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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:33:52 -0500
Reply-To:     RJARNOLD@GALLUA.BITNET
From:         RJARNOLD@GALLUA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: VIRGINIA FAMILIES

I am also seeking the information on PEMBERTON in Virginia.  My gggg
grandfather, Stephen Pemberton was born in Virginia sometime in 1775 and
died in Missouri in 1849.  He married to Sally Rutherford who also was
born in Virginia in 1767 and also died in Missouri in 1842.

They took their children and moved to near Columbia, Missouri sometime
in late 1820's or early 1830's from Lexington, Kentucky.  Their
descendants are now living in both Missouri and Arkansas.

I wish I have a time to include all of my records of Pemberton families,
but will have to hold until I get back from Christmas vacation.


Merry Christmas & Happy New Year !!!!!

Rena Jo Arnold
RJARNOLD@GALLUA.BITNET
From: malcolm@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: PAF tricks/single parent
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:15:45 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

Re:
> Do you have any fix for the problem of PAF not allowing
> children to be affixed to an "unmarried" female?  I would 
> appreciate any tips you can give me.  Thanks.

As several people have noted, in slightly different ways, PAF does not require
a Family Group to actually have both parents entered. With my data, when I do a
location listing I get events taking place somewhere called "Not Married" ...
that is to say I enter "Not Married" into the first location field for the
place of marriage. This at least leaves a marker to say that the details are
not awaiting research.

Merry Xmas,
	Malcolm.
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:23:44 -0600
Reply-To:     Carmen Antoine <carmena@TENET.EDU>
From:         Carmen Antoine <carmena@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Dolly Madison's family
Comments: To: ROOTS <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

Thanks to all the help we received we are almost finished.

We are at the point of trying to make this connection between one of Dolly
Madison's brothers  or sisters and Agatha M. Dunlap (niece or great niece of
Dolly Madison).

Agatha M. Dunlap's family
        Her parents: John and S.A. Dunlap  (no other information Known)
        Her husband: John Bennett Kelly (Lt.,  CSA)

We know that Dolly Payne Todd Madison's family consisted of the following:

Parents: Mary Coles and John Payne

Children: Dolly
          Lucy
          Ann (or Anna)
          brother (name unknown)
          brother (name unknown)


Dolly had one niece Ann (or Anna)

If the letters we have are true, Agatha Dunlap must be the child or
grandchild of Lucy or Ann (Anna) OR the grandchild of one of the brothers.
This is the final piece of the puzzle. Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks,


Terry Antoine
From: jungschj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Monessen, PA
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:10:05 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

I am looking for information on the "Finnish Ev. Luth. Church of Suomi
Synod" in Monessen, PA.  It did issue copies of records as late as in
the 40's and was definitely active around 1915.  Does anybody no of this
church?  Does it still exist, where are their records?
Thanks in advance!

Helmut
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Date:         Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:06:37 -0600
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From:         CHINN@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      The Melungeons

THE MELUNGEONS

NAMES:    *Mullins, *Collins, *Gibson, *Goins,
          Boulden, Bunch, Fields, Freeman

NAMES:              STATES:        COUNTIES: TOWNS:

                    North Carolina Orange
                                   Robeson
                    South Carolina
Newman's Ridge      Tennessee      **Hancock **Sneedville
                                   *Hawkins
                                   Claiborne Tazewell
                                   Hamblen
                    Tennessee      *Rhea
                                   Roane
                                   Loudon    Loudon
                    Virginia       *Lee
                                   *Scott
                                   Wise
                    Kentucky       *Boone    Richwood
                                   Grant     Williamstown
                                   Pendleton
Coe Clan            Eastern KY
Pea Ridge Group
"Carmel Indians"    Ohio
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From: O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Debbie Adams)
Subject: Lost family member
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:17:07 GMT

I was wondering if there is anyone out there from New York, preferrably
Rochester who could help me locate an address of a person.  Her name is
Kimberly Giles.  She is the mother of my grandson.  I have not yet seen
my grandson and I lost contact with Kimberly.  The last I know she was
in Rochester with her mother Beverly.  Beverly worked in a hospital there
in Rochester.  She has also lived in Cleveland, OH.  I really don't know
what part of Cleveland though.  I know this is a very vague question but
if someone could check a phone book and come up with a number I would
greatly appreciate it.  She may have a phone under the name of Erika
Giles.  New York is such a large place, I wouldn't know where to begin
to ask even if I checked with information.  I would like to write her
or call her if possible.
 
Thank you in advance.
From: robert@sherlock.oas.uci.edu (Robert Morey)
Subject: Halifax, Nova Scotia--job "lab", illegitimate children baptisms
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 23 Dec 92 17:55:21 GMT
Distribution: na

      Hi,

      Question #2 of the day: the Halifax City Directory (Nova Scotia,
   Canada) lists my grandfather's job/occupation as "lab"--does anyone
   know what this means?

      Also, apparently there was an illegitimate child to my great
   grandfather (no, I don't think this runs in the family!  B-).  There
   is a baptism record for the child but I thought that illegitimate
   children were not baptized by the Roman Catholic church.  Am I
   incorrect?

     Thanks again,

     Robert J. Morey
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 09:19:41 EST
Reply-To:     Chris Munnelly <munnelly@XYLOGICS.COM>
From:         Chris Munnelly <munnelly@XYLOGICS.COM>
Subject:      Re: HRC
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Bill,
    There is no way of knowing if the history is
correct unless you can match it to some known
pieces of your family history.  For example, the
history that I got from HRC for my surname is
extremely accurate (Munnelly is also a fairly
rare name).  The location of the surname (Co. Mayo
Ireland), the old gaelic version, and the surname
varients all matched.  Other information will need
to be verified.  The coat of arms is radically different
than the coat of arms I have seen before. So this
certificate is great.  I got a second certificate for my
mothers side (Casey).  It is so vague that no matter
how much search is done, there is little hope of proving
or disproving the information (and this tome the coat of
arms is right).  The name originates from the name
used to designate six separate tribes.  Irish records
won't get me back that far.  So this certificate I got
for fun. A couple of the other names I've looked up are wrong.
I looked up Ogden and HRC told me that the name originated
in the mid-1700's.  I think that the Ogden who came over on the
Mayflower would have a differing opinion.

     My advice for anyone purchasing information is verify a bit
of the information before you buy the certificate.  If the name
is rare, there is a better chance that the history is on target.
For more common names, you may be purchasing someone elses history
unless the facts match.

Good Luck!

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  Searching: Broderick, Cadogan, Curran, Carter, Casey, Leonard,
    McDonagh, McGlew, McLane, Monnelly, Munnelly, O'Connell, Ogden
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From: philo@orion.IntelliCorp.COM (Philip R. Obermarck)
Subject: Help!  Where to start??
Date: 28 Dec 92 23:37:11 GMT
Reply-To: pobermarck@intellicorp.com
Organization: IntelliCorp Inc.

I have recently become interested in genealogy, and am wondering how to 
research the following:

 My father was adopted, and I recently got his birth certificate and adoption
 papers.  The information on these papers includes his mother and father's 
 names (they weren't wed) their occupations and the states they were born in.

 The papers also include my father's place of birth, and his mother's (then
 current) address.

This information is all 57 years old, and simple addition tells me that if
his parents are alive today, his father would be 90, and his mother 81.

How can I find out more about them, and should I try to contact them?

Is there a reccomended book, for a beginner, that will help me investigate 
this?
 

Thanks -

      -Phil


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From: linda@sunup.Sun.COM (Linda Knapp SE Sun Seattle 206-889-1326)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Geneology Software Wanted
Date: 28 Dec 92 07:37:07 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Seattle
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I am sure this has been discussed before so if there are any FAQs
out there please forward them.

I am looking for a (cheap) piece of geneology software for a 
Sun SPARCstation (unix). Is there anything out in the public domain
perhaps?

Linda

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From: O1ADAMS@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Debbie Adams)
Subject: Re: Lost family member
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:15:54 GMT

In article <ROOTS-L%92122912265048@VM1.NODAK.EDU>
Ed Mertes <mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL> writes:
 
>Debbie,
>I sent you two messages by E-mail with GILES information.  If you
>don't receive them in a couple of days please let me know and
>I will post it to the net.
>
>Ed
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>mertes@stl-07sima.army.mil
>mertes%st-louis-emh2.army.mil@vm1.nodak.edu
>bh736@cleveland.freenet.edu
>usr9223a@cbos.us.edu
>
>Researching: MERTES DREILING RAWE STUMP/STUMPS/STUMPF JACCOD GIRARD GRAF
>             DEPAUL/DIPAULO REINACHER PLOESSER/PLAZIER/PLACIER CANTER
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
I received both of your messages.  Thank you very, very much.
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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: New GENEALOG files: Royalty GEDCOM
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:18:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.164654.11610@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>New Royalty GEDCOM files have been uploaded.  They are available now.
>>This GEDCOM has been updated by Mr. Denis Reid ...
>
>I suppose this is a question I should take up with Denis Reid, but I'd
>like to see some documentation -- even a Note or two -- on some of the
>claims in this file.
>
>Cerdic, King of Wessex, who died in 534, is the earliest individual
>with a definite date -- but twenty-four generations of his paternal
>line are listed before him, which would take us back before the Common
>Era; I was under the impression that no European line, even a royal
>one, could be taken that far.  (Alex Shoumatoff's book on family
>history, _The Mountain of Names_, says that only Georgian royalty can
>be definitely traced to before the time of Christ.
>
>Anyone else have an opinion on these very early claims?
>
>(Here's a plug for Shoumatoff's book, by the way, which is wonderful;
>I've read it several times and enjoyed it more each time.  I have no
>connection with him or his work, other than having bought it.)
>
>--                    __
>Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu

There are also Persian and a lot of people in the Middle East that can be
traced before Christ.  I presume those B.C. lines involves nomad
that were in Middle East or in Roman areas and moved to other place.
I saw an example of a royal line that join some king/emperor in the
Middle East (in Byzance, actually, then Iberia and Georgia) in the
book of Rene Jette, Traite de Genealogie (Treaty of Genealogy).
As for Cerdic, king of Wessex, I presume he was a Sax (as Wessex = West Sex
or the Western part of Saxony settled in England) who get into England
from being a barbarian people in today's Germany.

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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:03:33 -0400
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From:         KELLER@FRMNVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      TAYLOR, HAWES, EMERSON in Fond du Lac, WI

I would like to communicate and exchange information with
family of my ggggparents:

JARED MOREY TAYLOR (1804-1865) and MARY BENTON TAYLOR (1806-1883)
who moved from Vergennes, VT, to Fond du Lac, WI, about 1850;

also SEWEL N HAWES (1797-1867) and FANNY SMITH HAWES (1807-1868)
who moved from Shoreham, VT, to Fond du Lac about 1848;

also my gggparents ALBION EMERSON (1819-1889) and LUCIA HOPKINS
GOODWIN EMERSON (1824-1912) who moved from southwest ME (Bridgton?)
about 1860.

Thanks.  James H. Keller
From: paque@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Julie Paque)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Generations
Date: 31 Dec 1992 16:10:09 GMT
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From the Stanford University Bookstores on-line catalog:

AUTHOR:       Strauss
TITLE:        Generations : History of America's Future 1584 to 2069
IMPRINT:      Morrow, William & Co., 1992. (Paperbound. ISBN:0-688-11912-3)
PRICE:        $12.00

SUBJECT:      History/United States
LOCATION:     Campus, General Books (U. S. History) - Not in stock.

Julie
paque@pangea.stanford.edu

From: Joe.Sissom@f81.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Sissom)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Phonebook Help on Surname VLUGHT
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 15:42:46

If you found the brother via PhoneFile, I'd suggest writing w/forwarding address requested from PO.  With an unususal name like that, it shouldn't be much problem.
Joe

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From: brekshyn@shearson.com (Bohdan Rekshynskyj)
Subject: Re: Johannes Petrus
Reply-To: brekshyn@shearson.com
Organization: Ordinatio
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:48:08 GMT

In article 92Dec22095549@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu, eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>In doing some family research in some Catholic church records, I am
>faced with the prospect of reading lots of names in Latin.  My
>question is, should I translate them into the vernacular?  If so, how?
>In particular, should I write
>     Johannes Petrus
>     Johannes Peter
>  or Johann Peter
>?
>=Jim
>
>--
>=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)


Hmm,  John Peter?  Nah.  John S. Bach?  Nah.  My name is Bohdan.  I don't want
"God-Given" as my English name (same goes for "Theodoros" - gift of God).
Or how about Mark Aurelio?  (Marcus Aurelius, great Roman emperor 161-180).
Granted the examples are not your everyday ones but keep the past, don't
discard it and try to "modernize" it...  My two cents worth!


					God-Given, er, I mean, Bohdan   ;-)








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From: ch525@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David F. Clapin)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Researching Clopin/Clapin
Date: 29 Dec 1992 15:48:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I would appreciate receiving any information relating to the
surname Clopin/Clapin/Chopin/Chopinel/Clopinel.  I have data
on the Canadian descendants of Jean Clopin, married at l'eglise
St. Sauveur in LaRochelle, France, in 1712.

David F. Clapin              dclapin@hpb.hwc.ca
(613) 941-2039
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 09:09:28 EST
Reply-To:     Dick and Jill Miller <dmiller@IM.LCS.MIT.EDU>
From:         Dick and Jill Miller <dmiller@IM.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Book Review
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

> Has anyone on the root list purchased a new book titled "Generations"?
>
> If so, what is the cost and could you give a brief overview of the
> book?
>
> Thanks
>
>Mike Holland

Hi Mike,

The full title is (approx.) "Generations: the History of America's Future
for 1635(?) to 2019(?)" [(?)'s are the approx. part].  I did not buy the
book, but got it thru ILL.  I did read most of it before my time ran out
and intend to finish it when I get a round tuit.  Here's my book report.

"Generations:.." is a large, scholarly book.  It is not an easy read, but
full of interesting information for persons trying to understand their
American ancestors.  It proposes a new theory (built on past theories),
that the ways various generations perceive themselves and the world around
them are finite (4) and repeat in a cyclic fashion.  There have been 3.5
cycles of four so far in the history of America, with one generational
'mind-set' missing at the start of our Civil War.

What I found particularly interesting was that the 'problems' with today's
society have occured several times without the whole country falling into
anarchy or a police state.  I found this hopeful and comforting.  I also
found out why I find some of my ancestors more interesting than others;
their mind-set was like mine.

I heartily recommend this book to anyone who is interested in the life and
thought (philosophy) of he(r) ancestors.

I don't know how much the book cost, but it was thick and is probably
expensive because it's not a book that has a wide market; i.e., not a
casual read.

--Jill

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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:20:00 LCL
Reply-To:     M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK
From:         MFITZGIB <M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Anyone on Here from England
Comments: To: roots-l <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.edu>

Hello Tom.

Re: Broadbents.

Let me know the details and I will try and find some help from the
Staylebrige area.
In the mean time I will look up the Broadbents in the phone book for that
area.
I will also try to find the mail address of any FHS in Staylebrige.
I will request info from the packet radio network in the UK also.
I know of one Broadbent who is active on there! and the
amateur satellite group.

Mick

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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: wow! (Re: FirstSearch)
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:45:21 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln) writes:

>As has been pointed out, the Sutro Library of the Univ. of CA has rather
>complicated rules for ILL, limited to books after ? 1925 and items that
>are not unique. 

Are we saying that MELVYL and SUTRO are synonymous?


>Given the reference, it should be possible to find
>another source, but if your library is not good at that, then you may
>need to find a larger library that is more on-line and can find such
>sources more easily.

My approach would be to work on the library shortcomings first. I pay taxes 
and get precious little back except for trash removal, state & federal parks 
and libraries. Can't for the life of me think of anything else that I've ever 
gotten and not paid for additionally. In my mind that's a lot of cash to 
borrow a book or visit a park. Maybe it's the trash removal that soakes up the 
rest?  :-)

But before I pound on the door of whoever can affect change I need to know 
what the problem is.  Two of my neighbors are county freeholders (elected
commissioners who run the place) and I need my facts straight before I go and
bitch to them.

Fred
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From: M16146@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Term for Bro/Sis-in-law-in-law (or Sis of Sis-in-law)?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:56:12 GMT

Is there a genealogy term (proper, generic, or slang) which applies to
the extended "in-law" family relationships I describe below?
 
          Parents X     Parents Y    Parents Z
              |            |            |
           ___|___      ___|___      ___|
          |       |    |       |    |
        Anne    Beth=Charlie Donna=Eben
 
 Anne & Charlie, (Beth & Donna), (Charlie & Eben) are Bro/Sis-in-law.
 I am searching for a term which describes Anne & Donna, ("sisters of
 sisters-in-law") and Anne & Eben (sister-in-law-in-law).  I coined the
 "sis-in-law-in-law" and use it to describe an extended family relation-
 ship among myself and some dear freinds who do have this extended
 family tie.
 Vernon Eubanks
 Hereford, Arizona
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