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From: markj@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Mark R Jensen)
Newsgroups: tek.forsale,pdx.forsale
Subject: Yamaha 80 dirt bike for sale
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:14:13 GMT
Followup-To: tek.forsale
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


'79 Yamaha 80cc dirt bike, looks a little rough but it runs quite well.
Used very little in the past 7 years we owned it. $160

Mark Jensen  627-6624 wk
	     641-7505 hm

Newsgroups: sqnt-public.msgs,pdx.forsale,pnw.forsale,or.forsale,misc.forsale
From: edw@sequent.com (Ed Wright)
Subject: VHF Handie TAlkies For SAle
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 04:29:20 GMT


2 Standard Radio VHF FM Handie TAlkies

1  SR-C830S50    FCC type 172
1  SR-C830L30    FCC type 1271

Both units are 2 watts out
Each is 3 channel capable
	Only one channel ius currently installed  151.715
	Channel change is trivial.
	Portland Radio has the crystals, so should most other
	radio shops.
Each unit is CTSS capable but not installed.
Both have vulcanized waterfowl emission facilitators (Rubber Duck Antennas)
Both have connectors for ext antenna 2.5mm jack
	Remote Mic Speaker ( 4 pin) {In scungy condition}
	Ext Power
	Charger

Set up to use with charging stands (not included)

Both radios are well used but not really beat.

I have a manual for a SR-C146A which is close enough to get you through
on these two guys.  it includes schematics.
I also have a manual(only) for a SC-USA-2 charger, should you want to
use the schematic to build a charger.

Please note these are Business band radios. They require a license which
is quite easy to get, but the FCC will hunt you down if you do not have
one. These are not CB or CB type radios.
They will go to 2 meter ham with not too much work.

$150 takes the pair

Call Ed Or Elke (503) 641-6078

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From: dianat@redsun.pps.rain.com (Diana Thompson)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
Subject: Mazda GLC Hatchback
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:43:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: redsun.1992Nov16.164321.4249
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Portland Public Schools, Portland Or.


		1985 Mazda GLC Deluxe Hatchback

	- Good Condition
	- 5-Speed
	- Cassette
	- 30 MPG
	- Original Owner (Service records available)

		$2195 OBO

	Diana - 699-5028
	

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From: kozowski@ohsu.edu (Eric Kozowski)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
Subject: Disk for sale or trade
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:51:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1992Nov16.225127.11209
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University

I have a Seagate ST-4096 for sale.  It has never been used.  For those of you  
not familiar with the 4096 it is a 5.25" FH, 80M, ST-506 disk drive.  I am  
asking $150 or equivalent trade for ????

--
Eric Kozowski                | System/Network Administrator
kozowski@ohsu.edu            | Oregon Health Sciences University
                             | 840 SW Gaines Rd GH113
503/494-4537                 | Portland, Oregon 97201
From: loren@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Loren J. Brown)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
Subject: HP 48SX Calculator
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:42:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6326


	HP 48SX w/ manuals.

	Excel. Cond. (Should have used it more! :( )

	$225.00 obo

	Please call (503) 725-5393 and leave a message if
	no-one answers.

	loren...
From: naft0001@student.ec.umn.edu (Gene Naftulyev)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
Subject: Audio DAT/Mac Multimedia
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:23:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Nov17.202327.18015
Organization: U of M
X-Xxdate: Tue, 17 Nov 92 20:25:44 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7

The following items are for sale:

Qty.    Description					List	Price
_________________________________________________________________________
1	Sharp Audio Portable DAT-3hr battery, charger, 
	car mount, digital I/O, 256 oversampling, 48KHz	$999	$549

1	NuVISTA+ 2M 32bit capture board 		$3200	$1599
1	Optimem internal 650meg Mag-Optical drive	$1999	$1499
1	MicroNet External 650meg Mag-Optical drive	$2999	$1699

NOTE: 	All hardware is in normal working order. Prices do NOT include
	shipping. All items shipped COD (USA) or pre-paid (anywhere)

For any items please contact:

naft0001@student.tc.umn.edu
Gene Naftulyev
10148 Boone Cir.
Bloomington, MN 55438
(612) 942-0134
From: sandyk@cardinal.ims.com (Sandy Keen)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
Subject: Garage Sale - 2 family
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:33:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: ims.1992Nov19.083301.20222
Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc.





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Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc.
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Two Family Garage sale:  Typewriters, Terminals, and other office items, 
Quality Women's size 10 clothing,Very nice girls size 4 & 5 clothes, toys, 
sailing & scuba items, and lots of household misc (dishwashers to tables).

Fri. November 20 from 1 to 4,
Sat. November 21 from 10 to 4,
Sun. November 22 from 2 to 4

9265 SW Meadow Lane 


		   Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy
       =====================================================
			    ||
	            SW 91st ||
			    ||    Meadow Lane
			    |======================
			    ||
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		  Canyon Road (or TV Highway, if you prefer)
From: jeffreyk@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey A Kleck)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
Subject: Seattle Seahawk Tickets For Sale
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:29:35 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

I have several Seattle Seahawk tickets available for this Sundays (Nov. 22)
game with the Kansas City Chiefs at 5:00 PM in the Kingdome.  
Ticket prices are $25 or $29 per ticket, depending on seat selection.

Also I have tickets for Mondays (Nov. 30) game with the Denver Broncos
at 6:00 PM in the Kingdome.  If anyone is interested in any of them, 
please reply either by email or leave a message with my voice mail at
(503)627-3212 or (206)254-0084.  Thank you.

Jeffrey A. Kleck
Tektronix, Inc.
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
From: jmartin@clark.edu (John Martin)
Subject: test
Followup-To: pdx.forsale
Organization: Clark College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:30:22 GMT

this is a test.  

jmartin@clark.edu
From: iccad@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Chuck Saxe)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
Subject: Bazaar
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:43:26 GMT
Distribution: pdx






		  Sunshine Basket Co.

	      15th. Annual Holiday Bazaar


       Featuring over 350 top quality craftspeople.

	 One of the areas largest selections of
	 top quality arts, crafts and antiques.

	 Folk Art, flower arrangements, wreaths,
       baskets, holiday ornaments and decorations,
	     collector dolls, bears and food.

     Nov. 18th thru 24th.  &  Nov. 27th. thru 29th.

         Monady -> Friday   9:00 AM to 9:00 PM

        Saturday & Sunday  10:00 AM to 6:00 PM

  New Location:  
		 Tanasbourne Mall
		 185th. & 26 (Sunset Hwy.)
		  in the old Safeway building

		  Linda Ely, 626-6067, 642-3336
From: partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
Subject: KING SIZE MATTRESS FOR SALE
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:16:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.46029
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering



	King Size Mattress, Box Spring and Frame

	$ 75 OBO

Contact:

	Partha sarathy
	16304, SW Estuary Dr., # 105
	Beaverton, OR 97006

	Ph. # (503) 690 9832 (H) after 7 PM (or leave message)
	      (503) 690 1121 x 7382	

	email: partha@mse.ogi.edu
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From: jeffreyk@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey A Kleck)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale,tek.forsale,pnw.forsale
Subject: Lowrey M-150 Organ
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:16:48 GMT
Followup-To: pdx.forsale
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

Lowrey M-150 Pageant organ. Rhythum/Magic genie. Upper-Lower
keyboard.  Foot pedals. Bench w/all music books included.
Must sell. Excellent condition. $525 OBO. (206) 254-0084.
From: randyd@sequent.com (Randy Dickenson)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
Subject: Yet another Holiday Bazaar this weekend!
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:12:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov20.171254.16025
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.


	Are you looking for that special handcrafted gift?

	Come on out to the Hillsboro Elks Lodge this Saturday (11/21)
	from 10:00 - 4:00 where they will be holding their annual Holiday
	Bazaar.

	Highlights:

	   Handcrafted gifts
	   
	      Wooden Crafts (Rocking Horses, Childrens puzzles etc)
	      Wreaths
	      Swags
	      Ceramics
	      Knitting

	      And much more

	   Raffle:

	      First prize will be 2 Tickets to the Blazer's Philly game on 
		 Dec 26.
	      Second prize will be a $65 gift certificate on board the Stern
	        Wheeler.

	   A lunch counter will be provided

	      Chili
	      Hot Dogs
	      Pop
	      Coffee
	      etc

	   SPECIAL VISIT!!!

	      And for the Children a visit by Mr. and Mrs. Claus.  Photographs
	      and/or photo buttons with Santa will be available.

	Where:

	    Hillsboro Elks Lodge
	    Corner of Quatama and SW. 216th

	    TV Highway to the Reedville Cafe (was the Shack Tavern)
	    North on 219th (which changes to 216th on the North side of
	    Baseline) to Quatama.  Look for the Elks sign.

This Bazaar is Sponsored by the Ladies of the Elks.  All sponsor proceeds will
be used for the Elks Christmas Basket program which distributes food and gifts
to those in need over the Holidays.

I hope to see you there
Randy
Newsgroups: tek.forsale,pdx.forsale
From: fredar@soul.tv.tek.com (Fred Armentrout)
Subject: FOR SALE - WASHING MACHINE AND REFRIGERATOR
Originator: fredar@soul.tv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix TV Products
Distribution: pdx
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:03:31 GMT


     FOR SALE - WASHER AND REFRIGERATOR

I have sold my rental condo and the new owner has her own washing machine and
refrigerator. So I must sell the ones that were in there.

WASHING MACHINE:
     Ward's Signature 18 "Heavy Duty" washer; Four speed combinations and
     Six cycles. Has "water saver" switch including "extra low". With hoses.
     We've used it twice in the last month - works fine but it's noisey.
     I don't know how old it is - I would guess 20 years. $50/OBO YOU HAUL.

REFRIGERATOR:
     Frigidaire Custom Imperial 170. 17.0 cubic feet total; freezer on top.
     Metal (wire) shelves, 2 vegetable crispers, 1 "meat tender"
     Dark Red   slight odor (I think something spoiled in there once)
     Door shelf has white epoxy holding part of it on. 
     Approximate age: 20 years   Still works fine.  $100/OBO YOU HAUL

We need to sell these appliances by December 7, so offers will be considered.
						Fred Armentrout 644-9257
From: markj@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Mark R Jensen)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale,tek.forsale
Subject: Yamaha 80 and small block Chevy 400 for sale
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:34:16 GMT
Followup-To: pdx.forsale
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


Yamaha 80cc *Dirt* bike for sale, 1979, runs great, looks ok, great bike
for junior to learn on, not a big investment if he doesn't like it. 
$150 takes it! 

Small block 400 short block. very rebuildable, no ring ridge! good crank
$50 firm!

641-7505 hm.
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From: mike@arts.com (Mike Witt)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
Subject: WANTED: Old PC/AT
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 04:55:47 PST
Organization: Computer Arts, Portland Oregon, USA


I'm looking for an old PC/AT, with just a minimal hard disk
(say around 30 Meg?).  Also, if anybody could clue me in to
any "swap meets" or such, for old PC equipment, I would
appreciate it.

-Mike Witt
mike@arts.com
From: jeffreyk@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey A Kleck)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
Subject: Lowrey M-150 Organ
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:36:38 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

Lowrey M-150 Pageant Organ.  Rhythum/magic genie.   Upper/Lower keyboard.
Foot pedals. Bench w/all music books.  Excellent condition.
Must sell.  $525 OBO. (206) 254-0084.
From: donita@scic.intel.com (Donita Thompson)
Newsgroups: pdx.forsale
Subject: Roommate Wanted
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:17:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: scic.1992Nov18.201701.20923
Distribution: or
Organization: Intel SCIC, Beaverton, OR

I am posting this for a friend, so do not respond to me.

********************************************************

Female to share apartment in Tigard. $225 includes
cable. Nice neighborhood. Call on Saturday and Sunday
ONLY. 357-8854 Ask for BJ.

********************************************************
From: mblake@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Zakureth)
Newsgroups: pdx.utek
Subject: Is it a 4405 or 4319?
Keywords: I don't know whatI've got!!!!!!!
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:35:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6333


  Hello.  A couple of months I was given this old Tek boxen, which seems to
pass all of it's diagnostics just fine.  I've never had the money to buy drives
so I've been unable to make use of it.  I've been considering it, but there has
been some question over what kind of machine it is.
  The case says it's a 4405, but the Utek distribution tapes I got with it say
they're for a 4319 machine.  I'm not sure who is lying, the case or the tapes.
I believe the cases for both are besically the same.  Is there anything in the
machinery which I can check for to tell what kind of machien it is?
  Thanks.
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From: mikeh@qualis.com (Michael T. Horne)
Newsgroups: pdx.utek
Subject: Re: Is it a 4405 or 4319?
Keywords: I don't know whatI've got!!!!!!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:30:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: qualis.By5GE7.7sn
Organization: Qualis Design Corporation, Beaverton, OR

In a recent article by mblake@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Zakureth):
>
>  The case says it's a 4405, but the Utek distribution tapes I got with it say
>they're for a 4319 machine.  I'm not sure who is lying, the case or the tapes.
>...

You probably have a "4315", which runs the UTek OS (rather than (p)Uniflex
which came with the 4405 in its heyday).  Consider yourself lucky.  Odds
are good that the binaries for the 4315 are on the 4319 tape, though
I wouldn't bet my life on it.

There were a few dozen 4405 -> 4315 upgrades back in 1988 or so (I had one).
It's a fairly inexpensive X machine that has approximately the performance
of a Sun 3 (in fact, it can run a great many Sun 3 binaries).

Lotsa luck!

Mike
mikeh@qualis.com
From: ghazi@caip.rutgers.edu (Kaveh R. Ghazi)
Newsgroups: pdx.utek
Subject: Re: Is it a 4405 or 4319?
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:27:27 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


 > UTek 4.x has Sun3 emulation, but only for SunOS version 3.x.  It won't run
 > SunOS 4.x binaries, sigh.  The 4301 series has a 25mhz clock, -vs-
 > the Sun 3/60's 20mhz clock.
 > Later,
 > 	-Jeff

	I have been able to run sun3 SunOS 4.1.1 binaries by linking them
with -Bstatic.  It is the SunOS 4.x sharable libraries that cause UTek to
toss its cookies.  Statically linked 4.x programs work fine.
		--Kaveh
-- 
Kaveh R. Ghazi			CAIP Center, Rutgers University.
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From: jeff@neon.rain.com (Jeff Beadles)
Newsgroups: pdx.utek
Subject: Re: Is it a 4405 or 4319?
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:26:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: neon.By5oJo.924
Reply-To: jeff@onion.rain.com (Jeff Beadles)

>In a recent article by mblake@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Zakureth):
>
>  The case says it's a 4405, but the Utek distribution tapes I got with it say
>they're for a 4319 machine.  I'm not sure who is lying, the case or the tapes.

Is the monitor 19" or 15"?  If it's 15", then it's gotta be a 4405 or 4315.
Off hand, I can't remember how to tell'em apart, but a good first-shot is to
"double click" the reset button on the back, to get into diagnostics.

mikeh@qualis.com (Michael T. Horne) writes:
>You probably have a "4315", which runs the UTek OS (rather than (p)Uniflex
>which came with the 4405 in its heyday).  Consider yourself lucky.  Odds
>are good that the binaries for the 4315 are on the 4319 tape, though
>I wouldn't bet my life on it.

The 4319 tape doesn't have 4315 binaries I believe...  The 4316/7 was on one set
of tapes, the 4319 on another, and the 4315 on yet another.  The 4315 is VERY
different from the 4316/7.  It has the weird panning screen, and 4kb memory
pages.  (instead of 8k, which all other 43xx's have)

From a rusty memory, here's the 43xx product line:

4301  - 68020/25mhz based display-less workstation.
4315  - 68020/16mhz based integrated mono display (15") workstation
4315+ - 68020/16mhz based integrated mono display (15") workstation
        (Upgraded from 4405, basically the same as a 4315.)
4316  - 68020/16mhz based integrated greyscale display (19") workstation
4317  - 68020/16mhz based integrated color display (19") workstation
4319  - 68020/25mhz based integrated color display (15") workstation
        (The 4319's compute engine is more like a 4301)
432x  - 68020/25mhz based workstation with 2D graphics (4301 + 2D graphics)
433x  - 68020/25mhz based workstation with 3D graphics (4301 + 3D graphics)

>There were a few dozen 4405 -> 4315 upgrades back in 1988 or so (I had one).
>It's a fairly inexpensive X machine that has approximately the performance
>of a Sun 3 (in fact, it can run a great many Sun 3 binaries).

There were quite a few more than this...  I personally upgraded 10 or so
myself.  Tek labs in Bld50 had a lot of them that were upgraded as well.

UTek 4.x has Sun3 emulation, but only for SunOS version 3.x.  It won't run
SunOS 4.x binaries, sigh.  The 4301 series has a 25mhz clock, -vs-
the Sun 3/60's 20mhz clock.

Later,
	-Jeff
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Jeff Beadles		jeff@onion.rain.com
From: tcsmith@cdmg-hq.UUCP (Ted Smith)
Newsgroups: sac.test
Subject: Testing                  
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:52:17 PST
X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r

Testing WafLineMail.
---
 * OLX 2.2 * How can I miss you if you won't go away?
                                                 
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From: jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US  (Dazed N. Confused)
Newsgroups: sac.test,misc.test
Subject: test
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 13:11:59 PST
Distribution: ca
Organization: Vector Zero


testing
1
2
3

--Jon

   jon@vector0.SAC.CA.US                     Life is like a kiwi.
   citrus.SAC.CA.US!vector0!jon


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From: christa@horga.ruhr.de (Christa Keil)
Newsgroups: de.etc.misc,stgt.general
Subject: Re: Jeans-Mantel
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:34:28 GMT
Organization: SubNet - The Next Generation

thomas@olorin.dark.sub.org (Thomas Fischer) writes:

>Weiss jemand einen Laden in Deutschland (bevorzugt Sued-), in dem man Jeans-
>maentel erstehen kann ? 


Ich hab die Teile seinerzeit bei "Biba" (gibt es zumindest in 
NRW mehrmals) und bei C&A gekauft




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 wesentliche Unterschiede ..." A.F. ueber Z-Netz Gateways und Crosspostings
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From: tews@dfki.uni-sb.de (Martin Tews)
Newsgroups: de.etc.misc
Subject: Re: Kreditkarten
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:00:08 GMT
Organization: DFKI - German Research Center for AI
NNTP-Posting-Host: gs-serv1.dfki.uni-sb.de

In article <rabe.721513247@messua>, rabe@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Ralf G. R. Bergs) writes:
|> 
|> Wenn Du Dir das Subject noch einmal anguckst, dann wirst Du fest-
|> stellen, dass es um KREDITKARTEN geht. Und wenn Du NOCHMAL guckst,
|> dann wirst Du sehen, dass ich vom KARTENkonto gesprochen habe und
|> dafuer gilt genau DAS, was ich gesagt habe.
|> 
Sorry, nix gepeilt, ich bitte mitleidigst um Gnade!

gehe mich morgen nochmal fuer die Grundschule anmelden... ;-)

ciao


-- 
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> Tel: +49 681 302-5333    Fax: +49 681 302-5341  Net: tews@dfki.uni-sb.de <
>        "We're tiny, we're toony, we're all a little loony..."            <
From: tews@dfki.uni-sb.de (Martin Tews)
Newsgroups: de.etc.misc
Subject: Re: Kreditkarten
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:12:44 GMT
Organization: DFKI - German Research Center for AI
NNTP-Posting-Host: gs-serv1.dfki.uni-sb.de

pal@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Peter Loibl) writes:
|> rabe@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Ralf G. R. Bergs) writes:
|> 
|> >Wenn Du eine Kreditkarte beantraegst, legt die kartenfuehrende (nennt
|> >man das so?) Bank fuer Dich ein Kartenkonto an. Das ist im Prinzip
|> >nur ein Pseudo-Konto, Du kannst z.B. VON diesem Konto nichts auf andere
|> >Konten ueberweisen. Andererseits kannst Du (oder ein Dritter) AUF Dein
|> >Kartenkonto Geld ueberweisen, um z.B. den Verfuegungsrahmen (also DEN
|> >Betrag, den Du ausgeben kannst, ohne Ueberziehungszinsen zu zahlen) zu
|> >erhoehen.
|> 
|> >Dieses "Kartenkonto" ist sozusagen nur eine "Nummer". Um etwas auf dieses
|> >Konto zu ueberweisen, ueberweist Du Deiner Kreditkarten-Bank etwas auf
|> >ihr Konto und gibst Deine Kreditkarten-Nr. an.
|> 
|> Von welcher Kreditkarte redest Du? Ich habe zwei (MC & Amex) und bei
|> beiden erfolgt die Abrechnung am Ende eines Monats. Der in Rechnung
|> gestellte Betrag wird dann von meinem Giro abgebucht. Dazwischen
|> gibt es kein imaginaeres Konto! Also keine von mir vorgenommenen
|> Einzahlungen, Vorrausleistungen, ...

Muss gestehen, mir geht's aehnlich (vielleicht hab ich das Problem deswegen
nicht verstanden?), habe Euro+Master, aber von dem oben von Ralf G. R. Bergs
geschilderten Verfahren hoere ich zum ersten Mal.

Wie jetzt ?!? Bekommt man davon normal als Kunde nichts mit, oder wird das
bei verschiedenen Banken verschieden gehandhabt? Oder wird man sogar
vielleicht absichtlich NICHT informiert ?

Und wenn das so ist, wie funktioniert das dann mit den Zinsen?
Und wann wird da abgerechnet?

Lasse mich da gerne noch weiter belehren,

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From: thomas@olorin.dark.sub.org (Thomas Fischer)
Subject: Jeans-Mantel
Organization: Olorin, NeXT Development & System Administration, FRG
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:14:40 GMT

Hallo,

Weiss jemand einen Laden in Deutschland (bevorzugt Sued-), in dem man Jeans-
maentel erstehen kann ? Das scheint nach einer ziemlich erfolglosen Suche
in Stuttgart ein relativ schwieriges Unterfangen zu sein... ;-(

 Thomas
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