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From: ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: Good English Ales
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:45:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.181004.4200@muppet.bt.co.uk> cnc@sweep.bt.co.uk writes:
>
>As for Double Diamond, well in the 1970's a group call CAMRA was formed in this
>country - The Campaign for Real Ale, and one of the beers that they (and I) took
>great dislike to was DD, it tastes of very litte, is very week has C02 pumped
>into it and is generally quite revolting. The method for making this unspeakable
>brew is, well, unspeakable. It's lack of taste does have distinct similarities to
>Budweiser (American, not Budvar) !!
>
>Any reccomendations for good American beer available in England - I live in
>London so there must be somthing somewhere - go on, persuade me that there is
>such a thing as good American Beer ;-)

Steve Dynecourt of Chicago Brewing Co. told me that they exported to the UK and
Germany, but I haven't a clue where you would find their products.  Good
American beers tend to be low volume microbrewery produced products and tend
not to be exported, although Sam Adams may be.  

I find most British beers to be piss water, and had the 'pleasure' of drinking
DD on draught last week in Canada.  They also had the piss Yorkshire Bitter, 
which tastes as bad in London, Ontario, as London, England.  British lager 
makes some of the normal American beers look good.

However, there are some good British beers that are imported into the US
such as Theakstons, Bass, etc., but there is also Watney's Red Barrell...


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From: olson@husc9.Harvard.EDU (Charles Olson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: EVILS
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:07:38 GMT
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.

In article <19961.2b0adcab@ul.ie>, 8905991@ul.ie writes:
|> Beer drinkers must repent.  Alcohol drunk for pleasure is sinfull.  
|> Not only does it give man the mind of a cock, but it makes him
|> impotent-both spiritually and physically.

Some of us like it that way. %*)

-- 
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
"These are the days you might fill with laughter until you break. These days
you might feel a shaft of light make its way across your face... And when you 
do you'll know how it was meant to be..." -10,000 Maniacs, "These Are Days"
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From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Subject: American Beers in England (was Re: Good English Ales)
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:04:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.181004.4200@muppet.bt.co.uk>
 cnc@sweep.bt.co.uk (Colin Crist) writes:

>Any reccomendations for good American beer available in England - I live in
>London so there must be somthing somewhere - go on, persuade me that there is
>such a thing as good American Beer ;-)

I think you can find some of the Anchor beers, such as Anchor Steam, in 
England.  Good beer, IMHO.

Still, I went to a beer festival, the 100 Coastal Ales of Britain, in Essex, 
last Wednesday--beer heaven.

John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
Fidonet:  1:109/131  Internet:  jdecarlo@mitre.org
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From: imes@parrot.cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey imes)
Subject: Anchor Steam
Summary: first time tried
Keywords: Anchor Steam, first-timer
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:16:20 GMT

Just went out tonight and had my first Anchor Steam.  Must say that I was
pleasantly surprised.  I had no previous knowledge of this beer, and did not
know what to expect.

It tastes like an ale but it's not quite bitter enough.  Is it some sort of 
cross between an ale and a lager?  Nice head and all, good hoppy flavor.
Not too heavy in the stomach, but heavy on the wallet.  $7.50 for a 6-pack.

Oh well, it's worth it.  

One last question.  What temperature should I keep this at?  If it's an ale,
I'd be inclined to turn down the temperature in my fridge, but otherwise, the
colder the better!

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From: rwieler@ee.umanitoba.ca (wieler)
Subject: Re: Good English Ales
Reply-To: rwieler@ee.umanitoba.ca
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:22:52 GMT

Although I'm not sure of their origin the following beer rank up there at my favorite
English style pub:
	Smithwicks
	John Smiths Bitter
	Courage Ale (the best beer IMHO)

Cheers
rich
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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: cider
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:37:05 GMT


I don't like beer, but it's the nearest thing to cider.  Is there a
newsgroup for cider?  Please reply privately.
-- 
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From: jdisegi@bu.edu (Jonathan Disegi)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Belgian Beers $$$
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:27:41 GMT
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I'm just a bit curious.  While they are WELL WORTH the price, why are Belgian
Lambics so expensive in the United States?  I never pay below $5.50 for a 
single in Boston.  When I was in Belgium, I didn't find them particulary
expensive.  So, why are they so expensive?  


Jonathan Disegi
@
Boston University [jdisegi@bu.acs.edu]
From: brown@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Newcastle's
Date: 16 Nov 1992 02:26:03 GMT
Organization: Subversive Student Publications un-inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: odin.ins.cwru.edu

In an earlier posting brown@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Dan Brown) writes:
>In an earlier posting cm199@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas G. Moore) writes:
>>
>>Dan, Where did you get Thomas Hardy at? I have been looking for
>>this for some time. I live in the Cleveland Ohio area and have
>>had no luck finding it at the best stores.
>
>I got it at a store called "The Bunnpenny" which is a (I think) chain of 
>deli/wine/coffee/beer stores around the Baltimore MD. Area.
>
>Ohio has a few stupid laws that basically say that strong stuff like 
>Thomas Hardy's isn't legal to be sold in Ohio. 
>
>I am going to be headed to Baltimore over Xmas... guess where I am going to
>be headed!

Well... my grammar skills seem to have left me. If anyone sees them, please
mail them back.


I think that the Bunnpenny is a chain. I know it is in Baltimore Md. 
The do have an ok selection of beers (and wines and other trivial things like
that). I will be visiting there when I go to Baltimore over Christmas break.
Depending on time and money constraints, I may mule a bit of beer back to
this wasteland known as Ohio... 

Any local (to Baltimore) folks have suggestions on what to look for? 
Comments from the midwest (x1rbrown) ? 
Any requests from fellow Ohio people?

later.
Dan
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From: bickham@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Scott Bickham,C17 Clark Hall,56079,2737038)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Cask Ale; Thomas Hardy
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:28:25 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Originator: bickham@msc2.msc.cornell.edu

From article <1992Nov17.201506.7336@viewlogic.com>, by robl@macro.viewlogic.com (Rob Limbert):
> 
> In article <1ebeagINNd2j@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) writes:
> |> ...Calling it [Thomas Hardy's] a barley wine, therefore, is hardly
> |> innaccurate.  (On the other hand, calling Sam Adams Lager a Pilsner
> |> would be).
> 
>    Out of curiosity, why (unless you're using the purist definition whereby
> a Pilsner must come from Pilsen) would calling Sam Adams Lager a Pilsner
> be inaccurate?

It is inaccurate because a pilsener is a type of lager, but not vice-versa.
Other types of lagers include Dortmunder Export, Oktoberfest, Munich
Dunkel, and Bock beers to name a few.  A Pilsener usually denotes a lager
in either of the Bohemian and Bavarian styles, and for what it's worth, 
Budmilloors are American Standard Lagers.  I would probably call Sam Adams
lager an "American Amber Lager", although that is not usually one of
the choices.

Just when you thought ordering beer was simple ;-)
						Scott
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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: EVILS
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:19:45 GMT

In article 21852@nighthawk.clearpoint.com, marc@venus.clearpoint.com (Marc Washburn) writes:
> In article <19961.2b0adcab@ul.ie> 8905991@ul.ie writes:
> >Beer drinkers must repent.  Alcohol drunk for pleasure is sinfull.  
> >Not only does it give man the mind of a cock, but it makes him
> >impotent-both spiritually and physically.
> >
> >		This is from Jason.
> 
> Hmm, I'm just going to have to tell the local Priest to quit drinking wine during church services...............NOT!!!
> 
> That brings up another question, did Jesus (according to the Bible a real lush), prefer wine or beer?
> 
> Marc Washburn
> Marc@clearpoint.com
> The opinions expressed here are not opinions, but just silly statements which my employer would probably not agree with. But then who really knows...


the answer is wine. remember the story of the loafs of bread and fish. well what goes with fish except wine 

---
Steve C. 

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                             - Just fools who think they are.
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From: brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Newcastle's
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:00:07 GMT
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

Newcastle is good, but not that good, IMHO.  And by me, it's rather expensive.

British beer can be good, can be awful.  I haven't had too many Belgian beer,
I'm getting over that, slowly.  Although I have found a few I don't like. 
Also, I have tried many Danish beer
but the ones I have tried, I didn't care for.

"Most American beers are pisswater." 

I don't think I agree.  Most American beers your see advertized on television,
especially nationally, is pisswater.  But with the explosion of microbreweries
and brewpubs, that's changing.

Have I tried:

1) No.
2) Not, yet.  I have seen it about so maybe I'll try it next.  Although I'd
kind of like try Thomas Hardy Ale, first.
3) Yes.  It's nice.  My favorites, though, are Sierra Nevada and Edmund
Fitzgerald from Great Lakes Brewing in Cleveland.  Edmund Fitzgerald might be a
stout, though, I can't quite remember.
4) No, I can't find it here.
5) I didn't like it.
6) No.
7) Yes, but I wasn't too impressed.
8) Ah, the true beauty of Belgian beer for me.  I've tried quite a few.  I
prefer the Kriek from Lindemanns.  Timmermans is okay, but I like the heavy
fruitiness that Lindemanns has.  The framboise is nice, too, but the kriek is
especially pleasant.  Still, I'm sure there's much I've missed; I guess I'll
just have to keep experimenting.  ;-)
From: v088ptfu@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Bud
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:11:00 GMT
Organization: Leavenworth Federal Penetentiary
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>hg2001@mailserver.bgsu.edu (Heather) writes:

>Doesn't anyone like Bud anymore??  My personal fave is Bud Dry. 
>Heather

Well, I see we started the Bud flame again.  Well anyway, I used to swear
by Budweiser (having gone through high school drinking that and Coors).
However, after drinking my first Guiness on tap, Im a changed man.  Now
I know that there are brews out there with flavor.  I still drink those
below par brews (ie Coors, Bud, even the Beast.... yeech!) only when Im
broke and already inebriated.  However, when I have the cash, I prefer a
nice stout or at least a something with substance.  You got my $0.02 worth

Jason
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From: jbunn@seanews.akita.com (John E Bunn)
Subject: Re: clausthaler
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:00:06 GMT

yngveb@fdh.hsf.no (Yngve Bjoroey) writes:

> 
> I'd like to hear your opinion about Clausthaler
> 
> Larry

Thats the N/A stuff right?  I keep trying to se if I can find one but 
they all have the same "boiled in a bucket" taste to me.  Clas and the NA 
by Guiness were two of the best I guess.

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From: bickham@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Scott Bickham,C17 Clark Hall,56079,2737038)
Subject: Re: Cask Ale; Thomas Hardy
Originator: bickham@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:28:10 GMT

From article <1992Nov17.090107.8786@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>, by M.Enderby@daresbury.ac.uk:
> As far as I know (by reading Michael Jackson's column in CAMRA's
> What's Brewing), cask beer is available in the US. Apparently many
> pub-breweries serve their ale without extraeneous gas as per 
> the "real ale" definition. Sorry, I don't have the names of any to
> hand at the moment.
> Cheers,

This is true - I had some cask conditioned beer two weeks ago when
I was in Seattle.  I don't remember the name of the pub, but it was
near the university and had both a porter and am ale in casks.  I
have also been to a bar in Rochester, NY that had both Geary's porter and
pale ale in casks.  They were the real thing, with dry hopping and
hand-pulled taps, and I'm sure there are more examples in the U.S.

Scott
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From: arneberg@lioth.cs.adfa.oz.au (Bjorn Arne Berge)
Subject: Re: Norwegian BEER
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:37:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.110428.19468@news.uit.no>, jornaa@fdh.hsf.no (Joern Aasland) writes:
|> Hello!
|> 
|> I am a Norwegian, who wants to know if there are anybody around the world that has tasted 
|> the Norwegian beer "Mack". Mack's brewery is the mostnorth in the world.
|> It's also told that it was the first beer on the Northpole. Coments???

Mack beer is an ordinary beer in my opinion. Mack Artic is abit better, but the
best Mack beer is the "juleoel" (Christmas Beer) - you don't know what you lose
if you haven't tried it...:-) (...and impossible to get hold of in Australia...:-(

|> 
|> My Norwegian favorite is "RIGNES", Its from OSLO, near my home town.

Ringnes is a good beer, but not the best Norwegian beer... The best Norwegian
beer is the "Lysholmer Special" from Trondheim. :-)

|> My all world favorite is the Spanish, "San Miguel", its just perfect.

I agree that "San Miguel" is a good beer, but Lysholmer is still better. Down
here in Australia the "Tooheys Red" (naturally brewed) and "Victoria Bitter"
are amongst the best ones.

|> 
|> SKAAL -> Norwegian cheers.

...ogsaa svinger vi paa seidelen igjen - hei SKAAL.

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From: jjimenez@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joel A Jimenez)
Subject: Re: Attention Mechanical Engineers who like beer
Summary: Revised for alt.beer
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:32:31 GMT


  Please help out a guy with a paper due Tuesday.
(Natural light sucks)

For a University College assignment I am required to interview someone in my
intended major area: electical or mechanical engineering.
I kind of procrastinated in finding someone to interview, so, I'm turning to
the usenet.  If anyone could help me out by answering the following questions
and e-mailing them to me as soon as possible, I'd be very happy.  The only
requirements are that you are currently employed, but not employed by Ohio
State University.

1) Who do you work for?

2) What is your title?

3) What is your name, address, daytime phone #?

4) What degree(s) do you hold? From where?

5) What does your job involve?

6) What have been the high/low points in your career?

7) Compare college life and career life.

8) Why did you decide to be an engineer?

9) Where (geographically) are most engineering jobs?

10) Is your employer a small or large business?

11) Did you participate in a co-op program? Helpful?

12) Did you later need more education?

13) Were most/all of your college courses relevant?

14) What changes have you noticed in engineering since you started?

15) How many times have you changed jobs and why?

16) Anything else you'd like to add?

17) What is your favorite beer?


      Thanks in advance.

                 - Joel A. Jimenez

jjimenez@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: jbunn@seanews.akita.com (John E Bunn)
Subject: Re: Sam Adams suing someone?
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:40:21 GMT

>    It's clear to me from his actions that Koch has a problem with
> any competition at all.  Even if there *were* some merit to his

Sorry, but he has to do this.  If he does not protect his brand name at 
this time, at some later time the fact that the brand name was not 
disputed will be taken as license to infringe upon it....  
 
...  says it's the best in America, and it's probably true...

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From: goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart E. Goddard)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: EVILS
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:58:10 GMT
Reply-To: goddard@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bart E. Goddard)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
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In article <19961.2b0adcab@ul.ie> 8905991@ul.ie writes:
> Beer drinkers must repent.  Alcohol drunk for pleasure is sinfull.  
> Not only does it give man the mind of a cock, but it makes him
> impotent-both spiritually and physically.
> 
> 		This is from Jason.

I must paraphrase Martin Luther:  When doctrine contrary to Scripture
is taught among men, it is the Christian's DUTY to take extra pains
in publicly denouncing and disobeying the false doctrine.  So if you're
all watching, I will now guzzle.

Bart
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From: danco@titan.ucc.umass.edu (DANIEL F COHEN)
Subject: Sam Adams suing someone?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:53:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.175723.18730@news.nd.edu> ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>  I have not had Sam Adams Lager recently, but others say it is like some 
>Pilseners (nor will I buy it after hearing that they are sueing a Boston 
>Micro for using the cities name.  I mean, it is despicable that a brewery 
>that brews in Pittsburgh is sueing a brewery that brews in Boston for using 
>thei city's name).

Can we try that one again?  Sam Adams does indeed have a brewery in Boston
(tour cheap and highly recommended).  I haven't heard about any lawsuit, but 
how does SA think it has any sort of claim on the name 'Boston'?

--Dan//confused
 
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From: mdick@acns.nwu.edu (Matthew S. Dick)
Subject: Beer and Chocolate
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:17:08 GMT

Here's a suggetsion I haven't posted for a little while.

On a warm sunny day go to your favorite picnic spot and bring along some Bass  
Ale and a Dove dark chocolate bar.  Take one square of Dove and chew it until  
it becomes creamy, then fill your mouth with the ale.  This is a wonderful  
combination.  I have started a semi-cult trend among two or three diifferent  
groups.  Substituting different beers is always a good idea, but Dove is the  
very best chocolate.

Happy eating (and drinking).

matt dick
msd@cutie.acns.nwu.edu
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Cask Ale; Thomas Hardy
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:40:16 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
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In article <1992Nov17.155315.14267@news.nd.edu> ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>Thomas Hardy is considered an Old Ale, but is stronger than barley wines.

   Always one to quibble, I'd have to object to your objection.
Jackson says the term "Old Ale" (in Britain) refers chiefly to a
medium-strong dark ale like Old Peculiar, which has just under
6% alcohol (by volume).  He also alludes to the looseness of the
term "Old Ale."   He defines a barley wine as an extra-strong ale
with more than 6% alcohol, classically closer to 11%, and being
either light or dark.  In his description of Thomas Hardy's Ale,
he just calls it a dark ale, and pegs the alcohol content at
12.48 % by volume.  Calling it a barley wine, therefore, is hardly
innaccurate.  (On the other hand, calling Sam Adams Lager a Pilsner
would be).
   To paraphrase Shakespeare, though, whatever you call it, it's
still a fine brew.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
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From: jbunn@seanews.akita.com (John E Bunn)
Subject: Re: Cask Ale; Thomas Hardy
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 10:52:37 GMT

mwpeters@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Peterson) writes:

> 
> Wondering if there is any other beers out there like Thomas Hardy?

Well...  using like loosley, I like Bridgeports "Old Nucklehead" barley 
wine, from Bridgeport in Portland.

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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: EVILS
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:46:11 GMT

the problem with your statement is that in most parts of the world the water is undrinkable and thus the drinking of alcoholic beverages was the norm. 
even christ drank wine with meals. wine,beer .. etc were drunk with meals for many reasons. but the best reason is cause it tastes good.

---
Steve C. 

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