HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: AOL for help (was Re: GEOS and PostScript)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:02:17 GMT

In article <Jan.5.05.04.27.1993.5618@pilot.njin.net>
birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
[...]
>*sigh*  Not to bitch unnecessarily, but some of us - myself included - can
>(for real) NOT afford to use a for-pay online service, no matter how
>helpful it is.  The
>barely-able-to-afford-a-phone-line-let-alone-toll-calls crowd. ;)

Yeah.  That's one of the reasons that I was (and still am :-) glad that
Brian Smithson started the PCGEOS mailing list and this whole ball of wax
rolling (wow, that was a little over a year ago!).

>I would be very interested in learning
>
>a) the AOL addresses of the Georeps (since I _can_ e-mail them through the
>   AOL <-> Internet e-mail gateway, without spending money that I don't have
>   to begin with).
>
>b) whether the AOL Georeps will actually _give_ assistance to non-AOL users
>   who mail them.  (if not, I understand, after all, it's not free for them
>   either that I know of, and they can't be expected to serve every user who
>   can gateway mail to them.)

As I tried to say a long while back when this was brought up... Please
remember that the GeoReps are strictly *volunteers*.  They ride herd over
the various GeoWorks areas on AOL.  They aren't the answer people (though
they end up doing an awful lot of that because they do know so much).  The
AOL boards are *the* place for these questions, good or bad.  It's seems,
to me, quite unfair to presume on the generosity of the GeoReps to answer
questions that are directed specifically to them from out of the blue.  But
hey, that's just my opinion.  Someone with AOL access might like to bring
that subject up and see what they say.

>c) whether GeoWorks has given any thought to providing some other sort of
>   support (even just a UUCP e-mail drop would be better, for folks like me.

At the current time, AOL is (still) the official online GeoWorks support
forum.  Please bear in mind that GeoWorks is still an pretty small company
and can only do so much right now.  Anything you see anywhere else are
mostly people just trying to help out the best they can (anybody here spend
time on the Genie roundtable, I don't have an account (and no particular
desire to :-)).  Who knows what the future will hold.

Good morning,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	Y'all must know the drill by now.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey)
Subject: Re: Look and feel (Re: GEOS Press Release)
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 09:17:27 GMT

Shag (birchall@pilot.njin.net) wrote:
: 
: Yep.  Some months back mention was made here on the newsgroup about Brian
: (at a conference) switching between the stock Motif GUI and a Macintosh
: GUI, right in the middle of word-processing a document.  Of course, the
: wording used above - ...adopts the appropriate "look and feel" of different
: devices - doesn't just have to mean it can look like a different GUI.  GEOS
: could - by my interpretation of the wording - adopt the "look and feel" of
: an automated teller machine.  The "look and feel" of one of those info
: kiosks you find at tourist information centers.  It might even mean that
: GEOS could adopt a "look and feel" that utilizes a command-line interface
: (though I don't think it would happen).
: 
: -Shag
: 

Or we could throw in a voice recognition object....or hey! maybe even a
direct neural-link interface object and use Geoworks directly from our
brains. 8-)

Actually....on the not so serious side of things, GEOS's flexibility in
that area is one heckuva acheivement over the other OSs out there (IMO). 
I'm still wondering if this allows a compiled GEOS app to be executed on
any hardware platform that has a version of GEOS designed for it?  After
all, the app would be using the same system objects no matter what system
it would be running on wouldn't it?  Or am I forgetting something and it's
just too late for my brain to function?

,^MrSpock^

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: CES Info.
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:56:57 GMT

Never say I didn't give you anything... :-)  This has *just* been released
for public consumption.

John


News Release

GeoWorks Demonstrates GEOS System Software on the
 Casio/Tandy Personal Information Processor;


Technology Update at CES Includes New ISVs 

	Las Vegas, Jan. 7, 1993 - GeoWorks, the Berkeley, CA, 
developer of sophisticated system software, today joined Casio, Inc., 
Tandy Corporation, and Palm Computing at a technology briefing at the 
Winter Consumer Electronics Show being held here through January 10.


	At the briefing, the companies delivered a progress report on their
joint project: a handheld, pen-based device, slated for release later this
year. GeoWorks is providing its GEOS. system software to run device, code
name "Zoomer." This device is the first in a family of Casio/Tandy products
called "Personal Information Processors" (PIPs), an emerging class of
low-cost hardware that combines sophisticated consumer electronics,
computer, and communications capabilities.
	
	Also, the companies announced the addition of new project partners
- America Online., Vienna, VA, and Intuit, Menlo Park, CA, - that have
committed to provide specialized versions of their applications for the
GEOS platform. Products from these partners will complement applications
being developed by Palm Computing, Los Altos, CA. Palm is developing a
suite of applications and add-on products specifically targeted at consumer
products such as the Casio/Tandy device.
	
	"We are delighted that America Online and Intuit have decided to
provide GEOS-based applications for the Casio/Tandy device," said Brian
Dougherty, GeoWorks' CEO and chairman. "GEOS represents our commitment to
providing an open architecture that facilitates easy and rapid development
of applications for this emerging class of device."

	GEOS system software is at the heart of the Casio/Tandy device.
GEOS is built on efficient and flexible software technologies, making it
ideally suited for these new compact, lightweight, yet powerful devices.

	Howard Elias, Tandy vice president of corporate marketing, said,
"We selected GEOS system software because it meets the unique demands of
this class of device. The distinct GEOS architecture enables it to deliver
high-performance computing benefits in very small memory and storage
footprints. This capability is essential to deliver a product with the long
battery life required by consumers."
[...]
### 

For more information contact:
Mike McGuire
GeoWorks
(510)204-8508

GEOS and GeoWorks are registered trademarks of GeoWorks, and GeoWorks Pro
and Quick Start are 
trademarks of GeoWorks in the United States and other countries.
All other trademarks are the property of their respective holders.

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: Harold Climer <HCLIMER%UTCVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Re: GEOS company song? (Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?)
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:36:24 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

On  1/09/93 John D. Mitchell said:
>In article <Jan.8.21.41.15.1993.18671@pilot.njin.net>
>birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>[...]
>>Which, of course, Andrew's going to post, so we can all learn it and sing
>>along, right? :)
>>
>>... or is that protected under the non-disclosure agreement? ;)
>
>Why don't you make one up and post it for the edification of all.
>
>:-),
>	John
>
               A company song ? When did SONY buy Geowoks? What kind
    of exercises do you guys do in the morning.

                                               Harold Climer
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Subject: Subscribing
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Subject: Re: Cost of GEOS SDK
From: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 7 Jan 1993 10:55:34 GMT
Reply-To: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <Jan.6.16.06.26.1993.13820@pilot.njin.net>, birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>So, now that we know where the "other guys" are pricing theirs, let's hope
>"our guys" undercut them by an even bigger margin than usual. :)
>
>-Shag

Of course, when pricing a SDK product, you have to think that developed
programs will sell more copys of the environment (esp. at an early stage like
GEOSs).  I expect their product will be priced close to messysoft's ( is a
little above $200 street.  Hopefully.  and that's *if* it's ever released.

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Geoworks contact info?
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:36:02 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:


>Are there any phone numbers, fax numbers, or addresses that Geoworks
>would like us all to know?  I haven't really been able to find a whole lot
>in the manuals, and even less in the way of department- or topic-specific
>ones.

Answer my own question, why don't I...

Geoworks
2150 Shattuck Avenue
Berkeley CA 94704

510 644 0883		- Main computerized voicemail thang.
		x749	- 24-hour info recording.
510 644 9362		- Non-technical service and developer support.
510 644 3456		- Technical support
800 772 0001		- Orders and registration (within the US)
818 879 8522		- Orders and registration (outside the US)

Other addresses, useful in certain countries:

Computermate Geoworks End User Licensing
P.O. Box 64, Mt. Kuring-Gai, NSW, 2080
Australia

IBM Canada Ltd.
Returns Centre/GeoWorks Ensemble
233 Alden Road
Markham, Ontario, L3R 152
Canada

MicroLogic Software (fonts and such)
(415) 652-5464 [* May have changed to area code 510 *]

Certified Software (third-party apps)
See the FAQ


-Shag

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From: peter@psg.com (Peter Lerten)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:37:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: psg.1993Jan8.233713.8679
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US


   John-
      As far as we both know, the Beta agreement is VERY specific. All
      information, including the fact you are a Beta Tester is to be
      kept totally between GeoWorks Inc. and yourself. You are totally 
      correct...'nough said.
	 GWRepPeter
	 GeoWorks Online Representative (volunteer,not a GW employee)

-- 
uunet!m2xenix!peter    peter@m2xenix.uucp     (Peter Lerten)
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Miscellany (Re: 24-hour info line notes)
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:49:48 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>GEOS is the name of the system and does *NOT* stand for anything.

So it HAS been changed.  Quoting the cover of my GEOS 2.0 manual (that's
*Commodore* GEOS 2.0, folks ;) - 

"GEOS(TM)  Graphic Environment Operating System"

I guess when Berkeley Softworks became Geoworks, it sold itself the rights
to the name GEOS, then promptly got rid of whatever it stood for. ;)

>But why would anyone want to run much slower on much more expensive
>hardware and that has a shorter battery life?  :-? :-)

Simple, John.  To balance out the technosadists like myself who enjoy
torturing software, the world needs an equivalent number of technomasochists
who enjoy being tortured by software.  (Bill Gates' secret fetish... ;)

>The System Software Overview has been completely rewritten and was not done
>in GeoWrite (I don't know why not either).  And no it won't be posted
>electronically.

Feh.  Foo.  Bar.  Baz.  I suppose if I bought it then typed it in (using
GeoWrite) and uploaded it, they'd be rather upset, too.  (Although somehow
I suspect the SSO is not responsible for a significant chunk of Geoworks'
revenue...)

-Shag

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: wcs0830@ucs.usl.edu (Segura William C)
Subject: Re: Posting to FTP sites
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:44:55 GMT


I'd like to clear up some misconceptions about the official GeoWorks Newsletter,GeoBytes.  First it is in GeoWrite format that was put together from GeoDraw.
Second, some of the files are quite large because of the graphic content.  

It would be tough for me to convert these files to ASCII text because they are 
basically graphic pages.  I'm not saying it can't be done, if it were much of
what makes the Newsletter so great would be lost.  You do not need to worry about fonts that it uses that you may not have.  

I can't UL them now because my disk quota is low and I do not have >2400bps
access to the University.  Please bear with me.  You will like what you see.

On another note:
I have been seeing talk about support from the GeoReps on AOL.  Here is my 
2 cents worth.  The GeoReps are volunteers and are not payed by GeoWorks for
what they do on AOL.  GeoWorks does pay their online time.  They do not get all
information that is available from GeoWorks.  Brian Dougherty, the head honcho
at GW cannot divulge info about unreleased products, so the GeoReps can't even 
do it either.  I have sent the GeoReps some info that I found on this board that they didn't even know about. I even posted it to the library on AOL.  They put
a disclaimer at the end of the file.  Another thing is people have a much more limited mail space on AOL than they do on the Internet.  AOL is limited in what it can recieve from the Internet, I think it is 8k in length.  They can send out mail in 32k length.  I do not think the GeoReps or AOL could handle all the mailthat would be sent to the GeoWorks Support group.  I will ask them when I am on
AOL next.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: "Gregory P. Smith" <smithgr@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: Geoworks and OS/2 2.0
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:35:50 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

In comp.os.msdos.pcgeos you write:

>Member Generations: Starbase Louisville
>Phone:588-6522

>Has anyone been able to get Geoworks to work under OS/2 2.0? I have been
>looking into the possibility, since my dad's workplace uses OS/2.

ftp the file aolfix.zip from software.watson.ibm.com or ftp-os2.nmsu.edu 
(mirror of the first).  It contains a patch file so that GeoWorks will run
under OS/2 nicely.
From: simard@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Donald Simard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re:  Fun with disk-compression (Re: geos broken)
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:58:05 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <C0CLJC.6AL@news.iastate.edu> j1meb@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>
>Geoworks quit working on my system(286,drdos 6.0+superstore,640k) when I
>added the fonts from the archive(for a grand total of ~170 fonts) until I
>boosted the files command in my config.sys to files = 200
>Before I did this, I would not make it past the "Loading PC-Geos" screen.
>Hope this helps.
>Mike

Thanx. Turned out the problem was the files command. I had mine at
120. I am surprised that the tech support didn't suggest this.

BTW, where did you download the fonts from? I only have about 126.
They were downloaded from one of the SIMTEL mirrors.
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Stylus click-and-drag (Re: 5 AM Deductive Logic)
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:07:52 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

ted@helios.UCSC.EDU (Ted Cantrall) writes:

>...Think about it: how would you click-drag with a stylus? 

Drop the stylus on the object, selecting it, then drag the stylus across the
screen to where you want it?

-shag
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: chuck@melmac.Harris-ATD.com (Chuck Musciano)
Subject: Re: Look and feel (Re: GEOS Press Release)
Reply-To: chuck@trantor.harris-atd.com
Organization: Advanced Technology Dept, Harris Corp, Melbourne, FL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:54:09 GMT

In article <Jan.9.13.01.30.1993.3842@pilot.njin.net>, birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
> johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
> 
> >In article <1993Jan9.091727.13156@ornl.gov> fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU
> >(Fred A Dickey) writes:
> >>I'm still wondering if this allows a compiled GEOS app to be executed on
> >>any hardware platform that has a version of GEOS designed for it?  After
> >>all, the app would be using the same system objects no matter what system
> >>it would be running on wouldn't it?  
> 
> >That's the basic idea.  It' truly astounding if you think about it a bit.
> >:-)  I'm still awed and I work with it everyday.
> 
> So basically, if you find someone who's got enough capability to port
> Object Assembly to platform X (a 386, perhaps, using RAM protection, or a
> NeXT, or a Sun, or a Mac, or an Amiga, or a television, whatever), you can
> make a GEOS kernel for it, with the appropriate system-specific libraries,
> and wham-o, play some tetris.

     I seriously doubt you would want to take *any* app compiled for one
platform and run it, without recompilation, on another platform.  Geos
apps still have x86 instructions in them, regardless of which assembler
(blech) or compiler produced them.  This would mean that a SPARC version
of Geos would have to interpret an x86 app, which would really slow
things down.

     I've run Geos under SoftPC on a SPARC 2, and it is pretty creaky.  
SoftPC runs like a vanilla AT on SPARC 2, and the graphics are *really*
slow.

-- 

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:58:12 GMT

In article <1igu6hINN811@golem.wcc.govt.nz> harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>
>I presume the reason that john did not enter into the release date debate is
>that he is not allowed to [john, the man who knew too much :-). ].

Yup. As some of you may recall, our official Company Motto is
"GeoWorks: If we told you, we'd have to kill you."

(It's also a line in the company song.)
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?
From: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 7 Jan 1993 09:46:57 GMT
Reply-To: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1993Jan7.065339.28169@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
>Hmm... Aren't you violating the non-disclosure contract?  Whether or not
>the policies of GeoWorks with respect to information disclosure are
>"right", "moral", "good", etc. if you have agreed to its terms then you
>should abide by them.
>
>John D. Mitchell
>johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU
>
>P.S.	I am probably biased since I'm an employee of GeoWorks.
>	I speak for myself.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.

Out of interest, is the non-disclosure agreement covered by It's self?  If it's
not then perhaps a copy of it could be posted here, so that we can see what we
*are* allowed to be told, and perhaps help in getting answers.

I presume the reason that john did not enter into the release date debate is
that he is not allowed to [john, the man who knew too much :-). ].

Adrian
[Never beleive anything until it's been ofically denied.]

PS: I agree with john, If you've signed a contract that syay you aren't allowed
to tell us somthing, then don't.  Much as I would like to know however.

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|             Windows?  Just say NO!               |
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: comp.os.pcgeos.* hierarchy? (Re: New uploads...)
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:30:44 GMT

In article <Jan.8.14.52.57.1993.10614@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>The basic presumption here is that the people who asked me to e-mail them
>UUEncoded copies of things (which is not very convenient for me, in any
>number of ways) are those who can _not_ FTP, and do _not_ have access to
>AOL.  UUCP or BITnet users in Europe, in particular.  All requests for the 
>files I have received thus far have been from users in Europe.

Yes, but Simtel is served by a number of ftp-by-email sites, European
TRICKLE and EARN servers, and the like.  It's one of the
most-available archives in the world.

I agree with John -- I'm not all that anxious to see such a huge file
UUencoded and posted here either.

-- 
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