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> I heard through the grapevine today that Akai will be bringing out 2 or 3
> samplers in the near future.  Figures like 18 bit and maximum memory capacity
> of 128 Megs are being whispered in certain music circles.

I've heard a couple of rumors, but the one that stuck in my mind was price:

                $3000 USD  (okay, I guess)
        or      3000 UK pounds

for the S2800 basic poverty model (8MB).

Now the batteries in my calculator may be slightly flat, but no matter
how many times I divide $3000 by 1.5 (the approximate $/pound ratio) I
still can't make the answer be 3000 pounds.

The Great UK Price Ripoff continues unabated.  Meanwhile, I think Akai
might have blown it in the sampler market, at least in the UK, with
their ridiculous pricing.

Cheers,

Mike, who never understood why Akai samplers 
                      are the European Industry Standard.

mjp@hplb.hpl.hp.com                   "Only those who attempt the absurd will 
                                                     achieve the impossible."
From: kraig@biostr.washington.edu (Kraig Eno)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: KORG WS PATCH INFO
Date: 21 Jan 1993 09:52:10 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.95.10.169

mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com (Michael Menard) writes:
> Does anyone know of a public domain location for Korg Wavestation patches

I have the factory presets and some marginally useful cross-indexing software
for the Mac loaded on glia.biostr.washington.edu (anonymous ftp).  I'll be
loading some of my original patches as soon as I have enough to make it
interesting.

Kraig Eno, kraig@biostr.washington.edu
Uh wugga wuh.  Uh wugga wuh.  Uh wugga wugga wugga.
I wugga WUH uh wugga wuh, Uh wugga wugga wugga.
From: dmg@wmod2000.larc.nasa.gov (David Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: What's a MicroMoog?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:16:01 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
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Shoou-yu tang (sytang@lamar.ColoState.EDU) wrote:
:  What's the spec. for an old MicroMoog? Any MIDI modification availible?
:  Thanks
:  Tang
:  sytang@lamar.colostate.edu

Well, I've got one and they're pretty nice little synths.  Awesome
bass lines and leads.  It's a monophonic single oscillator with a
noise generator, filter with resonance, attack/release EG's (one for
the filter and one for the VCA), sample and hold, pulse width
modulation, and a pitch bend pad.

Outboard effects really help for leads, one of my favorites is to play
it through a guitar amp with reverb and distortion.

I would also love to hear about any MIDI modifications.

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Subject: Sampling/Copyright, etc.................
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus,world
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:08:02 GMT



WHat do you think of this:

A proposed shift in INTERNATIONAL COPYRIGHT LAW.

"When copyrighted material is sampled and used in commercial project,
one of two things can occur:

1) The person sampling will contact the owner or licence holder of the
copyrighted material and make an arrangement about the use of the sample.

2) The person sampling will not ask for permission to use the sample. Instead,
he/she will use it regardless. It is the copyright owner's responsibilty to
track down the person using the sample. When successful, the copyright owner
is entitled to X % (X being fairly large, like 40-60% or so) of the net
profit gained from any released track containing the sample. The person
sampling must also pay Y $ to the copyright owner upon discovery.

3) It is a criminal offense to sample more than Z seconds from a single track
without permission.




AS I see it, this would result in the following:
1) Small unknown projects/bands would not be subject to enormous commercial
might bearing down upon them and suing them for more than they gained from
the use of the sample.
2) Medium to large projects would automatically obtain permission for
using samples for fear of losing a large percentage and paying the Y $ fine
later.
3) Copyright owners would always be able to gain profit (in many cases,
an unfair amount of the profit!) from projects using their samples.
4) It would be impossible to legally bootleg entire songs due to clause (3).


There may be flaws in my argument, so feel free to expose them...

Paul

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From: cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk (Nick Rothwell)
X-Sender:  (Unverified)
Subject: Re: Wavestation Flames (Re: Re:Wavestation limitation)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:26:13 +0000

>I knew it!! That's DOCTOR Rothwell _posing_ with his full-size,
>cardboard WAVE mockup!!! 

Nonsense.

1/4" plywood throughout. More resilient.

                     Nick Rothwell  |  "I was 'on the floor' while they
  CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |   were being shot and I vividly
       cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk  |   remember Joan Collins' legs."
       cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk  |      -- J. B., scriptwriter, Space:1999
From: tarabbia@cenatls.cena.dgac.fr (Patrice Tarabbia)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Korg CX3 MIDI upgrade
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:10:09 GMT
Organization: Centre d'Etudes de la Navigation Aerienne
Originator: tarabbia@ixilu


Hi there, 

I would like to have my Korg CX3 MIDIed. Does anybody know of a 
company that would provide MIDI interface boards for it ?

Any information regarding this operation would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Patrice.
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From: ola@lesti.hut.fi (Ola Rinta-Koski)
Subject: Re: Why joystick instead of wheels, Dan ?
Organization: BREWTeX '92 -- International Boy Stout Organization
Distribution: rec.music.makers.synth
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:29:22

In article <PEHE.93Jan20130014@franciumx.electrum.kth.se> pehe@electrum.kth.se (Peder Hedlund) writes:
>The head says it all. To me a joystick crushes the idea of beeing able to 
>have any modulation control (thanx God the WS *did* have wheels, why didn't
>you continue ?).

  Presumably because Korg does development both in Japan and in the
US. Maybe modulation wheels are banned in Japan by some obscure law.

  I have two Korg synths, one is the WS, the other is an DW-8000. One
with wheels, the other with a joystick. I find it hard to use the Y
axis of the joystick for anything other than on/off function (and even
that is cumbersome). Ah well, maybe there IS someone who likes
joysticks. Maybe Ronald McKorg himself. Actually, I don't have
anything against them, I just like to control pitch bend and
modulation with wheels. For other applications, a joystick might be
preferable (quadrophonic panning, for example).

  Is there an add-on MIDI product with pitch bend and mod wheels for
those stuck with a joystick, or lusting after two pairs of wheels?
--
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From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Info on EMU Procussion
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:59:09 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <C17K9n.Cyt@csn.org> whubis@teal.csn.org (Walter A. Hubis) writes:
>I've been considering adding an EMU Procussion Module
>to my rig, and I'm looking for the experiences of owners
>of this unit. Foremost is quality and range of samples,
>editing features, and audio quality.

I own a Procussion and I highly recommend it if you want programmability
and are willing to pay a little extra for it.  The drum sounds range from
natural and transparent to the meanest attitude to ever come out of a
drum module.  The quality of the samples is superb and Emu's G-chip can
transpose the samples great distances while maintaining the fundamental
sonic quality (this is especially noticable with cymbols).  There
are approximately 300 raw samples that are used to create about 550
factory percussion sounds and 512 user-programmed percussion sounds.

One fun thing to do is to create a simple repeating drum pattern on your
sequencer and let it play while you step through the different factory
drum kits (there are 64 factory kits and 64 user kits).  It's amazing
the different styles and character available.

Programming is rather straightforward.  A drum sound can consist of up
to 4 layers.  Each layer consists of a raw sample and a host of
modulations and envelopes.  For example, you might want to create a 
tom sound that has a distinct attack transient and certain type of
body.  You can use the attack of one sample with the decay of another.
They can be fine tuned to "go together" and modulations can be setup
to respond intelligently to velocity.  There are reverb ambience samples
that can be enveloped, tuned, and layered to other drums allowing
a convincing "processed" sound even though there are no on-board effects.

To my surprise, I find that I customize my drum sounds a lot more than
I originally thought I would.  Someone into techno or house music
would have a field day with the Procussion.

On the other hand, if you aren't interested in programming, the Alesis
D4 is less expensive and has a fundamental sonic quality comparable to 
the Procussion but fewer sounds (and the cymbols aren't quite as good).

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
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From: styri@hal.nta.no (Haakon Styri)
Subject: Ensoniq v. Roland - I need avice
Reply-To: styri@nta.no
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 14:21:35 GMT

I'm in the process of buying a synth for general purpose use. In the price
range I can afford I'm willing to spend I've looked at JV80 and SQ-1. I may
stretch my wallet and can afford the SQ-1+ as well. And, the SQ-2 keyboard
(more keys and aftertouch) looks tempting...

I need something multi timbral, but an alternative solution that's cheaper
than the JV80 is to modify a good old D-50. (Using the D-50 w/ a sound canvas
as a temporary solution.)

Any advice and opinions from the net. I'm all ears.

(Ok, I'm probably starting a flame-fest. Just to have mentioned it: I'm
 not that picky about MIDI features and built-in sequencers. It's the sound
 and the touch that matters, and some user friendlyness...)

---
Haakon Styri
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: dks8475@u.cc.utah.edu (David Kenneth Slack/Music)
Subject: Re: MusicBox - A new dimension in composition
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 21:17:30 GMT

>Could someone please give a FTP site where I can get a hold of this program?
>Thanks.

This program can be found in wsmr-simtel20.army.mil in the
pd1:<msdos.music> directory.  Or, for those who aren't familiar with FTP,
telnet to grind.isca.uiowa.edu, logon:iscabbs and get it from their
msdos/simtel/music directory.  Oh, at both locations the filename is
MUSICBOX.ARC  (or something similar)

Good luck!


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From: sdavis@laforge.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Davis)
Subject: Re: Ensoniq list? (was: Re: [EMAX II] Who's got one & disk format.)
Organization: NASA
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:02:59 GMT

Michael Chen writes
> You can subscribe to the EPS list by sending mail to eps-request@reed.edu.
> There is a FTP site called eps.reed.edu with samples and utilities to grab.

  Hmmm... does this list cover all Ensoniq synths/samplers, or just the EPS?  I  
have a KS-32.

Thanks,

Steve
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From: schultz@stpaul.ncr.com (STEVE SCHULTZ)
Subject: MIDI Patchbay/SMPTE Questions
Summary: Does PC I/F have to do SMPTE if patchbay does SMPTE?
Keywords: MIDI/Patchbay/SMPTE
Organization: Product Marketing
Distribution: worldwide
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:44:11 GMT

I have never used a MIDI patchbay and I only use the bottom of the line MQ 
PC MIDI board that does not support SMPTE.  I have read about MIDI patchbays 
that also have PC and MAC interfaces built in to them (see ELECTRONIC 
MUSICIAN Jan.'93 issue).

As I begin to add more stuff to my PC and M1 setup, like a second keyboard, 
a sound module, a drum machine, 4-track cassette, I need to know about SMPTE 
and tape synchronization between the computer, MIDI device, and the tape 
deck.

If I use a MIDI Patchbay, for example an Anatek SMP-7, that generates/
supports SMPTE, does the MIDI i/f card in my PC also have to generate/
support SMPTE?  Does this question make sense?  What am I failing to grasp?

I know that the tape has to be "striped" with the time code, and please help 
me here, does the Patchbay read the timecode and sync the devices and the 
computer?

I need some insight here....thanks.

Steve Schultz
NCR Network Products Div.
steve.schultz@stpaul.ncr.com
Steve Schultz, Mktg Product Manager
NCR NPD, St.Paul, MN
eMail:  steve.schultz@stpaul.ncr.com
From: mgbracco@sanluis.uccs.edu (Mark G. Bracco)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: CZ-5000 question
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:35:46 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs
NNTP-Posting-Host: sanluis.uccs.edu

I've got a question about using the Casio CZ-5000 as a      
"multi-timbral" playback module. Here is the problem. A     
friend recorded a song on the CZ sequencer as follows:      

Track 1    Poly=4   Patch W                                 
Track 2    Poly=1   Patch X                                 
Track 3    Poly=1   Patch Y                                 
Track 4    Poly=2   Patch Z     

He brought the unit over to me, and we successfully dumped  
the sequence over into Cakewalk. (It came over in 4 tracks, 
on MIDI channels 1-4). We then wiped the song from the CZ   
sequencer, and attempted to play back the song from Cakewalk
using the original patches. We could not get it to work. I  
have read Part 5 (ie the MIDI section) on using the CZ as a 
"multi-timbral expander", and as I understand it, it looks  
like you can assign a single note per channel, up to 8      
channels. This is not acceptable for what we are trying to  
do. I have fiddled around trying different combinations of  
parameters, but I have had no success. From my experiments
I have concluded that 1 of 3 possibilities is true:         
1) It is impossible to do it.                               
2) It is possible, and in fact simple, to do it, and I have 
overlooked something very obvious in the manual.            
3) It is possible, but is an "undocumented" feature. Thus,  
only Casio and CZ-5000 gurus know the secret to doing it.   
                                                            
My friend has all his songs backed up on cassette, but it   
would be much nicer to use Cakewalk to play sequences back  
through the CZ, instead of fiddling with loading songs from 
the cassette.
                                            
Any insight or comments on this matter would be appreciated.
                                                            
Mark
From: nat92-23@math.chalmers.se (Jakob Schlyter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Akai EWI
Keywords: akai,wind,saxophone
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:17:57 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden


 
    I have a Yamaha WX11/WT11 MIDI wind controller today and I'm considering
buying an Akai EWI 3000/3000m instead. Therefore I would be very pleased if
some of you who have any comments, positive or negative, on the EWI system
would like to share these with me.
 
/Jakob
 
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Tradeshill 2885                      E-mail: nat92-23@math.chalmers.se
S-448 91 Floda                       Phone : +46-302-363 62
Sweden
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: The Newest Emu synth... McAnalog!!!???!!!
Date: 20 Jan 93 20:40:18 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <C15w92.HFu.1@cs.cmu.edu> sef@sef-pmax.slisp.cs.cmu.edu writes:
>Early digital synths did a lousy job of faking analog, but given enough
>processing power and enough care in designing digital filter algorithms,
>there's no reason this must be true.  To my ears, the K2000 gets mighty
>close to analog sound (after turning off the rather poor digital effects
>chip).

The digital filters on the K2000 blow the doors off most analog filters 
of the 70's and 80's.  The old Korg, Arp, and Yamaha analog filters can't 
touch the K2000.  I have a Polymoog with a gen-u-ine Moog filter to 
compare with and the K2000 comes very close.  The Oberheims could
put up a good fight against the K2000.  I don't know about the
Prophet 5.  I demoed one many years ago when they were new.  I thought
that the filters were good (better than Korg or Arp) but not as good as
Moog.

>Of course, some people will reject outright the idea that you can get
>analog sound from anything other than a pile of wires and discrete
>electronics -- preferably tubes.  You can try to prove these guys wrong
>with blind listening tests, but it's probably a waste of time -- they still
>won't believe you.

Much of the charm of analog was the lack of absolute control.  Oscillators
didn't oscillate perfectly.  Analog filters had unpredictable artifacts.
This isn't necessary for great sound but it helps define the "analog"
sound.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: stevela@csulb.edu (Steve La)
Subject: FORSALE: MIDI Keyboards, Roland CM-32L, and more
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:26:51 GMT

Music gear for sale:

   * Roland CM-32L sound module..............................$ 350
     - Multi Timbral MT-32 compatible
     - can produce up to 32 voices at the same time
     - 128 different instrument sounds
     - 30 rhythm sounds, 33 sound effects
     - digital reverb
     - MIDI in/out/thru, AC adapter jack
     - compatible to all games that suuport Roland Sound module
     - manual

   * Roland PC-100 MIDI keyboard controller..................$  80
     - 49 keys
     - AC or Battery operated
     - manual & box

   * Roland MPU-103 MIDI converter/filter box................$  40
     - convert/filter any 16 midi channels
     - MIDI in/out/thru, AC adapter jack

   * Casio HT-3000 MIDI Keyboard.............................$ 250
     - 61 keys, features 3 keyboard split point
     - MIDI in/out/thru, Tuning control, Output jacks (L/R),
       Foot volume jack, AC adapter jack, headphone jack,
       sustain jack, tempo/entry dial
     - RAM card slot
     - 2 built-in speaker
     - Pitch bend wheel, Modulation wheel/button
     - lots of built-in sounds (drums too), edit preset sounds,
       or create your own original sounds
     - built-in pattern memory (bass, hythm, chords)
     - manual

   * Casio TB-1 MIDI Thru Box................................$  70
     - 2 MIDI IN
     - 8 MIDI THRU
     - operate under batteries or AC adapter
     - manual

   * Crumar Keyboard Stand...................................$  40

   * Fender Squier-15 Guitar Amp.............................$  75

   All equipment are in perfect condition.  Buyer pays shipping.

   -Steve

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From: af522@yfn.ysu.edu (Bill Scott)
Subject: Re: Winter NAMM 1983
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:07:48 GMT


regarding:
>> [...] Even a novice with
>> no musical expertize can run their fingers over the pressure
>> sensitive board and make music

The device could be the beginning of the kind of system that would
allow dancers to create their own real time accompanyment, releasing
them from the shackles imposed by "musicians" who aren't watching.

I've seen some poetry programs that can generate some great lyrics.
Hook one of these up through a voice chip and a vocoder into the
system and we can all go out and boogie.

BIll Scott 
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From: dan@korgrd.com (Dan Phillips)
Subject: Wavestation SR Sounds
Organization: Korg Research and Development, Milpitas, CA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:15:16 GMT

Ummmm....about those Wavestation SR Performances on the net...
I think that you will have difficulties in getting them into your 
Wavestation or Wavestation A/D. The 8 ROM banks of the SR are inter-
dependent; a Performance from ROM5 may use Patches from ROM4, ROM7, ROM9, and 
ROM 10, for instance, and those Patches may in turn use Wave Sequences from 
ROM5, ROM8, ROM10, and ROM11. This was done so that we didn't have to 
duplicate any often-used Patches or Wave Sequences, and so the resulting 
Performances could be arranged as desired by voicing staff. This means that 
you may have to do a lot of copying of individual elements to get each sound 
contained within a single bank, and the resulting banks will probably be able 
to contain only 25 or fewer Performances, since use of Patches and Wave 
Sequences will be far less efficient.

If you just copy the sounds as is, they will be pointing to a lot of Patches 
and Wave Sequences in the RAM and Card banks on your machine, with more or 
less random results. These may or may not sound cool, but they are almost 
certain not to be representative of the original sound.

Also: Re the SR's PCM. 
It is the same expanded PCM as that of the Wavestation EX and A/D, including 
piano, drums, etc.

- Dan Phillips
-- 
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From: bobm@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Bob Montgomery)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:58:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Help me ID the CAT thing!
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO