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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: John Williams
Date: 16 Dec 1992 21:28:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) says:

>I've been reading all the posts on John Williams and his imitative 
>qualities and was especially intrigued by the one that said that if he 
>imitated so many other people, that this must be a style all his own.
>
>So, what if he imitates himself?  I saw Home Alone 2 about a week ago 
>and, as the Williams fans may know, he composed the music for it and its 
>predecessor.  All through the movie, I kept hearing musical phrases from 
>the Star Wars movies!  Certain that nobody else noticed, I turned to my 
>girlfriend after the lights had gone up and mentioned my find.  "Only 
>*you* would notice something like that," was her only reply.  Perhaps 
>that is true, but I still found it shoddy composing to lift themes from 
>your own pre-existing themes.

I don't know ... this is probably the one time when I would excuse
such a behavior.  Home Alone 2 is the story of a young boy's adventure.
What is more appropriate than the music that is synonymous with 
adventure?  (NOTE:  I have not seen Home Alone 2, nor have I heard the
soundtrack.)

Also, as someone else was noting, it is QUITE a rushed process to
create a complete soundtrack for a movie.  Somewhere I have an 
audio tape of a 20/20 interview with John Williams around the time
of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and I think it was said that
he has something like 8 days to complete the score.  (I could be a
little off on this.  It's been a while.)

Also, at the time he had written something like 60 movie scores.
by now we can probably bump that up to 80 or so.  Sooner or later
you're going to repeat yourself.  

(Heck, I was hearing SW themes in Raiders ...)

----  TJ

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From: ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier)
Subject: Re: Star Wars is NOT literature
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:50:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.202457.42700@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis) writes:
>I have no objection to people enjoying Star Wars.  That's fine.  I grew up
>with the movies, too, but I know where to draw the line.
>
>The problem arises when people overanalyze the movies.  They are NOT
>literature.  IMO, they aren't even well written.  When interpolating what
>Lucas 'might have meant' or 'implied', that's where the pitfall arises.
>
>Hollywood doesn't intend to produce well-written or meaningful entertainment.
>Star Wars was not produced to induce thought or empathy.  Star Wars was simply
>eye candy.  A lot of neat space ships, cool costumes, and a couple good actors.
>Over analyzing something that was intended for good-natured entertainment is
>like getting blood from a stone.
>
>This is not a flame or even a criticism.  The movies were good, but I think
>they have to be put into perspective.
>
>
>-- 
>
>+-| Paul Lewis |--| Jonestown: WLVR 91.3fm  Monday 11pm-1am |-+-------------+
>|  'I'd love to turn you on.'                  -The Beatles   |             |
>|  'You should be with us, feeling like we do  -Perry Farrell |     1       |
>|   like you love to, but never will again.'                  |    2 3      |
>|  'The struggle between God and man breaks    -Kazantzakis   |             |
>|   out in everyone.'                                         | Renaissance |




Sean Squier
(Future CEO - The Walt Disney Company)
ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Why do you even bother with these idiots?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:22:10 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec11.135459.4501@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>
>These idiots are all over the net, and should be ignored...The whole point
>of these messages are to see how many people they can piss off, and they
>get satisfaction from that (since they themselves have no life, and as a
>result turn to this for gratification).....
>
>*IGNORE THEM AND THEY WILL GO AWAY*
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How true, how true.....

Now let's forget about this and get back to some serious SW talkin'!!!

  _________   _   ____    __  __  __  _   ____    ___   | Josh Ling
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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Why do you even bother with these idiots?
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:54:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Dec11.135459.4501
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Hey guys....Whay does everyone need to respons to these "Get A Life" ers
who, on a regular basis, feel the need to tell everyone to get a life and
thus piss everyone off ??? 

These idiots are all over the net, and should be ignored...The whole point
of these messages are to see how many people they can piss off, and they
get satisfaction from that (since they themselves have no life, and as a
result turn to this for gratification).....

*IGNORE THEM AND THEY WILL GO AWAY*



Just my $.02 worth

Dave
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From: akhil@stokes.ae.utexas.edu (Akhil Vidwans)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Favorite SW moments
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:13:14 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Organization: CFD Lab, Dept ASE-EM, University of Texas at Austin


My personal favourite is the scene in TESB
when the empire and DV are shown for the
first time with John Williams' Imperial
March ( is that what it is called ) 
playing in the background......

Akhil

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From: smp@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Samuel Penn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Destroyer question
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:04:13 GMT
Reply-To: smp@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Samuel Penn)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <1992Dec13.231824.15793@udel.edu> bragg@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Aquatic Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.202917.936@ra.msstate.edu> paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil) writes:
>>Do you *WANT* to try to dock a star destroyer with the Death Star?
>>Just think what happens if you miss the approach. :)
>
>	Not only that, but think of the forces of gravity involved!

Forces of gravity? This is Star Wars we're talking about here - we can't let physics
get in the way of a damn good movie!

And while on the subject on physics, has anyone ever come up with a really good
quasi-believable reason why all the air in the docking bays of the Death Star doesn't
escape into space (considering they are wide open to a vacuum, and ships fly in and
out of them all the time). Whenever I'm GMing Star Wars my players always seem to find
a way of coming up with this question. Of course, I just ramble on about air being
made up of 'diggle' particles, and special diggle repulser fields...

-- 

Sam (aka The Eternal Halfling).  | "Ilharessen zhaunhil alurl"
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From: stein_gs@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Glenn S Stein)
Subject: Re: ..last hope. No there is another one.
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:13:42 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.075916.13690@anasazi.com> rickard@anasazi.com (Ronald J. Rickard Jr) writes:
>>Recall that Yoda said "Always emotion is the future..." 
>                               ^^^^^^^
>                               in motion
Since Yoda is replying to Luke's "I see them in pain (an EMOTION), I'd say
you're wrong.  I don't have the script, but emotion fits much better.

Glenn
From: lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA (David Lebel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ..last hope. No there is another one.
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:18:51 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal -- Montreal, PQ, Canada

In article <1992Dec16.061342.5771@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> stein_gs@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Glenn S Stein) writes:

>Since Yoda is replying to Luke's "I see them in pain (an EMOTION), I'd say
>you're wrong.  I don't have the script, but emotion fits much better.

Here's from the script of ESB:

YODA: Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.

-- 
 David Lebel              | C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully |
 Universite de Montreal   |        navigating an asteroid field is     <o>
 lebeld@JSP.UMontreal.CA  |        approximately 3720 to 1.             |  Star
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From: gestes@regan.next.nd.edu (gregory estes)
Subject: Re: Star Destroyer question
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:54:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.233325.12731@ll.mit.edu> shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel  
Shoham) writes:
> In article <1992Dec11.135032.22235@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU  
("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
> >
> >	Can a death star house a star destroyer?  I know star
> >destoyers are big, but it really looked like the ship in ANH was
> >heading for the death star head-on, not preparing for orbit,
> >or something.
> >						-Quinn
> 
> I am not sure I know what you mean "house", if your question is wether a  
SD
> can dock on the DS, then I can shed some insight.
> 
> I think a SD cannot dock on the DS. (Which in my opinion is a design  
flaw).
> 
> At the begining of ROJ, Vader takes a shuttle from the SD to the DS.  
Clearly
> the SD was there for the sole purpose of transporting Vader from  
wherever he
> was before (Bespin?). A SD, and not a shuttle is used for the mundane  
task of
> shutteling Vader because he is important enough to demand the amenities  
of
> a large ship (remeber Air-Sununu, everyone).
> Have it been possible to dock a SD on the DS, the DS - allready  
dedicated to
> the task of shutteling Vader - would have done so.
> 
> And if Vader is not important enough to have a dedicated SD docking in  
the DS
> on his behalf, surely the Emperor - who also arrives by shuttle - is!
> 
> --On the other hand... The shuttles (and MF) always enter via the  
SMALLER of
> the docking bays in the DS. We never find out what the "big docking  
bays" are
> for. They sure look big enough for a SD.
> 
> - What do you guys think?
	Maybe it's for housing Imperial Escort Frigates, which are pretty  
big, but not nearly the size of the SDs.

						Greg

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: ALL SW FANS READ THIS PLEASE!
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:44:22 GMT

"David D. Schwartz" (ds7n+@andrew.cmu.edu) must be frothing
at the mouth:

: Recently, a post titled "why don't all you star wars fans get a life"
: was sent to the b-board.  

What is a "b-board"? Is that a code word jerks who post in 
all caps use?

: DO NOT RESPOND TO IT BY ANY MEANS!

I'm so glad you're here to tell us what to do. That makes things
a lot better. No one would have figured anthing out without
this guy's help, that's for sure.

: ...AND BOORISH AND STILL ATTEND UNIVERISTY, OPERATE A COMPUTER AND USE
: E-MAIL.  

You should know, partner, you're living proof.

Hopefully they'll take this helpful person's account away too.

In fact, how about rec.arts.comics.moderated.useful.information
for those of us who don't see any point in posts like this?

Scott

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: lars4752@mach1.wlu.ca (Bradley Larsen u)
Subject: Re: why don't all you star wars fans get a life
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:56:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.051623.106844@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> bsk2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN STEPHEN KOPACZ) writes:
>
>           its just a stupid god-damn movie you fools
>                you freaks
>                get a real life
>                don't you people have anything better to do than
>                to type star wars questions and ask about ben kenobi's
>                , or however you spell his fuckin name, stupid
>                glow in the dark ram rod.
>                when was stars wars made, freaks?
>                maybe 1984
>                i personally like the question about the
>                fake fuckin x-wing fighters
>                get real fools
>
>                p.s.  show me an actor in that goofy ass movie who has
>                done another movie since that gay flick.
>                              thanx   your friend ,  r2d2
>                              and may the force be with you
>
>                              
I know who you are and where you live and I am coming after you.

Darth Vader -- The Dark Lord of The Sith

Insert Heavy Breathing
From: jlv3566@hertz.njit.edu (Yeah Sure)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Star Wars MUD
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:53:50 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


does anyone knoiw the adress where i can get a Mud program as well as a telnet site for mudding.... I believe it was 130.161.144.22 but i am not sure can someone verify this for me thanx
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Lucas the literary genius?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:04:31 GMT

julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton) writes:

>I'm sorry, but George Lucas is not a Tolstoy or a Dostoevsky or a
>Kafka, and he can't even begin to hold a candle to Dickens.  Don't get
>me wrong, I love SW just as much as the next person, probably more,
>but that doesn't make it literature.  Yes, it can teach us some
>things, yes we can gain some insights about life from it, but
>comparing it to some of the great classics that I majored in in
>college is ridiculous.  

Equally ridiculous is assuming that "literature" means the same thing
to different people.  It's a subjective term, and calling a particular
story or poem "literature" doesn't automatically qualify it as being
meaningful or beautiful.  I've learned more (in a philosophical sense)
from the Star Wars movies than I have from anything Hemingway or
Emerson has ever written.  The movies have better sound effects, too.

Lord knows you don't have to consider the Star Wars films High Art in
order to qualify as a fan, but please recognize that a lot of us are
rather well-versed in the so-called "classics" of "literature," and
still maintain that the films compare favorably to many of them.

Vis vobiscum, y'all!


                                 --Steve Stelter
                                   sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: abaker@jarthur.claremont.edu (The Evil One)
Subject: Re: Yoda quote
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:29:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.210307.7534@cs.wisc.edu> finton@barney.cs.wisc.edu (David J. Finton) writes:
>My brother gave me a Yoda quote, and I'm wondering if he got it right:
>              "No think. Only do."
>I don't remember this one;  what I remember is "There is no try;  only do."
>
>Can anyone verify whether Yoda says either of these, or something close?

How about this: "Do or do not.  There is no try."

The Evil One
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From: law30056@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN KEN HWEE)
Subject: Re: Splinter of a Mind's Eye
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:09:15 GMT

Wasn't Vader killed or thrown into a bottomless pit or something in
Splinter of the Mind's Eye?

I read it when I was 10-12 as well.  Can't say I remember much of it
except Leia tried fighting with a l/s (against the big guy in black?)

There was also a scene where they tried firing a blaster at D/Vader.



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From: redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Vian Lawson)
Subject: A little mystery
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:39:57 GMT

In the latest edition of a local SW and LucasArts appreciation newsletter,
very vague references were made to something called EXO.

I rang the chap who produces the newsletter (to ask him if perhaps he
had misspelt EO - not beyond the realms of possibility, believe me) and he
went all mysterious on me, saying only that EXO was a `big project
LucasArts is working on ...'

I think a little speculation is called for.  Or concrete information, if
such you have.  Is EXO:

	1.  A `Blue Harvest' for the '90's

	2.  The sequel to _Howard the Duck_

	3. Something to keep Uncle George amused while the SPFX chaps do
their warming up excercises?

	4.  Despite protests to the contrary, a misspelling of Captain EO?

	5.  Another computer game\set of novels\limited series of drink
coasters\Disney ride or similar merchandising coup?

	6.  A novel by Kenneth Flint? :)

Virtual currency awarded to the most inventive suggestions, and my undying
gratitude to anyone who can shed light on the mini-mystery du Jour.
-- 
  "They've shut down the main reactor"   /  ^  \  Vian Lawson. 
  "Oh no!  That means we'll have to     |  \ /  | Otherwise known as  
  react on our own ..."                  \_____/ redfive@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: X-Wings Demo
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:14:16 GMT

From article <BzG9o7.H9D@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, by ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier):
> I downloaded the X-Wings demo from ftp.uowell.edu tonight, unzipped it
> and ran it on my 386.  It was just a frickin slide show.  The pictures
> were nice of a few x-wings and a shuttle, but they were basically
> snapshots of what we might see in the game.  No interaction at all.
> What was the point?  I learned nothing from this.  Is is a decent 3-d
> simulator?  I would assume so after Battle of Britain and Aces of the
> Pacific, but hardly worth ftp'ing if you want a demo.  Maybe the

	In this day and age where it takes at most 3 minutes to FTP
a 1 meg file to a computer, you're complaining that it's not worth it?

	:)

	The purpose of a demo is to make you want to learn more about
the game.  Sure it's nice if you can play a little too, but seeing how
it takes time and money to make these things, wouldn't you rather
have them spend more time on getting the game to work than a demo?

 TTYL
 Chris
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:51:43 MST
From: julie@alaska.et.byu.edu (Julie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Splinter of a Mind's Eye
Reply-To: julie@bones.et.byu.edu
	<BzGEJp.FLt@dcs.ed.ac.uk> <1992Dec18.143152.16280@ra.msstate.edu>

Well, there's always the local library.  My little tiny branch had
it...

And we've already paid for it!

"You could use a good kiss!"		JULIE
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From: darkstar@pecan.cns.udel.edu (The Janitor Of Anarchy)
Subject: Re: I read ALL the posts!!!!!!!!!
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: Wow...
Keywords: it's christmas time in hollis queens, mom's cooking chiken and
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy far, far away...
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:41:20 GMT

In article <BzFDBn.DpA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier) writes:
>I did it!  It took me 2 days, but I read through all 753 posts!!! I
>know EVERYTHING!!!  bwahahahaha!!!
>
>
>Sean Squier
>(Future CEO - The Walt Disney Company)
>ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
>
>
>so I'm done with finals, sue me!


GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Just Joking...  8)


	--Jerry



-- 

Jerry Alexandratos            | "If you want to get a head,
darkstar@freezer.cns.udel.edu |  you got to get a hat!"
darkstar@bach.udel.edu        |    --"Skin Trade"
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: sche7135@mach1.wlu.ca (Scott Schelter u)
Subject: RPG: Capital Ships
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:33:54 GMT

      Welcome to the Jungle. 

      I have a question for everyone who plays SF role-playing games.
(not just star wars, but any SF RPG) I'm really interested in bringing
a LOT of Deep Space Warfare into a campaign I'm planning on running
for a group I run. It's based on Star Wars characters, and SW rules,
but I want to have a LOT of Capital Ships (and fighters, too) that will
be introduced in this battle. Just a note, this is going to be the final,
climatic battle in the campaign, and there are going to be SWARMS of
ships. I'm in the middle of modifying the rules for a full scale battle
like this, in order to keep the pace fast and furious.  

      What I would like is for people on the net to Email or Post some
supplements that they have bought or used which have good stats for some
capital ships. I've been looking at my local RPG store, and have seen
some interesting stuff. (eg Leviathan for Battletech-I think) Some things
that is shpis- that I'd like to use are:
 
             Klingon Bird of Prey
             Romulan Winged Defender
             Federation Warships (is there such a thing)
             Any Battlestar Galactica Capital Ships
             
       Anyone who knows of a RPG supplement with stats for these ships
or any other cool capital ships/fighters, please post the name of
said supplement.

       Also, if anyone has designed their own ships, or made their own
stats for the above ships, send that info too.

            Thanks,

            Scotty Le DOG
            sche7135@mach1.wlu.ca


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From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Subject: Re: New Topps Cards Scheduled for March!
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:07:02 GMT

In article <1gbt9vINN9ta@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale) writes:
> 
>  Hi all,
> 
>  In the most recent Diamond weekly update for dealers, they mention
> that the next Diamond Previews order form, which should come in
> around Christmas time, will not contain Batman: Animated series
> cards but rather *Star Wars* promo cards from the new Topps series.
> Since this order form is for material to be shipped in March, I think
> they're planning on a March date. Although many cards have been late
> recently...
> 
> Marshall
> --mjv@brownvm.brown.edu

     I've been a little unhappy with Topps myself. My local comic shop
ordered Dracula movie cards from Topps and even had some promos. Unfortunately
they never came in - this was the same week that Superman "died". Anyways...
that's my 2 cents. 

Can't wait for the new Star Wars cards  (starts thinking about a happy
10 year old busting open packs of ESB cards).


-- 

John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apology accepted, Captain Nida", Darth Vader
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