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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 10:05:39 -0400 
From: David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Pennsic Rialto Party

Greetings, good friends --

The Rialto party at Pennsic was last night.  It was delightful, truly.
Yaakov and his lady and the Carolingian encampment were excellent hosts,
save for the small fact that their encampment was in the faaaar northeast
corner of the camp.  I left about 11:30 and it was still going strong,
getting started not long after the promised 6:30.  

There were many rounds of introductions and frequent exclamations of
"YOU'RE ____________!" and other pleasantries.  Distant travelers 
included the esteemed Mistress Dorothea of Caer Myrdden (sp?) and
Sir John Theophilus from the West, plus the good gentle who keeps
one of our ftp sites (whose name, for the nonce, escapes me) from
Newfoundland.

There was good food, good music (yes, Dorothea has a _lovely_ voice,
as do many Rialtans), much silliness ("Don't rain, don't rain, don't
rain on our tents -- don't rain on our tents, rain on some-one else!"
to the tune of "Dona Nobis Pacem" -- thankfully not needed that night!)
and excellent conversation in person to supplement our electronic 
gathering.

It seems Pennsic this year _will_ be fought as a grand tournament rather
than a "War" as in years past, and that was one topic of discussion, 
along with dozens of others.

In truth, it was great fun...

I look forward to re-joining you all when I return from the War...

Take good care -- Bertram

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Bertram of Bearington                                      Dave Schroeder
Debatable Lands/AEthelmearc/East               Carnegie Mellon University
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      "He indulged in every excess, yes in each licentious whim..."
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Kids
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:00:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.713887374.F00004

At>  From: aboz@egf-bbs.uucp (Aboz the Untidy)
At>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
At>
At>  I appreciate your frustration with the local media.  Having been
At>  involved
At>  in a number of groups (Community theatre, etc.) whos activities were
At>  covered by the area rag which seldom got anything right, my
At>  sympathies are
At>  with you.  I would strongly suggest a _carefully_ worded letter to
At>  the
At>  editor explaining the errors in the article.  Such might even prompt
At>  them
At>  to do a feature.

At>  We got a nice quarter-page write up, although we got a
At>  chuckle out of her headline:
At>
At>    "Society For Creative Anacronism Discourages Jousting on Horseback"

I imagine she was just as surprised at the headline as you. Headlines are 
almost never written by the author of the article. This tends to 
sometimes give them a very surreal tone, because the headline editor homed 
in on some minor aspect that caught his/her eye...

This also explains the sometimes badly stretched attempts at alliteration in 
headlines, (especially the sports page) and inappropriate humor above advice 
columns. I believe this newspaper tradition comes from the need for the 
headline to fill a specific amount of space that isn't determined until the 
layout is done, long after the article is written. It results in the 
occasional "howler"... ;-)

Moreach
trifid@agora.rain.com 
 
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Instructions for ancient
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:41:46 GMT

In article <714272423.F00017@blkcat.UUCP> Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
>whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>
>WH> He looks the questioner coldly in the eye and says "Stuart."
>
>WH> [...] amazing how many people who ask that
>WH> question don't know what the answer means.)
>
>I'm not entirely sure myself.  Something about royalty, yes?

Precisely. 

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
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510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: Innane Blather
Subject: Pennsic Virgin no more...
Reply-To: cn0n@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:41:07 GMT


*WIN*  *WIN*  *WIN*

I would just like to thank EVERYONE at Pennsic for making my first
Pennsic experience one of the best times of my life.

I am grateful that I have found the SCA..

Etain an Laochais - Die Schwartzr Legion, Barony March of the Debateable Lands,  
Aethelmarc, East Kingdom

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From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Kids, Halflings, Goslings, Smalls...
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:37:06 GMT

In article <713594709.F00006@therose.pdx.com> Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond) writes:
>From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
>Subject: Re: Kids, Halflings, Goslings, Smalls...
>Date: 11 Aug 92 04:04:00 GMT
>TA>  From: archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
>TA>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
>TA>
>TA>  My own two farthings worth:

[slashing movement with an editor's cleaver]

>Bless you. Especially since you feel the way you do. You're probably good 
>with children, too. The type of person who cares despite their personal bent 
>usually is.... (I was the kind of child who hung out with the adults. I had 
>several adults who became my friend who usually didn't care for children. I 
>learned a lot from them because they didn't know how to treat someone like a 
>child, so they treated me like a tiny adult, and I reallllly learned stuff 

That's what I do.  Can't come up with any other way to treat 'em.
From: christer@sue.komunity.se (Lindorm Eriksson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Fire Screens
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:02:41 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 09: 59 MET DST

Greetings unto the Rialto and especially Dafydd ap Gwystl, from Lindorm.

Dafydd:
> If I remember correctly the Tres Riches Heures du Duc de Berry (1415?)
> includes an illumination (December?) showing a wicker screen being used
> to shield the Duc from the direct heat of the fire.

You're almost correct. The screen appears in January, not December. My copy
of the Heures has comments by one Edmond Pognon. About the screen he only
says that it's a wicker screen protecting the duke's back. The screen's
round by the way. Acording to Pognon, January was painted by one of
Limbourg brothers who where at the Duke's court from 1408 and died at 1416.
The book was completed no later than 1489 by one Jean Colombe.

        Lindorm Eriksson <christer@Sue.KOMunity.Se>
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: sherman@trln.lib.unc.EDU ("Dennis R. Sherman")
Subject: braggot recipe
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:15:05 GMT

For those that were at the Rialto Party at Pennsic and liked the
Braggot I brought (2 liter unlabeled bottle), here's the recipe.

1.65# American Classic dark malt extract
2# honey
3 gal water

Bring mixture to a boil, skimming the scum as it rises.  When no
more scum rises, add the juice of 2 lemons and boil for 15 minutes.
(Caution:  I had more trouble with boilovers than I expected)
Remove from the heat, cover and cool.  When it gets to room
temperature, add 1 package EDME Ale Yeast and siphon into closed
fermentation vessel.  Rack in about 2 weeks, bottle about a 
month after that.  Let it age.  Be patient.  Very patient.  But
not as patient as for wine.  This particular batch was bottled
2/9/1992, so was in the bottle 6 months as of the Rialto party.
It underwent substantial change -- I tasted it a few weeks after
bottling, and again a few months later.

This recipe is not an historical artifact.  I invented it myself 
after reading as many braggot recipes as I could find, aiming for 
the simplest version possible.  Most braggots use quite a bit in
the way of spices, but I wanted to do something simple for my first.

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From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Conversational guidelines
Date: 10 Aug 92 06:23:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.713594709.F00002

BA>  From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
BA>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
BA>
BA>   [Re: Stephen:]  I realized then that
BA>   he actually says these words which sound drop-dead serious.  _In_
BA>   _person_, much of the harsh effect is negated by his expression, his
BA>   willingness (in general) to react reasonably, and his overall
BA>   demeanour.  Electronically, none of this "softening" occurs, so we
BA>   are just left with his words, which usually are on the blunt side.
BA>       Gwenllian CfM

In this case I apologize to Stephen with a much more heartfelt will.

Moreach NicMaolain
trifid@agora.rain.com
From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pennsic Land Allotment
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:38:07 GMT
Reply-To: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Hallo!

Tibor pondered on just how well this years land allotment system worked,
given that some camps appeared to have large vacant areas in them, while
others looked overstuffed in their alloted space.

Unfortunately, I doubt that *any* system is ever going to alleviate this
problem.  Why?  Because there will always be people who, with the best
of intentions, plan all year to go, but, at the last minute, cannot
(thus giving some groups "holes" where these folks were to be camped),
while others don't really know if they are going until the last minute,
or don't plan to go at all, but fortunate circumstances permit, again,
at the last minute (causing their camps to become overfull).

Calontir started requiring estimates of numbers and sizes of tents,
pavillons, etc. in MARCH, with the final requirements in place a full
month before the land lottery.  If memory serves, Calontir was shooting
for approx. 235 sq. ft. per person (including space for guy ropes and
fire pits).  In certain that other groups crammed more folks into
smaller areas in order to get the particular plot of land they wanted.

People will always want to camp with their shire, barony, household,
etc.  The more distant kingdoms will always try to fit as many of their
people into the "royal" encampment as they are able.  And folks who are
unable to say for certain whether or not they are able to make it until
after the land lottery surely don't want to deal with being forced to
camp in the "single" camping areas, possibly 1/4 mile or more away from
the rest of their group which has all the food!

From all the comments that I heard this year, it seemed that this year's
land lottery went smoother than it has for a while.  Of course, I didn't
talk to all 8200+ folks, either.

Mikjal Annarbjorn
-- 
Michael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
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From: vader@meryl.csd.uu.se ("]ke Eldberg")
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Under the kilt; Visby
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:58:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Greetings from William de Corbie!

A friend of mine has photographic evidence that it's true:
The Scots really do not wear anything under the kilt.
 
She was touring Edinburg castle and snapped a photo of
one of the guards, just as he turned around and stamped
his foot like soldiers do. It was only when the film was
developed that she discovered what had happened; the kilt
had lifted just enough to prove that the saying is true.
---

This year's Visby medieval week was attended by 627 people
from the SCA, making it the biggest event ever in Drachenwald.
At this rate of growth, we will soon make Pennsic look like
the Visby pity party :-)

William
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From: 00030929@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: Re: Clueless Classes; Grand Pennsic
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:47:09 GMT

Greetings to all, especially Nicholas van Leyden, from Vajk
 
Please read this as if it is spoken with a calm, but concerned, voice.
 
Nicholas writes:
 
  >  However, by making these accusations without specifics to
  >  back them up, you are casting aspersions on the entire class
  >  system, without giving anyone a chance to defend it or
  >  even determine if it should be defended.
 
I have been a class instructor.  I did not feel that Bertram was
casting aspersions on the whole system.  Furthermore, he explicitly
stated that there were instructors for whom he some respect (not a
quote here).
 
  >  How the heck should I know?  You're presenting us with a
  >  verdict and asking if it's correct without giving the
  >  facts of the case.
 
I think if you go back and read it carefully, the post made by
Bertram presented a specific case, and then posed a more
general question.  The two were related, but the question was
not specifically about the individual case.
 
  > That opinion does not sound very humble, no matter what
  > disclaimer you attach to it.
 
Ok, it wasn't very humble.  But I still believe it.  (Another caveat:
I don't think it's usually necessary to restrict someone forever,
just because of something like this.  Perhaps a class on "How to
teach a class at Pennsic", similar to the "How to write for
Tournaments Illuminated", is in order here).
 
  >  But many times the opinions of the scientific establishment
  >  are pigheaded.
 
Yes.  On the other hand, are you a member of that establishment?
My training at the college level is in the hard sciences, computers,
and mathematics.  I can tell you that there are many errors made
by scientists.  I can also tell you that when scientists speak they
speak to each other, not to the public, and that more often than
not their words are misinterpreted (see my earlier post on the subject
of this thread, with reference to Bertram's question).
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Arval writes:
 
  >  The more I think about it the more I like that idea:
  >  Call the War settled, and establish a Fair to commemorate
  >  the lasting peace.  Use a pageant based on the War ceremonies
  >  to recall ancient glories, without introducint new rancor.
 
I like this a *LOT*.  Well, you're a herald.  What kinds of
things should be in this ceremony?  Is there an established
protocol for it?  Is there any period established routine
for opening a fair?
 
Vajk
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Kids, Halflings, Gosling
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:17:36 -0500

archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writeth:

TA> "Um, kid, did your mommy say that you could play with that buzz saw?"

Not all that far fetched.  At Pennsic, I saw a rug rat pick up something off
the ground and appear to bite what looked like empty space between the ends of
its main U-shaped section.  As the father was sitting nearby, I was not
terribly concerned.  Then I realized with horror that it was a COPING SAW!!!

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From: zrwb15@hou.amoco.com (R. Wendel Bordelon)
Subject: I am visting St. Louis next week
Originator: zrwb15@firefly
Organization: Amoco Production Company, P&A Admin. Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:42:45 GMT


Greetings to all gathered at this fine bridge!	

I will be visiting the city of St. Louis during the week of
August 23-28 and would very much like to visit with members of 
the society while I am there.  Are there any activities planned 	
during the week?  Please reply directly so that we don't bother
the others gathered here. 	

  Thank you,
    --Francois
 
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From: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Great Court
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:23:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Aug19.192301.16178
Reply-To: bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, Dorothea wrote:

>In article <14920819133941.0003900943PK2EM@mcimail.com> 0003900943@mcimail.COM (Marla Lecin) writes:
>>
>>It was quite amusing to see Arval as Jade's herald.  (But Arval, doesn't
>>the West say "Hoobah" or some such instead of "Vivat"?)
>
>No it doesn't, then.  We say "Hip, Hip, Hurrah" x 3.

Mistress Dorothea is quite correct.  The "Hoobah" refrain is fairly
unique to the Midrealm.  While the exact origin is probably lost in the
mists of time, the apocryphal story told is that it originated as an
attempt to devise a more "period" way of shouting "Hubba, Hubba!" at a
particularly enthusiastic Middle Eastern dancer.

Mikjal Annarbjorn
Barony of Three Rivers, Calontir
Barony of Shattered Crystal, Midrealm
-- 
Michael A. Chance          St. Louis, Missouri, USA    "At play in the fields
Work: mc3078@sw1sta.sbc.com                             of St. Vidicon"
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From: DESPRADO@ksuvm.ksu.EDU ("Citizen G. Aquilius Maximus")
Subject: REQUEST for Roman Clothing Sources-- Smithsonian request
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:01:00 GMT

Unto the good Gentles of the Rialto doth Citizen G. Aquilius Maximus send
a most warm welcome (back for those of you at Pennsic) ...

   Since my recent personna change has left me all but garbless, and since my
college's library is, um, shall we say LACKING any decent clothing books from
before 17th century England, I was wondering if any good Gentle on the Rialto
would know of a book or two in which I could find good, reliable sources for
early 2nd century legionaire's clothing, i.e. daily dress out of uniform.
  Gaius Aquilius Maximus is a legionaire in the VII Gemina, which is presently
preparing for its winter quarters in NorthEastern Spain.  So if anyone knows
of ANY sources in which I could find information to CLOTHE my person, I would,
needless to say, be most! grateful.

   ALONG this line, it has been suggested to me by the good Lady who will be
creating these wonderful garments for me, that I look to the Smithsonian for
sources.  This is an excellent idea, I thought, but I was wondering if anyone
knew of an E-MAIL address for the Smithsonian-- perchance an information net-
work???

   ANY and ALL help will be met with open arms and hearty sigh of relief on my
part.  The winters in the north get down right CHILLY without clothes! So
please, look past all those things Rome has done to your country and your
countrymen ... honest! we thought you wanted indoor plumbing!


   A very good night to you all,

  Citizen G. Aquilius Maximus, Knight's Marshal of the Shire of Spinning Winds,
    in the Kingdom of Calontir.
From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Interesting garb factoid (again)
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:12:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


	I got a new book at Pennsic (a lot of new books, actually) which has
a little more evidence for underwear discussion
	_The Needlework of Mary, Queen of Scots_, Margaret Swain 
		Van Nostrand Reinhold Co. 1973

p. 28
	"From the accounts of the merchants who supplied her in 1551 it is 
possible to glimpse the splendour of her wardrobe. ... The accounts also 
reveal, for instance, that the young Queen wore drawers, sometimes of fine 
wool, sometimes of cambric - garments that were not common in England at that 
time, and were still considered improper by Samuel Pepys a century later."

	Does anyone have the relevant quotes by Samuel Pepys? I'm curious
just what he said.
	I was also incorrect in my somewhat offhand comment that wool was
not used for underwear at the time. I'm still willing to give it a pass
though :)
					-Ilaine

-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Subduing evil by dancing on a dwarf,
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Nataraja, the lord of Dance, 
                   | 	bestows grace on the world.
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Update (End)
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:57:11 GMT

I wrote down that the final count, as posted in the Troll Booth,
was "8278 actual people".

Considering the pre-registration numbers quoted here were over 9000,
I have some doubts about the quality of the land allocation system.
It had seemed to me, in advance, that a large number of people would
register for space, just in case they decided to go.  This left some
plots of land overcrowded in order to leave empty space for those who
never came.  And, the Coopers prepared for folks they made no money
from.

Perhaps, next year, they should charge in advance for at least War
Weekend, when you reserve the space...  Or find another way to prevent
large "ghost encampments".  Thoughts?

	Tibor
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From: pwf2@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Joe Ballantyne)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Help!! Please!!
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:48:21 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)


Would someone be so kind as to explain what this section is about? I'm sorry,
I was "browsing" through the net titles and found this by accident, but once
I started reading it I became very curious as to what it is.
I'm feeling like a real dolt asking this question, but could this be anything
that involves people who participate in Renaissance Faires and such?
And what is SCA?

Thanks for the help. Please respond here on the net so that if others are
curious, they can learn something about it as well.

Thanks! (I went to my first Renaissance Faire last summer in Novato, California
and it was GRRRR-EAT!!)