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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:28:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.011530.1956@zip.eecs.umich.edu> stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.004447.17088@netcom.com> mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.195012.7950@Virginia.EDU> cew2w@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Edward Wrike) writes:
>>>	How about "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card?  You know
>>>who you could get to star?
>>
>>That could be a good movie... if done right.
>>
>>>	MAUCALY CULKIN!!!!
>>
>>[1.5MB of agonized shrieks and violent retching deleted.]
>>
>>I don't think so.  
>
>A little thought experiment I've been working on:
>
>	If you were riding in a Russian sleigh pursued by hungry wolves
>	and had to throw out one passenger to lighten your load and your
>	only travelling companions were McCaulay Culkin and Wesley
>	Crusher, who would you jettison and why?
>
>	-- Stewart "I'd chuck *both* of 'em" Tame

I'd throw Weasley to the wolves and Keep Culkin in case I needed some
emergency rations, or I ran into more wolves. Also, Wesley, despite
his extreme skinniness, has to weigh more than Culkin, so I'd go
faster without him.

How bout we beat Crusher to death with Culkin and then they both die, with
no murder weapon.
B}

					--Judex--

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From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: ZARDOZ
Keywords: ZARDOZ
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:50:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.072124.23692@news.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE> k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai) writes:
>In article <7537@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> fleurant@hri.com (P.Fleurant) writes:
>>Zardoz, written, directed and produced by J.Boorman is out 
>>on tape. (CBS video)
>>
>>It is uncut!   
>>
>>This 1974 film stars  S.Connery (007) in a very non-James Bond
>>role with C. Rampling.
>>
>>IMHO this movie is still way ahead of its time and no other SF film
>>has since come close to its satire, comedy, and drama.
>>
>Nor have they managed to match it's silliness, plot mis-handling,
>bad direction, or lapses in logic.
>
>It's still an awful lot of fun to watch. Can't beat Sean Connery 
>running around with a pony-tail while wearing a red diaper!
>
>Matt Marchese	    The opinions expressed here are not those of my employer, *

Glad to see I wasn't the only one who noticed. Connery looks an awful lot
like Burt Reynolds here, and I guess Boorman wanted Reynolds originally.
I saw this when it was new, and I have watched it many times since. it's
a lot of fun, but it also pretty damn silly. Nice effects though.
Still seems like it was aimed at the "head" film crowd, and it hit it
right on. Great sound editing. But very silly.
Pax
<All IMHO, naturally>
					--Judex--
From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Favorite Movie One-Liners
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:00:58 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
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qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:


>	I really laughed during Ghostbusters when Dan Aykroyd
>blasted the chandelier in the hotel and then apologized
>profusely.  Bill Murray responded deadpan: "It's O.K.  The
>table broke the fall."
>

One of my favorite lines in the Ghostbusters stuff is:

"RAY, if someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" - Winston.

Dave							-Quinn
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David Donald - donald@dvinci.usask.ca	| "Get rich quick, or poor slowly."
Communications Systems Research Group	|		- R. J. Bolton, Ph.D. 
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada.	| (Who, incidentally, also spent some 
"The Great White North" (tm)		| time in the land of Oz...Coincidence?)
From: spongebo@cithara.login.qc.ca (THE EYE-BALL KID)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Unrealistic space scenes
Keywords: n
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:49:13 GMT
Organization: Organ Grinders Monkeys Union With Penguins As Mascots

corwin@ensta.ensta.fr (Gilles Gravier) writes:

> In article <19739@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> news@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed
> >>olljmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
> >>
> >>> In article <1992Dec9.193652.1@vax1.umkc.edu> kgassner@vax1.umkc.edu  
> >>> writes:
> >>> > 5. The propulsion system of ships is always active in the same way,  
> >>> regardless
> >>> >    what kind of maneuver they are performing.
> >>> >    As long as a ship doesn't change course, the propulsion system  
> >>> should be 
> >>> >    off. (E.g. in those Big-Ship-is-slowly-passing-the-camera-shots)  
> >>> But the
> >>> >    fancy lights on the end of the ships are just looking so nice. 
> >>> > 
> >>> 
> >>> Why?  We only do that now because fuel is so expensive. If you had
> >>> a ship that was actually capable of continuous 1 G acceleration,
> >>> you'd probably keep the engine on most of the time.
> 
> 
> 	Have you tryed to look at it this way: We are always assuming a mode
> of propulsion where an engine is used to generate a force, which, multiplied
> by the mass of the ship results in an accelleration (g=f/m) g being the
> accelleration in Newtons... THis acelleration is then integrated on a period
> of time, to produce a speed, g=dv/dt, which speed is then integrated on the
> same period of time to produce a movement (v=dx/dt)... Well, given these laws
> of physics, it is normal that if speed is constant, then g=dv/dt=0... No
> accelleration is need, so no energy is need to keep a ship flying in a strait
> line, at a constant speed, in deep space. That is, of course, considering tha
> space is *ABSOLUTELY* empty, so that no tiny particules of star-dust, no
> photons, will slow the ship down... In which case, a minimum accelleration
> would be needed...
> 
> 	But, what no-one ever considers is another form of movement... In a
> futuristic civilisation, you could imagine that engines could directly conver
> energy into speed (E=1/2mv2), or directly into movement (there is now law
> relating to this latest except quantum physics laws which give statistic 
> information on the probabilist position of a particle given it's energy).
> 
> 	So, you could imagine a situation where as long as the engine is
> 'burning', the ship can generate successive positions for itself.. Thus the
> engines always on...
> 
> 	Hope that wasn't too boring!
> 
> 	Gilles.

Not to mention the fact that if they DON'T run the engine, the battery goes
flat -- can you imagine how long it would take the AAA to get you jump-started
in  SPACE?

Spongebo - THE EYE-BALL KID (:::::-)

spongebo@cithara.login.qc.ca
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From: dave@yoyodyne.demon.co.uk (David Bisping)
Subject: Re: T2 wish list. 
Distribution: world
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Reply-To: dave@yoyodyne.demon.co.uk
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:01:21 +0000

In article <1992Dec17.104355.23181@prime.mdata.fi> jarnis@mits.mdata.fi writes:

>FALSE! I Have panasonic J-45 VCRs, and they have NTSC playback
>on PAL tv. TV doesn't have to be modern. Only thing is that
>IF you TV is too high tech, you'll have to switch it to NTSC
>mode. Low tech TVs like my 15" Salora which is about 5 years
>old and was VERY cheap model when I bought it, work like
>charm.

Have to disagree with this, the TV has to be a modern that can switch to the 
60Hz scan rate used in the US. Old TV's can't do this and u get a rolling 
picture. Some newer TV's now can take the pure NTSC feed but these are pretty
rare to the mo.

>>Then there's high priced VCR which makes the NTSC-->PAL conversion;
>>this video can convert anything to anything in any country.
>>This allows the possibility copy NTSC tapes to PAL tapes.
>>
>>Well, yes, it is sorry to live here anyway.
>>
>
>Yes, these cost a fortune, a grandma or two and few gold nuggets
>to purchase, but they are TRUE NTSC/PAL converters.
>

A Panasonic WS1 can be got for around 1,500 pds, quite expensive but not
unrealistic, does quite a good job as well. Also there is a Aiwa that will
go NTSC->PAL easily and PAL->NTSC if u have a NTSC vcr for bout 350 pds.
Quality OKish.

Dave...
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From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: favorite movie one-liners
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:04:18 EST

Yoda in TESB: "Do it or don't do it. But don't TRY it..." (quoted from
head, so...)

There was a lot in the Aliens 1-2-3, but can't quote precisely, so...

Take care

Robert
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From: gallim@stsci.edu (Jack Gallimore,P254)
Subject: Sphere & Rama and Monolith
Originator: gallim@icarus.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:20:44 GMT

From article <92Dec15.181859.30381@acs.ucalgary.ca>, by scollnik@acs.ucalgary.ca (David Peter Michael Scollnik):
> In article <1992Dec14.195012.7950@Virginia.EDU>
> cew2w@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Edward Wrike) writes:
>>	Concerning Sci-Fi books that would make good movies,
>>  	Does anyone out there think "Sphere" by
>>Michael Crichton would be a good movie?  James Caan, Dana
>>Delany, and Wesley Snipes in the leads?  Get Ridley Scott to
>>direct?  I think it would be damn good.
>>	--Chris Wrike
> 
>  I beg to differ.  I just finished reading the novel, and although
>  most of the book was interesting, the ending was little more than 
>  a re-working of the classic "I woke up and it was all a dream". 

	A c'mon.  the ending was fun and politically
	incorrect what else could you ask for? Outside
	of perhaps Dick and Clarke (and others that I'll
	leave out and get flamed over by some repressed
	freshman), aren't most SF plots tired reworkings
	of old themes?
> 
>  At present I'm reading  A.C. Clarkes last Rama novel. One or more 
>  of the  books in that series might make it on the big screen.  Is 
>  anyone else  out there  waiting  for a  monolith ( a la 2001 ) to 
>  appear in the final Rama novel ?

	Probably the best thing that could happen is that
	someone finds the Sphere, and wishes away Rama II
	and Garden of Rama, and then Ridley Scott makes
	a film of Rendezvous with Rama.  Then wish for Gentry
	Lee to get a really big promotion so that he
	forgets his desire to collaborate on SF novels.
	And then they beat MacCaulay Culkin and Wesley
	crusher over the head with the Sphere.

	The End

-- 
         Jack Gallimore
        Academic Affairs
Space Telescope Science Institute
        gallim@stsci.edu
From: thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Stephanie M. Clarkson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: *yawn* movie season
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:56:05 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: darkpark

Is it just me or has this season been really dead sci-fi wise?
 
I mean, there are alot of fantasies (Aladdin, Muppet Christmas Carol,
Toys), but there're no sci-fi flicks going...I mean, the only
discussion thread here for ages has been what books would be great 
movies, when we should be discussing what movies are out that are
good.
 
Last year there were tonnes of sci-fi movies...what happened?
 
 
Stephanie...
 


    Stephanie M. Clarkson : thespian@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca         
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    What do you give the guy who  |  "Well, there are the usual           
    has nothing?                  |  things; flowers, chocolates,
     -- The wrong phone number.   |  promises you don't intend to
                                  |  keep."           - Cogsworth       
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From: jackson@sn.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Reply-To: jackson@sn.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:35:22 GMT

Has anybody mentioned Alfred Bester's THE STARS MY DESTINATION?
This has to be the single most SF novel that begs to be made
into a film. Very expensive tho.
(A strange thing about Bester's Novel, and I have never seen
anyone note it, is that tho it differs totally in detail it
echos BLADERUNNER in many ways. As does for that matter much
of the urban landscape fiction that appeared in Galaxy magazine
1950-1960 especially those years under editor H.L. Gold. 
Not only Bester but Fred Phol and C.M. Kornbluth's novels are
almost set in the same Bladerunner universe. In fact BLADERUNNER
itself hews more to early Dick like Solar Lottery , ect. than it
does to DADOES, anybody notice this?)
....

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From: mcameron@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (melissa joan cameron)
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:51:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.011530.1956@zip.eecs.umich.edu> stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame) writes:
>A little thought experiment I've been working on:
>
>	If you were riding in a Russian sleigh pursued by hungry wolves
>	and had to throw out one passenger to lighten your load and your
>	only travelling companions were McCaulay Culkin and Wesley
>	Crusher, who would you jettison and why?
>
>	-- Stewart "I'd chuck *both* of 'em" Tame
>

I want the answer to this one!!!!! :)
****************** 
Melissa J. Cameron	NeXT mail:  mcameron@dakota.ucs.indiana.edu
"Misquotation takes three basic forms: 1.  Putting the wrong words in
the right mouth; 2.  Putting the right words in the wrong mouth; and
3.  Putting the wrong words in the wrong mouth." -- Ralph Keyes


Xref: sparky rec.arts.sf.movies:9367 rec.arts.movies:35287 alt.cult-movies:11236
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Date: 14 Dec 1992 22:57:40 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Dec14.195012.7950@Virginia.EDU> cew2w@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Edward Wrike) writes:
>  	Does anyone out there think "Sphere" by
>Michael Crichton would be a good movie?  James Caan, Dana
>Delany, and Wesley Snipes in the leads?  Get Ridley Scott to
>direct?  I think it would be damn good.

	No.  Nononononononono.  Crichton's done lost of good books, why make a
movie out of the worst?  I mean, with the way people savaged the end of The
Abyss (for one), one of two things would happen with Sphere:  (1) people would
complain loudly and longly about the rotten ending which it has or (2) they'd
re-write the end, and even if it worked better on-screen than the books (and it
would be difficult for that not to happen), people would scream about how they
were unfaithful to the original book (see: Patriot Games).  Besides, the book
is so convoluted and preposterous that no studio would do it.  IMHO, of
course.  :)

>	How about "Ender's Game" by Orson Scott Card?  You know
>who you could get to star?
>	MAUCALY CULKIN!!!!

	Actually, I think Card's contract gives him veto power over any
decision movie-makers may make, ESPECIALLY who they get to play Ender.  Which
means that if/when Ender's Game gets made, there will be a lead who at least
LOOKS 6 or 7, and won't be an obnoxious little ham.

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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: HIGHLANDER II..seen extra scenes!!!
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:13:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.025332.25862@mtu.edu> destill@mtu.edu (Still) writes:
>	AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!  Please,
>make them stop!!!!  No more H2, PLEASE!  ( *SLAP!* ).
>
>Sorry, lost control for a moment ... KILL THE PRODUCER! (*SLAP!*) ...
>.. still going through the denial stage...
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Wimp. everybody whined for a sequel that would explain the first movie. 
this is what they got, only now you don't like it. Wah!
It's not any worse than the first one, makes more sense, and is simply 
lacking the visual style of H1.  If it had all the fancy camera choreography
of the first one, it would probably be better, or at least make more sense.

the first one makes no sense. I have seen it lots of times, and while it is
pretty, nothing is explained. But that wasn't good enough for some, they
wanted explanations and more. Well, you got it, now deal with it
pink boys.

Pax
<all IMHO, as if I could speak for someone else. Scha, right!>
Pax
					--Judex--
From: law015@aberdeen.ac.UK
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: 2001
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:20:11 GMT


	The book does help understand the 'moving' sequence.  But see also
another books *The Lost Worlds of 2001* where various versions of various
parts are given by Clarke - drafts and ideas as it were.  There was always
a concept of Bowman being moved through a mechanism - pipe - or something
to the world of the makers of the Monolith.  That fits what happens in the
film.  Incidentally, does not a large chunk show a helicopter flight over
Scotland in false colours??
			Frank Lyall
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From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: Sick of DECKARD!!!!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:18:07 GMT

Biggs is a Replicant!

Steve
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From: jkwashna@pearl.tufts.edu (J.J. Kwashnak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Highlander - two versions?
Date: 10 Dec 92 21:16:00 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <alien.01rp@acheron.amigans.gen.nz>, alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes...
>I've heard from the Net and several other sources that two different versions
>of "Highlander" were released, a "full" version in Europe and a "cut" version
>in America. 
>Is this true, or just another urban legend?

I've seen both the American version and the Japanese Laser Disk version of
the film.  The Laser disk version has some extra scenes and some extension of
others.  Not much but it does make the story clearer.

>If it's true, can anybody describe the scenes that were present/absent in each
>version? I'd like to be able to figure out which version we saw here in New
>Zealand (and, if it was the short one, I'd like to know what I've been
>missing!). The different running times would help too.
> 
>Thanks in advance...

Well, the duel on Boston Common continues beyond Connor's apology for 
calling the opponant's wife a bloated warthog to include some gunplay between
the dueler and his second.

Most importantly, there is a scene with Connor in World War II saving the 
young child Rachel from the Nazis.  It puts some of the later scenes between
him and Rachel in a context.  

There are a couple of other things, nothing really important that I can't 
call up from my memory right now. 

J.J. Kwashnak
JKWASHNA@pearl.tufts.edu
From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Sick of DECKARD!!!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:52:14 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <724420380snx@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au>, by cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham):
> Look!  It doesn't matter if Deckard was a replicant or not!  It won't
> change the movie!

It does.  Perhaps you don't get it, but it does.  Anyway, the
discussion on this topic has been dead for weeks, and everybody's glad
about it, too.  Why do you bring it up again?  Are you so far behind
on your newsreading, or are you an agent provocateur sent by the
forces behind the rec.arts.sf.movies.bladerunner proposal?

-- 
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University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
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If you meet Deckard on the road, kill him.
From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: re:alien 4..the saga continues..
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:21:45 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Dec3.145129.2152@dct.ac.uk>, bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk writes:
|>
|>
|>uss enterprise is
|>sucked thru a wormhole

Ah yes.  But all hands were killed due to extreme tidal stress.  If
fact, only one identifiable artifact was found, one of Scotty's favorite
wrenches.  The last trace of the pride of the Federation fleet was a
star-mangled spanner.
                   
Henry Troup - H.Troup@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
	       Legislated morality is the enemy of true morality
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From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: t2 wish list.
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:05:32 EST

Sorry, Gord, but I think when John said "It's definitely you", he meant
that the gun with its weight & robust look fit to T2's personality...

I DO miss the cut scenes nevertheless. I've seen a couple of folios made
for the future war scenes, I it drives me mad that they didn't shoot it
(or did but was cut). The only thing I missed from both T's is that they
didn't show more of this future war - it would be fantastic, with the
machines & that depressing poetic atmosphere...

Take care

Robert
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