HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner)
Subject: Re: Binding or Protective Spells
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:16:28 GMT

Maybe you could try ritual designed to strengthen, protect, and empower
your friend, and create 'safe space' around him/her.  If the harrassing
attacks, which are probably intended to produce a feeling of
helplessness, insecurity, fear and despair, fail to 'get through' and
hurt their intended target, they may very well stop.  And it is much
easier to work effective ritual on a willing target.

Protective rituals work even better if you can get several of your
friend's other friends involved and create a supportive community 
sheltering him/her.  This has mundane advantages too; it's the person
perceived as alone who's the most tempting target for attacks.

The binding ritual opposes the harrasser's strength with your own, a
contest it's quite possible to lose.  It doesn't mean you did anything
wrong, but maybe a less direct approach will be more successful.

One ritual my group uses is to put the person who needs strength in the
center of the circle and chant over them--first their name, then
improvised bits of song and chant expressing their qualities, the
group's wishes for them, etc.  The people in the circle can hold their
palms towards the center and will their energy and love to flow into the
needy person.

A dramatic way to give a sense of security and belonging is for the
person to stand in the middle of a tight circle of friends and let
themself fall, to be caught and gently pushed back and forth around 
the circle.  (You have to be careful if the central person is much
taller than the others--it's hard to effectively catch someone taller
than yourself.)

Hope this helps!

Mary Kuhner mkkuhner@genetics.washington.edu
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie)
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Reply-To: dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:49:33 GMT

Re Myers-Briggs -- I'm INFJ (Introvert, Intuitive, Feeling, Judging).
Be interesting to know whether any particular characteristics emerge
as dominant in this group, such as Intuitive...!  --Debbie

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From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Amazon warriors
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:55:42 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

simcock@waikato.ac.nz wrote:
: In article <2ADB9475.15006@news.service.uci.edu>, cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
: > In article <1992Oct14.013623.8610@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) writes:
: >>blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:
: > It's thought that the word comes from a-mazos, which is Greek for no-
: > breasted.  Amazon women were "supposed" to have cut off their right
: > breast to string and shoot a bow better -- a blatantly male-centered
: > deduction. 
  Or possibly a mistaken observation.  A breast bound down by a plastron
would look as though it was missing.
: > 

  The part about Celtic women is reported as recently as the Young Pretender;
an english officer defended his part in killing some welsh camp followers by
saying that he mistook them for highland women, who were known to use force
of arms alongside their menfolk.
: 
: 	Hey,  check out the armies of Israel and most of the Commonwealth of
: Independent States for well established modern examples of women in Warfare.

  Israel no longer uses women as front line troops ( not alongside men anyway ).
This is not due to any lack of nerve on the part of the women.  What happened
was that when a man was injured, both sexes could carry on with their job.  
If, however, a woman was injured the women got on with the job whilst the men
paid attention to her.  Seems men are more squeamish than women.
: 	
: 
: 						-Matthew.		
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		~~~~~/\~~~~~
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		~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:26:55 GMT
Reply-To: blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: blchapma@c00014-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu


Is there some way somebody can post a version of this test, or
mail out a computerized version for it, or name an FTP site
where someone can get it?  I've done this test a long time ago,
but cannot remember anything about what I am.  The test I took was
from public domain software for the Macintosh.  I would be more
interested in a Unix version myself, but IBM compatible would be
okay.

Anybody know anything?
-- 

Bekki Lyn

************************************************************
"Today is within my reach, and tomorrow is so illusive
 But I'm still chasing time through increasing disillusion
 Forever living for the future of an illusion."

 -- FATES WARNING-- "Perfect Symmetry"
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:51:40 GMT

In article <Bw3GyJ.FIB@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.172011.8775@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
>>
>>Oh! Woad is me!
>>"...Woad's the stuff to show men.
>>   Woad to scare your foemen.
>> Boil it to a brilliant blue, and
>>   rub it on your legs and your abdomen..."
>
>But do you know "It's a long and winding woad...."? ;-)

Ah, the call of the open woad!!  It's been so long for me since 
I've last been there.  Ain't it great to be on the woad again?

Blessings, I suppose,
Janis the Punch-Drunk from Lack of Sleep
From: jimoates@panix.com (Jim Oates)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Friends in North New Jersye
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:25:09 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Hello:

Anyone out there in Northern New Jersey?  Bergen County?

Love to talk with anyone.

Alone in the wilderness....

Jim


jimoates@panix.com


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Blame Everyone
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:40:43 GMT

In article <-1366863851snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au> gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
>
>Good, I hoped it would. The place really *is*, man.

Thanks. It did seem to have a sense of power behind it. Even without being
bracketed in asterisks.

>Not just for the Aboriginal people who own the place I believe you are
>referring to as "native Australians" (I am native myself; of the seventh
>generation). The power of Uluru and so many other places like it really
>do infiltrate our consciousness and identity as Australians in a very
>big way.

The reference to Native Australians is a response to how we in the U.S.
refer to the American Indian. Since Columbus and his lot mistook North
America for India and laid the misnomer of Indians on the indigenies, it's
been rather confusing. Breaking them down by tribe gets a little too specific
for most Americans, especially when we are taught so littel about them. I
personally don't like to think of myself as not a Native American as I was
born here. Second generation on my father's side, and the gods only know
on my mother's, but that's been a long time.

Someone else just asked if the Aborigines have a name they call themselves
or would prefer to be called, so I'll await your answer to him.

>There are very sacred ceremonies associated with Uluru, and busloads of
>people visit the place every day now; almost a holy pilgrimage right
>to the heart of this continent. Perhaps nothing like Stonehenge is to
>the Brits, but it is certainly getting that way.

Stonehenge is pretty awesome, so I can imagine something like Uluru being
as much.

>BTW, I doubt very much if the disappearance of Azaria Chamberlain at
>Uluru, whose parents were visiting as part of a Church group, would
>have created anywhere near such a national trauma had she gone from
>someone's suburban back yard . . .

Don't know the story, but I can guess.

Thanks for the information.

Bb,

Corun



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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: The Dragon
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:48:22 GMT
	<Bw3H7p.FK3@access.digex.com>
Organization: snake-eyes!

In article <Bw3H7p.FK3@access.digex.com> 
corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>In article <Bw2o69.AII@inews.Intel.COM> 
pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>Why are Westerners always fighting and slaying the dragon if it does not
>>represent the Christian Devil? Why did St. Patrick eliminate snakes from
>>Ireland, according to legend? Why do so many fear snakes, are snakes
>With respect to St. Patrick and Ireland, wasn't the snake a metaphor for
>the old drudic religions?

Yes, because under standard Christian dogma, all other religions are
Christian Devil worship. First they came for the snakes, then ...
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: Castrating Bitches (was Re: another poem)
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 19:04:35 GMT

In article <BvM0yo.4wB@world.std.com>, marty@world.std.com (Marty M 
HaleEvans) writes:
> >>>Blessings,
> >>>Janis the Castrating Bitch
> >
> >>And this is why I saved this part, and changed the subject line.  Any
> >>other women here, straight, lesbian or bi, actually *enjoy* being
> >>called a bitch now?  It may sound strange, but I do.  And I especially
> >>like being called a castrating bitch.  Bitches are women who won't
> >
> >Well, I am male, and I very much enjoy being called a bitch.  I often call
> >myself one.  My reasons are in the post about janis' net.name.  Bitches, 
IMO,
> >are *anyone* who doesn't fit into the patriarchal machine.  Bitches are 
people
> >who recognise the power in *all* people--starting with themselves.
> >
> >Make sense, folks?
> 
> Makes lots of sense. I love the name "bitch", too. Although I don't like to
> add "castrating" as much, since I don't like to make a practice of 
emasculating
> in vengeance, especially since I might catch some people in the process who
> happen to be men, but aren't responsible for the problem. Men can be nice 
> people! :->  However, this doesn't prevent me from occasionally using 
> someone's balls for a bowtie, if they do cause me problems....
> 
> Marty

  I use it from time to time, although not a lot because usually
men who're having any kind of problem with their masculinity get
pretty upset if you say they're just being "bitchy", or say that
you're just being your usual bitchy self.

  A lot of men who I work with don't seem to realize that if
I was going to cut their balls off, I'd have to find them and
sew them back on first!

  They're all so tied up in sports and Bush and yakking about
women's bodies and hating the minority of the week that they've
completely destroyed any genuine masculinity within themselves.
All that's left is society's implants, and they cling to those
like their lives depended upon it.

  All that's left inside of most of them is a shriveled up
little boy looking for his momma.

  So, yes, I treasure the bitch within myself too.

  Ciaran, who's balls literally _ARE_ cut off.

------------------------
Ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org                      Not an LM spokesbeing

  "... hey but I don't care cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear
   my voice and it's been HERE silent all these years" -- TORI AMOS
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bbooth@bnr.ca (Bradley Booth)
Subject: Re: Seashells
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:41:31 GMT

bill nelson wrote:
>Janis wrote:
>: 
>: I'm going to get another one tomorrow.  There's one particular kind that
>: looks like an ibex's horn.  Or maybe another fat, round, breastlike one
>: like the dolium.
>
>Now, if you could just find one made out of chocolate ...

You can... I've seen these chocolates that you can get that
are shaped like seashells.  They're from Belgium... and really
good. :)

Chocolate blessings,

    __o     Brad Booth              | "If somebody feels really good
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  about who they are, they don't
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  feel threatened by what other
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |  people are." - Dr. M. Rubenstein
From: simcock@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Some disgustingly mushy stuff
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:27:30 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Oct9.140439.2696@informix.com>, dsimon@informix.com (Olan Batur) writes:
> In article 1b23caINNf88@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary) writes:
>>
>>Some friends of mine and I got extremely bored in senior year of high 
>>school, and started trying to compose a list of arguments for and against 
>>God's existence. It wound up soundling like something out of Robert 
>>Fulghum. It was also partly lost to a bad archive file. The original was 
>>six pages long, and God was ahead by about six arguments- but the 'against' 
>>side was catching up pretty quickly. Just wondering what y'all thought of 
>>this; bear in mind that the thing was written by seven or eight high school 
>>seniors at an all-girls high school in north Jersey.
>>
>>

	For		Against

Laughter                Cola Wars
Accounting       	Accounting  (Accounting's just one of those things)
Grass
Beaches
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: An amusing, but true story, And where is Nancy?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:37:23 GMT
Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas

In article <1162@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:
>
>
>> 
>>Hey! you're new! You probably haven't seen the joke somebody made a while
>>back, that I've repeated: 
>>   Q: how do you tell a *real* witch from a New Age witch?
>>   A: you load all their crystals on them and throw them in the water. The
>>	New Age witch will sink...
>> 
>>	mark
>
>		AAarrgh! That's TERRIBLE. I like it! Reminds me of how I "came 
>out of the broom closet" to a friend who had been suspecting for some time. 
>We where in a Honda motorcyle shop, jumping on various bikes and drooling 
>over what we couldn't afford. There was an old broom in the corner, so I 
>grabbed it and shouted at her "Hey! Where's the throttle on this one?"
>
>			I don't think the Honda dealer got it either.
>			.........Guess you had to be there.
>
>					- Ashley

But was it a sports model (plastic) or a family model (wood & straw)?

	(B-)}

	mark
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: marty@world.std.com (Marty M HaleEvans)
Subject: Re: I feel lousy about the shells now . . .
Organization: Cicely Public Access UNIX, Cicely, AK
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:54:41 GMT

Gee, Janis, that's tough. I could really see how much you loved your shells
when you posted about them.

Don't give up on finding them, though. Last fall, I was on a *very* civilized
(read:picked clean) beach in Maine. There was barely a whole shell of any
size on this whole beach; in fact, there was barely a rock. It was the 
barest beach I've ever seen. Anyway, I spent the night in a motel right on
the beachfront; I've always loved the ocean, and I'd never been on the beach at
night. So I went out later in the moonlight, and was strangely excited. I
really felt power out there. And after I was out a while, totally steeped in
it, I looked down and found a giant, white, empty clam shell, bigger than my
hand. I picked it up gratefully; I keep what I'm sent, if I'm smart enough
to notice it. Anyway, it's a treasured belonging now, of course.

May you find what you need, too.

Marty


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"Another beer, and then he eyes                 marty@world.std.com
The barmaid's legs and waist and thighs.        Marty Hale-Evans
'Needs to lose some weight,' he grunts,         89 Mass. Ave., Suite 199
'But just the same, I'd fuck her once.'         Boston, MA  02115
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS)
Subject: Re: Crowley and Satanism (Help please)
Summary:  crowley info
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: crowley info 
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:32:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.153210.855@debet.nhh.no>, si0_tb90020@debet.nhh.no writes...

>A.C. is in all these articles claimed to be a satanist, and so on...
> 
>What I need to know is what books he has written (I have read some of
>what he has written, but I don't have any of his writings), what did he
>do to make people say he is a satanist, what arguments can I use to
>state he was not such a thing, and so on.
> 
>I am going to read more of his works while working on this...
> 
>Please send responce by email, this will make it easier for me than if
>you post it to everybody by news.
> 
> 
>Thanks in advance


***  I think this should go email, hopefully,,  try Donald Kraig's MODERN
MAGIC  .. lwellyn publishers, good intro and lists many crowley books
and their publishers...

.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:37:48 GMT
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6


Janis wrote:
> Steve Boylan wrote:
> >
> >Local telephone poles and such have been plastered of late with signs
> >with a big red cross, reading:
> >
> >	Are you ready for the rapture?
> >
> >	Jesus is coming
> >
> >	October 28, 1992

Reminds me of a joke we have up here in the Frozen North (Canada):

"Jesus is coming at 9 o'clock... 9:30 in Newfoundland."

If you don't understand the joke, don't worry.  Most Canadians (or those
who know about Canada) will find it funny... others just look on with
puzzled expressions. ;)

> I'm dying to go up to one of those rapture nuts and say, "Oh, I can take
> care of your bank account if you won't be needing it . . . "  How about,
> "Here, let me take care of those credit cards for you."  Stupidity can
> be a mineable resource sometimes.  

Yep, how do you think that some of these televangelists make so much
money?  Definitely changes the meaning of "strip-mining." ;)


Comments by,

    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
From: mc7b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Matthew Donald Celeskey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Birth data etc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:57:51 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hello all ~>

Can't resist the peer pressure so here goes....

April 29th, 1973.  7:30 pm EST (Honesdale, Pa)  Off the top of my head,
both Venus and the Sun were in Taurus, and my ascendant is Scorpio. 
Funky combo.  Eastern sign of Ox, Negative Water if I remember
correctly.  Been trying to contact Eshin-Fun to figure out where he's
getting the Aztec astrology stuff.  I've been working with it for about
4 years now and every time I find a new source it differs with my last
conversion (those wacky 260 day calendars, man)

So in case my messages haven't gone through and if you are still
listening to this group, Eshin, or any one else with the requisite
knowledge .....LET ME KNOW.  mc7b@andrew.cmu.edu

I shall try to dig through the archives and find out if I can find a
conversion that matches and work from there.  I think I can go into
considerably more detail about the signs if any one wants to know, but
it may take a while.

And about that Myer-Briggs stuff, I am Introvert, Thinking, and
Perceptive, and what ever the opposite of Intuitive was, which I gather
is rather an oddity in this group.  Oh, well.

Many thanks to Janis for letting me know about this bboard, and as a
kind of late introductions congratulations on all your successes and
sympathies for your setbacks ->

Matt.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:59:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.222528.14536@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> 
 boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>
>Local telephone poles and such have been plastered of late with signs
>with a big red cross, reading:
>
>	Are you ready for the rapture?
>
>	Jesus is coming
>
>	October 28, 1992

This is an un-biblical notion (see Matt 24:36 "No one knows about that 
day or hour...")

Personally, I maintain that Christians look to the second coming because
they feel Jesus didn't get it right the first time...

;)

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: witch joke
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:12:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.013632.16368@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>As long as we're trading witch jokes...A female comedian a while back was
>talking about "Men at Work" signs. "You know," she said, "I get sick of
>those signs that say 'Orange Cones Mean Men At Work'. I think that's pretty
>obvious. I mean, before those signs were up, I might've thought the orange
>cones meant 'Psychedelic Witch Embedded in Asphalt'.".
>				Rosaleen dhu

Which reminds me of a sniglet, a simple line drawing with an out of context
caption. I'll try and reproduce it here.


_____________________________
                            /
                          /
                        /
                      /
                    /            
                  /             /\ 
                /             /    \
              /             /        \
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Ship arriving too late to save a drowning witch.

Bb,

Corun
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From: weaver@kuttner.sfc.sony.com (Eric Weaver)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Bewitched returns! (shudder)
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:13:09 GMT
Organization: SONY Advanced Video Technology Center San Jose, CA USA



One of the odder things about the "Bewitched" series is the clear implication 
that "witches" were some other species - references to people as "mortals" for
example.  Then having the classic mother-in-law played by a rather wrinkly
Agnes Moorhead made it all a bit confusing...
-- 
Eric Weaver  Sony AVTC  677 River Oaks Pkwy, MS 35  SJ CA 95134  408 944-4904
& Chief Engineer, KFJC 89.7 Foothill College, Los Altos Hills CA 94022
From: usr0@pil.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:07:09 GMT