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From: kxd5425@usl.edu (Du Kaisheng)
Subject: Re: >> CSS in USA maybe become SCRAP HEAP in the future China
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:13:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.005150.945@news.iastate.edu> txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>
>In <BvtFDo.F1z@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>
>                ......
>
>>Where are the "CSS" in Japan NOW when Japanese Emperor visits China without 
>>saying a word of sorry about what Japan did to China in World War II?
>>While CSS in the U.S., Canada, Australia sent portest letter to Japanese Gov't.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>               ......
>
>>Bo Xiong in Chicago
>
>No comment on other stuffs, but the above argument looks like Qiang2 Ci2
>Duo2 Li3. Where were the CSS in US NOW when Bush announced to sell 150 F-16
>to Taiwan? Do they(or we) say a word about it? They(or we) made a lot of
>noise in the US against China(or CG if you insist). Have they(or we) said
>anything against the interest of US? Sending a protest letter to Japanese
>government is nothing because they(or we) do not live in Japan.
>
>Please do not be too harsh to others. I believe surviving in Japan is much
>harder than in the US, an immigrant country. Doing sth against Japan in
>Japan requires more guts than doing sth against US in the US.

Absolutely right.  
Some people always try to make what they did look great.  But actually 
not.  What they boasted most is that they "lobby" (instead of "beg")
very hard (and to some extend sucessfully) in this country to punish
China or Chinese goverment. Did they ever protest when America is not
fair to China? When Americans threaten to impose higher tax on Chinese
good they never say anything or they just believe that this is a very
good decision because it can make China moke like a democratic country.
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: New topic: What do you eat and how do you prepare your food?
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:51:22 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <1992Oct9.025441.4895@cbfsb.cb.att.com> wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) writes:
->In article <liqiang.718248207@kramden> liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li) writes:
->>eat? How do u prepare your food? How long does it usu take u to prepare
->>your dinner?
->>
->>I'd like to welcome comments from everybody: Chinese, non-Chinese. My under-
->>standing is that most people do some cooking. 
->
->I'm just an ordinary generic white American, and I never cook.  Don't even
->have any food in my apartment.  I always eat at: Company cafeteria, McDonalds,
->Other resturants if with friends, or eat at my parent's house when I'm 
->visiting there.  I moved a few months ago to this apartment; I haven't even
->figured out where the supermarkets around here are.  
->Please note that most American males are not taught how to cook (in school,
->or at home).  

I never cook either, and thank god I don't have to eat hamburgers. :-)
99% of the food I eat is still Chinese food, which refutes that statement
made by someone that "if you want to eat the food you like you have to
cook it yourselves."  I either eat at Chinese restaurants (they are
everywhere in Bay Area) or get some take-out from them.

->I know that one could save some money by cooking, and not eating out, but
->I don't want to go to that much trouble and also don't want to deal
->with the yucky mess to clean up afterwards.  

Besides, in some places you might not even save much by cooking (e.g.
Chinatown).   The prices of food in Chinese restaurants are usually
very low because of intense competitions among Chinese restaurants.

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:28055 soc.culture.taiwan:14464 soc.culture.hongkong:12653
From: bl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bo-Yi Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:46:44 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu


	well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just wanted to give my two cents to the topic, and give credit where credit
is due.  Why is everybody so hostile?  Thanx to those to e-mailed me instead;
you guys have a much nicer tone of voice.
	I don't think anyone here can deny that before the Japanese came
Taiwan has little, if any, industrial capacity.  Even though the things got
wrecked when they left there's still a considerable amount left.  If you
think the kaohsiong blvd thing is bullshit that's fine.  I just heard it
from someone and wanna share it with you guys.  If you think anybody who
said anything good about the Japanese are ass kissers or traitors then you
have a serious flaw in your reasoning process.
	Now, I don't care if you're defending Chiang.  I've never been a big
fan of the Japanese military clique but I'm certainly no fan of the older
Chiang.  I find it hard to decide which is worse.  But I guess some people
prefer to be dicked by their own kind then by others.

-- 
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"He's dead, Jim."
"But that's impossible!"

Bo-Yi Lin (bl@ocf.berkeley.edu)
Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
University of California at Berkeley
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From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: If you want to eat food you like, you must cook for yourself.
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:42:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Oct7.174202.12850
Distribution: usa
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University

In article <1av6v5INNnfv@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu>, yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:
|> In the past few days, several people have talked about how to cook food 
|> quickly and also delicious to eat. Here are some easy and good dishes I 
|> can contribute:
|> 
|> 1. Diane Salads
|>    - Prepare half fresh head lettuce and cut it into thin strips
|>    - Place a frying pan on stove with medium heat. When it's hot
|>      put half an once sesami seeds into the pan and bake them until
|>      golden in color. Turn off the stove and put the baked seeds in
|>      a bowl.
|>    - Place the lettuce you just cut into a plate and put some Italian
|>      salad dressing in. Then pour some syrup in. 
|>    - Put the baked sesami seeds in and toss the salads until
|>      the dressing, syrup, and sesami seeds are mixed well.
|> 2. Si4 Chuan1 Tofu (Ma2 Po2 Do4 Fu4)
|>    - Buy some fresh tofu (soft/firm depends on your taste).
|>    - Cut tofu into dices
|>    - Buy some ground pork. If no ground pork available, get some
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>      boneless pork and ask the clerk to ground it for you.
|>    - Buy chili (red pepper, make sure it's hot - La4).  Cut the
|>      chili into thin slices.
|>    - Prepare the sauce to put in in the following way:
|>        Chop some green onions/scallion into very small pieces
|>        Smash some fresh garlic(one clove)
|>        Chop some ginger (two or three slices) into small pieces
|>        Bake some Hua1 Jiao1 (optional) and ground it into powder.
|>        Desolve some corn starch into a bowl with water and put all 
|>        the above ingredients in  the bowl
|>        Put some granulated sugar in as well as some salt 

So far so good.

|>    To cook the dish:
|>     - Place a frying pan or wok on the stove with high heat.
|>       Pour some corn oil in (a little). Wait until not.
					   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ why?

|>     - Place the chili slices in and turn it over.
|>     - Immediately put the tofu dices in. Quickly stir them.
|>       Add some water (not too much).
|>     - Cover the pan/wok. Wait until sizzling (about 1 minute).
|>     - Pour the bowl of ingredients and starch water in. Quickly
|>       stir until the starch is cooked. If the dish is too
|>       sticky, add more water.    

Where/when do I put the ground pork?

H.J.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:06:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.171507.29459@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>>>Remains of Yue4 Fei1 and Qin2 Hui4.
>
>>What have this to do with Yue Fei and Qin Hui? I guess modern China
>>needs neither of them.
>
>Unfortunately you always have these kind of people.
>

    At least China needs Yue4 Fei1. I could say every country
needs Yue4 Fei1-like people and the thoughts, i.e. patriots
and patriotism. Which country is exclusive, USA or Japan or
any Europe nation? No. My belief is if you don't want or are
unable to contribute something good for your country, that is
OK, not blameable(your rights), but just don't try to ruin 
the country(since you are probably against other's rights).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Qin Kuai (Re: Oct 1, our National Day)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:18:09 GMT

In article <1b2c1fINNs5@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu> jamesou@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou) writes:
>
>In <BvrM14.Bs5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
>writes:
>
.....
>
>(Since Song dynasty, people rarely name themselves "Kuai4",
> and I come to the grave of Yue4Fei1 and feel ashamed that my
> surname is "Qin2".)
>
Talking about surname, there have been more bad guys named Pan.

Tingli Pan
From: bx388@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bowman H. Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Shannon Yeh in a nut shell
Date: 16 Oct 1992 04:16:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


A Tsinghua graduates who came to the US with an ambition to screw
back some professors who had pointed out that he didn't make
any points in a technical book he wrote and sort of proud of it.
Later he said that he hate Chinese only can Wo1 Li3 Dou4 and by
setting an example he said he woulnd't screw those professors
because he was too busy to do so. He believes that it was the 
students shot to the soldiers first in the 6.4 event and hence
the so called "6.4 blood" is totaly a big lie which he and a
handful of peolpe will never believe. He also thought the total
higher education system was provided by Chinese Government to
the students there(include himself) freely by the money of the
Chinese Communist Party and everybody should pay back by not
become another country's permanent resident. (He is doing it
this way right now). By initiating a Four letter war on an issue
related to this, he lost his UC Irvine net account and swore never
come back to scc in his apology to the world. However he
still has net access through his mysteriously setuped firm "netix"
and he returned to the scc very soon. His favorite accusition of
other netterw is that they are "Xiao3 Bi1 Mei2 Jian4 Guo4 Da4 Diao4"
indicating he is the one that has met the real big one. assumingly,
not fearing the competence of his fellow countrymen but for the
esteem of China and benificial of the Chinese people, he strongly
opposed the Chinese Protection Bill. Inspired by the popular
TV show "90210", he named his campaign of against the bill--9201
action. He was the chairman of 9201 commitee and gradually changed
to "Just an early member". So fat, he was the only highly visble
person of this action. recently he posted to the *.job.* group to
inform employers that their are a lot of quasi-Permanent-Residents
out there for them to hire. Judging by this, some people saying
he is insane now, others remind us that he does show his human
side by seldomly searching for his female classmates on the net.
Rumors has it that he had written a bill that suggesting all the
Chinese with IQ>140 can stay here but later destroyed it because
somebody callecx him a "moron". he is teaching what the word
"Pathetic" really means these days without knowing what he is
raelly diong himself.
From: pwu@vernazza.ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: We should care each other more and sue less (Re: Sue Shannon)
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:01:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
In-reply-to: N1.JYZ@isumvs.iastate.edu's message of 14 Oct 92 21:30:37 GMT

The subject line paraphrases one of the president candidates.  Or was I
mistaken?  Anyway, this has nothing to do with the presidential campaign.  

I just come back from the court, witnessing a civil hearing about fights
between roommates, both chinese.  As I looked at it, one person employed many
of the tactics common in neighbor fights in China, such as
slam-the-door-in-your-face, insult-as-you-pass-by, report-you-if-not-do-such,
destroy-the-pie-if-I-cannot-have-it, keep-acting-up-until-satisfied,
make-your-life-miserable, etc, etc.  

Make no mistake that those tactics are largely frowned upon in China.  But it
is difficult to stop someone from employing them in China.  Here the court
hears about such things and is not shy in giving decisions.  This might
explain in part why we see less neighbor fights in US than in China.  

We chinese collectively have some habits less civilized than some other groups
of people (I am not interested if anyone wants to argue about this).  Bringing
the manifestations of bad habits to court is necessary sometime but will not
clean up the environment effectively since that will leave bitter opponents
behind.  Forcing on someone is not a good idea and we often have better
approaches.  Rational and exemplary action may be more effective sometimes.
If you want it certain way, behave the way as preached.  "You can always move
away" is one of the remarks of the judge.  "He has as many rights as you have"
is another.

By the way, I take no stand on this suing proposal.  

And, I select the articles I read.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: Lei Feng, mirror and mirror breakers(was: Re: Learn from Lei Feng)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:59:05 GMT

In article <BvrDIn.Mts@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
> Tang2 Tai4 Zong1 said "Yi3 Ren2 Wei2 Jian4". (Listen and watch honest 
> people as my mirrors.)
> Indeed, Lei Feng is a mirror.
> 
> Lei Feng was attacked by some persons with a word "fool".
> Lei Feng is attacked here by some netters with all creative imaginations.
> Did they or do they make themselves better-looking, or better self-feeling?
> I doubt.
> 
> When someone trys to break a mirror, he must have something bothering him.
> Feeling something bothering is really a good sign.
> Knowing shame is much better than shameless.
> However, rather than breaking the mirror, cleaning yourself up is what 
> a non-shameless person should do.
> A Chinese children song "I Found a One-Cent Coin on the Streetside" is 
> recommended as a introduction of basic honest.
> Try to find some ABC about Lei Feng.
> 
> 

I would rather believe in God instead of Lei Feng. This is because I know Lei  
Feng is a faked image by CCP, while nobody know if there is really a GOD and  
even CCP can not prove there is not.

He is not a mirror. If someone really want to regard Lei Feng as a mirror, then  
he is a Ha1 Ha1 Jing4 where people get distort images and make fun.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai)
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Reply-To: xc17@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:30:25 GMT

In article <1asug0INNm0l@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu> yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:
>Recently I spent some time reading some of the stuff in this news group. I'm
>very disappointed to find that many of our highly educated compatriats cannot
>spell and write English well. Of course, once in a while a spelling error is
>nothing to be alarmed about. But obvious grammatical errors are irritable
                                                                 ?????????

Look like you are writing something for yourself, :-)  I doubt if
anyone else cares about your "grammatical erros". Take it easy, pal!

>when one reads those paragraphs. I surely expect a lot of people will say
>that grammar is not important as long as the idea is made clear. However,
>I believe that good writing skills are necessary in an environment where
>English is the language of communication. 
>
>By the way, there is a great deal of junk in the network.
From: mj05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MO JIANCHENG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:14:19 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>D-fighters will win on the point of 6/4 killing.
>>D-fighters will win on the point of democracy,
>>D-fighters will win on the point of free market,
>>D-fighters will win on the point of diplomacy.

Who are the D-fighters? The Garbage? I do have a question why someone
is always shouting "6.4". I took pat in the whole thing in that time,
but by now, I don't have anythng to say. I understand  our
government, it made some mistakes, but it did the right thing in 6.4.
Blood came out of our bodies, only we have the right to say! Think
about it, the killing was done by two groups, the first is the D-fighters.
Personally, I hate the D-frighters, they sold us, all the pure students,
to get some .....? Anyone fires at me? If you were in hundreds of
thousand miles away in that time, please shut up!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng)
Subject: Re: >> CSS in USA maybe become SCRAP HEAP in the future China
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 07:25:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.041520.1008@news.Hawaii.Edu> wendong@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Wen-Dong Tang) writes:
>
>In article <CHEN.92Oct8195050@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp> chen@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp (Chen Jie) writes:
>>.......
>......
>>------They claimed loudly for the democracy and human rights of Chinese people,
>>but in fact what they are begging Uncle Sam to do brings harm to
>>those kind people inside China (see Bill lobbying for CMFC).
>
>There ARE different opinions towards MFN of China among the CSS in US. I personally suport the conditional extension bill. The reason is simple: give some pressure on CCP for human rights in China. It has its disadvantage, but, I just wonder, anybody disagree with the decisions about cutting off relationship with China Bush made right after 6.4?  Anyone oppose the international sanction against Iraq?
>

Some CSSers in US thought people in China live too comfortable and have
no much attention to fight, thus they wanted to put conditions on the
China MFN trade statue.  If China lost the trade statue, people would be
forced to fight with the government and those CSSers would have a good
chance to see the show and drop their tears for showing them how kindly
they are.

J Su

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27839 soc.culture.taiwan:14376 soc.culture.hongkong:12532
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:59:43 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Oct13.182906.20595@midway.uchicago.edu>, shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi) writes:
> 
> If you want to preserve the meaning completely, why not write:
> 
>        s             s               s
>    s  s s  s     s    s   s     s    sssss
>   s s s s s s     s    s   s     s    s
>   s  s   s  s    s    s   s        sssssss
>   sssssssssss   s    s   s                s
>                  s    s   s          s
>                                 s    sssss         
>                                  s    s
>                                   sssssss           
>                                           s
>                          

	** This is an excellent idea.

	   To computer, there should me minimum difference between
	   "Ja3 Goo3 Wen2" input and Chinese imput of other forms.

	   If this is materialized, it would be a real Culture Revolution.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:56:08 EDT
From: <YXL8@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject:     looking for Jingui Li

I cannot reach Jingui Li at (301)372-0088 to return his call. Anyone who knows
him please tell him that Naiyi Hu (814)862-8378 is looking for him.

Thanks in advance.
From: phsjjc@unix.cc.emory.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Forward: what's next? (after S1216)
Date: 9 Oct 1992 14:54:21 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Dear Netters:
        Congratulations to IFCSS HQ/CSSA for a job well done!
        Although I do not need the benefits made (potentially) available by
this immigration law, many people certainly will, and I feel happy for
them.
        One further step of course is the actual implementation of the law.
 Towards that end, we need to continue promotion of human rights in China,
specifically the end of political persecution of democracy activists both
in China and in other countries.
        Another very important step is to avoid acute alienation and
division among Chinese students & scholars (CSS) along the eligibility
line.  Those who came after the 4/11/90 cutoff date may feel left out, and
develop animosity towards those who were luckier.  Some(!) of them actually
took part in the demonstrations while in China; if anyone needs protection,
it's them.  What are we going to do for them?
        I would welcome discussion from the beneficiaries of S1216, and
from those who WERE left out.

James J. Cen
Emory University 
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From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 10, Our National Day
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:08:15 GMT

jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:


>In article <9228516.17301@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>|> I wonder if Singaporeans do the same thing - i.e. celebrate
>|> 10 Oct.

>Why do Singaporeans do the same? Many of them don't think themselves as Chinese.

Singaporeans think of themselves as Singaporean Chinese (for the Chinese).
ie. why they celebrate Chinese New Year, Moon Cake festival etc. But your 
reasoning above is flawed. They don't celebrate 10-10 because Singapore
is an independent nation  and 10-10 is a national festival. Besides, 
Singapore is made up of other races as well. You don't expect a country
to celebrate another country,s national day , do you ??
From: zhuang@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Writing Chinese Character on a SPARC Station
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:59:00 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Oct16.134625.29110@rpslmc.edu>, jwang@rad.rpslmc.edu (jinzhao wang) writes:
> I heard a lot about writing Chinese character on a PC, but is there any software available for writing Chinese character on a SUN SPARC station ?
> 
  Have you try cxterm? I believe it is a piece of public domain software. 
You should be able to get it through anonymous ftp.
For more information, do the following:
ftp ahkcus.org
input anonymous when asked for user name
change directory to /src/unix

Good luck!
 
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