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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Bear Crap
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:13:09 GMT


In article <69735@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

|> Awwww... POOR **BABY**!  I'm only buried under disillusioning,
|> disenfranchising images of nothing but an *exceedingly* narrow
|> band of physical type in the gay media, absolutely NONE of which
|> I can identify with in the slightest.  Forgive the FUCK out of me 
|> for being pissed off that our supposedly more "enlightened"
|> community is as fucking bigoted against Persons of Fur as a lot
|> of WASP society is against Persons of Color or QueerFolk.

Perhaps it's time you stopped worrying so much what
the "community" thinks about you and people like you.
What impact does their attitude have on your day-to-day
life other than how upset your perception of it gets you?

|> What the hell does it SAY when it's many times over easier for me
|> to find images I can identify with in the STRAIGHT media? _Al_ on
|> "Home Improvement"? Jeff Smith, the Frugal Gourmet? Wolf Blitzer
|> on CNN, for Gaia's sake!

It means that you don't have to buy your pornography,
you can get it for free on the TV.

|> I realize we're probably not going to do away with the prejudice
|> against "overweight" any time soon; but there is no reason
|> whatsoever -- bullshit aside -- that the much-vaunted (by others)
|> _International Male_ catalogue couldn't have a handsome,
|> muscular, 40ish Daddy type with a furry chest and a thick, salt
|> and pepper moustache -- or a late 20s Bear Cub with a nice beard and
|> a "torso-t" of fur to emphasize his pecs and abs.  

I wouldn't mind looking at pictures of men like this,
but it would bother me immensely wearing the twee
outfits that International Male sells.

It's like getting upset that Playboy doesn't feature
more naked men - it's just not their market.

|> And this is just one example.... It goes on *much* further.

Space Aliens?  

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From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:05:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Nov16.090533.9312
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


Just a little tid bit of information from the Oregonian, November 11, 1992;

"Marky Mark is being sued by a man who claims the singer-model kicked
him in the face repeatedly and broke his jaw.

In the lawsuit filed Monday in Suffolk Superior Court, Robert D. Crehan,
20, claimed that Mark kicked him while another man held him down Aug. 30....

....His lawyer, Craig Brown, denied Mark had any part in the attack
and alleged that the other man Derek, McCall, 20, was solely responsible.

According to the Boston Globe, Mark was accused twice this summer of 
aggression, but no complaints were filed.

The newspaper said the disposition of a 1990 assault case against Mark
could not be learned Monday, but in 1988, he was ordered to serve three
months in jail for his role in two racial attacks against Vietnamese men
in Boston's Dorchester section, where he once lived."

Bil Snodgrass 
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From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: Surly French waiters
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:01:14 GMT

In <nosenseofirony@kaa.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) writes:
>>>> Ok, Matthew, what about that surly waiter you had??
>>>He was French.
>>need he say more?
>mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>(you are correct, however, about it being *your* fault the Frenchman
>>exhibited his natural inclinations towards French-ness...)

>So Frenchmen are naturally surly, are they?  Well I suppose it might
>seem that way to Americans, stupid and vulgar as they are.
>Eamonn

   Woah Eamonn.  MY definition of 'surly' is an amenity.  That, of course,
   is not to say that us Americans can't be stupid and vulgar -- we can.
   But we continue to fight long and hard to be stupid and vulgar on 
   occasion and even a touch of brilliance on occasion.

   So, despite my pleasant thoughts of 'surly' Frenchmen (Jean Paul where
   are you now) and other equally 'surly' Mediterranean types, explain
   why my focus of attention is a Viking?  =)

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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Don't teach kids tolerance...
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:48:52 GMT

dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman) writes:
>In article <thaaang.721457838@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
>writes:
>:You see, us cultural
>:elites are so much more important to the world than mere mortals,
>:and we feed off of mortals, draining their pocketbooks with our
>:infectious diseases and knack for moneymaking . . . 
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Apparently I'm doing something wrong.

Don't worry dear, from what I know, so is he.

By the way, I've quit working at the Cockring.

								FJ!!
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein (was Re: Scott Masden)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:58:19 GMT

stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) wrote: 
->Oh c'mon, Bob.  There's a difference between an idol and an object of lust. 

i thought we were talking about marky mark here.

(doesn't qualify as either, IMNSHO)

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bob Dole Quote
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:03:58 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Nov17.100334.27108@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
tab@blitzen.cc.bellcore.com (biederman,thomas) writes:

>Bob Dole, Republican of Kansas, the Senate minority leader, on
>Mr. Clinton's plan to lift the ban on homosexuals in the armed forces:

>["..."]

>Sounds like something from the 1940's to me         

Dole always sounds more like 1840s to me.  When does he next
stand for election?

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From: jlamb@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Lamb)
Subject: Colleges
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 01:33:34 GMT

I was wondering if anybody out there goes or knows about any of the
following colleges:
Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Evergreen State College, Olympia WA
Western Washington University, Bellingham WA
Earlham College, Richmond IN

I'm transferring from this school because it is too conservative.  Also, if
anybody has any suggestions on small & liberal schools, I'll take them.

Thanks a lot,
Jeff

jlamb@linfield.edu             jlamb@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: s883334@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (James Alan Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Australian Military
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:43:36 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au


  As of today, homosexuality is acceptable in the Australian Army, the vote
being supported by our Prime Minister, Paul Keating. The Defence Minister
and the armed forces were against the move, so how they will meet their
new legal obligation is yet to be seen. 
  Australia already has provision in immigration laws for gay couples, yet
there is no national anti discrimination laws with regard to homosexuals.
The steps taken so far should make Australia (politically anyway)
one of the most gay friendly countries.

 James.
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 16:31:57 GMT


In article <1992Nov12.163612.6127@wam.umd.edu>
lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) fulminates
against common frivolities:

>In article <1992Nov12.011000.11407@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
>mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie) writes:

>>Check out the *two* Marky mark ads right up front in the
>>latest Esquire (the one with Winona Ryder on the cover).
>>Keepers, fer sure!

>No one here knows a fucking thing about what Marky Mark
>thinks of GLB issues.  We're just content looking at his
>ripped stomach.  Give me a fucking break.  Now if it is
>found out that he has made derogatory comments about Gays in
>his "songs" (term used sparingly), you all will look about
>as idiotic as a Gay person at the last hallowed Republican
>Convention ...

Thanks to somebody, we now have it from the horse's mouth
(albeit curious of idiom) that probably we needn't worry
overmuch about that prospect.  We may still look idiotic for
a wide variety of other reasons, of course.

>Why do Gay men make it a point to focus on so many
>superficial material things?  

I think you have to admit that many don't make it a point.
Either they don't focus (much) on superficial, material
things or they do it naturally, so to speak.  Truth to
tell, your claim is arguably a class prejudice.

>Out of the people I know, I
>would say that lesbians aren't caught up in it as much and
>are *much* more mature and educated about GLB issues.  I've
>never seen a lesbian say "Damn, she has a good body" without
>adding either "but she's a homophobe ..." or "and she's very
>Gay-positive!  *smile* *flirt*".

If that's a prejudice too, it's one I tend to share, with
the proviso that some of the difference you observe may be a
man/woman difference as much (or more) than a gayman/lesbian
one.

>Donald - It's time for some action!

Yep.

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From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:20:10 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>dude and Chevy Chase as the news anchor - did Tomlin have one where she was
>a little girl and sat in a high chair and said "That's the twuth,
>pthhhhptht"?  I *know* Tomlin did something with slurred R's!!!)

You're showing your youth, buckeroo!  Lily Tomlin was Edith Anne on Laugh in
in the late sixties.  *I* of course READ about this in history books...

:-/

D.
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ugly
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:34:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Nov24.023427.327
Organization: insert anything here

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Bob Donahue writes:
>>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>>This simply isn't true.  _HONCHO_ has done a couple of "bear"
>>>oriented issues [Oct. 1990 and Jul. 1992], and even in Twinkie

>> I can't speak for the 7/92 issue but the 10/90 issue
>>was more "faux-bear" than bear... The models had all the parts
>>but just didn't "have it"...

>We've discussed the fact previously that you and I define the
>term "bear" differently.

	Even putting that in I think the Honcho models of late
do not match very will with the Top 5 "bears" on anyone's list.

>>who was about the best bear since the "Fur Trapper" spread in 1984
>>(GDM - don't forget they had this guy AGAIN in 1985 in a really
>>awful spread that had his CLOTHES on most of the time to hide
>>his fur....).

>True, but the letters complaining about *THAT* got us two more
>full-page shots of him wearin' next to nuthin' in later issues,
>both of which were clearer and better-lit than anything they'd
>run previously....(!)

	TWO???  (u......) Oh - OK (whew!)

	I wonder what happened to him that he never posed for
anyone else... I mean people up to a couple of years ago were saying
that he was spotted at the FSF, etc...

>>        I subscribe to _Daddy_ and buy Bulk Male regularly.
>>I usedf to get Bear but they got away from what I would call the
>>"Classic" bear and more into the biker-bear look pretty much

>Umm... *NOT*.  Try looking through a copy of "In The Wind" if
>you want to know what bikers look like.

	OK - "biker-bear" comparatively then.  And even so,
I did choose my words carefully.

>>If you were to count the # of bear models in all of the
>>mags out, I think you'd find there are more models than ever.  

>Well, yes -- if you include all the "specialty" magazines we've
>been talking about. But *NONE* of them -- even _BEAR_ -- has the
>kind of newsstand distribution that the Honcho/Mandate/&c.
>skinrags get.  If you're privileged to live in a major metro
>area, you can find the "specialty" publications -- otherwise,
>you don't see them.

	That's becoming  less andless true - you *can* believe
it or not now get Bear at Eros Books in Las Cruces NM, but
not the others (last I checked, um last month...)

	And insofar as I do have some kind of outlet, albeit 
imperfect, the problem is becoming less of one with time.
The fact that people *do* know about these alternative mags
and aren't discounting them as readily as before is an indication of
progress...

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Re: Rap (Yes, you're still in soc.motss) (Re: Marky Mark
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:18:40 GMT

Donald Andrew Agarrat wrote: 
> Brett, there are probably like two people hear who know anything  
> about rap.

I assume I'm the other?

> Most Gay men don't like rap.  Well, let me clarify  
> this.  Most Gay men don't like legitimate rap.  

That's because we don't have that natural rythmn thing. Well, let
me clarify this. Most white people don't like rap -- well, some
white people, I'm sure, and they don't like it *a lot*. And it's
because, I'm sure, they don't have that natural rhythm thing and 
because, I'm also sure, all kinds of stupid and ugly characteristics
have been ascribed to people of either colour, and you guys got 
the rhythm. Well, let me clarify that...

[Rest of the bullshit deleted]

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
Don't believe the hype
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: what to do in holland?
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:05:49 GMT


tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen) writes:

>Anyone have any must-sees/dos for Amsterdam or Utrecht?  If so, please send >mail.

020 686 3308
						FJ!! (respond through
						mail? And cheat my
						friends here out of
						words from me?)
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From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:56:08 GMT

jeffrey joel walls writes:
#In article <1992Nov13.145920.16839@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
#>           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado
#This really pisses me off!  Right now in Colorado (and you obviously don't
#live here, so what do you care?) the governor is trying to find a way to
#have the amendment declared unconstitutional.  

And the sooner the governor (or someone) gets the law declared
unconstitional, the sooner any boycott would end.

#I personally voted NO on Amendment 2, and
#I am not gay, I simply feel that discrimination is wrong (and I'm from
#Mississippi if that matters to you, which I doubt it will), and that is
#why I am so pissed off about this big "Boycott Colorado" campaign.  

Whether you like it or not, the actions of your neighbors reflect upon
you. If your neighbors do dumb things (like pass unconstitutional
laws) then you suffer. That's life.

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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Colorado: My 2 cents
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:16:49 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <1992Nov18.170826.13842@PacBell.COM>, rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod
Williams) wrote:

> Sounds pretty clever to me, and this strategy would completely
> disarm the opposition, while a boycott would play right into
> their hands...

Bingo.  I hope they can pull it off.

*X*
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From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marky Mark and Calvin Klein
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:42:32 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Nov14.225545.11529@wam.umd.edu> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.135349.11877@bsu-ucs>  
>01klcampbell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Kenton Campbell) writes:
>} Actually, Marky Mark is quite gay-positive.  An article in 
>} ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY (if I remember correctly) quoted him 
>} about how he appreciates his gay male fans as much as his 
>} straight female ones.....
>} 
>} Take a chill pill, Agarrat.  He *is* hotter than molten lava, 
>} after all.  Sounds to me like you just need to get a piece 
>} some time this century.
>
>Get the fuck out of here!  Marky Mark is NOT ALL THAT!  I can't  
>believe you all are falling for this bullshit!  I guess I  
>shouldn't be surprised

	Donald, dear, as much as I hate to have to disagree with you,
I have to in this case. The man is "all that", and then some, an I
don't care if he hasn't the talent of a tree sloth (or the
personality) for that matter. He's always nice to look at. 

>.. and as far as me needing a piece.
>
>I think this statement of yours proves my point on how most Gay  
>men are nothing but dogs in heat.

	*ahem*

	Woof-woof. Woof-Woof-Woof. Woof. WOOF!




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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: A Strand of Bigotry
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:50:34 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov17.210333.2428@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes:
>In article <13208@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>#So why is there a right to practice sodomy?

>Because it is a private matter between consenting adults. Didn't you
>know that?

So is prostitution.

(The money involved clearly does not take it out of the private
sphere.  After all, abortion is protected under the privacy theory but
people pay for abortions.)
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Clinton Should Issue Pardons
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 05:49:20 GMT


In article <19921116165906ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>
ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B.  Nimble) writes:

>Arkansas is one of the states that still makes homosexual sodomy a
>crime. There are hundreds of men languishing in Arkansas prisons today,
>having been convicted of this offense. I say that Governor Clinton
>should issue a full, complete, and unconditional pardon to each one of
>them before he leaves office.

Where do those numbers come from?  Is it 200 or 1200?  Am I
correct in assuming you are not suggesting pardons for
people who committed sodomy as part of a crime (sexual
harrasment, rape, etc.)?  If the prisoners you mean are
imprisoned for consensual sex in private between two adults
*and nothing else*, I support your call for their release,
with or without Gov. Clinton's help (whether he helps is
not the same issue, though it too is an important one).

Have you written him yet with this suggestion?

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