HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dematnw1@jhuapl.edu (Nick DeMatt)
Subject: TECHNOLOGY INDEPENDENT LIBRARIES USING LMS
Reply-To: dematnw1@jhuapl.edu (Nick DeMatt)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:59:44 GMT

----------------------
Since I didn't receive much response from my first posting, I 
thought I would give it one last try.  So here goes...

Over the last 18 months we have been developing and implementing
a Technology Independent Library structure using V7 LMS.  Our
library structure involves issues like generic symbols, 
non-homogeneous mapping files, multiple simulation models per 
symbol and "activation on the fly" upon instantiation.  

As with all library development "adventures" there have been
many occasions for discussions ranging from structure to 
implementation to support.  Oh yes, and one called V8.  To this 
end, we would like to share the fruits and labor of our ongoing 
adventure with all comers.  Besides the already mentioned 
discussions, we have also spent time addressing assembly headers, 
power/ground table generation, package catalog file generation, 
back annotation and more!

If anyone is interested in further discussions, please post, 
email or phone.  Although all discussions are welcomed, I am 
especially interested in anyone developing a Technology Independent 
Library who has made the transistion from V7 to V8.  Here are 
some suggested topics to get things started.


	1) LMS V7

	2) Technology Independent Libraries

	3) Non-Homogeneous Mapping Files

	4) CVT_COMP 

	5) Quickpart Tables vs Quickparts

	6) Model Registration and the Part Interface File in V8


Personal Opinion:  Overall I am pleased with the V7 LMS product and
                   its implementation.


VOX: 301-953-6000 x3425


----------------------
Nick DeMatt
nick_dematt@jhuapl.edu
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
Subject: Justification for going to MUG
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:40:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Aug26.134012.19668
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

A couple weeks ago I posted an article asking for help justifying a trip
to Oregon for MUG 92 to my boss.  Being the System Administrator I can
see a few good seminars which pertain to me.  The trip would consist of
myself and one of our top hardware engineers.  He has been to MUG 91 and
knows what we can get out of it, but our boss is looking for some way to
justify the couple thousand.  He needs to know that he will be able to
get something back from all of this.  Does anyone have any ideas how we
can persuade him that MUG is a good idea?
-- 
Chuck Tomasi             |     "Mom, it's Data.  I heard you know
chuck@edsi.plexus.COM    |      how to turn him on." 
spool!cserver!edsi!chuck |                    -Wesley  "Datalore"
------<Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton Wisconsin>------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor
From: cdc8752@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.D. Carline )
Subject: Re: pin properities
Originator: cdc8752@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:45:54 GMT

In article <l9bempINNilp@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> steven@pacific.csl.uiuc.edu (Steven Parkes) writes:
>8.1 w/July patches:
>
>Does anyone know where the `movement' of pin properites is documented?
>
>What I'm trying to do is make a `vcc' symbol that will work in both quicksim
>and accusim.  To do this, I put both an `init' propery and a `dcinit' property
>on the pin in the vcc symbol.
>

We have such a symbol; I didn't create it but here are the properties
associated with it:

	Body Properties

		GLOBAL	Value: (VPLUS)		#	VPLUS defined by expand 
		CLASS	Value: G

	Pin Properties

		SPICEINIT	Value: 5		#	Accusim
		INIT		Value: 1SF		#	Quicksim
		PIN			Value:


Chuck

-- 
Chuck Carline				cdc8752@ultb.ics.rit.edu
Computer Engineering
Rochester Institute of Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: thacker@cc1.unt.edu (Mark D. Thacker x2568)
Subject: Re: Anyone get the free Norton Util for Mac offer with 123 ?
Organization: Computing Center, UNT
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:00:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.061317.10740@news.columbia.edu> ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) writes:
>Xref: mercury.unt.edu comp.sys.mac:673 comp.sys.mac.misc:24880
>Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.misc
>Path: mercury.unt.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!cunixa.cc.columbia.edu!ia4
>From: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
>Subject: Anyone get the free Norton Util for Mac offer with 123 ?
>Message-ID: <1992Sep1.061317.10740@news.columbia.edu>
>Sender: usenet@news.columbia.edu (The Network News)
>Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
>Organization: Columbia University
>Distribution: usa
>Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:13:17 GMT
>Lines: 10
>I remmber being offered Norton Utilities for Mac as a free gift for getting
>Lotus 123 for Mac.  However I am still waiting for the software
>
>No one at Norton or Lotus admits knoiwing about it (I mean people I have
>spoekn with)
>
>Does anyone remember the offer inthe last few months.
>
>Imran
>


There is a coupon book that is chock full of offers like this that you can 
obtain from Apple.  One catch though: you are supposed to redeem only one 
coupon per person.

One of the coupons is for a free copy of Norton with the purchase of Lotus 1-
2-3 before some deadline in October.  Note that this coupon requires both 
the registration card and the dated sales receipt. (any stuff bought of the 
net, like my copy of 1-2-3, won't qualify if you don't have the sales 
receipt).


I can provide two of these coupons myself, but I picked them up at the Apple 
info center at the Infomart here in Dallas; they shouldn't be all that 
difficult to get.

Like I said, I have two that I can provide, but that's it.

Mark Thacker

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From: justin@netcom.com (Justin Milliun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Cyrillic Font for the Mac
Keywords: fonts, cyrillic
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:34:04 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Is there a Cyrillic font set available for the Mac?
I'd be interested in knowing about either commercial or shareware.
If someone knows about where/how to obtain this font, please let me
know, and thanks in advance.
A direct email answer would be best.

Justin   (justin@netcom.com)

-- 

Justin J. Milliun, Jr.             justin@netcom.com
From: terjer@ifi.unit.no (Terje Rydland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:48:00 GMT
Organization: Ifi, University of Trondheim / AVH

In article <92240.140752REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
writes:
>Despite the fact that this is the wrong heading, I know ewright will
>read it...
>   Post your best (even theoretical) numbers of
>a) MIPS
>b) MFlops
>c) pixels/second
>d) kB/second disk speed.
>
>   You have $6000 to spend on a system and an OS (yes, we will pretend
>Windows is an OS. OS/2, System 7 and Unix/X-windows all qualify. DOS
>could be counted, I guess).
>   My offering, A customized, compatible:  Texgraphics CIS-486/50E
>
>   50 MHz 486 with AMI BIOS, 256K 15 nS cache over internal 8k cache
>   8 MB 60 nS RAM (upgradeable to 64MB on board)
>   Orchid Prodesigner IISE EISA (32-bit bus) 16-bit graphics card
>      capable of 1280x1024 resolution
>   AMI Fast Disk II caching SCSI controller (386sx-16 as a controller)
>      with 4MB disk cache - (This is like using a Mac Classic II as a
>      dedicated disk cache system for a Quadra!)
>   Cabletron Ethernet card (added to make up for Quadra's Ethernet expense)
>   Microsoft two-button bus mouse
>   NEC 14" 3FGx Monitor
>   Microscience 14 mS access, 676MB SCSI-II drive with 500K hr. MTBF and
>      64K look-ahead track buffer.
>   2 serial ports, 1 parallel port.
>   Math coprocessor (built in to 486)
>
>   three available 32 bit slots for expansion.
>   Loaded with operating system (choose anything but System n (Mac) for
>   this puppy! OK- Unix would be BSD 386 freeware...

I could for less than  this price  a Quadra 700 w/16" screen. The difference
isn't
all that big! And isn't it nice : I can describe a simlar Mac system to the
one you just used 17 lines to describe in just 3 words! Sort of gives an
idea of what Mac-people are talking about!
You have just proved that a PC and a Mac cost about the same. GREAT!
Then why should I buy a PC?

Terje Rydland
From: cohen@spot.Colorado.EDU (Matt Cohen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Emergency help needed + an Excel question
Keywords: Crash
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:06:57 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


   (emergency question posting for a friend)
  HELP!  My mac classic server crashed, and it gives me the unhappy
mac startupscreen plus some 0000000F and 00000003 numbers below it.
It was working fine until I restarted and got the bad news.  
    Mac classic 1/40 with 6.0.7, partitioned with silverlining, running 
appleshare v.2.0.1 print- and file-servers.
   I can't boot off a floppy because the crash comes before it checks the
drives (hard or floppy).  

   Help needed, send all-knowing answers to Cohen@spot.colorado.edu and I'll
pass them on.



(non-emergency question)
     Can anyone recommend an easy Excel 3.0/4.0 learning book for giving to a 
computer illiterate parents who wishes to learn how to use Excel for doing
spreadsheets and small database work?  Easy, down-to-earth instructions are
a must.  

ADVThanxANCE 
Matt Cohen
-- 
 Matthew Cohen  -+- a.k.a. Silver Sword!    : (Personality-indicitive quote) 
 Cohen@spot.colorado.edu - home machine     :  REALITY is for those people   
 1621 9th #6, Boulder CO 80302 -slow machine:    who can't handle FANTASY!   
          (303) 939-8068 -answering machine :                       -M.C.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: ewright is full of Bull.....
From: stanger@otago.ac.nz (Nigel Stanger)
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:35:44 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
> Well, now, isn't that special.  Yes, Mr. Andle, your title shows
> just how mature and reasoned your opinion is.  I will, however,
> do as you suggest and put an end to all this "hot air."  I believe
> that it is a violation of Internet rules to post email messages
> without the writer's knowledge and permission.  So, can anyone
> tell me how I go about getting this infant kicked off the net?

Rules? What rules? Using Internet is like programming the Mac --
there's a whole pile of _guidelines_ which you may choose to
ignore if you so wish, but if you do, lots of people won't like
it very much. There are no _rules_. And the only person who can
kick someone off the net is the sysadmin for that particular
site. Internet is not an organisation (thank god).

I will agree, however, that it is a violation of netiquette to
post private email without prior permission.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nigel Stanger,                  Internet: stanger@otago.ac.nz
University of Otago,            Phone: +64 3 479-8179
Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND.           Fax:   +64 3 479-8311
Today's secret word is: "theodolite".
From: daver@sunspot.ssl.berkeley.edu (David Ray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: program for creating stereoscopic images?
Date: 3 Sep 1992 20:02:45 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunspot.ssl.berkeley.edu

There is a shareware program from Finland that lets you view a
stereoscopic image with SEGA 3d LCD glasses. Yiu have to have the
SEGA glasses And build an interface circuit to the Mac. I don't
know what image format is required, though.
-dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: cfranz@iiic.ethz.ch (Christian Steffen Ove Franz)
Subject: Re: RE-MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 09:00:11 GMT

In article <ewright.714943725@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <ajross.714890195@husc10> ajross@husc10.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross) writes:
>
>>Multiple screen support and Quicktime are the only 
>>REAL advantages a Mac has.
>
>Oh, really?  Okay, try this.  Sit down at your PC and insert a floppy
>disk.  Now, take that floppy disk labelled "C" and rename it "Weekly
>Reports, Jan 1992."  Create a file on that disk named "Joe's Document
>(c) 1992" where "(c)" is the copyright symbol, not the letter "c" between
>two ASCII parentheses.  Create an alias that you can click on to launch
>several programs and documents simultaneously.  Record a brief sound and
>store it in a format that is compatible with the sound-output hardware
>on any PC.  Write an extension to customize the operation and appearance 
>of Microsoft Windows so that when you click on a control the window rolls 
>up like a windowshade.

HA! From what I know about OS/2 the last time I looked, even INSTALLING
such an extension is quite a challenge (snicker). To write such a beast? 
(Hysterical laughter). Hey, lets drop this subject. Before long, some-
body will turn up and compare MIPS...

>
>It's easy to do in Windows.  But most PC software still runs under
>DOS, not Windows, and most DOS programs do not put colors under 
>user control.
>

Oh, and don't forget to type in those cute command parameters a la
'-l kbttx.txt -p HIMEM -c ul8er'. 
I'm afraid a PC jock just likes his machine as much as we like ours
and is likewise blind to its faults (c'mon, Sys7 *is* slow on a SE,
but it still runs, though). 

Cheers,
Christian



-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Christian S. O. Franz                 |                   cfranz@iiic.ethz.ch
ETH Zuerich, Swizerland               |                     vismgr@rz.ethz.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: grabenst@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Michael Grabenstein; ACS (GUEST))
Subject: Re: A Petty Question
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:44:21 GMT

In article <1920011@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> klarson@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kris Larson) writes:
>Kind of a silly question, but one I'm compelled to ask...
>
>Why is it that the little Mac logo on my startup screen ("Welcome to
>Macintosh") no longer is in color?  I recently had the logic board replaced
>on my LC (the sockets weren't holding my SIMMs in place), and since then
>that logo has been black and white.  Can it be changed back?
>

	There is some switch telling the system that you have a
BW system. I have never found it, but this is the best thing I 
can think of to explain it. I have just re-installed the system 
from disk. Note sometimes I have to trash the system before
I re-installed it. Or if you have a back up of your system file
(which is a real good idea) you can jsut copy it back into the
system folder.

Later,
	Mike
	ZMEG@AACC.bitnet
	or grabenst@umbc3.umbc.edu
From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: MACS COST TOO MUCH (NOT!)
Date: 29 Aug 1992 00:39:47 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) writes:

>>It seems to me there are certain fanatical persons who starts jumping up 
>>and down frothing at the mouth everytime someone makes an uncomplimentary 
>>comment on his Favorite Machine (even if those comments were right),

>It seems to me there are certain fanatical persons who dote on PCs and
>are so obsessed with proving that "Macs cost too much" that they must
>do so at every oportunity.  

And that person isn't me.  In fact, I hardly said anything in this thread.
All I see is you screaming PC costs too much and is a piece of trash.
Most PC posters are simply correcting the massive amount of misinformation 
being spreaded around.

>                            Let me point out that no one here is posting
>"PCs cost too much" articles in comp.sys.ibm.pc, although I am tempted
>to start.

Go ahead, be my guest, I doubt it can make you look less mature than you've
already shown here.

>           Yet people who don't even *own* Macs, and certainly don't
>know much about them, are posting flames here just for the purile pleasure 
>of peeing on someone else's tree.

I don't own a Mac, never claimed to know much about them, fact is, I never
said anything about Macs that I have not personally experienced.  However,
I see some people who has never even seen, let along use OS/2, but love to
flame it just for the puerile pleasure of ticking someone else off, if you
get my drift, Edward.

>                                   You say you're very busy with school
>work, but you have time to follow a thread in a newsgroup devoted to a
>machine you don't own, use, or even like, and email out flames of your
>own?  That sounds pretty fanatical to me.

I followed this thread for the same reason I read comp.sys.amiga and comp.
sys.next groups -- to learn more about other machines, I'd thought most
people posting to Usenet were civilized, intelligent folks who only use
reason and facts, even in heated discussions.  Apparently I was mistaken.

When I email someone, it's often to correct misinformation, in a polite
manner.  I've never called anyone a "kid" in a condecending manner, or a 
dumb jock, or...

From my previous email correspondence with you, I doubt it'd be worth my
time to get into any more discussion with you, feel free to get in the last
word, I don't care.  But I feel compelled to offer this friendly piece of
advice: chill out man, it's only a computer.  From the frequency and tone
of your posts, I'd thought someone made a comment about the size of your...
never mind.

-- Nan
From: ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Stylewriter printing problems
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:13:35 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <14396@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng) writes:
> The problem is that the version of Word you have is incompatible with the
> Stylewriter driver.  You need to have at least version 4.0e.  I don't think
> that you'll be able to get it from Microsoft--they'll just force you to buy
> 5.0.

As I recall, 4.00e was a quick hack to get it working on the Quadras.
Microsoft's recommendation was that users of other Mac models stick with 4.00d.

Lawrence
Microsoft-free StyleWriter owner.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: tiirola@polaris.utu.fi (Timo Iirola)
Subject: Problems with my HD's interleave
Organization: University of Turku
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 15:01:04 GMT

Hi,

I had a Plus and an external 20 M Apple HD. I bought a Quantum 105 and
my intention was to change the drives by myself. They didn't get the
drive to the shop on the day they promised and so they said they could
do the work for me. They brought the disk to me home and everything
seemed to be fine - but it came out they had formatted the disk using
interleave 1:1. (should be 1:3 for Plus?)

I tried to format the disk using my old Apple HD installer that I have got
when I bought my HD. But it didn't recognice the new disk. 

If I start my Mac with a diskette the HD icon is on the desktop and the HD
works. So, do I have to change the interleave to 1:3? And is it really
so that Apple HD installer recognices only Apple HDs?

Timo
From: bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: White Knight (Re: You cannot do xxx to file yyy ...)
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:08:21 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <4509@news.duke.edu> king@acpub.duke.edu (King Rhoton) writes:
>
>From king Thu Aug 13 11:15:06 1992
>To: /afs/acpub/users5/king/.article
>
>I've seen this same kind of problem with, most notably, White Knight when
>receiving a file as MacBinary.  When downloading to the desktop, it seems that
>the MacBinary file gets put there, and then converted to a Mac file, but the
>MacBinary file's icon is still there (and the un-binaried file's isn't).  
>Trying to do anything with that icon results in a "cannot be found" message.

	So it's not me!  Every time I download (via Kermit, as it turns
out) I end up with a misnamed file, and an icon that can't be used.
What I do is close the folder and re-open it -- the icon is now correct.
Is there any reason why this is the case?  This wasn't the case ehn
I used Versaterm ...

-- 
Brian Russ
CSE Department, UC San Diego
..!sdcsvax!bruss	bruss@beowulf.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: johnsd2@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu (Daniel Norman Johnson)
Subject: Re: Keeping system in ROM
Reply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:54:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.230755.9716@athena.cs.uga.edu>, kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug31.041225.20738@ultb.isc.rit.edu> sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
|> >I read recently in _MacWeek_ that some of the new macs, just the
|> >Performa's, I think, will have system 7 in the ROM. I was first 
|> >disappointed. I was considering buying one, but not if the system
|> >being in ROM would not allow upgrades. After all, where would we
|> >all be if system 6 was permanently in our current ROMs. We'd have to
|> >buy new ones to upgrade to sys7 (I think.) However, wouldn't this mean
|> >increased speed and more free memory? Do things in ROM require RAM?
|> >I'd be interested in hearing what others think. I just can't make up
|> >my mind!
|> 
|> Yes, having the OS in ROM gives you increased speed and a lot more
|> free RAM (although some RAM is still used for OS 'workspace').  
|> However, the bad thing is, as you said, in OS upgrades.  Upgrading
|> ROM-based OS's is more expensive and more troublesome, and it would
|> be especially for System 7 on the Mac.

Actually, a large hunk of the MacOS is already in ROM (quickdraw, the
file manager, the window manager, parts of the system file etc etc)
although not all of it. Apple has never had any trouble patching it
before, for new Systems. Why should putting the WHOLE system in ROM
change this? (assuming o' course u had a CD-ROM, Hard Drive or something
like that to boot off of- and I dont see how a new Mac would be
much good without something like that)

|> [deletia about pricing ROM upgrades, etc]

-- 
			- Dan Johnson
And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0

These opinions have had all identifiying marks removed, and are untraceable.
You'll never know whose they are.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Quickeys 2.1
Keywords: Macros
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:47:50 GMT

knapp@cs.purdue.EDU (Edgar Knapp) writes:

>Careful! QK 2 has a severe limitation in that it handles only the
>first ten applications.
[stuff deleted]
>It's lost a lot of its usefulness for me, exactly for that reason.

How many people run 10 or more app's at once? ALL the time??

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.comm