From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Fundamentalists and the clitoris
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
	<1992Nov12.035614.14567@funlwb.enet.dec.com>
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:09:59

In article <1992Nov12.035614.14567@funlwb.enet.dec.com>
sunderl@obvius.stl.dec.com (Mike Sunderland) writes: 

   What a load of dingo's kidneys!!!!  If you weren't so bloody
   defensive you might be able to have enough sense to see how silly
   it is to make such gross generalisations. I don't know much about
   the 'religious right' because I don't live in the good ol' USofA,
   but I do know a lot of people who would share the views that you
   label "Abstenance based". I have never met anyone who would come
   even close to the kind of stupidity you quote above.

Lucky you, not to have any idea of what the US religious right is up
to, or what they really think about sex.

   Shit! Of course God created sexual pleasure for both women and men.

Not according to the fundies (aka religious right).    

   Its the age old trick of stiring up hatred and hysteria by painting
   your "enemy" as blacker than black. Let's make a Manuel Noriega out
   of all the people who don't agree with us. Let's make them all look
   like Saddam Hussein.  Yeah! Let's saddamise them all!!

Ostrich head-in-the-sand attitude, hysterical demonization of the
enemy, or a realistic appraisal of the current political situation?
It's easy to figure out --- look at who wins the political battles.
When the happy day comes that the religious right of the US is howling
alone on the lunatic fringe of the political landscape, able no longer to
disguise exactly what they want to do to this country by deluding the
clueless, I'll stop worrying about them.

Until then, I'll keep a sharp eye on those fascists.  BTW, comparing
these vipers to tin-horn dictators like Hussein or Noriega is a waste
of keystrokes.  The rise of Hitler in the Weimar republic is by far
the most relevant comparison.

   If you want to be stereo-typed and caricatured then go right ahead
   and keep on doing what your doing now, because it makes you sound
   like a raving bloody loony.  If you want to foster some
   understanding and honesty, then be ready to listen and be listened
   to. 

Is someone actually paranoid if "they" are really out to get him?  How
do you know what US fundies are like?  I eagerly await a recitation of
your credentials.  "It sounds crazy" simply isn't good enough.  The
"It sounds crazy, it can't be real" attitude has led to complacency
and unpleasant defeats at the polls.

For instance, when do you think the last "monkey trial" (court case
over inclusion of evolution in public school curriculum) happened in
the US?

The Overton case was decided in 1982 (no, I did not get the date
wrong).  Another related case was decided shortly thereafter.  In the
Overton case, a state law mandating equal time for "scientific
creationism" and evolution in biology classes was struck down.

In case you haven't heard of "scientific creationism", that is what
the religious right calls their brand of biblical literalism:  The
Earth was created in 4004BC, there really was a Flood (did you know
these loons write papers about "flood geology" in an attempt to
explain away basic geological facts to fit their biblical timetable),
etc., etc., ad infinitum.

   And BTW, isn't there a lot more to life than seeking
   pleasurable experiences?  

Do what you will with your life.  But do you actually presume to judge
what other people do with their lives when such activities don't
affect you?  If so, you'd fit right in with the religious right, right
here in the good ol' USofA.

- Bob
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