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From: scg52386@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Anal Retentive Man )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cardinal Fans Caravan
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:16:03 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


>>>>>>* It is said their are very few St. Louis Cardinal fans.  
>>>>>>*
>>>>>>*How many are their out there;  Sign Up  Here!
>>>>>>*
>>>>>>*1> Dan Carpenter
>>>>>>*2> Steve Parvin
>>>>>>*3> Mark Laventhal
>>>>   4> Jeff Wayman -- I'm in Colorado!!
>>>    5> John Petterchak
>> add  6> Aaron Packman
>      7> Tom Durian
       8> Sam Grant

That's right.  There are Cards fans at the UoI, Land of the Confused Cubbies.
Cardinal fans are the few and intellectually elite here.  Of course, Cubs
fans do have the pleasure of having a consistent team (consistently poor!)
Not that the Cubs don't have RAW talent, its just that they need that
talent on the playing field instead of selling Busch in the stands.  And of
course the Cubs have the greatest, most hygienic fans on the face of the
planet.  Why just yesterday I saw a Cubbie fan in the stands with a tatoo
across his bloated belly saying, "I bath weekly."  HOLY COW!!!

					CARDS IN '92
					THAT'S A WINNER!!

					Sam Grant
PS -- How 'bout those Cubbies on their home opener!! Their "great" closer
Macl-walk came in to give up not one, not two, but three walks.  I 
feel REALLY bad about that. (*laughter*)  Cards cleaned in the 12th.
Todd Zeile is a stud!!!!! 3 homers -- 5 five games!!  He's on a
96 homerun season!!!!!!!
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:37:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Need some stat help here on Greatest Players in the 80's/90's
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball, maj1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mark "Beren" Jamison) writes:

> Hi again it's Mark the pseudo stathead.. I'm looking for what players
> the Net thinks have been the best during the era listed.. I'd like to 
> the stats to back it up, you know the raw stats, not OBP or SA, or ERA..

Huh?  "raw" stats?  What could you possibly mean by that?  You'd prefer us to
give you the number of singles, doubles, triples, homers, walks, and plate
appearances?  Or did you mean the "silly" pseudo-stats, like "runs" or "runs
batted in" or "number of pennant winners played for"?

Surely a "pseudo stathead" has the Baseball Encyclopedia or Total Baseball or
something like that to look up "raw" stats with, once we suggest names.

For instance, try looking up "Rickey Henderson", "Jose Canseco", or "Frank
Thomas" (wait until the end of the 90's to gain full apreciation for Frank).

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From: chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHUONG  HAN HSING)
Subject: *** THE TORONTO BLUE JAYS AT DETROIT (game2) ***
Followup-To: chuong@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:59:13 GMT


Probably no surprise to anyone, the Jays took the second game in
the three game series against the 'toothless' Tigers 10-9.

To all those who mailed in support - thanks.  All of you non-believers
will soon learn when the Jays come away with the WS.

The second win by Toronto was pathetic!  Only hours after I suggested
the weakness Toronto had in their bullpen, Detriot ripped open Rick
Trlicek and Tom Henke to make the game interesting.  What the hell;
Tom Henke pitching in the SIXTH!?  Toronto should have blown out the
Tigers, what with an 8-1 lead going into the bottom of the fifth.

Cecil Fielder blasted two homeruns and cashed in six (thank God
he's on my team in the baseball pool) and virtually tore up Stottlemyre
single-handedly.

Even Toronto's adaquate defense was made a mockery of.  With Kelly
Gruber watching a grounder run away and Devon White missing a catch 
which also came back to haunt the Jays.                           

Although Detroit was given enough opportunities to bring the Jays
down, they couldn't do it!  This should be an indicator to others of
how difficult it will similarly be for them to over take us.  

Bring on the Orioles!

Jim 'eat our dust' Chuong
University of Toronto
Faculty of Engineering

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From: fester@etorofu.island.COM ()
Subject: predictions
Originator: fester@etorofu
Organization: Island Graphics, Marin County, California
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:13:40 GMT

Fearless predictions for 1992

AL East

Toronto
Milwaukee
Boston
Detroit
Baltimore
New York
Cleveland

AL West

Texas
Chicago
Minnesota
Oakland
Kansas City
Seattle
California

NL East

Pittsburgh
New York 
Chicago 
St Louis 
Philadelphia 
Montreal 
 
NL West 
 
Atlanta 
Cincinnati 
Los Angeles 
San Francisco 
Houston 
San Diego 


Atlanta meets Toronto for the WS and Atlanta wins in 6.
Mike
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: The Mighty Yankee Machine Rolls On!
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:42:26 GMT

Keep the dream alive!!!

YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: kirsch@cs.utk.edu (Eric Kirsch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: I told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:19:21 GMT
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I think one need only examine how Pittsburgh has treated Sid Bream to 
see that not all players who leave are necessarily hated by the town
they left.  The difference is Bream really did want to stay in 
Pittsburgh but felt that he needed to go elsewhere to ensure financial
security.  Bonilla said he would give Pittsburgh the chance to
sign him first, when along he had no intentions of signing with 
Pittsburgh no matter what they offered. 

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From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Subject: Re: Forget Matt Young
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
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Date: 15 Apr 1992 12:53 EST  

In article <1321@cogsci.ucsd.EDU>, king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU 
     (Jonathan King) writes...

>and included the 1800th inning pitched of his career (and his 7300th
>batter faced, I believe.  Meanwhile, his ERA dips to 2.12, where I
>hope it will remain for the foreseeable future.  As for the Indians, they
>won't win too many this year if they can only manage 1.0 hits per game...

While no-one can take anything away from Clemens, it is clearly not very
scientific or stat-headed to make such a statement about the Indians on 
the basis of *two whole games*.  Quick quiz: name the last team to manage
1.0 hits per game...

RG

"If he can't play for Cleveland, he can't play for us."
 - Al Rosen, on Jerry Browne
From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Hairless Primate Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eckersley NOT better than Fingers
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:35:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucdavis.12244
Organization: "KIRSCH - The Musical!"  [Road Company]

>navarra@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Navarra) writes:
>>(Gary No One Asked *ME* About The Elvis Stamp Huckabay) writes:

>>Yep.  And Eckersley spent more than half his career as a starting pitcher.
>>If Eck had started as a reliever, how do you think the numbers would stack
>>up?
>
>	Um, if Eckersley started off as a relief pitcher he may very well
>not be in baseball today! He SUCKED (with a capital S) as a starting
>pitcher for most of those years.

Gee, Here's a shock.  John Navarra is wrong.


Jonathan King posted Eck's starting numbers.  They were pretty darn
good, actually.  Go back and check them out.  Or, God Forbid, do some
legwork, and actually LOOK SOMETHING UP FOR YOURSELF!  [Aah!  Ooh!]

90% of the legwork on this board is done by 20% of the posters.
Perhaps that's why the statheads don't post as much mindless drivel as
some of other posters.

Agitated?  Me?!

>	Eck had the advantage of a second chance -- something many players
>don't get. Give Rollie a break, he was great, is great and ever shall be
>great.

I NEVER SAID FINGERS WAS BAD!  EVER!  I said this:

Over a five year span, 1987-1991, Dennis Eckersley is the most
effective reliever in baseball history.

WHICH WORDS DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!  I'LL TYPE THEM SLOWLY!

All you have to do is find a comparable five-year span for another
reliever that's better, and you'll disprove my statement.  It's called
discussion with evidence.

I've looked at this pretty thoroughly.  Maybe someone can present me
and the net with some ALTERNATIVES, rather than just "No way, Dude!"

Very seldom did Plato or Aristotle, or even John Kenneth Galbraith,
use this "No Way, Dude!" tactic of debate and discussion.


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From: jtg@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (joel.t.glomski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: JACK-PAC, early leader?
Keywords: Cubs, Ken Patterson, dingers
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:56:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsc.1992Apr9.135600.9406
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In his Cub debut, Ken Patterson's first pitch to Wes Chamberlain
ended up 395 feet away over the left-center field fence. By the
time he was done (2/3 of an inning), Kenny had allowed 2 more
dingers for a fine 4.5 home run per inning average. Does the
BB DDD institute rate this performance as one of the all time
best?

Joel
From: al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Fred McGriff
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:48:51 GMT
	<1992Apr15.203505.29873@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>
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Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 15-Apr-92 Re: Fred McGriff
John Navarra@casbah.acns (3863)

> 	I agree that their 'primary' goal is the same -- to help win games.
> But, Grace and McGriff do not have the same talents so they have to
> accomplish this goal in different ways. McGriff is a power hitter and
> an RBI man. Grace is NOT a power hitter, he is a pure hitter (and that is
> what I meant when I said he had a better swing than McGriff). Grace, like


What are you talking about?  They may have the same primary goal to help
win games, but McGriff helps win more games than Grace does and by a
longshot.  Put it this way:  If Fred McGriff replaced Mark Grace in the
Cubs lineup, the Cubs would score a hell of a lot more runs.  McGriff
has a higher OBA and a much higher SLG that Grace.  It is not even
close.  Grace is not a good player.  The Cubs are below average at first
base in the national league - regardless of his textbook swing.
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Wall St Journal Article
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:21:38 GMT

In article <ku36t7INNif3@cronkite> andy@misha.central.sun.com writes:
>In todays (4/7/92) Wall Street Journal,  the front page has a very 
>interesting article on the first baseball prospect to be signed out 
>of Russia.  He is a 23 year old lefty pitcher,  tall & lanky.  He
>was signed by the Angels,  with a whopping $1500 signing bonus.  He
>did not even know what a contract was.   It will eb interesting to 
>see if he pans out.  BTW,  the scout who picked him was the same scout to 
>sign Ozzie Smith, Tony Gwynn, and Jim Abbott.

Well, if the Russian is only the fourth player this scout has ever
signed, I'll be much more impressed about his chances.  Odds are this
scout has signed several dozen other players who never made it.  (And
Abbott pitched for the American team and in college, both with national
publicity -- it wasn't like the Angels discovered this guy out of
nowhere.)

No flames intended.
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From: "russell tisseman" <russell.tisseman@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: where's gaston
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:55:17 EST
Reply-To: "russell tisseman" <russell.tisseman@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

I watched the battle of the two unbeaten teams on TV last night (TORONTO
& NEW YORK) and I don't understand Cito Gaston's reasoning. Last year
Cito used his bullpen admirably, taking out his starters frequently to
use his talented bullpen. So far this year Morris has thrown a complete
game opening day victory. And last night Todd Stottlemyre comes out for
the 9th inning in a 2-2 tie.

Well I guess that's okay, but after he gets the leadoff batter, Roberto
Kelly singles to left. So why not use the bullpen, Stottlemyre is not
used to pitching complete games (5 in 4 years). Last season Todd would
have been out of the ballgame. Stottlemyre then gives up an rbi double
to Mel Hall. Still no sign of Cito. And to round out the inning
Tartabull homers. Final 5-2 Yankees.

As far as I am concerned the bullpen is there for a reason, so why not
use them. And that ends my gripe for this week.

Russel Tisseman
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From: skitchen@pica.army.mil (D. Scott Kitchen (CCAC) <skitchen>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Elster to DL?????
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:55:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.S. Army ARDEC, Dover NJ

In article <1992Apr15.072440.24066@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.040049.4911@pica.army.mil> skitchen@pica.army.mil (D. Scott Kitchen (CCAC) <skitchen>) writes:
>>Well, I wish I could say I knew what was going to happen to Elster
>>(he's on one of my rotisserie teams, so I have a bit of a stake in
>>his future :), but I honestly don't know.  Tonight, Schofield
>>started for the Mets after arriving only 20 minutes before game
>>time.  And Pecota started at third, so it looks like they're going
>>with defense until the bats heat some.
>
>And I have to say that I don't understand this trade at all.  Not that
>Julio Valera is going to be great or anything, but why would you trade
>him for Schofield?  This seems to be just like the Charlie O'Brien trade 
>-- trading a pitching prospect for an almost useless player that you could 
>get for free.  I mean, Alvaro Espinoza was just released; he's available
>for nothing.  Why would you give up a pitcher to get Schofield, when
>Espinoza is almost as good (bad)?  If you're going to make a trade, pick 
>up a prospect or a GOOD veteran; not Dick Schofield.

The problem is that the Mets didn't think Valera was a prospect any more.
He tried his best to fill in in '90 when he was called up late, but last
year he showed up at spring training about 40 or so pounds overweight and
finished with a mediocre 10-10 at AAA Tidewater.

If I had to make trades for the Mets I wouldn't have made this one either.
Pecota would take the majority of starts at short until Elster's arm was
healthy.  Magadan could start at third.  No haste, no waste, and Valera's
still around if any of the starting 5 go down (Schourek would come up first,
but who's counting?).

Oh well...at least they won last night.  And Schofield's 3 for 7.

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From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: '92 Cubs lineup
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:36:17 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <ku08bvINN73s@aludra.usc.edu> dittrich@aludra.usc.edu (MotrinMan) writes:
>According to Lefevbre on the annual preseason WGN Cubs/Sox special Sunday,
>Grace will bat 5th, and Sosa 2nd.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha (*choke*, gasp)...

Sammy ".240 OBP" Sosa bats second, while Mark "Only OBP on the team" Grace
bats fifth.  Absolutely pathetic (and therefore in the best Cubs' tradition).

>Projected opening day lineup:
>
>1) Dunston (will lead off until Walton comes back)

Hee hee (snort, chortle).

April Fools' Day was last week, but LeFeeble seems to have had a few
saved up...

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From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Zeile does it again.
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:37:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: uxa.1992Apr10.193732.2376
Organization: Educational Computing Network

St. Louis  1     6th  

Chicago    1      
   
Zeile  ties game with HR. (3)

Go Redbirds

Dan
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: More on errors and hits
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:21:42 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr6.225111.14611@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>This was done in part to explore the notion that giving up an error was
>worse than giving up a hit because of the psychological effect on the
>pitcher.  Another motivating factor was the usual sportscaster's lament about
>how awful it is to give up a leadoff walk (as if you'd rather do *anything*
>than give up a leadoff walk).   

This is interesting. Your numbers back up common sense: Getting on
first base to start the inning by any means accomplishes the same
thing, and doesn't affect strategy in the least. Yet I have heard
Jim Rooker cry a thousand times "How many times does that leadoff
walk come back to haunt you?". The bottom line is the PERCEPTION
that by giving up a walk or an error, you gave something away didn't
have to, but a base hit is something the batter "earned." In many
cases, it takes more skill and patience for the batter to wait out
a walk, than to hit a good pitch for a single. Yet another reason
to not listen to Jim Rooker....

 -Ken Mitchum 
 km@cs.pitt.edu
From: skitchen@pica.army.mil (D. Scott Kitchen (CCAC) <skitchen>)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ????? Mookie Wilson
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:48:28 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army ARDEC, Dover NJ

In article <11435@mindlink.bc.ca> Rainer_Hauer@mindlink.bc.ca (Rainer Hauer) writes:
>Does anyone know what happened to Mookie Wilson " X Jay "? Did he go back to
>the Mets? I think  he had a life time contract with them.

Mookie was traded to the Angels for Dave Gallagher over the break.  As far
as I knew, Mookie was still on the Angels' roster, but in looking at
yesterday's stats, he hasn't gotten to play yet.  Where'd he go?


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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:27:37 -0400 
From: Michael Scott Neiberg <mn1s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: MATT YOUNG TOSSES NO-HITTER, LOSES 2-1

I had the pleasure of seeing both Young's no-no this weekend and also
Wilson Alvarez' no-no in Baltimore last August in person.  Yesterday's
was weird.  The Tribe fans (of which I am not one) were not really sure
what was going on and I think they were simply ecstatic to win. 
Alvarez' was much more exciting to attend becuase the fans got behind
him around the 7th inning and the excitement really built up.  At times
I felt that only about 1/4 of the stadium knew what was going on
yesterday.  Maybe it was just my section.  Anyone else out there attend
yesterday?

Michael Neiberg

Carnegie Mellon

"Still frozen from yesterday's game"
From: IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Most likely to lose NO-Hitters
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:44:46 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Hold on for a second! Roger Clemens hasn't had his share of bad luck with
no-hitters? Clemens has never had a no-hitter in his career. He's had about
a half dozen 2-hitters, but he's never come close to a no-hitter. You can't
expect him to pitch one anyway, considering the fact that he is so accurate.
From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Overshadowed By Fate Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: '92 Cubs lineup
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:12:08 GMT
Organization: Bob Gajarsky Wallet Losing Society

(MotrinMan) writes:
>1) Dunston (will lead off until Walton comes back)
>2) Sosa
>3) Sandberg
>4) Dawson
>5) Grace (let's hope he responds to this position better than he did the #2)
>6) Dwight Smith (& co.)
>7) Girardi (Wilkins)
>8) Scott (.321 in spring training... hope he makes a better showing than last 
>            year in the bigs.  I understand he played few enough games last
>            year to still qualify for rookie of year in '92... confirmation
>            please?)

You've GOT to be kidding.  LeFebvre never showed any signs of being a
major league manager while *I* watched him, but I didn't think that
even Brian Stromblad could come up with THIS lineup.  Dunston hitting
leadoff?  Sosa second?  

This has GOT to be some sort of sick joke.  NO ONE is this stupid.  Is
LeFebvvvvvvvvre really going to do this?  (Note: all Vs are silent.)

If you HAVE to play only those players listed above, how about:

1.  Grace
2.  Smith
3.  Sandberg

At this point, I shoot the GM.  But if I have to continue...

4.  Sosa
5.  Dawson
6.  Scott
7.  Dunstiff
8.  The lame-hitting catcher du jour.

Good lord.  We had the Tiger watch...  How about a Cubs .300 OBP
watch?


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