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From: joyce@meaddata.com
Subject: POCONOS
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:42:53 GMT

Hi everyone! I am thinking of going to the Poconos (around Bushkill)
this Labor Day weekend. I am driving from New York City and I am
wondering if somebody could give me information of what to do and
what's the best area to see, etc. I only have maybe a day and if we
decide to stay overnight, I am looking at some place in Scranton. 
Appreciate anybody's input.

Joyce
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive tourists.
Date: 2 Sep 1992 18:27:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This summer I was able to revisit ARCHES NM in Utah. There we 
encountered many foreign tourists. Here are a couple of ob-
servations:
   Germans: In spite of the heat they would not wear hats for
protection from the sun and were not carrying water. We gave
a party most of our since we had plenty at camp. They also were
not receptive to my suggestions for desert safety (albeit in
my rather broken  German).
   Japanese: They carried carts full of Evian water and made
hats out of the maps.
  Whaddya think?
-- 
Ted....
From: libman@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Marlena Libman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Atlanta at Lasta
Date: 26 Aug 1992 11:24:11 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
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Summary: Mid-October visit


After connecting at Hartfield airport no less than 3 times, I get to
actually spend some time *in* Atlanta at last.  If you are familiar
with that city, please e-mail me info on sightseeing, restaurants not
to miss, and weather conditions around mid-October.  Thanksalot.

				--Marlena
From: craighub@tc.fluke.COM (Craig Huber)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,fluke.general
Subject: VACATION RENTAL SEPT. 11-18
Keywords: San Diego Area
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:51:55 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA


                   VACATION RENTAL AVAILABLE SEPT. 11-18, 1992
                        CARLSBAD INN, CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA

* Set on a bluff overlooking the Pacific Ocean, just north of San Diego
* One bedroom condominium, sleeps 4
* Unit includes kitchen with refrigerator, stove, dishwasher, microwave oven.
   A television and VCR are also included.
* Available on-site at resort:
    -- Swimming pool
    -- Health club with exercise equipment
    -- Whirlpool spas
    -- Playground area
    -- Restaurant
    -- Shopping Area
    -- Beach within 100 yards

* Available within six miles of resort:
    -- Water skiing
    -- Wind surfing
    -- Boating
    -- Fishing
    -- Golf
    -- Tennis

* Attractions such as Disneyland, Knott's Berry Farm, San Diego Zoo, Sea World,
  and Universal Studios, to name a few, all within an easy drive.

Available for $350 for the week.  The normal resort rental rate is $750/week.
Call for more information: (206) 356-5432 days or (206) 823-5551 evenings.
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From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Stansted or Gatwick
Keywords: london traveler
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:50:08 GMT
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies

In article <191@irsaims.UUCP> dennis@irsaims.UUCP (Dennis Hank) writes:
>
>	My wife and I will be travelling to London (first time) in October
>	and had planned on using frequent flier mileage to purchase our
>	tickets.  Unfortunately, Amer. Airlines will only allow you to use
>	those miles if you fly into Stansted.  

Really?  Hmm.  I can almost believe they'd do this to beef up traffic
on the new Stansted route.

I booked AAdvantage award travel just last night, SFO-Heathrow, although
I had a choice of a number of different flights into Heathrow, Gatwick
or Stansted.  The only restriction (other than blackout dates and a
limited number of award seats per flight) was that the international
segment be out of the gateway city closest to the point of origination.
So I'm flying SFO-Chicago-Heathrow rather than SFO-NY-Heathrow, as
originally planned.

Having listened to dire warnings about blackout dates and limited seating,
I didn't think I'd be able to get good seats for travel in December, but
I got bulkhead seats on all my flight segments.  (I don't have to clamber
over people to go to the loo--yippee!)

It's true that I'm using an award rather than mileage, so that may make
the difference between airports.

>	We do have an option to buy one ticket and use the frequent flier
>	miles for the other (Amer. Airlines, aren't they great) but we
>	really would prefer not to spend the money on airfare, but rather
>	on other things we might do one the trip - like eat, sleep in a bed.....

Now I'm confused.  You said American would only allow you to fly into
Stansted, using the mileage.  Surely you don't intend to go on different
flights...  You're right to want to save money, though; London is expensive
beyond belief.  Frommer's quotes rental car one-day rates at $70-135 (for
a subcompact), but says you can get discounted rates for longer terms.  I
should hope!  I wonder if you really want to rent a car, anyway.  You say
this is your first trip; cars are difficult to deal with in London.  Not
only do those silly furriners drive on the wrong side, but car parks are
very expensive.  Your best London transit bets are the tube (Underground,
what we'd call a subway) and the busses.

Even though it looks like American is being picky about how you can use
the mileage, it's still free, right?  That's hard to knock.

Charleen
--
My mother wants grandchildren, so I said, "Mom, go for it!"  -- Sue Murphy
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From: G0900@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Subject: Re:  Santorini, Greece.
Organization: CSU
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:29:17 GMT

Do go to Santorini, it is a beautiful place.  Yes there are a lot
of shops and people but I went in July and had a great time.
Akortiti ---   The city that was covered by the volcano. its amazing!
Oia --- Go and see the sunset.. it is fantastic! people go there
just to see the sunset.  there is a castle there, i didnt get to see it
but people were there watching the sunset.
I stayed on the black sand beach and I saw signs for the red, and white
beaches.
You can go to any travel agent there and they can set you up on these
tours.
The trip to the two volcanos is highly recommended. The group I was with
did not go there. You can catch ferries to other islands nearby
for day excursions.
Dont forget to do some shopping!!
When I was there we saw from the airport some old american planes
taking off and landing.
I forget the name of the town but we found the town that has the blue
domed church that is used in a lot of the postcards.  I think renting
mopeds is inexpensive once I heard 20 dollars for a day.  but becareful
anywhere in Greece they are covered with mopeds!!
 
If you are a risk taker.... ride the donkey up to the town from the port
that was an experience I will not forget!!!!
 
What other islands will you be visiting?? Crete is great has many famous
palaces to visit.  beaches are nice yes they are hot on the islands but
still nice to visit.  lots of caves to visit on Crete.  Mykonos is similar
to Santorini and if you go to Mykonos must go to Delos!!
 
Where in Athens will you be going??
 
Katherine Pasalis
g0900 at csuohio    or    g0900 at vmcms.csuohio.edu
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Czechoslovakia
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:08:46 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Cherie Warren) wrote:
> markl@bucket.rain.com (Mark Lilly) writes:
>> Must i convert a set amount of currency?
> No set conversions anymore either; that nonsense has been done away with
> since the fall of authoritarian-Soviet-style communism.

No, now they've got a whole bunch of capitalist nonsense instead.  There
are money-changing places all over town that advertise that they have the
best rates (the two major chains are Chequepoint and Exact Change).  What
you have to look *really* deep in the fine print to notice is that they
charge 9% commission and a hefty minimum.

Instead, use CEDOK (the state tourist agency) or a conventional bank (which
I think are still state-owned, but I may be wrong).  Their rates are not
that much less, their commission is 2% at the most, and there is no
minimum.  There's an ATM that takes either VISA or Mastercard - I forget
which but it's only one of them and definitely *not* Amex - by the "Na
Mustku" exit of the Mustek metro station.  It's a normal bank and charges
2%, I think.


> As far as "cool things", pick up a copy of Baedeker's _Prague_ for a
> major set of hints.

The Rough Guide to Czechoslovakia ("Real Guide" in the US, I think) and the
Insight Guide are pretty good - haven't seen Baedeker so I can't compare;
the Insight Guide's pictures will be hard to beat.  There are also a couple
of English-language weekly papers, "Prague Post" and "Prognosis", aimed at
tourists, that are on sale everywhere.  They must be edited by Americans -
they have the godawful sententiousness of Time or the National Geographic -
but are up-to-date and useful.

I wish I'd managed to see Laterna Magika - they weren't playing when I was
there.  See the Ministry of Culture theatre's booking office (in the strange
glass-brick thing on Narodni truda) or CEDOK.  The description in the Insight
Guide and the pictures on the posters look astonishing.

-- 
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17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
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From: rforster@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Russ Forster)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Exchanging Time Share weeks for Orlando - info required
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:10:30 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

	We have a Time Share week in Canada, we are attempting to do our
	first exchange through RCI for two weeks in Orlando.  We have a
	'blue' week and of course everything in Orlando is 'red'.  We are not
	having much luck getting two weeks in Orlando between Oct 17 and Oct
	30.  Has anybody had similar experences?  Any suggestions?
-- 
Regards,

Russ Forster (postmaster), Sr. Technical Analyst, MultiVendor Group
BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., V8X 4S8
Internet: RForster@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA       Phone: (604) 389-3186
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From: bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Cigarette butts (was: Loud irritating American tourists.)
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:21:02 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <25AUG199212491173@arecibo.aero.org>, terwill@arecibo.aero.org (Bill who?) writes...
> 
>Well, as an American visiting one of my favorite local spots last March,
>Inspiration Point in Yosemite National Park, I observed a large group of
>Germans get off a tour bus, start talking loudly and, almost everyone over the
>age of 15 lit a cigarette. It was obvious that they were glad to be off the bus
>and excited by seeing the valley in all her winter splender. However, before
>returning to the bus they all, yes I watched this carefully, crushed their
>cigarette butts beneath their shoes and left them at Inspiration Point as a
>token of their appreciation. 
> 
>I have also observed Japanese doing this in Hawaii (but not at Inspiration
>Point :).) I believe that not all Germans are litterbugs, nor are all 
>Japanese, but conversly, I beleive all people who generalize are fools.
> 
>Bill

Hmm, I'd almost be willing to generalize that all smokers are litterbugs.
(Regardless of nationality).  Why is it that cigarette butts can't be
thrown in wastecans (after making sure the fire is out, of course)?  
I do not smoke, but am not particularly anti-smoking.  But I HATE seeing
cigarette butts everywhere.  I wonder if this doesn't enter into the 
anti-smoking crusade?
From: bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Subject: Re: NEW YORK SKYLINE
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:29:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.164536.4292@meaddata.com> joyce@meaddata.com  writes:
>Could somebody please tell me where I can get a good view of 
>the New York City skyline? I want to get some pictures either
>early in the morning or at sundown. Thanks!

You can get an excellent view of the New York skyline from the Staten
Island Ferry.  The waterfront at Jersey City, NJ, also seems to have an
excellent view of the skyline, although I've only seen pictures.

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From: amg8408@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Avijit  Moitra)
Subject: What to see/do in/around Montreal, Canada
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:41:16 GMT

I will be visiting Montreal,Canada during the last week of October, any 
suggestions/recommendations regarding the following will be highly appreciated.

	-Things to do/places to see in/around Montreal

	- Special events in October

	- Local Resteurants 

	- Weather (Need jackets/sweaters?)

	- Car rental (Is it cheap and is city bus services good to move around)

An e-mail reply will be appreciated.  Thanks in asvance.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: B&Bs in London, Lake Dist. Area etc.
From: sscalia@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:28:31 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

I'm posting this for a friend of mine who will be traveling to the U.K.
sometime in June.  She would very much appreciate receiving information,
personal recommendations, and brief descriptions (if possible) for
B&Bs in London, Cogswold(sp?) and the Lake District area.  I think she's
looking for moderately priced B&Bs.

Thank you.

Santina

You can post directly to this group or e-mail at SSCALIA@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU
From: venable@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wallace Venable)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Europe - Strategies for dealing with exchange rates, money etc.
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:49:43 GMT
Organization: WVU College of Engineering

>->* Credit Cards: 
>->  There seem to two schools of thought on using credit cards. One that says 
>->  that credit card companies usually give you a more favourable exchange 
>->  rate. The other claim is that places that accept credit cards charge 
>->  higher prices in the first place (to offset the fee they pay to the credit 
>->  card companies) and this offsets the exchange gain.
	SOMETIMES.  Not "generally" true, but it does usually apply to the 
cheapest accomodations, which are small operations.
	In Britain, at least, supermarkets and other large retailers 
routinely take plastic at normal prices.  Would you tell a visitor to the 
U.S. to avoid K-Mart because their prices are raised to cover credit costs?
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: I want to go to Europe
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:52:12 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Aug27.161206.26338@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:

>In article <27AUG199210485466@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> afruben@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (RUBEN DELROSARIO) writes:
>>
>>  My wife and me are thinking about going to Europe sometime in 1993 (
>>possible Summer).  We are thinking of a travel with back-packs, jeans, 
>>shirts.  Maybe arriving in Spain and start traveling from there (we do not 

>BUY A GUIDEBOOK.  Better yet, two or three.  The "Let's Go" series of
>budget travel books would probably be perfect for what you want, and
>although I have never used them, they're highly regarded by the

I strongly recommend two books: "Let's Go" for details and 
"Europe Through the Back Door" by Rick Steves for general advice on
packing, itinerary, language, etc. The Steves book was 100% on target
and I am glad that I followed a lot of his advice!

Hope this person reads the group and sees this :-)

--
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From: kimman@Ingres.COM (kimman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: The naming of the transit system in the Bay Area.
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:03:25 GMT
Distribution: na

BART doesn't stand for Bart Simpson, although I chuckled a bit.
BART stands for Bay Area Rapid Transit.
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: The new Pittsburgh airport
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:08:19 GMT

When does the new Pittsburgh airport open?  With all the hype out of
USAir I was wondering if I would get to see it during a transfer I was
just booked on for September 25.

For that matter, when will the new USAir terminal at LaGuardia open?
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
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From: jessup@dot.cs.colorado.edu (Elizabeth Jessup)
Subject: travel to Caracas, Venezuela
Keywords: cheaper ticket source
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:53:43 GMT


Does anyone know of an agency that offers unsold-seat or other sorts
of deals to Caracas, Venezuela?  I'd like to travel there for about
7-10 days next January.  It's easiest for me to leave from Denver, but
I could leave from elsewhere (even the east coast) if the price is 
right.  Please email your response if possible.

Thanks in advance.  

Liz Jessup
jessup@cs.colorado.edu
From: tim@theory.lcs.mit.edu (timothy m wright)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Cheapest published fare
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:49:57 GMT
Reply-To: tim@theory.lcs.mit.edu (timothy m wright)
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

In article <1285@netxcom.netx.com>, jwc@netx (Jeff Comer) writes:
>Awhile back we had a thread on the shortest scheduled flights. I don't
>recall who was the winner (SFO-OAK? JFK-LGA?), but it started me to
>wonder about what the *CHEAPEST* published fare ever was.
>
>To make it relevant, I'll post the following criteria: The fare had to
>be a published fare on a regularly-scheduled commercial airliner, made
>available to anyone. No special promos, two-fer-one deals, or anything
>like that. Also, only fares published since deregulation (say, since
>1978) are applicable.
>

In late 1988 and early 1989, America West had a $19 fare between LAX and
Phoenix.   I wound up missing the 3-week purchase window for my flight to
LAX, so I wound up with my choice of $41 unrefundable round trip or a $43
round trip with the outbound portion refundable.

--tim wright
  tim@theory.lcs.mit.edu  (require 'std-disclaimers)
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From: jlong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (John Long)
Subject: West coast -> Honolulu for sale.
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:24:04 GMT

I'll be leaving Hawaii for the mainland "real soon now" and will be
purchasing a round trip ticket. I don't have any idea how long I'll
be staying, so I would like to sell my return ticket for a reasonable
offer.

The city of departure is flexible, i.e. SFO, LAX, SEA. I checked with
United (what a PAIN, trying to find routes and prices to Idaho!) and
it is possible to take a circular route. So in your reply, let me 
know when you want to fly, and from what city. Also, if you have a 
preference for an airline...

-LongJohn

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From: charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: Is it SAFE to buy another person's airline ticket?
Organization: The Original Estrogen-Crazed Lust Bunnies
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:25:23 GMT

In article <184@chorus.chorus.fr> grob@chorus.fr writes:
>
>Anyway, things like that aside you are pretty safe.
>However nothing stops them from asking for ID and you can't
>refuse. And of course if your luggage gets lost, you
>will have to explain why the name on your ticket is not
>yours.

What I want to know is:  what happens if you get bumped?  Aren't
they going to make the denied boarding compensation voucher out
to the name on the ticket?

Charleen

--
Tip #268: Don't feel insecure or inferior! Remember, you're ORGANIC!!
          You could win an argument with almost any rock!
From: u2105545@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: [?] about Frequent Flyers Program..
Date: 30 Aug 92 17:35:27 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales


Hi,
I would like to know more about Frequenty Flyers Programs.
I have only been to Japan once about 2 years ago, but 
My father travles between Japan and Australia and US a lot.
I don't know which air line my father uses, and whether
he joins such program. If he doesn't, I could tell him 
to use such programs.

SO,

* Which air lines offer such programes?[air lines that go between Japan and
		 		         Australia and US]
* What kinds of services they offer?

* Which do YOU think the best?

If there is any other things I should know, please let me know...

thanks,
Shigetoh Kumagai 	shk@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au          (@@)
			u2105545@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au      >
                                                            < MAYA!!
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Subject: Re: Will North West Airlines be around in January?
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Keywords: North West, airline
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:26:34 GMT

>Hi folks,
>seems like I might have to fly North West
>from Los Angeles to Singapore, come December/January.
>I'm afraid that they might go out of business by then.
>What do y'all think?

I think they will be in business because (among many reasons), KLM airlines
owns a portion of them and, as one of the most profitable airlines in
Europe, can absorb the losses (again).

Check out BusinessWeek Magazine (one of the last 3 issues).


David Andersen
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta)
Subject: Re: United Free Ticket Promotion
Reply-To: puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:49:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.202801.3903@dsg.tandem.com>  
narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan) writes:
> The 25 credits for 2 free round-the-world tickets seems to be very promising.
> The tickets that get you credits have to be $100 or more. So you could  
potentially
> do the following:
>   Fly 25 times round-trip from SFO to LAX, for example, where the fare is
> close to $100 (unrestricted fare, although this was not required in order for  
you
> to get the credit), and then get 2 free round-the-world tickets for approx.  
$2500.
> Seems to be quite a deal, if you can stand flying back and forth 25 times  
just
> to accumulate the credits (and mileage ?)

Even better, fly the 25 roundtrips the same day (one at a time, of course) and  
get the California-Plus bonuses: 1,000 miles for each same-day roundtrip plus  
free california flights for each 7 roundtrips. You will get 50,000 miles  
(another two domestic tickets and change). Plus you will become a premier  
member which would entitle you to even more perks.

One drawback to the whole thing: I believe the round-the world tickets must be  
used by the end of Mar/April 1993.

--
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: gl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: Antitrust Rebate Program Options/Issues
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 22:00:11 GMT

   One thing to be aware of is that, if the compant you were working for
paid for the tickets or reimbursed you for paying for the tickets, you are
NOT allowed to receive discount certificates for those tickets.  Since, in
that instance, the company purchased the tickets.

I'm not sure if that rule applies in this case, but I just thought I'd mention
it.

Greg

 


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