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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Stanford 1992-93 Schedule
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:31:48 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Aug19.235048.860@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:

>Is Howard a division I program?  I'm pretty sure that Sac'to State
>isn't, nor the mighty Puget Sound.  (Cliff?)
 
Not only is Howard a Div I program, they went to the NCAA's last year.  They
were a #16 seed.  

Robert Clough, DUMC (though certainly not speaking for them)
	"I'm not angry.  I'm a delightful sort of person."--Bob Dylan
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Laettner-Timberlake
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:18:32 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

>Laettner claimed, however, that he had been manhandled by Timberlake 
>earlier, just before the stomp.  I too have the tape, and I checked the
>10 previous possessions prior to the stomp, and I couldn't see anything
>physical between them.  

Exactly; there was never any contact, but because CL saw Timberlake above him
as he was trying to get up, he assumed he was the culprit.  This was 
completely incorrect.

>I'll check the tape again tonight to see about Farmer, but something about
>it sounds fishy.  Richie is listed at 6' but everyone who has seen him
>(including my brother-in-law) says that he is at best 5' 10".  For him to 
>be able to shove a 6' 11", much much heavier Laettner out of bounds by
>himself, violently or no, sounds a little incredible.

It's possible that it might have been Feldhaus, but it was certainly not
Timberlake, and it definitely did happen.  But I believe that Laettner was
slightly off balance (going up for a rebound) and was caught by surprise, 
since he never saw it coming.

>Right.  Actually, since Kentucky got only one point from their technical
>free throws, and Laettner wasn't in serious foul trouble, it was mostly
>a tempest in a teapot rather than the critical play of the game.  

Certainly.  I just found it amusing that so many people chose to focus on the
stomp as the critical play of the game and as an indictment of Christian
Laettner, when lots of other hoopsters play a physical game as well.

>One of the greatest NCAA games ever...

Watching it the first time was such a nerve-wracking experience (seeing Duke's
12 point lead blown away was not fun) that I didn't realize how perfect
the offenses of both teams were.  Just shredding the opposition.  Conventional
defenses were just not working in that game.  Game still gives me chills.


Robert Clough, DUMC (though certainly not speaking for them)
	"I'm not angry.  I'm a delightful sort of person."--Bob Dylan
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: A Look Ahead at the ACC: Maryland
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:02:33 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

Looks like Maryland's weakest area is at the center position.
How is Maryland expected to fare in ACC this season?

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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: A Stackhouse Surprise and other recruiting notes
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:06:10 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC


Jerry Stackhouse surprised everyone when he announced that he was transferring
from his hometown Kinston High to highly regarded prep school Oak Hill
Academy in Mouth of Wilson, Va.  He will be reunited with his AAU Charlotte
Sonics teammate Jeff McInnis, fueling speculation that he and McInnis will 
be attending the same school next year.
  Stackhouse says that he left Kinston in order to escape the heavy scrutiny
focused upon him by recruiters and the media, saying that M.o.W. is more 
isolated.  Also, he said that they weren't enough talented players at Kinston
to push him and improve his game.  He said that playing on the talented 
Oak Hill team with five other big time talents (McInnis,Jermaine Smith,
Tavares Johnson, Jason Thomas and Makhtor Ndiaye) will be just like having
an early freshman year of college.
   How does this impact on his recruitment? Stackhouse has said that he is still
considering six schools: Duke, Florida State, UNC, NC State, Virginia and
Wake Forest.  A half brother attended FSU, and some have said that going to
Oak Hill might pave the way to go there as well.  His desire to play with
super-successful teams might give the nod to Duke or UNC, although it is
doubtful he would start immediately at either school.  Virginia and Wake
seem to be good options; two schools on the rise, and Stackhouse could be
the final piece of the puzzle for both.  Can you imagine Stackhouse teamed
up with Junior Burrough or Rodney Rogers?  NC State might be seen as a last
option; they are likely to be a second division team this year, and
Stackhouse's reluctance to play on a team that is not super-talented might
scare him away.  This might point to him delaying his decision until
the spring, to see who stays at which programs and who goes.  He said 
recently that he was thinking of doing this.
  In other news, Randy Livingston announced his final five college choices:
LSU, Kentucky, Duke, UNC and Michigan.   He would probably start if he went to
Duke, but was displeased when they recruited Jeff Capel.  He would not start
for a year at UNC because of Derrick Phelps, although UNC was his long-time
favorite team.  He would certainly start at LSU, but the overall talent level
there is much less than at the other schools.  Kentucky just brought in 
Tony Delk, and Michigan will still have Jalen Rose and Jimmy King in the 
backcourt for two more years.  This one's a toss-up.
  Keith Booth's coach announced that he won't be making a decision until
spring, after Stackhouse has made his.  Maryland really wants him, and Duke has
shown some recent signs of interest as well.

   


Robert Clough, DUMC (though certainly not speaking for them)
	"I'm all sixes and sevens and nines."--M.Jagger
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Nike Top 25
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:30:38 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <55654@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.125018.10085@cci632.cci.com> dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:
>>
>>This kid is 7'0" and is ONLY going to be a junior? What does that make him
>>16 years old? and that tall? My God! It must be something in the water!

"I'm big for my age, 'cause we live near a nookler reactor."
						- Whoopi Goldberg

>Actually, I think its pretty common for 7 footers to be that big that
>young. Ron Reis was 7'1" and about 280 as a freshman in highschool,
>he was a 7 footer in fact in 7th grade according to local legend.
>
>I think guys that big get their growth spurt real young usually,
>I think David Robinson was real unusual to grow that much that 
>late.
>

Just to back that up, I went to high school with Jermain "Bookworm" Parker of
UNC-Charlotte (he left Enloe H.S., Raleigh, NC, in '89 because of some
administrative garbage), and I can remember him being 6-9 or so in the 7th
grade.  He's 6-11 now.

Of course, I'm still waiting for my late growth spurt, but I've been 5'7" all
my life, so I doubt much will change soon. :)

>
>Russ Smith
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Re: UofL Sched plus Attendance, Vitale News
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 13:51:18 GMT

In article <66541@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>
>Here are the Cardinal's basketball schedule, plus general info on
>basketball and Final Four attendance, plus Vitale's top 5 picks
>for the upcoming season.
>
>LOUISVILLE BASKETBALL SCHEDULE

Speaking of UL's schedule, I notice Memphis State isn't on it again.
What's the story on why Louisville and Memphis State can't still
play each other despite having gone their separate ways regarding
conferences?  That was a great rivalry.

david
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Laettner-Timberlake
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:42:12 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC


>Laettner went flying about 8 feet (rolling into the backboard support
>and into the arms of a referee), which seemed all out of proportion
>to the power Feldhaus could've delivered.  I imagine that coaches
>encourage players to go flying when they are fouled (or think they
>are fouled), to be sure the ref notices.

Dr. J, I first want to thank you for checking this out.  After reading your
account, I watched the tape one more time and then thought of what Dean Smith
once said about Laettner.  It was after Laettner had won ACC POY and Deano
bitterly said that Laettner should also get an Oscar in addition to his POY
trophy.  If there's one thing Dean hates, it's players who pretend to get 
hacked in order to draw fouls.  So it is entirely possible that CL "took a
dive" (as it were) to draw the foul.  I was looking more at the effect of the
play (CL flying out of bounds), rather than the cause (a shove, but not as 
hard a shove as I first thought).

>guys called anything.  Timberlake stood on the line to guard the
>inbound pass from Christian, but I couldn't tell if he was doing
>any woofing or not (his back was towards the camera).  It is hard
>to see how Laettner could've had any idea who shoved him.

Exactly.  That's why I think he thought Timberlake did it, because he was the
only player near him afterwards.

>It didn't impress me as a cheap
>shot the way the Laettner stomp was (although granted he didn't step
>all that hard).

I agree.  This may have been a case of "they kill one of ours, we kill ten
of theirs", in an attempt at intimidation.  But as Coach K once said to
Laettner when Boston U. was hacking him all game..."What?  You think you're
too good to be fouled?"

Robert Clough, DUMC (though certainly not speaking for them)
	"I'm all sixes and sevens and nines."--M.Jagger
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Nike Top 25
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:13:24 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner) writes:

>Of course, I'm still waiting for my late growth spurt, but I've been 5'7" all
>my life...

Wow - I pity your mom.  Woman of steel, and all that.

More germaine to the topic - speaking as someone who was, to coin a phrase,
big for his size, I'm a firm believer that skinny (small-boned) kids tend
to grow in spurts while large-boned kids tend to just be big and grow fairly
slowly.

That, along with the fact that we're talking about some serious off-the-chart
numbers, suggest that people who think "he's still growing" are whistling in
the dark.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin)
Subject: Athletic Graduation Rate (was Re: Indiana graduation rate)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:33:50 GMT

Alan McKay writes:
>To what I origionally said:
>
>
>>Probably an even more fair comparision would be between athletes and students
>>who did not have to work for their tuition money (through parents, grants, or
>>whatever).
>
>I do ~not~ intend on being an apologist for athletes who don't graduate, but
>the comparison between "students who did not have to work for their tuition
>money" and athletes, is specious ~and~ disingenuous. Intercollegiate athletics
>is extremely time consuming; from a simple time committment perspective, 

[much more about how time consuming sports are deleted]

I do not disagree with the time consuming nature of college athletics. Having
a brother who participated in a minor non-revenue sport (tennis) at a major
university (Nebraska) I can give a first hand account of how time consuming
the activity can be.

However, I stand by my original statement.

I know students who worked full time jobs (40 hours a week or more) and
still couldn't make ends meet. I do not believe that any team practices/
plays more than 40 hours a week due to NCAA restrictions on practice time,
even when in season.

College sports are not in season year round. Yet the scholarships are paid
all year, even through the summer. Many schools pay the fifth year of a 
scholarship whether the athlete was red-shirted or not.

Student athletes have access to free tutoring and improved academic
facilities (i.e word processors and typeists). Furthermore, the faculty is
generally pretty lenient toward athletes missing classes/deadlines due to
travel, but not so understanding if a student does the same due to work.
These are advantages no other demographic group of students receives.

You are correct in that there really is no direct parallel between the student
and the student-athlete. However, I still believe that the most fair comparsion
in graduation rates is between non-working students and the athletes.

Just my .02
Teresa
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From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Stanford 1992-93 Schedule
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:04:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug20.170423.7135
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>Is Howard a division I program?  I'm pretty sure that Sac'to State
>isn't, nor the mighty Puget Sound.  (Cliff?)

Zzz, Hmm, Snort.....  Huh?  Did somebody say something?

No, UPS is not division I.  They are division II (I believe).

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University of Washington      *   a bunch of pigeons. 
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: A Look Ahead at the ACC: Maryland
From: mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:12:35 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Vitro Corporation

In article <170mvcINN8kr@cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron
Ward) writes:
>In article <4629@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>|In article <1992Aug18.134257.40096@watson.ibm.com>, 
>jonms@watson.ibm.com writes:
>|.>> TRIVIA QUESTION:  In what year did Maryland win their only ACC 
>|championship?
>|>  1984, led by sophomore Lenny Bias.
>|
>|Correct.  Although this was an easy question!
>|
>
>Actually, I'm surprised that they never won the ACC when they had 
>Ben Coleman, Herman Veal & Adrian Branch.  I seem to remember them
>having another talented guard, too.
>
>Rick
>

The 1984 team that won the ACC started Ben Coleman, Adrian Branch, Herman Veal,
Len Bias, and Keith Gatlin (the talented guard you mentioned).

BTW, my unbiased opinion says that Maryland will finish about 7th. Last year,
they were one game from finishing seventh (I believe a win by Wake over NC
State and/or a win by the Terps over Virginia on the last day of the season
would have sealed it; of course neither happend). Losing Walt Williams hurts,
but look for good things from Evers Burns!!

My 2 cents.

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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: A Look Ahead at the ACC: Maryland
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:00:51 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Aug18.134257.40096@watson.ibm.com>, jonms@watson.ibm.com writes:
.>> TRIVIA QUESTION:  In what year did Maryland win their only ACC championship?
>  1984, led by sophomore Lenny Bias.

Correct.  Although this was an easy question!

>  Thanks for posting all the UMd info for those of us in the ACC hinterlands.

My pleasure.  The Terps will be fun to watch, but I do think it will be a long
year for Gary Williams.  The other ACC members have too much of what Maryland
lacks.  But if Clemson gets hard hit with penalties early, and some of their
players transfer at midseason, I nominate Clemson instead of Maryland for the
ACC cellar.

Robert Clough, DUMC (though certainly not speaking for them)
	"I'm not angry.  I'm a delightful sort of person."--Bob Dylan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Alabama self-defense
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:29:51 GMT

In article <66284@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)  
writes:
> stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) wrote:
> }
> }just how unjustly former Alabama football coach Bear Bryant 
> }was treated after he tried
> }to defend himself from a player on an opposing team who 
> }was obviously behaving in a
> }hysterical manner by actually trying to walk off the 
> }field at the end of a game.
> 
> Are you on some sort of bad acid?  Bear Bryant was never involved in
> anything like this.  You are thinking of Woody Hayes, who coached 
> a bit further north and probably never even met Wimp Sanderson.

You are correct, sir.  And nobody has mentioned Timberlake's chest
apologizing to Laettner's foot!!

Orin


> Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: kennedy@inter-tel.com (Matt Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Mario Bennett out for the season
Keywords: DDD
Organization: Inter-Tel, Inc. (Chandler, AZ)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 23:20:40 GMT

In <1992Aug10.174912.24364@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:


>     Mario Bennett tore his anterior cruciate
>ligament during a pickup game and is out of the
>next collegiate basketball season.

>     Asked about the loss of yet another big
>man next year (Ronaldson leaving for the
>Australian pros and the mysterious 7-footer
>that never played a game), Coach Wild Bill
>Frieder commented:

>         *HEE-HAW* *HEE-HAW-HONNNNKEY*

Ouch.  The loss of Mario (together with Ronaldson's departure to the Pros)
seems to spell another year of mediocrity for the Devils.

I also noticed Faulkner failed to fulfill his community service obligation
and may face further sentencing.  It will be tough for the Devils to compete
with him in handcuffs.

=====================
Matthew S. Kennedy
kennedy@inter-tel.com
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From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Nike Top 25
Date: 12 Aug 1992 13:58:46 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug12.134638.9685@cci632.cci.com> dxj@cci632.cci.com (Dennis Joyce) writes:
|
|Wasn't Robinson only 6'6" when he signed up for the Navy Academy? So that
|would have made him a junior. He grew another 6" while at Navy. Amazing.


Yeah, but it seems like most basketball players "grow" at least 2 inches as
soon as they join a college team...

Rick

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Stanford 1992-93 Schedule
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:12:44 GMT

trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>Not only is Howard a Div I program, they went to the NCAA's last year.  They
>were a #16 seed.  

Rats.  I have dissed Stanford's opponents without checking any of the
facts first.  I do apologize.


--Gidi
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Middle Tennessee State violations
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:16:54 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I caught this very short blurb in the August 18th Seattle Times.  Anyone
out there who knows more about the situation?

	Middle Tennessee State admitted to 11 violations of NCAA rules
	in its basketball program under former coach Bruce Stewart
	between April 1987 and August 1990, including that he allegedly
	paid players to participate in basketball camps.  Stewart is 
	coach of Grand Rapids in the CBA.

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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,rec.sport.olympics,rec.sport.basketball.pro,rec.sport.basketball.misc
Subject: Re: BASKETBALL: Women's results (day 2)
Keywords: women's basketball, olympics
Date: 3 Aug 92 19:38:23 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Aug3.191357.7880@ncar.ucar.edu> grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin) writes:
>
>
>etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil Thomas Chuck) writes:
>>AND NOW, WOMEN'S BASKETBALL RESULTS
>
>>DAY TWO RESULTS:
>>USA 93	CHN 67
>
>[...]
>
>Did anyone else read about the center for the Chinese Women's
>hoops team?  She's something like 6'7" and about 230lbs.  The
>story I read said that the "equivalent" to this on a men's team
>would be a guy who is 7'5" and 333lbs.  Yikes.
>
>--
>Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
>"A fungus.  Among us."  MST3K crew

Well, late one night in the Olympics broadcast, they showed her posing with
the Dream Team, and those guys who we think are so big...looked like they
were dwarfed by her.  She was taller and wider than Charles Barkley, looked
Magic Johnson and Karl Malone in the eye (I'm sure neither of them have had
a woman do this) and made David Robinson look like a toothpick.  I think
she's 6'8'' and well...a lot heavier than 230 lbs.