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From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date:  2 Sep 92 17:13:30 GMT

parkes@itp.ethz.ch (Andrew Parkes) writes:


>In article <ted.715364141@sage0> ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying) writes:
>the time not distinguishing holiday from vacation. So, the idea that Americans
>work every weekday except for 10 a year seemed a bit harsh to say the least.
>Having read this I now suppose that "holiday" means collective-choice days off
>such as Xmas, whilst "vacation" refers to individual-choice days off not fixed
>to some external event. Please correct this if I'm wrong.

   Yes, this is correct:  "vacation" in the US refers to leave you take
when you want it, with your boss's agreement.  "Holiday" means paid days
off for Christmas, New Year's Day, etc.

>NASA could be quite a singular case so I'd be interested to hear about the
>general attitudes in industry to people taking pre-arranged unpaid leave.
>For example, is it generally ok to take unpaid leave as long as you remain
>on-call (in case problems arise that cannot be dealt with efficiently by
>someone else).

   My own experience has been that unpaid leave is rare in the US, and
it's generally bad for your career to ask for it.   There are exceptions
-- if you're high enough in management, in particular, you may be more
likely to be in a position to negotiate an extensive unpaid leave.  At
least the only people I've known to do this were fairly high level.  But
as a rule, you're expected to keep your shoulder to the wheel.
From: Eli.Mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Eli Mantel)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Job fairs during September 1992
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:04:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Job fairs during 9/92:
 
8/31-9/1	WE	Dallas, TX
9/14		NCC	New York, NY
9/14-9/15	WE	Phoenix, AZ
9/14-9/15	PE	Detroit, MI
9/18-9/19	NCC	Fayetteville, NC
9/21		NCC	Atlanta, GA
9/21		NCC	Detroit, MI
9/21-9/22	PE	Baltimore, MD
9/28		NCC	Southern CA
9/28-9/29	WE	Denver, CO
9/28-9/29	CFC	Dallas, TX
9/28-9/29       TS	Chicago, IL
 
The organization sponsoring the job fairs is identified by the following codes:
	CFC	Career Fair Coordinators, 214-462-8807
	NCC	National Career Centers, 914-483-0413 or 800-326-9111
	PE	Professional Exchange, 804-431-0804 or 800-338-4530
  	TS	Terra-Starr, Jeff Baron at 312-649-5887 or Eloise Wood
		at 804-622-8978
	WE	Westech Expocorp, 408-970-8800
 
The job fairs listed are not necessarily oriented to computer or high-tech jobs.
Please contact the sponsor for details, and before making firm plans.
 
If you know of other organizations running job fairs, please let me know
so I can include their info in future lists.  Thanks.
					Eli
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: Eli.Mantel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Eli Mantel)
Subject: Job fairs during October 1992
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:08:03 GMT

Job fairs during 10/92:
 
10/2-10/3	NCC	Charleston, SC
10/5		NCC	Dallas, TX
10/5     	NCC	Boston, MA
10/5     	CFC	Houston, TX
10/5-10/6	PE	New Jersey
10/13-10/14	PE	Washington, DC
10/19		NCC	Piscataway, NJ
10/19		NCC	Los Angeles, CA
10/19-10/20	WE	Santa Clara, CA
10/26		NCC	Washington, DC
10/26		NCC	Memphis, TN
10/26	        PE	RTP/Raleigh, NC
 
The organization sponsoring the job fairs is identified by the following codes:
	CFC	Career Fair Coordinators, 214-462-8807
	NCC	National Career Centers, 914-483-0413 or 800-326-9111
	PE	Professional Exchange, 804-431-0804 or 800-338-4530
	WE	Westech Expocorp, 408-970-8800
 
The job fairs listed are not necessarily oriented to computer or high-tech jobs.
Please contact the sponsor for details, and before making firm plans.
 
If you know of other organizations running job fairs, please let me know
so I can include their info in future lists.  Thanks.
					Eli
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Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:6219 misc.jobs.offered:10617
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered
Subject: Experienced Database Programmers Wanted
From: wevans@ecst.csuchico.edu (Bill Evans)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 21:59:06 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
Keywords: ACCELL, Informix, Ingres, Sybase



    OPTX will be adding four database programmers to its staff.
    If you consider yourself an expert with ACCELL, Informix, Ingres, 
    or Sybase, please contact us...you may be the next addition 
    to our staff.
    
    Voice and FAX numbers appear below.  Please FAX resumes if possible.


                                ABOUT OPTX...

    OPTX Professional Services maintains a staff of software engineers 
    skilled in the areas of:

    - C And UNIX Development, Porting And Training 
    - UNIX System Administration  
    - Object-Oriented Development, Technology Transfer And Training
    - Database Technology (UNIFY/ACCELL, Informix, Ingres, Sybase)
    - X Windows Application Development
    - Compiler Design And Implementation
 
    Specialized Services Include:
    - Software Development Process Consulting
    - Project Management Consulting
    - Expert Knowledge Of UNIFY/ACCELL Internals
    - Design And Implementation Of Object-Oriented Language Compilers
    - Design And Implementation Of Object-Oriented Language Runtime Systems
    - Utilization Of Our Full-Time Project Development Teams And Facilities
 
 
   OPTX consultants are available for projects at any location world-wide
 

                Contact:  Bill Evans, Manager 
                  Voice:  (916) 899-2110
                   Fax :  (916) 899-2102    

                       
   We will always consider senior professionals for addition to our staff


                OPTX Professional Services is a division of:     
                
                          OPTX International
                          PO Box 6661 
                          225 Main St.
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                          95927-6661


                OPTX Is An Equal Opportunity Employer
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying)
Subject: Re: Jobs on in misc.jobs.offered
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:56:37 GMT

syspb@smartstar.com (Paul) writes:

>I have been looking in misc.jobs.offered for a System Administrator
>position for about 1 year now.  I tried emailing my resume and sending
>it by US mail.  Here are the results.
>
> [...details of difficult job-searching ommitted...]
>
	Well, just so that net-readers can see the other side of the
	coin, let me briefly mention my experience.

	I had been working for nearly 3 years in a position at the
	Johns Hopkins University.  I was one of three system
	administrators for a network of machines supporting a major
	genetics database.  I hadn't really been looking for a new
	job, but a friend had mentioned an interesting looking
	position that was posted in misc.jobs.offered.

	I looked at the job and agreed that it looked interesting.  So
	despite not being interested in a job, I sent a resume by
	electronic mail.  I got a call back within 2 days and had an
	interview scheduled for a few days later.  I went to the
	interview and talked with the manager.  He was sufficiently
	satisfied with my interview that he asked me to come back again
	and interview with some technical people.  I did so and within
	2 days of that interview, I was given an offer.

	I found out that approximately 10 people had responded via the
	net, 3 people had been brought back for the second interview
	with the tech folks and I had been selected.  After thinking
	about this over a weekend, I accepted the job.  Note:  the
	entire process from when I first saw the posting to when I
	accepted the job was only about 2.5 weeks.

	Just wanted net-readers to know that there are people who hire
	from the net and that the medium does work.  As another poster
	pointed out, this medium should probably have about as much
	success as ordinary newspapers and not everyone is going to get
	the kind of response.  I happened to exactly fit the bill that
	this company was looking for.

	Don't give up hope in this medium, just don't place all of your
	hope on this medium.  Use it as any other resource available
	to you.

	Ted Ying			ted@rosserv.gsfc.nasa.gov
	Hughes/STX			Goddard Space Flight Center
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Job in UNIX vs OS/2 world.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 04:49:49 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

ajit@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Ajit Naidu) writes:
: 
: Hi Everybody,
: 
: 
: 2) I don't mean to offend the OS/2 fans out there, but does OS/2
:    have a lot of future, especially since IBM is working with Apple
:    on "PINK" the new OS which will run across various IBM platforms.
:    - Is getting into OS/2 world a mistake since he has reasonable
:      experience under UNIX and X/Motif ?
: 
I can't say what OS/2 has for a future, but Unix is growing
faster than any other OS, has been for last 3 years, and probably
will be until 1995 (Market share growth).
--
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mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
=====================================================================
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Why do Americans get so little vacation time?
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:39:33 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug21.122906.22118@eua.ericsson.se> euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:
>nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:

>>  The Japanese average 2100 working hours a year versus 2050 in the US
>>  (source: OECD) 

>Careful with those statistics! Are thsoe averages based on everyone,
>including children, housewives, etc, or are they based on actual
>employees? If it's the latter, countries where a large %age of the
>population in the workforce, but with a relatively large part of them
>working part-time will appear to be "lazier" than countries with a
>smaller %age in the workforce and with almost every worker working full-
>time.

As I understand it, these are neither.  They are averages for full
time workers.  
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From: miller@diego.llnl.gov (Patrick Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Info about CompuServe (Ohio)
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:49:41 GMT
Followup-To: dev.null
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

I have a net-less friend in Ohio who is up for a job with CompuServe.
The job site is Solon, OH (near Akron I think) rather than Columbus.
Does anyone out there have any information on work environment, etc...
with regards to CompuServe?

Please E-Mail replies.

Thank you

-- 
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patmiller@llnl.gov               aren't generally humble ones
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: philpot@kepler.arc.nasa.gov (Andrew Philpot)
Subject: Re: Questions about AMS Inc.
Followup-To: philpot@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:53:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.170721.3957@ra.msstate.edu>, rmo@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Robert M. Opalko) writes:
|> 
|>     	Hello all,	
|> 
|> 	I would like to find out as much information as possible 
|> 	on the Arlington, Va based company American Manufacturing
|> 	Systems Inc.  

Actually, I think the company is named American Management Systems.

I interviewed there a long time ago.  I haven't interviewed with the
others you mentioned, but I imagine it's pretty much the same niche.
I know they do a lot of large contract work, sometimes with the
federal government branches in the district.  I think they were
accused of some wrongdoing recently, but were exonerated. Sorry for
the vagueness.

Andrew

# not the opinion of NASA or Sterling or Ames or the US Govt. or Elvis

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From: goss@mtechca.maintech.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Michigan Headhunters
Date: 31 Aug 92 09:50:41 PST
Organization: MAINTECH, A division of Volt Delta Resources, Inc. Orange, CA

-- looking for headhunter in Michigan area. All phone numbers and address would    
be helpful.
thankx
*<<<<<<<<<<<<< MY OPINIONS ARE MINE AND NOT THAT OF MY EMPLOYER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*
 Derrick D. Goss                                      e-mail: goss@mtechca.uucp 
 Tech. Assistance Center_______MAINTECH:a division of Volt Delta Resources, Inc 
 voice: 1.714.921.7608                                  2401 North Glassell St.
 fax: 1.714.921.7510                                Orange, CA,  USA 92665-2705
**********************  Internet Z-CAR CLUB MEMBER # 12  ***********************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>" 280ZX owners do it with a stick" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: mstephens.520@postman.gsfc.nasa.gov (mark stephens)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: how to respond in misc.jobs.offered
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:00:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: nasa/gsfc

I just started looking real hard two weeks ago.  And, suprize, 
suprize there are postions out there to which I can apply.  Since
graphical interfaces is one of my fortes (spelling is not!), I 
hesitate to send an ASCIIed version of my resume over the net.  I
have done it and followed this with a US mail version. 

Do folks who are applying to positions routinely send resumes email?
Do the creators of these position postings expect and want resumes
by email?  Do these posters get absolutly flooded (my fear) with 
email, so much so that they can't really read 'em?

If this is all in a FAQ, why just say bad boy and rub my nose in 
the address.  

                   mark
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dp@natinst.com (Debapriya Ray)
Subject: Prospects for VMS Engineers
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:05:08 GMT

>	I am interested in knowing what are the job prospects for folks
>working in VMS, specifically those who are system programmers, device-
>driver writers, know VMS internals. What are career prospects with
>an experience of 2-3 yrs in this area ? I am interested in knowing this
>since, most job ads one comes across in the job-related newsgroups
>on Usenet, ask for people skilled in Unix/Unix internals/X/C++/RDBMS.
>
>	You may post on the net if you like. But since I am not a 
>very regular reader of this newsgroup, I will appreciate a response
>to my email address:  dp@natinst.com
>
>	Thanks !!
>
>	Regards, Debapriya Ray
>
>email: dp@natinst.com
>National Instr
>Austin, Texas
From: judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Etiquette Regarding Present and Prospective E
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:05:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas


	Rajiv Avora, I tell them not to contact my present employer
	unless a serious offer is being considered.  Life's a risk.

		Bye, Judy
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: owens@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Christopher Owens)
Subject: Re: Northwest (was Re: Things to make flying more comfortable)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, The Univ of Chicago
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:25:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.230110.12187@newshost.lanl.gov> davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons) writes:
>
>Not true.  The issue IS whether or not you use drugs.  Individuals who
>use drugs tend to: 
>	1. Have more accidents (both on and off the job). [...]
>	2. Miss more days of work.  [...]

Black Americans have a statistically higher chance than whites of
developing high blood pressure and coronary artery disease.  Pilots
with coronary artery disease will miss more work than others, and they
run a higher chance of having a heart attack while commanding an
aircraft.  Does this mean that airlines should screen for Blackness
when hiring pilots?  I don't think so; I think if the issue is heart
disease then the airlines should keep an eye on the cardiovascular
health of their pilots, rather than trying to argue that they ought to
be allowed to screen out pilots on the basis of some factor mildly
correlated with heart disease.

> True, the company cannot test for poor performance because you stayed up
> all night watching the Three Stooges Revival on WTBS.

Why can't they?  I just proposed in a previous message an example of
cheap and easy tests for reaction time, hand-eye coordination, and
visual acuity, which could be presented in a sociological/political
climate that might encourage compliance:  "Here's a tool you can use to
check if you're sharp enough to fly today" versus "Pee in this bottle
so big brother can check up on your bad habits." 

> There are a lot of variables for which an employer CAN'T test.

And there are a lot for which they can, but don't, because many
employers apear to place a higher priority on satisfying the public
that they're "doing something about the drug problem" than they do on
finding innovative, cost-effective mechanisms to improve employee
performance, detect problems, and increase public and employee safety.

In the case of airlines, everything I've read suggests
that that drug use among airline flight crews is effectively a
non-existant problem --- that the percentage of flight crews with a
drug or alcohol problem is vanishingly small relative to the problem
of people being allowed to fly when they're stressed-out,
sleep-deprived, or sick.  








Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: judy@evolving.com (Judy Bettinger)
Subject: Meg Smith, please read this
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:01:06 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.


Meg Smith: I sent a reply to your latest message but  I 
got back a reply of DENIED.  I'll re-send if you'll send
me your address.
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Evolving Systems, Inc.                         :o<)
Denver, Colorado                              < |\
From: mookherj@serss0.fiu.edu (The Happy Man)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Advice needed : Job Transfer
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:23:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida International Univ.

A friend who doesn't have access to internet has this problem.

He has been employed with a software company, say A,  where he has been
working on vms. He is not too happy with this job, because his
interests are in unix/c. Meanwhile, he has another job offer
from a company which does exactly, what he likes: unix/c/x/motif.
This company, say B, is offering him slightly less money (approx
$350 less p.m), but is a very big company.

What would experienced netters advice ? Take the change, or continue
on vms. He is sure that company A will make him work on vms for another
few years...and isn't it true that unix is *the* system for the future ?

Please post on the net...Or, send email to: mookherj@fiu.edu

Thanks in advance
Jay Mookherje
From: lloyd-ritter@cup.portal.com (Lloyd-Ritter and Associates)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: MAC/unix/test,s bay,recruiter
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 92 16:31:37 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba

location-s.bay                                 rate-doe
start-1wk                                      length-6mo
skills-Unix/mac/macsbug/test/vu nice to have
       integration/compatibility



call JAYA at 415-964-6644             no e-mail please
From: shapiro@trade.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract
Subject: Re: Contract Position (Recruiter)
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:03:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: ryn.1992Aug26.150317.6577
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.


In article <3722@cvbnetPrime.COM>, krishna@cvbnetPrime.COM writes...

>I am posting this for a friend of mine.
>Globe Tech, Inc.
>105 Spitbrook Road, #4B
>Nashua NH 03062
> 
>Fax: (603) 891-0122

Do you have a voice phone number and a persons name?

I called information for the 603 area code and they did not have a listing for
Globe Tech, Inc.

I sent a FAX and would like to confirm its arrival. 

Regards,
Steve.

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Xref: sparky misc.jobs.contract:3099 dc.general:1966
From: jim@options.uujobs.com (Jim Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.contract,dc.general
Subject: MD: HP/UX, Korn Shell, NFS Contractor needed immediately
Keywords: UNix system adminstration sysadmin maryland
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 18:53:40 EDT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: dc,md,va
Organization: Options Unltd., Silver Spring, MD

A small consulting firm has a client in Maryland who is installing 10 HP
700 machines. We need a contractor for 3-6 months (probably 6) who can
handle it; ideally this person has experience with HP/UX 8.07, Korn
shell, NFS, AutoMount; C helps.

If you lack the above experience but think you can do the job, drop me a
line anyway. I have marketing/recruiting arrangements with several
small, local, engineer-run firms, & we're always seeking contact with
strong Unix contractors. I also work permanent Unix openings in the DC
area, and always like to hear from those with >2yrs of full-time
experience outside the University.

I wish I could help folks with <2yrs experience, and all those visa-
holders, but employers pay me a fee to find people they haven't been
able to find on their own; sorry.

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