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From: 3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Elliott Parker  , by way of
 gustilo@pop-server.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: PH: Kidnapping crackdown (forwarded from SEASIA-L)
Date: 2 Oct 1992 09:47:25 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:32:20 EDT
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From:         cnd-editor@sdsc.edu
Subject:      CND-Global, October 2, 1992

              * * *  C h i n a   N e w s   D i g e s t  * * *

                              (News Global)

                        Friday, October 2, 1992

5. The Philippines Announces Crackdown on Wave of Kidnappings ...........33
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From: Liu Jian
Source: DJ, 9/30/92

MANILA - Fourteen people, including four immigration agents, have been
arrested for kidnapping.

The military chief Wednesday announced the stepped up campaign to battle a
wave of ransom abductions.

The alleged ringleader claimed his operation was supported by "high-ranking
police and military officials," including a police general, said Gen.
Lisandro Abadia.

Abadia said the 14 were involved in car thefts, murder and kidnapping,
including the abduction of two Americans who were released after paying
ransoms.

He identified the Americans as John Keegan and Greg Stilwell, but didn't
say where they were from. The U.S.  Embassy said it was unaware of such
kidnappings.

The arrests follow a wave of kidnappings and other crimes, which many
Filipinos believe have been committed by corrupt police and soldiers.

President Fidel Ramos, elected in May, has asked Congress to restore the
death penalty for kidnapping and other serious crimes.

Vice President Joseph Estrada, chairman of the Presidential Anti-Crime
Commission, said up to 100 people, mostly Filipinos of Chinese origin,
have been kidnapped in the past 2 months.

Estrada said wealthy Filipino-Chinese were victimized because they
usually refused to cooperate in police investigations for fear of
reprisals.

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From: salas@math.orst.edu (Gerry Salas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Pinoy Jokes naman d'yan!
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:22:35 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University Math Department



Wala gang Pinoy Jokes?  Nakakalungkot eh.  Tag-ulan na dine sa amin.


S'ya sige mga kabayan,

Gerry Salas
Math Dept. 
Oregon State University, Corvallis
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Angeles City - Clark Air Base
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:34:00 GMT

In article <Oct02.221524.69480@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitch writes...
>Is there anybody out there who spent time at Clark recently.?  Any wild stories you want to tell me?
>Now that the base is closed , where will all the little "honeycoes" go?
> 
>E-mail:  mk568652@longs.lance.colostate.edu

I was in the vicinity of Clark for a couple of days about two year ago,
before pinatubu of course.  It was full of the most obnoxious American
louts I have seen outside of Pattaya in Thailand, exploiting the locals,
treating the country as if it were their own, giving the Filipinos no
credit for having a culture of their own, and generally being American.

I guess from your comment about "little honeycoes" you were one of these.

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: rpanis@novell.com (Robert Panis)
Subject: In Search of......
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:18:27 GMT


A friend of mine asked me to post this.

He is looking for a software engineer with expertise in the FF:
(a)Hardware... HP - machines.
(b)Software... Programming experience in Fortran, especially ASK Manman
               Application.

So if you are interested and you are around the S.F. Bay ARea, email me....
I will tell you how to get a hold of him - through 800 number.


#include std.disclaimer
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: World Series Smoking Gun?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.180800.29623@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, tanchoco@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Joe Tanc writes...
>105@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>>>>It just goes to show that there
>>>>are good and bad in all cultures.  This incident just happened to
>>>>get publicized a little more.  
>>>>--Keith
>>> 
>tanchoco@mars.ecn.purdue.edu (J Tanchoco) writes...
>>>   I'm glad to see you point this out.  I would also like to
>>>   add that there are people who make prejudicial comments
>>>   based on this kind of publicity.
>>
>godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>>but I have to say in all honesty that I have never encountered
>>such high densities of dishonesty and agressive crookedness as when I have
>>visited the Philippines.  I say that from the perspective of one who has
>>visited and lived in many countries, and travelled a great deal in Asia.
>>
>   Your statement above is the kind of generalization that often
>   leads to stereotyping.  I would suggest that you be more concrete
>   on this claim.  But if your experience is similar to mine, my
>   casual encounters with the local people and what my close friends
>   from the country tell me can be two different things.  
>   
>   What I find interesting is the inclination of some Filipinos to be 
>   more critical of fellow Filipinos.  If there is any kind of 
>   generalization that I am willing to accept, it is that we have 
>   an affinity to washing our dirty linen in public.  Just look
>   at what happened to the LLWS incident.  The discussion quickly
>   deteriorated to questions on the ethical and moral standards
>   of Filipinos.  Perhaps our worst enemy is us.

Sure.  Every taxi driver, every person in the vicinity of Ermita, most
lower priced stores, every time I bought cigarettes, every foreign exchange
dealer except the banks, most small hotels, every policeman I.  Manila is
without doubt the most threatening city I have ever visited, and the most
unpleasant for tourists.  ALmost everyone wants your money (and I don't
have much of it) and many give the impression that they would do anything
to get it.  Unlike the rest of Asia, the Filipinos have lost sight of the
idea that in order to get the tourists' money you've got to let them have
a good time, they want the money and be damned with the good time.

Laurence
From: ador@mullara.met.unimelb.edu.au (Amador Argete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Any Ateneans
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:13:52 GMT
Organization: Meteorology, University of Melbourne

>mrd55864@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Servant of Christ):

>Hi, ang pangalan ko ay Michael DeGuzman. Pumunta ako sa Us noong
>December 1983.  Sa pilipibnas, nag attend ako sa Ateneo.  Hangang
>4th grade lang ang na acomplishe ko.  Kung sinoba diyan ay nang galing
>sa ateneo puede ba sulatan mo ako.  Ang E-mail ko ay
>gooseman@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu or mrd55864@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu.
>Salamat po.  Gusto ko lang malaman kung ano na ngya nagn
>nangyari sa manga l kaklase ko.  thanks

Grade IV?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Subject: Re: Jim Kirk, Clark + Explanation 
Reply-To: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 13:20:31 GMT


Jim,

     I wouldn't normally respond on the net, but I have no e-mail address.

     Yes, I too find it offensive that as Americans we exploited the Filipinos.
With all respect to Mitch, I find the post offensive.  I did find that in the
P.I. the people were leading a simple, family centered life and there seemed 
to be this mystique about America that I couldn't understand.  I had lunch with
Joel (who appears on the net) and we discussed the difference in the two societies
and I, quite frankly, would love to return to the P.I. and leave the stress and 
frantic pace behind.  Now if I can only convert my wife as she's never been 
there.....


Regards,

Dave
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: rgdelav@pbhye.PacBell.COM (Butch DeLaVega)
Subject: Re: Filipino Jazz
Reply-To: rgdelav@PacBell.COM (Butch DeLaVega)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:05:56 GMT


Oops! Sorry about the previous post, it should have read Saturday, Oct. 3.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: u9211306@cc.uow.edu.au (Elpidio S Jabonete Jr)
Subject: soc.culture.filipino.LAURENCE_GODFREY
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 22:57:14 GMT


	I think it's time to have a separate newsgroup for this guy.
  He's too voluminous for this group.

	Flames welcome.

	Pissed off by non-sense discussions ,

	Jun
From: mk568652@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Honeycoe, CLARK, + explanation
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:48:14 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


Let me get something straight here.


I don't mean offense to Filipinos or their country, I think it's a great place,the scenery, etc.
But I can't see it as a "exploitation" of people. I read somewhere that the base pours in
one million dollars DAILY into the economy at Angeles, not to mention Subic.  Yes, we
servicemen "serviced" the local women but anyone,  whether American , British, or Autralian,
would indulge in the same way (just try to avoid , it 's not easy)
.  They need our money to survive, whether they sell pottery, art, clothing, or
women.  Yes , it's bad but it wasn't our idea to build nightclubs and having dancing girls.  Maybe it's
a vicous cycle. Now that's it's over, thousands will be unemployed, both on and off base.
	
I agree that many Americans stationed in the P.I. have gone totally nuts, like a child in a toy store
with endless amounts of money.   I hated those types there and I hate the ones who think that way
and live in this country.  But I'm not feeling guilty for having a good time at Clark or Subic.  I can't
help the fact that there were beautiful women chasing me for a change and that everything was
dirt cheap.  I loved and still love the P.I. , with or without bargirls,  yet hopefully with out communism
in the near future.

Maybe I shouldn't have posted my previous article in this newgroup, I'm sorry.  But to all you 
young Filipino/Americans out there, I think you should know that these things exist, at least up until
November.

P.S. - honeycoe or honey ko is bargirl slang for honey or dear I guess
              billy boys are the transvestites running around Angeles.

I am sorry but this is a fact of life.: 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: This is Great!
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 22:19:44 GMT

Wow!  I just discovered this news group.  I just have to post and say how
great it feels to hear<read> from all of you.

Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet

<I speak only for myself and not my employer.>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: RMNL69@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Les Aquino)
Subject: Re: Posting from Manila (was Re: PH: NEW HANDS ON THE HELM)
Organization: Motorola
Date: 29 Sep 1992 08:53:52 HKT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In article <1992Sep26.022351.18421@schbbs.mot.com>,
RMNL69@paccvm.corp.mot.com (Les Aquino) wrote:

-- stuff deleted

> LES - Posting from MANILA
                     ^^^^^^

for real???????????????. There is an actual site that can post from the
Philippines to USENET!!!

Do you also have full INTERNET Access?

This is a most welcome development.

Standard Disclaimer:
  I am not responsible for comments that I make after 3:00 AM or after five
cups of coffee, whichever comes first.
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Yes, for real!  Ok, I'm REALLY posting from Paranaque -but that is still
Metro Manila :).
So surprised ?  Is this the first posting from the Philippines ?

Raoul, thanx for replying my test email to your account.  There are
others who emailed me - I'll try to reply now that I know it works.

LES - Posting from MANILA
From: grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Filipino Jazz
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:18:02 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

Is she a jazz artist?

George

In article <1992Oct1.010318.10839@pbhye.PacBell.COM> rgdelav@PacBell.COM (Butch DeLaVega) writes:
>By the way, I'm not sure whether this has been posted before, Lea Salonga
>is going to have a concert on Saturday, Oct. 2 at the San Francisco Civic
>Auditorium at about 7:45 pm.  Has anybody seen her act at other cities?
>How is it?  I believe she is also performing in LA the week after, I just
>don't know the exact details. 
>
>Butch Delavega
From:  ( )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Bombs Explode in Zamboanga
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:38:15 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino


	ZAMBOANGA, Philippines (UPI) -- Suspected Muslim terrorists exploded a
grenade near a crowded public market in the southern Philippines Friday,
killing at least four people and wounding 17 others, authorities said.
	The incident, which came as the Roman Catholic majority of Zamboanga
was preparing to celebrate a religious feast, brought to 14 the number
of people in the area killed by suspected Muslim radicals so far this
year.
	Police said two people were killed on the spot when the grenade,
lobbed by one of two suspects at a jeep near the city's public market,
exploded late Friday morning. Two others died in the nearby Zamboanga
Medical Center.
	Zamboanga police chief Lt. Col. Vicente Dumpit said a policeman saw
one of the suspects throw the grenade while another armed with a .45
caliber pistol stood as a lookout.
	The policeman, who was among those injured, said he fired a warning
shot but the suspects were able to escape and got lost in the crowd.
	Dumpit said he had placed his troops on red alert -- the maximum state
of preparedness -- to guard against attacks during the celebration of the
Oct. 12 feast of the Lady of Pilar, a local Catholic holiday.
	He said earlier he suspected a Muslim fundamentalist group was
responsible for increasing violence in the city, 520 miles south of
Manila.
	Police in the city arrested Tuesday a Muslim religion student for
allegedly taking part in the killing of a Protestant radio evangelist
and two others Sept. 21.
	They said Abdi Basid Jikiri, 22, acted as a lookout while two
accomplices shot dead the Rev. Gregorio Hapalla, a technician and a
third person inside a booth at the Zamboanga radio station DXAS.
	The two other suspects, allegedly students trained by a terrorist
group in the city, reportedly fled to a Muslim stronghold farther south.
	The group that killed Hapalla is also suspected of killing an Italian
missionary, the Rev. Salvatore Carzedda, who had been criticized by some
Muslims for trying to convert them.
	Muslim radicals were also believed to be behind the bombing of a
Catholic shrine Aug. 23. Six people were killed in the blast.
From: jke2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joselito K. Estrada)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Filipino Jazz
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:32:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: Ra.jke2.718054360
Organization: Mississippi State University

cadizht@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Horacio Cadiz) writes:



>  Does anyone know when her concert in Blacksburg is?  Does anyone know where
>Blacksburg is?  Does anyone care to know? Oh well...   B-)

How about Starkville? If she goes to Blacksburg, she should find some time to   perform in Starville (Filipino student population of 3).

--
Jojo Estrada
Department of Agricultural Economics
Mississippi State University
jke2@Ra.MsState.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: jskirk01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Angeles City - Clark Air Base
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:56:47 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <3OCT199213340313@sscvx1.ssc.gov>, godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE 
GODFREY) writes:
> It was full of the most obnoxious American
> louts I have seen outside of Pattaya in Thailand, exploiting the locals,
> treating the country as if it were their own, giving the Filipinos no
> credit for having a culture of their own, and generally being American.
> 
> Laurence
> 

Eh, sumusunod yata sila sa yapak ng dati nilang colonial masters -- ang mga
British.  :-)
            			Jim Kirk
From:  ( )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Ramos Welcomes Human Rights Suits
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:53:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- President Fidel Ramos defended Saturday
his role during the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos' martial law regime
and said he welcomed suits against him for alleged human rights
violations.
	Ramos, who was chief of the Philippine Constabulary when Marcos
declared martial law in 1972, said he was satisfied with a U.S. court
decision Thursday finding the late president guilty of systematic
torture and other atrocities and making his estate liable for damages.
	But Ramos acknowledged that some of the victims have indicated they
intend to sue him for his role as a top police officer during one of the
darkest chapters in the country's history.
	Human rights activists and victims said Saturday the military and
police officers responsible for the torture, rape, summary executions
and forced disappearances should also be charged and punished.
	Asked in a news conference if charges would be filed against Ramos,
prominent human rights lawyer Romeo Capulong said, ``that will be the
subject of further discussion.''
	Ramos told a news conference at the presidential palace that, 
``During my time as chief of the Philippine Constabulary, I exerted
every effort to...make martial law more compassionate.
	``But if there are some that would like to bring suit against myself,
and there are some others, I wish them luck,'' he said.
	``But I'm happy for our countrymen who really suffered directly who
now have been vindicated.''
	Ramos, a West Point-trained general, turned against Marcos in 1986
and co-led the popular civilian-military uprising that drove the
dictator to exile in the United States. But his role during martial law
has always haunted his career.
	The lawsuit against the Marcos estate was filed in Honolulu on behalf
of some 10,000 victims during martial law. Marcos died in 1989 in
Hawaii.
	Victims and human rights advocates hailed the judgment as a victory
for civil rights and a warning to other dictators.
	The verdict, however, did not address demand for damages of $2
million for each torture victim and $3 million for each of those who
were murdered or disappeared.
	A separate trial os needed to determine the amounts.
	Hilda Narciso, a Roman Catholic nun who was repeatedly gang-raped in
a military detention camp, said the verdict should encourage the victims
to file charges against the people involved.
	``I'm just happy that our demand for justice has, in one point, been
recognized, although this is not enough because many died, many were
tortured and many are still missing up to this day,'' she said Saturday.
	``What happened, happened, and your body will forever bear what
happened to you,'' she said. ``But unless the very people responsible
for the atrocities that we underwent remain unpunished, then justice on
us will never be complete.''
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Subject: Re: Clark AFB and Joel
Reply-To: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 14:56:57 GMT


Joel,

     Sounds cool dude.  Remember man, Repulika ng Pilipinas.....


Mitchell,

     I would refrain from using the term 'honeycoes'.  I assume it's a 
derviation of 'pareko'.  Having spent 10 years at Clark and growing 
up in Angeles City (specifically Diamond Subdivision near Marlim Mansions),
I too wonder what has happened to the people in Angeles City.  I've still got
some very close friends that I haven't heard what happened to them after 
Mt. Pinatubo went up.  I can only pray that they are safe....


Regards,

Dave
From: aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Little League: Possibility of How to get EVEN!
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:12:48 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <92267.131412U25720@uicvm.uic.edu>, Carlo A. Arcilla <U25720@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

|> However, for those SCF'ers in the west coast, there may yet be another
|> way we can get even. Why don't we research the provenance of the Long
|> Beach boys ourselves? If *someone* can find out the names and addresses
|> of the players, and the time of residence, at least we can rest assured
|> that even if our pinoy little leaguers got disqualified, we also make
|> sure that the Long Beach kids are not guilty of the same crime! I wonder
|> if any self-respecting Long Beach journalist would be willing to do this
|> -- anyway, I think it is something that scf people in the area can do.

No, it's not something we can do.  C'mon, enough is enough.  This is water
under the bridge!  Let's just let this cool down with some dignity on our
side.

-- 
        ~
Aimee Manosa		aimee@wpd.sgi.com		Opinions are mine.
			Silicon Graphics, Inc
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: rgdelav@pbhye.PacBell.COM (Butch DeLaVega)
Subject: Re: Filipino Jazz
Reply-To: rgdelav@PacBell.COM (Butch DeLaVega)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:03:18 GMT

By the way, I'm not sure whether this has been posted before, Lea Salonga
is going to have a concert on Saturday, Oct. 2 at the San Francisco Civic
Auditorium at about 7:45 pm.  Has anybody seen her act at other cities?
How is it?  I believe she is also performing in LA the week after, I just
don't know the exact details. 

Butch Delavega
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: rbl413@huxley.anu.edu.au (Romeo B Lee)
Subject: Just a comment...
Originator: rbl413@huxley
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 02:08:59 GMT


I agree with Lawrance that some Filipinos would do everything
for money.  There is nothing wrong with that; as already 
pointed out, people want to survive.  However, there should
be no big fuss about Lawrance's observation of a rampant
dishonesty and crookedness in Metro Manila.  Manila is a 
big city and just like any other capital cities in the
world, you find crooks.  

Perhaps Lawrance had an unpleasant experience when he 
was in Manila because of the places he went to and maybe
the type of Filipinos he associated with.  Of course if
the guy mingled with Filipinos of unquestionable 
background, he would have found an entirely different
picture.  Ermita is a haven for crooks and it is likely
that people (including tourists) who go there would
encounter bad characters.  

I have had a number of foreign friends in Manila who
really had a good time during their stay.  It should not
worry us at all if some tourists express a disappointment
since there are also other foreigners who give the thumbs
up for our country.

In discussing matters such as this, I guess it is
better if discussion were not coloured by emotions.


Romeo