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From: jem3@pyuxf.uucp (25312-mc killop)
Subject: 1993 USAF THUNDERBIRDS SKED
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:35:56 GMT

012.  1993 Thunderbird schedule
     WASHINGTON (AFNS) -- The U.S. Air Force Thunderbirds 1993 demonstration
season starts in mid-March and includes shows at 51 sites in 28 states and
Canada, Pentagon officials said Jan. 4.
     Missourie than 150 requests were received for Thunderbird performances in the
1993 season, which ends in mid-November.  The number of requests supported is
limited by the length of the season, travel and training requirements,
operational and deployment considerations, and seasonal weather conditions.
     With safety the primary consideration, officials said demonstration sites
are selected to support Defense Department objectives and the interests of the
armed services.
     1993 show sites are:
     March 20-21, Punta Gorda, Florida 
     March 27, Luke AFB, Arizona 
     March 28, Vandenberg AFB, California
     April 3, Davis-Monthan AFB, Arizona 
     April 4, Dyess AFB, Texas 
     April 17-18, MacDill AFB, Florida 
     April 21, Lakeland, Florida 
     April 24, Eglin AFB, Florida
     April 25, Columbus AFB, Mississippi
     May 1-2, Marine Corps Air Station El Toro, California 
     May 8-9, Little Rock AFB, Arkansas 
     May 14-15, Andrews AFB, Maryland 
     May 16, Rochester, New York 
     May 22, Randolph AFB, Texas 
     May 23, Vance AFB, Oklahoma 
     May 29, Coney Island, New York
     May 30, North Kingston, Rhode Island
     June 2, U.S. Air Force Academy, Colorado 
     June 5, St. Joseph ANGB, Missouri  
     June 6, Altus AFB, Oklahoma 
     June 9, Myrtle Beach, South Carolina 
     June 12, McConnell AFB, Kansas
     June 13, Scott AFB, Illinois 
     June 19-20, Montreal, Quebec, Canada 
     June 26-27, Hanscom AFB, Massachusetts
     July 3-4, Battle Creek, Michigan 
     July 10-11, Davenport, Iowa 
     July 17-18, Fort Wayne, Indiana 
     July 24, West Chicago, Illinois 
     July 25, Minot AFB, North Dakota 
     July 28, F.E. Warren, Wyoming 
     July 31, Truax Field, Wisconsin
     Aug. 1, Ellsworth AFB, South Dakota 
     Aug. 6-7, Abbotsford, British Columbia, Canada
     Aug. 8, Fairchild AFB, Washington
     Aug. 21-22, Chicago, Illinois
     Aug. 28, Kalispell, Michigan
     Aug.  29, McChord AFB, Washington
     Sept. 4, Moody AFB, Georgia 
     Sept. 5-6, Jackson ANGB, Mississippi 
     Sept. 11-12, Toledo, Ohio
     Sept. 18-19, Smyrna, Tennessee
     Sept. 25-26, Denver, Colorado  
     Oct. 2-3, Travis AFB, California 
     Oct. 9-10, Fort Worth, Texas 
     Oct. 16-17, Houston, Texas 
     Oct. 23, Edwards AFB, California 
     Oct. 24, Castle AFB, California
     Oct. 30-31, March AFB, California
     Nov. 6-7, Miami, Florida
     Nov. 13-14, Daytona Beach, Florida
From: engfish@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (LYDIA FISH)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Jobs
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Forwarded from VWAR-L@UBVM

**********************************************************************

With the help of VWarrior David Valley, I have created a new list FEDJOBS
for distribution of Federal job opening announcements of particular interest
to veterans.  Job listings are uploaded to LISTSERV@DARTCMS1 by David
weekly.  You may get a copy of the list of available files by sending
mail to LISTSERV@DARTCMS1 with the command INDEX FEDJOBS.  You don't need
to be a subscriber to FEDJOBS to request an openings list.   However,
you may subscribe to FEDJOBS by sending mail to LISTSERV@DARTCMS1 containing
the command SUB FEDJOBS "your name".  The mailing list is moderated, so the
noise level should be low.  It will contain postings of individual openings
not included in the BB uploads and other relevant mailings.  The postings
will be archived, and you need not subscribe to obtain a copy of the archive
files.   To post to the list, mail your item to FEDJOBS@DARTCMS1.

For those on the internet, the files are also available by anonymous FTP
from DARTCMS1.DARTMOUTH.EDU in directory FEDJOBS.

Putting job posting info on a dedicated list should move those announcements
off of the general VWAR-L list and give better service both to employed
VWAR-L subscribers and veterans needing a job.  Feel free to tell others
about FEDJOBS.

   David Avery #26
   david@dartcms1.dartmouth.edu
From: jewell@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Larry Jewell)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: E-mail route to Usenet
Date: 8 Jan 1993 06:16:25 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I've had some requests to provide a route to Usenet via e-mail.  This message
is being posted to Usenet via the route listed below and to the lists.  If
the test is successful I'll post a follow-up.

 -News Mail Servers	mail [newsgroup]@cs.utexas.edu
   offers: Post to Usenet news via email. (eg. [newsgroup] = alt-bbs)

(Note that the periods in a newsgroup name are changed to hyphens for
this route.)

I haven't tested the routes listed below, so if anyone feels like 
experimenting, let us know how you did with them.

 -NNTP News Servers	telnet sol.ctr.columbia.edu 119 or 128.59.64.40 119
     			telnet rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de 119 or 129.69.1.12
		        telnet news.fu-berlin.de 119 or 130.133.4.250 119
   offers: Telnetable access to post to the Usenet news.

Larry J

#L.W. Jewell Moderator at the Veterans Information Site (veteran@cc.purdue.edu)#
#& WWII-L Listowner: "Sunday's horoscope is note worthy because of its strange,#
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From: edwardsb@endor.byu.edu (Blake Edwards)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Firearms Group?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:04:23 GMT
Organization: Brigham Young University
Reply-To: edwardsb@ucs.byu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: endor.byu.edu

I thought this might be a good place to post this question.

Does any one know af a news group that discusses Firearms?

Please reply to edwardsb@ucs.byu.edu

Thanks Blake Edwards
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Subject: Re: Poifictly good aircraft?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:43:00 GMT

In article <1ib4ibINNk7m@sumax.seattleu.edu>, 
mccombs@sumax.seattleu.edu (Mike McCombs) writes...

>>Humphhhh! i can tell that you've never looked carefully
>>at a jump plane.  Perfectly good indeed. <Fehhh, a pox upon this worthless
>>unairworthy piece of trash>
> 
>Aaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
>The average "trooper plane" is probably best described as 1,258,392
>bolts flying in loose formation.... Darn nice things to be out of as
>early as possible, airstrip optional!
> 
>>Stephen C. Woods; UCLA SEASNET; 2567 BH;LA CA 90024; (310)-825-8614
>>UUCP: ...{ibmsupt,ncar!cepu}!ollie}!scw  Internet:scw@SEAS.UCLA.EDU
>>"Non, je ne regrette rien"--1er RE de Para 1963

I've only jumped tandem, and only 5 times, and every time I had 
company. (Ok, ok, so I was cargo.)

The jumps (except for the darn chute openings) were great.
But going up in that dang shoestring & glue plane sucked every time.

Youse guys were lucky you had something more "substantial" to laze
away the time in.


-- Stephen    = Parachuting is "nice," good hobby for Moma =
From: mccombs@sumax.seattleu.edu (Mike McCombs)
Newsgroups: soc.veterans
Subject: Re: Poifictly good aircraft?
Date: 4 Jan 1993 20:58:51 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu
Summary: uuuhhh..., NO!

>Humphhhh! i can tell that you've never looked carefully
>at a jump plane.  Perfectly good indeed. <Fehhh, a pox upon this worthless
>unairworthy piece of trash>

Aaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The average "trooper plane" is probably best described as 1,258,392
bolts flying in loose formation.... Darn nice things to be out of as
early as possible, airstrip optional!

>Stephen C. Woods; UCLA SEASNET; 2567 BH;LA CA 90024; (310)-825-8614
>UUCP: ...{ibmsupt,ncar!cepu}!ollie}!scw  Internet:scw@SEAS.UCLA.EDU
>"Non, je ne regrette rien"--1er RE de Para 1963

mccombs@sumax.seattleu.edu
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:22:48
Distribution: world
From: ashkon_k@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Organization: <none>
Subject: Daily reading for Thursday, January 7th, 1993

         "Beware, O believers in the Unity of God, lest ye
     be tempted to make any distinction between any of the
     Manifestations of His Cause, or to discriminate against
     the signs that have accompanied and proclaimed their
     Revelation.  This indeed is the true meaning of Divine
     Unity, if ye be of them that apprehend and believe this
     truth.  Be ye assured, moreover, that the works and
     acts of each and every one of these Manifestations of
     God, nay whatever pertaineth unto them, and whatsoever
     they may manifest in the future, are all ordained by
     God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. 
     Whoso maketh the slightest possible difference between
     their persons, their words, their messages, their acts
     and manners, hath indeed disbelieved in God, hath
     repudiated His signs, and betrayed the Cause of His
     Messengers."
                     -Baha'u'llah, Gleanings, P.59-60
From: jrtrint@srv.pacbell.com (John Trinterud)
Subject: Re: World Congress
Organization: Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:21:42 GMT



My wife Colene, our daughter Katrina, and her friend John all went
to the World Congress. All three came back moved forever by their
spiritual and personal experiences.

> David Head (dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com) mentioned:
> 
> 4.  Being almost blown out of my seat by the tremendous power of the 400
>     voice Baha'i choir.

A personal note here - Hugh Rowley, the much loved "People of Baha"
choir director (Northern California - Colene and many of our friends
are involved) and his wife Verna both sang in the World Congress
choir.

They tragically lost their 22 year old son to an untimely death just
two weeks before the Congress started.

Their participation in the choir was part of their healing process.
We saw Hugh joyously singing on the Bahai Newsreel video of the
Congress - very moving. They're wonderful friends, and very special
people.


John Trinterud


-- 
jrtrint@srv.PacBell.COM
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:17:35
Distribution: world
From: Frank Vahid <vahid@thoth.ICS.UCI.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Organization: <none>
Subject: Re: schism in the Faith

>As part of my "independent investigation of the truth", I have a hard
>time reconciling that the Faith has no schisms when I think about the folks
>in Las Vegas.  They are living by their own interpretation of the words of
>Baha'u'llah and Abdul Baha (if I remember correctly, they question Shoghi
>Effendi's role), so that strikes me as a schism based on different
>interpretations, similar to schisms that have occurred in other religions.

Perhaps the following will better define what is meant by "schism".  It is
an excerpt from a letter by the Universal House of Justice dated Nov. 26,
1992, addressed to the Baha'is of the world.

    "This Covenant is the guarantee against schism; that is why those
    who occasionally attempt to create a cleavage in the community utterly
    fail in the long run."

Frank
vahid@thoth.ICS.UCI.EDU
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:16:00
Distribution: world
From: thodges@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Tom Hodges)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Organization: <none>
Subject: Re: Some questions about the Bahai Faith.

>>1. What were the exact claims of the holy Baha'ullah?

1. He claimed to be the most recent Manifestation of God, successor to
   Mohammud, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and other Manifestations.  He also
   claimed that the next manifestation would not appear for at least
   1000 years.
 
>>2. What was his mission? Did he accomplish it? 

2. His mission is to bring about a fundamental change in religious,
   economic, social, and political life of all humanity -- to
   establish the unity of humanity in all aspects of life, to usher in
   the coming of age of humanity.  This mission will take 1000 years,
   so we can only consider whether it is well started, rather than
   whether it is accomplished.  The Baha'i's feel that this mission is
   off to a very strong beginning, others may have other opinions.  A
   critical aspect of accomplishing this mission was establishing a
   tool for bringing about the spiritual renewal of humanity.  The
   Baha'i Faith, with its administrative institutions is this tool.
   As demonstrated by many things, including this computer forum, and
   the recent 2nd World Congress, the Baha'i Faith is well established
   after less than 150 years.
 
>>3. Was his appearance predicted by other religions?

3. The Baha'i's feel that his appearance was predicted by the
   prophecies of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and the
   religions of the Indians of North and South America.  However, the
   passages in religious scriptures that are considered prophetic of
   the return of The Messenger tend to be difficult to understand and
   evaluate, so many radically different meanings have been suggested
   for them.  In the opinion of the Baha'i's, the Baha'i
   interpretations (analyses) of these passages are more
   straight-forward than the the interpretations offered by other
   religions in the last hundred years.  It is interesting to note
   that many of the Christian and Muslim interpretations put forward
   in the early 1800's called for the Return to occur in the 1840's.
 
>>4. Do Bahai's consider themselves as Muslims? and do they
>>   call their religion Islam?

4. The Baha'i's consider themselves to be followers of a new religion,
   the Baha'i Faith.  It seems to have been necessary for the
   followers of each new Manifestation to establish a new religion,
   perhaps to help the people of the world to recognize that something
   new had appeared.  However the Baha'i's accept and honor the
   previous Manifestations, so in that sense, they are followers of
   all the world's major religions, including Islam.
 
   Feel free to communicate with me by Email for further discussion.
 
   Tom Hodges, thodges@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:20:10
Distribution: world
From: ARINDAM GHOSH <MECE1E3@Jetson.UH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Organization: <none>
Subject: Newton's Theological Pursuits

I was reading Newton's biography titled Never at Rest and came across
the following information.

Start paraphrasing:

Very little is known of Newton's theological pursuits for which he
remained silent in its scientific pursuits for a long time. Only
recently his theological treatises are becoming known. Among these is
a detailed commentary on St. JOhn's revelation. Newton compares the
revelation to a watch made of different parts which needs to be
assembled together. He went to work with a love for detail and
preciseness which marked his scientific career and established rules
for interpretation. He consulted many ancient Biblical as well as
pagan ways of interpretation of dreams. Some of the sailent features
of the work are:

1. His identification of the victory of Athensius over Arias in the
council of Nice as the point where the corruptionn of the Christian
doctrine started.  He describes the trinity at the same level as
polyatheism and identifies the Roman catholic church with the beast.
Later he would have to refuse ordination by the church as declaring
belief in trinity will mark him among those with "the beast's number
on their head". He explained trinity with his favourite model of
forces in the following way: Consider three blocks placed one over the
other. The first block exerts a force on the second block and the
second block transmits the same force to the third block and the third
block to the ground. Thus the power of God flows through the Holy
Ghost and the Son but they are forever distinct from God, the father
and should not be put at par.

2.Identification of the trumpet blasts with different events in the
Christian era. He had no problem in deducing that the KIngdom of God
will arrive after 1260 years. He also states that the arrival of the
Kingdom does not signify the end of the world but spreading of the
Gospel all over the earth which has to be intimately associated with
the second-coming. His problem was where to put the time origin for
1260 years. Reportedly He arrives at 1844 and 1867 (!) using two
different appoaches [Amazing, since he does not consider Muhammad at
all, I think]

I have no idea if his treatise is available in English; but it is
certainly a subject worthy of a very detailed investigation by the
Bahais.

Love
Arindam
From: Terry Maton <maton@herald.usask.ca>
Subject: From the Baha'i Writings
Organization: -
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:23:15 GMT

The most acceptable prayer is the one offered with the
utmost spirituality and radiance; its prolongation hath
not been and is not beloved by God.  The more detached and
purer the prayer, the more acceptable it is in the 
presence of God.

The Bab - Selections from the Writings of the Bab, p.78

---
Terry Maton
University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

INTERNET:   maton@sask.usask.ca   or   maton@herald.usask.ca
FREENET:    ap322@cleveland.freenet.edu

  "The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens" -- Baha'u'llah
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:20:11
Distribution: world
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Subject: Re: World Congress

Some of my impressions of the Baha'i World Congress:

1.  Walking into the large auditorium area of the Javits Center on the
    first day and looking upon a sea of Baha'is!  As a 2 year old Baha'i,
    I have never seen so many Baha'is in one place (some 15,000 per
    session), and I was totally overwhelmed and could only stand and stare!

2.  Seeing the members of the Universal House of Justice for the first time.
    I saw these men walking in on the satellite link and I had to ask my
    friend if they were who I thought they were!

3.  Seeing the 3 surviving Hands of the Cause live!  They all spoke, but
    Ruhiyyih Khanum was absolutely wonderful!  She just enraptures you!

4.  Being almost blown out of my seat by the tremendous power of the 400
    voice Baha'i choir.

5.  Hearing "Allah 'u' Abha" everywhere you went in New York City!
    ["Allah-u-Abha" is a Baha'i greeting which means "God is Most
     Glorious".--mmt]

6.  Seeing so many people from every part of the world all gathered in one
    place at the same time for the same reason!  I could travel for years
    and not meet such a diverse group of people as I did in those 4 days.

7.  Visiting the Abdu'l-Baha pavillion and looking into a small display case
    which contained a nondescript leather handbag and several writing
    implements.  Then having the realization that I was gazing at actual
    items which had belonged to Abdu'l-Baha and which he had actually held
    in his hands!

8.  Having my hotel key fall out of my pocket somewhere in the huge Javits
    Center and knowing that it would be at the lost and found the next day.
    Sure enough, it was!

For me, the World Congress was like trying to drink out of a firehose!  I 
would have a significant experience and barely have time to reflect on it 
and internalize it before something else would happen.  It was a truly 
wonderful and amazing 4 days, and the 24 hour ride each way from St.
Petersburg, FL with a busload of other Baha'is just added to the overall
experience!

David Head
dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:08:54
Distribution: world
From: gibbon@acs.bu.edu (Peter Kahn)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Subject: A list of questions

[Due to a couple of mishaps and negligence on my part Peter's article
was greatly delayed; my apologies to him.  I have corrected a few
typos in his posting.--mmt]

I have recently been listening to a very impressive lecture by Peter
Khan on the achievements of the America Baha'is and I have a list of
questions.  I would appreciate any help in answering these.

1. What exactly is the Baha'i view on people and technology.  I realize
that the way in which we communicate with other has been changed and
that relationships are not what they used to be, but I am curious as
to how we adjust either the technology or ourselves to this change.

2.  What is the Baha'i view on animal rights, reproductive rights,
women's rights and gay rights?

3.  What is the Baha'i view of Baha'u'llah, Jesus, Moses, and
Mohammed?  Where they divinely inspired or where they divine?

4.  In Islam there are the five pillars, does the Baha'i Faith have a
similar structure, if so what is it?

5. What are the rules of Baha'i regarding the family?
 
If I have offended anyone by my phrasing of these questions, I am
deeply sorry.  I am merely curious as I have renounced my former faith
because of an us vs. them feeling that deeply bothered me and I see
Baha'i as a faith that has avoided this philosophical pitfall.  Thank
you for your assistance

                              Peter Kahn
                              gibbon@acs.bu.edu
                              peterk@igc.org
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:16:44
Distribution: world
From: thodges@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Tom Hodges)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Organization: <none>
Subject: Networking Agronomic researchers influenced by Bahai Faith

I am interested in networking with other agronomic researchers
influenced by the Baha'i Faith (or with those interested in agronomic
research).
 
Does anyone know of such a network that is active?
 
Is anyone else interested in such a network?
 
Alt.sustainable.agriculture doesn't seem too suitable because most of
the articles there are pretty virulent personal attacks on other
participants.
 
Feel free to communicate with me by mail or Email for further
discussion (or through this forum if the moderators agree).
 
I may be reached at:

        Tom Hodges
        USDA-ARS
        Rt. 2, Box 2953A
        Prosser, WA 99350
 
        thodges@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
 
Tom Hodges, thodges@beta.tricity.wsu.edu
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:20:51
Distribution: world
From: romer@moray.cs.washington.edu (Ted Romer)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.bahai
Organization: /homes/gws/romer/.organization
Subject: World Congress

This newsgroup has been much too quiet lately.  Maybe people would like
to share their experiences of the congress in New York in November
with those who couldn't be there in person?  Anything that comes to
mind would be good to hear, from personal anecdotes to deeper impressions.

Ted
romer@moray.cs.washington.edu
From: young@cs.rose-hulman.edu (Frank H. Young)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.quaker
Subject: Re: Inner Light
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:27:04 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: na
Reply-To: young@cs.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: shylock.cs.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1993Jan7.034310.26387@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
prh2s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Patrick Ray Harrison) writes:
> Could anyone recommend some reading on Quaker meditative practices
> to an inquiring novice?  I am interested in practical, as well as
> analytical/historical materials.
> 
> Patrick Harrison
> prh2s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu 

Try the book on Quaker worship by George Gorman - I think the title goes  
something like "The ?Amazing? ?? of Quaker Worship"
--
Frank H. Young, Head, Department of Computer Science
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
5500 Wabash Avenue, Terre Haute, Indiana  47803-3999
E-mail: young@cs.rose-hulman.edu   Phone: (812) 877-8401