From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Islamic vs Secular Societies (Re: Civilization bandwagon)
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:43:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.035722.5502@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au  writes:
>In article <BzM58M.tr@newsflash.concordia.ca>, ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>|> 
>In an Islamic government, a Non-Muslim cannot even dream of having a poitical
>career. God made vines and grapes, wine is only natural. The fact that Arabia

That is not my type of Islamic government.

>did not have grapes to make wine is not the fault of the Non-Muslims. Besides
>wine is good for humans; medically. Interest now kills people, I wonder when
>that bandit interest will be arrested and cast into hell.

Sorry but wine was the dominant drink in preIslamic Arabia. Islam does not
only forbid wine it forbids all intoxicants and harmful products.
That includes drugs, liquor, and Tobacco. Medical necessities are exceptions,
Interest is responsible for many economic mischiefs that caused many
killings, many third world countries (I know that Tunisia was) were
colonized through interest: of course the main blame is on the corrupt rulers 
but they were so indebted that their creditors came in and took over the
country. Did you read the Merchant of venize? Forget that the bad guy was a
jew, but that is basically what interest does, it caused wars in the past 
and it might cause more wars in the future.

>It is not worth commenting here, you do not get the point.
What is your point?
>
>|> 
>You could have said: Canada is a secular state that permits me to do what I
>desire. Canada allows you to pursue happiness as you see fit, isn't it beutiful.
That is not true, the reason is not the secular nature of Canada.

>You want an Islamic state, and you prefer a secular system. Thank you for
>evading the real answer. Case close.

Wrong, I prefer Canada to Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria and other
sorry places because they are worse than Canada. The System that I want is 
better than the secular/materialistic/capitalist system.
I will tell you now what I do not like about Canada or the U.S:
-I do not like the fact the my wife cannot walk alone in the street, (in the
U.S cities neither can I!) I do not like the fact that I have to watch all the
time for my daughters and litterally walk them to the door of the bus (many
girls were assaulted in this area), I do not like to see naked women in the
metro whether in pictures or in real life, I do not want my children to see
sexual scenes that are sometimes in public display, I am always afraid of being 
run over by a drunk driver, and many other things that I cannot remember
right now.
despite all of that, this country might have a system that is closer to
Islam than Saudi Arabia's, while the people of course are much farther from it.

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