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From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Genitals in Japan
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:58:23 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
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rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
> rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:
>> keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:

>>>Why can't they [the Japanese] admit a simple fact that
>>>they did a horrible thing during/before WWII and that human
>>>beings have public [sic] hair and genitals and do make love!

>>Because it's not a simple fact. It would involve a national loss of face,
>>which is something most Japanese I have met would not suffer gladly. The
>>Japanese, as any Japanese-surnamed individual ought to know, are
>>particularly thin-skinned about criticism, especially when it comes
>>from gaijin (read: racial inferiors, i.e., the rest of the world).

> Pretty inferior I guess we are, huh? They bomb Pearl, we're gaijin. We
> blow a couple cities to hell and flame Tokyo and Yokohama and a half
> dozen others and we're still gaijin.

   I believe 'gaijin' has a meaning more similar to "foreigners" or 
"Western barbarians" and carries the overtones of racial inferiority in that
it reflects any racist attitudes that the speaker holds.
   To be called a "gaijin" by a friend would not be an insult.

> MacArthur should have banned the word from the language and killed the 
> imperial line.

   Y'know, it's amazing what sort of ignorance is shown here. Given that the
objective was to occupy Japan without violence or rebellion, working with
the Imperial House as a figurehead was perhaps *the* key element leading to
the success of the occupation. Presumably you would have preferred a more
aggressive occupation, and sought to punish the Japanese via repartitions ?
   Like they did to Germany after WWI, which lead into WWII ?

> Assholes, they lose face from all that razor stubble to keep their pussy 
> hairless!:)

   Gosh, Steve, I wonder *how* the dreaded Japanese ever got sterotypes of
Westerners being crude, arrogant barbarians, when we have such wits as you
defending us ?
   Lighten up dude. You've shown some good ideas in your posts, but in the
main, you've displayed an appalling inability to appreciate the right of
others to be different. That some people believe that Japanese are better
than Caucasion (sp ?), that some believe in God, that some believe that
females do not have to respond in ways you consider they should, are all
things you should try to cope with, understand, and deal with on a rational
level, rather than fulminating, frothing at the mouth, and automatically
assuming your opinions are The Ultimate Truth. Grow up a bit, man !
   (Please forgive me for crossposting the last para. to soc.japan) 

Tony Q.
From: jmercier@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Genitals in Japan
Organization: Clark University
Date: 23 NOV 92 01:50:49 GMT


>> rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:
>>> keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:
>
>>> gaijin (read: racial inferiors, i.e., the rest of the world).
> 
>> Pretty inferior I guess we are, huh? They bomb Pearl, we're gaijin. We
>> blow a couple cities to hell and flame Tokyo and Yokohama and a half
>> dozen others and we're still gaijin.
=============

How on Earth do you get inferiority or superiority from military might, and 
the ability to "flame" cities?  (for the record, many Japanese did not know 
what happened during the war.  i.e. they were kept relatively in the dark, 
being told that the war was good, the Japanese were winning, etc.  Doesn't 
make it any better, but. . .).  when people realize that a person's value 
comes from something other that physical might, maybe we'll have a little less 
violence.




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Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: I Have Been Forbidden to Speak the Truth From THIS Account
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:19:34 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.


dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) writes:


>> >I certainly concede that AT&T is within its rights to restrict access to
>> >its hardware.  The Constitution does not guarantee you the right to use
>> >other people's property to excersize your right to free speech.

>>  You are probably correct in that AT&T is within its legal rights,
>> but I would argue that it is morally unjustifiable for AT&T to restrict
>> electronic speech purely on the grounds of its political content.  

>When AT&T is looking at possible legal liabilities the moral argument
>falls by the wayside. They are, essentially, covering their asses and I
>can't blame them a bit in this case. 


Who is threatening AT&T with what kind of legal suite ?

If there is no threat to AT&T, there are no grounds to silence John DiNardo.


>It's getting tiring to see instant decrees of "Censorship" whenever
>something like this pops up. Very tiring. 

It's getting tiring to see halfwits chiming in when they don't know what the
issue is. Very tiring indeed.


>> Unless it is shown that John's postings have damaged AT&T financially,
>> John should not be discriminated against based on his personal views.

>He is NOT being discriminated against. See above statement. Protecting
>legal liability is prudent. Remember, the sign on the building says
>"AT&T" and NOT "DiNardo Communications Inc"


Gee. Maybe if I read your pathetic misinterpretation enough times it will
become true.


-- richard

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Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: serial killer comic
From: harres@sundance.uwyo.edu (John M. Harres)
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:25:27
Distribution: alt.censorship,world
Organization: University of Wyoming - Laramie, Wyoming

I heard a very vague article on Paul Harvey news this morning (18-Nov) about
a publisher that was stopped by a court order from publishing a comic book
about a serial killer.  I think it may have been in Illinois.

Does anybody have any more information on this?

John Harres
harres@sundance.uwyo.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [alt.sex]  robert payne on censors
Followup-To: alt.censorship,alt.sex
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:11:56 GMT

[A repost - Carl]

From: stephen.dawson@canrem.com (stephen dawson)
Newsgroups: alt.sex
Subject:  robert payne on censors
Date: 22 Nov 92 20:21:54 GMT

Robert Payne is a columnist for the Toronto (Ontario, Canada) Sun.
He is very articulate, both in writing and in conversation. His
thoughts are likely to suggest a renassiance man with a cosmopolitan
view of mankind, no doubt influenced by life in his native Jamaica
as well as Toronto.

He recently finished a three year term as head of the Ontario Film
Review Board (classification and censorship role for movies and
video tapes) and participated in the Ontario Law Reform Commission's
review of censorship.

The OLRC report recommended an end to censorship, a cause that Payne
has championed for the past few years. Under him, the censor board
allowed explicit depictions of sexuality, including penetration to
be marketed.

Payne makes these points:

"The Ontario Film Review Board is not a political battering ram, its
chief function is to classify films and videos in a manner that
allows intelligent adults to make appriopriate decisions for
themselves and their children.

"There is no credible evidence that screen sex and violence cause
anything in real life (profits notwithstanding).

"Canada's Constitution includes an entrenched right to freedom of
expression.

"Opinion polls show consistently that most Canadians abhor the
thought of government dictating what they can and cannot watch.

"Technology has rendered ludicrous the notion that government can
ban images."

I applaud Robert Payne.

    STEPHEN
    ^^^^^^^
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 Entered 11-22-92 at 2:48pm in Downsview, Ontario

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Xref: sparky alt.censorship:8978 talk.religion.misc:21755
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Fundamentalist Nightmare
Date: 21 Nov 92 14:36:53 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <GERRY.92Nov20123811@onion.cmu.edu>, gerry@cmu.edu (Gerry Roston) writes:
> The question, "Where do we learn to be heterosexuals?" is a really
> stupid question.  Let's be blunt here folks!  Animals are designed to
> reproduce themselves, everything else is secondary.  Attraction to
> member of the opposite sex is wired into ALL of us at the genetic
> level.   [This gets back to my earlier claim that homosexuality is
> "learned", and by that, I mean, non-genetic.]
> 

Then how do you explain its occurance in animals?  It is part of the 
NORMAL behavior in cattle for cows to mount each other when in heat.
In fact, any good farmer knows when it's time to go get the bull by
the behavior of the cows!

Sorry, but I know TOO many people who say they have always been gay, were
born gay and, even though they have TRIED to be hetro, they just couldn't.

Su


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Xref: sparky alt.censorship:8997 alt.sex:37229 soc.culture.japan:11231
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Who started all this gaijin myth?! (was Re: Genitals in Japan)
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:38:57 GMT
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    <By3oDx.765@world.std.com> <1992Nov22.145000.1@sscl.uwo.ca>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

sakimura@sscl.uwo.ca writes:

>As I mentioned in an earlier post in soc.culture.japan, there is 
>a strong tendency for a Japanese to contract a word of more than
>4 syllables to less than or equal to 4 syllables.

There is also a tendency for anyone to contract a word into one syllable 
if the meaning is not lost, but would anyone ever let me use the word 
Jap or Nip?

Apologies to all if this discussion has already been hashed out.
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Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: TV Show: 48hrs The War on Pornography
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:53:24 GMT

On CBS tomorrow, at 10pm/9pm Central, will be a _48 Hours_ show titled
"Porn in the U.S.A.

- Carl
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Xref: sparky alt.censorship:8929 misc.writing:3580
From: efird_mk@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,misc.writing
Subject: Re: A gender neutral pronoun, was Fundamentalist Nightmare
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:29:52 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC




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In article <1992Nov11.182849.10775@thinkage.on.ca>, jim@thinkage.on.ca (James Alan Gardner) writes:
> I've been a technical writer for 12 years, working for several
> companies over that time, and I've never found it necessary to
> use gender-exclusive language.  Some tips:
> 



> (a)  Use the second person.  "If you want to log in, enter your
>      password."  Not only is this gender-neutral, but it's plainer
>      to most people than third person.  ("If the user wants to
>      log in, he/she/it should enter his/her/its password.")
> 
> (b)  Use plurals rather than singulars.  "Programmers may set
>      their own options."  Again, this is good plain English.  I've
>      found that plurals are often easier to understand than
>      singulars, precisely because the pronouns are easier.



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exit
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> 
> (c)  Use simple designators.  "Suppose X wants to send a message
>      to Y.  First X must find out Y's userid."  This technique
>      is less common in spoken English, but invaluable in documentation.
>      By using symbols like X and Y, you can often explain things
>      more clearly and precisely than by using pronouns.
> 
> (d)  Use specific names with gender balance.  "Suppose Gertrude
>      wants to send a message to Heathcliff.  First she must find
>      out his userid."  This technique makes no assumption about
>      the gender of the reader, and it implies that both genders
>      may use the product.  Yes, the passage uses gender-specific
>      pronouns, but not in a way that excludes either gender.  (By
>      the way, I find that using names from fiction is a neat
>      trick, provided that your employer isn't the stodgy type.
>      Such names can perk up your readers and catch their attention,
>      never a bad thing in the middle of dry technical material.
>      It also sidesteps other biases.  For example, if you used
>      names like John and Mary, you're projecting the feel of a
>      WASP universe, whatever your intentions may be.  Using names
>      like Lois and Clark, Robin and Marian, Hamlet and Ophelia,
>      etc. has less of the feel of bias.)
>      
> Really, folks, with a little ingenuity, you can avoid gender-exclusive
> language AND NO ONE WILL EVER NOTICE.  You can easily choose your words
> so that the question never comes up...and that's the whole point of
> technical writing.  Technical writing is intended to *convey
> information* with a minimum of distraction.  Gender-exclusive
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Newsgroups: alt.censorship
From: Reader <Reader@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Sex Censorship
X-Xxdate: Sat, 21 Nov 92 14: 47:02 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: tnb1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:42:49 GMT

In article <apohl.722154508@unixg.ubc.ca> Derrick Pohl,
apohl@unixg.ubc.ca writes:
>Recently all sex-related newsgroups have been banned from the usenet here
>at the University of British Columbia. 

Cornell just shut all of these down yesterday.  Seems someone here was
posting kiddie porn. Made the national news.  I wonder what they were
majoring in?
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex,soc.culture.japan
From: mpevans@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Genitals in Japan( was Madonna...)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 11:41:57 GMT

rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:

>keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:

>>Carl's phrase "Stragne people, the Japanese.." sums up my opinion when
>>it comes to their attitude to pornography and exposure of genitals 
>>etc. Someone mentioned that General MacArthur's present to Japan,
>Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex,soc.culture.japan
>Subject: Re: Genitals in Japan( was Madonna...)
>References: <1992Nov1.001627.15011@actrix.gen.nz> <1992Nov2.032948.14849@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <jwb.720750843@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> <1992Nov3.043239.21945@utagraph.uta.edu> <1d81hoINNiu7@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>

>keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:

>>Why can't they [the Japanese] admit a simple fact that
>>they did a horrible thing during/before WWII and that human
>>beings have public [sic] hair and genitals and do make love!

>Because it's not a simple fact. It would involve a national loss of face,
>which is something most Japanese I have met would not suffer gladly. The
>Japanese, as any Japanese-surnamed individual ought to know, are
>particularly thin-skinned about criticism, especially when it comes
>from gaijin (read: racial inferiors, i.e., the rest of the world).

Have the rest of the world admitted the nasty things they did in WWII?

I mean just think if the US said "well we didn't want to allow the red army 
time to get there, and we had a weapon which needed a field test....."
Xref: sparky alt.censorship:8996 alt.sex:37221 soc.culture.japan:11228
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Who started all this gaijin myth?! (was Re: Genitals in Japan)
From: bigbro@netlink.cts.com (Kenneth Sullivan)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 12:42:13 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

> 
> 
> Again we see the slippery Japanese language in action. In fact, there
> aren't many words in Japanese that can be pinned down as deliberately
> insulting the way American swear words are. My point was not to flame the
> word "gaijin" itself, but the attitude behind it. I am a "hakujin", which
> is another semi-derogatory word. My Japanese friends use the word
> "gaikokujin" (person from another country) to spare my feelings, where a
> simple "gaijin" might seem to them impolite. It's as if I were to call
> someone a foreigner in English. The delivery would be everything. The word
> can be insulting or impartial. But my real point is that the Japanese do
> regard everyone outside their group (however that group may be defined at
> the moment) as in some sense "gaijin" or "outside people." 
> -- 
> =============================================================================
>   "The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who have
>   loved it." -- George Santayana                 Reply to: rhb@world.std.com
> =============================================================================

Well what group out there does not regard oustiders as ousiders?  Most 
people in a group have come love of come group they are in, and feel 
threatened by others outside this group.

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Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex,soc.culture.japan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:49:23 EST
From: <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> (your worst nightmare)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship
Subject: Re: restriction on awful photos

>Audience may switch channel

 Not if they can't find their remote ;)

>It effects children

 What doesn't...this is the 90's, viewing death and violence is normal (pretty
 scarry)

>May scare those that want to join the army

 Hey, that's part of army life...if you can't hack pictures..how are you gonna
 face the real thing and why join the army..to be just another expendable gov't
 pawn (I served (wasted) 2 years if any of you military dudes are reading this)


 By the way if you didn't notice...I'm totally opposed to any kind of gov't cen
 sorship.



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Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.sex
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: TV Show: 48hrs The War on Pornography
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:24:56 GMT

kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

>On CBS tomorrow, at 10pm/9pm Central, will be a _48 Hours_ show titled
>"Porn in the U.S.A.

    Additionally, it appears that Dateline NBC at 10pm/9pm tonight will
have the topic of "Children and pornography", according to the local paper.

--
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      "Who can doubt that pleasure is the only goal of a reasoned life?"
                                                   -- Epicurus
From: thomas@maths.tcd.ie (Thomas Bridge)
Subject: Restrictions about pro-life meetings
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:31:08 GMT


I am shocked, amazed, horrified at the hypocrisy of certain elements of the
Pro-Choice movement in Trinity College, Dublin.

For those of you not in the know, Ireland has been in the middle of an abortion
contraversy since January for various complicated reasons which I will not go
into here.

As a consequence, we are going ot have a referendum on November 26th to decide
wether to change 
1.  The rules on abortion (should we maintain the status-quo, introduce limited
abortion, or ban it all together (that will take another referundum as its not
an option this time round)).
2.  The right of women to travel abroad because under the law the courts can
restrict this if they think the woman may have an abortion while abroad.
3.  The right to supply abortion referral in Ireland (currently not available)

Of course, the pro-choice section in Trinity want proposal three accepted on thegrounds that it restricts the "Freedom of Information".

One of the pro-life supporting groups in the college spent last Monday morning 
putting up posters advertising a meeting of the group about abortion.  A group
or individual (presumably pro-choice) spent Monday afternoon tearing them down 
again.  It can be argued that restricting abortion information is a form of
censorship.  But surely, under the same logic, the tearing down of pro-life
posters is censorship, and therefore equally as much a denial of one's right
to have complete Freedom of information.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Thomas Bridge.
 
18 Westland Row,                         Abortion is murder for profit. Stop
Trinity College Dublin,                  the Holocaust now!
Ireland.

e-mail: thomas@maths.tcd.ie 
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,uiuc.civil-liberty,rec.arts.comics
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [Daily Illini] Local Dahmer book author appeals injunction
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:36:12 GMT

According to our campus paper last week:

"A local publisher said Wednesday that he will appeal a Wisconsin
injunction that prohibits him from selling and distributing a comic
book based on the Jeffrey Dahmer serial murders."


If you have "gopher", you can find the newspaper story with the command:

gopher  -p "1/News/Daily Illini Newspaper/1992/November/19" gopher.cso.uiuc.edu


- Carl

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