From: robd@cherry09.cray.com (Robert Derrick)
Subject: Us? Them?
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Date: 18 Nov 92 16:18:46 CST

David Rice writes:
> As long as I'm bitching and complaining. . . .

No blame, no blame.

> It is my observation that Creationists are not interested in
> providing proof, or even evidence, of their claims; their only
> desire is to out-last and out-shout, through attrition, the
> evolutionary scientist until the latter surrenders out of
> dispair and the sheer exertion of trying to educate the willfully
> ignorant.

Unfortunately  for them, they are not going to ever succeed on
T.O.  For although they can always temporarily out post us,
even such ranting juggernauts as myself, they are in no danger
of ever outnumbering us, or ever outlasting us.  Or, of course,
ever outsmarting us.

Over the past few weeks I have been making a playlist of T.O.
posters.  Of the following list, most of them have posted something
in the past few weeks, and of those that haven't, I am fairly sure
that most of them are still lurking out there.  They represent
all levels of expertise and knowledge.  They include Christians,
Atheists, Agnostics, at least one Taoist, and who knows what else.
But all of them, even Onar Aam, who was under the lash a few weeks
ago, have something in common.  They believe in something!  They are us.

Yes, Virginia.  There is still hope.

Following the "us" list is the "them" list.  It is kind of sad and
pathetic.  Please be gentle.  ;^)

US:
Alan Feuerbacher
Andy Peters
Benjamin Dehner
Bill Anderson
Bill Gascoyne
Bill Hyde
Brett Vickers
Bruce Munro
Bruce Salem
Burch Seymour
C Frog (? does this person have a real name)
Chris Colby
Chris Lee
Chris Stassen
Corey (the reformed JW, I disrember his last name)
Dale Skiba
Dan Ashlock
Daniel Johnson
Dave Waller
David Rice
David Tinker
David Utidjian
Derek Abbot
Dr. Pepper (? another incognito)
Eric Shafto
Herb Huston
Jani Patokallio
Jim Acker
Jim Lippard
Jim Merrit
Joel Hanes
Karl (? last name)
Keith Doyle
Kent Sandvik
Larry Moran
Loren King
Loren Petrich
Mark Isaak
Matt Brinkman
Matthew Wiener
Michael Siemon
Mickey Rowe
Mike Huben
Onar Aam
Paul Keck
Ray Ingles
Richard Harter
Richard Schumacher
Rob Day
Rob Derrick
Scott Mullins
Seanna Watson
Seth Bradley
Seth Kroger
Simon Clippingdale
Stanley Friesen
Steve Linke
Steve Watson
Sue Bishop
Tero Sand
Tim Ikeda
Tom Scharle
Trygve Lode
Warren vonRoeschlaub
Wayne Throop
William Hamilton
.. and many others that I am sure that I have missed.

Of the Them, still here:
  Kalki Dasa, Bob Bales, Ted Holden, Lionel Tun, Antii Siivonen

 Note that between this crowd, you would be hard pressed to find any
 argreement about anything, other than that "Evolution is Wrong".
 Kalki is verbose, Bales is in endless repetition, Holden is a lunatic,
 Tun is Holy, and Antii is clueless.

Long gone:
  Jim Loucks, Jim Henley, Ray Cote, C. Allen Roy, Chuck Maier, Michael LeHoullier,
  and the guy that promised us free copies of the JW "Life" book and never
  delivered (what was his name?).  

 I'm sure some of you could certainly add to this list.

So, 

> It's all a matter of attrition. When enough of the educated give
> up defending science from the psudo-science called Creationism
> (due to time constraint, money constraint, dying, apathy), the
> forces of ignorance takes up the slack. And the ignorant ALWAYS
> outnumber the real scientists.

Not here, my friend, not here.  Keep the faith.

Remember Arkansas!

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rob derrick				robd@cherry.cray.com