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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Hmmm... (Changing the rules)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:14:56 GMT

Meeks, how stupid can you get? I thought you e-mailed me this same
article just to test the water. I told you why you were stupid. Too bad you
don't have the patience. 

Geez, I can't save you.

In article <1993Jan22.193319.4311@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Ok Ed, you asked for proof that you change the rules...  Well, so far it seems
>like you have tried to establish a few things here...
>
>1) S.F. is better than Buffalo
>2) This is because they have the better record.
>3) Head-to-head matchups don't matter in determining this...
>
>Ok... Well, I have something for you...  
>
>Here is an excerpt of an argument between you and Mr. 49er, John Gloria.
>You are argueing about who was better, the Eagles or 49ers...  And, you
>are trying to say the Eagles were better than the 49ers, and the Bills
>as well (better than the 49ers..)  Anyway, here is your little snippet of the
>day...
>
>(in reference to Eagles vs. 49ers, Bills vs. 49ers)
>
>"Based on records, they aren't (as good)".  Based on head to head, they 
>aren't,  Buffalo is better than S.F. ..."
>
>So Ed, which is it??  Buffalo is better than S.F.. and you used the comment
>about head-to-head as a method of comparison in your arguments as a valid
>point.  Now, you say it isn't so.  You also having been knocking my use of
>strength of schedule during the last week or so.. Yet, in this same article,
>you state

You know what? That article was posted after week 5, on 10/7/92. What was
SF's record back then? Buffalo's record?

SF:      4-1
Buffalo: 4-1

So which is it? who has the better record? What else is there to determine
who's better? do you really know the meaning of TIE-breaker?

Maybe you see 4-1 as better than 4-1, in Meeks' arithmetic.

>"My observation is based on who the 49ers played too.  They didn't beat any
>of the unbeaten/1-loss teams.  At least the Eagles beat two."  
>
>Hey Ed, what's it matter??  According to your new rules, who they played 
>doesn't matter, just their records..
Of course it doesn't.  At that point, Philly was 4-0, SF was 4-1. Philly 
was a better team. Using s-o-s doesn't affect this ordering. It only enhances 
it. The ordering was still Philly > SF.

Yet you use s-o-s to reverse the ordering derived from records, i.e. 
try to use s-o-s to refute records.

>Anyway Ed...  I think you should realize your mistake at this point...
Yes, like my mistake of not realizing 4-1 is a better record than 4-1...

>How are you going to get out of this one???  
There is no other way. I should have taken a course in Meekthmetic.

>What lies/mis-truths are you going to fabricate??  
Nothing. From now on, I should know 4>4 and 1<1.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue (Bill ))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Trivia Answer #8
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 14:20:13 EST
Reply-To: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!


  Question: Do more NFL teams play their home games on natural or      
            artificial turf?
                    
  Answer: Artificial (15 to 13)

  Artificial = Minnesota, Detroit, Dallas, Philadelphia, New York (Giants),
               New Orleans, Atlanta, Indiana, New York (Jets), Buffalo,
               Kansas City, Seattle, Pittsburgh, Houston, Cincinatti

     Natural = Tampa Bay, Chicago, Green Bay, Washington, Phoenix, 
               San Fransisco, New England, Miami, San Diego, Denver, 
               Cleveland, Los Angeles (Raiders), Los Angeles (Rams)

  bill

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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Food bets
Date: 23 Jan 93 05:07:17 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

My friend tells me that the Mayors of Dallas and Buffalo have wagered
food on the outcome of the Super Bowl?  Among the things being wagered
are barbequed beef, fajitas, BBQ sauce, hand lotion, cereal and pecan
pies.  Anyone else hear of this?

satish nair
giants


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From: jringle@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK RONALD INGLE)
Subject: Re: dallas over bills (You're Wrong too!)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:33:32 GMT

In article <C1IwDn.HwG@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan23.062233.39340@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, kjs5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (KRISTIAN JOHN SCHAFER) writes...
|> >
|> >The Bills have not been nearly as consistent as the Cowboys this year.
|> >Quality teams don't have to make 32 point comebacks because they don't find
|> >themselves in such a mess.
|> >
|> I see now, the Cowboys are suddenly a quality team, next year they
|> will be where the Giants are, and the Redskins are.   They have one
|> good year, then fall to the bottom the next year.  If Dallas is
|> a quality team, then why did they have such a problem with Barry
|> Sanders in the playoffs last year?  Answer: When the Cowboys  have
|> to play against a team that can run, they have problems.  And when
|> Dallas goes to three straight Superbowls, independent of which
|> conference they play in, then you can say their team is quality.
|> For now all you can say is that the team is a good one.
|> 
|> If Dallas had their number two quarterback in a playoff game,
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> I don't think they would win, whereas with the BIlls, they have
|> THE BEST second stringers in the league.   BTW, I don't think
|> your team could ever come back from a 32 point defecit.  The
|> Bills have come back from 17 points down, 24 points down.  At
|> least the Bills never quit in a game.  I think that the Cowboys
|> are over-rated because they played Philadelphia ( a team that
|> is like New Orleans, good D, no O) and a San Fran team without
|> Montana (Young's second playoff game).
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just two comments.

1)Dallas had their number two quarterback last year and they beat the 
Bears with him in the playoffs.
2)The San Fran game was Aikman's second playoff game also.

Trip Ingle
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From: mcs@fps.com (Mike Sanfratello)
Subject: Re: "How bout them Cowboys"
Organization: CRAY Research
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:59:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.153504.642@oakhill.sps.mot.com> floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich) writes:
>>Yes, well this is a discussion group for opinions. I posted my opinions.
>>Your opinions are just as much pure conjecture and highly subjective.
>
>Good point, except for the fact that I don't use my opinions to show
>why one team has the edge over another team due to "intangibles." 
>Especially when there are tangible pieces of evidence to the contrary.
>
>You tried to use your subjective evaluation of the Bills' "desire" to
>show why they would beat Dallas in the Super Bowl.  In truth, you 
>only conjecture about why Buffalo has a "mental edge" over Dallas
>instead of looking at any objective measure.
>
>My opinion is that regualr season records, statistics, and other
>tangible, objectively measured quantities make more of a difference
>than the intangibles you cite.  Go ahead and argue why your intangibles
>should count more than objective measures.
>
>
>Floyd Goodrich
>floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com
>

Oh NO!!! NONONONONOOOOOOOOO!!  Do we have an Ed Lor Jr. in training here!

ARGGGH!!!!

The person Floyd quoted practically gave up, threw in the towel, when he
said "it's just my opinion; I have mine, you have yours".  BUT, NOOO,
like Lor, that's not good enough for Floyd.
The object is to keep the argument going, AT ALL COSTS!!
Ed doesn't care whether he's arguing about the price of asparagus in
Bolivia or whether 14-2 beats 14-5 - he just wants to argue.
He won't even let somebody lose - he will just say that they
are "wimping out"!  What a head case.  Congratulations, Floyd; you're
learning well.

mike
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why Baltimore? Cause we're awesome!
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:02:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfMQ1WW00WDKE2kpR0
	<1993Jan20.141233.4522@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

hmm...a domed stadium in Balmer (that's Baltimore to all you
non-Marylanders ;D)?  I'd only be happy if it was big enough to
accommodate the Super Bowl... :)

--Vernon.
From: timl@zulu.mti.sgi.com (Tim Layman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas vs. SF, N*iced* Notes
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:58:28 GMT
Reply-To: timl@mti.sgi.com
Organization: Mips Technologies Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: zulu.mti.sgi.com

In article <1jn26dINNp2l@news.aero.org>, mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
|> 
|> * Two Cowboys defensive ends, Charles Haley and Chad Hennings were limited
|>   to the same number of tackles (1).  Granted, Hennings got his on ST.
|>   I add this only to show that Haley had 1 tackle, no assist, and no sacks.
|>   He was far from the terror that was promised when Dallas picked him up,
|>   although he has played exactly like a player that they gave up a #2 and #3
|>   for.  
|> 

Charles Haley had no sacks BUT he was the key guy in one of the key plays of
the game. Now I have to go back and review the tape to make sure it was him but
wasn't he the guy that was held on the Rice (non)TD pass? So on this play if he
was held (like he was) then the TD is nullified, and if he is not held then
Young
most likely doesn't get the pass to Rice. If he did not manage to beat
Macintire
on this play the 9er's would have had 7 more points and this game would have
been
much different. The Cowboys would have been playing catch-up instead of the
9'ers.

So, that play (if it was him that got held) was as good as a sack. -10yards and
no TD!

|>   - does Ricky Watters look great or what?  The only thing is that he should
|>     fumble the ball 2-3 times PER game with the way he carries the ball. 
|> The
|>     people I was watching the game with wondered why he was so upset after
|> he
|>     fumbled.  I could tell it was coming, and all the talent that he has
|> will
|>     go for naught if he keeps carrying the ball like a paperback book...
|>     He is also possibly the most insecure and immature RB.  More should be
|>     made of the fact that he was a REAL rookie, a player with flash,
|>     power, talent, and not a lot of poise.... Awwwww, did you fumble the
|>     ball rook?  Did you cost your team the game?  Maybe...., but DONT CRY!

Ricky Watters does look great but he is a rookie and he is very young. Hence I
am
not supprised that he fumbled in the pressure game. Emmit's experience and
Ricky's
inexperience shows here. But I'm happy to keep Ricky. (understatement!) With
more
playing time under his belt I'm confident he will be a real star in years to
come.
He was very mad at himself for losing the ball. The veterans were trying to calm
him
down on the sidelines.

	Tim
|>   
|> nuff for now....
|> 
|> *ice*
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From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: Parcells goes to NE
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:55:42 GMT

And there was much rejoicing.  (Yawn.)
By the way,
1) Did the Giants sign Dan Reeves yet?
2) Why doesn't someone hire Buddy Ryan as a defensive
coordinator?  Afterall, he built the '85 Bears' D and
the '90 Eagles' D. Of course, the head coach better
realize that he should just stick with the offense,
and let Buddy control the defense....
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Stationary Target
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:03:05 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

After facing off vs two scramb. QB's the Dallas D will now get to 
go after a stationary target in Kelly. Cover the screen and the draw
with a LB and it's gonna be a bull rush up the middle to crush the
pocket on Jimbo.

GO COWBOYS
tim

"You can either proffit from this or be destroyed, it's your choice"
                                             -Luke Skywalker
From: RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Do you know who had most All Maddens?
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:43:58 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

There was a tie for the team with the most All-Madden's this year between
Minnesota and San Francisco (with 8 apiece) which is fine by me since
they're my two fav teams (Minn being #1).

1.  (tie)
    Minnesota  (8)   with Noga too!!!!
    San Francisco  (8)

and the others:
    Dallas (7)
    Philadelphia (7)
    Houston (4)
    Washington (4)
    Detroit (3)
    Kansas City (3)
    NY Giants (2)
    Atlanta (2)
    New Orleans (2)
    L.A. Rams (1)
    Chicago (1)
    Denver (1)


 Oh yeah, if you're out there reading this Fat John, your Bills got NOTHING!  N
UDDING!  NOT TING!  ZERO!

 I apologize to the rest of the Bills fans but Fat John is a conceited dumb-ass
 haole who's likes to pretend he knows football.
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From: glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan)
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:26:44 GMT

lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:


>Well, you quitted in all our flame wars, i.e. after a month of arguments,
>you gave up. Are you going to deny this?

>That's wimp out. 

>-- 
>                                          Edward Lor
>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com

Is that what this is about?  Posting 30 some articles a week so you
won't be seen as a quitter?  The longer you keep this up, the more
annoyed everyone else gets.  Why don't you quit while you are still only
moderately behind? 

-- 
Gary Blickhan --Go Bills!!!   Before Bo Jackson, there was the one and only
Stormin' GORMAN THOMAS!  He played baseball, football, basketball, track,
bowling, billiards, golf, and then some.  (not all professionally, of course.)
He didn't endorse a company because he'd have to wear all those shoes at once!.
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From: merrill@stsci.edu (Clark Merrill)
Subject: Re: Reggie White
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50    
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:15:00 GMT

In article <4fL1rZe00WB510zpob@andrew.cmu.edu>, Joseph Theodore Helmsen <jh2i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>Can anyone tell me the cities that Reggie is likely to go to if he doesn't stay
>with the Eagles?  I've heard that Dallas and Frisco can't have him because they
>were in the final four.  I've also heard that Washington and Kansas City are
>top choices for him.  Can anyone confirm this?
> 
From The Saturday January 22, 1993 Washingto post on page D5.

The following is a few paragraphs out of an article called "'Rooney Rule' a
Twist In Free Agency Decision"  

	Two weeks ago, when the Washingotn Redskins played the San Francisco
49ers in the NFC semifinals, NFL Players Association executive director 
Gene Upshaw said he got a clear indication that defensive end Reggie White's 
venue of choice next season is Washington.

	"He was pulling for the 49ers to win so he could still sign with the
Redskins," Upshaw said late Thursday night during a lengthy  discussion of 
the restrictions and confusion surrounding the new agreement.

	White, 31, who has played eight seasons with the Philadelphia 
Eagles, is said to top the Redskins' wish list of the more than 300 players 
who will become free agents on March 1.  Contacts can not be made directly
until that date.

	As on of the 20 name plaintiffs in the class action anti-trust 
litigation being settled, White is not subject to the exemptions that allow 
teams to hold onto their best players as the new system unfolds.

	But he is subject to the restrictions of what is known as the Rooney
rule.  The final four teams in the Super Bowl tournament are restricted from
signing any other teams' free agents unless they lose one of their own, and 
they can replace him for only up to the salary for which he signed elsewhere.

	The Rooney rule also limits the Redskins and three other conference 
semifinals losers from signing more than one of another teams free agents
for $1.5 million or more, unless they lose a player who signs for that much.


Oh by the way on the same page it said "Dennis Byrd took his first steps
since his late November injury"!  Let's hope his progress continues!

Clark B. Merrill                        A Life Long Redskins Fan!
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
merrill@stsci.edu
From: mrn3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MATTHEW R. NARBY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Super Bowl prediction
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:43:53 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan26.191224.15603@lgc.com>, ajj@zycor.lgc.com (Andrew Jackson)
writes:
>Well gang,
>
>I cannot stand the two week gap between the Conference Championship
>games and the Super Bowl!
>
>After the Championship games, I favored Dallas by 6. I'm going to
>slice the margin to 3 points. The main reason is that the Bills
>(unlike the past two Super Bowls) are not talking trash, but seem
>to be concentrating on the game. I had a feeling that the Bills would
>go on a roll following "THE HALF" against Houston, but then they
>killed the Raiders two years ago.
>
>However, I'm still favoring Dallas because (as mentioned previously)
>they have the advantage in coaching. Another point (mentioned by others)
>is Dallas' ability to hold on to the ball. If they can do what the
>Giants did two years ago, the game should belong to Dallas.
>
>Regardless, this has the makings of a very good game. Please, let it
>be so!
>
>BTW: I don't mind Garth singing the national anthem. The anthem is
>not a country song and it lasts only a few minutes. It's not like
>its Roseanne singing it  >=P.
Just a thought: In the Bills v. Denver game in December, the guy who plays the
Phamtom in the Toronto production of "The Phantom of the Opera" took 2:04 to
sing the national anthem, the longest in home Bills games history.

>
>Cheers & LET'S GET THE SHOW THE ROAD!
>
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>
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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Gaints close to signing Reeves.
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:49:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1993Jan24.091520.7625@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> m_bellor@nntpd2.
enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch") writes:
>
>
> I can't believe this group!! First everybody outside of, and quite a few
> in, Denver thought the Broncos were stupid for firing Dan Reeves. All this
> talk about, Hey Dan how about .........., and now no one wants Dan coaching
> the team they root for. This group is incredible!!
>
>
>--
>

1. Dan Reeves is a pass oriented coach.
2. The Denver Broncos have John Elway, Mark Jackson and Vance Johnson.
3. The Giants have Kent Graham!


Do we see the lack of parity here? And what exactly is Dan's record against
the NFC East?

The Giants need serious help on defense NOT another offensive scheme for their
run oriented offense to learn.

satish nair
giants




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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Hmmm...
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:42:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <C19EsL.6vJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
>lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>
>
>>Well, you quitted in all our flame wars, i.e. after a month of arguments,
>>you gave up. Are you going to deny this?
>
>>That's wimp out. 
>
>>-- 
>>                                          Edward Lor
>>                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
>
>Is that what this is about?  Posting 30 some articles a week so you
>won't be seen as a quitter?  The longer you keep this up, the more
>annoyed everyone else gets.  Why don't you quit while you are still only
>moderately behind? 

Guess you haven't seen much of Ed.   He has two stated purposes on the net.

First:
	" To flame all who come before me "
Second:
	" To continue flaming until the other person stops, thus 
	  allowing me to proclaim myself the winner "

Yes, he has actually stated this (in different words), and actually seems
to believe it...
-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Famous Jerseys
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:34:48 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <1993Jan20.101020.16405@walter.cray.com>, mas@cray.com (Michael A. Sand) writes:

>  9. 

I'll add my addition to this list, with a famous #9.. Jim McMahon, Chicago
Bears QB (now Eagles).  He did wear #9 in his tenure with the Bears.



-- 
ciao,                             
Jason Bittle (bittle@canisius.edu) 
(a.k.a. Pillsbury Dough Boy )
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