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From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Subject: Re: Canada and Sports Eats
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:21:33 GMT

In article 8800@regina.cs.uregina.ca, gorrie@hercules (Dennis Gorrie) writes:
>If you consider the amount of
>powerbars you would have to eat to approach 'toxic' levels, its just plain
>silly.  If you ate equivalent amounts (by weight) of oranges, you could
>have toxic reaction to the ascorbic acid.  Or if you were to eat an
>equivalent amount of bananas, you might experience potassium fever. 

So what's new? If strawberries were artificial they'd be banned due to
their high contents of two powerful allergenes. Now they're "natural"
so they're OK.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mprime@zinc.Berkeley.EDU (Michael B. Prime)
Subject: Re: Chain Suck on Mt Bike
Keywords: How to Stop?
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:12:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.193311.28359@bnr.ca> babineau@bmerh812.BNR.CA writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.181130.4340@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, mprime@zinc.Berkeley.EDU (Mike  Prime) writes:
>|> 
>|> My new bike (Specialized Stumpjumper Comp - Deore XT, Specialized crank
>|> and chainrings, Shimano hyperglide chain) has chain suck. What I mean by
>|> chain suck is that when I shift, under load, to the smallest chainring...
>
>Most problems with chain-suck or chain-slap are the result of poor shifting 
>practices. Normally this happens if you try shifting to a higher gear 
>on a bumpy downhill stretch. Try to shift into a high gear before descending
>down the hill and you shouldn't have any problems.
>
My problem occurs when shifting to the SMALLER chainring, as I said before.
And it occurs when shifting under load but not very much load. There should
be nothing wrong with doing this shift, but there is.

Mike
From: jra@bally.com (john andersson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Sidi "Confort" shoes anywhere?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:49:24 GMT
Organization: Bally Systems Division - Reno, NV

i watched a bike shop guy here in reno call a Sidi supplier about
ordering me a pair of Confort touring shoes - the sidi guy said they
have discontinued the model. anybody know if your local bike shop has
any left? size 43 is the size i'm looking for; cycle confort are the
blue (red a long time ago?), cleatless model. i want them for mountain
bike shoes, and am not quite ready for the new disco colored sidi mt. bike
shoes, mostly because of the cost (i could probably handle the colors...)

-- 
John Andersson
jra@bally.com
Bally Mfg. - Reno, NV
From: bradloff@tms390.micro.ti.com (Brian Radloff)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Road Tires
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:00:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: tms390.1992Aug19.220051.9992
Organization: Texas Instruments, Houston

steve@enterprise.den.mmc.com (Steve Gilbert) writes:

>In article <9208190034.AA20891@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>|> Brian Radloff writes:
>|> 
>|> > I think Conti Grand Prix clinchers are great.
>|> > [Some stuff deleted]
>|> > IMHO, these are the BEST clinchers on the road.
>|> 
>|> I'm not sure about the timing so I don't know whether you read my earlier
>|> posting on this subject but I would like to know what comparative evidence
>|> you have for these findings.  Formerly I heard similar endorsements of a
>|> Masi, Pogliaghi, Tomassini or Viner to mention a few, with similar missing
>|> evidence.  I think it is casually expressed in conversation but when it
>|> appears in print I think there must be a little more forethought involved.
>|> Is there more evidence to your statements than you write?
>|> 
>|> jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
>Jobst,
>I'm not sure that you comprehend what *IMHO* means !  The *O* stands
>for *opinion* !  Now to quote the American Heritage Dictionary:

>o*pin*ion n. 1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence, but not
>          substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.

>Therefore it follows that the *evidence* that you expect is *not* necessary,
>since nothing is to be proven for Mr. Radloff to have an *opinion*!!!

>Furthermore, if posting to this group subjects one to the scrutiny of
>a professional trade journal, then *we* should all sit back and wait for
>*you* to post your proofs on the best equipment, the best riding techniques,
>etc.  The *rest of us* couldn't possibly do any better and therefore are
>wasting our time! ;-)

>You have a lot to share with this group. Don't blow your credibility by jumping
>on everyone elses *opinion* that doesn't coincide with yours.
>--
>/\          Steve Gilbert
>  \         Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
>   \  /\    steve@xanadu.den.mmc.com
>    \/  \___

Steve, Thanks for the defense.

Jobst, I did not see your original post when I made this post.  I do not have any concrete
evidience to back up my feelings.  As Mr. Gilbert stated, this is strictly an opinion.  I
like the way my bike handles with these tires, it simply feels good.  It also seems that I
get good wear out of these tires as compared with others I've ridden.  But again, this is purely
and opinion, and the data is not documented.  I like these tires, and I plan to continue
riding on them as long as I get them for a good price or until I have the opportunity to try
some others.

--Brian 
  bradloff@micro.ti.com
From: afsidbb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Bender)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Mountain Bike Opinions Sought
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:25:58 GMT
Reply-To: afsidbb@cidsv07.Berkeley.EDU (Douglas Bender)
Organization: Environment Canada


   I am in need of personal experiences/opinions/hearsay regarding
Cannondale and Miata mountain bikes. A local cycle shop is having a great
sale "buy one at reg price and get a second for $100". My wife has her bike 
picked-out "Giant 760". I went for a test ride on a Cannondale M400. From
the brochure, the M400 seems like the entry model for the Cannondale line. Their
aluminum frames are the same throughout the line, only the components change.  
The bike is great but I didn't like the low-end Suntour gears. I found them sloppy
compared to the Shimano Deore line. The Miata has a Chrom-oly (sp???) frame
and comes with Shimano Deore Lx gears etc.

  I am going back for a second round of test rides on Monday. 

  You can send all advice/opinions etc via email and I'll post a summary if there's
interest.

   Thanks
      Doug

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: F.Brown@massey.ac.nz (F.J. Brown)
Subject: Lotus bike - what since the Olympics?
Summary: Where is The Body now?
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 02:09:11 GMT

The Lotus bike - info please?

Info wanted for club newsletter:  Could those netters who gave info on 
post-Olympic outings of the Lotus bike please re-post?

I'm interested in where the Lotus has been ridden since the Olympics, who 
rode it, and how it performed.   Also any other gossip on this bike.

Thanks,

Frith 
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Frith Brown                     E-mail:  F.Brown@massey.ac.nz
Agronomy Department             Phone:   +64 06 356 9099 ext. 8800
Massey University               Fax:     +64 06 350 5614
Palmerston North
New Zealand                     Do you Du it too?
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Gan Insurance to pick up Sponsorhip of Team Z
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:03:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <l8isj4INNi4h@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
>A French Insurance company, Gan, will take over sponsorship
>of Team Z.  Gan was a major sponsor of professional cycling
>in the 1970's.

Yahoo! More Greg LeMond and company!

Now if we can get the coverage of Andy Hampsten at the same level
as Greg's. 
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:20827 ba.transportation:1977 alt.activism:14817
From: bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ba.transportation,alt.activism
Subject: ISTEA workshop transcription available
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:04:10 GMT
Reply-To: bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bike2work

This is  is a transcription of the recently held conference
that the Bicycle Federation held on the new federal
transportation legislation, the *Intermodal Surface
Transportation Enhancement Act*.

Please send mail to John Allen if you're interested.

Bill

> From johna@cfa165.harvard.edu Thu Aug 13 20:56:08 1992
> Return-Path: <johna@cfa165>
> From: johna@cfa165.harvard.edu (John Allen)
> To: Bill.Micheljr@Eng
> Subject: ISTEA transcript
> 
> John McBride has sent me tapes of the ISTEA workshop and a BABC member is transcribing them.  Could you please post this on the net.  We will have the
> transcriptions available on MAC or IBM floppies.  I am interested in
> seeing how many people might want themn.  
--
Bill Michel			
bm@eng.sun.com		These views are my own, not Sun's.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 22:54:23 GMT

> jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore) writes:
>>byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes:

>>I haven't broken 50 yet, but I'll keep trying :-).
>>(Is there a faster-than-50 club in this group yet ? :-)

>If you must break the speed barrier, do it on a road that is safe
>for the speed.........

Like one made of 12 inch thick foam rubber?  I don't know what could pass for
a "safe" road at 55 mph.

Incidentaly, I've had mishaps at 55 mph with no crash.  One was while coming 
down NCAR road (in Boulder - long, steep, and no sharp curves).  Right in
the steepest, straightest part, when I'd quit looking at the computer (MAX
speed function takes over) I heard my rear tire explode.  I had a blow out.
I eased on the brakes and slowly came to a stop. No problem (except the
shaking).

This year I was coming down Sugarloaf Rd. (VERY steep). While braking hard in
a curve, after going 55 mph, I heard a BANG!  I decided to stop and see
what it was.  I'd broken a spoke.  Again, no problem.  I just had to remount
my rear wheel in the dropouts so that the tire wouldn't rub the chainstays
(it was "slightly" out of true).

For Cheryl, if you're still with me.  Relax, don't worry. If you start feeling
scared or out of control, just slow down.  Don't lock up your front brake,
but also, don't be afraid to use it to assist the rear brake.  If the bike
shimmies (the scariest feeling I've had while descending) grab the top tube
with your knees and it will stop.

I think you'll enjoy descending. There's nothing like it.  You're in control
(your brakes).  Just keep it that way.  If you're really digging it, keep both 
hands ready, on the brake levers, and get aerodynamic (knees and elbows in, 
butt way back).

And don't worry about your brakes heating up the rims and blowing the tire.
I've done many long, steep descents and never had or heard first hand of this 
problem.  [My blowout on NCAR was caused by a too worn tire.] 

Fly bike.

--
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     Boulder, Co. (303) 494-6278   internet:         canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: scd@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (steven.c.dittmann)
Subject: For Sale: Campagnolo Tubular bicycle wheelset
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:55:36 GMT
Keywords: brand new


For Sale: Campagnolo tubular wheelset.
Brand new condition, never ridden, never glued:

-  Campagnolo Record 6 speed freewheel hubset, 36 hole, 14 gauge spokes.
   130mm rear hub spacing is required.  Skewers included.
-  Campagnolo Sigma Pave tubular rims.
-  Maillard 6-speed 13x21 freewheel (threaded, NOT cassette.)
-  Vittoria Olymipionico training tubular tires (not Kevlar belted).
-  2 tubes of rim cement, and 1 small can of rim cement remover.

Asking $175 plus shipping.
Send E-mail for more info.

Steve Dittmann
scd@ixhawk.att.com
From: rhealy@arrl.org (Rus Healy, NJ2L)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:44:31 est
Organization: American Radio Relay League

In rec.bicycles, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>Tom Kunich writes:
>
>> I found that I fell down (12! times) after getting my clipless pedals
>> because my previous riding style was to roll up to a stop light and
>> do a track stand until it changed. 
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>Of course,
>there are instances in which the fall is unavoidable regardless of pedal
>system and these should not be incorrectly attributed.
>[more stuff deleted]

This is unquestionably true. But as a data point for all you non-
clipless riders who are now questioning the logic in "upgrading" to
an expensive shoe/cleat/pedal system that, according to dozens of 
net anecdotes, is *sure* to cause you to fall while you're getting
used to them, I offer this: I installed my Shimano dual-release
clipless pedals (Look compatible, about $100 from Performance) last
summer, and I've *never* fallen. One of the reasons I bought these
pedals is because they have two release modes: lateral (horizontal-
only, like conventional Look pedals) and "out-and-up" (diagonally). 
They also feature adjustable release tension in both modes. I 
thought that using low release tension and the angular release mode 
would help me learn to use these pedals without falling, and it 
worked. A Look user friend commented that he thought these pedals 
would be more likely to release when I didn't want them to (ie, 
climbing out of the saddle, sprinting, etc), but that hasn't 
happened either. After a couple of weeks with this setup (250 miles 
or so), I changed to the lateral-release mode and upped the 
release tension considerably, so they're basically configured 
like standard Look pedals.

BTW, for all the bitching I've heard about Performance and Nashbar,
I'd like to add that I've never had a negative experience with 
either, and I've spent a *whole bunch* of money with both. I also 
have a great local bike shop (Newington Bicycle, Newington, 
Connecticut), and now that the catalog and retail-store prices 
on brand-name stuff have come closer, I've started to spend a 
lot more of my cycling dollars locally. Only on big orders (where 
shipping, even overnight, is a lot cheaper than sales tax) do I 
still favor the mail-order companies.

>Since I ride my bike in all kinds of terrain, I encounter these things on
>a regular basis.  I don't ride an MTB.

I ride a road bike, only on the road. This may account for some of
my good fortune along these lines.

--Rus
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1 bikes...
Keywords: n
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:55:56 GMT

Sean Graves inquires:
> Why do you want fat tires on your new road bike?

When I first became interested in performance, my tires shrank down to
18-19mm, because they offered:
1) Lighter weight
2) Less rolling resistance

However, I found that fatter tires offered:
1) Much better comfort
2) Better rim protection
3) Fewer pinch flats
4) Better handling (IMAO)
5) Safer while partially or completely flat (ie. panic stop after blowout)

Since I couldn't feel the difference in rolling resistance, I didn't worry
about it.  As for weight - with wider tires I can use lighter wheels.

Consequently my tires have been gradually increasing in size; now I
typically ride 20mm front, 23mm rear racing; 25mm front, 28mm rear training
(I weigh 155 lbs).  28mm tires have enough volume to make dirt roads easy
and gravel survivable.  The larger tires provide more shock-absorption than
all the carbon-fiber in the world (IMAO).

That's why I'd never buy a road bike that couldn't take 28mm tires.
--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
"Blessed are they who Go Around in Circles, for they Shall
be Known as Wheels."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tye@elvis.mit.edu (Tye Brady)
Subject: A real pain in the foot
Keywords: injury,shoes
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:35:52 GMT

Hi everybody.

Problem:
On longer rides/races I find that my right foot get a nasty, arthritic  
like pain on the outside of the foot, just below the smallest pig.  It  
starts aching in the shoe on the ride at about mile 40+, and even worse  
after the ride when I take the shoe off.  I've experimented with different  
pressure with the two velcro straps, but it still has not solved the  
problem.

Another interesting note is that I had a bad ski accident this past  
January with my right leg and tore my calf muscle horizontally into two  
pieces.  It healed (me thinks) in a few months.

Equipment:
Time Equipe Carbon size nine (the size of my foot)
Time Criterium Pedal
Fit Kit performed at purchase

Questions:
Is this improper fit?  Does the ski accident have anything to do with  
this? Am I just over tightening my shoe?  Why is it just my right foot?

thanks mucho,
tye
From: caseb@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Chain Cleaners
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:11:32 EST

What is citrus degreaser made of?  If it's just citric acid it would
be easy and cheap to make a homemade solution.

Brian Case
From: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:58:20 GMT
Reply-To: tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.bicycles, berliner@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BERLINER MARTIN) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.172416.9170@adobe.com> byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer) writes

>>When descending, use the rear brake only, lightly, and
>>only when required.  Get your center of gravity down,

>Not if you need to slow down.  It has been reiterated several times on this
>newsgroup that the majority of your braking force is realized by the use
>of your front brake.

    I've found it useful to apply both brakes aproximately the same
amount, and feel for skips and skids of the rear wheel.  This holds
true in turns as well, though I'll often squeeze just a bit harder on 
the rear brake to make sure the rear wheel skid first.  
    When the rear wheel skids the front wheel is taking most of the 
weight, and so you are nearing either "endo" mode, or the front is about
to wash out in a turn.
    With this technique you get nice control of your braking force.
This assumes, of course, that you don't have any pressing need to panic
stop.

Tim Smith
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Heart Rate Monitors: What do you really use?
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:58:20 GMT

In article <rlewis.713730299@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) writes:
|> 
|> As far as I know all of the monitors have a high and low alarm and they are 
|> a good way to keep you from slacking off when training (especially
|> alone).  I would agree that basic models, like the Polar Pacer which I
|> use, are all that you need, unless you didn't already have a cycle
|> computer.
|> 

My Paramount HRM/cyclocomputer does not have high and low alarms.  I found
that, after a few rides with it, that I was never surprised during a training
ride by the displayed heart rate (i.e., I had a good idea what my heart rate
was, judging by how I felt).
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jcollias@src.dec.com (Jim Collias)
Subject: Magnesium Q
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:45:34 GMT


		Any metallurgists out there know the pros and cons of using 
	magnesium in the world of Mtn. biking ( Rock Shocks fork sliders, 
	framesets, small parts, etc...)?
		
		It it prone to corrosion?  Does it need to be painted or
	anodized or coated or whatever?  How does its stiffness and durability
	rate against aluminum and steel?
			
			Thanks,

				
			Jim C.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Stronglight MTB needle-roller headset
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 23:05:34 GMT

Looking at new headsets?

I saw the guts of a Stronglight MTB needle-roller headset yesterday.
Oddly, it is unsuited to about 50% of the MTBs.  It used to be common
that MTB stems had the front cable housing stop integrated.  This is a
dying tradition, with more bikes returning to a cable stop pinched
between the headset top race and the headset locknut.

On traditional headsets, the top race is locked in place with a
locknut.  On the Stronglight MTB headset, the upper race is held with
an Allen-head pinch bolt.  Using a slotted race and pinch bolt is light
and holds securely and avoids the need for a big wrench.  You can even
adjust the headset (or replace the bearings and races!) on the trail,
with just an Allen wrench.

Since the Stronglight ATB model lacks a lockring, there is no place to
put a cable housing stop for cantilevers.  If you need that, avoid the
ATB model.  As far as I see, the road model is equivalent, but uses a
traditional locknut.  You could replace the locknut with an aftermarket
pinch nut.

		;-D oN  ( It will hold in a pinch )  Pardo
From: jtp1@gte.com (John Pescatore)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Family Cycling
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:52:17 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Waltham MA

I am writing a book called "Family Cycling in the Washington DC Area,"
to be published in the spring by EPM. I am interested in any local 
folks ideas about good family rides (riding with kids.) I define good
family rides as on paths or roads with wide, smooth shoulders, level, safe, 5 - 20 miles in length, and ideally with parks, lakes, or playgrounds as stopping
points.

We have already ridden and I will include:
C and O Canal Towpath   		W&OD Rail Trail
Rock Creek Park				Baltimore Annapolis Rail Trail
North Central Rail Trail		Quiet Waters Park
Mount Vernon Trail			Oxford/St Michaels Loop
Columbia Ciy Paths			Youghiogheny River Rail Trail

Any others, especially in Northern Virginia or near Baltimore will
be a great help.

Thanks, John

FAX - 301-294-8652



-- 
John Pescatore
GTE Government Systems
301-294-8486
PESCATORE_JT@NCSD.GTE.COM