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From: gschenk@video.rogers.com (Gerry Schenk)
Subject: Re: trust the Canadians....
Organization: Rogers Video, Richmond, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:19:03 GMT


Lawrence,
  
You are so full of hate and bigotry, that it must be incredibly difficult
for you to get up in the morning, and face yourself in the mirror.
  
You have done a great job of confusing me.  In your last post, you went
into great detail about how wonderful a humanitarian you are.  Yet in previous
postings, you call for the wantant and discriminate destruction of a people
and it's country.

???????

Next you claim that you are a non "believing" Jew.  Yet in previous postings,
you use being a Jew as a convenient moral stick, in which to beat the heathen
Germans.  Where I come from, a non practising Christian, is called an atheist.
I assume the same would apply for someone practising Judaism.  Either you
are or you aren't.  Think of it something like being pregnant.
  
As for your morality,

Neonazi  = calls for destruction of a people based on ethnic background.
Laurence = calls for destruction of a people based on ethnic background.

I fail to see the difference.

Next you claim to have the right to judge other people.  To judge, you
need morality; morality, that you do not possess.

Lawrence, please sit down sometime, clean the foam from your mouth, and read
your posts.  Your posts are filled with nothing but hate and bigotry.  The
very thing that you claim to crusade against.

Appreciate the Internet for what it is.  The Internet, is probably one of
the biggest undocumented accomplishments of human cooperation ever.  Each
one of us is here by choice, to converse and learn.  This is a forum for
interaction, not for spreading hate.  When you post to the Internet, you
are joining an International community. Act responsibly. The Internet is not
a soapbox for you to abuse.  

Take note, we are not here to simply allow you and others like you, to spew
your messages of hate and bigotry.  To simply allow you to continue,
unopposed, would mean that we condone your actions.  I for one do not.  Next
time you claim to have your Free Speach violated, consider the difficulties
of dragging your soapbox to a public square, a newspaper or a TV.  I would
imagine that you would have a great deal of difficulty in spreading your
messages of hate in those forums.

Constructively look at your posts, they do nothing to contribute to society,
but actively encourage intolerance.  Your posts are filled with nothing but
bigotry, hatred, and hypocracy.

When you decide to rejoin the International community, and are willing to
contribute to societies well being, you will then be welcomed back with
open arms.

One last note, Yes I will be praying for you even more now. 

->Gerry 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: German troops to Somalia???
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Distribution: soc.culture.german,local
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:37:58 GMT

regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George) writes:

>Reminder:
>Sometime in the late 1970's, German counterterrorists carried out an
>Entebbe-style rescue in (of all places) Mogadishu. That operation is
>sometimes called "the first post-WWII use of German troops outside
>Germany."

If I remember right (but I'm not sure) this mission was executed 
by the GSG 9 (Grenzschutzgruppe 9). This group was founded after
the Olimpic Games in Munich where terrorists killed 5 (?) hostages
after the police tried to arrest them.
This group is speacialized on missions against terrorists and 
(the important thing in this case, I think) is not a member
of the army, but of the police. To be exactly the border
guards (BGS).
Hope this was correct =)

Bye,
  Christian

-- 
"'Menschen?' Diederich rollte die Augen 'Der innere Feind sind sie!'"
- aus Heinrich Manns "Der Untertan"
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Artikel in der WELT
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:59:57 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Einige Jahre vorher (1989?) gab es eine interessante Artikel in der
deutsche Zeitung "Die Welt".  Ein Redakteur schrieb ueber neue deutsche
Woerter, die aus Englisch stamm.  Der Redakteur war ganz verwirrt(?),
weil er eine ganze Artikel auf deutsch schreiben konnte, benutzend nur
englishce Woerter.  Anfang 1990 konnte man diese Artikel in der Zeitung
"The New York Times" wieder lesen.  Weiss jemand, an welchem Tag war
diese Artikel in "The New York Times"?  Oder kann jemand die artikel an
meine e-mail Addresse schicken?

Bitte entschuldigen die grammatische Fehler, aber ich habe jetzt kein
Woerterbuch dabei.

A few years ago (1989?) there was an interesting aritcle in the German
newspaper "Die Welt".  One of the editors wrote about new German words
that were borrowed from the English.  The editor was very dismayed that
he could write an entire article in German using English loan-words. 
In the beginning of 1990 the article was reprinted in the "New York
Times".  Does anybody know the date the article appeared in the "New
York Times", or could somebody who has it email a copy of the article?

Pardon the grammatical errors in the German part, but I don't have my
dictionary handy at the moment.

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have known it would be bad vodka when all the label said was
'Russian Vodka'."
From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: What about "free" speech
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:52:55 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Institute for Real-time Computer Systems and Robotics (IPR), Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: i61s4.ira.uka.de

In principle, I share your opinion about free speech. But as far as I know,
not all people in the USA do. I've heard about mothers who are thinking that
some stuff musicians are singing on their LPs and CDs may not be suitable for
their children. What do you know/think about that?
-- 


Stefan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: tmg@midget.saar.de (John Tmg)
Subject: Re: Asylrecht
Organization: Yoyodyne Posting Systems, Midget HQ
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:51:37 GMT

dennis@metw3.met.fu-berlin.de (Dennis Schulze) writes:

>In <1992Dec14.095345.1219@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern Baier) writes:

[...]
>Es geht nicht darum, dass sie aus der Heimat klagen sollen, sondern
>sie koenne auch aus jedem anderen Land den Anspruch einklagen. Doch
>wenn sie erstmal soweit gekommen sind, dass sie in einem sicheren
>Land sind, dann frage ich mich, warum die Leute dann das Asylrecht
>gerade in Deutschland einklagen wollen???

Ja, da kommen wir doch zu einem interessanten Punkt :-)
Ist doch ganz einfach: Die Asylbewerber (potentielle) kommen in ein
sogenanntes sicheres Drittland (zB Frankreich). Das Problem, dass dieser
Asylbewerber jetzt hat, ist vor allem, das er nach franzoesischem Recht
sehr viel einfacher abgeschoben werden kann, als nach unserem (liberalerem)
Recht. Unser Recht ist zwar noch vorhanden, kann aber nicht mehr voll
in Anspruch genommen werden (da er ja nicht in die BRD reinkommt).
Wir schieben also unsere Probleme einfach auf andere Laender ab, die
sich dann ja entsprechend "die Finger schmutzig" machen koennen, mit
Asylgesetzen, die so bei uns nicht akzeptabel waeren. Augenwischerei.
Es gibt eben noch kein europaeisches Asylrecht, das durch die
neuregelung des Art. 16 aber dringend notwendig waere, da ansonsten
nach unseren Massstaeben *schlechtes* Drittlaenderrecht auf Asylbewerber
angewendet wird, die keine Moeglichkeit haben ein (IMHO) "gerechteres"
Verfahren in der BRD zu erhalten.

[...]

Tilman
-- 
tmg@midget.saar.de                  i did not go to work today
Tilman Mueller-Gerbes, Saarbruecken    - i think i won't tomorow
                                           break your chains
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: maxc0125@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Dennis Rubner)
Subject: Re: Help needed for survey about Germ. cities
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:54:26 GMT

: > Strange result. Munich is for yuppies only. Berlin, the only place
: > with a sufficient supply of crazy people (in german "freaks") to make
: > it interesting doesn't appear. Who would go to Heidelberg or Wiesbaden
: > (yawn - you must have boring friends).
: 
: I agree!  My votes go to Berlin (most dynamic) and Freiburg (best
: weather and lots of other nice things).  Heidelberg (the *original*
: Euro-Disneyland), Wiesbaden, and inflated Duesseldorf aren't that
: terribly interesting.
: 
: I also wonder why Germany's cultural capital (Frankfurt) doesn't even
: appear.
:
Newest results, still without Frankfurt, because nobody voted for it.
If you also want to take part in the survey, why don't you mail yourself to
Susanna (maxc0439@ucselx.sdsu.edu) and tell her your opinion?

The tally so far :

Login name: maxc0439

Plan is to run away with the EBS students, and take Stephen if he wants to go.
Yes, Munich is cold, but I can't take anymore resolution predicate calculus.
I'm doing a survey, which is a beter place to live:

Everybody else e-mail me if you have an opinion in this matter.

Tally so far:     Munich      Hamburg    Cologne   Wiesbaden  Duesseldorf
                   5            5          3          4           2

                 Dortmund (for its greenery)    Heidelberg    Oppenheim
                   1                                  3           1




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 masc0125@rohan.sdsu.edu                   deliriant isti romani
 maxc0125@ucselx.sdsu.edu                  veni vidi got drunk
 masc0225@rohan.sdsu.edu                   punk's not dead

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Onno Meyer)
Subject: German troops to Somalia???
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:51:08 GMT

Our gouvernment wants to send 1500 troops to Somalia. They want to send
not only transport, medical and technical units but also some infantry
to protect them.

This is the first time our gouvernment wants to send combat troops
out of the NATO area. The opposition says this breaks the constitution,
and a former admiral said on TV those soldiers who go commit a criminal
offense.
The opposition is especially upset that this decision is made some days
after the beginning of the christmas break of our parliament.


The german constitution says our troops may only be used in the way the
constitution describes: to defend Germany and our allies against armed
attacks against their territory (and to aid the german police in certain
exactly described cases).

However, gouvernment and opposition agree that relief operations like
the transport aircraft currently operating in africa are legal if the
forces are not armed.
-- 
* Onno Meyer - Kastanienallee 40 - 2900 Oldenburg - Deutschland  *
*     e-mail: Onno.Meyer@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de        *
* Mathe-Student, und auch etwas Informatik...                    *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Joern Baier)
Subject: Re: Neues Asylrecht in aller Kuerze
Organization: Multikulturelle Gesellschaft n.e.V.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:19:52 GMT

In article <psima01.724493916@convex> psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Maisack) writes:
>In <icking.724452157@gmd.de> icking@gmd.de (Werner Icking) writes:
>
>>Politisch verfolgte Fallschirmspringer geniessen Asyl.
>>(aus dem heutigen Koelner Stadtanzeiger - Leserbrief?)
>
>das muss naetuerlich noch ergaenzt werden: Der Fallschirm darf
>nicht in einem Verfolgungsfreien Drittland produziert worden sein.

Kein Asyl geniessen die Fallschirmspringer, die mit ihrem Flugzeug ein
"sicheres Drittland" ueberflogen haben. Sie haetten ja auch schon dort
abspringen koennen.
-- 
* Joern Baier     (baier@forwiss.uni-passau.de) __o   *
* Jesuitengasse 9, D-W8390 Passau             _`\<,_  *
* Tel +49/851/35239                          (_)/ (_) *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Freedom of speech WAS Re: Lawrence Godfrey
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:00:53 GMT
 <Dec.7.16.48.29.1992.3044@gandalf.rutgers.edu> 
 <ALTI.92Dec8163103@tanera.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <Bz0Eq3.Hn1@nic.umass.edu> 
 <ALTI.92Dec11191358@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk>  <Bz48nI.Lrv@cs.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Of course, a lot of American universities are attempting to make a
right to be offended by passing anti-bias codes of speech.  Of course,
only the 'oppressed minorities' are protected....

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
was 'Russian Vodka'."
From: ros@rossi.han.de (Alexander Rossner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Organization: private site
Subject: Re: Asylrecht
	<1992Dec14.095345.1219@tom.rz.uni-passau.de>
Reply-To: ros@rossi.han.de
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In <1992Dec14.095345.1219@tom.rz.uni-passau.de>, Joern Baier writes:

[...]
>Eben nicht. Diejenigen, die unbedingt nach Deutschland wollen, werden
>auch weiterhin kommen. Sie koennen sich zwar dann nicht mehr auf's Asyl-
>recht berufen, was jedoch dazu fuehren wird, dass wir ueber kurz oder
>lang einen Anstieg der illegalen Zuwanderung zu verzeichnen haben. Die Oder
>wird durch eine Grundgesetzaenderung  jedenfalls keinen Millimeter tiefer.
>

na prima, weil sowieso alle kommen, muessen die Gestze nur so geaendert
werden, dass alle rechtmaessig hier sind ? Ganz nach dem Stil:
das Tempolimit wird sowieso massenhaft gebrochen, also schaffen wir das 
Strassenverkehrsrecht ab ! 
So einfach geht's leider nicht.

>>[...]
>
>Ein europaeisches Fluechtlingsrecht muesste beinhalten, dass Fluechtlinge
>durch staatliche Massnahmen wie etwa Sprachkurse oder Ausbildungen in die
>Gesellschaft integriert werden. Es muesste dann einen europaeischen
>Fluechtlingsstatus geben, der auf der Grundlage der Genfer Fluechtlings-
>konvention aufbaut.
>
Jau, und 80 Millionen Deutsche geben dann Sprachunterricht und Einweisung
in den Gebrauch von WCs.


>>[...]
>"Abgeschoben" wird nach der neuen Regelung kaum noch, sondern "zurueck-
>geschoben". Dies ist ein kleiner aber feiner Unterschied. Die Abschie-
>bung muss angedroht werden und kann daher nicht sofort vollzogen werden.
>In der Regel liegt zwischen Androhung und Volziehung der Abschiebung eine
>woche. Die Zurueckschiebung kann dagegen sofort erfolgen, so dass ein
>effektiver Rechtsschutz dagegen nicht moeglich ist.
>
Das unheimlich grosse Ausmass der Abschiebungen kann man daran sehen, dass
die Abschiebung von 100 Roma letzte Woche noch eine Meldung in den
Nachrichten wert war.

alex

-- 
        Alexander Rossner                      ros@rossi.han.de   

Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Subject: De.markt--Auskunft bitte
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:58:56 GMT

I notice from one of the news group listings that there
is a news group called de.markt.  We don't get any of
the de news groups here unfortunately.  Would anyone
be familiar with this news group and if so would they
recommend we try to get it added here?  If possible,
I would certainly appreciate it if someone could forward
me an example of it!  Would there be any other important
de newsgroups that we should be aware of?  Vielen Dank,

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: kai@meaddata.com (Kai Rudloff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: How racit are the germans?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 17:16:13 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: saddle.meaddata.com
Keywords: neo-nazis, hate crimes, violence etc

In article <1992Dec15.211111.343@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, dsza@elm.lle.rochester.edu (Tony De Souza) writes:
|> As a young guy just starting out (I recently graduated from the University
|> of Rochester in Rochester, NY) I had the opportunity to work in Germany for
|> Diamler Benz.  I have always had outstanding academic credentials, and would
|> have loved to do so, except for one thing.  I am black.  Recent events in
|> Germany (or not so recent upon reflection) have made me never want to visit 
|> a country I once admired, and further more I go out of my way to not buy 
|> German these days, yet I cannot help but feel that racism itself is not THAT
|> widespread, but I really would like to hear more from other people on the 
|> net.
|> 
|> Tony DeSouza                                                           \ | /

I'd say that some of the comments above makes you a racist yourself. By
your actions (actually inactions), it seems as though you've changed
your mind about the Germans and labeled them all as racists. Since
you've concluded that they are racists you've decided to discriminate
against the whole race, and not the actual people who cause the
problem. I'm white and have been subjected to anti-white/western
violence by some Arabs, but I don't hold that against the whole race of
people, only those who have caused me the suffering.

-- 
Kai Rudloff                            Delivery Application Engineering
kai@meaddata.com                                      Mead Data Central
...!uunet!meaddata!kai                                     Dayton, Ohio
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel)
Subject: Re: Looking of Soviet-East, German surplus
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:07:59 GMT

lenivch@maclaurin.mit.edu (Witold Biedrzycki) writes:

>In article <1gie4vINNgrn@uwm.edu> craiga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Craig R Albrechtson) writes:
>>
>>Hello there,
>>
>>Let me explain in brief what this post is about.  Since the cold war
>>has ended I have taken an interest in collecting various Warsaw pact 
>>Uniforms, pins patches.

>And if it were 1948 now, would you consider collecting Nazi paraphernalia?

But of course! Good supply, low prices, few others competing.

Oh...I see, you are trying to make an ethical point. In that case, on what
ethical grounds can the collection of memorabilia of an admittedly hated
and repressive regime be condemned, and, if rightfully so, after what interval
of time does the haze of history and the healing of wounds make it permissible
to do so?

Regards,
       H. Biesel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: ramin@IASTATE.EDU ()
Subject: Frohe Weihnachten
Keywords: X-MAS
Reply-To: ramin@IASTATE.EDU ()
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:15:53 GMT


   Frohe Weihnachten und einen guten Rutsch

    Thomas
From: mrbulli@btoy1.UUCP (Mr. Bulli (private account))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Neues Asylrecht in aller Kuerze
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:25:32 GMT
Reply-To: mrbulli%btoy1.uucp@ee.rochester.edu
Organization: Private UUCP site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Werner Icking (icking@gmd.de) wrote:
: Politisch verfolgte Fallschirmspringer geniessen Asyl.

: (aus dem heutigen Koelner Stadtanzeiger - Leserbrief?)
: --
: Werner Icking        Werner.Icking@gmd.de        (+49 2241) 14-2443     __o
: GMD - Gesellschaft fuer Mathematik und Datenverarbeitung mbH          _`\<,_
: Schloss Birlinghoven, P.O.Box 1316, D-5205 Sankt Augustin, Germany   (_)/ (_)
:                              "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod." ~~~~~~~~~~~

Bedeutet das, dass Fallschirmspringer mehr Chancen haben (z.B. ehemalige 
Elitetruppen von Noriega und anderen)?
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From: smuench@i61s4.ira.uka.de (Stefan Muench)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Noch 'ne Lichterkette (War: Lichterkette - Korrektur)
Date: 16 Dec 1992 14:59:40 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Institute for Real-time Computer Systems and Robotics (IPR), Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: i61s4.ira.uka.de

In Stuttgart auch?

In Karlsruhe von 17.00 - 17.30 Uhr (Sonntag, 20.12.).
Zwischen Durlacher Tor und Muehlburger Tor.
Bitte Lichter (Kerzen, Lampen usw.) mitbringen und alle aus der Umgebung 
informieren, die keine News lesen koennen.
-- 


Stefan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:26:07 EST
From: <ROS100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject:    Re:Welche Sprache(n) sollen wir gebrauchen

<Most of the following are used throughout the South, including
<Austria
<-ma at the end of a word means "wir" -dasamma = da sind wir =
<here we are
<-an o-umlaut turns to a-umlaut bl"ad = bloed = silly (sounds
<like "blade" in English
<-ei tends to become eu, i' weus net = ich weiss nicht= i don't
<know

For an American you know quite a lot about southern german dialects, however, i
n the region where I am from (suedliche Oberpfalz-noerdliches Oberbayern) the d
ialectic form of "Ich weiss nicht" is commonly written as "I wois net".

R. Strobl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger)
Subject: Action Courage [in English]
Organization: large
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:00:34 GMT

Text of a pamphlet passed out at a Saarbruecken University party:

Protect people - help out!

                        Action Courage

Because the attacks against foreigners are not ending, not only government
agencies but every single one of us is called upon to act!

Action Courage makes it possible!

Since December 1, 1992 (date of founding), you have the possibility by
wearing this button around to show your solidarity with our foreign
fellow citizens:
- oppose xenophobic statements
- protect threatened foreigners
- get help in conlict situations

At the same time it shows the foreigners who live with us that we will not
acquiesce to the threat against our constitutional state.

Action Courage is a nationwide, nonpartisan operation which was created
only a short time ago and therefore might well be quite unknown.

The Action is supported nationwide by the Jungen Union, the Jusos, and
the Greens, as well as by churches, unions, and 20 other organizations.

Information:
 Aktion Courage
 Stralsunder Weg 50
 5300 Bonn 1
 Tel. 0228/664442

viSdP: Chr. Osterode, C. Jacobs.

[Original German verion posted by
Lothar Fritsch, Student der Universitaet des Saarlandes, Fachb. Informatik
Fachschaftsrat & Fachbereichsrat Informatik. Tel. 0681-302 4389]


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