From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari is irrelevant.  Falcon is irrelevant.  You will be assimilated.
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Date: 21 Jul 92 19:51:53 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <33217@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
> In article <mykes.09b4@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>
> >Take Amiga Corp., which designed the Amiga hardware and software, and
> >multiply it by 10 and you have Atari (in the respects that count).
>
> So let's see...  The original Amiga corp no longer exists.  So are you saying
> that Atari Corp is 10x more non-existant.  No, that can't be.  OK, so let's
> see here, the original Amiga Corp was bought up by Commodore.  I know that Atari
> Corp wasn't bought up 10x more by Commmodore, there's no reason for anyone to
> buy Atari.  The original Amiga corp contained lots of very smart guys who are
> now off doing other things.  Now, maybe Atari at once contained 10x as many
> engineers, but I doubt it, since they never produce anything new on their own
> (they do buy stuff, which is generally a good idea if the price is right).
> They certainly didn't contain folks 10x as good as the Amiga folks -- quite a
> few of the people who followed Jack to Atari were bozos, and I know some of
> them aren't around Atari anymore.  So I guess the conclusion could only be that
> 10x as many people are ex-Atari as ex-Amiga.  That kind of makes sense, if for
> no other reason than Atari has been around for awhile :-).
>

Wow, what kind of reasoning are you using, Dave?  Amiga Corp was able to ALMOST
build a decent computer before it fell flat on its face and needed to be bought
just to get the Amiga to market.  Atari is 10x more able to be 10x as long in
delaying shipment of a machine to get things right.

Do you really want to revisit the Amiga's early history?  It is embarassing,
Dave.  Look, I bought my A1000 4 months after the launch (December 1985).  It
came with an operating system that gurued if you looked at it funny.  It wouldn't
run for 3 minutes even if you didn't do anything to it :)  INCOMPETENT.  That's the
only word to describe the A1000 with OS 1.0.  Gosh, I remember actually trying to
program the thing from floppy drives in 512K of CHIP using a piece of SHIT
Lattice 'C' compiler.  The Amiga linker was quickly named "Deep Thought" because
it would spin the disk for a second then the machine would sit and appear to do
nothing for minutes.  That was until I found the "FASTER" command line switch
which did make it faster.  But the machine crashed after running ALink.  Nice
touch.  And my favorite application was the Mandrill demo, which threw up a
nice picture and hung the machine.  But the machine did do something useful -
it let me do DIR from AmigaDOS and run the lines and boxes demos.

You can flame atari all you want, but the ST actually worked, despite its
bugs, from day one.  And IF they are working on a new machine, it is 10x
more likely that it will work better than the A1000 under OS 1.0.  Make
that 100000000000000000000000 x more likely.

>
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> >Author of Amiga GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle,
> >and Genesis Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
> >Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
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>
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> Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"
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>

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Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
Los Altos, CA 94024

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