From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu
Subject: Don Discovers Dog Drool; Calls Press Conference, Invites NASA
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:04:29 PST

In article <kciLTB6w164w@jaflrn.UUCP>, Don Becker <grendel@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:
> 
> Again, that damn UUCP thing.
>  
> Muff, you cannot possibly be so thick-headed.

	Don, I wouldn't have said the same of you, but then I read this
message:

>  
> "Why don't you look at the fucking music?" OK. Let's face FACTS (you know, 
> the god-damn TRUTH) for a change. You and I have different perspectives on 

	"Truth" is a slippery word.

> music. I've already said that I listen to more progressive ROCK (i.e.: Yes, 
> Marillion, Pink Floyd) and you listen to thrash. Apparently, our opinions 

	Wrong.  I listen to many things, but this is pointless, as that is no
qualification...

> are going to differ. Now, we both agree that "The Black Album" is 
> substandard. However, you're equating substandard (in this case) with "pop", 

	Wrong.  Read my posts.

> when it's normally the other way around. Any time a band tones down it's 
> music, you yell "SELLOUT! POSER! POP CRAP!". Yes, _Metallica_ has commercial 

	Wrong again.  You lose twice.  Read my posts, again.  Are you having
trouble with my language?  I can excise some of the latinate words &
semi-intricate structures, and then maybe you will be more inclined toward
understanding...

> appeal. I won't deny that for a second. If it didn't, we wouldn't be having 
> this fucking "discussion". But so did ...AJFA. (Remember "One"? How about 
> "Harvester Of Sorrow"?) Now, I know pretty much what you're going to say to 
> this (other than I'm a fucking moron for actually liking the fucking album): 
> "AJFA was born out of indecision." Blah, blah blah, blah blah.

	"Harvester of Sorrow" was sellout material.  One wasn't, mainly because
it still had some form of musical integrity.  HoS was pure shit designed to
sell.  This is what makes this a waffle album, in part (this is all repetition,
but since you didn't catch it the first time, oh well) -- the selloutishness of
HoS vs. the heavier tone of other songs, the technicality mixed with
musicality, etc...understanding, yet?

>  
> "It has nothing to do with the contracts...you can sign a five record deal 
> and pound out five good records...but when you change the music to sell more 
> albums...you've sold out." Yes, they've changed the fucking music. The new 
> album doesn't have the sprawling, complex compositions that AJFA had, and 
> the lyrics have suffered. But Metallica came off the AJFA tour in 1990 
> (having made a LOT of money, even back then), and basically did the album in 
> a year. Again, it's similar to AJFA -- they had to make an album. If they 
> had taken an extra 6 months to sit down and write an album like AJFA, it 
> would've made for a better album. But then people would be saying "This 
> album sucks! It sounds exactly like AJFA! They're making manufactured music! 
> They're regressing to pop!" Just like you've been saying about this album...
> You're confusing commercial success with selling out, and inaccessability to 

	Wrong.  Three strikes.

> the general public with integrity (to borrow a phrase from Sinn). Sorry, but 
> not everyone is willing to drive 57 miles into the woods, knock on a magical 
> rock, and come up with a record collection like yours. Me, I shop at Tower 
> Records. Good selection, but they have stuff fitting my tastes. Some shop at 
> Record World and Sam Goody. They can go to hell.

	Mainstream ripoff places.  Even if you like mainstream music, you can
probably find it cheaper...volume makes for lower prices, remember?

>  
> "Amazing how you have a propensity to attempt to group my statements with 
> weaker arguments because you cannot come up with anything 
> semi-comprehensible in reply. And -- if you can't see the difference -- 
> well, I'm sorry, and try not to pass on your genetic information."
>  
> You consistenly say that *I* have nothing to say, yet your entire post is 
> nothing more than a bunch of digs at me and my family (which were HIGHLY 

	Inbreeding?  Well, it might explain your difficulties with the English
language...there was more to it than that, but you missed it.  That inbreeding
thing again:  dead brain cells, or missing brain cells.  Pity.


> uncalled for) and "You don't bother to read my posts." Well, it's nice to 
> see someone who's not a sysadmin living by the philosophy "There's nothing 
> too stupid for Usenet."

	You _do_not_ manage to glean the meaning of my posts, which leads me to
believe (optimistically) that you are not reading them.  

>  
> Do me a favor, Chris. DON'T FOLLOW UP TO THIS POST! As it is, neither one of 
> us (much less you) is coming up with any real arguments for or against the 
> new album. 

	You aren't.  My arguments stand, as you haven't come up with anything
credible against them.  Pity^2.

>  
> Off to listen to Pearl Jam -- or are they forbidden, too, because their 
> album was #2 on the Billboard album charts for about 6 weeks?

	I have "Ten" around here somewhere.  Uh oh - did I just shatter your
stereotype?

>  
> --Don
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