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From: shimkus@athena.cs.uga.edu (Doc)
Subject: Re: All-time Red Sox team
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:05:59 GMT


I'm not gonna reprint the whole article, but how could you leave out
Jimmy Collins at 3b?  He *is* in the Hall of Fame and was one of the
best defensive 3bmen of his day. He was also the manager of the team.

Incedently, I played in an "All-timers" Strat-O-Matic league for a while
someyears ago, and this was my lineup for Boston (limited by the cards I had
available, or course):

RF Dominc Dimmagio
LF Fred Lynn
DH Ted Williams (I know, he never was one, but if they let me have it, im
LF Carl Yastrzemski            gonna take advantage of it!)
2B Rico Petrocelli (he was originally a ss/3b, but i converted him. *shrug*)
1b George Scott
3b Jimmy Collins
C  Carlton Fisk
SS John Pesky

SP:  Cy Young, Roger Clemmens, Tex Hughson, Bruce Hurst, Dennis Eckersley
RP:  Calvin Schiraldi, Tom Burgmeir, Dan Osinski, Bill Lee, Mark Clear

Again, let me stress that this lineup was limited to the best i had available
to me at the time.  The commish vetoed my bid to retain Babe Ruth from the 
Yankees on the grounds of reversing a great injustice. :) Ah, those were the
days. :)


+doc

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From: bvanhof@pvlab2.eecs.wsu.edu (Barry Vanhoff)
Subject: Re: Trivia Question
Reply-To: bvanhof@pvlab2.eecs.wsu.edu (Barry Vanhoff)
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:31:27 GMT


>> >Name the eight ways by which a batter can reach first base.
>> There are at least twelve ways:  
>> 
>> single
>> double 
>> triple
>> home run
>> walk
>> hit by pitch
>> error
>> fielder's choice
>> wild pitch on swinging 3rd strike 
>> passed ball on swinging 3rd strike 
>> catcher's interference
>> double play (e.g. 1-2-5 DP with bases loaded, 0 out; batter is on first  
>base,
>>              another runner on second base with 2 outs.)
>> 
>> and a thirteenth if you are willing to count it:  
>> 
>> triple play (e.g. 1-2-5-4 triple play with bases loaded, 0 out--batter 
>>                   reaches first base and is left on first base, inning  
>over.)
>> 
>> Any more?
>	Well, as a foolwup to #13
>groundout to 3b,SS,2b,1b,P
>fly out to LF, CF, RF, ... etc.
>He could reach on a popout too, 
>but many players don't actually get to first, 
>they start toward the dugout before the get to the base.
>I suppose there are several other variations where
>the batter reaches first, but not safely...
>
>john rickert
>rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
>

My favorite way is:

"Beam me to first base Scottie!"

--

Barry Vanhoff
bvanhof@pvlab2.eecs.wsu.edu
509-335-1437

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From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Subject: Re: SOLUTION TO DH CONTROVERSY?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:07:00 GMT

In article <1gqv5gINNb5f@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bz832@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wesley R. Kemmerlin) writes...
> 
>For about 20 years now, MLB has been split between the two
>leagues on the DH. I have a possible compromise for the two
>leagues:
> 
>The pitcher must be in the batting order, but there can be a DH
>for another position player.
> 
>This would keep the strategy of pinch-hitting or not for the
>pitcher in the game, a major disadvantage of current DH for
>anti-DH'ers.
> 
>This would also keep a better hitter in the batting order, a
>major advantage of current DH for pro-DH'ers.
> 
>So what do all of you pro and anti DH'ers think about this???

	This means that the Mets, last year, could have continued
to bat Gooden and Fernandez high in the order, and used Mackey
Sasser as the DH-Shortstop, getting Schofield OUT! of the lineup.
	Damn, it actually works!  Wow!

>-- 
>WESLEY

							Jason Miller
							"some doctor guy"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Subject: Re: All-Henderson Team;All-Jewish Team
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:19:11 GMT

In <15DEC199218194894@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> yankees@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Kenneth M Gelfand) writes:

>In article <BzB9I9.H7G@cs.uiuc.edu>, epstein@cs.uiuc.edu writes...
>>In <15DEC92.12341126@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>> 
>>>Ted Frank writes:
>>>
>>>>How about an all-Jewish team?
>>>> 
>>>>C: Moe Berg
>>>>1B: Hank Greenberg
>>>>2B: Rod Carew
>>>>SS:
>	I think, I'm not sure about this, that Andy Stankiewicz of the
>Yankees is Jewish.  I only think this because some moron called WFAN
>and said that he was a lousy recruit from the synagouge leagues.

I don't know about Andy Stankiewicz in particular, but the general
rule I know of regarding names that end in a "<witz>" sound is that if
it's spelled "...witz" it's Jewish, and if it's spelled "...wicz" it's
not Jewish (Polish, perhaps?).  Similarly, "<ski>" spelled "...sky" is
Jewish, and spelled "..ski" is not.  

Remember, these are *general* rules, so they may fail a good deal of
the time (I have no idea of the percentages).  But I'm pretty sure
that Greg Luzinski is not Jewish :-).

-- 
Milt Epstein
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
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From: ism1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (IAN SETH MILLER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mets and Yankees sign pitchers
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:45:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Dec11.152513.24144@news.columbia.edu>, jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.e
du (Andrew T. Kim) writes:
>Obviously PO'd that they were rejected by the string of free agents,
>Yankees sign Jimmy Key to a 4 year deal worth $17M.  I guess they just
>couldn't come out with full wallet.  Key is 32 years old (?), but still one
>of the better left handers in the league, IMHO.  Their pitching staff is
>pretty much set with Abbott, Perez, Key, Millitello, Wickman.  Steve Howe
>is very good, but that's when he was high...so who knows.
>
>Rumor says Yankees are interested in Darling too.  I would rather want to
>see them chasing McGwire with their still relatively full wallet, but with
>Mattingly having tenure here, I don't think it will happen.  How about
>Sierra, is he interested?
>
I think the Yankees can stand pat with their starting staff.  Another lefty in
the bullpen should be helpful.  I also heard the Yankees were interested in
Wade Boggs.  This would give the Yankees a good fielding left handed bat at
third.  Boggs has had many great seasons.  If comes close to hitting .300
again he would a great addition.

>
>Andy Kim
>
Date: Sunday, 13 Dec 1992 16:01:10 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: joe carter and others
Distribution: rec

i'd venture to say that mother theresa has at least five times the
niceness of joe carter.  so put a bat in her hands, give her about
650-700 plate appearances, and jeez, you've got seventy-five runs!
if she can play shortstop, she'd be pretty good!

bob vesterman.

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This news from the SF bay area - 

The A's lose Stewart to the Blue Jays.  Good luck Stew, you will need it.
Given the inconsistent performance of Stew the past couple years I'll be
surprised if he wins 15.

The A's lose Moore to the Tigers.  Bad move A's, 66 wins over the last 4
years.

The A's get Storm Davis.  BFD.

The Giants get Dave Martinez from Cinc and plan to bat him leadoff and play
him in center.  Two-thirds of the outfield are not set.

The McGee for Lavaliere (sp?) trade is now on hold.  With the trade SF
acknowledges their stupidity for letting Butler go.  McGee has not been
a hit in SF and has been whinning about getting out.

No news on the SF pitching front.  Looks like a rotation of Black, Burkett,
Wilson and ???.  Closers are Beck and Swift.  Long relief are Jackson and
Hickerson.  Wh knows if Burba will even get out of AAA this year.


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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Blue Jays-Gillick
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:43:19 GMT
Organization: Boo!  

In <1992Dec17.030347.22009@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:

>In <1992Dec17.002229.28458@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>>In article <1992Dec16.222334.13983@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:

>>Prove that Griffin is as important as a drive shaft.  If you can't, don't
>>bother asking anyone to prove anything from now on.

>Nope.  They won with Griffin.  If you think they could have won without him
>then the onus is on you to prove it.  And you can't.  I can prove that they
>won with him.  And if you can't prove that they could have won without Griffin
>then you can't prove that Griffin was any less valuable to the team than
>Alomar.

And, of course, by that logic, we can't prove that the Jays would have
won without the bat boy, the equipment manager, the trainer, the clubhouse
attendant, the ticket sellers, the guys who deliver food to the lockerroom,
the Toronto press, the fans, etc.

Wait a minute.  You know, I got to watch a lot of Toronto games on tv this
year.  And there is in fact no way to prove that they would have won the
World Series if I had not watched those games, because in fact they did
win the World Series with me watching.  Therefore, there is no way of
proving that I was any less valuable to the team than Roberto Alomar{or
Pat Gillick or Dave Winfield or Joe Carter!

Damn it, that means I should have almost certainly gotten a World Series
share!  I'm going to have to sue!  Hey Ted, can you practice law in a
Canadian court?  I already have a good idea of who I'm going to subpeona!

We're in the money, we're in the money, da da da da da da da da da da da da!

Greg
From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Winfield signs with the Twins
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:36:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu

ESPN has just reported that the Twins will announce on Friday
the signing of Dave Winfield to a 2-year contract worth something
in the neighborhood of $4 million.

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
Date: Saturday, 12 Dec 1992 18:37:59 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: joe carter and others
Distribution: rec

it is hardly disparaging to joe carter to say that he's not half the
player that rickey is.  disparaging (to me) implies two things:
untruthful and insulting.  it's not untruthful, and i'd love to be
half the ballplayer that rickey is.

further, if you're saying that runs created ignores chemistry, and
that, if it did not do so, it would show that joe is at least as good
as rickey, consider this: runs created says that joe (last year) produced
about 94 runs - he was worth about .138 runs every time he came to the
plate.  rickey produced, it says, about 91 runs - he was worth about
.182 runs every time he came to the plate.  so let's say rickey's bad
attitude is as far below an average attitude as joe's good attitude is
above an average attitude.  so REALLY, including their attitudes, they
were each worth about .160 runs every time they came to the plate.  that
means joe's attitutude contributed .022 runs to the blue jays for every
time joe stepped in the batter's box.  joe stepped in the batter's box
683 times last year.  that means that joe's attitude gave the blue
jays 15 runs last year.  since joe's skill gave the jays 91 runs,
that means that fourteen percent of the runs that joe is responsible for
came because joe is so totally nice.

if you want to believe that, be my guest.

bob vesterman.
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cards 2B? was NL East analysis.k
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:07:39 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <1992Dec17.064945.24146@bradley.bradley.edu> dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:

>Well, you failed to take into consideration that, in all likelihood, Jose
>Oquendo will resume his starting position at 2nd for the Cardinals.  His
>.300 bat and 40+ SB speed might make more of a difference than Pena.

??? Do you have these players confused?  Oquendo has stolen 33
bases in his career & is about a .255 hitter right now.  He's
never hit .300.  He has a good glove, of course.  Pena is a
much better hitter and baserunner.  I don't know who's going
to play 2B for the Cards, but if I were managing, it would
be Pena unless he's another Jefferies in the field.

-- 
Dave DeMers			 ddemers@UCSD   demers@cs.ucsd.edu
Computer Science & Engineering	C-014		demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet
UC San Diego					...!ucsd!cs!demers
La Jolla, CA 92093-0114	(619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Mets 92
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:38:18 GMT
Organization: ? 

In <1992Dec18.203702.17164@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:

>In article <1992Dec18.172820.1374@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
>>
>>Ted, I think you're exagerrating.  Yes, the only real huge below
>>expectations performance was HoJo.  But you're forgetting that every
>>single regular performed below what could/should have been expected.
>>Every single player on the team - Bonilla, HoJo, Schofield, Murray,
>>Magadan, Pecota, Coleman, Randolph, Hundley - contributed less than
>>STATS projected them to.

>Really?  STATS projected Coleman to hit that well?  Murray hit pretty
>well too.  Did he *really* underperform the STATS predictions?  I'm
>skeptical here.  Could you go into detail, please?

Murray:
         OBP     SLG
Proj     .356    .430
Real     .336    .423

In the case of Coleman, I meant in terms of overall contributions.  STATS
projected him to play a little worse but with twice as many PAs.  In fact,
Coleman was the reason I carefully phrased it as "contributed less than
.... projected"

As far as the rest, well

Hundley:
         OBP    SLG
Proj     .306   .343
Real     .256   .314

Magadan:
         OBP    SLG
Proj     .394   .389
Real     .390   .346

Schofield:
         OBP    SLG
Proj     .316   .305
Real     .309   .286

Bonilla  OBP    SLG
Proj     .359   .473
Real     .348   .432

Randolph OBP    SLG
Proj     .350   ,320
Real     .352   .318

Randolph, of course, had many less at-bats because of injuries.  If you
use, say, Senor Tate's MLVs, I'm sure every single Met regular was below
projection.


>>Saberhagen, one of the best 5 starters in baseball, contributed nothing.

>Didn't I say something about this *last* winter?  When you have
>Saberhagen, Gooden, and Fernandez in the rotation, you are guaranteed
>to have at *least* one of them on the DL for a major part of the
>season.  (And yes, I repeat this prediction for 1993.)

Well, yes, but Saberhagen hadn't contributed as little as he did in the
last 5 years.  He pitched far fewer innings than in any season with KC,
and he didn't pitch well when he did pitch.  And since he probably was the
best pitcher on the staff, his loss was, say, greater than Gooden's would
have been.

>>No one on the
>>staff really did better than expected except El Sid.

>Who did a *lot* better than expected.  Call it even for the offense
>minus HoJo.

Sid had the same season he had in 1989.  Not exactly shocking.

>>While there were a lot of people here who felt the Mets would not win,
>>I would bet that most of the posters, including 75% of the analyst-
>>types, thought they would contend.

>I think I picked them third or fourth.  Not really "contending".  So
>they finished fifth.  I didn't expect HoJo to suck like that...  The
>rest was moderately predictable (though I expected a dive from
>Murray).

Well, I'm sure some here did pick them that low.  But i don't think most did.

Greg 
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Swindell, Statheads and park effects
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:06:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.064919.11297@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
>In <28591@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
>>Before last season, several netters and I engaged in a "discussion" of
>>how Greg Swindell would do with the Reds.  He came from a huge park,
>>Cleveland, and went to a homer haven, Riverfront.  He posted an upper
>>3's ERA with Cleveland the previous year.  I was scorned, especially
>>by Valentine, when I suggested his stats might improve because he was
>>playing for a better team, even though the park effect would suggest
>>a downward trend.  Netters predicted a mid 4 ERA for him given the 
>>park change and his tendency to give up homers.  He ended up with
>>a mid to high 2's ERA.
>
>And the best year of his career.  Predicting what pitchers will do is
>always a very tricky business whether the pitcher changes parks or
>not.  And it's not that unusual to see a pitcher in a hitters' park
>which should be terrible for him end up with an ERA at home over 1 run
>better than on the road over a year or two.
>
>If Swindell had stayed in Riverfront for 3 or 4 years, I'm almost
>certain his stats would have reflected thefact that Riverfront would 
>raise his ERA and have more of an effect on him than it would a
>pitcher who gives up more ground-ball outs.           

Swindell had a higher Opposition BA in Cincinnati than on the road
(though only marginally, .262 v .257).  Does anyone have the actual
breakdown?

Of course, we are talking small samples.  I'll be curious to see how he
does in the Dome -- Ryan's ERA plummeted a point when he moved there.

ObWow!Stat: My MacThang shows that Mulholland had a sensational *15*
pickoffs last season, more than any two other pitchers combined, and
more than any four NL pitchers combined.  Even though he gave up
167 singles and 46 walks, Mulholland only allowed two stolen bases.
Is it me, or is that pretty damn amazing?  Combined with five CS...wow,
again.  Anyone know which two baserunners got away with it?  Or why
twenty-two people even bothered trying?
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: frisch1@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan Katz)
Subject: Re: F****** Dumb PIRATES management
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:15:48 GMT

In article <If9uVoO00Uh7M5cgZV@andrew.cmu.edu>, Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I lived in Jersey for the last few months and I have been exasperated at
|> the little bits of news I was able to gather about the Pirates
|> stupidity.Now that I am back in Pittsburgh, I am able to vent my
|> frustration at this wierd group of imbeciles. Remember the movie Major
|> League? Well, I am sure the PIrates are trying thei best to imitate the
|> owner in that movie so that they can move the pIrates to Florida.I can't
|> believe that they didnt offer Bonds arbitration. This is even more
|> stupid than letting Cole go unprotected. Someone should kick Sauer out
|> of this town. He is the perfect yes-man to the hypocritical Pirates
|> management. I am sure that even dopehead Simmons is not that stupid to
|> decline arbitration to Bonds. Must be pressure from the front office.
|> 
|> 
|> 
Now wait a minute. They didn't offer arbitration b/c he might have accepted,
forcing the Pirates to pay a huge salary which they can'r afford.
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From: cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS)
Subject: Toronto Blue Jays 1993 Schedule (by team)
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:31:43 GMT

TORONTO BLUE JAYS 1993 SCHEDULE

OPPONENT		HOME GAMES			AWAY GAMES 

Baltimore Orioles	may 6-9;   jul 27-28		jun 28-30; sep30-oct3

Boston Red Sox		jun 17-20; sep 21-23		may 17-19; aug 13-15

Cleveland Indians	apr 9-11;  aug 23-25		apr 16-19; aug 16-18

Detroit Tigers		may 11-13; jul30-aug1		jun 10-13; sep 14-15

Milwaukee Brewers	apr 24-27; aug 6-8		jun 25-27; sep 27-29

New York Yankees	jun 22-24; sep 24-26		may 14-16; aug 2-5

California Angels	june 7-9;  sep 10-12		may31-jun2; sep 3-5

Chicago White Sox	apr 23-25; jul 5-7		apr30-may2; jul 19-21

Kansas City Royals	apr 28-29; jul 15-18		apr 20-22; jul 2-4

Minnesota Twins		may 21-23; aug 10-12		jun 14-16; sep 17-19

Oakland Athletics	june 4-6;  sep 7-9		may 28-30; aug30-sep1

Seattle Mariners	apr 13-15; aug 20-22		apr 6-7;   aug 26-29

Texas Rangers		apr 26-27; jul 8-11		may 4-5;   jul 22-25
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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: All-Henderson Team;All-Jewish Team
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:22:17 GMT

In article <BzCCC0.MH6@cs.uiuc.edu> epstein@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>In <15DEC199218194894@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> yankees@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Kenneth M Gelfand) writes:

>>In article <BzB9I9.H7G@cs.uiuc.edu>, epstein@cs.uiuc.edu writes...
>>>In <15DEC92.12341126@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>>>>Ted Frank writes:

>>>>>How about an all-Jewish team?
[...]
>I don't know about Andy Stankiewicz in particular, but the general
>rule I know of regarding names that end in a "<witz>" sound is that if
>it's spelled "...witz" it's Jewish, and if it's spelled "...wicz" it's
>not Jewish (Polish, perhaps?).  Similarly, "<ski>" spelled "...sky" is
>Jewish, and spelled "..ski" is not.  
>
>Remember, these are *general* rules, so they may fail a good deal of
>the time (I have no idea of the percentages).  But I'm pretty sure
>that Greg Luzinski is not Jewish :-).

True, but your rules just don't work.  The -itz/-icz thing and the -ski/
sky difference are merely differences in transliteration or respelling.
People whose names passed through German-speaking countries tend 
to have the -itz and -ski postfixes; this is true of Heinz Galinski, 
ex-head of the German Jewish congregation.  Likewise, Lucy Dawidowicz
did *not* respell her Polish name, and she most definitely is Jewish.
And General Clausewitz wasn't Jewish, either.

I hadn't heard that Stankiewicz was Jewish.  Anyone got a source other
than "someone told me"?

Roger


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From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Women Sports Reporters
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:48:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.152058.25258@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) writes:
>In article <8DEC92.00475002@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>
>)And it's nice of you to be so sensitive to their feelings, but from all
>)accounts, most professional athletes are not averse to being viewed by
>)strange women in casual circumstances.
>
>That's why they're sending the women reporters dead rats.  Presumably it's a
>courtship ritual - the man wants to prove that he is a good hunter and
>provider, so he just sends the woman he's interested in a symbolic token of
>his ability to hunt & provide....
>
>[Do I need the smiley?]
maybe...

i'm sure you meant no harm but you are also in a time warp.
as one of the original protagonists in this "discussion" from last week,
i think i speak for just about the whole newsgroup when i say: "please
don't re-introduce this thread into r.s.bb".

your clip of Heather's comments are totally out of context. they were
made in the middle of a major war with a major jerk, and were meant to
be sarcastic. that moron has finally been silenced, so let's let dead dogs lie.

--
charles
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