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From: glennd@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Glenn Deardorff GDP)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Cheap Upgrade to Cubase v3 Ending Soon
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:07:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center

An important note for those who may not know:

According to Steinberg/Jones, any owner of Cubase 2.x for the Atari, who wants to
upgrade to version 3.01, has until the end of August (like, this week) to do so for
the price of $100.  After that, you will be "asked" to pay the full retail price if
you want to upgrade.  Apparently, all future upgrades to Cubase (Atari version) will 
be based on the version 3 key; you'll be out-of-luck if you have the version 2.0 key.

In a conversation recently, they said they'd be mailing out notices in August to
Atari Cubase owners about this.  I didn't receive one, so I don't know if anyone
else did either.  Hence this little cautionary note.  For those who aren't aware of
version 3, most of the changes seem to be in the notation editing, although there
are a number of minor cosmetic and functional changes in other windows as well.

For more info, call: Steinberg/Jones         (818) 993-4091
From: arpraym@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: MOTU changing their customer support ways??
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:59:37 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Recently I responded to a flame of MOTU and their customer service. I too
had an opinion that was less than complimentary.

As a result of my post (flame), a MOTU technical support person got in touch
with me. His name is Neil Lischner. He politely said that a friend of his
had read my post and forwarded it to him, and then he asked me if there was
anything that he could do to assist me. He also updated my personal
information on their database.

Assuming that this could be a trend, and not the work of a single helpful
individual bucking an otherwise poor customer support program, my opinion
of MOTU may quickly change. The only fault I saw was in customer support,
(ONLY??). They produce pretty good software/hardware from my vantage point.

I told Neil I would respond to r.m.s. and let 'yous guys' know that at least
there is one person in customer support at MOTU who cares about you.

Ray MacNeil
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bw@hpcvxgmr.cv.hp.com (Bill Wilhelmi)
Subject: Re: Hardware Sequencers
Reply-To: bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
Organization: Interstate 5
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:20:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.143141.8050@col.hp.com>, jjh@col.hp.com (Jeff Haeffele-x3570) writes:
|> [...stuff deleted...]
|> Do you use a sw sequencer and lug your computer with you?
|> Do you use a hw sequencer built into a keyboard?
|> Is there a problem moving sequences between sw and hw sequencers?
|> Should I consider something other than a hw sequencer & sound canvas combo?
|> Which hw sequencer would you recommend?
|> Do you have a hw sequencer for sale (preferably the kawai)?

I had a HW sequencer once and didn't like it.  It was made by Technics.
I tried for MONTHS to call and get support from them, and they just 
ignored me.  I left message after message on their support line and I never
got a call back.  I made a deal with the dealer where I bought the machine
and got a Sound Canvas.  

Generally, the the sequencer worked all right, but sometimes it would goof up.
In spite of the fact that the manual showed how to save sysex dumps from the
keyboard, it never did this successfully.  Apparantly, not all sequencers 
handle sysex dumps the same--some not at all.  If you want to use the 
HW sequencer to store any sysex data, there's a good chance it won't do
it for you.  It is best to check out a model you are interested in and make
sure it works correctly with your keyboard.

The portability of the HP sequencer is an attractive idea, but I don't have
that much confidence in a HW sequencer.  Maybe some other people can tell 
you about sequencers they had success with.
 
|> 
|> I know that's a lot of questions but I guess I need a lot of help! :-)
|> The local music stores here in Colorado Springs are pretty limited when
|> it comes to offering informed options and advice.
|> 
|> Thanks very much,
|> 
|> Jeff Haeffele
|> jjh@col.hp.com

-- 
 Bill Wilhelmi    
 Hewlett-Packard - User-interface Technology Division CV
 1000 NE Circle Blvd.  Corvallis, OR 97330
 bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Samplers -- high end
Keywords: big memory
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:10:43 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

Just make sure the salesman isn't a lying fool that is convincing.  
I bought an Emax SE HD Plus in '88 (I know it didn't exist then but
E-mu offerred an upgrade later) and was thoroughly prepared (so I thought).
I ended up paying the salesman for four hours of his time 
(as a consultant), buying a machine at the end of its cycle and being
stuck with 512k sample memory that couldn't be upgraded.  Thus a dead end
and a peaved off customer resulted.  In addition, the music store wouldn't
take the unit back but to make me a happy camper they offerred to give
me $300.00 credit off retail on any item over a thousand dollars.  Goly,
what great guys these music store salesman are.  Anyway, I never went
back to this particular chain but on a more possitive note I love my
Emax SE HD Plus even with its limitations (12-bit, no ram or rom expansion,
no more support, noisy Miniscribe HD--bla, realistically mono-timbral,
won't access more than 20meg at a time, can't partition higher density
disc drives, can't read off of CD-ROM (?), sounds out of tune when left on
for long periods of time, etc.).  I still use it and 
like it alot.  I even went out and bought a Proteus 1XR. In conclusion 
I learned that knowing a units limitations and living with them is a 
whole lot better than believing all the bul**** sales talk, vaporware 
and changing specs without notice.  Maybe someday someone will design 
an excelorator board (hint hint) for the old Emax's or rewrite the  
system software, etc.

Craig Anderton shame shame shame--Craig wrote the owners manual.

Total cost $3500.00; most of which I will chalk up to "educational
experience"

maurices
From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Looking for suggestions on price of ...
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:51:43 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

>In article <1992Aug28.053136.7082@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson) writes:
>>who was Sinfield, and what else did he do besides write poor lyrics for
>>ELP.  I'm looking for an answer that does not involve writing.

In article <1992Aug28.170527.13582@rti.rti.org> rga@rti.rti.org writes:
>He was the "fifth" Crimsonite :), from 1969-72, running their light
>show and later, doing some sound processing of drums with a VCS3.

	He also wrote some English lyrics for the great 1970's Italian
progressive rock band, Premiata Forneria Marconi (PFM).

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rlw@cs.Princeton.EDU ()
Subject: Format for SY-77 waveform cards
Originator: rlw@elan
Organization: Princeton University, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:34:10 GMT

  Does anyone know what the interface for these cards is if you wanted
to burn your own? Thanks
From: soh@gdstech.grumman.com (Scott O'Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: WANTED: Quadraverb or Quadraverb+
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:21:58 GMT
Reply-To: soh@gdstech.UUCP (Scott O'Hare)
Distribution: rec.music.synth
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury


Trying to put a good PA together for my band - will pay $275 for
a Quadraverb or $295 for Quadraverb+ in excellent condition, w/manual. 
Also will pick up shipping (which should be about $5-6 UPS). Quick 
response needed!

soh

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From: murat@farallon.com (Murat N. Konar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Octapad MIDI hookup help!!!???
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:52:10 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Farallon Computing

In article <1542@outland.UUCP>, richard@adpgate.UUCP ( ADP OPuS) wrote:
> 	I have a very basic system. A Roland U-20, Pad-80 Octapad, interfaced 
> 	with an Opcode Studio 3 (2 in, 6 out) that syncs up a Fostex 8 track
> 	open reel. 
> 
>  ... Apparantly when rolling tape, my printer port is taxed to the 
> 	max handling the SMPTE to MIDI time code duties. This is the input 
> 	that I have my Octapad hooked into; the U-20 goes into the other 
> 	input.
> 
> 	Soooo, when I try to use the Octapad with tape rolling, I hit a pad,
> 	and a half a second later the note occurs!!! I guess I just need 
> 	to forget about using this printer port input on the Studio 3 when 
> 	syncing time code???

What kind of Mac are you using?

I have this problem too.  I have resorted to using a separate MIDI
interface for input when synching with the Studio 3.  

By the way, I called Opcode's tech support about this problem and they said
they had never heard of it before.   When I told them that I was running on
a PowerBook 170, their superstition mode kicked in and they blamed the
problem on the murky PowerBook MIDI problem.  I explained that if it was
the PowerBook, my two interface solution should not work either.  They were
not convinced.

I recommend you call Opcode tech support and complain.  Their number is 
(415) 856-3331

Good luck.
______________________________________________________________________________
Murat N. Konar
Sound Software Engineer (NOT!)
Farallon Computing, Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman)
Subject: Re: DX7-to-SY77 conversion
Reply-To: koelman@stc.nato.int
Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:33:36 GMT

In article <123@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)  
writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.131505.27950@cbnews.cb.att.com>  
eab@cbnews.cb.att.com (eugene.a.beer) writes:
> >
> >Yamaha FM hacks:
> >
> >I'm having problems with the DX2SY.EXE program that converts DX7  
patches
> >to SY77 patches.
> >[...]
> >  ...I ran DX2SY and it executed OK, listing the 32 voices that it  
supposedly
> >converted. (The 32nd voice was replicated for SY77 voices 33-64).
> >The resulting converted file was 66000+ bytes which seemed
> >awfully big to me.
> 
> Of course.  The SY77 voice structure is much more sophisticated.  It  
simply
> takes more memory to store a patch.  Also, don't forget that the SY77
> works with banks of 64 patches so there had to be 32 extra empty patches
> as place holders in the output file.
> 
> >There's no appropriate header either on the converted voices as is  
shown in
> >the TG77 manual for the sysex.  
> 
> The DX2SY program does not create a SYSEX file.  It creates a file that
> may be loaded via the floppy drive on an SY77 (I believe you should name
> it with a '.J01' extension). 
      |
The SY77 disk file format is rather different from the SY/TG sysex
dump format. However I have a program *somewhere* that can convert
the .J01 file to a sysex dump. I have done it. Time to dig up
that program I guess....

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SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD  The Hague
The Netherlands  (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: darrin@arrakis.engin.umich.edu (Darrin P Cardani)
Subject: Re: Performer 4? (was Re: Price for Performer sequencer)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:05:34 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: darrin@arrakis.engin.umich.edu


In article <41050151@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
> Performer (first 3.61, then 3.64) would crash on me with annoying
> regularity, *until* I turned off After Dark.  It hasn't crashed since.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^`
  I've been using with After Dark for well over a year and it has not crashed
once as I said in my last post. I wonder what it is that I'm doing differently?
I have an SE w/4 Megs running system 7.0 and I pretty much just do recording
and play-back stuff (no sys-ex), although I do a lot of data manipulation of
the parts.


> 
> Pete Brooks
> 

Darrin Cardani
darrin@engin.umich.edu
From: valaris@swifty.dap.CSIRO.AU (Andrew Valaris)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Midi pedalboard
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:29:20 GMT
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Applied Physics, Sydney

For those who are inquiring about the existence of a midi organ style pedalboard,if I'm thinking about the same thing, then i remember that Korg actually sold
one of these units. I remeber it in one of my brochures a while back now. I'll
check tonight and post my findings tomorrow.

You may be in luck
From: David.Sotnick@psycho.fidonet.org (David Sotnick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: AKAI ME20A MIDI Timing mods?
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 22:59:14 EDT
Organization: Psycho: The Usenet<->Fidonet Gateway of St. Pete Florida

I am the not so proud owner of an AKAI ME20A Midi Sequence Arpeggiator.
Although I use Vision as a sequencer, the AKAI allows me to write arpeggiations
in a new way. The only problem is MIDI TIMING. The AKAI has no support for the
standard $F8 midi clock messages. It ignores all but NOTE ON/OFF messages. So..

Does anyone know of any modifications to the ME20A that would allow me to send
sync to the unit and have it clock to the MTC? I know of a way I could use a 
divide by 4 circuit to send a pulse from the tempo led (every 1/16 note divide
by 4 = every quarter note) which could feed the back of my studio 5 and use a 
MIDIKEY to control the tempo of the sequence (tap tempo) But that's a hassle
and goes the wrong way round. I want the ME20 to slave to the MAC.

ANY IDEAS would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

I'm supposed to lose this account, but mail to me here anyway. If it bounces,
try mailing to "weavej@rpi.edu" it's a friend's account.

David Sotnick



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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rga@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Parting with old synths
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 15:41:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.024200.9487@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock) writes:
>How do you part with an old synth?
>
[ text deleted ]
>  A big problem for me is that I've got a bunch of
>half-finished sequences which use my existing instruments.  If I sold any of
>my current instruments, I have to redo all those sequences (maybe it's not
>a bad idea to just put them to rest, and start fresh.)  Also, I become fairly
>dependent on certain sounds that I have, even though I know the new machine
>will have new sounds that I will come to depend on.
>

Neil, I find myself in the same dilemma. I have been mulling over the
idea of selling my SQ80 and TX81Z to generate some cash for a
Wavestation EX. One possible solution, which I haven't tried yet,
would be to record all the fragments on cassette, with part of the
tape used for demoing the specific sounds used, to allow later
emulation on the new instrument. On the other hand, I think being
overly attached to the sounds of a given may be a limitation anyway.

The recontsruction process itself could generate sufficient
inspiration to push the song to completion.

On the other hand, the desire to add new capabilities and sounds to
one's rig could certainly be viewed as a symptom of insufficient
creativity on the instruments one already has.

How's that for a wishy-washy answer ? :)

Randy
From: bold@astroatc.uucp (Jeff Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: D-70 Question?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:41:46 GMT
Organization: Astronautics Technology Cntr, Madison, WI

On D-70 prices... The going rate is about $1600.00 MAXIMUM.  I have had a
salesman offer me one for $1400.00.  I have also seen one used for sale that
is 1 yr. old for $900.00 (negotiable).

DO NOT pay $1800.00 for one.  They will drop in price very quickly soon.

-- 
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                                          |~~~|  Co-"= |~~~|  up to 22.
"With this amazing new "knife"...         |___|  / \   |___|  So there!
From: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Musician's Friend (was Mail Order Prices)
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:34:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep4.030536.8917@ncar.ucar.edu> schabtac@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Adam Schabtach) writes:
>> Paco Ojeda <Paco_Ojeda_Gonzalez@macmailgw.dfci.harvard.edu> writes:
>> 1. Musician's Friend 800-776-5173
>
>In my experience, their prices are unpredictable. Some of them are good,
>some aren't. I called them recently for a quote on a keyboard, and the
>price they offered was way too high. Buyer beware.

I was wondering if it was just me.  When I was looking around for a
S-50, they quoted a price of 1666.66.  I could get a new S-50 from
Sam Ash for $995 and that's still not the best price I could get!
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"I have my toys (D-50, SR-16, TG-16 with CD-ROM, SNES, Genesis, HP48SX)
 and you don't!  Nyah!!!"
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Yamaha Rack Mounts...advice needed
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:49:59 GMT
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

The TX81Z is a nice rack mount way to get FM sounds in to your setup.
I'd stay away from the FB01 which is available very cheap but requires
external software to edit patches etc.. The TX81Z is a little more
versatile.

The TG33 has been discontinued and is available quite cheap. This 
is rackmountable and gets you FM, plus samples, plus wave sequencing !
From: din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: How does Valhala make their sounds?
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:38:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Question: How do companies like Valhala create their sounds for the
various synths?  Is there a group of people who tweak the synth
engines in each synth (from D-50 to M1 to whatever) each day, come
up with something that sounds sort of like what it's supposed to be,
and labels the sound?  Can anyone tell me how the Valhala sound cards
compare on the D50 versus M1 (or any two synths Valhala makes cards
for)?  Enlighten me!
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 and you don't!  Nyah!!!"
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:14098 misc.forsale:24860
From: hank@milne.Boeing.COM (Hank Manning)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,misc.forsale
Subject: For Sale: Fostex 8 track w/ Autolocator
Keywords: 8 track; Autolocator
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:33:26 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: The Boeing Co., Seattle, Wa.

Fostex 1/4" 8 track tape recorder for sale. Model 80. OnBoard Noise Reduction.
Great Condition. Limited home studio use. Low Hours. Comes with Model 4050
Autolocator/Remote Transport Controller. SMPTE Striper/Reader. Song 
Attributes Programmer (10 banks of Tempo, Measure Length, Recall Points, 
Midi Start times, etc.) Auto Punch.  Translates SMPTE time to MIDI clock for
controlling Sequencers from Tape Stripe. $2000.
From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Re: Emulator IIIXP
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:00:34 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

In article <3768.9208291917@orsun.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK> writes:
>Does anyone know what a Emulator IIIXP is? The specs I have are only the black
>full page advert in the latest (the UK "latest") Keyboard magazine. The specs
>make it sound a bit like an upgraded Emax II rather than the EIII. I.e. based
>on the G chip ("32 mono voices, 16 stereo voices").

A year ago I saw a full page (faxed to a fellow EIII user) description of the
new EIIIX.  It had 24 mono voices or 16 stereo voices.  The rest of the specs
were more or  less an improved EIII (rackmount only and NO sequencer).  32Mb
maximum.  Proteus style outputs (3 pairs?)

I had since saw a couple of minor blurbs about it in MIX and Keyboard. 
 Needless to say it never came out.  The EIIIXP looks like exactly the same
thing without the A/D converters (P stands for Playback).  It also is half
the price of the non-existant EIIIX list price.

Now if the DSP on this new machine is really fast I'll most likely replace
my EIII with one.  Otherwise I think I might just get a Peavey SP and
use Alchemy or SoundTools for the A/D + DSP.

Info on the EIIIXP will be much appreciated......

ferenc



From: pauls@trsvax.tandy.com
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:52 CDT
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Personal Composer for sale
Message-ID: <27300050@trsvax>
Nf-ID: #N:trsvax:27300050:000:60
Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls    Aug 28 14:52:00 1992


Have Personal Composer with all disks/manuals.
make offer.
Organization: Black Silicon, Fortress of Computation
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:56:23 GMT-0500
Reply-To:     Dark Hacker <black-silicon!hacker@cs.UMD.EDU>
From:         Dark Hacker <black-silicon!hacker@CS.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pedal Keyboard wanted
Comments: To: "Redistribution of rec.music.synth" <SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU>

>

>

> Begin forwarded message:
>

> From: Jim Thomassen <jimth@PALOUSE.NOSUBDOMAIN.NODOMAIN>
> Subject:      Pedal Keyboard wanted
>

> I am looking for a midi capable pedal keyboard like you might find on an
> organ...but separate and able to control a midi device...
> I would like to be less reliant on a sequencer and really play as much as
> possible during performance.
>

> Any ideas out there?
>

> thanks  jimth

I dream of such a device.  What you want is an AGO spec pedalboard that
generates MIDI data.  I don't think anyone sells them seperate from organs.
MIDI-capable organs are quite commonplace nowadays.

Not too long ago someone on the net distributed instructions for gutting a
cheap Casio synthesiser and wiring it up to a pedalboard to do what you want
however you still need to buy the pedalboard and the Casio sacrificial
synthesiser.

I'm an organ student (the first movement of Vierne's 3rd Symphony is the
official Dark Hacker theme song) and would like to obtain such a pedalboard
too for practice at home.  If anyone comes up with anything interesting please
drop me a line.

- Hacker
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