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From: f92bjsa@fy.chalmers.se (Bjorn Sandberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ftp site
Date: 21 Dec 92 12:38:01 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden


Hey, I think this has been up before, but try ftp-ing wpi.wpi.edu. Just a 
hint: that file 00README isn't that bad...

"Never tell me the odds!"			-- BJORN
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Hardware Wars
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 15:48:57 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

I noticed a Hardware Wars quote in a tagline here recently and started 
remembering the waving tractor beam, migraine headaches, flying toasters, 
brown Cookie monsters, the whole bit.  Does anybody have this on 
videocassette?  There have been way too many times when I've said, "Hey, 
have you ever seen Hardware Wars?" and then tried to describe it, with 
little luck.  I would very much like to acquire a copy.  



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From: darkstar@ravel.udel.edu (Jerry Of The Jungle)
Subject: Re: Red/green lightsabers
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: Wow
Keywords: surviving the iron storm, i pledge to do...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy far, far away...
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:46:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.184910.24601@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Actually, the shift in the color of Vader's saber
>is probably related to some old experiments in
>which organisms were trained to be blind to
>certain factors-such as color. By shifting the
>color on the sabre betwen red and green the
>people in the audience, after watching unnoticed
>for a number of times as most fans did, would
>eventually be incpable of discerning red from green.
>Thus, Star Wars fans would not be able to competently
>react to stop lights resulting in huge numbers of traffic
>fatalities and accidents. Since large cars, usually
>American, are better protection for drivers in accidents
>than small cars, the demand for American big-cars would
>increase. Thus we learn that Lucas was bribed by a
>coalition of GM, Ford and Chrysler to try to stop the
>erosion of the market for the American car by mass-
>brainwashing techniques.  In that sense, Lucas could
>be called both a patriot, for his protection of the American
>industry, and also a pioneer in psycho-engineering. Viva
>Lucas!
>
>			John


Hey, but then if Lucas was being paid by the big three, then why did he
ever make Tucker--The Man And His Dream?


	--Jerry



-- 

Jerry Alexandratos           | "True greatness is a not a measure of
darkstar@freezer.cns.udel.edu|  how large one's intelligence is, but
darkstar@bach.udel.edu       |  rather how little one's ignorance is."
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From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: What in the galaxy were we thinking?!
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:54:33 GMT
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In article <92352.232440GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>, <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>How many times now have we speculated on the plotlines of the next (first)
>trilogy?  Oh boy, the training of Anakin!  His turn to the dark side!  The
>adventures of Obi-Wan!
..
>Considering all the back history that has been told in the movies and other
>sources to these events, it is probably a good idea not to base the movies on
>this plot anyway.  What good will it be to watch the new trilogy if we already
>know half the stuff that is going on, and also know how it will end up.

Yeah, that's why it's so damned boring to watch Star Wars, The Empire
Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi over and over again.  We already know
what's going to happen and how they're going to end!

(I shouldn't have to say this, but that WAS sarcasm.)

--Gallandro

    "Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie."   --Ham Salad, "Hardware Wars"
From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: C-3PO and R2-D2 Schematics
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:37:38 GMT
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In article <1992Dec28.115634.23202@schbbs.mot.com>, AVRK90@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Kevin Cox) writes...
>I found this in some Star Wars news paper that was published in '77 (I
>think).  It's probably copywrighted, oh well....

Was this an OFFICIAL newspaper or a fan-written one?  Some of it seems
awfully close to what has been published in other sources, but I refuse to
believe that 3PO and R2 met on the Blockade Runner.  Also, Lucas has stated 
that 3PO had a long string of masters before Luke (some of whom were
depicted in the Droids cartoon series).

--Gallandro

    "Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie."   --Ham Salad, "Hardware Wars"
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From: darkstar@ravel.udel.edu (Jerry Of The Jungle)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: Oh Come On!
Keywords: three to get ready...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy far, far away...
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 09:14:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.233918.7198@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>>>ONCE AGAIN, it is not the NON-GLOWING of the saber (which I admit may be an
>>>FX glitch) it is the VISBILE SHORTENING. (And it is not "some stated", it is
>>>only me. No brave soul had backed me up on that one yet!)
>>>
>>>Ben's fighting technique, the music, Darth comment, and the visuals are all
>>>consistent with a shortening saber.
>>
>>No one has backed you up because without 3-D glasses there is no
>>depth perception, and without depth, what you call a shortening
>>of a saber blade is more rationally explained as a blade pointed
>>towards the camera rather than at a profile.  The blade is not shortened.
>>However, believe what you want.
>
>Ahaa. A common fallacy of those who take geometry too literally. It is not
>required to have 3D vision to "measure" (or just visualize) an object if
>it follows traceable motion on a 2D projection!
>

[mumbo jumbo deleted]

You are right about your scientific explanation.  But, you are being
very selective with what you say.

Originally, you said that the Force was tied in to the intensity of a
lightsaber.  Now, someone points out "Well why didn't the same thing
happen in ROTJ then?".
Also, several times in said battle between Kenobi and Vader, both of
their sabers seem to flicker once in a while (this is a documented FX
boo-boo).
But then you go on and say that the saber is actually shortening, and
that our eyes are playing tricks on us, and that it isn't the
perspective of the shot that makes the saber look shorter, but it is
actually shorter!  Well, there is one problem with your explanation.
You forgot to mention foreshortening.  Now while you are completely
right about what you said about how even with one eye, you can see in
3D, you left out the fact that you must be looking at a 3D object.  The
eye cannot comprehend input the way you mention when it is looking at
a flat object--hence foreshortening.  What's that?  That's when artists
make certain objects larger or more prominent then others, so that they
appear to be closer, or facing a different axis.  Now, nifty camera
angles are also created to do the same thing.  This is done to create
a sense of depth, and a "truer" sense of 3D.  Thus, your two
establishing camera angles, only serve to give a false sense of 3D,
but when people think that the reason the saber looks shorter is because
people are supposed to think that it looks shorter because of the way
it's pointing relative to the camera, flat axis of the screen...



	--Jerry


ps--About your "Truth" comment...  Remember:

   Many of the truth's we cling to, depend on a certain point of view.



-- 

Jerry Alexandratos           | "True greatness is a not a measure of
darkstar@freezer.cns.udel.edu|  how large one's intelligence is, but
darkstar@bach.udel.edu       |  rather how little one's ignorance is."
From: lone@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (John Hale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Favorite SW Moments
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 09:41:54 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

goldek@aix.rpi.edu (Ken Goldenberg) writes:

> After re-watching the trilogy in letterboxed format (wow wow wow), I'd
> have to say that the most-incredible-super-dooper moment in any of the
> three films (well, that I can think of at the moment) is when the Falcon
> swings down towards the trench in ANH to shoot the second TIE fighter.
> The sun behind the Falcon makes it glow "just right"
> 

        Hell, what about the loop-de-loops of the BIG asteroid scene in 
TESB, tell me TIE fighter traffic jam behinf the_Falcon_wasen't standard 
NYC fare.....
"Chewie, set 2-7-1" "Rowllf!" "You're not actually going IN to an 
asteroid filed?" "They'd be crazy to follow us."        -Lone Wolf
From: ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: x-wings??????   why?????
Date: 30 Dec 1992 19:33 CST
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In article <1729@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes...
>ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:
>: 
>: >>     Oh8Jyh yeah, in deep space, we would not be able to hear noise as there
>: >>no air to carry the sound waves.  When you see a passing ship, it would not 
>: >>make that vvvvhhisssshhhhh sound... I guess that would make for a boring 
>: >>battle scene though.
I did not say the above, i was responding to the original poster.  please be 
more careful when attributing pervious postings.  I know that we would not 
hear noise, but the noise involved a suspension of disbelief to make the 
movie better.

-thomas
From: ss@realsoon.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: What am I doing wrong?
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:52:22
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: realsoon.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: medwards@qualcom.qualcomm.com's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:42:39 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:42:39 GMT, medwards@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Matt Edwards) said:



medwards> Whenever I try to get on these archives at wpi.wpi.edu and
medwards> use 'anonymous' as the login name it doesn't let me log in.

medwards> login: anonymous Password: medwards@qualcomm.com Login
medwards> incorrect login:

medwards> Ok, am I missing something?

Type ftp for the login name, and your E-mail address for the password.
--
 Scott Streeter                             Visit the Star Wars Archive at
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu       130.215.24.1
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From: m1b@rayssd.ssd.ray.com (Barone)
Subject: Re: Hamill the comic collector (was: Hamill's Movie Career...Anyone?)
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:21:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.062250.8382@cs.mun.ca> craig@odie.cs.mun.ca (Craig Coffin)
writes:
>    You missed one of the most important parts of the story.  There is a little
> guy who only the hobo (Hammill) can see, who encourages him to do all this.
> Near the end, Hammill, poor and destitute, gives this little guy a royal
> telling off.  This is when the yuppies discover his stuff.  Later, during
> the auction, when he realizes how much dough he is getting, he apologizes
> to the little guy and offers to buy him a drink.  Since the guy is invisible,
> a girl sitting nearby thinks he is talking to her, so it ends with Hammill
> getting the money AND the girl.  Not a bad deal... should tell us collectors
> something....

The one part I found incredible was when the yuppy discovers him.  She
offers him "10" for a stein she sees him holding.  He says, "10 dollars?"
and she replies, "No, 10 thousand dollars."  Yeah, right.  A real yuppy
would have said, "Yeah, and that's my final offer" and, after swindling
the old fellow, turn around and resell the stein for $10,000, laughing
at the hapless codger the whole while!

Other than that, I found this story to be bittersweet.  The man had
wasted a large portion of his life (50 years or so) essentially doing
nothing!  This was clearly a man possessed by his collections.  Despite
all of the rewards he was reaping at the end, I don't think many people
would trade their lives with him.
-- 
Joe Barone
m1b@rayssd.ssd.ray.com
Has it really sunk in yet that as of January 20th, Mick Jagger
will be older than the President of the United States?
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 10:07:22 MST
From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another error?
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu
	<1992Dec31.144916.2940@watson.ibm.com>

*giggle*  Keep this up and you'll have people comparing Lucas to
Shakespeare because of the depth of the symbolism involved...

Hey, wait a minute!  This is already happening!  *grin*

I think the stormtrooper banging his head is a symbol of the
imcompetence of an empire crumbling apart because of the monomania of
one man in his search for his son...

This could be fun!  Let's do some more...

The dice in the cockpit of the Falcon are symbolic of Han's
happy-go-lucky attitude.  Or they could be more like D&D dice, and
suggestive that one's fate is decided at random.

Leia's hair muffins in the first movie symbolize her uptight virginity
-- she needs to let her hair down.  Ditto with the white dress.

C3PO's remark about the damage not being so bad suggests that we all
need to get away from it all where we can put life in perspective.

I could go on and on all day, but some of you are better at this than
I am when you're being serious...this could be a fun thread.

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
From: lone@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (John Hale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader Cremation/Fav moments
Keywords: DGeorge Lucas, Emoks
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 09:44:27 EST
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:

> In article <9236416.13725@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> winikoff@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Michael Da
> >No one seems to have mentioned this one yet ...
> >
> >One of my favorite moments in the trilogy is when Luke cremates
> >Darth Vaders remains in ROTJ.
> [stuff deleted]
> >Michael
> >winikoff@cs.mu.oz.au
> 
> I agree. It was one of the few really good emotional moments of ROTJ.
> If ONLY they had rolled the credits right there, I would have felt
> much better about the film. But the debacle that follows is UGLY!
> yug yug!

        I seem to recall that Lucas himself had some apprehensions about 
the whole Ewok thing. Something like "I was afraid that people would 
think the whole fuzzy bear thing was too corny" I have the original TIme 
magazine article from when RoTJ came out, and it too calls the last 
eighth of the film "one of the corniest endings in recent times" Oh, 
well, not everybody can have an adult, sophisticated, collegiate, 
archetypical/meaningful/heavy movie all the time. I also recall that he 
had said (perhaps in SW to Jedi?) that he had already used up Kashyakkk, 
and so couldn't use the Wookies again, so instead of really BIG he just 
went really SMALL. (And c'mon, what kind of empire needs its biggest 
battle station to be guarding a slave world) I for one liked the party, 
although some scenes of shaking, sweat-soaked fighter pilots and battered 
droids being pulled out of smoking fighters would have lent some credence 
to the spacewar theme. I dunno. I might have turned into_Ice Pirates_, if 
he'd done that......
"Assure you, this station will be operational as planned..."
"The Emperor does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation."
                                                        -Lone Wolf
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From: lyon@egr.msu.edu (Scott Lyon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Star Wars vs ST:TNG(Post-Roddenberry)
Date: 21 Dec 92 23:16:05 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
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Before I start, to all who plan to flame me for this post, PLEASE DON'T!
Special note: This is intended to be humorous. Whether it is or not is up to
you... Now that thats out of the way...


Bear in mind that I am (gasp!) both a Star Trek (including TNG) fan and a Star
Wars fan... However(as may be obvious after reading this), I am much more of a
fan of Star Wars rather than ST:TNG. But, being fans of both, I've noticed some
interesting parallels this season on TNG, and was wondering if anyone else
picked up on them:


In the TNG episode "Relics" (The one where Scotty returned), when the
Enterprise was being pulled into the sphere, who else was expecting Wesley
Crusher to suddenly be on the bridge and remark "Why are we still moving
towards it?!"

In the same episode, when the Enterprise finally escapes the sphere, who else
recognized Han Solo's "Bank" manuever?

In the TNG episode "Chain of Command I", how many people were waiting for the
Ferengi to say "So you're looking for passage to the Alderaan system?"

In the same episode, didn't that bar remind anyone of the cantina at Mos
Eisley?

Has anyone noticed the similiarity between the skin color of the Borg from TNG
and Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader(unmasked)?


Well, thats all I've found so far... I have noticed (coincidence?) that most of
these (if not all) are post-Roddenberry, meaning the TNG episodes were
written/produced/created AFTER the death of Gene Roddenberry. Do you suppose
the writers, since his passing, are letting their Star Wars influences show
through a little more?

-Scott Lyon
From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another error?
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:54:57 GMT
Organization: Finnish University and Research Network (FUNET)

In <1992Dec29.082547.19859@schbbs.mot.com> bstdenis@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Brian St. Denis) writes:

>light-saber is still red.  Darth kills Ben.  Everyone starts blasting shots.
>For some reason, the doors close to the area where Darth and Ben were
>fighting, trapping Darth behind the doors.  In this scene, as the
>doors close, Darth's light-saber is green (like Bens was).  I think
>this is a major error.

It isn't green, it is grey. The ILM forgot to put any color on it...
At least it is grey on my tape, and as some others have pointed out,
it has been grey on their tapes too.

>Are there other obvious script errors in the SW movies?

I wouldn't call these bugs 'script errors', they're more like
technical errors. Currently I can think of these:

- C3PO's silver leg
- Stormtrooper's head hits the door in ANH (the scene where C3PO and
R2D2 are 'trapped' in that closet)
- They had problems with R2D2 in ANH. In the scene in blockade runner R2 is
coming from Leia. R2 turns slightly right and on that course it would
hit the wall. The film is cut just before the hit would happen.
- the yellowish things around space ships (not really an error though)
- sometimes in TESB you can see the ground through the snow speeders
- in TESB Han's shirt changes when he's about to go to carbonite
- in ROTJ, the scene where Han gives Falcon to Lando, Lando walks
towards Falcon. He has to slow down so that he wouldn't hit the Falcon
painting on the background
- on Endor in ROTJ, when the rebels surrend to imperials, one Stormtrooper
raises his hands too (someone had an explanation for this here but I
can't remember what it was)
- again, not an error but an interesting thing; the scene in both
death stars (in ANH and ROTJ) where they're about to fire, is the
same. They re-cycled the 'Fire!' scene on purpose, not by accident.

-- 
Tapio Keihanen - tapio@nic.funet.fi \ / "Never look back, never turn!"
                - k135528@cc.tut.fi / \        -Ronnie James Dio, 1981
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From: medwards@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Matt Edwards)
Subject: What am I doing wrong?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:42:39 GMT



Whenever I try to get on these archives at wpi.wpi.edu and use
'anonymous' as the login name it doesn't let me log in.

login:  anonymous
Password:  medwards@qualcomm.com
Login incorrect
login:

Ok, am I missing something?
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From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: Another error?
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:29:27 GMT
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In article <1992Dec30.105457.20662@nic.funet.fi>, tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes...
>I wouldn't call these bugs 'script errors', they're more like
>technical errors. Currently I can think of these:
> 
>- C3PO's silver leg

No reason to assume that's an error, especially since it's consistent
throughout the three movies.

[others deleted]

>- Stormtrooper's head hits the door in ANH (the scene where C3PO and
>R2D2 are 'trapped' in that closet)

This is one of those things that everyone points to as a blooper in Star
Wars.  Think about it: it's not.  Why COULDN'T a Stormtrooper hit his head
on barging into a room?  It's an error on the STORMTROOPER'S part, but a
blooper is something that's logically inconsistent within the movie.  This
doesn't qualify.

--Gallandro

    "Take it easy, kid.  It's only a movie."   --Ham Salad, "Hardware Wars"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: jwalsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Jason Walsh  )
Subject: Re: Denis Lawson
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 06:44:38 GMT

Denis Lawson also starred in the movie Local Hero.  He plays about 5
different roles in the movie ( I think).   I thought the movie
was unentertaining but Hey, It's Wedge.  

Jason Walsh.
From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: The Deadly Doors of Starwars
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:39:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Dec20.093332.23913@leland.Stanford.EDU> galahad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Compton) writes:

>Hello,
...
>Right when the door shuts (really fast), ...

The deadly doors of SW always gave me pause. Those doors could get someone
killed the way they shut. They don't seem to have elevator-style or other
discernable safety devices, as we often see characters squicking through. The
DS doors are dangerous enough, but the Cloud City doors appear truely lethal.
Then, there is Jaba's Palace; the doors there could (did) kill a Rancor cold.

Dan Shoham               shoham@ll.mit.edu
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