HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dshctd@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.S. Hulings)
Subject: Re: NEC detectors, B&O Baltimore division (Second Posting)
Originator: dshctd@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:32:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.205733.4920@gw.wmich.edu> 31ochs@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <9208110157.AA09598@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, FBCB@IUNSYS.IUN.INDIANA.EDU writes:
>
   [text of Dave's request re location of CSX detectors deleted]

>location      MP     type Location of indicator, or personell reading chart
>
>Western Subdivision:
>Fitzhenry     290.8  AD   See Division managers circular
>West Newton   295.9  JDD  "   "        "        "
>
>
As of last summer, there was no detector in West Newton that I knew of
(my in-laws live there)... at least not one that can be heard on
CSX's mainline frequency (160.230 MHz).  What is the "type"
designation (AD, JDD, etc.)?

Incidentally, I don't know whether this is typical of other CSX
detectors, but the Fitzhenry detector is quite verbose!  It
announces the milepost and track number before the train passes,
then announces it again after the train passes, along with the
defect information ("no defects"), the train length, train speed,
and total axle count.  Then, it repeats it all again!  It's also 
interesting that CSX engineers are required to call out all
signal aspects on the radio as they are encountered, but they
are not required to acknowledge the detector's announcement.
(On CONRAIL, it's just the opposite.)  

>
>Fred Ochs
>31ochs@gw.wmich.edu  (vax)
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>A DASH 8-40CW with a little imagination ;^)

Fred, these are very creative... do ya have a GG1 or an
AEM7 in your collection??!!

--

Dave Hulings

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: ``Railroad Days'' on the Black River and Western
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:17:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.123550.26093@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
johna@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (john.a.welsh) writes:
 
>The history of the line is that the Flemington - Ringoes - Lambertville
>portion is a Pennsylvania RR branch line (off of the Bel-Del) and
>the Flemington - 3-Bridges portion is CNJ.  The  Conrail line is
>Lehigh Valley, so until BR&W needed a connection, there would have
>been no interchange at that point.  I believe that most of the BR&W's
>freight originally came in at the Lambertville end off of the Bel Del.
 
And the Valley had its own branch into Flemington, which I believe has been
torn up.  I can even remember passenger service on that - that is I remember
seeing it in the timetables, never rode it.
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Restroom Closings on Amtrak (Was: My Amtrak Vacation)
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:58:56 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Derek Morgan writes:
> 
> I believe that Amtrak has the installation of holding tanks as a high
> priority
> for its fleet overhaul. As cars go in, they are being retrofitted. This also
> means that slumbercoaches will disappear, since there's no way to add holding
> tanks for 22 (?) rooms.


While on the topic of toilets, I recall reading in Trains a while back that the
State of Florida was going to ban Amtrak from thei state if Amtrak didn't get
holding tanks installed on their cars.  This was a very broad statement.  What
ever came of that?


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From: debbie@b11.b11.ingr.com (Deborah Spencer)
Subject: Amtrak train from Chicago to Florida planned?
Reply-To: debbie@b11.b11.ingr.com (Deborah Spencer)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:41:27 GMT



I heard recently that Amtrak was planning to have a train that runs from
Chicago to somewhere in Florida (Tampa/Miami), that would go through
Nashville and Atlanta (on CSX lines).  Can anyone confirm this?  If
it is true, does anyone know where it might stop, and when it might
be in operation.

I heard this from one of the operators at the depot railroad museum
in Cowan, Tennessee, which is on one of the main north/south CSX lines,
which continues on south through Stevenson, Alabama.

I remember many years ago, a train (I think it was called the Floridian)
Went from Chicago to Florida with stops in Indianpolis and Birmingham.

Any info would be appreciated.
--
	Deborah Spencer 			Intergraph Corp.
	debbie@ingr.com 			Huntsville, AL
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: gregg@pinot.zehntel.com (Gregg Fuhriman)
Subject: Re: British Columbia Railroad
Reply-To: gregg@pinot.UUCP (Gregg Fuhriman)
Organization: Zehntel, Inc. Walnut Creek, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:02:30 GMT

>
>to "Steam" fans, another passanger (tourist) service between North Vancouver
>and Squamish B.C. using ex CP Royal Hudson Steam Engine #2860 and several

Yes, its a beautiful locomotive.  I did not ride the train when I was there
last year, but as I was wandering around it taking photos, the engineer waved
me up for a tour of the cab.  The BCR is a friendly railroad !
					Gregg Fuhriman

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: mcr@cactus.org (Mike)
Subject: Anyone Riding on the Texas Challenger from Houston to SA?
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:43:22 GMT


I and my SO will be riding this coming weekend for the Challenger II leg,
first class, dome.  Anyone else from out of state or in state coming down
for this trip?  Maybe we can meet or somethng.  If so, send EMAIL, rather
than posting.  thanks...

Mike
mcr@cactus.org
From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Note on Newport News Wreck(now Lock)
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:53:57 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Hudson Leighton writes:
> 
> The problem I have seen with the new "Sargent" locks is that the keys
> are VERY easy to make.  When they first showed up in Minnesota
> there were never enough keys so the RR employees discovered that for one
> RR a 5/16 inch cotter key with a slot worked great and for another
> a 5/16 inch bolt with a little grinding works just fine.
> 


Uh, you are right...I (we) have done the exact same thing.  'Course, you must
see an original to know where the notches are.

(Never ceases to amaze me just HOW MUCH railfans actually know about railways!)

                - Steve
:)

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From: nolan@lurch.twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw)
Subject: Re: CSRM news, July 27 edition (yeah, we're running a little behind...)
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Somewhere West of Nowhere
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:27:49 GMT


In article <cvmfl97@Unify.Com>, raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling) writes:
[material about SN 402 deleted]
|>    Railtown 1897 Background
|>    ------------------------
|>
|>	A little background on CSRM's latest addition...Railtown 1897
|>	State Historic Park at Jamestown.  The Sierra Railway was incorporated
|>	in 1897 and at its peak operated 76 miles of standard-gauge
|>	track between Oakdale, Tuolumne and Angels Camp.  The road's
|>	seen decades of use for western movies and TV series.  26 acres
|>	at Jamestown including the historic roundhouse, shops, 10 miles
|>	of trackage rights, two steam locomotives and 40+ cars were
|>	acquired by DPR in 1982 by purchase and donation from Charles
|>	Crocker.  Larry Ingold (dba: Sierra Railway) is DPR's current
|>	intrepretive concessiionaire and operates profitable weekend
|>	steam passenger trains almost year-round.  There is a small
|>	Raildown 1897 Docent Association.  The active 49-mile freight
|>	service between Oakdale and Standard is owned and operated by
|>	Silverfoot (dba: S.R. Investors) of Chicago.  Jamestown is
|>	one of the country's last intact and still operating turn-of-the-
|>	century railroad shop complexes.  A must see!

Is there any talk of acquiring SRR # 30 from PLA and returning it to
Jamestown? That little beauty deserves a good restoration and a return to her
old home.

--
Nolan Hinshaw
Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197	
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From: gerald.henriksen@rose.com (gerald henriksen)
Subject: VIA response to CN de
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:08:06 GMT
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Date Entered: 08-20-92 21:03
C<>Yesterday morning (Wednesday, Aug. 19) a CN freight derailed near
C<>Les Cedres, just west of Montreal Island, blocking the line used
C<>for VIA's Montreal-Ottawa and Montreal-Toronto services.  The
C<>line is still blocked today, as some cars carrying propane are
C<>leaking.

According to today's (Thursday) Toronto Star CN expects the line to be 
shut down for at least 2 days.  A tank car carrying 60,000 gallons of 
propane was leaking at the rate of 1 gallon per minute.

C<>VIA's response to this was to cancel Montreal-Ottawa service and
C<>replace it with buses.  Montreal-Toronto passengers are being bussed
C<>between Montreal and Cornwall, which has become the temporary
C<>terminus for train service to/from Toronto.

Also according to the Toronto Star CP Rail has agreed to let VIA Rail 
passenger trains use its track until the CN line is back in operation.

Gerald
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Subject: Re: Speed of Portland LRVs
From: Robert Chambers <RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 12:53:12 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: CUNY/UCC VM Systems

In article <1992Aug18.074410.5530@panix.com>, tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot
Simon) says:
>
>
>Isn't this the cause for lower speed limits on some sections of Metro North
>track that parallel I-95?  A question in re that -- I recall being on an
>extremely late Night Owl about a year ago, at least an hour late into Stamford,
>which made Penn about 3 minutes late.  Are some of these kind of limits relaxed
>after normal driving hours?

Not really, When running late the MN trains can use this stretch to
make up a little time.. Due to delays leaving GCT I have been on trains
going at least 75mph on a stretch of track next to I95 (near Larchmont)

Normally the trains don't need to run at maximum allowed speed since
they have a nice cushion of time for travel built in.
(Which we discussed at length a month ago)

More often than not the trains run about the same speed (perhaps a
tad faster than the traffic but bear in mind the average speed of
the traffic in this section is probably around 60 mph)

>Thor Lancelot Simon      tls@panix.COM

Robert
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: CZ94 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: CN electric locomotives
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:33:18 GMT

A few weeks ago, I said in a posting that the English Electric
boxcab locomotives (built 1924-26) used by CN for Montreal-
Deux Montagnes commuter service had been retired.  This turns
out not to be true.  Yesterday I rode a train pulled by EE
units 6716 and 6723.

Also still in use are General Electric boxcabs dating from the
construction of this line (1914-1917), GE steeple-cabs from 1950,
and Canadian Car & Foundry MUs from 1952.

The oldest coach I've ridden on this line dates from 1923, the
newest from 1954.

Tom Box
CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: wes@uf.msc.edu (Wes Barris)
Subject: Re: Snowsqualmie Falls, WA Train Yard?
Reply-To: wes@msc.edu
Organization: AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Center
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:17:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.161625.7167@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com>, johnm@hpmcaa (John Mosbarger) writes:
|>  
|> Tom Vervaeke (tvervaek@col.hp.com) wrote:
|> >  
|> > ANyway. Upon entering the little town there was a decent sized
|> > collection of railroad hardware along the road.  There were at 
|> > least 1/2 dozen steam engines in various stages of rusting, a
|> > good selection of railroad cars, etc.. I was in kind of a hurry,
|> > but did not see a museum.  The local area has a logging history
|> > so perhaps there was a railroad here in times past (maybe even
|> > now).    
|> 
|>      My wife and I were there in 1976, so my memory will be somewhat in-
|> complete.  It's the Puget Sound & Snoqualmie Valley RR, a tourist line
|> that originates from the old NP depot in Snoqualmie.  They have quite a
|> collection of "hulks," and have been plagued by a shortage of volunteer
|> help (compared to the number of items needing restoration).  When we were
|> there, they were running an ex-US Plywood 2-6-6-2 on a short section of
|> track, but have acquired quite a bit more track since.  Most of the equip-
|> ment we saw was logging-oriented, but there are a few "mainline" pieces,
|> such as an ex-GN or NP rotary snowplow.

According to my list, they have two operating steam engines:

Number 70, a Rayonier Lumber Company 2-8-2 and
Number 11, a United States Plywood 2-6-6-2 as John stated.

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From: stev@vax.ftp.com  (stev knowles)
Subject: usefule information for finding the good spots
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: NS/CONRAIL at Hagerstown, MD
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:55:35



i will be in maryland in a few weeks attending a wedding (hi, john!). i know
that a big interchange between NS and conrail happens in hagerstown
somewhere. can anyone provide details on what is where and how to get there?
good locations to photo froom would also be useful. areas to stay way from
because of local rules or places one can get close would also be appreciated
 . . . .



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From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:15:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.113854.14814@husc3.harvard.edu>
finney@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
 
>
>Hi,
>   Anyone here know about the Lamoille Valley RR in Morrisville,
>VT?  We're planning a trip to Lake Champlain and would like to
>include a visit to a RR for the fans in the family. Is this a
>steam train? I guess the Green Valley in Bellows Falls is diesel
>now, eh? Any information is appreciated.
>                          Thanks in advance,
>                            Cynthia Finney
 
HURRY UP!!!
 
The Lamoille Valley trip, a one-of -a-kind, is running on Sunday, 23 August.
It is sponsored by Carl Fowler of the Rail Travel Center, 9 Congress Street,
Saint Albans VT.  Don't know the phone number, but I think he has an 800
number that perhaps you can get from Directory Assistance.  CALL HIM NOW if
not sooner.  I think the trip is already sold out, but it wouldn't hurt to
ask. The Railroad itself will be running shorter trips in the fall foliage
season, roughly early Setmeber through late October, out of Morrisville.
Again, I suggest you phone for details, in this case to the Lamoille Valley
Railroad in Morrisville.
 
What's this "Green Valley"?  I suspect you mean Green Mountain!  Yes, it's
diesel, with first generation Alcos.  The Lamoille Valley, unfortunately, is
also diesel, but I am not sure what exactly their locomotive(s) is (are).
 
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Speed of Portland LRVs
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:35:47 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <92231.125312RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>, RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Robert Chambers) writes:
> >Isn't this the cause for lower speed limits on some sections of Metro North
> >track that parallel I-95?

Frankly, I'd expect the railroads to push for higher speeds, as
better publicity -- ``cars are legally limited to 55 mph; we go at
79 mph,'' etc.  Certainly, the Metro North ads on the radio around here
have stressed the amount of road construction going on.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: cal@ee.ryerson.ca (Calvin Henry-Cotnam)
Subject: Re: VIA's excellent, Amtrak sticks bigtime
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:16:06 GMT

In article <92230.140055IACECO@ASUACAD.BITNET> <IACECO@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>I have enjoyed reading the discussion on VIA and wanted to ask another VIA-
>related question( and can't figure out how to send a new note).   I plan to
>travel from Montreal to Windsor next month and wanted to know is it worth the
>extra money to travel any or all of it 1st class?   I also don't know how much
>extra it is yet since it's not so easy to find out anything about Canadian rail
> travel in Phoenix, Az.   I also plan on going from Sarnia - Montreal and if
>there's anything noteworthy about that, I'd love to know also.   Thanks.
>Ed Oetting

Here is an example with fares from Toronto to Montreal.

$98 adults for first class and $72 adults for coach.
Note that there is a 40% discount available for coach fares on
off-peak days (anything but Fridays and Sundays and holidays)
provided tickets are picked up at least 5 days in advanced.

In coach seating, there is a complementary beverage and light meal
(ie: soft drink and sandwich).  In first class there is a full course
meal (with wine for lunch or dinner).  The seats have more room in
first class and when departing from Toronto, Ottawa, or Montreal, there
is a very nice lounge for waiting.  At terminal points, there is
pre-boarding available for first class.

As for obtaining information, the phone number in Toronto is:

             416-366-8411

This number has a touch-tone accessible information system for
schedules, fares, and other information, but pressing 0 at any time
connects you with a real person to answer questions or make
reservations.

I hope this is of some help.

Calvin Henry-Cotnam, CATE            |    MY CANADA INCLUDES CANADIANS!
Ryerson Polytechnical Institute      | I would really like this to include
Toronto, Ontario, Canada             | Quebec - but I won't hold my breath.
From: ken@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Ken Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Any Britrail experts out there?
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:52:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.railroad
Organization: Bugs-R-Us



In article <1992Aug17.215606.242@unixg.ubc.ca>, banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji) writes:

#		Any Britrail experts out there?
#
#  PROBLEM: To travel from Vancouver to Bradford.

How about flying to Prestwick and travelling south via Carlisle and
Settle? You get to avoid London, see Glasgow, and ride the Settle and
Carlisle. 

-- Ken "tour guide" Johnson

p.s.  it's British Rail, not Britrail.  To us oldies it is still
`British Railways'. 

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From: Steve_Hooper@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Hooper)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: British Columbia Railroad
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:48:12 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world


> Ron Coleman writes:
> 
> Is anyone out there knowledgable about the BCR (British Columbia
> Railroad)?  I'm trying to find out some info about their operations
> (partly out of interest, and partly for modelling).  For example,
> when I was railfanning in West Vancouver last week (such trips are
> too few and too far in between) I noticed that almost all the freight
> cars heading north out of North Van are either BCR or Procor (chemicals??)
> I presume that many of these are empties related to the forest industry
> since that comprises the bulk of BCR revenue, but why no other companies
> cars?  Do they specifically dissallow other cars, or is there simply
> nothing going north on the BCR?  What is so special about Procor?
> There does seem to be a mix of cars in the North van yard, including
> CN, CP, BN and others.  Does BCR repackage incoming stuff onto BCR
> cars to go up north?  Any information on this or any other aspect of
> their operations would be greatly appreciated.
> -- Ron Coleman


The majority of BCR's traffic is from the pulp and paper industry and thus
requires special cars (bulkhead flats, pulp box cars etc) of which BCR has a
sizeable fleet.  Thus they do not need to lease and other cars for that
purpose.  However, if a carload of furniture is going to Quesnel from, say,
Seattle, yes it'll be in a BN (or whatever) car and no, it is not transferred
to BCR cars.  It is just that BCR's traffic is so specialized, you do not see
many foreign cars.

As for Procor, who knows?  Procor is a car leasing company (like CGTX, Trailer
Train etc) and perhaps BCR has a special agreement with them to lease and cars
needed with them ONLY...I do not know.  I would doubt it though....and train I
have ever seen over there has had a solid chunk of BCR cars, then a fairly wide
mix of leased/foreign cars.

Remember also that the majority of their traffic is loads South, empties North.

This is a fantastic company...I wish I worked for them.  They are making lots
of money, they deal with the train crews in a fair way, and are a dynamic
company in general.  One of the few government-owned entities that the old
Social Credit government did not sell off (privatize) since they make money
regularly!


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 steve_hooper@mindlink.bc.ca   []  Conductor on the High Iron of
 OR      a777@mindlink.bc.ca   []     CP Rail - Cascade Sub
 The Great White North in      []
 Vancouver, BC CANADA          []   Opinions are mine, NOT CP's