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From: n1mpq@anomaly.sbs.com (Tony Pelliccio)
Subject: Re: Real NoCodes
Organization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Smithfield, RI 02917
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:52:41 GMT

clemon@lemsys.UUCP (Craig Lemon VE3XCL) writes:

>In article <kd1hz.1@anomaly.sbs.com>, Michael P. Deignan writes:

>>                          REAL NOCODES
>>                      By Michael P. Deignan
>>                      kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.com

>>      2. Real nocodes use a repeater when in a grocerystore talking
>>         to their Good Buddy two aisles over. EMP from overhead
>>       flourescent lights makes simplex communication impossible.

>        Au contraire, real "code" class hams drive in a line down
>the road using a remote link to a local repeater, running 50W, and
>complaining about desense while on their way for some "Motion Lotion".

>>      4. Real nocodes always have to stop to put some "MotionLotion"
>>         into their vehicle, on their way to pick up some  "MochaJava"
>>         before stopping to "have an eyeball" with a fellow nocode.

>        See above.

>>      6. Real nocodes operate HTs with stubduckies in their vehicles
>>         and then wonder why they aren't making it into the machine.

>        Around here, the "code" guys run high power into a local
repeater,
>and turn it's sensitivity way down and claim there's nothing wrong
because
>"it still works for them".

>> And yes... Every one of these actually happened.

>Ditto.

>> Have any others? Email them to me!

>>   Michael P. Deignan, KD1HZ               
>>   Domain: mpd@anomaly.sbs.com               I'm not a bigot,    
>>     UUCP: ...!uunet!anomaly!mpd             I hate everyone...  
>>  Telebit: +1 401 455 0347                 

>        No sir, you are a bigot.  And great offense will be, and has been
>taken from your statements.  No-code licensing is not the same in Canada
as
>it is in the States.  I have full radio-theory qualifications but no
code,
>because I have better things to do than study code (like go to school). 
>All code will give me here is operating privileges below 30Mhz, on
>equipment I can't afford.  I can already build my own transceivers, run a
>repeater etc... Just because I don't ENJOY listening to a faint signal
>transmitting a series of tones on my HF "set" doesn't mean that I lack
>intelligence or that you are a better person than I.  At least you've
>decided to come out from behind your "system administrator" account. 
Grow
>up.
Well, seems that the DOC up in Canada made the same mistakes the FCC here
in the states did. So much for brains I guess. 

Tony

>--
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> clemon@lemsys.UUCP clemon%lemsys@xenitec.on.ca  | 1B Electrical
Engineering
> TCP/IP: ve3xcl@ve3xcl.ampr.org [44.135.84.51]   |  University of
Waterloo
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CANADA
From: ehare@arrl.org (Ed Hare - KA1CV)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Extra Class Question Pools
Date: 23 Jan 93 11:00:49 EST
Organization: American Radio Relay League

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, root@jackatak.raider.NET 
(Jack GF Hill - Sysop [HOME]) writes:

>> Somewhere out there in net-land is a copy of the question pool
>> for the amateur extra exam at some FTP site.
>> Please let me know where I can FTP a copy of the extra question pool.

>Would you settle for an ASCII text file of the question pool available 
>via e-mail?
>Send your request formatted with no subject (the file server doesn't 
>care anyway) and the following message text (with NOTHING preceeding 
>this text):

>info@arrl.org
>send pool-extra-1
>send pool-extra-2
>send pool-extra-3
>quit

I will take this opportunity to let everyone know we have fixed 
several annoying bugs in our server. It no longer fails on the
first error -- it will allow up to 5 before it stops trying to
send you stuff. So if your mailer inserts some stuff in the
actual text of the message, it will still work. We have also 
set it up to ignore most header-type info that is in the body
of the text too (such as To: Date: etc.,). We have also just fixed
the bugs that resulted in many users being sent TWO of everything
(annoying, I bet), so all-in-all it should be a lot easier to use.

73 from ARRL HQ, Ed -- KA1CV


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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Through-the-glass antennas?
From: clmorgan@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu
Date: 22 Jan 93 09:53:05 EST
Distribution: usa

In article <1993Jan21.152449.5163@mixcom.com>, kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com> writes:
> Still waiting for my license and have an antennea question...

	Congrats!  You've already taken that first, important
	step.  Here's to many fun experiences on the ham bands.
 
> I have one of those "through-the-glass" cellular lookalike
> scanner antennas that I got from Radio Shack for use with my
> Uniden scanner.
> 
> How will this thing work with an HT at around 5 watts or less?
> Too much SWR?

	I'd guess not ... but ... it's worth a try with a
	VSWR meter.  Use the lowest output power available
	from the HT.  Better to find a more sensitive meter
	than to up the output while testing. [ Also, low
	power reduces innecessary interference. ]
 
> I've got the latest AES catalog and they have HT through the glass
> antennas but they also have a tuning/matching adjustment on them.

	I've been using an Antenna Specialists on-glass for
	about 6 months on my XYL's new car.  Seems to work
	very well.  It does have a tuning "box" on the 
	inside of the window.
 
> I'd rather not use these things if there not that good.

	My choice is a 1/4-wave mounted in the roof.
	My car has just such a gizmo ... 3/4" hole in 
	the roof as well.  I believe the 1/4-wave (which
	is only 19" long) works as well (maybe a little
	better) than the on-glass (that is 34" long).

	My son has been using an on-glass (Camaro) for
	nearly 3 years.  He is quite satisfied ... but
	since he's never had anything else, `tis hard to
	be objective.  His antenna is an old one ... circa
	1980 and made by Avanti (now part of Antenna
	Specialists).  It measures in at 31".  Yes, it
	does have the matching section inside the car.

	A friend has the cellular look-alike.  He doesn't
	swear by it ... he SWEARS AT IT!!  Undoubtedly the
	poorest antenna we've ever evaluated.  But, his
	XYL liked the looks of it!
 
> Even worse, could these types of antennas damage my HT??

	Could, if the VSWR is high and you insist on
	using it.

> I sure don't want to fry the output stages of my new DJ-580T!!

	That's reasonable.
 
> -- 
> Kevin Jessup, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com
> 
>         "Friends don't let friends run DOS."
>                           -- Microware

Good luck ... and .... welcome, again, to the hobby.

	73 >< Carl
	   K8NHE
From: MROWEN%STLAWU.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Michael Owen W9IP)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VHF Communications (magazine)
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:53:17 GMT
Organization: ucsd usenet gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

I'm looking for an article from the German magazine
_VHF Communications_, 1989, #4.  Can anyone out there
help me?

Michael Owen W9IP
MROWEN@STLAWU
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
Subject: Re: Logbook for Windows...
Reply-To: johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:15:38 GMT

I seem to remember seeing something advertised in QST...
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-=+ John S. Roberts, Jr.       FACTS Center  McVey Hall  Room 100  +=-
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-=+ University of Kentucky     Ham: KD4UBM   DoD: 727   '85 Shadow +=-
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From: danielw@wyn386.mi.org (Daniel Wynalda)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: IC-32AT, UHF tuning
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:03:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wynalda Litho Inc., Rockford, MI

I have an ICOM 32-AT handheld.  I am very happy with it and use it 
regularly.  I have modified it to allow UHF receive about the 440-450Mhz
band so as to listen to frequencies in the police/business band at times.
However, our companies frequency allocations are 462.5 and 463.712.  Apparently
the tuner unlocks up around that area (I get a U in the memory display which
indicates this).  

Does anyone know of a way to tune this receiver to lock onto frequencies just
1-2 Mhz higher than it does (I don't mind losing some on the bottom end of the
UHF spectrum as I don't care to hear anything from 430-440Mhz on this radio.

If anyone can give me some instructions as to how this might be done it would
be greatly appreciated.  I know there are hundreds of hams out there who use
these on the net as when I asked for mods I got LOTS of copies.  Thank
you for your help.

danielw@wyn386.mi.org

-- 
Daniel Wynalda       | (616) 866-1561 X22 Ham:N8KUD Net:danielw@wyn386.mi.org
Wynalda Litho Inc.   | 8221 Graphic Industrial Pk. | Rockford, MI  49341
From: bobw@col.hp.com (Bob Witte)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TM-732 Intermod (was:Kenwood tm-732 mod/functions)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:49:46 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: la.col.hp.com

jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (John Ackermann) writes:
> 
> I also just bought a TM-732.  My joy at this tiny radio dimmed a whole
> lot when I discovered that along with (and probably because of) the most
> sensitive receiver I've ever seen, it's also the most prone to intermod
> and/or overload.
> 
> The damn thing is unusable in an urban environment -- I'm not talking
> about a bit of grunge when sitting right under the local tower farm, I'm
> talking about full-scale pager grunge in places where my dual-band
> Alinco HT doesn't hear a peep.
>
  [stuff deleted] 
> Apart from this very significant problem, the radio is great.
> 
> Anyone else experience this intermod/overload problem, or cure it?
> 
> 
> -- 
> John R. Ackermann, Jr.         Law Department, NCR Corporation, Dayton, Ohio
> (513) 445-2966		       John.Ackermann@daytonoh.ncr.com
> Packet Radio: ag9v@n8acv.oh    tcp/ip: ag9v@ag9v.ampr [44.70.12.232]

   Yep. I have the same problem. It turns out that a paging transmitter
   on 462.something MHz is giving me the most problem. I built a tuned
   stub to notch it out and the problem seems to have gone away. At least,
   its at a low enough level that its not really a problem. I can now drive
   up to one of the local hot radio sites without picking up a million
   different signals. (The pager was apparently intermodulating with the
   other signals.) I didn't have much trouble on VHF, just UHF. 

   I sent a letter to Kenwood and they say to send the radio in and
   they'll fix it. I am skeptical.

   A great radio if the receiver performance was better. Kind of like
   saying "a great boat except that it sinks".
   
 Bob Witte  /  HP Colo Springs  /  bobw@col.hp.com   /  KB0CY   
     
    
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: kenney@star.enet.dec.com (star::kenney)
Subject: RE: Through-the-glass antennas
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:28:05 GMT
X-Posted-Via: NEWS-NOTES gateway (a hack!)

    
    	I have a friend who uses the Radio Shack scanner antenna.  He went
    that route after the recommended larsen glass mount kept falling off
    the glass.  I forget the exact SWR reading he got on 2m and 70cm but
    they were acceptable.  It worked for him and is cheap.  It has no where
    near the performance of the trunk mount on his other vechile or the
    larsen while it stayed stuck.  But is was what he could get working on
    his pastic skined van.  So far it does not appear to have hurt his
    DJ-580T.
    
    
    Forrest Kenney, kenney@star.dec.enet.com
    N1MVF
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
Subject: What To Do About Intermod
Reply-To: johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:52:05 GMT

I have a TH78 and a Diamond 7 something dual band car antenna.  It has 3 db  
gain on 2 meters and 5 db gain on 440.  I get intermod like crazy!  Mostly is  
pager type things, but can be just about anything.  What can I do?  Is the  
problem that my radio is designed to be used with a less sensitive antenna than  
the diamond, or is there some other reason.

Thanks for your advice!

John

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-=+ John S. Roberts, Jr.       FACTS Center  McVey Hall  Room 100  +=-
-=+ Communications Consultant  Work: (606)257-2275  Home: 272-1417 +=-
-=+ University of Kentucky     Ham: KD4UBM   DoD: 727   '85 Shadow +=-
-=+ Computing Center           HomeUUCP: johnr%agnostic@ms.uky.edu +=-
From: lkay@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (leonard kay)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Burglars are brighter than you might think!
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:34:32 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University

In article <1k6cikINN56p@west.West.Sun.COM>, 
flloyd@l1-a.West.Sun.COM (Fred Lloyd [Phoenix SE]) writes:
> 
> Very good subject.  I don't think that this can be understated.  I make
> it a personal practice NEVER to discuss vacation plans over the air.
> 

Or anything else, as Fred points out, like "I've got to cook my own
dinner when I get home, since everyone's out", etc. etc.

Remember, ham radio has no monopoly on this - I also make it a point
never to discuss such topics on my *cordless telephone*. Granted, the
range on most is severly limited, but I can maintain contact at
100-200 yards away and more from my house, certainly within the 
range of neighborhood scanners.....

Len


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From: jkearman@arrl.org (Jim Kearman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DXCC Rules
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:43:55 EST
Organization: American Radio Relay League

> 
>The Ohio/Penn Dx PacketCluster
>DX Bulletin No. 096 (OPDX.096)
>January 25, 1992
>Editor Tedd Mirgliotta, KB8NW
>Provided by BARF-80 BBS Cleveland, Ohio
>Online at 216-237-8208 14400/9600/2400/1200/300 8/N/1
> 
>Thanks to the Northern Ohio Amateur Radio Society, Northern Ohio DX
>Association, Ohio/Penn PacketCluster Network, DL1HBT & DXNL, DF4RD,
>K4CEF & Southeastern Cluster Group, LW3DSR, OM3EA, K1ER, W4FOA, W4VP,
>N9KWW/KH6, K9AJ and KJ9U/KH6 for the following DX information.

<deletions> 
 
>KH6, HAWAIIAN ISLANDS. Ron (N9KWW/KH6) states he operates on 10 meters
>daily from 2200 to 0100z. He operates from the USS Willamette AO-180,
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>an active duty NAVY ship (with permission from his Commanding Officer).
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>So, if anyone needs KH6 or Pearl Harbor confirmed look for Ron on 28365
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>kHz +/- QRM. QSL with an SASE to NH6ZB. Ron plans to operate from many
>overseas ports as he gets permission from the host countries. Travels
>include Hong Kong, Singapore and others.



From Section I, paragraph 8 of the DXCC Rules:

      All stations contacted must be "land" stations." Contacts
      with ships and boats, anchored or under way, and airborne
      aircraft, cannot be counted.


See you in the KH1 pileups!

Jim, KR1S
From: terry@red.uucp (Terrence R. Redding)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Through-the-glass antennas
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:58:26 -0500
Reply-To: terry%red@lawton.lonestar.org
Organization: R & R Advantage.  Education and Marketing.  SDL spoken here!
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

In <1993Jan22.104941.26862@usl.edu>, Boudreaux Jean A writes:
>Speaking of Larsen antennas, I was the proud owner of a larsen KG 2/70
>on glass dual bander.  After carefully cleaning my outside glass, and 
>mounting the whip.  I was impressed with it's performance, repeater's I 
>couldn't hit with 5 watts out of my ht's rubber duck, were fully quieted
>with only 220 milliwats.  I gave the antenna all day to sit/set before
>driving off.  Well my love affair was very short lived.  After
>driving about 1 minute at just under 60 mph., the whip promptly flew 
>off of the car and with a clang apparently bounced into a large
>ditch, covered with 2 foot weeds and night.  Now this antenna was bought
>from a friend who never used it, after he called the supplier they
>wouldn't refund cause it had been too long since purchase.
>Larsen would not help, they say no one else has had this problem.
>But as post 30627 shows, they are LYING.  I recommend avoiding this antenna
>and all other Larsen on glass products, because if it fails they will 
>probably stick you as well.
>
>Ah, I feel much better after getting that off my chest, if they won't 
>refund my $$, at least maybe I can cost them a little 
>8)
>
>
>73's DE kb5udf

Sorry to see you have so much trouble with the Larson antenna mounted on the 
glass.  I wouldn't blame the antenna.  I suggest the real problem was the 
adhesive.  I've had my Larson on for vour years with no problem.  The garage 
door bent the stinger but the mount never budged.

A friend of mine in Panama HP1XRQ had his on a Toyota land crusier.  Never 
lost the anatenna driving through jungles bird watching.  It may be that 
you are not the first, that there may be others, but many of us here in ham
land cantestify to the fact that the mount is near bullet proof in most cases.
Regards, Terry.
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PACKET:  WB5LMJ @ WB5MJS.OK.USA.NA
Voice 405 536-8822, Ben's Place (Benjamin Franklin) BBS 536-6988 9p to 6a
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Educational Advisor, American Radio Relay League
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: rfa@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (Robert F. Alexander)
Subject: ADI Sender-145
Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:20:21 GMT

Does anybody know anything about this radio? Are there any
mods or things in particular that make it better or worse
than any of the other  HT's.

I bought the one I have at the Hamfest in Richmond Va. this
past week-end. It seems to have great sensitivity and the
scan and monitoring functions are everything that I expected
from it. It was used so I got it for $175.00. Thought that
was pretty fair in comparison to some of the other deals I
encountered while I was there. 

If anyone knows what the mods are to expand the transmit
into the MARS and CAP areas plus any other gdies...I's
appreciate a little help.

Thanks to all who might respond.

Oh...BTW..ADI is all but on the rocks fincially here in the
USA..There is a group of technicians who were doing the
repairs for ADI in georgia....who are trying to reorganize
the stuff a get the Brand back into the mainstream of ham
radio here in the states. I understand that they are doing
fairly well in Europe...Any comments ? 

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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: adam@wam.umd.edu (Adam L. Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Real NoCodes
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:37:25 GMT

In article <C1E2nJ.G8D@anomaly.sbs.com> n1mpq@anomaly.sbs.com (Tony Pelliccio) writes:
>n1mpq/aa Control Operator for 2x2ARA, Providence, RI

Stud.  Can I have your autograph?

>And yes, my 2x2 call is on the way, thank gh0d! I'd hate to be associated
>with a no-code N#xxx call like yours. Eeeewww!
>
I hope your spell-check program is coming with it.  And face it, you'll 
always remember N1MPQ, Tony.


Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jab0684@usl.edu (Boudreaux Jean A)
Subject: Re: Through-the-glass antennas
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:18:48 GMT

John, WD4OQC, mentions the procedure for the antenna/specialists
on glass unit.  However my faulty/defectective was not from antenna specialists
rather it was a LARSEN KG 2/70, which netters are once again, cautioned to avoid.


73's DE kb5udf

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: DESPERATELY SEEKING AIR VARIABLE CAPACITORS
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:56:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.131055.5563@klaava.Helsinki.FI> stickler@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Patric M Stickler) writes:
>I am trying to locate some surplus air variable capacitors for use in a
>transmatch. They only have to be able to handle around 150 watts, and can be
>of any age/make as long as they are functional/reliable.
>
>I need one (1) 200pF and one (1) dual 200pF capacitor.
>
>I also would be interested in some ceramic switches, 3-4 position double
>pole, and 8-15 position single or double pole.
>
>Any help in locating these will be *greatly* appreciated.

A company called Radiokit in New Hampshire carried these in their
catalog a couple of years ago. Radiokit, PO Box 973, Pelham, NH 03076.

Gary

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From: boyd@afsp.b30.INgr.COM (stan boyd)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ham vendor info
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:13:46 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

I'd like to get see of the vendors (Kenwood, Yaesu, ICOM, Alinco, MFJ, etc) post
technical information on their products somewhere on USENET. Information that
will give you more detail than an ad in QST and something you can get without
having to either write to the vendor or write or visit a dealer.  Anyone got
any contacts or any ideas on how this can be done?  If so, pass it on to some
vendors.

73s,

Stan, KC4ZGF

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From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:18:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Using electrical outlet ground as earth ground?????
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA