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From: ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Re: Biting utensils
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:58:04 GMT

In article <1780@pacvax.UUCP> lynne@pacersoft.com (Lynne Chantler) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.200520.12822@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> Susan
>Gauch, sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu writes:
>>My favorite response is
>>"If you want to have a doctor in the family, you should enroll
>>in medical school"
>
>Great answer! :-)
>>
>>I much prefer to say "You are a very bright little girl.  You will be
>>able to do whatever you want when you grow up."  This encompasses
>>being a Nobel Prize winner in physics, starting her own company,
>>or just staying home and planting a great garden.  People must choose
>>their own way.
>
This post reminds me of one of my friends from the University of
Virginia.  We jokingly called her "Down-home Dawn"--she is from south
west Virginia, and has a really thick southern accent.  She is an
incredibly gifted individual, and was in the pre-med program. 

She was also in therapy.  She was the only person from her town to
go to UVa, and one of the few people to actually go to college from
her high school.  All her life, she was the best of everything in
her town--she was in a special exchange program to Japan, NHS,
class officer, civic award winner.  Because she was so intelligent,
her whole town pinned their hopes and dreams on her, and she 
was encouraged to become a doctor. When she got to school, she
was invited to particpate in the honors program, which meant that
she was able to reciev priority in enrollment in any class, in any
school at the Unversity.  She got highly involved in all kind of
co-curricular activities, volunteering in the crisis hotline,
you name it.  The reason that I got to know her was that we both
were elected to run a committee at the student union.  We quickly
became friends.

Dawn was pretty depressed.  All her life she had been this
coffee achiever, this model presented to others to look up to.
And when I got to her, she realized that she had no idea what
powered her life.  She had no idea why she was compelled to
run for every available office, or even to be in the pre-med
program.  In fact, all she thought she really wanted to do was
open her own flower shop in her home town, but because of her
intelligence and potential, she was driven to succeed in places
she couldn't care less about.  I felt really sorry for her.  I grew
up a gifted child, but my parents allowed us a lot of freedom of
thought.  They never pushed us, but motivated us.  Iam grateful
for my childhood.

Fortunately, Dawn knew she was in trouble, sought help, and
dropped out of college for a while to get her head together.  I
hope she is happier now. 

I just want to tell the parents of the four year old that being
a genius doesn't mean you have to save the world.  Us geniuses still
have to struggle like evryone else to make the decisions in our daily
lives, and it sure doesn't help to have someone breathing down your
neck because you are supposedly not living up to your potential,
whatever that means.


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Cookies (was Re: Dr.Spock and the Milk Controversy
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 12:47:59 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <25737@oasys.dt.navy.mil> dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
>In misc.kids, bhjelle@carina.unm.edu writes:
>
><deleted stuff about milk controversy>
>>2. The "no more milk and cookies" refrain should be addressed to
>>the cookies (which have no redeeming nutritional value) more
>			 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I take STRONG exception to this point. True, many cookies are just sugary
>nothings, with nothing but empty calories.  However, some cookies are
>a good and healthy as well as enjoyable snack.  I make oatmeal chocolate

Sigh. Before this gets out of hand, I was referring to "most cookies".
Please don't start a flame war over this. It's just not worth it.

Brian
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: maternity clothes...where to buy cheap...when...and what...
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 21:15:34 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

This is to someone who wants to consider maternity clothes (and regular
stuff) cheaply: keep thrift and resale shops in mind. I didn't see the
point in spending lots of money on maternity clothes since I wouldn't be
wearing them forever. I bought a couple of nice things at KMart and most
of my other stuff at the resale shops. You can get good cheap stuff there.
And I agree with whomever mentioned the bikini underwear. They fit under
the abdomen and you don't have to get too much of a larger size.
How many of us had (or are having to) do without shoes? I was teased a bit
at work (all in fun) about not wearing shoes. I worked back in my own
office and wore socks. I kept shoes around just long enough to go outside
with and then threw them under my desk.


* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 20:35:28 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu
Summary: pushing kids

In article <1992Sep28.174219.4216@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>>We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright.  Her preschool
>[stuff on trying to get a 4 year old thinking of a career deleted]
>
>I may be opening up a flame war for asking this, but does anyone
>else think that a 4 year old is just a little *too* young to have
>a career formulated already?  

Yes.  I _can_ understand being concerned that a bright little girl
keep all of her options open in the face of so many subtle pressures
against academic/career success for females, but there are a couple
of things to keep in mind.  One is that kids have been known to
change their minds between pre-school and declaration of a college
major.   What did _you_ want to be when you were four years old?  I 
remember wanting to be a stewardess, because I thought that it would
be neat to fly all the time.  The reason that I didn't say pilot had
less to do with sexism than with the fact that piloting was a much
less visible profession to a 4-yr old.  The other point to note
is that bright young kids have been known to rebel in unfortunate
ways after too much pressure is put on them to succeed along traditional
lines.  I could point you to prime examples in my own family.

I would (and do!) make sure that bright children get to see the
world--the Natural History museum, the Zoo, the mountains, Disneyland,
apple picking, seismic faults, the desert, the science museum... 
I would make sure that bright children have lots of books, and
lots of room to ride their bikes, and finally lots of room
to make their own decisions.

Sue
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: maternity clothes...where to buy cheap...when...and what...
Date: 30 Sep 1992 17:29:31 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu



|> In article <3317@isgtec.isgtec.com>, mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers) writes:
|> > 
|> > Also, see if you can find nice maternity lingerie.  My wife has
|> > actually thought of designing her own line of maternity nighgowns,
|> > suitable for stores like Victoria's Secret -- thus far she hasn't
|> > been able to find anything for the pregnant woman that didn't 
|> > involve yards and yards of flannel.  Does anyone else know of this
|> > sort of thing?

Houston's Erotic Cabaret (store--mostly lingerie, plus things for 
teens to offend their parents by wearing) had queen-size lacey 
things that could cover even the hugest pregnant belly. ;-)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Ritalin - side effects
Date: 6 Oct 1992 10:47:53 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


A friend of mine has a troublesome 8yo who they want to put on Ritalin.
 She told them she would look into it before deciding.

She spent quite a few hours in the library, and from waht she has
found, it seems that there are possibly some side effets that do not
show up for 10 years.  I am sorry I don't know the details, but I felt
this was worthy of being posted.

She has decided NOT to administer it to her son, explaining to the Drs.
that she has to deal with him in 10 years, and prefers to keep him as
he is.  NOTE: He is not very disruptive in school, and he is very
active but bored easily.  I think his step-dad has alot to do with his
attitude.  This is a case of ADD being diagnosed when I feel the Drs.
haven't a clue as to the real problem.  the psychologist labeled him a troubled kid.

I think that the Drs. are being a bit too quick in diagnosing, and I
think putting a child on drugs to counteract a child who is a busy
thinker and easily bored is bad.

I also think that not managing to bring an out-of-control child around,
esp. in school, is irresponsible.  If my child were disgnosed with such
a problem, I would also try everything else first - though I would be
careful to find a solution quickly.

Just my 2 pesos.

_Shirl
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: stark@wam.umd.edu (Mike Stark)
Subject: Re: YEA, YEA, YEA Baby #3 Is On The Way!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:16:12 GMT

In article <9210011436.AA23787@scgraph.afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@afit.af.mil
writes:

I agree with and endorse everything that mgaudrea says with the exception
of the following:

>Learn everything you can!  I wouldn't recommend doing it unless your
>husband wants to.  He will have an incredible amount of work and
>responsibility at home. 

Of course you should learn everything you can.  I would recommend, however,
that you do everything you can to encourage your husband to learn everything
he can.  Many of our friends have gone to the hospital in part because their
husbands were uncomfortable with a home birth.  Few of these births have turned
out as well as the home birth of our son, Robbie.  The husbands don't have the
same degree of physical involvement in the labor and birth so there is much
less pressure on them to learn.  You must make this pressure.

A lot of people are having babies at home.  Visit a midwife with your husband
and ask a lot of questions.  The more he knows, the better.

In a few weeks we will be having our second child at home.  You couldn't
convince us to do it any other way.

-- 
---Mike Stark                         | stark@umdhep.umd.edu
   Physics Department
   University of Maryland
   College Park, MD  20742
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Toys
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:33:48 GMT

In article <2286@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> susan.davis@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:

>Slime was this green stuff
>that looked like snot and was cold and clammy.

If your snot looks like "Slime", get to a doctor!  That stuff was
fluorescent green!

(I just discovered that "snot" is not in the SunOS 4.1 spelling
dictionary.  I wonder why?)

>Slime was around about 1977-1978.  We saved our allowance for it!
>We also saved for 45 records (Shawn Cassidy and anything from the movie Greese)

We're obviously of different generations, since I remember when his
brother David, of the Partridge Family,  was a teen heart-throb around
1970.  He filled the void left by Davey Jones when NBC cancelled The
Monkees in 1968.  Ah the good old days.

I've decided to start a new cable TV channel, called The Reid's
Childhood Channel.  It'll be reruns of everything that was broadcast
between 1964 and 1972 (from my earliest memories to puberty).  Star
Trek will be on at least five times a day.  Prior to 9 PM, all material
suitable for children (well, I might leave the drug humor in The
Monkees).  Any subscribers?

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:02:09 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct5.201846.6551@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.185738.12143@news.eng.convex.com> newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton) writes:

>>she taught a little girl named feh-mallie.  well, that is how
>>her name was pronounced.  the girls parents were immigrants who

>One of my college roommates told me that on her parent's farm in
>Tennessee, their housemaid's grandmother's first name had been pronounced
>Pay-juh-may.  After the abolishment of slavery and while struggling as

[And a lot of anecdotes related to uncommon names.]

Yeah, this is why I say 'don't do this to your kids.' In large part
because weird names are an underclass marker, and managers and employers
make negative assumptions about people who carry them. Even when they've
seen there work. (Studies have been done attributing work to people with
male, female, and unusual names. Surprise, surprise - the papers received
their lowest ratings when an unusual name was given as the author.)


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: kathyj@pyramid.COM (Kathy Johnson )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Halloween party ideas wanted
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:19:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

In article <410@mindlink.bc.ca>, Christine_Code@mindlink.bc.ca (Christine Code) writes:
|> 
|> > I told my boys that this year we would have a Halloween party.
|> > My boys are 4 & 8, and I'm envisioning that each will invite  3-4
|> > friends, and some of my younger son's friends moms or dads will probably
|> > end up staying, so I won't be doing this by myself.
|> >
|> > Showing a movie seems like a possibility (though it means borrowing a
|> > VCR, since I don't have one).  I've also thought of making caramel
|> > apples.   I haven't come up with anything else that I'm really excited
|> > about, though, for two sort of diverse age groups.  Any ideas would be
|> > greatly appreciated!
|> 
|> If you want to include dinner in your celebrations, here's a neat idea: serve
|> it in a big pumpkin!  Hollow out the pumpkin, but of course don't carve out
|> facial features! ;)   Fill the pumpkin shell with steaming hot soup or stew.
|> For maximum effect, don't tell the kids what's coming - just have them seated
|> around a large table or in a circle on the floor when you bring in the pumpkin
|> and set it in the centre.  Lift the lid, ladle out the dinner, and watch the
|> kids' faces for some neat expressions!   We do this every year and it's lots of

You can carve a face or design on the pumpkin as long as you only cut through the
peel and dont puncture through to the hollow center.  You can use woodworking
tools.  I think some of the potato peelers have a curved blade at the end that
you can use to cut a scoop shaped line in the pumpkin surface.  

|> fun.
|> 
|> BTW, anybody planning a swim party for Halloween?  Or teaching swimming lessons
|> the day before?  If so, let me know (by e-mail as I don't always read this
|> group.)  I have some fun Halloween theme ideas that work well in the pool.
|> 
|> Happy Halloween!
|> 
|> --
|> 
|> ==========================================================================
|> Christine Code                 *
|>                                *  "A bear, however hard he tries,
|> Vancouver, B.C, CANADA         *   Grows tubby without exercise."
|> Christine_Code@MindLink.bc.ca  *                   -A.A. Milne
|> ==========================================================================

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       kathyj@pyramid.com
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From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:10:43 GMT
Organization: AI Program, University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct6.135847.24116@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>
>	Parents unite!  Keep your kids duely drugged and sedated.

Nobody has proposed any such thing.  Ritalin is NOT A SEDATIVE.

>	Just don't complain when they become teenagers and continue
>	the habit.
>
>	Heck  I used to joke about giving my daughter a sleeping pill
>	to calm her down.  I never thought a bunch of people would
>	sanction it through teh medical community.

Ritalin, the drug used to treat attention deficit disorder, is not a
sedative.  It does not "calm people down" unless they have the a disorder
of the part of the brain that regulates alertness (which is what attention
deficit disorder is).  To ordinary people, Ritalin is a stimulant.

(Disclaimer: I'm not an MD.  I do study cognitive psychology.  And we've
heard from dozens of MDs here with essentially the same point about Ritalin.)
-- 
:- Michael A. Covington     internet mcovingt@uga.cc.uga.edu 
:- Artificial Intelligence Programs       phone 706 542-0359
:- The University of Georgia                fax 706 542-0349
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Do kids need to see this?
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:08:40 GMT

In article <66638@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:

[This was from me, Reid Kneeland:]
>> The government has no business controlling what TV stations broadcast,
>> whether it's political, obscene, or both.  This applies to the forced

>The government has plenty of business controlling TV stations, since the
>electromagnetic spectrum is a public resource.  It's not like, say,
>newspapers, where anyone with money can start one.  Contrast this to
>TV, where you can't just go out and start a station, since there is no
>room in the spectrum for it.

The government arguably has some business in licensing specific
frequency bands to stations to avoid conflicts.  That is not the same
thing as regulating content, which was the topic under discussion.  The
fact that there are "only" 80 or so broadcast channels available
doesn't give the government the power to control content.  They do it
anyway, of course, but that's another matter.

It's the parents' job to decide what kids do or don't see on TV, not
the government's.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: sdreynol@isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Motiv Sports phone number?
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:44:48 GMT
Reply-To: sdreynol@maxwell.isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds)
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute

In article <92276.133910MBS4@psuvm.psu.edu> MBS4@psuvm.psu.edu (Michelle Schott) writes:
>The header says it all.  I would like to order the baby jogger from them, but
>I've lost their phone number.  Does anyone have any experience ordering from
>them?  They don't have an 800 number.  do they accept credit cards?  Thanks.
>Any info will be greatly appreciated.
>                                     Michelle Schott


I ordered the Jog R' Cycle (sight unseen) ~5 weeks ago and am still
waiting for it to be delivered.  I called the shippers 800 number (800
229 6684) and apparently they are backordered on the seats.  I thought
about canceling the order but saw the Jog R' Cycle a couple days ago
and definitely think its work the money and wait.

Due to the delay they are selling it to me at dealer cost which is
$106.00.  Add shipping and COD and I am paying ~116.00.  I believe
their regular price is 10% more.

Motiv does NOT accept credit card orders but will ship COD.  Based on
my orders delay, I WOULD NOT PREPAY!

Good luck.
Sam Reynolds

        Motiv's address - Motiv Sports Inc.
                          14211 Yorba St.,  Suite 100
                          Tustin, CA 92680
                          (714) 731-6011
                          FAX (714) 731-6012
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Rubbing backs to put children to sleep
Summary: back rubs
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:40:22 GMT
Organization: AT&T


All my nieces and nephews love to have their backs rubs, especially
rubbing to go to sleep, heck, I love it too, so does my husband!
I also do the back rub game of drawing letters and numbers on their
backs and have them guess what it is....older kids and spouses, use
words and phrases.  It's very relaxing and soothing to have your
back rubbed, thus, aids with sleep.

Christine
mom-2-b in Jan. '93
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore)
Subject: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:07:49 GMT

In article <9209281800.AA17754@fieser.brynmawr.edu> chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
>
>	For some strange reason, wearing slippers signifies being a
>"grown-up".  Probably because my mother always wore slippers and
>always nagged me to as well ("don't you want to put slippers on,
>aren't your feet cold?")  I stopped wearing them once Libby started
>sleeping through the night, although when it's real cold I do wear
>them since they're around anyway.  
>	Anyway that's me.  Having a baby didn't make me feel grown up
>but wearing slippers did.  Go figure.  
>				Lisa
>

For me it was getting perscription sunglasses that signified that I was
a "grown-up" - though I still don't always act it (do any of us?)

Anyone else have these "I guess this means I'm a "grown-up" " experiences?

Paula Moore
paula@helix.nih.gov

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Lisa Chirlian                                  chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu
> Department of Chemistry, Bryn Mawr College, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
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>


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Toys
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:48:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.023111.29527@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>> 
>Did anyone else race home to catch Dark Shadows?

YES!!! I loved that show. Funny, but a few years ago they had some of the
old shows on TV (right before they came out with the new version). Naturally,
I watched an episode. It was awful! My home videos have higher production 
value, and that isnt saying much.

>For reasons that baffle me now, I used to
>have a crush on Jonathon Frid (probably the oldest
>love interest featured in 16 Magazine, where most
>of the featured boys were remarkably unisexual 
>in appearance)

I liked the warewolf myself. I cant remember his name. Staying true to
form, as I got older i always favored men with beards and mustaches. 

Laura Floom