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From: chris@bss2.umd.edu (Chris DeJong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Question about "The Loss" (Possible spoilers)
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:09:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Behavioral and Social Sciences, U of Maryland

I have a quick question from "The Loss" (The Enterprise is trapped in a 
field of two-dimensional objects, Deanna loses her "sense", etc...)

Riker is talking to Deanna is her quarters (she has a major attitude) and 
he calls her "Imzadi".  Now, I've seen a lot about "_Imzadi_" lately, but 
haven't read any of the articles because I'd like to eventually read the 
book.  Without giving away too much of the plot to the novel, can someone 
tell me what this term means?  Is it a term of affection?

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: What would it take to beat the Borg?
From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot)
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:04:05 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <1992Jul24.135829.19351@yang.earlham.edu>, alexv@yang.earlham.edu writes:
> In article <1992Jul22.052230.25855@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, hpky@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (Hanan Polanski) writes:
>> In <1992Jul21.233857.10678@csus.edu> byron@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Byron Chun) ponders:
>> [see subject]
>> 
>> 	How about a particularly *nasty* computer virus??
>  Actually, not a bad idea.  Now if only we could justify biochemical
>     warfair... :-(
>> 	How about lotsa 'nanites'??
>   Actually, if you like the novels, the nanites can not be used.  Much to 
> Starfleet's regret, the nanites applied to be concidered a species, and
> it is against regulations to breed a species for war. :-(. In any case, 
> you can't make a nanite do what a nanitie doesn't want to do. 
> 
> In other words, Starfleet regulations alone stop us from doing anything
> really *nasty* to the Borg unless they 1) ask for it(and sign a 
> contract to that affect), or 2)we teach them individuality(another 
> good idea), or 3)we send out another Kirk who doesn't even know what
> Starfleet regulations are, much less follows them(9 in one month.. And
> Picard only broke 3, what a shame...)
> -Alex



Hmmmm...  How 'bout:

	1.  Somehow trick the Borg into going into a regeneration mode
	(sort of a "sleep" mode, I guess.)  This would render them
	incapacitated.

	2.  Somehow infuse the Borg with the idea of individuality,
	causing them to each develop personalities and perhaps erode
	the power of the unifying Borg consciousness.

These are just ideas, though ...  :-)
-- 
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"We're going to kill the California girls."  - Thurston Moore.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: TOS Regulars in TNG or DS9? (was Convention w/Brent)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:08:08 GMT

>In article <1992Jul13.234701.25673@reed.edu> odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin) writes:
>>  - James Doohan *is* supposed to at least be in a TNG episode this
>> upcoming season.  Scotty gets brought forward in time and stranded
>> there, then becoming a regular on either TNG or DS9.

In article <1992Jul22.153415.2015@midway.uchicago.edu> kmrc@midway.uchicago.edu responds:
>I ain't holding my breath--good news like this always seems to
>disappear in the daylight.

>But if it was for real. . .

>COOL!

I wouldn't care for this.  If Doohan became a regular (and I don't for
a minute think he will) it would distract from the rest of the actors
on TNG.  Why would Paramount want to pay lots of money to Doohan for
being on TNG or DS9?  It can't be for ratings; TNG is the highest
rated syndicated drama on TV and DS9 will already have a built-in
audience when it premieres, with the words "Star Trek" in front of it.

As much as I never thought I would say it, let's leave the ST Classic
"Big 7" characters behind.  I would be happy to never see *any* of them
on *any* new Star Trek TV episode or motion picture ever again.  That
includes Spock returning or anybody else.

At one point when TNG started, I (and many others) wanted to see
"whatever happened to Kirk" or Spock or McCoy.  We have seen what
happened to Sarek and Spock and perhaps McCoy.  I think that we have
outgrown wanting to see the ST Classic regulars on TNG and should
concern ourselves with the characters presented in TNG and DS9.
ST VI, in my opinion, had the perfect ending; the ship going off
into the "sunset" and letting us have our own ideas about the fates of
the ST Classic regulars.

The ST Classic regulars have been playing the same role for over 25
years.  In my opinion, Paramount should let 'em rest and ignore
entreaties by agents wanting their clients to get one more big
payday (and no, I have no idea how Doohan came to consider the
mentioned role).

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: ncc1-1701a model with
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:05:24 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

>Where did you see this model?  Do you know who the manufacturer is?  How much
>does it cost?  Just wondering.

These are found in any toy stores, model stores, or hobby stores.  The
entire Star Trek model set are issued by AMT Ertl and are dycasted
plastic.  They're all in a mold and usually consist of about 30-50
pieces approximately.  For accuracy, I recommend getting the exact
paints as indicated.  Modelling is really for fun but can be done
professionally.  If you're going to get this model JUST BECAUSE it is
Star Trek may not be wise, because most likely you'll muff up big time.
Experience is highly recommended.  I've been making plastic models for
over 4 years now (I'm now 14).  The first two year models are unbearable
as I really didn't know quality and care.  Trust me, you need
experience.


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Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
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From: mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca (Edna Mueller)
Subject: trading card wanted
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:06:52 GMT

Does anyone have an extra trading card from the new
series (TNG on blue backgrounds, Impel ?) that they are 
willing to trade.  The only one I need is the language
card of "Space...the final frontier" in German.
I'm willing to trade for any doubles I have or a small
monetary amount. :-)

Please e-mail me.
				Schmeby
					    mueller@cage.eng.mcmaster.ca
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: 'trekkies' in unexpec
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:05:23 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

>>Is Star Trek so much a part of American culture nowadays that being a fan is
>>no big deal anymore?

>I think so.  I've seen references to "warp speed" in the newspapers,
>and I think the term "warp" in the context of locomotion became
>popularized by Star Trek.

Don't forget the fact that Star Trek has also been an imperative part of
CANADIAN culture!  :-)


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Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
INTERNET: bernie.wong@canrem.com


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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: How old is the net? (Was: Re: Another temporary farewell...)
Keywords: th-th-th-th-that's all, folks...
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:53:50 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <7852@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> ns@planck.physics.purdue.edu (Nancy M. Schnepp) writes:
<In article <1992Jul19.124719.25016@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu 
<(Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
<*
<*Funny, though, I don't remember this in net.startrek or
<*rec.arts.startrek before TNG premiered ...
<
<Just for curiosity's sake, how long have the Star Trek groups
<been around on the net?  How long has the net itself been around?
<Who out there has read the group the longest???
<Stop me...

OK, your stopped!!!!!

I've been reading news for about 15 years.  It has been around a lot longer
than that.  I don't have the history handy, but there is definately a history.
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From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Subject: Re: COMMENTS ON STAR TREK V
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 11:24:15 GMT




In a previous article, scottgor@jaflrn.UUCP (Scott Gorcey) says:

>umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rick Lippens) writes:
>
>> >From:	FALCON::WINS%"<p5ku@jupiter.Sun.CSD.unb.ca>" 20-JUL-1992 12:21:10.58
>> >From: BAMFORD <p5ku@jupiter.Sun.CSD.unb.ca> writes.....
>    
>     I dunno.  I'm a screenwriter, a student of film in general... and
>   the problems in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier from a basic 
>   story-structure point of view could be presented in the "What Not
>   To Do" section of an Introductory Filmmaking Textbook.  
>     What was Kirk's dramatic need in Star Trek V?  You could make a 
>   case for several, but none of them strong cases: his dramatic need
>   was to get back to his vacation.  His dramatic need was "to know."
>   Sure.  
>     There was NO driving plot in this movie, no identifiable theme,
>   no good acting (not to say, no good actors; just no good ACTING),
>   no good ANYTHING.


>     Nope, it was a good decision on the part of Steven Charles Jaffe
>   and Leonard Nimoy to "forget" Star Trek V when making VI... A good
>   idea for us all, I think.
>
>

I saw Five a few times, and Six twice.  I agree that Six is the
better movie, but I think Five was better Trek in a lot of ways.
Six just didn't seem to care whether it was Trek or not.  I find it too
irritating to watch over and over.  Five, I could watch, the same way I
watch One, by skipping the plot.  Ignore V-ger and Sybok's little god, and
enjoy the rest.

Of course, my favorite is Three, which was -great- Trek.

Bonita Kale
From: learnd@lafcol.lafayette.edu (Dave Learn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:21:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <363@sbmsg1.UUCP>, slj@sbmsg1.UUCP (Shelly Jones) writes:
> If there was a new Star Trek Series (meaning aboard an Enterprise), what would
> you like to see?  Captain Sulu, aboard the 1701-B (Excelcier Class)?   Captain
> Garret aboard the 1701-C?  Captain Cutter John in the StarChair Enterpoop?
> How about it folks?

Cutter John has promise.  :-)

I wouldn't mind seeing some more of the Enterprise-C with Rachel Garret.  A
series would be especially good for that, I think.  Imagine: a starship
with a WOMAN for a captain.  Now THAT'S going where no one has gone before.
Or as long as we're going to be Enterprise-only, why not some adventures of
the original Enterprise crew with Captain Pike?  Granted, Majel Barrett,
Leonard Nimoy, and Jeffrey Hunter et. al. might be a little old to reprise
their rolls from "The Cage," but I'm sure other actors and actresses could
be found who look similar enough.
     But why restrict ourselves to the Enterprise?  Deep Space 9 is actually
somewhat more daring that TNG since it is not following the footsteps of
Classic Trek so closely.  Chances are that since the crew will NOT be
exploring (not that Enterprise-D has, all that much), the writers will need
to be more imaginative and actually DEVELOP (God forbid!) the characters
into real people.
     I'd also like to see other parts of the Star Trek universe developed.
We really know little of the Klingons or Romulans, one of the reasons why
Diane Duane's "Rihannsu" and John Ford's _Final Reflection_ were so popular--
they made the unknown real to us in a way TPTB haven't.  Other aspects of
the Federation would be nice to see, like Vulcan and Earth.  And on and on.
     Something else I wouldn't mind seeing (and I realize this was intended
as a joke when it first appeared) would be something like the Young Indiana
Jones Chronicles, but based on one of the Star Trek heroes like Kirk.  I
think it would be good to see their characters fleshed out some more.
     But that's just me.


Dave Learn, Knight of the Wolves         "What an extraordinary thing to
dl20@lafayacs.bitnet                      do--and you only a stutterer."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: mmmirash@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:33:18 GMT

In article <weQfEIi00WBLM1OVIv@andrew.cmu.edu> pc20+@andrew.cmu.edu (Peter Yung Chang) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.startrek.current: 26-Jul-92 Re: Star Trek
>VI: The Undis.. by Dave Learn@lafcol.lafaye 
>> Lasers have no mass--phasers are phased matter and energy, and have been
>> shown to exert a physical force.  See ST3:TSFS, where Kirk fires a phaser
>> at a Klingon on Genesis.  The Klingon is thrown back against a tree and
>> presumably dies on impact or in the air.  But the phaser blast threw him a
>> good distance.
>
>I can't believe everyone on this net is discussing the physics behind
>this!  Has everyone gone bonkers?  Doesn't anyone understand that this
>is a HOLLYWOOD MOVIE?!!!  We see people get thrown back just about
>everytime someone gets shot!  It's called EXAGGERATION for entertainment
>purposes!  Why does everyone insist on treating movies as if they were
>real life, that every aspect has to be realistic?  Sheesh!
>

     The Trekkies are an elite group, who are visionaries of future 
technology. Star Trek IS NOT just another Hollywood movie as you put
it. There are already lots of people who deride ST and call it a lot
of sci-fi junk. I hate these jerks....and you seem to be one of them...
...please refrain from posting to this newsgroup.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 06:40:15 CDT
From: <U16028@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Scotty in ST:TNG season 6 episodes???

There have been some theories posted as to how Scotty can appear in the
TNG time frame and not be as old as the Admiral shown in EaF.

I don't know the actual Earth years that TOS supposedly took place during,
but would it be possible that Scotty was on the Boseman, from "Cause and
Effect", and is now in the TNG universe?

Does anybody have the appropriate information so that the ages and years
can be calculated?

Thanks, in advance.

Terry
U16028@uicvm.uic.edu
Xref: sparky rec.arts.startrek.misc:7609 rec.arts.startrek.tech:4281 rec.arts.startrek.current:10740
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:48:43 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <weQfEIi00WBLM1OVIv@andrew.cmu.edu>, pc20+@andrew (Peter Yung Chang) writes:
>I can't believe everyone on this net is discussing the physics behind
>this!  Has everyone gone bonkers?  Doesn't anyone understand that this
>is a HOLLYWOOD MOVIE?!!!

Hey, everybody!  Someone who doesn't believe Star Trek is real!

Dang.  I suppose he has a life, too.

-- 
You're traveling through another dimension -- a dimension not only of sight and
sound but of mind. A journey into a wonderous land whose boundaries are that of
imagination.  That's a signpost up ahead: your next stop: the Twilight Zone!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: rtwall@eos.ncsu.edu (RICHARD TODD WALL)
Subject: Star Trek 25th Anniv. Computer Game
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:29:18 GMT

	I'm playing the Trek 25th anniversary computer game and I am firmly
stuck.  If you have solved the game or are pretty far into the game could
you please e-mail me.  I have a question about how to set the controls on the
eclipse(sp?) machine...

	Thanks...

		rtwall@eos.ncsu.edu 
			&
		todd@beretta.bacchus.org
From: becker@edwards-vax.af.mil
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Shatner proposes idea for Star Trek VII
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:14:42 GMT
Organization: IFAST - EDWARDS Air Force Base

From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)writes.....

>>7) Scotty bumping his head on the bulkhead. Gee, chuckle the clown in the
>>  23rd century.
>>
>>yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung)

 >No, just didn't watch where he was going.  And it was funny! :-)
 >
 >becker@edwards-vax.af.mil

<it might possibly have been faintly humorous during the movie . . .
<if they hadn't plugged it over and over again in the previews and
<television commercials.  stupid asinine idiot moron PR people
<do _not_ understand that it's not funny if you know it's going to happen.

I for one was not looking for that scene during the movie, so when it did
happen it was funny.  

>>At the start of the movie, they make 
>>a really big deal about the ship not in working order (even the recorder is
>>not working right). But after the ship leaves the dock, there was no 
>>mention of it anymore. Everything seems to work fine except the transporter,

 >Maybe not vocally mentioned but you see it throughout different scenes that
 >things are not working properly.

>"not vocally mentioned"??  how else can you "mention" something?

well, ok, so I didn't spell it out exactly for you.  I assumed you'd understand
what I ment.  You don't have to "mention" something for someone to get the
idea something is not right.  In the beginning of the movie you are made
very aware through conversation that things are not working correctly, then
they continue to let you know by visuals that things still are not working
as they should.


>ok
>dpm
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From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Shatner proposes idea for Star Trek VII
Date: 25 Jul 92 09:26:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Jul23.024930.4268@r-node.gts.org> yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung) writes:
>In article <1992Jul19.231837.6135@leela.cs.orst.edu> petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen) writes:
>>
>>And that is exactly the point I (and the movie, IMHO) was trying to make.
>>We should always beware of "false prophets" and "gods".   It became quite
>>clear to the Big 3 and Sybok (as well as to me) that this *being* was not
>>God or any god of any sort.
>
>No offense but.... it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure THAT
>out. The non-god thing said so himself (or was it just in the novel?). 
>So, again, there is no question, no search, no quest. Kirk & company was 
>there just to *react* to the situation.  
>

But until that point (almost the end of the movie) there was certainly a
quest at least by Sybok and his converted followers.  And as to Kirk and
company; I think McCoy half believed, Spock was willing to at least look
at what his brother was so certain about and Kirk, as usual, had his
doubts and was originally only interested in saving his ship and later,
when the planet was actually there, interested, again as always, in 
taking a look.  Certainly IMHO, a search and a quest, albeit on different
levels.

>>And what's wrong with the ending?  "Geez, I guess that guy wasn't God."
>>A number of individuals thought it was and they were proven wrong. 
>
>Who's *they*? Sybok and who?

"They" refers to Sybok's converted followers, who certainly seemed to
believe in what he was preaching.

>> It
>>was entirely a creation of Sybok's own ego.  Something we should all be
>>wary of.  (Creating God or gods in our own image.)  If indeed God exists
>>(and I have my doubts) he/she/it is beyond our comprehension and cannot
>>be put into a neat package.  As Kirk says (at least, in part, an answer
>>for himself if not for others) if god does indeed exist, then perhaps
>>it is inside the *better* part of ourselves; our caring for others, our
>>loyalty, our compassion.
>>
>
>That's what I called pointing out the obvious. Would you care if they make
>a Star Trek movie about the importance of brushing our teeth before going
>to bed? Maybe I am particularly serious about this topic, but I think the
>search of god is the ultimate quest of mankind, the true final frontier
>of knowledge, and ST V trivialized it as if it is somekind of a storybook
>with a moral for a five years old.
>
I think Star Trek has always *trivialized* major issues, in order to show
just how trivial our differences are.   However, I disagree that ST V
trivialized the search for god.  It did however put down following blindly.

>Amos Yung          | Macintosh Jr.: The power to crush the other kid.
>yung@r-node.gts.org| 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Marg
aka Elvira
From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Kobayashi Maru Question
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:07:39 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <1992Jul26.015405.28259@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>
>As for Maru, I once looked this up in one of my Japanese textbooks.  It
>is a word appended to the name of ships.  Hence, loosely speaking, you
>are correct in saying that it means 'ship'.  It does not mean 'zero', as
>someone previously stated.  I say that because my textbooks was quite
>adamant in explaining that the word 'Maru' has no other usage in
>Japanese.
>
The character the Japanese use for "maru" is the same for ships as well as
the meaning of "circle." Furthermore, it also means "correct," but this is
more like check marks on homework or exams. Japanese teachers circle correct
answers ("maru") and put x's over wrong answers ("batsu").

h.
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: New season start date
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:09:34 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Jul27.195506.7520@nntp.uoregon.edu> eric_gorr@coglab_psych.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr) writes:
<
<Yo, people.  This argument isn't worth the time.  I was the one who first
<asked the question and have received an adequate responce.  I didn't mean
<to start a flame war over this....just ignore brown and maybe he'll just go
<away.

What me go away?  NOT!
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