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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Hazel Eyes
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 00:51:00 GMT

In article <T33oqB2w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us>, gerda@brewich.hou.tx.us (Gerda Thunarsson) writes...
>lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>> Hey Donal, can we start a "Hazel Eyes" group.  Seems when I
>> look in the mirror I see these "Hazel Eyes" staring back at
>> me.  
> 
> 
>what the hell color is hazel, anyway?  is that anything like chartruese?
> 
>what happened to blue, green, grey etc....
> 
Hazel is kind of a misnomer.  People who have hazel eyes have 
more than one color in them.  It is usually flecks of different
colors.  When they wear a particular color, say blue, the blue
in their eyes blend in with what they are wearing.  As a result
their eyes tend to look green or whatever the next predominant
color is.  These are the people who's eyes seem to change color
all the time.

At lot of people with Hazel eyes tend to have a more greens and
blues which is why some people think Hazel is actually a color.

I don't know where the concept of "Hazel" came from.  Someone
else will have to answer that.

Tammy
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: ancestors stories
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:21:55 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

This is in no way intended to knock the idea of recovering knowledge from
older generations (my grandparents all died before I could get anything
like that out of them) - but older doesn't always mean better.  It's been a
common complaint from folk-song collectors that naively going to the oldest
singer in the village as a sole source doesn't work; they've had a lifetime
to adjust the tune and words to their personal idiosyncrasies and
diminishing vocal ability, and also a lifetime to get the words muddled up.

And at the other extreme, there is a stunning anecdote in one of the Opie's
books about a singing game they found being played by children in
Birmingham in the 50s, with nonsense words.  The very same game, *with
identical words*, was described by Petronius as being performed by British
children brought to ancient Rome as captives.  So for 2000 years, British
kids have been passing that same ritual on from one generation to the next,
across the language barrier from Celtic to English (and the words already
meant nothing even in Petronius's time, so they must have come from an even
older language); and most of them have not given it a moment's thought as
adults.

Anyone here set out to see what they can learn from children's culture?

-- 
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17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
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From: lori@umbio.med.miami.edu (Lori Herrington)
Subject: Re: Did Jesus Exist (was Re: "Jesus did not claim....")
Organization: University of Miami Medical School
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:57:56 GMT

Last semester I took a History of Christianity class in which my text
book ( Christianity by Baiton) and my professor quoted Josephus ( a well
known jewish historian and should the jews did document Jesus's
existance as a man.  The romans also had hime listed in a few
documents... as a man of course...he did live.
-- 
lori@umbio.med.miami.edu

******************************

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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: a gift for Ciaran
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:11:00 GMT

In article <BuBpyI.Hvy@encore.com>, aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) writes...
>darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
> 
>>Hi, Ciaran,
> 
>>I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed your various posts. You are
>>truly a wonderful person - don't ever leave alt.pagan!
> 
>>My gift is a tune (I am a Tuneweaver, after all). I hope you like
>>Irish music. This is a slip jig. I'm posting it here as a postscript
>>file. It should be printable from any postscript printer. If you
>>(or anyone else) has trouble with it let me know.
> 
>Hey..this is neat..I love this stuff. You got any more music you can
>post?
> 
>/al
> 
> 
>>Richard
>>(Tuneweaver)
>-- 
>Al Aldrich	inet:aaldrich@encore.com
>"..if you understood everything I said, you'd be me." miles davis
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>MY opinions are not to be construed as those of my employer.

PARDON MY OFF-TOPIC-NESS.........

huh?

I gathered that you posted something that can be played, but
I don't understand what or how.  Could someone e-mail
me and turn on the light for me. Thanks

Tammy

WE NOW RETURN YOU TO ALT.PAGAN.........
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Penta-theism????
Keywords: What??????
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:12:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>Oh, I should add that some Witches, including myself, are moving more and more
>to a penta-theism rather than a duo-theism.

Could you explain what you mean by this.  I am guessing that
you are refering to the Triple Goddess and the Dual God.
But I want to make sure.  Please discuss the concept.

Blessed be
Tammy
From: alizard@drc.UUCP (alizard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: re: Survey Garbage (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 18:02:26 PDT
Organization: BLa Bla Bla Bla Bla BLa BLa Concord,Ca

You should have read the Colvin post a bit closer. His statement
that he has already managed to bullshit sysops into deleting users
(5, I think) accounts for daring to complain to him at the only
address he provided on the grounds that it was costing him money
means that he is not a casual nuisance, at least to the users who
are no longer with us thanks to good old Chris. 

You have also misunderstood the basic issue. Chris has taken the
position that posting via the Berkeley gateway from an on-line service
means that he can do anything he damn well pleases on Usenet, because
Compuserve doesn't care what he does. His position is that if he feels
like posting a meg from his favorite Xtian propaganda on the Net, he
can, and if you are paying by the kilobyte, he has the divine right
to make you pay to read it. 

And to take legal action against anyone who complains to him as he
hides behind his on-line service provider.

B*B
alizard
responses to:
  alizard@tweekco.uucp  OR  boo!tweekco!alizard@PacBell.COM
  [uunet]!pacbell!boo!tweekco!alizard
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From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: Re: the Cretan bitmap (why not?)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:23:50 GMT

altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.020038.13038@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:


>The shareware program PaintShop (PSHOP.EXE) also translates IMG, MAC,
>PIC, TIFF and WPG formats (in addition to the above), and has some paint
>features as well. I don't know the shareware fee, sorry. 

Actually..it is now PaintShop Pro..that JASC is marketing..as you say,
it is a shareware program that is good for 30 days before you are
obligated to pay $49 for registration..it is available through
ftp site wuarchive in directory mirrors/msdos/windows3 as  pspro101.zip
There is also a jpeg converter called winjp150.zip in the same place.

>Both are available over common ftp sites. Paintshop is available from

>   JASC, Inc.
>   17743 Evener Way
>   Eden Prairie, MN 55346 USA

>I don't have an address for Wingif. BTW, I am not connected in any way 
>with the authors of either program.

Nor I..

/al


-- 
Al Aldrich	inet:aaldrich@encore.com
"..if you understood everything I said, you'd be me." miles davis
----------------------------------------------------------------------
MY opinions are not to be construed as those of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher)
Subject: Re: Going to Iceland (or elsewhere)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 16:03:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:

>Wasn't planning, but I think I will.  Really was just curious.
>I wonder where you go to learn Icelandic?

For reading it, UC Berkeley Extension has a series of four
correspondence courses on learning Icelandic by reading the Sagas.

Speaking it is more problematic.  A guy I know called the Icelandic
Consulate (which in this part of the world is a nice retired older
couple who lives in Walnut Creek, as I recall) and got a
recommendation from them.  Perhaps there's one in your area; look it
up.  Or check the closest major metropolitan area.
From: gerda@brewich.hou.tx.us (Gerda Thunarsson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Hazel Eyes
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 14:38:28 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
> Hey Donal, can we start a "Hazel Eyes" group.  Seems when I
> look in the mirror I see these "Hazel Eyes" staring back at
> me.  

 
what the hell color is hazel, anyway?  is that anything like chartruese?
 
what happened to blue, green, grey etc....
 
Gerda

------------------
gerda@brewich.hou.tx.us (Gerda Thunarsson)
(Alternate) gerda%brewich@lobster.hou.tx.us
Origin: The Brewer's Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350
     "Silence is the voice of complicity" - Vote Early, Vote Often!
From: evc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Edward Van Cura)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: D.J. Conway: caveat emptor
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:09:48 GMT


In the issue #2 of *Mountain Thunder*, Gunnora Hallakarva reviews
the D.J. Conway book, *Norse Magic*. The following on page 24
is her summation:

"While one may wish to get a copy of Conway's *Norse Magic* to keep 
as a textbook example of "what not to do," by and large the book
is a waste of time, and may actually be damaging to Asatru due
to the distinct likelihood that persons with a developing interest in
the religion of the North may buy Conway's book as their first look 
into Teutonic matters, and emerge with a very mistaken view of what
our ancestors actually practiced and believed. Others who have been
associated with Wiccan groups in the past, and who are currently
looking for a religion closer to their ancestral roots, may be totally
"turned off" to Norse spirituality by Conway's *Norse Magic*. As the
Romans were wont to say, "caveat emptor" ...let the buyer beware! "

=-= Thorfinn Einarsson =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ring of Troth =-=
"Ignore that man behind the curtain." --Wizard of Oz   *   Othala  ALU
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ek ann Freyja! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Subject: Re: Favorite Bible Verses
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:17:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.154615.27996@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>In article <8SEP199221092286@jane.uh.edu> lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>}>Paul a deciple of Christ said
>}
>}Sorry Chris, I have to go against you on this one.  Paul may have
>}called himself a disciple of Christ, but he never even met Christ
>}much less studied under him.
>
>Good try.  The claim is that Saul met him on the road to the D place.

I suggest reading your bible. He did not meet Christ in the flesh, but
through an vision. Beyond that, he was living in the diaspora, not in 
Palestine. And of a different generation. And we're pretty sure HE didn't
do much of the writing attributed to him. Good try anyway. What is your
point? Trying to PROVE something? In my experience, most of the people
here don't regard the bible as literally true, so it's hardly valid to use
it to prove a historical hypothesis.

And just who WERE the disciples, anyway? You won't find agreement in your
bible.

Blessings and good reading,

Murray

-- 
Murray M. Altheim      "Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille,
Instructional Consultant    La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille
CSU, Sacramento          Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict
altheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: men's spirituality (was Re: New Pagans and Reading)
Keywords: do it thineself
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
	<iJBsqB3w165w@ailanth.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:36:29 GMT

In article <iJBsqB3w165w@ailanth.UUCP> 
ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>people seem to overlook the fact that WOMEN are creating women's mysteries.
>women are creating women's spiritualiy.  a lot of work and love and creativity
>and time has gone into the quest, and it is OUR grail we are seeking.  we are
>not doing spirituality for you, we are doing it for us.  when i write we
>ritual, i write one that moves me, that makes ME feel closer to the divine.

Yeah, I'm with you, remember Sly Stone: It's your thang, a do whatcha
wanna do, I can't tell ya, who to sock it to? Diversity first, unity
later. I said lata!

>if men want mysteries, if men want spirituality, if men want gods and male
>symbolism and male initiations, for christ sake CREATE THEM!!!!!!!  women
>created the dianic movement because it was what they wanted, what they needed,
>something they could love.  if you want a dionysiac movement or whatever, get
>to work.

I'd be down with that. In Vino Veritas. I've always found it sad that
the Apollonians have taken over, well, back to work as they say.
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: the damned bitmap
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:56:50 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

>It appears that I didn't uuencode the thing before mailing it to people.
>I await the verdict (that's you, Bran) as to whether or not the encoded
>version works after it's decoded.  If so, I will post it.

>Blessings,
>Janis


The verdict is not guilty.  Um, well, I mean....it's working. :)


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
From: alizard@drc.UUCP (alizard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: for anyone who has had trouble contacting me (alizard)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 16:20:55 PDT
Organization: BLa Bla Bla Bla Bla BLa BLa Concord,Ca

  alizard@tweekco.uucp
         OR
  boo!tweekco!alizard@PacBell.COM
         OR
  [uunet]!pacbell!boo!tweekco!alizard

Bright Blessings...
alizard
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: adams@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Brynach ap Adda)
Subject: Re: hello again
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:36:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.164736.2940@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>I also decided it was presumptuous to use the name of a Goddess-figure on
>a newsgroup, so I have changed my usename. It is now Rosaleen Dhu, which
>is pidgin-Gaelic for "black rose". (Anybody out there who's read "Born To
>Run" will know what I'm talking about.)
>					Rosaleen Dhu

You know, this really used to bother me a lot. Just from the Welsh end of
it, who knows how many Ceridwens, Taliesins, Myrddins and Arianrhods there
are floating about in the Pagan community.

I don't mind it so much any more. I think it's all right to take the name
of a deity so long as a *LOT* of reflection is done on the name and what
it signifies, and the deity herself is consulted in the matter. Unfortunately,
I don't see a lot of evidence that this is being done. The same damn handful
of names is used over and over again, and it seems like I keep running
into sweet giggly women named Ceridwen and linear alpha-male engineers named 
Taliesin. Now Ceridwen - if she was in fact an ancient Brythonic deity (Ronald
Hutton offers evidence that she was named/created some time in the 11th Cent.)
- is the Death that transforms. Taliesin is he who is destroyed and reborn as
a madman/seer. These are not sweetness and light sort of people, dammit; they
are fierce and divinely crazy people, and I think sooner or later those names
are going to catch up with their wearers. Instant Karma, you know. 

I much prefer creative names or composite names, whether they're in English, 
Celtic, Norse or what have you. And the Celts had all kinds of great names.
One of my favorites: Cunobelinus (Cynfelyn in Welsh; sometimes called
"Cymbeline"). "Hound of Belenos." This is a little like the Sanskrit Ram Dass,
"servant of Rama" (God). What a great feeling of devotion, just in those names!
My birth name, Samuel, has a similar Hebrew meaning: Samu-el, "His name is
Lord." I still use it, whatever my disagreements with most of Yahwism.  
Natural names are great too. "Rosaleen Dhu" is lovely.

Fight Sacred Name devaluation! Let's give a few of these names a little
rest, shall we? 

Brynach Brawdfran ap Adda       (Sam Adams)   adams@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu

"I am the Wheel, I am the Turning..."    - Brian Eno and John Cale
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: SF Artists Tarot Deck
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:22:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Several years ago a person told me about a tarot deck that was
(limited) published.  Someone had gotten together enough Science
Fiction and Fantasy artists to assign one card out of the deck to
each artist.  Does anybody out there know anything about this?
Even if it is a "collector's item" and cost mega-bucks, I would
still like to know about it.  (First of all whether its true or
not.)

Thanks,
Tammy
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Men's Mysteries
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:29:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <fSq2OT9@quack.sac.ca.us>, pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
> 
> An idea for what it's worth. Go on a quest, a journey, road trip by car,
> backpack, just walk, whatever, some environment that forces the people
> involved to address only the issue, no distractions. 

This is a good idea. When I was a boy my parents and I lived for 4
years in Kathmandu, Nepal (my dad was with USAID). This naturally
was the best 4 years of my life, but the highlight was when my dad
took me on a 12-day trek up in the Himalayas in northern Nepal.
It was right around my 12th birthday.
This was by far the nicest thing he ever did for me and it was 
definitely a peak experience (except getting altitude sickness
in the middle of the night at Tangboche). I have never before
viewed this experience as a "rite of passage", but Paul's post
made me realize that if any experience was a rite of passage for
me, this trip was. 12 days of walking in the mountains, in a 
basically alien (but very friendly) culture (we often stayed in
Sherpa homes). But really Tangboche monastery was the most
important part of the trip, because that's where I met the
reincarnate lama, the abbot of Tangboche. He had my dad and me
in for tea, and something about him planted a seed that later
resulted, I am convinced, in my "discovery" of Buddhism. His
calmness and bliss somehow left a deep impression. Clearly, if
a rite of passage is something that sets a course for your life,
then this has to qualify. The down side is that I've always felt
that my dad, good Presbyterian that he is, was disappointed in 
me for "abandoning" Christianity. I'd have to characterize our
relationship as distant (not hostile, not warm). Somehow I've
never really been able to communicate very well with him, but
that's another story...

I'll post more about Nepal if folks are interested.

Blessings,

Richard
(Tuneweaver)
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Learning in North Carolina
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:26:48 GMT

In article <263RqB5w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> gerda@brewich.hou.tx.us (Gerda Thunarsson) writes:
>morgan@brewich.hou.tx.us (Morgan ap Rhys) writes:
>
>> Any of these can give you a good start on the road.  I have found that 
>> tbe best sources are B. Daltons, Waldenbooks, and the Book Stop.  Being 
>> national chains and not small independent stores, they have more freedom 
> 
>i find the B. Dalton's is a hit or miss thing.  some have a good pagan 
>section, well not good, almost adequate would be a better term, and 
>others have nothing at all.  In Houston, Waldenbooks at Northwest Mall is 
>the best of the Walden/Dalton chain.  Where I agree on BookStop being the 
>best.  You can get a lot of the books you want/need at the Magick 
>CAuldron, but you can get them at a discount at Waldenbooks or Bookstop.

For those in the SoCal area, there is BookStar.  It's a big chain
(although there isn't one near me -- there's one in Torrance, I think)
and a friend of mine -- Sally -- found Green Egg and New Moon Rising
there, as well as just about anything else.  The owner is a big believer
in making ALL information open to people.

Blessings,
Janis
From: elton@sybase.com (Elton Wildermuth)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Late into the fray
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:26:56 GMT
Organization: Paratheo-Anametamystikhood of Eris Esoteric, Edwin Meese Cabal

Ciaran Benson responds to Leigh Ann's correction, Templars/Teutonics:
>In article <23121@sybase.sybase.com>, leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey) 
>writes:
>> [...]
>  Leigh Ann;
>  I see that my posts are, apparently, not getting out.  I sent
>out quite a few posts last week which didn't seem to get very
>far, and weren't echoed back here and whatnot ...

Just so everyone knows:  Sybase gets its news feed as a cooperative
effort from an upstream source that is, shall we say, not the best.
We are not being censored; the server is overburdened.  Articles are
typically 2 days to 2 weeks late when they arrive here, and many
articles don't get through to us at all.

When someone from this site launches into a discussion that concluded
days ago, it's because we are only just seeing it for the first time
today.  Further, often enough, we are missing some context.

Yeah, we could spend the, what, 40-50 bucks a month to get a high
quality feed that downloads literally everything, but that would
almost seem like cheating.

			-- Elton
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