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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:59:50 EST
From:         Bill Gruber <BIGCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VLIB's getting corrupted...

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:42:32 +0100 Kris Van Hees said:

>Well, maybe the upcoming 2.5 release will at least solve part of this problem.
>Because the MSGIDS file will be split in a number of smaller files (48 or so),
>the addition of a larger msgid will only affect the lrecl of one small file.
>This would mean, instead of widening 40000 records, only widening about 834
>records!  That does save some disk space compared to the current situation.

That was 400,000 records, not 40,000, but yeah, would still help, of course.

Bill Gruber
City University of New York Computer Center
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From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: help for a new installation
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:02:26 GMT

EARNMNT@UNI-BOCCONI.IT (Stefano Renzi) writes:
: Hi netnews users,
:                   I have just finished to install Netnews (2.4.4) on my
: old VM/SP rel. 4 (ok ok I am going to VM/ESA 1.1 in few months) and I
: see on the Netnews console messages like these:
: 
: 19:13:08 Initialization complete
: DMSSVT121S UNSUPPORTED SVC 204 (HEX CC) CALLED FROM 006FA6.
: DMSSVT121S UNSUPPORTED SVC 204 (HEX CC) CALLED FROM 0073CA.
: DMSSVT121S UNSUPPORTED SVC 204 (HEX CC) CALLED FROM 007416.
: 
: I don't know if this message is related to the old version of my VM/SP
: or if I have missing something during the installation.
: 
: Someone can help me and suggest a solution other than kill VM/SP :-) ??
: 

I *believe* that SVC 204 was introduced in VM/SP 5 CMS.

If you get the source to RXIUCV, and reassemble it, it *may* work.  Or it
may not.  CMS4 has been unsupported for some time, if I remember right (hard
to say, I've been using Unix for the last year).

--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug

cat core | uuencode bunny.dropping | mail jp@tygra.michigan.com
From: NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Nelson Broat)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.netnws-l
Subject: Re: VLIB's getting corrupted...
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:03:48 GMT
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On Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:00:21 +0100 Kris Van Hees said:
>Hello,
>
>The last few days the group comp.unix.bsd seems to have got corrupted every
>so often.  Usually the only way to solve it is to issue a PURGE AHEAD...
>I have been able to (possibly) track down the problem to postings with a
>rather long email and message-id.  The email is:
>
>/S=BLANSFIE/OU=EM-01/O=CCMGW/PRMD=GOV+USDOE.G02/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/@
>mailgw.er.doe.gov
>
>(Note that I did a line-wrap because of mail width limitations.)
>
>Seems that the /CREPLACE and /INPUT commands for XEDIT do a truncation of
>the string they input in the file.  I have not found any solution to this
>problem unless I insert the article-to-be-posted in a temp file which I
>read into XEDIT with the (WIDTH option as to avoid truncation.  Anyone
>got a solution to this problem?  It DOES corrupt the comp.unix.bsd VLIB
>rather completely, making it impossible to read this group.
>
>This is a MAJOR problem if you ask me.
>
>Regards,
>Kris Van Hees (working on it myself, of course...)

It IS A MAJOR problem!

This is exactly what I was talking about, about 10 days ago or so. Since
then I've added a fix to truncate the message-ids that get written to the
message-id file, since the long msgids cause the fixed file to have an huge
lrecl and subsequently each up a huge amount of disk space. Now that part of
it is more managable. I choose to truncate the message-ids to 100 characters,
though in all likelihood 60 would be just as good a choice since most
message-ids seem to run in the 30-50 character length range.

As for the GROUP and VLIB file itself, I have not had time to apply a similiar
fix to them as well, but probably will. If the messageid is truncated to a
reasonable length, then this problem would not ocuurs at all, IMHO.


Nelson
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:48:47 EST
From: Linda Littleton <LRL@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.netnws-l
Subject: Re: VLIB's getting corrupted...

In article <NETNWS-L%92121605463626@VM1.NODAK.EDU>, Kris Van Hees
<GUTEST6@BLEKUL11.BITNET> says:

>Is there any reason to truncate it in the NETNEWS MSGIDS file?  I think one
>ought to keep the msgid like it was sent, for lookup, especially because the
>VM NNTP server has to rely on the msgids for lookup.

Hmmm... I'll have to look into this.  I'll apologize one more time for not
having done much with Netnews lately.  I'm planning to install 2.5 here in
January and want to get beyond that before making other changes.  Hopefully
I'll be able to look at this and some of the other things people have sent
early in 1993.
From: rcota@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx (Ing. Rafael Cota Rivas)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.netnws-l
Subject: c-news in a RS6000 & AIX 3.2
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:20:24 GMT
Organization: SEIS, ITESM Campus Sonora Norte

Hi all,
I'm trying to configure the c-news system in our RS6000 with the AIX 3.2, 
but I'm having some troubles, when I run the doit.bin part, it sends me this 
message:

+ make u CC=bsdcc COPTS=-O DBM= 
	yacc  getdate.y
conflicts: 8 shift/reduce
	bsdcc -O -I../include -c y.tab.c
"getdate.y", line 19.39: 1506-030 (S) Identifier daylight cannot be redeclared.
make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 1.
Make Quitting.
+ exit 1 

	If you know what am I doing wrog, please e-mail me your answer at

rcota@aniachi.her.itesm.mx
rcota@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx

	Thank you in advanced for all your help.

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From: EARNMNT@UNI-BOCCONI.IT (Stefano Renzi)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.netnws-l
Subject: help for a new installation
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:08:35 GMT
Organization: Univ. BOCCONI, Milano, Italy (node IMIBOCCO on EARN/BITNET)
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

Hi netnews users,
                  I have just finished to install Netnews (2.4.4) on my
old VM/SP rel. 4 (ok ok I am going to VM/ESA 1.1 in few months) and I
see on the Netnews console messages like these:

19:13:08 Initialization complete
DMSSVT121S UNSUPPORTED SVC 204 (HEX CC) CALLED FROM 006FA6.
DMSSVT121S UNSUPPORTED SVC 204 (HEX CC) CALLED FROM 0073CA.
DMSSVT121S UNSUPPORTED SVC 204 (HEX CC) CALLED FROM 007416.

I don't know if this message is related to the old version of my VM/SP
or if I have missing something during the installation.

Someone can help me and suggest a solution other than kill VM/SP :-) ??

              Thanks
                        Ste

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Centro di Calcolo          Fax         : +39-2-5836.3119
Universita' Bocconi        Telex       : 316003 - UNIBOC
Via Sarfatti 25            Earn/Bitnet : earnmnt@imibocco
20136 Milano - Italy       Internet    : earnmnt@uni-bocconi.it
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:51:00 CST
From:         "Dwight Cook (SYSDC)" <SYSDC@UOKMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VM/TCPIP hangs when telnet

------------------------------TEXT-OF-YOUR-MAIL--------------------------------

> From:         Sabariah Ismail <SABARIAH@UTMKL.BITNET>
> Subject:      VM/TCPIP hangs when telnet
>
> We are in the midst of testing our new TCP/IP network. We have VM/TCPIP on the
> host and connected to an Ethernet and a Token Ring via a 3172. The problem is
> the TCPIP service machine on VM will hang everytime any machine on the network
> try to telnet to it. So far no such event occur if we use tn3270. Can anyone
> help, please. I have looked through the VM/TCPIP manual and couldn't find wher
e
> exactly I did wrong. VM/TCPIP installed is the older version 2.1
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> /Sabariah Ismail

I don't know about VM  but on MVS in the initialization files there is a
LINEMODE APPLICATION it might be that you do not mention any applications
to connect to if the user is comming in via a line mode terminal....
this would explain the connect when using TN3270 which connects as a full
screen terminal.....
later
     Dwight
           Take this as a grain of salt since I am a MVS/XA shop
                                                                Cook

Systems Programmer
University of Oklahoma
From: psoc1344@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-nets
Subject: IBM
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:57:58 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University




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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:17:05 PDT
From:         DI001@CALPOLY.BITNET
Subject:      Using CUTCP with MS-LAN MANAGER AND HP EtherTwist Cards

We have a college on campus which has a large number of machines connected
via an HP Ethertwist 10 Base-T network where they are also running
Microsoft LAN Manager client software.  We would like to replace the
"Telnet" included by HP with CUTCP (Clarkson U. TCP).

The "telnet" from HP utilizes some drivers and MS-Kermit.  Of course that means
only one session and slow.  CUTCP provides 1 tn3270 session (required) and 19
to 20 vt100 connections.  I have been able to get it to work with the old
Clarkson Packet drivers without the network client software.  We need to get
it working with the network client software.

Any and all help appreciated.  Please send e-mail directly to one of the
addresses below.

*********************************************************************
George L. Westlund         | BITNET:      DI001@CALPOLY
Academic Computing Services| Internet:    gwestlu@polyslo.calpoly.edu
Cal Poly                   | Phone:       (805) 756-2516
San Luis Obispo, CA  93407 |
**********************************************************************
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:38:44 -0800
From:         jeff@NSIPO.NASA.GOV
Subject:      Re: VM/TCPIP hangs when telnet
              14 Dec 92 12:09:36 -1100."
              <199212140431.AA00181@ames.arc.nasa.gov>

This sounds like a very old problem dealing with how the client
telnet implements (or doesn't) line mode option. New versions
of telnet (based on 4.3) shouldn't have this problem.

Thanks,
Jeff
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:46:20 GMT
From:         Dave Wade <DAVEW@D.SSS.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: VM/TCPIP hangs when telnet
              14 Dec 1992 12:09:36 MAL from <SABARIAH@BITNET.UTMKL>

Hi,
 Do you mean the TCP/IP service machine hangs or the TELNET session
hangs??. Actually in either case the problem is with the interface
to VM. For  TN3270 terminals TCP/IP uses "logical device support"
but for line mode it uses "SNA/CCS". As the SNA/CCS is considered
by IBM to be an internal interface they keep changing it. So you must
make sure that the service applied to your TCP/IP matchs the service
applied to VM. This is a real problem. If your VM is farly down level
you may need to down-level TCP-IP to match, or to add more service.

Given this is ok there are other gremlins which can be overlooked.

 1) Make sure you have given the TCP-IP machine the necessary
privliges to access the CCS, i.e. IUCV *CCS in the directory. If you
have a security product <VM-Secure, RACF ...> then make sure that is
not getting in the way.

 2) You need to issue a "CP ENABLE SNA" to allow things to work
from a suitably authorised user.

If you have done the above then a "CP Q N" should showVSM-TCPIP
at the end of the list. If it dosn't the initial connection to the
CCS is not being set up and you should check the service levels.

Hope some of the above helps. Dave
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:33:25 -0600
From:         RAY <TOMLIN@ADCALC.FNAL.GOV>
Subject:      RE: VM/TCPIP hangs when telnet

        The IBM advertizement in Business Week says IBM has all that
        figured out and its a piece-o-cake. Some how I didn't think it
        was true, or it required expensive support.

        Try Apple or DEC. Their stuff has worked for years.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:09:36 MAL
From:         Sabariah Ismail <SABARIAH@UTMKL.BITNET>
Subject:      VM/TCPIP hangs when telnet

We are in the midst of testing our new TCP/IP network. We have VM/TCPIP on the
host and connected to an Ethernet and a Token Ring via a 3172. The problem is
the TCPIP service machine on VM will hang everytime any machine on the network
try to telnet to it. So far no such event occur if we use tn3270. Can anyone
help, please. I have looked through the VM/TCPIP manual and couldn't find where
exactly I did wrong. VM/TCPIP installed is the older version 2.1

Thanks in advance.

/Sabariah Ismail
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:22:42 EST
From:         ERYILMAZ@TRBOUN.BITNET
Subject:      need help!

Dear Sirs,
I am a mechanical engineering student at the University of Bosphorus, Istanbul,T
URKEY
TURKEY.
I am working on EARN for 2 weeks and I want to communicate with some people. So,
I want you to send me some message about you, etc.
Sincerely.
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:48:56 CST
From:         ST2975@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
Subject:      U of California strike

Does anyone know if USSA has taken a position on the graduate student
strike in progress at the U of Cal system?

Michael Parker, Southern Ill. Univ.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 10:10:31 GMT
From:         Scott Probst <probst@SFU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Due process in Higher Education
              11, 92 9:50 am

>
> The unmarked comments are by Will Barratt
>
> > Of the three students, two were found not quilty, and one was quilty.  Those
> > decisions came out of our court system.  When it came to the University
> > decisions, one of the students who was found innocent by the courts was
> > expelled from Old Dominion.
> >
> > Our Student Senate, of which I am a part, was appalled by this decision.
 What
> > gave the University the legal jurisdiction to convict the student of a crime
> > when he was proven innocent in the court of law.
>
> It is not a matter of jurisdiction - the criminal court dealt with
> issues of criminal law, the univeristy was supposed to deal with
> matters of student conduct code.  The same event may violate two
> different sets of regulations, which are both interpreted
> differently.

as i understand it, the criminal court has a more strict criterion of guilt
than would any other body, including a school's discliplinary body. this seems
to create a problem - what is appropriateness of the school to penalise
someone for something for which they have been found 'not guilty' by the
more strict standard of the court? before that question is attempted, though,
you have to ask about the jurisdiction of the school over any except
academic matters. if schools are going to start claiming the right to rule on
all manner of civil and criminal matters, they should implement some
sort of semi-judicial way of implementing such policy. no matter which
forum is being used to address such issues, students have the right to
representation, etc., which often the school overlooks or tries outright
to deny.

i think i have seen some cases where a school very much wants to reserve
the right to pass some sort of judgement on a student's actions, but
without recognising all the standard ideas of representation, evidence,
due course and so on. the disciplinary rules at my own school - Simon
Fraser University - are currently being overhauled, with the aim in part of
addressing some of these issues.


Scott Probst: Brain and Behaviour Laboratory, Psychology dept, SFU
                                                e-mail: probst@fraser.sfu.ca
 "if that happens, of course, you will find a packet of
  sea urchins in your mailbox. To derive full enjoyment,
  take one in each hand and squeeze."         - Dr H. S. Thompson
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:39:44 -0500
From:         STU_LVMCCLIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU
Subject:      Re: U of California strike

I'm not sure, I tried to call the USSA national office but I got the
answering machine.  Try calling them at (202) 347-USSA and someone there
should be able to answer any questions about stands the organization
is taking.
Laura McClintock, James Madison University.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:26:31 -0800
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was asuw@CARSON.U.WASHINGTON.EDU
From:         Judy Nicastro <asuw@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      The University of Washington student gov't is online

        Well, it's taken a long time, but the ASUW (the student government
of the University of Washington in Seattle, WA) has finally gotten a modem
and an account of its own.  Now, the members of the student government will
be able to directly read and write messages with their own account.  Expect
great levels of involvement from this time on.

Here are some of the big issues we're working on right now:

--On-campus sexual assault center.
--A voting student on the Board of Regents.
--Review of ASUW employee wages.
--structural review of our Constitutio is pretty screwed up)

If you have questions for us, fire away.  We'll be looking for more
information as situations come up.

                                Yours virtually,
                                Shane Burnett
                                ASUW
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:49:54 -0800
Reply-To:     Michael Ross <mross@ANTIGONE.UU.HOLONET.NET>
From:         Michael Ross <mross@ANTIGONE.UU.HOLONET.NET>
Subject:      SLIP software

Can anyone offer recommendations/criticisms over SLIP software for a
NeXT 040-upgraded cube running 3.0? Our connection will be to the
Internet via v.32bis modem.

I am so far aware of the following:

Marble
Morningstar
freeware (TransSys by Louis Mamakos)

And is there a SLIP-for-idiots/beginners FAQ?

Thanks!

Michael

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Antigone Press, San Francisco, California
e-mail: mross@antigone.uu.holonet.net
FAX: 415-431-3650
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:53:33 EST
Reply-To:     Michael Friendly <FRIENDLY@VM1.YORKU.CA>
From:         Michael Friendly <FRIENDLY@VM1.YORKU.CA>
Subject:      column operations in Edit

I'm working with data where I need to cut/copy/paste blocks of columns
in a window -- a rectangular block of some number of lines and columns.
Is there anyway to do this in Edit or some other standard (extended)
NeXT application?

-Michael
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:15:21 -0500
Reply-To:     Michael_Pizolato@afs.com
From:         michael@AFS.COM
Subject:      Re: Postscript Problems

Michael_Pizolato@afs.com wrote:
> What a moron!  The bug is in your postscript code, not the printing
> utilities.  Next time think a little before posting such crap.
> Please, don't anyone dignify this garbage with a reply.

I can't believe anyone would post such an insensitive, cruel reply.

We're all out here trying to help each other, and no question should be
considered beneath us.  Mr. Pizolato, you were once a beginner, and
you have no business treating anyone else like that.  If you can't
treat others with respect, get off the list.


-M

P.S.  Gotcha!

---
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~18 kyu
Q16
NeXTMail appreciated
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:42:14 -0500
Reply-To:     Christopher Traynor <traynorc@PHIBRO.COM>
From:         Christopher Traynor <traynorc@PHIBRO.COM>
Subject: Re: Postscript Problems

Michael:

        This list is supposed to exist so that people can learn from the experie
nce of
 others.  If it insults you when you
see a posting that is beneath your level of understanding, then try not to
 reply.  It would have taken less effort to
remain silent or give a coherent solution then to label someone a moron because
 they don't know as much as you
do.  The reply you made was in poor taste.
        My apologies to the rest of you for this posting, but I thought it impor
tant
 enough to submit it directly to the list.


Chris
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From: lena%happy-man.com@HARVUNXW.BITNET
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.next-l
Subject: Re: Abuse and public redfacedness...
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: lena%happy-man.com@HARVUNXW.BITNET
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> Now so far I've seen 2 people flame him for flaming HIMSELF.
> How about reading the headers for once.

Oh lordy, this is too funny!  The first public flame I've delivered
in probably a decade, and look at this!

Well, it's a sad comment on *somebody's* conduct that we all took
this straight!

Okay Mike, you got me this time...  ;-)

'Lena

PS- Let this be a WARNING to all you kreeps out there who *thought*
about flaming Mike!  ;-)
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:25:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Michael O'Henly <mohenly@MALAHAT.LIBRARY.UVIC.CA>
From:         Michael O'Henly <mohenly@MALAHAT.LIBRARY.UVIC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Postscript Problems (look before you leap...)

> This list is supposed to exist so that people can learn from the
> experience of others.  If it insults you when you see a posting that
> is beneath your level of understanding, then try not to reply.

    [etc...]

    Hey, folks, lighten up! I think if you reread that post that's got
you all wound up, you'll see that the original poster was replying to
his own message...

    Michael

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