HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:18:07 GMT

elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes:

>I am not quite sure of the reason why Joyous Dave is sick of people
>claiming that Xi Zang should be independant.  Tibet is a Autonomous
>Region because people in Tibet decided to do so.  That was a long
>history.  They have their own culture, language, religion, life-style
>and their own leadership, just like Mongolia.  They have every right to
>live in their own land, using their own language and follow their own
>life-style.  If China thinks these things are not torlerable and they
>have to be changed, Xi Zang faces its own choice. 

1/4 of China's Nukes are in Xi Zang.  For the sake of security, (especially
when India and Pakistan have Nukes) it's better to absorb Xi Zang into
an integral, inseperable part of China.

Also, we know from Chinese History that many Civilizations (Barbarians)
have been assimilated into the Hans culture, in particularly the Manchus
and the Mongols, I don't see a problem with Zang.

>For economical reason, I would not suggest China to use a MTR system to
>ship tones of coal mine.  MTR system is mainly for fast and rapid
>transportation for a short distance travel, such as in HongKong and
>Singapore.  It is also expensive to be built.  

The point is, of course, to use new and more efficient trains, the ones
that HKG Railway uses... sorry about mentioning MTR, I thought HK MTR and
HK Rail belong to the same company.

>>6)  Following up to 1 and 2, please re-claim Mongolia and parts of
>>NW China (which was given to Russia after the Sino-Russian War).  It
>>is China's proud to re-unite a Greater China, and re-claim former
>>teritories.  For that matter, help Taiwan to pressure Japan to return
>>Liou Qiou Islands (North of Taiwan)... The Japanese should've returned
>>them in Aug 1945.. why didn't China claim them then, I don't know!

>What Greater China ?  I think we don't need another "Great Japan",
>"Great Soviet Union" or "Great Nazi", do we ?  I will suggest the
>government to work on its economy and environmental issue instead.

I think it's fair to re-claim the teritories which are rightfully
China's.  Outer Mongolia was a part of China until the Russians invaded,
and forced it to declare independance.  And China, being a "Little
Brother" of USSR, agreed to it... mainly because of loss of War.
I wonder what will happen if UK decided to recognize HKG independance?
It would be the same.  It is a part of China until all the "unequal"
treaties signed after unjustified Wars.

>I am not sure if Australian really put down Asian cultures.

I'm glad, you don't even live here!  :-)

>Have a nice day. 

Have a nice day waking up the "Sleeping Dragon".

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23897 soc.culture.hongkong:10134
From: lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Awards To Medalists, What A Waste!
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:51:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Aug25.175158.1279
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis Oregon

In article <92238.104240PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>From reports so far, a chinese Olympic gold medalist could get as many as
>230,000 RMB yuan (80,000 from the government, 50,000 from a beverage factory
>in China, 100,000 from a Hongkong richman) not including a gold can promised
>by another soda factory. These money are wasted (well Almost). The winners
>surely deserve the awards. But these huge amount of money did not play the
>far more important role: inspiration of devotion to sports, more gold medals
>in the future. Just read the People's Daily, you will see why. They are so
>shy (or shame) to report the awards to athlets. Any article about awards
>was printed as less remarkable as possible. They just wished they could
>find tiny fond to print such reports.
>230,000 yuan would stimulate many, many, many more people to train hard, to
>become better and better athlets. I have no doubts that those athlets thought
>more about the awards for themself than honors for the country when they were
>at the Game. I not blaming them. That is nothing wrong. I am just poiting out
>that money is reason people are working for. I am so disappointed that the
>chinese media didn't try their best to let every chinese know the awards those
>Olympic medalists got.

What a interesting thought!  I can think of a better way to motivate the
athletes.  During training, a coach would carry a bag of money (actually
gold coins is better) and when the athelte perform well, the coach would
award the athlete with money and pat their heads and said,"Good!! Good!!"

During competitions, the coaches can hold up bags of money to show the athletes
and if they win then the money is given to them.

And for the headlines in newspapers, we should print:  
   "XXX won $100,000 for his gold medal in Olympic!"

And on TV we can show how the athletes spend their money. So how a program
that is named "Lifestyles of the Rich and Athletic"?

Hmm ... we probably need a slogan in China too.  
So how about "Medal for Money!"?


:-)   :-)


--Ben Lam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong)
Subject: Re: The Future of China
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 09:33:33 GMT

In article <78640@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.071118.2918@sinix.UUCP> shu@sinix.UUCP (Leif Schumacher) writes:
>
>>The result of these points lead to the questions:
>>
>>	1) How could this transition happen ?
>
>Most likely internal change from the CCP.  Deng Xiao Ping doesn't seem
>to understand the political consequences of the economic changes in
>China.

Deng understand this very clear. Please read 'slected works of Deng'
(Deng xiao ping wen xuan), article 'why should we insist four princles?'
Deng implies in his article that he insists or keep on so called four
basic principles (mainly the leadership of CCP), not because Maxism-Leninism
is the truth, but only based on the fact that China is still a country
with more than 80 per cent of its population are farmers and economy is still
primitive in most areas.
  
>It's impossible to have the government reduce its role in the
>economy, without people eventually wanting a more open society.
>
>On the other hand, it seems that there were and probably are a lot of
>people within the CCP who do understand this connection between
>politics and economics.  (Zhao ZiYang and Hu YaoBang to name two
>names.)
>

Deng is not so naive as Zhao or Hu. He thinks an iron (only politically)
CCP is necessary to secure the peaceful transition. He may have to kill
some students (don't be emotional, guys), otherwise entire China would become
a battle field (just see SCC, you will understand why).

>>	2) What type of government will follow ?
>
>Probably a one-party dominant system.  (This seems to be the rule in
>East Asia.)  The one party that is dominant will likely be the
>successor to the CCP.  Within the dominant political party, there will
>be lots of different factions based more on personal loyalities than on
>ideological issues.  Political arguments will have a highly "moralistic"
>flavor that is largely missing from Western politics.  The media will be
>highly polarized, some papers taking a strong pro-government stand, and 
>some taking a strong anti-government stand.  You'll on occasion have 
>fist fights in the NPC. 
>
agree.

>>	3) How long and when will this transition occur ? 
>
>How long?  It will likely take a few years.  In general, the changes will
>be gradual, and hence you'll probably not see reports about in the evening 
>news in the United States.
>
>When?  Within 20 years or so.
>
depend on how long the life of Mr. Deng or Mr. Yang Shangkun, etc.

Huachen Pan
Finland
------------------
the account is not mine


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:07:27 GMT

In article <65500040@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> 
> >First, It's great to see you expose your "lovely" personality more and more  
> >through losing your temper again and again. Good, keep going! Next, it seems  
> >that it is you who are poisoned by the old Chinese culture by looking at the  
> >way you debate with others. Your are really something that our ansester feel  
> >proud of.  
> How do you know I lost my temper, it's only a small CASE(remind you here
> fashionable taiwanese use this word very frequently |:-)).

Well, so you did not lose your temper. Good, in this case you were just  
quietly, calmly and patiently spitting your "gentle" words around the net. So,  
this is part of your habit, isn't it?! May I ask you a question? Were you from  
a bad neighborhood or you are just a very quick learner from your chemistry  
professor?


> >Also, it's interesting to see from your another post about your chemistry  
> >professor's choosing "gentel" words. It seem to me that you are a good  
student >of his. Let's pray that your professor will one day have a chance to  
read this >news group and amazingly find that he did not notice that he had a  
good  
> >student. Good luck and keep fit!

> What I want to say is that you are caring too many irrelevant things.
> "gentel" is only a type error(this show you great "personality" again by
> your theory),
> this remain me of "hui2 xiang1 dou4 de
> hui1 you2 si4 zhong2 xie2 fa3), still remember LuXun's story?
> 
> 
> Ze Yang

Oh, boy! You are tough! You know I am not good at "pinying", so you use pinying  
to fool me. Fortunately I got a friend from Beijing who is pretty good at  
pinying. I had to admit that it took him about two minutes to figure out what  
you tried to say. Both of us were very happy to solve a tough puzzle. Before my  
friend left, he made a comment on your pinying skill. He said "this Ze Yang's  
pinying is lousy! He simply doesn't know the tones."

I knew my friend made a terrible mistake. He shouldn't have commented on a  
culture elite's pinying skill. Also, I notice that you were curiously asking  
for people's real name around the net like a secret policeman. Fortunately, my  
friend and I are now in the US and we can have a bit of privacy. Sorry, Mr.  
Yang, I can not tell you his real name to protect him, his family and even his  
ancestor from possible denger.  But, well, I can give you some information to  
satisfy you curiosity: my friend was from Beijing Normal University, the same  
university Wuer Kaxi went. You won't lose your temper, will you?! 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: D61O@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de (One of 100 millions ZHANGs)
Subject: Re: Do I need HK visa to go China ?
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:14:20 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
Organization: Technical University Darmstadt, Germany

< > I am planing to have a round trip to China and I will transfer my
< > flight at HongKong airport. Do I need to apply a HongKong visa if I
< >just stay in airport ? I hold a Chinese passport. Thanks for any help.
< 

NO !

====================================================================
J.Z.
d61o@br2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Anonymous post!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: who am I?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.030429.16193@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> who@guess.guess.forever.etc writes:
>Who says anonymous posting is not possible. Can you figure out the
>originator of this post? Send me a request and I will tell you how!
>					            A.P.

Not quite anonymous. Anyway it is no big deal. Many competent 
netters can do it with total anonymity. However, if you are not
a superuser, beware that you activities maybe logged. Alsoo remember 
that harassing someone is a crime.  It takes the fun out of posting
as you could not be reached via email for further discussion 
and  you cannot take credit for having said something profound 8).

 

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23972 soc.culture.taiwan:12431 soc.culture.hongkong:10168
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: What About Tibet?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:22:30 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto

In article <1992Aug26.053313.10212@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pcalvert@nyx.cs.du.edu (P. Calvert) writes:
>
>
>yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) wrote:
>>Actually, both statement are true, Dalai Lama and most his followers
>>were slave holder, they kill their slaves and use their slave's blood 
>>as sacrifice.
>--
> 
>This lie is so ridiculous it's pathetic.  You would have us believe that
>the Dalai Lama, a man who opposes killing (it is completely against
>Buddha Dharma), has killed people and used their blood as a sacrifice?
>You insult our intelligence.
> 
Dyrrr.  Do you really think the Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama, and the 
bunch of minor living buddhas's Tibet is a holy land?  Of course
people gets killed under the god-king government.  Maybe not blood
sacrifice, but torture and killing of slaves and serfs are not unusual
at all.  Certainly not at the hands of the Lamas, but at the hands of
Tibetan nobles who ran the government under DAlai and Panchen, owns
the 2nd half of Tibet(the temples owns the first half). Since the living
buddhas were bought to the palace since childhood, they were always
manipulated and educated to protect the power of land & slave owners, they
represent their interest, they are the symbols to keep the people
obiedent, let them believe they would find less hardship or even
happiness in the next life if they serve their masters well in this
life, if not they would turn out to be cows and horses in the next life
of course.  

Sure we should not believe everything the Communist media said, but don't
take what NBC or CNN told you for granted either.  Think before you
believe.   


>P.S.  Please don't take this personally. I'm not calling you a liar since
>you probably believe this fiction created by your government.
>
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shen Tong (grabbed)
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:43:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Btyp8s.E34
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Sep2.170943.17110@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>Of course the implication of your post is that you are culturally paranoid.
>How do you know someone wasn't simply making a reasonable translation into
>English.  Everyone knows China is a *very lawful* country, that's the problem.
>

China is too lawful.
China is too lawless.

That is the problem.
From: junzhang@acpub.duke.edu (Huilai Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Info. about Korean Air needed !
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:01:36 GMT

In article <BtMHIv.LJt@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, yuechen@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (yueting chen) writes:
> 
> Hello, there,
> 	Can any of you who have taken Korean Air tell me its phone number? 
> Is there any travel agent which acts as the representative of Korean Air? If 
> yes, what's the phone number? Please post your responses here or e-mail to me 
> at yuechen@ucs.indiana.edu. Seems there are quite lot of people(please correct
> me if my usage of word 'people' here is wrong) interested in this topic. Any

I'm also interested in Korean Air. Send me an email too.

H. Zhang	junzhang@acpub.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cs921022@ariel.yorku.ca (MING HE)
Subject: test
Organization: CS, York Univ., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:44:58 GMT


~~~ 
Ming  He                       / ------ +-+ +--+ "Are you believing that soul 
                              /| |-| |  |-| |--|  lives independently from    
Video: cs101442@sol.Yorku.CA   | |_| |  +-+ |--|  the physical existing?"     
Audio: (416) 669-6427  [H]     |     |      /  |                -- H.M.       
*|-|*|\/|*|-|*|\/|* IMAGING THE UNIVERSE STARTED FROM A DOT *|-|*|\/|*|-|*|\/|*
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cease fire! Save SCC!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 07:29:59 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne


In article <1992Aug26.050146.21692@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu) writes:
|> 
|>     Hi, did everybody see what SCC is now, a dangerious
|> battlefield! Do we need pleading with UN for peacekeeping
|> troops? Think about it what SCC functions should be. I
|> guess it should be a bridge to exchange information and
|> knowledge. Though not for friendship, at least not for
|> hostile. 
|>     Dear Mr. Libucha, Mr. Twaint(?), Mr. Dave Mclane and
|> Mr. Carl or anyother Tibet-Independent supportters or 
|> Japanese imperial army protecters, why don't you go to
|> the UN to talk to them or the Chinese government representitives
|> It's more effective if you could convince them. Or else post
|> your beliefs to the newsgroup such Indepent.Tibet or 
|> Japanese-no-guilty.ww2 if available ( maybe you could creat).
|> Please leave SCC to be a nice place for Chinese or non_Chinese
|> readers. Otherwise We will shout with "no" polite "get out here!"
|> 
|> cqu

What they need to do is to talk/argue/fight/kill things over in 
talk.politics.china which is for that purpose and not taking scc as
the killing fields. By the way, it could be something that you cannot change,
where there are Chinese, there are arguments and fightings for whatever
somehow trivial reasons.

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: scrotch@milton.u.washington.edu (Lou Ciphre)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shen Tong's Showdown
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:58:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.scrotch.715456717
Organization: University of Washington

I990002@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU (T. Bao) writes:


>It is really interesting that Shen Tong's timing to trigger the most
>sensitive nerve between China and US coincided with several big things.
>His wisdom and calculation was used to the best. Very impressive.
>His sacrifice will definitely trade off: passage of greencard bill,
>endorsement of congresspersons and Democrat's precident candidate.
>No, he won't sacrifice that much because the US will take care of him
>very well. That's for sure. Masters always take care of their running
>dogs.

>Shen is giving Bush a pair of small, yes, very small, shoes to wear. The
>shoes are so small that Bush is in real miserable situation. I feel sorry
>for George that even with his well established political skill he may
>still lose his career in the hands of a young democrat from China. Who says
>that Chinese Americans are not very good at politics?! Look at the
>new immigrants from China and you will get encouraged. Some of them
>may get into Clinton's cabinet. If I were Clinton, I would promote Shen
>to be the embassador to Beijing. The reason: Yellow can only be beat
>by Yellow ( Yi3 Huang2 Zhi4 Huang2). ;0

Aren't you overestimating the importance of the role this event plays
in national (U.S.) politics by just a little bit?

- Lou
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Shen Tong's arrest
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:11:00 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Anybody read yesterday's article on talk.politics.china about
Shen Tong's arrest? 

Accoding to that article, Shen's going back hoem and being arrested
was set up by some American PR organization in order to win the 
Protection Bill and to embarrase the CCP. Sounds pretty fishy to
me.

What do you think?

c.q.
From: zyou@aludra.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CCP's new leniency.
Date: 31 Aug 1992 13:13:27 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug31.123816.1@max.u.washington.edu> shiping@max.u.washington.edu writes:

>No matter what purposes are for CCP to show new leniency, my question 
>is: shall we trust CCP, or, in other word, is CCP trustable?  In order to 
>answer this question, let's check CCP's record.  In late 50's, CCP launched 

  My parents told me, don't come back. They are veteran CCP member.
I will listen to their 'Lao Ren Yen' (old man's words), other wise
'Chi qui za yand qian' (misery ahead)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:25:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.192924.2705@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>The weakest and evilest persons are those who want to oppress other people  
>while they themselve are under oppression.
>
You must be talking about the Roman! Will or will not you let the minorities
to rule the US for the next hundred year?! Just to get even if you want to
learn something about history.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:46:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.211803.1203@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.200012.6777@midway.uchicago.edu> xc17@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Aug28.185849.10234@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>>>
>>>	Hmm, what happens if the mice somehow immigrate into a tiger hole
>>>and live happily thereafter?  :-)
>
>>The previousely immgrated mice will sure team up with cats, try everything 
>>they can to convince yet-to-immigrate mice that tiger hole is an
>>awful place to live.
>
>
>	Or better, just set a deadline line 4/11......
>
>    Eddie

  First of all, the deadline has nothing to with the mice.
  Second, the deadline does not block other mice to immigrate
  into the tiger hole.

-ping

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,alt.chinese.text
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject:  HXWZ - Cooking Recipt
Organization: MITRE
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:39:26 GMT

I am interesting in collecting cooking recipt in  HXWZ.  Is there any
method I can get all of these recipt without ftp(ing) the whole HXWZ
document?  Thanks.