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From: thorick@ataraxy.sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Real Martial Artists
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:19:16 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Apr7.165126.890@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>
>OK so what is the true martial arts driving vehicle?  I shouldn't think
>it would be a single brand or type of car, but rather, the characteristics
>such a vehicle might have.
>
>Volvos, well known for being able to take a punch, I have been in
>...
>
>Long on endurance such as my ford f-150 4wd with dual fuel tanks, it goes
>...

Being a Tai Chi kinda guy, I'd have to vote for my '84 Yamaha FJ1100,
first of a basic design which is still being produced in 1992, it is the 
original 'Chen' style of the FJ lineage...

Like most internal arts, it is not as flashy as more contemporary
performance oriented bikes... it's power is hidden...  civil...
until you ask for 9,000 rpms.. then..  well, ask the hapless
Whale-Tail Turbo Porsche 911 driver whom I saw rocketing backwards
in my rear-view mirror from the stop light during a fit of
delayed adolesence of mine (can you say 0-60 mph in less than 3 
seconds ? )  (well...  it was all *HIS* fault, he
sat their gunning the engine and looking at me !   uh...  guess I
can't leave the temple yet  :-)   )...

And like the general methods of internal arts, the art of motorcycle
survival is awareness and collision-avoidance..  the Aikido of
the motor vehicle world..   you want my lane ?  OK, you may have
my lane, but you will not damage me and I will not deign to damage you.. 
I still luv you (AND my 9,000 rpm escape pod  :-)  )...

-thorick




.......................................................................
All of the above is from Thorick Chow - DoD #129, and not Sybase, Inc..

Chill the Planet..       Save the Old Growth Front Lawn...
From: pauljone@aludra.usc.edu (Michael Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Posting guidelines
Date: 16 Apr 1992 07:23:09 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <Mdv5VAi00WBME3lHIJ@andrew.cmu.edu> jm50+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Piers McDonald) writes:
>In article <sgfapINNln4@agate.berkeley.edu> upload@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael
> Robinson) writes:
>>The idea is this:  no one will be permitted to write declarative sentences 
>>about any art unless they have personally trained in it for at least a
>>month.
>>Comments?

>    What the hell! Let's just make it a black-belt only club; that way
>us annoying beginners won't get in the collective way of those who know.

Some styles don't have belts.


>    Maybe I'm just reactionary, but this seems like utter bullshit. You
>want to flame beginners who use bad facts and empty statements -- go
>ahead. But trying to tell them what they can and can't say is a load of
>crap. Send the message that the input of beginners isn't welcome if you
>really want, but if this goes through, I think I'll be checking out
>early (even though I'm about to graduate and lose net access anyway.)

In T'ai Chi you aren't considered to be a beginner until you've
studied 7 years.  I would welcome any input from a beginner in TCC.

Seriously, if someone wants to make a fool of themselves, why not
let them?  Certainly many of the misconceptions that I had about
other arts have been cleared up when some other fool voiced aloud
what I thought to be true.

As net.readers, we just have to be aware that much of what we read
is posted by people that we know little about, and we have to
evaulate it for ourselves.  Caveat Emptor.




>    Have a pleasant day.

I love happy endings.



Mike Jones
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fashions (was: Black Belt)
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:28:06 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Apr8.144610.12551@cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama	a hakama

Wow! Allergies acting up, eh?

Actually, I thought I heard her say 1000 times, not 150.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: mursha@cco.caltech.edu (Murali Shurmat)
Subject: Re: Request: Strange MA styles
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:38:01 GMT

CADS_COLE@GALLUA.BITNET (Kevin Cole; Washington DC) writes:

>In article <1992Apr17.052815.12404@wam.umd.edu>, napalm@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu
>(Warren L. Mohn) writes: 

>> normal fare taught in the U.S. I want to know if anybody has information  
>> concerning styles that may have originated in India, Cambodia, Thailand,  

kj>Last year, a friend of mine let me borrow two books.  If I recall correctly,
>one was called "Asian Fighting Arts", and the other was "The Way of the 
>Warrior".  Since I was skimming through both, simultaneously, I've gotten the 
>details a bit jumbled, but one of them convered Indian (as in from India, not 
>Native American), martial arts, still practiced in India at the time of 
>publication.
>-- 
'The Way of the Warrior' by Howard Reid has a chapter on Kalaripayet, the Indianart.

Murali Sharma
.
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Real Martial Artists
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:51:26 GMT
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

No, my will power is failing, I just bought Reeces Peanut Butter Cups
from the machine, and can no longer resist the subliminal temptation
planted on my screen two weeks back.  But before I humiliate myself
for all time and space, be sure and check out the cyberpunk post on
humor.funny  arrgg.......

OK so what is the true martial arts driving vehicle?  I shouldn't think
it would be a single brand or type of car, but rather, the characteristics
such a vehicle might have.

Volvos, well known for being able to take a punch, I have been in
2 volvo auto accidents as a passenger, one a roll over, the other
a t-bone, I spilled my orange soda all over me in the roll over and
got a really nasty headache in the t-bone.

Long on endurance such as my ford f-150 4wd with dual fuel tanks, it goes
a long way, but jeepers what an appetite.  This thing is a beast, I
literally pull trees over with it (and a LONG strand of elevator
cable, I used to use 50' of logging chain but that goes back to
ability to take a punch).

Low budget like my dearly departed VW pickup truck (1959 with 6v
engine, I think it was 1200 CC) or my new communter car metro geo.

There is also fast, but I haven't ever had a car that would go fast :-)

So what is the TRUE R.MA vehicle(s) of choice.

**** You hadda know I would do it ****  Well lunch is over, time to
get back to work and thwart progress (you know how us managers are).
===================================================================
Surely you don't take me seriously!  :-)   :-)   :-)
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions.  Please read.
Keywords: stretching, sparring
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:27:20 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <bDk+CD+@engin.umich.edu> hoagy@engin.umich.edu (Matthew Rupert) writes:
>I've never known anyone in their lives to use a high kick effectively
>in any sudden fight/attack situation.  If they tell you they high kicked
>someonme during a panic fight, they are either lying, or the attacker
>was brain dead and just stood there.  Initially, you will not react with
>a roundhouse to the head.  Rather, you'll try to get into a good defensive
>and start with punches and low kicks to the knees/shins.  

Welll...I pretty much agree with your opinion, but once upon
a time I used to work the graveyard shift at a 7-11 in Five
Points, which is Denver's archetypical Rough Neighborhood.
I met a tournament fighter there whose style was Tae Kwon
Do; he was very fast and athletic. He also affected a sort
of Prince Rogers Nelson style of dress, which got him hassled
a lot. I watched him encounter a group of four belligerents
once; they were going to educate him about the proper style
of dress for a man. He placed two roundhouse kicks at the
tip of one guy's nose before he could put his hands up. The
four guys just got into their car and drove away.

Seems like there's an exception to nearly every rule.
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Musashi Question
Date: 14 Apr 92 07:31:53 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Apr14.071319.5001@craycos.com> some illiterate with *my* name writes:
>Nobody can do that. When Socrates said the "it is a wise man indeed
                                        ^^^

Which should, of course, be "that".

As I said before, "Sumtaimz ah kint tipe too gud."

Steve
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 11:32:07 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: What's the point? (ABNORMAL?)
	<nazjkmn.dsmythe@netcom.com>

dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.163331.6956@uoft02.utoledo.edu> fax0243@uoft02.utoledo.e\
> du writes:
> >In article <1992Apr13.02651.2270@ms.uky.edu>, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt\
> ) writes:> 
> >
> >> Dr. William K Glunt     | Are you ABNORMAL?
> >                                    ^^^^^^^^
> >
> >BTW: I believe normal should be banned from the english language. It implies
> >that there is something that most people should be , which is not true. Avera\
> ge
> >is a far more appropriate word. Strive to raise the average, then bring 
> >yourself above that.
> 
> I would prefer "ATYPICAL".  That captures the idea better for me...
> (or maybe POSITIVELY ATYPICAL, no - make that NON-NEGATIVELY ATYPICAL;
>  yeah, yeah, that's the ticket...)

	Why not "non-weird"?
	Hey, I'm just another perfectly non-weird person.

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Choosing a martial art - effectiveness
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:34:57 GMT
Reply-To: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: danzan.ebay.sun.com

In article 19892@wam.umd.edu, gumby@next08cville.wam.umd.edu (Daniel David Reynolds) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.105517.1540@brandonu.ca> lampij@brandonu.ca writes:
 
>It is called Tai Jutsu, developed by Will Maier and his teacher, 
>Stephen K. Hayes,

>Tai Jutsu is only tought in two schools in the world (both in Maryland),  
>but it will give you a feeling of what an effective self defense style is  
>like.  I am an instructor there, and will be happy to mail you some  
>information on the style.  

Hmmm.....
From my dictionary; "Tai-Jutsu: A very ancient art of fighting, sometimes
called Koshi-no-mawari, from which all the others, notably Ju-jutsu have
emanated...."

Rather than calling something Tai-Jutsu, perhaps Maier/Hayes jutsu is
more appropriate. At least it is more honest that saying Tai Jutsu was
developed by Maier/Hayes. 

---
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Multiple attackers
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:18:52 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <barry.703293689@citr.uq.oz.au> barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson) writes:
>tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>>  I agree with David Poore, you should deal with the strongest one
>>  first.  You might as well get it over with, while you're fresh.  
[Heeeey! My name in lights, I love it!!]
>	You assume that you will have to fight all attackers (and
>maybe that you will win :^) .  Why not run?  In order to get away,

Well, I can't speak for Ted, but this is not my assumtion at all. I am
assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that if I can drop the 'ringleader' the
rest of the bunch might start to get cold feet.

>run at the weakest point, and if you are surrounded, that would
>probably be the weakest person.  If you run, and string them out
>behind you, then even if they are faster you will be more likely
>to be able to take them one (or a few) at a time.  Besides, things
>might improve after a little warming up :^) .

Not likely for me. I am not really that fast a runner, and when I am old
an fat, I sure wouldn't want to try this (esp. if faced by a pack o
younguns). Besides, psychologically, if you run, then aren't they going
to be in predator mode and you in prey mode? I say reverse the situation
immediately by taking down as many as you can as quickly as you
can...starting with the toughest. Then YOU are the predator. Or as
Funakoshi said: Do not stand before your opponnent, make him stand
before you. (Or something like that, appologies to karateka if I
butchered it too badly)

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 questions. Please read.
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:25:28 GMT
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

cammarta@bucknell.edu (aaron cammarata `93) writes:
> 1)
>         In the unfortunate event that you're attacked, say on the street somew\
> here, and you're not stretched out, as you would be before and during training\
> , how do you deal with it?  Obviously, kicks aren't going to be as high,
> and the danger of a sprain or tear is much higher.  How do you cope?  Any spec\
> ial ideas out there?

	Ummm...here's 2 possible answers, if you insist on using kicks:
	1) Always be in condition to fight - that means to stretch a
lot and stay limber constantly (yeah, easily said...)
	2) Bring the target to a more reasonable height.

> 2)
>         When sparring, what goes through your head?

	"Are they close enough? What's open? Here they come!/Here I go!"
	[blank zone]
	"It worked!/It didn't work!"

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
From: rja@batcomfs.Eng.Sun.COM (Ninja Squirrel Master)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Date: 11 Apr 92 04:13:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcomfs

In article <12406@auspex-gw.auspex.com> bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.200238.1087@apollo.hp.com>, stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:
>> My kenjutsu instructor told me the guards are fairly easy to cut through,
>> especially since many are made of brass, bronze or copper.  In fact the
>> more ornate ones are often not even solid metal, but more like a carving
>> than a guard.  
>
>	Soft-metal handguards are alleged to be useful, at least with knives,
>in catching your opponenl's blade - the soft metal "grabs" the edge.  Perhaps
>Robert Allen can comment?

    I suspect this is why brass is so often used as a guard, however,
    I've also read, or heard from someone, somewhere, that guards were
    originally never intended for anything but keeping your fingers off
    your blade if you stabbed something.  I think Bill Bagwell may have
    written this.  In any case it makes sense.  The CS tanto only has
    a single guard, the SOG Tec specifically mentions it only has a single
    guard for martial arts/fighting use, and in my experience a double
    guard is more trouble than it's worth.  For one thing, it can cause
    you to hold a knife in a fencing grip, which you don't always want,
    and it can make holding a knife in the reverse grip painful.
--
    Robert Allen, rja@sun.com		DISCLAIMER: I said it, not my company.

    "Traditionalists often study what is taught, not what there is to create."
			     - Ed Parker, Grandmaster, American Kenpo.
From: lampij@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: training on tatami mats/injuries
Date: 2 Apr 92 18:59:42 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <5599@stl.co.uk>, dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches) writes:
> I've been training in Judo for 20 odd years 
> 
> It is possible to suffer from knee stress if the mats are too soft.
> 
> I can appreciate that trying to kick and twist at the same time on a
> tatami can cause problems since one is putting a lot of weight onto a
> small surface area which of course will push into the mat more.
> 
> Tatamis do provide more resistance to twists than polished floors.
> 
> One could ask the question, is there a problem with technique if
> twisting gives rise to severe knee problems (e.g. is the supporting
> leg too straight when pivoting?).
> 
> 
>    Dave Riches

Thanks for the reply Dave!!
	I think you are correct on all counts.  A number of people have written
with the same experience with Tatami mats.  I myself have trained on them for
eight years with knee troubles, but have had a number of students having
troubles over the past while.  With a general consensus like this one, I will
be applying more pressure on the YMCA administration to give us more gym time!

	Thanks agian!

Yours in Karate-Do

Douglas Lampi

"Just keep training"  - Teruyuki Okazaki

lampij@brandonu.ca
   
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 11:22:12 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: State Of Mind
	<RCp+HjB@engin.umich.edu>

hoagy@engin.umich.edu (Matthew Rupert) writes:
>         I found out that during fights, if I am trying to think of
> what to do, how to do it, and who to do it to(yes, I'm the bouncer-type
> guy on the rec.), I'm not half-effective as I could be.

	The other night I was going down a flight of stairs in the
dark. I was going down them very quickly and easily, then I looked
down and thought to myself "Hey, I can't see the stairs, where do I
put my foot next?"
	I immediately lost the rhythm and tottered around for a second
or two before telling myself "I think too much."
	I was going down the stairs perfectly fine until I actually
tried to think about it.

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
From: napalm@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Warren L. Mohn)
Subject: Request:  Strange MA styles
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:28:15 GMT

I'm interested in learning something about "strange" Martial arts  
disciplines.  What I mean by strange is disciplines that are not the  
normal fare taught in the U.S. I want to know if anybody has information  
concerning styles that may have originated in India, Cambodia, Thailand,  
etc.  Or ANYWHERE as long as it's not the normal fare.  The stranger the  
better, but it has to be a recognized, settled discipline.  Please email  
me telling me what you know, books i could get, etc. Or post it.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: CADS_COLE@GALLUA.BITNET (Kevin Cole; Washington DC)
Subject: If these postings are a representative sample of the arts...
Organization: Gallaudet Research Institute
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:09:20 GMT


You know, for a while there, I was seriously considering studying martial arts. 
Then I started reading this newsgroup.
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From: fax0243@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: A new belt question
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:20:17 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <702916120@romeo.cs.duke.edu>, jfh@duke.cs.duke.edu (Fran Heidlage) writes:
> 
> 
> 	The other night I was talking with a martial arts colleague
> 	and an interesting question arose.  I was told, somwhere in
> 	the distant past, that your belt must never touch the floor
> 	unless you were wearing it (e.g. rolls, breakfalls, ground-
> 	work, etc.)  Has anyone else out there in rec.ma land heard
> 	of such a thing?  Do you have any ideas about the origin of
> 	this tradition?  Or did I make it up in my sleep one night?
> 
> 
> 	Fran Heidlage
> 	jfh@romeo.cs.duke.edu

	Well, at my school, things are pretty informal, but I have heard that
you're not supposed to in any way disrespect your belt (i.e. dropping, dragging
through the dirt, cutting up, etc), and if you do you can get your belttaken
away. But we don't really enfore many rules at our school except don't break
any bones. :) 

Sonya Chang
fax0243@uoft02.utoledo.edu
From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Relationships between sword and jo
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:09:28 GMT
	<1992Apr17.134120.25610@eng.umd.edu>
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen) writes:
> In article <odvQV3W00iUyQ5Vdk=@andrew.cmu.edu> ml57+@andrew.cmu.edu (Meron Lan\
> gsner) writes:
> 
> >
> >   On first glance, many jo and sword techniques look similar, does
> >anyone know of any relationships between these wepons ? My theory is
> >that the samurai, who were already proficient swordsmen, applied the
> >same skills to their walking sticks, then added on.
> 
>         i don't know about other styles, but in our style, the staff is the 
> father of all weapons.  from the staff, all techniques for weapons are derived.
> i would think that it is logical to believe that a similar progression occurs
> in other styles.  but it isn't necessarily a rule, i'm sure....
>         and, as always, i am/at:

	The story (as I've heard it) is that classical jo is a
combination of bojutsu and kenjutsu. The Shindo Muso
Ryu is a classical jo system which is derived from bojutsu primarily,
with kenjutsu influences (I could be wrong).
	Aiki-jo was developed by Ueshiba, who had never studied Shindo
Muso Ryu. The jo techniques which he learned is derived from his own
experience as a swordsman as well as training in the unorthodox jo
techniques of mountain ascetics (I'll dig up the references if folks are
interested).

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
From: lampij@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Flame?
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:05:39 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <43096@as0c.sei.cmu.edu>, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
> In case anyone was confused, I and Doug Cohen (at least last I
> checked-yesterday) are good friends, even though we have met only once and
> typically communicate by email.  I am rather appalled that some of you morons
> didn't understand that given the intro (obviously joking) to my post about
> returned mail.  Although I was sorely tempted to post the address of the
> person who sent me the mail below, I just thought I would comment that I think
> it was uncalled for.
> 
> 				*****
> 
>>Fuck you!
> 
>>Don't flame on the net, it's a waste of bandwidth.
>>If you must, then use e-mail.
> 
> 
>>But fuck you anyway!


Wow.  There are some tense people on this net!

Take two of these... no no, the little white ones...

douglas lampi
lampij@brandonu.ca