HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Our Boy and Abortion...
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:47:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.211521.21647@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> shamim@cs.arizona.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.202536.13312@netcom.com>, madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>}The San Jose Mercury News and the San Francisco Examiner independently
>}reported that the Oregon Republican Party is on the verge of a nasty
>}internal schism.  The issue is not abortion, but homosexuality.
>
>This is something I was wondering about. The Pope just released a new catechism
>that says, among other things, that since "for most people, homosexuality is
>not a choice," they should be tolerated (but they still have to be celibate).
>Now the Danster has repeatedly said that he believes homosexuality is a
>personal choice (although in words much more convoluted than those); has anyone
>detected a softening in his position? (Ok, in the Danette's position.)
>
>Next thing you know Dan and his pals will denounce contraception.
>
I doubt it, Danny boy is the darling son of the fundie-right, he'll go
down fighting for the fundies, he's too stupid to work for anyone
else, more moderate big republicans.


>}The current head is ready to encourage moderates to form another
>}Party, because he senses he's going to lose to the Radical Right.
>
>Perhaps the best thing for the Republicon party at this juncture would be to
>split from the Frothing Fundies. What can we do to ensure that such a split
>does not occur?
>
>-s
>-- 
>  Shamim Mohamed / {uunet,noao,cmcl2..}!arizona!shamim / shamim@cs.arizona.edu
>  "Take this cross and garlic; here's a Mezuzah if he's Jewish; a page of the
>    Koran if he's a Muslim; and if he's a Zen Buddhist, you're on your own."

or if he's a Daoist, a long sword, and plenty of magic scrolls up his sleeves,
somehow I gotta a feeling the Daoist have the best chance of not reaching
his heavei in incidents like this.  :-)  

>   Member of the League for Programming Freedom - write to lpf@uunet.uu.net


Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: bigdave@texas.tdd.sj.nec.com (David Sweeney  x2987)
Subject: Re: Have some respect
Organization: NEC-AM TDD, San Jose, California
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:24:56 GMT

v115r4q5@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Perry M Jowsey) writes:
>
>  ....  Perhaps it will take a few months of a Clinton administration 
>for some people to realize it, but Vice President Quayle has been the best 
>political mind in the White House for 4 years, and considering the recently 
>elected crop, there won't be a man to top his stature for years to come.  

Heh.  And Moe had the best political mind in the Stooges.

-- 
Dave Sweeney     bigdave@tdd.sj.nec.com
(c) 1992 Witless One-Line Followups Ltd.
From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Neither rain, nor snow, nor grammatical error
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 10:14:06 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


train@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Herbert Rutledge) writes:

>   Where do the Quayles go at the end of January when the lease expires on 
>   their digs on Observatory Circle in Washington, D.C.?   Back to their
>   home in McLean, Virginia, where the mailbox says - but of course! -
>   "The Quayle's."

Is that the one they were renting to an unmarried couple? 

Family values, but not if it's an inconvenience!

-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
From: doug@ramona.com (I, Monster)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Prophetic Quayle Quote?!
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:09:35 GMT
Organization: Ramona Engineering

I came across this in an old Newsweek from the '88 election:

"Votes are like trees, if you are trying to build a forest. If you have
more trees than you have forests, then at that point the pollsters will
probably say you will win." -- DQ

Does anyone know what the poor fool was talking about?
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: MOVE THE PRREGISTER
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:45:11 EST

PLEASE MOVE THE POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS OUT OF A.F.D-Q! If it doesn't
explicitly pertain to Dan Quayl, please move the thread into a
more appropriate newsgroup such as alt.politics.election, talk.politics.misc,
alt.flame, or whatever. This is a newsgroup of and for discussions of
Our Hero, and not some drivel from Limbots on politics. Thanks!

-Garrett




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From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Remember ...
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 13:11:25 CST
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:

> In article <kZ09TB2w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@mintir.new-orleans
> >sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
> >
> >> >
> >> Well, I've heard that VP-elect Gore has written in his book on the environ
> >> that cars are a bigger threat to the earth than nuclear weapons.  And he's
> >> our new VP??  Are you ready for 4 years of Gore jokes?
> >>
> >> :-)
> >> Simon
> >
> >Actually, cars *are* a bigger threat than nukes.  Look at the amount of CO a
> >other pollutants that cars spew forth in cities like Los Angeles, New York,
> >and Mexico City.  It's a safe bet that more people have died as a result of
> >cars (between lung cancer and auto accidents) that have been killed by nukes
> >
> I recently saw a NOVA program about photography from space, and the polution
> you mention is clearly visible from 150-200 miles up (IMAX movies taken aboar
> shuttle flights), so I'm not disputing that.  But people won't accept any
> alternatives to existing technology unless it can be demostrated to be clearl
> better (and more cost effective to operate) than the vehicles being replaced.
> Simon

That may be true, but the important point for this discussion is that, by
making the statement that cars are dangerous, Gore is hardly the extremist that
the Limbots make him out to be.



|Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us|
|Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087|
From: odekirk@math.utah.edu (Elizabeth Odekirk)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Have some respect
Date: 14 Nov 92 00:14:56 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Utah


v115r4q5@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Perry M Jowsey) posts

> Did 
>anyone watch the debate and actually believe that Al Gore won? Be real!

After the debate, NPR had the results from several groups who referee
college debates.  They all gave Al Gore more points than Dan Quayle.
Gore was clear and precise and got the facts across without resorting to
name-calling and finger-wagging.  While being the loudest and most
snide may make you the winner in an argument on the playground, it
does not win you a debate.

Elizabeth
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Dan Quayle is a hero
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:51:52 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:16:12 GMT
>FROM:   Slartibartfast <cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
>
>In article <BxxA44.49p@acsu.buffalo.edu> v064mb7h@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Greg J Till) writes:
[...ending with:]

>>we need some conservatism guiding this country.

>
>does.  Bush (for better or for worse) is smart, and the still made that stupid
>quote about Pearl Harbor Day being Sept 7.  Well, Danny boy has made quotes

November 7.  C'mon, you're letting the side down!  8^)

-- 
jim tims 
"And if you're a miner, when you're too tired and old and sick and stupid
to do your job properly, you have to go, whereas just the opposite applies
with the judges."  Beyond the Fringe
From: saxe@chopin.cs.unc.edu (Eddie Saxe)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Those Dang Liberal Media Elites (was: Re: Have some respect)
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:58:31 GMT
Followup-To: misc.test,alt.fan.warlord
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Nov16.150225.29558@uts.cc.wayne.edu> tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson) writes:
>odekirk@math.utah.edu (Elizabeth Odekirk) writes:
>>After the debate, NPR had the results from several groups who referee
>>college debates.  They all gave Al Gore more points than Dan Quayle.
>>Gore was clear and precise and got the facts across without resorting to
>>name-calling and finger-wagging.  While being the loudest and most
>>snide may make you the winner in an argument on the playground, it
>>does not win you a debate.
>
>NPR is a liberal news show.

BZZZZTTT!!!  Sorry, try again.  Just because NPR doesn't parrot the
conservative theme song of the week is no reason to call them liberals.

>                            It would not be at all difficult for them to 
>find liberal college debate referees that would side with a liberal
>viewpoint.

Except that they *didn't*.  Read (tm) what Elizabeth wrote.  They selected
*groups* of referees around the country, not just selected referees.

>            I am not suggesting that V.P. Dan Quayle won. What I am suggesting
>is that who a person feels the winner is is largely based on which viewpoint
>the person is coming from.

For the general public, yes.  However, had you read (tm) what Elizabeth
wrote, you would have seen that these referees judge debates at the college
level, where there are specific scoring guidelines to determine who made
more factual arguements which were not refuted by the opposing side.

>                            Liberals will agree with what Gov. Al Gore said, 
>while conservatives will agree with what V.P. Dan Quayle said. After all, who
>won is only an opinion, and thus can be different for each person.

Which is why NPR asked *groups* of people who have practice judging debates
impartially for their scoring of the debate.

>-- 
>     ____  __   __       Tom@UTS.CC.Wayne.Edu
>      /   /_/  /_        Thomas_Richard_Stevenson@MTS.CC.Wayne.Edu
>     /.  /\ . __/.       Tom@CMS.CC.Wayne.Edu
>                         UserTom@WayneMTS.Bitnet

Wow, a self-warlording signature.  AWZOME BUAF D00D!

Eddie "B1FF" Saxe
-- 
saxe@cs.unc.edu          Posted from the Chapel Hill Zoo (fence not included).
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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Bush wins doublespeak award
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:24:31 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <D2150056.j7s2ki@erics.infoserv.com> erics@infoserv.com writes:
'George Bush won this year's Doublespeak Award, given annually by the
'National Council of Teachers of English for "public figures who have
'perpetrated language that is grossly deceptive, evasive or euphemistic".
'William Lutz, chairman of the council's Doublespeak Committee, cited
'three examples:
'
'- Bush expressed hope, following the Persian Gulf War, for an end to
'arms proliferation in the Middle East, but then reversed a 25-year policy
'and began spending millions of tax dollars on international weapons
'shows.
'
'- During Bush's acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention
'at Houston, he pledged that "every parent and child should have a real
'choice of schools, public, private, or religious", but Bush's proposed
'$1,000 voucher plan would not be enough to cover tuition for poor children
'and would redistribute tax dollars from public schools that serve the
'poor to private schools with middle- and upper-class pupils.
'
'- Bush repeatedly charged that Bill Clinton had raised taxes 128 times
'as governor of Arkansas. But even though the charge was disputed by
'the New York Times as full of errors and distortions, the Bush campaign
'continued to use the statistic.
'
'And what of Quayle? Well, the third-place Doublespeak Award went to
'all politicians who exploited the term "family values" this year.

Well, who won second place?
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck	eyc@acpub.duke.edu	Biomedical Engineering 1993
	Hope you have a very good "Native American Exploitation" Day.
I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm 
good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:22:13 EST
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Actual Dan Quayle Interview
Distribution: world
 <92317.211208KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> <1e1ap8INN4f9@fido.asd.sgi.com>

In article <1e1ap8INN4f9@fido.asd.sgi.com>, coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com (Don
Coolidge) says:

>The ranks of the officially poor mushroomed. Their relative wealth
>decreased greatly.

>*That* is what's shown by census data. And OMB data. And GAO data.

Can you document this?  I'd like to see it.

Anyway, reposted without permission (though I doubt the original poster
would mind)...

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
There has been much discussion these days about whether the rich got richer and
the poor got poorer during the Reagan years.  I have found some statistics that
refute this:

From National Review:  (Stats are from CBO!)
"In October the most liberal of New York Times economic writers, Sylvia Nasar,
retreated from her earlier line about Reagan-Bush tax unfairness.  Drawing on
new CBO research, Mrs. Nasar reported that while the overall federal tax burden
remained about the same, the income-tax changes legislated during the Eighties
benefitted _all_ families.

Here are the details:
PERSONAL INCOME TAX RATES BY INCOME GROUP (Tax as a percentage of Income)

Quintile      Top income of bracket       1980    1992     Percent Reduction

Poorest 20%            $20,300            -0.5    -3.2            540
Second 20%             $36,800             4.5     2.8            38.7
Third 20%              $54,500             7.9     6.2            21.5
Fourth 20%             $82,400            11.0     8.7            20.1
Richest 20%               -               17.2    15.5             9.9
Richest 1%            $324,100+           23.9    22.0             7.9



Here is some more info from the Census Bureau:

1978 - The year Carter's first budget played out
1981 - Carter's last budget
1982 - Reagan's first budget
1989 - Reagan's last budget

                          1978         1981          1982            1989
# people in poverty       24.5M       31.8M          34.4M           31.5M
*Poverty went up under Carter, Down under Reagan

Real comp. per employee  $21,236     $19,806        $19,860         $21,161
Measured in constant 1990 dollars
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Enjoy!

------------
Kurt Ludwick
------------
From: mycroft@dorsai.com (Keith Kushner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: The real Dan Quayle
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:23:15 GMT
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy +1.718.729.5018
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith) writes:
: 
: Add one little bit on the end...  Think of 'potatoe,' how's it spelled?  
: You're right phonetically, but what else...?  There ya go... all right!
:                 -- Vice President Dan Quayle correcting a student's
:                    correct spelling of the word "potato"  during
:                    a spelling bee at an elementary school in Trenton.
: 
: I should have caught the mistake on that spelling bee card.  But 
: as Mark Twain once said, "You should never trust a man who has only 
: one way to spell a word."
:                 -- Vice President Dan Quayle, actually quoting from 
:                    President Andrew Jackson.
: 
: I should have remembered that was Andrew Jackson who said that, since
: he got his nickname "Stonewall" by vetoing bills passed by Congress.
: 		-- Vice President Dan Quayle, confusing Andrew Jackson
: 		   with Confederate General Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson,
: 		   who actually got his nickname at the first Battle of
: 		   Bull Run.
: 
Has anyone ever found the original source for that line?  "I have nothing
but contempt for anyone who can spell a word only one way," is attributed
to Thomas Jefferson in some sources.

: ... Nope, he's still a brainless twit.
: 
Oh, come now... mindless, maybe, but not brainless.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad R. Berthelson)
Subject: Re: The real Dan Quayle
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:34:14 GMT

erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith) writes:
{ conservative..Quayle deleted}

>As for the conservative philosophy that's about to "surface" (as if
>it's somehow been underground for the last 12 years), surveys taken
>since the election have shown that the word "conservative" now creates
>a negative image in people's minds. It's likely that the term is going
>through the same transformation that happened to the perception of "liberal"
>in the '70s. In the '60s, being labelled a conservative was just about
>the kiss of death for a political candidate. At the 1964 Republic Convention
>Barry Goldwater had to plead "conservatism in the defense of liberty
>is no vice", but he went on to a crushing defeat in the election. We
>are once again at the start of a period when voters want a more active
>government, similar to the mood of the '60s, and conservatism is likely
>to be identified with tired old trickle-down economics and government
>gridlock.

Oh yea, let's do go back to the '60's, they where such wonderful time.
Dope was cheap, sex was safe, and vietnam wouldn't bother you if you 
knew the right loopholes...

let's see what we accomplished in the '60 's government....

"...in the 1960's...Seldom had society been so fraught with conflict;
seldom had middle-class Americans found themselves under such
unrelenting assault."  (from textbook..A survey of American History,
vol.II: since 1865 by Current, Williams, Freidel, Brinkley

Chad

--

Chad R. Berthelson		Graduate Research/Teaching Assistant
crb2@ra.msstate.edu		Biological Engineering
cberth@abe.msstate.edu		Mississippi State University
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad R. Berthelson)
Subject: Re: The real Dan Quayle
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:45:53 GMT

dejst5+@pitt.edu (David   E Joslin) writes:

>htuttle@nyx.cs.du.edu (Harry Tuttle) writes:
>>However, we probably agree on one point.  I, too, hope that Dan Quayl
>>is back in 1996.  That would be a dreame come tru.  

>Should we hope that Dan Quayle runs for president in 1996 because 
>we could laugh at him a lot?  Or should we hope that he doesn't run,
>because there might be a slim chance that he would win?

>If the Republicans continue in 1996 with the agenda so nicely 
>expounded by Pat Puke-cannon, should we hope that they nominate Dan
>Quayle for president, so that they have the greatest possible
>chance of losing?  Or should we hope that they nominate someone
>competent, just in case they do win?

I don't think you should hope for the incompetent (being safe..they
have to lose), we republicans did that this year.  We thought surely
that a draft-dodging adultering waffle king with a bad record on 
raising taxes on the people of a small state that happens to rank
about last in all positive measures would be a sure thing for us.
I actually worried that Paul Songass (sp?) would get nominated and
give us a run for the money.  Don't underestimate the gullability
and naivity of the voter.

Chad

>ObQuayleRumor:  The Indiana paper run by Quayle's family is beginning
>to increase its inventory of the letter 'e' just in case Quayle returns.

>David
>Anagram: Presiddent Dan Quuaaiyl ==> End USA Quality and Pride.

--

Chad R. Berthelson		Graduate Research/Teaching Assistant
crb2@ra.msstate.edu		Biological Engineering
cberth@abe.msstate.edu		Mississippi State University
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu (Catherine Stanton)
Subject: Re: How related......
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:28:09 GMT

In article <01GRAQXA2IAA8ZECHS@UMAECS> VIGNESWA@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>	What is the relationship between Dan Quayle and Barry Goldwater?
>CNN or ABC reported on it just before the election.  Well, I don't remem-
>ber that now.....
>Thanks.
>V:

Incestual perhaps?
Nah, sorry just feeling up to a little sick humor tonight.

_______________________________________________________________________________
     Cat Stanton
     stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: v115r4q5@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Perry M Jowsey)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: The real Dan Quayle
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 I recently posted a statement which called for some respect to the Vice Pres-
ident Dan Quayle, and it was met with a slew of negative comments.  What I ask
all those people who are quick to bash Quayle is to take a step back and look
at the man with an unbiased attitude.  I reaffirm my belief that Quayle was
victorious in his debate with Al Gore, and not only do I believe he won but I 
believe he did so convincingly.  Thus far, I have received only negative re-
sponses, but I am sure the vast majority of the population will agree with me.
Quayle has embraced the conservative philosophy that will surface in the 1996 
Presidential election, and this coupled with his ability to overcome the nega-
tive press he endured in his four years as VP should put him in a commanding 
position in the 1996 campaign.  As for the current state of our country, I feel
Bill Clinton should paraphrase what George Bush has said many times "God Bless 
America" to "God Help America" because with a man of his ilk, we will certainly 
need it.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Remember ...
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:04:25 GMT


Jason Merrill's comments on public transit deleted:

In many cities public transportation really does work.  My city (San Antonio)
is plagued by gridlock, but the only public transit we have are buses, which
share those same jammed-up roads.  Our bus system is grossly inefficient,
inconvient, and just plain unreliable.  It gets the tourists around ok, but
for many people 2-hour trips are common, with 45 minute waits sometimes at
transfer points.  People are sometimes late getting somewhere because of
buses running late.  Sometimes a 5 minute delay at a departure point becomes
an extra hour added on to the trip.  It works in other places, but not here.
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From: jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Remember ...
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:35:10 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Nov14.213905.4464@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:

>Well, I've heard that VP-elect Gore has written in his book on the environment
>that cars are a bigger threat to the earth than nuclear weapons.  And he's
>our new VP??  Are you ready for 4 years of Gore jokes?
>
>:-)
>Simon

	If you think about it they most certianly are.  Look at all of
the atmospheric damage done in the past 100 years.  How much of it was
done by cars, and how much by nuclear weapons.  Not to mention the
ground polution (old cars, old tires, gasoline leaks, etc) and the
water polution (again, old cars, old tires, gasoline leaks, etc).
	Besides that Al barely mentioned cars in his book.  The
republicons have blown what he said way out of proportion.

-Jason


-- 
"I sneak in my own house... it's 4 in the morning... I've had too much to 
drink... said I was out with the boys... I sneak in my bedroom... slip 
into bed... I know if I wake her, I'll wake up.... DEAD!"
   							-Dave Mustaine