From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.jewish
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Because, "news.admin.policy" is afraid of ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists.
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 20:17:32 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
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In article <1993Jan5.042748.2629@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene) writes:

>The point is that neither Jesus nor the Turkish-Armenian feud
>are appropriate topics for the "soc.culture.jewish."

A very true statement.

>( BTW, have you considered creating an altnet newsgroup
>  "alt.politics.turkey-armenia" to house the dispute? )

Yes. However, "news.admin.policy" is afraid of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF
terrorists to create a newsgroup called "soc.culture.xsovietarmenia".

 "...that more people have to die..." 

                    SDPA <91@urartu.UUCP>

  "Yes, I stated this and stand by it."

                    SDPA <255@urartu.UUCP>

And I don't blame them. The Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire's 
eastern provinces, massacred 2.5 million defenseless Turkish women, 
children and elderly people, burned thousands of Turkish and Kurdish 
villages and exterminated the entire Turkish population of the Armenian 
dictatorship between 1914-1920. Such outrageous sleight of hand that is 
still employed today in Armenia brings a depth and verification to the 
Turkish genocide that is hard to match. A hundred years ago Armenians 
again thought they could get whatever they wanted through sheer terror 
like the Russian anarchists that they accepted as role models. Several 
Armenian terror groups like ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism 
Triangle resorted to the same tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores 
of innocent Turks and their families in the United States and Europe. 
It seems that they are doing it again, at a different scale, in fascist 
Armenia today. The image-conscious Armenians sorely feel a missing glory 
in their background. Armenians have never achieved statehood and independence, 
they have always been subservient, and engaged in undermining schemes 
against their rulers. They committed genocide against the Muslim populations 
of Eastern Anatolia and Armenian Dictatorship before and during World War I 
and fully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry during 
World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing, rebelliousness and 
disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the Armenian history. To obliterate 
these episodes the Armenians engaged in tailoring history to suit their 
whims. In this zeal they tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 
2.5 million Turks and Kurds before and during World War I.

The criminal acts of the Armenian Dictators come directly
under the scope of the Convention on Genocide adopted by the
General Assembly of the United Nations on December 8, 1948,
containing the following provisions:

The Contracting Parties, having considered the declaration made 
by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution
95 (1) dated December 11, 1946, that genocide is a crime under
international law, contrary to the spirit and aims of the United
Nations and condemned by the civilized world;

Recognizing that in all periods of history genocide has inflicted
great losses on humanity; and

Being convinced that, in order to liberate mankind from such odious
scourge, international cooperation is required;

Members agree as hereinafter provided:

Article 1. The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether
committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under 
international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

Article 2. In the present Convention genocide means any of the
following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or
in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as 
such:

A) Killing member of the group;
B) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
C) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life 
   calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole 
   or in part;
D) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
E) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group;

Article 3. The following acts shall be punishable:

a) Genocide
b) Conspiracy to commit genocide
c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide
d) Attempt to commit genocide.

Article 4. Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts
enumerated in Article 3 shall be punished, whether they are
constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private
individuals.

Had the Convention on Genocide existed before the Armenian 
massacres of the Turks and Kurds, it would probably have been 
difficult for the Armenian organizations and its responsibles
to start murdering of civilian, defenseless, faithful Ottoman
citizens, children and women, (GENOCIDE AND ATTEMPT TO GENOCIDE),
to make plans to exterminate, as they have done also to Urartus
and Jews, faithful Ottoman citizens (CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT GENOCIDE), 
to incite Armenians to armed revolt against the legal authority
and to commit Genocide, (DIRECT AND PUBLIC INCITEMENT TO COMMIT
GENOCIDE).

Source: Walker, Christopher: "Armenia: The Survival of a Nation."
        New York (St. Martin's Press), 1980.

This generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information
of direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust: 

a) Dro (the butcher), the former Dictator of the Armenian Dictatorship and
the architect of the Genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, the most 
respected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional 
Republic in Berlin during World War II; 

b) this 'provisional government' fully endorsed and espoused the social 
theories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members 
of the Aryan 'Super-Race;' 

c) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves 
with the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and, 

d) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side 
by side with the Wehrmacht.

During World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and
cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication
in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1]

"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)
 when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it 
 becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon
 method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical
 operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing." 

Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -
extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San
Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published
in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.

 "...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities
  against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the 
  murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian 
  neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish 
  and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see 
  the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors...
  Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise 
  to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would 
  help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of
  the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!
  I don't need your bias."  

  Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.

[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian
    Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:
    June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.

Serdar Argic

                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that 
                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks 
                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists 
                            a single Turkish soul.'    (Sahak Melkonian)