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From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:11:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: polisci.serb.358
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota

In article <C1F94E.9Ip@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:

>  I think what's happening is that you're getting out of it MORE
>  than what the writers originally put in.  The "meaning" of the
>  content is coming from inside your, kind of like a video Rorshach
>  (sp?) test.

But isn't there value in that?  Doesn't the writing have to be somewhat 
inspired in order to motivate the kinds of discussions and ideas people have 
when they see these shows?  I'm a big theater fan, and I find that 
"simplistic" plays seem sometimes to be the most interesting because they 
rely on the intelligence/thoughtfulness of the spectator to make them 
complete.  I don't think anyone says that drama can REPLACE scientific and 
philosophical analyses, but it can sometimes take abstract views and put 
them in a daily life situation.  I agree it's up to us to react and 
participate intelligently; many ST:NG and Simpsons viewers probably don't do 
that.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: UFO Genius.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 20:18:12 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: UFO Genius. 
  I have just come up with a cure for some of you people that have the 
audacity to question my veracity. We're going to do to you what the space 
people did to a janitor. Here's what they did;...A stupid janitor was turned 
into a brainy mathematics genius after he waa given brain surgery by UFO 
aliens!
 Maintenance man Anatoly Popov, 27, was reportedly abducted by space aliens 
while returning home from work at a large food-processing plant in Odessa, 
Russia. 
 Authorities became alarmed after Popov failed to come home to his wife, 
Irina, and their 10-month-old son. He was officially listed as a missing 
person five  days later when no traces of him were found. 
  Police initially suspected foul play, although they could find no motive for 
anyone wanting to harm the janitor, who had a sixth-grade education.
  The shocking truth about what really happened was revealed 13 days later 
when Anatoly was returned to Earth by the UFO aliens.  He was beamed back to 
the factory gates of his workplace at precisely 6 a.m. to start work. 
Stunned co-workers report that Anatoly's uniform appeared especially clean 
and he had a "special glow" on his face. 
  But the biggest shock of all came when he started talking  and suddenly 
sounded like Albeert Einstein instead of a simple clean-up man.
  "Anatoly was like a whole new person," says factory foremen Boris Spednesky. 
 "He spoke very eloquently like a college professor. I asked him where he'd 
been and he said he had visited the outer reaches of the universe with 
beings far more advanced than humans. 
  "He said they abducted him from outside the factory and took him to a 
beautiful planet where he was treated very  well. Alien doctors examined him 
and performed some super-advanced treatments on his brain."
 Anatoly's new genius IQ was demonstrated within minutes after his return when 
the plant's generators failed, endangering millions of dollares of frozen 
food.  
  "It was an emergency that could have been devastating to the company." says 
foreman Spednesky. "But Anatoly told me he could fix the problem, and he 
started sputtering off some complicated mathematical equations.
 "I couldn't understand the mathematics, of course, but within 45 minutes he 
got the plant back to normal operation."
 Anatoly has since been examined by doctors at the Russian Institute of Health 
who have confirmed that he is now a genius. After taking brain scans and EKG 
tests, experts concluded that his mind was altered by the UFO aliens. 
  "In effect, he had a brain transplant and is now the only human being to 
have the brain of a far more intelligent species," says Dr. Rudolf Teslan. 
Source of Information: 26-Sun-December 22, 21992.
JW speaking. What do you think of that? 
John Winston.
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From: luden@lehigh.edu (Dean E. Nelson)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: UFO Genius.
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:49:28 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University Computing Center

In article <74027@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:

>Subject: UFO Genius. 
>
> (touching story deleted)
>
>JW speaking. What do you think of that? 

I've got high hopes
I've got hiiiigh hopes
High in the skyyyy 
Apple pie hopes...


Dean Nelson  den0@lehigh.edu
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From: jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Paranormal
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:59:05 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <74195@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>  There  are many things that still have never been explained and people just 
>continue to sweep them under the rug. One of them is spontaneous human 
>combustion. If you ever figure out what causes that one let me know.

The book "The Fringes of Reason" has a pretty good chapter on spontaneous
combustion.  The basic conclusion was (body fat) + (cloth) + (spark) = (candle),
i.e. a dead person with a lit cigarette lying on a rug would keep smoldering
until all of their body fat was consumed, so that when they were discovered
later there would just be a pile of ashes on a burnt carpet.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:45:46 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People: Someone asked for more information about becoming a Genius
by being worked on by the people in the UFOs. That's all the information
that has come my way at the present time. If I get more information
I'll try to pass it on to you.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: press2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barry.o.olson)
Subject: Re: I'm back.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:36:08 GMT
Followup-To: alt.hoops.jersey

In article <C16yA0.308@world.std.com>, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
> In article <73949@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> >Dear Everbody: I just got back on the Net. It's sort of like the sign
> >they had out in front of the psychic's convention that said, "Cancelled
> >due to unforseen difficulties. I'll catch up with you people later.
> >John Winston.
> 
> Oh no, he forgot to close the quote marks!  That means that everything
> I'm typing here is actually part of what the sign said!  Waah!  I feel
> my copyright to this text slipping away!
> 
Thanks alot. the law of quotes stipulates that you must end the
starting quote with an ending quote without skipping a line.
notice how you skipped a line and placed the end quote on your
K sig. as i was reading, i got trapped in between the quotes
and was forced to write this. please be careful out there.
now your K should catch me 'cause i'm not going to leave a blank
line- 
> 					-- K."
> 
> P.S.  Hi, sillm.
> 


Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Subject: fourth dimension
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:17:47 GMT

Hi people

I've been reading some of the above posts about fourth dimensional reality, 
and I get the feeling that you're taking something quite commensensical and 
turning it into something convulted.  This is dangerous, I think, because by 
talking in terms of spirituality and rising to another dimension it risks 
becoming rather arrogant.

First of all: the fourth dimension is time

Second of all: what is described seems to me to be more a process of empathy 
development and self-actualization.  I think it is natural in this 
dimension (though I think we probably are multi-dimensional even as we live 
in this dimension) to empathize with others and explore different concepts 
as a way of expanding words into tapestries of thought.  Gee, now I'm 
getting rather convuluted.  Sorry.

In other words, why must we take something that admittedly does seem out of 
place in our CULTURE -- empathy, understanding, a sensed spiritual 
connection to others, etc. -- and define that as a different DIMENSION?  To 
me, it is a sign that our culture has taught us to ignore other aspects of 
ourselves and focus on material objects and our own ego.  We learn to ignore 
our abilities to empathize and communicate at non-verbal levels, and we 
dismiss feelings of connectedness to others out of a cultural need to be 
independent.  It sounds like the posters of the 4th dimension stuff (and 
other new age religions) are growing out of those cultural limitations and 
learning their true potentials.  That's great.  But because it's so 
different from that which our culture calls normal, they feel a need to put 
it on some other level, label it with something spiritual or metaphysical.  
That seems to me to be unnecessary, and perhaps dangerous.  One, it makes it 
more difficult to try to translate these ideas to people totally focused 
into western culture -- they dismiss ideas as mumbo jumbo.  Second, as a 
result, people with such ideas form their own sub-culture, seeing themselves 
as somehow more advanced that most average people.  And finally, the 
language moves away from self-discovery and empathy/connectedness to things 
like dimensions and planes, thereby underempahsizing the power any 
individual has to expand her/his own concepts and ideas.  It's not that I 
disagree with the spirit of what has been posted, but the use of terms and 
concepts to label it strikes me as perhaps flawed.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth!

peace,
Scott (U. of Minnesota)
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From: glenda.stocks@pcohio.wariat.org (Glenda Stocks) 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Cause of it.
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: PC-OHIO BBS - Cleveland, OH - 216-381-3320
Reply-To: glenda.stocks@pcohio.wariat.org (Glenda Stocks) 

..John_-_winston@cup.portal................................................
.Source of Material; Star Wards, by Richard Miller.                       .
.  This is me JW speaking now. I'm about ready for them to make themselves.
.know, aren't you?                                                        .
...........................................................................

some of the same players are mentioned by RA in his book.  The
federation, the law of non-interference, the council on Saturn, and the
bad guys from Orion.

Makes ya think, eh?

Glenda
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Don't Worry Be Happy.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 07:30:31 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People Great and Small:  I believe the expression Don't Worry 
Be Happy comes from Hawaii and the native people over there say it 
all the time. Welcome to Mr. Sarfatti to this group. I can't say that 
I fully comprehend what you are trying to say just as I don't understand
Kibo but I defend your right to say it. Be sure and wear your asbestos
underwear.
John Winston
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Paranormal
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:27:13 GMT

mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath) writes:
: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles) writes in part:
: |> In article <74195@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
: |> |> [...]
: |> |>   There  are many things that still have never been explained and people just 
: |> |> continue to sweep them under the rug.  [...]
: |> |> [...]                               One of them is spontaneous human 
: |> |> combustion. If you ever figure out what causes that one let me know.

A considerable amount of investigation has been done (I think there
was a resulting show on the BBC).  They couldn't find a single
"spontaneous" case.  The fires were caused by cigarettes, heaters,
candles, etc.  The same things that cause other household fires.

: |> You can't study something whose very existence
: |> you can't even verify.
: 
: Well, actually folklorists do it all the time.

Well, not really.  They can and do verify the existence of the legends
being studied.  They occasionally try to trace a particular legend to
an actual incident, but the stories themselves are what's being
studied.  It doesn't matter much whether the stories are true or not,
or even if the subjects believe the stories.  What's interesting is
the way the legends travel and evolve/adapt to cultural changes.

: And the analogy is HIGHLY relevant: folk beliefs and stories have
: meanings, purposes, and existance that has nothing at all to do with
: claims of "scientific" or "rational" existence.

There are people who study paranormal beliefs (as opposed to the
supposed phenomena).  While acknowledging that there is no factual
basis for astrology, you can do some interesting work on why people
want it to work and why they think it does work.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  Uh-oh!!  I'm having TOO
Rosemount Inc.                                |MUCH FUN!!
                                              |
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: John Paul II on Reincarnation
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:03:35 GMT
Distribution: talk.religion.newage
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX


In article <1993Jan21.231836.14225@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>Gerry Palo (gpalo@digi.lonestar.org) wrote:
>
>: Christians, fundamental and otherwise, have not come in large numbers to
>: the idea of repeated earth lives, and most regard it as heretical.  There
>
>It is interesting to note that several early church fathers believed (and
>espoused) the idea of reincarnation.  It was, if I remember correctly, the
>Council of Nicea that declared Origen (and possibly others) "anathema" for
>their beliefs in reincarnation and the preexistence of the soul.
>-- 

Here is a story that you might enjoy.  A few years ago I attended a meeting
of members of the Anthroposophical Society in Ann Arbor to visit with a
Polish astronomer and one of the leaders of the Anthroposophical Society in 
Poland. This was just after Poland broke away from the USSR, and the
Society could finally be officially founded there.  The astronomer, Konrad
Rudnicki of the U. of Cracow, told us that as a young man Woitila had
been an actor in a dramatic company founded by one of Rudolf Steiner's
followers and which based its dramatic techniques on Steiner's indications.
As a matter of course they studied the basic ideas of Anthroposophy,
including those of karma and reincarnation.  This was before he became
a priest.

After Woitila became Pope he would return to Cracow occasionally for an 
academic conference, just to meet with old friends and talk Polish in a 
relaxed atmosphere. Either Rudnicki or a fellow anthroposophist was invited 
to one of these meetings.  He was too timid to ask what the Pope thought
about anthroposophy, but he did bring up the topic of reincarnation.
Now, the Pope is a very subtle and skilled politician, and he gave a
proper but very interesting answer.  Instead of giving his opinion, he
sad something like, "Yes, this is interesting.  It is not a teaching of 
the Church, but many good Catholics have believed in reincarnation." And 
he proceded to give a long list of names, from the early Church Fathers 
up to modern times.  Then he changed the subject.

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@aplo1)
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANITY AND NEWAGE
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:18:36 GMT

Gerry Palo (gpalo@digi.lonestar.org) wrote:

: Christians, fundamental and otherwise, have not come in large numbers to
: the idea of repeated earth lives, and most regard it as heretical.  There

It is interesting to note that several early church fathers believed (and
espoused) the idea of reincarnation.  It was, if I remember correctly, the
Council of Nicea that declared Origen (and possibly others) "anathema" for
their beliefs in reincarnation and the preexistence of the soul.
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177
1935 will go down in history.  For the first time, a civilized nation has
full gun registration.  Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future.  --Adolf Hitler
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: PREPARING FOR THE CHA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:15:14 GMT

Glenda Stocks (glenda.stocks@pcohio.wariat.org) wrote:

: I just wana repeat, that I, in no way, meant that I would commit
: suicide, when the Earth shift comes.  I agree with you that suicide will
: wreck your afterlife experience.  What I was saying, was that I would
: prefer to perish in the catastrophe, and do some work in the afterlife.
: I should have added, that the reason I prefer this for myself, is that I
: have no survival skills, and dont think I would be of much use to other
: folks if I survive.  On the other hand, in the afterlife, I could
: prepare myself well for a return to incarnation later, in which I would
: hope to gain much growth and be very helpful to other souls in the earth
: plane.

I, on the other hand, have survival skills, and would consider myself more of
an asset here in the physical world than in the non-physical.  But, like Richard
Bach said, I'm still here, and I suppose I will be until my mission is done -
and I think we all will do the same.  If you are still here after a catastrophe,
you obviously haven't finished your mission here.
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177
1935 will go down in history.  For the first time, a civilized nation has
full gun registration.  Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future.  --Adolf Hitler
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: sveinn@bgots.dec.com (Svein Nordrum)
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS
Reply-To: sveinn@bgots.dec.com (Svein Nordrum)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:21:12 GMT



>One such perfect Master alive today is an American, Sri 
>Harold Klemp, the Living "Eck" Master or "Mahanta" for the 
>"Eckankar" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis,

>Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored 
>by Sri Paul Twitchell or Sri Harold Klemp, can be found in 
>most public and university libraries and some book stores, or 
>obtained thru inter-library loan.

What happened to Sri Darwin Gross (sp?) ?
After Twitchell died, he was the next so called "living perfect master".
But for some reason or another he had to leave the Eckankar org.,
he also sued the organization after this.., and his name is never mentioned
anymore.
So either the so called "living perfect master" is not that perfect,
or the Eckankar org. itself isn't..
Anybody who has any more info about what happened to mr.Gross ?

-Svein 
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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Don Allen
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:13:57 GMT

Chip Salzenberg (chip@tct.com) wrote:

: The fact remains that you publicly posted that the Protocols were, and
: I quote, ``DAMN specific'' about who were the people responsible for
: various and sundry bad things in the world.  That statement could only
: come from a person who considered the Protocols to be real.

I thought that "Protocols" was long ago proven to be a fantasy cooked up by the
Nazis to justify mistreatment of Jews before and during WWII - or has this
dead horse surfaced yet again?

I've deleted Don's manic rantings, as they weren't adding anything to the
discussion.
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"It is your resistance to 'what is' that causes your suffering."   -- Buddha
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us (Kalki Dasa)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Appropriate news groups (was: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 02:47:30 EST
Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA

jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles) writes:

> The major problem is not inappropriate subjects (which will die
> out if they really aren't of common interest).  The real problem
> is cross-posting.

So, why was this article cross-posted to four different newsgroups,
then?

Sincerely,
Kalki Dasa

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From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: I'm back.
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:28:28 GMT

In article <MHILL.93Jan21222508@spot.us.oracle.com> mhill@spot.us.oracle.com (Mark Hill) writes:
> X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
> +             at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
> +             of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.
>
>Thank you.

How do I know it's really you?
						-- K.