HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: INFO-PRIME@HOT.Prime.COM (Gavin Kreuiter)
Subject: C Bug
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:28:08 GMT

> From: Barry Gorman <GORMAN_B@prime1.lancashire-poly.ac.uk>
> Subject: A challenge - raise my confidence in Pr1me
>
>                                             I challenge Pr1me to fix it and
> to demonstrate on this list that it has been fixed. I'm pretty certain that
> the fault lies in the handling of the exponent in printf().
> Barry
>
> OK, slist testpr.c
> #include <stdio.h>
> main()
>    {int i; double x=1e-6000;
>     x*=1e-3865;
>     for(i=1; i<10; ++i) printf("%e\n", x*i);}

Extract from a como file running *SAME* BINDed version across primenet:

| OK, stat sys
|
| System SWB is currently running PRIMOS rev. 21.0.7.R10
| Copyright (c) Prime Computer, Inc. 1987
|
| OK, r testpr
| -1.000000e-9865
| -2.000000e-9865
| -3.000000e-9865
| -4.000000e-9865
| -5.000000e-9865
| -6.000000e-9865
| -7.000000e-9865
| -8.000000e-9865
| -9.000000e-9865
| OK, como -e
| ------------------------------------------------------------------------
| OK, stat sys
|
| System HOT is currently running PRIMOS rev. 23.2.0
| Copyright (c) Prime Computer, Inc. 1990
|
| OK, r testpr
| 2.003530e+9863
| 4.007060e+9863
| 6.010590e+9863
| 4.000000e-9865
| 5.000000e-9865
| 6.000000e-9865
| 7.000000e-9865
| 8.000000e-9865
| 9.000000e-9865

So, a fix is to downgrade to rev21.0.  Does that count?

Incidently, if the program is compiled using CI, both revs of Primos
(or to be more precise, revs of the C runtime libraries) result in the bug.

Regards,
Gavin.
From: CHUCK@bkmain.poly-east-london.ac.uk (Chuck Foster)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Problems connecting to Primes
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:46:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: bkmain.MAILQUEUE-101.920814184637.320
Reply-To: Chuck@bkmain.poly-east-london.ac.uk

I'm not sure if anybody is able to help me here, but we have a problem with
our Solbourne machine. It appears that we are only able to PAD to certain
Prime sites in the UK, and not all.

The clearing code I get is 0040, which I cannot remember quite what the means
(setup problem?). As mentioned above, I can pad to some primes here (but not
even our local one!). At first I thought it could have been the revision
(tenuous link!) as the machines I had tried were Rev21, but I have now
connected to a Rev23.1 machine withour a glitch. Similarly I thought it might
be due to logical channel numbers, but have been unable to confirm this.
It may be due to 9K vs 64K lines too ....

If the people at the sites I have tried have any ideas, or indeed
anybody that uses unix machines to call primes, please let me know!
Can anybody help!!! :- (

Succesful Connection:  UK.CO.SSS.A, DUND.PA, NRS, LANCSP.P1
Unsuccessful:          EHCHE, UCE, WOLVES.A, PSW.PA

        Chuck
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: trumbull@unx.sas.com (Ed Trumbull)
Subject: Re: Problems using t$mt
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:39:05 GMT


In article <9208181425.AA23486@usenet.rpi.edu>, you write:
|> My manual says that EOT is 0x40 not 0x20.
|> 
|> I.E.
|> "     eot = stat_vec [1] & 0x20; " is wrong.
   Sorry.  Typo in example.  In reality, the code has a structure for the 
returned status, and I look at the bit marked "eot", instead of "and"ing.
Then again, my structure could be fouled up...
|> 
|>    -Don Slutz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: ADMINSYS@LIBRARY.SHEFFIELD-CITY-POLY.AC.UK (Dave Haywood)
Subject: re: bibi world
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:14:45 GMT

Toni,

> .... stuff deleted ...
>> All is not completely lost though, as we should be on the internet by the
>> end of September; the Sun ought to route the IP packets and then I could
>> still telnet to places (for as long as it lasts :-)).
>
>That means that if you would start using XElink (Primos TCP/IP 3.0 ??)
>you could finally Relay with us!

  I am a UK Relay user and have Internet connectivity.  Could I act as a UK
TCP/IP -> X.25 router for Relay?

  Can relay do this?

Dave.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: pen@lysator.liu.se (Peter Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Gnu TAR for PRIMOS
Keywords: gnu tar primos
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:24:33 GMT

boone@convex.cl.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) writes:

>In article <1529@lysator.liu.se> pen@lysator.liu.se (Peter Eriksson) writes:
>>I'd like to know if anyone has tried the direct tape access features
>>of the port of Gnu TAR to PRIMOS that I did some time ago..?
>>
>>Ie, have read a tape written by a Unix machine, and/or written a tape
>>that was later read by a Unix machine directly from Gnu TAR.

>I wasn't even able to figure out how to tell it what the name of the tape
>drive was.  I'd love to try again, if that magic question gets answered.
>The UX_TAPE utility supplied by Prime couldn't seem to hack the tape I
>wrote on my unix box at all.

Have you tried the command "tar +help"?

To access tape device "MT0" as a medium density drive (1600 bpi), and read
the contents of the TAR archive that's supposed to be there you do:

	tar -tv0m

(Meaning: t = Type contents, v = verbose, 0 = Drive "MT0", m = "Medium = 1600")

Other densities available: "l" = low = 800, "h" = high = 6250.

Check also out the "+magtape_@@" switches. The "+magtape_options" switch takes
as an argument a string consisting of the same command line options as the
PRIMOS ASSIGN command uses. (The string is sent to the C library "open()"
function - see the C Users Guide for more information. Only 9-track tapes
are supported - atleast that's what my manual says..).

/Peter
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: urbans@lmv.lm.se (Urban Sundstrom)
Subject: Re: A challenge - raise my confidence in Pr1me
Organization: National Land Survey of Sweden, S-801 82 Gavle, Sweden. (LMV).
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:30:48 GMT

In article <9208121929.AA04776@usenet.rpi.edu> Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM writes:
>If this is a serious bug that is causing you trouble, please report it to
>PrimeService through the usual established channels so we can track it and
>keep other customers who may be experiencing this problem informed.  (To date,
>we do not have a SPAR [bug report] on this problem.)

>Alan Dossett
>Manager, Systems Software Engineering
>PrimeService

I am managing a couple of cisco routers at our site. I do continously
read the newsgroup comp.dcom.sys.cisco
I recommend Prime staff to follow that list for a while and study
the way cisco staff replys to questions and problem reports from
people on that list. If cisco staff find a question that looks
like a bug or something that is wrong, they reply to the message and
give it a working number, AND DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT THE
QUESTION SHOULD GO "THROUGH THE USUAL ESTABLISHED CHANNELS".

There is a swedish newsgroup that discuss Prime called
swnet.sys.prime. I would very much like the Prime staff in
Sweden to to be active there. Maybe they do not read this list
at all ?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: Jim Cook <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Subject: Re: (none)
Reply-To: <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:05:33 GMT

In article <9208041726.AA03028@usenet.rpi.edu> J.COOK@md-b.prime.com writes:
>
>The announcement that Prime Computer's COMPUTER SYSTEMS BUSINESS UNIT (CSBU)
>as we know it will cease to exist on August 31, 1992 is not a surprise to
>this community.  The fact that CSBU manufacturing has declined and moved
>the remaining CSBU operations, including Prime Information and PI/open
>products to PrimeService, raises more questions than it answers.

I have no idea who "J.COOK@md-b.prime.com" is, but please desist in using this
id or at least sign your own name.

I am Jim Cook <J.COOK@ENS.Prime.COM> and don't appreciate the opinions
attributed to me, particularly while I was on vacation!

Thanks,
Jim
From: trumbull@allegro.unx.sas.com (Ed Trumbull)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Problems using t$mt
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:08:02 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: trumbull@allegro.unx.sas.com


   I'm attempting to write a fairly simple C program to return the
number of file marks on a tape.  Obviously, I'm doing something wrong,
because I keep winding beyond the end of tape mark.

   The filemark counting loop looks something like this:

   short drive, key, stat_vec[6], stat_vec2[6], rc, count;
   eot = count = 0;
   while (! eot)
     {
     key = 0x2480;  /* forward space one filemark */
     t$mt (drive, 0l, 0, key, stat_vec, rc);
     key2 = 0x8000  /* get drive status */
     t$mt (drive, &status, 1, key, stat_vec2, rc);
     eot = stat_vec [1] & 0x20;
     if (stat_vec [1] & 0x100) count++;
     }

  key = 0x0020;  /* rewind tape */
  t$mt (drive, &status, 1, key, stat_vec2, rc); 

  printf ("%d files\n", count);


   The tape drive is a Telex tri-density (Shamrock).  Primos is
22.1.4.  I don't have enough hair left to continue tearing it out, so
please explain the error of my ways.

-- 
Ed Trumbull <trumbull@unx.sas.com>      
SAS Institute, Inc.      SAS Campus Drive   Cary, NC    27513   USA
From: GORMAN_B@prime1.lancashire-poly.ac.uk (Barry Gorman)
Subject: re: responses to my printf() bug
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:25:54 GMT

Goron Lack writes: "what units are you using... If you walk on the edge of
pavement [sidewalk usa] expect to fall off occasionally"

True, but if I do I expect to be picked up by a signal handler, not to
suddenly find myself at the bottom of a deep coal mine.

As it happens, I discovered the fault whislt testing a new mathematical
subroutine, thoroughly! I was using printf() to produce the output, and
I feel that it was reasonable to expect it to produce a decent APPROXIMATION
to the (real) number. Fireproof software should work to the limit then
gracefully degrade in a predictable manner.

I was very interested in the response which indicated Rev21 did it correctly,
our local machine running Rev21 doesn't do it correctly. Will check details.

As has been pointed out, prime C is (C) Pacer, will they still be paid to
support it? ANSWER PLEASE.

Barry
.....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: pen@lysator.liu.se (Peter Eriksson)
Subject: Re: responses to my printf() bug
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:06:09 GMT

GORMAN_B@prime1.lancashire-poly.ac.uk (Barry Gorman) writes:

>As has been pointed out, prime C is (C) Pacer, will they still be paid to
>support it? ANSWER PLEASE.

Why not create a new bug-free C library? Not that difficult. I could
write one for Prime if someone pays me to do it (or donates a Prime
to us at Lysator :-) I almost did it once (got bored so I never finished
it) when I wanted some C functions that wasn't in Primes (Pacers) C library
like vprintf(), a better stdio package and some other stuff.

/Peter
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: djo7613@hardy.u.washington.edu (Dick O'Connor)
Subject: static segment limits and F77
Keywords: Fortran, F77, static segments
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:09:32 GMT

I took so long to get my latest Fortran port to *compile* properly on our
Prime 9750 (?) running Primos 23.0.0, that I was really hoping for first-
time execution! (Me, the optimist.)  What I got was ILLEGAL SEGNO raised in
a segment containing the editor used by most users on our system (I think
it's PMED).  Sysadmin says he's raised my static segment limit to the roof
and it still bombs after opening two files and trying to call the first sub.

I use BIND instead of SEG, by the way.  Would it make a difference if I
tried SEG?  Usually my programs compile and run with the usual syntax and
logic fixes needed, but this system-related stuff is way over my head.

This is a larger program than usual for me, and there's a lot in COMMON. Does
that have a bad effect on the static segment space required?  Can this have 
anything to do with (what's the book call it?) 'misdeclared stack frame 
size?'  Any rags, any bottles, any bones?  Any and all ideas welcome from
veterans of the segment wars.  Thanks!

-- 
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Washington Department of Fisheries           *I brake for salmonids* 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: Eric@CCCC.CC.Colorado.Edu (Eric Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: A challenge - raise my confidence in Pr1me
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:16:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.9208142023.AA08750
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Organization: Colorado College, Colorado Springs Colorado

urbans%lmv.lm.se@Princeton.EDU (Urban Sundstrom) writes:
I am managing a couple of cisco routers at our site. I do continously
read the newsgroup comp.dcom.sys.cisco
>I recommend Prime staff to follow that list for a while and study
>the way cisco staff replys to questions and problem reports from
>people on that list. If cisco staff find a question that looks
>like a bug or something that is wrong, they reply to the message and
>give it a working number, AND DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT THE
>QUESTION SHOULD GO "THROUGH THE USUAL ESTABLISHED CHANNELS".

Urban, I think you're being a little unfair here.  Prime employees
subscribe to this list on the same basis we users do -- out of interest.
They've proved helpful on many issues that have come up on the list
over time.  It seems most reasonable to me that they should ask that
bug reports be submitted via the "usual channels".

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: sphere@netcom.com (Sam Goldberger)
Subject: Spherical's Summer Blow-Out Sale!!!
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 08:15:24 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: HD,Cube,OD,MOD,SCSI

Following RightBrain's lead, Spherical Solutions is having
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******Special Package Price: $4500, with 90 day
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check.

Contact: Sam Goldberger, Spherical Solutions
	 sphere@netcom.com 415-383-7512


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: timm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren)
Subject: Re: SoftPC for sale - for the *NeXT*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:27:15 GMT

kls30@cd.amdahl.com (Kent L. Shephard) writes:

[Soft PC for sale]
>I'd like $175 since I paid ~$300. 

I'll sell mine for $150.  Same version (sorry Kent, all's fair in
love and price wars :o).


-- 
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From: makarewy@rft31.nas.nasa.gov (Alex Makarewycz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Subject: Next Stations 20/400 for sale $4000  w/Improv&Mathematica
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:56:05 GMT
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

I have the following system for sale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Software ----------------
	Mathematica 2.0.4
	Lotus Improv
	System 2.1 extended
-------------------------

Hardware -----------------------------------
Next Station 20MB ram/105MB internal harddisk                                                     
330MB external harddisk                                                                                                 
--------------------------------------------


* My monitor is brand new.
* old or new keyboard available

Looking for $4000

I can deliver within 100 miles of the bay area

Alex-
415-348-6920
makarewy@rft31.nas.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Subject: Re: Athena Design Announces Mesa Educational Pricing
Reply-To: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:29:49 GMT

In article <59739@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes:
=>In article <1992Aug18.024359.2663@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com  
(Jim De Arras) writes:
=>> As if putting x's where the numbers used to be MAGICALLY transforms the  
posting
=>> from commercial to non-commercial.  Pardon me while I laugh!
=>
=>Especially in the moderated group - where the hype level can be restrained.
=>Allow prices - they are an important part of the message.
=>
=>If people are so upset about seeing prices then maybe
=>they should be rot-13 (1/2 :)
=>
=>or could follow at the end after ^L
=>
=>I know this doesnt really solve the dilemna,
=>but there has to be a reasonable policy that 
=>would allow new product announcements to carry 
=>price info in csn.announce
=>

As this has been quoted before:

 7. Usenet is not an advertising medium.

    Because of Usenet's roots in academia, and because Usenet depends
    so heavily on cooperation (sometimes among competitors), custom
    dictates that advertising be kept to a minimum.  It is tolerated
    if it is infrequent, informative, and low-hype.

    The "comp.newprod" newsgroup is NOT an exception to this rule:
    product announcements are screened by a moderator in an attempt to
    keep the hype-to-information ratio in check.

    If you must engage in flackery for your company, use the "biz"
    hierarchy, which is explicitly "advertising-allowed", and which
    (like all of Usenet) is carried only by those sites that want it.

If we allow pricing information (commerce) to be posted along with product  
announcements (information), competitors will eventually attempt to "undercut"  
each other by announcing their products at a lower price.

This will degenerate into a commercial advertising medium and since many  
non-commercial entities suffer much of the costs of Usenet (in resources), it  
is only fitting to restrict the commercial intent of announcements..

Want to know the price??? Call, or send email...

=>---------------------------------------------------
=>Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu   NeXT mail accepted

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace
From: lemson@fnbc.com (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: Why are ED disks so expansive?
Reply-To: lemson@fnbc.com
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:56:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.212114.20322@cs.ucla.edu> andylee@oahu.cs.ucla.edu  
(Andy Lee) writes:
> Can someone please explain why ED disks cost almost 4 times more than
> HD disks (NeXTConnection) when they only offer twice the storage (2.88  
MB 
> vs. 1.44 MB)?  Do the ED's last longer, have faster access time?
> 
How about: there is a MUCH smaller market for ED's than HD's.  Also, there  
are very few suppliers (Toshiba, does anyone else make them?  Maybe  
Sony?).  With so little demand, prices haven't really started to come down  
for them yet. 
The fact that IBM is putting 2.88 MB floppies in their newest higher-end  
PS/2 models means that they WILL come down, but probably not for a little  
while longer.  (at least not until the clone makers start using them en  
masse, since that's where a lot of the PC market is nowadays)
I'm no economist, but I think that until there are 10 companies making 
ED's in massive quantities (maybe there already are), the price will stay  
at its relatively high level.  People will keep saying "Well, I can just  
get HD's and it's a lot more cost effective".
--
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From: robg@wsinti03.info.win.tue.nl (Rob Gerth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.marketplace,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: MacAdam price info wanted on NeXT line
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:34:58 GMT
Reply-To: robg@info.win.tue.nl
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.marketplace
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

Hi,
A few days ago somebody posted a price list of MacAdam in San Francisco.
I accidentally deleted that message. Can somebody send it to me?

As a matter of fact, price info of other dealers is wellcome as well.
Thanks,
Rob
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