HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: The Coherent Philosophy? (was Re: uucp question)
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:59:15 GMT
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Kenji Rikitake (kenji@tom.astem.or.jp) wrote:
: Udo Munk (udo@umunk.GUN.de) wrote:
: : I've take a look at Taylor 1.03. But I'm not using it, because I can't
: : get it running with my current system files for MWC's uucp (the dialer
: : is the problem). If you port it to Coherent I would suggest to change
: : it, so that it does work with all the system files from MWC's uucp.
: : I don't like to rewrite all this files, my system is connectet to
: : many other systems.
: 
: Providing converter is sufficient, isn't it?
: 
: Taylor UUCP is just another UUCP variant, so modifying it just for Coherent
: will lose its integrity.

Sorry Kenji, but no. Taylor comes configurable for three different types
of system files: Taylor, HDB and SV.2. The later one is compatible with
COHERENT's uucp system files, but the dialer doesn't work. It's only
neccessary to get the dialer running with the SV.2 configuration, that's all.
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From: kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: The Coherent Philosophy? (was Re: uucp question)
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:06:30 GMT
Reply-To: kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Udo Munk (udo@umunk.GUN.de) wrote:
: I've take a look at Taylor 1.03. But I'm not using it, because I can't
: get it running with my current system files for MWC's uucp (the dialer
: is the problem). If you port it to Coherent I would suggest to change
: it, so that it does work with all the system files from MWC's uucp.
: I don't like to rewrite all this files, my system is connectet to
: many other systems.

Providing converter is sufficient, isn't it?

Taylor UUCP is just another UUCP variant, so modifying it just for Coherent
will lose its integrity.

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Kenji Rikitake, cyberspace samurai
<kenji@tom.astem.or.jp> <kenji@rd.macrofield.or.jp> <...!uunet!reseau!kenji>
From: root@disco.rgm.com (System Administrator)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: backing up with doscopy?
Date: 7 Nov 92 21:45:31 GMT
Organization: robert willis

I remember awhile ago hearing about backing up using a pipe from 
cpio to doscp, but i don't remember how it was done, would someone 
please explain it again?

thanxs
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: mline@eng.umd.edu (Michael Line)
Subject: Stand alone assembler programs, graphics programming
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 01:05:34 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Followup-To: mline@eng.umd.edu
Distribution: USA

	How do you return control to the coherent OS from a stand alone
assembly program? (ver 4.0 386).

	In general, how do make a system call from assembler?

	Also, I was wondering about programming my SVGA in graphics
mode. Is there a segment descriptor which is accessable by application
programs can use to access the video ram? Is there a reference book 
containing all this info?

					Thanks, Mike -------------
From: kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: The Coherent Philosophy? (was Re: uucp question)
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:51:55 GMT
Reply-To: kenji@tom.astem.or.jp (Kenji Rikitake)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Udo Munk (udo@umunk.GUN.de) wrote:
: Sorry Kenji, but no. Taylor comes configurable for three different types
: of system files: Taylor, HDB and SV.2. The later one is compatible with
: COHERENT's uucp system files, but the dialer doesn't work. It's only
: neccessary to get the dialer running with the SV.2 configuration, that's all.

Now I got the reason. So the dialer is the problem. Hmmmm.

I'd rather, however, install Taylor UUCP with its own (Taylor) configuration,
because it's something absolutely new.

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From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: DBMS package
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:55:29 GMT

From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
>
>Does anyone know of good dbms packages (multiple users) for Coherent?
>
>t.
>
There is one.  (How good it is, I don't know.)  Mark Williams lists it on
their list of ported software.  I'll check it and get back to you.  (Hmm... If
we set up a uucp mail link between here and CyberSquid, I could just mail the
"news" file to you...)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: setuid problems
From: ekeller@aerie.CalStateLA.EDU (eddy keller)
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:15:43 PST
Reply-To: ekeller@calstatela.edu
Followup-To: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Organization: ATS - CalState Los Angeles
Keywords: setuid


I have some programs that have the suid bit set and 
ownership set to a particular user (not root).  When
these programs get executed the ownership changes to
user which has just run them (euid).  Is this a bug
or is there something I need to define in the kernel?


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eddy keller                                  (ekeller@calstatela.edu)
Phone: (213) 343-2717                  California State University, Los Angeles
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: lost packets
From: root@duncan (David John Murdoch at duncan)
Organization: Duncan Computer Centre and Home Brewery
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:45:34 GMT
Reply-To: root@duncan.UUCP (David John Murdoch at duncan)

In article <1992Nov6.234404.9822@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> jboggs@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs) writes:
>
>Has anyone solved the lost packets problem with calling mwcbbs using
>a 9600 baud modem?  I've read references to uusecure, but I'm using
>3.2.1, and it looks like uusecure is for 4.0.  Any suggestions?
>
>-John D. Boggs     john-boggs@uiowa.edu
>                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                   |
>                   |--->soon to be     jdb@erato.iowa-city.ia.us
>
uusecure is for 4.0 but the latest update does not solve the
lost packets problem and currently it's leaving around four
temporary files in my spool directory daily. I mailed MWC about
this 25 Oct but they have not replied yet!

Cheers,

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 __________________________________________________________________________
 David Murdoch   *  djm@duncan.alt.ns.ca  *   Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada  
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: dmake, gmake, which?
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:45:01 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Nov10.222935.21256@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> buchanan@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (BUCHANAN TIMOTHY E) writes:
>What advantages do dmake and gmake offer over the stock make which comes
>with Coho? Of these two, which do people prefer?

GNU make is fairly important for compiling GNU sources as many of the
makefiles use certain eccentricities that it supports.  Dmake will often work,
but sometimes the makefile needs a little editing to work with Coherent make.

Interestingly enough, the software engineers at MWC have found that GNU make
had some problems with the makefiles for the OS and libraries for Coh 4.0.

Usually, I use Coherent make first, and if it doesn't work I use GNU make.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: gerald@CSOFT.UUCP (Gerald Abshez)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: 4.0 suggestions
Date: 2 Nov 92 08:31:58 GMT
Reply-To: gerald@csoft.UUCP (Gerald Abshez)
Organization: CSOFT

In article <6eV4sB7w165w@gorilla.nbn.com> holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes:
>So after installing Coherent 4.0, I have a few suggestions:
>
>1)  Let us have a way to get around the mandatory password review
>by Coherent.  Coherent will not let the system administrator assign
>a password that has been deemed "too easy to break".  However,
>one can assign *no* password!  Just let the system administrator 
>(or the user for that matter) decide.  (If someone knows of a hack 
>to get around this, please let me know.)

NO!!! NO!!! NO!!! (Enough emphasis, huh? :-)
There are so many security flaws in COH, it's no joke. This is one
thing that they got *right*. If you allow passwords that are on all
cracker's top ten lists, then why even bother with them at all?
(I think this is the rationale behind the scheme: either you want
good security, and thus wanta good choice of passwords, or you don't
care about security, in which case it doesn't matter.)

In a related vein, does anyone know if COPS or CRACK has made it
over to the COH side? How about CRASHME? 

>2)  Coherent's problem with sitenames over 7 characters.

Well, it's really UUCICO's problem, but it is annoying. I thought
Ver 4 was supposed to solve this??

>3)  The -x debug levels for uucico do not seem to give 
>enough of the right data.  (I have not gotten to trying the
>Taylor UUCP package...Does it have a different uucico?)
>It seems like the debug levels are the same from -x3 to -x9!

Well, I'm not too sure about 4.0, as I've only briefly played
with it, but what exactly isn't it telling you? Each level
adds only one or two pieces of info; some of it only seems
useful post connect, but that seems resonable.

BTW, Taylor UUCP is a complete package. It comes with _everything_
you need, and is a pretty smart package. I've played with it
a little. If you need something more then the stock uucp that the
system comes with, it seems to fit the bill every time.
From: UUXQT.V4.0.1@UUNET.UU.NET
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: UUXQT remote execution status
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:11:35 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

Command "rmail addison " failed.
	Status -256 (0xFF00)
Reason: Exit status not zero
From: shendrix@PCS.CNU.EDU ("", Shannon Hendrix)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Are we dead??
Date: 14 Nov 92 05:12:44 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>


	A nice flat-file database would be nice.

	A package to network with DOS bbs systems like WWIV, Celerity,
FIDO, etc. would be nice.

	QuickMail packet support for a program like minicom or xcomm.

	Bimodem protocol for Coherent.

	A sound card device driver and associated utils.

	A backup program (better than tar, dump, cpio) for the tape
drives (when that is supported).

	Some nice games.  Though that is better done as a port sometimes.

	Barring sound card support, how about some programs for a DAC on
the parallel port (like the one ModPlay uses on DOS machines).  DACs are
easy to make for a parallel, about $5, or around $10-15 for a stereo DAC
on the parallel port.

	There are some ideasy{~v{.t(



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Christopher Newport University |---------------------
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From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Baud rates
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:12:18 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> Does Coherent 4.0 support locked com port rates of 19200?
>
> Dave
>
If you mean enabling ports at 19200 or setting a default baud rate of 19200,
then yes, we support it.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: buchanan@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (BUCHANAN TIMOTHY E)
Subject: cc in 386 uses ram?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:27:37 GMT


Does the cc command in C386 use /ram for its temp files, or must this be set
somehow as with C286? tx,
Timothy.
From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: gcc schedule
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:00:15 GMT
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Distribution: comp
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA

Could someone from MWC please give the newsgroup an estimate for the
availablility of gcc for Coherent 4.x?
From: lou@fullfeed.fullfeed.com (Lou Sortman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: tin fix
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:57:33 GMT
Organization: FullFeed: Public Access Usenet/E-mail at +1 608 246 2701 guest

In article <9211065043@kwcom.in-berlin.de> root@kwcom.in-berlin.de (Olaf Matthaei) writes:
>H.C. Pulley (hcp@csx.cciw.ca) wrote:
>: There is a problem when running tin.  The problem is that it creates files and
>: directories that are owned by root.
>: This problem may be due to a bug in the mkdir() system call under Coherent 4.0.

So why doesn't somebody fix the broken system call?

Are you listening, MWC?
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: memory protection ?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 22:27:43 GMT

K.Kanev (FHCAA83@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be) wrote:
: I can make my system crash (panic) with a program that allocates
: a *very* large array. Is this a bug or is there a problem with
: my installation ?
: (Is Coherent using demand paging as mentioned in the article in Byte
: of August ?)

COHERENT 4.0 doesn't use demand paging. But it should not be possible to
crash the system by allocating to much memory. The process should be
terminated with an error message "out of memory".
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From: root@kwcom.in-berlin.de (Olaf Matthaei)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: tin fix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Communication KWH Germany,KW  
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 06:32:45 -1

H.C. Pulley (hcp@csx.cciw.ca) wrote:
: There is a problem when running tin.  The problem is that it creates files and
: directories that are owned by root.
: 
: This problem may be due to a bug in the mkdir() system call under Coherent 4.0.
: 
: There is a simple fix.  Define DONT_HAVE_MKDIR and recompile.  You can add the
: lines:
: 
: #ifdef COHERENT
: #define DONT_HAVE_MKDIR
: #endif
: 
: to config.h.
: 

Oh, this hack woks fine on my COH 4.0.1 mashine, but on first start
of tin, ~/.newsrc are missing. So i make a ~/.newsrc with tass and
then start tin.


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From: landstry@miki.toppoint.de (Michael Schack)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: News
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:56:52 GMT
Organization: self-organization

system@micromed.com (Duane Davis) writes:
> Can anyone recomend a news system that'll install under Coherent 4.0
> without me pulling my hair out trying to get it working?

I`m definitely interested, too! I have nn but can't install it
correctly. BTW: Does a manual which explains all steps of
installing a newssystem (+elm) excist? By now I`m running
a dos program for this  :( . It`s called waffle.
bye,
micha...
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From: a10@server.uwindsor.ca (FUERST.D                 )
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Installing Coherent 4.0.1A, and at wit's end...
Date: 7 Nov 1992 03:03:49 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In article <1992Nov6.050630.20458@netcom.com> whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon) writes:
>>
>>Subliminal advertising IS illegal.  The periodic 'buy' messages from
>>Mark Williams Company concerns me.  If this was taken to court, could
>>some-one sue MWC?
>
>I would think that the very fact that they _tell_ you about the stupid thing
>in the documentation would ameliorate the situation.  I do suppose that one

I'd be suprised if subliminal advertising is actually illegal.  The fact is,
subliminal control of behavior is pure nonsense.  If you want someone to do
something, be it buy Cohware, quit smoking, stick a zucchini (sic?) up their
nose, it's far more effective to just TELL them to do so.  Ditto for backwards
masking.

                                                        Darren


Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Are we dead??
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:45:52 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Nov12.192109.20633@bnr.ca> faurote@crchh484.BNR.CA (Joe Faurote) writes:
>Yeah, I was kind of wondering that one as well.  I just recently got a clone
>and Coherent 4.0.1, and was pretty excited about it when I got it.  Now I
>see that Linux seems to be stealing the show, especially since it would seem
>they have been able to successfully implement X windows on that operating
>system and Linux is available from the Free Software Foundation.  I was
>wondering if anyone on this group has had experience with Linux and could
>tell other people using Coherent what the pluses and minuses of both OS's
>might be?  I don't plan on crossing over, but I would be curious to hear
>about it.  But for just under $100, I really think that Coherent should
>be the OS of choice - I would just like to hear a little more chatter
>out there!

Linux is targeted towards people who like to tinker with OS sources.  It is
still evolving, and patches are posted at frequent intervals.  A lot of new
features are appearing for Linux, and it is probably best to have FTP access
if you want to keep up with the changes.  Some of the most recent patches
seem to have caused problems with some machines.

Coherent is targeted towards people who want an inexpensive UNIX clone that
is ready to go.  It has binary compatibility with other SVR3.2 systems.
Sockets and TCP/IP are being worked on, and X11 will come in time.  There
are less people working on Coherent than on Linux, but it is a centralized
development environment that uses proper software QA practices.

One thing to note here is that a lot of recent high speed, low cost 486
systems seem to have various problems running multitasking operating
systems.  This will change as the clone industry shakes out.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:04:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: What?!? Absolutely none!


My apologies for the wasted bandwidth--but I'm not at all sure I'm
getting out. If I am, would ONE kind person please let me know?

Thanks!
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From: A.M.Zanker@newcastle.ac.uk (A.M. Zanker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: TOP for Coh 4.0
Date: 6 Nov 92 11:27:53 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU

Is there a version of the "top" program available for Coh 4.0?

This is the program that gives a continuous display of the top
10 (or so) processes on the system.

Thanks in advance,

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Department of Mathematics and Statistics |
University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK    |
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From: a10@server.uwindsor.ca (FUERST.D                 )
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Pascal and Coherent
Date: 13 Nov 1992 04:29:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In article <1992Nov9.175859.11547@netcom.com> whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon) writes:
>>: Can a Pascal compiilier be purchased for Coherent, and what type of price
>>: would we be talking?
>I don't specifically recall Pascal, but a couple of years back, Dr. Dobbs ran
>several articles in which mini-language interpreters were built, mostly on the
>same framework.  I don't think it would be a great stretch to modify one of
>those, perhaps the mini-C, to interpret Pascal, as I recall the code being
>pretty much platform-independent.  If anyone's interested, I will go look up
>the exact references.
>Cheers,
>Bill Whedon  whedon@netcom.com

The book " Writing Compilers and Interpreters" (Wiley, 1991) by Ronald Mak
presents C source code (and theory behind) a working Pascal interpreter and
compiler.  You might be able to port this to Coh (or, better still, make it
a class project and get the students to do all of the work!)

                                                Darren
From: vax@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vax)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Help needed installingelm
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:50:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <921101158@mkrbram.os.open.de> you write:
>dfilip@colorne.colornet.com () writes:
>: Help ! Last night I downloaded elm from MWCBBS, and am having problems building
>: it.
>: 	utils: bad directory
>: 
>: And these directories do not exist.
>  -----------------------------------
>
>This is your problem. It's not a elm-problem, it's a unzip-problem.
>Unzip doesn't create subdirectorys, needed for elm.
>
I posted a new version of Unzip to raven.alaska.edu that works fine.
To my knowledge, it creates directories.  I think it's unzip51, but
don't quote me.  Look in sources32 directory.  Hey, I just port the things,
I'm not perfect.

I wonder why jobs control must be in the TTY driver, that seems so klugey.
But then again, doesn't everything about Unix seems klugey till you try
to reinvent it?

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