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Date:         Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:23:00 +1600
From:         USR2879A@CBOS.UC.EDU
Subject:      Fire extinguishers

Last night, I needed my fire extinguisher to extinguish a fire that has been
determined to be an arson of our dog's house.  Luckily, my parents discovered
the fire before our home became involved.  According to the arson investigator

FD if it had gone 10 more minutes, our home would have become involved.  Flames
were reaching 20 feet off the ground.

The extinguisher that failed was a Kidde Fire Away 110.  The extinguisher had
all of its inspection tags and pins intact.  1 A 10BC.  I purchased it only
1 month ago and it was made in September of 1992.

Has anyone else had a Kidde extinguisher fail to operate?

What brand extinguisher do you recommend?
   Michael P. Rolfes, usr2879a@cbos.uc.edu  Ohio Valley REACT Inc. #2601
                Cincinnati, OH  USA
CB Channel 9 KHY-1303 ***** VHF-FM 151.625 WPBC-440.

Hamilton County Disaster and Emergency Services
American Red Cross --Standard First Aid
American Heart Association -- Basic Life Support Certified
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Subject: Junior Firefighter programs
From: kindbom@kenyon.edu
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:02:29 -0500
Organization: Kenyon College

Does anyone have information on junior firefighter programs?  I am specifically
interested in insurance/liability issues, if any, in having junior members
participate in training with the department.  So far we have been very informal
with the handful of junior members, and would like to become more organized.  I
have worked up a program proposal, but would be interested in what other
volunteer departments do, and would be willing to share the program we have
decided on.
Jane Kindbom   FF/EMT-A
College Township Fire Department
Gambier, Ohio
From: Todd.Hockert@f6.n288.z1.fidonet.org (Todd Hockert)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: PATCHES
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:24:51 -0800

Todd Hockert
FM Ambulance Service
1101 1st Avenue South
Fargo, ND 58103
 
Paul, I can't remember if I sent you one already. I sent about 8 letters
out Thursday 12-11 so they should start arriving at the destinations
next week. Let me know if you don't get anything at the end of next
week.
 
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From: hoser@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Michael James Golden)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Pager question..
Date: 15 Dec 1992 03:20:40 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
    You stated that you are in a Campus EMS organization and are concerned that professors may not appreciate the disturbance of a pager going off in class.  What will they say to the interruption of a student leaving class.  We have
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From: buckley@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BUCKLEY  CHARLES RAY)
Subject: Re: pager answer.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:46:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.232441.5790@pro-berks.cts.com> Diana DeNearing <diana@PRO-BERKS.CTS.COM> writes:
>What'sthe problem the professors have with tones? The pagers I and my
>firefighter friend use makes beeps and tones all the time, and I have yet
>to have a professor grumble about the noise, mainly because my pager gets
>turned off within two beeps, and my friends is running down the hall with
>him before the tones even finish. My mother carries a vibrate/noise pager,
>and often forgets to transfer it from vibrate to noise when she goes to
>bed. When she doesn't respond, then the phone rings, and she gets a 'talk
>to' <she's an on-call pharmacist for a nursing home>. I suppose there are
>advantages to both, but I would go with the beep pagers given the choice.
>
>Diana

The problem that I have is my professor's pager going off. He's the volunteer.
He's been known to take off during exams to fight fires. Very nerve wracking 
during finals.

-- 
Charles Buckley    buckley@ucsu.colorado.edu

Just another West Virginia exile in the land of make believe.

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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:31:52 EST
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From:         "Kenneth P. Lager Jr." <kenlager@PRO-BERKS.CTS.COM>
Subject:      Dual Membership

Along the lines of dual membership...

        I belonged to the boro FD at home.  We only ran about 50 calls a
year if we were lucky.  I was pretty active in and enjoyed what I did.
When I transferred to a small state college in a small town, I decided to
volunteer here.  I was not expecting to run almost 200 a year including two
interstates.  I got so invilved at school, that over winter break, I joined
the bordering town's larger FD to keep trained.  There is a grudge between
the two companies, but if you just laugh all the jokes and jeers off going
        Not manu people can say they are fully active in three companies.
That exposes me to different SOPs, Practices and procedures.  I do also of
idea shuffling between all the companies, so everyone benefits in the end.

        I am just trying to say that strictly one-department memberships
are very unproductive and even counterproductive.  If there is anyone who
wants to help that bad, NOBODY should be able to stand in his/her way.

'Nuff Said.

Ken Lager
Fire/Rescue, NCRC Staff
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From: chinatti@bow.Princeton.EDU (Stephen Anthony Chinatti)
Subject: Re: ??s?: Motorola Radius (P200) radio
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:21:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.144535.4206@engage.pko.dec.com> dtsullivan@leds.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:
>
>
>I have been thinking about getting a radio for a while.  I buddy in my sqaud
>has a Motorola P200 (radius line) and I think that is one of the slickest
>looking radios I have seen. He just picked it up so didn't have anything to say 
>about it except the specs.

Dan,
  Too late, I believe Motorola has cancelled the P200 line as of now.
You may be able to pick one up used for a better price, though.  They
are handy radios if you don't need a lot of frequencies, and they are
VERY durable.  If you can find one, buy one, I don't think you'll be
disappointed with it.  I believe Motorola is considering the GP300 and
the newly introduced HT1000 as replacements (I'm not sure if they will
offer a Radius brand equivilent for the HT1000 like the HT600/P200
same-radio-in-a-different-color-case-with-a-different-warranty deal).
As for availability of used radios, you're pretty much on your own.
It is relatively difficult to come across a good inexpensize
synthesized portable, because they are so easy to sell.  Try local
dealers for demo models (since the line is no longer offered), and
also ask about the HT600, since it is the same radio, but offered
through different dealer channels.

	Steve


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From: kaufman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Pay (was: Multiple Memberships)
Reply-To: kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:57:32 GMT

bguest@ateam.ems.cdc.com (Brandon Guest) writes:

>2) Increased pay and pensions have made the extra membership very
>attractive to the point that some firefighters can almost make a 
>living off it (especially if they can pick up some additional 
>responsibilities- e.g. training officer, hazmat coordinator, etc.)
>I know of at least two other individuals who have dual membership
>and in this case they are officers on both departments and one is
>even a chief).

Just how are firefighters in all-volunteer jusisdictions paid?  Here
in California, with volunteer departments supporting paid stations, we
get $10 per training, up to 2 per month.  Total.  No pensions, but we do
have disability insurance paid by the county.  The $10 is a recent increase
from $5.  You certainly couldn't retire on that...

-- 
Marc Kaufman (kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU)

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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:26:52 EST
From:         Howard Berkis - CC28 <CC28@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      training

Does anyone have any good ideas for training for a small bls
volunteer corps, with little funds????

Also has anyone found a good way to get members to come to training
meetings

any help would be appreciated

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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:47:11 -0500
From:         AIRBORNE THE FIREMAN IS BACK <CDUNBAR@UNTVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Murphy's Law of EMS

Something to add for Fighters to Murphy's Law:

Everytime we painted the station, we got a house fire.
Everytime my mother (the captain) went out of town, we had a MAJOR
incident!

Everytime I washed the engine, we got a call.

So, you can imaging I spent a lot of time cleaning the engine and the station
and I always tried to get my mother to / find out when my mother would leave
for a weekend / week.  Worked every time, if I wanted to have a call =)

Christophe
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From: fireman@wam.umd.edu (Aaron Joseph Peterson)
Subject: Re: Pager question..
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:19:52 GMT

In article <hpg2-lf@rpi.edu> myersj@aix.rpi.edu (Jeffrey William Myers) writes:
>sperber@ee.rochester.edu (Michael Sperber) writes:
>
>
>>My campus EMS group here at the Universtiy of Rochester is interested
>>in getting Motorola Minitor II pagers.  Problem: Some of the professors
>>might not like the distraction of the tones going off in class.  Solution:
>
>I may b wrong, but I think the he minitors can be set with an option so the
>position of the volume control also controls the volume of the alert tone.
>You can then use an earpiece, with the volume low, in class without disturbing
>the other students.
Thats how mine works! Don't need an earphone with the volume all the way down
you will be the only one to hear the beep. Wear mine in church. A wristwatch
hour beep is louder.

Aaron J.Peterson FFIII (nat reg), EMT, Hazmat Technician, Advanced Rescue, etc





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From: brent@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Brent Kennedy)
Subject: Paediatric accidents
Organization: mikejag (mike) is a private system in Vancouver, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:04:36 GMT


We have had an increasing number of rather bizarre accidents over the last few
months.  They involve children with injuries of various severity from having
televisions falling on them, usually their heads.  Apparently the child is
either climbing on the TV, or reaching up to turn it on, and pulls it over.  
It wouldn't matter so much but the frequency has been increasing, and in one
case one of these accidents involved a fatality, and in a couple of others,
fairly serious facial and head injuries.   I don't quite understand how the
child can pull the TV over, and especially with the increasing number of
remote controls in use, why the child would be trying to turn the TV on by
pulling on it.  Has anyone else had any experience with these types of
accidents??


-- 
#     Brent Kennedy	      | The disease of "Trauma" is responsible for   #
#                             | more years of potential life lost than any   #
# brent@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca  | other disease, yet it's also the most        #
#		              | preventable, does that make any sense??      #
From: MEG04@ALBNYDH2.BITNET (Mike Gilbertson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Murphy's Law of EMS
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:50:41 GMT
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Organization: Emergency Medical Services Bureau, NYS Department of Health
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              14 Dec 1992 19:56:34 GMT from <abcs3500@OSWEGO.EDU>

Here's my additions:

1.  Have a *very* important meeting at 8:30  (usually results in a call
at 5:55 just before going off duty)
2.  Talk about how 'we haven't had an arrest in a long time' (about 30%
effective - we don't talk about it to keep our community alive!)
3.  Talk about the repeat customers (Jim, who goes to the VA psych ward,
is one of the more amusing characters - he usually spits on the cot before
he sits down!) usually results in seeing one of them
4.  Take a week off - the rest of the crew then gets a bunch of really
hot calls.  - or maybe they make them up to make me jealous!
From: deglop@huey.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Pager question..
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:42:01 GMT
Organization: EEAP, CWRU, Cleveland
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In article <1992Dec11.174529.26110@ee.rochester.edu> sperber@ee.rochester.edu (Michael Sperber) writes:

>might not like the distraction of the tones going off in class.  Solution:
>A pager like the Minitor II, but includes a vibrate option.  Is there

Have you checked with a Motorola dealer?  I believe vibrate is an option
on the Minitor II.  Just one question, and the reason I don't see why
it's a useful option:  What good does it do to have a VOICE pager that
vibrates?  The pager is going to make noise anyway, so what good does it
do to eliminate the beep?


-- 
         Jacob DeGlopper, EMT-A, Wheaton (MD) Volunteer Rescue Squad
            -- CWRU Biomedical Engineering - jrd5@po.cwru.edu --
"Well as through this life I've rambled I've seen lots of funny men
 Some will rob you with a six-gun, some with a fountain pen." -- Woody Guthrie
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From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: LIGHT BARS 12/08/92 17: 45:30 ALL
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:44:27 GMT

In article <+jd2t1n@rpi.edu>, myersj@rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu (Jeffrey William Myers) writes:
> monty@VNET.IBM.COM writes:
...
> As far as strobes, I do not recommend the use of strobes.  The light emitted
> is to concentrated and is of too short a duration and can cause the pupils 
> to constrict (as in daylight), thus blinding other drivers at night.  The
> rotating lights are slower and usually less intensive as strobes, reducing
> blinding effects at night.  During the daytime I have found it more difficult
> to pick up strobes than rotators (although red becomes washed out in daylight).
> 
> When I can find it, I'll post a reference article title by Dr. Solomon, which
> discusses the merits of warning lights, both strobes and rotators.
> 

This depends on the discharge time of the strobe. A very short ( < 1msec )
flash of moderate energy is very attention getting. Longer ( 2-4msec ) flashes
can be real eye-scorches. Strobes can also be extremely dangerous to the eyes
of people close to the light.

I have found a combination of flash and light to be most efective. The flash
gets your attention, the light enables yopu to see what it was.

Could you post a summary of the Solomon article as well?

~Paul

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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:01:26 EST
From:         Darrell Duane Jr <dduane@GMUVAX2.GMU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Rescue Pumper Designs
              Dec 14, 92 4:30 am

Michael Cargian cybered
>
> seen some departments that have compartments above the hose, but
> it seems to close off the bed completely.  Any ideas or help would

On our new Pierce/Lance Rescue Pumper, we keep our stokes basket in a
diamond plate case above the hose bed.  This covers most of the
left half of the bed; however, to rerack the hose it is only a matter
of pulling a few cotter pins and lifting the case off.  With two
people on the bed we can set the case on the right half, or with
more we could take the whole thing off.  We keep a total of 1600 feet
of 3' hose.

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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:32:02 -0500
From:         AIRBORNE THE FIREMAN IS BACK <CDUNBAR@UNTVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Pay (was: Multiple Memberships)

In our department, volunteer firefighters (all) have an incentive program
(which I have described and summarized in several previous posts so I will
only mention it as an item in this one) and we have daytime paid dutymen
(dutyperson, I think, now) to man a station during low-manpower hours who
get paid on an hourly basis (min wage or above with overtime possible.
Usually 40 hours per week.)  I have also outlined this in a previous post.

For further information, please consult previous posts concerning incentive
programs or daytime paid staff or write me direct and I will gladly send
you a summary of both.

Christophe
From: Jim.Henthorn@f1044.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Henthorn)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Staffing
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:22:00 -0800

On 12-15-92, Bruce Phillips said to All and I quote:

BP>I am looking for information in the following areas. The City of 
BP>Manchester N.H. has a population of just over 100,000 people and
covers 
BO>35 sq. miles.

Baltimore County has a population of just over 800,000 and covers 610 sq

miles.

BP>What I need, is to hear from Departments that are similar and how you

BP>stand in the following areas..
BP> 
BP>        Manning

        Career - 997 uniform personnel combined Suppression and EMS 
                (approximately 249 per shift)
        Volunteer - an additional 2200 approximately

BP>        Staffing on Apparatus

        Career - minimum 4 on engines, minimum 5 on trucks (with 
exceptions to reduce that to 4.
        Volunteer units generally follow the same scheme.  If they do
not 
have the required minimum then they call out with a "short crew"

BP>        Number of Engines

        Career - 22 Stations housing 26 Engines (4 located in what were

double engine houses with reduced manning to 2 to run as "Special Units"

or what might be called a hose wagon) plus 1 Marine Unit Station, and 2

Medic Unit only Stations.

        Volunteer - 31 Stations housing 60 Engines with two additional 
Stations that are Rescue/EMS Stations Only with no Engines.
 
BP>        Number of Ladders

        Career - 7

        Volunteer - 5

BP>        Support personel

        Support - In all areas including Admin, Appartus Maintenance,
Fire 
Academy, Communications, Prevention, Investigations, Supply etc, approx.

50

BP>        Number of Stations

        See above
 
BP>Thanks to all who can help. 

Welcome.

                                -Jim-



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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:24:41 EST
From:         Howard Berkis - CC28 <CC28@IONA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: What are a firefighter's duties?

In addition Fire Police in my area (Rockland County), when called
to duty by a fire or MVA or also temporary deputized and can write
tickets for any motor vehicle violation

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From: Dale.Lamont@f321.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Dale Lamont)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Driving habits.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:19:00 -0800

   Regina,
         you have hit upon my exact feelings.

 >I am for volunteers having a light as long as it is not abused. I
most
 >certainly get out of the way when I see someone coming.  I get mad,
when
 >the people won't move, but in that case - the volunteer doesn't have
the
 >right to act like a NUT, just because there are jerks out there that
don't
 >move.
 >
     As you say the lights are just to give people the idea that we need
to get somewhere as soon as possible, I may fracture the speed limit by
a small amount but this is only when life is in damage and we are told
about when the pager goes off, ie: a motor vehicle accident-persons
trapped.

 Lets hope that people dont abuse the privaledge.

   CYL......................

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From: "curt holzendorf" <curt.holzendorf@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: mobile data terminals
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:43:37 EST
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The Boston Fire Department is in the process of looking at MDT's and a
CAD system.

 1. What departments in the newsgroup ae using them?
 2. How are your MDT's best being utilized?
 3. What can you do with them?
 4. What shouldn't you do with them?
 5. How are you using the CAD system?
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From: fireman@wam.umd.edu (Aaron Joseph Peterson)
Subject: Re: LIGHT BARS
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:28:58 GMT






Driving with strobes in the fog is a pain in the butt also!
We have both strobes an halogens, but the halogens are wired to turn off when 
vehicle is placed in Park (helps the batteries ALOT!!). We bought a demo ambo
and it has 10 strobes visible to oncoming traffic (2 in the grill, 4 in the 
lightbar and 2 on the box. plus there are two strobes on each fender 
(intersection lights) which can be seen from the front) plus 4 high speed
halogen rotators. We didn't exactly want that many strobes/lights, but now
we are glad we have them! People do see you coming! We use a comination of
Red/Clear strobes.

fireman@wam.umd.edu
Firefighter III (nat reg), EMT, Hazmat Technician, Advanced Rescue, etc
Level VFD, Harford County MD
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:11:59 EST
From:         A249000 Mike Wilson <A249@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      PFD FDNY list

Hey Bob,
I don't know if you got my e-mail but, I would also like a copy of the
NYFD and PFD list. If you didn't get the e-mail my address is- Mike
Wilson 1605 West Fair AVe.  Marquette, Mi 49855

Thanks for your patience everyone.