HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com (Buffy Hyler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Parents Adjusting and Coping with Cryi
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:46:34 GMT
Reply-To: hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com
Organization: SAIC

I remember a few bouts right after David was born with this type of
crying and one thing that was moderately successful (about 8 out of 10
times) was to swaddle him for sleep time.  The nurse at the hospital
demonstrated this for me and said that for some babies this comforts
them.  I do remember that it only worked during the first 3-4 weeks and
then it seemed to bother him more than help so I stopped at that
point.

Unfortunately it has been so long now I have forgotten the
instructions.  It basically involves taking a baby blanket and wrapping
the baby firmly so that legs and arms are tucked in.  I think the
theory is that this simulates how they were tucked in the womb just
before birth (very little room).

Is this still a common practice?  If so, maybe someone who knows the
details can post.

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Buffy Hyler (hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com)
SAIC, Campus Point
San Diego, California
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (STAFFORD, KD)
Subject: Re: 41 Re: Spider bites and children
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:21:52 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------

In article <168338759.M16585@mwvm.mitre.org>, M16585@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
|> I don't mean for this to ba an ad, but I can't help but want others to know
|> of the benefits of Skin So Soft Bath Oil by AVON.  (yes, I sell it, E-mail
|> me if you're interested)
   ...
|> If you don't like the oil idea, there's lotion, shower gel, and a moisturizin
|> stick(looks like a solid deodorant stick, but moisturizes instead). All work

....for half an hour or so.
----------------------------
Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

    Sorry, I've got to disagree with this.  Maybe its different for each
    individual, but I used the spray on Skin So Soft oil while in Rochester
    (lots of mosquitoes!) and it worked all day long.  No bites anywhere!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman)
Subject: Cute Kid Story - 5 years old
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:02:08 GMT

  Hi-----

  Last night my 5 YO son wakes up in the middle of the night, comes up to
  my bed and says "Mommy, wake up, my legs are tight"  I say "Your legs
  are stiff?"  He says "No mommy, they are tight"  I say  "I'm sorry
  honey I don't know what you mean"  he says "The skin is tight and it
  makes me itch"  "Oh," I say "Maybe its dry, I'll put lotion on you"
  I rub on some Nivea and he looks down at his legs and says:

  "Mommy, I didn't know you could buy new skin in a bottle!"

  It was so cute - and remember, he was sleepy so it was even funnier.

  Toni

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio)
Subject: UPDATE  Surgery and premies
Followup-To: Surgery and premies
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:24:26 GMT

First, to all that responded to my first post, THANK YOU.  The words of
support helped more than anyone can imagine.

Now to refresh.  My nephew Michael had hernia surgery on Monday the 14th.
And was having difficulty waking up.  He was born 10 weeks premature
and weighed 4.5 pounds at surery time.  Well it took till very late
Tuesday night for him to wake up.  He would open his eyes and look around
for about ten minutes and then fall back to sleep.  It wasn't until
late Wednesday that they were able to get him off the ventilator.  He 
began nursing as soon as they removed the vent.  He was very groogy
until Saturday.  The doctors there (Keisler Air Force Base, Biloxi MS)
had no explaination for this.  I spoke with two neighbors of mine, one
a surgeon the other a neonatal nurse and they both thought it sounded like
too much anesthesia.  Neither felt that there should be any long term affects
from it.  So we were all relieved that the news finally turned good, but 
then it got better.  Michael was released from the hospital Monday the 21st.
He made the trip from Mississippi to PA with his parent Monday evening,
and flew like a champ.  He must get that from his father, my brother,
who is an army pilot.  My brother even took Michael in the shower with him
Tuesday morning, which I think was a symbolic cleansing of all the hard times
that have both had and the beginning of happy life.  My brother has to
return to base in Alabama on Monday but only has five weeks of active duty 
left.

I am finally going to met my first nephew and my son's first cousin this
weekend.  YEAH!!!

So after almost three months of worry and pray things have a happy ending.
Which my family deserves, we have all had trouble in the reproductive area.


Thanks you again to everyone that responded to me.  I will try to answer
you all.

Nanette  (Philip's mom)
salvaggi@acadia.kodak.com
From: lee@uniadv.uadv.uci.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: IS THERE ANY MAILING LIST THAT I COULD SUBSCRIBE TO?
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:08:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

HI,
	I AM WONDERING IF THERE IS A MAILING ADDRESS WHICH I COULD 
SUBSCRIBE TO?  GREATLY APPRECIATED.
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Why do babies cry? :-)
Date: 23 Jul 1992 18:25:04 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


I asked a real authority--the Usenet Oracle--the same question I asked 
y'all a while back (your answers seriously were very helpful to me). This 
is what I received:

)The Usenet Oracle has pondered your question deeply.
)Your question was:
)
)> Why do babies cry when they're not hungry or in need of care,
)> and what should be done when they do this?
)
)And in response, thus spake the Oracle:
)
)} Contrary to what you may have been taught, babies are not
)} immature humans.  They are a ancient lifeform that
)} needs humans to survive.  These lifeforms, called
)} "WaaawhaawhaaWAA" in their own language, employ very loyal
)} human servants to place them in the care of humans who have
)} just delivered infants.  (It should be noted that the
)} WaaawhaawhaaWAA look very much like real human children.
)} Survival mechanisms and all that you know).  The WaaawhaawhaaWAA
)} are highly evolved mentally but are unable to care for
)} their physical selves.
)}
)} The WaaawhaawhaaWAA are also highly ethical beings.  They
)} instruct their servants to place the real human child in
)} a stasis box (cleverly disguised with cabbage leaves)
)} and after a year another switch is made.  The human child
)} is returned to the parents.
)}
)} In exchange for this, the WaaawhaawhaaWAA try to enlighten and
)} teach humanity.  Unfortunately, humans are such dolts that they
)} interpret the great teachings of their guest WaaawhaawhaaWAA
)} as crying and babbling.
)}
)} What should you do?  Humanity has listened to the speach of
)} the WaaawhaawhaaWAA for thousands of years and has yet to
)} understand it.  You could always tell the press this story
)} and try to get national funding to study the WaaawhaawhaaWAA
)} but they would probably just lock you up.  Better just change
)} the diaper.
)}
)} You owe the Oracle 10 tons of biodegradable disposable diapers.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

(p.s. if you'd like to learn more about the Usenet Oracle, send a mail 
message to oracle@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu with "help" as the subject.)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Subject: Re: Alternatives to Spanking?
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 22:22:14 GMT

In <1992Jul25.192711.16723@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins) writes:

>> She has tried Time-out and he doesn't understand the concept.  She used cold
>> showers for a while, and that got so bad that for a while he was afraid to
>> take showers!  Now all she has to use is the threat of one and he sort of
>> behaves.
>> 

It staggers me how creative we are at creating punishments that impact badly
on things we need to do as a part of normal life.  Give a kid cold showers;
now he hates any kind of showers!  Send them to bed in the middle of the
day: gee, now I can't get the kid to go to bed when it's bedtime!  Make
'em write "I will not <insert behavior here>" 500 times . . . Gosh, his
teacher says he just hates to write at school, he's falling behind....
Frustration makes us stupid.

-- 
===============================================================================
paul marxhausen                              \/               grace 
university of nebraska - lincoln             /\              happens           
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From: chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: birth announcement (very late)
Date: 28 Jul 1992 09:21:01 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I'm posting this from cs.utexas.edu so I hope it makes it.  This is my
first posting so please bear with me.  I've been reading misc.kids for
1.5 years now, but since I only have access through a friends account
I haven't posted for fear of offending someone and flooding my
friend's account with angry e-mail.  That said I'd like to belatedly
announce the birth of my daughter:

		Elizabeth Rachel "Libby" Linden-Chirlian
		September 30, 1991 (10 months on thursday!)
		7lbs 9 oz, 21 inches

We got the idea for the nickname from Barb and Jim Mumper, hope they
don't mind.  Actually, we were thinking of calling her Beth, but she
was definitely a Libby, right from birth.  


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 Lisa Chirlian                                  chirlian@cc.brynmawr.edu
 Department of Chemistry, Bryn Mawr College, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
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From: patti@nestor.uucp (80122-stankovich)
Subject: Re: how to remove stains on clothes?
Reply-To: patti@nestor.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:03:49 GMT

In article <14p0cnINN86j@informatics.wustl.edu> bloch@wupost.wustl.edu (Charlene Bloch Abrams) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.225654.1778@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>>
>>For white clothes only, you can use dye remover (also called color
>>remover).  You'll find it wherever fabric dyes are sold (try the
>>supermarket, at least in the US).  It will remove stains that bleach
>>won't touch.  It is tough on fabric; you wouldn't want to do it more than
>>once per item, but if you've got a favorite white item with an apparently
>>permanent stain, it's worth a try.
>>
>Will it work on rust stains? Bleach doesn't even begin to fade them, neither
>does Sray & Wash stick (which I've found pretty good usually). (The rust
>stains come, FYI, from the buttons on a pair of Sears toddler's short
>dungarees - after this I wouldn't recommend them, although I wouldn't have
>before, as the crotch snaps are completely feeble and always unsnap. The
>stains are on the collar of my largest, coolest maternity shirt, and with
>6 weeks to go and little to no signs of deceleration in tummy growth, I
>NEED THIS SHIRT!!)
>
>Charlene
>
From: c_lakhan@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Lakhani)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Only Child - A Summary
Keywords: Historical perspective - positive for both sides!
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:43:19 GMT
Organization: Bristol Polytechnic, England

Hi,

A summary as requested,  Sorry it took so long.  Thank you all for your 
correspondence (too numerous to mention individually).

Disadvantages with having an only child

1.	Onlies demand constant attention from adults.  They get tired of 
	entertaining him/her.

2.	All goals and aspirations(parental) flung on one child.  Parents
	also tend to worry about doing the right thing by him/her, whereas
	with two, one gets a breather now and again.

3.	Onlies don't learn to share/live with other people.  Even if children 
	are encouraged to have an outside interest, there are times at home 
	with only the parent(s) as company.  Also problems about latchkey
	children are exacerbated with onlies.  They don't learn how to 
	negotiate and compromise.

4.	Onlies have no one to share problems with (the peer group variety).
	No one to discuss parental problems with.

5.	Miss out on lessons learnt from sibling rivalry.

6.  	Miss out on the bond that exists between siblings.  Apparently it 
	is very deep.

7.	Onlies develop an unhealthy attachment to material things.  This 
	arises from the fact that things like toys etc. never have to be 
	shared, rarely get broken through someone else's fault.

8.	Bossiness factor is prevalent among onlies.  Onlies like to direct 
	all the action.


9.	Miss out on support after one or both parents have died.  Cannot 
	share the burden of looking after ageing parent(s) if necessary.

10.	There is a societal thing against only children.  Some parents will 
	almost accuse you of Child Abuse if you have an Only.

11.	Onlies never master playing by someone else's rules.  Grow up 
	socially incompetent.  Have a hard time having roommates.



Advantages of having an Only Child

1. 	2 kids are more than twice the work.

2.	They will fight! - can you retain your sanity?

3.	Only children tend to be brighter, often do better at school,
	have an easier time interacting with adults.(June issue of Life 
	Magazine: Baby Boomer News.

4.	You can afford to send one child to an expensive school,
	better holidays etc.

5.	Only children have increased self-reliance (enjoy their own company),
        are good readers.
	
6.	Can have uninterrupted quite time in their own room at any time.

7.	Easier for parents to continue and enjoy working life.

8.	Leave more free time for family activities

9.	Adults get some time off at night


These opinions do not necessarily reflect my thinking on the subject.  I
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 22 Jul 1992 16:24:46 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values

who bleeding cares?  i don't quote pagan authorities to the
net on every parenting or political question under the sun.
please confine your drivel to newsgroups devoted to same.

                                   -ailsa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
Subject: Re: Parents Adjusting and Coping with Crying
Organization: Noo Joizy, USA
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:29:36 GMT

When my first daughter was new, she also had long periods of
inconsolable crying.  At times, I was convinced it was an outlet of
energy.  Babies are mysteries so my theory and everyone else's will
never be confirmed.

I found that showing her plants and trees was sometimes soothing.

Also, your baby may prefer a special position that you will have to
experiment to find.  Madeleine's was very bizarre, and it took a long
time to discover.  I held her over my shoulder, but most of her was
upside down over my back!

Sometimes a car ride at freeway speeds works very well.  Sometimes it
doesn't.

I hope that you will feel better when we tell you that many, many
parents go through this.  Also, I was the youngest in my nuclear and
extended families and had virtually no exposure to babies until I had
my own, so it sure was scary.

We just went through this for a second time.  Julia is six months old,
although she's much quieter.  Still, the sleepless nights for the first
three months were quite taxing.

You should also learn to recognize your discomforts.  When you can put
your finger on them, it helps you address them.  You may not have been
deprived of sleep or a complete meal ever before.

Best wishes.
--
        Tom Reingold
        tr@samadams.princeton.edu  OR  ...!princeton!samadams!tr
        "Warning: Do not drive with Auto-Shade in place.  Remove
        from windshield before starting ignition."
From: swain@cs.umd.edu (Barbara Swain)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: You know you're a Parent when ...
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:47:57 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742


	Your partner calls to get your attention with alarm in his voice, and
you don't even look at him but turn to the child sitting next to you.  In this
case, I was in time to prevent my almost 3 YO from pouring a goblet of ice
water on the table and down her front.

	You find yourself very patiently explaining in restuarants that you
want a glass of water 1/2 full for your child, not a smaller glass filled all
the way to the top.

	You find yourself disciplining all sorts of "mean" creatures (witches,
trolls, monsters) who can't seem to understand that they aren't allowed to be
mean in your house.  (I'm happier sending the pretend "meanies" to another
room or kicking them out of the house for unacceptable behavior than having my
daughter actually try some of it out.)

					Barbara Swain <swain@cs.umd.edu>
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj@alice.att.com)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thanks + Question re: Sharing between one-year-olds (LONG)
Summary: Toddler Humor
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:09:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23304
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj@alice.att.com)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Jul23.163746.10839@scubed.com> mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis) writes:
>   As the mother of a 22 month old I got a kick out of this.  Actually
>   there seemes to be only one Property Law for almost 2 year olds.
>
>     1.  EVERYTHING IS MINE.
You forgot the "all mine!"


>   mona@scubed.scubed.com  (Who has heard the words "Mine," "No," and
>			    "I want" atleast a thousand times in the
>			    last 3 months.)
Only 1000 times in three months?  I think we make that number,
although in our case "don't want" is the biggie, in about 3 days!

>			    


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From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:24:22 GMT

In article <r!jmmbr.shannah@netcom.com> shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:
>In article <l6rqcqINN6up@pollux.usc.edu> sudha@pollux.usc.edu (Sudha Kumar) writes:
>>A friend of mine and I who had babies 3 months apart also toyed with
>>this idea.  However, we did not actually do it since we live a
>>distance away from each other... and I am glad we did not do it.  Anu
>>goes to the daycare and for a L-O-N-G time had a cold. (For the past
>>three weeks she has been fine !!) My friend is paranoid about germs
>>and has been very uncomfortable about visiting us or having us visit.
>>I just shudder about how things would have turned out if we had shared
>>a care giver.  We probably would have destroyed our friendship.  Now,
>>we just talk on the phone.  I do think that she is paranoid but can
>>understand how she feels.
>>
>I agree with Sudha's comments about making sure that you have the same
>sort of philosophies as the other person you share a nanny with.  I
>think it's also important to share those philosophies with the nanny. 
>If I had a friend who believed in spanking children, or a nanny who
>did, I wouldn't feel comfortable leaving my child with them.
>
>However, I'm going to nitpick here a bit and take issue with the
>comment about the friend who is paranoid about germs.

[other good stuff deleted]

>I wouldn't want to share a caregiver with someone who would send their
>child in sick.  This is why I'm trying to figure out a way to avoid
>having to send my children-to-be to daycare.  I watch the same
>coworkers who come in and breathe colds and flu all over me send their
>children to daycare with the same illnesses.  I realize that sometimes
>things can't be helped, but when I see people with weeks and weeks of
>time off accrued in the office because they didn't want to take the
>time off, I think that's incredibly rude.
>
>After all, I don't want to take the time off, either, but will probably
>have to do so when I get the cold or flu they couldn't be bothered to
>stay home with.

Teri, I think it's hard to understand your position until you've been
there.  If I get a cold, I'm over it usually in a day or so.  My
husband then gets the same cold and keeps it a week.  In a lot of
cases, he has to take medication to prevent it from becoming an ear
infection.  I never really thought a lot about being around someone
with a cold until we married; now I'm pretty careful about who I'm
around if they appear to be sick and consequently, if I'm sick, I stay
home.

It's really rude of people to be offended when you don't want to get
their cold!

Kathie




-- 
riggle@adobe.com
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Having children close together-happy stories wanted
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:36:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

My two are 22 mos. apart and I wouldn't want it any other way.  We just
got the laser disk for "The Addams Family" and you haven't seen cute until
you've seen my 4YO and 2YO dancing the Mamushka together!

My two play together A LOT and love each other and fight with each other and
while it is hard while they are both very young, I see the benefits as far
outweighing the difficulties.  On the other hand both my husband and I are
younger siblings of far older (6 and 7 years) siblings and we hated that 
spacing.  Our older siblings were too old to play with us and old enough to
know how to really torment us.  

One other thing that is very interesting.  The younger child tends to imitate
her brother more than she imitates us.  We will try for months to teach her
a word, and her brother can spend 5 minutes with her and she'll know it.  And
since he's not THAT much older, she can actually imitate much of what he does
without feeling it's an impossible task.  

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:36:42 EDT
From: Suzy Young <ZZQ@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: tax free stipends

I know that many misc.kids readers are also grad students or have
been grad students recently.  Check this out if you have received
a stipend since 1986.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`


House of Representative Bill H.R. 4418

[Source: Friday, 26 June 1992 13:38:06 EDT
 "Rahman A. Soomro" <rahman@alpha.ces.cwru.edu>]

There is a bill, currently being considered by the U. S. House of
Representatives which would RETURN THE STIPENDS OF GRADUATE STUDENTS
TO A TAX EXEMPT STATUS.  Prior to the Reagan-Bush (No New Taxes!) era,
Graduate Student Stipends were not taxed, and Tom Lewis (R- Florids)
has proposed a bill which not only would make stipends TAX-EXEMPT, but
would also RETURN ALL TAXES PAID SINCE 1986 on Grad. income.  The Bill
is H.R. 4 418 and is currently under consideration, though I am not
sure if it has cleared committee or not.

To support the bill, call or write your local congressman and ask them
to support it.

If you do not know who your rep. is, call (800) 347-1997 (THE FEDERAL
INFOR MATION CENTER) and ask.

Come on folks, lets support our own interests.  All this has about
gone far enough, don't you think?

     Please put this out on every listserver that you have access to.

John O'Brien
Indiana University
Sociology Department
NIMH program in the measurement of affect and affective processes.
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