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From: matthew@ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel
Subject: Re: Eiffel Description
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:59:44 GMT
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Cambridge, UK

In article <1992Dec19.143052.21438@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes:

IW: Is there a 2-10 page description of Eiffel features?  I'd like to switch to
IW: a safer language than C++, and a number of  people mentioned Eiffel. I have
IW: no idea of what features it has.

I have a 14 page leaflet from Interactive Software Engineering Inc (the
original designers of Eiffel) called "Eiffel: An introduction".  This may be
what you're after.  The document has a number: TR-EI-3/GI and I would guess
that it is available directly from ISE at:

Interactive Software Engineering Inc.
270 Storke Road, Suite 7,
Goleta, CA 93117
USA

Phone: +1 805 685 1006  Fax: +1 805 685 6869.

N.B. This information is directly from the leaflet which was published in
1989 and so may well be out of date.  Would somebody kindly post a
correction if this is wrong...

Cheers,


Matthew
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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Eiffel for OS/2 V2 (32 bit) Available?
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:19:06 GMT

Does anyone know whether Eiffel has been ported to OS/2 v2?
v2 is 32-bit with a flat memory model. Thanks.

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From: Des.Kenny@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Eiffel Description
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:59:46 GMT
Summary: Eiffel on NeXT 
Keywords: Eiffel, Next 

In article <1992Dec19.143052.21438@mic.ucla.edu> iwelch@agsm.ucla.edu (Ivo Welch) writes:
> 
> Is there a 2-10 page description of Eiffel features?  I'd like to switch to
> a safer language than C++, and a number of  people mentioned Eiffel. I have
> no idea of what features it has.
> 
  One of the major features of Eiffel is the strong focus on reliability.
  Where reliability is defined to be correctness and robustness. By this
  definition correctness means consistently implementing the specification 
  and robustness means handling exceptions in a safe way to maximise fault
  tolerence. 

  Such issues of quality are a major focus in Eiffel and in the BON
  methodology for analysis, design, programming and maintenance.

  The primary source is "Eiffel the Language", Bertrand Meyer, Prentice Hall,
  1992. This book has been adopted as the definition of the language
  ( version 3) by the international standards body NICE
  ( Non-profit International Consortium for Eiffel). It has a 20 page
  introduction that summarises the main features of Eiffel 3.

  It is both a user manual and the language reference manual.

> I  would like   to get garbage  collection   and  type-safety,  as  well as
> (numeric-support) features such as operator overloading and IEEE awareness,
> linking with Fortran/C  (and C++) code,  a  debugging facility, and  modern
> data/object structures. Speed  is  important  but  not  so important as  to
> preclude simple automatic run-time checks.
> 
> Is there a trial/real version of Eiffel that runs on NeXT computers?
> 
  Yes there is a version of Eiffel for NeXT.

  contact : Darcy Harrison 
  email: Darcy@eiffel.com



  -- Des Kenny
     Objective Methods Ltd
     PO Box 17356
     Wellington
     phone: 64 4 476 9499
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From: mb108@cs.city.ac.uk (omo ADELAKUN T K)
Subject: Request for FAQ
Organization: City University, London
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 18:10:08 GMT

Could anyone send me a copy of the latest FAQ for this newsgroup? I'm
(as you may've guessed) an infrequent visitor. 

Many thanx in advance,
Toyin.
From: mod@cs.man.ac.uk (Mike O'Docherty (Teaching Company Associate))
Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel
Subject: ISE 3.0 Compiler
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:00:39 GMT

Does anybody have any hard information about the
release date of ISE's Eiffel 3.0 compiler, or details
of any available beta-test version?

Please?

E-mail if you prefer.

Thanks, Mike.

Internet: mod@cs.man.ac.uk, wet string: (+44) 061 223 1301 ext. 2343
Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel
From: ctaylor@cs.uiuc.edu (Conrad Taylor)
Subject: Intro. to Eiffel Books...???
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:29:50 GMT

         I was wondering, has anyone authored an intro. to the Eiffel
programming language other than "Eiffel: The Language" that is a bit
more on the practical side of the language (with complete source code
examples (intro. programming to data structures) and with great coverage
of OOP concepts) ?  I have also read OOSC, but I have yet to see a
complete Eiffel program in a text book.  If anyone know of such a text,
please send me e-mail.  In short, I'm looking for the equivalent of a
into. Pascal and full coverage of data structure book implemented for
the Eiffel programming language.  I would like to write one but I don't
have access to an Eiffel compiler at this time and I'm still learning
OOP concepts.  Thanks in advance to all that reply to this post.

-Con

ps: My e-mail is ctaylor@silver.lcs.mit.edu.
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Forth in print
Date: 25 Dec 92 10:08:44 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 4,  Topic 7
Message 177       Mon Dec 07, 1992
L.ZETTEL [Len]               at 21:36 EST
 
 Forth got some mention in the letters column of the November 1992 issue 
 of Manufacturing systems (pp7-8).  Letter by George Shaw (do we know him? 
 ;-)) response from Dick Morley of Flavors Technology: 
 "...These three languages-Paracell, Common LISP, and Forth - share some 
 very important traits: they are all interactive, incrementally compiled 
 languages.  I view Forth as the chain saw of the bunch: don't hand it to 
 a novice without a lot of supervision, but if you need speed and 
 compactness and low-level manipulation of the machine, there's no finer 
 substitute..."
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From: mikc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Mike Coughlin)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Re: About Forth for the DEC Rainbow
Date: 1 Jan 1993 17:39:39 GMT
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In article <2349@sousa.tay.dec.com> secrist@msdsws.enet.dec.com (Strong datatypes for weak minds.) writes:
>
>Any generic CP/M-80 or MS-DOS BIOS-based, "ASCII console-type interface" 
>Forth would be suitable for a Digital Rainbow, e.g. Uniforth, LMI, F83,
>FIG, etal.  
>
    The DEC Rainbow can run MS-DOS software, but it is not as PC clone.
Most PC software does not run on it because most PC software assumes the 
computer has PC video displays. The I/O routines that work on the Rainbow
are too slow to be popular. In addition, the Rainbow wants ANSI terminal
cusor control codes.
    There are a lot of tricks, patches and a conversion program to get 
IBM-PC programs to work on the Rainbow. I've tried a few programs on 
the Rainbow as well as the similarly handycapped Televideo MS-DOS & CP/M
computer from the same era. The one program that worked was F83. On the 
Rainbow I had to follow the directions for customizing the editor commands
for a specific computer terminal. When I substituted ANSI codes for the 
IBM-PC codes, everything worked fine.


-- 
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From: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us (Doug Philips)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Willet, ForthNet, and FNEAS back ONline.
Date: 25 Dec 92 10:12:13 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U


	Just a note to let everyone know that the gateway from ForthNet
into comp.lang.forth, and FNEAS service are back on-line.  After cleaning
up the dust and interminable tweaking of a new tape drive controller, things
are back to "normal."  I should be able to post the FAQ messages soon.  All
received FNEAS requests have been processed.  If you haven't gotten an
answer by now, please resubmit your request.

	Happy Holidays all!

	-Doug
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Subject: Forth Books For Beginners
From: ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie)
Date: 29 Dec 92 11:46:06 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 2,  Topic 23
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 Does anyone have a list of texts or manuals that would be useful
 to a hobbyist programmer that would deal with forth in a PC
 environment? Your comments/replies/suggestions would be greatly
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Subject: New FAQ messages posted.
From: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us (Doug Philips)
Date: 2 Jan 93 01:04:11 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

I have just posted revamped FAQ messages for comp.lang.forth.  Please
note that the 'From:' address is different than the 'From:' address for
the old FAQ messages.  Enjoy!

-Doug

P.S.  Since this is a major reorganization, there is a good chance that
I've screwed up, or have just plain lost some new materials.  If so, please
let me know so that I can make the correction.  Thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Recursion
Date: 1 Jan 93 12:49:58 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 3,  Topic 13
Message 15        Thu Dec 31, 1992
H.SIMMONS                    at 00:59 EST
 
RE: Recursion and Quick Sort

Joe,

One of the references you are looking for is in FORTH Dimensions Vol.6 No. 5,
Page 25 by Wil Baden.  The title is Quicksort and SWords; it  provides source
code and an explanation of implementing quick sort using  recursion. 

There are two pages on recursion in Forth: A Text and Reference on page 337-
338, but not specific to your question.

There are several programs in Dr. Dobb's Toolbook of Forth, Volume II, which
use recursion.  See the chapter on fractal landscapes or on natural language
parsing.  The Wil Baden article on quick sort is also in this book.

Good Luck!
                 Horace
      
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From: John_Somerville@mindlink.bc.ca (John Somerville)
Subject: Re: Forth Books For Beginners
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:08:02 GMT

You might try either: Starting Forth or Mike Ham's LMI Forth tutorial. There
is a PD (or shareware version of LMI's Forth on the boards which goes with
the book). You could phone LMI at (310) 306-3530 or FAX them at (310)
301-0761. It seems to me that LMI is the only vendor in sight that is moving
along with changes in the 80x86 environment. I use their UR FORTH and like it
a lot.

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Subject: Re: What version of Forth to use?
From: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us (Doug Philips)
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:37:11 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

In article <ByHEG8.IE0@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>,
	broehl@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Bernie Roehl) writes:

+[At the risk of sounding like a clueless newbie...]

+Which of the various free Forth implementations should I use for a project
+I'm working on?

+I've looked at the Forths available on wuarchive.wustl.edu in the directory
+mirrors/msdos/forth; the ones I've actually used are eforth, pygmy13, fig86
+and min4th25.  Of those, I like eforth (though it seemed to be missing a few
+things, like double-precision (32-bit) values).

+Whichever one I use, I want it to be small and fast.

Just wanted to let you know that WUARCHIVE's mirror of SIMTEL20 (which is
what you were looking at, in case you weren't sure), is very out of date.
SIMTEL20 is only interested in MSDOS files, but luckily there is an FTP site
that now holds a mirror of most of the FIG library on GEnie.  Info about
the site will be posted later on today (or the weekend).  

Again, I just wanted to let everyone know that the Forth files on SIMTEL20
(or any of its mirrors) are very old, and that the collection itself, even
as just MSDOS files, is very incomplete.

-Doug Philips
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From: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Subject: documenting
Reply-To: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 1 Jan 93 14:16:34 EST

PP>There is really no need to have the commas  after the ASSEMBLER words

The commas are not after, rather part of the asm words.  Marking the asm
words probably has something to do with Pygmy vocabulary structure.  I
imagine you could change them to anything else distinctive you wanted.
I myself don't care for PUSH and POP for return stack terminology -
similar minor confusion.

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Subject: Help for F-PC and TCOM
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:11:51 GMT
Organization: EIEI-U

Category 7,  Topic 35
Message 29        Tue Dec 29, 1992
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 RW>I am currently using F-PC v3.55. I would like to find string handlers
   >that are like BASIC's LEN$, MID$, RIGHT$, and LEFT$.  If anyone has any
   >words for these or knows were I can get them let me know via this BBS.
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 I got some string stuff from the above board. One was by G T
 Hawkins, but I don't the ZIP name. There is also some string
 stack stuff by Ron Briathwaite called STRING.ZIP and STRING2.ZIP.
 It has what you are looking for in MID, LEFT, RIGHT. You could
 also try the RCFB (Real Time Control Forth Board (look for a --
 jax-- tagline for the number). I tried to meta compile the stuff
 into FPC 3.55 but never got it to work, and I could not figure
 out how to fix it. I just don't know forth well enough to debug
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From: jax@well.sf.ca.us (Jack J. Woehr)
Subject: Re: Any PD forth for CP/M-86 ?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:53:24 GMT

In <2502@itexjct.jct.ac.il> jacobsen@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Joel Jacobsen) writes:


> I need a PD forth for CP/M-86 for using the GSX capabilities on a 
>DEC rainbow. Any help?

>      Joel

	You could easily port Laxen & Perry F83 from CP/M-80 version
or MSDOS version. Both available on the RealTime Control & Forth Board,
number in .signature below \/\/\/

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From: jax@well.sf.ca.us (Jack J. Woehr)
Subject: Re: Forth books
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 01:54:50 GMT

In <9212242225.AA00627@im4> dmiller@im.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller) writes:

>Again, Jack Woehr prefers to take a dig and miss the point.  He says:

	...

>Whether or not your Forth book is in the same class as this excellent one, 
>I don't expect that it will be in the same series.  If this is correct, 
>please honor prior Forth authors by considering some different and more 
>original style than the "FORTH:" opening word for your book's title.  
> 

	Dick, aside from your original insult that I named the book
to leverage off of someone else's work, I have told you the history
of the title. I will repeat it here.

	I sold the book to M&T as "Embedded Systems Programming in
ANS Forth". My editor prompted me for a new title. After several tries,
I came up with "ANS Forth: Programming the New Model". This was shortened
by M&T to "ANS Forth: the New Model". ANSI objected to the title one
day before the book was due to press. The lawyers took out the "ANS"
and made it "Forth: the New Model." M&T made this change the night of
the final proofing for publication. I was not specifically informed
of this change in the title until two or three days after the book
went to press. I have no objection to the new title, and I would
like to hear if Kelly or Spies object.

>THAT's the point, to honor the prior Forth authors.  Not to take advantage, 
>while claiming to be technically correct.  Not to be cute.  Not to be 
>nasty.  Try it, you'll like it!

	I think there is little chance the reader will mistake my
notorious name for the honorable Kelly & Spies, authors of the
classical opus you cite. I have recommended that if you have any further
questions, you refer this to my publisher, whose name and address I
have given you in email. You have not replied to that email.

	Besides, you curmudgeon, you're just sore because you made a
fool of yourself on the net a few weeks ago saying, "Trust me,
NO publisher" will ever again touch a Forth book (because of X3J14).
Descending to the occasion, Dick, jax says "Nanny-nany-poo-poo". :-)

> 
>Merry Christmas, Jack.
>--Dick Miller

	And Happy Hanukkah to you, brother Dick, from the grasshopper
to one of the immortals of Forth.

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Subject: Forth and Novell Netware, etc.
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Date: 29 Dec 92 11:46:09 GMT
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Category 2,  Topic 27
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 I am looking for a good reference on Forth internals and
 implementation techniques as I am currently looking to develop a
 32 bit DPMI based Forth.  Although, I have been using Forth off-
 and-on for over 10 years (mostly off), I have yet to develop my
 own version.  What I am looking for is information on the trade-
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 Date: 12-18-92 (23:23)
   To: MARK VANDITTA
 From: JACK WOEHR
 Subj: FORTH DEVELOPER'S GUIDE

 I'm copying your question the the FORTH Conference, which is
 networked (though the net connection seems intermittent lately).


         Most of what you're asking is pretty much guru stuff that
 doesn't get written up in books, but presented in papers. You
 should start by subscribing to Forth Dimensions magazine (the
 number is in (B)ulletin #4 here on the RCFB: Forth Interest
 Group). They have a catalog of all the proceedings of the Forth
 conferences over the last decade. It's browsing through those
 proceedings of conferences that you'll find the level of
 technical detail you are seeking.

 You might also talk to FORTH, Inc., in LA. They have a Forth like
 you describe up and running and for sale already.

         Forth, Inc. is 1-800-55-FORTH.

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