From: guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Discrimination against whites is rampant
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:38:52 -0600
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cll5685@zeus.tamu.edu (LARUE, CHARLES L.) writes:
>have not seen a white heavyweight champ for a pretty long time.  In my
>experience, I don't see a lot of blacks trying out for the golf team or the
>tennis team.  Show me some statistics that say that blacks aspire to these
>professions and are unable to achieve them.  

I don't see alot of black scientists, engineers, or CEOs either. I
guess they don't aspire to it.

>I think you missed the whole point
>here.  I will show you many white college football and basketball players who
>would love the chance to play professionally.  

And I can show you many white college football players who will
be playing pro football. Whites make up more than 50% of the NFL.

>You say that basketball is the
>only sport where blacks are predominant.  Define predominant.  I see a
>disproportionate number of blacks in many sports.  

Predominant is just that, the most numerous group. It is only
basketball in which blacks are the most numerous ethnic group. The
are plenty of latino boxers to offset the number black boxers, as
well as quite a few white boxers, although at the smaller weights.

>have had long talks with an affirmative action official, so I know).  I say 
>that it works both ways.  If there are white dominated professions, people 
>scream racism and try to change it.  I see disproportionate numbers of blacks 
>in football, basketball, baseball, etc., so I am screaming racism against 
>whites is occuring (to make a point).  There is not one iota of difference in 
>my cry of racism and your cry of racism, although you would probably beg to 
>differ.  

Well, first of all, I have not made a cry of racism. Again, use facts
in your arguments, not figments of your imagination. 

>I await the answer to one question:  What is the difference in the 
>white man who aspires to play professional sports but is unable to and the 
>black man who aspires to be a CEO but is unable to?  My answer:  Nothing, the 
>door may be closed for both of them.  

And your answer is correct. Pat yourself on the back. But what
does that have to do with AA? Are you saying that you know a black
CEO who is incompetent? I know a lot of white CEOs who are 
incompetent, but no blacks.

>Stanford, I would have to say that you are the one that made sweeping
>generalizations, not me.  Either that, or you know little about sports.  Come
>up with stats that show blacks trying to succeed in tennis or golf or hockey
>and being denied and I will listen to you.  If that were the case, then I would
>say fix it, however, that is not the case.

I happen to be quite knowledgeable about sports. For instance, I
know that studies have shown that black children love tennis as
much as other children, and they would love to play more. However,
they don't have adequate access to courts or equipment. And 
black children are denied entrance to some tournaments. There
is quite a movement on to recruite black youths to tennis. If
you don't know what you are talking about, do what I do. Shut up.

Show me evidence that white athletes have been denied access to
professinal sports due to their race, and I will alter my opinion
that your series of posts is not just a bunch of silly bullshit.
Because there are numerous studies of blacks being denied 
opportunities due to their race.

And just so we are clear, I have no objection whatsoever to giving
preferential treatment to whites in pro sports. Professional
athletes make up less than 1/1000th of 1% of the U.S. population,
and so any such policy would have absolutely zero effect on the
lives of Americans.



>Charley

Stanford S. Guillory
guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu