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From: fry@chilli.reo.dec.com (Brent Fry [ISVG Europe])
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Subject: FOR SALE: Quad FM4
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:48:37 GMT
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I have a Quad FM4 (stereo receiver) circa 1986, in classic grey, mint
condition no scratches.  British buttons labelled BBC1..4, ILR, etc
can surely be changed to whatever is needed (I'll help ya on that
one, if needed).  This adds up to 7 pre-set channels.

Price: #225 firm.  I am told it's #400 these days, and still very
       much alive as a Quad product.

Hey, anti-digital freaks, this model has a real lovely rotary tuner
knob (although digital readout).  God how I hate those button tuners
on most "Lights of Tokyo" rigs.

I need to have Long-Wave AM, to get French from across the channel, so
relunctant sale.

It's best if you already have Quad equipment, since the output is
lower than "standard", but sound quality is, of course, great.  I
don't have Quad amps, and it works fine for me.

It's switchable 110v/220v, and has the DIN connector for output.

A U.K. sale would be easier, but if one of you
Americans/Elsewherefolks wants it, it weighs about 2.5 kilos and I
guess I could ship at buyer's expense.

Brent



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From: dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: Buying an amp
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:36:34 GMT
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In <1992Oct9.095337.16194@husc3.harvard.edu> on@husc10.harvard.edu (Ahmad On) writes:

>I'm in the market for a system right now and I've pretty much made up my
>mind on which CD player and spekers I'm going to purchase-- the Rotel 965
>CD player and Mission Cyrus 780 speakers.  My dorm room is quite small so
>I have to settle for very small speakers which can be placed flush on the
>wall (hence the 780s) and the Rotel is by far the best CD player I've heard
>in its price range.

>Choosing the amplifier has been a much tougher decision though.  The inte-
>grated amps that I have shorlisted are:
>	1. Cyrus II
>	2. Audiolab 8000A
>	3. Pioneer A-400 (which I can get through a friend in the UK)

...(etc.)...

>Suggestions, anyone?

>Thank you for your help,

>Ahmad Z. Che On
>on@husc.harvard.edu 

Well, since you asked...
GO FOR THE PIONEER!  (Note that this is a very strong opinion; I'm not trying
to force you or anything.)

Okay, here's my Pioneer story:
I went to a Ham Radio Fest just a few days before I left for college this year.
I'm not an operator; I was going with friends.  I found a BIG BIG BIG BULKY
HEAVY Pioneer amp for sale (out of the back of an old Chevy pickup...!) that's
probably about ten years old for $100.  I and my family have had good luck with
Pioneer over the years, so I decided to get it.  I'll be honest, I ended up
spending $70 more to get it fixed, but the only problem was bad soldering
connections; I'm betting they were just old.  

But the performance is AWESOME.  This is from the good 'ol days when amps had
POWER.  It has four SETS of spkr outputs (4 pairs=8spks.) and can run at either
200 X 2 or 100 X 4 watts/channel (approx.).  And it really pumps out the power.
Anything you get today is going to be a lot weaker on power, but it will still
be very good quality and could last you over ten years.

You also mentioned spkrs.  You said you had already pretty much made up your
mind.  I don't know if you'd want to do this, but this is what I did: I bought
Ultimate's HB10 (couldn't find the HB12) kick box.  I can put it in my car 
_and_  in my dorm room.  (I'm in what I believe are the smallest dorm rooms at
Iowa State.)  It's a hard wood box (carpeted, of course), so you can put it
just about anywhere and use it as furniture--stack stuff on it, use it for a 
foot rest, whatever.  And that's pretty much what you need in a dorm room.  
And it can handle the power from my amp, so they sound awesome together.

Well, that's my 0.02.  Whatever you choose, good luck!
From: JWB@SLACVM.SLAC.Stanford.EDU
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Subject: Neutrik XLR Connectors
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Newark lists them in there latest catalog, No.112 on page 739.
Their Chicago phone number is (312) 792-8233. They can get you
in touch with a branch in your area.
     
 Hope this helps.
John Beach
From: on@husc10.harvard.edu (Ahmad On)
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Subject: Buying an amp
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:53:36 EDT
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I'm in the market for a system right now and I've pretty much made up my
mind on which CD player and spekers I'm going to purchase-- the Rotel 965
CD player and Mission Cyrus 780 speakers.  My dorm room is quite small so
I have to settle for very small speakers which can be placed flush on the
wall (hence the 780s) and the Rotel is by far the best CD player I've heard
in its price range.

Choosing the amplifier has been a much tougher decision though.  The inte-
grated amps that I have shorlisted are:
	1. Cyrus II
	2. Audiolab 8000A
	3. Pioneer A-400 (which I can get through a friend in the UK)

The question that I have is: I've heard a lot of good things about the
Adcom 535 power amp.  I could save a lot of money by buying American and
I need to know which pre=amplifiers in the same price range ($350-$500)
can complement the 535 nicely.  I have looked at the Adcom preamp/tuner
and I don't like since it has way too many features.  I would prefer
something that's a little more minimalist.

I know that I could just hook up my CD player direct to the 535 but I
intend on adding a cassette deck (Nakamichi CassetteDeck 2) in the near
future (or maybe even a DCC deck).

Suggestions, anyone?



Thank you for your help,

Ahmad Z. Che On
on@husc.harvard.edu
From: c.oneill@trl.oz.au (Chris O'Neill)
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Subject: Re: tubed cd players
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:19:17 GMT
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>      I was in an audio store the other day and saw Carver's 490t cd player.
>For reasons I do not pretend to know there are two vacuum tubes in this cd
>player.  If I remember correctly they were asking $675 for this player.  I
>did not have much time (or money!) so I could not give it a listen.
>     Does adding vacuum tubes to a cd player make a better player?  Are >there
other brands of vacuum tube cd players?  What do they cost?
>     I saw the spec. sheet for that tubed player and it had a THD of .6%. 
>That seems kind of high.

This is OK for a tube circuit, unlike a semiconductor circuit where THD has to
be far less to sound as good. There is something special about the harmonic
structure of tube amp distortion that makes it far more acceptable than the
harmonic structure of semiconductor amp distortion (and it's not just even
harmonic distortion vs odd harmonic distortion).

Chris O'Neill
Telecom Australia Research Labs
From: bruce@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Bruce Sams)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: new QUAD gear = happy camper!
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:55:29 GMT
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Several weeks ago I wrote to this newsgroup asking for opinions
about QUAD gear.  I got a lots of helpful replies, all of which said
that QUAD gear is very reliable and has no problems with transport.
With that in mind, and after listening to a lot of it, I jumped and
bought a QUAD 606 amplifier and 44 preamp pair.  They sound wonderful
with my Spendor ls3/5a speakers.  Such an improvement over my previous
amps (Dynaco Mk VI) that its hard to believe I'm even hearing the same
music.  The sound is MUCH more detailed and open, but still quite sweet.
The bass is taught and solid rather than soft and flabby as with the Dynacos.
In all, I'm a very happy camper, and would recommend this equipment to
anyone.

BTW, does anyone out there want to sell a QUAD FM4 reciever?  I'd like to
complete the set of components.

Thanks,

Bruce Sams
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Subject: Re: tubed cd players
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:31:34 GMT
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It is very interesting that you bring up this subject at this time, as
I have just spend quite awhile evaluating the 490t for use with my sytem.
	The particular reason that Carver claims for replacing the solid
state output stage on the 490 with a pair of tubes in the 490t is the 
same reason that I was interested.  I own a NAD 1300 pre and an adcom 535
amp along with a pair of B&W dm 330 speakers.  The speakers are exceptionally
"hot", which helps with the imaging, but the over-clarity can at times be
very hard to listed to, particallary with older recordings that are a bit airy.
Even the new Enya disc was painfull to listen to and needed the 16k-20k range
equalized down.  I don't like equalizing things.  Makes me feel like I am 
modifying an exceptionally imperfect system, which it is not.  A remedy for
this problem has always been to replace the Adcom with a comperable tube amp,
such as a lower priced McIntosh, yet that was out of my range, and the weak
link was my CD player, not the amp. (it was a jvc changer).
	Tubes have a generalized effect on the system of sweetening the sound
in such a way as to reduce the "digital" harshness often associated with CDs.
The 490t was a solution that definetely bared a look because it seemed to be
just the package.  Further evaluation led to some more insight though.
	All five 490t's at the place I wanted to purchase them from were
broken.  All 5 had different probs.  Not only that, but the transport was
sub-par.  The Sony cdp-89 ES was a solution that worked, as the DSP can cure
the harshness, can be switched off, and the transport is exceptional.
same price range...

I hope this helps!

chris nolke at Univ. Ak Fairbanks
From: jreiser@skidmore.EDU (jason reiser)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: Is AUDIO-CONTROL still in business?
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 01:39:36 GMT
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Yes, Audio Control is in business
They are at...

22410 70th Ave. W. 
Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043
tel. (206) 775-8461
fax. (206) 778-3166

				- Jason
jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu
From: daniel@netcom.com (Sam Daniel)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: Vandersteen 2CE power handling question
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:33:44 GMT
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ahchan@rd.hydro.on.ca (Arthur Chan) writes:

>I am using a Adcom 555 (200W/ch) to drive the 2Ces.  So far I have no
>problem.  However, it seems to me that I started to listen to music at a high
>level than I used to (I was using a pair of Mission 770s).  This is because the
>music from these speakers are more musical and clean than the Missions.  May
>be there is a danger of over doing it.  Anyway, I have yet to cause the light
>(the distortion light) to come on.

I suspect that by the time the distortion light starts to flicker on
your amp, your speakers will already be toasted.

I've never gotten the volume control past the 11:00 position with my
555II and 2CIs.  There's no sign of strain from the speakers; I just
can't stand to be in the room if I turn it up any higher... :-)

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From: bilver!bill@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Bill Vermillion)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: "Ultimate" headphones
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:11:07 GMT
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In article <PHILG.92Oct5205147@zug.ai.mit.edu> philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu writes:
>
>In article <5796@osc.COM> osc!dk@amd.com (Dan Koren) writes:

>   > Not only are these not wireless, they require transformer boxes to step 
>   > up amplifier voltages. 

>   This is incorrect. The Stax and Grado use tube amps to provide correct
>   voltage and impedance matching, as well as polarizing voltage for the
>   electrostatic membranes in the case of the Stax. Any transformer would
>   probably degrade the sound.

Stax has at least 3 basic adaptors (with variants within that range).

One is nothing more than a power supply to give polarizing voltage, and
a transformer to couple the amplifier output to the headphones.

They have a solid-state amp that takes line inputs and does the
biasing, and a tube amp that does the same.

>Only the most expensive Stax use a direct drive amp as I recall.

Lambda-Pro3 comes with solid state amp - about $1200, and the Signature
comes with Tube amps - about $2000.

And you can mix and match if you'd like.   

>My
>SRD-6 Stax "adaptor" for my Stax electrostatic headphones (SR-5) is a
>transformer that ups amplifier voltage to a few thousand volts plus
>something like a 1000V DC power supply to bias the membrane.

You are just a 'bit' high on the voltages there.  The difference
between the Lambda and the Lambda-Pro is the biasing voltages.  (I
don't know what they are on the Gammas).

The bias to the Lambda headphone is 260 VDC, and the bias for the
Lambda Pro is 520 VDC.  

>Transformers do degrade the sound, but not as much as running a high
>voltage device with the 10V signal coming out the back of a receiver

There is quite a difference between the transformer version and the amp
version.  (Well 'quite a difference' is highly subjective - to a
'golden ear' the difference might be like "night and day" - to someone
esle it might be impercepitible)

And you can start with one and upgrade.  I got a Lambda Pro-1 at a good
discount price on a closeout.   About 9 months later I got a used solid
state amp.  All pieces are available separately.


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From: peterh@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (huang peter suway)
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Subject: FOR SALE: AKG K280 Headphones
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Hello,
 
I have one pair of AKG K280 headphones for sale. It is in perfect 
condition. They retail for around $200 new. I just bought it a couple
of months ago.
  
I am just trying to sell it to raise some cash for other equipment.
   
I will consider all serious offers and see what kind of reponses I get
before I decide whether or not I will sell it.
    
Thanks.

Later,
      
Peter Huang
phone: (217) 332-4156
e-mail: peterh@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: lbrahm@denver.cba.du.edu (Lans Brahmantyo)
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Subject: B&W 801 Matrix II for Sale
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 23:04:15 GMT
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I have one pair of B&W 801 Matrix Series II (Black) to sell for $2,900. 

It is in great condition (very rarely used).  I am selling it because I'd like  
to get a new computer system and I have another pair already.

Price is negotiable.

Please e-mail or fax.

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From: ampex!dna@decwrl.dec.com (David Altekruse)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: Experience with Mirage M-3 ???
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:31:50 GMT
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Julian Vrieslander writes:
>
>The newest version is called the M-3si.  I have heard them demonstrated 
>twice in dealer showrooms and was generally impressed....

A friend of mine has the Mirage M-3.  (I have MG-III's.)  I've spent some
time listening to the M-3's and am over-all pretty impressed.  One thing 
that bothers me is a somewhat "tizzy" high end.  I'm not saying they are 
too bright.  They're not.  But there is something that's not right about 
the high end to my ears.  Triangles and the upper end of a cymbal sound 
disconnected to the rest of the sound, for example.  I've listened to 
several M-3's in different rooms and I always hear this.  My guess is that 
the high end frequency response is not very flat.  

Finally to my question:  Do the newer M-3si's have a different tweeter?
From: jreiser@skidmore.EDU (jason reiser)
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Subject: Re: Ultimate headphones for portable use
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:22:03 GMT
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Though not the Ultimate headphone, I have been using a set of Nak
SP-7's for several years with both portables and through a receiver
and have been very happy with them.  I mention this mainly because
they are the most comfortable headphones I have worn that didn't break
the bank.  Sony's hurt my ears too.  Maybe it is my ears... but the
SP-7 has a very large surface that's all foam covered so it supports
itself gently against the ears.  

				- Jason
jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu
From: Scottl@mot.com (Scott Lindsey)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: Buying an amp
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:07:27 GMT
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In article <1992Oct9.095337.16194@husc3.harvard.edu>, on@husc10.harvard.edu (Ahmad On) writes:
> 
> The question that I have is: I've heard a lot of good things about the
> Adcom 535 power amp.  I could save a lot of money by buying American and
> I need to know which pre=amplifiers in the same price range ($350-$500)
> can complement the 535 nicely.  I have looked at the Adcom preamp/tuner
> and I don't like since it has way too many features.  I would prefer
> something that's a little more minimalist.
 
AR made a little device which was designed to go in between and amp an preamp
which functions as a remote volume control. I've it has up to three inputs,
including a tape loop. It functions great as a very minimal preamp (although
I don't believe that it has any gain.. Just attenuation) and when I purchased
mine it was about $100!!!! I have Harmon Kardon separates and I basically never
use the HK preamp except when I'm listening to the turntable.. Consider it!
If nothing else, you can use it later with another pre-amp...
I think that is very neutral sounding (as opposed to my HK preamp, which is
a little bright).
From: tron2@erich.triumf.ca (MILES,WILLIAM)
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Subject: Audio Effects
Date: 13 Oct 1992 12:57 PDT
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	I recently got a disc of Tubular Bells II and one of the effects 
refered to in the cut "The Bell" was the Venetian Blind Effect.  Does 
anyone out there know if this is a put-on or a legitimate Audio Effect.  
If it is a real effect, could some one describe it or give me a reference
on it?
From: jrh@mustang.dell.com (Randy Howard)
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Subject: Speaker comparison
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I have been considering purchasing some Vandersteens for quite a while,
but recently a friend recommended the PSB Stratus Gold's and indicated
that one of the local audio stores felt that a lot of people were
going with the PSBs over the Vandersteens now.  I also have seen a bit
of concern here over power handling capability w/the Vandersteens, but I 
don't typically listen to extremely loud music so it may not be a problem
for me either way.  

I haven't (yet) been able to hear the two side by side to make a good 
comparison.  Any opinions from people with experience with both?


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From: mike@banana.fedex.com (Mike Bearden)
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Subject: Re: Good amp/preamp combo for $1500-$2200
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:01:57 GMT
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Mike Neil <mackid@engin.umich.edu> writes:

>Good amp/preamp combo for $1500-$2200

>a review of the Aragon 4004 Mk II, and they gave it very high marks.  I
>am considering driving quite a distance to listen to the Aragon.  Has 
>anyone had any experience with the Aragon 4004 Mk II?  How do people
>feel about buying used amps, is there anything (other than the odvious)
>I should be concerned about.

>-Mike Neil
>mackid@engin.umich.edu

  If you are speaking of the aragon, i presume you are thinking in terms
  of buying used equipment.   Usually, people who spend $2K on a component
  will take decent care of it.  it's worth a try.

  As to impressions of the aragon, there are 3 solid state units in this
  price range that seem to go head to head against each other....all are
  pretty good amps.  They are:
     Aragon 4004MKII
     Classe DR10
     McCormack DNA1
  I have listened to all of them in my home in my system whcih consists
  of a Cal Tercet Mk IV CD player, a quicksilver preamp, and Apogee
  Centaur speakers.

  The Aragon provides good bass, a dry midrange, and a sometimes brittle
  upper end.  (all comparisons relative to the other two amps)

  The McCormack also produces great bass (better than the aragon with 
  the centaurs), a somewhat warm midrange, and a rolled off top end.
  The general sound is a little more forward than with the classe.

  The Classe does not have the low end of the other two amps, but
  compensates for this by having a much more refined, natural
  midrange and upper end than the other two.  it provides more
  detail without being overly agressive, like the aragon.  One word
  of note here is that there is a VERY LONG break-in period for the 
  Classe electronics, i.e. 350 hours or so.  

  I own the Classe.  All are good amps.  IMHO, the Classe and McCormack
  are well worth the extra $150 or so that they cost more than the aragon.


  Good luck!

  Mike Bearden
  Memphis, TN