HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Pres Bush is Coming to Penn State
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:26:41 GMT

In article <Bv5oG1.HHr@agora.rain.com> robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton) writes:
$In article <92265.182619FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>   Fred Rozenblad writes:
$> I have a cum exam and 2 midterms this week so I'm afraid anything
$> I hear will second hand news (radio, newspaper TV and friends).
$
$  How often do you get your cum examined?
$

Twice daily.


-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
	"Arresk the Presidink!"
				-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: Party Registration
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:48:41 GMT

mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
>>In Ohio, you just walk in the polling place, sign your name in a register,
>>and tell them whether you want to vote in the Republican or Democratic
>>booth. Maybe selecting one at this point is a de facto registration,
>>but you can change the next time around with no paperwork.
>>
>Here in the UK, we find this absurd. Political parties are
>private organisations, if you want to join one fine, send your
>fees off to its headquarters, sign whatever it is you have to
>sign to join it, pay whatever fees they ask.
>
>Elections, however are secret. Surely the idea of a polling
>booth for the different parties goes against the very idea of a
>secret ballot, it's more like the old USSR. 

Remember, I'm talking about the primary election only; in the general
election in November, there are not separate booths for each party. As 
you say, the parties themselves are private entities. So isn't a party 
within its rights to exclude non-members in the selection of its 
standard-bearer? Membership in one party or the other is a little nebulous 
in most cases in the US though.

>          If anyone can walk in off the streets and be signed
>up as a member of a political party, able to decide who its
>candidates are and what is to be in its platform, what is to
>protect a party from being taken over by people opposed to all
>it stands for?

Nothing, at least in Ohio. I verified with the local Board of Elections that
a voter may vote in either the Democratic or Republican primary by
declaring a preference on the spot. Since only 15% of registered voters
bother to participate in a typical primary, an organized cross-over
campaign could cause some mischief. The other party would probably catch
wind of it though, and step up efforts to get out the vote.

---
Joe Knapp     jmk@cbvox.att.com
From: jlohrmann@igc.apc.org
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:14 PDT
Subject: The Latest, Best Campaign Feed
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1640500023:000:2137
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jlohrmann    Sep 30 23:14:00 1992


From: <jlohrmann>
Subject: The Latest, Best Campaign Feed


Due to modified circumstances the latest and best feed of information
direct from political campaigns appears to be through the following
source:

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Party Registration
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:11:14 GMT

Simple question:

Often people will say "I'm a registered Republican" or Democrat, Independent,
whatever.

But I can't remember ever registering as the member of a party. I'm looking
at the Ohio voter registration form right now and nowhere is there any 
question about party affiliation. 

So how do all these people "register?" 

---
Joe Knapp    jmk@cbvox.att.com
From: bmasel@igc.apc.org (Ben Masel)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: HEMPing CLINTON/GORE in Madison
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:38:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1640500024:000:939
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!bmasel    Oct  1 18:38:00 1992


We took a hemp parade to the Clinton/Gore appearance at the
Wisconsin State Capitol today. Handed out almost 1,000 copies of
the flyer I posted to this group yesterday. Lots of signs. Thom
put "HEMP for VICTORY" in clinton's face before he left. "1 ACRE
OF HEMP = 20 BARRELS OF OIL" on local ABC & CBS stations. Watch
for it tonite on the National? One reporter told me there had been
a HEMP presence at about half the appearances since the Democrat
Convention. Mentioned a town meeting in Virginia where Gore
answered a hemp question "We're against drugs." I had a tangle
with Secret Service agents who told me i could'nt stand by
enterance to one of the press busses handing out leaflets. He said
"We own the streets." "I pay taxes here. I'm exercising my First
Amendment Rights!" His partner grabbed my ponytail, tried to throw
me to the ground. Shook him off. Madison police intervened, let me
continue leafleting til bus left.  Whew.
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From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:03:58 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mti.sgi.com

Simon E. Booth) writes:
|> 
|> What I am upset about is the way abortion is sometimes used as a method
|> of birth control.
|> 
|> You've got to admit, there some hypocrisy on the part of some pro-choice
|> promoters- they say abortion is ok, then talk about the "tragedy" of the
|> death penalty.
|> 
I assume that the alternate hypocrisy, pro-life and pro-death penalty is 
also unexplainable?  The difference of course is that the pro-life person
believes both are murder where as the pro-choice person only believes
that the death penalty is murder.

Consequently the pro-choice person is at least morally consistent.

-- 
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my dog's,
occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
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From: asper@time.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:59:38 GMT
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO

In article <1992Sep30.171722.8335@seas.gwu.edu> korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman) writes:
>
>What is this obsession with "bending over"???
>
Apparently you have never seen those Turkish prison movies on SpectraVision.

:-)

Alan
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Subject: Re: Party Registration
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:10:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.151114.13701@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>Simple question:
>
>Often people will say "I'm a registered Republican" or Democrat, Independent,
>whatever.
>
>But I can't remember ever registering as the member of a party. I'm looking
>at the Ohio voter registration form right now and nowhere is there any 
>question about party affiliation. 
>
>So how do all these people "register?" 

Same here in New Jersey.  It must be this way because the constitution
does not mention any parties.  It can't, especially since there have
been times when there were >2 major parties, and heck, the Democrats
and Republicans haven't always been around either.

In fact, the government isn't really required to host each party's
primaries.  It's done as a courtesy.  But anyway...

You can register your affilliation with one party or another with your
elections board.  Call your Town/City/County Clerk's office for more
information.  In New Jersey you must do this at least 50 days before
you receive any of the voting benefits of being in that party.  I have
postcards to register affiliation in New Jersey.

I believe that in some places you can register or change your
affiliation when you vote in a regular election.  I don't think you can
do this at the primaries and then vote in the party's primary right
then (it's not 50 days prior to the primary).

Benefits:

1- Permission to vote in that party's primary.

2- Candidates can request lists of registered voters and their
addresses and (if the voter submitted theirs) phone numbers, and party
affiliation.

So, registering lets you partake in that party's primaries and lets
candidates be forewarned before they mail/phone you.

Of course, all this may be different in your state, but New Jersey has
pretty average voting rules.

Tom

-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)
"I like Bill Clinton tremendously.  I know him from the governors' conferences.
The Democrats nominated their best person, a very able fellow.  The country is
well served by that choice." -Bush's re-election chair in NJ (Thomas Kean)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: aboufadel@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (ABOUFADEL,E)
Subject: Bush's "Agenda" -- where's my copy?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Bush
Organization: Southern Connecticut State University - Computer Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:30:00 GMT

	It has been three weeks now since I called up that 800 number to
order Bush's "Agenda for American Renewal", and I still haven't received it.
Have other people on the net experienced this?

	I guess it was naive of me to assume that ordering this important
piece of work would be like ordering from Lands End.  It only takes Lands
End four days to send me what I order.

Ed Aboufadel
Southern Connecticut State University 

Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM (Fil Feit)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Bob Dornan on Bill Clinton - Important
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:57:53 GMT
Reply-To: filfeit@rael.Tymnet.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article 21253@andromeda.rutgers.edu, detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:
>
>     Rep. Bob Dornan has been speaking on C-Span in the House
>live concerning Bill Clinton and his anti-war, anti-Vietnam
>protests during his college days.
>
>    Most specificly, in 1970, Bill Clinton was invited to go
>to Moscow to be part of the so called "Peace Movement".  During
>this time period, an American in the former Soviet Union had to
>be invited by the Communist govt., and they had to have prior
>knowledge or provide instruction on where he may travel along
>with what he may say while in the former Soviet Union.
>
IMPORTANT! 

Bob Dornan is a noted GOP loonie who has decided that every day
until election day he is going to get up and speak out against
Bill Clinton, making sure that it all goes into the Congressional
Record, which you and I, ladies and gentlemen, pay for,

Dornan has said, in a Washington Post interview, that Clinton has
a "50-50 chance of winning, and that thought makes me sick".

He has placed then entire Geniffer Flowers tapes into the Cong. Rec.

He has stated for the record that Clinton was manipulated by the
KGB while he was in the USSR (btw, a LOT of students travelled to
the USSR.  It could be a unique educational experience.  That's why
people go to school).  He also stated, in an interview, that he has
no basis for those claims, but "it's possible".

Dornan should be ignored.  More important people are talking.  Like
Dan Quayle.

--f2

----------------------------------
  "A plague on both their houses".
  --either Mercutio or George Bush's last words; I can't remember which
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Bob Dornan on Bill Clinton - Important
Organization: Clark University
Date: 4 OCT 92 20:38:42 GMT


In a previous article, detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) wrote:
> 
>    Most specificly, in 1970, Bill Clinton was invited to go
>to Moscow to be part of the so called "Peace Movement".  During
>this time period, an American in the former Soviet Union had to
>be invited by the Communist govt., and they had to have prior
>knowledge or provide instruction on where he may travel along
>with what he may say while in the former Soviet Union.
> 
>     This is the same Bill Clinton who, while at Oxford, sought
>information on either obtaining dual citizenship or obtaining
>British citizenship.
> 
Have you received any more information on this? I'm skeptical because
this is coming up so late in the election, though it would seem relevant.
It might be likely that these "facts" are taken out of context.

-				|   "Don't torture yourself, Gomez.
Bart "Webb" Tilney		|    That's my job."
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu	|    			- Morticia Addams
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: Mr Bush or Pres. Bush?
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:23:28 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

born@scepter.raleigh.ibm.com (Christopher J. Born) writes:
: Mr.  Bush or President Bush?  About 3-4 weeks ago in US News and 
: World Report's Washington Wispers column reported that the 
: Clinton campaign was putting out the word that they wanted to 
: stop referring to Bush as President Bush and start referring to 
: him as Mr. Bush, to help diminish his stature.  Supposedly, the 
: media has come on board with this.  Has anybody noticed this 
: usage (blatantly) by the media?
: 
: If this is true, it is real sneaky!

I haven't paid close enough attention to the exact wordings in different 
stories presented by the national news media, but I have noticed that the
local CBS affiliate here (WCIA) refers to the candidates as "Governor
Clinton," "Billionare Ross Perot," "Dr. Marrou," (yes, he has come up
in a few local news stories) and "Candidate Bush."
--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92



Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
From: aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: 1-800-BEND-OVER
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:17:04 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: holodeck.csd.sgi.com

bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) said..
>Dave Sill (de5@ORNL.GOV) writes:
>| He only wants to hear the good news.  Where's the number for Perot supporter
>| who *don't* want him to run to call?  Unless nobody bothers to call the
>| support hotline, Perot will have a mandate to enter the race, and no real
>| measure of what the majority of his supporters want.
>
>  Knock it off.
>
>  That post is a good example of how the campaign has been going so far.
>  The Democrats and Republicans talk about everything but the real 
>  problems of the country.  

Actually, Dave had a good point.  I am/was one of Ross Perot's volunteers,
and I signed a petition to get his name on the ballot here in California.
However, I feel that if he re-enters the race, it will help George Bush;
and may even throw the election to the House of Representatives.  
Furthermore, I have read all of the position papers, speeches, fact
sheets, etc. put out by the various campaigns, including the platforms
of both parties, George Bush's "Agenda for American Renewal", Bill 
Clinton's "Plan for Economic Recovery", Perot's "United we Stand", and 
more than 200 others;  and I feel that Bill Clinton's economic plan is 
superior both in terms of political viability and in the proposals 
themselves.

So, speaking as one of Ross Perot's volunteers, I feel he should stay
active in the campaign and do everything he can to focus attention on
the various economic proposals, but NOT enter as a candidate and run
"all out".  To my horror, when I called the 800 number to say exactly
that, I found that merely by calling I had been automatically "counted" 
as support.

Allan
By the way, if anyone wants copies of the position papers, etc., just
let me know and I'll email you a list of what's available.
-- 
Allan Schaffer                        It's Tuesday September 22, 1992 -- 
aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com         time for the Presidential Debate.
aschaffe@netcom.com                   Do you know where your President is?
For a free copy of Bill Clinton's economic recovery plan, call 1-800-272-9763.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis)
Subject: Re: Protest Vote '92  (Was: Don't waste your vote on Bush or Clinton)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:17:16 GMT

In article <1759@rwing.UUCP>,
pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>>Gun control is not a panacea, however the assertion that a proliferation of
>>guns will reduce killing is equally misguided.
>
>Perhaps the availability of guns has NO effect on the level of killing?
>If that is the case, or if availability of guns has even a slight reducing
>effect, it would seem that gun control would be the LAST thing one would
>want to do (if reducing crime and violence is the goal, that is).
>
>Gun control has a LOUSY success record.  Perhaps its time for some OTHER
>approach.  Thugs are less apt to attack someone if they know that that
>someone probably is able to repel the attack.  In places like Wa DC, NYC
>and such, they have a virtual GUARANTEE that the targeted victim lacks the
>means to effectively repel the attack.  Hell, they come down harder on the
>original victim (now called vigilante for daring to protect his/her self)
>than on the original perpretator (that poor, misunderstood victim of
>society is the PC terminology, I believe).  I know I sound cynical, but
>I get frustrated at the same old stuff over and over and over again.
>The 'solution' Mayor Dinkins gave to a stabbing of a tennis fan on the
>subway a couple of years ago was more gun control!!!!

I'm inclined to think that calls for gun control are just excuses to
ignore the hard problems that make people pick up guns.  If we
really don't want people to use guns, the answer is not to try to
keep people from getting them because they *will* get them just as
people who want to use drugs *will* get drugs in spite of the WOD.

Instead we should be asking *why* are people using guns and try to
do something about those underlying problems.  You don't sure the
disease by temporarily alleviating the symptoms.  That's an ok
approach for the common cold because you know that in time it will
pass.  It's not an ok approach for dealing with systemic violence
which is shredding the fabric of society.

/June
From: "lois laulicht" <lois.laulicht@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: a new way to reduce t
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:51:56 EST
Reply-To: "lois laulicht" <lois.laulicht@channel1.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

     Newsgroup: alt.politics.elections

        Subject: A NEW WAY TO REDUCE THE PUBLIC DEBT


>We can do it legally by having an INTENTIONAL HIGH INFLATION RATE !

EG>Methinks Weimar Germany tried this.  They got Hitler.
EG>(We'll get Perot... kidding!)

Not funny unless funny is imagining a BIG fence from coast to
coast just for Clinton to straddle as in International Treaty!

-lois
---
  DeLuxe/386 1.25 #10184  Watch the polls change now that Perot is back!
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: fagin@coos.dartmouth.edu (Barry S. Fagin)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.activism,alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Libernet: A libertarian/classical-liberal forum
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:48:13 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: fagin@coos.dartmouth.edu

This is an announcement for Libernet, posted every couple of months
or so to the Usenet politics newsgroups.

***
Members of the network community should know about Libernet,
a mailing-list/discussion group.  Libernet is intended to be a
real-world, high-quality forum for libertarians, classical liberals, and others
interested in applying the philosophy of liberty to tough
policy questions. 

Libernet is for anyone interested in good discussion and provocative ideas, 
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Libernet is available in two subscription modes: "reflected" and "batch".
"reflected" mode subscribers will receive Libernet messages one at a time,
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If interested, send mail to libernet-request@dartmouth.edu.  Thank you.

--Barry Fagin (libernet-request@dartmouth.edu)
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