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Subject: Re: Bob Dylan's "Slow Train Coming"
From: comjohn@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Mr. John T Jensen)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:51:18 GMT
 <1992Nov23.012719.18138@sei.cmu.edu> <1992Nov23.181729.20408@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

I think the situation with Dylan is simple, but sad.  He converted --- then
left.  I continue to pray for him, but am cautious about promoting his
Christian record, because of what came after.  He betrayed his acknowledged
Lord and if he won't repent, is worthy of a greater judgement than one who
never knew.  I was so glad when his Christian record came out --- and so sad
when he failed to follow up on it.  I pray that he will return before it is
too late.  I suspect that for Dylan the temptation to follow the world will
always be too great and that if he returns to Christ he will have to abandon
being a music star.  But I don't think it's necessary to try to read
insincerity or heresy into the album.  At some points its thinking is a bit
muddled --- but then about which of us could that not be said?  But it seems
to me a wholehearted and wonderful expression of the Christian faith.  I
loved the animals song.  It was indeed darkly allusive to Satan, mourning
Adam and Eve's following of 'the snake.'  Why should it not have been?

jj

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From: sbradley@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Scott B Bradley)
Subject: Re: Music is a TOOL (was Re: What to do when your....)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 21:04:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.184756.13628@rchland.ibm.com> dharker@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>
stuff deleted that Russ wrote in response to Dave and I wrote in response
to the two.
>
Dave writes:
>Russ, well, your quote of my earlier post is basically accurate, but I don't
>recall actually using the word 'tool'.   
>
>Scott, if I did, I was not reducing music to a tool, 
>but saying it is often _used_ as one, for both good and bad purposes.
>I play guitar and piano, and sing, and definately agree that these 
>are purely artistic activities.
>
>
>Dave Harker
>
>IBM - Rochester, MN
>AS/400 Order Process Software Development
>
>Internet:   dharker@vnet.ibm.com
>
>(507) 286-4565
>
First of all, this is not a personal attack on Russ or Dave.  In fact,
their responses have shown me that I didn't quite get the full drift of
what they were saying.  I understand that music is a tool in as far
as any form of ART is a tool.  That is to say that music is a means
of expression, and like Dave said, that expression can be good or bad.
The problem I have is that many Christians get into this thinking that
music is only good for worshiping and witnessing.  I don't agree with
this this concept, but that is not to say that I don't think music
should never be used for such endeavors.  Sorry about any 
misinterpretations about what either of you had to say.


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From: adgoetz@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Andrew David Goetz)
Subject: Pad Thai
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: One Bad Pig
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:30:33 GMT

Anyone out there have any idea what the words Pad Thai mean?  This 
is a song by One Bad Pig, and I am extremely interested in what 
this means.  The whole song goes as such:

When my brain starts to fry...
it time to go and get Pad Thai
Pad Thai
Pad Thai
Pad Thai 

I origonatly thought it may be Greek, but I'm not sure.  Thanks alot!!!


"Sometimes I thank G-d/for unanswered prayer."
				-- Garth Brooks

adg
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Subject: Sunday School Christmas Concert lighting help
From: henk@nuts.almanac.bc.ca (Henk van de Graaf)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 07:05:31 -0800
Organization: Nuts and Bolts, Crofton BC

Sorry if this is off the main agenda!

We are having our Christmas concert in three week and are in need of some
lighting equipment. Does anyone have some simple plans for spot lights
and flood lights that would be easy to make?

Thank you!

-- 
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From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:25:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Nov15.144513.16@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>
>> (Which brings up a good point, did Christ give any of the apostles 
>> a good "reason" to follow Him?  To be "fishers of men?".  No, He 
>> basically said, "hey, I'm going to lead you guys out of sin, follow 
>> me."  Christ's message has always been simple and uncluttered, I 
>> see no reason to break a model that works.)
>
>that was for -one- set of disciples. there were all different 
>personality types among his followers. and he used the appropriate 
>approach for each. can you do as well?

It appears Jesus used several approaches in getting followers. Just
looking at John 1...

Andrew and another heard John the Baptist say "Look, the Lamb of God!". 
When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus....Andrew
found his brother Simon and told him, "We have found the Messiah" and he
brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said "You are Simon Son
of John. You will be called Cephas" (which, when translated, is Peter).
The next day Jesus decided to leave for Galilee. Finding Philip, he said
to him, "Follow me."  
Philip, like Andrew and Peter, was from the town of Bethsaida. Philip
found Nathanael and told him, "We have found the one Moses wrote about
in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote-Jesus of Nazareth,
the son of Joseph."
"Nazareth! Can anything good come from there?" Nathanael asked.
"Come and see", said Philip.
When Jesus saw Nathanael...he said of him, "Here is a true Israelite,
in whom there is nothing false."
"How do you know me?" Nathanael asked.
Jesus answered, "I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before
Philip called you."
Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the 
King of Israel." 

And in John 4, where Jesus first declared who he was, he spent time
explaining things in terms which not only humans could understand, but
also tailored to the Samaritan woman to which he is speaking. I love 
the last verse:  The woman said, "I know that Messiah is coming. When
he comes, he will explain everthing to us." Then Jesus declared, "I
who speak to you am he."

-jen
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From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:00:38 GMT

In article <13NOV199209250322@elroy.uh.edu> math1rb@elroy.uh.edu (92F07486) writes:
>  One thing I don't understand is how a band like Galactic Cowboys is allright
>on here, even though the word "God" is not mentioned once in the lyrics. And
>has lyrics like" we're not amused by all the blood upon your floor" or
>"my hammer carries a lot of clout. Blood doesn't bother me anymore."
>Their lyrics and along with alot King's X stuff talks about "real" life.
>So my proposal is then to take King's X, Galactic Cowboys, and King's X off
>of this group, because after all they consider them selves to be
>christians who play music, not christian music.  

Oh spare me.  If I weren't quite so Christian, I might say "advanced music
for advanced minds".  But I am, and so I won't.

:^)  for the humor impaired - and you know who you are.

			--Michael

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From: sysop@narnia.UUCP (Jim Vestal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Kerry Livgren & Kansas (was Re: Rachel,Rachel)
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:50:37
Distribution: world
Organization: Narnia BBS


> Well I can't comment on the first, and I am worried to comment on the second
> after my track-record with Kansas so far in this newsgroup ;-)  But:
> 
> I believe Jon and Dino (actually just one of them, the other wrote songs
> for, but was not *in* Kansas) were with Kansas for 2 albums:  Vinyl Confession
> s
> and Drastic Measures.
> 
> Those also were Kerry's last 2 Kansas albums.
> 
> Until this week that is ;-)
> I was at Target, and saw a new Kansas album, called: Kansas: Live at The Whisk
> ey.
> With special appearances by Kerry Livgren.
> 
> No I haven't heard it, and am curious if it would be worth my while to pick up
> .
> Anybody got any info, opinions, rumors, facts? ;-)
I saw Kansas at a small concert last year... I was pleased with the music
talent they posessed (most of their songs were hits from their early albums),
but was not pleased with the "party" attitude they imployed.  The concert
was held at the Holiday Inn and they served drinks... Steve Welsh was the
lead singer and he was buzzed during the whole concert.  The drummer (I
think) was a chain smoker and must have smoked a pack of cigarettes while he
played.  This is really strange since the room was a non-smoking room....

Kerry was not with the band, though about that time I read in CCM that he was
in the studio during some work with Kansas so I'm not suprised.

Vinal Confesions and Drastic Measures are my 2 favorite Kansas albums.  THe
Christian lyrics in both of them are so awesome!  

I like Kerry with the group AD and his early solo releases.... I would hope
that AD gets back together again... it probably won't happen but I'm still
hopeing.

Jim
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From: urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian Music Business
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:41:56 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Nov20.183220.20742@umbc3.umbc.edu>, haddaway@umbc5.umbc.edu (Mr. Todd Haddaway; ADMIN-COMP) writes:
> Is anyone out there in netland part of the Christian music industry in
> Nashville?  Work for a Christian company in Nashville?  Live around
> Nashville?...
> 
> Just wondering...
> 
> - Todd
> 
> 
Just exactly HOW near to Nashville do you want? I go to school in Memphis, but
I live in Paris, which is about 2 hours from Nashville. For the record, I have
nothing to do with the industry.
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From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Re: "We Will Stand" stolen by Clinton
Summary: just skip this
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:25:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.18NOV199220250249
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

(Dennis Swanson) writes...
>>The point is the Bible was mocked so Republican Christians could be mocked.
>>This is blatently wrong, and so far noone has justified (and never will) the
>>Word slicing that was done to the Bible. 
> 
>Exactly.

I disagree, in a way. I've already written about 100 lines of reply to this,
but it always came out having jokes in it or not quite saying things exactly
as I'd like to say them. So I've deleted it all. 

As a summary without anything in the middle, let me say that I agree with you
in that I doubt that what happened will ever be justified to those of you that
thought it was wrong. I don't agree that what happened was wrong, however.

Sorry I couldn't elaborate more at this time. Hopefully, someone with a
better ability of expressing themselves will do so. Not that it will change
anything, anyway.


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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Mark Heard
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:17:02 GMT

  I just picked up Mark Heard's "Dry Bones Dance" CD this
week end. It's quite a piece of work! I also listened to
the demo tape of "Satellite Sky" which also had a great 
sound. I would characterize "Dry Bones" as a mix of good ol'
acoustic rock/folk and cajun styles. The couple of songs
I listened to on "Satellite" were more electrical and modern
sounding. Does anyone have an evaluation of all of Mark's
albums? I'd like to know what styles his various projects
have had.

thanks and Go with God,
-- Tim
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From: gjkirk@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Gerald Kirk)
Subject: Pray For Rain and Hokus Pick M
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:37:11 GMT

    I just bought the Pray For Rain CD after reading all of the rave reviews in this newsgroup and I'm really impressed!  They have a wide variety of sounds including awesome base guitar.  The songs were written by the band and they managed to write some thought-provoking and inspiring material.

    The band members are young and their youthful energy reflects in their music. Pray For Rain will put a smile on your face and a hop in your step! 

    They remind me a lot of Hokus Pick Manouver, an amazing band from Vancouver, BC Canada.  These guys are young too (under 30) and have enormous energy.  I saw them in concert in September and they had the whole place jumping (I found out later that fans in front of the stage caused damage to the ceiling of the room one floor down!).  They too, know how to write great lyrics and by far have the most fun of any band I've seen.  They just started an American tour and I believe they are in California right 




now.  Help support these up and coming guys and I guarantee you won't be disappointed!

    If anyone needs concert information, let me know.

    So does anyone else have thoughts on these two groups?


Gerald Kirk
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: Re: what is going on?
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:12:22 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <Bxu9yJ.IAJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cb23209@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher Buchholz ) writes:
>why don't any of my posts ever show up!!!!!!!!???????
>
>just wait, this one will and everyone will think i'm crazy..

Yep, you're crazy! ;-)

Tom (moeller@convex.com)
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From: loganm@ecf.toronto.edu (LOGAN MARK S)
Subject: Re: Anyone Heard New Whitecross
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:24:42 GMT

In article <nestabro.721934961@nova> nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes:
>superc@topper.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase) writes:
>
>> So, has anyone heard songs from the new Whitecross album. On the Christian metal program on the university radio station last night, I heard the guy announcing titles of songs he just played and one of them was 'from the new whitecross'. If anyone has it, let me know how it stands up to their previous stuff, please.
>
>BTW, has anybody seen Whitecross on the High Gear tour yet?  I'm going to 
>see them in Detroit on December 4th.  They have an opening band and will
>apparently have a laser show along with them.  Anyone seen it?
>
>
I just saw Whitecross last Friday night in Barrie, Ontario.  We had to wait for
about 45 min. outside in the cold (and snow), before they let us in, but it was
worth the wait.
  
There were two opening acts, the first was a group from Barrie called Messiah's
Light (or something like that).  They were alright, but you couldn't understand
any of the lyrics.  The next act was a guy who works with Darrel Mansfield.  He
was a blues type singer.  He was very good, but it wasn't really appropriate 
before a Whitecross concert.

Anyway, the Whitecross show was awesome.  It was definitely the best show that
I have seen.  The lighting was fantastic and the group was amazing.  This was
still really the In the Kingdom tour, but they played 3 or 4 songs from their
new album.  If these songs were any indication of what the new album is like,
BUY IT NOW!!!!!  I would have it already but they only had tape copies at the
concert, and I wanted the CD.

If you like Whitecross, go to this concert, you will love it.

Mark


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From: toney_cd@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Hello!
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:40:01 EST
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC

     Well why is no one using this newsgroup. I love southern gospel and 
hymnal music, and contemporary music. My most favorite groups are:
The Inspirations, The Florida Boys, Sandi Patti, Petra, Steven Curtis Chapman,
 Michael W. Smith. 
     I would love to hear from anybody.
                                                 In his service,
                     Dale Toney@alice.lrc.edu
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Subject: Re: need some advice/help/whatever you want to call it..
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:59:41 EST
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esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer) writes:
> 
> I need some advice here, no doubt..
> 
> I know I need to listen to music that is geared toward God and all,
> but I need to know what you guys/gals out there think about secular 
> music?? I know I wouldn't listen to Metallica and all those metal 
> groups(secular), and a lot of hard rock, but about secular music in 
> detail??
  ^^^^^^
you mean "secular music in general"? (i can't seem to make this make
sense otherwise.

> I have a bunch of secular CDs I am thinking about maybe 
> trying to sell, but I have been praying about this and all but feel 
> I need somemore help here before truly knowing what to do.......

i think it's important to consider what effect they have on you. what
kind of memories and emotions do you associate with those songs? are
they causing you to stumble? if so, it would probably be better to get
rid of them, or pack them in a box for a few years. perhaps later you'll
be able to listen to them & look back on your past with some additional
insight. sometimes old music can be a powerful record (pardon the pun)
of where we've been. sometimes our past isn't so nice, and we'd like
to completely disassociate ourselves from it. other times there's value
in remembering.

example:
	i bought and listened to Greg X. Volz tape "The River Is 
	Rising" about the time i was going through some really 
	traumatic & depressing times. about a year later i gave it away 
	because merely listening to it would drag my mind back to those 
	times. it's an uplifting, -Christian- album, and quite good. but 
	the atmosphere it was associated with wasn't very good. so i 
	gave it away. now, about 4 years later, many of the issues i 
	was struggling with have been resolved, and i wouldn't mind 
	hearing it again. it would be a powerful reminder of where God 
	has brought me.

the same goes for "secular" music. i have a few CDs that i'm sure several
people in this group would shudder at. but that music was instrumental in
challenging my faith, and the process of making it stronger. now i listen
to it and even sing along, while saying "that's wrong...and so is that...
God isn't like that...but this is the way it -should- be." it affirms
the decisions i've made, because of the way i think about the music.

i hope this helps, and i pray you will be able to make wise decisions.

jason

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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Becker
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:29:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Anyone familiar with Margaret Becker?  I saw a CD of hers the other day,
which was produced and arranged by Charlie Peacock.  I've heard of him but
not her.  What's she like?


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