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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:22:34 MET
From:         Jan Szelepcsenyi <janszel@POSEN.MFF.UNIBA.CS>
Subject:      Re: Assasination of the Czech Communist Party leader

On Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:46:19 EST, "Jan George Frajkor"
<gfrajkor@ccs.carleton.ca> wrote:

> NABELEK%UTKVX.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >
> > May be the vast majority of participants of this discussion group knows
> > exactly
> > what "MP" stands for.  I don't.  Can you tell me that?
> >
> > By the way, I would guess that those of us who do not live in CSFR and are
 not
> > familar with all the different abbreviations being used there would
 appreciate
> > the definitions of authors abbreviations in individual contributions.
 Thankst
>
>       I took it to be the commonly accepted abbreviation for Member of
> Parliament,  but I see in this context that it might mean Moravian
> Party or something.  Does it?
>
>
>    Jan George Frajkor       _!_
>  School of Journalism       __!__
>  Carleton University,         |
>  Ottawa, Ontario             /^\
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>   613 788-7404     fax:613 788-5604

I supposed it's not necessary to explain commonly and
internationaly used abbreviations, as MP (Member of Parliament),
UN (United Nations), etc.  I see that for avoiding
misunderstandings it's better to explain every abbreviation.

Sorry for my inconsequency.

Jan




--
Jan Szelepcsenyi                                Telephone: + 42 7 220863
janszel@posen.mff.uniba.cs                      Address  : ul. A. Mraza 4
                                                           821 03 Bratislava
                                                           Czechoslovakia
From: KNYPSTRA@ECO.RUG.NL (Sytse Knypstra)
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Subject: RE: Czech and Slovak Embassies
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:34:38 GMT
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In his article from Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:35:41 GMT,
Lubosh <ljh655@CSCGPO.ANU.EDU.AU> writes:

> Am I going to conclude that there already are different ambassadors in
> Turkey for the Czech Republic and for the Slovak Republic ? As far as I
> know the current ambassador of the CSFR to Australia is staying until the
> end of June until when the conduct of foreign affairs will be finally
> resolved. And when I look at the figures just here in Australia it's
> going to cost a lot of money...
> I'd appreciate if somebody knows more...
> Lubosh

I would like to know who, apart from mr Jan Szelepcsenyi,
has been appointed as an ambassador for the Slovak Republic.
Maybe one of our Slovak contributors to the list could tell us?
Thanks in advance,

Sytse Knypstra.

(Groningen, The Netherlands,
e-mail: S.Knypstra@eco.rug.nl)
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From: danubius@halcyon.com (Joseph R. Pannon)
Subject: Congratulation to a newborn!
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 04:34:12 GMT

Congratulations to all Slovaks everywhere upon reaching their age-long
aspiration to have their own independent state!  Well, that independent
state has just been born and it's time to open the champaign bottles.
May you find happines and satisfaction in the new, independent Slovakia!

Happy New Year to all of you!
Joe Pannon
From: paco@cs.rice.edu (Paul Havlak)
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Subject: Re: Books and Films Suggestions
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:36:03 GMT
Reply-To: Paul Havlak <paco@cs.rice.edu>
Organization: Center for Research on Parallel Computation

Can anyone suggest chain-store or mail-order sources for Slovak and
Czech literature, in the original language or in English translation,
in the U.S.?

thanks,
paco
--
Paul Havlak			Dept. of Computer Science
Graduate Student		Rice University, Houston TX 77251-1892
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Date:         Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:08:37 -0500
Reply-To:     Bill Diamond <billdi@diamond.win.net>
From:         Bill Diamond <billdi@DIAMOND.WIN.NET>
Subject:      Re: Congratulation to a newborn!

I join you in your concern.  The people of
Slovakia have not had independence in the past,
and possess two of the "modern devils" of
politics.  First, they were a fascist state
aligned with Axis during WW II.  Then, they
inherited an equally ambitious poitical
Nomenklatura under the Communists.

With such a poor international reputation,
compounded by a lack of economic and
manufacturing infrastructure, what will become
of this agrarian nation?

What will become of key issues, such as the
Danube river dams, oppression of ethnic
hungarians, and the nuclear reactor at Jaslovske
Bohunice?

How did you teach in Czechoslovakia? Were one
curious in such opportunites, say teaching
computer programming and does speak Czech and
German - what kinds of opportunites could be
afforded?

Regards,
Bill Diamond
billdi@diamond.win.net
billdi@microsoft.com
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:46:10 PST
From:         lhdsy1!HOVMB.HOU281.CHEVRON.COM!TKMARC@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject:      Gen Lorenz judged by the Parliamentary Commission?

Mr Kubaska:

I understand your desire to tell us what you don't like about the
lustration law, but I fail to see how it relates to the case of
General Alojz Lorenz. You had indicated he was going to be judged by
some sort of parliamentary commission, but you have not provided
the details I asked for. I am very interested in the specifics, provided
it's a fact rather than a figment of someone's imagination or some sort
of propagandist nonsense. Thanks.

--Kamil Marcinka (Internet address: tkmarc@hovmb.ion.chevron.com)
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:02:31 EST
From:         George Frajkor <gfrajkor@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
Subject:      Re: Re:Press control
              Dec 19, 92 8:21 am

Liz writes:
>
> Does anyone on this discussion have knowledge/thoughts about how the
> new political entity of Slovakia will affect higher educaition there?
> Thanks.  Liz Hawthorne

     In theory, none.    If there is enough money, it might even be
better as the Slovaks will now open universities and courses on their
own that were otherwise only available in the Czech lands.


    Jan George Frajkor       _!_
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:00:09 PST
From:         lhdsy1!HOVMB.HOU281.CHEVRON.COM!TKMARC@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject:      Why writers?

Mr Frajkor invited opinions on Havel's plays.

I have seen two. The one about Havel himself when he worked at the
beer brewery; I saw it in Czech language, with Pavel Landovsky, and
it was a masterpiece. I also saw Largo Desolato, in English, and I
was totally unimpressed; I am not sure if it was because of the play
itself or because of the poor translation/implementation.

I have also read most of Havel's essays. Although I do value their
political and moral content, I feel that what sets them apart from
similar productions (and there is a lot of it) is their literary
value. While some of Vaculik's, Simecka's, or Kusy's stuff may
have been even more politically important, I value Havel's writing
much more. The only other writer (of this category) that I hold in
such high esteem is Vaclav Cerny.

Mr Frajkor also invited opinions on why writers played prominent
role in 1968 as well as in 1989.

I do not believe that writers had all that much influence on what
expired in 1968. True, there was the 4th congress of the writers'
union, there was Vaculik's "2000 words," there was "Kulturny Zivot"
and "Reporter" etc etc. But these phenomena were mostly pushing
the limits of the freedom that was allotted to them by the political
bodies. Although they were undoubtedly contributing factor, and they
were important, I don't think they stepped out of their roles as
writers. The reformed communism of 1968 (which really started in the
early sixties) was almost exclusively shaped by the politicians.

It was different in 1989. I suspect part of the reason why is that
the cultural life after 1969 was so severely suppressed that unusual
number of artists (mostly writers) were sort of pushed over the line.
Remember, it was the arrest and trial with a music band called
"The Plastic People of the Universe" that set off Charter 77. I suppose
the absurdity of the total ban of anything creative or remotely
interesting in the field of literature was much more upsetting than
that fact that the people involved in politics in 1968 were banned
from political life (rather than hung or jailed).

The communist will to power cracked in 1989: I remember reading
a quote of Jan Budaj saying "chlapci, moc je na ulici, len you treba
zdvihnut" ("guys, the power is out there on the street, all we have
to do is pick it up"). It seems to make sense that writers where
among those who had the stamina and energy to take the banner and run
the country for a while.

--Kamil Marcinka (Internet address: tkmarc@hovmb.ion.chevron.com)
From: KUBASKA@UAKOM.CS
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Subject: re:LOrenz
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:10:43 GMT
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Mr. Marcinka,

A regular trial is held against Mr. Lorenz. That is the straight
answer to your question.
As for demagogy: You expressed that "Lorenz sins will be kindly
pardoned in S in the name of human rights". I have concluded that your
preposition is based upon the refusal of "lustration law" that is
often refered to as controvercial with the bill of basic.... I
think I was right because in your second contribution you expressed
disagreement about turning down this law. Your descriptions of the
consequences of the adoption of this law were explained in very
demagogic way (I hope you wouldn't mind the usage of this word as
I didn't mind those of yours) I have tried to explain that everybody
will be judged for his actual crimes in SR. That means,to correct your
idea, that there are no reasons why Mr. Lorez's crimes should have
been pardoned if he is found guilty.


Please, don't address another posting regarding this issue to me.
I'm not able to put it more straightly as I did.

respectfully,

Marian Kubaska
Banska Bystrica
Czech and Slovak Federal Republic
E-mail: KUBASKA@UAKOM.CS
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:26:18 PST
From:         lhdsy1!HOVMB.HOU281.CHEVRON.COM!TKMARC@UUNET.UU.NET

Marian Kubaska writes (parts deleted):

> Please, don't address another posting regarding this issue to me.
> I'm not able to put it more straightly as I did.

This is NOT addressed to Mr Kubaska. However, there are several
inaccuracies in his posting; since they were made in public, I feel
they need be addressed in public.

> As for demagogy: You expressed that "Lorenz sins will be kindly
> pardoned in S in the name of human rights". I have concluded that your
> preposition is based upon the refusal of "lustration law" that is
> often refered to as controvercial with the bill of basic....

The paragraph on Lorenz from MY earlier posting follows:

>Re Lorenz, there has been speculation that he will chose the
>citizenship (C vs S) based on where he can get out of going to prison.
>In another Pravda article, about 3 weeks ago, he was saying how
>much more democratic Slovakia is compared to Bohemia, because
>Weiss (the leader of SLD a.k.a. Communist Party of Slovakia) holds
>a position in the Slovak parliament, and Svoboda, his counterpart
>in the Czech lands, does not. I won't be surprised if he's
>a Slovak citizen soon, and all of his past "mistakes" will be kindly
>pardoned, in the name of human rights. Sigh...

In my posting about Lorenz I said very clearly that the issue was his
getting our of prison. It is unclear to me how it can be concluded
that by "pardoning his sins" I was referring to the lustration law.

>                                                              I
> think I was right because in your second contribution you expressed
> disagreement about turning down this law.

Even if I had (and I had not); my opinion of the lustration law is
irrelevant, as the paragraph about Lorenz does not talk about the
lustration law, but about prosecution of Lorenz in a court of justice,
for the crimes he is accused of.

>                                           Your descriptions of the
> consequences of the adoption of this law were explained in very
> demagogic way (I hope you wouldn't mind the usage of this word as
> I didn't mind those of yours)

I did not describe the *consequences* of the lustration law; I merely
described the purpose, or the intentions, and it was clearly stated
in the notice. As a matter of fact, personally I wander if the lustration
doesn't cause more harm than good, because of its negative consequences.
That's the reason for my rather cautious expressions when discussing
the lustration law, and the term "arguably," which I used.

Merry Christmas, y'all.

--Kamil Marcinka (Internet address: tkmarc@hovmb.ion.chevron.com)
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:36:05 UCR
From:         Luis Blanco <BLANCO@UCRVM2.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Test2

On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:18:01 -0600 Ann Stunden said:
>This is a second test using a second smtp server.

Second test ok, Ann.

  Atte,

  Luis Blanco                    BLANCO@UCRVM2.BITNET
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From:         Ann Stunden <anns@NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Test2

This is a second test using a second smtp server.

albert steiner, manager networking ACNS.
Ann Stunden
Academic Computing and Network Services -Vogelback Computing Center
Northwestern University -2129 Campus Drive North - Evanston IL 60208
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:40:00 EST
From:         Lee Garner <GARNER@FSUAVM.BITNET>
Subject:      LISTSERV Signoff on behalf of a user?

Hi,

     I'm trying to issue a SIGNOFF command on behalf of one of our
users, e.g. "tell listserv at nodeid for userid signoff listname".

     The LISTSERV replies with a message that I should use the "DELETE"
command instead.

     Not knowing the syntax for the DELETE command, I did a "info refcard"
and got a file back.  Perused said file, but can't find any information on
the DELETE command.

     How do I unsubscribe a user on my system without having to login on
their account to issue the SIGNOFF command (which I could do, it's just an
extra step).

Thanks!

  - Lee
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 09:09:02 TUR
From:         Atilla OZERDIM <ATILLA@TREARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LISTSERV Signoff on behalf of a user?

On Mon, 28 Dec 92 23:14:39 EST  Ben Chi <BEC@ALBANY.BITNET> had said:
>On Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:40:00 EST Lee Garner said:
>>     I'm trying to issue a SIGNOFF command on behalf of one of our
>>users, e.g. "tell listserv at nodeid for userid signoff listname".
>>The LISTSERV replies with a message that I should use the "DELETE"
>>command instead.
>>. . .
>
>The syntax is TELL LISTSERV [AT nodeid] DELETE listname userid[@nodeid]

Hello,

As far as I know, to act on behalf of a user you need to be a postmaster
on the target LISTSERV@<nodeid>.

A happy new year...

#Atilla
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From: OPRNAD@SAUPM00.BITNET (Iyad A.M. Al-Bukhari)
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Subject: Re: LISTSERV Signoff on behalf of a user?
Date: 29 Dec 92 12:30:18 GMT
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On Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:40:00 EST Lee Garner said:
>Hi,
>
>     Not knowing the syntax for the DELETE command, I did a "info refcard"
>and got a file back.  Perused said file, but can't find any information on
>the DELETE command.
You should get LISTOWNR MEMO and  LISTOWNR REFCARD if you are a list owner,
and LISTMAST MEMO and LISTMAST REFCARD if you are a list master. These files
are available on the listserv.
>
>     How do I unsubscribe a user on my system without having to login on
>their account to issue the SIGNOFF command (which I could do, it's just an
>extra step).
TELL LISTSERV DELETE list-name userid@nodeid PW= list-password
You can send this command interactively or by a file ( the command begining
at DELETE ....... should be the first line and at the first column ).
>
>Thanks!
>
>  - Lee

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From:         Luis Blanco <BLANCO@UCRVM2.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Test

On Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:16:36 -0600 Ann Stunden said:
>This is a test because some messages from here are not acceptable to
>listservs

Test ok, from Costa Rica.

Feliz navidad y un prospero anno nuevo 1993.

  Atte,

  Luis Blanco                    BLANCO@UCRVM2.BITNET
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Subject:      Test
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This is a test because some messages from here are not acceptable to
listservs

Albert Steiner,  Manager of Networking
Ann Stunden
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:14:39 EST
From:         Ben Chi <BEC@ALBANY.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LISTSERV Signoff on behalf of a user?

On Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:40:00 EST Lee Garner said:
>     I'm trying to issue a SIGNOFF command on behalf of one of our
>users, e.g. "tell listserv at nodeid for userid signoff listname".
>The LISTSERV replies with a message that I should use the "DELETE"
>command instead.
>. . .

The syntax is TELL LISTSERV [AT nodeid] DELETE listname userid[@nodeid]
                                             /b
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From:         John Conrow <jconrow@LIB.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      Position announcement

*** Please do not contact the poster! Apply in writing only! ***

       Systems Support Specialist (Programmer/Analyst II)
        UCSF Library and Center for Knowledge Management

The University of California San Francisco Library and Center for
Knowledge Management has an opening for a Systems Support
Specialist in the Computing and Communications Services unit.

DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES
  *  Provide support for Library's Innopac and Innovacq systems and
     serve as the primary contact between the Library and
     Innovative Interfaces, Inc.
  *  Provide support for access to UC's Melvyl system and serve as
     the Liaison between the Library and the Division of Library
     Automation at the UC Office of the President
  *  Troubleshoot and diagnose network problems
  *  Provide support for Library's OCLC/PRISM access and serve as
     the primary contact between the Library and OCLC
  *  Install, maintain, and document general-purpose as well as
     library-specific system software under Unix, Macintosh, MS-
     DOS, Windows, and OS/2
  *  Perform basic Unix system administration duties including
     filesystem backup and user account creation
  *  Provide basic support for MS-DOS, Macintosh, and Windows-based
     systems
  *  Assist and train staff in the use of software
  *  Other duties as required

REQUIREMENTS
  *  Knowledge of automated bibliographic systems such as
     OCLC/PRISM, Innopac, and Melvyl
  *  Knowledge of the USMARC format
  *  Familiarity with general principles of cataloging (e.g.,
     AACR2)
  *  Familiarity with basic PC applications, MS-DOS batch files,
     basic PC hardware configuration
  *  Knowledge of basic telecommunications principles (e.g., RS232)
  *  Knowledge of network fundamentals
  *  Familiarity with Unix, MS-DOS, Macintosh, Windows, or OS/2
     operating systems

ADDRESS RESUME TO
     Kenneth R. Weeks
     Assistant Director for Planning and Administration
     UCSF Library
     530 Parnassus Avenue
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Subject:      Decserver 90L

We are just bringing up oclc interfaces that are connected to DecServer
90L terminal servers. We are having a few problems and would be interested
if other sites are are using these terminal servers. We would be very
interested in the cable construction for lines running from the TS to
the III Y cables.

If you use these servers please drop me a note.

Thanks,

John Rutherford
Central Conn. State University
203-827-7800
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Subject:      Re: Long bib record vs short bib record for acquisitions
              9 Dec 1992 13:46:10 -0800 from <RITCHIE@USDCSV.ACUSD.EDU>

For approval plan books, the duration of acceptance/processing of the items in
the Acquisitions/Serials Dept is no more than a week.  Recently, we have decide
d to create short bib records and attach order records for them and write down
the bib #s on the gutter of each book.  Then Cataloging Dept will overlay our s
hort bib with the OCLC record. This will reduce the cost of searching in the OC
LC & speeds up the whole processing of the approval plan books.
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