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From: hchen@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (H. Chen)
Subject: Forwarded Question about Hongkong Employment
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:30:27 GMT

Hi, There,
 
I am forwarding the following message to this newsgroup.  Please directly 
reply to the original sender, "zsun@alexia.list.uiuc.edu", if possible.  
Thank you in advance.
 
Huijie
======
 
From:	PO1::"zsun@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu"
 
Hi everybody!  I applied for a job in Hong Kong (the Univ. of Science and
Technology).  Can anyone provide me some information regarding the following
questions?
 
1) Is it difficult to obtain HK employment visa?  How long will it take?
 
2) Is it difficult to obtain visas for family members?  Can they get work
   permission when in HK?
 
3) How to become or apply for the HK PR?
 
4) How and where to extend passport in HK?
 
Thank you in advance for sharing your information and knowledge with me!
 
Zehua Sun
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rj@Cadence.COM (Randy French)
Subject: Room for Rent in Santa Clara
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:58:51 GMT

Hello:

There would be one room, out of the two, available (on the first floor
of the two story house) in Santa Clara for rent, starting September
onwards. You would be having a small clean room with your own full bath,
and washer/dryer facility. The rent is $300 per month. The first floor
consists of:

        * Two rooms with two full bath
        * Spacious kitchen with big wooden cabinets and a dish washer
        * A separate living room
        * Spacious and separate dinning room
        * One enclosed patio, that can be used either as a guest room
          or an office, etc.
        * Big backyard and front lawn.

The house is located near 280/17 highway (about 3 miles) and very close
to San Tomas expy. I work at Quantum Corporation as a software engineer.

Please don't reply to this account as a friend of mine will post this,
however, you may call me @ (408) 894-5269 Off and (408) 985-9419 Res.

Ajay
From: jjy@WUPHYS.WUSTL.EDU (Jie Yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: ping
Date: 16 Aug 92 01:27:33 GMT

ping ping
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dyang@diana.carleton.ca (Dong Yang)
Subject: Re: Do they really worth more?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:03:50 GMT

In <zhu.713589590@menaik> zhu@cs.UAlberta.CA (Eric Y. Zhu) writes:


>Some early-released reports already show that families of 
>foreign victims of the Nanjing jetliner crash will get much 
>higher compensations than people who are mainlanders.

>I understand this has been long a ``tradition''.

>Why are foreign lives more expensive than our brothers' 
>and sisters'?
>Because they have more expensive houses in HongKong?
>or
>Because they have more expensive motor-peds in Taiwan?
>or
>Because they have more expensive basketball players in US?

>Another `Chinese and Dog'.  :-(

>--

>===
>Zhu Yuchen, Edmonton

I don't know if I have Ah. Q spirit or not.  I have tried to find some
reasons to calm the anger for several times.  I think the reasons are:

1. foreign passangers paid more than local Chinese passengers on air
tickets; so
2. foreign passengers might paid more for insurance;
3. Chinese government want to attract foreign investment so paying more
compensation could let foreigners keep foreigners to risk their lives
to come to China ( which is a kind of stratigy similarly like Japan
sending prostitutes abroad to earn foreign exchanges in the early of 
this century).

D. Yang
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:18:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug19.191851.6809
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <1992Aug18.215440.2930@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>  
89p2820@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.182318.14736@news.acns.nwu.edu>,  
usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> > In article <Aug.16.22.13.03.1992.5167@sol.rutgers.edu> lixj@sol.rutgers.edu  
> > (Xiao-jian Li) writes:
> >> [garbage deleted]
> > I dodn't think Vietnam started the war. The reason why Vietnam was hit is  
because  
> > Vietnam is weaker than China. So, do we need to give Vietnamese people an  
> > apology to save their faces?
> > 
> > Carl
> 
> You are wrong! The war between Vietnam and China is totally a different  
issure.
> That was caused by long time border dispute. There are lot of conflict before
> hand and it is very hard to say who initiale the war. But Japan invaded China
> without any excuse and reason which could be justifiable.
> 
> Yaming

Even though there were conflict and border dispute. It was China who caused the  
conflict. Vietnam was not so stupid to hit both Cambodia and China at the same  
time. So China has no excuse.


Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Subject: Re: A lie
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:13:17 GMT

In article <25652@dog.ee.lbl.gov> yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang) writes:
>
>I'm confused by this. What voting rights have existed for the average 
>citizen in the PRC, let alone the prisoners ?  I recall some publicity
>about minor elections in the mid-80's that led to Fang Lizhi's wife 
>being elected for some local position in Haidian, but outside of that
>brief experiment, I was under the impression that people in China had 
>about as much say in their rulers as they do about the weather. Please 
>clarify for me the voting process in China if I've been seriously 
>misinformed.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Joe Huang
> 

Normal people in China only have voting rights to elect their
community representatives. These representatives can only have
right to be in city congress. National representatives  are 
generated from community representatives.

Basically such process fits the situation in China. China cannot
afford an election like U.S. The quality of community representatives
is big question. Voters barely know their candidates who normally
are chosen by the CCP.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dstone@stats2.ics.Hawaii.Edu (David Stone)
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:59:28 GMT


> in the world affairs. With long-term experience on diplomacy, he knows
> how to deal games with foreign countries including China. Frankly speaking,

And Mr. President has a few games of his own.
Weapons for IRAQ, IRAN-CONTRA, secretly sending top level officials to China
after he just banned top level exchange with China after 6/4/92.

> he is friendly to China. After proclaiming to "clean" House (Capitol) on his
> next term, Bush could carry out his plans. And US would increase rapidiy,
> 5% or 10% ? who knows! Well, should Americans bet all their properties on
> Clinton ?  Not good deal. His blueprint plans sound good, but who can sure
> what the result is, not to mention his hardly experience on foreign relations.

We know the result of President Bush's "blueprint", or do we not?!  Since Bush
is so experienced in foreign affairs, may be he should be the predident of U.N..

> Bush at least could blame Capitol for every fault. I wonder who could be 
> accused by Clinton in the future, Japan, Taiwan? Maybe China too.
>
> cqu

If a chief executive of a company cannot run his/her company well, he/she would fire
all employees, I guess.  

Leadership is something that president Bush lacks of.  


DS
From: yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A lie
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:56:25 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <1992Aug21.020832.27180@athena.mit.edu> zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu) writes:
>In article <92233.115932PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>, <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>|> In article <790600194@gn.apc.org>, Tibet-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us says:
>|> >"For example, the Chinese Government says that prisoners have the
>|> >right to vote, but the funny thing is I never voted in the 19
>|> >years I was prison, and I don't know of any other prisoners who
>|> >were able to," said Mr Wu.
>|> >
>This jerk Wu just lied again.  By China's law, prisoners have NO right to
>vote during their prison time. Simple like that.  
>
>This jerk Wu should be put into prison once again for his illegal, shameless
>(also stupid) lies and action in China.

 Hui Zhu was right in part.  But some prisoners DO have the right to vote
if they were not deprived of the "political rights" in the sentence.  In
most cases, the prisoners were deprived of the rights for some period of
time.  Considering the fact that WU served in the jail for 19 years, he/she
must surely be deprived of ALL political rights ALL the time in jail, 
including the right to vote.  It was also reseanable to assume that prisoners
around him/her got severe sentences too and thus be deprived of the right
to vote.
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: GNP of China
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:29:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

According to the journal of the China Quarterly (No.125, University of
London (UK), 1991), the GNP of China in 1990 was in the 9th position after 
the USA, Soviet Union, Japan, Germany, France, Italy, Britain and Canada.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi)
Subject: Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton?  Which is better for China?
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:03:27 GMT

In article <BtCn5H.FKK@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>/* From the keyboard of ylq@lems23lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen) */:
>:
>:At least fewer people will end up behind bars, because of their views. 
> 
>Please use 'less people' instead of 'fewer people'. 
>Use 'less' with something uncountable and 'few' something countable. 
>e.g. 'Fewer cars, less trafic'. 
>
>-- 
>xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu | Subscribe Chinese Poem Exchange and Discussion List 
>mail LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET with "SUB CHPOEM-L 1st LastName" in the MESSAGE BODY
>InterNet Address: UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU | Posting in UUENCODED GB and BIG5

But I think "people" is the pl. form of person. It is countable, two people
three people, etc. So I think fewer people is correct.

A famous error in many supermarkets: Express Lane for ten items or less.
                                                                   ^^^^
Should be fewer.
          ^^^^^

Sheldon

Today's Quote: If they are moderate, I'm a world-champion speller.
                                              --Dan Quayle
From: zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: A lie
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:08:32 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <92233.115932PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>, <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> In article <790600194@gn.apc.org>, Tibet-Relay@gnosys.svle.ma.us says:
|> >Speaking from Geneva, Mr. Wu noted that Beijing's claim that
|> >"For example, the Chinese Government says that prisoners have the
|> >right to vote, but the funny thing is I never voted in the 19
|> >years I was prison, and I don't know of any other prisoners who
|> >were able to," said Mr Wu.
|> >


This jerk Wu just lied again.  By China's law, prisoners have NO right to
vote during their prison time. Simple like that.  

This jerk Wu should be put into prison once again for his illegal, shameless
(also stupid) lies and action in China.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dickhoff@NERO.WUSTL.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: numeric way of recording music (Re: The Chinese way...)
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:55:12 GMT



In article <1992Aug15.213600.17080@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>
>The numeric way is good for reading, but the five-line way (staff) is
>developed from playing instruments especially with keyboards. I was told
>that the Japanese also uses this system to teach children too. And I
>always wonder whether this system is really originated by chinese. Because
>it looks so intuitive and I see no reason why only we chinese can create it.
>Anybody know?
>

French philosopher, writer and musician Jean Jacques Rousseau (1712- 17??)
invented this method.  Jean Rousseau was the author of "Confession".  

---------------

T.T.Wu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.usa
From: edso@watson.ibm.com (Edward So)
Subject: Re: GNP by purchasing power
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:45:27 GMT
Reply-To: edso@watson.ibm.com		
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <9223215.15570@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
|> <ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu> carelessly writes:
|> by HongKongese, and Japs, and Singaporeans/Australians; the Americans
|> would be somewhere inbetween Japs and Sing/Aus.

Over here where I live, Japs is not an abbreviation for Japanese.

-- 
Edward So,  Computing Systems, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
IBM VNET: EDSO at WATSON       Internet: edso@watson.ibm.com
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:03:30 -0400 
From: Zheng Wang <zw10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Protection bill
	<1992Aug20.184452.5808@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

>>Is it possible to ask the Congress to remove the date 1990 also and
change into
all Chinese nationals in US or in China or else where in the world included in 
the bill since China is not a safe country to stay and anyone who can sneak
away from CHina, the congressmen would send some boats or planes to pick them
up or they would be persecuted. <<

you talked about this shit too much.

BTW, this is not my account. So, no flame pls.
From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China education
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:20:42 GMT
Organization: Boston University Space Physics
In-reply-to: yong@minster.york.ac.uk's message of 17 Aug 92 15:09:32 GMT

In article <714064172.6969@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
    ...

>   China Education
    ...

>   2. According to the journal of The China Quaterly (No.125, 
>   pp.137-155, 1991), the salary scale of China university faculty
>   in 1987 was as follows.

>   Assisant Lecturer	US$240 - 252 per year
>   Lecturer		US$312 - 348 per year
>   Associate Professor	US$420 - 480 per year
>   Full Professor		US$516 - 600 per year
    ...

Let me add some more:

    3. According to my experience (over 20 years staying in China),
    major expenses for most residents of major Chinese cities and
    unemployment rate were as follows.

    Rent		US$10 - 12 /year ( > 2-bedroom apt) 
    Medical Care	US$8  /year
    Tuition		US$0 - 10 /year   (preschool - college)
    Unemployment rate   0.000000001%      (After being hired)
    ...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan
From: wohfuchi@splash.Princeton.EDU (Wataru Ohfuchi)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:18:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.173457.28945@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>wohfuchi@splash.princeton.edu writes:
>>>...I feel guilty everytime I
>>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>see flaming posting on Japan's responsiblility for WWII since apparently
>>>it is caused partially by the anger and the frustration toward the
>>>government.
...
>I don't think you should feel guilty for what the other people had done.
>It is those big liars that shpuld be blamed.

  Yeah, those idiot flamers who are very quick in hitting the "F" key
and typing without thinking, and extremely good at twisting what others
really wrote, making up imaginary stories, losing temper at their
faincies and ignoring sincere posting.

  ...8^) OK, OK, SOME of Japanese, too. OK?
...Wataru
-- 
  ...Wataru Ohfuchi
     Program in Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, Princeton University
     w1o@gfdl.gov _or_ wohfuchi@splash.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Who look down chinese most?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:01:52 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

ed@introl.introl.com (Ed Zhong) writes:

>Wrong logic here.

>Tell me what's gonna happen if there were 9 Chinese and one POOR
>black person on the table?

Which depends on what Chinese you are talking, if they are student from
mainland, they probably would all talk to him. Because, they are not rich
than this mister America. And they have a story in mind that who made him poor,
they want to confirm it.

>The Key word here is POOR/RICH. Too bad, it is human nature.

Uncivilized human nature. If you think it is bad, then what is wrong with it?

>--ed

>-- 
>-------------			-----------------
>||	Ed Zhong 		||	I make my money work for me.
>||	ed@introl.com		||	I work to make my money work for me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu)
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:54:38 GMT

>>In article <BtCHKA.6C3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>>>
>>>Throughout my life and throughout the lives of my parents and
>>>ancestors, we have never experienced that small little thing
>>>called "vote" in China, a small little thing that has been
>>>used to by Americans.

Never experienced? That's absolutely not true. You might have forgot
your high school years. I still remember we elected our class cadres
every school year. I can probably say those were the most democratic
activities I experienced in China. In colleges, things may change.
I remember once we voted for our class cadres and there was one 
position undecided because neither of the candidates could get 
majority of the votes. It repeated several times. Then  
our department party secretary went into the classroom and said
that  for those who wanted to vote Mr. xx (the party secretary liked the
most), you might raise your hands now. I was surprised that everybody,
including myself, raised their hands. Finally, this xx guy got 100%
of the votes.

Z. Liu







Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wchen@top.cis.syr.edu (Wayne W Chen)
Subject: Re: The Origin of Last Names
Organization: Syracuse University CIS Dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 05:25:45 EDT

In article <1992Aug12.215925.13653@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone here know where did the following last names origin is?
|> 
|> - Wu
|> - Chan
|> - Cheng
|> - Chen
|> - Rajic
|> 
I think the Chen's oringinated at HuNan when there was an kindom called
Chen.  Chan is really another way to spell the Chen in HK. 

--Wen
From: jzhu@sunfish.syr.EDU (Jianxiong Zhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Protection bill
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:02:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Originator: jzhu@sunfish.syr.EDU


  In the current version of the Chinese protection bill, it says that if 
somebody stayed in China for more than 90 days after Aprile 11, 1990
then he will no be covered by the bill.  I went back to China in the Summer
of 1990 for about a hundred days.  I also know a couple of friends of mine
here at Syracuse went back to China for more than 90 days after April 11, 1990.
I am curious to know how many people have the similare sitution like us and 
would like to discuss what kind of action we should taken in order to be 
protected.  If your situation is the same as ours, please give me a reply.
We should report our situation to IFCSS.

-Jianxiong Zhu
Syracuse University
From: 54yang@cuavax.dnet.cua.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Origin of Last Names
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:02:36 GMT
Organization: The Catholic University of America

In article <1992Aug12.215925.13653@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, aa727@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Johnny Wu) writes:
> 
> Does anyone here know where did the following last names origin is?
> 
> - Wu
 
Do you mean wu2 (mouth & sky), wu1 (as the volley ball player Wu Dan),
or wu3 (person & five), or else?

> - Chan

???? Chan2-yu2 ???

> - Cheng
> - Chen
> - Rajic

A Chinese name?
From: alee@iftccu.boeing.com (Alexander Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: China Stock Market Riot.
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:20:12 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group


This riot proves again how serious the paradox of Chinese mentality
in China:

Those potential Chinese investors have every reason (and rights) to be
angry and to demonstrate their furor. But, at the same time, they also
have every responsibility and obligation to keep public law and order.
They don't realize that by violent riot, they only destroy the very
environment which guarantee their investment in stock market: social
stability.

It is as stupid as African Americans, instead going to Sesimi (sp?) valey
to burn it out in protest, burned out their own neighborhood!

Now  I start to understand why Chinese Government had to crush student riot
in TAM in 1989.

Is it true that Chinese only understand their "rights", but NOT their
responsibilities and obligations?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan