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From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Re; Persian Words From ShAh-NAmeh [sci-anon-poster]
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:52:03 GMT

In article <lkrbgsINNiih@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> >>>>>> Anonymous writes:
>
>BehzAd khAn:

jaane behzad khan,

>	Non-sense is a relative term, but it is good that you said
>	that *YOU* find it boring. Both you and Zamie are wrong in
>	calling some subject better than another. It is time for us 
>	to learn to respect (not necessarily agree with) other  people's 
>	ideas.

first of all, what is wrong with saying that one subject is better than
the other? secondly, what does this have to do with not respecting
each other's opinion?

> 
>>you have every right to post about any subject you like, and i have
>>every right to disagree with your posting.
>
>	No sir! You do have the right to criticize, but you have 
>	no right to disagree with posting a particular trend of
>	articles unless everyone in the net finds them offensive.

shahram, it looks like you have misundrestood my point, i wasn't
implying that i have a right to disagree with posting of a certain
subject, i was just saying that i have the right to disagree with
the article. please re-read the above.

>	So you know that it is based on mythical characters; therefore,
>	you know that it is a legend, not a lie. Do you know the difference
>	between the two?

you see, a myth is a traditional story containing ideas or beliefs
about the ancient times and it can have some historical evidence,
which has been argued by our historians, and it was those historical
aspects of shahnameh that i was reffering to, when i mentioned lies
and deceptions.

>	Could you be nice enough to tell us about those books that made
>	monsters out of Khomeyni, Saddam Hossein and Stalin?

i did not say all monsters were created by books, do you see the
difference?

>	People don't need to be taught about Akhoonds. Almost everyone
>	knows about them. What we should do is to keep one another informed
>	of their new crimes, tricks etc.

you see shahram, that's were you're wrong; if people knew about
"akhoonds" and mullahs, we wouldn't be in our current situation.

>Long live our Persian homeland

right! and our pure aryan race.

get real!

>ShahrAm

behzad

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
From: mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar)
Subject: Re: Question about rape
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:54:35 GMT

In article <ll0vppINNq63@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:

>80 times, 100 times... who cares!  heres a more important question (for
>all): do you really think these methods of punishment that the
>fundamentalist interpretation of islam prescribes (cuting of hands,
>whiping, stoning, etc) are really effective?

  These are not methods of punishment prescribed by the "fundamentalist
interpretation of Islam," these are the punishments layed out in the
Qur'an and there is no disagreement about their interpretation.

  The track record of countries which implement these punishments prove that
these punishments are _exceptionally_ effective. For example, despite the
fact that Saudi Arabia is corrupt in many ways, and despite the fact that
it uses Islam rather than applies it, it still has one of the lowest crime
rates anywhere on earth. People can walk day or night without fear of
mugging or of murder. The reason is simply that since it applies the punishment
which the Most Wise mandated, it succeeded in deterring people from committing
crimes.

  So yes, the punishments which Islam mandated are effective.


Mazen Mokhtar
From: assana@polkadot.Eng.Sun.COM (assana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: persian name list and definitions
Followup-To: assana@polkadot.eng.sun.com
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:19:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: polkadot

Talking of names, I thought I'd post my names meanings and origins
since a lot of people ask me. As a matter of fact, I have a small write-up
that I send to everyone. So here it goes:

"AssAnA" is the name of a fire temple (Atashkadeh) about 42 kilometers 
north-east of persopolice (takht-e jamshid). This fire temple was considered 
sacred since the fire in it lived for 300 years without anyone feeding it!(*)
Also, Koorosh named his youngest daughter(**) after this ataashkadeh, when his
mother(***), mAndAnA, got cured from some kind of desease there.
Today, this temple is nothing but ruins.

(*)   AssAnA was situated right in the middle of iran's natural gas chambers (!!)
      which explains a lot about it's behavior!! :)
(**)  His other two daughters' names are more polpular: AtoosA and RoxAnA.
(***) I've heard that mAndAnA was koorosh's wife, not mother; does anyone know?
-- 
         ^-^
        /o o\
       ===^===   assana@polkadot.eng.sun.com
          -   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Most Arab countries won't sign chemical weapons treaty 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:41:42 GMT


	CAIRO, Egypt (UPI) -- The majority of Arab countries will not sign a
chemical weapons treaty scheduled to be ratified this week in Paris
unless Israel signs a nuclear arms agreement, the Arab League announced
Tuesday.
	``We call on Israel to sign the NPT (Nuclear Non-Proliferation
Treaty) because if we care about peace then there must be a balance and
there should be no exceptions in favor of one country,'' League
Secretary-General Abdel Meguid said.
	Israel is the only Middle East country believed to posses nuclear
arms.
	Egyptian Foreign Minister Amr Moussa, whose government last week
moved for an Arab boycott of the chemical arms treaty, said, ``Israel
must sign the NPT because disarmament protects peace.''
	``It is illogical for one country to be left out of the international
law that oversees nuclear disarmament,'' Moussa said.
	The 21 Arab League member countries discussed the chemical weapons
treaty, scheduled to be ratified Wednesday at the session of foreign
ministers that ended Tuesday, and the majority agreed not to sign,
Meguid said.
	The final draft of the treaty, approved at a U.N. Disarmament
Conference meeting in August to after 24 years of discussion, bans the
use and manufacture of chemical weapons worldwide.
	Sixty-five countries were due to sign the treaty, which will phase
out the use and manufacture of chemical weapons over 10 years.
	Although Iraq was the only Middle East country condemned for its use
of banned chemical weapons, other countires in the region, such as Iran,
Syria, Israel, Egypt and Libya, are known to have weapons of mass
destruction.


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From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: A few pure Persian words from Shah-Nama
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:13:50 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1993Jan5.235755.7490@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM>, zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz) writes:
> 
> Ba Drood:
> 
> Here is a few pure Farsi word from Shah-Nama Ferdawsi.  We might to
> continue this session if our friends will be kind enough to paticipate.
> 
> Ravan = soul                    Ex: Ravan Eshan Pak Bashad.

interesting you mentioned ravan. it means soul in sanskrit. i don't know if
that is a borrowing from sanskrit originally or if it is the same word coming
from the same root language.
> 
> 
> Khoda Neghah Dar
> 

same to you
> 
> Zamie

zafar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: The Persain calender year
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 19:22:43 GMT



>The first year of the calendar coincides with Prophet Muhammad's trip
>from Mecca to Medinah. You could look at this calendar as another
>example of the compromise the Iranians have generally made between
>Islamic and non-Islamic socio-political and cultural heritage.

Knowing:

    a) The first year of Persian calendar coincides with hejrat
    b) The first day of Persian calendar coincides with 1st day of
       spring.

Then:

It is very unlikely that hejrat took place exactly on new year's day
(norooz) of year 1. For example, let's assume hejrat took place on
some random day like 18 Mordad. What I am wondering is that when the
reference points were set for our calendar, which year was hejrat
assumed to be? Did hejrat take place on 18 Mordad of year one? Or was
it year zero? Or some other year? Or is this a stupid question?

    --mack
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Date: 11 Jan 93 17:42:38 GMT
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From: kamrani@ifi.uio.no (KamranReza writes:
Subject: Re:    I don't know anymore
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:22:12 GMT
Originator: kamrani@bakken.ifi.uio.no


> I used to think we are the god chosen people, but I found out that we are
not.

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From: massoum1@acsu.buffalo.edu (Parinaz Massoumzadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Just to say Hi.
Date: 10 Jan 93 02:33:03 GMT
Organization: UB


This is a test. Just wanted to see if it works.


					Parinaz.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Lotfan! 4.0 Iranian College Student Told to Leave School!!! [sci-poster]
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:49:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <ll36h8INNt28@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> lizann@netcom.com (Liz Martin) writes:

...

liz, im not 100% sure about this, but i believe sip (the society of
iranian professionals) was putting together a program to provide
financial assistant to iranian students.  perhpas someone from sip
can verify/elaborate.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: Babak Sehari
Subject: SYRIAN VICE-PRESIDENT ENDS IRAN VISIT 
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:41:32 GMT

----


 SYRIAN VICE-PRESIDENT ENDS IRAN VISIT 
    (Eds: adds details, background) 
    NICOSIA, Jan 5, Reuter - Syrian Vice-President Abdel-Halim Khaddam said at
the end of a three-day visit to Iran on Tuesday Tehran wanted to resolve
peacefully a territorial dispute with the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Tehran
Radio said. 
    ``Syria is mediating between Iran and the UAE. The impression is that Iran
seriously wants the existing problems to be resolved through political
negotiation,'' it quoted Khaddam as saying. 
    The radio said Khaddam described his talks with Iranian leaders as ``very
fruitful.'' But it did not say if the talks had produced any concrete result in
defusing tensions in Iran's relations with Gulf Arab states and Egypt. 
    Iran last year tightened its control over Abu Musa island, which it has
shared with UAE member Sharjah since 1971. 
    Gulf Arab states then charged Iran with annexation and demanded Tehran
leave Abu Musa and two nearby islands. 
    Iran has said it will never give up the islands, and that the Arab demands
are inspired by ``enemies of Islam.'' 
    The radio quoted Iranian Vice-President Hassan Habibi as saying Iran sought
good relations with its neighbours but considered Gulf Arab leaders' positions
in the dispute at odds with their calls for closer ties. 
 REUTER MZ BSB
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: where is everybody?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:34:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

is something wrong with our news host?  is everyone still
on vacation?  sci is unusually whistle and blind these days... 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Iran Urges Stronger Trade Ties With Azerbaijan
Followup-To: poster
Originator: sehari@bart.ecss.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:53:35 GMT

12/29 (DJ) Iran Urges Stronger Trade Ties With Azerbaijan

    NICOSIA -AP- Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani met in Tehran
today with Azerbaijan's vice president, Panah Husseinov, and stressed
the need to expand ties between the neighboring countries, Tehran radio
reported.
    The broadcast quoted Rafsanjani as saying that countries in the
region, especially the republics of the former Soviet Union, should
exchange skills and resources in order to overcome existing problems.
    He said Iran was not competing for influence in the republics with
any other country, and that it welcomed cooperation among all countries
in the region.
    Iran and Turkey have been jockeying for supremacy in Azerbaijan and
the Central Asian republics, which are cash-strapped but resource-rich.
    Husseinov, who arrived in Tehran yesterday with a 50-man delegation,
told Rafsanjani that Iran was Azerbaijan's top trading partner, the
radio said.
    Rafsanjani condemned the 4-year-old war between Azerbaijan and
Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh, an Armenian-populated enclave inside
predominantly Muslim Azerbaijan.
    He said both countries were dumping resources that should be used
for reconstruction and progress into a pointless war.
    The radio said in a separate report that Iran and Kazakhstan, the
largest of the Central Asian republics, are planning to establish a
joint shipping company.
    Kazakh products would be shipped across the Caspian Sea to Iran,
then transported by land to the Gulf and loaded on Iranian ships for
export, the radio said.
     8:56 AM
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: nasser@nasser.net.com (Nasser Modiri)
Subject: Wanted: Computer News Middle East
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:47:34 GMT

Does anyone know either the address or the phone number of the 
Computer News Middle East magazine. This is a
London based magazine.
I am very much interested to receive the January, 1993 issue of this
mag.

with much thanks
nasser


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: The Persain calender year
Organization: Secreterial Error
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:20:48 GMT

In article <1820@rwja.umdnj.edu> majidi@rwja.umdnj.edu (Masoud Majidi) writes:
>mehdizadeh@asl.slb.com writes:
>
>>I was wondering if any one out their knows what the Persian Calender is
>>based upon?  In other words what happened 1372 years ago?
>
>.  .  . Also 'shams' means sun and it refers to how we measure the length
>of the year (i.e. the length of our year is the time it takes the earth to 
>orbit the sun, ~355.4 days)
                 ^^^^^
Could you by any chance mean lunar year ('hejri ghamari') instead?  If my
'akAber' class notes don't fail me, 'shamsi' year was 365 days and few
fraction (~6 hours).

>Regards,
>Masoud Majidi                           Internet: majidi@umdnj.edu

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
From: fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: S.C.I Readership Data for Nov.AND Dec. 1992
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:16:16 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: cascade.cs.ubc.ca

The following data was extracted from the full set of USENET readership 
report for the months of November AND December 1992 posted to news.lists 
by Mr. Brian Reid. Please see the companion post in that newsgroup for 
explanations of how the various figures were estimated.

  +-- Month and Rank / 1790
  |     +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
  |     |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
  |     |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
  |     |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
  |     |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
  |     |     |     |      |      |      +-- Crossposting percentage
  |     |     |     |      |      |      |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/rdr
  |     |     |     |      |      |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrders
  |     |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |   who read this group.
  V     V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V
 NOV
 481  21000   623   69%   916  2512.8    11%  0.16   1.3%  soc.culture.iranian 
 DEC
 375  27000   753   71%   376  1120.1    11%  0.05   1.6%  soc.culture.iranian 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: A few pure Persian words from Shah-Nama
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:10:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.175756.22086@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz) writes:
>
>Aghayeh Bahzad Khan:

dooste geraamee,

>I don't know what to say about what you said!  If you may want to
>protest about this issue, I will suggest first attack people who keep
>attacking each other for nothing, insulting each other and keep bringing
>non-sense political issues.

i find the discussions on "non-sense political issues" much more
productive than what you are doing with these so called "pure
persian" words.

>I personally think this is a cultural news line.  Talking about our
>language and learning words from Shah-nama is practically cultural (period!).

you have every right to post about any subject you like, and i have
every right to disagree with your posting.

>However, my intension from this subject was to talk a little about
>Shah-Nama Ferdawsi.  I hope you can relate to this and perhaps really
>know what is a "national pride" (which I am sure you do) that is missing
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
national pride to you, but a bunch of deceptions and lies to me.
for me it is a sad day to think of shah-naameh as a national pride.
it is basically based on a bunch of mythical characters and it was
the result of books like shaahnaameh that created a monster out
of the shahs of the time or amr be eeshaan moshtabah shod.

>in many of us here far away from our soil.  Remember "educating our
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>people is the best way to serve our people", and personally I believe
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>that all of our disasters today or in the past was due this fact.

zamieye azeez, if you want to educate our people teach them about
aakhoond nameh, something very real, which people can relate to,
not some fictional characters who were created to boost some
shaahanshaahs' ego.

>
>With all the respect and sincerity

same here,

>
>Zamie

behzad

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