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From: Harvey.Smith@p0.f1.n7002.z8.FIDONET.ORG (Harvey Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Need help with grammar (was: Re: An open letter to Harvey)
Date: 26 Jul 92 02:26:52 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 8:7002/1.0

To: Aaron Heller
> The Jews crucified their Messiah at the hands of the Romans.
 AJ=>Could someone please parse this sentence for me?  Thanks.

There is absolutely no grammar for the above anti semitic remark..



 


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From: tom@portland.mdc.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: An open letter to Harvey
Date: 17 Jul 92 20:01:48 GMT
Organization: Unisys - Applied Technology

Harvey Smith writes:
>To: Kenneth Joffe
>
>In a message of <Jul 09 16:36>, Kenneth M. Joffe (1:30163/150) writes:
> KM=>Now I have my own simple question, does anyone get the sense that 
> KM=>Mr.
>>Segard is trying to minimize the responsibility of the 1st century Jews and
>>their leaders in the crucifixion of Jesus, especially in light of the fact
>>that the Bible uses words like "rejected," "persecuted," and murdered," to
>>describe their actions?

No, Harvey, Kenneth Joffe did not write this, I did.  Please verify your
attributions before posting messages.  This is more than once I have seen
you wrongly attribute things written in a.m.

>Nope not at all.  Our People and their leaders rejected Yeshua as Messiah, 
>and the gentiles crucified Him...

You are incorrect.  The Jews crucified their Messiah at the hands of the
Romans.  Please see Acts 2:36.

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From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Our Father Abraham  M
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:32:02 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/18.0 - Midrash, Denver CO


 -=> Quoting Donna D'iorio to Tom Albrecht <=-
 DD> -!- Maximus 2.00
 DD>  ! Origin: MJCNA Dallas, Tx Private Node (1:124/7022)
     Glad to see that you folks are hooked up once again via the Tx.
     node.  This particular net that you are on, I gather goes out
     world wide via main-frame computers, and 1,000's of people have
     access, compaired to 100's on Fido nets.  Kind of amazing really,
     I was thinking back to how strange a lap-top would have been
     viewed if it suddenly showed up in the 1950's :-)  Things sure
     have changed; but gradual enough I suppose, that we don't
     comprehend just how much sometimes.
     Shalom

... 012 Am Israel Chai! 210        
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From: Malachi.Robertson@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Malachi Robertson)
Subject: Re: clean And Unclean Under The New Cove
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: alt.messianic
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 06:49:02 GMT

Wow, I didn't expect a diagram, but it sure helps.  Thanks for the
information Bill.  I can see how Israel is still Israel and the Church is
still the Church in that one can still tell the natural from the wild
branches (working within the analogy of Romans here).  I have a further
question on this...

Could the "Commonwealth" Israel be considered the Church spoken of in the
New Testament (here viewing this Church as on a higher level than just the
Gentile Church)?

"Malachi" Ian Roberston Brown



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From: Harvey.Smith@p0.f1.n7002.z8.FIDONET.ORG (Harvey Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Who is Harvey Smith...
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:34:54 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 8:7002/1.0


 RA=>1. Are now or have you ever been an ordained minister
 RA=>  of the Assemblies of God church?

I have answered this in depth before, but perhaps you just don't read it.
I am an ordained minister with the AOG, a movement of independent churchs 
and congregations, that join together for world evangelism.

 RA=>  b) If "Yes," kindly explain why you haven't mentioned this yet 
 RA=>on line.
Since i have already, your question is moot.

 RA=>* Is your house of worship affiliated with the Assemblies of God 
 RA=>church?

Our shule is an independent shule affiliated with the AOG..  

 RA=>* Can you provide evidence of your being Jewish or raised Jewish?
 RA=>  Where are you from?  Which yeshiva did you attend and when?

Oy Oy vey....Sure my family tree goes back 200 years...  My mother was 
Pearl Holtzman the daughter of the Rebbe Moti Holtzman of Bilardrudka...
Russia.

My father Jake Herman Smith, is the son of Abraham Smith, who is the son of 
Meir Smith of Poland..who was married to Clara Bronstein of Hamburg 
Germany..

Is that enough for you.  If you want to come to St Louis, you can look at 
their grave stones, of all my family from the early 1900's... onward.. in 
the Jewish cemetary.  and visit our shule for Shabbat as well..
 


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From: Harvey.Smith@p0.f1.n7002.z8.FIDONET.ORG (Harvey Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: A question about Timothy
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:09:02 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 8:7002/1.0


 TA=>My questions:

When you decide to be intellectually honest and apolygise for all your mis 
statements, then and only then would i even consider answering your 
questions. 


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From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Knowing Hashem
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:32:05 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/18.0 - Midrash, Denver CO


 -=> Quoting Rob Strom to All <=-

 RS> From: strom@watson.ibm.com (Rob Strom)
 RS> Date: 22 Jul 92 15:41:17 GMT
 RS> Organization: IBM Research
 RS> Message-ID: <1992Jul22.154117.22108@watson.ibm.com>
 RS> Newsgroups: alt.messianic
 RS> 
 RS> In article <l6p1pdINN5er@pollux.usc.edu>, kjh@pollux.usc.edu
 RS> (Kenneth J. Hendrickson) writes: |> In article
 RS> <9207212100.AA00728@aplpy.jhuapl.edu> levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu
 RS> (Robert I think that the above very frankly states what Messianic
 RS> "Judaism" and all similar evangelical movements are about.  You
 RS> have only one goal --- to convert us to Christianity.  Anything
 RS> else you do is only a means to that end.
      Rob; I have to agree with you on one thing.  You are totally
      confused as to what Messianic Judaism is all about; if you could
      even think of putting that lable on the same box with Tom A. and
      Kenneth H..  But, one thing is a puzzle to me?  Why did you state
      this as: (Robert I think the above...)   Aren't you Robert
      talking TO Kenneth?

... 012 Am Israel Chai! 210  
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From: tom@portland.mdc.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Time out
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:39:26 GMT
Organization: Unisys - Applied Technology

I'll be on vacation for awhile.  My primary news/mail system will be
shutdown to install new software while I'm away.  If you post anything you
want me to see, please send a copy to my alternate address:

    tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com

Peace ...

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From: Harvey.Smith@p0.f1.n7002.z8.FIDONET.ORG (Harvey Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Re: Messianic Judaism 4 Of 4
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:39:22 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 8:7002/1.0


 RA=>That's not the point.  The point is "If you believe in the tenets 
 RA=>of
 RA=>Christianity, why do you deceptively pretend to be a legitimate 
 RA=>Jewish
 RA=>group rather than Christian?"


Robert Robert, we believe that Biblical Judaism is in fact New Covenant, 
which is called Christianity, or the faith of the Messiah to be exact.
This movement as you well know was jewish in origin, and hence is Jewish 
practice, since we now have the Torah of the Messiah.

Second, the non Jews who belong to Messiah, are our brothers in the L-rd, 
and hence we have great fellowship together. As G-d desires to see all the 
Nations saved.  Third, We ascribe to the biblical holidays and join 
together with our Jewish people because we are Jews, and our practice is 
jewish but with Messiah....

Hence there is no greater validation, then to believe in Torah, and 
Messiah. 


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From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: Knowing HaShem
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:26:02 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/18.0 - Midrash, Denver CO


 SW> From: swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren)
 SW> Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
 SW> Message-ID: <1992Jul27.171056.18041@news.eng.convex.com>
 SW> In article <139362.2A720882@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>
 SW> Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG...

I agree.  I think the problem is certain folks "attitude", and how
they go about this.

Shalom

... 012 they heard the Voice of HaShem El*him walking in the garden...210    
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Media bias
Keywords: bias
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:43:44 GMT

In article <Brx4Fw.Cnu@well.sf.ca.us> rab@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Bickford) writes:
>The "World's Smallest Political Quiz" based on the Nolan Chart
>
>  For example, a Republican's policies would score 20 - 30 on the
>"Personal" side and 70 - 80 on the "Economic" side.  The Democrat's
>policies would have similar scores, but swapped.  A Communist would
>score (at most) between 20 and 30 on both, while a Libertarian (or
>classical liberal) would score (at least) between 70 and 80 on both.
>Obviously, a Centrist would score near 50 on both.

There doesn't seem to be enough granularity here, and I'm not
convinced the questions are sufficiently varied to differentiate much.
I took the quiz personally, then took it from the Republican,
Democrat, and libertarian point of views.  Everything but libertarian
wound up hitting right around the center.  That leaves me feeling like
this was a quiz put together by libertarians.

>
>Henry David Thoreau and/or Thomas Jefferson (libertarian);

I'm not convinced that you can say that about Jefferson.

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From: dawdy@tellabs.com (Dan Dawdy)
Subject: Kennedy "philander" song posted
Originator: dawdy@sunk12
Organization: Tellabs, Inc., Lisle, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:14:39 GMT

POSTED TO "alt.binaries.sounds.misc"

KENNEDY.VOC
From the Rush Limbaugh Radio show
"Teddy" singing I'm a Philander

Sample Rate...11.050kHz (Mono)
Format........8 bit VOC
Size..........915,126
Time..........1.23.0
Board.........PAS-16

Many more sounds are being posted to the FTP site in
the comming days.
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Does Rush reply to Internet?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:18:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <BrvCtA.3FL@acsu.buffalo.edu> mjb@acsu.buffalo.edu (Matthew J. Bernhardt) writes:
>U13054@uicvm.uic.edu (Howard Wachtel) writes:
>
>>   For those of us who have neither the time nor the financial resources
>>to subscribe to CompuServe, does Rush even read (much less respond to)
>>e-mail sent to his CompuServe account from the Internet?  Some time ago
>>I recall one poster stating that Rush simply deletes all such mail.
>
>	Nonsense.  I am living proof to the contrary.  I have indeed mailed
>Rush from my humble Unix account, and have received one response out of about
>a half dozen letters.  That's not bad considering that Rush doesn't exactly
>have all the time in the world on his hands.

How true - even when I, humble yet signficant summary writer that I am, 
sent Rush the news that he was mentioned at the end of Stanley Kelly-Bootle's
column in last month's UNIX Review, all he mailed back was "It's about time."
Hmmpphh, he didn't even bother to give the obligatory unix/eunuch joke.
-- 
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                           | Gammera's full of turtle meat, 
74076.1250@Compuserve.com  | We all love you, Gammera."
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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: RUSH LIMBAUGH'S SECRET NON-AGENDA
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:20:16 GMT
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University

In article <BrqwCC.2qp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tbuckley@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Tim Buckley) writes:
>>>>He is not much more than a hate monger hiding behind a smoke-screen 
>>>>which he calls patriotism.  This is not unusual (historically).

>>>I publicly question your ability to back this statement up with some
>>>facts.                               	

>>Well, i have never heard Rush on the subject of race. The only time I was
>>unfortunate enough to hear his program, though, he spoke on censorship. 

>Look I hate to be mean here but your post said that Rush was "nothing
>more than a hate monger".  You were then asked to provide evidence to
>this point.  You respond with 1) an admission that you heard the show
>only once for a few minutes

    Before you get too mean, Tim, you might want to check the attribution
lines you deleted. You will find that the person to whom you responded
was not the person who made the original comment.

>You on the other hand never even attempted to provide the evidence that
>was needed to support your claim that Rush is a hate monger.

    Once again, check your attributions. It may be that the reason this
person didn't provide evidence is that this person wasn't the one who
made the claim.

>You owe Rush and apology and
>the readers of this newsgroup an apology for wasting our time refuting
>your silly statements.

    Well, maybe. If you're handing out apologies you might want to see 
whether you have one to spare for this poor stooge you just flamed for 
words he or she didn't even write. Talk about a waste of time.

>Have a nice day

    Ditto.

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From: rovero@oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: rush compuserve (and Snapple)
Date: 25 Jul 92 06:31:32 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA

While not all Snapple beverages are my "cup of tea", the Snapple
regular and orange iced teas beat any of the junk in cans from Lipton and
Nestea.
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Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,sci.environment
From: yaros@sab57.larc.nasa.gov (Steve Yaros)
Subject: Re: Forests Increasing
Keywords: In article <1992Jul26.155021.5760@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:16:01 GMT

|>   
|>  It may very well be true but the reason it will not be on 
|>  the front page of the NYT is that it is not news, it is 
|>  Conservative disinformation.
|>  
|>  The absolute number of trees or acres of forest have little 
|>  to do with either global warming or biodiversity.
|>  
|>  The "forests" that are increasing are tree farms.  They are 
|>  nothing but tall corn fields that are replacing ancient 
|>  trees of wide diversity and skyscraping heights with fast 
|>  growing pine trees that are cut as soon as they get to a 
|>  commercial length.
|>  
|>  In a typical tropical forest, there are over 100 DIFFERENT 
|> 
...and on and on.  The point of the article, which appeared in a quite-non-
conservative (read their editorials sometime) concerned alleged global warming
and the effects of forests in North America, Europe, and the former Soviet
Union.  Your lashing out at disinformation (on what basis, pray tell?), lack of
biodiversity, the height of trees on tree farms, and what's happening in 
the tropics is irrelevant, in some cases untrue, and in others just your 
opinion.  Read the article in full.  Comment on what it says and not other 
agenda you may have in mind.


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From: rpwhite@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: KENNEDY SONGS....PLEEEEEEEZE!!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:07:13 GMT
Reply-To: rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Followup-To: alt.rush-limbaugh,misc.test,talk.bizarre
Distribution: usa
Organization: Monterey Bay Yacht Club, Monterey CA

dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

>hey folks...

>still waiting on the lyrics to the kennedy songs.

Went to a party
i danced all night
i drank 16 beers
and i started up a fight

but now i'm jaded
you're out of luck
i'm rolling down the stairs
too drunk to fuck

(too drunk to fuck)**3
i'm too drunk too drunk to fuck

i like your stories
i love your gun
shooting out truck tires
sounds like loads and loads of fun

but in my room
wish you were dead
you ball like the baby
in eraserhead

(too drunk to fuck)**3
it's all i need right now
too drunk to fuck
(too drunk to fuck)**3
i'm soft and gooey and cold
too drunk to fuck

i'm about to drop
my head's a mess
the only salvation is
i'll never see you again

you give me head
it makes it worse
take out your fuckin'retainer
put it in your purse

i'm too drunk to fuck
you're too drunk to fuck
to drunk to fuck
it's all i need right now oh baby
i'm melting like an ice cream bar oh baby
and now i got diarhea too drunk to fuck
yeah, yeah!
yeah, yeah!
yeah, yeah!
ooohhhhh....<wretch noises>

rp -- well, you didn't specify which kennedy songs?
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: courtney@phoenix.cps.msu.edu (Jonathan Courtney)
Subject: Re: Kennedy "philander" song posted
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 15:28:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.221439.7340@tellab5.tellabs.com>, dawdy@tellabs.com (Dan Dawdy) writes:
|> POSTED TO "alt.binaries.sounds.misc"
|> 
|> KENNEDY.VOC
|> From the Rush Limbaugh Radio show
|> "Teddy" singing I'm a Philander
|> 
|> Sample Rate...11.050kHz (Mono)
|> Format........8 bit VOC
|> Size..........915,126
|> Time..........1.23.0
|> Board.........PAS-16
|> 
|> Many more sounds are being posted to the FTP site in
|> the comming days.


  Now there's an idea!  Say, would anyone care to sample and post the snippet
from Rush's Compuserve ad where he says (very enthusiastically) "Email to me!" ?
It would be a great addition to a mailbox flag, don't you think?

						Jon
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: dash@skyy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (O.P.P)
Subject: Re: Incompetent S&L deregulation
Reply-To: dash@skyy.b17d.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:06:28 GMT

In article <seQre1C00VpON531Qu@andrew.cmu.edu>, Thomas Omar Smith <ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> 
|> Actually, it goes deeper than that.  Deregulation didn't mean free for
|> all.  But when the deregulation occured, the agency in charge of
|> ensuring compliance with federal insurance policies was not increased,
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> despite the increase in responsibilities.  

Kind sir, in reality, the staffing was cut at the same time S&L's were
allowed to participate in more risky (ad)ventures.

                                         O.P.P
Organization: Senior, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:24:33 -0400 
From: Thomas Omar Smith <ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Incompetent S&L deregulation
	<nate.383@psygate.psych.indiana.edu>

szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) writes:
>nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
>>...I hope we would agree that 
>>the deregulation of the S&L's was not one of Reagon's most successful
>>policies?

>Agreed. The problem was that Reagan took away the regulations without taking
>away the insurance subsidies.  It was still possible for a wealthy
>depositor to put $1 million in 10 different accounts, the S&Ls to turn 
>it into $50 million in risky mortgages, and they whole deal to be backed 
>100% by our tax dollars.

Actually, it goes deeper than that.  Deregulation didn't mean free for
all.  But when the deregulation occured, the agency in charge of
ensuring compliance with federal insurance policies was not increased,
despite the increase in responsibilities.  Therefore, they simply
couldn't properly police the S&Ls.  The result was the many S&Ls started
playing loose with the system, and making short term decisons that
killed them in the long run.  The agency (I don't have the name handy)
went to Congress several times for help, and was turned down.  The
result was S&L bailout.

					Tom the non hacker
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