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From: ted@zeus.ocs.com (Ted Scott)
Subject: Re: Choking - What to do?
Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.  Germantown, Md., 20874
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:31:54 GMT

sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
: In article <BtADEL.44s@ocsmd.ocs.com> ted@zeus.ocs.com (Ted Scott) writes:
 < I refered to the CPR protocol BACK BLOWS as slaps, neglecting to 
        adequately explain.  >

: It's my understanding that the backslap should also never be done.
: It can move the obstruction DOWN rather than UP.  With little ones,
Yes if the head is higher than the rest of the body, this is true. I 
yield to Evelyn Lorenzo who is the CPR Instructor (while I am a mere EMT
that prefers the trauma calls):

> There is a sequence
>of actions you should take if you have a choking infant.  For the infant, 
>(up to 12 months of age), the sequence does include "back blows" and "chest
>thrusts," which are the pushes you are talking about.  However, since this is 
>a motor skill and it requires that you actually do the "hands-on", there's 
>no way it can be taught effectively and accurately except in person.  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is what my wimpy PLEASE take a CPR class really meant!   

>PLEASE NOTE THAT DOING THESE ACTIONS INCORRECTLY CAN RESULT IN 
>SEVERE DAMAGE AND BODILY INJURY.  

Shoulda said that too! :-( Thanks Evelyn!

And then Judy Drake Mentioned:
<me>        manuver (for adults and larger Kids ~100lbs &^). 
:Is this true, or won't it work unless your one-year-old weighs
:100 lbs.?  Any CPR instructors out there care to clear this up?

Thanks for pointing that out Judy, *my* understanding is that
there must be enough room to perform the manuver without 
severely crushing vital upper abdominal organs, primarily the
liver. I certainly don't know of any 1 yo kids that weigh 100lbs!
In the field it is a size thing and a judgment call, obviously
I was not having a good brain day yesterday. 

Picture a frying pan. "This is infant twins" ...
"This is your brain on twins"
--

-Ted Scott          
tscott@ocsmd.ocs.com           I was told that I'm a P.C. person:
(301) 601-2252                               Politically Challenged, that is.
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From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Funny card
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 18:41:52 EDT

YES!  We saw the same card!

Just the other day we were talking about when our kid is old enough (not
even being born yet) explaining to her that every Saturday morning mommy
and daddy like to have an hour to play by themselves in their room, with
not other explanation aside from the obvious "if there's an emergency, you
can knock on the door."

We figure by the time the kid's 13, she'll figure out what we've been
doing and will be too embarrassed to say anything.


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From: demartinib@cpva.saic.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  D.A.D. shirt/M.O.M. shirt
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:30:41 PST
Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./San Diego

Sorry about the empty post preceeding this.  (I'm the accountant :->)

The M.O.M. on the funny T-shirt available at the Royal Nursery stood for
Mission Of Madness, From Here To Maternity!

Brenda DeMartini
SAIC, San Diego CA
From: poon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Vivienne Poon)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:17:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Rewards (Was: Re: Mischievous Child (3 YO))
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
From: bl213@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (K. C. Kelly)
Subject: Re: Whole milk verses 2%
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:19:33 GMT


What I've learned from books and the pediatrician is the same as
most of the replies on this subject: No cow's milk until after
age 1 (cow's milk is much higher in sodium and protein than human
milk or formula, and it is more taxing on an infant's kidneys).
Whole milk until age 2, even if the child is overweight.  With the
80's and more and more people following a low-fat diet, many children
brain development suffered by being put on low-fat diets.  1% or 2%
until school age, skim milk after that.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bandor@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor)
Subject: Re: Waterbeds
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:48:28 GMT

jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus) writes:


>	1.  Did anyone out there sleep on waterbed during pregnancy and
>	    did you find this more comfortable? I guess what I'm asking is,
>	    would it be worth it to haul that thing down here? Or... maybe
>	    does it not give enough support???
>	2.  If waterbeds can be dangerous for babies, will I regret having
>	    it after the baby is born? (Keep in mind that once we get it
>	    we probably will not be moving it again - it's quite a task.)


Susan and I got a water bed between the births of our two children.
She's sure it was much more comfortable in late pregnacy, but getting
out of it was very difficult. I offered to rig up a thing with ropes
and pullies but somehow she wasn't impressed with that idea ;-)

We avoid putting babies on ours because it's harder for them to roll
over and because you'd need to put them on their back.

I'd say ... go for the bed. We love ours.

Tony
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Department of Robotics and Digital Technology, Monash University
PO Box 197, Caulfield East, Vic 3145, Australia  
Phone: +61 3 5732014  Fax: +61 3 5732345
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From: vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Plain Talk About When Your Child Starts School (LONG)
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:06:03 GMT
Reply-To: vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

I find it hard to assimilate this kind of article when my child
has been in very good quality day care since he was an infant.  In fact,
we alternate (unconsciously) between calling it school and calling
it day care when talking about it with him.

Can anyone cite any articles that take the child's experience into
account?  I believe the day that he enters kindergarten could
be a big day (altho' the current plan is to have him stay in his present
day care facility for their all day kindergarten program); but I wonder
if this day will be a bigger milestone for me or for him.

Perhaps first grade will be the bigger adjustment: bigger classes, more
structured, etc.

I'd be interested to hear the experience of other parents (& their children)
to the first day of public school, following 4-5 years of center-based
day care.  (BTW, no hurry responding.  We've got another year to prepare.)

Barbara
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shdan@tudorct.com (Dan Shimoff)
Subject: Re: D.A.D. shirt
Organization: Tudor Investment Corporation, CT
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:54:48 GMT

In article <l8kqqdINNlif@news.bbn.com> dleach@bbn.com (Deborah Leach) writes:
>
>I received a catalog in the mail yesterday which has the D.A.D. shirt that
>was discussed some time ago.  In case anyone is interested here is the
>address:
>The Lighter Side
>4514 19th St. Court East
>P.O. Box 25600
>Bradenton, FL  34206-5600
>(813) 747-2356
>
>The shirt is on page 28, #99731, Diaper T-shirt, sizes M, L and XL.  The
>price is $15.95 with packaging .95 and shipping $3.95.  I think the 
>catalog number is 392C.
>
I followed up on the Royal Nursery post of 2 weeks ago and bought a
DAD (Dads against Diapers) and a MOM (Moms on (or of?) Mission) shirt.
Haven't received them yet, but am eager to see them.

Anyway, they asked where I heard of them, being that I'm in NYC and
they're in CA, and I told them of the net and misc.kids.  They wanted
me to put up an ad for them (which I will not do), but did say that
they would give $2 off if you mentioned the net/misc.kids.
They're phone # is: (619) 450-1317.

Disclaimer: I have no interest in this store, and am doing this only as
a service to my fellow misc.kid'ers.  

-- 
Dan Shimoff           
Phone: (212) 602-6798  
Address: shdan@tudor.com
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sexton@meaddata.com (Steve Sexton)
Subject: RE: Baby Monitor Reccomendationss
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:28:23 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <BszBrD.55K@acsu.buffalo.edu>, birgenom@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (T.B. Shows/ Maureen Sion) writes:
|> I also received the Gerry and the FP monitors as gifts and decided
|> to keep the FP because of the light display.  I have been very

Our baby monitor gets  dropped on the floor every now and then by our 18 month
old who thinks it is one of his toys.  During his first year, we went through
2 Gerry models.  We returned the last Gerry one and bought the FP model
with the light display.  We have been using it for almost a year without
any problems.

-- 
Steve Sexton					PCL Systems Development
Mead Data Central				   (513) 865-6800 x4960 
P.O. Box 933					    sexton@meaddata.com    
Dayton, OH 45401			      ...!uunet!meaddata!sexton
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: kids clothes
From: prevmary@otago.ac.nz
Date: 17 Aug 92 10:22:20 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

Ive just received my first Biobottoms catalogue. What a silly name for a
catalogue!!
AnywAY it has some of the nicest clothes I've ever seen for little kids.
Unfortunately with the exchange rate being as it is I'd need to sell my house
(almost) to afford some of the clothes but they are so nice it is still
tempting!
Does anyone know if there are Biobottoms outlet stores in the US. Particularly
in Portland, Oregon or Madison, Wisconsin or Los Angeles as I have siblings in
each of those places. My sister in Portland would be the best bet to get me
things if there is an outlet store there. Ive asked her to look also but she
has only been in the Us for about 4 weeks so everything is still very new to
her. But she has already been to the Hanna Anderson outlet store sale for me.
At this rate I'll be bankrupt soon but its fun!!!
I only hope the next kids Land's End arrives soon. My husband is away at a
conference so I can drool over the catalogues to my hearts content.
Pity about the housework though!

Mary Jane
Dunedin
New Zealand
From: steve@Advansoft.COM (Steve Savitzky)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Stoppint bedtime bottle
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:38:58 GMT
Organization: Advansoft Research Corp, Santa Clara, CA

Our younger daughter [5mo] just started sleeping "through" the night
(i.e. to 6am); we usually offer her a bottle at bedtime but most of
the time she'll take one or two sips and turn away.  On the other
hand, she's *never* been on any kind of a schedule--she eats whenever
she's hungry and sleeps whenever she's sleepy.
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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 12:47:02 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: What to do with a late talker?

oops!  a VERY important postscript:

DON'T bug your kid to talk!  my m-i-l tried to encourage
katy to talk more by firing questions at her whenever she saw
her, and katy STILL won't answer direct questions from anyone
but me!
                                         -ailsa
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:59:28 GMT

In article <16130180@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com> miller@b-mrda.ca.boeing.com (Mark Miller) writes:
>mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:
>
>> I had to take Liana (age 2 1/2 mos) in to the emergency room for a high
>> fever (just a virus - she's ok now), and while waiting, Liana expressed
>> an interest to nurse.  So I did, as discreetly as possible, since I was
>> still in uniform.  The old guy seated a couple seats away got up and
>> left.  I thought -- gee, aren't you a little old to be embarrassed?
>> 
>> I keep waiting for the day when everybody accepts nursing for the
>> natural event it is.  Of course, I'm also waiting patiently for the day
>> when everybody stops smoking.
>> 
>> Michele, the eternal idealist.
>> ----------
>
>I generally leave also, or at least step out of view, out of consideration
>for the more modest among us. None of the ladies I know are embarrassed in
>any way to breast-feed in public, but I know a few that don't particularly
>like having their breasts stared at by unfamiliar males. So, if I don't know
>any better, I leave or step away. 
>
I dont think Michele is equating "accepting nursing" with men staring at
breasts. I think what we would all like is for it to just be natural. Nothing
to stare at and nothing to run away from.

It used to be in European culture that pregnant women were encouraged to
stay inside so as not to embarass people. In 1969 my 7th grade history 
teacher was forced to go on leave because she was starting to show!!
Society can change.

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Whole milk verses 2%
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:46:32 GMT
Summary: diabetes


There have been several newspaper articles on this over the last
few years.  The most recent I've read say:

No cow's milk for kids under 1 (seems to a correlation to diabetes
    for kids who already have a diabetic tendency)
whole milk until age 2

skim milk for school-age kids

I can't remember waht kids aged 2-5 were supposed to drink.

-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
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From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:10:28 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon

In article <Bt4t95.230@apollo.hp.com>, betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug17.104908.15380@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
|> >Babies and small children often develop a strong attraction for their
|> >favorite blanket or other toy, and will get upset when you take it away to
|> >wash it. The solution is to buy two identical blankets, and swap the clean
|> >one for the dirty one when the child is asleep or distracted by something
|> >else. Then you can wash the dirty one.
|> >
|> 
What I did and it worked like a charm is I took her favorite blanket (once it
was determined which one it was) and cut it in two.  Fortunately, it was a
rather large blanket.  I always kept half the blanket clean and swapped the
dirty half during naptime or at night.  It worked great, and Andrea never
knew the difference.  (I also kept the clean half hidden away so she would not
set it). 

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns)
Subject: Re: Ear Thermometers
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:03:39 GMT

In article <14050@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:
>
>In article <1992Aug12.235934.14760@octel.com>, cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns) writes:
>|> Well, when they finally came out on the consumer market our daughter was
>|> over two, and not as squirrely or as sickly as she used to be, so we 
>|> haven't yet justified one for ourselves, however, we did think they were
>|> wonderful presents for our two nephews.  Their mothers now swear by them.
>|> (As they received them as newborn presents, they didn't think much of them,
>|> until the doctor tried to take their tykes temperature under the arm.) 
>
>What's wrong with taking the temperature under the arm?  
>
>We are using a cheap quick digital thermometer that beeps when it's done. 
>... maybe it's just that my baby at 
>3.7 months has not yet demonstrated to me how hard it can be to hold him
>still for one minute.
>
>Paula Burch
>pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

Just thought I'd say we did cave and buy one of those Ear thermometers 
yesterday, after a terrible evening of high fevers and taking my very
warm daughter's temperature by holding her and using a digital thermometer
under her arm.  To reply to Paula, I must admit I think I only took my
daughter's temperature once before she was 4 months old, and she slept
right through it, but now that she's bigger she doesn't like sitting
still that long. (I know, a whole minute.) Especially when she's not
feeling well.  Last night I must have taken Alison's temp about five
times while she was asleep, and every 1/2 hour or so when she's awake.
(After an IV due to dehydration from having a fever so she couldn't
keep anything down, now we are really watching so we can do something
before it sneaks up on us.  The doctor's say it's an infection, and
if we can keep the antibiotics down she should be better soon.)

							Cathy
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Question about Encyclopedias
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:24:48 GMT
	<1992Aug14.203143.13758@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
	<1992Aug17.182928.372@clpd.kodak.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.

On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:29:28 GMT, staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507)) said:

K> Good points.  Sometimes it is nice to have reference materials in the home,
K> though.  I think one of the more economical ways to get an (adult-oriented)
K> encyclopedia is to first wait until the child is at least starting to read
K> (since they are continuously becoming more out-of-date).  Then, search
K> the used bookstores for a pre-owned set.  If nothing appropriate is found
K> (all too old, too pricey, etc.), then tell the owners that you are in the
K> market, so that they will know to watch for sets during their buying 
K> trips.  You'll still end up running to the library for more up-to-date
K> info (though the rural branch from my childhood certainly didn't have 
K> new encyclopedias).

Go to the Friends of the Library--that's where they sell off the
library's and everyone else's sets.  The last Friends sale I went to
had three or four Encyclopedia Britannicas and an Americana.  The
price is right--much less than you'd pay anywhere else--and the money
goes for new books at the library.  Support your local Friends!

Does anyone else remember how to spell encyclopedia by mentally
singing the Jiminy Cricket (I think) song from the Mickey Mouse
Club, back when Annette was on the show?

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
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From: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Date: 12 Aug 1992 22:51:32 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.22

In article <1992Aug12.201231.22562@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca> marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson) writes:

>Anyway, I think that for a person who has a high need for time alone,
>being a single parent would be even more difficult than it already is.
>And for a person with one or more adult partners, having a high need
>for alone time could still make it true that having two children *is*
>much more difficult than having one.

This sounds like something I've been thinking during the past few
months: that it's harder for an introvert (i.e. someone who needs
alot of alone time) to be a parent. I think for me that's been
the hardest part so far (David is only 6 months old). Sometimes
I'm so relieved to go to work, since it means I can be alone for
long stretches of time (and sometimes I *hate* going to work,
since it means I won't be with David. This is so *hard*!) It also
seems that it's particularly hard for an introvert who had and
active baby who needs lots of attention. But I don't really know
if there are babies who are quiet, and don't want to interact
alot --- even though T. Berry Brazelton says there are :-) ---
having only experienced my son. It from talking with friends that
all babies are to some extent demanding.

So I'm wondering what other people's experiences are. I'm pretty
convinced of the introversion/extroversion factor in parents, but
what about babies? Are there introverts out there who have had
one active and one quiet baby and really noticed a big difference
in how hard it was to parent?

Lindsay



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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: Walkers/Strollers for fast walkers/joggers
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:34:54 GMT

>>I am looking for a device that one can use to push a couple of 50-lb
>>kids around at a fast clip.
>
>Three Wheel Wonder
>sturdy lightweight steel frame; easy to push
>wrist strap; thick nylon seat; two-height adjustable handle;
>folds easily/no tools req'd to fit in most trunks;
>canopy and seat belt included;  for children up to 50 lbs.
>$159 (due to the weight of item, an extra $20 shipping
>added to normal $7.95 rate)
>Order #C039 from "The Right Start Catalog" in the United Airlines
>catalog.
>1-800-362-5500

A recent Damark catalog had both a single- and double-stroller.  I'm
sorry, I didn't save the catalog, so I can't give you any more details.
I do recall thinking that the prices weren't bad (also in the 150$ range)
for that type of stroller.  This was a special "shipping & handling free"
catalog, so unless you were in Minn. (I think) the specified price was
all you paid.  Perhaps another reader has that catalog & can give you 
more details.

One feature to look for, especially for a double-stroller, is a hand
brake.  The wrist strap is a safety feature (in case you trip & lose the
stroller, etc.)  A hand brake will make stopping, cornering, and heading
down hills a lot safer and easier.

Ken
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