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From: randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: getting a life
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:56:59
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
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In-reply-to: an127@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 14 Dec 1992 23:17:18 GMT

Haven't you noticed?  This *is* life.  We're just trying to make art
out of it.

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: an127@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Korac MacArthur)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: getting a life
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:17:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an127@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Korac MacArthur)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, gpeel@mta.ca () says:

>In article <1gaug3INNotj@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, an127@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
> (Korac MacArthur) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, gpeel@mta.ca () says:
>>
>>> To all of the repressed nerds, I have carefully sifted through this trash 
>>>and have come to the conclusion that all of you need serious psychological 
>>>treatment or try getting ount in the real world. In short get a fucking life!
>>>
>>	I know,   William Shatner says this in an old Saturday Night
>>Live!   Who says we need a fucking life, we have trivial pursuit (one and
>>the same?)!
>>
>>	don't you worry about it peel old bean, the world will still
>>turn tomorrow, even with us "repressed nerds" on board.   Stereotypes
>>can be hazardous to your health.
>>
>>-- 
>>Hey, George.....Nah na na na, NA NA NA NA,  HEEEY   HEYYY HEY,
>>GOOOOOODDDDBYYYEEEE!!!!!!   (and good riddance)
>>
>
>	Well it's nice to see someone reply to my message. By the way
>Korac (what kind of name is that anyway) my name is not George, I thought all
> of you Cyber-punks spent all of your time on your computer not watching T.V?
>		**** George as in the soon to be ex prez, a waste of
protoplasm if there ever was one **** 
  
>	But onto something new, I've had a look at this work called Agrippa and
> I have to admit it sucks shit, it's just a bunch of repetative trash! 
>

-- 
Hey, George.....Nah na na na, NA NA NA NA,  HEEEY   HEYYY HEY,
GOOOOOODDDDBYYYEEEE!!!!!!   (and good riddance)

Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6678 sci.electronics:20859
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:40:17 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In sci.electronics, mdk@col.hp.com (Mark Keisling) writes:
> What will you people do if someone calls from a payphone?

In interesting fact for Caller ID users that few people seem
to know:

    Pay phones usually have a 9 as the middle digit of their
    number.  e.g. 238-9123.

Curt
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (E)
Subject: Re: GET A LIFE; FREAKS; NEW IDEA
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:44:40 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, gpeel@mta.ca said about 'GET A LIFE; FREAKS;
NEW IDEA': 
|In article <168BE7B9A.SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU>, SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU writes:
|>In article <1992Dec14.224512.103@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>
|>gpeel@mta.ca writes:
|> 
|>>
|>>        It's Mt.A not MAT butt-head.
|> 
|>Oh! Butt-head! It appears I've hurt the feeelings of a little neo-
|>nazi freak. So what was your toilet training like? How do you
|>feel about your mother?
|>                                        -- St. Morphine
|
|
|	I don't see how being proud of my school makes me a "neo-nazi", please
|elaborate. Also do all neo-nazis you know have bladder problems or warped
|feelings towards their mothers?

Take this shit to email.  

--

    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: morpheus <morpheus@entropy.mcds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Caller ID
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:49:45 EST
Organization: No Pity For The Majority!  [private]

ratner@owlnet.rice.edu (Logan Joshua Ratner) writes:

> Questions, Questions. Answers?

comp.dcom.telecom...


morpheus@entropy.mcds.com ("morph")   |   A name changes toys into tools..
Obsolete diety for hire.  Cheap.      |          - Skinny Puppy
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: cfuentes@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Carlos A. Fuentes Jr.)
Subject: Re: new idea
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:14:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.181523.2113@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>
 z_huntercj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: [But not necessarily in this order...]
>                                 FAR RIGHT
>                         Articles of Confederation
>
>     This is the manifesto of a new organization. We are dedicated to the
> ending of all liberal and in general stupid ideas. We have been formed to
> counteract the influence of the Bill Clinton and the rest of has gang,
> which some of you citizens were conned into believing and then electing.
> We are one of the few true voices left in this country today, and hope by
> our words and actions to overpower the incorrect ideas that have been
> sold to the World in the last few years.
[followed later by]
>  Article II
>       The Confederation does not recognize any leftist organizations,
>   including communists, democrats or any socialist groups.
>       The end of all leftist groups is to be one of the main concern
>   on the Confederation, we will stop at nothing to insure our success.
>
>  Article III
>       We will not tolerate any form of subversive lifestyle, this
>  includes but not limited to homosexual, liberal, and any anti-American
>  behavior. We consider these to be the main problem factors in the

Somebody shined up their jackboots today, huh?

>     Many programs that have been started over the last sixty years have
> gone against the founding ideas of our government and country. We are now
> starting to feel the affects of these programs. One such program is
> welfare, it was set up as a temporary solution and not a way of life.

Not that I'm taking this drivel too terribly seriously, but
you might want to know that Bill Clinton was _for_ reducing
welfare dependence.  Know thine enemy, the good book sez :)

-Carlos

[quoted article written by Orion, lost original sig]

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: hgray@mta.ca
Subject: Freaks
Reply-To: hgray@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:22:19 GMT

You guys are a bunch of fucking freaks.  Get a life, or a job.  what kind 
of morons sit around and pretend that they are someone else?  I'll tell 
you who, losers with no self confidence, or any dignity.  You people 
should get a grip on reality, and quit living in an imaginary world.
Role the dice you fucking homos!
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:47:36 GMT

>to unbundle the message and display the number on you screen.  But wouldn't it
>just be EASIER to pay the ~$6.50/month and the ~$50 for GOOD display hardware??
>
>I think it is, so that's what I'm doing.  Also, does anyone know how long it
>will take the LD companies to jump on the band wagon and offer numbers of 
>INTERSWITCHED calls?? i.e. calls from another switch??
>
>-David Moye
>he caller's number by interpreting the 1200 baud signal"

I believe that with the ANI delivery, there is a display bit, which 
determines whether or not the call is being blocked.  If it is, the display 
bit is turned off.  Seems to me like the Caller ID box could easily be 
modified to ignore the display bit (which pretty much renders ANY Call block 
features worthless, as you have no idea if the person you're calling has a 
modified box.)

Not sure though.


-- 
Chad Helfenberger
(chelf@lunatix.uucp) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: olson@dstl86.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson)
Subject: Re: Freaks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Mission Operations and Data Systems
Date: 15 Dec 1992 08:36 EST  

In article <1992Dec13.172219.25227@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> hgray@mta.ca writes:
>You guys are a bunch of fucking freaks.  Get a life, or a job.  what kind 
>of morons sit around and pretend that they are someone else?  I'll tell 
>you who, losers with no self confidence, or any dignity.  You people 
>should get a grip on reality, and quit living in an imaginary world.
>Role the dice you fucking homos!

There are those who say that reality is little more than what you're imagining
at the moment.  I guess you don't exist, because I can't imagine what it must
be like living in your parinoid delusion!

Dr. Forbin
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: kinsler@newton.physics.uq.oz.au (Paul Kinsler)
Subject: Re: AGRIPPA
Organization: Physics Dept. The University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:25:01 GMT

In article <Bz3wnM.M8G@acsu.buffalo.edu>, cri@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mr. PlEaSanT) writes:
|> 	This was mailed to me earlier today.
|> 	it's copyrighted, so i may just get in trouble for doing this.
|> 	oh well, so kill my article.
|> 	criss
|> 
|> enjoy...
|> 
|> 
|> AGRIPPA
|> (A Book of The Dead)
|> Text by William Gibson
|> Etchings by Dennis Ashbaugh
|> (C)1992 Kevin Begos Publishing
|> 1411 York Ave.
|> New York, NY
|> All Rights Reserved
|> 
|> ..................

I couldn't finish reading it. Dull, dull, dull.

Give me "Beowulf" or "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" any day.

-- 
+soluble fish+
"You people, you do not see the grandeur in the wind and stone and stars,
 in the blood and fire and iron - but paint only the flowers."
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby)
Subject: 800 numbers (Re: Caller ID block?)
Reply-To: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com
Organization: SoundSoftware, Bellevue, WA, USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:53:13 GMT

Laura Mollett writes
| You know, if you think about it for a second you coulda had more control all
| along.  I've always thought the phone co. had it a**backwards.  They charge
| me for a phone service, then give my phone number away for free.  If I want
| my phone number kept quiet, I PAY EXTRA for the "privilege" of keeping it
| out of their phone book.  So any idiot who can read can look up my number in
| the book and all those solicitors who want to call don't have to do any
| extra research to find my number.  Now I can PAY EVEN MORE to have access
| to the same information on the other side, while giving away the service I
| PAID to have (my private number) to every business I might consider ordering
| something from.  Sounds like a good deal to me <insert wry grin>.  I can say
| I'll never order anything by telephone again.  I'm on too many "lists"
| already.  All those calls I made for friends looking for the cheapest Mac
| equipment mail order?  Forget it.  Then each business (not just the one
| I ordered from) has my number.  Argh.  I think the only people getting a 
| real deals are the ones making money off this wonderful new tech.  The phone
| co. should have charged me to have my number IN the book (or mebbe paid me)
| and kept my privacy for free.
| 			Laura Mollett

I have no proof, but I remember reading that every business with a 1-800-  
number already has the technology to record the calling number.  Something  
about they have the right to know who is calling since they always get stuck  
with the bill.

The funniest thing is that, if this is indeed true, the biggest fear of the  
anti-CNID folks (a-CID freaks?) is already true.
-- 
Brian Willoughby	Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU
BrianW@SoundS.WA.com	Sound Consulting and Signal Processing Software
NeXTmail welcome	- NO EMAIL SOLICITATION without prior permission
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:07:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.164501.5444@lunatix.uucp> chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:
>
>EXACTLY.  Caller ID will NEVER change that.  Telemarketers are trained to be 
>persistant.  Just placing them on a kill list will not keep them from 
>calling.  People have to tell them to stop calling, and that requires 
>picking up the phone and telling them so; not avoiding them.
>
>
>
>-- 
>Chad Helfenberger
>(chelf@lunatix.uucp) 

This does not always work.  I personally have told all the arm forces
recruiters to 'fuck off' but with out no avail.  We need a system to
hide our true phone numbers.  So that the telemarket creeps will leave
us alone.  The crudest solution is to always use a pay phone for voice
and leave your other line just for data, and just let the creeps here
hiss.  

I am not sure if this has been discussed before; apology if it has.
When using a phone card service that requires you to call a number first
does a CNID recieve that number or the number you called from.  If it
sent the service number we have a solution to our problems, and if not
we have an interesting buisness oppertunity.  Libetarian Phone System,
"We Make the World Safe for Anarchists!"

+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Joel Carlson				|  History, read it and weep!
carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu        	| 
carlsoje@nxsci173a.mrs.umn.edu - NeXT   |
University of Minnesota, Morris         |  Kurt Vonnegut
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: v067rcyf@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Caller ID
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

okay, this is the impression i get after reading 6.02 x 10^23
caller ID messages...

you (collective) will not answer the phone if the number is blocked
you (collective) will not dial the phone without blocking your # first

therefore, if the other end follows your (collective) general philosophy:

they (youknow) will not answer your blocked call
they (youknowwhattheysay) will not call you without blocking

which comes full circle cuz you won't pick up their blocked call...etc

sounds to me like no one is ever gonna answer the phone again,
as mass paranoia sets in, but what i'm missing is, why not answer
the bloody phone anyway?  What's the worst that can happen?
You'll have to talk to aunt gertrude for an hour?  You'll have to
hang up on a telemarketer?
What makes everyone so afraid to answer their damn phone?
If you're that paranoid, an answering machine will do nicely,
caller ID will have little effect on anything, after all, the
few obscene callers out there can simply block their #.
(Besides, i always got a kick out of those obscene ones ;)...)

-------------------------------------aardvark
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6727 sci.electronics:21046
From: xyzzy@imagen.com (David McIntyre)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:35:52 GMT
Organization: IMAGEN

In article <BzEty1.A40@acsu.buffalo.edu> v067rcyf@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (AARDVARK) writes:

>really people, it's just a phone
>if people survived without knowing who was calling for the
>past few generations and stayed sane,
>i suspect our generation could do it too...
>unless we're getting too soft.

That's not a very cyberpunk attitude.  If you're in doubt, check the newsgroup
name.  The CP attitude is one of making the most of the available technology.
Caller ID is a new technology of which the ramifications have not been fully 
explored.  That is our job, as cyberpunks, to find out what these effects are.
Let's not lose sight of ouur primary goal.
-- 
My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.
..I'm not nearly as think as confused I am.
xyzzy@imagen.imagen.com
From: 00fwmyers@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Duluoz And E)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: RE: GET A LIFE; FREAKS; NEW IDEA
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:11:45 GMT
Organization: Guernica

In article <1992Dec15.163216.15077@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, gpeel@mta.ca writes:
> In article <168BE7B9A.SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU>, SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.224512.103@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>
>>gpeel@mta.ca writes:
>> 
>>>
>>>        It's Mt.A not MAT butt-head.
>> 
>>Oh! Butt-head! It appears I've hurt the feeelings of a little neo-
>>nazi freak. So what was your toilet training like? How do you
>>feel about your mother?
>>                                        -- St. Morphine
> 
> 
> 	I don't see how being proud of my school makes me a "neo-nazi", please
> elaborate. Also do all neo-nazis you know have bladder problems or warped
> feelings towards their mothers?

For someone who seems to hate this newsgroup and the people
  who read it, why are you here so often? WHy do you care
  period?
Duh, i should not have even posted this, it gets your pathetic rocks
  off....


-- 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: burtp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: My world (was: Caller ID block?)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:43:30 GMT


this thread has lead to the world of private vs. public debate.  The
previous poster (sory i didn't reference the article - i'm saving
bandwidth!) set up a world that sounded an awfull lot like a world
where Big Brother couldlive quite comfortably.

The distinction between public and private is not quite as defined as
you make it out to be.  There is information which is private within a
group, private within my head, etc.  I wouldn't want somebody
eavesdropping on the whispered conversation I had with my "loved one"
while walking in a public park.

Please don't take this to mean that I am against the freedom of
information.  I just feel that some information is private no matter
where it is communicated.

filbert


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:20:56 GMT

In article <28415@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes:
>The important issue is that everyone controls their own life.  If you
>don't answer the call because you don't recognize the number - and it
>turns out to be a loved one trying to call you from her death bed -
>then that's your problem.  Who are we to decide (or even debate) whether
>they should or should not have caller ID because they might or might
>not do the wrong thing because of it?

That doesn't invalidate the original question.  The orderly functioning of
society depends on _conventional practices_ which are, for the most part,
voluntarily set up, and the original inquirer was wondering what conven-
tional practices were likely to emerge.


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:36:41 GMT

In article <N1a1VB2w165w@entropy.mcds.com> morpheus <morpheus@entropy.mcds.com> writes:
>Look, I know people who will lose their primary hobby (making prank calls, that
>is) when CND is available here.  Perhaps you are similiar?  I mean, really.
>It is unconstitutional to have a little box saying who is calling you?
>Maybe it should be ruled unconstitutional to have "From:" lines in message
>headers?

To answer your question, 'No.  I do not make prank calls.'  You are either 
dodging the issue at hand or trying to make me look like a fool.  Either 
way, I don't appreciate it.  The REASON (as I have said several times in the 
last two days) it is (in its CURRENT form, anyway) is because most people do 
not realize they are in danger from others by not blocking their number.  It 
should default to not giving your number out.  

This is merely my proposal.  I'm sure that the Supreme Court will think 
in different ways.  It's either this or teach everyone to block their 
numbers unless they know who they're calling.  Seems to me that my idea is a 
little easier to implement.

>Perhaps it causes problems in certain circumstances.  I know there are times
>when I do not want my number revealed, but hey - there are ways of avoiding it
>if the need is dire enough.  But on a regular basis, I don't care if the person
>I call knows I'm calling, since they'll know in a matter of seconds anyway.
>If I call someone who doesn't want to talk to me, I save the potential toll
>charge of being told to fuck off.

Nothing to disagree with here.

>> then there must
>> be some sort of protocol which will be followed by called parties and 
>> calling parties.  WHY in the HELL would you want to give out your number to 
>> anyone you called?  Why don't you Caller ID freaks put yourself on the other 
>> end of the line for a minute.
>
>Why not?  Ok, maybe you're a loony-brain-tour-guide, and don't want your home
>number to be known by Jon Q. Nutcase.  So - don't call from home!  Or, if you
>must, set up something that you can call into your office and out on another
>office number.  No biggie.

Wouldn't it be (in the best interest of EVERYONE, not just techno-wizards) 
better to just not give the number out, unless you're calling a friend or 
someone you want to have your number?
-- 
Chad Helfenberger
(chelf@lunatix.uucp)
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:42:56 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

>Is there a posibility that the audio was not comming from the switch but
>comming through the wire as crosstalk?  i.e., was the other person using
>a phone in the same phone or the same building?

No, in fact the person wasn't even using the same switch as I was..
We didn't 'talk' much before I answered because our main idea was to interupt
the CNID box so I'm not sure if voice comes through well, pressing keys and
blowing a minature airhorn into the earpiece IS audible on the called
person's end.

--
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Clayten_Hamacher@Mindlink.bc.ca                 Land of the rising snow.
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From: kim3@husc10.harvard.edu (Jason Y. Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: *HEY! BROADCAST OF AGRIPPA TONIGHT!!*
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:25:20 GMT

Your "emperor's clothes" comment is totally unfounded.

I don't think anybody says, "Real cyberpunks read Gibson."
The fact that you think so shows how little attention you have been paying
to this newsgroup.

Personally, it is true that I drool over Gibson's work. But it's not because
everyone else tells me to. There is such a thing as a free mind. I read
Gibson before I even heard the word "cyberpunk."

Ever consider the remote possibility that Gibson's writing might actually
*deserve* the praise it gets? Like maybe it's inherently *good*, not just
trendy?

-- 


                              ~  Jason Y. Kim  ~
                                     ~=@=~
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk