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From: niklas@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Niklas Aagren Royal Inst. of Technology)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Dave Holland
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:45:04 GMT
Reply-To: niklas@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

>In article <1992Apr10.185910.11841@nic.unh.edu> tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb) writes:

>>   Can anybody recommend some good albums with Dave Holland on bass (excluding
>>anything recorded under his own name)? Being a bass player myself, I've
>>developed a great respect for his playing, and would greatly appreciate any
>>suggestions of recordings featuring his incredible work. 
>
>"Question and Answer" by Pat Metheny (with DH and Roy Haynes).
>
>-- 
>Bruce B. Tesar                    Internet:  tesar@cs.colorado.edu

Indeed!
I'm inclined to agree with Bruce. Last year I went to a concert of 
the "Question and Answer" tour. It is certainly something for 
all the Metheny  freaks (with their own mailing list and all) as well
since PM does great straight jazz too.

Niklas Agren (Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm)
Internet: niklas@link.physchem.kth.se
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From: tag@ptnext.claremont.edu (Taylor Gilbert)
Subject: L.A. jazz history info NEEDED!
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:55:23 GMT


	I am working on a paper on the history of L.A. Jazz scene
and the key musicians that were a part of it.  
	I am looking for texts that talk about the racism of the Los Angleles  
police department, I have heard that during the 50's that they had a 
policy of stopping all African-Americans headed west to Santa Monica or Venice
in an attempt limit their exposure and keep them downtown.  
	Also there are accounts of police standing outside of jazz clubs
and trying to pursuade patrons, white patrons, to not go into the clubs.
	i am reading Charles Mingus' autobiography and am trying to locate
some of the texts in the bibliography of Mike davis' _City of Quartz_ he writes  
briefly on the subject pgs 62-64 and notes 111-116.  
	The texts that I can find as yet on the subject talk abou L.A. jazz  
artists leaving to go to new york, but they dont give much reasons why.  It is  
asumed that the New York jazz scene was just the naturtal place to go,  but  
there are other reasons for why they left.  Ornette Coleman is a prime example

	anyway if anyone can give me any leads on personal accounts or anything  
that could help me get data on the history of the L.A. Jazz scence from 1940's  
to the 1960's  It would be appereciated.

				thanks
					tag
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From: hhs@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Sweetleaf)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Naked City at the Marquee (NYC) 4/9/92
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:51:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.bluenote
Organization: AT&T


Naked City played their annual NYC show at the Marquee last night.
Absolutely incredible.  They played for 2 hrs. 45 min., opening
with a 30 min. piece which I had never heard before.  In fact,
most of what they played was brand new - Zorn said they had just
been in the studio the last two weeks where they recorded two
new albums (one full length, one EP).  Apparently they'll be 
released on a Japanese label, and will be available in the US
only as imports.  Zorn went on a tirade about the fact that he
can't get his album covers released in the US, and then said
that the two new albums will be their last - they're breaking
up at the end of the year. :-( :-(  They'll play four nights
at the Knitting Factory in December and that'll be the end. 

Everyone in the band was in very good spirits, though, including
Frith, who was eating brownies in between tunes. :-)  Oh yeah,
the entire show was filmed for broadcast on Japanese television.
There were at least three cameras going.  Eye was there for vocal
duties, as well as another person on a few pieces - anyone know who
this was?  He was American, with long brown hair.

It seems that John Lurie was in the audience last night - Zorn 
made a couple of references to him during the show, including a
dedication before Sac of Shit.  He said "This next tune is
dedicated to John Lurie's scrotum."  :-)

Howard Sweet
 
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************* Sweetleaf *************
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From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.Com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Re: Jazz Events in New York June/July
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:11:22


> sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz) writes:

   Anyone know if/when there'll be another 
   Knit Fac Fest?  Any other notable jazz 
   events coming up in June/July?  

There is a schedule of JVC events going around which maybe Bill Hery
or Marc can post. There's a Coltrane tribute (featuring a McCoy Tyner
grp and Elvin Jones' grp), a Murray quartet I think and a double bill
of the LMO w/ a group including Sam Rivers, Chico Freeman, Arthur
Blythe. There is the free bash at Damrosch Park also.

Sadly, there is no news of a Knit Fact goes uptown fest. There is
fest at the KF end of this month but I'm sure there'll be something
in June too. The May-June schedule should be out in a week to 10 days
and I'll post it then.

/sandeep
--
smehta@nynexst.com
--
"An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs."
	-- Edgard Varese
From: jimh@ism.isc.com (jim hori)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: L.A. jazz history info NEEDED!
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:42:15 GMT
Distribution: world, rec, usa
Organization: SunSoft Inc., Los Angeles, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigboy.west.sun.com

In article <1992Apr6.205523.20396@muddcs.claremont.edu> tag@ptnext.claremont.edu (Taylor Gilbert) writes:
>	I am working on a paper on the history of L.A. Jazz scene
>and the key musicians that were a part of it.  
>	anyway if anyone can give me any leads on personal accounts or anything  
>that could help me get data on the history of the L.A. Jazz scence from 1940's  
>to the 1960's  It would be appereciated.

One person who seems to know about this period is a DJ named Will Thornberry.
At one time he and I and some others were brainstorming cultural projects we
were interested in producing and he mentioned the lack of knowledge in the
general community about LA's jazz heritage. His proposal was a re-creation
over a weekend of the Central Avenue scene.

If you are in Southern California, I think Will can be reached through the
jazz/blues public radio station KLON. Unfortunately, I've lost touch with
him, and more unfortunately, I know he is ill, but if he is able to help,
I'm sure he would be happy to provide you with information.



....
jimh@west.sun.com
From: mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Gonzalo Rubalcaba (was Re: Giant Steps)
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:35:46 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Elect. & Comp. Engineering, U of Manitoba

joey@berkeley.edu (Joe Hellerstein) writes:
>Haden said that he first heard Rubalcaba while on tour in Cuba, and he
>was taken not only with Rubalcaba's technique, but with the maturity
>of his conception at such a young age.  However, the US and Cuban
>governments still won't make friends, so Haden is unable to bring
>Rubalcaba to the US.  Therefore he invited him to that Montreux
>festival (which was recorded), just to get the opportunity to play
>with him.

As Marcel noted Mon, 24 Feb 1992:
>Charlie Haden introduced this Cuban pianist to the world at the 1989
>Montreal festival (AFTER I'd left, naturally). 

That Montreal concert was recorded and broadcast on CBC national radio
here.   He was with Haden and Paul Motian.  I became a fan instantly.

Incidently, THE BLESSING album was recorded in Toronto.
--
                                   * * *
Gord McGonigal                                  mcgonig@eeserv.ee.UManitoba.ca
Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, CANADA (R3T 2N2)       phone: (204) 474-6295
From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Martin Williams passes
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:41:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Martin Williams, one of jazz's most respected critics, died this
weekend at the age of 67.  According to the NY Times, he died of
complications from the flu after a long bout with cancer.  He had
most recently been an editor at the Smithsonian Institution, after
having retired as director of its Jazz and American Culture
program.

His writing is probably familiar to many readers of this group;
a particular distinction is that he, along with Nat Hentoff,
recognized and defended many of the avant-garde jazz movements
beginning in the late 50s, at a time when innovators such as
Ornette Coleman were attacked by much of the jazz press.

Ben Weiner
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From: tesar@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Bruce Tesar)
Subject: Re: Dave Holland
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:51:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.185910.11841@nic.unh.edu> tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb) writes:
>   Can anybody recommend some good albums with Dave Holland on bass (excluding
>anything recorded under his own name)? Being a bass player myself, I've
>developed a great respect for his playing, and would greatly appreciate any
>suggestions of recordings featuring his incredible work. 
>-- 
>:::::::::::        ::::         ::::::   
> <<<<<<<<<<<      >>>>   >>>   >>>>>>    Tim Webb   tcw@kepler.unh.edu
>     ????        ????  ?????  ?????    _________________________________
>      ((((      (((( ((((((( (((((   
>       ####    ########  #######       "The challenge is to chase the sound
>        ||||  |||||||    ||||||      just to break away"   ---YES 
>

"Question and Answer" by Pat Metheny (with DH and Roy Haynes).

-- 
Bruce B. Tesar                    Internet:  tesar@cs.colorado.edu
Computer Science Department
University of Colorado at Boulder 
Boulder, CO  USA  80309-0430
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From: elliott@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Elliott New)
Subject: Re: New CD from Ronnie Earl..?
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 12:52:09 GMT

In article <morteng.32@loke.dhhalden.no> morteng@loke.dhhalden.no (MORTEN GRAESBY) writes:
>I've heard that Ronnie Earl has released a new album.
>Could anyone confirm this?
>The rumuors also says that vocalist/harp Sugar Ray is 
>joining Earl again..

Yes the album is called _Surrounded_by_Love_ (or something very close).
It has Robert Jr. Lockwood on a couple of cuts, and yes, Sugar Ray
on vocals on several.   Super CD, I think.  Some mellower slow tunes
that show Ronnie's jazzier side.

If you like Ronnie Earl, check out Dave Spector w/Barkin' Bill Smith 
_Bluebird_Blues_ on the Delmark label.  Ronnie Earl plays all over
that thing, and Dave Spector's guitar playing is very similar.
GREAT BLUES Record/CD!  Also, Ronnie played on William Clarke's
_Tip_of_the_Top_ record (not on CD) on the Rivera label, I think.
Ronnie plays some great stuff on that record, but my favorite on that
record is the guitar work of Jr. Watson!  If you dig Ronnie, you'll
love Watson!  (Hell, check out the new Mike Morgan on Black Top...
he's a great player, similar in some respects to Ronnie Earle.)

Later,
Elliott New
From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Sun Ra news
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:03:20 GMT

Is this weird, or what?  I hold here in my hot little hands a flier
for shows on 3 consecutive nights at a little bar in Tuscaloosa,
called the Chukker, featuring none other than Sun Ra and His Intergalactic
Arkestra.  The shows (on Wed.-Fri., April 15-17) are entitled, respectively,
"Homage to Duke Ellington and Fletcher Henderson", "Homage to The Flowers
and Trees", and "From Saturn to Alabama, Travel in Outer Space".  This is
gonna be a brutal road trip, since I'll be driving to Atlanta to catch
Little Village on Saturday, but I'll have to make the 3 hour trip on
Friday night.  The things we do for love!

Larry Owen
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Karen Mantler
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:01:08 GMT
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.

hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
>It all sounds horribly cutesy and more than a bit silly for me. But
>I love it :-). Recommended.

I'd have to agree. There's some definite hints of Carla in Karen's music.
Karen is much more vocal oriented and works almost too hard at being funny.

 - malcolm
From: gwl%wave3_1@MCNC.ORG (Glenn Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: AEC Stuff
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:42:47 GMT
Reply-To: gwl%wave3_1@mcnc.org

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From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Chick-Round II
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:03:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: csrd.1992Apr7.230328.6408
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development

ebaddour@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>Most of the album resembles (but isn't, so don't flame me) 
>free form jazz.  Now, I don't care whose toes I step on when I say 
>that free form is the most HORRIBLE thing I've ever heard...beats anybody 
>with a lobotomy playing anything, anywhere, anytime (point taken?good).

1) Good free jazz is not random. Far from it.

2) When hearing such blanket condemnations of non-chord-based jazz, I'm often 
   tempted to wonder if the originators have had lobotomies themselves.

>  Now, with all this endless drivel, 
		      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, we agree on *something*.

Bill
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From: herbsman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Tal Herbsman)
Subject: Re: Arthur Blythe recommendations
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:05:15 GMT


>Other places to look for Blythe as a sideman are the LEADERS albums
>(which don't live up to the promise of the personnel, either IMHO),
>and the first Jack DeJohnette Special Edition album, including
>both David Murray and Blythe.

you can also find blythe and DM on m. tyner's _44th St. Suite_ from
last year (on theile's red barron label). it's ok, though fairly subdued.

tal.



From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:34:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Chick-Round II
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote

In rec.music.bluenote, jaz@icd.ab.com (Jack A. Zucker) writes:

> Well, there is an old adage..."People like what they know." Have you
> ever noticed that people are always coming up to you (if you play
> in a group) and requesting stuff? It's because they like what they
> know. Instead of letting an artist paint a picture of whatever mode
> strikes them at the moment, people are always trying to impress the
> musicians (and their own Yuppie MBA friends in silk suits) by requesting
> old "tired" material.

I recently read an article about <some-singer-I-think> who complained of this,
saying, "I'll bet no one went up to Van Gogh and asked him to paint _Starry
Night' again".  Was that here, or perhaps in the newspaper, that I saw this?

Meanwhile, Hugh forces me to play Satin Doll every week..

> Forgive me if I misquote the source but I
> believe Duke Ellington stated that there are only 2 kinds of music,
> Good and Bad.

That's the right source, but I've never agreed with it.  I would say there are
two kinds of music for any given person: the kind he likes, and the kind he
doesn't.  "Good" and "Bad" are too absolute.

Now, back to the subject (you still there, Nat?) - I don't really remember what
"Song Of Singing" sounds like.  Chick certainly had moments are "free form" as
anyone (mostly with "Circle"), but I thought "Song Of Singing" was a straight
ahead Blue Note album.  I guess I should check it out again.

"Now He Sings, Now He Sobs" is often considered Chick's greatest work in a more
or less mainstream vein - although it is not so simplistic as the Akoustic Band
stuff - be prepared to be challenged at least a little.  Before we get too much
further, it would be interesting to hear your opinion of this album, which is
probably a common reference point for most of us.

The album "Tones For Joan's Bones" (mostly released in chunks as "Inner Space"
and ???) is a somewhat more restrained affair with more traditional forms.
I've heard "Just Friends" is similar although I haven't heard it myself.
The various "Trio Music" recordings are varied - there is some Akoustic Band
style mainstreamism, but also some avant-classical almost "Circle-esque" bits.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Sabatella      "Blondes and jazz seldom go together" - Cmdr. William Riker
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: bst@wang.com (Bruce Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Rahsaan Roland Kirk
Summary: CD version of 3-sided Dream
Keywords: Audio Dream
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:27:48 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

I recently purchased the CD version of "The Case of the 3-Sided Dream in
Audio Color".  The last cut is called "Telephone Conversation".  After 3
minutes of _dead air_, I gave up on the cut.  Can anyone tell me if there
is supposed to be anything on that cut?  If not, why the heck did Atlantic
Records do that?  It's an irritation, especially when you've got to wait 
12:00 minutes for the next CD to start playing (I suppose I could go ahead
and change it manually, but when you are n rooms away, and in the middle
of doing stuff...well, you get the picture).  Other than that, I love it.

By the way, Kirk's solo on C Jam Blues on the "Mingus at Carnegie Hall"
album ranks up there (IMHO) with Paul Gonsalves' on "Ellington at Newport."

-- Bruce
-- 
Bruce S. Tannenbaum (RADAR) <bst@wang.com>
VoiceCom Systems Inc., San Francisco, CA and Tewksbury, MA.
"I have a cunning plan!"
From: pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu (Patrick Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: What in the hell?
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:57:43 GMT

Jeff Beer writes
> I was doing a search on the mail-order-by-modem CD place, and when I
> searched Ornette Coleman, in addition to coming up with the usual   
> suspects, there were these three listings that I never heard of:
> 
>  CAP71320   COLEMAN*ORNETTE                BIG CIRCUMSTANCE
>  EAS1       COLEMAN*ORNETTE                HUMANS
>  CAP71308   COLEMAN*ORNETTE                TROUBLE W/NORMA

Ha!  These are titles of albums by Bruce Cockburn.  The last one you
listed, by the way, should be "The Trouble With Normal" (not Norma).
Somebody screwed up, that's all.

-Patrick
 pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu
From: gmayhew@falcon.lerc.nasa.gov (George Mayhew)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Chicago Blues Festival dates?
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:59:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

In article <1992Apr6.141731.27687@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> gmayhew@falcon.lerc.nasa.gov (George Mayhew) writes:
>I posted this once before, with no response.  I'll try again.
>
>What are the dates of the Chicago Blues Festival this year?
>
Never mind.  I called the Chicago Mayor's Office of Special Events.

The dates are June 5 - 7.  

george


--
George Mayhew                     gmayhew@falcon.lerc.nasa.gov
Sverdrup Technology, Inc.         (216) 891-2943
From: sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Chick-Round II
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:38:35 GMT
Reply-To: sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <1992Apr7.230328.6408@csrd.uiuc.edu>, William Tsun-Yuk Hsu writes:
ebaddour@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>that free form is the most HORRIBLE thing I've ever heard...beats anybody 
>with a lobotomy playing anything, anywhere, anytime (point taken?good).
1) Good free jazz is not random. Far from it.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Do yourself a favor, ebaddour,  learn to enjoy a broad range of music.
Ebaddour/NAT is just saying `look, I haven't taken the
time to understand something new' or `look how inexperienced
I am with jazz'.    

It's common and rewarding to start with commercial Chick Corea 
move on to some of his wilder stuff, and learn to at least understand
free jazz from there.  It's just stupid to be satisfied with ignorance.

Why ridicule others who understand or enjoy something you find 
new and challenging?  Fear of new things is nothing to be proud of.
=-s
From: gwl%wave3_1@MCNC.ORG (Glenn Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Coltrane CD reissue questions
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:59:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: wavetrac.9204131359.AA06153
Reply-To: gwl%wave3_1@mcnc.org

>>>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 92 19:57:34 GMT, wave3_3!WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM!fdm (Frank D. Malczewski) said:

  Frank> What's put a damper on this (besides a small budget deficit :-) is the
  Frank> fact that the MCA/Impulse issues have been pretty mediocre in terms of
  Frank> sound, and there are only so many GRP/Impulse items available.  Have
  Frank> I by any chance missed any excellent sounding MCA/Impulse releases?
  Frank> (I just listened to my recently-obtained P. Sanders' "Karma" and the
  Frank> sound was just as mediocre there).

You didn't tell us which ones you got, so it's hard to say what you've
missed :-) As far as Trane goes, the only ones released domestically
since MCA handed the reissue project to grp and Michael Cuscuna are:
"Live in Japan", "Interstellar Space", "Gentle Side of JC", "New Thing
at Newport", and "Major Works" (Om, Ascension, Kulu Se Mama,
Selflessness).  That's _domestically_.  I believe the Japanese
Impulses that have shown up recently at Tower ("Expression", "Live at
Village Vanguard Again" and the night-by-night "Village Vanguard"
discs) are post-Cuscuna -- the grp logo is on the package and they are
copyrighted grp.  They're expensive and I bet they'll show up
domestically once MCA has reaped some obscene profits on domestic
sales of the imports.  Call me paranoid, but it's happened many times
before.

  Frank> Maybe Mosaic could do "The Complete Altantic Recording
  Frank> of John Coltrane" (wishful thinking...).

Rhino Records and Atlantic recently signed an agreement -- Rhino will be
handling the reissues of Atlantic R&B and Jazz recordings.  This is good
news, I think.  

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Glenn Lea - reply to gwl@wavetracer.com
Wavetracer, Inc.
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