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From: fenris@cibbs.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Re: Qb window routines   
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 22:04:19 EST
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 -=> Quoting Jon Arnold to All <=-

 JA> I've been using Turbo Basic for a long time, and have made a lot of
 JA> use of a package called Turbo Windows with it.  It allows you to define
 JA> windows, titles, shading, text within the window, etc.  I want to
 JA> switch over to QuickBasic (since Borland no longer sells or supports
 JA> TB), but I need a similar tools package for QB, as the Turbo Windows
 JA> routines make specific use of certain things that QB doesn't support.

 JA> Any suggestions; commercial, shareware, or PD?

For a good Quick Basic Source call 416-538-7911 (14400V42) and logon as
guest. As I said in an earlier message, my collection of Quick Basic stuff
has been mostly uploaded there, I think that currently there is 4 meg of
libraries and programs.

I have about another 3 meg to upload... I hate 2400 baud.

Fenris



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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: Creation of comp.lang.basic?
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:56:36 GMT

John Villalovos (villalj@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU) wrote:
: Does anyone know what happened to the creation of the comp.lang.basic newsgroup?
: I have been waiting for when a vote would be called but I haven't seen anything.

Well, I posted the RFD, and got swamped with work when the discussion
period was over.  Then the news.announce.newgroups moderator went on
vacation (until Monday or so), so I'll probably post a CVF in the near
future.
--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug

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From: maurice.dion@synapse.org (Maurice Dion) 
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: music in basic
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:07:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: maurice.dion@synapse.org (Maurice Dion) 

TO:Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
FROM: maurice.dion.@synapse.org


G}If there are any suggestions regarding simple music programs I would
 }appreciate it.  I know of Cubase, but it is a little more than I
 }needs and cost about $300.


You may want to try getting a program that I made some tests with and
found to be easy to use after a while. I out of this now but who knows,
maybe in the future. Get ANSIPL20.ZIP and enjoy.I hope this helps.


. 41-4341 OLX3 . Moe from Ottawa, where many problems are created,
        prepared this message at  10:45:38 hrs  on  12/21/92.
                                           
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: robin@vipunen.hut.fi (Jarto 'Robin' Tarpio)
Subject: I need a routine to print text at pixel positions. PDS7.1
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 1 Jan 93 17:00:04

The subject says almost everything. I'm developing software using EGA-
graphics screens. LOCATE can only position at 8/14 pixels, but I'd like
to position the text exactly. There's no command that could do that,
so has anybody written a assembly-routine to output text ?

PS. I need a _fast_ routine with using the standard font :-)

/robin
From: richard.vannoy@filebank.cts.com (Richard Vannoy) 
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Microsoft BASIC & Ne
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The File Bank BBS - Fallbrook, CA  619-728-4318
Reply-To: richard.vannoy@filebank.cts.com (Richard Vannoy) 

FF> I am a longtime Basic user and I just happen to work in
FF> the group that develops Microsoft Basic products (including BC7.0,
FF> BC7.1, Visual Basic for Windows, and Visual Basic for MS-DOS.) If I can
FF> get an answer to any question you have you may be assured that I will.

I was amazed when I went to a newly opened computer warehouse
type store here in San Diego.  I went to look in the compiler
section, and saw every C, C+, C++, and Pascal compiler ever
invented.  There was one copy of Microsoft VB (for DOS, I
think), way down in the back of the bottom shelf, and no
Spectra or any other BASIC products.  A chat with the salesman
revealed the shelf was as stocked as well as it would ever get
with BASIC compilers.

Is it coming down to VB for DOS, and VB for windows and NO
OTHER BASIC compilers on the planet?
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Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: wolvy@netcom.com (Wolverine)
Subject: Re: Qbasic, getting 132 columns
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:15:11 GMT

rice@ttd.teradyne.com writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.040418.11296@netcom.com>, wolvy@netcom.com (Wolverine) writes:
>> I have been using Qbasic 4.5 for many years (and basics before it).
>> I had written a pretty good descript.ion editor for 4dos and was in
>> the process of revising it for the 120 limit of descriptions.  
>> But, there has been no way that I have found out to obtain a 132
>> column mode in Qbasic 4.5.  I can only assume that there might be
>> a library or something out there that can do this.  If you can help
>> me, please email me at wolvy@netcom.com or post here.
>> Any help would be most appreciative.
>> p.s.  I have been using QB45 for a long time and could offer my
>> assistance to anyone needing it. (I've delt with ALOT of quirks
>> in dealing with various problems related to get power out of a
>> minutely powerfull language (sarcastically spoken :) ).
>The reason for his is that 132 column mode is much hardware dependent.
>Different Video Boards have different commands to change to this mode. Without
>the right Video Hardware, you may not even be able to use 132 column mode.
>As far as Qbasic is concerned, if your variable is 132 characters wide, you can
>put 132 characters in it, regardless of the screen width, but to get the screen
>width to 132 columns, you'll have to write something to tell the video board to
>go into 132 column mode. In my system, I can use a dos command "display 132 on"
>to change video modes. This calls "display.com" to change the setup.
>From Qbasic, I would issue the command "shell display 132 on" from the program
>to cause the video to switch to 132 column mode. Similarly "shell display 132
>off", would switch the hardware back to 80 column mode.

didn't want to make this into a huge thing, but let me explain this one bit
further now.  I can switch to maximum 132 by 60 mode at dos no problem.
I can even switch the mode's in qbasic 4.5 by using a int call to the bios
through a library I have, but to actually write in these modes and have the
bios recognize it (i.e. do full scroll for 132 columns when it gets to the
end of screen, etc..) and to also use locate statements and have them read in
correctly is where I'm having my problem.  The text either wraps around at 
the 80th column instead of #132 and if you do a locate 5,1 it will be 
skewed and the actual location would be ~ 7,40 or something....

it's all because qb 4.5 has that limitation on the width command.  if it
didn't have that limitation, then there wouldn't probably be a problem.

Wonder if it's hackable :)

Thanx for all the help anyways...  but like I left the msg before this one, I 
went ahead and re-edited my programs to scroll within a section of space 
similar to the way you do it in windows.  it's not as nice, but it'll do
for the interim.
L8r
Craig



Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Power BASIC
Reply-To: Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:21:04 GMT

jarnold@tixel.mv.com (Jon Arnold) writes:

>Unfortunately, the last time I called Borland for support, they told me
>that they no longer support TB, call the PB folks.  I called PB, and they
>offer *no* upgrade policy for purchasers of the original TB; full price
>just like everyone else.  That left a bad enough taste in my mouth where
>I bought QB and am looking at VB and PDS.

Well last time I asked, there was a discount for owners of TB! That was
only a few months ago. In fact, as a registered user of Turbo BASIC, you
should have gotten a notice in the mail, offering an upgrade! (This was a
couple of years back)

>I've been happy with TB for what that's worth.  According to the
>advertising, the only thing worthwhile that PB has which TB doesn't have
>is support for "far strings", if you need that capability.

Actually there are a number of other enhancemants. One of the simplest,
yet most important (to me!) is that there's a command line compiler! So
I can call PBC from a make file.


-- 
Leonard Erickson		      leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
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(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: wolvy@netcom.com (Wolverine)
Subject: Qbasic, getting 132 columns
Summary: Need help finding 132 column mode in Qbasic 4.5
Keywords: 132, qbasic
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:04:18 GMT

I have been using Qbasic 4.5 for many years (and basics before it).
I had written a pretty good descript.ion editor for 4dos and was in
the process of revising it for the 120 limit of descriptions.  
But, there has been no way that I have found out to obtain a 132
column mode in Qbasic 4.5.  I can only assume that there might be
a library or something out there that can do this.  If you can help
me, please email me at wolvy@netcom.com or post here.
Any help would be most appreciative.
p.s.  I have been using QB45 for a long time and could offer my
assistance to anyone needing it. (I've delt with ALOT of quirks
in dealing with various problems related to get power out of a
minutely powerfull language (sarcastically spoken :) ).
Thanx
Craig
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Subject: Re: Qbasic, getting 132 columns
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 23:36:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.040418.11296@netcom.com>, wolvy@netcom.com (Wolverine) writes:
> I have been using Qbasic 4.5 for many years (and basics before it).
> I had written a pretty good descript.ion editor for 4dos and was in
> the process of revising it for the 120 limit of descriptions.  
> But, there has been no way that I have found out to obtain a 132
> column mode in Qbasic 4.5.  I can only assume that there might be
> a library or something out there that can do this.  If you can help
> me, please email me at wolvy@netcom.com or post here.
> Any help would be most appreciative.
> p.s.  I have been using QB45 for a long time and could offer my
> assistance to anyone needing it. (I've delt with ALOT of quirks
> in dealing with various problems related to get power out of a
> minutely powerfull language (sarcastically spoken :) ).

The reason for his is that 132 column mode is much hardware dependent.
Different Video Boards have different commands to change to this mode. Without
the right Video Hardware, you may not even be able to use 132 column mode.

As far as Qbasic is concerned, if your variable is 132 characters wide, you can
put 132 characters in it, regardless of the screen width, but to get the screen
width to 132 columns, you'll have to write something to tell the video board to
go into 132 column mode. In my system, I can use a dos command "display 132 on"
to change video modes. This calls "display.com" to change the setup.

From Qbasic, I would issue the command "shell display 132 on" from the program
to cause the video to switch to 132 column mode. Similarly "shell display 132
off", would switch the hardware back to 80 column mode.

The construction of the call to "shell" in Qbasic, would be dependent on your
particular hardware. It's usually a combination of both the Video Board and
the monitor in order for 132 columns to work. Some monitors don't support the
scan rate and fonts necessary to do 132, even tho the Video board may support
it.

Check the book on your video board to see if it supports 132. If so, it should
tell you how to do it from the command line. Try it. If it works, then you
should be able to use "shell ....." to do it from a Qbasic program.

   John Rice        K9IJ     |  "Did I say that ?" I must have, but It was
                             |   MY opinion only, no one else's...Especially
                             |   Not my Employer's....
   rice@ttd.teradyne.com     |   Purveyor of Miracles,Magic and Sleight-of-hand
From: jarnold@tixel.mv.com (Jon Arnold)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: QB window routines
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:40:12 GMT
Organization: 
Reply-To: jarnold@tixel.mv.com

>In article <1992Dec18.162005.14595@microsoft.com> philco@microsoft.com writes:
 > I think you just described Visual Basic for DOS pretty well!  :).
 > Seriously though, there are a number of third party libraries that
 > will do what you want including Microhelp's Muscle and Crescent
 > Software's QuickPak professional.
 >

Phillip,

No offense, and although I love Windows as much as anybody (?), this
program needs to run outside of Windows, such that it can still be used
even if (horrors!) the user doesn't use Windows.  Now if Microsoft had
some mechanism setup such that I could trade in my TB distribution disks
for a copy of VB......

Jon Arnold                        Phone: W: 603-883-1233
Nashua, New Hampshire             Fax:   W: 603-883-7350
                                         H: 603-883-6371

      "If you ain't the lead dog, the view never changes."
From: richard.vannoy@filebank.cts.com (Richard Vannoy) 
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: pds users
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The File Bank BBS - Fallbrook, CA  619-728-4318
Reply-To: richard.vannoy@filebank.cts.com (Richard Vannoy) 

FF> Just wondering how many PDS users there are, my brother has
FF> committed himself to this kit quite some time ago,

I'm using PDS because of the $99 upgrade, but actually, I'm
still using it like Quick BASIC 4.5, since I don't need ISAM,
and haven't needed any of the other neat features yet.
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From: maurice.dion@synapse.org (Maurice Dion) 
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: music in basic
Date: 26 Dec 92 14:38:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: maurice.dion@synapse.org (Maurice Dion) 

TO:Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
FROM: maurice.dion.@synapse.org


G}If there are any suggestions regarding simple music programs I would
 }appreciate it.  I know of Cubase, but it is a little more than I
 }needs and cost about $300.



Since my last message I found another version of ANSIPLAY under the file
name APLUS203 you may get it locally. I know you ask me the last time
where you could get this file and I could not find it in the local BBS
Synapse located in Gatineau Quebec, however the Sysop advised me of the
new version.
The author is:Julie M. Ibarra
              P.O. Box 710727
              Santee, CA 92072-0727
              U.S.A.
Hope this helps.


. 41-4341 OLX3 . Moe from Ottawa, where many problems are created,
        prepared this message at  14:28:00 hrs  on  12/26/92.
                                                                          
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: sci20194@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG CHIK KANG)
Subject: Basic File handling
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:28:17 GMT

I am interested in find a imple method to handle files under basic.
My application requires me to keep tracks of customer's data as well as
Invoices. How do I maintain a reasonably large database with Basic?
Especially when the data such as address contains "commas -," and
chr$(10) and chr$(13).
Another problem is that the length of each invoice is not fixed. Some
peopl buy for items than others. So obviously I couldnt use records.
I figure that binary file access is the only way. Any suggestions would
be greatly appreciated.

Another consideration is whether it is network compatible.

I am wondering if I could write the database into a DBASE compatible
file format (.DBF). anyone with any information?

Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: philco@microsoft.com (Phillip Cooper)
Subject: Re: QB window routines
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:20:05 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <724427029snx@tixel.mv.com> jarnold@tixel.mv.com writes:
>I've been using Turbo Basic for a long time, and have made a lot of use
>of a package called Turbo Windows with it.  It allows you to define
>windows, titles, shading, text within the window, etc.  I want to switch
>over to QuickBasic (since Borland no longer sells or supports TB), but
>I need a similar tools package for QB, as the Turbo Windows routines
>make specific use of certain things that QB doesn't support.
>

I think you just described Visual Basic for DOS pretty well!  :).
Seriously though, there are a number of third party libraries that
will do what you want including Microhelp's Muscle and Crescent 
Software's QuickPak professional.

>Any suggestions; commercial, shareware, or PD?
>
>Jon Arnold                        Phone: W: 603-883-1233
>Nashua, New Hampshire             Fax:   W: 603-883-7350
>                                         H: 603-883-6371
>
>      "If you ain't the lead dog, the view never changes."
>


From: galenr@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Galen Raben)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:38:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Help: WordBasic
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic

In alt.lang.basic, grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba) writes:

>So where does one turn to get help or on a forum for Word for Windows'
>WordBasic?

>George

Right here is probably a good start!  I dunno if there are any specific
groups for WordBasic, however I've heard that Visual Basic (Windows) is 
similar(??).  Perhaps one of us that is a VB programmer might be able to
help.

Several VB programmers can be found here and also in the
comp.os.ms.windows.programmer groups...

- Galen -
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
From: philco@microsoft.com (Phillip Cooper)
Subject: Re: QB window routines
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:30:32 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <BzEwHC.3KI@cscns.com> roberts@cscns.com (Robert Schoolfield) writes:
>
>Jon Arnold (jarnold@tixel.mv.com) wrote:
>
>: I've been using Turbo Basic for a long time, and have made a lot of use
>: of a package called Turbo Windows with it.  It allows you to define
>: windows, titles, shading, text within the window, etc.  I want to switch
>: over to QuickBasic (since Borland no longer sells or supports TB), but
>: I need a similar tools package for QB, as the Turbo Windows routines
>: make specific use of certain things that QB doesn't support.
>
>: Any suggestions; commercial, shareware, or PD?
>
>--
>
>I think you would really be impressed with the new PowerBASIC 3.0 from
>Spectra - they bought the Borland product.  Microsoft is not intending
>to persue upgrading the product, opting to persue the Visual BASIC event
>driven model. 

The graphical event-driven model is merely an *option* in VBDOS.  You
can use it if you want or ignore it. VBDOS will still happily compile
any "old" style basic program that PDS or Quickbasic handle now.

> It seems that PowerBASIC is poised to be the compiled BASIC of
>choice.  Highly recommended you check out the product before buying 
>QuickBASIC.  Lots of libraries available for PowerBASIC now.
> 

There are even more (many, many, more) libraries available for the MS
Basic products.  If third party support is what you are concerned about,
there is no contest.  Microsoft Basic has more support than probably all
other Basic products combined.

Phil

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From: ianst@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (Ian Staples)
Subject: Re: Has PRINT been used yet?
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:46:24 GMT

In article <724646371snx@tixel.mv.com> jarnold@tixel.mv.com writes:
>This might be more an MS/DOS question, but I'll post it here, since I'm
>trying to accomplish this using Basic.  In DOS (v5.0), the *first* time
>you go to use the PRINT command, DOS will ask you where you want the
>file printed to;  You can override this question by using the "/D:"
>switch on the PRINT command line.
>
>However, *after* the first time you print, the "/D:" switch is no longer
>valid; in fact, it generates an error message.
>
>I've got a program where I want to shell out to DOS to print a report.
>However, I don't know how to setup the program so that it will know whether
>it needs to PRINT/D: or just PRINT.  Is there an environment variable
>or something that can be examined to determine whether or not the "/D:"
>switch will be required, or if a PRINT has already been done since the
>last boot?

I used to initiate PRINT in my AUTOEXEC.BAT file, using the format
PRINT /D:prn
This approach ensured it was ready when I needed it later.

However, I then realised that PRINT was taking up a lot of memory (it's
a TSR), which is probably why you often see instructions for printing
manuals etc. in the form COPY filename PRN

Now that I'm "networked" memory is a bit short, so I've stopped using
PRINT and use COPY like everyone else.

Cheers, Ian S.

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From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: alt.lang.basic
Subject: Re: Power BASIC
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:33:39 GMT
Reply-To: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

John Strong writes:
>
>Okay, here's some more PB tidbits straight from the Zalemeister himself,
>Bob Zale.  Zale is going to be a guest in the American On-Line BASIC forum
>on the 14th of January (I'm the host).  I don't suppose that many here
>have AOL, but if there is any interest I can provide an ASCII text file of
>the evening's discussions.

Thanks for posting the list and please do post the AOL discussion if
at all possible.  

I only have two remaining question about PB 3.0:

(1) What kind of overhead do you pay for all the fancy no-limits
string handling?  I mean, do do end up with 20K executables for
any program which does non-trivial string manipulation?

(2) What does the executable code look like in relation to,
say, Borland Pascal?  Any optimizations (even if very simple)?
I have yet to see any information on this.  (It is not really
that important to me, but I'd like to be reassured that PB
generates fairly clean code.)

Otherwise, I think PB sounds like an excellent product.

--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se