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From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:07:28 GMT
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology


   In article <183781@pyramid.pyramid.com>
   danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:

   I was disappointed to hear these comments from Mosley.  I'm sure
   most would not be surprised to hear stuff like this from JMB or
   Bernie.  Is Max, Bernie's puppet?

Wasn't Mosley the second man at FOCA for many many years (even before
the FISA-FOCA conflicts of the yearly 80's erupted).

I would not be surprised he and Bernie viewed things very much eye to
eye...

-Miguel

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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal Q1
Date: 26 Sep 92 22:02:54 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

>>   - Wendlinger is still at March (well, they gave his name in the rundown
>>     of the preliminary grid; it could have been an oversight) rather than
>>     having been replaced by Lammers as anticipated.
>>
>>It is great to see Jan back!  He should have never left F1.  Too bad

Richard Banks writes:

>Now that the WSCC is gone I think we'll see alot of has been F1 drivers
>try to return.  I think Autoweek speculated that Schlesser would going
>to drive for Sauber.

Schlesser is only a test driver for Sauber, the driver lineup for the races
in '93 is Lehto and Wendlinger.

As for Lammers, I say it's great to see him back again too.  Its been too
long for, IMHO, the most underrated F1 driver in a long time.

Dan Jones
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From: tak@doe.utoronto.ca (Tak Ariga)
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Organization: Dictionary of Old English - U of Toronto
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:13:05 GMT

In article <BvC18E.IwA@fulcrum.bt.co.uk> igb@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
> On the James and Murrey show you could hear another commentary team
> scream just before Murrey started talking.
> 
> ian

I was quite sure that was Murray.  James just said "Oh dear" or something.

-- 
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           tak@doe.utoronto.ca  tak@doe.toronto.edu  utdoe!tak
From: dreining@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re:CART / IndyCar frequencies wanted
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:36:53 -0500
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

                                                          
                                                

             INDY      LOUDON     TORONTO    MICHIGAN   CLEVELAND


UNSER JR    461.512  
Mi.ANDRETTI 461.287
MEARS       852.187    852.187                852.187
Je.ANDRETTI 461.287
FITTIPALDI  856.787               856.912     856.787    856.787
Ma.ANDRETTI 462.650    462.650                462.650    462.650
LUYENDYK    469.887               
PRUETT                 461.012    461.012     461.012    461.012
FOYT        456.912
GOODYEAR    855.512
RAHAL                             466.312     466.312
UNSER SR    467.762
TRACY       856.912               852.187     856.912
LAZIER      465.662                                      461.287
DANNER                            460.587
BEEKHUIS                                      855.512
USAC        935.137

The following freqs are used by IndyCar officials and 
safety vehicles: 464.500  464.550  464.650  464.700  4
The following freq was used at Toronto and Michigan for
IndyCar scoring: 464.625 (Cleveland too)

UNIDENTIFIED TEAM FREQS:
LOUDON: 460.687  471.412  464.062  460.587
TORONTO: both intra-team  463.662  464.062
MICHIGAN: intra-team 853.487

intra-team is the crew chief talking to the team scorer
or the person holding the pit board.

F-1
MONTREAL: SCHUMACHER  467.725
          FERRARI     469.512
  UNIDENTIFIED TEAMS  462.275  464.450  468.175  462.250

When I go to the races I rarely scan during the race.
I usually scan during practice and qualifying. This 
allows me to verify the freqs I'll be using during the race.
I note the channel number for a particular driver and during the 
race I tend to listen to mainly one driver. When you see a 
crew lay out the tires for a pit stop I'll change over to
that driver's freq and listen to the pit stop. If the driver
takes an extra lap before coming in you can hear the driver
and crew chief talk about the changes which will be needed during 
the pit stop. 

If you are experiencing bleed-over from other channels,
remove your antenna. This works well at places like Indy
or Michigan where there are few obstructions to interfere
with the radio signals. I tend to leave the antenna on at most
road courses.
If anyone can help with the unidentified freqs I'm
Dave Reininger dreining@gmuvax.gmu.edu  chasin races
From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal: Patrese incident
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:04:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvCq6w.9yy
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

martin@inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Martin Protzen) writes:

>I haven't seen a discussion about this yet, so please what do you
>think about this frightening incident between Berger and Patrese ?
>Luckily noone has been seriously injured. 

>I for my part think that Berger should have been blackflagged as he
>purposely played tricks on Patrese. I'm not saying that Berger's
>intention was this accident but he slowed down without a reason. My
>first impression was that he perhaps missed a gear but he didn't
>mention such a thing in the interviews. So although slowing down (and
>being pushed by Patrese) he went for a pit stop but actually didn't
>stop there. German TV showed Berger on the track again before Patrese
>had left his car. That means his only intentions were to keep Patrese
>behind.

>I think this way of "keeping another driver behind" should have consequences,
>at least for the ongoing race. But instead Berger walks away with six points,
>his best finish this season. He could have killed Patrese ...
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     Berger won the Canadian G.P. this year.

>So what do you think ?
	I don't really think he was trying to play tricks. I think he was
genuinely going to pit, which he did, as one could see by his not having  
passed Patrese on the track afterward. It was a bad accident and berger
should have waved Patrese by...


>Martin.
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TOBY...
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McLaren and Renault
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:19:51 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Brian Lee Wilson writes:
>
>Do you think that McLaren and Renault will have a decent         
>relationship considering how Ron Dennis got it?        

Have I missed something, or is this still in the rumour stage?  And
if I missed something, how did Ron get it?

Dan Jones
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: FIL Nazareth/IMSA Phoenix?
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:23:09 GMT

Any eyewitness reports on either of the above mentioned races?

Regarding Phoenix - the agate this morning mentioned Johnstone
was teamed with Melgratti at Phoenix, rather than Marvin.  I
find this curious and would like to know if it's true and therefore,
why?  It also briefly (of course) mentioned that PJ Jones was 
leading until being punted off by Cobb and then Fangio took over for
the win (and Championship).

-cball-

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From: rob@sbil.co.uk (Robert J Greenwood)
Subject: Re: New F1 Awareness
Reply-To: rob@sbil.co.uk
Organization: Salomon Brothers, Ltd.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 14:04:21 GMT

In article 15386@ncube.com, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

> I did have to make this on-air observation Tuesday:  "I just can't
> picture Nigel Mansell making personal appearances at K-Mart"  :-)

Well he's already done it at Harrod's, and that's just like K-Mart isn't it? :-)

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From: johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: What is indy car about....
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:43:40 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) writes:
>In article msjohnso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (M
>ark Johnson) writes:
gasoline. Any fuel is allowable;
>>it's just that everybody in recent years has burned methanol because it's
>>best suited for the engines they're using. CART may have changed this.
>
>I can't believe that CART doesn't also mandate it, since the use of
>gasoline would allow an overwhelming advantage in number of pit stops
>or all-up vehicle weight -- the teams wouldn't be able to pass it up!
>
>
>doesn't match mine.  Anyone out there have accurate, traceable facts??
>
> -- Chuck Fry  
From the 1988 CART Rule Book:

9.22 Fuel

"Fuel is restricted to methanol only, with the exception of proprietary
additives that are product certified or materials approved by the  Director of
Operations and/or Chief Steward at least 24 hours prior to the start of an
event. Any nitrogen bearing additives or materials will be strictly prohibited.
The additive content may not exceed one % of the fuel additive mixture and must
be included in the total quantity of fuel allowed for any given race."

Hope this clears things up.

John Liskey
johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us
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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: Marlboro Challenge
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  5 Oct 1992 08:25 EST  

In article <1992Oct3.203726.19139@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, 
colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt) writes...

>ESPN's Paul Page said during the Portland telecast that
>they would be "bringing the Marlboro Challenge, as well as
>the race, on the weekend of Oct. 4."
> 
>I assume that this means they intended to televise both
>Nazareth events, the Marlboro Challenge and the Bosch
>Sparkplug 200.
> 
>While we know that the Bosch race will be tape-delayed,
>there have been no previews for the Marlboro Challenge,
>nor any mention of TV coverage on ANY network.
> 
>Knowledge, anyone?

I believe that during last night's tape-delayed broadcast of the Bosch race 
it was noted that ESPN will show the Marlboro Challenge next Sunday (10/11).
Check your local listings for the time.

JD
From: b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell left because of Prost?
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: utarlg.29SEP199214105985
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padenstein) writes... 
>	Senna is an unbelievable hypocrite!!!!!!!! He has said that if he
>doesn't have a chance to win, he won't drive next year. He has a right to
>refuse to drive what he believes will be an inferior car (in the '93 McLaren
>MP4/8), but to cry about Prost and his supposed no-Senna clause is outrageous!
>All of this from the man who vetoed Warwick from Lotus!!!!!!!! I have practi-
>cally no respect for him anymore, or Mansell for that matter! But, then again,
>what will my opinion mean in a week??? Oh, well, I'd pay to drive the AMF!!!!!
> 
> 
>All of that may have exceeded my $0.02,
>TOBY...
> 
Oh please Toby, he said he is tired of risking his life for third. This
seems like a pretty honest opinion to me. The various Prost shennanigans
serve only one purpose: to try to win the championship off the track before
the season even starts. Prost has realized that the only way he can be
champion is to beat Senna and the only way to beat Senna is through 
mechanical advantage and/or pyschological trickery.
If you are looking for something to respect, then respect the way Senna
smoked Brundle on route to a third despite 1 extra (and slow) pit stop
than the rest of the feild. This is the reason they call it *MOTOR SPORT*
and not *BEAUTY PAGEANT*. Respect Mansell for being world champion, repsect
Prost & Senna for being 3 time world champions. Disrespect AMF for being
also-rans, got it ?

George
From: speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Stuff: Post Portugese Gossip
Summary: Where is Prost off to?
Keywords: F1 Mansell Prost Williams
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:15:40 GMT
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.apana.org.au

G'day All,

Last night (Sunday 27th September), I duly sat up late to catch the
Porugese GP. Quite spectacular old Ricardo, ain't he???

Anyway, after the coverage was completed our local broadcasters
(including Alan Jones - Former World Champion) stated that he had got
off the phone with someone during the race and that it was official that
Alain Prost had signed with the William's team for NEXT season and that
this only occurred a few hours before the race.

Other trivia was that McLaren now have Renault engines as they have
bought out Ligier. The main proprietor of McLaren (sounded like an Arab
sheik's name :-> ) had just waltzed along to Ligier and bought them out
in order to get hold of the Renault engine. (Renault is under contract
to supply the beasts to Ligier or whoever own the racing company).

Back to the gossip now. Alan Jones reported that apparently Frank
Williams had been speaking to Patrick Head and offered (wait for this)
Alain Prost and the Renault engine to McLaren in exchange for Ayrton
Senna.

Now I am willing to be proven wrong on the last bit of news because it
had been a hard day & I was half asleep so if anybody else saw/heard it
and can either verify or deny it, please do so.

Cheers.
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Date: 28 Sep 92 06:11:39 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

TSN showed the live feed with BBC commentators this morning on Canadian
cable, and the CBC showed the same feed tonight.  The CBC also showed
Senna's very candid post-race interview where he blasted Alain Prost
for being a coward in having to put second driver veto clauses for both
Mansell and Senna into his contract. Prost removed the clause on
Mansell, but the one on Senna has remained. TSN this morning was
tasteless enough to cut off Senna's interview 5 seconds into Senna's
reply to the first question when they realized that Senna was not
replying in English. That was an extremely impolite and offensive thing
to do.
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From: colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt)
Subject: Re: Marlboro Challenge
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:21:06 GMT

taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436) writes:

>They also said who won it at the beginning of the broadcast.  Don't panic,
>I won't spill the beans here.

I think Page must've received a strong reprimand after
the telecast for that one.  Spoiling your own coverage
might annoy your advertising accounts, no?

Somewhat related to this is the recent ESPN bashing.
While the bashers brought up some good points, points
I had never entertained before, I was not inclined to
agree with most them, being somewhat of an ESPN loyalist.
(Racing coverage on TNN, PSN, and TBS is almost pathetic
compared to ESPN, IMnsHO.)

Then I watched the Nazareth race keenly and noticed how valid 
some of these points were: solid graphics over in-car
footage, wife shots instead of pit stops, etc.

Hah!  And then they mentioned the winner of the Marlboro Challenge!



-- 
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From: andyw@meaddata.com (Andy Welter)
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:48:41 GMT
Reply-To: andyw@meaddata.com

In article 18562@hasler.ascom.ch, kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes:
>
>I saw the end of an interview with Max Mosely on Sky News (european news
>channel) who was commenting on Nigel Mansells move to Indycar. He said
>that he couldn't see why Mansell would want to move to Indycar, as compared
>to F1 it is technically backward and ( I forget his exact words) and does not
>have such close racing as F1, it being more comparable to F3000 ( and therefore
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Excuse me???

I agree that Indycars are not as technologically advanced as F1 (drivers 
still need to be able to upshift, downshift, and be able to keep power on
the pavement all on there very own :-))

But I don't see how on earth he could think that F1 has closer racing than 
Indycars.  Lets be real, with one race left in the season, it is mathamatically
possible for 4 different drivers to win the series.  You may not like how
Indycars arrive at this kind of racing, but lets keep one foot in reality, 
the only suspense to Nigle winning this year was in seeing if he would self
destruct!  Last year was better, but Senna didn't have to worry that much about
beating Nigel for the championship.

>a step down from F1). He compared the move with a star football player moving
>from a premier league club to a third, or at very best, a second division
>club.
>
>He also said that Mansell would bring more to Indycar than Indycar would bring to Mansell and that, in his opinion, Mansells move to Indycar is a big mistake.
>
>Max Mosely has suddenly risen in my estimation  :-) :-).
>
>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
>



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From: D.S.Walker@bradford.ac.uk (Simeon Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Portugal results SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:57:52 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 91909178@occam

In article <1992Sep28.191627.20244@hubcap.clemson.edu> csroach@eng.clemson.edu (Shane Roach) writes:

>
>I didn't join the live feed till the sixth lap, so why did Schumacher start
>in 25th position?  He qualified around 5th.
>
His car stalled/stopped at the start of the warm up lap and he had to
start from pit lane.
>
>Shane Roach
>csroach@eng.clemson.edu


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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: IMSA Phoenix
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:51:43 GMT

For you folks down in the Phoenix area in reference to IMSA
running there this coming weekend:  what's the scuttlebutt
right now regarding Toyota and Nissan?  I've heard they may
stay away to protest the fuel controversy.

Also, I'm assuming the race will be held at PIR, utilizing
the road course, and not Firebird.  Parker Johnstone will be
via phone from there on PITSTOP tonight, along with Don Walker
who picked up his first GTU win at LRP last Saturday.

-cball-

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From: dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood)
Subject: Schumacher's starting position, possible spoilers
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:29:59 GMT

I have a question about the rules on this.  Schumacher made the parade lap with
the rest of the field.  Shouldn't he have been allowed to take his starting 
position on row 3 before the race started?

Also, has anyone else noticed the incredible drives by Schumacher the last two 
races.  In both races he has been down early in the race and been able to come 
back into serious contention for the points.  I just wish they would leave the 
in-car shots on longer.

Thanks for any information.

Deron Wood
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Mansell (Indy or F1 ?)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:26:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.092824.8663@ascii.co.jp> marbm-b@ascii.co.jp 
(Marcos Bachir Mubaied) writes:
>	In one of the japanese sport newspaper, today Oct 7 ,
>	there was a article saying that Mansell will probably
>	run a Ferrari or a MacLaren F1 car next year, in place of the
>	well known Indy-car. Could someone tell us what is happening ?

No current F1 car (or a '93 F1 car) would meet '93 CART/IndyCar rules.
I fully expect Nigel Mansell to be racing a Lola T93/00-Ford/Cosworth XB.
There is talk from McLaren of running a car at least at the Indy 500
sometime in the future, but that's all I know.

--
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From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Subject: F1 Portugal Q1 
Reply-To: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:52:28 GMT


   In article <9209251931.AA07188@yngvi.wbst147>
   MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson) writes:

   - Wendlinger is still at March (well, they gave his name in the rundown
     of the preliminary grid; it could have been an oversight) rather than
     having been replaced by Lammers as anticipated.


It is great to see Jan back!  He should have never left F1.  Too bad
he never really had a competitive seat (he did have a few interesting
qualifyings and races with the old ATS, way back when).  Let's see
what he can do.  Maybe he will be able to catch enough attention to
get a seat next year, which will be hard...

[yes, I am a fan of Jan Lammers, the flying dutchman :-) ]

-Miguel


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