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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Martial Arts Movies
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:00:15 GMT

In article <KRYSTEK.92Sep8093654@alcor.bms.com> krystek@alcor.bms.com (Stanley Krystek) writes:
>
>Just saw a Van Damne movie, Double Impact.  He plays two brothers separated
>when the were a year old.  One grows up in the USA in California and the other
>on the streets in Hong Kong.  All in all I liked the movie.  And I still think
>he has a great  stretch, I just wonder can he really fight.....
>
>Anyone know if Van Damne holds a rank in any style (I am sure some style) and
>if he ever competed?

I have an interview with him in a Black Belt magazine where he claims
to have won a fairly major kickboxing tournament under a different name in 
Europe.  Apparently he changed his name for movies.  Personally I am 
skeptical.  

>thanks
>stan


-- 
Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths
From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Attitudes (wasRe- Silent or
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:46:21 GMT
Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <MHIRSCH.92Sep10113435@dynastar.princeton.edu> 
   mhirsch@dynastar.princeton.edu writes:
>Have you ever seen the video of Morehei Ueshiba (O'Sensei, to
>aikidoka) from around 1935 or so?  It's an early sound film.
>
>At one point about 6 students grab him and push (or hold, or
>something)  He stands their, then emits a really bizarre kiai that
>sounds a little like an eagle but weirder, and they all fall down.
>Whatever motion O'Sensei makes is very small.
>
>"Spooky" is a fairly accurate description of his cry.
>--

Considering it was a film made in the 1930s, the sound quality would
hardly be up to current standards. I'm sure it hardly does the kiai
justice, much less render an accurate portrayal of the actual sounds.
But still, it appears to be a rare and valuable event captured on film.

Richard Travsky
Division of Information Technology     RTRAVSKY @ CORRAL.UWYO.EDU
University of Wyoming                  (307) 766 - 3663 / 3668
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: rschoen@laborixsai.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen)
Subject: Re: groundfighting
Reply-To: rschoen@laborixsai.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen)
Organization: University of Ulm, SAI, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 13:17:02 GMT

In article <3659@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
|> 
  [....]
|> 	It *IS* possible for a small person to keep a much larger
|> and more skillful person at bay by going to the ground and using his
|> legs to attack the standing person's legs.  But a smart attacker will
|> move to the side, cover up, redirect/block the kick and then smother the
|> one on the ground.  Or even sit down and advance legs first!

Or try to jump onto the defender. This actually happened to me:
that guy was not able to get past my feet, so he decided to jump
over them, and I suddenly saw a pair of feet descending towards
me (funny how slow time passes in such moments). I struggled
desperatedly and managed to sweep/kick his legs away in midair,
giving him an excellent opportunity to practice breakfalls  ;-)
Anyway, I have no intent to be in this situation again, and I
recommend strongly not to go to the ground if you can avoid it.
The leg defense becomes rather difficult, anyway, if there is
more than one attacker (BTW, this is a nice dojo game!).

Reinhard
From: trose@next.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:33:59 GMT
Reply-To: trose@next.com

In article <715302097snx@ietech.demon.co.uk> nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk  
("Nigel G. Backhurst") writes:
> Sorry but using a gun against a machete seems a bit of an
> overkill.


Nigel,

As I have family that depends on me, I would have no quams
about using a gun on a machete wielding assailant.  I have
an obligation that this person would keep me from fulfilling.
I belive that I have the skills to efectively defend myself
but I would not put myself at that risk if I had a pistol
handy.   Why would anyone put themselves at a disadvantage
in a life/disability threatening situation when there was
an alternative?   Martial arts teaches us, among other things,
to use what weapons we have available.  Sometimes it is only 
our bodies but othertimes ........

trose@next.com
From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Model Mugging (long)
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:58:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

In article <1992Sep11.205650.26557@morrow.stanford.edu> CA.FER@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jennifer Gates) writes:
>
>There are intermediate and advanced classes that adress armed and
>multiple assailants. The single unarmed assailant is adressed in the
>begining class as he accounts for more than 80% of assaults on
>women.

You know, I haven't got a bastard clue as to whether these Model Mugging
people are for real or not, but I was favorably impressed to find that
they specified their goal right away -- a single, unarmed assailant.

They got points for that from me, anyway.

I think some of you people (not Jennifer, of course) are being just
a trifle unfair.  Would it help to state the goal a little more precisely:
"A single unarmed assailant who is not a professional kickboxer, one
of Lovret's deshi, an all-in wrestler, an NFL lineman, one of the
Gracie brothers..."

-- 
Peter Hahn           |hahn@network.com|"...Ch'en worked in a drugstore on the
7600 Boone Ave. N    |+1 612 424-4888 |second story...and at noon each day he
Brooklyn Park, MN USA|                |would leave for lunch in an eccentric
55428                |                |way: he would stroll out the window..."
From: toman@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Joseph Toman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: What happens when you cross styles?
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:09:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Sep11.070914.11503
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Science

In article <3641@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.180233.11590@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>>skill in either your old or new style will initially suffer for a while,
>
>
>	I switched to aikido after many years of judo training, and noticed
>that what I've learned in aikido has immediately improved my judo, but what
>I know about judo consistently gets in my way when I practice aikido.  

Really ? I only studied judo for a couple years while in high school, but 
I've found what I learned there 1) ingrained in my memory 2) very useful
in aikido. For instance, ukemi waza . Most every fall in judo is a
sutemi fall of some kind, it's no big deal. But to hear most beginning
aikidoka tell it, these are very difficult falls to take. Or the various
hip throws from judo. Koshi-nage is an "advanced technique" in aikido:
no biggy. General movement and posture things seem to be the same.
What gets in your way when you practice ?

						J. Toman
 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Boxing and Kicks
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 01:09:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.195514.27935@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>I can easily believe that the 
>local amateur boxers are in trouble against a good kicker who can keep them at 
>range, but that doesn't establish that kicking as a tactic can reliably keep a 
>good boxer at range.  Amateur boxers may use contact, but they are still
>by definition, 'point fighters' !  There is no real advantage to being a 
>knockout specialist in amateur boxing, and being able to knock someone out 
>quickly is one of the critical skills in the 'art' of boxing when it is
>applied as a martial art.  
>
>Pros and amateurs simply aren't playing the same game !

Tell me about it!  But we're comparing local m.a. fighters to local
boxers.  If the locals can stop their friendly neighborhood boxers
with kicks, the big boys in m.a. will probably do similarly against
the big boys in boxing.  I think Stephen and Peter would be the first
to admit that Tyson could take them, but that's not the point.

>But it would be a sobering 
>experience for those that think the experienced pugs would wilt or
>become ineffective and be held easily at long range just because 
>someone throws some kicks at them.   ANd hitting someone with a kick is very
>different from knocking them out with it.  Just because some armchair theory 
>says that they shouldn't want to walk into a kick, or that a well placed kick 
>should knock most people out.  A pro fighter is where he is partly because
>he is someone who doesn't go down easily.

Boxers are still mortals.  They'll go down if you hit them hard
enough.

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: scollins@wpi.WPI.EDU (Suppasak Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Savate and Muay Thai kicking principles (was Boxing and Kicks)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 13:31:19 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Sep10.210108.29020@ns.network.com> hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.193442.20194@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com
>(Todd I. Stark) mistakes me for someone knowledgeable:
>
>>
>>In article <1992Sep10.184100.27829@ns.network.com>, hahn@plugh.network.com 
>>(Peter Hahn) writes...
>>
>>>Possibly -- this seems to be the case with Kyokushinkai and its
>>>offshoots.  On the other hand, not necessarily: consider Savate, or PKA
>>>style kickboxing.  Neither style is terribly similar to Muay Thai.  And
>>>Savate, like Muay Thai, even allows leg kicks.
>>> 
>>
>>Peter (or others knowledgable in these two arts) :
>>
>>	Would you please describe the difference in approach for me ?
>
>Well, I'm not knowledgable, but that's never stopped me from running
>my mouth...
>
>The commonly given analogy is that a Muay Thai kick is like a blow with a
>baseball bat, and a Savate kick is like a blow with a ball-peen hammer.
>
>Muay Thai really only has two kicks.  One is what's called a foot jab --
>done like a front kick, but used more to position one's opponent -- sort
>of as a push.  The other kick -- this is the one that people usually
>are talking about -- is a round kick, almost always thrown off the
>rear leg, and done with one's body weight fully committed.  I.e., if
>you miss, you end up spinning a 360.  The leg is kept more or less
>straight throughout.  It most definitely is not a snap kick  (it is
>said that Thai trainers have a habit of knocking out people who throw
>snap kicks during a pad drill).  One makes contact with one's shin,
>BTW.  Typically, the kick is thrown to "uke's" legs, ribs, or head.
>
>OK, so that's Muay Thai -- you're throwing haymakers, all the time.

Actually, the leg is bent as you begin to rotate your body to kick and
it snaps outward as you hit your target.  Contary to most belief, there
is a snap in a Thai roundhouse.  But it only snaps outward, there is no
snap backward, which makes a boxer hit through the target.

-Art
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: NEW MARTIAL ART FOR STREET NOT THE DOJO
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:05:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <4SEP199210011206@zeus.tamu.edu> khc2674@zeus.tamu.edu (Bruce as my Shepherd) writes:

>>NOW THERE IS A MARTIAL ART DESIGNED FOR THE STREET NOT THE DOJO
>>NOW THERE IS A MARTIAL ART DESIGNED FOR THE STREET NOT THE DOJO
>>This new Martail Art deals with the reality and finality of street confontations

>Ah,
>	You undoubtedly refer to The way of Smith & Wesson.

I've always refered to this art as "Ching Ching Pow" (E.g. the noises made
preparing and firing a pistol...)

By the way, this is one case where the history of a martial art is 
especially usefull to me: Many of the "famous" masters of my art,
Ba Gua, fought on the loosing side of the Boxer Rebelion. That gives
an interesting perspective on martial arts and modern weapons.

                                                  Frank Crary
                                                  CU Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Back Pain
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:36:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.124710.17946@srg.srg.af.mil> dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:

IN RESPONSE TO: 

>>I have been having some middle-back pains lately.  The actual pain is felt
>>in the lower back and it mainly feels like stress/fatigue pain (i.e. not
>>acute).  
>>What I want to know is could this be Judo related?  Does anyone have any 
>>experience with Judo and back pain?

DAVE SAYS:

>I found that the rolls used in Hapkido practice did wonders for my back,
>over a period of months.  Aikido rolls are also good - I had a low back
>injury that bothered me for a few years.

Hapkido and Aikido may include roll-outs, but Judo includes major
falls.  I'd say that Judo could be the cause of it.  My instructor
did Judo for about 15 years and utterly trashed his back and knees.
I've met other old Judoka that are this way, so I think it could be
a common problem with folks that work out really hard in sport Judo.

My only suggestion is to strengthen your stomach muscles as much as
possible.

Sorry I can't be more help.

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: jose@auvax1
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Upcoming Tournaments??
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:56:54 GMT
Organization: Adelphi University

Hello,
     My name is jose and i am a practioner of U.S.A. Goju Karate in New York.
I have not been to a tournament in about a year and would like to enter one
soon.  I would like any one to send me information about any upcoming
tournaments in the Tri-state area (NY, NJ, MA, PA, CT even Virgina).  

	Please feel free to e-mail this information to me.


Thanks,
jose


******************************************************************************
				A Martial Artist is 
				Always
				Humble and Polte
				But Ferocious in Combat

******************************************************************************

 

jose
From: rwalton@tehmi.next.com (Robert Walton)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Self-defense v. MA -- Advice Sought
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:46:20 GMT

I just discovered rec.martial-arts today and thought I'd seek some help,  
hoping my inquiry isn't in a FAQ somewhere.

When I was in college I had time.  I flirted with both Karate and Aikido,  
but never kept to either (alas).  I worked out in the gym.  I did some  
intramural boxing until I got smart -- "duh, hit my head again, harder"  
8^).

It's 1992. I have a family, a career. I'm older.  I often work 60+ hour  
weeks and have an erratic schedule.  Being honest with myself, I don't  
have a lot of spare time to devote to training, given other demands.  What  
I do have is an obligation to protect my family and myself should the need  
arise and no other option (running, a firearm, the police, etc...) is  
available.  IS there a MA option for someone in my position?  Which, if  
any, martial art (in the broadest sense of the term) or self-defense  
regimen will prepare someone faster and more effectively for a possible  
encounter of the violent kind?

To make it even more difficult, what's available in San Mateo county, CA,  
north of Menlo Park and south of Burlingame, if anything?

There's undoubtedly bean a thread on this sort of thing before -- sorry I  
missed it.  Feel free to post or e-mail.  Thanks for any advice.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Model Mugging / Self defense
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 11:30:16 +0000



As I was flicking throught the TV channels the other day I caught the end
of an Oprah Winfrey Show about self defense. One of the guests was a
police trainer who I was very impressed with. He mentioned that he had a
book out with case studies of self defense situations. He talked about
the mental aspects of self defense etc. Did anyone see the show and if
you did can you tell me his name and what the book is called. I would like
to get my hands on it.


Bill Burgar.


Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: mh4e@resumix.portal.com (Michael Heiler)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: What happens when you cross styles?
Date: 10 Sep 92 07:13:58 GMT
Reply-To: mh4e@resumix.portal.com
Organization: Resumix, Inc., Santa Clara, CA

As a young teenager I studied one art for two years.
As a college student, I have studied four different
arts (not including weapons) from three different
schools (or clubs), mostly because of the availability
and quality of instruction. When I first start back,
in college, I was content to study the art I was taking
as a teenager. But schedule problems with classes and
space forced me to change to a different style. The 
second time I changed instructors, I was looking for
beter quality in the teaching. 

I really enjoyed taking all four (very different) styles
of MA, and (even though this may be an unpopular opinion)
all seemed fairly equally developed and effective. 

I guess what I'm really trying to say is, go for the 
beter instuctor.

Your development as a MA'ist is more highly dependent upon
your attitude, and the teaching ability of your sensei.

Of course all the above is IMHO.

- Mike
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: What happens when you cross styles?
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:06:39 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep10.180233.11590@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>skill in either your old or new style will initially suffer for a while,


	I switched to aikido after many years of judo training, and noticed
that what I've learned in aikido has immediately improved my judo, but what
I know about judo consistently gets in my way when I practice aikido.  
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: TKD info sources?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:59:50 GMT
Keywords: Newbie seeking wisdom, er.. reference material

I enrolled my 12-year-old son and myself in a local ATA TKD 
school last week, and we're having a ball, especially since
he's discovered it's something that's fun to do with the old
man (e.g., the part where he gets to throw me on the floor).
I'm especially pleased that he's starting to deal internally
with notions of honor, integrity, courtesy, respect, and
self-control.

The teaching method is direct, i.e., without any written
material, and even though we seem to be doing OK, I'd like
to acquire some references.  I bought a copy each of "Black Belt"
and "TaeKwonDo Times".  These served mostly to inform me of the
enormous number of TKD federations, unions, associations, etc.,
all of which apparently use differing methods/procedures, and
none of which seem to get along with each other.  Also ATA 
didn't show up even once in either magazine, even though it 
claims to be the largest such association in the US.   Maybe
it has its own magazine?  The kind of info I'm looking for
is background on Korean terms and do-jang customs, belt conventions
(like what is "recommended" vs. "decided"),  history of 
TKD in the USA, and whether or not I can get the ATA versions 
of those books that describe all the forms (song-ahms, one-step
sparring, etc.) as well as fundamental instruction on proper stance, 
use of hips, etc.

I've read and absorbed with enthusiasm all the articles appearing 
in rec.m-a during the last week or so, and I'm eager to dazzle my 
Sah-Bum-Nim with my knew-found wisdom.  I've got my Bag o' Frogs, 
my Sledgehammer, and with a little help, I'm sure I can learn to 
paralyze (pulverize?) the little suckers in fine form.

Since the help I'm requesting is probably common knowledge 
hereabouts, e-mail response is undoubtedly preferable.  Thanks 
for any help!

Chuck Rogers
car377@druhi.att.com

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: Kay Stanley
Subject: "Surviving Edged Weapons" video
Reply-To: kstanley@rhumba.oit.unc.edu
Organization: UNC OIT/Computing Systems
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:20:48 GMT

I want to order the video "Surviving Edged Weapons."  I believe it is available
from Calibre Press.  Does anyone have the address/phone number?

 Kay Stanley
kstanley@rhumba.oit.unc.edu
From: turnbull@ces.cwru.edu (John Turnbull)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Help!
Date: 12 Sep 1992 05:56:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
NNTP-Posting-Host: john.ces.cwru.edu

In article <18rvqfINNe4g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman) writes:
>
>	I am a first year student at CWRU university.  I am new
>to Cleveland, though what I have seen so far sure beats Detriot
>by a long shot.  I studied Isshin-Ryu and Ryukyu-No-Te before
>I came here; could anyone reply by E-mail (maf10@po.cwru.edu) and
>suggest some Cleveland schools for these styles?  
>
>                                          Moses

	Well, being a TKD man myself, (one of the instructors of the
campus club, so if you're interested let me know) I haven't heard of
any schools of those styles in the area. There is the "International
Karate Hall of Fame" here in Cleveland, and they may be able to help
you.

John


Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Internal Arts...
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:04:16 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <1992Sep12.180224.787@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.135555.1354@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>>i often hear t'ai chi, bagua and hsing-i (xingyi?) in the same sentence. 
>>is there a lot of similarity in these three arts?
>
>Essentially, the "internal" part of all three is almost identicle. The
>only difference is how these techniques are combined.

Frank's descriptions of the three arts were more accurate, IMO, than this
particular statement made just before the descriptions.  I've found the
internal aspects of hsing yi and t'ai chi to be quite different, although
they do have a some commonality.

Also, hsing yi isn't _all_ about going in straight lines -- an important
aspect is the ability to move so as to make your position strong and at the
same time make the opponent's position unfavorable.

Al
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: jlahti@pcuf.fi (Jarmo Lahti)
Subject: Re: Aikido Dojo Listings (FTP Archive)
Organization: PCUF
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:20:44 GMT

*>Sender: news@sdcc12.ucsd.edu
*>The aikido dojo lists (formerly maintained at iuvax.cs.indiana.edu)
*>are now at cs.ucsd.edu (132.239.51.3) via anonymous FTP in /pub/
*>aikido. There are currently 3 lists in compressed format:
---
Is there something like that about judo dojos ? 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: R3TLM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: ne ohio??
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 02:14:32 GMT

 
     Does anyone know of any ma instuctors in ne ohio who teach something
other than tkd/karate or tai chi?