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Subject: Re: What happened?
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 10:48:03 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:


> Finally, it would be a recognizable Dr. Who if, like I said, the right people
> were behind the scenes. The creators of Red Dwarf were in on the production o
> the American version (if I remember correctly), yet a bunch of people downed
> the show without ever seeing it. Too bad for those of us who would have watch
> it with an open mind.
> 
> Tom

Yes, but I do know someone who did see it, and he told me that it was pretty
bad. And all the "English" humor was pretty much out of it.  It was too
Americanized, right down to the blond/G.Q. Lister.  Now, I can't say, I
didn't see it, I'm only hearing this second hand.  One from someone who
saw the pilot, and another from someone who worked on the show.  From
the person that worked on the show, he said that there were a lot of problems
with the producer, who just didn't get it.  The producer wrote a script for
it and Grant and Naylor had to come over and re-write it.  The American
producer had ruined all the humor because he just didn't understand
British humor.  I guess the only real good thing about the show not
going here in America is that Robert Lewellen<sp?> will be doing Kryten
in England after all, and he gets a really great costumes, (rather then
the cheep/very uncomfortable one he had before).  As far as I'm conserned
as long as Red Dwarf is being produced in England, I'd just as soon see
that version, even though we have to wait a year or two to get it.
Now with Dr. Who, I'm not exactly sure.  What I want is
the Beeb, (or an outside, English  production co.) producing it with
Sylvester McCoy and Sophie Aldred.  I'll take a new cast as a second 
choice.  And way down at the bottom of the list I would take an
American company producing it.  As long as it was being produced for
syndication (like ST:TNG) and NOT for a netwok.  A network would only
screw it up.

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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: New adventures/video releases upcoming
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:50:19 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Some news and notes from DWM 191:

Video releases for 1993
Although there are no concrete plans, rumors suggest a major
line-up of releases for 1993.  Already announced is the release
of the Cybermen story "The Invasion", an 8-part story with 
parts 1 & 4 missing and linking narration done by Nicholas
Courtney.  Carol Ann Ford (Susan) has been approached to link
"The Reign of Terror", a 6-part story from the first season,
of which parts 4 & 5 are missing.  Also, Michael Craze (Ben)
is one of the leading possibilities to link "The Tenth Planet",
the 4-part story which ended William Hartnell's run as the 
Doctor and intorduces the Cybermen.  In "The Tenth Planet", 
episode 4 is missing.  John Nathan-Turner has been reluctant
to release incomplete stories with the final episdoe missing,
but it seems that the success of recent BBC Home Video special
releases may over-weigh this consideration in the case of 
"The Tenth Planet".  "Doctor Who - The Documentaries" is
antohter provisional 1993 release.  It would couple the 1977
"The Lively Arts" documentary "Whose Doctor Who?" and the 
recent "Resistence is Useless".  Further "Years" tapes ("The
Davison Years", "The Colin Baker Years", and "The McCoy Years")
are in very early planning stages, but are likely to follow the form
of the "Tom Baker Years" tape, featuring clips and interviews.

Book News:
The New Adventures will begin monthly releases next year with
"Transit" by Ben Aaronovitch.  Following that will be "The
Highest Science" by Gareth Roberts in February; "The Pit" by
Neil Penswick in March; "Deceit" by Peter Darvill-Evans in 
April; and "Lucifer Rising" by Andrew Lane and Jim Mortimer
in May, concluding the Futer History cycle.
Following this will be four unconnected adventures, "White
Darkness" by David McIntee in June; "Shadowmind" by Chris Bulis
in July, "Birthright" by Nigel Robinson in August; and provisionally,
"Iceberg" by David Banks in September (final contracts have not 
yet been signed with David Banks).
Following these is a proposed series of linked novels.  It is
stressed that none of these authors have signed contracts and this
info is subject to change.  The possibilities include: "Bloodheat"
by Jim Mortimer in October; "The Dimension Riders" by Daniel
Blythe in November; "The Left-Handed Hummingbird" by Kate Orman;
"Comumdrum" by Steve Lyons; and the linked series would be concluded
by Paul Cornell in "Anarchy in the UK".

That's the news as I know it.

Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
From: wsjohn@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Need videos of the First two doctors...
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:40:42 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

Hello,

I hope this is the place to do this and the correct News Group.
I have ALL of the episodes from the third Doctor (Pertwee) to the present
Doctor (McCoy). I need the episodes from the first TWO doctors. I am
willing to trade these videos (VHS) with anyone out there who will trade
episodes of the first two (Hartnell and Troughton). 

Please send E-Mail to Bill at WSJOHN@BB1T.Monsanto.com

P.S. Here in St. Louis, they showed the "Tomb of the Cybermen" 
Troughton episode that was recently found in Singapore.
Good Episode... 

Thanks...
From: juoncatherin@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: McCoy responses?!! :-(
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:29:25 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

<JUONCATHERIN> here, a.k.a.  MC Flash X.  I never dreamed that my simple 
little Long Live Sylvester McCoy post would end up blowingup into 
arguements about the best Sylvester McCoy episode.  Oh well.  For the 
record, I liked Paradise Towers, and I sorta liked Greatest Show in the 
Galaxy.  But I'd like to pose a question.  I'm sort of an amateur writer, 
having attended writer's conferences, etc.  I've been reading stuff like 
Romana 'n Dave, and I was wondering:  Would anyone read an original Dr. Who 
story if I posted it?  Maybe not a good idea, since people would probably 
start flaming each other about typographical errors and technical mistakes. 
But if anyone would like to see one, I'd sure like to try.  If interested, 
let me know.  I'm out like Bush in Nov.

'Just like the prodigal son I've returned
Anyone stepping to me you'll get burned'  House of Pain, Jump Around

Peace from the X-man.
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Resistance Is Useless
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:19:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:

>In the part entitled "Effects (Special)" the first scene is of a small ship
>landing. I don't know what story it is from. A friend thought it was The
>Daleks' Masterplan #10. Anyone know?

According to a listing I got of this newsgroup last June, it is part
of a 28 second silent 35mm film insert of Mavic Chen's ship, "The Spar",
landing on the pad on Kembel from episode 1 of the Dalek's Master Plan.
From: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:01:24 GMT
Reply-To: bn823@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Mullaney)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) says:

>In article <1992Aug28.133443.14412@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
>>
>>I didn't think "The Gunfighters" was >that< bad, although the British 
>>accents on cowboys was pretty abysmal.  The one story I can't stand
>>is "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."  
>>
>
>
>I simply *have* to say something about this!
>You prefer The Gunfighters to The Greatest Show in the Galaxy?
>Greatest SHow is to me one of Sylvester's best stories, and his personal
>favorite as well.  It has such a surreal atmosphere to it I simply

I'm still a week behind in reading this due to vacation.  I can't hold
back.  I've seen "Greatest Show ..." about 3 times and I've NEVER liked
it.  I don't know why, I just can't get into it.  I was glad to see that
there is at least one other person who doesn't like it.  I like all the 
rest of Sylvester's (that I have seen) shows including Paradise Towers 
and 'Time & the Rani'.  Alas, I've missed 'The Gunfighters' every time 
it's been on my local PBS.

-- 
: Pete Mullaney              :  Always do right.  This will gratify       :
:                             :  some and astonish the rest.               :
:                             :      Samuel  Langhorne Clemens             :   
:                             :      aka Mark Twain                        :   
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: carhart@netcom.com (Raymond E. Carhart)
Subject: ftp for text?
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 07:45:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 


Hi
Is there an ftp site for textfiles, synopses, lists and the like?
This question was asked for text or gifs, and no text was mentioned..
if that was a de facto "no", sorry for the repetition..

Kevin

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From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:03:51 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

In <1992Aug27.085657.1845@bvc.edu> juoncatherin@bvc.edu writes:

>Is Sylvester McCoy the right doctor?

>Being new to this network thing, I really don't know much yet.  But one 
>thing that I do know is that Doctow Who is the all time greatest TV show, 
>period.  From 'An Unearthly Child' to 'Rememberance of the Daleks', nearly 
>every episode has been fabulous.  And the doctors (with the due and 

Let's not exaggerate here. You would appear to be the unique fan which has
not seen a stomach-turning episode? Everyone seems to have differing
opinions on this, but surely no-one really liked such dross as Timelash
or Time  and the Rani ?

>justified exception of Colin Baker) have averaged about four years apiece.  

What's with this Colin Baker bashing?

If you want 100 % nice characters, I suggest you try ST:TNG. Colin Baker
portrayed what I consider to be the Doctor most resembling a human being
with all the attendant character flaws and angst. Considering his 
predecessor was possibly the most lack-lustre Doc yet, he made a 
refreshing change for me.

>So why should Sylvester McCoy be replaced if Doctor Who starts up again?  
>That seems to be what everyone is saying.  Give the guy a chance!  I think 
>he is one of the three best we've had yet.  He deserves at least another 
>two seasons.  That's all.

IMHO a new DW series should make a clean break with the old one. From what
I hear, all the standard sets will have to me remade, and so probably
redesigned too. Should they really try to carbon-copy the old series, or
should there be sweeping changes in the look of a new show? I'm not saying
that the basic premise of the show should be altered, but a redesign
surely wouldn't go amiss? At the least, they should get rid of those
dopey BBC micro screens in the main console, boy they sucked.

Uh-oh. Cloister bell, Flame Alert!

Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

               "Get a life!" - William Shatner
    "Is there something wrong with the one I have?" - Spock, STIV
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Tomb of the Cybermen
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 05:19:40 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

My comments on Tomb as I beleive most of us has seen it, however

^L






















   I agree that it is a classic, but should have NOT been broadcast in
butcher's (episode) format.

Motto I like : Doctor - "By keeping my eyes open and my mouth shut".
               This should be the r.a.dw motto.

Funniest scene: Jamie claims to have tied down the Cybercontroller, but the
                controller breaks out of the cell.

Tragic scene: the death of  Toberman.

Favourite meglomaniac :  Kleig

Confusing Conclusion :  The control panels, the hatch and the doors were
                        ALL supposed to be electrified, so how can a dmaaged
                        controller, or anuybody, suppose to have gotten to the
                        TOmbs without risking death?

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
cowboy (n): A 20th Century extension of  the neanderthal caveman.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Ghost Light Question
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:34:18 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug26.051758.8339@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bv925@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert J. Corrigan) writes:

>Since Ghost Light was the last story filmed (so I gather from
>the serial number), what was the very final scene the cast and
>crew filmed? Did they know even then that they weren't coming back?

No, they didn't.  Sophie had signed up for eight more episodes, and
Sylvester for an entire 14-episode season that he said would be his
last.  Ah well, the best laid plans...
From: mrmuon@next03epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:11:18 GMT

In article <73ccqB2w164w@kryton.UUCP>  writes:
> I guess the allegory in GSITG must be going right over my head.  Could  
you
> explain that to me??  

I'll try but I get this indirectly. A friend of mine told me that this was  
something discussed in this newsgroup a while back.

Essentially "the Greatest Show in the Galaxy" is an aptly named allegory  
of "Doctor Who". The family represents the average viewers, easily bored  
and pleased only by flashy tricks. He kid on the bike represents the  
dedicated fans, forever enthusiastic about the show. I haven't seen it in  
a while but there was also someone who represented John Nathan-Turner. I  
was quite pleased to learn that there was actually some logic to that  
story.
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: ALL OUR TOMORROWS: The Doctor and Causality
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:35:51 GMT

Scott,
	I have already thought about what you said in your last post.  In
so doing, I have come up with my own theory.  I believe the Doctor to be
'time-protected' (a term I came up with myself - I think).  Time protected
people follow different strands of different universes and hence appear to
flow in a straight congruent/coherent fashion.  In other words, it is 
dependent on them as to where the universe/time flow will next proceed to.

Why:  Because the universe would/could not continue if he did not interfere.

When:  I have followed previous threads and believe the Doctor either was 
Rassilon or was involved with him alot (or possibly Rassilon set it up so one
person could do the things that the doctor does). This is where the doctor 
obtained his 'time protection'.

This is my theory as to how the doctor always barely escapes with his life
and/or saving the universe.  Sometimes he uses his intelligence, but other 
times he's in a no-win scenario until something miraculous happens.  I
believe he has outside help!
	
Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)

Note:  These are just my opinions/theories.
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:15:50 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

In <1847dcINN2tp@maico.ksu.ksu.edu> lazarus@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Bart -Laz- Smith) writes:
>Personally, I LIKED Colin Baker.  The first few episodes were difficult to adjust
>to, but eventually, he turned out to be (in my opinion) a very likeable Doctor.  I
>think that between the hiatus and his "feud" with whoever the producer was at the
>time really ruined his effectiveness, and probably made the role FAR from fun to
>play.  (I'm not an actor, but I think in order to really make a character in a
>movie/programme/stage production work, you have to enjoy the role.)  

Agreed. Colin Baker turned in a strong performance at all times, and some
of his greatest perfs. were quite early on eg. where he realises that he's
misjudged Lytton in Attack of the Cybermen. In spite of the OTT characters
in Revelation, this would rate in my top 10 any day. The gritty realism
that came through in these shows and such shows as Vengeance on Varos made
the whole feel of Colin Baker's first season much more palattable than
the antiseptic feel of his sucessors shows. eg. the one with Bertie Bassett
in, or the one on the ice planet.

There's still no excuse for Timelash and The Twin Dilemma, though. ;-)

>If you ever look at a Programme Guide, you'll notice that the Twin Dilemma (his
>first episode) is the ONLY series for that season!  I think that that's when the
>show went into it's first disappearance.  Between that, and his ultimate 
>dismissal from the programme, Colin got a REALLY bad deal...

Minor pedantic point here. Twin Dilemma aired at the end of Peter Davison's
last season, not on it's own. No doubt I am the n-millionth person to tell
you this, though.

>--
>Bart -Laz- Smith
>Kansas State University
>A survivor of the *Prodigy "network"
>The 'Cats WILL rule in '92!

Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

       "Cogito Ergo Smeg. I think, therefore I'm smegged."
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From: nick@sunburn.waterloo.edu (Nick Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: What happened?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:44:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.045226.1210@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>joe.siegler@satalink.com (Joe Siegler) wrote:
>>DN|  Perhaps an American producer should take it over and do it now... 8)
>>I think I'd rather have it stay dead.
>
>I don't particularly want an American Dr. Who, but if it did happen it would
>be because Dave wasn't successful at bring back Dr. Vol. 7 and Ace. "Bad"
>Dr. Who would be better than none. Truth of the matter is, if the proper
>people are behind the scenes (for continuity, etc.), it could be quite good.
>The Doctor isn't really English (only the actor) and why are the companions
>limited to English or outer space (I think Peri is American). Certainly there
>would be more money put into the show. The only tie to England necessary is
>the police box.

Actually I believe that the seventh doctor was Scottish, as were some
of the companions (well at least one!), so not even the Doctor is always
English!

Nicholas Fitzpatrick  (and with a name like that I must be . . . English? 
                  
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From: mrmuon@next03epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:47:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.213224.15116@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
> In article <1992Aug31.192416.21206@wam.umd.edu>  
mrmuon@next09pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
> >Do you have any Idea who the "gods of Ragnarok" were?
> 
> 
> In a way, yes, they are figures from Norse mythology.
> As to how they pertain in the story, all we do know and all we need to
> know for the story is that the Doctor has met them before somewhere,
> they inhabit another time/space, and they have formidable mind powers
> which the eye-mirror could reflect back onto them.

I am somewhat familiar with Norse mythology (enough to catch the allusions  
in "TymeWyrm: Revelation") so I know about Ragnarok. However I am not  
aware of any overseeing "gods of Ragnarok" in the myth.
What bothered me was that normally we are given some kind of explaination,  
but in this story its just 'the gods of Ragnarok are behind it'. Not being  
told anything about them keeps us from getting involved in the story and  
leaves us merely observing (so to speak). Maybe I have to read the novel.
I have a series of books on mythology at home, so I'll try to remember to  
look for any mythical gods of Ragnarok.
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Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 15:45:53 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

mrmuon@next03epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:

> In article <1992Aug28.133443.14412@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
> > bcr@cernapo (Bill Riemers) writes:
> > I didn't think "The Gunfighters" was >that< bad, although the British 
> > accents on cowboys was pretty abysmal.  The one story I can't stand
> > is "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy."  
> 
> I think that "the Gunfighters" was better than "Time and the Rani". When I  
> saw "the Gunfighters" I had such low expectations that it exceeded them  
> and I was pleased. When I saw "Time and the Rani" I was quite open until  
> it got to the giant brain and the kidnapped Einstein, then I couldn't take  
> it anymore. I don't mind "the Greatest show in the Galaxy" that much; I  
> was a bit cynical about it until someone explained to me that it is an  
> allegory of Doctor Who itself. One story I like, although I have no idea  
> why, is "Paradise Towers".

I guess the allegory in GSITG must be going right over my head.  Could you
explain that to me??  

I didn't like "Paradise Towers" all that much.  And I did hate "The 
Happiness Patrol".  

-I still think clowns are creepy
                            Ace


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