From: jbates@encore.com (John W. Bates)
Subject: Re: Planned Non-Parenthood? (to Rescorla)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:36:22 GMT
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On Fri, 22 Jan 93 05:53:58 GMT, mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) said:
In article <1993Jan22.055358.12827@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.232455.12271@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>>In article <nyikos.727652969@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>>>In <1993Jan21.000136.29987@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:

>>I don't know what you are implying, Mr. Nyikos. 
>>I can think of many reasons why this would be so that do not include
>>improper practices or pressure on the part of PPFA.
>>
> The obviuous conclusion is that people are going to PP because they
> have decided they want an abortion. Sadly, PHoney prefers conspiracy
> theories to the obvious answer.

>>>> As far as
>>>>I know, abortions are not particularly lucrative. Ob/Gyn's get
>>>>much more money for a birth than for an abortion.
>>>Figures, please.
>>I don't have them, though I've seen them posted on talk.abortion
>>before, but can't substantiate the claim right now. Retracted.
>>
> A normal delivery runs $2000-3000. A planned cesarean runs about
> $5000. An unplanned section is just about double that. Halting
> premature labor runs form a few thousand on up, depending on the case.
> Premature birth costs up to about $5000 a day for NICU care. Length of
> stay, obviously, is widely variable, and never cheap.

You need to look at it from the angle of a conspiracy theorist, Mark.

If you are an Ob/Gyn, you can make, say, $3000 off of a pregnant woman.
But it takes nine months. How many abortions could the evil abortionist
perform on that same woman in nine months? Figure, oh, four, maybe five,
if one was detected early enough. That's almost $4000. And if he (always
a he) could manage to mutilate the woman, well, that's some extra business
for his cousin.

That's why abortionists actually want everybody to have sex, all the time.
That's why PP encourages the use of birth control. They want people to
think that sex is OK, so people will have more abortions. Of course, we
all know that the birth control they promote doesn't really work, right?
The only real way to avoid pregnancy is to practice NFP, right? But
they don't want *us* to know about that, so they publish false results.

Then there are the *really* evil abortionists, who are actually Satanists
employed by the CIA, and who don't care about the money. They encourage
people to get pregnant, and then tell them that their baby is deformed,
or their health is at risk, just so that the abortionist can have the 
pleasure of crushing the baby's skull! Pop, *squish*! They also keep
a supply of rusty nails on hand, in case the woman objects.

It's amazing how often discussions with Nyikos seem to degenerate into
this kind of ludicrous reasoning. 

>>>And be careful not to count 9 months of prenatal care in the costs.
>>Why not? Doctors get paid to do it.
>>
> PHoney is overlooking the simple fact that most OB's have a single
> price which includes prenatal care and delivery.

You just have to understand how the conspiracy theorist thinks. Sit
in your bedroom alone for a while. Think to yourself, "They're all out
to get me. Everybody is out to get me." Do this over and over, several
times a day. Start turning around suddenly, to see who's watching you.
You'd be amazed at how quickly you can begin to understand Nyikos' ideas.

John
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