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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:37:25 -0500
From:         S1MBM@ISUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The Lost Ones

Installment #5:

No!  Installment #4!  (as with the question of the cylinder's surface, all
authority should be questioned!):



And yet it takes courage to climb. For half the rungs are missing and thiw
(this) without regard to harmony. If only every second one were missing no
great harm would be done. But the want of three in a row calls for acrobatics.
These ladders are nevertheless in gret demand and in no danger of being
reduced to mere uprights runged at their extremities alone. For the need to
climb is too widespread. To feel it no longer is a rare deliverance. The
missing rungs are in the hands of a happy few who use them mainly for attack
and self-defence. Their solitary attempts to brain themselves culminate at
the best in brief losses of consciousness. The purpose of the ladders is to
convey the searchers to the niches. Those whom these entice no longer climb
simply to get clear of the ground. It is the custom not to climb two or more
at a time. To the fugitive fortunate enough to find a ladder free it offers
certain refuge until the clamours subside.



   There's the reference to harmony again. Ian, logical positivism is so-
called because of its adherents' belief in the positivity of *fact*, the
belief that it is enough to know facts individually because facts
positively *accrue* to form a complete picture of the world.  In this sense
it is a kind of belief in sheer induction, in particulars *building up* to
form a composite picture of the whole.  In this respect, I think that the
speaker's constant references to harmony betray an assumption that the
particulars depicted here might have *once* figured a kind of harmonic
whole, even if the searchers have dismantled that whole "without regard to
harmony."  The speaker beholds absence and *infers* a missing whole, a
(an) implied harmony.  The business about the desire to climb probably invokes
a resonance with the theme of transcendence in our minds, does it not, a
theme that SB will of course finds ways to frustrate.

Michael McDonald
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:20:37 -0500
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Subject:      Re: How it might be

Ian, *The Lost Ones* sounds good to me, since I have a copy but have never
done a complete reading of this work.  Shall I start typing it in?

Michael McD
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From: robcruic@intacc.uucp (Robert Cruickshank)
Subject: Re: The NEW Yorker!
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:09:02 GMT
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In article <1992Oct2.162634.1143@leland.Stanford.EDU> ehle@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ehle) writes:
>I haven't been able to find a newsgroup for which this post is
>perfectly suited; I hope this is not too off the subject on any of the
>groups I'm sending to.

How `bout rec.mag?
>
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:39:23 -0500
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Subject:      Re: Discussion on "The Grapes of Wrath"?

Kurt, thanks for posting your insights.  It's pretty clear to me that Rose
of Sharon's final action is not only Christ-like, but effectively offers
an alternative for of spirituality to that of the church, to organized
religions that, save for the brave exceptions, typically offer *only*
abstract hopes and soothing nothings to the downtrodden, whereas Rose's
act is simultaneously utterly spiritual and completely earthy, an act of
physical sustenance that resonates with all we could hope to know of
divinity.

Michael McDonald
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From:         Mark Banaszak <S946573@UMSLVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: attn: Literary critics
              25 Sep 1992 15:50:00 EST from <EMARTZ@A1.PSUPEN.PS U.EDU>

I read _Vineland_, and to be honest I didn't enjoy it as much as I had his
other stuff.  Perhaps because it didn't seem asornnately paranoid, and perhaps
because I feel so much more well adjusted than I did then.  _Vineland_ reminded
me to much of some Tom Robbins novel as well.  _The Crying of Lot 49_ is still
one of my favorites.  I sort of wonder what caused the connection between
Sterne and Pynchon though.  There's plenty of people who toy with their
readers, but Sterne seems to do it only playfully.  Pynchon always seemed to
want me to ask myself whether what I percieve is real or self-delusion.
mark banaszak
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:43:18 -0400
From:         IAN YORK <YORK@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: *The Lost Ones*

        Although the cyclical nature of the light is emphasized, there is
also an implicit threat of a final halt: "It is perhaps the end of their
abode".  Suggests 1)  There is an end possible;  2)  The Lost Ones do no
not WANT an end: "all go dead still" - although perhaps I'm reading too much
and it is the stillness of anticipation.
        Ianb
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From:         Charlie Reitsma <REITSMAC@DENISON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Full Justification Problem

Michael Strangelove wrote:

>A strange thing has occurred while working on a document in wpwin (which, oddly
>enough, happens to concern justification).  I had the margins set to 1" and
>7.5", justification was full, and point size was 14.  This made the type on
>the screen large enough to read easily and also ensured that the entire
>line would be visable on screen at all times (instead of disappearing off the
>right side of the screen edge).
>
>Now at some point my text display suddenly changed and the spaces between the
>words became enourmous (not the number of spaces, but the size of spaces).
>This resulted in almost a third of each line disappearing off the right
>edge of the screen.  The document lines now look  like this:
>
>xxxxx        xxxxx    xxx          xxxx          xxxxxx          xxxx      xxxx
>
>And the only way I can get the entire line to display on screen is by
>setting justification to "left".  My other documents are unaffected.

WordPerfect for DOS used to do this...it could be overcome by changing the
Display Pitch (Format, Document, Display Pitch).  I don't use WP 4 WIN enough
to know if there is an equivalent setting.  I always assumed it resulted from
Word Perfect trying to show too fine a space between characters.  To show any
space at all it had to make all the other spacing look enormous.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:58:29 -0400
From:         "(Richard Reiner)" <rreiner@NEXUS.YORKU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Wide Spaces in WYSIWYG...

In your message of 10:09 Oct 5 1992, you write:

> I've had trouble with the wide spaces, too.  It seems to be the Zoom feature.
> The way I've corrected it to:
>
>         1. Select the Zoom feature
>         2. Select 75%
>         3. Then reselect your original sizing, e.g., 100%, 110%, etc.
>
> This should correct the problem.

This is a temporary fix, but the "problem" recurs.  What happens is that
WP automatically adjusts the display pitch mapping in order to be able
to replresent very fine spacing differences that can occur when yu have
mixed typefaces or styles on a line.  To turn this automatic adjustment
off for a document, choose Layout, Document, Display Pitch, Manual,
100%.  The setting is saved with the document.




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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:44:19 -0700
From:         Rich Wales <wales@CS.UCLA.EDU>
Subject:      Screen font display problem, WPWIN interim release

I just got the WP for Windows "interim release" (4/30/92), which WP sent
me for free in response to some bug reports I gave them earlier this
month.

However, a new problem has now shown up in the interim release that was
definitely not in my earlier, original copy of WPWIN.  I called WP Tech-
nical Support this morning, but so far they haven't been able to figure
it out.  Maybe you folks can do better. :-}

I'm using an HP LaserJet IIP printer, with a PostScript emulation car-
tridge (PacificPage P-E).  The PacificPage cartridge came with a copy
of Bitstream Facelift (version 1.0 -- definitely not the latest and
greatest), plus a set of screen fonts corresponding to the 35 "standard"
PostScript fonts.

I'm running WPWIN under Windows 3.1, of course.

Now, here's my problem.  Certain characters from WP's extended character
set no longer display properly on my screen in certain fonts.  For exam-
ple:  the long dash (4,34) and the double quote marks (4,31 and 4,32).
Instead of showing up as the correct characters, they are now displayed
as little square "bullets".

This problem does not exist in all PostScript fonts -- just some.  And
it doesn't seem to matter whether I am using the WP printer driver for
the PacificPage P-E; a WP driver for another PostScript printer such as
an Apple LaserWriter IINT; or a Windows printer driver for an Apple
laser printer.  I also went to WP's BBS and got the latest version of
their driver for the PacificPage P-E (WPPS75.ALL); no effect.

I did not have this problem with the original WPWIN release.  The char-
acters in question displayed just fine.  The problem started when I
installed the interim release.

Also, the problem affects =ONLY= the display on the screen.  Actual
printed documents come out fine, with all the special characters looking
as they should.

As I said, WP Technical Support has so far been unable to help me.  The
two people I talked with today (a regular support person and his "tech-
nician") were both stumped, but thought it might either be the fault of
my old version of Bitstream Facelift or an unfortunate side effect of
improved TrueType font support in the new WPWIN release.  The technician
took my number and said someone would call me back, so perhaps they'll
come up with something, but I'm not holding my breath.

Any ideas, anyone?  I'd rather not back out of the interim release and
reinstall the original, but I am prepared to do so rather than have to
deal with this latest problem.

Rich Wales <wales@CS.UCLA.EDU> // UCLA Computer Science Department
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From:         D Martinez <AGDNDMC@MIZZOU1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Full Justification Problem
              3 Oct 1992 09:11:55 EDT from <441495@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>

Re: M Strangelove's display problems.

Let me throw this one, just in case:  Have not you inadvertently shifted to
draft mode?   Just wondering.

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From:         LEO PLUGGE <VRDP3PLU@RULIMBURG.NL>
Subject:      Re: Full Justification Problem

Michael Strangelove wrote:

>A strange thing has occurred while working on a document in wpwin (which, oddly
>enough, happens to concern justification).  I had the margins set to 1" and
>7.5", justification was full, and point size was 14.  This made the type on
>the screen large enough to read easily and also ensured that the entire
>line would be visable on screen at all times (instead of disappearing off the
>right side of the screen edge).
>
>Now at some point my text display suddenly changed and the spaces between the
>words became enourmous (not the number of spaces, but the size of spaces).
>This resulted in almost a third of each line disappearing off the right
>edge of the screen.  The document lines now look  like this:
>
>xxxxx        xxxxx    xxx          xxxx          xxxxxx          xxxx      xxxx
>
>And the only way I can get the entire line to display on screen is by
>setting justification to "left".  My other documents are unaffected.

Sorry, Michael. I can't help you, but I've experienced the same when I used
graphics in a document. The strange this was: sometimes it happened
instantaneously  and
sometimes it took some time and happened only after I scrolled through the text

From the behavior I guess it's a real bug, it's too irratic for a consisted
mistake by the user.
Let's hope WPCorp fixes it soon.

Leo

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From:         "(John D. Harrington)" <stump@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Subject:      Screen Fonts

I thought of some other screen problems with the interim release
that I experienced using WPWIN and thought I would share.  I have
found that I could not paste some graphics, bitmaps, I believe and
see the graphics on screen.

I was using 3.1, and the WP HPIII Postscript driver.  I found the
only way to see them was to use the Windows driver.  It seems that
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From:         "PERGAMENTUM INIT, EXIT PURGAMENTUM..." <00FJDOLAK@BSUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Wide Spaces in WYSIWYG...

I've had trouble with the wide spaces, too.  It seems to be the Zoom feature.
The way I've corrected it to:

        1. Select the Zoom feature
        2. Select 75%
        3. Then reselect your original sizing, e.g., 100%, 110%, etc.

This should correct the problem.


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Date:         Sat, 3 Oct 1992 09:11:55 EDT
From:         MICHAEL STRANGELOVE <441495@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA>
Subject:      Full Justification Problem

A strange thing has occurred while working on a document in wpwin (which, oddly
enough, happens to concern justification).  I had the margins set to 1" and
7.5", justification was full, and point size was 14.  This made the type on
the screen large enough to read easily and also ensured that the entire
line would be visable on screen at all times (instead of disappearing off the
right side of the screen edge).

Now at some point my text display suddenly changed and the spaces between the
words became enourmous (not the number of spaces, but the size of spaces).
This resulted in almost a third of each line disappearing off the right
edge of the screen.  The document lines now look  like this:

xxxxx        xxxxx    xxx          xxxx          xxxxxx          xxxx      xxxx

And the only way I can get the entire line to display on screen is by
setting justification to "left".  My other documents are unaffected.

I can't see any strange codes and have check all settings and cannot
find what has happened or what eveil thing I may have done.  Any assistance
would be welcomed on this annoying problem.


Michael Strangelove
Department of Religious Studies
University of Ottawa

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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:17:10 -0400
From:         JLSTERN@DELPHI.COM
Subject:      Re: Screen Fonts

About pasting graphics and keeping them visible...

Isn't this ability dependent on setting (in Preferences) the option to
"both" for storing images within a document? As in "store both as WPG
and WMF formats within document."

Jerry Stern
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:13:00 EDT
From:         Charlie Reitsma <REITSMAC@DENISON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Screen font display problem, WPWIN interim release

>I did not have this problem with the original WPWIN release.  The char-
>acters in question displayed just fine.  The problem started when I
>installed the interim release.

I use the interim release with the Windows driver.  I have a completely
different setup but I have not discovered any fonts that don't show me all
their characters.
From: wmorwvj@urc.tue.nl
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Subject: Re: Full Justification Problem
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:10:18 GMT
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands

In article <WPWIN-L%92100309245485@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>, 441495@ACADVM1.UOTTAWA.CA (MICHAEL STRANGELOVE) writes:
..
> This resulted in almost a third of each line disappearing off the right
> edge of the screen.  The document lines now look  like this:
> 
> xxxxx        xxxxx    xxx          xxxx          xxxxxx          xxxx      xxxx

There is a way out. Set the display pitch (Layout, Document, Display
pitch to 100%, manual. This will solve the problem for the current
session but, unfortunately, as far as I know, you cannot set this
display pitch as a default, neither for a document, nor for
WordPerfect as a whole. Also it is rather strange to hide a menu
option concerning the display, and the display only, under a menu
affecting the lay-out of the document. 

Wouter van Joolingen
Eindhoven University of Technology
The netherlands

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