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From: ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers)
Subject: Free Agency
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:27:40 GMT

I have a question on free agency.  I thought that once a player declared for
free agency and he hadn't signed with his team by December 7th, he couldn't
sign with them until some time in May.  I seem to recall something similar
happening to Tim Raines and the Expos.  The reason I bring this up is that
Terry Steinbach filed for free agency and then resign with the A's after 
the 7th ( I believe ).  What is the official story on this ?????

Thanks in advance....  you can either post or e-mail directly.

later,
			---Mark

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From: roper@chinet.chi.il.us (Bill Roper)
Subject: Re: paul harrington or mark mcgwire: who's the liar?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
 
 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:22:47 GMT

Plantier made "I want to be traded" noises last year when the Red Sox
sent him down to the minors.  Apparently, he felt he wasn't being
given enough credit for playing through pain during the recovery
from his off-season elbow surgery (which might have a lot to do with
his bad stats last year).
 
I had Plantier on my APBA team last year, so I kept a close eye on
him.  It seemed like he had just started hitting (finally!) when they
decided to send him down.  If I was Plantier, I'd've been ticked...
-- 
Bill Roper, roper@chinet.chi.il.us
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From: gen5061@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Simply the Best
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:24:01 GMT

Just a few comments on all the bickering of Canada and the United States,
myself being Canadian and had lived in Toronto HATE the Jays and the are all
Americans or Dominicans but they had a good yr and won but thats the last time.  
 The Red Sox will be the best team in the East this year and have the best
pitching in Baseball  not Atlanta ( Roger Clemens and the other four
guys...anyone with the Rocket has the best pitching staff). 
  But please Sox sign Mcguire, he'll hit 60 at least in Fenway. 
  
  Best Players in the game, i agree with the person that said it would be
harder to replace Roger Clemens than Bonds.....alot of players can come close
or beat Bonds' #'s but has anyone in the last few decades come close to Rocket?



  Gunning for a pennant in Boston and another Cy for Roger! 
        
              -Doc    from Nova Scotia Canada....


 
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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Boggs to Dodgers?
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:25:57 GMT

In article <42310@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> serwin@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Sean Erwin  (aka Mark Locatelli)) writes:
>On the late night sportscenter, Peter Gammons predicted that Wade
>Boggs would soon sign with the Dodgers.  Being a Dodger fan, I guess
>this would be good, but, I'm not sure.  Any comments?

The rumor starter strikes again!  I wonder if Peter is going to start
with his obnoxious trade of the week again!

Where there is interest in tinsletown for the services of Wade Boggs,
every report I've read and heard has him going to Yankees.  Allegedly,
Boggs is close to a three year deal that should be signed this week.
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
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From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Subject: Re: Silly Arbitration Question
Organization: Pitzer College
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:07:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.205852.20582@infonode.ingr.com> kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com (David Kenney) writes:
>Do both sides in a salary arbitration hearing know the other sides proposed
>salary ahead of time?
>
>What I'm wondering is if a player's salary submission was ever lower than
>what his team submitted.  That would make for an interesting hearing.
>
>I suppose there would have to be very poor communication ahead of time,
>otherwise a compromise would be easily reached.  It is an interesting
>possibility, however.

The mechanics are that numbers are traded between them through the Players 
Relations Committee (owners) and the Players' Association first.  There is 
then a lengthy period before they actually go to a hearing.  About 85% of 
the players settle before a hearing.

(I think your scenario did happen once maybe four years ago, and I believe 
the player was Darren Daulton.)
From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Statheads and park effects
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:09:53 GMT
Organization: Pitzer College

In article <28591@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
>From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal)
>Subject: Statheads and park effects
>Date: 19 Dec 92 21:37:12 GMT
>
>I have a question for the stat people.  How can you justify this
>park effect thing?  In other words, for every park prediction made
>on the net, how many are correct?  Doesn't is seem like stretching
>it a little to say that a player with a different team will play at the
>same level with his new team in a new park?  Are players robots who you 
>can pick up and place in a new stadium and watch them do exactly the
>same things so that only the change in park matters?

To all that's been said, add this:  park effects are computed on both 
visiting and home teams.  The correlation between home and visitor 
indices is usually quite similar.  Here is but one example:

	1990-1992 Fenway Doubles factor:
		By Boston hitters @ Fenway	506
		By Boston hitters on road	356	1.42

		By opp. hitters @ Fenway	431
		By opp. hitters on road*	384	1.12

Park effect is the result of averaging the two, so we say that Fenway gives 
a 27% increase in doubles.  The difference between the two looks 
striking, but really could be due to chance fluctuations.  About 5.2% of at 
bats for the Red Sox result in doubles (out of 16507 at bats) and 4.9% of at 
bats result in doubles for visitors against Boston pitching.  The difference 
averages to 15.7 doubles a season.  But that could be for any number of 
reasons.  The probability that the two figures are the same is about 12.3%, 
so the difference between these two figures is not statistically 
discernible.  At this level of analysis, the 27% figure looks OK.

Still, Boggs will not go the other way in Yankee as often as he did in 
Fenway -- it'd be foolish for him to do so.  So I might wish to adjust my 
guess for him to a less that 27% change.  And if you don't really believe in 
park effects, please tell me your guess to the number of doubles Jody Reed 
will hit next year, and how you arrived at that guess?
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: yankees/red sox news.
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:56:28 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken


news from today...boggs to the yankees for a bunch of bucks, thus
 killing any proposed williams deal.

henke did NOT sign with the red sox - he signed for less money
 with the rangers.  however, according to his agent, a new
 team entered the bidding today - the yankees!  but he wasn't
 interested.

- bob gaj
From: iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: NL East analysis comment
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:57:31 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

What are the most important positions? You tell me.

Any team would like to have a Darren Daulton (C), Mark Grace (1B),
Ryne Sandberg (2B), Wil Cordero (SS), Dave Hollins (3B), Bernard
Gilkey (LF), Ray Lankford (CF) and Larry Walker (RF).

So which guy is the most important?


I suppose you also come from that school of theory that says
that you should build your team down the miiddle: C, 2B, SS, CF.

That is alot of crap.

Look at the WS Champs Toronto Blue Jays. The only really great player
out of those four center position is Alomar.
Four main components of that team, don't play in these middle
positions (Carter, Olerud, Maldonado, Winfield)


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From: barrett@cc.gatech.edu (James Barrett)
Subject: Orioles 1993 schedule
Reply-To: barrett@cc.gatech.edu (James Barrett)
Organization: Georgia Tech College of Computing
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:11:57 GMT

CAn anyone tell me if the O's are in town the weekend of MAy 22nd, 1993?
I have a wedding to attend in Frederick on Saturday and being a native
Baltimoron, I'd love to see Camden Yards ASAP.   Also, if you could
forward the telephone number to order tix.  Thanks!

-------------------OS/2 v2.0 -- Why settle for anything less?-----------------
James C. Barrett (barrett@cc.gatech.edu)| Atlanta Braves - 1991 and 1992   
Georgia Tech College of Computing       |    World Outdoor Baseball Champs!!
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Baseball finances query
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:22:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.005546.9562@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>In article <789@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>>Could someone answer some or all of the following questions for me?
>>
>>	1. What is the revenue-sharing cheme currently used for gate take
>>	   and MLB merchandising revenue?  (E.g. is it 50/50, 60-home/
>>	   40-visitor, or what?)
>
>I'm pretty sure that MLB merchandising revenue is split evenly among all
>the teams.  

They do.  

>I don't know the exact percentages for the split of the gate, but I believe
>that the visitors only get a nominal amount of the gate (I believe it's so
>small as to not cover travel expenses).  I believe that luxury box revenues
>are excluded from the gate for the purpose of determining the visitors
>share, as are revenues from tickets below a certain price.

I believe the exact percentage is actually different in the AL than in the
NL.  It is in double digits, but it's nowhere near 40% for the visitors.

>>	2. What fraction (or total $) of baseball's annual revenue currently
>>	   comes from local TV contracts?
>
>Don't know this; I'll look in _Baseball and Billions_ to see if there's an
>estimate in there. 

Local TV and radio brought in $307.4 million in 1991, about 20% of total
revenues.  Keep in mind that the Braves and Cubs are almost certainly
underpaid for their TV contracts because of the vertical integration.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Baseball finances query
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:55:46 GMT

In article <789@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>Could someone answer some or all of the following questions for me?
>
>	1. What is the revenue-sharing cheme currently used for gate take
>	   and MLB merchandising revenue?  (E.g. is it 50/50, 60-home/
>	   40-visitor, or what?)

I'm pretty sure that MLB merchandising revenue is split evenly among all
the teams.  

I don't know the exact percentages for the split of the gate, but I believe
that the visitors only get a nominal amount of the gate (I believe it's so
small as to not cover travel expenses).  I believe that luxury box revenues
are excluded from the gate for the purpose of determining the visitors
share, as are revenues from tickets below a certain price.

>	2. What fraction (or total $) of baseball's annual revenue currently
>	   comes from local TV contracts?

Don't know this; I'll look in _Baseball and Billions_ to see if there's an
estimate in there. 

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: jaeastman@anl.gov (Jeff Eastman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NL East analysis.k
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:17:30 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory

In article <1992Dec17.000708.17351@cc.umontreal.ca>,
iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) wrote:
> 
> 
> CENTER FIELD                AB      BA     OBA     HR      RBI     SB
> Rick Wilkins    - Cubs      244     .270   .344     8       22      0
> Lenny Dykstra   - Phillies  345     .301   .375     6       39     30
> Ryan Thompson   - Mets      108     .222   .274     3       10      2
> Marquis Grissom - Expos     653     .276   .322    14       66     78
> Andy Van Slyke  - Pirates   614     .324   .381    14       89     12
> Ray Lankford    - Cards     598     .293   .371    20       86     42
> 
> Ratings:
> 1 - Ray Lankford       10
> 2 - Marquis Grissom     9
> 3 - Andy Van Slyke      8
> 4 - Lenny Dyksta        7  (more injury prone than Slyke)
> 5 - Rick Wilkins        6
> 6 - Ryan Thompson       5
> 

Sammy Sosa is the Cub's center fielder if he's healthy.

Also weighting all positions equally and ignoring defensive contributions
must make this rating system meaningless.
_______________
Jeff Eastman
jaeastman@anl.gov
_______________
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Statheads and park effects
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 21:33:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.211628.15007@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> akamholz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andrew E Kamholz) writes:
>Look, you fuck, I said MAYBE. Reread what I wrote and look at what you
>wrote and decide if my tone of writing deserved the kind of response you
>gave.

If it didn't before (and looking back, I think it did), it sure does now.

/kamholz/h:j
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Subject: Re: Mattingly discussion, take 2.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:47:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.170850.14828@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, akamholz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andrew E Kamholz) writes...
>In article <1992Dec17.161922.25289@Princeton.EDU> roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.055227.4101@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> akamholz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Andrew E Kamholz) writes:
>>
>>Is that fair to all the better first-basemen?  Gold gloves are generally
>>awarded by reflex...
> 
>When I said what I did about his defensive abilities, I left it as a given
>that he has the best relexes. There have been many times that, while watching
>on both Yankee TV and National (ESPN) TV, Kevin Maas missed a ball (as in
>dove for it but didn't get it) and the announcers said that Mattingly would
>have had it if he had been in the field. There is no first baseman with a
>better arm or better range or better mental abilities than Don Mattingly.

	Sorry, Andrew.  This is not a very strong argument at all.  Personally,
I think Don is a pretty good first baseman-pretty good, but not great (anymore).
That said, your logic ('Kevin Maas couldn't get to it') is really flawed.  From
what I've seen of him, Kevin Maas is AWFUL in the field.  No range, bad hands.
(If someone's got stats to prove me wrong, I'd like to see them...)  ANYONE
would look good at first base relative to Maas.  Probably even Fatt Butt (TM).

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Bruce 'Billy's Gone, Eli's Next!!' Hasch         hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: gpeel@mta.ca
Subject: Re: JAYS KICK BRAVES JAYS KICK BRAVES JAYS KICK BRAVES JAYS KICK BRAVES
Reply-To: gpeel@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:39:07 GMT

In article <Yf_XsRG00WALI1snIr@andrew.cmu.edu>, kr2e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ken Rose) writes:
>I feel completely humiliated.  I guess Toronto's victory with all their
>great Canadian players is really getting to me.  Yeah, that's the ticket.
>
>                                                     Ken "Mr."Rose


	"Mr. Rose", wether the players on the Jay's team are Canadian or not
is not the issue. The real issue in my opinion is that us "Canukers" finally
beat you Americans at your own game.

							GREG PEEL
  
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From: jle@world.std.com (Joe M Leonard)
Subject: '93 Royals Infield?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:51:36 GMT

What is the contract status of Wally Joyner vs. the Royals - I thought
he signed a 1-year contract last year, and have no memory of a renewal...

If he's signed, this makes the infield:

1B	Joyner
2B	Lind
SS	Gagne
3B	Jefferies

3/4's of it can field, and the corners get on base...  The team doesn't
look like it's going to win any BB or OBP contests, though...

Comments from the KC folks?

Joe Leonard
jle@world.std.com

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From: piiro01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Dave Rodriguez)
Subject: European style league structure for baseball?
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:28:38 GMT


  European sporting leagues are organized hierarchically, the number of teams 
in a league is fixed but the individual teams are not. Last place finishing 
teams are sent down to the next level league at the end of the season and are
replaced by top finishing teams from the lower league. I am interested in what
readers may think of the possibility of such a system in American sports. What 
would be the relative advantages and disadvantages? It would certainly seem to 
make things more interesting for the fans of minor league teams as well as 
provide some incentive for teams to avoid the "cellar". Comments?

                               David Rodriguez
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From: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Subject: Re: Mike Moore to Detroit
Reply-To: raczka@HQ.Ileaf.COM (christopher raczka)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:02:36 GMT

In article <Bz0now.HJH@cup.hp.com> bml@cup.hp.com (Bruce Levy) writes:
> Just heard that Mike Moore signed a 3 year deal with the Tigers.
> Financial details were not released.
> 
> Bruce

   I'am very suprised that Moore signed with Detroit
   they are far from 'contenders'

   After Moore and Gullickson the pitching is thin

   Now if they can resign Cecil ...

chris
--
From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: who stole the kishka?
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:23:00 PST

In article <1992Dec15.232828.21654@asd.com>, scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
> In article <92347.154445RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
>>what is in it for the twenty-six owners to expand, and let two more
>>owners in the game? there's no profit sharing, so i don't think they're
>>going to gain financially from the two new teams, and it decreases
>>their chances of making the playoffs (thus decreasing profits).
>>
>>so what's the scoop?
> 
> Each team gets a piece of that "entry fee" each expansion team has to
> pay.  Also, as I posted here about two months ago, the owners are
> studying a plan to expand the playoff system by creating FOUR divisions
> per league.  I have it on good authority this was presented to the owners
> and is in study for implementation by the end of the decade (initial
> target was name 1996, but the do not feel that is realistic).

  According to an interview with Sandy Alderson (broadcast tues night),
  there are current discussion re a 3 division system with 3 teams/div.

  He was vague on the issue of whether tampa had to be an AL team.

  Other Tidbits :
    - a 24 man team is sometimes better than a 24+superstar team.
      ( It seemed clear to me that this refered to Canseco)

    - The A's management tried to renegotiate with RHenderson during last
      spring training, but couldn't come to an agreement. And they won't
      even try this spring.  

    - They didn't even talk to Stewart about resigning.  They initially 
      offered an "initial starting offer" and Stew was so pissed off that
      he refused to counter.  It appeared that SA was pleased to be rid 
      of him.  He said that the current plans are to patch together a 
      starting staff, but that he's confident that LaRussa and Duncan(?)
      will do fine.

  all for now,
  mp
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Jose/Juan Guzman confusion
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:21:36 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Oops. OK, the Cubs have JOSE and not JUAN Guzman.  My mistake (I don't
watch much American League baseball, so it's easy to get confused).
Maybe the Cubs could get Jose to change his name to Juan and hope that
his pitching improves...

Chris Riff
Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 12:08:40 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Ozzie's defense (Was Re: Mattingly discussion, take 2.)
 <1992Dec17.055227.4101@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
 <92352.051418RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <BzGq29.KHp@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

my word, who knows what might happen if people started being critical
of me!

anyway, fine, let me change "wins because he used to be good" to
"wins because he used to be the best."

happy now?

bob vesterman.
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose)
Subject: Re: auto-intentional walk
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:11:45 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: all

In article <1gl8h7INNag0@gap.caltech.edu> jeff@maggot.gg.caltech.edu (Jeff Goldsmith) writes:
>In <1992Dec11.203549.2422307@locus.com> aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui) writes:
>
>>This looks like a job for Wust simulations!  Here we have a few ratings:
>
>>Always strikes out                  314159
>
>Why on earth is Pi the simulation value for someone who
>always strikes out?
>				--Jeff

Because Pi has to do with circles, as in perfectly round numbers, as in zero,
as in that's the production of someone who always strikes out...

(:-) )

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Walks: not that sexy.
"Halt!  Based on conclusive dental evidence that truly bites, I arrest you 
 hereby for the murdering of the dead Belzic Tascar.  I am obliged to warn you 
 that my weapons are registered as offensive fronds!!"- R.M.Allen, "Monkey See"