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From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: What is the Amiga 4000?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:10:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world,local

>
>  Ok what is the Amiga 4000 supposed to have?  And what is it's
>release date?

Who exactly are you asking this question of?

If it's anyone who REALLY KNOWS, for absolute surity, they won't and
couldn't say. 

Anyone else who says, DOESN'T KNOW, reagardless of claims.

So why do people ask this type of question?  Do you really think CBM would
say "it will be available in October."  Next thing you know their sales of
3000s and 2000 would instantaneously dry up.  We'll all know when CBM sends
out a press release.

-Joel
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: troy@bluemoon.rn.com (Troy Fridley)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon  Re: Amiga 4000
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 03:46:48 EDT

jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:

> In article <14posbINN47q@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> hans@castlerock.East.Sun.COM 
> >
> >	Can you give us some insights on the specs of this (Falcon) machine?
> >
> >
> 
> This is from French developer.  Now other developer said very FAST '040
> is possible for very cheap price in Atari Falcon!!  Everyone will find
> out very soon..  Falcon '030 will have A600 for competition but it
> can go TWICE faster than A3000!
> 
> Other news from England said Falcons might have 16 million colors too!
> 
> 
> >From: elendir@quasar.enst.fr (Vincent Habchi)
> Keywords: Specifications from Atari
> Message-ID: <2041@quasar.enst.fr>
> Organization: Telecom-Paris, France
> 
> Atari Falcon '030
> 
>  CPU : 68030 @ 16-33 MHz. (upgrade to 50 MHz)
> 
>  FPU optional (68882 @ 16-50 MHz).
> 
>  RAM : 1, 4 or 14 Mb, operating in page mode.
> 
>  (RAMcards: 512 Kb - 5 Mb)
> 
>  ROM : 512 Kb, plus 128 Ko in the cartridge port.
> 
>  DSP 56001 @ 32 MHz (?), 32 Kwords (96 Kb) of 0 wait state private RAM.
> 
>  DSP connector for modems, voice mail, direct-to-disk, JPEG/MPEG codecs, ...
> 
>  Expansion bus : 386 slot, DMA processor slot, optional processor socket.
> 
>  SVGA rez : 320x200, 640x480, 800x600 in 256 or 65536 colors amongst 262144.
>  (upgrade to 1200x900)
> 
>  External video sync for genlocks, 15 bit video overlay mode for video titlin
> 
>  Programmable overscan.
> 
>  Hardware scrolling and BLITTER coprocessors.
> 
>  10 independants, 16 bit digital audio channels, up to 50 kHz sampling rate.
> 
>  Stereo 16 bit DMA output through a 1-bit DAC, 80 times oversampling.
> 
>  Stereo 8 bit DMA input.
> 
>  RASCAL (TM) and SDMA sound coprocessors.
> 
>  SCSI-2 port with internal DMA.
> 
>  LAN, RS 232C, Video, bi-directionnal parallel port suitable for scanners.
> 
>  MIDI in and out, jack connectors for sound.
> 
>  2 joystick ports, 2 enhanced digital/analog controller ports.
> 
>  1.44 Mb floppy, optionnal IDE Hard-disk, transfer rate 1 Mb/sec.
> 
> 
>  MultiTOS (preemptive multitasking OS with memory protection, Unix system 
>  call compatible with IPC pipes/shared memory/process spawning) included
>  in ROM and floppy disk.  MultiTOS now allows easy porting of Unix
>  programs.
> 
>  Lastly retail price of $700-900.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


You do realize that this is just a Bad rummor started by some really 
stupid people don't you? I suggest that you go and look at what the parts 
alone will cost for what you just stated and then come back and say that 
Atari can build it for that price.
 
                        troy

  Does one actually need a brain to think?  Obviously Not!
 
 UUCP: Troy@Bluemoon.uucp

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: jeremym@ravel.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz)
Subject: Solid Info HERE about IVS Vector Board.
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:30:10 GMT

I got a letter from IVS yesterday about their upgrade policies
on the GRANDSLAM and TC Professional. They also included a very pretty
booklet with ALL the products they produce, along with the VECTOR
board. Here's the scoop on the Vector board:

Vector:
	Vector is a third generation processor accelerator card that offers
	superior performance and a suite of features
	not found on any other accelerator. Based on the
	68EC030, Vecror allows kickstart ROM to be mapped into
	local 32 bit RAM. Up to 32 MBytes of RAM can be added using
	industry standard 1Mx8 or 4Mx8 SIMMs. Vector
	includes IVS' super high performance Trumpcard Professional
	SCSI disk interface and has holes for mounting the hard drive
	right on the card. With a mouse controlled processor switch, 
    you can use either the 68000 or the 68EC030. In 68000 mode, 8 megs of RAM
	and the autobooting SCSI port are available to the system.

Above is a direct quote from the color pamphlet I got yesterday.
There was no upgrade info nor price info for us 
Trumpcard/TC Pro/Meta 4 owners included.  O-well. Looks like every board they 
make: clean, very pretty  - -not too much crap on the board. 
There's a square chip spot that is NOT filled in. I don't know why, 
and they don't say why. CoProc maybe??

Looks great.

-jeremym@brahms.udel.edu

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From: dej@qpoint.ocunix.on.ca (David Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  @$#^@$%# 2.04!
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:45:44 EST
Organization: Dejital Software

In article <mwm.1azt@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us> mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer) writes:
>Just out of curiosity, *are* there any "2.0-only" major applications
>yet? The closest I've seen are some applications (I wouldn't call any

Term
Maple V

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From: matija@amiga.physik.unizh.ch (Matija Milostnik)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.audio
Subject: Re: Audio CD to digital data?
Summary: Maestro card for direct cd recording
Keywords: Maestro, CD
Date: 24 Jul 92 10:43:33 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Organization: ICU - University of Zurich, Dept. of Comp. Sci.

In article <1992Jul22.123104.13905@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> et5j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Mario Giannella) writes:
>Are there any hardware/software packages to allow one to put an audio
>Compact Disc into a CD-ROM drive, and get a direct digital data file?
>(i.e. skipping the middle step of Digital CD to ANALOG and then digitizing
>the ANALOG sound).

A German company called Macro System sells a card called 'Maestro'. It is a
half length zorro II card and it fits in any A2000 or A3000.
This card can convert the raw CD or DAT data stream to the computer.

The software allows you to resample the data at the usual commercial speeds
and convert it to 8 bit code for use with the built in DACs. 
The company claims it can directly store the data on HD, BUT only if you use
their special HD-controller. Usually data is stored in memory.

I never had this card, so ...

Hope this helps.
Bye
  Matija
...........................................................................
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: @$#^@$%# 2.04!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:58:54 GMT

aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites) writes:
: I once tried suggesting that a 'good' developer would try to cover the bases
: with both 1.3 and 2.0.  Guess what the response was?  "Catch-up with the 
: *rest* of US!" <snicker> and "Why bother?"

2.0 offers far too many things to keep downward compatible and still
keep the program functional.  Take a peek at the RKM's, you'll see why
2.0's got so much more to offer.

Greg

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: @$#^@$%# 2.04!
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:15:52 GMT

smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon) writes:

>In my case, I still got a 500 with 1.3, and I've extensively used 2.0 on 
>a friend's 3000, but I'm still very wary about switching to 2.0 
>Besides the money, I really dont think a nonaccerlated 500 w/o a multisync
>is a good platform to run 2.0 on.  I'm  conforatable with 1.3, and except
>for a few programs (ie maple), I still can run everything...
>(yes, I understand that 2.0 is better.  But it is just too slow for
>types of activities that I do).

Basically, an unaccelerated 500 with a 1080 monitor is what I run 2.04 on.
I'll agree that 2.04 is pretty slow on some things ... I do like the better
memory management, though.  Now I'm looking for an inexpensive accelerator.
Any suggestions, netters?

>Until the Amigas are all released with the 2.0 ROMs for at least a year,
>software developers should release products for both systems.  Since many
{STUFF DELETED} 
>do so before the ware's availability.  Those that dont not need to
>upgrade will be happy.  Those that want the upgrade but not the new OS...
>well they're still stuck in the middle.  However, they are assured that
>for at least a year, all software will still be available to them, and
>maybe in that time they will adjust and want the new OS.

Makes sense.  Right now, I'd think that companies will have a hard time
selling stuff that only works under 2.0x.  Except for big apps that only
work well on stuff like 3000s.
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: @$#^@$%# 2.04!
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:48:06 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Just a note here:

OS/2 2.0 won't run on an XT or an AT

System 7 won't run on an original Mac or Mac 512

This isn't a flame, just trying to put it all in perspective.
From: LEEK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1000 2-meg Agnes Hacks???
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:34:42 GMT
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston

In article <oPwJoB1w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us>, toddo@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Todd
Oberly) says:
>
>Has anybody hacked a 1 or 2 meg Agnes chip into their A1000?  I *know*
>that it can't be that hard, basically it requires a "Megachip" type

I don't think you know what you are talking about.  The fat/fatter agnus
also replaces the multiplexing logics, generate system clocks and
require extra address lines to access the extra ram.  Basically, you'll
have to put a 48 plug to the existing agnus socket, a few wires to the
68000 socket, hack the kickstart daughter board and some how synchronize
the clock generation circuits inside that shield box.  If it were just
a MegAchip type of setup, I'll bet thousands of 1000 people would have
done it.   In comparison, MegAchip is plug & go.

>setup, but with an extra half meg on board and a different socket on the
>bottom to plug into the 1000's rather slender and shapely Agnes socket.

>Todd Oberly

K. C. Lee
Elec. Eng. Grad. Student
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 01:11:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Spook-Fodder: hero heroin tree shrub bush birth life death FBI CIA NSA

In <1992Jul25.203059.2636@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>That is VERY possible!  But C= spent so much money making CDTV 
>they took money away from A4000 project.  Even Kickstart 3.0/39.
>text shows AA chips only have double speed so C= MUST spend
>more money to design better chips.

>Also big RUMOR says A800 will come out many months later than
>Atari Falcon so Commodore will be in big rush like A1000 project.
>When C= use time and money better they will good coputer but C=
>managers are now WORST in industry.


TOO bad this all JUST rumor, at least until ATARI actually SHOWS
the falcon ON the store SHELFS!

believe ME, however, if atari FALCON is as nifty as all these RUMORS
say, it WILL be a great computer! 

but UNTIL then, i wish "jeff young" would QUIT trying to PUMP sunshine
up our SKIRTS!

%^) %^)


-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: prall968@Armstrong.EDU
Subject: @$#^@$%# 2.04!
Organization: Armstrong State College, Savannah, GA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:24:07 GMT

 Ok Ok Ok.. I have a gripe here... I am a loyal Amiga user, I have owned
an amiga since 1987 when I bout my friends 1000. Well I still have and use
that 1000. Since then I have rescued a couple more 1000s from a unduely 
death in the bottom of a dumpster.

 Well when I go around and try to ftp some GOOD software all I see is:
KS 2.0 required...

 I am a bit poor here and donb't have the scads of money lots of others do
NOR care to hack my poor machine to oblivion JUST to add 2.0 ROMS
and why should I when 1.3 works JUUUUUST fine for me.

So then why is all this stuff now out for 2.0.. Whatever happened to downward
compatibility?

Gene Prall  prall968@pirates.armstrong.edu
2.04 Bah Humbug....
From: "jeff ruck" <jeff.ruck@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: scsi tape media
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:08:41 EST
Reply-To: "jeff ruck" <jeff.ruck@channel1.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

-> using?  I talked to a tech support person at Archive/Viper and he
-> told me to use ONLY 3M tapes.  I believe him!!  The only tapes that
-> have held up are the 3Ms I have.  The Sony and Verbatums died.  So,
-> clean your heads and use 3M tapes.  Oh.  One other thing.  The tech
-> support guy

 Have you ever heard of CARLISLE breand of media?  I've heard good
things about them (better than SONY etc ...) and the ones I have work
like a charm.  I also know of one company who only uses CARLISLE media
to ship their products on.

  --Jeff
jeff.ruck@channel1.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: zxmgn01@mailserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Philipp Knirsch)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:41:28 GMT

In <24590@sophia.inria.fr> colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo) writes:

>On new amiga rumours:
>Keep in mind that there is a terrible psychological battle going out there
>between the atari falcon (which is still vaporware and that I bet won't be
>there before the new amiga models) and the new amigas. Commodore got burned
>once: they announced their first PC-clone with its price, and instantly atari
>announced the same kind of machine, whith of course a smaller price, put up
>hastily a demo machine that they showed regularaily on computer shows.


Sorry to dissagree you in that point, but the Falcon 030 of Atari is
NOT vaporware.
I have a good friend who knows some Atari-Developers here in Germany, and
they work on this machines RIGHT now!
The machine will be officially announced probably at the beginning of August and
to watch at the Atari-Messe in Duesseldorf from the 21-23 august.
I`ll be there and have a look at it. If it`s something good i`ll buy one.
But if the specification I got is what the machine really can do, there will
be no question :)

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From: Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Help on accelerating an A2000 rev 4.x
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 12:18:55 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

The VXL-30 seems to work fine with the Rev 4.xx motherboards.  I sold
some to customers I have.
From: DennyA@cup.portal.com (Denny Lee Atkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Re: @$#^@$%# 2.04!
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 19:34:32 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 	<AHANSFOR.92Jul24104956@graywacke.wpi.edu> 
 	<1992Jul24.153748.23488@hubcap.clemson.edu>
  <1992Jul28.030730.8467@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
  <28JUL199207552041@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>

The "Gosh, I really hate progress, especially things like 2.04"
discussion really belongs in .advocacy, not .hardware...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: ahansfor@graywacke.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford)
Subject: Re: @$#^@$%# 2.04!
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:49:56 GMT


Downwards compatibility??  Why?  Systems tend to migrate forward and
are held back by having to make things forward compatible. ( works
on 1.3 and above or 3.2 and above depending on your platform )  Even
then some things don't work.

An improvement on an operating system usually adds resources not
available before.  Sorry that the OS you use is out moded. Most other
people here are yelling for newer OS's and machines. Works under
1.3 is becoming less important, thankfully.

-- Andrew Hansford
   ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re:  Any chance we wills see an EC040 accel?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:50:44 GMT

As a matter of fact, there are a number of Mac accelerators running off
EC040s...

Thom
From: levi@galoob.cs.utk.edu (David Levi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: How does DCTV work ?????
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:32:56 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: levi@galoob.cs.utk.edu (David Levi)
NNTP-Posting-Host: galoob.cs.utk.edu

In article <1992Jul15.221632.14917@crash.cts.com>, billyh@pnet01.cts.com (Bill Huey) writes:
|> Me and a friend of mine were wondering how DCTV, the graphics display adaptor,
|> works ?
|>  
|> We have seen it effectively display 8 bits per pixel using the the Amiga's
|> high-res 4 bit plane mode in black and white. Um, say this is impossible isn't
|> it ???
|> 
|> 
|> Well, people in short this is magic and we are really annoyed about this piece
|> of hareware trickery.......we woul like an explaination......

DCTV intercepts the output from the amiga's RGB port and translates it into a
composite NTSC image.  The tricky part about how it works is how a 3 or 4-bit
image is translated into the composite image.  I read somewhere that the data
in the 3/4-bit image has information about wave-forms encoded in it.  Try
drawing a solid sphere of any color on a black background, and look at it's edges.  You don't get well defined edges, instead you get a fade from black to the
color of the sphere.  You also can't really see individual pixels.  I don't
completely understand how this works, but I think the 3/4-bit image contains info
about how the current intensities should be modified on the next pixel to the right of the current position.  Something like that.  I have'nt tried to figure
out details.
-- 
-Dave Levi     levi@cs.utk.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: frederik@ucs.orst.edu (Karl Frederick)
Subject: Search for AmigaEthernet Card
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:31:09 GMT

	I use an Amiga 2000 GVP series II 33Mhz 030 combo 9M
ram 160M HD w/ VideoToaster engaged.  We now have access to
a LAN. My modem days are joyfully over.  I need some
recommendations for an Ethernet card.  Do Ethernet packages come
with Amiga based software, or is this another hurdle?
	I live 10 minutes away from Supra Corporation in Albany.
If they supply a product, that would be great.  
	Please send replies directly, as I sometimes miss the activity
of this newsgroup.

=========================================
Karl Frederick
Broadcast Engineering  OSU
Email:  frederik@ucs.orst.edu
=========================================
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From: sidor@pitt.edu (George Sidor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.tech,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Amiga Power Supply
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:24:31 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: sidor@unix.cis.pitt.edu

Hi,

	I'm looking to possibly upgrade my power supply for my Amiga 500.
I've seen the ads for the BigFoot power supply for around $100.00.  
I happen to have a used PC power supply that is rated I think at 150 Watts.
If I simply connect the proper voltages to the proper pins on the 
power connector to the computer, will this work with a PC supply?  Or
does the Amiga supply have some sort of special signal which the PC
supply doesn't have?  I'd appreciate any knowledgable responses since
I don't want to have to spend $100.00 if I don't have to.  Please
respond to me with E-mail and I'll post a summary of the responses
I get.  Thanks!

sidor+@pitt.edu					George
sidor@neurocog.lrdc.pitt.edu