HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wondertr@fraser.sfu.ca (wondertree learning center)
Subject: Re: Where the mac really wins
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:32:39 GMT

arsouth@watson.ibm.com (Andrew R. Southwick) writes:

>In <BzBLnq.1G0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>>In article <ibhan.723754723@husc10> ibhan@husc10.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan) writes:
>>>I've
>>>never seen a lock on the menu bar.  This just proves you don't know much
>>>about the Mac.  Why don't you learn how to use one, use one for a while,
>>>and then get back to us with a valid opinion.
>>
>>I'm beginning to wonder how often _you_ use macs. You've never seen the 
>>tiny little padlock on the window bar? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

>I'm not beginning to wonder how often Iskandar here uses Macs, I think I 
>know.
>There is a difference between the menu bar and the window bar.  Like there 
>is no window bar- it's known as the title bar, and it does not (normally) 
>have any menus hanging off it.
>Yes, that tiny little padlock hangs on document windows, not up in the menu 
>bar.

>Could you contain yourself to posting less than 20 messages a day?  If you 
>want to say that much, could you put it in fewer notes? 

>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala

>"The 1980's were the me generation. The 1990's are the me-too generation."
>                               - G. Donald Moncreaff
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>My views are my own; behaviorists can stick THAT up their ***!
>Andrew R. Southwick


Well I find this all very interesting - these discussions...
The lock in question appears on the menu in Hypercard (at least) 
when either the stack is of an older version, or is located on a CD-ROM...

TED

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From: filo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Filo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.linux
Subject: Looking for video board recommendations
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:58:05 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

First of all, is there an FAQ that deals specificly with video hardware for
pc clones? I've been watching the net for some time now, and have yet to see
such a beast, but maybe I just missed it.  

I'm in the market for a 486 machine, with plans to run Linux and X, and
have a few questions, mainly concerning video boards.  What I have in mind
is a local bus system, hopefully a dx2-66, to be used primarily for
software development.  Two vendors that I'm currently looking at are Gateway
and Zeos.  The Gateway comes with the ATI Ultra Pro, and the Zeos has a
Local Bus Viper or something like that.  Does anyone have experience,
good, bad, or otherwise, (aside from the fact that the Zeos dx2-66
machines don't seem to be shipping) with a similar machine from either
of these companies.

It seems to me (please correct me if I'm wrong) that the most popular
video boards use either the MACH 32,  the S3, or the Wietek (sp?) 9000 chips. 

Questions:
  o Does XFree86 (which is what Linux uses right?) have support
    for all of these?

  o Are there any boards I should avoid due to lack of support
    (other than Diamond, which I've already heard about).

  o Can anyone provide me with or point me to benchmark info on these cards
    under Linux/X?  What I would really like to see are Xstone ratings on a 
    486DX2-66.  I've seen WinMarks on most of these cards.  Is it safe to assume
    that if Machine A does twice as many WinMarks as Machine B, then Machine A
    will do ~twice as many Xstones as Machine B?  And finally, do Xstones
    provide a reasonable measure of real world X performance, or is this
    benchmark about as meaningless as drystones?

Nearly all of my unix experience has been on sparc 2's.  My biggest fear
is shelling out all this dough for a 486, only to find it to be a real
dog compared to what I'm used to.  Especially now with the microSparc's becoming
competitive pricewise.
Does anyone care to comment on the performance of sparc2 vs. 486dx2-66?

Also, any general comments and recommendations on 486/Linux/X systems that would
help me decide what system to buy would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
John Filo
filo@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: High pitch squeal with Speedstar 24x and NEC 4FG
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.130035.19169@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> dmoyer@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dan Moyer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.115338.9383@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>>In article <76837@hydra.gatech.EDU> dsrekrg@prism.gatech.EDU (Rob Gibson) writes:
>>>I am running a 24x with a 4FG and get an unnerving squeal similar and slightly
>>>louder than  a TV set when using the 72 Hz refresh modes. 
>>>Thisiis especially noticeable when going to a full-screen DOS session from 
>>>Windows and back. 
>>>Is that just the way it is with the 4FG?
>>
>>It's not likely that a monitor or video card makes the noise because none of
>>them have speakers. However, the intermodulation of frequencies inside PC
>>may cause PC's sounding devices to make noise. Two possible sources of noise
>>are PC's speaker and modem.
>>
>>It could be the problem of modem. Disconnect the modem to see if the noise
>>still exists. My PC used to sqeal before I replaced the cheap modem with
>>a better one.
>
>I disagree with Chien-Chung Chen's posting.  It most likely is the monitor
>making the noise, just like a TV set.   The horizontal refresh rate on 
>a standard TV is 15,750 hz, I think.   I can hear that quit well from across thre
>room when a television is turned on and the sound is off.   The sound I believe
>comes from the flyback coil oscillating.   Similar to the hum you can hear
>at 60hz from different transformers, like in flourescent lights.
>I think there are three things you can do:
>1) try a different monitor
>2) turn on a stereo to drown out the monitor noise
>3) put on a pair of headphones.

Well, I think I was wrong saying that the monitor couldn't make noise.
I spoke from my experience that a modem could squeal just like what
Rob described.

I think it's easy to check if it's the monitor's problem--turn off
the monitor while keep the computer running. If the squealing noise
disappears, then I was wrong. Otherwise, it might be the modem or
PC's speaker that makes the noise.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
From: dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Need AutoCAD drivers for ATI VGA Wonder card
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:09:22 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

I have an older ATI VGA Wonder card I inherited without any support
software.  I'm looking for a source of drivers for this card, particularly
AutoCAD.

Please email any responses.

Thanks!


Without change,                         *David Barber*
   nothing can ever get better.            @}-->----

UUCP: ucsd!crash!dbarber
INET: dbarber@crash.cts.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer,comp.os.ms-dos.programmer
From: kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov (christopher kushmerick)
Subject: 32 bit programming. 
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:34:58 GMT

Could someone please drop me a quick note and tell me what the deal is
with "32-bit" programming on 80n86 machines?

My understanding is that all of these cpus have segment based adressing
as far as the instruction set goes. Thus you get problems such as
a 64K limit on mem allocs in many programming language compiler
implementations.

But now I hear about OS/2 ver 2, windows NT and some compilers that do 
32-bit programming. What does this mean?

And I hear of pascal compilers that allow you to allocate contiguos
chunks of memory that are arbitrary in size.

thanks

-- 
Chris Kushmerick
kushmer@bnlux1.bnl.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: robl@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Rob Laddish)
Subject: Sony Mini CD or Philips DCC format for computer DATA?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:03:17 GMT
Organization: Division of the month club
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

In the last issue of EE times there were 2 articles side by side that talked
about the sony 3.5" M.O. drive, and the sony 3.5" mini CD format. I believe
the sony mini CD article stated that it put all the information on a ~128MB
drive which was the same specs for the MO drive. I don't know if the 2 drives
are the same, but it would be my guess that they are.

It also stated that the mini CD format used a fairly complicated compression
technique similar to the DCC one. It ignores sounds that it believes are
inaudible as well as quiet sounds that are masked by larger ones. I think
the compression is proprietary, and by no means simple.

The mini-CD may suck compared to regular CD's, but is better than tape IMHO.
Hopefully it will take on in a big way - this would drive the cost of the
3.5" MO drive down as well.

Robl
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From: donp@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Don Pettengill [CT R+D])
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:36:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: ZEOS 486DX2-xx systems just don't ship
Organization: The Land of Nod
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

And I finally have my 486SX-25.

Thank you, Zeos.

don pettengill
From: cbusch@ub.d.umn.edu (Chris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Please...
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:18:01 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu


    I beg all of you to stop the useless flame-fest that has 
resulted from the mac vs ibm vs amiga vs whatever contraversy.  
Please stop this.  It has became extremely annoying.


Stop it.









Seriously, stop it.

















For the last time stop it.
From: hkhauv@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: in-2000
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Date: 18 Dec 92 07:27:59 GMT


Does anyone have IN-2000 SCSI controller by Adaptec?  Could you please
tell me the meaning of the dip switches on the board?  Thanks.
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 486SLC chip.... what it it?
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:17:10 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <Bz89I7.23u@hfglobe.intel.com> sting@hfglobe.intel.com (Joe Bennett) writes:
>
>As for why the 486SLC by Cyrix will not run NeXTStep, I think
>something should be considered:
>
>NeXTStep is the first, to the best of my knowledge, 32 bit
>anything for the general PC market since Cyrix and AMD started
>their clone operations.  I don't believe that Cyrix could have
>possibly tested 32 bit stuff adequately, because there was very
>little of it out there, and they were aiming for the entry level
>market as well.

  How convenient that the best of your knowlege is completely divorced
from reality. Of course I'm sure you weren't spreading this bilge to
scare people off a competitor's product...

  32 software has been available since xenix/386 shipped, about 1987,
and that was the program which found many of the bugs in the genuine
*Intel inside*(tm) processors. Actually it may be that the reason you
need a real Intel processor is that the software is looking for the
POPAD bug, which seems to be present in only genuine Intel processors.

  It is probably going to be a real shock that the "use 32 bit code"
switch in Windows3.1 (gasp) uses 32 bit code too.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    Keyboard controller has been disabled, press F1 to continue.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Matrox Impression TrueColor video card ?
From: djlewis@ualr.edu
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:25:26 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <1992Dec12.092649.10814@plx.com>, thomas@plxsun (Thomas Leibold) writes:
> I have been looking for an affordable truecolor video card for some time now
> and came pretty close to buying the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro (800x600x24bit).
> However I found now advertising for the following card:
> 
> Matrox Impression 1024
> 24-bit TrueColor card
> 1024x768x24bit
> 3MB VRAM
> S3 Chip
> $655
> 
> I have never heard the name Matrox before and would like to know if anyone
> else did. If you do please mail me a short description of your experiences
> with Matrox. 
> 
> I would also appreciate any other information about 24bit TrueColor cards under
> $1000 with a resolution of at least 800x600.
> 
> Thanks
> 	Thomas
> 
> --
> Thomas Leibold   +1-408-7434388   thomas@plx.com   {uupsi,sun}!plx!thomas
> PLEXUS Software, a division of REI. 1310 Chesapeake Terrace, Sunnyvale CA 94089

The latest BYTE has a an excellent review of 24bit truecolour cards, MATROX
included. 
	Where did you find it for 655.00
don lewis
djlewis@ualr.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Rubbish
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:33:53 GMT

In <1992Dec15.165108.1521@cs.unca.edu> boyd@cs.unca.edu (Mark Boyd) writes:

>Is "rubbish" the new buzz word used by folks who don't have the
>foggiest idea what they are talking about? What with "is AMD rubbish"
>and "are Cache-controllers rubbish", I may just have to put that word
>in my kill file. 

Are people who overuse/abuse the word 'rubbish' rubbish?  ;-)

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: hardgrov@pilot.njin.net (Roy Hardgrove)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: The Best system!
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:42:51 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In my original post, I wrote [the multiboard]
>>>reaches the best new solution:  The DX2-100 will be readily
>>>installable on the multiboard since it is configured to handle the
>>>Intel 486DX-50 chip.

and a reply offered the following:
>>There won't be a DX2-100. Too hot. Forget 50Mhz motherboards, you
>>don't need them. Go directly to 66-DX2 with a 33Mhz board.

Carl at cayman.com responds:
>Then why is IBM going to produce a DX3 - 99 mhz internal and 33 mhz
>external???  Blanket statements like "Too hot" are misleading.  A more
>accurate statement is "Too hot with the current design".

>-Carl-


Thank you for addressing a point that I felt was tacit in my orignal
post.  It is true that at present, the DX2-100 is not able to be
implemented.  It is also true, as you have pointed out, that the quest
for speed will always be a consuming part of the micro business.  The
exploration of a DX3-99 chip by the IBM group should abolish in
everyones mind the infeasibility due to current constraints:  heat,
FCC, etc.  I remember when everyone thought the 486-50  would never
make to the desktop without an "ice cap".  Yet here we are in the day
when you can procure the DX2-66!  The impossibility of a current
concept is not transcendant with respect to time, so long as there are
people of vision and character, possessing the committment and
fortitude to manifest their genius on the world.

Merry Christmas,


Roy F. Hardgrove
-----------------
"Is it not possible that an individual may be right and a government
wrong?  Are laws to be enforced simply because they were made? or
declared by any number of men to be good, if they are NOT good?"
				-Henry David Thoreau
				"A Plea for Captain John Brown"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Info for 1280x1024 non-interlaced 2MB VGA card 
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:32:32 GMT

Well, I use to own the Micronics MVC4000LB video adapter for VL-BUS
system boards.  It can do 1280x1024x16 colours.  I'm not sure if this
is non-interlaced or interlaced.  I think it would be best to assume
it is interlaced.  The card is fast for regular VGA and text.
Landmark 2.0's video speed gave me over 16,000 characters per
millisecond.  Of course since when has text speed been a problem.  The
Micronics MVC8000LB video adapter (ATI Mach 32) only gives me a little
bit over 6000 characters per second on the same machine.
 
Picture quality is important though.  Simply put the Tseng looks
really fuzzy compared to the ATI for regular text as well as graphics.
I have a crappy 60hz Aamazing NI monitor and the picture with the ATI
looks better on this than a more expensive and better quality
Viewsonic 5E with a Tseng.
From: luis@mavrick.UUCP (luis basto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: AMD rubbish????
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:52:52 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

LGV/MC (gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
: For price, buy 386DX-40.
: For speed, buy 486SX-25 or 33.

: gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU

If I look at ten clients, 9 of them would go for price and one for
performance. It's unfortunate but true. Most people just look at the 
bottom line. The tenth person is either a developer/programmer, or 
wants to run some flavor of *nix, OS/2, and soon NT.
--
Luis Basto                                 | You can't have everything...
Internet: basto@cactus.org                 | where would you put it?
Usenet:   ...cs.utexas.edu!mavrick!luis    |          -- Steven Wright
From: wdarden@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (Bill Darden <wdarden>)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 3-chip vs 9-chip SIMMs?
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:03:09 GMT
Reply-To: wdarden@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (Bill Darden)
Organization: Northrop Research & Technology Center, Palos Verdes, CA

In article <1gm7hbINNk3v@agate.berkeley.edu> shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy) writes:
>> >Which is the older technology: 3-chip SIMMs or 9-chip SIMMs?  My PC
>> >takes 3-chip SIMMs, and I have noticed that 9-chip SIMMs are far more
>> >easily available in the marketplace.  Are 3-chip SIMMs an older
>> >technology, and likely to disappear from the market in the near
>> >future?  Or are they simply newer, and not as widespread yet in the market?
>> >
>> >Are 3-chip SIMMs incompatible with 9-chip SIMMs?
>
>from the timeline of my life and my near-never-ending-search-for-the-right-
>simms, i would say that the 9 chips are older...
>
Stuff deleted
>
>i have 4 1 meg 9 chip simms and 8 1 meg 3 chips (all 70 ns)
>and all 9 chip in their own bank 3 chips in their own bank...
>if you mix them in teh same bank, you might run into problems...
>
More stuff deleted

For my two cents.....

Three chip SIMMs (and SIPs) are less expensive to manufacture than
their nine chip brothers; hence, that is what the stores are selling
to maintain their margins.  The real question is if your motherboard
will support the three chip version?

An example.....

Three chip 256K SIMMs use two 44256 (4x256 = 1 Mbit) chips and one
41256 (1x256 Kbit) chip to make up the 256K x 9 bits.  Four of these
puppies will give you 1 MByte of RAM.  As a general rule, if your
motherboard will support 1 Mbit (1x1024) chips, it will refresh the
4x256 (1 Mbit) chips.  The same rule generally holds for using larger
chips.  

I agree that it is not a good idea mixing SIMM (or SIP) types or
speeds within a bank because of the memory interleaving within a bank
or between banks.  IMHO, the trade off is less heat and power
requirements for the three chip versions vs. flexibility from
motherboard to motherboad for the nine chip versions.  I prefer nine
chip SIMMs or SIPs.  BTW, a SIP is a SIMM with pins.

Regards,

BiLL.....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: it1@ra.msstate.edu (Tim Tsai)
Subject: problem with Mitsumi 3.5" floppy drive
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:27:34 GMT

  I recently picked up a Mitsumi 3.5" floppy drive at a trade show (new)
but am having problems with it.  It formats and reads high density disks
OK, but it can't read disks formatted by other drives.  I suspect it's
an alignment problem but I hear that these new drives are now aligned
on the software?  There are some jumpers on the drive but I have no idea
what they mean.  The jumpers are labeled (0,1,2) [I guess this is the
drive number], (L1, H1, H0) and (L0).  Any ideas?  Also, can somebody
help me with decoding the jumper labels?  The drive selection label
looks like this:
             ___
            _|0|_
           |1   2|
            -----

  but the actual jumpers are in the traditional row format -> ::
Which pins would I jumper if I want to set it to drive 0, for example?

  Thanks..

  Tim
From: aron@luxor.ced.berkeley.edu (aron bonar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Orchid VL bus video?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:09:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: luxor.ced.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec11.032619.16966@leland.Stanford.EDU>, stankus@leland.Stanford.EDU (John J. Stankus) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec10.215405.16371@colorado.edu> dbeeman@dogstar.Colorado.edu (Dave Beeman) writes:
|> >I heard that Orchid was due to release a VL bus version of their local
|> >bus windows accelerator card in October.  Can someone tell me if it is now
|> >available and give me a few details?  Other than being local bus, does it
|> >have any advantages over the original Farenheit 1280 card.  (Like higher
|> >refresh rates at 1280x1024?)  Does it use the S3 chip?  What version?
|> >Who sells it?
|> >
|> >Thanks - Dave Beeman - dbeeman@dogstar.colorado.edu
|> 
|> 
|> The card is the Orchid Fahrenheit VA/VLB.  It just hit the stores(well at
|> least the first store I could find that had it in the bay area) on Tuesday
|> of this week.  This is a vesa local bus version of their ISA card.  I don't
|> remember what the refresh rate for 1280X1024 is but it supports 640x480 at
|> 72 Hz, 800x600 at 72Hz and 1064x768 at 70 Hz (caveat all numbers are off
|> the top of my head)  It does 24 bit video.  I think is uses the S3 chip but
|> I don't remember which one  


It uses one of the original S3 chips, not the newer ones.  It looks to me
like its the same as their Fahrenhiet 1280D (their original local bus card)
except they added VESA support.  

I didn't get it cuz it won't do 32,768 colors at 800x600.  This seems absurd
to me since it does do 16.7 million colors at 640x480...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: drudetb@infonode.ingr.com (Ted B. Drude)
Subject: Re: VESA  --> Defined (?) <--
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:18:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.021145.16205@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
>
>Now unless the VESA standard includes elements of bus construction and
>interface, it seems that VESA and "local bus video" are two different and
>unrelated things.  A VESA compatible video card is one thing, while a
>local bus video card is another.  
>I can't say that having an ISA bus video card with VESA has been any
>great thing, especially with a standard ET4000 chipset.  But maybe VESA
>becomes more important with the more  "exotic" co-processed chipsets.

VESA = Video Equipment Standards Association

They set standards for all sorts of things,  like SVGA BIOS functions, 
SVGA monitor vertical refresh frequencies,  AND the VL-bus local bus
definitions. If you are thinking that the VESA standard that defines
SVGA BIOS functions is the same exact VESA standard that defines local bus, 
then that's where the confusion lies.  They are NOT the same standard, 
even though they are both defined by VESA.

Having an ISA bus SVGA card that supports VESA standard BIOS
functions is completely different from having a motherboard/graphics
card that has VESA standard VL-bus slots.

- Ted D.