HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: douglas@wpi.WPI.EDU (Douglas C White)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: How do I set up a kill file?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 20:30:45 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

I've been reading this newsgroup for years, and its served
me well.  Synthesizers, software, best deals, informed
opinions,  Metlays, Nick's, user tapes, best buys, stuff
to buy, stuff to sell, etc.  I enjoy and even relate to
the serious as well as humorous exchange of idea's and
even the sense of community amongst those writers who
in the spirit of good will toward others join in the fun. 
Thanks for it all and lets have more to come!

	-Doug

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Douglas White                         douglas@wpi.wpi.edu
Dept. of Chem. Eng.                   
WPI
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones)
Subject: Re: Mannheim Rocket??
Organization: Space Astronomy Lab, Madison WI
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:41:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.151500.73@cbnews.cb.att.com> sgk@cbnews.cb.att.com (stan.g.kobylanski) writes:
>
>
>In the November 92 issue of Keyboard, Jim Aikin discussed music education      
>and posed a small musical facts quiz in which he asked to define some musical
>terms.  I didn't know all of them but I had heard most of them at       
>one time or another except for "Mannheim rocket".  I've ask a few
>knowledgeable musical friends and they have never heard of it either.  Because 
>it was in a synthesizer oriented peridical, I thought perhaps someone who
>reads this discussion might know and be able to define this term.

I suspect that this is another name for the "Mannheim crescendo". 
I'm short on historical background, here, but the jist is that it
was an early approach to controlled dynamics in classical music. 
Instead of bearing (then unstandardized?) dynamic markers 
to indicate a crescendo, the score was written so that
instruments at the same dynamic level were gradually added 
to increase the overall volume.

A good technique for someone's synthetic music, I imagine...

-- 
| Randy Jones           | When humankind finally travels among the stars,
| rej@bob.sal.wisc.edu  | it will be through electromechanical means.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: Sound Dump Libraries?
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:18:45 GMT

erhellfr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Edgar Hellfritsch) writes:


>Does anyone know if there are any public ftp sites with
>synth dump libraries?

You'd probably get more useful reactions if you said what kind of synth
you're interested in...

--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra    hjv@phil.ruu.nl  *  How can I save my dreams
Dept. of Philosophy                      *  in the nightmare, in the flood
University of Utrecht                    *  But I try.
The Netherlands                          *
From: (Christopher J. Amow)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: Midi Trigger (for a pseudo drummer!)
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.synth
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:14:21 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdr170.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Nov19.143846.28237@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv
Naimpally) wrote:
> 
> In article <1eetg3INN3d@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>, (Christopher J. Amow) writes:
> |> Hi y'all,
> |> 
> |> Does anyone out there know of an 'affordable' Midi trigger (real basic,
> 
> I'm not sure exactly what are you asking for. If you want a low cost
> set of pads that can be used to play drum sounds you might try the
> Roland Pad5 (5 pads), and the Yamaha ones (there are at least 2 models,
> one with 4 pads and one with 8). These pads are 3-4" in diameter
> and are velocity sensitive - striking them produces MIDI notes.
> I think the cheapest one (Yamaha 4 pad) is under $100 ...

thanks Shiv

that sounds perfect if it is really that inexpensive - are these meant to
be used with drumsticks?

What is your source - I've never seen anything like that at Guitar Center,
Musicians Friend, or any of the other larger places I have been at.

Later,
Chris
From: erhellfr@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Edgar Hellfritsch)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Sound Dump Libraries?
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:10:11 GMT
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany

Hi there,

Does anyone know if there are any public ftp sites with
synth dump libraries?
If not, why not?!

I think it would be very useful. I know the /pub/guitar
library of ftp.nevada.edu (with guitar tabs for 100s of
songs), and I could imagine the same thing for synth
sounds.

Edgar
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: david@osc.edu (David Knight)
Subject: Re: Shielding Computer Monitors?
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:02:49 GMT

In article <BARSZ.92Nov18164842@bmtlh168.bnr.ca> barsz@bnr.ca (Peter Barszczewski) writes:
>I am having a problem with the electro-magnetic interference (EMI) coming
>from my computer system bleeding into my mixing board, midi cables, patch
>chords, effects, etc., etc.  It is especially noticeable when I turn on my
>computer monitor.  The only reasonable solution I can think of is to paint
>the inside of the monitor case with conductive paint ... or seal the entire
>system in concrete ;-).  [...]

This is just a guess, but, what the hey, that's never stopped me before, so...
I don't think the concrete would help much ;^) .  Actually, I suspect it's
the cable between your monitor & computer rather than the monitor itself.
To find out, leave the computer off but turn the monitor on.  Do you notice
EMI or not?  If so, the problem *is* your monitor; if not then it's probably
the cable.  (I'm assuming you've already conducted another test, namely:
have you disconnected your monitor cable, left the monitor off, but turned
the computer on?  If no EMI then it's not your computer, either.)  Assuming
it *is* your cable, I'd guess that one approach that would be effective
would be to encase it within a grounded field, i.e., coaxify it.  Another
approach would be to keep it as distant as possible from all your other
cables & gear.  Avoid running cables with noise problems parallel to each
other because that encourages crosstalk, too.


Who knows, my advice might actually work!?
-- Dave Knight    |  "American Lighting thank you for your purchasing of
   david@osc.edu  |   our finest lamp products!
                  |  "Please assemblied by two persons' cooperate is more
                  |   easily completed.
                  |  (on the front of two pages:) "--backpage to be continued--"
From: srscnslt@telesciences.com (SRS Consultant)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Re: NEWS patch-sheet trading?
Keywords: patches,patch,interpatching
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:09:53 GMT
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov12.155953.28900@athena.mit.edu> hogarty@athena.mit.edu (Sean T. Hogarty) writes:
>I think patch-posting is a cool idea, though it might be a
>cool idea for someone to post a standard blank sheet for
>the particular unit they're posting for.  Depending on the
>volume, r.m.m.synth.patches might be okay.  
>


	Well, count me in.

	As far as SY22/33/35 patches go, there are a couple text files on
ucsd.edu that have patches.  Those templates look pretty good to me.



Mitch Gorman		srscnslt@telesciences.com		slave@work
			emrys@cellar.org			god@home

"Stand, on hills of long forgotten yesterdays..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Midi Trigger (for a pseudo drummer!)
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:38:46 GMT

In article <1eetg3INN3d@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>, (Christopher J. Amow) writes:
|> Hi y'all,
|> 
|> Does anyone out there know of an 'affordable' Midi trigger (real basic,
|> mayber just an assignable
|> MIDI channel) that I can use for the more complex fills when I sequence on
|> my O1/W fd?
|> 
|> Thanks
|> Chris

I'm not sure exactly what are you asking for. If you want a low cost
set of pads that can be used to play drum sounds you might try the
Roland Pad5 (5 pads), and the Yamaha ones (there are at least 2 models,
one with 4 pads and one with 8). These pads are 3-4" in diameter
and are velocity sensitive - striking them produces MIDI notes.
I think the cheapest one (Yamaha 4 pad) is under $100 ...
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Mailorderprice for Tascam MM-1?
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:43:20 GMT

Steve's Music in Ottawa has the MM1 for $750 Canadian.
Their number is 613-232-1131. They take Visa and MC.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: wang@hp4at.eunet.co.at (Wang)
Subject: Mailorderprice for Tascam MM-1?
Organization: EUnet EDV-Dienstleistungsgesellschaft m.b.H
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:53:57 GMT

Anyone can recommend a mailordercompany selling to Europe, accepting VISA-card
and having a good price for the Tascam MM-1 19" mixer?
What's the price for this mixer in the U.S. anyway?

Thanks a lot,
michael

-- 
Michael Zacherl, Management Data Wang Ltd., Vienna |
E-MAIL: mza@zwerg.wang.co.at                       | "Proof your chances,
PHONE:  +43 (1) 89-111 ext. 433                    |  and leave them or not."
FAX:    +43 (1) 894-17-14                          |     
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (Laird Nelson)
Subject: Patch Copyrighting
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:51:20 GMT

For those who are interested, here is the gloss from a *real* *live* 
intellectual property lawyer on the subject of patch copyrighting.

As expected, it is not a hard and fast rule that applies here.  Essentially,
in the eyes of the court, if you're a third party developer and you save a
parameter list to a card (say you make an M1 patch), then you have written
a Program, as rudimentary and crappy as it may be.  As such, your *expression*
is copyrighted, but not the idea.

Fair enough.

Now, in a couple of cases that were just handed down in the past couple of 
weeks, it has been ruled that *UNDER THE CORRECT CIRCUMSTANCES* the 
phenomenon of "reverse engineering" is okay.  What this would mean, if it is
applicable in the synth world, and I'm not sure that it is, is that you 
(being the hypothetical third-party M1 developer) can hand me a card, I can
plug it in, figure out what you did, i.e. write down all your settings on a 
piece of paper, hand you the card back, and enter those settings myself into
my M1.  What I *cannot* do legally is take your card & copy it directly into
my M1 or onto my hard drive.

Again, I should point out that contrary to what a lot of the press has
concluded as soon as they got wind of these cases it is not at *all* clear
whether reverse engineering is permitted in the synth world.

Summary and short answer: Yes, the patches contained on third party cards can
be copyrighted.  What is copyrighted?  Namely, the settings saved to the card.
That doesn't mean you can't independently arrive at the same sounds or anything
like that.

Hope this helps...I anticipate that this will generate a lot of "But what
if..." types of mail.  Frankly, that's sort of a waste of time :) because the
entire issue is, as has been mentioned before, a really tricky area of the
law.

So don't fill my mailbox.  :)  :)

LAiRD

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ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu           |
ljnelson@amh.amherst.edu            |          The Quintet-essential.
(413) 542-2932                      |
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: barsz@bnr.ca (Peter Barszczewski)
Subject: Shielding Computer Monitors?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: rec
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:48:42

I am having a problem with the electro-magnetic interference (EMI) coming
from my computer system bleeding into my mixing board, midi cables, patch
chords, effects, etc., etc.  It is especially noticeable when I turn on my
computer monitor.  The only reasonable solution I can think of is to paint
the inside of the monitor case with conductive paint ... or seal the entire
system in concrete ;-).  In an effort to re-arrange my studio, I came up
with an ergonomical layout where I have easy access to my computer and
racks (and beer fridge), but the computer is generating too much noise for
this layout to be useful.

Surely others have encountered this problem ... any solutions?  BTW, if it
makes any difference the computer is a '386 with an SVGA monitor.
--
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From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,news.groups
Subject: Re: Would you ALL like a demonstration? (was Re: Dave Hayes may be right)
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:45:06 GMT
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA

chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>How would you like me to post one article per day to the top 100 groups
>>in each newsgroup, inviting everyone over to news.groups with a subject
>>line like "DANGER! YOUR group may go away."? 
>It would demonstrate only that you're capable of mass deception.

Really? If I posted that "people in news.groups feel that if you see
a message of this form...that you should read it or risk losing your 
group name", that's deception?

What do you think would really happen?
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

Supporter (n.) - 1. Someone who will say anything.
From: diarmuid@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Diarmuid Pigott)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Comparable to Proteus/2
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:18:09 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


A friend with limited resources would like to buy a MIDI module 
with a full complement of orchestral sounds, to assist him in composing
orthodox classical music.

I have recommended a Proteus/2, as I have one and, while I am quite happy
with it, I would like to give my friend a balanced opinion.

Can anyone out there in netland offer reasonable alternatives to the 
Proteus/2 in terms of value-for-money?

Thank you in anticipation.

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From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,news.groups,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Dave Hayes may be right (was Re: To keep the r.m.s rename...)
Followup-To: news.groups
Date: 18 Nov 1992 00:49:03 GMT
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<1992Nov15.125544.12300@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov's message of Sun, 15 Nov 1992 12:55:44 GMT

[* Followups to news.groups, _again_.  Readers of r.m[.m].s: If you
disapprove of Dave continuing to import this flamewar into your
groups, either email or post to tell him to stop it.  If you enjoy
having your nose rubbed in it, post as well (I can be wrong :) . *]

I just wonder how Dave knows that the will of r.m.s wasn't reflected
in the vote.  Does he know every reader of r.m.s and know that they
weren't the majority of the voters?

Paraphrasing Jesus, the ignorant will always be with us.  This does
not mean that we give up trying to inform the ignorant and trying to
find better ways to do so.  But it also does not mean that ignorance
gives an excuse to flaunt an existing system.  Let's modify the
Guidelines, if that's plainly called for and generally supported.
But don't ignore the result of the vote, which is the only way we
currently have of measuring "the will of the net".
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie)
Subject: Re: STRAW POLL ON NEWSGROUP RENAMING
Reply-To: emcguire@intellection.com
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:19:47 GMT

emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire) writes:

>Please reply by mail to the mailbox <ed@intellection.com>.

>1.  Do you read rec.music.synth?
>	(yes/no)

>2.  On the issue of rec.music.synth renaming, do you
>	(a) strongly favor rec.music.synth, please proceed with revote
>	(b) strongly favor rec.music.makers.synth, please leave as is
>	(c) strongly favor dropping the dispute, please leave me alone
>	(d) not care as long as a synth group exists
>-- 
>Ed McGuire                   1603 LBJ Freeway, Suite 780
>Systems Administrator/       Dallas, Texas 75234
> Member of Technical Staff   214/620-2100, FAX 214/484-8110
>Intellection, Inc.           <ed@intellection.com>

I hope Ed McGuire doesn't mind my repost here -- I've set the Reply-To:
header to point to his mailbox.  With any luck that'll work.  (He only
posted this pup to news.admin and the old/gone rec.music.synth.)

-- 
Mark McKinzie          |    Listen, if they're going to buy lunch boxes,
mckinzie@math.wisc.edu | they might as well buy David Cassidy lunch boxes.
UW Dept. of Mathematics|
Madison, WI 53706      |                  -David Cassidy-
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
From: umrobe57@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Ken A. Roberge)
Subject: Suggestions
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: World
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:17:34 GMT

Hello all, I was wondering, I need some suggestions as to what I should do
to beef up my music power without it costing me horrendous amounts of
cash.  I do have a keyboard, be a fairly crappy one but I have one..I
believe it is a PSR-36 Yamaha (i'm not at home at the moment so I can't
check it..) It has MIDI in and out not thru, and I have an Amiga 2000 as
well..I was considering buying an interface, but the only place in town is
charging $96 for one..and I'd like to know if I'm going to use it a whole
lot before I buy it.  I'm looking to improve the range of my keyboard in
the sense of instrumental capability in order to get a better sound.  I
play with a couple friends and I can play the material, it's just that it
doesn't sound too hot with the crappy selection of instruments I have. 
Any sort of help would be extremely appreciated..

Thanks,
Ken

-- 
*--------------------------------------------------------------*
If you want me I'll be hiding somewhere on Wizards Island
In the middle of Crater Lake..
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From: moon!cyberden!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: RE:INTRODUCTION to new mus...  
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 09:17:15 PST

>Following a discussion held in Aug/Sep, and a vote held in Sep/Oct,
>five newsgroups, which are listed below along with their charters,
>have been created:
>
>rec.music.makers.guitar.
>
>rec.music.makers.bass.
>
>rec.music.makers.guitar.tablature.
>
>rec.music.makers.percussion.
>
>rec.music.makers.synth (was rec.music.synth)
>

Can we please make the names even longer and more annoying?

Just a thought...

rec.music.makers.assemblers.users.synths.with.keys.not.rackmounts.but.not.samplers

jesus...
From: rjt2@bnr.co.uk ()
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth
Subject: Notator Alpha MIDI File 0 problems
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:40:00 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, Essex, UK
Distribution: world
Reply-To: rjt2@bnr.co.uk ()
NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.3.128.59

Has anyone out there using the Notator Alpha sequencer tried loading standard
MIDI format 0 files? It seems to load them - no problem - all onto 1 track,
as expected for format 0; the problem being that only one MIDI channel can be
assigned per track. Although the channel information is not lost, notator uses
this for denoting 'voice' number which usually relates to position on the stave.

Is there any easy way to manipulate the data to split it into different tracks?

Even better.. does anyone have a generic format 1 to 0 converter?


Yours hopefully
(to put me out of the misery of reverting to the Henry Cosh Accompanist),

Richard Thomas
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth,rec.music.synth,comp.music
From: glennd@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Glenn Deardorff)
Subject: Re: Cubase/Windows dropped MIDI note/note-off problem
Keywords: cubase
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: inet
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:46:27 GMT

> My case:  25 MHz '386, 0K cache, Soundblaster 1.5, Windows 3.1 Standard mode,  
> Cubase's Soundblaster 1.5 Pro driver.   I lose occasional (every few minutes)  
> note-off messages and sometimes spurious notes are generated (i.e. a current  
> note input is screwed up, giving a different note which never gets a note-off  
> message).   This happens even when the sequencer is stopped, and all I'm doing  
> is playing my keyboard with local echo off, and Cubase's MIDI Thru
> active.   The garbled notes, or missed note-offs are actually recorded as well,  
> so it seems the MIDI data is getting trashed upon input.

This may not be your situation at all, but I thought I'd throw in my $.02.  Even though
I have an Atari, I had similar symptoms (spurious notes generated, even with the sequencer not playing).  I was scratching my head for awhile, before finally figuring out that I had
left the "MIDI Processor" on.  Assuming that this is included in the Windows version, this
little module processes the incoming notes that you're playing.  It doesn't seem to do anything the recorded notes in the sequence (from what I remember).  But I decided to experiment with it one day, and then left it on by accident.  From then on, every time I
decided to play notes on my controller, and Cubase was monitoring it, I would get the strangest "abitrary" notes generated, although it was a repeating pattern.  I had left the MIDI Processor delay or echo on.  Something to be aware of, if you've ever looked into the MIDI Processor.

- Glenn 
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