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From: dld30@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Dave Dooley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: New Matthew Ward album available???
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:49:45 GMT
Reply-To: dld30@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Dave Dooley)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


I heard a few months back that Matthew Ward was supposed to release a
new album soon. Has there been anything new since the compilation
CD "Collection"? If not, does anyone have a release date or title yet?
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From: pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D)
Subject: Re: Rachel Rachel?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:19:02 GMT

Distribution: na

Alan S. Mazer writes
> Some time ago I heard about Rachel Rachel but the guy at the local 
> bookstore discouraged me from buying their record.  He said it wasn't 
> very good.  Now I hear that a (female) friend of mine is living with a 
> member of the band and I'm wondering about them again.  What's the 
> verdict?  Are they worth the price of a CD?  

Anybody with an opinion, drop me a line too...I'm going to see them in  
concert on Friday (they're opening for White Heart) and I've only heard  
one song by them, their cover of "Carry On Wayward Son"...it's not Kansas,  
but it's not bad...

clueless chuck
PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu
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From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Re: Christian F.M. Radio Broadcasting
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:27:54 GMT

In article <14SEP92.15710168.0170@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> G06C@UNB.CA (G06C000) writes:
>i am looking for call letters and locations of any stations
>throughout the U.S. and Canada.
>Thank You ....Phil


What for?

"Full Metal Worship", 94.5 FM WCXS (Merrifield, VA)

Phil, co-host

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From: burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: TANGENT (sort of): livin' Godly 'n' all that  (WAS Re: U2's denomination)
Followup-To: burtp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:42:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.182409.4370@newshost.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>
>I think we are misunderstanding each other.  I agree with your point
>wholeheartedly.  What I was trying to say is we shouldn't go out and actively
>seek evil or the temptation thereof.  As for what "offends", yes, that IS
>a good indicator for judgments -- as long as we remember than the Word of God
>is better, and they may not always coincide.  When they don't the Bible is
>what we should pay attention to.
>

In this newsgroup, we are dealing a lot with things that affect the
emotions (specifically music).  And yes "offensiveness" aught to be
part of our procces of making decisions.  You also make the point very
well that this must be tempered with something solid - scripture.  I
ask you to consider two points that are commonly overlooked:

	1.  We must temper our feelings and scriptural guidance with
	**thought**.  We can "feel" that something is wrong or right,
	we can "read" that something is wrong or right.  The next step
	in mature decision making is to be able to think about
	something and understand **WHY** something is wrong or right.
	(this is something that Christians fail to do all to often!)

	2.  As Christians we must "tolerate" much of this offensive
	world.  The only other option is to join a convent or 
	monastery!  (I consider my own flesh offensive, but I haven't
	yet found a way to avoid it!)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peace

phil

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"If clouds are full of water,
	they pour rain upon the earth.
Whether a tree falls to the south or to the north,
	in the place where it falls, there will it lie."

Ecclesiastes 11:3

(profound  -  isn't it!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron)
Subject: Re: TANGENT:  Interpretation
Reply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:43:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.161421.5032@engage.pko.dec.com>, eje@irenaeus.mlo.dec.com (Eric James Ewanco) writes:
>Wow, considering how many genuine manuscripts we have of Church Fathers quoting
>the Johannine Comma in the 3rd century, that's pretty remarkable.  Call it a
>gift of prophesy, I guess.  I offer as an example Tertullian, Against Praxeas,
>25,1 A.D. 213 and St. Cyprian of Carthage, The Unity of the Catholic Church, 6
>(251 - 256 A.D.).  Other quotes of the Johnannine Comma appear in the 5th and
>6th century.

That should come as a great surprise to many scholars because none of them can
find a NT manuscript with the verse.

>Why do you believe the Bible is the written Word of God?  I am asking for the
>reasoning you have used to conclude this; you obviously reject this argument
>you've mentioned, which seems to be the common one.

Because I have tested its claims and found it to be true.  Anyone can write
what Paul wrote in 2 Tim 3:16 about Scripture being God-breathed but that
doesn't mean it's true.  It's only when you test the claims that one can draw
conclusions.

>No more than the Bible gets stale; after all, it's just as old as tradition.

If your Bible is stale then you must have a poor version.  My Bible is vibrant
and alive.  The problem is when Christians become like the Pharisees and let
tradition rule them instead of God.  I had a verse where Jesus condemns such
action in my old .sig; I'll find it.

>No, thank you, I'll keep my traditions, no matter how stale they may seem.
>It's the only way I can keep from falling into error.  Truth never becomes
>stale.  If it was true back then, it's still true now.

I thought the Bible was the truth, not tradition.  Which do you follow:  the
word of God (like Jesus) or human tradition (like the Pharisees).  There is
nothing wrong with tradition in itself.  But when tradition becomes our guide,
we get MAJOR problems.  Unfortunately, the Pharisees are alive and well in the
Christian church (at least in the US, hopefully not elsewhere).

  -- Scott @Brandeis

                           I asked Jesus,
                     "How much do you love me?"
                     "This much," He answered;
                        and He stretched out
                         His arms and died.
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Greenbelt 92
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:17:39 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

So how about one of you wet, muddy people post a review.  I didn't
make it.  When I heard about the toilets overflowing into the lower
field I wasn't entirely sad...

Alison
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Humorously Diverse Tastes
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:41:23 GMT

In article <88870@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>Oh goody, lists!

Yep, can't beat 'em.  This week's list would include Mark Heard, Big Star,
Buddy Guy, Ivo Papasov and the Bulgarian Wedding Band, Chris Whitley, and
Mission of Burma.  But it changes all the time, you know.  So I went
through the ol' vinyl/tape/CD collection to see who has the most 
staying power, which I define as twenty or more albums in my collection.
So here's who won:

- J. S. Bach
- The Beatles
- The Byrds
- Bruce Cockburn
- John Coltrane
- Elvis Costello
- Miles Davis
- Bob Dylan (the big winner with 68 albums.  Yeah, I know that he's only 
offically released thirty albums or so.  Don't ask.)
- Duke Ellington
- Emmylou Harris
- Keith Jarrett
- Joni Mitchell
- Van Morrison (a close second with 59 albums)
- Thelonious Monk
- Graham Parker
- Richard Thompson
- Muddy Waters
- Neil Young

On the Christian Music side of things, Cockburn is the undisputed
champ with 23 albums.  Next is Mark Heard and Daniel Amos/DA, with
seven albums apiece.  

And on another tangent entirely, I bring you FAVORITE BAND NAMES IN
MY COLLECTION:

- When People Were Shorter and Lived Near the Water
- Birdsongs of the Mesozoic
- Aztec Camera
- You're Soaking In It
- The Ordinaires
- Pigmeat Jarrett
- The 13th Floor Elevators
- Straitjacket Fits
- Tall Dwarfs

>Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
>
>I believe we are on the irreversible trend toward more freedom and
>democracy -- but that could change.   -- J. Danforth Quayle  

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
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From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Concert review:  White Heart w/ Kim Hill
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:44:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Well, last night Whiteheart returned within driving distance of Atlanta for
the first time in 15 months.  (Alabama on 8/22 got cancelled.)  I spoke to
people who drove in from Savannah, GA and Gainsville, FL for this concert.
I drove ~80 miles myself.  I got there about 3 hours early, and there were
already a few people there.  I got to hear the sound check.  They did
'Invitation,' 'Vendetta,' and 'Say the Word,' and they sounded GREAT.  The
gates were opened and i got front-and-center seats and a cool baseball 
jersey-like T-shirt.  

Then it started raining and nobody even came on stage before the show was
cancelled.

Life sucks. :-(

JRjr
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'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Amy Grant's upcoming album[s]?
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 02:46:43 GMT


I looked in an "upcoming releases" listing somewhere, and discovered Amy Grant
had a new album coming out in early October (I think it was the 6th) called
"Home For Christmas."  However, I also saw, in the same listing, *another*
album coming out in December 1992, the title of which was not available.

Does anybody know anything about this?  Surely it can't be two new albums of
new songs released so closely together!?  Perhaps an "In Concert" type tape,
or another collection of sorts...?

Does anybody know anything about this?
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From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: looking for the music for `Our God is an Awesome God'
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


HI,
	I'm looking for the music, guitar chords actually for _Our God
is an Awesome God_.

	The rest of the lyrics go:
	
	Our God is an AWesome God
	He reigns from heaven above
	with wisdom, power and love,
	Our God is an awesome God.


Thanks

 en agape,
 Bob 

=============================
Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: david_s@hsr.no (David Andreas Sjoeen)
Subject: Re: Mark Heard
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:43:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.160310.9352@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

> These are indeed comforting, hopeful words.  I trust that Mark Heard
> is now experiencing the reality of those truths.
> 
> In the meantime, there is the small reality of thousands of dollars
> of medical bills, and a grieving wife, and a four-year-old little
> girl who probably doesn't understand why her daddy isn't there 
> anymore.  I agree with what you've posted.  I just don't want to 
> trivialize the tragedy of death.  It matters.  And it's horrible.
> 
> For the present time the "former things" are all too much with us.
> Good Christians still suffer and die tragically.  And I think it's
> okay to hate that.  At any rate, whether it's okay or not, I *do*
> hate it.

Death matters. 1. Cor 15,26 says: '[The] last enemy [that] is annulled
[is] death.' And this is not a human enemy, whom we are to love, but
it is a consequence of sin, and that we must hate. But we know that
'he also, in like manner, took part in the same [(blood and flesh)],
that through death he might annul him who has the might of death, that
is, the devil; and might set free all those who through fear of death
through the whole of their life were subject to bondage.' (Heb. 2,14-15)
 
> The verses you've posted are sort of "bottom line" verses for me.  
> They're either true or they're not.  If they're not true, then
> suffering and senseless tragedy have the last word, and there's
> nothing left to do but despair.  If they *are* true, then we
> will eventually understand, and all our emptiness and grief and
> stupid doubts and unanswered questions will be swept away, and
> we will see God face to face.  This is what I believe.  But I 
> also know that I haven't been able to "spiritualize" away the
> pain in the tragedies and deaths that I've had to deal with,
> and I'd bet that Janet and Rebecca Heard can't either.  

This is true, the pain and suffering can't be "spiritualized" away,
but the Lord will give strength to overcome the pain and suffering.
'For   h e   has said, I will not leave thee, neither will I forsake
thee.' (Heb. 13,5)
 
David
From: blosser_cy@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: THRASH?!
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:28:35 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

>>I am somewhat surprised to hear of people who actually listen to
>>`thrash' music.  (Yes, true!)  Especially what seems like a
>>substantial Christian Music audience.  Seriously, what is its appeal?

To the untrained ear, thrash may appear to have no rythm or harmony--more
line an angry buzzing of chainsaws or the discordant noise of a broken air
conditioner. But it grows on you--after a while you can recognize the 
structure and orchestration of the song, the layer upon layer upon layer
of solid, brutal sound, the tribal beat of the drums, the wailing guitar
giving voice to the primal scream within...and it *does* have an appeal. 
You don't need to be a serial killer or a deranged psychotic to appreciate
good thrash. =)
From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Rachel Rachel?
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:30:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.1992Sep8.153056.13010
Distribution: na
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL

Some time ago I heard about Rachel Rachel but the guy at the local bookstore
discouraged me from buying their record.  He said it wasn't very good.  Now I
hear that a (female) friend of mine is living with a member of the band and
I'm wondering about them again.  What's the verdict?  Are they worth the
price of a CD?  
-- 
 
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From: rjd4507@zeus.tamu.edu (Ray De Frese)
Subject: Ooops
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:35:00 GMT

	Largest that is except for G. Rollie White, where
	Carmen performed. 

	Ray	 
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From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: Christian F.M. Radio Broadcasting
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:50:25 GMT

In article <15SEP199212394211@rigel.tamu.edu> hlr3408@rigel.tamu.edu (RUIZ, HECTOR LUIS) writes:
>In article <drice.716515808@ponder>, drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice) writes...
>
>>Yes.  KLTY is still going in D/FW.  Here is a listing of most of the
>>Christian radio stations in the D/FW area:

 hey! Didn't we go through this thread sometime during the summer. I can't
 recall who it was, but somone was collecting a list of "christian radio
 stations" and stations that played "Christian music". It was quite an
 extensive list -- hundreds, I believe. 

 If anyone has that list buried away somewhere, please post it t
 or let your name be known so that we can quietly and quickly settle
 this.

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From: custd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Scott Dreher)
Subject: Randy Stonehill concert info.
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:02:16 GMT

There is a rumor going around Charleston, IL that Stonehill is giving a
concert in Champaign, IL. Anyone know where, when, and how much tickets
are? 

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From: isc30366@nusunix2.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant's upcoming albums
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:34:47 GMT

AVERNON1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Andrew Vernon) writes:
: In article <1992Sep12.024643.6133@newshost.unh.edu>
: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
:  
: >I looked in an "upcoming releases" listing somewhere, and discovered Amy Grant
: >had a new album coming out in early October (I think it was the 6th) called
: >"Home For Christmas."  However, I also saw, in the same listing, *another*
: >album coming out in December 1992, the title of which was not available.
: >Does anybody know anything about this?  Surely it can't be two new albums of
: >new songs released so closely together!?  Perhaps an "In Concert" type tape,
: >or another collection of sorts...?
: It sounds like "Home for Christmas" is another christmas album to follow-up
: her first from several years back. My fasination lies with the second,
: yet-untitled album for December. Will it be aimed for the mainstream, as
: Heart In Motion was, or will it be more spiritual?

   Is there another yet-untitled album to be released?  Not from what
I've seen in the lists or from info released by Word, Inc.  The only
other item which will be released is the video collection.  "Home For
Christmas" will be released to both the Christian and mainstream
markets.

: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=  A n d r e w   V e r n o n =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

-- 
Rodney Ho

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From: cee1@Jazz.CC.MsState.Edu (Charles Evans)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant's upcoming albums
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:50:05 GMT

AVERNON1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Andrew Vernon) writes:

>In article <1992Sep14.053447.27759@nuscc.nus.sg>
>isc30366@nusunix2.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN) writes:
> 
>>   Is there another yet-untitled album to be released?  Not from what
>>I've seen in the lists or from info released by Word, Inc.  The only
>>other item which will be released is the video collection.  "Home For
>>Christmas" will be released to both the Christian and mainstream
>>markets.
> 
>Word Inc. isn't the label that releases most of Amy's stuff. For the most
>recent recordings (Heart In Motion & Lead Me On) and probably new releases,
>check with her current label, A&M Records. Her catalog titles (The Collection
>and earlier stuff) are now  reissued by Reunion, a former Word subsidiary now
>owned by Geffen. I think Reunion is also rereleasing the Christmas album.

I thought that Amy's stuff is all under myrhh (WORD)?? even though she appears
courtesy of A&M Records on Smitty's new one and the Heart in Moshion CF
Poster says: avaliable on A&M Records. 

Are you sure Geffen bought Reunion from Word. Smitty's new one still says
WOrd and Reunion??? I knew there was a big thing with Geffen wanting Smitty
to go secular as "Michael W" but he didnt.... please explain

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From: isc30366@nusunix2.nus.sg (HO TUCK CHIUN)
Subject: Re: New MWS
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 10:35:03 GMT

jmdeyoung@acs.harding.edu writes:
: >In article <1992Sep3.161027.2931@wheaton.wheaton.edu> rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu
: >I am sick of hearing from holyer than thou types who think that If the lyrics 
: >aren't a fundamentalist sermon, then an album is worthless and should be 
: >shunned. This criteria basically translates to : "If it would minister to a 
: >monk, then it can be called good and acceptable, it is worthy of the name CCM"
: >This black and white thinking is the sort of stuff that keeps certain
: >christians locked off from the world and makes them impotent to spread the
: >Christian message.
: I have to agree with you wholeheartedly, it seems to me some people in this
: group think a "Christian" artist has to have the words, "Jesus", "God", and
: "Holy Spirit" spewing forth from the tape to be good and Christian.  Let's try
: and be a little more open minded and accepting of others work.  

   Just a little thought to add.  Does it mean that if I release an
album chalk full of the words "Jesus", "God" and words that are
"Christian", it makes the album very very Christian?  Well, if that's
the case, then maybe Boy George's group "Jesus Loves You" is pretty
Christian, since it's got several songs with plenty of the words
mentioned above.

   If I take that analogy further, if Playboy releases an issue filled
with the abovementioned words, then it becomes a Christian magazine?

   I find it very very odd that Christian content is based the no of
"Christian" terms/words used.  Does it mean that when you don't hit the
quota required for a day, it also means that I can jump to the
conclusion that you're not "Christian" enuff?  If that's the case, boy,
am I a really unspiritual Christian... 8)

: Mark
-- 
Rodney Ho

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