From: mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (rini)
Subject: Re: My School's Sleaziest Scoundrel
Reply-To: mec6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:49:42 GMT

abbst@vms.cis.pitt.edu (Al) writes:
>mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (rini) writes:
>>Listen.  I have no problem with friends giving friends advice
>
>This guy is no "friend".  Just think about this for a moment.  What type
>of "friend" TELLS you not to go to bed with someone and THEN when you
>exercise your free will, decided that "you must go" -- that you are history
>as a friend.

Let me restate what I've been saying.  You added lude and rude comments
to this guy's post at the part where he offered *advice*.  By doing that,
you suggested that giving advice is stupid.  I don't believe it is.
Futhermore, maybe this guy isn't making the best decisions.  Fine.  Let's
talk about them.  But no, you just go into some tirade about the size
of his dick.  

As a side note, I have had friends who not followed my advice and gone
on paths that I thought were stupid (like drugs). Sure, it's their life.  
But it can make me pretty pissed off at them for having so little, what
I consider, *self-respect*.  And, yes, evil slob that I am, I have even
let those friends drift away, 'cause I couldn't take it anymore.  I know
it's bad, and I feel guilty about it.  But please spare me from your
ad hominems.  It doesn't help shit.

>That's what that posting says.  But you got so "involved" with what I wrote
>that you can't see it.  The original posting is about control.  Control of
>women by men.  It subtle, but it's there.

Fine.  I'll accept your point.  I never disputed it.  But I still see no
justification for your pure ad hominem attack.  I think you're behavior
was pretty near inexcusable.

>It was designed to make women see red.  

Well it must have failed, because apparently the only one who saw red 
was you.  I didn't.   

But I suppose I should be thankful to you for "defending us poor
helpless women" against posts that are designed to offend us...
Is that it?  Boy, that's sure ironic.

>I just gave the bozo who posted it
>"what for".  If you think that this is a case of a "friend giving a friend
>advice", you don't know what "advice" really is.

Oh, I suppose you were really helping out this guy by calling him a
pussy?

>Personally, I think it was planned to inflame women.  I don't think for
>a moment that any of it really happened.  I think that they guy who wrote
>it is laughing his ass off -- sorry bastard that he is.  At least, let's
>hope that is the case.  If they guy is for real, he's one screwed up puppy.

I personally found your ad hominem much less beleivable that the
original post.  That's when I said, "flame bait"???

>But let's look at the issue that this clown raised, though I'm sure that
>wasn't his intention:  When a friend goes "down the wrong path", what do you
>do?  Do you stick with them even though they are making a mistake?
>You bet you do!  Does this guy?  No way!  If you don't do what he says,
>he dumps you.  You have to beg for his friendship.

Yeah, it's not very nice, I agree.   It's not ideal.  If you raised a 
POINT in your original post, maybe we would be talking about THAT,
instead of how rude you are.
 
>Al

rini