HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:36:07 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Nov17.090325.10800@wixer.cactus.org> guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.215112.15463@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>>: >   In  response,  and  I  draw  from  memory  of the conversation
>>: >   [with the police officer],  Child molestation   and  pedophiles   are
>>: >   a   well-organized  group   both  nation-wide  and internationally.
>>
>>According to some people from the UK - pedophilia seems to be fairly
>>well established there. It is not in the US.
>>
>>Here in the US - most child molesters are relatives of the child, usually
>>the father or uncle. There are no organized groups anywhere in the world,
>>that has been documented.
>Our local news here in Austin reported that most child molesters make
>contact with other child molesters on "computer bulletin boards." Now
>we're worse than the "hackers" they're always reporting on, we may just
>be child molesters too. Hide your modem!


Just around the corner from me, earlier this year, they arrested a child
molester who was meeting his victims through BBS systems.  As I remember
there were at least two accounts of rape of a child against him.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: news@news.cecer.army.mil (Net.Noise owner)
Subject: green golfballs?
Summary: Green Golfballs = UL?
Keywords: green golf balls
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:02:40 GMT

In rec.humor I repeately read about the "green golf ball" joke.
It seems to be something that everyone knows (wants to know)
but that no one wants to repeat, or lost the original and it's 
too complex to really remember, etc...

Is this the beginning of another UL?

They've done everything but blame it on a FOAF...
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: Eton Ben-Ami <ebenami@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:35 PST
Subject: Re: Courgettes (was Re: doggy style
Nf-ID: #R:bu.edu:100619:cdp:1304000005:000:294
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ebenami    Nov 19 21:35:00 1992


An IFOAIF (Imaginary Friend of an Imaginary Friend) once told that during a
drunken soiree in 1950's, John Cameron Swavey took up a dare, placing his 
trusty Timex in a condom and ...

When the emergency room surgeon removed it, he was reported to have said,
"And it's still ticking!"

-- Etan

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: nolan@twg.com (!Hrolf Kraki)
Subject: Re: UL in a Time Warp!
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Northwestern Saga, Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:13:39 GMT


In article <CINDY.92Nov15210733@solan10.solan.unit.no>, cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
[stuff]
|>You know, if i didn't know better, i would swear i was being mocked.

Chill out and smoke a herring.

--
Nolan "Man enough to do woman's work" Hinshaw
Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197	

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: furrfu??
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:57:15 GMT

manley@optilink.COM (Terry Manley) writes:
: In article <1992Nov18.002046.754@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: 
: What in Terry's name are you talking about? Rot only rotates the
: characters A-Z and a-z.  I'll say it again: IT DOES NOT DO ANYTHING
: WITH ANY OTHER SYMBOL. Warren asked why a message that contains a
: number, i.e "42" or "666", does not get changed to 42+13.  There are
: two problems here: one, numbers do not get rotated, two, if they did
: it would be on a per character basis - you wouldn't add 13 to it. 

You are right - I misread the posting.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers
From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: CDs cheaper to make than cassettes?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:50:23 GMT

In <1992Nov18.202016.24690@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>: 
>: designs (note, most of the cheap 386SX designs *solder* the CPU chip in!),
>: but also in that Kingston board for use in upgrading a 286 machine to a
>: 486 albeit only 16 megs of memory maximum.  (This 16-bit 486SX chip,
>: the 386SX, and the 80286 all have the 16-meg limit due to the 16-bit memory
>: buss.)

>Why is it due to the buss? You can only directly select 64K locations with
>a 16 bit word. Multiply that by 8 bits (for 8 bit words) and you come up
>to less than 1/2 meg as the direct limit.

Nope. With a 16-bit word, you can select 2^16 locations, 64K, as you said.
But 24 bits can select 2^24 locations, which equals 16 meg, which I suspect
the first poster meant.

OK now?

Daniel.
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From: twcaps@dante.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Soldiers breaking step across bridge
Date: 15 Nov 1992 22:39:25 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.13.76

vkochend@nyx.cs.du.edu (vance kochenderfer) writes:
  
  +Perhaps the architect neglected to include the weight of drunken
  +partygoers in his calculations...   and then he killed himself.
  +
  +Vance "shouldn't this be in the FAQ?" Kochenderfer

Sorry Vance, this is too weird for the FAQ.

Terry "Accuracy in USENET Rep" Chan
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Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Snuff film?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 12:36 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

> It seems like people who deny the existence of snuff films have forgotten 
> about Faces of Death.While no one (that I know of) was killed for the purpose 
> of the videos, it certainly shows people dying.

Cripes, there's enough footage of that variety to fill a mausoleum.  We're
a rather bloody species and a lot of us have had cameras rolling while this
axiom was demonstrated.  Nothing extraordinary about that.

For bandwidth preservation purposes, a special, restrictive definition of
"snuff" has been evolved and placed in the AFU FAQ, along with some of the
reasoning and argumentation behind it.  As I understand it, a film isn't
up to snuff unless killing is performed rather than simulated (AFU readers
and police agencies alike would love to see the proof).  Further, it must
be done on purpose (if Spielberg had included the deaths of Vic Morrow and 
the kid in "The Twilight Zone," that wouldn't constitute snuff) especially
for the film (no "Faces of Death," news footage, etc.) and released for the
purirent interests of others (as opposed to a sicko's, er, private scrapbook).

If you think you know of a film which can run that gauntlet, let's hear it.
Thus far, nothing has.

Joe "What Terry Chan said, monkey boy" Chew
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the CIA (was Question)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:50:11 GMT

pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
: 
: Similarly, German researchers debunked the monkey virus myth in 1988 (I will
: bring the date of the New Africa magazine which has the story). Further more
: an high powered group of German scientists undertook a trip to the Ituri rain
: forest where models had 'shown' the aids virus to have originated. 
: 
: Having nailed the source of the virus to village in Zaire where the virus had
: to have begun, they proceede to test all 15000 pygmies they found there for
: the virus. They zero (0) infected with it.

Do you know how much chance there would be of finding the original source?
Absolutely zero. For one thing, the virus mutates too rapidly - so you cannot
follow pure strains. For another, it has been around sinc the 1950s. It has
had far too many years to spread. There is no way to determine the origination
to more precision than being from a general area of a continent, if even that
much accuracy is possible.

So, how did these German "researchers" determine which villiage had to be
the source? I am curious about their methods and "reasoning".

To me, the results just show that the idiots got their "models" wrong.

It proves nothing else, except that the Pygmies of the area apparently are
not infected - at least, with the viral varieties that they were looking
for.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Soldiers breaking wind (Was Re: Soldiers breaking step across bridge)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:21:59 GMT

michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu (michael dale townsend) writes:
: 
: My experience with this was in the marching band.  One of the bowl games
: had the parade route go over a suspension bridge.  We had about 250
: marchers, and the tempo of our steps was about 150 stomps/minute.  The
: bridge did start oscillating, and the vertical displacement was about
: 1/3 of a meter.  By the time the woodwinds at the back of the line went
: across, they were being tossed up around worse than we were.  Since they
: were half-drunk woodwind players, they did lose their footing and it
: helped dampen the bridge.  We were all thinking of that Tocama Narrows
: Bridge film that we had seen in physics.  All of the mechanical and
: civil engineers in the band were talking about elasticity of steel and
: all that.  It was pretty scary.  The bridge was the four lane bridge
: with steel grates in the center that went over some body of water.  I
: can't even remember the town now, but it was the Gator Bowl, so I think
: it was Daytona.  If any of you are from Daytona, it was the big blue
: bridge.  I can't imagine who would plan a parade route over a bridge. .

The trouble with marching in step is that it would NOT create the
oscillations. It would create an impulse load, but not induce oscillations.
Now, if the step was rippled - for example, the first line steps, then the
second line .... then the last line - that could set up an oscillation that
would build up. It still would be impossible to sustain it to a high enough
amplitude to damage the bridge - footing would be impossible.

Bill
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From: styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo)
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Reply-To: styri@nta.no
Organization: Bohemians and Globetrotters, Unlimited
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 08:52:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.205342.1592@dct.ac.uk>, Angus M. Marshall writes:
>
> Someone tried that earlier this year in Dundee. They pulled the ATM out of the
> wall of the bank and loaded it onto a flatbed truck. Unfortunately, about a
> mile down the road they took a corner a little too fast and the ATM fell off
> into the middle of the road. Police recovered it the next day. Guess those
> machines must be buit pretty well. (Better 'n the walls!).

"Hello, I'd like to report an ATM machine in the middle of the road. [...]
 Ok, I see. You'll pick it up tomorrow. Thanks, have a good night."

(Could be true. Last time my flat was burgled the police asked me over the
 phone to look for evidence myself and call back if I found any.)

---
YuNoHoo   "they emptied my bar and made a mess of my flat, 
           just like all my friends"
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From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.med
Subject: Re: Smoke cigarettes -- leave early!
Keywords: Park all day here, they never check
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:58:56 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <lh07esINN493@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton) writes:
>But my question is, overlooking the flaws in the model, 
>what is the value of 'N'?    I.e. can we say that 365 ciggies a day
>takes 1 year off your life, so each cig is worth a day.  
>

I would have thought that smoking 365 cigarettes in a single day
would shorten one's life by rather more than a year.

But then, I lead a quiet life.

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley
-- 
All just the opinions of pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Puff the Magic Dragon (was Calvin/Hobbes...)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:25:06 GMT

pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins) writes:
: 
: And, in fact, it was _written_ by Peter Yarrow (he was in Peter Paul
: and Mary; I forget which one he was).

The male in the group who was not Paul Stukey.

Bill "Sheesh" Nelson
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com (Bruce Tindall)
Subject: The Empress is Dead
Originator: sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:15:10 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


Tomorrow (Nov. 17) is the 196th anniversary of the death of
Catherine the Great.  That's all I have to say; it should be
sufficient to start a thread of several months' duration.

Bruce "I heard she was nagged to death" Tindall

-- 
Bruce Tindall, Core Testing Mgr., SAS Institute Inc., Cary, N.C. 27513
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.nude
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: Driving without shoes
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:06:47 GMT


In article <cording.722356418@sorokin>, cording@sorokin.anu.edu.au (Dean Cording) writes:
>The reason for wearing shoes when driving is that there is a nerve running
>along the bottom of your foot.  This nerve protects your foot from stepping
>on dangerous things by causing a reflex action to lift your foot up.
>When driving this reflex action can occur when you stamp your foot of the
>brakes in an emergency - as a result you in-voluntarily lift you foot
>off the brake at the time you would least want to.
>
>Driving without shoes is dangerous and the laws exist to protect you as well
>as all other road users you may have the misfortune to run into.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Dean Cording
>============================================================================

Ever wear flip-flops while driving.  There's a good reason not to.  During the
summer, I almost always drive barefoot, except to and from work (bleeh:-)  And
I only wear flip-flops.

As anyone who has taken an advanced first aid class (Accident Management or
EMT) will tell you, there are very few accidents which require getting out so
quickly that you can't put your shoes back on.  And in most of those
(submergence) shoes do little or no good.

This summer, I drove up and down Haleakala and to Hana and back, barefoot.  I
would have rather done the latter nude  :-)
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: alt.skeptical.inquirier
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:15:55 GMT
Keywords: CSICOP

In <16NOV199221354710@csa3.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:

    No, that's "The Courgette" -- it's a ladies' lap dog (properly
    the Welsh Courgette) and you don't EVEN want to know why its owner
    was admitted to the hospital.

No, that's a type of car which one may not drive barefoot (you don't
want to know what happened when someone stopped short in one).
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: "Microwave in Use"
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 07:58:22 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <HERMIT.92Nov14011050@am.ucsc.edu> hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes:
>Why do some places (notably at the local county government building
>and at the university) have a sign that says "Microwave in Use"
>outside of rooms where a microwave oven is?  It's like a warning, or
>something, but why would we need a warning?  Microwave ovens don't
>cause any harmful radiation outside of the oven, do they?  And being
>outside of the room isn't going to make a big difference, is it?
>
>This may just be a California thing; have people elsewhere seen this
>sort of thing?

I believe that such warnings are mandatory in the state of Massachusetts.
The "experts" claim that old and/or well used microwave ovens can disrupt
pacemakers and cause damage to soft tissues such as the eyes and testicles.

Your mileage may vary.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Urban Legends in the Popular Media
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:50:52 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

In article <27614@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>Here's a pretty good column on urban legends which some may find
>interesting.  There's a bit on urban legends and JHB's forthcoming
>book.  It's from a section of Keay Davidson's "Down to a Science"
>column in the Friday, November 20, 1992 _San Francisco Examiner_
>(which, in true net fashion, is entered without permission).
>Davidson is the Examiner's science writer.
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  DOESN'T RING TRUE:  Recently I heard a story about doctors in New
>York who are offering an unusual form of plastic surgery:  earlobe
>repair.  According to the story, thieves in the Big Apple have grown
>so bold that they snatch earrings from women's earlobes, tearing the
>skin.  Being a skeptical sort, I immediately thought:  "_That_ sounds
>like an urban legend."
>

[and so on...]

It may or may not be true, but why the need for plastic surgery afterwards. I
know three people (two female, one male) who have had earrings torn out (by
accident: the bloke forgot to take his off before playing rugby(!)), and in
all three cases the result was a simple longitudinal tear in the lobe which
healed quickly and more-or-less scarlessly. You'd have to be some kind of dumb
to pay a surgeon to do something your body will do for itself in a week or
two... (still, now that men are having pectoral and bicep implants, I suppose
anything is possible...).

Later,

The Wisp. [I wonder if they burst at altitude...]
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: dlphknob@cs1.bradley.edu (Jemaleddin Cole)
Subject: Re: Origin of Calvin & Hobbes 
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:11:47 GMT

In <1992Nov20.083107.1212@mwk.uucp> gleason@mwk.uucp writes:

>> Since Calvin is solitary, nasty, brutish, and short is there really a 
>> need to ask?
>  Wasn't it "nasty, British, and short" ?  ;-)

Yup, just like most of England.... =-)
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: phil@rahul.net (Phil Gustafson)
Subject: Re: alt.skeptical.inquirier
Keywords: CSICOP
Organization: a2i network
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:46:11 GMT

In article <16NOV199221354710@csa3.lbl.gov> jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera) writes:
>
>No, that's "The Courgette" -- it's a ladies' lap dog (properly
>the Welsh Courgette) and you don't EVEN want to know why its owner
>was admitted to the hospital.

Didn't Catherine the Great have one?

-- 
Phil Gustafson <phil@rahul.net>
From: bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Scearce)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: LSD Laced Lick-on Tattoos
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:55:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sector7g

In article 15943@serveme.chi.il.us, joeg@gagme.chi.il.us (joe grosch) writes:
> I've even gone so far as offer my kids $10.00 if they find any [lick-on
> tattoo LSD].

If they find some blotter acid with pictures, you might have a hard
time convincing them you're not splitting hairs by not paying them.

Brian "What'll you give me for this syringe, Dad?" Scearce
---
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              The above does not necessarily represent Sun policy.
                  "You can't fit the truth on a t-shirt, man."
                                 "That'd fit."
From: klg@panda.mc.duke.edu (Kim Greer -- rjj)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Legal Tender
Date: 15 Nov 92 18:43:19 GMT
Organization: Duke University

In article <27465@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>
>  +>This sounds like an UL to me. Terry, can you do a search of Lexus?
>
>thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>  
>  +Heck, why stop there?  Search to Infiniti!
>
>But is it any more Acurate?
>
   So much so that it has become a Legend.

kg
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: Tomorrow's Conspiracy Theory, brought to you today.
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:44:00 GMT

dpm1960@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (snopes) writes:

>It was designed that way, and it works very well.  The electoral college
>prevents candidates who do not enjoy broad popular support from winning
>national elections, thus eliminating the possibility of a crank with a huge 
>regional following ascending to the White House.

Gee, I thought it was because the upper (and upper middle) class snobs who
wrote the constitution wanted to give power to the masses, but not _too_
much.  If the great unwashed voted for somebody who was obviously wrong, the
upper class `Electoral College'' could set things right.

That's in contrast to parlimentary democracies where they actually have to
control the reporting of the votes in the media.

OBConspiracy Theory: Prove that they don't make up the vote counts!  With a
secret ballot, how can you be sure _your_ vote was counted?

[Note to the humour impaired: No - I don't believe any of this stuff either]

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com
(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
I used to homebrew computers, now I homebrew beer.  Is this progress?
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