HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fike@chezp.enet.dec.com 
Subject: Re: Tire Help (Mtb)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:52:18 GMT


In article <Bs7vFz.HLK@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jaw38638@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason Andrew Weber) writes...
>ward@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) writes:
> 
>>The question is what to buy. I think I've narrowed it down to three tires:
> 
>>1 2.2 Panaracer Dart s.c. 
>>2 2.35 Ritchey Zmax WCS
>>3 2.5 Specialized
> 
>>I've got a 2.2 smoke on back, which I had up front for a bit and liked it
>>there (so mabey thats a consiteration also).  I'm leaning to the Ritchey,
> 
>I have a Smoke 2.1 on the front and a Specialized Cannible 2.2 on the
>back and like it very much.  The Cannible kicks off the mud and dirt 
>very well, and has good climbing traction on loose ground.
> 
>Just an opinion.
> 
>Jason Weber


	I just replaced my stock tires with a Smoke 2.2 Magnum in the rear 
	and a Smoke Dart 2.2 S.C. in the front and I love 'em. The rear
	traction is excellent and the front just sticks to absolutely any line
 	I pick- in mud, sand , hardpack, gravel. If you ride in mostly hardpack
	you may want to go with the 2.1s instead, but I intend to use these
	in snow and ice also, so went for the wide ones. Though they're both
	2.2s , the front Dart seems a lot wider- must be the edge lugs.

				Mike Fike	- Manchester, Maine
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: saj@b15.b15.ingr.com (Steve Jernigan)
Subject: Greg L. and TdF helment usage
Keywords: helmet (sp, sorry) not a flame war please!!!!
Organization: Intergraph, Huntsville AL
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 12:28:35 GMT

Does anyone know why Greg Lemond was not wearing a helmet in a large number
of his last stages of this years TdF?  In the first major ITT, he seemed
to be the only contender to not be wearing a helmet.  Even if we forget the
saftey issue, what about aerodynamics?  Greg is known as a detail man, so
why did he go less-aero than his co-riders?  I also saw Chiapucci (sp?) wearing
a helmet more often than most.  It seems a strange turn of events.  Does
anyone have any insight into this?

Steve J.
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:12:42 GMT

Jonathan Dodd writes:

> WHAT'S WRONG WITH ARRYA? (or however you spell it) - I only yesterday
> bought a new rim of that brand,  lightweight and semi-aero,  with a good price
> tag by New Zealand standards.  I know they're not the best,  but the worst???

Sorry to leave a dangling recommendation against a rim like that.  I have not
used these rims but I hear a consistent complaint that tires blow off these
rims both from users and some bike shop employees.  I have no better
information than that.  I don't know what tires, tubes, or rim strip.
Therefore, let me say it is hearsay and you had best ask satisfied users
about their experience.  Maybe others who have used these rims can fill in
here.  For myself, I have heard enough believable scenarios of failures to
not want to make experiments.  I don't believe it is a conspiracy generated
by Mavic or Campagnolo.

I think this is worth pursuing so that Arrya doesn't end up short from third
hand stories.  If you have other information please let's hear it.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: dmiles@milton.u.washington.edu (David Miles)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:18:25 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

I like to use my rear brake when slowing down going into a turn, and it's on
the right, so I signal with my left hand, usually tipping it a little
farther than the vertical so it points a little right.  But if the car drivers
have forgotten what's they read in their driver's manual and give me even
more clearance thinking that I'm turning left that's fine with me.  As far as
legality goes, I'm sure the left hand vertical is legal and pretty sure the
alternative right hand out is, too.  The left hand would seem to be more 
visible to cars passing on the left.  I do use the right hand in the one
place I cross a crosswalk and am signalling to pedestrians.  I also sometimes
use it to signal to other bikes.  It seems to me that the signal to educate
people to should be standard to all vehicles, however, and that is the left
hand up.

David Miles  dmiles@u.washington.edu  (in Seattle)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: johnj@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (John A. Johnston)
Subject: Neophyte: Mountian Bike
Organization: Johns Hopkins Univ. Welch Medical Library
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:32:26 GMT


I'm in want of a mountian bike.  I have a little 20" BMX Hutch of a few
years old that I use to cruise around, get exercise or just find some
stuff to ride around on in the local woods.  Trouble is, this little
bike won't keep up with my friends on the local fire roads, bike
trails, and larger clearings.

I like the little bike because:
	- it is easy to maneuver in tight spots
	- it flys easily (makes for quick work of riding sidewalks,
	curbs in traffic areas with a quick bunny hop).
	- I own it & don't really worry about suffering a big loss
	if it gets ripped off

I'd like a mountian bike which is
	- easy to maneuver (smallish?): my friends bikes seem too big
	in the seat post height.
	- has nice shifters: I have found that punching max power to
	many multi-gear bikes causes weird kathunks & chain jumps. I
	hate that
	- durable: I've busted many a bike part (quality BMX)
	and suffered some pretty decent crashes so we need a bike that
	can take some hard use (I also weigh 195lbs, 6' tall) in
	addition to a lot of use.
	- reasonably priced, a few hundred is ok & I'm watching for
	anything likeable in the used market but that is real thin
	right now.

Any advice/experience?  I'm somewhat uncomfortable with the size of the
mountian bike, but guess I'll get use to it if the seat can be far
enough away for good weight shifting.

Also any comments on must-have accessories like security (for riding to
the camera shop) etc.  I'm more into riding than reading so I will
probably only pick up one magazine during the selection phase (maybe
more later if it is a bad winter).

Many thanks!
-johnj

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From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Re: stats on TdF in years past
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:38:35 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Followup-To:  stats on TdF in years past

>|	Pays-BAS (?):	2
                  ^
                  |
                  Holland
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From: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias)
Subject: NBC Olympic Cycling Coverage
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:11:16 GMT
Distribution: na

According to the LA Times TV Times magazine, sometime during the following
time periods (PDT) Olympic cycling will be shown on NBC.

Sunday    7/26   7pm-12pm       Women's Road Race Final
Thursday  7/30  12:35am-2:05am  Track Events
Friday    7/31  12:35am-2:05am  Track Events
Saturday  8/1   12:35am-2:05am  Track Finals
Sunday    8/2    7pm-12pm       Men's Road Race Final


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University of California, Irvine     BITNET:      iglesias@uci
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From: dd3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Danny R Dalal)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Time for rec.bicycles.racer?
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:06:00 GMT
	<1992Jul22.194304.4720@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


	So, is there going to be a MTB and ROAD group?  I'd like to see that,
since I'm mostly interested in MTB stuff.  I would also spend less time
going through posts. 

	my .02

__Dan
	
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From: scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng)
Subject: Re: Ottawa cycle groups
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:21:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.141542.26993@dragon.acadiau.ca> 880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes) writes:

   Just want some info on the various bike groups in the
   Ottawa area.  How large, types of rides, organization?

Well, within BNR, there is the BNR/NT bicycle user group. The contact
is Paul Clarke.

For the region of Ottawa/Carleton, there is the Ottawa Bike Club
(about 1000 members) which organizes Sunday rides and various other
assorted trips. There is also Kanata bike club (much smaller) and one
or 2 other club based out of the other bedroom cities arround here.

--

Spencer Cheng     scheng@BNR.CA  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada  613-763-4046
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Rim failure, for Jobst and other netters!
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 19:41:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

If your question is, "what is proper tension" on a spoke
I can say that I don't know. Do you?

In the cases of failure that I've seen of Mavic MA-40's
the failures all were after the spokes had been retightened.
Adjusting them by hand and feel revealed to my hand that they were
very tight.

There are _massive_ amounts of hard anodized rimes out there.
If stress cracking were of any significance there would be a
very much greater incidence of these failures then there are.

In my experience these failures seem to have been limited to
Mavic MA-40's and I consider these to be some of the finest
rims available.
From: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:45:57 GMT
Reply-To: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

In article <1992Jul22.130858.4063@nlm.nih.gov>, berman@nlm.nih.gov (Lew Berman) writes...
>I've been told by my local bike shop that dawn detergent and regular 10w40
>motor oil are good for cleaning and lubricating the chain.  Agree or
>diagree?
> 
>Thanks,



    To clean my chain, I soak it in gas sevral times, swishing it around,
until the gas I pour in, doesn't get dark.  Following that, I soak it it
straight 40w oil, for a day.  I have been using the same Sedis chain on my
road bike since '88 with no problems whatsoever.  10w-40 oil is thin (10w)
when it is cold and is thick, 40w when warm.  The only forseeable problem 
with this is the difference may be confusing you, into thinking a particular
hill on a particular day is harder than it really is.

   Let me know what you think,

      Joel Brodsky      jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
                        jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us
                        jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
                        jbrodsky@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: lally@beta.lanl.gov (Bryan R. Lally)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:15:18 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <1992Jul27.184701.2352@craycos.com> lars@craycos.com (Ron Larson) writes:
> In article <22784@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith) writes:
[stuff deleted]
> Tape it and use fast forward, NBC did.

Yeah, I like that :-)

We patted ESPN on the back (oh, you _DIDN'T_ send your letter yet?).
Now it is time to complain to NBC.  My letter is written - anyone have
their address?

	- Bryan
From: coleman@twinsun.com (Mike Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC's Olympic Coverage
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:45:46 GMT
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc

MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>I can just see them trying to set the 100-yard free pistol match to disco
>music... 

Actually, that should be *rap* music, of course.  Particularly for the
point-blank fully-automatic free-fire event.

Mike
-- 
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Welcome to California: It's a nice place to visit, but you wouldn't want to be
sick, indigent, homeless, have children, go to school or college or live here.
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From: lapp@waterloo.hp.com (David Lapp)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:23:21 GMT
Organization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4

greg@regulus.sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks) writes:
: In article <g-lmw8d.tomk@netcom.com> tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
:    If bicycle paths are so safe, why is it that most of them
:    have a 15mph speed limit?
: Unfortuntely, "Bike Paths" here in Ottawa are "Multi-purpose
: recreational pathways" (or some other beurau-speak), so one finds
: walkers, dogs, joggers, roller bladers, and (surprising cyclists) all
: sharing the same patch of pavement.  Needless to say, a cyclist going
: 40 km/h (25mph) will create quite a mess when he or she hits a
: pedestrian going 5 km/h.
:
This is also true of the 'bike paths' in Toronto (unless things
have changed). Many pedestrians don't seem to realize that they
are multi-use. I was even told to "Get off the sidewalk" once.

But if you want to commute then the real problem is the 'recreational' 
part of the name. They tend to not go anywhere you would want to 
commute to.

Dave Lapp
From: davidl+@pitt.edu (David C Leung)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: headset problems
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:40:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bs5LFw.1sF@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rbusch@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Robert Busch) writes:
>
>Bill: what you need is a nifty device I call the fork race
>wacky-smashy thingy. Basically, it's a pipe that just barely
>slides over the top of the fork, enabling you to whack the 
>fork race on with the end. It works great. I suggest bringing  
>your fork into a bike shop: they're bound to have a whacky-
>smashy thingy, and they might even do the job for free (it
>would probably take them less than a minute). You might try
>it yourself with a suitable pipe, but make sure that the end
>of the pipe doesn't smash onto the surface where the bearings
>ride -- it should hit the top of the race, where no damage is 
>done.   


To prevent any type of scratching place the old race on inverted on
top of the new race before you do all of this wacky-smashing activity.
The new race should come through this trauma unscathed if you do this.
I use a weight set bar collar that fits over fork column to pound 
the race on.  








----------------David Leung
From: rush@mnementh.metaphor.com (Ed Rush)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Olympic women's road race
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:31:09 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA

Can someone provide the full story on the last lap of the
Olympic women's road race?  I watched NBC's coverage Sunday
night, and they focused on Inge Whatsername of Reno and 
the French J. Longo almost to the exclusion of anyone else.
Then, at the last lap, they showed the Australian Watt's 
breakaway and Longo's attempt to catch her up, and that was
it.

It appeared that Inge was at the head of the pack (i.e., 
in third place) with two or three miles to go, but this
morning's news said that she finished 36th and that
some other American woman was sixth!  It mentioned that
she had a crash when someone ran her off the road, but
I assume that it was referring to her third-lap crash.

So, can someone fill in the details about how Inge fell
so far back at the end?
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Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18883 can.general:3560 ont.general:1261 soc.culture.canada:5333 ott.general:560
From: caseb@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Benefits of stretching
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:02:03 EST

How much does pre-ride muscle stretching improve performance on a
long ride in terms of fatigue and cramping?

Brian Case 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,can.general,ont.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:35:37 GMT

In article <92Jul27.164818edt.256@smoke.cs.toronto.edu>
	craig@cs.toronto.edu (Craig MacDonald) writes:

>I have a class A licence.  If while driving/riding/walking a
>10-ton-transport-truck/2-ton-car/35-pound-bicycle/myself, I am stopped
>for endangering public safety by speeding or driving/riding/walking
>recklessly, then I hope that I am forced to pay a fine or loose my
>RIGHT to drive/ride/walk proportionately to my potential to cause harm
>and incur medical and other costs (or should I say -- other benefits
>by creating jobs in the repair, insurance and therapy industries).

Being allowed to drive a motorized vehicle on public property is a
priviledge, not a right, such priviledge being granted by the state and
revokable for a number of reasons.

Walking and cycling are not priviledges, they are more like rights, as
they are not "bestowed" by licensing. You can be fined for violating the
HTA on a bike, but I have never heard of a court prohibiting a person's
ability to cycle or walk on public roads because the manner of that person's
walking/cycling presented a danger to others.

>>>In the audience for the press conference were two Metro Toronto Police
>>>officers from the bicycle squad, complete with bicycle shorts, night-stick
>>>and gun.
>
>>How quaint. At least bicycles don't shit on the road like horses do.
>
>Why you are so sarcastic and what is your point?  They are effective
>at enforcing the law in areas where cars can't go.

I was not commenting on the utility of a bicycle-based police squad. It
makes incredible good sense, not just in areas inaccessable to cars.
In suburbs and major streets, having police on bikes makes them more
accessable, closer to the public, less hidden-away behind plate glass
and steel. It's a better way to integrate with the community. I would
also hope that the manner in which they drive their bikes would set a
good example to those cyclists who are otherwise ill-trained on the rules
of the road.

My comment was on having these police at the press conference. The media
are generally weenies and aren't impressed by this anyway.

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
   Said Captain Jean-Luc Picard to the tailor at his machine: "Make it sew!"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: parksd@source.asset.com (Don Parks)
Subject: Re: Time for rec.bicycles.racer?
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:55:37 GMT
Organization: Asset Source for Software Engineering Technology

In article <1992Jul22.160256.27799@vestek.com> marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen) writes:
>
>     Thats a lot of subgroups, how about just:
>
>     rec.bicycles.road
>     rec.bicycles.mtn
>
>     Personally I only am interested in mtn biking articles, I dont want to
>have to look through 6 diff groups. Maybe this subdivision could be a good start.
>
>     Marcus

AMEN Brother!!!!

I have already voted NO to the CFV in news.announce.groups, but I
definetly would have voted yes for your suggested split.  As a matter
of fact, I would vote yes for any group or split with MTB's as its
own group.  Maybe us MTB'ers should get together and try to pass a
vote for a new group like "rec.mtnbikes" scince I imagine the CFV will
fail....

Don (the Psycho Biker) Juan
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From: ajft@ajft_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au (Adrian Tritschler)
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Keywords: n
Reply-To: ajft@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:21:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.221738.12243@unixg.ubc.ca>, dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller) writes:
|> 
|> My roommate just returned from fairly extensive MTB touring through England,
|> Scotland, Ireland, and Wales. He had street tires, but no drop bars (just
|> bar ends). I can get him to post something if you wish.

Yes, do! I am trying to get my #??%%$ together to visit the UK sometime
next spring and hope to either bring my bike or borrow/hire one.

|>       :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca

Back to the subject of touring on MTBs, I do all my riding on mine,
including last years Great Victorian Bike Ride (approx. 600 km along
the Great Ocean Road) Oh, that's Victoria Australia, not BC.

Slicks are a good idea, or tyres other than Smokes!
Also bar ends or some other sort of bars.

	Adrian.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:19:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.205104.10710@news.unomaha.edu>
KKRUEGER@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Kurt R. Krueger) phonoeticizes us: 
> ...
>One very annoying thing about all of these announcers is the way they
>butcher the foreign names.  Here are a few:
>
>                 What they say           Should be
>                 ---------------------------------------
>Indurain         IN-dur-ain              een-do-ra-EEN ...

No, according to the sports announcer on a Texas station, who sure the
heck ought to know better

                  MI gel en DUR ian

I almost choked, and I only get by in Spanish.

>/*Kurt Krueger


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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From: gavind@physiol.su.OZ.AU (Gavin Dixon)
Subject: olympics - CATHY WATTS WINS IWRR!!!
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:14:56 GMT

Good win by Cathy Watts in the individual women's road race. Have the others ever heard of tactics ??? 8-) The three Australians made a lot of the breaks in
the race...seems like a lot of the other riders were being a bit too cagey and
hoping for a bunch sprint. Watch out for Patrick Jonker in the IMRR...


gavin
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