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From: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sun.bike
Subject: Truck bed racks
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:01:43 GMT
Reply-To: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
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I need to put a rack in the bed of my truck (Mazda B2200 pickup) and I'm
looking for opinions as to which ones work well. The 2 I've looked at are
the Road Gear which is just a fork mount with quick-releases that clamps
onto the lip of the truck bed (about $35) and one from Cannondale which
is a bar that pressure mounts across the bed and has fork mounts along
it (about $85 but comes with 2 fork mounts).

The Cannondale looks nice but has no security features at all (it can be
taken out in about 15 secs!). The Road Gear ones can be screwed down so
they'd be a bit harder to remove. In either case I'll still have to get
a chain to secure the bikes.

Has anyone installed either of these on a truck with a bed-liner and if
so did you have to cut the bed-liner. Someone suggested that I use the Road
Gear one and just screw it to the bed-liner and that it would be stable enough.
Anyone tried that? I was told to put a strip of metal underneath to make
it stronger. I'd also appreciate ideas on how to secure the bikes, chains etc



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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Accident on a Bike/Ped P
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:22:12 GMT

Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber) writes:
> On 08-12-92 Bob Geer wrote ... 
> 
> BG> From my own experience, looking back to the left causes a swerve to 
> BG> the left, looking back to the right causes a swerve to the right.  I 

> I guess that's what makes my bike club, Northwest Cycling Club, stand out. 
> The club sponsors a race team as well as having recreational riders. 

As far as I know, that concept hasn't worked here, much as I would
like to see it happen.  My recollection of meetings & rides consist of
impressions of the fast guys standing aloofly together telling each
other how great they are, occassionally condescending to tell us
"civilians" how dopey our equipment was, & invariably running off the
women by being immature, insensitive, macho-jerks.  Wish it had been
different...

> Don't forget dog walkers who know they own the whole path! 

Don't you just that love brown streak up the back of your rear Delta
brake?

Anyone who drives a car & is impatient with cyclists & walks their dog
on a bike path should open game for selection as victim of honor at
the semi-nonrandom depopulation project banquet!
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Gan Insurance to pick up Sponsorhip of Team Z
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 01:05:59 GMT

bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
: A French Insurance company, Gan, will take over sponsorship
: of Team Z.

So, are they going to ride bright pink Mercier bikes?  Will Pou-Pou pull
a Reg Harris and come out of retirement at age 54?

Harry ":-)" Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Lead and Commuting
Keywords: Commuting pollution
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:24:29 GMT

A little factoid about lead in gasoline.  Yes leaded gas has higher levels of 
lead than unleaded but:
  lead and other heavy metals can be leached out of the body with certain
     vitamens
  unleaded gas is more cancer causing than leaded and nobody knows how to
     get cancer out of the body
 - Eric
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: Q: What kind of clipless pedals and shoes to buy?
Keywords: clipless pedals
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:56:15 GMT

gcarter!gcarter (George Carter) writes:

>I would be interested in the overall assessment of those that 
>have used both Avocet touring shoes with clips and SPD concerning which
>is better?  I haven't tried SPD but so far my impression is the
>disadvantages outweigh the advantages (with respect to clips --
>they are clearly superior to other clipless systems for most
>(non-racing) cyclists.

[section deleted]

>While the advantages of SPD with respect to other clipless systems
>are clear, what are the advantages with respect to the Avocet touring
>shoe? 

>gcarter@infoserv.com

I would agree with Mr. Carter here, though as touring and touring 
shoes aren't as 'sexy' as real 'racing' equipment they will only be
popular with that small section of cyclists for whom bicycles are not
just sunny Sunday toy (which is why Shimano will need to sell a 'real' 
racing version if it wants to take over the pedal/shoe market like it 
has everything else).  Touring shoes with clips and straps are a very
good option for cycle commuters, utility cyclists, and tourers.  One
advantage Mr. Carter leaves out is that they are much cheaper than any
of the clipless pedals, especially if one is upgrading.  

One thing to note is that Avocet is not the only company making touring
shoes.  Diadora makes a decent shoe with slots in the soles to help grip
the pedals (though not stiff enough for some), Duegi also makes a very
nice touring shoe which is very stiff (with a smooth sole, but I've never
slipped out of the pedals when I didn't want to), Sidi also makes a nice
shoe, similar to the Diadora but seemingly a bit stiffer (I've only seen
this shoe, never worn one).  One further advantage to these shoes (but
not the Avocets) is that they look like normal shoes, black leather
(note for those of the vegetarian persuasion), with minimal on-board
advertising (the Duegi's can be cut off).

One combination which I have found usefull is the Duegi shoes,
Powergrips (which demand a smooth sole to work well, though the other
shoes also work, I don't know if the Avocets would work as they appear
to have a fairly aggresive tread pattern), and cheap alloy platform
pedals (this is because they are used in the winter and corrode pretty
quickly).  This system has:  1) quick, twist of foot release, 2) the
ability (easy) to pedal on either side of the pedal, 3)  the
ability (also easy) to pedal while not in the straps, 4) all of the
walking advantages of SPDs (plus above mentioned fashion plusses), 5)
cheap (the whole system less than $80).


Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
From: henk@fudd.frcs.alt.za (Henk Coetzee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Young white male in red sports car
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:56:21 GMT
Organization: FRCS mail/news uucp point


This thread is interesting. The worst drivers I know are late adolescents
in red cars with lots of valves. There seems to be some sort of 
obsession with this. At the same time, these cars go down well
with the yuppies who cycle, so the behaviour cannot be purely
determined from the car, except for the middle aged heart attack
candidates in Mecedes' and large BMWs.

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From: karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Stop My Spokes:TrashBar Wheel Editorial
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:30:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Aug20.013056.27274
Distribution: rec
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <71399@apple.Apple.COM> ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House) writes:
>Todd S. (pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu) writes:
>
>(Yes, I've bought an occasional component or tire from Nashbar
>but wouldn't touch a bike or frame or wheel from them or (almost)
>any other mail order place.  Too many ways they can screw up, and
>too far to go to get them to make good.)
>-- 

I have a set of Nashbar heavy duty touring wheels and have used them on
my commuting bike for 2 winters now.  [They have sealed bearings.]  They
have only needed minor tweeking with a spoke wrench and have had one 
bearing cartridge rust in all that time.  The only complaint that I 
have is the seam in the rim is a bit sloppy.  These wheels have seen
plenty of potholes, sand, and salt.

Two of my friends also have the same wheel set and have had no complaints
(other than the seam in the rim).  One uses them for year-round commuting
and touring.

I have also purchased a touring bike from nashbar (mail order) and it 
was a fine bike with no problems.  The wheels stayed true and the bike
needed only routine adjustment until it crashed at about 1500 miles and
went to the bent frame graveyard.

Just got tired of all you guys bashing Nashbar.  My only complaint is
that they never seem to have everything (esp. tools) I want when I call 
them up to place an order.

Karen Walrath
MIT
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson)
Subject: Correct seat height?
Reply-To: miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:56:40 GMT

I'm hoping some of you netters may have experienced this same problem
and can offer suggestions.  I ride a 25 inch hybrid and have the seat
raised where my leg is at virtually full extension when the pedal is at
bottom dead center.  This is the general "rule of thumb" I've been
told at numerous bike shops.  The problem is that while riding I gradually
slide forward on the saddle.  I don't notice it until I've managed to slip 
so far forward that I need to reposition myself backwards.  Is this a 
function of needing to raise the saddle still higher or possably needing
to reposition the saddle horizontally on the post?  Any help will be
appreciated.  

Rather than tie up bandwidth, please respond via email.  Many thanks in 
advance.


      
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From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: The Kancamagus Highway
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:16:05 GMT

In article <9208111915.AA05994@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> ervolina@pkmfgvm2.VNET.IBM.COM (Tom Ervolina) writes:
>I'm planning a 10 day bike tour through the Northeast Kingdom of Vermont
>and the White Mountains of New Hampshire.  The route looks great except
>that we'll probably be doing Route 16 from Gorham to Conway and then
>crossing the Kancamagus Highway during Labor Day weekend.  The National
>Forest person I called warned that the traffic gets pretty heavy then but
>couldn't really give the bikers perspective.  Is anyone familiar with
>the area?  Are there decent shoulders along these routes?  How hard is
>the Kancamagus climb (compared to, say, Smugglers Notch in VT)?  Please
>respond by e-mail.  Thanks.

Being a major tourist attraction, the Kancamagus is sure to have heavy
traffic, but riding there shouldn't be a problem.  I'd personally be a
lot more worried about North Conway traffic.  You'll certainly want to
take West Side road to circumvent it (go right at the first traffic
light in North Conway, then left at the next intersection (about 1
mile).  From there, it's about 5 miles to route 16.

For a more scenic route (but with more climbing), turn right onto rt.
302 in Jackson (instead of left towards N. Conway).  Go about 6 miles
to Bartlett, then left on Bear Notch Road (keep your eyes open; I
don't think it's well marked).  This takes you straight over Bear
Notch to the Kancamagus.

The Kancamagus pass is a good climb but not steep; certainly nothing
like Smuggler's notch.

Good luck,

John_Ampe@att.com
From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Specialized '93 News
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:32:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug20.213250.14962
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

.edu> Donald Jackson Pickett <dp32+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>More MTB rumors and news:
>Don
>
Specialized also says they will offer road framesets in '93,
including one similar to the '92 Epic (if not the same).
Currently the only framesets they offer are certain MTB
framesets from the S-works series.
-CAse
From: ward@stokes.ae.utexas.edu ((Steven) Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: SPD pedals
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:08:51 GMT
Distribution: rec.bicycles
Organization: CFD Lab, Dept ASE-EM, University of Texas at Austin


Anybody out there have any good hints on care and feeding of SPD 525
pedals?  Out of the box they come with big globs of grease, nice and
ready to suck up debris.  Are there any neat-o tricks to keeping these
guys in top shape?

Thanks

Steve Ward
ward@cfdlab.ae.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Another Clipless Pedal ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:17:45 GMT

kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes:
>	He said thy are easy to clip into, they give lots of
>free rotation and they are light.
>	Disadvantages:  Not good for off-road.  He said when sand
>gets into the spring mechanism of the cleat, it jams the action
>and has to be cleaned out before it will work properly.  Also
>his cleats were high because the original Speedplay cleats are
>meant for Time-drilled shoes and he had Look-drilled shoes, so
>he ahd to attach the Look-to-Time adaptor plate between his
>shoes and cleats.
(Talking about Byrne Speedplays) They do have lots of free rotation but no
lateral movement as with Time.
-Terry
From: 880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Rubber Valves
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:45:43 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


   I have one of these at home.  My brother brought it back from
Europe last summer.  He had a flat while cycling through Turkey
and this was the only type he could find in that area ( I don't
know where in Turkey he was).  He bought a presta when he found one
but this made a good emergency tube, even though it doesn't hode
air very well, and is hard to pump up.


Stacy Janes	Bell_Northern Research, 	Ottawa,	Ontario

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From: jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Jan Wysocki)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB racing in Olympic Games
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:48:08 GMT
Reply-To: jan@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Organization: Vision Laboratory, Queen Mary & Westfield College.

In article <1992Aug13.181849.24863@lrmsc.loral.com>, robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960) wrote:
|> >
|> And just what the hell is solo synchronized swimming synchronized with
|> anyway?

Music, but they cheat by having underwater loudspeakers, thus showing that they
have no sense of rythm.

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From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:29:24 GMT

Ralph Smith writes:

>> No! And no one has even gone 100 mph.  Now that you mention it, I think
>> it would be a great idea to see how fast Howard's bike could be ridden
>> on rollers.  I suspect, not at all, because the gear is so high that no
>> one could get it moving enough to stay up.
>
> That makes ME wonder ... How did Howard ever get that bike rolling on the
> salt flats?

He was towed to 100 mph but I'm not sure I can believe at what speed
he was disconnected because the whole concept is so non bicycle that
how much was towed, how much was not, and to what degree becomes
blurred.  It is evident from the bike, the clothing, and the speed and
power involved in this event that the physical strength of the rider
is a mere passenger in comparison.  The endeavor involved hundreds of
horsepower and commensurate air speeds.

I detect that you didn't catch earlier notes on this subject but it has
been discussed at length.  The air flow around a wind screen is one of the
main points of contention and maybe we had better not revisit that.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bottom Bracket woes
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:23:11 GMT
Reply-To: sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh



My bottom bracket problem has been resolved.  I went to another bike
shop, which had this special tool - as described by other posters in this
newsgroup - which clamps over the adjustable cup, allowing larger torque
to be applied.  The shop also tapped out and cleaned the threads to
prevent a recurrence of the problem.

I have fitted a Shimano sealed unit which should reduce maintenance.  I
had to get a the triple chainset model; even though I have ony a double
chainset, the cranks are quite thick and chainstay clearance was a
problem.  I notice that the double model has plastic cups, whilst the
triple has steel ones - any reason for this ?

The last part of the problem is to deal with the original shop which employs
evolutionary-challenged mechanics...

Thanks to all who responded by e-mail :

	Andrew Newman, Eric Praetzel, Greg Larkin, Tom Kunich,
	Bob Engel,

and those who followed-up the original article in the newsgroup.

STF
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins)
Subject: Re: Young white male in red sports car
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:36:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.024636.24995@unixg.ubc.ca> slais02@unixg.ubc.ca (Robyn Stewart) writes:
.
.
>He *slowed down* matching my speed a safe distance behind me, waited
>until the road straightened out a bit enough that I could tell the 
>oncoming lane was clear, and he waved a friendly thank you as I gestured for 
>him to pass.
>
For some reason this behavior always makes me nervous.  I usually
cycle in rural areas that are well ridden and consequently
most drivers are courteous (they are used to cyclists I guess)
But when a driver slows down and follows behind me, I never
am sure what he is going to do or what he expects me to do.
I appreciate a driver getting around me as quickly as possible
while giving me at least 3 feet of clearance.

Just my $.03 (inflation)
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From: harlow@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Lubricants
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:02:09 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Hi,
   I'm attempting to save money by doing all my MTB maintainence and would like
some words of advice on what lubricants to use. I'm looking for a light
lubricant for my chain and derailleurs and a heavier grease for hubs, bottom
bracket, pedals, and headset. Your recomendations are most welcome.

Stephen

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng)
Subject: Re: MYTH or FACT: Do bicycle helmets wear out from age?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
	<1992Aug19.105338.28575@walter.cray.com> <dtaylor.714286793@milton>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:43:36 GMT

Every one has talked about deterioration of the foam/shell so far. How
about the strap? On my ancient Bell (you know the white one with the
orange strap with the steel D buckles circa 1980) tourlite (?), the
straps faded from orange to a very pale red. It now sits on the shelf
in the basement because I can no longer trust the strap to hold while
my head slide on the road.

Any comments?
--

Spencer Cheng     scheng@BNR.CA  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada  613-763-4046
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Women's Tour de France updates anyone?
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:05:05 GMT

jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>Is there anyone on the net who's keeping track of the women's Tour de France
>that's on at the moment?   Down here I can get about three lines in the paper

3 LINES???!!!  You have access to a better newspaper than I!

I too have an inquiring mind & would like to see details on how the
US, Canadian, NZ, AU women are doing.  & of course, Ms. Longo aka
Ciparelli if she's racing.

So, someone please post results.  Thanx.
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