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From: OneSpeed@cup.portal.com (Donald Stevens Sutherland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TA I & II - The biggest coincidence of all
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 23:30:30 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <69355@hydra.gatech.EDU>

>There have been numerous posts about the weak spots, etc. in TA I & II.
>But what about the fact that the entire story hinges on a very large
>coincidence:  how likely is it that Data's head should be found, prompting
>an investigation of the alien presence on 19th century earth, DURING the
>time period that the alien time-travelers are embarking from?  This is a
>pretty big coincidence!  (Of course, if it hadn't been found THEN, it
>wouldn't have BEEN there to be found....)
>
>Tim

  True...  There is also the question of when/how did this time loop start???
Once going the coincidences will happen, but how does it start...

Don Sutherland
OneSpeed@cup.portal.com
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From: ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Computer on Enterprise
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:54:32 GMT

In article <phurley.28@tamu.edu>, phurley@tamu.edu (Philip W. Hurley) writes:
> In article <1992Sep23.073412.9804@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (
> Rob Harrington) writes:
> 
>>And another thing, if all you have to do is say "Computer" what happens
>>when the word "Computer" comes up in casual conversation?

There have been a ton of responses to this, but they all seem to overlook one
obvious fact: the computer also runs the _holodeck_ and simulates entire
_personalities_.  If it can "play" a person, surely it can tell when
someone is talking to it and not to someone else, just as you or I can.
Although the lack of visual sensors in the ship removes body-language clues
{i.e., staring at the ceiling while saying "computer"} it is still usually
obvious when they want to talk to the computer isn't it?  Have you ever been
watching the show and think that a character was _not_ addressing the computer
when he was?  Just imagine the computer running a continuous holodeck
simulation of you, blindfolded.  (This applies to how the doors act as well.)

P.S. If the Enterprise _did_ have hidden cameras, it would be a _lot_ easier
to track all those characters that don't have life signs.  It would also
be possible to do much more detailed monitoring.  But I've never seen anyone
say "Computer, display shuttle bay 2 on main viewer." or anything of the
sort.
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    / /\ \   _____| |   ____/ /  | |\ \     ________       / /
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Promos for: RELICS (#230)
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 04:01:27 GMT

Promos for the next new ST:TNG episode: "Relics" (#230) were released today.
The actual program will air starting on Saturday, October 10th.  Following 
this will be more new episodes, including: Schisms and Q-Me...


Here is the promo copy (announcer):

IN AN UNCHARTED CORNER OF THE GALAXY...

  [ The Enterprise is dwarfed by a LARGE artifact in space (Dyson Sphere?) ]

  [ Riker and Geordi at a transporter console; Scotty is materializing ]

...A LEGEND HAS BEEN TRAPPED IN TIME FOR SEVENTY-FIVE YEARS.

  [ Picard and all the regulars welcome Scotty in the Shuttle bay ]

HAUNTED BY THE PAST...

  [ Closeup of Scotty; view of the NCC-1701 bridge ]

...HE YEARNS FOR ANOTHER CALL TO ACTION.  

  [ Scotty sitting in his quarters ]

BUT THE FUTURE HOLDS NO PLACE FOR HIM.

  [ Scott and Geordi in Engineering ]

 Scotty:  As one engineer to another, I can do this.

  [ Picard, Riker, Worf, Data, Ensign Rager on the bridge; it is shaking ]

CAN HE BECOME A HERO ONE LAST TIME?

  [ The Enterprise flies towards an exit in the Sphere ]

  [ Geordi and Scotty on the Jenolan bridge; Geordi in the Captain's chair ]

 Scotty:  It's coming apart lad!

  [ an explosion on the Jenolan bridge ]

SCOTTY RETURNS, ON STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.


Short promo:
  For seventy-five years he has been trapped in time...

  [ Scotty with Geordi in Main Engineering ]

 Scotty:  I'm here to help!

  Scotty returns on Star Trek: The Next Generation.


<< MotP notes: it sure seems like someone in the TNG wardrobe department
   is running amok!  Last week the pips were all mixed up, and we have the 
   same thing happening once again in this episode.  A very blatant example 
   was Geordi's normal two-solid/one-hollow LCDR pips being replaced by two
   *hollow* and one solid.  Very strange...  >>


-{ Dean Adams }-
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The new race for DS9 & Realm of Fear
Date: 4 Oct 92 08:00:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct4.010022.3631
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <17883@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>
jfreund@relleno.engr.ucdavis.edu (Jason Freund) writes:

>
>	Isn't there a new treat to the Federation in DS9?  Some new race that
>attacked the space station before the season will begin?
>
>	Is the race (I forgot the name) the same as mentioned as the possible
>cause of the disaster that killed the crew of the other ship in Realm of
>Fear?  Was this the first time that race has been mentioned in TNG?  Picard
>and Starfleet seemed real cautious on R.o.F. about this race.  What else
>do we know about them?
>
>Jason


The "race" is the Cardasians....

Dave
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Info please on stations carryind DSN
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:16:04 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <j430783@pro-amber.cts.com> rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki) writes:
<In <4202@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
<
<>In article <1992Sep30.084810.2376@inland.com> tanski@inland.com writes:
<><A time ago, someone posted which networks would be carring "Deep Space
<><Nine".  If anyone has that information, would you send it, via email, to
<><me?  Thanks in advance.
<>
<>Sorry, but DSN will not be on any network.  It is syndicated.  I had posted
<>a list that I got from an ad in Broadcasting, but now I can't find the file.
<
<Syndicated, syndicated or do you mean the Fox network?

I meant exactly what I said, syndicated.  Sounds like you don't know what
syndicated means.

A syndicated program is one that is produced and sold to any TV station that
will buy it.  That TV station could be an affiliate of a network or an indepen-
dent.  In my case, ST:TNG and ST:DSN are on my local CBS station.

ST:TNG and ST:DSN are not distributed by any network, period!
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From: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Originator: jawiles@c00477-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY ALLEN WILES)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:36:48 GMT


In article <1992Sep25.142743.2660@wkuvx1.bitnet>, kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos) writes:
|> Path: taco!rock!stanford.edu!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ukma!netnews.louisville.edu!wkuvx1!kinnema
|> From: kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos)
|> Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
|> Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
|> Message-ID: <1992Sep25.142743.2660@wkuvx1.bitnet>
|> Date: 25 Sep 92 14:27:43 CDT
|> References: <90272@netnews.upenn.edu> <f79ndvp.saf@netcom.com>
|> Distribution: usa
|> Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY
|> Lines: 28
|> 
|> In article <f79ndvp.saf@netcom.com>, saf@netcom.com (Steve A. Feinstein) writes:> In article <90272@netnews.upenn.edu> chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin) writes>>original Star Trek series and its sequel, Star Trek: The Next 
|> > Recently Nick-at-Night performed an identical stunt on the Mary Tyler
|> > Moore show. What I used to get off the air on local TV - 20 I can now
|> > only get by paying for Nick.  While I'm not thrilled with the Idea of
|> > this.  It does appear to be the trend in broadcasting. Rather than
|> > fight it, I'll just tink of Nick and the SF Channel as musems of my
|> > favorite programs (indeed Nick's TV Heritage schpiel seems to imply
|> > this).  I only hope that through their reliable and large distribution
|> > channels that they can bring these great shows to more and more people
|> > who might never have had the opportunity to get them.
|> 
|> Sorry, but I feel this is total BS.  For one thing, not all people
|> can afford cable, and if a person lives somewhere where they can't
|> pick up a broadcast station, most likely they won't have cable access
|> either.  If you really want "more and more people" to see them, they
|> need to stay in syndication.
|> 
|> To that effect, I feel we need to start a movement to deluge Paramount
|> with letters expressing our concern, and ask them NOT to sell
|> exclusive rights to the Sci-Fi (or any other) Channel.  I'm assuming
|> the appropriate addresses are in the FAQ, and if not would someone
|> post them?

Hmmm.... It isn't like Paramount to give EXCLUSIVE rights to other companies 
for their GOLD MINES!  If the SF-Channell actually pulls this off (I don't 
believe they will because of the fact they can't even get a Dr. Who Exclusive,
much less and exclusive for THE most popular "Sci-Fi" series' in history!), 
I will be too old to care 8-).  Unless the Paramount Brass suffers a collective
mental breakdown, I don't see them "selling off" TOS or TNG until the 24th 
Century becomes a reality!

So you see, getting an exclusive on MTM is a much different ballgame than 
getting an exclusive for TOS or TNG.  (How many MTM t-shirts, christmas 
ornaments, and books do YOU see around these days?)

--- jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu          DATA LIVES!
From: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Inconsistencies in "Time's Arrow II" (NO SPOILERS)
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:21:22 GMT
Reply-To: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Organization: Robotic Midwives, Ltd.

In article <1a52uuINNk1o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:
>
>	(6)  Sam Clemens saves this episode.  The actor who played
>him did a great job.
>

I agree about the actor, even thought the writers did their best to
assinate the character (as covered here by others in exhuastive detail).

My only problem is that they made him up to look far too *old*. Clemens
had roughly 20 years to live at the time of this story, but they made
him look like he did just before he died (i.e. in his mid '70s). Did
that character look like a man in his mid '50s to you? Especially one
who had not had an espcially rough life? It looked more like the production
people were trying to imitate James Whitmore playing Twain (probably
the most familar visual reference we have now) than the real thing.

- Jack


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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:40:56 EDT
From: Charles Hessenius <CH8305A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: ST:TNG movie ???
 <1992Oct4.233747.7953@ac.dal.ca>

     At least in this series, they have moved characters around and have
introduced new ones from time to time.  While Riker should be a captain,
at least by his objective qualifications to be one, it seems that the
show wants us to accept that the Borg just left the Federation too
short of ships even now.  While that's not too satisfying, that seems
to be when the writers dropped the issue of promotion.
     Riker, if promoted, would choose Worf as his first officer.  Remember
that he did so, with apologies to Data, when he captained a ship in
a wargames exercise with the Enterprise.
     I've read that Bergman and the creative staff thought that seven
seasons would be the course for STNG.  That would mean no movies until
1994 or 1995, which leaves room for STVII, if they want to risk
embarrassing themselves.
From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Beta-Zoid Plexing
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:54:47 GMT
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222

In article <1992Oct5.205120.13113@wuecl.wustl.edu>
ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:
 
>Plexing is one of weirdest pseduo science ever on ST:NG. Tapping on
>the artery behind the cortoid (?) nerve in the neck seems to INSTANTANEOUSLY
>release endorphins that INSANTANEOUSLY has an  effect in calming Barclay.
>Barcllay looks ridiculous when he taps that stupid nerve.
>
>Why shoould betazoid plexing work on a human?
>
 
Did you ever hear of the placebo effect?  There may not be any such thing as
plexing.  Troi could have made it up to give Barclay something to do to
relieve his stress and anxiety.  If the patient thinks it works, it works.
This is a common theraputic technique, especially with stress disorders.
 
 
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Computer on Enterprise
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 21:56:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.160137.12902@newstand.syr.edu> crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea) writes:
>In article <20664@plains.NoDak.edu> jclark@plains.NoDak.edu (The Master Coder) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep23.073412.9804@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington) writes:
>>>And another thing, if all you have to do is say "Computer" what happens
>>>when the word "Computer" comes up in casual conversation?
>>
>>Well, then the word "computer" is ignored through the use of some very advanced
>>Artificial Intelligence routines known as "Script Writing" and "Dramatic
>>License."
>>
>>Now, if I could get some better script writers for my life....
>>
>>Justin J. Clark (jclark@plains.nodak.edu)
>>Traveller through time and space, stranded in a world gone mad!
>
>Now that you mention it, how is it the computer actually understands and
>responds to all the slang and wry asides uttered by crewmembers talking to
>it? I'm referring to episodes I've seen when Giordi and Bev banter with the
>computer.

'Banter with the computer'? This has never happened. What does happen sometimes
is that Geordi (or Bev, or just about anybody else) will utter some bit of slang
in response to the results they just gotten from the computer. Then the computer
will go into ultra-logical mode, and try to interpret what they've just said.
The Geordi has to 'cancel request', so the computer won't go crazy.


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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Subject: Re: Promos for: MAN OF THE PEOPLE (#229)
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 10:04:19 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
> >Short promo:
> >  Seductive alien powers force Troi to pay the ultimate price,
> >  on Star Trek: The Next Generation.
> 
> Is this going to be the new gimmick of the season: regular crew member
> dies?
> 

No just a lot of "ultimate price" paying.  What is the going rate of the
"ultimate price" these days anyway?  About 10.95?  :)


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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data and contractions
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:18:04 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <goudswaa.717631178@sfu.ca> goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) writes:

>Any student of AI and natural language processing will tell you that
>it's a simple matter to create contractions as output.  How about
>something as simple as replacing "I am" with "I'm"?  It doesn't take
>a genius to figure that one out.  Of course context has a lot to do
>with it, but that's beside the point.  The fact is, it is very easy
>to implement, and some layman at Paramount decided to give Data a few
>machine-like characteristics.  Unfortunately, not being able to say
>contractions was a wrong choice.

I don't think so.  I think it was a fine choice.

Let's see:

The people didn't like Lore because he was too "human".
Soong built Data to be less "human".
Soong thought that not using contractions would be a good way to make Data
   seem "different".
Soong put an inhibitor in Data to prevent him from using contractions.

Data knows what they are, and how they are used, but he cannot use them
in conversation.

It makes sense.

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From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling)
Subject: Re: Q WHO
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:50:13 GMT

In article <10702946.38.717728149@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, 10702946@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (PARTH DESAI) writes:
> Q WHO is the episode we are going to watch this thursday down here in 
> Australia.
> This is the episode where the Enterprise meets the BORG for the first time.
> 
> I would like to know exactly how many seasons ahead are the episodes in the 
> US compared to this.

This isn't the first showing down there, is it? If it is, you're WAY out 
of date! That appears somewhere in the middle of season TWO, while up 
here, we're just starting season SIX, so you're about 3 1/2 seasons 
behind us. For YOUR sake, I hope they miss "The Royale". Mata ne.

                                                      -=]> Max <[=-

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From: rat1@me1.MsState.Edu (Robert Thompson)
Subject: Re: S.O.S. signal (Really!  I mean it!)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:37:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.154217.687@altair.selu.edu> scsd1005@altair.selu.edu (Terry Cooper) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.164850.15170@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger) writes:
>     [...stuff deleted]
>
>> Few things annoy me more than the phrase "but time travel is NOT possible,
>> so this whole thing is irrelevant", this is like the phrase "travel faster
>> than the speed of sound is impossible", or other similiar naive comments.
>> I don't mean to flame anyone here, but no-one has the authority to say
>> "it's not possible" about ANYTHING, we just don't KNOW!  For all we know
>> Einstein could be completely wrong about relativity (after all it IS only
>> a POSTULATE) he could be close in the sense that Newtonian physics is close,
>> but not correct.
>> 
>> and if anyone even thinks about mentioning a paradox to do with travel
>> back in time I won't answer for the consequences.......
>> 
>It doesn't matter how annoyed you get. You obviously do NOT
>understand the principles involved. For example, you equate "FTL
>travel is impossible" with "Time travel backward is impossible."

And you obviously do not understand the limitations of our
current physical model of the universe.  Space-time has already
been shown once to be an amazinglly malleable concept.

I actually halfway agree with you about backward time travel.
IMHO it's not terribly good hard sci-fi, but it does make for
some pretty good Star Trek.

It's just that we really have no basis to say anything about
time travel at this point based on our current knowledge.  Maybe
after we get gravity quantized and a GUT advanced with less
than 1e10 dimensions then we can talk about time travel.  Maybe.

--Another environmentalist for nuclear energy--
From: 772dunkerley@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:56:19 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1686DC436.IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>, IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil) writes:
> In article <90402@netnews.upenn.edu>
> chaim@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Chaim R. Dworkin) writes:
>  
>>broadcast nets.  But my concern is more for people who can't afford to
>>put out the $20 a month it takes to have cable service.
>  
> Are you just as concerned for the non sci-fi folks who can't afford
> to see the Turner library?

I'm just disgusted with the whole idea of 'exclusive rights' to any show.
I see a bad moon rising here.  Someday, we will have to pay for ANYTHING we
want to watch, because regular broadcast TV won't have anything to show.
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