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From: jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis)
Subject: Re: The Secret Agent
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:02:28 GMT

   I recently saw for the first time the 1935 film of David Copperfield,
which I thought was one of the best film versions of a novel ever.
Horribly sentimental, of course, but what do you expect from Dickens.
W.C. Fields as Macawber was perhaps the greatest single stroke of
casting in the history of cinema.

   I never read Wuthering Heights.  The film was a so-so movie but with
an absolutely incredible performance by Olivier. 

   Perhaps the classic film translation of a novel is one that most
people won't even think of because it's so perfect:  The Maltese Falcon.
There's a story, which may be apocryphal, that Huston created the
screenplay by simply giving a copy of the novel to his secretary and
telling her to type it up in screenplay format.  It's certainly true
that the film follows the book almost verbatim -- more so than any other
novel-based film I can think of.  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Books as Objets D'Art
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:09:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.213414.15641@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>,
 lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat) writes:
>mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:
>>  
>> Not a bad idea for a thread.  What books qualify as an objet d'art?
>>  
>> I'll nominate THE BOOK OF KELLS -- which is in the Long Library at
>> Trinity College Dublin, and is, indeed, beautiful.  Any others?
>
>The Kelmscott Chaucer.
>
>And most other Kelmscott editions.  I'm told that until a few months
>ago, a certain book arts gallery in town (Tucson, AZ) had a Kelmscott 
>Chaucer on display, but I didn't find out about it until it was sold.
>The gallery is most interesting, even sans Morris/Burne-Jones finery.
>
>I keep hoping some owner of a Kelmscott Chaucer will let it be destroyed
>in the name of creating reproductions.
>
>	Larry "Morris fan" Hammer
>--
>
	In my student days I swear I ran across just exactly the book
you describe, wanted to buy it, ands never could afford it.  But
I'm sure such a volume exists.

Erik Timmerman

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From: ag@sics.se (Anders G|ransson)
Subject: Re: "Authors in Popsongs" quiz
Organization: GRAMMA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:43:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.073328.19163@kub.nl> wietske@kub.nl (W. Sijtsma) writes:



    4.  Dead tongues, said the poet to the daughter of burlesque
        Cocteau, Van Gogh and Geronimo, they used up what was
             left
The Band


    6.  You're having tea with Graham Greene
        In the coloured costume of your choice
        And you'll be thought in high esteem
        If you're seen in between

John Cale


    7.  You were the sensitive woman
        I was the very reverend Freud
        You were the manual orgasm
        I was the dirty little boy

Imitiation of Leonard Cohen

   11.  Ezra Pound and T.S. Eliot fighting in the captain's
             tower
        While calypso singers laugh at them and fishermen hold
             flowers

Elvis Presley


   25.  Norman Mailer
        Waits to nail her
        He's under the bed
        And he's waiting for her to be dead

Benny Andersson




--


If you see Saint Annie, please tell her - Thanks a lot.
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From: heidi@wales.net.com (Heidi Wolf)
Subject: Black Humor (Was Re: The Truth According to Mickie Medved)
Keywords: Peter Barnes
Organization: N.E.T., Redwood City, CA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:47:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.211016.23638@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
writes:
>This thread apparently bloomed and died during my absence. I 
>revive it here simply to urge everyone interested in the question of 
>death-camp humor to look for the (I think) brilliant play _Laughter_, 
>by Peter Barnes. 

I also recommend RED NOSES by the same author, and for the same reasons.

From the blurb on the back cover:  "France, 1348.  The Black Death
is rampaging through Europe.  Society and its institutions are all 
in chaos.  Pope Clement VI sits between two braziers giving audience
through a mirror to avoid infection.  The Flagellants roam the country
offering redemption through pain.  Father Flote leads another heresy:
he and his touring band of red-nosed comics offer redemption through
bad jokes, bawdry and laughter."

They get burned at the stake as heretics, of course.  On stage.


Heidi Wolf

"And stop that pestilential howling!
 You call it singing, I call it neuralgia."

    -- Pope Clement VI, in RED NOSES
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Why I am thrilled with the QPBC
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:29:07 GMT


fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
 
> Not to rain on the wet-noses parade here, but I'm curious to hear
> a little more about what QPB's list looks like, these days.  The
> ads offering three books for three bucks *never* have any three
> books that I'm interested in, and I do keep looking.  You see, I
> used to be a big QPB buyer between about 1980 and 1988, but the
> quality of the selections offered declined steadily during that
> period, to the point where I wasn't ever finding anything I wanted.
> This may have reflected a change in my reading habits, but I don't
> think so--certainly I still read lots of trash.
 
> But I figure it this way: if I can't find even three books in their
> ad that appeal to me, then why should I re-instate my membership?
 
Their monthly selection is certainly larger than the selection
in their ads.  One solution is to find someone who is now a member,
and look through their booklet.  If the selection appeals to you, 
then there is a good reason to join, because you can get the same
deal (3 books, $3, no need to order more books), and select books
from the guide, rather than the ad.
 
In addition, the current member will also get two free books.
 
Mark
 
 
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From: lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon Ponschock)
Subject: Hey, you that bought the Madonna _Sex_ book...
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:09:34 GMT
Summary: Question posed to the group
Keywords: Madonna,_Sex_


==>  I would like to know if any purchasers of the Madonna book, 
_Sex_,  feel ripped off.

	Do you think it was worth good value for the money esp. 
regarding the content, leaving aside the workmanship etc?

Thanks.

lon
-- 
   Question Recently
   Posed to the Net:'Kukla, Fran & Ollie' which one is which?
   Answer: Tom Servo is Kukla, Crooow is Ollie and Joel is Fran.
   lon@edsi.plexus.com
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Books as Objets D'Art
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:25:21 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Stephanie Moskal Fysh writes:

	Mark Taranto writes:

		Not a bad idea for a thread.  What books qualify as an 
		objet d'art?

	I'll nominate THE BOOK OF KELLS -- which is in the Long Library at
	Trinity College Dublin, and is, indeed, beautiful.  Any others?

	Much of the work of Baskerville in the 18th century could be 
	called objets d'art because of their fine typography.  Many 
	other books may qualify on the basis of fine binding.  Books 
	of engraving often would be considered objets d'art.

Now there is a battle royal. John Baskerville's work for the Cambridge 
University Press versus Eric Gill's for the Golden Cockerel Press. They
both made enormous contributions to everyday typography, and both 
produced some superb objects of art. Baskerville's AESOP's FABLES against 
Gill's CANTERBURY TALES. Last time I visited, Basil Blackwell's rare
book shop in that country house just South of Oxford was a place of
pilgrimage, but the Old Boy is dead now.
						
						Fido
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Clerihewing
Date: 17 Nov 1992 06:59:03 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu
Originator: goldfarb@tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <1e943bINNrp@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
)...but how on earth does an Indian get "verse" to
)rhyme with "Boomers"? I'd say that's a stretch.
)
)							Col. Fido.
)							Indian Army, retd.

	Pronounce "Boomers" with the accent on the second syllable,
and with an unvoiced 's'. What could be simpler?

-- 
   David Goldfarb          | "Bagels can be an enormous force for good or for 
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |  evil. It is up to us to decide how we will use
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     |  them."    -- Daniel M. Pinkwater
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From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Ate in Arcadia. Eggo.
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:32:18 GMT

Ted B Samsel writes:
	
	Then there's the old "revolutionary" maxim attributed to several,
	(Mao, Lenin, etc.)
	  "To make an omelet, one must break eggs"




Attributed to Hermann Goering in 1933 in "The Cynic's Lexicon" by Jonathon 
Green, but he doesn't say that Goering originated it.



William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: [UPI] Library attacked for buying Madonna's Sex book
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:01:29 GMT


gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
 
>francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
>| Barbara Hlavin writes:
>|
>|      Carl M. Kadie writes:
>|
>|              The libaray ordered four copies of the book at $49.95
>|              each with money provided by an anonymous donor. Two
>|              of the copeis will be used for general circulation in
>|              the Fine Arts section and two will be used in the
>|              Reference section
>|
>|      Reference?? Is this the same library that shelved Adrienne
>|      Rich's _An Atlas of the Difficult World_ in Geography?
>|
>| If Ms Rich and her publisers are stupid enough to come up with such
>| a title for what? a novel? then why are you going after the Huston
>| Librarians for misplacing it?
 
> That's cute.  You gotta admit.
 
Interesting assessment.  I'd be more inclined to say "That's rich."
 
Mark
 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.history
From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Re: Crystal Palaces
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:10:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.123650.17571@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.142238.3235@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>
>cohen@cumuli.vmsmail.ethz.ch (Mark Cohen) writes:
>
>>The 'original' crystal palace was constructed in London to house the Great
>>Exhibition of 1851. The building was designed by Joseph Paxton and was 
>>erected in Hyde Park. The Exhibition ran until October 1851 after which
			.
			.
			.
>Idneed it does; many thanks.  (A reference would be most welcome.)
There was what I remember as a good treatment in
a *Scientific American* treatment, probably in
the late '70s.  I recommend it.  It is appropri-
ately marveling (to update the wonder: how is it
that an *amateur* like Paxton could build some-
thing so novel, IN A YEAR, when we software
professionals can take even longer to turn out
accounting packages forDjikstra'ssake, that
*still* don't work?!?  Follow-ups to comp.soft-
ware-eng, or someplace else), and accurate, at
least to the limit of my memory.
>But my question is more generally literary in nature, -- how did
>this image come to stand not just for material, but also for moral
>progress?  I can make an educated guess in the case of Dostoyevsky,
By way of Neoplatonism--at least, that's the
flippant answer I've always had in mind, and I
have yet to come across a reason to examine it
more closely.  The social resolutions of some
of the questions of the day (High Church-Low
Church, ...) incorporated themes that hark back
to Blake, the Cambridge Platonists, and even
the Gothic impulses of the Middle Ages; those
were people who took illumination seriously.
In particular, the light which enters a build-
ing carried, for them, moral, as well as
material, value.

Also, I think the (abandonment of the) window
tax had something to do with it.  The *SciAm*
article probably mentions this.
>but other, Western examples, would be greatly appreciated.
			.
			.
			.
-- 

Cameron Laird
claird@Neosoft.com (claird%Neosoft.com@uunet.uu.net)	+1 713 267 7966
claird@litwin.com (claird%litwin.com@uunet.uu.net)  	+1 713 996 8546
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Sunday Times BOOKS
Date: 20 Nov 1992 13:02:59 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Jeremy Henderson writes:

	Francis Muir writes:

		The OBSERVER and SUNDAY TIMES are particularly pleasant 
		adjuncts to the trad Brit Brekker, but because it is 
		Sunday eaten in bed courtesy the Little Woman.

	I'm afraid that you are sadly behind the times, Fido. 

Don't you mean "sadly behind THE TIMES"?

	Under the stewardship of the absurd Andrew Neil, the 
	Sunday Times has become an over-sized tabloid, purveyor 
	of mindless tittle-tattle concerning the royal family,
	and other nonentities. The Sunday morning dilemma now 
	concerns the Observer and the Independent On Sunday.

Nevertheless, it was our esteemed fellow netter and pseudo-Finn, Marko 
Amstell (but isn't that a Beer?) who was commenting on the Book Reviews
in the SUNDAY TIMES. Can you bring me -- and perhaps others -- up to date
and explain just where the INDEPENDENT came from and isn't there also
this EUROsomething paper?

								Fido
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 23:40:30 EST
From: Kevin Foss <IO20816@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: WANTED: Severin's "Odyssey"

If any one has any information where I can order the book "Sea Search for the
Odyssey" by Tim Severin, or even would be willing to sell a copy that they
have I would be very interested.   The book is out of print, though if anyone
needs/wants the information I can supply the name of the publisher and ISBN #.
I have been looking for this book for over a year (it was advertised in the
Rouse translation of the Odyssey published by Mentor) and would really like
to get a copy.   My local libraries don't have the book, and being out of
print neither can local book distributors/wholesalers.   The book was
advertised in Barnes and Noble as recently as last Spring, but upon calling
they said they no longer carried the title (argh!).   Anyways I would really
like to find a copy of this book, (hardcover, large trade preferred... but a
paperback would be fine), and any information would be greatly appreciated.
thanks,
 -Kevin
--
  Kevin A. Foss        EMail:1)  io20816@maine.maine.edu
                             2)  kevin_foss@macact.umeres.maine.edu
--
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From: lew@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (lewis.h.mammel..jr)
Subject: Re: Accuracy in autobiography (was: GENIUS: Richard Feynman)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:37:13 GMT
Summary: naif c'est moi

In article <1e8jstINNnbn@morrow.stanford.edu>, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
> 
> You'd have to be very naif to suppose that Feynman meant the title
> "Surely you're joking, Mr. Feyman" to refer exclusively to the Milk
> or Lemon episode.
> 							Fido

When I read SYJ it never crossed my mind that each and every story
was anything other than his straight recollection. On the other
hand, it was quite obvious to me that the title had a general meaning.
Just as was explained in "Who Stole the Door?", the title means that
people THINK he's joking when he's really telling the truth. Kind
of like Till Eulenspiegel, who always kept his word, even if he didn't
quite do what was expected. ( Actually, he only claims there that
he's "usually honest". )

Well, the germ of doubt has been planted, but I'm still inclined
to accept the stories as pretty much straight.

"Any Questions?" would be a good case in point. There's obviously
no way to verify the details of the climactic night, but why shouldn't
we believe them? Is the story "just too good"? Were these stories
notorious fabrications?

Now I'm confused !

BTW, I check out the radio repair mention in GENIUS, and I didn't
see anything there to cast doubt on the veracity of the radio
story, since it seemed to give a thumbnail account that agreed
with SYJ.

Lew Mammel, Jr.
From: root@alba.e-burg.su (Volkov Alexander Nikolaevich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: I think it's the unfrequently asked question...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:04:54 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: Alba
Reply-To: root@alba.e-burg.su

Does anybody know is there the translation of Vladimir Bogomolov's
literary artworks into English ? Which ? Where ?
Thanks, Alexander Wolkow.
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Surreal Novels About WWII
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:50:46 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)

In article <1992Nov23.195537.12606@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, amnell@klaava (Marko Amnell) writes:
>		I seem to recall that we've already been through this in
>		sci.math, Mr. Wiener.

>	Nothing that I recall, Master Amnell.  Send me e-mail.

>That's better.  Your mnemonic failures are your own responsibility.
>Seek help elsewhere.

Why so coy?  You make insinuations, then be my guest and remind me of
what you recall.  Send me e-mail.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: Balls &c. and numbers thereof.
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:32:25 GMT


Francis Muir writes:
 
        Mark Taranto writes:
 
                <cascade deleted>
 
                I keep hearing about larger prime numbers being found.
                Who the hell looks for these things (this should be
                read with my father's voice, not with mine)?
 
                I figure it must be computer scientists.  A mathematician
                would ever do anything so silly.  He knows that larger
                primes are there, that they are not divisible by four,
                and is satisfied with the knowledge.
 
        It is worse than that. There was a time when some interesting number
        theoretic stuff went into finding large primes (start by looking
        through Knuth's SEMINUMERICAL METHODS), but it is clear from the
        small increment that persons are now just using the same algorithms
        on slightly larger machines. Big Deal. Since Guinness prints the
        number and the computer it was found on, we may be looking at a
        marketing gimmick from one of the computer manufacturers. Cray
        has done several, so it may be one of the others, and a less
        scientific one. Your guess is as good as mine.
 
        I know its probably not true, but I like to think that Joe Green
        correctly guessed the last Biggie that Cray produced.
 
There might be something to this thought that Francis has.  As a lark,
I did a word-count on Joe's Magnum Opus, WELL MET IN MINNESOTA.  The
results are startling:
 
        >wc well.met
 
                    1973   13421   76441 well.met
                      |      |       |
                      |      |       |
                      |      |       |
                      |      |       |
                      |      |       |
                      |      |       The number of characters in the file.
                      |      |       76441 is prime.
                      |      |
                      |      The number of words in the file.
                      |      13421 is prime.
                      |
                      |
                      The number of lines in the file.
                      1973 is prime.
 
Joe Green is, clearly, a leader in the field of Prime Number Generation.
 
 
Mark
From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Jonathan Kozol (was Re: Well, Nichael??)
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:55:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Nov20.151617.29257@csusac.csus.edu>, yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot) writes:
> _Rachel and Her Children_ was the winner of the Robert F. Kennedy Book Award
> in 1989.  It deals with homeless children, mostly in New York City (where
> there is more paid to flea-infested falling-down "hotels" to house homeless
> than a decent shelter would cost) with side trips to other cities, and with

Who did you think the welfare system was supposed to help?  Poor people?
Don't kid yourself.  By the way, San Francisco pays $1500/month for
single rooms in rat-infested, health-code violating hotels that probably 
couldn't attract any paying customers at all.  Thank goodness the 
government operates a welfare system, or they would have to shut down!

> ---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | A lifetime of smirking behind your hand
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
We could say that Congress spends money like drunken sailors.  But that would
be unfair -- to the sailors.  They, at least, are spending their own money.
From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Sunday Times BOOKS
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:21:13 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

There's a first time for everything.  For whatever reason, I discovered
today that I had read the Sunday Times BOOKS section in its entirety
for the first time.  What could have occasioned this feat, a bit like the
first time you noticed you had completed the New York Times crossword
puzzle?  Looking back through the reviews, I find nothing out of the 
ordinary -- Harvey Porlock on Julian Barnes-bashing over _The Porcupine_,
Gerald Kaufman bashing Nigel Lawson's "clumbsily written, sprawling, 
ungrammatical, repetitious" memoirs, a review of a new Dali biography 
by John Carey, Frank Whitford on a collection of art anecdotes,
a biography of R.L. Stevenson, Peter O'Toole's memoirs (half devoted to
a discussion of Adolf Hitler), an autobiography of Denis Johnston, an
article about Shakespeare's alleged homosexuality, reviews of a half a
dozen new novels and two travel books, a review of a _A Mouthful of
Air_ by Anthony Burgess and a bunch of mini reviews of paperbacks.  Why
did I never finish the section before?  Just wondering.... Hm...
Anybody else read The Sunday Times BOOKS section?  Ever finish it?
Always finish it??

-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
From: Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Maldoror
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:18:04 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <1992Nov15.011624.10755@klaava.Helsinki.FI> amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell) writes:
>Here's a little something I thought fans of surrealist writing might
>enjoy seeing.  It's from _Les Chants de Maldoror_ by Isidore Ducasse,
						      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>first published in Paris in 1868 (translated by Paul Knight):

Well, yes, technically it's by Isidore Ducasse, but published under
the name Le Compte de Lautreamont (sp?) (so you'll find it under 'L' in
the bookshop), he reverted to Ducasse when publishing his 'Poems' which
stand in ironic counterpoint to 'Maldoror'. 

I've never really seen the book as essentially a surrealist work (despite
its being 'discovered' by that crowd) although acknowledging the surreal
quality of some of the writing. It should also appeal to fans of the
gothic novel and also fans of postmodernism. Its especially recommended for
devout Christians :-)

CHR$