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From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:58:53 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.,  Cupertino, CA

In article <justin.02pf@hybris.UUCP> justin@hybris.UUCP (Justin Richards) 
writes:
> My Amiga500 is NOT by any means a professional tool, but it will run
> circles around the Q950 (my school has 3 of em, I am not impressed with 
> them at all..  Specially for the $6000+ they cost...)  I have a simple 14 
> Mhz accellerator in my A500, and running a mac emulator that I load off of a
> disk, I can fully emulate the mac, (except for a mac disk drive, but I 
> have a hardware hack file that expains how to hook one of those up..) faster
> than most of the macs can run their own software.

Well, unless your accelerator has at least a 68020, you're not running in 
color, so you can't fully emulate a Mac.  The bottom of the line Macs 
these days all have 16 MHz 68030s.  Most Macs have faster processors, so I 
doubt you're running Mac software faster than them.  How about some real 
numbers here instead of general claims?  A commonly used Mac benchmark 
program is Speedometer (or you can use the Mac benchmark of your choice).  
What numerical results do you get running this on a Mac emulator on your 
accelerated A500?

> Umm lets see here...  The Amiga is going to be 9 years old this comming
> year, and is already emulating IBM 486's at benchmarked 105 Mhz, they
> emulate the higher up macs FASTER than the real macs go, running all of
> their hardware....

I seriously doubt you can emulate all the features of a high end Mac (the 
Quadra 950, for instance) faster than that Mac itself.  I also doubt that 
you can run an emulation which provides all the hardware features of the 
high end machines (like 16 bit/pixel video on a megapixel display at a 75 Hz 
refresh rate using the built-in hardware; or 8-9 MB/sec. _sustained_ SCSI
transfer rates using the built-in hardware).  Again, let's see some 
numbers and facts here.  Please post the real numerical results do you 
get, and then we can compare them to what a Mac gets running the same 
software.

- Dale Adams
From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:10:18 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
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jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>:   Memory swapping has been in UNIX since the PDP/11.  BSD added demand pagin
>: SVR4 has a hybrid of both schemes to reduce page faults.
>:

>Are you sure?  What's "memory swapping"?  Remember that we're talking about
>VM, as in, virtual addressing (which gives you both demand paging and memory
>protection essentially for free).  BTW, my suspicion on this matter comes
>from the fact that the BSD kernel is called "vmunix" as opposed to SysV,
>which is just called "unix".  Also, someone sent me mail saying I was right,
>and that SysV didn't have VM until SVR2.

  "The Design of the UNIX Operating System", M.J. Bach, ISBN 0-13-201799-7,
Chapter 9, Memory Management.

  -jack-
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: UChess Tested on Mercury PP&S 040 board
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:33:38 GMT

In article <1iv8u5INNs78@phakt.usc.edu> dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
>In article skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>
>>BTW, UChess didn't impress me at all.  The graphics are okay, but it
>>is not much fun to play.
>
>Ya, losing isn't much fun, is it?? :)  

No, it is too easy.  :-)

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From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:43:54 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1993Jan9.092813.19973@pbs.org> jruppenthal@pbs.org (Mister Rogers) writes:
>In article <C0GuqI.LL8@starnine.com>, mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>> But when they do so, they do not turn to Macs because those systems,
>> comparatively are:
>> 
>> - slow
>> - inflexible
>> - restrictive
>> - needlessly complicated
>> - unreliable
>> 
>The Mac is a stable, mature platform that

The Mac has never been stable in any sense.  It has gone through constant
revision and attempts to fix the flaws caused by the inadequate engineering
inits innards.

It had a heirarcheial file system added as an afterthought (get this...
they sweated bullets getting the original mac to LOOK like it had
a heirarchial file system.  They could drag files into
folders, etc.  But in a file requester... EVERY FILE on the disk
would show up cause it was really jusyt a stupid flat system).

Later, they realized their mistake (oops!) and put in HFS... what short-
sightedness!

It went from a closed system to an open system. Total philosopy change
cause they didn't know what they were doing.

Stable?  The thing crashes more than the crash dummies!  I've SEEN the
code in there and it's got a "few rough edges".

I've seen appletalk interfere with ethernet, causing the whole
machine to hang.  (I had to add a timer and CANCEl my ethernet I/O request
and do it again to work around the buggy network interface driver
system).

I've always bveen amazed at the slowness and complicatedness of the
single-threaded system.  Geez, it's a good thing that apple didn't try to add
a fully preemtive scheduling exec!!!  Just imagine what THAT would have
been like.

You have 300 macs, eh?  Ever notice how, if one mac is talking to another
over the network, that when one crashes, they both do?  Solid.


>is as easy to use as anything out there, but which can also be as challenging
>as anything on the Amiga.

It is rather challenging to try to find out which INITs are
not compatible and causing your machine to crash at reboot.

It IS rather challenging trying to figure out why I can't launch
an application that "...requires 870K and only 871K is available".
(I really did get that one!)

It IS challanging getting that toy to act like a real computer.



>"Needlessly (sic) complicated"? I think not. We have
>over 300 Macs networked together with AppleTalk and Ethernet, and we rarely
>experience any problems. Transferring data from one machine to the next is as
>it should be - effortless and easy. 
>Know that of which you speak...

I've worked every day with macs for 7 years.  I've done drivers,
networking, e-mail, applications, etc.

I know of what I speak.  Technically, the machine is a joke and a half.
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 02:55:20 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>Nope, you get a 120MB hard drive and 6 MB of RAM.. no CD-ROM. Then again, you
'>get the Zorro III bus. I don't see Gateway advertising EISA machines for
'>$2800.

	No, but I bet they could if they changed there EISA configuration.
   The 66/486 EISA model comes with a 500meg 11ms SCSI HD.  If they offered
   an EISA 33/486 with 200meg SCSI HD, I bet the price would drop quite a bit
   from the 66/486's $3795.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>Francis
From: L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Jim Dionne mentioned in MicroTimes
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 12:22:19 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) write:
>Who is this person?
 
	The president of Commodore Business Machines, USA.  
 
Regards,
 
--Louis
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Date: 5 Jan 1993 05:30:13 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <894@wavefront.wti.com> corban@wavefront.wti.com (Corban Gossett) writes:
>I really doubt that they can compete with the likes of the later two.
>Journeyman can't render worth squat, and Caligari has a long way to go also.
>Nice try though!

Rendering quality, perhaps not.  Caligari Professional's interface is
top notch, though.  Ever used it?

Wavefront.  Now why does that name sound familiar.

:)

Greg


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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Byte's Amiga 4000 review...
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:22:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.152940.10325@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                  ^^^^^

>:
>: 	I have the book "OS/2 - How We Made History", and on page 32 it says,
>: and I quote myself when I say, 
>:
>
>Who wrote this?

	Read above. You must be new at using your newsreader. Basically
whenever someone writes a message, there name can be found at the top of the
article next to the From: header.

>: 	"After lots of planning, we decided that OS/2 needed a good solid
>: base to develop on, so we decided to copy everything that we thought was
>: good about the AmigaOS, and then we had the skeleton for OS/2. We then
>: multiplied the overhead and size of the executables by 10x to prove that it
>: was meant to run on IBM clones."
>: 	
>
>Are you seriously trying to submit this clearly sarcastic and fanatical
>statement as proof of your claim?

	Yes. And I quote myself when I say "yes".

>:
>: 	He said 'comparable', not 'fast or powerful'. Actually, it is anyway,
>: so your point is moot. AGA moves sprites an infinite time faster than SVGA.
>: Animation is also faster, and special screen handling is much better.
>:
>
>But the resolution is lower, and in the high resolution modes, it's quite

	The max AGA resolution is 1280 x 512 plus overscan. It is not
that much lower than SVGA, and supports 262,144 colors from a 25 bit 
palette. Does SVGA? Probably not...probably only 256 colors of a 24 bit
palette.

>slow.  Local bus SVGA blows it away for GUI use.  When there's a need for
>things like CPUBlit, there's got to be something wrong with the hardware.

	CPUBlit only speeds up some display modes, such as text display.

>: Plus AGA is a standard, and SVGA is not. 

>Uh-huh.  Commodore already has three such "standards", right?

	Boy you sure are stupid. There was once OCS. Then ECS. Now AGA.
All are designed around the same software. You can't stop improvements
in technology, but you can set standards.

	There was also CGA, EGA, MCGA, MEGA, VGA, SVGA, XGA,  etc, of 
which one SVGA is not necessarily compatible with another SVGA, which
makes it non-standard, just as 16.8k modems are non-standard.

>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |



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From: rodmar@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Rodney L Martin)
Subject: A4000 Dealer Prices
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:42:37 GMT


I am in the market for an A4000.  I have heard (unofficially) of a dealer that
was offering an A4000 + monitor (1960?) for $2499.  If any one is aware of this
or another dealer, PLEASE EMAIL me the name, address and phone # of them!

Thanks!


Rod Martin
rodmar@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
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Subject: Re: HELP--AMIGA OR IBM PC CLONE?
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Date: 10 Jan 93 13:48:39 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
 <1993Jan10.112010.11073@athena.mit.edu>,<C0nIsp.H9K@news.iastate.edu>
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <C0nIsp.H9K@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.112010.11073@athena.mit.edu> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan10.043322.7254@src4src.linet.org> scottw@src4src.linet.org (Scott Weintraub) writes:
>>>WB 3.0.  Gateway then enables you to choose from a small assortment of   
>>>software.  I choose Paradox 4.0 (considered the best piece of database
>>>software) and Borland C++ 3.1 (considered by many the best C compiler).
>>>Gateway's cache is small.  It's only 64k but for a mere $45 you can jack that
>>
>>Ok, but the A4000 comes with one or two software packages itself. I forget what
>>they are, but you fail to mention them for some reason.
>
>   You conveniently forgot what they are.  They are Final Copy and ADPro.  Both
>are garbage, and can't even begin to compare with Word for Windows or a 
>Windows image-processing program.  (I say that ADPro is garbage because it is
>a totally hands-off image processing program.  Almost everything is done 
>completely blind, so that you cannot see what you are doing.  And it has no
>image editing and painting features.  This is more escusable for a program
>running on an older Amiga, but for a program for an AGA Amiga it is garbage)
>

And you conveniently remembered INCORRECTLY....it's ADPro and DPaintIV
AGA...and I think even you marc can agree that Dpaint is a GOOD program.


(prediction: nah, it's garbage too)
>>
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>"No, I just think that a computer grafted on top of another computer
>is a kludge.  It has nothing to do with the AGA chipset." -- me


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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:01:27 GMT
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Andy Finkel (andy@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
:
: Ads are usually written by the marketing department.  Are you
: telling us that's where you turn to for definitive answers on
: technical matters ... a Marketing Department ????
:

False advertising is illegal, you know :-)

Seriously, my 3.1 box and diskettes, say "Operating System".  I bought
the Microsoft product; maybe you're looking at some OEM version?  I do
remember, though, that 3.0 and before were labeled "Environment".

: >
: >I just told you.  The information I posted was based on what I read in
: >several publications.  They all described it as a driver which causes 
: >Windows to go directly to the hardware for disk access, bypassing DOS/BIOS.
:
: No, you didn't tell me.  Cite your sources, please.
:

When 3.1 was released, the magazine pages were filled with info on it.
I don't remember which magazines I read.

:
: (In poker terms, "I call.")
:

I'm still not sure what you're trying to prove.

:
: Now, let's assume you do cite sources.  Are you then saying
: that, because you read that the FastDisk driver hits the hardware
: directly, you then assumed that _naturally_ it _must_ be the
: way that Windows always talks to the disk ?
:

One of the things I read was that the FastDisk<->Windows interface has
been made public by Microsoft, so that manufacturers of fancy disk
controllers can write their own enhanced-performance disk drivers which
bypass DOS and BIOS.  I assumed that FastDisk was a complete implementation
of such a driver, for standard IDE and MFM hardware.

: andy finkel		andy@cbmvax.commodore.com
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Amiga and Macintosh Printing
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:07:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.153125.3356@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <C0IysA.KHH@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>   HA!  The Amiga's print system has to be the most INflexible printing systems
>>around.  If it is so flexible, why hasn't something like Adobe Type Manager
>>ever been written for the Amiga?  I really don't think something like Adobe
>>Type Manager would  even be possible on the Amiga, because there is nothing in
>>the printing system for such a utility to wedge itself to.
>
>Think again. There is no _need_ for a utility to wedge to. ATM is fairly
>new to the Macintosh, before that you could only use Postscript printers
>(or use the lousy excuse for quality on the Imagewriter). Since an application
>just specifies a font name one has to intercept operating system calls
>to get good results on 'dumb' printers.

   ATM has been around for several years.  Longer than 2.0 or the A3000 have
been around, at least.

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From: vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyanath K Rao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:14:45 -0500
Organization: Me? Organized?
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <1i896tINN224@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>The Amiga is extremely elegant in most places.  Some places that
>aren't?  There's still BCPL visible.  Not everything is documented as
>nicely as it should be.  :)  Anyways, dos.library and filesystem stuff
>is probably the last remnants of BCPL left in the Amiga, and they're
>working toward ridding that.

The big hole in AmigaDOS 1.x (I have stopped programming, so haven't kept up
on later versions), IMHO, is not that it used BCPL, but that it did not layer
properly: There should have been an cli.library layered on top of dos.library.
Instead, cli and using CreateProc were set up on the same level. I don't see
how this can be fixed that easily while keeping compatibility. [One could have
set up two special fields in the process control block for use by the launcher
to hide special information. Instead, the special fields have public meaning
that make cli special. Also, cli can put start-up and end codes around loaded
programs. This is of course fixed now.]

Second lack of layering is in the use of messages: All messages have a
field (the name field) that is not used by the system. Upper layers simply
extend the message structure. For some reason, DOS doesn't. It grabbed the
name field for itself, and left no field for the user. [With a field
available to identify a message, the same message port can be used to deal
with all asynchronous file i/o, for example. Now one must open a seperate
port for each asynchronous DOS i/o device (not exec device), and either
run out of signal bits, or poll the ports. (I know how one can get around
this, sacrifing some safety, but it smacks of jerry-rigging.)]
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From: dmkasten@redorc.chi.il.us (Bowie Poag)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM makes dealers look like liers
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:48:23 CST
Organization: Red Oracle Bbs/Network

>
>Hmmm ... this kinda sounds like the stuff that Atari might do.  At least 
>CBM *released* their A1200 & A600.  We, as Atarians, are still waiting 
>for their Falcon machine here in North America.  People have reported on 
>comp.sys.atari.st that they have Falcon machines in the UK and Germany.  
>Just call me a very disgruntled Atari user.  (I guess it's just about 
>time to buy that 486!  (NOT!))
>
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Wow.. im surprised Atari has money to even SHIP their machines.. The only thing
I expect out of Atari nowadays is a scream of "HELLPPP!" as it makes its last
orbit around the computer industry's toilet bowl.



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From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Deleting Directories Re: VistaPro & clones
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:59:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.011551.18690@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.224102.2314@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>
>>Good grief, you people really though Windows users were SO depraved that they
>>bought a directory-deleter for a hundred bucks! Gimme a break!  
>
>Why not?  They'll buy a screen saver for a hundred bucks, after all...   :-)

Golly, people actually manage to sell screensavers for $100?  Whew, I need
to take up a new line of work.... 8)
>>Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu 
>David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au)
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