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Subject: 1/2 Meg Chip --> 1 Meg Chip RAM!
From: csccm@luxury.latrobe.edu.au (Chris Miles)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:18:45 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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I have an A500 with 20meg HD on the side, and 3 megs of RAM - 0.5 Chip, 0.5 in
the Trapdoor, and 2 meg FAST in the HD.  Wot I have heard is that its possible
to make the 0.5 meg in the Trapdoor to be another 0.5 meg of Chip ram??  Is
this true, and if so - How do I do IT???!  I realize I might have to buy a
'bigger' Agnus, but I'd just like to know the details of how to do this if it
is possible...

Thanx!


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From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  Floppy size in 1200?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:24:38 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <dej.022p@qpoint.ocunix.on.ca> <1992Nov18.161701.25519@zip.eecs.umich.edu>

>   Some people have been complaining about the size of the floppy for games.
>   Personally, I think since the PCMCIA slot is there that's a moot point.
>   You can fit up to many MB's of rom on one of these small cards. Plus the
>   load times for this would be instantaneous.. I think however the Cross
>   DOS support would be a good reason to have a 1.44 mb floppy but you can
>   still live with 720K disks for data transfer.. Also, if you are talking
>   about larger files ASDG packages a great utility with ADPRO called Splitz
>   and Joinz which also comes with the equivalent PC, Windows and MAC
>   versions that will help break up just about any large file up over
>   several disks...

How much does one 2MB floppy cost for manufacturers?  Let's say in bulk
.50-.60$.  How much does a 2 meg PCMCIA cost?  Hmm.  I'd guess lots more
than .60$.  Unless the security of theft by piracy makes them end up costing
less, I would think manufacturers would want the lower cost of disk.

>******************************************************
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>
>EMU Mathematics Lab Consultant
>
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>1436 N Prospect, Ypsilanti, MI  48198

-Joel
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From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: SCSI, SyQuest, and diskchanges...
Date: 14 Nov 92 22:49:54 GMT
Organization: is sometimes desirable

Two suggestions:

1.  Try a shorter cable.

2.  Try running a ribbon cable from the inside to the external drive.  Some
    say that the 25 pin connector is a bad idea.  The 50 conductor ribbon
    cable allows better signal grounds.


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: gbrandt@muug.mb.ca (Gregor Brandt)
Subject: 68020 vs 68EC020 (pin compatible?)
Summary: are these two chip interchangable
Organization: Manitoba Unix User Group, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:40:05 GMT

Are the 68020 and 68ec020 pin compatible?  What I'm wondering is
if I get a 1200, can I put the 020 from my Hurricane board into
it.  (well, thats sorta useless, but I also have an '020 to '030
adapter, which I'd like to use)
 
Gregor

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: IBM Develops PC Product in 14 weeks
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 03:15:52 GMT

In article <37214@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>You've missed two other points:
>
>1) IBM regularly develops better hardware and puts it on ice until
>   competitive developments force them to release it.
>
>2) IBM regularly holds prices to max the market will bear for as
>   long as they can, then announced overnight price reductions
>   in response to product releases or price reductions by their
>   competitors.

   IBM has gotten better recently.  IBM's spinoff printer division recently 
developed a color inkjet printer with built-in PostScript that is in all ways
better than HP's PaintJet XL300, with a lower list price to boot.  The 
same division has been producing low-cost 600DPI PostScript printers for 
some time, and HP only recently caught up with them.  At the very least, HP
is starting to feel quite a bit of heat from IBM.

>George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
>but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
>Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com

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From: pm@nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com (Peter Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Open letter to Marc Barrett
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:27:21 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom Europe
NNTP-Posting-Host: nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com

In article <ubb+r*lj1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>> 
>> Why don't you just put him in your kill file?
>
>A.  My kill files don't work very well.
>
>B.  His postings take up precious space on my HD.  (Maybe I should write a
>    program to find and delete all his postings...)
>

If you make the -MB- hunter killer program shareware, you will probably
end up richer than your wildest dreams :-)

-- 
Peter Mitchell - Senior Design Engineer.   | 
Dept.92941, TXE Engineering,               |        SCSI FOREVER!
NT Europe LTD.                             |
peter.mitchell@lon40.nt.com                |
From: vexar@watserv.ucr.edu (Joe C Solinsky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Comdex & C=
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:03:04 GMT

Commodore execs,
	I talked with the people at the show, and they said there is no hope  
for upgrading the A3000 to AGA(literally: "very unlikely"), and that there is  
no power-up plan for any of the other systems.  Regarding the possibility of an  
upgrade to the AGA chip set, a C= sales person (lost the business card) replied  
"It is too difficult.  You would have to change everything."  I then asked what  
we A2000/ A500/ A600 users were going to do with our machines.  He said "Don't  
give up hope!  Be patient."  What does he mean?  What is planned?  Why was the  
A600 not at Comdex?  Why was there wire-wrapping on the motherboard of the  
A4000?  That looked sloppy.
	Oh, and one more thing: the A1200 uses those new credit-card-sized  
memory cards.  the A1200 has 4megs in it.  I found the company who makes the  
card, and it seems that they also make an 8meg card.  Is it going to work?   
Also, with the release of the 68060 by Motorolla (nice sales people, BTW, and  
they gave me a tee-shirt just for being an Amiga-User!), Are we going to see  
some more from you?  Also, poking around, I found some really fast RAM chips on  
display at that booth, and they were also about the size of gum sticks.  8-Megs  
of memory that tiny sure could fit into something like a laptop quite well.
	Essentially, Commodore, What is your plan?
-Joe Solinsky
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: What Cable Do I Need?
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:41:34 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <13608@ecs.soton.ac.uk> efp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Pritchard EF) writes:
> I've just ordered a Maxtor 85Mb 2.5" IDE drive for my A1200, unfortunately
> the supplier was unable to supply a cable to go with it: so does anyone know
> if there is anything special I need, or is if just a straight IDE cable?
> 
> The manual says that the A1200 IDE controller interface is a 40 pin AT-BUS,
> but I took the cover off the A1200 and counted 44 pins (22 pins in line), so
> is this 40 pins plus Power or what?

The 2.5 inch drives use a different cable/connector than the 3.5 inch drives.
The connector has 44-pins, of which the first 40 are the same as the the 3.5
inch drives and the others are for power (no separate power cable).  This
cable uses connectors with a 2mm pin spacing instead of the .1 inch spacing
used on the 3.5 inch drives.

> Any suggestions appreciated, mail me direct, and when I get it sorted I'll
> forward the final result for anyone else with the same situation...

Hope you can find something.  At first we though we would have to make a up
custom flex-circuit, but it turned out that some japanese vendors were making
comaptible ribbon cable and connectors.

One of the advantages of getting a drive expansion kit is that it includes
such little details, while the cut-rate drive vendors don't have to bother...

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: A1000 floppy problems
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:52:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: ms.1992Nov23.145253.25455
Distribution: na
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

I have an Amiga 1000 with a second floppy drive (A1010), a two-meg RAM
board, a comspec SCSI controller, a Rejuvenater board, and a dual ROM
board.  My problem is that the floppy drives have become unreliable.
They generally can read fine, but writing and formatting don't always
work.  Some examples:

	After backing up several HD partitions and reformatting the
	drive, several of the (brand new Verbatim brand) floppies
	containing the backup had read errors.  They later reformatted
	fine.

	During a session of reformatting old floppies, more than half
	out of a stack of around 80 failed to reformat.  The failure
	point on each disk was consistent.  About 1/2 to 2/3 of the
	failed disks would format on a sun sparc (using an MS-DOS
	filesystem), after which they could be read on the amiga using
	MSH.  Most of the disks were TDKs and Sonys.

	Several disks would format and accept writes fine, but later
	reads would turn up disk errors.

	Formatting two floppies at once failed every time, though I
	didn't try it very much.

A lot of this could be explained by poor-quality or worn-out disks, but
it doesn't sound reasonable for this many disks to go bad all of the
sudden.  So, I've been wondering about two other possibilities:

	One of my 8250's is flakey.  However, there are no other
	problems with the system, and I did try switching the chips to
	no effect.  Could an 8250 problem cause something this subtle?

	My power supply is overloaded and the drives are having trouble
	developing sufficient write current.  I'd always heard the
	1000's had plenty of power available, and the system isn't
	*that* overloaded.  Disconnecting the external floppy drive
	gave some marginal improvement, but didn't help during the
	backup/restore fiasco, for example.

Any ideas?
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                              kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                         +1 606 257 2975
Dept. of Mathematics     "Your ball goes over them, it sails off the edge into
a huge cauldren of fire-breathing dragons."  "And they call this a par three?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: ceg@bret.jpl.nasa.gov (Chuck Goodhart)
Subject: Re: ECC
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory; Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:52:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.060933.18436@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au>
ajft@ajft_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au (Adrian Tritschler) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.001328.10434@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>,
>ceg@bret.jpl.nasa.gov (Chuck Goodhart) writes:
>|> By my calculations, 12 bits are required for 1 bit correct, 2 bit detect
>|> on 8 data bits.  10 bits will only get you 6 data bits.
>
>Close, try 11, (8 + 3). The number of detection/correction bits is log (base 2)
>#databits. I don't believe it can be done in 10.

Check your references, 12 is the right answer.

If "n" is the number of data bits, and "k" is the number of check bits,
then, in order to be able to correct single bit errors, you must have:
	k >= log2(n+k+1)

See my recent "Re: Parity" message for the essence of the proof of this.
--
Chuck Goodhart, ceg@bret.jpl.nasa.gov
-- 
Chuck Goodhart, ceg@bret.jpl.nasa.gov
From: mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: So when do we get a 1200 with HARD-DRIVE??
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:19:07 GMT
Organization: none

In article <smcgerty.721876245@unix1.tcd.ie>, smcgerty@unix1.tcd.ie (Stephen John McGerty) wrote:
>There is a real need for the A1200 to be packaged with 
>a harddrive RIGHT NOW. And no messing about - at least 
>40Megs please. This really should be done before Christmas, 

I talked to the local distributor, Emcee, and they said that the Scottish
factory wasn't geared up to produce HD-equipped 1200s before Christmas, and
that they were barely keeping up with the rush as it was. They quoted their
own custom price of 680 pounds for a 40 Meg 17 ms access. They said that
January the official version's cost would be 550 pounds.
-- 
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deasThroughAnyMediaAndRegardlessOfFrontiers...#10 UN Declaration of Human Rights
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.tech
From: gpapadop@nyx.cs.du.edu (George Papadopoulos)
Subject: A2630/GVP II SCSI+RAM Questions
Keywords: Amiga Accelerator Memory Compatibility
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 18:28:18 GMT


	I just ordered a 2630 accelerator and I had some questions about
compatibility with my current setup and was hoping someone could answer
my questions.

	I have a GVP Series II SCSI/RAM card with 6 megs of 16 bit ram. Now,
as I understand it, the 4 megs of 2630 memory  resides in the 68000's 8 meg
fast ram address space (where my 6 megs are currently located). Is this
correct? And if so, does that mean that I will have to give up my 6 megs
of 16-bit RAM? 

	Can the RAM on the SCSI card coexist with that on the accelerator?
	
	If not, can 4 megs of the SCSI/RAM card mem. coexist with the accel.
ram. and will everything autoconfig properly for a total of eight megs
of fast ram.

	Does anyone know of any incompatibility problems one way or the other?

	Also, does a card like DKB's ram expander place all memory in the
'030 a32-bit address space?

	Please don't tell me that using 16-bit memory is going to be slow.
I know this already, thanks.

	Thanks in advance to all who help me out. A special thanks to 
Barry McConnell for his 'DMA and Accelerators FAQ' which I picked up
a while ago...



--
     /// George I. Papadopoulos   | 
    ///    gip@drycas.bitnet      | 	"We're clutching at straws, 
\\\/// gip@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu |		still drowning..."
 \XX/    gpapadop@nyx.cs.du.edu   |			  -FISH, Marillion
From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Amiga 5000
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:41:21 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <gsanders.02nl@ftord.UUCP>, gsanders@ftord.UUCP (Garnett Sanders) writes:
> I know the Amiga 4000 just came out afew weeks ago! But before it did, there
> was talk about the Amiga 5000. Is there anyone out there that has some info on
> it????? (something about 64 bit ram???)

        Well, 64 bit ram is only worthwhile if you have a 64 bit CPU. With
this in mind, the options are, a 64 bit 680x0 (not available yet) or a new
CPU (RISC perhaps, eg MIPS R4000). Since C= has only just come out with
full 32 bit systems, it's probably a bit soon to start talking about a 64
bit machine (it would need a new 64 bit Zorro bus amongst other things).

           Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
                    DOD# 251  '84 VF 750   Closet Ducatisto
             Disclaimer. If you love your llama, let it lambada.
From: sl1zm@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A1200 and LD vs HD drives
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:55:19 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

> That is NOT "SELL the computer!"  That's "your a twit you idiot, get out of
> my store!"
> 
>>cannot address the advantages of owning a 1200 or 4000 or what-have-you to
>>the customer, you are doing that customer a dis-service by making excuses
>>and implying things that C= may or may not make good on.
> 
> Bull hockey.  Honesty and an attitude of working with and for the customer
> sells the computer.  Explaining the lack of the hd drive needs to be
> addresses _along with_ the advantages of owning a 1200 or 4000.
> 
> I'll not waste more of my time with this stupid display of your poor
> salesmanship.  It's obvious you couldn't hack it and so you were dropped
> from the sales force (if your really were ever on one).

He certainly wasn't paid on a commission basis!  ;-)

> -Joel

James

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: dvsg0223@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David Salamon)
Subject: Re: A3000 ps, help!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:58:53 GMT

2327berdanr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:

>Hardware gurus,
>Recently experienced a beautiful blue spark coming from my serial port while 
>plugging in a cable. (while computer was on -> oopps)  anyways  checked the
>cia's its not that, and now I noticed that the fan and powersupply doesn't t
>turn on (ie the computer's dead).  Should the fan be turning while the ps
>is not connected?  What does it mean if the fan and power comes on and
>then shuts off quickly-- thats what it is doing now.  Thanks for your help

This should be in a FAQ list.  The A3000 power supply has a nice feature where
it will not turn on if there is too low a resistance between the outputs and
ground, i.e. if there is a short circuit.  This saves you having to replace
your power supply when you keep plugging in cables while the machine is on.

Your spark caused a short to ground.  You need to check where it is.

David
From: holler@holli.UUCP (Jan Holler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A3000 1.3 Partition
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:25:59 GMT
Organization: my own mess
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Nov13.181213.28100@eng.ufl.edu> scroll@insect.cis.ufl.edu (Steve Croll) writes:
> I have an old A3000 and have not used 1.3 in more than 2 years.
> My question: How can I make the 1.3 partition visible under 2.0(+)?

Use a tool called SCSI-Mounter2.01 by Martin A. Blatter (4/25/92) or go
into HD-Toolbox advanced options automount=yes!

> Steve Croll 
> (internet: scroll@sparky.cis.ufl.edu  bix: scroll  home: 904-373-8389)

-- 

                    Jan Holler - Bern, Switzerland 
           uunet!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmswi!augs1!holli!Jan_Holler
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A4000 -=> 68EC040
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:05:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbmvax.37196
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1eiub4INN9qn@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:
> dolittle@halmuc.muc.sub.org (Ludwig Hurt) writes:
> : In article <1992Nov6.103421.3729@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>,
> : 	g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (Claire Radlett) writes:
> : ->Hi Everyone.
> : ->
> : ->I have heard a report that not all A4000's have the full blown 68040 CPU
> : ->and instead have the 68EC040 CPU ( The cut down version ). Can anyone 
> : ->
> : 
> : This is false. I have got one.

> Well Amiga Format (UK Magazine) reviewed the 4000 and they said it was a 
> 68EC040. (without FPU or MMU).

> Has anyone from C= actually said that its a true 040??

More times than we can count.

Just because a magazine publishes information that the extract from the
press releases, manuals or use of a review machine doesn't make it correct.

> Any chance of introducing an educational discount C= ????

That's up to the various national sales companies.  Where there existing
educational discounts I would expect the A4000 to be covered by similar
terms, but please note that "educational discount" usually means lower
prices for institutions, staff or university bookstore/computer outlet,
not neccessarily a discount to the prospective student customer.

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
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From: gacs4590@oswego.Oswego.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace
Subject: WANTED: 1.3 ROM for Amiga 500
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:05:24 GMT
Reply-To: gacs4590@oswego.Oswego.edu ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: gacs4590@cloy.oswego.edu

******************************************************************************
*		        W A N T E D:  1.3  ROM                               *
******************************************************************************

	Does anyone have ROM 1.3 leftover from a 2.X upgrade?
	If so, send me  some email.  I would like to buy it.

						Andy
						gacs4590@cloy.oswego.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: keith@actrix.gen.nz (Keith Stewart)
Subject: Help needed on SCSI info for my Quantum & GVP Series II
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:44:35 GMT

Further to my previous posting on problems with my 120 meg HD and slow
data transfer.

I cashed my 120 meg Quantum (oops crashed) anyway it and the 40meg Quantum
(which never crashed) are both booting OK and reading and writing OK
except the 120meg is transferring data at half the rate of the 40meg where
as before it was faster.

When I tried TurboQuantum on the drives ( anything to get more speed) I got 
the following


ON the 120 MEG Quantum

Changing Quantum DDIS parameter on gvpscsi.device unit 2 / LUN 0.  ? ??Mode Select: io_ C:28 F:0 E:42 A:0 L:30 D:$420044 O:0              ? ?? scsi_ D:$4201A2/8/0 C:$420062/6/6 F:2 ST:0 SD:$4200A2/64/0        ? ??        ERROR: Unable to change mode page.                              ????                                         

Sorry I will post again


 
C Changing Quantum DDIS parameter on gvpscsi.device unit 2 / LUN 0.
D Mode Select: io_ C:28 F:0 E:42 A:0 L:30 D:$420024 O:0
D scsi_ D:$420182/8/0 C:$420042/6/6 F:2 ST:0 SD:$420082/64/0
D        ERROR: Unable to change mode page.
	 
Now with the 40 meg Quantum there was no problems
Does this mean the Quantum firmware is bad?
From: denson@sdd.hp.com (Craig Denson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Networking?  WHY?!?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 15:28:46 -0800
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdln.sdd.hp.com
Keywords: schemeggie, lisppie, aieioiue

In article <37087@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:

>docs called the whole schemeggie "AppleTalk".  When they started thinking
                       ^^^^^^^^^^
  is that pronounced: sheh meh' ji  or skeh meg' i or skeem' ji ??


craig
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