HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: "Once upon a Weekend" demo tape
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:26:34 GMT

In article <712156524.F00001@therose.pdx.com> Leonard.Erickson@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:

[With respect to producing photos of hand-drawn work for publication.
--whh]

>If it's in color, you'd need to do a 3 or 4 color seperation as well 
>(depending on which they use). And that *will* be expensive.

The photo need not be color--even if you don't have black&white
processing available and quick.  Here's how . . .

Ilford has a film called "XP-2".  It is a two layer, chormogenic,
emulsion that is processed in C-41 chemisty (just like Kodacolor or
Fujicolor or other common color print films), but it only has one dye
coupler--black.  You get black&white negatives.  If it is *printed* in
color, the results are often ghastly, but some of the "1 hour" walk-in
"labs" have automatic b&w print machines.  Net result--b&w prints in a
couple of hours . . .

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: More (less controversial) Pennsic tips
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:45:28 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


	more useful widgets for your pouch:
	a churchkey - you never know when someone might offer you
		a homebrew and won't you feel silly if you can't drink it.
		(if you have a swiss army knife, you've got one)
	safety pins - for when some oaf steps on your skirt in the marketplace
	
	This year I plan to bring a couple hundred dollars in SBAs. Sew little
pouches for them in 2 or three colors like $5, $10 and $20. I highly recommend
this to royalty: Page, give the merchant two purses of money!
							-Ilaine

-- 
Liz Stokes         | Ilaine's EZ-Pregnancy Test 
Ilaine de Cameron  | ... "Now take the skein of handspun yarn out of the 
                   | dyebath. If it is green, you are with child, if it
ilaine@panix.com   | is blue, you are not."
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From: graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon)
Subject: courtesy debate
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 13:17:22 EDT

Greetings!

I'd like to suguest that this debate is not really grounded in a 
problem with courtesy (since just about everybody on boths sides
is generally polite), but in something quite different.

I think it's really about how much value the non-scholarly,
non-recreationist, non-medieval aspects of the SCA have; I
would guess that Bertram thinks that these aspects are quite
valuable, and that Hossein and Stephen at the very least wish
that they would go away.

You really don't look like your really arguing about politeness,
folks, you look like you're arguing axioms.

Graydon

        Graydon the Curious         /graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca
  Skraeling Althing, EAldormere, MK / "Nihil est quin obsisti possit"
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Sender: postmaster@therose.pdx.com
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: The Lost Members (was Re: Cariadocs county proposal)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:57:00 -0700

GR>  From: GEN0036@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (GILBERT RICHARD)
GR>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
GR>  <1992Jul14.133441.23238@progress.com>
GR>  <1992Jul14.163837.19701@watson.ibm.com>
GR>  <1992Jul18.102113.5959@agora.uucp>
GR>
GR>  Moreach writes:
GR>  > Arval asks of what I complain in regard to the use of zip codes by
GR>  the SCA.
GR>  >
GR>  > Specifically, our shire is being cut considerably in size due to
GR>  the fact of a
GR>  > local historic oddity. Many miles of area way outside of our
GR>  nearest big city
GR>  > went for many years completely unincorporated, and so they fall
GR>  under the same
GR>  > zip as the city, even though in another county, and well on the
GR>  other side of

[etc]

GR>  You say "cut considerably in size"... How many members are inside
GR>  this
GR>  strange area? I mean, are we talking about the difference between a
GR>  shire
GR>  and a barony here, or...?

Probably, but the shire has no interest in becoming a barony at all. Too 
many barons spoil the soup!  :-)

Anyway, to bring this up to date, I have discovered that the zip code issue 
is not being pushed by Milpitas in our area, but by our kingdom seneschal, 
who has the odd idea that we have only one paid member inside our shire. 
(Which for the information of another correspondent has traditionally 
included both Washington and Clackamas mundane counties.) We were able to 
count up over a dozen in about a minute, between three people in the room, 
so it is a matter of some mistake in communication, or something. I 
apologize to any Corp. employees who may have heard of my complaint. It 
wasn't their doing. (Although I do believe the problem wouldn't have popped 
up if it weren't for their using this sometimes faulty criterion.)

Moreach NicMaolain
trifid@agora.rain.com 
 

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From: sherman@trln.lib.unc.EDU ("Dennis R. Sherman")
Subject: FAQ and Style Guide available
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:38:22 GMT

Greeting to the Rialto from Robyyan.

The beginning-of-the-month reminder:

There is a Frequently Asked Questions list available, providing
answers to those FAQs, and a posting style guide.  (Highly Recommended 
reading)

To get your very own copy, you can

1.  Wait for the middle of the month, when the entire thing will be 
    posted.
2.  Retrieve the list via FTP from one of the following sites:
		site		  filename
	meadow.stanford.edu	pub/faq.txt
	ftp.nau.edu		sca/rialto.info
	bransle.ucs.mun.ca	pub/sca/rialto_faq
3.  Request a copy from me via email.
4.  Retrieve the FAQ from news.answers, or any site with news.answers
    archives.

And again a reminder: if you have suggestions for things to include in
the FAQ, or opinions to offer on anything that is already there, please
mail me - I may not see a suggestion buried in a posting to the Rialto.
I respond to all comments I receive, and occasionally summarize to the
Rialto if it seems appropriate.

*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
* Robyyan Torr d'Elandris  Kapellenberg, Windmaster's Hill  Atlantia *
*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
* Dennis R. Sherman  	         Triangle Research Libraries Network *
* dennis_sherman@unc.edu       Univ. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill *
*--------------------------------------------------------------------*
From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Tablet/Card Weaving Ques
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:15:00

>Has anybody seen Egon Hansen's _Tablet_Weaving:_History,_Techniques,_
>_Colours,_Patterns_? Is it worth the $55 as listed in Unicorn Books'      
>catalogue? I'm also desperately looking for my own copy of Collingwood's  
>_Techniques_of_Tablet_Weaving_. If you find one available, *please* let me
>know. (I don't think anyone takes it out of the local library but me.)    

I checked around, and sure enough Margaret Pierce, my juggling
student/partner has a copy.  She says it is definitely worth the
price, primarily because much of the information isn't available
anywhere else, unless you can read Danish.  (And *those* books are
hard to find and out of print.)  However, she warns that it isn't
written in a clear, concise, easy to understand way.  (She said
something about Danes from Mars?)  She recommends that you have a
copy of the Peter Collingwood book next to you.  ("Techniques for
Tablet Weaving."  If you have not seen this, run, don't walk, to the
nearest public library.  Check the card catalog, and if necessary
use the Interlibrary Loan system.  But you *have* to see it.)
Coming from her, that might be scary, because she finds the
Collingwood book unclear and intimidating, but...

As I'm finishing this, I realize that I'm not sure it was
translated from Danish, and references to Danish should, perhaps,
be converted to some other language.....  <sigh>
___
 X MegaMail 2.10 #0:CRUSADE CRUSADE CRUSADE!!!!

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From: Leonard.Erickson@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Rape, women, carrying weapons
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:02:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.712101755.F00003

In a message to All <07-23-92 19:07> Graydon wrote:

Gr>  From: graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon)
Gr>
Gr>  A threat of violence is *not* effective unless is carries conviction;
Gr>  this is a complicated and subtle compound of voice, body language,
Gr>  and the experience of the individual your are trying to threaten.
Gr>  (Standard 18 year old males, particularly when drunk, *do not*
Gr>  threaten well; they get macho, and stupid.)
Gr>
Gr>  The short form is it only works if you will do you damndest to kill
Gr>  or cripple the assaultor if you threaten them with a weapon.
Gr>
Gr>  The basic rule for this sort of thing is 'run, talk, fight, in
Gr>  that order, dammit!'.  Another is *do not get drunk in the presence
Gr>  of strangers*.  *Ever*.

I have had the *very* unpleasant experience of being backed into a corner by 
someone who *wanted* a fight. This was a mundane situation, not SCA. I 
grabbed a handy mop handle and managed to convey the truth, to wit:

1. I did *not* want to fight
2. If he pressed me any farther I was going to do *whatever* it took to
   *stop* him.
3. I doubted that I was "good enough" to do so without killing him.

I suspect that he could see that I was on the ragged edge, too.

He backed off and I never had any more trouble with him, but it was close...

There is something to be said for having a strong resemblance to the 
stereotypical "cornered rat". But I don't recommend it as a defensive 
technique.

I no longer have this sort of problem after a bit of coaching from a friend. 
He pointed out that in casual wear I tend to look like a biker. So I just 
have to *act* confident, and nobody wants to risk finding out if I *am* a 
"bad dude". :-)

Seriously, get a few friends to help. Most people have no idea of what they 
*really* look like to others. You may be able to avoid problems by just 
changfing your body language. 
 
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander)
Subject: Re: Documentation
Organization:  Organization??? 
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 05:54:38 GMT

Tadhg writes:
 
>     Alexander of Kiev wrote to Hossein Ali Qomi:
>
>    CJ> In pragmatic
>    CJ> terms, Coke's _Institutes_ is, for me, available; while the _Corpus
>    CJ> Iuris Civilis_ with Accursius' _Glossa Ordinaria_ -- *the* legal
>    CJ> textbook of the 13th & 14th centuries -- is not.  
>
> Ack! But how can you make any sense (historically) out of Coke unless you
> can dig into Bracton and Glanville and the Dialogus de Scaccario?

Well, my point was that Coke is accessible to me *in the original* because 
the original is essentially modern English.  Bracton and Glanville are 
hardly more accessible to me than Justinian and Accursius, in their 
original forms -- but of course the former pair are readily available 
in modern English translations while the latter are apparently not.
I am not familiar with the Dialogus de Scaccario.
 
Alexander of Kiev                       Carolingia, East

Carl Alexander                          Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass.
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu 

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From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Violence, and the use thereof in self defense.
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:08:50 GMT

In article <2JaHoB3w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon) writes:

>archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:

>> In article <XR1DoB2w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Gray
>> 
>> >archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>> 
>> [my own post about the statistical effectiveness of self-defense deleted]
>> 
>> >Vidarr help me, I'm about to make a post about the chiefest of my
>> >pet peeves - the general resemblence of the majority of the population
>> >to someone having the tactical sense of a newborn dik-dik.

[snip]

>> >The short form is it only works if you will do you damndest to kill
>>                                                                 ^^^^
>> I only take issue with thine words here.  While intent should not change 
>> your action, the spiritual cost of "attempting to kill" is too much for 
>> many peole to bear.  Far better to "do one's damndest to STOP and 
>> assaultor."  It that results in the villian's demise, so be it.

>Hmmm... maybe a better way to put this is that a small person with
>limited training is going to have to do things, if they are going
>to stop a real assault, that are going to run a large chance of 
>killing the assaultor.  I'd much rather people thought about this
>ahead of time; it makes them more careful, if I may be permitted
>the generalization.

>Under the circumstances, 'stop' strikes me as euphemistic.

Forsooth.  'Tis true that to the minimally or untrained, such as myself, the 
control necessary to stop and attacker at minimum harm is lacking.  'Tis 
why, in far off Mundania, the peasantry and yeoman are not taught "shoot to 
wound," even though a wounded adversary is of far more value than a dead one.

The mental and sprititual consequenses bearing on the death of another are 
well-advised topics for advance consideration, when deciding whether to 
carry a weapon.

For myself, mundane legal council has advised that "shoot to stop, torso is 
the largest and most likely target" is a safer position to advocate than "
shoot to kill,"  which the jury doth despise.  Hence, my euphamistic 
speech.  This, and a workplace in a large beaurocracy that doth despise 
clear speech gives me bad habits.
-=-=-
T. Archer  PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu
University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
-=-=-
From: ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period vs. Filk (was Basic Courtesy)
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:12:31 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:

> Mr. Johnstone, it's a darned good thing you live all the way over in
> Australia or I'd have to come over to your house and give you a big wet
> raspberry.  Tossing Kipling (the Revered One) in with Jethro Tull's
> _Broadsword and the Beast_ album is certainly not the worst insult to
> ol' Rudyard in recent years, but it is one of the ranker ones.
> 
nah, that's an insult to the good gentles who make up jethro tull, ti 
place them in the same league as the person who wrote "white man's 
burden"...  _songs from the wood_ is my favorite holiday album...  
whether it belongs at an SCA event, well, that rather depends...

                           -ailsa

                ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
 
"If it has tires or testicles, you're going to have trouble with it."
                            _Ohio state Senator Linda Furney
From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Gentiles again? (was: Re: Morris Dance info needed)
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:45:40 GMT
Reply-To: boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <3188@creatures.cs.vt.edu>,
jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter) writes:

> >to all those interested gentiles in morris dancing, i would suggest
>                          ^^^^^^^^ 
> >posting to alt.wicca ...they would be most able to answer a question
> >of this sort....;)
> 
> Only gentiles...  You're probably right, the Banu Israel have better sense
> than most Franks.  At least it's better than the posting some months
> ago inviting all good "genitals" to do something or other.
> 
> Hossein/Greg

Forgive me, mi'lord, for commenting upon the common error you make here,
but this very subject came up a year or two ago upon this very Rialto.
I no longer, alas, have access to the Oxford English Dictionary at
work :-(, but I do recall that said tome does offer "gentile", "genteel",
"gentle", and "gentyle" as period spellings of the word we've come to
know as "gentle". Many are the missives posted here which use one of
these variant spellings.

Unfortunately, as I said, I don't have the OED handy, or I could look
up the use of "gentile" to refer to those not Jewish.  (Anybody else
have a chance?)

				- - Steve
				    boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com
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From: vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James)
Subject: Re: Steward's office restructuring.
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:18:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.202042.9169@progress.com> schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei) writes:
)Arval (quoting a publication I posted) wrote:
 
)  Among the goals of the "Steward's Council" which the Board discussed in its
)  letter, was listed:
 
)  >   o Coordinating servicemark registration
 
)  Does anyone have any idea what this means?
 
)A Guess, only a GUESS, just GUESSING:
)A servicemark is like a trademark: a registered name used for conducting
)a particular business.  For example, many banks and investment houses
)have names registered for their exclusive use, and can use the court
)system to control that use.
)Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)

	From Websters:

(1945)
:a mark or device used to identify a service (as transportation or
	insurance) offered customers


Kwellend-Njal
-- 
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vnend@princeton.edu, vnend@pucc.bitnet, or {backbone}!princeton!nudity!vnend        
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"Occational vulgarity is a by-product of the vitality and passion without which  there can be no great art."
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Advice for Pennsic
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:07:42 GMT
Keywords: Pennsic, Camping, linen

In article <21JUL199223521600@pavo.concordia.ca> g_leach@pavo.concordia.ca (LEACH, GRAHAM) writes:
>I have a question for all seasoned Pennsic campers (or campers in general,
>for that matter ... :>  )
>
>When I went camping recently I noticed the fact that the sleeping bags and
>the pillows we used quickly became damp - by the second day we were resigned
>to it.  Mind you it was a very rainy trip, but no rain actually fell upon the
>bed linen.  Does this happen at Pennsic, or is it just a regional thing here?
>(Quebec, CANADA).

How large and how water-tight is your tent?  The moisture may simply
be your own sweat kept in a relatively small, sealed, environment.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Gaelic v. Irish?
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1992 11:40:40

 Marcos writes:

 ML>    Uhmmmmmm, no.  Mediaeval Gaelic is as different from current Irish as
 ML> ancient Greek is from modern English.  One can find books on modern Gaelic
 ML> but I've never seen a manual or dictionary on old Gaelic.

 Wrong.

 Medieval Gaelic is no different from modern Irish - in fact, probably less
 different - than medieval English is different from modern English.

 There are a number of grammars and dictionaries avaiable for both Old
 Irish and Middle (medieval) Irish - just look in the book catalog under
 "Old Irish" and "Middle Irish", because they always have those words in
 their titles.

    Tadhg, person of Old Irish persona.

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Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: michael squires <mikes@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Rapier Combat in Meridie
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:27:29 -0500

In article <712164687.F00002@ocitor.fidonet> Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis) writes:
>Greetings unto Wolfrick Thorinsson, from Stephen of the Grove!
>
>You wrote...
>
>>I would respectfully point out that "duels" as you have defined them _DO_
>>occur in the SCA.  I am referring to challenge or honour duels.  These
>>combats do occasionally arise, and are a valid part of the re-creation we
>>do.  If one feels dishonoured or wronged, the Field of Honour can be an
>>appropriate means of redress.  As long as these "duels" are strictly
>>within the rules of SCA combat (either Medieval or Renaisance styles) then
>>IMHO they are appropriate.

If I discovered that a fighter was using the armored fighters list (I hate
the term "rattan") to fight in anger then I'd seriously consider 
immediately calling a Marshall's Court and requesting that the fighter's 
authorization be pulled until the case could be reviewed by the Earl Marshall.

-- 

Mike Squires (mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu)     812 855 3974 (w) 812 333 6564 (h)
mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu          546 N Park Ridge Rd., Bloomington, IN 47408
From: Leonard.Erickson@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Photography in the SCA (long)
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:41:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.712089041.F00002

In a message to Andrew Smith <07-24-92 14:36> Suze Hammond wrote:

SH>  AS>  From: amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Smith)
SH>  AS>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
SH>
SH>  AS>  You do suggst that we take up illuminating the scenes of interest,
SH>  AS>  and then reproducing them in a photographic manner, for those who
SH>  AS>  would be interested for such items.   _That_ is about the
SH>  AS>  brightest idea I have heard yet, thank you.
SH>
SH>  Thank *you*!
SH>
SH>  Although this sounds inconsistent on first hearing, the reasoning is
SH>  that mundanian media are generally set up to process photographs, not
SH>  artworks, and I suspect photos of artwork would be easier for them to
SH>  deal with than the real thing, even if the limners wanted to add that
SH>  much work to their load...

Actually, single color (prefereably black on white) pen & ink work is 
*easier* and cheaper to include in just about *any* printing process. It 
just needs to be clear, and fairly high contrast. (ie, any given area is 
either black or white, no grays allowed)

I wonder if there are any *period* means of quickly reproducing such art? 
Woodcuts are a *pain*, even if you cheat and use linoleum blocks instead.

Any body know if hectographs are period? 
 
From: Stephen.Whitis@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Whitis)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet