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From: kellerjb@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jeffrey Keller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Pacers/Warriors trade RUMOR
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:36:43 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center



It was reported in an Indianapolis paper just yesterday, I believe, that there
was a possibility that Rik Smits could be traded for Billy Owens.  I don't
think that it mentioned any draft picks or anything from either side.  
Obviously, this would affect both teams greatly.  The Pacers would get away
from their first quarter offense (pass to Smits, jump hook, off the rim) and
into a real run and gun, which is what Bob Hill seems to really want.  As
for Golden State, the onlt place they would be affected is shooting percentage.
It would drop dramatically.  There wouldn't be a change in their rebounding,
though.  (Smits:  ZERO rebounds through 3 quarters against Boston the other
night)  But, at least he would keep other teams' big men busy.  Golden State
does need help on the inside.

Potential Pacer starting lineup:
C Dale Davis (19 rebounds against Orlando Saturday)
F Detlef Schrempf (2-time NBA Sixth man - if there is ANY justice, he will be
                   in the All-Star game)
F Billy Owens
G Reggie Miller (20 PPG)
G Pooh Richardson

And off the bench,
F Kenny Williams, G Vern Fleming, G George McCloud

Bring in Williams for Owens, and there are three big men who can run.

Maybe this is the lineup the Pacers could finally turn from pretender to
contender with.


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From: stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)
Subject: aaaaalaaaaaaaa
Originator: stuart@mingus
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:34:12 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


Among the many great qualities of Robert Parish that are either
overlooked or entirely under-appreciated is his straight-faced
deadpan delivery of some hilarious comments.

His name for Alaa Abdelnaby: Abra Cadabra.
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From: kolli@seas.gwu.edu (Chakravarthy Kolli)
Subject: Re: Laettner selfish?
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:04:12 GMT

In article <93005.065730KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>  I have been reading reports from several papers (Baltimore Sun and USA Today)
>that the Timberwolf players are most upset with Christian Laettner because of
>his selfish play.  I read where, after getting the ball at midcourt with no one
>in front of him but Doug West, that Christian, in lieu of passing it to West,
>dribbled it down and dunked it himself.  Chuck Person, who is known for keeping
>quiet, said that only a player interested in his own personal stats wouldn't
>have passed it up court.  If this story is true, then the rookie has a lot to
>answer for.  As a former college basketball player, I can tell you that rule
>number one for a big man is not to piss off the people who pass the ball inside
>and Laettner has seemed to forget this one.  This rule is just above the rule
>of keeping the big men happy so they will rebound the ball for the little guys.
>  Anyway, there are tons of players who are stat happy (as much as I love
>watching him play, Jordan is the biggest one), but this seems to be extreme.

  I don't think Jordan is selfish. Last year when the Bulls were coasting
with a comfortable margin in many games, he would be on the bench. Something
that statistics, don't say is the way he gets his points and when he is in the
game. All his points are hard earned by himself. Which other player
can boast of that. Karl Malone? Ask John Stockton. Barkley?. Nope. The
centers?. No, point gaurd has to do reasonable amount of the work even
for great centers.

 Heck, in the game against Knicks on Christmas day, Jordan with one
player ahead of him gave the ball to Pippen to dunk, when he could have done
it himself easily

Inspite of all the number of shots he takes per game, he is not selfish.
He takes that many shots, beacause he is still the best person to do in the
Bulls team.

 One think I noticed is that, when Paxson is in, he feels comfortable to
dump the ball to Paxson. 

chak kolli
From: dvasilef@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Vasileff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Schrempf is not all-world! (Was Re: SCHREMPF is getting SCREWED by
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:42:19 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

Schrempf should be on the team for his rebounding, ball-handling, play-making,
and scoring abilities, which are all top-notch skills for him.  I wouldn't call
his defense atrocious.  At worst it's average, and at best, because of
Schrempf's size and quickness, he's tough to match up against at the 3 or 4.
Speaking of which, he really can play all 5 positions.

David
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From: trump@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael Jason Lewis)
Subject: IR rules
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:00:02 GMT

What's the deal with the "five-game injured reserve list"?  The way that 
sounds, there are other (I presume longer) IR lists, but there are all these
people like Terry Cummings who went on the 5-game IR (henceforth 5GIR) on 11/5
and is expected to be out for the season.  And Nique going on 5GIR with a
broken finger, and Bernard King...and a whole lot of other people.  Is the 
5GIR somehow superior to the other IRs?

And to contribute a small clarification, with less than 0.3 seconds left the
player receiving the inbounds pass may not catch it, but must tip the ball.

- Mike Lewis
trump@leland.stanford.edu
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From: mittman1@athena.mit.edu (Christopher T Chiu)
Subject: Ruland's back (Was Re: BOXSCORE det27orl25.02jan93)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:15:54 GMT


Thomas McGuigan writes in his boxscore:
>ruland,??          4   0   2   0  0   0  0   0  1   0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
^^^^^^^^^^
In case you're wondering, that's JEFF Ruland, who was cut by
the 76ers earlier this year and has now signed with the Pistons.
Question is, how will his shaky body hold up?  Does anybody know
his current injury status is?

From a curious adventurer,
Genghis
mittman1@athena.mit.edu
From: gt1490d@prism.gatech.EDU (Gintas Jazbutis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: How to select All-Stars
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:38:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


How should we determine who is on the all-star team?
Is fan voting for the starters the best way?


I think it's fine the way it is.
Granted, some fan voting decisions look stupid.  


This argument always comes up in baseball balloting:

"Player A (who is having a sub-par year at the end of a
Hall of Fame career) was voted in, while player B (a 12-year
chump who had a hot first half, and who subsequently reverts 
to chump level anyway) was not even on the team!  Oh, the
injustice of it all."

Clearly player A is the star--he is well known, popular, and
has had a stellar career.  He will be enshrined in a sports temple.
The other will coach minor league ball and never be heard from again.



Jaz
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From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Life after LA (was: Alaa is playing in Boston!!!)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:48:56 GMT
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In article <C0HLnA.66w@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
>
>Mychal is a broadcaster now?  He seemed like an
>honorable fellow; how's he doing in his new life?

Sorry, I don't know the answer to your question.
But I was wondering if Seattle would trade Thompson the broadcaster
for Elden Campbell the washout, straight up? I think Thompson
at 36 (or 37?) would be more useful than Campbell has been.

				R.S.
From: terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: BOXSCORE: Clippers 103 - Timberwolves 95  12/18/92
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:46:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan8.044646.21872
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

min 95, lac 103   18dec92

MISSING: Offensive Rebounds

min ( 5-14)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
laettner,christia 36   9  15   0  1   6  8   - 10   2  4  1  3  0  0  0  0   24
person,chuck       3   1   1   0  0   0  0   -  1   0  1  0  1  0  0  0  0    2
longley,luc       35   3   7   0  0   0  0   -  3   2  4  3  2  1  0  0  0    6
west,doug         39   8  17   0  0   5  6   -  4   3  2  1  2  0  0  0  0   21
williams,micheal  33   6   9   2  2   2  4   -  2  10  3  5  3  0  0  0  0   16
bailey,thurl      37   6  12   0  0   2  4   -  7   4  3  1  0  1  0  0  0   14
mccann,bob        11   3   3   0  0   0  0   -  2   0  0  0  2  0  0  0  0    6
smith,chris       18   3   4   0  0   0  0   -  2   0  0  0  1  1  0  0  0    6
blanks,lance       9   0   0   0  0   0  0   0  0   2  1  0  2  0  0  0  0    0
spencer,felton     8   0   0   0  0   0  0   -  1   1  2  0  0  1  0  0  0    0
sellers,brad      11   0   2   0  0   0  0   -  2   0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
min totals       240  39  70   2  3  15 22   0 34  24 22 11 16  4  0  0  0   95
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .557   .667   .682       team rebs  7, team TO's 3
procedure technicals 1

lac (13- 9)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
norman,ken        39  12  19   0  0   1  2   - 10   0  3  2  2  0  0  0  0   25
manning,danny     39  11  14   0  0   5  7   -  7   2  5  1  2  0  0  0  0   27
roberts,stanley   25   5   9   0  0   0  6   -  2   0  3  0  1  2  0  0  0   10
harper,ron        41   5  17   1  5   2  3   -  8   8  0  3  3  2  0  0  0   13
jackson,mark      37   5  12   0  0   3  5   -  3   4  1  2  3  0  0  0  0   13
vaught,loy        14   1   4   0  0   0  0   -  4   0  3  1  0  0  0  0  0    2
grant,gary        25   4   5   0  0   0  0   0  0   8  2  3  2  0  0  0  0    8
williams,john     17   1   5   0  0   1  2   -  1   0  1  2  0  1  0  0  0    3
woods,randy        1   0   0   0  0   0  0   0  0   1  0  0  1  0  0  0  0    0
spencer,elmore     1   0   1   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    0
jackson,jaren      1   1   1   0  0   0  0   0  0   0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0    2
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
lac totals       240  45  87   1  5  12 25   0 35  23 18 14 14  5  0  0  0  103
FG, 3P, FT averages:     .517   .200   .480       team rebs 17, team TO's 1

min   34  20  26  15  -   95
lac   31  29  17  26  -  103

attendance 10353, time 2:15, officials: TDurham,DGarretson,LGrillo
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: IN MEMORIAM: Johnny Most
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:12:29 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1993Jan4.203526.4709@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>...[]...
>     Most was a lot like the Boston Garden -- lots of tradition, but just
>not that great.  I'm not saying that the current Celtic announcers are 
>better than Most was (I haven't heard them much) but there are quite a few
>who I think were better than Johnny Most.  Sure it was entertaining to
>hear Most call Ruland and Mahorn "McFilthy and McNasty" but what I really
>want from an announcer is a description of the game and what's going on
>and who's doing what on the court an descriptions of the players and plays.  
>Most wasn't that good at that.
>
>  | W			   Mike Tamada

far be it for me to defend Most's style...i still chuckle when i recall
pistol pete's reaction to hearing Most when he came up to Celtics at the
end of his career:  "Wow - what a homer!"  it is certainly true that Most
saw everything through Celtic Green glasses when he covered their games.
he used to always get on the refs - so much so that when it was conceivable
that the refs could've jobbed the C's, i still dismissed it as Most making
the most of it.  as his career wound down he actually started to mellow.
but by then he had enormous difficulty keeping track of the game.  often
ordway would bail him out.  infact ordway had a son-grandfatherly approach
to correcting the old coot in a way that clearly showed his respect for
Johnny.

however, in the earlier years (50's & 60's), i understand that you did
get a good coverage of the game, heavily mixed in with his bias as it was.
there were occasions then when the NBA would have double-headers and have
another game with 2 visiting teams - just to showcase the stars around the
league.  i have heard that he could do very well in those games.  i was in
michigan at the time and the pistons were basically doormats with a chicago
white sox pitcher for a star (DeBusshere) - so i wasnt following the NBA.

- nate
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From: edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: *All Star Game 1993*
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:29:23 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

I, being a huge blazer fan in the middle of jordanland, must respond about my
team
>
>Has anyone noticed how first Drazen, then Abdelnaby moved from the Blazers
>in the mighty west to the east, and went from bench warmers to stars?
>
>Atleast Alaa seems to have upped his game considerably.
>
>Draw your own conclusions, which I'm sure you all will!

Minutes are usually a key ingredient in improvement.  The blazers traded
Drazen to get experience (Walt Davis) and NJ got a player who needed more
minutes than he got behind Clyde to be a force.  Alaa was behind
power forwards and centers: Duck, Buck, Cliff and Bryant on this year's
blazers... in Boston he has Parish, McHale, and Kleine (plus injured
Pinckney).  When you consider the limited playing time Parish & Kevin can
handle, its no wonder he plays.  I don't think the blazers doubted his
ability.

Of course, this comment is not intended to discredit your claim of a weak
east.  The bulls, the knicks (maybe) and the cavs ( who are a crappy team
without price &/or dougherty which they often are) are the teams that could
win in the west at above .500.  The Pacific division is stronger than the best
seven teams in the east.

>By the way, I think the glyde may have trouble making the all star team,
>but Uncle Cliffy would surely make a fine addition, atleast as a coaches
>pick!

I think we all realize that the all-star starters are going to be determined
on popularity and last year more than this first 1/2 season.  Clyde probably
will win a starting job and I doubt that there will be 2 blazers on the team
regardless (there are just too many good players in the west) and the angel
with the (alternatively) red/white/black headband will be denied a spot on the
team. 

This of course will be a shame but I guess it will give us Trailblazer fans
something else to bitch about.
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From: tgross@cvbnet.prime.com (Thomas Gross x2002 5-2)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: IN MEMORIAM: Johnny Most
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:28:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision

In article <4JAN199312593920@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>, dolsen@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (David Olsen) writes:
|> In article <1ia165INNfv0@news.aero.org>, robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger) writes...
|> >One thing I must say though is that it seemed - and I've heard - that Most 
|> >would very often dis the Smelltic's opposition. In '85, the year
|> >of the Magic Johnson mini-skyhook, NBC (or whichever network was covering)
|> 
|> Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.   Magic's baby hook was in the 4th game of the '87
|> series.  Of course the little hook was sandwiched between two great shots
|> by Bird; the first of which he made and the second of which he missed, but
|> he really had balls to always take the big shot.

	Correct.  It was June 9, 1987 to be exact.  The same evening
	that Carly Simon's HBO special was recorded on the Vineyard.

	Funny, I always remember that game as the one where McHale failed
	to grab the missed foul shot, and sent the ball out of bounds.
	I do remember Bird missing the final shot, but as for Magic's
	shot, I wasn't 100% sure we were talking about the nightmare
	on my 35th birthday, or what, until I saw Dave Olsen's reply.

/tom
From: dougs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Steele)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:34:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Team Standings and Stats
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro

   The good old fashioned Computer Ranking:


                   Avg Opponent's  Avg.                    Rating
     Team Name        Position    Margin  ( W -  L -  T)   Points
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 1 Phoenix              13.08      7.85   (21 -  5 -  0)   9.84
 2 Seattle              13.41      8.48   (19 -  8 -  0)   8.17
 3 Chicago              15.24      5.59   (22 -  7 -  0)   7.02
 4 Cleveland            13.97      5.90   (18 - 12 -  0)   5.94
 5 Portland             12.07      4.11   (18 -  9 -  0)   5.37
 6 NewYork              14.32      5.04   (18 - 10 -  0)   5.09
 7 Utah                 17.07      5.15   (19 -  8 -  0)   3.67
 8 SanAntonio           16.15      5.07   (15 - 12 -  0)   3.06
 9 Orlando              14.56      3.60   (13 - 12 -  0)   2.52
10 GoldenState          13.21      1.59   (16 - 13 -  0)   2.35
11 LAClippers           14.28      2.17   (16 - 13 -  0)   2.19
12 Detroit              14.93      0.00   (15 - 12 -  0)   1.16
13 LALakers             13.14      0.68   (15 - 13 -  0)   0.77
14 Houston              13.15      0.07   (14 - 13 -  0)   0.69
15 NewJersey            14.48      0.03   (16 - 13 -  0)   0.36
16 Indiana              13.62      0.45   (13 - 16 -  0)   0.32
17 Charlotte            14.14     -0.25   (15 - 13 -  0)  -0.17
18 Sacramento           13.30      0.96   (11 - 16 -  0)  -1.79
19 Milwaukee            13.32     -2.04   (13 - 15 -  0)  -1.91
20 Boston               14.80     -2.23   (13 - 17 -  0)  -2.72
21 Miami                14.33     -2.78   ( 8 - 19 -  0)  -3.59
22 Philadelphia         12.65     -6.31   ( 8 - 18 -  0)  -4.56
23 Atlanta              15.29     -4.25   (12 - 16 -  0)  -4.83
24 Washington           12.62     -6.66   ( 9 - 20 -  0)  -5.10
25 Denver               11.04     -8.81   ( 7 - 20 -  0)  -5.94
26 Minnesota            15.00     -7.20   ( 6 - 19 -  0) -10.01
27 Dallas               12.92    -18.40   ( 2 - 23 -  0) -17.41

Notes: 10 percent of wins  = 21.00.
       Average home margin =  3.98.
       Biggest win: SAC 139 - DAL 81.
       Avg points per game = 210.86.
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From: dodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stirling S. Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: *All Star Game 1993*
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:08:30 GMT
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In article <1ikdcfINNos@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>>		east: michael jordan, patrick ewing, scottie pippen,
>>>		      shaq o'neal, mark price, reggie miller, 
>>>		      joe dumar, isiah thomas, reggie lewis, 
>>>		      kevin mchale(?), larry johnson(?),		      
>>>
>>    Well, substitute Blue Edwards for Isiah and I suppose I could go
>>    for it.
>     
>     And now that I think about it, how about adding Drazen Petrovic for
>     McHale. Jeez, that guy can play.
>
>     --salty
>
>

Has anyone noticed how first Drazen, then Abdelnaby moved from the Blazers
in the mighty west to the east, and went from bench warmers to stars?

Atleast Alaa seems to have upped his game considerably.

Draw your own conclusions, which I'm sure you all will!

By the way, I think the glyde may have trouble making the all star team,
but Uncle Cliffy would surely make a fine addition, atleast as a coaches
pick!

-- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
S Dod^2  |   "Do what you do but know why you're doing it"---GBH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Protest system unfair? (Re: Suns file protest in San Antonio loss)
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:48:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1993Jan12.154807.85177
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <43332@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>
>not San Antonio's fault that the officials keep erring in their
>favor.  (Well, it *is* their fault that they keep putting an extra
>man on the floor, but this is not an appropriate penalty for that
>violation.)
>
>I wonder if the system ought to allow games to be protested even if
>the officials' error is in favor of the team that ultimately loses
>the game.
>
>Opinions?
>
>
>
>Tony

Well, a lot depends on one factor (as far as I look at it...) 
Do you think that having 6 men on the court is deserving of the technical,
as the rules state, at any other point in the game???  If so, then it not
only should be called, but should allow the protest to go through.  Having
it happen at the end of the game is a CRUCIAL point, and the team that doesn't
have the coaching to prevent it should be penalized as the rules state.  The
fact that the refs missed it isn't the real issue (they can make mistakes and
not have seen it), but the fact that the Suns pointed it out to them and they
still didn't call it (which seems to be a violation of the rules) is what I
would question.  If it is considered a "judgement" call, then you shouldn't
allow a replay/protest.  If it is an incorrect ruling, you should...
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