HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
Subject: Twincom, Lightning, Infotel, DallasFax; which is best?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:32:57 GMT


All are cheap for 9600 baud ~$300.00 I have used the Twincom 96/48 and
was actually impressed. It worked. Tech support was curt but helpful.

Any input?

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From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Telebit Loyalty pays
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:26:02 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com

In article <1992Apr10.043422.5768@Happy-Man.com> irving@Happy-Man.com  
(Irving_Wolfe) writes:

>  If Telebit were stupid enough to extend the Loyalty Pays program,
>  it would be proving to the loyal customers who trusted its word
>  that loyalty does not pay.

???  You still have to own a Telebit to get on the LPA promotion.  Telebit  
extended the offer so (among other reasons) Telebit customers who may not have  
been able to get a T3000 on the first round for one reason or another can get  
one.  But this time it's even better.  Now you can get several Telebit modems  
at a good price, and you can use the serial #s from the modems you got on the  
first LP promotion!  That's a good deal!  I don't know how you equate this into  
being a bad deal for anyone.  Nobody looses here.

>  They would conclude that Telebit
>  tricked them into buying one or two modems before they really
>  needed them, and would never trust Telebit again.  As a decent,
>  honest company, Telebit is too honest to continuously extend a
>  time-dated offer.

What???   Saying "How high?" when Telebit says "Jump" is not loyalty.  Buying  
another Telebit is loyalty.  Anyone bought a modem on LP even though they  
didn't need it needs to learn to manage their money better, not attack Telebit.   
Many people (including me) had been patiently waiting for the T3000, and LP  
just made it sweeter.  When Telebit started this, they had no idea how well it  
would be accepted.  I can remember on the first day of the LP promotion I  
called Bill Masour to find out a little bit more about the promotion.  I told  
him it was such a great idea and Telebit should do it more often, and he asked  
me to call his boss, Marty to tell him since Telebit did not know how well it  
would be accepted.  So how can Telebit be dishonest if they had no idea that  
they would end up extending the promotion (and making it better)?

I think you are being awfully hard on Telebit.  Telebit is by no means a  
dishonest company.  I know many people who own Telebit modems and Telebit has  
always provided them with quality products (although it took a while to get the  
v.32 on the T25 working well), excellent tech support, and many times free ROM  
upgrades.  If you want to flame a modem company, flame Supra.  Here's a company  
who said their modems would ship "next week" for 5 months.


andrew
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Andrew Loewenstern            |  "listen: there's a hell of a good universe
Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: PPI & USR 14.4K/Fax/v.32bixs
From: mpye@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:07:18 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: mpye

In article <1992Apr6.144127.15018@apollo.hp.com>, esteban@apollo.hp.com (Steven Fernandez) writes:

> My understanding is that the Practical Peripherals 14.4
> modem can also do Fax at that speed.  I do own one but I have not tried out
> the Fax capabilities yet.
> 
> 		Steve
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Steven Fernandez | Internet : esteban@apollo.hp.com
> AOL : Esteban007 | Compuserve : 76170,3602 | Prodigy GBWB34A


I got that information from the PPI box.  I have no idea whether it can 
go faster than they advertised it.

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Michael Pye
email: mpye@csupomona.edu
From: mark@infocomm.com
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Loyalty Pays Again and PEP upgrade?
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:42:34 GMT
Organization: INFO COMM - Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca

In article <1992Apr9.082345.12159@nuscc.nus.sg>, ctan@solomon.technet.sg (Tan Chee Weei) writes:
>williams@gamma.is.tcu.edu (williams@gamma.is.tcu.edu) writes:
>: km@mathcs.emory.edu (Ken Mandelberg) writes:
>: 
>: >The Telebit posting describing Loyalty Pays Again didn't say anything
>: >about PEP for the T3000's in the offering. Anyone know if its
>: >included?
>: 
>: 	I took the initiative to ask Telebit just this question. The simple
>: 	answer is NO, the free PEP upgrade offered under Loyalty Pays is
>: 	*not* included in the T3000 purchases under LPA. Nor is the discount
>: 	upgrade to PEP.
>
>Does this also mean that any free or discounted PEP upgrade is meant ONLY for
>T3000s purchased under Loyalty Pays (NOT LPA), which implies that if one had 
>purchased a T3000 from a dealer before Mar 31, one would not only have 
>ended up paying more but also DOES NOT qualify for a free or discounted 
>upgrade?  If this is really the case, it doesn't seem fair, does it?
>
>CW

The Loyalty pays program was EXPLICIT in it's offer for people buying direct
from the factory.  If you to purchase under the terms of that offer you should
have dealt with the factory!!!!   If you feel you were getting such a 
wonderful deal from some outside source for the modem, it was your choice.  If
you feel that the deal you got through that supplier "wasn't" fair, take that
up with your supplier.  Don't blame the manufacturer for the choices YOU made!

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From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Telebit Loyalty pays
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:12:20 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>bonus check on April 6, but that was too late for the (original, with
>PEP upgrade) loyalty pays deal.  And for this I'm called disloyal?

No, just not imaginative enough.  You could have ordered the deal at the end
of March on a credit card.  Since the lead time on the T3000 is several
weeks, there was plenty of time to get the money into the card.
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From: kensaga@diku.dk (Kenneth Fribert)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Modem clicks Was : Supra v32bis (Initial Review)
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:32:29 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:

>>>>Annoying supra "click!" when the modem goes OH at the start of a calll
>>>Heh, my Zyxel does this too....
>>Zoom modems do this also.  Sounds like a definite trend.
>The internal modem in my IIe (an Applied Engineering DataLink 2400,
>FWIW) clicks, too...how else other than a relay would you reliably
>switch the phone line on-/off-hook, given that the phone-line voltage

In order to get it approved in some countries in Europe (ie. Denmark), a modem MUST have a relay which can handle 3000 volts (or thereabout), to get this the relay has to have a switch-'disstance' at 3 mm. Because of this it gives a click.
A lot of modems do, other phone-line machines, such as answering-machines, faxes does this to.
To say it shortly, it is very common.

Regards
Kenneth Fribert
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: setera@cs.umn.edu (Craig Setera)
Subject: Fax-modem programming
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 01:20:12 GMT

Excuse me if this is the wrong group...

Can anyone provide me with or point me in the right direction of information
concerning how to program one of these fax-modems?  I am very interested
in the workings of these things and could use some help.

please e-mail.

Thanks,
Craig Setera (setera@cs.umn.edu)

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Craig Setera
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From: jpr@jpradley.jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: PEP
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:58:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: jpradley.1992Apr15.015852.23196
Organization: Unix in NYC

In article <xvwj6==.gerg@netcom.com> gerg@netcom.com (Greg Andrews) writes:
>I don't know if Telebit yet existed as a company in 1984.

Some procedures move data quickly, like PEP.
Some move it slowly, like the U.S.Mails.

Today I received Telebit's Annual Report, along with a proxy card enabling me
to make my voice heard at the Annual Meeting taking place tomorrow.
I elected to save Telebit the cost of the return postage for my proxy...

In any case, it says in the Report that Telebit was incorporated in 1982.
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Jean-Pierre Radley   Unix in NYC   jpr@jpr.com   jpradley!jpr   CIS: 72160,1341
From: tim@dal.fsd.mot.com (Tim Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: UDS mystery modem
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:36:13 GMT
Organization: Motorola Field Service Division, Dallas TX.

fordke@infonode.ingr.com (Keith Ford) writes:


>It is a UDS 208A/B modem.  I think it does 4800 max.
>Is there anything special about this modem?  Does
>anyone want to make an offer for it?  It belongs to
>a friend and was never used.  If interested or have
>other info, please email fordke@ingr.com.  Thanks!

Yes, there is something special about this modem: It is synchronous, and 
while it can be used on dial-up lines, it typically a leased line modem.

It it totally worthless as a dialup modem to use to get to BBSs, etc.

>-- 
>Keith Ford        __  
>Intergraph Corp  /  \ Micro Magic BBS 1:373/12  Rush/Opus Archive
>fordke@ingr.com  \__/ sysop@umagic.fidonet.org  server@ingr.com
>+1 205 730-8614  [__] 830-2362 HST/V32bis 9600  "Subject: HELP"
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1701 Valley View Lane, Farmers Branch TX. 75234
From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Supra V.32bis FAXmodem
Keywords: Generic UNIX fax software?
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:51:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: clark.1992Apr7.175119.9791
Organization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA

In article <1992Apr6.233751.29706@unixg.ubc.ca> jeffrey@squid.tram.com writes:
>
>Next, can this modem both send *and receive* fax data?  If so, how
>does the calling fax machine manage to get past the standard login
>prompt?

Simple, it wouldn't.

>Can I run UUCP and incoming fax off the same modem?

No, these type of modems are not intended for BBS/Dial-Up Computer
Systems to send and receive FAXes, thats only something intended for a
Stand-alone computer system to do.  Thats not to say thought that you
couldn't run your FAX software in the background under unix and have the
Supra line as a FAX modem only line, and have other lines as regular
Dial-Up lines.

Gary

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: Modem clicks Was : Supra v32bis (Initial Review)
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 07:46:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.024242.10945@menudo.uh.edu> st17t@menudo.uh.edu (David  
Bonds) writes:
>  I know it dosen't happen with most USRobotics modems, I have an original 
>  Courier 2400 (no error correction), and a REALLY old Hayes 1200, and have
>  used a USR Courier 14.4k, and a USR Dual Standard, and now own a Zyxel.
>  Out of all these, the only ones that make any noise when dialing out 
>  after an ATM0 (speaker off) is the Zyxel.  Others have mentioned that
>  the Supra does this too.  I think that the clicking probably has 
>  something to do with the chipset that most of the new v32bis modem
>  manufacturers are now using.  That is the only thing I can think of
>  that would be common to them all.

Telebits make fairly loud clicks when they go off and on hook.  I think it's  
just a relay clicking or something.  Not a big deal.


andrew
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Andrew Loewenstern            |  "listen: there's a hell of a good universe
Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: datri@convex.com (Anthony A. Datri)
Subject: Re: fax data rates
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:51:45 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


>I am considering buying either a v.32 or v.32bis modem/fax and want to know
>if there are many 14.4K faxes out there.

I don't think there are.  Even at "9600" I find that a fair number of
receiving machines loose their minds by running out of memory.

It depresses me to see this "FAX" stuff spreading like a plague -- it just
seems so much like the wrong answer.  Does Group 4 include the transmission
of real actual data instead of low-res bitmaps?



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From: kirill@newsbytes.msk.su (Kirill Tchashchin [mobile])
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Discovery modem ?
Summary: the list of modemsallowed in Russia
Keywords: russia modems approved
Date: 11 Apr 92 08:08:19 GMT
Reply-To: kirill@newsbytes.msk.su
Organization: Newsbytes News Network / Moscow Bureau

For your information:

This is the list of modems and (just in case) faxes 
sertified by the Russian (xSoviet) Ministry of 
communications and approved for the connection to the phone 
network. As of Jan 1 1992.

Note: some authorities in some cities require fees to be 
paid for the "registration" not too much people do it, in 
fact.

Best regards

--Kirill Tchashchin
Newsbytes Moscow


Modems:
1.  Racal-Vadic, USA, V11222PA
2.  Racal-Vadic, USA, V12422PA
3.  Racal-Milgo COMLINK VI, England
4.  Racal-Milgo RM-3296, England
5.  Nokia, DS 3589, Finland
6.  Nokia, DS 2856, Finland
7.  Nokia, DS 61300, Finland
8.  Nokia, DS 61700, Finland
9.  Nokia, DS 61750, Finland
10. Nokia, DS 3550, Finland
11. EC-8113 M2412, M2412PC, Poland
12. Discovery 2400 CM/D, Datatronics, Taiwan
13. FT32B42B, USA, FORVAL


Faxes approved:
1. ARTEK (Taiwan)       ARFAX-1000, -2000
2. CANON (Japan)        FAX 80, 120, 230, 270, 410, 450, 730, 750
3. GPT (UK)             MASTERFAX-170, -370
4. HITACHI (Japan)      HIFAX-17, -18
5. HYUNDAY (S Korea)    HF-1000
6. MURATA (Japan)       F-1, -15M, -20, -30
7. NEC (Japan)          NEFAX 3EX, 63
8. OKI (Japan)          OF-8, -8M, -17H/L, -38
9. PIONEER              PF 2550
10.SAMSUNG (S Korea)    SF-1100, -2010
11.SHARP (Japan)        FO-100, -150, -210, -700
12.SHNEIDER (Germany)   SPF-301


Faxes NOT APPROVED (not officially allowed to be connected):

1. AVATEX (Honkong) EFAX-88
2. MURATA (Japan)   M-5, -900  [M-5 is a VERY popular machine :-)
3. NISSEI (Japan)   NX-11

Fax board approved:
none

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From: boinger@comsat.hacktic.nl (Paul Kolenbrander)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Supra V.32bis won't connect with Supra V.32bis!
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:40:53 GMT
Organization: Satellite Telecom, Geldrop Holland

Dean.Roth@mixcom.mixcom.com (Dean.Roth) writes:

> 
> I have two Supra V.32bis FAX modems. One is presently set to
> answer calls. The other is being used to initiate calls.
> 
> The one answering calls has worked O.K. as far as I know
> with all modems EXCEPT another Supra V.32bis.
> 
> The Supra V.32bis modem making the call will display "144" and "CD"
> in the LED pannel, but does not assert carrier detect
> (Procomm never switches to "ON-LINE" state.)
> 
> I tried playing with the S37 register. After setting 
> S37=11, the two Supras connected. Once. They won't again.
> 
> The one used to make calls has connected with a USR V.32bis,
> though it sometimes takes 2 calls.
> 
> I've tried calling Surpas eternally busy tech support number.
> Has anyone had the opportunity to connect two Surpas?
> I called Supra's BBS, which I assume has a Supra V.32bis modem,
> and connected O.K. at 14400.
> 
> I guess a final test I can perform is to swap the two units
> I have, using the one that is now answering calls to call
> the one that is now making calls. 
> -- 
>  {     }/  dean.roth@mixcom.com          | Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS |
>   \   */   Milwaukee, Wisconsin, U.S.A.  |     Modem: (414) 241-5469      |
>    |___|                                 *--------------------------------*
Yes I am doing so on a daily basis. If you are interested I 
can send you the configuration of my modem (AT&V) so you can check with 
yours. I have had no problems with my supra apart from the problem of a 
earthing loop which has formed since I connected it to my computer. This 
generates an irritating humming on the line. I'm looking into galvanicly 
separating the ground signals to solve this. (hope this is 
understandable, I've literally translated the dutch terms into english)

bye

      ///\  ----->   INTERNET:  Boinger@comsat.hacktic.nl  <-----
  \\\///__\ AmigaDOS 2.0 - Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now! - Sam Fox 
   \XX/    \MIGA. ----- It's mine. ALL mine! And I LOVE it! ----- 
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: chas@netcom.com (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Re: Telebit Loyalty pays
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 18:47:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr10.114439.4333@balkan.tnt.COM> wgb@succubus.tnt.com (William G. Bunton) writes:
>Bull.  What about those of us who didn't have the money?  I got a
>bonus check on April 6, but that was too late for the (original, with
>PEP upgrade) loyalty pays deal.  And for this I'm called disloyal?

I used a credit card and wasn't billed until the unit was shipped.
Iwould reccommend using a credit card over a check as it affords you
more consumer rights.  So if you knew you were going to be getting the
bonus check, it would have been better to order the modem under the old
program using a credit card and gain a little interest on your money
before you had to pay your credit card bill.

Chuck

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From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Modem clicks Was : Supra v32bis (Initial Review)
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:43:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: actrix.1992Apr8.004355.26240
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Apr7.154109.14271@menudo.uh.edu> st17t@menudo.uh.edu (David Bonds) writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.123229.26678@odin.diku.dk> kensaga@diku.dk (Kenneth Fribert) writes:
> >sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:
> >
> >>>>>Annoying supra "click!" when the modem goes OH at the start of a calll
> >>>>Heh, my Zyxel does this too....
> >>>Zoom modems do this also.  Sounds like a definite trend.
> >
> >In order to get it approved in some countries in Europe (ie. Denmark), a modem MUST have a relay which can handle 3000 volts (or thereabout), to get this the relay has to have a switch-'disstance' at 3 mm. Because of this it gives a click.
> >A lot of modems do, other phone-line machines, such as answering-machines, faxes does this to.
> >To say it shortly, it is very common.
> 
> Aha! This is the difference from the Hayes / USR "quiet" modems, and the
> others.  I've heard USR and Hayes are hard to get approved for use in
> some countries - now I know why.   Thanks for the info, Kenneth! 
> -- 
> ---
> Dave Bonds                          "Eagles may fly, but weasels don't  
> InterNet : st17t@menudo.uh.edu         get sucked into jet engines!"      
> The Cutting Edge - (713)466-1525 - HST / v32bis

In New Zealand, the modems must have a transformer capable of handling a
1500volt blast for 30 seconds. Most US modems use those dinky-wee Midcom
transformers  (9204's?) and there is no way they can handle it. Why doesn't
the US design modems for export? The Taiwanese make theirs with big enough
transformers and they export to most of the Pacific Rim AND the US.
 
Wake up, America! The rest of the world wants to use your modems! These
transformers cost pennies each - what's the problem?

NOTE: the premium modem makers in the US do make modems to this standard. But
most mid-range manufacturers don't, like ZOOMs, for example.
 
Steve

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Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         |  and bright in my eyes, 
Ph. +64 4 478-4714  /                   |  And the stars going round in 
FAX between 6am and 1pm Eastern ST      |  my head." R. L. S.
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From: dales@.CCI.TEK.COM (Dale D. Snell)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Supra V.32bis (Disappointment)
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:08:47 GMT
Followup-To: comp.dcom.modems
Organization: The Thumps Memorial Home for the Recursively Bemused

[woof!]

In article <1992Apr8.043039.12429@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca> 
wc7044@writer.yorku.ca (Joel Atkin) writes:
|Wait a minute.  I thought that v.32bis gives 38400, and plain v.42
|gives 14400 bps.
| (even modem ads seem to differ on facts, leaving me even more
|confused)

     Boy, are you ever confused!  :-)  V.32 and v.32bis are modulation
protocols, running at 9600 bps and 14,400 bps, respectively.  V.42 is an
error correction protocol.  V.42bis is a data compression protocol that
(currently) rides on top of v.42.  V.42bis can result in roughly a 4:1
compression of raw data -- assuming that the data is *very* repetitive
(like, all spaces).  Hence the 57.6 kpbs spec floating around.

|Question:  Is HST (which yeilds 14400 bps...I think), the same or at
|least compatable with v.42 (or v.32bis which Ray says....or what ever
|the hell gives you 14400 bps)

     HST is a modulation protocol, running at either 9600 bps or 14400
bps, depending on the age of the modem.  It is not the same as v.32(bis).
However, there is no reason that I know of why v.42bis could not be run
over an HST modem.

     One thing you have to watch when you're looking at modem ads.  Some
manufacturers build 2400 bps modems, and run v.42/v.42bis on them.  They
then claim that they're selling a 9600 bps modem.  Yeah, right, and if my
grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon.  They aren't -- quite -- lying,
but they're certainly being confusing.

                                    --dds

Dale D. Snell      dales@tekcci.CCI.TEK.COM      74756.666@compuserve.COM
"He lies ever upon his horde, his heart jealous and mean.  Never believe
 he has nodded because his eyes have closed.  The dragon never sleeps."
                                      -- Kez Maefele to the Dire Radiant
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