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From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Col. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: NBA stats wanted
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 01:33:19 EDT

In article <BvK5sM.M5p@acsu.buffalo.edu> v085f2wd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury) writes:
>If anyone has any sources for past season NBA stats (I already know about
>wuarchive.wustl.edu) especially from the 70s, and any current or past salary
>info, hopefully on-line, I would really appreciate it.
>
	I don't know anything other than wuarchive online.  In print, though,
your best bet would be the Encyclopedia of Pro Basketball, which has BAA, NBL,
and NBA stats since the early 40's, both regular season and playoffs.  
	The Sporting News NBA Register has all NBA regular season stats, and
playoff stats for the year before the one on the cover.  It also has all-time
statistical leaders in a bazillion categories.  I like this one a little 
better, because it's smaller, and more manageable.  If only it had all the
playoff stats...

				- Dev
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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Gaze in the NBA?
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:58:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.070420.1790@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (CRAWFORD, TROY) writes:
>
>Ahhh! So Overton was never a standout college player?  Of course, that is why
>he got drafted 2nd round 40th by the Pistons!  I thought Hornacek got drafted
>46 a few years before hand....ummmm....a good way to judge!

Bad example, Hornacek is a rare case.  First, he had to walked on at
Iowa (State?), then was the 12th man on the Suns his rookie year (one of
the worst rosters in the NBA at the time).  Probably the only reason he
remained on the team was that the rest (litterly!) fo them were traded
or released during the drug scandles.  The Suns keeping Hornecek was
probably as much luck and circumstance as anything else.  There aren't
too many allstar second-rounders out there - anyone have the numbers?
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Magic's reappearing act
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:12:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <97306@bu.edu> sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
>
>The discussion raises the question: has anyone before Magic returned to
>NBA after an official retirement?
i
Dave Cowens did.




Russ Smith
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:09:31 GMT

In article <56338@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>
rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
 
>>Nets didn't match the Pistons $10 mill/5 year offer, so formerly restricted
>>free agent Mills is a Piston!
>Shouldn't the ! have been a )-:  ? Mills did pretty well last year, but
>no way is he worth that money.
 
The "!" is for the 15-day wait for the Nets to match the offer. They said
all along they would sign Mills. How many restricted free agents can you
name that have been signed by another team?
 
Mills is a Pistons fan, and really wanted to play here in Detroit (really
Auburn Hills) close to his home in Romulus, Michigan. He didn't want to
play in New Jersey.
 
>Did the Pistons put a weight clause in
>the offer sheet?
 
Mills and his agent asked for the weight clause. Now Mills will be fined
if he goes over 250lbs. This means the 6'10" Mills will have to keep his
weight under that of 6'9" Karl Malone and 6'4(?)" Charles Barkley.
At the end of last season, he weighed 248, but Nets sources say he has
gone up to 274 over the summer.
 
>Mills has never lived up to his highschool press clippings,
 
They must have been incredible clippings. Mills led Michigan to the NCAA
title in '89.
 
>and I don't think he'll be a big help to Detroit. At least he's relatively
>young though.
 
He'll be big, alright. :) At least he has some kind of inside game.
If Rodman stays, Mills presence may allow Dennis to switch to small
forward when necessary.
 
Overall, it remains to be seen how much of a plus or minus will be to
the Pistons.
 
>Russ Smith
 
--Eric
From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Knicks
Date: 27 Sep 1992 00:22:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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The Knicks take the Bulls to a seven game series and almost pull of the
upset, so what do they do next year?  They trade or get rid of every key
player in this run except Ewing!?  Is success frowned on in New York?  I
don't care what they got, they seem to have given up most of the tough team
players like McDaniel and Jackson.  So, they wait for this team to jell
around mid-season (maybe), take the Bulls to 7 in the Eastern finals again,
then trade all those players to start over? ;)

Mike
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: pervis ellison
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:20:22 GMT

hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:

>Well, Adams is certainly a gunner but his shot selection & FG% is
>questionable. He's supposed to be the PG and run the offense, but
>in many cases last year he *was* the offense. Don't get me wrong, 
>I like Adams a lot, but they really need a SG or SF who can stick
>the J. Maybe Chapman can do this, I thought that he was more of
>a slasher type? Price is still a major question mark IMO.

	While Chapman has a lot of moves to the hoop, I wouldn't consider
	him a slasher.  He has a sweet outside shot.  His bad percentage
	is mostly due to his lack of shot selection.  But as I stated before,
	he is getting better at it.

	Jazzy J

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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Attn:  Eli Barzilai
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:00:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Is Eli Barzilai out there?  If you're out there, drop me a line,
okay?

Tony Minkoff
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What the hell happend to the CAP! (Re: Magic signs $14.6M)
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:41:39 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

In article <1992Oct2.215944.3131@ennews.eas.asu.edu> koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>
>OK, then you did they sign Threat (or whoever)?  If I recall, they used
>1/2 of Magics salary to go get someone (I thought it was Threat).  How
>did they do this if he was only on IR?  Some Laker fan want to correct
>me here?

You might remember that Threatt was a Laker before Magic found out he was
HIV+.  So there's no way that his signing has anything to do with Magic.

>Ahhhhh. This is simply a contract extension.  So, in 94-95 the Lakers
>will have absolutely no one on their roster, since they can't pay anyone,
>since they used up all their cap on Magic this year.  Makes perfect
>sense to me.  I now understand where that money came from, it just
>seems like a big price to pay.  Magic this year for no team in '94.

Do you believe either Jerry West or Magic Johnson would cripple a team
in the future?  Somehow I don't think the whole story is being told.
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From: burt@zeus.tamu.edu (Burt Juarez)
Subject: Re: Whither the Celts?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:56:00 GMT

In article <WILLIE.92Sep28104226@amalthea.osf.org>, willie@amalthea.osf.org (William Williams) writes...
> 
>Who do Celts' fans think we should go after?  Rodman?  Manning?  Willis?

Well, the Celts need desperately need a point guard (if Brown does not
emerge).  They also need a small forward to take the place of the Legend.

>What should we use for bait?  Gamble?  Douglas?  Fox? (I'd trade all
> three of these for any of the above).

For bait, (or rather who is expendable)  use Douglas.  However, I don't think
many teams are interested in him.  He tends to play out-of-control and he 
thinks he's a superstar!!! *sheesh*  Rick Fox didn't impress me either.
I guess the reason he got so much attention was because he was playing on 
the C's.  They're a popular team.  Gamble is I don't know.  Sometimes he's
red hot, sometimes he's ice cold.  I'd definitely trade these three guys 
for somebody.

>What do we do when Parish/McHale go down?

That's a problem.  We definitely need a decent bench.

>How do we keep the regular season ending/Pacers series chemistry
> and improve on it?
>Is Walter Berry still in the picture?
> 
> 
>
From: aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Tony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: prediction contest
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:49:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Again, here is the article on my prediction contest.  I will repost
this article every few weeks, until the season begins.

Here is a list of entries I have so far:

 Doug Mraz  <jdm42241@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
 edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury)
 Suri Brahmaroutu <suri@snap.la.locus.com>
 Bucky Ransdell <wgr%jaguar@rti.rti.org>
 "Thomas Hyer"                                  <IOR@SLACVM.BitNet>

To enter, mail your predictions to <aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu> with
the string 'prediction contest' in the "Subject: " line.

The object is to predict how many games will be won by each team.
Each guess should be of the following form:  a three-letter team
code, followed by an integer in the range 0-82.  There should be only
one prediction to a line.  The three-letter team code is the first
three letters of the team's location, with the following exceptions:
Los Angeles Clippers = lac, Los Angeles Lakers = lal, Golden State
Warriors = gsw, New Jersey Nets = njn, New York Knicks = nyk.

Here is a sample entry, from a rather uncreative fellow who expects
each team to win as many games this year as last:

bos 51
nyk 51
njn 40
mia 38
phi 35
was 25
orl 21
chi 67
cle 57
det 48
ind 40
atl 38
cha 31
mil 31
uta 55
san 47
hou 42
den 24
dal 22
min 15
por 57
gsw 55 
pho 53
sea 47
lac 45
lal 43
sac 29

You may list your predictions in any order, but there must be
exactly one prediction for each team.

Your score is the sum of the absolute deviations between your
prediction for each team and the number of games actually won by
the team.  The object is to minimize your score.

Predictions must be received by Nov. 5th to be accepted.

I will repost this article every two weeks or so until the season
begins.

Good luck!

Tony Minkoff
From: adam@research.nj.nec.com (Adam Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Knicks remarks
Date: 25 Sep 92 14:50:09 GMT
Reply-To: adam@research.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Originator: adam@acapella


In interviews with Knick president Dave Checketts, player personnel
director Ernie Grunfeld, and Charles Smith himself, all 3 mentioned
that Charles can play all 3 front-line positions.

Every time Dave Checketts mentions Bo Kimble in all of this, he refers
to Kimble as "an interesting player".  Checketts also acknowledged
that trading Kimble was a possibility.

Is Mark Jackson worth more than Doc Rivers and Bo Kimble put together?
I think so.  I wish they still had Mark in place of those 2 guys.

The Knicks will begin this season without last year's starting
backcourt (Gerald Wilkins/Mark Jackson).  It's likely that there will
be at least 2 new players (Smith and Blackman, and possibly Campbell)
in the starting lineup.

Reports from training camp indicated that Anthony Mason (already a
big, strong guy) has bulked up significantly and that he's even
bigger, stronger, and meaner under the basket!

Regarding the Knicks/Bulls matchup:  You can go down the line and try
to compare the players position by position if you want to.  I'm not
sure what can be derived that way...But one thing I am sure of.  The
Knicks took the Bulls to 7 games last year by playing tough defense
and OUTREBOUNDING the Bulls.  I think the Knicks are now, if anything,
a better rebounding team and should be able to outrebound any team in
the NBA.

The 2-guard position is a question mark.  John Starks is an exciting,
hard-working player who deserves to get time.  But you've got a
blue-chipper (Blackman) there, and I'm sure Riley will want to give
the rookie (Hubert Davis) some time.  Will Doc Rivers spend time at
2-guard, or will he just share the point with Greg Anthony?  Will Tony
Campbell be full-time small forward or play at 2-guard also?  

Maybe Pat Riley will take advantage of this flexibility.  Then again,
for coherence, maybe it will mean a smaller number of players getting
more minutes.  This should be an interesting year.  And don't count
out the possibility of another move before the season starts.

Anyone have a Knicks schedule?  When's the first exhibition game?  Can
NBA.C be modified to give a single team's schedule?  (Didn't last
year's version do that?)


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From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons officially!
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:34:17 GMT
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
>Mills led Michigan to the NCAA title in '89.

Mills LED them???  Geez, here I was thinking that Glen Rice was the
one who stuck all of those clutch baskets every time Michigan needed
them.  The only thing that Mills led in was probably the crucial
`doughnuts consumed' category (I think he still has the school record).

My theory is that the Pistons didn't even want him that much but thought
that Jersey would match the offer.  After all, it worked with Jon Koncak.
I can just picture Detroit's front office personnel, sitting around in
shock.  "What do you mean, they didn't match the offer?!?!?"

Bob Davis
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Nets don't match, Terry Mills -> Pistons!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:50:20 GMT

EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
> 
>>        I think Mills' decision had to do with the fact that the Pistons are
>>        in Detroit.  Mills grew up and played HS ball in Romulus, which is
>>        a suburb of Detroit.  He then played his college ball at Michigan,
>>        which again was close to home.  Playing in Detroit keeps him close
>>        to home, and mom's good cooking (which we all know Mills will gladly
>>        take advantage of!  :)  ).  He's getting $2 million, and he can live
>>        at home w/ the folks (kinda like a college student living at home!).
>>        I don't think it really has much to do w/ the team situation...
> 
>Yeah, and the Pistons only made the offer to get back at Daly, but it
>backfired. Right.

	Whoa... I never said this.  Don't misquote me here... The Pistons
	must have saw something special in Mills -- otherwise they wouldn't
	have offered him the dough.

>Yesterday's New York Times had a big article about how Mills wanted to
>stay with the Nets becuz he thought the Pistons were over the hill. It was
>after a meeting with Isiah Thomas that he became convinced of the Pistons'
>desire to rebuild with younger players and decided he wanted to leave
>the Nets.

>Things like playing close to home (which is where he has lived all along BTW)
>and playing to cheers of Michigan basketball fans are just icing on the cake.
>(pardon the reference to food ;-)  )

	It certainly is icing on the cake -- I really think that was a big
	factor in Terry's decision.  For example -- when he picked a college,
	Michigan was a no-brainer.  But when you're drafted -- U really don't
	have a choice where U can go (Actually, Mills started out in Denver).
	Mills may have balked at first to the deal (considering the Pistons
	are on the downswing) -- but after talking to Isiah -- and better
	weighing the fact that he would play at home -- I'm sure it had a
	lot to do with it.  Like they say, there's nothing like home...

	Jazzy J
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From: goedde@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What the hell happend to the CAP! (Re: Magic signs $14.6M)
Date: 4 Oct 1992 13:59:27 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1992Oct2.215944.3131@ennews.eas.asu.edu> koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:

>OK, then you did they sign Threat (or whoever)?  If I recall, they used
>1/2 of Magics salary to go get someone (I thought it was Threat).  How
>did they do this if he was only on IR?  Some Laker fan want to correct
>me here?

Threatt was signed _before_ anybody knew that Magic would "retire".
He was brought in as a backup for Magic, not as a replacement.  I
don't know where the money came from, but I vaguely remember talk that
Magic had agreed to defer some of his money so that they could sign
Threatt.  The Lakers eventually signed Rory Sparrow, as I recall (I
seem to have tried to blot this from my memory).

>Ahhhhh. This is simply a contract extension.  So, in 94-95 the Lakers
>will have absolutely no one on their roster, since they can't pay anyone,
>since they used up all their cap on Magic this year.  Makes perfect
>sense to me.  I now understand where that money came from, it just
>seems like a big price to pay.  Magic this year for no team in '94.

Others have explained this.  I just want to say that Magic isn't the
first player to get a deal like this.  Both Bird and Drexler signed
contract extensions for $$$/year.  I seem to recall that Clyde's was
for 7 or 9 million for one year.  Magic's is different only as a
matter of degree.

>You know, the cap was a good idea.  It's done more for league parity
>than anyone would have imagined (unlike the LA/Boston 80's).

But LA and Boston didn't rise to the top through free agency, they did
it through trades and smart drafts.  Boston got Bird+McHale+Parish for
"free" (J.B. Carroll+a very smart draft pick).  Wasn't Ainge a
relatively low pick (wanted to play baseball)?  And they got "retread"
DJ from Phoenix.  LA traded for Jabbar and a draft pick that became
James Worthy.  The interesting thing is that they got the draft pick
that became Magic as _compensation_ for the signing of Gail Goodrich
by the New Orleans Jazz.  If the NBA had had unrestricted free agency
then, the Lakers would never have gotten Magic.  [See, for example,
"Winning Times" by Ostler and Springer for this story.]

What the cap has done is make trading very hard, which makes it
difficult for the smart gm's to take advantage of the stupid ones.
Also, even the most stupid now realize the value of very high draft
picks.  Protect the stupid from themselves, and you have parity.

chris
goedde@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: John Starks Forgot About
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:17:45 GMT

paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode) writes:

>In article <Bv5LEq.6w2@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>> 
>> 	Actually, Barros led the leage at 44%, which is a decent percentage,
>> 	but hardly superb.  

>Let's see...if Dana hits 44 of 100 3-ptrs, he scores 132 points for his
>team. He'd have to hit 66 of 100 2-ptrs -- or shoot 66% -- to score the
>same amount from that range. Now, even given that he misses out on some
>FTs from 3-pt land, I'd still say that his production from there is very
>respectable, and even superb.

	Well, what I was referring to was that for 44% to lead the league,
	it was a rather low percentage.  If U look back at previous league
	leaders, U had people like Jon Sunvold at 52% (granted, he didn't
	take all that many 3's), but U also had people like Trent Tucker
	and Craig Hodges who used to lead the league at a 49% clip, which
	is definitely superb.  

	But anyways -- the original arguement was that someone was saying
	that Starks' percentage wasn't worth the shots.  Starks hit about
	34% -- which translates to over 50% on 2-pt shots (using your
	calculations).  I'd say Starks' bombs are worth the while...

	Jazzy J
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Subject: Pervis- "never nervous", or just, "out of service" ???
From: elda@chen.bgu.ac.il (elda weizman )
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:41:58 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel


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From: benjie@quack.sac.ca.us (Android)
Subject: Magic's Back
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:23:48 GMT


Yes, Magic Johnson is back.  He will be playing for LA Lakers, about 50-60
of 82 games next season.
-- 
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     BBB		Theoretical Truths, Unless It Is Inconsistent.
From: ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Karl Witte)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Anthony Avent
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:15:21 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 05-Oct-92 in Anthony Avent                
user Richard Byron Ward@cs.ut writes:
>Who has the rights to Anthony Avent?  I thought that he had definite
>NBA potential when he played for Seton Hall, but then he chose
>the european route...  Also, how many years is he contracted to play in 
>Europe?
Miwaukee does.  He is back with Milwaukee this year.  He chose Italy
because the Bucks couldn't fit him under the salary cap.  This year they
have.  I saw him at a rookie scrimmage at the end of a Bucks training
camp - he looked pretty good.  Really strong, good outside shot, so nice
moves, and some powerful board-banging.
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From: gruiz@Cadence.COM (Gil Ruiz)
Subject: Re: Michael Cooper 
Keywords: Jordan, Bird, Michael Cooper
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 20:17:24 GMT


Is it true that Micahel Cooper is now a coach with the Lakers. I hope this is
true because he might be able to motivate Byron Scott.

Gil
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