From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:20:03 GMT
Organization: The Hellen Keller-Bondurant High Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <1992Jul17.063016.21262@news.unomaha.edu> ELHAZIN@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Issa Elhazin) writes:
>Car's are my thing and bull-shit is not so why don't you instead get in 
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
then, why do you fill your postings with it?

>your Saturn and take a hike.
>
>MEANINGLESS NUMBERS DELETED?? you mean the better engine, better 
>transmission, better brakes, better ride, better driver comfort/
>ergonomics, better fit and finish/quality, better styling, better 
>warranty, more cargo area, better 0-60, better 0-90, better 1/4-mile,
>better braking, better top speed, better fuel economy, better people 
>mover and more fun to drive meaningless stuff?? Gee, what isn't meaningless 
>[about a car] in your book, cup holders if even that??

"better ... , better ..."...  SAYS WHO?  You are looking at ONE SOURCE, one
which is HARDLY objective...  lessee, (thumb thru current issue of C&D):
I see 8 full-page Nissan ads, and 10 overall for Nissan Corp (incl Infiniti).
I see 0 Saturn ads, and 3 overall for GM Corp (1 GMC, 2 Buick).  Do you have
ANY IDEA how much these ads cost, and how much C&D makes for those ads?
Are you so dense that you can't see a possible connection here?

>>	If you want to make valid performance comparisons, maybe you should try 
>>comparing similarly equipped (enginewise) cars.  At the end of this post you 
>>make a big deal about the SentraE having a 16V engine.  The SL has a SOHC 8V 
>>engine.  Maybe you should have used figures from the SL2, or did you see them 
>>and decide that they would provide a little bit different view- one not to your 
>>liking?
>
>Why don't you just bring out the V10 8-liter Viper and put it against 
>the Sentra while you are at it? I thought we are talking about cars in 
>the same price range [even though some dealers are selling Sentra's for 
>around 7K]. What does this Saturn SL2 thingy make anyway? Is it more than 
>the Sentra SE-R? Are you really in your right mind wanting to compare horse 

BULLSHIT.  You're claiming to know a dealer who is selling SE-Rs for $7K?
Sign me up!  INVOICE on a BARE SE-R is OVER $10K.  Idiot.

>power per liter? The Japanese are getting 195hp/liter, let me see, the 

Must be that "new math"...

>Vipers, Corvettes, Mustangs and Saturns are <= 50 hp/liter (~1/4).

Saturn is 64... and that's for a normally aspirated engine.

>I guess they are worth listening to only when they say something favorably
>about Saturns? All these magazines got to mean at least something. And about 
>the Saturn using the same technology as the Japanese, it is true, but not this 
>decades technology I'm sure. I haven't heard one favorable evaluation of 
>their engines as yet. About the seats, you are right it is a subjective

You must be deaf, then.  Also, their "lost foam casting" process is brand-new
technology, unique to Saturn...  as is there spaceframe structural design...
as is their polymer body panel system...

>>In closing remarks, I'd like to say that I have never seen such misinformed 
>>ranting.  I'd have to say that this individual is suffering from a severe 
>>inferiority complex. Come back again when you can quote accurate and relevant 
>>information.
>
>inferiority complex? or could it be that you are suffering from a case 
>of denial! Accurate and relevant information is what I posted [except 

Actually, the only accurate part of your post was your (partial and carefully
culled) quotes from the C&D article.  This hardly qualifies as objective
research.

>where the Saturn is built]. Gee, go and run the tests yourself, who 
>knows, may be you'll come up with similar results as C/D and CR [as 

CR?  As in Consumer Reports?  Maybe you should reread the CR report -- the
Saturn beat the Nissan in every performance category.

>well as many others]. Read your post and you'll see an example of 
>misinformed ranting that you are talking about, where is the data 
>to support your claims?

Where is the DATA to support yours?  Answer: there is none.

>Issa

No, I don't own a Saturn... but have owned a lemon of a Nissan...


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