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From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: Cute things they do, siblings
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Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:41:00 GMT

In article <21201@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes...
>This past weekend, my wife was out on Saturday night to a party at her
>boss' house where children are not welcome :( so I stayed home with
>the boys (Sean, 3 & Brendan, 6). I was getting Sean to do a little
>clean up in his room, when he just out of the blue threw a toy and
>hit me with it.  Being the patient, understanding soul that I am,
>I lost my temper and handed him the consequence of an immediate
>bath and bedtime with no stories (this is a consequence that both
>kids really *hate*, so presumably it's an effective deterrent).
>Well, when I was giving Sean a bath Brendan came into the bathroom.
>He knew what was going on and that Sean would get no stories.
>So, Brendan sat there next to the bathtub and *told* Sean two
>stories - very good ones too! I was very touched by this evidence
>of sibling loyalty. (It goes both directions too - Sean adores his
>big brother, though they do fight alot too.)
> 
My 4 year old son gets very upset when I discipline his 7 year old
sister. He comes over and scolds me, and wants to know why I am
angry with his sister. They also fight like cats and dogs, but
they stand united against the common enemy - parents. 8-)

                           Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mkrupit@vulture.verity.com (Mike Krupit)
Subject: Re: Parents Magazine confuses on circumcision
Reply-To: mkrupit@vulture.verity.com (Mike Krupit)
Organization: Verity, Inc.  1550 Plymouth Ave, Mt. View, CA 94043
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 23:08:48 GMT

Unfortunately, the News link at my company went down yesterday and
I lost most of the postings that followed up my original message.
If anything interesting happened, please forward to me.  Thanks.

Perhaps "Anti-Semitic" was a bit too strong and "offensive" was the
correct term - but then again maybe not.  Anyway, I'm glad that I was
not the only one who found that the "(Jewish)" term inserted into
Mr. Davis' posting was completely unnecessary.  I didn't mean to start
such a controversial thread (I should have known better), but I did
want an explanation or apology.

Now to return to my back seat...
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hyler@ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Subject: Re: Earrings 
Reply-To: hyler@ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:51:15 GMT

In article 18297@newstand.syr.edu, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>
>Well...as one whose mother and sister are pierced, and whose wife isn't, I
>can tell you that the default mode for earrings is pierced.  Every now and
>then you might be able to find clip ons in the same style as that nice
>pierced pair you saw in the store, but it's not really likely.
>
>Basically, if you want any kind of a choice in earrings, you've gotta go for
>pierced.  For some reason, clip ons, in earrings and in ties, just don't
>give you the wide choice that "the real things" do.

While it won't work for all earring types, you can buy a special
clip on adaptor for pierced earrings that allow you to convert them
to clip on.  Check out the jewelry stores in your mall, especially
the lower quality "accessory" type stores.  I have a friend who
inherited her mother-in-laws pierced earrings with the suggestion
that now is a good time to pierce her ears.  Well, she wanted none
of that and used these adaptors instead.

---
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Buffy Hyler (hyler@ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann)
Subject: Eliana and Infantile Spasms
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-15586]: caesar
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:58:08 GMT

   Since Eliana was diagnosed with Infantile spasms a month ago, a lot has
 been happening.

   Ellie has been treated with ACTH (a steroid) to try to stop the seizures.
 At first the seizures went fron ~30 a day to ~2-6 a day. Now they are
 increasing again and are close to what they were before treatment.
 We found out that ACTH is extremely fragile and it is not uncommon to
 get a "bad batch". The seizures did seem to increase after we refillled
 the prescription. The drud has some unpleasant side effects. ACTH lowers
 the immune system (last weeek Ellie had two ear infections, thrush,
 tonsilitis, diahrrea and a yeast infected diaper rash all at the same time.
 She miraculously missed chicken pox , which was going around.) The
 drug also makes people "puffy". Now when I take Ellie out people say
 "What a fine healthy (read "fat") baby."  If only they knew!!!

 Well, the main news is that Ellie has an appointment in California with the
 expert in Infantile Spasms. I spoke to one other mother whose son he
 treated and she had a very favourable outcame. The other option we are
 looking into is radical brain surgery, where they basically remove
 half of the brain.

  Ellie is getting PhysicaL occupational therapy and has learnt that
  she has a left hand!

  Best wishes, and thanks to all the great misc.kidders who have been
  wonderful (Patty Twig- thanks for the article- I lost your
  email address).

		 Jan Silbermann js@cs.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mryan@stsci.edu
Subject: Our cat died
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:09:15 GMT

I just found out that one of our cats, who became very ill this weekend,
died at the vet's office this morning.  I feel sad, and I know my 10-year-old
will mourn him too, but my 6-year-old son is going to be a basket case.
Two and a half years ago, when Andy was 4, one of our cats was hit by a 
car and died.  Andy cried about it every day for months, and it was almost 
impossible to get him to go to sleep at night.  He was so upset last night,
just knowing that the cat might die, that I had to let him sleep in my bed.  

Any suggestions on helping him deal with this are welcome.  We still have
two other cats and a dog, so I'm not planning to get another animal.  We
will bury the cat in the "kitty graveyard" in our backyard.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mary Ryan			mryan@stsci.edu
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Chicken Pox
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:50:26 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1993Jan6.165451.6371@webo.dg.com>, eal@dg.UUCP (Erik Lee) writes:
> My wife says that it is a common thing for parents to intentionally expose
> their children to chickenpox before they hit puberty, after which it can cause
> sterility, and, it sounds like, is just generally more serious. I'd never heard
> of anyone doing this, though i guess it sounds like it makes sense. Does
> anybody
> out there do this?

I've never heard of chickenpox causing sterility.  Mumps can in males,
but there's been a vaccine for that for quite some time.  But before
there was such a vaccine -- yes, my mother tried exposing me to mumps
when I was young.  I never caught it, and was vaccinated some years later.
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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: First birthday party ideas?
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:05:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan5.181724.8075@oracle.us.oracle.com>, shobart@us.oracle.com (Sarah Groves Hobart) writes...
>My son Christopher will be turning one year old on February 20.  We never had
>any kind of formal christening or welcome for him when he was born, and now I
>find I wish we had.  

>Christopher also has a godfather, and we'd like to simply but officially
>recognize him somehow.   I know the usual way to do that is at a
>christening, but we didn't have one.  Although we're not agnostic (both
>my husband and I were raised Christian), we also don't really do much with
>formal religion, so we don't belong to a religious organization, so a
>christening never happened.   Maybe we could have some kind of naming
>or welcome ceremony now, but what?   I hate to grab some minister we don't
>even know and ask them to sprinkle holy water over a one-year-old!
> 
>	2) Do you have any ideas on how to recognize a godfather other
>		than with a formal christening?
> 

First of all, how did he get a godfather without a formal 
christening?

My husband and I will be facing the same problem.  He's atheist 
and I'm agnostic.

Anyway, we would also like to have a christening ceremony of some 
sort, with participation by godparents.  

Any suggestions?

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz)
Subject: Castor Oil
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:40:54 GMT


Does anyone have any thoughts as to taking castor oil to bring on
labor??

Just curious about this.

Any information would be helpful.

Jan
From: lynn@elan.Elan.COM (Lynn Gazis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:09:43 GMT
Reply-To: lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis)
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

We read the constitution in my eighth grade social studies class.
I assumed that reading the constitution at some point was a
standard part of education.  It should be.  I also remember
at one point, on my own, memorizing the Bill of Rights.

Lynn Gazis-Sax
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Subject: Feeding Intensely Difficult for 2 mo old
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:36:48 GMT

Help!  Elizabeth suddenly has taken a turn for the very worse.  She
had a slight fever last week and was very fussy & demanding, never 
wanting to be put down, and eating poorly.  She's over the fever now,
but still will not sleep for more than a few minutes unless held,
lying next to me, etc.  She will eat 2 oz of formula and then 
start screaming and screaming, not taking any more formula, and
will only be placated by breastfeeding, which I don't make enough
milk to feed her all the time, and besides I have no life since I
breastfeed constantly.  Eventually she'll fall asleep but when I 
put her down, she wakes again soon and cries.  Putting her down
wide awake doesn't work.  She spits out her pacifier and cries.
It's even worse when my husband tries to feed her.  She screams
and screams and sobs until I pick her up to calm her down, and
then she'll let him feed her.  He has been very good with her and
she never has complained up until now.  I have no time for myself
at all.  I'm exhausted.

She goes to the ped. tomorrow.  The only clue I have is that
breastfeeding placates her where she refuses the bottle after
eagerly eating 2 oz...it's always the same amount.

Any clues?  I am about to go insane.  I am trying to go back to work
and it looks impossible at this rate...she'll starve!
-- 
Amy Moseley Rupp			Mother to Elizabeth AnneMarie,
amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com		born 11/4/92 
(512) 329-7117
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:11:11 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: citron.sw.stratus.com

In article <1993Jan11.194540.10227@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>  What are some general guidelines about how old a child has to
>  be and the period of time left alone?

There was an article about this in today's globe.  If memory serves
me (and it doesn't always...), the gist was that a general guidline
was that the child should be 12 or 13 before they should be left
alone, even for an hour or two.  Basically, this was because under
12 or 13 you couldn't be sure that the child would have a level
head in emergencies.  The article did state that kids differ on this,
and that some 8-year olds will be fine with this, but that most won't.
I believe they said kids should be about 15 or 16 before you even 
consider leaving them alone overnight.

Having said this, I'll admit that I've left my 10-year old (almost
11 actually) alone for an hour or two during the day when we're
going out to do errands.
From: vicki@mathcs.emory.edu (Vicki Powers)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pre-marital blood test
Date: 11 Jan 1993 11:30:30 -0500
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS
NNTP-Posting-Host: emory.mathcs.emory.edu

In article <1993Jan11.104802.6733@devvax.mincom.oz.au>, anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham) writes:
> 
> What is a pre-marital blood test? I've never heard of anything like that
> over here. What happens if you fail? :-)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm not sure if this is a serious question, but I'll give a serious answer...
I got married in Hawaii and was required by law to get a test for rubella
immunity (no blood test required for the hubby-to-be).  The rate of rubella
infection among children in Hawaii is quite low compared to the overall rate
in the U.S. and many women who grow up in Hawaii have no immunity.  If you are
not immune they tell you about the risks of catching rubella while pregnant
and recommend a vaccine.  You are not required to have a vaccine, however.
When we applied for our marriage license, I had to present proof that I had 
had the test.

  Vicki


-- 
Vicki  Powers       |  When a student reads in a math book that there are no
Emory University    |  absolutes, suddenly every value he's been taught is
Dept of Math and CS |  destroyed.  And the next thing you know, the student
Atlanta, GA 30322   |  turns to crime and drugs. - Mel Gabler
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Biting :-(
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:48:40 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Distribution: na
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

Toddlers bite toddlers all the time, right?  Well, this time it was
my son who was the biter :-(.  I'm not sure the daycare provider and
I handled it right.  Let's talk about it, so if there's a repeat, we
can handle it right this time.

(As someone recently mentioned, I think part of a parent's role is to
second guess yourself, and be full of self doubt as to whether you are
doing things "right".)

Brad (age 2 years 5 months) and Emily (same age) are best buddies.
They have grown up almost like twins, since Brad has been going to the
same daycare since he was 4 months old.  Brad tends to be the bossier
one, but Emi tends to provoke Brad.

They were sliding on the new Little Tykes slide gym in the other room,
when Emi started howling.  Jane thought Emi told her that Brad hit her,
but when she asked Brad if he hit Emi, he said No, he BIT her.  (At
least he's honest about it!)  Jane spanked him (only one of about three
spankings in his life!), made him apologize to Emi, and sent him to
bed for his nap.  Emi did NOT have to go to bed for her nap (they usually
nap together), but got to stay up for more cuddles and comforting.

When I got there (and Jane told me what had happened) I asked Brad what
happened.  He toldme he bit Emi, and he had to go Nite nite (I guess
the spanking didn't make as big an impression as being sent to bed.)
I emphasized that it was very bad to bite, that biting hurt people,
and he should never ever bite anyone again.  When we got home, I made
him tell Daddy what he had done that was bad.

Now, I'm wondering if I made too big a deal over it.  Should I have
just let Jane handle the incident, and not make a big deal over it?
 Does this "reward" the behavior with too much attention? How do you
draw the line between emphasizing that a certain behavior is very bad,
and should not be repeated, and "rewarding" the wrong sort of behavior
by paying too much attention to it? What if it happens again :-(? I
prefer to discipline with logical consequences - what is the logical
consequence for biting?

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: swslr@well.sf.ca.us (Larry Krone)
Subject: Re: Toilet training FAQ request, me too.
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:15:12 GMT

In article <melshinn.726860728@uclagsm> melshinn@agsm.ucla.edu (Maha El-Shinnawy) writes:
>kohrn@sumax.seattleu.edu (David or Corinne Kohrn) writes:
>
>>Add me to the list of people who would love a copy of this FAQ
>>			Thanks
>>			Corinne Kohrn
>>			kohrn@sumax.seattleu.edu
>
>ME TOO!
>
>Thanks,
>Maha.
>melshinn@agsm.ucla.edu


Please add me to this list...

Larry Krone
swslr@well.sf.ca.us
From: ck270@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrea Von Ahnen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: breast feeding
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:15:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


It is ideal to introduce the baby to a bottle when s/he's right
around 3 weeks of age, if you'll be wanting him to both breast
and bottle feed.  Since your milk will come in about 2 days 
after birth, I think introducing a bottle at 4 days after birth
wouldn't allow enough time for you and the baby to really get
the hang of breastfeeding, and many babies will refuse to nurse
if they've been offered a bottle too early because getting milk
from a bottle is easier for them and they don't want to work at
all to get milk from Mom's breast, wait for let down, and so on.
    
So, from experience I'd say introduce a bottle starting at 3
weeks, but don't wait longer.  You'll probably want to give
the baby a bottle somewhere between once a day and three times
a week, depending on your needs.  That should keep the baby
accustomed to the bottle, but not interfere with his developing
nursing expertise.
   
Andi   (Mom to Aaron, Alexander, and triplets due 3/93)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:16:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.195156.13979@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>>
>>This fits in with the thread though it's a new question ...
>>
>>I was impressed by the answer on dealing with Christmas trees and food
>>throwing.  So here's a hypothetical question -- what should you do if
>>are taking a shower and the toddler insists on wandering away, out of
>>sight?  Do you have to give in and take the shower when another parent
>>is there (then what if you're single?) or is there a way of
>>enforcing/ensuring that they stay in view?  
>>
>>
>My wife, when I am out of town, closes the door and gets her interested in some
>activity that can be done in the bathroom. Needless to say the shower is a
>quick one.
>
>
  Putting a step-stool (the bottom of the Fisher-Price 1-2-3 Potty) near
  the sink will do.  Turn on the water in a trickle and give him a cup
  and a spoon so he can play with water.  But only if you don't live in
  California since there's a drought there.  Here in NYC they don't even
  meter the water!

  When he was younger, he just hung onto the edge of the bathtub and
  watched as I explained which body parts I was washing, my hair, my
  chest, my arms, etc.
From: caroline@topaz.Stanford.EDU (Caroline Lambert)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: cute quote [6yr]
Date: 4 Jan 1993 06:33:57 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.stanford.edu

I have an almost 6 yr old daughter, Jocelyn, and an almost 4 yr old son,
James.

A friend came to visit recently and asked Jocelyn if we have a dog.
"No", she replied, "We have James".

--
Caroline Lambert  		caroline@stp.Stanford.EDU
Seismic Tomography Project      
Department of Geophysics, Stanford University
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Date: 5 Jan 93 01:54:47 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> sapphire@wings.micro.umn.edu (Theresa Jarosz Alberti) writes:
>I'm really interested in alternatives to spanking when dealing with
>children too young to understand reasoning.  My son and daughter are 17
>months old and they are starting to get into behaviors I'm not sure how
>to handle.  

>I "spanked" them for the first time (slapped their hands) when, after
>hours of "no touch!" from me concerning the Christmas tree lights, I came
>into the room and found them playing with the lights AND my son had them
>wrapped around his neck!  

You can't really expect 17 month old types to understand "no touch"
and keep it in mind.  In cases like this, removal of the offending
item (or offending child) and offering an alternative is the best you
can do.

>Another problem has been feeding time.  They've gotten into very
>purposefully throwing their food on the floor.  We say "no!" loud, louder
>and even louder, and they smile cunningly and drop the food slowly onto
>the floor.  We've gotten into spaking their hands for this and
>threatening to take them out of their high chairs.  

I'd stop threatening--and stop getting mad.   As soon as one of them
purposely throws food (accidents should still be permitted), say
quietly and firmly "dinner's over" and pick the child out of the
highchair, and end the meal.  The kid won't starve, and will quickly
learn that throwing food ends the meal.  Getting angry or louder won't
help, so you might as well not bother.

>What is most frustrating is that I do not want to slap them.  I want
>there to be a way to discipline my children without hitting, but I'm not
>sure what else to do.

Stay calm, and keep removing them from the situation that's the
problem.  Threatening doesn't do any good, because they don't
understand.  

>I can see when they're a little older I can use
>"time-outs" and simple cause-and-effect, but what to do with 17 month
>olds?

You can still use simple cause-and-effect with a 17 month old.
"Throwing food means dinner is over"   (no second chances, just end
the meal)  "Touching X means you play in the playpen"   "Tearing teh
book means i won't read the story"

Hope this helps!



--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
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From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Yet another solid foods question
Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:15:50 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1993Jan5.141306.11980@crd.ge.com>, millerj@belize.crd.ge.com 
(Julia K. Miller) writes:
 
> 	My understanding is that rice cereal is easier to water down.  You can
> make it about as thick as milk to start out if the baby doesn't eat from
> the spoon well and serve it from a bottle.  It also breaks down pretty fast.
> If Corey is dawdling when eating, it will be really soupy before we finish
> the bowl (~15 minutes).

That's interesting! This must vary from one mom to another. In our
experience, the rice cereal prepared with breastmilk just gets thicker 
and thicker. If Will doesn't finish the serving, Matt just sticks it 
back in the refrigerator for next time. (Although this goes against 
Dr. Spock's advice, our pediatrician says it really is okay to put 
the leftover food back in the fridge for later, even if you've 
'contaminated' it with the spoon you've been feeding the baby with.)

On the other hand, I hear that it's a real mistake to feed the baby
anything but milk or formula out of a bottle.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids