From: dean@vexcel.com (dean alaska)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Is this a socialist county?
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:48:47 GMT
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder, CO

In article <19347@drutx.ATT.COM> dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) writes:
>
>In article <l8l2viINNhnl@spim.mips.com>, mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
>} In article <19259@drutx.ATT.COM>, dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) writes:
>} |> In article <wPe8oB1w164w@coldbox.cojones.com>, system@coldbox.cojones.com (Bryan Lockwood) writes:
>} |> } Won't fly. In this scenario, education would be too expensive for many
>} |> } parents to afford!
>} |> 
>} |> If they can't afford their children's education, then they shouldn't have
>} |> had children in the first place!

So poor people shouldn't have children?

>} |> 
>} That won't fly. 
>
>Won't fly?  You are saying then that people having something that they
>cannot afford does fly?  Very odd.

Only to doctrinaire Libertarians.

>} 2.	At the time you decide to have children, you do not know how
>} 	much it will cost to educate them.
>
>So what?  I don't have to know how much a condo in Aspen will cost to
>know that I cannot afford it either.   Should I buy one anyway?

Gestation periods are usually longer than escrow periods.
>
>} 3.	Education is as much a benefit to the society as it is to
>} 	the individual.
>
>I'll give you the same response I gave to someone else via email.
>
>We also benefit when people are clean, but we are not obligated to
>bathe them.  We benefit when people do not litter and pollute the
>environment, but we are not obligated to clean up after them.  We
>benefit when people act in a civil manner, but we are not obligated to
>teach them right from wrong.  And even though we benefit from an
>educated populace, we should not be obligated to pay for their education
>either.

I believe that the benefits of an educated populace are much greater
than these others that you mention.  An educated populace translates to
social and class mobility.  If only the rich get educated, the poor will
stay poor.  This will cause an increased polarization in society which
will eventually become unstable and lead to a revolution!  Such horrible
repercussions!
>
>} |> } Maybe one way of
>} |> } looking at it is to say that you spend the rest of your life paying back into
>} |> } the system to cover your _own_ education.
>} |> 
>} |> If you buy a loaf of bread, you are not obligated to keep paying the grocer
>} |> for that bread for the rest of your life.  Once you have paid your doctor for
>} |> medical care, you are not obligated to pay for that care for the rest of
>} |> your life.  Why must it be any different for education?

Because you continue to get the benefits of educating the younger members
of society.  Hopefully, you eat the bread within a week.
>} 
>} Education lasst longer than bread or medical care.
> 
>Fine.  Even apart from a public education, things can also be learned
>from books or private lessons that can last a lifetime, too.  So if you
>studied a book in a library, do you then hunt that author down to continue
>to pay them for the rest of your life for that knowledge?  If you purchase
>that same book at a bookstore, do you continue to purchase it after you
>have already bought it?  If you took music lessons, do you continue to
>pay the instructor for them long after those lessons are finihed?  If you
>do any of these, you are a fool.

Educational _need_ for society is permanent.
>
>I sincerely hope you and Clinton will be happy together.  You deserve
>each other.
>--
>David Olson            dlo@drutx.att.com
>"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they
>can bribe the people with their own money."  Alexis de Tocqueville


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		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)
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