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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:09:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <01050133.o78qbm@distant.uucp> edw@distant.uucp writes:
>
>In article <serb.350@polisci.umn.edu> (talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic), serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb) writes:
>> 
>> >   isn't very well-read.   So he doesn't realize that all these
>> >   themes are treated with VASTLY greater insight and wit in such
>> >   diverse writings as Greek classical literature, the Bible, the
>> >   Vedic scripts, Shakespeare, and thousands of great works of 19th
>> >   and 20th century literature, including important works of science
>> >   fiction!
>> 
>If Peter didn't mention the Bible, I would have thought that he was a victim
>of Ayn Rand. The Simpsons comment is what got me really wondering. I personally
>think that the Simpsons is one of the best shows on television. Things such
>as mob behavior and the hypocrisy of most of society's inhabitants are constant
>sources of material in the show.

  Yes I agree they (and ST:NG) are *inspired* by important themes --
  nobody could deny that.  My complaint is that they don't do anything
  with these ideas that isn't obvious, simple, and comprehensible to
  a mass audience who doesn't want to spend any time thinking about
  "hard" subjects.

> The show could easily be called "Young Friedrich Nietzsche in Late
> Twentieth Century Suburbia." 

  I would say it's a comic-book or Weekly-Reader treatment of these
  topics.  To me there's no complexity or depth to their treatment
  of these things; everything is laid out in graphic simplicity.

>There is so much depth and texture to the show you truly get out of it
> what you put in in terms of the effort you exert in watching it.

  I think what's happening is that you're getting out of it MORE
  than what the writers originally put in.  The "meaning" of the
  content is coming from inside your, kind of like a video Rorshach
  (sp?) test.


---peter

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From: mhill@spot.us.oracle.com (Mark Hill)
Subject: Re: I'm back.
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood City, CA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:25:08 GMT
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              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


In article <C16yA0.308@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:

   Oh no, he forgot to close the quote marks!  That means that everything
   I'm typing here is actually part of what the sign said!  Waah!  I feel
   my copyright to this text slipping away!
					   -- K."
   P.S.  Hi, sillm.

Thank you.

mh
From: tomm@ivy.unisys.com (Tom Morell)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Course In Miracles
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:45:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA

Has there ever been any discussion or interest within this group on
"A Course in Miracles" published by the Foundation for Inner Peace ?
Does anyone know if it has occurred in other groups ?
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Subject: SUBJECTS NEEDED FOR PSYCH. STUDY
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:05:16 GMT

I am posting the following announcement for my sister.  She is looking  
for subjects, primarily in the New York City area (the closer to  
Manhattan, the better) or in the vicinty of Princeton, NJ, to  
participate as subjects in a study on the psychology of the postpartum  
period.

At this point, my sister is in greatest need of subjects for the  
control group --females between 18 to 40 years of age, with no  
children, who are not presently pregnant.  If you can participate or  
if you know people who can participate, please read on.  The telephone  
nunber to call is listed below.

Thanks,
Phil Menos

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                      SUBJECTS NEEDED

I AM A Ph.D. CANDIDATE IN CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY, CONDUCTING A
STUDY OF THE POSTPARTUM PERIOD, A LONG NEGLECTED AREA OF
RESEARCH.

                IF YOU ARE 18-40, FEMALE AND

O    EITHER RECENTLY GAVE BIRTH TO A CHILD (WITHIN THE LAST
     NINE MONTHS)

O    OR DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN AND ARE NOT CURRENTLY PREGNANT,

YOU ARE ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN A STUDY THAT WILL TAKE 15
MINUTES OF YOUR TlME WITH ME.  AFTER THIS BRIEF MEETING, YOU
WILL BE GIVEN A PACKET OF PSYCHOLOGICAL INVENTORIES THAT WILL
TAKE 40 MINUTES TO 1 1/2 HOURS TO COMPLETE (DEPENDING ON
WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO DO THE ABBREVIATED VERSION OR NOT), AT
YOUR LEISURE.  THE PACKET WILL BE SELF-ADDRESSED AND STAMPED.
WHEN YOU ARE DONE, JUST PUT IT INTO THE MAILBOX.

AFTER THE REBULTS HAVE BEEN ANALYZED, IF YOU WISH, I WILL
CALL YOU TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT
THE 5TUDY AND TO GIVE YOU FEEDBACK REGARDING YDUR TYPICAL
MODES OF FUNCTIONING ALONG VARIOUS DIMENSIONS OF PERSONALITY,
YOUR TYPICAL SHIFTS IN PERSONALITY ORGANIZATION UNDER STRESS,
YOUR PERSONAL STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES AND OTHER PATTERNS OF
PSYCHOLOGICAL FUNCTIONING SUGGESTED BY YOUR RESPONSES.

THE STUDY IS BEING CONDUCTED ALONG AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL
ASSOCIATION RESEARCH GUIDELINES.  ALL DATA IS STRICTLY
CONFIDENTIAL.  YOU WILL BE IDENTIFIED WITH A CODE NUMBER.
INFORMATION LINKING YOU WITH THIS CODE NUMBER WILL BE
DESTROYED ONCE WE HAVE HAD OUR TELEPHONE FEEDBACK SESSION.

IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING OR GETTING MORE
INFORMATION, PLEASE CALL:

                           Micka
                        (212) 666-2174.

              PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO A FRIEND.

                        THANK YOU.

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From: bx711@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey L. Cook)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: UFO Genius.
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:52:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bx711@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey L. Cook)
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In a previous article, jball@athena.cs.uga.edu (Bouncing Ball) says:

>John_-_Winston wrote:
>>Source of Information: 26-Sun-December 22, 21992.
                                             ^^^^^
>>JW speaking. What do you think of that? 
>>John Winston.
>
>John, could you be a little more specific about your source of
>information?  This sounds interesting, but you didn't leave much of a
>clue as to where people could look this stuff up for themselves.

It won't do you any good trying to look it up.  It won't be published
for another twenty thousand years!  ;-)
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Smoking
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 20:29:28 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <C0wC5x.Hz6@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk> <1jctrvINN5ii@zikzak.apana.org.au>

Dear Folks: I agree with Jean that too much smoking of Ziggurates is 
bad for you. 
John Winston.
From: glenda.stocks@pcohio.com (Glenda Stocks) 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANITY AND NEWA
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:55:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: PC-OHIO BBS - Cleveland, OH - 216-381-3320
Reply-To: glenda.stocks@pcohio.com (Glenda Stocks) 

..Victoria Goff...............................................................
.|> Christians, fundamental and otherwise, have not come in large numbers to .
.|> the idea of repeated earth lives, and most regard it as heretical.  There.
.                                                                            .
.The bible says that it is appointed unto man to die once and then judgement,.
.therefore, there is no such thing as reincarnation according to scripture.  .
..............................................................................

And that judgement, between lives, is done be each man for himself.

Glenda
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From: jim@philabs.philips.com (Joanne I. Murphy)
Subject: re: REFLECTIONS
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:01:56 GMT


Steve Dahmen,
I would like to be included in your new Reflections mailing list,
and I am posting here because I cannot get through to you via e-mail.
My address is jim@philabs.philips.com 
Thank You,
Joanne Murphy


Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott)
Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:56:03 GMT
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Scott Erb writes (in article <serb.352@polisci.umn.edu>):
  Some of the shows really blow me away with the power of their message, as

  did the first Deep Space Nine episode which dealt with a powerful
emotional 
  theme, the nature of time, and a bit tension and drama.

J. Giles responds (in article <1993Jan20.231528.25880@newshost.lanl.gov>):

  That was one of the most comical sequences I've ever encountered.  These
  alians conduct a discussion with the human character in an ordered
sequence
  of topics, inferences, etc. and yet claim to be ignorant of the nature of
  time.  If they can conduct an ordered interview, they know of time.

Not only that, but the aliens debate among themselves as to whether they
should destroy the human character.  Why would aliens who do not exist in
linear time need to debate what they are *going to do*?  Why would they
worry about what *might* happen if they let the guy live if the past,
future and present are all the same to them?  What the hell would an
individual's "destruction" mean to such beings anyway?  The writers could
not even deal with the most immediate consequences of their premise.  The
whole thing was just silly.

--John Scott
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Paranormal
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:16:10 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Subject: How To Become A Para Normal Investigator. 
  Someone has asked me how to become a paranormal inverstgator. Let's first 
define the term. It means a person who checks out things that are out of the 
ordinary or weird. 
  A good example of a person who does this is Brad Steiger and his wife Sherry 
Hansen Steiger.  I met Brad at a UFO convention that I was documenting 
summer before last in Phoenix, Ariz.  I had already read many of his books 
like Star Seed and others. 
  He not afraid of checking out about anything including UFOs, Trolls, 
Fairies, Elves and things even more bazar than that. 
  To become a good investigator you first must have an open mind and be ready 
to dive into  any investigation with great vigor. The first bit of good 
advice came from a good friend of mine by the name of Sister Thedra. I asked 
her advice as to what I should do many year ago when I first started in all 
of this and she said, "John now that you getting started in this my advice 
would be for you NOT TO DESIRE PHENOMENA BUT ONLY DESIRE TRUTH."  By this 
she meant to not go around looking for a lot of ghosts and spirits because 
they will usually just lead you around because they want someone to listen 
to them. 
   Next you should attempt to learn how to contact your higher self so that 
you will be led in what you are doing. You then should examine you motives 
and ask that you will be led to do the right thing and be defeated in doing 
anything that will not be to your higher good.
  There  are many things that still have never been explained and people just 
continue to sweep them under the rug. One of them is spontaneous human 
combustion. If you ever figure out what causes that one let me know.
John Winston
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: How To Contact The Good Type Space People.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 06:33:32 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: At the present time I am conducting some ESP experiments 
with a few people. I would like to have each person contacting me to 
have a  piece of Lapis Lazuli to consentrate their thoughts with.
If you can't get a piece of it please contact me by E-mail and I'll 
send you a piece of it. Last night I had a dream or Astral Journey
about going aboard an Astral Taxi constructed by the space people. Some
of you may have been there with me. We had our favorite meals and were
taught for quite a while and a good time was had by all.
John Winston. Who is this person All? He seems to always have a good 
time?
Newsgroups: talk.environment,sci.environment
From: constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino)
Subject: Re: Greenpeace press releases -- fact or fiction?
Keywords: not in MY septic tank...
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 23:05:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.202500.2302@truffula.sj.ca.us> cls@truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) writes:
>>for example, the release posted by Jym a couple of months ago that made
>>a big thing about the fact that plutonium had been detected on the beaches near
>>Sellafield, but neglected to say anything at all about concentrations).
>
>The scandal is that plutonium was released at all, not in what
>concentration it was released.  It shows the plant is not being
>operated responsibly.

Every time a neutron hits a U-238 atom (occurs naturally, from a few ppm in 
seawater to many percent in ore) and is absorbed, a U-239 atom results, which
kicks off a beta to get to Np-239, and another one to become Pu-239, the
Great Satan (tm).

If you ever have a bioassay where your urine is tested for radionuclides,
they will find plutonium (and uranium and ...), albeit in very very small
amounts. 

Therefore, by Greenpeace's definition, your urine is radioactive waste (and
should be kept in your house for your entire lifetime, until you are 
decommissioned and entombed).

I don't know if a smiley is appropriate or not.

Tino
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     "Here are the young men, the weight on their shoulders..." - J.D.
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From: jsodero@mta.ca
Newsgroups: talk.environment
Subject: HELP!!!!!!
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:02:39 GMT
Reply-To: jsodero@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada

I am currently writing my honors thesis on ecotourism and its potential
in a small town in New Brunswick.  In several articles, I have come 
across the name Hector Caballos-Lascurain as being the person who coined
the word ecotourism but can anyone tell me who he is and what agency he
works for?  Using his name in my thesis is not much help unless I can 
say who he is.  
                                     Thanks in advance,
                                                   Jane 
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From: constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino)
Subject: Re: 11/92 interview w/Dr. Ernest J. Sternglass, author of "Secret Fallout"
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 19:22:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.075836.13640@truffula.sj.ca.us> cls@truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer) writes:
>>According to this calculation, there should be NO ONE ALIVE IN THE U.S., due
>>to natural background radiation.
>>
>>The collective dose of TMI on the U.S.: 3300 person-rem (best estimate)
>>                                        2000-5000 person-rem (estimate range)
>...
>>By Sternglass' approximation, the death count from nature:
>>                                     70,000,000,000 dead Americans in 10 years
>
>Trouble with this analysis is the "collective dose of TMI" is actually
>unknown because the amount of radioactive material released is unknown.
>The instruments at TMI were disabled during some releases and
>off the scale during others.

It has been established reasonably well that the only radionuclides released
to the environment were the noble gases and I-131. No Sr, U, or Pu was 
detected in any environmental samples taken.
The TLDs surrounding the site and in the local communities were used to
estimate the 3300 person-rem figure as well.

The articles from Sternglass gave no hard figures, just "hundreds of thousands
dead". This is utterly false, and should give enough evidence to put him in
a nursing home.

>* Any problem soluble solely by arithmetic is unimportant.

Didn't do too well in math, huh?  :)

Tino
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: The Real Challenge
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:37:36

Was our life impoverished by finding a substitute for the whale oil
used in lamps?

It is conceivable that we shall have to substitute
for high quality wood, which is indeed being rapidly used up.  More
likely, we will succeed in getting high quality wood from tree farms.
As long as there is plenty of grain, there is no problem with meat.
Should we need to devote the present grain land to producing food
directly consumed by humans, then we can use synthetic carbohydrates
and bacterial proteins to feed our cattle and chickens.  As for fish,
note that a substantial fraction of the salmon sold is already farm
raised.

As for the inspirational message, when the content is mistaken,
flowery rhetoric can't save the message.


--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: talk.environment,alt.politics.greens
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: save the earth - ridiculous!
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:35:54 GMT

In article <#!d3jgf@rpi.edu> speights@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Arlen Speights) writes:
}travt@cs.curtin.edu.au (Tony Travers) writes that nature is
}
}>a really nasty piece of work (why else have we retreated to our
}>artificial existance).
}
}By "we" you must mean White Industrial Culture.

No, this applies to every people that have had the opportunity to progress
from first-wave societies.  Non-white peoples currently progressing from
pre-Industial squalor include the Koreans, Hong Kong chinese, Japanese,
and Singaporeans.

The indigenous inhabitants
}of this continent had existed in almost perfect interaction with the
}environment for at least ten thousand years and were quite fond of what
}White Modernists call a "nasty piece of work."

Then why did they adopt western medicine to lengthen their lives when they
got the chance?  If they were so content, then explain this?  Surely you
don't rely on some simplistic notion of imperialism to serve this purpose,
do you?

}Living in nature
}requires little technology--in fact it is most hostile to humans who
}rely on technology for survival.

Living about 30 years, for the most part, perhaps.  Living 70+, definitely
not.

Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire
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From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: talk.environment,sci.environment
Subject: Re: Greenpeace press releases -- fact or fiction?
Keywords: not in MY septic tank...
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:11:04 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1993Jan25.115655.25027@maths.tcd.ie> gill@maths.tcd.ie (james nolan) writes:

|Every body is asking are Greenpeaces press releases fact or fiction,I'm not 
|going to argue for or againist,but I was at a talk by a member of Greenpeace 
|last week and he said an algae was found growing on the Sellafield pipe line.
|Can anyone confirm this for me?

Can anyone tell me what difference this would maek?
-- 
Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
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