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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Let the praying begin...
Keywords: n
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 03:50:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.160738.14595@hou.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace) writes:
>
>What if:
>A&M and Alabama wind up undefeated??  They can't meet in a Bowl game.
>
>You always have the Rose Bowl problems...
>
>and the worst case for me personally??  Miami, Alabama, and A&M all 
>undefeated...  A&M has virtually no chance to win the title.  A&M would
>have to pound Notre Dame or Florida State by 20 and pray for the Miami
>Alabama game to be sloppy and close to have a chance.  I ask you, which
>would you prefer?
>A: Having to beat Miami by 1 for the MNC
>B: Having to beat (Florida State/Notre Dame/Washington or Arizona) by 20+
>      and wait to see...
>
Pretty touch choice!
 
A: A&M couldn't beat Miami by 1 (unless you count the Vegas point spread)
B: Each of those team would probably kill A&M  (20+ in your dreams!)

How about a third choice:
C: Meet Stanford in a bowl game rematch. A&M would have a tough
time winning again, the way the Trees have been playing. (Three loses,
but only to Top Ten teams.)
So, lose to Texas, and save yourself the frustration of praying for
the MNC! :^)  Maybe Stanford will finish in or near the Top Ten and play 
you again in the Mobil Bowl. (Now I'm dreaming. :^} )

Say, wasn't it great to see USC go down, and ND revitalized,
and on the same day?

- g.s.
- still studying for one of those dreaded Tree midterms. :( 

  














Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: alan@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Alan Martin)
Subject: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:22:48 GMT

stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:

>I still don't understand why everyone thinks Ohio State is so hot for
>Mason. 

Then you don't understand the net.  Somebody posted that they read somewhere
that Mason was the guy, and the rest of us ran with it because we're too damn
lazy to check facts with a reputable publication.  It now has a life of its
own and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.  Ohio State could
sign Cooper to a ten year extension or hire Joe Gibbs, and it wouldn't matter.
We've got our little thread here, and by God we're going to stick with it.


					Facts are irrelevant,
					Al
					alan@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu
From: skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: WE WANT MIAMI!!
Keywords: Nebraska best team in the nation again!
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:49:13 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:


>In article <skipb.721191476@cwis>, skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell) writes:
>>So I'm rooting for Bama and A&M to get upset so we can play Miami again and
>>see in a reversal of the 1983 OB game. I now believe we can beat Miami in
>>Miami. Anyway, I'd like to have the chance to prove it. C'mon Florida and
>>Texas, help us out! :-)
>>
>You're a fool, Skip.  If the OrangeBowl were a neutral site, then
>having anyone there would be fine.  But that is Miami's homefield.
>Why not just have the OrangeBowl played in Lincoln?  I still think
>that all bowls should be played on a neutral field.
>--
>Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company

I may be a fool, but Miami's home field winning streak has to end sometime.
This Husker team could be just the team to do it. That is, if the same team
that whipped Colorado and Kansas shows up for the Orange Bowl. I'm toning down
my enthusiam a bit until I see if NU can keep up the intensity of the last 2
games against Iowa State, Oklahoma, and Kansas State.

You think Miami would agree to play the Orange Bowl in Lincoln?? :-)

--
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Alabama better than Michigan
Organization: American Math. Society
	<vanepps-041192042124@aha260.ccs.itd.umich.edu>
	<1992Nov04.145017.39699@uvmark.uucp>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:43:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov04.145017.39699@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:

   >win them all, then we will talk...".   Michigan is the last team in the
   >nation to talk about "play somebody".  

Isn't Texas A&M the last team to talk about "play somebody"?


-Alan Harder
 
These opinions are mine.  You can't have them.  Stop, thief!



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rszczerb@neumann.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Brooks for Heisman
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:13:20 GMT

If the Heisman is really supposed to be given for an individual's
performance during a season, then Reggie Brooks definitely has
to be considered among the front runners.

He's got 1038 yards on 125 carries for an incredible 
season average of 8.3 yards per carry.  In comparison,
Faulk has 6.5 yards/carry and Hearst has 7.9 yards/carrie.
Brooks also has 10 touchdowns.

On top of all this, he posted these numbers while having to
split time with All American Candidate Jerome Bettis and
other Irish backs.  He's the first Irish back to gain
1000+ yards in the Lou Holtz era.

I'd like to hear some other opinions on this.

		- Rob



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From: C14577@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Debra Sullivan)
Subject: Re: bowl games
Organization: Motorola
Date: 12 Nov 1992 10:54:24 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: malhotra@aludra.usc.edu (Arvind Malhotra)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: bowl games
Date: 11 Nov 1992 13:25:14 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


can anyone please post the various bowl games, their location nad scheduled
dates.
thanx

January 1 games
Rose           Pasadena, CA
Sugar          New Orleans, LA
Cotton         Dallas, TX
Orange         Miami, FL
Fiesta         Tempe, AZ
Citrus         Orlando, FL
Blockbuster    Miami, FL
Hall of Fame   Tampa, FL

January 2
Peach          Atlanta, GA

December 31
Gator          Jacksonville, FL
Independence   Shreveport
Liberty        Memphis, TN
Hancock        EL Paso, TX

December 30
Holiday        San Antonio, CA

December 29
Copper         Tucson, AZ
Freedom        Anaheim, CA

December 25
Aloha          Honolulu, HI

December 18
Silver         Las Vegas, Nevada


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From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Subject: Re: Bowl Game for Michigan State?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:52:03 GMT

In article <yvonne.721504884@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
>
>
>
>The Hall of Fame Bowl will decide by Sunday (6 EST) whether it will take a Big
>10 team
>Ten team.  That bowl had a commitment to take the #3 Big Ten team, but as a
>Coalition bowl (I think) required teams to have 8 wins.

Don't you mean the Holiday Bowl?????

>yvonne_lee@infoworld.com   (preferred email reply address)

Pat Lawson
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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: Polls, Computer Rankings....
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:23:31 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov10.162633.7850@cbnewse.cb.att.com> rar84@cbnewse.cb.att.com (rick.a.rockershousen) writes:
>   Just a few reminders about polls and the like:
>
>   Poll "facts":
>



The only "fact" I've seen so far is that a #1 team has a better than
average chance against a #10 team.  And even that isn't true if the
#10 team is home.


--
Bryan.Luedy@um.cc.umich.edu
--


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From: pruett@b15.ingr.com (Debbie Pruett)
Subject: Re: SEC East shoots itself in the foot
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:22:38 GMT

tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.181603.24175@b11.b11.ingr.com>, mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell) writes:
>>In article <Bx63po.Erw@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>>>
>>>There is a BIG difference in scheduling a team and playing one in a Bowl.
>>>The fact we played Alabama in the Sugar Bowl has nothing to do with
>>>the Tide refusing to play Miami during the regular season. I think it
>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>    And y'all wonder why Miami fans got the nickname "blowhards"? 
>>The closest thing to a chance to play each other that I can recall
>>is when Miami was shopping for a conference.  They elected to go to
>>one they felt they could dominate instead of coming to the SEC and
>>take the greater risk of being beaten on any given week.  If there

>I can't believe you guys are still upset about this.  First of all, the
>SEC never, NEVER invited Miami to join.  In fact, they were so concerned 
>with getting FSU that they never considered Miami until after FSU had joined
>the ACC.  By that time, the Big East had already approached Miami and
>everything was pretty much settled.  And don't forget that basketball was
>a big reason why Miami wanted to join a conference.  

>And as for dominating a conference, if you take a look at the polls, you will
>notice that there are 3 Big East teams in the Top 10.  And how many SEC teams
>are in the Top 10?  Just 1, and what is more impressive is that the SEC has
>12 teams, while the Big East has only 8 teams.

>I personally am glad that Miami didn't go to the SEC for the simple reason
>that those schools have refused time and time again to play Miami in any
>sort of home and home series.  I can't remember the last time that an
>SEC school other than Florida played Miami in the Orange Bowl.  

D
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: The I-AA playoff picture
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:34:53 GMT

With two weeks left in the season, there are 23 teams which are still capable 
of finishing the season with three or fewer losses or ties.  These teams, their
records, and their remaining schedules:

Team                Record         November 14         November 21

The Citadel         8-1-0          Va. Military        at Furman
Delaware            8-1-0          at Richmond         Towson St.
N. Iowa             8-1-0          Western Ill.        SW Missouri
Massachusetts       7-1-0          Maine               at New Hampshire
E. Kentucky         7-2-0          at Austin Peay      at Morehead St.
Georgia Southern    7-2-0          Troy St.            at Youngstown St.
Idaho               7-2-0          Montana St.         at Boise St.
Middle Tennessee    7-2-0          Morehead St.        Tennessee Tech
NE Louisiana        7-2-0          SF Austin           at N. Texas St.
Samford             7-2-0          at Tennessee-Martin Central Florida
Tennessee Tech      7-2-0          at Marshall         at Middle Tennessee
Villanova           7-2-0          Fordham             Maine
William and Mary    7-2-0          Lehigh              at Richmond
Youngstown St.      7-2-0          at Akron            Georgia Southern
Sam Houston St.     6-2-1          McNeese St.         SW Texas
Central Florida     5-3-0          James Madison       at Samford
E. Washington       6-3-0          Boise St.           OPEN
Marshall            6-3-0          Tennessee Tech      at E. Tennessee St.
McNeese St.         6-3-0          Sam Houston         at Weber St.
Richmond            6-3-0          Delaware            William and Mary
SW Missouri St.     6-3-0          at Indiana St.      at N. Iowa
W. Carolina         6-3-0          E. Tennessee St.    at Appalachian St.
W. Illinois         6-3-0          at N. Iowa          OPEN

Likely Automatic Bids:

Big Sky: Idaho      Ohio Valley: Middle Tennessee   Southland: NE Louisiana
Gateway: N. Iowa    Southern:    The Citadel        Yankee:    Delaware

PDunn
From: bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Reggie Brooks for Heisman
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 10:22:09 EST
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.meaddata.com

In article <lfqaeeINNh10@cronkite>, andy@sunloop.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov8.163244.16264@wl.com> wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
|> >	People can say all that they want about Marshall Faulk, Garrison Hearst,
|> >Gino Torreta, and the rest, but IMHO Reggie Brooks deserves some serious
|> >consideration for the Heisman.
|> 
|> Hmmmm,  first Mirer,  Bettis,  now Brooks.  Why don't we just give it to the
|> ND MVP ?

This is exactly why it is so hard for an ND back to win it, ND (at least
under Holtz) always has several really good ones so none of them get the
ball enough.  Ricky Watters, Tony Brooks, and Anthony Johnson all
played together and all would have been considered superstars if they
were the sole ball carriers (especially Watters.) This has happened
again this year.  Check out Brooks' TD run against Michigan.


|> Andy Knipp                    |

Bob Jones
From: grantham@beirut.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Some comments
Date: 8 Nov 1992 09:09:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: beirut.berkeley.edu

It may be heresy to say this, but a good reason not to have a national
playoff system is that it's just not that important.  College football
should be done for the advantage of the players and schools involved.  It's
not clear that there'd be an advantage, and I think there'd be a
disadvatnage, if you destroyed the bowl system in the process.

Now, you may say, "what about basketball?"  Well, the NCAA tournament is
the bowl system of college basketball.  It a) has a certain amount of
tradition & b) allows many schools to participate.  You can't have a
realistic football championship without restricting it to 2 or 4 teams.
Even at 4, you'd probably have to destroy the bowl system.  This sort
of thing should not happen just to satisfy the desires of a bunch of
people not involved with the colleges who want to "know" who is the best.

Jon
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SWC Heisman Woofin'
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:11:05 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

>In article <1992Nov5.143343.913@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>>Oh NOOOOO, we've been out-WOOFED.  I now count TWO Trevor Cobb woofs in
>>one day alone.  I agree, he's a great back.  And I do believe that he'll
>>score 21 against Tech.  But I think Clemmons and Hill will connect at
>>least 3 times and Bam Morris will score at least once and maybe a few
>>assorted others.  I'm sticking to my original prediction.
>>
>
>Maybe there's hope for the rest of the SWC after all... I never thought I
>would see the day when there would be a Rice/Texas Tech Woof-fest.  And
>over a heisman trophy in addition to the game, no less.
>
>- goober (here a woof, there a woof) smith

Don't forget darkhorse Heisman candidate "Dandy" Dan Freiburger of SMU.

GT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: traynor@fnalo.fnal.gov
Subject: ND/PSU--third time's a charm?
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:46:53 GMT
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NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Oh _puhleeeeaaase_ let's beat Penn State this year........

                                        -Mike Traynor
					

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From: ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert)
Subject: KU stats for {OSU,OU,KSU,NU}?
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college 
Summary: Looking for above stats
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:36:54 GMT


I'd like to put together a CU-KU stat comparison for CU and KU's common 
opponents. I have all of CU's stats but need KU's. Is there anyone out
there who has access to these stats?

CU and KU have both played OSU,OU,KSU and NU.

I'll put them together and post them without any subject type comments attached.
I promise.

-ethan

--
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Scientific Visualization Group,             | I represent myself only.
Scientific Computing Division               |-------------------------------
National Center for Atmospheric Research, PO BOX 3000, Boulder Co, 80307-3000
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: UW, Arizona, & Miami
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:05:31 GMT

privat@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Jim Privat) writes:

>A Washington fan's impressions of the UW-UA game and the
>ensuing UW/UA/Miami debates I've seen in the last couple of
>days:

snip< snip< snip<

>I think that Dmitrius's (sp?) argument that the Miami/Arizona game
>was close only because Miami didn't take Arizona seriously
>and "probably didn't even practice for the game" is totally
>bogus (sorry for not quoting directly from his posting, I don't
>feel like going back to find it).  First, Arizona is a damn good
>team, and would give Miami a run for their money even if Miami
>knew they weren't a pushover.  Second, if a team doesn't bother
>to try hard or get up for the "easy" games, that doesn't say
>much about them either.

No flame - just for the record Miami now has a winning streak
	   of 55 against unranked teams.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Traditional Rivalries
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:20:08 GMT


Since we are getting to the point in the college football
season where "Rivals Collide!!!", does anybody have a copy
of the list of "trophies" that are at stake?

e.g., Duke vs. UNC for "Victory Bell", the (already played)
Old Oaken Bucket, the Apple Cup, etc...

Orin

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Subject: Re: SWC Heisman Woofin' 
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:38:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.143343.913@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>Oh NOOOOO, we've been out-WOOFED.  I now count TWO Trevor Cobb woofs in
>one day alone.  I agree, he's a great back.  And I do believe that he'll
>score 21 against Tech.  But I think Clemmons and Hill will connect at
>least 3 times and Bam Morris will score at least once and maybe a few
>assorted others.  I'm sticking to my original prediction.
>

Maybe there's hope for the rest of the SWC after all... I never thought I
would see the day when there would be a Rice/Texas Tech Woof-fest.  And
over a heisman trophy in addition to the game, no less.

- goober (here a woof, there a woof) smith
From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:52:53 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>In an article <1992Nov12.200918.40770@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp
>(Dave Meeks) writes:

>>Based on current standings or course of year schedules???  
>>Miami has played #5 FSU, #9 Arizona, and #22 Penn State so far.  They
>>are schedule to face #10 Syracuse next week.

>Don't forget they also played Nebraska.  

They did? I think you are quite mistaken here. Washington played Nebraska,
Miami did not.

-Brian 

>Will
From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: ISU-KSU Score?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:17:01 GMT

     What was the score of the Iowa State-Kansas State game?

                                   Steve
///
-- 
    Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
    They gave me differential calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    So they gave me integral calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
    Now I have vector calculus, and...I'm starting to lose consciousness...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: w0o3469@summa.tamu.edu 
Subject: Re: what if....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:31:00 GMT

lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:

>What if Miami loses leaving Alabama and Texas A&M the only undefeated
>teams in the cartel.  Would they be allowed to play each other
>someplace?
>
>John L

If this scenario happens, it is not possible for them to play each other
for a national champion.  SWC and SEC champion is locked to the Cotton
and Sugar bowl respectively. 

Ong
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: WILLIAM.S.BILL.W.ZUK@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("William S. Zuk")
Subject: MAJOR NEW CONFERENCE PROPOSED
Organization: W L I
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:05:39 GMT



THE UNIVERSITY PRESIDENTS, ATHLETIC DIRECTORS, AND THE NCAA REACHED
A TENTATIVE AGREEMENT IN THE EARLY HOURS OF WEDNESDAY MORNING IN THE
FORMATION OF A MAJOR NEW MEGA SUPER CONFERENCE.  THE NEW CONFERENCE
WILL CONSIST OF AN UNPRECEDENTED 18 SCHOOLS PLAYING UNDER A THREE
DIVISION FORMAT FOR FOOTBALL.  UNDER THE PROPOSAL, EACH DIVISION
CHAMPION AS WELL AS ONE SELECT WILD CARD TEAM WILL COMPETE IN A
2-ROUND PLAYOFF TO DETERMINE THE LEAGUE CHAMPION TO BE AUTOMATICALLY
AWARDED A BERTH IN THE ROSE BOWL ON JAN. 1.


POTATOE DIVISION      OZONE DIVISION      BOZO DIVISION

IDAHO                 ARIZONA             ALABAMA
INDIANA               FLORIDA             OKLAHOMA
TEXAS                 NEBRASKA            SOUTH CAROLINA
NORTH CAROLINA        WYOMING             MISSISSIPPI
VIRGINIA              SOUTH DAKOTA        UTAH
KANSAS                ALASKA              NORTH DAKOTA


THE NEW CONFERENCE PLANS TO BE KNOWN AS THE BUSH LEAGUE.


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