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From: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Subject: Re: Steel Demos
Reply-To: cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:08:17 GMT

In article <ewright.714844073@convex.convex.com>, ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
|> William de Corbie ("]ke Eldberg") writes:
|> 
|> >Instead, they get a couple of guys in baseball-look open helms, dirty
|> >gambesons, hockey gloves and various more or less incongruous bits of
|> >steel, padding and plastic. They get garden-hose edged shields, basket
|> >hilts, jeans and Nikes.
|> 
|> >I am not saying that there is anything wrong with this type of armor;
|> >not everyone can make or buy full milanese steel plate... 
|> 
|> So?  Everytime I see a commercial for Nikes, they seem to sell for
|> upwards of fifty bucks.  You can get a servicable pair of boots for
|> the same price.  Likewise, you certainly find some less noticeably
|> OOP pants for the same price as those jeans.  Hockey gloves and
|> garden-hose-edged shields seem to be popular in certain areas,
|> but not in others, so surely there must be satisfactory substitutes
|> there also.  
|> 
|> True, not everyone can afford the best-looking armor.  But that does
|> not excuse the worst abuses.  Surely there's a wide range of options 
|> in between. 
|> 
|> -- Nicholas van Leyden

Like to edge your shield with 'heater' hose (sounds to me like it was made
a-purpose) but don't like the look?  Here's a tip!  Glue (contact cement)
the unobtrusive fabric of your choice over the hose before lashing the
hose onto the shield.  One inexpensive option to buying brand new heater
hose is to keep an eye out for discarded washing machines.  Some have
hoses that are suitable.
Another option is to edge the shield with overlapping
'scales' of heavy leather.  Depending on the source of the leather, this
can prove expensive.  

Have trouble with paint flaking/chipping off the face of your shield?
Glue fabric over it and paint the fabric.  It may even be period.

From what I've been able to gather, period shields don't appear to have
been edged - at least not in any way analogous to ours.
Therefore the best we can do is opt for something that doesn't look
blatantly modern.

Some of the most aesthetically pleasing 'suits' of SCA armour I've seen 
have also been the simplest and least expensive ones.  
The key is consideration of how the thing looks and attention to detail. 
Even the finest suit of milanese plate can be spoiled
by the accumulation of makeshift repairs done with blue foam and strapping
tape.


Cheers,
Balderik
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Land Allocation
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:03:11 GMT

One weird sicko comment on land allocation this year.

The system worked pretty well for a complicated system being tried for the
first time.  Many of the faults of the system can be traced to people being
unused to it and to inefficient use of space, neither of which could be
avoided under the circumstances:  it was the first time with a new system.

I say:  tinker with the per-person space figure, but otherwise leave the
same system in place.

One modification:  require a deposit.  This year's system had a strong incentive
to over-report numbers for a camp.

Aryk Nusbacher
From: SHICOFF@unc.oit.unc.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pennsic weather
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:06:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

What "dismal, deary weather"!???  Perhaps it was before I
got there? (Tues. PM, war week).  I guess tastes vary greatly.
I prefer overcast, slightly cool, threathening-to-but-never-
quite-does-rain weather to hot & sunny (think about the
fighters, chirurgeons, & sunburn & sunglare on the populace
at large).  Not once was I chased to bed early by rain (any-
thing that happens between when I go to sleep (fairly late),
& when I wake up (always by 10
am), doesn't count).  Not once did I hear of fighting called
because of rain (happened last year).  Not once did I hear of
a fighting slipping & getting hurt on wet grass, fighting in
the morning (it could have happened, & I didn't hear about it).
I like misty cool nights (bitterly cold?!!! did you not bring
a cloak at all?  No one would share?), with bonfires glowing
like hundreds of fireflys...  I didn't get to bon-fire hop
much, but that was due to having punctured my right heel
Monday AM, week of the war, not due to lack of places to
sing.  And the Royalty provided us all something to laugh
about all week.  "How did the woods battle go?  Er, ah, I
mean the woods TOURNAMENT.."
I thought it was a good war.  But then, all our commanders
got sacked for having done their jobs TOO well....
Julitta
M.S.O.B.
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Subject: Re: Programming/eyeglasses
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:17:27

    >  [On the other hand, I've just gotten through having radial
       keratotomy, and don't wear glasses anymore. I'm sure that will screw
       up *somebody's* data....]

 JL> Then it actually works?  I've seen paid hype in newspapers about it, but
 JL> said advertisements never publish any references (which led me to believe 
 JL> that it was just a snake-oil remedy)...  Oh, to be able to live without
 JL> glasses or contacts!

 Yes, it works. It's expensive (current price in Dallas is $1200 per eye),
 but it WORKS! They've been doing it commercially for about 10-15 years
 now, they've got good survey statistics on it, and once the prices come
 down (as I expect them to do in the next four or five years) I suspect
 that it will explode in popularity. It cannot threaten your vision (unless
 you get an infection, of which there have been no recorded cases), and the
 worst that can possibly happen is that they overcorrect and make you
 farsighted (which they are *very* careful to avoid) -- which means you
 have to wear glasses (but, hey, you were wearing glasses already...). Some
 ophthalmologists will let you watch one being done beforehand; it's
 technically pretty straightforward, the one I watched timed out to under
 two minutes, and the guy was up and around and answering questions about
 it afterward. [Having done both in the same day, I can tell you that it is
 simpler and less unpleasant than getting a cavity filled.]

 About 20-30 people in my shop have had it done in the last three weeks. We
 haven't yet been able to figure out why our company's group insurer
 considers it a "covered procedure" - most insurance companies won't touch
 it, classifying it as "cosmetic" ["I can't see without a prosthesis, damn
 it! Is that what you call 'cosmetic'???"]  Everybody loves it, and only a
 few people will be needing "enhancements" to bring them within spec. There
 are techniques for both myopia and astigmatism - best candidates are in
 the 3 to 4 diopter range, but they can handle up to 8 or 9 (one doctor
 claims to have brought a girl with a 13 down to 20/20).

 My eyes were between 4 and 5, which meant that things went fuzzy at about
 12 inches distance. Of my group, I'm the least successful case so far,
 since my eyes don't seem to want to stabilize - I'm also the oldest, which
 may have something to do with it. I'll be getting enhanced in about a
 month, once they're sure my eyes have stabilized. But I don't wear specs
 any more, and it's great. I have peripheral vision. I can wear sunglasses.
 I can go to events and look Period. I can go swimming and still see. I can
 qualify with an M-16 while wearing a gas mask (hey, it's important to
 *me*....).

    Tadhg

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From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: almost live steel.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:54:40 GMT

I realize that everyone is concerned with emphasizing the need to
stick to rattan, but I'm kind of surprised that no-one has mentioned
costumes.  In my experience, two guys thumping each other with big
sticks is plenty impressive, as long as they are wearing cool armor
and a decent tabard.  Skill is not necessary, as long as you look
good.

By the way, I'd have to disagree with the person that says
choreographed live steel will never feel spontaneous.  I've been
involved in a staged martial arts demonstration tournament that
fooled people who had been doing it for three years.  All it 
takes is some imagination, lots of practice, and a trustworthy
partner.

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu

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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: A request for a bit of help
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 17:50:33 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!

> 	I am soon to join the noble ranks of the SCA.  I pose this question
> in hopes that one of you may be able to help.  What names are apropriate?
> This summer at a convention I used the name "Nikodemus" for my persona. 
> Would this be acceptable?

SCA names should be names taken from medieval history.  You shouldn't adopt
an entire name identical to that of some famous person from history or
literature (Richard Lionheart, Amadeus the Green of Savoy, Gandalf the
Grey); instead, you should pick a given name and some kind of byname that
were used in some time and place in medieval Europe or the surrounding
areas.  

"Nikodemus", if I remember correctly, is the name of a demon.  That's not
the kind of name we encourage, because we re-create medieval history.
Thus, your name ought to be a name appropriate for a medieval human being,
at some time and in some place.  (If my recollection is wrong, and
"Nikodemus" is in fact a medieval human name, then it is completely proper
for use in the SCA.)

If you'd like some help choosing an SCA name, please feel free to drop me a
line.  

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: bwilson@eng.auburn.edu (Brian Scott Wilson)
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Reply-To: bwilson@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:37:24 GMT


Don't talk about Covington cross so bad, all thier actors and some
of their costumes came from Cristopher columbus- the discovery.

and what was that collar they were waering anyway?

Sir Brian
Meridies
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From: akilgour@thinkage.on.ca (Anita Kilgour)
Subject: Re: Carolus goes to Toronto...
Keywords:  Tanith has a GOOD giggle.
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:23:03 GMT

In article <92Aug26.194406.28765@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>BTW, those who refer to it as a screaming death chicken often
>find their helmets filled with live mealworms...

Milord, thank you.

I have just spent the last 5 minutes laughing, chuckling, and generally 
giggling myself silly over the idea of a "screaming death chicken"...
In fact, I am unable to say this with a straight face.  

A truly lovely concept.  And my sympathies for having your device so 
nicknamed. I can see it (unfortunately) sticking...

A servant to the dream...

Tanith
mka Anita

-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
anata o miru tsumori desu. (Japanese: Be seeing you...)
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From: betel@camelot.bradley.edu (Robert Crawford)
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:59:15 GMT

ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:

>I can't agree with you about the costumes, either.
>-- Nicholas van Leyden

	OK, I'll qualify my statement a bit -- "compared to what some
people think of as garb..."

--
"Let's crap in our hands and throw it at people."
        --- Crow, during "Time of the Apes"

Robert Crawford				betel@camelot.bradley.edu
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From: cassie@worf.nas.nasa.gov (Cassandra L. Baldassano)
Subject: Re: Good Costuming Book
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:44:36 GMT
Reply-To: cassie@worf.nas.nasa.gov (Cassandra L. Baldassano)

In article <u906451.714902149@bruny>, u906451@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Agamemnon) writes:
|> Greetings unto all of the Rialto from Gunnar Njalsson,
|> 
|> I have noticed over the last few days that there has been a
|> lot of good gentiles asking about costuming books.
|> A very well used one in our shire's possesion, is by an author
|> called K.S.Holkeboer _Patterns for Theatrical Costumes_ which
|> is printed by Prentice Hall Press. Sorry no isbn number.
|> The book covers the following topics (not a complete list I am
|> going by memory)
|> 
|> Egyptian
|> Roman
|> Byzantine
|> 11th century
|> 12th century
|> 13th century
|> 14th century
|> 15th century
|> 16th century
|> 17th century
|> 
|> The book actually goes upto the 19th century but the time frames i mentioned
|> above are spill into periods of early,mid and late after the 11th century
|> stuff. This is not a very complex book but it is good for choosing your
|> first set of garb. I forgot to mention that the topic sections are split 
|> into female and male, with patterns beside illustrations.
|> 
|> Fare thee well,
|> Gunnar
|> Shire of Ynys Fawr
|> Principality of Lochac, West
|> 

It is my understanding that this book may be out of print, can anyone
confirm or deny this?

Euriol of Lothian
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From: thorntn@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Duncan Peter G. Thornton)
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: COVINGTON CROSS)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:53:45 GMT

In <1992Aug28.161143.12741@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:

>Alright, so Dances with Robin Hood wasn't the greatest remake of the legend,
>but I have to say something in defense of Kevin Costner who gets beat up
>far too much for his lack of accent.

>[...] Costner honestly hounded the producers for a dialect coach, and actually
>had one during the beginning of the film. This coach was taken away as the
>filming got delayed and started coming in over budget. Remember too, these
>are the same producers who hired Sean Connery for about a minute and a half's
>worth of screen time. Ah Hollywood. You gotta love it.

Okay, I know Costner's a nice, sincere guy, who wants to make good
films - but his dissatisfaction with the situation just underlines
the validity of complaints about the accent, whether it was primarily
his fault or his producers.

>BTW, my usage of "you" throughout this missive was not directed at the
>posters quoted above exclusively, but all who find it necessary to openly
>criticize something they think they understand better than the people doing
>it.

By this logic, as a non-actor, I should never criticize anyone's
acting.  As a non-carpenter I should never criticize any carpenter's
craftsmanship - even if they make a chair that breaks when I sit in it
I don't think anyone is saying it would have been _easy_ for Costner
or the Americans in CC to do a good job on their accents - but they're
actors: doing the hard work of getting an accent right is their job,
and when someone doesn't do their job, it's legitimate to criticize.
(Although I take your point about producers; it's the makers of CC
who should really be embarassed; they either didn't provide the 
resources - in terms of time and teachers - that their actors needed,
or didn't insist on hiring competent actors.).

- Corwhyn of Lincoln


Duncan Thornton          | When an idea is too weak to stand the test of simple
thorntn.@ccu.umanitoba.ca| expression, it should be dropped. - Vauvenargues
From: guth@unixg.ubc.ca (Geoff Guth)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Carmina Burana CD
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:31:04 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

I have the opportunity to acquire a CD called "Carmina Burana, Vol I"
(NOT the Orff version) with transcriptions by Thomas Binkley with the
Studio der Fru"hen Musik; conducted by Thomas Binkley.

That's all the info I have on the recording.  If anyone out there has
it, I would appreciate their opinions on whether it is a good buy, or
whether I should save my money for something else....

Thanks in advance!

Richard.

-- 

|Geoff Guth                          |Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni |
|Richard Britnell de Salisbury (sca) |     in rebus latinis alacribus et      |
|guth@unixg.ubc.ca                   |        fructuosis potiri potes!        |
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From: sherman@trln.lib.unc.EDU ("Dennis R. Sherman")
Subject: Frequently Asked Questions list available
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:27:51 GMT

Greeting to the Rialto from Robyyan.

As I expect with the beginning of fall terms at schools all over we
are likely to see many newcomers to the Rialto, I'm going to repeat my
regular beginning-of-the-month reminder at least weekly for the next
several weeks: 

There is a Frequently Asked Questions list available, providing
answers to those FAQs, and a posting style guide.

To get your very own copy, you can

1.  Wait for the middle of the month, when I will post the entire thing.
2.  Retrieve the list via FTP from one of the following sites:
		site		  filename
	meadow.stanford.edu	pub/faq.txt
	rainbow.cse.nau.edu	sca/rialto.info
	bransle.ucs.mun.ca	pub/sca/rialto_faq
3.  Request a copy from me via email.
4.  Retrieve the FAQ from news.answers, or any site with news.answers
    archives.

If you have suggestions for things to include in the FAQ, or opinions
to offer on anything that is already there, please mail me - I may not
see a suggestion buried in a posting to the Rialto. I respond to all
comments I receive, and occasionally summarize to the Rialto if it
seems appropriate. 

*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
* Robyyan Torr d'Elandris  Kapellenberg, Windmaster's Hill  Atlantia *
*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
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* dennis_sherman@unc.edu       Univ. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill *
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From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: consort gender
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 13:13:36 EDT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

halls@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott Hall) writes:

> I think that same sex consorts might be considered under the ruling as swasti
>
> and pentagrams.  All three apperantly happened in period, but the support of
> which could hurt the SCA.

oh really?  the sca publically admitting that it has icky icky fags and dykes
in it is too dangerous to do?  lovely.  luckily, some of us icky icky ones are
too damned obvious to be swept under the rug.

homophobia again rears its ugly head.  *bleah*

                                           -ailsa
                                            (Walburga refrains from comment,
                                            which probably proves her good
                                            sense)

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                    ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
 I wish her insight to battle love's blindness            ________
 Strength from the milk of human kindness         Silence \      / Action
 A safe place for all the pieces that scattered      =     \    /    =
 Learn to pretend there's more than love           Death    \  /    Life
                                  that matters               \/
From: clns@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tim Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Wanted: Medieval Music
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:26:29 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)


Gentles:

At Pennsic I had the pleasure of joining the musicians for the dancing
in the barn once or twice.  In doing so I saw two books of medieval
dance music, one blue and one yellow, which are apparently sold by a
member of the SCA.  I am dying to get my hands on copies of these --
if anyone could tell me where I can order them from, or even whom to
talk to, I would be vastly obliged!  (Any other sources of music
within the SCA would also be appreciated.)

Please email me a response.  If someone else would like the info, 
also email me.  If I get lots of requests, I will post whatever
information I receive.  

your servant,

Aeridian Longfellow, Barony of Thescorre, East Kingdom

(Mundanely, Tim Collins)
--
-------------------------------------
Tim Collins
Dept of Physics and Astronomy
University of Rochester
From: greg@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Hossein Ali Qomi (mka Gregory F. Rose))
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: A couple of requests and something to think about.
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:07:14 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.sca
Organization: The Rialto

Unto the good gentles of the Rialto does Hossein Ali Qomi send greetings
and prayers for the blessings of Allah.

Dagonell recently posted:

>Secondly, a local fighter has decided on a motto for his household and would
>like the phrase, "But she told me she was eighteen!" translated into Latin.
>I know it's tasteless, but maybe he'll get tired of it in a couple of months.
>Can anyone help with this?

Shame on you, Dagonell.  If the bounder wants to chase jailbait with a
literate tag, he should have to do it the old fashioned way: years of
training in classical and medieval Latin.  It was good enough for old
farts like us, it's good enough for him...:-)

No shortcuts for well-educated decadence!

Hossein/Greg
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From: amy@lloyd.Camex.COM (Amy Lindsay)
Subject: Re: Edward Zifran of Gendy (was Re: Pennsic Land Allotment)
Organization: Camex Inc., Boston MA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:56:26 EDT

In article <1992Aug30.023751.23049@panix.com> ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes) writes:
>	According to his lady, he hates the name 'Eddy', at Pennsic, she
>was referring to him as 'Rapid Edward' (but you didn't hear that from me!)

Most of the folks I know simply call him "Ed."  We met one of his old, old,
OLD (not necessarily physically) friends at Pennsic who said at one time
there had been a "the bastard" some where between the "Edward" and the
"Gendy" but he got pulled away (by Edward) before he could explain further.

As for the earlier post of the "Viscount" times four, etc.  I think one of
the "Sirs" listed was supposed to be a "Baron."  I believe he's a court
baron.  I guess he's really taking the phrase "totally excellent" to new
limits...
					--rill
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