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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Re: Bush's Accomplishments
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:21:11 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

 In article <1992Sep14.182441.15949@den.mmc.com> sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims) writes:
|> >nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
|> >
|> >>john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes:
|> >>>eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
|> >>>]Bush has done nothing in 3+ years.  He talks a good game now, but hasn't
|> >>>]performed so far, and I see no reason to believe he will be different as a
|> >>>]lame duck in a second term--a time when even strong presidents become less
|> >>>]successful.
|> >
|> >>>Well... let's see...
|> >>>   He did a good job of conducting Desert Shield and Desert Storm
|> >
|> >>    Strange, I thought that Schwartzkopf (sp?) did a good job conducting 
|> >>the war, but the greatest credit I would have attributed to Bush is that 
|> >>he did a good job of staying out of the way and letting the real soldiers 
|> >>fight the battles. 
|> >
|> >Which is precisely what he should have done.  It's also something good
|> >ole LBJ and Jimmuh Catah just couldn't figure out.

Carter?  WHAT??  What war was going on while Carter was in office?
How about Nixon?  Does Laos ring a bell?

   1.  Bush abandons Chinese students in their hour of need. ( I still am
       haunted by that student standing down the tank).  Sanctions were
       lifted or never imposed.  Military force was definately out, but
       where were the economic sanctions applied against Iraq?

   2.  Bush invades Panama to arrest a drug dealer (we had no jurisdiction)
       and orders him tried in kangaroo court!  How many American boys died
       for this one?

   3.  If you are going to claim that Bush was responsible for the "victory"
       in the Persian Gulf, then he is also responsible for the multitudes
       of Iraqi non-combatants killed and the obscenely high number of 
       friendly fire deaths that occured in our ranks.  Our military is the
       most skilled and well-equipped in the world, and the leaders can't 
       even find a way to keep them from bombing each other?

   I WAS a republican (shudder) and voted for Bush in 1988 because I thought
that Dukakis wouldn't be able to handle foreign policy issues.  Well, I don't
think he could have done much worse than Bush did.  Don't get me wrong, I'm
not unpatriotic, just realistic.

I will vote for Clinton for no other reason than to remove George Bush
from the white house.
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: On-Line Copy of REPUBLICAN PLATFORM desired!
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:43:41 GMT

In article <65250@cup.portal.com>
matthew_c_zank@cup.portal.com writes:

>
>Who needs a text? I can tell you what it is in a few
>lines. Bush and his creeps say this "We are the gift
>from from god, if you do not think the why we think
>then you are bad you are anti-god, and anti-american.
>The goverment sould come and control womens bodys, snice
>they sould not work and have any rights, and they sould
>go home and cook and have babys. Be nice to the rich
>let them overwork you, rip you off, and pay for
>thier tax cuts, if you don't they will export
>your job to mexico"
>I hope this helps you.

     It's good to know you're interested in reasoned, *well-informed*
political debate.

     I, too, would be interested in seeing the Republican Platform.

     I would also, though, be interested even more in someone documenting
the above vicious caricature with actual quotes from the document.

     However, it would surprise me if the above person had even read
the platform.

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| David Veal  PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu                                  |
|             University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education |
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From: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: speed, police, crime, hell
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:04:37 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael Polen)
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mips.com

Ronald David Stieger) writes:
|> Danny Keren) writes:
|> 
|> >scaruffi@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Piero Scaruffi) writes:
|> 
|> >[much deleted]
|> >#
|> >#     The traffic code certainly lends itself to abuses. Why  must  the
|> >#     U.S.  have  such  a  low  speed limit? 
|> 
|> >I think that the original reason for the speed limit was to save gasoline.
|> >If a car drives from point A to point B at a constant speed of 55 mph,
|> >it burns less gasoline than if it would go 85 mph. This is a result of
|> >the old F=0.5*m*v^2 rule, as well as certain properties of internal
|> >combustion engines.
|> 
|> First of all, it's kinetic energy, KE=0.5*m*v^2, not force, but anyway,
|> keep in mind that the energy the engine burns is not really a function of
|> the car's speed, but the engine's, i.e., the RPMs.  Every cycle of the 
|> engine burns a certain amount of gasoline which creates a certain amount of
|> thermal energy.  I can floor the accelerator while still in park and use
|> a lot of gas without going anywhere, or even just let it idle, and I'll
|> still eventually runout of gas.  I think your point is correct, though,
|> that 55 mph is more efficient that 85 mph, assuming the same gear ratio.
|> 
An internal combustion engine is a way of extracting energy from gasoline.
Miles per gallon are a function of the efficiency of the engine
to extract that gasoline and the amount of work being done by the engine.

The amount of work done by the engine is a function of road and wheel
bearing friction (functions of speed), lifting (hill?), and wind resistance
(a function of speed).

Engine efficiency is a function of the amount of work to just keep the engine
running (idling) and RPM.

Most cars have a maximum fuel efficiency in the 45 MPH range while I have heard
it said that big trucks have a maximum in the 65 MPH range.  (I don't know
about that).
 
_________________________________________
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my
dog's, never my employer's.
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From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Subject: Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT
Summary: Paranoia 
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Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:09:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.185631.25482@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)     writes...
>In article <1992Sep14.214043.22405@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR) writes:
>}In article <1992Sep8.173802.2657@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)     writes...
>}>In article <1992Sep2.012357.10369@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR) writes:
>}>}In article <la81loINNi@spim.mips.com>, mpolen@suntory.mips.com (Michael writes...
>}>}>In article <1992Sep1.152133.25112@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:

>}>}	Let's get real people. Reagan and Bush just happened to be
>}>}on the watch when the collapse came.
>}> 
>}>Along with a world-wide economic crisis.  I assume that you've noticed
>}>that the inflation rates throughout much of the rest of the world is
>}>more than ten times that in the US.  Hence, to maintain consistency
>}>amongst your statements, you do not give any credit to the idea that
>}>the White House or Congress have anything to do with the economic and
>}>jobs situation and just happen to be on the watch.
>}>
>}This has nothing to do with the above conversation. We were talking 
>}about the collapse of communism in the USSR. You can't compare a 70
>}year trend with a 10-15 year trend.

>You WISH that it was only talking about "the fall of communism".

What newsgroup have you been reading?

>Unfortunately, that isn't the subject.  Your selective "pass out the blame
>but not the credit" is noted - though not at all suprising.
> 
The paranoia from your writing is thick enough to cut with a knife.
But for the sake of debate (I've already been down this road once) I will
credit where credit is due. To the Afghanis, to the Poles, to the 
incompetent politicians of the USSR. Those are the people who brought
down communism in Russia. I've already argued this once and refuse 
to do this again. 
	As for whatever else you are talking about (you seem to
be the only one who knows what that is) you might want to take it into
a different subject line, there are plenty to choose from.

-Garrett
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:23:10 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Sep12.065749.11907@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
> In article <12251@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# #I'm sure of my sexuality -- but I would prefer that adults leave
# #children alone about theirs.  Unfortunately, there is a loud and
# #vicious faction of the homosexual community that keeps asserting that
# #pedophilia is not child molestation, and that adults having sex
# #with prepubescent children isn't necessarily wrong.
# 
# There is a loud and vicious faction of the straight communitee which
# commits violent terrorist acts against GBL's. 

Yup, and instead of marching with them, we march them off to
jail, to court, and then to prison.

I'm not asking you to do that with NAMBLA -- you don't have the
legal power -- just stop helping them to justify their actions.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
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Subject: Re: Was Clinton a Moral Draft Dodger? (was Re: Better Off Than Four Years Ago NOT)
From: billy@anasaz (Bill Moore)
Date: 4 Sep 92 06:22:52 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az

In article <1992Sep2.164219.12716@anasazi.com> john@anasazi.com writes:
->Keywords: 
->
->In article <81741@bcsaic.boeing.com> rwojcik@atc.boeing.com writes:
->]    Bill Clinton sought to avoid the draft and stay in school through 
->]perfectly legal means.  He did nothing worse than what Quayle did with
->]his "quickstep" into the National Guard, except that the legality of 
->]the influence peddling which went on in Quayle's behalf is not at all
->]clear.  A bigger difference was that Clinton never hid his opposition
->]to the war, and he is honest about it now.  Quayle, who thought the war

Damn!  Crap like this really makes it hard for us newly converted liberals.
I can't resist (but I'm still going to vote for him)

Remember 4 years ago when Quayle got up to 20 minutes on the evening news
for three weeks running?

He was only running for VICE president and he SERVED.

Clinton's running for President, he did NOT serve and he did exactly the
same kinds of things Quayle did - exercise powerful "insider" connections 
to get the "best" deal.  It was not "illegal" in either case.  The liberal
press can't ignore it altogether of course, or somebody might notice the
bias, but it doesn't look like Clinton will get anywhere near the coverage
Quayle got.  

Quayle spelles a worde wronge monthes agoe ande its stille gettinge coverage.
Clinton shows 3rd grade level grammar in his acceptance speech and it
hardly gets a notice.

Clinton's my guy now but it sure feels yucky.
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From: brownfield!jbrow (Jim Brownfield)
Subject: Re: Health care will-o-wisps
Reply-To: <jbrow@glv.com>
Organization: Encompass
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:16:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.195546.8791@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu  
(Gary L Dare) writes:
> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
> >mike@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Mike J. Kelly) writes:
> >
> >> Why do you rarely hear *Canadians* complaining about their system?
> >
> >	When I was in North Conway, NH on vacation, I heard plenty of
> >complaints about Canadian health care.
> >
> >	Too-high taxes, mediocre care.  Assembly-line like conditions.  
> >Waiting lists.
> >	Yes this was from Canadians.
> 
> Yeah, right.
> 
> Brett's artistic licence aside, all I can say to the rest of you is:
> Come up and see us sometime! (-;
> 
> Just a warning though ... you'll be hard pressed to find articles in
> our papers (no, they're not government-run press (-;) about the health
> situation, 'cos for us it's just not a problem ... but maybe I'll just
> take the advice of some Soc.culture.canada readers in private e-mail
> and leave Brett et al.  alone as long as those white collar and auto
> jobs keep trickling northward ... (-;

Gary, you'd have a hard time finding criticisms of any government social  
programs in the American press as well (except to complain that they are not  
funded enough).  That doesn't prove anything.  And it also should not be  
surprising that large blue collar employers will go where a government steals  
things from citizens that they would otherwise have to pay for.  In the long  
run -- when they find they can't exist in an environment of massive taxes and  
regulations -- they will be sorry that they chose such action (or more  
probably, they will disavow any knowledge of their actions :-)).

And, *HEY*, quit smiling upside down.  It makes me think your in Austrailia  
;-).

> 
> gld
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Gary L. Dare

Jim Brownfield
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
From: neeri@iis.ethz.ch (Matthias Neeracher)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: record album stickering
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:34:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Integrated Systems Laboratory, ETH, Zurich

In article <farenebt.716423991@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>I am no fan of censorship but I am wondering how the stickering of
>record albums ("Parental advisory: explicit lyrics") is any different
>from the movie industry rating its movies, G, PG, Pg-13 and R (and NC-17)?
>Why is one ok but the other elicits fervert opposition?

The problem I see with stickering is that some record stores no longer
sell records with warning labels. _Rolling Stone #637_ of August 20 of this
year had a story about this. Some quotes:

   Super Club does it in two different ways: In some regions, the chain
   restricts the sale of all product with warning labels to customers eighteen
   and older. And in all Super Club stores, selected titles are off-limits to
   minors, whether or not they bear industry parental-advisory labels.

   [...]

   Body Count is the only hard rock title on the regularly updated hit list;
   with the exception of that and three albums by comedian Andrew Dice Clay,
   the Super Club Top Forty roster is an exclusive club for rappers, singling
   out releases - and in some cases, entire catalogs - by AMG, Bust Down,
   Luther Campbell, Choice, Cypress Hill DJ Quik, Dogs, Eazy-E, Gangsta N-I-P,
   Geto Boys, Hard Boys, Ice Cube, Ice-T and N.W.A, among others.

   [...]

   All of the titles on Super Club's "restricted" list are assigned special
   department numbers. When these department numbers are scanned by a store
   cashier, the computer system gives a CHECK ID prompt. After the customer's
   ID is checked for proof of age, the cahier must enter his or her five-digit
   employee number before the register will accept other commands.

   [...]

   According to Miller, the requirement for employees to enter their ID numbers
   after carding customers isn't a Gestapo tactic; it's only a system prompt.

So labelling a record may make it rather difficult to obtain for minors.

Re-reading my article, I notice that I still haven't said anything about why I
don't find film ratings all that objectionable. Why I don't really have a good
answer on that, I suspect that it's because records and books present
"corrupting" material at a more abstracted level.

Matthias

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  "Nur die halbe Welt ist Teflon und Asbest" -- Einstuerzende Neubauten 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: record album stickering
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:39:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep15.010027.18091@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
(Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>Putting a rating on an artistic work defaces the work and constitutes
>censorship...or certainly a form of censorship.

  Gerald Olchowy seems to think that if he keeps repeating the 
  "labels = censorship" mantra it will become true.  

  Labels don't deface the work unless they appear in/on the work
  itself.   If little voice-overs appeared in the music of a CD 
  saying "this is a dirty word" or if the letter "R" appeared 
  on the movie screen every time a nipple was bared THEN we're
  talking defacement.   But a plastic sticker warning about 
  strong language, etc, next to the plastic sticker with the 
  price on it is not an instance of this (or does Mr. Olchowy
  regard price stickers, or even prices themselves -- after all
  that might discourage sales, to be "censorship"?)


>Their reviews aren't attached to the movie...there is nothing wrong
>with reviewing artistic works as long as the reviews are not forced
>upon the artistic work. 

   LOTS of records, books, and movies have reviews plastered all over
   them for promotional purposes.  


---peter


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From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: speed, police, crime, hell
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:50:50 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep15.165421.4201@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

> Theodore A. Kaldis:

> (BTW, rarely does anyone in the U.S. run red lights.)

> As usual, this is KaldisShit (tm).  Ever been to New York City, Ted?

Yes, many times -- though I try to avoid it if there's any way.  (I
_DESPISE_ New York city.)

> At least three extra cars go through every red light after it changes.

New York is exactly the opposite of California, where the prevailing
custom is: if you can possibly stop, you stop.  If you try to slide
through on yellow and a cop sees you, you'll probably get a ticket.

Moreover, I have seen someone in New York city (a van, obviously a
messenger, presumably one that gets paid by the trip) run a red light
_RIGHT_IN_FRONT_OF_A_COP_ (in a patrol car, not on foot).  The cop did
nothing.

> Furthermore, everyone jaywalks.

Not in L.A.  If you get caught on a main drag, you'll get written up.
On a residential street (as I understand the custom), if there's a car
coming who has to slow down on account of you, you'll probably get
written up.  If there's no one coming, no problem.
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believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa,alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,alt.society.revolution
From: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,soc.motss,ba.motss
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 15 Sep 1992 01:20:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bendenweyr

In article <_7wnvxr.phil@netcom.com>, phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
|> I have seen enough homosexuals employed in high-paying Silicon Valley
|> jobs to believe that the issue is NOT discrimination.

Yes.  There do exist openly homosexual employees in high-paying Silicon
Valley jobs.  Why does that lead you to believe that the issue is not
discrimination.

You have the causality reversed here.

I am out because of the open and stable environment in which I work.
It is *not* true that I am working in a successful environment because
I am openly homosexual.

The environment here helps to promote the atmosphere that makes it easy
to come out of the closet.  But, I have worked at companies where the
environment was far less open.  True, once I made it to this company
I was free to come out at the workplace, but I doubt that I would have
made it here had I come out earlier in my career.  And now that I am
here, I can use my voice to help some of my brothers out of the living
hell in which they live.

Would you say to a Jewish man who had escaped from Nazi Germany, "Why
should we do anything about the Germans?  You are obviously free.  There
must be no more problem."

Believe me that for every person you see posting here on this newsgroup
there are thousands in the Bay Area that aren't posting here mostly because
they can't for fear of losing their jobs.  I know many of these people
and have had conversations with dozens, if not hundreds of them.  If you
talk to them about being out on the job, they look at you like you
are crazy.  I doubt that these people would ever expose themselves`
to you because frankly you appear almost as dangerous as Helms and
company.  So, I could understand that you might think that these
voices here are representative of "homosexuals in California", but they
are not.

				...jim
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