From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Premeditated Murder - Part 2 (was Re: No charges filed in SWAT killing
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:54:28 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>In <rxgnvq_@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>>  The first, aimed round from
>>an MP5 would be expected to be as accurate as any first round fired from
>>a similar dimentioned weapon.  Who knows, then again I could be wrong.
>>After all, I've only fired a few hundred rounds through such a critter
>>so I'm by no means as qualified as Dan, our armchair expert and resident
>>police appologist.

>	Cheap shot, John.  

Yep.

>If it wasn't, why the switch to full-auto
>from semi-auto?  Was it done before or after he recognized a stopping shot?
>Did he aim for the neck, or just for center mass?  Since you've fired a
>few hundred rounds through such a critter, what does it take for an
>automatic burst of one round at a 4" x 3" moving target at, say, ten feet?

There are 1.67 milliseconds between rounds at 600 rpm.  On my homemade
drag racing christmas tree simulator, I can consistently hit a reaction
time of about 450 milliseconds.  I'm told I'm pretty good.  It's kinda
obvious that no mere human can make even an involuntary decision in
about 2 ms.  That rules out Tony evaluating the first shot in a burst
and terminating the burst before the second round is fired.  

To evaluate my ability to intentionally fire one round in full auto, I just set
up a quick experiment with a microswitch configured as a trigger monitored
on my digital storage scope.  I found that I could with extreme concentration
and with a little practice, press and release the "trigger" in about
200 milliseconds.  That is consistent with my (rather short) experience 
with the MP5 and my much more extensive experience with a Mac-10 (600-1000
rpm depending on the condition of the bumper and the tune.)  With either
I can moderately easily squeeze off 2 round bursts.  I don't think I
can do a single shot even under controlled conditions.  I no longer have
any Class III weapons so I can't actually test this.

I'm completely comfortable saying with 100% certainty that our good old
budy Tony could not fire one round in full auto under tactical conditions.
Either that weapon jammed after the first shot (doubtful.  Was that mentioned
in the paper) or he was on semi-auto and flipped it to auto after the 
event.  To head off your inevitable claim, Dan, yes, I'd love to 
present this test data to a jury.  I'd even do it at no charge.
From the news reports, it does not look like I'd ever get a chance 
because good 'ole Tony is not going to be charged.

John

BTW, are we gonna talk about that fellow in Idaho and the government tactics
used or is it considerd "OK" to hunt him down like a dog because he is
a white supremist?

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