HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tim@gold.iss.nus.sg (tim poston)
Subject: Re: Willie Horton's Legacy (Was Re: SPRINGTIME FOR THE BUSHMAN)
Reply-To: tim@iss.nus.sg (tim poston)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:11:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.042950.2105@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>, krueger@galileo.
physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.192648.20381@sequent.com> jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say
 Noe" Kramer) writes:
>>In article <YOUNG.92Nov3132637@ssdd475a.erim.org> young@ssdd475a.erim.org
 (Peter Young) writes:
>>>
>>Seems to me that if Bush was locked up four years ago a lot people might
>>be alive today who aren't.
>
>Name one, asshole!
>
>Ted

Name _one_?
After Panama and the Gulf War,
where Bush only decided on violence
  ("the last resort of the incompetent"
  --- sometimes read as
  "the _last_ resort, _only_ if you're incompetent")
after Saddam had already invaded,
and was bound to stand pat?
Quietly delivered but convincing threats earlier on,
instead of stroking him into the family of nations
[what a family! what values!]
and a _lot_ more people might be alive.
If he had though about what the war should achieve
beyond parades, there'd be fewer dead Kurds, too.

rec.humor.funny accepted the Bush slogan

100,000 dead!  Stop me before I kill again!

and I still like it.
Why shut up Willie Horton and let out George Bush?


Tim

____________________________________________________________________
                  On a General Election
         Th'accursed power that stands on Privilege
         And goes with women, and champagne, and bridge,
         Broke: and Democracy resumed her reign,
         Which goes with bridge, and women, and champagne.
                                                   Hilaire Belloc
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: dubois@iesd.auc.dk (Mikael Skov)
Subject: Wanted : Clinton's address
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Distribution: alt.politics.elections
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:05:17


Can anybody E-mail me Bill Clinton's address in Arkansas?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: D'Amato or Abrams?
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:27:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.235810.11080@lclark.edu> hulsej@sun.lclark.edu (Jose Hulse) writes:
>Last I heard, this was still undecided because D'Amato's lead was very
>thin and there were lots of ballots left to be counted (by hand or
>something?)--some judge apparently impounded the ballots and we wouldn't
>know the result till next week.
>
>Does anyone have the latest official word on this one?  I'm thrilled about
>Clinton's victory, but kind of disgusted that Mr. Filibuster might remain.

My impression is that Abrams would need an enormous percentage of the
mail-in ballots to overcome a 100,000 vote lead by D'Amato.
Historically, the mail-ins have tended to follow the percentages of
the ballots cast on Election Day, so I wouldn't expect a reversal.

In any case, if the results are reversed, I'd expect it to hit the
front page of the NYT.



And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speak
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.	   [Henry V, 4.3]
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From: giovin@medr3.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton denies being in the loop
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:18:15 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

Could you tell me exactly where your posted press
release on the Weinberger case came from?  It wasn't actually
posted electronically on the 29th was it?

Thanks,
Rocky Giovinazzo
giovinaz@hks.hks.com
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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Its starting....
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:57:06 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1dora4INNia5@travis.csd.harris.com> taco@baby.csd.harris.com (Pablo Fumero) writes:
>
>As for 'Slick Willy', wait untill he starts taking away more of
>your hard earned money to pay for all his special interest promises.
>Prediction: the debt will increase no matter who is in the White House.
>The problem is not with the president, it is with CONGRESS.
>-- 
>Pablo Fumero 			Internet: taco@flipper.csd.harris.com

here's a radical thought, maybe, just maybe, congress *and* the president
 are responsible since:  the president signs each and ever bill unless 
congress passes it by 2/3 majority, *and* since the spending bills would not
get to his desk unless congress passed them.  maybe we need a president 
willing to veto a defecit budget and let .gov shut down for a while...??
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From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Clinton Nominees for the Supreme Court
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:41:10 GMT
Organization: Banzai Institute

None of the suggestions so far has the potential for making a dramatic
statement that the nomination of a professor from Norman, OK would have.

Can you picture Sen. Spector and Sen. Hooowwwelll Heeeeeffflinnn
interrogating Anita Hill again?  Justice Thomas trying to send her out for
coffee?

This has *serious* entertainment potential.

-- 
	Jim Gillogly
	U.S. National Debt: $4,124,611,717,027
	Your Share: $16,129
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,tx.politics
From: dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina)
Subject: Re: Clinton's plan our best and only hope for the future
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:38:22 GMT

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Clinton saying that I will give
industry a tax credit for investment in research and development. I
don't believe there is govt administration involved. It simply says it
is financially advantageous for you to invest in new product development
rather than leveraged buyouts which do not benefit many
and it is up to you businessman to make the decision on what to develop.


Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.clinton
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: A Clinton Mandate?!?
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:59:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.211416.29558@oakhill.sps.mot.com> pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness) writes:
}>I don't think people wanted Reagan II.  Perot made sure that people thought
}>about the deficit.  People who worry about deficits don't want Reagan II.
}
}Wrong. I am worried about the deficit and I want Reagan II.

Reaganomics was hardly free market economics.  Spending increased, taxes
actually collected (as opposed to tax rates) increased, regulations increased
at about 300,000 pages per year, on average, real estate was subsidized,
inflation continued, albeit at a lesser rate...


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot,soc.culture.african.american
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Mmmm... Purple)
Subject: Re: Perot's Vote Percentage State-by-State
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:07:22 GMT

In article <Bx9ruw.8Jt@rice.edu> byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:
>>    DC            4
>
>Gee, go figure!  Why do you think it might be that Washington
>D.C. only voted 4% for Perot when the national average was 20%?

Because Washington DC is something like 90% black.

>Could it be self-preservation?

You could be more right than you know.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com (Allan Schaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bill Clinton denies being in the loop
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:35:18 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: holodeck.csd.sgi.com

ck347@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard A. Mulac) said..
>
>  Led by Senator Dole, the media revealed this weekend evidence of a
>smoking gun linking "independant" counsel Walsh to the Clinton Campaign.
>A Clinton press release concerning the new indictment levied against
>Weinberger by Walsh on Friday, October 30, was dated October 29, 1992!
>Bill Clinton refused to comment, while his staff used the excuse that the
>date on the release had been a typographical error.  RIGHT!  And Richard
>Nixon "accidentally" erased some of the tapes.  As further proof of their
>subversion of the Constitution, here is their own e-mail release (again a
>typographical error?).

Oh christ richard, you've been hysterical all during the campaign, but
now you're really thrashing for something to complain about.

Regarding the memo, *I* am among the people who get press releases from 
the Clinton campaign.  I have no way of knowing if it was a typographical
error, as I didn't type or write it, but my copy was sent at:   

	Date: 30 Oct 92 17:01:29 EST
	From: Clinton for President <75300.3115@compuserve.com>
	Subject:  NEW IRAN-CONTRA EVIDENCE RELEASED BY PROSECUTOR

	FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
	Posted by Clinton/Gore Email              
	October 29, 1992                                  

	     NEW IRAN-CONTRA EVIDENCE RELEASED BY PROSECUTOR
	SHOWS BUSH FLATLY LIED ABOUT HIS ROLE IN ARMS-FOR-HOSTAGES

	[text deleted]

Note the time & date -- 5:01pm October 30th.  You should also know that
we generally got the releases on a VERY timely basis.  

I haven't watched the news yet for the response.  I bet Michael Kinsley
(on crossfire) will point out exactly what time they recieved the fax, and 
I bet it will be late in the afternoon on the 30th, just like me.

Allan
-- 
Allan Schaffer
aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com
aschaffe@netcom.com
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From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc,tx.politics
Subject: Grab your ankles Middle Class...
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:37:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin


   +------------------------------------------------------------------+
   | "I want to make it very clear that this middle class tax cut, in |
   |  my view, is central to any attempt we are going to make to have |
   |  a short term economic strategy and a long term fairness         |
   |  strategy, which is part of getting this country going again."   |
   |   -- Bill Clinton, ABC News Primary Debate                       |
   |      Manchester, New Hampshire, 1/19/92                          |
   +------------------------------------------------------------------+
   |  "But to say that this middle class tax cut... is the center of  |
   |  anybody's economic package is wrong"                            |
   |   -- Bill Clinton, ABC News Democratic Canidates Debate          |
   |     Dallas, Texas, 3/5/92                                        |
   +------------------------------------------------------------------+
   |  "...I would emphasise to you that the press and my opponents    |
   |  always made more of the middle class tax cut than I did."       |
   |    -- Bill Clinton, ABC "Good Morning America," 6/6/92           |
   +------------------------------------------------------------------+
   | "I disagree with Mr. Perot on HOW MUCH we can raise middle class |
   |  taxes."   -- Bill Clinton, 3rd presidential debate              |
   +------------------------------------------------------------------+


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: Clinton Nominees for the Supreme Court
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:16:10 GMT

jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly) writes:

>None of the suggestions so far has the potential for making a dramatic
>statement that the nomination of a professor from Norman, OK would have.
>
>Can you picture Sen. Spector and Sen. Hooowwwelll Heeeeeffflinnn
>interrogating Anita Hill again?  Justice Thomas trying to send her out for
>coffee?

I understand that the most junior justice makes the coffee! ;-)

 -Steve
--
  The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
                         -------------------
   adams@spss.com                                  Phone: (312) 329-3522
   Steve Adams        "Space-age cybernomad"       Fax:   (312) 329-3558
Xref: sparky alt.politics.elections:22832 alt.politics.perot:5229
From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Randolph J. Finder)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot
Subject: Re: Perot's Vote Percentage State-by-State
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:45:52 -0500
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <Bx9ruw.8Jt@rice.edu>, byrd@lucerne.rice.edu (Marc J Byrd) writes:
>>    DC            4
> 
> Gee, go figure!  Why do you think it might be that Washington
> D.C. only voted 4% for Perot when the national average was 20%?
> Could it be self-preservation?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Marc J. Byrd - byrd@rice.edu       |  United We Stand. 
> Rice University                    |  Whether or not you accept it, you are 
> Dept of Elec & Comp Engr           |  responsible for the actions and 
> XUV Holographic Microscope Project |  inactions of your government. 
Actually not, just very Democratic. DC went 87C-9B-4P. and there were
other states where B=2P. DC just liked clinton.

-- 
(naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu)	  | Leadership,Friendship, and Service
(vri_rjfin@dmis.ha.osd.mil)	  |          Alpha Phi Omega
"The service we render to others  | National (Co-ed) Service Fraternity
 the rent we pay for our room on earth" - Sir Wilfred Grenfell
From: sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Vietnam Memorial (was Vietnam Moratorium)
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:40:05 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <1drm67INNftp@armory.centerline.com> thomaso@centerline.com (Thomas Andrews) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.151744.24496@cbnews.cb.att.com> jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
>>It's ironic that the Veteran's Day commemoration now in progress at the 
>>Vietnam Memorial consists of the reading of the names of the fallen
>>servicemen. It was an identical type of "demonstration" in Grosvenor
>>Square in London, December 1969, that caused Bush to react so viscerally.
>>Then, Bill Clinton and others read the names of the victims in a somber
>>ceremony on the steps of the American Embassy.
>>
>
>Last night, George Bush arrived at the Memorial at around midnight.
>Without notifying the press, he and Barbara went and read names.
>
>This was a powerful, eloquent gesture.  If George had governed with
>this much grace and humility for the past few years, he would be
>President for another four years.

  I think it's about time to stop bashing George Bush. Though a Democrat
and one who has been sickened by his campaign tactics, I have always
beleived that he was basicly a decent man who learned some wrong politcal
lessons a long time ago and let ambition get the better of his judgment 
and nature. He has paid the political price for it by the same means
wherein he triumphed by it: the judgment of the electorate. 

  Let him retire in peace and redeem whatever there is to be redeemed.
maybe he can learn a few things from one of his favorite political
targets: Jimmy Carter.

>I recommend it.  I am too young to have known anybody who died in
>Vietnam, but the wall brought tears to my eyes anyway.

   I agree. It's a stark reminder that real people with families, friends,
and lovers die in wars, not some idealized, heroic figure with no name
or connections. Maybe it can begin to teach us that, despite their willingness
to sacrifice, soldiers are not tools to be consumed for amorphous political'
theories or for the egos of leaders.

-- 
Jeff Sicherman
up the net without a .sig
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Subject: Re: My View Of Clinton
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:18:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.020059.18890@leland.Stanford.EDU> fmr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Francis M Rotella) writes:
>
> [a whole bunch of stuff deleted]
>
>i admire his attempt . . . but his ideas would not be good for American.
>getting the national debt down is a goal, but doing it such that it hurts
>most americans and instigating a depression for over 4 years is not the
>way to do it.  i personally believe it will take about 20-30 years

Evidently, you swallowed the distortions of the Clinton campaign
without either chewing or even tasting.  Perot's plan called for an
elimination of the DEFICIT, not the DEBT, over a period of from
four years.

>before the debt can be payed in full.  i'll be happy with Clinton if
>he can stop the growth by the end of his 1st term and start reducing it 
>a little in his second term.

Now here, you claim you'll be happy if Clinton can eliminate the
deficit ("stop the growth" of the debt) in his 1st term (4 years).

IF PEROT WAS GOING TO BRING ON A DEPRESSION BY ELIMINATING THE
DEFICIT IN FOUR YEARS, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN IF
CLINTON DOES IT!!  

Now, to give you the benefit of the doubt, I'll assume you meant
the -deficit-.  If so, you would be satisfied if Clinton would
stop its growth after four years?  Really?  Clinton has promised
to cut the deficit in half; if he cannot deliver even this 
cowardly half-measure, he should be fired!  If Clinton can do 
no better than to "stop its growth" after four years, he should 
go down in flaming infamy!

Dave
From: stevem@solbourne.com (Stephen Matson)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: It's the Jimmy Carter Show
Date: 6 Nov 1992 09:26:06 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: katmandu.solbourne.com

garrett@Ingres.COM (It's not what you got, it's what you give) writes:
>
>The Republican version of Algebra: 
>If Jimmy Carter was a Democrat, and Bill Clinton is a Democrat,
>then Jimmy Carter = Bill Clinton.

  You forgot to divide by Governor and multiply by Southern. Dummy!

  Big :^)


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From: lorreen@meiko.com (Lorreen Pelletier)
Subject: Re: Third Party Poll Results: Actions You Can Take
Organization: Meiko Scientific Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:30:52 GMT

cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar) writes:
: 
: I voted for an Independent yesterday in my district's congressional
: race.  He wasn't a flake, and he raised almost as much as the
: challenging major party candidate.  Since he spent a good deal of his
: own money too, he actually outspent the major party challenger.
: 
: Last night, I watched the election returns.  As usual, the media did
: not report the results for independent candidates.
: 
[Much interesting stuff, including description of his "interviews" with
media sources and election officials re. above.]

I, too, found it disturbing that third party candidates (especially at the
presidential level--as there were several (at least on the Mass. ballot))
results were not reported.  

For example, there was one local station which repeatedly announced a
congressional candidate as running unopposed.  The other stations at least
had the good sense to report the results accurately--he was opposed by an
Independent candidate who got 16% of the vote! 

However, neither the local stations, nor the networks and cable news
stations even mentioned the other candidates running.  I voted for Marrou
(the Libertarian party presidential candidate) and was really irritated to
get no sense at all of what percentage of the vote he received.  Even the
morning paper didn't have info (though they did bother to have a line
noting "Other Candidates" with "0" votes and "0" percentage of votes.  As
this report was supposedly with 70% of the results in, I find these
figures unlikely.

Perhaps a tactic like Scott's is what's needed to get responsible coverage
of what I (and many others) consider an important message.  Still, it's
very irritating to think that such tactics should be necessary.

Lorreen



Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.clinton
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Subject: Re: Good Luck!!!
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:39:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.191044.5928@seas.gwu.edu> korman@seas.gwu.edu (John Korman) writes:
>
>Well, as a Perot supporter I wish the Clinton/Gore team the best of luck
>in their new job. Naturally, I am disappointed that the candidate I have
>been supporting didn't win but you can't win all the time. I sincerely 
>hope that by 1996 I can support the Clinton/Gore ticket, since that will
>mean that their administration has been doing a good job. The main issues
>that I will following would be:
>
> * The federal budget deficit.
> * Campaign reform.
> * Government reform.
>
>and,
>
> * ACTION rather than talk.
>
>For the sake of the country, I hope that these issues are addressed fully.
>If not, I will support another Perot candidacy in '96.

I never thought I'd be quoting Bush in a kind way in this political
season, but:

    You see, I remain absolutely convinced that we are a
 rising nation. We have been in an extraordinarily difficult
 period. But do not be deterred, kept away from public
 service by the smoke and fire of a campaign year or the
 ugliness of politics. 

I feel he has it backwards in the sense that the fire and smoke of a
campaign can inspire us to public service, but the sentiment is right,
that public service is not something to turn our backs on.  I believe
this strongly.

In any case, John, you also hold a responsibility in seeing all your
wishes fulfilled.  Push the Clinton administration if it strays, and
don't stop pushing.  That's our job as citizens, after all.
And gentlemen in England now abed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speak
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.	   [Henry V, 4.3]
Newsgroups: alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.perot