From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Leonid--the new Sven!
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:26:12 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1993Jan3.013408.27978@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants) writes:
> In article <1993Jan2.191214.785@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>>In article <1993Jan2.224925.26446@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, frants@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Leonid Frants) writes:
>>> 
>>> Well you are wrong here - I represent the collective conscience of
>>> r.g.c. (right guys?). My viewpoint, which you are you too slow to
>>
>>Hmmm....but other people have been posting that your line of posts are clearly
>>not proper.
>>
> 
> Because the other people are too nice to morons like you, while I have
> very little tolerance for them.

Actually, those people were not posting in my favor, they were posting against
your ad homomin attacks.

Better go back and rethink you logic, they were posting AGAINST you.

But, I suppose if they are against your well-structered debate, they must be
morons too.

You know, it must be so nice to live a world as simple as yours. You are right
and everyone else is wrong and if they point out where you are wrong, you call
them names and run away from the issues.


> 
>>Maybe you really represent the collective conscience of the terminally
>>unconscious...
>>
> 
> Yeah, right. I hear the subconscious voice of Don Wedding - well
> actually not so subconscious...
> 

Still can't read who you're writing to yet, 'eh? What a shame.

> 
> 
>>> notice despite any lack of ambiguity on my side, is that you are a
>>> dweeb and jerk (whose real name is Don Wedding - and I do not give a
>>> shit if all the GM's of the world think otherwise).
>>
>>Sorry Dude. My name, as I have pointed out to others with your lack of 
>>IQ, is Darrell M. Crosgrove. If you don't believe it, look at my userstring.
>>Notice how it reads DCROSGR, and Mr. Wedding's reads DWEDDIN. Notice that the
>>system here uses your first initial and the first six of your last name.
>>
>>Please, read WHO you are posting to before you post. (I realize that maybe you
>>needed someone else to read this to you, and they got it worng, so I'll give
>>you the benefit of the doubt that this was an honset error.)
>>
> 
> No error at all. The account is in the name of DCROSGR but the poster
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
de-lu-sion n. 1. a deluding or being deluded  2. a false belief, specif. one
that persists psychotically.

You know Leonid, you have to admit your sickness to yourself before you can get
better...

> is Don Wedding.

I really don't know if you are playing  a joke here or are really deluding
yourself into believing there is only one person.

Well, this is going to come as a surprise to you, but Mr. Wedding is not the
only person who can make mincemeat out of a crybaby like you. I am doing it as
well, and I am certain most of the readers on here can do the same.

You even make Sven look like a master of logic.

We are not all Don Wedding.

But, my disbelief that anyone could be a stupid as you are pretending to be
makes me think perhaps you have an ulterior motive for claiming we are one
in the same. Perhaps you think that if you repeat the same lie (I and Don
Wedding are the same person) over and over, other people will believe we are
the same person. Maybe you think that willl discredit both he and I?

Well, let me snuff the life out of your delusions of achieving anything better
than getting your face kicked in repeatedly:

Suppose Don Wedding and I really are the same person. (Everyone else: We are
not, but it is sometimes best to humor these borderline schizos for a while.
Now, don't tell Loenid, as he may become even more unglued!) Even if we
are the same person, does that mean that the laws we/I bring up are now void?
Do the questions we/I ask suddenly become answered in the way that you wish?
Even if we were one and the same, would YOU be any less of a real
idiot?

Nope.

Might want to try another attack, because this one is not going to win a single
point for you...

(I realize you are kinda weak in the offensive abilities when it comes to
debate, but no one said life is fair!)

>                  Of course with you reputation here you claim that
> it is beyond your intelligence how this can be achieved people will
> easily believe you.

Please write in complete sentences, and not run-on fragments.

> 
>>>>Or are you just one of those whiners who sit back and bitch?
>>> 
>>> I do not whine or bitch - I state that that you are an IDIOT - I never
>>> asked you not to be one. I am too wise to hope for an impossible.
>>
>>Ahh...you have stated a position. Something which I am sure you have the
>>ability to justify or defend.
>>
>>Please, state your valid reasons for believing I am an idiot, and make sure
>>they are factual reasons.
>>
> 
> What, me argue with an idiot? Never! Just insult them for public
> pleasure - this will justify their existence in this world.

Excuse me, but what planet did you say you were from?

> 
>>
>>Oh, one more thing Loenid, one of the drawbacks about mounting a personal
>>attack is that someone, like myself, might very well ask you to give reasons
>>for what you have said. 
>>
>>You now are in the position of either coming up with a mature statement,
>>founded in good logic and solid facts, as to why you believe I am an idiot and
>>can barely learn how to move a knight, or you get to rant and rave, much like
>>Sven is, while people watch you yell and scream like a spoiled child. Since you
>>have access to internet, I would hope you have the skills to avoid the
>>spoiled child situation.
>>
> 
>>Do tell Leonid, aside from the fact you can't stand me, WHAT is wrong with the
>>poisitions I have posited here? Anything factually wrong? Any analogiees which
>>you believe are invalid?
>>
>>Please, we are all waiting for the fount of your wisdom to flow freely, that we
>>may all drink.
>>
>>DMC
>>
>>PS. Five bucks says he can't do it!
>>
> 
> All right, if you insist here you are. You are an IDIOT for either one
> or most likely both of the following:
> 
> 1. Genetic reasons.
> 2. Environmental reasons.

Bad news Leonid, you still haven't stated what in my posts, besides your
dislike of me, makes you able to claim I am an idiot.

I realize for someone with your limited logic, knowledge, and rhetorical
skills, taking on me in anything other than a name-calling contest is
foolhardy--I'll beat you everytime. 

And you know it.

So you don't state your facts any better than a seventh-grader would.

Perchance you don't have any real reasons for what you say?

Perhaps you are just a frustrated bully, who lacks the courage to be a real man
and stand up and fight for himself. Your ideas, are at best, unstructured. You
have no facts to back up any of your far-fetched claims, and lack the
intellegence, or even personal values, to change and grow beyond what you are.

Ah Leonid, don't you understand that in this world we either struggle for truth
and grow beyond what we are, or we stagnate. If you don't take the opportunity
now, to reach out and make those first few faltering steps towards adulthood,
you might never grow into a mature, repsonsible adult. You might be forever
stuck acting like a child in a world of adults. People will not listen to you
even when you are right because you act like you are wrong. 

You Leonid, are the coward who refuses to get into the ring of public debate.
You stand on the sidelines and shout insults, and try to act 'tuff'.

Haven't you figured it out Leonid? I ENJOY it when people like you and Sven
come in throwing your temper-tantrums. I let you rant and rave for an exchange
or two, make you commit yourself to a really lame name-calling session, and
then point out not just the weaknesses in your arguments, but your PERSONAL
weaknesses. I am now not just limited to trouncing your opinions; I get to
pound on YOU as well.

Look at what you've been suckered into Leonid--you have commited yourself to
being in the fight, and you don't have the ability to fight. I am going stand
here in the public spotlight and repeatedly point out to everyone just how weak
your views and ability to argue are.

ALL you have is name-calling. That's it! You have not posted a single thing
based in reality. The logic behind your entire posting can be reduced down to:

"It is becuse I said so. SO there!"

> 
> Leonid Frants.
> 
> 
> P.S> I will relax for awhile as can feel any day now I may mount a
> personal attack on this twerp.
> 

Please, Leonid, complete sentences! This is run on between a sentence and a
fragment!

DO learn some sytax skills during your rest!

AND the use of commas.