HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eer1@midway.uchicago.edu (Paul Woods)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Macintosh DAT on a NeXT
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:47:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr16.164717.11184
Reply-To: eer1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Hi,

I have a Thirdwave DAT drive for my network backup.  I was planning on using the  
drive to back up my net (as it always has in the past) and then use a product  
called NFS/SHARE from intercon. Corp. to mount the NeXT's NFS volume on my  
Macintosh and back it up also.  There is a problem in that I need to be the  
owner of everything in order to back things up.  Since it would be kind of hard  
to do that, I decided to use NIS so that I would only have to be a member of the  
group and have the files allow group access.  Unfortunately, NeXT does not fully  
impliment NIS as a server (it works great as a client) so I could not access  
multiple groups at the same time.  I then wrote a script that would change  
/etc/exports to contain "anon=0" for approx 30 seconds (just lo0ng enough to log  
in as root from my mac) and then it would change it back to it's semi-secure  
state.  Guess what,  it still logs me in as -2.  Oh well.

Now that you have a case history I can tell you what I am going to do.  The NeXT  
has to be backed up every night night but so does my network.  What I would like  
to do is just take the DAT and attach it to the NeXT (I have the proper cable),  
do a back up, and then hook it back up to my Mac.

I am not very famillar with dump and such things and I don't even know if the  
DAT will be recognized by the NeXT.

Could anyone that has experience (or theories) with this sort of thing, please  
post a follow-up.  Even better would be if you could e-mail me and then I will  
post the responses in a summary.


Thank You,

Paul R. Woods
eer1@midway.uchicago.edu
From: simsong (Simson L. Garfinkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: breakins
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:22:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: next.1992Apr10.162220.6992
Reply-To: simsong@next.cambridge.ma.us
Organization: NeXTWORLD Magazine

I'm doing an article for NeXTWORLD about discovering and dealing with breakins.

I'm interested in stories from people in the NeXT community.

Please email me if you have any that you can share with me:

	Simson L. Garfinkel
	simsong@nextworld.com

-simson
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From: Monty Solomon <monty%roscom@think.com>
Subject: Re: UUCP: 64-byte packet -> 256-byte packet
Reply-To: Monty Solomon <roscom!monty@think.com>
Organization: Proponent
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:27:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.050441.4943@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew  
Loewenstern) writes:
> However, if you are spoofing, you won't get very much more througput if any  
> unless there is net-lag in your uucp link (like in mine).  I get 800+ cps on  
> recieves now, but 110- cps on sends due to lag.

I assume that you are discussing Telebit modem spoofing.  Telebits will spoof  
uucp only if they are connected to another Telebit via MNP or PEP.  Some
combinations of different model Telebit modems (e.g. T1600 <-> T2500) won't
spoof due to some known Telebit bug.

Something must be terribly wrong if you are only getting ~110 cps throughput  
via end-to-end Telebit uucp spoofing.

Monty
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From: u-magpie@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark Dadgar -NeXT CC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Attaching Conner SCSI Harddisk
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:52:46 GMT

In <1992Apr8.142930.987@megatel.de> stefan@megatel.de (Stefan Runge) writes:

>Hi out there!

>I have a problem attaching my old Mac harddisk to the Next.
>It it a Conner CP 3040A set to SCSI-ID 2 (external)

[hard drive formatting errors deleted]

>So what's the error here???

Apple uses a non-standard SCSI interface.  Some Apple drives will not work
if connected to a NeXT SCSI port.  Some will - you takes your chances.  The
problem does indeed revolve around the mode-select command, as related to me
by a NeXTedge Tech person.

The drive *I* had a problem with was an Apple 80SC (or whatever), which is 
really a Quantum ProDrive in disguise - BUT it has a different ROM on it
that drives the Apple SCSI interface hardware.  I finally got it to work,
but your drive may be slightly different.


          Mark Dadgar         |        A pretty sight it seemed to be
  UCSB NeXT Campus Consultant |          An avenue of eternal peace
   u-magpie@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu  | But he said "What is here can soon burn down...
       Bill & Opus - '92      |         I'm the King of Sunset Town" 
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          Mark Dadgar         |        A pretty sight it seemed to be
  UCSB NeXT Campus Consultant |          An avenue of eternal peace
   u-magpie@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu  | But he said "What is here can soon burn down...
       Bill & Opus - '92      |         I'm the King of Sunset Town" 
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From: irving@Happy-Man.com (Irving_Wolfe)
Subject: niload bootptab - Serious Bug Warning
Keywords: warning niload nidump
Reply-To: Irving_Wolfe@Happy-Man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:22:49 GMT

Background:

nidump hosts / produces (partial only):

192.42.172.6    sable
192.42.172.1    beauty mailhost
192.42.172.2    sponge

nidump bootptab / produces (partial only):

/private/tftpboot:/
mach
%%
sable            1  0:0:f:0:67:6    192.42.172.6     mach
beauty           1  0:0:f:0:a3:89   192.42.172.1     mach
sponge           1  0:0:f:0:66:3f   192.42.172.2     mach

BUG:

nidump bootptab / >junk
niload bootptab / <junk

has the unfortunate side effect of removing "mailhost" as an
alternate name for "beauty" and the entire mail system falls apart.

This is a very ugly thing to do at a site that counts on e-mail 
working through a mailhost!  

 - Irving
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From: michael@stb.info.com (Michael Gersten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Question on tape drives
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:51:21 GMT
Organization: STB BBS, La, Ca, 310 397 3137


Questions on tape drives.

A long time ago there was something called a "Stringy Floppy". What this
was was a tape drive where you could write to block #x on the tape, and
not destroy block #x+1. This allowed it to be used as a slow floppy
drive (hence the name).

Is there anything like this in modern tape drives, or are they strictly
a "Re-write from beginning to end, only" sequential devices?

What prices should I expect to pay for a tape drive?

		Michael
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From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Worm drives <==> NeXT
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:33:42 GMT
Reply-To: kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr8.055744.2971@nimno.uucp> nimno!john@wupost.wustl.edu (John Bartley) writes:
>I've been calling various vendors in the NeXT software and peripherals  
>guide, attempting to find out if anyone has WORM drives that will work  
>with the NeXT. A marketing guy at MicroTech told me that they wouldn't  
>work with the NeXT. This sounds unreasonable, but seems to be the case  
>since I can't find anyone that sells a device that works with a NeXT.
>
>I would like to get in touch with anyone who is currently using a WORM  
>drive that is directly connected to a NeXT. What brand and model? How  
>does it perform? Where did you buy it? How much? Any problems to be  
>aware of?
>
Why bother with a WORM (Write One Read Many) optical drive?
Just get a regular WMRM (Write Many Read Many) optical drive.

Easy way to handle it is make sure when data is replaced you move the
old data to a dircetory call /OldData.  Make the directory writable by
root only.

I think WORM drives are basically dead.  The initial concept of WORM was to
be able to write huge amounts of data on optical media.  There didn't
exist the technology to re-write data so the WORM was created.

Get an OD and set up some management of files like SCCS, if the /OldData
idea won't work.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: grd@ccrma.stanford.edu (glen diener)
Subject: Re: NeXT quota
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:34:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.152910.13087@menudo.uh.edu> cscc1e@Menudo.UH.EDU  
(A.Boromand) writes:
> Hi
> 	I am currently looking for a quota enforcer for a NeXT cluster.  The  
unsupported application that comes with the NeXT has never worked for me and
> as I keep adding new users the problem keeps getting worse.  So if anyone out  
there has any information on a quota enforcer or something similar, a reply   
would
> be most appreciated, infact any reply is most appreciated in advance.
> 
> 						Allan Boromand
--

In 2.0, quota was broken on the NeXT. For 3.0, they have fixed it in a
uniquely NeXT-like way...they are removing it, and will not support it.
This is extremely frustrating to sysadmins..if you don't like it, write 
NeXT and tell them!

-glen diener
grd@ccrma.stanford.edu
From: hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us (Dark Hacker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Cannot get XNeXT to work
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:05:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation

Make sure to do "chmod ugo+rw /dev/vid0" as root before you start.

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8340 Greensboro Drive #223  Phone: (703) 356-6514
McLean VA                   Uucp: mimsy!black-silicon!hacker
22102                       Internet: hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us

"Beneath a sky of perpetual twilight towers a black cube measuring 20 miles
on each side: "Black Silicon", Dark Hacker's fortress of computation!"
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From: chris@polaris.cognet.ucla.edu (Christopher McRae)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: NewsGrazer crashes -- too many groups?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:15:58 GMT
Organization: UCLA Cognitive Science Research Program
Originator: chris@polaris.cognet.ucla.edu

Hi,

  Our newsgroup count recently passwd the 1500 mark and we
ended up having to recompile rn.  Now, we've noticed that
NewsGrazer isn't working anymore either.  It starts up and
chews on the active file for a little while and then quits
with a "Bus Error".
  Is there anyone out there with any ideas on how to proceed?

Thanks,

Chris

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Cognet System Administrator                    	(310) 206-3960     
Cognitive Science Research Program
University of California at Los Angeles
From: nash@visus.com (Richard V. Nash)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Swapfile on NetBoot server
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:21:58 GMT
Reply-To: nash@visus.com
Organization: Visual Understanding Systems, Pgh PA

I have several NetBoot clients and one server in my network. When a client's  
40meg accelerator swapdisk fills up, swap space spills over to a file on the  
server. How do I stop this?

I would much rather have one client run out of swap space than an entire  
network go down because somebody is running Icon.

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From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: Changing system name HELP
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 06:30:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.182100.21360@logibec.uucp> jep@logibec.uucp
	(John Phillips) writes:
>He wants to change his system name so he can uucp to
>another site.

NeXT's uucp software reads the file /etc/uucp/UUCPNAME for local
system name, which need bear no relationship to the hostname.

>               He also wants this new system name reflected
>in his return address when he sends E-mail.

That's controlled by the sendmail configuration; there's nothing
special about the NeXT in that regard, just that the Sun-derived
sendmail.cf may need a bit of "obvious" tweaking.  Ask in
comp.mail.sendmail if you need help in that department.

					-=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca  (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: NeXT quota
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:37:18 GMT

A.Boromand writes
> Hi
> 	I am currently looking for a quota enforcer for a NeXT cluster.  The  
unsupported application that comes with the NeXT has never worked for me and
> as I keep adding new users the problem keeps getting worse.  So if anyone out  
there has any information on a quota enforcer or something similar, a reply   
would
> be most appreciated, infact any reply is most appreciated in advance.
> 
> 						Allan Boromand
> 
>  

Look for Quotas.tar.Z
	It's a clever system that runs quot on each file system each night,  
compares the quantity to a table in netinfo, and keeps track of how much over  
quota people are.  If you have been over quota for more than 7 of the last 10  
days, your account is disabled.
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From: pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu (Patrick Robinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Re: Mach equivalent of cuserid() ??
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:49:45 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin

Douglas Scott writes
> Does the NeXT have an equivalent of the subroutine cuserid()?

Check out getpwent(3).  You can use
   struct passwd *pw_ent = getpwuid(getuid());
and then check pw_ent->pw_name

-Patrick Robinson
 pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu
From: borrel@sigallah.dhhalden.no (Borre Ludvigsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Crazy printer or dumb machine?
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:54:07 GMT
Organization: University of Oslo

HELP - HELP !! :-((((

Why does root not have problems printing documents with tiff pictures  
while I a normal user do? I've juggled users, groups and every other  
species to no avail. The printer in question is a net mounted  
"LaserWriter". My machine is a Dimensions Cube. The Colorstations are  
happy. (Email please.)

- Barre Ludvigsen / Ostfold Regional College / Halden / Norway
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From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: NeXT on a Token Ring network?
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:56:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.011308.687@gacvx2.gac.edu> dan@gacvx2.gac.edu writes:
>  If you can't wait for NS 3.0 clients, you can
>  use Netware 3.11's NFS.NLM so the NeXT can use its build in NFS networking
>  capabilities to mount file systems from the Netware server.

Novell wants quite a bit of money for their NFS stuff, but it works well.   
Going from Novell's file permissions to NFS and back is pretty evil, but it  
works.  What I'm concerned with about the Netware clients in 3.0 are the api's  
to the server... Like SPX isn't in 3.0...  and how current are the clients?   
Will 3.2 leave NeXTstep's clients behind?


andrew
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Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: francisr@camera (Rob Francis)
Subject: Re: breakins
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 05:34:45 GMT

>Here is a phenomenon that one of my users reported to me.  Once, on logging
>in to his system, he saw an alert panel raised in the upper left corner
>of the screen that said "Security Alert: INTRUDER".  Now the funny thing
>is that this machine is not networked and does not even have UUCP enabled.
>There is no getty on the modem line, although the user does dial in to the
>university daily.
>
>Has anyone else seen this panel.  I went looking for it with strings and
>grep, but I haven't found what would put it up.

I've seen this happen before.  It was because someone was messing
around with NetInfo, removing users that were already logged in.  That
user's login doesn't just go away upon the removal of the UID, but it
can make for alert panels when they try to do something that
references NetInfo.

-rob
francisr@indiana.edu
From: pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu (Patrick Robinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: "dump" params for DAT
Summary: Dump dat dumb DAT
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:41:21 GMT

intend to use dump/restore forever, I'd sure like to understand how to make
it work.

Here's the problem:  I'm having trouble understanding the man page for the
dump command.  Down under the notes for 'DUMPING TO EXABYTE TAPE', there's
an explanation about setting the s paramter, which specifies tape size in
feet.  They make the claim that a 1.985 Gb Exabyte tape (120 minute 8mm)
would be equivalent to 1,332,183 feet of 1600 bpi reel-to-reel tape.  I
don't see where they get that number.  According to my calculations:

1.985 Gb   1,073,741,824 bytes   8 bits      1 in      1 ft  ~
         * ------------------- * ------ * ---------- * ----- = 888,074 ft
                1 Gb             1 byte   1,600 bits   12 in

rather than 1,332,183 ft.

Where am I going wrong?  Where has my logic gone haywire?

The bottom-line question is:  how do I set dump density and size (in feet)
for a 90m DAT tape?  Oh... this drive does DCLZ compression.

Thanks,

-Patrick Robinson
 Extension Information Systems
 Virginia Tech
 pgr@ramandu.ext.vt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: Using the NeXT CD-ROM player on other systems
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 20:58:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.035354.4068@Csli.Stanford.EDU>  
jwishnie@roadkill.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Wishnie) writes:
>  My Prof is would like to get the CD-ROM Player/3.0 special but he would  
>  like to be able to use the CD-ROM player with ALL the systems in his lab.
>  
>  SO, Has anyone tried hooking the NeXT CD-ROM player to a Macintosh or a  
>  Sun?
>  
>  If so, what drivers did it take to get it working.  I'm most concerned  
>  with the Mac.


Pascal:  ***PLEASE MAKE THIS A FAQ***  same deal with "Can I use my [Sun | Mac]  
CD-ROM on my NeXT?".................


andrew
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: sherwood@space.ualberta.ca  (Sherwood Botsford)
Subject: Re: Bad to power off?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:03:10 GMT

charles graham nowacek writes
> I've gone through FAQ and could not find an answer.  Should I be
> concerned about powering my station down at night?  Excessive wear of
> drive or power supply? Inhibiting cron from doing it's thing?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chip

It should be in FAQ.  Problem is we never come to a consensus.  With PC's the  
rule of thumb was shut it down if it's going to be off for more than 16 hours.

Drives have much longer MTBF's.  And most component failures do occur during  
the transients of starting up. 

I have 20 nexts.  They run 24 hours/day year in year out.  So far we've had one  
squeeky drive and one dead mouse.  (I do use adim to dim screens when not in  
use however.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: mark@cyantic.com (Mark T. Dornfeld)
Subject: Re: Using a NeXT as an Ethernet converter
Organization: CYANTIC Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:11:29 GMT
Keywords: ethernet

In article <4195@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu writes:
>Is it possible to use a NeXT to convert a twisted-pair ethernet connection to  
>the other format (I forget its name) via the following hookup:
>
>==================>  NeXT  ---------------------->  machine with BNC connector
>(twisted pair in)         (out from BNC connector)
>                          (terminated correctly of course)

I doubt if both of these Ethernet connectors are active.

Cabletron makes a media adapter that will convert TWP to thinwire. It's not
cheap (est. $400) but it's a pretty handy device.  Check your local
network cabling vendor for cheaper models from other manufacturers.
-- 

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CYANTIC Systems                               Facsimile: (416) 234-0477
101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103                Email: mark@cyantic.com
From: dan@gacvx2.gac.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: NeXT on a Token Ring network?
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:13:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr8.011308.687
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota

In article <rsvapINNcor@agate.berkeley.edu>, opsrjh@uccvma.ucop.edu (Richard Hintz) writes:
> In article <1992Apr1.224959.925@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>  
> dan@dsullivan.kellogg.nwu.edu (Daniel Sullivan) writes:
>> I would like to connect a NeXT into network of PCs that run Novell Netware  
>> overa Token Ring network.  In particular I would like to be able to get files  
>> from their server and to exchange mail with them.  (They use something called  
>> cc mailer.)
>> 
>> What kind of hardware do I need?  My understanding is that a bridge is  
>> expensive (>$1000).  Do I need such a thing?
>> 
>> What kind of software do I need?  Will NS 3.0 be sufficient?
> 
> 
> Bridges between Ethernet and Token Ring include IBM 8209 and Cisco (router).
> For mail gateway software between Novell and SMTP, look at Charon which is  
> available at syr.edu (among other places according to Archie).  The hardware is  
> not cheap.  
> --
> Richard Hintz  opsrjh@uccvma  hintz@oz.ucop.edu
> University of California

There are some additional options.  Netware 3.11 servers and external
bridge/routers can route IP now, the TCP.NLM allows this.  I believe that this
requires a 386 box.  PCROUTE is a freely avilable router that can be setup on a
286 box with packet drivers.  Both these are less than $1000 solutions.
The IBM 8209 is okay, but is a bridge.  It is for the most part a transparent
bridge, however, due to differences between MAC addresses on Token Ring and
Ethernet it plays with the contents of TCP/IP ARP packets.  It does not do
the same for other protocols like Novell IPX/SPX and AppleTalk.  The Cisco
is the ultimate solution for multiple protocols especially if you want to use
the NS 3.0 Appletalk and Novell clients.  The Netware solution will also deal
with AppleTalk and Novell in addition to TCP/IP so it may be as good a solution
as the Cisco, but if your campus doesn't have any Novell 3.11 servers it can be
very expensive since a license to use the server is necessary to get the
external bridge/router software, but any number of bridge/routers can be 
set up off one server license.  If you can't wait for NS 3.0 clients, you can
use Netware 3.11's NFS.NLM so the NeXT can use its build in NFS networking
capabilities to mount file systems from the Netware server.

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Gustavus Adolphus College
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