From: holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan)
Subject: Re: Casement update
Reply-To: holohan@mark.enet.dec.com (Mark Holohan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:40:13 GMT


In article <93026.142042RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>, Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:
|>In article <1993Jan26.170426.12806@e2big.mko.dec.com>, (Mark Holohan) says:
|>>
|>>   Mr. Mullethead is not only an extremist, but a British apologist.
|>>   Halpin, you should be a lawyer. I make a statement about frightened
|>>   unarmed mourners, Mullethead calls these people republican thugs,
|>>   but I'm to blame for driving him to this awful statement.
|>>
|>>   Watch, I'll do it again, unarmed mourners, unarmed mourners.  God
|>>   only knows what kind of terrible things I'll force mullethead to
|>>   say now.  I feel just terrible.  Now if mullethead goes and kicks
|>>   the wife, or kills the dog, I'll be responsible. Aren't I something.
|>Interesting how you dropped the "frightened" bit this time, Mark. You put
|>it in the first time to strengthen your case with people who haven't seen
|>film of the incident, but when it provokes a reaction from somebody who saw
|>a crowd that didn't look frightened, you quitely drop it.

 If you more carefully read what I wrote you'll see my statement above,
 and I quote, "I make a statement about frightened unarmed mourners,".
 I stand by what I say, take a look at the photo I posted.  The crowd
 most definately looked frightened, and they had good cause to be.

|>
|>Mullins views are as extremist as your's are, but he probably doesn't really
|>give a shit. 

 Sorry Aengus, I don't see a statement like frightened unarmed mourners
 extreme, but I do see a British apologist statement like "republican
 thugs" as extreme.

|>Your postings don't make any converts to your "cause", they
|>just manage to piss off the sort of people who normally wouldn't bother to
|>express an opinion on the issue. 

 This isn't religion, or a recruitment drive.  

|>It's a fair bet that huge numbers of readers
|>have put you in their kill files, and most of those have also killed this
|>thread. 
 
 All the better, then we don't need to listen to their antics.

|>Any of these people who had the impression that the soldiers were
|>torn limb from limb by the crowd still have that impression, because you
|>pissed them off so much that they never read followup postings that dealt
|>with the issue.

 If you feel the real issue is not being addressed, step up to the plate,
 and start up a new thread. 

|>
|>>
|>>Then Aengus writes:
|>>|>case.  The big problems with posts like Mark Holohans is that it pushes
|>>|>people to refusal.
|>>
|>>   The truth sometimes has a way of pushing people to that.  But
|>>   I'm afraid you won't find me suger-coating it for those people.
|>Well, you certainly don't sugar-coat the truth. But you certainly don't
|>post the pure, unadulterated truth either. The people you are sugar-coating
|>it for probably don't read this news-group.

 If you have issues with part or all of what I wrote, then call them
 out specifically, don't hide under a blanket statement like this.

|>>
|>>|> And to think that somebody once accused him of being a
|>>|>propagandist!
|>>
|>>   I too was shocked!
|>>
|>>|>Like the British Army in Northern Ireland, Marks actions tend
|>>|>to have the effect of convincing "the enemy" that they were right all along.
|>>
|>>   Mullethead isn't the enemy, ignorance is the enemy.  While you and
|>>   your mates dance around in the grey areas, more innocent people are
|>>   being sentenced by British kangeroo courts for crimes they did not
|>>   commit.
|>And how exactly do you think your posts are going to change that? By informing
|>the British public, so that they rise up in revolt against the injustice?

 Doubtful, the British government is more of the type you need to hit over
 the head with a two-by-four, and if they still don't get it, you need
 to find a bigger two-by-four.  More importantly, this conference is
 not a British-Irish conference, it is a world conference.  It is the
 world audience that needs to be told.



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  Mark Holohan, DEC, USA        "Character is what you are in the dark" - BB
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