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From:         "Daniel L.MacIsaac" <danmac@PHYSICS.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Undergrad Lab manuals
              Robertson" at Jan 25, 93 4:36 pm

Hello.

I have been reading of various descriptions of MBL labs for undergrad
mechanics, and would like to obtain copies of these manuals and SW if possible.

We have a ULI here, with the basic SW for it and the standard Xducers.  We also
have a manual of our own, and SW written in LabVIEW (just the VIs -- you need
the SW from National Instruments to run it), and would be willing to swap via
surface mail.

If you would like to swap manuals or experiments, I would be greatly
interested and most appreciative.

Thanks in advance,

Dan MacIsaac  Purdue Univ Physics Dept, 1396 Physics Bldg, West Lafayette
IN 47907-1396 USA

"Indeed, from childhood we have become familiar with the appearance of physical
equations in non-Cartesian systems, such as polar coordinates, and in non-
inertial systems, such as rotating coordinates..."
                        - Steven Weinberg, Gravitation & Cosmology, p 92
Dan MacIsaac, Grad student in Physics & Science Ed, danmac@physics.purdue.edu
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From:         "G.J. McCaughan" <gjm11@CUS.CAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Three Short Notes
              <01GTXHJD2IF699DJVG@asu.edu>

Dan Harling writes that all the 4th Commandment actually says about the
Sabbath is to keep it holy. I'm puzzled: this is what my Bible says...

   Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall
   labour and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath
   to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither
   you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant,
   nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six
   days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all
   that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the
   LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Sounds like forbidding work to me...

--
Gareth McCaughan     Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk  Cambridge University, England.    [Research student]
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From:         Anthony Glen Jeffries <jeffries@IASTATE.EDU>
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> On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:49:50 MST Usenet/Netnews Moderator said:
> >
> >Sorry to correct Theodore but the New World Translation was done by the
> >Jehovah Witnesses not by the Mormon's (who use the KJV + the book of Mormon)
.
> >I still agree about avoiding the NWT due to extremely badly biased
> >translation.
> >
> >Peter D
> I again thank everyone for correcting me on my error.
> Again, I am only human, and thus natrually prone to mistakes.
> At least we all agree that the NWT should _NOT_ be used.
> --------------------------------+------------+-------------------------------
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> (312)237-0096         Phone     |  <><  <><  | I am a Stranger to this World.

Sorry to have to include the .signatures, but otherwise nobody would know who
I was quoting.

I think the Mormons were going to come out with their own translation of
the Bible.  Does anybody know what this might be named (so that we may avoid
it in the future)?

Anthony Glen Jeffries
Journalism and Mass Communication student, Iowa State University
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From:         Wolfgang Hutter <HUTTER@DULRUU51.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Answer to Wolfgang, Romans 9.

In a message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:09:00 EST
Received on Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:13 N
DRCV06::GRAHAM <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL> wrote:

> Wolfgang, your question deserves a good answer.  I'm listening to Romans
> 9-11 and writing at the same time.
[ stuff deleted ]
> I think I'd better do chapters ten and eleven in eparate posts uniess this
> will get too long for the comfort of lots of readers.
>
> I hope this is of some value,

Dan,

it is. I'm looking forward to the next parts, especially Romans 11. I'll
answer it after you have found time to finish all.

Wolfgang Hutter ( what does that sound like?)
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:11:00 -0500
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      a concept of judgment

Evening:

I just had an interesting thought.  I was thinking about this notion
some people have that when we are judged we will see everything we
have ever done in our lives.  A friend of mine said she thought it
must be worse than that, because since we've already lived through
all those things, we must not have been too disturbed by them.

It occurred to me that maybe it *is* worse than that.  We've all
sinned, haven't we?  We've all done things that we know God would
not exactly approve of, but something in our wicked human hearts
allows us to enjoy and excuse those things (even if we *do* usually
repent of them afterward).

But consider this.  Suppose this re-running of events allows us to
stand and watch our own actions *without* the benefit of that ability
to cover over the awfulness of it--without the enjoyment, and without
the excuse.  To just stand there watching, knowing the true evil of
all those thing, feeling the grief of the spirit as we turn our backs
on God.

Personally, I think that would be horrible.  My friend is not a Christian,
and she started thinking about that.  She also thought it would be
horrible.  She said that she thought that if someone experienced that,
they would realize that they don't deserve to go to Heaven or to be
in God's presence.  Then she said, "That's where the Jesus part comes
in, isn't it?"

This woman is very much a pagan (sometimes she calls herself that;
sometimes she calls herself an agnostic).  In general, she is a very
dear and good person by the general standards of the world.  But like
all of us, she knows the evil things she is capable of.

I felt a glimmer of hope in that conversation, though she quickly
moved it on to another topic.  I think she is thinking about eternity
more seriously, though.  I would ask your prayers that God would draw
her closer to Himself and reveal to her the magnificent Truth.  I think
she is afraid of that truth, and perhaps a bit too intellectual to
accept it just now.  But I pray that the Lord would labor with her
gently and consistently, that she may come to the knowledge of God
before it is too late.

And I think that picture of judgment might be something we would do
well to keep in mind.

Love INC,
           --Kerry
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:37:46 -0500
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Ron Silver

Speaking at the Inauguration. Jets flew over....

Ron Silver: "At first I was aghast at the clash of images, pacifist vs.
militaristic, liberal vs. conservative, us vs. them. BUT, then it came to
me "Hey, those planes are *OURS* now. Those are our planes."

What's he going to do with them now that they are his?

Also, Amy Pagnozzi who says Clinton isn't nearly liberal enough,

   "You don't have to be convinced that Bill Clinton's ascension to the
    Presidency is the BEGINNING of anything to know what it is the END
    of:
     1) Presidentially endorsed attacks on gays, single mothers, career
        women and people of color.
     2) Presidentially endorsed neglect of poor people, homeless people,
        sick people.
     3) Presidentially endorsed isolation of all those who are privileged
        from all those who are not."
          (Sorry, but didn't President Clinton put his daughter in a private
             school? A private school that will teach religious principles?)

They all feel that they are "Reclaiming America". This is there theme.
Remember their reaction to Pat Bucannan when he said we needed to take
back our streets? They called him a Nazi and many other things.

   Dr. Ruth adds her bit of wisdom: "First, all the other problems have
     be solved - child care, health care, & the homeless. And then, sex
     will be superb."

Scripture? Think about Prov 29:12 - "If a ruler harken to lies, all his
                                     servants are wicked."

Maks.
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From:         Tom Shelton 314 694-3831 <tjshel@MAPLE.MONSANTO.COM>
Subject:      RE: evolution and things

Gareth,
    Your reply was not eaten.  One of the options of the LISTEARN is to have
your replies sent back to you and not just to the list.  By default, when you
reply to a message, your message is NOT sent to yourself.  You can turn on this
feature by sending the appropriate command to the CHRISTIA LISTSERV. (Sorry I
don't have my copy of the commands handy).

Tom Shelton
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Date:         Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:40:47 MST
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Subject:      Re: A poll on praying.

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>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:30:27 NZT
>From: "Sandy Sartorelli" <sandy.cit@mhsgate.cit.ac.nz>
>Subject: Re: A poll on praying.

>
>    (y ) I pray God only once for something and trust that He knows
my needs >        best.
>
>    (y ) I pray God often for the same thing and believe, that He
expects me
>        to pray for the things, although He knows what I need.
>
>    ( ) None of the above. What: ___________________________________________
>
>
>    On what bible reference do you base this believe?
>
To me it depends greatly on what I happen to be talking to Him about.
 e.g. if it is something I am really worried about I try to only
bring it up once a day (i.e. not every 5 seconds) and then trust it
to Him (although this is often easier said than done). Phillipians
4>6,7  comes to mind.  To pray once only for this kind of thing
doesn't cover it - I need to pray about it when I am 'anxious' - but
once I have prayed for it I shouldn't keep gloating over it in my
mind but move on with peace of mind because I have commited it to
Him.
Some minor things may be one-off requests, e.g. asking for the
wheather to be fine for a family outing  if possible.  Other things,
I might put on a prayer list to pray about regularly (when I am
organised), like regular prayer for my family or friends.

Cheers, Sandy Sartorelli.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:38:19 MST
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Subject:      Christian Nettiquette

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>From: jtauber@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (James Tauber)
>Subject: Christian Nettiquette
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>Date: 24 Jan 1993 14:10:06 GMT

Paraphrased from Matthew 18:15-17
(with permission from the original author)

And if your brother sins go and reprove him by e-mail; if he listens to
you, you have won your brother.
But if he does not listen to you, get one or two more to e-mail him so
that by the typing of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed.
And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to all Christia and if he
refuses to listen even to Christia let him be to you as an alt.atheism
subscriber.

God Bless

By Appointment His Majesty Lord Yeshua haMashiach

James Tauber (Yaakov ben-Avraham)
jtauber@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:37:29 -0500
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Gays in the Military?

Is the White House comment line 202/456-1414?
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:30:24 EDT
From:         "Fritz Block, Future Cave Resident" <BD32@LAFAYACS.BITNET>
Subject:      Judge messages, not messengers

> Dr. Nancy's Sweetie alias kilroy alias Darren F. Provine absolutely
> berates Rush Limbaugh for being cruel to people, and asserts that we
> should not watch or listen to or support Rush in any way.

[Darren Provine's quotation deleted]
[Part of Scott Weberg's denunciation deleted]

> Therefore I completely REJECT and DENOUNCE Mr. Provine's post about
> Rush Limbaugh being mean and un-Christian; it was nothing more than
> hypocritical noise!  Mr. Provine has absolutely NO RIGHT to speak
> against Mr. Limbaugh; he should keep silent!  For he uses the same
> tactics on a Christian list to speak sarcasticly against those he
> disagrees with.

Whether you think Darren Provine is hypocritical is immaterial to
whether his points about Rush Limbaugh are valid.  Why reject the
message just because you don't like the messenger?  I'm glad that not
everybody judges the message of the Gospel that way; I don't feel that
most of us measure up as messengers very well at all.

Fellow believers, if you feel that someone should be admonished for non-
Christian behavior, please do it in private, OK?  And perhaps the
exclamation points could be left on the keyboard.


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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:04:59 -0800
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From:         Don Roberts <DSROBERTS@BIIVAX.DP.BECKMAN.COM>
Subject:      Re: Tongues

Well, I've been watching this discussion on tongues for a while, and there
seems to be a shortage of dispensationalists here, so I'll throw in my two
cents :-)

Paul lists tongues among several gifts classified as minor.  Based on this and
the context of other texts on tongues, I feel a strong case can be made that
any requirement for tongues in believers (as opposed to optional) is
non-Biblical.  At best tongues would be optional, a gift given to some, not
all.

In terms of dispensation, I also see no specific text that claims tongues will
be with us always, just as apostles are not.  And a strong argument can be made
that tongues is no longer a valid (read necessary) gift.  Tongues, in all
Biblical *examples* (as opposed to discussions of tongues, I'm speaking here of
the actual citing of incidents), were ALWAYS directed at the unbeliever as a
tool for showing the power of God.

I completely discount opinions on tongues based on feelings.  If feelings are
an accurate measure, then Jehovah's Witnesses (who claim to feel the hand of
God), Mormons (sorry, they are NOT Christian) who claim to feel God in their
bosoms, and any number of other, non-Christian groups are also valid.  Even
though they clearly contradict scripture in major ways.  And personal
experience is, IMHO, the least reliable, since an individual is the least
likely to be able to objectively evaluate his own experiences.

We must measure all things by the Word of God.  If it contradicts, it must be
viewed at the very least with suspicion.  If we must perform extreme verbal
manipulation to get things to fit with Scripture this also must be viewed with
suspicion.  If any act does not edify God, this must be viewed with at least a
question as to whether it actually is from God.  People are capable of
deceiving themselves (ask Jesus about that :-) and this is usually not due to
any problem or attempt at self-deception on their part.

I'll probably be flamed for this, but that is my view.  Tongues MAY be a valid
gift for today, but definitely very minor and unimportant in the lives of most
believers.  But I strongly doubt that it is a gift for today.  In fact I feel
that it is destructive, because in our world rather than amazing and convicting
non-believers, as was the case in the times of the apostles, it now only
provides an excuse for derision from non-believers, and it seems unlikely that
God would provide such an excuse.

   Don Roberts                   Internet:  dsroberts@beckman.com
   Beckman Instruments, Inc.     Phone:     714/961-3029
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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE:CHRISTIAN SEEKING CORRESPONDENCE

Greetings Alex,

Welcome to Christia:  I haven't been on this list very long but I know that
you will enjoy it.  I would like to correspond with you and pray for any
needs you may have in the course of this year.  Again welcome and I hope
you enjoy Christia.  Have a blessed weekend!!!

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby Cross - Emory University - Atlanta, Georgia
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:23:24 CST
From:         Yvette Traylor <YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gays in the Military?

> This is similar to way back in the 50's(?) when African-Americans were the
> issue regarding entrance to the military.  It seem's that the homosexual
> community may be using some of the same arguments as were used then.  I think
> the main difference is that the Word of God doesn't condemn a person because o
> race, but it does condemn them for their sexual preference (Lev 18:22-24, Lev
> 20:13, Rom 1:26b, and 1Cor 6:9-11).  This is what we should base our rejection
> of this matter on.  Unfortunately, because we do so, our point of view may get
> rejected.
>
 But the real truth is that, their are already Gay people in the
 military. I see it as they just want the right to tell everybody,
and I personally would rather that people kept their sexual preferences
to them selves, but things have changed.
Now I have a question.
How is it that gays are excluded? Is their a question on the application
that says. What is your sexual preference? If it is, would it just
be simple to delete this question? And another question, unless you ask,
how do you even know if a person is gay or not? I perfer not to even
ask someone this question. Just wondering....Yvette

Yvette
"Do something good for someone today, even if it is leaving them alone."
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:51:57 MST
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Subject:      Cell Churches - Help

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>From: "Ian (Travolta) Wylie C2/Q2" <iwylie@mcs.dundee.ac.uk>
>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:48:26 GMT
>To: sklepzi@ssb1.saff.utah.edu
>Subject: Cell Churches - Help

Hi Michael,

In Australia there is a cell-group church called "Revival Centres
International"
which is quite scriptural.

So you have been asked to become the deacon of the group, very good, may God
give you the talents and wisdom required...

You are welcome to email with questions in regard to cell-group churches, as
I was part of one for 5yrs.

Our cellgroups got as large as 24 people before they were split into 2 cell
groups.



________________________________________________________________

"To live is to change. To be perfect is to have changed often."
                               -John Henry Newman

Name: Ian R. Wylie                 Email:  iwylie@uk.ac.dund.mcs
The University of Dundee
Great Britain
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:47:28 MST
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Subject:      Re: Ten Commandments.

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>From: jtauber@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (James Tauber)
>Subject: Re: Ten Commandments.
>Organization: The University of Western Australia
>Date: 27 Jan 1993 07:33:14 GMT

: It's interesting to note that Jesus reiterates 9 of the 10 commandments.
:
: Grace & Peace,
: Scott Hayes
: scotth@cs.umr.edu

A helpful point, but also remember that he reiterated them to Jews!

James Tauber
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:52:04 -0500
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Offer for pro-life list members

Hi all:

I have written quite a few poems dealing with the subjects of abortion,
politics, and God, and I would like some input from other pro-life
Christians.

If you would be willing to read some of my work and respond, please
e-mail me privately.

Thanks,

Love INC,
         --Kerry
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:33:50 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Mormon/LDS

LDS = Last Day Saints. The official name of the Mormons is "Church of Jesus
Christ of the Last Day(s) Saints".

Now tell me, Whose church ?

Shalom,
Memo.