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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: More whining about F1 being international
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:20:29 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Sep4.120950.26318@bradford.ac.uk> D.S.Walker@bradford.ac.uk (Simeon Walker) writes:
>In article <vslnrck.esprit@netcom.com> esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
>>From: jsmith@eoe.co.uk (James G Smith)
>>>esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
>>
>>Are you saying that it would be OK if FISA dropped the British GP or
>>the Italian GP?
>>
>This question would never arise since there is an enourmous intersest
>in F1 in both Britain and Italy, as is the case with the other countries
>where F1 GPs are regularly held. This just isn't the case in the US.

After this years British GP Bernie Ecclestone made a statement along
the lines of "nowhere, except Monaco  has an absolute right to a GP."
At the same time Tom Walkinshaw said something about Silverstone
needing about $20m to replace the grandstands on the pit straight,
about three times the annual income from the British GP.

Now at the time, Tom, as chairman of Silverstone Circuits was trying to
get it to diversify. He did this by buying a the roadcar dealership,
from Tom Walkinshaw Racing. His reasoning was that Silverstone needed
some serious money to upgrade the circuit, and they weren't going to
get it from race receipts, running the farm and the racing school.
Perhaps he was scaremongering but he said that they might have to axe
the British GP.  At the moment Brands Hatch isn't fit for F1 although
there are some plans for a revised circuit with new pits in this weeks
Autosport. Donnington might not be able to get the cash together to run a GP.

			
			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: F1 Question
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:38:22 GMT

For those more knowledgeable:

When Jochen Mass won the F1 race in Spain in 1975, the race
was stopped before half-distance because of a fatal accident.
Who was involved?

Prior to Mass' victory, the last German to win a GP was Wolfgang
von Trips at the 1961 British GP.  Of course, von Trips' teammate
that year was Phil Hill, and we all know the tragic outcome of the
1961 season.

-c'ball-
From: kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Mid-Ohio ticket info.
Date: 5 Sep 92 23:46:48 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Anyone know the ticket information for the Sept 13th race at Mid-Ohio??
 
Any help is GREATLY appreciated. 
 
Kevin

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From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Re: Toohey's 1000/Bathurst Touring Cars
Keywords: Mt. Panorama, Ford, Holden, Yobbo
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date:  8 Sep 92 02:45:03 GMT

bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley) writes:
 >Thus, this is my humble plea for assistance.  I need to get some
 >sort of idea of what I'm getting myself into, ie how to get from
 >Sydney to Bathurst, what's involved in obtaining tickets, and where
 >abouts on Mt. Panorama does one camp?  I'm fairly clueless about
 >this (and many other things :) ) and would appreciate any help that
 >is offered.

As far as I know, you can't camp on the mountain any more.  You may
plunk a tent somewhere in the general area, or book a hotel (they're
cheap, even for the races).

Tickets?  I always got in free, can't help you there. :-)  But try
looking up Tooheys or someone in a Sydney phonebook (anyone in the US
can find one of these).  In the worst scenario, you can probably
bluff your way in.

You should be able to find lots of local revheads to talk to. :-)
As for the town itself, nothing much to see, unless you like history
and culture and that kind of stuff.


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 Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
From: conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Rahal has a big mouth
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:36:17 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
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pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes) writes:
: In article <1992Aug31.193617.25402@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ngoldber@nyx.cs.du.edu (norm goldberg) writes...
: > 
: >     Can you believe the nerve of Rahal to say that he is the championship
: >leader and you don't race him because of that very reason!? I think Rahal
: 
: ...chomp...
...chomp, chomp...
: 
: .. uh, I recall seeing "nice guy" Little Al snuff someone good yesterday
: (Sunday).  Al drove inside of the other bloke, locked up the skins, and
: all but hosed the guy right into the tire barrier -- can't remember who the
: hose-ee was?  And Michael E. had a great shot at (I think) C. Danner; the
: ESPN guys had a camera perfectly spotted to catch Michael use the white car
: in front as a rolling brake cushion.  Replay caught it very nicely. The
: guy in front completely missed the corner and skidded into the rolloff
: area.  Oh, well . . . 

May I introduce y'all (sic) to a couple of FISA-type nicities?
Black flags, stewards and protests.  They can also take your licence
away.  Now, while not perfect, and subject to occasional political
manipulation, (can you say Balestre?) they do tend to make the
self-righteous boars smart.

Or do such procedures exist but without the political will to censure?


Conrad Drake
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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McLaren to use BMW V-10
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:11:07 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

norm goldberg writes:

>    As well, Carl Haas was asked if he had a replacement for Micheal A.
>Yet and he responded by saying the deal is done it just needs to be put on
>paper.When asked who it was,he said ....." He ain't from this part of the
>world.." When the reporteer asked hime if he was from F1, Carl said
>...."you can call him a rookie,but he ain't no rookie.." Followed by a big
>smile and a bite on his cigar.

Warwick or Brundle?  No, not Senna!  Keke.
From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Patrese VS Schumacher
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:58:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bu2t69.LpL
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

>In article <95359@bu.edu> nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:
>>
>>Can anyone confirm that Patrese will be #2 to Schumacher at Benneton in 1993?
>>
>>Someone mentioned this, but I seriously doubt it...
>>
>I read weeks ago that Schumacher (in his own words) was a for sure
>at Benneton next year.  I see nothing wrong with him being #1 driver
>there.

>-c'ball-


       Does anyone know for sure how Benetton has grouped or is grouping its
drivers. For the past five or six years, they have had drivers of equal talent
as their pilots. Berger, Fabi... Fabi, Boutsen... Boutsen, Nannini... Nannini,
Piquet... Schumacher, Brundle... I think you can see what I mean. All of these
combinations were fairly close, so I don't see a clear number one really. Also,
Benetton was always a smaller team so maybe they couldn't provide a spare to
the top driver, or give him a much bigger contract, and whatever else a #1 on
the other teams gets. I think with Patrese and Schumacher it will continue to
be the same- both drivers with equal cars, equal everything. Isn't that the 
way it should be???

Regards,
Cory
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:45:19 GMT


In article <1992Sep11.144001.24826@aa.cad.slb.com>,
wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:
|>
|>In article <1992Sep7.180706.29262@rdg.dec.com>
|>winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
|>>In article <7aRNqB2w165w@dlhpfm.UUCP>,
|>>dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:
|>>[regarding Little Al and F1 negotiations]
|>>|>
|>>|>It did seem like he was pushing it a bit when he said he was only
|>>|>available for an F1 ride that allowed him to drive Indy.
|>>
|>>Why is that pushing it a bit?  Other F1 teams let their drivers drive at Le
|>>Mans.
|>>
|>What F1 teams let their drivers skip an F1 race to compete somewhere else??

Who said anything about skipping races?  You don't have to spend the whole
month of May to race at Indy (although I'll grant you, it helps).

--PSW
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From: fowler@cvmmdl2.msstate.edu (Stephanie Fowler)
Subject: Re: Spencer/Junie (NASCAR)
Organization: MSU College of VET MED
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:48:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.210605.19941@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
> 
> Jimmy Spencer has signed to drive with Junie
> Donleavy (sp?) in '93.  Didn't catch who the
> sponsor would be.  Wonder how long this deal
> will last?
> 
> This puts to rest the rumors of Jimmy teaming
> up with Bobby Allison.
> 
> -c'ball-
> 
> 
Spencer will be driving a Ford sponsored by Helig Meyers.  I had the 
opportunity to see a promotional video for the stores employees and they said
they have been looking to get into Winston Cup for a little over 2 years.  
Dunleavy (sp?) is expecting great things.


Stephanie
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: The Andretti Shuffle
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:32:39 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Bob Kehoe writes:

>Regarding his current IndyCar seat, and assuming Mario does
>in fact drive in '93, I've already seen the most logical names
>show up here on the net.  But I'll add another one, just for
>the hell of it.

	When Michael joined Newman/Haas, Mario stated that Michael would be
	his last teammate.  So if Mario doesn't change his mind, he's either
	going to retire or Newman/Haas will field a single entry again.

>How's about Danny Sullivan?  Now, I don't know what kind of
>contract he signed with Galles, but I don't think he's completely
>satisfied with how things have been going for him this year.  

	There is a very good chance that Sullivan will leave Galles.  
	I'm not sure who's unhappy with who, but I'd bet he goes.

>To
>my knowledge, he hasn't had any tiffs with Mario.  And, as I mentioned
>here last week, Galles has signed on current IndyLights driver Adrian
>Fernandez to be a test driver next year, with the possibility of doing
>some races.  Now I wouldn't go as far as to say that Adrian is a 
>sensation this year, but I would certainly put him on my own list of
>possible 'big names' in motorsports within the next 5 years.

	Fernandez was interviewed at Vancouver and he stated he will 
	run at least 3 (?) and as many as 8 races next season.

>Here's my Wednesday hunches, all probably wrong:
>
>Ganassi will go with Luyendyk and Gordon
>Shierson/Patrick will pick up Cheever
>Galles will stay with Unser and Sullivan
>Bernstein will work with Pruett
>Foyt will try another go with Jeff Andretti
>Penske will be status quo, with Tracy running ovals and being on standby
>again.
>Newman-Haas???   Mario Andretti and ...... Fabi

	I would bet Mario retires and Newman/Haas runs two new
	drivers next season.

and Hall/VDS
	
	I don't think that John Andretti will be back.

	There are also alot of drivers on the market right now.  Johansson
	will probably end up with a top ride, Warwick is said to be looking
	at CART.  Martin Brundle talked with some teams a few years ago.
	Teo Fabi could be looking too.  I think the CART silly season is
	just starting to warmup.

Dan Jones
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From: lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo,622,4577)
Subject: Re: Political Campaigns using Motorsports
Reply-To: lallo@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:59:58 GMT

In article 28386@ncube.com, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

>Dan Quayle, at Talladega where he was honorary starter for a Winston
>Cup race: "I've attended the Indianapolis 500, that's Formula One, 
>not stock cars, but the idea's the same." 

You know. I've heard this mistake made by a *lot* of people, including
ESPN and network sportscasters (I swear it!)

For a formula that so many Americans know nothing about, they sure do
confuse it often.

Matt
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Monza race
Date: 13 Sep 1992 23:59:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


I not accusing anyone of anything, but I find it strange that Patrese's
engine would falter very late in the race when he is about to take
victory, after having the best car on the circuit from the start of
the race, after Mansell drops out, and this happens to him just after
passing the pits going down the straight, and later his engine miraculously
recover with 2 laps to go.  I wonder if the Renault engineers purposely
played with his engine to slow him down from the pits.  I wonder if they
did this to cater to a request of Mansell in hopes of getting him to
change his mind and return to Williams next year?  

Also isn't it very strange that Berger's engine went dead on the grid?
How many times in recent races has this happened to Berger?
Quite a few.  1991 Brazil he had a bad engine from the start.
1991 Mexico he started with a bad engine.  1992 Belgium something
weird happens to the gearbox.  Today.  

Who clipped Schumacher's right half front wing at the start.
Varsha and Hobbs didn't seem to see his wing flapping on the on-car shot.
In fact they thought the sound of the wing flapping was his engine
misfiring.  Are they losing it?

Does anyone know when the last time was that Senna had a blown engine
in the race?

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From: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Indy and F1: IN CAR CAMS
Reply-To: burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:24:56 GMT


I thought (at least in F1) that all cars carry the little side protrusions
and the extra weight of a camera so they all have the same 'penalty'.

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From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
Subject: Re: The Andretti Shuffle
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:05:04 GMT

(Dave Vollman) writes:
>
>OK, here are my WAY OUT predictions for 1993 IndyCar rides
>
>Newmann-Haas:	Mario and John Andretti (which leaves the Hall-VDS ride open)
>Hall-VDS:	Cheever
>Canassi:	Gordon and (gasp) Senna
>Foyt:		Lyn St. James (AND she gets a Cosworth!)
>Patrick:	Sullivan and Luyendyk (if they run 2 cars)
>Penske:		Mears, Emmo and Tracy (runs 3 cars all year)
>Galles:		Unser Jr AND Unser Sr
>Truesports:	Preutt
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not likely...Truesports will dissolve after this season.


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From: rmoises@titan.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Roger Moises)
Subject: Looking for Porsche gif
Reply-To: rmoises@titan.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Co., Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 20:59:38 GMT

  I'm interested in getting a gif file depicting one of the
Brumos Racing Porsche 911 Turbos that race in IMSA's Bridgestone
Supercar series. Either car (Haywood or Stuck/Rohrl/Varde) from
this season or last is fine. Thanks for any help you can provide.

---
Roger T. Moises - UNIX System Manager
Lockheed Missiles & Space Co., Inc. Palo Alto, CA
e-mail: moises@lmsc.lockheed.com

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From: turtiain@lut.fi (Tero Turtiainen)
Subject: F1: #1 for 93??
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:22:45 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

Now when Mansell retires as a world chammpion who will have the car number 1
in 1993? I think this isn`t the first time the world champion has retired so
surely there is some sort of simple solution.
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From: ahe@cadcam.kth.se (Anders Hedborg)
Subject: Group Seven History, 1965 - 1970; - the finding of...
Organization: Manufacturing Systems, Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden
Distribution: rec.autos.sport
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:23:35 GMT

Hello Netters!

	-I'm looking for detailed reports of the sixties CAN-AM, USRRC,
SCCA-Nationals and other races for cars of the same category, ie G7 (G9).

Here in Sweden it is more or less impossible to find it, if you want more
detail than Road & Track, Car & Drive or Sports Car Graphic give.

Where do I find: Entry lists, results, pictures and *GOOD* reports, (like
Autosports coverage of European events).

	-Any suggestions most welcome!

Please answer by e-mail.

Anders.

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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Jordan F1
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:52:48 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
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DECLAN MC (10702296@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: Can someone please tell me why Jordan dropped Ford engines and picked up 
: Yamaha? This was their worst decision of '92.  With 3 new teams coming in 
: next season and the car going as bad as it is, how are they going to compete?
: 
: Also, can someone explain to me why they are using a motorcycle type gearbox?
: This has to be sheer lunacy! Did Yamaha have anything to do with this?
: 
: Finally, what a pity 7-UP don't sponsor Jordan any more,I could hardly pick 
: them out all season.
: 
: Sorry about all the questions but I NEED some answers!
: 

Three reasons: Money, money and the fact that towards the end of 1991 it
didn't look like a bad engine in the Brabhams (it scored a few points).

Basically Eddie had to pay for his HBs and wanted a ``works'' deal where the
engines came free. Yamaha and Brabham were not renewing their deal for '92
(Yamaha clearly saw the writing on the wall) despite some fairly strong 
late-season showings; Eddie jumped at the chance to get in with an exclusive
works deal.

Unfortunately it backfired; had he stuck with HBs one would imagine Jordan
would be up there with Lotus and Benetton rather than scrabbling around at
the back. Poor old Stefano Modena -- finally thought he'd landed in a team
where he'd have a chance of doing really well... 

pete
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From: tafi3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Ian Deeley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hart Engines
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:27:53 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

From article <BuLCox.Gwt@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield):
> 
>  	Like everyone else who saw the ESPN broadcast, I heard the
> rumor about Barnard and/or Doc P. suggesting using Brian Hart V-10's.
> My question is when did Hart come up with a new design for a V-10???
> He has been one of the tuners/rebuilders of customer Ford engines
> forever (like Heini Mader), but I have NEVER heard of his OWN engines,

	<stuff deleted>.

	Brian Hart has been building engines for years, if you knew your
F1 history, you would know that Hart engines powered the Toleman F1 (who
are now known as Benetton, in case you didn't know) which was a 4
cylinder 1.5 litre turbo engine. They are best known for their 2.8 litre
4-cylinder engines which are used in many forms of motor-sport over here
& all over Europe, they are typically good for 350-400 bhp. He has a
very good reputation over here, & the fact that Ron Dennis has been
talking to him speaks volumes !!
				Ian.

Ian Deeley
School of Engineering
University of Sussex
Falmer, England.
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Italian GP on ESPN?
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:16:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

It will be on live at 8:50 am Eastern Daylight Savings Time.