HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: abner@wente.llnl.gov (Abner F. Bello)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Filipino rhymes and songs
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:01:17 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <92311.16:12:35.809554.Jeprox@perlas.ng.silangan> Jeprox@perlas.ng.silangan (Laki sa Layaw) writes:
>
>Here's one:          Sampung mga daliri,
>                     Buhok at paa,
>                     Dalawang tenga, dalawang mata,
>                     Ilong na maganda.
>
>Irreverent version:  Sampung mga daliri,
>                     Putol ang lima,
>                     Dalawang tenga, may luga pa,
>                     Ilong na may bara.
>

Here's a second verse (not 'irreverent'):
                      Maliliit na ngipin
                      Masarap kumain
                      Dilang maliit, nagsasabing
                      Huag kang magsinungaling.

I suspect that the verse is not entirely correct because 'maliit'
is used twice.  Corrections or confirmation appreciated.

Ever notice that these 'irreverent,' gross, or bastos rhymes are
part of the Filipino childhood?  More so than the American 
childhood, anyway.  Perhaps it's just becuase I went to a public
elementary school back home.

     Pulis, pulis,  ... mong matulis
     Bumbay, bumbay, ... mong matibay (not meant as a racial slur)

While we're at it:

     Indian pana, kakanakana
     Tatlong betlong, kakalogkalog

Allright, I apologize to those offended, but these are examples
of rhymes that are known to just about everyone (my age, late 
twenties) I know.

******************************************************************
Abner Farrales Bello
Department of Applied Science (it's really a physics department)
University of California, Davis/Livermore
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Livermore, California

abner@wente.llnl.gov
******************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: m-muyot@uiuc.edu (Sanse)
Subject: Re: FC Kidnappings
Originator: memg7944@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: m-muyot@uiuc.edu (Sanse)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:39:02 GMT

francis@mpl.ucsd.edu (Francis C Felizardo) writes:

>In article <1992Nov8.231433.3190@sbcs.sunysb.edu> albert@mathlab.sunysb.edu (
>Jose Ramon Albert) writes:

>   - stuff deleted -

>>however, lew may be over-analyzing the facts.  Any form of organized 
>>crime (which the FC kidnapping syndicate is certainly a part of) operates 
>>on the basis of optimal policy -- maximum profit at minimum risk.  

>Why am I not surprised that a Stat major will phrase it that way? *grin*

Actually, this sound more like something an actuary or an economist would
say. A statistician would say that the syndicates operate based on the
expected value :-(

>   - other stuff deleted. On to the piece de resistance. -

>>One last observation I would like to make about the posts on this matter is that 
>>except for bombim's post and lew's subsequent response, 
>>they have been unpleasingly long.  

Same here. It might help if you summarize your arguments first then elaborate
after warning readers that it's going to be long. Then we have the option
of continuing to read or skipping the rest. 

Anyway, I just want to say that I agree that this unfortunate trend cannot
really be called acts of racism since the victims ethnicity is the not the
primary motive but rather a convenient accessory. In other words, if some other
group was just as vulnerable, believe me, these syndicates would switch to
them without a second's hesitiation. 

As for racism, it does exist in the Phils. in various forms, but not 
in terms of violence towards a certain group.

-ching

-- 
* MARIA EMERITA MUYOT                         * "Polls don't lie.             *
* Department of Statistics                    *        People do."            *
* University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign  *                               *
* Internet: m-muyot@uiuc.edu                  *                               *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: lewc@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Lew Chua-Eoan)
Subject: Re:Filipino-Chinese Kidnappings
Followup-To: cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu(Horacio Cadiz)
Organization: Austin, Tx.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:15:22 GMT



In reply to cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz) comments:

>> I wrote:
>>  [ stuff deleted ]
>>First of all, I believe a distinction should be made between military 
>>abuse in areas hostile to military presence like negros, etc... versus 
>>the extortion, murder, and rape of a minority due to ethinic background.
>>Yes, all are citizens of the nation, and they should be accorded their rights.
>>But in the case of the minority the crimes have the taint of racism.             
                                                     ^^^^^^
> Horacio (bombim) writes:
>   Were the kidnap victims from the Filipino-Chinese community kidnapped
>because of their Chinese ancestry or because of the perception, right or wrong,
>that they have the money to pay the ransom?  I believe it is the latter.
                                              ^ ^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^
I believe it is a combination of both criteria. Otherwise, why aren't
wealthy Filipinos targeted as frequently as Filipinos of Chinese descent?

Some may believe otherwise, but I believe that there is 
credence in the medias presentation of the Fil-Chinese kidnapping issue.
(And I firmly believe that the frequency of kidnappings are higher
within the Fil-Chinese community, as far as percent of the population,
versus the population at large.)
 
>My impression is that the kidnappers believe that the scions of 
>Filipino-Chinese families are more profitable targets because their families 
>will pay up and will not talk to the police.

Filipino-Chinese families would talk to the authorities if they knew it would
help their situation.  Who wouldn't? But since corrupt police and military
officials are invovled it makes it difficult for Filipino-Chinese to
confide in these guardians of law and order - "it is like going to
the police precicnt and asking the officer, who happens to be the accused,
to arrest himself."

>They are not being kidnapped 
>because they are Fil-Chinese but because the kidnappers think that they
>can get a higher take than if they were to kidnap someone else.

Yes, they are taken because they are part of the perceived
ethnic minority with supposed tendencies - i.e. they are preyed upon
because of their features (race) and supposed characteristic tendencies.
From: MA.LCT@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lyn C Tadena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Pilipino Awareness Week
Date: 12 Nov 1992 10:14:23 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Bay Area SCFers, please join us.


             --------------------------------
                 Pilipino Awareness Week
             --------------------------------

                  THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 12
                  Who is Asian American?

A community gathering. Guest speakers lead a  discussion  on
the term "Asian American."  Who does it include?  Who should
it include?  Bring your perspectives.

            7:00-8:30pm Okada House, Wilbur Hall

Sponsored by: PILIPINO AMERICAN STUDENTS UNION at Stanford
From: ador@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Amador Calapan Argete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Pinoy joke
Date: 8 Nov 1992 00:46:37 +1100
Organization: Melbourne University, Meteorology Whatever
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

<joke deleted>

ben@netcom.com (benny f. p. sevilla)

	It's jokes like this that amplifies the stereotype that FILIPINOS
	are so reactionary and backwards;  Jokes like this don't belong
	to SOC.CULTURE.FILIPINO;  You have the right to freedom of
	speech but you make me sick!!!!!
-- 

ben p. sevilla   home --- 510 671-2424   ....!pacbell!ptsfa!bpsevil
		 data --- 510-686-3941   ....ben@netcom.com (preferred e-mail)
                 work --- 510 823-0506   ....bpsevil@ptsfa.PacBell.COM
		 this is by me, of me and for me   and no one else

Ala, ay napagkakahumusga ahoy. Bakin ga napikon ang mama?
From: francis@mpl.ucsd.edu (Francis C Felizardo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: FC Kidnappings
Date: 9 Nov 1992 00:26:30 GMT
Organization: Scripps Institution of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: kiko.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Nov8.231433.3190@sbcs.sunysb.edu> albert@mathlab.sunysb.edu (
Jose Ramon Albert) writes:

   - stuff deleted -

>however, lew may be over-analyzing the facts.  Any form of organized 
>crime (which the FC kidnapping syndicate is certainly a part of) operates 
>on the basis of optimal policy -- maximum profit at minimum risk.  

Why am I not surprised that a Stat major will phrase it that way? *grin*

   - other stuff deleted. On to the piece de resistance. -

>One last observation I would like to make about the posts on this matter is that 
>except for bombim's post and lew's subsequent response, 
>they have been unpleasingly long.  

Ouch!

>I was reading all the posts with extreme
>interest, but let me be honest to point out that my interest is depleting 
>at an exponential rate.  Let us learn from the faults of the Bush 
>campaign -- a litany of issues thrown at one's opponent
>is not the most effective way of winning in a debate.

Toots, from my end, I would be more than happy to cut down my posts. My wife 
usually enjoys reading articles in SCF too but my last one was just too long 
for her too. She chided me a bit for that.

Personally, I do enjoy participating in discussions here and the length of 
my last couple of posts probably proves that. *grin* But I felt I had to 
respond to the items in Lew's articles that I disagreed with. I'm not 
passing the blame. In fact I do welcome Lew's point of view and his 
willingness to discuss it. I'm just asking for people's understanding. If 
this bothers too many people perhaps Lew and I can come to some 
understanding on the manner in which we should conduct this discussion.

Comments welcome.

   - Francis
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Francis C Felizardo                             francis@mpl.ucsd.edu
Scripps Institution of Oceanography, 0213	      (619) 534 1085
La Jolla, CA 92093-0213
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Richard Sucgang)
Subject: Re: MCI
Reply-To: rs54@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Richard Sucgang)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:43:03 GMT

In article <BxIwrJ.L3n@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> b35@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Ilag) writes:
>	Another bonus with MCI is that if you join the MCI-Northwest
>Worldperks - for every dollar you spend on long-distance calls you 
>gain 5 frequent flier miles. And you only need 20k miles to get a round trip
>ticket within continental US.

Well, lessee, that means that if you spend $4000 on calls with MCI,
you get a free roundtrip ticket. At about $120 a month say average
for long distance calling, that should be...say 2.5-3 years of consistent
calling...say, not a bad reward. :)
From: marvin@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Romeo Ancheta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: KAMUSTA KAYO!!
Date: 13 Nov 1992 05:09:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: marvin@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Romeo Ancheta)
NNTP-Posting-Host: eb5ts4.ebay.sun.com

mga kababayan ko,
   ito po ang aking unang pag lathala sa ating neto. ako po ay isang nalulumbay na kababayan ninyo dito sa america , nasabi kong nalulumbay dahil ako'y mag aa-
nim na taon na dito at hindi pa rin nakakabalik ni minsan sa ating bayan.
   ako'y maraming barkada at kaibigan sa atin,at kung sino man ang makakabasa n
ng aking lathala na kakilala maari bang ako'y inyong sagutin o dili kaya ako'y inyong balitaan ng mga progreso sa ating bayan at mga kaibigan.
From: gaus@islandgirl.crd.ge.com (Rick Gaus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: know any filipino stereotypes?
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:20:10 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <BxHGDz.282@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ajpg1322@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Angelo J. Paguia) writes:
>abner@wente.llnl.gov (Abner F. Bello) writes:
>
>>Well, Filipinos are known to be witty, intelligent,
>>good-looking and charming.  These are just stereotypes, but I
>>generally find these to be true of Filipinos.  Anyone care to
>>disagree?
>
>Well, what about generous, loving, fun to be with, irresistible,
>considerate, well-informed, even-keeled, physically fit, and just
>darn attractive ?
>
>Angelo
>Path: phylo!scott
>Date: 10 Nov 92 02:52:35 GMT
>Message-ID: <scott.721363955@phylo>



    Wow!  Sounds great!  How do I become a Filipino?


                                 Cheerfully,


                                 Rick Gaus
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Traffic Pile Up
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:43:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: microlab.-091192164500
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- Coconut oil leaking from a tanker truck
triggered an accident Friday that killed one person, injured three
others and sent more than 60 vehicles spinning out of control.
	Highway Patrol Chief Renato Mutos said the pileup began when a
passenger jeep driving behind a tanker slipped on coconut oil spilling
from the truck, skidding and overturning on a major highway just south
of the capital.
	Dozens of vehicles swerved to avoid the jeep, but lost control on the
oil-slickened highway and crashed.
	``At least 61 vehicles were thrown off the road,'' Mutos said. ``It's
a mess.''
	A 52-year-old man aboard the jeep died, while three fellow passengers
sustained serious injury.
	After the accident, workers used fire hoses to clear the road of
coconut oil, which is used to make soap.
	Authorities later coated a 6-mile stretch of highway with sand and
sawdust.
	Police also detained the driver of the tanker truck, who told
authorities he had not been aware of the leak.
From: MA.LCT@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lyn C Tadena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Pilipino American Awareness Week
Date: 11 Nov 1992 11:37:08 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Pilipino event for the day at Stanford...

            _________________________________
            Pilipino American Awareness Week
            _________________________________


                 WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 11
                   Tinig Kayumanggi

Authors and students read from their own and other's  works.
Guests  include  Jean  Venga  Gier, Vanessa Marzan Deza, and
Marianne Villanueva.  Refreshments will be served.

   7:00-8:30pm, Asian American Activities Center,
                Old Union Clubhouse.


   Sponsored by: PILIPINO AMERICAN STUDENTS UNION


Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: ekevik@media.uio.no (Oystein Ekevik)
Subject: Little Leauge Team -- epilogue
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Dept. of Media & Communication
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:17:34 GMT

How does this fit into the debate about filipino stereotypes? Is cheating
and fraud a part of it?

*****************************************
Oystein Ekevik, P.O.Box 1093, Blindern, 0317 Oslo
Dept. of Media & Communication
University of OSLO, Norway
e-mail ekevik@media.uio.no, fax ++47-2-694790
From: aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING SFO: THE NEXT GENERATION.
Keywords: Filipino, Organization, Network, Business, Youth
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:29:37 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.



Paco...what's SFO?











-- 
        ~
Aimee Manosa		aimee@wpd.sgi.com		Opinions are mine
			Silicon Graphics, Inc
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Fear of AIDS Could Limit Port Calls
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:16:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: microlab.-111192121621
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- Amid concern about the spread of AIDS,
lawmakers Wednesday called on the government to review policies that
allow foreign sailors to make port calls in the Philippines.
	``The matter of AIDS is worse than military invasion,'' said Sen.
Leticia Shahani, sister of President Fidel Ramos. ``As a poor,
developing country which has very few defenses, I would be quite
specific about AIDS (prevention).''
	Shahani urged the government to begin consulting state health
officials before granting foreign troops the right to go on shore leave
in the Philippines, a Pacific island nation between Hawaii and Japan.
	Sen. Blas Ople, head of the foreign-affairs committee, said lawmakers
did not oppose letting foreign vessels repair or refuel in the
Philippines, but worried about ``opening up our cities to be R-and-R
centers.''
	Government statistics show 40 military vessels or naval groups from
seven nations made port calls in the Philippines in 1991, while 14
vessels or groups of ships from six nations visited during the first 10
months of 1992.
	However, when the Philippine Senate last year declined to renew the
U.S. military's lease on Subic Bay Naval Base, some lawmakers cited
fears about sailors spreading venereal diseases or sexually exploiting
Filipinos.
	Because the Senate nixed a new treaty, U.S. forces plan to pull out
of Subic -- America's last base in the Philippines -- on Nov. 24.
	But the port-call issue lingers on, because Washington and Manila
last week agreed U.S. military vessels and planes could continue to use
Philippine facilities after Nov. 24 on a commercial basis.
	The two sides also agreed U.S.-Filipino military cooperation would
continue in accordance with a 1951 mutual-defense treaty.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: tabil@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: TEST
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:24:24 GMT

Hello! Anyone there, majoring Agricultural Engineering?
I used to work at the Agricultural Engineering Dept. of
Xavier University in the Philippines.
Arnie, did you receive my e-mail?

Lope "Nonoy" Tabil,Jr.
tabil@sask.usask.ca
University of Saskatchewan
Saskatoon, SK, CANADA
From: tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM (Nhan Tran  , by way of gustilo@pop-server.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: NEWS/VN: Philippine minister arrives for talks in VN (forwarded from
 SEASIA-L)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 21:34:14 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


11/10

PHILIPPINE MINISTER ARRIVES FOR TALKS IN VIETNAM

    HANOI, Nov 10, Reuter - Philippine Foreign Minister Roberto Romulo arrived
in Hanoi on Tuesday for talks with Vietnamese officials on closer economic ties.
    "It is my hope that this visit will create a further step in increasing
mutual understanding and cooperation between our two countries," Vietnamese
Foreign Minister Nguyen Manh Cam told Romulo upon his arrival.
    Romulo is the most senior Philippine official to visit Hanoi since
then-Foreign Minister Raul Manglapus in 1988.
    Communist Vietnam has launched a campaign in the last two years to forge
new economic and political ties with its capitalist neighbours in southeast
Asia.
    Romulo was due to meet Vietnamese Prime Minister Vo Van Kiet, President Le
Duc Anh and other officials during the visit, which ends on Saturday.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Pinoy Joke.....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:44:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.210941.24094@netcom.com>, ben@netcom.com (benny f. p. sevilla)      writes...
>In article <1992Nov4.213142.1968@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz) esphews his tasteless joke:
>writes:
>>Ito ay istorya ni Kiko. Si Kiko ay 22 years old na pero hanggang
>>ngayon ay wala pa siyang nobya dahil si Kiko ay saksakan ng taba.
>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>					being fat is ugly.....
>					
>	[... more tasteless lines deleted]
>>Gym matapos siyang magbayad ng 200 pesos. Sa loob ay may isang Chick na
>>saksakan ng seksi at ganda at siya ay may karatulang nagsasabi na
>>"If you CATCH me you can F#$%@K Me." habol si Kiko after a long chase
>		men are sex-crazy.....
>		women use this as weapons...
> 
>>sign is changed again it reads"Loss 60 Pounds Today or your Money Back"
>>Right away he enter the Gym took off his shirt and pants and prepare
>>for anothe long chase but to his surprise there was no one around
>>except for 6ft.2  350 pounds Black Homosexual with a sign saying
>>" I F  C A T C H  Y O U  I  W I L L  F#$&*K Y O U. "
> 
>		VERY ANTI-GAY - VERY ANTI BLACK
> 
>>
>>
>>" LIFE IS TOO SHORT " "A LAUGH A DAY CURE YOUR BLUES AWAY"
> 
> 
>	It's jokes like this that amplifies the stereotype that FILIPINOS
>	are so reactionary and backwards;  Jokes like this don't belong
>	to SOC.CULTURE.FILIPINO;  You have the right to freedom of
>	speech but you make me sick!!!!!
>-- 
> 
>ben p. sevilla   home --- 510 671-2424   ....!pacbell!ptsfa!bpsevil
>		 data --- 510-686-3941   ....ben@netcom.com (preferred e-mail)
>                 work --- 510 823-0506   ....bpsevil@ptsfa.PacBell.COM
>		 this is by me, of me and for me   and no one else

My wife and I found it quite funny, if a little on the childish side.

Laurence
From: capistra@andromeda.rutgers.edu (M P Capistrano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Knock!  Knock!
Date: 7 Nov 92 06:21:04 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.







Ako:  Knock!  Knock!

Ikaw:  Who's there?

Ako:  Ronnie, Archie, Teeeeeeena.  Hertrudes.

Ikaw:  "Ronnie, Archie, Teeeeeeena.  Hertrudes." WHO!

 













Don't cry Ronnie, Archie, Teeeeeeena....  Hertrudes, I neeever left you....

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: pacs@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francisco Sandejas)
Subject: Re: SFO: urgent change in email address for paco
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:38:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.150039.1574@leland.Stanford.EDU> pacs@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francisco Sandejas) writes:
>

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: SFO: urgent change in email address for paco
Summary: paco's email is pacs@leland.stanford.edu 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Keywords: dumb mistake

Sorry, Guys.
When  I posted last night, I said that my email was paco@stanf...
However, that is wrong. Someone else has that login name @ leland.
Mine is pacs@leland.stanford.edu. I have other accounts with
paco@blahblah so I made that dumb mistake. Sorry again.

Hope this gets to you in time before we murder paco@leland
with junk mail he won't understand.

Cheers,
paco