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From: 3386838@ipc16.queensu.ca (student 3386838)
Subject: Chief O'Brien
Reply-To: 3386838@ipc16.queensu.ca
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:39:54 GMT

I have a problem that's been bothering me for awhile about Chief O'Brien. Just
what the heck is he??  A Chief Petty Officer on a Naval Vessel is normally
called chief, and is an enlisted person. But if he is an enlisted person, then
did he go to the academy? And where are the rest of the enlisted people? 
(Maybe replaced by the computer?) ... And finally, his pips.  In earlier TNG
shows, I've noticed that he is wearing a gold pip and a black pip, which I
believe is the rank of Lieutenant. In DS9, I noticed him wearing a single
pip (couldn't see it well) which I think was black. Is this not the rank of
ensign?  If anybody could clarify me (or just called it a YATI) I'd 
appreciate it. 

Cheers,
Wes

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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, UCLA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:35:16 GMT

In a previous article scherrer@mtxinu.COM (Deborah Scherrer) spake...
>"The Inner Light", without a doubt one of the best shows of
>either series.

Naaah, the prize goes to "Remember Me", IMHO. NEXT!!!
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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:33:22 GMT

In article <ewright.726169263@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward  
V. Wright) writes:
> In <jgasaway-010193123121@mac20-152.ncsa.uiuc.edu> jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu  
(James Gasaway) writes:
> 
> It has also been mentioned that Riker *was* a Captain before.  Of the
> Enterprise, no less.  In Best of Both Worlds, he was promoted to the
> rank of Captain and give command (not "temporary command") of the  
Enterprise.
> 
> 
> >Career-wise, Riker was stupid to refuse three offers for a
> >captain's position on other vessels.  
> 
> Agreed.  It would be interesting to see the writers incorporate this
> into the show, with Riker getting passed over for command because he
> waited too long, getting increasingly anxious, etc.

Hey, Riker's is only in his mid to late thirties. From what we've seen so  
far, this is still young for a captain. Riker can should still be able to  
advance in rank (though he may not gain command of a starship).
	Of course, in the end, Riker's destiny is in the hands of the  
writers and producers of the show. They'll put him where they feel he works  
best for the ratings.


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sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
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From: srivastk@egr.msu.edu (Aseem Ku Srivastava)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 - NO SPOILERS
Date: 10 Jan 1993 04:25:30 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
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Summary: IMHO....

In article <1993Jan9.051050.12240@news.cs.brandeis.edu> tabron1@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>DS9 --
>Way cool.

I agree...
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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: ST: DS9 premier question
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:11:08 GMT

hamid@telesoft.com (Hamid Radvar @lone) writes:


>First...
>
>Was the captain of the Saratoga a Romulan?  I hope not!

>Hamid

*laugh* You're kidding right?  No, he was not a Romulan...

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From: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:54:06 GMT
Reply-To: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

-She canna take nae more, Captain!-

It's the ONLY plot device they've ever had. Not being able to break the
speed limit will severely limit the attraction of Deep Space 9.

Of course, being in the UK means a long wait for Deep Space 9.
At the moment, we're getting the 70's cartoon series on Saturdays.
It's pretty dire.
We're hoping they'll continue to show the 60's series.
Next Generation? Recent series? You gotta be kidding. We must be 5 years behind.


L.
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From: hamid@telesoft.com (Hamid Radvar @lone)
Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Organization: Alsys Group, San Diego, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:37:58 GMT


In article <1993Jan6.143637.29934@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>                What is in your opinion the best eposiode of TNG?  

One of my all time favorites is the first season episode, Haven.  Anyone
else like that one?

Best line: (not exact)

...please continue the petty bickering...I find it most interesting.  
                                                                     Data

HamidR
From: mikes@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Am I the only one
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:11:41 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

No, you're not.  I too am amazed at how this group can discuss O'Brien's 
rank, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Just when you think the topics done, some
bonehead has to ask "Was that a whole or a half pip I saw when...."

I honestly believe the producers and writers are having an enormous
chuckle watching y'all go at it like rats in a maze.  "Psst, Colm buddy,
come 'ere. We want to change your insignia again. HAHAHAHAHAHA."
 
I can't build a kill file big enough to avoid this thread.
From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Shuttle craft on DS9
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:43:41 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: phlan.sw.stratus.com

In article <C0G3vw.JB3@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani) writes:
>The shuttle craft that was in DS9 seemed a bit larger
>than the ones on board the Enterprise. Are they much bigger?
>How do they compare with the other shuttles that we have
>seen before?

They aren't shuttles, they're "runabouts".  I think we'll find that they
are full starships, just small capacity.  They are clearly warp-capable,
apparently smaller than science vessels like the Grissom, possibly
armed (pure speculation, but considering the Cardassian presence,
probably prudent).


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From: taurins@neodata.uucp (Agris Taurins)
Subject: Re: Ceslla 3 Massacre in DP9 ?
Organization: NeoData - Telemedia
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:06:58 GMT

In article <1ifvb2INNnpi@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> rod@cats.ucsc.edu (Rodrick Su) writes:
>
>In article <C0FxK2.4x1@wilber.rich.nt.com> zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee) writes:
>>After watching DP9 last night...I got a question.  When the 3 Cardasian
>>warships were about to attack the station...I believe Doc. Bashir asked
>>whether it would be good idea to surrender...O'Brian replied that
>>"have you ever heard of the Ceslla 3 massacre". This implied that the
>>Cardasians were responsible for the massacre instead of the Gorn.  
>>
>>I thought the Ceslla 3 massacre was shown in the 1966 ST espisode titled
>>"Arena" when Kirk met the Gorn for the 1st time.
>
>	Different massacare.  O'Brian is refered to the one he witness
>	as a non-commission officier on USS Phenox during the Cardissian
>	war.  Alot of O'Brien's background can be learn by re-watching
>	the episode The Wounded.
>-- 

The "Arena" planet was "Cestus 3".  

I thought it was a very nice touch making past references to established
"canon".



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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Another fun REPOST: Star Trek Characters Personality Analysis
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:16:54 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <16B4DEEC4.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>In article <rawdon.726261195@cs.wisc.edu>
>rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>>As I perceive them, Kirk is a brash, egotistical, hot-headed, supremely
>>self-confident, impulsive person.

He's a person that gets things done.

>>Picard, in contrast, is non-impulsive,
>>more contemplative and philosophical, much more likely to solicit (AND accept)
>>opinions from others, shares the workload and the glory, etc.

He's a person that gets things done TO HIM.

You're right, they're nothing alike.  Kirk acts, Picard reacts.

>Kirk is certainly more of a take-charge and DO SOMETHING personality, but
>that's just his style of command.

Agreed 100%.

>>Can you see Kirk as a passionate student of archaeology, launching into
>>  long and boring discourses about the burial crypts of Tridelta Foo?

No.  But then again, I can't see him surrendering the ship either.

>>Can you see Picard as a womanizing, swashbuckling, loose cannon?

Nope.  Nor can I see him actually taking a *chance*.

In "Best of Both Worlds", Cmdr Shelby accused Riker of being frightened,
never taking a chance, always standing in the shadow of a great man such
as Picard.  I think that applies more to Picard than to Riker.

>In his younger days (c.f., "Samaritan Snare"), yes, I can.  He's clearly
>womanized a little and buckled a swash or two.

Yes, and sadly, those days are behind him.  Now, he has a woman (and a good-
looking, intelligent, mature one at that) practically throwing herself
at him, and he's not interested.

-- 
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From: gregt+@CMU.EDU (Gregory Ross Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: FTP site?
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:36:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EfHcu1200YUoEOqftV
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
> Even though the 6.01 version of the guide will be ready at the ftp site in t\
he
> near future, this posting is to inform you of the upcoming 6.02 release.

  Pardon my ignorance, but what's the address for the FTP site?

                -Greg
                 InterNet: gregt+@cmu.edu
                       or: gt0t+@andrew.cmu.edu
                 BITNet  : R746GT0T@CMCCVB
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From: pedersen@uvphys.phys.uvic.ca (PEDERSEN)
Subject: Re: Transporting thru shields?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: pedersen@uvphys.phys.uvic.ca
Organization: UVic, Physics & Astronomy, Victoria, BC
Date:  7 JAN 93 20:44:10    

In article <1993Jan7.214608.1@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>, kens@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes...
>In article <2121.2b461aad@mbcl.rutgers.edu>, wilson@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>> 
>> 	It has been my impression that transporters cannor be
>> utilized thru shieds.  
>> 	The repoeat epidosde where Scotte returns prompts this 
>> question/comment.  The ship Geordi and Scottie are on 
>> cleary has the shields up - but are transported off the 
>> Gelico. But I remember that shields were lowered to
>> transport the admiral-spy to a Romulan vessel - a bad time to do it
>> if you don't have to.
> 
>YEAH, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD TO LOWER THE SHIELDS BEFORE USING THE
>TRANSPORTER.  IN FACT, I CAN REMEMBER A FEW EPISODES THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO
>TRANSPORT SOMEONE BECAUSE THE SHIELDS WERE INTERFEREING WITH THE SIGNAL.
>YOU WOULD THINK THAT WITH THEM BEING SO "ADVANCED", THAT THEY COULD HAVE COME
>UP WITH A SYSTEM THAT WOULD WORK THROUGH THE SHIELDS.
> 
> 
> 
> 
They have transported through shields in the TNG episode with the renegade
starship in Cardasian territory.  I can't remember the details exactly, but
I seem to recall that O'Brien knew the sheild frequencies, and was able to
modulate the transporter to allow himself to be beamed over.  If Scotty and
Geordie sent the frequencies to the E (offscreen), then there is no problem.
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: ST:TNG and DS9: Musical Stations
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:24:52 GMT


In my region, Star Trek: TNG and Deep Space Nine seem to be playing
a kind of "musical chairs" with the TV stations.  This is how it 
goes:

I live in Springfield, Missouri.  The local ABC affiliate, KSPR 33,
broadcasts TNG Saturdays at 6:00 p.m. (about a week after the uplink).
However, I have heard that they are dropping TNG because of pressure
from the religious groups who seem to run the station.

Now, KDEB 27, the local Fox affiliate, has shown Deep Space Nine 
(at Sunday, 10 p.m.; very annoying).  I heard on this newsgroup that
Paramount was not selling DS9 to stations that had not already agreed
to carry TNG.  Does this mean that I should expect Star Trek: TNG
to show up on KDEB 27 next season?

If someone has an answer, I'd like to hear it...

--
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CHM173S@SMSVMA | Robotech/Rifts stories; DEFENDER of PALLADIUM BOOKS!!!         
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: forshadowing picard's exit etc.
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:55:12 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1993Jan5.074514.25494@ucselx.sdsu.edu> craig@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Craig R. Sadler) writes:
>  A great two hour show. I hope the series will be of the same quality. 
>I was struck by the similarity between the character Kira Nerys (Nana
>Visitor) and Ensign Ro Laren (Michelle Forbes). It seemed to me as if   
>they are having Visitor play Ro Laren's part to a tee. I'll bet she  
>even did a character study Michelle Forbes acting.

Well, this is probably due to 1) The part of Kira (most likely) originally
having been intended for Ro, and 2) Casting, looking around deliberately for
an actress with similarities to Michelle Forbes.

Though I suspect the character concept has changed *somewhat* since Ro
occupied Kira's position, since some elements of "Past Prologue" wouldn't have
made much sense with Starfleet Ensign Ro Laren in the place of Bajoran Major
Kira.

> The scene where Picard Beams O`Brien off the ship was forshadowing 
>Picard's impending departure from TNG. This occured again when Picard 
>turned and wallked away from Commander Sisko. Kinda sad.

This presumes that Stewart is leaving the show, which is (as far as I know) by
no means certain at this point.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
			- McCoy and Kirk; Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 12:07:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan09.222124.26009@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>
>Yeah, but when read aloud, DS9 comes out as "dee ess nine", which doesn't
>roll off the tongue like "dee ess enn" does.
>

Right!  That is exactly why I find the "9" so annoying...

(not that I read aloud :)

But, as a call sign for the station it does make sense.
From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Who's Hottest on DS9???
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:12:00 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

In article <1993Jan10.140054.10051@ac.dal.ca> novanet@ac.dal.ca writes:
>I'm voting for Jadzia Dax and Cmdr. Sisko's late wife. 

I'll put in my vote for Dax (even though she really is a slug)
 
J. Michael Clark
Ohio University
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From: lksmith@truth.mitre.org (Smith)
Subject: "Chain of Command" request -- was Re: picards french lines
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:53:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.150940.781@uoft02.utoledo.edu> estell@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (John K. Estell) writes:
>bernie.wong@canrem.com ("bernie wong") writes:
>: 
>: Yes, T. Lynch was right.  Picard said/muttered/screamed "You are...  six
>: years old...  Weak... and helpless...  You cannot....  HURT me!  Sur la
>: pont...  D'avignon...  On y danse..." and then we cut to the Enterprise.
>: Tim just couldn't decipher the french, that was all.  The song bit was
>: kinda psychological on Picard's part -- he was singing as if the torture
>: didn't hurt him, as if nothing was wrong.  It got Gul Madred pretty damn
>: pissed off too!  :-)
>
>Finally!  I can get some use out of my ol' H.S. French class! :-)
>
>Loosely translated, Picard was saying, "On the Avignon Bridge, they are
>dancing...."  It comes from a French "folk" song normally performed by kids
>(and students learning the language).
>


Thanks to both of you -- I've been wondering what those words were
after "you cannot hurt me."  I've seen the episode only once and had no
access to a VCR, and I couldn't make out the words at all, let alone
recognize them as French or translate them.

Here's my request, then:  I've been away from the net for two weeks and
missed ALL of the discussion on Chain of Command, Part 2 (though I did
see a lot on Part 1 before we left for our Christmas vacation).  I believe
I've seen mention here of a rec.arts.startrek.* archive site, but I don't
have the information now.  Is there such a site and could I find the
Part 2 discussions there?  And if so, how do I connect?

In addition to my being away from my newsfix, our local newsfeeder did
a year-end purge this weekend so I got back to my news connection only
to find NOTHING in any of my favorite newsgroups. :-(  (Though I did get
some work done this morning as a result...)  I'd really like to see the
comments and reviews on CofC Part 2 -- it was an incredible episode.

Thanks in advance for any and all information.

Linda Smith
lksmith@truth.mitre.org

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From: z57n@unb.ca (MCKAY  N)
Subject: Re: One LAST Time, O'Brien's rank.  After this, NO MORE OR B
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:08:20 GMT

In article <1ismn6INNpm3@lester.appstate.edu> BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny Barnes  ) writes:
>From: BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny Barnes  )
>Subject: Re: One LAST Time, O'Brien's rank.  After this, NO MORE OR B
>Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:52:54 GMT
>In <1993Jan10.215710.608@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>
>>
>> And that's it.  O'Brien is and always was a Chief Petty Officer, even
>> though he wasn't. 
>> 
>> 
>WRONG!
>
>According to PARAMOUNT, O'Brien is a LIEUTENANT!  Read it on Page 143 of the
>TNG Companion, 2nd column, 2nd from the last paragraph, published by POCKET
>BOOKS which is owned by PARAMOUNT.
>
Since I don't have my copy with me, I won't quote the several other acts of 
stupidity in the Companion, but the author has a) referred to the episode 
Datalore as Database, and b) said that Riker served as both the prosecutor 
and defendor at the hearing to determine whether or not Data is sentient.  
Riker was only the prosecutor;  Picard was the defender.

Besides which the Companion is not cannon.  The show itself is.  Watch it 
sometime.  :)

Neill McKay
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University of New Brunswick, Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
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