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From: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Subject: Re: ROTISSERIE:  Mussina + Ryan Thompson for Jeff Bagwell + Mike Devereaux
Reply-To: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:00:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.161048.8712@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward
[Ted] Fischer) writes:
> In article <8393@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu writes:
> >
> >At the risk of being jumped on again, I like this deal better than the other
> >one.  IMO, Jeff Bagwell, despite playing in the Astrodome, is a better
hitter
> >NOW than Shane Mack will EVER be, even though he plays in the Baggiedome. 
For
> >the person who said that Shane Mack was among of the best 12 offensive
players
> >(in baseball?  in the AL?  at his position??? ;), his stats remind me of
> >Claudell Washington.
> 
> I meant in the AL, and was mostly speaking for rotisserie purposes.  

I would even go so far as to remove the caveat "for rotisserie purposes" and
say
"majors" if we increase the group to "top 25".  As Valentine suggests, Mack 
provides a plus in nearly every offensive category; that's a rarity.  Guys like
McGwire and Fielder, and their inverses, Gwynn and Boggs, make huge, obvious, 
shining contributions to one or two aspects of the offense.  If used properly, 
they are enormously valuable.  But a guy hitting .300-.320, 15-20 HR, 25 SB, 
THREE YEARS STRAIGHT is not someone to be sniffed at.  

Besides, he's on MY fantasy team...

> 
> So what did Claudell Washington look like in his prime?  Was he as
> consistent as Mack has been over the last three years?
> 
Did he ever have a career .315 BA?  As I recall, Claudell had a generally large
platoon differential, and the Yankees knew this.  Like Mel Hall (may his soul 
rest in Nippon), he tended to see few lefties.  

> >Mike Deveraux is an underated offensive player, IMO.  He'll be about as
steady
> >a 3rd or 4th outfielder for you as Mack would have been.
> 
> Huh.  If you say so.  Devereaux won't help (and may hurt) your BA, he
> probably will never get more than 75 RBIs again (not batting second),
> and his power was a fluke.  Meanwhile, he has been stealing less than
> Mack.  Mack had a better season last year, and is *far* more likely to
> be good next year.
> 
> Devereaux in 1990 (times 1.5 because he was only part time): .240/18/74/19.
> Devereaux in 1991: .260/19/59/16.
> 
> And you think he's as good as Mack?  He has *marginally* more power,
> not significantly better RBI potential, his average sucks, and he
> steals only 2/3 the number of bases.
> 

After a season like he had last year, his trade value is WAY inflated.  Take a 
look at his career numbers, scaled to a full season.  Add a little more weight 
to last season's results, if you want.  I still don't see Shane Mack having 
that _bad_ a season over the next few years.

> I'm not convinced that Devereaux is much of an improvement on Ryan
> Thompson, and I don't like Ryan Thompson!
> 
> -Valentine

What he said...

-Tom
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From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Subject: Re: ROTISSERIE:  Boston's Bullpen
Organization: Pitzer College
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:01:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.231633.1976@netcom.com> arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow) writes:
>In article <rf+35-c@rpi.edu> sullis@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan) 
writes:>>
>>Boston's bullpen...
>>  Now that the BoSux no longer have Jeff "All Time Saves
>>Leader" Readon, how does the bullpen shape up?
>>  I know that they attempted to sign Henke.
>>will they go after Jeff Russell??
>>
>>  Or, will Greg Harris, Danny Darwin (?), Ken Ryan,
>>Jose Melendez, and others(?) pickup the saves????
>>-- 
>
>But anyway, expect them to sign Jeff "Bone Chips" Russell. If they don't
>Ken Ryan will try to close. He's a darn good prospect, but didn't look
>good late last year. I don't think he'll be successful at it this year.
>Grab him cheap if you grab him at all or are rebuilding.
>
Sean, they have to sign Russell, or the team goes nowhere.  Darwin's arm won'
t take the load, and after signing all these veterans I cannot imagine they 
will close with Ryan.  I think he's a good prospect, if you have a reserve 
list to store him on.

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From: mfray1@vindicatuswest.com (Murray F. Ray)
Subject: Denver Rotis League
Organization: US WEST Information Technologies
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:44:05 GMT

We have both an American and National rotis league, and are looking to
replace some teams that are leaving.  We play fairly standard rules, and
have moderate entry fees.  If you're interested, reply or give me a 
call (303) 595-2811.  We are much more liberal than most leagues about
having new teams come in, and giving them a chance in the first year (ie,
you take over a team, instead of starting all over, and we only reserve 8
players not 15).

Murray
From: jg4e+@andrew.cmu.edu (J. Anthony Graves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:02:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8fIgxZO00WBO81P3xm
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Alright, now that I have your attention....Will anyone out there be
putting Major league statistics on this bboard consistently for the
upcoming season. If a group of us taht use this bboard would agree to
type in a team each week, we could probably have it covered.  Let me and
everyone else know!

-Tony Graves
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From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall)
Subject: Re: Fantasy Baseball Mags
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: Hi, I'm Matt, and I'm...a Boston Red Sox fan
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:46:58 GMT

In article <1i7pnhINN3qn@agate.berkeley.edu>, srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu
(Steven Rubio) wrote:
> 
> Heck, Les, ya gotta subscribe to Benson's newsletter.  Then you get
> year-round nuggets and you don't feel so obligated to grab the first thing
> that hits the newsstands in January.
> 
> Steven who didn't enter the essay contest this year so someone else can
> finally win :-)


Do you have subscription info for the Benson newsletter? Could you post?

thanks

- matt

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From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Subject: Re: Key vs. Tapani
Organization: Pitzer College
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:29:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.152118.23344@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> dadler@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (David Adler) writes:
I've just been offered Kevin Tapani ($19) for Jimmy Key ($17)
>in a standard AL roto league. I know, they're both overpriced....
>
...Indeed.

>Any thoughts on how Jimmy Key will do in Yankee Stadium?
>He has done well there against the Yankees, but now he's
>no longer pitching AGAINST them...(-:
>
It's the usually lefty-in-Yankee thing.  Jimmy dished up 24 dingers last 
year.  By the usually park effects he would give up 7 less in Yankee.  But 
that is the highest total he has given up in the last 5 years.  The rest of 
the effect would be minimal.  Still, that would probably take a half a run 
off his ERA and about about .55 off his WHIP.  As it was, I'd call them even 
in standard Roto.  So I guess I'd turn this deal down.


>   Tapani is three years younger, which is a point in his
>advantage.
>
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From: dadler@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (David Adler)
Subject: Would you trade Puckett for McGwire?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 19:34:37 GMT

Okay, since people are starting to talk about trades.....

Here's the scenario - I'm in a standard 10-team AL roto league.
I finished first in average and RBI, middle of the pack in homers
and stolen bases.

   I'm going to propose a trade of Kirby Puckett ($27) for
Mark McGwire ($16). The guy with McGwire needs average
desperately, so he'll probably be interested in at least thinking
about it.

   Thoughts or comments? McGwire has had a lot of good power years,
and I think Kirby may have peaked this past year. Of course, they are
both secure with fat new contracts, so neither of them will be
trying to prove anything this year...

Dave


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From: sullis@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan)
Subject: ROTISSERIE:  Boston's Bullpen
Summary: who is Boston's closer?
Organization: Rotisserie Polytechnic Institute (Troy, NY, USA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:25:13 GMT


Boston's bullpen...
  Now that the BoSux no longer have Jeff "All Time Saves
Leader" Readon, how does the bullpen shape up?
  I know that they attempted to sign Henke.
will they go after Jeff Russell??

  Or, will Greg Harris, Danny Darwin (?), Ken Ryan,
Jose Melendez, and others(?) pickup the saves????
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From: sheehan@aludra.usc.edu (Joseph Sheehan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Anybody heard when Strat cards due?
Date: 10 Jan 1993 13:26:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


In article <Dec.31.07.15.34.1992.10000@remus.rutgers.edu> zelek@remus.rutgers.edu (Grey Wolf) writes:


>  We always got ours around March sometime, last I remember.  That was a
>few years ago, so I may be unclear or things might have changed since then.
>Of course, I would like to know, too, since I'm in a league that will continue
>into next year, and I want those cards! :)

Opening Day will be between Jan. 25 and 29. There was a delay this year 
because the game company was waiting until after the expansion draft to 
begin the card-making process: the expansion teams will be a part of the
new set, although I don't know exactly how (hmmm, a card based on Nigel
Wilson's MLE)?

I'll post later this week when I have a definite date.
>
>QuartzLeague Commish,
>Chris [zelek@aramis.rutgers.edu]
					Best,
						Joe Sheehan
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From: aviano@sdd.hp.com (Mike Aviano)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Cardinal outfield
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:12:01 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdlg02.sdd.hp.com

Is Bernard Gilkey a likely starter in the Cardinal outfield?

How do Brian Jordan and Ozzie Canseco fit into the situation?



Thanks for your opinions.


Mike
From: dan@nervous.UUCP (Dan Rathbun)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Franco & Radinsky?
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:21:17 GMT
Organization: Dept of Redundancy Dept

Has anyone heard any news regarding Julio Franco's health?  I am trying to
decide if he is worthwhile freezing, from last years team.  I've heard
that they are thinking of making him a certified DH only this year.  I
just want to know if he's in good health and if he has his wheels back!
A large part of his appeal as a fantasy player, is his high average,
reasonable power, and then when he steals bases he becomes a definate
franchise player. (at least he does in MY franchise)
           " How about it Texas? Any news?"
     I'm also wondering if the White Sox have decided who's going to be
their closer this year!  I was considering freezing Radinsky, but I think
Thigpen is still lurking around Comisky too!  And they took a real long
look at Roberto Hernandez in that role last year too.

                             Anyone have any insight?

                                       Dan
From: hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Mussina et. al
Date: 9 Jan 1993 10:21:52 GMT
Organization: Renegade Legion, SUCKS Co-Champions
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Mussina, Deveraux, other orioles, Mack

At risk of repeating what's been said...

I personally would lean towards making Mussina for DBell/Mack, and here's
why.  From my experience, starting pitching is very hard to predict unless
you're talking guys like Glavine or Clemens. I personally like Mussina as
a pitcher- I think he has the capability to be of Clemens/Glavine caliber.
But I'm not 100% convinced yet.  Also, quality starting pitching is easier
to find than steady 4-category players, which is what Shane Mack is.  A guy
who can help you in 4 categories is more valuable then a pitcher who is
2 category (in my league, we only have W, SV, ERA).

My personal Mussina trades were:

May '92:  I gave up Hoiles, Hershiser for Mussina, Macfarlane, Plantier, and
Buhner.  The guy I traded with had no catching to speak of and wanted to dump
Plantier from his major league roster (we have major and minor league teams)
so I figured why not.

August '92:  I gave up Mussina, Brantley, Zeile for F.Jose, rights to
Guillen, Saberhagen, Henneman, Ward.  It was a bonehead move shortterm 
because I was neck and neck with the other guy in wins and this sealed
it for him, and because I failed in my shortterm goal of moving up in saves.
But longterm, Jose, Ward, and hopefully Guillen will give my team a big
boost.  Saberhagen and Henneman wont hurt either.

As for Deveraux, I think he had a career year.  Next season, I see him
about .265/16/70/12  IMHO, many Baltimore people basically had career years, except
for Mussina, who I could see being consistent for a long time; Olson, who was his consistent
self, and Glenn Davis (ulp!), who was a colossal bust which probably cost
me the outright league title (I watched helplessly as he sat on the bench
and wasted away- I tied for first in the league- only because I tied for
first in RBIs- but I digress.)
If you have Baltimore players, notably such as Brady Anderson, Chris Hoiles,
Deveraux, Leo Gomez, shop 'em around- they are way overvalued right now.
-- 
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From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Key vs. Tapani
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:23:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.152118.23344@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> dadler@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (David Adler) writes:
>I've just been offered Kevin Tapani ($19) for Jimmy Key ($17)
>in a standard AL roto league. I know, they're both overpriced....
>
>Any thoughts on how Jimmy Key will do in Yankee Stadium?
>He has done well there against the Yankees, but now he's
>no longer pitching AGAINST them...(-:
>
>   Tapani is three years younger, which is a point in his
>advantage.
>

You're right. They're both overpriced. I think Jimmy Key will do just
fine as a Yankee, but personally I'd rather have Tapani. I'd make the deal.
Besides then you could package Tapani with someone else and get a good 
cheaper player. He's probably more of a draw than Key.

--Les
From: v102q46b@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (David A Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: APBA game for sale
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have the most recent APBA computer game with the 1991 team disk included
with all instructions never been used. Also have the cards from the 
1989-1991 seasons. I am looking to sell any or all of this now. email
me at v102q46b@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu.

Thanks

Dave.
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From: sullis@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan)
Subject: ROTISSERIE:  Mussina + Ryan Thompson for Jeff Bagwell + Mike Devereaux
Organization: Rotisserie Polytechnic Institute (Troy, NY, USA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:21:45 GMT


Well, I DID NOT trade Mussina for Shane Mack + Derek Bell.

Instead, I made this trade with a different team:

	I received- Jeff Bagwell(Astros) & Mike Devereaux(Orioles)
	I gave up- Mike Mussina & Ryan Thompson(Mets)


I play in a Rotisserie-like league.
We use both NL and AL players; we have 16 teams.

My pitching staff is still pretty decent because
I have Bill Wegman(Brewers), Curt Schilling(Phillies), and
Sid Fernandez(Mets).

Comments?
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From: jeff.blanchet@sdrc.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Need Place to buy APBA
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:32:53 GMT
Reply-To: jeff.blanchet@sdrc.com
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy


I am looking to buy APBA along with the Micro Manager and Wizard add-ons.

I have prices directly from APBA but they are high ($40 - game, $50 - Micro Manager, $40 - Wizard). I called Chips and Bits since they have pretty good prices ($28, $32, $29) but they don't have them in stock and don't plan on restocking them.

Is there anywhere I can get these other then APBA?

On another note, has anyone written a replacement for the StatsManager? I would rather not spend an additional $30-$40 for something that I could probably write myself. I may not be able to write something as fancy but enough to get the data I want. I can easily capture the output of a game using PRN2FILE. Has anyone done this already? Would you be interested in a stat program? What features would you like to see?

Thanks in advance for any input !

Jeff Blanchet				jeff.blanchet@sdrc.com
SDRC
Cincinnati Ohio
From: scs2080@cs.rit.edu (Sean C Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: ROTISSERIE:  Shane Mack+Derek Bell for Mike Mussina
Date: 6 Jan 1993 14:15:50 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Organization: Rotisserie Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY

I play in a Rotisserie-like league.

My league uses these categories:
  Offense - Batting Avg, Slugging, Runs+RBI, Walks, Stolen Bases
  Pitching - ERA, Wins, Saves, K/BB ratio, H/9 ip

I've been offered this trade:
	I would receive - Shane Mack and Derek Bell
	I would give up - Mike Mussina

Ignoring Salaries and contract status, should I make
this deal?

I'm looking for feedback.  I already know that Derek
Bell should start for Toronto in 1993.

Thanks.
-Sean
 scs2080@cs.rit.edu
 sullis@rpi.edu
From: rs0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Schall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: baseball weekly tourney
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:07:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4fG8fla00iV4I32nt9
Organization: University Libraries - Library Automatio, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Babe Ruth won against Ted Williams, 88 to 74.

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From: lost@athena.mit.edu (Robbie Smith)
Subject: Re: Would you trade Puckett for McGwire?
Organization: An administrative and functional structure.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:28:26 GMT

Excuse me if I am asking a question with a well known answer, but I am
trying to run my Roto team from Europe.

Do we know for a fact that Mark McGwire is an AL player for the 1993
season?  What is the result of his free agency?

(Sincerely hoping to keep McGwire on my roster at $26.)

Rob Smith
smithrp@rmcs.cranfield.ac.uk (address in header is out-of-date)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Would you trade Puckett for McGwire?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:17:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.193437.6636@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> dadler@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (David Adler) writes:
>Okay, since people are starting to talk about trades.....
>
>Here's the scenario - I'm in a standard 10-team AL roto league.
>I finished first in average and RBI, middle of the pack in homers
>and stolen bases.
>
>   I'm going to propose a trade of Kirby Puckett ($27) for
>Mark McGwire ($16). The guy with McGwire needs average
>desperately, so he'll probably be interested in at least thinking
>about it.
>

In a second. But if I was the other guy I would laugh you off.

--Les



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From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall)
Subject: Re: ROTISSERIE:  Shane Mack+Derek Bell for Mike Mussina
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing CenterCenter
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:44:24 GMT

In article <9301062015.AA18744@rit.cs.rit.edu>, scs2080@cs.rit.edu (Sean C
Sullivan) wrote:
> 
> Organization: Rotisserie Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY
> 
> I play in a Rotisserie-like league.
> 
> My league uses these categories:
>   Offense - Batting Avg, Slugging, Runs+RBI, Walks, Stolen Bases
>   Pitching - ERA, Wins, Saves, K/BB ratio, H/9 ip
> 
> I've been offered this trade:
> 	I would receive - Shane Mack and Derek Bell
> 	I would give up - Mike Mussina
> 
> Ignoring Salaries and contract status, should I make
> this deal?
> 
> I'm looking for feedback.  I already know that Derek
> Bell should start for Toronto in 1993.
> 

Ack! Sean! Jump on it! Two high-quality outfielders for one somewhat
suspicious second year pitcher?!? Trade, trade, trade!

- matt
From: mps@hri.com (Mark Stockley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: RE:  ROTISSERIE:  Mussina + Ryan Thompson for Jeff Bagwell + Mike Devereaux
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:22:53 GMT
Reply-To: mps@hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

I'm pretty new at ROTISSERIE-style games, but here goes anyway:

Mussina had a stellar year last year and, as a previous poster pointed out,
was unbeatable towards the end of the year. His minor league stats are quite
amazing. IMO Mussina has a very good shot at the Cy Young this coming year
and in the future. I recently traded FOR him (at 18) giving up Roberto
Alomar at 39. (Note I was extremely strong in hitting but very weak in
pitching). He is also very young, which only helps if you can keep players
for an extended period.

RE the actual trade: Mike Devereaux will probably decline somewhat next
year (I traded him away for Ben McDonald towards the end of last season).
Jeff Bagwell is a good aquisition, however (thanks, Lou!). Is Ryan Thompson
the player aquired by the Mets in the Cone trade. If so, he is projected
to play center field and has good minor league numbers. I wouldn't want
to give him up.

In conclusion, I don't like the trade you made, basically because I'm a big
Mussina fan. I'm sure you'll find people to disagree with me.

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