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From: feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Subject: Re: Sound Production of Early Albums?
Reply-To: a-feygin@uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:44:00 GMT

ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod) writes:
} feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
} >irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt) writes:
} >} [it's another one of THOSE rush fans...]
} >} Au contraire...the sound quality on Rush albums just keeps getting better.
} >} Moving Pictures was the first ADD album, and Power Windows the first DDD, 
} >} unless you're buying the LP or something the sound gets audibly cleaner on
} >} MP and the dynamics get a lot better on PW.  The improved technology allow
} >} the boyz to express themselves better and more musically, and isn't that
} >} what it's all about?
} >Just bought GUP on CD yesterday and was NOT impressed with the
} >sound quality.

} Alex, you suck.  Your ears are made of horse droppings.

Just for that you cant borrow it


-- 
  Alexander Feygin      "A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission"
 a-feygin@uiuc.edu                         -- Rush

   The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not CCSO
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Chronicles - the video collection
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:13:46 GMT
Distribution: alt

In <D40374W.92Aug21223810@kaira.hut.fi> d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen) writes:


>The big money. The bastards had shortened the song! I wonder if
>Mr. Big got its name after this video. A nice video. 

Nope, it's from an old classic rock song called "Mr. Big".  I forget the band
that wrote it though (not a classic rock fan, only progressive   0-} ).

>Time stand still. It could have been better. The boys jumping
>around all the time - not so nice. Was the woman Aimee Mann (I
>assume she was)? She's pretty, and she had a really nice hairdo;
>a ponytail and a "real" tail. She was almost unnaturally thin,
>though. The end of the video was very nice and humorous, but
>I would have preferred a serious video for such a serious song. 

It was okay, but I didn't like them floating around and all that.

>Overall - a bit above average. I paid 110 FIM for it, which is
>about US$26. I wonder how much this video costs in the States. 

About $26.   0-}


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From: jholtgra@afit.af.mil (Jeremy C. Holtgrave)
Subject: Re: Kid Gloves
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:39:49 GMT

>I was wondering what everyone out there thinks about "Kid Gloves" on p/g. I 
>don't believe that I've even seen the song mentioned here in months. Is it 
>crap not worth mentioning or sublime enough to not need any discussion.
>
>I'm just curious. Perhaps later I'll give my opinion of it.

The only song off that album I really can't get into.  While it has all
the parts, solid music and solid lyrics, I guess I just don't like the
way it sounds.  Like whatever that song is after "Time Stand Still",
"Open Secrets" I think.  

Aside:  I saw Rush twice on the RTB tour, once near the start in
Cincinnati and again near the end in Dayton, OH.  They'd swapped a few
songs, much to my delight.  Instead of "The Trees" they did "Vital
Signs" and instead of "The Pass" they did, you guessed it, "Kid Gloves"!

=====================jholtgra@scgraph.afit.af.mil==============================
Jeremy Holtgrave                          "Besides, we have more guns and bombs
Air Force Institute of Technology          than you."
Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio
===============================================================================
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Subject: Red Sector A and Distant Early Warning
From: gownder@husc9.harvard.edu (Joseph Gownder)
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:17:53 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Comments?

- J. P.
gownder@husc9.harvard.edu


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From: cfernand@cecux1.cec.uchile.cl 
Subject: Rush and death
Originator: cfernand@cecux1
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:42:12 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.rush
Organization: Centro de Computacion, Universidad de Chile

Hi guys!

Maybe it's time for a new thread.
I've been thinking lately (incredible!) about the strong feelings that the
most powerful Rush songs convey. Many of them are powerful images, like the
thrill of Red Barchetta, but I feel that the most thought provoking and moving
ones, like Time Stand Still, have in the background the concern of death. In
this song it is clear that nobody would worry much about time if it was not a
limited resource, and though death is not present in a direct manner, you can
feel it watching. (what a dark subject this is!)
Death is also present in Dreamline, directly (We're only immortal...) and
indirectly, IMHO, because the feelings it conveys are the ones you get when
you think of death in an active (japanese would say warrior-like) mood.
Anybody thought about it this way?

								          JJS

PS: Sorry for the dark article. I think my lunch was too heavy.
From: ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Sound Production of Early Albums?
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:23:45 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:

>irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt) writes:
>} [it's another one of THOSE rush fans...]
>} Au contraire...the sound quality on Rush albums just keeps getting better.
>} Moving Pictures was the first ADD album, and Power Windows the first DDD, so
>} unless you're buying the LP or something the sound gets audibly cleaner on
>} MP and the dynamics get a lot better on PW.  The improved technology allows
>} the boyz to express themselves better and more musically, and isn't that
>} what it's all about?

>Just bought GUP on CD yesterday and was NOT impressed with the
>sound quality.

>-- 
>  Alexander Feygin      "A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission"
> a-feygin@uiuc.edu                         -- Rush

>   The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not CCSO

Alex, you suck.  Your ears are made of horse droppings.
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From: mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx)
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:53:31 GMT

In <1SEP199217420231@sigma.tamu.edu> krm3611@sigma.tamu.edu (Ken McWatters) writes:

>   This has gotten me thinking of a new thread -- are there are other 
>moments that sound a lot better in the recorded version, or live version, for
>that matter?

Oh, yes...
1. "Fly By Night" sounds less apologetic on ATWAS -- louder guitars,
more screeeeeching vocals, and even feedback!

2. Finding My Way, In the Mood, basically anything from "Rush" sounds
*much* better on ATWAS.

3. same goes for 2112. More energy.

4. "Red Barchetta" is explosive on ESL.

Sorry I can't say the same for anything on ASOH. It's their one live
album I just don't like very much -- too sloppy. 

-- 
Matt Marx     mmarx@csli.stanford.edu           
So many newsgroups, so little time...

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Sound Production of Early Albums?
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:09:51 GMT

ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod) writes:

>feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:

>>Just bought GUP on CD yesterday and was NOT impressed with the
>>sound quality.

>Alex, you suck.  Your ears are made of horse droppings.

   It's true. When comparing the overall EQ of Rush albums, P/G sounds very
"Peaveyesque". The bass drum is humped too high and doesn't have any real sub
rumble. It sounds like Neil recorded the entire album with a 16" kick.
   The highs are also not "cyrstally" enough. The engineering of P/G sounds
more like a really expensive demo.

Muff
From: therese@crchh588.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Therese McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: ? bootlegs (was Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments)
Keywords: bootleg's
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:41:12 GMT
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Richardson, TX

How do people obtain bootlegs?  Are these recordings of concerts that people
illegally make (I thought you can't tape concerts with your own equipment).
Sorry, I guess I'm just not up with this stuff.



Thanks in advance,
Therese McCarthy  (therese@bnr.ca)
From: aru@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Sri Ramkrishna)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush & Ayn Rand - HELP PLEASE
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:40:27 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Sep02.163456.28486@bnr.ca> albertr@crchh780.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Albert Reva) writes:
>
>Great moments in Rush concert history.....
>	
>	Try listening to the 1981 Chicago Show.  The 2112 version is completely awesome!  (As a matter of fact the entire concert is awesome).  2112 studio version suddendly becomes 'dull'.

How does one get a copy of the Chicago show???

	sri
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From: stu5s33@bnr.ca (Robert Nychka)
Subject: Re: Rush & Ayn Rand - HELP PLEASE
Reply-To: stu5s33@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research Ltd
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:50:57 GMT


dsvoss@isr.harvard.edu (Steve Voss) writes...

>evidence.  Although Rand's "Anthem" and "2112" do have many
>similarities, consider the differences.  In "Anthem", the man finds
>technology; he is man the inventor.  His enemy is described as a bunch
>of sheep, cowering in fear from technology, from the power held by the
>minds of women and men.  On the other hand, the character in "2112"
>discovers a guitar, a musical instrument.  His enemy resides in a
>hall filled with computers, used to regulate the behavior of those
>not among the Priests of Syrinx.  They seem to fear the power held
>by the human spirit, as it could be expressed in music.  I think
>the two examples are qualitatively different.  What do you think?

Looks like similarities to me.

In _Anthem_, the basic struggle is the rational individual against an
irrational society.  The leaders in the 'world' she creates believe that
all people should work only for the good of society.  All sparks of
individualism or 'selfishness' were to be extinguished.  The influence
of a collective identity even caused the word 'I' to vanish from
language, being replaced by 'We'.  (Actually, the best part of the book
is when the main character rediscovers the word 'I')

The main similarity between _Anthem_ and _2112_ begins when the main 
character discovers electricity and the light generated by it and
presents his discovery to a body of collective 'scientists'.  It is not
the fear of technology that frightens these people, but the existance of 
the INDIVIDUAL curiosity that was needed to MAKE that discovery.  The 
same point is brought across in _2112_ when the fear comes NOT from the
discovery of the guitar, but from the ability to play it. 

It is the SAME issue.  Both characters presented their discovery to a 
group who feared them because of what that discovery represented.

              >The existance of a rational individual<

Robert Nychka.
From: d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen)
Subject: Re: Chronicles - the video collection
Organization: The rational midnight star
	<1992Aug22.045120.27552@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
Distribution: alt
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:00:03

In article <1992Aug22.045120.27552@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jmukher@lonestar.utsa.edu (Joy . Mukherjee) writes:

   >Overall - a bit above average. I paid 110 FIM for it, which is
   >about US$26. I wonder how much this video costs in the States.

   I got it for $16.95.

Wow. Well, this has been proven so many times before; Finland IS
the most expensive country in the world. 
--
Tero Valkonen
d40374w@kaira.hut.fi
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: krm3611@sigma.tamu.edu (Ken McWatters)
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:42:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.063636.3134@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes...
>wraty@dvorak.amd.com (Bill Raty) writes:
> 
>Great moments.....
> 
How about the drum break in Natural Science?  Well, when you're a drummer, 
the percussion moments do stand out in your mind...

I also love the odd time section near the end of Jacob's Ladder, as well as
the music right after "...in a distant overture."  It's interesting that this
section on ESL sounds a lot weaker than on PeW... I guess the guitar overdubs
got a mix that was just right.  I remember the first time I ever heard this 
song (a radio station was playing PeW) and at the guitar overdub part, I turned
to my brother and said, "Now that's cool."  I knew I was a die-hard fan after
that!

   This has gotten me thinking of a new thread -- are there are other 
moments that sound a lot better in the recorded version, or live version, for
that matter?
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: albertr@crchh780.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Albert Reva)
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 18:35:20 GMT

People keep mentioning ESL, ATWAS, and ASOH; But how about their best live material that has never been "officially" release like the many bootlegs.  I have a few shows that would blow away anything that has been officially release..

C'mon doesn't anyone out there collect Rush stuff???

albertr

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Subject: Re: Sound Production of Early Albums?
Reply-To: a-feygin@uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:31:54 GMT

ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod) writes:
} feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
} >ja51359@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (axelrod) writes:
} >} feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin) writes:
} >} >irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt) writes:
} >} >} [it's another one of THOSE rush fans...]
} >} >} Au contraire...the sound quality on Rush albums just keeps getting bett
} >} >} Moving Pictures was the first ADD album, and Power Windows the first DD
} >} >} unless you're buying the LP or something the sound gets audibly cleaner
} >} >} MP and the dynamics get a lot better on PW.  The improved technology al
} >} >} the boyz to express themselves better and more musically, and isn't tha
} >} >} what it's all about?
} >} >Just bought GUP on CD yesterday and was NOT impressed with the
} >} >sound quality.
} >} Alex, you suck.  Your ears are made of horse droppings.
} >Just for that you cant borrow it
} Fine, then I'll steal it next time I come over.

I'll just steal it back being that you never lock your door


-- 
  Alexander Feygin      "A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission"
 a-feygin@uiuc.edu                         -- Rush

   The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not CCSO
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Great Moments / Emotive Music
From: tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:50:34 GMT
 <1992Aug28.034042.8756@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> <1992Aug29.220614.24436@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Aug31.144313.26004@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

> All true. My absolute favorite moment of Peart's drumming -- in fact,
> my favorite Rush Moment, so to speak, is the latter third of "Vital
> Signs" where Neil & Alex just rip into the last verse "Leave out the
> fiction/the fact is: this friction..." It's INCREDIBLE! Any other
> favorite moments out there?
> -- 
> Matt Marx     mmarx@csli.stanford.edu           

	Here's mine:

	During "Bravado", when Geddy sings "A summer too lofty / river 
a little too wide...."  WOW!!! There's some honest-to-goodness emoting going
on there ....
	and during The Pass when Geddy sings "Someone set a bad example / 
made surrender seem alright  / the act of a noble warrior / who lost the 
will to fight"   ... again, it seems these lyrics, as sung, strike
something inside Geddy (though of course my projections might play a 
part in this analysis) and that he sings them with particular abandon.

	Can anyone think of a Rush song that is sung with almost no 
emotion?


Thomas Beaudoin
Lee's Summit High School

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From: mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx)
Subject: Rush's Greatest Moment (was: Signals- how it fared in the poll
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:43:13 GMT

In <1992Aug29.220614.24436@midway.uchicago.edu>
mcr1@quads.uchicago.edu (mark conley roller) writes lots o' stuff, but
what I'm interested in is:



>Also, I agree with Power Windows and pearts drumming. Very good... also,
>check out Hemispheres. Peart does some excellent stuff, with very different
>styles on different tracks. Modern Drummer picked Peart's moving pictures
>effort as one of the top 25 drumming albums ever.

All true. My absolute favorite moment of Peart's drumming -- in fact,
my favorite Rush Moment, so to speak, is the latter third of "Vital
Signs" where Neil & Alex just rip into the last verse "Leave out the
fiction/the fact is: this friction..." It's INCREDIBLE! Any other
favorite moments out there?
-- 
Matt Marx     mmarx@csli.stanford.edu           
So many newsgroups, so little time...

Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: mehr@oskar.uchicago.edu (David Mehringer)
Subject: Chronicles
Organization: Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:44:26 GMT


Could someone tell me the contents of Chronicles?  Please email.
Thanks.
--
Dave Mehringer              | 
dmehring@smaug.aoc.nrao.edu |  I am not Herbert. 
National Radio Astronomy    |  
Observatory, Socorro, NM    |
From: slevine@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Steffan Levine)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment & Live/Recorded Moments
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:11:14 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1SEP199217420231@sigma.tamu.edu> krm3611@sigma.tamu.edu (Ken McWatters) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.063636.3134@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes...
>>wraty@dvorak.amd.com (Bill Raty) writes:
>> 
>>Great moments.....
>> 
>
>   This has gotten me thinking of a new thread -- are there are other 
>moments that sound a lot better in the recorded version, or live version, for
>that matter?

    
    I LOVE the live version of Closer To The Heart!
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From: eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer)
Subject: Re: Rush's Greatest Moment (Grand Finale answer)
Reply-To: eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:07:43 GMT


In a previous article, mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx) says:

>In <1992Aug31.154815.5933@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis) writes:
>
>>I love the ``The Grand Finale'' -- especially the last half
>>where Neil varies his percusion, and Alex has his guitars
>>rippin'.
>
>Hold the phone! What is "The Grand Finale"? I've never heard of it on
>any commercially available Rush album.

   Yes, you have.  It's the final movement of 2112.

>Is it on a bootleg somewhere?

   Yeah, probably...

		-EMeyer
-- 
"Unstable condition--a symptom of life       | Eric A. Meyer (eam3@po.CWRU.edu)
 In mental and environmental change          |  Alumnus,  Beta Nu of Theta Chi
 Atmospheric disturbance--the feverish flux  |---------------------------------
 Of human interface and interchange-"  -N.P. |    "What do you think, sirs?"
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Subject: SKIP/NEWSGROUP
From: mjbutler@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:14:46 EDT
Organization: Miami University, Hamilton campus

Anyone seen the Hologram disks that came out of Europe?  They are CD singles. 
I have one with part of a Geddy Lee interview and I have another CD single (not
hologram) with a Neil Peart Interview.  I found a Alex interview but it was on
a Picture Disk (realsharp) but I have no turntable and didn't have the bux on
me at the time.. I would like to get the entire Hologram set with all of the
interviews.  Anyone know where I can get them??

                              .\\ike

Jack, Get back!
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From: inthalw@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Magnus)
Subject: Kid Gloves
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Closed Boxes
Date:  2 Sep 1992 15:27 EST  

I was wondering what everyone out there thinks about "Kid Gloves" on p/g. I 
don't believe that I've even seen the song mentioned here in months. Is it 
crap not worth mentioning or sublime enough to not need any discussion.

I'm just curious. Perhaps later I'll give my opinion of it.

Later,
Magnus
From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: non-elevation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:32:54 EST
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

> He is actually singing "ESCALATE" not "ESCAVATE". 

Ah, so that's it.  I only listened to it once, and I didn't see
how escavate actually fit in.

> I don't have to explain why, do I?

Sure, go for it.  ;-)

Take care,
Eric

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From: potter@scan2.tamu.edu (SHANE POTTER)
Subject: Re: anybody know what this means?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: potter@scan2.tamu.edu
Organization: Cyclotron Institute, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:00:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.171811.27218@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, RZAL90@email.sps.mot.com (Eric Johnson) writes...
>On several albums, the liner notes include something like:
> 
>Brought to you by the letter "M"  (Power Windows)
>                             "D"  (Presto)
>                             "B"  (Roll The Bones)
> 
>I'm just curious if anyone has ever heard if these mean anything, or 
>just an inside joke of some kind or?
> 
>Also, "Now it's dark."  (RTB also)
> 
>Later,
> 
>Eric Johnson, Motorola SPS, Tempe, AZ
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Eric Johnson working at Motorola????  Are they going into the music
business also!?!?!?!?!?

							-Shane
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