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I memorized this in anticipation of our daughter, born in February.
A friend painted a mural on the nursery walls based on this wonderful poem.
Reproduced without permission.  (Syntax not correct.)

-Becky Naqvi
 Hewlett-Packard

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Wynken, Blynken, and Nod 
    by Eugene Field

Wynken, Blynken, and Nod
one night sailed off in a wooden shoe.
Sailed on a river of crystal light
into a sea of dew.
"Where are you going and what do you wish?"
the old moon asked the three.
"We have come to fish for the herring fish
that live in this beautiful sea.
Nets of silver and gold have we,"
said Wynken, Blynken, and Nod

The old moon laughed and sang a song
as they rocked in the wooden shoe.
And the wind that blew them all night long
ruffled the waves of dew.
The little stars were the herring fish
that live in the beautiful sea.
"Cast your nets wherever you wish,
Never afeared are we", 
so cried the stars to the fishermen three,
Wynken, Blynken, and Nod.

All night long their nets they threw
to the stars in the twinkling foam.
Then down from the skies came the wooden shoe, 
bringing the fisherman home.
Twas all so pretty a sail,
it seemed that it could not be,
and some folks thought they'd dreamed a dream,
of sailing that beautiful sea.
But I shall name you the fisherman three,
Wynken, Blynken, and Nod.

Wynken and Blynken are two little eyes,
and Nod is a little head.
And the wooden shoe that sailed the skies
is a wee one's trundle bed.
So close your eyes while mother sings
of wonderful sights that be,
And you shall see the beautiful things
as you rock on the misty sea,
where the old shoe rocked the fishermen three,
Wynken, Blynken, and Nod.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: brighid@bass.lkw.com (Brighid)
Subject: Re: Class Sizes
Organization: Lakewood Corporation
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 16:59:50 GMT


Ah, grammer school. Isn't that related to state sponsored terrorism? :)

I'm 29 and so I started kindergarten (eep!) 24 years ago. It wasn't until
high school that I had classes as big as 30, and I don't think they
ever passed that mark. My recollection of grammer school was more on the
20-25 children per class. (Based on number of kids per desk group, and
number of desk groups.)

Also  remember that some teachers spend a lot of time trying to teach
kids how to cope. Once they learn that, then they can learn things like
reading and math. I believe it's Boston that has an entire grammer school
(or program at least) devoted to helping school age children deal with
the fact that a close relative or friend died a violent death. (All too
frequently, in front of the child.)

Brighid                              mom-to-be in May of 93!
brighid@bass.lkw.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns)
Subject: Re: parent/child relationships
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:26:59 GMT

> How can you teach children to be respectful if you don't respect
>them?

During an extremely stressful race to make our plane I gave up and
yelled at my daughter "HOLD STILL, I NEED TO PUT YOUR SHOES ON!"

Well, lots of good that did, she went from giggling and running 
away to a heap of tears on the floor.

The next day, on the way to school, my husband and I were treated
to the following lecture from the back seat...

"You should never scream at little girls, it just makes them cry.
You should just talk nice to little girls, and they will be nice
to you.  If you want a little girls to do something, you ask her
nicely and say please." 

Well, these pearls of wisdom from our almost three year old do
work for us.  Occasionly we do have to add "Please put on your
shoes, I don't want to have to scream at you." And it seems
to work rather cheerfully.  Maybe you could ask your child what
would work for them?

(By the way, she does practice what she preaches, when dealing with
little girl friends she always asks in the nicest voice, "Please
don't run in the street, it's dangerous," and what do you know, 
those little girls come back, their mothers are flabbergasted.)

						Cathy
From: rickp@shady.UUCP (Rick Poleshuck)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: 13 Year old travel to Egypt
Keywords: travel, egypt
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:17:46 GMT
Reply-To: rickp@shady.UUCP (Rick Poleshuck)
Organization: ShadeTree Software, Inc.

My 13 year old daughter has been engrossed in the study of ancient
Egypt for several years and now has the opportunity of actually
travelling to Egypt with her grandparents. 

I personally have never travelled abroad and I am a little concerned
about her travelling alone. I would appreciate any tips from the
Usenet community. 

Unfortunately, I connect to Usenet through the generosity of a friend
and do not have the opportunity to read this newsgroup. If I receive
responses, I will follow up with a summary. 

Thanx.

--
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From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Doing Laundry
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:25:56 GMT


Linda Harbin wrote:

>One thing I found handy was I did a load of laundry every
>day:  whites on Monday, towels on Tuesday, dark clothes
>on Wednesday, etc.

I used to separate my laundry before the girls were born, 
but now, since there is so much to do after work, I just
keep throwing clothes in the washer until I have enough 
for a load, then I do the wash.  There is everything in
there, whites, darks, towels, etc.

I guess I'm just lucky, because nothing ever runs, and my
clothes come out nicely.

I couldn't even imagine having time to separate laundry.

Lately, it seems that I only have time to do dishes, laundry,
take care of the kids, go to work, and collapse into bed, 
only to wake up a few hours later to nurse the baby.

But they're worth it :-).

Sandy

From: ivy@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Ivy Griffiths)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:22:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Long-sleeved Onesies
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

Try a palucho from JC Penney's.  You can order them from their catalog and
they come in packages of two, for about 8 dollars.  The best part about them
besides their price is the fact they button down the front so you don't have to
pull a shirt over their head (especially if they've had a gross diaper leak.
They're cotton, but not as thick (or expensive) as Biobottoms or after the
stork. They also sell them at their stores.


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tostan@bert.lerc.nasa.gov (Stan Mohler)
Subject: EXPERIMENTING WITH BABY FORMULA
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:04:21 GMT


Our 3-month old is still getting up several times a night and is fussy alot.
His fussiness temporarily decreased when we switched from milk-based to soy-
based formula.  But now it looks like he's fired up again.  Would someone please
list all the different formulas and what they're based on (i.e., Enfamil is milk
-based, etc).  We'd loke to try something else.   we know one couple who use
a very expensive formula that is neither milk-based OR soy-based because heir
daughter was very allergic to both!  any thoughts?

-- 

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NASA Lewis Research Center     	|    
Cleveland, Ohio  44135         	|     email: tostan@bert.lerc.nasa.gov 
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From: shack@cs.arizona.edu (David Shackelford)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 20/20 and Spanking
Date: 8 Nov 92 08:10:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Nov5.154859.2023@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
 >In article <25819@optima.cs.arizona.edu> shack@cs.arizona.edu (David
 >Shackelford) writes:
 >
 >>
 >>Another thing I might do that sounds cruel to anti-spankers is to
 >>scold, tell him he's going to get spanked, and make him wait for
 >>it (and think about it during the wait).  This is how my parents
 >>connected the offense to the punishment, and I can attest to its
 >>effectiveness.
 >>

How convenient -- you seem to have deleted the comment which prompted
my response.  Well, it goes like this: "There is no way to link the
spanking to the misbehavior and what must be done instead".  This
is a real-life situation that I can remember vividly.  I plan to have
it available in my group of possible disciplinary actions.  That
this group also includes timeout, grounding, positive reinforcement,
loss of priviledges, etc.  is not apparent because I don't want
to clutter up the airwaves with such an enumeration.  My other posts
clearly state my intention to try things until something works.

 >
 >>It is not ineffective.  Proof by contradiction.  I was spanked by
 >>my parents.  I am well-adjusted and have normal (if somewhat
 >>conservative) values.  Spanking was effective with me.  Therefore
 >>it is not ineffective.  QED.
 >>
 >>
 >
 >Dave,
 >I am convinced that you do not have kids based upon your descriptions of
 >punishment like the one above. You are probably just doing this to raise a
 >fuss. You have achieved your goal. I would suggest though that before you have
 >kids, please take some kind of instruction audio, video, classroom, or
 >anything. You will learn that what you have passed on as well adjusted, normal
 >punishment is actually just the opposite of what you should be doing.

You have no place telling me what I should be doing, nor does anyone
else.  I don't tell you how to raise your kids either.  I merely state
that arguments such as "never spank" are illogical and try to provide
supporting evidence.

Why doesn't my experiences as a child, which I remember very well even
though they happened more than two decades ago, matter to you?  Also,
why do you assume I have had no "instruction"?  I have observed child
rearing activities for my own purposes (cataloging actions and
results) for over twenty years, and my conclusions are that at various
times every technique known to man works, and at other times every
technique fails.  I reject any argument containing never or always.
What's wrong with a little skepticism???
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: washing detergents
Summary: cheer-free anyone?
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:48:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


I have sensitive skin and we use cheer-free for the laundry.  Would this
be ok for baby clothes?  Or would Ivory Snow be better?  Anyone
with babies sensitive to Ivory Snow detergent?

Christine
first-time-mom-2-b 1/1/9/93
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331)
Subject: Cute things they say- 3.8YO
Reply-To: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:09:53 GMT

Last weekend we had out company picnic and my 3.8YO son Matthew got to meet quite a few of the Engineers I work with - he played frisbee with them and stuff.. got on great.

Monday morning as I was leaving for work (Dad had the kids - he`s a Fireman and was off duty) I asked him if there was anything he wanted me to pass on to my co-workers - a message or something ..........

Sleepily he said, "Yes, Tell them to always listen to their Mummy"  I was SO proud - I guess it sunk in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alice, Alleycat or the Brit :-)

Motorola Paging Div		Phone: (407) 364-2572
Mail stop 36			Fax:  (407) 364-3571
1500 NW 22nd Ave		Email: alice_bertelson@pts.mot.com
Boynton Bch, FL 33426. USA


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: macko@rtsg.mot.com (Terri Macko)
Subject: Re:  20/20 and spanking
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:59:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov04.235608.2219839@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>In article <1d6s18INN9uh@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
>>
>	2)  Insist that your child look at you.  Children love to look
>	    away so they can pretend they didn't hear.  It is important
>	    that you have your child's undivided attention and having them
>	    look at you does this.
>-- 
>Judy Leedom Tyrer
>

I agree that you need to make sure that your child is paying attention
to you, and you need to get the child to answer your statements and 
questions.  Please remember though that it is normal for anyone's eyes
to scan from side to side when accessing or processing information.
Also, sometimes the eyes defocus when people are picturing an idea in
their mind, which is sometimes mis-interpreted as daydreaming.  The main
indicator should be if the child answers or not.  Young children may need
to look directly at you, but many older children do not.

Here's something that was very important for me as a child:  give the child 
time to process the info before expecting an answer. The child may not 
immediately be able to verbalize an answer because she's talking it over 
to herself (considering it) in her mind.  Just give the child an extra
minute or two to answer you.  You are right to keep the statements 
simple and short.  It's a good idea not to overwhelm a child with 5 separate 
ideas followed by "Well?, What do you have to say for yourself?" ;)

Having a child look directly at an adult is an American custom.  There are
many other cultures which require children to look down as a show of
respect.  This is significant knowledge for anyone caring for other's children.

-Terri
-- 
Terri Macko,  Motorola Cellular		1501 W. Shure Drive, IL27-2237
macko@orange.rtsg.mot.com        	Arlington Heights, IL 60004-1497
        These are my thoughts, not Motorola's.  (They normally take
         two years to catch on.)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: a new fun thread??
Organization: TI DSEG, Spring Creek, Plano, Tx.
	<LOWRY.92Nov2145030@rotor.watson.ibm.com>
	<kezdaX_00WBME304Bj@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:02:12 GMT

In article <kezdaX_00WBME304Bj@andrew.cmu.edu> Judi Mancuso <jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> she got this real disgusted look on her face and said "that is a
> terrible name--Toni--for such a feminine little girl, ..."

	Remember the Captain and Tenille, i.e., Daryl Dragon and
_Toni_ Tenille?  I distinctly remember Tenille being feminine... :-)

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.                                  +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
    WARNING: The Surgeon General is both a surgeon AND a general.  So watch it.
From: newell@sequent.com (Donald Newell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 20/20 SPANKING COMPLAINT
Keywords: Long ...
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:19:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov5.091927.10979
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov4.162936.10563@cs.brown.edu> mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine) writes:
> [ ... Deletions]
...
>I will give a few examples from our recent history to try (maybe) to give
>a flavor for what happens in our house with respect to spanking.  The
>last time we spanked one of our kids was last night.  Anna is almost fully
>toilet-trained, but she did wet her pants.  The consequence of wetting 
>her pants is that we give her some dry panties and pants, and she needs
>to change out of her wet ones and into her dry ones (we help with the
>dressing, if necessary).  We brought her upstairs, and she refused to
>change.  She was saying "NO! NO! NO!" and refusing to do anything.  We
>then sat her down so she could calm down, then asked if she was going
>to change her clothes, or disobey us.  When she still refused to change
>her clothes, we spanked her.  When she clamed down again, we encouraged
>her to confess (yes, we are a Christian household) that she had disobeyed,
>and she did pray a little prayer to say she was sorry for rebelling.
>Then she told us she was sorry, and we assured her that even though she
>had disobeyed we still loved her and forgave her.  Then, she changed her
>clothes willingly.  I was actually quite surprised at this scene, because
>usually she loves to change her clothes (or at least, take them off!).
>
> [ ...]
>Anyhow, I have now stuck my neck out.  I would be happy to dialog with
>interested parents who want to understand my perspective on spanking
>better.
>
>-- Misty
>



 Totally apart from spanking, this confession business seems wrong. I
 don't know how many times I've sat through long, irritating, annoying
 arguments with my son regarding the propriety  of something he has done,
 only to realise he was right. Even more often, these discussions have 
 pointedly demonstrated to me how many rules are made for ensuring parental
 convenience - and not much else. It is even worse when you hit. How do you
 take it back? Why should your kids be honest with you if they know they're
 gonna get whacked? 

 I am generally skeptical of dissecting a conflict based only on one parties
 perceptions. However, even taking the events described at face value, I
 still don't understand why whipping was necessary. Because the child was 
 upset for a moment -  because she didn't want to change into clean clothes? 
 Or because she wasn't obeying you? 

 It's just that the underlying logic escapes me. Since a child is weaker,
 less developed emotionally, and dependent on us for life, this means we
 should feel free to hit them?

 Don N.
From: jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Suppositories DURING pregnancy
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:16:51 GMT
Organization: Tigers Inc.

Hi,
I believe laxative suppositories are verboten in a pregnancy; how about
nausea-suppresing suppositories (e.g. nauseatol or gravol) ?
Please email to jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
Thanks,
Jimmy
--
jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: Feeling no need to spank (was 20/20 and spanking)
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:16:41 GMT

Claire, your child sounds just like Alex at 2.  He has always been a very good
kid.  But now at 33m he is in a much more aggressive stage, and has tried to
hit, kick, push me several times.  We just catch him and tell him we don't
hurt other people (I tried "We don't hit, kick, etc.," but he just tries a new
method, taking me quite literally ;-)).  It does work.  Last week his nursery
teacher said he had a great day.  He walked in and said "I'm not going to push
today," and then he didn't!

I admit, I never felt like hitting either until last week.  Alex needed to use
a breathing machine, and he needed it right away.  But he's been scared of it
lately and tantrumed.  I've been a wreck too, with this illness (asthma?), and
feel like I have no reserves.  I came very close to smacking him (once),
to get him quiet enough for the medicine.  I hit the bed instead, with a big
yell.  That scared him too, and he switched to plain old crying, which I was
able to handle better.  We did get the medicine in him a minute later.

He also does test limits lots on purpose now, but it's often so inventive it's
harder not to laugh or kiss him and lose all credibility (usually over
bedtime).

So if you think you have no limits, don't worry, your child will undoubtably
find them :-)
From: srb@aretha.jax.org (Susan Dewey)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Long-sleeved Onesies
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:08:29 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Distribution: na
Organization: The Jackson Laboratory

In article <TIGGER.92Nov8024853@satyr.Sylvan.COM>, tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM
(Grace Sylvan) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov5.191217.19625@keps.kodak.com> mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch) writes:
> 
>    I was recently looking for some long-sleeved onesies for shower/baby gifts.
>    I had some when my now 4YO was a baby, and thought they were great.  I couldn't
>    find any, and was wondering whether anyone has seen long-sleeved onesies by
>    Gerber or any other manufacturer.  Are they non-existant or just harder to
>    find?  Thanks a lot.
> 

Our very favorite onsies were actually called Piluchas (sp?) and sold at
JC Penny. They have snap up fronts, with an around the crotch flap that
snaps at the waist -- ideal for dressing while the child is in your lap. 
They come in neat designs or plain colors. Cost: 2 for ~$8.

Susan Dewey
srb@aretha.jax.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: thanks for the comebacks
From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 16:25:10 PST
Distribution: na
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.
Keywords: appreciation
Summary: thank you

Hello, all you who responded to my message asking for suggestions 
about my sons favoring his right foot,,, to date he has not seen 
a specialist.  I was informed ,and reassured by the messages I got
Thanx again and cheers...

           jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross)
     The Old Frog's Almanac  (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)    
(604) 245-3205 (v32)    <Public Access UseNet>    (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)
        Vancouver Island, British Columbia    Waffle XENIX 1.64
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 20/20 and Spanking
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:44:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:
|> In a few years, unless perhaps my daughter has inherited my
|> wife's legs, I expect to whack her regularly with a steel rod,
|> about .125 x .125 x 37 inches, weighing about 17 ounces.
|> 
|> Of course, I expect to take a few whacks, myself.

I don't really understand this--perhaps there's some inside idea
that I'm not getting?   

Why would one plan on "whack[ing] her regularly" with anything,
let alone a steel rod (of any size)?

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: kperdue@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Karla Perdue)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:56:03 GMT
Subject: Re: A Balanced Diet (Was Re: Halloween Stories)
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino