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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:09:53 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Stipe

On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:41:49 CDT Leonard Watkins said:
>Jackson Browne is someone who comes to mind it seems his early stuff
>was alot better than the stuff he put out after i started seeing him
>on all the for-a-cause-in-another-country event.

In other words, you like the self-pity whining better than the more globally-
conscious whining, right? Me too -- it's easier to write off without suffering
pangs of liberal-guilt.
Rick
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:42:31 EDT
From:         "David M. Geoghegan" <imagesys!dmg@UU.PSI.COM>
Subject: Re: Shabba
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	HI
Yes Shabba does dancehall. Last year I was at the SunSplash in Montego Bay and
 he was the talk of the week. Everyone was just so psyched to see him. He came
 on late(6 AM) on friday. He came off a hot air balloon shaped thing with his
 picture on it. Everyb
ody freaked out. Vendors left their stalls etc. Well he sucked!!!.
Just my opinion, but the papers seemed to agree.

			Dave
Who wont buy his albums and is actually knid of pissed he won the reggae grammy
 this year(shabba won not me)
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 10:07:02 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      vocalizer

is anyone out there familiar with a Vocalizer 1000 made by Breakaway
what does a vocalizer do it appears to be a voice synth would it reproduce
the tones made by an instrument..?
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:10:31 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: rap

No, Mike. . .

The song sampled for "Rapper's Delight" was from Chic's "Good Times"; this
was a disco song--not a rock song.

The precursers to rap music were New York (and other cities) radio deejays
who in the 40's and 50's used rap to fill in "dead air".  There are several
other theories as to who first "rapped"--but it was long before the Beatles
era.

Just my 2. .

Michelle
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:40:52 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
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              "Michael H. Bloom" at Jul 22, 92 10:15 am

At the risk of sounding like a total wimp backing down, I really do have to
agree with you on rap as lacking the spiritual "current" in the blues, gospel,
etc.  Rather than grouping rap with all those other streams of Black music,
which I seemed to be doing, while trying to defend some aspect of it, mainly
that it
is verbal (rather than physical...but again, I know words lead to acts, cf.
Adolf) and inventive... I think it IS valid to draw the line between them.
To be honest, I actually (the confession comes out) don't listen
to rap and don't particularly like it, except when I've heard some
amateurs/kids do a great job of rapping and I'm impressed with the
creativity of it. (It's true that being a liberal can get you in some awkward
spots like this.)

By the way, I meant to ask before: what's your band??? (as a new subber I'm not
in on this stuff)
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:47:21 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: B.B.
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              Gelinas" at Jul 27, 92 2:34 pm

>
>   Well, maybe if B.B. King got back to local bars, etc. he might see
> more blacks.  If he keeps playing his upscale Vegas type of places, he's
> gonna keep crying.  Makes me wonder if he's crying for himself.  Pretty
> harsh, I know, but it seems to me he's made his own bed.....
>
> Russ
>
True enuff, but still I think it's also true that ever since the blues revival
of the last 20 years (which seems lately to be on the upswing again), it's
mainly white kids, not black kids, who go to hear blues.  Maybe that's less
true these days... I guess I don't even know, but whenever I go to a blues
show there are only a few black people there, and almost never young people.
(I'm not talking about Vegas either)
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:10:00 PDT
From:         alva moore stevenson <ECZ5AMS@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Masuda re: rap

Hi Mike:  from my point of view, the lack of balanced airing of various
musical genres has ALWAYS been the problem w/MTV from its inception.  Reggae,
African, and the various other musical forms that come out of the Caribbean/
Central/South American are among those forms not well-represented or at
all on MTV.  But, like so many things in our society MTV is money-driven.

So what else is new.

Alva Moore
ecz5ams.mvs.oac.ucla.edu
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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:27:24 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: early Dylan chronology
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              at Jul 30, 92 3:58 pm

> and it was right there. Mea Culpa! I guess I was too preoccupied thinking up
> alliterative euphemisms for Dylan's accident to be thorough. I apologize to
> you and all other Dylan fans to whom this matters.
> Hangin my head in shame,
> Rick
>
I was into the alliterative euphemisms, keep em comin
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:48:47 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Before Ice-T...
              28 Jul 1992 10:41:34 EDT from <coleeng@PILOT.NJIN.NET>

On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:41:34 EDT Coleen Gallagher said:
>Rick,
>    I see your point.  I just started listening to Eric Clapton and I have
>yet to hear the song; however, I don't believe (I can't be to sure I was born
>in '72) the volience was as bad as it is today.  I also believe a good part
>it has to dt happend in L.A.
>                 Coll
>                    coleeng@pilot.njin.net
Coll -- I was paraphrasing the Village Voice; it was not my point. I just
like the irony of it all. No doubt that some of the folks pushing to rid the
world of "subversive" songs like "Cop Killer" listen and enjoy Clapton's
version of "I Shot the Sheriff" on commercial FM radio.
I'm very reluctant to relate the violence in LA to popular music. As
you realize, it's much more complicated than that. Such easy simplifications
feed into the hands of the PMRC and other would-be censors.
Trying to stay off the soapbox,
Rick (born in '57)
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:42:33 PDT
From:         "Michael M. Masuda" <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: vocalizer

A vocalizer or vocoder is a complex signal processor requiring two
sound inputs.

For example, let's use a human voice and a piano for the two sounds.
the human voice is sent through a signal splitter, which sends the
voice to 15 to 30 locations, each having a bandpass filter.
Each bandpass filter takes care of a specific band in the audio spectrum
(e.g., filter 1:  20 hertz - 50 hertz,
              2:  50 Hz - 100 Hz,
              3:  100 Hz - 200 Hz,
              4:  200 Hz - 500 Hz, etc., up to 20,000 Hz.
 I.e., each filter allows those frequencies listed to pass through it.)

After going through the filter, each signal is sent to an individual
voltage controlled amplifier, or VCA.

The piano goes through a similar set of bandpass filters and sent to the
corresponding VCAs.

In the VCA, there is an input for the sound to be amplified, and an input
for the voltage that controls the amplitude of the sound.

So, in our case, if the sound emulated is that of a piano with the
vocal characteristics of a human voice, we would send the sound of the
piano through the amplifier, with the voice controlling the amplitudes
of the individual VCAs.  All of the outputs are mixed back into one signal
and is sent out as modulated signal.

Two inputs, two sets of bandpass filters, one set of VCAs, and a mixer.

It's not an easy process to explain,
especially without diagrams and without lunch.

So I couldn't explain tube/trans amps; maybe this will revamp my
credentials as a reasonable electronic musician.

 3
M
From: R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Russ Gelinas)
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Subject: RE: Tunnel hearing
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:25:34 GMT
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  My daughter just came home with one of those cheapo electronic piano
toys.  It's got the same technology that's in all those cheap sound
producing toys.  Anyway, it's supposed to play about 2 octaves.  What's
cool about it is that it loses it's tuning for the highest 3 or 4 notes.
At first I thought, geez what a piece of .., but it's actually a pretty
good effect; kind of makes you dizzy.  I'm thinking of sampling it and
seeing if I can make it really perverse.  But yeah, at first my tunnel
hearing didn't like it, but I got used to it pretty quick, maybe because
I've been exposed to other tunings.

Russ
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:31:57 EDT
From:         Coleen Gallagher <coleeng@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: Making Some Noise
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david,
   I think part of the reason why terminator didn't generate boycots like
Ice-T is that some peoplehave the crazy notion that people would actually
think music has more an impression on people than movies.  And that people
also believe that people may actually do something said on some rap album.
   I could be wrong.  I'm not saying that's a good reason or excuse I'm
just saying what MIGHT be happening.
            Coll
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:15:18 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
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              "Leonard Watkins" at Jul 27, 92 11:53 am

>
> I was not much of a Buddy Guy fan, although i knew there had to be
> something i wasn't hearing ,he just didn't move me, however
> i recently got to see him at a fest in town and was i ever wrong
> he was incredible and without question one of the best blues guitarist
> and entertainer i've ever seen.
>

That's right, you've GOT to hear the man live... no recordings out there of his
electric stuff can capture what he's capable of... But this acoustic recording
is pretty amazing--of course it's really different from what you heard live.
This is pure roots, but I think it's deep stuff compared to a lot of what's out
there.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:09:16 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      Country music issue is not resolved!
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To have O' Conner sing "THE HAPPIEST GIRL IN THE WHOLE USA" is like Donna
Fargo singing "I have no hair".  This means that it does not fit in society as
we see it today.  Donna Fargo (to all you city slickers) came down with MS
back in the 70's & "The Happist Girl in the Whole USA" was a #1 hit that she
gaveup teaching after it became #1 on the Country charts.

Billy Rae Cyrus;like I stated in an earlier message; is likely to become the
next Elvis and have a dance that will be more famous than Chubby Checker's
Twist. In other words;Achy Breaky will be the #1 dance craze in America's
dance halls.

So to keep with the times; learn the Achy Breaky and get down and dance.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:01:00 EST
From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
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Mike Masuda says:
>Of course, if you don't like songs of emotional content, and songs that
>make you dance around, and songs that make you think about things other
>than boy-meats-girl, then Pete will probably not turn you on.
          ^^^^^
Freudian slip???? B)

Phillipe says:
>Let's keep a minute of silence for dear old Frank Zappa, who died due to
>a cancer problem.

Has anyone heard anything concrete on Zappa? Or is this just another death
rumour? Phillipe, please identify your source!

-Adam
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:10:00 PDT
From:         alva moore stevenson <ECZ5AMS@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Any listeners of Hendrix or Dolphy?

Are there any listeners of Jimi Hendrix out there?  I've been a fan since
the age of sixteen and enjoy exchanging information on the man and his work.

Also--are there any listeners of Eric Dolphy?  My father went to school
with Eric here in Los Angeles in the late 40s so I hear many stories and
anecdotes about him.  Would be interested, as would my father, in
exchanging information.  There is an Eric Dolphy interest group here in
the Los Angeles area but I don't know too much about it.

Alva Moore Stevenson
ecz5ams@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Subject: Re: vocalizer
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 05:00:54 GMT


In a previous article, "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny" () says:

>Mike MM says:
>>A vocalizer or vocoder is a complex signal processor requiring two
>>sound inputs.

>>For example, let's use a human voice and a piano for the two sounds.
>>the human voice is sent through a signal splitter, which sends the
>>voice to 15 to 30 locations, each having a bandpass filter.
>>Each bandpass filter takes care of a specific band in the audio spectrum
>>(e.g., filter 1:  20 hertz - 50 hertz,
>>              2:  50 Hz - 100 Hz,
>>              3:  100 Hz - 200 Hz,
>>              4:  200 Hz - 500 Hz, etc., up to 20,000 Hz.
>etc......

>How about an easier explanation. It's that doohickey you hear at the
>beginning of Aerosmith's "Sweet Emotion" and Peter Frampton's "Do you Feel
>Like I Do." It makes the singer/talker sound like a space duck.

  Sorry Adam, but that ain't a vocoder at all. That's a Heil Talk Box
(or maybe another version of the same thing). Those are simple enough
that most people can make one with a P.A. horn driver and a length of
surgical tubing. A vocoder is quite a bit more complex than that.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:17:11 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Nothing important -- I just felt like chatting ...
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              Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny" at Jul 28, 92 12:08 pm

So somebody tell me, who's James McMurtry?
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:55:29 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      re: Dylan
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Bob Dylan could never be noone else but himself because is is as bad as it
get.

The Achy Breaky will be the dance of the 90's.  I predict this to happen.
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:18:20 PDT
From:         MikeMasuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: George, Paul, John... or Paul, George, John...
              17 Jul 1992 13:31:00 CST from <PR0271S@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>

I stand corrected.
Paul Reiners says that in "Beatlessongs",
Paul, George and John is the cyclic
order in which they play the solos in "The End".
Oompa Loompa Dippity Do...

Mike Masuda.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:10:35 EDT
From:         "David M. Geoghegan" <imagesys!dmg@UU.PSI.COM>
Subject:      Reggae Sunsplash
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	HI
	Just got my schedule for the splash and figured you guys might be interested.
 These are most of the top reggae perfmormers in the world. Shows start at 11
 each night and continue till somewhere between 8 and 11 am.

	Tuesday

	Carribean World Beat Night

	Yasus Afari
	Garnett Silk
	Donovan/Foundation ( I don't know maybe??)
	Bankie Banx
	HUgh Masakela
	Cidade Negra
	Splash Band
	Second Imij

	Wednesday - Vintage Night

	Sly & Robbie
	Ras Michael
	Judy Mowatt
	Stranger Cole
	Scottie  (probably not)
	Melodians
	John Holt
	Derrick Harriot
	809 band
	Big Youth
	Abyssinians
	Delroy Wilson
	Ken Boothe
	Tamlins
	Mighty Diamonds
	Leroy Sibbles
	Heptones

	Dance Hall (rap) Thursday

	City Heat Band
	Peter Lloyd
	Beenie Man
	Jack Radics
	Admiral Tibet
	Proffessor Nuts
	Leroy Smart
	Charlie Chaplin
	Ed Robinson
	Tiger
	Saggitarius Band
	Pliers and Shakademus
	Cobra
	Pinchers
	Capleton
	Cutty Ranks
	Buju Banton
	Super Cat
	General Degree
	Papa San
	Ninja Man

	SIngers night - Fri

	809 Band
	Brian and Tony Gold
	Marcia Griffiths
	Beres Hammond
	Coco T
	Mykal Rose
	Steel Pulse
	LLoyp Parks
	Richie Stevens
	Frankie Paul
	Dennis Brown


	International Night

	Mystic Revealers
	Skool
	Carlene Davis
	Wailing Souls
	Barrington Levy
	Daddy Fred
	Heavy D
	Junior Reid
	Aswad
	Lucky Dube
	Culture
	Sugar Minott

					Party On
					Dave
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:02:00 PDT
From:         Christopher Harry <IZZYFC1@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Hendrix tune

     My favorite Hendrix tune? Toss-up, really: 1983 (A Merman...) or
Machine Gun. Machine Gun is just an incredible song- probably definitive
Hendrix at his best. (Of course, no Hendrix song is really bad..)



                                            Chris
                                            izzyfc1@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:37:25 PDT
From:         MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: rap
              24 Jul 1992 08:14:42 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

I think Muhammed Ali and Nipsey Russell had
something to do with the origin of rap...

I think the next thing in the step of rap evolution
is fusion rap.
I can see Alan White playing Manchester
and John Anderson chillin' like a homeboy onstage
tryin to rap with his unnaturally high pitched voice.
Or, someone like Pat Metheny playing with Ice Cube...

Wouldn't that be interesting?
Seriously...

Rap is cool, but it is way overplayed on MTV.  It would be
refreshing to hear and see other genres of music other than
rap and metal on there.  Whatever happened to jazz?
Or Laurie Andersen?  Or any of the early performers
in jazz and blues who performed in front of a camera
soon after the turn of the century?
How about some of the more obscure Beatles videos, like
"Penny Lane", "Strawberry Fields Forever", "Paperback Writer",
and "Rain"?  What about performances by Weather Report or
Genesis (with Peter Gabriel)?  Is videoplay based on whoever is
touring at that time, on upcoming releases, or what??
What about feature length music movies, like "Tommy", "200 Motels"
"Uncle Meat", "Song Remains the Same", "Help!", "A Hard Day's Night",
"Yellow Submarine", "Home of the Brave", "Sign O the Times",
or any of those Kate Bush videos?  Too provocative for the masses?
That's what I'd like to see, but in the corporate
world of TV rock muzak, my voice is hardly heard.

Anyone care to add to this quip?  Or are you happy with
the stuff they play on MTV?  Does anyone watch MTV anymore?

Mike Masuda
(Yo! MTV's cRAP)
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:37:09 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Sky is crying

We had one real-blues club here in B'ham, and through the years they
have brought Koko, Roy Buc., Musselwhite, A.C. Reed, Robert Lockwood,
C.J. Cheiner....etc, but now they've closed forever supposedly the
fire dept closed them (after many years), but the bank that owned
the building had been trying to buy/force him out of his lease, it's
looks like they did. Now there is no blues-club occasionally one club
books Anson another opened up with Marcia Ball and booked Tinsley Ellis
every few months, but now they're a "dance-club" it ought to be against
the law to saturate the air-waves and clubs with dance music it irritates
me severely. It was in me and had to come out..sorry
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From:         Celso Nardi <RVD1@C53000.PETROBRAS.ANRJ.BR>
Subject:      For MetalManiacs only

Hi folks!

Does anybody there knows a Brazilian Trash Band named ATTOMICA ?

If you like to get some info, send me a e-mail (to me, not to list)...

BTW, is there some METAL list I can subscribe?

thanks,


-Celso Nardi    (bass player)
 e-mail:        RVD1@C53000.PETROBRAS.ANRJ.BR   (bitnet)
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:31:44 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Lyle Lovett

Saw Lyle Lovett on austin city limits i like his style and his band is
there anyone who could recommend a album by him. Also i listened to
SRV quite a bit this weekend and watched the Live at elmacombo video
i bet there's a hell of a jam going on with Jimi, Duanne, and Stevie.
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:40:00 GMT
From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: crazy thought

>>
>> This is just a crazy thought that i had to throw out. I wonder what the
>> possibilities of us netters getting together and picking a record that
>> is/was nor overly popular and telling all our friends (and ourselves)
>> to purchase this record and with the wide scope of the net i wonder
>> how far up the charts we could push this record. I'd be great to really
>> pick a dog and propel to the top. What are your thoughts ? crazy huh
>>
> The only thing crazy about this is ever agreeing on a record... "I can't
>feature it" as my brother would say.  But it's a great idea--I'm game.

        Me! Me! Help ME!!! I have the record - my CD is going to be out in
a few weeks and I DO need help... :)
        Of course, I am joking. But the point is that the scope of the net
is possibly not SO wide when you try to talk people into spending some money,
methinks...
        If you want to speed me up into the charts I'll gladly sit and watch
anyway, and then send very nice gifts to every Allmusicer, you can rest assu-
red...

        Ciao, Marco
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