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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Xibo on relationships (Was: Re: Strange Days Indeed.....)
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:55:46 GMT

In article <26JAN199317374937@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> caforce@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (DALE FORCE) writes:
>>>>really does seem to work out that way.  Either it's obvious very
>>>>early on that there's going to be boinking action / intamacy, or
>>>>it ends up in a months-long quest with little reward and ultimately
>>>>ends in failure.
>> 
>Not all the time though. I had one relationship where after 7 years of just 
>friends, we almost got married ( if I'd bought the ring before proposing)

Nahh...you're better off waiting until after to get it if you're going to
get one at all. I did the engaged happyyoungcouple thing a few years back
and we broke up before we got the ring. Came in real handy a month later
when I went out to buy my computer.. :) 

---Steve
-- 
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		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me 
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From: dunemush@cogsci.berkeley.edu (DuneMUSH)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny,rec.games.mud.misc
Subject: DuneMUSH seeks more players!
Summary: RPG to begin next week!
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:19:06 GMT
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Followup-To: poster
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Originator: dunemush@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU


Why not try something a little different?


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	DuneMUSH is role-playing MUSH set in the universe of
Frank Herbert's _Dune_ in the year 10,196, just after the first book, but
before _Dune Messiah_. The first event in the game will likely be
the coronation of Paul Atreides as Emperor of the Galaxy. What happens
after that is anyone's guess.

	The Dune RPG will be similar to the Belgariad and Mua'kaar
RPG's, but will focus more on group strategies and goals. Factions
(Atreides, the Imperium, the deposed Padishah Emperor, the Bene Gesserit,
Fremen, the Guild, the Bene Tleilax, and other friends) will struggle
for control over the galaxy and the spice.

	Most all of the roles from the book itself have been filled, but
positions are open in all factions at all levels and ranks. You don't have
to be a book-character to be a major player, and you don't have to be a
major player to enjoy yourself.

	Dune is now open to free character creation (no registration
required) at cogsci.berkeley.edu 4201. The RPG will commence on February 1,
Shai-Hulud willing.

	Miscellaneous inquiries requiring email responses can go to:
dunemush@cogsci.berkeley.edu.

	"Ya hya chouhada!"

	- Paul@DuneMUSH


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From: hudel@waterloo.hp.com (Chris Hudel)
Subject: Re: Xibo on relationships (Was: Re: Strange Days Indeed.....)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:42:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard (Panacom Division)
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DALE FORCE (caforce@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov) wrote:
:I had one relationship where after 7 years of just 
:friends, we almost got married (if I'd bought the ring before proposing)
:                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well then, it sounds as if you were lucky.
Sheesh.
From: karl@hci.npl.co.uk (Karl London)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: DaemonMuck for Linux
Summary: Muck For Linux
Keywords: Daemon Muck Linux
Date: 25 Jan 93 10:29:39 GMT
Reply-To: karl@hci.npl.co.uk
Organization: National Physical Laboratory


 Hi All,
  Would anyone be interested in a copy of DaemonMuck for Linux??

Also would somebody like to mail me (karl@hci.npl.co.uk) with details of the
current versions of Tiny Stuff (Muck/Mud/Muse/Mush/etc), maybe even with info
on where I can get them from... I would like to try and port as many as
possible to run under Linux.. Then I could post diffs back to the real
world....


Karl
From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: Proposal
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:38:40 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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In article <1993Jan20.154712.2086@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jmorrill@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John M Morrill) writes:
>In article <C15JxM.CqJ@polaris.async.vt.edu> jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel F
>urr) writes:
>>I move that we send a delegation composed of Felix Gallo, Edwin Huang, and
>>Gennifer Flowers to Baltimore for the purpose of beating Ken "Mr. Dingbat"
>>Arromdee with a large stick.
>Yes, what you can not accomplish via intelligent discussion, you can accomplish
>via senseless violence.

Actually, you seem to have countered the above statement with your own .sig,
as seen below.


>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Strange problems call for strange solutions.

And if Herr Arromdee is not a 'strange problem', I don't know what -is-.


-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
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From: mdh@genco.bungi.com (Michael Hackett)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny,rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud
Subject: RE:  Can a wizard threaten you in RL????
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:13:36 GMT
Reply-To: mdh@genco.bungi.com (Michael Hackett)
Followup-To: rec.games.mud.tiny
Organization: Gentry & Assoc. Excelsior Springs, MO

In article <1993Jan25.050821.5505@gmuvax2.gmu.edu} jdeutsch@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Jeffrey Deutsch) writes:
}}}   }Dear (player),
}}}   }
}}}   }   We would be most honored if you would pop out of a cake and dance  
}}}   }for us at rob's bachelor party!  Thanks in advance!
}}}   }
}}}   }- Rich
}>
}	Sorry, Jennifer, but "harassment" is not a hunting license
}entitling you to condemn anyone whose behavior you don't like, or
}find offensive, or whatever. It has a very specific meaning: 
}*Intentionally* and *repeatedly* contacting someone in such a
}way that a reasonable person would believe would bother that
}someone (like fondling someone, especially after s/he asks you
}to stop), and in such a way as to violate that someone's rights. 
}A single note asking someone to pop out of a cake and dance at
}a party, however much it may offend your sensibilities, is NOT
}harassment by any (reasonable) stretch of the imagination.
}Anyone receiving such a request who didn't like it can simply
}ignore it.
}	You have no more right to invoke "harassment" to 
}attack behavior of which you disapprove than did some of our
}ancestors three centuries ago to invoke accusations of
}"witchcraft" to condemn people for religious behavior of
}which they disapproved.
}	If anyone is to be accused of harassment here, it should
}be those recipients of that note who, not content with simply just
}DELETING it from their mailboxes (heavens no - that would actually
}RESOLVE the whole thing with no fuss, no muss - and no opportunity
}to do battle in the name of Protecting Those Poor Helpless Females
}From Those *Awful* Male Chauvinist Pigs [redundancy?]!), felt
}compelled to scream bloody murder and waste the valuable time and
}energy (and as a wizard, I can attest to the scarcity of both) of
}the MUD admins - let alone those MUD admins who actually took this
}whole thing SERIOUSLY and came down on the guy worse than I normally
}see illegal pkillers treated!
}
}	Jeff Deutsch

	At this point, I'd like to stand up and applaud.  Jeff seems to
have found what I consider, just the right words for the whole situation.
It has been an entire waste of time and effort on the parts of _all_ 
envolved.

	Thanks, Jeff.

"Be well..."
  Michael


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~  Michael "Lionman" Hackett		mdh@genco.bungi.com	       ~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~  "In the spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control."  ~~
~~  "Hush my darling, be still my darling, the lion's on the phone."   ~~
~~  "In the spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion waves goodbye."  ~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~Quote by They Might Be Giants~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: prism@access.digex.com (Prism)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Paper on Mud Relationships!
Date: 28 Jan 1993 13:24:02 -0500
Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

This is to Elizabeth from Australia (the U of Melbourne?) - 
I got your email but accidentally deleted it, and don't have your return address...
I have a LONG file I wanted to send you.
Sorry for wasting bandwidth.
Thanks in advance >:->

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From: noir@netcom.com (Noel Ang)
Subject: Help needed using TinyFugue with LPMUDs
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:48:50 GMT

Could someone tell me what flags et al in tf that I should set up to make it
work properly with LPMUDs?  I'm getting a lot of 8-bit characters, but their
consistency suggests screen formatting commands that tf is ignoring, rather
than line noise.  Also, I'm getting prompts *after* I hit the ENTER key
(i.e. the 'password:' prompt appearing after I enter my password and
pressing the ENTER key).

Thanks in advance, and I apologize if this is the wrong place to pose this
question.

---
  noel ang        / "Exercise Two:
  noir@netcom.com | There is a field of grain, each stalk perfect, which is
  alhambra ca usa | a field of men.  There is that which is perfect in all
 -----------------| men, common to all, and to find that thing and touch it
  aol bluetokyo   | is to transform all men.  Now ask: is perfection
  cis 71660.2034  | certainty, and are we only perfect when we are dead?"
  gis n.ang       /             --from "Queen of Angels", Greg Bear
Xref: sparky rec.games.mud.tiny:1472 alt.angst:5428 alt.romance:16260 soc.women:22921
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.tiny,alt.angst,alt.romance,soc.women
Subject: Xibo on relationships (Was: Re: Strange Days Indeed.....)
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:53:17 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.

In article <XIBO.93Jan20005322@ziggy.fido.econ.arizona.edu> xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates) writes:
>machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher) writes:
>#This is not always true. However, in 90% of the cases it is. If 
>#romance does not break out in the first two dates, then you've 
>#blown it or she is not interested. Being a "nice guy" doesn't
>#mean you let womyn walk all over you. 
>
>Wow.  I've never really thought about it this way, but y'know, it
>really does seem to work out that way.  Either it's obvious very
>early on that there's going to be boinking action / intamacy, or
>it ends up in a months-long quest with little reward and ultimately
>ends in failure.

So did you know you'd wind up boinking Tank Girl when you first met her on
the muds?  Or was it the public grope session on the couch as detailed in
your "Xibo's Vacation" article that told you it was for real?  I'm
curious, Xibo.  Was the magic there when it was only a virtual reality
romance or does this "first two dates" think apply only to real life?
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: God Conference on Player's Rights
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:58:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.152531.2660@wixer.cactus.org> rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo) writes:
>2) I believe that apartheid is wrong.  I believe that apartheid is morally
>unethical.  I do not believe that blacks have rights under apartheid, because
>that's what apartheid's all about -- denying privileges to the other guys.
>Rights are what the oppressed in South Africa *are trying to get*.

If this is so, then our only difference is in semantics.  You describe a
situation as "X has no rights", while I describe it as "X's rights are freely
violated without penalty".  What I call "rights violations" you call "morally
unethical behavior".  When I speak of the "rights" of blacks under apartheid,
you would instead say "doing so-and-so to them is unethical"; we really agree,
but call the same thing by different names.

But I doubt this.  You now call apartheid morally unethical--even if the whites
get away with it.  Yet, you used to say that there are no such things as
absolute ethics that still exist when unenforced.  And to call apartheid
"morally unethical", even if the blacks can't stop the whites, is a prime
example of exactly the kind of absolute ethical principle you just finished
saying doesn't exist.

You do do insults well, I suppose.  If I ever need another Joel Furr, I might
consider you.
--
"The writer wrestling with an uneasy soul.  Turbulent in its uncovering,
cathartic in its expression.  Huang is a sensitive this age of the world has
not seen."
	-- auzzie about dirque

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Subject: Re: God Conference on Player's Rights
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:37:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.213231.4019@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <C16zJC.62J@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai) writes:
>[deleted]
>
>Indeed, showing that Felix's arguments against ethics on muds also "prove"
>that apartheid is not wrong as long as the whites get away with it, is unlikely
>to convince Felix.  It may do something for public opinion, or at least non-SM
>public opinion, though.

I said nothing of the sort, whatever it was.  Now how am I supposed to defend
myself if I don't know what I said?
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From: jmorrill@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John M Morrill)
Subject: Re: DragonsFire MUSE : DOWN
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:40:38 GMT

In article <1k42puINNnuk@shelley.u.washington.edu> Edward.L.Wallace@dartmouth.e
du (Edward L. Wallace) writes:
>DragonsFire MUSE's process was 'killed' earlier today by the new
>administrator of its host.  The Directorate has been officially
>notified that a MUSE (or MUD in general) is inappropriate for that
>machine, and can no longer run there.
>
>As an ex-Director of the MUSE (and the person who handled the talks
>regarding the shutdown) you should all consider DragonsFire MUSE down
>until further notice.  The directory and db has been archived and is
>stored at a safe location.
>
>
>F'lyr, rider of bronze Neloranth - Weyrleader of Fort Weyr
>Founding Member/Ex-Director - DragonsFire MUSE
>
>
>--
>rec.games.mud.announce submissions: rgm-announce@glia.biostr.washington.edu
>other stuff related to that group:  rgm-announce-request@glia...
>mudlist-related mail:            mudlist@glia.biostr.washington.edu
>other mail of a personal nature:    scott@glia... or scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu






This article taken a while to get ot my site. It arrived here on 26-JAN-1993.
Anyway, Dragonsfire is back up. It is at chronos.clock.org 4444
 See you all there!
-- 
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Strange problems call for strange solutions.
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From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Subject: Re: God Conference on Player's Rights
Followup-To: rec.games.mud.tiny
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:25:31 GMT

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>
>Indeed, showing that Felix's arguments against ethics on muds also "prove"
>that apartheid is not wrong as long as the whites get away with it, is unlikely
>to convince Felix.

There are some extremely serious things wrong with Ken's sentence, above.

1) I am not arguing against ethics on muds.  I am arguing that there are no
rights guaranteed to players on muds, and also that there are no such things
as 'objective ethics' in which one possesses 'rights' even though the
possession of those rights means less than a hill of beans to anyone else.

2) I believe that apartheid is wrong.  I believe that apartheid is morally
unethical.  I do not believe that blacks have rights under apartheid, because
that's what apartheid's all about -- denying privileges to the other guys.
Rights are what the oppressed in South Africa *are trying to get*.

You know, when I said that Ken couldn't read the English language before,
I was only half-serious.  But this tripe's astonishing.

By the way, this is the commemorative Nth article from Ken that has completely
ignored the real, substantiative issues in favor of cutting and pasting and
making false statements.  Save it, treasure it, frame it on the wall with the
caption "defeat: the agony of humiliation."

>--
>"Are you going with the fallacious assumption that we all think alike just
>because we're superior to just about anyone else?"
>	-- Felix Gallo, about the alleged Random Gang
>
>Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)


-- 
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Felix Sebastian Gallo                              rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org
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From: caforce@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (DALE FORCE)
Subject: Re: Xibo on relationships (Was: Re: Strange Days Indeed.....)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 26 Jan 1993 17:37 EST  

In article <w2j3qsf@rpi.edu>, petitc@nuge115.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit) writes...
>>In article <XIBO.93Jan20005322@ziggy.fido.econ.arizona.edu> xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates) writes:
> 
>>>Wow.  I've never really thought about it this way, but y'know, it
>>>really does seem to work out that way.  Either it's obvious very
>>>early on that there's going to be boinking action / intamacy, or
>>>it ends up in a months-long quest with little reward and ultimately
>>>ends in failure.
> 
Not all the time though. I had one relationship where after 7 years of just 
friends, we almost got married ( if I'd bought the ring before proposing)
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From: ghudson@athena.mit.edu (Greg Hudson)
Subject: Re: God Conference on Player's Rights
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:22:06 GMT

Ken Arromdee, <1993Jan24.201645.7815@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>:
> There is a fallacy that probably lacks a Latin name, but it is a
> fallacy nonetheless: the fallacy that a comparison of an argument
> for X to an argument for Y is a comparison of X to Y.

You do a wonderful job of ignoring the specifics in favor of the
abstract.  I claimed that auzzie believes in the society analogy, and
went from there.  If you disagree that auzzie is a proponent of the
society analogy, then go ahead and say it; perhaps I'm wrong about
that.  If you think I was directly attacking auzzie's challenge to
Felix, then I suggest you were reading too much into my quoting, which
was merely an illustration without rigor of a point I didn't expect
anyone to contest.  I have very little interest in your arguments on
philosophy.

> Oh yeah, and if one asserts "I believe Z" one must out of
> consistency assert Z,and if one asserts Z one must assert that one
> believes Z.  Prefixing a statement with "I believe" gives exactly no
> information.

You make the error of assuming that common language use follows strict
logical rules.  Felix's statement, "I believe apartheid is wrong," may
be an appeal to objective ethics if decomposed blindly, but proponents
of subjective ethics commonly use such statements to mean something as
weak as, "Apartheid offends my sensibilities."  Perhaps "weak" isn't
the proper word, since, if I may borrow from Felix's argument, an
objective ethics system is completely useless, while a subjective
belief (for that matter, a subjective belief about an allegedly
objective ethics system) can make a difference if acted upon.

--Greg
Rapidly spending his nitpicking allowance for the year

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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Subject: Shame
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:59:59 GMT

My hypothesis is that a feeling of shame (or humiliation) is a major cause of
long-threads.  That, and the desire to shame (or humiliate) the other side.
I doubt anyone (presumably undecided) is really going to be convinced of the
correctness of either side at this point.

Shame.  Even loathesome politicians speaking seldom dog a point this bad short
of a filibuster.
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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai)
Subject: Re: God Conference on Player's Rights
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:02:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.000550.26774@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.051917.10364@wixer.cactus.org> rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo) writes:
>>Note that it was (moved) because a digression ensued earlier in which I
>>noted that abstract objective ethics are as useful as the Santa Claus myth.
>
>Did I say anything about abstract objective ethics being _useful_?

You're foolin yourself.  We're livin' in a dictorship!

>>out of context
>
>out-of-context quote

On muds, the ruling classes use outdated imperialistic dogma to artificially
maintain the socioeconomic differences between the classes--

>>when confronted with the fact that objective rights are as
>>applicable as fairy tales,
>
>you've confronted me with the fact that objective rights are often
>unenforceable

Ken: Help, help!  I'm being repressed!  See the violence inherent in the
     system!
Felix: Shut up!  You bloody peasant!
Ken: Did you see that?  A dead giveaway!  Didja see him repressing me?  That's
     what I've been going on about!

I just hope this scene ends before it gets too stale.
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