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From: msardar@digi.lonestar.org (Mohammed Tariq Sardar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: WAS NEHRU SLAPPED ?
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:45:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.




Hi,
	Recently i came across an interesting article in one of the URDU magazine. It
described an incident which took place prior to INDIAN & PAKISTAN partion, i belive
it was in 1945-1946. This was the time when both MOSLEM LEAGUE and the CONGRESS were
campaigning for all the disputed states (JUNAGHAR, KASHMIR, HADERABAD....etc).

The leader of the CONGRESS party Mr NEHRU was determine not to lose his grip on
KASHMIR, being of the KASHMIRE origin this was a personal challange for him. The
CONGRESS party was very active in KASHMIR, just as it was in HADERABAD where the 
NAIZM was having nightmares. Not to go through the same ordeal the MAHARAJA of
KASHMIR was preventing all political activites from the state of KASHMIR, his goal
was to maintain KASHMIR as an independent state.

The MAHARAJA had given very strict orders to ban all political gathering, also
to prevent any high ranking leaders of the CONGRESS party from
entering KASHMIR. Not to be out done by this order Mr NEHRU proceeded by road to
violate this Royal decree accompanied by some other officials of the CONGRESS party.

When they were about to enter KASHMIR, the party was stopped by a police patrol
belonging to the MAHARAJA. Mr Nehru insisted on entering KASHMIR to attend the 
rally, but the police officer kept saying:
             "NEHRU SHAIB MUJA BOHAT SUKAT ORDERS
              HAIN KA AAP KO KASHMIR ANA SAY ROKA JAAY" 
              (Mr Nehru i have strict orders to prevent you from entering KASHMIR)



When Nehru tried to push his way through the corden of police, the officer on duty
SLAPPED Nehru on the face. Dazed  by this unthinkable act Nehru said the following:


		 RAJA NAI MERA MOOIN PAY THAPPER NAIN MARA BALKKA
		 APNI KISMIT KOO LAAT MARI HAY

		 (Maharaja has not just slapped me, but has ruin his destiny)


  It's for this reason, soon after independence the MAHARAJA of KASHMIR was exiled
  for life and his son was made the "MAHARAJA OF KASHMIR". Can some one confirm this
  story.


  							regards

							Tariq Sardar
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: the terminator part n : )
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:52:04 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <BtzB4H.FCK@acsu.buffalo.edu> memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>Is it just me or heavan sounds like one big orgy?  And then good thing
>is it never stops. It would be pretty painful after the first couple of
>hundred thousand years, don't you think.  With the abundance of hoors, would
>menage a trios and menage a quatre and menage a quinze(sp) be ok to indulge in.
>Naveed

	   Interesting question! I know that Islam includes the area from
navel to knee to be private even from members of identical genders
(unless sexual relations are allowed between the two individuals).
Hence, of the top of my head I can forsee problems with "group sex".
However, laws for the heavens are different from laws of the mortal
world, and there might be specific injunction that allows "group sex."

	   In fact, that brings me to an interesting intellectual
question: Is homosexualily premitted in paradise? 

dsqa


-- 
"To have loved and lost is better than to have won.... For, the burden
of victory has to be shouldered throughout life, and all losses rest
easy in the insatiable abyss called grave." 
--- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar CS Dept Duke U  azhar@cs.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: qazi@nevada.edu (USMAN QAZI)
Subject: Re: DESI JOKES (adults) #10
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:53:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.221654.13572@digi.lonestar.org> msardar@digi.lonestar.org (Mohammed Tariq Sardar) writes:
>
>
>No discriminations are intended towards any minority group, purpose of
>the joke is to build bridges and see the lighter side of our culture.
>
>
>
>	 Title of the Joke:	     EVERY THING IS BIG IN PUNJAB
> 				     ----------------------------
>
>*********************WARNING WARNING AUTHOR DOES NOT TAKE ****************
>*********************RESPONSIBILITY MENTAL BREAK DOWN     ****************
>
>
>
>
>Mr SINGH a high ranking official in  INDIAN politics is visiting Britain for the 
>very first time. To make his stay as comfortable as possible the British goverment
>has arranged for a young girl to escort Mr SINGH around LONDON.
>
>As soon as Mr SINGH gets off the plane, the young girl approaches our DESI PHRAA:
>
>English Girl:	    "WECOME TO ENGLAND Mr SINGH" and they shake hands. Then all of
>		    a sudden she realises Mr SINGH is quite well built, unable 
>		    to hide her feeling she say's 
>		           "WHAT A BIG HAND YOU HAVE MR SINGH".
>		    
>SINGH:		    (Smiling a little, he replies) LADY EVERY THING IS BIG IN PUNJAB.
>
>			     
>		   After leaving HEATHROW AIRPORT(by passing immigration), he checks
>		   in to a hotel, after which the young English Girl takes Mr SINGH
>		   out for late dinner. During dinner Mr SINGH consumes fair amount 
>		   of wine(he is use to drinking LASEE). By this time the young GORI
>		   MAAM is also plastered and ask whether Mr SINGH would like to dance.
>		   
>
>English Girl:	   (As soon as she puts her arms around his shoulders, she says)
>		   OOH MR SINGH WHAT A BIG PAIR OF SHOULDERS YOU HAVE.
>
>SINGH:		    (Smiling a little, he say's) LADY EVERY THING IS BIG IN PUNJAB.
>
>		    After dinner they come back to the hotel room and one thing leads
>		    to another, before you know it both of them are taking their cloths
>		    off and the girl can't hide her feeling.
>
>English Gilr:	    OOH MR SINGH WHAT A BIG THING YOU HAVE.
>
>SINGH:		    (Still smiling, he say's) LADY I KEEP TELLING YOU, EVERY THING 
>		    IS BIG IN PUNJAB.
>		    Next the girl takes her bra off and Mr SINGH notices she has 
>		    breasts size of PUNJABI mellons, unable to hide his feeling 
>		    he goes " LADY,  ARE YOU SURE, YOU ARE NOT FROM PUNJAB"
>
>		    
>
>		    					Tariq Sardar


In my version (which uses a big, boastful Texan, they undress and turn 
the lights off. After some fumbling , the Texan exclaims, "Lady, you seem to be from Texas too!"

I think this makes it naughtier ;-})

Usman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: szkazmi@unity.ncsu.edu (Syed Zafar Kazmi)
Subject: Re: Alt.urdu.poetry
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:17:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.215808.6278@news.mentorg.com>, ali@simdiv1.mentorg.com (Aliasgar Haveliwala) writes:
|> Hi guys;
|> 
|> How about creating a new group "alt.urdu.poetry" for 
|> all urdu lovers.
|> 
|> 
|> If there is sufficient interest, we should go ahead
|> and do it.
|> 
|> 
|> Ali
|> .
|> 
|> -- 
|> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Ali Haveliwala					  ali_haveliwala@mentorg.com	

A great idea!!

Zafar Kazmi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ktaslee@eos.ncsu.edu (KHURRAM  TASLEEM)
Subject: Travel Information
Originator: ktaslee@c00028-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: ktaslee@eos.ncsu.edu (KHURRAM  TASLEEM)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:54:16 GMT


Hello!  Assalam-o-Alaikum

I am thinking to go to Karachi coming December from Raleigh-Durham to
Karachi or Washington D.C. to Karachi.
Can someone please recommend some reasonable and reliable travel agents to 
get a roundtrip ticket to Karachi.
Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Please also give any good or bad experiences with the travel agents.


                        Thanks in advance  Khurram Tasleem
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic
From: u8800914@cs.uow.edu.au (Mohammad Salim Olime)
Subject: testing
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:50:51 GMT

justing folk.
From: a9@public.BTR.COM (Ashar Nisar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Invitation: California Bay area SCPeers
Keywords: california
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:56:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: BTR


This was orginally posted as Farewell party for FZ. I have been told
that he is leaving sooner than I thought. 

But since we already have some RSVPs, so there will be a get together anyway.
Everyone is "cordially" invited.

We even have TWO guests of honors lined-up, namely:
    Imran Anwar (coming from New York)
and r3po (from California)

If you would like to attend as a guest or as guest of honor, send
me email. Some restrictions apply (see attached). Residents of California
add 8.25% for TAXi cabs. 

Place: Santa Clara/Sunnyvale, CA.
Saturday 29th August 1992. 2pm - onwards

Warning: "Gher Muhazab Harkaat Karney Waloon Ko Hawala-e-Police Kia Jaey Ga 
         (they are always looking for hiring such people)"

-ashar
a9@btr.com

I am posting it to other states, because I am still expecting guests from
Washington D.C., and Arizona.

------------------------------------original-invitation-attached-------

[this is a serious invitation]

How about a party for FZ at my place? I think I will be a perfect
host for his party - since I dont know him. But seriously, a friend
of a very close friend mentioned his name to me when he was coming
to California. Too bad, i could not meet him earlier (I always wanted
to meet "legends" since my childhood).

Please RSVP if you are interested. (and if we are not out of luck, we
may even get FZ to attend too!).

When: Sat August 29 (or Sunday) [pick your pref. date (this or Sept 5,6)]
Where: Santa Clara/Sunnyvale, CA  [Near Central Expressway]

Food: Lots of munchies, crakers, snappers and similar junkies PLUS vegetables!
Drinks: Strictly non-alcoholic (as an exception we can serve Nyquil for those
        who can produce doctor's prescription).

The maximum occupancy limit is 76 persons (provided half of us can
stand on one foot). If there are more, I can reserve the club house.

Restrictions: 
  - Fire code does not allow dancing inside buildings
  - Due to the availibility of a real piano there is a serious risk that you 
    may end up listenig to FZ's "musical" talents
  - If you get intoxicated by caffine, Surgeon General will not be responsible

let's keep our fingers crossed (the way they are) and hope FZ will accept
this invit.

-ashar
a9@btr.com

Glossary:

FZ: Farrukh Zafar
junkies: An assorted mix of different substance that is almost edible
Fire Code: American interpretation of Islamic Law
SCPians: See junkies

PS: this posting is going out to everyone mainly because it will help people
    in the East Coast and Newzealand to do early travel arrangements and also
    because distribution "ba" does not always work properly.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.indian
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: GAYS in our society
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:11:05 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <5787@transfer.stratus.com> me writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.151218.23727@prism.poly.edu>, ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:
>> >From: waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi)
>> >Subject: Islam and gays
>> 
>> >                     Islam's Hidden Homosexuals
>> >
>> >                               by
>> >                          Zuhair Kashmeri
>> >
>> >                      NOW, July 30_Aug 5, 1992
>> 
>> 
>> Nah!!!
>> 
>> I read  3-4 years ago an autobiography of  SANA HASAN -- an Egyptian 
>> woman of very prominent family.
>> The book is about her visit to Israel before the Camp David agreement.
>> She describes with a great passion her love affair with a Jew girl while she
>> was staying in  Israel.
>> 'Enemy in the Promised Land' by Sana Hasan( Random House Inc. 1988) paperback.
>> 
>> As far as men are concerned, the famous gay was Sultan Ala-ud-din Khilgi(India)
>> who had a decade long love affair with his slave Malik Naib. This kid killed
>> the Sultan during an intimate hour. 
>> The source of this story is Zia-ud-din Burni--- an official historian in 
>> the court of Feroz Shah Tughlaq. 
>> 'Tareekh Feroz Shahi' by Zia-ud-din Burni
>> 
>> Arshad
>
>Do not go far away just read "YADOON Ki BARAT" by Josh Malih Abadi. This book
>is an autobiography of Josh, he himself right about his family home and
>Luchnow culture. About his college days and extra extra. I do not have the
>copy here in states You can read this book and find above topic. 
>
>MEER NAZIR

Well... for that matter, in Urdu poetry, one hardly finds the 'mehboob'
addressed, or referred to, the way one would normally address/refer to a
female ;-)

Nadeem

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7882  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.turki
From: akasim@nyx.cs.du.edu (Abdul Kasim)
Subject: Re: ISNA Convention
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 21:41:09 GMT



The 29th ISNA Convention shall be held 4th - 7th Sept. at 
Kansas City (home!). I look forward to the opportunity of
possibly meeting some of the USENET crowd. Please reply to
this posting if you need any information about the convention 
or any other info. about Kansas City. 

You may also call me at (913) 967-3098 (Work) or (913)-642-9034 (H)

Khuda Hafiz.

--
Abdul Kasim
Sprint

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From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: khawatain o hazraat kee khidmat main aik ailaan
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:08:14 GMT
Organization: UB






Announcement #1.


Live Mushaira in Buffalo
presenting
India's well known Urdu Poets

Janab Kaifi Azmi
and
Janab Javed Akhtar

and an oppurtunity to meet 
Shabana Azmi
Begum Shaukat Kaifi
Farooque Sheikh

On Tuesday, September 1, 1992 at 9:00 pm at the residence of

Drs. Sabahat and Tasnim Raza
317 LeBrun Road
Amherst, New York

(716) 835-8790


Announcement #2:

Appearing for one performance only
Shabana Azmi & Farooque Shaikh
IN

Javed Siddique's Urdu Play
Tumhari Amrita

Directed by: Feroz Khan

Adapted from A.R.Gurney's "Love Letters"

Date: Wednesday, September 2, 1992
Place: Pfeiffer Theatere, 681 Main Street, Buffalo, New York
Time: 8:00 pm

Tickets: Vip, $50.00, $25.00, $15.00

Available at:
Travel House: (716) 835 2141
Mini Mart:    (716) 835 4770
Raj Mahal:    (716) 834 6433


For more Information:

835 8790 Drs. Raza
773 1234 Mr. Pandia
688 1987 Shamim Iyoob
689 7537 Anil Bansal.



That concludes this community service announcement.


And if you really get lucky, you may meet me at event 1 and talk to me,
touch me, feel me and live to tell your kids about witnessing Greatness
first hand. 

:)




Naveed
From: afzaal@mace.cc.purdue.edu (S. Afzaal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re:Multiple Wives
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:02:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

Rukhsana Merchant writes:

>A second point is that men are not able to deal with past relationships
>of women, no matter their own past relationships.  It is not in man's
>nature to share his wife with another.  

This is a great generalization. I am sure we know exceptions to the
above. There are many men  who are either involved or married
to women who have already been in relationships. It is more
common in this culture perhaps than the Pakistani culture but it in no
way indicates that it is something in `man's nature'.  Perhaps
it is something more cultural.  Of course there are always
feeling of envy  and pain when another person  is involved. Most of us  know 
that a woman also experiences the  shattering pain when the man she loves is involved
with someone else. It is an incredibly difficult emotional
experience. Honestly Rukhsana, is it in your nature to 
share someone you may be  inlove with with another woman??.  
I don't think this nature business explains polygamy in 
Islam at all. What I am surprised at is that it is coming
from a woman.  I don't think it is anymore a woman's nature to 
share the man she loves than it is a man's nature. If you have seen
a woman go through such an experience, some one close to you,
you know what I am talking  about. 
 

Rukhsana Merchant also writes:

>The obligations and duties may not be identical but they also best
>suit the nature of each of the sexes.  Trying to say that Islam is 
>sexist because something given to one sex is not given to the other
>is not correct because there are benefits given to one that are
>not given to the other and visa versa.  They have different obligations
>and rights but there is equality.

I  agree with you there. But things like religion are a matter
of faith and not explained logically. Equality is a very shady
term in such a complex situation. IT is almost a buzz word without
much meaning.  Read Sura-tu-Nissa and tell me
that men and women are equal. It clearly states that men have a
degree higher than women. Where does it talk about equality???
When it comes to explaining a religious commandment  which  doesn't
quite make sense to us , we  can explain it  
logically in terms of its social benifits if we  like. Everythng
has its explaination if you look for it.  

Sunia Afzaal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: How the Europeans overtook the Arabs...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:43:00 GMT

In article <sebONji00VAwE2_pFI@andrew.cmu.edu>, ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes...
> 
>A book I looked at recently had three reasons why the
>Europeans were successful in taking over the sea-routes
>from the Arabs.
> 
>(i) Since the Mediterreanean was an Islamic pond (so the book
>says :-)), the Europeans had to learn to navigate in the much
>more inclement Atlantic.
> 

   Seems an oversimplified picture.

>(ii) Islam uses a muezzin to call for prayers; the Christians
>use church bells. The expertise in casting bronze bells was
>easily transferred to casting cannon.
> 
   Ottomans and some of the Muslim Kings in India also TATAR converted
   to Islam did know how to make canons. I am not sure but I read
   somewhere that canon business started in china long ago and was 
   known to arabs ?.

>(iii) general Middle Eastern shortage of timber !!
> 
   It is hard to understand that MOORS in spain, MUGHALS in INDIA
   or Ottomans in Turkey had any shortage of timber. Even these days
   these areas have planty of it. Mountains arround GARNADA are full
   of timber. So is Savile. (If you read the last few years of moors 
   in garnada it won't take you much to findout the real cause of their 
   downfall). It is intersting to note that Colombus discovered AMERICA 
   about the same time as moors were defeated in Garnada (+1year).

>So, with skills honed in the unforgiving, stormy Atlantic,
>cheaper resources to build ships, and superior armaments,
>the Europeans edged out the Arabic and later Ottoman fleets.
> 
   Arabs did not cross Atlantic but they did go upto china.
   Not an easy way by any standard. Also all the methods for
   the navigation are due to arabs.

>Any comments ?
	
   Murphy's Law: every society/culture/religon/God/ism or individual 
   is bound to be edged out by the flow of time.
   (do you know any exception?)

   {When I was a kid and read about moors and asked my mother why
    they were defeated by christians. My mother told me that they
    were punished by god for drinking alkohal.}

> 
>-arun gupta

Mirza Ilyas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mughal@juliet.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: Job in Islamabad as a monitor for the Voice of America
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: job, Islamabad, VOA monitor
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.182110.26649@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, was@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (wasif.sattar) writes...
>I just came across this article in rec.radio.shortwave. Perhaps it may be
>of use to someone on s.c.p. 


     Question, why is VOA transmission banned in United States itself ?

     due to possible backfiring of misinformation ?


     Asim Mughal
     [Standard Disclaimer]
> 
>Best wishes,
>Wasif Sattar (was@lcuxlm.att.com)
> 
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> 
> 
>From att-mt!p916.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org!Bill.Whitacre Mon Aug 24 10:17:49 1992
>Path: cbnewsm!att!linac!uwm.edu!wupost!uunet!blkcat!Uucp
>From: Bill.Whitacre@p916.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Whitacre)
>Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
>Subject: Employment - Monitoring VOA
>Message-ID: <714661211.F00001@blkcat.UUCP>
>Date: 24 Aug 92 14:17:49 GMT
>Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
>Lines: 22
> 
>The Voice of America has plans to a new Technical Monitoring Office (TMO) in
>Accra, Ghana sometime before Christmas.  We are in need of persons to 'man' this
>office as well as other TMOs in Hong Kong, Islamabad, Nairobi, and Bahrain.
> 
>If you or someone you know is interested please e-mail, write, call, FAX me for
>more details.
> 
>Briefly, we're looking for someone who has experience monitoring or in amateur
>radio, education (not necessarily a college degree) in electronics or
>electronics-related fields, demonstrated ability to live and work abroad, and
>high level of motivation.
> 
>Voice:    202-619-1758   FAX:  202-619-1680
>Internet: bill.whitacre@f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org
>Mail:     Bill Whitacre
>          Chief, Frequency Management & Monitoring Division
>          Voice of America
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>          Room 4607
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> 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: rs@sys.uea.ac.uk (CHE Guest News Login)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Eik pent, do kaj
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:53:49 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

obaid@ecf.toronto.edu writes:



>What does the urdu/hindi word "pent" mean ? 
>As in the saying "Eik pent, do kaj"...of which the english equivalent would be
>"Killing two birds with one stone" 


>Nadeem

Dear Nadeem,
	In Hindi / Urdu , the saying is "Eik panth, do kaj", not "pent".
Panth means way out/ means/ procedure.
and 
kaj means work/ job/ assignment

Hope that helps
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Bharat's Ballistic Missiles
Date: 30 Aug 92 10:10:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wecEwk600Vp1ECNkVv
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



I would like to point out that

(i) an year or two ago, Pakistan supposedly acquired medium-
range missiles from China

(ii) read Retd. Pakistani Air Marshal Asghar Khan's book on
the 1965 war to find out who started it. At least you can't
call that book Indian propaganda !!!

-arun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan