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From: aa317@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Porter)
Subject: Re: Picard's garbled dialogue in CoC2 (the LAST word!)
Reply-To: aa317@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Porter)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:20:31 GMT


In a previous article, wwadge@csr.UVic.CA (Bill  Wadge) says:
>aa317@Freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Porter) writes:
>>In a previous article, bw462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bucky Whaley) says:
>>>In a previous article, rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) says:
>>>>In a previous article, tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) says:
>>>...
>>>>>--Could someone with a closed-captioning decoder please let me know what 
>>>>>Picard's final lines are after "You cannot hurt me!"  I've gone over it 
>>>>>several times, but damned if I can make it out...
>>>...
>>>>	Sur la pont
>>>>	D'Avignon
>>>>	Loni danse, loni danse
>>>
>>>        L'on y danse, l'on y danse
>
>>Close... it's "on y danse, on y danse"--no  l's.  (Now its my turn to get
>>corrected!)
>
>Actually, it *is*   "L'on y danse, l'on y danse" because it is an old
>song in old French.  Nowadays, one would say "On y danse".
>
>"(L')on y danse" means, literally, "One danses there" but a more idiomatic
>rendering would be "that's where we danse" or "people danse there".
>
>Bill Wadge

Interesting... I had learned the song in modern French, I guess.  So, it
appears, had Jean-Luc Picard, because in CoC II he leaves out the "l" in
the one line from the song that he got out.  Check the tape!

...Nice to hear from a fellow hoser, Bill!  How's the weather out in Victoria?
-- 
Cheers, Mike
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From: jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca (jeff bamford)
Subject: Re: DS9 or DSN?
Organization: Audio Research Group, University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:50:32 GMT

In article <4679@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>In article <dust.725915040@manning> dust@cs.UAlberta.CA (Dust Jason Norman) writes:
><
><	I don't know if this has been mentioned before but the ST:TNG
><COMPANION shows Deep Space Nine abbreviated as "DS9" on page 207.
>
>I don't know about your copy of the book, but mine has the abbreviation on
>page 208.
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That's being a little too picky .  


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From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Ferengi & clothing (was: Re: Beverly heats up)
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:53:55 GMT

> From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
> Possible spoilers:
>
> In article <1992Dec20.032710.3283@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.
> >>It is my sincere belief that Beverly's induction of umaats in the Ferengi
> >
> >Not only that ... what about the *clothes* she was wearing?!?!?!?
> >She was covered from toe to neck ... Daimon Solok was howling!!
> >
> >(* ref. the episode about the Keeper of the Gate, and the Ferengi
> >away team started falling all over themselves 'cos Tasha was in a
> >uniform ...)
> >
> There is a line in Deep Space Nine on the press kit from the Ferengi Quark
> (the bar owner) about Major Kira (the Bajoran) after she threatens him to
> remove his hand from her hip:
>
> "I do love a woman in uniform (growl)."

Personally, I thought the reason Daimon Solock was so *ahem* arroused was
because Beverly was indulging in Ferengi foreplay by stroking his rather large
*ahem* ears.  I forget the episode title, but the one where Lwaxanna Troi is
kidnapped by the Ferengi it IS revealed that Ferengi find that having their
ears stroked is a prelude to actual sex.  I beleive Beverly, as a Doctor
trained in alien anatomy, would surely have known this and that is why she did
it. I'm sure she was repulsed by finding herself the sexual object to a
capitolist, male-chauvenist pig like the Daimon.  But then she does fancy
herself the consumate actress.

Just my opinion.
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Comments CoC I: Enterprise Crew are Whiners
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:00:38 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <105397@bu.edu> kuchar@buast7.bu.edu writes:

> 
> Spoilers may abound, proceed with caution:
> 
> 
> Did anyone think the crew was acting like a bunch of whiners when
> Jellico was given command.  Jellico seemed to be making the best of
> a bad situation and the E crew was making it more difficult for him.
> 
> They have two days to get ready for what may be a war with the
> Cardassians. Riker was making excuses that he didn't think that he
> could get the new shift schedules implemented in time so he didn't
> do it.  If I were Jellico I'd be irate too. Picard looked embarassed
> at Riker's performance, too.

  Well, they may be whining, but it seemed pefectly natural to me.  I've seen
it happen many times.  Old, well-liked boss leaves, new, take-charge guy re-
places him, and the workers get upset.  Their routines are messed up, what
was once perfect now has to be changed, etc.  They don't know what is good or
satisfactory in their jobs anymore.  Add to that the suddeness of the change,
and the knowledge that Jellico fully expects to be going into combat, and you
have all kinds of stress.

  And people have complained about changes to thier schedules and having to
do extra work since the first caveman picked up a rock to smash something.
So, while we can see at home that these folks have been grousing quite a bit,
it does not seem out of place.

> I find it difficult to believe that they couldn't adjust to a switch
> in command, or perhaps they didn't want to adjust. I would have
> thought they would be resigned to this fact of life in Star Fleet.

  But they still don't have to like it.  Remember, most of the crew has been
with Picard for 5 years -- long enough to feel a certain degree of perm-
anence.

> Jellico was correct. He doesn't have time for a honeymoon with the crew.

  Very true.  I loved the way he tossed the whole thing in Trio's lap!  And
the "good fed, bad fed" act with the Cardassians, while a bit trite, was fun
to watch.  Kinda reminded me of all those bluffs Kirk used tp pull.  Much as
I like Picard, I don't think I've ever seen him really go to the wall to bluff
someone.


semper fi,

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From: vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: Re:  Female Starfleet Officers--Who's Competent?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 17:51:17 EST

The discussion about Paramount's "putting down" women in authority
roles doesn't really wash, when you consider that, given population
distribution, the chances of meeting a female idiot are only slightly
greater than those of meeting a male idiot.
Furthermore, TNG has shown us several women in authority roles, who
HAVE proven themselves competent:
 
1.  The late Tasha Yar (only killed because of the Curse of the
    Red Shirts)
 
2.  Dr. Kate Pulaski (very good at bullying Picard and Data)

3.  Commander Shelby (from BOBW--fast at getting ideas and explain-
    ing them)
 
4.  The admiral of Unification

5.  The police chief in the episode where Dr. Crusher is kidnapped
    by a terrorist using unorthodox teleportation methods

6.  The ambassador in the episode featuring Lisa Wilcox as a
    deranged immortal assassin

7.  Ensign Ro

8.  The female Klingon/human ambassador (killed only because that's
    the only thing that would make Worf lose it completely)

9.  Capt. Rachel Garrett (killed only because that's the way war is)
 
10. Commander Sela (at least in her first true appearance)

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From: carl@class.gsfc.nasa.gov (Carl F. Hostetter)
Subject: Re: Emmy for Patrick Stewart
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NASA/GSFC
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:41:51 GMT

> >  I agree.  I also think he deserved an Emmy for his performance in the ST:TNG
> >  episode last year where he was taken over by a probe and experienced the 
> >  liftime of the man from the dying planet (name anyone?).
> 
> That episode was called "The Inner Light."
> --

I apologize if this has been discussed before (but I really doubt it!),
but coincidentally I was just listening to a Beatles song "The Inner
Light" (this is a George Harrison song, very far out Indian influence,
heavy sitar, the works), which is a statement of the transcendental
meditative philosophy, containing such lines as (paraphrase):
"Without going out of your door/ you can know all things on earth"
and "Arrive without travelling/ see all without looking", etc., etc.
Relevance to the title/theme of the ST:TNG episode?

|===================================================================|
|         Carl F. Hostetter      carl@class.gsfc.nasa.gov           |
|                                                                   |
|                    Ars longa, vita brevis.                        |
|          The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.            |
|  "I wish life was not so short," he thought.  "Languages take     |
|  such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about."  |
|===================================================================|
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Keywords: stupid question
Date: 2 Jan 93 17:18:44 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1i1mdsINNggu@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> molin@ptb.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin) writes:
>Worf does NOT deserve any respect.  Lately the CHief of Security (as
>you call him...) has been getting beat up on every episode.  How many
>times has he been shot recently?  The guy is always on his back when
>he's needed the most!

Would you care to name names?  The only episodes this season (11 episodes so
far) where he's been shot have been "Rascals" (an awful episode, and that was
one of the reasons why) and "Chain Of Command" (where he was in the rather
indefensible position of holding a door open waiting for Picard to follow him.)

>Compare his safety record to that of Tasha Yar, and you'll see he needs
>to go back to his mommy for defense lessons.

I'm not sure Yar has a much better record than Worf, in all of the 19 or so
episodes where she was chief of security.

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

    "What about you, Captain?" Krill asked.  "Do you seek death, or do you
run away from it?
    "Neither," Kiroth answered.  "Death seeks me.  It will find me in time.  
To run is simply a waste of energy.  To embrace death is sheer madness.  I 
await death.  When it comes, I will be ready."
    "To fight, or to flee?"
    Kiroth looked at his XO with barely contained horror.  "To die."
		- "Escape From The Holdfast", by Jim Hart; Captain's Log #8
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From: bwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Bev Woolf - Sysop)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: CoC II - What was left out? <Spoilers>
Date: 27 Dec 92 13:17:52 GMT
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In <1hjqraINNhir@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:

>
>
>
>If Worf, Bev, and Picard needed the Ferengi to get to the planet for their
>mission, how did they get off it?  I think this was explained by I just didn't
>follow.  Did the Ferengi actually wait for them?? (WHY would he?)
>

I can't remember exactly, but didn't Bev mention something about just making
it back to the Ferengi ship in time?


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From: mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi's rank
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:06:52 GMT
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Wes Welty (wcrusher@netlink.cts.com) wrote:
: what is her current reank and what will it be after "Chain of Command"?
: Send mail replies only please
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Her current rank is Lieutenant Commander.
Is there supposed to be a change?
mcelroy@acs.bu.edu
From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors in TNG
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:58:00 GMT
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Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On Thu, 31 Dec 92 06:21:16 GMT, msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu
(M. Lee Smallwood) wrote:

MLS>Deep Space Nine throws this all off (y'know the doctor wearing
MLS>green and whatever the first officer wears), but the uniform
MLS>rules (I guess) are QUITE different for space stations.

Actually, the chief medical officer, Dr. Bashir, has been shown wearing
blue.  It's the science officer, Lt. Dax, who's wearing green -- and it
IS a puzzle.  That seems to be the only aberration in the color-coding
scheme for DS9.  (The first officer is a Bajoran national and therefore
wears a Bajoran military uniform, not a Starfleet uniform.)

MLS>One last uniform thing: What was the grey thing with the
MLS>rainbow stripe across thtop that Wesley wore? Why dn't we see
MLS>more of these?

Civilian wear, I'd guess.  I never liked it.

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From: dave@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Dave Thompson)
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox?
Organization: Communications Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 13:07:58 GMT

In article <8036@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> chuckm@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Chuck Melikian) writes:
>In article <85290018@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>>He was the head honcho on Mars in Total Recall.
>
>Ronny Cox was also the Chief of the Beverly Hills Police Department in Beverly
>Hills Cop.
>
>Chuck
>

He also had a part in the Burt Reynolds flick "Deliverence". He played
one of the guys who travelled down the river in the canoes.

Dave.
From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Uniform Colors in TNG
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:09:00 GMT
Distribution: world
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Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On 28 Dec 92 17:49:43 GMT, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) wrote:

MR>I would disagree, given that Data (the science officer) wears a gold, not a
MR>blue, uniform.

Data is *not* the (or even A) science officer.  This has been stated
repeatedly by Rick Berman and Brent Spiner at cons.

MR>Gold    Hard Sciences, Engineering & Support Services (including Security)
MR>        (Data, LaForge, Worf, O'Brien)

What IS a "hard science"?  Maddox, a cyberneticist, wore blue in "The Measure
of a Man".  Ensign Janeway, a physicist, wore blue in "Schisms".

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From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Klingon From ST:VI In CoC (no spoilers)
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:38:40 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <1992Dec20.232518.26204@uumeme.chi.il.us> rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech) writes:
>
>Did anyone else notice that the one of the actors in the COC episode was 
>actualy the klingon (obviously as another person) that played the Chancelor
>of the Klingon empire before he got killed. (The one that McCoy tried to 
>save) It sounded just like him, I dont know the actors name, but can
>anyone confirm this?
>

    I agree with you.  You are talking about the Cardassian interrogator,
    right?  It must be the same guy who played Chancellor Gorkon in 
    STVI.

        	        	       	       	       	       	       	       
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From: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Jellico for Captain -- NOT
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:18:48 GMT
Reply-To: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Organization: sgi

In article <athos-281292110726@kip2-55.apple.com>, athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
|> In article <1hl1apINN8lh@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
|> (Bill Henley) wrote:
|> > 
|> > 
|> > Well, based on the ending of Chain of Command II, the rumor
|> > that Paramount is grooming Ronny Cox (Jellico) for permanent
|> > Captain on TNG is still credible.  (After Part One I thought
|> > he might turn out to be a traitor, which presumably would
|> > remove him from consideration.)  Does anyone have any inside
|> > information as to whether this is in fact under consideration
|> > if Patrick Stewart decides to quit at the end of his contract?
|> > I would like to know so that I can send a protest letter to
|> > Paramount if necessary.  Although Jellico was not quite as
|> > obnoxious a character in Part II as Part I, I really don't
|> > want to watch his adventures every week; I would rather see
|> > Riker take over as permanent captain.  (I realize there are
|> > people who actually like Jellico and would like to see him
|> > stay around, and they have a right to their opinion; but so
|> > do I.)
|> 
|> Riker taking over would be completely NOT normal.  It doesn't work that
|> way.  XO's have to take a smaller ship before getting the Flag Ship.  If
|> they give it to Riker, they will lose all sense of normalcy with me and I
|> will stop watching the show.  
|> 
|> ******************************************************************************
|> Rick Eames                               My Opinions Are My Own (not
|> Apple's)
|> athos@apple.com
|> Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Boxer.
|> ******************************************************************************

Did I miss something, I thought it was over after this season.

Hmmm.... well if Patrick quits, I vote for the sassy blonde.

About the blonde.. wasn't she the same woman as Riker's competition in
Best of Both worlds ?  If so, didn't she rise through the ranks awfully fast
to be reliving JLP of cammand?
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From: charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen)
Subject: Troi had at least one good line! (CoC episode)
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:19:10 GMT


Spoilers Ho...



From Chain of Command, in refence to the new Captain

Riker:  I'll say one thing for him, he's very sure of himself.
Troi:  No, he isn't. <--- in a very calm almost non-chalant voice

*This* to me is how she should be used.  She can see right past people's
facads and tell how they really feel, how they probably will act and why.
She was also useful in negotiations, being someone the others will trust
more easily than the Captain.  - Chuck


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