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From: barrett@daisy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan P Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:24:26 GMT
Organization: Dept. Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: daisy.ee.und.ac.za

In article <1glhcpINNkgt@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>,
stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes:
In article <BzBBMJ.4xp.2@cs.cmu.edu> Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu writes:
> My "attitude" is that those people who voluntarily provide support by 
> providing MX records do not automatically come under my control just
> because they are providing an MX record for me. Period. 

I missed the start of this discussion, so I hope that I am have not
completely misunderstood, but it looks as though two groups of people
are talking at cross purposes here, with both groups being right (or
nearly right).

It seems to me that you *can* be in charge of _the MX records_, even
if you are *not* in charge of _the people_ or _the equipment_ that does
some of the work that is needed to make the MX records useful.

For example, suppose that you have a site that is not IP reachable,
and that a volunteer (with the necessary equipment, connectivity, etc.)
is willing to provide nameserver service for you.  If you register a zone
for your site and edit the master file for that zone, then I would say
that you are in charge of the zone, even though you would not be able
to install the updates yourself.  On the other hand, it seems clear that
you would not be in charge of the volunteer person.

--apb
Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa
RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za                    Bang: m2xenix!undeed!barrett
From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: To kill a modem...
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:31:14 GMT

In <1992Dec27.010353.13086@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chris@castlab.uucp (Christian) writes:

>Question for all you wise people-

>Is there an easy way to hang up on a modem if there is more than x minutes of
>idle time? I don't want to write a c program... it seems you could just have
>cron do its thing every 15 minutes or so, and reset ttya if its idle > hour.

>Any hints?

(I tried emailing you but it bounced.  Besides, there might be
others interested in untamo.)

Depending on modem, there is probably and s-register for this.  My USR
modems, for example, let you put in the number of minutes of idle time
that you want and it will disconnect after that amount of time.

Alternatively, you can get untamo (ask archie for location) and it will
automatically logout users who exceed a certain idle time (it can do many
other things, supposedly--I don't use it myself).

Good luck!

-- 
Ken Bibb                "he heard the snow falling faintly through the
kbibb@qualcomm.com	 universe and faintly falling, like the descent of
jester@crash.cts.com     their last end, upon all the living and the dead."
				--"The Dead", James Joyce
-- 
Ken Bibb                "he heard the snow falling faintly through the
kbibb@qualcomm.com	 universe and faintly falling, like the descent of
jester@crash.cts.com     their last end, upon all the living and the dead."
				--"The Dead", James Joyce

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: automatic mail to folders
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:08:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.214418.13107@ramon.bgu.ac.il> arthur@ivory.bgu.ac.il (Arthur Goldstein) writes:
}I would like to set up a system for automatically moving mail to different
}folders for some friends who are using the Pine mail reader.  Teaching them
}to use another mailer is not a good solution for them.
}
}They are using the Unix system and I was thinking of writing a script that
}would read from /usr/spool/mail and based on key words extract email
}and automatically place it in specified files while leaving some mail
}in /usr/spool/mail.

I have a filter that sorts it when it comes in, and use the .forward to
send my incoming to the script.  Would something like that do?
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Question on Poste
Keywords: bye
From: rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 20:43:12 EST
Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 786 0476

dtg@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

> ...
> I seem to be having a problem with acquiring this demo.  Originally, they sai
> something to the effect that their Sun demo was not available due to their
> upcoming new release, and now, no one from the company will return any calls.

Do you really want to continue to deal with a vendor that won't
even return your calls?

--
UUCP: {uunet|backbone}!railnet!rad   rad@railnet.nshore.org
CompuServe: 72517.666@compuserve.COM
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sources.wanted
From: tga@oar.net (Germann Associates)
Subject: Re: RFC822 parser library?
Organization: Ohio Academic Resources Network
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 17:09:17 GMT


Try the c-client available from cac.washington.edu (somewhere under the
pub tree).  The name is c-client.tar.Z


Eric
============================================================================
Eric Germann                               Quote for the campaign:
The Germann Associates                     "Lead, follow, or get out of the 
eric@tga.com                                way"   - Lee Iacocca 



In article <TML.92Dec23214353@hemuli.tik.vtt.fi> tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist) writes:
>I am looking for a parser library for RFC 822 headers.  The interface
>could be something like this:
>
>	1) First call some function that parses the headers from a
>text stream (fil, buffer, whatever), and stores it in some internal
>data structure. 
>
>	2) After this, you can call funtions to enumerate and retrieve
>what headers were present.  The headers are available both in "raw"
>form (exactly as in the text stream), and in some pre-digested form
>with comments stripped, multiple recipients in a linked list, dates
>converted to time_t (or perhaps struct tm), etc.
>
>Not wanting to re-invent the wheel, is such a beast perhaps already
>(freely) available?  Thanks for any pointers. Reply by both posting
>(to the benefit of others, and I'm probably too busy to make a
>summary), and by mail (I might forget what newsgroups I posted this
>question to :-), please.
>--
>Tor Lillqvist,
>working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland,
>Laboratory for Information Processing (VTT/TIK).


-- 
============================================================================
Eric Germann                               Quote for the campaign:
The Germann Associates                     "Lead, follow, or get out of the 
eric@tga.com                                way"   - Lee Iacocca 
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:4080 comp.sys.sun.admin:9723
From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: sendmail.cf and uucp style mail
Date: 24 Dec 1992 12:38:42 GMT
Organization: Her Master's Voice
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: britt.pax.tpa.com.au

This is probably an FAQ, and I am sure I read somewhere how to do this easily,
but I thought I'd ask anyway ....

I have an Internet style mailing setup with minimal mods to sendmail.cf and
using the MX version of sendmail under SunOs 4.1.2.

I don't have uucp set up, and whenever mail inadvertantly gets directed to
a uucp style address I get the following sort of thing ...

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Cannot exec '/usr/bin/uux' errno=13
554 site!name... Service unavailable

This is not surprising, reading throught the rules in sendmail.cf.

Now I gather that if I could make sendmail forward all such messages to a
site that can do uucp stuff, eg. munnari.oz.au, by mapping the address to
something like "site!name@uucp.munnari.oz.au" then I am set.

I presume there is a "standard" way to do this with the sendmail.cf that is
supplied by Sun ... I am loathe to go hacking at it myself in an uninformed
fashion !

david
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: ATTMail to MCIMail and X.400 gateway(?)
Date: 31 Dec 1992 21:58:17 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil wrote:

: (It's nice to know that MCI and AT&T are not trying to cut costs by routing
: mail between them via Internet, at someone else's expense.) 

It's also a shame that MCI and AT&T don't recognize internet mail addresses
for each other's systems and route them for you via X.400 (or whatever
transport mechanism they use), rather than making the user learn the
intricate details of their interconnection mechanism.

Transit of commercial e-mail over the Internet need not be "at someone
else's expense", either - if there is a preferred routing between the
two sites that travels over commercial IP networks (e.g. CIX member nets)
then there is absolutely nothing wrong with "cutting costs" by using
those facilities.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB
From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Return-Receipt-To & forwarding...
Date: 2 Jan 1993 20:39:50 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
NNTP-Posting-Host: skyking.oce.orst.edu

In article <davecb.726000727@yorku.ca> davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown) writes:
>
it would be nice if you had bothered to attribute the following quote.

>|Your accusation that skyking is losing mail is in
>|reality the admission that mail is NOT reliable. 
>
>No, I meant it as a serious comment.  

It has nothing to do with the discussion of what not getting an error
message back from mail means. As such, it was a deliberate twist in the
discussion in an attempt to bypass your ludicrous statements about mail
reliability. Mail isn't relaible, and you admit it by accusing skyking
of losing it.

>And I don't appreciate your .plan entry:

Then don't finger skyking. I really don't care whether you appreciate my
plan or not. You don't have to look at it.

>  I have already responded to the problem of user/administrator error:
>you need to consider whether or not you're letting this get too personal.

You are the one who started this by telling me to read the RFCs and
consider myself insulted.

>I'll respond the the factual content of your scenario in another message.

I await your waffling with great waves of anticipation.


Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: tiakjung@xenon.iss.nus.sg (Chng Tiak Jung)
Subject: Re: e-mail to databases
Reply-To: tiakjung@iss.nus.sg
Organization: ISS Research
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:59:16 GMT


-- 
Chng Tiak-Jung                               Internet: tiakjung@iss.nus.sg
Institute of Systems Science                           Phone: +65 772-6704
National University of Singapore                         FAX: +65 778-2571
Singapore 0511                       BITNET: ISSCTJ@NUSVM, CHNGTJ@NUSDISCS
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 22:23:10 GMT

In article <V1L9VB3w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson) writes:
>Hmmm... some site would need to advertise itself as a top-level server
>for .UUCP?  Not likely, not for free?  Or is it really all that big a
>deal?  Has any site actually ~tried~ it, to show what the results would
>be?

It wouldn't have much effect unless it was one of the root nameservers.

>For example, suppose UUNET declared itself the top-level server (and,
>thus, only server, as .UUCP is not sub-domain-ized <ick>) for .UUCP.
>If the MX record for willard.UUCP were to indicate a path of
>gatech.edu!vdbsan!willard!%s, or something similar, would that not still
>route mail in the exact same way that UUNET would route mail otherwise?

You're thinking UUCP again, Willard.  We're not talking hops here.  MX's
point to a single host, not a list of hops.  It would be up to the object
of the MX to provide the rest of the hop information.

>Mail would not need to be sent to UUNET in order to see that the route
>to willard.UUCP would best be through the indicated path.  So, a tighter
>link between MX/pathalias would not be necessarily a bad thing, unless
>the resulting load on the system acting as the nameserver were such that
>it would in fact be inpractical to implement.
>
>What have I overlooked?

The fact that you'd have to reconfigure the majority of mailers out there
in order for it to work  (Remove CPUUCP from the sendmail.cf) while at
the same time add every single host in pathalias database into a .uucp
DNS domain.  You can't have a mix of the two systems.  Either the mailer
will trust DNS for an MX record, or use pathalias. (or punt the mail to
a host that does do pathalias)  The mailer can't do both.  (Unless you
massage the maps periodically to remove UUCP hosts that have DNS records,
and change your mailer around to use pathalias first, then DNS, which
would be icky.)

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
End of article 2565 (of 2565)--what next? [npq]
From: Paul Nash <paul@tantrum.csir.co.za>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Microsoft Mail <-> SMTP for SCO
Date: 23 Dec 1992 09:13:25 +0200
Organization: Infotek, CSIR, South Africa
Reply-To: Paul Nash <paul@tantrum.csir.co.za>
NNTP-Posting-Host: nuustak.csir.co.za
X-Disclaimer: The opinions expressed below are purely personal
X-Disclaimer: and in no way represent the official view of CSIR.

Thus spake sean@ost40.utoday.com (Sean Fulton):

> Anyone know where I can obtain source for an SMTP <-> Microsoft Mail
> gateway to run on an SCO ODT 2.0 system??

MS-Mail uses a proprietary encryption scheme, which makes it almost
impossible to roll your own gateway.  Microsoft will, however, _sell_
you an SMTP gateway (that runs on a stand-alone PC) for plenty $$$
(more than your original MS-Mail license).  To be able to generate
SMTP addresses in outgoing mail, they'll also _sell_ you an SMTP
addressing module (one for each postoffice that you want to be able
to send SMTP mail) for even more $$$ (more than the gateway cost).

We have be lumbered with an MS-Mail system (20-odd postoffices) which
we have been trying to make talk SMTP.  The gateway itself is quite 
flakey, although we have managed now to get it to stay up for up to
24 hours at a stretch!  To do this, we had to use two SMC ethernet
adapters, and put the IP leg on its own ether segment, shared only 
with one Unix host which is the MX target for all the postoffices.

If it's not too late, do yourself a favour and scrap MS-Mail.  Change
to Pegasus (free), which has a very nice gateway (Charon, also free)
which will also handle LPR/LPD printer queue gateways between Novell
and Unix.  MS-Mail is a _serious_ dog, to be avoided at all costs.
-- 
 Paul Nash                                   (voice) +27-12-8413050
 Network Services, CSIR Infotek                (fax) +27-12-8414109
 PO Box 395, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa    (home) paul@frcs.alt.za
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: pickup@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Simon John Pickup)
Subject: UUCP for Apple //
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:25:02 GMT

Is there anu UUCP software available for Apple // computers, Apple //gs or
othwrise?

Email replies preferred.

Merry Christmas,

__________________
Simon Pickup
pickup@ee.mu.oz.au
From: ck060@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric L. Hinson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Looking for Internet / DeVry Gateway info
Date: 28 Dec 1992 01:59:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ck060@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric L. Hinson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I have a friend named Larry Turnbull, who is a student at DeVry Technical
Institute in Atlanta, GA.  He told me once that the way he gets on the
systems that he learns how to program is through gateways.

I do not have telnet/ftp access, but do have internet E-mail and (of
course) usenet access.  Could someone that knows more about this gateway
tell me how I can go about locating and then sending mail to him?  I do not
have his phone number, or I'd call and ask him more about the gateways
since I jave just recently started using the internet.  Thanks
--
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(_  _  ' _  , /    <__/ ' __  .     __  , Eric L. Hinson
(__/(_/_(__/ <__, _/ /_/_//<_/)_<>_//<_/  St. Augustine, FL
 
CFN: ck060@cleveland.freenet.edu      CALFN: ab069@swrl36.calstate.edu
APK: Eric.Hinson@apk.wariat.org   TELERAMA: ehinson@telerama.pgh.pa.us
FIDONET: Eric.Hinson@f723.n3605.z1.fidonet.org    HAM CALLSIGH: KB4RZF
* * Electronic mail replies welcome at ck060@cleveland.freenet.edu * *
From: mea@utu.fi (Matti Aarnio)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: About FTP mail
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:20:14 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In comp.mail.misc  W.M.Chung <wmchung@ie.cuhk.hk> wrote:
>Hello!
>
>I have a question about FTP mail. I know that FTP mail can mail
>a specific file to a user. If the file is a program, than how
>to extract from the mail? As you know, a mail has a mail header
>in the front.

  There is no single beast known as "FTP mail".
There are many different packages which provide similar services,
namely are able to fetch any file from any site (altough might
refuce some sites due to slow lines/poor responces/..):

	Oldest of the lot:  ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
	Another:	    mail-server@nluug.nl

many sites have mail-based servers, which send out local files
to whoever asks them. Some sites (within Europe) have a policy
that files are delivered only to recipients with FQDN addresses
(no .UUCP) altough notification about bad address is attempted
to deliver to original address.

  Major FTP sites do tend to have such service, address at site
depends upon used software.   See   news.answers  for FAQs covering
this topic.

>Thanks!
>
>W.M. Chung
>wmchung@eng.ie.cuhk.hk

	/Matti Aarnio <mea@utu.fi> <mea@nic.funet.fi>
Xref: sparky comp.mail.misc:4075 comp.sources.wanted:5481
From: tml@tik.vtt.fi (Tor Lillqvist)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.sources.wanted
Subject: Re: RFC822 parser library?
Date: 23 Dec 92 23:37:50
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory for Information
	Processing (VTT/TIK)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tik.vtt.fi
In-reply-to: tml@tik.vtt.fi's message of 23 Dec 92 21:43:53

In article <TML.92Dec23214353@hemuli.tik.vtt.fi> I wrote:
> I am looking for a parser library for RFC 822 headers.

The c-client library (from IMAP, ftpable from ftp.cac.washington.edu)
seems to be what I need, but I have to look into it more to be sure.
--
Tor Lillqvist,
working, but not speaking, for the Technical Research Centre of Finland,
Laboratory for Information Processing (VTT/TIK).
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: lq@gagme.chi.il.us (Ryan M. Lee)
Subject: Usenet/Inet mail in Sarasota, Fla
Originator: lq@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:06:16 GMT


For the holidays and for a few other visits 
throughout the year I will be in Sarasota, Fla.
When I'm down there I would like to be able to
check messages and mail without calling back
here to Chicago. Could someone tell me if there
are any systems that I could use in Sarasota or
in the 813 area code? 

                                 lq@gagme.chi.il.us

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: wmchung@ie.cuhk.hk (chung wai man)
Subject: About FTP mail
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 15:00:11 GMT

Hello!

I have a question about FTP mail. I know that FTP mail can mail
a specific file to a user. If the file is a program, than how
to extract from the mail? As you know, a mail has a mail header
in the front.

Thanks!

Please reply to:
wmchung@eng.ie.cuhk.hk

W.M. Chung
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Is this a known bug of sendmail or ucbmail?
Date: 22 Dec 1992 20:06:54 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


A user sent me a copy of a message he had received, containing the line
	Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:35:01 +45722724
which causes ucbmail to say
 N 53 scotty@cats.UCSC.EDU  Mon Dec 21 16:10  19/713   "Re: Xerox 820 word pr"
 >  54 jacques@cats.UCSC.ED  Wed Jun 22 09:27  23/912   "Re: time weirdness"
note the weird date.  

Is this some well-known bug that I haven't seen the fix for?
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: renkel@rtsg.mot.com (Will Renkel)
Subject: mail on a MIPs server
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:09:58 GMT


I am trying to work in a crazy world where my workstation is a SUN and my mailserver is a MIPs.
The problem - I cant get the mail system to look at the .forward file.
I assume that it would be looked at by the mail software on the MIPs server.
Anybody got ideas or advice?
Thanks in advance.
-- 
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From: Heikki.Haldre@mbbs.tartu.ee (Heikki Haldre)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: HELP! FAXing by E-mail
Date: 21 Dec 1992 15:09:37 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hi

I was wondering whether it is possible to send FAX by E-mail.

In an E-mailing guide it is written:

 Sending mail from Compuserve to FAX ( U.S.A only )
  for example, fax number is +14155551212
  then CompuServe mail address should be 'FAX 14155551212'
  
 Sending mail from Internet to CompuServe
  for example, user ID is 71234,567
  then address should be '71234.567@compuserve.com'
  
Is it possible, without being CompuServe member, to send FAXs? 
If it is, how does Internet mail address look like?

Thank You

Please E-Mail me to heikki.haldre%f60.n490.z2.fidonet.org@mbbs.tartu.ee 
or heikki.haldre@mbbs.tartu.ee ( the first one preferred )

--  
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