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From: bderolf@encore.com (Brad DeRolf)
Subject: Keith Jackson - Fin - Smart Move
Reply-To: bderolf@encore.com (Brad DeRolf)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:27:31 GMT
Summary: NFL is changing
News-Software: NN 6.4.16
Keywords: Players Win again

After reading some reports in the local media, Keith Jackson becoming a 
Dolphin has a lot more to do with player trying to change
the league than one player's selfishness. In fact, I believe that this
was a shrewd move by the players. Why else would he choose the Fins?

Shula and the Robbies are considered to part of the NFL's "Old Guard".
Thus any testimony by Shula provided at the McNeil case looks pretty
porous at this point. Shula never took the stand, but he did provided
written testimony that against Free Agency. Yet he is the first to
sign a Big Name free agent. This will go a LONG way in the next 
trial and bargaining settlement. As far as Shula signing a free agent...
Shula, "The rules are different now. We played be the rules."
Who says the game has passed him by!

According to local papers, Keith signed for 6 mill over 4 years with
no "guaranteed" money, but he did get a 1.5 mil signing bonus. Something
Philly would not budge on. Keith, "Philly said they only give signing
bonuses to rookies and multiple pro-bowlers. 3 is multiple to me."
The Fins offered a 3 year and a 4 year deal. Keith took the 4 year deal?
Keith, "I didn't want to go through negotiations again in 3 years" ???

Tim Robbie was surprised that Keith took their offer, which only
further solidifies that this move is more to enhance Free Agency for
all players. Say what you will about Mr. Jackson, but he is a very
intelligent guy and I think he made this deal as part of the big
picture for "all players".

During the MNF interview you could tell Randall was upset about
losing a teammate, but he was quick to mention the is was a good
decision for the players.

Time will tell.

The Fins will hopefully trade someone for Defensive Line help, but if
NOT.....
                   Marino (Hall of fame) to
                   Duper (pro bowler) for 15. 
                   Clayton (Pro bowler) for 10.
                   Jackson (YES) for 8. 
                   2cond and goal from the 3.
                   Double TE formation Jackson and Edmunds (5 pro bowls)
                   Humprey (2 1,000 yard seasons) TD!!!!!
 
                   Tony Paige, Higgs and Webb this year!!!

                   Brian Cox, Offerdal, Vincent, Oliver, Harden Laying on
                   the hits.

Bills beware..........................
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:05:26 EDT
From: Thomas A. Gryn <TAG2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas at Philly
Distribution: na
 <1992Oct6.201549.19532@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>

In article <1992Oct6.201549.19532@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com
(peter.r.clark..jr) says:
>Had to respond to this one. CB Izel Jenkins is the #3 CB behind Ben Smith
>who is still out with a knee injury, may miss the whole season. Before the
>injury Smith and Allen were arguably the best CB tandem in the league.
>To say that they are better with Izel "Toast" Jenkins in place of Smith
>is absolutely untrue. If anything, Izel is the weakest link in this defense.
>This is not a knock on Izel, I still think he's better than he gets credit
>for, but he's NO Ben Smith.

As the color commentator for the Eagles' radio broadcast said, Izel's main
problem is that he lacks the knack of adjusting to the ball once it is in
the air. He's got the size and speed to stay with a receiver, but if the
ball's on target, forget it...as a contrasting example, Eric Allen, the
other Eagles CB, is exceptional at adjusting to the ball; a number of times
this year, a receiver has had his hands on the ball, only to have Eric
strip it away at the last second. Is it any wonder that other teams' QBs
go after Izel?

I expect, if Izel gets *seriously* burned some Sunday, either Otis Smith or
rookie Mark McMillian will get the next start. I like McMillian; he's like
liquid paper on receivers, but he is short (5'7"?), which is probably the
reason he isn't starting yet.

> At safety position, Wes Hopkins is out with a
>muscle pull, and I don't recall Rich Miano's name being mentioned, so that
>means the #4 guy in the depth chart, John Booty, was in there. Booty came
>up with the first INT.

No, Wes played most of the game and came up with a key INT in the Eagles'
end zone. Booty was in playing the nickel when he came up with his INT.

>Andre Waters, like him or not, plays his position
>as well as anybody. And the talk of cheap shots is all gone. He hits people
>hard, no question, but he hits them clean.

I agree with this. In past years, Andre was playing dirty, but this year,
he's been showing the patience of a veteran. If you are looking for a dirty
player on the Eagles, OT Ron Heller would probably be a better candidate.

>> - Philly is definitely going to miss Mr. Jackson before it's all over
>> with.

>Don't bet on it. He became nothing more than a distraction, and they are
>a better team for having that behind him...

Well, I have to say that Pat Beach fits better into the Eagles' new run-based
attack that Keith (You want me to...block?!?) Jackson. I feel that the ideal
compromise for the Eagles will be Maurice Johnson when he comes off IR; he's
big and a good receiver to boot.

Something to consider: the Eagles played without DT's Mike Pitts and Leon
Seals. Expect a much heavier pass rush on Aikman in the next game.

Tom Gryn...........................................tag2@psuvm.psu.edu
E-A-G-L-E-S!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Aaron B. Perkins)
Subject: EAGLES WILL GO 16-0 IF ANYONE DOES
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:12:27 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: tseng-neill@CS.YALE.EDU (Neill Tseng)
Subject: Re: James Brooks -- Where the hell is he playing?
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 00:46:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.194938.10244@ms.uky.edu> thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell) writes:
>I think James Brooks was one of the best backs of the 80's and
>still has a few good years in him.  The bengals were stupid to
>let him slip away from them.  My question is WHERE THE HELL IS
>HE PLAYING???@!?!?!  I know that Cleveland picked him up off of
>the Plan B (Personally I belive this was for no other reason than
>to not have to play *against* him) but, then I heard then say on
>primetime that he was playing at Tampa Bay (for dynamic sammy).
>
>So where is he?  What's his numbers? How's he doing?  Could someone
>say hello from one of his biggest fans?????
>
>Alex
>
>p.s. Thank god I didn't have to see boomer throw 4 more INT's this week.


james Brooks was waived by Cleveland and signed by Tampa Bay.  I don't know his
numbers, but I don't think he played much so far this season.
-- 
Neill Tseng (neill@minerva.cis.yale.edu)
The Showdown:  Outrage 7, Whip Appeal 5
Hurt Me...The Legend Lives On (3-on-3 champs of the world)
Proud to be a Taiwanese-American!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 22:09:06 CDT
From: <U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Chicago BEARS Stats. Week #3

Subject: Chicago BEARS STATS : wk #3

TEAMS
Chicago BEARS(1-1)  vs New York GIANTS(0-2)

GAME SUMMARY

            BEARS     Opponent*
Pts          14          27
Rushing      99         172
Pass Att     30          30
Pass Yds    183         220
Fum Lost    4-0         3-1
Poss      21:46       38:14

PASSING

Harbaugh    17-28-1-183 2P
Gardocki    0-1-0-0    (fake punt)
Muster      0-1-1-0    (FB pass)

RUSHING

Anderson    11-56
Muster       4-20
Davis        1-13
Harbaugh     1-10

RECEIVING

Davis        4-35
Anderson     4-24 T
Muster       3-61 T
Jennings     3-34
Gentry       2-24
Wright       1-5

KICKING

Butler     2X

SACKS

Dent 1

INTERCEPTIONS

None

INJURIES

Tight-end Keith Jennings (shoulder)

SUMMARY NOTES

Bears off to their worst start in 10 years, going under .500 only for
second time under Ditka and were shutdown in the second half.  They had
only 3 offensive yds. in 3rd quarter.

OTHER NOTES
*= Home Team
P=Touchdown Passes Thrown
T=Touchdowns Scored
F=Field Goals Scored (number in parens is distance)
X=Extra Point Scored
PASSING: completions, attempts, interceptions, yards, TD passes


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: bowen@ug.cs.dal.ca (keith graham bowen)
Subject: Re: Philly Taxes vs Pro Sports, etc
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:11:06 GMT

>Does Canada have an income tax? (I don't think so.) Are 
>the MLB players required to file US taxes - perhaps not if
>this Philadelphia phenomena lives.



Unfortunately for us poor souls trapped in Canada, we do have an income tax...
and what a tax it is!



-Keith
American citizen being held prisoner in Canada
GOOOO BRONCOS!


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: Re: Questions about Eagles
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:21:48 GMT

From article <1992Sep29.170723.15642@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
I wrote:
>> > 	b) Aren't the Eagles trying to pick up or make any
>> > 	   trades?  I'm getting worried about the moves
>> > 	   Dallas has been making recently.
>> 

In article <1992Sep29.143635.9263@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:

>> Well, you can't ask that question unless you feel that there are moves that
>> they need to make. So what do the EAGLES need right now?

In article <1992Sep29.170723.15642@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) responds:

>Where have you been?  The Eagles picked up Leon Seals from Buffalo
>to help along the defensive line.  With the loss of Jerome that was
>their weakness and they addressed it.  The only other area of any
>concern was at TE.  And the Eagles claimed Pat Beech off waivers to
>address that.

	I know about the Seals and Beach(ex-Jet, what a surprise...)
acquisitions, but I was wondering if there are any current moves
going on.

	I know that the Eagles are pretty solid right now, but
you can never have too much talent and depth, esp. because of the
possibility of injuries.  Plus we should always be building for the
future.

	I'll probably get flamed for this, but what about a trade
for Andre Rison for some draft picks?  Rison should be the next Rice
and he's young and in Glanville's doghouse (or so I've heard...).
Atlanta seems like they're in total disarray.  If their problems
continue and they have a potentially losing season, then there
might be some reshuffling going around, right?

	I know we have Williams and Barnett, but could you imagine
what Rison, who is constantly double-teamed, would do for our
offense???  We'd have one of the youngest and one of the best
trio's in the NFL! (apologies to Skin's fans - NOT!).  They could
have the potential of helping the Eagles for years and years and ...
... wild delusions of grandeur and ramblings of dynasties ...  :)

	But seriously, why not?
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: da Bills and some other games
Keywords: Jim Kelly = god
Date: 28 Sep 92 02:43:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	*yawn*  (:  

	A great game for the Bills' NFL highlite films.  Jim Kelly only threw
5 incompletions en route to another 300+ yard game.  Two Buffalo receivers 
(Lofton, Reed) with over 100 yards, The Thurminator with over 100 yards rushing
again.

	Oh yeah, I forgot to congratulate the Rams, the Pack, and da Bucs on
awesome upset victories.  (I *especially* like to see Detroit lose...(:)  And
here I was thinking the Lions were invincible at home (;  (;  (;

	I was just thinking back to a negative report on the Bills' special
teams (I forget the exact reference).  I must say, with all subjectivity,
that the Bills' special teams are among the league's elite.  I know that we've
been playing the scrounge (no offense) of the league the last two weeks, but
it's hard to find a weakness in this Buffalo team.  (If I _really_ have to
point out a negative aspect, it may be that we do not get enough pressure on
the QB.)

	Well, that's all my woofing for now.  I love it.  Look out Miami...
..you're in for a whoopin' next week  ;)

Jonny B.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: aephel01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Helping Thurman Find His Equipment
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:05:58 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct1.144613.11561@europa.asd.contel.com>, ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley) writes:
> In article 1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu, cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu () writes:
>>       I hope you Bills fans are ready for the ride of a life time.
> 
> I would think that Miami would be looking at the films from last year's
> Super Bowl, when the Redskins defense put such a pass rush that Thomas
> stayed back as an additional blocker.  Kelly lost his safety valve and was
> thoroughly confused for much of the game.
> 
> 
> Bob

    Thurman was confused BEFORE the game started, anyone who is on
a SB team that doesn't know where his helmet is must be smokin' 
something.

-- no sig necessary --
       Aza
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,cmu.misc.market
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 15:03:23 -0400 
From: Brennan Kraje <nk0s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Monday Night FB TIX SALE


    I have two (2) corporate box seats for the Pittsburgh Steelers vs.
Cincinnati Bengals on Monday Night Football, October 19th @ 7 p.m.  I
know theses are corporate box seats because I have sat in these seats
during the Giants and Jets games, and most everyone around my date and I
were twice as old as us.
    The seats are in section 443, Row E, Seats 12 & 13 (see the front of
the yellow pages for the stadium's diagram).  These are beautiful seats
right on the 40 yard line behind the opposing team's bench.  They are
covered, but this does not affect the view @ all...they are great seats.
    Normally, football tickets are $25 each, but these are $30 each face
value.  I paid $90 for them.  I will entertain any offers between $60
and ?, and will post again to these bboards when the tickets are sold.
    The game may be far away, but I want to dump these tickets now to
buy hockey ones.  Respond to me @ nk0s.

                                                    - Brennan 
                                                      nk0s
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: '72 Dolphins/Steelers (was Re:#1 O/D ratings)
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:44:45 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <IelBk_W00VB=Q2225e@andrew.cmu.edu>, Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Todd calls 24-17 a spanking?  I think not.  I call that a relatively
> close game.  And when you consider the Steelers were still 2 YEARS at
> least away from STARTING their reign, I think it just goes to show
> that the later Steelers would have kicked the ASS of the 72 Dolphins.
> Of course that core was without Lambert, Stallworth, Swann (I think),
> Webster, and probably a few others.  I think they are worth at least
> 10 points if not much more.
> 
>                 Just my completely biased opinion (and correct one too:)
> 
>                                   Chris

                You know every once in a while this debate comes up about 
which team was the greatest of all time. There really is no way of ever
finding out unless you're good friends with Bill and Ted and you go on a
time trip kidnapping all the players from the time they were in their prime
and having them play in some "Dream Bowl". I think Pittsburg would have given
the 72 dolphins some good competition, but in my biased opinion I think
the dolphins had big advantages in 1 the coaching (yes Mr. Knoll is a great
coach but I'll take Shula any day over any coach from any time) 2 the offensive
line(the 72 dol offensive line has to be considered one of the best of all
time even by dolphin haters) 3 the running game (the 72 dolphans had not only
one but TWO 1,000 yard rushers in merc and zonk in 72, I believe this has
happened only one other time in the NFL) Whoops forgot to mention Monty
Clark, Howard Schnellenburger and Bill Arnsbeger(sp?) on the coaching staff.
4 Even though Bradshaw (and I like Bradshaw alot) had the arm strength over
Gresie(sp?) and Morral(sp?) I would definitly take miami's quarterbacks
over Pittsburghs (I wonder which Pittsburgh team I'm comparing with and 
who was the back anyway). Oh well just full for the fire. I wish I had time
to go on. But I probably will later.

                          -doug the dolphin-
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Here they go at it again...!!!
From: desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...)
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:37:07 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Univ. of Arizona...,TSN, AZ...
Nntp-Posting-User: desert

Thusfar i'm 3-1 predicting the important games since the start of the season.

This monday, we have an early championship on the tube... I'm looking forward
to a close, defensive game rather than a blow out...

The Eagles are 16-32 against the spread as home favorites the past 10 seasons,
and you won't find many more talented 6-point underdogs than the Cowboys.

Philadephia has won eight of the last nine meetings, so Dallas is due.  The
teams traded road wins last year, Eagles, 24-0, and Cowboys, 25-13.  Dallas
leads the series, 37-26...

Being a Cowboy fan, i hate to admit this one but the factors are favoring
the Eagles... Therefore:

			Eagles	23	Cowboys	  19


Till next vital game(s), be-ware of the enemy... :)

D Man...
-- 
Desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu
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From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The FISH EAT BUFFALFO MEAT!
Keywords: FISH EAT BUFFALO BILLS!
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct4.201453.2655@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes...
>And No, before the Buffalo fanatics go beserk. My comments
>are not in retribution for the Bills outscoring the Niners
>earlier this year.

Oh...no John, all of us can appreciate your complete objectivity in the
previous comments. We wouldn't want to accuse you of sour grapes, now
would we?


Doug

                                  |                              Doug Evans
                                  | State University of New York at Buffalo
                                  |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
From: sport@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: BUFFALO BILLS STATS WK5
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:46:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax1.1992Oct5.114618.2222
Organization: Mankato State University

BUFFALO BILLS STATS WK5

TEAM
Buffalo Bills (4-1), 2nd in AFC East

GAME SUMMARY
                
                Miami   Buffalo*
Pts              37       10
Rushing         26-80    22-63
Pass Att       21-33-1  31-58-4
Pass Yrds        282      367
Fum-Lost         0-0      2-1
Poss            32:07    27:53

PASSING
Kelly           25-48-4 306 P
Reich            6-10-0  59

RUSHING
Thomas          11-33
Davis            6-19
Tasker           1- 9
Gardner          2- 5
Kelly            1- 4
Reed             1-(-7)

RECIEVING
Thomas          9-83
Reed            6-94 T
Lofton          6-84
Awalt           4-34
Lamb            3-39
Metzelaars      2-14
Tasker          1-17

KICKING
Christe         1F (40) 1X

GAME SUMMARY
Turnovers killed the Bills.  They managed to generate offence (464 yards total
offence), but Kelly was picked off 4 times and they lost one fumble.

Other Notes

*=Home Team
P=TD Pass Thrown
T=TD Scored
F=Field Goal Scored
X=Extra Point Scored

Compliments of:
MJHeil
sport@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bermanisms
Keywords: Chris Berman
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:34:10 GMT
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717

Hey!  I have had this idea for a long time, and I think that there are
finally enough people out there that appreciate Chris Berman to do
this...so here goes.  I want to compile a list of all the Bermanisms, 
sport is not essential.  I want as mant ACTUAL Bermanisms as you guys
& gals, can come up with.  I will then compile the list and mail it to
anyone that wants it as time permits.  I don't care what sport, I want
all of ther Bermanisms that you can remember.  And PLEASE, don't send me
any of your own...I want only authenti Bermanisms.

Thanks in advance...

Sean 


-- 
  =========================================================================
     Sean Reid                  ||   "F...You're a gimp." 
     Dept. of Computer Science  ||                 - Wayne Campbell 
     Montana State University   ||  **** GO COWBOYS!!!!!!! ****
From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles/Cowboys (Re: EAGLES WILL GO 16-0 IF ANYONE DOES)
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:56:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct2.142756.20133@athena.mit.edu> centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam) writes:
>Hell, everybody's predicting scores for this game.
>So what the heck, here's my bound-to-fail prediction.
>
>	Philadelphia	34
>	Dallas		20
>
>And here's how they'll score quarter by quarter!  Ha! Ha! Ha!
>No one else has predicted that yet have they, eh????
>
>	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4
>------|------|-------|-------|--------
>Eagles|	14   |	10   | 	7    | 	3    |
>Dallas|	3    | 	10   | 	0    |	7    |
>--------------------------------------
>
>Looking into my cracked crystal ball...

Question: Do you have a life?

advice: why dont you get one for christ's sake!!

prediction of game score is as far as it goes, and now you come up
with scoring in each quarter and a description. How stupidly
enthusiastic can people get....

anway, my prediction 

EAGLES: 24
COWBOYS: 20