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From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: breastfeeding and nipple rings
Date: 21 Jul 1992 16:02:59 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Jul21.014831.941@trentu.ca>, xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
|> Stephanie, I have heard some anecdotal evidence about
|> nursing with rings. I have not heard anyone mention that
|> they, or a friend, or even a friend of a friend, tried
|> and it didn't work out.
|> 
|> You have to leave the rings in all the time or the holes
|> will start to close, so you need small rings that can go
|> in the baby's mouth. This can be done apparently. I'd guess
|> that it matters whether the pierce involved the areola,
|> but that is also a guess.

I don't know personally know anyone who's tried this, either, but my 
nipples really change in size and shape when I nurse, and stay that 
way for a few minutes afterwards. They more than double in diameter, 
and look just like one of those 'Nuk' bottle nipples. If I did have 
a small ring in one of them, it certainly wouldn't fit at that point.
What would you do then, Kate?

|> I also guess that a woman who had let her pierce close,
|> with lots of scar tissue, would be much more likely
|> to have a problem.

Is there more scar tissue around the piercing after it heals over?
I would think that the _surrounding_ scar tissue would be there before 
healing closed occurred.

|> Anyone who knows more than this, do let me know; I
|> plan a short section in the FAQ.
|>
|> Kate

After all the pain I've suffered in nursing, here's a complicating 
factor I'm grateful not to have! (The pain is *finally* getting better--
I don't know what I would have done without the Medela pump to give me 
a break. So now I'm suffering from a pump-induced excess supply. What 
do you do about that? To taper off the supply, you have to suffer with 
engorgement. This is just like pregnancy--one problem becomes bearable 
just as another, rises to take its place! Fortunately the following 
problem is never as bad as the preceding one. And it is worth it.

Paula 
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: rollo@bonzo.Xylogics.COM (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: good news!
Date: 23 Jul 1992 09:42:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Just wanted to let you all know the good (great,
fantastic, etc.) news we got on Monday:

Isabel had her long-awaited (they wanted to wait
till she was 6 months old) check by the pediatric
geneticist and she is FINE ("a winner" according to
the doc). We felt that everything was okay, but
this makes it as official as can be. Didn't realize
how anxious we still were until after it was over,
and the weight of all the worrying just lifted.

(oops, sorry - for those of you new to misc.kids, Isabel
has a chromosome translocation, discovered by amnio, and
there was some risk of clinical problems)


MORE Good News: At 6 mos. (minus one day) she is *finally*
sleeping through the night (it's been a whole week now).

All in all, a wonderful week so far!

-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M16585@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Safety Switchplates
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:36:17 GMT

In article <70484@apple.Apple.COM>
scott@apple.com (scott douglass) writes:
 
>
>
>Where do you get them?  Which catalog has them the cheapest?  I mean
>the ones that replace the existing faceplate and are springloaded so
>that they slide closed when the plug is removed.  Thanks.
>
>		--  maggie
 
Well,(gee, I seem to be using that word a lot)  The Safety Zone sells them
for $3.95.  There is a store in Tysons Corner Shopping Ctr, Virginia.
 
You can get a catalog by calling 1-800-999-3030.
 
I'm not affiliated and this is not an ad
 
Ellie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shan@cray.com (Sharan Kalwani)
Subject: Looking for a soft ToyBox
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:09:17 CDT

hello folks!

i am searching for a ToyBox for my kid... this is the kind that is
sorta round/octagonal in shape and is very soft (made of fabric/
foam padding for walls). On the exterior there are the latters of 
the alphabet. I have been searching all the toy stores in my area
but ot no avail. Apparently this is available only thru
mail order houses but i don't know of any. Can someone point me 
in the right direction where to find these? I have seen these
with friends (who have since moved) and they were available in
Red, Green and Blue inidvidual   colors.

All pointers  appreciated!
-- 
Sharan Kalwani, cri, 2000 town center suite 2350, southfield mi 48075 
phone:    (313) 576-3948				(313) 335-5580
internet: shan@cray.com 		uucp:  ...!uunet!cray.com!shan
From: lauraf@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 24 Re: ready to try for 2nd
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:22:26 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <92211.35550.L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (STAFFORD, KD) writes:
>
>For the first poster:  A digital thermometer is fine for taking and charting
>your temperature (as told to me by my ob/gyn).

I used a digital thermometer for 18 months for taking my temperature. It worked
great but - be sure the one you buy measure to .10 degree, most use .20, which
may not be fine enough for your use. (The only difference between normal
mercury thermometers and basal thermometers is the finer gradation). Also, the
first digital one I bought didnt work. For a few days I used both the mercury
and the digital, and they didnt coorelate. The second one I bought worked fine.
>
>For Chris Himes:  I agree with you.  I found it much easier and very
>accurate to use the cervical mucus method to determine ovulation.  I found
>out about it from a book I picked up called "Choosing the Sex of your Baby".
>We really wanted to have a girl so we read the book and had been trying to
>follow the listed methods.  Anyway, judging from the cervical mucus method
>(and a particular pain I was feeling) I was able to tell pretty much exactly
>when I was ovulating.  That was July 6th......low and behold I am now almost
>6 weeks pregnant.  A funny thing my doctor told me is that no matter whether
>you know the date you conceived or not, they still count your weeks pregnant
>from the first day of your last period.

For people who want/need even better signs, might try getting a speculum,
mirror and flashlight. It is even easier to see what is going on by looking
at your cervics. I got mine for $5 at a local womans clinic, and they also 
taught me how to use it, and what to look for (for the price of an office 
visit). The speculum is the plastic disposable variety, but can be reused (on
the same person, of course).

I was doing Donor Insemination for my first pregnancy, and needed to be as
accurate as possible. I also had weird cycles and wanted some assurence that
this was a good cycle before trying the insemination. I used BBT, self 
exams, and urine tests.

Laura Floom
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: soberg@think.com (Stephanie Oberg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Why Is Peeing Yucky?
Date: 28 Jul 1992 16:29:46 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: quicksilver.think.com

In article <1992Jul28.141259.28406@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>
>Actually, urine is sterile.  One tip I got for treating emergency cuts
>during camping trips in the wild is to clean them with urine.  

     I've heard the claim of sterile urine before and don't see how this 
     could be true.  A person with a urinary tract infection by definition
     does not have sterile urine.  Schistosomiasis (a parasite) can be
     transmitted through urine.  Perhaps the urine of a completely healthy
     person (with no asymptomatic infection) is sterile in the bladder -
     but how can it avoid being contaminated as it exits the bladder? 


-- 

sojourner
From: CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Presents for 7-10 y.o. boys
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:04:33 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I need some suggestions of appropriate gifts for boys about 7 to 10 years
old.  These guys recently got a PC and like games, but I don't know much
about what type they like.  I know they enjoy board games, too, and are big
fans of Chicago sports--Bulls and Cubs.  What about science stuff, any
suggestions?  Ideally, I would like to spend only around $20.  I don't have
a lot of experience with young boys, not ever having been one.  My husband
is not much help--all he like s to do is fish.....(another post all
together!)

Chris Himes
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:34:18 GMT

>On 29-Jul-92 in Re: Use of drugs during labor
>user Clare Chu@nynexst.com writes:
>>  Just curious, have you experienced both epidural
>>  pain and labor pain?  Perhaps you can tell us which
>>  is better.
>

  Thanks for all the replies.  I guess it depends on the
  particular labor.  I'm personally scared of them sticking
  anything into my spinal cord (irrational fear of slip
  disk or paralysis).  Some of you have said that you had
  problems due to closely spaced vertebrae or doctors missing
  the first time.  Does spinal fluid leak out?  Also, my
  little sister witnessed a delivery where the epidural
  tube had slipped out and the lady was given a forcep
  delivery even though she complained that the epidural
  wasn't working, the doctors didn't believe her and thought
  she was whining.  Only later on afterwards did they
  discover that the tube wasn't even in place.  The lady
  was a doctor too, can you imagine that?  My sister was
  only the lowly medical student and the only one to believe
  her, but couldn't do anything but watch in horror.

  I suppose if you've been laboring for 10 hours, it's probably
  worth the epidural pain.  It's frankly scary reading about
  the 10+ hour labor and the 2+ hour pushing, now that I
  know what it's all about.  I remember short intense pain
  that didn't last too long, and some extra pain during
  pushing, but I only had 1/2 hour of it, so I was happy
  that they didn't give me an epidural for only an hour's
  worth of labor pains.  However if it were to last 10+
  hours I'd bet I'd be willing to try anything and forget
  about being scared of the needle.

  Do people prefer Demerol or an epidural?  My OB seems to
  think Demerol is a great drug to give.  She says it makes
  you happy to be in labor.  Of course in my case she didn't
  show up in time to give it to me.

Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
From: rabbit@leland.Stanford.EDU (Aleta Hanna)
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:21:21 GMT

>2. Read lots of success stories, here is one:
>   Once I found out I was O-neg (ofcourse my midwife checked this during
>   pregnancy) I started to dread the 'big injection' afterwards. I heard
>   the thing is painful.
>
>So there is no need to panic and turn into a nervous chain-smoker :-)

This is the second refrence I've noticed stating how awful the Rhogam
shot is.  I have had several of them, because I am O neg.  I don't
remember any of them being any more painful than any other shot.
Perhaps they are for some people, people feel things differently.  Just
wanted to say on the net that a Rhogam shot may not be exceptionally
painful for you, it wasn't for me.

Aleta

*************************
Aleta Hanna
Maps and Records
Stanford University
rabbit@lindy.stanford.edu
*************************
From: cathl@odin (Catherine Lyman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Spider bites and children
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:25:03 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <22531@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com  
(Sandra Mergen) writes:
> 
> My 22 month old daughter is getting bitten up by spider bites.  The
> doctor says that it's a common brown spider and that it is prevalent
> right now.  We live in El Segundo (Los Angeles county).
> 
.....> 
> Has anyone else had this problem with spider bites?  How BIG are these
> spiders?  Will Melissa's reaction get worse and worse after each bite
> incident?
> 


We have the problem here in the SF Bay area. I haven't seen the
spiders actually biting anyone, so they must not be in the 3/4 to 1.5"
range!

It is important to wash the area and disinfect it to avoid infection.
I use a "sting extractor" to suction out the stuff the spider puts
under the skin. It helps a lot to reduce the reaction. (I use it on
my own flea and mosquito bites, too.) It looks like a big syringe, 
without the needle. My son hates it, but it really helps.

One time, my son got bitten on his face. Within hours, he was 
hardly recognizable. The doctor gave him massive antibiotics because
the bite was close to his eye. It took three days for the swelling
to go down.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Looking for Roma ...
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:42:55 GMT

Misc.kidders -- Sorry about the excess bandwidth use here ...


Roma --

I tried to email a response to your message on alternatives to spanking,
but got it bounced back -- I was mailing to refosco!romal and got a
bad system name:refosco response.  Do you have another email address?

-- Misty
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: First-day jitters in day-care
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:08:35 PDT

Maybe some of you have already been through this and can calm me
down. :-)

My eight-month-old just went into day-care Monday; a babysitter
in her home. Malcolm stopped drinking from a bottle when he was
six months, but his primary milk source was me anyway. He still
nurses like a champ, also eats strained fruits and vegs and drinks
juice in little sips from a cup. He's never drunk great amounts of
juice BTW.

Yesterday the sitter called in a panic; Malcolm hadn't drunk milk
at all from the cup, just spit it out. He managed about3-4 oz of
juice, but otherwise seemed uninterested in liquid. He ate more
than usual, about a jar and a half. It was a warm day and we're
all worried about dehydration.

When I picked him up he seemed fine; was fine all evening, increasing
middle of the night nursing a bit (probably to compensate), but
continued to nurse and eat heartily.

I'm concerned about his liquid intake. Maybe I don't need to be,
but I'm pumping 9oz of milk a day and he's not showing interest
in that at all, except for occasional sips. One must assume that
with me at home he would normally ingest that amount. This decrease
in milk consumption concerns me. Maybe he'll get what he needs by
comsuming more when I'm home (since he clearly prefers me) but should
I relax and assume that's the case?

This morning his sitter says he has a bit of diarrhea; this is unusual
for him but it might be a) the change in situation; b) the change in
milk consumption and increase in strained foods; b) something else.
Is this something to be concerned about now, or should I wait a few
days to see if things stabilize?

I tried Malcolm on a bottle again last night and of course he
won`t take it; from me (maybe because it's me) he'll take a bit
of milk from a cup but he makes a face and clearly finds it odd.

And suggestions welcomed.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:47:21 -0400 
From: "Lisa M. Smith" <ls3q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sleeping on Stomach
	<22932@oasys.dt.navy.mil>

No matter how much you love to sleep on your stomach (I do too) try not
to, even after the baby is born.  I have slept on my stomach for as long
as I can remember, but between the added stress of carrying and bearing
a child, and sleeping on my stomach night after night, I have really
hurt my back.  My sacro-illiac joint (in lower back) is frequently
painful and sometimes my sciatic nerve hurts the way it did when I was
pregnant (and my son is now 3 1/2).  My advice is, if you can learn to
sleep on your back while pregnant, try to continue to do so after the
baby is born.
From: ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Staying home with my baby (doing MAC work) anybody need anything?
Keywords: home, baby, Mac work, cottage industry
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:02:01 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

My co-worker is taking her MAC home to be with her baby.  While many
are still undecided- Barbara has finally decided to do what's right
for her family.

If any of you need charts, invitations, homework or whatever- help
her become part of the cottage industry so that she can stay home
with her baby.

She's very conscientious and might take you out of a pickle by helping
you put something together when all the MAC shops are closed!

	She's Barbara at:

	718-886-0643

		MAC mothers Unite!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Bradley Classes
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:55:05 GMT

In article <131566@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> miki@aftac1.llnl.gov (R. Miki Moore 423-9712) writes:
>
>Reid in article <92206.35249.L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>
>summarizes the differences between bradley and lamaze methods
>with the statement:

>>Many of the "Bradley moms" that we've met have used 
>>Lamaze previously and found it inadequate.  I don't 
>>know if there's a similar phenomenon in the opposite 
>>direction.

Objection, your honor!

I summarized the differences between them in two paragraphs
preceding this one.  This was just an observation from my
limited experience.

>i had a better experience after lamaze training than
>bradley. my first birth was with bradley training, my second
>with lamaze. the bradley training proved to be inadequate
>to deal with a very difficult first birth. it could have
>been the instructor. i have talked with others who loved
>bradley and their instructors seemed to give them more
>"tools to use". i had no way of dealing with the
>long and excrutiating labor pains of a posterior facing 
>baby. the lamaze training seems to give me more options
>to use during labor.

Thanks for the information.  I'm sure a lot of it depends on the
quality of one's teacher.  Our Bradley teacher was a woman who had two
kids without any preparation, then three with Lamaze, then four with
Bradley (yes, that adds up to nine).  Boy, did she know a lot.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: raek@athena.mit.edu (Robyn A E Kozierok)
Subject: Warning re: Yutodar for preterm labor
Summary: doesn't help, may be dangerous
Keywords: yutodar, preterm labor
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:54:58 GMT

I saw a posting in usa.today.health which I will not copy here (becuase it
is copyrighted) but anyhow the gist of it was that the drug Yutodar is often
successful in postponing delivery for up to 48 hours; however, it has been 
found not to have any positive effect on the baby's survival, or it's health
in the next year and a half.  It has also been found that the women who took
the drug were more likely to suffer chest pains than those who did not.  This
was based on a 7-year study published in the NE journal of medicine (today's
issue, i believe, 7/30).

I don't know anything more, but thought this might be relevant for some
people here.

--Robyn
(no kids, but I was one once)
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:Going out when ill (was: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Date: 28 Jul 1992 14:20:47 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


About all this talk about kids being around other sick kids, let me add
more to your worries:

If you are around sick people, you too will be taking germs home.

If your SO is around sick people, s/he too will be taking germs home.

If you have more than one child, and the older one is in school, the
older one will be bringing germs home too.

If you have guests, and they have been around sick people, they have
just brought germs into your house.

Most viruses are contagious and spreadable before symptoms appear.  By
the time that one child at daycare has come down with it, removing that
child is too late to prevent the spreading of germs.

By far, stress and paranoia, IMNSHO, is much worse than viruses.  And
the only way to keep children from catching things is by isolating all
people that come in contact, either directly or remotely, in a sterile
environment (I think I saw this in a movie once ;-) - and therefore
dying of starvation because germs also can be spread on food packaging.

-Shirl
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Funny things we do: 1 week
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:04:23 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>though.  Just as she was lifting me up to slide the new diaper
>underneath me, I let go front and back at the _same_ time.
>
>I didn't manage to hit mama, but I got the new diaper, the covering
>diaper, the fresh cover on the changing table, and the wall behind my
>changing table.

How about Carrie at 5 days?  She had to go to the doctor to be catheterized
for a urine specimen. (Some tests in the hospital had shown possible
problems.)  As the doctor was trying to get the catheter in, Carrie
let go with both barrels, and got the doctor, the nurse, the sterile
field (Not any more!), the sterile specimen bottle,the catheter, the
examining table AND the floor!  Luckily they had Mom holding her from
the head end!

Ballistic poop indeed!

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, almost 2! and Carrie, 5 weeks
From: brett@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Brett K. Carver)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Why Is Peeing Yucky?
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:34:57 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA

In misc.kids, sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:

> Actually, urine is sterile.

It may be, but it contains a LOT of stuff that promotes bacteria growth.
Every seen (or smelled) an unflushed (urine only) toilet after a couple of
days?  There's something growing in there...

Note: sterile does NOT mean clean, good for other uses, etc.

> One tip I got for treating emergency cuts
> during camping trips in the wild is to clean them with urine.

It would have to be pretty dirty for me to try that.

I think I'll wait for a stream, thank you.  What, no water you say?
Then I've got more important things to worry about that a dirty cut.

							Brett Carver
							brett@sr.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids