HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ryan@eta.cs.fsu.edu (John Ryan)
Subject: Re: Possible #1 vs. #2 matchup in major bowl games.
Reply-To: ryan@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 20:02:56 GMT


>>>: Scenario 4: MNC decided in the Fiesta Bowl.
>>>: 
>>>: #1 Miami (11-0) vs. #2 Florida State (10-1)
>>>: 
>>>: This one will be possible if, again, Alabama loses, and Michigan is
>>>: tripped up by Ohio State.  A loss or poor showing by A&M will let FSU
>>>: jump over them to #2.  I would **LOVE** to see this rematch, and I'm
>>>: sure it will be an incredible game.
>>>
>>>Well, this all of a sudden is a very real possibility... 2 of the 3 'ifs'
>>>cited above have happened...  (UM tied by Illinois, FSU jumps A&M)
>>>
>>>My question is: 
>>>
>>>Why in the world would Miami play FSU again?  They already beat them.
>
>No the question is; why is everyone looking past the gators here. FSU
>has to play them saturday and they are NEVER pushovers. I think we
>'Nole fans might want to keep this rematch stuff cool until next week.


Ahhh...  A voice of reason.  I couldn't agree more.  The only time in
recent memory that FSU was favored big over UF, and actually won big
was in '88, when we thrashed the Gators 52-17.  They always get up for
this game, and until we get past them, we should hold back some on the
rematch talk.

Go Noles!

-- 
--------------------------------------------
-John Ryan
ryan@cs.fsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dwray@convex.com (Daryl Wray)
Subject: Re: TEXAS aTm - got screwed
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:21:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Nov19.171750.2303@alc.com> stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
>
>Are we having fun yet?
>
>	Sagarin:	Texas A&M #12
>	Marsee:		Texas A&M #20
>	Schmidt:	Texas A&M #14
>	Dendy:		Texas A&M # 7
>
>You should be happy that the pollsters are *already* giving an 
>unblemished record more consideration than it probably deserves
>(when considering the quality of the opposition and the decisiveness
>of the games).
>--
>Chris Stassen			408-943-0630			stassen@alc.com

Kind of surprised to see you post this, Chris.  It wasn't long ago that
you were posting the fact that these systems s*ck in attempting to guess
which teams will win on a given Saturday (as compared to individuals).
As I recall, I've beaten these systems regularly in your weekly pools.
I'm not posting this to ridicule these programs.  I understand the dif-
ficulty of trying to figure in all the variables that affect the outcomes.

Now the question at hand is, how does the AP do against these systems
(i.e. is the AP a better judge of who will win head to head competitions)?
Can you start an AP entry in your CFPOOL?

I don't think the AP is really doing the Ag's any favors.  Course the Ags
are entering the most difficult part of their schedule.  IF we win two
more, then we can worry about MNC's.

daryl

Newsgroups: osu.sports,rec.sport.football.college
From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: no respect for tOSU
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:08:58 GMT

Money doesn't have anything to do with it? Don't be so gullible.

Aaron
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Rice 34 Baylor 31
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:11:50 GMT

Chris S. Robbins (crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu) wrote:
: >Rice has to beat Navy and Houston to go to a bowl.  I would like to see
: >them get the new Alamo Bowl.  That would be good for their fans, they
: 
: Alamo Bowl won't start until Dec. 1, 1993.  Geez, the damn building isn't
: even finished yet.

Well, since they would have waited 29-some odd years to get ivited to
a bowl, I'm sure they wouldn't mind waiting one extra year over such
a minor point as the building not being there...    :^)
-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: fsu and A&M was(Re: Roll Tide down the Polls!)
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:54:05 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In  tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:

| 
| Tell this to the pollesters and the fsu crew about A&M.  
| Is there any precedent(sp?) of a 1 lose team leap frogging a no lose team?
| Recently there has been the 1 tie leap frog, but with a lose.  So far
| no one has proved they are better than us, someone has proved they are
| better than fsu.

The poll voter don't have precedents, they get to vote for who they want.
Poll voter send out precedents, to the coachs.

Since Bama & FSU will now play Florida, it could have both teams beating
Florida.  Then the MO POINTS rule could move FSU over Bama.  Talk about
sending a precedent to the coachs;

        " Winning is not enough, you must break them ".



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Two Losses Could Cost Cooper His Job
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:23:00 GMT

Michael Doel writes:

[in re: a buy out of Cooper's contract]

>Great.  For months now, every Ohio State alumni magazine has had an article
>from Gee telling us how strapped the university is for cash.  Even if the
>money comes from the athletic department, that still affects the bottom line
>of the university.  Now I know that a national championship football team
>would tremendously boost alumni contributions, but $342,000 is an awful lot
>to bet that the guys who's shown improvement won't win one & some new guy
>will.

I'm glad that I am not the only one who has noticed this.  Ohio State has been 
forced to cancell sections of courses which are required for certain degrees 
due to lack of funds.  For some students, that means having to attend college 
another quarter or even as much as an extra year.

There can be absolutely no justification for Ohio State to buy out Cooper.  The
school (and it *is* a school) can't afford it.

     - Pat
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
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- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay))
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:53:17 GMT

In article <BxttqI.EGn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.193137.25208@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.153323.10180@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>>>Chris S. Robbins (crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu) wrote:
>>>: We control our own destiny- 2 wins= Cotton Bowl
>>>:                             1 win= Bowl game
>>>
>>>But Chris, you forgot another possibility that is just as likely
>>>as your 2 wins choice...
>>>
>>>0 wins=NO WHERE
>
>	Not necessarily.  Wouldn't a 6-5 Texas team be more attractive
>	than any of these ridiculous .500 Big Ten teams?
[stuff about B10 teams not being a very good draw deleted]

A 6-5 Texas team would not be a very good draw for a bowl, at least not
in terms of getting fans to the games. Texas fans are still spoiled from
being the 3rd winningest program in history, and have not adjusted to
their lower status--they'll go to bowls in droves only when the bowls
are on NYD (IMHO, of course). And besides, Texas wouldn't even b eligible,
since they wouldn't have six  wins over Div. IA teams (one win was against
IAA U. North Texas).

>	I saw where, in the ACC report, that Georgia Tech is "eliminated"
>	from bowl consideration at 5-5.  If they beat Georgia and finish
>	6-5, I'd sure as hell rather have them than a 6-6 Iowa or 6-5
>	Michigan State!

It's probably for the same reason I mentioned above for Texas. GT probably
has onewin against a IAA team

>>Well, Scott is probably an Aggie ;-) but he's also got a good point. Of
>>our two remaining games, we will _certainly_ be the underdog against A&M,
>>and possibly against Baylor (it will probably be a small line, whichever
>>way it goes). BUT, the Baylor game this weekend is Grant Teaff's last
>>game as head coach for Baylor after 20+ years, and beating Baylor would
>>salvage a disappointing final season. The players will want to give him
>>this game very badly. They already blew the A&M game, the Cotton Bowl, 
>>and _any_ bowl... beating Texas is the last thing they have to shoot for.
>
>	Where is the Baylor-UT game to be played?

Oops! I though for sure I remembered to mention that in my list of reason
Baylor could very well ruin Texas's season this Saturday. It is Grant
Teaff's last game, and is AT BAYLOR. The fans will be beserk (well, as
beserk as a bunch a students at a school that doesn't even allow dancing
on campus can get! ;-) )


Jay
-- 

*********************************
  John R. Boisseau ("Jay")       
  Department of Astronomy
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Oldest Rivalry in the South (was Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10)
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:39:02 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) wrote:
}
}In terms of games, the Virginia-North Carolina rivalry is older - 97
}meetings, I believe. Also, William and Mary-Richmond is billed as
}the "oldest rivalry in the south" with the series record standing 
}at 49-47-5 in Richmond's favor.

Auburn-Georgia is billed as the "oldest CONTINUOUS rivalry in the south",
meaning that they starting playing in 1892 and have only skipped a few
war years - when one or both couldn't field a team - since then.  I guess
somebody decided W&M-Richmond didn't count since it is in Division I-AA.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

       "Death wears a big hat, 'cause he's a big bloke."    
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: How Colorado could still win the Big 8, pt.2
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:44:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.151414.3790@sparky.imd.sterling.com> marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.031745.10010@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>>
>>What I am saying is that they will be in for some serious football when
>>they visit Norman.
>>
>>Also, I heard some folks saying that NU was probably looking ahead to the
>
>I don't know where you heard this, the NU players and coaches admitted
>that they were outplayed in ~every~ aspect of the game.  And, having attended
>the game, they were.  The ISU defense was, quite frankly, awesome against NU's
>running game.  NU would just get things going and then ISU would catch a
>running back in the backfield for a seven of eight yard loss.  Make no bones
>about it ISU won this game.  They controlled the ball, controlled the clock,
>didn't have turnovers, and played awesome defense.  Congratulations ISU.

That's so typical, you just can't admit you were outplaye.. Oh.  Sorry.
I thought I was reading a Buffalo post after a CU loss. :-)
Buffalo fans take heed: this is why my general impression of NU and NU
fans is that they are a classy group.  Because they *behave* that way.
  
BTW, I'll admit OSU played quite well and were unlucky not to win against
OU.  OU also played well and also could have won with one more good break.

>Mark Olson  || marko@IMD.Sterling.COM -or- uunet!sparky!marko

    OOOO        Go Sooners!  Beat the Huskers!
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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sagarin Rankings - Michigan # 1
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:33:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov5.193332.27235
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>In article <BILLMS.92Oct30093209@quip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>>
>>As someone has already pointed out, if this is a joke, it isn't considered
>>very funny in Vegas.  Sagarin supposedly does very well against the line.  He
>>also does very well against most of the net prognosticators here, though you
>>would never know it from the shit he catches.  

>Well, there are a LOT of people that trust Sagarin that must be pissed at
>this point, thinking Michigan would win by a large margin over Purdue,
>and almost losing...
>-- 
>David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
>VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
>uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
>davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"

Yeah, if I were using his ratings to bet in Vegas and making money, I probably
be so pissed that he missed the Michigan-Purdue game that I'd flush his
little system down the can.  No sir, if it's not 100% correct every week,
it's no good.

GT
Organization: Doctoral student, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:57:50 -0500 
From: Mike Molloy <mmaq+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: hey cliff...
	<1992Nov15.081130.11481@tamsun.tamu.edu>


> Hey Cliff, what's the name of that damn Miami bird mascot?


> - goober (racking my brain trying to figure it out) smith


The bird's name is Sebastian the Ibis.  According to legend,
the ibis is the last bird to leave it's nest when a hurricane hits.
From: brook@l42bb.jsc.nasa.gov) (Mike Brookover)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AGGIES SUCK!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:51:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: aio.1992Nov18.145133.875
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.

In article <1992Nov17.234048.21903@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>
kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>I recently found this definition of the word Aggie in Webster's dictionary:
>
>Aggie - n. 1. an asshole whose size is so extraordinary that the Eiffel tower
>       fits inside with only moderate lubrication. 2. a large conglomeration
>       of hicks into what has been called a "school". adj. 3 the USUALLY 
>       undesirable condition of a part of the body, especially genitalia.
>       usage: Your penis is Aggie.
>
>Kevin
>
>
>
Are we feeling a bit insecure today?

later,

mgb
From: tweedy8432@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: I-AA Playoffs: Northern Iowa vs. EWU
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:09:39 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

  NORTHERN IOWA  vs.  EASTERN WASHINGTON
          
       November 28th,  6:30 p.m.
       UNI-Dome  -  Cedar Falls, IA

Ah YES, the playoffs are finally here!

Not a whole lot on the scouting card for this one. 
UNI won two BIG games to end out the regular season.  EWU had last
week off so is obviously well rested.

No major injuries on UNI's side.

The two teams have met twice before.  The first was in the quarterfinals
of the 1985 playoffs where UNI held off a late rally for a 17-14 win 
in the UNI-Dome.  The teams also met in the last game of the 1989 season 
in Cedar Falls with UNI coming away a 47-21 victor. 

EWU follows the basic Big Sky offensive thrust, but adds a twist to the 
conference --> they also play tough defense, allowing an average of 16.4
points per game in the addictively high scoring conference (just ask most
any Idaho opponent!).

An interesting stat I picked up on recently is that UNI leads the Gateway
conference in only **ONE** major offensive category, scoring average.  The
big play offense will certainly be a test for Eastern's stingy defense.

This region of the bracket provides some interesting future matchups:

A Panther win sets up a rematch with either McNeese St. or Idaho. 
UNI beat McNeese in the first game of the year 21-18 on the road and
also Idaho in the memorable #1 vs. #2 game in the Dome, 27-26.

An Eastern win could possibly pit them against conference rival Idaho
(I think Idaho won the regular season matchup, someone correct me if
I'm wrong).

But this is one guy who's not worried about next week yet.  Eastern will
undoubtedly be prepared with an extra week to shuffle things around. (Although 
it was not official, the UNI matchup was widely predicted.)  And a sellout in 
the Dome is no guarantee this time around as most students will be home for 
Thanksgiving and season ticket holders are required to re-purchase tickets.  
Guess I'll have to yell extra loud, eh?


Chris Tweedy
University of Northern Iowa

Can't wait until the damn Div. I season is shut down for a few weeks so 
the more important (I-AA) posts will stand out!


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Canes in the Graves-yard!
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:40:25 GMT

Jeff Wilson writes:

>Miami visits the Carrier Dome this Saturday for a game that will decide
>which team plays for the national championship on January 1.  So come on, 
>all you fans that "dislike" the Hurricanes with a passion---pull for the
>Orange this weekend!  Pray for us; we'll need it!  But no woofing, please;
>restrict statements of optimism to nothing stronger than "I think they 
>can give Miami a game".  Thanks for your support.  

Ok Jeff no woofing !  A good friend of mine and I are flying up Friday
for the game and I wondered if you could tell us if we might need coats ??

Just a couple of dumb Cane fans   ;-)
From: n8443916@henson.cc.wwu.edu (John Gossman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: PAC-10 is ACC of College Football
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:18:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Nov23.041811.24421
Organization: Western Washington University


	The 8 bowl eligible teams in the Pac-10 are 19-4-1 against
all non-conference foes, with two of the losses being to #1 Miami 
and #3 Texas A&M (and each of those could have easily gone the
other way).  But as a result of pummeling each other, only UW
will be going to a major Bowl (well Stanford may get into the
Blockbuster, but that has more to do with Penn St. being weak and
Bill Walsh than respect for the Pac-10).  
	I wish we had a 64-team tourney like in basketball.  Then
we could hear the pollsters (especially the damned coaches, UW #13
get that s***  out of here) say "Wow, 6 Pac-10 teams in the Sweet
Sixteen, they must have been tougher than we thought" every year,
just like they underestimate the ACC in Basketball every year.
	Of course, that would add 5 more weeks to College Football
season (hmmmm, maybe not so bad after all).

	-JG
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Texas 35 SMU 14
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:46:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.193137.25208@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.153323.10180@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>>Chris S. Robbins (crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu) wrote:
>>: We control our own destiny- 2 wins= Cotton Bowl
>>:                             1 win= Bowl game
>>
>>But Chris, you forgot another possibility that is just as likely
>>as your 2 wins choice...
>>
>>0 wins=NO WHERE

	Not necessarily.  Wouldn't a 6-5 Texas team be more attractive
	than any of these ridiculous .500 Big Ten teams?  I am simply
	amazed that bowls such as the Weedeater/Independence and
	Freedom would even be interested in these teams.  I keep hearing
	this "Big Ten prestige, drawing power, TV ratings" thing.  Just
	how many people would watch Illinois vs. Southern Mississippi?
	Bowl reform is needed!!!

	I saw where, in the ACC report, that Georgia Tech is "eliminated"
	from bowl consideration at 5-5.  If they beat Georgia and finish
	6-5, I'd sure as hell rather have them than a 6-6 Iowa or 6-5
	Michigan State!

>
>Well, Scott is probably an Aggie ;-) but he's also got a good point. Of
>our two remaining games, we will _certainly_ be the underdog against A&M,
>and possibly against Baylor (it will probably be a small line, whichever
>way it goes). BUT, the Baylor game this weekend is Grant Teaff's last
>game as head coach for Baylor after 20+ years, and beating Baylor would
>salvage a disappointing final season. The players will want to give him
>this game very badly. They already blew the A&M game, the Cotton Bowl, 
>and _any_ bowl... beating Texas is the last thing they have to shoot for.

	Where is the Baylor-UT game to be played?
-- 
-------------------------------
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Tounging Your Sister
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 15:48:19 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov22.183828.28962@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
>     Ohio State and Michigan have tied this year, leaving both sides with the
>unfortunate duty of kissing their sisters. I've noticed that Michigan fans seem
>to be enjoying it, though, as this is their third time. 
>
>                                        Steve

Hey Steve, is that what you *think* or what you *hear* or what you *see*?
For God's sake, I am yet to see a Michigan fan cheers for the tie in this
newsgroup!  For all I know, Michigan fans *tease* Moeller for the tie.

Moeller is perhaps the only one who cheers the tie.  But since you used the
word "fans" instead of "fan", well, is that another woofing or what?


- Louis

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: FIVE WAC BOWL TEAMS????
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:23:10 -0700

I heard that 5 WAC teams are headed to bowls and
none of them have a Mr. Faulk on their team.

Holiday Bowl:
Hawaii vs Illinois

Freedom Bowl:
Fresno St. vs ???

Copper Bowl:
Utah vs WSU

Liberty Bowl:
Air Force vs ???

Aloha Bowl:
BYU vs Kansas or Oklahoma

Can anyone confirm this?

arthur