From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: New Supra Chipset:Caller ID:Condoms
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 17:22:14 GMT

Quoth kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK)):

]> You don't think that calling that person back is good enough to verify?

Same difference, only Caller ID is better in that regard.  For instance,
if you called my BBS and gave an out of state #, I would assign you the
de facto template of "LD caller" which is almost as good as validated, but
with no upload, message write, or Holodeck access.  Most LD callers are just
calling for one thing (guess what that is :-)

I used to do voice validations even if the caller was LD, but it's a major
hassle.

Callback verifiers are not any better.  They just verify that the user is
calling from the number stated, but most intelligent CBVs won't call outside
the local calling area unless you tell it to.  Back to square one.

Caller ID on the other hand shows the number regardless of where that person
is calling from.  No LD charges involved on my end, no hassle.  Much better
and much more reliable.

Now, if one were wanting to disable thier CID outgoing, I could do two things.
I could either not allow the connect, or create a validation template for
such critters that offered SOME services but not all.

With voice or CBV, however, it's very easy to falsify.  Back to square one.

]> >If you don't trust the sysop, don't expect him/her to trust you.
]> 
]> I didn't say I didn't trust the sysop.  I merely stated that caller ID
]> is an invasion of privicy.

See, that's where the problem is, apparently.  The people providing free
services for others deserve a few rights, too, and one of those is to know
who they are dealing with.  I DO consider it a matter of trust.  When you
log on to my system as a new user, you are told UP FRONT that I consider it
extremely bad manners to falsify info like that, AND make it CRYSTAL CLEAR
that I have NO intention of using the information for any manner of profit
making scam.  The ONLY thing that will ever cause me to pop out privileged
information like that is the actual use of my system in the carrying out of
a crime -- I consider them fair game in a situation like that, and I hope
you understand why (or does the possible loss of >$6K of computer equipment
sound like a small risk?)

]>  As a matter of fact, the private bbs isn't
]> what I'm concerned about (mostly).  It's the online services -- Genie, Portal, 
]> Compuserve etc.  So some other company needs the names of Amiga owners
]> for a phone ad campaign.  Well, x-service has caller ID, let's ask them!

Why would they need Caller ID for that?  GENie has my Visa number (that's how
I get billed) and all of them require some form of address or other priveleged
information.  You're fooling yourself if you think that Caller ID will make a
difference in that situation.  It won't.

]> Also, suppose you have a dial-in line for a business computer that also
]> allows that business computer to dial out.  You call somewhere and your
]> number gets out, not a necessarily terrible thing, but it has  bad 
]> potential.

If it's dial-in, I assume that people are SUPPOSED to call in.  One would also
assume that passwords were used and other interesting security features.  if
not, time to upgrade that software!  We've come a long way in 20 years... :-)

]> >@@@@@@@@@@*********************************************************************
]> (^- what's with the snails?)

Oh, nothing spectacular.  I have a .signature fungus.
(geez, it took over two weeks for someone to notice! :-)

]> --Jason Balicki
]> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu


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