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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: What about the Agong?  [was: Discussion on Malaysian sultanate amendments]
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:54:54 GMT

Whay Sing Lee (wslee@almond-frost.ai.mit.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan27.044758.4972@keisu-s.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp>, chuah@sail-ss2.cc.u-tokyo.JUNET (Chuah Yeow Chiang) writes:

: |> 	Just wondering, why should the kings/rulers be given the immunity towards
: |> law. If they are not planning/tempting to do anything against the law, what
: |> difference will it make? Or is there anything that's against the law that they
: |> have to do to be a king/ruler?(or, to be respected,..) 
: |> 
: |> This is not restricted to the Sultans in Malaysia, but all the rulers of the 
: |> world. And it's out of pure curiosity, no insults intended.

: 	on that note, can anyone tell us if the Agong still has the power
: to pardon law-breakers?    And does the Agong still have the privileges
Yes ,no.
: that were strip off the sultans ?


: whay.
: p/s: let's keep this thread out of soc.asean.singapore,  I think some of our 
: neighbours are getting annoyed ...

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: 10792759@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (YEW YAP)
Subject: Anyone from Taylor's College,1990?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:35:23 GMT

I wonder if any of my former classmates from Taylor's College, Subang Jaya 
are in this newsgroup. I was in Group C in 1990. 

I would appreciate it greatly if any of my former classmates sends me a mail.

Thank you.

Alexander Yap.
From: x92raja1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Further disc. on Sultans
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:36:01 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

	We must understand how long ago that our Prime Minister wanted to
abolish the rulings of the Sultans and Kings. Bit by bit he is deterioting
the powers of the Sultans just because some of them have showed obliviences
towards him as the PM. 
	I've heard of these plans before, a few years ago, but the PM did
not manage to get hold of all of the Sultans point of views. Now that no
one in the cabinet has dared to oppossed the new ruling on our existing
Sultans, nobody will, as far as anyone can see.
	It is true that Sultans should not interfere with our country's
economic policy and the way our country is safe-guarding against any
outside intervention. But we should still keep Sultans as the head of
man, country, and it's religion. And we should still look up to them in 
many a way, and respect as we have done before, in the early decades.
	It is also true that some privileges should be considered in the
near future, but I have also seen that some people who are related to the
Sultan, taking big privileges. I say, take away privileges other then the
Sultan and his family (i.e. his sons and daughters), to the ones who are 
not closely related to him.
	Of course, it is easier said then done, but if anyones the head of
the government should and would be able to see that, our Sultans are still
borned with a sense of respect and honor. But I've also understood the way
some of our Sultans behaving misdeamourningly. That, I really don't under-
stand. And that is the way what our PM has done to strip their immunity of
the law. I feel that something of that sort should've been done some years
back, and it has be done. If no one can stand against Sultans, when rights
have been strip of backs of commoners and countrymen, I don't see
why Sultans shouldn't be given a sense of common of their own.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Further disc. on Sultans
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:35:48 GMT

twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu wrote:
: >near future, but I have also seen that some people who are related to the
: >Sultan, taking big privileges. I say, take away privileges other then the
: >Sultan and his family (i.e. his sons and daughters), to the ones who are 
: >not closely related to him.
: >	Of course, it is easier said then done, but if anyones the head of
: >the government should and would be able to see that, our Sultans are still
: >borned with a sense of respect and honor. But I've also understood the way

: 	A man, no matter what position he holds, is no better than an
: animal if they started drinking liquor, flirting with women who are not
: their wives, doing an unjustified killing and other immoral things.

Anyone who accuses of wrong doing EVERYONE in a group, is as guilty as the
wrong doers. You must be specific and have proofs especially with 
zina(adultery). Have you seen with your own eyes that they are doing it.
In ISLAM, flirting with women is not a crime proviced they be turned into
wives. This flirting not only occurs among royalty.


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Xref: sparky soc.culture.asean:9219 soc.culture.vietnamese:19721
From: luism@genesis.Berkeley.EDU (Luis Miguel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian-american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Looking for CAMBODIAN translators/editors/typesetters
Keywords: cambodian, translate, typeset
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:00:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley

If you are interested in working as a freelance cambodian translator,
please call us, or respond by e-mail indicationg your name, phone number,
email address, and your mailing address.

Work is mostly from English into Cambodian.

/Luis MIguel, PhD
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-- 
Luis Miguel. Computer Science Division, UC Berkeley.
arpanet: luis@cs.Berkeley.EDU         
uucp: {ihnp4,decvax}!ucbvax!genesis!luism                   
at&t: (916) 756-5834
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: liew@pico.engr.mun.ca (Lou Tattwah Liew)
Subject: Semiconductor Industry Park in Penang, Malaysia
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:18:16 GMT

Hello World

I'm working a paper on Semiconductor Industry Park in Penang, Malaysia.
Anybody who has informations on the type, size and basic characteristics
of the industry, its location, the timing of its construction and its
operational life or knows where to reach them, please write me!


Lou
liew@jeeves.engr.mun.ca

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS, IN INDIA
Reply-To: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:56:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.094241.18067@nuscc.nus.sg>, eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (Tan Jin Meng) writes:
>Too liberal with the capslock key don't you think?
>
>People who need to shout to say something turn me off.
>
>BTW Romans invented Christianity? That's news to me.
>
>If this thing were universal, why are all the examples Christian
>related?

	Good point. I thought Buddhism would closer resembles these
people.

>
>I would be interested in the source of this message. What's the point
>here?
>
>jin meng
From: x92lim5@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: !!!!HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR!!!!
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:43:58 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University


Fellow netters,

                Happy Chinese New Year!! Peace, Wealth and Prosperity
be with you always. (By the way this is the year of the Rooster.)

                                        
 Ziggy.
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Discussion on Malaysian sultanate amendments
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:37:59 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1993Jan25.172314.3498@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip) writes:

> By the end of last week, Dr Mahathir had moved forward the big guns.  In
> future, he said, funds would be given to the royalty only in strict
> accordance with regulations.  In effect, this means the withdrawal of
> many millions of dollars from the royal purses.

> Each day fuller stories of alleged royal misdemeanours have emerged. 
> One sultan is said to have been in the habit of opening fire on vehicles
> careless enough to come close to royal motorcades.  Another is said to
> have sold timber concessions worth millions of dollars to pay debts.
> There have been tales of manslaughter and in one case, murder, with
> allegations made in parliment that a sultan killed his golf caddie.

	Expect to see more grants of "Datuk", "Tan Siri", "JP" etc. as a source
of income of the Sultan to maintain their living standards :).

Jack Teh
From: lteo_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Leslie Teo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Kuala Lumpur Composite Index for Wednesday Jan 20 1993
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:48:15 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <93022.071756ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET> ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET (C. Ng) writes:
>
>   Though the news might have an unknown impact on the financial market
>in Kuala Lumpur, the size of the market itself is simply too small for
>us to use the information-driven financial eficiency hypothess to pass
>any conclusive judgment.  As of last summer, my reliable sources in
>Bank Negara told me that market capitalization is still at its
>embryonic stage.  Malaysia didn't even have any organized bond
>market as of last summer.  Suprisingly, K.L. does have a futures
>exchange on tin whose future is really in question now.
>
Don't know much about financial markets in S'pore or Malaysia. Just
wondering if you are saying that markets in M'sia are too small; hence
most of financial theory, like the efficient market hypothesis, would
not apply.
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: About that soc.culture.malaysia thingy
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:07:51 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

Hiya people,
	Long time no see...  I see a lot of people are caught in the
soc.culture.malaysian thing.  Most people who wants scm to be up seems to be,
uh, ignorant about the tradition of sca...  esp when discussions tend towards
the more, volatile, shall we say, topics.  Another thing is to go back and read
the past week's worth of postings.  Most were big big contributors to the noise
to signal ratio.
	Should a newsgroup be created just so that we can all go in and "make
noise"???
	Having said that, I do believe it's time to create scm since the other
countries are already represented by their respective sc.* groups.  To the nay
sayers, I used to say nay too, since I had hoped that everyone can contribute
to sca to further the understanding between the various countries and cultures
of the asean world.  However, most have opted out after observing the countless
useless flame wars here.  Someone actually posted that it's good to flame!  So
now, in effect, sca is actually scm.  Why not make it "legal"?  SCA will still
be here.  I will still subscribe to sca in addition to scm.
	To all those people who keep posting their names and the universities
they go to, PLEASE!!  Learn to read!  Voting has *NOT* begun yet!  And you
*DON'T* post your votes to the group, very big waste of bandwidth.  Contrary to
popular belief, what you post here reflects on you, and some of it even ends up
in some people's archive...  I have posted stupid things before, but I try not
to..  too much... !-P
	Ciao.

-Tai
ps:  Yo Roland, I see you finally found sca, huh??  :) :)
From: afs2@po.CWRU.Edu (Ahmad F. Shaarani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS, IN INDIA
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:38:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: af@po.CWRU.Edu (Ahmad F. Shaarani)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu () says:

>
>
>     The "Sant Mat" organization, with their Perfect Living Master, Maharaj
>Gurinder Singh Ji, (referred to in the following article), is headquartered in
>Punjab, India:
>
>
>                             THE DIVINE MASTERS       
>      
>               Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that 
>          Jesus Christ was a perfect living Master, and a projection of 
>          God into the physical world, God Incarnate. 
>          
>               But there are some very important related facts that 
>          Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are followers of 
>          most other world religions. 
>           
>               First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16 NOTWITH-
>          STANDING.  There is ALWAYS at least one such perfect living 
>          Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this world AT ALL 
>          TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT HISTORY, both 
>          before and after the life of Jesus. 
>     

My honest opinion: What kind of sick joke is this?
-- 
Ahmad Faisal Adham Shaazi        |
Computer Engineering             | 
Case Western Reserve University  | 
Cleveland Ohio USA               |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: txb31@isuvax.iastate.edu (Albert K.T.Tan)
Subject: NO soc.culture.malaysia NO NO NO
Reply-To: txb31@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:49:45 GMT

	I strongly disagree the creating of newsgroup soc.culture.malaysia (or
whatever...) Instead of reading whole bunch of messy newsgroups of Malaysia,
Indonesia, etc, we can post the article with a clearly subject.

	For example, if someone is posting a article discussing about
Indonesia, he or she should write the subject :

	INDONESIA : ....

Or if he or she is discussing about Asean, then the subject should look like
this :

	ASEAN : Islands in South China Sea

because this issue involves some asean countries.

	Therefore, all the articles should have the following subjects next
time.

	ASEAN : ...
	INDONESIA : ...
	MALAYSIA : ...
	SINGAPORE : ...
	THAILAND : ...
	...

	If a reader is only insterested in Singapore, then he or she just
simply selects subjects with 'SINGAPORE.'

	This will work better than seperating the newsgroup.

	You may think this won't work very well. Well, if you subscribe some
newsgroups like alt.binaries.pictures, you will find that a organized
subject is better than the different newsgroups. 

	Besides, just see how messy of comp.forsale.computer.others,
comp.forsale.computer.pc.clone newsgroups is after they have been seperated
from comp.forsale.computer.


	Again, I say NO for creating of soc.culture.malaysia.

	PLEASE VOTE FOR ---NO---
	NO! NO! NO!      

Albert K.T.Tan

   / \\\\ / E-Mail : txb31@isuvax.iastate.edu /  Computer Science Major    /
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tan@cae.wisc.edu (Chee Tan)
Subject: Re: rule : vote of soc.culture.m'ysia
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 21 Jan 93 05:27:52 CST

In article <C145wA.6MM@news.iastate.edu> twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>In article <000444t.13.727045444@ace.acadiau.ca>, 000444t@ace.acadiau.ca (JESSICA TAN) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan14.181234.1184@meeg2.uark.edu> ycw@meeg2.uark.edu (WONG YEK CHING) writes:
>>>From: ycw@meeg2.uark.edu (WONG YEK CHING)
>>>Subject: rule : vote of soc.culture.m'ysia
>>>Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1993 18:12:34 GMT
>>
>>> First of all, I would like to cast my vote for soc.culture.malaysia            
>>
>>>Also I would like to make a few commends regard the voting procedure.
>>
>>>1. Only malaysian is allowed in this matter because it only concern about
>>>   malaysian.  And if any non-malaysian disagree please "post" the reason.
>>
>>>2. The voters please identify themselves; name, state (malaysia), institution    
>>
>>>My id.
>>
>>>   Name : Wong Yek Ching
>>>   State : Sibu, Sarawak
>>>   institution : U of Arkansas, Fayettevile
>>
>>>ycw
>>>            ***** COUNT ME IN FOR SOC.CULTURE.MALAYSIA ******
>>
>>
>>	I am casting a YES-VOTE to soc.culture.malaysia.  My ID:
>>	Name: Jessica Tan
>>	State: Penang
>>	Institution: Acadia University, Canada.
>
>	YES-VOTE FOR SOC.CULTURE.MALAYSIA
>	
>
>
>
		*****ANOTHER GIG FOR SOC.CULTURE.ASEAN*****
	I will vote YES and YES to soc.culture.malaysia.
	Name : Chee-Yan, Tan
	State : J.B, Johor
	Institution : University of Wisconsin - Madison
		*******************************************
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip)
Subject: Thailand plans tax incentives to attract investors
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:58:53 GMT

Thailand, facing a sharp fall in inward foreign investment, yesterday
announced plans to attract new investors and ease congestion in Bangkok
by refining tax incentives and putting more emphasis on development in
the provinces.

Approaches by foreign investors to the Board of Investment (Bol) fell
for the third year in a row in 1992, with the value of foreign capital
registered in new applications dropping to Bt12bn from nearly Bt25bn in
1991.  The total value of proposed investments in domestic and foreign
applications fell by a quarter to Bt213bn.

Although actual investment in 1992 remained high - reflecting earlier
applications - Thai officials are anxious to ensure a steady inflow of
foreign money to finance the next stage of the country's industrial
development.

Mr Staporn Kavitanon, BoI sec-gen, told a meeting of the European
chambers of commerce in Bangkok yesterday that the decline in foreign
investments was due to a combination of "political instability in
Thailand, the opening-up of new cheap labor sites in the region, the
well-known infrastructure and manpower constraints of our nation, and
the recession in world markets".

BoI officials are proposing a number of changes to Thailand's incentive
scheme for investors, including benefits for companies which move
factories away from Bangkok and increased incentives for investments in
the provinces furthest from the capital. The plan is to put the emphasis
on location rather than export promotion when it comes to granting BoI 
privileges to potential investors.  The BoI board will be considering
these proposals later this month.

Despite the downturn in applications, Mr Staporn said he was comforted
by the knowledge that investment would be sustained by a series of large
infrastructure projects and by the increasing number of new projects in
areas that would deepen Thailand's industrial base.

Taiwanese investment in Thailand has fallen sharply, as it has in
Malaysia, but this reflects the fact that Taiwanese businesses are
locating "screw-driver" assembly operations anbd textile factories in
countries with cheaper labor costs, such as Vietnam.

Meanwhile, Japanese and European companies are using Thailand for
investments in more sophisticated sectors such as chemicals and
automotive componments.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.singapore
From: dyip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (dawei yip)
Subject: Status of Maersk Navigator, supertanker
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:35:57 GMT

Status of the supertanker, Maersk Navigator
-------------------------------------------

dated 26 January 1993


The Danish owners of the Maersk Navigator, the fully laden supertanker
involved in a collision at the northerly entrance of the Strait of
Malacca last Thursday, said yesterday that a fire on board was been
contained and that oil leakage from the vessel had been reduced.  There
is no idea whether the double hull structure is holding up since it is
still to hot for engineers to examine the structure.

The supertanker, which was carrying nearly 2m barrels of crude oil, is
being kept out at sea and towed to an area about 80 miles west of the
northern tip of the Indonesian island of Sumatra and about 60 miles
south of the Indian Nicobar islands.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Further disc. on Sultans
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:45:58 GMT

twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu wrote:
: >: 	A man, no matter what position he holds, is no better than an
: >: animal if they started drinking liquor, flirting with women who are not
: >: their wives, doing an unjustified killing and other immoral things.
: >
: >Anyone who accuses of wrong doing EVERYONE in a group, is as guilty as the
: >wrong doers. You must be specific and have proofs especially with 
: >zina(adultery). Have you seen with your own eyes that they are doing it.

: 	Hey, I did specifically say "flirting", not fornication.  
: Watch my words carefully, you idiot. 

: >In ISLAM, flirting with women is not a crime proviced they be turned into

: 	Not a crime? Did the Quran not say, "do not go NEAR zina"
Do you know what NEAR ZINA is? It is NEAR but it does not mean that you cannot
get to know women with the intention of marrying her. In fact in the hadith
somewhere it is encouraged that we know the background of the woman that
we mant to marry. In fact our ustaz in fact told us to see more of her self.

: (wala taqrabus zina).  I wonder what did you do to your wife before
: you marry her...
How can I marry her if I do not even know or talk to her before.

: >wives. This flirting not only occurs among royalty.
: >

: 	Agreed. As in your case, one did not  have be a royalty to
: be an idiot.
Maybe you're not an idiot if you think you can marry a woman without even
flirting with her, even the slightest bit.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: GREETING FROM CANADA TO S'PORE
From: $chiucs@brandonu.ca
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:24:35 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

  
       HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!
        
         GREETING FROM CANADA,Brandon.
             TO EVERYONE FROM SINGAPORE AND ANYONE READING THIS!!!
            
        Hi ! Poor me , this is my third year away from home !!
       Miss the new year food back home, anyone like to send me some...!!!????
           Just joking !!!!  But,........
							CHORNG SHIANG
 					
                                        
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
Subject: Re: Tanker on Fire in Straits of Malacca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:24:37 GMT

ajpbart@adam.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Barter) writes:

>Australian Radio has just reported that a Danish owned, Singapore registered
>oil tanker has collided with another (empty) tanker at the northern end of
>Straits of Malacca. The full tanker is on fire and has been abandoned by
>its crew. It is carrying 100,000 tons of crude oil! It is a very large,
>modern tanker!!!  Malaysian maritime and environmental officials are on
>alert. Its name is 'The Navigator'. It is one of the world's largest
>oil tankers. This latest accident appears to vindicate Malaysia's call
>for tighter controls on shipping in the Strait. It was not known if
>the ship was leaking oil or not.

>Paul B.

Here's the latest from CBC Morning News....

	The tanker is on fire and the sailors who abandoned ship 
were picked up by psssing ships.  Singapore has sent firefighters 
to fight the blaze and whether the tanker is leaking is still 
unknown.  There is 100,000 litres of crude oil in the tanker.  The tanker
is now drifting on the strait.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: song@ee.ualberta.ca (Ong)
Subject: Anyone from Penang ?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:47:52 GMT

Hi ! I'm looking for who are from Penang...If u r, e-mail to me. I just want to know how many People are actually from Penang all around the world. Thanks


E-mail address : song@bode.ee.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean