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From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: seattle auto show
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:58:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Washington University


    Well, I made it down to the auto show yesterday.  I too saw the new Golf. 
I think they made it even uglier.  And only 115 hp.  I'll have fun blowing
those off.  Sorry, I couldn't resist.  The passat, Corrado, Eurovan, and Fox
look nice though.
    I was hoping they would have a 93 Camaro or Firebird, but
they didn't even have an old one!  The brochures from PON/CHEV have pictures
though.  I wonder if you can order a bird for the hood on the new Birds.
Saw a Diablo, F40, and Viper there and a Lotus Turbo Esprit.  The car that
was the most fun to sit in though was the RX-7.  I want one.  I also like the
Saturn SC2 with leather interior too.  But they only had one and it was on a 
stupid pedestal.

Marty O.
87 250 ninja type rider person
85 Dodge charger Shelby Turbo (I think I'll keep it)

"It's a felling that we all wann know
and it's an obsession to some
to keep the world in your rearview mirror
while you try to run down the sun"

"Wheels" by Rhestless Heart
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From: ramiro@rrunner.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ramiro Reinoso)
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 01:49:44 GMT

In article <184132@pyramid.pyramid.com>, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
|> In article <Bx7KG5.90t@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
|> >In article <92309.094205KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu> Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> >>mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) says:
|> >>
|> >>>Someone recently asked why rotary engines are not used very often,
|> >>>especially when you consider that they tend to be more efficient than
|> >>>piston/cylinder engines.

Rotrary engines might be used more ofter in the future.
Rotary engines may be the answer to future hydrogen engines.
I saw a display at the last New York auto show of a hydrogen tank
for cars.  They have demonstrated that rotary engines are more
suitable for hydrogen fuel because  the combustion chamber section
was not the same as the intake chamber section.  The rotor takes
the mix and move it to another section to be burnt.  This results
in a cooler intake chamber that prevents hydrogen from exploding.

And as far as emissions, when you burn hydrogen you end up with
water vapor (very environmentally friendly).

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From: sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth Bradley)
Subject: Honda Performance Parts Sought
Organization: Intel Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:05:22 GMT

I'm hoping to buy some performance parts for my CRX in the near
future, in particular a clutch and suspension pieces.  So far
I have catalogs from Jackson Racing and Mugen (King).  Anyone
have suggestions for other sources?  Please e-mail, and thanks
in advance!
-- 
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: CRX QUESTIONS
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 08:39:42 GMT


base CRX, relatively good performance, burns no oil, gets good mileage...
why are you having the engine rebuilt?
it ain't broken, so why fix it?
-teddy
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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:36:47 GMT

aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:


>In a previous article, mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) says:

>>	Right lane fast, Left lane slow
>       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>HUH??...am i missing something? or is this how you think it should be?
>i was taught that the left was fastlane for passing only, and the right
>for the crawlers and those attempting to get up speed(very importantt
>with some cars today!)..personally.i think it should be merging lane
>slow, the other(s) fast...since merging lanes switch sides from time to 
>time..but then you run into two lane splits running in with two lane splits..
>nasty deal!
>DREW

Slap me and call me blonde....don't know what I was thinking there.  Obviously,
what I MEANT was Left lane fast, right lane slow.  Having Left the official
slow lane would be silly, even though it IS the de facto slow lane in most
of the country.  This brings up an interesting point though:  Why is it that
so many people drive slowly on the left?  I have a couple ideas.
	   *Trucks, being slower traffic, drive on the right.  This causes the
	right half of the road to become badly broken up long before the left.
	Naturally, drivers want to be in the smoother lane, so they stick with
	the left.
	   *In city areas, there is so much merging traffic that if you want
	to stay in the far right lane, you have to accomodate unreal amounts
	of merge traffic.  So most people stick with the left two lanes (or
	three or four) on wide city expressways, but habitually drive on the
	left when they're on other roads where there aren't any "middle" lanes.
	   *The average American driver is dumb as a post.

I have noticed that out west (Colorado, Wyoming, western Kansas, Dakotas, Utah)
people are much, much better about sticking in the right lane except to pass.
They're also better about signalling and the like, and are generally just more
courteous drivers.  (Come to think of it, they're often more courteous people
too.  Hmmm....)  I haven't been to the west coast, so I can't speak for that
area.  Anyone else have any brilliant insights?
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From: cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Restoring a 1962 Porsche 356 Speedster Cab....
Date: 11 Nov 1992 04:08:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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This is to anybody out there who has ever restored a car?
(make that a period!)

I've got about $15,000 now and will have more as time progess and
am thinking about restoring a mid 60s 356 cab. Is this a good idea?
I'm knowedgable about cars but have never done a restoration before.
How much work is really invovled? I realize this depends on the car
but I'm gonna buy one with no rust and a parts car. I would work on
it every sunday during the summer and spring and maybe for 2 or 3 
weeks straight during May in between school and a job. Is this enough?
How much money do restorations cost?
(I realise this all varies but I'm trying to get an idea so that
if it feasible I can borrow some money from my dad and buy a car
and a parts car and start soon). Thanks for the emailed replies....
CW
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From: earlyd@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Early)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: Cars for tall people


I am 6'6", and the answer kinda depends on what kind of car
you want.  My favorite car right now is the Taurus.  I found
it had plenty of room both vertically and horizontally, and
was really comfortable (even in the back seat).  As for
sports cars, I have yet to find one that really fits will,
although I am rebuilding a 1974 Datsun 260Z coupe and it has
tons of leg room and adequate head room. 

Also, steer away from VW's.  My experience has been that none
of them fit right, especially the ones from the 80's.

Just thought I'd put my 2 cents worth on the Taurus...really
nice vehicle.

Dave Early
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Subject: Re: got me a '90 miata - should i expect any problems?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:37:59 GMT

commike@lgc.com (Alan Commike) writes:

>I just bought a '90 miata with 38,000. I'm interested in any problems

>Is there anything that can be used to clean the rear window on the 
>soft-top. The plastic is foggy and has some scratches in it. I wish Mazda
>had put in a glass window!
'
If the plastic is in fact fogged, you will have to either live with it or re-
place it.  Nothing can cure fogged plastic windows.  If it's scratched, I think
there is something you can buy to polish it; I would try the Mazda dealer, and 
if you have no luck, go to BMW.  They MUST have something for the 325 Cab's...

Otherwise good luck; I have really heard very little negative about the Miata.
The biggest problem appears to be interior trim and things of that nature.

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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:18:39 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:


>In a previous article, hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) says:

>>In article <1992Nov10.233727.11527@syacus.acus.oz.au>, steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff) writes:
>>|> A question for those who drive automatics: Have you *ever* seen a racing
>>|> car (F1, Indy, Stock, Rally, etc.) that has an auto transmission?
>>
>> Drag racers do as well as several SCCA Showroon Stock classes.
>>
>>
>> In a somewhat similar train of thought...
>>
>> Why did GM only put automatics in the Buick Grand Nationals and 
>> the GMC Syclones and Typhoons?  I've always thought this strange.
>my thoughts..no proof..

[Drew suggests more people might want auto.'s, a manual couldn't handle the
power, a special manual would have to be made and a capable auto already ex-
isted]

>DREW

Without denying these (which are all probably true), let me just add that an
automatic actually allows better performance in turbocharged cars.  At launch,
there is no sensible way to bring up boost before take-off with a stick, but
all you have to do on an auto is lock the brakes, hit the gas, let the boost
come up take your foot off the brake, stomp the gas, and hold on.  During 
shifts, there is *NO* way to keep up boost on a manual; an automatic has no
problem as the RPM's, load, and thus boost are kept up.  Even though, I would
still rather have a stick with most turbos (Saab, Maserati, etc) because damit,
the autos don't perform *THAT* much better, and the sticks are SO much more
fun!

BTW, Drew brings up a good point about the clutches on Laser/Talon/Eclipse.
Has anyone heard anything about the durability of the 5-speed drivetrain on
these?

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From: wwein@scott.skidmore.edu (warren wein)
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:37:50 GMT

	Luxury AWD?  Well let's see.  There's all of the Audi models,
Subaru SVX and Mercedes 300E 4-matic. 

	-warren
wwein@skidmore.edu
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From: antkasx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ken A. Sturrock)
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:17:37 GMT

mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:

mm> Well, that still doesn`t answer my question. In a reciprocating engine, the
mm> piston moves upward in the cylinder, spreading a film of oil as it goes.
mm> Once the piston reaches TDC, it starts travelling downward, taking most of
mm> the oil with it, because of the rings. Now, I realize that a small amount
mm> of oil remains on the cylinder wall, because piston rings are not perfect.

mm> Now, with a rotary, what part of the engine pushes the film of oil back
mm> away from the combustion chamber?? This is what I am asking. 

Ah now I know what you mean...

The apex seals that ride at the tips of the rotors have no constant oil
supply the way a piston wall and ring are lubricated. No oil ( except the
small amount metered into the fuel ) ever touches a surface that will be
used in combustion. All oil is contained in the eccentric shaft and
bearing area by oil seals. The side seals and the apex seals essentially
operate in an "oil less" environment. When the oil seals fail, then you
get oil seeping from the bearings into the combustion chamber.

As has been previously discussed there is a small amount of oil metered
into the fuel that is used to slightly lubricate and cool the apex and
side seals.

I think that this is one of those "apples and oranges" issues.


							-ks


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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: OLDsmobile sales plunge
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:46:55 GMT


'oldsmobile sales plunged 21.9% in October, while sales for the entire industry
improved 7.6% over a weak year-ago month', reports automotive news.
rumors about olds demise killed sales.  people were cancelling orders and 
asking where they could get their cars worked on after olds went under.
gm's new chairman jack smale denied that the board had any thoughts of killing
the division(of course the board also stated they were in full support of 
stemple, then they canned him a week later).  they also canned the olds 98...
this is the last year for it and the redesign of the cutlas cierra has been
cancelled.  sounds to me like some big changes are going on.  i would 
speculate that olds won't be around much longer in it's current form...maybe
a name change and some different models can keep it alive...they are 
supposedly going to have a 1994 model called the auroa which will be unique
to olds.  looks like olds buyers better look to buick now!
From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Underdrive pullys - Any experiences?
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:37:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: shaman.2144

Reply-To: harmons@mithril.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
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>:Excuse if I'm wrong on this, but doesn't an alternator put out about
>:the same amount of current at any speed?  

No, it is a function of speed and the regulator's control over output
current by controlling field current.

>it would seem, then that alternator load would not be much affected 
>by alternator speed. ( only by electrical load )

Again, speed and field current determine the electrical load. There are belt,
windage, and friction losses and, for acceleration, the moment of inertia of
the field rotor which all require power.

>any drag racers or autocrossers out there try electrically
>disconnecting the alternator?

Turning off all the electrical items except ignition comes close to this
(assuming the battery has recharged it's starting losses and that the 
brake lights are not meqawatt consumers-but then max engine power with the
brakes on is not a common requirement).
Xref: sparky rec.autos:26431 rec.autos.tech:15290 rec.autos.vw:6339
From: chrisb@wang.com (Chris Bennet)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: FRAM filters
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:11:16 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

powell@interlan.interlan.com (Glen D. Powell) writes:



>Reprinted from the November '92 issue of _european car_ magazine
>and is a "side bar" to  "Project 924", a well worn 924 that they
>are rebuilding.

>page 53

>Fram oil filters
>----------------

>   For the last several years, we have recommended Fram Wear Guard oil
>filters because of the protection they afford automobile engines. Now,
>Fram has come out with an improved oil filter, which goes by the name
>Extra Guard.

[stuff deleted]

>   The result is an increase in single-pass efficiency from 92.4% in the
>Wear Guard series to 96.3% in the Extra Guard Series, with no increase in
>restrictiveness (both filters are rated only 3 psi pressure drop).

>   Project 924 may have been abused in the past, but from now on it gest
>nothing but the best.

>-glen



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I'd like to add the following info about FRAM/Porsche:

FRAM really does stand behind their product.  When their filter detroyed
my 1986 944 Turbo they stepped up an said "Yes, it was a problem with
our filter." (It happened to other's too I guess.)  They gave me $4500
more than I payed for the car - they offered and I accepted without any
dickering.  That said, I would stick with the Porsche filters.  The
difference in price is very small in the big scheme.

  Chris

P.S. Bought an '87 944 Turbo and used Porsche filters from then on.
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Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:13:39 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <Nov11.052903.7307@engr.washington.edu> eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>In article <BxIyov.IMF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) writes:

>>These are the only 4wd luxury cars I can think of
>
>Audi quattro!!  the cars that started the ball rolling.  The company
>with the most experience with the most refined AWD system your money
>can buy.  

Bzzzzt! Wrong.  I think you will find that the first sports sedan with
4 wheel drive was the...

Jensen Intercepter FF.  

Unfortunately you can't buy them anymore.

Derek "I'd buy the Range Rover 3.9 Vogue (Manual)" Tearne


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From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: LIDAR Demo on TV
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:25:32 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 The TV show NEXT STEP on the DISCOVERY channel went
 to Covina, California for a demo on how LIDAR works.

 The cops there said they preferred the laser to radar
 mostly for cancer reasons - they cited several cases
 of eye and thigh cancer in traffic cops using radar.

 They were using the Pro Laser Gun that has the little
 Heads Up Display on top that puts a little red target
 bullseye on the target vehicle.  It took a couple of
 seconds to "lock up" and gave both a speed and distance
 reading.  They "shoot" a short distances (the longest
 one was just 128 yards) in ambush mode hiding behind
 bushes and parked cars.

 The only disadvantage shown was the 2-3 second lock-up
 time and the difficulty keeping the sighting bullseye
 on the vechile.  Even at distances just over 300 feet,
 the dot was dancing all over the car.  That seems to
 back up the C&D Lidar test a while back that said it
 was difficult to keep the target in the sight long
 enough to get a "lock-up" at distances much over 500
 feet. 

 The hunters out there know how difficult it is to 
 keep the scope sight steady in off-hand - now try it
 without having the rifle to your shoulder.  Of course
 you could brace it up against something.

 TRAVIS
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 23:37:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) says:

>> steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff) writes:
>
>>
>>A question for those who drive automatics: Have you *ever* seen a racing
>>car (F1, Indy, Stock, Rally, etc.) that has an auto transmission?
>
>Have you ever seen a race car with real power, i.e. a drag car, with a
>manual??
yes.
'55(?) t'bird replica(maybe 57..)..had a three speed, ithink...turned in 
a sub 10 sec. quarter too..took top honors the night i was there....
now i realize that this is not top fuel, but keep in mind..those have
cluthces too..and are not "true" automatics..they are just shifted differently
than most cars..
{short version}
yes.
DREW
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From: brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg)
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Originator: brad@buck
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:33:06 GMT


In article <antkasx.720933737@gsusgi1.gsu.edu>, antkasx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ken A. Sturrock) writes:

|> As I'm really ignorant about pistons:
|> How does the piston's movement in a piston engine prevent oil from
|> burning in the combustion chamber?
|> 
Piston rings, sometimes four of them, exactly fit the cylinder bore, and
until they're worn or broken or the cylinder wall is worn, there isn't
very much that can slip by in the amount of time the piston spends in
any one stroke.
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From: mas@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Intrepid invoice prices??
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:15:03 GMT

Does anyone have invoice prices for the Dodge Intrepid??

Thanks!

John Mas

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From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!)
Subject: Re: INFFINITI vs BMW
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:08:08 GMT

eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:

>if you are talking about layout you are right.  but if you are talking
>about suspension components and the like then you're off.  the 5
>series has brand new multi-link rear suspension that is a complete
>departure from the tail-happy semi-trailing arms.  likewise the new 3
>series also has a completely revised rear end.  nobody talks about the
>current bimmers being tail happy any more.  

But I LIKE the tail-happy semi-trailing arms!!!  The new multilink may well
be the most stable rear suspension I have driven (RWD at least) and you can
still throw out the tail to scare passengers if necessary.....

I might also add that nobody talks about the current Bimmers (Thank you Eliot
for not saying "Beemers") being "dated."  Few ever have.  Can you say the same
thing about a Mustang?
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