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From: buis@buengc.bu.edu (Biomed Dept I.S.L.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Nitpicking... (Was Re: The Balkan Dance of Death [Macedonia])
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:03:47 GMT
Reply-To: buis@buengc.bu.edu (Biomed Dept I.S.L.)
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Dec11.221217.16561@cas.org> vkb57@cas.org writes:
>>>>Yavor Parashkevov
>>BTW,  do the Macedonians use the word adash?
>No, they don't,  but i asked around and found out what it means
>> Vassil Peytchev
>Vasil Babamov

	As far as I know, the turkish word "ADASH" (a person with the same 
name) is used in Macedonia, but almost exclusively by the older people and 
the people from the country side. Younger people and the ones exposed to the 
educational system use the word "imenjak" , which has been adopted from 
Serbian.

	Regards,

		Lou
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: pavlovic-milan@yale.edu (Milan Pavlovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Zelenasi su teroristi.
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:14:14 GMT
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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  Iz "Borbe" od 20. Novembra, 1992.
===============================================================================
			Saopstenje MUP Crne Gore

			   Liberali razoruzani


Podgorica.-Rukovodstvo Liberalne stranke smatralo je da boravak u Bijelom 
Polju ne bi bio bezbjedan i pored uvjeravanja MUP-a Crne Gore da su preduzete
sve mjere bezbjednosti.  Preduzete mjere pripadnika MUP-a RCG u cilju 
bezbjednog kretanja kolone vozila sa clanovima i simpatizerima Liberalnog
saveza, kao i efikasna akcija pripadnika MUP-a, na deblokadi puta u Mojkovcu,
nije bila dovoljna garancija rukovodstu Stranke za nastavak puta.

  - Preduzetim mjerama pripadnika Republickog MUP-a utvrdjeno je da su 
pripadnici Liberalnog Saveza na promotivni skup u Bijelo Polje posli naoruzani.
Kod Krivokapic Ranka i Strugar Viktora clana Liberalnog saveza CG, pronadjena
je automatska puska sa tri okvira municije.  Prilikom pretresa vozila sa
pripadnicima Liberalnog saveza CG, u mjestu Lepenac, pronadjene su i oduzete
dvije automatske puske, dva pistolja i revolver - navodi se u Saopstenju.

  Istog dana u Mojkovcu su, oko 16,30 casova liseni slobode Boskovic Veselin i
Ilic Zvonko obojica autoprevoznici iz Mojkovca, kao i Obrenovic Dragan iz
Kolasina, koji su teretnim vozilima blokirali magistralni put Mojkovac -
Bijelo Polje.
							S. Vukasinovic
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  Dakle, kako se moze videti, zelenasi se ne ustrucavaju da nose sa sobom
puske i pistolje, odnosno spremni su da se bave teroristickim zlodelima.  
Zelenasi su teroristi - sta se drugo moze ocekivati od pokvarenih UJDI-jevaca,
kojima je truli "Monitor" zajedno sa tjednikom "Vreme" sigurno omiljeni list.

Pozdrav,
Milan Pavlovic
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		M A C E D O N I A  =  H E L L A S
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: adoption
From: blinky@nim.gac.edu (Laurie Cooper)
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:22:52 -0600
Distribution: world

Does anyone know of a government agency or other such institution to work  
with the adoption of the babies of rape victims by American citizens?  I  
am in contact with an adoption agency who is interested in this, but they  
need a contact in the country.  Any information or help whatsoever would  
be greatly appreciated!
			Laurie Cooper
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
From: borbor@divsun.unige.ch (Boris Borcic)
Subject: Re: A modest proposal 
Followup-To: alt.politics.europe.misc,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: University of Geneva
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:12:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.160658.18532@husc3.harvard.edu>,
stojanov@husc10.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) wrote:
> 
> In article <borbor-141292165503@129.194.82.105> borbor@divsun.unige.ch 
> (Boris Borcic) writes:
> >
> >Is this a defining axiom ? According to my knowledge, there are, even
> >in long besieged Sarajevo, still a few thousands persons who choose to
> >stay and defend their city, and who do think of themselves as "Serbs" 
> >and are so presented by their fellow citizens and the international media.
> >
> 
> 
> And I guess you still believe in fairies?
> 
> 
> I should have written almost all of them, of course.  
> You have written rather lengthy article based on this detail. 
> 
> So, how does this detail change the essence that 
> 95-99% of Serbs do not want to live in new states?  This 
> was shown on referendum.  In both ex-Croatia and ex-Bosna
> Serbs voted that in the case of collapse of the Yugoslavia
> they are not going to join new states. Should all those Serbs
> be removed?  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Milan N. Stojanovic

Well, tell us more about these referenda. I admit that my knowledge
of them is relatively vague, but are you telling us that 95 to 99%
of all Serbs (according to the traditional definition) *freely* decided
the present scenario in the case the states of Croatia and Bosna 
would form ?

Your construal of Serbs (traditional definition) that do not cling
to your policy as a detail reminds me of Jean-Marie Le Pen. As far
as can be judged from the results, the ultra-nationalists that called
for war to defend the Serbs in Croatia and B&H obtained what they wanted
but achieved nothing in terms of bettering the wellfare of those
they pretended to defend. What proportion of those feel they are
better off know ? My personal opinion is that the tchetniks etc. never
gave a shit, and that, for instance, the prospect of being able to 
relocate the unavoidable Serbian refugees in Kosovo was taken as a 
blessing with little regard to the feelings of the displaced ones
(not to speak of the feelings of their new neighbours).

Regards,

Boris Borcic
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From: buis@buengc.bu.edu (Biomed Dept I.S.L.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Somebody needs a lot of history lessons ...(was Re: The Balkan Dance of Death [Macedonia]
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:51:11 GMT
Reply-To: buis@buengc.bu.edu (Biomed Dept I.S.L.)
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Dec12.043620.22748@cas.org> vkb57@cas.org writes:

>>A big book on the subject with no 'Macedonian' minority :-( (although this
>>book has some controvercial parts).
>>
>>Can provide more sources, and sources in other languages if you like. Can
>
>Anything you can provide in Macedonian I would be gratefull for.
>
>>Luben 
>Vasil

	There are a lot of book written by the Macedonians abroad (in Bulgarian
or French, English), on the subject.  In order to find a book in Macedonian,
it had to be printed in the ex-Socialist Republic of Macedonia, (very few were 
printed abroad), and in order to be printed there, it had to be of a certain 
"national and ideologycal orientation".

	Vasil, if you can find anything "fair" on the subject - writtten
in Macedonian, please let me know. I couldn't, and I had realy tried.
(I am refering to the period 1945-1991, since some positive changes can be 
seen in the Republic of Macedonia during the last year.)
	
	Thanks,

		Lou






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From: hlopez@AFIT.AF.MIL (Hector P. Lopez)
Subject: Unfriendly Neighbors...a Question
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:25:19 GMT

I have never posted to this newsgroup before but have read posts with great 
interest and have watched the heart-rending news unfold like a bad dream as 
the killing of innocents continues in what used to be Yuoslavia.  From what 
I have read about the situation, in seems like the prevailing school of 
thought is that the Serbs are pulling off what amounts to "land-grab" under 
the guise of some ancient blood fued, although history cannot be completely 
easily discounted.

My question is this, If as people say, this is an attempt by Serbia to 
attain a "Greater Serbia", then why the inhumane, savage, immoral conduct of 
the War in BH and in Croatia?  I know the question sounds funny, since there 
is no such thing as a humane war, but the news accounts leaving the war zone 
tell of documented cases of murder-rape camps for Women, murders of families 
cowering in basements, torture of civilians in camps, etc. etc. etc.  In 
other wars, there is killing, but usually not directed against innocent 
civilians and without the underlying HATE. 

I have read of how in BH, Muslims and Serbs have lived together in the same 
small villages for generations, have invited each other over for holidays, 
their children having played together, and now, the same Serb neighbors have 
looted their homes and killed (or sent to camps) their former neighbors in 
an organized effort to ethnically cleanse huge portions of BH.

Maybe there is a real ancient blood fued at work?  Is the former Yugo 
destined to repeat this bloodshed in the future, when the hand of BH and 
Croatia are stronger and their children are taught revenge and hate?  

I can understand war, but I am bewildered on how it is possible for former 
neighbors to kill, loot, and rape their neighbors just because they are 
ethnically different.  How in Gods name is it possible?  I believe that all 
people are good, but I must write here, my belief is being challenge by Serb 
behavior in BH and Croatia.
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.croatia
Subject: Hate Mail
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:57:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


Daniel Chukurov writes:

>Well, here is one of the well meaning messages that I received, and need 
>some help in translating it. Please help.
                                                        VETROMLAT

>>Received: from fuug.fi by thumper.bellcore.com (4.1/4.7)
        id <AA06385> for ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com; Wed, 9 Dec 92 03:17:49 EST
>>Received: from penet.fi by fuug.fi with UUCP id AA10585
  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for nyquist.bellcore.com!ddc); Wed, 9 Dec 1992 10:17:44 +0200
>>To: ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com
>>Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 22:37:29 -0500
>>Subject: Jebem ti mater hitlerovim kurcom u grobu
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>        Would somebody translate the Subject line for me? I guess the message
>        must be here, since the rest of it is just the directory listing of
>        an FTP site in Finland.




   This means, insofar as I can gather:  We f*** your mother Hitler
   style in her grave.
   Someone with a demented sense of humour...

-- Eduard
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: SMH: Letters Section [Macedonia]
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:02:42 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS) writes:

>   The Macedonian population of northern Greece has fallen from over
>one million in 1913 when Greece took over 51 per cent of Macedonia
>to about 300,000 today.

 Then, the following conclusion is made:

>   The existence of the Macedonian minority in Greece is a national secret

 And could you please tell us where the Greeks are hiding 300,000 Skopjeans?
 In closets? 

 You are very amusing Sachashopofski.

 Panos
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From: bill@cognet.ucla.edu (William M. Eldridge)
Subject: Re: A message from the SERBS from Croatia
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:31:27 GMT

ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Chukurov 21324) writes:

>reminds me of a Serbian fairy tale called "The girl faster than the
>horse". The story says that a girl once made a bet with all the young
>men in the kingdom that she will outrun them all altough they will be
>on horseback and she on foot. If she wins, according to the bet, she
>would kill them all, but the man who would, on horseback, prove faster
>than her could take her for a wife. The race began, the girl took the
>lead, but in front of the riders many obstacles appeared: water,
>mountains, woods. The Czar`s son seeing that they will all loose the
>bet and die, and realising that the whole thing was the work of evil,
>called the girl three times by the God`s name, to stop. And she did,
>for the God defeated the devil who had taken the form of a girl.

So they all gathered around her and raped her until her eyes went
glassy and her bones fell limp.

Read the Amnesty International reports.  Then tell me another story.
-- 
{{{{ bill eldridge           310-206-3960                x                }}}}
{{{{ bill@cognet.ucla.edu    310-206-3987 fax           xxx              }}}}
{{{{ ~more, ~better, ~faster [80's motto]                x              }}}}
{{{{ ~hot, ~toxic, and ~shallow [90's motto]                              }}}}
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 01:57:00 CET
From: cosysop@zamir-bg.comlink.de
Reply-To: cosysop@zamir-bg.comlink.de
Distribution: world
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Friend needs to talk to student in B
Organization: Zamir = for peace, Beograd
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## Nachricht vom 11.12.92 weitergeleitet
## Ursprung : BDOWNING%UNIXLAND.NATICK.MA.US@UUCP.ZER
## Ersteller: COSYSOP@ZAMIR-BG.ZER

Hello Bill,

you wrote.


BU>I recently received a call from someone who would like to converse via
BU>Internet mail with a friend of his who is a student at the University of
BU>Belgrade (unfortunately, he is not sure if this is the exact name of

For some time now there is a new BBS here in Belgrade. The Center for
Antiwar Action has (with the help of peace groups from other countries)
set up a BBS here called ZAMIR-BG. It has a sister BBS in Zagreb called
ZAMIR-ZG. If the persond you want to reach become users here, then they can
be reached by email, also from internet.

All users here can be reached with the following email address:

       USER@ZAMIR-BG.COMLINK.DE

Any further questions can be sent to the SUPPORT or COSYSOP at the
above address.

Greetings,

Eric
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From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: The Balkan Dance of Death [Macedonia]
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:16:37 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <1992Dec15.055430.5311@cas.org> vkb57@cas.org writes:

[deleted]

>Who knows,  we may have had an easier time finding a common language if you
>grew up in a similar atmosphere of cultural diversity and ethnic tolerance,  I
>consider myself very fortunate for having experienced it.

Can we believe our eyes - in the ex-YU republic of Macedonia was ethnic
'tolerant'? The tolerance towards those who considered themselves
Bulgarians was the same as the tolerance towards the Jews in Nazi Germany.
Or maybe the Central Prison of Skopie, the Idrizovo prizon and the
concentration camp of Goli Otok are/were fiction and example of places the
ethnic tolerance is cured?

It's no surprise that people have no idea of what was in Macedonia -
just like the majority Bulgarians didn't know about the "Sla^nchev Briag"
next to Lovech, didn't know about "Kuzian", etc, etc. or like the Russians
didn't know the full scale of Stalin's camps. But this doesn't mean
that they didn't exist. Ethnic tolerance towards Bulgarians in ex-YU - wake
up.

>Thank you Gregory for the quote bellow.  I will include the preceeding
>paragraph also,  it is an important part of the process.  The setting is the
>end of the 19th century:
>
>"In these unfavorable circumstances,  local leaders established the Internal
>Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO) in an EFFORT TO UNITE ALL THE
>ETHNIC GROUPS IN THE REGION AND TO ESTABLISH AN INDEPENDENT MACEDONIAN STATE.

Sure - these ethnic groups were Bulgarians, Turks, Greek, Albanians, Vlachs
(i.e. Roumanians) and Serbs. All books and sources from that time are
unanimous on this fact alone. Different books provide different numbers for
each ethnic group, but all books speak about those groups only + the Jews
in Thessaloniki (Solun).

>The IMRO leaders considered themselves Bulgarian

Exactly - as did the Slav population in Macedonia those days and hundred of
years before that. Now is different.

> but they also had a strong
>sense of regional identity and advocated "MACEDONIA FOR MACEDONIANS."

In the memoirs of the founders of the IMRO, it is well described the
initial idea behind the movement. Can you guess it? However, the slogan
above is correct, just as is correct that IMRO raised another slogan as
well "ONE NATION - 2 STATES".


Luben

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"Let us not allow splits and splintering to frighten us. It is, indeed, a
pity, but what can we do, since we are Bulgarians and all suffer from one
common disease"
				Gotse Delchev
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From: kodric@cs.sfu.ca (Sandi Kodric)
Subject: Revija Monitor
Keywords: slovenska revija o racunalnistvu, vabilo k sodelovanju
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:37:33 GMT

Tole posredujem v imenu revije Monitor...
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tudi kolumna v stilu "Pismo iz Amerike". Mislimo, da bi bil va{
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From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Subject: Re: Macedonian World Congress
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:10:45 GMT

varnavas@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (varnavas constantine) writes:

>sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS) writes:

>Nice revision of history!  It even rivals the Mighty One, a.k.a Hasan B.
>Mutlu, a.k.a Serdar Argic.  I couldn't refrain from answering to a few of
>the most obvious revisions.

>> * In 867, the first European dynasty assumed power in medieval East
>>   Rome. The dynasty is called Macedonian because the parents of its
>>   founder, Basil I, originated from the Byzantine province of
>>   Macedonia. The Macedonian rulers in Byzantium spoke Macedonian
>>   and Greek and thought of themselves as Macedonians and Rhomaioi.

>Basil I was a Byzantine emperor of Greek heritage.  He did not speak
>Macedonian.  He thought of himself as a Byzantine.

After this marvelous piece of fantasy posted by Sasa, it's a good idea
to be as precise as possible. The macedonian dynasty was of Armenian 
heritage. And Basil thought himself as a Roman.

					 	 Bye,
						Yannis.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.croatia,alt.society.revolution,alt.politics.europe.misc,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: A PROPOSAL: THE GLOBAL FORCE
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:39:38 GMT

>THE GLOBAL FORCE
>The UN/EC protectorate over Bosnia-Hercegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia,
>Vojvodina, muslim areas in Serbia and Serb populated areas in
>Croatia, would be a nice test for an eventual future world force
>cooperation.
> 
>Because we live in the world where it is morally necessary to do
>so, and because we live in the time when it is technically feasible
>to do so, I propose:
>1.
>To abolish all national armies (it would, certainly, be done
>gradually).
>2.
>To establish a Global Force, a U.N. army.
>3.

[Many more dimented suggestions deleted]

Wonderful. Lets build a global government with a global army so the whole
bloody world can be oppressed at once.

Who ever wrote this trash is a great threat to the liberty of the
rest of us. I guess they fell they will be a part of the ruling elite.
A very tenuous possition even for a socialist.

				mike
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:18:37 EST
From: <JXL19@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: psu.questions,soc.culture.china
Subject: test

test
From: y0z8374@zeus.tamu.edu (ZHANG, YUEMIN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An Old Arithmatic Problem
Date: 15 Dec 1992 09:26 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <15DEC199202400198@utkvx2.utk.edu>, xic@utkvx2.utk.edu (Chen, Xi) writes...
>Well, the following is an old arithmatic problem, not mathematic problem.
> 
>Do you know a poker game called 24 points?  If you know it, you know the 
>rule.  There are four cards, 5, 5, 5 and 1.  Find an arithmatic expression
>using all the number once and only once to get 24.
> 

Answer: 5*(5-1/5)=24





YZ
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