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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Re: Bush's Accomplishments
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:16:46 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Sep28.001055.20039@anasazi.com>, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
|> Keywords: 
|> 
|> In article <1992Sep27.165910.22464@athena.mit.edu> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:
|> ]> at least have an idea what sabers are. Clinton confuses Patriot
|> ]> anti-aircraft missiles with Tomahawk cruise missiles. That's not a
|> ]> good sign for someone responsible for military preparedness and
|> ]> military action.
|> ]
|> ]On the other hand, I think I read somewhere that no less a personage
|> ]than the guy next in line for the job of C-in-C, Vice President Dan
|> ]Quayle, made exactly the same error in responding to Clinton's error
|> ]that you did -- it's neither the Patriot anti-aircraft missile nor the
|> ]Tomahawk cruise missile that matches Clinton's description of "going
|> ]down airshafts and in through windows" or whatever it was that he
|> ]said; it's the variety of "smart bombs" in the U.S. arsenal.
|> 
|> Quayle said "cruise missile" - not "Tomahawk cruise missile." The
|> cruise missiles do indeed go in through windows (see the gulf war
|> video from a Tomahawk land attack missile).

Dan must have learned about that while he was in the national 
guard defending country clubs and golf courses.

Jared "Let's park the tank by 18!" Dahl
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: Re: Choice for life (was Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:06:33 GMT

sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) wrote (in article <1992Oct6.064548.23641@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>):
>Ok folks, read this carefully: I am not promoting some sort of Orwellian
>"sex police", I am merely asking what's wrong with a little responsibility??
>I never knew responsibility was so bad.

But that's precisely what we pro-choicers are trying to defend: that a
woman can make responsible choices for herself, and doesn't need the
police, a judge, or a biblethumper to tell her what she has to do!

Why do pro-lifers want to believe that woman can't make responsible
choices for themselves?

-- 
_/_/_/  Brian Kendig                             Je ne suis fait comme aucun
 _/_/  bskendig@netcom.com                de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
  _/                            n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.
                             Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.
                                                                 -- Rousseau
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss
Subject: Re: What is "Sexual Orientation"?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:52:18 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Sep25.192557.14209@microsoft.com>, bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
> (me)
# # Your homophobia is also showing; by describing sodomy as the source
# # of STDs, you are deliberately ignoring the fact that the vast majority
# # of transmissions of STDs (all categories) is in heterosexual sex.  By
# # your logic, we should prevent heterosexual sex on the grounds that it
# # affects society as a whole.
# 
# (cramer)
# /In the U.S., the vast majority of transmissions of AIDS are by
# /homosexual sex, usually by sodomy.  
# 
# And in Africa the transmission of AIDS is through heterosexual sex.  
# So what?
# 
# You deliberately ignore my point; fortunately I am watching you and
# am not going to let you get off that easily.  To wit:
# 
# SINCE:
# the vast majority of the other STDs are transmitted by heterosexual sex.  
# 
# AND IF:
# you are in favor of regulating "sodomy" due to AIDS, 
# 
# THEN:
# you must be in favor of regulating heterosexual sex due to 
# the other STDs that get transmitted by it.
# 
# ELSE:
# you are simply being a homophobe.

I'm not sure why you are so dense.  My point is NOT to justify
regulating what you do in private, but to point out that the same
excuses that you use for EEO laws for homosexuals, can be used to
justi regulating homosexuality, promiscuous behavior, etc.  Do you
really want that?

# (cramer)
# /At least part of why our laws
# /have historically been as restrictive on private sexual conduct
# /as they are is because of STDs.  
# 
# So, if we can get rid of the STDs through medical research, then you
# will be in favor of repealing the sodomy laws? 

Dummy, I support repeal of sodomy laws.  I was pointing out that
the argument for them is the same as the argument you use for EEO
laws.

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Bush: War on Drugs, tax cut->bigger deficit.  Clinton: War on Drugs, spending
increase->bigger deficit.  What a great choice.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: Short-Term Profit over Long-Term Good (II)
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:50:23 EST
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,misc.activism.progressive
Distribution: world
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.
Summary: Lying with statistics, part 134269834699121334

In article <9210060400.AA01055@tba.msi.cornell.edu>, harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
> The Decline of America: Short-Term Profit over Long-Term Good (II)
> 
> Percentage of urban passenger trips made by automobile or
>  public transportation, selected countries, 1978-87:(43)
> 
> COUNTRY          AUTO    PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION
> 
> United States     82               3
> Germany           48              11
> France            47              11
> United Kingdom    45              19
> Netherlands       45               5
> Sweden            36              11

	Size of United States: As big as the rest combined, then multiplied
several times :).

> Passenger miles traveled by rail annually, per capita, 1986-87:
> 
> COUNTRY(44)          MILES     COUNTRY            MILES
> Japan                1,712     Finland             385
> Switzerland            944     United Kingdom      359
> France                 660     Norway              323
> Austria                601     Spain               244
> Denmark                582     Ireland             212
> Germany (unified)      493     New Zealand         74
> Italy                  450     Canada              49
> Sweden                 444     United States       48
> Belgium                397     Australia           34
> Netherlands            388

	Notice where Canada and the US are.  Notice the size difference. 
Notice the extensive highway systems in both.

	Once again, statists trying to say "if you're not doing it our way,
it's wrong".

Brett                                                      
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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Subsidies for Roads and Cars in the USA
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:02:51

I think the interstate system is paid for out of user fees, but the
local streets come out of local general taxes.  Is that right?
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

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From: varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:28:51 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In <0pjzy9h@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
>>	I never made that leap. I don't need to. Once a woman has consented
>>to the possibility of pregnancy, and a child is conceived, that child
>>has the same rights that anyone else does. 
>Not in the US.

	Oh, I see. US laws are the be-all end-all eh?

>>The most important of these is the right to live. 
>Not in the US.

	The right to live IS the most important right. That is why it
is mentioned first among the Big Three.

>>It is not fair to let a woman take that right away from her unborn child.



	To anyone.
>>>|>	No - it is an irresponsible and cowardly acy. Killing a defenseless
>>he slept with your wife. You say that has never happened to you? Ah, so
>>then you cannotpossibly have an opinion on the subject right?
>>Bullshit. Just because I have not been pregnant before (nor will I be)
>>does not mean that I cannot hold an opinion on abortion.
>You did not address the substance of what I said.

	The substance of what you said was that my opinion was invalid,
because I have not been in the situation. My comments directly address
that faulty line of reasoning - showing it to be what it is - pure 
bullshit.

>>	It is interesting that everyone is expected to take responsibility
>>for the results of their actions EXCEPT women who get pregnant. 

>Nonsense.  I fully epxect pregnant women to make a responsible
>decision, whether that decision is to carry or to abort.  I am

	Abortion is NOT a responsiblie decision.

>>too that the only defense that proaborts can come up with sometimes is
>>"Hey you've never been pregnant so you don't know". 
>Defense?  Against what?  I am simply saying it is arrogant (as well
>as stupid) for you to comment on the rigors of pregnancy, never
>having been pregnant yourself.

	I have not commented on the rigors of pregnancy. I have commented
on the fact that it is wrong to kill someone else for your own
gain. 

			Bruce
From: falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Who's your math teacher?? (was Re: Perot Again??)
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:33:13 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <visser.717646520@convex.convex.com>, visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
> In <1992Sep25.002626.1372@cnsvax.uwec.edu> falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
> 
> +>  One problem with your math.
> 
> +>  That assumes that the deficit remains 300 bn.
> 
> +>  But let's try this, Lance
> 
> +>  1993  300 bn
> +>  1994  200 bn
> +>  1995  100 bn
> +>  1996   75 bn
> +>  1997   75 bn
> 
> 	So your saying that independent of the Perot "plan" that the 
> deficit is going to reduce itself via economic growth to the levels
> your listing above.  I'm sorry, but that seems just a bit optimistic
> to me.  
> 	Now for perot's plan to work, the sum of the deficits for those
> five years, before you factor in perot's spending cuts and tax increases
> has to equal 750 Billion dollars.....or averaging it for the sake of
> arguement, about 150 billion dollars a year.
> 
  One problem, Lance.  You would then have to assume that the cuts and the like
would only affect themselves at the end of the time period, and not throughout
the five years.  You lop off 100bn of that number in 1994 (NOT 1993), and then
you get to 200.

  Of course, Ross would have to deal with Congress, which would probably kill
most anything he tried to do to actually HELP the American people, so if that
was what you meant by being optimistic ...
 
> 
> +>  TOTAL:  750 Billion.
> 
> +>  You just believe that the deficit will stay 300 bn no matter what.
> 
> 	And you believe that, independent of the perot tax increases and
> the cuts, that the deficit is going to fall by "magic".

  Magic, no.  But you think that the deficit will increase directly
proportional to the cuts made.  I don't think so.
 
						Mike Falkner
						falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
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Subject: Re: Subsidies for Roads and Cars in the USA
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:35:20 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <JMC.92Sep29150251@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>, jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
> I think the interstate system is paid for out of user fees, but the
> local streets come out of local general taxes.  Is that right?

	All roads are funded by state, federal, and local money.  To what
degree depends on what the road is:

	Interstate Highway: Original construction = federal highway funds or
bonds + tolls.  Maintenance = federal/state money or tolls

	State Highway: State money + some federal funds

	Local roads: Local money, + some state (maybe) + some federal (maybe)

	Suburban "plat" roads: Construction = developer + local money
			      maintenance = local money

	But there is nothing stopping (say) a local government from using
federal aid money to build a road for a plat development.

Brett                                                      
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From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: GOP Cowardice at Penn State and Elsewhere
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:49:48 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
NNTP-Posting-Host: maine.ce.utk.edu

In article <1992Sep30.135622.12753@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao) writes:

=>In article <Sep.30.09.10.01.1992.1339@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.
rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:>>In article <92268.142017TAF102@
psuvm.psu.edu> TAF102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:>>
=>>> More on the violation of civil liberties at Penn State by Bush
=>>> supporters...
=>>
=>>While the violation of civil liberties here at Rutgers four years ago
=>>by Dukakis supporters at a Dukakis rally on the Rutgers campus was
=>>somehow overlooked.  Instead, those of us who vociferously complained
=>>about it were assailed as "brown shirts".
=> 
=>   Please stop beating a dead horse again and again. We are not voting for
=>Dukakis and this forum is not called alt.politics.dukakis. You made your 
=>point that this kind of behavior is not unique to GOP by bringing up the
=>Dukakis rally in Rutgers many many many many weeks ago *-). Even if it's
=>a crime, the statue limitation will soon apply. And that doesn't justify 
=>what the GOP did in Penn State last week either.
=>
=>  Dukakis lost, don't you think you should feel satisfied with that ?
=>Take that as justice and don't be bitter no more, okay ?  Bush will 
=>lose too, that will make you even more satisfied, won't it ? If you have
=>such strong feelings about the issue that you can't even put it away when
=>we are trying to elect someone else (rather than Dukakis), vote against 
=>Bush, the guy who caused the same kind of unfair situation, okay ? 
=> 
=>  Son, this time Bush is not running against Dukakis. Sorry to let you know
=>that.

     Bush isn't running against Dukakis in the same way that Clinton
isn't running against Reagan.


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From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Perot:  If He Runs, I Will Support Him... and hope for the best
Keywords: But alas, you hope in vain, for your head is in the sand.
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:15:09 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep23.123457.1348@cnsvax.uwec.edu> falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

> Well, here we go again.  And I'm happy to see that Perot's people
> still have had enough faith in him to put him on the ballot in all 50
> states.

In New York, it wasn't so much that they had faith in Perot, rather,
they had faith in his money: he was paying them ten bucks an hour to
gather signatures.
-- 
The views expressed herein are my   ||  Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only.  Do you seriously      ||  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
this would hold such views???       ||
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The draft and Vietnam
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:33:21 GMT
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA

Keywords: 

In article <lcoqhlINN35d@spim.mti.sgi.com> mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen) writes:
]So was Nixon fooled by North Viet Nam and got suckered into a peace
]that the other side never intended to agree with?  I think not.  My
]recollection was that Nixon wanted a face-saving way out.  Knowing
]that the North had no intention to follow the terms was not a deterrent
]to signing.  He did it right and they were the bad guys.  Actually,
]that peace treaty wasn't much worse than the most recent example
]with Iraq.  Bush must have learned from Nixon.

Nope. When the deal was negotiated, Nixon did not realize that he
was going to be emasculated by congress. He thought that if the NV's
violated the treaty, he could repeat the Christmas bombing campaign to
force them to abide by the treaty. Since Congress then prohibited
Nixon from taking ANY military action in SE Asia, and even from shipping
to the South Vietnamese ammunition and supplies already promised to them,
Nixon was unable to enforce the agreement.

After all, the agreement was entered because both sides had something
to gain: Nixon got to end the war; NVN got an end to the bombing of
Hanoi. When Congress subsequently gave NVN that result unconditionally,
it is hardly surprising that they abrogated the treaty.

-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
 - - Support ALL of the bill of rights, INCLUDING the 2nd amendment! - -
 - - - "It is better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six." - - -
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From: dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Perot:  If He Runs, I Will Support Him... and hope for the best
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:41:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.151656.20048@cbnews.cb.att.com>, jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp) writes:
} yount@crchh473.BNR.CA (Jeff Yount) writes:
} >Some of the major business leaders endorsing Clinton's plan:
} >Archibald Cox, president of the First Boston Corp.; John Sculley, chairman
} >of Apple Computer, Inc.; Edgar Bronfman, president of Joseph E. Seagram &
} >Sons; Michael Fuchs, chairman Home Box Office; Robert Hass, chairman of
} >Levi Strauss & Co.; John Heinmann, chairman of Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.
} >; Delano Lewis, president of C&P Telephone; Rueben Mark, chairman of
} >Colgate-Palmolive Co.; Jerry Perlman, CEO of Zenith Electronics Corp.;
} >Robert Rubin, CEO of Goldman, Sachs & Co.; and Frank Wells, president of
} >Walt Disney Co.
} 
} More good stuff on Clinton's business support; see esp. comment by erstwhile
} Republican Roger Johnson of Western Digital:
} 
}  SUBJECT: CEO's Press Release
} 
}  400 CEO's ENDORSE BILL CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT:
}  CALL FOR AN END TO  TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS
} 
}  Chicago, IL -- The People First economic plan of Governor Bill
}  Clinton continues to gain wide support in the business community as
}  over 400 CEO's representing major corporations, regional companies
}  and entrepreneurs endorsed the Governor's presidential bid.


I heard someone on the radio say that the reason for these endorsements
isn't a matter of sound economics, but rather that these major corporations
can afford the costs that Clinton wants to impose on business.  Whereas
the small businesses cannot.  This would effectively drive out the small
businesses, and thus eliminate much of the comptetition aganst the biggies.
--
David Olson            dlo@drutx.att.com
"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they
can bribe the people with their own money."  Alexis de Tocqueville
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ba.politics
From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
Subject: Re: Homophobic Majority?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 19:34:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.161348.2499@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>Suppose that you have some kind of bussines in some place. Suppose that you 
>have an employee that is Gay. Suposse that he does not make any sexual passes
>to anyone, but hios behavior is such that other people might feel uneasy 
>around him (For example: the way he looks, he talks, or he walks). Then, 
>soppose that you start loosing clients because of that (maybe your town is 
>an homophobic one).
>Do you have the right to fire him, because you are loosing money, or not?

Suppose that you have an employee that is African-American.  Suppose
that he does not make sexual passes to anyone, but his behavior is
such that other people might feel uneasy around him.  (For example:
the way he looks, he talks, or he walks.)  Then, suppose that you
start losing clients because of that (maybe your town is a racist
one).

Do you have the right to fire him because you are losing money or not?
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: AIDS crisis
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:49:39 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <2738@uswnvg.uswnvg.com> dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro) writes:

>It's really sad the the manual is not available to all.  Or for
>that fact, understood by all -- or even enough.  It would be nice
>if there was a owners manual for life, but alas there is not.

>Now someone amuse us all and say that some religious book fills
>that need.

OK if you insist.  Religious books fill that need.  :^)

-- 
Mark
My opinions are mine, all mine.  Unless someone else claims them first.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
Subject: Re: Choice for life (was Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Organization: LLNL
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 07:55:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.031102.1065@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:

:But when I talk to a pro-choice advocate, abortion seems to be the only
:choice they want to discuss.  Here's a good choice for couples: abstinence
:until they are fully ready for children.  I mean, in all the arguements that
:concept always gets lost.  And some folks think you just beamed down from a UFO
:when you bring it up.

	That's because it deprives a lot of people of a very enjoyable
experience. Try subscribing to alt.sex some time.

	I also wonder if the advocates of this "solution" ever
practice what they preach.

/Loren

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