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From: jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley)
Subject: INTERNET Public Access from JAPAN Help?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:53:09 GMT

I need to get info on Public Dial access to INTERNET in Japan.  Can anyone
out there help me.  Thanks.  

   Jim Turley
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Subject: Re: Some Thoughts on s.c.j
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 13:36:42 GMT

In article <TFaVXB4w165w@batpad.lgb.ca.us> larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry Greenfield) writes:

   I *TOO* don't like having to wade through messages on subjects I 
   don't like (whether they be Yaohan or sumo), but I'd appriciate it if 
   people don't act like jerks and post stuff like NUKE ALL THE YAOHANS 
   posts.  I couldn't care LESS about sumo,but realize that there are 
   probably those out there who do, so I leave it be, and just hit the 
   <n> key at the <More?> prompt, instead of crowding the 
   already-crowded message base with MORE messages demeaning this.

Better yet, get your site to use the "nn" newsreader. Or read it from
emacs with GNUS. Either of those lets you kill unread messages you are
not interested in. But it's amazing to see how many people are so
bothered that other people are communicating on the internet things
that are of no personal interest to themselves (I hope that reference
is clear enough). They remind me of toddlers who can't stand that
someone else is getting to use a toy they don't happen to be
interested in.

RB

-- 
|"The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who  |
| have loved it." -- George Santayana  // Opinions expressed here, when |
| clear and persuasive, are my own. --Rob Brueckner (rhb@world.std.com) |
From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: JWP for mac
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:51:25 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <C16CJx.GGM@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> bobbyr@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bobby Richardson) writes:

   Isn't there any Japanese word processor for mac?
   I don't really care whether it is freeware or commercial ware.
   Your reponse is very appreciative.
   Do umo ari gato gozaimasu.

   Watashi wa Nihon no mangato animeo ski desu.

Sure, there are several. I've been using EG Word for a few years now
and it's satisfactory for most things. But I'm gearing up to get
Solowriter, which is produced by Nisus Software. It requires the
System 6 Japanese operating system or the new Japanese language module
(excuse me if this is not the correct way to describe this) that will
be available for System 7.1. It costs about $400, but if it's as good
in Japanese as Nisus is in English, then it will truly be a dream come
true.

RB


-- 
|"The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who  |
| have loved it." -- George Santayana  // Opinions expressed here, when |
| clear and persuasive, are my own. --Rob Brueckner (rhb@world.std.com) |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: tony2@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (gozdz,antoni s)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese names & Finnish names
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:24:58 GMT
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

In article <1k49ut$ps7@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:
>Bulgarian is a Turkic tongue, as far as last week's lecture on Japanese
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Are you serious? or I didn't get the joke... Turkish did leave a
strong imprint in its vocabulary, but it is as Slavic a language as any.

>linguistics went.  
>The steppe does extend geographically and culturally into Bulgaria.  
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	A quick look into any geography textbook will disprove this statement. 

>On the other hand, since just about every town in Eastern Europe
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>speaks a different language, there could be dozens of Bulgarian languages
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	What a bunch of nonsense! It's even hard to argue with this.
	Or is this a picture of the world as seen from California ;-)?

>each belonging to separate language classes, with interactions between 
>every single dialect reflecting historically pulsating borders & 
>12-dimensional political/economic interactions.  America was headed in this
-----------------------stuff deleted--------------------

	I don't think that posting in a Japanese culture-oriented group
	absolves you from trying to be at least a bit more accurate wrt 
	other cultures.

Tony
tony2@cc.bellcore.com
From: tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Sumo - Hatsu Basho (Day 12)
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:03:48 GMT
Organization: UBS Phillips & Drew INT'L Ltd. TOKYO, JAPAN

I really believed that Musashimaru was going to break the jinx as his sumo
has been so excellent in the past days. But he failed to beat Akebono at
his sixth attempt. Ake used sash technique, where he has improved more
than Musashi despite still not being that good, and marched him out
after a brief exchange of thrusts. Wakahanada went low rapidly, seizing
Daishoyama's sash and pushing him out after a short bout (lots of quick
Sumo last night). Daishoyama and Akebono share the lead at 10-2, but I
doubt that Daishoyama cab win more than one of the remaining three. He should
get Kantosho anyway, and maybe ginosho. Takahanada also went low for the
sash, this time not even bothering to try tsuppari on Konishiki's 260 kgs.
With his head burried in the big Hawaiian's chest fat, he resisted several 
attempts to drive him out. Konishiki again showed good balance control, but
his last drive took him a little forward, with Taka at the edge stepping
to the side and sending Konishiki on all fours. Taka shares second place with
Konishiki and Naminohana. Wakashoyo made quick work of Kotonishiki, who 
went head first and quickly hit thin air as his foe had stepped aside, and then
the dirt. Akinoshima owed only to his experience to beat Kotobeppu in along
bout where both wrestlers had very low postures and hands on ech other's
sashes, eventually driving Mr Comeback of the Year out for his eighth win.

Winner	Wins	Loser	Wins


Tochi'F(j) 7	Tatsu	2
Kenko	8	tama	2
KF	8	KasugaF	4
Toki	3	Kyokugo	3
Nami'H	9	Mito	6
K'W	6	Kiraiho	6
T'nami	8	Mai'U	7
Tochi'W	8	Kyokudo	7
Kita	5	Terao	4
Ogi'H	5	Ttoriki	3
WHda	8	DshoY	10
Kinazuma7	TomoeF	5
Misugi	5	Toyo'U	5
Aki'S	8	Kbeppu	8
KuSU	5	Dshoho	2
Tmisugi	3	daizen	4
Wshoyo	7	KN	7
Akebono	10	Musashi	8
THda	9	KoN	9

Today's Main bouts

Akebono		Kotonishiki
Daishoyama	Konishiki
Takahanada	Musashimaru
-- 
    __  _    
** ||_ /_| **   Fred "I'll be" Bach   (kddlab!ubspd.co.jp!tobac@uunet.uu.net)
** || /__| **   [Je suis athee, Dieu merci.]          Tel. 813-3597-1595
From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: More Earthquakes
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:31:29 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <1993Jan21.002248.18866@schbbs.mot.com>, 
F10218@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Nick Yanagisawa) writes:

=> The Hurrican Andrew was strong, but most of the damages were results of
=> poor worksmanship than anything else.....
=> 
=> It seems to me that a lot of builders/carpenters are the people who do
=> not have a "real" job, have no skills or brains (did not graduate high
=> school), or drifters (people who move constantly from city to city).
=> I don't think many of them went through the apprenticeship, they just
=> became builders/carpenters somehow.  In Japan, people have to go through
=> long period of aprrenticeship before they are consider builders/capenters
=> Agree?

Not entirely. There are building codes in place in most of the US.
I think you have to be clever in many cases to shortcut the codes
and make extra profit by cheating the customer. There are also
building inspectors, some of whom make a prime consideration of
getting a little grease money to overlook faults, or even to
bypass the inspections altogether. I wouldn't put the blame
entirely on lack of skill or training, and many people working
for builders are well trained and experienced.

(My family runs a small construction company.)

My Japanese father-in-law recently completed construction on a
very nice home near Yamagata City. I visited there a couple of
times while the construction was underway. The carpenters who
did most of the rough work were farmers who did that as a part
time job. When cherry season and rice planting season were in
full swing, all construction stopped for a few weeks. A lot
of the basic framework and interior/exterior walls were at
least largely of a mass produced pre-fab type of construction,
so not a lot of skill was required by the workmen to build
the basic house. After the shell was completed however, some
highly skilled (and expensive I understand) artisans completed
the interior woodwork, built-in cabinets, and the like. Some
of the trim, such as beautiful carved panels above some of
the doorways, were recovered from older homes that had been
torn down.

At least for that home, part of it was built by 'amateurs'.

- Bill Lambert
From: speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Subject: Re: Car Quality? (was: Honda vs....
Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:05:45 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

Original Message From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
 
>larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry Greenfield) writes:
 .
 .
>>Well, it was noisy, gas-guzzling for the type of driving and size of car,
>>vibrating, and was lacking basic "idiot" ideas that you'd find in any
>>car.  It got us from here to there, but if it were me buying the car...
>>sad to say, it wouldn't have been the Daihatsu. I wonder how the 4-door
>>sedans are/were.
>
>What do you expect from a price tag of Daihatsu Charade? It is the
>cheapest passenger car sold in Australia if you disregard a Russian
>midget car, Bizi, or a Daihatsu Mira (both have a 600cc engine).
>You can buy two Charades for the price of a Mazda or a Honda. Charade
 
Not that you would want any of them, would you? I certainly wouldn't
be caught dead [turn of phrase not apt at this point] in a Charade or
any of those "toy" cars. Ever seen one of them after a side impact at
30 Km/h - even with the flimsy anti-intrusion bar, those wafer-thin
doors offer no protection at all. Give me an old Falcon or Kingswood/
Monaro any day.... [For those who don't know the Falcon is produced by
Ford and the Kingswood/Monaro was produced by GM-Holden].
 
You know a friend once backed out into the street into an oncoming
Toyota Camry - POW!!! The Camry was a practical right-off and the old
Ford ended up with a big dent in the bumper and a bit of a dent in the
rear quarter panel! Fuel economy and electronic gadgetry may be great
but it isn't much good if you are dead or seriously injured.
 
>is slightly cheaper than a Hyundai 3-door hatchback. Having
>that in mind, I would happily report that it runs far better than
>Yugo, VW Bug, Citroen Le Car or 2CV or Fiat 500 (aka Bambino in Oz).
 
Hey, what's wrong with the Bug - I like the idea of slamming on the
brakes in the wet and doing 360 degree turns - sort of livens up your
life.
 
>At least it is neither an enviornmental hazard nor biodigradable.
 
All cars are an environmental hazard - some process of their
manufacture involves producing/consuming toxic chemicals. Not many
cars are made of compressed paper, thank goodness.
From: tanaka@til.til.com (Yokichi Tanaka)
Subject: Re: Is this offensive?
Organization: Togai InfraLogic, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:55:59 GMT

In article <MARTINC.93Jan24112944@grover.cs.unc.edu>, martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
|> Us old folks remember that "Nip" was a euphemism invented for Hollywood
|> use after the JACL convinced people that "jap" *was* offensive.
|>

No comment on your age. :-)  Today, however, both words are quite
offensive.  Jap is probably more offensive than Nip, but
that doesn't mean Nip is OK.

-- 
Yoke Tanaka                Togai InfraLogic, Inc.       "fuzzy"
tanaka@til.com             5 Vanderbilt, Irvine, Calif 92718, USA
gordius!til!tanaka         714-975-8522
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: speaking of Mori Ohgai...
Date: 26 Jan 1993 08:29:25 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <jwb.728025247@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> writes:
>
>>                   $@$H$J(J                     
>>    $@%W%k%?!<%8%e!W$H>'$&$kB_K\20$N>.@b(J     
>
>Funny. I can only find $@>'$($k(J  $@!J$H$J$($k!K(J

I believe it _is_ "tona-eru".  It's just an archaic usage.
It's difficult to read (impossible for me) the works of 
Ougai and his contemporaries because of these old grammars
(I guess it's preserved in bungo, however) and old, unsimplied
kanjis.  All is not lost, however. There are versions of his
works "translated" into modern Japanese.

>>[PS: Yes, I know $@2*30(J is not the right kanji for ``Ohgai'', but JIS only
>>     has $@2*(J for O/kamome, not the traditional character.]
>
>Isn't it?  Edict has $@2*30(J read as $@$*$&$,$$(J. This presumably came
>from the wnn pubdic.

I've seen it written as indicated, but perhaps in old
kanjis it was different (more complicated looking).
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Akutagawa Ryuunosuke
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:49:38 GMT
	<C1I7w3.D7s@cmcl2.nyu.edu>
Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr.L.T. Maloney writes:

.

> 
>Are you sure Asano-san is a person and not a computer
>program? His writing style reminds me of PARRY,
>and he *IS* posting from Carnegie Mellon ....

This is horrible! I hate artificial intelligence! >>:< >>:< >>:< (I saw
this in 
a magazine about the E-mail. It also gave this corny map of the supposed
geographical structures of the system. Now get this. South Africa, All
of North America, almost all asia, all of Astrailia and very few parts
of africa were in red which is supoosed to mean that these are highly
*on-line areas. Yeah, right!
And my name is... "Eat unko for breakfast") ( all the world. HAAAA!)
Anyway, their is a great book by a great man from a not so good school
wrote a book called- What computers can't do! I read this book and found
that this individaul  
is before his time. Talk about Black Sabbath's Ironman; this guy is awesome!
From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Speaking of Y. MIshima
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:04:40 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
NNTP-Posting-Host: schutz.ee.uts.edu.au

The battle is close but I vote that HR has overtaken RA in looniness.
It is so close I can't help but thinking they are the same person.

robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson) writes:

>Less greedy people have less kids, so go extinct; consequently,
>poverty is perpetuated.  

People have children out of greed? And his idea of genetic greediness and
genetic wealth is good too. 

>The Catholic church supports people to keep having
>kids, since the religion has a talent to appeal for the poor.  Keep having
>kids, the rich are evil.  

So catholics say "have children". So catholics are these greedy people?  

>Ideally, the followers can control their libido so they stop multiplying
>like rabbits.  

So catholics say "don't have children". Good one: contradicts previous
sentence! A master stroke. So catholics are not these greedy people. 

>Hence, a platonic clergy.  Evidence 
>suggests that libido is an unextinguishable human desire, so either the
>church will have to become more lenient towards birth control, or expect the
>population to max out to a violent malthusian equilibrium.  

Oh, catholics say "do have children" after all. Not as good a reversal
as the previous: it took two sentences this time! 

>The problem
>with the latter notion is that in an overcrowded world, some 3rd-world countrieswill have access to nuclear bombs, and all the anguish resulting from economic 
>inequality will lead to armageddon.  The church has a faith in humanity that
>they can intervene to prevent this, but then do they expect to convert all
>humans to their way of thinking?  

So catholics say "don't have children" again, and want to convert everyone
to universal celibacy?

>Islam has many more followers than Christianity, in high-growth areas of
>the world.

Since most of North and South America, Europe, Australia, and much of Africa,
not to mention the Philipines, are nominally christian, that's an
interesting claim.  I thought approx 1/4 of the world were nominally
christian. In USA alone, Catholicism has grown by 20% in the last 10 years,
and America clearly doesn't have an overpopulation/underproduction problem
but a distribution problem.

-ricko

PS - R Asano seems to have lost his SHIFT KEY compulsion, I wonder if
Henry can learn what the return key does?  



Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ksbeh@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Tere K.S. BEH)
Subject: Re: Japanese name !!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:34:18 GMT

In article <7659@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com>, blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
> In article <C17wzv.4t7@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, 
> ksbeh@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Tere K.S. BEH) writes:
> => Sorry guys and gals.  I would like to know how can I tell by 
> => his or her name if he/she is a guy or a gal . Just curious.
> => 
> => Is there any formula for it ? 
> 
> Yes... Albert Einstein derived it in 1922.
> 
> 	He = mc squared
> 
> (Sorry)

So funny huh ?
From: hughes@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Martin Hughes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: AKEBONO MAKES YOKAZUNA
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:26:16 GMT
Organization: Institute of Physical & Chemical Research (RIKEN) Saitama,Japan

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>I am glad Akebono became yokozuna.  
Me too!

>There was one thing that bothered me.  When Akebono pushed Takahanada
>out, in the back was a wildly cheering Japanese lady ... probably in
>her 50's.  But when they panned out for a shot of the entire arena,
>it was really quiet. 

Sorry to contradict you on this one, but NO IT WASN'T - I was
there, for one, and making a hell of a noise!  So was everyone else
around where I was (13th row, 2nd floor, North Side).

 >Was I witnessing sour-grapes from Takahanada fans and pro-Japan fans?

To be honest, I was surprised by the amount of support Akebono had
in this fight.  Within my auditory range the Akenbono shouters
outnumbered the Tak supporters by (I would guess) at least 5:1.
There were even several young Japanese girls, who I had down as
definite Tak supporters, who were shouting for Akebono (just goes
to show something about apperances and misconceptions!!).  I 
suspect that something that was happening was that everyone was
stunned it was all over so fast.  We had been waiting all day for the
fight, hoping maybe for a play-off (better value for money!-there
was only one lower division play-off, and we had missed out on the
definite possibility of a Juryo playoff, with Asanowaka and Asanonami + 1 other going into the final day all with 4 losses)
and then it was over REAL fast.

>I bet had Takahanada won, the place would have been roaring.

Well, yes, but so would I - because of the 3 way play-off, if nothing
else!

>Sumo fans in Japan, tell us.

Hope that helps! - I managed to go 5 times this basho, and so
thinkl I class as a fan (also, if you get Sumo World, take a look at the photo between the Mak. and Juryo Banzukes - I'm one of those
people!!)

Martin Hughes
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From: schneid@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Is this offensive?
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:08:12 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Let me add my $.02:

Words like jap, spic, nigger, etc. are words that were made up by
people thinking themselves superior to use against people they find
inferior.  As someone said, you may see your friend and say "hey you
old son of a bitch" and he won't be offended.  However, a lot of people
would be offended by such a statement.  Why don't you try it out on
your thesis advisor or your mom.  Really!  Go ahead.  Go to your mom
and say "hey you old bitch!" but in a really really nice tone of voice
conveying feelings of love.  Did she slap you?  You said it right!

Many people find these words offensive and that makes them offensive words!
Words like this are used against people that are "different," and I am
personally offended by the use of many of them because I am part of a
minority, but not necessarily the minority being persecuted.
-- 
!!! Mike Schneider *** schneid@jerry.stat.uiuc.edu !!!
!!!     Assistant Manager of Systems Services      !!!
!!!            Department of Statistics            !!!
!!!   University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign   !!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Apologizing for WWII--yet again
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 08:03:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.194349.1458@til.til.com> tanaka@til.til.com (Yokichi
Tanaka) writes:
>In article <cfN9Zti00iV1E9Bpws@andrew.cmu.edu>, ac4v+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Adrian Chen) writes:
>> To Mr. Dwight Joe@leland.Stanford.edu
>>     I think your idea is pretty interesting.  I do agree that the
>> Japanese people are not responsible, but, personally, I think the
>> Japanese government is.
>I agree that the Japanese people are not responsible for the war crimes.
>But the Japanese people *are* responsible for knowing and learning
>what happened in the first half of this century, so that history is
>not repeated.  In this sense, Japanese people are responsible.  

I agree with this, but the notion of "responsible" that Mr. Tanaka uses
is not the same as the "responsible" that people from a certain 
overbearing nation in Asia use.  Their notion of "responsible" is that
the Japanese-ge people bears the _guilt_ for what other Japanese-ge people
did.

However, all gov'ts bear responsibility for disseminating accurate history
to its young citizens.  This is true, regardless of the country.

>Collectively, they should demand that history be taught accurately,
>and the elected representatives should push for this. ...

I agree.  Half of the atomic bomb museum in Nagasaki and Hiroshima should
be devoted to remember the non-Japanese-ge victims of the war.  Further,
the history books should be revised.

Only then should Japan assist the USA in joint military operations to ensure
the safety of Asia, far from the shores of Japan.  There are numerous hot spots
in Asia, where Japanese-ci military forces can serve to restore order.

One clear example is the protection of commercial vessels from attack by
Chinese-ge pirates.  Another example would be the defense of the Republic
of Taiwan if that provice of China should ever declare independence.  ...

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