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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Fabulous Harley Babe Bashing etc.
Followup-To: fa.fubar
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:21:42 GMT

In article <BD.92Sep10100318@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>
>>In article <18lh61INN49i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>>In article 135448@is.morgan.com, spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner) writes:
>>>>
>>>>So how about a new group: rec.motorcycles.homebrew???
>>>
>>>Other than the obvious something-to-do-with-computers, the two
>>>non-motorcycling activities I've noticed in this group are flying and
>>>homebrewing.  It would seem a much higher correlation than in the
>>>population in general.  Any speculations?
>>
>>Could be we just reached the point where we were tired of fitting in,
>>and no longer cared what society (as the target of mass marketing)
>>really thought about us.
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>>Then again, maybe the common thread is that we're all people willing
>>to think for ourselves, instead of letting Madison Avenue think for us.
>
>Well, congrats to JEQ, who just posted what is IMHO the biggest bunch of
>crap I've read in *any* newsgroup.

Thank you for noticing.

>Areas of interest mentioned here have been computers, flying, micro-brewing,
>and motorcycles.  While there _is_ a negative conotation to motorcycle
>riding in lots of quarters, the other activities are all right in the
>middle of yuppie mainstream aspirations.

Maybe in NH.  In the places I've lived (IL and FL), flying was viewed
as a deviant activity by most everyone I met, and most folks figured
someone brewing their own was a child of Woodstock.

>Give me a break.  What do we all have in common?  We have an interest
>in motorcycles, and we have access to usenet.  That's not much, but
>it's more than I have in commmon with most folks...

Give me a break.  Go back and read what you claim you read.  The
query was for a possible explanation for the apparently high number
of participants interested in motorcycles _and_ flying _and_ home brewing.
I offered my explanation, however correct or incorrect it may be.
Of course, part of that explanation was that I no longer care what
most folks think of me.  That goes for you, too.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: barry@fsp2.gtri.gatech.edu (Barry B Burnette)
Subject: Re: BMW Wobbles
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Followup-To: Dumpy old Dual 
Distribution: usa 
Keywords: .edu-breath 
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:58:28 GMT
X-Posted-From: fsp2.gtri.gatech.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <716181535.753188.TJM@math.ams.org> TJM@MATH.AMS.ORG (Tom Maloney) writes:
>our dear friend barry@fsp2.gtri.gatech.edu (Barry B Burnette) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep9.223834.1179@msus1.msus.edu> pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep9.213434.29063@ctr.columbia.edu>, barry@fsp2.gtri.gatech.edu (Barry B Burnette) writes:
>>>> In article <1992Sep5.145129.1136@msus1.msus.edu> stafford@msus1.msus.edu writes:
>
>>>>> My BMW ('81 R100RS) wobbles in moderately hard turns....
>        ^^^ original note
>[etc]
>>>> Also, an over-tightened, unevenly worn chain will cause the swing arm
>                                           ^^^^^ barryb's followup
>>>> to flex, thereby making the bike wobble.  Since yours is not doing
>                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>[etc]
>>>> Barry B.
>
>>>I'm glad you got that possibility ruled out, aren't you, John?
>
>>First of all jerk-off, he did not explain the wobble very clearly except that
>>it does occur in turns...etc
>
>Barry, Barry, Barry - it's not good form to denigrate someone's
>IQ when you are doling out advice about checking the chain on a
>BMW. 

OK, OK already.  I jumped on this one without thinking.  I'm glad
everyone got a good laugh.  

>>Ride fast, Ride hard, Stay young!
>
>Good luck with the stay young part - should be easy if you
>regularly approach terminal velocity on a poorly maintained
>bike.

The bike belongs to a friend.  You are right though; at that velocity,
given the condition of the bike, it was almost terminal.

>
>Tom Maloney/tjm@math.ams.org/American Math Society Providence, RI/401.455.4020
>           DoD #614 / 1980 Kawasaki KZ440B / KoTDoD (Dumpy old Dual)
> 

Ah, the appropriator of the Dumpy old Dual.  Lubed any squid tires lately?
Anyway, my thanks go out to Mr. Maloney here and everyone else that has
taken time to set me straight.

Barry B.    (aka .edu-breath)
Ride fast, Ride hard, Stay young, Think before you flame... 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: x1sdup@esparc19.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Stephen Dupre)
Subject: Re: riding clothes choices
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 14:49:55 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp.

In article <1992Sep1.132113.11027@ncar.ucar.edu>, jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan,8292,SCD) writes:
|> From article <1992Sep01.063622.27311@ecst.csuchico.edu>, by lrandall@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Laura Randall):
|> > One soon to be skinless squid wearing a full face helmet, t-shirt, shorts,
|> > and shower thongs.
|> 	:
|> > Isn't the mandatory helmet law working great?
|> 
|> Yes, it is! Now it is highly likely that the squid will survive a
|> motorcycle accident, which will be followed by months of excruciating
|> skin grafts and painful physical therapy, and possibly years of
|> professional care, all paid for by the insurance pool we all pay into,
|> providing jobs for countless physicians, therapists, nurses, medical
|> technicians, accountants, lawyers, statisticians, and bureaucrats (not
|> to mention all the associated supporting industries), eventually
|> bootstrapping the economy back into high gear again.  What a success!
|> 
|> What we need to stamp out is those irresponsible fools (like me) who
|> walk away from 40mph lowsides while wearing full leathers with their
|> helmets, and who economically contribute only to the motorcycle parts
|> industry and maybe UPS.
|> 
|> --
|> John Sloan              "Since I've given up hope,       +1 303 497 1243
|> NCAR/SCD                   I feel much better."      Fax +1 303 497 1137
|> Boulder CO 80307-3000 USA                           jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu
|> Logical Disclaimer: belong(opinions,jsloan). belong(opinions,_):-!,fail.

I agree with Mr. Sloan.  The manufacturers have done little to support
the need for proper clothing while riding.  Helmets protect only what they're
worn on - your head.  I wrote a letter to Honda complaining about their lack
of advertising for proper attire.  Full leathers are expensive - about 1/2
the cost of an emergency room visit for road rash.  (not including the
months of rehab (as John notes) afterward.  If you knew someone who went
through this, you would (like me) always wear full leathers.  Just my 
opinion.  
						Sincerely,

						Stephen Dupre
				 8-)		Fieldsheer Leathers Poster-Boy

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From: pooder@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Games we play with caged children.
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:25:54 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

After scaring the hell out of a coworker on the sidewalk with Gretchen's
Fiamms I went down to a bicycle shop and got a Fisher Price squeeze-bulb
horn in matching blue.  I mounted it on the handlebar in front of the 
horn switch and I use it for friendly greetings for people I know and kids.
The kids just love it.  "He's got a horn just like *mine*!"

I liked it so well I got a chrome bell with a picture of Garfield for 
Harvey.



Don n DoD# 951 - LotN

Still sharing garage space with Gretchen - '86 K75 - and Harvey - '72 CB500
 
"What Do *You* Care What Other People Think?" -- Richard Feynman
 


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: >wheelies
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:13:34 GMT

In article <laq4pmINNdjf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead]) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep8.174528.14743@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
|> >In article <laft2bINNiar@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead]) writes:
|> >|>
|> >|>  Your mechanic is quite right. The Yamaha race manuals typically warn
|> >|>  against wheelying for just this reason (oil pickup being starved).
|> >
|> >all right i can except this. but what about steep hills?
|> >or dirt bike riders that forget that they are supposed
|> >to go around trees and not over them.
|> 
|>  Well.. in a wheelie your motor is revving much higher for a much
|>  longer period of time than when you're going up a hillside. I doubt

i dunno about this cause on my BMW i always ride slightly faster
then the speed limit and keep the rpm near the top end (not that
many rpms on a bmw) and i would think that i would use the
power band section to do a wheelie as i would ride up a tight
twisty canyon/tree/hill. 

|>  that you're going to see much better than a 1 in 3 grade (even in
|>  SF) in most places. Most road engineers know better than to create
|>  such a grade..

i've ridden up some hills that have been steeper then most (please note
i do not say ALL) wheelies that i have seen.

|>  Also, your oil pan is baffled so that the oil doesn't slosh away
|>  from the pickup with sudden movements. A wheelie may starve your

not mine. no way no how.

|>  motor because the baffling can't retain enough oil at that demand
|>  rate. 
|> 
|>  Hell.. I don't know. Ask Yamaha. They wrote the book.. In fact,

i don't CARE about yamaha! do you think yamaha's are the only
bike that can do wheelies? i care about all bikes even harlies
(got to be politically correct).

|>  they give instructions on how to replace the pickup (with another 
|>  model) to solve this problem..

rather nice of them to give instructions on how to fix a design flaw
that you shouldn't find out about unless you are doing something
illegal on the street ;-)

of course i am aware that all bikes are different and maybe only
yamaha miss-designed there bike....but then again maybe not


laz
From: TJM@MATH.AMS.ORG (Tom Maloney)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Olympic bikers
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:21:49 GMT

In article <6468@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, ranck@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) says:

>   I'm sure most of you have seen the guys on BMWs riding around with
>maniac camarmen hanging off the back as they follow the marathon runners
>or bicycle racers.  So, how do I get a job driving one of those BMWs?

When I was down at DECUS in Atlanta last May (yes Virginia, VMS
people ride too) there was a bicycle race going on that I
watched a bit of. The cameraman mount of choice there was (drum
roll) ST1100's.

There must have been a dozen motorcycles between the camera
mounts and the lead bikes. The best part for me was watching the
lead motorcycles come tearing down Peachtree at 70+, no other
traffic on the road, and all the cops are standing by on the
sidelines, smiling and waving at them! Made me wanna fire up the
KZ440 and get out there!

Of course, that Dumpy old Dual probably couldn't keep up with
the bicycles. Maybe some manly man from Georgia could let me
borrow a bitchin' bike for that purpose :-)

Tom Maloney/tjm@math.ams.org/American Math Society Providence, RI/401.455.4020
           DoD #614 / 1980 Kawasaki KZ440B / KoTDoD (Dumpy old Dual)

     "Brakes just slow you down and increase your lap times dramatically."
                                                      - Stefan Fielding-Isaacs

P.S. re: nude motorcycling - if this indeed happened, did the
participants wear helmets? And did they make any skid marks? :-P
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: matthews@ajsh.colorado.edu (Alex Matthews)
Subject: Re: A question.
Originator: matthews@ajsh
Organization: JILA, University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:28:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.171552.24058@spdc.ti.com> achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
>
>As long as everyone 
>understands you're going fast for the sheer hell of it, and not because you're 
>late for something important, everyone should be able to ride at their own pace
>and still enjoy going for rides together.

Still, there is something to be said for using the buddy system, 
*especially* when you're riding hard.  I cringe whenever somebody 
posts, "He didn't show up at the end of the road, so we went back to
see what happened."  A big advantage to riding with other people is 
that you can look out for each other by pointing out road debris, 
tricky corners, even cops.  If one person has mechanical trouble, 
there is someone there to help.  If a person drops back it may be
harmless, but once they're out of sight they have lost a lot of
visual cues that may have been helping them ride faster - your
brake light, or your entrance speed, or your lean angle.  Maybe
dropping back until you make contact is all you need to do
to restore their concentration, but you must ask yourself if that
isn't a symptom that they're riding too close to their limits.

I can't resist concluding with a smartass comment: If you want to ride
at your own pace, why don't you call up your friends the night before
and say, "Meet you tomorrow at noon at the picnic area at the end
of Racer Road, and we'll check to see how the footpegs fared"?
Just what is the attraction of riding together so you can ride
separately?

-- 
-Alex Matthews (matthews@ajsh.colorado.edu)
DoD #0010   
"It vibrated even with the engine off."  - tomb
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 8 Sep 1992 12:15:07 EDT
From: <REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: FAQ Me?! FAQ YOU! (Helmet Laws)

   Seems that one of the most commonly asked questions is RE helmet laws...
   Is there a FAQ posting about this?  Could someone waste a little more
bandwidth and point it out to the group?  If there isn't one, lets compile a
list of Helmet laws by state and autopost it... Give it a life of it's own.
You know, like Harley Oil & my freshman year roommate's laundry!

Jeff Andle, Law or Not, I've only got one head (though I'm always willing
            to get some more!)...
            DoD #3005, 1976 KZ900 (28000+ miles!)
From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: physics 101 (was Re: Centripetal !!)
Summary: aborted attempt to explain braking forces
Date: 12 Sep 92 05:05:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

To tie a couple of threads together, I thought I'd note a few examples
from Bueche's _Principles of Physics_ to help with the braking vs ABS
vs auto vs moto stuff.

Several people have noted that a car can stop faster because it has a
larger contact patch.  According to my understanding of Newtonian 
Physics (which has held up pretty well in the "real world") the friction
force (Ffr) is equal to the coefficient of friction (mu) times the normal
force (Fn).  Nowhere does "contact patch" size come into play.

        Ffr=mu*Fn

To further clarify:  The friction force is that force which exists between
the tires and the pavement.  It can be used to either slow you down or 
speed you up (accelerate you in either the + or - direction).  The coefficient
of sliding 
friction between rubber and concrete is 0.5-0.9(wet) and 0.7-1.0(dry) and
for racing tires it is ~1.5.  The normal force,for our example, is usually 
the weight of the bike (this will be vary as the bike changes elevation)

      Ffr=mu*mob*g  where mob="mass of bike in Kg", and g=9.8m/s^2

Well, I was going to take this on into the Work-Energy Theorem, and show
an actual example based on vehicle masses, but I'm too tired to do much
more of this, so just look at the formula and notice that the force of
friction (the one that will slow you down) has nothing to do with "contact
patch" or llamas.

-- 
|The opinions expressed above are merely the result of chaotic synapse firings|
|After being brutally pummeled about the head by a big mean          -   O    |
|biker, I can no longer be responsible for my rantings.                |      |
|captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  (Brian Murfin)  DoD# 0690  nt650gt     \_^___/   |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Road Sign
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:53:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.203024.25657@varian.com>, bob@csbvax.uucp (Bob Palin) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep7.075255.2723@news.arc.nasa.gov> howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) writes:
|> >Hwy 50 east out of Reno has a sign, 
|> >
|> >"Next Services 187 Miles."
|> >
|> >Interstates seem so friendly in some ways....
|> 
|> I think you had been riding too long if you saw such a sign.  Firstly Hwy 50
|> doesn't go through Reno, secondly it is not an Interstate and thirdly
|> there are plenty of services on Hwy 50.  Interstate 80 does go through
|> Reno but I've never seen this sign and I'm certain that there are 
|> much more frequent services than that. 187 miles would prevent the 
|> majority of motorcycles using I80 and I know that many do...
|> 
|> Bob Palin, Varian, Walnut Creek, Ca (510)945-2278, AMA, FSSNOC, DoD #257
|> bob@varian.com     242,201 miles and counting     CBR600, ST1100, KLR650

Let me try this again. Take a look at a map of Nevada, then
read on...... Go on, I can wait.


Good. Notice that east of Reno, U.S. 50 intersects I80 and heads
east to Ely, then off to G.J. Colorado via the middle of nowhere?

Well, Just off I80, on hwy 50 east of Reno, I saw just such a sign
in August, 1987.

Such a sign on a non-interstate would make interstates seem very
friendly. 

Riding too long? Hmmmm.... Think you need a vacation. 

Ride safe. Check your facts.

---
Curt Howland        DoD#0663      '82 V45 Sabre
            howland@nsipo.nasa.gov 
  If any of these words are caught or killed,
NASA will disavow any knowlege of my existence.
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Wheelies
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:34:32 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <Bu0EKx.IJ4@wpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
>I just bought a Kawi EX500 (first bike) and was wondering how I can practice
>doing wheelis without killing myself or droping the bike?
>
>What the hell is the dod number and what is Richard Swift's problem?

Oh Gawd, here we go again.



Neal Howard                            | '91 XLH-1200
neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org               | DoD# 686
CompuTrac, Inc.                        | (this space for
Richardson, TX.                        |   future expansion)
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Road Sign
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:03:34 GMT

pooder@msus1.msus.edu writes:

>I've never dumped any dirtbikes, mainly because I've never ridden any.  I
>guess I should expand my horizions.  My daughter is about to get her driver's
>license, and wants a motorcycle.  I've heard that a dirtbike is a good way 
>to start.  Should I take the plunge??

Absolutely! You're missing half the fun of motorcycling if you don't
have a dirt bike. Not only can learn a lot more about riding, you can
scare yourself silly at incredibly low speeds. (Since my DR250 is street
licensed, I've got one of the few spedos in the group I ride with. It's
kind of fun to hear them talking about how we were "screaming along at 60
mph" when we never broke 35. :-)

Sure, you can hit hit high speeds on the right dirt bike, and try all
sorts of things like wheelies, jumps, and endos, but just plain dirt
donking is a lot of fun too.

Drop on over to r.m.dirt, Bob Pasker just posted his "newbie crash &
burn report" over there. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (The Reverend Doctor Karl Elvis MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Japanese Cruisers; comparison?
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:07:26 GMT
Reply-To: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (The Reverend Doctor Karl Elvis MacRae)
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com


	So, I was wondering the other day if anyone has recently 
	done a side-by-side comparison of the for major japanese
	cruisers (Shadow, Intruder, Vulcan, Virago).


	I've been thinking of going back to a cruiser (I don't know
	if I will yet; it's one of those sort of idle 'Boy ain't that
	pretty' kind of thoughts, kind of like the ones you have when
	driving by a high school on a hot early summer afternoon =B^)),
	and was wondering if any of those bikes are clearly superior 
	as far as reliability, handling, etc...


		Thanks-


	-Karl

	
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From: rtaraz@bernoulli.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Watch out
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:42:33
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: bernoulli.wpi.edu

I was at a light last night and when the light turned green for me I
started to move.  But ever since I bought my bike I look both ways at
an intersection no matter what the color of the light is.  Lucky me I
saw this moron not stopping.  If I hadn't seen him and stopped, I
wouldn't be here to post this article.

So watch out for assholes who run red lights.