From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Tired of that subject
X-To: STEPHEN A CHANEY
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:32:00 GMT

Steve: You got the attributions wrong.  I wrote *nothing* within this post.
I *do* recall contributing to this thread, but somewhere along the line, my
lines were deleted, but my "writes..." header stuck around...


chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes...
SAC> In article <713425491@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel) writes:
SAC> >In article <1992Aug10.001952.4190@zooid.guild.org>
SAC> >Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes: (......NOT!)
SAC> >>steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes...     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SAC> >
SAC> >>SN> C'mon.  Are you saying the number of single fathers is anywhere CLOSE
SAC> >>SN> the number of single mothers?  Are you really unaware that a man who
SAC> >>SN> impregnates a women can just go spelunking in New Zealand, and the he
SAC> >>SN> with the woman?
SAC> >
SAC> >First we get a long lecture how *hard* it is for a woman to fly
SAC> >to another state to have an abortion.  Next we get another, even
SAC> >more Politically Correct, lecture about how easy it is for a man
SAC> >to move to another country for good.

SAC> Inconsistency. You know that is a pro-choice hallmark. As much as they
SAC> accuse the pro-lifers of being inconsistent. I dunno where you stand,
SAC> but whichever way, don't make _that_ mistake.

SAC> If you're going to side with choice, side with it for men, too.

SAC> As for pro-lifers, we have no problems with child support: if abortion
SAC> is banned, our next cause will be feeding deadbeat fathers to the sharks.
SAC> Gee, it could even be an Olympic competition... :)

SAC> >I bet that:
SAC> >
SAC> >1) Those who give the lecture have never tried to move to another country.

SAC> Well, if women will travel/move out of state for abortions, why can't
SAC> rich folks travel/move out of the state/country to certain places in
SAC> Europe, where drugs are legal?

SAC> Heck, there's this park in either Sweden or Switzerland, where CBS
SAC> News showed that drugs are legal and that junkies go there all the
SAC> time.

SAC> Pot was illegal except in places like Alaska, a few years back. If
SAC> people simply went to Alaska to use pot, why not just legalize it
SAC> everywhere? Of course, pro-choicers know this argument is fallacious
SAC> because if they were to be consistent with it, they'd _have_ to agree
SAC> that we should have legalized pot, and they'd have to explain that to
SAC> the American People, who would eventually come clamoring to their door
SAC> with a less than friendly intent. :)

SAC> >2) Most feminists know that it is cow-shit; that's why they think that
SAC> >   the FBI is the right tool for collecting "child's support."

SAC> What mother would want to be bothered with collecting child support
SAC> from a man who could simply tell his unwanted child, "Your mother is
SAC> forcing me to pay for you, you leech - I never wanted you"? But of
SAC> course, the court could say the father has no right to see the kid.

SAC> Oh, and Novak and Stein, shut up. You know damn well that mothers
SAC> who've been made to carry unwanted pregnancies have, in many
SAC> instances, told their kids they didn't want them and that they were
SAC> mistakes. So unless you're willing to denounce _that_ act, don't
SAC> denounce the scenario I mentioned above. I just thought I'd catch you
SAC> little weasels before you jumped.


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