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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
Subject: Re: No Response to English Articles? [English]
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:04:59 GMT
Followup-To: fj.misc
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

kono@csl.sony.co.jp (Shinji Kono) writes:

[* other stuff omitted to keep this article short *]

>What we really need now is an existential proof of
>fj.life.in-japan rather than defensive debate. Here are several
>possible proofs.

>  a) Sufficient users (Yes, we see many foreign posters in fj/japan)
>  b) Clear demand (Yes, we see many example postings)
>  c) Category accepted by fj users (Yes, we see many support posts)

>Yes, I think all three points are satisfied, but some others aren't.
>But if many of us agree with me, it is sufficient to create
>fj.life.in-japan. I think now the time for vote.  If sufficient
>potential users think fj.life.in-japan is useful, it is useful.

I think so.

>>Mr. Kuno, could you summarize the important points in the discussion
>>so far? I think it would easier for everybody and make difficult to
>>have flames meaningless...

>The valid objection is coming from NG name problem.  Some people
>doesnot like fj.life.* domain in historical reason. I think it is
>historical reason because he has no alternatives anymore. We already
>tried fj.soc.*, fj.soc.lang.*, fj.living.*, that is, we finished the
>discussion on NG name.  Others offending posts are merely claiming
>about the usage of fj.life.in-japan. It can be solved by "on-the-run"
>training.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying as a lot of the discussion
was in Japanese. I think it's that all the alternative names have
been tried and in each case there is somebody who is unhappy for
one reason or the other. That is, there is no way we can keep
everybody happy....

As for "on-the-run training", what a great expression! I assume
you mean we can smooth things over once the new newsgroup is in place....

Please correct me if I misunderstood,

Dave

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Sorry, I can only understand replies in English (or a little French).
You're free to copy/quote/translate this as long as credit is given. 
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.policy
From: ogata@etl.go.jp (Ichiro Ogata)
Subject: How to select News Groups
Organization: Electrotechnical Lab.
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:19:41 GMT

In article <JIRO.92Jul23124816@parsley.math.keio.ac.jp>
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	$B!v!v!v(B Summary

How to select News Groups? 

It is true that articles should be placed in appropriate News Groups
based on a topic.

However, there are some problems peculiar to foreigners.

One example is "how to climb Mt. Fuji?". Someone may think that this
kind of article should go to fj.rec.travel.japan. Though, in my
opinion, there should be some knowhow peculiar to foreigners who have
little knowledge of Japanese.

Another example is "how to see a movie in Japan". It contains a lot of
problems peculiar to foreigners.

We can't ignore such difference. Internationalization should *not*
mean "Just Ignoring differences between language & cultures".

	--- ogata@etl.go.jp





Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
From: jiro@math.keio.ac.jp (TANAKA Jiro)
Subject: Re: Tongue-twisters: was Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Reply-To: jiro@math.keio.ac.jp
Organization: Faculty of Sci. and Tech., Keio Univ., Yokohama, Japan.
	<1992Jul22.061032.17597@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:55:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.061032.17597@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>
	kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

 :    But, excuse me, I do not think so.  Isn't this a kind of
 :S/N (signal/noise ratio) argument again?  No group with zero
 :noise are posible at all, and who determine what is a signal and
 :what is a noize?
 :
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Newsgroups: fj.misc,sci.lang.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: What is happening to fj.misc?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:52:27 GMT


What is happening to fj.misc?  Someone went and rmgroup-ed it for us
a couple of days ago.

-- 
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Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.rec.food
Subject: Shochu (Re: Pre-SakeReport) [ENGLISH]
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:40:20 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

Hi, ...
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$B$H;W$&$N$G%/%m%9%]%9%H$7$^$9$M!#(J

  (above is an explanation for cross-posting.)

I Wrote:
: Shochu in Japan
: are devided into "Kou-grade" ($B9CN`(J) and "Otsu-grade" ($B25N`(J),
: the former preserves flavors of the grains from which they are made,
: while the latter is rather close to pure alchohl, I thought. 

magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson) writes:
> Well, that's interesting. Do you have any more information about Shochu
> selection?

  Sorry, I myself do not drink shochu by itself, only chu-hai,
in which shochu flavors are not very important.  So I can't tell
you much.  But you'll find the indicaiton of the grade on the
bottles.  Look for the kanji $B9C(J or $B25!#(J

  Fj.rec.food readers might have far more detailed infomaiton.
In case of the reply in Japanese, please add explicit permission
to translate.  Thank you.
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P.S. 
:     Well, I can't guess why beers has become "de fact standard
: drinks" in Japan.  Maybe they are mass-produced and almost of
: the same quality everywhere?  (Only four majer beer brewers in
: Japan!)

> Uniformity, yes. It has the advantage and disadvantage of
> industrialized standardization of taste, as opposed to zillions of
> local breweries of sake.

  Perhaps uniformity is a good thing for most of Japanese who
only need "a symbol for drinking."  Their purpose is not beer,
but their party or en-kai ($B1c2q(J) by itself.  So the beers will
be nice because we can drink sufficient volume before we get
sleepy and the alchohl will discharge from our bodies quickly.
Just the same thing holds for chu-hai.
  But it will surely be an unfortunate to those who enjoy
various distinct flavors in his beer.  (However, I have my own
perference in Japanese beer brands of this uniformity!)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)
Subject: Re: There's-only-one-Truth-ism?
Organization: School of Info. Science, JAIST Hokuriku, Japan
	<MAGNUS.92Jul26151903@is19e0s00.jaist-east.ac.jp> <2173@aegis.or.jp>
Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:27:24 GMT

In article <2173@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

   >What we're really talking about is the much discussed 'uniformity' of
   >the Japanese people. I think the key point is that this uniformity is
   >in *behaviour*, not in *thought*. After sufficient 'nemawashi', the
   >proper 'tatemae' protocol insists on uniform outward appearance of
   >agreement of each group. The nature of this process, then also implies
   >that the differences in true opinion ('honne') are appreciated,
   >understood, and accommodated for.

   I think I understand what you're getting at but 'tatemae' and
   'honne' are both behaviors (unless you feel you can read people's
   minds :-) , so perhaps we could call them 'public behaviours' and
   'private behaviours' within relatively local groups (each of which
   claims to be "We Japanese"). 

I take 'tatemae' to be a behaviour, as it is what is actually
displayed, but 'honne' to be a feeling/belief/thoughts that are not
acted upon (except when induced by enough beers...:-).

   Sorry, but I don't understand '$@$+$C$3$$$$(J'...  especially as how I'm
   on a machine which doesn't display kanji (not that it would help :-)

That's too bad, since my experience is that the Japanese will slowly
filter in when given the opportunity. I actually wrote 'kakkoii', in
hiragana.

   My strategy for dealing with the situation is to say that IMHO the
   main event is understanding what other people say (and asking
   questions if you don't) and making sure other people understand you
   (and changing the way you say things if they don't).

I think that's a good approach to communication in any language.

Magnus
Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: yusuke@hara.cs.keio.ac.jp (Yusuke Hiwasaki)
Subject: Re: complement/compliment (was NG for gaijin topics.) (English+Kanji)
Organization: Keio University, Yokohama, Japan.
	<1992Jul14.064301.18789@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>
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	<SANTOS.92Jul15115310@melon.mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp>
	<MARKD.92Jul15103714@stallman.csl.sj.nec.com> <SANTOS. 
	<2125@aegis.or.jp>
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:41:35 GMT


Hello Dave,

>>Sure. And if Japan had one the war,...
                         ^^^
"won"??
I am sorry but I could not help :-)

I thought somebody in America was trying to introduce a new system for
spelling, to stop all the confusion of the spelling variation for the
same pronunciation. Does anybody know about that?
(I myself is not sure wheather this newsgroup is appropriate for this
kind of topic, but this is only a follow-up.)

I am grateful for information of the spelling-mistakes or grammatical
mistakes I have made. :-)

Yusuke Hiwasaki
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From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Tongue-twisters: was Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:12:01 GMT
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	<ASAMI.92Jul22181012@pukeko.cs.Berkeley.EDU>
Followup-To: fj.misc
Distribution: fj
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.


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From: asami@cs.Berkeley.EDU (Satoshi ASAMI)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
Subject: Re: Tongue-twisters: was Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:10:12 GMT
	<JIRO.92Jul21122150@amber.math.keio.ac.jp>
Reply-To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu
Followup-To: fj.misc
Distribution: fj
Organization: CS Div., Dept. of EECS, UC Berkeley
In-reply-to: jiro@math.keio.ac.jp's message of 21 Jul 92 12:21:52 JST

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From: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson)
Subject: Re: Pre-SakeReport (Re: Some cooking Q.) [ENGLISH]
Organization: School of Info. Science, JAIST Hokuriku, Japan
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	<1992Jul22.064745.18396@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:50:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.064745.18396@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp> kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

       We can find various kind of shochu, those with distinct flavor,
   or those close to pure alchohl (again I've forgot the spelling!).

That's interesting. The problem for me to select shochu is the same
one as in selecting sake: it's too hard to read the labels...
(Excepting some brands).

       I haven't seen "Diet Sprite" around here.  Is it popula around
   your house?

I can't turn around without seeing a Coke vending machine; Diet Sprite
is in perhaps one in every three.

       No, you will experience the same in ordinary (non-international)
   sake shop around Tokyo, I guess.  We Japanese call them "Tansan-Sui"
   or "So-da Sui".

Notice that "tonic water" is quite different from plain "soda water". 
My guess is that "so-da sui" ($@%=!<%@?e(J?) is more of the latter type.

Tonic water can be obtained in most (well, many) $@<r20(J in Tokyo,
under the Canadian Dry label (and also the horrendous Suntory Tonic Water).

Magnus
From: ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Instant Foods (Re: Pre-Noodle...) [ENGLISH]
Date: 22 Jul 92 08:59:04 GMT
	<1992Jul14.063731.18709@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>
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	<1992Jul20.084920.20474@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp> <MARKD
Reply-To: ishikawa@personal-media.co.jp
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In-reply-to: markd@csl.sj.nec.com's message of 21 Jul 92 16:19:33 GMT


>>>>> On 21 Jul 92 16:19:33 GMT, markd@csl.sj.nec.com (Mark Dyer) said:
	Mark> Nntp-Posting-Host: stallman

	Mark> In article <ISHIKAWA.92Jul21195119@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp> ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa) writes:

Mark> "ready made garlic bread" is just a loaf of french bread that is split
Mark> down the middle and has a mixture of butter, garlic and maybe some
Mark> parsely for color. It isn't frozen. You buy it right next to where they
Mark> sell the regular bread.
	Thank you for the info.

Mark> I love garlic bread with pasta and wine. Something about garlic that
Mark> really enhances the flavor of wine. At least for me.
	For me, too. Ought to be red wine, I think although I can't
think of why.

Mark> If you can buy french bread, you should be able to make a good
Mark> garlic bread with out too much work. All you need is bread, butter or
Mark> margarine, garlic (freshly mashed is best, but the powdered stuff will
Mark> do) I like to add parmesan cheese. (the powdered cheese you sprinkle on
Mark> pizza and spagetti.)
	So the key was to use french bread? I should have known that.
I am not sure if I have ever had garlic bread with parmesan cheese.
I will try, and let you know abou the result.

Mark> Well, it's time for me to wipe off my keyboard, so that's all for
Mark> now! :-) :-) :-)
	Were you drooling on your keyboard :-)


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Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.rec.food
From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Subject: Re: Bread (Re: Instant Foods) [JAPANESE]+[ENGLISH]
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 07:50:59 GMT

Hi, sorry that I have faild to reply promptry.
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sakata@ciladb.ntt.jp (SAKATA Tetsuo) writes:
> Me too. And I recommend KINOKUNIYA's Rye Bread. Because, they
> have many kind of Rye bread. They have some shops in Yokohama
> ( in Sogo Department store ), Kamakura ( in front of JR Kamakura
> Station), Aoyama ( in Tokyo, but I don't know its exact Address)
> and so on.

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    Thank you.  I know KINOKUNIYA at Aoyama street very well.
By the way, I was only saying that I couldn't find nice rye
breads at the supermarkets near by --- I can't go to Aoyama
every day.  Anyway, thanks again!

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> I cross-post this article here and fj.rec.food, because this
> subject is more suitable for fj.rec.food, I think.

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Instant Foods (Re: Pre-Noodle...) [ENGLISH]
Date: 20 Jul 92 21:24:36 GMT
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Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) says:
>> Ladies my laugh when they hear about this kind of "cooking" but,
>> hey, it tastes great!

>    Well, I suspect that most kind of instant foods (I don't know if
>such words are used in U.S.) are invented in Japan.  Right?  I know
>that instant lamen and CupNoodle (TM of Nisshin-Foods co.)  are
>invented in Japan.  

I've only been in Japan since '82 so I couldn't say. But there were
many instant foods in the U.S. by the middle '60's. No lamen and
CupNoodle, or course as they are Japanese foods, but other things. 

> You have mentiond about instant tsuyu, and
>mabo-tofu.  I understand that frozen foods and canned foods (yes! I
>love Campbell soup, especially minestrone) are more popular in USA.
>Right?  

When I visit my daughter in the L.A. area, I'm constantly amazed
by the miles and miles of frozen and canned foods in the supermarket!

> By the way, I wish we could buy big frozen cherry pie in our
>supermarket!  (But note that I'm not at all twin-peaks fan.)

The supermarket where I live seem to be carrying an increasing number
of frozen foods. Will have to see if cherry pie is among them.

I'm not such a pie fan, but I'd sure like to see some Mexican food
in the stores here. A friend gets taco shells ('tacos' in Japanese,
but 'taco' in Engish) from some place in Kyoto, but they are a bit
stale and not at all like the freshly made thing. L.A. has lots
of people of Mexican ancestry so there is all kinds of good stuff
in the supermarket where she shops. Yum :-)

Meanwhile, how about freeze-dried negi (sp?) and freeze-tried miso
shiro that's available in the local market here? I've tried both and
they taste OK. Not as good as fresh, but easy to keep.

Dave

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