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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Originator: wjf@rs2
Keywords: TV advertisement
Organization: Harris Controls
 <1992Nov10.165957.20907@engage.pko.dec.com> <49496@shamash.cdc.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:24:05 GMT


Hi all,
   I think I have the answer to the GTE commercial question.  I saw it
on Monday Night Football and got the last three quarters of it on a tape
I had sitting in my VCR (missed the first 5-8 seconds because of the lag
time of getting the VCR rolling once I heard the click-click-click).  I
usually try and keep a tape in in cases like this.  It will probably be
aired again Monday, but I will continue being on the lookout perhaps on
Sunday football.  I only saw part of it and haven't reviewed it yet, but
I am almost 100% positive the coaster was Psyclone at Magic Mountain. 
Think about it.  Strange coaster cars, wood twister, and most of all,
most commercials are usually shot in California.  Magic Mountain and
Santa Cruz are naturals.  I also don't think the lady is Lucy (again
almost 100% sure of this).   What do you all think?  Am I right?
   Speaking of commercials I did get surprised several weeks ago.  When I
had Marlon Scott over to do some dubbing, we were looking through one of
my newer tapes.  It had the Dr. Pepper commercial on it.  I just love it.
 Well, he said it was filmed at Coney Island.  I was sure it must have
been Santa Cruz because it was sooooooo pretty.  My mistake I guess.  Did
you all catch that this was Coney?
    Finally on commercials, I will have another post on another matter. 
My mother-in-law said she has seen another commercial for Gravity mens
cologne.  She said there was a coaster in it.  I hope we can catch this
one.  I have not seen it though.

		Keep on tapin'	

		Bill "8 days till Dallas" Figie
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Busch Gardens, Tampa coaster
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:34:15 GMT


Hi all again,
    Yesterday, Busch Gardens, the Dark Continent in Tampa. FL
announced that they were putting in a  new coaster for the 1993
season.  I am sorry, I did not see the TV news announcement on it (I
did get all my VCRs running to tape last nights news and hopefully I
got something on it) and I didn't get a paper today (yet), but I was
called by a friend in Orlando that did see it on the news.  He said
the only thing he could tell about it was that it was a six looper.  I
don't know if it is like Drachen Fire, or different.  If it is Arrow,
B&M or who.  They even announced the name.  I will probably have more
information on it either tomorrow or Friday.  I had written BG several
times asking them to include ACE in their announcement plans and also
in other activities leading up to its opening.  I hope they do decide
to include ACE in its grand opening celebrations.  Eventhough it is
steel, it still is a now coaster for Central Florida.  The last new
steel coaster in Central Florida was the Wiener Looping coaster almost
8 years ago, and it has been gone for about 5 years now.  More when I
know.  I hope that BG at leasts sends me some official information on
it in the mail.

		Bill "make mine wood" Figie
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From: sld@cbnewse.cb.att.com (steve.l.dennis)
Subject: Texas Giant III
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:15:38 GMT
Keywords: See y'all Thar!

Well it looks like I'm Texas bound next week. This will be my first ACE
event and I'm looking forward to meeting the troups. I've never ridden
the Texas Giant before so I'm really excited! I did ride the Judge Roy
Scream the last time I was there.

Just a few reflections about ACE membership....

I joined last spring and while it does take some time to have your application
processed, it's well worth the wait! The publications you get with membership
are interesting to read. I would recommend ordering the Harry Traver book
that ACE sells. 

Well, anyhow, I hope to meet some of you in Dallas.....I hope it will be
warmer than Chicago.

Steve Dennis

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From: mhoesing@cwis.unomaha.edu (Michael Hoesing)
Subject: Physics and coasters
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:46:35 GMT

 I am working on a project involving roller coasters, and am in need of
some infomation on the physics of real-world coasters.  I know of a series
in RollerCoaster! on coaster dynamics, but do not have those issues, and
it looks as if they are sold out.  Are these articles any good?  And if
so, where can I get them?
 Any information at all would be great!
 
 Thanks,
  J.J. Hoesing
From: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: THIS JUST IN....KI's Top Gun coaster
Date: 13 Nov 1992 01:34:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David A. Johnson)
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In a previous article, tdlowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Tony D. Lowe) says:

>Wasn't The Bat, which was at KI in the early 80s, a [suspended] coaster?

Yeah, it was.  Unfortunately, it had a bunch of design problems and they
decided to get rid of it.  I never got to ride it; I'd be interested in
hearing the opinions of people who actually rode it, though.

>I've been waiting for years for a hot new coaster at the Island; since the
>year after the Vortex was built, in fact.  And Adventure Express sure as
>hell didn't fit the bill.  It's a piss poor excuse for a coaster; the KI
>railroad is more of an adventure.  Anyway, where is the new coaster going to
>be located?

Hey, don't slam Adventure Express!  Next time you're there, ride it in the
very back seat.  Maybe it doesn't have huge hills, but a ride in the back
seat is quite violent--almost brutal.  I have to respect a ride that seems
to have rider comfort as one of its last conerns; it just flings you around
with surprising force.  Of course, if that's not for you, you can ride it
up front.  It's not as good up there--much more serene.

The new ride looks like it'll be to the right of the Timberwolf
amphitheater, across the monorail tracks and in the woods.  I'm not sure
how they'll get people back there, but that's where I saw a pile of track
and heavy equipment when I was there last.  Perhaps they'll have some
catwalk-type arrangement, as they use for Adventure Express when you have
to cross the service road.

>  Tony D. Lowe, The HapMaster  BITNET:   tdlowe01@ulkyvx.bitnet
>  University of Louisville     INTERNET: tdlowe01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
                 ^^^^^^^^^^

Hey, Louisville!  Thunder Run at Kentucky Kingdom...  Now there's a
happenin' ride.  I rode it about 25 times in a couple of hours this last
summer.  What fun!
-- 
_________________         David "Buddy" Johnson         _________________
      "I'm       \     aq009@cleveland.freenet.edu     /   ...no one
   looking for    \       "The Beast is always        /  seems to have." 
    something...   \       lurking in ambush."       /     -Mudhoney
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From: sysop@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton (Supervisor))
Subject: Doogie and Collosus
Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:32:53 GMT


	Anybody else catch Doogie Howser riding Collosus last night?  There 
was about 1:00 of footage (POV, external and reaction) of Doogie and his 
date on Collosus at SFMM.  Sure is one beautiful coaster!
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From: xor@clotho.acm.rpi.edu (Joe Schwartz)
Subject: TG minus 2 weeks and counting...
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:48:41 GMT

Texas Giant III is only two weeks away!  How many of you are going?
Perhaps we should all wear Ethernet bracelets so we'll recognize each
other... :-)
-- 
Joe Schwartz       E-mail: xor@acm.rpi.edu
MapInfo Corp.
200 Broadway       Disclaimer: "Everything I know is wrong."
Troy, NY 12180     Corollary:  "Nothing I say represents MapInfo Corp."
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Georgia Cyclone (Was Re: B&M trains)
Keywords: TV advertisement
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:24:40 GMT

Ren(dall) writes:

>He said they rode well too...although the Psyclone ain't much of a
>ride (in his opinion)...especially compared to the Georgia Cyclone, and
>the original...
>
>
>Rendell (who rode the Georgia Cyclone 5 days ago, and still aglow)

Isn't it a killer??  I *love* the GA Cyclone!!  It really rips
in any seat, but really shines in the very front and very back
(sort of like the Phoenix).  Even the racheting lep bars stay
up for the ride.  My former #1 woodie...


Buck, who hopes more people ride this coaster (it got bad press
after the 1990 ACE Spring Conference at SFoG).
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From: Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Roller Coaster Book Worth Reading?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:18:54 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov11.142131.14216@ccd.harris.com>

>If it is the book I am thinking of, it is a rather thin book of
>probably only 100 pages.  It seems to have been written mainly for
>younger people (maybe ages 10-14).  What I mean by that is that it
>really doesn't get very deep into the subject.  I think it was written
>by some woman (used to be a member of ACE at least at one time).  Do
>you know the authors name.  I have a copy of it at home and I will try
>and remember to look it up in the next couple days.  It is really not
>that bad of a book and to the best of my knowledge it was accurate.
>Try looking up Amusement Parks in you library.  A real good book to
>get your hands on is called the Great American Amusement Park by Gary
>Kyriazi.  It is a rather old book (over 10 years old) but is still
>full of great pictures and information about the history of old and
>some new parks.
>
>        Bill "any book on roller coasters is good to read" Figie


Another great place to look for information on coasters and amusement
parks is the Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature.  There are
literally hundreds of articles listed for the past several years under
these two topics.  Not all of the articles are good, some are just short
blurbs, but you'll come across a number of in-depth articles this way.

Tom "Anything on roller coasters is good to read" Obszanski
     ^^^^^^^^
     slightly amended here.
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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:56:09 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Summary: Coaster spotted in TV advertisement
Distribution: usa
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: TV advertisement


While watching that incredibly tense Monday Night Football game last
night (for those who didn't see it, the 49ers beat the Falcons 41-3), I
saw an ad for GTE featuring a roller coaster.  The ad featured a calm
older lady riding the coaster with her hands up (Lucy White, perhaps?)
while being interviewed by the rather freaked out host/announcer.  I'm
not sure what points were being made about GTE, because there was a lot
of commotion in the house, and I was busy trying to identify the
coaster.

The coaster featured PTC trains with headrests, though the headrests
were covered with fake fur covers.  I'm not sure why that was done,
probably some art director's idea of what a coaster should look like. 
In a few of the long shots, you could see that all the cars on the train
had been enclosed in white boxes, making them look rather strange.  I
assume this was done because the trains had distinctive coloring/logos
on them, and this was supposed to be a ``generic'' coaster.  The wood on
the coaster was the ``natural'' color.  The coaster wasn't big enough to
be the Mean Streak or Texas Giant.  From some of the POV footage in the
commercial, it looks like a pretty good coaster, with a pretty good
whallop (you could detect a few laterals in some of the shots).

Now, my totally ignorant, stab in the dark guess would be that this
commercial featured Thunder Run.  Can anybody out there confirm or deny
the identity of this coaster?

(GTE had bought lots* of ad time on Monday Night Football, but I only
saw this ad once.  If you missed it, you might get a chance to see/tape
it next week if they're buying time consistently.)

Geoff ``Air time'' Allen

p.s. Yes, the pun is quite intended. ;^)

--
Geoff Allen          \  Please remain seated and keep your hands and arms
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  above your head at all times.  Enjoy your ride.
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Best in the east
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:49:29 GMT

Tom "Mr. Remorse" Obszanski writes:

>The "craziest roller coaster in the east" will definitely be Great
>Adventure's Batman The Ride when it opens next May.  If you're more
>interested in a woodie, Wild World's Wild One is my current favorite.
>Two weekend trips to the park and dozens of rides on the coaster have
>placed it in first place on my list of favorite rides (the Phoenix at
>Knoebels Amusement Resort drops to a very strong second).

I have to agree -- the WILD ONE is outstanding.  It also
bumped my former #1 wooden coaster (the Georgia Cyclone)
down to #2!!  My Top 10 now looks like:

 1 Wild One
 2 Georgia Cyclone
 3 Rattler
 4 Le Monstre
 5 Conneaut Blue Streak
 6 Phoenix
 7 Coney Island Cyclone
 8 Williams Grove Cyclone
 9 Yankee Cannonball
10 Lake Winnie's Cannon Ball


I also suggest Knoebels as an excellent traditional amusement park.
I also like Williams Grove very very much (but it's VERY traditional,
don't go if you're expecting a King's Dominion-type park!!). 
Kennywood is also a sure bet for an awesome time.


Buck
From: Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Whalom Park -- 100 Trees for 100th Anniversary
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:51:04 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <Bx7n6x.2KJ@nic.umass.edu> <1992Nov5.142428.6195@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
  <BxDt34.3sF@nic.umass.edu> <1992Nov8.205459.14567@engage.pko.dec.com>

>The woodie at Whalom Park (COMET FLYER, or FLYER COMET,
>whichever you prefer, I've seen it referenced both ways)
>is a really nice, enjoyable, very traditional wooden coaster.
>It would surely make ACE's "Classic Coaster" listing, had
>the park not modified the PTC coaches with seat dividers.
>
>It's one of the few woodies in Amercia which still gives
>a "traditional ride".  It FEELS like you're riding an old
>woodie -- not like some woodies which are old by date,
>but which ride like brand new rides!  The COMET FLYER is
>a Layered Figure 8 pattern, with nice drops, great flat
>curves, and a nice fan curve ending.  Definitely recommended.

It also has some bits of suprise airtime, and a good dose
of lateral G's on the fan turn before the brake run.  The
Comet Flyer/Flyer Comet is one of those rides that proves a
coaster doesn't have to be 150 feet tall to deliver a great
ride.

>Also recommended at Whalom is their (very rare) FLY-O-PLANE
>ride.  Very wild if you can get the technique for spinning
>the cars correct.

Oooooh boy, is Buck right here!  Whalom's FLY-O-PLANE, the first and
only one I've experienced, is a must-ride for anybody who loves spinning,
flipping, disorienting rides.  On one ride, I managed to flip the plane
over 200 times (I know because that's how many times I saw the ground
upside down:-)  On the previous ride, I wasn't able to flip the plane
at all, which proved to be VERY exasperating.  The trick seems to be to
keep your body dead-center in the plane, if you're off-center it's near
impossible to get a flip going.  If you get a clockwise spin going (from
the rider's point of view) you're in for a GREAT ride!


Tom
From: scott@svl.cdc.com (Scott Gerken)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Keywords: TV advertisement
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:40:37 GMT
Distribution: usa

buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com writes:

>(formerly painted white, now sandblasted natural wood!)

Don't want to be picky but, you cann't sand blast wood.  Since wood is soft
the sand would remove both the paint and some of the wood.  They probably burned
the paint off.  That is how we do it on the trolley car restoration project
that I'm involved with.
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From: VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: THIS JUST IN....KI's Top Gun coaster
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:28:10 GMT

In article <1dquluINNm3n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell) writes:
 
>Well just heard this as the radio woke me up.  On 107.9 THeEnd in
>Cleveland, the new reporter said that Ki is now Paramount KI, as
>stated in the earlier post, and that their new ride will be called
>TOP GUN, not Son of Bat or STAR TREK - The Ride.  The train's cars
>apparently will be little models of planes in tribute to the movie.
 
Oh great, shaped like planes, kinda like the Flight Commander.
 
Rick Marquardt
From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: THIS JUST IN....KI's Top Gun coaster
Date: 11 Nov 1992 12:35:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Well just heard this as the radio woke me up.  On 107.9 THeEnd in
Cleveland, the new reporter said that Ki is now Paramount KI, as
stated in the earlier post, and that their new ride will be called
TOP GUN, not Son of Bat or STAR TREK - The Ride.  The train's cars
apparently will be little models of planes in tribute to the movie.

Well I don't know how GOOD the planes will look, but I'm hoping for
the best.  The DJ's didn't seem to impressed, they played DaDa's
"Going to Disneyland" after the announcement.  hehe =)

Mike
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Coaster spotted in GTE ad
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:32:52 GMT


I'm back,
  Just wanted to post that I went back and watched the GTE commercial
again last night.  I am now 99.9% sure it is Psyclone (I hardly every
say 100% on anything - been burned too often saying things like that
about the computers and software I work on).  Also, woman is definitely
not Lucy White or any ACEer I know of.  I wonder where they found an old
lady that like to ride coasters that much.  I remember about 8 years ago
I was involved with a British commercial making company.  They came to
Boardwalk and Baseball and filmed a commercial (my wife and I were paid
minimum wage and acted as technical consultants - i.e. we were supposed
to be used as background on the train but they filmed with only the four
actors).  Anyways, they had a stunt man and lady as the mother and
father actors.  The lady was actually the double that did some of the
more dangerous shots in the movie Going Undercover (Was originally
titled Yellow Pages).  Anyways, after about 10 different rides on the
coaster and not getting the correct shot, she got sick.  My wife gave
her some of my wifes Dramamime (sp?) so she could continue.  In all, I
think the lady made about 20 circuits on the coaster.  So I can only
imagine the old lady in the GTE commercial must have made several rides
on that coaster also.  

	Bill "I still need to find a whole GTE commercial" Figie
From: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: KI in local news
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:07:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
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In a previous article, rettigca@ucbeh.san.uc.edu () says:

>Correct me if I am wrong (and I am sure you will) but our local NBC affiliate's
>news (in Cincinnati) just stated that King's Island's new coaster (suspension)
>will be called Top Gun and not Star Trek or S.O.Bat. They even showed video
>tape of a suspension coaster that was black and yellow with fire engine red
>trackage. Is this Big Bad Wolf? (If it helps there was a thing that looked like
>a tannish mountain- presumably artificial -in the background)

It was probably the Vortex at Canada's Wonderland.

-- 
Pete Babic  -  pab@po.cwru.edu          ///
LIVE TO PARTY, SKI TO DIE!!!           ///  /\
Member of ACE                    \\\  ///  /--\MIGA  
(American Coaster Enthusiasts)    \\\/// MS-DOS or a Mac? What's that?
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: Re: Roller Coaster Book Worth Reading?
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:21:31 GMT


In article <1dpnrhINN2h5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, mac18@po.CWRU.Edu
 (Michael A. Cornell) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Today I was browsing around my school's library network, and I saw
|> that they had but one book on Roller Coasters =(.  1.5 million
|> volumes and only ONE COASTER BOOK!  It was called "The Incredible
|> Scream Machine : A history of the roller coaster".  It's an '87
|> book, so it's not that out of date.  Just wondering if it's worth
|> the trip down to the library to find this book.

If it is the book I am thinking of, it is a rather thin book of
probably only 100 pages.  It seems to have been written mainly for
younger people (maybe ages 10-14).  What I mean by that is that it
really doesn't get very deep into the subject.  I think it was written
by some woman (used to be a member of ACE at least at one time).  Do
you know the authors name.  I have a copy of it at home and I will try
and remember to look it up in the next couple days.  It is really not
that bad of a book and to the best of my knowledge it was accurate. 
Try looking up Amusement Parks in you library.  A real good book to
get your hands on is called the Great American Amusement Park by Gary
Kyriazi.  It is a rather old book (over 10 years old) but is still
full of great pictures and information about the history of old and
some new parks.  

	Bill "any book on roller coasters is good to read" Figie
From: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Roller Coaster Book Worth Reading?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 14:02:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: pab@po.CWRU.Edu (Pete Babic)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell) says:
>
>Today I was browsing around my school's library network, and I saw
>that they had but one book on Roller Coasters =(.  1.5 million
>volumes and only ONE COASTER BOOK!  It was called "The Incredible
>Scream Machine : A history of the roller coaster".  It's an '87
>book, so it's not that out of date.  Just wondering if it's worth
>the trip down to the library to find this book.

It's an ok book with some pretty good pictures. I don't know if I'd buy it
but it's definatly worth a trip to the library.

>
>Mike "thinking about all the snow coming to Cleveland" Cornell
>mac18@po.cwru.edu
>

Can't wait to "ride" down those frozen, snow covered hills!!!  :)

-- 
Pete Babic  -  pab@po.cwru.edu          ///
LIVE TO PARTY, SKI TO DIE!!!           ///  /\
Member of ACE                    \\\  ///  /--\MIGA  
(American Coaster Enthusiasts)    \\\/// MS-DOS or a Mac? What's that?
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