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From: chris1@uiuc.edu (Chris Trimble)
Subject: Price Corrections are dumb (was : QUADRA 700 FOR SALE)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:09:57 GMT

John F. Whitehead writes
     >I'm asking $4,800 or best offer and I'll wait 
     >until December to sell.  Will ship COD if needed
     
     Looking at the current educational price list, for $4139 plus tax
     I could get everything you have offered plus a QuickTime, Adobe
     Premiere, Aldus Persuasion, and a SuperMac Video Spigot card.

I am really sick of this. Whenever someone on the net advertises his/her
computer for sale, someone in the .edu domain has to come in and say how
the educational discount is much lower, blah blah blah. Face it : people
are always going to pay more than the educational price. So let's cut it
out and just let these people conduct their own business. Not only is it
a waste of bandwidth, but I'm sure everyone already knows this stuff if
s/he has been reading any comp.*.wanted group.


BTW - My opinions do not reflect those of my employer! So Nyah!

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From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:27:29 PDT
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls

Geez, a bit hostile, don't you think? You'd think the guy insulted your
mother 
or something. Why don't you just take a laxative, Mr.
I'm-cooler-than-thou?
And while you're at it, get a life you condescending geek.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Nazedgi@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu ()
Subject: Mac's Doomsday
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:05:50 GMT


Being a former PC user and now a Mac convert I've come to the following
conclusion:  The majority of Mac users just don't get it.  If Apple really
wants to lure a significant amount of PC users it will have to do something
more than proclaim the superiority of the Mac hardware and software. 
They'll have to enter a cut-throat competition:  Dell is doing it, Compaq
is doing it,  Big Blue is doing it.  And I'm not talking about
middle-of-the-road solutions like the Performa line,  I'm talking about
really powerful computer at cheap prices.  Right now, you can get Windows
workstations for less than $2000 (including a monitor) that would blow away
all but the fastest macs, the Quadra line. Now, I'm not saying that Windows
is even close to the MacOS (heck, it's not even an operating system), but
it will certainly give you a good run for your money.  For the average PC
user, Macs look pretty,  but incredibly overpriced. 

Apple computer is a financially healthy company with huge cash reserves. 
They can afford to cut their profit margins without sacrificing quality or
performance.  If they could offer competitive prices to PC users, many of
them would jump into the Mac bandwagon.  Apple would increase their
marketshare and hence would be able to keep their profit margins down. 
Apple must act quickly because soon another formidable competitor is going
to enter the race:  Windows NT.  Bill Gates already succeded in turning a
lemon like Windows into a hit.  God only knows what he'll do with a true
gem like Windows NT.  Bill Gates is the predator and Apple may well be one
of his most coveted preys.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: ingemar@isy.liu.se (Ingemar Ragnemalm)
Subject: Re: New Rumors: no US IIvi, crippled LC ...
Organization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping
Date: 28 Sep 92 11:09:03 GMT

GAYNOR@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor) writes:

>The following are RUMORS discussed in the latest (9/28) MacWEEK.  Only
>rumors, and not to be taken as any sort of gospel.  Yet, I found them
>of enough interest to post and comment on them here.

>Remember guys - RUMORS.  No official Apple word on any of this.  Zip.

>Mac IIvi not to be sold in US?
>------------------------------

>According to the "Mac the Knife" column in the 9/28 MacWEEK, the
>Macintosh IIvi will -not- be marketed in the US.

>...

>As I see it, the IIvi offers a very expandable mid/low level machine,
>...

>One thumb up and one thumb down if this one is true.  I can't really
>decide if it's a Good Thing or a Bad Thing.

As an European, I think the IIvi looks promising, especially if it is cheaper
than a IIsi, which it should be. No more slowdown due to loading in the
video bank, almost as fast even when the IIsi is running at top speed, more
expandable.

>Future Low-End LC to be a "crip"?
>---------------------------------

>In the same column I reference above, a future LC is mentioned
>(ETA - early 93).  Apple seems to be trying to make a color Mac that
>will sell for under US$1000.  So that means re-making the LC.  But how
>to strip it to meet the cost line?  Here's what they might be doing:

>- Shipping with only 2MB of RAM (sigh - I was so happy Apple had seemed
>to settle on 4MB as standard issue.)

That's impossible if they want it to be useful.

>- Push-eject FDHD (yep - killing the auto-eject feature.
>- No SCSI.

Bad. If I buy an *Apple Mac* I want at least the basic features like
auto-eject and SCSI.

>So, whaddaya think of that?  I really don't like the idea of loosing
>something as nasty as IDE into the Mac world, and this Mac "Yugo" LC
>sounds too much like PC hardware running the Mac OS for my taste.  Two
>thumbs down if Apple actually goes through with it.

My opinion is that Apple could attack the PC clone market with such a Mac,
and they should, if nothing else just to get rid of the "cost to much"
problem (If you don't want to pay, then buy that cheap one instead.)
but they shouldn't do it under the Apple Mac name. It would be better to
do it under another name, or licensing ROMs to some company that makes them
as cheap clones. That would give the world a Mac-compatible that is produced
under the same premises as the PC clones: no expensive extras, cheapest
possible parts, 

Actually, the current LC is not the right Mac to do this with. The "clone"
ought to be at least 20-25 MHz with 32-bit bus, or even faster with narrow
bus, in order to compete with the 486's. They must be able to run good games
(with scrolling backdrops etc) and do some number-crunching, but without
the elegance and functionality we pay extra for.



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                  ..
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From: gt0299d@prism.gatech.EDU (Curtis N. Sayre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Resurrecting an old mouse
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:10:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

My wife works for a non-profit organization here in Atlanta.  They have a 
couple of old Mac pluses that were donated to their business.  But 
recently, the mouse on one of them has begun to act up.  The pointer will
only move occasionally to the left when the mouse is moved to the left.
Also, sometimes when the mouse is moved to the right, the pointer moves slightlyto the left.  The mouse has been cleaned, so there isn't any "bad karma" on
the rollers inside the mouse.

Here's the problem.  The mouse is one of the older 9-pin connection types ratherthan the newer ADB types.  The computer store here at Tech wants about $60 for
a new one.  Is there anywhere they could get a new mouse (or get info on how
to fix the old one) cheap?  Remember, they are a non-profit organization with
not a lot of cash to blow on this type of thing.  Thanks in advance.

Curt 

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From: bobj@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Bob Joslin)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 22:30:55 GMT
Subject: PB100 Disk Spin up problems
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware

I like many others, receintly bought a PB100.  Ever since I first got it,
I've noticed a strange problem, that other people I know with PB100s don't
seem to have.

After the disk spins down to save power, and then needs to spin up again,
for some disk activity (like save a file, or redraw a finder window), the
system often (but not always) crashes in the Finder.  Since I have MacsBug,
I can ES, which will restart the Finder.  Usually nothing irrecoverable
happens.  However, sometimes I need to reboot.

I had added virutally nothing to the system, before this problem started
occuring.  Is this a common problem with the PB100?  Has anyone else
had similar problems?  Should I call Apple?

Thanks for your help!

Bob Joslin
Hewlett Packard
IND
bobj@cup.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: edcrwfrd@unlv.edu (Edward Crawford)
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Organization: UNLV
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 20:46:25 GMT

I Disagree with your statement about the performa 600 being 
crippled. You argue that because it doesnt have Nubus 90
or scsi-ii (g'zs if lack of scsi-ii is apple crippling a machine,
even the quadras are crippled since apple doesnt have any scsi
2 machines)

I doubt the performa 600 is mono, it may be but i doubt that.

You complain about only being able to run 13" monitors? Huh?
Did you know that the perfroma has 3 slots? The peforma 600
can use video cards if it wanted... I would rather have the
performa's ability to display 16 bit graphics over my IIci's
ability to use a portrait display.

While the performa 600 has power, its not marketted to powerusers.
While I dont think apple has intentionally crippled the performa,
they intentionally left out features to drive down its cost.
I mean why stick support for 80 inch monitors and ethernet if
your trying to sell it to people who are shopping for a dish
washer at sears and happen to have a mac catch their eye? if they
need all of that they can just get a video card.

Eddie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: hymie@fff.chem.utah.edu (James Kleimeyer)
Subject: Help-Internal HD 50-pin Configuration
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:11:10 GMT


I know, I know, I'm not supposed to do this.  I want to add a hard drive  
to my Mac+.  There are a number of reasons (which I won't get into now)  
why an internal HD would be infinitely preferable to an external one. Some  
guy I know actually has an internal in his Plus. Apparently, somebody in  
California installed it for him by yanking his internal floppy and running  
some jumpers from the new HD to the power board.  Also, a cable was  
fabricated which has a DB-25 on one end, and one of those black plastic  
50-pins on the other. The cable was plugged into the SCSI port on the  
back, was threaded into the machine, and connected at the other end to the  
hard drive. All of this seems to be pretty straightforward.  I'm pretty  
sure I could install one myself, if I knew which pins on the DB-25 SCSI  
corresponded to the appropriate locations on the 50-pin connector.  Does  
anyone know where I can locate such a diagram?  Please e-mail me ASAP if  
you can help. Also, any various installation tips would be greatly  
appreciated. Thanks.    

--
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University of Utah    SLC, UT 84112
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)
Subject: Re: Dealer's Costs for New Macs
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<1992Sep27.151200.5214@oswego.Oswego.EDU>
	<D88-JWA.92Sep27173129@dront.nada.kth.se>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:20:31 GMT

> d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes:

   Well, I see you're not at a technical college, which excuses
   the lapsus; if the prices are 20% lower than the sale prices,

Oops, I forgot the smiley. These days, you can't be too
careful pointing out it's all in good spirit :-)

-- 
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 desk as Fizz and Wobble, rather than HF and LF."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: dfm2@engr.uark.edu (Douglas Miles)
Subject: Deskjet on a mac?
Summary: Can you print to a HP Deskjet 500 from a mac?
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:08:33 GMT

I need to know if there is a way to print from a mac to a Deskjet 500. I know
I'd need a serial to paralell converter, but would the Deskwriter drivers work?
If not, does HP have drivers that would? Any help would be appreciated....
Thanks!

Douglas Miles
dfm2@engr.uark.edu
From: ram@cs.umb.edu (Robert Morris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: RasterOps + CrystalScan
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:50:42 GMT
Reply-To: ram@cs.umb.edu
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

I have a RasterOps 264/30 card for a mac SE/30. Can it be used with
the Mac to drive a Gateway Crystal Scan 1024NI dual frequency monitor?

I'm told the card supports 640x480 with a 67 Hz. vertical rate. The
monitor manual indicates a scanning rate of 50 to 90 to Hz, but
elsewhere, in the constext of VGA, lists a 60 Hz rate. Does using the
card (a) threaten the monitor (b)give anything useful?

What determines the scan rates anyway? Is it a sync signal from the
card, so that anything within 50-90 would work?

BTW, the horizontal scan rates are listed as 31.5 kHz and 48kHz. Is
this also controlled from the video board? If so, what is the
frequency from the RasterOps card and is there any effect of mismatch
aside from changing pixel sizes?

Replies by email will be appreciated.
Thanks
Bob Morris
ram@cs.umb.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: cosc184z@menudo.uh.edu ((COSC148O) 92F00761)
Subject: Re: Opinions on CD-ROM readers sought (SUMMARY)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:34:25 GMT

In article <mehldau.717591552@guug.de> mehldau@guug.de (Gerhard Mehldau) writes:
>
>  [stuff deleted]
>
>One person suggested a recent MacWorld article about the subject,
>but I haven't been able to find it yet.
>
	For a MacWorld review on CD-ROM drives, look in the October 1992
	issue, on page 144.
	16 drives were tested.  

	Their MW editor's choice for High Performance was the InterSect
	CDR-74 (from NEC), $712. Budget Choice: Mirror CD-ROM Drive, $599.
	For more info, read article. :-)
From: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Daystar for the SE (Was:SE to SE/30: Worth It?)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:08:21 PDT
Organization: J. Benedict Computing
Reply-To: raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <1992Sep28.032344.18962@mcs.drexel.edu> (comp.sys.mac.hardware), upsiu@mcs.drexel.edu (Paul Siu) writes:
> All of this discussion is dissolving into my machine is better than your
> machine.  One camp is claiming that the SE030 is faster than the IIsi because
> of its FPU and faster video.  The other camp is claiming that the IIsi is
> faster because of its faster cpu.  Each camp is basing performance on a
> configuration that favors their machine, so the results are meaningless.
> Besides, hasn't the SE030 been discontinued?

The thread began: 

"Should I buy a SE that has been upgraded to an SE/30? Is it really
an SE/30 or a cobbed-up SE?" or something to that effect.

The answer to those questions were:

1. I don't know- what's it worth to you?  This led into the spin-off
into the SE/30 vs. IIsi thread.

2. A SE that has been upgraded to an SE/30 *is* a SE/30 with the possible
exception that it might have a 800K drive. It uses the SE pwr supply
which, if in good shape, is the same as the one in the SE/30.

My question/input:

How about the new adapter which allows the Daystar Powercache series
to be installed in the SE?  It would seem that this would be the way
to go if funds are limited.  The same cache card could be installed
in another Mac when the user could afford the new hardware, i.e. "I'll
spend this $1000 on this SE and when I can afford the II/IIx/IIsi/IIci
hardware, I can use it in it" idea.

Anyone know how the Daystar performs with the SE?

Jeff

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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Mirror 14 " Monitors
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:36:21 GMT

dbl@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Louie) writes:
>Has anyone out there had any experience with the
>new Mirror 14" color monitor? It has a pretty good
>price and I was wondering if anyone had comments on
>its performance. Please email me at dbl@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu
>-Dave
They used to be Goldstar tubes but are now made by Phillips.  Performance
should be similar to that of the Performa Plus display.
_Terry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: howes@cat13.cs.wisc.edu (Glenn Howes)
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:56:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.235148.4790@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>edcrwfrd@unlv.edu (Edward Crawford) writes:
>>I doubt the performa 600 is mono, it may be but i doubt that.
>
>I could be wrong, but I think I read it (600 having mono sound) in the 
>latest issue of MacWorld...


On page 115 of the November 1992 issue of MacWorld 
 ...There are the standard mono sound input and stereo sound output.
				      ^^^^^                  ^^^^^^ 


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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Turning on a Powerbook
Date: 3 Oct 1992 07:29:23 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


 bb11807@thug (Brian A. Blow) writes:
>OK, stupid question #1298:

	no kidding ... ;-)

>Is there a keyboard-equivalent way to turn the power on for a Powerbook?
>seems kind of inconvenient to have to flip open the back panel to turn it on.

	you said it!  I bet the manual mentions (somewhere?) that when
	you hit RETURN (twice?!? or any key?!?) it (should) turn on...
	(turn YOU on ?!?  ;-)

	yikes, it got light already, so tome to head for the bakery
	for coffee and muffins ... ;-)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: straka@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (richard.j.straka)
Subject: Status of Old Macs as of Oct 19.  Any Ideas?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:10:39 GMT

Quick question:

Does anybody have any good ideas as to what pricing decisions will occur on
old Macs like the IIsi and IIci as of the Oct 19 new model introduction date?

There has already been substantial price movement, but will we see further
price cuts, or just a sharp discontinuance of the models?
-- 
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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PDA's are flop
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:48:17 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Nazedgi@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Ivan) writes:

>I don't know what John Sculley thinks, but this new Apple product
>sound like a Lemon to me.

Boy, I wish you'd told us that before we'd spent all those R&D dollars on
the thing. Think of how much larger our profit sharing checks could have
been if we stuck to the safe and standard instead of trying to stretch the
technology envelope.

Thanks, Ivon, for passing on the word. I'm not looking forward to telling
all the folks in the Newton group they're being laid off because their
project is a flop, but since Ivan's spoken, I guess we'll have to...


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: umcho000@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Connie Cho)
Subject: Internal HD nolonger recognized
Summary: Is the problem hardware/software?
Keywords: hard drive Conner unrecognized
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:48:58 GMT

Hello, I've just developed a problem that I hope someone can help
me with. I was working on my IIsi when the desktop began disappearing
everytime I clicked on a window. I've seen this before, and sure enough,
soon the display froze. Fair enough, I did a soft restart from the
keyboard, and waited. And waited- it took an awfully long time for
the happy Mac to appear, and when it did, only the partitions from my
external drive appeared on the desktop. Repeated restarts and searches
of the SCSI chain could not find the internal drive. I did notice,
BTW, that it now takes the normal length of time for the happy Mac icon
to show up. I do know the internal drive spins up at restart, but then
goes on to the external only. So, my question is. does this sound like
the internal drive has been somehow disconnected, or is something
wrong with the controller hardware? Or could it be a software problem?
I am running 7.0.1 Tuned, on an si with 17 megs. The internal drive
is a 40 meg Conner (and I have had problems with this puppy in the
past) 

Thanks so much for any help. Please send e-mail preferably, or post
to this group.

CKC

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.wanted
From: acton@leland.stanford.edu
Subject: Where to buy cheap powerbook SCSI cables?
Reply-To: acton@leland.stanford.edu
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 07:33:54 GMT

Does anyone know where I can get a powerbook SCSI to 25 pin cable?  The  
local computer store sells it for $45 and that's too much!  Mail order  
would be fine.

Thanks in advance,

Brian

acton@leland.stanford.edu
From: upsiu@mcs.drexel.edu (Paul Siu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Mac EKG, does it work?
Date: 27 Sep 92 08:46:36 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Dept. of Math. and Comp. Sci.

There is a interesting software call Mac EKG that is supposed to not only
run diagnostic on your software, but tell how much life your component have.
This sound a bit far-fetched.  Has anyone used this program, does it work?
Does anyone know where it was reviewed?

Thanks


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