HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Subject: Re: Masonic Designs in D.C. Street Layout!  See for yourself!
Reply-To: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 04:24:50 GMT


In a previous article, michael@paul.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin) says:

>Oh, yes, I forgot to say that the Marquis de LaFayette was also
>a Freemason if I'm not mistaken, and he was one of the planners
>of D.C. The story goes that there's no "J" street because of his
>dislike for Chief Justice John Jay...

Maybe you're just joking, but I can't help being a good dyed-in-the-wool
conspiracy theorist and taking everything deadly seriously, thus am 
compelled to point out that that story sounds like complete rubbish.
Perhaps the designers had good classical educations which informed
them that I and J were really the same letter in different guises, which
indeed they were in Latin.

There is no letter I in the Library of Congress classification. I wonder
what the Masonic interpretation for that is.
-- 
"The new designer CLUB colors are the          |       When the axe came 
perfect complement to today's lifestyle."      |       into the forest,
                                               |       the trees said, "The
       -- television advertisement             |       handle is one of us"
From: garrett@Ingres.COM (WHAT'S A MATTER YOU?)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: iran contra
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:33:00 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <30JUL199208202269@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>, hanlon@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Casey H writes...
>Prehaps Bob Bernstein can tell us why these popular Sandanistas were voted
>out of office when they finally allowed free elections to take place.
> 
>Casey Hanlon 

Buzzzz! Sorry wrong answer. The 1984 election was monitored by the U.N.,
and by thier opinion it was a fair and clean election. Check for yourself
if you don't believe me. The Sandanistas lost the 1988 elctions only after
the people of that country realized that the war would never stop until
the U.S. got what it wanted, the Sandanistas out.

Typical disclaimer

Garrett@Ingres.com
From: wmartin@STL-06SIMA.ARMY.MIL (Will Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: HOLY BLOOD and MESSIANIC LEGACY
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:21:39 GMT

I was wondering if anyone out there was familiar with and wished to
comment on, these books by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry
Lincoln:

HOLY BLOOD, HOLY GRAIL (I've also seen this listed as "THE HOLY BLOOD &
                                                  THE HOLY GRAIL")
THE MESSIANIC LEGACY

(There is also THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS DECEPTION, by the first two authors
only.)

I had never heard of these, but only yesterday saw an ad for THE MESSIANIC
LEGACY in a new Barnes & Noble mail-order book-sale catalog; the
description of it referred to it as being a sequel to HOLY BLOOD.  Now
comes the really strange part -- I had just bought a book off the
clearance-sale table at the Washington U bookstore: THREE-FISTED TALES OF
BOB, by Stang, a SubGenius book.  In it is a short piece by Robert Anton
Wilson, who I like, so I read it first.  In that, there is a reference to
HOLY BLOOD!  This bizarre coincidence seems to be a Divine message to look
at these Baigent et al books. (The hand of "Bob" works in mysterious ways! :-)

These books seem to be some sort of reference to conspiracy theories,
but what I don't know is if they are serious or if they are spoofs, like
Wilson's books are. I found them listed in the St. Louis public library
on-line catalog, and have requested them, so should be getting copies
next week. What can anyone tell me about these? 

Are there other books in this same genre I should look at?

Thanks for any info anyone can provide regarding these!

Regards, Will
wmartin@st-louis-emh2.army.mil OR wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil
From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Posting JFK stuff here? Why?
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:01:33 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


In article <2A6EA9D1.8AFE@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:

>If you didn't receive talk.abortion, would you post abortion
>discussion to alt.conspiracy, too?!

Yes, if there is some topic of CONSPIRACY involved with abortion.
JFK is a very "popular" topic of CONSPIRACY, therefore I think it
is appropriate to post to a group with CONSPIRACY in its name.
Look, I am not trying to be insulting, I just think it is suitable.

>Talk to your administrator about getting a.c.jfk.  In the meantime,

I did.  We get mostly more technical and academic related groups,
I don't see why that would include alt.conspiracy though...
 
>_please_ don't cross-post inappropriately.  DEREK, THIS MEANS YOU.

Well Derek, try not to flood s.s. and a.c. with questions now...  :-)


Brandon

Brandon S. Ou               Computer Science    
University of Arizona       Tucson, Arizona
Internet:  bsou@caslon.cs.arizona.edu
" It's up to YOU... "  - Kevin Costner as Jim Garrison, "JFK" 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ho ding <hoding@waffle.sns.com>
Subject: Re: News release today (burma incident)
Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA  94539-6669
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 01:55:22 PDT

Come on, the only reason for continued airstrikes would be a conspiracy to 
cover up Bush's lacking (?) domenstic policy(?), and re-focus our attention 
to the Reagan years of military build up being "put to good use" by our so 
called president.
 
9K>ho>ding> || hoding@west.darkside.com || hoding@waffle.sns.com 

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From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Come on, who was it bet me $50???
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:13:15 GMT
Reply-To: bill@platypus.uofs.edu
Organization: University of Scranton, Scranton, PA

In article <1992Jul21.194741.20564@dscomsf.desy.de>, hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker) writes:
|> In article <10897@platypus.uofs.uofs.edu>, bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill
|> Gunshannon) writes:
|> |>
|> |>Gee, it's too bad you excluded pilots.  The US Ambassador to the UN
|> |>was
|> |>sabre rattling this morning and mentioned that if IRAQ doesn't stop
|> |>holding
|> |>out on the UN inspections, massive air strikes are very likely.  he
|> |>said
|> |>these would likely be carried out by US and UK pilots. (There were
|> |>others,
|> |>but only US and UK were mentioned in this thread.)  Of course, if we
|> |>start
|> |>bombing again, there is always the chance that we'll send ground
|> |>troops in 
|> |>again to finish what we should have the last time.
|> 
|> Using an air strike to take out the heavy artillery would seem like a
|> good move. Problem is the likelyhood of subsequent terrorism. Without
|> the imbalance in forces the Serbs are likely to take a much more
|> reasonable line. The problem then is to stop the Croations from anexing
|> the parts of Bosnia they have taken.
|> 

Take out what heavy artillery??  Serbs?? Croatians??  Bosnia??

Read what I said. The UN Ambassador was talking about our re-starting
bombing in IRAQ not in Yugoslavia.

Or is this just another dis-information conspiracy?   :-)

bill

-- 

     Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement wasn't here,
     bill@platypus.uofs.edu   |  This space would be left intentionally blank
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,pa.general,phl.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: Congress and the balaced budget scam
Reply-To: pajerek@kadsma.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:17:06 GMT

In article <84357@netnews.upenn.edu> david@mail.sas.upenn.edu (R. David Murray) writes:

>Not to mention that any such person would /never/ get the support of either
>major party. (Today.  In four years that may change.)

Such a candidate wouldn't be likely to attract any funding from the special
interests, either, and without funding, there is no campaign.

Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
From: revpk@cellar.org (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Skeptics are Everywhere Damn It!
Date: 20 Jul 92 14:15:58 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

lpb@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM writes:

> For crying out loud ... 2 whacks on the you know what!
> 
> This is alt.conspiracy.  The very name implies the possibility of truth
> contrary to what the mainstream media tries to shove down our throats.
> 
> Would you card-carrying skpetics please stay in your own arena?! Sci.skeptic.
> I'm begginning to wonder about you boys.  In fact, some of you seem to show
> up *suddenly* ... never having been here before, suspicously well timed
> with the advent of specific posted topics that are well known gvt cover ups.
> 
        gee, I dunno, aren't conspiracy-theorists always remarking on how 
_skeptical_ they are of whatever the 'official' version of events is?

> Watch out boys ..... say hi to the Central Idiots Agency.  Not all but I susp
> some of these people are not who they say they are but are in fact covert
> CIA and/or NSA agents whose job it is to read or somehow monitor
> all the net BBS's and when coming upon a sensitive topic, jump in and provide
> the standard government debunl line to maintain the cover up.
        Aw hell, boys, we've been FOUND OUT!
> 
> Len
> 
> DISCLAIMER: I am an American citizen. And as such cannot tolerate any longer 
> manipulation of my country by those factions that would line their own pocket
> at the expense of American lives. Be a patriot today. Stamp out covert agenci
> NOW! FBI/CIA/NSA/CFR/MJ12/Bilderburgers/IRS/King George Bush/Kissenger
> 
> DOUBLE DISCLAIMER: These opinions are my own and in no way reflect the 
> opinions that may be held by my employer.

        You realize that if ANYone on this echo really were part of the 
conspiracies you outlined above, and acted in the way you supposed, you 
wouldn't have an employer to make that disclaimer worthwhile.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian "Rev. P-K" Siano                                  revpk@cellar.org
"Best Reason Not to Vote for Perot-- If he wins, it might encourage Bill 
Gates to run." 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Subject: Re: Iran Contra ie Walsh out to influence the Nov. vote
Reply-To: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 04:27:58 GMT


In a previous article, hanlon@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Casey Hanlon SVER)) says:

>So on the eve of the Republican convention special prosecutor Walsh
>is going to indicte former president Reagan.  The timing smacks of
>political dirty tricks, after all Walsh has only been investigating
>this thing for 6 years.  
>
>Casey Hanlon   
>
I am almost sure that Lawrence Walsh is a Republican. I believe the
reason for the timing of the indictments is that a certain time limit
is placed on his appointment as independent counsel -- not the convention.
-- 
"The new designer CLUB colors are the          |       When the axe came 
perfect complement to today's lifestyle."      |       into the forest,
                                               |       the trees said, "The
       -- television advertisement             |       handle is one of us"
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: studier@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Jim Studier)
Subject: Re: Posting JFK stuff here? Why?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:50:19 GMT

dbushong@wang.com (Dave Bushong) writes:

>Why do people post JFK stuff here?  I thought there was a different
>place for that.  Don't get me wrong, it's interesting to me, but
>one time I posted something into the wron variant of a 'C' newsgroup
>and I got so much pipe up the a** for it, I was just a little surprised
>that JFK stuff gets posted here.

>Well?

We don't get alt.conspiracy.jfk so this is the only place I can get the JFK
stuff.

        Jim Studier  (studier@ninja.life.uiuc.edu)

>-- 
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>Wang Laboratories, Inc.             +        no bald spot, no nothin!!
>Internet: dbushong@wang.com         +-------------------------------------
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From: rcsjp@cgl.rmit.oz.au (Jason Pouflis)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Spiro Agnew, Nixon & Scandals.
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:23:56 GMT
Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology

Spiro Agnew  <--> grow a penis
From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: A Suppressed AU AIDS Cure!
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:30:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.24911
Reply-To: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov
Distribution: na
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.197
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <606300045@peg.pegasus.oz.au>, nexus@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes...
> 
>OZONE HAS CURED AIDS IN OVER 300 CASES
> 
>BY ED McCABE

If everything you wrote is true, then why not get these 300 people together
in a big auditorium and hold a press conference where they all can produce
the medical records of their previous HIV infection, and let them tell the 
world?

What about the tens of thousands of AIDS activists here is SF and elsewhere
around the country who are rather viciously going after the FDA and the 
medical community for their inability to deal quickly enough the with 
epidemic.  What do these people have to gain from not recognizing the truth
about ozone therapy?  Why don't they all just go out and buy Tesla coils 
to stick in their living rooms to fill the air with ozone?

-Scott

--------------------
Scott I. Chase			"The question seems to be of such a character
SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV		that if I should come to life after my death
				and some mathematician were to tell me that it
				had been definitely settled, I think I would
				immediately drop dead again."      - Vandiver
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Posting JFK stuff here? Why?
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:45:05 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou):
>I don't receive ...jfk, so I have to post it here.  :-)

If you didn't receive talk.abortion, would you post abortion
discussion to alt.conspiracy, too?!

Talk to your administrator about getting a.c.jfk.  In the meantime,
_please_ don't cross-post inappropriately.  DEREK, THIS MEANS YOU.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Come on, who was it bet me $50???
Date: 25 Jul 92 19:55:01 GMT
Reply-To: gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <4857@tuegate.tue.nl> gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl writes:
>it (and may well do - I dunno).  I'm just saying that those cynics among
>us said around last november that something like this would happen now,
>and were lambasted for our cynicism.  (I *wish* I'd kept archives!)

Well well well... a nice man from kremvax.hq.su just sent me this
from his files, saying I'd wait forever if I asked for the original
copy in the nsa archives... ;-)

Wasn't actually all that nasty now I see it again.  Funny how memory
plays tricks on you.  Still, it's worth a repeat with a new October
Surprise (well, maybe September) on the cards...

G
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 Article 4148 (20 more) in alt.conspiracy:
 From: rdippold@maui.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
 Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism.d
 Subject: Re: Eight Pretexts for the Invasion of Cuba
 Message-ID: <rdippold.685111210@maui>
 Date: 17 Sep 91 12:40:10 GMT
 References: <9109141946.6928@mydog.UUCP> <rdippold.684997613@maui> <1875@tuegate.tue.nl>
 Sender: news@qualcomm.com
 Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
 Lines: 17
 Nntp-Posting-Host: maui.qualcomm.com
 
 gtoal@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl (Graham Toal) writes:
 >In article <rdippold.684997613@maui> rdippold@maui.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
 >:One point I see missing... any reason to invade Cuba.  The country is
 >:going to hell in a handbasket, it's people are fleeing to the US, even
 >:some of its best military and other minds.  With the USSR withdrawing
 >:more support, it's getting even worse.  Cuba serves as no real threat
 >:to the US - it's only threat was as a Soviet staging base.  As it is
 >:now, it provides an excellent example of the perils of communism for
 >:the US.  No need to make it a martyr when it can just implode by itself.
 >Ah.  The sweet innocence of youth.
 
 I apologize.  I assume that in time I will eventually turn into a
 bitter old fart who sees a evil conspiracy behind everything, who is
 convinced that nobody is really worth a shit, and who eventually, in a
 moment of extreme bitterness, will commit suicide by overdosing on downers.
 -- 
 Standard disclaimer applies, you legalistic hacks.     |     Ron Dippold
From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: BACK TO LIMBAUGH'S SECRET NONAGENDA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:53:32 -0500

 JS>  Particularly in light of the fact that what brought me
 JS>  back was reading the hate mongering about me.  It is real
 JS>  hard to ignore it when people are telling lies about me.

What *really* brought you back was the fact that people quickly ignored and
forgot all about you.  They all went on to other issues that have greater
bearing on everyone's lives.  All that shows is you hold very little weight and
that you don't rank much real worth.  So you felt you had to return and start
things up again, as usual.  The only thing you thrive on...are lies.

Must feel sad to be forgotten so quickly, isn't it.
From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee <cberlet@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 19 Jul 92 21:03 PDT
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton == John Birch Society 
Nf-ID: #R:cup.portal.com:62249:cdp:1299600051:000:1111
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet    Jul 19 21:03:00 1992



It was a real surprise to hear Clinton mention Carroll Quigley. The next
day our research group received several phone calls from others who
caught the reference. The "Blue Book" would be the bible of the John
Birch Society. Welch's "The Politician" was controversial within the
JBS, as was Welch's claim that Eisenhower was a communist agent. Still,
"Tragedy and Hope" is still very popular in far right conspiracist
circles, and most people who traffic in lurid undocumented conspiracies
condemn those with other conspiracy theories which do not agree with
their own---witness the current feud between John Judge and David
Emory.
   It is ironic to see a note from Andy Lang at Christic. He cut off
my access to the Christic conference on Peacenet after I asked why
Christic's Danny Sheehan and Father Bill Davis had refused to 
distance themselves from their former pal "Bo" Gritz. Gritz is now
running on the Populist Party ticket. Gritz thinks Jewish bankers
secretly control the American economy and the supermarket bar codes
are part of a satanic conspiracy.

-Chip Berlet
Political Research Associates
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Come on, who was it bet me $50???
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 16:37:58 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA

In article <4848@tuegate.tue.nl> gtoal@stack.urc.tue.nl writes:

>That's rather weasely...  Mind you, even after eliminating the two
>most likely targets, there's *still* a good chance of a timely
>hit on Iraq... in fact, they can pull that one any time they
>like: as far as I know, Saddam's obstruction of the UN inspectors
>hasn't changed much recently - it's just getting more publicity
>to soften up the US public for another air-strike... which brings
>me to the real weaseling: why rule out airstrikes?  That's exactly
>the sort of operation that you'd pull off to yank the election
>chain.  Like the Libya strike a couple of years ago.

Why would you necessarily connect a strike on Iraq with the election? (Yes,
I understand it's timely and convenient for Bush) Frankly, I think it's
damned well time that the UN finished the job and either took Saddam _out_
or so reduced his military that _they_ would take him out. The downside
risks are substantial, but I still feel it's time to finish the job and put
the man _down_. Don't you think the UN/US might do that with justification,
without the added "bonus" of benefit to Bush, simply because it needs doing?

>Ditto why insist on US injuries?  That's totally incidental to the
>argument, which was  that some military action would be taken
>to get the public in a jingoistic mood so they'd vote Bush back
>on a landslide.  For those purposes a 'quick surgical strike'
>with no US losses would be ideal, otherwise we'd hear arguments
>about "how many of our boys do you want to kill to win you
>the next election?"...

While my cynical nature is well known, I still feel it is just as easy to
lose the cynicism in this case, and still call for a strike against Iraq.
Clinton made it clear he would not oppose UN-mandated military response if
it came to that, and so did Gore. American leadership looks pretty united on
this issue, election or no election.

I think a UN action in Yugoslavia would go down well, too - Canadians in
Bosnia are getting shelled, and folks are still being killed on a regular
basis - perhaps it is time to put an end to it, with force if need be, by
disarming the Serbs, and assuring protection to all sides.

-- 
"The mass killings by shooting proved cumbersome and expensive. Too many
people were needed to shoot 33,711 Jews on September 29 and 30, 1941, at
Babi Yar near Kiev. Eventually, close to 100,000 corpses filled that
ravine, mostly of Jews, but also of partisans and saboteurs." [Laska]
From: M Maxwell
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 22 Jul 1992 14:05:42 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws80.ucsd.edu
Keywords: clonz

In article <aZZ9NB1w164w@bluemoon.rn.com> garys@bluemoon.rn.com (Gary Stollman)
writes:
>I wish to make it known that the sysop of this system is completely 
>innocent of tampering with my signon and I was wrong to accuse him of 
>such...However, SOMEONE did forge those letters that I supposedly wrote 
>from here, and other places as well
(deletia)

Of course the obvious answer is that the clones did it.  I don't know
why you haven't already thought of that.

-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

Hey you kids!  Don't touch that, it's ART!