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From: fino@point.cs.uwm.edu (Alexander Finogenov)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Need info. on auto diagnostic centers
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:23:30 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: nj
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In article <1992Nov11.173419.9003@allegra.att.com> ssh@allegra.att.com (syed s haider) writes:
: The 3 year warranty on my Sentra is about to expire next month.
: Before that happens I was thinking about taking it to some
: place where they will (in reasonable honesty) tell me whether
: there is anything wrong with the major components of my car.
: I don't think anything is wrong but in case there is I want
: to have the dealer fix it free while I've got the chance.  I 
: want to avoid the "warranty syndrome" with things falling apart
: the week after :-)  The most honest place I can think of is a
: diagnostic shop which doesn't actually do the repair, just tells
: you if there are any problems or not.  So does anyone have any
: experience with such places in central NJ?
: Thanks.
: 
: Syed S. Haider
: ssh@allegra.att.com


I am  not sure that your warranty will cover anything they may find wrong:
it covers only when something IS BROKE. If something were broke in your
powertrain, you would know about that without any test.

I am not an automobile guru, so this opinion is just my personal understanding
and experience.

I have Sentra for 4+ years and since the warranty expired I had nothing wrong
except a pinhole in the antifreeze return hose, which wouldn't be covered by
any warranty (except bumper-to-bumper) anyway.

Alex
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From: debraa@elvis.sharebase.com (Debra Ashcraft)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Kerby Vacuum Cleaners Information
Keywords: We are talking about a Kirby not a Dirt Devel
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:27:23 GMT
Reply-To: debraa@elvis.sharebase.com (Debra Ashcraft)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR/ShareBase Corporation

Okay, Kirby's are great--I've owned one for about 17 years now. 
But how about allergies? My sister moved in with me 4 years ago
and complains and complains about the dust particles that the Kirby
throws out.

She says Rainbows are better because the dirt gets caught in the water
filter.  Then there's some brand that Whole Earth Access sells that has
something like 3 filters, that is supposed to be even better than the
Rainbow.  (Something about fungus from Rainbow's water filter ... )

Not that I necessarily want to purchase another vacuum cleaner ....  
 
Any comments?
Debbie
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From: alasnik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Adam Lasnik)
Subject: Re: DiDi7 (?) stain remover
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:15:44 GMT

In <NAN.92Nov11214719@ertou.UCSC.EDU> nan@ertou.UCSC.EDU (Nan Ellman) writes:



>Does anyone know if the super stain remover advertised on late night
>tv (I think it's called DiDi7) is any good? Can it deal with ink
>stains of the sort from capless pens left in pockets? If so, where
>could I find it? Does it have to be bought mail order?

I bought a few tubes 'o' that from a mail order catalog, and I'm not convinced
it's really all that great.  While it does seem to decently remove ink and
grease stains from skin, I've found the combination of hair spray and mild
soap to be a better de-inker from clothes.

I'd be curious to hear other people's thoughts on Didi7, though.

--ADAM "KEYS" LASNIK
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From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)
Subject: Re: Can a Microwave's performance deteriorate with time?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:27:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I have an old GE unit that I've had for 10+ years. It finally got to the
point where it was just plain slow...... I retired it to the basement.
It will do in a pinch.  

Wonder if anyone has ever done a test? I.E how long to boild 1 quart of
water or somesuch thing that is a standard amount.  Might be fun to see
how different units do.




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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Encyclopedia Britannica - their obnoxious salesmen
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:24:50 GMT
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.

In article <1992Nov5.174157.14549@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>>Anyway, what is the price, and why are Encyclopedia Britannica salesman
>>so reluctant to tell you, even to the point of being obnoxious?
>
>Maybe it's there so ashamed of the price that they have to "present" it
>to you, in the same way that Amway reps are so ashamed of their
>company that they won't tell you its name, except under controlled
>conditions.

I was walking through a mall the  other day when a Britannica salesman
tried to get  me to see  his wares. "Can  I  show you the encyclopedia
Britannica?!?"

My  response of "No thank  you, I can't read." seemed  to shut him  up
pretty well!   Perhaps I should have asked  for the one with  pictures
instead of words ;-)
			reb

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From: alan@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Alan S. Mazer)
Subject: Re: Doctor ripoff, or just reality?
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:32:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.160714.29909@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>The biggest doctor ripoff is emergency room treatment. I went into
>the Huntington Memorial Hospital in Pasadena, CA with a sprained ankle.
>Emergency room charges, X-ray charges, and a separate charge for the
>physician to glance at the X-ray, say "It's just a sprain" and splint it
>($300) ran to almost $1000.
>
>The second time that happened, I went to my orthopedist--by some
>accounts the best man in Beverly Hills. He did x-rays in the office,
>spent considerably more time than the emergency room physician,
>provided a much better newer technology "air splint" was much more
>experienced and famous in his field, and the total bill was $300.

Let's be fair here, though.  Huntington's emergency facilities include a
trauma center.  Their emergency room is open 24 hours a day, ready to handle
any situation.  You chose to use their highly skilled staff and equipment for
a sprained ankle.  As someone who has been in emergency rooms a couple myself
and other times with friends, I don't expect the same level of service I
would get from a specialist or even my own GP.  I expect that they will
stabilize a critical situation and I expect to pay for my share of the costs
of keeping this staff and equipment around.  Next time you get seriously ill
at night or on a weekend, try calling your orthopedist's office and see what
happens.
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From: guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery)
Subject: Re: Can a Microwave's performance deteriorate with time?
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 03:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.153135.13142@tamsun.tamu.edu> tpradeep@cs.tamu.edu (Pradeep K Tapadiya) writes:
>Howdy netters,
>
>The same food which used to take 40 sec to get cooked in my microwave
>now takes about 60 sec. Can the intensity of a microwave radiation
>go down with time? Or is something else wrong with my microwave? Can
>someone please tell me if I could do something about it (besides buying
>a new one :-) )?
My Amana Radar range slows down when it gets dirty inside, and goes back
to normal when we clean it.

jam
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From: fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Nope again (was Re: Yup, Amway's a scam)
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:28:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.Bx9L2q.93o
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Steve Adams (adams@spss.com) wrote:
: Bzzzzt.  The 7-11 owner gets products from multiple vendors and sells
: directly to the public.  He doesn't need to (or try) to sign up other
: people to run 7-11's that he will supply.  

Those comments all show how 7-11's are different from an Amway business.
I don't think Lou or anyone else would argue that point.  

: In addition, he probably sells
: Pepsi products, too.  Do you sell competing products?

It seems like the major argument you have against Lou's point (that a
distributor has an independent business) is that the 7-11 sells products
from multiple vendors.

As a matter of policy, most people belong to one MLM company, and only
represent that company.  It tends to work best for all involved.  
BUT there is nothing keeping you from belonging to more than one, and
selling "competing" products.  I know many people who represent multiple
MLM companies.

Even if "selling competing products" was the determiner, what would that
say about many other "normal" businesses?  I've never seen a Big Mac
at a Burger King, or Exxon gas at a Shell station.  Does that make
Burger King responsible for each franchise?

Gary (NOT an Amway distributor) F.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: gxc8951@hertz.njit.edu (chirn)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Is tri-state mail order dealer good?
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:50:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.
Originator: gxc8951@hertz.njit.edu

Hi, folks

I am going to buy a lens (Sigma 50mm/2.8) for my camera.
I found some mail order dealer from photography magazine and
Tri-state's price seems the best one ($120), other's are around $135

Do you have any good/bad experience with that dealer? Any suggestion?

Please send e-mail to me. I will collect them and post later.

Thanks,

Chin
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From: kim@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John Kim)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: A humidifier in central heating/ AC system
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:46:10 GMT
Reply-To: kim@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John Kim)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD


    My friend thinks about a humidifier into the central heating/AC 
system. His idea is that cut an air duck round in the boiler room and
put the humidfier into it. If they have the humidifier around, could 
anyone tell me the model name and it's price?  Any pro and con idea 
of its idea?  Can it cause the air duck rust and sanitary problem?

John Kim
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: macrakis@osf.org (Stavros Macrakis)
Subject: Re: OK to pound nails into concrete blocks?
Organization: OSF Research Institute
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:15:08

In article <13805@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:

   I have cement blocks for my basement wall, and would like to hang things
   from the wall.  Is there a certain kind of nail that can be used on walls
   like this?  Is it better to pound nails into the joints- where the mortar is-
   or into the blocks themselves?   If nails are not recommened, is there some
   kind of bolt that can be used>

There are several ways to attach things to concrete and concrete
block.  For light things, use tempered nails (hardware stores have
these).  You can't really depend on these, though: sometimes, they
hold very well, other times they pull right out.  For heavier things,
you can use either concrete screws or bolts and plugs.  Concrete
screws are relatively new: you bore a hole of an appropriate diameter
(using of course a masonry bit), then just screw in.  Bolts and plugs
are the older technology.  Lead plugs are the usual, but plastic ones
exist, too.  Check with your hardware store or home center.

	-s
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From: fredch@phx.mcd.mot.com (Fred Christiansen)
Subject: Where Can I Find Full Spectrum Lighting?
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, RT Software
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:11:39 GMT

Can anyone give me source(s) for full spectrum lights, either
incandescent or fluorescent (preferably both)?  I had info on one
source about 3 years ago but I've lost it.  Sources - name,
address, phone - would be much appreciated.  Thx.
-- 
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From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Storing Propane Tank
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:05:02 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: na
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

I have a 5-lb propane tank.  Currently it is 'empty' - meaning there's
one atmosphere of propane in it.  It's stored in the garden shed.  Our
winters are seriously cold, with occasional nights to -40. Would I be
better off to fill the tank before winter?  I'm concerned that it will
be cold enough to liquify the propane and air will leak into the tank.

Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	"It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for."
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From: hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts)
Subject: Wall Clock with Day/Date/Month (Q)
Summary: wanted, for elderly person: day/date reminder
Keywords: for old person[H
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:12:19 GMT


20 years ago my family had one of these -- old "flipdown" cards did
what LEDs do nowadays, but it showed

    Hours/Minutes   Day   Date   Month   Year

Now another family member is old enough to need this, and it broke.

Does anyone know a source for such a device, a wall clock that
displays the rest of the calendar info and changes automatically?

Email welcome.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
From: cpalmer@dingo.rtp.dg.com ()
Subject: Re: better mouse trap needed
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 21:41:53 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro MA

In article <122210036@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> wlp@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Pherigo) writes:
>     My basement is overrun by mice.   I was able to catch 9 of them within
>a week of their discovery with normal mouse traps baited with creamy Jiff
>(Choosy mice chose Jiff!).  Natural selection has left me with mice that
>can lick off the peanut butter without springing the trap, and thus crushing
>their little furry skulls!  I'd like to hear about any other trap designs,
>or any better baits, and, Oh, I DON'T WANT A CAT!!!
>

Yeah, we had the same problem - they learn quickly.
What eventually worked was to tape a real peanut to the trigger.
Mouse nibbles, doesn't get anywhere, stands up and grabs peanut
with front paws, tugs, WHAM!!
We actually got to watch this a couple of times, very bold mice
just sauntering out onto our kitchen countertops while we were
dining in the next room.
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From: sturges@master.lds-az.loral.com (Jim Sturges)
Subject: Re: leaving house with VA loan
Followup-To: misc.consumers.house
Organization: Loral Defense Systems - Arizona
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:26:47 GMT

In article <sprinkle.721437877@convex.convex.com>, sprinkle@convex.com
(Robert Sprinkle) wrote:
> 
[ omitted. Bob got divorced, wound up with house and assumed
VA mortgage]
> .......  As I understand it
> the following would happen......
> 1. The mortgage company would go to the VA for the loan guarantee.
> 2. The VA would go to the original buyer for recourse.
> I know there would be a blight on my credit report butit already looks like
> an exploded mine field.  My question is would I be pretty much out of the
> picture as far as the VA and the mortgage company are concerned?
> I really dont want to screw the original buyer but, I am in a pretty
> tight spot and may be forced to do something I really dont want to do.
> If anybody out there has had any expierence in this area I would really
> appreciate the benifit of your expierences
> The mortgage company and I breathlessly await your replies.
> Bob Sprinkle
> :wq

Dear Bob,

As one of the potentail 'screw-ee' population which your proposed actions
would adversely affect, it happens that I *do* have the answer to your
question. I foolishly let someone whom I considered to be honorable assume
my VA loan. She didn't pay on the loan for 6 months. Hired a lawyer who
started foreclosure and promised the rascal-ette that we would pursue
her to the end of the earth for the amount owed. She reconsidered.
 
Turns out that *you* have given a second trust deed
to the poor vet who trusted you. He can come after every penny's worth of
worldly goods you own, unless you declare bankruptcy. As long as you're
going to sock it to him, why not go ahead and screw everybody who trusted
you? Flame? You bet! Not a good idea, Bob.

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602 925-7204                                Loral Defense Systems --
Arizona
602 925-6988 Fax                         P.O. Box 85
sturges@master.lds-az.loral.com    1300 S. Litchfield Rd.
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From: wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde)
Subject: Re: Exterior house paint survey...
Followup-To: misc.consumers.house
Organization: Just enough to get by...
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:42:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.154431.15950@mcc.com>, breland@cobweb.mcc.com (Mark
Breland) wrote:

> Ever drop a full, open bucket of paint down the side of the house? 

Yes, as a matter of fact, this summer... Which is when I learned
you never take a full (or nearly full) can of paint up the ladder 
with you - Pour an inch or so into an empty can/bucket and take 
that up to minimize the damage if you drop it. You're going to
have to move the ladder before you use that up, anyway. 

In my case, most of the damage was confined to a dropcloth, but
the lawn still has painted spots in it...

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From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: FYI: This Old Pyramid
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:57:11 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Keith Pilotti writes:
>"This Old Pyramid" is the title of the upcoming episode of Nova on PBS.
>
>It is about an
>archeologist and a stone mason who go to Egypt to reconstruct an actual
>pyramid in order to learn how it works.

And the American mastor mason is the guy that This Old House uses for
their projects!  During the Kirkside project, he had pictures with him
that he had taken in Egypt during the filming. They would have invited
Norm, but no power tools were allowed ;-)

Dave
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From: waterlan@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Robert Waterland)
Subject: Sears 3000 Humidifier
Organization: DuPont Engineering Physics Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:40:11 GMT


Does anyone have experience with the Sears whole house humidifiers?  I
bought one of them recently (Sears 3000 model).  Installation was pretty
easy and the thing switches on when in test mode.  However, it doesn't seem
to want to turn on otherwise.  Our house seems dry to me and I'm surprised
the humidistat is not activating the unit.
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From: janick@bcrkd13.bnr.ca (Janick Bergeron)
Subject: Re: Getting Ready to Sell House: How to Make it Most Appealing?
Reply-To: janick@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Timing Verification Group
Distribution: usa,na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:35:33 GMT

In article <heflin.721604298@pink1>, heflin@rtsg.mot.com (Suzanne
Stratton Heflin) writes:
> mryan@stsci.edu writes:
> 
> >>      Make sure no "evil scents" are present in the whole house.
> >This is very important.  I sold a house last year, and I had two cats and
> >a dog.  I cleaned the litterbox daily and got a plug-in air freshener for 
> >the livingroom.
> Agreed.  When I had my open house, I sliced several apples, tossed in
> cinnamon and put it in water on the stove to simmer.  The house smelled
> great (and sold in one day!)

Not to me, I *hate* cinnamon! There is a shopping mall in Ottawa I
won't go to because of the smell coming from the St-Cinnamon food
counter...  I wouldn't overdo the odor thing... they might think you
are trying to hide something and not all odors are pleasing to
everyone (I also hate the smell of basmati rice but can't get enough
of it once it is cooked :-).

All that stuff and advice is kinda borderline, eh? Not one thing is
sure to help you sell your house, except luck. You need to find the
right person and nothing will keep that person from buying your house.
We fell in love with the two houses we bought and loved them both.
Sold the first one to someone who also fell in love with it...the
right people at the right time.

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