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From: zedaker@next07wor.wam.umd.edu (Pamela Marie Weller)
Subject: Re: semi-concious dreaming ...
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:34:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.193201.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>  
sphillip01@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> Occasionally I get these dreams when I'm semi concious (or so it feels),  
and 
> these I can remember long after I wake up. I can usually control what I  
do in 
> them to a moderate degree as well. 
> Any comments ? On semi-concious dreaming ? I could almost swear I was  
awake the 
> second time, until I woke up .... Any way to force this type of dream,  
rather 
> than wait for chance/sub-concious ?
> 
> Trevor Phillips
> 
---I don't know about forcing a dream, but I've frequently had the  
experience of "semi-conscious" dreaming.  I too tend to be able to control  
the dream to some degree.  The only time that I had a "dream within a  
dream" (as I call it) is from a fully unconscious state.  It was back in  
high school (I used to ride the bus to school every day).  I dreamt that  
the bus came through the wall, then I woke up (or so I thought I did), sat  
up in bed.  Then the same sequence with the bus coming through the wall,  
then I woke up for real, and was sitting up in bed.

		I don't know if this helps.  Pam
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: WAKE UP! or your numb limb will ...
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:16:38 GMT


Have you ever woken up with one or more limb drained for fresh
blood and totally numb ? I've heard a lot of funny stories from
people who have fallen asleep on one of their body parts only to
awake to disaster (standing up withone numb leg is difficult ;)
The mind seems to use dramatic means to wake up the sleeper when
a limb is going numb, but not everyone remembers what it was that
caused them to wake up. Anyway ...

Here's how my mind once woke me up to save my arm :

  I was walking down this peaceful street a warm and sunny day
  when I suddenly felt something scratching my palm.

  I raised my hand and looked at it, it was fisted. I slowly opened it
  and to my greatest horror it contained a huge hairy spider getting
  ready to bite. (Yes, I *loathe* huge hairy spiders ;)

  In panic I woke up to find myself lying on my own arm. It was
  of course a dead limb totally free of fresh oxygen. The dream
  was totally realistic and made my spine shiver.

I'd love to hear your story/experience in alt.dreams !!!

*JORN* (email : jorngh@sofus.dhhalden.no)

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Symbols are personal
Summary: dreams stuff
Keywords: symbols
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 02:39:15 GMT

I'm a new beast to the realm, so spare me from pain...

Seems to me symbols are a pretty personal matter.  To try and say
water is sex for EVERYONE is pretty extreme.  After all, for me water
could be a scary thing, the unknown, whatever, where as to someone
else it could be freedom, etc.

For example, I got a toothbrush from a girlfriend who I ended up
breaking up with.  In a dream, she broke a toothbrush in half because
our relationship was over.  You don't gotta be Freud to see the
toothbrush was a phallus symbol in that puppy.




Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: dern@acs.bu.edu (Kevin Dern)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Remembering Dreams
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:30:01 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In reference to dreams being "lost forever":

my theory is that if your subconscious creates the dream in the first place,
it must stay in the subconscious for an indefinate period of time... a
subconscious memory. In some hypnosis experiments, I've been able to coach
people to remember dreams from days ago that they didn't know they had! 

This fascinates me - I'm still looking for people in the Boston area that
would like to explore this with me further!

Kevin

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: mayor@ic15.umeeng (Cam "You didn't see me!" Mayor)
Subject: Re: deja vu?
Reply-To: mayor@ic15.umeeng
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:54:58 GMT

In article 11411@muppet.bt.co.uk, bart@muppet.bt.co.uk (Tim) writes:
>I heard once that deja vu (surprisingly or not) is triggered solely by
>SMELL and olfactory senses. 
>

I heard once that some epileptics get a feeling of deja' vu just before they
have a seizure.  Is this true?  Any epileptics care to enlighten us upon this?

cam
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: luikero@pcuf.fi (Lauri Kero)
Subject: The deja vus You were talking about
Organization: PCUF
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:46:20 GMT

I do wish that you will not think I am posting to an appropriate group...
 
 Anyway. I have a strong opinion that the reason some people have these
dreams that tell about the future is that the Spiritual World, the Other
Side wants people to become aware of it. I don't mind you snickering
behind your monitors, but please do not post any flames for me, it will
not make me change my views and most people reading this group would not
like to read them.
 
Thank you for Your sympathy.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard)
Subject: Re: deja vu?
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:41:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.133910.1@acad2.alaska.edu> anske@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>In article <BvF66H.7v3@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, csedlack@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher Sedlack) writes:
>> I, personally, have had many dreams which have come true at some time in the
>> future; in fact, I have ONLY had deja vu through dreaming.  Sometimes I have
>> seen places and things that I've never seen before, though my most common
>> type of deja vu dream is where I dream of a conversation I'm going to have at
>> some time in the future.
>> 
>> Chris Sedlack
>
>Ditto for me. I ONLY have deja vu through dreaming.  It has happened ever
>since I can remember... 195.. I had one REAL scary one when I was about
>18... I don't talk about it much... too difficult.  A series of three
>dreams.. very vivid... during an afternoon nap.  The first one was the
>scary one... the second was just a house purchase which came to be about
>six months later... the third I have never been able to remember.
>
I have a similar problem (?) where I "Dream" that this even happens and
then the event happens, and I Feel like a ton-of-bricks hits me!
The wierd thing is this: I DON'T REMEMBER MY DREAMS!!!

I only know, after the ton-of-bricks thing, that I dreamed it!!
Go Figure!
LLAP
Eric Hausgaard



-- 
         "Seize the moment, Mirabor...Seize the moment" -- Picard 
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From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Water in dreams (sorry to tell you...)
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:16:30 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

I hate to be the one who breaks this important psychology to you all, but
water* is the MOST IMPORTANT SYMBOL FOR *SEXUALITY* you can have in 
dreams!!!!

If you come to a body of water and:

1)  Try to go around it, you are prudent or worried about the water
2)  Dive right in, well.... =)
3)  Swim, but do so grudgenly... I think you can see.

So all these dreams about water might be interpreted this way... does it fit?


no pun intended  (hehehe yeah right)

-- 
It is better to light a candle then to curse the darkness....
mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu  OR  muffman@tfsquad.mn.org

meow
From: vortexae@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Niki LeBoeuf)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Enhanced creativity when dreaming?
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 19:15:16 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Christian Dylan Losinger) writes:

> 
> 	My girlfriend and I were talking about dreaming one day and she told me
> that she cn remember dreams where she has written poems that were very good.
> The funny thing is is that she does not write poems , I do. She claims to hav
> read poems in her dreams that she thinks she has written that were better tha
> most of the things she sees published.
well, I don't know if I'm doing this "follow" thing right, but...
  As to reading/writing poems in dreams, has anyone read the "latest"
issue of "Sandman; Brief Lives" book? Their was something similar to
that in the storyline.
                                  Just an amature note from...
                                          --The Incredible Vortex
> 
>         --------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
Subject: Re: Lucidity and me.
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 22:20:36 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Reply-To: preiser@cancer.unm.edu

In article <gj156879.718211806@cunews>, gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
>I've been lucid in many dreams, and the most exciting thing to ever
>happen to me is flying.  Has anyone else gone lucid and then
>deliberately flown around?  It seems there are variances on the type
>of flying:  sometimes you can barely get off the ground, other times
>you can soar from heights that are staggering.
>
>There's nothing more powerful than soaring across a landscape.
>Next time YOU (and you know who you are) go lucid, try climbing high
>up and jumping off.  With practice this may become an unnecessary step
>and you'll be able to leap off the ground.
> 
>I believe Freud said that dreams of flying are actually about sex,
>well, then what are dreams about sex about?
>(To steal a quote from the great Sandman comic...)

Yes, whenever I know I'm dreaming I usually start to fly.  It seems to be the
best way to get around.  I've found that any uncertainty can effect my ability
to fly.  It seems to be a matter of will.

Good dreams,
Doug.
   Internet: preiser@cancer.unm.edu
   Bitnet:   preiser@unmb                     I do M
From: danny@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Danny Graham)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Enhanced creativity when dreaming?
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:49:43 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN) writes:

<stuff deleted>

>A while back I was doing the coding part of a computer program, it
>was deadline in a couple of days and I was stuck with a certain
>part of it. I couldn't figure out how to implement a certain algorithm
>into good code.

>I was really obsessed with this problem and I worked around the clock
>with it. But eventually I _had_ to sleep. And what a strange sleep it
>was ... it was partly semi-conscious and I dreamt of text and numbers 
>in random patterns scrolling up and down at a breath-taking speed. It's
>hard to put down in writing, but when I look back it seemed that I was
>on the sideline and just watching with awe at the dream images flashing
>by and not actually controlling them. At the same time I also felt uneasy 
>because I repeatedly thought that this was an un-normal (?) experience.

>As soon as I awaked (after 3-4 hours) I went straight to the computer and 
>sketched out a solution to the problem. Still being tired it seemed to be 
>done almost automatically. Relieved, I went straight to bed and had a deep 
>and peaceful sleep.

>The story also says that it turned out to be a good solution ;-)

>Anyone else with similar dreams ?

Well, it's not really related to normal dreaming as such. I have a friend
back home who has a massive allergy problem, he's allergic to just about
everything. As a result he has to take some fairly potent prescribed drugs
(the names of which I don't know - suffice to say they have similar effects
to those that make your cat turn green and start glowing). He was also a very 
good electronics engineer (he designed a 68000 based computer while still at
school). Anyway, one day whilst fairly out of his face on this stuff, he
decided it was time to do a rather complex piece of electronic design work.
Whilst in this "spaced-out", rapid dreamlike state (his description) he did
all the mathematics and design and did a beutifull pcb layout for it.
Oddly enough, when he looked at it the next day, he really couldn't make head
or tail of this design - he couldn't see how it worked or why he layed the pcb
out in such a glorious yet bizarre fashion. Now sometimes you have to
do something just to see if it works, so he built it, and yes, it did work.
Which goes to show that dreaming (ok so it was slightly enhanced dreaming) can
be very productive.

Incidently, the story goes, that when Kekule was trying to work out the
structure of Benzene the answer came to him in a dream. He is said to have
seen 6 monkeys dancing in a line by a fire, and they then formed a ring, at
which point he woke up and realised that he'd solved his problem, that benzene
had a ring structure.

I'll shut up now,
Danny
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Lucidity and me
From: ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 23:01:35 GMT+1
Organization: Wanganui Amigans, Wanganui, New Zealand

gj student 156879 writes:

>I've been lucid in many dreams, and the most exciting thing to ever
>happen to me is flying.  Has anyone else gone lucid and then
>deliberately flown around?

Sure, many times, and the effect is startling to say the least. You can
take off just like superman. I have no sensation of wind or wind chill
nor of sound when flying - the experience is totally visual. How about 
you?
I sometimes have a problem with power lines getting in the way and I know
why.

>It seems there are variances on the type
>of flying:  sometimes you can barely get off the ground, other time
>you can soar from heights that are staggering.

True enough. Have you gone orbital? Try flying directly into the Sun -
it is a bit daunting but there is nothing to fear.

>There's nothing more powerful than soaring across a landscape.
As I said try flying into the Sun.

>Next time YOU (and you know who you are) go lucid, try climbing high
>up and jumping off.  With practice this may become an unnecessary step
>and you'll be able to leap off the ground.

>I believe Freud said that dreams of flying are actually about sex,
>well, then what are dreams about sex about?
>(To steal a quote from the great Sandman comic...)

Yeah well Siggy thought he was telling everybody's story when, in fact,
he was only telling his own. Sex in the lucid state opens a door to
experiences that simply aren't possible in waking consciousness. Some
say lucid dreaming is astral projection or the way that leads to the
astral plane. Robert Monroe said that on the way to astral projection
he would enter a lucid dreaming state and that it was accompanied by
intense sexual desire. Can't disagree with that - it suggests to me
that the cerebellum is dominant in this state. I had a dream several
years ago in which I was told the hypothalamus held the key to the quest
of myth.

ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)
Subject: Re: Lucid Dreaming - What Is It?
Organization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:30:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.172611.17086@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>
S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz) writes:


   In <1aqvqpINNljd@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> lestat@cats.ucsc.edu writes:

   >  But anyways, I have been able to control my dreams completely
   >  since I was about 6 years old, and can still do it. I refined
   >  the ability to the point where in the bottom of the 'screen' for
   >  lack of a better term or the visual that i see, at the bottom is
   >  a control box. In it are digital displays, including elapsed
   >  time and such. I can at will stop a dream and replay it, edit it
   >  if i am unhappy, or even erase it and start over. I can on the
   >  fly switch the entire dream to something else and this is
   >  easy.... would this be considered lucid dreaming?

   Yes. And the degree to which you gain control is astonishing :-)

Astonishing, indeed.

Damn!! I wish I could do that.

					Dave Barton
					dlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: peacey@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Anthony Peacey)
Subject: Re: Remembering Dreams
Organization: Murdoch University, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:38:33 GMT

std_fleming@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>    This is a question, to anyone who can answer it.  I rarely remember my
>dreams, unless they have a stressful content, or I am awakened during one.  I
>remember reding some years ago that increasing your intake of a particular
>vitamin(?) would help you recall your dreams.  Does anyone else know about
>this?  I would appreciate your help. 

Not about vitamins, but perhaps of interest:

I have been meditating daily for several years - early in the day, about 
40 mins after waking. Often dreams return to me during meditation - whole
passages in detail, or whole dreams as far as I can tell. Now if I wake and 
know I have dreamt but cannot recall it, I look forward to its re-emergence 
when I meditate. I can't remember an occasion when this expectation failed.

Anyone have similar experiences?

Anthony
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: BL.DKS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Diane Seward)
Subject: Re: Enhanced creativity when dreaming?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 07:54:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.131256.26075@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
cdl0915@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Christian Dylan Losinger) writes:
>


>that she can remember dreams where she has written poems that were
very good.
>She doesn't write poems , I do. She claims to have read poems that
>were better than >most of the things she sees published.
>she could remember a few phrases which didn't seem too poetic "out of context".
>
>        Anyone else find themselves creative/artistic in dreams?
>


I experience different creative "characters" in my dreams often.
Sometimes in the form of another "actual" creative person I know,
and sometimes in the form of my self. In working with my dreams
I tend to see that no matter whether it is me or someone else that
is creative in the dream -- it is really my own inner potential
that wants to be noticed.
I dream a lot of playing guitar for others ... or reading one of
my lyrics on stage ... and in this so called reality -- I do write
a lot & play guitar a little, but haven't quite been very outgoing
in pursuing it. In my dreams I've won awards for my works and have
gotten a great reception ... but then again, potential is only made
good by action huh?
I believe that we all have our best creative stuff inside just
waiting to be found -- and dreams can give the feelings to get you
started.
I also hear songs in my dreams. Sometimes songs I haven't heard for
years, yet I'll remember all the lyrics when I wake --- and it
matches the feelings in the dream. It's incredible.
-- just a few of my own experiences, & theorys....

DKS@RLG
From: suemac@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Susan Beth MacPherson)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: semi-concious dreaming ...
Keywords: none
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:29:24 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

I also experince what some call "semi-conscious dreaming" exactly like
you experience it.  I wake up to find that my alarm has been shut off, and 
I'm sure I set it the night before.  Also, this only happens if I'm
extremely tired and only get a few hours of sleep.  I have no recollection
of my alarm going off or my shutting it off.

Anyone with comments would be appreciated!

-Sue MacPherson
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: csedlack@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher Sedlack)
Subject: Re: deja vu?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:44:40 GMT

I, personally, have had many dreams which have come true at some time in the
future; in fact, I have ONLY had deja vu through dreaming.  Sometimes I have
seen places and things that I've never seen before, though my most common
type of deja vu dream is where I dream of a conversation I'm going to have at
some time in the future.

Chris Sedlack
csedlack@imsa.edu
csedlack@uiuc.edu

The sigless wonder
From: g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GR HUTCHISON)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: semi-concious dreaming ...
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:34:39 GMT
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

In article <1992Sep29.093514.3615@wam.umd.edu> mary@wam.umd.edu (Mary Louise Cassidy) writes:

>More then once I've turned off the alarm across the room and have no
>recollection of getting up and walking around at all....

My alarm is also at the other side of the room, and on one occasion I 
have actually re-set my alarm for the start of the next lecture... ie: It 
seems that my subconscious had decided that I would miss the first 
lecture and only wake up in time for the second - However, my subconscious 
was kind enough to re-set my alarm for me!!

BEAT THAT!
:)

Greg


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Gregory Hutchison           ||  "You are never given a wish without
Rhodes University           ||   also being given the power to make
Grahamstown                 ||   it true.
South Africa                ||     You may have to work for it,
<g92h7147@giraffe.ru.ac.za> ||     however." - Richard Bach
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: epilepsy and deja vy
Keywords: epileptic
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:24:14 GMT

Well, not being an epileptic but recounting what I have heard,
epileptics sometimes have what is called an aura before they go into a
seizure.  They either smell something, hear something, some sort of
sensory hallucination, and this allows them to prepare themselves for
the seizure.  Penfield, a neat doctor type, actually removed parts of
the brain (or did something to em, I'm sketchy on this) to ease the
severe seizures of some of his patients.  He would probe in their
brains, creating sensations by touching certain parts, and when he
found the area that created the aura, he'd zap it or remove it or
whatever.  I think the people usually found their seizures were
lessened.