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From: rude@RELAY.METAPHOR.COM (Richard V. Rude.)
Subject: Re: open dialogue box
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:09:51 GMT


> 
> The resource controlling this font (and the other contents of other dialogoues)
> is (here is the default from $FMHOME/.fminit2.0/xresources/Maker):
> 
> Maker*XmDialogShell*fontList: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--12-*-iso8859-1
> 
> You can change it to a larger font, but then all of your dialogues will use
> the larger font, and the space for buttons and what not is allocated with
> the 12 point font in mind and 14 point font tends to be a bit too bulky for
> the wee buttons. You have been warned.
> 
> The resource defining the font for the scroll list is:
> 
> Maker*XmDialogShell*XmList*fontlist: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--10-*-iso8859-1
> 
> > 	make the box larger
> > 	assign the position of the box
> 
> It seems the open dialogue window's class is doc_open, but I was unable to
> change its' appearance.
> 
> Ah, well... I never said I could do it all... :)

Unless I'm mistaken, the problem only gets compounded when you use a
larger font.  When I phoned Frame Technical Support about what I
thought was a bug, I was told that because I was using a larger font,
and the size of the window was fixed, some information in windows was
pushed down below the edge of the window or hidden behind graphical
elements.  In essence, this situation made it difficult if not
impossible to do such things as reconcile cross-references and other
window-driven operations.

Unless you learn (and share?) how to change the size of the windows,
I'd suggest not changing the size of the font.

-Dick
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mike_sierra@MACMAILGATE.ORA.COM (Mike Sierra")
Subject: troff filter
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:39:11 GMT

REGARDING                troff filter

Does anyone have much experience with the troff-to-Frame import filter supplied
in Frame's FilterPak?  Specifically, I'd like to know if it is configurable to
include customized macros.  We tried using an awk script, but had little
success getting it to work, due in part to the lack of closing statements in
troff.


     Mike Sierra
     O'Reilly & Associates
     90 Sherman St.
     Cambridge, MA  02140
     (617) 354-5800
     mike@ora.com
From: gt1156b@prism.gatech.EDU (DOMINGUEZ,FELIX)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Adding TeX fonts to Framemaker
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:51:48 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

> I need to able to add the TeX symbol \ominus to the special
> character set on Framemaker. There is a mechanism for
> adding Afm files to Framemaker, but how about TeX fonts ?
> 
> This is the only thing that we need to do that TeX can
> do and Framemaker can't ! I would appreciate any help
> you could give me in this regard.

I have the same question. Please post any suggestions or email
them to me too.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: rtor@ansa.co.UK (Owen Rees)
Subject: Re: TOC limitation
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:41:26 GMT


Mike Sierra <mike_sierra@macmailgate.ora.com> writes:
> Given two separate paragraphs in a source file, "ChapterLabel" and
> "ChapterTitle":
> 
>      CHAPTER 11
> 
>      Viewing Files
> 
> I cannot automatically produce a single line of TOC output, as in:
> 
>      CHAPTER 11:  Viewing Files..........................823
> 
> You should be able to use syntax such as <$paranum[ChapterLabel]> when
> programming the TOC flow, to extract information from a previous paragraph, as
> you can in X-refs and running headers.  

Another thing you can't do to get this effect is to use \r in an
autonumber field. I wanted to be able to convert easily between two
styles:

   Chapter 2

   Interaction Model

and 

   2	Interaction Model

I thought that all I needed to do was to use two autonumber formats
with \r in the first one so that I could switch styles with a simple
Use Formats - no such luck! In fact the text of the paragraph just
vanished. It wasn't deleted because it came back when I took out the
\r. I have tried many variations on this theme involving tabs and
characters after which line breaks are permitted but it seems that it
just won't put a line break in the autonumber generated text or
immediately after it. There has to be something between the end of the
autonumber field and the line break.

I never pursued this problem because I still won't be able to do what
I want until <$paranumonly> works in the TOC flow. (This is a `Known
Problem'.)

We are currently using an autonumber in the ChapterTitleTOC format to
get the effect we want. This works provided that everybody sticks to
the rules and all documents start with chapter 1. It could all go out
of synchronisation but that would show up in the TOC since section
numbering is done in the conventional way.

Owen.

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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: bob@rockbox.UUCP (Robert J. Rockefeller)
Subject: Please drop me
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:50:52 GMT

Framers,

Please drop me from the mailing list.

Thanks,

---
Bob Rockefeller
President
Coastal Empire NeXT Users Group (CeNUG)
rockbox!bob@pirates.armstrong.edu (NeXTMail preferred!)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mark@TELESYS.NCSC.NAVY.MIL (Williams)
Subject: COREL DRAW AS AN INSET EDITOR
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:32:04 GMT

Has anyone gotten CorelDraw to work as an inset editor with FrameMaker 3.0?
Please contact me, if so.  I've built a working (apparently) inseteditors
file in .fminit2.0 and when I select Special/Inset, I get asked if I want
to start CorelDraw... if I say yes, the program starts but when I try to
save a file, I get a conventional filesave panel from CorelDraw and nothing
links up to the Maker document (as far as I can tell... nothing is visible
and nothing prints).  Anyone run into a similar situation?

Mark L. Williams
Code N025
Naval Surface Warfare Center
Coastal Systems Station
Panama City, FL 32407-5000
(904)235-5153
(mark@telesys.ncsc.navy.mil)
From: jaisimha@milton.u.washington.edu (M. Y. Jaisimha)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Adding TeX fonts to Framemaker
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:01:14 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


I need to able to add the TeX symbol \ominus to the special
character set on Framemaker. There is a mechanism for
adding Afm files to Framemaker, but how about TeX fonts ?

This is the only thing that we need to do that TeX can
do and Framemaker can't ! I would appreciate any help
you could give me in this regard.

Thanks,

Jaisimha
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: rwl@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ray Lubinsky)
Subject: Re: troff filter
Reply-To: rwl@server.cs.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Distribution: inet
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:02:10 GMT

In article <9204142041.AA11852@relay1.UU.NET>, mike_sierra@MACMAILGATE.ORA.COM (Mike Sierra") writes:
> REGARDING                troff filter
> 
> Does anyone have much experience with the troff-to-Frame import filter supplied
> in Frame's FilterPak?  Specifically, I'd like to know if it is configurable to
> include customized macros.  We tried using an awk script, but had little
> success getting it to work, due in part to the lack of closing statements in
> troff.


My experience with FilterPak v2.0 is that the troff filter is pretty
worthless for all but the most trivial -ms, -me, and -man documents.

It only handles basic troff commands and the macros provided by the
aforementioned macro packages.  No user-defined macros.  No support for
any filters (eqn, pic, grap, tbl, refer, etc.).  No support for ditroff
extensions (especially the line drawing commands).


Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: kcr@deneb.mlb.semi.harris.com (Keighley Ross)
Subject: Re: How can one align verticle equations by "="
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:04:50 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL
Keywords: Align, equations

In article <1992Apr14.172317@IASTATE.EDU> chili@IASTATE.EDU (Matthew S Carney) writes:
>Dear Netters,
>	I am using Frame 3.0 on a Mac II ci. My question is: Is there any way to
>automatically align equations on the "=" ? When I choose "Verticle List" ...
>			- Matt.

I've never used FrameMath, but in normal paragraphs you can use a
decimal tab before the equation, and set the Decimal Char to "=".
Strange, but true.

-------------------------------------- Keighley Ross ----------------
HH _  HH    kcr@mlb.semi.harris.com    Design Systems Development
H_/ |_HH      Opinions expressed       Harris Semiconductor
HH    HH      are solely my own.       Melbourne, Florida,
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: kate@medtronic.COM (Kate Seastone)
Subject: Need suggestions for multiuser file access
Keywords: multiuser
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
Distribution: inet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:13:15 GMT

Howdy!

I have now completed the presentation of the Frame training
course to the majority of the engineers at our facility, and
it has been requested that the department's weekly be
completed in Frame as quickly and easily as possible by our
secretary (Yes she is a star pupil!)

The deal is, each engineer (Approx. 70) enters their own
report and gives it to their supervisor and then marks up a
copy for the secretary indicating what parts should be
included in the departmental weekly report.
She then consolidates them all into one master report each
week (What a way to spend your Mondays eh??)

Conclusion:  What is the quickest/easiest method that you can
	think of so that the departmental secretary gets a Frame
	departmental weekly "automatically" from the users?

	Note: Each engineer needs to ONLY enter their weekly report
		   once.
		   The secretary should have as little editing to do
		   as possible.
		   The engineers are concurrently entering their reports
		   each week.

We are operating Frame 3.0 on the Sun Sparc and Apollo DN
machines.

THANKS for the suggestions!


-- 
Kate Seastone			software engineer
Medtronic/Micro-Rel		"Toward Man's Full Life"
kate@urel.medtronic.com	(602) 929-5344
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: rtor@ansa.co.UK (Owen Rees)
Subject: Re: Object-oriented design and FrameMaker
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:31:32 GMT


axs@fat-controller.cs.bham.ac.uk (Aaron Sloman) writes:
> If you have the power of a flexible OOP-type inheritance scheme
> ...
> 
> I.e. with inheritance you get the best of both worlds. If you don't have
> a proper inheritance mechanism you get only the best of one world. Hence
> having inheritance is very much better!

The work that was done on inheritance for knowledge representation in
AI is much more relevant to the problem of organising paragraph
formats than the work that has been done on object oriented
programming.

Having a user-defined hierarchy of formats would sometimes be useful
but not at the expense of dragging in all the dogma of OOP. The things
which would be most useful are the areas in which OOP is weakest -
multiple inheritance with exceptions based on well defined semantics
such as inferential distance ordering. The issue is also one of
inheriting property values rather than invokable methods.

On the whole I would say that inheritance in paragraph formats would
be useful but not useful enough to be high on my list of priorities.

Owen.

     /\/\	Owen Rees <rtor@ansa.co.uk>
    / /  \	APM, Poseidon House
   / / /\ \	Castle Park, Cambridge
  / / /\ \ \	CB3 0RD, UK
 / /_/__\ \ \	Phone:	+ 44 223 323010
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: mark@drd.com (resident.alien)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Word for Windows
Organization: DRD Corporation
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:11:14 GMT

In article <SCHULTZ.92Apr3164010@halley.est.3m.com> schultz@halley.est.3m.com (John C. Schultz) writes:
>I am trying to read a Microsoft Word for Windows V 1.1 file into
>FrameMaker. I have the word2mif converter but it seems to expect some
>kind of Word 4.0 format which is not Word for Windows (raw format at
>least). 
>
>Suggestions?
>
>I would think about BUYING the Blueberry software if that worked and I
>could find a phone number for them. 

Blueberry's number is 707-829-5443.
-- 
mark.lawrence@drd.com                                     (918)743-3013
DRD Corp., 5506 South Lewis Ave., Tulsa, OK 74105         (918)745-9037 fax
From: jmorley@VERITY.VERITY.COM (Janice Morley    415-960-7644)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re:  Sorting Frame Tables
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:05:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: chopin.9204160205.AA03381
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

*> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 16:33:37 EDT
*> From: davek@atc.ll.mit.edu (Dave Kassay x4048 g41)
*> To: framers@engrg.uwo.ca
*> Subject: Sorting Frame Tables
*> 
*> Is there any way in Frame to sort lists or columns or rows in a Frame Table?
*>

Not at the moment :-(  Back in February, I posted a Frame 4.0
"wish list" of features I'd like to see, including this one; 
Brenda Feltham in Frame Technical Support (bgf@frame.com) 
responded to my mail, saying that this has been assigned 
enhancement request 38538.

Let's hope it makes the cut!  I, for one, would welcome the feature.

#Janice Morley
 Consultant for Verity, Inc.
 1550 Plymouth Street
 Mountain View, CA  94043
 email: jmorley@verity.com
From: hkarhune@hydra.Helsinki.FI (Heikki Karhunen)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: RPC message to unregister a licence
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:56:54 GMT
Organization: Department of Theoretical Physics, University of Helsinki,
	Finland

In article <1956@shuksan.boeing.com> sam2747@shuksan.boeing.com (Scott Moody) wrote:
> Does anyone know what RPC command could be sent to the framemaker licence server
> to unregister an aquired licence?
> 
> Basically if (heaven forbid) Frame crashes, it doesn't give up the license until the
> 1 hour time out. And I can't set that time to shorter than 1 hour.
> 

No need to wait it you are in a hurry. Just go and kill the license server
(umm... you'd do well to warn the other users first). The next user needing
a license wil automagically cause it to start itself. 

> Thanks.

You are welcome :)

> -- 
> Scott Moody   (206) 477-4295 
>      scott@shuksan.boeing.com
>      uunet!bcstec!shuksan!scott
/-----------------------------+-----------------------------------------\
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| Heikki.Karhunen@helsinki.fi | physicist -- at least in theory.        |
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: desmedt@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Philippe De Smedt)
Subject: test
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:27:43 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

this is a test

Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: davek@ATC.LL.MIT.EDU (Dave Kassay x4048 g41)
Subject: Sorting Frame Tables
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:33:37 GMT

Is there anyway in Frame to sort lists or columns or rows in a Frame Table?
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: rude@RELAY.METAPHOR.COM (Richard V. Rude.)
Subject: Macro incompatibilities between GUIs
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:49:43 GMT

Most of the technical publications group here at Metaphor are using
FrameMaker running under SunView.  We've worked under this GUI for
quite a long time, and most of us are very comfortable with it.

However, since SunView will go away in the future, I decided to "blaze"
the way to using OpenLook.  Since the true OpenLook implementation of
FrameMaker wasn't yet available, I've been using the X-Windows
version.

Without dwelling on the myriad small problems I found in getting
FrameMaker to behave somewhat consistently with the habits I had
acquired under SunView, one problem that caused a considerable amount
of work was the incompatibility of the keyboard macros across the
GUIs.

The window managers' methods of encoding key strokes between SunView
and OpenLook is strikingly different.  The majority of macros I had
created under SunView no longer worked.  And, since the encoding method
with the kbmacros file is more than a little cryptic, I had to
virtually recreate every macro from scratch.

When I commented on this fact to a sales person at Frame, I was told I
had run into this problem because I wasn't using the OpenLook version.
According to this person, my SunView macros would convert
correctly/appropriately under the forthcoming OpenLook version.

However, someone in their technical support group recently implied that
this was not so, which fact has me more than a little concerned.  It
just seems somewhat inconsistent for Frame Technology to sell a product
that is binary-compatible across different hardware platforms, but
incompatible between different GUIs on the same hardware platform.  It
appears as if no one within Frame is paying any attention to the fact
that a considerable installed base of customers need to migrate from
one GUI to the other occasionally, and it is more appropriate for
utilities to be provided that perform that migration.  After all,
converting keyboard macros from one encoding system to the other is a
task that computers are ideally suited for.

I'm still waiting for some closure on this issue from Frame, but in the
meantime I thought I'd share this issue with you, see if others have
had similar problems, and if anyone has found a more efficient way to
convert macros between GUIs.

-Dick
From: decouty@irisa.fr (Bertrand Decouty, AB112, [99 84] 73 46, Atelier)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Frame 3.0 and Transcript and Import of EPSF files
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:17:44 GMT
Reply-To: decouty@irisa.fr
Organization: IRISA-INRIA, Campus de Beaulieu, 35042 Rennes Cedex, FRANCE

Frame 3.0 PostScript output now conforms with Adobe Document
Structuring Convention, like stated in Release Notes.

That's to say you can add "%!PS-Adobe-2.0" line in  postscript_prologue
file if you have a not-too old ( post 2.0) version of Transcript and
automatically psrev will print your file in the correct order.

But if you import PostScript file, frame does not do anything on it,
except removing bitmap (display) portion. There is a case where import
file SHOULD be filtered before printing: it is when they include
"%%Page" comment. psrev gets confused with such comments and this leads
to PostScript error :

%%[ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: FMEPSF ]%%

because "FMEPSF restore" is executed BEFORE "/FMEPSF save def"
command.

So, if you import ps file, suppress any %%Page comment.

I have not yet tested import of file including %%BeginSetUp or
%%BeginProlog, which could confuse psrev.

I hope that future versions of Frame will filter these files (suppress
any comment) ...

PS: tested with xframe 3.0, TranScript 2.1

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From: artc@bacchus.epps.kodak.com (Art Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Configuration Management of Frame documents
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:44:19 GMT
Reply-To: artc@bacchus.atex.kodak.com
Organization: Atex Publishing Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr2.160120.10644@cs.hope.edu>, jipping@cs.hope.edu (Mike Jipping) writes:
|> gah@zoo.bt.co.uk (Geoff Hopson) writes:
|> > I am currently running Frame on a Sun, and need to be able to configuration 
|> > manage the various versions of documents that I produce. I know that I can 
|> > save a file in MIF format and sccs it, but is there any other (better?) way 
|> > of doing CM on Frame docs?
|> 
|> You might want to try RCS.  It's free and supports management of binary
|> files (you do need version 5.5 or later).
|> 

And you might also want to look at CMS... it's a database-type management
program for all kinds of documents. It's developed by a Frame VAR, and
it was their intention to support native format Frame, I think. I don't
know too much more about it, other than it was capable of tracking compontents
too (referenced graphics files, other stuff on Live Links, etc.

The developer is Workgroup Technology, 508-895-1500, outside Boston.

-- 
Art Campbell          artc@atex.kodak.com            72227.1375@compuserve.com
   DoD 358                                  _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels.
    "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent 
     and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
                      All the usual disclaimers apply.
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: Paul_Berry@NEXT.COM
Subject: Re: "No insertion point"
Organization: The Internet
Distribution: inet
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:07:30 GMT

Several people have complained about this message.
Alan Koch recently pointed out that knowing the location of the insertion  
point is essential to such things as searches. Inded it is.

But his remark overlooks the source of the problem: In many circumstances,  
deactivating a FrameMaker window (by going to another) causes FrameMaker to  
forget the first window's insertion point (and also its text selection, if  
any).

It would be helpful to store that information with a window that is merely  
deactivated (but not closed) so that it remains available when the window is  
reactivated.

Paul Berry, NeXT, 900 Chesapeake Dr, Redwood City, CA 94063
(415 780 4569)  
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: bobmcc@tiger.tcs.com (Bob McCormick)
Subject: Introducing the FAQ
Keywords: faq
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:40:00 GMT

I've written a first shot of a Frequently Asked Question list (FAQ)
for comp.text.frame & framers.   It will be posted right after this
message.

First, I'd like to thank all those who contributed directly or indirectly to this
effort.  I have saved various messages from the past, and some of these I
incorporated into the FAQ.  I included the name of the original author, but I did
not include the email address or phone number, in case they did not want to
receive additional queries.  If any of you that are so mentioned would like you
email address included in the next version, just let me know.

If you have suggestions for other items to include in the FAQ, send me the
question AND the answer.  I reserve the right to edit questions and to not
include questions.  (You can always cut off my salary :-)  Large items, such as
the filter list, will remain as separate documents.  I'd like to keep each entry
in the FAQ as short as possible.

Thanks to all who have made this a great newsgroup/mailing list by providing
all the answers!!


=-=-=-=-=-
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