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From: rga@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: DAVID CROSS: MEMOS FROM PURGATORY
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:49:18 GMT

In article <WHITE.92Nov17132136@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu> white@hydro.mps.ohio-state.edu (The Master) writes:
>
>	I remember an album around 1985 which featured David Cross and
>Keith Tippitt, but I can't remember the exact title or album label; the
>title is something like "Low-Flying Aircraft".  Beyond that, Cross appears
>on Clearlight's second album, "Forever Blowing Bubbles".  I don't know of
>any other post-Crimson stuff he's on.
>
>Dave White

I had heard good things about Clearlight, and given the fact that Cross
was on Forever Blowing Bubbles, I bought it and gave it a listen.

In my opinion, the composition was the most hacked together junk that
I've heard passed off for 'progressive' in a long time. Does music
have to be 'good' to be progressive :) ?

Seriously, the frustrating thing was many of the songs showed promise,
only to degrade badly at the next clever change.

Conclusion: I don't recommend it !

p.s. The new Crimson Live Box has a bit in the book about Cross and
why he left Crimson (read: was dismissed !).
From: dpg4m@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Paul Gervais)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Gong, again
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:13:38 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia
Originator: dpg4m@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU

I was hoping to get some information on the group Gong, Daevid
Allen, and other related stuff- like what are they up to now,
what is there to know about them, (esp. what's the Gong underground
I heard references to mean) etc.

I heard some of their stuff and I really like it- it's wild, like,
not at all stuffy or haughty.

Anyway you could either e-mail me or, gong me here for the rest
of the group to read--- let's talk GONG.

Dave Gervais.
UVa Engineering Grad-- dpg4m@virginia.edu
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From: rbhardin@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Ron Harding)
Subject: Re: Giles Giles and Fripp
Keywords: Cheerful insanity
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:00:12 GMT

In article <s0499528.8.0@let.rug.nl> s0499528@let.rug.nl (R. Dijkhuis) writes:
>Resently I read something in an old issue of Record Collector about "The 
>Cheerful Insanity of Giles Giles and Fripp being released on CD. Has anyone 
>seen it?
>
>Reinder D.

I picked up a Japanese CD in Toronto a month ago.  Quite an interesting
album.  I like it.

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 Another quality home game from Butler    | rbharding@descartes.uwaterloo.ca
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From: dmandl@shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: Ever seen King Crimson live?
Reply-To: dmandl@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:21:14 GMT

In article 88537@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, mk568652@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>I'm looking for people who have experienced a King Crimson
>show around 1967-70 only.  (the best years)
>
>
>Mitch

I don't want to get into any childish arguments about this,
but I think the lineup from '72/'73 till their first 
break-up ("Larks' Tongues in Aspic" through "Red") was one
of the greatest bands of all time, and by far KC's
best lineup (admittedly pretty different from the original
band, though).  I saw 'em in '73.

P.S.: If you know anyone who saw Crimson in '67, they
are indeed lucky.  That was quite a while before the band
was even formed.

   --Dave.

---
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
         Dave Mandl            |    Opinions expressed here
       New York City           | are not those of my employer,
   (dmandl@shearson.com)       |          believe me.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:22:10 GMT

In <2604@irit.irit.fr> stolte@irit.irit.fr (Nilo STOLTE) writes:

>>1) Does the word 'Amarok' mean anything in any language, or is it a
>>    nonsense word like 'Ommadawn' ?

>  If you find any sense in the "Incantations" and "Hergest Ridge" titles,
> please tell me. You know it's very common this kind of stuff in progressive
> rock. I

Hergest Ridge is a place in Wales where Mike used to go for walks
when he was making the album of the same name.

Incantations seems to actually contain incantations of various sorts.

Ommadawn is Gaelic for "idiot", and the words near the end of side
one on that album, repeated as "Ommadawn et ceol" means "the idiot
is singing" or something of that nature.

I believe the chant there is in fact an old Gaelic nursey rhyme.

As to Amarok ... your guess is as good as mine.  The whole thing is
intended as a riddle, with a treasure to be found.  As I understand
it, no one yet claims to have solved it.
-- 
Lawrence McIlhoney Esq., Department of Electronics
University of Southampton, United Kingdom           "Vegetable Rights
E-mail lm89@uk.ac.soton.ecs                             and Peace!"
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From: wang@hp4at.eunet.co.at (Wang)
Subject: Re: Wakeman Tour dates
Organization: EUnet EDV-Dienstleistungsgesellschaft m.b.H
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:48:40 GMT

borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella) writes:
: 
: These are a bit old, but here goes:
: 
:         Nov. 9          Canterbury
:         Nov. 11         Worthing
:         Nov. 12         Weston Super Mare
:         Nov. 15         Derby
:         Nov. 16         Mould
:         Nov. 19         Mitchell Theatre, Glascow
:         Nov. 21         Wullyotts Centre, Potters Bar
:         Nov. 22         Colchester
:         Nov. 27         Telford Town Hall
:         Nov. 28         Leeds Civic Centre
: 
: 
: -Mike

Does/Did he tour in Europe (Austria)???

Thanks,
michael

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From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Genesis
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:33:19 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Nov17.221107.17424@bmerh85.bnr.ca> reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.102550.21682@rtf.bt.co.uk>, traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov13.231533.9658@bmerh85.bnr.ca> reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume) writes:
>> >IMHO, the Genesis mutation occurred with the release of _And Then There
>> >Were Three_ in 1977. 
>> 
>> And Hackett's first solo album was an absolute stunner eh?
>>                                                        ^^^
>
>Michael,
>
>	I'm a bit confused, are you a canadian working in the U.K.?

Very close. Australian working in the UK. (Well you were half right
at least:-)

>I'm not sure but that ``eh'' at the end.

Well I would have thought you would have this album. I was merely
checking you thought it was good.

>	I thought, please don't quote me, that Hackett left Genesis
>because of the group's decision to be more commercial oriented.

Don't know, wouldn't be surprised though.

>I don't have Hackett's first album.

You are missing out then! Better than anything Genesis did after his
leaving. In fact better than anything Genesis did *before* his
leaving (at least before Gabriel left).

>Cheers,
>Andy ``How's it goin' eh?''

Fine.


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk
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Subject: Re: FUNKY CURIOSITY
From: S954818@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Mark Pedigo)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:31:02 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

OOPS!  I just recently discovered the network, and misunderstood "progressive"
In the future, I will post questions of this nature elsewhere.  At any rate,
I suspect there is a great deal of overlap between "progressive","alternative",
"bluenote", etc since great music isn't as such just because of whatever
pigoenhole (sp?) it gets plugged into...
-mp
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From: michaell@snake1.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: Another Live Crimson (w/ Belew)
Organization: /usr/lib/news/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:56:36 GMT

In article <By5zKy.88w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin) writes:
>I remember once seeing (in the early 80's) a live
>King Crimson record.  It was of the Belew period,
>and I think it was called 'Indiscipline'.
>On the back it had a long article by Fripp on
>why he hated bootlegs.  It itself wasn't a bootleg,
>but I've never seen it anywhere else, so maybe
>it was 'fake legit'.  However, it was in a large
>record store in Chicago that didn't sell bootlegs.
>Does anyone know about it?


Bootleg.  The back cover's a bootlegger's joke. (Real article, yes, but
placed for humor on the part of the bootlegger.

It appeared as if it was a real warner/eg recording.

I haven't looked at it for a while.....

Michael

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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Gong, again
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:52:03 GMT

gjjansen@idca.tds.PHILIPS.nl (gerard jansen) writes:

>Could you please tell something more on their
>live performances. I remember having on tape one live act of Gong which I never
>managed to find on any of the standard live albums I have seen. What is this 
>recording you mention like? Has it ever been in the shops? Or can you give a
>reference to an LP this might be on? 
>What I remember from the recording is that it typically sounded like Gong from
>the beginning (Camembert Electrique and such) and that there was a weard break
>in it where their "generator passed out"???

I can't really offer much based on what you mentioned. I've come across live
tapes from 1972-1992, and because GAS, the Gong Appreciation Society, sells
live tapes and rarities and because the band seems indifferent to fans 
trading tapes there seem to be a fair amount of Gong tapes in circulation. 
I know you can buy some from Gong in the US or UK, but it's not the kind
of thing you'd find in a store, and there are many soundboard and audience
tapes just circulating through fans. 

Daevid's bands Gongmaison and Gong92 are doing live material from the 
Camembert Electrique era. My girlfriend Kat found suprising similarities
in the sound of Gong live in 1992 to them in 1971 at the Glastonbury
Faire, but there has been miles of different kinds of Gong sounds in 
between. Sounds like you probably heard an early recording where the
power or synth failed - perhaps an outdoor gig driven by a portable
gas power electrical generator. 

On re-reading what I'd reposted regarding Bruford and Gong, I should 
comment that Bruford, in a recent interview with Anil Prasad, can't
even recall when he played with Gong and basically said "Why are you
asking me this?" Bruford said maybe it was early 1975. GAS folks 
said it was for a brief tour of France in fall 1974. 

GAS AMERICA:  PO Box 1551 North Wales, PA 19454
(the old Texas address is no more but there may still be a magazine
originating from there)

Send a SASE to GAS USA for more info. 

GAS UK: (has a much larger slection of product and rarities)
PO BOX 871, Glastonbury, Somerset BA6 9FE, UK
Send an IRC asking for more info. 
This address was taken from a 2 year old catalog and I think it might not
be current. I have other stuff more up to date but it's not at this
location right now. 

  - Malcolm  
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Happy the Man info wanted
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:37:14 GMT

Kit Watkins, the keyboardist for HTM (and briefly for Camel),
sells several HTM CDs, as well as his own solo CDs, out of his
home.

Happy The Man - Retrospective (73 minutes) - Contains most of the
                first two HTM albums and 3 tracks from the third.

Happy The Man - Better late ... (54 min) - The third HTM album.

Happy The Man - Beginnings (61 min) - Previously unreleased material
                from HTM in their 'formative years' 74-75.

I highly reccomend the Kit Watkins Sampler CD, $4 for 73 min. of
the best of his solo stuff. The other CDs are $12.95. Shipping is
$3 per order. Order from:

Linden Music 
P.O. Box 520
Linden, VA22642
USA

I've bought several HTM and Kit Watkins solo albums and enjoy them very
much.
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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: DAVID CROSS: MEMOS FROM PURGATORY
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:39:48 GMT

ranjit@netcom.com (Ranjit Padmanabhan) writes:
>>     ... Anyway, has Cross released anything else since leaving
>>Bob The Fripper's camp?

>He participated in a 1975 release with Keith Tippett and some others, calling
>themselves "Low Flying Aircraft", and released an eponymous album.

>In the late eighties, he released the solo work _Memos From Purgatory_.

>After that, he formed a group "Radius", who released two CDs, _Arc Measuring_,
>and _Sightseeing_. Both these have Cross' violin quite prominently featured,
>and are similar in spirit to _Memos From Purgatory_.

I've talked to the brother of the drummer in Cross' current band, who I think
has been working with Cross for a couple of years now - I think one of
these releases also has ex-Beefheart and Snakefinger sideman Eric Drew
Feldman on keyboards. Anyway, the news was that as of a few months back
Cross was still exploring coming for a tour of the US, probably booked thru
the grass-roots Gong-net. I hope it happens.  

  - Malcolm  

Pssst. Hey Anil, when you're done with the ferrets and the ginsu knives, 
can you give us a more detailed synopsis of what it sounds like. 

And Ranjit, is Low Flying Aircraft really from 1975, or is it 1985? I'd
thought it was a band of his in the 80's that mutated into the current band.

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From: dinadan@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Detlef Johannsen)
Subject: Re: What is Magma like?
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:11:52 GMT

martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr) writes:

>From what people have said this group sounds pretty interesting.
>I would like to know more about them...what they sound like, a good
>album to start with, etc.  Thanks in advance!

I don't know something similar to their music, my brother said
they are influenced by Coltrane.

Best Album to start is definitely the Live. On vinyl it is a double lp,
but it fits on one cd (>70min.). Or maybe 'Mekanik Destruktiv
Kommando', because the story behind the music is described on the
cover (in english, not in kobaia :-)

>Rob

>-- 
>Rob Martino                          |     (clever or particularly funny
>martino@wpi.wpi.edu                  |      philosophical quote here)
>Worcester, Massachusetts USA         | 
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From: mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us (Michael Borowiec)
Subject: Re: Genesis
Organization: HAM Radio Station N9EUZ, Naperville, IL
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:12:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.193605.11451@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>Michael Borowiec (mikebo@timesink.chi.il.us) wrote:
>: Have you checked out Hackett's live album released this year?
>: It's called _Time Lapse_... it's all old stuff. 
>
>No it's not *all* old stuff -- there's one new song on the album,
>and several on the laser disc/video compilation.
>
>Hackett is supposed to have a new album soon!
>
>And tour for it -- he's already toured for Time Lapse. In fact, the
>album was just an excuse to go out on the road.
>
>Scott
>

Cool! The new cut must be "Depth Charge" which I don't have on any of
his CD's. It is pretty great. I haven't seen the laser disc or video
and I would love to have this... Does anyone have the publishers name
and the catalog number for both the disc and tape?

I have all Hackett's stuff from "Voyage..." through "Highly Strung".
I must say that after "Cured" I didn't care much for what he was doing.
An exception was the excellent "Bay of Kings" which is all classical
guitar... tremendous... I think he did a couple albums in there which
I never listened to. Anyone have the complete list?
- Mike

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From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Another UK question?
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:49:54 GMT
	<1992Nov15.044621.26388@cs.mcgill.ca>
	<1992Nov15.045738.26551@cs.mcgill.ca>
	<RMF.92Nov16204551@chopin.cs.columbia.edu>
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: rmf@chopin.cs.columbia.edu's message of 17 Nov 92 01:45:51 GMT

In article <RMF.92Nov16204551@chopin.cs.columbia.edu> rmf@chopin.cs.columbia.edu (Robert M. Fuhrer) writes:

   Anyone know what Eddie Jobson is up to these days?

Sort answer:  No.


Long answer:

Several sources report that he is, or was, writing jingles in Ca.  One
source says his clients included L'Eggs and AT&T.  A friend of mine
heard an AT&T jingle and thought it was Jobson *before* he heard this
rumour.

There is no response from the CT address listed on "The Green Album".
I assume Private Music have no address for him either...

I asked Sonja Kristina if she knows what he's been up to, and she
replied "No", and went very quiet...

BTW:  did Sonja and Stewart Copeland get divorced a long time ago?

--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
From: alanb@Quality1.attmail.com
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: American publications devoted to progressive music
Date: 16 Nov 1992 08:02:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Greetings!

The following are active American publications dedicated to progressive music:

1.   Title: _Progression_

    Format: newsletter/published bi-monthly
      Size: consistently 10 pages (densely packed)
     Focus: progressive rock
    Editor: John Collinge
      Cost: $18 for a 1-year/6-issue subscription ($23 outside of the US)
   Address: P.O. BOX 7164/Lowell, MA  01852


2.   Title: _i/e Magazine_

    Format: magazine/published quarterly
      Size: 28 pages (based on Volume 1/Number 1)
     Focus: progressive rock and electronic music
    Editor: Darren Bergstein
      Cost: $16 for a 1-year/4-issue subscription
   Address: 2300 N. Yucca St./Chandler, AZ  85224


3.   Title: _Music Uncovered_

    Format: newsletter/published quarterly
      Size: 6 pages (based on Volume 2/Number 3)
     Focus: progressive rock (also alternative and eclectic)
    Editor: Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter
      Cost: $4 for a 1-year/4-issue subscription (US)
   Address: 1528 231 St. SW/Bothell, WA  98021


All three publications cover a wide range of progressive music from the US and
abroad.

Take care,


Alan Benjamin (from the band Advent)
Internet: alanb@quality1.attmail.com

p.s. - If any additions can be made to this list, please let me know.

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From: cbm@well.sf.ca.us (Chris Muir)
Subject: Re: Wayside?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:27:34 GMT

In article <sf2E2bi00UhWM1UJcv@andrew.cmu.edu> "Daniel E. Tyson" <dt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Could someone post the Wayside address and possible phone number? I'd
>like to get the latest catalog!

Wayside Music
P.O. Box 8427
Silver Spring, MD 20907-8427

New Releases Hotline:
(301) 589-1803

-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
Chris Muir                              |   "There is no language in our
cbm@well.sf.ca.us                       |    lungs to tell the world just
{hplabs,pacbell,ucbvax,apple}!well!cbm  |    how we feel"  - A. Partridge
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From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: Happy the Man info wanted
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 11:36:52 EST

  I missed out on the first part of this discussion, but I would be very 
interested in getting a general description of Happy The Man's music.  
What style does it fit into, and are there any bands to which they could 
be easily compared?  Thanks.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
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From: heatherz@world.std.com (Heather E Zahn)
Subject: Crimson Box Track Listing
Organization: xxx
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:53:12 GMT

Well, since so one has bothered to post a track-listing for The Great
Deceiver (or if they have, it hasn't propagated here yet), here is a
quick one:

DISC 1:

Palace Theatre, Providence RI; June 30, 1974.

1. Walk On... No Pussyfooting
2. Lark's Tounges in Aspic, Part Two
3. Lament
4. Exiles
5. Improv--A Voyage to the Centre of the Cosmos
6. Easy Money
7. Improv--Providence
8. Fracture
9. Starless

DISC 2:

1. 21st Century Schizoid Man
2. Walk off from Providence... No Pussyfooting

Glasgow Apollo: October 23, 1973.

3. Shark's Lungs in Lemsip (sic)
4. Lark's Tounges 1
5. Book of Saturday
6. Easy Money
7. We'll Let You Know
8. The Night Watch
9. Improv--Tight Serummy
10. Peace--a Theme
11. Cat Food

Penn State University: June 29, 1974.

12. Easy Money
13. ...It Is For You, But Not For Us

DISC 3:

Pittsburg, PA: Aug 29, 1974

1. Walk on ... no Pussyfooting
2. The Great Deceiver
3. Improv--Bartley Butsford
4. Exiles
5. Improv--Daniel Dust
6. The Night Watch
7. Doctor Diamond
8. Starless
9. Improv--Wilton Carpet
10. The Talking Drum
11. Lark's Tongues 2

PSU, Jun2 29, 1974

12. Applause & Announcement
13. Improv--Is There Life Out There?

DISC 4:

Toronto: June 24, 1974

1. Improv--The Golden Walnut
2. The NIght Watch
3. Fracture
4. Improv--Clueless and Slightly Slack

Zurich: Nov 15, 1973

5. Walk on no Pussyfooting
6. Improv--Some Pussyfooting
7. Lark's Tongues 1
8. Improv--The Law of Maximum Distress Part 1
9. Improv--The Law of Maximum Distress Part 2
10. Easy Money
11. Improv--Some More Pussyfooting
12. The Talking Drum

My only comment is that, after hearing the first two discs, WOW!!!
This is absolutely amazing stuff!!! BUY THIS NOW!!!

--Heather

"King Crimson was one of the few gigs for a rock drummer where you could
 play in 17/16 and still stay in decent hotels." --Bill Bruford
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