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From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: averse affects of bodyart?
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:49:09 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

>>>After all, would you *want* to work for EDS ?  8)
>>It might not look bad on a resume....  ;-)
>I would never hire anyone who had ever worked for EDS.  On the other hand,
>I wouldn't mind hiring someone with major full body tattoos, so I may not be
>a typical employer....

HEY ... not all ex-EDSers are or ever WERE H. Ross Perot-noid clones.

Some of 'em are old GMers who got royally toasted when EDS was purchased
by GM.

Some of 'em are folks who took a job with EDS during the period when they
were hiring everyone with an IQ into 3 digits, and paying a decent wage.
(I was in that category.  Believe me, I did NOT fit the mold well at all.
But the training was good.)

Some women dance topless when they really need a job.  Some women go
to work for EDS for a while.
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Celtic tattoo design request
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:30:16 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Hello, there folks!
I'm new to this group, and you would all consider me pretty inncoent in terms
of bodyart (one piercing-left ear. One tattoo- left ankle... frtaernity crest).

However, I want something new and exotic for a tattoo.

No, I'm not going to ask for suggestions... I already knoe what I want.
I want something Celtic... to match my background.

However, here in rinky dink little Halifax, there isn't much in the way of 
resource material. I found one book (no good). That was it. I tried designing 
my own. They looked worse than the book. 
 
Does anyone out there know of a good book available mail order, or that would 
be found in an import shop? The address of Dover would be a big help.

Thanks!
Mike 

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Tip of Tongue piercing?
Keywords: problems? Info?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 00:13:55 GMT

In article <exotica.713739333@milton> exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman) writes:
>(Apologies if this question has been asked before).
>
>I'm planning to pierce the tip of my tongue, just far back enough to wear
>a ring around the end of it. 
>
>Anyone around here have one of these? Know of any problems specific to this
>placement? 

mine was pierced about 1/2" back, measured with tongue fully extended,
and it was fine. i think you will be sorry, tho, if you try to heal it
with a ring.

i think i still have all the responses to my tongue questions, email
me if you'd like them.

>Thanks,
>Tsilke
>"Stone Freak to the Bone"   

tim

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From: lrb@alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: Fred and Wilma!
Organization: Robarts Research Institute, London Canada.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:56:24 GMT
Keywords: n

In article <1992Aug19.194239.1@vax1.umkc.edu> ttasset@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>It's a skull and crossbones, except the skull looks a lot like Fred Flintstone
>and below it, it says "Wilma".  I was quite inebriated when all of this went
>on and I let my friend tell him what to put on.  Now, isn't this kind of a 
>bad idea?  Shouldn't a person be able to make his own decisions as to what 
>goes onto his or her body?  Sure, I like my 'too, but I don't think that the
>guy should have gone ahead with the procedure unless I had of been
>semi-conscious.  
>

i know of no tattoo artist that works on a drunk.  I've heard stories of
people who claimed to be tattooed whilst bombed, and yours is one, but there
are a number of reasons for not working on a drunk:

	1) alcohol dilutes the bolold.  -- you bleed a hell of a lot
	2) drunks can be unruly and the end result is a mess because you are
	   too busy holding down the damn body part to do good work
	3) the skin texture while drunk is a bitch with which to work (this
	   i have no back up and only one opinion of this, perhaps because
	   there is little experience in tattooing the drunk for the other
	   reasons )
	4) you are setting yourself up to lawsuits, in the same way a
	   bartender opens him/herself up for responsibility for the drunk
	   who drives home.  You, being the person in control, must act
	   responsibly for the person out out of control.  so when "bob"
	   comes back and wants that axe-weilding grim reaper removed from
	   his forehead, YOU may well be at the wrong end of a lawsuit to
	   pay for removal.

>Any thoughts?
yeah, get new friends.


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Subject: Head tattoos
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:55:25 GMT

i think ive seen this question asked before but like 
a nimwit i didnt bother remembering the responses
but its not in the FAQ, so its not my fault!
nyah!

is there any problem with getting a tattoo on your scalp?

i know people who have done it (well the women who pierced me had one)
but someone else said that they thought anything above the neck was
illegal...

i live in california and have no idea as to what the tattoo laws are
and i was wondering how much it hurt
(this from a guy who gets his teeth drilled without novacaine.. :)

(i swear i spend months.. nay.. years trying to find the right design
and its been staring me in the face ever since i decided to get a tattoo)


--
If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
much softer place.
				   ,
IravethereforeIam Prod.           dana watanabe
From: lemaire@redx.washington.edu (Edward M. O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Permanence
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:35:48 GMT
Organization: UW Information Systems

I'd like to point out here that body modification would probably
be a better choice of terms than body art.  "Body art" implies
that a modification must indeed be art.

Also, a piercing is more than a body modfication.  I did not get
my nipple pierced so I could show it off in bars.  I got it pierced
because I thought it would be quite the sensual experience.  And it
was; the pain was extraordinary.  Quite an exciting adrenaline rush.  

-- 
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|lemaire@cac.washington.edu    | some trite personal observation, or  |
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From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Stupid questions...
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:53:14 GMT

	Well, now I've got this peircing, and I've got a 'how to care
for your peircing' sheet from our local expert, who did it.

	It's a frenum peircing, a 3/4" ring at the base of the penis
that dangles downwards very prettily.  Anyway, my questions are:

I tend to sweat a lot, and the ring sticks to the skin of my scrotum or
penis and shifts uncomfortably when I move after sitting still for a
while (say, driving).  Is talcum powder a good or bad method of dealing
with this?  At the moment I'm leaving it without powder until I get a
good recommendation.

The other question is more personal.  I have a friend with the same
*hole* I've got, but very different jewlery... he had a straight post
with two balls at the end.  For me, this tiny ring can be pressed flush
with the shaft when I'm fully erect, and is almost completely out of the
way.  Now, my friend complained that he couldn't masturbate for three
months after it was done, but didn't tell me why.  Now, mine is only two
days old, but with a little water-based lubricant I'm not having any
trouble masturbating, so... Is there a health-based reason for not
masturbating?  Will it make my healing time take longer?  Or did his
jewelry (and his perception of pain) just make it harder for him to
come?

Third Question:  My lover's frenum is also a post, and hence he doesn't
have this concern and couldn't answer my question.  Unlike a nipple
ring, there doesn't seem to be a set direction this ring is going to
hang... sometimes it's flush with the shaft hanging down towards the
scrotum, sometime hanging 'up' towards the head, and sometimes just
dangling downwards from a horizontal erection.  Will _that_ make the
healing take longer, because this curved ring is always changing
orientation, depending on how I'm sitting/standing/whatever and how snug
my underwear seems to be?  ;-)

Fourth Question:  Someone send me the FAQ, please... I can't seem to
find my copy.

		Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
From: AMELMN02@ysub.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Looking for tribal dragon flash
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:18:10 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University

In the Oct. '92 issue of TATTOO the lady on the cover, Lois Marsico
has a neat tribal dragon on her shoulder. She says she got it at the
Pittsburg International Tattoo Convention. She is not sure who the artist
was. There is a photo of it on page 49. Does anyone know where I might
the flash for this dragon? Lois is involved with Tony at Fine Line in
Pitts. Any help I can get would be appricated.
Tnx
JK
From: brian@ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: averse affects of bodyart?
Date: 13 Aug 1992 02:57:29 GMT
Organization: The Avant-Garde of the Now, Ltd.
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu

> "I can right my own ticket."

A while back the ACM published a survey which showed, among other
things, that one of the best predictors of success in programming was
high scores on tests of writing skills in one's native language.
I think I'd be much more inclined to worry about that than any bodyart
when hiring someone.

But then, I wear more earrings than all my employees combined, so maybe
I'm not the typical supervisor either.
	- Brian
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: averse affects of bodyart?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:15:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.221112.8816@nevada.edu> clc@big-brother.nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb) writes:
>>After all, would you *want* to work for EDS ?  8)
>
>It might not look bad on a resume....  ;-)

Don't be so sure.

__   -paul asente
\/     asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

The most dangerous creation of any society is that man who has
nothing to lose.				-James Baldwin
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Here we go... deep breath... and...
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059


->      Uh, does this mean to say you held both the hands of your one
-> and only     lover, or that you held the hands of your multiple
-> lovers?
->      Sorry, but curiosity got the better of me, as is usually the
-> case.


 Referring to the Chicago Manual of Style, we find: (condensed)

        lovers' = more than one lover
        lover's = single lover


   FYI
From: aleister.crowley@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Aleister Crowley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: nipple pierce
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:42:00 GMT
Reply-To: aleister.crowley@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Aleister Crowley)
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

Hi, folks!
  My wife wants to get her nipples pierced. We've read the FAQ and all
  that, but we're still somewhat confused. I realize we probably can't
  go down to Wal-Mart and have her whip out her tits (although it might
  be funny until the store's Baptist Morality Squad arrived), so - do we
  do it ourselves, or do we find a professional?

  Are there any good places/people who do piercings on the road between
  here (Central Arkansas) and Arizona? We're driving to Arizona on our
  vacation this Fall (October). How about first-rate tattooists? Yes,
  it's time for more of THOSE, too. Providing we can afford the work, of
  course.

Update: She has reread the PIERCING FAQ, and is now talking about a clit
hood pierce. Oy vey! <smile>

Thanks in advance for any and all help. Please respond publicly or in
E-Mail, whichever suits your fancy.
---
 . SLMR 2.1a . Acupuncturists do it with a small prick.
                                                                                                              
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From: wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene)
Subject: Re: Permanence
Organization: Hell Hole, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:31:35 GMT

I can't agree with Jeff's distinction.  Tattoos are just as
much a fad right now as piercings.  Last night I was at the CW
Saloon (San Francisco thrash club) and about half the crowd
had tattoos up and down their arms (someone's making a mint
off those celtic arm bands) and piercings sprouting out of
their faces.  I never saw such a mash of poseurs in my life.
These same people'll be pushing lawnmowers and mouthing
neo-con propaganda within ten years.  The only difference is
that they'll regret the cost of having the tats removed.

Branding.  Now that I can see as a truly distinctive and
irreversible expression of...whatever.

On the subject, it's weird how time and locale affects your
choices.  When I got my ear pierced ten years ago I had to put
up with a lot of bullshit from yobs.  This was in Portland, OR
at a time when it was assumed you were a fag if you had an earring.
Recently, now removed to the bullpen of weirdos (SF), I had a
peculiarly atavistic and damning emblem inked into my flesh
with barely a fraction of the trepedation I incurred with a
reversible piercing.  O times and mores....
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Tongue piercing and tat question
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:45:34 GMT
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames

"Dana" == Dana Watanabe <dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu> writes:
Dana> shortening the time period also, learn to love listerine and


Hey, the new "Cool Blue" flavor listerine is almost bearable...

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
            '91 CB750, soon to be joined by a '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Head tattoos
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:51:51 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe) writes:
: 
: is there any problem with getting a tattoo on your scalp?
: 
: i know people who have done it (well the women who pierced me had one)
: but someone else said that they thought anything above the neck was
: illegal...
: 
: i live in california and have no idea as to what the tattoo laws are
: and i was wondering how much it hurt

I know it's not illegal in California; I have a friend with a number
of facial tattoos, and I see plenty more.  It's merely inadvisable
unless you're very, very sure of what you're doing, of course.  But
then, that should be true of any tattoo, eh? ;-)

Apparently many tattoo artists are a bit leery of doing facial or
head tattoos as well, just because they can't be sure whether the person
wanting it done is a flake or whether they've really thought it
through all the way.  Nobody wants an angry moron coming back a week
later, yelling "How could you do this to me?"


  VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
             Mason Jones           Charnel House Productions
             P.O. Box 170277, San Francisco 94117-0277 U.S.A.
   ...{uunet,sun}!hoptoad!dante!mason   or   dante!mason@hop.toad.com
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From: zyzzy@milton.u.washington.edu (Zyzzy Galore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: tattoo FAQ
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:46:51 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Could someone tell me where to get the tattoo FAQ, or any other
rec.arts.bodyart FAQs besides piercing? (I've got that.)

Just e-mail.  Thanks!

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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: source books
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:37:20 GMT




I have seen many people asking the "where can I find good examples of X"
questions concerning tattoos.  I will pass along a little hint.  There
is a publishing company called Dover Books, who specialize in public
domain images.  They have books of japanese design motifs, animal woodcuts,
trains, celtic patterns, borders, scientific equipment, optical illusions,
arcane symbols, etc etc etc.  The books are very inexpensive (all of them
are under $10) and they are chock full of good tattoo ideas.  Call your
local bookstore and ask if they carry Dover Books.  For those of you in
San Francisco, the best Dover Books selection can be found at Austen Books
on Haight Street.


Jeff
-FWA
From: dwatanab@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Dana Watanabe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Tongue piercing and tat question
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:59:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <7282@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu> alewis@ds5000.DAC.Northeastern.edu (Drew Lewis) writes:
>I got my tongie pierced last saturday (the 1st) and it seems to be well 
>healed (went surprisingly well..Victoria, the piercer, said I was her
>calmest tongue piercee that she'd done...hurt very little...was more 
>like pressure than the tear my nipple was...my upper ear was
>still the most painful tho.) anyway, I was wondering when i can take out 
>the 1in barbell I have now and put in a 1/2in?

well you can put in the 1/2" barbell as soon as it fits

this can take a bit of time, didnt they reccomend something like
2-3 weeks?
and i hope you measured your tongue to make sure that the 1/2"
bar will fit..

best way to keep the swelling down is to suck lots of ice
if you do it the first day, it helps A LOT, after that
it is good for shortening the time period
also, learn to love listerine and dont try to drink through a straw
for awhile, ESPECIALLY milkshakes... not a fun thing



--
If we were still going barefoot the world would be a
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				   ,
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From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Subject: Re: where to get info on meaning of symbols
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:05:56 GMT

grenade@ozrout.uucp (Kate McDonnell) writes:

>01sybok writes:


>>The Celtic designs very often involve threes ( three lines, three swirls in a
>>circle, whatever.) This in fact is a symbol of the Holy Trinity.

>The Celts had reverence for a much older triad than the Christian
>trinity - the Goddess, in her form as maiden, mother and hag. 
                                                          ^^^
                                      or the more 'positive' term, 'crone'
	                                    
	annemarie, with aa milne's piglet on her arm
	asuccop@u.washington.edu
	
>Kate

>(who has a triple-spiral on her shoulder, with no trinity in
>mind)

>-- 
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>Kate McDonnell, infographiste                      grenade@ozrout.uucp
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From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Shower Crayons
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:47:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.asuccop.714023257
Organization: University of Washington

dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths) writes:

>In-Reply-To:  ISSJXS@BYUVM.BITNET

>> I really do get into playing with shower Crayons, and I can
>> see how someone could find tatoos and body art attractive.


>Thats an interesting point. Now I'm not disputing that you have fun
>with these things, but isn't the whole significance of most body art
>its very *permanence*. 

	well, i dunno.  i've done temporary body-painting (once w/
	food coloring mixed into zinc oxide, & once w/just plain 
	watercolors) & i have a small tat, & *both* counted as
	'body art' to me.

	one's just around for a lot longer...

	annemarie
	asuccop@u.washington.edu

>          Andy Dingley    dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
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From: tara@socrates.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Naive question about piercings
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:49:28 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland University College

I feel really silly asking this, but how can you have sex if you are a
male and have a piercing somewhere on the genitals?  It seems as if it
would get in the way.  I don't know anyone with a piercing, and I
don't really know what most of the explanations of piercings ARE.  If
you have a ring (or is it a barbell, or a rod or what?) through the
foreskin, how could you possibly have any penetration?

I really do feel sheepish for asking this, but it's been bugging me
for a while now, and I'd really like an answer.

Tara
-- 
Tara McDermott            "We suggest people take their Food Pyramids,
                            cut off the top and make a Healthy Eating
tara@socrates.umd.edu         Trapezoid."  -Neal Barnard, M.D.
From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Permanence(Re: Shower Crayons)
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:30:50 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Aug18.045311.1986@spatula.rent.com> ahm@spatula.rent.com (Andreas Meyer) writes:
>dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>> In-Reply-To:  ISSJXS@BYUVM.BITNET
>> > I really do get into playing with shower Crayons, and I can
>> > see how someone could find tatoos and body art attractive.
>
>> Thats an interesting point. Now I'm not disputing that you have fun
>> with these things, but isn't the whole significance of most body art
>> its very *permanence*.
>
>I think I understand what you're trying to say here, but why does
>something have to be permanent to be art, or for that matter,
>significant?


I find the thing that makes tattooing much more enticing than piercing
and/or body painting is the permanence.  It is a commitment to a change
in appearance.  Piercings can be removed, body paint can be washed off,
but once that tattoo is on, it is there for life.

Anyone on the street can get a tongue piercing.  Once it heals, you can
remove it for work, or for that meeting with your mother, or because after
a while you do not like it.  It makes it much easier for people to do
these things, since they know they are not permanent.  

A question for the heavily (or obviously) tattooed people out there.  Clearly,
the most common comment that you hear from non-tattooed people is "did
it hurt?"  Is the second most common comment "I've wanted a tattoo for years.
I want an X on my Y"  To which you think, "Yeah, right, sure you do."


I think that the other forms of decoration are interesting, but ultimately,
they are all temporary and because of this, the power of the statement of
what you have done is diminished.



Now, on the original topic.  If you get crayons, and dip them in water (remove
the paper first) you can draw on skin.



FWA