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From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: Re: THE NEW l
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 23:17:50 GMT
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

In article <1993Jan8.151451.10000@ac.dal.ca>, bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes:
|> Ya halla bil shaabab..Libnan waa basss, wa airee with the rest"

such erudite commentary.  Hey John, do you realize that this
is a public forum ?

|> Greetings to all my fellow Lebs and others in this news group.
|> I have also been a passive viewer here too, until now....

Well given the introduction, you may want to reconsider ??

[...]

|>  Why even
|> bother...I say.   Just be the best LEB you can, wa airee with the rest.

Just in case we missed it the last time ???
 
|> I stay in Jounieh when I go to Lebanon.  Portemilio to be specific.  
|> Anyone been there?  It is nice.  Rimal is the next best thing...hahah
|> I visited all parts of Lebanon except the Israel Secruity Zone.  My village
|> is perhaps about 10 min drive from Hasbaya.  Oh well maybe one day we can
|> cross the border without being shot at by our own army (SLA). 

The SLA is NOT our army, it is not an army at all for that matter.
It is a militia consisting of Lebanese thugs and mercenaries formed by Israel.
It is totally financed and equipped by Israel which uses it as a transparent
cover for its occupation of the so-called "Security Zone".

[....]

|> Went to Ehdin, Zagharta, Bshrery...etc...I am not from the shmal..so I only
|> visited.  It was OK....too many mountains I must say.  I am original
|> from the jnoub.  Our village is half Rome and half Druze.  A semi-happy
|> existence together since the 1700's?  Who knows?

Did you read that in a fairy tale book ?
 
|> Maybe I have said too much.  Maybe not?  I would really like to have a 
|> couple of Lebanese penpals thru e-mail.   Please reply whenever.  

Don't call me, I sure won't call you.
 
|> Marriage is on my agenda in the next couple of years.  My mother
|> supposedly has two or three 'nice' girls lined up.  Don't you just love
|> it....how one can get introduced to a girl and after 5-6 months you
|> get married.  Trust me it beats the Canadian divorsee.  Any thoughts?

So, do you think marrying a Lebanese will reduce your odds of getting
a divorce ? I think you would be better off in concentrating on the
character and personality of the person you are marrying rather than her
nationality.  But then again with someone of your considerable wit, 
and charming eloquence I would say, all bets are off.


|> Oh ya...we have been calling Lebanon via 'someone'.  It is costing us
|> $1.20 CAN per minute.....Anyone have cheaper rates?
|> 
|> Later....


No... please no more.

 
|> JOHN LAWEN


Basil
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:41:45 CST
From: Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Draft

I received a phone call from my parents asking me to send a letter from school
saying that I am student at their institution.  Then I called the Lebanese
embassy and talked to the military attache who told me to send the letter to
the embassy to get it "sadde'a" and then send it to my parents who would take
care of it back at home.

it seems that this thing is serious, all lebanese males born in 66 or up are
to be drafted.  So if you fit into this categorie, and haven't done anything
about it, maybe then you should consider getting a letter from your school and
send it to the embassy.




Nasri


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: saghir@eecg.toronto.edu (Mazen Saghir)
Subject: Re: Book Review
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:13:28 GMT

Since we're on the topic of books, has anyone read "Pity the Nation" by 
Robert Fisk? I believe that it is probably the best that has ever been 
written on the Lebanese civil war. The 2nd edition just came out and it
covers the events up till early 1992, especially the Aoun years, the Taif
accord, the election and assasination of President Rene Mouawwad, and the
release of the Western hostages. Most other books stop aroud 1988. Very well
written. Well worth the money.

Mazen Saghir
-- 
Computer Research Group              | e-mail: saghir@eecg.toronto.edu 
Department of Electrical Engineering +----------------------------------------- 
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From: cedars@mtliban.Corp.Sun.COM (Corp. Finance)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: World Cup Elemination In Lebanon
Date: 9 Jan 1993 00:34:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cedars@mtliban.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: mtliban.corp.sun.com

 It's great that FIFA will allow Lebanon to host such tournament.

 I will like to know as much as possible about this; it will interesting
 to find out how Lebanon acts on the world stage during the games.

 Is it possilbe for some of you to keep us informed about this tournament and
 how Lebanon acts as a host?  

 Here are the dates:  Got this from rec.sport.soccer

--------------------------------------------------  

Here are the qualifying dates for the six groups in Asia. Group winners 
play a round robin tournament in November/December 1993. Each group is
played in the form of two mini-tournaments at locations within the group.
Source is the January 1993 issue of World Soccer, so perhaps these dates
should be taken with a grain of salt (judging by their insistence that
Cyprus and Belgium were to play on January 2 :-)). Note that two matches 
are missing from Group C in the mini-tournament in Doha, Qatar. These
are Qatar v North Korea and Indonesia v Singapore. World Soccer does not
list them but my guess is they will be played April 18. 

Here is Lebanon`s group.

Asia Group D

*  93/05/07  Lebanon      India
*  93/05/07  Hong Kong    Bahrain
*  93/05/09  Bahrain      South Korea
*  93/05/09  Lebanon      Hong Kong
*  93/05/11  India        Hong Kong
*  93/05/11  Lebanon      South Korea
*  93/05/13  Lebanon      Bahrain
*  93/05/13  India        South Korea
*  93/05/15  Hong Kong    South Korea
*  93/05/15  Bahrain      India

!  93/06/05  South Korea  Hong Kong
!  93/06/05  Bahrain      Lebanon
!  93/06/07  India        Bahrain
!  93/06/07  South Korea  Lebanon
!  93/06/09  Hong Kong    Lebanon
!  93/06/09  South Korea  India
!  93/06/11  India        Lebanon
!  93/06/11  Bahrain      Hong Kong
!  93/06/13  South Korea  Bahrain
!  93/06/13  Hong Kong    India

*  matches played in Beirut, Lebanon
!  matches played in Seoul, South Korea


 
Let's pray that Lebanon protects all the players involved.

So long...oh by the way, I agree with some of you that this 
forum should only be for the exchange of cultural news and not
for the bloody religious lunatics.   Haven't you had enough of
this crap???????????????????

Joseph
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: waid@leland.Stanford.EDU (Walid F Nasrallah)
Subject: Re: Beirut University College
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 05:35:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.110307.10069@ac.dal.ca> bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes:
>Has anyone been to the new BUC in Amshit?
>
>My sister is attending "UNI" as it is called, and was wondering
>how the program was there.  I hear it is shitty and people attending
>BUC only go there to hang out.  Education is secondary.
>
>Any thoughts?


Well, as a matter of fact, I was there just just last Monday (Jan 4th)
and I must say, it is a pretty "showy" place, but no more so than your
average American University (Chico, U.Maryland, whatever...).  But there
are some pretty hard working people there, and some of them have brains too,
but not everybody can stand the traffic jams around the A.U.B.!

Total asides:
The view from the campus is quite striking, by the way.  And Lebanese
faculty members cannot help being "Lebanese" .....


Walid
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: ttabet@currie.tansu.com.au (Tabet Tabet)
Subject: Re: THE NEW l
Reply-To: ttabet@currie.tansu.com.au
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:11:20 GMT

What village you come from exactly Mr.Lawen.
Perhaps I know the village and I know people with that family name.

Tabet Tabet
Telecom Australia

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: josephmo@microsoft.com (Joseph Mouhanna)
Subject: What is this forum about anyway?!?
Date: 04 Jan 93 05:57:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

I was expecting soc.culture.lebanon to be dealing with 
"social" and "cultural" events related to Lebanon.
Instead it looks like we insisted on bringing our political
differences here.

Censorship of any type shape or form is never good, and
I don't want the tone of this message to imply that I am
objecting to people voicing their opinions, but some of
the messages are much better suited for politics.mideast
or some other forum where politics are discussed openly.

Given the recent history of Lebanon, ANY political
subject no matter how innocent it may sound is bound
to escalate into a full-blown political discussion.  If culture
is not the purpose of this forum, please correct me, and 
accept my deepest apologies.

What I like to see is more postings like the one about
Fairouz coming to the U.S., possibly some discussions
about the current re-building plans: economy, re-building
of Beirut, resumption of flights to Lebanon, environmental
issues, rebuilding of what was once one of the finest
educational systems in the Middle East, cultural events
in Lebanon, tourism, etc.
----------------------------------------------------------

Disclaimer   The views expresed in this posting are
----------   mine alone and do not express the views 
             of my employer. --Joseph
----------------------------------------------------------
Following is an excerpt From "The Garden of the 
Prophet" by Gibran Khalil Gibran (as published
by Heinemann, London, 1934)

Pity the nation that is full of beliefs and empty of 
religion.

Pity the nation that wears a cloth it does not weave,
eats a bread it does not harvest, and drinks a wine that
flows not from its own wine-press.

Pity the nation that acclaims the bully as hero, and
that deems the glittering conqueror bountiful.

Pity the nation that despises a passion in its dream,
yet submits in its awakening.

Pity the nation that raises not its voice save when 
it walks in a funeral, boasts not except among its ruins,
and will rebel not save when its neck is laid between
the sword and the block.

Pity the nation whose statesman is a fox, whose
philosopher is a juggler, and whose art is the art
of patching and mimicking.

Pity the nation that welcomes its new ruler with trum-
petings, and farewells him with hootings, only to
welcome another with trumpetings again.

Pity the nation whose sages are dumb with years and
whose strong men are yet in the cradle.

Pity the nation divided into fragments, each fragment
deeming itself a nation.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: greetings
From: hchammou@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:34:25 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <1993Jan4.015337.13372@bsu-ucs>, 00r0zoorob@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> 
> 
>                           .             _  . |             |        | __
>                       __|__\__|    ._o__|__| |    o    ._0 |__C     |_\
>                     _/  _     .    |              /    |          `_'
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                               Riad Zoorob
>                               Ball State University

Dear Riad,

Are you by any chance related to Mr. Khalil E. Zoorob ?

Please reply soon.

-Hassan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: wshaib@bnr.ca (Wadih Shaib)
Subject: uniform transliteration standard
Keywords: transliteration 
Reply-To: wshaib@bnr.ca (Wadih Shaib)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:00:18 GMT

hello everyone,

I've been a 'passive' member of this newsgroup for sometime
now. This is my first post. I would like to get the different
views that you may have with regards to defining a uniform
arabic-to-english transliteration standard. This would be very
helpful in writing arabic messages using the Latin alphabet.
I know of some people who were trying to do that in Lebanon
(out of various motives). Points to consider:
   1. In transliteration, pronounciation becomes an important
      issue. I suggest using the 'classical' arabic.
   2. accents will NOT be transliterated:
         3amon sa3eedon   (happy year) unacceptable
         3am sa3eed         =      =   acceptable

      (p.s. 3 stands for the letter ain)
   3. C-like escape sequences could be used to escape certain
      characters that would otherwise create some confusion

Any ideas?
according to this proposed system, here is a popular verse:

  Ma Kul Ma yatamanna Almaruu Yudrikahu
          Tajri Alriyah Bima La Tashtihi Assufunu

Regards,
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From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Book Review
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:53:19 GMT
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan

In article Ayed*(a + 1) writes:

[] Wouldn't surprise me at all. Did you ever read "By Way of Deceit" by
[] Victor Orlofsky? He's a former Mossad agent who got so disgusted with
[] his agency's tricks that he resigned, and exposed all the dirty doings
[] of Mossad in his book (1991).


[AA] Just a correction.  The book's title is By Way of Deception by Victor
[AA] Ostrovsky.                              -------------------

The corection is correct.
But what if this book was just another way of deception?


Tsiel
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: philo@athena.mit.edu (philo)
Subject: Re: Are Lebanese considered ARABS?????
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:49:16 GMT

In article <9JAN199300221590@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu>, 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil) writes:
|> As the saying goes:
|> 
|> 			al @akl zine
|> 
|> alex
|> 
|> --- from soc.culture.arabic ----
|> 
|> In article <1993Jan8.160737.10004@ac.dal.ca>, bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes...
|> >I was wondering....do most Arabs consider the Lebanese as Arabs?
|> > 


oh please, not again! :+( 

-philo.
-- 
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men abl maa Saar sh-shajar @aalii
				(Ziad)
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:46:20 CST
From: Nasri <U38065@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Gibran Khalil Gibran

Does anyone know when is his birthday, or if there is a day/week/month in the
year known as Gibran's day/week/month  ??

The Lebanese Cultural Committee on our campus is planning to sponsor a spot-
light wekk on Gibran, the man, the writings and the paintings.  So could you
help out and tell us if there is an already established week for that ?

Thank you




Nasri


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|        Je suis jeune, il est vrai; mais aux ames bien nees            |
|        La valeur n'attend point le nombre des annees.                 |
|                                                 LE CID (DON RODRIGUE) |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: krt@ddxrsg.mlo.dec.com (Khaled Tabbara)
Subject: Re: Portemilio vs Rimal - Beach Resorts
Reply-To: krt@avalon.mlo.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:52:37 GMT


In article <1993Jan11.111939.10073@ac.dal.ca>, bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes:
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|>From: bibr0027@ac.dal.ca
|>Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
|>Subject: Portemilio vs Rimal - Beach Resorts
|>Message-ID: <1993Jan11.111939.10073@ac.dal.ca>
|>Date: 11 Jan 93 11:19:39 -0400
|>Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
|>Lines: 37
|>
|>I lived in Portemilio for about 12 weeks.  For those who don't know
|>what Portemilio is...it is a beach resort in Jounieh (15min drive from
|>Beirut).  It was pretty cool.  It's rival is the Rimal, just down the 
|>road.  Has anyone been to either of these resorts.
|>
|>I think Portemilio tends to be more for Lebs that have migrated to
|>other parts of the world.  There are amazingly a number of people
|>who speak English there.  We even forced the reception guy at
|>the door to begin to speak some English.  Rimal tends to be
|>more of the French snobs in Lebanon.  Samaya, another resort,
|>is more involved in politics.
|>
|>The new Portemilio Health Club, which I have membership at is pretty cool
|>too.  Perhaps the price of $7000 per life time membership per family
|>is too high.  Money talks in Lebanon I guess.  Chalets are too expensive
|>too.   It is like $2000 per sq meter.  Ouch.  A 2bdrm apartment would
|>cost something like a quarter of a million.  All I know is somepeople
|>are making millions, while others are barely bring food to the table
|>in Lebanon.  Tough eh?
|>
|>The only problem with Portemilio is that, Boustani has decided not to 
|>spend his money on building a 'jeti'.  I think they are building a
|>Portemilio Hotel.  
|>
|>Life in Lebanon is just great when you have water, electricity,
|>cable, etc...I would advise anyone to give Portemilio or Rimal
|>a couple of visits when on vacation in Lebanon.  Just let me known 
|>when you are going and I could send you some Invitations.  My little
|>brother Fouie could give you the tour.  I think most Americans that
|>have never gone down to Lebanon would be amazed.  Just don't
|>forget to bring the $$$$$$.  It can be expensive.
|>
|>
|>Any thoughts?
|>
|>
|>John
|>
--

John,

Speaking French doesn't make one a snob. In fact, a person can speak
Arabic or English and still sound like a snob.

Life in Lebanon can be great if one doesn't have to work and
can spend his/her parents money and live at beach resorts...etc

Regards,


Khaled
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Belly dancers and Arabic cultures
Date: 12 Jan 1993 01:30 CST
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
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From soc.culture.arabic (redirected to both groups)

In article <1993Jan11.214148.5900@voodoo.ca.boeing.com>, das@emmapeel.ca.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes...
>I recently started taking belly dancing classes to get back into shape
>after an illness, and have become very curious about how belly dancers
>are viewed in various Arabic societies.  Are they respected, or regarded
>as equivalent to strippers/prostitutes?  Is this an activity that respectable
>women would engage in (I'm not necessarily talking about dancing for men, just
>the art itself)?  I've also heard various different theories about how it
>originated (ranging from a preparation for childbirth to a way prostitutes
>enticed their clients).  Does anyone have any pointers towards books
>(available in the United States) on the subject?
> 
>Thanks,
>------
>Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.ca.boeing.com  // ....uw-beaver!bcsaic!voodoo!das
Xref: sparky soc.culture.lebanon:5543 soc.culture.arabic:6473
From: zzaaskk@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Mail to Beirut
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:56:13 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre CGU

In article <Jan05.174157.57002@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) writes:

> I would appreciate it if he could mail it for me from 
> Beirut as it would get there sooner than mailing it from here,
> or better yet he could drop it off at the place of business
> in Verdun.

My experience of mail in lebanon indicates that this is not the case.
Mail from abbroad is dilivered more quickly then mail from Lebanon.
The logic is that mail in Lebanon has to be collected and then delivered,
while mail from abroad has only to be dilivered, so it takes half the time!

I used to get mail from overseas quicker then mail posted to me in lebanon. 
The case might be different now. I used to send myself mail from Beirut
to Tripoly, to avoid carrying the books and articles through the Lebanese 
forces lines. It used to take two-three months for the letters to arrive. 
Still better then running the risk of disappearing into the void of the 
Lebanese civil war casualties. 
                            
> Basil

Good luck with your endevour. Hope somebody is going to Lebanon soon.
By the way why don't you enquire if the business have a cypriot telephone
number based in lebanon. You may be able to fax it to them?

Kamie
From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Are Lebanese considered ARABS?????
Date: 9 Jan 1993 00:22 CST
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
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As the saying goes:

			al @akl zine

alex

--- from soc.culture.arabic ----

In article <1993Jan8.160737.10004@ac.dal.ca>, bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes...
>I was wondering....do most Arabs consider the Lebanese as Arabs?
> 
>Is it a given that Arabs must be Muslim? (the majority are).
>If Lebanese are arabs, why do most Christian Lebanese consider 
>themselves as not being ARAB?
> 
>I am a Lebanese, who has fought on both sides of the matter.  I use
>to think that Lebanese were Arabs.  Not anymore.  Perhaps politically
>only....  What have the Arabs done for us, except force Palestians
>unto our land, with their guns and all.  Why do most Lebanese
>fear these "Phadaeey"?  Palestians are arabs aren't they?  Who gives
>them the bloody rite to come onto our lands, take what they want,
>kill you they desire, just because Israel has replaced what
>was known as Palestine.  The Lebanese government can only help
>to a degree.  Why do the arabs in their Arabic League decide
>on the fate of Lebanon with others like Syria. 
> 
>All these questions keep floating in my head.  Would someone
>please help answer these questions.  I have nothing against
>the Palestians or their cause, or any other Arab party.
>A while ago, when I heard the rumor that Lebanon was to be no more,
>and Palestine was to be in it's place, I was going to...3@#$@$#@$
> 
>You give em an inch they want it all.....
> 
> 
> 
>Anyway....would someone please enlighten the situation for me and others..
> 
> 
> 
>John LAWEN                 
> 
>No offence to anyone.....
>