From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: 'Wieneramus' Will Not Get Away With The Turkish Genocide's Cover-up.
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:26:00 GMT


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wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)

>      Why don't you mention the 200 years of Tatar oppression of
>      Russia and Ukraine, the destruction of Kiev, the massacres
>      undertaken in practically every Russian city of significant
>      size, the murder of 50,000 civilians in Qandahar by your
>      friend Timur the Great???  What about the 500-year
>      oppression of Bulgaria?  What Zhivkov the fool did pales
>      in comparison with the bloodthirstiness of your ancestors!
>      Finally and most importantly, no one will forget or forgive
>      the cold-blooded, premeditated, unapologetic genocide of
>      1.5 million Armenians!! No one!

Hey 'Wieneramus,' were you high on 'Hagopian' when you wrote the above
drivel? What kind of a dark-hearted joke is this? As usual, we see
certain 'wieneramus' groundless, non-supported, accusing statements
caused by 'its' hate to the people of Turkiye. Well, apparently we 
have another son of Dro 'the Butcher' to contend with. You should indeed 
be happy to know that you rekindled a huge discussion on distortions 
propagated by several of your contemporaries. If you feel that you can 
simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum you will be 
sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to another 
historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, 'Wieneramus,' but a fact.

I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line, 
lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan 
to 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is 
nothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in 
x-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship, 
that employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel 
free to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists,
the Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian
criminal organizations.

Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men,
women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. You, and 
those like you, will not get away with the genocide's cover-up.

Source: "The Turkish Times," April 1, 1990, No. 16, p. 11.

"Mass Grave of Turks Massacred by Armenians Discovered"

Kahramanmaras, AA - Historians discovered that Armenians killed and buried
100 Turks in the township of Andirin and 300 Turks in the township of Geben
during Armenian riots in Southeastern province of Kahramanmaras.

Historian Cezmi Yurtsever was working on a documentary film on Armenian
barbarism in Kandirin when he discovered the mass grave and what is now
called Martyrs Valley where also assassinated Turks were buried collectively.

The historical story is that Zeytun Armenians raided Kandirin and
killed 100 Turks including the town's magistrate Abaza Durdu Bey.

Durdu Bey's grandson Adil Kayran (70) recounted the incident saying that 
after the Armenian atrocity in which 100 Turks perished, his grandfather
Durdu Bey fled to the hills and hid himself behind barbed wires on the 
hill. But Sarkiz, an Armenian working as a clerk with Durdu Bey, tipped
the Armenians off about his whereabouts and Armenians found him and
executed him by shooting. Durdu Bey's guard Cerkez Yusuf Cavus was skinned
alive by Armenians.

Historians working on the documentary film also discovered that Armenians
raided other towns and villages in Kahramanmaras at the time and killed
and buried in the death valley around 300 Turks. 

Ahmet Kaya, an eye witness of historical events but now dead for 30 years,
had recounted the incidents saying that Turks killed and thrown in the
valley by Armenians numbered more than 300.

>      Next time you decide to cry, hide behind your mother's skirts!

Beginning to grieve, 'Wieneramus?' It is indeed a joy to repeatedly 
expose and humiliate you on usenet.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)