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From: kevin@modcomp.uucp (Kevin Smith)
Subject: Re: Trip Report (KOOK Alert) from the Gorge.
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:19:07 GMT

A little late on the report but here goes anyway.  I awoke Friday in
Hood River to what turned out to be a windy day.   we stayed in the
Hood River Hotel which was nice, but no AC and we were on the side with
little air movement.  they had a ceiling fan but it had been in the
upper 90's so it was a bit warm.  I got used to it though since humidity
was low, unlike here in Florida.

Went down to the Hatch and watched people in the 4.0 to 4.5 range.  
A few good jumps were sighted and one failed loop but it wasn't good enough
yet for any really good action.  

Went back down to the Marina area and rented a 8'6" Seatrend
from the Rhonda Smith Winsurfing Center (RSWC).  This 
incidentally was the smallest board I've been on and sailed.  It took
me a while to get out into the better wind past the marina but after
that I did fairly well after sailing upwind (or downriver) to the
better wind and where other sailors, (KOOKS) were.  Actually as far as
KOOKs go, I only had one guy feel the need to spray me while I was down 
and preparing for a waterstart.  I avoided people on occasion, so as
not to be a KOOK myself! :-)  

I sailed a good three hours with a few short breaks and basically
quit to save myself from the risk of injury.  The SeaTrend board had
"Bump & Jump" wriiten on it and I found out the meaning of it.  This
board being smaller and lighter than my 9'6 Raasta at home had no
problems finding air.  It felt so light under my feet it was incredible.
There were some nice swells on the far side of the river which made for
nice attempts at surf sailing.  I used a 5.0 the whole time, basically
because I was too lazy to go back and swap sails and plus the board was
a semi-sinker due to my weight.  I was overpowered many times but
fought it out till the end.  Probably could have used a 4.5 and been 
a little more comfortable but I survived and was passing a lot of
people when up and under full power :-)  Took an official
wind reading with my meter at the RSWC when I was done and it was
22-28 mph.

Wish I could of sailed Sat and Sunday but had visiting in the area to do.
Sounds like I didn't miss anything on Monday.  

Pat? Mark?  How did you huys fare?

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From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: baltic sea
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:02:16 GMT
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <9208191834.AA07725@cs.NYU.EDU> bardet@CS.NYU.EDU (Laurent Bardet) writes:
>    How confortable are the gloves and hoods ? Can we hear with
>neoprene hood ?

You loose an enormous amount of heat through your head. Everyone I know
wears a hood when it's really cold. Hearing is not a problem. After the
dry suit, a hood is the most important thing to have in cold weather.

>How slippy are the hands on the wishbone with gloves ?

A lot of sailors here do not like gloves, so they don't use them.

As I said, I use mittens with the palm area cut off. This allows me to grip
the boom with your bare hands and it also allows me to blow in warm air
through the opening. I find blowing air into the gloves much more efficient
than warming my fingers in my mouth.

>Have you got prefered brands?

O'Neill. The O'Asis is the most popular dry suit around here.

>Since I don't own a van, I change my
>clothe outside before to rush into the car. An important question is
>how much time do you need to take off all the sucker stuff after the
>navigation ?

Since you are wearing a dry suit anyway, you can wear it a while longer
and drive home to a nice warm shower. Remove the dry suit when you are in
the shower. I only do this when it's convenient.

Even without the shower, a dry suit is not much harder to remove than
your average wetsuit. You may need some help with the zipper (if it's
in the back) and it may take a minute or two longer.

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From: pjp@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Pat J. Pinchera)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Kodak Waterproof Camera
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:35:12 GMT
Organization: ICS, Melbourne FL

When out at the Gorge last week (see Mark's super trip report) we took out
my waterproof 35 mm Minolta, the bright yellow auto-focus, 2 lens (zoom)
kind. I just got the pictures back yesterday. They turned out good. I do
have some suggestions though, and they would also apply to using the
Kodak Weekend disposables.....

I used the new Ectar ASA 100 film. I used to use 400 all the time for
speed, but when outdoors in sunlight, you get better pictures with the
100, and less graininess (or so I'm told).

Take the pictures with the sun at your back.

If the subject is moving across the frame (i.e. left to right or right
to left) try to follow them as they travel and press the shutter.  My
camera does not have adjustable shutter speed, so when I was blazing
past, the close shots had me were out of focus due to the movement of the
subject (me!).  I know if we tried the 'follow the subject' technique,
we might have had one of those super speed sailing shots, you know the
kind where the sailor is in perfect focus, and everything else like the
water spray, background, etc. is blurred.  I'm going to try this out
this weekend if Hurricane Andrew shows up with some shortboard weather!!

Of course, try to keep major water drops off of the lens.  I think we
succeeded without too much trouble.

I wear a waist pack to hold the camera while sailing to the picture
taking destination. The thought of having it hanging around my neck
while sailing didn't sound to good.

Anybody else have any ideas? I'd really like to hear from any other
experiences.

Pat....with my welcome mat out for Andrew!!
 'P19'
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From: krueger@ssd.comm.mot.com (Kevin Krueger)
Subject: Weather in Corpus/South Padre & Hatteras in early September
Reply-To: krueger@ssd.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:34:21 GMT

I'm planning a taking a little windsurf break in early September and am
looking at either Hatteras or Corpus/South Padre as my destination, but
have no idea what the wind is like during that time.  Can anyone help ?

Thanks,
Kevin
From: kettering@addvax.llnl.gov (Brett 'Volleyball Is My Game' Kettering)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: I'm new at this.  Need equipment advice
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:10:00 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40

Hi there,

I'm just getting into windsurfing.  I've only been a couple of times and
haven't moved very fast, but someday...  Well, I'd like to look for a setup
for a beginner.  I don't have any sailing experience, but I do have a little
surfing experience.  I'm a pretty good waterskier, but I'm told that won't
help??

I'd like some suggestions on equipment for a beginner as to board, booms,
sails, etc.

I saw some posts about blisters.  Has anyone tried some waterski gloves?
They're very comfortable, especially when wet, and would prevent the blisters.

Thanks in advance.

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From: nickn@mummy.agsm.unsw.OZ.AU (Nick_Nikov)
Subject: GIF or JPG files ?
Organization: Australian Graduate School of Management
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:15:40 GMT


Readers,

Anyone know of some good *.gif or *.jpg files ? and where do I get them.

Although, seeing this info before its only now that I have the tools to
have a look at them. I have access to non-sailboarding but you know whats
like when the trees are swaying and someone has just dumped a priority
job on the desk !

Regards...
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From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: Re: Waterproof Camera Bag/Caseing ?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 20:14:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.185645.22899@pony.Ingres.COM> thall@Ingres.COM (Trevor Hall) writes:
>
>dot dot dot
>
>One thing I've considered, but haven't tried yet:  one of those Kodak
>disposable cameras.  I forget which model it is, but one of them is
>advertised as waterproof to 20'.  That way, if you drop the thing, you're
>only out $20, instead of $300+.
>
> +-----+ Trevor Hall                       :-)		Humor

Disposable - no! Actually they recycle the plastic body and use
it again. Yeah :)

I don't know how much they are here but they were $10.00 in Hawaii
recently. I brought a couple home.

I've used them snuba diving at 25' for 30 minutes - no problem.
The under water shots look green - but so do a lot of underwater
shots from far more expensive "rigs".  Unless you have a real good
underwater camera with a flash, I think the main purpose is to give 
you something do while enjoying the beauty - kinda puts you on a mission.
but that must be another b-board...

I like the above water quality  a lot:).. Have used them for sea kayaking
and windsurfing.  THe problem is that you don't have zooming features.
Also, the subject looks to take up a larger portion of the picture
through the view finder than they really do on film.  In other
words, ya gotta be pretty close.  But really, its fun trying to line your
wife or buddy up in the view finder as they do a double off a killer
wave just before it ( or they) wipe you out.  Have fun.

Andy
 

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From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
Subject: Re: Fins - Spins - Booms - Boards and Narrowmindedness
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:29:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug7.190206.4811@news.media.mit.edu> pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire) writes:
>
>>
>>Ya we really are having a bad season this year.  It only blows 1 day
>>a week for 4 hours on that day.  Don't come up to the Gorge this
>>season.  You will get skunked.
>>
>>Really. I've been sailing all summer.  I just haven't been posting
>>about it very much.  
>>
>
>	I guess I must consider myself lucky when I got there in July.
>Out of 7 days, I got 2 days of 3.5, 2 days of 4.0, one day of 4.5 and
>one 5.0 day. Granted, the locals used on average .3 - .5 sq. meters
>larger sails (I weight 145 lbs), but still, this was more wind in a
>week than I got in the last year on the East Coast :(
>
>I had to hunt for it, though. I drove 800 miles in 8 days! 
>
>					Pierre St Hilaire
>					MIT Media Lab

I really think this is typical of the Gorge.  The people that get skunked
in the Gorge are the people without local knowledge or the willingness to
look for the wind.  It is a rare day indeed when no sailable wind can be
found somewhere between Manzanita on the coast and Arlington 200 miles
inland. You have to understand where the marine air meets the desert air.

Its that same engine that drives wind in the SF Bay area during the summer,
sometimes its at Crissy Field, sometimes its somewhere up the Sacramento
river delta. The Gorge just squeezes it some.


joel clark
From: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Cyote honks (Monday 8-18)
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:54:27 GMT
Reply-To: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

Cyote has been blowing pretty strong the last few weeks. Yesturday was a
3.9 day. It was completly filled in. My wife took my 3.9 (she claims it is
hers), so I had to hang on to dear life on my 4.4. I did not make it much past
the Gaastra buoy as it really got much stronger there.

Feels like the season just kicked in (though I have over 70 sailing days so 
far this year). Hope it lasts into october.

narayan
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From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: baltic sea
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:54:27 GMT

In article <ds.714067690@davinci> ds@doc.ic.ac.uk (David Sands) writes:
>Thanks for the stats Arno. But I can't wait 'till May!!!!  To be
>honest, I reckon I should be able to manage November and April OK.

I agree. We usually start the season in April and some people still
sail in November (I haven't usually had time to sail in November).

>I
>think that the limiting factor in cold weather sailing is air
>temperature rather than sea temp. Do others agree, or is this a
>personal thing dependent on how much time one spends in the water?
>What are the coldest temps that other netters are prepared to endure,
>and what tips do you have for dealing with the cold?

I agree. The water temperature is usually around 4C in April, but
the air is usually about 12C. The problem in November is that it
gets dark very soon, so if you want to go sailing, you have to
go out early when almost everyone has to be working or studying.

A dry suit, dry boots, gloves and a hood are necessary in really
cold weather. My fingers usually get cold first. With full gloves,
your fingers loose strength, so I use O'Neill open palm mittens. Since
my fingers and palms touch the boom, the grip material has to be warm.
Some grips are much warmer than others. If the grip feels wet after
a dip in water, it will probably feel cold too.

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From: rogerc@techbook.com (Roger Christal.)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: I'm Back
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:33:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug14.073342.14753
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135


After a year (or so) absence, I have returned to rec.windsurfing.

Hi Wilton, Jim M. and Joel.  Good to see you're still here.  Wish I could
say the same for Ken B.

If anyone remembers Nelson Lerner from a couple of years back, he's
living in Bingen, teaching windsurfing for Hood River Windsurfing and
will probably be teaching skiing at Mt. Hood again this winter.  Earlier
this year, he blew out his ACL while skiing and had his knee reconstructed.
Believe it or not, he's back on the water already.  What an animal!

Started sailing this year on January 1st at Stevenson.  Couldn't believe
how warm the water was, so just kept sailing through January and
February.  Do you know how many days I couldn't sail because there was
too much wind!  Rooster Rock had many monster days in those first two
months.

Anyway, it's good to be back.  Later.

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From: pjolicoe@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: Transition Board or Short Board???
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:45:37 GMT

In article <1684810D21.EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:
>>>I'm a beginning windsurfer with a 12' beginner's board.  I've
>>>become pretty comfortable with it and am looking for my next
>>>board purchase to learn more advanced skills, such as waterstarts,
>>>high wind proficiency, etc.  Some friends have suggested boards
>>>as short as 9'4", and as long as 10'6" (usually *their* old boards ;-)
>>>
>For those of you who have been reading this thread and don't have unlimited
>wind, I would vote for the transition board.  I have a course board, a
>transition board, and a grand slalom (9' 4"?).  The course board gets used
>about 40 times per year, the transition board about 25 times and the giant   h
>slalom about 6 times.  I can use up to a 7.4 on the transition board, and in
>slightly choppy inland water conditions, it is quite a bit easier to handle
>than the course board (if there is enough wind to power up a 7.4 or smaller).

My recommendation is to go to a giant slalom (9'9" or so, with 130 to 135L
volume).  This amount of floation is plenty to uphaul and sail in low
winds, but can be used in much higher winds (all the way to 4.0 conditions
on small bodies of water where the waves remain very small).  Furthermore,
giant slaloms can be used with very large sails (I use a 7.0 often [oh,
too often]) with mine.  Finally, having sailed with this board for 1 year,
I never using the transition board (10'6", 173L) that I purchased 2 years
ago.  I suspect that I could have gone directly to this board without
the other one.
PJ
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From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Subject: Re: WANTED: used transition board
Reply-To: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Organization: NCAR / Scientific Computing Division, Boulder CO.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:06:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.191836.16427@leland.Stanford.EDU>, tmclain@sun-valley.Stanford.EDU (Tim McLain) writes:
> 
.
.
.
> problem.  I have no experience with a harness or foot straps.  My wife, who would be a
> secondary user, is still very much a beginner.  I am 6'5", 185 lbs.  My wife is 5'7", 
> 120 lbs.  Since we are on a limited budget, I would like to kill two birds with one
> stone and buy something we could both use and enjoy (until we save more $$$).
> 
> I am looking for something like a Fanatic Bat, F2 Comet, or Bic Rhumba -- something
> along those lines (~10-10.5 ft, 160-170 liters).  Also, any advice would be appreciated.
> 
If you're not planning on sailing in 25+ knot conditions for a while yet, this
is probably reasonable thinking.  I can garantee your wife will have an easier
time handling a "transition" board than your (I assume) standard board.  I've
known a couple women (105 and 115 lbs respectively) that had a hard time
maneuvering a big 12 footer around, but got on a 10.5 foot board and were
taching and jybing in no time.

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From: Pierre Jolicoeur <pjolicoe@watpix.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Hatteras
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:21:47 GMT


which of these cities is closest to Hatteras?

                 -----------------------------------
                  State    Code       City
                 -----------------------------------
                    NC      AVL     ASHEVILLE
                    NC      CLT     CHARLOTTE
                    NC      GSO     GREENSBORO
                    NC      ILM     WILMINGTON
                    NC      RDU     RALEIGH/DURHAM

thanks
PJ
From: wbb@tuzigoot.berkeley.edu (Bill Baringer)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sailing without a fin
Date: 19 Aug 1992 19:13:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
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In article <Bt8n75.2ry@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert Poortinga) writes:
>While on vacation last week, I had the unfortunate experience of losing
>a fin box about a 1/2 mile out on a 25 kt day.  After several attempts

I had a similar experience at Berkeley, about 3/4 mile out.  I didn't know
about the "use the harness as a drag fin" trick, (I wasn't reading this group
then) so just held the boom in the water-start position and sailed it in 
with my body dragging through the water behind.  It must've looked 
hilarious to the other surfers.  Took me quite some time to get back.

bill
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