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From: peltz-russell@CS.YALE.EDU (Russell Peltz)
Subject: Re: Phillies HRs(was Re: Harry & Ron)
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:07:48 GMT

In article <ZFLHBZSB@cc.swarthmore.edu> jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:
>peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>> 	I got the impression that they were one in the same.  I didn't
>> 	really state it correctly above.  Maybe some Phanatic knows
>> 	"the real story"...
>
>	The local announcers were saying that it was the first time since, I
>believe, 1989. (Might have been '90.) The last time was against the Expos.
>They've certainly hit three in an inning several times since 1949. I
>remember at least a couple back-to-back-to-back ones with Schmidt, Lusinski
>and someone else.
>
>-Jeff "Phanatic born and bred but leaving town in 4 months"

'89 sounds right.  Milt Thompson, Von Hayes, and Mike Schmidt had
back-to-back-to-back home runs.

-Rusty

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From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Mets and Yankees
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 15:59:15 EDT

In article <L1TcJB5w164w@banana.ithaca.ny.us>
henning@banana.ithaca.ny.us (Henning Pape-Santos) writes:
 
>
>About the colors: I thought you knew that the Mets' uniform colors
>were chosen to serve as reminders of the Dodgers (blue) and Giants
>(orange). Has nothing to do with the Yanks at all.
>
     The Mets' uniforms are supposed to combine the Dodgers' and
Giants'?!  This is like combining the Yanks and BoSox, or Cubs
and Cards.  No wonder everybody hates the Mets. :-)
 
Jeff
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Least valuable players
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:45:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr14.122338.9116@cbnews.cb.att.com> dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott) writes:

>>   Lynn Jones, OF DET

>>      A backup outfielder his entire 8 year career.  How did he last that
>>   long?  One of the worst fielders ever to roam the outfield.  

>My memory of Jones was that he was an excellent outfielder.  He spent his
>entire career as a defensive replacement guy, and had no defensive
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[This could be the problem]

>What sort of formula do they use to figure defensive value?  It sure doesn't
>look reasonable to me.

If I'm not mistaken, the earlier edition of _TB_ used games played at the
position as the normalizing factor, thereby trashing the stats of players
who consistently played less than 9 innings in games in which they appeared.
The second edition has made the shift (I believe) to Defensive Equivalent
Games, based on innings played.

Clearly, a guy who only played the 8th and 9th innings of most games is going
to have a rotten PO/G ratio no matter *how* good he is.



-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
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From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Blue Jays win 4-2
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 22:51:29 GMT

Jack Morris pitched a complete game in his Tiger Stadium homecoming.
He also had seven strikeouts.

Pat Borders (after a Morgana imposter tried to kiss him) and John
Olerud each had homers and Roberto Alomar had a spectacular play at
second base.

The Jays look really good already.

1 down, 161 to go.

Go Jays.

-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS   1-0   at Tigers Monday (4-2), Wednesday and Thursday
 End the strike.  Get back on the ice.  Get the playoffs going.
From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Murphy (was: Re: Phillies Injury Report)
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:55:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: YaleVM.167C4FC15.CAVGEOE
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Apr9.201048.6703@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
 
>
>for...but by June they should know what fine tuning they need. I think
>Dale Murphy will not be wearing a Phillies uniform at season's end...
>
>Pete Clark Jr.
>att!hos1cad!seth
>
>PS Maybe that last bit is just wishful thinking, tho...
 
     Please, can we save our nasty remarks for players who aren't future
HOFers and all-around great people?  If you *must* trade Murph, just throw
in that Greene kid and I'm sure we'll give you a fine reliever... :-)
 
Jeff
GO BRAVES! 2-0 -- 17 inning scoreless streak ends :-(
From: geoff@eecom.gatech.edu (Geoffrey Parker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Gant's stolen base was stolen
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:45:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Engineering Group, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0250


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From: texdude@camelot.bradley.edu (Philip Allen)
Subject: Rangers trivia
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:00:21 GMT


Just a few quick Rangers' trivia questions........

1. What two Rangers' coaches switched jobs their jobs over the winter?

2. What is a Jack Attack?

3. Who had the highest BA/SLG/OBA last season?

4. Name the only backup catcher in the past five years that lead the team
in stolen bases.  (Hint:  He played another position most of the time.)


Phil
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 1992 Braves Predictions
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:16:19 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <92097.182147MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>         Well, I thought (not like you care) that I would post my predictions
>    for my Braves this year.  Last year I predicted the Braves would finish no
>    worse than 10 games out, which of course came true.  But I did get replies
>    like this:
>
>              Mark,
>                   About your Braves predictions: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
>              BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
>                                           Signed
>                                                 The net.
>
>     So, skeptical though you may be, here it is:
>
>            The Braves will win the 1991 World Series.

If that's your prediction, I'll give you any odds you want.

BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

:)
-- 
Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
From: pbenjami@sjuphil.uucp (Paul Benjamin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Sierra and Clemente
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:54:45 GMT
Organization: Saint Joseph's University

In article <204509@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>In article <34986@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman) writes:

>This is a good point.  If you check the Thorn and Palmer normalized OPS
>numbers (their "PRO+") for Clemente, he starts looking much much better.
>His best years were ~170% league average, which he did twice.  Sierra's best
>so far is '89, at ~150% league average.  On the other hand, Sierra has been
>clearly better in his career so far than Clemente was at the same ages.

It's interesting to see the differences in people's careers. For
example, Yazstremski was excellent from his first year to his last,
whereas Clemente was OK for the first few years of his career, then
had several awesome years in the mid '60s, followed by several fine
years. In overall performance, Yaz is right up there with Roberto,
but in peak performance, there is no comparison - Clemente wins
hands down. His years in the mid '60s were fabulous, particularly
if you adjust his power numbers for playing in Forbes. (It's too
bad he was playing in Pitt for such terrible teams then - he got
no press at all.) So who was "better"? Depends on what you want.
I think the same sort of comparison may hold with Sierra and Clemente.

Now, I think the slow start of Clemente's career can be attributed
to the large jump he made from the low minors to the majors. The
Pirates had to keep him at the major league level after drafting
him from LA, or lose him.

Paul Benjamin
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Expos
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 08:46:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.035849.16471@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>Does anyone have any info on this Fletcher guy the Expos have as catcher?
>He had a pretty amazing game today, so I'm hoping he's a young prospect
>unlike the other 2 catchers they have (not that I mind Carter and the other 
>guy).

He's 25; not very old.  On the other hand, he ain't very good, either.
At least not offensively.  By the NLoCD, he's probably a defensive superstar, 
though.

>The Expos will not finish any worse than 3rd this season - mark my words.
>They have youth, talent, and pretty decent pitching.

I agree.  I can't see how anyone could look at the Phillies or Cubs and
pick them over the Expos, who are better at virtually every roster spot.

>Also, am I the only one that thinks the MLB playoff format sucks?
>It's nuts that all but 4 teams are playing 162 games for nothing!
>If one team gets off to a good start, the other 5 or 6 teams in the
>division have to play the rest of the season knowing it's for nothing.

A good start?  Not unless you're talking about 81-0!  How does a good
start help unless you have a good finish too?  This isn't a 16 game football
season; 162 games is plenty to even out lucky streaks at the start of a
season.  Only 2 teams, since divisional play began, have ever done what 
you're complaining about -- leading the division from the beginning 
(84 Tigers, 90 Reds) So what's the problem?

>There's GOT to be a 'happy medium' somewhere between the hockey playoff
>format and the MLB one.

>I figure if they had the top 2 teams in each division play a best-of-5
>series, the owners would make more money, and the fans would have some
>exciting 'ball to watch late in the season.

Ewww!  Who needs it?  That would have meant that things like the 1991
Braves/Dodgers or 1989 Orioles/Jays pennant races would have been
meaningless.  No thank you.  I'll take baseball's system.  Why should we
take a team proven to be not as good and let it play a short series to
see if it can get lucky and beat a better team?

Not to mention that the season would go until November.

>--Dave

-- 
David M. Nieporent              |ALEast 92: 1.Baltimore 2.Boston 3.Toronto
niepornt@phoenix.princeton.edu  |4. Detroit 5.Milwaukee 6.NY 8.Cleveland
"Baseball stathead, and card-carrying member of the ACLU.  And proud of it."
From: rwr@mpd.tandem.com (Rick Ramke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Mariners home 4-22, 23, 24?
Summary: Mariners home games
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:12:37 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

Anyone know if the Mariners are playing at home the evenings of
April 22, 23, or 24?

Thanks.

-Rick
From: thornley@cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 15 day DL...WHY?
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:04:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr17.160450.4289
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <farenebt.703515024@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri) writes:
>Why is it called the 15 day DL when some players stay on it much or
>most of the season?

Because 15 days is the minimum.  If a team puts a player on the 15-day
DL, the player sits for at least 15 days.

David Thornley
"Sprained joint on middle finger going upstairs one night - wound up
on 7-day DL for most housework purposes."
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From: texdude@cs1.bradley.edu (Philip Allen)
Subject: What's up with the Rangers?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:11:55 GMT

Ok, the Season Opener was normal.  The Rangers won, but only by out-
hitting the Mariners.  The bullpen almost blew the game in the last two 
innings, but the Rangers just managed to pull through (like a lot of
last year's games).  But these past three games are scaring me.

Ranger pitching has given up two runs in the past three games.  And
they're still hitting a ton.  Has hell frozen over?

I know that three good starts does not make a good pitching rotation,
but what if the Rangers *do* have decent pitching this year?


Phil
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From: baxtman@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Captain Chaos)
Subject: Yankees Trivia
Originator: baxtman@zephyr.cair.du.edu
Organization: University of Denver
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 03:09:49 GMT

Does anyone know where the Yankees first town was?  

Just a stupid trivia question that I thought I would ask
send replys to me or whereever.

Captain Chaos


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From: reynard@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (John Reynard)
Subject: Expos, Expos, Expos
Summary: Mets in last place and faltering
Keywords: Mets in last place
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:33:41 GMT


Well to all nice reasonable Mets fans I apoligize for what I am about to post.

Reasons why the Mets have looked bad so far
1) Miserable defense (real bad, bad throws, poor range, dumb plays)

2) Weak Offense (hey guys if we get past Bonilla we get 4 or 5 free outs)

3) Greedy Players (Coleman stealing 3B with 2 outs to get better stats is 
the best example but there is a general tendancy in NY towards this)

4) Their bench is incredibly weak with Gallagher, and some other guys who are
weak hitters or extremely poor fielders.

5) Weak bullpen with Dewey, Gibson, and some guys who are O.K.


To Rubadubhas, 
  Well aren't the Mets going to have a hard time now only losing 8 games.
  Gosh I'm envious of them.  Actually I wouldn't mind being a highly paid 
  loser so maybe I am slightly envious of them:)

Well thats enough gloating for now 

John
Go Expos

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From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Standings
Keywords: AL: BLUE JAYS and Rangers lead...  NL:  Ties at top of both divisions
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 12:28:55 GMT

  Baseball   Standings

American League
           East
Team       Wins   Losses    GB

BLUE JAYS    3       0       -
Yankees      2       0        .5
Orioles      2       1       1
Indians      1       2       2
Brewers      1       2       2
Red Sox      0       2       2.5
Tigers       0       3       3

           West

Rangers      4       0       -
Athletics    3       0        .5
White Sox    3       0        .5
Twins        2       1       1.5
Angels       0       3       3
Royals       0       3       3.5
Mariners     0       4       4

National League
           East

Pirates      2       1       -
Phillies     2       1       -
Cardinals    2       2        .5
Mets         2       2        .5
EXPOS        1       2       1
Cubs         1       2       1

           West

Braves       2       1       -
Giants       2       1       -
Dodgers      2       1       -
Padres       2       2        .5
Astros       1       2       1
Reds         1       3       1.5
-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS  3-0  v. Orioles   Friday, Saturday and Sunday
 The Rangers jinx continues.  The year they could win, they strike.
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From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Unbearable Braves Promotion
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 01:25:44 EDT

In article <AdtT6n200Uh_05Ppgv@andrew.cmu.edu>
pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam) writes:
 
>
>Response to charges of sour grapes:
>
>Every team has a TV station which follows thgem all season. KDKA ,
>PIttsburgh has some overly sentyimental specials on the pIrates
>occasionally. However when such overly sentimental mush is produced for
>a team which has billed itself as America's team -thanks to the owner's
>superstation- the team becomes an easy target to make fun of. When
>Cincinnati wond the Series in 1990, I am sure they had one of those
>overblown specials, whichthey are entitled to. But it would have been on
>a local level and no such stupid billing as Cincinnati being America's
>team with some celebrities chipping in the special.
 
No argument here about the "America's team" moniker; it should have been
left in the era that produced it, the early 80s.  Still doesn't mean
you should prefer to get beat by perennial contenders instead of cinder-
ellas, though:  if the Braves don't win the division in '93, I'd much
rather see the Rockies take it than the Dodgers or the Reds.
 
Jeff Caveney
GO BRAVES! -- 3-1
 
 
 
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From: cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter)
Subject: Re: I Told You Bonilla Was Worth the Money
Keywords: Seriously:  A Truly Different Mets' Team
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:05:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.143334.15903@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen C. Miller) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.135124.26463@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dick1@hera.uucp (25436-vaughn) writes:
>>
>>Well, yeah, Bobby Bo's debut last night was pretty spectacular
>>(He's way ahead of both Ruth's and Maris' home run pace),
>
>Yup - right on track to hit over 300.  Should justify his contract.
>-- 
>--------------------
>=Steve Miller	 		    stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
>		(Former rock star turned grad student)
>  Happyhappy joyjoy happyhappy joyjoy happyhappy joyjoy happyhappy joyjoy

What is all this garbage?

One game has been play, and people are acting like the season is  2/3
gone, with Bonilla repeating the first game every game.

Hog wash,   One good game  *Doesn't*  make a season.

Dan
From: texdude@camelot.bradley.edu (Philip Allen)
Subject: Re: Kevin Brown = Cy Young?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa,local
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:04:04 GMT

In <1992Apr13.231932.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67709317@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:

>I'm not optimistic about his chances.  I had him on my roto team in 1989 
>and 1990 before I threw him back.  He started out strong both years 
>before pulling up lame around mid-season.  Nice kid; I'd have rooted for him
>even if he wasn't my property.  He still hasn't won more than 12 games in a
>season.

But in those two years, he started out giving up a lot of hits and walks in
those games.  He's looking much better now.

>If Valentine is letting him throw CGs in April, you should start worrying.
>Soon.

Kevin proved last year that he can pitch 200+ innings.  He almost had
several CG's last year.  He just had a tendency to lose them in the eighth
or ninth inning.  Also, he had 12(!) games where he left the game with a
possible win and the bullpen lost it for him....


Phil
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From: dae@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.a.elliott)
Subject: Re: Least valuable players
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:23:38 GMT

In article <13APR199213260005@deimos.ucc.umass.edu> s5170748@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (THAN LEE) writes:
>While all of this talk centers around Alfredo Griffin and his recent shortstop
>companions, there have been some truly atrocious players who were NOT light-
>hitting, poor-fielding shortstops.  I give you:
>
>   Lynn Jones, OF DET
>      A backup outfielder his entire 8 year career.  How did he last that
>   long?  One of the worst fielders ever to roam the outfield.  -33 -5 -82
>   Hey, this guy makes Rowland Office look like Clemente!  In all, he had
>   a TPR of -12.5.

Jones finished up his career with KC, and I believe is now a coach in their
organization.  His coaching specialty?  Outfield defense!

My memory of Jones was that he was an excellent outfielder.  He spent his
entire career as a defensive replacement guy, and had no defensive
weaknesses that I can remember.  He was Lonnie Smith's personal late inning
replacment on the Royals' 85 championship team.  Sure, he was a weak
offensive player (a .250 hitter with no power), but I find it hard to
believe that he could be rated so poorly on defense.  Rather than being
"one of the worst fielders ever to roam the outfield", he was one of the
better outfielders in the AL in the 80's.

What sort of formula do they use to figure defensive value?  It sure doesn't
look reasonable to me.


Dave Elliott
From: reynard@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (John Reynard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson v Nolan Ryan
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:05:13 GMT
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science


As to any comparison between R.Henderson and N.Ryan, its real hard to compare
but I'd rather have had Ryan for his carrer than Rickey for his carrer.

If you love Rickey so much explain why he stinks when he is upset at the team  
for not giving him more money.

That's not the player I'd want on my team.

Rickey is good maybe even great but I wait for the day when he is 50 and 
DeSheilds or Grissom or someone goes out there and says well Rickey you 
aren't the greatest anymore and makes him look bad.  It'd be even better
if they took Brock along to spit on him.

Just my $.02 so flame away.
John
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