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From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?+
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 01:21:10 GMT

In article <18792@mindlink.bc.ca>, Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher) writes:
>>Why do we coddle him?
> 
> Yikes...You're gonna get a lot of flames about that. Expect to called a Nazi
> a few times, accused of using neo-darwinism to support your genocidal views
> etc..
> 
> I mentioned something similar to this.. Sink or Swim, give everyone an equal
> chance and if they blow it through stupidity let them sink.. (There was more
> to it but that's the gist) and some people even got the idea I was out to get
> young unwed mothers...
> 
> This should be fun to watch, fasten your seatbelt and await a firestorm.
> 
> P.S. Good point.
> 
> --
> 
> Clayten_Hamacher@Mindlink.bc.ca                 Land of the rising snow.

You all might see this quote elsewheres, but here goes:

If you take away the price of folly, all you will do is raise a nation of
idiots."

And people wonder why Japan is where its at, and why a large part of graduating
high school students don't even know where Japan or Alaska are..(US Graduating
High School Students that is).

I live in Alaska a land that many think is some kind of mythical land somewhere
near the edge of the world (well its near the edge, but its not mythical, or so
I hope).. 

Michael Adams alias Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu



Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (the original k-r0dent)
Subject: Re: found this, check it out
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 02:54:51 GMT


At least a few cDc people are on MindVox...I imagine it'd be there
first if your anxious for some e-text christmas present....

happ-E holi-daze.....

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    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Caller ID? NOT! Divergent Human Evolution.
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:45:11 GMT

Divergent human evolution. A world were some have tech and other do not..
Were some have money and others do not.. IT will be interesting to see how
people handle being plugged in, and how some handle not being plugged in?
Will humans start to diverge into different sub-groups or maybe cyberpunk
species? Where will humans be in say 200 years? What new addictions will we
have, also new ways to handle reality? Also how far will people go to loose
that dangling body of protoplasm and flesh, and how far will people go into
becoming linked into a computer.. Imagine a person who looses their body and
becomes a natural AI? Also what will be changed in humans..

I hoep this is not to wierd a change in subject..
Versus Caller ID?


Michael Adams
Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Caller Block, Complete House Control.news
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 08:50:46 GMT

In article <ReZgwB5w165w@freeside.com>, popec@freeside.com (PopeC) writes:
> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
> 
>> I wonder if you can set it up so that you can program your phone for numbers
>> you do not want to recieve from. After all if the phone tells you what number
>> is calling, why can't you set it up to filter out known obnoxious numbers..
>> 
>> When will the day when all the applicance in your house are controlled by a
>> central brain and where you can plug your appliance in and have the computer
>> control it...  So that you can control the numbers coming in, or the numbers
>> going out..  Maybe it is time for the people to be able to control thier own
>> data input and output.. And also be easier to set things up.. 
>> Maybe a data jack that will not only allow you to get power to your appliance
>> and also allow for computer control.. Something in the way of fiber optic or
>> something?? Maybe a light to power convertor (miezoelectric(sp))..
>> 
>> Michael Adams alias Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> I here that Microsoft is working on a single chip computer design.  It is 
> essentially a 286 on a chip with MSDOS and Windows on Rom.  With hardware 
> for controlling devices built in.  Why?  so they can have a gebneral 
> purpose controller that can contol any device it is built into and that 
> anyfool that can use Visual Basic can program to his or her souls 
> content.  You could call home, check the thermostat, set up your VCR to 
> record something for when you get home, preheat the oven, and drop some 
> Voice Mail on the main household computer, for your brat kid.
>   Or.....?   What would you do when every device you own hase a microsoft 
> controller that can be controlled remotely by you or your computer?
> 
> Pope Charles.   SubGenius Pope Of Houston.    My house hates me.
> The Household Computer told me so.....
> 
> 
> **********************************************************************
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As long as it is only yuo who is controlling the house, not that bad..
But I would think that there would be a pasword system of some sort..
The world is opening up, all that keeps it back is stupid conservative poople..
(Not meaning you Pope Charles, just making sure that Im perfectily clear)
From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:39:42 GMT
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121

In article <qZP6VB4w165w@cybrspc.UUCP> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
>If Joseph Q. Six-pack is not bright enough to realize he's handing out a
>phone number, so what?  He might also drive without a seat belt.
>(that's against the law)  He might also smoke cigarettes.  (a prime
>example of a genuinely stupid thing to do)  He likely doesn't make the
>connection between the misspelled name on the TV Guide, and the similar
>misspellings in 60% of his junk mail.  In short, this is not a together
>person.

Nice analogy of stupid things to do with ignorance of the phone system.  
However, this is irrelevant.  Stupidity is not the question here.  Poll 
about 500 people in your local community.  Ask them ONE question.  'How do 
you feel that telemarketers get your phone number?' Most will say they do 
not know.  Perhaps 2% will answer correctly.  

If you prefer to call these people stupid, then you're calling a LOT of 
people stupid.

>Why must we protect people from themselves?  What does it gain the
>the many to protect the one?

For one reason.  They are ignorant.  It's called consumer protection.  Ever 
heard of it?

>Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
>                         "I'm a model citizen."
>                                      -- Warren Zevon


-- 
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From: co053@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Wainstead)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo,alt.cyberpunk.movement,alt.cyberpunk.tech,alt.cyberspace,alt.dcom.telecom,alt.good.news,alt.industrial,alt.msdos.programmer,alt.self-improve,alt.society.cu-digest,alt.society.futures,alt.sys.amiga.uucp,alt.usenet.recovery,alt.pcnews
Subject: Re: NEW BBS PROGRAM
Date: 2 Jan 1993 09:51:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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You must obey.
From: oly@emerson.physics.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: floatation tanks
Date: 28 Dec 1992 19:41:33 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
Distribution: world
Reply-To: oly@emerson.physics.ubc.ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: emerson.physics.ubc.ca

Hello everyone,
		Does anyone have any info regarding floatation tanks, things  
like construction, prefab units for sale, other peoples experiences etc.  
Basically any info at all.


________________________________________________________
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CyberSurfer
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	Heraclitus

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	H.D.Thoreau
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6813 sci.electronics:21410
From: xyzzy@imagen.com (David McIntyre)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 20 Dec 92 07:13:15 GMT
Organization: IMAGEN

All this talk about blocking/not blocking calls has me in a quandry.  I hate
inconveniences.  The first inconvenience would be if send-ID was enabled by
default and I wanted to block it (i.e. calling a business).  The second
inconvenience would be if send-ID was blocked by default and I was calling
a friend or family member.  Since I and my family make about the same 
frequency of each of the above types of calls, it's a no-win situation.  It's
almost impossible to decide which mode to set as default, since I would have
to be enabling/disabling send-ID for each call.  Any other thoughts on this issue?

-- 
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..I'm not nearly as think as confused you am.
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: steve@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve (PrettyBoy) Barclay)
Subject: Re: Caller Block, Complete House Control.
Organization: mikejag (mike) is a private system in Vancouver, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 21:08:21 GMT

In Canada, we have a VERY effective system which ensures that no given
telemarketer EVER calls your place again.  It's called an air horn.

;-)

Sometimes low-tech is the most effective means of discouraging annoying
behaviour.

Steve

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: falcor@agora.rain.com (Andy Burt)
Subject: caller id debate
Summary: caller id
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:58:08 GMT

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: MEC
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 17:25:41 PST
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From: jonathan@vinnie.cuc.ab.ca (Jonathan Levine)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Virus 23 address
Date: 2 Jan 93 20:10:26 GMT

Slightly funny that someone on the well needs this address, since I think
it was printed in Whole Earth a while back in one of their articles on
zines (by Gunderloy, I believe).

Virus 23
Box 46
Red Deer, Alberta
T4N 5E7

To date, I think they've put out three issues -- about one per year.
Good guys.  Tell 'em I sent you.


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Okay to be stupid, see politicians.
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 01:02:21 GMT

Yes it is okay to be stupid, see Politician. 
After all if you take away the price of folly, all you raise is a nation of
idiots (hum I wonder if Victor in Mass counts?).. 

Was not the original Rhodes a well knwn racist and superiority believer?

Bruce Hayden, hello, Do you have relations in or around Baker Oregon?

Michael Adams alias Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu



Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:35:26 GMT

Tagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes:

>9212.22 e.v.


>Sean Eustis wrote:

>Just in case you're wondering, I believe the current term is
>Developmentally Disabled.


>Response:

>Nah, that is for people with physiological (or brain impaired) disfunctions.
>(i.e. the mentally handicapped).

>What is being talked about here are people who are the run-of-the-mill
>Joe that is just to asleep to notice their own brainpan is exposed.
>Do we wire him up and give him shock therapy or put him to bed with
>a bottle??


>Sean:

>Answer, because it is garunteed not only by the bill of rights, but also
>by a secondary nature of humans to look out for/U	B~ each other.
>The reason that the elite don't crush the weak is because they are
>neccessarry to provide a rescource of workers that make the products that
>the masses buy that makes a profit, that trickles down to the masses and
>then again back up to the elite.
>It's real complicated and I've probably got it wrong.


>Response:

>The way you describe this the 'worker class' is a bunch of cows that must
>be kept protected so that the fields get plowed.  The reason that the
>fields need to be plowed is to support the farmer who feeds the cows
>and makes a profit from the sale of seed.

>This is indeed rather simplistic.

>Consult your nearest Libertarian Party office.

If you think it was bad before, just wait until the "best and the
brightest" take over the country this January. Do you believe that
a Rhodes scholor with a Yale law degree would trust the masses to
make up their own minds ???

Bruce E. Hayden
bhayden@csn.org
From: Joachim_Hoss@k.maus.de (Joachim Hoss)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Mondo Bashing, etc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 06:18:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

Hi everybody!

In an article, Jason Steiner (jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu) writes:
>ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile) writes:
>>
>> The best thing about _Mondo_ is that it is concerned with a broad
>> range of topics and things of concern to cyberCULTURE.  I think
>> that it's fantastic that as well as taking up discussions of VR,
>> smart drugs, multi-media, et cetera, they also present really
>> spinning interviews with folks like Avital Ronell
>> (deconstructionist critic, author of _The Telephone Book:
>> Technology, Schizophrenia, Electric Speech_ and _Crack Wars:
>> Literature, Addiction, Mania_ -- excellent, engaging works, BTW),
>> Constance Penley, and Diamanda Galas, and pretty well-footnoted
>> articles on stuff like the panopticon. It's great to see stuff that
>> has previously been cloistered in some of the wilder academic
>> journals and debates begin to "trickle down" to the "reading
>> public."
>
>sounds like a poor, slick version of Whole Earth Review to me...
>
>i saw my first ish of Mondo this weekend & it was pathetic. i'm not
>going to say it isn't cyberpunk, or that it shouldn't be published
>or any such silly thing. it was just so bright & happy & glossy
>& completely free of nutritional content i almost gagged from the
>sweetness.
>
>jason

Here in Germany you don't get MONDO 2000 but with the things i read about it in
the "Interface" Magazine by Prometheus Press, I don't know wether I should be
sad about it or not: (from an answer to a letter to the editors)
"(...) The comment about MONDO 2000 is something else I am confused about. In
what way are we to follow their example? Smart drugs in game play? Interview
Mark Pauline from Survival Research Laboratories? Maybe include stats on some
of his creations?Imagine one of his inventions being controlled by an AI. We're
a gaming publication, they're a neo-crypto-cyber-yuppie journal. We've known
about MONDO 2000 for quite some time, even in the days when it was called
Reality Hackers, and since it is published in Berkley, we have no trouble
finding it.
Lift any trash lid in the Bay Area and you'll find one. (...)"
I think probably I shoudn't be all to sad.

Joachim Hoss
Cologne, Germany
Joachim_Hoss@k.maus.de
From: liquid@hardy.u.washington.edu (Timothy Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: the KGB's civil war on drugs.
Date: 31 Dec 1992 08:23:45 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu
Summary: needed: a copy of the article about the DEA's seizure ordeal

 just read on this newsgroup, an article in a (Newjersey?) newspaper that
was recopied here, about the DEA's seizure of possesions of a multitude 
of innocent americans, all in the hailed name of the Nancy Reagan club.
Before i could save it, i got booted out of the system, and have lost it.
If someone could email me a copy of it, i would gladly kiss your toes
forever.....Thanks in advance...

		liquid@u.washington.edu

		"If you don't eat your meat,		-Pink Floyd
		you can't have any pudding!"		  The Wall

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?+
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 01:10:42 GMT

In article <9L18VB1w165w@cybrspc.UUCP>, roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
> Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher) writes:
> 
>> This should be fun to watch, fasten your seatbelt and await a firestorm.
> 
> I sorta expected that, but when you're out of coffee....
> 
>> P.S. Good point.
> 
> Let's see if anyone else thinks it is.
> --
> Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
>                    "I'm a family man, model citizen."
>                                       -- Warren Zevon

Hello Roy, long time no see. Decided to stay in Nome. Im going crazy?

Subject to add to the discussion: IF everyone had brains, someone would always
be stupid in the general populous eye..
If everyone had brains (no stupidity) only polititions would go without..
If no one was stupid, why would we need politicians?

Stupidity is a god given right, no one else would take the hit..

Don't vote, don't bitch, vote and then bitch.. 

If it was not for work, why do I need limbs, when I have my jack?

Also: Define Stupid?

Michael Adams alias Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu
From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Database access, how?
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 19:50:34 CST
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

> Same here, I would love to know what all the credit people and the government
> and such know about me.. So I can understand why sometings happen..
> 
> 
> Michael Adams
> Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
> 


There are basically three big cedit bureaus, is my understanding.  And 
you can indeed write them and ask for a copy of your credit data.  
Details vary from state to state ect.  Call your local Better Business 
Bureau and ask them how to do this.  I think Consumer Review bput out a 
little pamplet about this some years ago, too.


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: dsra@netcom.com (DRSA)
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk Books..
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:58:29 GMT

nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>Can anyone suggest a good printing house or book store to order
>cyberpunk/cyberspace/VR books from?
>Email me at the bottom address:


>Michael Adams
>Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
>nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu

Yes, as a matter of fact I can.
Mark Anderson
2430 Agnes Way
Palo Alto, CA 94303
(415) 424-1984
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us (Louis Koziarz)
Subject: Re: Is it OK to be stupid?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:18:14 GMT

>Why don't people have a right to be stupid?

Don't say stupid, how about 'Logically Challenged'?   

-- 
Louis Koziarz
koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us
From: cs291@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jonathan A. Rochkind)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: caller id
Date: 31 Dec 1992 23:40:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


More options for people is alwasy good.  A prime purpose of
technology is enablement.  It follows, caller id is good. It has many useful 
things to offer, it is good, i do not believe it is unconstitutional. IF
the counter service is also provided. You should be able to block caller id,
at least with the temporary, each number you call *67 thing, but better giving 
people the option of permanently blocking caller id when calling from their number.  

Privacy: true,  someone calling your house can be an invasion of privacy, and you have theright to deny them the call with caller id.  Also, since it is
an invasion of privacy, you have the right to not give out yur telephone
number if you so desire. Just because someone else gives you their 
tlephone number, it does not mean they have the right o yours. Just because
you call soemoen does not mean they have the rght to see your number and call
too.

Sort of interesting anecdote: I was at someones house.  There were only a few poeple
there, and none of them had used the phone for a good hour and a hlaf. The 
phone rings, someone picks it up and hears "Who is this?". "I caught you, you
ju;st prank called my house, it says so on the little caller id box." 
Ummm, okay.

Also, they have caller id, and caller id blocking. Has anyone thought that next 
might come caller id blocking-blocking, to see someone's number even though they have blocked.?  And then blocking-blocking-blocking? Perhaps each 
additional level of blocking will clost more money, so who ever has the
most to spend on phone bills wins the id battle.

-Me.

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