HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gray@ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle H. Gray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Andy departs... (was Re: System 6 Launcher!)
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:16:06 GMT
Reply-To: gray@ibis.cs.umass.edu (Lyle H. Gray)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Apr13.050511.12728@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.220931.2895@xcluud.sccsi.com> gtolar@xcluud.sccsi.com (Glynne Tolar) writes:
>>
>>... Can you help the II working on a Mac, I doubt it.
>
>What kind of nonsense is this? Have you never heard of people moving around
>to different projects if only to keep their enthusiasm up? System6.0 was a
>major project. Nothing wrong with a change. Many people work on different
>things all the time. I move from project to project. It doesn't mean that I
>care less for the ones I've finished. As for your Mac statement, it should
>be obvious that anything that helps the Mac will help the GS as the Mac is
>the line that brings in the most revenue. I wish Andy N. well . System 6.0
>is very, very...nice. I still feel Apple has an uphill battle in the computer
>industry, but I guess that makes it even more interesting.

I agree.  I've been working on the same project for two years now (it's a
_big_ project), and I know _I_ could sure use a change of pace.

And as for working on the Mac helping the II, it does and doesn't.  What it
_really_ does is help the programmer -- some techniques developed working on
one machine can be transferred to the other (the same trick works with
computer languages -- I don't like language bigots ;-) ).

Let Andy do what he needs and wants to.  It's his life and career, not yours.
The System 6.0 and Finder came out great, with some stuff that didn't show up
in testing (that's normal, folks, really normal!)
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From: umpistun@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Pistun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Lovin' System 6
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:35:27 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


     I saw System 6.0 for the first time last week, and I was wondering
what you all think the big deal is about it.

     For one thing, it isn't a signifigant enhancement of version 5.  For
another, it's a dog.  It's slow, buggy and USELESS.  Also, don't forget,
IT'S JUST A ****ing PROGRAM LAUNCHER!!!  It really does nothing for you.

     I think it's really sad that you people make such a big deal about the
only piece of sofware that has come out in recent memory.  

     The Apple II line has made a signifigant contribution to personal 
computer technology, but the day of the Apple II line is gone.  It's
dead.  Finished.  History.

     Send all replies to /dev/null.
From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: ProDOS 2.0.1 Changes? (and NSC)
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:34:54 GMT
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <ragmiINNsnu@agate.berkeley.edu>, erichsu@sizzlean.berkeley.edu (Eric 2 Hsu) writes:
> 
> I don't have a GS, but I bit the bullet and downloaded the SYSTEM.DISK and 
> INSTALLER (40 min each at 2400 bps). Each one of them had a copy of ProDOS 2.0.1
> and BASIC 1.5, but neither one had a list of version changes. Is there such a 
> list somewhere?

When we update the ProDOS 8 Technical Notes later this month, we'll update
the notes that have such lists.  Keep watching.
>  
> I especially ask since the No Slot Clock patcher doesn't seem to work on
> ProDOS 2.0.1. I want to know if ProDOS 2.0.1 is so much better than ProDOS 1.9
> that I'll want to hack at the Patcher and make it work for 2.0.1.
> 

There is a program available somewhere that installs an NSC driver _without_
patching the PRODOS file.  You're encouraged to use this, because patching
the PRODOS file is still as dumb today as it was in 1984.

> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Eric Hsu					erichsu@math.berkeley.edu
> "The rallyman's patter ran on through the dawn... til he said so long to
> his skull... shrill yell."

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Support, Apple Computer, Inc.         | not those of Apple Computer, and
Personal mail only, please.  Thanks.  | shame on you for thinking otherwise.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: julichjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Joseph H Julicher)
Subject: Re: System 6.0 and an Apple Scanner!!!!
Reply-To: julichjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Joseph H Julicher)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:35:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.162926.9358@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) writes:
> 
> I can get an Apple flatbed scanner on loan from a friend.
> 
> Since sys 6 has a driver for the scanner:
> 
> I'd assume the driver works fine, but is there any software that'll 
> support the scanner on the GS? (inwords, maybe?)
> 
>  Shane

The 5.04 system also had a scanner driver.  Unfortunatly No software that I am  
aware of can use it.
--
Joseph Julicher at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
julichjh@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Computer Engineering Major
Always looking for new toys for my 6 apples.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: t.captain@bluemoon.rn.com (Tc Wilson)
Subject: Re: Piraccy via BBSs (was: Re: Apple Awards)
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 02:42:43 EDT

flav@bluemoon.rn.com (Jason Jones) writes:


-> [loads of stuff deleted to save my tired eyes]

Flav, you're one of the FEW people who doesn't continually ask me if TCQ 
(my bbs) has a "pirate" section.

Actually, I've been doing VERY well *without* a pirate (read: illegal) 
transfers section. Reason? I pursue shareware/freeware/pd programs and 
soundfiles aggressivly.

And the users support this activity! In fact, they LOVE the amount of 
"decent, avail-for-all" software online.

As a side note, there seems to be more "publicly distrubted" (hmm, nice 
term) Apple II software than their is "pirated" software.



Tc Wilson/The Captain           "Programming is an art form
t.captain@bluemoon.rn.com        that fights back."
From: edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Piraccy via BBSs (was: Re: Apple Awards)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:39:38 EDT
Organization: Guerrilla Networking Project
Reply-To: edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4

In article <1992Apr16.204144.14078@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> (kreme@isis.cs.du.edu), you write:
> edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys) writes:
> 
> 
> >In article <w9Z9iB1w164w@bluemoon.rn.com> (comp.sys.apple2), flav@bluemoon.rn.com (Jason Jones) writes:
> >> edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys) writes:
> >He has a Macintosh, but that isn't the point. ZModem was just coming
> >into vogue when I left the Apple II pirate scene, and at that point, it
> >was a major 'selling point.' YMODEM is acceptable for piracy, but
> >XMODEM is almost totally worthless. Morgan not having Y or ZMODEM in
> >ProLine makes it worthless for piracy.
 
> Actually, I would say it just makes it worthless.  Or if I'm feeling
> really generous, at least worthless for file transfers.  Sorry, but not
> supporting a batch protocol is just stupid, and Morgan's off the cuff
> slam about zmodem being just for pirates is as good a reason as any not
> to buy his software.
> 
I would rather have access to a ProLine BBS simply for what it gives you.
No other II BBS, and very few non-UNIX systems offer what ProLine does. Sure,
whatever software you have now might support news and mail next year, but
ProLine is a moving target, too...

> Sounds to me like you are the hypocrite in the crowd.  You talk big about
> "stealing" and "piracy" and "stupid 9th graders" but then you also mention
> helping people set up Pirate Apple II boards.
> 
>
If you didn't selectively read paragraphs, you might understand what I said.
When I was this kid's age, I did what he now does, and now realize how stupid
it was. I was arrested in NINTH GRADE for credit card fraud, and I was up
to my eyeballs in the stuff he is now. My position is not one of morality
but hard-found practicality. I am now a computer science major, and plan to
develop programs for my living. If you steal other poople's software, you
have no excuse for ANYTHING that happens for you. If Flav here get's hit in
the head with a stray bullet, I don't think he has a right to complain. You
either play along with society, or foresake any benefits you might reap from
it. I own everything I use -- I even register my shareware stuff (ask Dave
Lyons how many people paid for Davex...).

Interestingly, you didn't reply to the related material I wrote in the
paragraphs after the one you quoted...

--
Ed Watkeys (Drexel U. Comp Sci)  "Moral judgement and condemnation is
edw@caligula.cts.com              the favorite form of revenge for the
edw%caligula@phlpa.pha.pa.us      spiritually limited on those who are
ls.com!phlpa!caligula!edw         less so...." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: RF SCSI and Archive Tape drive ... argh!
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:14:41 GMT


Hi there,

I am experiencing problems with my RF SCSI Rev. D V2.01e card. It won't
recognize my tape drive. This is my setup:

RF in slot 7, with ST1096N ID 7 and Archive Series 540 Tape Drive (WD
controller, not the Emulex thingie) on ID 6.

No when I power up, the tape calibrates, the HD starts up, and my system
hangs. No, I don't get the Utilities after 30 seconds. Jolly good. Shutting
down computer, turning it on again. HD is now already up and running. The
computer boots, the tape calibrates again (getting a Status call I gather).
I went into the utility program, chanted "Edit" ... the HD shows up. The
tape does not even stir. Same for Backup. Same for manually clicking on ID
6 in the Edit screen.

I know the tape works, it does so with Adaptec controllers and lots of
others ... just my RF won't recognize it. I have to admit I am extremely
unhappy about this. Any suggestions?

Regards

Soenke Behrens

P.S.: I saw that post from that other person saying he couldn't get his
Archive tape to work either ... So, my humble request: Could you call CV
about this and tell me what they said? I'd do it myself, but calling in
from Germany is _really_ high distance ... can't afford that.
From: x9999bns@oak.circa.ufl.edu (David Isaacson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GSOS system6 and DOS
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:08:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: math.1992Apr5.192434.29067
Reply-To: X9999BNS%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: The CIRCA Underground

In article <11014@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, hmayor@mbir.bcm.tmc.edu (Heather Mayor) writes:
>I have had no trouble reading in text files from MAC disks
>into the GS I use as a Unix terminal. However I have
>had no luck with 720 formatted DOS 3.3 disks. I believe
>I installed all the necessary files from the version of
>system 6 I downloaded from apple.com.
>Any ideas?
>*-------------------------------------------------------------*
>|  Heather D. Mayor            |  hmayor@mbir.bcm.tmc.edu     |             
>|  Department of Microbiology  |           OR                 |
>|  Baylor College of Medicine  |    hmayor@bcm.tmc.edu        |
>|  Houston, TX 77030  U.S.A.   |                              |
>*-------------------------------------------------------------*

You're trying to read MSDOS 3.3 files. The FST is for Apple DOS 3.3. Haven't
been using Apple IIs long have ya ;)


David Isaacson           VAX:  Fraenhawk@maple.circa.ufl.edu
                               X9999BNS@maple.circa.ufl.edu

                         Unix: fhawk@nerix.nerdc.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mark@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning)
Subject: Re: Why no Small C?
Organization: Simulacron I
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:04:30 GMT

Byte Works eh?  I'll have to look up their address and phone number.
But thanks.  I'll give it a try.
From: jlinton@pro-scat.cts.com (Jeremy Linton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Request for technical information
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:16:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr15.051654.21609
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA


        Check out Apple tecnical refrence manuals... Or for that matter the
Laser 128 technical manual it has pages and pages and pages of softswitches
and what they all do.

                Jlinton
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: 20 MB Floptical experiences, anyone?? Here's mine!!
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:17:11 GMT

daveharv@pro-tiger.UUCP (Dave Harvey-SysAdmin) writes:

>Those must have been very large capacity ones.  I'm interested in one I saw
>advertized for $649.00.  Each floptical disk holds 20 mb.  It's made by
>Digital Micronics, Inc.  What I find interesting is that flopical drives, (
>or at least this design), can read and write to normal 1.44 mb disks.

All the mechanisms I know of support 720k (DD) and 1.44meg disks as well as the
special 20meg floptical media, which I now have one of since I bought PLI's
version of the drive through MacZone for $558. This has an Insite I325VM (hey
Unknown! Remember these??) but don't run off and buy it just yet -- I have been
unable to get the damn thing to work on the ramfast, and it is flaky even on a
Mac!! I do not mean to bash the mechanism -- I called Tulin and they say
theirs ($779) uses an Insite mechanism also and works just peachy with the
Ramfast and the finder -- because when I called PLI tech support they told me
that if I plugged the host side of the SCSI bus into the bottom port of the
drive (which is the natural place to put it), it MIGHT fry something inside
the drive!! This is because of some new terminator scheme that PLI came up
with that is not in the manual yet. I am going to do a few more tests on a Mac
and then send the thing back to MacZone. Then I am going to look around and
see who else is selling flopticals besides Tulin (LRO says they will be
evaluating a Sony mechanism soon, and it should be available in a month)
to see if I can get a better price. I don't blame the Insite mechanism, mainly
because of Tulin's phone claim; the only company I'm marking on my red list is
PLI. Pity, I used the think PLI was really studly, we have a PLI Syquest here
that works really well (when it's not busy being stolen, that is) and that I
used to use to back up my HD. I want to use a floptical for backups and HD
compatibility, but it looks like it's going to be a longer road than I planned.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: hartkopf@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Hartkopf)
Subject: File Manager problems with System 6
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:50:30 GMT


Would anyone who has been having problems using File Manager's Info module
under System 6 please mail me?  I think I have fixed the bug but I would
like to have some people test it out on their systems first before I 
release the new version.

Thanks.


Jeff Hartkopf
University of Colorado at Boulder
Internet: hartkopf@spot.colorado.edu
From: cmm@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chris M McKinsey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: New FExts
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:31:07 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <B669iB2w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira) writes:
>Actually, a small toot is deserved for IR...I was playing with it today 
>(instead of studying...this is entirely your fault...) and it _is_ really 
>cool. With other extensions to handle sound files, graphics, text files...I 
>could never leave the desktop (even to go outside).

Since Matt is playing with his horn, and you're wanting more Finder
Extensions, I guess I'll announce:

 "Eye" :  A Finder Extension to view graphics and animations from the
          desktop (Finder). This supports all formats that SuperView does,
          including 3200's, PaintWorks and Animatar animations. It supports
          multiple (mixed) files/types.

 "Ear" :  A Finder Extension to play SynthLab and SoundSmith songs from
          the desktop (Finder). Mind you, this does not have the problem
          that plagued Minstrel, but nor does it have all the nifty features.

 "SoundTasker" : An INIT that allows you to still have your digitized
                 sound effects for system beeps, even when some application
                 is using the Sound Chip (i.e. playing music).

These will be available on future issues of SoftDisk GS. So make sure you
you subscribe today. :-)

-- 
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* Chris M. McKinsey       Computer Electrical Engineer      Purdue University *
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bb252@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James L. Brookes)
Subject: Various System 6.0 wierdness...
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 01:36:35 GMT


Okay, here are a few pecularities I've noticed using System 6.0 and
Finder over the last few days.
 
Most of these are cosmetic errors, so they aren't terribly important -
but it would be nice to know what causes them.
 
1) Sometimes when exiting a p8 program, everything goes normally until
the all the icons are on the desktop.  Then the screen very quickly
redraws itself, and everything is normal.
 
2) some icons for p8 programs (NTGS in this case) won't run off the desktop,
meaning you double-click on a MOD and it responds with "This file must reside
on a ProDOS volume" (which it does).
 
3) GSBug 1.6d20 doesn't like GNO (yes, I know this is well known and not
exactly System 6.0 related).  Is there going to be a fix for this any time
soon?  It causes all sorts of wierd screwups in GNO, making me have to unload
every time I want to use GNO or deactivate gsbug totally (thank god for ir
:).
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lucifer@world.std.com (Kevin S Green)
Subject: Re: GS Moria Source Code...
Summary: no misconception
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:40:26 GMT

In article <0f2T02oMc56g00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
|In article <BMGp8H.AqL@world.std.com> lucifer@world.std.com (Kevin S Green) writes:
|>You would do well to port that instead since many bugs/
|>logic errors from 4.8.3 have been corrected since then.
|
|I think there's a misconception here.  4.83 is ALREADY ported, and has some
|GS-specific code in it.  The best thing to do would be to get 5.31 and add
|the //gs stuff from 4.83 into it.

Andy, 
There is no misconception. I am aware that 4.83 has been ported
already by Jason Harper. However, there are major flaws with
version 4.83 (I know...I play it sometimes) that have been
corrected in later versions. I think it would be more hassle
than help to try and merge 4.83 GS-specific code with 
later portable code.

PS: I have v5.3.1 source for Unix...takes up several Megs of
harddrive space. Not something I would look forward to working
on in the near future.
-- 
Kevin S. Green / lucifer@world.std.com / {xylogics;uunet}!world!lucifer
               /America Online: Gargoth
From: magras@pacific.cps.msu.edu (Mr.  Jean-Claude Magras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: makebin for multiple segments
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:21:25 GMT
Organization: Anarchy Committee
Originator: magras@pacific.cps.msu.edu

Hi, it's me again...

Does anybody have a program that corresponds to orcam's makebin but will
handle multiple segments. I'll settle for a method to clear out local labels
in the ORCAM 2.1 assembler that is compatible with Makebin's 1 segment
restriction.

Thanks in advance,

J.C. Magras

P.S. In Beyond Zork, Once you get the sphere constructed from black hemisphere
and the white hemisphere. How do you use.. i.e. how do get enough IQ points
my character has about 50, to be able to use it. Also a clue on how to get
the baby to follow me to the alligator statue, sword & sayonara don't do the
trick.. baby wonders off after mom. Bigger than main subject, uh oh :0

 magras@cps.msu.edu. | 517 337 2267 | 1736 Burcham Dr., E. Lansing, MI 48823
From: cmm@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Chris M McKinsey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Attn Apple Guys: Possible Sound Tools bug
Date: 6 Apr 92 05:26:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: en.1992Apr6.052636.24017
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr5.012816.6315@news.iastate.edu> irsman@iastate.edu (Ian R Schmidt) writes:
>
>Setup at least 2 generators running with their parm block's NEXT field pointing
>back on itself.  Then at apparently random intervals (maybe when it loops
>around?) the sound will become garbage for a few seconds, and clear itself
>up again, only to dissolve again later.  If you need any example sounds
>or parm blocks to completely test this I can send them.  The relevant parm
>settings are:  buffer size =0, DOC address = $1000 (I've tried others with the
>same effect), volume = $d0.  It has been observed to occur under both
>5.0.4 and 6.0 final if that helps.

I don't have my Tool Ref in front of me, but why are you setting the buffer size to $00?
It seems to me, pointing the NEXT field back to itself, with a buffer size (isn't that
another word for wavelength?) of $00 seems like a case of some toolbox engineer
not checking for "goofy" parameters. Or is that what your saying? :-)

>"The Americans seem to hold...Marshalls with minimal processing in high
>esteem...while the British seem quite ready to grab gobs of Kraco." - TNMS #459

Marshalls? I sure would like to a have a hundred watt stack for my Les Paul... :)
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu (S. A. Modena)
Subject: WANTED: Apple 2e 5-1/4" floppy controller
Originator: samodena@csemail.cropsci.ncsu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Crop Science, NCSU, Raleigh, NC.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:36:33 GMT

WANTED: Apple 2e 5-1/4 floppy drive I/O controller board.


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