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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:59:07 GMT

In article <9OCT199210043886@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.155754.13974@infonode.ingr.com>, palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Christopher M. Palmer) writes...
>> 
>>I think the problem with Barbie saying "Math class is hard" is that if
>>you push the button again, she's likely to say "Lets go to the mall"
>>or "Lets order pizza."  1/2 :-)
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>What? Order pizza and have a figure like she has?  8-)
>
>                                Patti Twigg
 
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jjd interpretation of Clare getting ahold of this post:
>>I think the problem with Barbie saying "Math class is hard" is that if
>>you push the button again, she's likely to say "Lets go to the mall"
>>or "Lets order pizza."  1/2 :-)

Why you macho stereotypical rambo watching pig. How dare you insinuate
women only belong at the mall to get pizza ingrediants to get back
into the kitchen barefoot and pregnant to feed your fat beer swilling
friends. Its people like you that have enslaved women for hundreds
nay thousands of years. I am going to organize a protest outside your
house until you join us and apologize to every women you ever meet
in your life. "Lets order pizza" will be the battle cry that rocks the
very foundation of society as we know it.

jjd interpretation of Clare getting ahold of this post:
>What? Order pizza and have a figure like she has?  8-)
 
How dare you insinuate women have the unreal body type that men
have tried to imply is normal, merely to enslave women in a downward
spiralling gesture of servitude. Everyone knows if Barbie where real
with her measurments she would break her spine merely bending over.
Stop promoting the sexual madison avenue hype and join us in taken
what is rightfully ours. Marching to Victoria tra la la.......

 
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From: hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RE: Far apart in age
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:06:27 GMT
Reply-To: hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies CAD/CAM Division

Sorry, I tried to e-mail, but it bounced.

My youngest brother and I were 13 1/2 years apart.  I am actually much closer
relationship wise with Curtis (the one who is 13 1/2 years younger) than I
am with Jason (4 1/2 years younger).  I pretty much "raised" Curtis.  My
parents always kid around that they walked in from the hospital and handed
him to me and that was it.  I was already babysitting alot, and Curtis was
no exception.  My parents are both professors so they always were teaching
night courses....I just naturally babysit which I loved!!.

Curtis is now a teenager (14) and he still loves to come stay with us for a
few weeks in the summer, spring breaks, etc.  When he was 3-4, he used to
come stay with me in the dorm at college.  Everyone loved the little kid in
the sleeper padding up and down the halls...I loved having him visit.

Good luck to you...

Kirsten Werne
Mom to Alexander, 16 months and ??? due 4/9/93
  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@csc.afit.af.mil (Michele Gaudreault, 54192)
Subject: Happiness is...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: mgaudrea@csc.afit.af.mil
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology - WPAFB, OH, USA
Distribution:  na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:26:09 GMT

when your 3 yr old isn't eating her breakfast because she's too busy 
playing with her 4 mo old sister.

(Actually, she was trying to teach her how to play with a certain toy.  Of 
course, Liana was only interested in trying to get into her mouth!)

Michele
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:46:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.151801.28427@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.223842.5451@jetsun.weitek.COM> nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
>>Ditto for little girls. My father taught me to box when I was very small.
>>I was undersized for my age, and a fifth grade bully started to bother me
>>in early second grade. One day he grabbed for me and I hit him hard in the
>>stomach, twice. He never bothered me again, but the school was angry with
>>ME! :-)
>
>Good for you.
>As has been pointed out to me on email the first time 22month old
>Dylan comes home with a bloody nose he'll be in karate the next day. 

Agreed.  There is something I want to tell all parents of very young
children who have not yet experienced what goes through you when some
other kid makes them bleed.

You will get very, VERY angry.  Your parental instincts will go into
overdrive and you will want to do agressively incorrect things to
the offending child.  You may consider strangulation but you will not
choose this route lest someone you don't feel is as qualified as you
raise your child while you make license plates.

You may hear foreign-sounding things come out of your mouth.  Here is
an example:  "Bobby, if that kid ever comes NEAR you I want you to
make him so sorry he ever touched you that he wimpers and poops his
pants.  Do you hear me???? (getting down on your knees, face-to-face with
your child)  Here.  Make a fist.  See my nose?  This is where it hurts
most to get hit.  Go ahead.  Try it."

Trust me.

-Nance

-- 
Nance Colucci  *^*^*^*^*^*    o__    *^*^*^*^*  |  Work that body!
att!ihlpk!colucci            _.>/               | Stay fit for life.
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From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: Re: Far apart in age
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:56:58 GMT

> Not to mention the extra benefit from a prental point of view:  being a
> teenager and having a baby sibling does wonders for awreness and birth
> control.  When most girls are thinking how cute and adorable babies
> are, and how they'd like to have one, your daughter understands the
> work and responsibility it takes to do it right.
> 
> -Shirl

I agree that have a baby sibling would raise awareness and even help the
teenager develop healthy attitudes toward sex. She would have to face the
fact that her parents HAVE sex (I know I doubted my parents did :))

I disagree that most girls think babies are cute and adorable and think
they'd like to have one. You've really got teenage girls stereotyped on that
one. All the teenaged girls I knew a decade ago when I was one thought about
babies the same way the teenaged boys did: they're a burden, a pain, to be
avoided at all costs until after college, marriage, beginning a career etc.

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com (Gerald Ruderman)
Subject: Re: Getting pregnant while nursing
Organization: Rational Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:34:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.172728.4036@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade) writes:

>Well, actually it is possible to nurse full-time & have your
>period start up 4 weeks after the birth date. (BOO!)  It happened
>to me.  Ah well, at least I have no illusions about nursing
>providing birth control.

One of the few places I butt in beyond the realm of good taste is to remind 
new parents that nursing is not a form of birth control. Amazing number of 
people think it is.

Gerald Ruderman                                   geraldr@ratsys.com
From: hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Meconium in Waters (was Re: Birth Story & moving with a newborn)Keywords:
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:23:25 GMT
Reply-To: hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies CAD/CAM Division

I've often wondered what midwives do if the water *isn't* clear, which was
the case for me with baby #3.  He was overdue and had pooped in the amniotic
fluid, so my water was greenish-black.  My OB just said he would have to 
suction him extra good when he finally made his way out but before he was 
"allowed" to breath.  This didn't seem to be a "big problem".  But the OB 
of a friend of mine did an immediate caesarean on her because of this (SHE 
says that was his only reason for doing a caesarean.

So what do midwives say about this?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I do not have a midwife, but I just asked my OB about this last visit. 
Background, my first child was overdue (10 days), I was in the hospital with
high blood pressure, and when my waters broke, there was meconium. 

Anyway, I was asking my doctor how common this is etc so I have an idea of
what I am for this time around.  My doctor said that there are 3 signs that
a baby may have problems. One, overdue, two, meconium in the waters, and
three, if the baby's heart rate slows (I guess meaning that the baby is
stressed...couldn't this also be shown by a non-stress test...I didn't ask
this).  Anyway, my baby only showed 2 of the 3, but I guess he was monitored
very closely for the third just in case.  If all three are present, my
doctor's do a cesarean deliver.

I also asked how often meconium is passed in utero...only 5% of the time!  I 
was suprised.

I have kind of rambled, but I hope this helps.

Kirsten
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:09:11 GMT
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My dad swears that he knew a girl in high school whose name was "Unita Bath."
That's cruel!

Cindy 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:34:03 GMT

In article <91687@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:

>But I agree with your second statement.  Wouldn't it be great if they came
>out with "PC Barbie"?  She could say things like:
>...
>"Ban censorship!"

Actually, censorship is extremely PC.  Just ask Andrea Dworkin.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: wendy@carson.u.washington.edu (Wendy Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Early pregnancy problems: ACIDITY ???
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:55:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct8.195523.1604
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <19921008110604SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) writes:
>>in article: <1992Oct8.023930.15976@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Jimmy writes;
>>
>>Hi,
>>My wife is about 2 months pregnant. She has nausea all day; which
>>I guess is normal. However, lately she has been suffering from
>>all-day stomach acidity. Is this a usual complaint as well ? If yes,
>>any suggested solutions ?
>>Thanks, 
>>Jimmy
>>--
>>jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
> 
>I will e-mail also, but thought some others might benefit from this...
>During my pregnancy with Melissa, I was *always* nauseous.  Awful.
>My ob/gyn recommended Tums (or Rolaids).  He said there was no risk
>as it was only antacid, and even contained some beneficial calcium.
>I went through 2-1/2 large bottles of Tums by the time she was born
>(& she was even early!)  Fruit-flavored Tums were the best, and they
>really did help to relieve the nausea.  As always, check with your
>doctor.
>Good luck!
>TAMARA

 Just another viewpoint-

  I've had constant heartburn since week 14 (I'm now at week 30). My doctor 
told me that either Tums or Mylanta were fine. I've gone thru almost 2
large bottles of Tums already! I find the fruit-flavored ones make me
nauseated but I can eat the original flavor ones with no problem....
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Flu Shot while Pregnant???
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:24:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
>Message-ID: <1992Oct8.131118.20859@nynexst.com>
>
>  Does someone know if it is okay to get a flu shot
>  made with chicken egg while pregnant?  I have until
>  tomorrow (Friday) to get a free flu shot at work.
>  I'm asking the net since neither my husband nor
>  midwife could give me a definitive answer.  They
>  both said they didn't know and therefore I shouldn't
>  get it.  I do not have any allergy to chicken egg
>  and had one last year.  I also have an asthmatic
>  condition which is why I want to get the flu shot
>  to avoid gettting the flu and exacerbating any
>  asthma I may have.  Please get back to me soon.
>
>  Thanks a lot,  Clare
>
 
Hello, Clare.  My ob/gyn said "no" last time, and my health care
center here at work said the same.  I didn't even ask this time.
They may be guessing (like you said, if you don't know, "don't),
but I haven't heard anyone say "yes" yet.  Good luck.  Stay healthy!
TAMARA
From: yarnot@csusac.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:53:23 GMT
Organization: Moi?

My dentist was Dr. Hoel.

(And I want to thank him, again, posthumously this time.)  Back when I was 11
with such awful crooked teeth, it Wasn't Done to treat children with ortho-
donture till all the permanent teeth were in.  All I wanted for my birthday
and for Christmas was to be able to smile.... and he did it.  Not only did he
do it, he did it for cost (about $100 for the casting and the braces, and we
are talking a year and a half) because he knew how poor we were (he *didn't*
know that I had a Veteran's Administration stipend that would have covered
a medical expense like that, though it wouldn't cover frivolous things like the
roof over our head.)  I went in every Saturday and had the braces tightened.
When he was done, he paraded me around the office, showing everyone the "before"
cast and the "after" little girl ("Smile, Janna!")
 
They're still crooked in back, and I really should go in for what is known
nowadays as "Phase II".  But Dr. Hoel changed my life.  The smile may not
be Hollywood perfect, but it's straight and it's mine, and I don't mind
doing it.  For that act of kindness, he should have gone straight to Heaven, 
with seraphim bowing him in.  I hope it's so.

-- 
---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | A lifetime of smirking behind your hand
                              | is a lot better than a few seconds of
                              | triumph.
CSUS depends on my every word.              Kinsella, _Box Socials_
From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:32:15 GMT
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


This can of course be extended to sets of siblings.

For example, there's Garrison Keillor's story about the man who named his
three daughters Shirley, Goodness and Mercy.

On the other hand my mother really did go to school with three sisters
named Faith, Hope and Charity.

N
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: HYPOCRISY of Public School Prayer
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:53:38 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct15.190034.26321@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.121240.9105@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>, eaton@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bob Eaton x3478) writes:
>> > I mean, what is there to pray about anyway.... there certainly
>> > aren't any aggressive bullies in public schools, we've
>> > proven that beyond a shadow of doubt (they are all myth right :-)
>> > Drugs, guns, STDs, pregnancy, no sweat.  Climbing academic
>> > scores, the USA has the top students in the world right!
>> 
>> This reminds me of a (subversive Christian :-) cartoon that showed in one 
>> schoolroom a bunch of obvious drug heads hanging (and making) out, and in 
>> another one some students trying to have a Bible study.
>> 
>> The Principle and teacher were examining the situation and exclaiming that, 
>> "We got to stop this [Bible study] right now!!!"
>> 
>> Aren't we silly?

>Nope.  Tell me, whose Bible was it?  Would a Jewish parent approve of
>it?  How about a Moslem parent?  Maybe the school is in Salt Lake City,
>and it's the Book of Mormon.  Would most mainstream Protestant parents
>approve?  I'm not saying they'd prefer drug users (though I could
>insert some comments here about ritual use of peyote by some Native
>American tribes -- and their religion is as valid as any other), but
>they're certainly not going to like some kinds of ``Bible study''.
[part deleted]
>I'm sure some fingers are crawling towards the ``Followup'' keys right
>about now, so that they can explain how it's going to be ``voluntary''
>prayer, Bible study, etc.  Before you do -- might I suggest that you
>turn to the thread about bullies, and see how often it's the children
>who are different who are picked on?  We all want our children to stand
>up for what is right (for our own definition of ``right'', of course)
>-- but how many kids are going to act ``different'' deliberately,
>especially if they're already having trouble with their classmates?

Thank you, thank you. When I was in Kindergarten there was still prayer
in the public schools, and I hated myself for praying along but I didn't
want to be treated like the Jewish kids were.


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Insurance for Kids (was Re: When did you feel "grown-up")
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:44:46 GMT
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 09-Oct-92 in Re: When did you feel "grow..
user Paula Burch@cmb.bcm.tmc. writes:
>... But, I'm curious--why would an infant need to have 
>life insurance? Am I skipping doing something I ought to?

I though my answer to Paula's question might be of general interest:

The policies we have on our kids do a couple of things:

If, God forbid, they should die, the money would be there to cover
funeral expenses.  I helped my sister bury her husband & was appalled by
the costs involved.  Rather than think/worry about it, at least we know
the money is there to do what might need to be done.

If, God forbid, they should become uninsurable later in life (e.g. heart
disease, severe diabetes, etc), these policies cannot be terminated by
the insurance company.  I don't know if the level can be increased, but
at least there will be something if it's needed.  My father (62 yrs old)
has heart disease & has not been able to get what he considers an
adequate level of insurance because of his health condition.

If, God willing, all goes well, the policies can be cashed in for
education or even used later as retirement benefits.  60 years of
premiums REALLY adds up!  And, after a certain time (10 years, 15? I
don't remember the details that clearly), the dividends issued on the
policy become sufficient to cover the annual premium, so there's not
much financial burden to do this.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Re:  Flu Shot while Pregnant???
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 13:58:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.131118.20859@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>  Does someone know if it is okay to get a flu shot
>  made with chicken egg while pregnant?  I have until
>  tomorrow (Friday) to get a free flu shot at work.
>  I'm asking the net since neither my husband nor
>  midwife could give me a definitive answer.  They
>  both said they didn't know and therefore I shouldn't
>  get it.  I do not have any allergy to chicken egg
>  and had one last year.  I also have an asthmatic
>  condition which is why I want to get the flu shot
>  to avoid gettting the flu and exacerbating any
>  asthma I may have.  Please get back to me soon.
>
>  Thanks a lot,  Clare
>

I was curious about this because I know it's the first
question they ask when you get a flu shot (unless you're
a male :-)).  I just called MedeMerge (an UrgentCare type
of place where they have doctors and you can go anytime
all day, every day with no appointment), and the nurse
told me that no doctor should administer a flu shot to
any pregnant woman because it's a live vaccine that they're
putting into your body.

There you have it. An bonafide official medical opinion
from New Jersey. Aren't you excited.  :-)
---
Jackie Brady/jackie8@cc.bellcore.com/908-699-5458 (insert usual disclaimer)
(do not reply to the address in "From:" section. Use id in .sig to reply)
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From: gentry@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Tim Gentry)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:35:24 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle


I'm quite sure that this has achieved the status of urban legend, but my
grandmother _really_did_ attend school with two sisters, Ima and Ura Hogg.

There are two brothers who lived in my home town several years back.  Their
last name was "Storms", and they were named "North American" and "South
American".  Really.  I mean it.  :-)

My mother is a school librarian, so she has seen more than her fair share
of "cruel" names.  One of her favorites would have belonged to two "in-love"
fourth graders, Charlie Bungabong and Stacy Opiopio.  Just imagine the
hyphanated last name of THAT couple.  But my all time favorite from her
school had to belong to the poor, unsuspecting third grader named:

                             Pete Sepai

Parents really can be cruel...

   -Tim
   gentry@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
-- 
    Tim Gentry   Boeing Computer Services   gentry@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
 This posting in no way officially represents the opinions of Boeing, Boeing
     Computer Services -- or possibly even the poster, for that matter.
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