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From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: An end to "Voting Analysis"
Organization: The Great Beast 666
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:59:52 GMT

eager@eagercon.com writes:
>There has been nothing new said in this thread for an eon.  I'm sure
>that Eric has "proved" his point.  Anything that anyone may have said
>which appeared to contradict him is surely based on either misquoting
>him (go back and read 6 weeks and 6Mb of deathless prose) or on not
>understanding the sheer simplicity of his argument.  Eric has kept 
>this thread going in its remarkable fashion with an amazing degree of
>perseverance and I think we should all express our gratitude for it.
>
>And how about them Cubs?
>
>---
>Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
>Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
>1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141

Dunno. How about them A's? *sigh* I'm glad I live in a town that has a team
which finally won the fucking series. Broke my heart when Buckner dropped
the ball in the last game in '86, guess it was - confirmed the Red-Sox-Curse,
that they'll give you damned good cliffhangers to the 11th inning of the 7th
game of the World Series every time, but NEVER WIN, *augghh*. Kinda
despiriting. They think so too, probably why it is that way for them.

I'm lazy enough to use this space to tell you, Mike - I'll get to the
Ecphorizer stuff this weekend, but we'll have to keep in touch about my
access to a net anywhere, since by 4 December or sooner I won't have this
site's resources. I'll get on The Well, but don't yet have a Unix box, if
I need one - so I may have to drive down again to Palo Alto at 95 MPH,
and pick up more comm software. I have SCO Unix on diskettes, but no disk
space for it and a second system, until I get reemployed, bucks and crazy
enough to spring for a 2.8G drive - whoa - getting ahead of myself. An EISA
PC to run Unix on'd be nice - well. Money, money. Gotta conserve what I get
left over here, as have no savings and debts up the ass. Ooops.

-ecsd
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:53:51 -0500 
From: David O Hunt <bluelobster+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: grad students killing professors
	<1992Nov21.092642.8075@tfs.com>

Eric C.S. Dynamic <ecsd@tfs.com> writes:
>David O Hunt <bluelobster+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>>On 19-Nov-92 in Re: grad students killing p..
>>user Eric C. S. Dynamic@tfs.c writes:
>>>By the time I left RPI, I'd roomed with a guy who was in exactly this bind;
>>>but it'd only been 4 years for him.
>>
>>I expect that my total sojourn in grad school will be 4-5 years.
>
>This was 4 years trying to do the dissertation, all else complete.

I'll have a 1.5 year Masters, and an approximately 3 year PhD.

>>I have no problem with putting my advisor's name first - he is, after all,
>>the _principal investigator_, and is funding me.  If, however, he wanted
>>SOLE credit, then I'd have a serious beef.
>
>I guess my point is, first author, yet not one word contributed?
>So, if my father is Fred Ferd, and I write a book, I credit it
>"Fred Ferd & Eric Dynamic"?? You put these people in the Credits,
>not on the front page. Thanks to my father, Fred Ferd, for enabling me . . .

Yeah yeah.  He edited, helped me rewrite, etc.  If he had not said one
word, then I'd be pissed - I see your point.  He knows MUCH more
about submitting than I do, and he did do a significant amount of
rewriting, so...he's an author.

As to getting credit - in the listings I'm generally mentioned as
well.  Is this different in your field?


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From: sonic@bearpit.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Subject: Re: hello
Reply-To: sonic@bearpit.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:46:21 CST

In article <corey.0fb6@amiganet.chi.il.us>, corey@amiganet.chi.il.us 
(Corey Sweeney) writes:
|>Would someone like to tell me what mensa does?

Why, we actively discuss whatever seems to interest us at any given moment,
have rambunctious parties and flame each other at times for (sometimes) no
apparent reason.  In our spare time, we foster bigotry everywhere and are 
the root cause for all discrimination in the world today (according to a
verbose net-nerd).

Seriously though, the first sentence is generally correct.  The second isn't
generally correct.  Mensa also supports research into intelligence (including
teh definition thereof, I assume) and gives scholarships to people persuing
related fields.  In the end, it's usually what you make of it....

|>--------------------------------------------------------------------
|>Corey Sweeney
|>corey@amiganet.chi.il.us
|>I do not own a amiga!
      
Neither do I.

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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: t: Moral Kiosk (a test)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:50:46 GMT

In article <9211141954.AA09852@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us> tai@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us (Scott Andrew Tai) writes:
>
>I'm here not either to amuse you or enjoy your society.
>

I'm not convinced of the latter, but you're absolutely right about the
former.

GMS
From: psyline@psyline.nl (Theo Bogels)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: IG in Flevohof
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:46:06 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: PsyLine * Nijmegen * The Netherlands.

mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:

> I believe that it is true.  I think that there is a positive correlation
> between science-fiction enjoyment and intelligence.  Also, you'll find a
> higher-than-average percentage of Mensans and Mensa eligible people in the

Is there any research on that? I doubt it.
**Theo

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From: scott@bogus.net.address (Scott Tai)
Subject: t: Re: t: social rejection
Reply-To: scott@bogus.net.address (Scott Tai)
Organization: Dorothea Dix Hospital
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:19:02 GMT


mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
: scott@bogus.net.address (The Great Brain) wrote:
: > mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
: > : scott@bogus.network.address (Scott Tai) wrote:
: > : > mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
: > : > : When the author of a message has a history of falsification and lies, the
: > : > : message should be judged by its author as well as by its contents.  When
: > : > : the author of a message makes himself the subject of criticism, then
: > : > : criticism of him is not out of order.
: > : > 
: > : > How can you deliberately get up such paltry falsehoods?  I have been so
: > : > far forbearing with you, sir; not that I was ignorant of your miserable,
: > : > degraded character, but I felt you were only partly responsible for
: > : > that; and some of the others on rec.org.mensa wishing to keep up your
: > : > acquaintance, I acquiesced--foolishly.  Your presence on r.o.m is a 
: > : > moral poison that would contaminate the most virtuous.
: > : 
: > : Sigh, and I thought that you were recovering so nicely; then we see the
: > : above evidence of a relapse.  Well, one can only hope that the relapse is
: > : just a temporary setback in your road to recovery.  Hurry up and get well
: > : soon.
: > 
: > Could you believe in the existence of such a colossal dunce?  You
: > will be good enough to understand that I reject any pretense at
: > kindness you have the hypocrisy to offer!  I will have nothing to
: > say to you!
: 
: Is that a promise?


--
Scott Andrew Tai

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From: skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum)
Subject: Re: _Vidya_
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:54:00 GMT


>From: John Cooley <jcooley@miracle.com>
>Message-ID: <16Nov92113629@miracle.com>
>
>OK, I'll bite.  What's a "_Vidya_" ?

Journal of the Triple Nine Society.
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From: edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Subject: Re: Voting Analysis
Reply-To: edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:14:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.010841.27155@eagercon.com>, eager@eagercon.com
(Michael J. Eager) writes:

>Eric, you have postulated that voting does not send any kind of a message
>and that not voting sends a message.

I said that voting does not send any message the subject wants to send. 
(I defined the subject and their goals in the first article of the
"Voting Analysis" thread.)  I did not say that voting does not send
_any_ kind of a message.

>Your claims of who is
>the recipient of the message shifts each time someone responds to you.

The only specific example I recall having given in the "Voting Analysis"
thread is members of the libertarian party.  Can you show where I have
given another example?  Even if multiple recipients exist, what is the
problem with that?  I see no reason several people cannot receive the
same message.  Can you demonstrate specific examples of my text which
you claim is in error in some way?

>If you are trying to convince people not to vote, then all that were 
>convinced have been.  If you were trying to convince people that by voting
>that they were actually doing something horrible, against their best interest,
>then you have convinced all you are likely to convince.

I stated my thesis clearly; it is the last sentence of the article with
which I initiated the "Voting Analysis" thread:

	I merely wish to prove that there is at least one
	situation in which it is an intelligent
	choice, for some people, not to vote.


 >If you are trying
>to convince people that you really understand information theory, . . .

That is an ad hominem attack; it is irrelevant to the discussion.  I
request that you observe etiquette and refrain from comments about the
authors.

>The election is over; the subject is dead.

I was unaware that the election just past was the final one and that it
would therefore be useless to do anything about future elections or
other politics.


                                -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
                                "Always mount a scratch monkey."
                                edp@rusure.enet.dec.com
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From: casey@cwis.unomaha.edu (Diana Casey)
Subject: Scholarship Applications
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:29:42 GMT

Hey Everyone!!!!

It's that time of year again . . . time to apply for the 
fabulously exciting Mensa Scholarship Program . . .
Your chances of receiving a scholarship are better than
you think. . . if you apply.  

For an application, send a SASE to:

    Diana Casey--R. 7 Chair
    8106 S. 49th Ave.
    Omaha, NE  68157-2915
    
If you have a question about the general and special 
scholarships available, write to the above address 
(remember to enclose a SASE or a SAS postcard) or send
your question to:

     casey@cwis.unomaha.edu
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From: sonic@bearpit.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Subject: Re: Special Interest Groups
Reply-To: sonic@bearpit.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:53:10 CST

In article <1JcHuB3w165w@stam.nl>, nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp) writes:
|>dobbs@ast.saic.com (Lynn Dobbs) writes:
|>
|>> In article <9oHFuB4w165w@stam.nl> nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp) 
|>> writes:
|>> >matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford) writes:
|>> >
|>> >> > And while we are at it. Why not start an 
|>> >> > Internet SIG (Special Internet Group :-) that you can join when 
|>> >> > you have an @ address or are able to post on the 'net?
|>> >> 
|>> >> Excellent.  Call it @SIG.  Let me look for my old paperwork on
|>> >> starting SIGs ...
|>> >
|>> >And of course organize @-parties at gatherings :-)
|>> >
|>> >
|>> How about t-shirts with a large @ on the front.
|>
|>Have @-address on our name-tags.Drink virtual beer and eat virtual 
|>munchies. What shall we put on the back of the T-shirt?
|>Have @address, will travel virtual.

Great!  We can have a whole line of net-wear.....

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From: nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: RE. IG in Flevehoff
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 11:23:09 CET
Organization: Stam Tijdschriften bv, Rijswijk, The Netherlands

wicks@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:

> < So did anyone go to the Ig in Flevehoff
> <did you enjoy yourself.
> Yes I didd go to the IG in Flevehoff and the IBD meeting in Amsterdam
> Flevehoff had may 200 attendees from about 20 countries. It was different
> and a lot of fun. The park bungalows were not the best possible
> accomodation. Did meet some of the E mail people including Nico Veenkamp,
> who wrote under this heading. Nico was busy. I got a chance to speak to him w
> I don't think I saw him at my talk, but we didd have a long chat later.
> It was quite a good gathering. I am looking forward to the International
> gathering in 1994, and the 50th anniversary celebrations in 1996.

Helping organizing a meeting like this always keeps you busy as probably 
everyone knows that has ever organized some. And no I couldn't be at your 
talk alas but I was glad to have had the opportunity to talk to you 
later.

Glad you liked what we did. We got a lot of appreciation for our efforts. 
Could you please e-mail me or Godwin the problems you had with the 
bungalows, so we may take care of it for meetings to come.


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From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
Subject: Re: ig in flevehof
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:23:59 GMT

Getting a stamp commissioned is a good idea.  We can
try it.  Thanks for the idea!
--
Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)
"The true University of these days is a Collection of Books." 
                                           --Carlyle
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Subject: Re: grad students killing professors
From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:51:07 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Keywords: need info

While I was at Cal I heard of grad student that lost a scholarship.
He knocked off the guy who got it, a couple of other folks, and
himself.  Think that was about four or five years back.

                                -- Nick

(Interesting hobby you have there...)

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From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Subject: Re: Tired of Tai
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:12:46 GMT

In article <16Nov92123936@miracle.com> sue@miracle.com writes:
>What's going on here?
>
>I disappeared about 3 or 4 _months_ ago, being tired of all the fluff,
>mostly regarding Scott Tai.  Now, I finally pick up this newsgroup
>again, and find that you people are still squabbling over him!  Aren't
>there more important, or at least more interesting, things to post about?

No, of course not.  Scott Tai is a God, and therefore there is no
other subject more fascinating.

>
>Somebody Email me in another few months, and let me know if it's quieted
>down..

Not.  Check it yourself. 

>
>Until then...
>
>
>
>- Sue -
>
>
>P.S. - It isn't that I have anything against Scott Tai, but hasn't this
>been going on long enough?

As is a God, it will go on forever.
From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: RE. IG in Flevehoff
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:17:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: miracle.16Nov92111755
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

wicks@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
>< So did anyone go to the Ig in Flevehoff
><did you enjoy yourself.
>Yes I didd go to the IG in Flevehoff and the IBD meeting in Amsterdam
>Flevehoff had may 200 attendees from about 20 countries. It was different
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Only 200 attendees?  We get more than that for our RG's!

I guess a lot of people decided that it cost too much to
go to Flevehoff!

                                          - John


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From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: hello
Organization: The Great Beast 666
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:43:10 GMT

>Brian McBean effuses:
>>corey@amiganet.chi.il.us (Corey Sweeney) writes:
>>> Would someone like to tell me what mensa does?
>>They test to see if you do well on iq tests.  If you do, then you are
>>eligible to become a member!  What do members do?  On this newsgroup,
>>they tend to solve puzzles and argue with Scott Tai.  Neat, huh?
>>Brian McBean  -  McBeanB@BrandonU.Ca

cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA) writes:
>How cute! Brian sounds impressed. Puzzles really aren't all that difficult,
>Brian, with luck maybe you'll solve one too, someday.
>
>As for arguing with Scott Tai, he isn't all that fearsome. Chat him up
>sometime. If things don't go well, you can always fetch daddy like you did 
>before.

Hmm. Could offer my usual "leave XX to me", and if he's been reading here,
yes, he ought to know how treacherous I can be. Franklin and I have made up,
more or less, I guess. Tai is a true human being. So maybe Brian can come
around too - meaning, key kid, how 'bout, shut up and read for a while, and
come back and say something smart, and show us you're NOT a fool, at least
to begin with - and then you can lapse into whatever dysfunctional mode you
prefer. I enjoy my {self-assigned} role as "the policer of snipes", so give
me half a chance (and a subscription to The Well) and I'll sharpen my teeth
on you. You luck out; can't be using alcohol anymore to do flames, but I have
just as wicked a style using other substances - so - tread lightly; I carry
a bigger stick than you do.

"Daddy?" If he isn't you doing a pretend, I'll be polite to him; but some day,
you might ask him why people here have fun torturing you. It's just a social
group, dude; why be stupid and walk into a black festival and shout "blacks
are XYZ! Ha Ha Ha!" - and, uh, especially if you aren't black. Hint, hint.
Unless you - paid your dues. But then why point a finger? Some nice Mensa
girl might just fuck your brains out, if you don't tell her up front that
her membership is meaningless . . . and you don't have to be a member of Mensa,
to know that - that you might prefer a member to play with your member, than
dismember you. Members remember members - so why *aren't* you a member?
Or are you.
From: nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: IG in Flevohof
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 10:30:30 CET
Organization: Stam Tijdschriften bv, Rijswijk, The Netherlands

psyline@psyline.nl (Theo Bogels) writes:

> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
> 
> > I believe that it is true.  I think that there is a positive correlation
> > between science-fiction enjoyment and intelligence.  Also, you'll find a
> > higher-than-average percentage of Mensans and Mensa eligible people in the
> 
> Is there any research on that? I doubt it.
> **Theo
> 
No Theo, there probably isn't any research done on the subject. Or will 
be, I think. But in my own experience I find people that love science 
fiction are open minded, prone to think things through lateraly, love new 
ideas etc. Also you will find terrible bores within fandom. All in all a 
good description of Mensa too. (IMHO, TINAR, YMMV etc.)


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From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: IG in Flevohof
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:21:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: miracle.16Nov92112122
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

nicolas@stam.nl (Nico Veenkamp) writes:

>You can imagine the surprise. I know both of them through involvement in 
>organizing science fiction conventions. I noticed that people within the 
>science fiction community tend to have a higher Mensa potential than 
>other groups I work with. I am not sure if this is true or not but that 
>is my impression.

  I think your impressions are correct.  A lot of Sci-Fi people
  tend to also qualify to be Mensans I've found.  In addition,
  many of the people from the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA)
  also tend to qualify.

  I guess it takes a little more than average brain power to put
  such personal energy into "alternate" worlds (Sci-Fi & SCA), and
  hence the tendency to draw Mensa calibur people.

  Another note, the people I've met from these two social groups also
  tend to be the fun ones to hang out with at parties many times! :^)

                                               - John Cooley
                                                 LocSec, Boston Mensa


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