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From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:58:53 GMT

This is in reply to heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath), who wrote:
:
:There is a certain amount of propoganda inherent in ever
:autobiography, and in most biographies. This will likely be true for
:Lee's movie as well.  Only when a man is safely dead can we idolize
:him, edit his life to fit our romantic images of him and what he
:represents, and forget those parts we find either inconvenient or
:distasteful. Once he is safely dead we can make him into what we
:dreamed he ought to have been, and we can invest our hopes in the
:image we have made.  We did it with Martin, so why not Malcolm?
:
:
Well, you remember those lines from Henry Louis Gates' review of
James Baldwin I posted a few months back (and we all know about
Baldwin, wink wink nudge nudge):

	But perhaps times are due to change again.  An influential
	black intellectual avant-garde in Britain has resurrected
	Baldwin as a patron saint, and a new generation of readers
	has come to value just those qualities of ambivalence and
	equivocality, just that sense of the contingency of identity,
	that made him useless to the ideologues of liberation and
	anathema to so many black nationalists.  Even Baldwin's
	fiercest antagonists seem now to have welcomed him back into
	the fold.  Like everyone else, I guess, we like our heroes
	dead.


-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
From: mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: News re Lee's 'Malcolm X'
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:27:38 GMT
Organization: Univ of Penn - Med School Computer Facility


 HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
> More on Spike Lee's "Malcolm X..."
> .
> I read today in the Chronicle that Time-Warner execs saw the
> finished product, 3 hours and 20 minutes, and are pretty shook up.
> Get ready for some more fireworks re freedom of expression.  After
> the "Cop Killer" Ice-T controversy, these dudes are scared.
> .
> The one thing which seemed to exercise them the most is the intro.
> The American flag burns into the letter X and behind it is footage
> of the Rodney King beating.
> .
> As far as I am concerned, these execs had better sit down. They
> bitched about how much it was going to cost (compared to other
> non-chocolate covered sugar bombs) and the brothers and sisters who
> had bread had to front Lee the money to get it edited. Too late now
> to stash this major mother away. 

[stoff deleted]

     I'm not sure exactly how it's happened that I've found myself on the
side of over-sized, entertainment corporations, but here goes:

     I was reasonably impressed with Time-Warner re: their handling of the
whole Ice-T Body Count flap.  Basically, they seemed to be standing by his
right to say what he wanted, despite bomb threats from various renegade 
anonymous police sympathizers and despite several major record chains' yank-
ing of the title from their shelves.  And in the end, when they stopped re-
lease, it was Ice-T himself who made the announcement.  Of course, he might
have been privately pressured, but if you read the interview with him in
a recent Rolling Stone, he actually seemed happy with T-W.
     Okay, now I'll give my standard cover-my-ass disclaimer and point out
that T-W stood to make a lot more money with the record soaring in the charts
due to all this controversy, and so, probably, a good deal of their standing
by Ice had to do with profit motive.  But I would have to posit that it's
a pretty good thing if a company is more concerned with profit than racism.
So I guess it'll be interesting to see how T-W will handle Mr. Lee's latest
offer.  BTW, what's the case for the argument that T-W came down harder on
Lee's budget problems than they would have on a white producer/director?
Just asking, not looking for flames, thank you.

                                  JCM                      
             |---------------------------------------------|
             |--Mills_J@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Jason Mills)----|
             |     "He's not dead.  He's just resting."    |
             -----------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:28:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.003404.18673@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>>
>>You don't see the face until the eyelids drop
>>you don't hear the screaming until it stops
>>
>>Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy
>>
>>I hope if you put your words into actions you get the same treatment as
>>your counterpart in this song.  I'd like to blow your brains out.
>>
>>Die in agony, M.F.,
>.
>.
>.
>You know, I can't tell who is being flamed here, Zafar or Terrance.
>I will say this, I agree with Terrance.

This is a quote from the song "Language of Violence" the only rap song
so far to come out against gay bashing. My flame was definately
directed at Zafar.  I'm suprised you haven't heard something about
Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy if you are in the Bay Area, they were
on the news a few months ago because of this song, talking about their
views against gay bashing. Also they are in BAM quite a lot if you read
Davy-D's collumn. I'll post the lyrics to this song when I get my
album back, its loaned out to someone who is checking it out.

Peace,
	 Warren Watts
From: CHRIS@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: SOMALIA:US delays aid again!
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:41:38 GMT
Organization: Rice University

Could someone provide me a list or in the direction of where I could
obtain a list of Black owned business.  Iam not interested in car
dealership or franchise type businesses.  I would be interested in
business with sales above $1/4 million, 3 employees or more, distribution,
or manfacturing, producing, or processing company.  Not a service
company like insurance or marketing company.  Would like to include
companies dealing with raw materials and good.
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: SOMALIA: US delays aid again!
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:11:54 GMT

Please, everybody, be sure you're also reading our sister
newsgroup, soc.culture.african, for daily Somalia news
updates.  They're a little ripe by the time they get to
Usenet, but better that than nothing.



-- 
Mr. Aaron Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Women Bashing
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:54:02 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <31AUG199208372457@venus.lerc.nasa.gov> edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes:

>As an about-to-be-alumna(sp?) of Spelman College, it has been my experience
>that men-of-Morehouse speak in the same manor about women as you men from
>"different socioeconomic areas.  Most of these young men come from middle-class
>to upper-middle class background but they still talk about women like dirt.
>Now, I'm not dissin' the Morehouse brothas but the general trend among 
>twentysomething Black men is to speak of women in the vain of hiphop artists
>Black Sheep. I know some brothas who LOVE them because there are two sides to
>BS: side 1--> treat the honeys (women) like queens; side 2--> talk about um
>like hos. BS subscribes to the philosophy that "ho" is short for "honey" and
>as soon as there album (I still say album, I cant help it) came out Black
>men jumped on this "ho" philosophy bandwagon. I know that BS is mild in
>comparison to Too $hort or NWA, but I use them as a example because to me
>they epitomize how the average young Black man feels about women.

Well, the dichotomy is clear as you listen to Black Sheep's album, at least 
they aren't one-sided about it; however, it seems that the listener takes
away from rap what s/he walks in with. I think BS is artistically one of the
better duo's, not to mention the slamming tracks on NWA's last album. Yet,
listening to some of the words SHOULD generate some concern as to the lyrical
content. At the moment, I'm not entirely sure whether being a selective 
consumer will persuade some artists that their views should be much more 
elevated. The responsibility of the "lesson" learned is solely that of the
listener.

Mc
From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Subject: For WARREN, about Disposables
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date:  3 Sep 1992 07:15 EDT  

In article <1992Sep2.142832.4926@ntmtv>, wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts) writes...

Sorry to annoy everyone here at s.c.a.a, but this is a message for Warren Watts

>>>You don't see the face until the eyelids drop
>>>you don't hear the screaming until it stops
>>>
>>>Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy

[Stuff about blowing out brains of potential gay basher, Zafar Minhas deleted]

>This is a quote from the song "Language of Violence" the only rap song
>so far to come out against gay bashing. My flame was definately
>directed at Zafar.  I'm suprised you haven't heard something about
>Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy if you are in the Bay Area, they were
>on the news a few months ago because of this song, talking about their
>views against gay bashing. Also they are in BAM quite a lot if you read
>Davy-D's collumn. I'll post the lyrics to this song when I get my
>album back, its loaned out to someone who is checking it out.
> 

Warren, did you get my e-mail about the Disposables? I havent heard from
you, which makes me think that you didnt.  I dont think I understand the "bang"
formant of you address.  Basically, what I wanted to know was who are they?
Where are they from? How'd they get started? Thanx :)

Also, I did located the CD, I just havent bought is yet.

Cass
edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (expires 9 4 92)
gt9153a@prism.gatech.edu
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Johns vs. Carpenter
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:12:13 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug27.195556.15347@tse.uucp> wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines) writes:

>
>Perhaps the difference is that when those black males reach the point in
>their life when they want to settle down they're more likely to pick
>one of those "sexual animal" black females as their wife. 
>Whereas, the white male is more likely to not consider the black female
>for a mate.
>

Hmmm.  I seem to remember reading something about an increase in
white-male/black female couples.  Anyone else know anything about
this, or have any thoughts about it?



-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Lee: Skip work to attend Malcolm X
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:50:11 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Aug27.155006.29834@athena.cs.uga.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
>
>Having still not forgiven Lee for the homophobic content of "School
>Daze", I don't think I'll be skipping work, school, or anything else
>in order to see this movie and put money in his pocket. 
>
>If I want to know something about Malcolm X, I'll read the
>autobiography or his speeches.  
>
>-- 
>"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
>			-Joseph Beam_
>Terrance Heath 
>heath@athena.cs.uga.edu

Spike Lee hates 'em, Malcolm X couldn't care for 'em. And I'd like to beat
one up. 

zafar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope)
Subject: Re: ignorance about skin color and sun tanning
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: soc
Date:  2 Sep 1992 16:32 EDT  

In article <1992Aug28.133849.14661@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes...
>I'm from Kenya, a country which lies across the equator, and 
>only through foreign magazines did I learn what sunburn is. It is
>an issue which still intrigues me. It is obviously true that the darker
>the skin, the less prone one is to sunburn. My skin is chocolate colored
>and I can stay in the sun as long as I please. It may darken slightly
>after prolonged exposure, but with no discomfort at all.
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In my experience, sunburn has never been painful.  I'm sitting here, now, 
with a peeling nose but not pain.

Just because it doesnt hurt, doesnt mean that isnt unhealthy (what a sentence!)
You should protect yourself against overexposure to sun, regardless of your
skin tone.

> 
>Our skin tones vary greatly from person to person even within the
>same family. Those with lighter tones may experience some rashes, or
>like I once had some funny unexplained peeling of the skin, but after
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That was sunburn!   

>extremely intense exposure -like staying for days on end outside in
>the sun, on the hot floor of the Rift Valley. This is definitely not
>comparable to what my white acquaintances describe as sunburn, which
>I'm made to understand is quite painful.

[Legit stuff about respecting other races deleted]

Loving one's own race does not equal disrepect of another race!

Cass
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Johns vs. Carpenter
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:50:45 GMT
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 27-Aug-92 Re: Johns
vs. Carpenter by Wayne Hines@tse.uucp 
> I'm not sure if I agree with the term "sexism" when it's being used to 
> describe overt come-ons for casual sex. But that's a different topic.
>  
> Regarding the conversations of brothers in the twenty-something range. 
> Unflattering views of the opposite sex are not confined to conversations 
> between males.  But that's even another topic.

Most of the conversations I've heard of between women regarding men use
the same level of language, the same references to sexuality... but are
often different in purpose.  Women, for the most part, seem to value
relationships more than sex.  Men, conversely, regard sex as the primary
emphasis in a relationship. (Comments, ladies?)

Anyway, I still find it difficult to rationalize a woman allowing
herself to be used by either a white or a black man.  Such is life, I
suppose...

DCAL
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)
Subject: Re: Women Bashing
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:13:18 GMT

In article <UedC3qi00Uh_E3Q4ht@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 2-Sep-92 Re: Women
>Bashing by Dowdy Jackson@tochtli.bi 
>> black women use this as an excuse to date a white man. They say that well
>> the majority of black men don't respect black women so I'll date this
>> white guy because he's different. That's a bunch of bull... I'm bringing
>> this up because I have had black women who are dating white men tell me this
>> kind of crap.
>
>Maybe.  My personal experience is that I meet an awful lot of women who
>have been dogged out by brothers in a variety of ways.  This is not all
>women or all men... however, there is enough of thi shappening to be a
>serious problem...
>
>DCAL

Women in general get dogged by men anyway. Its not just a sole duty of 
black men. Black women dog black men as well. The point is that just
because a black women was not treated with the respect she deserves from
a black man doesn't mean that the next black man won't treat her the way 
she wants to be treated. 
     The whole process of dating will have some people that hurt the other
person's feelings in one way or another. That doesn't mean that the hurt
person should just give up on dating totally.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: 8-Trey Gangsta Madness
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:12:45 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1992Sep2.151156.7283@seq.uncwil.edu> by frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin):

> cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:
> 
> >As quoted from <1992Aug31.141215.12210@seq.uncwil.edu> by frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin):
> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >I heard a group of Blacks interviewed on NPR regarding the Denny beating a few
> >> >months ago.  Let me tell you, with one notable exception, you could have sworn
> >> >it was a bunch of White bigots justifying the King beating.  It was truly 
> >> >pathetic.  If you reversed the racial terms, the conversation could have easily
> >> >taken place in an ethnic bar in Howard Beach, NY; Parma, OH or Cicero, IL.
> >> 
> >> >Sorry, there are enough WHITE Klansman.  I don't think we're benefitting 
> >> >ourselves in any way by acting like Black ones....
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Newsflash:
> >> 
> >> Sunday StarNews Sunday, August 30, 1992
> >> 
> >> Police Blotter
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 	A racially motivated violent incident was reported to have
> 
> >Of course to be really relevant to the issue at hand, some otherwise law-
> >abiding citizens would have to "explain" how this was a good thing....
> 
> 
> 
> >-- 
> >------------------------------------------------------------------  
> 
> >"Well whose opinions did you THINK these were...?" 
> >------------------------------------------------------------------  
> 
> 
> HUH?

My point was not the beating of Denny, it was the DEFENSE of the beating by
otherwise normal people.  In order to comparable, you need a similar assinine
defense of violence.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------  

"Well whose opinions did you THINK these were...?" 
------------------------------------------------------------------
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Women Bashing
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:59:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <minor.715300663@coal8> minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor) writes:
>
>
>I missed the beginning of this thread but taking a step back...
>
>Well, I'd just to like to let you know that there are plenty of black men
>that do respect black women. But I'll agree perhaps the majority do not.
>However, that is not an ailment that is reserved for black men or for
>that matter, men alone.
>
>Let's not consider rap for now but music in general. A great number of
>songs out today talk about sex and not in a respectful sense.
>When BBD first brought there album out, I was seriously angered by the
>contents all nearly all their lyrics. What made it worse was that Michael
>Bivens' public apperances were truly embarrassing to me as a black man.
>As far as I'm concerned, he has a great deal of negative influence on
>whatever he is associated with. The first video of Another Bad Creation
>had the young brothas wearing beepers - hell it looked like they were
>barely strong enough to carry the damn things. And what the hell do a
>bunch of children need with beepers ?

	This is something that has bothered me too, upon hearing some
of the earliest trax from the BBD album.  The videos bothered me even
more, as nearly all of the women in the video were photograped all the
way up to the neck and no further (not to mention that just when you
thought they were about the show the faces of the young ladies we were
treated instead to the mugs of the BBD boys) and those who were left
with their faces were left so only because they happen to be sucking
on lollipops or something. Did their mothers see this!?   Did these
guys ever graduate from High School, mentally that is?!?
	The funny part is that when I'm around other young black men,
they assume I'm straight (Yes, I can actually pass...sometimes), and
then I get to hear what they REALLY think about women.  I swear I'm
going to start taping this stuff and then I'm going to write it down
and start distributing it among women.

>And let's not talk about LL's "Round the way girl" (I probably don't have 
>the title right, but I don't give a sh*t as it doesn't deserve that much
>respect)... Here we are trying to tell ourselves to be proud of who we
>are and of our African characteristics. We have made it a laughing
>matter to get extensions and contacts... And here comes LL, talking
>about the round the way girl...

Well...




-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: 8-Trey Gangsta Madness
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:15:19 GMT

mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:


>$>My point is that it was dangerous for a woman (or anyone) to be on a street
>$>corner at 10 p.m. The fact that the boys and the woman are of different races
>$>is the only thing that makes this incident "racial."  If you make everyone the
>$>same race in the same incident, then it becomes teenaged boys harassing a
>$>woman and it probably wouldnt have made the papers.
  


 (And why is it dangerous for someone to be on that corner. Shouldn't
  it be safe? They may not have harrassed a black woman. Make Rodney
  King white. Would that have changed the publicity of that beating?)



>Cassandra's right.  I shiver at the thought of my fiancee waiting outside
>our apartment for the bus at 4:30 in the morning to go to work, so Much
>so that I'm willing to drag my tired ass out of bed and stand there and wait
>with her.  It really ain't a race thing.  It's basically just what your 
>surroundings are.


So Rodney King just hadn't ADJUSTED to his surroundings, right?
Come on Malcolm, those boys yelled "White Bitch..etc."

Remember Reconstruction?
We don't blame those lynchings on "surroundings".
Or at least I don't. I blame racism.

I admire your dedication to the safety of your fiance'.
But wouldn't it be nice if you could leave your door unlocked all nite?