From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)
Subject: Re: Time to Fight
Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com
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Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:51:59 GMT

>< viking.714466691@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>>
>>	If someone in a mask, or a police uniform for that matter, busts into 
>>	my house, they will probably not leave the premises vertically.
>>
>>   Is that because you don't think they can arrest you in your house,
>  or just that you think anybody busting into your house needs to be shot as
>  a matter of course?  Really, this seem too rigid a theory, especially given
>  that death is not reversable.

 One thing that you (Dan), are assuming is that the Police have a legit
 reason to break into Mr. Xs' house.  If someone broke down my front
 door, I wouldn't care if they were screaming "POLICE, FBI or GRATEFUL
 DEAD PATROL".  I would fire at them.  Why?  Because I am NOT a criminal,
 unless you think that 2 speeding tickets in the past 16 years qualifies.

 I have no reason to believe that anybody coming through my door/window
 in a ninja outfit or raid jacket really is a police office! If it really
 is the police who are raiding my place, it is only because:

    1)	They got a bad tip and didn't bother checking the facts.

    2)	They wrote the wrong address on their warrant or have gone
	to the wrong address.

    3)	They have illegally passed laws against the Bill of Rights
	and are now waging a war against their civilian population.

 You might say, "do they deserve to die for making a simple mistake".  Well
 I say, did the woman in WA. deserve to die because of the PD mistake? How
 about the dozens of others that this happens to every year. Earlier this
 year a local cop, (Thorton CO.), shot through the window of a house 
 wounding a homeowner.  The cop had responded to a prowler call.  He spotted
 the homeowner through the window of his own house, and opened fire on him.
 The cop claimed that he thought the man was armed.  He was not.  BTW: In
 Colorado you DO have the right to be armed in your own house without any
 permission/registration from the police.  So even if he had been armed
 the cop still would not have had a right to shoot him.  Guess what?
 Last week the police internal investigation cleared the cop of any wrong
 doing.

 Earlier this year the Denver cops gunned down a 60+ year old woman.
 Her one son (#1) called the police to help her when he was informed
 that she was having a violent domestic disturbance with son #2. She
 had grabbed a gun to ward off son #2, the police kick the door, saw
 her with the gun, and shot her dead.  No bother with finding out
 who was causing the trouble, or asking her to drop the gun. Nope,
 just shoot her dead.  Guess what? The PD investigation cleared all
 the cops of any wrong doing.

 If I shot my neighbor while he was in his own house, and then claimed
 it was an accident, I would be hung out to dry.  Even if I claimed that
 it happened while "cleaning my gun", I would have been charged with 
 something. These cops just walked.

 If I got drunk, kicked in my neighbors door thinking it was my house,
 and got shot, the cops would just say: "too bad, he should have watched
 what he was doing". If I lived, I'd probably be arrested and charged
 with something.

 If I saw person with a gun in my back yard, shot him, and then discovered
 he was a plainclothes cop, I would be lucky if I lived long enough
 to make it to trial.

 NOTE: In NONE of the above 3 examples am I arguing that I shouldn't
 be charged with a crime if I behaved in such fashion.  I AM arguing
 that when cops are caught in similar circumstances, the trend is to
 let em walk. All in the name of the, (begain fanfare & drumroll)

                       *>*> War-on-Drugs <*<*
		     (salute when you read that)

 A double set of standards is forming.  One for us low-life peon scum,
 and another for the "DRUG WARRIORS (tm)".

 Have you ever looked up the word "Warrant" in the dictionary.  Mine
 describes it with words like: "SANCTION, AUTHORIZATION, GUARANTEE, 
 SECURITY, GROUNDS, JUSTIFICATION, CONFORMATION and PROOF".  Not with
 words like: "good tip from a scumbag, in the name of the WoD, cause
 we think so, path of least resistance".

                                Bill Vojak
                                Bill_Vojak@stortek.com
                                NRA, ILA, CFC

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