HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Haifa University Address
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:23:31 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

>This is none of my bsiness but why would your friend want to do a PhD at
> Haifa University? I hope she realizes the dissertation is written in
> Hebrew.

Well, I didn't question her, but she did mention that a representative 
visited her University, George Washington, on a recruitment trip and 
spoke with a group of people in the hope of convincing some to attend 
Haifa University's PhD program in education.  I suspect this is reason 
enough.

Todd (starting to see this name more and more, aren't we?)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:17043 soc.culture.polish:2997
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Fair play or bug
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:05:06 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:


>I noticed a problem which could occur as a result of not exactly fair
>play or simply exists as a bug. Whenever people are trying to cross post
>something from s.c.p. to s.c.j. like this time - it appears only
>in s.c.p. If s.c.j. readers do not wish to read our posts it is
>quite enough to say that - tricks and gimmicks are not necessary,
>I think. Until that problem is resolved one way or the other
>I would like to ask s.c.j. readers not to cross post on s.c.p.
>I think netiquette requires something like that.

>A. Mazur
  
   Strange. Having  observed the exactly symetric problem that the Golem
here rejects any attempt to cross post to s.c.p, I then clearly wrongly
charged the computer system. Now I understand that there must be some
strange trick or gimmick involved. Strange, indeed...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Subject: *Jesus of Nazareth*
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:33:45 GMT

	I've been wondering what the specific Jewish
theological reaction to several components of Christian
theology are.

1)	My understanding of Jewish tradition concerning the
sacrifice of animals in the Temple is that their blood
(along with the sincere repentance of the offender) washed
away the sin. Humans were strictly forbidden as sacrificial
objects. Christians, along with conveying deityship on Jesus,
also describe him as fully human. If, as they say, he was killed
to "wash away the sins of mankind", wouldn't this fall into
the category of human sacrifice?

2)	There has also been some suggestion that Jesus went
willingly (to some extent) to the cross specifically to
"wash away" said sins. Wouldn't this be considered suicide?

3)	Finally, when Christians consume the host and drink the
sacremental wine, at the moment they enter the mouth, they are
supposedly transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus
respectively. Isn't this cannibalism?

I'm honestly not trying to be provacative. Every time I think
on these issues (which isn't often) these are the interpretations
I come up with. I want to know if they're supported by Jewish
theological thought or not.  I'm also thinking of posting this to
some Christian newsgroup to hear their interpretations, but this
group's thoughts are more important to me.

---
memco@wotan.cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152)
Subject: Re: T'chelet: can anyone help this guy?
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 16:46:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.185310.13787@cbnews.cb.att.com>
ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>
>[...]
>2. If the commandment says to place techailet in the tzitzit and
>   we don't, how is this better than placing what we think is
>   techailet (even if it's possible we are wrong)?  Isn't it better
>   to try to follow th commandment than to throw up our hands
>   and say it's impossible?

I believe this was the reasoning of Rabbi Mordecai Kaplan z'tzl, who (I
have heard) wore a tallit with techelet threads in the tzitiot.  I have
no idea what dye he used.  Anybody on the net from the RRC?

-- 

 |\/|  /_\  \/
 |  | /   \ /\                      Max.Stern@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Re: * Jesus Christ? *
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:01:18 GMT

(Stan Krieger) writes:

>	Jews don't believe that Mohammed was a great prophet and follow
>	his teachings because if we did, we'd be Moslems and not Jews.

>	Jews don't follow the teachings of Buddha because if we did,
>	we'd be Buddhists and not Jews.

>	Jews don't observe the rites of the Shinto religion because if we
>	did, we'd be observing Shintoism and not Judaism.

>	Jews don't believe that Yeshua ben Yosef was the Messiah because
>	if we did,  we'd be observing Christianity and not Judaism.

>In other words, asking Jews why they don't believe Jesus to be the
>Messiah is as ludicrous as asking us why we don't follow the teachings
>of Buddha.  Either belief has absolutely nothing to do with Judaism.

So you mean to say, that there is nothing that Jews find objectionable
in these beliefs except being called Moslems, Buddhists, Shintoist or
Christians.  What in a name? A Jew by any other name...etc.  If the
name calling is all that Jews object to, so that they will be recognized
as a group, then there is little to differentiate them from the others.

I am afraid you still have not addressed the issue.  Why does Judaism
not recognize Jesus as the Messiah?  

To answer the question one has to further clarify.  Which Jesus?  The
Jesus of tradition, the Jesus of the "New" Testament, or the Jesus of
History.  Each is different, and each has been addressed differently
in Judaism.

>Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
>UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
>Summit, NJ
>smk@usl.com
--
Eli Chiprout
Dept. of Electronics
Carleton University	
emc@doe.carleton.ca	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: edelheit@smiley.mitre.org (Jeff Edelheit)
Subject: Re: Shul name
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:14:31 GMT

In article <ld11d7INN60e@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>
>Then of course there's a friend of mine's name for an extremely lax 
>Reform synagogue where we used to live: "Our Lady of the Perpetual 
>Simchas" 
>
This seems to be a common thread.  There is one very Reform schul I
know of that formerly shared a building with a Roman Catholic Church.
The schul got the nickname "Our Lady of Perpetual Mitzvah".

Jeff Edelheit		email:  edelheit@mitre.org
The MITRE Corporation	voice:  (703) 883-7586
7525 Colshire Drive	FAX:	(703) 883-1397
McLean, VA   22102
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: Re: Tzom Gedalya
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 12:23:55 +0200

In: <1992Oct1.220225.28863@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)fills in the rest of the
Gedalyahu  story as  given in  the book  of Yirmiyahu.   After reading
Hillel's  article I  read it  now in  the Tanakh.   I am  greateful to
Hillel for  pointing this out.  I  had looked at the  end of Yirmiyahu
where the  burning of the  Temple is mentioned  and the exile,  and as
Gedalyahu had not  been mentioned, I gave up.  I  should have realized
that the editors of that book were  not very good in keeping the story
in some form of chronological order.

I wish only  to comment on one aspect of  Hillel's article towards the
end, skipping all the rest:

>                                              However, when the
>Rabbis made the Takono for the fast they made it for the third
>since we cannot fast on Yom Tov.  Note that this is not like the
>case of Tisha B'Av falling out on Shabbos so we fast on the tenth
>(Sunday).  Rather the original takono was specifically for the
>third of tishrei.  There is a difference in that if someone has a
>bris on the tenth of Av which is the fast day, the father, the
>sandek, and the mohel must eat the seudah.  This does not apply to
>Tzom Gedaliah.
>
>(The last bit of Halacha is from a Dvar Torah by Rabbi Kaganoff
>this Yom Tov who saw this occur while he was at Ner Yisroel in
>Baltimore).

Usually  one performs  a Brit  Milah during  daytime, perhaps  by that
making it easier to find a minyan, but  can one not have a Brit in the
evening? If one can,  so if a boy is born on Ellul  25, the eighth day
being Tishre 3, why not perform the Brit sometime in the evening after
the end of Rosh Hashana? In that  case everyone can eat at the se'uda.
The only point against it could be the one brought by Warren, and that
is  that after  two days  of Rosh  Hashana no  person is  able to  eat
anything let alone a se'uda :-).

On Tish'a  be'av whether  regular or postponed,  this trick  would not
work, because  there the fasting  lasts the  whole day (not  just from
morning till evening).

>| Hillel Markowitz        |    Im ain ani li mi li             |

   Michael Shimshoni
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.discrimination
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:51:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.184205.26937@Princeton.EDU>
egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Edward G. Nilges) writes:

>of Muslim fundamentalism than of fundamentalism.  Nor do I think that
>chauvinism is necessarily a part of fundamentalism; in America, women
>are sometimes empowered by their association with fundamentalist
>churches.  The Jewish women attacked at the Wailing Wall were attempting
>to practise their faith in a somehwat fundamentalist manner.

 . . .

>ignorance.  Truth is never imperialistic.  Your imperialism was a
>compound of your telling Imran how to behave, speaking falsely (though
>in good faith), and speaking of another culture in an oversimplified
>fashion.  Otherwise every declarative sentence is "imperialist".  And
>that's absurd.

>Check out Matt Rosenblatt's recent posting re Lex Loci and my subsequent
>nuke of same for imperialism and its critique.

If you are refering to the group of women who attempted a women's
prayer service at the Wailing Wall in direct contravention of the laws
of the State, the Halachic (Jewish legal) authorities, and custom, you
are mistaken.  These women are not fundamentalist unless your use of
fundamentalist is as twisted and incorrect as the use of "impreialism"
you condemn.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:19:54 GMT

In article <FAIGIN.92Sep24112921@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org
(Daniel P. Faigin) writes:

>Depending on your level of observance, it may or may not be that much of a
>loss. Being Reform, I do not go to work on the day of Rosh Hashana and Yom
                                            ^^^
>Kippur; I don't take full days off for any other Jewish holidays (although I
>do try and avoid travel during Pesach). However, the company kindly gives me
>Christmas off (and sometimes the day before), so I only effectively lose one

"The" day of RH?  Which day?  There are two, you know.

I point this out because of one of the most misleading things that Reform
has done to Jewish holiday observance.  In their quest for whaterver it is
their questing, they've eliminated the addtional days of our holidays for
those outside Israel.  There are good reasons for them, but that's for a
different post.  They claim that they cut the extra days because they
aren't celebrated in Israel so there's no need to do so outside of Israel.
They even cut the second (or is the the first?) day of Rosh Hashana even
though even Israel celebrates _both_ days of RH.  Worse, they claim that
Israel has only one day of RH, just as Israel has only one day of
Shavuout.  While it is true that one only celebrates one day of Shavuout
in Israel, Rosh Hashana does last a full two days in Israel.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: * Jesus Christ? *
Followup-To: alt.messianic 
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:51:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.070524.4767@javelin.sim.es.com> JHIATT@130.187.170.178 (JOHN HIATT) writes:
>  I do not want to ask an intensely detailed question so I'll ask as simply
>as possible:
>  How does Jesus of Nazareth fail to be the messiah?
 The same way Shabbtai Zvi does.
>  Thanks.
  Note followup line.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: PLEASE!  I need your help!  Help me keep this love alive!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:49:40 GMT

In article <9210012034.AA14344@po.CWRU.Edu> <<ejd3@po.cwru.edu>> writes:
> 
>Dave, There is no viable solution to this dillema accept for 
>breaking up.  You cant convert to Judaism just for the sake
>of marrying somebody Jewish.  I dont think you want to destroy
>her family by pressuring her to marry you.  I dont think you
>want to agonize your girlfriend either.  Set her free, there
>are other (non-Jewish) fish in the sea.  Sincerely, Eliot.    
>     
>     

Set her free? What makes yoy think that he has her trapped and not the
other way around? 
Maybe she does not set him free.
What makes you think that breaking with him will be less agonizing
for her than breaking with her parent's traditions?
What makes you think that he is pressuring her to marry him?

There is a vialble solution for this problem: To tear down all traditions
that keep some people blind.

AAP





>     
>
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Using vacation days for the Jewish Holidays
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:13:12 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Sep30.121954.20321@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <FAIGIN.92Sep24112921@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org
>(Daniel P. Faigin) writes:

>>Depending on your level of observance, it may or may not be that much of a
>>loss. Being Reform, I do not go to work on the day of Rosh Hashana and Yom
>                                            ^^^
>>Kippur; I don't take full days off for any other Jewish holidays (although I
>>do try and avoid travel during Pesach). However, the company kindly gives me
>>Christmas off (and sometimes the day before), so I only effectively lose one

>"The" day of RH?  Which day?  There are two, you know.

It is true that two days are celebrated in Israel.  But this is a more
modern version, and is not Biblically commanded.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Y'hi Ratson at the Table
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:13:36 GMT

The Shimoff Rosh haShana table was graced by the presence of Dan
(shdan@tudor.com), coprocessor Gayle, and spawned process Tani.

Naturally, discussion turned to the Y'hi ratson prefaces to the
various special Rosh haShana foods.  To which we add:

Gefilte fish: Y'hi ratson she'yimale [gefilte] mishalot libenu,

and

Techina: Y'hi ratson she't'kabel t'chinatenu.

May the coming year be mitzva-full and flame free.



-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: rice@enterprise.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel S. Rice)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Hebrew origin of some English words
Date: 6 Oct 1992 05:33:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.berkeley.edu

	My Even-Shoshan happens to be handy, so I looked up a few of
the words Ben mentioned.

In article <22559@venera.isi.edu> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.111301.11558@discus.technion.ac.il> ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff) writes:
>> 1. mysterious/mystery - from l'hastir
>This one is truly intriguing!  Webster's notes that 'mystery's
>derivation in Greek is uncertain, and 'STR' is unquestionably early in
>Hebrew, and we have 'mistor' -- a hiding or hidden place -- from it!
>But 'mistorin' (= mystery) in Hebrew has a typical Aramaic ending, which
>indicates introduction into Hebrew in Mishnaic times!  Was this loaned to
>both Greek and Hebrew?  Was there a borrowing back from Greek of
>something originally Semitic???  Just looks too good to be a
>coincidence.  I wish I had my Even Shushan in the office...

	Even-Shoshan shows "mistor" as deriving from s-t-r, and indeed it
can be found in Isaiah.  But under "mistorin" (spelled with taf), he
says "from mistor, a Hebrew form of the Greek misterion, see also mistorin
(with tet)".  Under "mistorin" (spelled with tet), only the Greek is
mentioned.  So this one seems like there might have been a re-borrowing
in the time of the Sages, who perhaps were unaware of the Hebrew origins
of the word they were borrowing.  Just conjecture, of course.

>> 3. regular - from ragil
>
>Doesn't look that way to me from reading Webster's etymology of the
>'regular', plus the use of 'ragil' in this sense doesn't seem very
>ancient to me.

	Even-Shoshan shows "ragil" deriving from "regel," of course.
The earliest usages seem to be in Talmudic and Midrashic works.  It
seems possible that the writers were influenced to extend an existing
root by its similarity to Latin.  A modern example of this is "`ilit,"
which extends the existing "`iliy" to be more like the French "elite."

						Dan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Shul name
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 15:36:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.011351.10613@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> ayf@pruxp.att.com (Avi Feldblum) writes:

>Then there is the Saint Regis Shul in Rochester, N.Y. where I davened
>for about a year and a half. I know it had some "real" name (I think it
>might have been Beth Hakaneset Hachadash?), but I would guess that the

Where I lived in Melbourne, Australia, there was a shul that
historically broke away from the Mizrachi minyan, at the time of some
revolution or other in Africa, or so I've been told.  Even though it
is officially known as the "Caulfield Bais HaMedrash" or some such,
the knickname of "Katanga" has stuck.  It has always been known as the
"Katanga Shul".

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: * Jesus Christ? *
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:26:26 GMT
Followup-To: alt.messianic
Keywords: They're Baaaaaack

Wonderful.  It's been quiet and peaceful with no missionaries on
soc.culture.jewish for over a month.  I knew it couldn't last.

In article <1992Oct2.070524.4767@javelin.sim.es.com> bozo writes:

>  How does Jesus of Nazareth fail to be the messiah?

It's funny, but I wonder how anyone could possibly think he was the
messiah.  After all, the messiah is supposed to bring world peace and all
sorts of other good things that obviously haven't happened.  I can't see
why G-d would send a messiah then say "oops, I made a mistake, I'm taking
him back and I'll send him some other day."

Please don't bother explaining why you think he is.  We know all the
Christian reasons, proofs, mistranslations, and out-of-context quotes
from the "old" testament. Jews simply don't believe that an omniscient,
omnipotent G-d would need to write a Bible then declare it obsolete and
replaced by a "new" testament, Koran, LRonHubbard novel, or any other
piece of fiction, no matter how interesting or well written.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Halacha of sex change
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:03:54 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: lmk2@garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1apnsfINNrb9@agate.berkeley.edu>, lmk2@garnet writes:
>It seems that the prevailing opinion is that, although Halacha would
>not encourage such a change (even perhaps forbid it), that once the
>person has become whatever sex that he/she should be required to
>fulfill the requirements of that sex (not their previous one).

The rabbis I asked--and yes, it has come up--all said that sex changes
are simply not recognized.  Once a male, always a male, and so on.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: apartment near bar-ilan
Summary: looking for apartment
Date: 4 Oct 92 09:29:14 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

I am looking to share, with religious males,  an apartment, preferably
with English speakers, although I can cope with Israelis :-), near
Bar-Ilan University.  If anybody knows of somebody looking to fill up
an apartment, or who wants to join in the search for me, please
contact me, either via email, or by telephone:

03-532 1628 (I have an answering machine)

I would prefer in the Ramat-Ilan neighbourhood

Be'ahavat Chinam
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: The messiah
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:27:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Oct5.192756.25987
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct2.201413.7051@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>
>Note that the Messiah might be in the *process* of coming; that is, by
>traditional Jewish belief, it is entirely possible that some Jew now
>alive is the man who will become the Messiah. However, he isn't the
>Messiah yet.

There is a medrash which states that the Messiah is always here, and
that if we (as a nation) listen for him, he will come.

Personally, I believe that there is a person in every generation with
the potential to be the messiah.  At such time that God decides that
the world is ready, this person will get his holy quest and assume the
role of Messaih.



-- 
David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"