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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:01:04 GMT
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silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) writes:
> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Stunt Elk) writes:
>>	Another question:  Destruction expected Death and Delirium to show
>>up earlier.  I infer from this that something therefore delayed them

> I think it was more like, once Del and Morph started looking,
> Destruction thought they'd find him a *lot* sooner, like we did.  :)
> But then again, we had a few more hints than they did...

	Nope.  Destruction starts cooking on the appropriate day, but
Del and Dream show up late enough that the food is starting to cool.  That
suggests a delay of a few hours or less, rather than a delay of days.
-- 
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"Imagine every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light and all
 life as we know it stopping simultaneously."
"Total protonic reversal...."
"Right.  That would be bad.  Important safety tip.  Thanks, Egon."
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Rai Question
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:37:55 GMT

> What is the proper way to pronouce Rai?  Is it Ray or Ri ?

It is pronounced rye as in rye bread. Y'know, I just don't thing that
would put fear into the hearts of many criminals today. "Look out! It's
Rye!!" Followed by tonnes of laughter.
>
>Trivia Time: What was Steve Rogers occupation before
>             he joined the Army?

Deadbeat? 

_craig
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Organization: Hellfire Squid of the Poor
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:55:12 GMT

[Lots of stuff about religion deleted. It's wasted on me. The only
 religious tracts we had when I was growing up were Bullfinch's and 
 a big picture book about the Aesir. I came up with some really 
 interesting thoughts during the occasional moments of silent prayer.]

This reminds me, I'll be really depressed if Letters in the Sand doesn't 
get at least one letter of complaint from someone about the depiction
of holy mother Ishtar. Maybe something from the Concerned Mothers for 
the Babylonian Way.

While I'm on the subject of religion, I should mention that Neil Gaiman
does have six count 'em six different stories in _Outrageous Tales from 
the Old Testament_. One story, "The Prophet Who Came to Dinner," comes
complete with really nifty Dave McKean art and a slightly confused moral.

The book also contains "Leviticus" by Alan Moore and Hunt Emerson, 
"Sodom and Gomorrah" by Dave Gibbons and "Samson: The Dynamite Nazarite"
by Graham Higgins. It's from Knockabout Publication in London, but it
might still be available from Last Gasp. (I think that's what the price
tag says on the back of my copy.)

No doubt this is highly offensive material. Please proceed with caution.

(part 22)------------------
 Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Outa my way little peanut or I'll rip off your 
   (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  shell and stuff it down your throat! Hey! Leggo!
     We fear change!      |  OWWW! You're hurting me! HELP! Someone help me!"
     Entropy is evil!     |  _Mr Peanut Action Comix: Lobo meets Mr Peanut_
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Meals
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:05:52 GMT
Keywords: food

In article <1993Jan24.043911.6736@netcom.com>, dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins) writes:
> Why do the Endless eat?  The gathering at start of Seasons of Mists
> and when Destruction took off involved food/drink.  Destruction
> prepares a meal - and Dream and Delerium ate before taking off on the
> quest.  But Dream was imprissoned (sp?) for over 70 years without
> food/drink.  Why do they bother?

Spoken like a man who doesn't understand the pleasure of a good meal.  :-)
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: The New Titans
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 04:18:10 GMT

Some addendums to the rather accurate plot summary...

In the NEW TITANS/ARMAGEDDON 2001 annual, Waverider scans Nightwing's
future. So we should all darn well know tha the mysterious figure skulking
around is indeed the adult/future Nightwing.

In one of the five TEAM TITANS #1 (the only one I bought, actually)  it
has the origin of the new Terra. (Stupid idea, in my opinion; could have
gotten some good stories out of it.) At first she claimed to be Terra's
neice (OUTSIDERS' Geo-Force's daughter), but the mysterious "Leader"
claims that he -knows- she's lying. (Hmmm...a hint?) He sends
Dagon/Nightrider (a stupid Wolverine clone, and a dumb origin to boot; I
mean, a super-vampire?) to Terra's grave, to find her body still there.
It is finally revealed that the new Terra was given plastic surgery to
make her resemble Tara Markov, and using DNA implants, recreated Terra's
power in her. The side effect is that she can't stress her powers, or it
will cause feedback that puts her out. (Supposedly Chaos' scientists
warned him that her powers would kill her, but the Leader claimed to be
able to reverse that.) The Leader breaks Terra's mental block, and she
joins the Team Titans in time to fight Chaos. The end.

Jay (=

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From: mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #165 (Sim and Feminism . . . Yet Again)
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: mfterman@phoenix.princeton.edu (Mutant for Hire)
Organization: Mutant for Hire, Inc.
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 20:49:44 GMT

In article <Jym.19Jan1993.0926@naughty-peahen>, Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu> writes:
>=-= I was quite surprised when a recent issue mentioned the Cult
>of True Womanhood in a tract by Cirin.  This Cult really existed
>in Victorian times, and it really was a matriarchy somewhat
>along the lines that Sim has mentioned ("make the world safe for
>babies").  But Sim handles it as if it were a powerful force in
>history, a manifestation of some huge powerful matriarchy that
>he seems to think has been ruling human societies forever.

Well, nowhere in the history books do I see Aardvarks going around
playing an important force in world events either. Sim's world is
a creation of art, which echos the real world, it does not imitate
it slavishly. Cirin's movement is powerful in the period that Sim
is covering, and he's made the point repeatedly that there is a
swing towards female power at this point in history. Po's comment
about the chess board is an indicator.

>=-= Nowhere does Sim address the historical movement known as
>radical feminism.  There were inklings of it during the times
>of the Cult of True Womanhood and afterwards, and again during
>the Women's Liberation movement of the 1960s and 1970s.  Instead
>he presents Astoria, the embodiment of Kevillism, as nothing
>more than an ambitious power-grabbing yuppie.

That's a rather shallow look at it. Its more on the order of a
debate about the power of the individual versus the powre of the
society. Cirin's movement is dominated by the need of stability
for society. Astoria's movement is a push towards the right of
the individual. Astoria is ambitious for power, but remember
her childhood. Also the fact is that we have seen few Kevilists
in depth. Its hard to judge an entire movement from what we've
seen of it. Astoria currently has to spend most of her energies
attacking Cirinism, meaning that she has to define where her
movement differs from Cirin's.

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From: aw1s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew David Weiland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman - Bring on the C's
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:51:54 GMT
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Organization: Junior, Philosophy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos) writes,

>I'd think the opposite of Dream is Reality, as in owning up to the fact
>that someone doesn't love you, or that you can't send those who spurn
>you screaming into Hell, and stuff like that.  I'd imagine aall this
>travelling in the Waking World is really getting to Morpheus.  Maybe he
>sees it as therapy  for his "flipside." 
>
>As a matter of fact, we can see the whole series as Morpheus coping 
>with the Reality his dreams creates.

I like this too; less of an opposite than a counterpart.  Our ideas lead
us to conclusions about the world we perceive, and the world has a
tendency to deflate our dreams at inopportune times.  But what we
imagine in dreams can be created in reality; and the empirical world can
also inspire our dreams.  Sounds good, but we need something that starts
with C.  

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From: ross@BofA.com (Ross Lefstin)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: Bank of America, Capital Products, RMTG #5906
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:48:01 GMT

1) Was anyone really surprised to find Destruction's villa right across from
the temple of Orpheus?  I seem to recall several people speculating that
this would be the case early on.  It just occured to me that Orpheus is
Destruction's favorite nephew.  I think its time to re-read Song of Orpheus.
More on this later.

2) The references to change are getting kind of heavy handed.  "Cooking is one
of the fine arts."  Art = Change = Destruction?  Is Destruction treing to
change himself to an artist.  I think there is validity to thinking of
the lord of Destruction as patron of the arts.  Does anyone know the Hindu
take on this?  Hinduism is the only religion I can think of off the top of my
head which personifies destruction (Shiva), but can anyone think of another?

3) This issue dropped some hints about the nature of the endless.  The dialogue
between Destiny & Dream about the 'lives' of the Endless.  Dream may be bitter
when he questions Destiny's characterization of the Endless' existence as
'life'.  I think Destruction may have a better understanding of the nature of
the Endless than his siblings, and perhaps this realization contributed to
his departure.  The end notes imply that the nature of the Endless will be
a subject of dinner conversation.

4) Morpheus is certainly very upset to have to visit his son, who he promised
never to see again.  But something else occurs to me.  Dream now owes Orpheus.
What would Orpheus want?  I think that he would want to die.  We know that
the Endless are prohibited from spilling family blood, and that doing so
will 'bring the Kindly Ones down on his head'.  This could tie in to the next
Sandman arc, which will supposedly be titled 'The Kindly Ones'.  This could
explain why Morpheus is shivering.  He may also have to interfere in Death's
realm, because Death promised not to come for Orpheus.  Maybe the scene in
Destiny's book with the Corinthian has something to do with this.  (I do think
this scene is in the future)  I think I'll also have to go re-read the Oedipus
cycle for the origin of The Kindly Ones.

Enough for now -- comments anyone? (Like I need to ask)

		Rasta


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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: Jack Of Hearts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:35:18 GMT

Quasar, that lovely tie-er off of loose ends, brought Jack back into the 
comics, with several issues during the teens of his book and early twenties 
(Cosmos In Collision stories).  Then he drifted into Surfer, and now that he 
has a new costume (Hembeck rightly said that his ultracool original costume was
what kept him from being used...no one wanted to draw him!) expect to see more 
of him.
     Dave Van Domelen, first Troia and Starfire, now Jack of Hearts...the world
isn't safe for complicated costumes....
From: cjett@s850.mwc.edu (conroy v. jett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Tolkien comics
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:59:17 -0500
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zombie (zombie@EBay.Sun.COM) wrote:
> Has there ever been any of Tolkien's stories (The Hobbit, LOTR, etc.)
> done in comic book format?  Just curious....

Eclipse did a 3 issue adaptation of the HOBBIT a few years ago.  I highly recommend it.
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From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: The flip side of the Endless...
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:54:20 GMT

In <1993Jan25.020846.11471@netcom.com> dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins) writes:
.
.
.
>By the way, did anyone notice that Dream changed outfits to the one he
>was wearing when he last saw his son?   The ruby doesn't exist any
>more, but he was wearing something.

>later, david

  I hate to sound like a broken record, but Neil says that's another
coloring screwup.  Originally that was a silver clasp holding Dream's
robes closed.


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From: apn207s@momth1.maths.monash.edu.au (Mr A Dempster)
Subject: Re: Death #1 comments
Organization: Monash University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:58:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.130813.11196@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
|> In article <PETRI.WESSMAN.93Jan20134939@lk-hp-20.hut.fi> Petri.Wessman@hut.fi writes:
|> >On Wed, 20 Jan 1993 07:31:32 GMT, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) said:
|> >
|> >Dani> (If you were the greatest of the Fallen, and you could go anywhere
|> >Dani> in the multiverse, barring the Silver City, and Earth weren't the
|> >Dani> center of creation, would you retire to Australia?)
|> >
|> >I might. They have fantastic beer :-)
|> >
|> You jest, surely? The stuff that makes it to Britain is foul.

It's got to be better than Guinness...Yeeeccchhhh

-- 

In order to remember your dreams, you must think of them as if they were 
little kittens. When you wake up in the morning, before you get out of bed,
Sit up and say, 
"Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty.
Here, kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty kitty."
                                                -King Missile
From: camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Darren Natale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Squadron Supreme
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:13:00 GMT
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In article <C19nAv.4rM@world.std.com>, modrall@world.std.com (Mark W Modrall) writes...
>actually, the Squadron Supreme was an old old alternate
>Earth idea from way back... it started in the avengers around
>issue 90, when they do a cross dimensional jaunt to find that
>several villans from their dimension actually make up the
>moral equivalent of the avengers in this one... they popped up
>now and then, including a big cross-over in Defenders which
>prepped the way for the miniseries... the Overmind had taken
>over the squadron's planet by possessing President Kyle (Nighthawk)
> 
>actually, i remember at the time they were just launching the
>New Universe line, and rumor had it that the Squadron was supposed
>to figure prominently in it, but DC threatened a lawsuit... a limited
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>series for the Squad was okay, but an ongoing series was too much...
>that's how we ended up with DP7 and Star Brandy
> 

On what basis was the lawsuit threat? Hyperion?

DN
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:06:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.194801.5191@BofA.com>, ross@BofA.com (Ross Lefstin) writes:
> 1) Was anyone really surprised to find Destruction's villa right across from
> the temple of Orpheus?  I seem to recall several people speculating that
> this would be the case early on.

It was fairly obvious, once you knew what to look for.

> 2) The references to change are getting kind of heavy handed.  "Cooking
> is one of the fine arts."  Art = Change = Destruction?

Art = Creation.  Destruction tries to distance himself from his realm,
so he spends his time in Creative endeavours.  He's terrible at it,
as you would expect from the anthropomorphic representation of "destruction".

[Aside:  When I read that line about cooking being a creative art, my
 first thought was "No wonder he's lost so much weight..."]

Another one for the annotations:  while Dream is having his father and
son chat, Del sings this little song (Soldier, Sailor, Tinker, etc...)
I'm pretty sure I've heard that song before, and not in the title of
a John LeCarre novel.  :-)
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From: rglass@PCS.CNU.EDU (Randall Glass)
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Subject: Marvel Superhero roleplaying gamers?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:26:40 -0600
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Is there a forum for discussing the Marvel superhero roleplaying game?
Does anybody else play MSH?
[Doing what Marvel never dared dream (killing Cable among others).]
-- 
Randall Glass	rglass@pcs.cnu.edu
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Is Image really splitting?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:10:11 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 > Is Image still going to split into separate entities?  We were
 > discussing a while back that McFarlane would leave and publish
 > himself, Homage would publish itself, and Liefeld and a couple
 > others would stay as Image.
 > 
 > Any further word?

Last thing I heard about this was that my local comics dealer asked
about this on CompuServe after I told him about the rumor, and the CIS
people apparently thought the idea was so ludicrous that they even
deleted his post so as not to spread the rumor or stimulate further
conversation.  Guess it's not true.

Also, Image seems to be taking charge of promotion and things like that
now -- they have a little hype-rag like the Malibu Sun, and a special
staff that handles the business and promotional end of things.  I don't
think the individual creators would want to go through the trouble to
establish that kind of structure each for himself.
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: McFarlane Slights Rob?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:14:58 GMT

In the credits page of the latest Spawn, there's a little box:
"Dedicated to: Rob Liefeld Co-Creator of Overkill".  Isn't this a bit
like damning with faint praise?  Not a word about Youngblood...

Unfortunately, the anticipation of the next four issues made me pay a
bit too much attention to the writing in this one...
-- 
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From: mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Mickey)
Subject: End of the Bronze Age of Comics?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:18:03 GMT


	Something that I was pondering with friends the other night:
Are we seen the end of the Bronze Age of Comics?

	The Golden Age marked the creation of the super-hero comic
and format as we know it and ran from 1939 to 1960.

	The Silver Age began with the creation of Marvel Comics and
a new way of looking at super-heroes and ran from 1961 to 1975.

	Most say the Current Age goes from 1976 to now.

	However, I think perhaps that the year 1991 may have been
the last year of the Bronze Age.  The new current age (any ideas
on what it should be called?) began with 1992, the year of the gimmick.
It was marked by the explosion of marketing ploys by companies and by
the new debate over creators' freedoms, as shown in the creation of Image
Comics.  Since 1991, comics prices have jumped up astronomically (a $3.95
comic book was rare a couple of years ago), the actual size of comics is
again changing with the addition of gimmicks, and the emphasis on what makes
a good comic book (sound story vs. flashy art) is once again in question.

	It's a good theory, IMO :).  Any feedback?

Mick

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