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From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: HD carb for 'other' motorcyle
Keywords: Carbs
Organization: Bit Herders International
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:05:45 GMT

In article <txd.712248301@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
+paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
+
+>In article <txd.711816291@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
+>+
+>+The Mikuni 40mm on my Sporty came from Mikuni America. Yes, it's a
+>+Japanese design, but the factory and support is in America.
+>+
+>+By the way, they make carbs for a num ber os different bikes, all come
+>+in kits with manifolds and throttles.
+
+>I've been to Mikuni America on a number of occasions.  The carbs are
+>made in Japan.  It is packaged here.  The engineering of making an
+>existing carb "fit" a new product is done here.  They have a dyno
+>and engineers and International sales force here.
+
+Hmmmmm, the pamphlet infers that the carb is US manufactured... Oh
+well, I guess that it'll go with the sliders and brakes.

If you package something here, you can call it "Made in the USA" even
though the bulk of it was done outside the US.

A former friend had this idea of making BIC lighter holders that you
can wear around your neck.  He envisioned starting a new craze & becoming
rich.  So, he had them made up (I forget where, but out of the US).  He
quickly found out that he now had to pay heavy import duties, put a 
"Made in Blah-blah" sticker on it, etc.

So, he bought BIC lighters, stuck them in the holder & up'ed the retail
price to account for the lighter.  He now paid less duties (since it
was not an end product) & did not have to put a sticker on.

Like most of his schemes, it never caught on.

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         Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: sallyg@oregon.uoregon.edu (George, Sally)
Subject: Re: "Harley rider didn't wave"
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:40:23 GMT

In article <mtrost.711999639@convex.convex.com> mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:

>20 minutes ago I was on my way back to work, from  lunch. (actually, I was
>checking out a T-Bird)
>I pulled up to a light next to a Kawasaki something or another. I looked
>over and smiled and said "hey"!
>The dude was cool, and said "nice day for riding"! I agreed and something
>to the effect: unfortunatly, I have to go back to work, and can't be out
>enjoying it...."you gotta pay for these things somehow" I said.
>He: "nice looking Harley" (I was on the Sportster)
>Me: "Thank-you"! I looked over and was about to compliment on his bike,
>but couldn't think of what to say in time. It was in nice shape, and didn't
>have any neon.
>Anyway, the light was about to change, and I could sense his anticipation.
>The light changed, and before I knew it he was a half a block away!!!

>I smiled, pulled in the clutch, kicked it into gear, and cruised on my
>way.....
>A block up, the lady in the cage next to us at the light, looked over at
>me with a big "approving type" smile.

>I think she *knew* what I was about!

>Different strokes, for different folks!!!!!

Great story . . . and Oh, so true!  It's hard to explain to those who 
haven't experienced a Harley . . . on the other hand, who cares, it's
their loss . . .

Sal
t experienced
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Why just HARLEY ? !!!
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:21:51 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Jul28.060305.6752@nuscc.nus.sg>, ccesea@nuscc.nus.sg (See Eng Ann (Mr)) writes:
| 
| Can't understand why there is only one group "alt.motorcycles.harley"
| for motorcycles.  
| 
| I owned not just a harley, but also a Voyager, a GoldWing, a Phaser and
| two Ventura.  I AM A ROAD-RIDER.  I got great things to talk about those
| other GREAT machines besides just the Harley.  

  Well, you're missing rec.motorcycles, but what you want is a group on
heavy bikes, and there isn't one. There also isn't a Harley group
(unless one got created after the last batch of biker bashing). Moreover
there ARE people there who oppose creation of any new groups because
they have broken news readers.

  If you want to create a group in alt, I want you to notice that this
is an alt.motorcycles hierarchy, with room for other bike topics. I got
flamed for doing that when I issued the newgroup, but I was sure there
would be other orphans (like maybe Indian, or Brit bikes, or whatever).

  I regard this group as a success, with low volume, good posts, and
sensible readers. I have nothing agains a group for touring bikes,
that's why the group has this name.
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
	It never ceases to amaze me that otherwise rational people, able to
	understand calculus, compound interest, and the income tax form, can
	continue to believe that poker is a game of chance.
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Restoring 66 (was Harley Shops..)
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John)
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:02:13 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: msus

in #586 : wicks@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Corky Wicks) asks:
>I'm interested in bikes made in 66 if I can find one, otherwise
>any other later year model will do.
>
>How much should I expect to pay for the engine, frame, and transmission
>for a project bike that will require a long term restoration investment?

First, even basket cases are almost impossible to find.  Those opportunities
are disappearing even as I write this.  For perhaps historical trivia, I'll
tell you what I paid.
	
In 1986.  Totally wrecked '56.  Only frame, which was cracked, lower part
of engine (missing cylinders and heads) which needed to be rebuilt, transmission
which was also worn out and the spool for the rear wheel.  $1,800.  I paid
that much because it had a good title.  Oh, yea, and it was covered in chicken
shit.  Today, in this area, a similar (pre 1960) engine/frame with good
title sold last year for $3,000.  Unbelievable.  Last such deal I've heard
of.  Good luck.

>How much should I expect to pay for a restored late model bike? 
>Year 66 or greater.

OK, Minneapolis.  69 FLH, $12,500.  Can you say Rip Off?  Can you say
Yuppie Scum?

Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: The Best
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:32:14 GMT
Reply-To: Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it. 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Jul29.173518.943@msus1.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John) writes:
|> Pooder, speaking in the wrong group says again:
|> . . .  
|>
|>							  Isn't this
|> alt.motorcycles.HARLEY?
|> 
|> . . . 
|> 
|> TAKE IT TO REC.MOTORCYCLES, pooder.
|> 

Ha!  Well, then, *who* started this, I'd like to know?  NOT ME! Who said,
" Just wanted to post to AGAIN say, 'Harvey's the BEST.'?" "George,
Sally", that's who!

Oh.  It was,  "Just wanted to post to AGAIN say, 'Harleys are the BEST.'"??
                                                  ^^^^^^^
Oops.  Nevermind.


Well, someday when I get a round tuit, I'll have e-mail access and a 
Harley sharing my garage space.  Until then I will continue to lurk here.


 Pooder - Rochester, MN - DoD# 0591 (I think) - LotN (Loser of the Number) 
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Quid tibi (est) opiniones aliorum: What do you care what other people think?
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Wanted: 1950's Harley Davidson motorcycle in rideable, restorable condition
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From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: HD carb for 'other' motorcyle
Keywords: Carbs
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:44:51 GMT

paul@phx.mcd.mot.com (Paul Bell) writes:

>In article <1992Jul16.115333.869@msus1.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John) writes:
>>in msg 562 rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Evans) said:
>>>***> Hey before you go...I could use a Harley fix for my bike.
>>>     I want to put an S.U. or similar on it but don't know where
>>>     to start wit da jetting. The bike is a Yamaha XV-1000/RH
>>                        
>>                              If I had any bike with a
>>CV (constant velocity) carb, I'd want to change, too.  I'd not go
>>with an S.U. for that reason.  If you want a good start, try the
>>40mm Delorto slider.  I think Riveria Engineering still sells them.

>How 'bout elaborating about the advantages of different carbs on big twins?
>For example, what does "Constant Velocity" really mean?  What's S.U. ?
>I'd also like to know if Delorto is American-made.
>The only 40mm I'd heard of before is Jap. (Mikuni or Mikuno?)

The Mikuni 40mm on my Sporty came from Mikuni America. Yes, it's a
Japanese design, but the factory and support is in America.

By the way, they make carbs for a num ber os different bikes, all come
in kits with manifolds and throttles.

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Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: The Best
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:16:38 GMT
Reply-To: Pooder@vnet.ibm.com, but I can't receive e-mail, so forget it. 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <sallyg.72@oregon.uoregon.edu>, sallyg@oregon.uoregon.edu (George, Sally) writes:

|> Let's hear about Gretchen!
|> Sal

Ah, yes, Gretchen.  What can one say about Gretchen.  She's young and sweet
and very civilized.  She's quiet and has very nice manners.  She doesn't 
stand out from the crowd in any one area, but she does everything quite well.

She's the sort one would like to be in a long-term relationship with.  Well,
I am, and I will never abandon her for another.  There will be others sharing
the garage space - some whom I desire almost as much - but she will always be
there. 
 
Oh, and her beauty.  What can I say about her beauty?  Words are not enough 
for me to do her beauty justice, as I am no poet, alas.

-- 

    Pooder    -    Rochester,  MN   -   DoD# 0591  (I think)   -  LotN 
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Quid tibi (est) opiniones aliorum: What do you care what other people think?
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   I share garage space with:   Gretchen - '86 K75   Harvey - '72 CB500 
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Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: ccesea@nuscc.nus.sg (See Eng Ann (Mr))
Subject: Why just HARLEY ? !!!
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:03:05 GMT


Can't understand why there is only one group "alt.motorcycles.harley"
for motorcycles.  

I owned not just a harley, but also a Voyager, a GoldWing, a Phaser and
two Ventura.  I AM A ROAD-RIDER.  I got great things to talk about those
other GREAT machines besides just the Harley.  

Any guys/gals out there feel that there should be a new group on just
"alt.motorcycles" so talk about the great adventures of these other
GIANTS.  
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: sallyg@oregon.uoregon.edu (George, Sally)
Subject: Re: The Best
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:35:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.194522.19397@rchland.ibm.com> pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) writes:




>In article <sallyg.62@oregon.uoregon.edu>, sallyg@oregon.uoregon.edu (George, Sally) writes:
>|> Just wanted to post to AGAIN say, "Harvey's the BEST."
>|> 
>|> Sal

>Sal, how nice of you to say so; he'll be so pleased to hear it!

>-- 

>    Pooder    -    Rochester,  MN   -   DoD# 0591  (I think)   -  LotN 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Quid tibi (est) opiniones aliorum: What do you care what other people think?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   I share garage space with:   Gretchen - '86 K75   Harvey - '72 CB500 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

O.K., O.K.  So my finger got on the wrong key (I must admit that was  
stupid).  I'll try again . . . HARLEYS ARE THE BEST!  There, now I feel 
better!!!

Sal
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Why just HARLEY ? !!!
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:15:42 GMT
Organization: Bit Herders International

In article <1992Jul28.060305.6752@nuscc.nus.sg> ccesea@nuscc.nus.sg (See Eng Ann (Mr)) writes:
+
+Can't understand why there is only one group "alt.motorcycles.harley"
+for motorcycles.  
+
+I owned not just a harley, but also a Voyager, a GoldWing, a Phaser and
+two Ventura.  I AM A ROAD-RIDER.  I got great things to talk about those
+other GREAT machines besides just the Harley.  
+
+Any guys/gals out there feel that there should be a new group on just
+"alt.motorcycles" so talk about the great adventures of these other
+GIANTS.  

You are missing quite a bit of life.  There is a group called rec.motorcycles
where you can talk about not only your other bikes, but all aspects of
motorcycling.  

See you there!

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	"David rode in Triumph throughout the land"
		-- Biblical reference to motorcycles
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul D. Blumstein, paulb@tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA, LS/MFT
         Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: HD carb for 'other' motorcyle
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:07:48 GMT
	<txd.712248301@Able.MKT.3Com.Com>
	<1992Jul28.160545.8551@ttinews.tti.com>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: paulb@harley.tti.com's message of 28 Jul 92 16:05:45 GMT

On 28 Jul 92 16:05:45 GMT, paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) and
others wrote about Mikuni 40mm slide carbs.  When I got my '89 Low
Rider, I rode the stock carb for a while.  After putting on the
international sprocket, I felt like something to regain the lost HP
was req'd.  This was the beginning of the carb. wars.  To be fair, I
did a lot to make the engine flow better (branch heads, free flowing
mufflers, bigger cam, etc.).  The idle transfer ports on the stock
carb were drilled out (aka: Joe Minton), and the horsepower gain was
noticable but disappointing.  I had hoped to retain a stock look, so
I tried (in this order):

Screaming Eagle - on loan, I am not sure I ever optimized this one
Mikuni 40 mm smooth bore - see below
S&S Super B - except for leg room, fantastic after jetting it correctly
S&S Super E - solved the leg room problem + added a pump, works great

Back to the Mikuni - the performance was good, but it was a gas PIG!
I got 20 - 25 mpg city and never topped 40.  Then, there was the fuel
flow problem.  The fuel inlet design presumes reasonable head
pressure.  On a Low Rider, with the "tank around the upper frame
member" design, anything less than 1/2 tank would reduce the flow to a
trickle.  Symptom would show up while cruising along at 65 mph+.  The
bike would cough, sputter and die.  Like the float was stuck.
Sometimes it would take a few minutes for the bowl to refill!  The
float moved freely, but the problem kept occuring.

After I lost my patience with the carb and replaced it, I met a Mikuni
engineer.  He told me that the problem was known, and there are w few
things which can be done to solve it.  First, he suggested breaking
off the stop at the bottom of the float bowl.  Letting the float down
further solves the problem.  Another thing he suggested was drilling
the inlet a little deeper.  The vapor lock problem occurs where the
inlet makes a right angle.  This modification prevents it from
happening (but don't go too deep!):

	   hose				  hose
	    V 				    V
	___| |				___| |
	>____|				>__  |
					   |_|
	Stock				Modified

In the meantime, I had dialed in the S&S and had no reason to change
back.  My gas milage is almost back to stock (40/50) and the
performace is fantastic!  Theoretically, the idea behind a slide carb
is a good one.  It make sense that it would deliver better
performance, especially at low engine rpm and perhaps I didn't give it
a fair chance.  Despite that possibility, I will stick with the S&S.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>      "Have you hugged the curves today?"
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.              MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
From: weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: HD carb for 'other' motorcyle
Keywords: Carbs
Date: 23 Jul 92 07:01:06 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <1992Jul17.182521.25555@phx.mcd.mot.com>, paul@phx.mcd.mot.com (Paul Bell) writes:

|> I'd also like to know if Delorto is American-made.

Paul, you should be grateful this is alt.mot.harley, and not rec.mot...

Any Ducati, Cagiva, or Moto Guzzi-rider would have cheerfully and slowly
strangled you to your "deserved" eternal rest...

Dellorto's are just about the most Italian carbs ever made...
Tricky to adjust on BMW R90S (reacts to humidity in air, need to 
change needles everytime...), a HARD return spring to make sure it does
not stick open...
plus LOTS of power...

All hearsay of course, except for the pull of the spring and the power:
Rode an old-style Ducati Hailwood replica 900 once, will never forget...

Konrad Weigl               Tel. +33 93 65 78 63
Projet Pastis              Fax  +33 93 65 76 43
INRIA                      email weigl@sophia.inria.fr
B.P. 93
06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex 
France
From: rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: HD carb for 'other' motorcyle
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:34:53 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake) writes:

>paul@phx.mcd.mot.com (Paul Bell) writes:
>: In article <1992Jul16.115333.869@msus1.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John) writes:
>: >in msg 562 rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Evans) said:
>: >>***> Hey before you go...I could use a Harley fix for my bike.
>: >>     I want to put an S.U. or similar on it but don't know where
>: >>     to start wit da jetting. The bike is a Yamaha XV-1000/RH
>: >                        
>: >  <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Stuff deleted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>: 
>: How 'bout elaborating about the advantages of different carbs on big twins?
>: The only 40mm I'd heard of before is Jap. (Mikuni or Mikuno?)
>Oh, Boy, here we go!
>Delorto/Weber  - Italian
>Solex - German
>SU - British
>Mikuni - Japanese
>Holley - USoA
>There is one basic problem with venturi effect fuel delivery: fuel is
>delivered at a rate proportional to the square of air velocity.  There are
>two basic solns & hence there are two basic types of carb, CV and "conventional"
>: I'm also wondering if anyone has any experience with after-market
>: fuel-injection set-ups for HD.

<<<* Well hey you Harley types...many thanx for all the postings on this
     subject...but I wonder if any of you has any direct experience with
     *alternative* carb set-ups on your big twins that migght enable you
     to *postulate* (hhmmmm) on where I might start. Like maybe your fave
     recommendation as to carby and what you put it on. Although I have to   
     fabricate my own manifold (they don't actually make one do they ? 8->)
     to put it on my XV-1000.RH,I wonder what might be a sound starting point.
     Perhaps a Screaming Eagle jetted for a 1200 Sporty. That kinda thing.
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Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Why just HARLEY ? !!!
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John)
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:10:33 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: msus

ccesea@nuscc.nus.sg (See Eng Ann (Mr)) said in part:
>Can't understand why there is only one group "alt.motorcycles.harley"
>for motorcycles. 

	Mr. See.

Welcome to USENET where there are hundreds of groups and only one,
yes, only one concerned with motorcycling of any kind, HARLEY because
well, you see, there just are not any other motorcycles in the country.

Believe that?  Shocking, isn't it.  I'll bet you were going through
the groups alphabetically.  Keep going down the list.

Now for the truth.  You want "rec.motorcycles", a fully supported
and sanctioned group for motorcycles of all kinds.  
Newsgroups: alt.motorcycles.harley