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From: ta@smith.Aus.Sun.COM (Tim Addison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: English League (almost) Sucks - I agree
Date: 13 Dec 1992 23:13:40 GMT
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In article 10003@syma.sussex.ac.uk, davidc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (David Corr) writes:
>From article <1992Dec10.151434.28610@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, by mxt7690@ritvax.isc.rit.edu:
>> If you guys think that English League is exciting, you are living in a dream
>> world. There is absolutely no creativity . If you don't like what I am saying
>> that is your problem. English League is the worst league in Europe.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>                           Matthius Pierre Lacombe T'anyeri
>
>Stop talking Shite!!!!!!
>

Actually he made a good point, although I wouldn't go so far as to say its the worst
league in Europe, I see more creative skilful play in the Australian League (and we're supposed to be a 3rd world soccer nation) than I do on the English Soccer broadcast on ABC monday evenings. The sad fact is that English soccer does *not* offer the excitement that it did some years ago. I was reared on a diet of early 70's English soccer when every team had 2 or 3 class players who were entertaining to watch. Nowadays there's probably a handful in the whole league.

So maybe you'd best take your blinkers off, and tell those dumb shits
who run the game over there that alls not well.


--Tim
From: nmuller@ems.cdc.com (Nelson Muller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: top ten teams in the world
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:54:23 GMT
Organization: Empros Systems International, a division of CDC

In article <11DEC199214441115@elroy.uh.edu>, math1pu@elroy.uh.edu (Douglas Luo) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec11.080028.6458@ugle.unit.no>, pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune) writes...
|> >In article <31037@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, nmuller@ems.cdc.com (Nelson Muller) writes:
|> >|> In article <9DEC199214454020@jane.uh.edu>, math1pu@jane.uh.edu (Douglas Luo) writes:
|> >|> |> 
|> >|> |> The best midfielder of all time will have to go to Diego Maradona.
|> >|>                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >|> 
|> >|> You must be too young not to have ever seen Pele play.  Gi'me a break,
|> >|> I'd rather have one Pele in my team than 2 Maradona.
|> 
|> By the way, I have tapes from World Cups 58, 62, 66, and 70. One has to admitt
|> that the 1970 Brazilian team which won the Cup is the best of all time. But
|> they would have won it without Pele anyways as they did in 1966.

I must agree with you that the 1970 Brazilian team was the best ever.  But look,
Pele played the '58 WC when he was only 17 years old.  He was not even a pro
at that time and he was already regarded as a great player.  Almost every
time Pele and his Santos teammates came to play in Rio de Janeiro, I would
go watch the game at the stadium, regardless of the opponent.  And I know
quite a lot of people who did the same.

By the way, Brazil did not win the '66 WC.  That title when to England.  Brazil
won in '58 and '62, the last one without Pele.  But at that time Brazil
had another great player:  Garrincha (right wing).

|> 
|> Doug 

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From: 2huushack@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Sao Paulo x Barcelona
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:32:59 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

	

	Does anybody know the result of the game for best team in the
world between Sao Paulo and Barcelona held in tokio last saturday?
	
	Could you please mail me the information?

	Thanks,

	Jose' Augusto
From: mikec@praxis.co.uk (Michael Chace)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:09:28 GMT
	<1992Dec16.135411.4917@dmu.ac.uk>
Organization: PraXis Systems plc, Bath, Avon UK

>>>>> Regarding Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?); ian@dmu.ac.uk (Ian Luff) said:

Ian> In article <Bz9G47.DII@cck.coventry.ac.uk> csg068@cch.coventry.ac.uk (** DECKER **) writes:

>>To fill in the Midlands picture a little further, Coventry traditionally
>>hate Leicester, while it seems that Northampton (!!) hate Coventry - at
>>least that's what seemed to be implied by the 'NTFC HATE COVENTRY' graffiti
>>which appeared at Filbert Street a couple of seasons ago.  Bizarre behaviour !>


	There's never been a better rivalry than that between Bristol 
	Rovers (The Gas) and Bristol City (The Sh*t). I guess it's the
	same in any city with two teams.

	It's always made better by the fact that Rovers are always the
	underdogs, have little cash and despite that - always manage
	to beat City - even when we're bottom of the table and they
	are the "fancied for promotion" team :-) 

	Mike
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	"4-nil, we beat the City 4-nil...."

	Goodnight Irene.
From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: who won Sao Paulo vs Barcelona?
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:34:03 GMT
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan


Sao Paulo	2	- 	1	Barcelona
  Rai  28th				 Stoichkov 12th
  Rai  79th

MVP: Rai (Sao Paulo)

Attendance: 60,000 
Whether: Clear blue sky, crisp winter day, 12 deg C. Pitch excellent condition.

On Sunday, December 13 the Toyota Cup or world championship for clubs in Tokyo
was held.
The game between Sao Paulo and Barcelona was exciting with the Brazilians
winning 2-1 after being lead 1-0 in the 12th minute.

Barcelona played very good soccer in the first 10 minutes of the game and
was rewarded by a superb 25 meter goal from Bulgarian super star
Hristo Stoichkov. The Brazilian goalie had no chance whatsoever.
Little by little the Brazilians took over and showed some dazzling skills
that makes the national team wonder why they are not playing better.

In the 28th minute after Rai tipped in the ball on a pass from Muller.
Justice had been done after Sao Paulo was dominating the game.Rai tipped in the ball on a pass from Muller.
Justice had been done, Sao Paulo was dominating the game and Koeman was 
stuck in his own half.

The second half opened with Sao Paulo dominating the game and creating some
good play with Palninha and Muller ripping through the Barcelona defense
only to find a foot or leg or Zubi's arm to stop the ball from passing
the line.
In the 79th minute, Palninha was brought down 22-23 meters from the
goal line slightly to the right. On the free kick Rai passed to Palninha
who passed back to Rai, Rai then with his right foot shot the ball which
beautifully curbed into Zubi's net. The ball went in the upper left corner
of the goal taking out all the spider webs that were there!
Platini could not have done better! Zubi did not even move.

Tele Santana burst onto the field and Rai came rushing towards him. The
Brazilians continued to dominate and almost scored a third goal.
Sao Paulo desreved to win.

Toninho Cerezo the old Brazilian star (37 years old) still has a few good
years before him.

See you next year, with Marseille :-) (Milan and Glasgow fans are going to 
					clobber me!)

Tsiel
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From: ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak)
Subject: Re: World's best 10 National Teams
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: World
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:22:15 GMT

IMO The best 10 teams are:

1. Germany
2. Italy
3. Scotland
4. Denmark
5. England
6. Spain
7. Ireland
8. Norway
9. Holland
10. Russia
(?). Hong Kong
(?). Canada

Anson
From: solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Marco Van Basten
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:30:49 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Dec16.084227.29326@ghost.dsi.unimi.it> massari@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (Gianmario Massari) writes:
>
>
>
>Informal News from `France Football`:
>
>
>	MARCO VAN BASTEN IS NEW BEST PLAYER IN EUROPE.
>	HE WON HER 3rd GOLD .                     
>
>
>
>
>
>Bye.
>
>			Gianmario
>
>
>	You can't beat red-black army.
>

   For the third time ! Great !!! 
Hope this is enough (or is it ?) to close the discussion on who is
better - Marco or Lineker , Marco or any other forward.
Nobody can match his ART !
Michael.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SCOTTISH RESULTS
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:43:22 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


scottish league results 12th december 1992...

PREMIER DIVISION

AIRDRIE 0-2 MOTHERWELL
            O'Donnell 59
            Arnott 64

CELTIC 1-0 DUNDEE
payton 55

DUNDEE UTD 2-2 ABERDEEN
crabbe 72      jess 21
mckinlay 77    irvine 55

FALKIRK 1-2 RANGERS
wishart 85  hateley 19
            mccoist 76

HIBERNIAN 1-0 PARTICK
jackson 83pen

ST JOHNSTONE 1-1 HEARTS
wright 64        I Ferguson 34


FIRST DIVISION


AYR 2-0 DUNFERMLINE
COWDENBEATH 1-3 CLYCEBANK
RAITH 3-1 ST MIRREN
DUMBARTON 0-3 STIRLING


Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: Staalebj@dhhalden.no (Mr. Bjerkeng)
Subject: The best defender in the world!
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Halden DH
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:23:51 GMT

The best defender in the world is without a doubt RUNE BRATSETH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery)
Subject: ARGENTINA - (weeks 17 and 18)
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:25:51 GMT

week 17
========
Boca           2                   Esapa#ol                 3
Independiente  2                   San Martin (Tuc.)        1
Estudiantes    0                   Belgrano (Cba.)          0
Rosario        1                   Velez                    3
Argentinos     2                   Huracan                  3
San Lorenzo    1                   Ferro                    0
Lanus          3                   River                    2
Talleres       2                   Newell's                 0
Mandiyu        1                   Gimnasia                 1
Platense       0                   Racing                   0


week 18
========
Platense                 1    Boca                     3
Racing Club              1    Dep Mandiyu (Cor)        1
Gimnasia y Esgrima (LP)  1    Talleres                 1
Newell's                 2    Lanus                    1 (susp 52')
River Plate              5    San Lorenzo              2
Ferrocarril Oeste        0    Argentinos Jr.           0
Huracan                  4    Rosario Central          0
Velez Sarfield           0    Estudiantes (LP)         0
Belgrano (Cba)           2    Independiente            0
San Martin (Tuc)         0    Deportivo Espa#ol        1

Positions			 Points
==========			 =======
Boca                               26
River                              24
Huracan                            22
San Lorenzo, Ferro                 21
Velez, Belgrano                    20
San Martin (Tuc)                   19
Estudiantes, Lanus *, Talleres     18
Espa#ol, Rosario, Mandiyu          17
Independiente                      16
Racing                             15
Platense, Gimnasia, Argentinos     13
Newell's *                         10

one more round to go...
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From: fuga@sju.edu (Emerson Fuga)
Subject: Re: World's best 10 National Teams
Organization: St. Joseph's University - Philadelphia, PA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:25:26 GMT


	From what I understand, Holland had two of the best players in the
world last World Cup and, how did they finish this championship...
	Irland is far from being in the top 30 and Argentina has not
disappeared.
	I would never make a top ten list of national teams because, as
any person that actually plays and follows soccer knows, soccer is a very
unpredictable game and good teams have disapointed many people as well as 
bad teams have surprised many more.
	I would, however, suggest that there are teams that can be considered
favorite for the next World Cup:
	Brazil, Germany, Italy, Argentina and others which aren't as good
such as Russia, Uruguay and Holland.
	If this might help, Brazil played the German national team a week
ago. Both teams were playing with the starting players and the score was
Brazil 3 x 1 Germany. However, Brazil was playing at home which might be
considered an advantage. Another evidence that Brazil is recovering its
place in world soccer (first place - the first to win three world cups and
the one and only team which qualified for all world cups) is the last 
game between Sao Paulo(South American Champion) and Barcelona (European 
Champion) when Sao Paulo became the World Champion.
	Any sound comments and criticisms are more than welcome.



Emerson Fuga.
Saint Joseph's University, Philadelphia - PA.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: paulr@boi.hp.com (Paul Rolig)
Subject: Soccer Videotapes, Books - Source
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:31:18 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

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soccer.  Subjects include videos of specific games, tournaments,
highlights, "greatest goals", "greatest saves", "bloopers", etc.,
as well as playing and coaching techniques, and refereeing topics.
Books cover playing, coaching and refereeing.

As Librarian for the Ada County Soccer Referee Association in
Boise, Idaho, I look the the above source first when trying to
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From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rivals (or, who do ya hate?)
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:37:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

In <BzGMMB.D2A@cck.coventry.ac.uk> csg068@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Decker) writes:

>Do you think we could turn this discussion on its head, and instead discuss
>which teams you CHEER when the half-times are being read out? For example,
>at Ipswich we used to have a little place in our hearts for Colchester. We
>also used to support Cambridge until they became a promotion rival last
>season!

It's become quite fashionable to "support" non-League clubs in this
way, as second teams. Although I herald from the Barnet/Enfield area,
I've been a life-long Spurs supporter and had never even heard of
Barnet FC or Enfield FC until the latter's monumental Cup performances
against Barnsley in the early Eighties and Barnet's similar
achievements against Brighton. So I started going to Barnet matches
when Spurs were away and have continued doing so for years. With
Barnet's successes and high profile over the last 5 years or so, many
other Spurs, Arsenal etc. fans have also developed an interest in them
and you can normally see people at WHL prick up their ears when the
Barnet score is announced.

Even before this it was common to hear mixed cheers and groans at WHL
when results for teams like Leyton Orient were read out - there's
normally a good few Spurs fans with a soft spot for any of the smaller
London clubs.

Then there's the ex-Spur factor, which means that Swindon's results are
eagerly anticipated; and we still refer to Norwich as "Spurs Reserves"
for their policy of picking up excellent Spurs players at bargain
basement prices. I think most Spurs fans would prefer to see Norwich
get the title than some other "neutral" side (Oldham?) for this
reason.

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From: hoens@gmd.de (Guenter Hoens)
Subject: Re: top ten teams in the world
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:11:22 GMT

In <1992Dec15.120526.17353@ugle.unit.no> pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune) writes:

>If we consider "better" football as more entertaining than "bad" or boring football, I could agree with you.  However, what is the reason that football has become more boring and tighter in the recent years?  I think that is because the players of today are of a better standard that EVER before.  

>Nowadays, the players are able to keep a higher tempo in the game in longer periods than before, so that the field apparently looks to small for 11 players.  Therefore, someone (I think it was FIFA) suggested that one should reduce the number of players to 10, to "open up" the game a little. This change, however, wasn't accepted, and instead we got smaller changes, the last one being the backpass (or whatever it is called) rule.  These small changes are, in fact, the result of a ten (10) year long st

dont forget, that football is more professional than ever before.
that means, that the players stop playing real football, when they are
two goals ahead.
in former times even games in friendship were interesting, but today i 
never watch the german team, when they play in friendship. they play
a boring football, and the same is true for the other teams.

games with more than 3 goals are rare events. sometimes i have the 
impression, that the players only want the game to end.

i liked the cameroon team in the last wc. they seemed to like playing
football.

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From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: St. Johnstone sack Totten ??!!
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:21:15 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec15.091648.13413@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:
> In article <Bz9C1K.Apu@trc.amoco.com> zamr11@hou.amoco.com writes:
>>Can anyone confirm this ? 
>>& any word of a replacement ?
> 
> Yup, this is true and yet another example of Chairmen having an overflated
> opionion of themselves. Apparently they sacked him because of falling
> attendances, as it couldn't be his track record. He brought the club from the
> Second Division into the Premier and reached a Scottish Semi in that time.
> They have consolidated their position in the Premier League and reached the
> Skol Cup Semi this season.

surely it is the fault of the board if fans aren't turning up?

the prices at mcdiarmid are pretty bad

> 
> As yet, no names have been mentioned as replacements.
> 
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From: jrod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (J. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WE NEED A NEW newsgroup
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:14:00 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <Bz9Gpt.IvC@hsi.com> archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer) writes:

> [a very good article deleted]

As another "survivor" from the rec.sport.misc days [except that I am probably
less than half of Garry's age!  :-) ] I wanted to say my piece too.

Football is international.  We know that.  It is a very unusual fan who does
not at least have some interest in football from another country.  Many of our
discussions [ok, flame wars :-) ] are multi-national.  

There is not enough traffic to need to split the newsgroup, like rec.sport.-
football.nfl, rec.sport.football.whatever.  [How many non-Americans have ever
accidentally posted into that newsgroup?!?  Garry, do you remember how often
Morna Findlay would forget and post into rec.sport.football? :-) ]

>In summary, and I've said this before when this new newsgroup creation
>subject comes up:  I wish that we stay as one newsgroup, rec.sport.soccer
>and remain the international community that we are.

>If everyone thought
>things through before they post we might see less rubbish.

EVERYONE PLEASE READ WHAT IS WRITTEN ABOVE AGAIN.  AND AGAIN.

>If you really
>have to slag off one another's team.  Do it in e-mail!  Most of
>rec.sport.soccer readers are just plain not interested in how much you
>hate one set of fans or teams or your clever little regional innuendos 
>that only a small percentage of readers understand anyway.

THIS PART TOO.

>	Vote NO to fragmentation.

"Just Say NO!"  :-)

>-- 
>Garry Archer Esq.	archer@hsi.com

John

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From: jimd@ssd.intel.com (Jim DePorter)
Subject: I know what Joe Leonetti is doing this winter (-8...
Organization: Supercomputer System Division, Intel
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:23:54 GMT


The reason I say this is that my daughter Kathryn is on the U16G
White FC Portland winter team. The coach for the team is Brian Gant,
and the assistant coach is Joe Leonetti. Brian Gant used to play
with his brother Bruce for the Portland Timbers, he is now the
Women's head coach at Catlin Gabel High School in Portland and his
team won the 3A-2A High School tournament (the women's high school
soccer playoffs were split this year, with a final for the 4A teams
and a final for everyone else). I don't have any other information
on where Brian played before the Timbers. I told him about rss and
he was going to see if Catlin has a 'connection'. My daughter is
excited about having both Brian and Joey as coaches (me too). I 
thought I'd let everyone know what at least one player off of the
national team is doing...

later,
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