From: ogus@crystal.berkeley.edu (Arthur E. Ogus)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Date: 17 Aug 1992 16:31:02 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: crystal.berkeley.edu
Summary: Falls, stalls, and another issue



Jobst made it clear in his post that clip pedals have their own
tendancy to make you fall in a climbing stall; it's just 
different than the situation that makes you fall with clipless pedals.

My own experience bears this out.  I rode clip pedals (with Binda
straps, very little give) for many years.  This spring my cleat broke,
and I found it very hard to find a replacement that would fit my
ancient Giusfreddi shoes, with nail-in cleats, but I finally did.  The
new cleats were comfortable, but slightly deeper than th old ones.
While I was going up a steep hill, my knee hit the shifter, and I
found myself in a higher gear than I could pedal in.  The bike
wouldn't shift back down, and I couldn't get my foot out in time.  I
believe I was pedaling down with my exit foot, and couldn't reach the
strap without leaning down too far, so over I went.  No damage done,
but it happened.

The real reason I switched to clipless pedals was the fact that one of
the nailed-in cleats wasn't at the correct angle, and I started
getting knee problems.  I decided it was time to get new shoes,
and I had heard that with the Look system you can get an RAD done
which gets your cleats aligned perfectly.  I ended up with Shimano
T110 shoes and Dura-Ace Pedals, and the RAD solved my knee problems
almost completely.  (I use black cleats, no rotation.)

As for climbing stalls, I recently had the opposite experience with the
clipless system:  At the bottom of a steep hill, my front derailleur
didn't want to switch me to the small chain ring fast enough, and I
found myself stalled.  I thought I would go down, but managed to snap 
out just in time.  I'm not sure where I was on the pedal stroke.

I haven't had any spills at all in about 1500 miles with the clipless
system.  For me, the real advantage of the system is comfort,
including the RAD system, which no one has mentioned in this thread.
Is this available with TIME and SPD pedals?






Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Summary: Stalls and another issue
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Keywords: clipless pedals

Jobst made it clear in his post that clip pedals have their own
tendancy to make you fall in a climbing stall; it's just 
different than the situation that makes you fall with clipless pedals.

My own experience bears this out.  I rode clip pedals (with Binda
straps, very little give) for many years.  This spring my cleat broke,
and I found it very hard to find a replacement that would fit my
ancient Giusfreddi shoes, with nail-in cleats, but I finally did.  The
new cleats were comfortable, but slightly deeper than th old ones.
While I was going up a steep hill, my knee hit the shifter, and I
found myself in a higher gear than I could pedal in.  The bike
wouldn't shift back down, and I couldn't get my foot out in time.  I
believe I was pedaling down with my exit foot, and couldn't reach the
strap without leaning down too far, so over I went.  No damage done,
but it happened.

The real reason I switched to clipless pedals was the fact that one of
the nailed-in cleats wasn't at the correct angle, and I started
getting knee problems.  I decided it was time to get new shoes,
and I had heard that with the Look system you can get an RAD done
which gets your cleats aligned perfectly.  I ended up with Shimano
T110 shoes and Dura-Ace Pedals, and the RAD solved my knee problems
almost completely.  (I use black cleats, no rotation.)

As for climbing stalls, I recently had the opposite experience with the
clipless system:  At the bottom of a steep hill, my front derailleur
didn't want to switch me to the small chain ring fast enough, and I
found myself stalled.  I thought I would go down, but managed to snap 
out just in time.  I'm not sure where I was on the pedal stroke.

I haven't had any spills at all in about 1500 miles with the clipless
system.  For me, the real advantage of the system is comfort,
including the RAD system, which no one has mentioned in this thread.
Is this available with TIME and SPD pedals?






Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Summary:  Falls, stalls, and another issue
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Keywords: clipless pedals

Jobst made it clear in his post that clip pedals have their own
tendancy to make you fall in a climbing stall; it's just 
different than the situation that makes you fall with clipless pedals.

My own experience bears this out.  I rode clip pedals (with Binda
straps, very little give) for many years.  This spring my cleat broke,
and I found it very hard to find a replacement that would fit my
ancient Giusfreddi shoes, with nail-in cleats, but I finally did.  The
new cleats were comfortable, but slightly deeper than th old ones.
While I was going up a steep hill, my knee hit the shifter, and I
found myself in a higher gear than I could pedal in.  The bike
wouldn't shift back down, and I couldn't get my foot out in time.  I
believe I was pedaling down with my exit foot, and couldn't reach the
strap without leaning down too far, so over I went.  No damage done,
but it happened.

The real reason I switched to clipless pedals was the fact that one of
the nailed-in cleats wasn't at the correct angle, and I started
getting knee problems.  I decided it was time to get new shoes,
and I had heard that with the Look system you can get an RAD done
which gets your cleats aligned perfectly.  I ended up with Shimano
T110 shoes and Dura-Ace Pedals, and the RAD solved my knee problems
almost completely.  (I use black cleats, no rotation.)

As for climbing stalls, I recently had the opposite experience with the
clipless system:  At the bottom of a steep hill, my front derailleur
didn't want to switch me to the small chain ring fast enough, and I
found myself stalled.  I thought I would go down, but managed to snap 
out just in time.  I'm not sure where I was on the pedal stroke.

I haven't had any spills at all in about 1500 miles with the clipless
system.  For me, the real advantage of the system is comfort,
including the RAD system, which no one has mentioned in this thread.
Is this available with TIME and SPD pedals?






Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Summary: Stalls and another issue
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Keywords: clipless pedals

Jobst made it clear in his post that clip pedals have their own
tendancy to make you fall in a climbing stall; it's just 
different than the situation that makes you fall with clipless pedals.

My own experience bears this out.  I rode clip pedals (with Binda
straps, very little give) for many years.  This spring my cleat broke,
and I found it very hard to find a replacement that would fit my
ancient Giusfreddi shoes, with nail-in cleats, but I finally did.  The
new cleats were comfortable, but slightly deeper than th old ones.
While I was going up a steep hill, my knee hit the shifter, and I
found myself in a higher gear than I could pedal in.  The bike
wouldn't shift back down, and I couldn't get my foot out in time.  I
believe I was pedaling down with my exit foot, and couldn't reach the
strap without leaning down too far, so over I went.  No damage done,
but it happened.

The real reason I switched to clipless pedals was the fact that one of
the nailed-in cleats wasn't at the correct angle, and I started
getting knee problems.  I decided it was time to get new shoes,
and I had heard that with the Look system you can get an RAD done
which gets your cleats aligned perfectly.  I ended up with Shimano
T110 shoes and Dura-Ace Pedals, and the RAD solved my knee problems
almost completely.  (I use black cleats, no rotation.)

As for climbing stalls, I recently had the opposite experience with the
clipless system:  At the bottom of a steep hill, my front derailleur
didn't want to switch me to the small chain ring fast enough, and I
found myself stalled.  I thought I would go down, but managed to snap 
out just in time.  I'm not sure where I was on the pedal stroke.

I haven't had any spills at all in about 1500 miles with the clipless
system.  For me, the real advantage of the system is comfort,
including the RAD system, which no one has mentioned in this thread.
Is this available with TIME and SPD pedals?






-- 
Arthur Ogus
Department of Mathematics
University of California
Berkeley, California
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles