From: an1669@anon.penet.fi (Joanne Isabella Lisa Nicolette)
Subject: Enough, already! (Was Re: WHY?)
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:30:51 GMT

                                                              
In <1992Dec12.201502.940@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> and
   <1992Dec15.203650.15963@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> wdickeson@mta.ca spews:
> I HATE TO HAVE TO ASK YOU THIS BUT WHY IN GOD'S NAME WOULD
>>ANYONE CHOOSE TO BE A CROSS-DRESSER?  NOT ONLY IS IT IMMORAL,
>>UN-NATURAL,AND SINFULL, IT IS JUST PLAIN PERVERTED!!!!!!!!
>>LET'S FACE THE FACTS - YOU ARE WHAT GOD CREATED YOU TO BE-
>>EITHER A MAN OR A WOMAN! WHAT KIND OF BLASPHEMOUS SINNERS ARE
>>YOU EXPECTING TO INTERFERE WITH GOD'S POWER. YOU SURE AS HELL CAN'T
>>BE BOTH GENDERS THAT'S FOR SURE.
>>   STOP FOOLING YOURSELVES AND COME BACK TO THE REAL WORLD.
>>ATTEMPTING TO BE SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT (WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING)
>>IMPLIES DIRECTLY THAT YOU ARE SOMEHOW DISAPPOINTED WITH WHAT
>>GOD CREATED YOU TO BE.
>>   WE ARE ALL BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE IN OUR OWN RIGHT AND THE SOONER
>>YOU GAIN THE SELF-CONFIDENCE TO REALIZE THAT THE REAL YOU IS GOOD
>>ENOUGH FOR US ALL, THE BETTER OFF YOU'LL BE.
>>   IN SHORT, TAKE THE DRESSES OFF YOU GAY IMMORAL FREAKS!!!
....................................
>
>Error of my ways? I don't think that pointing out the sinfull-ness of an
>act restricts my Christianity: it serves to strenghten it.  Murder is a
>commonly recognized sin yet are we immoral and self-serving to condemn it?
>While cross-dressing is on an obviously lower plane than that, all sins
>are equal in the eyes of God!  In reality you are the one with self-serving
>motives "sir" and I resent the fact that you move to abuse and twist
>the Christian faith for your selfish motives!!!  Cross-dressing is immoral
>and perverted and while we are all bestowed with certain freedoms in this
>day and age, if they are not in accordance with the teachings of Jesus we
>must have the spiritual fortitude to forsake these rights for the well-being
>of the highest of all goals, achieving peace with Jesus.
>  JESUS NEVER WORE A SKIRT WITH MATCHING HEELS YOU PERVERTED SEX FREAK!!!!
>  NOW GO BACK TO YOUR CLOSET OR SOMETHING!!!!!!

I'm quite sick of this Fundamentalist Christian drivel.  This newsgroup is
intended for the discussion of gender dysphorisa, crossdressing, gender roles,
etc.  It has NOTHING to do with religion.  I don't care in the least whether you
or your religion are offended by anything I do, or if you think it's a sin.
You're wasting your time and, more importantly, ours, with your preaching crap.
I'm sure that even those of us who believe in your little religion are not 
interested in hearing someone like you berate us and our sisters because you
are too closed minded to accept that we don't believe in the same morality as
yourself.
  I have absolutely no interest in hearing about your little god and how she is
offended by our behavior.  Your claims that our crossdressing is "immoral, un-
natural and sinful" mean absolutely nothing to me.  There is no such thing as a
sin.  I was NOT created by this "god"-thing you rant endlessly about, and I    
don't see why fools like you think they can speak for my gender (or genders, as
the case may be).  You ask what kind of "blasphemous sinners" we are to expect
to interfere with your "god's powers"?  What kind of arrogant bastard are you  
to think that your holy idol/thing is even remotely as powerful as even myself?!
  None of us "women" who regularly post to this group are, as you so foolishly
say, "attempting to be something they're not."  We are crossdressers, trans-
vestites, and transsexuals and are certainly aware of it.  For many of us, 
our acceptance of a female side is not implying a dissappointment in ourselves
or what your "god" created us to be, but rather a celebration of our own nature.
  Many of us are not, as you ignorantly assume, "gay".  And if we are?  Why 
should I care what a closed minded fool like you thinks of it?
  ...and your analogy between murder and crossdressing is the most ridiculous
thing I have ever heard.  There is no similarity between murder, the cold-
blooded ending of another's life, and crossdressing, an action which has no
significant effect on anyone besides the crossdresser.  Crossdressing is a 
completely personal matter which you and your religion have no say in, while
gender identity is not even a matter of personal choice!  It's fanatics and
facists like you who relentlessly persecute others based on your own indivi-
dual morals.  While you claim to "have no hate for you, only your actions!",
I cannot reciprocate.  I despise you and everything you stand for, not because
of who you are (I have many friends who are Christians and/or very religious),
but solely because of your self-rightous, holier-than-thou actions.  I bear no
love for you and have no respect for your religion or the techings of your 
Jesus.  I have nothing against religion or those who believe in it, only those
who attempt to force it on others who have no desire to have it forced upon 
them.  
  I will wear a dress when and if I so desire, despite your own hatred of this
practice.
  
   Girls, sorry if I upset anyone out there, but I feel very vehemently about 
this subject, having suffered my entire life at the hands of bigots and 
religious fanatics trying to impose their faiths on me.  I also feel very
strongly that you all should be free to choose your religion, Christian or 
otherwise, as long as you don't subject me and others to it against our will. 
I love you all, regardless of religion, and am glad to be one of your "sisters".

                       Love,
                         Joanne
    



   

 
     
 

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