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From: mbh@sdphu3.ucsd.edu (Matt Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Need first rifle recommendation (multi-purpose)
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:25:56 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, UCSD
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


I'd like to pick up my first rifle with the intention of learning to hunt
here in California.  From what I've read, deer tend to be at long
distances (out West)  and therefore a flat trajectory is desirable.  What
caliber would rec.hunting readers recommend?

Also, I visit my folks back in Pennsylvania often, and I'd like to do some
deer hunting back there.  I read in a recent post that autoloaders are
illegal for hunting in Pennsylvania.  So, I guess that puts some
limitations on the rifle that I buy, assuming that I want to only get one
rifle.

Two factors are important to me: the rifle's versatility and cost.  I'm on
a student budget, so I'm considering buying a used rifle.  What should I
look for?  Lever action vs. bolt action, caliber, etc... are some of the
things I need to decide about.

Thanks in advance for the help!

					Regards,

					Matt Harrington
From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Pa. Bucks only bow season/turkey season
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:19:17 GMT
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hey, I've got a question that maybe somebody on the newsgroup can answer.
This year, Pennsylvania is extending their archery deer season for
one week (first week in November) to permit a bucks-only early
rut archery season. :-)

However, this conicides with the first week of fall turkey season, and
fall turkey hunters have to wear 250 sq. inches of blaze orange.
Do bowhunters after deer also have to wear blaze during this period?


Ken Whitehead

>>>>---------------->  "Ons shot, quick and clean"
From: robinson@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: Ricochets and BB's
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:18:36 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug31.094316.11851@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, smrtstr!syspb@uu.psi.com (Paul) writes:

[...sad story deleted for brevity...]
> 
> BB's are very dangerous around concrete areas.  A human could have
> been injured just as easily, or a window could have been broken.  If
> I were using lead pellets instead of BB's, it would't have ricochetted 
> and the cat would be ok today.  

While I agree with you about the BBs, I don't agree with you WRT
pellets.  I used to shoot a pellet gun quite a bit as a teenager, I
shot at granite rocks, cement, and various other things with both
pellets and BBs.  Pellets richocette too......

-- 
John Robinson                  Only criminals, tyrants, and cowards have
robinson@ac.dal.ca                 reason to fear the armed, honest citizen.
DOD #0069
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From: brian@pdx.csd.mot.com (Brian Vandewettering)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: 30-06 for woodchucks
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:24:14 GMT
Organization: Motorola CSD, Beaverton, OR
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Aug24.085040.26908@doug.cae.wisc.edu> ce0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Clifford Andrew Erickson) writes:
>
>Hi, I am new to this group and I have a question.  In the great state of
>PA it is illegal to hunt with a semiauto, and this bars my AR-15 as a
>woodchuck gun.

Too bad about that law.  Remember the AR will still work on
Politicians.  You don't even need a permit.  Now there's a sporting
purpose for assault rifles.

>As a result I intend to use a 30-06 bolt gun.  I would like
>to use 110 gr. bullets, but I don't have the time to work up a good
>load.  Does anyone know if there is a commercially availible 30-06 round
>that has a 110 gr. bullet?  

You might want to try the accellerator load by Remington.  It's a
sabbotted (SP?) 55 grain .22 caliber load for the 30-06.

>I don't relish the thought of trying to find
>a woodchuck that has been hit with a 180 gr. bullet.  

I've shot a squirrel with my 30-06 and a 180 gr. bullet with barely
any meat loss.  Granted it was a good hit, just behind the shoulders
with the animal broadside to me.  Remember the heavier bullets are
going to expand LESS than the lighter more fragile bullets.  In
addition they will be traveling slower which will give less
cavitation.

The only disadvantage of the heavier bullet is recoil and a *slightly*
worse trajectory.  On the other hand it gives you good practice with
your hunting load.

>If not, what is
>the light comercially availible 30-06 load?

If the accellerator doesn't work well in your rifle, try one of the
125 grain bullets.  However, expect more explosive results.

>Cliff Erickson

Brian Vandewettering
-- 
"It cannot be presumed that any clause in the Constitution is intended to
be without effect..."

- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: A deal on Archery tackle? and a look from the other side
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:25:24 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Aug25.070103.11393@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
    motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
 
>I picked him for a partner just the way he is.  If your partner doesn't
>support you in pursuing your own pasttimes, then you chose the wrong
>partner.
 
 
Gee, I thought I could only get nagged at home!   ;-)  ;-)
 
 
Actually, my wife does get up at 3:00 am to fix me coffee and breakfast
for my duck hunting, and I usually don't get up until 3:45!  And
since we have a teal season this year, we're finding a babysitter for
our 3 kids (neat trick!), and she is going with me (man I hope the
birds are down here by then....).
 
      ----------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
x005cb@tamvm1.tamu.edu  |  Only 7 more days until the start of
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |           hunting season (in Texas)
(409) 845-8454 (work)   |
From: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu (rec.hunting moderator)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Rec.hunting charter and Adminsitrivia
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:42:51 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

This is a (almost) monthly post describing rec.hunting.


First, rec.hunting is moderated and here is the "official" charter: 

   Charter: rec.hunting is to cover all aspects of hunting excepting the
   moral arguments about the nature of hunting.  Various topics include
   equipment, tactics, regulations, and just about anything else.

Note that all arguments about the morality of hunting will be
rejected.

Most systems automatically send news to the moderator of the group (if
any).  However a few systems don't.  To send posts directly to
rec.hunting, mail them to
 
	hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu.


Second, there is also a mailing list version of the group.  People on
the mailing list receive each day's posts through email.  The posts
are sent in a digest format which means there is one note that
contains all of the posts.  Also, the digest is in standard form and
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know.

To be added to (or removed from) the mailing list, send a note to

	hunting-request@osnome.che.wisc.edu.


Tim Rigg (Moderator of rec.hunting)
From: powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Ducks Unlimited fiasco
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:24:24 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Has the DU Canada headquarters issue been covered in other national
print media and, if so, where and when? I would also like to contact
DU directly and see if I can get info on this as well as a copy of the
Environmental Impact Assessment done on the development. Do they
(either the US or Canada offices) have an Internet address?

Jim Powlesland
Academic Computing Services
University of Calgary
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From: mesrx!web037@uunet.UU.NET (Bill Braden)
Subject: Re: California
Organization: Measurex, Corporation    "The Results Company"
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:31:24 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep1.061901.26239@doug.cae.wisc.edu> cavallar@cyber.net (Mark A Cavallaro) writes:
>
>I am interested in hunting wild pigs in California(southern). Anyone
>knowledgable on habitat, food, habits etc. please post what you know.

I live in Northern California so I am going on hear say but the best S.
Calf hunting for pigs is supposed to be on the Channel Islands.  Santa
Rosa, Catalina and Santa Cruz.  Of course these are all private so you
will need a guide.  I have not heard of any other areas south of 
Paso Robles.  One area that always looked like it would 
harbor pigs is Camp Pendelton, the big Marine base between San Diego and
Orange county.  I believe they allow hunting there at times.

Generaly look for pigs in areas of intermixed oaks and heavy brush.
They will tend to feed on acorns when they are avaliable so fall is
uasually a good time.  In areas were they get hunted heavily they 
don't stray too far from cover during the days so one method of
hunting them is to station hunters outside a brushy area and send some
other hunters into the brush on hands and knees to try to drive them
out.  The "crawlers" uasually take along a hand gun.  Never sounded very
safe to me.

>
>I have not found any literature on the subject.
>

Look for the book "Hunting Wild Boar in California".  I believe the
author was Bob Robb.  I found it at my local Big-5 one day, don't
remember the publisher but if your interested I could dig it up.  This
book covers all the things you are asking about.

>Thanks
>
>Mark Cavallaro


Your welcome and... Happy Hunting!

Bill Braden
bbraden@measurex.com
!uunet!mesrx!bbraden            "Onward Through The Fog"
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Any opinions expressed belong to me not Measurex.
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From: ce0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Clifford Andrew Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: 30-06 for woodchucks
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:25:12 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Hello again;
    Thanks for the help.  I had forgotten about the Accelerators.  They
are manufactured by Remmington.  I ran across an old issue of Guns&Ammo
this afternoon, and they had a summary of all the commercially
manufactured 30-06 ammunition.  It turns out that Winchester make a 110
gr. load.  Thanks again.
Later;
Cliff


Clifford A. Erickson

ce0o@andrew.cmu.edu or Erickson@a.cfr.cmu.edu

Tomahawk : When it absolutly positively has to be destroyed by 10 A.M.
Patriot :  When 10 A.M. just isn't soon enough........
From: ayk@presto.Camex.COM (Andrew Kobayashi)
Subject: Re: A couple of requests and something to think about.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:14:22 EDT

From article <1294@niktow.canisius.edu>, by salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley):
> 
> And finally, something to think about.  A TV series called "Covington Cross"
> will be appearing this fall.  The show's creator called it "'Bonanza' in
> chain mail" in a recent interview.  Like it or not, the mundanes will start
> refering to the SCA as "those people who play at 'Covington Cross'" and I
> think we need to think about how to deal with this.  What should we say at
> demos when it comes up?  Yes, we are?  No, we're not?  Well, sort of?
> If the show becomes popular enough, it might give people the idea to try us
> out.  Is this what we want?  Are we what they might expect?  Opinions?
> 
>                                                        - Dagonell

Sigh.  I haven't come up with any policy, nor am i likely to, but i'll
be watching it in self-defence, just so i'll know what they're talking
about.

		--Kobayashi, (still!) Seneschal of Carolingia
		  (and if this were the worst of my problems, i'd be happy. :-)
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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Subject: Re: Rain gear - was Re: Pennsic in brief
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:01:03 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <3363@creatures.cs.vt.edu> jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter) writes:

>Perhaps one of the spinners/weavers (Ilaine?) could help out here.
>I recall reading that the best grades of linen woven in period were
>substantially _higher_ in thread count than anything modern industrial
>weaving produces.  I suspect that the problem in the case of cotton
>is not that of getting a tight weave by hand, but the difference
>between Egyptian and New World cotton.  (Old World cottons have a 
>much shorter, coarser fibre and are much, much harder to spin; at
>least, so I read.)
	Well, the Egyptions wove linen at around 500 ep in the dynastic
period, and Indians were weaving some pretty incredibly fine cotton in our
period, but repelling water wasn't quite the concern in India that it was
in Europe, so you're right, water repellent cotton is likely oop. For
lightweight rainwear, you might try finding out what was worn in southern
Italy.
		-Ilaine
-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Subduing evil by dancing on a dwarf,
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Nataraja, the lord of Dance, 
                   | 	bestows grace on the world.
ilaine@panix.com   |
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:47:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.714969221.F00006

DP>  From: thorntn@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Duncan Peter G. Thornton)
DP>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
DP>
DP>  any
DP>  worse than the daughter's supposedly real English accent? did most of
DP>  the cast, in fact, graduate from the Kevin Costner School of Lousy
DP>  English Accents? A good half of them didn't sound English at all -
DP>  they sounded like Americans with a speech impediment.)

Our group also recognized most of the players as English/British bit 
players. Methinks you have a mis-conception about English accents milord.

These accents are the modern British/International accents as usually seen 
on their analogues to the Eyewitless News here. *Our* accent is degrading 
theirs, or so they say....  :-)

DP>  - Corwin of Lincoln

Moreach NicMaolain
trifid@agora.rain.com
From: jael@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jael)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Who Won the War?
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:42:45 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Aug21.004756.10634@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> pmw2c@csissun10.ee.Virginia.EDU (Paul Michael Wayner) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.161916.1@idiws1.idi.battelle.org>,
>According to the Marshalls that I talked to the two sides were about
>equal for the various battles, although the Middle was outnumbered in
>archers.
>
>				Conrad Hebenstorm

According to the Marshalls I talked to, the numbers were terribly unequal -
1800 to 800 in the field battle, and equally bad (bad for the Midrealm, 
anyway) in the other battles.

From what I heard, the East did have a much larger number of archers, but the
average number of points made by each archer was greater as well, so they 
would have won those points even if the numbers had been equal.

(I didn't marshall - I just listened to a lot of conversations)


-- 
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| Jael                    |   "One dream, one soul, one prize, one goal,     |
| jael@sage.cc.purdue.edu | One golden glance of what should be." -R. Taylor |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: Allen.Pitts@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Allen Pitts)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA Heraldry and Copyrigh
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:10:00 -0500

My Lady....
Forgive my intrusion, but this is the first that I have heard of
the possibility that the armoury might be copyrighted.  I, for one,
would be most pleased to see this happen with the corporation
itself as the holder.  In this way we may protect our devices from
infringement as much as we avoid infringement on others.  (To this
last part I can attest personally, having submitted variations many
times and still not having any passed).  I would be most interested
in further information on where this currently stands and what
plans are being enacted.
Thank you for your note bringing this possibility to my attention.
In service,
Lord Ailean Mac an Daroch
-> MegaMail v2.1 #0:allen.pitts@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org

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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: safety for marshals (was: Re: Town Battle at the War)
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:20:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.000532.19720@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> awkerr@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Alan Kerr) writes:

>In some heraldry, there are 'stains' which are basically a few
>'natural dye' colors.  

The other heraldic colours were created in the middle ages by aniline and
petrochemical pigments, of course.  \8-)

>One of these is a rusty-orange color (I think
>it's called 'tenne').

>Now, for the rest of this article, I'll use the abreviation "SO", to
>stand for "safety orange".  Now, I'm not sure that I really mean SO,
>but I want a hue that is *bright* enough to be *quickly* recognized
>but not so bright as to be *jarringly* out of place.

As opposed to the muted heraldic "stains", which are not bright at all.

>We get the BOD to allow SO for a *few* devices.  One for field
>noncombatants (marshals, water bearers, field heralds, etc) and a
>second one for (ummmmm???) "semi-combatants".  

You mean, if the SCA Inc. says that safety orange or tennis ball yellow
can be used in heraldry, then it can be used on the field for safety
purposes?  Hardly necessary.  Non-combatants can wear bright colours,
even that lovely safety orange, without the SCA Inc. having to make an
embarassing statement like "black is white", or in this case "OSHA orange
is tenne".

Of course OSHA orange is in use in SCA armoury already.  This would only
add official sanction to it.

Even if such an awful colour needs to be introduced to the field (as optic
yellow already has been at Pennsic for years), there is no need to introduce
it to heraldry.

>So what does the Rialto think of this idea?  Any suggestions? (silly
>me, of **course** there will be suggestions)

Scouts have been using white diamonds for years to say "don't hit me".
Why venture into the world of 1. using safety orange as an heraldic colour
or 2. using safety orange at all, when white diamonds can do the job?

Aryk Nusbacher
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Grand Pennsic
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:22:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.715002416.F00001

MS>  From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
MS>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
MS>  T Archer says:
MS>  I still don't have it clear why the Pensic War has suddenly gained
MS>  a politically correct name.

MS>  Don't expect the Pennsic Mistake to be repeated.  I'm sure hoping it
MS>  won't be.
MS>
MS>     Tibor

Considering the *reasons* for the "mistake", fighters taking the "War" 
aspect too seriously *last* year, and mounting injuries...perhaps the 
majesties can get away with just *threatening* to make it into a 
Fair/Tourney next time.

However, the cause *was* sufficient.

Moreach NicMaolain
email to:trifid@agora.rain.com 
 
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From: rday@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E Day)
Subject: Simi-combatants(Re: safety for marshals (was: Re: Town Battle at the 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:39:19 GMT

In article <Bu159J.Dv0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> tbarnes@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (
thomas wrentmore barnes) writes:
>   At Pennsic, at least over the last couple of years, the only battle
>where "semi-combatants" were allowed was the woods battle, where scouts
>were allowed. Anyone else was either a fighter or a non-fighter.
>

I beg to differ, until this year, there were no restrictions on the the of
"scouts" in any of the battles. His Grace Talymar _had_ been using a scout in
our household as a banner bearer for the previous 12 years. This year, they
were no longer allowed to carry a banner, nor to particapate in any battle
other than the woods.
-- 
If the price that I must pay to obtain my *  Robert E. Day/Syr Otto von    *
freedom, is to acknowledge that the Gov-  *  Schwartzkatz, Shire Mugmort   *
ernmet was granted the power to infringe  *  Barony Middle Marches,        *
on them, then I am not free. Paul Anderson*  Middle Kingdom                *
From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: two threads became one
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:59:22 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

Lordship Sgt. James D'Orleans 
> Given that we now have been reminded that a consort must be of the 
> opposite sex and a member in good standing and ... that we have at least 
> 2 squires who are members of the animal kingdom. ( 1 dog & 1 cat that I 
> know of).  At least one of which has a SCA membership. What are the 
> requirements for Species????      GRINNNN......

In AEthelmearc, the potential ruler and consort must each have submitted a

Since the College of Arms has the rule that only humans may submit armory,
this effectively eliminates our four-footed friends from the throne (Unless,
of course, you've made it into one of William Blackfox's cartoons.) ;-) ;-)

                                                       - Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Disclaimer  : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029

THE LAST THREE WINNERS OF AETHELMEARC CORONET TOURNEY HAVE BEEN...
_A_riel       fighting for the wife of Sir Raimund  of Rhydderich Hael
_B_ear        fighting for the wife of Sir Ogami    of Rhydderich Hael
_C_hristopher fighting for the wife of Sir Carthalo of Rhydderich Hael
  "Hello? Sir Bedawyr? This is _D_agonell.  If you're not fighting for your
   wife Lena in the next Coronet Tourney, I have a proposition for you ..."
From: tamela@equinox.unr.edu (Tamela Germano)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: REQUEST for Roman Clothing Sources-- Smithsonian request
Keywords: honor
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:05:47 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada Reno

I think that the following books will help you in your quest for 
information.

ROMAN LONDON, Peter Marsden, Thames and Hudson, Inc, NY,NY, 1981
THE ARMY OF THE CAESARS, Michael Grant, Charles Scribner's Sons
NY,NY, 1974

THE ROMAN ARMY, Peter Connolly,Purnell & Sons Ltd, Paulton, England, 1975
#43 and #45 in the Men-at Arms series from Osprey Publishing, London England
and last but not least:

THE ROMAN LEGIONS RECREATED IN COLOUR PHOTOGRAPHS, Daniel Peterson, Windrow
& Green Ltd, 5 Gerrard St., London W1V 7LJ England.

The last title is brand spanking new, and a set of articles on the subject is
in the last three issues of MILITARY ILLUSTRATED out of England. Best of luck,

Dino Germano aka Vincenzo di Calabria aka Guido 
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