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From: msr@kepler.unh.edu (Reno no BAKA)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: WANTED: STAR BLAZERS
Date: 14 Dec 1992 19:12:09 GMT
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In article <1ghq2kINN5lh@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
 *Mayday! Mayday!  
 
 *You can order them directly from Kidmark Inc for $14.95 a tape... or join the 
 *Fanclub and it is $13.45 a tape (plus S&H which isn't that bad...)

 *I have the first season... ANd i want the rest when I have money (hahahaha)
 
 *I can dig up the address if anyone wants it....

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*#Email megazone@wpi.wpi.edu  Moderator, WPI anime FTP site 130.215.24.1 /anime#
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AHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dig it up, please!!!!!!!!!!! If they are $14.95, why is 
Suncoast charging $19.95???? Good thing I haven't bought any yet!
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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: New Pink Panther series to appear this fall.
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:42:10 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1glss7INN48q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bw286@cleveland (Cleveland A. Hardin) writes:
>
>According to the Dec. 7 issue of Broadcasting magazine there will be
>a new series of Pink Panther cartoons to run in syndication in the
>fall of '93.

Sounds like a bean-counter decision to me.

>For the first time the PP will have a voice.

Yup.

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From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Saying from "Thunderbirds"
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:28:12 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs

In article <1992Dec15.173056.852@cid.aes.doe.CA> ynecgan@cid.aes.doe.CA (Greg Neill) writes:
>Hello,
>  I'm not certain that this is the appropriate forum for this question,
>but I here goes anyways.
>
>  The "Supermarionation" series "Thunderbirds" has recently begun
>airing in my viewing area.  The characters frequently use the term
>"F.A.B." (pronounced eff-eh-bee), when conducting dialog over their
>radios, and it usually comes as an acknowledgment to an accepted order
>or suggested course of action.  The question is, what does F.A.B. stand
>for?

Officially, nothing; Gerry Anderson always said that it was just a made-up
piece of jargon, a future equivalent of "Roger", and the initials were never
intended to stand for anything in particular.

Unofficially, on the other hand, the standard fan legend is that it stands
for "F*** All Bureaucrats", which I think everyone on the net will agree is
a laudable sentiment :-)


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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Why is animation for kids?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:11:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.202500.12684@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, klein@egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:
> In article <1992Dec10.184323.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ij59@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
> 
> >Why don't we have animated sitcoms, adventure, soap opera, whatever on
> >TV to any real extent at all?
> 
> Probably for the same reason we don't have such shows with puppets. 

And the reason is?
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From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BTAS: silly villians
Date: 14 Dec 92 06:22:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

In article <1992Dec14.022332.23839@b30.ingr.com> mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller ) writes:
>
>BTAS is an excellent series.  Stylish look, good to excellent plots
>( "Nothing to Fear", among others ), characterization not only of Batman, 
>but also the supporting cast ( Catwoman and Bullock, to name just two ).
>
>But the main strength is the believability.  Although Batman is a superhero,
>he is also a human being, and doesn't do anything a human couldn't do
>( no flying faster than light, being invisible, etc ).  I do admit
>that is does strain credulity that one person could do everything he does.
>The villians are, for the most part, believable humans too.
>
>BUT, some of the bad guys are utterly silly.  A werewolf??  Man-bat??
>Mr. Freeze??  The guy in Feat of Clay??  The first two violate, among other 
>things, the first law of thermodynamics.  Mr. Freeze:  earth biochemistry 
>can't function below the freezing point of water ( the organisms in the
>polar regions heat themselves up ).  
>
>I'm not even going to discuss Feat of Clay ( except to mention one good
>thing -- the bad guy escapes at the end, proving that Batman is only human ).
>
>If they would just get rid of this silliness, the series would be
>much better ( IMNSHO ).

It just shows that they've made the series just like the comic books.

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Subject: Anime tapes - where?
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:22:14 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs

Does anybody know where I can get hold of anime videos in PAL format?
Japanese animation is *very* hard to find here in New Zealand, and I'm
sick of having to sit here gnashing my teeth when I read posts from you
Yanks who can just walk into video shops and rent it :-(

(How hard to find? I've seen "Akira", the first 20 or so episodes of
"Robotech", and a few scattered episodes of "Voltron". That's it. To the
best of my knowledge, that's the grand total of anime available here.
Pathetic, isn't it?)

(Oh yes, and "Warriors of the Wind" or whatever it was called -- I gather
the original title was "Nausicaa".)

BTW, if there's an anime FAQ, could somebody mail me a copy please?


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:50:48 -0500 
From: "Kevin J. Chen" <kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Shallowness in TLM, BATB (Was Re: Cheap Animation)
	<1g5cufINNacj@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>
	<DAN.92Dec15143134@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu>

>It also fascinates me how Beauty and the Beast and Little Mermaid
>subtly emphasize small-mindedness while on the surface, condemning it.
>TLM in particular, struck me as very shallow, with its central
>character's fondest wish being to change her race in order to date
>some cute boy.  Yeah yeah, so she defied her father, so what?  What
>sort of message does this send to young girls?  And then in B&B - I
>really have to wonder, would Belle have gone for the Beast in his
>post-Beast form if he had turned out to look like say, Woody Allen?
>Lucky for her, he turned out to be even prettier than Gaston!
>Rescuers Down Under dealt with adult characters and more realistic
>romantic conflicts,  as well as the central environmental conflict.  

I'm in a rush to catch my plane home for the holidays, but I *had* to
reply to this one.

The Little Mermaid (and even Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin) are
about "true love" -- the love that is so grand that it transcends all
other things, including race or appearance.  It is *redeeming* to
Ariel's character that she forgoes her mermaid-ness to woo Eric; I
read the message as love transcending race, even though Triton
believes all humans to be blind fish-killers (a one-sided Romeo and
Juliet, if you will).  Granted, her reasons for falling in love were
shallow, but I think that's the fault of trying to stuff a full
romance into a 90-minute animated flick.  Belle fell in love with the
Beast even *before* she knew what he looked like -- obviously, she
wouldn't have cared if he had looked like Woody Allen, because
originally he looked like -- well, the Beast.  She loved him for what
he *was*, not what he looked like.  The fact that he turned out to be
handsome in the end is just the traditional Disney icing on the happy
ending cake.  If you happen to think this kind of romanticism is
silly, then so be it, but it is the heart and soul of -- well, at
least modern-day depictions -- classic fairy tales.

Kevin.

P.S.  Have respective nice holidays, all.
From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: WANTED: STAR BLAZERS
Date: 14 Dec 1992 11:10:12 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
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In article <1992Dec14.022622.25941@ncsu.edu> tpgemma@eos.ncsu.edu (TIMOTHY PETER GEMMA) writes:
>A friend of mine ordered a Japanimation catalog offering a large range of
>anime material.  They offer 39 StarBlazers tapes with 2 episodes a tape for
>$19.95 a tape.  I myself am ordering the first 2 tapes.  If you want, I'll ask

Mayday! Mayday!  

You can order them directly from Kidmark Inc for $14.95 a tape... or join the 
Fanclub and it is $13.45 a tape (plus S&H which isn't that bad...)

I have the first season... ANd i want the rest when I have money (hahahaha)

I can dig up the address if anyone wants it....

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From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Cheap Animation
Date: 12 Dec 92 02:26:59 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

In article <Bz2HF8.Irx@jrd.dec.com> doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi) writes:
># 
># I often wonder about this argument - that a "large" proportion of anime
># is aimed at an older audience... Hitoshi, can you shed light on this?
>
>I think the majority of anime is aimed at grade school kids.
>But since the anime that goes out of Japan is for older people,
>non-Japanese usually only see those anime.
>There may be more "titles" for older people than younger people.
>(This is one way of counting proportion..)
>
>Hypothetical case: there are 10 different OAV's for boys in the 20's,
>and each sells 10 copies.  there are 5 different titles for kids,
>but each sells 1 million copies..  which has a "large" proportion?

Thanks for shedding some light on this, Hitoshi.
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From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Date: 16 Dec 92 05:41:36 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

In article <n11adt@ofa123.fidonet.org> Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>
> EK> Actually, CPM is releasing GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES, one of the films I
> EK> recommended earlier.  They're supposed to come out with it sometime
> EK> in '93.
> I have aplogized earlier for being so harsh on Central Park Media in an
>earlier post.  I do hope they will release more titles like this instead of
>making fools of themselves with Project A-Ko or the "I Give My All" fiasco
>though.

Project A-ko is built as a parody of a lot of anime titles.  IMHO, it requires
some familiarity with a bit more anime first.
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 14:49:11 EST
From: <CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.anime
Followup-To: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Defending anime (was Re: Cheap animation)
 <1g8d61INN475@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> <Bz4Jp3.Ipt@CAM.ORG>

As for all the talk about whether or not Ranma 1/2 is a sex "epic", I think
that a) Kline misunderstood someone about the show, and b) people are over-
compensating.

Ranma 1/2 is designed partially as a satirical parody of sexual rolemodelling
and mores. Ranma at its best came out with some hilarious comments and
episodes illustrating the essential weirdness of male-female behavioural rules
and such.
 Unfortunately, Ranma was also intended as a martial-arts farce, and this
aspect of the show tended to dominate, and with a general drop in fight
animation, the stupid, relitively pointless quarrelling tends to sour the
humor over large sections of the series.

My point is this: Ranma is a show dealing with sexual roles, not sexual
activity. It's more like a British sex farce than a porn show.

End lecture. I'm cross-posting this to rec.arts.anime and I suggest that all
followups go to that group, as this is really an anime topic.

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From: terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: BTAS: silly villians
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 05:28:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.022332.23839@b30.ingr.com>, mueller@b30news.b30.ingr.com ( Phil Mueller ) writes:
|> 
|> BTAS is an excellent series.  Stylish look, good to excellent plots
|> ( "Nothing to Fear", among others ), characterization not only of Batman, 
|> but also the supporting cast ( Catwoman and Bullock, to name just two ).
|> 
|> But the main strength is the believability.  Although Batman is a superhero,
|> he is also a human being, and doesn't do anything a human couldn't do
|> ( no flying faster than light, being invisible, etc ).  I do admit
|> that is does strain credulity that one person could do everything he does.
|> The villians are, for the most part, believable humans too.
|> 
|> BUT, some of the bad guys are utterly silly.  A werewolf??  Man-bat??
|> Mr. Freeze??  The guy in Feat of Clay??  The first two violate, among other 
|> things, the first law of thermodynamics.  Mr. Freeze:  earth biochemistry 
|> can't function below the freezing point of water ( the organisms in the
|> polar regions heat themselves up ).  
|> 
|> I'm not even going to discuss Feat of Clay ( except to mention one good
|> thing -- the bad guy escapes at the end, proving that Batman is only human ).
|> 
|> If they would just get rid of this silliness, the series would be
|> much better ( IMNSHO ).

BTAS is one of the few animated series that have been true to the comics
from which they originated.  Most, if not all, of the villains featured
in BTAS first made their appearances in Batman comics, including
outlandish ones like Man-Bat, Mr. Freeze, and ClayFace.

In the comics, Batman lives in the DC Comics universe, a universe in
which he regularly encounters superpowered heroes and villains, and
supernatural and magical beings.

I think you are right that most of his best stories involve 
villains with no special powers, although a touch of the supernatural
also fits well with the atmosphere of the comic.

				terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
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From: ferret@kenning.engin.umich.edu (kenneth r lipka)
Subject: Re: Saying from "Thunderbirds"
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 10:43:32 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: Thunderbirds, FAB
Originator: ferret@kenning.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Dec15.173056.852@cid.aes.doe.CA>, ynecgan@cid.aes.doe.CA (Greg Neill) writes:
>> 
>   The "Supermarionation" series "Thunderbirds" has recently begun
> airing in my viewing area.  The characters frequently use the term
> "F.A.B." (pronounced eff-eh-bee), when conducting dialog over their 
> radios, and it usually comes as an acknowledgment to an accepted order 
> or suggested course of action.  The question is, what does F.A.B. stand
> for?  

	I don't remember hearing this quote in the series.  But this might help.
In the other "Supermarionation" series "Captain Scarlet" the characters, who belong to an organization named SPECTRUM, end radio transmissions with S.I.G. (pronounced ess-eye-gee).  This stands for "Spectrum is Green".  Maybe you can
apply this logic to the other show to figure it out.

	Ken Lipka
	ferret@engin.umich.edu
From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Poor writing in anime (Was: Cheap animatio
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 11 Dec 92  03:06:06

 MM> The reason big eyes are used in US and Japan is to give the characters
 MM> *life*.  

 MM> Eyes are the window to the soul.  If you want to give the character 
 MM> *soul* give them large expressive eyes.  It is a convention that
 MM> has worked for decades.

 MM> IMHO Disney is able to create expressive eyes that convey many 
 MM> emotions whereas anime eyes are just
 MM> plain big.  It is as if the anime characters are thinking "OHH SHIT!!"
 MM> all the time.
That is why I like the Disney style using big eyes (properly) and they help to 
give the characters life and more expression!  The problem with anime eyes is 
not that they are big (I prefer big eyes in ways) but that they must put at
least 2 or more white specs in the eyes and make them look like they have
multiple eyeballs in each eye!!!!  And yes, have the time those white specs
are moving around making the anime character look like they are in TROUBLE or 
something... 
 Unfortantly, I don't think some animators get the idea that using more than 1 
white spec in an eye doesn't give that character more expression than using
just 1, but rather it just makes them look like they have multiple eyeballs
and/or pupils.

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From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,alt.sex,rec.arts.anime,soc.motss,alt.sex.motss
Subject: Re: Japanimation reviews con't (may contain SPOILERS)
Date: 15 Dec 92 07:54:02 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Ever wonder what people talk about in rec.arts.animation?

In article <n118ct@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>> that did things that suggested she was a lesbian!!!!!
>
> U> Big deal.
> BIG DEAL???  Oh boy, so now let's have lesbianism in animation!! 

  [delete]

> This is what I call pathetic, OK so there is this "girls with guns" crap,
>bloody animation, nudity, sex...OK OK OK... But do we have to go even LOWER
>with lesbianism like I saw in that one film I mentioned?  I would think there 
>would be a limit, even it it was pretty low... But I guess I'm wrong again...

So, what _precisely_ is your objection to lesbians?

Note the crossposting.

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Batman: Yesterdays episode
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:36:14 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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What episode of Batman was on yesterday (12/16) Please reply E-mail. 
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From: Kevin.Kline@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Poor writing in anime (Was: Cheap animation)
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 16 Dec 92  04:15:52

 CC>  I don't like a lot of the anime heores/heroines cause I find it a 
 CC> tad hard to relate to such youngsters, and the big-eyed waif look
 CC> is rather a turnoff. But the eyes are the windows of the soul, and
 CC> highly expressive; consider them a superstimuli, if you will :)
 This is what turns many people off to anime.  When people think about anime, 
they think about those saucer-eye characters with all those white specs.   It 
is not the big eyes, otherwise there would be TONS of complaints about Disney 
eyes in "BatB" and "Aladdin" but rather the # of white specs.  If the biggest 
offending animators in Japan who draw up the characters with a large # of
white specs would cut down to just 1 white spec per eye, I think more people
won't be as turned off to anime and they would still have the highly
expressive large eye.  The thing you can't do is to put so many white specs it 
seems the eye as multiple eyeballs/pupils.  That is what people are turned off 
by.
 CC> Kevin, take a look at someone's eye in a fairly well lit area. 
 CC> Because the surface is rounded you get a lot of reflection. THAT
 CC> is what those white specks are, and it does give more life to a
 CC> painted/drawn eye than a flat color. This is especially true when
 CC> you are drawing brown eyes; I thought Belle's eyes 
 CC> could have used some more spark in some scenes, 
 CC> although I agree not to the extent 
 CC> that it is used in anime. And the shivering specks really
 CC> bother me too; one stylistic feature which doesn't seem
 CC> to work too well, IMHO.
 Very true, but you don't see a whole ton of white specs in most drawings save 
for most anime.  As for Belle having more sparks in her eyes, would you put
more than 1 white spec in each eye or just made the 1 white spec larger than
it was?  The danger of having more than 1 white spec per eye is you tend to
crowd the eye with a bunch of stuff and it doesn't look that good.  As for the 
shivering specks, that really is annoying but that is a side effect of having 
too many (2 or more) white specs in each eye and turns even more people off to 
anime.  
 When people see some anime that isn't the typical stuff they expect in terms 
of character designs, I think they will be turned on to anime once again (i.e. 
Most stories in Robot Carnival, and Miayzaki stuff).

--- Maximus 2.00
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: AKIRA the movie
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:11:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.221601.26548@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, njs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (nicholas.j.sauer) writes:
> In article <101647@netnews.upenn.edu>, kupiec@hp800.lasalle.edu (Bob Kupiec) writes:
> > 
> > I just saw it 2 days ago and thought the animation was EXCELLENT, but as
> > you said I noticed plot/story problems too.
> 
> I just saw AKIRA recently, also.  What plot/story problems were there?

Several.  But that's outside the scope of this newsgroup.  Either post
in rec.arts.anime or send me e-mail for a discussion.

Be reading you!  :-)
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