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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Squirrels
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:41:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.092614.5123@lds-az.loral.com> jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera) writes:
>>>A squirrel would be altering the tech.  A field auditor would use standard
>>>tech.
>>
>>Please give us some examples of how Squirrels commonly alter the Tech,
>>if you know.  Any Squirrels out there willing to identify yourselves,
>>please respond here as well, or e-mail me & I will repost or summarize.
>
>EST (now The Forum) is a squirrel group (and openly admits it).  Free Zone,
>if I understood correctly, is also a squirrel group.  There are several
>tech bulletins which illustrate squirreling and its danger.  I am not
>an expert in this field so I can not detail this more.

Could you tell me who I could contact to find within these organizations who
will openly admit that they are "Squirrel" groups?  What phone number should I
call? Who should I ask for? What is the question that I should ask them?

Jonathon: with anything you say, whenever possible, provide independent means
of verifying your data (you *did* read the sci.skeptic FAQ, no?). This one
should be a slam-dunk for you to allow us to verify ...

... unless it's just another assertion that you make with no facts.

--phil
From: jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Scientology FAQ.
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:51:46 GMT
Organization: Loral Defense Systems Arizona

In article <By6po6.7D2@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.093218.5349@lds-az.loral.com> jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera) writes:
>>>I tell him that what he's given me is not enough. The dealer's response: if
>>>*I* can't trust what he says, then it's my problem. After all, *he* already
>>>knows that Fords are the best cars out there; it's clearly a problem with me
>>>that I can't see that for myself. He suggests that I set up my own research
>>>project to investigate Fords....
>>>
>>>Is that what the Ford dealership would do, Jonathon? Why or why not?
>>>Question: is it possible for the Ford dealership to provide independent
>>>research about Fords that they themselves didn't control?
>>>(Semi-non-sequitor: could I even find such research at a B. Dalton's?)
>>
>>I understood Phil's analogy.  The Ford dealership would probably suggest
>>that the customer take the car for a test drive (a common practice --
>>similiar to the free introductory auditing).
>
>You think you understand the analogy, but there are nuances that currently
>escape your model. You're looking at what you already know, Jonathon. The
>point of the Ford analogy is to have you think in a new way. The B. Dalton
>reference was intended as a clue....
>
>To continue the analogy, I wouldn't even step into a Ford dealership for
>a test drive until I knew something about Fords. Until I asked a friend.
>Or perhaps until I picked up something in a B. Daltons that told me something
>about Fords.

Until you know something about Scientology.  Until you ask a friend.
Or perhaps until you picked up something in a B. Daltons that told you
something about Scientology.

>
>>However, the prerequisite for the Church of Scientology to do this is to
>>first have access to an independent company which would be willing and able
>>to have their people trained as auditors and case supervisors and then
>>conduct the necessary research.  Are there companies out there which could do
>>this?  (Phil or Rogue Agent can answer.)  What companies?  Are they totally
>>independent and unbiased?
>
>Surely you already know the answer to your last question. After all, any
>organization whose technology has been tested with a rigor only approached by
>physics and chemistry would know the kinds of safeguards one puts in place to
>minimize observational errors.
>
>Right?
>
>Scientology might have to hire organizations to gather and analyze data.
>Provide access to the names of people who have participated in auditing, and
>ensure that the samples have no intentional bias.
>
>The onus is on Scientology to provide this. No individual could do it even
>if he had the cooperation of Scientology.

You avoided the two questions: are there companies which could do this
reasearch?  What companies?

Jonathon
Barbera
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Scientology Joke.  
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:52:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.184133.4106@memstvx1.memst.edu> isds11990012@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.203219.22740@u.washington.edu>,
>> It's healthy to be able to laugh, sometimes even at yourself.
>
>    Okay Mary I'll bite.  Here is a good Scn joke.  I almost decided not
>to put this in here, because some of you might not get it.  But I decided,
>"What the hell??"
>[...]
>The scientologist walked down to Gods office and let himself in.  There sat
>LRH at a big desk.  The scientologist says, "Wow, I knew it was you!"
>
>LRH looked up from what he was doing and says, "Sorry, Gods not here.  He's
>in Qual."
>
>Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! I love that joke.  Sorry if it ofended anybody.
>
>-ARC,
>
>John Holifield
>ps.  everyone is a scientologist, some just haven't cognited yet!

I'm not sure if you cognited Mary's point, John. The joke you posted is
not a joke about Scientology per se, it's more a joke about Christianity.
The question we're looking at is whether or not Scientology can make fun
of itself.

Could you post a joke that made the auditing process look silly? Or maybe
one that depicted LRH as a fallable person. Something where *Scientology*
would bear the brunt of the joke. Try it out. We'll let you know if we
think it's funny.

Earlier, you claimed you had read the book _Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternial
Golden Braid_. After telling us you read this book, you questioned the nature
of Science and Truth in a fashion that indicated that you had either not read
the book or had totally failed to understand the its central theme. Could you
let us know which it is?

Also, you had earlier promised to tell us more about "Scientology Science."
We're still interested and waiting for your posts. Will you follow through?

Thanks,
phil
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Subject: Re: Freedom of speech, choice and association
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:47:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.234043.20394@lds-az.loral.com>
jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera) writes: 
>In article <1992Nov19.153359.5244@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
>rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes: 
[...]
>>What is involved in being assigned a condition of Doubt?  I gather you
>>said something like 'I'm not sure I want to be on staff at the PHX
>>Org.'  What was the response?  How do you act, and how are you
>>treated,  differently when you are in Doubt than when you are not?
>
>I had started the procedure to route-off from staff.  The doubt condition
>was between me and the ethics officer.  I had to apply the formula for
>doubt (see Introduction to Scientology Ethics).  It's rather therapeutic.

I gather this may mean you were considering becomming 'public' again.
If so, were you reminded of the debt that would be payable
immediately?  What effect did this have on you?  If this is not what
heppened, please consider how it _would_ affect you if you _did_ want
to leave, and tell us your thoughts on it.

	RA

rogue@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (The Rogue Agent)
--------------------------------------------------
The NSA is now funding research not only in cryptography, but in all areas
of advanced mathematics. If you'd like a circular describing these new
research opportunities, just pick up your phone, call your mother, and
ask for one.
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: gisle@ifi.uio.no (Gisle Hannemyr)
Subject: Re: Scientology FAQ.
Organization: gisle@ifi.uio.no
	<1992Nov23.062521.3888@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
	<1992Nov23.093218.5349@lds-az.loral.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:44:14 GMT
Originator: gisle@gyda.ifi.uio.no

In article <1992Nov23.093218.5349@lds-az.loral.com> jerry@lds-az.loral.com (J Barbera) writes:

> research, I suppose Ford could invest in this.  However, the
> prerequisite for the Church of Scientology to do this is to first have
> access to an independent company which would be willing and able to
> have their people trained as auditors and case supervisors and then
> conduct the necessary research.  Are there companies out there which
> could do this?  (Phil or Rogue Agent can answer.)  What companies?
> Are they totally independent and unbiased?

Why do you have to make it so damn complicated and expensive?

The CoS claim that they can increase people's IQ.  This is a claim
that's simple to test.  Get two groups of people with similar
background.  One group is willing to do S. training, and another who
isn't.  Have an independent test team and don't tell them which people
are in which group.  Have the test team measure the people's IQ using
Stanford-Binet or whatever.  Let the Scientology train, leave the
control group alone.  It would be perfectly OK to use exisisting (i.e.
not "independent" auditors and case supervisors).  After S. is
supposed to have done its thing with people's IQ, let the independent
test team meter each person's IQ.  Then reveal which group each person
belonged to, and compute the statistics.  The big question is of
course whether the IQ increase in the S. group was statistically
significant superior to the IQ increase in the control group.

(( There are some error sources that need to be controlled -- like
   the fact that doing a lot of IQ tests will increase your IQ, so
   if the S. training involved taking a lot of IQ tests, the control
   group should also do the same tests, but of course not receive
   any other part of S. training/auditing. I am sure the experimental
   design can be improved in several ways -- but you get the general
   idea. ))

There are a number of research institutes that would be willing to do
this -- the one I work for, for instance.  Btw -- I am qualified to
do this particular experiment, and would be happy to do it for free
if I could get the CoS to cooperate.  I have in fact approached them
and suggested such an experiment.  Needless to say, they was not too
keen on the idea.
--
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- gisle hannemyr  (Norsk Regnesentral)
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Newsgroups: alt.national.enquirer
From: I6NB000 <I6NB@UNB.CA>
Subject: Paula Abdul
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:30:44 GMT

Is it true they use special video effects to make Paula Abdul's
big butt look smaller?

                          Confused

Newsgroups: alt.national.enquirer
From: I6NB000 <I6NB@UNB.CA>
Subject: Paula Abdul
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:31:37 GMT

This is just a trial.

Newsgroups: alt.current-events.inet92
From: martinher@urvax.urich.edu
Subject: Ohio Proposition - Issue 5
Reply-To: martinher@urvax.urich.edu
Organization: University of Richmond
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:08:32 GMT

On the recent Ohio ballot there was a a referendum concerning consumer
awareness and the labeling of food products, known as Issue 5.  Is this
an appropriate group to request information about Issue 5?
 
Would someone please direct me to the correct group?

Herb Martin
martinher@urvax.urich.edu
From: pcl@oxford.ac.uk (Paul Leyland)
Newsgroups: alt.tla
Subject: Re: The UNofficial pseudoFAQ for alt.tla
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:55:36 GMT
	<gsc.721737338@coombs>
Organization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, OX2
	6NN
In-reply-to: gsc@coombs.anu.edu.au's message of 14 Nov 92 10:35:38 GMT


   >Q.  What's more fun than palindromes?


I can tell you what is *less* fun than palindromes.

Aibohphobia - a morbid fear of palindromes.

Paul
--
Paul Leyland <pcl@oxford.ac.uk>          | Hanging on in quiet desperation is
Oxford University Computing Service      |     the English way.
13 Banbury Road, Oxford, OX2 6NN, UK     | The time is come, the song is over.
Tel: +44-865-273200  Fax: +44-865-273275 | Thought I'd something more to say.
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.tla
Subject: Other a's
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:23:16 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.


Besides TLA's there are W's, SA's, EFLA's, FLASS's, FLA/PS's, MMTMLA's and
CSAfu's.  Any takers?
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 PEROT IN '96!

  - Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems
    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                    "Don't let the .se fool you"
    exuptr@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org  <SLOW!>
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw origin?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:39:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 22364@news.eng.convex.com, richardh@convex.com (Richard Hargrove) writes:
>
>It's my understanding that bubba is a diminutive of brother.  The much rarer
>female equivalent is itty for sister.  
>
>Bubba is common to the entire SE US from Virginia to Texas. 

In the deep South (Mississippi Delta region, specifically), it is
traditional to keep the same first names in the family for
generations.  Typically, one son and daughter are named for the mother
and father.  To aviod confusion, these children often aquire nicknames,
"Bubba" for brother, and "Baby Sister" or "Sissy" for sister.

>Over the last
>century it has acquired a perjorative connotation, which I think is a shame.  

Only to the extent that it is identified with the South, which has
acquired a perjorative connotation.  Southern accents are routinely
used by comedians to denote people of low intellect.

---
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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: mworley@mathcs.emory.edu (Meg Worley)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Most Hated Recipe
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:19:32 -0500
Organization: Emory University, Dept of Math and CS
NNTP-Posting-Host: emory.mathcs.emory.edu

Great idea for a thread.

My mom was not a famous cook (although she's much
improved since she stopped having to please my dad),
but the worst of the worst was this rice salad gunk.
It had all the things I hated (ham, peas, cheese),
diced fine so it looked like what was in the drainer
when I finished washing dishes each night.

Eventually I got her to calling it Draintrap Salad
too.  Curiously, she no longer makes it...

Rage away,

meg

-- 

 Meg Worley 				Internet:  mworley@mathcs.emory.edu		
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: buckley@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BUCKLEY  CHARLES RAY)
Subject: Re: Cookin
Keywords: Potatoes
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:10:43 GMT

I have always liked fried potatoes the way that my grandmother made them. (it is
 'grandma' for all those mamaw/papaw types out there. Oddly enough, the 
Van Fossen family down the road used mamaw/papaw).

She would slice the potatoes into chunks about the size of the tip of her 
finger. leaving the skin on, she would boil the potaoes until they were cooked
all the way thru. Then she would fry the in a skillet with a good layer of
grease in it. She would cook until golden brown or slightly more and season
with pepper and salt.
From: schuyler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (S. Schuyler Stultz)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw origin?
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:15:40 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <Bxz50t.vs@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>I call this the "Billy Joe Jim Bob" syndrome. Anyone else run into
>this same prejudice?

I'm a cooperative student majoring in Computer Science.  I go to VA Tech and
work in Radford VA.  I've had to call lots of places around the US to get
technical information and when the people read it to me, they seem to give
me extra pauses since I'm from teh mountains and have a Southern Accent as well.
I don't have a problem with my co-workers with it since most of them are from
the area as well.  In school, some of my teachers are Southern, but hide
their accent to an extent.  My sophomore year I had a lot of people from
New Jersey, Pennslyvania (sp?) Connecticut, etc etc, and they always got a 
charge out of my accent.  Especially the way I say "high school".  
-- 
Wouldn't it be nice if Education had enough  | schuyler stultz
money to do their job properly and the Air   | schuyler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
Force had to hold a bake sale to buy a new   | Virginia Tech CS Undergrad
bomber?                                      |     wow
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Cookin
Keywords: Potatoes
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:11:58 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1992Nov17.212044.10994@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gmclucki@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gemma McLuckie) writes:

>In article <lbryant.7.721674368@AFIT.AF.MIL> lbryant@AFIT.AF.MIL (Lee N. Bryant
>) writes about potatoes:


>A variation:  Brown breaded porkchops in an iron skillet, set meat aside, layer
>sliced potatoes and onions in skillet.  Put meat back on top.  Pour over a can
>of cream of mushroom soup, thinned a little with milk and water.  Cover and let
>simmer until potatoes are soft.  Num-num!  (Another favorite I haven't eaten in
>years because of high cholesterol and hypertension -- shucks).

No, No, NO!!!!  You take a whole pork roast, place it in a Dutch oven with
some water, cover, and bake until the pork is a golden brown.  You then 
remove the pork roast, leave the drippin's, and please thinly-sliced
potatoes into the broth.  Return to the oven, and bake until the potatoes
are done (about 15-20 minutes).  Serve with fried apples, homemade 
biscuits, and some sort of milk-based gravy.

>Most Hated Iron Skillet Supper: Mom's Yucko Casserole.  
>(Now, I swear we used to have this stuff every other night.  Mom says my memory 
>is *just* a little shaky.)
>Brown hamburger in iron skillet.  Mix in a can of mixed vegetables (gag), 
>onions and cream of something soup.  Put unbaked biscuits on the top.  Bake in 
>oven until biscuits are brown.

>Anybody else have most-hated recipes?

Can't top this, won't try.

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Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: rogers_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: taters with the jackets on...
Followup-To: alt.appalachian
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:08:40 GMT

In article <voyager-141192014535@opsmac2.cc.nd.edu.>, voyager@irishmvs.cc.nd.edu (R.allen Jervis) writes:
> In article <lbryant.7.721674368@AFIT.AF.MIL>, lbryant@AFIT.AF.MIL (Lee N.
> Bryant) wrote:
>> 
> 
>>       With Thanksgiving on the way and talk on the net about food,
>> I wanted to post a question.  The Irish in me loves potatoes, so
>> I wanted to see if anyone had a good appalachian way to cook them?
>> Any neat ideas?  Please post!
> ==I got a question that has resulted in more'n one discussion at the
> table...
> ==do other folx from hereabouts eat the skin of a baked potatoe?
> ==I learnt to do it from the Northern Gal I married, but was quite taken
> aback
> ==when I saw her do it the first time...
> ==Now I like 'em fine.
> 


I have been out west for a while but I rember going to a resturant that makes
baked potatoes boiled in rosin. They are quite tasty. Big coating of salt on
the outside. Lots of flavor. Wish I could be home for the holiday.
 
 
> R. Allen Jervis
> Office of University Computing
> Notre Dame University
> 
> "Don't call them  "Zombies" Lisa, 
> they're the "Living Impaired."
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: nestorm@fedc04.fed.ornl.gov
Subject: Southern speech impediment (Was Re: Mawmaw and Pawpaw...)
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:32:30 GMT

Oh, that I had a nickel for every time someone has peered at a name badge
and said, "You're not FROM Tennessee, are you?" because I didn't sound
like I'd walked off the set of the Beverly Hillbillies!
For general consumption I speak what my family calls "educated Southern,"
but I'm fluent in Appalachian and (thanks to having grandparents in Middle
Tennessee, one set of whom were refugees from North Georgia) a dialect that
for lack of a better name I'd call Mid-South. (Deep South is another tongue
altogether.) It always amuses my husband when he hears me talking to another
child of the South on the telephone -- but at least I don't pronounce the
word "sure" as though it were spelled "shirr," as he and other Midwesterners
are apt to do. And don't think I don't kid him about that.
My best and favorite bit is to get someone started in on how I don't sound
like a Southerner and then turn on the moonlight and magnolias -- they
freak every time.
Yes, it's a prejudice, but hey -- if others choose to deprive themselves of
access to your wisdom [:-)] because they can't get past your accent, its
(oops, I mean "it's") THEIR loss.
And if it keeps outlanders from moving in, then let's start a campaign to
preserve the Southern accent. One of my favorite bumper stickers (seen
regularly in Florida, I understand, and moving this way) reads, "We don't
give a *%#@ how you did it up North!"

Bonnie Nestor

DISCLAIMER: I'm not even sure they know I work here, but I'm quite sure
            that I'm not speaking for them.
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian