HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmoulder@post.its.mcw.edu (John Moulder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Statview  - Sys7 tuneup conflict
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:35:49 GMT
Organization: Medical College of Wisconsin
Reply-To: jmoulder@post.its.mcw.edu (John Moulder)
NNTP-Posting-Host: moulder.radbio.mcw.edu
Keywords: staview, tuneup

Some features of Statview (Jandel) will not run under System 7.0.1 unless the 
System 7 Tuner is removed from the system.  According to Jandel tech support 
this has to do which how the tuneup handles floating point math.

Curve fitting routines, for example will not run with tuneup installed, and 
some transforms will also not run.  Its not that the just won't run, attempting 
to run will cause a system freeze and require a reboot.

To get Statview to run:
1)  Remove System 7 Tuner from the extensions folder (I remove it entirely 
by putting it on a floppy - just moving it to the desk top may work also).
2)  Restart
3)  Remember to put System 7 Tuner back, and restart afterwards (I'm not 
sure of the consequences of running other software without System 7 Tuner).

This is a pain, but this is the best (in fact the only) software I've found for 
fitting complex, nonlinear and/or discontinuous functions to large data sets.

John Moulder (jmoulder@post.its.mcw.edu)      414-266-4672
Radiation Biology Group
Medical College of Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Wisc     
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End)
Subject: Fractals in After Dark !
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:57:27 GMT

The Fractal program by Alessandro Levi Montalcini for After Dark is 
sensational ! It is at mac.archive.umich.edu in /mac/util/misc/screensavers
as Fractals.hqx. Check wuarchive.wustl.edu in mirrors/archive.umich.edu if
you can't get in.

Has anybody figured out how to make this function better as a screen
saver ? Mine seems to draw an incredible image that just sits there when its
finished. All that is needed is to signal an interrupt automatically at this
point. It would then begin drawing a new image and prevent burn in.

Am I missing something ? Could someone that knows a tiny bit about these
modules please hack this one ? This is light years ahead of Moire and the silly
snakes and things.

Thanks much,

Jim
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From: harrym@netcom.com (Harry Myhre)
Subject: Re: What's the deal with Macintalk?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:59:57 GMT

fzfarrel@hamlet.ucdavis.edu (Patrick Farrell) writes:

>What is it?
>How do you get it?
>Does it work with system 7?

Hi Patrick, in answer to your three questions:

1) It is a system extension that enables programs that you run to 
produce synthesized human speech. Only programs that know how to
use Macintalk will benefit. Microsoft Word (as far as I know) won't
benefit from your having Macintalk in your system folder.

2) You might find it available for download on a local BBS. You
could buy 'The Talking Moose' from one of the mail order outfits. 
The Talking Moose ships with Macintalk. It's a DA that pops up on
your screen and says something using the Macintalk synthesized speech.

3) Don't know if it works with system 7, but I would imagine that
if it's shipping commercially with 'The Talking Moose' that it does.
No publisher in his right mind would distribute software these
days that isn't system 7 compatible.

(from harrym@netcom.com)
From: Chris Johnson <chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Multiple Alarm Clock sought -- try "cron"
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:29:44 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Computation Center
Distribution: world
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X-XXDate: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:58:18 GMT

In article <9301261626.AA13854@TIS.COM> Theodore Lee, tmplee@TIS.COM writes:
>I am looking for an alarm-clock program that allows one to set simultaneous
>alarms for several different times during the day, with a (possibly)
>different sound associated with each. [....]

Shameless plug follows...

You could use a nifty little program of mine called "cron" (if you're using
System 7, anyway). It's a generic scheduler for the Mac based directly on 
the UNIX daemon by the same name.

If you wanted, for instance, an hourly chime to be played in the background
every hour between 9:00 AM and 5:00 PM, Monday through Friday, all you'd have 
to do is provide a sound file containing the chime sound you like, and place 
the following line in cron's crontab file.

	0 9-17 * * 1-5 nobody -b sound "Hourly Chime"

If you want visible reminders to appear on your screen at certain times, 
cron's "echo" command (written by Mike Pearce) will take care of that.
Around our office, we find lines like the following very handy:

	0 17 * * 5 nobody -b echo -t 120 "Get out of the office! Drink some \
	beers. Have a nice weekend."
	
This displays an alert which makes sure we don't forget it's quitting 
time on Friday afternoon. (Otherwise, we might work straight through the 
weekend and not even notice. :-)

The echo command is even smart enough to dismiss it's own alerts after
a certain amount of time (120 seconds in the example above) so that it
doesn't lock up the foreground application all weekend if you happen
to leave without acknowledging the alert. Lots of commercial reminder
utilities aren't that smart.

But the above are just examples of what you can do with the "sound" and 
"echo" commands. Other commands included with cron will do things like 
synchronize your Mac's clock to an RFC 868 Time Protocol server, restart 
your Mac and rebuild it's desktop, open/print files, run/quit programs, 
etc. And anyone with some C and Mac programming experience can write new 
commands easily. Source code is included.

The whole thing is free, and available for anonymous ftp from the 
pub/gatekeeper directory of emx.cc.utexas.edu. If you find that you 
like cron, let me know and I'll put you on the mailing list for update 
notices.

Told you it was a shameless plug.  :-)

----Chris

Chris Johnson

Internet:   chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu
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From: dev@cats.ucsc.edu (/dev/null)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Medical Practice Mgt. Software
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:11:28 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu



Plese reply to 76002,2072@compuserve.com; this is posted for a friend:


William Tsarones wrote:
>
> I need help trying to locate any information on medical practice management
> software--the type used to run a doctor's office. I've never seen anything
> on the Mac for this but have heard it exists.

Spellswell, Lookup and QuickLetter from Working Software may be used with
a medical dictionary.

Each comes with a 93,000 "plain english" dictionary.  The medical dictionary
may be added to create a medical spellchecking system.  Note that you can't
just buy the dictionary -- you need the software too!

Spellswell checks documents that have been saved to disk.  It can read
QuickLetter, MacWrite, WriteNow, Microsoft Word and Works, and WordPerfect.  It 
also supports the Word Services Apple Event Suite for spellchecking, as well
as reading the clipboard and any plain text document.

Lookup checks your spelling as you type.  You can highlight single
words in a document and have them checked and replaced, or Lookup will
replace the last error that it alerted you to (by beeping or flashing
them menu bar).

QuickLetter is a letter writing and envelope addressing program.  It
includes a spellchecker.  You can set up your medical office stationary
on both the letters and envelope.  It also does PostNet barcoding on
envelopes.

Working Software can be reached at:
 76002,2072@compuserve.com
PO Box 1844
Santa Cruz, CA 95061-1844
(800) 229-9675
(408) 423-5696
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From: kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Kayser NSSDC/STX (301)513-1673)
Subject: Re: Need Word Seek/'grep -L'-style share/PD utility
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: mn
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:29:00 GMT

In article <C12qED.9H8@world.std.com>, siegel@world.std.com (Rich Siegel) writes...
>In article <1993Jan18.205820.9129@news.stolaf.edu> carlsonb@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Bradley P Carlson) writes:
>>I need a utility that will search a volume for ASCII strings under
>>Sys.6.x.  Something like a PD version of the 'grep -L', "MasterWord
>>Seek" or Sys.7 'Find' utilities would be perfect.
>>
>BBEdit can do this. It's free, and the most recent maintenance version
>was just posted. It's also available immediately via anonymous FTP
>from world.std.com, in ~ftp/pub/bbedit.

SuperBoomerang, in Now Utilities, will do such a search. MacTools and Norton 
Utilities also have Find utilities as part of their packages, but I don't think 
they are grep. You can give several keywords for them for text searches. All of 
these should work with System 6. 

Susan Kayser		NCF::KAYSER  or  kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes/STX at NASA/GSFC/NSSDC
Greenbelt, MD
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From: dbtdxc@ARCO.COM (David Chapin)
Subject: Re: Need a Labeling Program
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:54:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.183406.20207@wam.umd.edu>, morton@wam.umd.edu (Rob Morton) writes:
> 	I am in need of a label printing program. I would like it to let me
> pick the labels by Avery Label Numbers, but by size would do. The only label
> program I have used is MacLabel Pro, and It does not seem to like the system
> very well. I had to change the printer through the chooser, and it will no
> longer allow printing. It now seems to be useless. Anything like MacLabel
> would be great.
> 	Please respond through e-mail as I do not have the time to read many
> groups. Thanks for your help.
> 
> 				Later,
> 				Rob
> 
You might check out Microsoft Works 3.0. It has a set of templates for Avery Labels.

David Chapin
dbtdxc@er.arco.com
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From: ctrbdo@iapa.uucp%mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (bryan d oakley)
Subject: Re: Claris "Communication" appl.
Organization: FAA / Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:36:03 GMT

My $.02 (US) worth:

I recently bought a suprafax modem which came with Microphone
1.something.  It's vt102 emulation was lacking.  When connected to a
garden variety bulletin board it couldn't handle all of the escape
sequences.  When I switched to ClarisWorks, no problemo.  I haven't
used the scripting, but understand it is pretty thin.  One other note:
when downloading at 14.4kbps, the download took twice as long as it
should have.  I don't know if this was the fault of ClarisWorks, a
poorly configured modem, or noisy phone lines.  

First impressions of ClarisWorks is good, though.  It was free (with
my Performa), it works, I'm happy :-).


-- 
/'''  ---------------------------------------------------------------
c-OO  Instrument Approach Procedures Automation       DOT/FAA/AMI-230
   \  ---------------------------------------------------------------
  -   Bryan D. Oakley            ctrbdo%iapa@constellation.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Stewart Walker <swalker@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: Basic for MacIntosh
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78C76F1A2020163@acim.mta.ca>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 27 Jan 93 17: 29:21 GMT
Organization: Mount Allison University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:22:59 GMT

siegman@EE.Stanford.EDU (Anthony E. Siegman)  
FutureBasic is the most flexible Basic with the most powerful 
development environment. If you have to do revisions to your 
original Apple II code and don't find the price too high, I
think it is the one to go for.
From: norton@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Norton Chia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: System 7 Bug? - Windows not opening as last saved
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:56:34 GMT
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia

If you expect something to be there because you used Shut Down etc, try
throwing out the Finder Prefs file in System Folder: Preferences

Cheers,
Norton
guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) writes:

>eaeu209@orion.oac.uci.edu (Rodney G. Ramos) writes:

>>Every once in a while, when I open a folder, the window
>>(which I had previously moved, resized and changed views)
>>appears in the default window size, in the default position
>>on the screen, with the default Icon view!
>>
>>This doesn't happen every day, only once in while.
>>Also, it doesn't matter if I'm running loads of INITs or none at all.

>Windows open up on the screen in the position last saved.
>So when you restart the Mac then it might not save the last state -
>and you will be presented with a state that you had earlier.

>But I do not know how the algorithm of saving states works.
>Anyone know anything about this ?

>Sven :)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: Hey how about a new group for UTILITIES ???????
Originator: guckes@medusa
Keywords: New Group Utilities - NOT!
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:36:22 GMT

wondertr@fraser.sfu.ca (wondertree learning center) suggests:

>Hey I just thought that it might be a good idea to make a new NewsGroup
>for Mac Utilities....  We could call it:
>comp.sys.mac.util

What a good idea! I think we should do it thoroughly, though:

comp.sys.mac.util.archiver
comp.sys.mac.util.calc
comp.sys.mac.util.comm
comp.sys.mac.util.file_conversion
comp.sys.mac.util.disk
comp.sys.mac.util.draw
comp.sys.mac.util.edit
comp.sys.mac.util.font
comp.sys.mac.util.hypercard
comp.sys.mac.util.language
comp.sys.mac.util.news
comp.sys.mac.util.organizers
comp.sys.mac.util.screen
comp.sys.mac.util.security
comp.sys.mac.util.simulation
comp.sys.mac.util.sound
comp.sys.mac.util.system
comp.sys.mac.util.virus

What more do we need ?

Sven :)
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From: JDMCGEE@VM1.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: MindWrite (remember it?)
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:40:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.140212.26465@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
dy@shire.math.columbia.edu (Deane Yang) writes:
>I have a friend who is still using MindWrite with an old
>System (4?). I would like to wean her off it. Does anyone
>know
>1) How well does MindWrite work with newer systems (6 or 7)?
>2) How do I translate MindWrite documents into Word dcuments?
>Replies may be either posted or sent to me directly by e-mail.
>Thanks.
>Deane Yang
>Polytechnic University
>
I used Mindwrite until I upgraded to Sytstem 7.0. Then I was not
much fun ... the program would quit unexpectedly ... UGH..
I still have it installed and use it to convert old Mindwrite files
to Microsoft format.  I wish they (the current owners) would have
made it System 7 useable. I did  talk to then several times
...However they were not interested in put any work into it...
I really liked the outlining feature and have not found any thing
that compares to it... I did switch to Word 5.0.. however still
looking for a program that worked as well (as an outliner) as
Mindwrite.....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: tucker@fisher.eedsp.gatech.edu (Jeff Tucker)
Subject: Need HD Backup Program
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:12:14 GMT

I'm looking for a program that will allow me to do a backup of the Hard
Drive onto floppies.  It's only a 20 Meg HD, but some compression would
be nice.  Basically, something better than me manually trying to drag
files onto floppies is what I need.

I've searched through the archives, but haven't found a program to do
this.  What do you use?  Anyone have any info on an FTP-able program?

Thanks
Jeff
-- 
-----------------------------
Jeff Tucker                         N9HZQ, EMT-A
tucker@eedsp.gatech.edu             Graduate Student, Electrical Engineering
W4AQL Contest Domination Team       Georgia Institute of Technology
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: thorn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Shannon Lee Thornburg)
Subject: Can Claris CAD Save Files as EPS?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 01:54:42 GMT

Can anyone tell me if Claris CAD can save drawing output as
Encapsulated PostScript (EPS)?

I'm thinking about buying it (it's the only CAD package sold at the
campus bookstore).  But I want to be able to make a drawing in CAD, then
paste it into Word in EPS format.  It has to be EPS rather than just an
ordinary graphic copy/paste because the quality of the graphic when
printed must be very good.

I know that MacDraw Pro can do this, but I'm not sure about Claris CAD.

Please send e-mail.

Thanks,

Shannon Thornburg
Aeronautics & Astronautics
Stanford University
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: ATM 3.0 & Suitcase 2.1.2 Conflict
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:51:52 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
NNTP-Posting-Host: anthrax-fddi.solbourne.com

While reading article <ARIE.93Jan27224756@quip.eecs.umich.edu>, I noticed that
arie@eecs.umich.edu said the following:
 >>>>>> On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:20:10 GMT, fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher) said:
 >| That's right Suitcase, must be loaded after ATM, this a known
 >| problem.
 >
 >Is this only on the PowerBook 160 or it happens on other models
 >as well. The problem doesn't show up on the IIci or the PowerBook
 >170.

The Powerbooks and Performas are known to occasionally crash if Suitcase 2.1.2
is loaded before ATM 3.0; on other machines "strange" behavior will occur
instead (I forget what it was on my Q700, but remember that it was bad
enough that at one point I had dragged all my fonts into the System 7.1
Fonts folder instead).

The blanket answer is that on all machines Suitcase 2.1.2 MUST load AFTER
ATM v3.0; Fifth Generation says they're working on a fix.
-- 
| William Kucharski, Solbourne Computer, Inc.     | Opinions expressed herein
| Internet: kucharsk@solbourne.com   Ham: N0OKQ   | are MINE alone, NOT those
| Snail Mail: 1900 Pike Road, Longmont, CO  80501 | of Solbourne Computer, Inc.
| President, "Just the Ten of Us" Fan Club        | "Dittos from Longmont, CO"
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From: long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Deneba offer for ArtWorks & Spelling Coach Pro
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:20:07 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


 I've gotten an offer from Deneba to purchase their new paint program,
 ArtWorks, and Spelling Coach Professional, for an attractive price. I wonder
 if any of you have seen either of these yet, and could comment on them?

 Thanks,
 Rich
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: photo@theporch.raider.net
Subject: Re: Photoshop plugin
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:48:14 GMT
Organization: MacInteresteds, Nashville's Macintosh User Group

wilcox@triton.unm.edu (Sherman Wilcox) writes:

>Does anyone know where I might obtain a Photoshop Plug-in to drive my
>Microtek 300ZS scanner from within Photoshop?

I have a Microtek 600 ZS and the plug-in came with the scanner.  Works
perfect!

-David Anderson
Nashville TN
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From: bachww@rtsg.mot.com (Bud Bach)
Subject: BeagleWorks worth $69?
Reply-To: bach@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:50:45 GMT

I see MacConnection (800 800-2222) is selling BeagleWorks for $69.
Can anyone comment on whether it is worth it?  I want to use it on my
PB 100.  I mostly type short notes and letters, do simple drawings and
some spreadsheets including simple graphs (pie, bar line).

It would be nice if it handled some common import/export formats like
Word, MacWrite, Excel, MacDraw.

Is this the program for me or should I spend the extra bucks and get
MS-Works or ClarisWorks?

Thanks.  -- Bud

-- 
Bud Bach
TechniSource, Inc.
708 632-3449
From: hue@pro-freedom.cts.com (Scott Hudziak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Chess again
Date: 24 Jan 93 00:28:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1993Jan23.172804.7790
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Sorry about that unfinnished note. I was going to ask if anyone has
Checkmate and do they know if it will work on a -12"- monitor.Thanks.
 
scott hudziak

ProLine:  hue@pro-freedom
Internet: hue@pro-freedom.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-freedom!hue
==============================================================
From: grayson@edison.seas.ucla.edu (David A. Grayson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Retrospect Tech. Support
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:27:23 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles


I just wanted to praise Larry Zulch of Dantz for the help he
has been giving me recently. The problem was simple, but
the paperwork of the phone and other systems kept getting in the way.

Once again a happy Dantz product user

dave

--- I am only associated with Dantz as a consumer (don't even own any stock)--

-- 
UCLA, Dept. Chem. Eng., 5805 Boelter Hall, LA, CA 90024
David A. Grayson                  grayson@seas.ucla.edu
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From: ckr2196@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Caryn K. Roberts)
Subject: Re: Journaling word processor?
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:55:27 GMT

In article <2430@sousa.tay.dec.com> long@mcntsh.enet.dec.com (Rich Long) writes:
>
> Is there a word processor that journals keystrokes/mouse clicks so that a
> file could be recovered in the event of a crash? 

Thunder 7, a spectacular interactive spell checker/thesauras from Baseline,
available from MacWarehouse (800-255-6227) for about $56 has a module called 
Ghostwriter (I think that's correct, although it is at home on my IIvx)
which captures all keystrokes. The captured data is kept in a folder in your
system folder. That folder contains folders for each day. Each day's folder
contains a seperate text file for each application you use that day. From the
text file it is straightforward to reconstruct your lost file.

I have been thankful I have it a few times when I trashed the wrong original!
I have also recovered files when I have had crahes. Periodically (every week or so) I empty the main folder and continue from the new point I just established.

I do not have any interest in Baseline or MacWarehoiuse. I am just a satisfied
customer of both.

Peace,
Caryn

-- 
Caryn Kristen Roberts   (206)237-2870(days)  Boeing Commercial Airplanes
Internet: ckr2196@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com      ditto
In real life the following works just fine:
AOL: CarynKR2   FIDO: Caryn Roberts (1:343/104)  Internet: CarynKR2@aol.com
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From: martinn@mksol.dseg.ti.com (niels r martin)
Subject: Text/Multimedia Search Program
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:41:44 GMT

I'm looking for a program (with a nice normal Mac interface) that will allow
me to perform boolean searches on textfiles.  It would be even nicer if I could
do it on "normal" files with graphics, etc integrated.  I know of TextBrowser
or something like that and it works OK, but I would prefer something that is 
a standalone application, not running under hypercard.  I will have several Megs
of data that I will want to be able to search.

Thanks for any info.

Niels


-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
Niels Martin			   |                      
martinn@mksol.dseg.ti.com	   | Quos deus vult perdere prius dementat!
My opinions don't represent my employer's--but they're right!
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