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From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Jesus/hell/xtain/little bunny fofo...
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:12:05 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

>                        *****************************
>    Do troubled teens listen to "hard stuff"?I suppose that some do.  However
>this report is not on murder, it's on suicide.  Perhaps today I will look at
>some phychology books to find out behavior pattern, and see if troubled
>people listen to music that fits their mood.
>                                       gersha,
>                                              smitty

	If it is the mood of the music that inspires individuals to commit
suicide, I would suspect that Country Music would be a major influence.
A good portion of the stuff is depressing (lost my wife, I'm an alcoholic,
can't get a job, etc.).  Most of metal and rap isn't depressing, but
angry and/or bitter and often with every right to be so.  Troubled people
look for music that says what they cannot say themselves due to being
oppressed either by parents, religious groups, or other organizations.

						Raymond H. Rich
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: timf@microsoft.com (Tim Fleehart)
Subject: Re: Jesus?
Date: 08 Oct 92 21:49:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Oct6.003915.19125@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu writes:
>In article <92279.25559.J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>>
>>WORK              When Written   Earliest Copy    Timespan  No.of Copies
>>============================================================================
>>New Testement      40-100AD          125AD           25yrs.     over 24,000
>                                       ^^^^
>           this date is woefully incorrect. The 24000 figure is about
>24001 too high. There were _no_ copies in existance at that date, unless
>Mr Colvin has one in his basement
>
>>Homer (Illiad)      900BC            400BC          500yrs.       643
>                                      ^^^^^
> Also misleading. The Illiad was much more famous in its time than the NT.
>>
>>AUTHOR            When Written   Earliest Copy    Timespan     No. of Copies
>>============================================================================
>>Caesar               100-44BC       900AD           1,000yrs.      10
>>Plato(Tetralogies)  427-347BC       900AD           1200 yrs.      7
>>Aristotle           384-322BC       1100AD          1,400 yrs.     49
>
>Same with these figures. Which Ceasar & what book pray tell? Aristotle was
>taught for thousands of years before this. There is much historical data, 
>including chroniclers of the times who mention these thinkers. 
>There is little historical mention of biblical writings untill @300 AD

Consider also the world population at the times these works were most
popular when you try to show 'importance by number of copies'.

What is number of copies anyway?  Number of copies from this date?

You don't remember hearing about that library in egypt that was torched
destroying many origial or last-surviving copy of works of the above authors
do you?  Maybe this has something to do with the numner in the "copies"
column...  Were they smote by god?

>>Manuscript reliability is supported by different versions.  Syraic and Latin
>>versions of the NT date to 150BC, and are supported by the older Greek texts.
>                            ^^^^^
>Oh, so now the NT was written _before_ Jesus' birth. Sounds about right for a
>fictional charachter...

Oops, they're gonna get him for that little slip...

>>In addition all 24,000 manuscripts, with the exception of 40 lines are ac-
>>curate transmissions from the older Greek texts.  There are 764 lines in doubt
>>in Homer's Illiad.
>
>All 24000 manuscripts huh? What if, say, all 24000 were copied from each other?
>This is how things were done in the old days of Monk/scribes...

...modern printing presses can do much better...

Tim
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: I'm afraid
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 03:44:20 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I saw an unusual vehicle some time ago. It was an 18-wheeler truck, parked at a
gas station, with a large cross outlined in lights on the front. Since that
day, I have pondered at great length on this disturbing sighting.

What if I had seen this truck, not stationary at the side of the road, but
moving rapidly in my rear-view mirror? Suppose I had been driving down the
slope of a mountain at the time? Would I have seen the avenging Angel of Death
bearing down upon me? Would it have put the fear of God in me? Could this be
the intent of the object in question? Are the churches hiring out 50-ton
vehicles in order to frighten people into attending church?

I should go to bed, I'm starting to sound like a conspiracist.

--Semhaza 
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: alex@bilver.uucp (Alex Matulich)
Subject: Re: Lost Book of the Bible?
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:02:15 GMT

nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson) writes:
>alex@bilver.uucp (Alex Matulich) writes:
>>That was interesting.  However, the list of biblical references to sources
>>that aren't in the Bible was missing one notable reference:  The Book of
>>Jasher (or Jashar).  This is a whole *book* that didn't make it into the
>>Bible, and it's mentioned twice in the Old Testament.
>
>You are correct that the "Book of Jashar" (Joshua 10:13, 2Sa 1:18) was not
>included into the Bible.  For that matter, neither was the "Book of the Wars
>of the Lord" (Nu 21:14).  These writings are not in existance today and were
>not in existance at the time that the Bible first began being written
>(gathered together).  This is not an oversight or a misrepresentation by
>those responsible for the Bible, but simply how can you include a book into
>the Bible when it is not available in the first place?

This would seem to invalidate claims of the bible's completeness (not that
I've seen any in this thread, but they do come up from time to time).

I originally brought up the Book of Jashar because it *does* exist.  I
have seen it published separately, complete with documentation claiming
its authenticity.  I read it too.  It doesn't really add to what's already
in the Bible, but gives a more detailed account of some of the more
obscure and unimportant events referenced by Joshua 10:13 and 2Sa 1:18.

(BTW, your post arrived here with each line longer than 80 characters.
Could you wordwrap things with bigger margins, please?)

-- 
 _ |__  Alex Matulich    alex.matulich@oau.org
 /(+__>  Unicorn Research Corp, 4621 N Landmark Dr, Orlando, FL 32817
//| \     UUCP:  alex@bilver.uucp   {peora|ge-dab|uunet!tous}!bilver!alex
///__)     Internet:  alex@bilver.oau.org | alex%bilver@peora.sdc.ccur.com
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Jesus/hell/xtian/little bunny fofo...
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:36:13 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University

Hey, I just pulled this poster off of the wall at my dorm here...
 
The poster has this occult-looking picture of some woman holding a
glowing light in her hands.  The poster says:
                      DEVIL WORSHIP
                   THE RISE OF SATANISM
 
                       * Values *
                     *Motivations*
                     *Occult Items*
                    *Teen Satanism*
                     *Heavy Metal*
                     *Criminology*
                       *Dangers*
 
 
                    Wed., Oct. 28th
   7:15pm Mac Cafeteria & 9:00pm Harsh. Cafeteria
      sponsored by: Campus Crusade For Christ
 
Cooooool.  I always wanted to know why heavy metal people were satanists.
This might even be like on TV or like Mike Warnke or something.  Maybe there
will be some expert there that has escaped the clutches of Satan and can
relate 'true' experiences of the horrors of heavy metal and satanism!
 
Seriously, though, why do I never see seminars on the 'rise of Xianity'?  
Maybe campus crusade for Cthulhu could sponsor an expert to come in and
tell about the dangers of Xianity...
 
--Joshua
 
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@henry.ece.cmu.edu (Scott Locklin)
Subject: Re: GRAPHIC
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:15:46 GMT

In article <19.1694.uupcb@synapse.org> paul.boyd@synapse.org (Paul Boyd)  writes:
>I noticed your little graphic and I couldn't help but wonder if you
>really relish the idea of molesting children. Although I am atheist, I
>can not like the idea of these kinds of acts. In fact, because I am
>atheist, I also don't believe in the devil. God and Satan are only
>personifications of human tendency. For example some people want to do
>"good" in the world, while others do not. I just feel sorry for the
>person who feels that molesting children is cool. More importantly, I
>feel sorry for any children who might know somebody who thinks it's cool
>to molest children. To be quite honest, I don't know very much about
>satanism as a cult, but I'm sure there'll be a response to my little
>letter.
>                                "Good" luck,
>                                        -Paul
>                                                                                                       

I'll be damned if I know what this person is talking about. I tried to mail
a FAQ & Maximus stuff, but its a fake address. Must be some kind of prank.
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: GRAPHIC
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:53:21 GMT

Well Paul, once again the classic 'make me look good by making you look bad
approach', huh?

I see your plan -- you think that by using a loaded word like 'molester' to
describe whoever you are referring to, you will make them look bad, and thus
make yourself look good.  Then, after making yourself seem like a person that
is concerned about the welfare of children, you will bring yourself closer to
them and their little sex parts.  You fucking pervert!  I can see right through
your lies.

I only hope that now little children will not fall into your trap, and realize
what a _good_ person I am.

--Joshua

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Jesus/hell/xtain/little bunny fofo...
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Keywords: Meet on the Compass
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 02:07:46 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <92289.175412CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Good point on the hard rock bit.  (But don't use the word normal...can't
>stand that word...).  Thank you all for giving me something to go on.
> I'm trying to find the relationship between what we do, and our
>personality. It kind of relates to a meeting I attended last week, on men and
>pornography. They see all this stuff, get a subconscious idea, and go rape
>somebody. Personally I don't agree with the above statement.

Neither do I. An idiot at my school is spending all kinds of federal grant 
money to try to establish a link between music videos and violence against
women. Personally I don't give a pair of foetid dingoes kidneys about music
videos, but this is another example of how dubious dangers are being used to 
take our freedoms away (like the "war on drugs" for example.

A comment on modern feminism.(y'know; those women who say any sexual 
intercourse where the man has an erection is rape)

Basically my argument against this type of thinking is that modern feminism
seeks to disempower men rather than empower women (like in the old days i.e.
70's-60's) R.A.Wilson says it better than I;

"In the 60s & 70s radical feminists tried to make women more like men. In the 
80s & 90s radical feminists try to make men like women."

call me old fashioned, but it seems to me that the old-time feminists did much
more for women than this new breed of feminist thinker has done (or will do)

>This will be a fun report....I always like to freak people out who are so
>comfortable and seem to know all there is to know.

Me too, one of my fav's...
>                                 later, gersha,
whats a gersha?
>                                           Smitty

part on the level...
-Scott
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:50:46 EDT
From: <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Jesus/hell/xtain/little bunny fofo...
 <1992Oct7.032100.17131@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
 <92283.114253CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Oct10.011708.29709@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>

Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
                --oh please....

>I've got a pregnant Idea (as usual). Why don't you do it on Xtian ritual
>killings? It should be easier to find references & examples. You do great
>disservice to the truth by spreading the lies of the xtian orthodoxy.
>I suppose you actually buy into the "troubled teen listens to Ozzy & kills his
>parents" bit...

I spread no lies.  However, you touched upon something that I was thinking
today.  I could do the speech on how religion and culture shapes people.
Primarily focus on Christian suicide, and cultural, for ex.jap. in WW2.From
this, I could touch on satanism and other religions.

    __ _/|
    \ o.O'    kill the cat, kill the cat, in clohululululul....ok, i admit
    =(___)=   this is in bad taste.  It's kind of how your reply made me feel
       U      Really Scott, I expect more than a petty blame on xtains.
              Don't discredit your obvious knowledge by blaming someone else.
                        *****************************
    Do troubled teens listen to "hard stuff"?I suppose that some do.  However
this report is not on murder, it's on suicide.  Perhaps today I will look at
some phychology books to find out behavior pattern, and see if troubled
people listen to music that fits their mood.
                                       gersha,
                                              smitty

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: timf@microsoft.com (Tim Fleehart)
Subject: Re: Jesus?
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:26:09 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <92280.21878.J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>
>Why do you suppose the land was given to the Isrealites?  Was it because the
>Caananites worshiped Baal?

Which Ba'al?  Ba'al Peor, Ba'al Zebub... ?  So god gave the land of the
caananites to the isrealites because the former didn't worship him?  Sounds
like justification for the spanish rape of central and south america..."They
are heathens, they are pagans..."  sigh...

>As you said David was punished.  The son born out
>of that relationship died.  Scott, I don't know if you have any kids or not
>but if you ever do, and you ever live longer than one of your children, you
>may know then know the anguish David felt when his son died.  Oh, but this
>is the Bible.  It's untrue!  Scott, when you have a kid, kill it, and see what
>the mother says.

Yeah... Still it's a case of god slaughtering an innocent to teach someone
else a lesson.  Still dispicable.

>>I believe Mao Tse Tung's book has been read by more people; see the book of
>>lists.
>
>Tung's book is no longer in use.  The Bible is.

So is "Grimm's fairy tails"...  Your point?


>Prove they existed.  BTW, you need to apply the same rules you apply to the
>Bible.
>...
>Forget any archeological artifacts.  They could have been orchestrated by
>the Timothy Leary, Rush Limbaugh, and Ted Kennedy.

Uh... we don't disallow allow archeological artifacts...

We use things like dinosaur bones... to discount the bible's account of
creation...  

>1 COR 2:14 - But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God;
>for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they
>are spiritually appraised.

"You are obviously not intelligent enough to see the truth of these
words."...  Logical fallacy.

>1 COR 1:22 - For indeed Jews ask for signs, and Greeks search for wisdom;
>(think you search for wisdom and there's nothing wrong with that).
>
>Scott or anybody for that matter, what evidence do you require in order to
>believe the Bible?

All or part?  There is evidence that some parts of the bible are true.
There is no evidence that other parts are true.  Because part of it is true,
it does not follow that all of it is true.
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: PAGAN IDOL WORSHIP
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:50:36 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University

I posted this on alt.evil, and didn't get any response, except e-mail
saying that I was fucked in the head, so I'm putting it up for your
consideration to see what you think...

 
Just imagine...  808 state, FLA, _Loud_ techno-industrial, whatever-the-hell-
you-call-it dance music.  A _huge_ graven image of whatever seems to be a
good archetype of a worshipable, but non-traditional object of worship.  Then,
to top it all off, hundreds of people raving out under the stars and
worshipping this idol.  Whether we made it a multi-campus event or an event for
just one campus, I think we could get a turnout.  I realize that it's not
feasible for some of all of us on this group to do together, but maybe those of
us that are geographically close (or just on one campus, if I must)?
 
Anyway, we get someone to create a big idol (3 stories at least) and then we
start advertising.  Posters everywhere proclaiming 'Pagan idol worship: be
there!' and the like.  Maybe an aggressive phone campaign, radio ads or
postings on the net.  Then we collect a small donation from each participant to
cover DJ and equipment cost. (I'm sure it wouldn't require much, because a lot
of people would come.)  The first one might have only a few hundred people, but
after some experience, imagine maybe a 8-10 story idol, thousands of people...
 
Basically just a rave with pagan idol worship as the theme.  So, what do you
think?
 
--Joshua
bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu    jallen@andy.bgsu.edu
 
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: donnell@morayeel.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Jesus?
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:03:50 GMT

The amount of evangelism going on here is truly astounding. And it all seems
to be of a Xian nature.
Is it possible to discuss Satanism here, or shall we just yell our beliefs
back and forth to the Evangelical contingent, until one side gets
a sore throat and gives up?

					--Judex--

From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:48:08 GMT
Subject: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.satanism

              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

2.) Are you pro choice?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
Yes                  [ ]
Sometimes            [ ]
No                   [ ]
Haven't heard enough [ ]
Other                [ ]

5.) What sex are you?
Male               [ ]
Female             [ ]

6.) How old are you?
Under 18           [ ]
19 to 65           [ ]
Over 65            [ ]

7.) What religion are you?
Protestant         [ ]
Catholic           [ ]
Jewish             [ ]
Other              [ ]

8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
Democratic         [ ]
Republican         [ ]
Other              [ ]

9.) How many years of education have you completed?
Grade School       [ ]
High School        [ ]
College            [ ]
More               [ ]
From: WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Ritual Child Abuse (was GRAPHIC)
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:34:47 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

S.A.F.F., a pro-pagan activist group in Leeds, UK, has published a pamphlet
titled _The Black Museum of Child Abuse: 100 Cases of Christian Ritualised
Child Abuse They Don't Want You to See._ Admittedly, it's a mish-mosh of
news item summaries, ranging from children spanked to death in Christian
communes, priests accused of fondling altar boys, ministers who play around
with parishioners' wives (yes, but how is this *child* abuse?) or who cut
off the genitals of corpses (ditto) or who get caught with prostitutes (")
or who collect indecent videotapes (").  But there are enough apparently
genuine cases that prove the point: child abuse is a real problem among
Christians, many of whom justify it in some way by appealing to "God's law"
or by alleging that Satanists do it with more style.

I'd be happy to send a copy to anyone interested (this item, I think, is
clear enough to FAX).
.
Bill Ellis (wce2 @ psuvm.pus.edu)                 Editor, FOAFtale News
Penn State, Hazleton Campus                       Voice: 717-450-3026
Hazleton, PA 18201-1291                           Fax: 717-450-3182
"I now know that thy right worship is defiance. To neither love nor reverence
 wilt thou be kind; and e'en for hate thou canst but kill; and all are killed."
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:43:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: alt.satanism

Oops! My apologies for posting my previous "Please Help" survey to this
group. It was an honest mistake and won't happen again.

Kingsley
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:39:19 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <20340001@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com> kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse) writes:
>              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

>1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
>Yes                  [ ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   [ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [X ]

(I think it has no relevance here)

>2.) Are you pro choice?
>Yes                  [ ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   [ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [X ]

(I think it has no relevance here)

>3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
>Yes                  [ ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   [ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [X ]

(I think it has no relevance here)

>4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
>rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
>Yes                  [ ]
>Sometimes            [ ]
>No                   [ ]
>Haven't heard enough [ ]
>Other                [X ]

(I think it has no relevance here)

>5.) What sex are you?
>Male               [ ]
>Female             [ ]
>Other              [X]

(I think it has no relevance here)

>6.) How old are you?
>Under 18           [ ]
>19 to 65           [ ]
>Over 65            [ ]
>Other              [X]

(I think it has no relevance here)

>7.) What religion are you?
>Protestant         [ ]
>Catholic           [ ]
>Jewish             [ ]
>Other              [X ]


>8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
>Democratic         [ ]
>Republican         [ ]
>Other              [X ]

(I think it has no relevance here)

>9.) How many years of education have you completed?
>Grade School       [ ]
>High School        [ ]
>College            [ ]
>More               [X ]

(I think it has no relevance here)

so, whats up with this?

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