From: vbaker@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Re: Homosexuality and Christianity
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 03:13:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.195454.27979@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John Muehlhausen) writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.020203.12162@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr8.001434.25229@en.ecn.purdue.edu> muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John Muehlhausen) writes:
>>>I hope I made my point...  I realize that sex can be a very fulfilling
>>>experience for two people, but homosexual activity was obviously NOT intended
>>>for anyone ...
>>
>>It is amazing the things people find "obvious" which are not.
> 
> So God intended for some males to stick their !@#$!@ up another males
> #$@#$234.... To what end?  

Pleasure.  Same as for some males to stick their !@#$!@ up some females'
#$@#$234.  

One of the functions of the body is the reception of pleasurable sensations.
When I nibble on my wife's ear -- okay, not a perfect example -- when I
nibbled on my wife's ear before she was my wife, is that a perversion of the
nutrient-grinders and the auditory-sensation-recievers?  Of course not!

With only the male body as an example, it's concievable that people would
assume that the pleasures of sex are only meant to be enjoyed in the act
of reproduction, because the pleasure-devices and reproduction-devices are
intrinsically connected, but the female body in no way supports this.
Female orgasms have no reproductive function; the clitoris is not a repro-
ductive organ; while male orgasm releases sperm, female orgasm does _not_
release the ovum.  

Another point.  If it is important for there to be a chance of conception
every time sperm is released, why is it not so much more so every time an
ovum is released?  When an ova goes, it's gone; when a sperm goes, a whole
bunch more can be made that are just exactly like it.  The morality that
requires males to avoid `wasting' sperm on non-potentially-reproductive
behavior, even before marriage, should at least as reasonably be apalled
when a female goes a whole cycle without exposing that _irreplaceable_
ovum to the chance to conceive -- again, even before marriage.

Enjoying kissing is not perversion (defined as `misuse of the involved 
objects') because one of the purposes of the lips is the reception of 
pleasurable tactile stimulation.  Enjoying penis-vagina intercourse is 
not a perversion, because one of the purposes of the penis and the vagina 
(and the clitoris) is the reception of pleasurable tactile stimulation.  
Well, guess what?  By that line of reasoning, which you would have to be 
crazed to disagree with, enjoying oral sex is not a perversion.  And,
since one of the purposes of the anus is the reception of pleasurable
tactile stimulation (if it were not, why would people enjoy it?) enjoying
anal sex is not a perversion.  The disposal of solid waste is not the
sole purpose of the anus any more than the reception of auditory information
is the sole purpose of my wife's oh-so-tasty ear.

Remember:  If sex were only intended for reproduction, people would spore.

>                            I think it is _very_ clear that this was not
> intended behavior. 

I think it is very clear that the evidence supporting it as intended behavior
far outweighs the evidence supporting it as non-intended behavior.  
 
>                    As always I refer only to the sex act.  Sorry to be
> graphic about it.
> 

I am not sorry to be graphic about it.  Sexuality is an important topic and
it is a shame indeed that we are uncomfortable talking about it frankly.

> John M.

Vincent
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