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From: mlord@bmers63.bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Organization: BNR, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:39:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.215611.29427@unixg.ubc.ca> buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:
>In article <0N4PPB1w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:
>>colette@bwdls46.bnr.ca (Colette George) writes:
>>
>>> I was driving to Montreal last Friday and there was someone in the left lane
>>> of the highway driving *exactly* 100 km/h.  Now, on a nice clear day with dry
>>> roads, how many people do you think were driving at that speed? Not many ...
>>And then they wonder why people in LA shoot at them.  It's only a matter 
>>of time before this beings to happen elsewhere.
>
> Tailgating and other harrassment by following speeders rarely reaches
> that (gunfire) level, but nevertheless it says in some diluted form,
> "Lemme do what I want, or I'll killya!"  And we nearly always do,

More like, it says "I'm in the left lane to force you to drive exactly at
the same speed as me, even it it pisses you off and creates a dangerous
traffic situation -- because I'M RIGHT."
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed)
Subject: Free - two cats to a loving home (owner allergic)
Summary: email to inquire
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: ont
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:54:07 GMT


We have two mild mannered cats, both male and neutered,
about 6 years of age, to give away.  My partner is
getting quite asthmatic from exposure to their hair,
dandruff, etc.  We need to find a good home for them.

Their names are Sidney and Dexter.  Dex is declawed by a former
owner and has a slightly cautious approach to the outer world.
But he is very good and quite affectionate.  He is also
a skilled mouser from his days growing up in a barn.  I have
seen him catch a bat in the house.  Sidney is talkative and
doesn't like being picked up too much, but likes being talked to
and getting his head rubbed.  He never learned mousing as a young one
and chases things around but always gives himself away by wagging
his tail in anticipation of the pounce.  Both of them like to play
indoors with inanimate objects such as flowers, video rental receipts,
and a little play mouse with a bell attached.  Things they don't like:
people wearing heavy boots who might step on them, thunder and
lightning (Sid), other male cats, car trips, being fed the same food
for the rest of their lifes.  I think they keep each other company
and so I would prefer to have both go to the same home.

We live in Kitchener.  I am willing to take them to nearby places
but otherwise you would have to come and see them in Kitchener.
The one condition we have is that if it doesn't work out,
you must bring them back, and we will try again.

Please email if interested or if you have questions.

--Donald Teed
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: amdunn@mongrel.uucp (Andrew M. Dunn)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Organization: A. Dunn Systems Corporation, Kitchener, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 13:51:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.123407.28576@bcrka451.bnr.ca> mennie@bcrki39.bnr.ca (Bill Mennie 3-4473) writes:

>Unfortunately, my experience tells me that it is exactly those
>more powereful vehicles that nearly force me off the road by passing 5
>cars in a row...

And thus the problem.  People, usually because they won't, can't or are
afraid to pass, bunch up in tight little knots.  They won't leave
enough space to allow somebody to pass one vehicle at a time, so you
can't pass the blockage unless you pass ALL the cars in the row,
including the slow-moving vehicle which started the jam.

If people would only leave a little space, then passing would be
MUCH safer, but they don't...

Andy
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From: kim@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Letkeman)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:59:37 GMT
	<1992Aug7.204028.4262@bnr.ca> <1992Aug10.123154.3261@eci386.uucp>
Distribution: can
Organization: MITEL Public Switching, Kanata, Ontario, Canada
In-reply-to: rstory@eci386.uucp's message of 10 Aug 92 12:31:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.123154.3261@eci386.uucp> rstory@eci386.uucp (Robert Story) writes:

| BTW, in the US multi-lane, limited access highways are called
| freeways, in Britain motorways, in France Autoroutes, in Germany
| Autobahns ... what do Canadians call 'em?

Limited access highways, of course. The only one I've ever seen cuts
Nova Scotia in half. Where are the others?
--
Kim Letkeman	kim@Software.Mitel.COM
Newsgroups: ont.general
From: mtompset@Sandelman.OCUnix.on.ca (Mark Tompsett)
Subject: STEVE GREEN Concert
Summary: (613) 733-7207 for info 
Organization: Sandelman Software Works, Debugging Department, Ottawa, ON
Distribution: ont
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:01:00 GMT

Presenting.... Steve Green in Concert!
On September 21st, at 7:30pm in the Ottawa Congress Center, Steve Green
will be performing. Tickets are $13.00 and more information can be 
obtained by calling (613) 733-7207.
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From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:46:48 GMT
Distribution: can

marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:
> In article <3078@isgtec.isgtec.com> robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne) writes:
> >    "I was taught to stay to the left:  it's the safest lane"
> >     (It seems there are idiotic driving instructers teaching this!!)
> >
> 	Are you serious??  Hmmm...don't these guys have to be licensed
> by someone? Don't they have to have some knowledge?

Some of the worst driving I've seen is by driving instruction vehicle
with no passengers (I assume that at least some of these drivers are
the actual instructers).

> >    "School buses, airport limos, taxis, shuttle buses, and cops all
> >     do it so it must be okay."
> >
> 	I've never seen any of these driving slow in the left lanes
> though.

I've seen school buses on the 401 and the 403 driving 80-90 kph in the
left lane with only them and me on the road, many times.   I commute
between the airport and Mississauga and have seen and be stuck behind
many airport limos and airport shuttles driving 80-90 in the left
lane.   I've been cut off several times by police who pull onto the
403, crossing several lanes, doing 10-15 under the speed limit without
using signals and, apparently, without looking.

> >    "Hmmm, I never really thought about it.  Then again I don't
> >     give a shit about anybody but myself anyways."
> >
>Could you imagine if everyone had that attitude?  Hmmm???

It would seem that most of them do.

Rob.
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From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Date: 16 Aug 92 15:54:32 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Distribution: ont
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:

>   I'm not that interested in controlling other people's crimes.
>   That's the province of professionals (police) I pay to keep the
>   peace.  What I am interested in is enjoying the exercise of my
>   own rights and privileges under the law.  Nobody among the
>   several private and public responders to my remarks has yet
>   explained, except in terms such as that I am a jerk, why I should
>   put myself out so that someone else can have instant gratification
>   for their demands that I get out of their way SO THAT THEY CAN
>   BREAK THE LAW.

What a contradiction.  You say, "Why should I move so they can break the 
law?" -- what if they weren't breaking the law, you would then 
"inconvenience" yourself and move over?

----------------------------------------------------
frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Vicuna Systems BBS - 613/547-5066 [9600 v.32/.42bis]
From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: Travel Scam?? "FREE vacation to Bahamas/Orlando"
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 09:46:49 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Thibault & Friends


        I've done a few things that result in market research programs
        flagging me as having a much greater income than is in fact
        the case. So I get lots of these calls. Here's a series of
        questions that works for me. The caller is usually off the
        line before I get to ask the fourth, and I've never got to ask
        the seventh.

        1.  What is your full name?

        2.  What is the name and address of your company?

        3.  What is your supervisor's name?

        4.  What telephone number are you calling from?

        5.  Is the price stated the total cost for what you are
            offering?

        6.  Will you or your company offer me anything else for sale?

        7.  Instead of doing this over the phone, why don't I come
            down to your office?

                   ,Marc

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 marc@tanda.isis.org  |  Oxford Mills, Ontario       |  Global or otherwise,
 CIS:71441,2226       |     Canada                   |   appreciated.

Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: ng@nrccsb19.di.nrc.ca (Kai Ng)
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Reply-To: ng@nrccsb19.di.nrc.ca
Organization: Informatics, National Research Council, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:05:58 GMT

buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:
: In article <1992Aug12.032748.18690@sq.sq.com> rph@sq.sq.com (Pontus Hedman (VE3RPH)) writes:
: >	If you get passed on the right, YOU are doing something wrong.
: >	It shouldn't have been been possible. You're in the wrong lane.
: >	Move right.
: 
:  Not necessarily.  Typical scenario: the traffic in the right lane
:  is moving somewhat below the limit.  I am in the left lane, doing
:  the limit. 
:  Some asshole with a lead foot is
:  decidely unhappy with the limit,

So often, it is the limit + 25 km.


Ottawan drivers will never be content - the roads are full of idiots who
drive slower than them, and maniacs who drive faster than them.

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Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: crispin@watson.ibm.com (Crispin Cowan)
Subject: Re: 401 and Interstate contrasts
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:15:25 GMT
Distribution: can
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Aug12.173230.25293@sq.sq.com> donald@sq.sq.com (Donald Teed) writes:
>change to in order to get to the right place.  In the U.S., the merge
>lanes are long and constantly that way - which means that heavy
>vehicles can merge without causing breaking, lane switching and
>accidents.  Also the access to the Turnpike/Thruway is controlled
Hahahahahah.  Tee hee hee.  Snicker.

Sorry, the US is not that consistent.  It's like that in the west, but
in the east it is quite common for a highway, even an interstate (which
is probably an old road that was re-labeled to get federal money) to
have really short, dangerous, crappy on and off ramps, that can
frequently be on the left.  In fact, most Canadians have a very negative
impression of US roads because a large fraction of Canadians live
adjacent to NY or Michigan, which both have particularly bad roads.  I
used to think that the US had universally bad roads until I started
driving a lot outside of these states.

Crispin
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Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: clewis@bwdlh118.bnr.ca (Chris Lewis)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:32:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.174658.4360@bnr.ca> dwjz@bnr.ca  writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.123154.3261@eci386.uucp>, rstory@eci386.uucp (Robert Story) writes:
>|> BTW, in the US multi-lane, limited access highways are called
>|> freeways, in Britain motorways, in France Autoroutes, in Germany
>|> Autobahns ... what do Canadians call 'em?

>If I remember the Highway Traffic Act correctly, limited access multi-lane 
>roads are called freeways (e.g., the 401 is the "MacDonald-Cartier Freeway"), 
>while roads with intersections where the adjoining road is controlled by 
>either a stop sign or traffic signals are highways (e.g., Toronto's Allen Road).

Limited access multi-lane roads are often called "400-series highways" instead,
at least technically.  400 series highways have certain design criteria,
and are, by default, 100 Kmph.  Roads that aren't officially 4xx have to
have special approval for 100Kmph.  Which is partially why, for example,
the DVP, highway 7, 17 etc. aren't 100Kmph even in divided portions.  (the
100Kmph sections of 17 are actually 417 ;-)  The QEW is one of the few exceptions
(100Kmph without being a 4xx highway).

Ie: once 115 is finally finished, it'll become highway 415, and the speed
limit will go to 100Kmph.

I don't know what, if any, the distinctions are between x, xx and 1xx highways.
It may mean something now, but some roads aren't being renamed to reflect it.
Some are (eg: portions of 69 -> 169).  It could well be that the last two
digits are the actual road identification, and the third (suppressed 0, or 1 or 4)
indicates a road "standard".  Then again, maybe not (7 & the new 407, 9 & 409,
10 and 410 etc.)

Then again, even if this nonsense has any validity, it only applies to Ontario.
Ditto the HTA.

So, we call 'em whatever we feel like.
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:17:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.032748.18690@sq.sq.com> rph@sq.sq.com (Pontus Hedman (VE3RPH)) writes:
>	If you get passed on the right, YOU are doing something wrong.
>	It shouldn't have been been possible. You're in the wrong lane.
>	Move right.

 Not necessarily.  Typical scenario: the traffic in the right lane
 is moving somewhat below the limit.  I am in the left lane, doing
 the limit.  The traffic in both lanes is heavy enough that, if I
 move right into one of the smallish gaps there, I will be trapped
 there at a slower speed.  Some asshole with a lead foot is
 decidely unhappy with the limit, and is proceeding at his own speed
 by weaving in and out of whatever gaps he finds, in whichever lane.
 When I'm driving below the limit, I'll willingly move over, in 
 accordance with my obligation to do so and in accordance with
 good manners.  When I'm driving at the limit, I'll be buggered if
 I'll inconvenience myself to accomodate somebody else's demand
 that he be allowed to drive at whatever speed suits him.
From: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: sdebar re passing or right (was sidebar re 401 (: -))
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:30:24 GMT
Reply-To: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Distribution: ont
Organization: Ember---private system

In article <ALAVIGNE.92Aug21092957@bmerh930.bnr.ca> alavigne@bmerh930.bnr.ca
(Andrew Lavigne) writes:

>From : "Driver Speed Behavior on U.S. Streets and Highways"
>       Samuel C. Tignor, Ph.D. and Davey Warren
>       Federal Highway Administration.

>                                                         Increasing
> speed limits to more realistic levels will not result in higher speeds but
> would increase voluntary compliance and target enforcement at the occasional
> violator and high-risk driver."

Somebody who thinks that you can raise the posted limit without drivers
speeding up has much more faith in the sanity of drivers than I believe
is justified.

- Paul Colley
University:  colley@qucis.queensu.ca
Home:        pacolley@ember.uucp   watmath!ember!pacolley  +1 613 545 3807
"Quantum Mechanics:  The dreams stuff is made of"    - Ken Burnside

Newsgroups: ont.general,ott.general
From: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Subject: Re: sidebar re 401
Reply-To: dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: ont
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:43:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.162554.8677@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel) writes:
|>      Let's face it:  At least some of the misbehaviour of Ottawa drivers
|> is attributable to the pitiful excuse they have for a cross-city
|> expressway.  Toronto has far better roads than Ottawa, thus minimizing
|> the temptation to make idiotic maneuvers.  There are plenty of poor
|> drivers in both cities, not to mention suicidal pedestrians and
|> cyclists.
|> 

Well said!  I've already posted a list of annoying things about the way
roads and traffic signals are engineered in Ottawa, and I think that these 
flaws make driving in Ottawa sooooooo frustrating, that people soon 
lose patience and start to do stupid things.  The drivers are merely trying
to drive in a region that is extremely hostile towards tranportation.

When I say it's hostile, this includes cars (poorly designed roads and 
high gasoline costs), buses (OC Turtle with its poor service and convoluted 
and confusing fare structure), taxis (the most expensive in Canada), and 
bicycles (no bicycle-only paths, few reserved bicycle-only lanes on major
roads).

I read in the {Ottawa Spitizen} recently that along King Edward Avenue 
they are going to _narrow_ the street and _add_ more traffic signals 
with the express purpose of _slowing_down_ and _discouraging_ traffic.
For our granola-crunching car-hating cyclists and other enviro-Nazis, this 
is good news, but I think it's ass-backwards urban planning.

Also, Ottawa has _no_ North/South arterial roadways, and has no plans on
building one, save the 416 in, what, 1996?  All North/South roads are
operating way beyond their current capacity, which leads to traffic
tie-ups and eventually to impatient drivers.

99% of the time, driving in Ottawa is rather uneventful.  It's the left
over 1% when something stupid happens that people tend to remember.

|> 				Marc R. Roussel
|>                                 mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
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From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.followup
Subject: Re: Refusing to yield right of away out of moral indignation
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:35:49 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 2005

From article <1992Aug19.015048.4794@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>, by rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout):
> Steve !
> 
> Wouldn't it have been more productive and fast for your wife to call the police
> (911 or its equivalent in Canada) ?
> I am sure they can get there faster, and would be able to open the door or go
> through one of the windows etc...
> 
> Just a thought , please no flames.
> 


  There is indeed a 911 service in Montreal area.

  There have been a number of horror stories regarding length of response
  time in the Montreal area.

  These incidents are surely not the rule.

  The ambulance service in Montreal is notoriously slow (nothing to do
  with the 911 service) to respond.

  I knew that outside of the rush hour (i.e relatively quiet roads) I could
  probably do the trip in less than 15 minutes.  It was a distance of about
  20 km : mostly highway. If I recall correctly, I did it in about 12 mins.
  That's an average speed of about 100km/hr!

  It is debatable whether 911 would have resulted in a faster response.

  It would probably have been advisable for her to have called 911 first and
  then called me. It would not have mattered who got there first.

  I was only providing an example from my own experience of an occasion for
  breaking the speed limits in an emergency.

  The point I didn't make too clear, perhaps, was that a vehicle travelling
  very fast with main beam, hazard lights and intermittent use of horn is
  obviously in a desparate hurry for some reason - and drawing attention
  to itself.

  It is far more likely that such a vehicle is responding to an emergency
  than simply driving like a maniac for the hell of it - no?

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From: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Newsgroups: ont.general
Subject: Re: STEVE GREEN Concert
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:19:26 GMT
Reply-To: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Organization: Ember---private system

In article <18AUG92.09260479@cc4.crl.aecl.ca> roihar@cc4.crl.aecl.ca writes:
>who the H*** is Steve Green...

A singer, of more than adequate ability.  And enjoying reasonable
amounts of fame in some segments of the population.

Perhaps a description of one of his albums will help:

	Steve Green, "For God and God Alone"

	Side 1:
		Call to Worship
		God and God Alone
		I Will Lift Up
		Higher Ground
		We Have Seen God's Glory

	Side 2:
		Let us Praise the Almighty
		Household of Faith
		Only Jesus/Calvary's Love
		Enter In
		You Want To ... Now Will You

- Paul Colley
University:  colley@qucis.queensu.ca
Home:        pacolley@ember.uucp   watmath!ember!pacolley  +1 613 545 3807
"Quantum Mechanics:  The dreams stuff is made of"    - Ken Burnside

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