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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 02:04:21 GMT


In articles posted, I'm not sure who writes: 
>>>Time travel?  Impossible?
>>>I have just this to say:  Bumblebees!
>>>Terran insects, scientifically proven to be incapable of flight.
>>>They manage it though - I've always been rather fond of bumblebees.
>
>All right, if you don't like that metaphor, Time travel is as impossible
>as a science-fiction show about a weird guy who lives in a police box
>actually remaining on the air for twenty-six years and garnering fans
>from around the world. It'll never happen. --any BBC executive circa 
>1962.
>
>John A. Nickles (author of CROSSOVER)
>Standard Disclaimer: Steve Beering (our Prez)has never even SEEN Dr. Who

When Star Trek was first in production and then cancelled
three short years later, I forget who it was, but it began
the 25th anniversary book quoted:
	"The reason the show was cancelled was because
Star Trek just doesn't have any lasting appeal."
It's amazing how wrong people can be.

By the way, what is "Crossover"?  I don't think I've read
that book.

Marc Wasserman
mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu


-- 
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				30 Years
"Why not?  After all, that's how it all started!"
From: otten@QUARK.UMD.EDU (Neil Ottenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Ambassadors of Death actor
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:12:42 GMT

I just finished watching the third Doctor story, the Ambassadors of
Death.  I was wondering if people could place one of the actors.  He
played the character Reegan and his name was William Dysart.  He looked
relatively familiar, but I couldn't place where I had seen him.  So,
what is he more well known for?

Thanks,

Neil Ottenstein
otten@quark.umd.edu
From: nkp@ausom.oz.au (Nicholas Pyers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Thank you for responses
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:18:33 GMT
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I recently posted a message asking about the amount of traffic in this
group.  I have recieved about a dozen replies saying that the traffic rate
is still quite high, so the SysAdmin with our feeder and discovered that all
the rec.* group, expect rec.funny were taken off our feed list.

rec.arts.drwho will be added back in the next day or so!!!!

Thanks to all who responed, I look forward to reading articles here again.


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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Syl and Sophie
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:55:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul31.085742.22089@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>Even if Ace does return, I won't be disappointed if she makes a quick exit.
>I think it was Steven who was told by the Doctor not to call him "Doc" and
>he did so. The Doctor has told Ace not to call him "Professor" but she doesn't
>listen. I would get a little irritated if someone called me Joe consistently.

Actually, "Professor" is one of the subtler bits of characterization in
the McCoy era.  Notice when Ace calls him professor in the later episodes --
it's her way of deflating him when he gets too pompous or pretentious.
Whenever something important happens, she always calls him "Doctor".

>The writers don't make a deal out of it any longer. Ace's dippy phrases such
>as "brill" are just her version of annoying screaming that the other female
>companions did.

Have you seen any of Ace after Dragonfire?  She's hardly used any of her
slang, which has decreased it from the level of definite annoyance in her
first story to just a minor character trait.  And it's certainly less
insulting to her intelligence and ability to cope with the world than a
habit of standing stock-still and screaming.

>>So, the conclusion I can draw is, the McCoy haters aren't in the majority...
>>they're just loud enough to make us think they are.  The truth of the
>>matter is that Sylv has consistently placed second - or first - in DWM's
>>favorite-Doctor surveys.

>Well, I'm not to concerned with who wins the popularity contest, but I would
>have to wonder about the people surveyed. I'm probably wrong, but I don't
>think the Brits get Who repeated so often like we Yanks do. "Who" are they
>going to remember most? Who they saw last.

"Who they saw last" at the moment is Jon Pertwee, thanks to the repeat
seasons that ran in the spring.  Also, a bunch of stories are publicly
available on video release, and the fans who were surveyed are the types
of fans who have off-air copies of a wide assortment of episodes.  I
doubt that you can use the "the memory cheats" line for this audience...
otherwise you'd have to explain why McCoy's consistent rival for first
place is Tom Baker, who last appeared as the Doctor in Britain ten years
ago.

 As for many people who speak out
>on the net, a lot don't see pre-Pertwee stories.

I doubt whether you can really accuse this crowd of ignorance of the early
stories.  Most of the people whose names I see regularly are from markets
that have aired the Hartnells and Troughtons.  Whether these people actually
stayed awake for them, though, is another matter.  :-)

Jon.
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Saturday, 25 Jul 1992 06:07:50 EDT
From: <34ZBTXQ@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: TIME LORD Game

 I'd be interested in knowing what some of you Whovians who are also gamers
think of the NEW Doctor Who RPG, TIME LORD. It's put out by the same folks
who do the Who paperbacks. Aside from the lack of a character creation system,
and no experience point system, it seems like a fun game! I'd especially be
interested in your opinion of it's accuracy to the series as compared to the
FASA game, and it's suitability as a vehicle for creating adventures in the
style of the series.
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From: istn100@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: Lionheart & renewing Dr. Who
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:23:42 -0500

In article <2409@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>, drwho@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Taeri Bellasar) writes:
> 
> I just met with the Program Director at Channel 20 here in Indy and here is
> what he told me:
> 
> Lionheart has only sold the rights to the Sci-Fi Channel for the Hartnell &
> Troughton stories IN EPISODE FORMAT.  Hartnells & Troughtons are still
> available in movie format.  Channel 20 is working on renegotiating their
> contract with Lionheart.  When we see what kind of response we get from
> "Tomb Of The Cybermen" on August 30th, we'll know where we stand.
> 
> The PD also said he was interested in other, related programming, such as
> Blake's 7.  We are encouraging him to look into these other shows.  I am glad
> to say that Channel 20 really seems to appreciate us.  
> 
> Remember to pledge!

So this means that Hartnell and Troughten can only be shown in episode format
on the Scifi Channel, right?  Okay, so are we in Indy going to actually be
able to GET the SciFi channel????
Personally, I much prefer the episode format to the movie format - but then
I got to see several seasons of Dr Who in England when they were first 
broadcast - do you have any idea what it's like to see the Dalek floating
up the stairs in "Remembrance of the Daleks" and know you'll have to wait
an ENTIRE WEEK to find out what happens next?  There is so much more impact
there, you sort of walk away from teh TV going "Wow!"  Even if the next
episode is shown right away, you've still got that cliffhanger shocker.

Oh dear.  I just realized I've probably started up that old episode/movie
format debate, which wasn't my intention at all!  I just want the SciFi
channel here in Indy, on my TV screen.  Not tomention more Dr. Who and
Blakes 7 and Star Cops and Sapphire and Steel and so on to be shown on
Channel 20!

Ellen - the Cat Who Walks Alone
ISTN100@indyvax.iupui.edu


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From: BOYD <BOYD@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Doctors Memory from the 2 Doctors
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:52:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.231601.4877@mercury.cair.du.edu> mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN) writes:

>Second, a LOT of time passes between the second Doctor and Jamie
>to the point where the fifth Doctor meets Peri (in Planet of Fire,
>I believe).  So there may not have been much recognition anymore.
>Third, you may be right about both the War Games, Spectrox, and
>possibly, regenerations might have had an effect (the fifth
>Doctor was awfully dazed at first).

Spectrox? Was the 5th Doc affected by Spectrox toxemia before the
story   in which he regenerated to 6th Doc ("The Caves of Androzani")?
If not, how could our first meeting with Peri (his second) have been
affected by that incident, since it happened some time after they met?

>Course, the sixth Doctor recognized Jamie easily enough, so that's
>not too great an expplination, I guess.  The rest still applies.

Seems OK to me -- 2nd Doc had only met Peri briefly, but, he had known
Jamie for some considerable and continuous time.

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From: aa201@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doc White)
Subject: Re: Doctor Who Appreciation Society & Dr. Who Fan Club of America
Reply-To: aa201@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doc White)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:49:50 GMT


In a previous article, ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing) says:

>the reason the DWFCA went dormant  had nothing to do with managment problems
>it was a sinple case of Lionheart wanting to take control of USfandom by
>starting their own club and withdrawing their support of the DWFCA by not
>granting them rights to show videos any more. this meant no more Timefests
>and the DWFCA losing their best source of income and publicity and it came
>down to ron either getting a new job and feeding his family or compromising
>his principles and acceeding to Lionheart's demands. ron chose concentrating
>of his typsetting business and the DWFCA fell to the wayside like lionheart
>wanted. it's now in somebody else's hands and from the sample "please rejoin"
>issue they sent me when they restarted things look good and i encourage people
>that used to belong to give them a try again. i do believe i'm sounding
>preachy, ah well, i have nothing but contempt for lionheart cus they're scum
>and the people with the DWFCA have always been really cool to me and they
>do their best to keep their promises, unlike the lionheart weasels. 
>

I am happy you have not had to DIG INTO YOUR OWN Pocket to pay expenses
that RON KATZ (former head of DWFCA) "forgot" to pay.  I am also glad
you did not pay for merchandise from DWFCA that is now almost 5 years
waiting to be received.  All I can say for FODW (the Lionheart backed
group) is that when they came to Cleveland and put on a convention and
it was close to going into the red, they (FODW) still paid all the bills
themselves, did not up the price of merchandise, or pulled some of the
other stunts that DWFCA did the last time they put on a convention here.

FODW have been more than fair in the selling of merchandise, and have
not been a pain, when broken or mis-sized merchandise needed to be returned.

Now, after paying for a 3 year extension of my DWFCA membership, I only
got 1 issue of the newsletter, and NONE of the "new" issues put out in
1991... so much for the NON-WEASEL DWFCA!

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From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sylv and Sophie
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:18:11 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Jul29.174624.28691@umbc3.umbc.edu>, hannon@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Scott Hannon; PHYS (GRAD)) writes:
 
> Re: McCoy, I fall into the "take him or leave him" category. I think my
> opinions about McCoy have been heavily influenced by what I consider to
> be mostly poor or unenjoyable stories under his Doctor (tho' the last
> season was a significat improvement). That, plus his inappropriate
> response to Ace's hobby.
> 
> But Ace...yech! Hate is too strong a word (its just tv show), but I think
> she is bad for Dr Who on a number of levels. The main problem I have with
> her (by far) is her hobby, making bombs. I'm amazed that a TV program for
> children (Dr Who is seen as this by some) can pass off a person like
> Ace as a positive role model. 

While I agree with Scott in his repugnance for Ace's hobby, I must remark
that DW was, in its last few seasons, most assuredly *not* written as
a children's show, despite what the higher-ups at the BBC think.  I believe
that Ace was JNT's sincere attempt to include an adolescent character who
is neither a futuristic genius (Nyssa, Zoe, Adric) or a total idiot (Adric,
Peri).  Ace is a real kid with some *very* serious emotional problems, and
a big part of the show in its last seasons (Survival, Ghostlight, Curse of
Fenric) concern's the Doctor's helping her grow up and come to terms with
herself and her past.  As she does this, the Nitro-9 use gradually 
disappears.
-- 

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               Certified Math Geek and Grammarian
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From: tagg@hg.uleth.ca (Nathaniel Tagg)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Reply-To: tagg@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:58:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.193537.26952@wam.umd.edu>, mrmuon@next15epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>In article <18644@drutx.ATT.COM> bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham) writes:
>> 
>> Let's not forget, the earth is flat
>> It's at the center of the universe.
>> The sun revolves around the earth.
>> 
>> Science is never wrong, is it?
>
>I hope your not suggesting that any of those notions were due to science.
>They aren't.

    Well, actually, a case could be made for the idea that at least one was
scientifically defended.  The sun-around-the-earth model was at one point
revised and defended mathematically:  remember that system whereby everything
was in circular orbits around the earth, but the planets were also in secondary
circular orbits within the first?  i.e. the center of the secondary orbit was
in orbit around the earth.  The planets then were able to move backwards at
times to come into line with observation. (Whose view was this? I forget.)
    This mathematically-based modelling is essentially what modern science
(like quantum mechanics) is.   This model was actually OK for a first
approximation.  No, it did not hold up under closer scrutiny but that doesn't
mean it wasn't science.
     The point is, science can be wrong.  Science is not a series of facts, but
a method of accumulating knowledge in order to come closer to truth.  It is not
truth itself.  Thus what the scientific community thinks is plausible or
implausible can be wrong, as there may have been insufficient time and data to
reveal the truth of the matter.  This does not mean that we should discount
these opinions, but that we should just be wary that it is not the word of God.


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From: BOYD <BOYD@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Tomb of the Cybermen in Detroit on WTVS 56
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:05:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.142645.13420@cs.wayne.edu> mark@opus.pass.wayne.edu (Mark Murphy) writes:
>
>After hearing alot of talk about other public station in the US that will be
>showing "Tomb of the Cybermen", I thought I would call WTVS Ch56 and see if
>they are planning on showing it also. The answer is YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! The
>programming department said they have it in and will be showing it during the
>pledge drive in August, specifically Aug 28. I'm sure this will make alot of
>you happy since WTVS is piped by satelite across most of Canada.

Thanks for the info, Mark.  I'll have my VCR primed.  You are correct:
the news makes me very very happy.  WTVS is the ONLY station in my area
which currently shows any Doctor Who (so what if it's movie format, it's
better than nothing)! ~~~
From: jmacd@intacc.uucp (Jason MacDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: CHRONICLES OF A TIME LORD Fanzine
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:26:04 GMT
Expires: 31 Aug 92
Reply-To: jmacd@intacc.UUCP (Jason MacDermott)
Organization: Matrix Artists' Network



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From: jimkelle@girtab.usc.edu (Jim Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sylv and Sophie
Date: 29 Jul 1992 13:07:57 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

>But Ace...yech! Hate is too strong a word (its just tv show), but I think
>she is bad for Dr Who on a number of levels. The main problem I have with
>her (by far) is her hobby, making bombs. I'm amazed that a TV program for
>children (Dr Who is seen as this by some) can pass off a person like
>Ace as a positive role model.

But don't you recall?  Towards the end there they had her "lose" her backpack,
homemade bombs and all.  I think they were making a sincere effort to tone
her down.

I LIKE ACE!!!

--Jim!



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From: trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:36:20 GMT


Parallel time-line? I didn't think it was possible, but you've been watching
too MUCH Dr. Who. I am hearby reading these last few and putting this thread
AND the Christainity thread in my kill file. I don't have time to respond to
everything, and I want reading news to be enjoyable, not a drudgeary. I am NOT
giving up. I still hold firm to my beliefs, but I'm tired of these threads.

Frank Trumpy
trump@iastate.edu
From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: one other thing
Date: 24 Jul 92 05:01:34 EST
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

One other thing that happened to Sophie during the Battlefield taping:

 The scene where Ace uses nytro-9 to open up an access route to the
spaceship caused Sophie a fright.
 Appearantly, Sophie didn't start 'clearing away' as soon as the other
actors when the blast was about to go off. If you scan the tape, you'll
see her lag behind, realise she was 'mistiming' and express abit of real
panic on her face.
 She didn't quite make it to cover, but walked away relatively unharmed.

 Does everyone involved in the shoot get danger pay while doing DW?

Regards,
Dale Clayton
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: DW in Orlando
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:26:13 GMT

ak515@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Polak) wrote:
>I will be in Orlando in 2 weeks and want to know if Doctor Who is
>being shown their. If yes, what time and channel. I don't think I
>can survive a week without the Doctor.

There are two PBSs in the Orlando area. Channel 24 shows Dr. Who on Saturdays
at 4pm. Channel 15 doesn't show it at all (I don't get it, but I never see
the show in the guide). Check you TV listing for actual TV channel once you
are here. I don't know what will be shown in two weeks, but send e-mail before
you leave and I might. They will be showing Tomb in August but I don't know
when (I hope it's before everyone else who bragged about it on the net). Looks
like any PBS can show Tomb if they bother buying it from Lionheart. I imagine
every station is showing it at the earliest possible date and they are all
doing a pledge drive. We will have to wait and see if Lionheart butchered it
into movie format only to have PBS butcher it to fit in the pledge breaks.

Tom

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From: GRS00169@APPSTATE.EDU (GRS9999101)
Subject: title sequences
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:07:04 GMT
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I have always been fascinated with the opening credits sequences found in 
DOCTOR WHO.   In the first few seasons, the "time wave" FX were created
by filming a studio camera's own monitor.  When mirrored, spun, or otherwise
manipulated the end effect was achieved.  I personally have re-created this
special effect with some of my own equipment and am interested in developing
some of the other sequences produced for the program.  Could someone tell me
ways in which the "tunnel" and "starfield" images wer designed and how i could
create them?

ptSLOAN-*?&!
StarQuest Intl.
Appalachian State U.
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