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From: jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (James Tsillas)
Subject: Re: Ellemann-Jensen on Macedonia
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:17:20 GMT


Despite Ellemann-Jensen's irritation Greece will probably continue to
maintain its position. This is not due to xenophobia (as anyone who
knows Greece can see through this, immediately) but to genuine fears
that the identity of the Macedonian provice will be compromised.

Furthermore I find it ironic that the Danish foreign minister should be
talking about EEC unity at this time and to criticize the veto power of
the members.

How would he feel if Skopje chose to name their nation "the Republic of
Copenhagen". Why not "the Republic of Skopje."

Greece is not in the midst of a nationalist outpouring (as is true in
Serbia, Bosnia and Skopje). In fact Greece is heading in the oposite
direction through the EEC. Greece will defend the name "Macedonia" not
for nationalistic reasons but strictly for reasons of sentiment,
pride and identity.

-Jim.






In article <C17qGI.1J2@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> cla04@keele.ac.uk (A.T.
Fear) writes:

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   From: cla04@keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
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   Date: 21 Jan 93 16:43:29 GMT
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   I wonder what people have to say about Greek claims of EEC unity on
the
   Greek stance on Macedonia in light of the following remarks by Uffe
   Ellemann-Jensen:

   'I am extremely irritated by this Greek stance because it is
tantamount
   to questioning our solidarity as well.  It is ridiculous to believe
this
   small, landlocked country [i.e.  Macedonia ATF] is kind of threat.
We
   have felt some kind of hostage, a hostage of the veto right....  I am
   really afraid of how history will judge my contribution and others
   because we have tried to brake recognition of a small independant
   country which has lived up to all the requirements of international
law'

   The Guardian report by John Palmer goes on to note ' The other EC
   governments privately share the Danish minister's exasperation with
what
   they see as a dangerous campaign by Greek politicians to whip up a
   xenophobic popular campaign against Macedonian recognition.'


   Andy
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Greek Philosophy is a Joke
Date: 27 Jan 1993 14:39:36 -0600
Organization: Delco Electronics Corporation
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agscrib@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur Scribner) writes:

  But just to warn you, I know what I'm talking about. I've spent years
  researching these things. In case you're wondering, I am a computer engineer
  with the Dept. of Defense. History, Ancient Civilzations etc.. is a hobby and
  a commitment to set the record straight.

1,$s/Dept. of Defense/AT&T, Chicago, IL/

(esoteric joke for line editor fans only :-)

Spiros
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From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: More on Macedonia (was Re: Greece reacts sharply to remarks by 
 Danish foreign)
Date: 25 Jan 93 04:21:50 GMT
 <1993Jan21.204939.9160@exu.ericsson.se> 
 <C1A4BM.3w@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
 <1993Jan23.101235.11130@informix.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1993Jan23.101235.11130@informix.com>
rika@informix.com (Rika Tsitsinia) writes:

> 	I would whole-heartedly accept the new slogan. But tell me:
>     Are there a Greek Macedonia, Bulgarian Macedonia, Albanian
>     Macedonia and the Macedonia? Who are these last guys?
>     The originals? Why no qualification, no prefix for them? 
>     And what are the bounds of Macedonia, anyway? Is there
>     a Serbian Macedonia? A Hungarian one? Who fixed the bounds
>     and when? And why?
Well, my point (which I've made elsewhere) is that the Greeks seem to
think that they have a monopoly on the right to use the term
"Macedonia".  They do have a right to use the term, but so do other
countries which cover part of what was originally Macedonia, ie.
Bulgaria and the new country in question which was formerly the
southernmost of the Yugoslav republics.  Greece, in an attempt to show
that only it can use the word 'Macedonia' is blockading and trying to
starve Macedonia in an attempt to force it to change its name to
something like 'Skopje Republic'.
> 
> >--Ted Schuerzinger
> >email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
> >"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
> >was 'Russian Vodka'."
> 
> 	It could be 'Macedonian Vodka'. Then, would you know where the
>     stuff comes from?
I'm sure the Greeks would claim it came from Greece, or else have a fit
if any non-Greeks tried to manufacture 'Macedonian Vodka'!
> 
> 	Georgios


--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
see my signature above
From: phssvb@emory.edu (Spiros V. Branis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: DANISH STATEMENTS...
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:53:59 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

ATHENS, Greece -- Greece reacted sharply Thursday to remarks by
Danish Foreign Minister Uffe Ellemann-Jensen in support of European
Community recognition of the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia.
 Government spokesman Vassilis Magginas said Jensen ``attacked Greece
without provocation,'' and was expressing his personal views, not those
of the Community.
        He was responding to remarks made by the Danish minister in the
European Parliament in Strasbourg, France, in which he criticized Athens
for using its veto to block EC recognition of the former Yugoslav
republic under the name ``Macedonia.''
        Denmark currently holds the rotating presidency of the Community.
Jensen said: ``Greece has acted unreasonably. I am ashamed of the Greek
attitude.'' He said the other 11 members of the Community ``have just
about had enough of Greece's obstruction.''
        The Greek government spokesman said Jensen's remarks were
unacceptable, and Greece would raise the issue at the next meeting of E.
C. foreign minister.
  Earlier, Minister of State Andreas Andrianopoulos read a statement to
the press, issued after a Greek cabinet meeting, saying Greece condemned
Jensen's remarks ``as being improper and unacceptable, since he makes
groundless accusations.''
        Andrianopoulos said the Danish minister's remarks ``are contrary to
the principles of Community solidarity,'' and contradictory to a
decision on the issue taken at the EC summit in Edinburgh, Scotland, in
November.
        Athens opposes the former Yugoslav republic's use of the name
``Macedonia,'' which is also the name a northern Greek province.
 Greek analysts say the issue dates back to the cold war era when Tito
and Stalin used the name ``Macedonia'' for the republic as part of a
conspiracy to seize Greek territory. Tito supported Communist guerrillas
in the Greek civil war of 1947-49.
        The analyst said the group now in power in Skopje were simply
continuing the Stalinist-era cold war policies, and the newly
independent republic's use of the name indicated it still harbored
expansionist designs on Greek territory.
    Jensen described Greece as an EC ``member-state which feels
threatned by a country smaller than itself.''
  Western analysts said Greece has not made its point lucidly enough to
the world community, and has failed to explain that the former Yugoslav
republic of Macedonia was set up by a group responsible for terrorism in
the Balkans before World War II.
        Greece's fears are justified, the analysts said, because the group
had won respectability after coming to power, but hard-liners in the
present Skopje government had to be viewed as potential troublemakers.

=====
Spiros
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos)
Subject: eleftherh thesh ergasias
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:09:02 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

Geia chara se olous aytoy ekso!!!

Echw ena filaraki poy doyleyei se mia epicheirhsh software-engeneering edw sth Germania kai psachnei na brei doyleia sthn Ellada.

Echei teleiwsei mathhmatikos sthn Thes/nhkh me eidhkeysh stoys yl. ypolog.
Edw ekane metekpaideysh sthn Nixdorf kai doyleyei twra ypw thn BMG (Bertelsmann Group ...).

Opoios mporei na moy dwsei kapoia stoicheia, kapoies dieythhnseis sthn Ellada, tha ton/thn parakaloysa na mou ta steilei me e-mail. 

Eycharistw polh.


-- 
Panos Tsiantopoulos.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,alt.news.macedonia
From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Subject: Re: Ellemann-Jensen on Macedonia
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:45:59 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

In article <1993Jan24.190459.4579@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
|> Leo J Irakliotis (irakliot@lance.colostate.edu) writes:
|> >The population in the GYRM is a mixture of
|> >many ethnic groups and none of them is Macedonian.
|> 
|> Who decides that? You or them?

Historians perhaps? Ethnologists? Int'l treaties? Surely not me.

But should you wish to exchange oppinions get some language first,
civilize yourself, otherwise, please return back in yout cave.


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,alt.news.macedonia
From: eifrig@beanworld.cs.jhu.edu (Jonathan Eifrig)
Subject: Orwellian NewSpeak (Was: Ellemann-Jensen on Macedonia)
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:59:46 GMT

In article <JTSILLA.93Jan21131720@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu>
jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (James Tsillas) writes:

>Greece will defend the name "Macedonia" not
>for nationalistic reasons but strictly for reasons of sentiment,
>pride and identity.
>
>-Jim.

	Is this great or what?  Gee, Jim, what exactly is the difference
between "reasons of sentiment, pride, and identity" and "nationalistic
reasons", other than the former are GoodWords and the later BadWords?

	This is going to be a great group ....  :-)

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
	"There is a sharp disagreement among competent men as to what can be
proved and what cannot be proved, as well as an irreconcilable difference of
opinion as to what is sense and what is nonsense."
		- Eric Temple Bell, "Debunking Science"

Jack Eifrig (eifrig@cs.jhu.edu)       The Johns Hopkins University, C.S. Dept.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:12391 soc.culture.soviet:12309 soc.culture.turkish:14659 soc.culture.usa:9989 soc.culture.yugoslavia:10616
From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Subject: Re: ONOMA TOY NEWSGROUP ! ! !
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:24:47 GMT

gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:

>In article <rizos.727715051@cs.man.ac.uk> rizos@cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou) writes:
>>Me aformh to ar0ro toy Alki Argyropoyloy, stalmeno apo ton
>>kilitzir@cyprus.csd.uch.gr (Kilitzirakis christos 122), 0a
>>h0ela na rwthsw ton apostolea, giati to onoma Greece, Greek, 
>>klp. einai "xeftila" kai odhgei se syneirmoys toy typoy 
>>"douloi"; Den prokeitai mhpws gia onomasia me arxaiotath
>>riza, isws arxaioteri apo to Ellas, den htan o agwnistis toy
>>'21 poy elege `Egw Graikos gennithika, Graikos the na pethanw',
>>kai den htan oi idioi oi katoikoi toy neosystatoy mikroy 
>>basileioy twn arxwn toy perasmenoy aiwna, poy protimoysan na
>>onomazontai Graikoi;
>>
>>--r.


>Kai pou o basilias hthele na legetai "Rois de Grecs" alla
>h pulh kai oi alloi megaloi tou zhthsan na legetai "Rois de Hellenes"
>gia na mhn exei dikaiwmata stous xristianous twn othwmanwn!

To opoio, an einai akribes, deixnei thn antistoixia gia toys dytikoys 
toy Greek me to Rvmios, to Rum millaet opvs to onomazan oi Toyrkoi. To 
Greek den payei na einai mia dianohtikh kataskeyh poy epiblhuhke apo ejv 
kai telika exei/eixe meivtiko periexomeno.

Alla bebaia ena megalo kratos sta Balkania den htan ayto poy ua protimoysan 
kai etsi oi laoi tvn Balkanivn trejan na anasysthsoyn krath basismena se 
mesaivnikoys kai arxaioys myuoys. Les kai h rvmaikh aytokratoria htan pote
ellhnikh. Isvs ton kairo tvn Palaiologvn alla toso o Dushan ths Serbias 
oso kai oi Asen ths Bulgarias den ekrycan tis bleceis gia ton urono ths
aytokratorias. Aplvs o Palaiologos prolabe na janaparei thn Polh.

						Xairetv,
						Giannis.
From: trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au (Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE)
Subject: Re: Errors (?) in the greek approach in the Macedonian issue.
Organization: University of New South Wales
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:38:52 GMT

: 
: But the point is that Greece *is* blockading Macedonia.  If they want
: to have a province in their own country called Macedonia, fine.  If
: Bulgaria wants to do so, too, that's fine as well.  And if this former
: republic of Yugoslavia wants to keep its name (Macedonia), that's fine
: too.  They shouldn't be blockaded in an attempt to be forced into
: changing their name.  Note that the Greeks on the net don't admit to
: the blockade against Macedonia.
: 

	Greece is not blockading Skopjia. This is a fact not proven by 
repeating it an increadable number of times but by the fact that Greece
is suplying humaniterian aid. In terms of economic ties, what do you think
Greece should do to a hostile nation. Quite a few times Skopjia have blockaded
the boarder not allowing Greek Trucks to pass. If you are Greek and you travel
north you pay to cross the boarder when they allow you. Otherwise you have
better luck. Simple ignorance on the topic is the reason that this subject
does not atract discussion any more. This subject has been beeten to death. 
Simply put that.
	"SIMPLY THE NAME IS NOT THE PROBLEM"
	What is the problem is .. your problem to find out. It cannot be 
repeated enough times. You don't know the true history of the regeon (not 
what your fed). The Western countries did not know enough on what's happening
and why inthe whole regeon. Now look at that mess.
	be hearing from ya. Do a little study first.
		George
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From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Ellemann-Jensen on Macedonia
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:42:13 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

In article <C1GJ8L.xF@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:

|> And are they produced by the government - no. I dare say in Greece you
|> can find maps produced by Enosis fascists showing Cyprus as part of
|> Greece. It would be silly to use these as evidence of the intentions of
|> the Greek government. Your argument is of the same ilk.

Since you appeared previously so interested in an honourable way of arguing,
I have a map of FYRM showing northern Greece as a part of their land. The
map was publihed by a newspaper. Do you have any similar evidence regarding
Greece?

|> Funny because the rest of the world (take for example the Minority
|> Rights Group) seems to think such a group does exist. Recent persecution
|> of some of its members on serves to aid such claims (if they still
|> exist) -,time for a little of that rare Balkan commodity tolerance?

The persons under trial in Greece are not members of any minority. 
And there are no ethnic minorities in Greece, according to US Dept of State
and other respectable sources of information. Should you wish to quote
MRG as a reliable source of information please do. You are as much reliable
as they are.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: trevore@vast.unsw.edu.au (Trevor Elbourne (Supr. Hell) BE)
Subject: Neo group gia Makedonia !!!
Organization: University of New South Wales
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:20:34 GMT

	Se ena message pou ekana reply, ena apo ta news groups htan 
alt.news.macedonia !!
	Twra ti kanoume; Hsws na pame ekei mexri o Arxid na to brei :-)

		Giorgis
PS: To news group omws den to labenoume edw.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,alt.news.macedonia
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Ellemann-Jensen on Macedonia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:33:30 GMT

sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:

>You may call yourself Leo because that's the name of my cousin (he 
>lied). You persist? For over a year? How odd you are! You don't even 
>want a little arbitation commission? Oh, come on be constructive! We
>can surely sort out the issue. Maybe we can reach a compromise with 
>calling you <something> Leo. Stupid Leo, maybe?

 Pretty pathetic answer for someone who's disgusted by the 90% of the Greeks.

>-- 
>Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se

 Panos Tamamidis
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From: jtsilla@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu (James Tsillas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Orwellian NewSpeak (Was: Ellemann-Jensen on Macedonia)
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:47:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: damon.JTSILLA.93Jan22164751
	<JTSILLA.93Jan21131720@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu>
	<1993Jan22.165946.3050@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA

In article <1993Jan22.165946.3050@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> eifrig@beanworld.cs.jhu.edu (Jonathan Eifrig) writes:


   >for nationalistic reasons but strictly for reasons of sentiment,
   >pride and identity.
   >
   >-Jim.

	   Is this great or what?  Gee, Jim, what exactly is the difference
   between "reasons of sentiment, pride, and identity" and "nationalistic
   reasons", other than the former are GoodWords and the later BadWords?

Gosh, Jack, you must have just tuned in. Sentiment and pride refer to the
history of the region which according to geography sits mostly within Greece.
Identity is what 1.5 million Greeks are trying to hold onto since their
province is called Macedonia. Nationalism (the  BadWord :-) is what the
Skopje constitution is full of (along with lots more newspeak).

	   This is going to be a great group ....  :-)

Oh, I forgot to mention MortarFire which is a BadWord and which is what
every Macedonian Greek wants avoid.

-Jim.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Demirel threatens Cyprus
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:27:44 GMT

serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas) writes:

>>From NEOS KOSMOS, Monday 25/1/93

>>Demirel: "The Cypriots may regret the day they were born from their mothers".

>It seems like an answer to a provocative
>journalist who was looking for exactly this reaction

 To me it seems like an answer that a "pezeveng" would give.
 Such a person Demirel is !!!  

>serdar boztas			serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au

 Panos Tamamidis
From: Nick Gavrielatos@harvard.harvard.edu (NICK@UMD.BITNET)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Euxaristw gia tis odhgies
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:43:36 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Filoi mou kaloi, sas euxaristw gia tis odhgies!

Nick Gavrielatos
To Sixameno Plasma
NICK@UMD.BITNET
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:12509 soc.culture.europe:11399 soc.history:10955
From: rika@informix.com (Rika Tsitsinia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: More on Macedonia (was Re: Greece reacts sharply to remarks by
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:14:01 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <C1E6sF.K5x@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.101235.11130@informix.com>
>rika@informix.com (Rika Tsitsinia) writes:
>
>> 	I would whole-heartedly accept the new slogan. But tell me:
>>     Are there a Greek Macedonia, Bulgarian Macedonia, Albanian
>>     Macedonia and the Macedonia? Who are these last guys?
>>     The originals? Why no qualification, no prefix for them? 
>>     And what are the bounds of Macedonia, anyway? Is there
>>     a Serbian Macedonia? A Hungarian one? Who fixed the bounds
>>     and when? And why?
>Well, my point (which I've made elsewhere) is that the Greeks seem to
>think that they have a monopoly on the right to use the term
>"Macedonia".  They do have a right to use the term, but so do other
>countries which cover part of what was originally Macedonia, ie.
>Bulgaria and the new country in question which was formerly the
>southernmost of the Yugoslav republics. 

	I have answered about who tries to get the exclusive rights.
    However, when you say, "what was originally Macedonia", what
    are you referring to? Open a book about the ever changing
    geographic bounds assigned to the name. Then learn about the
    Treaty of San Stefano and who labeled the whole area that I
    suspect you are referring to, as Macedonia and why.

	Georgios
    

Greece, in an attempt to show
>that only it can use the word 'Macedonia' is blockading and trying to
>starve Macedonia in an attempt to force it to change its name to
>something like 'Skopje Republic'.
>> 
>> >--Ted Schuerzinger
>> >email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
>> >"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
>> >was 'Russian Vodka'."
>> 
>> 	It could be 'Macedonian Vodka'. Then, would you know where the
>>     stuff comes from?
>I'm sure the Greeks would claim it came from Greece, or else have a fit
>if any non-Greeks tried to manufacture 'Macedonian Vodka'!
>> 
>> 	Georgios
>
>
>--Ted Schuerzinger
>email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
>see my signature above
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,alt.news.macedonia
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Subject: Re: Ellemann-Jensen on Macedonia
Organization: Keele University, England
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:06:49 GMT

From article <C19Fyz.2o9@ecf.toronto.edu>, by androut@ecf.toronto.edu (ANDROUTSOS DIMITRIOS):
> 
> 	It is the HISTORICAL threat that Pseudo-Macedonia poses, that Greece
> is the most worried about.
> 
Why are slavic, or Albanian or whatever Macedonians  any more 'pseudo'
than Greek ones and want exactly is this 'historical'threat?

Andy