From: duane@thismoment.EBay.Sun.COM (Duane Day)
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.american
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: SCIA (A violation of net guidelines)
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:00:57 GMT
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In article <1992Apr10.232037.21973@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.152545.10314@cirrus.com>, venu@cirrus.com (Venu Nayar) writes:
>> In <1992Apr10.002542.24216@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com
>> (alok.vijayvargia) writes: 
>> 
>> >Violation here is in posting the second RFD for SCIA before six months
>> >have expired.
>> 
>> How is this a violation of the guidelines, as they stand? Post the
>> guidelines, Alok, and dont make these unsubstantiated statements.
>
>There can be only 2 cases (Clause 5, last section per se guidelines):

Actually, a third possibility readily springs to mind:

>A) The vote passed: There is no need to have a new RFD at all. (My position
>as well those of some others)

>B) The vote failed: New RFD should not be posted before six months from 
>the close of the last vote (Dec 12, 1991 + 6 months = June 12, 1992).

(C) No valid vote ever took place

Does it strike anyone else here as supremely ironic that Alok now appears
to promote a several-month delay in real implementation of the newsgroup
which he or she previously championed so heatedly?  What is most important
here, the propagation of a fully-functional SCIA or the continuation of
Alok's apparently futile efforts to convince the net at large (or anyone
in particular) that there was nothing improper about the first SCIA vote?
Does Alok truly prefer having the first vote declared a *failure* (and 
thus having SCIA be rmgrouped until mid-July) over having the first vote 
declared *invalid* (thus clearing the way for this issue to be resolved
as soon as possible in a new, presumably untainted vote?)

>Guidelines do not say anything about invalidating of any vote.

>(This is not an option until the guidelines are updated to include this
>situation and some criterion be set for conducting RFD/CFV in such cases).

>Until that is done:

>My proposal is to conduct a straw poll among the net users
>(news.groups, soc.culture.indian.american and soc.culture.indian)
>to establish this one way or the other (Passed or Failed).

>If 2/3 people voting believe that vote 'failed',
>I will send a message to David Lawrence indicating that the vote
>'failed' and that a new RFD/CFV will be conducted after June 19.

This is hilarious!  An analogy:

"Hmm, this manual doesn't say how to deal with a flood.  It does discuss
tornadoes and earthquakes, though, so let's take a vote as to whether
this flood is a tornado or an earthquake."  :-)

(One wonders in passing why the "failed" verdict would require a 2/3
majority.)

For the benefit of my Indian-American friends who presumably want SCIA
to exist as a legitimate part of USENET, I hope that Alok Vijayvargia's
actions and continued self-justifications don't result in a large
backlash vote against the creation of the newsgroup.  I intend to vote
yes if and when an actual vote takes place, and I hope that most voters
will vote on the basis of the perceived merit of the group being proposed, 
rather than on the perceived merit (or lack thereof) of the group's most
visible proponent.

Sheesh - and to think I only logged on to check on the progress of
rec.music.enya...  :-) :-) :-)

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