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From: miked@cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Davey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Attention: Reds Fans
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:22:55 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Originator: miked@pterodactyl.cis.ohio-state.edu

>>In the immortal words of Kurz in Heart of Darkness "The horror, the horror."
The Reds lose to the Dodgers who really could not get any worse and lose an
opportunity to gain a game on the Braves.  This loss falls squarely on the 
shoulders of Belcher.  The Reds were able to score four runs  but Belcher
could not keep them in the game.  On April 13th, Belcher had ten strike outs 
in a Reds win but last night he was his old inconsistent self.  The Reds must
sign Swindell as he is the only starter who has been on an even keel all
 season long.  Rijo's ERA is decent since he's recovered from his injury but
his win-loss record is not where it should be.  I know the team is banged up
but I don`t see how starting Martinez in the number two spot is very 
productive. It gives them lots of speed at the top of the order but he is 
not a contact hitter and is not the best man to be trying to advance runners 
or draw a walk as he strikes out or grounds out entirely too much to do much
good. Yesterday in the Columbus Dispatch, Bob Hunter was suggesting that
Lou and the teem is ready to throw in the towel and look to next year. That is
intolerable if it is true and I suspect it is not.  There are too many games 
left and too much time left to make a deal to get a solid starter or too suck
it up and get down to the business of kicking the clearly less-talented but
overachieving teems like San Diego, San Fran, Houston etc right in the ass.
The boys have a lot of games left at home and five games with the Braves (I
know I keep harping on this but I have to at least reassure myself) and its
too early to throw in the towel.  It seems O`Neal has psyched himself out
of being productive this year so why not trade him and that way the 
Bipmeister could play right, Braggs left, Sanders center, and Morris and Sabo
could be in the lineup everyday.  Speed, pitching and defense can win games
and O`neal is only good for 30 "Johnsons" a year which doesn't cover his
low average and his inability to hit with men on base.  Last year was a fluke.
Maybe a change of scenery will do him good.  Besides, next year, a healthy
Sabo and Larkin can produce HR`s and maintain a high average, something
O`Neal is incapable of doing.

--Mike D.--                                     "It`s just good baseball, Bob
                                                 that's all it is." 
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From: miked@cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Davey)
Subject: Attention: Reds Fans
Summary: 45 to go, EIEIO.
Originator: miked@pterodactyl.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:20:38 GMT

	YO! After last nights rain-out in Phiily the boys have fourty-five 
	games left to play and its time to make an accurate assessment of 
	their chances of overtaking the Braves.  If they continue to win two
	of three, which there performance against the Padres seems to imply 
	they are capable of, they will add thirty wins onto there total to   
	to date.  Obviously, they have to at least take two of three every
	series if they even hope to get a shot at the West title.  Further,
	they have to come out of there remaining games with the Braves
	at least 3 and two and hopefully 4 and 1.  4 and 1 is a split in 
	Atlanta and a sweep at home.  Bolton has been demoted to the Bullpen
	following his performance on Saturday and it looks at this point
	that Tim Pugh will get the next start at the number five spot in the
	rotation.  Luckily, this won't happen until a week from friday, unless
	the rain-out screws up the rotation.  Unfortunately, the starters
	have been shakey as of late but the middle relief has ben outstanding.
	its too early to start going to the bullpen early as this could spell
	disaster come late September and October when every one will be tired
	and every game that more crucial to their title hopes. However, Lou 
	has got to consider yanking Belcher or Hammond early if they run into 
	trou ble.  They must gain at least one game on the Braves every ten 
	games top over take them by the end of the season.   Morris will be
	back on Friday and hopefully provide some punch right away. If not, 
	Coles definelty deserves to be in there.  Two good offensive showings
	do not mean the Reds are out of there slump with men on base but it 
	is promising.  Look to Larkin and the Bipmeister to provide much 
	needed leadership on and off the field and inspiration for the rest of
	the Reds hitters.  Oliver will obviously cool off at the plate but
	the hitters in front of him should see some good pitches for at least
	the next couple weeks.  If Morris is hot at the plate. I would love to
	see O'Neil benched and Roberts, Coles, Morris, and Sanders all in 
	there at the same time. Maybe:
	lf Roberts
        ss Larkin
	2b Coles(or Branson if Coles at third)
	1b Morris
	cf Sanders(or in rf and Hern. in cf as Henandez can definetly play cf.
	rf Braggs(or Hernandez)
	3b Sabo (or Coles)
	C  Oliver 
	
	Lets see some posts or email me something.  Enough on the Orioles!

--Mike D.--
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Padre roster for mock expansion draft
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:51:43 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <37086@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:

...

>I thought the Padres could pick up the option on Fernandez's
>contract. Or doesn't the expansion allow you to protect such
>free-agents?

I am under the impression that the Padres do not need
to protect him; however, if he *is* draftable, then by all
means, add him to the protected list and bump Staton.

-- 
Dave DeMers			 ddemers@UCSD   demers@cs.ucsd.edu
Computer Science & Engineering	C-014		demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet
UC San Diego					...!ucsd!cs!demers
La Jolla, CA 92093-0114	(619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029
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From: paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische)
Subject: Mets draft protection
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:25:47 GMT

I was just wondering what the folks on the net think the New York Mets are going to do about the expansion draft.  I'm a Mets fan living in the Bay Area (so I'll never get to see them again after this year.)  I haven't been able to follow much of their minor leagues, but I see their main problem being who should they bother to protect rather then which 15.

If I had to guess, I would say they will definitley protect:

	Magadan, Hundley, Johnson, Bonilla
	Gooden, Fernandez, Saberhagen, Schourek, Young, Franco

Cone is a free agent, as are Bass and Randolph.  I'm not sure who else.
They may have to protect Schofield just to make sure they have a shortstop next season.
I don't know who in teh minor leagues they have to/want to protect.  Does Jeremy Burnitz need to be protected?
Any ideas/viewpoints, especially if you know something that i don't know, would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jason Gische
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: bye bye san fran!!! hello tampa bay
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:28:54 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Distribution: usa
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
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In-reply-to: jon@sybus.com (Jon Pessano)

In article <1992Aug12.201747.17702@sybus.com>, jon@sybus (Jon Pessano)
writes:
[among other things]
>say goodbye san fran.  
>start watching the a's

Nothing like a gracious winner, is there, folks?
-- 
    Doug Moran        | Heck, picture if aliens ever landed in California.
   dougm@hal.com      | Instead of running away or even inquiring about the
 {...}!hal.com!dougm  | secrets of the universe, *Californians* would probably
 HaL Computer Systems | ask the BEMs if they had any new cuisine!
From: hiegel@redx.washington.edu (Brian Hiegel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: What's with Eric Hanson?
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:00:30 GMT
Organization: UW Information Systems

In article <5530@transfer.stratus.com>, gene@ok.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco) writes:
> 
> Can anyone in Seattle shed some light on why Eric Hanson is having such a
> dreadful year?  Does he have a nagging injury?  Has he lost all of his
> confidence?  Has he lost his wicked curveball?  Or does he just suck (ie.
> he doesn't know how to "pitch", just how to "throw")?  Or is it a combination
> of the above?
> 
> -Gene

He's lost speed off his fastball.  When he can't get his curve over for strikes, he gets pounded.

-Brian
From: sefton@cs.ucsd.edu (Paul Piccirillo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: RC/27 for 2Bs
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:14:48 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego, AMES Department


In article <1992Aug13.010631.20645@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

|> Depending on how you define "American."  (Ted Frank, can you help us out
|> here?)  Puerto Rico is an American possession, but I don't think Puerto Ricans
|> are American citizens for these reasons:
|> 
|> 1.	They don't pay the federal income tax.
|> 
|> 2.	They don't vote in federal elections.
|> 
|> 3.	Puerto Rico is neither a state nor a federal territory.  The full name
|> 	of Puerto Rico is "Commonwealth of Puerto Rico," I believe.
|> 
|> They have referenda every 4 years on whether to apply for statehood, become
|> independent, or stay a commonwealth of the U. S., and I believe the forces are
|> fairly evenly divided, but the people who want the status quo always win out
|> by small margins.

I don't have my encyclopedia here in front of me, but I can try to answer
some of these questions.

First of all, Puerto Ricans are American citizens.  Residing in a Commonwealth,
they neither pay federal taxes nor receive federal aid.  However, if a 
Puerto Rican moves to the US, he is treated just like any other citizen (i.e.
no green card or visa necessary).

The American Olympic Committee, for some unknown reason (I am not implying
that this is a bad thing) allows Puerto Rico to field its own Olympic
team.  However, membership on the team is as amorphous as Puerto Rico's
situation.  Basically, it boils down to personal choice!

I'll give two examples, which will either clear the waters, or completely
muck them up.  First is Butch Lee, a shooting guard for Marquette University
in the '70's.  In the 1976 Olympics, he competed for Puerto Rico, where he
was born, and lived to the ripe old age of 2.  He lived in New York after 
that (I think).  Second is Jesse Vasaillo(sp?), a swimmer.  He was born in 
Puerto Rico and lived there until he was 17, when he came to the U.S. to 
train.  In the Olympics, he competed for the U.S.  

So, as I see it, Robby Alomar, Sandy Alomar, and Benito Santiago, and any
other Puerto Ricans can decide for themselves which Olympic team they would
like to compete for.  I would imagine that they would compete for Puerto
Rico (Vasaillo(sp??) took a lot of sh__ for not competing for Puerto Rico),
but, the choice is up to them.

Paul Piccirillo
email sefton@ames.ucsd.edu



From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:48:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Mel's Enfant Terrible Todd (WAS Question-infield fly rule)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

If I understand correctly, the infield fly rule is to prevent the fielder 
from dropping the ball on purpose to get a double play.  What I don't
understand, is why does there have to be runners at first AND second for
it to be called.  If there is a runner at first only, it is just as possible
for the fielder to drop the ball for the double play.

Or am I way off on why the infield fly rule is called?????

Kim
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From: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Phil Plantier??
Reply-To: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:38:10 GMT


Phil Plantier did not post the offensive numbers expected of him this year.
He attributes his lack of offsense to surgery he had over the winter, to the
elbow I believe. Thus, he has played with some pain & has had to make some
adjustments, due to his temporary loss of power & recovery period while the
season was in progress.

However, he has also made some mental errors of late.  In Yankee Stadium last
Saturday, he dropped a fly ball that he should have had. Although it wasn't a
routine catch - he was going back on the ball & approaching the warning track
when he droped it - he should have had it. In Cleveland, he took about 4 steps
in before realizing he should go back on a fly ball.  It appeared to the Sox
brass that he didn't always have his head in the game.

An optional batting practice was held the other day, and Phil didn't show. I
think this may have been the 2nd time this year that he has skipped a voluntary
practice that management thought he should have attended.

So, the Sox sent him down to Pawtucket, to get his head straight.  Plantier has
blamed some of this problems on playing hurt. Yet, some of his no-shows and
mental errors cannot be attriubted to playing with pain.  I hope he gets
healthy, stays injury free, and puts up the numbers expected of him. Last thing
I'd like to see is another Freddie Lynn, begging out of ballgames over a lousy
stinkin' hangnail! ;-)
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: World Series Info
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:23:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095F6CC.862C4FE0
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

hi there
Can anyone e-mail/post the winners & runnersup of
World Series in the 80's & 90-91
bye

************************************************************
RAM            		       BULLS -93	

Politicians' statements tend to have a low specific gravity.
They carry less weight  than their volume would suggest.
		- Jonathan Miller
************************************************************
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CRY BABY: PIRATES CRUSHED 15-0
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:42:31 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <92229.222453IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ryan Robbins) writes:
>back in the "old days." This isn't just a baseball thing, it's in all
>major professional sports. In general, today's athletes are becoming too
>immature. Why can't players lighten up?

Maybe because back in the old days, there weren't as many reporters around
trying to draw some meaning out of a 15-0 loss.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Clemens wins his fourteenth!
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:02:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.235932.5347@honte.uleth.ca> savoy@hg.uleth.ca writes:
>
>> mjw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Michael Wolverton) writes:
>
>>No question [Clemens is] *the* man to beat for the AL Cy.  Right now, he and
>>Appier are the best candidates
>
>I think Eckersley is the leading candidate right now. In any case, it's going
>to be a fight to the wire for this year's award. Should be fun (Juan Guzman
>still has a shot if he recovers in time).

I'm curious about how people feel on this.  Suppose Clemens finishes
with a 20-9 record and 2.25 ERA, and Eckersley finishes with a 6-1
record, 54 saves, and a 2.00 ERA on a division-winning team.  (These
are both conceivable outcomes, I would say.)  Who would you vote for
Cy Young?

Mail votes to me (tedward@cs.cornell.edu) and I will post a summary in
a few days.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Ob. woof: Clemens is the best pitcher ever!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Emotional Attachment to Teams
Organization: Clark University
Date: 19 AUG 92 13:40:18 GMT


>Seems like you aren't defined as a hard-core sports fan. You ought to become
>one. It's normal for a man to become one, therefore irritating his wife who
>has to suffer long periods of ignorance by their hubbies.

Ignorance of grammar and proper English usage, perhaps?

>--
>Daniel Mcvay    11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu   11dmcvay@gallux.gallaudet.edu
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Heather
Jack Clark University (official name change pending)
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
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From: pfferrei@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ferreira)
Subject: How long is Guzman out for?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:06:09 GMT


How long is Guzman of the Jays out for?

I have heard reports ranging from another 2 weeks to another 4 weeks.


+    Paulo F. Ferreira                        + University of Waterloo +  
+ email: pfferrei@undergrad.math.UWaterloo.ca +    Waterloo, Canada    +
From: Tanya_Davis.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu (Tanya Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:53:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: SLAC

SHERRI--

I really thought I'd receive a "better" comeback than what you came up
with.  You really seem to like that word "whining."  I think that's a
copout.  Especially since I was stating facts and reasons -- hardly
whining.  
And, besides, who said that I already didn't like the A's -- you're making
false assumptions...I didn't "not like" the A's -- I was impartial.  I even
tried following the A's for a while and was just not thrilled.  And --
another false assumption is what you said about the teams "I do like."  I
do realize that some members of the Giants have copped attitudes -- I won't
deny that.  But as an overall thing, there is no comparison.  I personally
know a couple of players on both teams -- it's funny because even a couple
of the A's feel that their team has / has had an attitude problem.  And
while the Giants do have some individual problems (and have had -- such as
Chris Brown and Chile Davis near the end of his time with them etc.) there
isn't that fealing of a team attitude problem.  But what do I know?  We all
have our own opinions.


- Tanya_Davis.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu
From: blankman@sel2.hep.upenn.edu (Alan Blankman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Larussa vs ??  was:  Re: Managing in the AL
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:31:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania



In article <1992Aug21.163756.14867@cis.ohio-state.edu>, miked@cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Davey) writes:
> I was having a discussion the other day with a friend of mine and we were
> discussing the upcoming ALCS and NLCS and I made the statement that I
> would have to go with Oakland over the Jays for a variety of reasons, one
> of which was that LaRussa is such a highly touted manager and Cito has such
> a bad rap (on this net at least) as an on-the-field manager.

        (etc. etc. etc.

> 
> --Mike D.--
> Go Reds!



Perhaps one should also consdier comparing LaRussa to Oates or to Garner; the
Jays haven't won it yet. 




					-- Alan Blankman
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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: Oriole News
Organization: NSSL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:56:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.125914.19419@brtph560.bnr.ca> dbloom@bnr.ca (David Bloom P025) writes:
>Lu says:
>
>>Besides, when you are batting cleanup, it is not that difficult to be in the
>>top 10 in RBIs!  Pete O'Brien had a thoroughly horrible season last season, but
>>he had 81 RBIs.  Murray's OBP is pathetic, and that means that when he walks
>>up there, *68%* of the time he will make an out.
>
>Ok, using this logic I guess if you hit .300, then 70 % of time you
>walk up to the plate, you don't get a hit.

Only if you don't walk or get hit by a pitch ever.  On-base percentage (or
average) includes walks and HBP.  Murray's OBA is at or below the NL average,
which is not a very good place to be for a first baseman.

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Andres Galarraga (Through 16 August)  .229 BA  .356 SLG  .271 OBA
28 H away from .300  8 HBP  8 BB    680+ PA w/o a sacrifice
From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Chuck Crim, acker, et al (was 9-5)
Keywords: baseball, men's professional, broadcast
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:12:00 GMT
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Aug17.194602.17900@tamsun.tamu.edu>, rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)     writes...
> 
>Bobby Witt - 10 walks in less than five innings.  Much cooler than his
>             previous "hmmmm" stat: 4 Ks in one inning.
> 
Did the 4th strikeout victim deliberately swing at a wild pitch on strike three?
 This would be interesting to know.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Lasorda to Manage Giants?
Date: 14 Aug 1992 18:05:31 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Widespread speculation continues that Tommy Lasorda will
manage the St. Pete Giants should that city acquire the team.
One of the principal new owners, Vincent Piazza, is best
friends with Tommy.  Piazza's son is Dodger hot catching
prospect Mike at AAA Albuquerque.

I can't imagine how Giants fans must feel....not only may
they lose their team, but much hated manager Tommy Lasorda
may become the new manager and general manager.  Whew!
That's a lot for any fan to have to take.

					BleedsDodgerBlue

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From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Subject: RE: Absolutely Horrific Red Sox-Indians Game
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 14 Aug 1992 10:43 EST  

In article <14AUG92.02525565@vax.clarku.edu>, 
     hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes...

>Actually, I know several Red Sox fans who are rooting for the Wahoo Warriors,
>hoping that the Sox will wind up in last place, and Sox management will
>be forced to take drastic measures in the off-season.

The Red Sox payroll is up around $35M, which in and of itself is not such
a big deal, except for payment for non-performance (e.g. Matt Young, and
do people feel they are getting enough bang for the buck out of Danny
Darwin, Jack Clark, Bruno, etc?).  These big buck players take up space
on the roster that IMPO inhibits the development of reasonably good 
younger players.

The Tribe's strategy, simply put, is for the team to take its lumps for
a year or two, developing the best of their young people on the field
and seeing what shakes out.  Now, all this strategy has proven so far 
is that a team can be fielded for $10-11M that loses less than 100 games
(yes, I know they still could - but they won't).

That is not a bad thing to prove, but it's not nearly enough.  You must
win games to get fans in the stands.  The win-starved fans here are 
starting to turn out because the Tribe is some seven weeks ahead of last
season's win pace, and has a chance to leapfrog out of the cellar.

Now, Boston could do worse than to adopt a similar policy, since this
season has actually put Plantier, Vaughn, Naehring, Cooper and a few
others behind in their development.  There are some players there whose
minor-league performance indicates tremendous potential.  But if you 
fart around with too many free agents, you bring your price up and take
innings away from some of your younger players.  Which ones?  Tough choice.

And most Red Sox fans I have encountered here I bet would be unwilling
to chance a season or two worth of lumps to lower the payroll and let the
younger players take over.

>Heather 
(AKA Hillary ;-))

RG

"We can't just come into Cleveland and take them lightly.  They're just a
 couple of pitchers away from being a contender."  -  Roger Clemens
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