HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: I'm Still Waiting
Date: 30 Dec 92 00:40:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Dec27.165820.10451@panix.com> lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) writes:

# >Racial riots tend to occur in bunches about once a generation
# >(~25 yrs--those who have been on the net long enuff recall I
# >said three years ago that the next set were due 1992-1993) and
# >in the case of US Blacks this goes back to around the time of
# >the civil war (as I recall) and, if you count slave revolts and
# >the like, even much further back than that.
#
# Yeah, but only in the 60s (correct me if I'm wrong) was there a
# systematic political movement to change U.S. racial policy in
# conjunction with widespread civil unrest.

Could it be that this was the first generation to know of Gandhi's
tactics?

David
From: kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson)
Subject: Re: US troops going to Somalia
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 17:17:25 GMT

In article <1g3gtsINNbsh@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>I do not like the idea of our brothers shooting at Original
>Brothers.  Plain and simple, even if they are saving their own
>lives.  It looks bad.  

  Brothers shootin' at "Original Brothers"?

  Any Black US Army Infantry soldier would laugh your face off,  and melt
 the Aboriginal if mandated by the mission.

  In an Infantry Unit, there is one color.  Green!  Maybe something you
 could learn from. 
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: The Police & Malice Greene
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 14:50:29 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <92358.1738153ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> by Robert Newby <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>:

> The police in the Malice Greene case in Detroit have been bound over for
> trial.  Starsky and Hutch (Nevers and Budzyn) were charged with second
> degree murder.  Lessnau was charged with some form of brutality.  The
> black sargent, Douglas, was not charged with the murder but with a misdemeanor
> of not commanding the officers to stop the beating.
> 
> All of these officers, including Douglas, were fired from the dept. yesterday.

The charges against Douglas were dissmissed yesterday.  The prosecution says
that it intends to appeal.
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From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Institutional racism
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:01:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Dec19.041033.18653@samba.oit.unc.edu> Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:

# Then please name these mythical companies. I know of many companies
# that engage in racial discrimination but all this discrimination is
# exclusively directed against Caucasians.

You are acting as if only discrimination encoded in the hiring rules
of the company counts.  Affirmative action exists to counteract the
discrimination that is hidden behind the subjective judgment that
hirers and admitters normally have to exercise.

David
From: ww@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:48 PST
Subject: Germany:500,000 March vs Racism
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Subject: Germany:500,000 March vs Racism
From: nyxfer!ww (Workers World Service)


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500,000 Germans protest anti-foreign violence

By John Catalinotto

Continuing to express outrage at the neo-Nazi murders in Germany,
some half-million people demonstrated Dec. 20 in a dozen German 
cities. The people took to the streets only hours after racist 
arsonists threw firebombs at a refugee center in Greifswald near 
the Baltic Coast in eastern Germany.

Greifswald police reported that about 25 refugees from Romania 
and several African countries were in the shelter when two 
firebombs were thrown onto a balcony. No one was injured in the 
fire.

On Dec. 20 more than 120,000 people took part in candlelit 
marches in both Karlsruhe and Stuttgart, and 100,000 marched in 
both Hanover and Bremen. Another 55,000 marched in Saarbruecken.

These marches follow earlier demonstration of 300,000 in Berlin 
in early November and a similar number in Munich earlier in 
December. Smaller but still massive marches, rallies and concerts
were held in other German cities.

The ruling parties in Bonn have fueled the rightist attacks by 
calling for restriction of immigration instead of condemning the 
neo-Nazis. But millions of immigrants and Germans have joined 
together to condemn the racists. Smaller groups have formed to 
defend refugee shelters from attacks and even to take the battle 
directly to the neo-Nazis in their headquarters and hangouts.

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Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 17:38:15 EST
From: Robert Newby <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject:    The Police & Malice Greene

The police in the Malice Greene case in Detroit have been bound over for
trial.  Starsky and Hutch (Nevers and Budzyn) were charged with second
degree murder.  Lessnau was charged with some form of brutality.  The
black sargent, Douglas, was not charged with the murder but with a misdemeanor
of not commanding the officers to stop the beating.

All of these officers, including Douglas, were fired from the dept. yesterday.

Demonstrations art the cite of the beating death are a daily occurence.
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: MIM Review: "South Central"
Date: 28 Dec 1992 21:27:52 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <o3mBwB4w165w@nyxfer.uucp> mim@nyxfer.UUCP writes:
>>The timing of the anti-gang message of South Central is obvious.
>>Why does Hollywood speak out against gangs just after the Los
>>Angeles uprising has fueled an unprecedented gang truce in that
>>city? 

If you had seen the pre-info on "South Central" LAST CHRISTMAS in the
L.a. Times list of upcoming films and release dates, you would have 
seen that the movie was planned and cast long before the Los
Angeles uprising-riot-revolution-unpleasantness-call-it-what-you-will.

Any idiot knows that a feature length film takes an incredible amount
of time to plan, write, cast, shoot, edit, and market. It don't
happen overnight.

Hollywood was "speaking out against gangs" long before this year.
To wit: Boulevard Nights, Colors, Youngblood, Straight Outa' Brooklyn,
etc.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Minorities in Science
Date: 1 Jan 93 17:25:49 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

#    This means that, on average, if you take a white kid and a black
# kid whose parents make the same amount of money and who finished
# with the same high school rank the white kid is MORE likely to get
# an undergraduate degree in science than a black kid at the same
# university, regardless of what grades these kids made in high
# school. Sorry to restate the text but I thought they did a pretty
# poor job of saying there is still racial discrimination against
# minority students in science at undergraduate institutions. Sure we
# knew this anyway but the data exists to back it up. Anybody that
# argues this point with you, you can refer to this page in the
# journal Science and tell them to shut up.

I'm sorry, but I don't see how you got from point A to point B here.

There have got to be more factors involved in college success than
just high school class rank and parents' income.  Obvious candidates
are the quality of the high school, parents' level of education, and
size of family.  Another factor could be the nature of the community
the students come from -- people from more tight-knit neighborhoods
might be less capable of dealing with the impersonal atmosphere of big
universities.

So why do you assume that the failure rate is proof of discrimination?

# So what do you think? What are the next appropriate steps? Can some
# out there offer their own personal stories on how they came to get
# degree(s) in science? I am really interested in the role of
# mentors, when were they most important if at all; when did you
# choose science as a degree option and if you did as a career
# choice?

Anything that helps students succeed in the careers they have chosen
is worth the effort.

David
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Attitudes
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 21:54:19 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

The first step in doing *anything,* really, is believing that you can.

How do we go about instilling this attitude in black youth, and in young 
black adults who might yet have productive years ahead of them?

We know how our kids are discouraged from developing such an outlook; how 
do we counteract the affects of that?
G.

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From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "Minorities" <-- does this term bother you?
Date: 1 Jan 93 16:59:33 MDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1993Jan1.002349.17043@sr.com>, gaff@sr.com (Jon Gaff) writes:
> You see the word "minorities" sprinkled throughout many of the posts here
> on s.c.a.a. and I just thought people should at least make an attempt to
> understand how racist this term is.  The root word is "minor" as in not as
> good, lower than, not as important.  Yet another example of how language is
> the tool we consciously and too often unconsciously use to degrade others.
> 
> Jon Gaff / SilentRadio head tech support bozo.
>

   Minority [From the original Latin _minor_, meaning smaller] 1. The
    smaller in number of two groups making a whole.  -Webster's II New
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    Riverside University
                                                      Dictionary, 1984

   The term refers to groups that have fewer members not to groups
that have lesser status. Also it seems that this word better relates
to unity considering that the definition refers to the two groups
composing a whole.


Peace, but not without justice,

Zip
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson)
Subject: Re: Face it... We depend on white people...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:17:37 GMT

HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:

>In article <BzJouI.ME9@unix.amherst.edu>,
>ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL) writes:
>>
>>Havong said that, I am troubled by some historical inacurracies of a previous
>>poster who claimed that both Cleopatra and the Moors were black.
>.
>.
>Oh, barrother.  Here we go again, people...

>>Cleopatra wasn't even that much Egyptian let alone black.  Ptolmy, the founder
>>of the dynasty to which Cleopatra belonged, was a Greek general who served
>>under Alexander the Great.
>.
>.
>And he misspelled Ptolemy.  Listen, those folks did a lot of
>racemixing, whether they married sisters and brothers politically or
>in reality.  A great-grandfather of Cleopatra's, I have read, was
>black.

>>The Moors, who conquered Spain, were a mix of Bebers and Arabs.  They were
>>not of a singular race and varied in color much the same way that ancient
>>Egypt did.
>.
>.
>Perhaps.  But they certainly utilized some Hamitic brothers and
>sisters from the south as viziers, generals, concubines and what
>n        ot...

We can talk about what we HAVE dont for centuries.  What are we doing
now my friend?  And Im getting flamed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

In soc.culture.african.american, nytransfer@igc.apc.org (Blythe Systems) writes:
> Subject: Behind Pentagon's Move Into Somalia
> 
> Via The NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit
> 
> BEHIND THE PENTAGON'S MOVE INTO AFRICA
> 
> By Brian Becker
> 
> What's the real reason the Bush administration suddenly decided,
> just before leaving office, to reverse its do-nothing policy on
> Somalia? Why opt for a massive occupation of this country in the
> Horn of Africa now?
> 
	[stuff deleted]

> The Real Deal
> 
> Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair Gen. Colin Powell said at a recent
> Somalia briefing that this operation is a "paid political
> advertisement" of U.S. military prowess.
> 
> Last March, a Pentagon White Paper that outlined a plan to maintain
> U.S. world domination in a post-Cold War era was leaked to
> reporters. The plan was directed both against Third World countries
> and U.S. imperialist rivals in Europe and Asia.
> 
> As outlined, the Pentagon planned to step into any power vacuum. No
> opportunity to prove the U.S. was the number-one military power
> would be overlooked.
> 
	[more stuff deleted]

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	and thats the trooffus, rufus!  the military establishment
	will continue to weild its power so that the fat cats can
	maintain a status quo.  witness the recent consolidations
	of the prime military contractors-- in the real world such
	deals like hughes aircraft acquiring general dynamics missile
	operations and the latest martin marietta purchase of ge's
	aerospace business would never be allowed due to antitrust
	and monopoly problems.  BUT, these military deals are waived
	off as *necessary* for the country's defense.

	we will see our men and women in the armed forces sent to
	far away, insignificant conflicts to be corrupted and/or
	killed for the simple denominator-- money.  it makes me
	sick.


happy holidaze & a prayer for peace to all.
pjm.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Re: Education
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 23:49:01 GMT

In article <gyigwB2w165w@netlink.cts.com>  writes:
> In keeping with my own wish to advance the discussion, will pose a 
> question:
> 
> How do we improve our educational system so that all children get an 
> equally good grounding right off the bat?

     The single most important thing that needs to be done is to change  
the way that primary and secondary education is financed. Public education  
should be financed solely through general revenues, i.e. income and sales  
taxes, NOT through local property taxes.

     Beyond that, the current teaching methods being used in public  
education need to be scrutinized. Personally, I think that the Montessori  
method makes the most sense as an alternative, because IMO it seems the  
most natural way for children to learn, and more specifically, because it  
grounds learning firmly in reality.    
 
> And within that, a sub-question:
> 
> While we're trying to improve education across the board, how do we 
> ensure that black children and other minority children don't end up  
being 
> psychologically sabotaged in the classroom by the very people they look 
> to to teach them?

     This is where the involvement of black parents, black  
priests/ministers, and black businesspeople becomes really important.  
There needs to be frequent interaction with public educators to make sure  
that this sabotage doesn't occur. One suggestion I have is that more black  
people should consider being a teacher's aide. Interestingly,  
parent-teacher interaction is an important part of the Montessori method. 
       
> In the event that school districts fail or refuse to meet these 
> responsibilities, how do we go about obtaining on our own a good 
> education for our children?

     Tough question. This assumes that the public school district  
administrators are obstinate in being irresponsible, in which case, black  
folk should use the ballot box and other forms of public pressure to  
remove them. But what do you do in the meantime? One possibility is to try  
and set up something within black churches as a supplement to whatever the  
public schools are providing, to at least make sure that black children  
are reading, writing, and doing mathematics at or above grade level.
 
> G.
> 
> --
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From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Institutional racism in education
Date: 1 Jan 93 21:51:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Dec24.045608.14245@samba.oit.unc.edu> Terry.Parks@launchpad.unc.edu (Terry Parks) writes:

[I don't know who is being quoted with ">" here, since "Terry Parks"
doesn't bother with trivia like attributions. ]

# >Terry Parks obviously knows nothing about the Federal
# >Government.  I am a researcher for the Fed Gov. and I can tell
# >you from experience that the government doesn't like to put out
# >anything that shows that the U.S. is still a racist society.
#
# Not true.  A classic case is their study of mortage applications.
# Over 5.3 millions mortgage application were examined and not one,
# not a single case was found in these over 5.3 million applications
# where an applicant was denied a mortage because their race. And is
# this how the government reported denied a mortage because their
# race. And is this how the government reported the results? No, they
# cooked the data to introduce a racial bais, one that poor Blaks
# receive fewer loans than wealthy Caucasians (with the terms "poor"
# and "wealthy" omitted, to save on printing costs no doubt).

Does anyone else smell something fishy here?

"Over 5.3 million" mortgage applications are somewhere between 100 and
1000 times as many needed for a legitimate statistical sample.
Considering that there would be considerable per-application expense,
ranging from transcribing to computer processing, I can't imagine any
government or private agency paying for millions of extra data sets
that would have no discernible effect on the study's outcome.

In fact, how long would it take for the average research mainframe to
run a 40-way ANOVA  with 5.3 million subjects?

Who would have access to all these applications in the first place?
Also, is race routinely listed on applications?  Can you imagine the
researchers making 5.3 million phone calls to determine the race of
the applicants?

It all seems pretty far fetched.

David
From: abw@natchez.bu.edu (Al Wesolowsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: a SERIOUS question about AA
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:27:04 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Boston University

In article <31DEC199212531828@utahep.uta.edu> sawyer@utahep.uta.edu (Lee Sawyer) writes:

[Much deleted....]
>
>In fact Dr. King's ThD dissretation may have been partially about 
>Neibuhr's ideas. What was the title of Dr. King's dissertation ?

 AUTHOR       King, Martin Luther, Jr., 1929-1968.
 TITLE        A comparison of the conceptions of God in the thinking of
              Paul Tillich and Henry Nelson Wieman / by Martin Luther King, Jr.
 IMPRINT      1955, c1958.
 DESCRIPT     v, 343 leaves : port.
 NOTE         Vita.
              Abstract: leaves 333-341.
              Thesis (Ph. D.)--Boston University, 1955.
              Bibliography: leaves 321-332.
              Photocopy. Ann Arbor, Mich. : University Microfilms
                International, 1984. 20 cm. ([Doctoral dissertation series;
                publication no. 24,708)]
 SUBJECT      Tillich, Paul, 1886-1965 --Theology.

-- 
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abw@crsa.bu.edu     University  o   Sam: "Good or bad?"
From: ww@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: 01 Jan 93 14:18 PST
Subject: Panther Freed--after 21 Years
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Subject: Panther Freed--after 21 Years
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Ahmad Abdur-Ahman freed!

By Cheryl LaBash
Detroit

A homecoming celebration filled the Museum of African American 
History here with joy Dec. 18. A community that had struggled 
hard to win the release of Ahmad Abdur-Rahman rejoiced in the 
freedom of "a man who stands for principle, who has sacrificed 
for principle."

Rahman was pardoned and released from prison in November, after 
21 years.

As part of the Black Panther Party's anti-drug program, Rahman 
participated in a drug house raid in 1971. The house, supplied by
a government informant, turned out to house Wayne State 
University students.

While Rahman was on another floor searching for drugs, another 
anti-drug fighter's gun went off, killing Frank Abramson. Rahman 
refused to plead guilty to an act he did not commit.

He was convicted under an unconstitutional Michigan law making 
all participants in a felony equally guilty. Rahman was sentenced
to life in prison, the maximum sentence.

The man who shot Abramson was released nine years ago.

At the celebration, Rahman said it was important not to forget 
the warriors who have died, been incarcerated, or killed 
struggling for the liberation of African people.

He pointed out that there are many political prisoners and 
sisters and brothers who are still locked up and don't need to be
locked up. He said he will personally call the governor about 
getting them out.

"I want the governor to know," he said, "that even though I'm 
glad he pardoned me, I was never a criminal in the first place. 
Even though I have spent 21 years in prison, the prison was never
in me."

Ahmad Abdur-Rahman was a political prisoner, targeted by the 
government for his participation in the Black liberation struggle
and railroaded to prison for a crime he did not commit. Rahman 
was kept incarcerated by a racist system that not forgive or 
forget the participants in the struggle for the poor and 
oppressed.

Showing tireless endurance, the Committee to Free Ahmad mobilized
wide support, including Frank Abramson's sister, for the parole 
hearing in September. This effort finally prevailed.

                               -30-

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