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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:28:11 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Autopsy - Kahane and Rosenbaum
 <1992Nov2.135108.17692@umbc3.umbc.edu> <92308.0204012893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <1992Nov3.132830.26992@ennews.eas.asu.edu>

In article <1992Nov3.132830.26992@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) says:
>
>In article <92308.0204012893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
># In article <1992Nov2.135108.17692@umbc3.umbc.edu>, shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu
>(Eliot
># Shimoff) says:
>
># >>>In article <92306.1839142893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> andy
># >>><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>
># >Think back.  Did you assessment of Kahane materially add to the
># >ongoing discussion?
>
># Opposing hero-worship of tyrants is always worthwhile.
>
>        Agreed.  And as an ordained Orthodox Rabbi he would do
>everything in his pwoer to discourage :hero worship" of him.

Well, at least you agree he's a tyrant:)

>
># I find it
># repulsive that Kahane is idolised in death, he was a dangerous madman, a
># true dictator in waiting who only preached hatred and intolerance.
>
>        I find it repulsive that you keep on posting these lies.  Listen
>people, why don't you read what he actually wrote instead of repeating

I did read what he actually wrote.

>the same old lies the Jewish establishment who were justafiably afraid
>of him because they knew he was right on would catch on fast if left
>alone made up about him.

Like David Irving, Meir Kahane was banned from entering Canada because of
his racist views and incitement of hatred and violence

>
># While my statement may have been excessively strident, I do maintain that
># Kahane's death should no more be mourned than the death of Ceausescu.
>
>        I do maintain that you have not read one word of the late
>Rabbi's.

Actually, I spent an afternoon in Robarts Library reading "Let them Go"
and other pearls from the Kahane collection and found them reminiscent
of other readings from ultra-nationalists and fascists

Also, I have a friend in toronto who is a follower of Kahane and we have
discussed his views extensively. I suspect anyone who tells you they think
he's a racist, even if they've read every word he's written will be told
they havent read him.
From: ben@vmsa.technion.ac.il
Subject: Re: Modest dress in Judaism (was Re: sexism in Judaism)
Organization: Computer Center, Technion IIT 
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:38:56 GMT

In article <9211031350.AA22551@host0.COLBY.EDU> jjsulliv@COLBY.EDU (Nice Young
Lady(tm)) writes:
>Just out of curiosity, what sort of clothing should one wear if you are out
with
>your husband and OTHER MEN are present.... say, a ritzy party, gala
opening-night ball, or whatnot?  Should one elect to appear 'drab', and perhaps
shame one's
>husband in that manner?
>
>Or should good Jewish women avoid public events where they have to look good
in
>front of other men?
>
1. Does looking good HAVE to mean immodest dress? My wife tells me no.
2. Does Judaism require women to dress 'drab'ily? Interesting, I have never
learned that halacha..
>
From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (Jeff Bytof)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: If I could read only one book on Judaism, what would it be?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:00:45 GMT
Organization: ucsd
NNTP-Posting-Host: lutherlab.ucsd.edu


>Let's say that I'm a Martian and am assigned to learn all about
>Judiasm in one week.  What book do you suggest I read?  It has been
>recpmmended to me that I read "Jewish Literacy" by Telushkin, I
>believe.  What do you all think?

I liked "God in Search of Man", by Abraham Heschel.

-----------------------
rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Alia only with Brith-Mila?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:37:06 +0100
Organization: "The Private site of Manfredo Tichauer"

A good friend of mine asked me to forward to s.c.j. some questions.

First some background history:

Here in Hamburg  (~1500 Jews) we have only one community and one sinagoge
that follows the O-ritus although we have a rabbi (who comes once a month
flown from Mallorca) who is something between C and R (some name him "our
pastor"). This happens because it is very difficult to get/find O-rabbis
who can speak German and who would come to Germany, although rabbis in
Germany are very well paid, even for american standards. 

Now, our community has a very special constellation. From the ~1500 souls
almost 25% are "sefardic" Jews from Iran, who are very traditional and but
not really O (they eat more or less kosher, but come to the sinagoge on
shabbath with their Mercedes ;-). Still, on shabat eves you get +/- 50-80
Jews, most of them Persians.

It happens that we are now receiving Jews from the ex-USSR (till now we
have here ~250) who know very little or almost nothing about Judaism. As
everybody knows, they are not circumcised and we try to convince them in
a very cautious way that it would be better for them if they do it. Some
of their children have already been circumcised here but their fathers don't
want to do it for themselves. Regrettably only some of these Jews come 
to the sinagoge, but these few ones feel very well in it. Our O-chazan 
(from the Netherlands) helps them a lot and does a very good social work
with them. Some of these Russians expressed their wish to be called to
the Torah or to go to the aron ha-kodesh. He asked the gabai to give them
an alia but the gabai (a Persian) didn't want to do it because the Russians
were not circumcised. Even it happened that when one of these Russians 
asked the gabbai for an alia, the gabbai asked him very brusk: "are you
circumcized?". Of course he wasn't it , and he couldn't get the alia.
Some of us think that we should give these newcomers the possibillity to
feel the Jewish atmosphere without putting them barriers, and once they 
are fully integrated then we should try to convince them to do the brith.

Now to the questions:

1. What says the halacha for cases like these?
2. Is there a way to let them be called to the Torah, even if they aren't
   circumcized? 
3. Does anybody know what do the O-rabbis do in Israel with the Russian
   olim?
  
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  Manfredo Tichauer M.                       EMAIL : tichauer@valpso.hanse.de
  Opitzstrasse 14                            VOICE :     (++ 49 40)  27.42.27
  2000 Hamburg 60 - GERMANY                  FAX   :     (++ 49 40) 270.53.09
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: kgivon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (karen lee givon)
Subject: Re: Sexual immorality in Israel
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:19:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.201830.19371@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>In article <4435@bimacs.BITNET> rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg) writes:
>>While looking for a job, I came across the following small
>>advertisement in the situations-vacant column:
>>
>>NIS 15,000: pretty girls wanted.  must be liberal.  call....
>
>What could one do with 15,000 girls at once?  You'd need a stadium to
>keep them in!
>
I almost fell out of my chair laughing at this one ;-)) 
NIS 15,000 means 15,000 New Israeli Shekels (Israeli currency)

(no offense intended by laughing, but I really thought it was funny) :)

-Keren
 
>
>-- 
>  |)  David Charlap          | .signature confiscated by FBI due to
> /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | an ongoing investigation into the
>((|,)                        | source of these .signature virusses
> ~|~


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: NYC Parking rules on Wednesdays - Why?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:05:09 GMT

er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:

> Who on earth has dual kitchens??  Nobody I know, including the most "ultra-
> Orthodox" of Jews!  Dual *ovens* I've heard of (though most Orthodox don't
> have them either), but kitchens???

I actually know someone who has the dual kitchen, but I think one is for
Pesach, so maybe that doesn't count.

> |> Today as an adult in NYC, I just got into a grand argument over why NYC
> |> Wednesday parking regulations were established and how unfair it seemed
> |> to my room mate that only one ethnic group should be given this concession.
> 
> What ethnic group celebrates Wednesdays as a holiday?  Am I missing something?

Prince-spaghettists.

-Don Gertler
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Bocca" honks at "sipa of delco" who is slow to move at green lights.
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 00:10:02 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <9211072106.AA21635@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

> Hasan B-) Mutlu (hiding in the sera@zuma.uucp chickensuit) writes:

Give him my best regards. As for the "greasy chickens of delco"...

 Article by Giorgo Bocca, Correspondent of Il Giorno
 Date: 14 January 1964

 DAILY HERALD (London)

 AN APPALLING SIGHT

And when I came across the Turkish homes they were an appalling sight.
Apart from the walls, they just did not exist. I doubt if a napalm bomb
attack could have created more devastation. I counted 40 blackened brick
and concrete shells that had once been homes. Each house had been deliberately
fired by petrol. Under red tile roofs which had caved in, I found a twisted
mass of bed springs, children's conts and cribs, and ankle deep grey
ashes of what had once been chairs, tables and wardrobes.

In the neighbouring village of Ayios Vassilios, a mile away, I counted 16 
wrecked and burned out homes. They were all Turkish Cypriot homes. From
this village more than 100 Turkish Cypriots had also vanished.In neither village
did I find a scrap of damage to any Greek Cypriot house.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Minassian" on the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslims.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:11:45 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1dn79jINNck2@agate.berkeley.edu> hhrant@ocf.berkeley.edu (Helgge Minassian) writes:

>    After years of speculation, Elvis Presley, also known
>   as the "King Of Rock and Roll" was discovered yesterday
>   in Southeastern Turkey by some Turkish Soldiers.  Elvis

But, I bought my insurance from an Armenian officer.

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill
Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). 
(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 
 million Muslim people)

"Foreword:"

"For example, we were camped one night in a half-ruined Tartar mosque, the most
 habitable building of a destroyed village, near the border of Persia and
 Russian Armenia. During the course of evening I asked Ohanus if he could tell
 me anything of the history of the village and the cause of its destruction.
 In his matter of fact way he replied, Yes, I assisted in its sack and 
 destruction, and witnessed the slaying of those whose bones you saw to-day
 scattered among its ruins." 

p. 20 (second paragraph).

"Our men armed themselves, gathered together and advanced on the Tartar
 section of the village. There were no lights in the houses and the doors
 were barred, for the Tartars suspected what as to happen and were in great 
 fear. Our men hammered on the doors, but got no response; whereupon they
 smashed in the doors and began a carnage that continued until the last
 Tartar was slain. Throughout the hideous night, I cowered at home in terror,
 unable to shut my ears to the piercing screams of the helpless victims and
 the loud shouts of our men. By morning the work was finished."


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 13:11:45 -0500 
From: Tan Egeli <te22+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: test-ignore please

Just a test! Sorry for any inconvenience...

TE
From: e_alper@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: CEVAP: LAIKLIGIN Teo...
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:50:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: guvax.1992Nov12.135003.1725
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <BxLt83.Gpo@sci.kun.nl>, selmank@sci.kun.nl (Selman Karaman) writes:
> 
> 
> 	LAIKLIGIN TEOKRASIYE DONUSTUGU YER
> 	
       (bir suru sacmalik silindi)
 
> onemli olan halkin cenelenmesi,
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^     
> 	Toplumsal bir takim sarsintilar meydana geldiginde de, boylesi
> nazik zamanlarda, olup gitmis ve toprak olmus onderlerinin tapinak haline
> getirilmis olan anit mezarlarina kosuyorlar ve muteveffa tanrilarindan
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^
> magfiret diliyorlar, afv diliyorlar; muteveffa tanrilarina tevbe-istigfarla
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^                                              ^^^^^^^^^^    
> yakinlasmayi umuyorlar,...


>... Kasemin bini bir para oluyor o sira:...
     ^^^^^^^^^
         
> adina toplumu tedvire devam edecektir. 
               ^^^^^^^^^^

1985 yilinda yazilmis olan bu yazida yukarida ki cumlelerden bir 
seyler anlayan varsa beri gelsin.  Yazarin bu tip kelimeler 
kullanmasinin uc mantikli nedeni olabilir:

1) Ya oz-Turkce konusunda yeterli bilgisi yok ve Arapca yada Farsca'yi 
cok iyi bildiginden arada bir bu lisanlardan kelime ithal ediyor,

2) Veya bu kitabin hitap ettigi insanlarin hepsi guzel ve sade Turkce'miz 
yerine arapca ya da  Farsca kullanmayi aliskanlik haline getirmis 
orumcek kafalilar,

3) yada yazar, yabanci kelimeler kullandigi icin hitap ettigi toplum 
kesimi tarafindan "Aaa dedigi hic bir seyi anlamiyorum demek ki onemli 
bir seyler soyluyor olmali..." diye dusundurtmek icin.


Turk alfabesinin degismesinden ve de sade Turkce kelimelerin o agdali 
arpca-farsca kelimelerin yerini almasindan bunca yil gecmesine ragmen 
bazi insanlarda koru korune hala bu tip anlasilmaz lisan kullanma egilimi 
olmasi, 21. yuzyila dunya ulkeleri arasinda gelismis milletler 
seviyesinde girmeye calisan ulkemiz adina uzucu.



21. yuzyila girerken "Medeniyet dedigin tek disi kalmis canavar"
kafasinin degistirilmesi gerektigi apacik.


Emre



NE MUTLU TURKUM DIYENE....                    M.Kemal ATATURK 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re:Karases
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:12:36 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway




|>Acaba RP ye oy verenlerin disinda-
|>kiler hep birlikte tatile mi cikmislar da sayin Inonu boyle bir
|>sonuc almis

+ Olayi carptirma...tabi ki RP haric herkes tatile cikmadi...
+ O gun,pazar, Istanbul'da hava yaz gunlerini andirdigi icin, halkin cogu
+ kendilerini disari atti.. RP'liler ise ev ev dolasip  
+ vatandaslari kendi "secim dolmusuna" bindirip oy lokaline 
+ goturduler...Nitekim, oy verme orani dusuktu...

Durum anlasildi demekki o gun hava guzel oldugu icin RP liler
disindakiler tatilin kayfini cikarmaya disari ciktilar, 
RP lilerde milleti ev ev dolasip 'dolmusa' bindirdiler ve 
oy atmaya goturduler. Adamlar ne bicim calisiyor ya! Iyi de
benim burada anlayamadigim birsey daha var. Adamlar Istanbul
gibi bir yerde binlerce insani sandiklara goturecek kadar
dolmusu nereden bulmuslar ki?

+ Gercekten helal olsun RP'ye bu Bosna,Azerbeycan konularini 
+ dile getiriyorlar....Fakat maalesef Istanbul'un sorunlarini
+ gormuyorlar...gerci  diger partilerde gormuyor...

Istanbul'un sorunlarini gorup gormedikleri icraatleri sonucunda
anlasilacak sey degilmi acaba? Aslan sosyal demokratlar Istan-
bul'da geldiklerinden beri Dalan (Talan) doneminde yapilanlardan
farkli bir uygulama getirdilermi acaba? Ben Kartal bolgesinde
oturdugum icin biliyorum, belediye kadrolarini ne kadar yetenek-
siz ise yaramaz insanlar sirf kendi zihniyetlerinden oldugu
icin doldurdular. Belediye butcesini sosyal faaliyetler adi
altinda Nazim Hikmet gibi ne kadar vatan haini varsa bunlarla
ilgili gecelere ayirdilar. Musluman milletin mahallesinde 
musluman milletin sermayesiyle salyangoz satmaya calistilar.
Belediyenin basarisi ancak ve ancak sorumlu oldugu bolgede
particilik yapmamasi, rusvet almamasi, adam kayirmamasi kisaca
mukerrem insanlardan tesekkul etmesi ile alakalidir. Bu da
ancak bu dunya sonrasinda kendisinden her yaptigi icin sual
edileceginin suurunda olan kamil musluman kisilerin belediye-
lerde olmasina baglidir. Ornek olarak sadece Kagithane bol-
gesinde gidip herhangi bir vatandasa belediye hakkinda 
sorunuz. Ozellikle belediyelerde Rusvet yemeyen, particilik
yapmayan kisaca dunya malina tamah etmeyecek suurda kimselerin
gorev almasi bu memleketin faydasinadir. Bu vesileyle Istanbul'da
4 yerde saydigim meziyetlere sahip olduguna inandigim kisilerin
secimi kazanmalarindan dolayi gayet mutlu oldugumu belirtmek
isterim.

Muhabbetlerimle


B.G.Cetiner
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From: Sanjay.Naik@launchpad.unc.edu (Sanjay Naik)
Subject: Looking for Sinan Cilesiz
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:11:13 GMT

Sorry to waste bandwidth, but I'm trying to locate Sinan Cilesiz, formerly of
California State University, Fullerton, USA.

If anyone knows his whereabouts, please let me know by e-mail.

Thanks in advance,

Sanjay Naik (xsnaik@ccvax.fullerton.edu)

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   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: "Dunlea the pseudo-scholar" in action.
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 19:37:46 EST

In article <9211081111@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.202230.26301@newstand.syr.edu> crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:
>
>>Especially when his concept of history is warped beyond belief. Islam was
>>created in the 7th century AD, after about 300+ years of being referred to as
>>Constantinople. And it was refered to as Constantinople for another 1300 
>
>Seldom have I felt so bad and so good at the same time. Perhaps, I should 
>treat you as imaginary. 
>
>1. "Islimbol"
>2. "Islambol"
>3. "Iskanbol"
>4.....
>
>What a "wieneramus"...
>

No, perhaps you should treat yourself to a good psychiatrist. Especially when
you waste your time posting irrelevant rubbish but can't even respond to
historical fact. 

Pseudo-historian? I could wish, pal. I'll bet my PhD from Syracuse doesn't 
get me as high-paying a job as yours. Then again, I only post about
things I know. I don't post about this I DON'T know. How did you
get to be such an expert (snicker) when you work for the phone company?
Does my phone bill pay your salary, which apparently is given without
consideration for real work performed since you're far too busy with these
silly net posts?

By the way, what would you like YOUR nickname to be? I notice you make
up nicknames for other people, pretty much like the way a 6-year-old 
does when he's in a temper tantrum when his popsickle falls of the
stick. How about these:
serser
arg arg
mut mut 
Nah, you're too stupid to even get the point. Look forward to seeing your
post, crybaby.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet
From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit)
Subject: Re: Turkish Businesmen in the Former Soviet Union
Organization: York U. Student Information Systems Project
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:26:46 GMT

David Davidian writes:

   In article <1992Nov5.152145.12956@walter.bellcore.com> cza@troy.uucp (C. 
   Akgun) wrote:

   [CA] My sentiments exactly.   If you can infer that someone being
   [CA] Turkish agent when his/her posting coincides with the program in
   [CA] Voice of Turkey, you should have no problem on what I wrote above.
   [CA] I was trying to give you the same perspective to make you aware the 
   [CA] tilt in that logic.  I am sure you've got my message.  

   You have forgotten to include that fact that in May of 1991 when the Turkish
   government ordered anti-Armenian propaganda to be suspended (during a period
   of time when the Turkish ambassador to the USSR was in Armenia), postings 
   under the name Mutlu were also suspended.

This is a hilarious piece of crap.

His account was disabled, consistent with AT&T guidelines regarding
network behaviour. This can be verified by anyone who is interested
enough to contact the appropriate AT&T personnell. 

I suggest that you discontinue your provably disingenuous effort to
link an individual's activities on this network to some mysterious,
perhaps non-existent "government order". 

oz
---
life of a people is a sea, and those that look at it from the shore  
cannot know its depths.  -Armenian proverb
From: nsg0604@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (NaciSaGlam  )
Subject: Re: Questions on Turkish Females.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:19:30 GMT

IMHO, just wrong girl =:)


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