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From: chris@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Christian Finger)
Subject: Re: Wren7 drives on HP9000/817??
Reply-To: finger@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
Organization: Computer Center, University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:31:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.140054.14848@innovus.com>, martin@innovus.com (Martin Renters) writes:
| We've recently acquired a Wren 7 disk (1.2G Seagate ST41200N/IMPRIMIS 94601-15)
| drive and it works wonderfully on the 300s and 700s, but the 817 we
| have doesn't want to write to it (well, at least not *most* of the time).
| 
| I have managed to mediainit it (no problems) and fsck a filesystem created
| on a 720, but when I try to newfs it on the 817 I get:
| 
| 	write error: 1013774
| 	wtfs: Invalid Argument
| 
| My /etc/disktab has the following entry added to it:
| 
| WREN7:\
|         :ty=winchester:ns#35:nt#15:nc#1931:rm#3600:\
|         :s0#1013775:b0#8192:f0#1024:\
[ s1-s15 are the same ]
| 
| Specifying only the s2 parition produces the same result.
| 
| The following entry works on the 720:
| 
| WREN7:\
| 	: 1.2G drive:ns#35:nt#15:nc#1931:\
| 	:s0#1013775:b0#8192:f0#1024:\
| 	:se#512:rm#3600:
| 
| 
| Any ideas?

yep.
| 
| Martin Renters				martin@innovus.com
| Innovus Inc.

If you compare the output of /etc/diskinfo -v <raw_device> on a s700 and a s800
you will see, that the values given for "blocks per disk" differ.
The s700 shows one block more than the s800.
Setting the partition size to 1013774 for s2 should do the job.
You can use that disk on s700 and on s800 systems.

Btw, mkfs will set different rotdelay values (see tunefs(1M)) on s700 and
s800 (trying different values by hand may give you the best performance).


Hope that helps,
	Christian

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> I need to port a graphics application written for SCO UNIX V.3 using the
> SCO CGI (Computer Graphics Interface) to an HP 9000/827. The program is
> written in C.
> 
> I need to know if this is possible using the HP GKS system, and if so
> what I will require. Additionally I need to know if it will be possible
> to run the applications over an Ethernet on standard IBM PCs with VGA/EGA
> type screens.

> theo@rascal.UUCP

The HP Starbase graphics library is a closer fit to the CGI standard than
GKS is.  Starbase was originally spun off from a VDI draft many years ago.
(VDI was an early name for CGI.)

The GKS and Starbase libraries don't have direct support for graphics on
PCs.  They do support graphics to X servers, so you could get the effect
by putting a software X server product on each PC.

Mike Stroyan, mike_stroyan@fc.hp.com
From: anderson@randolf.lbl.gov ()
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: HP-UX 9.0
Date: 3 Sep 1992 00:08:17 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: anderson@randolf.lbl.gov ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.196.7
Keywords: OSF

In article <1992Sep2.195002.29160@riacs.edu>,
okuyama@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Darin Okuyama YR) writes:
|> gdh@calmasd.Prime.COM (Gerald Hall) writes:
|> >I believe that OSF has announced that they are getting out of the OS
|> >business and that 1.1 (which is just a "bug fix" release of 1.0, which
|> >was based on AIX and is not a mach kernel) will be the last OS from OSF.
|> >This was written up in recent (July?) issues of both UNIX World and
|> >UNIX Review.  The current issue of one of these (sorry I get them confused)
|> >has a quote from someone at HP to the effect that HP has abandoned any
|> >plans for adopting OSF.
|> 
|> This is a cruel joke, right.  HP PLEASE SAY THIS IS A CRUEL JOKE!!!
|> A lot of people are going to need to know if this is true or not.
|> 
|> SPEAK HP!
|> 
|> Darin Okuyama
|> NASA Ames Research Center
|> 

I'm with you on this.  I sure hope what we are hearing isn't true.  I
can't help
but wonder if HP isn't drifiting back to it's SYSV roots...

Regarding Mach as an OS kernel: seems to me NeXT is running (seemingly
effectively)a Mach kernel (or derivative)?

What really confuses me:  I am a primary contact to OSF for Argonne National
Laboratory's OSF membership, and receive plenty of OSF literature, and still
can't make sense of this.  (Unfortunately, thanks to other project deadlines
I've not been on top of this as I should have - i.e., I've not been to
an OSF member meeting yet - but I'm sure going in November!!)

Anyway - OSF certainly sends out information on what it's up to,
including OSF course updates on, such things as "The OSF/1 MK Technical
Seminar"
("introducing the OSF/1 microkernel"), and OSF/1 internals courses reflecting
features found in the new OSF/1.1 release (citing performance improvements...).
And OSF Research Institute papers on specifications for future releases of the
RI's Mach Microkernel (Mach 3).  Sounds like they are still in the OS
game to me.

(And what the heck is DEC doing then - are they widowed with their OSF/1 and
going to assume all devlopment themselves?)

Color me confused.

	- Mark Anderson
	  Argonne National Laboratory (US DOE)

From: dhandly@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Dennis Handly)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:41:07 GMT
Subject: Re: BOT sensing on a 7978B 6250 bpi tape drive
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Cal Language Lab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

>/ knechod@stacc.med.utah.edu (Kevin Nechodom) /  8:00 am  Aug 27, 1992 /
>I have a 7978B tape drive that is not on maintenance.  Three days ago,
>it started missing the BOT mark during the rewind.  Yesterday, it was
>rarely able to find the BOT during the load, and today, what's a BOT?

BOT is the beginning of tape mark.  It is on one side of the tape and
the EOT mark is on the other side.

I assume that this is occurring for many tapes?  Otherwise it could
be just bad tapes.  I've had this occur for bad tapes.  I either threw
them away, or put new reflective BOTs on them.

Disclaimer: I'm not a hardware type, but why wouldn't a self test
indicate a failure with the sensor?
From: lecom@slhp1.epfl.ch (Claude Lecommandeur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: that HPUX cc compiler
Date: 4 Sep 92 07:34:11 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <4722@prcrs.prc.com>, paul@prcrs.prc.com (Paul Hite) writes:
|> 
|> HP gets a lot of grief from the behavior of their c optimizer.  I'm sure
|> that some of it is valid.  But a lot of the posts basicly say something
|> like:
|> 	I've got a program that works without the optimizer and fails
|> 	when I optimize it.  Therefore HP's optimizer is broken.
|> 
|> Here's a real live counter-example to that argument.  I wrote a replacement
|> to w and it worked without the optimizer and failed when I optimized it.
|> I reduced the program to a tiny example that also failed with the optimizer.
|> The complete program is below my signature, but here is the important part:
|> 	struct utmp entry;
|> 	while(fread(entry, sizeof entry, 1, u)) {
|> 		bogus = entry.ut_time;
|> With the optimizer, bogus always had the same value.  Without the optimizer
|> various correct values are printed.  The problem is the fread.  It should be:
|> 	while(fread(&entry, sizeof entry, 1, u)) {
|> 	            ^
|> And the optimizer works fine on the corrected program.  Actually it's amazing
|> that the program works at all the first way.  All of this is on an 847, those
|> of you on other platforms may get different results with the buggy program.
|> (Indeed, Steinar Haug found the bug for me as he struggled to get my program
|> working on a 425!)

    I have seen this behaviour before, i mistakenly gave the actual structure
instead of its address as a parameter to a function call and it worked when
compiled without -O and broke with -O. (it's hard to debug because it works
with -g). In this case, it is definetely not the optimiser which is broken,
but the compiler itself. It looks like it tries to be too much clever.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Questions on HP-UX and system V OS
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:02:52 GMT

I got a 'flea' program to convert VLSI layout to Postscript files.
The program is written for Sun BSD4.3 OS. Apparently, one
compiler commend doesn't work on HP-UX on my machine, HP720.
The command is
  ld -dc -dp -e start  -X -o flea /usr/lib/crt0.o $(COBJS) $(CLIBS)

The problem is the options -dc, -dp, and -X. Does any one know
the equivalent options on HP-UX System V ? Thanks for your help.

Yi-Chieh
From: stephane@spxtech.qc.ca (Stephane Laroche)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Help needed using fbackup with multiple volumes
Keywords: fbackup optical disks
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:48:32 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 583

Is it possible (it has to be...) to backup file systems to multiple
optical disks?  It is not clear from the manual if fbackup can handle
a change of volume cleanly even though the backup can't fit on one
disk.  Right now, fbackup stops whenever the first optical disk
is full.

Anyone can point me to a section of the manual explaining this or,
better, tell me what options I should use?  Our system is an HP9000 300
running HP-UX 8.0.

Thanks a lot,


-- 
Stephane Laroche,                 Securiplex Technologies Inc.
Stephane.Laroche@spxtech.qc.ca    Montreal, Quebec     CANADA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HP CDROM-How to play audio?
From: cook@ewsvax.mdcbbs.com
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:30:17 GMT
Organization: McDnDSpaceSys, Huntington Bch, CA
Nntp-Posting-User: cook

Has anyone had any success playing music CDs on their HP CDROM drive? I have 
a series 6100 model 700/S drive. The manual has a section describing how to
configure the drive to play audio CDs, but my drive has a different backplane
(dip switches and jumpers) than the manual illustrations, and I can't get it
to work. The only dip switches on my drive are to set the SCSI address.

A call to HP brought only some raised eyebrows and "Gee, it works for me" type
comments. Granted, this is pretty low priority stuff, but it would be nice to
groove on some of my favorite vibes while I'm wrestling HP-UX.

Anybody have any success with this? The model no. on the bottom of the drive
is: TXM3301A1.

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From: arons@ash.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Tom Arons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: "script" broken in HP-UX 8.07??
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:10:51 GMT
	<5909@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>
Organization: University of California at Davis
In-reply-to: zlsiimw@mcchpc.mcc.ac.uk's message of 26 Aug 92 08:26:55 GMT

In article <5909@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> zlsiimw@mcchpc.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby) writes:

> I'd just like to say that I'm experiencing this problem as well. I ran script
> for the first time in ages and got this message. I was going to report it to
> our sys. admins. but forgot about it until now. That was on another system
> but I've tried it on the system I'm using now and still getting it. The first
> time I tried it I just got the "Script done due to signal 10, file is <foo>"
> message but now I'm getting 
>
> script: warning: errno 2 attempting to open pty /dev/ptym/ptypf
>
> as well, which may or may not cast some light on the matter. This is on 8.05.

We reported this to the response center a couple of weeks ago.  The problem is
in /system/UX-CORE/dev.script which builds the device files.  The loops which
build ptys only go from 0-e. All the pty*f files are missing.  My guess as to
why only script is sensitive to this problem is that non-failing utilities are
using ptyopen instead of looping themselves.  In any case putting in hard links
to someplace from /dev/pty/tty*f, /dev/ptym/pty*f, /dev/pty*f, and /dev/tty*f,
should fix things.


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From: ajs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan Silverstein)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:31:38 GMT
Subject: Re: force stopped process to swap space ?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

> The /etc/swapinfo command will give more correct numbers, *IF* you give
> the "-t" command-line option ("-t" for "totals").

Now I wish I'd made the totals line the default, and -t an option to
turn it off, rather than vice-versa...  sorry about that.

It turns out swapinfo for 8.07 was not as broken as I thought earlier.
Use it and enjoy it!

There are some remaining problems that still *won't* be fixed in the
next release:

* Swapinfo doesn't know that file system swap space is taken in units of
  swchunk (2Mb or 4Mb by default depending on Series).  Actually it does
  know this, but it subtracts the number of free pages to get what it
  displays as USED.  Those free pages show up as missing (used, not
  available) from df and bdf, but they don't show up as allocated by
  swapinfo -- because they're not allocated.  So that disk space just
  sort of vanishes, although it *is* available to the swap system.

  You only notice this if you closely compare swapinfo and df/bdf output
  while file system swap is active (or you set a min value).

  I haven't thought of a good way to present this -- without adding
  another dimension of confusion, given "hold space" already exists.

* Just discovered that the file system RESERVE value is being converted
  with the wrong units (from the kernel), so the value displayed is
  labelled Kb but is really "file system blocks", as given to swapon,
  typically 8Kb.  This is only relevant if you swapon to a file system
  with a reserve value.

* Swapinfo still reads /dev/kmem and uses system #define values, so
  don't try running it on a system version other than the one where it
  was delivered...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,at.test,comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: chytil@hp4at.eunet.co.at (Georg Chytil)
Subject: DAT HP35470A on sun ELC : Help wanted
Organization: EUnet EDV Dienstleistungs GmbH A-1010 Wien Austria
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:21:21 GMT

When running a  DAT HP35470A off a sun ELC I too often get the message 
"esp0:   Target 4 now Synchronous at 4.0 mb/s max transmit rate" , 
especially when running dumps over the net. syslog and console goes
berzerk by then and bring the ELC to its knees.

Is this the SCSI-Bus resyncing, and if so, why ?
Is there a special firmware for Sun's ?

Setup : Sun 4C ELC SunOS Release 4.1.2 kernel recompiled with st_conf.c mods
	DAT HP35470A with DIP's 12678 off
	input typically via rsh dd of=/dev/nrst0 bs=5120

BTW, running local dumps always shows verificaton errors, while the dump and
tape seem ok ....


					Georg

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: okuyama@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Darin Okuyama YR)
Subject: HP-UX 9.0
Summary: Is it OSF?
Keywords: HP-UX 9.0 OSF
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:05:43 GMT

This may be a dumb question but: is HP-UX 9.0 going
to be OSF?  Can someone give me some details on what
kinds of MAJOR things are going to change when HP
moves to 9.0.

Darin Okuyama
NASA Ames Research Center

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: decot@cup.hp.com (Craig Shergold)
Subject: Re: HP & Posix 1003.x
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:14:58 GMT
Organization: Make a Wish Foundation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

corne@jc3100.enet.dec.com (John Corne) writes:
: Can anyone tell me which HP operating systems support the posix 1003.x
: standards (and drafts)?  I'm specifically interested in which drafts.

HP does not claim conformance to IEEE drafts, as the drafts themselves
require that one does not claim conformance to them.  Thus, anyone
claiming conformance to IEEE drafts is thereby non-conforming.  :-)

The only official POSIX 1003 projects which have been completed (I think) are:

1  IEEE Std 1003.1-1988		Portable Operating System Interface
2  IEEE Std 1003.1-1990		(update to #1)
3  IEEE Std 1003.3-1991		Conformance Test Methods
4  IEEE Std 1003.9-1991		FORTRAN Bindings to #1
5  IEEE Std 1003.2-1992		Shell and Utilities (Sept, '92)

HP-UX 7.0* supports 1.

HP-UX 8.0* supports 1 and 2.

HP-UX 9.0* supports 1, 2, and 5.

MPE/iX may support one or more of the above in a future release.

#3 specifies general characteristics of test suites and assertions, and
as operating systems are not test suites, they does not conform to it.

"These are only my personal opinions, not those of HP."

Dave Decot
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: dem@tyrolia (Doron Meyer)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM drive
Organization: Princeton University Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:55:22 GMT

In article <HARDY.92Aug27162110@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes:
>What is so special about the power cord for the CD-ROM drive?
>One can certainly make one at home in less than 14 weeks!

One doesn't even have to make on.  At least on the HP CD-ROM drive I have,
it is a standard type power cord that is used by just about every workstation,
monitor, CD-ROM drive, external SCSI drive, and Macintosh I've ever seen.

Doron
From: manu@hpsrv.biotoul.fr (Emmanuel Courcelle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: help with mail !!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:20:42 GMT
Reply-To: manu@ibcg.biotoul.fr
Organization: Institut de Biologie et Genetique Cellulaire (IBCG/CNRS, Toulouse)

Hello, netters.
Here is my pb: I have 2 HP400 machines. One of them (named hpsrv) 
is the mail server. sendmail.cf is exactly the same file 
(I use rcp to update) on both machines.
The /usr/mail on the 2nd machine is replaced by a symbolic link towards the
directory: /nfs/hpsrv/usr/mail. 
All that works well... except when root tries to read mail... when root
has mail: it hangs up, because elm thinks that there is an incoming mail...
Not too serious, because after 10 tries it give up. But when root connects, 
the command mail -e, which is in the profile, really hangs. Even a kill -9
from another window can't suppress the process.
I think that the pb is connected with the 65534 UID of root, as seen from 
an nfs-mounted machine... but what is the solution ???




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: alek@spatial.com (Alek O. Komarnitsky)
Subject: Re: Sun Vs. HP system administration
Organization: Spatial Technology, Inc. (Boulder, Colorado)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:27:41 GMT

In article <9208251944.AA15570@gadget.evb.com> mahesh@evb.com writes:
>We will be getting a HP 705 (or 710) this week. I have good
>experience with SunSparcs and Solbournes. I wanted to know
>how different is HP system administration when compared
>to Sun. Some of you gurus may find my questions too stupid,
>but that is ok !!!
>
>* Can I set up my HP as a client of Solbourne (yellow pages) ?
>  I think the answer is YES but how hard is it to get this
>  setup working.
Yes - see /etc/netnfsrc - it's pretty trivial. BTW, all of my YP/NIS Slaves
are Suns, so I've only test the YP client side of the HP's.

>* Can I access the disk space of my solbourne from a HP ?
>  (automounting). If so, how tough is it ? 
Not hard at all. We use amd with pretty good success. Occasionaly, output from
bdf looks scrogged, but otherwise OK. BTW, HP700's are *fast*, and seem
to be able to generate very heavy NFS load. I have not used the supplied
automounter, but understand some patches are needed for it to work properly.

>* Can I use the executables compiled on non-HP machines
>  on my HP (like tcsh, mush, rn ) ? dumb question uh ?
You allready answered this one!  ;-)

>* Should I get some books for HP administration ? Are there
>  any books available ? I have books for Sun administration.
RTFM and elbow grease seems to be the best approach to me!  ;-)

>* which are the good newsgroups on Usenet for HP ?
You're reading it. Signal-Noise ration has not gone down the tubes (yet),
and there are a number of excellent HP'ers who contribute. BTW, I'm a 
bit downstream here, but did you post your question twice?

>* Any other info about HP systems is welcome.
Nice systems - few minor problems here or there, but nothing beyond
what one sees elsewhere (although the main thing I look forward to with
9.0 is (finally) an up to spec version of NFS!  ;-)
Oh yeah, did I say that they are fast!

>Please respond by email.
I hope that doesn't mean that "I don't read this group so" ...

Alek Komarnitsky                                      303-449-0649
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P.S. Maybe we oughta have an FAQ in c.s.h?!? Any Volunteers?
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy))
Subject: Re: that HPUX cc compiler
In-reply-to: als@bohra.cpg.oz.au's message of 31 Aug 92 10:49:50 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:23:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.104950.1108@bohra.cpg.oz.au> als@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Anthony Shipman) writes:


   Here are some programs for which the HP cc generates incorrect code.

   xfig.2.1.4, contact bvsmith@lbl.gov

           When compiled with -O incorrect code is generated for the 
           int_spline_bound() function.  This results in floating point exceptions
           while working with splines.  The program works without -O.

        .....more of the same

I found that most programs compile perfectly with the +O1 option,
quite a few with +O3 (they take quite a while -- you may have given up
too early), unless I run out of memory.  I have put +O1 as the default
in my hp.cf to use with xmkmf  (also, some of the newer X-stuff will
not link unless I include both the X11R4 ann X11R5 include files. 
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