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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cal whips UCLA's Butt
Keywords: 104-82 !
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:58:45 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <30470@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>PErhaps what I perceive to be a weakness in Edney's game is actually his
>attempt to make something from nothing more often than most guards need
>to.

He is pretty good at getting inside and finding somebody, but I would agree
he often goes in there with no idea what he is going to do, and that hurt
him yesterday.
>Running is the strength of many teams in the pac this season and judging by
>UCLA's record they clearly aren't that damn good at it. How the hell do you
>run with Petruska? If they intend to win without a half-court game (which
>they do not have yet) then they need stronger guard play. I'm sorry
>but I've seen them 5  times this season and the guard play may be better than
>the play of their bigmen (petruska zimmerman zidek) but that is saying
>very little I'm afraid...

The plan was that Petruska would clean the glass and throw outlet passes,
while Tarver, Butler and O Bannon fought over who got to take the pass
on the wing and dunk it. The problem is that Petruska and OBannon have not
cleaned the glass at all. They get outrebounded by just about everybody.
In fairness to Ed, he is so good on the run that its often tempting for
him to release, but he needs to start concentrating on the boards first.
I have no excuse for Petrusk, he is big enough, and strong as an ox, but
he is not getting enough boards, and as you mentioned he gets 3-4 silly
fouls per game reaching in on guys.

Tarver is averaging ~16 ppg, 5 rebounds and 3 assists, shooting just about
50%. Edney is averaging about 13 ppg, 6+ assists and ~3 steals. The only
problem with the guards is outside shooting, both guys are good players
who play good defense, they just need a shooter to go with them.

One thing here is that UCLA is really about 8-10 points away from being
5-1 in the conference. They would have beaten Arizona if they could rebound
a missed freethrow(happened at least twice again yesterday), and although
OSU controlled most of the game, UCLA could have won that game too, they
just failed to make plays at the end of the game. Cal was the only game
this year where they simply were handed their heads in a box(Pitt beat us
bad too, but Butler did not play and it was a road game, a little easier
to understand). The problem is they have been losing these close games
with the exception of last year, throughout Harricks tenure as coach.

I waffle back and forth on this all the time, but I think its pretty clear
they should make the change after this year. The players still like him,
but the administration and alumni do not, and apparently neither do the
recruits.






Russ Smith
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From: msherrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca (Mike Sherrick)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UC Beats UAB
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:58:04 GMT
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada

In article <1993Jan24.203325.1549@cis.uab.edu>, beegle@ftp.phy.uab.ed writes:

(text deleted)
 
> This stall game allmost gave UAB the game. At certine times Cinn was 
> very over aggressive at they seemed out of there game. Regardless
> of weather you liked it or not, Stalling did allow UAB to beat Memphis
> State at Memphis and almost helped UAB to steel a win against the Bearcats.

Thanks for the interesting summary. As ugly as it must have been, I still 
would have liked to have seen the game. UAB deserves credit for a good 
strategy, but I still can't imagine how the stall slowed down the game THAT 
much. How could UAB get 12 straight rebounds? The defensive team always has 
a position advantage for rebounding. A lot of the low score must have been 
Cincy's fault. How did Huggins react during the game? How did the fans 
react?

P.S. I saw Van Exel's shot on CNN, and the UAB player did a great defensive 
job when he slapped the ball away from Blount inside. Cincy was lucky to 
get the ball back and lucky to win the game.

Mike
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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: Wisconsin beats Michigan State!
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:17:53 CST

In article <1993Jan23.151152.6358@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>Wisconsin       67
>Michigan State  66
>
>Well, Wisconsin wins their third straight game over a ranked Big 10
>opponent, but more importantly, on enemy territory. 

It would be good to see Wisconsin make the tourney this year.  When's the
last time (ever?)

Anything can happen in the Big 10 this year.  About the only sure thing is
Indiana will win.  Other than that, who knows?

Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Who is #1?
From: ghjelmstad@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:55:38 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University


>From: harveyc@seq.uncwil.edu (harveyc chet x)
>Carolina, UNC, Tarhells, any more stupid questions? The heels have
>played a strong schedule, and lost one to the fab five by (1). What
>a lucky shot for them. If they can stay healthy I think they have
>a 30 win season ahead of them. GO HEELS!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Joy!!!   ... and maybe they could lose in the sweet sixteen... (again)

Feb. 3rd... Cameron.  Then we'll talk.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: The art of getting fouled. Re: tOSU 69 - IU 96
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:14:16 GMT

In article <C1H0y1.E84@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.182144.19539@news.acns.nwu.edu> marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>>
>>Despite apparent traffic to the contrary, this thread needs some
>>resurfacing.  Indiana does not get calls in its favor because the IU Alumni
>>bribe officials.  Officials call fouls as they see them.  
>
As I see it, your Ed Hightowers, etc, call them as they see them.  Despite
what Al McGuier (?) says, though, I think Jody Sylvester's calls tend to 
favor IU overall.  This is probably not intentional, but whenever some
other official in Sylvester's crew boots a call, you'll see Knight corral
Jody to "discuss" the call.  Not that anything ever comes of this...

On the other hand, during the IU-Purdue game there was some official that
consistently made his calls against IU, or no-calls favoring Purdue.  As
an example, he was standing right behind Waddell at one point when he
clearly double-dribbled.  Every drunk in the bar saw it, Bobby knight saw
it, even I saw it, (!) but this one ref didn't.

>...and in the Big Ten, they don't see too many.  In fact, most refs can't
>see.  The conference purposely hires near-sighted officials from a regional
>union to save money in tax loopholes.  Of course, all that money goes back
>into optometrists, but they enjoy getting money back from Uncle Scam anyway.
>
This is of course folly.

>This is true, though.  Most of you will recall last year's semifinal matchup
>between Duke and Indiana, where several calls at the beginning of the second
>half were charges, two taken by Chris Reynolds, the other 400 taken by the
>Blue Devils.  Duke is especially good at drawing charges and gives out an
>award to the player who takes the most in a season.
>
RStimets


Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jmw3c@Virginia.EDU ("Eddie Vedder")
Subject: Re: 3 POINT SHOOTERS? Who are they?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:48:20 GMT

Doug Smith here at U.Va. was 20 for 40 in 12 games prior to our
loss to Georgia Tech on Saturday.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: George Paap <george_paap@email.sps.mot.com>
Subject: Cal Woes - NOT!
X-Xxdate: Mon, 25 Jan 93 10:35:59 GMT
Organization: Motorola RISC
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:41:37 GMT

Ok, I don't even pretend to be knowledgeable about college basketball,
but I wanted to say that yesterday's "spanking" (according to CNN
headline news) of UCLA was one of the most enjoyable CAL basketball games
I've seen (It only took 45 minutes to tune it in at the local sports
bar).  Yea, it's a very streaky team, but I really like this streak :). 
Does anyone know the last time CAL scored over 100 points?

George Paap

I am my opinions.
(which almost certainly are not those of my employer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Duke then UNC, Duke then UNC, etc... (was Re: Destiny Night at FSU)
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:01:52 GMT
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC

Ilyess Bdira writes:
>Kevin Delgado writes:
>>
>>p.s. To all you guys who said FSU wasn't a top 25 team: IN YOUR _FAAAACE_!!!
>
>Have you heard of the Duke curse?
>I hope FSU won't lose its next three games :-)

Good one.  Also, note that all three have had/or will have the privelege of 
playing in the Dean Dome less than 5 days after beating Duke (either at home 
or in Cameron).

Hope UNC remembers the first game vs. FSU last year...

In Virginia's defense, I don't think there is a team in the country that 
could go beat Duke in Cameron and then beat UNC in the Dean Dome just 3 
days later.  Out of curiosity, has it ever been done?

-- 
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Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Start the Bus (was Re: Duke Crushes San Francisco 117-73)
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:13:43 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <9170@news.duke.edu> fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes:
>	NO public transportation in NC?  Did you ever hear of a bus?  Have
>you ever gone outside the rock walls of Duke to the surrounding town,
>commonly known as Durham, North Carolina?  Or are you just assuming, via
>rash stereotypical generalization, that in backwoods states in the South 
>everybody still rides mules?  For that matter, even Dook has its own
>bus system, which is free, but since Dook doesn't let anybody from NC on
>campus except the selected, privileged few it admits as students, I guess
>*that* couldn't very well qualify as "public" transportation.

Well, since I grew up in the bustling metropolis of Greenville, NORTH
CAROLINA, and finished high school in the CITY of DURHAM, North
Carolina, excuse me if I happen to know what I am talking about.

What I said was "BASICALLY no public transportation", in a direct
comparison to Boston which is what the original poster was talking
about.  Yes, I know about the bus, and I've even been on the train, but
that's NOTHING compared to major metropolitan areas like Boston, NYC,
Chicago, etc.  And personally I prefer it that way.

And I'll have you know that for YEARS before I was a student at Duke, I
used to ride the Duke buses regularly to go over to use their libraries
to do research.  No one "didn't let" me do it, either.

And lastly, this really belongs in e-mail, if you're truly criticizing
me.  But if it's really just a swipe at Duke... it ain't the first (nor
the best) one.

- Rob Mac K


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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Top-ranked teams, week-by-week
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:15:35 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center


	  Top-Ranked
 Date        Team                      Comment
-------   ----------  ------------------------------------------------
Dec.  1   Michigan    Lost to #4 Duke by 11 points on Dec. 5
Dec.  7   Duke        
Dec. 14   Duke        
Dec. 21   Duke        
Dec. 28   Duke        
Jan.  4   Duke        Lost to #10 GA Tech by 1 point on Jan. 10
Jan. 11   Kentucky    Lost to Vanderbilt by 15 points on Jan. 13
Jan. 18   Kansas
Jan. 25   Kansas      Lost to Long Beach State U. by 15 pts on Jan. 25
Feb.  1   ????

# of weeks at throne:
--------------------
Duke     - 5 weeks
Kansas   - 2 weeks
Kentucky - 1 week
Michigan - 1 week



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From: crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Rice 67 Texas Tech 59
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:17:51 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>
>I haven't seen the box score (clarinet only carries articles on top 25
>games and "real" conferences), but here's what I saw:
	    ^^^^

This "real" means "real midwestern".  I know they have a reason (namely
that is where they have people doing the college newsgroups, but if I
see one more box score of Illinois Wesleyan University, I'm going to puke.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: UW-Mil's Von McDade
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:22:44 GMT

dem21178@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan Montroy) writes:

>Does anyone know what happened to Von McDade, former player on the University
>of Wisconsin-Milwaukee basketball team?  He caught our attention a few 
>years ago when UW-Mil played Illinois in the Illini Classic, and I was just
>wondering.

	From what I recall, he finished something like 3rd in the country
	in scoring last season, at something like 28ppg.  He was drafted in
	the NBA draft in the 2nd round by the New Jersey Nets, but he didn't
	make the cut.  Your best bet to find him is either on the CBA wire
	or overseas.

	Jazzy J

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Can IU go unbeaten?
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:26:49 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1993Jan25.125057.17357@dg-rtp.dg.com> foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com writes:
>
>It's not as strong at the top as many would like us to believe but the B11 is
>stronger in the middle than other conferences. That's the difference. 


???   Having 2 teams in the top 5 is not too shabby...  4 in the top 15...
5 total teams in the top 25, with 2 or 3 more that have a shot at the top
25 as well.  Many, many people have picked both IU and Michigan to be Final
Four teams.   That is pretty strong at the top, especially with Iowa a border
line top 10 team as well (though the loss of Street will hurt)...
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Possesion Arrow
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:51:40 GMT

In article <1jmul6INN5qi@golf.cis.ohio-state.edu> wlee@cis.ohio-state.edu  
(Wang-Chien Lee) writes:
> 
> Would someone please tell me how the possesion arrow is decided?
> In a jump ball situation, we look at the possesion arrow to decide
> which side the ball belongs to. However, I never had a clue how it's
> decided. 

At the beginning of the game, there is an actual tipoff.  Say
team A gets the ball on the tipoff.  Then the posession arrow
points "to team B", that is to say in the direction of the basket
they are shooting at.  

Then, if there is a "tie-up" situation - a situation where a player
from each team holds the ball for 1 second - the team that the arrow
is pointing to gets the ball and a new 45 seconds on the shot clock.
The arrow then points to the other team.  

Other situations where possession is decided by the arrow are
the first possession of the second half, and a couple less common
happenings such as when two players touch the ball at the same time
before it goes out of bounds, or the ball is stuck between the rim
and the backboard. 

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,psu.sports
From: exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Re: ATTENTION ALL PENN STATERS-IMPORTANT!!!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:38:20 GMT

<AER107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Mr. Exby, I have a serious question for you.  Have you actually ever gone to
>a top 25 women's basketball game.  I suppose that the answer is obviously "no."

you are right, the answer is:
no - it's too boring to waste my money on.  or time.

>If you had, you would be much more moderate.  In the very off chance that you

moderate?  me ? who says?

>lack of dunks since they show supremacy by scoring points, or maybe the fact
>that you don't need to be 6' 8" to be a good player?  Incidentally, you're not

yeah scores of layups off the glass, and relatively slow footspeed
leads to a real exciting game.  whew.

>even as tall as Lady Lion Tina Henry.  You really ought to know what you're
>talking about before you blast something.

hm, does that mean she won't go out with me if I ask her?    ;-)
or do i need the BabeMaster(tm) stamp of approval first?

>AER107@PSUVM.psu.edu
>P.S. Colorado has the #7 team in the country.  You could find out without even
>having to go far.

no - it's too boring to waste my money on.  or time.

::j

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From: larry@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Refs Suck? (was Re: Duke Wins Doubleheader Game 1, 65-56)
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:07:41 GMT
Reply-To: larry@abby.chem.ucla.edu
Organization: Department of Chemistry, UCLA

In article <1993Jan19.011525.31442@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, tshannon@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon) writes:
>From article <1993Jan18.141906.27092@brtph560.bnr.ca>, by markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205):
>> In article <8716@news.duke.edu> rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA) writes:
>>>Just a note about the officials:  Where the hell did they dig up those
>>>turkeys?  They were confused all night, blew calls left and right, and
>>>didn't seem to know the meaning of the word "foul."  Duke was only
>> 
>
>	Gee, What would you expect from Big Ten Refs?  Touch fouls
>getting called?  The refs weren't great, but they were the same to
>both teams at least, if anything Iowa got the shaft.  
>

  The Iowa players did not seem particularly happy about the 
officiating either.  I know at least three different times Acie
Earl complained to the refs about the Duke players clearing out
with the off-arm when driving to the basket.  Or does Earl always
complain about this to the refs?

 -Lec Luthor
  Criminal Genius and Cardinal Fan Extraordinaire
  lec@monty.chem.ucla.edu
From: adrian@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Adrian Allan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC ends UVa's undefeated season
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:23:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

I hate to say it but beating a 14 point underdog at home--even if they
are undefeat--really isn't that big of deal.  It is what is expected.
From: marty@Shiva.COM (Marty Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 3 POINT SHOOTERS? Who are they?
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:13:24 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: Shiva Corporation, Cambridge, Ma, USA

In article <1k6vaqINNho5@gap.caltech.edu> eastout@ugcs.caltech.edu (Eric A Stout) writes:
>In article <82064@hydra.gatech.EDU> (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>>From today's papers...
>>
>>NCAA 3 Point Leaders (by percentage)
>>---------------------------------------------
>>Gibson, UNLV		30-53		56.6%
>>Davis, Middle Tenn	22-40		55.0%
>>Anderson, Kent		29-53		54.7%
>>Capers, Arizona St	20-37		54.1%
>>Peinton, East Tenn	22-41		53.7%
>>Witman, W Michigan	42-79		53.2%
>>McCaffrey, Vandy	35-66		53.0%
>>Ford, Kentucky		35-66		53.0%
>>Mills, Arizona		25-48		52.1%
>>Ryder, Siena		23-45		51.1%
>>
>
>Okay, I'm going to put my nerd hat on for a minute here.  Do these numbers look
>funny to any of the economists out there?  I'm not sure I can make my point
>coherent here, but it looks to me like these guys should be shooting a consid-
>erably larger number of threes than they are right now.  Gibson, for example,
>is averaging 1.70 points every time he throws up a three point shot.  Now, I
>happen to know that UNLV doesn't average 1.70 points/shot overall, because that
>would be they were hitting about 85% of their two-pointers (discount free
>throws from this admittedly suspect analysis).  So why doesn't Gibson shoot
>more?  Specifically, why doesn't he shoot enough three-pointers such that his
>average points/shot are the same as the team average?  What I mean by that is,
>presumably as he started shooting more, his percentage would fall at some rate
>proportional to the number of shots he jacks up, assuming that he currently
>takes only the best available shots.  But until his points/shot fall to the
>team average points per shot, the team continues to enjoy a marginal profit
>from Gibson jacking up the three.  So, what it suggests to me when guys are
>shooting extraordinary percentages (the same reasoning applies to two point
>shots, really) is that THEY JUST AREN'T SHOOTING ENOUGH!
>But I'm an engineer, not an economist or a college basketball coach...
>

Maybe it has something to do with the difficulty in getting a good 3-point
shot off.  Maybe there are only 5 good shots a game available to these
players.  Or I guess their coaches have just imposed quotas on them...



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