From: abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arab  U N I T Y
Summary: "You say tomato, I say tomato.."
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:43:35 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <1egau1INNk87@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>
>
>abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad), i.e. Mr. "Orang Goose" writes:
>(Orang Goose: his way, Orange Juice: my way)
>
>>I was going to respond by saying: "I pronounce my name AbdelGawad, my parents
>>pronounce my name AbdelGawad,  all my friends in Egypt call me AbdelGawad, and
>>every Arab, Muslim, Christian, Jew and Bhuddist I know call me AbdelGawad! So
>>why should I listen to a presumptuous idiot like you telling me I am not a
>>true Muslim?"  but then I thought, it's not worth it.
>
>Gawad is a bad word.  However Jawad is not.  People like you who are
>pro EGption slangs are screwing up the Arabic language.  I was once in
>Egypt and watched a T.V. commerical about shaving cream.  And the guy
>on the commercial said what is translated to English "four reasons."
>"four reasons" are said in Arabic as "arba' asbab".  Now, an EGiption
>like you say a "z" whenver there is an "s".  So, "arba' asbab" becomes
>"arba' a*bab".
>

O.K. Mr Salah.  One flame deserves another.  I had no right to call you an
idiot, regardless of what you said.  I accept all the names you call me in 
your post (and you do call me quite a few names) as fair response.  No more.

As far as what you say above,  please enlighten me of the whereabouts of that
never-never land where everyone speaks "Fos'ha" arabic all the time!  Maybe
in that Islamic State if yours, where everyone would be required by law to 
spend four years in 'ElAlson' college to learn how to speak Arabic correctly!

As for the commercial, either you were watching a TV with a cheap sound
system, or 55 million people would pee their pants laughing everytime the
commercial was on.  When I want to say 'Asbab', I say 'Asbab'.  'Azbab' 
I reserve for other uses :) 

>>Are you aware how different Muslims in Russia are from Muslims in Egypt, and
>>how different those are from Muslims in Morrocco, or the USA?  Are you aware
>>how different Sunni and Shi'aa are?  Can you imagine the Pan-Muslim congress:
>>"The distinguished gentleman Mr. Gamal Gouda can now speak"
>>"Jamal Jouda you westernized infidel! Why I oughta'..."
>>We are simply too different.
>
>Are you aware of how complicated arab problems were before Islam came into
>existence?  Are you aware that Tarmzi, Bokhari, Ibin Sina', Khoarmzi, etc
>are people who are not arabs, they came from the so-called now former USSR?
>Are you aware of Islamic history?  Are you aware of how ignorant you are?
>

By your first argument, we should be advocating the construction of a Greek
or a Roman state.  After all, Muslims were not the only group that was 
successful in creating a powerful empire.  But seriously, you must be
able to see the obvious differences in circumstances between the formation
of the Muslim empire a few *centuries* ago, and the current situation.

As for your second point, it's completely irrelevent to a discussion about
Islamic unity:  For example, there are hundreds of thousands of foreign
scholars in the U.S., but you don't hear the Americans clamoring for 
world-unity or world-government!


>>P.S.  I thought Egyptians spoke Arabic since the days of the pharoahs, at
>>      least that's what they show on T.V.!  But wait, in the Ten Commandments
>>      they were speaking English, and so were the Jews.... Now I'm confused ;)
>
>That's how ignorant and idiot you are.  You make me wonder if you're an EGiption
>after all.  At the time of Moses, Egyptians were speaking the so-called now the
>Hieroglyphics language and Jews spoke Hebrew, the language of Joseph and Jacob
>who moved from Palestine to live in Egypt.  The ten commendmants came to Moses
>in Hebrew (old testament), and later they were translated into English.
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I hope my sarcasm wasn't lost on the rest of the readers.  Mr. Salah is
obviously a lost cause :)

Tamer Abdelgawad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan