HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sgb@eng.cam.ac.uk (S.G. Baines)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Re: Reducing vibrations - was Re : British Uni archery
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:38:52 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

forbesmc@matai.vuw.ac.nz (Murray Forbes) writes:
>Adding more stablisers only slightly reduces the bow vibration 
>(it reduces the amount the bow jumps or turns upon release).
>This is were the (badly named) TFC's come in. These
>(Torque Flight Compensator's) are basically shock absorbers
>mounted between your bow and a stabliser and absorb the vibrations
>are they travel from your bow to the stablisers. These must also be
>tuned for the best shock absorption by either making them stiffer
>or looser.
 
Do you know anything specific about the new generation of subby, foam filled long rod stablilsers?

I would be interested in anything you have to say about them. I probably won't change in the near future though because of a fairly recent investment in a set of AGF carbon stabilisers.

I notice my ref at the top of this letter although the subject seems to have changed - a bit like Chinese Whispers! Hopefully more people will join in this new session of technical debate on target archery.

			Cheers
				
			Stuart Baines
			sgb@ukac.cam.eng
From: dean@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Dean Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.archery
Subject: Beman Arrows
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:47:09 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications


  Just thought I would share a very useful fact about Beman Diva all
carbon shafts.

  When they are made a lubricant is used on the inside of the shaft.
  Unfortunately for us they do not clean this lubricant out, so that
when you glue your points in they don't glue to the inside of the
shaft properly. This can lead to unneccesary breakage from the shank
of the point pushing through the side of the shaft.

  But do not fear, there is a simple remedy. Make sure that you clean
the first 3-4" of the inside of the shaft with tissue, preferably with
a solvent as well.

  You can check if your piles are stuck in by dropping them flat from
about 6" on to a hard floor. If they buzz or ring then they are not
stuck in properly, I can be sure that if you haven't cleaned them
then the majority will rattle.

  One final note. Always clean the old glue off the points when you
remove them, the graphite and grease will have contaminated the glue.

  Hope this is useful.

  Dean Holmes. 

_______________________________________________________________________________
                                                       |
   /\                                        /  o      |  "LET IT HAPPEN"  
  /  \       ---=                           (======    |
 /----\                                      \  O      |   Al Henderson
/      \      It`ll get there eventually       / \     |
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: assymetrical drill
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:14:49 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr14.001423.9391@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:
>
>
>	Trivia:  What corps was the first to implement asymmetrical drill
>                 designs into their program?
>
>
>
The legend that got passed down to me was that SCV 1980 was the first
corps to do a largely assymetrical drill show.  That year they did
Procession of the Nobles, Stone Ground Seven, Evita, and Jupiter.
Legend has it they had the judges completely baffled and that was
the reason the ended in 7th place.

BTW, SCV is the only corps to make finals every year.  I posted
earlier that I thought Madison might have also.  They didn't make
DCI finals until 1974 but have been in every year since then.



-- 
MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath1@husc.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!
From: plorch@polyp.micro.umn.edu (Patrick Thomas Lorch)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: TRIVIA
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:24:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr16.152433.6545
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.

In <1992Apr16.084218.7095@cco.caltech.edu> michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang) writes:

>factor.  (Darnit, why was Madison, Wisconsin zotted?)

I heard that the Madison chamber of commerece CANCELLED their bid for DCI
championships (one of those political choices which leaves everybody asking 
WHY?) Of course, this is just a rumour......

I also like to announce myself as a SENIOR CORPS FAN.  I am a member of
Minnesota Brass Inc. even though I am only 19.  I had considered trying out
for the Cavaliers color guard, but financial and time conflicts did not allow it
So, I joined Minn Brass and am loving it!
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: Petition: John Maddon for DCI judge.
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:54:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.121140.2358@ducvax.auburn.edu> jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>In article <1b0G026M10pT01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, nih00@ccc.amdahl.com (Neil Hamilton) writes:
>> In article <14APR199211284480@rigel.tamu.edu> dlg5892@rigel.tamu.edu (GRIMES, DAVID L, III) writes:
>>>
>>>	I would love to see john maddon do a dci competition. Could you
>>>see his little chalk drawings all over the screen? :)
>> 
>> Someone already did this on the finals tv show.  They did the start
>> of the BD show.  It wasn't until I saw the drawings that I noticed 
>> that the show started with a tic-tac-toe design and moved in to a
>> geometric design.
>
>It was two-three years ago, I believe, and the commentator was
>drill designer Michael Cesario.  "Watch as this group moves here,
>this group moves here.   Then solid form, solid form... from linear
>form.  Was it the Cavies' show he was diagraming?
>
> - Jay

I'm pretty sure it was the 1986 Blue Devils show.  I have it on
tape somewhere.  After the drawing on the screen, Steve Rondinero (sp?)
said, "John Madden's got nothing on you."

-- Donald

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bec@wam.umd.edu (MISTRESS OBLIVIOUS)
Subject: Re: DCI sites
Keywords: sites, dates, washington dc metro area
Organization: Olympus Police ESWAT || Central Management Bureau (AEGIS)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:08:16 GMT


	Can anyone tell me of any shows that will be held in the Wash. D.C.
metro area in the near future??  I went to one in Fairfax, VA last summer and I
loved it!  I believe it was part of a camp given at the Univ. of Maryland.
	Kansas City is just a little too far for me to get to!!

Thanx in advance!

Becah Jubon
bec@wam.umd.edu - E ME!!!


Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: truher@s1.gov (Joel Truher)
Subject: Re: education vs winning
Keywords: drum corps and edu.
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Labs, Livermore CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:13:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.175927.5734@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek) writes:

>Drum corps is a great musical, social and personal learning experience.  

Hmmm I mostly agree but the message is skewed to "do what you're
told and you will succeed," don't you think?  It is undeniably
group-success oriented, but at the expense of personal initiative?
(solo competitions aside)

Joel
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Subject: altered CDs - oops
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:46:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University

>that.  Clearly, the performances of 1989 BD, 1987 Troopers, and one
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of the Cadets (can't remember which) are not from finals.  I think that

Oops... I meant to say semis.  Troopers didn't make finals.  But then
one would have expected their semi-finals performance to be on the
record.  In actuality, their quarterfinal performance was on the
record because of a terrible solo gaff.  I'm pretty sure it was 1987,
but it could have been 88.
                                       Scott
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Perspective
From: fath1@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:34:54 EDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard University Science Center
Keywords: corps bands marching

In article <1992Apr10.004107.15884@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dwylie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darryl L Wylie) writes:
>
>Is this group for ex-marchers, or for marching fans in general? I feel that 
>postings could be marked for those who want to kill all band posts, but I
>would hope that it would be because of simple lack of interest in band matters
>rather than any imagined superiority.
>
>Darryl Wylie 
>(Bearhug)
>dwylie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 
There should be no question.  This group is for ALL drumcorps fans regardless
of whether they've marched in corps, band, or anywhere else.  As I 
suggested earlier, I believe any marching arts posts (bands, colorguard)
should be welcome.  I've been keeping tally and this seems to be the
overwhelming consensus.

So please feel free to post.  The goal of this (and any newsgroup) is
open communication and conversation.  We're off to a good start.  Keep it
going.  

-- 
MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath1@husc.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115				**Enjoy life!
From: chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Does anyone remeber.............?
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:05:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr11.180519.28963
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <1992Apr11.133309.1@runt.appstate.edu> grs01146@runt.appstate.edu writes:

>thats why i headed for our buses early while at Rich Stadium :)

Too bad...  I think the people who leave before the end of the finale miss
a lot.  The color and the pagrentry of retreat it worth staying for even if
you don't give a damn about scores (which I think is a GREAT attitude, the
shows are getting to hard to judge and compare with enormous variation
in style and demand)  Also, by leaving, you miss another performance when
the corps does the victory performance!  Whether it is a standstill of
show excerpts or a full blown marching performance, it is a chance to see
a corps do what it does best... perform.

Dave
-- 

Dave Chapek
University of Wisconsin-Madison
College of Engineering
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: **** "Glory" ****
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:13:31 GMT

In article <9APR199215120624@zeus.tamu.edu>, dlg5892@zeus.tamu.edu (GRIMES, DAVID L, III) writes:
> 
> 	Does anyone know if any drumcorp has performed or is planning to 
> perform any music from the soundtrack from "Glory"? IMHO it makes 
> Carmina look like twinkle twinkle little star. 

See Spirit of Atlanta, 1991.  IMHO, they didn't do it justice.  Maybe
its just me; I'm in love with that soundtrack.  For me, they started
off on the wrong foot by rushing the development of the main theme
right off the line.  Where the third note is sustained, they cut the
length in half, which really hurts the mournful quality of the theme.

> 	It would be nice to see some one perform the music from the scene
> where they are charging Fort Wagner, right before everyone gets killed.
> That was an awesome piece.
> D.L.G.III Ex-L.B.J. Jag Drumline

You, as a drummer, however, may be interested to know that they used 
period snares through the 'march' section.  I'm really not sure who 
would do the work best, despite my judgement on Spirit's version.
Then again, I've never really liked Spirit, anyway.

 - Jay G.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: cookm@UCS.ORST.EDU (Marietta Cook)
Subject: Re: Bridgemen 1978?
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 03:24:09 GMT

In article <83502@bu.edu> huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang) writes:
>Wow, a drum corps newsgroup!!! And some Bridgemen related articles!!!
>I was a Bayonne Bridgemen in 1982. We played (1) Theme from "Shaft"
>(2) Sophisticated Ladies (3) Drum Solo (4) On Broadway (5) NewYork,
>New York. If anyone remembers this I will be shocked!!!

  I remember this show, but I didn't see it in DCI that year, we went as
far as DCI Midwest at Whitewater.  It was an good show, I always got a 
kick out of Bridgemen.  One of the few corps that I missed when they
folded.
			-Marietta


-- 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
  Marietta Cook					  email:  cookm@ucs.orst.edu
  IRCnick: Ren
		"Land on your mocassins not your guccis"
From: raj@netcom.com (Roger Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: BugleCam
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:49:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In <1992Apr16.001739.21410@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dwylie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Darryl L Wylie) writes:

>The real answer is to hide a mini-cam inside the bell of a contra to get the 
>view from the field. 

>Darryl Wylie (Bearhug)

Not a bad idea except on three counts: 

  1) which corps wants to give up a contra (TQ&I wise) to a camera

  2) the contras I remember were heavy enough without the extra weight
     of video equipment.

  3) you need a waterproof camera if you're going to place it in a brass
     instrument.....=8^ D
-- 
raj@netcom.com 		
I speak for myself.

COME ONE! COME ALL! COME JOIN ME AT THE CHURCH OF APPLIANTOLOGY!!!
                    -- L. Ron Hoover
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: mikeq@sequent.com (Mike Quillen)
Subject: Re: the past
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:09:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.010047.23699@beaver.cs.washington.edu> dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn) writes:
>In article <3a7a02ftc3XV00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> nih00@uts.amdahl.com (NEIL) writes:
>>In previous article, nielsen@thestick.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>>>
>>The following are some of the local shows this year
>>
>>	May 2		Concord Pavilion  (standstill concert)
>>	June 13		Concord
>>	June 19		Clovis
>>	June 24		Modesto
>>	June 26		Sacramento
>>	June 27		Pacific Procession
>>	July 10		Stockton
>>	July 11		Concord
>>

Does anybody know if anyone is coming to the drumcorps-starved Northwest?
I know that occasionaly the California corps make a trip up here.

Thanks, 
--mikeq
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: raj@netcom.com (Roger Lee)
Subject: Re: Question
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 18:33:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In <1992Apr10.135454.4938@vaxeline.ftp.com> kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis) writes:

>In article <1992Apr10.011956.21316@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jeff Hawkins) writes:
>>Now while Im not an avid watcher of DCI, I watch it whenever I can. Having
>>marched in a rather large marching band the last four years i have this 
>>question (please don't flame me on this one)
>>
>>    Why no 'bones (trombones that is)? Baritones are not the same to me
>>
>>          Just wondering
>>Jeff Hawkins
>>

>I could be wrong, but I beleive it's because (1) Drum corps use bugles which 
>are valved instruments, and (2) 'bones and  bugles are in two different keys...

Well, I can't speak for anybody else, but the San Jose Raiders ('82) marched
a valve trombone bugle. Don't know for sure why it never caught on.

As for it being in a different key, as a French Horn player, I beg to differ!
=8^ D

-- 
raj@netcom.com 		
I speak for myself.

COME ONE! COME ALL! COME JOIN ME AT THE CHURCH OF APPLIANTOLOGY!!!
                    -- L. Ron Hoover
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wang)
Subject: DCI sites
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:56:17 GMT


	Out of curiosity, who around here attends DCI finals regularly?  And
also, of those of you who go, which stadium (and city) is the best in terms
of anything?  Presentation of the show, seating, etc..






Michaelw@coil.caltech.edu

:)
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: best cities for finals
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:53:45 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <15APR199217590859@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov>, gap5444@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg A. Priddy) writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.041139.1178@news2.cis.umn.edu>, plorch@polyp.micro.umn.edu (Patrick Thomas Lorch) writes...
>>As another Minnesotan (and a member of the Minnesota Marching Band) I would
>>like nothing more than th see a DCI World Championship held in the Twin Cities.
>>The place has shown that it is capable of handling big events. But the only
>>problem is the Twin Cities lacks the facilities to host the actual show.  There
>>is no stadium in Minneapolis or St. Paul that is big enough or "proper" to
>>hold a big drum corps show.
>>						Pat Lorch

> Didn't the Vikings play somewhere else before they migrated to the Metrodome?
> Not near the Twin Cities, perhaps?  Maybe not near any large city?

I show the Vikings playing in Metropolitan Stadium in Bloomington MN
(a suburb of Minneapolis) from '61-'81.  The capacity was 48,446; a
little small by current finals standards.  Does anybody know if this
stadium is still standing or if it was torn down?

 - Jay
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Subject: Re: Rule on Age
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:44:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.151110.9624@infonode.ingr.com> windhamj@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Jeff Windham) writes:
>Hello drumcorp fans, family, and friends.  I am so glad that I found this 
>group.  I enjoy DCI competitions thouroughly.  I have marched in high school
>and college, but never in drumcorp.  I started the 90 season with Spirit but 
>unfortunately decided to go to summer school instead of marching and quit.
>It is a decision I have regreted ever since so I am writing to found out the 
>exact rule on age.  I am 21 and was wandering about when you actualy age out.
>Do you have to be 21 at the end of the season or can you turn 22 during the
>season and still be eligible?  Any information on this will be very helpful.
>
>I know I could not get on with a larger corp this late, but if I am eligible 
>I would at least like to try an join the only corp in Alabama, down in 
>Montgomery.

>Thanks in advance for all responses.
>
>Jeff "Boner" Windham
>-- 
>Jeff Windham
>windhamj@iaserv.b1.ingr.com

>>>I beleive you can now march through the season even if you turn 22 half way
through. The rule used to be that you can march up untill age 21 and if you
turn 22 two days before final, you would not be able to march Nats... 

...anyone else?

kel
From: grs01146@runt.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Does anyone remeber.............?
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:33:09 GMT
Organization: Appalachian State University

In article <1992Apr10.132916.4010@vaxeline.ftp.com>, kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis) writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.174451.9457@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chapek@cae.wisc.edu (Dave Chapek) writes:
>>



>>>>>They also marched better in '88. Did anyone see the snare line in '89? 
> After SCV was caught with a couple of over aged member, they left a blank in
> the hornline and snare line. At one point in the show their snare line was 
> bumping into eachother. I could'nt really understand why they did'nt close the
> blank!
> > ...kel
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>     Ke

	IMHTGO .....

	Does anyone actually think that any other corps in 1989 would have been 

able to accomplish the deed that the Santa Clara Vanguard did in winning DCI

finals in Kansas City.  Of course SCV, in all fairness, deserved no penalty

because of the circumstances beyond their control in the two overage members

from Europe.  But would a corps like the Spirit of Atlanta be able to march two

OBVIOUS holes in their program and have as many maneuvering errors (although DCI

judges have abandoned the 'tic' method and now will give credit for a smooth 

recovery) and still expect to break into the Finals scene?  probably not.

	How did SCV achieve the highest recorded score ever and defeat an

astoundingly powerful scrubbing bubbles performance?  From now on i dont care

who the #1 or #23 corps are; im strictly interested in the programs.  I guess

thats why i headed for our buses early while at Rich Stadium :)
From: huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: DCI Champs
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:04:08 GMT
Reply-To: huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang)
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Any correction to the above is more than welcome!!!

Jim Huang, Bayonne Bridgeman 1982
From: kal@vaxeline.ftp.com (Kelleigh A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: bottle dance
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:59:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: vaxeline.1992Apr14.145948.6011
Distribution: na
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA

In article <1992Apr14.053852.64158@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:
>
>> BTW, when was the last time the Bottle Dance was preformed? 78 or 81??
>
>neither: 1982.  Montreal.  They phased it real bad because of the
>acoustics, and I think that's why Gail Royer is hesitant to do that again.
>
>Scott
>

>>If you mean performed by SCV, yes it was '82, but it was also performed by 
the Velvet Knights in '90 or '91! :)

Kel
From: kgb8752@cs.rit.edu (Kevin G Brayton)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Senior (DCA) Corps
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:36:33 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY

In article <1992Apr15.173823.50871@cs.cmu.edu> mlz@mlz.SPEECH.CS.CMU.EDU (Marce Zaragoza) writes:
>Senior corps are not only for those who have aged out, but also for those  
>younger folks who aren't yet ready for junior corps and for those who can't  
>give up their lives for an entire summer to march on the DCI circuit.  (As far 
>as I know, there are no age limits - lower or upper - to march DCA.)  It's also
>great for woodwind players (like myself) who would like to get involved in the 
>activity.  (I started in with the winter program, and by summer was good enough
>on bass drum one year, keyboards another year, and French horn my last two  
>years to make the cut.)  

Last year I marched (actually I was in the pit) with the Rochester Crusaders 
and we had a reasonable share of people who had not "aged out" from junior 
corps.  Out of approx. 80 members, we had probably about 15 who were 21 or
under, myself being one of them.   I had always wanted to march with a corps,
but the junior corps would have taken up too much of my time.  It was great
fun, and I hope that I'll have a chance to do it again in the future.

>As Dave Chapek correctly mentioned, DCA is Drum Corps Associates.  The activity
>is mostly concentrated in the northeast, but it has been creeping westward (Hi,
>Minnesota Brass, from an early fan!).  Some of the senior corps you may have  
>heard of, besides Erie, SCA, and Minnesota, are the New York Skyliners  
>(Manhattan), the Long Island Sunrisers, the Hawthorne (NJ) Caballeros, the  
>Connecticut Hurricanes, the Westshoremen (Harrisburg, PA), the Yankee Rebels  
>(Baltimore, I think?), the Reading (PA) Buccaneeers, the Rochester Crusaders,  
>and the Empire Statesmen (Rochester, NY).  Gee, did I forget anyone?

I heard that there's one that's formed in Syracuse, NY this year.  I forgot
what they're calling themselves, though.


Well, that's my 2-cents worth.  I just hope this gets off-site. :-)


--
========================The Valeyard at RIT================================
"I'm sorry to report that Mr. Wilson |BITNET:   KGB8752@RITVAX
and Mr. Bates have just become the   |InterNet: kgb8752@ultb.isc.rit.edu
intruder's LUNCH."  - Slipback       |          ai984@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps