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From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packers vs Niners
Date: 21 Dec 1992 20:57:23 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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 >I'll take this as a challenge. Pick any team of the 80s or 90s, and
 >demonstrate that it includes a player at every position equal to the
 >following:
 >
 >
 >
 >               1966 Packers            77 Cowboys
 
 >
 >Quarterback:   Bart Starr             Roger Staubach
 >
 >Running Back:  Paul Hornung           Tony Dorrset
 >               Jim Taylor             Ron Springs
 >
 >O-Line:                Jim Ringo      
                                        
 >               Jerry Kramer           Tom Raferty 
 >               Forrest Gregg          John Fitzgerald
                                         
 >               Fuzzy Thurston          
 >
 >Wide Receiver: Max McGee               Drew Pearson
 >               Boyd Dowler             Butch Johnson
 >               Carroll Dale            Tony Hill
 >
 >Tight End:     Marv Fleming            Jay Saldi
 >
 >D-line:        Willie Davis            Doomsday Defense!
 >               Lionel Aldridge         Randy White
 >               Henry Jordan            Ed Too Tall Jones
 >               Bob Brown               Harvey Martin
 >                                       
 >
 >Linebacker:    Ray Nitschke            Benny Barnes
 >               Dave Robinson           Bob Brunig
 >               Leroy Caffey            D.D Lewis
 >
 >D-Back:        Herb Adderly	         Charlie Waters
 >               Willie Wood             
 >               Bob Jeter               
 >
 >Head Coach:    Vince Lombardi          Tom Landry
 
This is all from memory, If I made a mistake oh well....

tim
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes KILL the Pack
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:19:54 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Dec27.210558.13853@uc.msc.edu>, bob@uh.msc.edu (Robert Hanson) writes...

>So to all of you out in net land who have been ripping on the Vikings and
>saying that the Packers are the better team in the NFC Central, KISS MY A..!

It is my opinion that Packer fans have behaved much classier than 
Vikings fans during this playoff chase.

When a Packer fan posted a message ripping the Vikings there were AT 
LEAST five messages from Packer fans saying "Hey, knock it off."  The 
Packer fan eventually apologized (more or less).

On the other hand, when a Viking fan ripped the Packers, dozens of 
Vikings fans came to his defense.  One Viking fan even interrupted a 
thread about Sterling Sharpe's chances of setting the single-season 
record for most receptions with a Packer rip.  But there was no 
apology.

In fact, Eric S. even compared me to Hitler for generalizing about 
Vikings fans when I said "Maybe Vikings fans are just naturally 
insecure."  So I apologized for the generalization but that wasn't 
good enough.

The way I got it figured, the score is at least 7-0 in Packer fan's 
favor as far as showing class goes.

JGH
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Re: Vikings Playoff chances/QB
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:03:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


I hate to see the Vikes play the Skins in the first game of
the playoffs.  The Skins are presently having a honey-moon
record at the Metro-Dome...they are 4-0.  
The vikes rather play the Eagles.

Anyway time will tell.

S.H

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cwdenney@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: re: Dallas: Curvin Richards
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:01:07 GMT

Eric@abode.ttank.com writes that "cowboys were dumb for releasing running back
Curvin Richards" 

hey..welcome to the NFL buddy..this isnt the heartbreak hotel..fumbling twice
in the same game and giving up 14 points isnt the way to earn the coach's
respect..

BTW, Dallas is my favorite team!

Go Cowboys...
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From: steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Weber Systems, Brookfield, WI USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:09:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.170701.7522@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>Gary, you just don't give up do you. :-) Tell you what, 
>practically the WHOLE world has the Niners as favorites to
>go all the way despite their winning margin. Check out
>their record, 13-2. Also check out their QBs: Young, Bono,
>and that other guy, hmmm, oh yeah, JOE MONTANA. Hmmm,

Ya right.  And let me guess - he's throwing and not feeling any pain.  Oh,
and he'll be back in a couple of weeks right?

Montana WAS great,  Young is OK,  Bono's a wannabe.

--
Steve Keshen           steve@weber.weber.com  
Weber Systems          The Packers still suck!!!
Brookfield, WI  53005
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From: root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon)
Subject: Re: Green to go full strength against the Pack.
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:35:06 GMT

In article <arika.725048622@cserver> arika@cserver.plexus.COM (Arik Anderson) writes:
>sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>
>>From what I interpreted from Dennis Green's comments today,
>>it seems that the Vikes are going full strength against the
>>Pack, this Sunday.
>
>I wouldn't expect anything less from a team playing a division
>rival. I would lose a lot of respect for a team that didn't
>play to win a game. That would be the mark of a team that
>did not deserve to be in the playoffs.



OK, let's show the Pack all of our cards, so we can be fucked if 
we have to play them in the First round of the playoffs.
I you think Green is gonna show the Pack everything this Sunday,
I've got some oceanfront property in Iowa to sell you.
Green would much rather win in the Playoffs than Sunday.
That comment was for the press..


>
>>IMO, part of the reason might be that the Vikes have not
>>palyed the improved version of the Packers. The Packers
>>have defenitely improved after the first week when the 
>>Vikes beat them in OT.  A game against a good team like
>>the Pack, who are very desperate to win, will of great
>>preparation for the playoffs.
>
>I totally agree. I've loved watching the Packers play well
>the second half of the season, but the Vikings MUST be
>ready to give 110% both on O and D from here on. There
>is no backing your way into the Superbowl.

Is this your way of saying that the vikes "backed in" to the Division title
this Year? Yeh right, the dream is over, the vikes won to get the title,
with no "help" from the pack.

>
>Also, the Vikings must solve their problems on offense.
>This must start with the game against Green Bay.
>
>>Secondly, Green would like to establish who is the real
>>boss in the NFC-Central. A lot of people might get the
>>feeling that the best team in the NFC-Central is the
>>Pack eventhough the Vikes have the Division title, going
>>by the Pack's recent performances and also the lack luster
>>show of the Viking O.  Green would like to put that
>>to rest by a Viking victory.
>
>I can't help but wonder what the press would be saying if
>the past 7 weeks had occurred at the beginning of the season
>rather than the end. The Pack would be 6 and 1, the Vikings
>would be ???. Anyhow, that's not the way it happened.

Dream Dream Dream, DREEEAAAAMMMM...


>Thinking back to the first game of the season, it really
>appeared that neither team wanted to win that game. If we
>through that game out, this game will tell a lot about the
>two teams. 
>
>Let's go Pack!
>-- 

-----------------------
J.R. Ordon
GO VIKES!!!
From: tait@uts.amdahl.com (Tait Kirkham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers have the 'Ladies of Charity'
Date: 22 Dec 92 01:24:11 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <BzGvz4.46@news.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
>dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M) writes:
>
>You're right - you win by the score, not yards allowed.  That's why the
>Bills embarrassed the 49ers at Candlestick while giving up 600 yards in
>total offense.  Also, no game is meaningless.  If the 49ers clinch home
>field, they might play Joe Montana, and it will be funny to see him choke.
>
>About the field goal kicker, at least the Lions got a real kicker.  Cofer
>is awful when any distance is required.  The 49ers should never try a FG
>over 48 yards.  Since Klaus Wilmsmeyer is so bad, he should be able to drop
>the ball into the 10 yard line .  (That is, if BENNIE BLADES does get to him
>first :)  That is, if NO-NAME LONG-SNAPPER manages to get the ball to the 
>punter :)   )

There sure is a lot of talk here about a team that is 5 - 10.  Maybe
you should wait till next year - or just talk about last year.

Tait
-- 
Tait Kirkham            Amdahl Corporation        tait@uts.amdahl.com
                        PO box 3470 m/s 340       {sun,uunet}!amdahl!tait
                        Sunnyvale Ca. 94088       (408) 746 - 8269
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: total yards from scrimmage
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:53:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.193918.20815@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
><1992Dec21.210743.6790@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) said:
>><102876@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>>>Along these lines, I wonder just how much yards (rushing) means 
>>>in the NFL these days.  I heard yesterday that the Seahawks' RB
>>>is approaching 1000 yards.  But how many of these yards are "real"
>>>and how many were given up by an defense after thay had a comfortable
>>>lead?
>>>
>>Not intended as a flame to your question regarding "real" rushing
>>yards. Rushing is rushing and yards passing is yards passing.
>>There are no asterisks next to a RBs totals to differentiate your
>>rationale. OJ Simpson's, Jim Brown's, E. Smith's, T.Thomas's, etc.,
>>are all valid rushing totals regardless of team standings/rankings
>>in the NFL. I also don't think it should matter if they got these
>>yards because of your scenario. 
>
>This is rather silly, Gloria.  Of course it matters.  Ask any defensive
>coordinator in the league if it matters.  If I'm preparing a defensive
>game plan against your team and I just look at the stats they might say
>that your RB got 150 yards in his last game.  Should I immediately plan
>on how to stop this amazing juggernaut of an RB?  Not necessarily.  If
>I examine the facts I might find that those yards were gained after the
>game was well out of hand, the other team was up by 3 TD and was playing
>very deep zone coverage.  Your RB broke a couple of long ones against a
>3 man line with NO LBs.  Big deal.
>
>Satish's question appeared to me to be asking what the yards meant in the
>context of future games and determining if a team has a bonified rushing
>threat or it was just circumstances.  It certainly does matter in those
>cases.
>
>
Ehhhhhh! W-R-O-N-G! Satish's question was mis-interpreted by you.
Satish sent me an e-mail, and if he is around, perhaps he can
explain it to you. :-)  I won't bother to counter-point or to
even agree with your interpretation because it has no bearing on
the initial question. May Santa and his reindeer bring you all
the toys and wishes that you desired. Of course, Santa knows if
you have been naughty or not! :-)
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt)
Subject: Re: HOW BOUT EM!!
Keywords: nowworshipmoranow
Organization: Best lil' ol' Pubnix in Texas
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:41:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.215856.9426@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>(Michael Zimmers) writes:
>>(Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>>
>>> >Well, from the current looks of things, my Aints will be hosting the
>>> >Eagles; and THEN to Candlestick, providing the Vikes/GB don't choke against
>>> >the Skins.
>>
>>>Excuse me, but you forgot the small fact of a game in Dallas before 
>>>you can pack your bags for candlestick park.
>
>....Timbo, that's why I said "providing the Vikes don't choke...."
>
>>Really?  I know we were just through this, but I thought WC1 (which
>>the Saints are virtually assured of) first plays DC3 (Minnesota) and
>>then DC1 (SF).  Dallas would come last for NO.
>>
>>No?
>
>No and NO.  Like I said above, given the CURRENT most likely scenario:
>SF - Div1       NO - WC1
>DA - Div2       PH - WC2
>MN - Div3       WA - WC3
>
>The Saints would HOST the Eagles, Vikes HOST the Skins.  If NO wins,
>THEN they go to Candlestick "providing the Vikes don't choke against the
>Skins."  If the Skins and Saints win, the Saints go to Dallas, the Skins
>go to SF.
>
>Comprende?
>
>--J.J.
>('course we don't have a prayer with Da Bills)


The .signature is unfortunate, but true. After watching the 20-16 loss to the 
Bills, I am going to have to question a few things about the Saints's 
possibilities in the playoffs. Granted, the previous day the Niners clinched
the division and this game was more or less meaningless, but that 2nd half was
a real stinker.   At least it was no longer a 'crucial' game. Only thing that
I can chalk it up to is that Buffalo simply had the NFC West's number this 
season. They went 4-0 against them. 
As for the playoffs:  It looks more and more likely that the first round game
will be against the Eagles. New Orleans lost to them the first game of the 
season, but that doesn't really count for much (I never look at the first game
to indicate what might happen four months later). 
I really preferred this game, even though NO really buried the 'Skins a few 
weeks ago, as the matchups against the Eagles favor the Saints more than the
Skins do, (you can add the fact that Washington seems to know how to win games
in late December to the mix).

Hoping the Saints get it back on track......

Tom H.


-- 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tom Hyatt                                  For the record, I'm a pro-choice     thyat@sdf.lonestar.org                     anti-censorship, publicly schooled   Arlington, TX                              agnostic centrist who supports                                                  capital punishment, lower taxes,      Help! I'm being repressed!  -M.Python     and fiscal responsibility. So sue me.
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Hey Ed Lor, Bills 4-0 vs NFC, one more NFC team to beat
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:41:04 GMT

In article <42811@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> msanfrat@cs.ucsd.edu (Mike Sanfratello) writes:
>BUT you won't...
I probably won't. Learning how to wimp out an argument by claiming "I just
suck you into responding to my tauntings ...."? If I get into arguments,
I sure would have done better than such a half-ass job ...

>I sucked you into responding to my tauntings, you're game Ed;
Really? I sucked you into a dilemma that you can't get out,  while you can
only console yourself that you had lured me into your tauntings ....

>you know, the reason you live for.  
It's better than living for the day the Bills winning a Super Bowl, right?

>And just think, I didn't
>need a bargain-basement stats book, or a CD-ROM of all your past
>posts.  But then again, I have more to do than spend 39 of my 40 hours
>at work responding to pointless, useless, inneffectual verbiage.
Yes, like sobbing "how come my Bills still can't win the Big one ....",
39 hours well spent. 

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Playoff Schedule(was Re: Charger-mania..)
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:58:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8fEF0wa00WDKQFlq8x
	<29DEC92.21524811@vax.clarku.edu>
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 29-Dec-92 RE:
Charger-mania.. htilney@vax.clarku.edu (270)

> Glad to hear it. San Diego has a good, well-balanced team. Hopefully they'll
> have a healthy roster for the playoffs.

> Will they definitely play Miami next if they beat KC? My understanding now
> is that KC will play Pittsburgh with a win, but the Chargers would not.

> HWT


yes.

Pit&SF=#1 seed
Mia&Dal=#2 seed
SD&Min=#3 seed
Buf&NO=#4 seed
Hou&Phi=#5 seed
KC&Was=#6 seed

Pit & SF host the lowest seeded winner of the first round, Miami &
Dallas host the other.

Schedule:
SAT JAN 2:
12:30P EST	Washington @ Minnesota(ABC)
4:00P EST	Kansas City @ San Diego(ABC)

SUN JAN 3:
12:30P EST	Houston @ Buffalo(NBC)
4:00P EST	Philadelphia @ New Orleans(CBS)

SAT JAN 9:
12:30P EST	@Pittsburgh(NBC?)
4:00P EST	@San Francisco(CBS?)

SUN JAN 10:
12:30P EST	@Dallas(CBS?)
4:00P EST	@Miami(NBC?)

If SD beats KC:
SD@Miami
Houston/Buffalo@Pitt

If KC beats SD:
KC@Pitt
Houston/Buffalo@Miami

If Minnesota beats Washington:
Minnesota@Dallas
Phil/NO@SF

If Washington beats Minnesota:
Washington@SF
Phil/NO@Dallas

Good Luck to everyone and their teams!

--Vernon.
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Draft stuff
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:27:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

Since the season is over and since SOME of us don't have anything to do
but sit on our thumbs waiting for next season, would anyone like to take
a stab at what draft prospects will do the most good for their respective
favorite teams?  Here's how I see the first four picks (unfortunately, 
my team traded away their first choice :-( ..

Seattle: Lincoln Kennedy OT, Washington.  Rather than spending another first
	round pick on a QB, they should try to get a better O line and this
	guy will be one of the best soon!

New England: Garrison Hearst, RB, Georgia.  Thgey've already spent a few 1st
	rounders on offensive linesman (Pat Harlow, Eugene Chung) so I think
	they'll probably address the need for a running game.

NY Jets: Reggie Brooks, RB, Notre Dame.  Blair Thomas was a bust, they need
	a running game to take some heat off their rookie QB.

Phoenix: That defensive lineman from 'Bama.  Can't remember his name for the
	life of me.  Anyways, the Cards need a pass rusher and this dude is
	it!

satish nair
ray is gone!
From: hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cowboys :QB problems? Thoughts?
Date: 29 Dec 1992 21:02:56 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: kynok.ucs.ubc.ca

In article <1992Dec29.144258.4776@admin1.memst.edu> jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:
>      I watched the 49ers game Monday night against Detroit. Barry Sanders
>      looked good, he rushed for 100+ yards.  I'm not a Barry Sanders fan,
>      either.  But am curious about the 49ers defensive.  How do you 
>      49er fans think your defensive matchs up with the Cowboys.  Do you think
>      Sanders had a great day or an average day against the 49ers?  How do 
>      you think they'll do against Emmitt Smith?  Do you think he'll run
>      loose through your secondary like Sanders did?

If I remember corrrectly, the ABC MNF guys said during the game that
the 49ers rated "3rd" in the NFL in rush defense and
"27th" in pass defense.

If someone's got the numbers and/or the correct rank, please correct me
if I'm wrong.


-- 

Henry Lee   <hlee@unixg.ubc.ca> // <lee@physics.ubc.ca>
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From: daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao)
Subject: Re: 49er QBs
Originator: daveshao@leland.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 07:41:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.011455.6846@netcom.com> bverreau@netcom.com (stargazer) 
writes about Steve Young:

>I guess some of my uncertainty goes back to
>his BYU days when he had good seasons, but fell short in the bowl games.
>(Contrast this with Montana's legendary comeback in the Cotton Bowl.)

If my memory hasn't failed me, Steve Young did pretty well in his last
bowl game.

One of my most agonizing moments as a fan of the Missouri Tigers was
watching Steve Young lead BYU past Missouri.  Had Eric Drain of the Tigers
not fumbled the ball near the BYU goal-line there would have been no chance
of a comeback, but even then BYU had to drive the length of the field.
The Tigers had BYU pinned deep staring at fourth down, but Young 
completed a bomb.  Near the Missouri goal-line BYU ran a trick play with
Young as a receiver.  A Tiger defender tipped the pass, but Young caught
it anyway and BYU had the victory.

I've always thought that had Missouri beaten
BYU, the polls would not have given BYU the MNC (Mythical National 
Championship) the next year.  So although Young had graduated, he 
had a role in BYU's winning a national championship.  

I also seem to recall that this was Missouri's last appearance in a bowl
game.  Coach Warren Powers, whom Missouri had stolen away from Washington
State, was soon fired as the Tigers sought a coach who could lead them
to the next level.  Their choice was Woody Widenhofer.  He was touted
as the former defensive coordinator of the mighty Pittsburgh Steelers.
I remember the grocery bags of the local supermarket displaying messages 
urging the fans to hop on the Widenhofer wagon.  The Tigers haven't come close 
to winning half of their games since.  So indirectly, Steve Young destroyed
the Missouri Tigers.
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Congrats to the Skins from a Vikings fan
Date: 2 Jan 1993 20:41:22 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

	Subject line says it all. Congrats. Thanks to the Vikings,
	Im still proud of a good winning season.

	ps- Ive got SF in our work pool! GO 49ers!

	Mark
	GO VIKINGS 
-- 
Minnesota Vikings	11-5	NFC Central Division Champions 1992-93!

Salisbury back in the pocket,DRAW to Allen,Allen bursts up the middle,TOUCHDOWN!