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From: jgrape@coos.dartmouth.edu (Johan A. Grape)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux - the future? [really: TeX flames]
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:50:57 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Nov11.171217.150315@watson.ibm.com> njs@watson.ibm.com (Nick Simicich) writes:
>In article <peterd.721323574@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com> peterd@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers) writes:
>>keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith) writes:
>>
>>>Hmm,  I know a *LOT* of secretaries.  Not one of which has ever even
>>>*THOUGHT* of doing any mathmatics typesetting. 
>
>[....]
>
>>Of course there are secretaries out there who typeset mathematics -
>>they just happen to work for people who write papers or textbooks that
>>require mathematics typesetting. You don't think the chairman of the
>>math department at your local college types his papers himself, do
>>you? 
>>
>>As a data point, someone I know who is a secretary for a professor at
>>MIT does do mathematical typesetting, and uses TeX for it. It may be
>>complicated, but it's simpler than the alternatives.
>
>I have a friend who used to make her living as a mathametical typist,
>freelancing typing papers and thesises (sp? thesi?) for folks before
>TeX.  (She used a Selectric with symbol typeballs, and also presapply
>transfer symbol sheets, and some hand drawing...)  I showed her LaTeX
>and equation typing stuff, and she knew why she was not getting that
>sort of work anymore, but she wasn't real impressed.  Recently, I
>showed her the Word-for-Windows equation editor, and she was a lot more
>impressed.
>
>Secretaries around here who use Unix workstations use Frame or
>Interleaf.  Or they use OS/2 and one of the wysiwyg products.  But
>before workstations, and before PCs, most of them used GML, on IBM
>Script, on the mainframes.
>
>I think that the answer is that Secretaries may be smarter and more
>adaptable than many folks give them credit for.


If you whip out Leslie Lamport's little LaTeX manual you will find
a quote of either Kernigan or Richie (don't remember which at this
moment) which goes:

	"What you see is all you get"

I wrote my Master's thesis with Word 5, and it was a joke.  The
current WYSIWYG editors are a joke because the formatting is 
not rigorously defined.  Equations come out ok with the new 
editor they supply, but it can not be called type-setting.  It is
ridiculous to go through a document in "print-preview", correct
all errors and then print it to find pages missing.  Formatting
styles different in appearance etc.  With Xdvi I have never seen this. To
me typesetting means "book-like" or "having the appearance of
being professionally printed".  Your $200.- do it all Word
processor can not compare with the appearance of a TeX document.

Somewhat more cumbersome - yes.

Fewer bugs, better consistency.

That's my humble opinion.

regards
Johan
From: djimenez@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Daniel Jimenez)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: vogl and X386
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:55:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1992Nov12.215549.13416
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

Anyone ported vogl (the package that lets you do GL stuff in X)
to Linux/X386?
-- 
Daniel Jimenez                     djimenez@ringer.cs.utsa.edu
"I've so much music in my head" -- Maurice Ravel, shortly before his death.
"                             " -- John Cage
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: csi067@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Hair Brain)
Subject: X & Paradise SVGA
Keywords: X Paradise Viglen
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:35:41 GMT

Can anybody out there help me. My linux setup is as follows, and I'm having
great trouble getting X to work in the SVGA modes.

	Viglen 33Mhz 486 4Mb 100Mb hard disk

	Paradise 512k SVGA - (unusual in that the card combines VGA, IDE
			      and floppy controller on one card) 

			      - this could be the problem.

If anyone has got X to work in either 800/600 or 1024/768 SVGA mode I would
be very greatful of any hints on how I can get the thing to work. An Xconfig
file would be even better !!!!!!! 

On a slightly different note, I am planning on a few upgrades to my machine,
the first two being another 4M ram and another largish hard disk approx 
170M. The other item I'm considering is an IDE caching controller, does
anybody have any experience of using this under Linux (compatability
problems ? etc ....). I would be interested to hear your views.


Philip J. Stoddart



	


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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: IBM PS/2 57 486SLC2
Organization: Aston University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:28:16 GMT

wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:
: pr@umiacs.umd.edu (Jesus Rodriguez) writes:
: >I have read the FAQ list and it talks alot about the 386/486 AT-bus but
: >doesn't rule out MCA machines.  SO will LINUX run on an IBM PS/2 MCA 386 or
: >higher?
: 
: No.

Well it is more a sort of yes and no

Linux will run, it just won't talk to anything in the MCA slots.

Which for all practical purposes means you can't get very far
unless you just want to play with a floppy based unix :-)
: 
: Using the harddisk with MCA is different than using it with ISA, and
: it seems that there is no documentation available on how it is done.
: Which means that people with MCA machines who wish to use Linux
: continue wishing.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bjones@cambria.columbus.oh.us (Bill Jones)
Subject: Re: Good/bad 14.4 modems?
Organization: Cambria Mail and News Gateway -- Columbus., OH
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:24:07 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Paul S. Kilroy (kilroy@ms.uky.edu) wrote:
: wissner@beech.mcs.gvsu.edu (Jim Wissner) writes:
: 
: 
: |I currently have my Linux box set up for dial-in access so that
: |people in the area can check it out and download whatever files
: |they want.  I'm using my trusty old 2400 and it's just not fast
: |enough for people to really get some good downloading done, so I'm
: |in the market for a 14.4.  There's a number of them out,
: |and I just wonder if any of you would be kind enough to recommend
: |what's a good or a bad one to get?  And will a 14.4 work OK with
: |the uugetty from the gettyps package on tsx-11?  That's what I've
: |been using.
: 
: i have a 14.4kb boca with fax and it works perfect..
: _very_ inexpensive too
: i havent tried it on a getty yet, but dial out works great...
: 

That's strange.  I have a Boca 14.4K with fax and hate it.  Sometimes it
hangs up -- sometimes it doesn't.  When it doesn't hang up, I have to do a
hard reboot to reset the modem.  And sometimes even that doesn't work -- it
takes two hard reboots and a complete power down.

I called Boca about this and their respose essentially boiled down to -- "If
you aren't using the software we shipped with the modem under DOS it isn;t
our fault the modem doesn;t work properly."  My advice is to avoid Bocas
like the plague.

On the other hand, I have a Cardinal 9600bps modem (no fax) which works like
a charm.  Absolutely no problems under any software (minicom, kermit, UUCP,
etc.)

Bill

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From: bjones@cambria.columbus.oh.us (Bill Jones)
Subject: IOT trap/Abort??
Organization: Cambria Mail and News Gateway -- Columbus., OH
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:09:44 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I have been running FWEB versions 1.22 and 1.23a (compiled with GCC versions
2.2.2d and ss-921016 respectively) under kernel version 0.98.1.  When I run
fweave on a web file, I get the error

	Writing INDEX.tex...IOT trap/Abort (core dumped)

Since I have been unable to find code within FWEB for this, I am assuming
that this is a GCC or kernel error.  Would someone please enlighten me as to
what it means.

Now, for the $64 question.  Why is it that I don't get this error all of the
time.  Sometimes, everything will work fine and the index will be produced. 
Then, either on the very same file -- slightly modified in a trivial way --
the error will return.  Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,

Bill

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hlu@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Subject: Re: definition of fd_set is a trouble spot
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 08:42:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.073130.25220@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> quale@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Doug Quale) writes:
>The definition of fd_set in <linux/types.h> is a bit of a trouble spot.
>BSD makes fd_set an integer array to allow more open files/process than
>bits/word.  Linux allows only 32 open files/process, so fd_set is made
>an unsigned long.
>
>If I haven't bored you to death and you're with me this far, the problem
>is that some programs expect fd_set to be an array, not a scalar.  For
>example, BSD rshd.c has the code sequence
>
>	fd_set ready, readfrom;
>
>	...
>
>	ready = readfrom;
>
>The intent is that ready be an alias for readfrom, but this won't work
>if fd_set is a scalar as in Linux.  (BSD documents fd_set as an array
>in the man pages, so I would say that this coding is legitimate.)
>
>If it's not too late, we should kill two birds with one stone and make
>fd_set an array.  This would also permit more than 32 open files/process.
>
>-- 
>Doug Quale
>quale@saavik.cs.wisc.edu

Linus, could you please take a look at <gnu/types.h>. Can we use fd
stuff in it? That is one purpose I left them there.


H.J.
From: barr@stein.u.washington.edu (David Barr)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Bootmanager and LILO
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:47:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov6.164719.6087
Organization: University of Washington

>Kees de Bruin (kees@imada.ou.dk) wrote:
>: I'm using Linux for quite some time now, but are currently using a
>: shoelace/bootmanager combination to boot DOS/OS2/Linux. Because I
>: want to shift to version .98 using the SLS and knowing that shoelace
>: does not work wit SLS.98, I was wondering if I can use LILO and the
>: bootmanager together.

If you are using lilo, you don't need a boot manager.  Lilo takes care of that.
You install Lilo, then use fdisk to make your linux partition your bootable
partition.  If you hold down the shift, control or alt key while the computer
is booting up, you get a prompt asking which partition you want to boot off of.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis)
Subject: Designing X modes
Organization: FidoNet node 2:252/305 - The Purple Tentacle, Reading
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 22:15:45 +0000

Ok, I suspect there's enough interest in this... In a second I'll upload an 
archive called modegen.taz (compressed tar) to nic.funet.fi and 
tsx-11.mit.edu (if I can find the incoming directories :-) ).

  It contains my tools for calculating the magic numbers for X display modes 
- namely the sc spreadsheet program, a couple of spreadsheets and some light 
reading. The documentation assumes you have some idea of what goes in the 
Xconfig file but is otherwise fairly easy reading <G>.

  One spreadsheet is resolution-centric. That is, you specify the resolution 
you are aiming at and the clock to use it tells you how good (or bad) a 
refresh rate etc. you will get. This is most use if you have a multisync 
(multiscan/flexscan...) monitor.

  The other spreadsheet is frequency-centric. You give it the 
horizontal/vertical frequencies and clock to use and it gives you the 
displayable resolution. For those with fixed frequency monitors.

  Naturally, you can also play with sync timings etc. to centre the display 
and squeeze every last displayable pixel out of it. It's in the docs...

  And if you don't (yet) understand any of the above - follow the docs...

                                Mike  
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: peterd@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers)
Subject: Re: Linux - the future? [really: TeX flames]
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:39:34 GMT

keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith) writes:

>Hmm,  I know a *LOT* of secretaries.  Not one of which has ever even
>*THOUGHT* of doing any mathmatics typesetting. 

That's a silly argument - like working for a car company and saying
"I know a lot of engineers, and they all design cars. Therefore,
engineers don't design computers, they design cars."

Of course there are secretaries out there who typeset mathematics -
they just happen to work for people who write papers or textbooks that
require mathematics typesetting. You don't think the chairman of the
math department at your local college types his papers himself, do
you? 

As a data point, someone I know who is a secretary for a professor at
MIT does do mathematical typesetting, and uses TeX for it. It may be
complicated, but it's simpler than the alternatives.

				Peter Desnoyers
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: paschall@ocf.berkeley.edu (Greg Paschall)
Subject: Communication packages
Keywords: communications
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:14:22 GMT

I am looking for a communications program that allows for scrolling back
through what has been seen.  Are there any such programs that run well on
Linux.  Do any exist that run under X possibly.  Or am I going to be forced
to write one myself?  (I'd like to be able to scroll back at least a 1000
lines or more, but no more than say 9000).

			Thanks in advance,
				
				Greg Paschall
				paschall@ocf.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey)
Subject: ANNOUNCE: GNU Emacs 18.59 available for Linux
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:30:47 GMT

For all of you who have been having problems with GNU Emacs under
Linux 0.98 patchlevel 4, I have uploaded GNU Emacs 18.59 to sunsite
in the incoming directory.

The files are:

* emacs-18.59a.tar.Z		README, patches, and Linux support files
* emacs-etc-18.59a.tar.Z	GNU Emacs support binaries and files
* emacs-bin-18.59a.tar.Z	text-based GNU Emacs binary and its DOC file
* x11emacs-bin-18.59a.tar.Z	X11-based GNU Emacs binary and its DOC file

The new features are:

* version 18.59 of GNU Emacs instead of 18.58
* works correctly with Linux 0.98 patchlevel 4
* maximimum filesize increased from 8 to 32 Megabytes

I will upload the 18.59 lisp and info directories when I get a chance
as well as uploading everything to tsx-11 and nic.  If you want to
compile it yourself, just grab emacs-18.59.tar.Z from prep or other
GNU site and apply the patches in emacs-18.59a.tar.Z and then follow
the INSTALL guide.
--
Rick Sladkey
jrs@world.std.com
From: jregehr@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (John David Regehr)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: X question
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:57:27 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

I am using a GW 2000 386DX/20 with a generic ET4000 32K card with 1 meg,
and a NEC 3D.  I have tried everything I can think of to get X going, but
it always bombs with the same errors, which I have listed below.  I would
REALLY appreciate it if someone could tell me what these mean, so I could
have an idea where I need to start to get X running.       

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Creating TCP socket: Invalid argument
XFree86 Version 1.0Ya / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000)
Configured drivers:
  VGA256 (256 colour SVGA):
      et4000, et3000, pvga1, gvga, ati, tvga8900
VGA256: et4000 (mem: 1024k numclocks: 8)
VGA256:   clocks: 25 28 32 36 40 45 31 37
VGA256: SpeedUp mode selected (Flags=0x3f)

Fatal server error:
could not open default font 'fixed'

giving up.
xinit:  Invalid argument (errno 22):  unable to connect to X server
xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
nit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks.

John Regehr
jregehr@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Kansas State University
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: MAXTOR
Keywords: 213 MB HD MAXTOR LINUX
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:03:07 GMT

In article <jrsellec.720951453@syzygy> jrsellec@socs.uts.edu.au (91066720 j r selleck) writes:
> was wondering if Linux gets along with a 213 Mb Maxtor Hd.
>
> Any way I was looking at getting a MAXTOR HD  it is 213 Megs and has a 15 ms access time..`

I use a Maxtor 7213A IDE 15ms 213 meg drive in a Linux box with no problems.
Others may have reported trouble with this drive; the box this drive is in is
a 386SX/16mhz, 4 megs ram.

mdw

-- 
Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
Systems Programmer, Cornell Theory Center
  "She's like jelly roll, like sculpture!"
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Phone numbers needed and INFO about ATI boards.
Date: 7 Nov 1992 16:35:06 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mamba.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov6.183410.8577@utdallas.edu> ramesh@utdallas.edu writes:
>
>BTW, all those who read my earlier message about "ATI Graphics ultra cannot do
>1152x900" I have news. I talked to folks in ATI and they say you can if you
>program Mach 8 directly.

Yes, but it will run like a dog.

1152x900x256 takes up nearly all the on-chip VRAM; there will not be enough
left to cache fonts.  If you've ever seen an accelerated server without font
caching, you know what this means.

If the resolutions are flexible and you didn't use too many fonts,
something like 1152x870 would work.

>Documents about mach 8 is freely available for $50.

This is a recent development, and good news.

c
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: schiers@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Carsten Schiers)
Subject: Re: ET 4000 localbus + hicolor +hiclock info ?
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:35:54 GMT

tema@snakemail.hut.fi (Teemu Lehtonen ) writes:

>... In other words is there a
>differencs on my monitor wether I use an hicolor+hiclock card or normal
>card without hicolor and hiclock. Also I'd like to know what is the affect
>hicolor chip alone.

Hiclock (if you mean double clocked cards like the 2theMax) will work now.
But as I know, nobody has written the 24 bit (or 15 bit) cfb software. I
will try it, when nobody else has done it, but I will try it for the
ATI Mach 32. But this will take some time.

CU Carsten.

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rchen@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Chen)
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] poeigl-1.7 and admutil-1.4 available
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:55:29 GMT

In article <921105155@avatar.GUN.de> sebi@avatar.GUN.de (Sebastian Lederer) writes:
>Peter Orbaek (poe@daimi.aau.dk) wrote:
>: Getty will now write an entry to /etc/wtmp each time it is started, so
>: "last" won't show "still logged in" until another logs in on that tty.
>: 
>: I fixed "last" so it would work properly with the fixed getty.
>
>Hmm...no offense intended, but the logout records should be the job of init,
>not of getty. The SystemV-compatible init-process from your admutils-package
>does exactly this whenever a child of init dies. After I made some slight
>modifications, I have been running it since 0.96 without any problems, and
>none of the three flavours of "last" I have had to be changed. I think this
>is a more "standard" solution to the problem, since not everyone uses the
>getty-program of the admutils-package. By the way, the SysV-Init does not
>only have a single-user-mode, but different runlevels, which can be very
>handy, for example, to enable logins on a modem line, I have to change the
>runlevel only instead of editing inittab etc. .
[...]
>I am not at all in favour of System V or anything, but I think there's
>nothing wrong in keeping up with usual UN*X standards...and writing the
>logout-records in getty is a little bit unusual.
>If anyone should be interested in the patched version of the SysV-init, mail
>me...
>
>--
>Sebastian Lederer   "And crawling on the planets face - Some insects, called
>sebi@avatar.GUN.de   the human race. Lost in time and lost in space -and in
>-------------------  meaning" - The Narrator of the Rocky Horror Picture Show

I agree that the SysV compatible stuff is "better" because of the
reasons outlined above.  Is there any reason that we cannot use the
ysV init as the Standard init for Linux?  I think having two inits
around is a Bad Thing (tm) anyway - it confuses matters for no really
good reason.  

Peter:  Would it be possible for you to fold Sebastian's patches back
into the admutils package?  Would you consider just providing the SysV
init?  You pretty much control what Linux's login sequence looks like
(realistically).  

Please let up know what you think.

- Ken
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: satishc@microsoft.com (Satish Chittamuru)
Subject: Re: linux and > 64meg partitions?
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:35:48 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <3uJyTB6w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> mark@student.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell CS STAFF) writes:
 > 
 > I know there is/was an EFS, but 2 months ago, people were complaining it
 > was unstable.

EFS is quite stable right now. I have a 130 Meg EXTFS usr partition
that I have been using for about 5 weeks now. I use it extensively
without any problems. No corruption etc. However its performance
leaves a lot to be desired. It operates at abut 25-30% efficiency
when compared to the Minix FS. When writing large files (~4-8Meg)
it loads the system very heavily locking out other foreground
processes for periods of upto 40 secs or so.


 > mark@student.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell CS STAFF)
 > Western Business School  --  London, Ontario


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=====
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed herein, either stated or implied, are
solely my own and do not reflect Microsoft's views in any manner.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Window droppings and other annoyances.
Organization: AL/HRTI, Brooks AFB
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:02:14 GMT

	Well, I managed to get X running, but I notice that the WM
(tvtwm) leaves window droppings, the title bars leave highlight
droppings, and menus leave droppings.  

	Also, when text scrolls in a window, it does a smear-and-redraw
that doesn't always redraw the text properly.

	What's going on?  Anyone else had this problem?  What can I do
to correct it?

	BTW, it's an Orchid ProDesigner II, 512K on board, 800x600 256
mode, NEC MultiSync 3FGx.

-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
"Happiness is eating cheesecake."