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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: juggling 5
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:25:05 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

>In article <1992Nov6.105728.6661@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>  
>int281x@mdw026.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr S. Fox) writes:
>> 
>> Also,  how many people can actually juggle 5 ?  Does juggling 5 put one
>> in an elite class or is it assumed of someone who claims to be a juggler?

From what I saw at BJC5 in Coventry, about 2% of jugglers can do 5 well 
enough to risk it in public.

Clubs: 3:novitiate 4:adept 5:master 6:grandmaster 7:god(spelt Gatto)
Your mileage may vary

anybody else want to suggest silly names?

  From the UK phone book Yellow Pages:  BORING - see Civil Engineers   

  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
  D.Budd@mcc.ac.uk                                          fax 6040
From: nextug@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: New IJA Secretary/Treasurer
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:43:03 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller) writes:

> In article <5oZcuB6w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, perry@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (perry) writes...    
>> Just to clarify the numerous questions I have received regarding
>> yesterdays posting, ALL MAIL FOR THE IJA IS TO GO TO RICHARD DINGMAN,

> Really???  What happened to Dan Bennett???

As far as I know nothing at all has happened to *Dan* Bennett who is a fine
juggler and lives in Van Nuys, California. However *Tom* Bennett from Akron, Ohio who was the Secretary/Treasurer of the IJA has stepped down from the 
position.

Christopher Majka
From: duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Book on Juggling
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:59:01 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland


	This morning I was trying one of the new library catalogue
services available on the net.  I was connected to the University of
Toronto Library, entering various subject searches to try it out.  Out
of the "jugglers and juggling" category came a book of interest to a
select few.  Perhaps someone able to read it will either summarize it
(perhaps for _Jugglers World_) or consider a translation.  Below is the
information:

	CALL NUMBER:  GV J373 1885
	AUTHOR:  Jawbari, 'Abd al-Rahman ign 'Umar, fl. 1216-1222
	GENERIC TITLE:  al-Mukhtar fi kashf al-asrar
	TITLE:  Kitab al-mukhtar fi kashf al-asrar / li-Zayn al-Din 'Abd
al-Rahim ibn 'Umar al-Dimashqi al-ma'ruf bi-alJawbari.

	PUBLICATION:  [Dimashq : s.n., 1302, 1885
	DESCRIPTION:  161 P.
	NOTES:  Microfilm (negative).  Chiucago, University fo Chicago.
Joseph Regenstein Library, Photoduplication department.

	Enjoy.
                                                      
Duane Starcher             *             a                  a      
Memorial University        S           n                n  
St. John's, Newfoundland   T               d                 d
Canada                     E         a               a   
                           R           _  _a           _   _a
                           E           0 /             0  /  
(duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca)  O        C_/@           C_/ @ 
                           *           |               |
                                 O   _/ \_        O  _/ \_
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From: ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens)
Subject: Re: Music
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:34:09 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

In article <19NOV199213593622@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>  
femanrs@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS) writes:
> With all of the discussion about M. Menes and the Gizmo Guys use of the 
> Root Beer Rag by Billy Joel going on, What other songs do you folks 
> recommend using to juggle to in a show?

My personal favorite is "Butterfly Dance" by Yanni Optimystic.  I did a routine  
to it at the Rollafest.

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro
From: rob@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Record Breakers
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:47:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

dave budd (zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk) wrote:
: Record Breakers is a UK TV show featuring succesful attempts to enter the 
: Guinness Book of World Records (I guess failed attempts get left on the 
: cutting room floor).  A friend of my wife tells me they recently had 
: somebody on doing 9 clubs.  Can anybody confirm?  Who was it?  Was it Gatto, 
: and if not, what has he got to say about it?


Its amazing the number of people who have told me about this and yet didnt
think to video it for me  My understanding is that is was young Gatto
doing endurance 7 clubs (2 mins) and 9 balls.  However I didnt see it so I
cant confirm the times he did.  anyone with more info out there, or
a recording or access to one ?  Could write to points of view!!!

Rob.

................................................................................
 Rob Stone, Dept of Psychology, University of York, YORK. YO1 5DD.  UK.
         rob@minster.york.ac.uk      Phone/Fax   +44 904 433160
         "I love lard;  Hands up if you like lard"  Emerson Lake 
................................................................................
From: dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Showering 3, 4, and more ...
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:07:02 GMT
Organization: Stats Pure & Applied Maths, Uni of Adelaide, Australia

Hi again,
  I just read an article about showering, something I spend quite
a bit of time doing (not as much as on 5 cascade though :-| ).
It's funny, but I always thought you _shouldn't_ directly pass
the ball from one hand to the other - ie I always throw the ball,
and in the 3 shower, you can vary the hands from very close 
together, to about 80 cm apart (about 30 inches) (or more on a good day :).

  For the 4 shower - I still can't do 3 in one hand for more than
10 throws or so, yet I can do 100 throws of the 
4 shower with right-hand throws high, and about 60 with
left-hand throws high. In other words, site-swap doesn't describe
_everything_ about juggling, and a much better trick for working
on the 4 shower, is to first work on speeding up and lowering your
3 shower (eg I go down to a circle about 30 cm diameter or less),
then 'flash' the 3 balls - ie throw them at the same speed, but high.

  Also, don't get hung up on the '7' in '7 1' site-swap for the 
4 shower - just do it ! I can comfortably do a 4 shower
(asynchronous) standing in my bedroom, with a (roughly) 3 metre 
ceiling, and I can take it quite a bit lower. It's certainly
possible to do the 4 shower synchronously, although I only tried
it recently - and you can go even lower still that way. It may
be the only way I'll do the 5 shower standing up in my room :-)
  I can sometimes get about 20 throws of the 5 shower kneeling
down - I agree with the file on moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu about
showering in that the 5 shower will take much longer than 5 cascade
to get reasonably long rus.
(I can do up to 50-60 with 5 cascade, although I've had one run
of 100, and a couple of 70).

Just my $0.02 (added to the 0.05 from what I just posted on club
juggling. I'll be broke soon at this rate :-)

-- 
David T Cook   e-mail: dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au   Phone: +61 8 228 5709
Assistant Computer Manager, Stats, Pure and Applied Maths, Adelaide Uni.
"Behind the lines, a face that glimmers. Still looking for a face that shines."
       - Heartland, The Sisters of Mercy
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: Record Breakers
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:19:45 GMT

In article <721910852.4171@minster.york.ac.uk> rob@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>dave budd (zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk) wrote:

>Its amazing the number of people who have told me about this and yet didnt
>think to video it for me  My understanding is that is was young Gatto
>doing endurance 7 clubs (2 mins) and 9 balls.  

Sounds reasonable.  I seem to remember that Anthony said that he had
sent a video of himself doing 9 balls for 200+ catches off somewhere,
which seems to fit with your recollection.  Likewise, 7 clubs for 2
minutes sounds about right.  I second the request for a video if one
can be found (and coverted to American format).

>Rob.

C Frog (who can do 7 clubs for 5 catches and is damn proud of it)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen)
Subject: Questions for the BOD take 2
Organization: Florida State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 01:17:24 GMT

I'm reposting this message as I have recieved a few messages saying that this
post got garbled the first time.  Lets try it again.  If this dosen't work,
please E-mail me.    

Dear Perry,
	I'm glad that a member of the IJA BOD is on internet.
Perhaps you can give us some stat's that were left hanging at 
nationals. (i.e.. questions of mine that no-one could answer)
 
1. Has the life member fund been repaid?  if not what plans 
are there to do so?
 
2. Has a separate life member fund been established?
 
3. Are we still losing $6 per IJA member (is this figure 
correct? its been a while) .  When I was told how the IJA 
intended to recoup this loss, it was by getting more members?  
Is the loss liner per member or if we get more will the loss 
be reversed?  How many new members do we need to attain a 
profit margin again?
 
4. How much was made by Nationals in Montreal? (both gross 
and net)
 
5. What are the bottom line assets of the IJA currently?
 
6. Has the constitution been amended to reflect the reduction 
of the board members? and was it amended before the elections 
this summer?  if not does the smaller member board legally 
have the power to a) exist? or b) amend the constitution?
 
 
-GReg Cohen
gcohen@mailer.acns.fsu.edu
 
 
 
P.S. Can you upload to me the minutes of the last few BOD 
meetings?


Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: dsmith@mamba.cs.unm.edu (Derek Smith)
Subject: Wanted: 6 used renegades or europeans
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of New Mexico
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:27:14 GMT

Wanted: 6 used renegades or europeans (or two people with 3 each)

derek

Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: kellogg@teal.csn.org (Patrick Kellogg)
Subject: Juggling with a net
Summary: learning numbers
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:14:20 GMT

Hello,
     I remember reading in a book (though I can't remember which book) about
a Silicon Valley big shot who had a net attached to the roof of his office.
When asked what it was for, he would pull it down and slip his head and
shoulders inside a hole cut in the net. This way, he could practice numbers
and have the balls come back to him. It sounded like a great idea...
You could get a used parachute (watch out, 'cause I think they are flammable)
tack it to your ceiling, and cut a hole for your head and upper torso. 
Shoulder straps could make the fabric "tent" near your body so it would be
easier to retrieve lost balls (are you with me?) Maybe you could even make
it so balls would roll around from behind your back to your front.

Has anyone tried this? Mail or post, 'cause I need this for learning.
I lost all my Zen balls while being a movie extra (the "Killer Angels", a
Civil War movie out next summer on cable, look for me juggling in the
background of a campfire sequence) Does anyone have the address for Zen
balls, how much, and if I can get a discount. I relly admire the woman
who make/sells them. They are squishy beanbag like dodecahedrons, filled
with birdseed so they are environmentally cool. Highly recommended, and
check out the cool fabric and colors! But I dont' have the address.
 Thanks
From: robd@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: I need help with juggling 4 or more
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:09:46 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

One way to learn to do 4 is as follows.
The simplest 4 ball pattern is where none of the balls cross over. 
So.. practice 2 balls in one hand. Right hand, balls go clockwise i.e.
inside throw, outside catch. Left hand - anticlockwise.
Stand infront of a wall. Throw the balls so they stay the same distance from the wall. 
Once you can smoothly do this with either hand, try all four at once.
The key is that the throws are alternate left,right,left,right...
and equally spaced in time.

Hope that helps.

Once you can do 4 try 5!!!!!!


Rob Davis.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: jsanders@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (John Eric Sanders)
Subject: Re: Challenge to Everyone (physics)
Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:44:08 GMT

A while ago someone posted that they learned how to juggle using
data gloves and virtual reality goggles, starting at an easy 
gravity and working up to normal.  After taking them off he
could still juggle fairly well.

Does anyone else remember this, or who posted it?

-- 
 The Jester (John E. Sanders)       jsanders@symcom.math.uiuc.edu       
 I have finally discovered the method to my madness.  Unfortunately,    
 there is more madness to my method than method to my madness.          
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: Re: music?
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:27:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.184309.2601@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
|>  Does anyone know what the music that's used on the routines by Michael Menes
|> on the '89 video (the ball section of his routine, that is, rather than the
|> rings bit), and the Gizmo Guys on the '88 video, is? It's some short
|> piece for the piano, and it seems /ideal/ for juggling to.. <grin>
|> 
|>  Thanks.
|> -- 
|> Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
|> m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
|> Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND

Honest - I swear to God - I read this post and, before going on to any
others, I said to myself: "I didn't see either video but I'll bet
Root Beer Rag by Billy Joel would be GREAT to juggle to - I wonder if
that's the one he meant".  Then I read the follow-up and found out I
had guessed correctly!  By the way, it's on the "Turnstiles" album as I
recall.


Honest!

yraG
"Devoted Billy Joel, James Taylor and Paul Simon fan"
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: femanrs@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (BRUCE MANNERS)
Subject: Music
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 19 Nov 1992 13:59 EST  

With all of the discussion about M. Menes and the Gizmo Guys use of the 
Root Beer Rag by Billy Joel going on, What other songs do you folks 
recommend using to juggle to in a show?

If you identify a song that you feel may be more appropriate to a specific 
prop then please identify it.  Also try to name the artist.

Well folks, what songs do you think are good for juggling?

Bruce

**************************************************************************

Bruce Manners                                          Juglito, ergo sum

**************************************************************************
From: efrie@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Dynamics of Juggling
Summary: cascade and shower height for b balls are 4 X's different
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:54:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov18.005450.4150
Expires: 01/01/93
Organization: Washington State University!

Hello,
	I was asking about throw height for numbers.  I
	compared shower height to that of cascade.  With the
	assumption (suggested by Jack Boyce  a while back)
	that your dwell time is such that you release a ball
	just as one lands in the other hand.  I have calculated
	the height for the two patterns.

Height_cascade = ((b-1)/tr)^2  [feet]
Height_shower  = 4*((b-1)/tr)^2 [feet]

where:
o tr = throw rate [thows per second]
o b = number of balls being juggled
o I am assuming g = 32 ft/s/s because strangly enough the
  numbers work better using U.S. Customary Units for this.
o I am also asuming that the launch and land elevations are
  equivalent. 

	I find that my maximum controllable throw rate is 3 throws per second,
	based on my 4 foot high 71 (that is doing it standing
	in a 8 foot ceiling room and just squeezing it in = 4 feet)
	so for example:

tr=3 thows per second
b=5 balls

Height_cascade = ((5-1)/3)^2  [feet] = 1.78 feet (*) ss = 5
Height_shower  = 4*((5-1)/3)^2 [feet]= 7.11 feet     ss = 91

	So no wonder I can't shower 5 in my appartment :)
	I think this (*) sounds about right because my tightest
	5 ball cascade is about that high.
	Also, from the above, a 51 is the same height as a 5
	or a 71 a 7.

	I guess if ceilings weren't so low there would be
	more numbers jugglers out there :^}. 

-Eddie Frie WSU Juggling Club
From: perry@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (perry)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: IJA Secretary/Treasurer
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:08:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: sys6626.5oZcuB6w165w
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
Comments: useless sack of protoplasm

Just to clarify the numerous questions I have received regarding 
yesterdays posting, ALL MAIL FOR THE IJA IS TO GO TO RICHARD DINGMAN,
P.O.BOX 218, MONTAGUE MA 01351  Phone 1 413 367-9398.

This includes membership information, video orders, Los Vegas 
registrations etc.
Hope this helps. 
Perry Rubenfeld
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: perry@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (perry)
Subject: IJA Secretary/Treasurer
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 08:49:13 CST
Comments: CHAIRMAN IJA

Tom Bennett left the job of Secretary Treasurer due to the time involved 
and personal reasons.  The 2 jobs require a significant time commitment 
and holding down full time work plus the combined Secretary/treasurers 
position and family commitments is not realistic.  Hope this answers your 
questions.

Richard Dingman is working only for the IJA so time commitments for a 
second job are not a factor.

Perry Rubenfeld
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: Drew Anderson <PSDAA@lsuvm.BITNET>
Subject:      Louisiana jugglers
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 92 16:23:15 CST

Is anyone out there either a juggler in Louisiana or know someone who is?
I came to LSU in Baton Rouge for grad school a year ago but still no luck
in finding anyone to juggle with.
-psdaa@lsuvm.lsu.sncc.lsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: LEWBEL@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Subject: juggling dynamics, new clubs
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:50 EDT
X-Vms-To: IN%"juggling@moocow.cogsci.indiana.edu"


Peter J. Beek's Ph'D thesis at Vrije University in Amsterdam, 1989, is 
entitled, "juggling dynamics" Large sections of it are devoted to the 
linkages between biological processes (hands, essentially) and the physical
constraints of juggling (timing, gravity, etc.,.)

I've just gotten my hands on Todd Smith's latest clubs. They're called 
"duolies" (sp?). They're like Satellite clubs, but a bit heavier, they have
a larger round rubber knob, and have a really flashy (but sturdy looking)
two tone (hence the duo in duolies) vertical design in blue and silver.
Check them out! Todd's still offering 25% off retail price of any product
(except silicone balls) to folks on the net. He's at 76450.245@compuserve.com

Arthur Lewbel   Lewbel@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: IJA fest loaction in '94?
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:35:43 GMT


   Has the location for the 1994 IJA convention/festival been decided
yet? If not, what are he competing locales?
From: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: juggling 5
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:55:12 GMT
Reply-To: Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer)

In article <1992Nov6.105728.6661@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>  
int281x@mdw026.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr S. Fox) writes:
> 
> I've been working on 5 juggling five balls for some time now.  I'm at the         
> stage where I can do about 9 or ten throws and then it's all over.  The
> problem is that I've been at this stage for quite some time and don't
> seem to be progressing in a hurry.

I stayed at that state for more than four years.  Of course, during that time I  
did not practice regularly.

> Can anyone who knows how to juggle
> 5 please tell me about how they learnt and problems encountered and how
> to solve these problems.

For me, I believe it was two things that helped.  First, I started practicing  
regularly.  About a half an hour a day.  Second, I paid heed to the advice of a  
friend of mine.  Start attempting seven.  It firms up your five really fast.

> Also,  how many people can actually juggle 5 ?  Does juggling 5 put one
> in an elite class or is it assumed of someone who claims to be a juggler?

You wish to be a snob of the juggling world?  I never really considered the  
question, but from what I've seen of jugglers, you have to be relatively  
dedicated to learn five (except for a few exceptionally dexterous people).

> Also,  what's the general opinion of tennis balls for juggling 5 ?  Juggling
> balls aren't that cheap !

Yuck.  Get some real balls of uniform weight, or better yet, bags are easier to  
hold a bunch in your hand.  Just make sure the weight is uniform.  Actually, if  
you're really that poor, use modified tennis balls (either cut them open and  
fill then with your filling of choice or inject them with water).  Again, make  
sure the weight is the same.

Also, you might want to download the compiled tips from the ftp site.

--
                             E-Mail (NeXTmail accepted): Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com
                    "Character is what you are in the dark." -Buckaroo Banzai
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men." -Willy Wonka
From: ee89rfp@brunel.ac.uk (Robert F Partridge)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Getting going
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:07:13 GMT
Distribution: rec.juggling
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

Hello
Thought I would post one of the ways I use to learn new vastly more difficult
tricks! Other than just trying it, how about slowing the whole thing down?

If you use round balls (bags don't roll well enough) you can get used to the
look of a trick and what your hands should be doing by rolling balls on
an inclined board. Of course the board must be big enough so that the balls
don't roll off the edges. By changing the angle of the board you can change the
speed of the trick. As you get better, the board gets more vertical, until you
can do it without the help of the wood.

I used it to get the feel of juggling a neat 5 ball cascade before learning it.
It kind of teaches you when to throw to avoid collisions.

I generally kneel with one edge of the board in my lap and the other against a
wall. I've never heard of anyone else using this method so I guess I'm the 
only one fruity enough to try it!

Try it and see!

Robert.
From: dtorok@nynexst.com (David Torok)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Xjuggle ftp?
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:43:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: nynexst.1992Nov16.164336.26806
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.

Could someone point me to an FTP site for the Xjuggle program (for a Sun
Sparc) that was mentioned some time back? I cannot find the copy that I
had a number of months back!

Thanks,
-=$>Dave<$=-

-- 
David Torok, NYNEX Science & Technology, 914-644-2378 Fax: 914-644-2404
500 Westchester Ave, White Plains, NY 10604  "torok@nynexst.com"  Juggle!