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From: jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca (jeff bamford)
Subject: RE: Federation Starships
Originator: jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca
Organization: Audio Research Group, University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:27:31 GMT


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	I must agree with the original poster on this subject.  I, too,
have always found that the Enterprise is suspiciously out-matched by
the new races which they encounter.  Contrary to any posts which try
to dispute this by stating one or two counterexamples, it is the exception,
not the rule, that they can overpower some ship (to all who cite the
Pakleds' ship as such: note that Geordi indicated that the Enterprise
would have been destroyed by their make-shift torpedoes).

	I would like to add an additional beef to this: not only is
the Enterprise overpowered, but most of the time the writers seem to
underestimate the full power of this ship.  I can't count the number 
of times Bird of Prey's have critically damaged the shields or hull
with two or three shots.  In fact, in the episode with the Klingon
Sleeper ship, the shields are damaged a bit more than you would expect
from 75-year-old weaponery.  I thought up this scenario which epitomizes
this fact:

Picard: "Mr. Data, scan the new-found-race's ship; what is their weapon
	 capability?"

Data: "Scanning; the alien ship is equiped with a 19-Century-Earth-style
       gatling gun, sir."

<Alien in spacesuit emerges from ship; goes to gun and starts turning crank>

Worf: "They are opening fire, sir!"

<Bridge shakes wildly; Worf flies over rail and rolls down ramp>

Data: "Decks 4 through 18 losing life support, sir."

Geordi (from engineering): "Sheilds buckling, Captain!  I'm losing the
	   antimatter containment field, and goping to have to initiate
	   a core dfump immediately!"

Data: "We will not withstand another round, sir."


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From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Favorite TOS Episodes
Date: 29 Sep 92 10:06:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University


Someone was asking if anyone knew the Favorite Episodes of the assorted 
actors on Star Trek.  I don't have any knowledge of which episodes the
actors particularly liked, but I do have a list of Gene Roddenberry's
Favorites.   Enjoy!



                       MY FAVORITE VOYAGES

                       BY GENE RODDENBERRY

As Printed in the T.V. Guide, Aug.31-Sept.6 issue of 1991.



     1)  Amok Time
          Spock enters the Vulcan mating cycle and must marry or
          die.

     2)  Balance of Terror
          The Enterprise battles an invisible Romulan ship

     3)  The City on the Edge of Forever
          Time-traveling to 1930's Earth, Kirk falls for an
          idealistic social worker.

     4)  The Devil in the Dark
          To protect her young, a rock-burrowing creature is
          killing miners on Janus VI.

     5)  The Enemy Within
          Kirk splits into two beings: one Jekyll, one Hyde.

     6)  The Menagerie
          Spock hijacks the Enterprise to save the crippled Capt.
          Pike.

     7)  The Naked Time
          A virus reduces the Enterprise crew's inhibitions.

     8)  The Return of the Archons
          Kirk comes to the aid of a planet ruled by a computer
          named Landru.

     9)  Where No Man Has Gone Before
          An Enterprise officer mutates and declares himself a
          god.

     10) The Trouble with Tribbles
          A bunch of cute, fast-multiplying fluff-balls overrun the
	  ship.

Marg
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Troi's uniform.
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:59:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.134001.130733@watson.ibm.com> rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers) writes:
>>The uniforms were a one piece "jumpsuit" type in the first season of TNG.
>>They went to a two-piece uniform because many of them men found it quite
>>uncomfortable when they sat down as it did tend to "ride up" in certain
>>areas.  I believe the uniform change came in season 2.
>>
>
>   FYI, the uniform change came in season 3 (not that its a biggie) :-).
>IMHO, the old uniforms were FUGLY!  However, the unifroms in "Yesterday's
>Enterprise" were excellent!

Yes, but they still haven't solved the problem of giving her a symmetric
neckline.  I don't know if it's intentional, or just a problem of
tight tops on, er, full-figured women, but any time Marina Sirtis has a
low neckline on her uniform, it always "points" to one side or the other.
(Personally, I find it a bit distracting.  But then, I thought the first
season of TNG should have been retitled "Star Trek: The Large-Busted Women".
I can't help but wonder if that was a ratings tactic...)
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP000)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: RE: Modern THEORIES and Reality (was RE: S.O.S. signal!)
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:30:07 GMT
Organization: McGill University
Follow-Up: rec.arts.startrek.tech

In article <BvCG00.AGD@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Sylvain Chamberland) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.154217.687@altair.selu.edu> scsd1005@altair.selu.edu (Terry Cooper) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep25.164850.15170@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger) writes:
>>     [...stuff deleted]
>>
>>> Few things annoy me more than the phrase "but time travel is NOT possible,
>>> so this whole thing is irrelevant", this is like the phrase "travel faster
>>> than the speed of sound is impossible", or other similiar naive comments.
>>> I don't mean to flame anyone here, but no-one has the authority to say
>>> "it's not possible" about ANYTHING, we just don't KNOW!  For all we know
>>> Einstein could be completely wrong about relativity (after all it IS only
>>> a POSTULATE) he could be close in the sense that Newtonian physics is close,
>>> but not correct.
>>>
>>> and if anyone even thinks about mentioning a paradox to do with travel
>>> back in time I won't answer for the consequences.......
>>>
>>It doesn't matter how annoyed you get. You obviously do NOT
>>understand the principles involved. For example, you equate "FTL
>>travel is impossible" with "Time travel backward is impossible."
>>When we say that FTL travel is not possible, we are speaking in
>>terms of our present knowledge of the laws of the physical
>>universe. It is entirely possible that as our knowledge increases
>>we will be able to achieve FTL travel by utilizing technology
>>based on a new understanding of physics.
>>
>>New technology based on new scientific discoveries may well
>>enable us to achieve FTL travel. If that happens, there's no
                                                            ^^
>>reason to believe that causality becomes subject to violation.
  ^^^^^^
Actually, different frames of reference will have different points
of view as to the order in which events take place so causality
violation *is* expected to occur as a result of FTL travel.  This was
discussed in rec.arts.startrek.tech: RE:Subspace 101.  Jason Hinson
managed to avoid causality violation by using a special frame (which
implies that Einstein was essentially wrong) while I contended that
causality violation is not a concern in a universe that already exibits
time travel.
>>
>>Such are
>>the characteristics of shallow thinkers and uninformed minds.

Heh.

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From: gill@physics.ubc.ca (Arnold Gill)
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 06:13:12 GMT

Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

>Margaret Bonano does not, to the best of my knowledge, have an e-mail
>address.  I don't think she's on any nets.  However, she has enough friends
>that are that, if you post a general notice on Compuserv (for example)
>word will be gotten to her and you will quite likely get a speedy reply.

     Thanks, but without any CompuServ access, I unfortunately have no means
of leaving the message there.  Oh well.  <sigh>  It would be nice to have a
copy of her original story, but I can do without.  :-)

--
Arnold Gill --- astrophysician trainee in exile             gill@physics.ubc.ca
From: scsd1005@altair.selu.edu (Terry Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Modern THEORIES and Reality (was RE: S.O.S. signal!)
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:17:19 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

In article <BvLvuB.MGD@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos) writes:
     [...deletion]

>> ...                 , there *is* a contradiction. Why did they
>>go back 500 years to SF? Because they found Data's head! But why
>>was Data's head there to be found? Because they went back! ...
     [...deletion]
>>      ...terry

> Actually, there is no contradiction regarding Data's head if you expand your
> statement to include all the facts, instead of deleting most of them.

    [...much stuff deleted]

No flame, it's just that your statement is incorrect. In TA1, the
Enterprise was called to Earth and the crew shown the anomalies
in the cavern beneath San Francisco. Picard (or Riker or Data or
someone) specifically asked why *they* (meaning the Enterprise)
were called to investigate, given that the archaeologists and
other scientists on Earth had all the expertise and equipment
they needed to carry out an investigation.  THEN they were shown
Data's head and other items found in the cavern.

The whole thing began because the Enterprise was called to
investigate the anomalous readings and items in the cavern. And
the reason it was called is that Data's head was one of those
items.

My statement stands. Finding Data's head is what initiated the
Enterprise's involvement, which led to the sequence of events
that you quite accurately described, including Data's head
getting blown off and left in the mine shaft to be found 500
years later that initiated the Enterprise's involvement which
led ....   Do you see now see problem?

I can show that 2 = 1 if I am permitted to violate the
restriction against dividing by zero. Likewise, I can show that
time travel backward is possible if I am permitted to violate
causality. In both cases I shall have strayed from the realm of
science into the realm of mysticism. It might be fun, but it
*ain't* science.

    regards,
      ...terry
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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:19:24 GMT

In article <66978@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>So let's see.  That's two who don't buy hardcovers (and never go to libraries
>apparently) and one who doesn't read Trek novels at all.
>
>It's so heartening to work hard for an appreciative audience.
>

Sounds like "a smart consumer" to me. Why shell out big bucks for a 
hardcover when one can get precisely the same content for much cheaper
by waiting a few months? Not to mention hearing what other readers have
to say about the book first (a wise practice for Trek novels these days).

As for your comments about "libraries", libraries are pretty random about
carrying books less than a year old. It's not really worth my time to go
down there just to track down a Trek novel before it comes out in paperback.


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From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon)
Subject: Re: Favorite Trek ENDINGS
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:49:07 GMT

In article <162@newave.newave.mn.org> john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes:
>In <1992Oct2.154001.4043@news.nd.edu> mkelly@dumpster.helios.nd.edu writes:
>> I suppose my favorite ending is from Journey to Babel [...]
>
>My favorite TNG ending is currently "The Hunted".  In this show, an
>escaped prisoner turns out to be a former soldier who was brainwashed
>and altered to be a killing machine.  When Picard protests his being in
>in prison despite having committed no crime, Picard is told that this
>is a "matter of internal security" and the big E has no jurisdiction.
>

    I have two, one from each series.  My favorite comic ending, although
    I generally hate the episode, is from _A Piece of the Action_.  It's
    great when Bones reveals that he left his communicator ( phaser, tri-
    corder, or something ) on the gangster's planet, and then Kirk slyly
    remarks that, "...they will want a piece of OUR action!".  ;-)

    My favorite dramatic ending is without question the ending from _Sins
    of the Father_.  Fabulous ritual, great dramatic music, great disgus-
    ted stare from Worf...

        	        	       	       	       	       	       	       
                                                               - Max

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From: dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Star Trek VII ???
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:40:45 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <6suuRB4w165w@scilab.lonestar.org> david@scilab.lonestar.org (david burgess) writes:
>11dhackett@gallua.gallaudet.edu (DJH) writes:
>> 	I would like to know whether you will provide any updated information
>> about the Star Trek part VII movie lately. If so, please post that info into
>> this newsgroup.
> 
>I am not flaming you, but I SERIOUSLY DOUBT there will ba a ST part VII 
>movie ANY TIME soon or even AT ALL. The two main characters played by 
>W. Shatner and L. Nimoy said that they don't want to be in another ST 
>movie. If you mean the ST:VI movie (The Undiscovered Country), it is out 
>on video, "I believe". At least in Dallas, TX USA.
>
Shatner appeared on Arsenio and Dennis Miller on two consecutive nights
a few months ago.  On both shows he said he had written a plot outline
for STVII and submitted it to Paramount, and was 
waiting for their response.  Nimoy was the reluctant one, saying something
along the lines of "I feel Paramount has put us out to pasture".  In any
case, Shatner is has said on natl TV that he will do a VII.  My opinion
is that if Paramount dangles a few million dollars in front of Nimoy
and gives him some creative control, he would also participate.
Also, I think that if Shatner holds out for creative control, they 
should be happy with STVI and start looking towards Next Gen movies.



-- 
Don Dianetti  --  SUNY at Buffalo  --  dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu
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From: david@scilab.lonestar.org (david burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Probe" and "Imzadi"
Date: 5 Oct 92 05:44:26 GMT
Organization: Science Lab; Arlington, Texas

robertll@sdf.lonestar.org (Robert Loper) writes:
> 
> I bought _Imzadi_ in hardback, and I feel it was worth every penny.
> It's nice to know I can buy a Star Trek book (once in a while) by the
> author's name only, and know in advance it will be a good book.
I totally agree with on "Imzadi".

			Don't Eat Yellow Snow

David Burgess
david@scilab.lonestar.org
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Model Painting
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:13:15
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
In-reply-to: jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca's message of 29 Sep 92 21:56:26 GMT

>>>>> On 29 Sep 92 21:56:26 GMT, jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Michael Farmer) said:

jfarmer> What are the best colours for the main colour of the
jfarmer> Enterprise-D to be used to paint the model?  And does anyone
jfarmer> now anything about fibre optics?

An issue or 2 back of Fine Scale Modeler Magazine, had an article
about running fiber optic cables in a model of the Batmobile. You
could check that out. As for color, I would suggest a medium shade of
grey and highlight panels with off set shades of grey...

--
 Scott Streeter                             Keeper of the Star Wars Archive
 ss@wpi.wpi.edu                             wpi.wpi.edu        130.215.24.1
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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Non-existent racism in Time's Arrow (I and II)
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:22:31 GMT

Did anyone notice how strange it was that only a few years after the  
Emancipation Proclamation that Guinan and/or Geordi can:

* walk around freely (no hassles, no insults, no problems aside from the
  problems of the story); nobody thinks it's weird to see black folks 
  wandering.
  about as if they were 'just another town citizen'.
* Guinan can be weathy.
* Guinan can be the toast of the town and have a party with white people.
* NOBODY questioned either of their skin colors while dealing with town folk.
* be taken to (or enter even if not a patient) what *MUST* have been a
  whites-only hospital.

I could see it if these two were approached as if they were just-freed slaves,  
or if they were constantly being bothered because people didn't feel  
comfortable being around them.  Yet nowhere in the story (although in Samuel  
Clemens' talk with Deanna Troi in the turbolift, he explcitly mentions problems  
that plague our society.  Among them, prejudice.) is racism even MENTIONED.

They called Data an albino, but they called Guinan nothing but 'Madam Guinan'  
(and where in hell would they come about thinking the name "Guinan" was in any  
way 'normal' for that town and that time period?).

To answer the obvious rebuttal, "Perhaps, but this is a science fiction show  
and not a political one."  This show is most certainly a political show.  Their  
stories often speak of their positions on poverty, sexism, inter-species  
chauvinism and so on.  Yet, they cannot give a PASSING MENTION to racism at one  
of the most racist times in our history?  C'mon, this is way off.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
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From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Picard + Kirk (Was re: Pic
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 23:43:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.13

Shacha Ryan!

[rn]  But this is no excuse for giving the people of Vaal "the apple", for
      example, or supplying arms to the tribe in "A Private Little War",
      instead of going after the real baddies, the Klingons.

In "The Apple", there wasn't any development at all, so the PD does not
apply. And: Someone has to have put that snake-computer there before, nobody
knows who that might have been.
If you say, in "A Private Little Ware", he may not interfere by giving them
weapons, then he wasn't allowed to go after the real baddies, either! Here,
he wasn't allowed to do anything but watch his friends being killed!

[rn] It's easy to moralise when standing back and looking at it in
     perspective;

True!

Oyori - Sem [from Northern Germany]
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From: phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley)
Subject: Re: Get a Life
Organization: Computer Technology Group, TAEX
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:40:47 GMT

In article <Sep.19.23.34.31.1992.16315@dimacs.rutgers.edu> magarell@dimacs.
rutgers.edu (christopher magarelli) writes:

>     I have always thought that the  "nursery rhyme" was the Bible and
>that the Talosian was specifically reffering to the concept of Hell.
>This would be in keeping with Star Trek's general "hosility"(for lack
>of a better word) toward religion.

What do you call the episode with the "Son" worshippers? Kirk said that he 
would like to witness the events again. Of course, then he zipped off to the 
next planet.
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From: 11dhackett@gallua.gallaudet.edu (DJH)
Subject: Star Trek VII ???
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:30:53 GMT


Hello trekkers!

	I would like to know whether you will provide any updated information

about the Star Trek part VII movie lately. If so, please post that info into

this newsgroup.

Live long and prosper,

Darryl Hackett

11dhackett@gallua.bitnet
11dhacke@gallux.gallaudet.edu

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From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Federation Starships
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:09:07 GMT

In article <BvI8Hw.90L@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca (jeff bamford) writes:
>	I must agree with the original poster on this subject.  I, too,
>have always found that the Enterprise is suspiciously out-matched by
>the new races which they encounter.  Contrary to any posts which try
>to dispute this by stating one or two counterexamples, it is the exception,
>not the rule, that they can overpower some ship

	Riiiggghhhhht.

	And you suppose there's any drama or suspense when the Big-E has
overwhelming firepower?

	And I suppose you must have liked TIMES ARROW II....(not to mention
kicking 90 lb. weaklings when they're down....)



-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW

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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Favorite Trek ENDINGS
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:08:06 GMT

In article <8359@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> hinson@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson) writes:
>I have canceled this article three times now for various reasons. Let's
>see if I can get it right this time:
>
>OK, I have never seen this thread in the time I have been here:
> 
>What is your favorite ending on a Star Trek show?  Perhaps it was
>humorous, or perhaps it provided a reflection on something that
>happened in the show.  So, name the episode, and maybe even give
>the reason you like the ending.

"Cost of Living". When the starfield came up, and the credits started
rolling, I knew that the Season 5 Night Terrors were over.

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