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From: cp7927@oktext.sbc.com (Caryn S. Prater)
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Reply-To: cp7927@oktext.UUCP (Caryn S. Prater)
Organization: Southwestern Bell
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 23:28:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.020915.13341@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <DuPsTB1w163w@peewee> peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer) writes:
>>They're legal in Georgia now, and I thought Georgis was about the most        
>>redneck state in the country.  The Supreme Court even struck down a
>>law in some state recently where a homosexual couple was arrested for
>>being homosexual.  I think this will set a nationwise precedent.  And
>>we know how CONSERVATIVE today's Supreme Court is.  Not to worry.
>
>You wouldn't have a cite or a name for this Supreme Court opinion, would
>you?


You know I'd like to take back what I said about Phil's post sometimes
making sense.  This guy doen't hae a clue and sounds more and more
like a man named Glen Cooley who used to post here.  Do you suppose
Phil is an imposter?  Oh, by the way I still meant what I said about
Phil being condesending.

>
>>There is no law, anywhere, that says it's okay to discriminate against someone
>>because he's a homosexual.  Except in the armed forces.
>
>That's not my impression of the recent law passed by referendum in Colorado.
>
>Even restricting the issue to the United States, there are a number of
>laws that make it *legal* to discriminate against homosexuals.  And yes,
>there's a difference between what's okay, and what's legal.  But that
>isn't what people are concerned about when they talk about discrimination
>against homosexuals.
>
>And now that I think about it, the Missouri court system has very clearly
>said that homosexual parents cannot have custody of their children.  Ever.
>

Isn't this crazy in light of the number of children we are finding
out are sexually molested and/or unloved or abused by their hetero
parents, go figure.  All a kid knows in the end is wether or not
he/she was loved, why the hell do we have to make it so hard on these
precious people in the name of helping them.  Did it ever occur to
a court that a child doesn't love a parent because of their sexual
orientation, hell probably doesn't even know it, damn.




>>	>I want to be clear that the above section of this posting is only 
>>	>challenging your assumption that our society "allows" consenting 
>>	>adults to be lesbian, gay, or bisexual.  
>>	
>>What state has a statute that says homosexuality in the bedroom is illegal?        
>Homosexuality?  Probably none.  There are a number of states that forbid
>homosexual practices under any circumstances, including the bedroom.
>These statutes aren't necessarily enforced all the time, but they're there.


Just goes to show you Phil doesn't get all his ducks in a row before
posting.



>-- 
>ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
>standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
>the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637


Caryn  

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: Styling, profiling and pretending
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:46:47 GMT

I only have a couple of new points to add to this debate.  The rest of
it isn't really worth arguing anymore; it's a matter of opinions and
feelings.

In Round 11 of Daniels vs. Skinner, HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>I wrote:
>>I used to be angry at the other person when stuff like this happened
>>to me, then I realized I was just giving them power over me.
>So,  now you admit there is such a thing as power in relationships?

I never said there wasn't.  However, in this case, it was not explicit
power used by the person who wasn't in love (me), it was implicit
power: the imbalance in feelings that led to the person who was in
love feeling hurt (my ex).  It is not the same as when someone is
outright lying, or pretending, or making promises they don't plan on
keeping.

I admit that other brothers (sisters) use the other's feelings in
power games, but everytime there's an imbalance in the relationship
that doesn't mean one person is running a game on the other.
Imbalances sometimes reveal themselves as the partners get to know
each other; it's not something that they always bring into the
relationship.

>In this debate I used male and female interchangeably.  And no, I
>did not blame YOU for everything.  You can stick to the facts if you
>want.  I have every right to illustrate any distaff points in the
>matter to show how things could be misconstrued.

You have the right to say anything you want, but you have implied that
this is *the* way (black) women would see the situation.  I know
plenty of (black) women who would NOT see it that way at all.

>As far as I am concerned, you are making something out of absolutely
>nothing.  I am not going to say you are completely blameless with
>your ex.  Period. I repeat, there was too much going on to exonerate
>anyone from blame.

It think it makes more sense not to blame anyone in this situation,
but rather to accept it as something that happens when a relationship
doesn't work out.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: RE: Black-on-Black Crime
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:45:42 GMT

	Black-on-black crime has gotten out of hand in America.  I just read
the other day that a young boy was shot over a $110 Starter jacket.

< GTD writes: "several million black folks need shrinks."

	No, we don't need shrinks. We need jobs and a solution to the drug
problem that has guided many of our youths to a life a crime.  You also
mentioned something about taking care of basic needs (food, water, shelter).
We live in a very opulent society which has put great emphasis on what a person
has and doesn't have.  This is why our children are killing each other over
shoes and jackets.  We just can't take care of basic needs, like on 
"Little House on the Prarie," and expect to live happily ever after.  This
society won't let you.

<"Because of deprived conditions that we blacks face in the U.S. others will
<say it's all whitey's fault, etc.

	It seems that we blacks have bought societies stereotype that blacks
blame whites for everything that has and will happen to them.  Yes it is true
that society has cause much of the problems in the black community. But why
point fingers?  We must stop searching for the cause and find the solution.  
Well you can't find a solution without knowing the cause---Go ahead and say 
it you dumb philosophical ideallists--but you know what I mean.

<I hope not.  Whitey may be able to keep you down, but he can't make you lose
<regard for human life.

	That's odd.  What are you saying that blacks have an inborn instinct to
kill man kind.  Society has created the monster that lurks the street in our
communities.  Bottle any group of people up in certain section of town, take 
away the jobs, and throw in alcohol and drugs and see what you get.

Chris Hill

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: X Numbers
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:47:05 GMT

X is not exactly setting the world on fire at the box office so far.
The gross for its first weekend was projected as 10.5 Mil, way behind
the 32 Million pulled down by Home Alone 2, and even lagging behind
Dracula's 15.5 (Dracula has grossed 54 Million in 10 days). Still,
WB reported that X doubled the opening weekend of JFK last year, which
opened in a similar number of theaters and had similar constraints
regarding the number of screenings permitted by the length of the film.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: New Malcolm X biography
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:47:38 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <69701@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>... well, how much is a black PHD worth vs. a white one...

>I know this is going to get me into trouble, but I may not have been the
>only person who has noted that blacks generally earn the same, and have
>the same unemployment rate as whites with about 4 years less education.
>Not conincidentally, Blacks generally score on aptitide tests (GRE, SAT,
>Armed Forces, GATB etc.) about the same as whites with 4 years less
>education.

>Blacks now have the same rate of high school diplomas as whites, but if
>their corresponding basic reading and math schools are the same as a 9th
>grade white, it's not going to hack it until those test scores improve.

Interesting. Especially since Northern Blacks outscore Southern Whites
on some of these. Maybe it has nothing to do with the inherent quality
of being black, and a lot to do with the type of education offered to 
black people in this society? 

As a side note, on the Yakima reservation in the 1950s, my father's seventh
grade class at White Swan were given IQ tests. There was almost no overlap;
the Yakima children had a significantly higher average IQ than the white
children, yet by high school there classroom performance had detiorated while
their IQ scores remained superior. He thought the determining factor was
racism, not race. I'm inclined to offer the same theory for the differences
observed here.
 

 
-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

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nadja@weitek.com
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Spike Lee
Date: 19 Nov 1992 00:15:15 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <1eelj5INNqlg@mozz.unh.edu> llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius) writes:
(on Spike Lee)
>
>He kinda spoke from both sides of his mouth last night on Nightline...
>Ted Coppel asked him about his having said kids should skip school and
Oops! ^^^^^^
Ted Koppel.....sorry!

>go watch the movie - first he said he was misquoted but then he went
>on to say that it wouldn't be any different from what he did when he
>was in grade school (I think he went to watch the nutcracker or some
>such thing - it was like an education outting, I think)...
>
>
>


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: shoot the messenger: jesse jackson [was: Re: D.C. Statehood]
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:54:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.224612.486@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dpollard@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dennis B Pollard) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.192639.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsars@acad3.alaska.edu (Allen
>R Sparks) writes:
>
>[material on inner-city flight deleted]
>
>>I have little sympathy for those left behind.
>
given this guy is writing from (i presume) alaska i'm sort of wondering if he 
really knows what he's talking about, or whether he's getting his information 
from tv sitcoms.

>another story.  I would assert that all U.S. citizens, not just Blacks, can 
>learn from Mr. Jackson and Mr. Brown.  Perhaps when some of us stop pointing 
>fingers at other groups, this nation can start to move along.
>
especially since jackson and brown are saying a lot of the same things [i don't
ever recall tony brown trying to differentiate himself from jesse jackson].  i
think one problem that white people have is that they don't like to listen to
stuff when it's coming from jackson, but will listen when it comes from a white
politician later.  one recent example is when jackson in 1984 talked of the
need for us to raise the standard of living in poorer countries or "they will
lower ours".  ross perot spoke much along the same line during his recent
"campaign" for president.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chriswa@microsoft.com (Chris Waldron)
Subject: Re: D.C. Statehood
Date: 23 Nov 92 05:11:58 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov19.040730.8038@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
>
>An excellent reson to oppose it is that it would mean that people in
>L.A., NY, or anywhere else would have only a fraction of the voting
>power as people in DC.   
>
>Two Senators for that one town would be a real injustice, 
>
>...unless of course, every other comparably large city will also
>get two new Senators of their very own in the bargain.
>
>Two brand new Senators for every Rockford Illinois in America,
>Ten each for Chicago, NYC, and LA,  
>Two for Oakland and Tacoma,
>Four each for Detroit and Seattle, etc, etc, etc...
>
>What in the world good do you think it would do, though?
>
>Jim Del Vecchio

The fact of the matter is that the people of the district does not have FULL
representation.  The other thing is that in a democracy the people of the 
district should have the right to choose the representation they want.  During
the early seventies when I lived in NY there was a major debate amoung New
Yorkers of seccession from New York State and have the city become the 51st 
state.  New Yorkers at the time felt that much of the revenue collected by 
the state and the federal gov't didn't flow back to NYC.  This was a very
interesting debate that I studied in my Social Studies classes at the time. 

The district has neither state or full federal represention.  As someone who 
repects democratic (small 'd') principles DC should democratically choose
their form of representation and we as democratic citizens should honor and
respect their choice.  As a previous poster stated those peoples such as
Pat Buchanan, who do not subscribe to democratic principles would oppose 
DC choosing their own form of representation.

ChrisWa.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Gun Control
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:19:52 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <XeV4TB1w163w@peewee> by peewee@infoserv.com (Philip Stromer):

> Sounds like a good reason to keep a gun.  If I only wasn't so CHICKEN of
> them, I'd go out and buy one.  But I'll stick to my Akita dog as my
> protector.
> 
If you want to get over your fear of them and you have some vacation time
this summer, go to the Smallarms Firing School at Camp Perry, OH that's
held in (if I recall) June and July.  There's one for pistol and one for
rifle.  Both are two days.  There is NO cost, and huts are $5.00 a day.  You
can eat in the messhall or somewhere in Port Clinton.  I've encouraged other
Blacks to attend.  Several co-workers attended last summer and greatly enjoyed
it.  One will be receiving his M1 rifle from the Army for having attended.  It
will cost him @165.00. (They've gone up to @$250.00).

By the way, it might be nice to be able to stop somebody from harming the
Akita too....


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From: sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Sam Bhimji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Reviews on _Malcolm X_
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 02:43:11 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

- I would like to get the movie if it is ever released on video, along w/ Roots
- They both do very good in explaining the history we face in the US.

I am hoping it comes on video! Out of all of the movies that Spike Lee 
has made, I have 'Do The Right Thing', 'School Daze' and 'Mo Better 
Blues' and would love to add Malcolm X to my collection...

As for Roots, I have seen it on video here in Edmonton (for rental only 
tho)


Sam Bhimji              sbhimji@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: OMAR's bio : Jive version
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:25:13 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

strickha@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Heath A. Strickland) wrote:
:
:Well,  Ted...I have never been on this newsgroup before but I don't  
:appreciate you stereotyping us.  I happen to be racist and pure fucking  
:evil but that is my choice.  And if you like flaming at everything you  
:read,  please do so because being called a racist makes me Happy,  some  
:people see nothing wrong with it.
:

Obviously this person is an impostor, because as you can see from
the address, he is posting from a NeXTCube, and racists don't know
how to work them things.

A.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:11239 misc.legal:20099
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Supreme Court and Homosexuality
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:46:58 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Nov16.183233.806@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:

>>

>	Actually, the GA sodomy law does not single out same sex
>couples in the letter of the law.


This is true, and raises a very interesting point.  Why did the
Supreme Court opinion in *Bowers v. Hardwick* open with the line: The
question before us is whether the states may prohibit *homosexual*
sodomy.  (my paraphrase)?  Even though the statute was
sex-orientation-neutral, Byron White chose to specifically single out
homosexual sodomy as subject to state regulation.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.caribbean
From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: Founding Fathers
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:38:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.230025.7498@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Yes, it's disgusting beyond belief that Africans, Arabs, and Europeans sold
>Africans into slavery.  But given that there were Southern states in 1787
>that would not have abolished slavery under any circumstances, I'm curious
>what it is the Northerners should have done.
>
it is clear to me, however, what should be done today.  we need to dispel
the fairy tale the america has a 200+ year tradition of freedom and
democracy, when in reality, it's barely a quarter century of such [and
still with some improvement to go].  this is one of the positive aspects
of some of the ethno-centric historical views coming to the fore these
days.  interesting, clowns like arthur slesinger (sp?) and george will
tend to see these developments as a threat to tradition european canon.

arguements advanced in this thread about not using modern standards to
evaluate the past are bogus; i don't believe that white people of the
past were incapable decency with regards to other human beings and were
thereby unable to see the utter perversion of slavery [and people talk
about a *decline* of moral values today??? unbelievable].  we don't look
at nazi germany with such forgiveness.  in a sense, as long as white
people are writing the history books as has been the case through much
of the past, it will be little more than a "story"; propaganda to allow
white people to believe that things are the way they are not because of
nefarious acts to create the current social order but due to superior
intellectual ability on their part.

so, i think we'll do a lot better, and allow us to learn the lessons of
the past so we don't keep repeating them in the present, if we begin to
see the past for what it really was instead of a story to make white
people feel good about it...

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From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Larger Women
Date: 16 Nov 1992 09:58:05 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov13.230035.2324@uts.cc.wayne.edu>,
delledg@uts.cc.wayne.edu (DeVaughn Elledge) writes:
>
>Yes, she does have two sisters. One of them is smaller and she has a great
>figure two. they were born with that figure. No matter what size they get
>they keep the same shape, unbelievable!! No rolls, maybe a little stomach but
>its doesn't take away from her overall appearance. But they person, I spoke
>about earlier body is complemented by the fact she has a great attitude and
>you got to have both in my book to be beautiful to me!! Those proportions are
>a knockout but that insides go to be there too!!
>
>As for proportions, shes about 5'4" believe it or not and has big bones.
>She has the "thighs of life" along with the sexy calfs(sp?) of life and the
>black womens trade mark--"the big booty". (flame suit on). Has has creamy brown
>sugar skin and serious dimples!! Beautiful personalty once again. Can't have
>they outside without the inside!!
>
>
Brother man, no need to put on the flame suit about booty, 'cause I
like the brothers to have some of that too.
.
Thank you for your good thoughts about big sisters and keep on
rollin on...

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