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From: dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Who's the best leader?
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:30:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <8encsQG00aw_896ERg@andrew.cmu.edu> dm7z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dizzy Murphy) writes:
>Ok guys,
> 	since we're all into the x-men (whichever book that might be) let's do
>a little survey.
>
>1)Who is the best leader of the x-men? (Cyclops, Storm, Cable, Havok, or
>Captain Britain)
>2) Which is the best team? (Blue team, Gold team, X-Force, X-Factor, X-Calibur)



Best team would be either the X-Force or Excalibur.
Worst team would be X-Factor 

I think the best leader is Kitty Pride...but she is rarely given the chance
to show off her abilites.


This is not based on how well the book is written (or X-force would not have
made my list...and X-Factor wouldn't have been the worst) but on how
well the member's powers work together.  If PAD was doing X-Force, we'd see how
a team really works...X-Factor is good, but its with all second rate heroes.
Rahne with the New Mutants was good, Havok and Polaris with the X-Men were
good, I'm still trying to figure out why Quicksilver is with the team, and 
Guido with Lila were ok, but I don't see how together they would make a
good team.  PAD is making it work somehow.  I guess by having second rate 
heroes who didn't get much spotlight, he can pretty much have free control
over what he can do to them.  Like I said before before, the only thing I 
haven't liked so far was the Jamie/Fallen Angels situation.





Patrick
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Who's the best leader?
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:39:52 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <8encsQG00aw_896ERg@andrew.cmu.edu>, Dizzy Murphy <dm7z+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Ok guys,
>  	since we're all into the x-men (whichever book that might be) let's do
> a little survey.
> 
> 1)Who is the best leader of the x-men? (Cyclops, Storm, Cable, Havok, or
> Captain Britain)
Storm was the best leader, but now it is hard to tell with the writers they 
have writing things.  I absolutely adore the Xmen where Storm beats Cyclops
without her powers!  (I hate Cyclops, he is just too boring!  (Sort of reminds
me of Ryker on Star Trek New Generation, Typical male yell at this or that.)

> 2) Which is the best team? (Blue team, Gold team, X-Force, X-Factor, X-Calibur)

The best team is always Excalibur.  I want Rachel back, but I still think that
all in all they are the only team that has exhibited they can work together 
and you really enjoy watching them being together.  I think Xmen has potential
but the writers aren't really doing anything about it.  Xfactor  is good too,
but unfortunately with the art the way it is I have a hard time looking at the
comic long enough to enjoy the comic.  (but Havok does seem to be coming along.
(I used to think he was the typical run of the mill energy projector, but
I have changed my opinion on his character...  (I guess once again due to the
writers!)))
						wReam...
					    Ultimatee Ninja!!

P.S.  I REALLY hate these crossovers, although I must admit I don't mind seeing
X-force get its butt kicked!  :)  

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From: danl@next11pg2.wam.umd.edu (Shade the Changing Dude)
Subject: Re: Magik (Re: post)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:50:21 GMT

Consider this possibility:  Illyana's mutant power is _not_ to control the  
"stepping disks" of Limbo, but is instead the same as her brother, Peter.
The "mystical armor" which appeared when she was attacked was really her  
mutant power peeking through, and the magic of limbo focused through her  
Soulsword would make it dissapear, repressing her true power.  The ability  
to control the stepping disks was only a side effect of her youth in limbo  
and the bloodstones collected in the amulet.  In this limbo, a realm which  
supposedly exists somewhat outside of normal time and space, there should  
be zillions of Illyanas popping up, considering that in zillions of  
realities that this limbo touches on at some point in time Illyana is old  
enough to have come into her mutant powers.
Just some food for thought.

		-Dan'L
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: It's coming out WHEN?!?
Keywords: Oct. 24th
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:26:14 GMT

In article <81141@ut-emx.uucp> aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:
>
>	Did I read that ad correctly?  The bozos at FOX are waiting until
>OCTOBER 24th to premeire the X-Men animated series?  I mean, according
>to the most recent Wizard the series has already started! (Then again,
>according to Wizard Quantum Leap doesn't premeire until next week. Hmmmm.)
>I originally heard "It'll be a little bit late," but OCTOBER 24!!!!?

Don't believe everything Wizard magazine has to say. From everything I
have heard, X-Men will not debut until October. I just hope I can get it
here in Newfoundland. I can only get Batman once a week. A real pain in
the a$$. I hate by local tv network.
>
*************************************************************************
* Craig Welsh                  *    "I'm a few bricks short of a       *
*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
* cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca     *     hurt my back."                    *
*                              *     "Crazy" - Barenaked Ladies        *
************************************************************************
* "Homeboy from Hell." Screw that. I'm the Waiter from Hell.           *
*  You figure out which is scarier.                                    *
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>
>


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From: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Robi Karp)
Subject: Re: The "NEW" New Mutants!
Reply-To: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au
Organization: Expert Solutions Australia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:18:46 GMT

In article <91638@netnews.upenn.edu> dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue) writes:

: In article <m0mbhPY-00013pC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes:
: >How about we let the original New Mutants remain "X-Force" and then have
: >Professor X start a "new" New Mutants school.  The new members could/should
: >consist of the prestently "unused" contingent of the Young & the Restless.
: 
: How about this:
: 
: the Fallen Angels can make up the core of the New Mutants, with Poltergist
: and Link (from the Beauty and the Beast miniseries), the Greys, and the Mann's.
: In addition to the X-terminator kids. .....

Yeh, then each team can be introduced with a 4 issue miniseries
followed by a permanent title, of course each would have 50 number
ones each with 3D holo-laser-steroid-gram covers and whenever we have
those crossovers, every 2 months, we can now look forward to crossing
into not 2, not 3 not 4 not 5 .... but 700 different titles. Wow, I
just can't wait for all the action to start !

	- Robi
--
INTERNET: robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au     "But Calvin is no kind and loving god!
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From: c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Mikel Bancroft)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Stryfe calls Scott and Jean "father" and "mother"!
Date: 30 Sep 1992 22:42:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3f.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep29.143702.13206@uceng.UC.EDU> sweide@uceng.UC.EDU (Steven Weide) writes:
>Just a little comment on the "mother" and "father" issue.  If you take
>Stryfe's comments in context with the rest of the sentence, he could mean
>something different.  He is saying something about Jean and Scott 
>somehow creating the future (I can't remember exactly) so he could mean
>"mother" and "father" in the sense of whatever he was talking about, not
>his own mother and father.  Just a little thought that they can use that
>if they want to change all their clues and have Stryfe not related to
>Jean and Scott (but they wouldn't do that now, would they?)  :-)

Well Stryfe also referred to Scott and Jean as the King 
and Queen and himself as the Prince.

Mikel B.
"Talk Hard" - HHH
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Acolytes (was Re: Cable as Nathan, and traitor)
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:03:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <18546.2ac47a45@ecs.umass.edu> masulliv@ecs.umass.edu (Michael Sullivan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.125352.23317@news.columbia.edu>, kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka) writes:
>> In article <lewandow.717480065@cs.wisc.edu> lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes:
>>>In <1992Sep24.140635.2626@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>><Stuff deleted  __------>
>> You ask me, I think that we'll discover that Luna is possibly the most
>> powerful mutant ever, and that a part of her power is that no one can ever
>> prove that she is not a normal human.  Her powers would be somethink like
>> Bink's (from the first Xanth book), in that they will protect her from all
>> harm.  And, of course, to best protect her from harm, she should appear
>> harmless. (It was her powers that prevented Quicksilver from bathing her in
>> the terran mists, not the Thing -- She manipulated the events so that no
>> one would realize that she was her own savior.)
>> 	Of course, this would only go on until she joined one of the
>> X-books, in which they find out that she is one of the twelve, a highlord,
>> and developes a long-range energy-based attack.  *sigh*
>
>I was wondering about this.  You say they did mention that she hadn't been 
>exposed to the mist?  Could anyone fill me in on this?  I just figured it
>had never been mentioned.  And isn't there still a chance she'll 
>manifest powers after puberty?

According to the Attilan geneticists, Luna has no natural powers.  She's
a normal human.  In Thing #3, Quicksilver wanted to expose Luna to the
Terrigen Mist, to give her powers, but Crystal wanted Luna to not have
powers.  She enlisted the Thing's help to convince Quicksilver not to
subject Luna to the Mist.  Quicksilver is finally convinced by Lockjaw,
who ACTUALLY SPEAKS for the first time in this issue.  So, Luna hasn't
been exposed to the Terrigen Mist, and has no powers.  All clear?

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: ShatterStar PLEASE STAY DEAD.
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:18:37 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In all honesty I sorta hope that the poor fool Shatterstar
IS dead, although this wolverine thing really bugs me, I really
think it would be great "revenge" versus what Robbie did to the
New Mutants...
						wReam...
					    Ultimate Ninja!

P.S.  Think about it!  What would make Robbie madder than if 
they bumped off a few of his characters, so that his stupid 
levi comercial, and "good ideas" are shown to be stupid!
(Of course we would expect good stories to come out of it.)

:)  <--- The Chill Pill!
From: masulliv@ecs.umass.edu (Michael Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: MORE X-ECUTIONER'S SONG SPOILERS
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:51:31 GMT

In article <80597@ut-emx.uucp>, aodn174@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman) writes:
> MORE SPOILERS!!!
> 
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<Stuff Deleted ------------------> 
> 
> 	Sunspot has an interesting new aspect to his powers.  He seems to be
> able to project his black energy-field.  This explains what happened to Betts,
> since I did _not_ notice that 'Berto was covered with dirt (and I went back and
> checked!)

Actually, in X-force 15, I believe all of X-force had dirt on them when 
they were first shown.  Maybe they were lying in wait underground?  Sunspot
could have blasted Psylocke from the dirt, and Cannonball could have gotten
them out really quickly with his "blastfield expansion".

							Mike S.
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Insults on X-Men
Keywords: Insults, X-Men
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:38:30 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:

>Actually, lately I have been sighing more cries of relief than of pain when
>reading the latest X-issue. While I know this goes against current
>net.policy, I have (to my mounting horror and revulsion) actually found
>Scott Lobdell's scripting on UX to be passable and competent; certainly a
>step up from his Shit Incarnate on Excalibur (this includes this month's
>storyline -- plastique does *not* explode on kinetic contact). They got rid
>of one decent artist (Portacio) and one would-be artist (Lee) to replace
>them with, hopefully, JRJR and Kubert, who can tell stories as well as craft
>nifty panels. In fact, except from the ham-handed influence of Harras behind
>the scenes, I'd actually be content with the current X-Scribe corral.

I second the motion. (I've been reading since Byrne, too. Since they
went monthly, actually...)

><what david r. henry has reprogrammed his Pnews to tell him before posting>

>"What are you doing, Dave?" says the computer.
>"You're acting very irregular."
>"This program posts news to thousands of machines throughout the entire
>civilized world.  Your message will cost the net hundreds if not thousands
>of dollars to send everywhere.  Please be sure you know what you are doing."

>"Are you absolutely sure that you want to do this? [ny] _"

>"Mary had a little lamb..."
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Shouldn't this be "Daisy, Daisy, give me your anwser, do...."

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: lazarus@venture.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: The Jamie/Siryn thing
Date: 6 Oct 1992 02:40:09 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Oct5.023653.2017@njitgw.njit.edu>, bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>Possibly Jamie has the memories of the dupe, but not the emotional
>attatchments to them that the dupe had.  (Hey, it worked for Carol
>Danvers!)

I'd think he'd still have a small fragment of everything... emotional ties,
memories, even fears.  It'd be kind of like remembering something that
happened to you ten years ago... 

>Maybe PAD would be kind enough to settle this for us?

I can see it now... he's going to tell us to "wait and find out"...  >;)

>-- 
>"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
>if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
>up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
>*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook

--
Bart -Laz- Smith
Kansas State University
'Cats - 19, New Mexico State - 0. Good defense.  Next stop, guess who?  KU. >;)
"Why should we get kicked for $125,000 when we could get kicked for $300,000?"
	-- Jim Hess, NMSU head football coach on not being able to get out of 
	   it's scheduled game(s) against Kansas State University.  ("What? A
	   KSU foe tried to get out of the game!", Wichita Eagle, October 1,
	   1992)
"Guess what?  George just got picked off... The inning is over, but who cares?
	George Brett got base hit No. 3,000, no runs, one hit, nobody left.  We
	go to the bottom of the seventh, the Royals 3, Angels 0, George 3,000."
	-- Fred White, calling the play after... well, it's kinda obvious... 
	   on Wednesday, September 30, 1992.  ("Announcer White had to put
	   milestone call on hold", Kansas City Star, October 2, 1992)

Congratulations, George.
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Magik (Re: post)
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:35:12 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

danl@next11pg2.wam.umd.edu (Shade the Changing Dude) writes:

>Consider this possibility:  Illyana's mutant power is _not_ to control the  
>"stepping disks" of Limbo, but is instead the same as her brother, Peter.
>The "mystical armor" which appeared when she was attacked was really her  
>mutant power peeking through, and the magic of limbo focused through her  
>Soulsword would make it dissapear, repressing her true power.  The ability  
>to control the stepping disks was only a side effect of her youth in limbo  
>and the bloodstones collected in the amulet.  In this limbo, a realm which  
>supposedly exists somewhat outside of normal time and space, there should  
>be zillions of Illyanas popping up, considering that in zillions of  
>realities that this limbo touches on at some point in time Illyana is old  
>enough to have come into her mutant powers.
>Just some food for thought.

But didn't Kitty inherit the SoulSword *and* armor in the issue (I forgot
the number) of NM where the Beyonder nullifies all the New Mutants?

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: v062nm65@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ARCHANGEL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Excalibur question
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:54:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct4.131740.6136@nmsu.edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes...
>I was rereading some of my old Excalibur and was wondering if Illyana's
>soulsword shown in issue 11 is still sitting outside what is left of the
>lighthouse.  If not how and when did it get moved? Thanks in advance.

The last we all saw of the Soulsword was during the short "Promethium Exchange"
storyline, where Doc. Doom needed Kitty and the sword to open a gateway in
Limbo.  At the end of the story, the sword was left in Limbo, being guarded by
a demon who had been created by Doom (his name escapes me at the moment...)





Chris
From: masulliv@ecs.umass.edu (Michael Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: <None>
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:41:20 GMT

In article <27SEP92.21375027.0234@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP) writes:
> In article <1992Sep27.064447.11662@news.columbia.edu> jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:
>>In article <20SEP92.16406115.0161@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP000 <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>>>Captain Britain is now, supposedly, a mutant.  (Originally, his powers
>>>were supposed to have been given to him by Merlin.)  Certainly his
>>>brother and sister are.
>>
>>  Are they?  I was under the impression that the Braddocks' powers
>>came from their father being a native of Otherworld, not any mutation
>>unique to the family...
>>
> Well, look at it this way: Psycloke has telepathic powers; Jamie has
> reality altering powers; Brian displays neither.
<------   Stuff deleted  ------->
> that is triggered.  (I seem to recall reading in a Marvel Universe
> article or two about the Kree performing experiments on pre-humans
> which, somehow, resulted in mankind's potential to produce "mutants".)
> It turned out that years later an "article written by Hank McCoy"
> appeared in the Marvel Yearbook about mutations and Professor Xavier's
> studies in the field.  That seems to be Marvel's final word on the
> subject.  Did anyone else see that article?
> 
About Captain Britan:  I believe the explanation given by Roma and/or 
Queen Saturnyne from one of those @#$%^& Cross times told Cap his powers
were a result of his otherworld heritage, and that he absorbed magic from
the British Isles to gain his powers.  Thus, he got very week while 
visiting New York during Inferno. Now his new suit is supposed to hold 
magic so he won't get week so quickly.  I hope they'll just let him go
whereever he wants without getting weeker now that the matrix(forgot its
real name) is gone.

	Also, didn't Supremor claim that the Eternals were the results of Kree
tampering?  Or was it the inhumans, since I seem to remember the Eternals
being created by an experiment of Cronos' or Mentor's.   Any one know?
						Mike S.
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Ideas to help the mutants (was: Re: X-cutioner's Song)
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:18:46 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <06OCT92.15498278.0089@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP) writes:
>In article <maguire-061092091529@128.149.100.151> maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire) writes:
>>6.  Xavier should open another school for training mutants, and abandon
>>field leadership of the X-Men.                                         o
>
>If the White Queen's dead, what happens to Massechusetts Academy?

Well, Emma Frost was (I think) just the headmistress of the school.
She didn't own it, and there was probably a board of directors that
appointed her to that position.  Odds are, they just got themselves
a new headmistress.  Now the question remains:  would the "higher-ups"
at the school know about the Hellions, et. al., that Emma was
responsible for, or was she acting on her own.  Would these
"higher-ups" have been affiliated with the Hellfire Club?

>>8.  Betsy shouldn't like being what the Hand turned her into.
>
>I think it's clear that she likes the way things have turned out for her

Sure.  NOW she can sell comics to drooling fanboys!  Who wouldn't
like that?     :)

>>13.  Restore the Magneto characterization
>
>I don't think CC's Magneto characterisation has changed that much over
>the years.  We've yet to see how Fabian will handle him.

No, no, no.  Don't restore the Magneto anything!  Leave him dead!
I guess I'm just dreaming here.

>>Turn X-Force book back to New Mutants.
>
>Well, with Cable and Domino gone that leaves Shatterstar and Feral to
>be written out.  Then they could bring back Karma and siblings and
>there you go.

Shatterstar I can deal with, but Feral's gotta go.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: X-cutioner's Song
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:09:48 GMT
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In <1992Oct1.120358.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cbjuland@vax1.umkc.edu writes:


+>Jae Lee's art in X-Factor wasn't my favorite.  He's been doing wonders in
+>Namor, but this issue wasn't that great (IMO).  I hated X-Force though.  I
+>didn't find the art very pleasing.  
+>Of course this whole crossover thing is kinda silly.

	I have come to the conclusion that the problems on x-force dont
really have to do with the drawing, they have to do with "someone" trying
to force whoever works on the book into a pseudo-Liefeld mold and
bad inking.
	The person drawing x-force is certainly capable of doing better and
has done better in the past and some of the panels show considerable skill.

	On the x-factor book, I can't figure out if the problem was Jae Lee
or a horrible job of inking (i.e. over-inked beyond all sense).