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From: pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes)
Subject: NASCAR Darlington -- first, kill all the weather forecasters . . . 
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:20:44 GMT


Howdy!

--- warning: discussion of Southern 500 results (maybe) follow ---

	I'm posting this just after the rain/red flag was thrown; so
I'm not sure if this is the end or not . . . 

	How'd ya like to be Mark Martin?  Aaaaarrrggg!  Gotta hand it
to the Valvoline team -- they had the field covered.  Unfortunately,
so did the rain.  Smartest move (so far) has to go to Elliot (DW just
got plain lucky).  They (Bud team) had the brake probs that put them
at the end of the lead-lap pack, so they pitted again to top off on
the last lap of the last yellow.  They could have gone the rest of
the way on one stop, barring yellow flags and/or rain.  As it is,
he could finish third, two places (8 points?) ahead of Allison. Nice!

	Anyways, after Mark's rotten luck yesterday in the BGN race,
I'd like to see him get this one.

	Too bad, Dan, Rusty looked d*mn good at around halfway.  I
wonder how "big" that "big gear" was -- they could use a win this year. 
And Fe-head -- "if he didn't have BAD luck . . . ".  DE's gotta be
pullin' his hair out!  The only guy who looked as strong as Martin
seemed to be Ernie Irvan -- he was catching Martin when his tranny
started throwing gears and oil; again, too bad for the Kodak bunch.

	Ford could have used the win -- the ESPN guys noted the GM     
crowd has won the last 6 races (?) straight.  Right now DW's Lumina
leads 4 TBirds, then another couple GM's.

1. DW  Lumina
2. Martin  TBird
3. Elliott  TBird
4. B.Bodine  TBird
5. Allison  TBird
6. Jarrett  Lumina
7. ??
---------
BGN stuff.  Great race yesterday!  I don't remember specifics, except
that Mark Martin had the fastest car, but fell out after dominating
the early part of the race. Great dice between Dale Jarrett (sp?) and
Harry Gant, unfortunately for HG the sideways vector got bigger than
the frontways and downwards vectors and he punched the wall coming
out of turn 4.  It came down to WC-er's Jarrett and Michael Waltrip,
with Waltrip passing Dale with 5 laps to go.  Jeff Gordon's TBird
was strong, but just a tick slower than the Waltrip and Jarrett cars;
Gordon finished 3rd.
---------
IndyCar stuff.  On SpeedWeek yesterday an interview with Rahal 
revealed he is still pissed at Johanson (sp?) for last weekend.
Bobby even commented he saw SJ pushing close and locking brakes for several
laps before the eventual "punt".  Yikes!  Like several posters
mentioned, BR, with everything to lose (and as BR himself pointed out)
and pit stops only 2 laps ahead, shoulda let SJ by.  Sheesh!
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From: wolf@pioneer.unm.edu (Mark Giaquinto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:22:15 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

In article scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:
>In article wboatclb@ccvax.ucd.ie writes...
>> I've just heard on the the radio that Michael Andretti has signed
>> for McLaren. That's all the info I have. I thought I'd let all you
>> 'netters know ASAP. 
>I wonder if this means that Mario will finally retire from IndyCar :-)

Maybe, just maybe, but that would leave Newman-Hass with out a driver,
who would replace them.  Let's see who's open, Eddie Cheever (doubtful
after the Cheever-Andretti whining wars), Teo Fabi who drove for Mario
when he was out, Scott Pruett who is looking for a ride?

What if Mario stays for his last year, what then, do they sign Jeff or 
John to keep it an all Andretti team?  I personally can't see Ed. Cheever
and Mario on the same team.

Any other guesses?????

>JD
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:13:32 GMT
Subject: Re: BELGIUM-SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

Regarding Shumacher and Brundle - 

I don't care if they want to race each other.  Brundle has as much right
to try and pass Schumacher as anyone else.

What I'm saying is 'lets be smart about this'.  How many team owners do you
suppose want to see their drivers take each other out of races?  Damn few
I should think.

My gripe with Brundle is that in the last two races he has been over
aggressive (IMO) when Schumacher got stuck behind a Mclaren.  Given that
Berger and Senna are consumate blockers AND given that this usually means
they weave from side to side (thus using the whole road) AND given that this
means Schumacher will be doing like wise is it safe and sane for Brundle
to choose this moment to try a kamakazi pass?  I don't think so.  One of
these days all three will exit the track.

If Brundle wants to play with Schumacher let him do so when he does not
risk taking both Benettons out of the race.

************************************************
* Donald Boell - Hewlett Packard               *
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* When you're chewing on life's gristle        *
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From: grenda@arcadia.mc.phillip.edu.au (giuseppe renda)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Ferrari to use Brian Hart engines in '93
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:07:02 GMT
Reply-To: grenda@arcadia.mc.phillip.edu.au
Organization: Dept. Maths & Comp, RMIT ( Bundoora )

That will be the day!

Fanatical Ferrari Fan
From: v060j5kb@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark W Olszowy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: I now this doesn't belong here but...
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm in desperate need of info.  I'm looking for info on a early design of 
Gordon Murray named the "Rocket".  The design was market by Light Car Company
of England.  Normally I wouldn't post this here except since Murray has designed
so many Formula 1 cars (racing version not new street version) that an fellow
Wreck.autos.sport reader may know.

I'm looking for any info or where I can get some info.  I'm desperate for any
scrap of info since my search up to now has been fruitless.  Please feel free
to e-mail me the info if you have _any_.

thanks in advanced
Mark
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bjilek@convex.com (Brian Jilek)
Subject: Date for the Canadian G.P. (F1) 1993?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Distribution: rec.autos.sport
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:20:49 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Does anyone have the date for the Canadian Grand Prix (F1) in Montreal
for next year?


Thanks,
Brian Jilek

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Indy and F1: IN CAR CAMS
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:29:39 GMT

In article <BuKvLw.IEC@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Brad White) writes:
>Also, are the teams paid for this/?  Who pays for the new cowling cover that
>holds the camera unit?

The car's sponsors fork out about $15,000 for the privilege of their car
carrying the camera at a single event.  'Course, I think you'll cut a
better deal if you sign for the entire season.

-c'ball-

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From: torito@IASTATE.EDU (Jaime Santiago)
Subject: M. Andretti, what a deal for Mclaren!!
Reply-To: torito@IASTATE.EDU (Jaime Santiago)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:17:36 GMT

I've read that Andretti's contract is for 5 million a year. Isn't this a low
salary for an F1 pilot? How much was Berger making in Mclaren?
How much do rookies normally make in F1?
For me it's hard to consider Michael Andretti a rookie, but I guess technically
speaking he is.

Jaime Santiago
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:56:19 EDT
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff

In article <9209140747.AA02822@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk>,
Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk says:

>Hi Racers

>Also Frankie and Nige were apparantly miles away from reaching an agreement
>even down to things like how many hotel rooms he could have. We all know
>he was on 8.5 million dollars for each of the last two years but to be
>offered less than that was a bit of an insult, but what was even more
>pissing off for nigel was they could not agree (supposdly) about what
>currency he would be paid in.
Mansell said that they offered him less money because Senna was willing
to drive for free. Mansell told them to hire Senna. They haven't yet. It
seems stupid, to me, to say something like that if you know that you have
sign contract with Prost saying that Senna can not be on the same team.
I hope Nige takes his World Champion #1 to some other team. I would think
Williams would get pissed if they did all that work and did not get the
#1 plate on their cars. What if he hooks up with McLaren? They keep the
#1 and the sponsors get to make use of it.

Jonathan Swaby
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: Political Campaigns using Motorsports
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:33:31 GMT

scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:

>On a slightly less political note (but one which will probably get me flamed), 
>maybe Bobby Rahal should call Bill Elliott to get lessons on "How to extend 
>your points lead by staying out of trouble."

That, and being VERY quiet when you are a LUCKY Son of a B! ;-)  I'm an
Elliott fan, and he has had more danged good luck...but, if you're good,
and you get some luck, you win the championship.  Luck alone won't do it,
and being good alone wont' do it (witness Bill's 11 wins in '85, but no
championship, and Davey Allison's strenght but negative luck).

 -Steve
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Subject: Re: Respect for Senna (was: Monza race - here lie SPOILERS !!!)
From: <A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 15 Sep 1992 16:17:35 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

In article <1992Sep14.142203.13076@cbnewsc.cb.att.com>, kimes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com
(Kit Kimes) says:
>
>From article <Sep14.082925.17245@engr.washington.edu>, by (eliot):
>>
>> Senna's post race interview was also good sober stuff.  My respect for
>> him is climbing.
>
>I didn't see a post race interview with Senna, but my respect for Senna
>(never very high--has nothing to do with his driving ability) dropped
>like a rock when I found out that Mansel would not be driving for
>Williams next year and that a big part of it was because of Senna's
>publicly blowing off at the mouth.  In the U.S., publicly interferring
>with another man's bargining process would be grounds for a lawsuit.
>
I think that Mansell's not driving has to do with Prost and Mansell
both claiming to be the first Williams driver.  Money problems
come second place.  I do not think that Senna plays a role at all.
His "I drive Williams for nothing" was jokingly.
From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Hart Engines
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:17:19 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


 	Like everyone else who saw the ESPN broadcast, I heard the
rumor about Barnard and/or Doc P. suggesting using Brian Hart V-10's.
My question is when did Hart come up with a new design for a V-10???
He has been one of the tuners/rebuilders of customer Ford engines
forever (like Heini Mader), but I have NEVER heard of his OWN engines,
like John Judd. If someone has more info, please let me know. Also,
why is it that the Ford HB's of Fondmetal and Lotus are constantly
blowing up?? Do they have a separate tuner, who is trying to coax
more power? Last year, Benetton never blew as many engines as either
Fondmetal or Lotus! 

Regards,
Cory
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Ron Dennis on aggression (was Re: Andretti signs for McLaren)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:32:50 GMT

>>|> >Now, let's speculate on who Ron counts as the other four.
>>|> >[1.] Senna
>>|> >[2.] Nigel
>>|> >That leaves two.  Who could they be...
>>|> 

Uhhhh.....Did Dennis happen to mention a vintage Earnhardt or D.
Waltrip?

Nah, probably not.......

-c'ball-

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From: eklund@lut.fi (Jarkko Eklund)
Subject: F1: Lehto for Sauber
Summary: jjlehto to drive sauber
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:35:34 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland
Keywords: formula1

According to news today in Finland. J.J. Lehto will drive for new
Sauber-team next year. We'll see if that new team could be as good as
Jordan was in their first year or even better.
-- 
   Jarkko Eklund
    "Jake"                  " Never sleep with anyone crazier than yourself "  
   eklund@lut.fi                        - Murphy's laws on sex -
From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:40:01 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <1992Sep7.180706.29262@rdg.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>In article <7aRNqB2w165w@dlhpfm.UUCP>,
>dlhpfm!dlh@NCoast.org (daniel lance herrick) writes:
>[regarding Little Al and F1 negotiations]
>|>
>|>It did seem like he was pushing it a bit when he said he was only
>|>available for an F1 ride that allowed him to drive Indy.
>
>Why is that pushing it a bit?  Other F1 teams let their drivers drive at Le
>Mans.
>
What F1 teams let their drivers skip an F1 race to compete somewhere else??

Dave Wilson
From: ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell quits F1 !!!! GOOD RIDDENS
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:53:11 GMT
Organization: Economics, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: eco.economics.adelaide.edu.au

In article <190j86INN9s3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, usatoday@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Dalsgaard) says:
> 
>>Newsflash: Nigel Mansell quits F1 by the end of the 92 season.
> 
> I knew he didn't have the courage to be be Prost's teammate.
> He made the right decision.  He'll quit now and hope he fools
> some people into thinking he's one of the best drivers because
> he just won the World Championship instead of coming back and
> getting beat by Prost next year.  Good move #5.

Funny that's not what I recall happenin at Ferrari.....

regs

Rob

-- 
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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: F1: #1 for 93??
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:57:23 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <BuLz5y.KHp@lut.fi> turtiain@lut.fi (Tero Turtiainen) writes:
>Now when Mansell retires as a world chammpion who will have the car number 1
>in 1993? I think this isn`t the first time the world champion has retired so
>surely there is some sort of simple solution.

On the only other occasions that I can remember where the championship-winning
driver was not driving the next year, I believe the #1 was already on a car in
the winning driver's team.  This year #1 is on a McLaren, but the new champion
drives a Williams.  Do Williams get #1 next year, or does it stay with McLaren?

I hope it stays with McLaren - it would be rather fitting for Michael Andretti
to have #1 on his F1 car, and Nigel Mansell to have #1 on his IndyCar. Assuming,
of course, that Michael wins the championship, and Nigel takes the IndyCar ride.

-- 
John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
Seen passing on the net:  Spotted Owl - the *other* white meat!
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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: Hakkinen for Lotus
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 19:13:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep7.160246.10475@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep7.105646.1565@tac.fi>, tiok_kl@tac.fi (Kari Leminen) writes...
>>-According todays newspaper Mika Hakkinen will drive for Lotus next year.
>> Williams, McLaren, Benetton ...Watch out !
>
>But, isn't he driving for Lotus this year, too?

Yes, and he has been ahead of the McLarens and the Benettons at some point
during the season.  If Ford would have given Lotus the latest HBs rather than
the two generation old ones, then Mika would have been able to stay ahead.

I am glad that Mika has apparently resigned with Lotus.  As has been
mentioned before in this newsgroup, they (Mika, Johnny and Lotus) make a
good team.

alan
From: tafi3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Ian Deeley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: The global centre of Motor-sport !
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:27:30 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex


	I see Ferrari have finally recognised where the global centre of
Motor-sport is, yes they have moved the entire F1 team to England, not
far from Williams I believe! In the same newspaper article they pointed
out that the top 7 finishers at the Indy 500 were built in England, &
also that a "leading Indy car driver" had signed for Mclaren.
	Nationalistic? Naaah!!

	Its Ok I have my Nomex undies on.


Ian Deeley
School of Engineering
University of Sussex
Falmer, England.
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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: Alesi VS Schumacher
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 14:03:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.170906.23397@fang.att.com>, agwiii@fang.att.com
(Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92)) writes:
|> Berger seems a bit under-rated and is probably better than he has
|> appeared to be in comparison to his recent team partners. It
|> also seems that Berger has had more than his share of bad luck. I wish him
|> good luck.

While I agree with almost everything said here, I would like to say that
there was only one teammate which clearly outdid Gerhard Berger, namely
a certain Ayrton Senna da Silva.  Even 3-time world champion Alain Prost
was often in Senna's shadow when being his teammate, although addmitedly
not as often as Berger.  I felt that Berger could pretty much keep up
with Nigel Mansell at Ferrari in 1989, though.


|> It would be nice to see some hard fought races with Williams,
|> McLaren, Benneton, Ferrari, and Lotus in contention.

Indeed!

-- 
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From: stecz@pencom.com (John Steczkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Why no US GP?
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:24:36 GMT
Reply-To: stecz@pencom.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <9209041648.AA19521@yngvi.wbst147> MJackson.Wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark  
Jackson) writes:
> In article 23510@ncube.com, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
> > This is one point I've never really understood, and could someone more
> > knowledgeable than me please give an explanation why permanent garage
> > facilities are necessary in F1?  I know of no other series,
> > international or usa-local, that HAS to have permanent garages.  The
> > transporter with extended tent setup seems to work for the folks at
> > IMSA, INDYCARS, NASCAR, NHRA, PRORALLY et all.  Just curious.
> 
> Why, it's so the teams will have a garage door they can close quickly
> after the car retires to keep out the press, of course.  I'm surprised
> you didn't know that, Bob :-)

Not to mention the cost of shipping a tractor-trailer rig from Europe to Japan,  
to Australia, to South Africe, to Brazil.  It is much easier to ship just the  
cars and parts, and use existing garage facilities.


--
  John Steczkowski                            stecz@pencom.com
          "Tune your chassis and gain 100 horsepower."
                                                   Jim Travers
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:37:56 EDT
From: <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject:    NASCAR: who is...

     the driver of the RAHMOC car now?
     What is the number of the car? 75?
     Sponsor if any. C-ball, you started
     this with the NASCAR shuffle. You
     said Trickle is to drive it, but
     who does now?
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: cnl@bnr.ca (Christopher Larmour)
Subject: A Refreshing Sunday... *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:04:09 GMT

Apologies to those not getting the Schumacher reference.

Basically he played all coy about not knowing his position in the 
Drivers Championship, with a sort " Oh am I? Really? Oh gosh I wasn't 
aware of that..". Much contorting of face in mock surprise at being 
told. Unconvincing humility. I wish I hadn't seen it to be honest.

Chris.

  
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:50:19 GMT

In article <8223@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> stnd@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Scott N. Dickson) writes:
>>> American Michael Andretti has signed to
>>> drive for the McLaren Formula One team 
>>> in the 1993 world championship.        

>And Michael has strong ties to Ford.  Hmmmm........

double hmmmm.  you don't think that Ron Dennis is getting
political, do you?  naahhh ...

cheers,
  richard
(actually, michael might be worth 8 mil if he brings McLaren decent
motors for next year.)
-- 
richard welty                            518-393-7228
welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: wolf@pioneer.unm.edu (Mark Giaquinto)
Subject: Re: M. Andretti, what a deal for Mclaren!!
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:00:46 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility

In article esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes:
>In article torito@IASTATE.EDU (Jaime Santiago) writes:
>>I've read that Andretti's contract is for 5 million a year. Isn't this a low
>>salary for an F1 pilot? How much was Berger making in Mclaren?
>>How much do rookies normally make in F1?
>>For me it's hard to consider Michael Andretti a rookie, but I guess technically
>>speaking he is.
>>Jaime Santiago 
>What about calling three-time World Champion Nelson Piquet a rookie at Indy?
>Ooops.  He made a mistake and crashed, didn't he?
>OK, what about calling, IMHO, the greatest driver of all time, Jimmy Clark,
>a rookie the first time he drove Indy?  He almost won that year.
>alan

IMS would consider a person is champion at every form of auto racing but
never raced at Indy, a rookie.  It is the most arrogant of american race
tracks in that respect.  Beyond that, besides taking a few basic tests, being
a rookie doesn't exactly always mean much, no one treated Piquet like a rookie.
I had gotten the opinion that most of the drivers was glad he was there, that
a former F1 champion added class to the field and it was a shame that he
crashed like he did.

Mark
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