From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Quayle on Values:  Where he stands and his background
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:16:26 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug11.221633.31141@watson.ibm.com>, john@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
> In article <21322@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>  
> |> "Against her will" _can_ be the same as "psychologically tricked".  That
> |> is, after all, what deceptive trade practices laws are all about.
> 
> Only in the Haugh Continuum where words have different meanings.  Have
> you bought that dictionary yet?
 
Yes.  "The Merriam-Webster Dictionary".  It was $3.95.  You should get
one.

A person who is deceived is not exercising their free-will.  That is what
free-will is all about.  If I lie to you and tell you that your house is
on fire and you must give me $500 to put it out (but I won't let you go
near your house because it is so dangerous), and you give me $500, you
might argue that you did it "of your own free-will".  That would be a
stupid argument - but one which the defense attorney would enjoy hearing
you make.  I suspect his client would go free.

> If you had actually read that study, you'd know that this applied to
> women who had had two or more abortions, and it included miscarriage, 
> premature delivery, and low birth weight babies in the 2 to 3 times
> greater risk figure.
 
And?  Are you claiming that a miscarriage isn't somehow a miscarriage?
Would you care to claim that a premature child delivered to a mother
who had two or more abortions is less likely to suffer the same ill
effects as one born to a mother who had never had an abortion?

> In the largest abortion study ever reported in the U.S., no deaths 
> occurred among 170,000 women who underwent outpatient first trimester 
> procedures in three clinics of Planned Parenthood of New York City 
> during a 16-year period.
 
I thought Planned Parenthood didn't run abortion clinics?

> The most common minor postabortion complication was a mild infection, 
> which was successfully treated at the abortion facility.  This 
> occurred among one in every 216 patients.
 
Which facility would that be?  The one that isn't run by Planned
Parenthood?

> After twelve weeks, this percentage increases to 22 percent.
 
Which of course, is a hell of a lot greater than 0.  Like I said, the
key word is "uncomplicated."

The great thing about reading everything that you write is that in one
posting you say that Planned Parenthood doesn't perform abortions.  In
another posting, you cite a number that puts Planned Parenthood's 3
NYC clinics at something like .7% of all abortions performed in the
entire United States.  I'm just glad they didn't have any more clinics
in NYC that aren't performing abortions ...
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