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From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Multiple ST Roles
Date: 27 Dec 92 12:59:48 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <chil.725047259@sfu.ca>, chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim) writes:
> sro@media.mit.edu (Shawn O'Donnell) writes:
> 
>>Hey, ewing@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Rick Ewing) is right--Majel Barret
>>has played three species: human nurse what's her name, Betazoid
>>Lwaxana, and in the Menagerie/original pilot, she played, I think, a
>>Vulcan (or other pointy-eared species) first officer.  Three.  And a
>>computer to boot.
> 
> No, Spock was the token alien crewmember in the pilot. "Number One" was
> human, so that character is the same species as the character Nurse 
> Chapel. I agree though, if we consider "the computer" as a "species", that
> makes three for Barrett. (Note: actually, she isn't so much playing the
> computer, but only its voice output, so even if a computer is considered a
> species, this is pushing it a bit. A person's voice is not the same as the
> person, i.e., is not equivalent to the person's consciousness, the mental
> processes, etc. that define what a person is. But let's not get into a
> philosophical discussion here.)
> 
> [BTW, there's a bit of very minor crossdiscussion happening here. Let's
> be clear whether we're dicussing different *roles* or different *species*.
> The latter more-or-less necessarily implies the former, but not vice versa.]
> 
> Some others I've thought of:
> 
> Diana Muldaur has played three roles (but only two species, I think)
> Christopher Collins has appeared as a Klingon and a Pakled.
> Brent Spiner has played an android and a human (and did he play a Borg?--
>      the first one the appeared in Q Who)
> Robert O'Reilly played both a Klingon (Gowron) and has appeared as a (human)
>      holodeck character (in Manhunt). This may be pushing it a bit.
> John Putch has played two different Benzite characters.
> 
> Of course, there's always Colm Meaney and Michael Rider.
> 
  -- 
> Keith_Lim@sfu.ca   Simon Fraser University, Burnaby B.C., V5A 1S6, Canada
> ** Hon Cog Sci  Min Psyc  Senate  URC  FARSIDE  LEAD  CCCS  COCP  PSU  **
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> 
> "Kitchen utensils and vegetables! Yesssss!!" --"S.S.", on the new Purity Test
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From: nyoung@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Racismo en Espania/racismo en Str
Date: 24 Dec 92 21:53:12 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

Somewhere in the dark, dim, past (at a point almost as dim
as myself), there was an old series episode about this race
of beings on a planet which had nearly destroyed themselves.
In fact, they got as far as the  last two guys. Now one of these
guys was, as I remember, a dude named "Beel" or something. He
had a two-tone face, black on one side, white on the other.
His opponent had a similar face, but the white and black sides
reversed. They were of two different races and they hated
each other. Does anyone remember that episode name? And maybe
even the name of the other guy?

See, there was a picture in the 23 NOvember 92 edition of 
EL PAIS, the Spanish newspaper, where a bunch of Spanish students
and Madrid citizens were protesting the murder of an immigrant
citizen from the Dominican Republic. The protestors, protesting
against the racist undertones of the murder, wore one half of their
faces in white and the other in black. I wondered if the protesters
knew the history of their symbolic gesture.

Nils
From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Body Double for Aunt Esther)
Subject: Patrick Stewart's New Year's Resolution
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 05:23:05 GMT

Just seen on The Tonight Show:

"In 1993 I will transfer all my CD's to 8-track tape so that I can play them
 in my `68 Mustang."


Indeed, does he own a `68 'Stang?
-- 
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From: ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 20:23:49 GMT

Some argue that when she is with a patient this helps relieve stress...That's
all well and good, but when she is on bridge duty or on an away mission I
see no reason whatsoever why she should not be in standard issue starfleet
uniform. If Picard lets her get away with it then it's ok as long as Picard
is in command. However, if another captain, who is stricter on dress codes,
is her commanding officer then it is not ok. 

Don't remember if he specifically told her not to wear the jumpsuit when with
patients, but he certainly demands it not to be worn on the bridge.


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From: trogers@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Re: THE ENTERPRISE'S TOILETS? READ! RESPOND! LAUGH!
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:07:39 GMT
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Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In <1992Dec21.145608.18012@sx.mont.nec.com> ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.231819.26120@uumeme.chi.il.us> rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec18.233301.13230@bsu-ucs> 00jlrushton@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>>>What devices are in the Enterprises bathroom?
>>
>
>How about not needing to go at all, because there's a continous 
>program running on the transport which detects when you need to go
>and just beams it away when needed. :)
>-- 
>Ellison Chan, Comp. Sys. Analyst               2350 Place TransCanadienne
>HNSX Supercomputers Inc., NEC Corp.        Dorval, Quebec, Canada H9P 2X5
>E-mail: ellison@SX.Mont.NEC.COM          (514)684-7705, FAX (514)684-8619


Excellent idea.  I bet this was working on the NCC 1701, too.  I can see Scotty
transporting human waste to Klingon cruisers just like so many Tribbles.  :-)

Regards,
Tom Rogers
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From: ewing@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Rick Ewing)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Troi's section
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:42:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
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Organization: Vanderbilt University Academic Computing Center


> Now that we see Troi wearing a blue uniform, there is no longer any doubt
> that she is attached to the medical section.  Therefore even if she was an
> admiral she couldn't have ever taken operational command of the big "E".
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Well, that's already happened.  In "Disaster", Troi was the senior ranking
officer still alive on the bridge, and was therefore in command of the
vessel, or at least as much of command as she could have considering the
ship was in bad shape with no communications.  Also, in the ST:TOS novel
"Doctor's Orders", Kirk leaves Dr. McCoy with the conn as a joke to see if
McCoy could handle it while he went on a routine ambassador mission.  The
mission went ary and McCoy actually had to give orders.

--Rick Ewing
  Vanderbilt University
From: pavlovic@ehsc.orst.edu (James Pavlovich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Tech Manuals
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:10:07 GMT
Organization: Environmental Health Sciences Center, Oregon State University
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In article <1992Dec28.124730.1162@mala.bc.ca> dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
>From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
>Subject: Tech Manuals
>Date: 28 Dec 92 12:47:30 -0700
>
>---------------------------Original-Message----------------------------
>
>	I just got the Star Trek: The Next Generation tech manual
>and was wondering.   Is they're a tech manual for the original
>series, how about Deep Space Nine?   If so, do you know where?
>
>	LIVE LONG AND PROSP
>	
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>-- 
>
>***********************************************************************
>Patrick A. Dunae
>History Department                    Phone:  (604) 753-3245 (loc 2130)
>Malaspina University College          FAX:    (604) 741-2667
>Nanaimo, B.C., Canada V9R 5S5         INTERNET:  dunae@mala.bc.ca 

I had a Star Fleet Technical Manual back in the early 70's that was very 
similar in format to the one currently available for ST:TNG.  Like a fool, I 
gave it away a few years ago.  I don't think it has been available for many 
years.  It's probably worth something as a collector's item, now.  So it 
goes.

jgp
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: data watch
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:36:20 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec28.172557.541@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

>(sigh)
>Right.  Ranks and positions one more time, as there is an error in
>the above text, although it is nice of Jason to try.  

>OPERATIONS MANAGER/SCIENCE OFFICER/SECOND OFFICER: Lt. Cmdr. Data. 2.5 pips.
>			Yellow. :) Operations Division.

(sigh)
Nice of you to try also, but there is still an error.

Data is not and never has been Science Officer.  He has never
been called Science Officer on the show, does not wear a blue
science uniform (as Spock did), and the Writer's Guide states
that he is *not* Science Officer.

In my opinion, he should be, but he's not.
From: larry@shiva.ca.boeing.com (Larry Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Why Data has white face
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:18:48 GMT
Reply-To: larrym@shiva.ca.boeing.com
Organization: QCDS

Why is it that in 500 years they're still building androids that do not
look human? Do you think if Data ever gets the *emotion* chip from his 
brother, that he might inexplicably turn into a more *human* looking color?

It's always bugged me!
 
-- 
Larry Miller                                             \"If it ain't BOEING
Boeing Computer Services     larry@shiva.ca.boeing.com    \  I ain't going"
Seattle, WA
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From: nyoung@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: CoC: How much like work!
Date: 27 Dec 92 21:58:17 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

To add my own two cents about CoC, here's the following flame
fuel:

Capt Jellico: I disliked the guy from in front. I work for a guy
like that, and believe me, he's taken the fun out of my job. Fact
is, he's taken the fun out of life a lot of times. I think I'll
go see Troi about it.

Torture: The comment above says a lot about my own toture. Beyond
that, my son thought it was stolen right out of 1984. I told him
it was stolen out of A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch and
maybe An American in the Gulag: Alexander Dulgin's Story. Tremendous
acting, tremendous realism. Can anyone say Augusto Pinochet?

Treatment: Man, if I had gone through what Picard went trhough,
I'd have been seeing five lights after the first fall. Like the old
Lenny Bruce bit about the hot lead enema, "Screw You, Jim. I'd make
up secrets!"

Overall: It reminded me of my boss.

Nils
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review - "Chain of Command Part II" SPOILERS!
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:32:42 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

What a bunch of sniveling overly analytical bedwetters. 

Get a life, STTG is a great form of entertainment compared to most of the
crap that is on TV these days. They do with a million dollars an episode
what most film makers can't do with 30 million.

This just a TV program, lighten up.

Sheesh,

Rod (I am Not A Borg Yet) Beckwith 


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From: zakons@halcyon.com (Scott Allan Zakon)
Subject: Re: Troi is capable of wearing a uniform (SPOILERS)
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:34:43 GMT

One small point I'd like to add. . .Jellico, in slamming Troi, told her
to wear a STANDARD uniform.  This doesn't mean that she hadn't been
wearing some form of uniform all along.  Maybe a light duty uniform.
Scott A Zakon 		zakons@halcyon.com
From: depeche@jab.tucson.az.us (John David)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A must to see (hear)
Keywords: Toilets, enterprise
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 08:24:44 MST
Organization: Just Another Bbs. Tucson, AZ

> Interestingly enough, in the Star Trek edition of After Dark, one of the
> modules is called "Scotty's Files", which displays schematics of various
> parts of the old Enterprise, as well as equipment.  One of these schematics i
> a view of the bridge, and there IS a toilet marked and labeled as such.  It's
> located just to the right of the main viewscreen.  Right there, where the
> Captain can always see it, so he knows who's taking their sweet time in 
> there...
> 
> 	-Saverio


Actually, in each and every series (TOS, Movies, TNG) there is a 
reference, in one form or another, to restrooms.  In TOS, the only 
reference I could find is in the Original Series Tech Manual, where a 
close examination of the layout of the main bridge  shows very clearly, 
adjacent to the main viewscreen, a toilet (it is not abundantly clear to 
me how to get there, however!); not to mention the fact that every single 
diagram of crew quarters there is a bathroom.  As for the movies, Scott's 
Guide shows that if one travels through the starboard turbolift, past the 
shuttle entry hatch we saw as Spock boarded in ST:TMP, one will sonn 
reach the bathroom.  We also saw Ilia in her sonic shower....hubba hubba!
Anyway, TNG is a little harder, but in the episode where the 
silicon-microbrains took over the computer (Home Soil?!?!), there is a 
mention that the microbrain has locked several people in "the 
programmers' restroom."  I'm not sure about the bridge, but I'd bet that if 
you were to go through the conference room and out the door not leading 
to the bridge, there's a bathroom somewhere along the way.

That's it for this edition of bathroom talk, I'm John David, KNST News.
From: hsia@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Richard Hsia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Comments on "Chain of Commmand Part I" and Part II
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:51:36 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

I just saw part II last night.  Without giving anything away, I have to agree
that Patrick Stewart really gave an outstanding performance, so intense that 
I felt rather uncomfortable watching it.  As someone mentioned, perhaps this
is an episode that parents may not want their younger children to watch (quite
a departure from this season's earlier fare, e.g. Rascals, etc.).  I haven't
seen such intense drama on TV in ages.  Stewart deserves an Emmy this year, or
at least a nomination for this episode...

Side note:  I also wathced a repeat of "Future Imperfect" last night. It
was interesting to see Troi in her blue uniform in both episodes.
***mini spoiler alert****

Also got to see Data in his first officer uniform in both FI and CoC II. A
coincidence?

Lastly.  Did anyone else feel the same kind of parallel watching Jelico 
shake things up in CoC I as Rosalind Shays did on LA Law a few years back?
It really got you to think about how laid back the crew normally was, just
as Roz did to the lawyer crew way back then...

Richard


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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:12:28 GMT

msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:

>What do we do about B5 when it comes out. Most of the B5 stuff
>I've read on the newsgroups has been in the ras newsgroups? Are
>*we* going to treat it Star Trek even though it isn't Star
>Trek? Remember, we're treating DSN as Star Trek when it isn't
>(technically) Star Trek. It's just made by the Star Trek people
>and ties into the Star Trek Universe. *We* are the ones who are
>going to want to compare it to DSN, and to talk about it,
>anyway. Because of this problem (and the DSN problem), I
>propose this:

DSN is most certainly Star Trek. What do you call something that's made by
the Star Trek people, in the Star Trek universe with Star Trek aliens, 
Star Trek technology, produced as Star Trek, has Star Trek in it name 
(Star Trek: Deep Space Nine), and has TONS of TNG crossover? Sounds like
Star Trek to me, how 'bout you?

>New Groups:
>TNG: current
>TNG: misc
>TNG: info
>TNG: fandom

>TOS: movies
>TOS: series
>TOS: books

>DSN: current
>DSN: misc
>DSN: info
>DSN: fandom

>B5: current
>B5: misc
>B5: info
>B5: fandom

>Crossovers: TNG and DSN
>Comparisons: DSN and B5
>Parodies: ST and B5

Seems exactly what most people are trying to avoid: To many areas to get
things confused with. It seems like (If I understand you right here) you
want *18* different message areas for four series, one of which is no 
longer on the air. Seems like a LOT more than we need.

			CtB
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From: jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca (jeff bamford)
Subject: Re: `Cheers woman
Organization: Audio Research Group, University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:10:04 GMT

In article <abick.725917735@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>In <1993Jan1.190601.8816@fuug.fi> an92@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>>Sacha Netters!
>
>>My friend and I were watching STIII:TVH the other night and noticed that 
>>the woman who played Savick looked very similar to that woman from 
>>Cheers, was it just us or is this the same woman?  Or arewe we spending 
>>too much time in front of the ol' boob tube?  :-)  ;)
>
>I don't know if you are spending enough time around the tv, but you
>shouldn't be spending so much time in front of a computer terminal. It is
>making you very confused.
>First off, there is no such thing as STIII:TVH! You either mean STIII:TSFS
>(The Search for Spock) or STIV:TVH (The Voyage Home). Which one is it?
>As for Savick being the same person as (I assume you mean Rebecca) the
>woman from Cheers, you still have the movie wrong! That would be STII: The
>Wrath of Khan. (Incidentally, I forget her ST name, but it wasn't Savick.)
>If you do mean Savick (from either STIII or STIV) then I'm not sure which
>Cheers actress you mean, because she doesn't look familiar to me. (Maybe
>she guest starred on Cheers?)
>
>Alan Bick

	Well, Robin Curtis played Saavik (not Savick!) in the third
and fourth Trek movies, perhaps that is what you mean.  The original
poster wanted confirmation that Kirstie Alley plays Ms. Howe on the 
NBC show "Cheers" and Saavik in the *second* movie.  Perhaps they
were *trying* to be funny.  It is an anonymous posting.

JeffB


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From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 28 Dec 1992 14:20:59 GMT
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
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> would be no less valid then having a Gloria Steinem or Jane Fonda or Sigourney
> Weaver type (or any other more "liberal" sorts) in command.  But I doubt that
> it would make any of the people who long for a female captain very happy.

i dont know, i think ripley would make an excellent "battle ship" captain
(ncc 1701-c).



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From: dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 on Superstation WGN channel 9 Chicago
Date: 29 Dec 1992 19:33 CST
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In article <rccarm00.725675969@mik.uky.edu>, rccarm00@nx19.mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes...
}mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:
}>	I just got next week's TV guide and find NO mention of DS9
}>showing on Jan 3rd at 7 PM as stated in the DS9 channel guide...nor
}>does it appear to show at all in that week, perhaps it will be on Jan 10th.
} 
}     No, I don't see it listed in our TV listings here either...
}Looks like the "DS9 channel guide" from Greg Tapolow is in error.

I would assume that WGN's contract with Paramount is limited to local broadcast
*ONLY*, not for cable broadcast. Since STTNG & STDSN are sold to specific
"markets" (viewing areas), it would be unfair to those stations which pay for
the STDSN syndication to lose their audience to a cable channel, especially
if the cable channel pays the same price for the broadcast rights.
I may be wrong, but I have not been relying on WGN as my source for STDSN
from the first mention of it here on the 'net for this very reason. 

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