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From: mpark@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Park)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Command Line Interpreters
Date: 26 Dec 92 08:44:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec26.084452.6708
Organization: University of Washington

wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (steve wells) writes:

(I paraphrase:)
>UNiX UNiX UNiX UNiX UNiX UNiX UNiX UNiX

Don't you have a capital 'I' on your keyboard?


--m
From: knarf@nasim.sta.sub.org (Frank Bartels)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: HP DeskJet 500C Color Printer compatability
Keywords: HP, HP500C, DeskJet, Color Printer
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:16:38 GMT
Organization: Knarf's UUCP-Center, Munich, West-Germany
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

jsa@rcinet (JEFF S. ANDREWS) writes:

>Since HP has their newest line of DeskJet printers out now - the 550 and the
>550C (mono & color, respectively), the price on the 500C has fallen
>dramatically (almost $200 less).  So, I am seriously considering getting a
>500C for my Mega4STe/1040ST computers.  Has anyone ever used HP DeskJet
>printers with ST's?  Are there incompatibilities?  Are there any special
>drivers, etc., that I will need to get?  Any info will be appreciated, so
>please reply with whatever you insight you may have.  I don't have much time
>before I have to decide.  Thanks in advance.     8^> 

I got my HP Deskjet 500 about four weeks ago. You do not need any
special drivers for it. Many commercial software packages support HP
Deskjet (plus, 500) printers. But there is a very good ASCII printing
program called 'Idealist'! You can print every ASCII text in up to 9 (!)
columns and because the Deskjet has some built-in crosswise-fonts (right
word?) you'll need *much* less paper when printing manuals, listings
etc. Idealist is available in a German and English version from the
author (Christoph_Bartholme@ka.maus.de) or via anonymous-ftp from
ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de. It's shareware since version 3.2 and
costs DM 20.- (~US$15).

The 500C is 100% backwards compatible to the 500. I don't know of any
program using the colour of the 500C/550C. Maybe Signum!3 colour does.

Knarf
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From: molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Hard Drive (wierd) Problem - Help!
Date: 1 Jan 93 14:44:06 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ptb.cl.msu.edu

erkamp@JANUS.ARC.AB.CA (Bob Erkamp) writes:

>Well I can't say specifically what is wrong but having talk to service techs
>about Atari drives I recall that the MegaFile 30 was not a very reliable drive
>and invariably died in about a year. He recommended to stay away from this
>drive and get a MegaFile 20 or 60 as they had much more reliable workings (I've
>had my 20 for many years). I realise that this doesn't help you much. I would
>suggest backing it up immediatly and having it looked at.

Best advice I can give to MegaFile30 owners is to do regular backups...
Your day is coming, if you own one of these, so be prepared and
start looking NOW for a replacement mech.
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From: paetau@mits.mdata.fi (Rasmus Paetau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Command Line Interpreters
Date: 25 Dec 92 22:41:02 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland


I want to find a CLI that is :

1) Easy to use
2) Supports batch files
3) Supports environment variables
4) Has an efficient command set

Can anybody recommend something?

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From: ultron@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Andrew H Krieg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: WANTED: Neodesk
Date: 23 Dec 1992 21:46:50 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

I am looking to buy a copy of the program Neodesk for my ST.  If you have a
copy with documentation for sale, please send e-mail.  Thanks.
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From: mikael@terapin.com (Mikael Andersson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Apology:  True Colour *IS* great for games.
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:17:44 PST
Organization: BBS

About the Falcon truecolor mode, don't forget that the trucolor mode
reduces bus-performace compared to normal ST-resolution. The DMA has
to move more data every fram to get the job done.
 
Mikael
From: mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us (Mark Hughes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: So what does this mean to us ?
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:48:30 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
> real "Horror Stories" about dealing with Atari Corporation.) example of
> the arrogance of the current regime at Atari.  It means that YOU will
> NEVER be able to buy a game developed with the Game Workshop.
> 
> >6) HOW WERE MR. BAGGETS GAME ROUTINES SUPERIOR TO ANYTHING DONE BY PEOPLE
> >LIKE THE BITMAP BROTHERS ( ST DIEHARDS ), OR EVEN JEFF MINTER ?
> 
> They might not have actually been "superior".. but YOU will never know
> whether they were or not, because Atari played games, rather than seriously
> evaluating them.  Jeff Minter has already ported "Llamatron" to the PC
> platform, where it's been received with tremendous acclaim. Why would he
> continue to hit himself over the head with the "Atari" hammer..?
 
  Bob, sometimes you can be insightful, witty, and even intelligent.  
This is not one of those times.  I suspect that whatever Dave does, the 
GW will be released for the ST somehow...  he's put too much of his time 
and energy into it to waste it.  No programmer willingly tosses out work 
just because of a stupid corp...  (wisdom of the people I hang out with 
is that "stupid corp" is unnecessary - they're all stupid by definition)
 
> amalaye oyake ---> a curious st user. 
> 
> No problem.. it's refreshing to encounter an open mind..

 
  And you're a good argument against open minds - you search out innocent 
users, and spew garbage at them.  I suppose that sounds like you're some 
sort of corruptor of innocents, but...
 
  I went off the ST for a while, and searched long and hard for a new 
machine.  I discovered that replacing my ST with another decent system, 
without taking any sacrifices (pathetic sound and OS on the PCs, weird OS 
and incompatibility on the Mac (not to mention their expense), etc.), I 
had to go up to a NeXT.  I don't have that kind of cash, so I'll stay 
right here...  So it's not like there's much of a choice.  If you 
personally don't like the ST, go play with others a while - but you'll be 
back...  In the meantime, don't bullshit at newbies...
 
 - Mark Hughes (Caves of Steel 509-624-1821)  mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us
"I wish I could say what's REALLY on my mind, but that'd be too close to 
defamation of character..."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ersmith@netcom.com (Eric R. Smith)
Subject: Re: MultiTos redraw problem
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:55:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.140408.15936@phcomgw.seri.philips.nl> castermn@nlsce1.seri.philips.nl (Luc Castermans) writes:
>I want to force a redraw on the INFO-line in a 
>window. To do that I calculate the x,y,w,h of
>that part and than do an form_dial(FMD_FINISH,...)
>call. The code looks like this:
>
>   void redraw_info(void)
>   {
>       /* fill dimensions of INFO line in window */
>       ...
>       form_dial(FMD_FINISH,...);
>   }
>
>   void redraw(GRECT *area_ptr)
>   {
>       redraw_info();
>
>       /* walk rectangle list below here */
>       .....
>   }
>
>   Upon a WM_REDRAW request redraw() is called.

Let's see what happens when a WM_REDRAW request is sent to the application:

the first thing it does is to call redraw_info. redraw_info does some
stuff, and then calls form_dial *to force a redraw*, i.e. to send another
WM_REDRAW message to the application. When that WM_REDRAW is received,
redraw_info gets called, which calls form_dial, which sends a WM_REDRAW
message, etc.

I would expect this code to produce an infinite sequence of WM_REDRAW
messages.

>This works fine under TOS.

Then it just happens that the timing of the redraw messages is such that
TOS is able to merge some of them. That's only by luck, and I certainly
wouldn't count on it working with all versions of TOS (even non-multitasking
ones).

>I trust the MultiTos I have.

Then you're overly trusting. MultiTOS DOES NOT YET EXIST as a finished
product. EVERY version of MultiTOS now in the world is a beta test
version. Also, if you got your version of MultiTOS from somewhere
other than Atari (and I presume this is the case, or you would have
sent the bug report to Atari rather than to Usenet) then you probably
have an outdated version; plus, of course, it's a pirated copy,
with all of the possible attendant problems. In other words: if you
didn't get it from Atari, don't trust it, and don't use it.

I'm speaking here as a "private citizen". If I were speaking officially
for Atari, I might very well have other (possibly stronger) things
to say.

Eric Smith	ersmith@netcom.com	ersmith@atari.uucp
From: michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: RTS/CTS patches for the TT serial ports?
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:56:38 GMT

Original to: paetau@mits.mdata.fi
In a message of <10 Dec 1992 00:45:5>, paetau@mits.mdata.fi (3:713/602)
writes:

 p> Are there any patches that fix the flow control bug that would also
 p> fix the TT's extra modem ports, particulary the one going up to 38400
 p> bps? Where can I get this software? Thaks in advance!!

If anyone mails on this topic, can they pass on to me as well? - I've had
some _very_weird_ problems with the other 3 ports on my TT - mostly a mix of
port lockups, and using Serial Fix (tos 3.05), the redirection of _all_
serial output to Modem 1...

 p> | Rasmus Paetau (paetau@mits.mdata.fi) | Waiting for the Atari Falcon |

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From: michael.smith@f842.n800.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (michael smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Monochrome monitor woes
Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:59:04 GMT

Original to: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
In a message of <11 Dec 1992 11:26:3>, sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
(3:713/602) writes:

 sr> I do have a copy of the Old SAMS Computerfacts for the Mono
 sr> monitor/520st and other bits, this Manual was sold in the past by
 sr> Whitcoulls in Wellington, Part No. CSCS12...
 sr> 
 sr> But what do you need,? if the service centre won't sell you a manual,
 sr> how are you going to get Parts..??

Parts are conventional, easy to obtain.  In fact, the 124 circuit is mostly
a trnascription out of the databooks for the various components involved,
and from any good textbook on monitor design... which is how it should be 8)

 sr> Roger................         sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

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From: knarf@nasim.sta.sub.org (Frank Bartels)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: HP550C GDOS driver ????!!!!
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:51:48 GMT
Organization: Knarf's UUCP-Center, Munich, West-Germany
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992

mike@medsun.unige.ch (michel morris) writes:

>Does somebody out there have one?
>Or know where to get/buy one?
>Or know how to write one (in return for Swiss choccy ;-)  )?
>HELP!!!

There is still no GDOS driver for any colour printer supporting colour.
But you are able to use any Deskjet/Laserjet driver (DESKJET.SYS,
DJ5.SYS, etc.) available at most ftp sites!

>Mike (monochrome) Morris

Knarf
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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Out of context quoting
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:48:16 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1h0eelINNeqh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <1h2r5bINNqv5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> 
  <4895@wet.UUCP>,<72180@cup.portal.com>
  <1992Dec22.183048.7034@news2.cis.umn.edu>

David Paschall-Zimbel writes:
>In article <72180@cup.portal.com>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Tell me about it Ed.. tell me about 16 Mhz. 16 bit bus 68030s..

>Bob, please tell us about all the non-EISA 486DX-33 machines out there with
>16-bit buses...

>-- David Paschall-Zimbel

Nice try, David.. by quoting a line of my message out of context,
you've once again managed to twist it into something it wasn't
and attempted to give it a completely different meaning.
 
Sorry.. I don't play that game..  try again.

BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: "dave tomesch" <dave.tomesch@canrem.com>
Subject: please stop pirating atar
Reply-To: "dave tomesch" <dave.tomesch@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 3 Jan 93 16:26:09 EST


 In a previous message you mention you dont own a colour monitor, then
the next message you do admit to owning one plus have lots of games. I
think you have convinced the Usenet people you not only make false
statements but you also pick up games from the local pirating group
called the Evil force.

 I hope you leave the atari platform because soon as we get rid of more
of the pirating types on our machine the better off we will be. I think
what you are really upset about is that many of the pirates have and are
leaving the atari platform which is a good sign! To bad you are running
out of files to UNMSA on your pirating bbses. Glad the pirating boards
are slowly dieing and leaving to other machines.

 When you list some of the things you do why dont you mention the
opposite things you do that dont help atari? Why do you avoid answering
which bbses you support, which files you download, which games you
bought rather than copy, which software you really support rather than
pretend to be a follower of shareware or PD software. Let the truth come
out!
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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: n890421 (KA9Q for the Atari ST....)
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 22:55:27 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

John Bunch asked about using telnet in the ST version of KA9Q.
 
I've been using KA9Q to telnet successfully for quite a while now.  The
only time I've had problems with it is when I have a RAMdisk installed,
but that shouldn't affect you if you cold booted with a "clean" system..

The only thing I can think of to check.. is "start telnet" in your
NET.RC file in the root directory of the drive you run KA9Q from..?
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: Falcon
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:46:51 GMT

In article <1hamftINNt9d@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>Are the Falcon's modes (3 of them anyway) compatible with TT-low/med/high?

Lessee, TT-high is that 1280x960 monochrome, right? The Falcon's highest
standard resolution is 768x480; 880x600 with ScreenBlaster (which I have only
heard of, not actually seen). I guess that rules that one out (although
"compatible" can be interpreted different ways - are the pixels laid out
the same way in memory? Yes. There just aren't as many pixels...). I don't
know what the other TT resolutions are, offhand.
>
>Otherwise, the few programs specifically written for those resolutions
>wouldn't work too well on the Falcon.

Heh. There shouldn't be any programs written *specifically* for those
resolutions, though.
>
>Also, is the 040 a 32Mhz processor?  If so, I'll buy that instead of the
>Falcon 030.

Like most processors, the Motorola 68040 comes in a range of speeds, with
25 MHz probably being the slowest available. I don't know what the top end
is, that's a moving target that increases from year to year... No idea what
the Falcon 040 might use, although since Atari has shown a preference for
powers of 2, I guess an even 32 MHz seems likely.

(Say, where do these other guys get their funky clock speeds from, anyway?
7.15, 7.75, 14.5, etc......)
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

There's a narrow border between genius and insanity, but I'm a dual citizen.
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: I am NOT making this up, OK?  (was Re: Closed ... <ho hum>)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 00:44:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1gnve3INNhd9@life.ai.mit.edu>
  <1992Dec17.193935.4591@news2.cis.umn.edu>,<1h008iINNam6@life.ai.mit.edu>
  <1992Dec21.204906.24038@news2.cis.umn.edu>

David Paschall-Zimbel writes:

>It is entirely Double-Click's fault that GW did not make it to market

(Sheesh.. I don't have time to go through his posting line by
line and point out all his naive and "perfect world" ideas..
I've got new messages from the Indigo Girls mailing list to
read, and "Short Bikers" mail to get to.. things that are
infinately more important than bothering with his naivete`)
 
Grow up, David... taking pot-shots from the sidelines is
certainly a lot easier than being on the "firing line" as
Dave Baggett is, but it doesn't add much to your credibility.

Go to Sunnyvale and get trashed by Atari like Dave did, and
THEN come back and talk to us.

Talk to Mike Vederman, who had to take a second job to keep
Double Click alive in the wasteland that Atari has created,
and THEN come back and tell us all how it *should* be.

Talk to Charles F. Johnson and John Eidsvoog, and find out what
platform they're developing their newest programs for, and WHY..
and then tell us what terrible businessmen they must be.
 
By the way.. you seem to have definate ideas as to how people
who try to support Atari with their lives and families should
conduct their business...  can you tell us just what part of
your income is from your efforts to support Atari..?
 
If David Baggett is a lousy businessman for not *demanding*
that Atari talk to him on *his* terms, and Double Click are
"responsible for their own demise", then tell us.. just how
are you able to make a living in the Atari marketplace..?
 
BobR
 
(I don't actually expect that you'll read all this.. and fully
expect some kind of "what's yur problemz with Atari, eh?"
response...  but it's fun to poke you now and then..)
From: dwford@uswnvg.com (Don Ford)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: LLamatron what resolutions?
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:41:34 GMT
Organization: U S WEST NewVector Group, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


hat resolutions does LLamatron work in? I have a 1040STf with an SM124
(mono monitor) and all I get is darkness with soundeffects when I fire
it up. Will it work in 640x400 (hi-res) mode? Is there some other
problem that others have had? 

Please email and I will post a summary.

Thanks,

Don Ford          dwford@uswnvg.com
U S WEST NewVector Group, Inc.
(206) 450-8585
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon030, resolutions, TRUE color, and DSP
Date: 23 Dec 92 05:39:29 GMT
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu () says:

>In article <72180@cup.portal.com>, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Tell me about it Ed.. tell me about 16 Mhz. 16 bit bus 68030s..
>
>Bob, please tell us about all the non-EISA 486DX-33 machines out there with
>16-bit buses...
>
>-- David Paschall-Zimbel
>


Hey, hey...

I'll be first to admit that the Falcon030 even with a Motorola 68030 CPU
at 16 MHz is a good machine.

If Atari could produce say, 500,000 next year and sell them all over
the world, this would definitely work for the company.

But in the back of my mind, I'm afraid that ATARI will only produce
around 50,000 by November of next year.

And in the back of my mind, I'm afraid that ATARI will not advertise
anywhere about this system.

The problem isn't quite with the Falcon030, it is a good computer.
The problem is that the company producing them will need to REALLY
get off their butts and produce and market it.

That's what worries me.

And there is no doubt in my mind that a 16 MHz home computer will
be obsolete BY mid'94.

Can Atari really do anything with the system in less than a year?
I don't know.


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From: keiths@Cadence.COM (Keith Sabine)
Subject: Laser C for the Atari
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:12:27 GMT


Does anyone know if Megamax still exist, and if they are still
supporting the Laser C compiler?

I bought this a few years ago and the last update I have is V2.1
with the 1.0 Laser debugger. I still use it a lot as it is a
great environment, but no-one in the UK seems to offer support
any more... what happened?

If Megamax ARE still there, will it be ported to the Falcon? :-)

Thanx,

Keith.


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From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon needs....
Date: 30 Dec 92 03:35:26 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1hqnj7INN7jq@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>
>Also - has anyone done any DECENT compatibility tests with the new
>Falcon 030,  e.g. testing a reasonably wide variety of Public-Domain/
>Shareware and commercial software.  Particularly programs using the
>sound-chip, which apparently has problems.
>
>Also, can anyone give us a good description of the software packaged with
>the Falcon, not just what it is, but what it does!  

The latest Z*Net has some GEnie messages in which Ron Robinson, who is 
reviewing a Falcon for Atari Explorer, explains some of his experiences with
it.  He mentions software compatibility and some of the software that was
bundled with it.





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