From: mschenk@research.ptt.nl (Mike Schenk +31 70 33 23926)
Subject: Re: Need CMIP Information
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 09:29:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.080801.21740@news.uni-stuttgart.de>, ROESSLER@141.58.123.1 (GEORG ROESSLER) writes:
> In <1992Sep9.165649.21551@desktalk.desktalk.com> ty@desktalk.com writes:
> 
>> Leigh,
>> 
>> CMIP (CMOT on IP) is well described in the appropriate ISO documents and RFCs which
>> can be found on the NIC (anonymous FTP to nic.ddn.mil).  Although it may be considered
>> a "beefed up" variation of SNMP, it has not been widly implemented, and has in fact
>> been denounced by Internet-ers as trying to accomplish too much.  
>> 
>> My recommendation is to look more thuroughly at SMP (Marshall Rose's and Jeff Case's
>> upgrade to SNMP) which solves a lot of SNMP's problems, like bulk data transfers and
>> security issues.  It still uses ASN.1 (yuk!), as do CMOT and CMIP.
>> 
>> ---
>> Ty Kostan					EMail: ty@desktalk.com
>> Senior Staff Engineer				Voice: (310) 323-5998
>> DeskTalk Systems, Inc.				FAX:   (310) 323-6197
>> 19401 S. Vermont Ave #F100
>> Torrance CA 90502
>> 
> 
> Sorry, but CMIP is _not_ CMOT over IP.

That was my first reaction too. But I think Ty meant that CMIP 
was called CMOT in an IP environment. 

> CMIP reads Common Management Information Protocol and is the OSI application
> layer service element for network management communication. Service (CMIS) 
> and protocol (CMIP) have been defined in ISO 9595 and ISO 9596 in 1991. 
> Meanwhile, you can also obtain the same text from CCITT as X.710 and X.711.
> 
> CMIS/P is only part of the OSI network management standards. The main concepts
> are defined in 
>   ISO 7498-4 'OSI Basic Reference Model - Management Framework'
>   ISO 10040 ' OSI Systems Management Overview'.
> 
> Management information is described in ISO 10165 'Structure of Management
> Information', 
>   Part 1: 'Management Information Model'
>   Part 2: 'Definition of Management Information'
>   Part 4: 'Guidelines for the Definition of Managed Objects.'

Actuall the standards do not describe management information but 
define in which way management information should be defined. 

> More than a dozen Systems Management Functions can be found in parts of the
> ISO 10164-x standard.
> 
> These ISO standards will also be published as CCITT recommendations of the
> X.700 series; some of them are already available.
> 
> Further, layer specific information is proposed for layers 2, 3, and 4 in
> ISO CD 10742, ISO DIS 10733, and ISO DIS 10737, respectively.

Also CMIS/P is used in the TMN environment which is defined in 
CCITT recommendation M.3010. Here CMIS/P is used on the so called 
Q-interfaces. TMN (Telecommunications Management Network) is used 
for managing telecommunications network.

A number of CCITT recommendations define management information 
for different technologies like SDH (G.774) and SS#7 (Q.751). 
There are others but I don't know the relevant CCITT 
recommendations.

> I hope this helps reducing confusion about CMIP and CMOT ...


Now that we are on the subject. Does anyone feel the need for a 
newsgroup about TMN and OSI management? If more of you think such 
a group is usefull we could start an RFD for it. Please let me 
know your opinions, preferably by email and I will post a summary 
later.

Mike Schenk,            
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