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From: Bill_von_Hagen@transarc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox
Subject: 1108 Manuals/OS Wanted
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:19:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: transarc.kfMXHz6SMUE204g3og
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Thanks very much to the readers of this newsgroup who have helped me
get my Alto up and running.  

For my next quest, I recently acquired several 1108's from which I'd
like to at least try to assemble one that works.  However, I have no
documentation and know that none of the systems work "out of the box"
(out of the dumpster might be closer to the truth).  If anyone has any
spare 1108 manuals (hardware especially!), or could copy any for me,
please let me know.  I'd also be very interested in hearing from
anyone with a spare OS distribution.  Assuming that I get a system
running, it would be great to have an OS set on hand, in case the
disks are trashed.  

In general, I'd like to hear from anyone who has one of these
running.  I's appreciate any tips or insights you could share.

Thanks!

  Bill von Hagen
  (wvh@transarc.com)
From: welch@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arun Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox
Subject: Re: Used 1186 - how much?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 10:54:34 -0500
Organization: Info-1100 Mailing List

>
> Anyone care to hazard a guess what a used 1186 is worth with/without
> the various hardware options? (i.e. control store, memory, 40/80M disk,
> PC emulation.)

Almost nothing. You might be able to get a couple hundred for parts.

> And did PC emulation ever get fixed in Medley?
>

Didn't know it was broken. I fired up my machine for old times sake the other
day and PCE ran just fine, just like it always did. Though, as Michel pointed
out, since you can now run Medley on a PC there's not much use for it.
Twisted idea: bring up SoftPC on a Sun and run Medley in it. You're now running
an emulation of a d-machine (sort of) on an emulation of a PC... Anyone
got any machine emulators that run in Medley and we can see how far we
can take this? Something like an IBM 360 emulator would be great :-).

...arun
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Arun Welch
Lisp Systems Programmer, Lab for AI Research, Ohio State University
welch@cis.ohio-state.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox
From: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Subject: Re: Used 1186 - how much?
Reply-To: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:55:12 GMT

In article <93Jan28.061654pst.11552@alpha.xerox.com> Michel_Denber.WBST147@xerox.com writes:
>
>What was wrong with it?  Considering that Medley can now run *on* a PC, I guess
>you could say it's fixed.
>
In medley 1.0 (and possibly 1.1) on the 1186, PC emulation did not work.
My memory is hazy, but I vaguely recall that the window would come up, DOS
would boot, but keyboard input went straight into hyperspace. The reason I
is that someone has offered me an old 1186 for sale and it would be a
bonus to be able to run PC stuff.
>			- Michel
>
>denber.wbst147@xerox.com

Tony "(IL:VMEMPURESTATE T)" Sweeney.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.xerox
From: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Subject: Used 1186 - how much?
Reply-To: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 28 Jan 93 11:54:29 GMT

Anyone care to hazard a guess what a used 1186 is worth with/without
the various hardware options? (i.e. control store, memory, 40/80M disk,
PC emulation.) And did PC emulation ever get fixed in Medley?

Tony.
From: meb@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
Subject: FOR SALE: Spectravideo 8 Bit!
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:46:28 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

FOR SALE

	Spectra Video Express Computer
	Includes parallel port, RS 232, 3.5 In drive, CPM,
	word processor, communications software, manuals.

	Compact 8 bit micro - excelent buy for Kids, Interfacing, or
			      Communications.

	$150-00 ono.

Contact by EMAIL 
meb@waikato.ac.nz
Ph (07) 8561911
From: Mergenthal.ES_AE@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
Subject: Re: INFO-MICRO Digest V93 #5
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:49:17 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


Re: <RALPH.93Jan21125856@cubitus.laas.fr>, Ralph P. Sobek --

>I am using an AdSCSI host adaptor and I have both ICDBOOT 6.0.2 and
>6.0.3.  ICD sees the controller and reports:
>
>        0  EMULEX MD21/52    ESDI
>
>The drive is a Micropolis 1325.  When I power up the shoebox LED 3 of
>the Emulex controller blinks.  What's the significance?  The drive
>sounds like it comes up fine.  When I call ICDFMT is sends out a
>sensing signal for SCSI devices, and the diode light on the front of
>the drive flashs but ICDFMT does not get an answer.

Sounds like a royal mismatch of components!  The AdSCSI host adapter
implements the SCSI interface; the Emulex appears to implement the ESDI
interface; and a Micropolis 1325 is an MFM drive.

You will need an MFM controller card for that disk drive.

--Wade Mergenthal
mergenthal.es_ae@xerox.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
From: walvdrk_r@research.ptt.nl (Kees van der Wal)
Subject: Re: Help needed with Sinclair QL
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:42:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.144236.11271@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, dup@vax.oxford.ac.uk
writes: 

> I have a 10-year-old Sinclair QL with no history of giving problems. After not
> having touched it for a year, I found seven keys to be dead. A knowledgeable
> friend opened it up and established that it was nothing mechanical -- everything
> between keyboard and the plugs into the motherboard seems to be working.
> The whole keyboard is now dead, which, I am assured, is consistent with an
> electronic fault.
> 
> Can anyone help, even if just with an address of somewhere, preferably near
> Oxford or London, that repairs QLs?

One of the more common faults is that the keyboard membrane gets brittle and if 
the plastic cracks also one or more of the metallic tracks on the foil are 
interrupted. The most common place for this to happen is the sharp bend at the 
rear side.

A good source for repairs, help and a new membrane is 
	TF Services, 
	12 Bouverie Place,
	London W2 1RB
	phone: (071) 724 9053 
	bbs: (071) 706 2379

Succes, <kees>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
From: carlsoje@nxsci173a.mrs.umn.edu (Joel Carlson)
Subject: 3 1/2" 1.44 meg floppy for SALE!
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:31:59 GMT

Willing to part with this item for $45.00
It's a TEAC floppy good as new.

carlsoje@nxsci173a.mrs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
From: mpj@hemlock.cray.com (Marvin Johnson)
Subject: Sinclair ZX81 / Timex 1000
Originator: mpj@hemlock
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:06:20 CST


Hi everyone,

Do you remember the Sinclair ZX81 ? The second micro from Sir Clive ?
Well I got hold of one last week for fun (it was my first micro 10 years
ago..) and in one evening I replaced the 1KB RAM chip for a 32KB one.
I plan to make an EPROM programmer board soon. Why use such an outdated
machine ? Because it's so easy to add hardware, and so easy to program!
Besides, I'm still amazed they managed to squeeze a BASIC interpreter
into 8KB...
Anyway, I'd be interested if anyone else out there is still using one,
and if not, whether they have any old circuit descriptions, machine code
programs or books. Here's your chance to get rid of that old stuff!
I've got the ZX81 manual and one or two other books. I think I'll add
an RS232 interface to save programs to my PC...
Please let me know if you share the same interest... or do I have the
oldest micro hardware around ? These computers might be worth something
one day, you know :-) .

Cheers,

Marvin.
From: siproj@grayhawk.rent.com (D. R. Arthur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
Subject: Computer Museum Search
Date: 22 Jan 93 02:56:35 GMT
Organization: Grayhawk Public Access Unix (Waffle), 515/277-6753


 
 I have an original IBM personal computer attempt,
no not the 5150, but before that the 5110 with 
printer.  Well anyhow I need to find a museum that
wishes to acquire such a piece and is willing to
pay a modest sum plus shipping.  Please
forward any good leads, for they are appreciated.
 
Finders fee if right lead found.
No kiddin...


--
siproj@grayhawk.rent.com (D. R. Arthur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
From: louis@cpd.Tandem.COM (Louis Meadows)
Subject: Alantic Research Interkey/Intershake Manual needed 
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:10:16 GMT


 Hi,
`
 I am the new owner of a 15 year old datascope with no manuals.  So please
contact me if you ave ever heard of this beast.
  
  Thanks in advance,

       Louis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.misc
From: walvdrk_r@research.ptt.nl (Kees van der Wal)
Subject: Re: Help needed with Sinclair QL
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 16:26:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.144236.11271@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, dup@vax.oxford.ac.uk
writes: 

> I have a 10-year-old Sinclair QL with no history of giving problems. After not
> having touched it for a year, I found seven keys to be dead. A knowledgeable
> friend opened it up and established that it was nothing mechanical -- everything
> between keyboard and the plugs into the motherboard seems to be working.
> The whole keyboard is now dead, which, I am assured, is consistent with an
> electronic fault.
> 
> Can anyone help, even if just with an address of somewhere, preferably near
> Oxford or London, that repairs QLs?

One of the more common faults is that the keyboard membrane gets brittle and if 
the plastic cracks also one or more of the metallic tracks on the foil are 
interrupted. The most common place for this to happen is the sharp bend at the 
rear side.

A good source for repairs, help and a new membrane is 
	TF Services, 
	12 Bouverie Place,
	London W2 1RB
	phone: (071) 724 9053 
	bbs: (071) 706 2379

Succes, <kees>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: ds@netcom.com (David Schachter)
Subject: Re: Penpoint on VESA local bus machines
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:19:05 GMT

PenPoint runs fine on an Orchid 486/33 motherboard with a local bus that is
allegedly "much like VESA" but came out a long time before VESA was finalized.
A more useful chunk of information is GO's list of machines that successfully
run PenPoint, as reported by developers (and yes, my machine's in the list.)

To get the list, contact GO.  Try +1 415 345 7400 and ask for Developer
Relations.  When you get to the cave, give the key and the sack of gold to
the dwarf.  She will give you a talisman to get past the troll.  Then, take
the ladder to the next level and...  oh, sorry.  That's not right at all.
Cheap replacement positronic brain just doesn't cut it.

Well, the phone number and contact name are right, anyway.  Hope this helps.

					-- David Schachter
-- 
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From: tommy@taichung (Tommy Hsieh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: PenApp Application Builder information needed.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:18:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: taichung
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Hi,
	Does anybody out there have any experience about the
PenApp Application Builder from Slate ?  How does it compare
with VisualBasic professional version ?  Any information is
very appreciated.


--
=================================================================
          NAME   Tommy Hsieh
          EMAIL  tommy.hsieh@sun.com
          PHONE  415-336-3503 (work)
=================================================================
From: ggolden@msen.com (Glenn R. Golden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Penpoint, EO & SW
Date: 22 Jan 1993 03:30:46 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

I'm getting ready to get an EO - whenever they come out!
The latest Byte has coverage which says about now, and I
have a call into EO to find out for sure...

I am a software architect / designer, and want to use this
as my key machine to do my job.

What I want to know is what software we know is available
or in the works for PenPoint / EO.  Here's what I will do with
my EO:

Words
 - document creation
 - conversion to / from word for windows format (company standard)
 - spell checking

Drawings
 - Object Oriented Analysis and Design drawings
 - other less structured drawings (diagrams, slides)
 - of course, mixed in with my words

Communications
 - Email, via Internet dialup
 - Email, via Eithernet Novel Lan Microsoft Mail v3

Reading
 - reading word documents, emails...

Programming
 - Smalltalk for PenPoint (sounds like a great idea!)
 - A Dylan implementation, or CLOS or something like that?
   [I'd use my MS-DOS machine for 'C' level work]

Games
 - I wonder what games would fit in well with the notebook
   concept (open up a page and get an air traffic controller
   game!, open another and get board games ...)

It would be great if the OO programming env. would make use of all
built in and installed classes (i.e. all installed software), as
well as contribute user defined classes, and if the programming
interface was well integrated with the document architecture ...

I've seen the GO catalog (a bit old), and there seems to be just 
a few apps out for Penpoint...  How about PD / shareware stuf?
Or just usefull classes ...

Any information or comments are welcome... Post!

- Glenn R. Golden  |  Global Architect @ Comshare, Inc. |  Ann Arbor, MI, USA.
  (home) ggolden@msen.com   (work) ggolden@comshare.com



Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: dale@manet.wustl.edu (Dale Frye)
Subject: RE: Newton
Reply-To: dale@manet.wustl.edu
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:17:10 GMT

dale@manet.wustl.edu (Dale Frye):
>> 
>> ... Larry just went on a one year sabbatical....
>
>hmmm ... that would be news to larry.
----------
I read about Larry's (supposely) sabbatical in MacWeek about a month or so  
ago. I guess the article was wrong. (I've been misquoted by a magazine  
also!) I'll retract that from the net.

----------
>
>> ... Active Book worked with Acorn to design the ARM610...
>
>i'm not sure you have your fact straight
>on this, either.  but that's all right.
----------
As far as Active Book helping design the ARM610, I'll have to dig up the  
article on that but I thought I had it straight. Maybe I'm off by a little  
bit. Maybe my source was wrong. Please correct me.


Dale Frye
Washington University in St. Louis
Pen Lab


Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: dale@manet.wustl.edu (Dale Frye)
Subject: Re: HELP:  Need Newton/HP95 help
Reply-To: dale@manet.wustl.edu
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:31:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.190544.5823@unix.brighton.ac.uk>  
rjb12@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Titch) writes:
> Yes, I know Newton is a technology, or even philosophy, and no  
particular
> computer (don't worry, this was made clear in my dissertation) -  
although
> owners of a Newton-range machine will probably call it just that, or  
some
> nickname thereof ("Newt").
> 
-----------------------
May I have a copy of your dissertation? Please let me know if there are  
any charges. Or maybe I can send you something. Are you interested in  
visual languages?

-----------------------
> DYLAN has been reported in some UK press as being the paradigm for the
> Newton's GUI/executive. As Apple don't make clear their immediate
> intentions for DYLAN, one can only speculate...
> 
-----------------------
From this week's MacWeek (01.18.93 p.119) The manager of communications  
products for the Newton group is quoted saying "DYLAN would not be  
supported or used in the first Newton device."

Dale Frye
Computer Science Dept
Washington University in St. Louis
Campus Box 1045
St. Louis, MO 63130  USA
dale@degas.wustl.edu
From: david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Videotape of "Cursive Recognition and PenPoint" (WPDO) available
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:00:04 PST
Organization: Greenwire Consulting, Palo Alto, CA, USA

[Here's an extract from the videotape catalog.  -- D.S.]

                  Worldwide PenPoint Developers Organization

                             Available Videotapes

                               January 20, 1992


         
Tape #10: WPDO Meeting #6                                 14-Jan-92   US$35
         Administrivia, Door Prizes, and announcements, and a talk by
         Dr. Ronjon Nag of Lexicus on "Cursive Recognition and
         PenPoint," including a demonstration of Lexicus Longhand.
         (96 minutes)
         

Shipping/handling: Add US$5 per tape for domestic orders, book rate.  Take a
$5 shipping discount for orders of three tapes, $10 for four or more tapes.
Foreign, first class, overnight, and counter-to-counter services are avail-
able; contact us, as shown below.

Tapes are in NTSC/VHS format.  PAL/SECAM and 8mm/Hi8/SVHS/BETA tapes may be
available; contact me.  Anyone can purchase a tape; WPDO members receive a
$5 per tape discount and can rent tapes for $10 per week.  (For WPDO info,
contact us.)  Payment must be received before tapes can be shipped.

You ARE allowed to make and distribute copies of the tapes.  Tapes are NOT
returnable.

Note: Except as noted, THESE ARE AMATEUR TAPES.  The audio and video tracks
contain all the information you expect, but you won't confuse these tapes
with Star Trek: The Next Generation, even though the subject matter is at
least as interesting!

______________________________________-______________________________________
David Schachter                                 david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us
801 Middlefield Road, #8                             ...!decwrl!llustig!david
Palo Alto, CA  94301-2916 USA       After 10 am, voice & fax: +1 415 328 7425
From: cew@netcom.com (Clayton Weimer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: Penpoint, EO & SW
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:10:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

ggolden@msen.com (Glenn R. Golden) writes:

>Words
>Drawings
>Communications
>Reading
>Programming
>Games

I just saw a pretty good Video I obtained from GO which is a bunch
of demos of various apps for PenPoint available today.  These mostly
cover the range of apps you're looking for.

Call 415-358-2040 to order it.  I think its called "PenPoint Third-Party
Applications" or something like that.

As far as OO diagramming, I know of at least one that implements
Booch notation and will be announced officially soon.  Funny, when
you hear silly Newton-heads talk about "a roughly drawn circle
is translated into a perfectly drawn one", makes you realize how far
behind they really are.

-- 
-- Clay             
                    These views are my own, and when they change my
                    observers will be notified.
   Obvion     
   cew@netcom.com
   off  408-227-1319
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: marsh@MITL.COM (Brian Marsh)
Subject: Call for Papers: WWOS-IV
Originator: marsh@wasabi
Organization: Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory, Princeton, NJ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:34:27 GMT


			   CALL FOR PAPERS
      Fourth Workshop on Workstation Operating Systems (WWOS-IV)
			   Napa, California
			 October 14-15, 1993

The Fourth Workshop on Workstation Operating Systems will bring
together researchers in operating systems for a range of
computing environments, including workstations, notebooks,
and palmtop computers.  The purpose of WWOS-IV is to examine
controversial issues in operating systems for these platforms.

In contrast to previous years, we request submissions of papers that
describe ongoing or completed research, as well as position papers
that propose new directions, advocate non-traditional approaches, or
generate controversy and discussion.

As well as traditional topics, this year's workshop will pay special
attention to issues relevant to the next generation of 
personal computing, including:

	- models and implementations for ubiquitous computing	
	- mostly connected/disconnected computing
	- protocols for low-bandwidth networking
	- scalable display and window management
	- real-time and multimedia
	- system requirements for virtual reality platforms
	- global, widely accessible, storage systems	
	- OS support for small-scale embedded systems

To assure a productive workshop, attendance will be limited to 60
participants active in the field.  Each potential participant should
submit 5 copies of a 1--5 page summary paper that makes clear its
contribution to the workshop.  Submissions should be mailed to the
program chair. For registration information, contact the general
chair.

IMPORTANT DATES
	Submission deadline: 		May 31, 1993
	Notification of acceptance: 	July 30, 1993

Program chair	Brian Bershad	
		Carnegie Mellon University
		School of Computer Science
	     	Carnegie Mellon University
               	5000 Forbes Avenue
               	Pittsburgh, PA,  15213-3891 USA
                (Brian.Bershad@CS.CMU.EDU)

General chair	Fred Douglis
		Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory
	       	182 Nassau Street, Third Floor
	       	Princeton, NJ,  08542-7072
             	609 497-460, 609 497-4013 (fax)
               	(douglis@mitl.com)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Program committee
		John Carter	University of Utah
	       	David Cheriton	Stanford University
	       	Dave Cutler	Microsoft
	       	Frans Kaashoek	Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	       	Brian Marsh	Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory
	       	Mike Schwartz	University of Colorado at Boulder
	       	Margo Seltzer	Harvard
	       	Mark Weiser	Xerox PARC
-- 
Brian Marsh
Matsushita Information Technology Laboratory  | Email: marsh@mitl.com
182 Nassau Street			      | Phone: +1 609 497-4600
Princeton, NJ  08542 USA		      | Fax:   +1 609 497-4013
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: ds@netcom.com (David Schachter)
Subject: Re: WPDO talk  "Cursive Recognition and PenPoint"
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:05:07 GMT

The sender's return address is invalid; "ristad@hart" is uncool because "hart"
is not a recognized hostname.  Consult your local postmaster or system admin-
istrator.

FYI, we publish meeting summaries in the WPDO newsletter and videotapes of WPDO
talks are available for purchase and, to members, for rent.  Please let me know
if you would like more information.  Thank you.

						-- David Schachter
-- 
 ____________________________________________________________________________
 David Schachter                                                ds@netcom.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: ristad@hart (Eric Sven Ristad)
Subject: WPDO talk  "Cursive Recognition and PenPoint"
Organization: Princeton University, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:42:30 GMT


Can someone who attended the 1/14/93 talk by Dr. Ronjon Nag of Lexicus
on "Cursive Recognition and PenPoint" please post a summary?  
How does Lexicus Longhand work, and how good is it?
Thanks!



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