From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: casualties during the Intifadah
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:11:56 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <F9qksB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>
>It's nice to see Anisa quoting Mr. Dershowitz.  Next thing, you'll
>be observing Shabbat.  Oy veh...   :)

Waddaya mean?  Of course I observe Sabbath - only it isn't on Shabbat.  :-)

>Israel at least *has* an opposition voice.  When any Palestinians
>voice dissent in Judea and/or Gaza, they're rubbed out by some
>other (Palestinian) faction.  More Palestinians have been killed
>by other Palestinians in Judea/Gaza than by Israelis.  This
>seemingly major point is conveniently glossed over by the pro-
>Palestinian camp.

Facts are facts, Phil.  I am not saying that no Palestinian has been
killed by another Palestinian, but it isn't simply over voicing dissent.
We don't see how the 'fair' and 'just' Israeli government is protecting
their rights - just allowing the bloodshed to continue until the last
Palestinian is dead and their 'Palestinian Problem' is solved.  I don't
see you and other pro-Israelis recognizing this or even the undercover
units that go into the territories to murder.  I hate when you put on
this front!

Where is Judea, by the way?

>I used to read about what a "terrorist" Shamir and the Likud were.
>Now that Rabin and Labour are in charge, I hear Ashrawi say that
>"they're just as bad as Shamir."

Doesn't Rabin have the same agenda as the old anarchist, Shamir?  Are
his policies really that different?

>Last I read, the Israelis had given up 7,000 housing units in the
>territories.  Stone-cold stopped the building, midstream.  I'm still
>waiting to see *any* conciliatory response from the Palestinians.
>Give me everything now or we'll continue to fight.  That's their
>attitude.

I think an appropriate 'conciliatory response' from the Israelis
would be to initially recognize the Palestinian people and their
self-autonomy.  How do you expect progress to happen when you
don't even recognize the person/people that you are dealing with
as human beings worthy of rights and self-determination?  On the
situation of the freezing of settlements, I think you should read
this:

		"Soon after coming to office, he [Rabin] took a
	number of initiatives which seemed encouraging, such as
	his acceptance of the principle of exchanging land for
	peace; his reiteration of Israel's committment to Security
	Council Resolution 242; his partial freezing of Jewish
	settlements in Arab territories (actually, construction was
	halted on 5,000 settlements only and was allowed to proceed
	on 11,000 others!) his suspension (but not rescission) of
	the law passed by the Likud government criminalising any
	contacts between Israeli citizens and members of the PLO,
	etc.  All of which raised hopes that the new Israeli leader
	realised that the 'other party' should be dealt with as a
	*subject*, not an object, of history, and that negotiations
	should do more than just circumvent obstacles in the way of
	Israel's objectives."
				3-9 September 1992/Al-Ahram
 
>The intifada could be called off for openers.  Too drastic?  How 
>about calling off the Arab boycott.  Still too drastic?  How about
>getting Assad to free the Syrian Jews?  No?  Maybe a Jordanian news-
>paper could print *something* nice about Israel, which would be a
>first.  Any sign (except the birdie) would be welcome in Israel.

The Israelis could do a lot toward achieving peace between the
Palestinians but it isn't in their interest to do so as Palestinians
have nothing to offer them.  Assad and King Hussein do not fit into
the picture nor should they be any part of the peace package.

Do Israelis know what the birdie is?  :-)

Anisa
 
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