From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Pens-0 Red Wings-8/Random thoughts
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:30:54 GMT

Since the Red Wings contact already posted a summary, I'll just post a few 
thoughts.

The Wings were really up for this game.  Earlier in the day, in an article
in one of Detroit's dailies, they had been called "clowns."  That was the final
straw.   This is a talented team that finally exploded and showed what they can
do.

The Pens have to be at their lowest point this season.  The Quinn incident has
really rocked the team, and has affected their play. The Pens only got 10 shots on
goal the first 2 periods to the Wings 40.  Tom Barrasso kept the Pens in the game
as long as he could, but the lifeless play in front of him took its' toll.  Ken
Wregget replaced Barrasso in the third, and faired no better.  The Pens took
18 shots in the third, but it was too little too late.  The Wings outshot them
51-28.

I don't know if it's just me, but did anyone else notice how unprofessionally
Paul Steigerwald was behaving?  I mean, more than usual.  He was surly the
entire game, and had a bad attitude.  (KDKA TV carried the game locally.)

He and Mike Lange have been affected by the Quinn incident, as they know all the 
players involved and are friendly with all.  But Lange kept his private feelings
out of the broadcast, and handled himself well.  Steigerwald acted like a jerk.
His lowest point was when he railed on Probert over his drug and alcohol problems.
Lange jumped to the defense of Probert, saying he overcame a lot and really
cleaned up his act.  That, in Lange's opinion, was quite an accomplishment.

A number of people have asked me how I feel about this whole mess.   I have a lot
of different feelings.  

One of them is that if Tocchet, Lemieux and Errey had just kept it in their pants
I wouldn't have to even be discussing it.  I don't know if Tocchet has anyone,
but Errey's married and Lemieux has a live-in longtime girlfriend.  Were they
so horny that they couldn't wait one more night to get laid? 

As for the alleged rape.  I'm in a grey area over this.  Not because of whose
involved, either.  I felt the same about the Tyson incident.  Alleged gang
rapes (such as the Ciccerelli incident and the current Bengals alleged gang
rape case) also leave me wondering.  (Yes, I know I've ripped on Dino, but
that because he's been a pervert all his life...Lemieux and Co. are new to
this. :-))

On the one hand, no means no.  If the women in the above positions said "no" at
any point during the alleged incidents, that "no" should have been respected.  Sex
should not forced.  Unwanted, forced sex is rape.  If these men continued to 
force themselves on these women, then they are rapists.

But on the other hand, why do these women go back to the hotel rooms (or limos
or wherever) with these guys in the first place?  Let's face it, when a total
stranger asks you back to his hotel room, I really doubt it's going to be to sip 
tea and discuss the impending trade war with Europe.  They want a good time.  And
you can't convince me that these women don't know this. 

I'm not saying that these women deserved to be raped because they go back to 
the hotel room.  I'm saying that these women know that the possibility of sex
exists.  If they have any doubts, they shouldn't go back to the room and put
themselves in such a vunerable position.  Common sense tells you never trust a 
stranger.  Just because they're famous doesn't mean they won't try anything.

Also, would these women be crying "rape" if these men weren't famous?  There
are some big bucks to be made from such selling stories to tabloids and TV rights.

It all comes back to common sense.  If everyone involved would have had some,
none of this would have happened.

As for the report that Lemieux tried to stop the woman's friend from intervening
in the alleged rape, the police said that isn't true.  They didn't say how they
knew that, though.  

We'll never know the real story in any of the cases.

Lori