HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Do I have to clear DOS partition?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 12:09:28 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: Linux, Install

waardenb@cs.utwente.nl (Jerry van Waardenberg) writes:

>Hi,

>I'm just new to this newsgroup and this is probably a FAQ, but anyway:

>I have a harddisk with C: and D: DOS partitions and I want to install Linux
>on the D-partition. Can I install Linux *WITHOUT* removing the data from
>DOS partition C:? (I know when I run the DOS fdisk program, all data on all
>partitions will be lost. Is this also true for the Linux fdisk program?)

>Can someone mail me a FAQ list?

>Thanx!

>Jerry

As long as you don't have to repartition your drive, the dos stuff on 
C: should be fine. I would make a backup just to be safe though. With the
fdisk from linux, you can change the id on the partition without changing
the partition tables. This would allow fdisk from linux to correctly 
identify your linux partition. 

You will have to do an mkfs on your old D: drive to make it work with 
linux though, so make sure nothing is on there that you need before doing
this. 

I am emailing you the FAQ also.

James

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: dalew@twiki.UUCP (Dale Weber)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Help!  X11 and Paradise 512K Card
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:15:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: twiki.5JT5TB4w165w
Organization: Wafflemania Unlimited - Portland, OR USA

beethovn@ai.mit.edu (Ian S Eslick) writes:

> I have a ViewSonic 6E, and a Paradise 512K Vga
> card and have been having a real problem with
> my Xconfig settings getting X to run.

  Do you have the VGA@1024 variety of this adapter by chance?  I ask
because this is what I have at present.  I'm not even going to bother
installing X-Windows if there is no hope of it working with my current
video adapter.  I hope to get a SpeedStar 24X next month though, which I'm
hoping will be better supported.

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From: stewart@wimsey.bc.ca (Jim Stewart)
Subject: Re: Free UNIX for sale
Organization: BC News and Mail
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:36:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.162315.26780@klaava.Helsinki.FI> torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds) writes:
>       [...stuff about the joys of free software deleted...] 
> ... Hey, I might
>no get rich on linux, but I'm certainly being poor with style, eh?
                                                               ^^^^
Linus! you ARE a Canadaian !!! ... this .fi stuff is just to keep the
press from hounding you... right? 
>
>		Linus

js  from_C_eh?_N_eh?_D_eh?_:)
From: st1mb@elroy.uh.edu (Supernaw-Issen, Daniel A.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: recompiling emacs
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:03:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: elroy.11NOV199211031076
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


I just installed l98pl4 obviously this broke my emacs and other programs.
I grabbed the source for emacs but I for the life of me, don't understand
how to compile the beast.  The README file mentioned setting $EMACS to 
something and $BUILD to something else.  First, I don't understant what 
they mean - that is, what directories they are talking about. Second, how
do I set $EMACS and $BUILD ???? I am truely and utterly confused.  Seriouly
considered going back to l98pl3 till such a time that there is a new SLS
or MCC release.  Any ideas???  I'd much appreciate it.

Daniel
From: njs@watson.ibm.com (Nick Simicich)
Subject: Re: Linux - the future? [really: TeX flames]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:12:17 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <peterd.721323574@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com> peterd@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers) writes:
>keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith) writes:
>
>>Hmm,  I know a *LOT* of secretaries.  Not one of which has ever even
>>*THOUGHT* of doing any mathmatics typesetting. 

[....]

>Of course there are secretaries out there who typeset mathematics -
>they just happen to work for people who write papers or textbooks that
>require mathematics typesetting. You don't think the chairman of the
>math department at your local college types his papers himself, do
>you? 
>
>As a data point, someone I know who is a secretary for a professor at
>MIT does do mathematical typesetting, and uses TeX for it. It may be
>complicated, but it's simpler than the alternatives.

I have a friend who used to make her living as a mathametical typist,
freelancing typing papers and thesises (sp? thesi?) for folks before
TeX.  (She used a Selectric with symbol typeballs, and also presapply
transfer symbol sheets, and some hand drawing...)  I showed her LaTeX
and equation typing stuff, and she knew why she was not getting that
sort of work anymore, but she wasn't real impressed.  Recently, I
showed her the Word-for-Windows equation editor, and she was a lot more
impressed.

Secretaries around here who use Unix workstations use Frame or
Interleaf.  Or they use OS/2 and one of the wysiwyg products.  But
before workstations, and before PCs, most of them used GML, on IBM
Script, on the mainframes.

I think that the answer is that Secretaries may be smarter and more
adaptable than many folks give them credit for.


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bhenning@wimsey.bc.ca (Bill Henning)
Subject: Re: Good/bad 14.4 modems?
Organization: BC News and Mail
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:50:35 GMT

US Robotics Courier v32bis.... rock solid, dependable, fast, etc.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: nickh@calvin.edu (Nick Hengeveld)
Subject: 0.98pl4 and rsh anyone?
Reply-To: nickh@calvin.edu
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:41:36 GMT

The only thing my current linux system is missing to make my world absolutely
perfect is a working version of rsh.  The one I've got chokes on the call to
rcmd with an unknown host error.  I think the problem has to do with the version
of rcmd in my libc.a, and not in rsh.c.  Does anyone out there have this combination
working, and would you be able to point me in the right direction?

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From: ktompkin@pilot.njin.net (Ken Tompkins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Am I Dead? Erased Inittab Problem!
Keywords: inittab
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:37:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In trying to install Steve Robbins gettyps203, I got into an endless uugetty
loop. In my panic and with the screen rolling out of control, I either
erased/mv-ed inittab. Now linux won't boot because it can't find
inittab. Tell me that there is a way around this and that my linux hasn't
died.

ken tompkins
stockton state college
From: purtill@idacrd.UUCP (Mark Purtill)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: linux on an AMD-386/40?
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:20:27 GMT
Organization: idacrd, princeton, nj

purtill@idacrd.UUCP (Mark Purtill--hey, that's me) writes:
>	Has anyone got linux to work on a machine using the AMD 386/40 
>clone chip?  (etc.)
	I've been inundated with responses that say "yes it works".
Of the twenty responses, there was only one report of a problem:
Clifford A Adams <uunet!polaris.unm.edu!caadams> reported that the
OPTI 386WB motherboards used with 3-chips SIMMS caused "general
protection" faults under linux, although turning off the external
cache solved with problem (with a 30% loss of protection).
	Thanks to everyone who responded.

^.-.^ Mark Purtill, purtill@ccr-p.ida.org || purtill%idacrd@uunet.uu.net
((")) \@_: IDA/CCR-P, Thanet Road, Princeton NJ  08540;  (609) 924-4600.
Alternate email: purtill%idacrd@princeton.edu UUCP: uunet!idacrd!purtill

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: pitzel@ug.cs.dal.ca (brad John pitzel)
Subject: Need Help with Mount!!
Originator: root@ug.cs.dal.ca
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:31:01 GMT


Anyone had this experience?? I'm trying to install linux using
bootimage 0.98 and rootimage 0.97  The installation process proceeds
nicely until I attempt to:

mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt

To which linux responds 'Segmentation Fault' and a nice core dump.
I have tried manual installation, tried using the installation scripts
included in rootimage, tried parititioning /dev/hdb different ways, etc..

mkfs -c /dev/hdb1 (size) works fine.  Its just that darn mount command.


Both my drives (hda, hdb) are IDE drives.  I've got a ordinary 386 clone,
4 megs ram. Since hda is one dos partition, I also tried:

mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /dos

but that returns with "Segmentation Fault" too.. Arrgghhh!!

Any suggestions???

Thanks..



(no .sig 'till linux works)
From: cs2@doc.ic.ac.uk (Christopher Stuart)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Make gives segmentation fault when compiling LILO.
Date: 9 Nov 1992 22:37:42 -0000
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak9.doc.ic.ac.uk
Summary: My make doesn't work properly.
Keywords: Make, LILO.

Bit of a problem when I try to compile LILO (think it's version 6). No matter
what I do (i.e. 'make clean', 'make depend') it gives a segmentation fault.
Anyone had a similar problem? Is it my version of make (latest SLS distrib.)?
If it is my version of make, then could someone point me to the source for one
that works correctly.

Many thanks to Linus et al.


Chris.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: corsini@geocub.greco-prog.fr (Marc-Michel CORSINI)
Subject: FAQ next release
Reply-To: corsini@geocub.greco-prog.fr (Marc-Michel CORSINI)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:03:28 GMT


Hi Linuxers !

The next release of the Linux FAQ should be out in a week.

To all the FAQ contributors. Please send me ur copy

merci
marc
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: martin@cs.UAlberta.CA (Tim Martin; FSO; Soil Sciences)
Subject: Warning: using old stat() call. Recompile binary.
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:36:45 GMT

My attempts to compile the latest Linux have not been very 
successful.  With patch level 4 I get the following error
several times, for each disk access command I enter:
  Warning: using old stat() call.  Recompile binary.

This warning line is found in the fs/stat.c code, in a
function called "old_stat_call()".

I didn't get this error with patch level 3, assumably because
I use a Minix file system, and in the patch 3 stat.c code the
error statement is
  Warning: using old stat() call on bigfs.

Question: what binary/binaries am I to recompile? One problem
is that I may have pieces from as far back as Linux 0.11.

System characteristics:
gcc 2.2.2d7, lib4.1, poeigl1.7, admutl1.4, minix file system,
X11 (I forget which but I am not running it when the errors
are observed), tcp parts compiled and wd8003 ethernet board
present and recognized on bootup, lilo boot.

I want patch level 4 so I can start exploring the tcp/ip
software.

Other errors still not solved, not found with 0.98 but
introduced with 0.98p3 and 0.98p4:

1. "* substitution" no longer works.  This is not corrected
   by "unset noglob".

2. The following error notice occurs on all logins (root or
   otherwise) and prevents the login from putting me in the
   home directory.  (I can cd to the home directory after,
   no problem.)
    shell-init: getwd: cannot access parent directories.
   The same error occurs occasionally during other disk
   accesses, sometimes without the "shell-init" prefix.
   This is not corrected by "chmod 755 /".

Tim.

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  University of Alberta        *      My employer has none!
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: lord@hemlock.cray.com (Steve Lord)
Subject: Re: Anybody have syslogd working?
Originator: lord@hemlock
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:37:18 CST



I have a modified syslogd which can use unix domain sockets as well as
internet ones. I have also been working on getting it to read messages
produced by the kernel and record those as well by using the syslog
system call. It does work (including the kernel messages), but I am not
too happy with the implementation - I had to fork a second copy of syslogd
to read from the kernel (because I don't think I can detect changes to the
kernel log via select).

Is there a way of detecting kernel messages via select?

I will clean up the code a little and upload it (tomorrow I hope). No
guarantees on the kernel logging part of it, it does seem to work, but I
haven't tried stressing it.


Steve

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rich@falcon.engr.utk.edu (Steve Rich)
Subject: as86
Keywords: assembler
Reply-To: rich@falcon.engr.utk.edu (Steve Rich)
Organization: Computer Vision & Robotics, U.T. Knoxville
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:36:00 GMT

I noticed that the bootstrapper for linux is written in 8086 mode
and that as86 is used to assemble it. I haven't found anything in
gas about that capability, so could somebody tell me where it came
from? Whether or not it's a port of gas, etc? Thanks. E-mail's fine.


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From: cflatter@nrao.edu (Chris Flatters)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Which Shell to Use?
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:55:12 GMT
Reply-To: cflatter@nrao.edu
Organization: NRAO

In article 8310@microsoft.com, satishc@microsoft.com (Satish Chittamuru) writes:
>BTW, how does one accomplish file name completion in bash. An ESC
>used to do it in ksh, but I haven't been able to do it in bash. 

TAB will do --- just like emacs.

	Chris Flatters
	cflatter@nrao.edu
From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: tip  and  cu  for  linux
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:54:25 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <BxLFt3.7wA@ais.org> lcd@ais.org (Leon Dent) writes:
>If there was a mailpak directory, instead of a "file", all the pieces
>that are ready could already be made available.  Then just new and 
>updated programs could be uploaded/downloaded.

This is how mailpak is on sunsite, in /pub/Linux/system/Mail/mailpak-1.3.

If there are bug fixes for those programs or additions I will be glad
to include, them, just include a short note (or mail me a note) that
the program belongs in mailpak.

jem.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: gauderer@t524i0.ira.uka.de (Patric Gauderer)
Subject: lucid emacs 
Organization: /usr/users_2/gauderer/.organization
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:56:54 GMT

Hello !

I'd like to know if anyone out there has tried to
port lucid emacs to linux.

Patric.
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e-mail : gauderer@telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de
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From: zie@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Thomas Ziegler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: X11: running linux-clients from hpux-Xserver via tcpip
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:42:50 GMT
Organization: University of Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: sim.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de

We have a tcpip network consisting of some hp9000 s700 and NeXT-computers
(also running X11). 
On the i386/387 (old chips) we are running linux-0.98 with tcpip-sockets, 
telnet and telnetd are from tcpip-0.81. 
If I am connected via telnet to one of the hp-stations it's no problem to 
run X11-clients under the linux Xserver. Everything shows the expected 
behavior. 
But the other way round after telnetting from a hp-station to the linux box
does not work. Every client started under linux produces an Errormessage at
the hp-station:

  XIO:  fatal IO error 22 (Invalid argument) on X server "131.188.134.4:0.0"
        after 44 requests (41 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
  
DISPLAY variable is propperly set and access to the Xserver at hp-site is
also set in the right manner (with xhost). The same error happens if I try
to run a linux-client form on of the NeXT-stations.

Any help? 

BTW: If there is asked for a password through login-procedure the connection 
"hangs". A user without any password has no problems to connect to the linux-
box. But if you force another demand for a password (for example via su), the 
connection hangs again. Escaping with '^]' works. It seems that is has 
something to do with the hidden characters which are (not) displayed while 
typing the passwd.

	Thomas   
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tim.foley@rose.com (tim foley)
Subject: -News & a FEED!
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:59:33 GMT
X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)


Date Entered: 11-05-92 09:57
 
  Could someone post the fixes that were necessary to get the May version of
C-news to work for Linux...I haven't yet installed it due to space but I
should be getting an extra ESDI drive soon, so that should be solved.  
 
  Also, anyone in the Toronto/Mississauga (Ontario, Canada eh!) region
willing to provide a news feed?  HST speed only, I don't have a V.32 or a
dual standard (yet!)...gotta hot-rod the Z28 first! 
 
							Tim


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Do I have to clear DOS partition?
Organization: Aston University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:24:51 GMT

waardenb@cs.utwente.nl (Jerry van Waardenberg) writes:
: Hi,
: 
: I'm just new to this newsgroup and this is probably a FAQ, but anyway:
: 
: I have a harddisk with C: and D: DOS partitions and I want to install Linux
: on the D-partition. Can I install Linux *WITHOUT* removing the data from
: DOS partition C:? (I know when I run the DOS fdisk program, all data on all
: partitions will be lost. Is this also true for the Linux fdisk program?)

What version of fdisk are you using, usually it will only touch the
partition you have altered.
Linux fdisk only does anything with the MBR, it does nothing with
the data on the rest of the disk.
If you alter a partition (especially if you reduce the size of it) you should
reformat it.
Thus if you don't touch the partition table entry for C: then you will
not loose any data.

How is your disk currently partitioned?
At a guess 
/dev/hda1 MSDOS  (c:)
/dev/hda2 EXTENDED 
/dev/hda3 empty
/dev/hda4
/dev/hda5 MSDOS (d:) (logical partition)

In this case you can leave /dev/hda1 alone, not touching your c: drive
and do what you like to the other partitions 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hymowitz@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Subject: looking for pcomm 2.0 binary
Reply-To: hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)
Organization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:14:27 GMT

i got the source for pcomm 2.0  it's quite ugly, an the errors i get at
compile time are too numerous to understand, let alone fix.

is there a  binary file somewhere? i didn't see it on ftp.uu.net, sunsite
or tsx-11.  help is greatly appreciated.

--hymie
hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu                                         hymie@jhuvms.bitnet
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From: dalew@twiki.PDX.COM (Dale Weber)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: SCSI and Linux
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 23:11:59 PST
Organization: Wafflemania Unlimited - Portland, OR USA


    I've been trying to install some version of Linux on my system this
weekend, but haven't had any luck.  This is because Linux doesn't seem to
be able to find my SCSI controller (an Always Technology IN-2000).

    I'd like to know which SCSI controllers Linux (any release) is known to
work with.  So far, neither the MCC or HLU releases of Linux find my
particular controller.  I haven't tried the SLS release yet since I haven't
got it at this time.

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From: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: (append) Does someone port ImageMagick to Linux yet?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 22:57:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, kranz@cs.tulane.edu (Barry Kranz) says:

>I have successfully compiled Imagemagic alone and with the JPEG libraries,
>which is a little trickier.  The key is to simply modify the standard
>Makefile which comes with ImageMagick.  Assuming you have gcc swap that
>for cc, add your include file location to the flags by typing -Ilocation.
>(no space after the I) Also change the file to show your true X11 library
>location by typing -Llocation before the -l on the library line.  Also
>change the location of where you want the command make install to put your
>finnished program on the suitable line.


xmkmf WILL work. just edit out the # comment lines in Imakefile or change
then to XCOMM.


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From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Does Linux use segmentation?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:39:57 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mamba.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov11.021246.3563@news.acns.nwu.edu> hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin) writes:
>
>anyone know what BSS stands for?  I have only seen "for historical
>reasons"...

Block Started by Symbol!

It was an old System/360 instruction for clearing memory.

God, I love being a trivia hound.

c
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: kilroy@ms.uky.edu (Paul S. Kilroy)
Subject: Re: broken pipe after reboot
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:27:49 GMT
Organization: Big, Dangerous Ideas, Inc.

trumpet-user@tom.erib.uni-hannover.de (Default Trumpet User) writes:

|hello linux-users

|i have installed linux 0.98p3 on my system and a problem : 
|when i type the reboot command, the message "broken pipe" occurs.
|the same happens after typing shutdown. ps -U dosen't help.
|now i have installed version 0.98p4 but nothing changed.

I also have this problem..
But in addition(as mentioned on the mailing list today)
I have the problem of shutdown spewing out lots of junk,
along with the shutdown message..
it goes somthing like this
``~~~~!!hhasd `` ``` System shutting down immediatly'
``~~~~!!hhasd `` ``` 
``~~~~!!hhasd `` ``` ... Resaon I shutk it down ...
``~~~~!!hhasd `` ```
Broken Pipe
/$

Broken pipe sometimes is replaced with the message, 
You can now tturn off the power.

paul




|tom.
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