HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: praetzel@marconi.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:16:25 GMT

Well in a local case.  There was no trial; there was nothing.  We just had
one guy show up at the weekly training ride but he is not doing bike racing
this year (only bi's, tri's).  He had the right of way (no stop sign) and
did a left had turn.  The car (with a stop sign) proceeded straight thru
the intersection and plowed into him.  Because the took the bike off the
road and cleanup up the scene there was no evidence for the cop.  Of course
by the time he got to the hospital they discovered that his neck was broken
and after the hospital stay it was too late to press charges.  The driver
got off completely scot free.
  As has been pointed out by John, this is the most dangers and one of the
more common accidents.  This is not the first case of it I have run across
and only yesterday I had a car pass me and then cut me off to execute a
right hand turn (I was in the thru lane and the car saw no reason to use the
right turn lane until it passed me - go figure)
  So make sure that if you are in a crash that you lay on the pavement and
stay there until the ambulance comes.  Make sure that a friend ensures that
charges are pressed within the day or the next at the latest.  Preferably
they can have a camera and get pictures of the accident scene (these will
not be admissable in court unless they are taken after the accident with the
scene untouched).
  - Eric 
// So this is how it feels to be lonely,  this is how it feels to be small,
//  this is how it feels when your world means nothing at all.
From: aaronson@wk113.nas.nasa.gov (Philip G. Aaronson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ESPN & TDF -Sour Grapes Y/N
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:26:32 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center

In article <16190373@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, pej@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Phil Jensen) writes:
|> In rec.bicycles, kchu@romulus.rutgers.edu (Kyle Trott Chu) writes:
|> > 
|> > First of all, let me applaude ESPN's actually TDF shows.
|> > It shows they can do a good job with cycling
|> > 
|> > Has anyone been watching ESPN's Sports Center nightly wrap ups of
|> > the days and yesterday's events????
|> > 
|> > In the last few days, I've noticed a certain caviler attitude
|> > with two of the announcers...
|> > 
|> They did exactly the same thing with the America's Cup. Same guys.
|> Hey, face it, if it warn't played in high school, it must be one of 
|> them commie pinko sports. Unfortunately, a lot of "sports fans" in
|> America would agree with them.

You make a good point about people not playing it in high school. I
think most people don't understand what is going on in the tour, 
don't know any of the personalities and have never been to any of the 
places the tour goes through ... the bottom line is, you can either
laugh at or insult the unknown.

One neat thing (I think, aside from the cycling itself of course) about 
the tour is that it is a sport of the masses. Funny but unlike the 
Superbowl or the World Series where only 2% or so of the tickets ever
get sold to the general public and then at outrageous prices (and 
altitudes), the Tour de France (and other road races) doesn't even seem
to have tickets! My God, no tickets, how un-American. Find a stretch of
road and enjoy!

So the next time a friend of yours makes the comment that he/she given 
a motorcycle could crush "that skinny dude in the yellow shirt." (sound
familiar?) just ask how much those screaming yelling fans who look like
they are having a great time, PAID to see this event. Then ask how much 
a family of 4 would PAY to have the same amount of fun at a ballgame 
and watch that witty motorcycle smile fade from their face.

Just my thoughts,
Red
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: repair kits
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:24:16 GMT

Steve Nichols writes:

> Anyway, I wonder what tools other rec.bicyclists carry on tours (or on
> everyday rides for that matter)?  Is there any tool I haven't listed that
> you believe is essential?

I have used this list for many years and it has not failed me.  What you
put in your patch kit is not detailed but you should probably have a boot
for major holes in a tire casing.  Dollar bills are the old story but most
any piece of cloth is better than paper and a piece of tire casing is best.

Bicycle Tour Checklist.
-----------------------

CLOTHING:
Cycling shorts (2)
Cycling jersey (2)
Socks (2pr)
Undershorts
Undershirts
Cycling shoes
Helmet
Sweater
Cold weather gloves
Slacks and shirt
Rain cape or waterproof parka shell
Sun glasses
Cycling cap (for sunburn protection)

MECHANICAL:
Spare tire and tube
Patch kit
Tire irons
Spokes w. nipples (2 of each length)
Spoke wrench
Freewheel remover for your specific freewheel
Cone wrenches (pair)
T-wrench, L-wrench for derailleurs etc.
Chain tool
Screwdriver (pencil size)
Rear axle

SUNDRIES:
Money (cash and travelers checks)
Camera (and accessories)
Film for entire trip
Maps
Address book
Pen
Passport (if necessary)
Matches (or lighter)
Salve, sun lotion, chap stick
Pocket calculator (for currency computations)
Tooth brush
Nail clipper
Comb
Shaver
Can opener
Pocket Knife
Spoon
Tape, white adhesive or duct tape
Plastic produce bags (4+)

TOOLS required to assemble bike at point of departure
Crank extractor
Crank bolt wrench
Spare crank bolt (in case one breaks on assembly)

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

.......................................................................

Item Subject: tour
Bicycle Tour Checklist.
-----------------------

CLOTHING:
Cycling shorts (2)
Cycling jersey (2)
Socks (2pr)
Undershorts
Undershirts
Cycling shoes
Helmet
Sweater
Cold weather gloves
Slacks and shirt
Rain cape or waterproof parka shell
Sun glasses
Cycling cap (for sunburn protection)

MECHANICAL:
Spare tire and tube
Patch kit
Tire irons
Spokes w. nipples (2 of each length)
Spoke wrench
Freewheel remover for your specific freewheel
Cone wrenches (pair)
T-wrench, L-wrench for derailleurs etc.
Chain tool
Screwdriver (pencil size)
Rear axle

SUNDRIES:
Money (cash and travelers checks)
Camera (and accessories)
Film for entire trip
Maps
Address book
Pen
Passport (if necessary)
Matches (or lighter)
Salve, sun lotion, chap stick
Pocket calculator (for currency computations)
Tooth brush
Nail clipper
Comb
Shaver
Can opener
Pocket Knife
Spoon
Tape, white adhesive or duct tape
Plastic produce bags (4+)

TOOLS required to assemble bike at point of departure
Crank extractor
Crank bolt wrench
Spare crank bolt (in case one breaks on assembly)
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: nunchuckers (Was: Re: Amazing Stories)
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:59:01 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article CBA@fulcrum.bt.co.uk, rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
>In article <rpj.712545659@fir> tp923021@fir.canberra.edu.au (Ben Elliston) writes:
>>him .. armed with bloody nunchuckers!  "My God!", I thought!
>
>Ummmm, what's a nunchucker?
>

Western slang for Nunchaka's, a martial arts weapon made famous by Bruce Lee that
consists of 2 billy clubs connected at their ends by a chain. Also slang'ed as 
"nunchucks".

>Up 'til then I was fascinated, but I think the punchline's in Aussie...
>
>Translate for a limey...
>
>============================================================================
>Richard Taylor                 DoD #981               (rct@fulcrum.bt.co.uk)
>"Gentlemen, starta your engines... 2 minutes, to the hills." Massimo Laverda
>============================================================================
>Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Fordrough Lane, Birmingham, B9 5LD, ENGLAND.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: TdF on ESPN
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:28:16 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


-- 

barry tomkins strikes again. according to him, marie never won a stage in tdf.
well, except of a prologue (two, actually). what about someone named therry
marie who rode 220km(?) alone last year? not in barry's book.

how can they take such first class feed from antenne 2 and ruin it?
i find that i developed a perverse curiosity about barry's antiques -
that vitriolic about chiapucci stopping for pizza and indurain developing
taste for anchovies was one of the best. can he top this one in the next
three days?

aaron
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@hplomg.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:38:23 GMT

Colin DeWolfe writes:

> Actually L'Alpe D'Huez is pronounced lalp-uh-do-EZ.  At least this is
> how the people in the town itself call it. (also in Bourg d'Oisans, Huez
> itself and Grenoble)

Of course you must mean Alpe d'Huez and yes, you must check with the locals
because with names pronunciation does not follow rules.  In that region there
is a river and a mountain pass called Vars in which none of the letters is
silent and it is pronounced as it would be in English.  There are many other
names that don't follow rules for one reason or another.  Italy is full of
them and often they are not written with the accent so the proper inflection
is not obvious.  I think the most conspicuous of these is Cu'neo and South
Tyrol known as Alto A'dige in which the accent is seldom if ever shown.

So remember to say Grig Lemmon when talking of our TdF winner in Europe or
they may not know of whom you speak.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18091 sci.med:14251
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:49:17 EDT
From: <EWN1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med
Subject: Re: Hand numbness after extended cycling

In article <1992Jul21.211806.21416@cs.ubc.ca>, croehrig@cs.ubc.ca (Chris
Roehrig) says:
>
>I went on a 290 km (180 mi) cycle-camping tour on the weekend, and now,
>two days later, the ring and pinky fingers on my left hand are still
>slightly numb and I'm still experiencing weakness in my whole hand.
>The doctor says it's the same nerve that gets hit when you wack your
>funny bone, and that the feeling will return in a week to 10 days.
>But what about the power?   I can't fret a barre chord on my guitar anymore!
>

I am not a doctor, but numbness and tingling in your ring and little
finger can be caused by ulnar nerve compression in the heel of your
hand as well as by ulnar nerve compression in your elbow.  I don't
bicycle, but I suspect that the pressure of the handlebars on the
heel of your hand might cause the nerve problem.  Do you wear bicycling
gloves?  Those are supposed to help protect your palms, I think.

*************************************************************************
 Ellen Newman                     | You can name your own salary here --
 LCS - Library Computing Services | I call mine Fred.
 ewn1@psuvm.psu.edu               |       - taken from a Ziggy cartoon
 ************************************************************************
From: eugene@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Eugene Taskovich)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:29:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Climbs in TdF/Milk Race
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

Hopefully this might answer some questions.  I pulled these numbers off 
a map: Michelin #244, Rhone-Alpes.  I didn't know the exact tour route, 
so I took a guess.  Since the distance came out close, I feel I wasn't 
too far off.  The actual climbing distance can be off since the map 
does not show every hill, just the passes and the elevations of the 
larger towns.  Also, on the numbers for the last descent, about the last 
third the distance looks like it was at the bottom of a valley, so the 
drop was much faster.

Eugene Taskovich
email: eugene@hpscdc.scd.hp.com

Tour de France: Stage 14,  Sestriere  -  l'Alpe-d'Huez
============================================================================
Point on Route	      Distance	Delta   Altitude  Altitude   Average
				 Dist.	 	  Gain/Loss   Grade	
			 (km)	 (km)      (m)	    (m)	    (calculated)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sestriere		   0	   0	  2033	      0
Cesana Torinse		  11	  11	  1344	   -689      6.3% 
Col de Montgenevre	  20	   9	  1850	    506      5.6%
Briancon		  32	  12	  1321	   -529
Villeneuve		  40.5	   8.5	  1452	    131
le Monetier-les-Bains	  46.5	   6	  1470	     18
le Pont-de-l'Alpe	  53.5	   7	  1720	    250
Col du Lautaret**	  60	   6.5	  2058	    338      5.2% (#)
Col du Galibier*	  67.5	   7.5	  2646	    588      7.8% (#)
							  1929 ft. in 4.7 mi. 
Valloire		  84.5	  17	  1430	  -1216      7.2%
Col du Telegraphe	  89.5	   5	  1566	    136
St. Michel-de-Maurienne	 101	  11.5	   712	   -854      7.4%
St. Jean-de-Maurienne	 115	  14	   546	   -166
A vista point on map	 124	   9	   944	    398      4.4% (#)
St. Sorlin d'Arves	 137	  13	  1508	    564      4.3% (#)
Col de La Croix-de-Fer*	 144.5	   7.5	  2068	    560      7.5% (#)
							  1837 ft. in 4.7 mi.
Bottom of descent	 167.5    23	   711	  -1357      5.9%
le Bourg-d'Oisans	 180.5	  13	   719	      8	
l'Alpe-d'Huez*		 190.5	  10	  1860	   1141	    11.4% (#)
							  3742 ft. in 6.2 mi.

Total climbing (approx.): 4636 m   (15,212 ft.)
Distance (approx.):       190.5 km (118.3 mi.)

*  Major climbs
** Intermediate pass (a saddle?) at intersection with another road.
(#) Grades up the main climbs.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark )
Subject: Re: Bicycle Racks
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:18:40 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Jul21.215733.23952@rice.edu> cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes:
>
>I have never seen a bike rack that I thought would work well with a
>bike with no kickstand, unless you feel that your paint job would be
>improved (or at least not harmed) by removing large chunks of it.
>

Wow, I guess for a change this place is blessed with something really
good for cyclists.  The metal-pipe loops that someone mentioned earlier
(looks like an inverted U) are very prolific around here, but we have a
twist not mentioned before:  Ours are rubber coated!  No one ever 
scratches their frame on one of these (unless they do it with their lock).

If anyone wants a source or description of these things, I'm sure someone
(maybe even me) could come up with a source.  I'm sure they're relatively
cheap, but whoever was installing them would have to shell out some cash,
since they have to be installed in cement.

Ken
From: lisap@olomana.soest.hawaii.edu (Lisa Petersen)
Subject: re: Alpe d'Huez stats
Originator: lisap@olomana
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:31:52 GMT

A couple of people have asked for details about l'Alpe d'Huez...

The distance from Bourg d'Oisans to the center of the Alpe d'Huez
village is 13 km, but the first 1 km or so is flat.  From the
base of the climb it's 12 km and about 1150 meters for an average
grade of slightly less than 10%.  Steven Rooks won the stage the
year I was there (1988) and he did the climb in about 45 minutes.

Lisa Petersen

From: kruemp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John Kruempelstaedter)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:14:24 GMT
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

/ hpcc01:rec.bicycles / MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) /  5:31 am  Jul 27, 1992 /
I watched the finals of the Women's Road Race yesterday and....arrghh! Is
*everything* going to be this bad? It's the MTV-ing of sport. All we see
are selected highlights (selected by someone who is completely ignorant
of cycling), set to pointless music. And then instead of more cycling...an
Eric Clapton music video????? Hey, Eric is my #1 guitar hero, and the
guy who inspired me to play back in '68, but I don't want to see Clapton
videos in my cycling coverage any more than I want to hear cycling commentary
on my Cream records.
 
I mainly like to watch the sports I enjoy participating in- which for me means
cycling, boating and shooting sports. I can just see them trying to set the
100-yard free pistol match to disco music...
 
          --mike
----------
I think John Tesch does a good job with what he has to work with.  But,
did you catch some of the Gymnastics stuck in there.  The camera was
zoomed in and doing the flips with the athletes.... I thought I
was going to get sick.

John K.
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Signalling right turns
Summary: What is the legally recognized right turn signal in your province/state
Keywords: hand signals, traffic law, cycling
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:47:02 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

There is a push in this province (Alberta) to change the right turn hand signal
from one done with the left hand pointing upward with the arm bent at the elbow 
to a right turn hand signal done with the right hand pointed straight out to 
the right.  I would like to know which is the legally recognized right turn 
hand signal in your area.
 
Robert M. Lewis
Dept. of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
From: idelson@bms.com (Ira Idelson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: UG vs. HG chain...
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:02:10 GMT
Reply-To: idelson@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI

In article 3623@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP, jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis) writes:


>	If UG and HG are not compatible, then why does his bike work?  And if
>his bike works, then can I use my UG chain with my new HG-equipped wheels?
>Maybe it's just that with a non-HG chain, the FULL advantages of HG can not
>be used, but it will still work.  My friend's bike shifts as quickly and as
>accurately as any other bike I have seen.

The first time I replaced tha chain on my Miyata my local bike shop sold me a UG chain
and said that it would work with HG. Well, it did. I had no problems with shifting ease or accuracy. I'm not sure about the difference between the 2 chains is.

However just put it on and ride your bike!

>Thanks! 

Your welcome.

Ira Idelson
idelson@idg02.bms.com                                       
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: markd@cup.hp.com (Mark_Donohoe)
Subject: Re: MTB  Where to ride in the Lake Tahoe area?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:07:56 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

fattire@vnet.ibm.com (BJ Hargrave) writes:
: I will be in the Lake Tahoe area for the week of Aug 24 and want to do
: some mountain biking while I am there. Any ideas on some cool trails to
: ride out there? The more single track, the better.
: 
: You can reply either to me directly or post to rec.bicycles.
: 
Tahoe is a BIG area.  Here are some pointers anyway.

N. Tahoe, stop in at the Olympic Bike shop in Tahoe City, pick up the guide
by (Bill Cushman?)...he used to work at the store (maybe still does).

If you have a car, there are TONS of places to ride in the N. Forest, guides 
for these as well, (Both N. and S. Tahoe)....If you go, be sure to have
a topo and be careful on solo rides, some of the areas are not traveled much
and getting yourself out, if alone, could be real hard.  There are now 
published topos that go with some of the guides and have the trails described
in the guides on the map...they look pretty good, I may even spring for a few.

PLEASE DO NOT RIDE IN A WILDERNESS AREA(S), we have enough problems with access
as it is.

Hope that helps. Have a good time.
-- 
Mark Donohoe (markd@cup.hp.com)

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Subject: Re: Painting bikes
Reply-To: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:45:34 GMT

	I borrowed a bike last month because mine was being repaired and took a rather
nasty fall in some big rocks. Needless to say, the bike got banged up
pretty badly. Feeling 
guilty about this, I franticlly ran about town to match the paint with
factory touch up. To 
make a long story short, In desperation, I called an auto body supply
house that matched 
the paint perfectly and put it in a spray can. I sanded, primed and
painted the places I 
F%#*ed up, and if I had'nt told my freind, I dont think he could have
told the difference.
I think this would work equally well for painting the whole bike.


		Rich Petty
	Utah...the mountain bike mecca
Organization: Junior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:44:51 -0400 
From: Donald Jackson Pickett <dp32+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: More '93 stuff



May be old news, but I heard that:

* XT, XC-Pro, and XC-Comp are all going to be eight speed next year.
* There will be 105 STI.

Take that,
Don
---
dp32@andrew.cmu.edu                     Gregory Peck/Hunter Thompson in '92. 
"We have bad news for you - Hell just froze over."
         - excerpt of a recent letter from home.
From: asiivo@cs.joensuu.fi (Antti Siivonen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tunturi Bikes
Date: 20 Jul 92 17:06:19 GMT
Organization: University of Joensuu

ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough) writes:

>I have recently purchased a bike named Tunturi and understand that it is
>manufactured by a Swedish company that makes stationary bikes. My question
>is - Does anyone else own one of these? I think in all its not a bad bike
>but it just misses the mark.

	No, it's a Finnish product. Btw. the name means "mountain". Also 
	Nopsa comes from the same factory. 
-- 

		Andreas - Siperian Sirri   Siberian Stint
      Drusba ? Absurd !               ;     Edom mode    
      E, Roma ? Amore !               ;     Devil lived
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: loucks@isrc.sandia.gov (Cliff Loucks)
Subject: Re: Aluminum's Lifespan
Organization: Sandia National Labs, Org. 1600, Albq., NM
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:24:56 GMT

From article <1992Jul29.155018.5588@oracle.pnl.gov>, by d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker):
> Gary Klein does (used to?) warranty his frames for a million
> miles.

My Klein B1 Road, now called the Team Super, will be 15 years old this
season.  The original warranty was lifetime on the frame and 10 years
on the bottom bracket bearings.  Since then I believe I've seen the
warranty specified something like lifetime or 100,000 miles which ever
comes first?  I don't recall for sure.  At any rate, between commuting
and racing over the years, I estimate that I'm pushing around 70,000
miles on mine.  It's still going strong.  I am getting a new frame this
year, but only because a friend is building me a custom Columbus Max
frame for the price of the materials.

So, from here on out, I guess I'll make it a policy to get a new
frame every 15 years, whether I need one or not :-).

Cliff

-- 

Cliff Loucks  <=>  loucks@isrc.sandia.gov
Sandia National Labs, Albuquerque, New Mexico
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tour de France:  Andy Hampsten?
Date: 22 Jul 1992 21:53:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

In article <1992Jul21.011720.23757@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson) writes:
>> mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) writes:
>
>   [concerning Andy Hampsten's stage win]
>>Does everyone on this network also know that he did it while
>>recovering from a bout of bronchitus? 

Andy's had trouble with upper-respiratory stuff for many years.

Wonder how he'd do if he was completely healthy?...








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