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From: FD00@UTEP.BITNET (FD00000)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: [prononco] "Dan Quayle"
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:41:08 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

> Estas delonge mia impreso, ke nur germanoj, rusoj kaj diversaj aliaj
> ne-anglalingvanoj opinias, ke la mallonga angla A similas al Esperanta
> (a^u germana, rusa, ktp) E. Mi neniam spertis, ke brito a^u Usonano
> volis egaligi anglan A kaj Esperantan E.

Mi gxojas ke britoj kaj usonanoj same opinias tiurilate.  Tamen, oni ja
tre ofte vidas esperantigon de britaj nomoj kun [e] anstatau angla
[ae].Exzemple, Jackson farigxas gxekson.  Mi antaue cxiam supozis,
versxajne erare, ke la britoj mem preferas tian esperantigon.

Ankau en la Esperanta Antologio (almenau en la unua eldono), la
prononcindikoj pri anglaj nomoj cxiam uzas "e" por [ae].  Cxar la
redaktoro de tiu verko estas brito (William Auld), mi ankau pro tio
supozis ke tiel faras la britoj.

Cxu estas aliaj exkzemploj?

-Grant (kaj ne diru al mi "grent"!)
From: jmm@ci.ua.pt (Jose Manuel Martins)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Peto pri Esperanto-instruado ekperimentoj (fwd)
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:39:34 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:58:07 PWT

> 
> Mi konas instruiston kiu volus enkonduki Esperanton en sia lernejo
> (gimnazio por studantoj 15-18 jaragxaj) venontjare, sed por konvinki la
> lernejan estraron pri la utileco de Esperanto-instruado, li bezonas
> informon pri eksperimentoj montrantaj, (1e) ke Esperanto efektive estas
> multe pli rapide lernebla ol aliaj lingvoj, almenaux por
> angloparolantoj, kaj (2e) ke gxi estas bona bazo por plua lingvostudo.
> 
Mi jam vidis ian respondon al cxi tiu demando. Cxu mi ripetas ion?

Bv. legi la bonegan artikolon de Claude Piron aperinta en "Esperanto"
Julio-Auxgusto, pgx. 130: tie vi trovos grandan bibliografion pri la afero.
Gxi entenas ecx eksperimenton kun angloparolantoj.

Ankaux kontaktebla estus la Kibernetika Instituto de Paderborn, Germanio:
cxu alirebla iel perrete?? mi ne scias!

Mi ankaux vidis ne longe antauxe de Edistudio, Pisa, Italio, novan eldonon
de "Esperanto: Lerneja Eksperimento". Gxi estis anoncata en "Heroldo de 
Esperanto". 

Cxu helpas?

Jxuze' 

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From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.esperanto
Subject: Re: Esperanto - a difficult language to learn
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:57:25 CDT
Distribution: inet
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <199210120926.AA19360@rand.org>, LAWCROWN@NUSVM.bitnet (Barry Crown) writes:

[argument to the effect that Esperanto is more difficult to learn than
it has to be because of lack of standardized international vocabulary]

I agree with your statements about Esperantists believing their own
propaganda and that Esperanto is considerably more difficult to learn
(or to learn well) than the movement says/implies.

But I disagree emphatically that this is due to the lexicon.  E is
difficult, especially for people who know nothing of European
languages, because E displays European semantics and especially
European pragmatics (the principles which govern the interpretation of
utterances in context).

The "Zamenhof fallacy" was (and this has been pointed out many times)
that morphological regularity alone would make a language easy to
learn.  Today we know better: Japanese has quite regular morphology
but this aids the European/American student of Japanese very little!
Etc.

The vocabulary or lexicon of E is very rich, not as rich as that of
English or that of Brazilian Portuguese, but still rich; and I like it
for that reason.  I think most of us do.  Moreover there is in my
opinion *nothing* to be gained by tampering with E; it is despite its
origins a real language now, and it simply is what it is.  I do not
know whether it is easier to learn than which national languages and
for whom.  The claim that it is, ought to be backed up by some sort of
evidence.  Put some college students through four years of E and
put a control group through four years of something else and see what
happens.  My prediction would be that the E students would be way
ahead in the first few semesters, but by the end of the four
years--about the same.

-- 
-Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> {Sometimes you have to look reality straight
 OPINIONS ARE MY OWN            {in the eye, and deny it. - G. Keillor
From: haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Re: Nazrulgeeti (was Re: Rabindra Sangeet)
Reply-To: haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:38:46 GMT

In article 22618@tamsun.tamu.edu, adatta@cs.tamu.edu (Abhijit Datta) writes:
> 	Sayan has mentioned of Buddhadeva Bose's reference to Nazrul's 
> visits to Dhaka in the 1920's & '30s. I this connection I would like to
> add that I have heard from the horse's mouth about Nazrul's visit to
> Chittagong sometime in the mid '20s.
> 
> 	However, like some of the other SCBites (e.g. Amitava Banerjee)
> the choice of Nazrul as Bangladesh's National Poet has also struck me as,
> somewhat artificial.
> Could some one please throw some light on this?
> 
> 	Abhijit


I think the choice of Nazrul as our national poet was based on two factors. First 
is his immense popularity. No except Rabindranath comes near him in terms of 
popularity, not even Jasimuddin. Second factor was of course political. Our 
national poet has to be a "Muslim".

Personally I find the national poet thing as meaningless. We don't have to have 
a national poet. Every poet has his/her contribution. We should accept all 
without any bias. This isn't the medieval period where one has a court poet!

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: banerj@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: Nazrulgeeti (was Re: Rabindra Sangeet)
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:53:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.202645.1@engvms.unl.edu> mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.141049.6350@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, banerj@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov () writes:
>> 
>> Are the ties of religion so strong that he becomes the national poet
>  --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> over someone like Jasimuddin?
>-------------------------------
>> 
>> Amitava
>> 
>
>I don't understand this question. Both Jasimuddin and Nazrul belong
>to the same  religion. The ties of religion apply equally to both
>of them. If we want to compare the two, the " ties of religion" 
>do not come into action. If Nazrul is popular only because he is
>a Muslim, why not Jasimuddin? He is also a Muslim. So Nazrul is
>popular, not only because he is a Muslim. There must be something
>else about Nazrul.

Point taken!!

Amitava
From: buchignani@hg.uleth.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bangladeshi recipe
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:15:36 GMT
Reply-To: buchignani@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge

thanks for the rash-golla recipe. I'm a sucker for sweets, so
will try it soon.

    Norm Buchignani/University of Lethbridge/BUCHIGNANI@HG.ULETH.CA
"If we have been accustomed to deplore the spectacle...of a workman occupied
during his whole life in nothing else but the making of knife-handles or pins'
heads, we may find something quite as lamentable in the intellectual class, in
the exclusive employment of a human brain in resolving some equations, or in
classifying insects. [This] occasions a miserable indifference about the
general course of human affairs, as long as there are equations to solve and
pins to manufacture."                                      Auguste Comte
From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: news
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:54:36 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Is anyone here posting from Bangladesh itself?

Randy Finder
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Dead Beat Callers
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:51:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

This problem is indemic to the entire sub-continent. At one time AT&T
would not allow credit card calls to that area (they still may not)
because of our ingenious method of breaking the codes.

Two more related stories:

1) Some group in India has gotten illegal access to a satellite
transponder (I dont know technical details), and is selling
time to customers. Deshis in Saudi Arabia have set up an
operation where they call into India and are patched through
this organization to any place in the world for low prices.

2) Deshis are routinely scrutinzed closely when travelling to the
US because people in India have mastered the art of faking US
Visas. This was told to me by an US embassy official in Bangkok.
Apparantly they caught one group of Visas, because the new format
was not available in India yet, the counterfieters had
got hold of it before the US embassy in India :-).

This leads me to the conclusion that there is a lot of high
quality engineering talent in the Subcontinent which, if we harness
properly, we can beat the world. These "tricks" were  of the same
class we pulled at MIT ie beating the phone system, breaking into
computers, forging documents, getting through secure door.

Just imagine a region full of MIT engineers :-).

Hassan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Reruest for an address
From: maradona@vax1.mankato.msus.edu (Ahsan Habib Khan)
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:24:52 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

Hi,
 
I am looking for Shahriar Rahman of Ithaca College, New York. 

Anyone, having any contact with him or with Ithaca college, please mail his 
address to me.

Thanks a lot.


Regards,
Ahsan


P.S., If some one wants to correspond with, he/she is most welcomed to do so. I
am getting really bored. Thanks again.
From: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: News (EEC type arrangement)
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:14:58 GMT
Reply-To: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabir

In article 92Oct10211208@occs.cs.oberlin.edu, sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
[...lots of interesting news deleted - thanks.]
>BADC requested the supplier in the U.S. to take back the consignment
>of fertilizer found to contain toxic substances. [XINHUA] 

This batch was one of two - one shipped to Australia and one to
Bangladesh. Toxic waste masquerading as fertilizer. The Australian
one has been taken back by the South Carolina based company.

- Ihtisham
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bangali or Bangladeshi ?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 07:37:34 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Am I a Bangali or Bangladeshi ?

I always like to think of my self as a human being, but
GLOBAL NOMAD seems much more appropriate :-).,

Hassan
From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Bangali or Bangladeshi ?
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:43:10 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

In article <1992Oct16.003850.4357@tamsun.tamu.edu> adatta@cs.tamu.edu (Abhijit Datta) writes:
>In article 5774 debug@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (Faisal Rahman) writes :
>
>>Am I a Bangali or Bangladeshi ?
>>To-day, I met a guy from Calcutta, and he suddenly asked me,
>>I am a Bangali or not. So I looked at him and realized that
>>he was from Calcutta, then I answered saying "Yes I am Bangladeshi."
>
>I think what is of no less importance in this respect is that I am a
>Bharatiya Bangali and you a Bangladeshi Bangali. Can't we think like
>this?
>
>
>Regards,
>Abhijit   

I agree with Abhijit. I think "Bangali" is a cultural term, while
"Bharatiya" or "Bangladeshi" is a citizenship term .  They are not
comparable. 

-Sayan Bhattacharyya.
From: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Dead Beat Callers
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:08:37 GMT
Reply-To: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabir

Reminds me of a story I read some years ago. A Pakistani was
arrested for illegally making overseas calls from a phone booth
in NYC.

It was he who called the Police, after he got mugged as he hung
up the phone. The Police got suspicious and asked him what he was
doing at that time of the night in such a rough neighborhood.

- Ihtisham  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed)
Subject: Re: News
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:19:28 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1b0imnINN8u7@magna.ksu.ksu.edu> misra@magna.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!) writes:
   naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:

   >border guards foil indian attempt to herd more than 200 Bengalis speakers
   >into the ctry. the latest since 'begin of "Operation Pushback" [r]

	   Arent these people who are told to go back..bangladeshi citizens?
	   If that is the case, why is Bd pushing back!?


The Indian government claim they are Bangladeshi citizens. Most of
them were originally from Bangladesh but have lived in India for over
30 years or so and most of them have Indian ration cards and ids. Some
of them are not at all Bangladeshis but Bengali Muslims.

Saif
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: BUET. Was: <None>
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:13:02 GMT


In article <1992Oct7.135314.2233@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> shanto@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>
>Since you have bothered to read so far, I might as well give you some "in-
>side" info on Dhaka and make it all worthwhile:

Thanks.

>
>BUET has a new VC who's changed the weekly BUET holidays from THU/FRI to 
>FRI/SAT
>The second great thing he did is introduce GPA and credit system into the 
>BUET curricula, so all of you who are finding the U.S. a drag and not upto
>the expectations you envisioned, now's the time to take a transfer!!

Some questions. Who is the new VC? (So Dr Shahjahan is finally out. I was
wondering how long he will remain in his position.) Do you have any details
about the new curriculum? What I had heard was the new system was going to
be introduced for the new first year students in parallel with the existing
system. 

>Well,have to go study for a test. Will get back later -- with the poem!

Good luck.

-- Zunaid Kazi
   kazi@cis.udel.edu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:19:56 CST

In article <1992Oct10.025727.24368@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ) writes:
> Infact there are four bengali weeklies currently being published from NY:
> PROBASHI,  THIKANA  BANGALI (bang-ali) and I cant remember the name of the
> fourth one (it started 2/3 months ago).

The name of the 4th one is Biswa-Bangla. There are also two monthly
published from NY: Voice of Bangladesh (in English) and Parichoy.
Another magazine of bengali poetry SANGKHACHIL is also published
from NY in every 3 months. Another biweekly newspaper (the first
Bengali Newspaper from N. America ) SANGBAD BICHITRA is also published
from NY by Banga shanskritik Shagha. It has news from Bangladesh and
West Bengal.

---Zakir

> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>   ===========================================================================
>   KHALED AZIZ      mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu   mkaziz@argo.acs.oakland.edu  
>          PO Box 93234   Rochester Hills     MI 48309      (313) 370 3858
From: masroor@human.ai.kyushu-u.ac.jp (Muhammad Masroor Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: More BUET: Questions, news and comments
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:45:48 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci. and Comm. Eng., Kyushu Univ., Fukuoka, Japan
X-Bytes: 2119

In article <1992Oct9.192823.9743@udel.edu> kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:

>We have all been reading about the new BUET VC. Who in the world is he?
>I called home last night and talked to my sister who is in BUET. It
>appears that Dr. Shahjahan is still the VC. He hasn't completed his
>tenure as the VC and so unless he resigns he should still be the VC.
>
>If he isn't the VC anymore then who might the new one be?
>
>JRC? Dr. Mujibur Rahman? Dr. J (ChemE)? 

This not an answer to your query. The new VC is not  Dr. Mujibur 
Rahman for sure.  He is the new director of CC.


>The faculty at BUET appears to be split 50/50 about the new curriculum.
>I would think the opposition is probably coming from the geriatrics
>who are not too keen on the extra work involved. We saw the same kind
>of split during the introduction of Class Tests, and the decision to
>take in two batches simultaneously.

This more than natural. I don't want to name my respected teachers,
but some of them were even reluctant to change from the third to 
the fourth edition simply because of laziness/obstinancy. (Eto
khatni koira notun chota banaibo keda? The yellow chota is the most
precious and bonedi(?) )


>All the inner walls in the campus are being taken down. These include
>the walls running parallely on the road that runs between the Cafeteria/
>Arch Building and OAB/CE/EME building. 

Any apparent cause for this? To stop `Bhaisob, aaj amar
nanar jonmodin upelokhkhe class bondo thakibe' ? ZHK, clarify if 
you could? 


>(To BUET facs on leave ->
>Let's go back.. (and not to NSU, to BUET please :) ))

I want that written in CAPs, in the largest font available,


Thanks
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    Who says `Nothing' is impossible? I am doing nothing throughout years. 
   _______________________________________________________________________

    masroor@human.ai.kyushu-u.ac.jp (Muhammad Masroor Ali)
    Department of Computer Science and Communication Engineering
    Faculty of Engineering, Kyushu University
    Fukuoka, 812 JAPAN
From: shanto@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: <None>
Date: 7 Oct 92 07:53:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Oct7.135314.2233
Organization: Mankato State University


well, well,well so i CAN get thru! Hi everybody, I'm new here and my name 
is NOT     Shanto and so if you guys want to "gala"fy someone for wasting 
two files pointlessly just trying to figure out whether the mail goes thru,
then you should "gala"fy me!

The reason I'm writing from the account I'm writing from is because the 
stupid vax system of me colleger doesnt have any such facilities.


Since you have bothered to read so far, I might as well give you some "in-
side" info on Dhaka and make it all worthwhile:

BUET has a new VC who's changed the weekly BUET holidays from THU/FRI to 
FRI/SAT
The second great thing he did is introduce GPA and credit system into the 
BUET curricula, so all of you who are finding the U.S. a drag and not upto
the expectations you envisioned, now's the time to take a transfer!!

Well,have to go study for a test. Will get back later -- with the poem!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mpissov@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mikhail Pissov)
Subject: Re: your culture
Originator: amanzur@cantina.comp.vuw.ac.nz
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:51:08 GMT


In article <1992Oct9.184342.1@opie.bgsu.edu>, bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
|> oops, sorry fuck you
|> 




      Who is this wanker ???

  


  I can sort of collect this fellows name [ I guess it is M.Agnus ] . It's really
 unfortunate to have vockchods like him in SCB . 



 Anyway just another thought:

       Don't let your university to interfere with your education .


                   



                                      All the best 
                                                   - pissov.
From: owl.caltech.edu!smrahman (Sharif Rahman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Ignore this
Date: 8 Oct 1992 02:43:49 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: owl.caltech.edu
Keywords: Ignore this
Originator: smrahman@owl

Ignore this message. Thanx

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: anwar@bnr.ca (Shams Anwar)
Subject: Bangladesh Passport & Story.
Organization: BNR
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:36:22 GMT


4 foreign nationals were apprehended after  applying for lost(?) Bangldesh 
Passport at Bangladesh Embassy in New York. 3 were Pakistanis
and 1 guienes. The officer became suspicios after testing their ability
to speak Bangla and inquiring about their address' in Bangladesh. One 
Bangldeshi later commented that he met 3 Pakistanis, 1 Indian sikh and 
1 Indian Bengali, all with Bangladesh Passports, last year in Florida. 
			                     -------- PROBASHI, Oct 2.


 Does not this remind us about one story (dream?) someone (sorry, I forgot
 his name) posted couple of weeks back about hitting an oil reseve in 
 Bangladesh with more oil than Saudi and Q-8 combined which then resulted
 in everybody applying for Bangladeshi Immigration. Sounds like it, is not
 that? Have we then hit the black gold at last? Nope. Although the effect 
 looks the same, but the cause was to establish fake identity. I wish the 
 cause were the one as described in the story.


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