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From: tmjones@eos.ncsu.edu (@large(Are you Object-Oriented?))
Subject: Re: HELP:  Need Newton/HP95 help
Originator: tmjones@c00478-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tmjones@eos.ncsu.edu (@large(Are you Object-Oriented?))
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:06:33 GMT


>Titch (rjb12@unix.brighton.ac.uk) wrote:
>[Stuff deleted]
>
>: I absolutely agree that Personal Digital Assitants (*not* pen computers)-
>: Apple's description, and a very good one - should be the next computing
>: 'revolution', but I don't think they'll take over from the desktop. That's
>: like saying the PC will take over from the mainframe. Try telling Amdahl
>: that and see what response you get. (It's all about throughput, you know :-))
>: 
>
>How do you differentiate between PDAs and pen computers, exactly? I always
>thought PDA was an Apple marketing term. The only obvious difference I've
>noticed between, say, a Newton and an EO440 is that the models of the former
>are smaller than the (working hardware) of the latter, and that the `Newton'
>has a simulation of a display etched onto what looks like a sheet of
>perspex whereas the 440 has an eight-grey-level 640 X 480 LCD.
>

Well, there is no reason to get upset about all this, The truth is that if
Apple ever gets the product out within a few month's after EO, they will 
probaly be sucessful.  Apple has a name for itself and has a sucessful 
marketing company (Yes, being number 2 in the personal computer market 
should be considered sucessful.)  The technical aspects can be argued all day
but the #1 technical product is usually not the best seller.  PDA's are being
aimed at people who do not like computers.  Apple is selling a consumer 
electronics product, not a computer.  It's like a calculator or scheduler.  
The only difference is that the sell of Newton can lead to other sells of
software and interfaces to other computers.  Newton is described as a PDA 
instead of a pen-based computer because computers are not easy to use.  As
long as Apple gets its message across to the managers, it doesnt matter
what the computer gurus say about other systems.  The fact that we think apple
is full of crap shows that their marketing ploy is working.  Unless EO uses
the same ploy, it will be stuck in the same niche that Amiga is right now 
(in America that is) as a toy for the computer nerds.   
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From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: Whats the smallest (readable) 24x80
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:49:02 GMT
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In <1993Jan21.200756.28157@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> williams@nssdcs.gsfc.nasa.gov writes:

> [Apologies if you see this twice.  It doesn't seem to have gotten out
>  the first time.]
> 
> In article <1993Jan20.030014.9216@crl.com> jc@crl.com (Jim Couch) writes:
> >Subject line says it all. The hp95 looks like it would
> >be awfully crammed to squeze in 24x80. Is there anything 
> >between the smallest full size laptop and the hp which
> >would be both small and readable?
> 
> "Readable 24x80" is a matter of some opinion.  Others have posted
> articles here describing highly squeeed text (*three* pixels/character
> wide!)  that manages to get an 80x24/25 display onto the hp95.
> Personally, I just can't read it.  My own minimum is a 5x7 character
> in a 6x8 cell (just what the hp95 uses).  Thus, you would need at
> least a 480x200 display to get 80x25 characters.  The old, standard,
> CGA display, at 640x200 was able to do slightly better by using an 8x8
> cell.  An 8x10 or 8x12 cell makes underlining much nicer and keeps the
> descenders on one line from touching the tops of tall letters below.
> This happens on the hp95 a lot.  I don't know of any machine with a
> display that is significantly better than the hp95 (in terms of size),
> but is still not a full CGA.  I personally wouldn't bother with
> anything less than CGA if you really want 80x25 text screens.
> Machines like the ZEOS use CGA and the screen on that is quite
> readable, although I think the hp95 screen is better.

The smallest 80-column screen I've heard of is the 141mm-by-106mm display used
by Olivetti for their Quaderno sub-notebook. As I see it, the largest
possible palmtop would be roughly the size of a VHS video cassette, or about
190 by 105 by 25mm. In other words, it would be 30mm wider than the 95LX, 20mm
deeper and the thickness would stay the same. There would be room for a
141-by-73mm screen, or enough space for 16 lines of 80 columns of text. If you
make it any larger than this [or the old Atari Portfolio], it will cease to be
a palmtop and become an undersized, underpowered notebook.
---
BTW, the Quaderno has a built-in microphone so that you can record speech and
store it on the built-in hard disk. Great for note taking. Another nifty idea
would be to have a touch-sensitive screen, you could write short memos using a
stylus and do similar things. Would be great for running MS Windows as well.

MARCU$
  
> 
> Jim
> -- 
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From: pwestlak@eoe.co.uk (Peter Westlake)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: HELP:  Need Newton/HP95 help
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:42:14 GMT
Organization: EO Europe Limited, Cambridge, UK
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Titch (rjb12@unix.brighton.ac.uk) wrote:
: 
: I absolutely agree that Personal Digital Assitants (*not* pen computers)-
: Apple's description, and a very good one - should be the next computing

Personal Digital Assistant is too vague a term for my liking - you half
expect it to give you a manicure.  "Pen Communicator" is much more
descriptive.  Of course, the Newton does not emphasize comms much,
so "pen computer" is probably about right.  (And yes, I too know that
"Newton" means more than the computer - I was referring to the first
machine in the line.  Actually, until it shows some signs of materialising
in the real world perhaps I should call it the zeroth machine :-)

Peter.

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From: vair0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: HP15C Wanted
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: NAtion
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:18:39 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: HP-15C - Wanted
Expires: 2/15/93
Distribution: Nation
Organization: University of Minnesota
Keywords: HP15C

I am posting this for a friend:
HP-15C Wanted.  If someone has one and wants to sell it please sent me
e-mail.
Thank you.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: opalka@11srus.enet.dec.com (Bill Opalka 603-884-3655)
Subject: Re: APL on HP95?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:21:08 GMT


In article <1993Jan26.175738.7717@Princeton.EDU>, tsar.Princeton.EDU!fuchs (Ira H. Fuchs) writes...
>Has anyone succeeded in getting APL (any flavor but best would be IBM's  
>APL2) to run on the HP95 complete with the APL font? I have J and it works  
>just fine but I'm not sure if I am up to learning another "write-only"  
>language.

I don't have a HP95 but I did install IAPL (Public Domain) on a Poquet that
had only 512K.  The only problem I had was that the keyboard mappings for
IAPL don't follow the standard mappings (ie. quad is #).  Another option 
might be TRYAPL2 but I'm not sure how much room it will take. You might
try posting this to COMP.LANG.APL and see if anyone else has any suggestions.


/Bill

ps.  I agree with you on J...
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: .5M 95lx Serial Backup Problems
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:16:30 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <C126I0.3wv@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo) writes:

>root C:\ to my atari but not the contents of sub dirs.  I have not been
>able to successfully zip or lharc my files on the 95 (the ideal situation).
>When I issue either command I get memory fault errors no matter how big or
>small I make the system/ram disk allocations.  Is there some way to do a
>transfer of all of C:\ including sub dirs via Kermit?  Is there anyway
>short of buying the connectivity kit and a PC to back up my 95?  Help.

Are you sure the binaries are being transfered properly?  Can you
transfer any program to the 95 and succesfully execute it?  Although I
haven't tried it, zip and lharc should run just fine on the 95.  I
personally can't spare the space for either the programs or to store
the archives before transfer.

There are some bugs and other problems in the Kermit code on the 95.
To get around them I used to use MS-Kermit on an MS-DOS machine and an
MS-Kermit take file something like this:

get _dat\*.env
get _dat\*.abk
get _dat\*.pbk
get _dat\*.cnf
get _dat\*.lst
get _dat\*.txt
get _dat\*.wk1

Repeat for all the extensions and directories you want backed up, it's
a kluge but it works.  I don't know if a kermit is available for the
Atari ST that supports some kind of scripting capability.  If there
isn't, you can get MS-Kermit and use a modified script on the 95.
Unfortunately the smallest (and oldest) MS-Kermit is around 80KB.
There may be smaller standalone kermit, or [xyz]modem programs that
could send be run from a batch file to do the same thing.  Check out
the various archive sites.  See comp.binaries.ibm.pc and comp.archives
and elsewhere for details.

I now use ZIP (not to be confused with the archiver) which does 115Kbps
transfers, but only runs on MS-DOS machines.  A similar batch file is
needed since ZIP can't recursively do subdirectories.

How does everyone else back up their machines?  This sounds like a
good FAQ list entry.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: tal@netcom.com (Tal Dayan)
Subject: Re: S3: Shall I get 1M RAM or 2M FLASH?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:43:53 GMT

In article <1k6pk6INNiu0@emmental.csv.warwick.ac.uk>, phudl@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Liddicott) writes:
> 
> With FLASH, you wan't be able to have more than 1MEG permanantly stored
> anyway, because you have to leave yourself with enough slack.
> With RAM you won't have the risk of misjudging your slack.  FLASH is
> only good for a certain (largish) number of formats anyway.

The problem is not in the Flash technology but with the naive file
system implemented by Psion. From a company that made such a great
product (S3, hardware and software) I would expect to have a real
Flash management software with on-line compression and 
unused area recovery.

Tal

tal@netcom.com


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From: iikkap@mits.mdata.fi (Iikka Paavolainen)
Subject: Boulderrun uploaded
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:38:23 GMT

I finally uploaded the beta version of boulderrun, a boulderdash clone for
the hp95lx, to eddie.mit.edu. Please test it out and give comments to me
in e-mail. It doesn't have graphics yet, as I don't know how to get the
block-read/write functions to work with PCC (I'm not that good at assembly
language). If anybody can help me out with this, please e-mail.
Also coming are:
Golf - a card solitaire
Worms - a game like nibbles (comes with dos 5.0)

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From: bull@procyon.tuc.noao.edu (Frank Bull/Gemini 8m)
Subject: Re: Help: Radio Shack Power Supply Information
Reply-To: bull@procyon.tuc.noao.edu (Frank Bull/Gemini 8m)
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:29:42 GMT

The 9 volt adapter is 273-1455B and the Y-adapter 243-1649 (handy for powering
the 95 and a modem).
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From: tal@netcom.com (Tal Dayan)
Subject: HP95: HP95 Successor, second hand sources say that ...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:17:58 GMT


According to second hand sources, HP95LX successor is due next April.
It is about the same size as the 95, had 'full size screen' (?),
one PCMCIA slot and another (non PCMCIA) slot for HP's miniature disk
(optional).

I would not put my money on it but I believe the sources a quite
reliable.

Tal

tal@netcom.com


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From: toin@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Toin Bloo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Psion S3 SSDs - RAM v FLASH
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:28:43 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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Lionel Tun (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <7033@tuegate.tue.nl> toin@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Toin Bloo) writes:
: >If you bother about speed, buy RAM. Flash is slower.
: 
: Hhhmm. I have now heard two negative things about flash.
: One is that it is slower, the other is that it drains the
: batteries more than ram.
: 
: Can anyone comment on how significant these shortcomings
: are?
: 

These things are of NO significance. The Flash SSD are slower indeed, but I
even don't mention the difference in speed between my Internal disk and my SSD.
I think the decrease in battery life due to 3Link is more significant then 
that of Flash versus Ram.
Remember that Ram drains current still if your Psion is switched off, the 
Flash not. For me, my Psion is only 1/3 of the day on so *this* counts!


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From: fst@doc.ic.ac.uk (Frank Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Psion 3 Views, or other machine recomme
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:39:34
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK
Distribution: world
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In-reply-to: rob@firefox.uk.sun.com's message of 19 Jan 1993 09:15:21 GMT

In article Rob Latham writes:
>
>   >I don't know what they cost in the USA, but I bought mine here in England
>   >for 169 pounds.  Whatever you do, make sure you get the 256k model, NOT
>   >the 128k.
>
>   Is this the price of the 256k model ?
>
>   The best price I've found for the 256K model is 249, where
>   shouldI be looking ?

I have just joined the ranks of Psion owners by paying 195 pounds (inc
VAT) for a 256K machine from C&A Electronics on Tottenham Court Road
here in London. I was their first sale of the day and I paid cash(!), so
as they say --- your mileage may vary.

Mail order companies seem to be around the 200 pounds + postage mark.

I have noticed that most places will discount the machine but not the
periperals/SSDs etc. I suppose they want to maintain some margin
somewhere!

As for first impressions of the machine (I have had it for 4 days):

			      BRILLIANT!

>   Robert.

Frank.
From: secrist@msdsws.enet.dec.com (Strong datatypes for weak minds.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: HP95LX Review ?
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:28:23 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


	Would someone repost/mail an HP95LX review ?

	Regards,
	rcs

Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: hdev@dutiai.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught)
Subject: Re: pascal for HP95?? was Re: HP95lx questions. : )
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:08:02 GMT

jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes:

>I'm pretty clueless about most of the DOS world, so please forgive my
> ignorance... anyways, I was wondering if Pascal was available on it.

The turbo pascal compiler runs on it.
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From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: Re: .5M 95lx Serial Backup Problems
Organization: Unit 36 Research, UofWaterloo
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:58:39 GMT

In article <1jn0auINNkgj@uwm.edu> anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber) writes:
>How does everyone else back up their machines?  This sounds like a
>good FAQ list entry.

	I had to transfer each file manually.  After gathering all the files
in my 95 onto my Atari I proceeded to organize them into a mirror of my 95's
files structure.  I am happy now.  I wish I could've done some sort of batch
transfer or used an archiver, but as I said the archivers wouldn't run on my
512k machine.

brett maraldo



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From: mkeiser@sccarace.EBay.Sun.COM (Mark Keiser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Morse Code program for the 95LX . . ?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:20:55 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mkeiser@sccarace.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sccarace.ebay.sun.com

Okay - here's one.  How about a morse code program for the 95LX?  (Someday
I'll get to General!)


Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: danne@kirin.ericsson.se (Anders Danne)
Subject: Remote control from unix
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:18:34 GMT

There exists several programs for remote control of a PC over serial line from
another PC. Is there any unix program for remote control of a PC?
Or is the protocol for any of the PC programs published?

I would like to hook up my palmtop to my unix workstation and then control 
file transfers from the workstation.

///Anders Danne
From: michael@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael Perelman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Help: Radio Shack Power Supply Information
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:18:26 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

A few weeks ago someone posted the Radio Shack part number for an external
power supply for the 95lx.  I would very much appreciate it if some one could
supply me with that information.  Thanks.
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
CSU Chico
Chico, CA 95929 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
From: geo@netcom.com (George Pontis)
Subject: HP95 losing open files on low battery
Keywords: HP95 battery
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:02:22 GMT

My HP95 has an annoying habit of losing the files from every open 
application the first time the low battery warning is displayed. So,
one day I turn on the 95, and it blinks MAIN BATTERY LOW. I make no
effort to try to use the thing, instead I immediately replace the 
batteries with a couple more alkaline cells. Then I trun on the power 
and am booted into the startup mode "Press a key for SYSMGR ...". Of
course, all the open files from 123, phonebook, memo, etc are lost.
My unit is a fairly recent 512K model - the one that has the ROMs where
things start up quickly the first time. Any suggestions regarding the
battery problem ?

George
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From: carlj@hpcvmcdj.cv.hp.com (Carl Johnson)
Subject: Re: .5M 95lx Serial Backup Problems
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:11:27 GMT

jew@venus.sunquest.com writes:
: 
:           I have been toying with this idea and will present
:           it  for your  consideration.   Do you  suppose you
:           could  use several programs  that process standard
:           I/O to back up a palmtop?  I.e.:
: 
:           tar -cf . | compress | kermit -is -> kermit -ir >t
: 
:           (tar  and compress being  MKS Toolkit utilities or
:           equivalents)
: 
:           Can  anyone think  of a good  reason this wouldn't
:           work?   I  have thought about  it and  read up far
:           enough  on it to see that all commands involved do
:           STDIO.  What do you think?

I am used to unix, so I thought of the same thing.  I started to think
about how to do it before I remembered that MSDOS doesn't have pipes.
It emulates pipes by using temporary files, so you would have 
temporary files as large as your backup set.  So it might work if your
backup set was no larger than about 1/3 of your RAM disk;  in other
words it would not be very practical.  You would also likely run into
the 640K memory limitation, so you could probably only work with about
200K of files.

-- 

Carl Johnson              carlj@cv.hp.com
From: cdb@news.fc.hp.com (Chuck Bade)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Cheap, programmable, editor, terminal -- which ?
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:17:06 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

You may want to try an old version (2.0?) of Turbo Pascal.  It had a header
that was half the width of the screen.  The newer versions went to headers
that use the entire screen width.

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