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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
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Date: 25 Jan 1993 16:41:30 -0600
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The thing about Schittke's statement that what he has  been talking
about is as old as the sun.  Bartok, Stravinsky, Ives have all drawn on
folk source material.  Mahler too, I believe.  You probably could go
further back, but my music history is not so hot there. Duke Ellington would 
have his Far East Suites, Latin America Suites, Afro Eurasian Eclipse
and the Nutcracker.  Duke is doing quite a bit different today.  He is
not trying to mimic a style, he just would dig the sound on one of his
tours, and let the impressions come out in his writing. 
Gershwin had his folk, pop and classical influences, and Arnold Schoenberg 
raved about Gershwin's
accomplishments.

They are doing it today, but it has its own style.  They call it
postmodern.  Schnittke and Zorn are both from the same era in this
regard.  BTW, I am told that Zorn has the biggest record collection in
the universe.  No way you could stump him in a blindfold test.

Jeff
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From:         Jovino Borret <PRJVVB@BRUERJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Informations about Irish group "Fruupp"



I Would like to get more informations about Irish group "FRUUPP".
I think it is one of the best Progressive Rock group. It has four records
issued :

     1 - FUTURE LEGENDS (1973).
     2 - PRINCE OF HEAVEN EYES (1974).
     3 - SEVEN SECRETS (1974).
     4 - MODERN MASQUERADES (1975).

         MEMBERS : PETER FARELLY (1,2,3,4).
                   STEPHEN HOUSTON (1,2,3).
                   VINCE MCCUSKER (1,2,3,4).
                   MARTIN FOYE (1,2,3,4).
                   JOHN MASON (4).
                   IAN MCDONALD (4).

      Also, I would like to exchange CD's of Progressive Rock and Folk
      by CD's of Brazilian Music (Samba, Popular, Rock...)
         Besides "FRUUPP" my favorites bands are :

      1 - GENTLE GIANT         6 - HOELDERLIN
      2 - SOFT MACHINE         7 - PELL MELL
      3 - GNIDROE LOG          8 - ATOLL
      4 - STEELEYE SPAN        9 - GARYBALDI
      5 - AGITATION FREE      10 - POPOL VUH

  THANKS...

     ......JOVINO BORRET.....RIO DE JANEIRO.....
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:51:42 +0000
From:         "Out,
              out - you'll not feel the fall-out..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Technonerdophilia

Paul Heroy says:

>I don't remember the exact math, but every bit basically adds 6 dB to the
>range, giving a nominal 96 dB range for 16 bits. How then do most CD players
>claim a dynamic range of over 100 dB??? (Actually this is legitimate and
>depends on the way you measure noise, or something like that.)

        The decibel is defined as 20*log(Aout/Ain), where Aout is the out-
put signal amplitude, Ain the input signal amplitude and the log is taken
in base 10. In general, Aout and Ain need only be amplitudes of comparable
signals -- you're not always dealing with the *same* signal processed.
        In binary, if you shift a signal one bit left, you actually double
its amplitude (ex: 1000 --> 16, 10000 --> 32), thus Aout/Ain = 2 and

        20*log(2) = 20*0.301 = 6.02 dB.

        If you have 16 bits, the maximum amplitude is 2^16 (minus 1, to be
precise, but let's forget), and the minimum *significant* amplitude is 1.
So:

        20*log(2^16) = 20*4.816 = 96.33 dB.

        Sticking to the original definition of dB, there's little one can do
to push this further. Oversampling may be the key to this...?

        Ciao, Marconerd

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   Heard an odd thing on NPR today:  Peter Scnittke(sp?), aka PDQ Bach,
wrote some of the music for the musical Oh Calcutta (remembered for
it's nudity more than anything else).

   If Alternative is *not* mainstream, then what is?

   And, hey newbie!  Perry Como?!!!  :-)

   Sonia Psychedelic:  Think psyche for that psyche. sound.  The sound of
multi-colored thoughts accelerating around inside your heard (that's a typo,
I meant head, but I like heard better), occasionally escaping to bounce gently
in space, then to scream away at light-speed, laughing hysterically.  The
sound of extreme detachment and extreme attachment.....A thick, distorted,
fuzzy guitar sound helps too :-)  If you don't mind getting too mystically-eyed,

it's the sound of tapping into the energy of the universe, sort of along
the line of New Age music :-)  Everybody now.....NOT!

  Whew, time for some air.

Russ
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:22:33 EDT
From:         DMG@IMAGESYS.COM
Subject:      PianoSaurus

    Hi,

    All this talk of cheesy bands that might not be bringd to mind PianoSaurus.
These are a bunch of guys and girls who perform their entire show on toy
instruments. The strange part is that they actually sound great. Some of the
instruments they used were a toy piano, a xylophone and a rattle. They opened
up for Jonathan Richman a couple of years ago. Anybody know if they have an
album or anything??.

                                    Dave
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   There's a guy in lab nearby that's sanding something (loud), listening
to Phil Collins (loud) and singing really terribly (loud).  I don't think
he realizes that the doors are muting everything *except* his singing,
which is ringing clearly through the halls.  Pretty comical.  The tune is
some sappy slow PC standard.  Wait, he's attracting a crowd.....

Russ
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:43:48 EST
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Russ's voice
              "mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU" at Jan 28, 93 1:13 am

> Russ, I'm sure you know by now that I believe that anyone can be taught/
> trained to sing, at least on pitch. Most people confuse the "ability to
> sing" with the subjective quality of each person's voice. There are many
> people who can keep pitch, follow a harmony part and blend into a chorus,
> but who simply do not have what the current musical scene considers to be
> an attractive voice. Similarly, there are people, including both of my
> ex-boyfriends, who never learned to carry a tune vocally, who have lovely
> tonal quality to both their singing and speaking voices. You CAN sing, you
> just don't think you can. Agreed, you may never sing a solo at the Met, but
> you could be trained well enough to sing in the chorus....
>
> I'm sure I'm inviting lots of comment here - I welcome it!
>
> Marsha, who some people continue to insist has a decent voice quality....
>


Yeah Marsha, great topic!  My WHOLE life I wanted to sing but felt too shy to
try, but finally I learned how to chant Torah recently and discovered I really
do have a strong, clear (and so people say) beautiful singing voice, i.e.
CHANTING voice.  But singing is much harder... it's harder to sing than chant
for some reason, even though chanting is melodic.

And my SPEAKING voice makes me downright sick.  How about some advice, hon?

Sonia
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:39:36 EST
From:         John M <LIBJRM@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Yusuf Cat Islam Stevens

Mike sez:

>Also, does anyone know what's going on lately with Yusuf Islam (aka
>Cat Stevens)?  Did you know that Peter Gabriel played flute on
>"Katmandu"?  _Mona Bone Jakon_ is a great album.  Stevens has such a
>great storytelling/singing voice.  Put out in 1970!  Paul Samwell-Smith
>did an excellent job at producing this album.  "Troubled" leaves
>chills up and down my spine.  Iff (IF and only IF) Yusuf Islam ever
>came back out to play some of his old tunes, who would go to see him?
>I would certainly be there.  That whole "scandal" with the Rushdie
>thing doesn't bother me at all.  In the end, it's his music I want to hear.
>It touched me.

Well, lessee...
I've been into the Cat man for quite a while...way before I got around to
seeing what has become one of my favorite movies of all time, Harold and
Maude. Anyway, he made alot of great music, IMHO, and some shitty stuff as
well. What struck me about his stance on the Ayatollah's death threat was
the seeming contradiction between the (apparent) message of his music and
his vehement approval of offing some (until then) obscure novelist for the
heinous crime of creating a scenario in which the name of Almighty Allah
was besmirched. Maybe I was way off base, but his music gave me the
impression that he was a reasonable, sort of pacifist kind of guy.
'Course, if he ever came out and played anywhere again, I'd probably go
see him anyway. I'm not holding my breath.

-John M
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:53:25 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      phil wannabee

   There's a guy in lab nearby that's sanding something (loud), listening
to Phil Collins (loud) and singing really terribly (loud).  I don't think
he realizes that the doors are muting everything *except* his singing,
which is ringing clearly through the halls.  Pretty comical.  The tune is
some sappy slow PC standard.  Wait, he's attracting a crowd.....

Russ
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:54:24 -0400
From:         Kyle Legate <9013118@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Jello Biafra

As far as I know, Jello is busy producing music for Alternative Tentacles
and making new spoken word for Clinton. He's also focusing a lot of attention
on his band, Lard, which also contains Paul Barker from Ministry.
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Tim:

>   Uh oh.  Looks like Ilia wants a job as one of the bouncers....

Nah, just trying to show Marco that I won't deprive him from his
'friendliest' Allmusic award. Bhah. Actually, the real reason is
I just had a four-hours chemistry lab - mixing some supid
liquids in order to create a new one - really depressing stuff. As
some members of the list would say, it's all chemistry. :)

      Ilia.
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:05:34 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More catagorization horror stories

>     The real tragedy is that the white audience required watered down
> versions of black music.  They just couldn't handle the raw sounds
> that we think are so hot today.  But isn't that always the way?
> Isn't rock 'n' roll just watered down blues mixed with a little
> gospel?

Hell, no, it isn't. Maybe you're thinking of Pat Boone whitebread cover
versions of Little Richard tunes. Chuck Berry, Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl
Perkins, Buddy Holly, Little Richard, the Coasters, and on and on...
watered down? No way.

I would also like to take this opportunity to personally congratulate
Tim Johnson for his clear, articulate defense of the English language in
the face of those (primarily in academia) who would submerge its meanings
in the sewers of relativism.

And I'd like to remind Scott that it's pointless to blame "capitalism" for
killing the good bookstore; people, fortunately or unfortunately, buy what
they want. If they want to be ignorant and buy junk, that's what they'll do.
No law can change that, and there SHOULDN'T be one attempting to try.

David

"Awful serious this morning, huh?"
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From:         "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Psycho Chicken

   By the Young Adults... Power Tools are not a toy.




                                   - Drummer -
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Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:02:04 GMT
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In a previous article, HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET (Paul Heroy) says:

>To wit, I was serenaded by some lads in a band calling itself 'Goober and
>the Peas', which played a delightful ditty called 'Hot Women, Cold Beer'.

  If I'm not mistaken (and you know, I often am) this band hails from
Lexington, KY... just down the road from good ol' Mo'haid. I've never seen
or heard 'em, but I've seen plenty of handbills stapled to telephone poles
along S. Limestone St. with this band's name, so it must be true.
  Re: Cool beans:  I think it's an Ohio thing. Seems like all the Buckeyes
here in Kentucky say it... and say it *incessantly*.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Carol a while ago wrote:

>She tore up a picture of Joey Buttafuco...   ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ha ha  classic.

        "She" is obviously Madonna -- and the tear-up-thing news made it to this

confused land, too. Is there anyone who would inform this ignorant guy that I
am who is Joey Buttafuco? I suppose he's very famous if he had to stand in the
place of the Pope, but I've never heard of him on these shores...

        Thanks in advance,
        Ciao, Marco

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   Heard an odd thing on NPR today:  Peter Scnittke(sp?), aka PDQ Bach,
wrote some of the music for the musical Oh Calcutta (remembered for
it's nudity more than anything else).

   If Alternative is *not* mainstream, then what is?

   And, hey newbie!  Perry Como?!!!  :-)

   Sonia Psychedelic:  Think psyche for that psyche. sound.  The sound of
multi-colored thoughts accelerating around inside your heard (that's a typo,
I meant head, but I like heard better), occasionally escaping to bounce gently
in space, then to scream away at light-speed, laughing hysterically.  The
sound of extreme detachment and extreme attachment.....A thick, distorted,
fuzzy guitar sound helps too :-)  If you don't mind getting too mystically-eyed,



it's the sound of tapping into the energy of the universe, sort of along
the line of New Age music :-)  Everybody now.....NOT!

  Whew, time for some air.

Russ
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:58:02 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Psycho Chicken
              21 Jan 1993 17:46:40 +0000 from <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA>

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:46:40 +0000 Out, out - you'll not feel the fall-out... sa
>>what instrument is the STRANGEST instrument you have ever heard
>>in a song, and which song was it featured in?
>
>        A chicken, in "Psycho Chicken", a parody of "Psycho Killer" (Talking
>Heads) featured by can't-remember-who.

Thank you, Marco, for prompting my annual remembering of this song! (Any
more frequently would probably be unhealthy, but more fun :-) My high school
station played this occasionally, and it always cracked me up, even though
I'd never even heard the Talking Heads song at the time. I'll never forget
the chorus:

Psycho chicken...
Run away!
...
Psycho chicken,
Chasing me around!
Bawk bawk bawk BAWWWKKK!

Was it the Trogs? I can never remember. Anyway, hilarious!

Paul

P.S. Enjoyed your post on your trip here, Marco! Sounds like you had a really
wonderful time - I'm jealous :-) (I love S.F. too)
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:55:10 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Timothy Leary
              15 Jan 1993 10:45:53 EST from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS. OHIO-STATE.EDU>

On Fri, 15 Jan 1993 10:45:53 EST Sonia Kovitz said:
>>
>> Ken sed:
>>
>> >>   If I don't reply to mail, you'll know I'm not
>> >>being uppity.
>> >>
>> >>Sonia
>> >
>> >Lessee. . . if you *do* reply to mail, then you *are being uppity?  (-:
>>
>> no... no... dearest kenny baby poopsie,
>>
>> ~A -> ~B is not equivalent to A -> B... it is equivalent to B -> A though, so
>> that means that if sonia *is* being uppity then she is replying to her mail..
>.
>> the case exists where sonia could be replying to her mail and is not uppity a
>nd
>> this would make your statement logically false (though intuitively, most peop
>le
>> would think it mean the same fucking thing).
>>
This can be so iff one allows oneself to be trammeled by that old Aristotelian
2-valued thing--how mundane (-:
>
>don't ever believe anything Sonia says.
>
Yer a little late with that one, Sonia, my little choux-fleur (-:
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From:         Thomas Andrew Bates <780@ef.gc.maricopa.edu>
Subject:      Peter Gabriel

I was wondering if anybody here know when Peter Gabriel is going to tour
in the US.

(I still never hear about him touring, just him going to other countries!)

Thanks!

Thomas Bates
780@ef.gc.maricopa.edu
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>"That Deborah Gibson quote has got to be one of the most profound things
>I've ever heard.  Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha........ *snort*!  %-}
>                             - Libby Doe (_Between the Sheets_)

 "Sounded like so much rubbish to me."

                               -Tim (_Sanitation Engineering_)


  "I laughed, I cried"

                      -Tim's sensitive side, bursting out
                       (anyone can have an evil twin, how
                        many of y'all have sensitive new
                        age guy twins?)

omc:  disguised.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:24:00 EST
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Subject:      Goober and the Peas

>From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>

>To wit, I was serenaded by some lads in a band calling itself 'Goober and
>the Peas', which played a delightful ditty called 'Hot Women, Cold Beer'.
>The boys in the band sounded as if they'd had a bit of the latter, but little
>of the former (perhaps the motivation for forming a musical ensemble?) But
>to address the raison d'etre for this paragraph, it was Fun Stuff. I enjoyed
>the lead singer: his voice was full, throaty, and powerful, but with a
>delightful lyric quality and much nicer range than I expect for this sort
>of band, which could have been playing their humorous, basic guitar rock in a
>pub near you. Further investigation revealed that their debut CD is entitled
>"The Complete Works Of". With confidence and optimism like that, how can they
>possibly miss the big time?

Well, if they stay in East Lansing, they're doomed. 8-(

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:57:00 EST
From:         John M <LIBJRM@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Legumes

Paul H. sez:
>To wit, I was serenaded by some lads in a band calling itself 'Goober and
>the Peas', which played a delightful ditty called 'Hot Women, Cold Beer'.

and Jeff P. guesses:

> If I'm not mistaken (and you know, I often am) this band hails from
>Lexington, KY... just down the road from good ol' Mo'haid. I've never seen
>or heard 'em, but I've seen plenty of handbills stapled to telephone poles

Well, Jeff, I'm afraid this is one of the times that you're mistaken. A band
I was in last year played a gig with Goober and the Peas here in Atlanta for
the New South Music Showcase. They're from Detroit, actually. They're a scream
in person, lemme tell ya - sort of a parody of themselves. They've got those
Nashville glitter-encrusted suits with the big ol' treble clefs and other
neato designs on 'em, mondo 10-gallon hats, and a deadpan delivery of some of
the most hilarious redneck-on-acid cry-in-your-beer sorta tunes I've ever come
across. They bring their own bags of hay on stage so they have lots to throw
around (no shit).

Go see 'em when and if you get the chance if the above sounds like something
you'd enjoy. I still laugh every time I think about 'em.

-JM
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