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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:26:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Dominic, Maria, Carl - all unforgiven

Alex said it all and I don't have the desire to defend Unforgiven
even more since you guys seem to have your minds made up. I want to
add though that the reason I like it so much is that the movie reverses
the Reagan ethic of mindless heroism. If anything, it forgives the
villains and punishes the heroes. As bleak as the movie may seem, the
movie is really about forgiveness.
                                                              Rolando
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:04:10 EST
From:         Derek S Dealy <dealyder@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Henry: A Portrait

  The other night, I heard mention of the film _Henry:  A Portrait of a Serial
Killer_.  I saw that picture a couple of years ago, and I found it to be pretty
good.  I was wondering if anybody could recommend a movie to me that was along
those lines.  I thought it was a relief to see a horror movie that was actually
well-thought out, and not overly promoted.  Any horror movie worth seeing,
especially one something like "Henry" that you can think of I would appreciate
to hear about.  It doesn't even have to be a horror picture.  Another excellent
movie like this was _The River's Edge_.  I thought this picture was very good.
It starred Keanu Reeves and Dennis Hopper.  It was about a bunch of friends who
get together to help a friend of theirs who has killed a girl.  If anyone has
any comments, drop me a line.
   Thank You

                            Derek
                            (dealyder@student.msu.edu)
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:06:34 EST
From:         Brodie H Brockie <brockieb@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      INDIANA JONES's subtle Star Wars

Filmfanatics-
    In Raiders of the Lost Ark there is a scene in the Map room in which you
can see R2D2 and C3PO carved into the wall, then in Temple of Doom the club
that the film opens in is called CLUB OBE WAN. I've watched Last Crusade over
and over looking for some Star Wars subtlety that I'm sure is there, but I've
noticed nothing. Has anyone out there caught something I missed?
                                       Fortune and Glory,
                                        Brodie
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Date: 26 Jan 93 17:42:28 GMT
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From rec.arts.movies:

Winners are denoted by an asterisk (*).

Best Picture - Drama
********************
The Crying Game
A Few Good Men
Howards End
The Scent of A Woman (*)
Unforgiven

Best Picture - Musical/Comedy
*****************************
Aladdin
Enchanted April
Honeymoon in Vegas
The Player (*)
Sister Act

Best Actress - Drama
********************
Mary McDonnell - Passion Fish
Michelle Pfeiffer - Love Field
Susan Sarandon - Lorenzo's Oil
Sharon Stone - Basic Instinct
Emma Thompson - Howards End (*)

Best Actor - Drama
******************
Tom Cruise - A Few Good Men
Robert Downey Jr. - Chaplin
Jack Nicholson - Hoffa
Al Pacino - The Scent of a Woman (*)
Denzel Washington - Malcolm X

Best Actress - Musical/Comedy
*****************************
Geena Davis - A League of their Own
Whoopie Goldberg - Sister Act
Shirley MacLaine - Used People
Miranda Richardson - Enchanted April (*)
Meryl Streep - Death Becomes Her

Best Actor - Musical/Comedy
***************************
Nicholas Cage - Honeymoon in Vegas
Billy Crystal - Mr. Saturday Night
Marcello Mastrianni - Used People
Tim Robbins - Bob Roberts
Tim Robbins - The Player (*)

Best Picture-Foreign Language
*****************************
Close to Eden (Russia)
Indochine (France) (*)
Like Water For Chocolate (Mexico)
Tous le Matins du Monde (France)

Best Supporting Actress
***********************
Geraldin Chaplin - Chaplin
Judy Davis - Husbands and Wives
Joan Plowright - Enchanted April (*)
Miranda Richardson - Damage
Alfre Woodard - Passion Fish

Best Supporting Actor
*********************
Gene Hackman - Unforgiven (*)
Jack Nicholson - A Few Good Men
Chris O'Donnell - A Scent of A Woman
Al Pacino - Glengary Glen Ross
David Paymer - Mr. Saturday Night

Best Director
*************
Robert Altman - The Player
Clint Eastwood - Unforgiven (*)
James Ivory - Howards End
Robert Redford - A River Runs Through It
Rob Reiner - A Few Good Men

Best Screenplay
***************
Bo Goldman - A Scent of A Woman (*)
Ruth Prawer Jhabvala - Howards End
Aaron Sorkin - A Few Good Men
Michael Tolkin - The Player
David Webbs Peoples - Unforgiven

Original Score
**************
Vangelis - 1492:Conquest of Paradise
Alan Menken - Aladdin (*)
Jerry Goldsmith - Basic Instinct
John Barry - Chaplin
Trevor Jones and Randy Edelman - The Last of the Mohicans

Original Song
*************
"Beautiful Maria of My Soul" - The Mambo Kings
"Friend Like Me" - Aladdin
"Prince Ali" - Aladdin
"This Used to Be My Playground" - A League of Their Own
"A Whole New World" - Aladdin (*)


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From: bf248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry Renault)
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Subject: Re: Real life roles-->movie roles
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:19:43 GMT
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In a previous article, eeidhn@EEIUD.ERICSSON.SE (David Hatton) says:

>Garrison played the role of Earl Warren, (yes that Earl Warren) in JFK.

and then there's Patricia Kenealy playing the part of pagan priestess in
THE DOORS.

j.

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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:58:43 GMT
From:         DOMINIC PLANT <DPLANT@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Re: Unforgiven

On Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:21:45 EST E. Susan Stonehill said:
>
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>Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:57:08 GMT
>Subject:      Re: Unforgiven
>To:           "E. Susan Stonehill" <ZKTKB@CUNYVM.BITNET>
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>              28 Jan 1993 10:52:43 -0500 from <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
>
>  >Comeon, we are used to seeing Clint kill five people while
>
>To quote that old punchline:
>
>      "What do you mean 'WE', White Man?"


          I dont remember Clint ever killing any Indians
          Pokahontis.

                      Dominic.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:17:08 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Old movie recasting

Martin,

Your sentiment about *not* remaking old movies is a logical extension of
mine about not remaking foreign films in at least some useful sense. So
I'd agree.  Especially since the impetus for remake fever is that the first
version was successful, a classic.  So why bother?  Some may have ideas
(or pretensions) for updating the original and making it more relevant to
the present. Some may have nothing more than Ted Turner's colorize-it-for-
today's-market sentiment in mind.

On the other hand, I'm inclined to give more leeway to remaking older,
more obscure films that had good potential but weren't well executed or even
quirkily enough executed to gain a cult of some kind.  (No, I don't think
I can name one at the moment, though.)  Jeff Clark
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:09:50 CST
From:         C572968@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Old movie recasting

Didn't Ashman and Menkin write the music for the "Rocky Horror Picture Show"?
Maybe not.

                                   Joey "Dizzy" Gillespie
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:27:33 -0400
From:         EROBINETTE@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Western prejudice?

>Has a western ever won the Oscar for best picture?  It just seems that the
>genre, along with animation and science fiction, is prejudiced against by the
>Academy Awards every year.  If that's so, "Unforgiven" might not win the best
>picture award.  But then again, there's always the first time.

Actually, it wouldn't be the first time. A Western called "Cimmaron" won back
in the 30s, I believe, and some people call "Dances With Wolves" a Western,
though that classification is open to debate.

Eric R.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:40:54 -0500
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Ken Crane's

NOAH'S ARK was shown about a year ago on TNT; I don't know if it
was a restored version
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:18:44 -0600
From:         Carl H Johnson <carlj@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      re: list for list lovers

Unforgiven did make it, you'll notice!


On Thu, 28 Jan 1993, Bill Felty wrote:

> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:01:25 EST
> From: Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
> To: Multiple recipients of list CINEMA-L <CINEMA-L@AMERICAN.EDU>
> Subject: re: list for list lovers
>
> Hey, the one thing I noticed about that LA Times list is that no film from
> the last 10 years was included.  Why do we have to wait until years after
> a film's release to appreciate it?  Just a thought.....
>
> Bill Felty
> U of KY
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:55:51 -0500
From:         David M Stein <STEIN@LTUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Remake of "La Femme Nikita"

Actually, Bridgette Fonda is a good choice to play the Nikita remkae
role (Not that I think the film has no be remade, it was darn near
perfect the way it is!).

What makes the Nikita character the perfect assasin is that she
doesn't look like a gun moll.

But I doubt that they will do the original justice.

Ah well.

Dave
Stein
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:28:24 -0500
From:         Ens Alexander W Ellermann <ellerman@NORFOLK.NADN.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      Aggression

Dominic,
   Ah, thanks for your notes on vicarious aggression.  They did make
sense, though, I can't attest to having a real blood thirst
of my own when I go to the movies.  I didn't like Total Recall
because the body count was so high.  I also don't
much go for spectating at contact sports, though I do enjoy playing
them.  There's nothing quite like connecting with a solid right cross, though
being on the receiving end isn't all that great.
   Maybe that vicarious expression helps most when you don't have as many
avenues to express the emotion in question.  I'm thinking of last night, when
I got so lost in my Beethoven that tears flowed.  I'm not someone who experi-
ences much raw beauty in my life, so when I do (as is the case with Kurosawa
movies, among others) it affects me quite strongly.
   Anyway, thanks for the explication.
                                                        Satisfied,
                                                                Alex
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
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Subject: Re: 10 ways - ?? Kalmoth's comment
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:36:07 GMT
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In article <CINEMA-L%93012311482862@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>, $W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET (Rolando Recometa) writes:
>Where's everybody these days? Busy, perhaps? Well, let me stir
>things up a little bit. Here, in my humble desperate plea, are ten

OK, U asked 4 it...

>ways to improve Hollywood -
>                            2. Make sure women get more acting jobs
>than dogs.

Why? Do U think that there is some competition between women and dogs?
Pardon me, for what roles?

>                            3. Tell boneheads like Arnold Schwarzen-
>neger to stop doing interviews on topics other than the film he's
>promoting.

Please stop calling Arnold names! U don't know him personally and
havew no right 2 do so.

>                            4. Commit Scorsese, Kubrick, Altman,
>Pollack, Lynch, Cronenberg, Demme, Bertolucci to directing at least
>one movie a year.
>                            5. Tell Oliver Stone and Spike Lee to give
>it a rest.

4 and 5 are dictated by YOUR taste. BTW, my 5 would be MUCH longer, and
your 4 doesn't include Ridley Scott. Still I ain't sure it takes exactly
one year to make a good movie. Probably more. 

>                            7. If there has to be violence in movies,
>make it real and disturbing rather than fun.

?? Well, some of the violence I took part in WAS fun. Some was not.
I think it unwise to impose ANY restriction on artists.

>                            8. Tell Steven Spielberg to grow up.

For this some people here gonna KILL you... $@)

>                            9. Make more black AND white films and
>fewer black OR white films.
>                            10. Make more black and white films.

What do U mean?


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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:08:53 CST
From:         John Asbell <1LIJEA@UTSAVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Old movie recasting

I liked Cape Fear.  It was better than the original movie.
The casting was very good, also.
Does anybody believe there will be a CAPE FEAR II?
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:32:49 EST
From:         Scott Huddle <grass@CHAOS.ENTO.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Western prejudice?

Eugene Yee writes:
>> Has a western ever won the Oscar for best picture?

Does a little picture by the name of _Dances with Wolves_ strike
a bell?  I believe that _Cimarron_ is the only other western to
win.

-scott
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:27:05 -0600
From:         CDOMS@UMKCVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Old movie recasting

Can any one list those remakes that they did like?

I did like Beatty's "Heaven can Wait"  as a remake.

Any others?

Carol Doms
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 15:02:00 CST
From:         Rolando Recometa <$W$LB4P@LUCCPUA.BITNET>
Subject:      In the pipeline

THE HAND THAT ROCKS THE CRADLE II - This time, the Bartels check the
references. The nanny has to be young, voluptuous, and willing to
breastfeed everyone in the family.
THELMA AND LOUISE RETURN - T & L survive their suicidal attempt but
suffer further brain damage. They vow to practice safe sex by killing
every man in sight.
THE CATWOMAN AND THE RIDDLER - In order not to mislead the public again,
the producers have decided to take BATMAN off the title. Michelle
Pfeiffer returns as Catwoman because they couldn't get her out of her
tight leather costume. Robin Williams, who else, stars as the riddler.
To reduce costs, Batman will only appear in flashbacks, using old
footage from the first two films.
                                                     Bored Rolando
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:29:28 +0100
From:         Ben Geerlings <Ben.Geerlings@SURFNET.NL>
Subject:      Dutch top 10 1992

This morning I found the following list of the best movies 1992 according
to the readers of one of the biggest Dutch newspapers.

 1. Raise the red lantern
 2. Basic Instinct (remember Paul Verhoeven is Dutch)
 3. Il ladro di bambini
 4. The Player
 5. Urga
 6. Night on Earth
 7. Europa
 8. De Noordelingen (a Dutch movie)
 9. JFK
10. Bitter Moon

How about that?

Ben
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:19:56 -0400
From:         EROBINETTE@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Oscar Nominations

>OK, let me play devil's advocate.....Emma Thompson (who I LOVED in _Howards
>End_, BTW) has won EVERY critics' award plus the Golden Globe for Best
>Actress.  Do you think the Academy, who seems to really like Susan Sarandon
>and who also seems to feel she's been passed over before, might actually
>break the "Emma avalanche" by honoring Sarandon for _Lorenzo's Oil_ and
>leaving Thompson to win another day?  It seems to me the Academy is always
>having to play catch up.

That is vaguely possible, but I still think THompson has the best chance
because Howards End is more widely seen than Lorenzo's oil.

Eric R.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:32:37 -0500
From:         Cinzia Knight <SSTSCEK@VCUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      il ladro di bambini

I noticed on the posting about the top 10 movies in Holland that a title
was 'il ladro di bambini'... Since I am curious about any output from
my homeland I would like to ask if anyone knows anything about it

i.e. director, cast, plot, critiques etc.

Grazie

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Subject:      Looking for mail

Did I fall off the list, or
is good ol' Mizzou's computer
works fouled up?  No mail from
those nutty, wacky, kooky,
Cinema-L folks.

Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
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Subject:      without a child in tow

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     20-Jan-1993 04:17pm EST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
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TO:  Remote Network Mail User             ( _IN%CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET )


Subject: without a child in tow

Adrian is reluctant to go see an animated movie without a child in tow.  I'm
not!  The trick:  walk in late, and hide behind a huge box of popcorn!  Failing
that, swipe somebody else's kid from the theatre lobby!  I saw Beauty and the
Beast in the theatre, by myself, and was really glad I saw it on the big
screen.  The plot, of course, was the same old "love of beauty transforms
beast" story, but the way that tale was accomplished was a delight to behold.
I was blown away by the big-screen pageantry of the animation.  The woman who
plays Jessica Fletcher on Murder She Wrote did the voice of the teapot, and she
was wonderful!  So were all of the other animated "objects" in the beast's
household.

I've seen many kiddie flicks--some as a child, and probably almost as many as
an adult.  Within the past year or so I went to see Milo and Otis (not
animated, but a beautifully done "children's story" about the adventures of a
kitten and a puppy, filmed in a wildlife preserve in Japan), and 101
Dalmatians.  I dragged Ellen along to both of these, and I think we both
laughed more than any of the kids in the audience.  It's so true that there's a
lot of "kiddie" humor that you appreciate with much more insight as an adult.

just my two cents,
Anita
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:23:12 CST
From:         C444307@MIZZOU1.BITNET
Subject:      Michael Pare

Jim,

Are you like me, starving for a new action lead
that can also be in intelligent movies?  I enjoy
Steven Segal, though admittedly it is a guilty
pleasure.  But when will we get the next original
_Dirty Harry_?

Also waiting for the next great/intelligent horror film,

Joe Daus
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:13:01 MEZ
From:         Johannes Heyer <C0031018@DBSTU1.RZ.TU-BS.DE>
Subject:      THX1138? Film, Trailer or what?

Hi,

has anyone heard of something called 'THX1138' ? Is it just a THX-Trailer
or Demo or is it a real film ? A friend of mine asked me that. He is
interested in it cause he wants to test his new Surround-Sound-Super-Hyper-
Maximum-Fancy-Expensive-System ... :-)

Thanx in advance
                 Johannes

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