HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cwm54@cas.org ()
Subject: Clinton
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:07:17 GMT







      This is my first time on the net and I didn,t use the best format

      but I'm responding to the previous article regarding Clinton's
      courting of white america by distancing himself from "us".
      This troubled me greatly at first but the reality is that he
      MUST do this because of the extreme nature of racism in this country.
      I'm usually in the minority but I am convinced the overriding factor
      in presidential elections is race;not the economy,environment etc.,
      RACE. Ronald Reagan won twice by subtley telling the country he would
      put us and keep us in our place.(maybe he wasn't so subtle) I believe
      nobody would be as bad as the Reagan-Bush administration,so by any legal means
      means necessary I want the republicans out of there. By the way could
      someone tell me why any black person could even THINK about being a
      republican? I know democrats let us down but in general they aren't
      actively hostile to us.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette)
Subject: Re: MLK & U-2 & Disposable Heroes of Hip.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 10:45:46 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Sep4.000806.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu>
mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu(Jason Mills) asks:

>I'd like to hear some opinions.  Do people think MLK is just out of 
>style now, but his message will endure?  What about all those young white
>people cheering him?

The "problem" with MLK's message is that it has been co-opted by the
white establishment as the paragon of what "the Black struggle" should
be. There's nothing "wrong" per se with the message, just how it is
being used by the very institutions it was meant to fight. MLK's message
of non-violent struggle is being super-hyped as *the* correct way to
affect change while the philosophies of the many Turner's, Hampton's,
and X's throughout history are labelled as bad, violent, and counter-
productive. MLK's message is fine for those who subscribe to conventional
Christian ideology and thus believe that violence (even in self defense)
will prevent one from attaining everlasting life in some heaven. It is no
accident that Malcolm X, as a Muslim, couldn't accept MLK's Christian-
inspired vision. Perhaps the white establishment's endorsement of MLK's
"Christ-like" message is a result of it being more familiar than Malcolm's
Islam-inspired message. Or perhaps it is a result of something less
subconscious: in the end, both Malcolm and MLK met the very same *violent*
fate; it didn't really matter that one had preached unconditional non-
violence and the other had preached conditional violence. But in the eyes
of those in power, the ride is a bit more comfortable with someone who
preaches non-violence because at least that person is guaranteed not
to shoot back! As for the relatively powerless (but nonetheless privileged)
masses of whites (like the ones at the U2 concert who found it easy to
cheer MLK), their "participation" serves as a transient drug that momentarily
assuages feelings of guilt.

	Darryle

"If King loses, worse leaders are going to take his place. Look at
the Black Muslims." -- Robert Kennedy, 5/14/63

"If the white people realize what the alternative is, perhaps they
will be more willing to hear Dr. King" -- Malcolm X, 2/3/65
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: faye and carl
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:08:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.230122.9862@morrow.stanford.edu>
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>Faye and Carl have come out.

Damn. Snagged one of the fine ones this time.

-- 
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OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
Not one of the "PC" weenies.
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Cammie Fay Paglia
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:03:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.131657.13727@gagme.chi.il.us>,
barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:
>This is in reply to stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall), who wrote:
>:HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>:
>:>The Muj (as that crypto-fascist David Horowitz called them) may have
>:>kicked Russkie ass out of Afghanistan, but I still have major
>:>problems with them, as I do with Islam, around women's issues. Same
>:>with Iran, but of course, the wrong types of women went there trying
>:>to get Iranian women to eschew the chador...Betty Friedan for one.
>:
>:Shoulda sent Cammie Fay Paglia :-) Anyway, the Sufi women from Iran
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>*This* is a new one on me.  Do academics get a tabloid
>that I don't know about (besides, of course, Spy)?
>
>She has been featured in the past year in the New Re ... ahem,
>THE NEW REPUBLIC and mm mm mmmm, she is a trip.
.
Then I said (with some corrections):
.
I cannot STAND Cammie Fay Paglia, and her new book is just more
self-promotion and mean, and I mean, MEAN spiritedness.  Ignore this
bitch, which is what Gloria Steinem and Susan Sontag, her primary
targets, are doing. I look with askance to someone who promotes rape
as an erotic event and who gets published in Playboy and Esquire.
Just who is she is fooling?  I'll be posting a review of her stuff
to little Stevie Stovall...you wanna copy?
.
I forgot to add:
.
I'd love to see bell hooks flip this broad for a loop.  "Breaking
Bread" and "Black Looks: Race and Representation"...this girl is
what folks should be reading instead of this major anti-feminist
LOAD.
From: kim@.cs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Steele's _The_Content_Of_Our_Character_
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:35:22 GMT
Reply-To: kim@.cs.umass.edu ()
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

It's been in print for a while, but I just got done reading it.  I
agreed with many of Shelby Steele's ideas.

I would like to hear responses from those who have read it.


                            
   John Kim               Before you slip into unconsciousness 
                          I'd like to have another kiss...
                                                       (jm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Seven Prison Cells For Seven Dangerous Criminals
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:29:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.231148.846@usl.edu>,
pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
>                        NOTE TO THE READER
>
>        This person's next move will probably be
>        to dredge up a few old postings of mine,
>        deliberately take a few lines out of context,
>        and use them to construct a bogus argument to
>        "prove" that I am homophobic, and therefore racist.
>        Or do you prefer pretending to be an SS-interrogator
.
.
(Other useless twaddle omitted...)
.
.
Just like the other twaddle posted to us Niggeroes and Niggerenes
(stolen from Gwendolyn Brooks)...we are simply NOT interested...
.
Turn the page...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Re: Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and African-Americans
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:25:25 GMT

	The only time politicians pay attention to
	people's wishes is just before an election.

	If they are ignoring us now, just before an
	important race which demands every vote they
	can muster, you can be absolutly certain that
	they will feel no obligation once the contest
	is over---regardless of the outcome.

	The Democratic leadership is abandoning
	African American issues not as an emergency
	win-the-election tactic, but as a calculated
	long-term strategy to win back much of its
	original core support: poor white southerners.

	The departure of Democratic chairman Ron Brown
	will simply consummate this power shift.


				Gerard Vignes

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: The Republican Party Welcomes African Americans
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:45:14 GMT

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:43:56 -0400 
From: Dean Calloway <dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Clinton

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 13-Sep-92 Re:
Clinton by "None of ya Bizness"@epx 
> But for the most part the Repubs are much more succinct and vocal
> about the fact that black people are not part of the crowd.  The Demos
> for the most part want to act like we are part of the crowd (to get
> the votes of course), but in reality don't want us around either.

I wouldn't be so sure.  As with any organization, the more of us
involved in the process, the more influence we will have.  Participation
in the Rep. party by Blacks is minimal.  On the other hand,
participation in the Democratic party is strong enough so that we do
influence decisions to soem degree. 


>  
> $I don't think anyone would disagree that things have become
> $progressively worse for a great many blacks in this country over the
> $past 12 years.  Coincidentally, those same 12 years happened to be
> $headed by a Rep. in the White House.
>  
> Unfortunately there are black people out there who think the situation
> has either gotten better, or hasn't gotten worse.  Those are the Black
> Republicans.  They vote for Bush and his gang because they feel that
> what Bush has done in the past 4 years has bettered their individual
> situations.  People always ask "How the hell can a black person be a
> republican???"  That's why, IMHO.

Agreed...

>  
> $BTW I have much more respect for someone who, after his term in office,
> $commits his time to helping build low income housing for the poor
> $(former President Carter... incidentally, some of the ONLY housing to
> $withstand Hurrican Andrew) than the last president who seems content to
> $live on his sprawling estate writing books and  making appearances.  
>  
> Hey, it's the American Way.

I think the major difference in arguments here is that I do think there
are some whites who care enough to do something about the way things are
in this country... for all of us, regarless of color... most of these
people, when it comes to picking a party, tend to pick Democrat...

DCAL
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: [UPI] High court strikes down ethnic intimidation law
Date: 5 Sep 92 09:55:59 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Aug28.131307.8755@gdstech.grumman.com> david@gdstech.UUCP (David Nettles) writes:

# >       The Ohio Supreme Court, in its decision, apparently
# >disagreed.
# >       ``Enhancing a penalty because of the motive ... punishes a
# >person's thought, rather than the person's act or criminal
# >intent,'' the court said in an opinion written by sssociate justice
# >Herbert Brown.

# Someone here at my job made the same assertion, and therefore
# concluded that burning a cross on a Black person's lawn should not
# be considered a hate crime, but an act of free speech protected by
# the constitution and further the perpetrators should not be charged
# with anything more than property damage.
#
# So I asked him, "Do you see a difference between property damage
# and this expression of free speech."
#
# "No."
#
# "What is the difference between manslaughter and murder?", I asked.
#
# "I don't know?"
#
# "Intent.

I don't agree with your colleague's free speech argument (maybe if
they want to get a permit and burn a cross on their *own* lawn, but
not on mine), but I don't think you can equate motive and intent.  In
fact, if you look at the court's wording, you can see that they are
distinguished.

Let's say a teenage boy knocks out a neighbor's window with a
baseball.  It might have been an accident, or it might have been
intentional.  *If* it's intentional, then the question of motive
arises.  He could have done it just to see if he could, or because the
neighbor girl turned him down for a date, or because the neighbors are
stinking rotten Belgians.

I'm not sure why "hate crime" legislation is necessary, since if the
action is really a crime it should be punishable as such, and we
already have laws on the books against harassment, intimidation, etc.
Maybe the problem is that these laws are so seldom enforced that to do
so only in racial contexts would be challengeable as selective
enforcement.

David
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: eugenics, NY Times sep. 5
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:59:50 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Sep15.122354.7530@rock.concert.net> bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:
>In article <1992Sep13.060602.15282@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>In article <92256.020527GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET> GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>>>Please read New York Times front page sept. 5, 1992!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>>The newspaper article speaks of " 'identifying  indiviuals  who may be
>>>predisposed to cerain kinds of criminal conduct, of isolating environmental
>>>features which trigger those predispositions, and of treaing some
>>>predispositions with drugs and unintusive therapies.' "

>>So what's wrong with that?

>	What`s wrong with the program is that it only wants
>to consider African American children. 

Well, that would be wrong.  Mind telling us all how you found this
out?  After all, even if that was what was being planned they would
hardly make it public.

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From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:33:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:

>In article <stovall.715550501@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall) writes:
>>
>>I aint down with homophobia...but I sure aint down with homophilia...
>>and neither was Malcolm X or El Hajj Malik. You cant be a Muslim (or
>>even a Sufi mystic :-) and say that there is no God and no revelation
>>and no hereafter, so get busy, everything is permissable.

>What does homosexuality have to do with denying the existance of God?
>This black, gay, christian would like to know. (Oh well, now I've said
>it. I can smell smoke rising from those keyboards now.)

Belief that homosexuality is not evil denies Judeo-Christian and Islamic
scripture and hence denies the Judeo-Christian and Islamic God.

>	It is funny how simply mentioning that a man had a homosexual
>experience or two suddenly makes his admirers nervous that someone is
>trying to say that the man was gay (because this is, of course,
>interpreted as a negative attack on his character), as if one or two
>experiences could label a person gay. Would it make youf eel better if
>he were simply bisexual? 

I don't care about his early homosexual experiences, even if they
in fact happened (again, I am very sceptical of this assertion; for one
thing it does not seem to appear in Hoover's FBI files). What I objected
to was a suggestion that Malcolm may have eventually validated homosexuality,
had he lived. He could never have validated homosexuality without becoming
an apostate. This is therefore using an unproven assertion to promote a
political agenda at the expense of a man's name.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: MLK & U-2 & Disposable Heroes of Hip.
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:29:27 GMT

This is in reply to guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory), who wrote:
:barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:
:>change," as the Jesus People say.  In that pursuit, I'm sorry to
:>say, I don't see much of a role for U2 and the rest of the 
:>entertainment industry, unless they bring these stories right to 
:>the fore and say, "This is why we are here today for this concert/
:>film/performance," rather than flash an image or two, sing a few
:>lyrics over blaring guitar, and call it socially responsible.
:
:Actually, this is just what U2 is trying very hard NOT to do.
:They have made it quite clear in interviews that they are trying
:to move away from their "rockers as messiahs" image, at least for
:this tour. The show is basically a satiric comment on how we
:are barraged with information in this technological age. In that
:light, I would take the flashing of the MLK images as a biting 
:statement on how we are just looking at the pictures, and not
:getting the message. 

Well, I do fancy myself an intellectual, so I'm used to subtlety,
but don't you think that's bein a bit too subtle?  Especially when
you're white boys from Ireland -- shouldn't you spend a little less
time orchestrating the esoterica and a little more time wondering if
you'll send a particular group one of whose symbols you're approp-
riating the wrong message?

Just wondering.

-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Employment Opportunities
Date: 15 Sep 1992 02:53:44 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Does anyone know how one might find out the current employment situation
in Nigeria or any African Country for that matter.  Major area of
interest.  Computer Science.  Thanks...
--bob
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: The Republican Party Welcomes African Americans
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:41:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.004514.28195@usl.edu> pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:
$		Come aboard!  There's Plenty of Room!
$
$
$		Hap-py days are here a-gain!
$		The sky a-bove is clear a-gain!
$				...
$
$	(A public service anouncement of Radio Free Lafayette)
$

Why don't you give me some of that shit you been smokin.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            	
	"Arresk the Presidink!"
				-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: faye and carl
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:01:22 GMT

Something really floored me reading the paper today at lunch, and
then I started laughing:

Faye and Carl have come out.

Faye Wattleton, formerly of Planned Parenthood and Carl Bernstein
of Washington Post-fame, are boyfriend and girlfriend.  Their
travelling to Moscow together marks the public avowal that they
are an item.

I guess Carl got bored with ambassador's wives and Liz Taylor and
decided to go for something a bit more substantial...

Faye, my girl, good luck!

Faye and Carl can't do much worse than Roger Ebert (the fat one
from Siskel and Ebert) and his new wife, a black attorney in
Chicago. Course, Mrs. Ebert can't stop Roger from trumpeting that
the best movie ever made was the Russ Meyer potboiler he co-scripted
called "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls"...yet.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: Seven Prison Cells For Seven Dangerous Criminals
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Keywords: Felons, Five Years in the Pen, Thirty-Five on Parole
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 18:42:56 GMT

	It's OK to beat white people
	because it's OK to beat black people,
	and we don't want to seem prejudiced, now do we?

	Since they let the white guys get off scott free
	then the black guys should get off too.
	That's only fair, now isn't it?

	(unless your name is Rodney King or Reginald Denny)

	It's never OK to beat someone,
	because that next someone may be you
	or your children or your spouse or your parents.

	We can't pick trial sites, judges, and juries by race,
	let cops break the law, thugs extract vengance,
	or continue to excuse inexcusable behavior.
	
						Gerard Vignes


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american