From: nguyen@drutx.ATT.COM (Christopher Chu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: [SOC] Please learn how to respect yourself and others (was re: DANANG3)
Summary: Comments on netter's behavior on this network
Date: 12 Aug 92 07:15:18 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Denver, Colorado


Dear Ly' Tru'c Vie^.t,

I really thought that my article meant no harm, but it seemed like it did
drive you to outer space. I think you were very right: you are really an
unimpatient person. However, I think you also need understand that you must
be patient in order to grow up as a mature and responsible adult. In this
post, I have three more major points to share with you, dear Vie^.t. I hope
that through this article, you will understand my intention: I am just
stating my opinions and objections but am not attacking or trying to degrade
you personally.

First, you do not have to hate me or anyone else just because we have
opinions different from yours. I respected you and I expressed my opinions
politely and sincerely while we talked. I suggest you to think real hard
what you would earn by hating people; that destructive emotion does not
contribute anything positive to our life. I notice that you have just started
to realize that you do not really need to portray yourself as a rude and
reckless person in front of all netters through your irresponsible posting
to everyone.

Even though I am encouraged to see your improvement above, I am very sorry
to find that you still have not understood that the ability to respect and
positively listen to other people is an important social skill that we
all need. You know, this ability is not inherited but the learned behavior
that you should spend your time to work on. While you might have thought that
your most recent responses to me would characterize yourself as a unique and
strong individual, I want you to know that your thought and behavior are
really nothing new. I sincerely recommend you to observe the young and
reckless people who live in correctional institutions and county or state
jails to learn more about the similar language and behavior from them.

Second, even if you really want hate me or anyone else, please do not let
your destructive emotion takes over the control of your behavior; that is not
only dangerous for people who live around you but is also harmful for
yourself. I am not sure if you know, but it is not healthy for us to maintain
hatred for other people. Further more, unrestraint and careless behaviors that
are induced by destructive emotion are proven to be the starting symptoms of
any criminal acts. At least, we need to understand the basic difference
between a sane person and an unsane one, don't you think?

Dear Vie^.t, a significant part of our education and experience is to help
us control our temper and justify what we think to be right while at the
same time showing our respect to others' opinion and value. The fact that
you still used bad words and exposed bad behavior in public has proven
nothing but your lack of social education. While you have shown netters
that you are very good at swearing and degrading people's values, you have
also proven to people how slow you are as a social learner. Contrary to what
you firmly believe, I can tell you that you will treat anyone else, including
the people who you once consider to be your respectful and loved ones as you
have treated me and other netters. The reason for this is that you are not
yet mature enough to control yourself and thus, you cannot guarantee safety
to anyone who live close to you. I hope that you would understand what I am
telling you if you could recall some of your past experience on this net.

Third, I want you to really understand that I do not hate you or try to
degrade you. I sincerely feel so sorry for your inability to listen, think
and learn new things from other people. I have tried to explain to you my
observations on your behavior given the most modest stimulus that I thought
of as being fair. I really hope nothing more than that you can see how near-
sighted you have always thought of the world: it is full of magnificent
things that are much far beyond what you could ever have imagined. If it
takes most of people a few days to think and to understand how important
it is to live peacefully with other people and how destructive bad words
and bad behaviors can be, I think it will take you years. Dear Vie^.t, I am
so sorry that I can no longer help you to get things move any faster for
you.

Finally, I want to end this article with my concern about your threat to
me: you were threatening me with your friends who live in Denver and Arvada
who may, under your command, hurt me, weren't you? You know, your public
threat has shown me that you have not understood how law and order work in
this country. Please do not think that I am trying to challenge you for a
heroic fight, but allow me to remind you that the US is in no way for you to
think of it as a jungle where violent and untamed animals deal with each
others by brutal forces and physical superiority. I would appreciate very
much if you would stop your unrestraint behaviors and your barbaric threats
to our decent netters on this public network.

Sincerely Yours,

Chris

P.S.	I forwarded your article as a response to mine below. Please
	reread it thoroughly. I would appreciate very much if you would
	seriously reconsider whether your article and your destructive
	emotion really contributed anything to anyone's life. Thank you
	for your concern.
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From: lyxuan@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: DANANG3
Date: 11 Aug 92 16:57:07 GMT

In article <19045@drutx.ATT.COM>, nguyen@drutx.ATT.COM (Christopher Chu) writes:
> 
> Dear Ly' Tru'c Vie^.t:
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------
> | From: lyxuan@sscvx1.ssc.gov
> | Subject: Re: DANANG3
> | Date: 4 Aug 92 14:58:27 GMT
> | References: <182906@pyramid.pyramid.com>
> | Sender: usenet@sunova.ssc.gov (News Admin)
> | Nntp-Posting-Host: sscvx1
> |
> | In article <182906@pyramid.pyramid.com>, hhoang@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com
> | (Hien Hoang) writes:
> | >
> | >       Da^y la` 1 pha^n` message cua? anh Scott Doan goi? cho Hie^n`
> | >       ho^m nay.
> |
> | Hello Hie^`n,
> |
> | This is very good!!! I like you already!!!!
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------
> I have some comments that I really want to state. I have hoped that you

Yeah! You're an over opinionated person just like everyone else!

> would be able to reflect your behavior on yourself before using it on other

It would help if you'll retake a good look at yourself!

> people, but it seemed like that could never be the case. You know, if you
> can't show that you love or say good things about someone, you can always be

As far as you(Nguye^.n) and DDK(Khoa) is concerned, I couldn't find anything
positive! Suffice to say! And like you, I am, too, an over opinionated person,
That'll makes us even, right??

> silent. But perhaps ... I wish that you would be able to show your objection
> like anh Hie^`n from Pyramid did, but ...

My congratulations to Hie^`n! He was calm and genial. Unlike Hie^`n, I am an 
impatient fellow! And I feel that it's about time, you two dogs shut your 
barkings!

> +----------------------------------------------------------------------
> | >> [ ... Deleted Stuffs ... ]
> | >
> | >    
   A message to Scott Doan:
> | >
> | >       I know that you are against those people who are going back
> | >       to VN either to do business or to visit their family now. I am
> |
> | Bo+?i vi` co' ai dde? no'(DDK) ra dda^u!!! Chuo^`ng heo nu+'t ro^`i no'
> | chui le^n ddo' ma`!!!!
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------

You need to make a separation between what Hie^`n said. And what I said!
I won't be as kind in words as Hie^`n has been.

> I hardly can believe that you could write the above statements while declaring
> yourself as a loving vietnamese person in the public. You were doing nothing

I always draw a line of separation between what I like and what I dislike!
Yes, indeed, I love the Vie^.t namese people! I love my race of nationality!
Like everyone else, we have people we dislike on an individual level. And in
this case, I have at least two persons I hate the most! and that means
you(Nguye^.n) and DDK(Khoa)!

> but dehumanizing another vietnamese person with your words, do you know?

DDK(Khoa) deserved it! And if you aren't quick in tucking your tail between
your hind legs. You, too, will deserved it!

> I hope that you did not feel good about degrading other people; that is a

Sure!! I feel good!! What do you think???

> root cause of a very serious form of mental illness a human can ever have.

Yes! I am crazy!! Who isn't!!! You must be the sanest of the insane!!!

> +----------------------------------------------------------------------
> | >       still wondering what is wrong with coming home to see their
> | >       family after many years of being far apart . Well , This
> |
> | This should be encourage! The peoples of Vie^.t Nam are a loving and
> | sincere people. One of the major asset we, the Vie^.t Namese, can claim to
> | be ours is the rich love that we have for our people and our country.
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------
> I became stunt while reading your words above. Please read them to yourself
           ^^^^^
             What do you mean here?? You meant "stunned" aren't you??
"stunned" as in stupefy! or stunt as in growth stunt?? Like your brain growth
has long been ceased!!!

> and think carefully whether what you did in your post match any of the loving
> characters of the vietnamese people as so described.
> The first thing for showing that you have some understand about love is for
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> you to stop yelling and shouting to make people know that you hated DDK so
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
YES!! I HATE DDK(KHOA) AND I HATE YOU(NGUYE^.N) TOO!!!!
I HAVE FRIENDS IN DENVER!! AND ARVADA!! YOU BEHAVE YOURSELF!!!

> much. This restraint, at least, tells people that you have some sensitivity
> for the human value and dignity.

For my friends, I do. As YOU(NGUYE^.N) and DDK(KHOA) is concerned, we can never
be friends!!!

> +----------------------------------------------------------------------
> | >       should be the last message I email it to you . Please , don't
> | >       privately email me anything . I don't want to read it just
> | >       because of a simple reason: we have no point in common.
> |
> | P.S. If DDK gives you anymore problems, well, you just let me know!
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Please stop posting these kinds of childish statements like the above unless
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You need to point out what I said!  Don't include someone else statement!
This is what I said people: "P.S. If DDK gives you anymore problems, well, 
you just let me know!"

> you still believe that most SCVers are not smart enough so that they would
> call unrestrainted and tempered guards for protection.

Just hope that they aren't that gullible to fall for your brand of illogic.

> The strongest impression I have had with your article is that you hated
> DDK too much to realize that he is also another loving vietnamese person,

YES! I HATE DDK(KHOA)!! ARE YOU HAPPY??? I CAREDLESS IF DDK(KHOA) IS ANOTHER
LOVING VIE^.T NAMESE PERSON!!! FROM WHAT I HAVE READ ON THE NET, I HAVE MY
FORMED MY OWN PICTURE/OPINION OF DDK(KHOA)!! AND THAT SHOULD SUFFICE!

> perhaps a few year younger than you, but who stands on the same boat like

Younger/older is not an issue! He might be on the same boat as I, but he is
definitely on the opposite side. This in itself, contribute to rocking the
boat! wouldn't you say! Think about it!

Standing on the same side would surely sink the boat! And take me down with it! 
So then, it's best that he be thrown overboard.

> most of the others. People make mistake sometimes in their life and that
> includes me and you. I just can't help to state that your destructive emotion
> is too terrible to be held by a person who speaks of love.

Define LOVE! Are you an authority on love? And don't use the dictionary!

> +----------------------------------------------------------------------
> | Sincerely,
> |
> | HandsomeStranger.......
> +----------------------------------------------------------------------
> I do not hate you or intend to make you feel bad. I just want you to really

Don't worry! I feel fine! 

> think about all these loving things that you were talking about. I am posting
> my comments because I really want to share with you just how contradictory
> it was between your public speech of love and your dehumanizing attitude
> toward another vietnamese person.

Do you love Vie^.t Nam?? Do you love the race of Vie^.t Namese people?? 
Do you love/hate Vie^.t namese on a personal/individual level?

I am certain your answers to the above are "yes"!!!

> Sincerely Yours,
> 
> Chris

HandsomeStranger....................
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