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From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: re: Is the run-and-shoot finished?
Reply-To: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:15:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.055821.22307@leland.Stanford.EDU> daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes:
>
>There is a continuum of offenses ranging from those built around the
>pass like the run-and-shoot and those built around the run like the
>wishbone.  In the NFL it has been demonstrated that championship
>teams have to be able to both come up with the key completion AND
>run out the clock.  Take away the ability to make the key completion
>and one has either the Chiefs or the Saints.  Take away the ability to
>run out the clock and one has the Oilers or the 1990 49ers.

Or the 1991 Bills, whose no-huddle offense often scored *too* quickly,
and was unable to dominate time of possession.


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
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From: edquist@eng.umd.edu (Karl T. Edquist)
Subject: Re: Greatest Moment....Bears
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 04:01:10 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: edquist@valkyrie.eng.umd.edu


In article <1993Jan6.155558.10856@pdn.paradyne.com>, lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.192455.11200@oakhill.sps.mot.com> millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com writes:
>>One I remember 'watching' with my father and uncle many years ago...
>>
>>Bears are in overtime, and they are receiving. The receiver promptly
>>runs the ball back for a touchdown. i believe this is one of the shortest
>>overtime periods on record.
>>
>>Can anyone give me the name of the returner and the opponent?
>>
>
>It was a Thanksgivings day game against the Lions during the mid-'80s.
>The name of the kick-returner escapes me which indicates that,  to me,
>that game would be absolutely dwarfed by the Bears' blowout victory in
>the '85 Super Bowl (were I a Bears' fan).
>--

I think the guy's name is David Williams.  He took the kickoff about 95 yards for the
winning TD.  The networks usually show the play on those 'Alcoa Fantastic Finishes' segments.

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From: jab55062@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The World Reknown Jason Boskey)
Subject: Re: I HAVE EXTENDED IT ONE EXTRA WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:52:52 GMT

Even though this is probably a stupid idea, here are the odds as of 1/5/93 AM.



Team                Odds        
San Francisco       3-5
Dallas              6-1 
San Diego           6-1
Philadelphia        9-1
Buffalo            19-1
Miami              40-1
Washington         40-1
Pittsburgh         45-1


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Known throughout the world as the Bosk |  "Christ you know it ain't easy|
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                                       |   The way things are going     |
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From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills 24, Steelers 3
Date: 10 Jan 93 06:32:15 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <C0LsxI.7FE@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>The Bills win another one and become only the second team to play in the

correction. They were the fourth team to do it. Miami did it, and I forget
the other team.

>AFC Championship game three years in a row (Raiders were the first). Thanks
>to all of you who picked the Steelers to win this one. Make sure you pick
>the Bills to lose next week. JPG, you're wrong two weeks in a row. Go for
>three!
>--Jim
>
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Parsells to Patriots???
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:09:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.105.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>Subj. says it all....
>
>Anyone else catch wind of this.  It was in my local paper.
>It does make sense.  NE needs someone to "take the bull by the horns".  
>Parsells is the man to do it.  Its a good fit for a team to rebuild.

The latest ESPN rumour is that a group of investors including Bill Parcells
is interested in purchasing the franchise.  This group would then install
Bill as their head coach and... get this, Will McDonough (the guy from NFL
Live) as the general manager.  

The Pats don't really need much rebuilding... their D is decent and their
O line has been rebuilding for the last few drafts (Pat Harlow, Eugene
Chung) and they'll probably end up with a franchise QB this year.  What they
need is someone who can get them to play up to their talent and either
Parcells or Ditka would fit the bill.

>
>(There was also more info on D. Wannstedt for the Giants coaching job... 
>Droooooooool!)  He says he is ready and WANTS to be offered the job, but 
>Giants havent approached him yet.   I know we are waiting for Dallas to 
>finish their season, but this is DRIVING ME NUTS.

What's wrong with Young?  Has he lost his mind?  Give Wannstedt the job
already willya??

>
>Also Reeves contacted Young to make a pitch for the job.  Paper said he 
>wanted to dispell any rumors that he wanted partial control of the head 
>office or more control than Young was willing to give.
>
>Should we give him serious thought?  NOT!!!!!! IMHO.

Reeves offense was built around a passing game and the same things that
would've been wrong with Coughlin as the Gs head coach apply to Reeves.
The Gs just don't have the type of players for a pass offense.

>
>ALN

satish nair

PS I was out of town for a few days but all I have to say is... JPG, leave
	this damsel alone!


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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Bear Coach question
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: Before Ditka
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:45:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.101421.29774@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, stailey@comm.mot.com  
                      writes...
> 
>*Could someone please tell me the Bear coach(es) between Abe Giberon
>*and Mike Ditka. Thanks very much!
> 
> 
>	Neil Armstrong was one of them.
> 
> 
> 	--
>	Michael                      
>	stailey@comm.mot.com     

Since he was the first person to land on the moon, the Astros would make more 
sense. d::-) (sorry, couldn't resist)

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
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From: jmelcher@polisci.umn.edu (James Melcher)
Subject: Re: Who would win this game?
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:54:00 GMT

No disrespect intended at all for what the Crimson Tide has done this year- 
they've had a great season, and have a truly outstanding defense- I'd have 
to agree with Mr. Zimmers that the Patriots would win such a game handily.  
In addition to the reasons he cited, I'd like to bring up an additional 
piece of evidence.  The closest thing to such a matchup in the real world 
was the old College All-Stars game that used to be held at Soldier Field 
each year shortly before the NFL pre-season.  A team of the best college 
seniors from the previous year would play the defending NFL champions (not 
precisely the hypothesized matchup, of course, but something of an 
approximation.)  The NFL franchise had a very long winning streak when the 
series was ended in the early 1970's (I believe my Packers were the last 
team to lose to the College All-Stars, and that was in the early 1960's).  
It's not a perfect parallel, but I can't think of a closer real-world 
matchup of this nature.

Just my 2 cents worth-
Jim Melcher, Univ. of Minnesota
"Your friendly neighborhood Packer fan in St. Paul"
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: most playoff wins
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:01:43 GMT

>>With the Dallas win over philly, Dallas holds
>>the record for number of playoff wins (22).

Okay, here's yer numbers from the archives:

Total playoff records in the Super Bowl era (1966-1993)
=======================================================
 NFC                          AFC                         
  Green_Bay       6  2 0.750   Pittsburgh     16  9 0.640 
  NY_Giants       9  4 0.692   Miami          16 11 0.593 
  San_Francisco  17  8 0.680   Oak/LA_Raiders 20 14 0.588 
  Washington     18 10 0.643   Denver          9  9 0.500 
  Dallas         22 17 0.564   Buffalo         8  8 0.500 
  Minnesota      13 16 0.448   Baltimore/Ind   6  6 0.500 
  Chicago         6  8 0.429   NY_Jets         5  6 0.455 
  LA_Rams        10 16 0.385   San_Diego       4  5 0.444 
  Philadelphia    4  8 0.333   Seattle         3  4 0.429 
  Atlanta         2  4 0.333   Cincinnati      5  7 0.417 
  Tampa_Bay       1  3 0.250   Kansas_City     5  7 0.417 
  Detroit         1  4 0.200   Houston         7 11 0.389 
  St._Louis/Phx   0  3 0.000   New_England     3  5 0.375 
  New_Orleans     0  4 0.000   Cleveland       5 12 0.294 


Total records in Conference Championship games (1970-1992)
==========================================================
 NFC                          AFC                         
  NY_Giants       2  0 1.000   Cincinnati      2  0 1.000 
  Philadelphia    1  0 1.000   New_England     1  0 1.000 
  Washington      5  1 0.833   Miami           5  1 0.833 
  Minnesota       3  2 0.600   Denver          4  1 0.800 
  San_Francisco   4  4 0.500   Buffalo         2  1 0.667 
  Dallas          5  5 0.500   Pittsburgh      4  3 0.571 
  Atlanta         0  0  ---    Kansas_City     0  0  ---  
  New_Orleans     0  0  ---    Baltimore/Ind   1  1 0.500 
  Green_Bay       0  0  ---    Oak/LA_Raiders  3  6 0.333 
  St._Louis/Phx   0  0  ---    NY_Jets         0  1 0.000 
  Chicago         1  2 0.333   Seattle         0  1 0.000 
  LA_Rams         1  6 0.143   Cleveland       0  3 0.000 
  Tampa_Bay       0  1 0.000   San_Diego       0  2 0.000 
  Detroit         0  1 0.000   Houston         0  2 0.000 

Curious fact:  The Niners have not allowed a TD in their last four
Conference Championship games --
	Jan 6, 1985: 23-0 vs Chicago.
	Jan 8, 1989: 28-3 at Chicago.
	Jan 14, 1990: 30-3 vs L.A.
	Jan 20, 1991: 13-15 vs New York.

Terrible coincidence: The Dolphins' one loss in a CC game was their
last one, which was also at home and also against a wildcard from
their own division (Jan 12, 1986, a 14-31 loss to New England).


--Gidi


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From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,misc.test
Subject: Re: Cowboys KILL Eagles
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:05:26 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <schnitzi.726847344@eola.cs.ucf.edu> schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) writes:
>
>Prove it, or admit you are a liar.  I predicted the Cowboys would
>win (but was rooting for the Eagles all the way).  I even posted a
>question asking if anyone else was predicting their favorite team
>would lose.  Get your facts straight, or hit 'U'.

I know that all season long you were one of the biggest Philly woofers
on the net.  You also took plenty of cheap shots at the Cowboys.  If
this weren't true, you wouldn't have been so touchy about my unflattering
Eagle comments.  If you didn't want to hear my review of the game, or
my opinions of your team, you can pass on it.

>I await your apology.

And the bEagles await postseason success.  Both can keep waiting....

>Your pathetic mewlings typify the very trash-talking you like
>to think yourself above.  I'm certainly glad not all Cowboy
>fans are this way.

No.  I don't make bold, boastful statements about what my team is
going to do to an upcoming opponent, that's the difference, which
you fail to see.  But, even if you can't differentiate between the
two, and do think I talk trash like you Eagle fans, whatsa matter,
you can dish it out but you can't take it?


Ray    GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!

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From: jlawlor@ptdi12.intel.com (Jay Lawlor ~)
Subject: Re: Young VS. Montana (My Thoughts)
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Reply-To: jlawlor@ptdcs2.intel.com
Organization: Intel Portland Technology Development
	<1993Jan12.214210.23067@leland.Stanford.EDU>
	<athos-120193152945@athos.apple.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:00:36 GMT

>>>>> On 12 Jan 93 23:41:14 GMT, athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) said:


Rick> Ah, I should expect someone from Stanford to be a condescending
Rick> ass.  Look, Montana got whacked like Kelly got whacked like
Rick> Elway got wacked like Cunningham got wacked.  The problem here
Rick> is that Montana then LOST HIS JOB due to an injury which he has
Rick> now recovered from.  It's age-bigots like you that demand that
Rick> Joe just step aside and let his job go away permently.

Well, let's see.  Unless I'm mistaken...

Kelly started the season, is most of the reason they've made the
playoffs, and will be coming back to finish the season.  Sounds fair.

Elway started the season, got hurt, and came back to finish the
season.  Sounds fair.

Cunningham got hurt, had to sit out the year, and came back THE NEXT
YEAR when he was ready.  Sounds fair.

Montana hasn't played in two years, is not the one who got the
49ers to the playoffs THIS YEAR, is an unknown right now as far as
durability of his arm, but should immediately get his job back with
nothing more than a "Thanks, Steve, for being MVP, having the best
winning record, etc. but now that we're in the playoffs I want my job
back."  

He has every chance to get his job back NEXT YEAR when/if he can make
it through training camp, etc. without arm problems and shows he is
still the best QB.

Meanwhile he's still getting that nice salary because of his contract.
Boy have they treated him bad.  I feel so sorry for him.

--

Jay Lawlor                                         jlawlor@ptdcs2.intel.com
Mailstop: AL4-57      Phone: (503) 642-8050        FAX:   (503) 649-3996
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Going out for breakfast, boring game!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:38:23 GMT

YAWN! This Eagles-Dallas game is getting boring.
I'm hungry and I am going out for some pancakes
and eggs. I will be back for the Chargers-Dolphins
game.  Candlestick will be awating Aikman and crew
next week! :-) :-)  The Niners will also be hungry,
BURP! Ahhhhhhh! :-)
-- 
"A cynic is one who never sees a good quality in a man,
and never fails to see a bad one. He is the human owl,
vigilant in darkness and blind to light, mousing for
vermin, and never seeing noble game."  Henry Ward Beecher
From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: re: Blackout in Buffalo
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:23:16 GMT
Reply-To: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar

In article <1993Jan5.195704.9298@ultb.isc.rit.edu> sbs9276@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>      Oh yeah-- the Bills are the 2nd smallest TV market in the NFL.
>Anyone know the smallest? Denver? Cleveland?
>
>      Steve

Green Bay.

The NFL blackout rule definitely works against Buffalo. They are the
second-smallest market, but have the third-largest stadium. Sure, they
fill it up most weeks, but as you know the Bills have been winning for
the past few years, esp. at home. The attendance during the early
80's was pitiful (but no worse than a typical Sunday in Phoenix).


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: steve walsh deal
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A774FC4B0F01700D@rambo.princeton.edu>
Originator: news@nimaster
X-Xxdate: Sat, 9 Jan 93 22:03:55 GMT
Organization: Geology Dept, Princeton Univ
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:01:43 GMT

In article <C0Fyo9.9n2@abode.ttank.com> Eric C. Bennett,
eric@abode.ttank.com writes:
>In article <19930105080120CCP17BK@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU>
kellywh@mail.auburn.edu writes:
>>In article <1993Jan4.193904.16603@micom.com>,
>>jscott@micom.com (James Scott) writes:
>>As far as I'm concerned, that trade was one of the dumbest things
>>Jim Finks has done while with the Saints.  Don't get me wrong -
>>overall, I think Finks and Mora have worked miracles for us.  But
>>Walsh was (like Torretta is) another over-rated Miami quarterback,
>>Johnson knew it, and he took us to the cleaners.

	In all fairness to Steve Walsh, he was one of the best college QB's of
the decade.  Notice I said college.  My explanation for his mediocrity in
the NFL is that his success was due to his intelligence and poise, not
his athletic ability.  Poise in the NFL is alot different than in college
and his lack of a strong arm gives him two strikes to start with.

	On a more pro-Walsh note, he was never given a team to lead that was his
own, and wasn't allowed to "develop" as well as he could have.  He did
win some games for the Saints while Hebert was hurt (last year or the
year before?) and I would rank his play with the Cowboys alot higher than
that shithead that QBed the Jets this year.  All in all, given the
opportunity, he might develop into a good pro QB.  For now he is an
adequate backup (although for $1M/year).

FRANK
__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: NFC East - Toughest Division
Organization: Clark University
Date: 7 JAN 93 01:08:45 GMT

In a previous article, nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) wrote:
> 
>The arguement for the NFC East being the best division is this:  All of the
>Superbowl victories since the Bears won in '85 have been won by SF or an
>NFC East team.  Three of the four surviving playoff teams are from the NFC
>East this season.  Every season over the past several years there have been
>at least three teams from the NFC East which were Superbowl contenders.  It
>is difficult for other divisions to match that record.  
> 
Fine. Whoopee-fucking-doo for the NFC East. It might be the "toughest" 
division now, but it might not have been a decade ago, and it may not 
be a decade from now. Does it really matter? 

I always thought that divisions were created to take advantage of geographic
rivalries (so why don't they switch Phoenix and Atlanta??), not to promote
competition between divisions. But then again, I guess they accomplish that
by scheduling divisions to play each other through the course of a season.
But comparing entire divisions (and conferences) rather than just 
individual teams still seems pointless. 

Bart
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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Re: NFL Labor Accord Reached
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 22:44:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.173354.19239@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF) writes:
>The thing that I didn't understand (and wasn't mentioned, at least not
>in the Globe) is whether or not, and how often if so, a team can
>change their designation of who's the "franchise" player.  Take for
>instance, Dallas.  This year, they say Smith is their franchise
>player, and sign him to a 6 year deal.  Next year, they say Aikman is
>their franchise player (so he cannot become a free agent (please don't
>hassle me about not being in the league for 5 years - this is just an
>example)), and sign him for a 6 year deal, thus preventing other teams
>from being allowed to bid on him during the contract negotiations.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>Go Dallas
>

When a team declares someone
a "franchise player" they cannot declare
another during the life of the first player's contract.
What teams wil probably start doing is signing their star players
to long term contracts before their previous deals are
over.  In this manner, they won't have to worry about losing them
to free agency.

Jason Gische
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From: rocko@ireland.ssc.gov (Rick O'Leary)
Subject: Re: Bills 27 , Steelers 24 BA HA HA
Reply-To: rocko@ireland.ssc.gov (Rick O'Leary)
Organization: 8-Track Museum of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:00:20 GMT

In article <1ig638INNd8h@shelley.u.washington.edu>, wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) writes:
|> What more can I say?  I'll elaborate on this Sunday.
|> wessir
|> 


Will you elaborate on how wrong you were?

Will you try to weasle out of that post?

Or will you just not post here?

Rocko
"I was a Steeler fan when Rocky was in Nam and Rush was in Pittsburgh"
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  7 Jan 1993 03:42:03 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: My NFL Playoff Predictions
	<1993Jan6.190803.6740@pbhyg.PacBell.COM>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 6-Jan-93 Re: My NFL
Playoff Predictions 4E150M@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (2408)

> The 'Bolts have played very well over the last several months.  The
> big knock that people put on them was that they didn't beat a
> playoff team.  Well, they beat K.C. and have as many playoff wins
> over the last 10 years as the Eagles. :-)


yeah, the two big knocks people have on SD this year are: they had a
weak schedule and they didn't beat any teams over .500 except Indy.
People seem to miss the fact that, although SD didn't beat any of the
"upper eschelon" teams they played early on, they also *DID*NOT*LOSE* to
the "shitty" teams they played. SF, Washington and Dallas all lost to
Phoenix (SD beat Phoenix), Miami and Buffalo lost to Indianapolis (SD
beat them twice--one was a shutout), Pittsburgh lost to Cleveland (SD
beat Cleveland *in* Cleveland). So maybe SD didn't win the games against
the "tough" teams, but they didn't fold in the "easy" games, either,
like the above-mentioned teams all did at least once (I'm sure I could
find a game Philly choked on too, but none come to mind).

--Vernon.
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