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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:02:15 EST
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: tous les matins du monde

Note:  this person's mailer picked me up as the message originator, when in
fact, I just forwarded it to =EARLYM-L=.  I present it sans comments, since
I haven't yet seen the film.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
In article <EARLYM-L%93010501302196@AEARN.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT>,
MAINT2@ERS.BITNET (Ken Koester) writes:
> Ok, the holiday film treat for me was Tous Les Matins Du Monde...

Must have been a very boring holiday season for you.  This film
finally made it to Chicago, and I rushed to see it.  What a dis-
appointment.  And a as a gambist, I was simply embarrassed.
It has the same passionate, tempest-in-a-teapot character as the
French Baroque music it details, but the intimacy simply does not
work on the big screen.  And Depardieu sleepwalks--literally--through
the whole thing.  (Honestly, the only movie in which he was well
cast--the part I think he was born to play--was "Danton", but that's
another story.)

> Back to the music: not only are there stunning viole performances
> of the music of Sainte Columbe and Marais by Jordi Savall...

True, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist, nor even a
gamba player, to see that what Savall plays is not what the actors
are mimicking.  It's not even close.  Well, Depardieu fils probably
had a few cello lessons.  Otherwise it was pretty dismal acting--
amateur "air guitar" players are more convincing musicians.

But OK, let's overlook the ungainly pseudo-playing.  The worst
discontinuity was a scene--and not just any scene, the *denouement*--
which takes place on a cold January night.  So how come all the trees
were all in full leaf?  Sheesh.  I would have fallen asleep, but I
was laughing too hard.

               *** ***
Ken Perlow   ***** *****
05 Jan 93   ****** ******   16 Nivose An CCI
            *****   *****   gadfly@ihspc.att.com
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...L'AUDACE!   *** ***   TOUJOURS DE L'AUDACE!  ENCORE DE L'AUDACE!
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:24:05 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Thread....
              5 Jan 1993 23:27:20 EST from <Adam.Levin@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU>

On Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:27:20 EST Adam Levin said:
>Marsha shamelessly lays the bait:
>> When I used to do radio, we had a music marathon (88.5 hrs of straight
>> music!) Some of the late-nite hours were called "Waste of Vinyl"....
...
>> ... Anyway, I'm curious what you folks would nominate as
>> wastes of vinyl....or magnetic tape, or whatever CD's are made
>> of......Should give you something to think about at work....
>
>Hehe. I'll tell you what. Go find yourself this weeks listing of Billboard's
>Top 40. That'll give you a good head start. 8)

Aw, c'mon, that's much too easy :-)

Limiting myself to my CD collection (since I have a list online, and can't
get to all the records sitting in crates in my closet at home since I'm at
work - I'm sure there are some great wastes there :-) ):

Yngwie Malmsteen - Marching Out (what can I say...)
Huey Lewis - Fore (totally forgettable)
Elvis - Rocker (a stupid 25 minute compilation; I'm not an Elvis fan anyway)
Miles Davis (!) - You're Under Arrest (had to be just practice after his 5
  year absence; actually not *too* bad but there are standards that should
  be maintained, and his were higher than most :-)

I remember once reading a review of an early 80's Boston band which had some
stuff reissued on CD, and the reviewer had absolutely *hated* the band while
they were extent, so gave the CD a mean, spiteful review to 'warn everyone'.
He probably doubled sales of a CD nobody would have otherwise noticed.
Fortunately I can't remember the name of the band, so y'all will be spared the
temptation of trying to find it :-)

>I picked up:
>Joe Ely _Love and Danger_

I grabbed his Live at Liberty Lunch a few months ago, on sale. Good stuff.

>Carlos Santana and John Mclaughlin _Love Devotion Surrender_

I'm anxious to hear about this - is it now or old? Santana and Mac together!

>Robert Fripp and the Crafty Guitarists _Live_

That's *League* of CG. One of the odder recordings I've encountered - about
15 or so acoustic guitars arranged in a semicircle playing together. Not a
sound you hear every day, that's for sure. Interesting stuff I haven't heard
in a while now.

Paul
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:19:40 EST
From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Free country?? I'd beg to differ...

>On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:41:00 GMT Gary Hanley said:
>>on me yet. I only indulge in a joint from time to time, and this past
>>New Years was one of them times. I've been told that the THC will linger
>>in your innards for up to a month, but I've also heard only seven days.
>>Personally, I'd guess two hours, but I'd probably be wrong. So I guess
>>the question is, how long with it take before it won't show up? And also,
>>are there any wifes-tale remedies out there for hiding the evidence that
>>are reliable? Any advice would be appreciated.
>
>Go to your local health food store and tell them point blank what you need
>there are several products out there to "clean" you up...I beleive one is
>called "golden root" you might want to take vitamins when you do this it
>sometimes will "drain" you...........L.W.

Its called "goldenseal".  and it is poisonous in large doses, so don't
go nuts with it. i think it balances out your ph levels in your body
so that the thc doesn't show up.  a friend who was arrested on a dope
selling charge swears by it. he gets urine tested often and has not failed
one yet.

the marine also used it, and you know how strict those jar heads are.

of course, if you are worrying about getting tested, and failing, you
could always just not smoke dope.

jenna
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:16:02 EST
From:         MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Dizzy Gillespie - RIP (sob)

A South Indian drummer went away to New York to study with Elvin Jones.
After a year he came back to Madras, to the acclaim and admiration of
his musician friends. Still basking in the glow of their awe, he goes to do
his first gig. After the first set, the leader comes up to him and says
"Look, man, great to have you back & all, but this is a commercial gig;
could you just play the offbeats of 5, 7, & 13?"

  Probably doesn't work to well onscreen, that joke.. ah well. Jazz, like
all music, is not just about rhythm, it IS rhythm, the combination in time
of different experiences. Like Ives said, "My God! What has sound got to
do with *music*?"; if jazz does not continue to develop vital ways of
making time meaningful, it will do a lot worse than just "smell funny"..
MWM
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:27:54 CET
From:         Wastl <SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET>
Subject:      That lyric

I accidentally deleted the mail about the lyric (the one about about,
Come together, love on another, etc, etc.) but it resembles remarkably
the intro to Track 1, Side 2 of Nirvana's Nevermind.

Seb
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:04:22 -0500
From:         HLC2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      Weenie Wagging, etc.

>>Can anyone name ONE single POSITIVE accomplishment of this weenie-wagging
>>foolishness?
>>--Michael

Yeah, it's given me reason to regret not having a weenie to wag. (Guess I'll
have to look around for one worth putting in motion. ;-) [My HEROy?]


>>How about some obscure musician getting a mention, prompting the more
>>adventurous to track down ... recordings of said musician. ...
>>--Russ

And speaking of mentioning obscure musicians -- at least non-household-name
musicians -- has anybody else ever heard of Tino Gonzales? Does anyone else
think he's brilliant? I've seen him play several times in various places on
the East Coast, but have so far been unsuccessful in tracking down any of his
releases. Can anyone help? I also read once that he is "formerly of Santana."
True?

The guy is all that 'n a bag of chips, IMHO. And well worth the cover and
two-drink minimum if he's ever in your neighborhood.

Heather

P.S. Did I mention he's a blues guitarist? He's a blues guitarist.
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From: s0454850@let.rug.nl (J.P. Prenger)
Subject: Re: weird instruments
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:05:31 GMT

There's a Dutch folkband called Pigmeat who use an instrument they call the '
kuttepiel', which I can't translate because of net-etiquette. But it's a 
percussion instrument consisting of several metal things who make sounds. 
Aaargh.. I'm sorry, I just don't know how tho discribe this. It looks like a 
cross with two horizontal arms on which several bells & stuff-that-look-like-
bells. And one bandmember shakes that thing to the ground. Got it? 
By the way, 'kuttepiel' can be translated litteraly as 'cuntprick'.

JPP
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:45:41 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dixie Dregs

Yow! Boy, does this pose a dilemma! On one hand, I *hate* it when the TS
has a good musical guest on, because every time I've checked it out Leno's
made an ass of himself. OTOH, I *can't* miss this.

Steve's latest solo effort, Coast to Coast, has been out for a couple of
months. Has anybody checked it out? Actually, I don't care, because I had
completely forgotten about this and now that I remember I'ma gonna run down
to the closes CD store I can find and snag it!

And isn't there supposed to be a new Dregs studio album out soon, too?

Paul
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: Dizzy Gillespie - RIP (sob)
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:26:50 GMT

Woa, another great master passed.  1992 was a bad year for great musicians
passing,  and I was hoping 1993 would be better.

I remember when I first got into Diz when I was in high school.  I think he 
was the first one I got into on a serious level, I knew he was the core.
I knew he wasn't a superficial musician.  I am fortunate to have seen
him play 5 or 6 times, I think he probably heard me once because I was
playing in a band at one of the Montreux jazz festival bars, and he was
in the lobby signing his autobio,  but I never met him.

A friend of mine was once busking on Round Midnight in the Paris Metro
and Diz came by, he layed about 50 francs on him ($10) and invited him
to come and sit in down at the New Morning.  Diz was always a generous
cat, always helping musicians out.

A few years ago, I read an interview with Diz, and he was predicting that
a new form of jazz would be surfacing in five years.  "Those who get it
will get it, those who don't will be left behind" was all he was saying.
So one of the innovators is gone.  There should be someone replacing
him, but who is that going to be??????????????

Jeff
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:43:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      re: Adam's suggestions on the compilation tape

-
Adam gives us a bit of chrome-plated advice:

>1) Use 100 minute tapes instead of 90 minute tapes. Maxell and TDK both

Yeah, this is what we're going to do.

>2) Record your songs on the tape you mail to Gary. Then Gary (or whoever
>is doing the copying) can make a master tape which will be copied back onto
>your tape. Sound quality shouldn't suffer significantly. It'll also be cheaper
>to mail one tape, than a tape and a CD.

OK, first I'm *not* going to be copying the tapes. I'm only making the
master tape(s). Paul and Marco will be making copies. I asked for help
because I simply don't have the time to do all the dubbing. I realize that
this may make it a little more expensive for you all in the long run.

"n.n." also made this suggestion to me privately. Now that I've thought about
some more, I don't have a problem with it. You may do it this way if you like.
I will just send all the tapes I receive, along with the master tape(s) to
Paul. Paul doesn't see it as too much of a problem either. But, don't worry
about recording the stuff yet! JUST SEND ME YOUR SELECTIONS THAT YOU WANT
ON THE TAPE(s)!

Still, I'm hoping that Paul or myself have or can borrow what we need for
some of you.

I've gotten behind because my mail system crashed on Tuesday and again today
and also I have been very busy. I am changing the deadline you can send
me selections to 6:00 PM EST on TUESDAY JANUARY 12. Look for this, as well
as some other small changes in the announcement I will send following this.

Seeya,
Gary, the tape dude                            gmgettie@thama1.apgea.army.mil
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:26:47 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: No Cameras Allowed

Ken mumbles in legalese....

>This sounds quasi-legal at best:  a public figure has no right not to be
>photographed in public, as far as I know, and even a private figure has no
>defense if the photos aren't sold.  You could make a case for banning flash
>units on the grounds of safety.  As for ripping out the film:  that's
>destruction of private property for no legally valid reason.  Even if you
>allow confiscation of the camera during the show, there can't possibly be any
>way to legally keep it:  you aren't trespassing, you obviously aren't being
>reimbursed for it, it isn't a threat to public safety/morals, nor a disturbance
>of the peace, etc.  So back to you it better go, in the same condition in
>which you turned it over.  Marsha, why not take this up with one of your
>profs at the appropriate time?  It bothers me greatly a) that concert manage-
>ment/entertainers would attempt to restrict a basic right under flimsy
>pretexts that they couldn't possibly do outside their doors; b) that everyone
>else would meekly accept this state of affairs.

As far as this not-even-close-to-being-a-lawyer can tell, it comes down to
two different rights: the performer's and the photographer's. Any
individual has the right to privacy, but a public figure has arguably given
up theirs. However, there is no Constitutionally or stautorily granted
right to photograph - I don't mean to photograph someone or something, but
to photograph at all! You would have a lot of trouble using the first
amendment for this, because those rights are contingent upon the fact that
no one else is harmed (ie slander and libel are restrictions on the rights
to free speech and press). Len is a bit misguided - you can't copyright a
person (although you may be able to patent one) - but in a way he's right.
We do have control over our bodies and our output, to a certain extent. The
reason TV stations can run clippings of press conferences and such is that
they are licensed by the FCC and pay money for the privilege of being a
recognized source of such things. The only reason you can videotape it, is
that there are too many VCR's and too much commercial demand for them to
control normal, non-commercial use of those type of things. However, when
you pay money for a ticket, you do so within the understanding of the rules
printed on that ticket. This is not in the privacy of your own home. You,
supposedly, bought the ticket understanding to rules. And even if you
didn't know, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Obviously, it's much more complicated than that, but these are my basic
impressions of the issue. I'll check with a professor tommorrow.

Marsha, esq.

Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:58:56 EST
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: dirty tape deck

>   I've got a tape deck that keeps eating tapes.  It could definitely
>use a good cleaning (really it could be just thrown away, but I
>don't have the $$ to replace it).  So, what's the best way to clean
>the damn thing up?  I've already cleaned the heads with alcohol...
>Russ

  You need to clean the capstan and pinch roller.  that's the part
that eats tapes.  you can use alcohol, depending upon what you
consider the lifetime and value of the deck - after a while,
alcohol begins to attack the rubber.  Better are the hydrocarbon
cleaners that you can get at any stereo shop.  But, I cleaned my
old deck with alcohol, and the roller lasted longer than the
motor, so it really isn't a big deal unless you plan for this
tape deck to last forever.  (I wouldn't use alcohol on a Nak, or
any fancy 3-head machine that you need to get *lots* of years of
service out of.)  Certainly 5 years of cleaning the rubber with
alcohol didn't bother it.

                            -Tim
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:35:44 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      No Cameras Allowed

Question: I'm going to see Emmy Lou and i'll be on the 3rd row, so i was
gonna take a camera. The back of the ticket says No Camera...etc, i wonder
what will happen if i sneak it in and at least get one picture, will they
take my camera (if so can i borrow yours) or just say no-no. Has anyone
done this.............L.W.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:34:43 EST
From:         SWASEY@PORTLAND.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Another "Who recorded this song" question

That song is "All you Zombies", by the Hooters.


janet
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:39:27 EST
From:         Adam Levin <Adam.Levin@LAMBADA.OIT.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: One-Hit Wonders
              "mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU" at Jan 8, 93 09:34:08 am

Marsha dares to say:
> How many "one-hit wonders" do you remember. Now, I know you guys don't
> listen to much top-40, but this can be anything. A jazz artist with one
> decent song, a metal group who made a grea album and then was nevcer heard
> from again....Her are some Top-40 examples from my childhood....
>
[...]
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
Here goes the disk quota........

-Adam
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: tous les matins du monde
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:22:08 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%93010608064095@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> Early Music List <EARLYM-L@AEARN.BITNET> writes:
>> Ok, the holiday film treat for me was Tous Les Matins Du Monde...
>
>Must have been a very boring holiday season for you.  This film
>finally made it to Chicago, and I rushed to see it.  What a dis-
>appointment.  And a as a gambist, I was simply embarrassed.

Well, I could have seen Lethel Weapon 3 on Pay-per-view.

>> Back to the music: not only are there stunning viole performances
>> of the music of Sainte Columbe and Marais by Jordi Savall...
>
>True, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist, nor even a
>gamba player, to see that what Savall plays is not what the actors
>are mimicking.  It's not even close.  Well, Depardieu fils probably
>had a few cello lessons.  Otherwise it was pretty dismal acting--
>amateur "air guitar" players are more convincing musicians.

Well, Harpo Marx is dead.  Seriously, what do you want?  You aren't
going to get realistic "playing" from people that can't play.  Name a
movie where you have.  It certainly was better the "playing" than Bird.
You make it like we owe Milli Vanilli an apology.

Jeff
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:36:22 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Free country?? I'd beg to differ...

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:29:15 PST Mike said:
>all this talk about powerdrills and chainsaws,
>
>what instrument is the STRANGEST instrument you have ever heard
>in a song, and which song was it featured in?

The bus in "Nothing but Time" on Jackson Browne's ROE album, I guess 60
cycles is close to B flat and buses are closer to E (i guess it depends on
the bus).................L.W.

NMC: If workers are radomly drug tested, should welfare recipients be tested?

IMHO neither should be tested
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:51:15 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Catching Up From the Holidays
              4 Jan 1993 15:25:23 EST from <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>

On Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:25:23 EST Scott Hammer said:
>As others have already noted, King played left-handed on a right-handed
>guitar.  He was thus pulling string-bends that we righties push, which gave
>him an advantage, and was responsible for his distinctive style.

I know that had something to do with it, but his use of notes and playing the
right one at the right time, the feeling he put in it and the notes he didn't
play. I think most new players should listen to how he got his message accros
without playing 164 notes per few seconds..Know what i mean .....L.W.
>
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:03:59 -0500
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: tous les matins du monde

>Middle of the Road is a step forward from where we've been.

Ah oui, but it's still Middle of the Road.

Russ
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:38:30 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Free country?? I'd beg to differ...

On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:29:15 PST Mike said:
>
>what instrument is the STRANGEST instrument you have ever heard
>in a song, and which song was it featured in?
>
>what is the most bizarre instrument you have ever heard play music?

Well, not quite what you're asking, but: it's unbelievable to me the range
of saxophones that are out there. I saw Wes Anderson here playing a C-melody
(I think that's what it's called) sax - it was so small he could barely get
enough fingers on it to play it, certainly under 12". I've seen an ad in
Downbeat for a group called the Nuclear Whales Saxophone Orchestra, which
features a contrabass sax that is nearly 7'!!! This thing is HUGE! I think the
size quoted in the ad is not even the total length - it looked like it might
be 10' if you stretched it out. Probably requires a remote control to play :-)

Paul
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:20:06 -0500
From:         HLC2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      Tough crowd

Forgive my naivete for thinking the one-hit-wonder/rain thread was legit.
Geez, I wasn't around last year. Can't you cut the new kid a little slack?

Heather
[a little too virus-riddened to put up with unwarranted flaming today]
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