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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie has passed
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:44:19 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

The Boston Globe enclosed side-by-side pictures of both artists under
the heading "Performing Arts Lose Two Giants" with separate headings
under each picture. "Gillespie, Pioneer of Jazz, dies at 75" and "Nureyev,
Electrifier of Ballet, dead at 54."  Nicely done. 
  
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:43:56 GMT
Distribution: world 

In article <1993Jan8.154305.27862@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>In article <2B4CA78F.29090@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>Finally, lunch has arrived.

Honey, you couldn't digest me; trust me.  Other sexist pigs have tried,
and they just end up with indigestion.

Janis C.
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Re:
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:21:40 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan7.181930.7922@leland.Stanford.EDU>
stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
>
>Unfortunately, Malcolm's abiding love for black people existed,
>un-Bodhisattvalike, alongside a pathological hatred for whites.  We
>know that some of the white folks that he encountered during his early
>years treated him like dirt, others showed kindness and respect. We
>also know that they didn't burn down his house or murder his
>father. Yet, in prison, he converted to a bizarre religion that
>branded all whites as evil mutant freaks. 
>I view Malcolm as a an example of what historian Philip Johnson calls
>a "gangster politician", a unique product of our wretched and bloody
>century. Others are Lenin, Hitler, Mao, Lumumba, Pol Pot, etc.  They
>were all brilliant, articulate (except for Uncle Joe, I guess) men who
>had a deep love for their people, and were profoundly angry at the
>injustices that they claimed had been visited upon their beloved
>followers. 
>Stefan
>

I think you are truly lacking in your understanding of Malcolm X, the belief
that "all whites are devils" was Pre Mecca Malcolm, but after that point, there
was a new Malcolm, a Malcolm that had learned from his mistakes and did not
preach wide spreading generalizations. I can not believe you would make such an
ignorant statement, apparently you have decided to believe what the media
portrayed Malcolm as, even after he transgressed racism. You have neither read
the autiobiography, nor have you seen the movie. I believe that after that
maybe you'll have a little respect for Brother Malcolm and his cause. Try
understanding that his family was toturted by white people, his people were
enslaved by white, and today his people are oppressed by white people, then ask
yourself, Who would I hate? If everyday for lets say three years, everytime you
saw an African-American, he beat you up, who would you hate? Malcolm learned
from his past mistakes when he came to understand racism from a worldwide
perspective that ALL whites are not devils, but we are all HUMANS, above and
beyond all. Hitler masacared people, did Malcolm ever kill any of your people?
Gangaster Politicians, look at America and tell me who's the gangasters.

                        Chad J Glover
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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Blacks in the Pacific
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:11:08 GMT



Since we somehow wandered onto the subject of WWII (from dating White women?),
I have a more relevant question.  Can somebody recommend to me books detailing
the exploits of Black (US) troops in the Pacific theater during WWII?

I just ordered a copy of "The Liberators", which covers a Black tank bn.
which was among the first to arrive at Dachau(?).  However my interests lie
mostly on the other side of the world, so I'm looking for accounts of Black
units in New Guinea and other areas.  The book "War Without Mercy" has some
good descriptions of racial tensions in New Guinea and the fear of interaction
between New Guineans and Black American troops.  Apparently the Australians
were VERY concerned about this.

Thanks.

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From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Subject: Re: An Exercise for Chaney (was Re: ...prefer non-blak women)
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:56:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.204749.2231@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me) writes:

[other stuff deleted]

>3) Even though I share the opinion that you need to "check yo' head"
>with respect to Black women, I also believe many will share my sentiments
>when I paraphrase the words of Nana Peazant from the film _Daughters of 
>the Dust_ (a film *you* definitely need to watch again and again): 
>"[We] love you because you're [ours]." You're just not going to find that
>kind of love from the family of a white girlfriend, but perhaps that
>doesn't bother you. Certainly, the "us two against the world" mentality 
>works for some couples.

	I was going to pass this one by, but something of the last
part caught my attention. Just reminded me of something I'm still
missing in my experience, and that is the opportunity to love and be
loved by another black man. I do wonder if it really is "different",
if there is something there that is "missing" in other relationships.
(A friend of mine who is jewish once told me that she felt something
was "missing" if the man she was dating was not jewish.).
	I know that where I'm at, I have little opportunity to give it
a try, as there are few blacks at my school, and thus few black gay
males. Most of the time I am "immersed in vanilla", to the point where
I sometimes think I know no other taste.  So for the time being I'm
left to get by on passing glances a the black men I do see around me,
and a moment or two of wondering what could be.
	I will say that I've dated a few white guys, and I've found
that there is a cultural difference that becomes more evident at the
relationship goes on. It doesn't make it more difficult, but seems to
require a lot of patience instead, to teach my partner that in some
ways we really are different, but we can love each other for that as
well.
	In the end, I'm not so sure that race makes it a "different"
kind of love.  Perhaps there is the advantage of a shared cultural
history and understanding (but then again, perhaps not), as well as
the advantage of not having to deal with the added social hassles
faced by interacial couples.  However, I'm not completely convinced
that it is a deep down different, or lesser, experience to love
someone of another race
	Sorry to get carried away on this thread.  I know we've
already hassed out interacial dating.  I'll stop beating this horse
before the corpse turns to dust.



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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Arthur Hu mean to *me*
Keywords: sfb
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:16:16 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1inj1bINNiin@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>>As for presidents/congresstypes: there are no Chinese congressmen yet, I
>>don't think I have to say anything about the presidency..
>
>Are we going to start requiring that every flavor of Asian-American be
>represented? I don't know about Chinese congress-persons, but if
>Dan Inouye, Patsi Mink, Bob Matsui and Norman Mineta aren't Asian-Americans,
>I don't know what the hell else you could call them.
>
>I believe the new congress includes a Korean-American (last name Kim -
>surprise. Not sure of which district).
>
>(BTW, Danielle, the Secretary of State in California is a Chinese-American,
>March Fong Eu, if it matters.)

Well, I suppose it was silly of me to go around saying this and that is
over/under-represented, blah; I was only trying to present that idea that
the Jews have done very well, and that we should follow their examples..

BTW, I'm not Danielle T.Wei, she is a friend and I'm just using her account..
I cannot change the name tag at the top, but I certainly do not wish people
would blame her for what I have said.

Ning Wang
---------
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Please do not direct any flames/replies to her.
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Subject: Dr. Jennie Patrick, Dynamic Motivational Speaker
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Date:  8 Jan 1993 14:35 EST  

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From: fpl@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Fred LaMaster)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:48:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Because *someone* had to type it in:  MJ and an ad
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Ft. Collins, Colorado
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

Gabrielle Daniels writes:
 
> In article <ISBELL.93Jan4215027@pop-tarts.ai.mit.edu>,
> isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:
> >Friday January 1, Atlanta Journal/Constitution C2
> >
> >"White Boy Plays Jackson In Cola Ad, Paper Reports"
> >
> >Pop singer Michael Jackson chose a White boy over a Black one to
> >portray him as a youngster in an upcoming Pepsi commercial, the New
> >York Post reported Thursday.
> >
> >Producers wanted the ad to show Jackson performing "I'll Be There"
> >opposite footage of himself as a member of the Jackson Five singing
> >the song, the Post said.  But the idea was scrapped at least in part
> >because the pictures would make Jackson's plastic-surgery and skin
> >bleaching makeover too obvious, the newspaper said, identifying its
> >sources only as "insiders."
> >
> .
> .
> Yeah, I saw that, too, Charles.  Pathetic.

It was in our local paper too.  Actually I thought it was rather
humorous.

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From: haniff@argon.berkeley.edu (Tariq M. Haniff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:20:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: argon.berkeley.edu

As someone with a bit of knowledge on Islam, I think I can offer a bit 
of input here.  I believe Malcom X is highly thought of by most Muslims.
However, I don't feel that many Muslims feel solidarity with Afro-American
Muslims or vice-versa.  The reason being is that Muslims are prejudiced in
the belief that Afro-Americans have embraced Islam for the wrong reasons.

True most of the Africans brought to America for slavery were Muslim (A
result of the crusade after the death of the prophet Mohammed (PBUH)),
and were stripped of their religion, names etc upon arrival. But I feel
that the intention for becoming a Muslim should stem from a true belief in
the religion rather than some kind of nationalism or "Black Pride."  I admit I
have over generalized about Afro-American Muslims. Please forgive me.  
I'm no devout Muslim myself. But I have often wondered what guys like Louis
Farrakhan or Public Enemy's Chuck D think/feel about other Muslims.

For future reference, Islam has five "pillars" 

To bear witness that there is one and only one god and Mohammed is his
prophet.

To fast from sunrise to sunset during the Holy Month of Ramadan.

To pray (five times a day).

To make the pilgrimage to Mecca, the birth place of Islam.

To give charity.

So it can be said that a Muslim is "defined" as one who lives his life 
according to these pillars.  Other characteristics of Islam include
abstaining from eating pork, and refusing to charge/pay interest
(usery).

I don't mean to turn this into some kind of relious sermon, so back to X:

As I said, most non-Afro American Muslims have a tremendous amount of
respect for Malcom X. After his pilgrimage to Mecca, he turned his
"Black struggle" into an international effort.  It was more like a 
"third-world people" stuggle.  He wanted to bring his struggle before
the UN. He saw people of many different races unified in Islam.

I don't know why people were upset with Arthur's original posting.  Is this
the wrong newsgroup for such a discussion?  It's my feeling that evey
minority in the US has felt the benifits of Malcom's struggle for civil
rights.
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:19:05 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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In article <1993Jan5.141250.12330@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
epwong@nyx.cs.du.edu (Elliott Wong) writes:
>
>        At the bottom of which was a recognition of the spiritual
>malaise of everyone, so the "solution" (if it can be termed that) is a
>spiritual awakening.
>
>        I was reading last night the Chuck Colson and Jack Eckerd
>collaboration titled "Why America Doesn't Work" (basically written
>from a conservative Christian approach). The recurring theme
>throughout the book is that America has lost her spiritual moorings -
>that relativism is norm and because of this, the work ethic has been lost.
>
>        I'm not sure that Malcom X and Chuck Colson would see eye to
>eye on most things but I am certain that they would see the need for
>spiritual re-awakening in this country.
>
.
.
.
America lost its moorings when the first white settlers came on
shore, dear.  Please get straight about that. God was supposedly on
their side when they were wresting the country away from the red
people who lived in harmony with the land and with others.
.
Americans ought to quit lying abowhose spirituality is out of of
kilter.  Quit the conqueror mode, the missionary mode, the hate
colored immigrants mode, all that shit. In other words, give up
privilege.
.
Then perhaps there will be some kind of reawakening...on all fronts.
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Response to More White Liberal Bullshit Re: What A White Person Learned
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:34:00 GMT
Organization: California State University Sacramento

In article <1993Jan5.135553.62475@cc.usu.edu> slzm9@cc.usu.edu writes:

And this is not generalization? Remember, you folks VOTED for a white
liberal...  

(Not to say I am defending white liberals or any liberals. I dislike
liberalism - not people, mind you, but just the ideology of
liberalism.)


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From: rbpierce@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (richard b pierce)
Subject: Re: An Exercise for Chaney (was Re: ...prefer non-blak women)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:04:22 GMT

Mr. Chaney,

When you walk down the street, with or without your girlfriend, people
may notice that you are black long before they notice that you are a 
conservative.  Conservatives may stick together as you allege, but I 
suggest y'all find some way of identifying yourselves so no accidents
occur.




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From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden.
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:14:41 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <1993Jan8.182129.6577@cs.wm.edu> sunny@me.cs.wm.edu (John S. Egbo)
writes:
>
>                          The White Man's Burden
>
>So what is the white man's burden?
>    ....to hemisphere because of our superior armament?"

Superior armament, means superior minds? For me superior armament displays the
mentality of the people withe superior armament and the direction of their
agenda. Europeans have always thrived on conquest and probably forever will.
And please don't tell me how Europeans aren't conquerers, because we can talk
about Medevil Times, Dark Castles, Columbus, and Slave trade.


>Regarding the first slaves brought to Europe, Morel writes:
>    The African was a
>    heathen, and as such fair game for the prowess of the noble
>    Christian knights who opposed their steel breast-plates, tempered
>    swords and cross-bows, to his bare chest and primitive spear. 

The African was a heathen because he was different. The Europeans were
different to the Africans and yet and still Africans gave them knowledge that
they didn't have and then they used it against them. But that's another story,
of course. That's another funny thing, the Crusades, supposed Christians
enforcing and killing others of a different religion, how can these people
consider themselves morally and socially correct?
>    Thus did Europe first bring the 'glad tidings' to the African.  It
>    did not take long to ascertain that the spiritual consolation
>    derived from converting the African to Christianity had its
>    utilitarian counterpart.  He made an excellent labourer."

A laborourer is someone that gets paid for labor, labourers, we were not,
slaves is more like it.

>It would be interesting to see the many people, especially white people,
>that have written a lot about Malcom X, Spike Lee, and just about many
>figures of African descent (even the venerable Patrice Lumumba was
>accused by someone of being a crack-pot) say about the above quotation.

I'd be interested to here about the white man's burden because I am ignorant to
the fact of any burden, except for the one of the conscience.

Chad J Glover
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From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:23:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.175811.62381@cc.usu.edu> slzm9@cc.usu.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan1.155419.25716@csus.edu>, chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>> 
>
>   Now you might have presented the facts you were aware of. But
>there was no witness available behind those closed doors if and
>when Clarence Thomas made the alleged remarks. So, by definition
>no witness but Hill or Thomas could testify about whether the remarks
>had been made or not. They both testified and it depended on who
>you wanted to believe. But Stephen just because you "KNEW" she
>was a liar doesn't make her one. Don't assume you have a monopoly
>on the truth as so many other conservatives do.

Uh, excuse me. The media claimed that Anita Hill had a monopoly on the
truth. 

Seeing as that Anita Hill had no facts to back up her case and that in
the law you are innocent until PROVEN guilty, what then makes Clarence
Thomas guilty?! 

Oh, Oh, I know! I know! Because Anita Hill SAID so! How could I have
ever been so absent-minded..
 

>>     Anita Hill had NO EVIDENCE. She had TEN WITNESSES AGAINST HER.
>>     She CHANGED HER STORY! She said she wasn't in it for the money and
>>     now she's on a feminist evangelical tour for $10k an appearance.
>>     What more evidence do you need to prove she was a PAID TORPEDO 
>>     sent to get Clarence Thomas at the 11th hour?
>
>   Anita Hill had evidence - her testimony. She is a Law Professor
>for goodness sake. That gives her credibility. None of those 10
>witnesses could say for sure that these comments had not occurred
>they could only say that they hadn't heard any. Why would a Law
>Professor risk her reputation on untrue allegations? Anybody
>with any sense knows no amount of money can buy you a reputation.
>   Finally if she was a "paid torpedo" then who paid her? How about
>providing a little evidence for us, you accuse Anita Hill of having
>no evidence and so you don't believe her - why should we treat you
>any differently.

Law Professors can lie, too. 

And if she wasn't a paid torpedo, why is it that she claimed that she
was not in this for the money, but now, she is running around making
appearances and speeches for $10K a pop? 



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