HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: blaby@fraser.sfu.ca (John Edward Blaby)
Subject: Re: Uh oh! Zip Cache is messed.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:10:15 GMT

Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher) writes:

>>Uh-oh.. I've installed my 64k SRAM Cache, and my Zip Control Panel and
>>Zippy have both said that I only have 8k... What's up here?

>Have you changed the dip switch settings? I think there's something on there
>that has to do with cache size.. I can't check because Zip didn't put
>anything in the manual, it's all in that stupid hypercard stack.

Wrong Clayton..the switch settings and descriptions are in the manual!

Anyhow..for 64k cache..SW1/7 and SW1/8 should both be set to off.

I hope that helps!

John
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From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Which language?
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:21:17 GMT
Reply-To: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Lim Thye Chean writes:
>
>1) What language (besides assembly) allows me to write games easily without
>   menu and windows interface? Assembly is nice, but it is difficult to do
>   path, complicated animation, etc.
>

This isn't a flame, Thye Chean, but with proper design and decomposition
assembly is actually fairly easy to work with--provided you have the proper
mindset and don't go in screaming "it is impossible to write large programs
in assembly language!"  Most games have a few basic sprite routines which
are almost always written in assembly language (even if the game is written
in a high-level language).  Animation is simply done using tables and
very simple state machines.  This is done very easily in assembly language.

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From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: installer
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 13:49:25 EST
Organization: L/A Blues BBS - Auburn ME (207) 777-3465 & 7782

And Jawaid brilliantly replied to the foolish query:

|>I want to write whatever script needed to install PageWriter onto
|>peoples disks - hard or 3.5.  Where are the docs for the installer?
|>Thanks                  Larry
|
|  And the Lord Sayeth "Grabbeth thee thy technotes and study them,
|and at least grabbeth the technote Index".
|
|  I forget the actual number, but it's in one of the IIgs technotes
|(I just had to dig it up myself).

And he did duth look and found # 64 beyeth the required note.  
Forsaking
all others, he sayeth "danke, danke billione mal danke!!"   Larry

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From: grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas)
Subject: Re: a question of storage
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 17:12:19 GMT

In article <2B3D4D2D.7137@ics.uci.edu> jimmys@ics.uci.edu (Jimmy Shaw) writes:
>I am leaning towards the floptical drives because of the ability to
>read Mac and IBM (with the new FST with 6.01) 1.44 High density 3.5s,
>and from the ads from the current MacUsers, the flopticals can be had
>for around $359, which is less than the cheapest Syquests (around $399.)
>The price differnce isn't really an issue, since it's only around $50.
>But the storage is only 21 megs (probably less, since formatting takes
>up some space, I don't know how much), as compared to the 45 meg
>syquests (which is around 41-43 of usable space.)  Since I do plan on
>using the removable as a backup device, as well as a primary storage
>on the GS, the size of the media is an issue.

Well, I agree with a lot of this (I also want a floptical), but what I
have seen of the floptical drive, the 20MB cartridges are actually a
little cheaper per Meg than the Syquest cartridges.  The flopticals are
also physically smaller (the size of a 3.5" disk) so they will fit
nicely in my disk holders.

>I have the Rev. C Apple SCSI card (the really slow, non DMA variety),
>and the RamFAST SCSI card rev. B board, with ROM 3.00(something), I
>will probably need to upgrade the roms again to work with the
>flopticals.

Hmm, there was a file posted just recently to c.b.a2 to use the Apple
SCSI card with the floptical drives.  And upgrading the RF ROMs isn't
that much of a pain.
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From: sadasiva@utkvx3.utk.edu (Sadasivam, Krishna Madur)
Subject: Interplay
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:58:00 GMT

Are there any other IIgs programs to be released by Interplay, besides OOTW
(which I'm still playing!)?? I think that OOTW has got to be the BEST game I've
played on my IIgs, and that a sequel of some sort should be in the offing!!

Oh, and here's some totally unrelated information. The Transformers are being
revived...a new cartoon mini-series is in the works, along with new toy
figures. Just thought I'd share that.


Krish


Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Apple II Networks
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:58:19 GMT

Well, certainly there is ProLine - run strictly on Apple II machines. 
Then doesnt GBBS have a network?  And what about the AppleNet, METAL
and some of those other boards - do they share networking?
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From: paw@ausom.oz.au (Peter Watson)
Subject: Re: installer
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 10:28:36 GMT
Reply-To: paw%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider) writes:

>Where is the information about the installer?
>
>I want to write whatever script needed to install Pagewriter onto
>peoples disks - hard or 3.5.  Where are the docs for the installer?
>Thanks                  Larry

See IIgs Tech Note #64: Apple IIgs Installer and Installer Scripts.
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From: keithk@ocf.berkeley.edu (Keith Kong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: kermit & hp48
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:11:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

I'm one of those lucky people who has an hp-48sx and I was wondering
if anyone has successfully made an Apple IIe and hp-48 communicate
using kermit.  When I tried to send some file from the hp to the Apple II
using kermit386, I get some error message saying file-header not found.
I also have problem sending stuff from the Apple II to the hp.  Something
about transmission error after the last packet gets sent.  Has anybody
come across the same problem?  I was sending some ascii text file
and I wonder if this is the problem (maybe the hp takes only special
hp files).  Or perhaps I need a newer version of kermit?  Any help
would be appreciated.

Keith Kong
From: co057@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven H. Lichter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Wanted
Date: 21 Dec 1992 21:49:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I'm looking for the RamWorks III Expander and the RGB option for it.
Amount of Ram does not really matter as long as the price is right.
E-mail here or on any Ogg-Net System to user #1 Apple Elite II.
.
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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: Out Of This World Easter Eggs?
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 20:09:25 PST

Easter Eggs??
I've played the game and don't recollect easter eggs.
Could you elaborate?

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From: dsdd@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Roy Barrett)
Subject: Re: HP Laserjet III Questions???
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 18:25:31 GMT
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NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

As far as I know, the LaserJet III doesn't use AppleTalk networking.  I am
not positive, but I would suggest another way, since the III uses a parallel
port.  Get a parallel sharing device, you can find these anywhere, and hook
your GS w/ parallel card up to the sharing device.  If you can't afford a
printer sharing device, get an automatic data switchbox, and use Harmonie.
From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Wish list for FAX software on the GS
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:52:52 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MuGS Research and Development Facility

The following revelation escaped Soenke Behrens's lips:
> 
> 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:
> 
> >    How about this feature called "Silent Answer"?  What does that do?
> 
> It's supposed to let you distinguish FAX/voice if the software supports it.
> It is, alas, very poorly (read: not at all) documented for Supra modems.
> But ppl on comp.dcom.modems got it to work, so it must be possible :)

    I heard a lot of people bitching about some of their software not being
able to use the Silent Answer feature with their Supras.  Their modems seem
to have some reliability problems...

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From: unknown@Apple.COM (Matt Ackeret)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Turbo mouse
Date: 2 Jan 93 00:01:41 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <lv72328@pro-applejacks.cts.com> terry@pro-applejacks.cts.com (Terry DeSmet) writes:
>The Turbo mouse I was using with my GS is broken and I'd like to replace
>it.  Does Kensington still make them for the GS, and does the Mac version
>work on the GS at all?

ADB is ADB is ADB..

There isn't a Mac version of the trackballs and a GS version because both the
Mac and GS use ADB.  It's sort of like how there aren't different
external modems for different computers..  All of the computers talk to the
modem in the same way, so you don't need a different version of the
modem for each computer.

That's not trying to be condescending, I'm just trying to point something
out.  In fact, I bought a Turbo Mouse used a few months ago and on the 
box they mention the GS along with the Macs in the list of computers it works
on.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: kls0@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Plague)
Subject: Trouble printing with ProTERM 3
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 06:34:21 GMT

OK, I have a GS, Panasonic 1124, and a Parallel Pro w/256k Buffer Pro, and
when I try to print a file from ProTERM 3.0, PT crashes.  Not into the monitor,
but I get like an 80 col. screen, but only every other vertical line has text,
and it's garbled text.  Anybody know what the deal is?

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From: johnp@silver.lcs.mit.edu (John Palaima)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: GS id
Date: 1 Jan 93 17:25:07
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Distribution: world
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I am interested in telling WHAT machine a program is running on to activate app
ropriate title screens text coloring etc on the GS and //e and i need the addre
sses to poke.. I trie both $fbb3 and $fbc0 on my //e and my friends GS and THE\
Y MATCH.. i was told there are a total of 4 bytes i need to check..where are the other 2...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: niall@deepthought.unm.edu (Beastie)
Subject: Re: comments
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 01:23:31 GMT
Organization: The University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM
Distribution: comp.sys.apple2


  I too am a long-time Apple // user and a current Mac user.  The
ridiculous amount of mac-bashing has driven me away from this group
(after this message).  I've read so many misconceptions, false-
hoods, and downright moronic messages in this blind hate against
Apple.  Are you the people that used to call the Soviets "commies"?

  Get Lives.
From: cd248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Sherman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Can't get Mac TT fonts to show up
Date: 28 Dec 1992 05:47:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Sherman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I'm having trouble getting TrueType fonts from a Macintosh to show up
on my GS.
 
I formatted a macintosh disk on my IIgs and brought it to a friend's
house where he copied some TrueType fonts over to the disk.  When I
put the disk in my machine, the files show up in the finderas an
"unknown" file type.  What gives??
 
I'm using a GS with system 6.0 and Pointless installed.  BTW, my friend
used Fontmonger to convert some of the fonts to TrueType although I
don't
think this should make any difference.
 
I'm also wondering where I can download TrueType versions of Avant
Garde,
Palatino, and Zapf Chancery.  GEnie and cco.caltech.edu don't seem to
have them.  Any other good sites for TrueType fonts?
 
One last question.  I downloaded the TrueType version of Times from
cco.caltech.edu and the file is about 240K.  Why so big?

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From: bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon)
Subject: Re: Please help me, my GS is falling apart!!!!! :-(
Organization: ProLine [pro-scat] St. Petersburg, Florida.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 02:23:46 EST


Well Scott... I had similar problems... SCSI card wouldn't be recognized,
or if it did, I would get corrupted data written to my partitions... GS
Ram+ with 6 megs would give errors when using the test utility provided by
AE specifically for that card (call 1-602-992-9789 to download the GS
Ram/Ramplus test prog).... I was also getting random errors, once even the
infamous 0911 error...

I checked out everything, and found out that it was a failing power supply
causing the problem.... I ended up installing a cut down apple /// (Yes,
Apple ///) power supply, in my own case, and with the increased output
every single problem vanished....

It was really strange, cause the self test would indicate zero (none) in
the problem area... and different cards would fail at different times...
but no more problems now!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: FAQ?? Can someone mail it to me??
From: visser@eedwsa.itwol.bhp.com.au (Martin Visser)
Date: 4 Jan 93 08:38:34 +1000
Distribution: world

Thanks, Martin
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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: Comments Anyone?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 07:52:09 GMT

I, for one, find it hard to believe that John Sculley frequents a BBS
in Riverside.. but anything is possible.  However, I'd tend to say the
post was a fake as what CEO in his right mind would leave clear directions
on how to contact him?  I'm an officer of a _small_ corporation and 
wouldn't have time to answer calls like _that_.  Sculley is head of
Apple, and I'm sure he definitely doesn't.

Still, I'd be interested to know if the post was not forged, and if he
really _is_ accepting phone calls.

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From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Why didn't my apple need a screen saver?
Date: 3 Jan 93 01:43:54 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: MuGS Research and Development Facility

The following revelation escaped Jawaid Bazyar's lips:
> 
>   Well, see, you're one of the special few who have come to realize that
> 'screen saver' is a marketing term.  The more appropriate term is
> 'user bilcher' (No offense, Jim :-).  These days, pretty much all screen
> savers do is provide something for the computer to do and for the user
> to look at when the computer isn't being used for anything else.

    Heh heh... and to think there are things like the "Origin" (animation
from various Origin games) and "Star Trek" commercial screen savers going
for too many $$$ in computer stores everywhere!  I've seen more than a few
people sit idly by their computers sipping coffee just to wait for the
screen to blank.  Gotta pity those Windows users.  ;-)

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From: grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas)
Subject: Re: Interplay
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:18:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.205838.14504@utkux1.utk.edu> sadasiva@utkvx3.utk.edu (Sadasivam, Krishna Madur) writes:
>Are there any other IIgs programs to be released by Interplay, besides OOTW
>(which I'm still playing!)?? I think that OOTW has got to be the BEST game I've
>played on my IIgs, and that a sequel of some sort should be in the offing!!

     I'm not too sure what is in the works, but they have some great stuff.

     Out of This World certainly leaves room for a sequel.  Interplay
also has several other great titles which are available from Big Red
Computer Club (info below).

Dragon Wars is a role-playing type hack & slash adventure similar to Bard's
Tale.  In features automapping, and a huge world to explore.  This one
will take many days (weeks, months?) to finish.

Battle Chess is a 3-D chess program that makes chess an even more sinister
strategy game.  Each piece has its own method of killing (and being killed)
other pieces, which is animated on screen.  I hope they make BC II.

Neuromancer is a fascinating gem (that I didn't expect too much of when I
got it).  You control a futuristic computer hacker who can implant skills
directly into his brain, and jockey through a 3-D array of Cyberspace
information (once you find the right passwords and link codes) and try
to find out what has been happening to your hacker buddies.  Any modem-
head (like me!), late-night computer hacker, or game 'cracker' will
probably love this one.  Far surpassed my expectations.

     Any of these are available from Big Red:
Big Red Computer Club              Out Of This World (GS)     $50 
423 Norfolk Ave                    Dragon Wars       (GS/IIe) $25
Norfolk,  NE  68701-5234           Battle Chess      (GS)     $25
Phone:(402) 379-4680               Neuromancer       (GS)     $15
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Subject: Re: Trouble printing with ProTERM 3
Reply-To: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario
Disclaimer: These words belong to me, not my company.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:11:22 GMT

In article <C09M9B.30F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kls0@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Plague) writes:
>OK, I have a GS, Panasonic 1124, and a Parallel Pro w/256k Buffer Pro, and
>when I try to print a file from ProTERM 3.0, PT crashes.  Not into the monitor,
>but I get like an 80 col. screen, but only every other vertical line has text,
>and it's garbled text.  Anybody know what the deal is?

Nope, but I get the exact same problem with a ROM 01 GS, Star NX-15,
and APL card.  I sure would like to know the answer, too.

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From: unknown@Apple.COM (Matt Ackeret)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Shanghai II -- who wrote it?
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:29:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA


	I just read the A2Central and Resource Central (mail order 'catalog'
that comes with it) today and saw that there's a Shanghai II for the GS.
I'd heard of this for the Mac and other computers and was surprised to see
it was written for the GS..  I guess there are a few projects out there 
that aren't known about by all of the net.

	Anyway, does anyone know who this was written by? I got Shanghai a 
few years ago (from an Egghead Discount Center), and don't play it much so most 
likely won't get Shanghai II..  I'm just very curious about it.

	Is the game (or any of the other versions of it at least) distributed
by Activision, the author/distributor of the first one?  Activision seems to
be clinging to life.. They filed Chapter 11 a while ago but haven't completely
dissolved, as far as I know.  (Has the Lost Treasures of Infocom helped
keep 'em alive?  at least the Mac/IBM versions, since BRCC does the GS version)
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