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From: 003166j@axe.acadiau.ca (JASON WILLIAM JARVIS)
Subject: Winter Jumping
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:46:44 GMT

	I was just wondering if there was a limit as to how cold it could be 
before it isn't safe to jump, other than the physical aspect of it.  Does 
cold affect the performance of the 'chute in any way?  This might have been 
on before, but I can't remember.

Jason W. Jarvis
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From: aharburn@bnr.ca (Adrian Harburn)
Subject: BASE info.
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:05:45 GMT



	I'm considering doing my first BASE jump soon. I am as confident
about my abilities as I suppose anyone can be, but I would still like to
talk to those who have been jumping a while. So if anybody out there
knows of anybody in the UK I could talk to please post their address or
telephone number.
	If anybody knows where I can buy a velcro BASE rig from, as well
as a 56" pilot chute, 
	I'm also trying to find out info such as :
		
	- Where can I buy a velcro BASE rig / 56" pilot chute ?
	- What organised jump sites are there ?
Thanks,

	Adrian.



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From: laubach@hpl.hp.com (Mark Laubach)
Subject: Re: Warmest New Years DZ?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:18:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA
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Well, I've jumped in Australia at Picton and Elderslie (both near
Sydney) in October.  That's close enough to warm for them.  Right now,
it is very warm down there.  They have a 12 seater Nomad at Picton.
Elderslie has periodic boogies where they bring in a Twin Otter.

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From: esj@gnarley.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson)
Subject: Re: skydiving in the Ft. Lauderdale area
Reply-To: esj@gnarley.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson)
Organization: U of Florida Engineering Computing Services
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 21:24:28 GMT

In article <C0K5BD.7wB@encore.com> jkearns@encore.com (Jim Kearns) writes:
>wtm%gr.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Thomas McCollough) writes:
>
>>Who can recommend a skydiving center in the Ft. Lauderdale area?  I will be
>>there for the weekend of Jan 23rd.  I've done the obligatory research using
>>my latest Parachutist magazine.  Are there any other drop zones?
>
>>Thanks,
>>Tom
>
>Your best bet is Clewiston, about 1.5 hr north on US 27.
>
>Its a good DZ and sometimes I think it's one of the best kept secrets
>in Florida.  They've had some bad luck with aircraft lately so that could
>be an issue, but Marty is usually pretty good about getting planes when he
>needs them.  Normally he has a Queen Air, a C195, and a super slow piston
>Porter.  Also, Mr. Douglas is based there.
>
>--Jim

Ill second Clewiston. A bit (1.5-2.0ish hours) from Ft. L. but a nice DZ with
friendly folk. A few other ideas (along with my personal impressions):

	1. Homestead. Back in the air after near complete destruction 
	by the hurricane. A Cessna. Plus you can not land on the airport. 
	Its a tandem ride DZ, But it is a DZ. South of Miami.

	2. Sebastian. A couple hours north on 95. Just started up. May or
	may not be USPA affiliated yet, but will be soon. Run by Mark and 
	Wanda Price. I haven't been there yet, but Mark and Wanda were 
	Staff AFF JM's at my home DZ back when I was a student. Good people
	who I imagine run a good DZ. 

	3. Titusville. 3+ hours north on 95. Nice little DZ that is
	working hard on becoming a big time operation. Good people
	big CRW rep. RW folks seem to avoid it for Deland/Zhills.
	Got a Beach and a Bonanza. And a 182.

	4. Okeechobee. Its a bit north (other side of the lake by the same 
	name) Not even sure if its still in operation. Had a good time the 
	one time i visited. Not big on much besides student/low time
	RW.


Now if you realy want to drive, check out Zhills. Skydive City is always a 
blast of fun dives. Phoenix of course has a Casa and is pretty fun too.
Plan a weekend. Jump both of em... Skydiver heaven. 

Plus of course Deland. Way noth of Ft L. but the serious RW DZ on the
east coast. 
And then there is Umatilla, Jimmy Godwins DZ and winter home of his Otter. 
Wear your big suit....

Ej
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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: fatality at Eloy
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 02:56:28 GMT

>>If you are a freestylist, please wear a
>>dytter (or two) and learn something from this incident.  I'd hate to see this
>>one repeated.
>
>I don't understand this.  I would not consider myself a freestylist in the
>sense that Tamara Koyn or Dale Stuart are freestylists.  But I would consider
>myself a freestylist compared to someone who's only done RW jumps.  
>
>I've done freestyle, not a lot, but enough (~100 jumps).  What is it about
>freestyle that has (at least) a couple of people concerned about loss of
>altitude awareness?  For myself, I'm MORE altitude aware during FS than RW.
>

Well, I'm not a freestylist at all, but my guess for the reason of 
concern is the lack of a constant falll rate and the time of freefall
depends on the manuvers you do. I think most all RW jumpers develop
a "built in " clock (bad as it may be). 

It's good that you are more aware in FS (er, I think- I hope that
doesn't mean you AREN'T aware in RW   :^)

-Eric


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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 15:01:31 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Farrant@p0.f915.n153.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Farrant)
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 > * <170 jumps on the Canopy.

   Let me guess, it was only flown to church on Sundays, right ?

Bill Farrant


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From: Sm@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Scott Merrilees)
Subject: Re: Warmest New Years DZ?
Organization: BHP, Newcastle, Australia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:37:58 GMT

Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee) writes:
>Where is the warmest, best equipped (ie Aircraft)_ Drop Zone in the world
>during the the x-mas/New Years holidays?

>I post this question because in the last three years I have been in Fla and
>AZ and they were quite chilly and got weathered out for maybe half of week.
>My SO and I are laying plans for an adventure next year.  Opinions?

During the Chrismas / New Year period, the Australian National Skydiving
Chanpionships and Boogie is held.  The last three years has been at Corawa
in the SE of Australia, near the NSW and Victoria border, approx 300 km
inland. 

This year, competion was out of 2 Nomad and miscellaneous Cessna
aircraft, boogie out of 2 Otters.  Attendance was approx 500.
Temperature was approx 30-45 Celcius on the ground, usually a pleasant 5-10
at height. 

Accomadation is usually camping on the airport, as that is where everybody
is.  New Year's Eve party is usually good.  Corawa is usually good for
about a week, as people usually start leaving after the new year.  Then
quite a few people migrate up the coast towards Queensland, which is what I
have just got back from.

Blue Skies,
Sm
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From: arichard@sph.unc.edu (ALISON RICHARD)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Cypres
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:14:49 GMT
Organization: UNC School of Public Health

I have been thinking of buying a cypres but am concerned following
Tom Piras' fatal decision to deactivate his.

What was he doing that he felt required him to de-activate the unit?

What evidence is there of mis-firings?

I would like to compile some data on this subject and would be
grateful if anyone with relevant info. could e-mail it to me.

Thanks - and lets hope 1993 is kinder to our sport.

Alison Richard
From: moret@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Moret)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Rumour that Piras bounced apparently true / CYPRES
Date: 6 Jan 93 15:19:18 GMT
Reply-To: moret@disuns2.epfl.ch (Pierre Moret)
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <779.2B4A7BA7@ehsnet.fidonet.org>  writes:
>...  -As a jumper, Hey, if you can't pull your own "ripcord", then
>consider taking up Golf.

!!!!!!

This is one of the most ridiculous thing I've heard about AADs...

Have a look at this:

                      fatalities (in 32 countries)
                     1990   1989

cut-away, no-pull     11     22
cut away, low-pull    20     26
no/low-pull (main)    12     21
others                27     28

(from CISM-PARACHUTING: CUT-AWAY FAILURE, technical brochure 48)


Sorry, but anything can happen in freefall and there are also situations where
it could be impossible to activate any ripcord. (think about a Vector tandem-
master whith a broken left arm during exit or collision, or a 'simple' hard
collision during rw resulting into unconsciousness...) 


>(...) I respect my fellow jumpers who use them (...)

Doesn't really seem to be true...


Using an AAD is not saying "I can't pull my own ripcord", but "I know that 
something wrong can happen in the air, that it could be impossible to pull
any ripcord by myself". BTW, why do you have a reserve? Are you unable to
pack your main correctly? If so, think about playing golf! And why do you
have seat-belts and/or air-bags in your car? Are you unable to drive it
correctly?


Please don't be so presomptuous about your skills. Maybe you're the best,
but in this case, the risk to be hurt by another jumper (of course a very 
bad one) still exists, no?


--Pierre     moret@di.epfl.ch
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From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: AAD cutters vs. pullers
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:58:08 GMT

Hi gang,

Am seriously saving for some type of AAD unit for my rig.
The three contenders are Cypress, FXC, Sentinel. I have 
a twin pin reserve in my rig. 

Any input out there on cutters verses pullers...?

Having two pins only doubles the issue for me. When I 
am ready to buy a brand new rig, it will be a single pin.
In the mean time however, I feel it would be safer pulling
the pin a small half inch back from under the loop. The cutter
I would think, stands a fairly good chance of NOT actually cutting
the loop. It only gets one shot at it I believe. It is not like 
cutting a steak where you can cycle the blade back and forth.....

Also, if the loop is cut from inside the reserve container, such
as the Cypres design, what are the possibilities that the loop
may hesitate from feeding its way out..? Any delay at under 1000
feet is not exceptable.

Thanks,




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From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Subject: Re: Pull time safety
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:04:43 GMT

In article <64.361.uupcb@filebank.cts.com> randy.scott@filebank.cts.com
(Randy Scott) writes:

>Any comments?  How can we define the responsibilities more clearly and
>improve safety during openings?

     Separation.  Everybody tracks.  The best way to keep someone
else's canopy out of your face is to not be there when it opens.

     I admit that this is simplistic; screwups happen, and I agree
with the "low man has the right of way" rule.  But I've seen too
many people not bother getting good separation in the first place.
There are exceptions which can be safe if planned.  For instance,
one person could dump out while everybody else tracks.  But if you
depend on vertical separation by staggering your openings, a snivel
can have an even higher pucker factor than normal.

     Please, folks, turn 180 and do a good track on any formation
larger than one.  Try to make it a good track instead of a dive,
but keep an eye out for people who don't and wind up under you.

     Of course, funnels can really screw things up.  But if it's
break-off time once you stable out, find some open sky and go for it.

     Have a safe and happy new year (hopefully with more blue sky
than we have... :-)

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
"I'm cursed with hair from HELL!"  -- Night Court

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From: horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Eloy Fatality
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:06:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.014312.9422@cascade.Stanford.EDU> king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.224845.2730@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn) writes:

[ ..stuff deleted.. ]

>> Hmm...I've done probably 100 freestyle jumps, and I
>>find myself more altitude aware then when I'm doing RW.
>
>I guess it all depends on the person and situation.  Why do you say
>you're more altitude aware during freestyle than with RW?  I'd be
>interested in knowing...

Probably because I'm not very good.  When I'm doing RW there's always the next
thing that has to be done.  There's always one more point (barring brain
locks).  With freestyle, I'm not to the point where I'm working on a routine,
yet.  Each dive, I go up and concentrate on one particular move.  (Of course,
throwing in a couple of moves that I've "mastered" to keep in practice)  The
result is that I do (pretty much) the same singular thing over and over during
the dive.  It only takes a few times through the loop and something goes off in
my head saying "you've done this a bunch o' times, do you know how high you
are?"  I check my altimeter.  Usually, I'm still pretty high and I continue
on with the dive.

Honestly, though, I don't really know why.  Time seems to slow down when I'm
doing freestyle and I check my altimeter more often.

Later,
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From: mark@vti.com (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Winter Jumping
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:59:30 GMT

JASON WILLIAM JARVIS (003166j@axe.acadiau.ca) wrote:
: 	I was just wondering if there was a limit as to how cold it could be 
: before it isn't safe to jump, other than the physical aspect of it.  Does 
: cold affect the performance of the 'chute in any way?  This might have been 
: on before, but I can't remember.

I think it's mostly an issue of comfort (you can read uncomfortable to
mean loss of fingers and so on due to frost bite if you want).

Bill Booth just recently made a Tandem jump into The North Pole using
lots of help from the Russian militairy.  He and his passenger where
dressed warmly for the cold and he experienced no problem with his gear.
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From: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel)
Subject: Re: New Years Boogie at Marana
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:37:38 GMT

Jim Beutel (beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com) wrote:
: 
: 
: Will have a tough time getting back into a cessna for that LONG ride up after
: the 7 minute trip in the King Air. Many thanks to Mike Mullins.
: 

Ahhh, don't worry; you'll get in the C-182 ... and you'll enjoy jumping out :))

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From: jan@stout.atd.ucar.edu (Jan Stewart)
Subject: fatality at Eloy
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:16:48 GMT

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> I have an unconfirmed rumor that a a jumper went in at Eloy during the
> Christmas/New Year's Boogie.  I was told the jumper was a french-speaking
> female jumper, ~18-years-old, low number of jumps, no-pull.
> Art Bori
> D-11402

A female friend of mine was at Eloy for the holidays, though it doesn't
sound like her. -Can anybody confirm the description Art Bori reported?,
thanks,  Ed.

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I heard she was oriental looking, but spoke swiss (or maybe french).

Brent


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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: Re: Warmest New Years DZ?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:58:31 GMT

Australia, good idea!  Can you recommend a source or maybe even post some
financial factors (ie. Jump rates, cost o' beer etc.)

Australia as the best winter DZ....Hmm any other nominations?
From: abbott@ms.uky.edu (Joel Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: rec.skydiving archives
Keywords: archives, ftp
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:06:42 GMT
Organization: The Jimi Hendrix Fan Club

i posted a message early last month stating that i had all of the
rec.skydiving articles archived from the very beginning minus about 65
that were lost.  i figured that they could be made available on
wasp.eng.ufl.edu.  they are in compressed tar format and take up about
6 or so megs right now.  i would like to make them available.

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From: shibuya@bl.applicon.slb.com (Hiroto Shibuya)
Subject: Re: Rumour that Piras bounced apparently true / CYPRES
Reply-To: shibuya@bl.applicon.slb.com
Organization: Applicon; Billerica, MA (USA)
	<SHIBUYA.93Jan7210148@chute.bl.applicon.slb.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:12:18 GMT

Hiroto Shibuya writes:

> one.)  The opening canopy caught his leg and threw him off (which I
> assume didn't have any damage on him), AND his head hit the knee of
> the other jumper, which knocked him out.

I was referring a bit incorrectly off my head.  As in Mark's posting,
deploying canopy pitched him forward and his head hit the knee of the
jumper who had premature deployment.

Hiroto


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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Re: Taking chances
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:38:49 GMT

>
>Yeah, 600 foot openings were good for Bill Crago, too...
>
>until one day when he had a pilot chute hesitation, and went in.
>(Michigan, 1972).
>
>The equation describing risk in jumping contains multiple variables,
>not just one.  Anyone who thinks they have total control over every
>thing that happens in a jump just by "having their head together",
>is only fooling themselves.  
>

Right!
Part of "having ones head together" means planning an opening altitude
that will allow sufficient time to deal with most emergencies.

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From: kcameron@erc.cat.syr.edu (Ken Cameron)
Subject: hang gliding helmets for skydiving
Originator: kcameron@erc.cat.syr.edu
Organization: Electronic Resource Center, Syracuse
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 00:04:48 EST

My gang just returned from Eloy and saw some helmets that might make
winter jumping better. They were told that these new helmets were
for hang gliding but have these great advantages. Aerodynamic, very
wide field of vision, and good protection from the freezing wind.
If anyone has address/phone/etc... on where these could be found
let me know and I will pass it on. We are central New York State,
Syracuse, Ithaca, Bimghampton, Rochester, any of these towns would
be fine.

-- 
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From: boucher@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Richard A Boucher Jr)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:50:07 GMT
Subject: Batchelor Party
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
From: miolnir@stein.u.washington.edu (Scot Thorstad)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Winter Jumping
Date: 9 Jan 1993 22:15:15 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

In article <003166j.14.726511604@axe.acadiau.ca> 003166j@axe.acadiau.ca (JASON WILLIAM JARVIS) writes:
>
>	I was just wondering if there was a limit as to how cold it could be 
>before it isn't safe to jump, other than the physical aspect of it.  Does 
>cold affect the performance of the 'chute in any way?  This might have been 
>on before, but I can't remember.
>
>Jason W. Jarvis

If anything cold would make the chute fly better because of the higher
air density.  Be careful of frostnip though, there's a lot of windchill
at 120mph.
scot
From: esj@mailbox.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: AAD cutters vs. pullers
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:48:15 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computing Services - Univ. of Fla.

>Any input out there on cutters verses pullers...?
>
>Having two pins only doubles the issue for me.
>Any delay at under 1000 feet is not exceptable.

Contact the manufacturer of the rig. They are the ones who will tell
your what AAD's can be used on your rig, and they will undoubtedly 
do the best job of installing them. 

You of course may have to put your money where your mouth is.


Ej

(whos big worry for 93 is that the rush to install AAD's will cause riggers
to attempt to install them when not properly rated/trained)
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From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: St Louis Arch Base Jump
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:59:11 GMT

I heard a rumor about a base jump made from the Arch in 
St. Louis..! The jumper was supposedly arrested. Any truth
to this one?

Thanks



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