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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Superman should die!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:38:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.205053.8931@iscsvax.uni.edu> steffen8546@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>     I have not spent alot of time reading how people have reacted to DC's
>decision to kill off Superman.  So I might be repeating someone somewhere else. 
>I work at Oakleaf Comics here in Cedar Falls, Iowa, and as expected, Friday and
>Saturday was a zoo.  I would estimate that 80-90% of the people who came in to
>our store that day had never been in before.
>     DC has created the biggest plublicity stunt in the history of comic books
>and I cannot see anyone ever topping this.  But think of the repercussions.  So
>many people came to buy a comic book, something they have not done since they
>were a kid.  And I would guess that about half of them will actually read it,
>and hopefully enjoy the book.  If they do they may continue to come back and
>buy more books.  This could improve the image of comics in gereral and erase
>the notion that comics are just for kids.
>     So all of you who think this is the dumbest thing ever to happen, because
>we all know they will bring him back, this could change the industry in a
>positive way.  So please don't whine about this just being a stunt.  It is the
>best thing that could have happened to the industry.
>
>Think about it.
>Jason
>
I have.  And the main problem is, that the clear majority, if they understand
HOW comics operates, will never open the polybag in the FIRST place!  The
story will go unread, in the vain hope that one day, it will pay for 
junior's college tuition.  Yeah, for one nanosecond...
	For those who DO open it up, can ANY adult enjoy this purile trash?
It only reinforces that comics are punchmeinnafaces for children.  Gee, a 
panel a page, an such heroic musings as to make Hamlet puke.  There was
no suspense, no sense of tragic irony, or tragic flaw.  Superman died for
one reason:  the Almighty Dollar, and I guarantee you, THAT won't bring 
in any new customers.  Had Moore, Miller, or Gaiman written it, yes, then
I would agree with you.  But I've shown the last issue of the watchmen
and the last issue of Doomsday to two people who had never read comics 
seriously, and they cared a HELL of a lot more about the death of Rohrschach,
a character they knew nothing about, than Superman, who is part of AMericana.
It all revolves around which died the better, more noble death?  Rohrschach
died for what he believed in, and Supes died for a symbol more potent than
the S: $.

That would make a GREAT parody t-shirt.  A dripping $ in the superman 
diamond, with a logo on the back:

I $URVIVED DOOM$DAY:  THE "DEATH" OF $UPERMAN. 

-- 
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: Bravo to Mr. David on #401 of the Hulk!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:26:36 GMT

I just looked more closely at the cover...the Legal Department went a little 
nuts.  One of the "Leader"s is not the (tm)'ed one, but refers to Aggie.
     Dave (tm) Van Domelen
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From: hlow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Handel Low)
Subject: The New Frontier
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:05:51 EST


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From: stoodt@cis.umassd.edu (Michael Stoodt)
Subject: Re: Grimjack!
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:33:15 GMT

In <1992Nov20.141025.9951@panix.com> carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink) writes:

>  Can someone who's on CompuServe please check with Johny O' and 
>confirm this?

JO hasn't been saying anything definitive on Compu$erve about
Grimjack's fate, and he's had several opportunities lately.  He does
know what he'll write about Grimjack when given the opportunity (it
won't be the twins that were mentioned in the last First lettercol,
and it won't be Twilley in Hell (and it won't be undoing what I
thought to be the rushed death of Twilley)), but either he has no news
on when this will be done or he is unable to tell us at this time...
-- 
Michael A Stoodt  [MaS]      |        mumble mumble disclaimer mumble...
stoodt@cis.umassd.edu        | "Will the last person to leave the planet
Comp&InfoSci, UMassDartmouth |  please turn off the sun?" - Mike Resnick
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Alan Moore's "last Superman story"
Date: 22 Nov 1992 23:55:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Thanks to Andrew Solovoy for the clarifications-- as noted, I
was recapping the story from memory.  I did remembered how that
worked with Supergirl but was unclear in expressing it (as Larry
Niven once said, English grammar is not constructed to deal with
time travel).

By the way, the issue numbers on those issues are SUPERMAN #423
and ACTION #583. And I should have noted that the artist on
both issues was the great Curt Swan.  DC should reprint these
issues as a GN, but I suppose they won't since it might cause
confusion with their newer (and, from what I hear, much inferior)
"last Superman story."

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
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From: ss@cch.coventry.ac.uk (WeaponX)
Subject: Re: Wolverine #65: the best yet!
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:23:07 GMT

Well i havent got the comic yet but a friend has and he told me
they bury silverfox by the cabin. IF (big if) logan is there
and silverfox is not being buried wouldnt his heightened sense
of smell tell him that its someone else in the casket???
-- 
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"Two's Company Three's Kinky!
					S.Sidhu
JANET ss@uk.ac.coventry
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Jim Lee rips off Frank Miller??
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 07:32:13 EST

isaac@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder) writes:

> Lee has seemingly forsaken his much-imitated "little lines" style, and has
> opted for a style that's just like the one Frank Miller used on SIN CITY!
> The picture they have here is all shadows and black areas, and no lines,
> just like Miller has been doing.  The character shown is a typical Jim Lee
> ultra-macho Punisher-looking character, of course, but the style is so
> Miller it's amazing/pathetic.
> 
> What's it all mean, friends?  In a world where crazy styles seem to be major

Thus it has always been.  The difference is that now comic book artists 
and new and different and varying styles to copy from.

Namaste,
Elizabeth


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From: pjharris@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: Re: Marvel Masterpiece
Organization: Gallaudet University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:58:04 GMT

In article <1e8npbINNjpn@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) writes:
> Does anybody know the shipping for these cards.  The shipping date was supposed
> to be late Oct, what is going on here.  I also heard that there will not be
> any holo/prism cards in the box.  Does anybody know what kind of specialty
> cards will there be.
> 
> Thanks
> 


Suppose to ship today, Nov. 17th.  No info on prism/holo cards.


"This isn't video, this is the real world..."

PJH
From: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LNH: Re: Get rid of the Legion of Net Heroes.
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:51:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov16.165108.12251
Reply-To: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

"It was fun but now it's over, it was nice but now it's gone
why are you obsessed with fighting, stick to comics from now on."

That pretty much sums up how I feel about a.c.lnh. Those writing the stories
should keep doing it if they enjoy it, but they *are* off topic, and most
 who read rac.m (and have expressed an opinion in the straw vote) don't care
for the stories. You can add me to those against.

I'll still slip into my LNH persona if there is the need, ie I want to
poke fun at the USENET, or rac.m or the comic industry, but I don't expect
any sort of "continuity" to be important, and I'd be surprised if the post
goes over 30 lines.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
From: z_totahmc@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Wolverine #65: the best yet!
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:24:11 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Nov17.141854.28718@cc.umontreal.ca>, royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:
> Silverfox not dead? Hey, you got me there...
> 
> Still, I think that for SHIELD to 1) Hide her
>                                   2) Don't tell Wolvie
>  is fairly stupid and nonsense; also, it would make Wolverine #65 almost
> worthless and contribute to Marvel's Ever Revolving Door of Death.
> 
> Then again, Larry Hama or not, it IS Marvel.
> 
> Daniel Roy

What happned in Wolverine 65 I did not recieve it.
From: c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spider-Man
Date: 22 Nov 1992 05:09:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3f.berkeley.edu


  I also used to collect all the spider-man titles.  But I don't really
see one as being any better than the other consistently, so I buy whichever
comics look interesting too me.  I have also been doing this with the Batman
titles since I started buying some of those too.  Many of Marvel's comics
have seemed to be in a decline to me also, but this week I noticed that the
majority of the comics I bought this week I really enjoyed, and am actually
anticipating the next issue.  Lets see, I bought:
	Quasar, Warlock & the IW, Shadow of the Bat, X-men, X-factor, 
	Doom 2099, Hulk, Spider-Man, GL: Mosaic, Grendel: WC, and the
	Chroma Tick #4.
  Out of these, I really enjoyed, Quasar, X-Factor, Doom, Hulk (my first
issue!), Spider-Man, GL: Mosiac, Grendel, Batman, and the Tick.  That's
most of them.  And though these aren't all Marvel books, maybe possibly
this shows a general improvement of comic their books.

Mikel B.
-- 
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   "Is it in?"	 "That's my belly button, how do you like my tie?"
   "So he takes his bowling ball and throws it in the sink!"
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From: ulrike@gmd.de (Ulrike Bauer)
Subject: Re: Calvin & Hobbes
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:33:34 GMT

In <1992Nov20.154140.9022@tdb.uu.se> m92aka@tdb.uu.se (Andreas Kaehaeri) writes:


>Calvin & Hobbes GIF-pictures (or JPEG, or PICT, or TIFF, or PAINT):

>WHERE IS THE MAGIC FTP-SITE?


>eMail to: m92aka@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se

Please, could it be sent to this newsgroup, as I also am interested in these
pictures. Thanks. Ulrike

--
ulrike.bauer@gmd.de
Organization: Masters student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:43:02 -0500 
From: Anatole Wilson <aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Strange Things Afoot in Marvel about Supes

Does it strike anyone as ironic that Marvel seems to have more reverence
for Superman than DC does?


Anatole Wilson                  "If anyone objects to anything I say,
-----------------                I am prepared not only to retract it,
                                 But to deny under oath that I ever said it
                                 in the first place."
From: rm009b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Lestat de Lioncourt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Iron Man Movie?
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:49:18 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <By43z9.L4M@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:

>perry@bobcat.lmc.edu (James Braxton Perry, II) writes:

>>I have been reading Iron Man regularly for the past two years. I accept the 
>>death of Tony Stark (because they will bring him back as something else). 
>>Since Batman and Robocop did so well at the box office, wouldn't an Iron Man 
>>movie have a simmilar chance if the story line was done well enough.

>Well actually Tony Stark is coming back to life in about
>two or three issues.

>Jed

  It would be a great movie if they did one.  I heard about a year ago that
they were talking about making it, but I haven't heard anything since. Has
anyboby else?

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From: rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram)
Subject: Superman and Death
Organization: Communications Research Group
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:29:31 GMT

I haven't read Superman #75, but does Death come to collect Supes?
Also, in the picture of the funeral posed to a.b.p.m I'm sure I
see Dream in the crowd. Personally I think this is a bit out of
character, but do any other Endless attend?

			Rob.

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From: kens@css.itd.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Date: 18 Nov 1992 16:31:11 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
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Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

In article <14719.2b0a22a7@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> A lot of books got lost in the DC Implosion of the 70's. 
>One of the books I know of for sure is the original Firestorm
>series.  The story for the next issue was finished but only printed in 
>copies of an anthology books that was used only to secure
>the copywrite.  Sorry, don't know the name but there are only 
>a few copies out there.  I beleive it was made by xeroxing
>the stories and stapling them together, in house.

I've asked this before, but I'll try again:  does *anyone* out there have
a copy or photocopy of this thing?  Some of my favorite comics were caught
in the Implosion (most notably Firestorm and Sevret Society of Super
Villians).  I know that the stories were eventually resolved, but they
seemed as though they'd been just tacked on.  I'd love to see the
originals. 
-- 
Ken Small
kens@umich.edu
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
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From: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Hellblazer #61
Reply-To: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:12:35 GMT

actually, i was slightly unsatisfied with #61-it felt a 
bit compressed. maybe it was just my state of mind when i
read it, but this conclusion felt like he went through
each scene a bit too fast; i wonder if, spread out over
two issues, it would have been more powerful without
uneeded detail.
(oops) uneeded detail being added.
the portrayal of agony and ecstasy seemed a bit off- they
were far too hesitant. the 'er' and 'um' felt like we were
seeing arthur dent's demonic side. i had also had the 
impression that the two were more the servantsof *hell*     l
itself, and therefore outside the squabbling of satan, demons
and angels (fallen or pushed). the devil's destruction/incapacitation
of agony and ecstasy makes me wonder exactly where they stand.
then again, i've been uncertain of hells' heirarchy since                
morningstar abdicated, so it could just be me.
i'm off to read #61 again...
russ fischer
From: lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hulk #401 (some spoilers)
Date: 21 Nov 1992 00:03:03 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov20.202200.27499@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>I predict that it will turn out that Omnibus is not as benign
>a Leader as he pretends to be.  (You'll see that I'm right.
>You'll look back and marvel at my insight!)

We'll read #401 for the first time and read Omnibus' thought balloons
which technically belong to politicians and television evangelists.

>-----
>Dani Zweig
>dani@netcom.com
>
>  The surface of the strange, forbidden planet was roughly textured and green,
>  much like cottage cheese gets way after the date on the lid says it is all 
>  right to buy it.--Scott Jones

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
'Cats - Hell, I can't remember the score.  They just lost to Mizzou.  *sigh*
"I've got the motive which is money, and I've got the body which is DEAD."
	-- In the Heat of the Night
From: ce547@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kurt M. Wilcken)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Dirge for a Man of Steel
Date: 21 Nov 1992 04:26:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce547@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kurt M. Wilcken)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


     (to the tune of "Poor Jud is Daid" from Oklahoma)
  
  Poor Kal is Daid
  Poor Kal-El is daid
    Ye heroes hang your cowl'd heads down and cry
                                    (down and cry)
  He was the Man of Steel
  And our comic book Ideal
    Why did such a hero have to die?
                        (have to die)
  
  Poor Kal is daid
  Poor Kal-El is daid
    He's lookin' all so purty an' serene
                              (an' serene)
  For Truth he always stood
  Was the Champion of Good
    Whoever could'a done a thing so mean?
                           (thing so mean)

  Poor Kal is daid
  A candle lights his haid
    Ye fanboys don your sollemn bands of black
                                (bands of black)
  The Superest of Men
  We won't see his like again
    At least 'til they decide to bring him back
                                 (bring him back)


-- 
"All the World's A Stage and Everyone's a Critic"
                   --Captain Flux
ce547@cleveland.freenet.edu
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 02:52:07 GMT

In article <lgn91nINN4m1@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> khale@camilla.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) writes:
>
>Its interesting to compare this storyline to Jerry Siegel's 30 year old death
>of Superman story. Siegel's (imaginary, but then arent they all) story is
>incredibly dark and contains betrayal and tragedy. Its also very moving : it 
>can move one to tears decades after it was written and is so infnitely
>superior to the Doomsday storyline that its painful.
>
Ah yes, a classic in every sense of the word - I remember reading that issue
as one of several Silver Age DC comics my Dad was given by a friend of his
whose kids had 'outgrown' them. Now I see issues I remember on walls in 
comic shops selling for ridiculous prices.
A question - has Siegel's story been reprinted in any paperback form? I can't
afford hardback volumes, and I'd really like to read this again! Any info
would be much appreciated.

Mike
From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Elmo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Neil Gaiman news (from the Lincoln Park MOONDOG'S)
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:59:13 GMT
Organization: The Pentateuch
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalo.fnal.gov

> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
>>2)  THE TEMPEST will be drawn by Charles Vess, and will concentrate on
>>    the process of writing the play rather than in the play itself.

	Recent news from Neil:  
	Sandman #50 will be the long delayed fourth Distant Mirror,
"Ramadan", art by P. Craig Russell.  
	I suspect this means that 48 will be the usual double-sized storyline 
dramatic climax, and 49 will be the epilog/thematic climax to Brief Lives.  
Some shorts might sneak in front of 50, though, if BL runs short.
	Also, the next short story tpb will probably be called "Accounts
and Reflections" (although Neil said almost all the feedback he's gotten so
far on the name has been "it's boring".)
	Last rumor I heard, the Game of You tpb would be next, followed by
A&R.
	The January Vertigo signing in Houston is now rumored to be
Milligan, Fegredo, and someone else, but not Neil (dammitall).
-- 
"I've never said anything about his family but the warmest, kindest things."   
--Ross Perot, on Bush's family                                                 
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
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From: carlinra@macpost.vanderbilt.edu (Robert A. Carlin)
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Smart Structures Lab, Vanderbilt Univ.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:18:58 GMT

In article <By1rzE.6JB@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Walrus and April) wrote:
> 
> In article <1ejlndINN5bn@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:

> >	Yes, someone (Batman, probably) should find out where D-Day's from.
> 
>[...] or maybe by the Dominion during Invasion.  

Yeah, I can see it now.  Before Operation Triple Strike, the Dominion had
two
other opportunities to obliterate the Earth.  _Invasion_ was Strike One;
that
failed.  The Doomsday threat was/is Strike Two; we all know that's going to

fail, too, as Supes is going to be coming back.  Finally, we're left with 
Triple Strike.  They designed that one so that there'd be no way it would
fail.
Of course, they forgot the old batball adage: Three strikes and you're out!
:)

Rob

Rob Carlin                      |  "Nothing's so cold
carlinra@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu  |   As closing the heart when all we need
carlinra@macpost.vanderbilt.edu |   Is to free the soul
                                |   But we wouldn't be that brave, I know."
                                |     - "All I Want," by Toad the Wet
Sprocket