From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti/100000)
Subject: Re: Football Failures at Bowie Force end of Season
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:06:26 GMT
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fred j mccall 575-3539 (mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
: Been there.  Done that.  Perhaps you need to do the same?  Let's take
: a look at what is REALLY being said here and see.  I have asserted
: that the proportion of high school graduates is lower (actually that
: the proportion of non-high school graduates is higher) in the criminal
: population than in the general population.  You disagree with that,

Wrong.  I don't have enough information to make a decision one way or another.

:                      You insist that I must have 'proof' for my
: assertion with regard to the relative proportions of non-high school
: graduates in the criminal and overall population.

Right, because you made the assertion.

: You insist that you
: need provide no such proof for your assertion with regard to the
: relative proportions of non-high school graduates in the criminal and
: overall population.

You seem to think that if I can't prove you wrong, then you must be right.
Yes, you do need to take a logic course.

: Well, if you're going to make up what I say, why should I bother?  I
: told you were to look.

Oh sure you did:  "Hell, check practically ANY report on crime."  That's your
standard cop out when you don't know the answer.

: I use them the OBVIOUS fucking way, John.  Libertarian (capital 'L')
: is the party.  Libertarian (small 'l') is all the self-proclaimed
: libertarians who are mostly practicing 'Jack' politics (as in, "I've
: got mine, Jack.  Screw you.").

Well, I'm not a "self-proclaimed libertarian", so by your definition, I'm
not a (small 'l') libertarian.  Nor am I a (big L) Libertarian--you can check 
with the party if you'd like.

: The former is GENERALLY a subset of
: the latter, and the latter tends to include a lot of people who aren't
: REALLY libertarians (this has become another abused label,

Oh, this is good.  What is a REAL libertarian, Fred?

: >I call you a socialist for two major reasons.  You advocate the redistribution
: >of wealth, and you advocate governmental control of business.  
: 
: First, you need to look up what 'socialist' means.

I will if you look up "libertarian".  Deal?

:                  Note that I have advocated NEITHER of the things that
: John claims I have, in any absolute sense.
: . . . 
: Once again, you need to correct your absolutist misperceptions about
: anyone who disagrees with your positions.  I have never done this,
: either, except in limited and specific cases.

OK.  You're a limited and specific socialist.  Feel better?

: Well, let's not look at all, then.  I'll shoot you, and then we won't
: need anyone to check it out.

Reality check:  A medical examiner determines cause of death.  Period.  I guess
you need to add this to the growing list of classes you need to take.

: >Why not?  He obviously doesn't need it anymore.
: 
: Gee, don't you think we'd like to know that John didn't just shoot
: somebody who pissed him off and then drag to body onto his property?
: People DO do this sort of thing sometimes, you know.

This, of course has nothing to do with how you dispose of dead bodies.  Sorry,
I don't see the point in planting somebody in the ground in an ornate box at
public expense.

: The point behind educating children is so they LEARN to make these
: kinds of calls.  If you don't do the education first, why bother at
: all?  When they're five, turn their asses out onto the streets and let
: them make it as best they can.

I never said that we shouldn't educate five-year-olds.  But don't let reality
get in the way of your little tirade.  You find me a five-year-old in high
school, and maybe I'll make an exception.

: >What I propose is that it's up to them to decide what they do.  They're the
: >ones who have to live with their choices.
: 
: Until they choose to take it away from you, of course.  Why do you
: have such an aversion to examining possible logical consequences of
: the things you espouse, John?

I'm sure glad you don't run the legal system.  Let's just save ourselves a
lot of work and arrest everybody who we think MIGHT commit a crime in the 
future.  Good idea.  Why wait until they actually commit a crime first?

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John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
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