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From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: uumail with sendmail
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:06:48 GMT
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745

I started using uumail with sendmail - and have
it setup so that all uux traffic is sent through
uumail

with the above setup, will all traffic that hits
my machine be re-routed based on my paths?

or will uumail ignore prerouted bangpaths?

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From: frankm@shadow.CNA.TEK.COM (Frank 'Scruff' Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: 'alises' in from line
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:18:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

I'm curious about setting up users to have an alias that
matches their actual name (i.e. Frank.Miller for frankm).

I understand how to set up aliases to process the mail once
the mail is received (Frank.Miller:frankm), but how do I
get an alias in the from line instead of the real user name.

Please pardon the goofy question.

Thanks,

Frank
--
Frank 'Scruff' Miller      "A Perl script is correct if it is halfway readable
Tek CNA Division            and gets the job done before the boss fires you."
frankm@master.CNA.TEK.COM   -Larry Wall
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: aggarwal@tigger.jvnc.net (Vikas Aggarwal)
Subject: Replacing UUCP with SMTP in this age...
Summary: Any 'neat' way to do with SMTP what UUCP can do
Originator: aggarwal@r2d2.jvnc.net
Keywords: SMTP, UUCP, IDA
Organization: JvNCnet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:03:04 GMT

I have run into this problem earlier, and have recieved some help but
would now like to ask a larger audience.

More and more people are moving to dialup IP protocols like SLIP, CSLIP
and PPP. IN all of these 'dialup' cases, mail has to be typically stored
on another system and transferred when the dialup system connects.

Typically, UUCP provides a very good store and transfer mechanism.
What's unique about the protocol is that the messages are stored on the
mailserver, and transferred when the *dialup* host is ready to download
them.

What I need (and I think is needed by a lot in this community), is a
similar functionality using IP instead of UUCP. IDA sendmail has a
batched SMTP feature, but what is needed is for the mail to wait on the
server and a way for the dialup host to force the server to start
delivering the mail via SMTP when it dials up.

IN other words, is there a way for an Internet host to store mail for
a remote (dialup) host and then initiate the SMTP connection when the
remote host wants (typically when the remote host connects via
PPP/SLIP).

Thanks, and any advise and discussion is appreciated.


 -vikas                                                     (609) 258-2403
 vikas@jvnc.net	                                  ...rutgers!jvncnet!vikas
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From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: Replacing UUCP with SMTP in this age...
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:48:23 GMT
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central

VA> == Vikas Aggarwal <aggarwal@tigger.jvnc.net> 

 VA> More and more people are moving to dialup IP protocols like SLIP, CSLIP
 VA> and PPP. IN all of these 'dialup' cases, mail has to be typically stored
 VA> on another system and transferred when the dialup system connects.

 VA> Typically, UUCP provides a very good store and transfer mechanism.
 VA> What I need (and I think is needed by a lot in this community), is
 VA> a similar functionality using IP instead of UUCP.

Options I've seen used include the old standby UUCP-over-TCP, a "finger
trigger" where fingering the 'server' causes it to flush the queue for
that client, and there's always the TURN command in SMTP, if anyone ever
implemented it ;-)
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: '=' addresses for IDA sendmail?
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:04:43 GMT

In article <Bun0qB.34J@irvine.com> jsweet@irvine.com (Jerry Sweet) writes:
>
>MMDF has a facility whereby an address of the form "<user>=<whatever>"
>gets delivered to <user>, and the entire "<user>=<whatever>" address
>is still provided in the message envelope destination address.

>So...has anyone implemented this "=" address facility as an IDA
>sendmail ruleset?

The real problem with this is in the delivery agent.  For the standard
/bin/mail delivery agent, the message envelope is the name of the
mailbox.  You would need a delivery agent which allowed passing the
recipient name and the envelope as two separate pieces of information.
But then sendmail doesn't allow you to pass both to the mailer.

You could perhaps do something like this if you use a combination of
Chip Salzenberg's deliver package and slocal (comes with mh) as a delivery
agent.  One way would be to deliver such addresses to the 'deliver'
mailer from with the full 'user=whatever' envelope, and have the system
deliver shell script echo the pipeline

	user|/usr/local/lib/mh/slocal user user=whatever $SENDER

and then slocal can look at the 'user=whatever' string to decide how
to dispose of the message.  It is all probably not worth the effort.
From: peter@merlin.acadiau.ca (Peter Steele)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Nested mail?
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:42:35 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

Does anyone know what this error means? I've never seen this one before:

sendmail[13607]: AA13607: SYSERR: Nested MAIL command
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: oneworld!charles (Charles W. Cooper II)
Subject: Multiple sendmail sessions w/sendmail 5.65
Reply-To: charles@oneworld.wa.com
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:51:17 GMT


I have Sendmail 5.65 (with IDA patches but not IDA running) installed on a NeXT  
computer.  

The transport mail via SLIP which is activated from crontab (/usr/lib/sendmail  
-q)

In the operation of  mailing lists from my machine, I'll have an entry that  
gets processed by Sendmail one reciepient at a time, I would like the sendmail  
to initiate several sendmail processes.  This will hopefully cut down on my  
online time with my SLIP connection.

Are there any command line switches to be activated to get sendmail to do this?   
Are there any known problems with this setup that would prevent multiple  
sendmail sessions?

Thanks for any info on this.

Charles Cooper
charles@oneworld.wa.com
From: bonde@daimi.aau.dk (Nis Peder Bonde)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: What's special about port 25 ?
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:54:16 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.141247.8306@aau.dk>, adminpb@aau.dk (Nis Peder Bonde) writes:
>|> I have made a little change in my Sendmail.mc-file.
>...
>|> When testing the rule, it seems to work fine:
>...
>|> But: When I telnet to port 25 of the machine to do the same job, I doesn't:
>...
>|> How come?

>Did you restart the sendmail daemon?  Sendmail reads the configuration
>file once when started.  If the configuration file is changed, any
>daemon sendmail will need to be restarted.  Typically, it is a daemon
>which listens on port 25 (started with "sendmail -bd").  In this case,
>I suspect that the daemon was still running with the old idea of the
>configuration.

Of course that was the problem :-)))))))))))))
What an embarrasing mistake!
Thanks for your kind help.

                                Bonde
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Systemadministrator, Datakontoret, Aarhus University
Phone     : +45 86 20 27 11 ext. 4993

Monday    : 10-12
Tuesday   : 12-14
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From: jsweet@irvine.com (Jerry Sweet)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: '=' addresses for IDA sendmail?
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:54:10 GMT
Organization: Irvine Compiler Corp., Irvine, California, USA


MMDF has a facility whereby an address of the form "<user>=<whatever>"
gets delivered to <user>, and the entire "<user>=<whatever>" address
is still provided in the message envelope destination address.

This allows users to operate on their own incoming mail via the
"=<whatever>" key.  For example, if I were to subscribe to a
mailing list, say, "mail-zombies", I could arrange for mail to be
sent to "jsweet=mail-zombies".  This would cause mail from that list
to be delivered to "jsweet", and I could key off the "=mail-zombies"
part to sort my incoming mail automatically.

So...has anyone implemented this "=" address facility as an IDA
sendmail ruleset?
From: garyb@gcm.com (Gary Blumenstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: IDA Sendmail, Where to get?
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:57:00 GMT
Organization: Greenwich Capital Markets, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


Would some kind sould tell me where I can get the latest release
of IDA sendmail?  I need to know where I can ftp the sources and
the directory where the sources are kept and the filename(s).

Many thanks!
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From: hakan@Sweden.Prime.COM (Hakan Sjogren)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: sendmail/IDA startup problem Help wanted.
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:37:59 GMT
Organization: Computervision Sweden


I then started the process by sendmail -bd -q15m .
Sendmail never starts, the process list has an entry
"waiting for connection" . 

Any help to this would be much appriciated.
The environment is SunOS4.1.1/motorola

This is the minimum m4-file used during bug-searching:

define(LIBDIR, /usr/local/lib/mail)
define(ALIASES, /etc/aliases)
define(BANGIMPLIESUUCP)
define(RELAY_HOST, sth-a.prime.com)
define(RELAY_MAILER, TCP)
define(UUCPNAME, xsun1)
include(Sendmail.mc)

H}kan Sj|gren
Computervision Sweden
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Subject: How to make sendmail Do The Right Thing with UUCP
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:50:44 GMT
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

Forgive me if the answer to this is a bit obvious, but I'm a new
sendmail admin and haven't seen anything about this ANYWHERE...

Basically, what I'm looking to do is make sendmail use a bang-path in
the envelope address, but leave the headers in @-format when sending
to a site via UUCP.  The problem is that I've been able to do one, but
not the other -- i.e., I can either have sendmail use @-format
in both the envelope and the headers, or bang-paths in both the
envelope and the headers, but not a mix of the two.  Is there any way
to do what I want with the version of sendmail I'm running here (stock
BSD sendmail 5.65)?

-- 
Marc Unangst                | Real men don't use Windows.  Real men use X. 
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | Only a real man would use a GUI where the
                            | shift keys after "Alt" are "Super" and "Hyper."
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: paulz@olivetti.nl (Paul van der Zwan)
Subject: bounce in smail3.1.27
Organization: Olivetti Nederland BV, Leiden, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:00:00 GMT

Is there a way to have smail 3.1.27 bounce just the header lines of the 
failed mail, in stead of the entire message ??
I have checked the man-pages but couldn't find anything about such
an option.

	Paul van der Zwan ( paulz@olivetti.nl
			  ( postmaster@olivetti.nl)
From: vds7789@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Vincent D. Skahan)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: Replacing UUCP with SMTP in this age...
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:53:43 GMT
Organization: none

ummm, since there ARE oh, a few 10,000 or so uucp-only
sites out there, how can people possibly dump UUCP ?

we aren't all connected to an Internet site.
we don't all have SLIP, etc.



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   ---------   Vince Skahan   -----------   vince@atc.boeing.com   ---------   
	I've finally realized that if you throw enough money and bodies
	at non-existant problems, that they really do appear...
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: grmensz@grmensz.erenj.com (Gary R. Menszyk)
Subject: Rewriting headers
Followup-To: comp.mail.sendmail
Organization: Exxon Research and Engineering, New Jersey
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:28:05 GMT

We are trying to setup mail servers and name servers such that all mail
sent out via the Internet will show the address of each user as in the
domain erenj.com.  Internally we are connecting a number of sites together
which do not have Internet access.  For that internal environment, we want
to be able to utilize a different naming structure.  E.g. the internal name
would be based on the following convention:

   <user>@<machine>.<organization>.<geographic region>.<company>.com

We want all machines machines to point to a domain based on this latter
convention, but want all mail to go out under the erenj.com domain.

I have heard that some mailers incorrectly use information contained in the
From: part of the message to establish a return address. Although we could
rewrite the information in the address portion of the message, if this
situation exists, we will have a problem with messages which are replied to
using a <company>.com domain which is not accessible via the Internet.

Comments????
From: svp@cam-orl.co.uk
Newsgroups: mail.uk-sendmail-workers,comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: wot no <> magic token?
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:42:29 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.5

Running uk-sendmail 2.1 (under sunos 4.1.2) it seems that /usr/lib/sendmail
core dumps if an incoming SMTP connection (eg from JIPS) specifies a null name
in the sender in the envelope - ie if it opens up with :-

 MAIL FROM: <>

Apparently this is just the thing to do when delivering error reports (rfc822?)
and a local smail site has been filling our /usr/spool/mqueue with
zero-length queue-files and an 8Mb corefile every 15 minutes. Good fun.

SUN's sendmail.cf files all seem to have the smail-proofing rules :-

| # handle "from:<>" special case
| R$*<>$*                 $@@                    turn into magic token
|  ...
| R@                      $@$n                   handle <> error addr

but as far as I can see, standard uk-sendmail doesn't seem to buld this in.

Has anyone fixed this already please?

Steve Platt
email:      postmaster@cam-orl.co.uk
smail-mail: <>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
From: Steve.Ball@cs.anu.edu.au (Steven Ball)
Subject: showto broken
Keywords: showto IDA sendmail
Reply-To: Steve.Ball@cs.anu.edu.au
Organization: Computer Science Department, ANU, Australia
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:12:16 GMT


Firstly, is there an FAQ for sendmail?  If there is then I couldn't find it...

Last week I installed sendmail 5.65c + IDA 1.4.4.1 (and what a beautiful
thing it is :-).  All user's return addresses are now being rewritten as their
full name.  However, one of our users (the Head of the Department,
no less :-(  ) found a problem.  He uses Sun's mailtool (OW 3.0, SunOS 4.1.1)
and sets the "showto" variable (so that mail cc'd to himself shows up as
"To: <recipient>").  This worked fine pre-IDA sendmail, but doesn't work
anymore (mail turns up as being from himself).

Note that "showto" works fine for ELM, but I'd like it to work for mailtool.

Looking at the mail message headers, I can only surmise that mail(tool) isn't
smart enough to figure out that the mail was from the same user.  It probably
takes the From: line verbatim and compares that to the login name (or 
something like that).  Is there a workaround?

---
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Snail-mail: GPO Box 4, CANBERRA CITY ACT 2600, AUSTRALIA
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From: gbarnet@uswnvg.com (Gary Barnette)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Returning error messages
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:03:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: US West NewVector, Inc., Bellevue, WA
Originator: gbarnet@fred.uswnvg.com


A little help, please.

I am trying to track down a problem with truncated return addresses.

When an error messages is generated on our end (ei. user unknown)
the address that is used to send back to the originator looses some
characters from the right side. It looks OK in the From: field
(no Reply-field is present) but not when it gets to the To: field. 
This problem only exists for automated replies to error messages. 
It does not happen with regular usage. Addresses go through ruleset 0 
just fine.

Can someone please tell me the sequence that sendmail goes through
to return an error message? A better understanding of how it works
may help me figure it out.

Please note that I have already read all the standard sendmail docs
plus _Unix System Administration Handbook_, and rfc's 821 and 822.
I've also picked up a few docs form the uunet archive. I don't claim,
however, that I didn't miss something of importance.

This one has me stumped.


Thank you,

Gary Barnette
USWEST NewVector, Inc.
gbarnet@uswnvg.com
uunet!uswnvg!gbarnet
From: avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio)
Subject: Re: Nested mail?
Reply-To: avolio@dco.DEC.COM (Frederick M. Avolio)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:40:30 GMT


It means that in the middle of sending one mail message -- in the conversation
with sendmail -- another mail command showed up before the first one was 
finished.

For example, in sending mail to another host, your local sendmail might
issues commands in this order:

Helo

Mail From: <some address>  (This is the MAIL command telling the sendmail to
				which you are connected that you are sendin
				mail)
rcpt to: <the to address>

data


And then the mail goes here up to a line with a period only in the
first position.  this signals the foreign sendmail that the mail is completed.

Perhaps the foreign sendmail is seeing another mail command before it is 
seeing a data command.

Fred
From: tucker@bedford.progress.COM (Kyle Tucker)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Accessing aliases during rebuild
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:24:09 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@bedford.progress.COM
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

Hi all,
	I beleive sendmail is supposed to note that the alias file is
being rebuilt and not try to access for a moment, but every couple of days,
mail bounces on perfectly legitimate aliases, right about the time I am
running newaliases. Shouldn't sendmail in fact detect the rebuild and hold
off accessing the files until it is rebuilt? Is this a bug with SUN OS 4.1.x's sendmail?

Thanks, Kyle 
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From: adminpb@aau.dk (Nis Peder Bonde)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: What's special about port 25 ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:12:47 GMT
Organization: Aarhus University, Denmark

Architecture: Sun Sparc
OS: SunOS 4.1.1
Sendmail version: IDA Sendmail 5.61++/IDA-1.2.8

I have made a little change in my Sendmail.mc-file.
The following line is inserted in ruleset #26 just before the
mailertable-rules:

R$+@.$+.bitnet		$#TCP $@vm.uni-c.dk $:$1@.$2

When testing the rule, it seems to work fine:

% sendmail -bt
> 3,0 test@test.bitnet
rewrite: ruleset  3   input: test @ test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset  3 returns: test @ . test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset  0   input: test @ . test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset 29   input: test @ . test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset 29 returns: test @ . test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset 26   input: test @ . test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset  2   input: test @ . test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset 25   input: test @ . test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset 25 returns: test @ . test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset  2 returns: test @ . test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset 10   input: test @ . test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset 10 returns: test @ . test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset  4   input: test @ . test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset  4 returns: test @ test . bitnet
rewrite: ruleset 26 returns: $# TCP $@ vm . uni-c . dk $: test @ . test
rewrite: ruleset  0 returns: $# TCP $@ vm . uni-c . dk $: test @ . test
>

When sending to bitnet FROM the machine that sendmail runs on, it also
works fine (of course vm.uni-c.dk doesn't know about a machine called
"test" on bitnet, so I receive an error-message from vm.uni-c.dk).

But: When I telnet to port 25 of the machine to do the same job, I doesn't:

% telnet aau.dk 25
Trying 129.142.17.240 ...
Connected to aau.dk.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 Welcome to IDA Sendmail 5.61++/IDA-1.2.8 running on aau.dk
MAIL FROM: adminpb@aau.dk
250 adminpb@aau.dk... Sender ok
RCPT TO: test@test.bitnet
554 test@test.bitnet... Host test not known within the bitnet domain

Obviously there is a difference in the way sendmail handles messages
from local users and from remote users.

How come?
Have I done something obviously wrong?
Am I missing the point?

				Bonde
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Nis Peder Bonde (adminpb@aau.dk, staff@aau.dk)
Systemadministrator, Datakontoret, Aarhus University
Phone     : +45 86 20 27 11 ext. 4993

Monday    : 10-12
Tuesday	  : 12-14
Wednesday : 12-14
Thursday  : 12-14
Friday	  : 10-11
From: cytron@helios.dfci.harvard.edu (Andrew Cytron)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Final newline required??
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:21:54
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Distribution: comp.mail.sendmail
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.dfci.harvard.edu


Hello, 

I am trying to ascertain if a final newline is required for messages 
by the sendmail/the standard for INTERNET TEXT MESSAGES (rfc822).  I looked
over rfc822 and the sendmail man pages but could find no mention  of this.
Did I miss anything?  Or is it not-required?  

				Thanks,

					A. Cytron