From: viznyuk@physics.ucla.edu (Sergei Viznyuk)
Subject: Re: "democratic" Estonia
Organization: UCLA Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:48:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.085321.5367@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>
>>
>>  So now, at long last, Jarmo understood that Estonia & Latvia
>>have taken a honorable place not among the more or less
>>civilized european nations but rather among such thriving "democracies"
>>as Uzbekistan and Azerbajdzhan. That was also my point, Jarmo.
>>And I'm glad you finally managed to understand me.
>>  But my concern goes even farther, dear Jarmo. I would
>>dare to claim that Estonia is even worse than Uzbekistan
>>and Azerbajdzhan. Uzbekistan and Azerbajdzhan, contrary
>>to "ultra-democratic" Estonia didn't deprive their minorities
>>(even Armenian !) the electorial rights and didn't accept
>>outright fascistic citizenship laws.
>>  Again accept my congratulations, Jarmo. You made not a bad
>>progress during last week or two.
>
>
>My concern is more about the douple standards  many, not all,
>russians/polilicians have about the human rights, language laws,
>citizenship laws etc. concerning Cenral Asia or the Baltics.
>Thanks for the politeness Serega.

  We have different understanding about "double standards",
dear Jarmo. Western politicans were tearing apart their throats
when shouting about human rights violations in East European
communist countries, while now when much worse human rights
violations are going on in "independent" and supposely
"democratic" Baltic countries, they shut up their mouths.
Meanwhile in Estonia the situation with civil rights could
be compared only with Germany'33-45. I can list several
"actions" of Estonian regime, unprecendental in its nature:
1. Estonian parlament by majority of votes deprived
Russian-speaking deputies their mandates exclusively because
of their non-Estonian ethnicity. And it was done by Estonian
deputies who were elected on the very same elections with those
non-Estonian deputies. THIS IS FASCISM.
2. Estonian parlament introduced the so-called "citizenship law"
which aim is the depriving the non-Estonian people their
civil rights, under the false pretex of "language requirement".
Now come and say, dear Jarmo, that citizenship law has nothing
to do with ethnicity, but only with "language" (or length of
nose, or color of hair, or form of sculp, etc, etc.). Since Estonian
goverment has met some difficulty with distinguishing Estonians
from Russians by their appearance, they invented "language
requirement". After all even native Balts who ocasionally
appear on this list don't hide that the real intentions
of "democratic" Baltic regimes are to expell all non-Balts.
3. Estonian goverment has deprived de-facto non-Estonians
the electorial rights. THIS IS FASCISM.
4. Estonian goverment has sent additional police troops
to Narva region to suppress Russians there and prevent the
population of Narva region to hold the referendum on independence.
Even Soviet regime didn't prevent Balts from holding their
referendum on independence. THIS IS FASCISM.
5. Estonian regime is posing the territorial claims to
Russia's Pskov region and even was engaged in direct 
agression in May-June. THIS IS FASCISM.

  Even "not-so-democratic" Uzbekistan and Azerbajdzhan
didn't do such things.
  Estonia IS a FASCIST STATE. And please, please, don't
bother youself by posting articles from  Estonian "constitution".
It is well-known fact that Stalin's constitution in xUSSR was
also quite democratic from the first glance.
  Serega & Co
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