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From: s1495926@techst02.technion.ac.il (Danny Kreindler)
Subject: A personal experience in Poland
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:25:25 GMT

I just returned from a trip to Poland where I tried to find
remnants of Jewish life. There's nothing left, even the
cemeteries were destroyed. Poland is one big Jewish
graveyard.  There are hardly any Jews left in Poland, yet
anti-semitism is quite alive. It was a very depressing sad
experience for me.
     In the Polish tourist town of SANDOMIERZ a large
painting depicting in full detail the process of religious
Jews killing Christian children for their blood to be used in
religious rituals is permanently displayed in the town's
Cathedral.
     The painting shows a Jewish woman enticing children to
come into the place where they are killed by the men. An
unmistakable rabbi figure is seen collecting the blood into
an urn. At the bottom of the painting another man throws the
bodies of the dead children to the dogs.
     In 1957, 43 Jews were murdered in Kielc (Poland) when a
rumor spread that a Christian child had been killed for its
blood.
     Can anyone suggest what steps should be taken to remove
that dangerous and offensive painting from the walls of the
Samdomierz Cathedral?

     Any comments will be appreiciated- to the s.c.j. or to
the above address.


     Yaakov Gladstone.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Hebrew origin of some English words
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:40:28 GMT

boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi) writes:

>Here are some more:

> 1. moot (e.g., "the issue is moot") ==>  MAVET
> 2. degree ==> DARGAH
> 3. cholera ==> CHOLI  RA :
>         _ _ __       _ |_  _ ____
>         | |   |      |   | |  | |
>        _|/    |         /  |  | |

>   A propos: Is it a sign -- in the dictionary, cholera comes right
>	     after  Cholent  :-) :-)

    I have heard a claim but don't know how to check it, that the name Cholent
would come from French "chaud-lent" ("hot-slow") which had been used very long
ago for "cassoulet". Any expert on French cuisine to comment on that ?

>-- Boaza
    Yaaqov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish vs Arabs
From: <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:08:52 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

I BELIEVE that the reason that the Arab countries have given Israel such a hard
 time :-), is because of two MAJOR reasons:
          1) land. Let's face it, Israel has access to the Mediterranean and th
e Red sea. Bacause of this and many other reasons, it is a valuable piece of
real estate.

          2)Honor.  I'm not so sure that the Arabs were so thrilled that the Je
ws reveived this land when they were sure that they would receive it.
Note:  Until about 4 or 5 years ago, Jordan considered Israel as part of Jordan
.  If anybody watched Jordanian TV back then, you would see their weather maps
with no border between Israel and Jordan, and they would give the weather forca
sts for some areas in Israel.

              Eylon Geva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk (Stephen Phillips)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Cc: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: stephenp@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:38:59 +0000


> +From         : stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
> +Subject      : Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
> 
> The obligation to God is clear; Jews do NOT marry non-Jews, period.

Unfortunately they do, and in ever increasing numbers.

> If that isn't enough, then a person shouldn't be so selfish as to
> ignore the devastating effect such a marriage will have on her
> parents.

In the many cases I have come across there has been no such
"devastating effect" as the parents have not led a religious life and
could hardly expect their children to.

>          In the extreme case, the parents can declare the child dead
> and go through the appropriate mourning rituals; is any child so
> wicked as to put his or parents through that?

What do you term "the extreme case". In practice today I don't think
that parents do, or should, sit Shivah for children who marry out. A
case arose recently in my Wife's family and I was not certain as to
how we should be reacting. I asked a good friend of mine who is a
Rabbi and a considerable Talmid Chochom. He told me that his own
brother had married out some years before. His reaction was to
maintain contact with his brother in the hope that one day he would
"return to the fold".

I heard of another case where the mother of a son who had married out
consulted with one of the Dayanim of the London Beis Din. The advice
again was that she should not break off contact with her son.

I think, therefore, that matters are not as clear cut as you would
have them.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Stephen (Yisroel) Phillips      Tel: 44-895-442141
Burch Phillips & Co.            Fax: 44-895-421231
63a Station Road
West Drayton
Middlesex
UB7 7LR
United Kingdom                  stephenp@compulink.co.uk

********************************************************************************
**************** A G'MAR VECHASIMAH TOVAH TO ONE AND ALL ***********************
********************************************************************************

Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:17604 soc.culture.polish:3166
From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: A personal experience in Poland
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:22:17 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:

>painting, after all, that "educated" generations of poles (and
>similar artwork did the same for others around the world) so that
>they were prepared to actively participate in the "final solution."
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So tell us, Douglas, where can we find more about how Poles ACTIVELY
participated in the "final solution". Did they come-up with the idea of
mass extermination, did they build the death camps, did they run them?
Tell us their names, Douglas, so we can hunt them down, and punish them.


MB
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Cemetary in Germany
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:01:59 GMT

ahorwitz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anita S Horwitz) writes:

#Did anybody see on Yom Kippur morning that there was a graveyard in Germany 
#that got completely vandalized by antisemites?  

There is a German lady posting daily accounts of neo-Nazi acts
of violence in soc.culture.german. Most are against asylum
seekers but some have also been directed at Jews.

#We see this type of action 
#constantly, but I feel especially angry when it is something that I cannot do 
#anything about.  When I see antisemetic occurrences happening in my surrounding
#then at least I have friends to help me deal with it.  

Frankly I think we should pay more attention to antisemitism in the
US, ranging from Buchanan to the hard-core neo-Nazis, the "Liberty
Lobby", the IHR etc. 

#What is being done in 
#Germany or anywhere else?  When I saw that in the paper Yom Kippur morning it 
#made me nautious.  What can we do?  Any suggestions?

Get yourself a .45. That is what I would do, but unfortunately there
is no permission to buy weapons in RI. Also, try to expose antisemites
and educate the public about what their true agenda is, and what are
the dangers they pose to non-Jews as well as to Jews.

#I am new to this newsgroup so if this topic is very outdated, I apologize

Sigh.... it will never be outdated.

-Danny Keren.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: *Jesus of Nazareth*
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:09:51 GMT

On Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:33:45 GMT, memco@cns.nyu.edu said:

 M> 	I've been wondering what the specific Jewish theological
 M> reaction to several components of Christian theology are.

	I'll take of my yarmulke and dig my Catholic hat out of the
dumpster for this one.  Boy, never thought I'd see this thing agin...

	Probably not the place here, but what the hey.  (BTW- Follow-Ups
directed to talk.religion.misc.  Seemed most apropos.)

 M> 2)	There has also been some suggestion that Jesus went willingly
 M> (to some extent) to the cross specifically to "wash away" said sins.
 M> Wouldn't this be considered suicide?

	The Christian standpoint would most likely be that after a
certain point, the rest was fated in order to bring fulfill prophesy.
Who's prophesy is up for grabs, considering the distortions introduced
into Christian versions of the Tanakh.  But suicide, no, not really.  In
fact, the Passion of Christ recited (or semi-enacted, as several priests
take roles in the responsorial reading) makes a big deal out of Jesus
(or Joshua) filling out various prophesies, i.e., casting lots for his
clothing, giving him sour wine, &etc.

 M> 3)	Finally, when Christians consume the host and drink the
 M> sacremental wine, at the moment they enter the mouth, they are
 M> supposedly transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus
 M> respectively. Isn't this cannibalism?

	This is, so far as I know, not Christian but Catholic only.
There's a wonderfully convoluted piece of Catholic theology (complex
enough to make Talmud clear) referring to, and I'm not kidding here,
"transsubstantiation."  

	So far as I was *ever* able to figure out, transsubstantiation
occurs when the priest places his hands over the gifts (matza and wine)
during the Liturgy (accompanied by a bell-ringing to get your attention
[G-d's truth, I was an altar boy so I know]).  It didn't occur in the
mouth, as you state.

	As for being literal body and blood, and the shades of ritual
cannibalism that it invokes, it's meant as a metaphor for the Christ's
(Christ is a title, folks) *spiritual* body and circulatory fluid.
Catholic theologians dealt with this a long long time ago.

	As a side note, some sections from Catholic Liturgy you all
might find amusing:

	"On the night He was betrayed, he took bread and gave you thanks
and praise..."
	"He took the cup, again He gave you thanks and praise, gave the
cup to his disciples and said..."

	Sound familiar to anyone?

	Also:

	After the gifts are brought to the altar, the priest says:
	"Blessed are you, Lord G-d of all Creation, through your
goodness we have this bread to offer.  Fruit of the ground and the work
of human hands, it will become for us the Bread of Life," to which the
congregation responds "Blessed be G-d forever."
	...followed by a similar recitation over the wine...
	...*THEN* he washes his hands.  Go figure.

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"Putting his yarmulke back on with a sigh of relief..."
From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jesus
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:55:15 GMT
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel

In <1992Oct7.190956.17316@math.ucla.edu> shteingd@dione.math.ucla.edu (Semion D. Shteingold) writes:

>Excuse, me please, but as I remember
>Mashiah will be born on tish'be'av, not in december.

I don't think this midrash is meant to be taken literally any more
than the one that says that his name will be Menachem.  Neither of
these requirements are mentioned in Mishneh Torah.
-- 
/|/-\/-\       The entire hall		Jerusalem
 |__/__/_/     is a very strange carrot.
 |warren@      But the hiker
/ nysernet.org is not all that concerned.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:16:21 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

pawel@tethys.ph.albany.edu writes:

>   To make my point clear: I have no doubts that "Protocols ..."
> are anti-Semitic, but selling, buying the book and reading it doesn't
> make me anti-Semitic.  Whow otherwise would I know what what
> is inside ?  How do you know ?  I do not think that to prohibit
> people from expressing their views is the best way to fight
> ideas.

You miss the point here.  The Protocols are not simply the work of an 
author whose viewpoints are antisemitic.  If this were the case, I would 
be supporting the right of the author to express his point of view 
vehemently.

The Protocols are a lie, a forgery, and an attempt to stir up violent 
hatred of Jews.  They are not literary expression, they are a political 
tool used to promote the agenda of antisemitism.

If you sell, distribute, promote, or display them for any reason other 
than to expose them for what they are and to educate people about them, 
then you are engaging in a political act of antisemitism.

You claim that this person was "merely displaying them with other books" 
for sale.  You cannot 'merely display' the Protocols with other books in 
a store, they are not literature and are not a part of the public 
marketplace of ideas.

Todd
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lazer@intacc.uucp (Lazer Danzinger)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:35:41 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

Stan Krieger writes:
>In the extreme case, the parents can declare the child dead
>and go through the appropriate mourning rituals....

	What is the Halachic basis for the above?

	As a side note, parents ought to be aware that unless
	they educate their children about Judaism, inculcating
	them with a deep and abiding appreciation of its values
	and traditions, children will have no compelling reason
	why not to intermarry.

	All too often parents fail, when raising their children,
	to make Judaism meaningful to them. Consequently, parents
	are hard pressed to explain to their starried-eyed child
	why not to follow the dictates of their love-filled heart.

----
Rabbi Lazer Danzinger
MASHIACH IS ON THE WAY-- Be a Part of It!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:35:53 GMT

dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

>Anyone who sells or publishes the "Protocols" is an antisemitic
>scumbag and that is that.

>-Danny Keren.

I think the "Protocols" should be published with a foreword which
explains the nature of the book as a forgery. I don't know if there are
any such copies available, but if not, then perhaps someone should see
to it that they become available. Perhaps the book in the church
bookshop had such a foreword, but if not, then there is certainly a
need for complaints to be raised.


MB
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Subject: Re: sexism
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:17:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.131650.22385@athena.mit.edu> terra@athena.mit.edu (Terra Incognita) writes:
> ...
>I say this because the role to which Judaism relegates women is pretty
>much the same as the role women have been given in almost every social/
>ethnic group since the dawn of Western civilization, that of
>housekeeper/childbearer/caregiver.  My take on all of this is that
> ...

Please forgive me for saying so, but I find this statement highly
demeaning and insulting. What greater function can there be in life
then to raise the next generation of Jewish children to serve G-d?

People dedicate their lives to build better machines - and that's
understandable and acceptable to us. But when they dedicate their lives
to build better human beings, that is unacceptable, mundane and
trivial???

Does this not sound like a warped sense of values?

Sincerely,
Hayim Hendeles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: allenmk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (The Not So Tall Adventurer)
Subject: Re: *Jesus of Nazareth*
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:19:27 GMT

ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:

>In article <1992Oct6.203345.23169@cmcl2.nyu.edu> memco@cns.nyu.edu
>writes:

>NOTE: It is interesting that christians selected that cruel murdering
>      instrument - the cross - to be their symbol, and they even
>      worship that bizaare instrument.

We do not worship the cross at all.  The cross, to us, is a reminder of the
agony we believe Jesus suffered on our behalf.  We did not choose the cross,
either--the Romans chose to execute Jesus in that way, and so it took on the
symbolism it now has.

>3)     Finally, when Christians consume the host and drink the
>>sacremental wine, at the moment they enter the mouth, they are
>>supposedly transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus
>>respectively. Isn't this cannibalism?

>Since it is not transformed it is not canibalism.

>Whoever , this paganic action is definitely an idolworship.
>They considered the wine and cake to  be part of jesus and hence
>according to their belief a part of god. The status of the wine and
>the cake in their mouth is exactly that of a wood after it was turned
>to an idol. Chewing and swolowing that sod is their way of
>worshiping it.

The idea that the wine and bread literally become the flesh and blood of Jesus
is not widely held in among Christians, but is limited to the Catholic Church
(I could be mistaken, but I believe that this is true).  Most Christians
believe that the wine and the bread are a symbol, as is the cross, of what we
believe Jesus did for us.  When we eat and drink the bread and wine, we do so
to remember Jesus' sacrifice, NOT to worship bread and wine.  


Melinda Allen
-- 
Melinda K. Allen                  The LORD is close to the brokenhearted 
allenmk@ucsu.colorado.edu       and saves those who are crushed in spirit.   
allenmk@tramp.colorado.edu			               Psalm 34:18 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Re: On False Messiahs (was * Jesus * )
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:07:28 GMT

In <1992Oct14.190500.25344@cs.tulane.edu> david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann) writes:

>In article <199210131443.AA26813@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>>These days we  have the same matter again.  A  well organized campaign
>>is there to "hint" rather loudly that the present Lubavitcher Rebbe is
>>going to be the Messiah and  that "soon" he will reveal himself.  Once
>>this farce  is over, excuses will  be found why after  all the Messiah
>>had not come.   About the damage this will cause  to those many simple
>>souls who  were misled by that  propaganda, no one cares.   Lessons of
>>all  previous  false  Messiahs  and  the  tragedies  they  caused  are
>>forgotten once the current "real" one is about to "arrive".
>>
>Just to focus on fact again, Michael makes several unfounded
>assumptions here, the worst being that there can be no Moshiach.I am
>willing to let history decide. 

How long are you willing to wait for "history to decide".  One year,
ten years, a lifetime?

If the answer is: forever, than you cannot claim the proof of future
history.  If you give a date than we will wait until that date to
see what happens.

>David Kaufmann

--
Eli Chiprout
Dept. of Electronics
Carleton University	
emc@doe.carleton.ca
From: jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jodi.weber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kaddish for pets?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:10:28 GMT
Organization: AT&T

>> 
>> Is there a rule/ruling on whether one may say Kaddish for a pet?
>> 
>> Jodi Weber
>> jodiweber@attmail.com   or   jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
>> 

>================
>Surely this pet must have some closer relatives besides the human owner.
>Maybe a cousin cat or dog, or a brother?
>Was the pet Jewish? Did he have a bris, bat or bar mitzvah?
>Please be more specific when asking such brilliant thought provoking
>questions for the readers.
>
Actually, no pet has died.  I was just wondering. 
But I have enjoyed all the brilliant, thought
provoking answers people have provided.


Jodi Weber
jodiweber@attmail.com   or   jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: sexism
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:08:48
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
	<1992Oct11.031033.27038@tc.cornell.edu>
	<RLK.92Oct11003527@underprize.think.com>
	<1992Oct11.142017.9836@tc.cornell.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: underprize.think.com
In-reply-to: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu's message of Sun, 11 Oct 1992 14:20:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.142017.9836@tc.cornell.edu> bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:

   In article <RLK.92Oct11003527@underprize.think.com> rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:
   >In article <1992Oct11.031033.27038@tc.cornell.edu> bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) writes:
   >
   >   In article <1b7sucINNhtj@agate.berkeley.edu> lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
   >   >
   >   >Why is it always predominantly men who invoke the argument of
   >   >the word of G-d and the argument that they see nothing unfair
   >   >to women in Orthodox tradition?
   >
   >   How does the gender of the person making an argument affects the argument
   >   itself ?  If the majority of persons claiming that women are degraded
   >   in Orthodox tradition happen to be women, should that discredit the
   >   claim itself ?
   >
   >It doesn't affect the argument per se, but if there's significant
   >correlation between gender and which side of the argument one takes
   >there certainly are grounds for at least trying to determine why that
   >difference exists.

   Correlation != cause&effect. Cause&effect are much more difficult to
   determine than correlation.

Agreed, but a correlation is certainly grounds for investigating cause
and effect.
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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: JOKE
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:44:20 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1992Oct15.021025.16245@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, friedenb@emerald.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg) writes:
>
> A Jewish mother goes to the airport to greet her daughter.  The
> daughter gets off of the plane accompanied by a 6'9" Zulu
> warrior with a bone through his nose and a spear in his hand.
>
> The mother cried "I told you to marry a RICH doctor!"
>
> ;^)
>
>


Actually it was:

"I told you to marry a RICH doctor not a WITCH doctor".
:-)
Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL





>
>
> DISCLAIMER:  In these days of hyper-sensitive political correctness
> one must be careful with jokes.  This joke was not meant to be
> racist, anti-Zulu, (or pro-African Nat'l Congress), or otherwise
> offensive.  If it was, please accept my apologies.
>
> Gedaliah Friedenberg
> -=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
> -=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
> -=-Michigan State University
>
>
From: lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: sexism
Date: 11 Oct 1992 00:36:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Summary: preponderance of male responses


Why is it always predominantly men who invoke the argument of
the word of G-d and the argument that they see nothing unfair
to women in Orthodox tradition?

Leslie