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From: brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Illegal moves during Tournament
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:26:03 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Nov17.150740.8639@cis.uab.edu> sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) writes:
>
>>...When did my opportunity to protest the move cease to exist?  
>
>Assuming that the mating move was legal, the game was over when your
>opponent hit his clock after making the mating move.
>-- 

Again, I take a slight exception to this. Checkmate ends the game.
The checkmating MOVE was complete when your opponent released his
hand off the piece he was moving. Assuming making a time control
isn't an issue here, because the move isn't complete for time
control considerations until you punch the clock.

The point is that the following scenario is invalid:
X makes checkmating move, releases hand from piece.
Before X punches his clock, Y says "I protest! Nine moves
ago you made an illegal move, and I can still protest because
you haven't punched your clock yet."

I would contend that Y's right to protest expired when X
took his hand off the piece, not when X punches the clock.

Ken, what do you think?

Bruce Cheney
From: steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk (Steven Rix)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Illegal moves during Tournament
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:54:56 GMT
Reply-To: steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Chemical Engineering Department.
Originator: steven@gour

This is partly missing the point. The FIDE rules _do_ state that mate immediately
ends the game, but they assume that there is one arbiter present per game! If a 
flag falls, the arbiter should immediately stop any further moves being played 
and if, after reconstructing any moves not on the scoresheets, it is clear that 
the time control has not been reached, he should declare a win on time. The arbiter should also intervene if mate arises or an illegal move is played (which _never_
forfeits the game!).

The point about mate immediately ending the game is to stop players reaching a 
checkmate position and going off to analyse without stopping the clocks; the
mated player cannot claim a win on time half an hour later!

British Chess Federation Rules follow on from this, but state that, if no arbiter
is present, a player must claim a win on time himself, while his flag is up and
before he is checkmated. This is as near as the FIDE rule can get to the practical
situation of tournament play, where there is one overworked TD looking after many
games. Robert Hyatt's idea of basing everything on the clock seems simple and
should save arguments (I came across two mate/fallen flag disputes out of four
British tournaments I played in this summer!).
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: title@think.com (Richard Title)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: 3-D Chess
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:34:09 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hespera.think.com

In article <1992Nov13.190304.13738@utagraph.uta.edu> xxjames@utagraph.uta.edu (Mr. James W. Stewart) writes:
>
>I am looking for information about the 3-D chess sets as seen on Star
>Trek the Next Generation.  Where to find them, how to play....  If you
>know of other 3-D chess games, please, let me know!  Thank you!
>
>James :-)
>
If you're in the Boston area then you can go to the Science Museum,
where there is a "Star Trek" exhibit, and in the gift shop accompanying
this exhibit they are selling the 3D StarTrek chess set with an
accompanying rule book. I didn't buy one - $250 seemed a
little pricey. I skimmed the rule book, and decided it's probably
not as good a game as real chess. There were still only 64 squares total;
and they're distributed in weird ways in 3 dimensions, which puts all
kinds of constraints on piece movement. Probably simpler than chess
in the sense that there are fewer possibilities and the game tree is narrower.

I think it would be a more interesting game if 8 normal boards
were stacked up for a total of 8x64 squares, with the obvious 
extension of piece movements into 3 dimensions.

    Rich



Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: joe@avs.com (Joe Peterson)
Subject: Re: Graphic interface for the mac / ICS
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:07:27 GMT

I am working on (basically done with) a mac program that I can use to
interface to ICS.  It is on a color Mac II 640x480 display.  It is a pretty
hard-coded program at this point, but it does the job for me.  I use it
over a modem to where I work (2400 baud) and then make the internet connection
from there.  It works only for board style 8.

If anyone has a similar situation, I'd be glad to pass on the program.  I'm
not sure the best way to post a Mac binary though...

						Joe Peterson
						ICS: skydiver
						joe@avs.com
From: mmt@festus.ksu.ksu.edu (Jason Derek Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Exploding the Myth:  GM Benjamin speaks on F-S II (_Chow_ upload)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:21:07 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: festus.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: compromising for ones heroes


When you say "I've also lost a little respect for Spassky, even though his
behavior is quite understandable considering the payoff.", are you not "demanding
enough of your heroes"?? I can only assume by your statement,  that money
transcends the realm of hero-ship ( new word Mark, sorry), and the standards
therein,  which is in my opinion a shamefull commentary on your character. I
shudder at the other compromises you make in the name of money. 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: olesen@math.uiowa.edu (Martin Olesen)
Subject: Re: Fischer - Polgar/Kasparov update
Originator: olesen@walnut.math.uiowa.edu
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:45:53 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA



|> [1] What changes in chess 'perspective' have occurred in the past 20 years
|>     which Fischer may not be aware of?  I've seen nothing on the
|>     scale of 'hypermodernism' vs. 'classicism'.  (Or have I missed something?)
|>     Any ideas?

|> --Larry %)



          Try to read Suba's book "Dynamic Chess". His thesis
          is that chess has undergone a transformation in the last
          20 years in the view towards hidden dynamics and potential
           energy of a position. His main example is the Hedgehog type
          positions, that was thought of as being very bad 20 years ago,
           but has been showed to be excellent.


                                Martin Olesen
From: Charles@Celeborn.lvunix.com (Charles Slade)
Subject: The Fred Countergambit
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Summary: 
Keywords: Unorthodox
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:35:49 PST
Organization: Not even Close

     Hi!

   I'm new to the group, but I'm wondering if anyone has seen Benjamin's 
 book of unorthodox openings, more speficaly, the Fred.  This rather 
 dubious opening arises after 1. e4 f5?! .  Benjamin puts it under the
 bad chapter (The good, the bad, and the ugly).  The main line he gives 
 is 1. e4 f5?   2. ef Kf7.  It seems like its there only for commic
 relief, but I've had considerable success (any success is considerable)
 with  1. e4 f5!?   2. ef Nf6  in  five and ten minute chess.  If anyone
 has seen the dubious Fred and has thought anything of it please reply! 
 By the way, I'm 16 years old and my five minute rating is jumping
 between 1800 and 1900.  
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: Re: Illegal moves during Tournament
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:07:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.110200.1@pa881a.inland.com> nason@pa881a.inland.com writes:
>...  I was check mated by the opponent. 
>However, my question is, at that point, and before I signed the sheet, could I
>have protested the illegal move.  

If the mating move *itself* was illegal, then you can complain about
that.  Otherwise, checkmate on the board immediately ends the game, and
it's too late to complain about earlier illegal moves.

>...When did my opportunity to protest the move cease to exist?  

Assuming that the mating move was legal, the game was over when your
opponent hit his clock after making the mating move.
-- 
Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: chandra@cs.cornell.edu (Tushar D Chandra)
Subject: Distributed chess playing program?
Keywords: gnuchess, distributed
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:54:04 GMT


Hi!

I was wondering if someone has a distributed chess playing program that can
work on general purpose machines. For example, does someone have a program
that generates all board positions (to depth 1 or 2 depending on the number of
machines available) and gives one position to each machine to analyse. Each
machine returns a "score" to the "root" machine which selects the move with the
best score. Seems to me that we should be able to get 1 or even 2 extra plys
this way.

Looking at the gnuchess code, I believe a quick and dirty implementation
shouldn't take too long.

Cheers

-Tushar Chandra
chandra@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: donan@hardy.u.washington.edu (Donald Anglin)
Subject: Computer Games (PC)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:11:21 GMT

Hello. Can someone tell me what Knightstalker is all about, especially
with there other program 'Access'. Is it something a d/e player could
use. 

ChessMaster 3000. What are the bugs in the Windows version? Does the 
Windows version have the chess clock that one sees in the adds? Or is
this just the Mac version?

Thanks

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: juffi@ai.univie.ac.at (Johannes Fuernkranz)
Subject: Re: novice question
Organization: Dept. Med.Cybernetics & Artif.Intelligence, Univ.Vienna, Austria, Europe
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:47:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.172450.1690@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>Joe Micozzi writes about the following opening:
>
>1. e4 e5 2. f3 c6 3. b5 (??!)
>
>I'm not a very high-rated player, but isn't this move illegal?  And is
>it really that good anyhow?  :-)
>
>4. a4 f6(?)
>
>Why?  I don't think I can recall a single e4 opening in which the
>f-pawn gets pushed like this so early.  You'd think more masters would
>play 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f6, for example, if it were a sound opening.
>
>5. 0-0 (??!)
>
>Another illegal move, I believe.  :-)
>
>I don't know what opening has you so confused, Mr. Micozzi, but for
>some reason I don't think it's this one.  Perhaps you could check the
>moves and repost it.

This obviously was meant to be a Ruy Lopez with piece identifiers 
missing in the notation.
Read
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Ba4 Nf6
5. 0-0

I didn't get the original post, so I don't know what the question was.

					Juffi

-- 
Johannes Fuernkranz                                    +43-1-5336112(Tel)
Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence    +43-1-5320652(Fax)
Schottengasse 3, A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe     juffi@ai.univie.ac.at 
--------------- "Life is too short for Chess." -- Byron -----------------
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Alekhine Memorial (Moscow)
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:53:36 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

How about game scores: does anybody have them and can they post the
scores?

Kiitos!

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
was 'Russian Vodka'."
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:08:41 -0500 
From: Paul Reber <pr18+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: All DT-Bronstein ICS Games, background, general comments
	<1992Nov19.190707.8984@cello.hpl.hp.com>

renglish@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English) writes:
> Feng-Hsiung mentioned that David acheived winning positions in many of
> the games, but was unable to find the actual win, either the precise
> sequence of moves that would lead to mate or the precise sequence of
> moves that would win decisive material.  Once the position became
> decisive, the number of possible moves decreased and DT played with
> great precision.
> 
> --bob--

I would thoroughly enjoy seeing one or more of these positions, what
was played and DT's analysis (if possible).  Sounds like these might
be truly excellent lessons in attack and defense.

Paul Reber
lemur@cmu.edu

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: schmidt@uxmail.ust.hk (DR. ROY SCHMIDT)
Subject: Re: Living Chess
Organization: Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:37:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.175806.26328@njitgw.njit.edu> jpk2581@hertz.njit.edu (joseph p kisenwether apmt stnt) writes:
>
>Suppose you're playing a game of living chess where when a peice
>moves on to the same square as an enemy peice, in stead of 
>capturing that peice, the two people hold some contest (say
>a fight to the death) to see who holds the square. You lose
>when you're king is beaten in such a contest.
>
>How do your tactics change? How would the opening differ?
>If you could rank your team from best to worst fighter, 
>who would play what peice?

This is the philosophy behind the design of strategy games such as the
ones made by Avalon Hill (Tactics II, Gettysburg, etc.).  The contest is
decided based on the relative strength of the pieces contesting for the
area of the board on which they are located and a roll of the die to
simulate chance factors.

I think there was a similar chess-like game marketed in Chess Life some
years ago with the same idea.

Your tactics would have to change such that you have contingency plans
of action in case your main attack fails due to chance factors.  In
chess proper, you may have fallback options, but you have faith in your
own judgment and don't worry about circumstances beyond your control
affecting the course of the game.

Of course, there are major changes to openings, etc.

I don't understand your last question.  Fictional, living, past heroes?
What sort of contest?  Puzzle solving, ring tossing, swordplay, pistols
at fifty metres?   

Wasn't this an old Star Trek episode??? :-)      

-- 
Roy Schmidt        schmidt@usthk.ust.hk        schmidt@uxmail.ust.hk
Business Information Systems Dept, School of Business and Management
         The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology
                Clearwater Bay,  Sai Kung,  HONG KONG
From: fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage])
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Another variant of chess
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:15:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: raven.1992Nov19.031550.9904
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network

Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage] writes
> A friend and I have played this variation on chess with some success.  It's  
called  
> "poker chess".  Each player has a five card hand, and each piece is represented  
by  
> these cards:
> 
> Card : Piece
> K	K
> Q	Q
> J-10	R
> 9-8	B
> 7-6	N
> A-5	P
Correction: 2-5 is Pawn
An Ace may move any piece.
> 
> Each turn, you first play a card, then move a piece that matches the card, and  
then  
> replenish your hand.  But if you are in check, you may play any legal move,  
without  
> playing a card.  If you have a card for which you have no pieces, then that card  
> may not be played (variation: it must be placed face up on the table).  Stalemate  
> loses for the player to move.
> 
> --
> CONFIG.DAT not found.  Reboot universe?

--
CONFIG.DAT not found.  Reboot universe?
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Gaprindashvilli's strength (was re: Fishcer with odds)
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:11:06 GMT


May I suggest that Nona's rating is a bit misleading.  She was by far
the strongest woman
in an era when women did not generally play in women's events.  As a 
result, her rating was probably somewhat depressed in her period of
greatest strength. (sorry the sentence above should read did not 
usually play in men's events)  Of course she was probably at her
strongest before the ELO ratings came about.  

In Tal's autobiography he points out that Nona won a new year's blitz
event ahead of him, defeating him in the process.  In a different era,
and under a different government, Nona might well have earned the GM
title.  I personally think that the idea that Fischer, or anyone else,
could give her a knight at any form of chess other than Scotch chess
and expect to win, is ludicrous.
From: 9001786@sunvax.sun.ac.za (Fem)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Anybody want to play?
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:13:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: sunvax.9001786.1.722124822
Organization: UoS

In article <1e60o0INNb9e@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> breitweg@phys.ksu.edu (hates Dirac notation) writes:
>From: breitweg@phys.ksu.edu (hates Dirac notation)
>Subject: Anybody want to play?
>Date: 15 Nov 92 17:17:52 GMT
>Hi All,
>
>Does anybody out there want to play two games of chees (one with black and
>one with white)?  I have not played in a while but my USCF rating is about
>1550.  So I would like to play somebody of this strength or higher.
>
>So if anybody wants to play my first move is 1.d4.  Respond to me with your
>answer and your first move as white and away we go.  Note the address below
>that is the one that i prefer you use.  Hope to hear from somebody.
>
>Sincerely,
>Jason Breitweg
>jbreitwe@polar.bowdoin.edu
>
>--
>breitweg@phys.ksu.edu

I am new to the system so please excuse my roundabout way of doing things on 
the network. Sorry about hte spelling, but since i live in South Africa 
english is my second language.

I would like to play you.

White : 1. d4

Black : 1. d4  d6

If you cant get hold of me i will look you up in this space for the next 
moves.
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From: hharding@nyx.cs.du.edu (Harvard Harding)
Subject: 3D - Chess
Keywords: 3D -Chess
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 17:22:15 GMT


Does anyone know where I could get a 3-D chess board, I have looked in
catalogs and hobbie stores but I haven't been able to find one anywhere?

Thanks alot

BBAAHarv
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (CUFFELL TIMOTHY MICH)
Subject: Who the hell is Solomon Hecht? 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:05:20 GMT

I recently read an old 1930 article called "Telling off the World Champion".  It
struck my as the most anal retentive peice of dogmatic bilge I have ever read.
It was meant as a "critique" of Lasker's "Common Sense in Chess".  The article
takes Laker's five opening principals and proceed to aimlessly nitpick one of
Lasker's example games under headers like "A Dogma Without Precedent in Chess
History", "Unspeakable Humiliation for the King's Guard", and "The Black Bandit
Knight, a Reckless Law-Breaker".  In this simple Exchange Ruy, he comments on
1 P-K4, P-K4; 2 Kt-KB3, saying that after this move, "it will be exceedingly
difficult to play a correct game of chess." (You hear that, Mr. Fischer?)  As
the game continues 2 ...,Kt-QB3; 3 B-QKt5, Kt-KB3; 4 Castles, KtxP, he laments
about the disgrace of a field general letting one of his men being captured
unopposed with "I can hear the derisive shouts from Black's camp reaching to
the high heavens.  I can feel with poor White's King his inexpressible
humiliation and anguish."  We then find and ill conceived treatise on how chess
should be played in strict accordance to millitary principals.

Did the author, Solomon Hecht, have any merit in the chess world?  Was he some
expert in another field (a millitary man, I'm thinking) who thought he could
lend his expertise to an ignorant chess community?  Or was he some crank who
had an in with a publisher?

Any historical info would be appriciated.
-- 

-Tim Cuffel
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: thomas@maths.tcd.ie (Thomas Bridge)
Subject: Does anyone want to play e-mail chess?
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:43:27 GMT


I'm going to ask that old, old question but I don't care.  Does anyone want a
game of chess?  I've no rating but play a decentish game.

If you do then please choose one of these games

1.  I'm white

   1.   P-K4   (d4)


2.  You're white and therefore its your move.


I will play both if you want.


Yours anticipating a reply,

           Thomas Bridge.


18 Westland Row,                         
Trinity College Dublin,                 
Ireland.

e-mail: thomas@maths.tcd.ie 
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: Joseph Albert <albert@papyrus.hpl.hp.com>
Subject: F-S II: Fixed?
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:53:40 GMT



Around the Bay Area there are a number of people that I have run across who
believe that the most recent Fischer-Spassky match was fixed.  They generally
cite as evidence the high variance in quality of play.

About a week and a half ago David Bronstein was visiting the
Chess Academy of Palo Alto, and was asked by someone what, in 
general, he thought of this match, and, in particular, if he 
thought it was fixed.

Bronstein replied with something like [not exact quote]: I don't
know about this match, it isn't right for people to go to a country
to play for millions while nearby people are suffering.  If they
wanted to go there to play for charity, for a hospital, or something,
that would be fine.

When asked by someone if the match was fixed, he replied with
something like [not exact quote]: I don't know. Certainly
it is inconceivable that Spassky could play so poorly.


joseph albert
albert@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: watsonb@alcohol.ecn.purdue.edu (Bradley S Watson)
Subject: Re: Slav Exchange
Keywords: Slav Exchange
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:32:13 GMT

>> In the following line of Slav Exchange:
>> 
>> 1. d4 d5  2. c4 c6  3. cxd cxd  4. Nf3 Nf6  5. Nc3 Nc6
>> 6. Bf4 Bf5  7. e3 e6  8. Bb4 Nd7  9. Qa5 Rc8
>> 
>
>Sorry about the typos. Should be 8. Bb5 Nd7  9. Qa4 Rc8
>
>> Black loses a pawn after
>> 
>> 10. Bxc6 Rxc6  11. Qxa7
>
>If 11. ... Qc8, then 12. Qa5 Ra6  13. Qc7  White keeps the pawn.
>Is there improvement for Black?
>
>
>Ling-po Shiu

After 13. .... Qa8 (threatening .... Rc6) 14. Ne5 Nxe5 
15. Bxe5 Rc6 16. Qb8+ Qxb8+ 17. Bxb8 Ba3 18. bxa3 Rxc3

Black looks in great shape to me.  White's extra pawn is
completely worthless.  It's a doubled, isolated rook pawn
and there are opposite colored bishops on the board.
On the other hand, black's domination of the c file
should cause white some headaches.

Bradley