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From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Heart irregularities
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:11:30 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Organization: GE Research Center


> From: brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton)
> ...
> I regularly get irregularities in the (heart) beat, but only when it
> is beating slow.

Very common syndrome. Yes, always when it's slow. My cardiologist described
it as a rough idle just as in a car engine. B.T.W. for those on the net
who may recall my earlier posts about my heart problems, the onset of these
things had nothing to do with it. It's a difference thing.

> These irregularities are like an extra beat or a
> beat that is way out of time.

Medical technicians will refer to these on EKG's as PVC's, premature
ventricular contractions. It's sort of a nervous twitch of the heart
muscle.

> Happens once or twice in 5 minuites a couple of times an hour but only
> sometimes (usually notice it in the evenings). I avoid caffeine which I
> have noticed makes this effect worse.

Right on target again. Causes are reactions to food and drugs like an
allergic reaction almost, and STRESS. The evenings are when you are just
plum tired and the day's stress has built to a max. It may just be a
sign of the onset of overtraining. Go to bed and sleep it off. Also learn
what other foods besides coffee might be doing it. And be careful with
drugs, even aspirin. Then again, an aspirin a day could make them go
away too. You have to experiment a bit.

> Anyone have any comments?

I first started to notice those things back in 1980 and went to an MD to
get it all checked out. EKG, Ultra-sound, stress test, whatever. Not a
problem, they said. These things are pretty common. I've since met many
(dozens) of runners who have experienced them. I still do get them and pay
them little notice. 

> (don't suggest I stop running)

Stop running? NEVER! You just need more rest, less coffee.
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: hweingra@.com (Howard Weingram)
Subject: Re: Running on cold, rainy days
Reply-To: hweingra@oracle.UUCP (Howard Weingram)
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:36:54 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Aug19.135122.22738@rtsg.mot.com> sagerian@delphinium.UUCP (Steve M. Sagerian) writes:
>From article <22926@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, by dguerrer@lyra.cel.scg.hac.com (Daniel Guerrero):
>> In article <1992Aug17.152308.2090@vu-vlsi.vill.edu> kmv@vu-vlsi.vill.edu (Kunal M. Varty) writes:
>>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>| Samir Misra (samir@kashi.med.upenn.edu) using Kunal's account.     |
>>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>
>>>What precautions are recommended before running on cold, rainy,
>>>or cold + rainy days? What clothes? I have been running fairly
>lots of stuff deleted..again
>> 
>I agree with you about the hat..its very important to keep your head covered and warm, But COTTON shirt??? Come ON! cotton does nothing to wick away sweat, it doesnt insulate when wet, it sucks for keeping the body anything but cold and wet. Get some poly
>propolyene or something even more high techish that 1. wicks the sweat away from the body and 2. provides some insulating properties.. and yes, do dress in layers. One other thing to remember is that people tend to over dress in cold weather (when wo
>out) that causes additional sweating and you could chill more quickly. Try different amounts of layering and observe how cold you are when you first start out and at the mid point of your workout. Its surprising how warm you can become.

Several good points! 
Samir, look into getting some good thermal underwear (will keep you warm even if
it gets a bit damp), a jacket that "breathes" well and definitely, definitely a hat.
That will keep you warmer than several layers of other clothing! 

Another thing to remember is that, whatever clothing you wear, make sure it is
loose enough so it doesn't cut off circulation to parts of your body. 

Finally, the other benefit of layering is that you can always take off/put on
layers as you warm up/cool down.

My knowledge of Dartmouth isn't all that complete, but to judge by other
parts of New England I think you'll be
concerned about snow more often than rain until spring rolls around again.
Maybe cross country skiing would be a good idea ;-) 

				hal

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton)
Subject: Re: Blood Pressure, Pulse, and running
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:14:48 GMT

In article <2245@bigfoot.first.gmd.de> wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang  
Koehler) writes:
> Of course, resting pulses of 70 to 80 are normal but not for runners 
> with good shape. (My resting pulse is about 40.) 
> 
> wolf

This reminded me of a question I meant to post: My resting pulse rate
is also in the low 40's (clocked as low as 39 but normally around 44).
However, I regularly get irregularities in the beat, but only when it
is beating slow. These irregularities are like an extra beat or a
beat that is way out of time. Happens once or twice in 5 minuites
a couple of times an hour but only sometimes (usually notice it
in the evenings). I avoid caffeine which I have noticed makes 
this effect worse. The more I run, the slower my heart beat gets
and the more I notice this effect. Anyone have any comments?
(don't suggest I quit running :)

Dave.
From: dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Sewell)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Good trail/road combo shoes
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:36:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I've just moved to a place at the edge of Tucson and on the border of
the National Forest.  There is some fine but steep and rocky trail
running here.  I've been doing it in my New Balance 677s but they're
really too light for it.

Some of the best loops combine trail and paved road in varying
proportions, so I'm wondering if there's a shoe that can handle both
(and rocky means ROCKY around here) satisfactorily.  Typical loop might
be 5 1/2 miles up trail, 4 miles down road.  

I'd appreciate advice from anyone who does this sort of combo runnning.


-- 
David Sewell, English Dept, U of Rochester   |  *************************
  dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu                 |  "Arizona -- it's not
  dsewell@violet.ccit.arizona.edu            |  Kansas and it never was."
  (On leave in Tucson, Arizona, '92-'93)     |  *************************
From: paulw@ieor-next1.Berkeley.EDU (Paul Worhach)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: San Francisco Marathon
Date: 27 Aug 1992 17:42:47 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: ieor-next1.berkeley.edu

Anyone out there with SF Marathon experience?  I'll be running it this Sunday,
and it will be my first.  Now that anything I've done in training for the last  
five months is academic, though I hope I'm well prepared, are there any race  
day pointers that might help get me through?  

Thanks
Paul

From: smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:00:21 GMT
Subject: Re: New York Times Article on Jazz 3000
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.running

I don't get it. Consumer Reports rates a product highly, the product is advertised with the facts of CR's rating, and CR and its readers get all upset. Big 
deal--if I was the mfger, I'd ignore it--unless I thought it would affect
CR's rating of my product in the future, inwhich case CR isn't very objective
anyway. What is CR's interest in not having their ratings mentioned by the
manufacturer, unless it was represented as an endorsement?


Incidentally, I find CR's ratings of running shoes truly bizarre. The most
durable shoe I ever found (going on 6 pairs--is this contradictory?) was
rated as having especially poor durability by CR. I can't fault their
objectivity, though--they just reported what happened on their wear
simulator.

cheers,
scott
From: kaz@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Karen Fegley)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Figuring out distances (et al)
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:11:17 GMT

Running folks --

I just wanted to say thanks to all the good folks who responded to
my novice questions, both in posts and as email.  There were LOTS
of good ideas.  It was very gracious of you all to share your
expertise with a newcomer.

Even though I have been running only for a short time, I have enjoyed
it a lot so far and I expect to continue to do so.  I am amazed at
how much I look forward to my (usually) daily run.

Thanks again,
Karen
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rcheng@torag.guild.org (Raymond Cheng)
Subject: Re: Figuring out distances (et al)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 15:12:15 GMT
Organization: Torag Public Access Unix, Toronto

In article <5945@transfer.stratus.com> kaz@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Karen Fegley) writes:
>     o  One thing that mystifies me is how, in the absence of mileage
>        signs, you figure out how far you have run.

   Well, since I'm also a cyclist, I just hop on my bike and ride the
route that I'm going to run. My bike has a computer, so it's no sweat
to figure out _exactly_ how far I'll be running if I take a particular
route (by reading the distance meter).

   Obviously, you don't have a computer-equipped bike. However, any
semi-serious cyclist will most likely have a computer on his bike, so
ask one of your cyclist friends if you can use his/her bike.

   Of course, if all that fails, a computer only costs about $25 for
a bare-bones one (without cadence meter). Not that I'd consider
getting a computer if all I owned was some department-store clunker.

   Hope this helps.

-- 
     ...Cheng

rcheng@torag.guild.org
rcheng@torag.uucp
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: The Bible of running ...?
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:32:12 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <5700030@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>, smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay) writes:
> Are you sure it wasn't "the Lore of Running" by Tim Noakes (Ithink). It
> seems like the closest thing to the bible of running to me.
> 
> scott 

Amen to that.
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: tachaimov@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov)
Subject: TAC # needed for Boston: Summary
Reply-To: tachaimov@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov)
Organization: Amoco Production Company
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:56:52 GMT

Thanks mucho, folks, for your numerous
responses to my question.  The resounding
answer is YES, YES, YES!  I do need a TAC
number in order to run Boston.  Now all I need
is a qualifying time....

Tom


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jeanne@flopn2.dseg.ti.com (Jeanne Christman)
Subject: Running Clubs in Rochester, NY 
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:00:30 GMT

     I will be moving to Rochester, NY in two weeks and am interested in joining
a running club.  Does anyone know of any?  If so, who can I contact?

Thanks in advance,
Jeanne Christman
From: raym@runner.asd.sgi.com (Raymond Mascia)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: New York Times Article on Jazz 3000
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:56:58 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I read Consumer Reports, and take them with a grain of salt.

Owen Anderson just published a study on shoes and said that
they compressed considerably in fairly short order. The
polyurethane out performing EVA. Yet Consumers picks the
Saucony 3000, an EVA midsole, as long wearing. Further-more 
Consumer's test show no permanent compression. Apparently
their runners are very light on their running feet.

My personal experience goes with Owen Anderson. I find that
Nike Skylon, with a little polyurethane and a lot of gas, do
do not take any permanent compression under the midsole long
after the rest of the shoe is worn out.

In article <5700029@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>, smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay) writes:
|> I don't get it. Consumer Reports rates a product highly, the product is advertised with the facts of CR's rating, and CR and its readers get all upset. Big 
|> deal--if I was the mfger, I'd ignore it--unless I thought it would affect
|> CR's rating of my product in the future, inwhich case CR isn't very objective
|> anyway. What is CR's interest in not having their ratings mentioned by the
|> manufacturer, unless it was represented as an endorsement?
|> 
|> 
|> Incidentally, I find CR's ratings of running shoes truly bizarre. The most
|> durable shoe I ever found (going on 6 pairs--is this contradictory?) was
|> rated as having especially poor durability by CR. I can't fault their
|> objectivity, though--they just reported what happened on their wear
|> simulator.
|> 
|> cheers,
|> scott
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: Soda Pop
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:57:06 GMT

mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:
>hweingra@oracle.UUCP (Howard Weingram) writes:
>>lamontg@milton.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist) writes:
>>>Of course the sweet taste will cause you to start producing insulin but
>>>w/o raising your glucose level...
>I don't believe that artificial sweeteners affect insulin production.

They do because the *taste* triggers the release of insulin.  This is
the whole idea behind why people were theorizing that artificial
sweetners would actually cause appetite stimulation -- insulin release
with no addition of glucose.

>>Is this what causes me to really need to urinate soon after drinking
>>a diet soda?

I have no idea if the insulin release would cause this.

>No, the caffiene is a diuretic.

Certainly thats probably enough to explain it with caffienated drinks.
I don't know what might cause it with uncaffienated drinks...
From: kaz@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Karen Fegley)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Figuring out distances (et al)
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:15:34 GMT

Running folks --

I am a VERY new runner who has just discovered this newsgroup, which
looks useful even if some of the topics are a little advanced for me.
I do have a few novice questions that I am hoping you experienced
runners can help me with.

     o  One thing that mystifies me is how, in the absence of mileage
        signs, you figure out how far you have run.  Do you start with
        the length of time you ran and work backwards to the mileage?
        If so, how do you compensate for differences in terrain, for
        example running track versus city streets versus low rolling
        hills?  (I live in Boston (Dorchester) and commute to work in
        Marlborough, and all of these are potential routes for me.)

     o  I would like to do some reading on running.  A coworker who
        also runs has loaned me on her copy of Jim Fixx's "The Complete
        Book of Running" as a starting point.  Are there other books
        that you would recommend?  (I do plan to print and read the
        updated running FAQ that will be posted next week.)

     o  I assume that there must be some specialty stores in the
        metropolitan Boston area that focus on runners; i.e., runners'
        supplies, clothing, shoes, equipment, books (as opposed to
        athletic shoe/equipment stores with a multisport focus.)  Any
        recommendations?

Any info will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Karen
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: HADCUJEK@admin.uh.edu (Julia E. Kosatka)
Subject: American Volksmarch Association
Organization: University of Houston Support Services
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:50:23 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

I realize that I'm posting this to a running group, but I couldn't find a 
walking group.  :-) 

Does anyone out there have any information about the American Volksmarch
Association (I *think* that's the correct name)?  The person I'm posting
this for used to have the address, but has lost it.  If you have the address
(or know how he could find it), please e-mail the info to me.  Please don't
post it, because I don't read this group.

Thanks in advance for the info...and for your tolerance. :-)

Julia Kosatka
University of Houston

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From: lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: HELP!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:48:01 GMT
Organization: Happyville, USA

I used to able to run a 5 minute mile my freshman year of high school
but, I quit running and I have run much in about 5 years (sorry!).  But,
I thought I kept active enough cycling occasionally (OK, I didn't cycle
that much), playing volleyball (quite a bit), and play alot of other
miscellaneous sports.

But, I ran a mile yesterday and it took me 6 minutes and 15 seconds
(ouch!!).  I need to get to the point where I can run 1.5 miles in less
than 9 minutes - - - soon!!!

This is for a mandatory fitness class here at college.  So, what is the
quickest way to get back into shape?

Thanx alot for any advice!

-CRUSH

e
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: AACK!!!
Keywords: stupid, stupid, stupid
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 17:46:44 GMT

My killfile did it's job on a response to my plea for info on glycerol
and sweating.  Could the poster please repost, or better yet, email
that posting to me.  Thanks a bunch!
From: tad10@ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Dickinson)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Galloway's Marathon Schedule
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:10:32 GMT
Reply-To: tad10@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Has anyone followed Jeff Galloway's marathon training
schedule and successfully run a marathon?  His plan
appeals to me, but I've heard that no one uses it more
than once.  I'm currently 10 weeks into his 30 week
training plan and would like to know if it really
does work well.  

His plan calls for long runs on alternate Sundays that
increase in mileage up to marathon distance.  You run
26 miles three weeks before the marathon and taper down
for the race.  I'm concerned about recovering in 
time for the marathon, but it appeals to me to cover
the distance in training before race day.

I also like his idea of cutting your long run mileage in 
half on alternate weeks (your long runs for the last
several weeks would be ...18,9,20,10,22,11,24,12,26,13 for
example) to give your body plenty of rest, but I'm not
sure it provides enough overall mileage for a successful
marathon.

What'da think?


Terry Dickinson     tad10@ccc.amdahl.com      
Amdahl Corporation  Houston, TX
From: JGATOWSK@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: BAA info request
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:00:45 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs


Could someone please post (or e-mail to me) the address and telephone
number of the BAA.

Thanks in advance.

Jan Gatowski



Newsgroups: rec.running
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: San Francisco Marathon
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:38:55 GMT

In article <17j46nINNn4n@agate.berkeley.edu> paulw@ieor-next1.Berkeley.EDU (Paul Worhach) writes:
>Anyone out there with SF Marathon experience?  I'll be running it this Sunday,
>and it will be my first.  Now that anything I've done in training for the last  
>five months is academic, though I hope I'm well prepared, are there any race  
>day pointers that might help get me through?  

I ran a couple there.
Check if there are small hills near the end.
After one hits the wall, a ten foot hill can feel like a mountain.

Also when I hit the wall, I start losing thermal regulation.
So a pleasant fog causes first stage hypothermia or a slightly warm sun
induces first stage heatstroke in me.
Know what these are, so you can be prepared to seek help if these become
serious.

Also urban marathons tend to run almost entirely on cement, which can be a
problem for people who train on softer surfaces.  If this is the case,
your ankles and knees may be unusally sore for a few days.  It is inadvisable
to try something extra stressful like long runs or wieghtlifting in this
condition.
From: rns@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Rick Schubert)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: TAC # needed for Boston?
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:18:02 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In <1992Aug21.181854.4087@hou.amoco.com> tachaimov@hou.amoco.com (Tom Chaimov) writes:

>Do I *need* a TAC # in order to run Boston,
>or will just a qualifying time do?  I don't want
>to run a qualifying time just to find out I
>forgot to do some paper work.

I'm surprised that I haven't seen an answer to this one yet.  Maybe we're
not getting all the news here.

Unless they've changed things in the past few years, yes, you do need a
TAC # to run Boston.  You don't need it for your qualifying race, but
you do need a TAC # when you apply for entry.  I think that the BAA might
even send you an application for TAC when they send you the race entry
form.

-- Rick Schubert (rick.schubert@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM)
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