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From: bex@acpub.duke.edu (becky)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Self-Def Courses more Harm than Good?
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:22:45 GMT
Distribution: na


	     I see a theme in this discourse on Self defense which is inaccurate.  THere
seems to be a sense that women get overconfident after they take a short course
in self defense.  This is not true at all.  Most women are extremely skeptical
that they can do anything to defend themselves at all and the fact that they 
are attending a seminar is a mark of courage.  During a short or long 
course women become suprised by their own strength and are encouraged as they 
should be. But believe me women who have been taught their whole lives that they
are physically inferior beings do not overestimate themselves after 4 short
hours.  If anything they are more concerned than they were before because 
they have forced themselves to face the fact that they may have to defend
themselves at any moment.  Instead of being discouraged women need to be 
encouraged to defend themselves and one way to do this is to tell them that 
they really can learn self defense. No it doesn't take a long time to learn the
physical skills but it might take a long time to get the confidence to
use them.                 Becky
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From: plp1@Ra.MsState.Edu (pat parker)
Subject: judo/jujitsu/aikijitsu in colorado
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:47:19 GMT


a couple of months ago someone posted an announcement of a new university
martial arts club in colorado.  It was teaching (i think) judo,
jujitsu, aikido, atemi-jitsu, etc...

does anyone have info on this club?

pat
From: sjoe@spike.Eng.Sun.COM (Shirley Joe)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,sun.junk,sun.rec
Subject: *** MARTIAL ARTS DEMO -- SANTA CLARA ***
Followup-To: poster
Date: 7 Nov 1992 01:36:00 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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     ***    MARTIAL ARTS DEMO    ***

	       OPEN HOUSE

	Tuesday November 10, 1992
		7:30 PM

    	** SPECTACULAR **
	    Board Breaking
	    Weapons
	    Chinese Boxing
	    Self-Defense Techniques
	    Multiple Attack Techniques
	    Katas
	    Flying Kicks


	For more information call:

	    New World Kung-Fu/Karate
	    1470 Halford Ave
	    Santa Clara, CA

	    (behind Burger King near 
	     El Camino and Lawrence Expr.)

	    (408)249-4440
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From: khc2674@summa.tamu.edu (Bruce as my Shepherd)
Subject: re: Time for belts/knife techniques
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:40:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.133613.21220@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil writes...
>Kuo Hau Chang tells a second hand story:
>>A coworker of his had told him he was a Tae Kwon Do Instructor,
>>to which this
>>guy responded "ahh, Korean ballet" 
>>The TKD BB did not take this well.
> 
>I resemble that remark!

	I take it you look quite odd. 8)
> 
>>He asked the fellow to attack him with a knife so as to demonstrate
>>his badassedness to 
> 
>Your slant is showing here, tssk tssk.

	I respect all arts, especially those who do not judge others, a crime
	of which I am at times guilty.

BTW. I love Hung Gar. I am learning a version of the Tiger/Crane Form.

Kuo Hau Chang  :)               Praying for Mantis                (:
Texas A&M      :)   7-star,8-step,Taiji,Tantui,Lu-Han,Flat Plate  (:
From: scsd1055@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Test...please ignore
Date: 9 Nov 92 04:41:26 GMT
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

Test...sorry
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Date: 8 Nov 1992 21:27:19 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
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In article <1992Nov8.140252.28341@ms.uky.edu> cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:
>I'd like to know what the easiest martial arts are.

In terms of lowest ratio of physical exertion to fighting effectiveness, I'd
have to say I Ch'uan takes the prize.

In some of the more advanced I Ch'uan training exercises, you actually move.


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From: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 10th Dan
Date: 7 Nov 1992 23:04:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau)
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In a previous article, mark@onyx.kiwi.gen.nz (Mark Goldie) says:

>I have been told that the rank of 10th dan is not held by anyone in the
>world and has not been for 100's of years,

Maybe in your style of m.a., but there are 10th dans out there in
plenty of styles.  Whether they're legit or not is another issue.
Many of the styles out there are less than a century old, and the
founders as far as I know usually hold the automatic rank of 10th dan.
Of course the ranking system as we know it is a fairly recent 
innovation.  Before that, there was the Master, then Number One
Student, Number Two Student, etc.

> Mark (Only Sankyu but I'm getting there)

Mark, create your own style and jump automatically to 10th dan! :)

  -- Gil
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From: winney@shell.portal.com (Randy A Winney)
Subject: Re: Aikido Books
Organization: Portal Communications Company
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:13:43 GMT

umande91@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Benjamin Robert Anderson) writes:
: 
: 	Greetings from the Great White North!
: 
:    I was wondering if there are any good or recomended books on Aikido that
: anyone has read?  I know next to nothing about it, and am interested in
: every aspect of it.  There is an Aikido school here, but I have been
: told it isn't very good, so I haven't gone there for info. 
: Can anyone give me a hand?
: 
I have found "The New Living Aikido Complete" by Yamada Sensei to be
very helpful. It has great photographs of most of the basic techniques
along with clear explanations. I ordered it from Aikido Today magazine
for $24.

winney@dal.mobil.com
From: dks@acpub.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Time required to attain Black Belt
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:19:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.6722
Reply-To: dks@acpub.duke.edu


	At the tae kwon do school where I study (in Connecticut), tests
are given four times per year, on average (~3 months in between). I 
earned first-degree black in about 3 yrs 9 mos, having missed two tests, 
but passing the other ten.  I had some advantages on my side:  a good 
memory (helps with forms, of course), the fact that some of my friends 
were classmates (practice together outside of class, especially valuable 
in the first year), and my family didn't go away on vacation during the 
summer (many students missed the entire summer, and were not able to 
take the test that was offered in mid-September).
							-Abdiel
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: Badass Karate
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:43:04 GMT
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In article <1992Nov4.215421.8721@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs922096@ariel.yorku.ca (JOSE J. MONTANO) writes:
>
>     Each style was profiled, Karate being lumped together as one style.  Also,
>certain individuals (2 Americans, a Brit and a couple of Japanese) were profiled.
>The film followed each man's training methods, style, etc.  
>     ANYWAY......the Karate stylists were clearly dominant.  The representatives
>from China did pretty well, considering Kung-Fu has always had a bad rap as being
>useless in competition vs. other arts.  The Thai boxers did as expected--they 
>
>For the record, I study WTF TKD.
>
>
>|)  Joe
>  
Perhaps you haven't seen any real Chinese martial artists, other
than those from movies. Come to challenge my master or ask your
master to challenge my master, and count how long before you are
on the ground.
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Old fogey fighters
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:02 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Distribution: world
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Funny you should mention boxing.  A few years ago, there was a 
newspaper article about "Jersey" Joe Walcott (heavyweight champ
from back when the crust of the earth was still cooling).  Then 
well into his 70s, he was still working at his second career; 
he was, and maybe still is, sheriff of some urbanized county in NJ. 

Anyway, this was in the paper because a couple of kids whom he was
attempting to arrest decided to see if there was still some juice in 
the old gentleman.  One of them produced a handgun. They both ended 
up in custody -- the one with the gun after a short nap.

Of course, your boxing coach did mention that "any fighters *who last 
that long* [emphasis mine] are pretty much invincible."  I don't want
to resurrect the hard vs. soft flame war with the ashes still so hot,
but I don't know as I'd want to spent the next four decades practicing
a style that involved getting smacked in the head so often.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: westreic@skye.oc.nps.navy.mil (Eric Westreich)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Iron Palm Training
Keywords: Iron Palm, Conditioning
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:54:18 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

In article <1992Nov9.162255.21988@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> rob@austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>If anyone has any information on Iron Palm Training ie back issues
>of magazines, books, seminars, or legitimate instructors in the USA
>please post the information in a followup article.
>
>Thanks

Call Larry Sanders, author of an Iron Palm Book, who is an instructor
in Austin, Texas: (512) 459-4402.


-- 

-Eric Westreich
 westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil
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From: chan@scf41.loral.com (Dennis P. Chan)
Subject: 2 California Ninjutsu Seminars
Keywords: Ninjutsu
Organization: Loral Space & Range Systems
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:08:08 GMT


	San Diego Ten Chi Jin Dojo 

presents the first of a series of seminars on
Ninpo Taijutsu Shinden (heart-to-heart transmission of 
the Ninpo tradition) featuring Shihan Bill Atkins


Date:	Saturday, November 14 and
	Sunday, November 15, 1992

Time:	10:00am to 5:00pm each day

Registration:
        $50.00 for both days
        $35.00 any single day


This seminar is open to all, regardless of experience.  
Classes are conducted in a relaxed atmosphere, and comfortable 
clothing (sweats, t-shirts) is recommended.

For more information, please call:

	(619) 589 - 9057
	(619) 450 - 9799



------------------------------------------------------------------

	Warriorship Weekend with Jack Hoban

	Saturday & Sunday: November 21, 22, 1992

Day 1 (12:00 - 5:00pm)
The theme of Day 1 will be the Life Value and how it relates
to the vocation of Warriorship.

Discussions:
*Activating the life value
*Maintaining a self preservation/other protecting balance
*Reducing conflict between cultures by promoting respect for
 human equality

Physical Training Exercises:
*Godai and San Shin no Kata (movement exercises that integrate 
 the body, mind and spirit)
*Kihon Happo (basic self protection fight scenarios)


Day 2 (10:00 - 2:00pm)
The theme of Day 2 will be our annual "Year in Review"

Discussions:
* Health/Diet
* Junan Taiso (flexibility)
* Body Integration
* Tai Sabaki (movement)
* Ukemi (injury prevention)
* Walking

Physical Training Exercises:
* Historical Waza (fight training forms) from the Gyokko Ryu, 
  Togakure Ryu, Shinden Fudo Ryu, etc.
* Henka (variations)
* Weapons (3 foot stick, knife, short chain)


Jack Hoban is Shidoshi Senior Instructor under Bujinkan Grand
Master Masaaki Hatsumi in Japan.  He is a former US Marine Corps
Captain and author of three books on Ninjutsu and Warriorship.

Cost:  
	$75.00 for both days (at the door)
	$40.00 per day (at the door)

Participants may pre-register and receive a discount by mailing a
check for $70.00 to:

	WIN
	P.O. Box 30338
	Stockton, CA 95213-0338

Note: Checks must be received by November 14, 1992

Place:
	South Campus Gym
	at the University of the Pacific
	Stockton California
	
Directions:
I-5 to Stockton California, 
Exit on Alpine
Head East past Pershing Ave. but before Pacific Ave.
On right side of street


Dennis

chan@scf54.scf.loral.com
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:19:32 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Nov4.213210.11904@alw.nih.gov> don@helix.nih.gov (donald seto) writes:
>>I keep hearing about this ancient master who sends all the young
>>hotshots flying.  But all of the folks I know who are in their
>>seventies are well past being able to compete successfully
 
>>So, what's the story here?  Who among us has actually fought
>>someone 70 or older and lost?  Second hand "experience" doesn't
>>count.  If this actually happened to you, how old were you at the
>>time, what sort of condition were you in, and what was your
>>level of experience?
>
>Does keiko count?  miyahara sensei (kendo) is 70 plus.  he beats
>at least sandan and below regularly in class.

   Isn't he great.  I really enjoy practicing with him.  He
   makes it look so effortless.  Their are many people in 
   their 70's who can whomp the crud out of younger kendo
   players.  

   Nakakura sensei (9th dan) does the same thing with 8th
   dans in their 60's.  It is really impressive when you consider
   that he is 83 and that the 7 and 8 dan can do the same with 
   4 and 5 dan players.  It is very eye opening to see what is
   really possible by someone with real ability and experience.

   One reason you don't see it in Karate as much
   is that the 70 year olds can't do kumite everyday and not
   sustain some injury.  Karate is hard on the body during
   kumite.  Instructors of this level could probably floor 
   lower ranks with one or two techniques everyday but that
   kind of defeats the purpose of free practice.  The student
   has to get a chance to hit.  Recieving in kendo is easy
   due to the bogu (armor).

-- 
Robert Stroud       roberts@usa.wv.tek.com
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
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From: Gordon.Wormser@launchpad.unc.edu (Gordon Wormser)
Subject: Short review of Van Damme Movies
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:40:17 GMT


Can anyone provide me with short critiques of Van Damme's movies?  Thanks. 

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From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Jujitsu
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:01:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13899
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Nov8.191148.8245@bradford.ac.uk> D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk (DG LEGROS) writes:
>I practice Ronin Ryu Ju-Jutsu, which is a variant of Samurai Ju-Jutsu and I can wholeheartedly recommend the
            ^^^^^^^^^                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    It is my belief and observation that the two silly naming 
    conventions used above are pure non-sense.  Why do Americans
    (and now I see the English) like to hang romatic and
    historical terminology on asian MA?

    I quess somebody somewhere is having a good laugh at all
    the people he convinced to used his made up name MA
    system.  It is too bad as most students want to learn.
    They just don't have a chance to get correct information
    about something basically foreign.


-- 
Robert Stroud       roberts@usa.wv.tek.com
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
From: gene@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 10th Dan
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:31:53 GMT
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics

In Chinese systems there are no belts, dans or whatever and "the rank of a 
master is measured by the length of his life". In Japanese styles the highest
dan is automatically held by Buddha.
That's what I was taught. :)
	Have fun!
______________________________________________________________________________
 Eugene  N.  Tyurin  <+>                          gene@max.physics.sunysb.edu
 Physics Department  <+>  Two wrongs do not make it right, but three lefts do.
 SUNY @ Stony Brook  <+>                              W. Siegel (unpublished)
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:59:43 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Nov05.143044.1057@srg.srg.af.mil> schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
>	Soft stylists are always trying to find the path of least resistance in
>their own bodies... The goal is efficiency, within the context of
>moving naturally - not necessarily in geometric ideas like "shortest distance
>between your fist and the target is a straight line."
...
>	By the way, does what I say make sense to the other internal stylists
>out there? I keep throwing this stuff out to the net so that people can 
>tell me if it sounds reasonable to them (seems reasonable to me).

Sounds right to me. I would amend your explanation with the caveat
that 'moving naturally' isn't always going to mean 'moving the
way you would normally move,' especially for a beginner. My practice
in Aikido, T'ai Chi and Pa Kua suggest to me that 'moving naturally'
may often involve some considerable amount of training in
counterintuitive movements designed to overcome habits of tension
and inefficiency. Sometimes that training can become quite
uncomfortable.


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From: kenfield@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:55:05 PDT

In article <721003993snx@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz>, richard@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz (Richard Parry) writes:
>  Sumo is pretty much brute strength.  Takes
> big guys to do it...

What?  Yes, Sumoka are very strong (and very large), but sumo is as much skill
as any other throwing art--judo or aikido, say.

Kent Enfield
Musubi Dojo (Aikido)
Claremont, CA
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Iron Palm Training
Keywords: Iron Palm, Conditioning
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:04:06 GMT
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
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In article <1992Nov9.162255.21988@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> rob@austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>If anyone has any information on Iron Palm Training ie back issues
>of magazines, books, seminars, or legitimate instructors in the USA
>please post the information in a followup article.
>
>Thanks

My Shifu has taught a few students but he wouldn't teach just anyone.
One has to learn from my shifu for a period of time so that my shifu
knows him better.  And he has to open a school.  Then my shifu would
probably teach him.
From: mnoell@reed.edu (Matthew Max Noell)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: BAD A$$ Karate, a call to end this garbage
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:37:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov10.023725.4982
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR


	Dear Lief,
	It is called Thai boxing.  Notice the h.  It is from Thailand.  The
bamboo tree story is a rip-off from a Van Damme movie called Kickboxer.  And
your friend broke a blackbelts leg and arm?  After absorbing a punch and a
kick?  Huh!  Not much of a blackbelt or else a pretty tall tale.  You yourself
are martial artist, so think about it.  Unless your friend is one too, and
damn good one to boot, he was having some fun at your expense methinks.

Max
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From: cs922096@ariel.yorku.ca (JOSE J. MONTANO)
Subject: Grappling/In-Close Fighting Kung-Fu style
Originator: cs922096@a03.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:34:10 GMT


       I take WTF style Tae Kwon Do and am interested in cross-training in a Kung-Fu style which involves grappling techniques as well as in-fighting hand techniques.  I feel the need to complement my kicking techniques with some short
range ones as well.....if there is such a style, please tell me where a good
school can be found as well.   Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!




|-)  Joe 

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From: mckellar@cs.UAlberta.CA (Neil McKellar)
Subject: Re: Ted's Aikido Tips #1
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:22:11 GMT

la@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Lewis Alderton) writes:

[snip]

>My all time top tip is for Kaiten-Nage (spelling). Just as you are
>being thrown, reach up with your free hand and grab your opponents
>bollocks (men only). The result is often amusing.

A problem here :-)
I was uke for my instructor a couple of weeks ago for this technique
(irimi form).  He stopped as my arm was raised up (just before the throw)
to show something about switching the grip of the hand.  I looked up to see
what he was talking about and caught his knee with my face as he stepped
in for the throw :-{
A little lesson for me in why uke's free hand is to be used either to support
his weight or to protect the face from that incoming strike.
However, if uke's free hand IS on the mat, feel free to stand on it when you
throw him.  An interesting way to force a breakfall from this technique :-)

(I will make a point of protecting my crotch as nage tonight at class, tho :-)

Neil McKellar (mckellar@cs.ualberta.ca)

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