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From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: Bowed tendon, sniff
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:38:49 GMT
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"Bowed tendon" is a general term.  There are bows of the deep flexor
tendon, and bows of the superficial flexor tendon.  A "bow" is essentially
a torn tendon.  It happens when the joints/tendons hyperextend and
the check ligaments (like emergency brakes) catch the tendon to prevent
it from going further.  When it keeps going anyway, you get a tear.
The tear can be minor, or very major.  Hyperextension can occur for
a variety of reasons--the muscle at the end of the tendon (way up in
the forearm in the case of the deep flexor) wasn't strong enough;
the horse was fatigued; or he landed in a hole; or just put a foot
wrong for whatever reason.

I read somewhere that some vets were
recommending desotomy of the inferior check ligament to treat deep
bows (essentially cutting the emergency brake so that it doesn't
re-tear the tendon).  This is pretty extreme treatment.

If he were my vet, I'd want A LOT more detail in his description of
the bow.  I can see where a horse could perform soundly after a bow.
People recover from torn tendons all the time.

Morgans often (as do thoroughbreds) have various degrees of club-footedness
and contracted tendons.  Often, you can't even see it from the outside.
It takes an X-ray to demonstrate the wrong angle of the coffin bone.  Such
a horse will be more prone to bow.

Linda Merims
Advanced Visual Systems
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:04:22 GMT
Subject: FAQ-BUYING
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
From: eroth@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (elizabeth.s.roth)
Subject: Re: Horse GIF images
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:24:01 GMT


Would the person who posted about enjoying the GIF images on their
Sun machine (or anyone else with a Sun) e-mail me (a novice Internet/Sun
user) on how to do this?

Thx in advance.



Susan

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From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Subject: Horse names from Jodie Gilmore
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:31:59 GMT



Subject: Name for grey horse





I thought of these:

        Shadow of a Doubt
        London Grey
        Silver Mutiny

Good luck, and let us know what the final decision is!
--
Jodie Gilmore
sasjmg@unx.sas.com

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From: judy@valinor.mythical.com (Judy Labovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Fair Hill tickets
Keywords: tickets, Fair Hill
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 22:56:13 CDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

Got a quick question ... Has anybody, espicially those that know they are
on the mailing list, received their order forms for tickets to the Fair
Hill CCI yet?  I haven't yet and it seems like it is getting a little
late.  If anybody has, please e-mail me the address or phone number of the
organizing committee.  USAir frequent flyer miles are flying me from FL
back to the Philadelphia area that weekend (what a coincidence!!) and I
need to get some member tickets.  I'm going with my mom and she is a great
fan of member tickets as opposed to general admission tickets, having
experienced both kinds at both Chesterland and Kentucky.

Thanks,
    Judy

If anybody else is going, speak up - I've never been to Fair Hill.  They
moved Chesterland to there the year after I moved out of the area, so
this will be a new experience.

        
   Judith A Labovitz               judy@valinor.mythical.com
                                   uunet!valinor!judy
            I bark, therefore I am.    ---- Rene Descarte's dog.        
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From: xxmills@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Christine Mills)
Subject: Re: need help with stubborn horse
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:01:18 GMT

>>carrying himself at the canter, he likes me to hold him up with the
>>reins. He's getting much better about that, since I now refuse to hold
>>him up!  Does anyone have more advice about getting these two horses
>>(the 3 and the 10 year old) to balance back at the halt?  I've tried
>>backing a few steps after a halt, and that seems to be helping a bit.
>>He's not a stubborn horse as far as I can tell after riding him 4
>>times.  Just uneducated.

We did the same thing with my horse.  The mare I currently own decided at a 
young age she was a racing Quarter Horse.  She hated to stop.  My instructor,
and her trainer, halted her, then backed her up a couple of steps.  He also
did what someone else suggested.  When she was only three, and he was trying
to solve this "what do you mean I can't run flat out all the time?!", he would
bring her down throught the gaites (or is that gaits?).  He let her come down
to a trot, then a halt.  He did that for a couple of months until she got the
idea of using her back end to help balance her, rather than falling on the
forehand, which makes a horse hard to stop.  Then he started asking for a
halt from the canter, using the backing up.  She tended to lean on the bit,
not because she was using the trainer to balance, but to try to get the reins
from him so she could keep running.  He used a combination of suddenly 
releasing the reins and letting her stumble, and punishment.  One punishment
was to kick her when she leaned, startling her into dropping back on her hind
quarters, and getting off the bit.  It seemed like it took forever, and for
quite awhile, I didn't ride her unless my instructor was around, but she
finally accepted she had slower speeds than flat out gallop, and is now poetry
in motion when she stops.  Once in awhile, she needs to be reminded not to 
lean on the bit, though now I can do it.

This is how the problem was solved with my horse, and is not the "only"  way
to do it.  I just offered this as another option in the multitude of options
being offered.  One thing about this group, we never lack for advise.  

Christine Mills
From: mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse GIF images
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:19:33 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

cool pictures.

I especially like the one of the group of horses.

Melanie
   and Quest
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From: cgreen@sersun1.essex.ac.uk (Green ISBD C)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Why post with outside foreleg?
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:15:06 GMT

From article <180kq9INNjiv@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>, by regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard):
> In article <1992Aug31.212631.28207@u.washington.edu> jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
> As I've heard it explained, it means you are sitting when the inside hind
> leg is under the horse, supporting the horse, which balances the horse 
> better on corners.
> 
> Of course, I've also been told that the Brits post on the other diagonal....
> 
Oh no we don't!  Admittedly it tends to be taught the other way around,
i.e. sit when the outside front leg/shoulder is on the ground/moving
back - but that's exactly the same as you do.

I have this feeling (but I can't remember what we did when I was there)
that it may be the other way in mainland Europe.  Maybe this is just the
classic urban folk/funny foreigners story for horsey people!

Chris Green
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: melnick@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Saddle question: Crosby Lexington 
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:53:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.213340.11415@cascade.Stanford.EDU>, king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
> 	Hi again,
> 
> 	I have questions about saddles, specific and general.
>
> 	There's a beautiful Crosby Lexington on sale at the tack shop
> 	($875 US- is that reasonable?) ........


A dressage saddle should be used only for dressage, IMHO.  The long skirts
and the deep seat of the saddle would be a hindrance for trail rides (at least
the kind I do!) and for jumping.

All-purpose saddles are fine.  A hunter saddle is cut more forward and has
shorter skirts, and often has full knee rolls to support jumping.  I personally
don't care for full knee rolls, but it is a matter of what you get used to.

I have a great Crosby Equilibrium saddle, which has a minimal knee roll, and
a fairly deep seat.  It is also a rather wide seat, and pretty deep, for a
close contact saddle.  These features make it incredibly comfortable, and 
secure, for all the riding I do, from lessons to active trail rides to hunting.

If you find a saddle that fits you great when you try it at the tack shop,
they should allow you to take it on loan and try it on your horse.  Won't do
much good to get a saddle that fits you but not the horse!  I did this with
several saddles, including a Passier Siegfried, before I chose the Crosby
Equilibrium, which cost about $950 two years ago, but now goes for ~ $1200.
So $875 is a pretty good price.  A good saddle is expensive, but I think it
is worth it if you ride a lot and consider all the hours you'll use it for
many years to come.  Oh, one more thing -- a good saddle shouldn't require
all kinds of pads or cushions underneath it to fit  your horse.  If
it does, then keep looking for a saddle that fits right.

Good luck!

Rita and Kindred Spirit ('Blaize')
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:46:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Horse attacking dogs was Drivers encounter ...
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

My horses have all been friendly with *my* dogs.

When Pharalina was a baby, she used to let the dog chase her.
The dog would get tired and lay down.  Pharalina would go over
and bump the dog till he got up, then she'd chase him.  Once,
he turned in front of her, she tried to jump over him and missed.
Her front feet pushed him under her.  Her back feet pushed him 
forward.  He rolled a couple of times before getting free.  Pharalina
hung her head as he ran off.

Pendragon loved Sampson.  Sampson would stand outside the gate.
Pendragon would reach over and groom Sampson's back.  Sampson is
the dog.  Occasionally, Sampson would reach back and chew a bit
on Pendragon's cheek (the only thing within reach).

Pharalina also protects my dogs.  I was out riding the country roads
with my dog Nova.  A couple of strange dogs ran out and started chasing
us.  Pharalina stepped over Nova, so Nova was standing under her.
The other dogs ran away.

As far a lunging is concerned, my greatest problem is with the cats.
They like nothing better than to come into the circle and chase the
lung whip.  They also play chicken: standing in the circle till the
horse comes around then jumping out of the way with inches to spare.

Wendy

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@torsqnt.tor.sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Re: Putting on weight
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:51:30 GMT

dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay) writes:

>I just recently bought a mare who is 8 years old and is very skinny.  The
>vet said she needs to gain at least 200 lbs!  I was told that she had been
>nursing a foal for about a year before it was weaned last summer and that
>was why she was so thin.  Also, her teeth needed to be floated.  Well,
>I had the vet out to float her teeth and I have been worming her regularly
>but she still hasn't gained any weight.  I keep her in a ~30 acre pasture
>and feed her about 4-5 pounds of 10% sweetfeed a day.  I know this doesn't
>sound like much feed, but my other horses stay -FAT- on only 1-2 pounds of
>feed a day, because they are getting all the grass they can eat. 

>My questions are, should I just continue to increase her feed slowly, should
>I give her additives (if so, what) or should I have her teeth looked at
>again?  She still dribbles her feed when she eats and there is a lot of
>"slime" (?) in the bottom of her feed bucket when she's done eating.  What
>about having her "tube" wormed?  Is it more effective than paste worming?
>Any other suggestions for a "hard keeper"?


Sorry about the lousy cut and paste job, I'm still learning a new editor so
I can post at all!!

Anyway, I was surprised to see that your mare had had a nursing foal for a
year!!  I thought that even if they were left un-weaned, mares would wean
before that time.

I agree that you should have her teeth checked.  Drooling and slime is not
a normal horse thing.

RE: feed.

When we want to fatten up a horse we add corn oil to the feed.  Also we go
to three feeds a day (morning, afternoon and evening).  I've also known
people who added things like Krunch and pellets to a hard keeper's feed.

Try this and give her some time.  A friend has a mare who's last foal took
a lot out of her.  It took her till this summer after he was weaned last
fall to get back to looking good.  And she's not a hard keeper.

Cathy
clever@sequent.com

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger)
Subject: THANK YOU...ALL OF YOU!
Followup-To: More bad news...
Summary: I have made so many new friends!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 15:05:08 GMT

I want to thank all of you who have responded with thoughts
and prayers regarding Hank and the discovery of his cancer.
I wanted to mail each of you back individually, but the outpour
of support and mail was so overwhelming, it would take me days
to mail all of you back!  It brings tears to my eyes, and joy
to my heart!  ;*)

He is scheduled for surgery on the 18th.  I will post a note
to the net on the 21st, and let everyone know how he is doing,
and what further was found from the biopsy of the tumor.

I cannot eat, I am having trouble sleeping at night, and I can't
seem to concentrate on work.  I call the vet daily with questions
that seem stupid, even to me!  The vet is so understanding of my
emotions, and reassures me that this is most likely only a skin
cancer, and that the removal of the tumor will be 100% effective.
I will have to keep an eye on Hank, tho, due to the possibility
of future tumors.  Caught early, they can be frozen off.

I would appreciate it if you all would continue with your prayers.
I won't feel out of the woods, so to speak, until Hank is safely
back at home an in my arms after surgery.  :*)

Once again, thanks to everyone who has responded with sympathy
and reassuring comments.  I can't imagine life without Hank.
He's my best friend!!!!  (He ranks right up there with Mom and
my S.O. Larry, anyway!!!)


Megan, Larry, Clyde, Edgar, and the Hankster.  (Who's eating habits
haven't changed, even if mine have!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Subject: Re: need help with stubborn horse
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:19:02 GMT

In article <14383@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
> ... But the weird thing is that he's actually
>quite good at his walk-canter transitions, and has an awful time
>cantering from a trot, he just runs into it.  So he knows how to
>get his butt under him at some times and not at others...  

Does he run into the departure with all riders?  Is it possible you 
are either not as clear with your aids or are too far forward with
your upper body at the trot?  Do you sit for several strides and 
get a good half-halt before the departure?  Is his trot just plain
too downhill?  Maybe working on the walk-trot, trot-walk, halt-trot,
trot-halt transitions will help with the trot-canter by improving
his balance at trot.

  Debbie
  deblev@ipac.caltech.edu


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sysmatt@aix3090b.uky.edu (Matt Simpson)
Subject: Re: info wanted on Wintec trees
    <1992Aug25.060453.3729@desire.wright.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:53:02 GMT

Sue - could you tell me and the rest of the net what you paid for your
Thorogood synthetic saddle? (My apologies if this info was already posted
and I missed it)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Saddle question: Crosby Lexington 
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:33:40 GMT

	Hi again,

	I have questions about saddles, specific and general.

	I ride fairly casually- trails, medium fences, occasional
	lessons, so I guess I ought to look for an all purpose
	saddle.  But apparently all-purpose saddles are "jack of all
	trades, master of none" so if there's a trade-off I'd rather
	lose some dressage ability (can always buy a dressage saddle).

	Can some kind person describe the difference between all-purpose,
	eventing, hunting saddles?  What do I look for?  How much knee
	roll is good, how deep a seat, etc.  All I've owned before is
	the all-purpose Wintec (which worked out all right, I suppose).

	There's a beautiful Crosby Lexington on sale at the tack shop
	($875 US- is that reasonable?) which might fit my high-withered 
	horse.  It fits me too but has big knee rolls- are there any 
	trade-offs there?  Any recommendations for me and other neophytes?

	Thanks for any advice!
	Robin
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: my apologies to ponies...
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:08:00 GMT
Reply-To: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

In article <1992Aug27.224500.14667@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA) writes:
>
> Sorry.. you misunderstood, I have nothing against hardy stocky ponies, hence I bought Christy a 14 h, 15 yr old Australian Stock Pony mare who is tough, hard and will go anywhere, do anything horse.
> My objections are to the minature thoroughbreds who are really only suited to the show ring (yes I'm sure this is worthwhile.. but...I like my ponies to be hard..) Connemaras are amongst my favourites, as are Welshies and in England Dartmoors are unbeatable.
>	And I would prefer a wily shetland to the stupidest thoroughbred!
>
>	Amanda.
>	and Christy (who learnt not to shy away to the right, I have that leg in plaster and did she get a shock when I applied some pressure!!!)

Whilst I agree generally with Amanda on her opinions regarding what I
call *proper* rather than "porcelain" ponies, I would take issue with
her over Dartmoors.Do you mean *literally* what you say Amanda,or is
it that you prefer them to our other native ponies? My personal preference
is for the Exmoor,which has the distinction of being our oldest native
pony(2000yrs it is believed).Our Exmoor/Thouroughbred (sorry about the typing)
mare ,now 16,has frequently beaten Dartmoors:-)Mind you,I like them,too.
 I am *much* more a fan of the English native pony and the heavy horse than
other types.Having said that,I'm not knocking the other ,either.
Mike
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Sidesaddle for sale
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:46:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Sep4.094618.3908
Organization: Wright State University


For you sidesaddle buffs out there....

For sale, lovely antique sidesaddle.  Quite old, good condition.  Useable, 
restorable.  Black leather and black canvas, no leaping horn, heavily 
scrolled embroidered.  Originally had narrow red leather trim about the
skirt, remnants of which can still be seen.  Horn is trimmed in red leather.

Will send photos to interested buyer.

Can't use saddle, doesn't fit my fat Arab.

$250 firm, UPS included.

Sue Bishop

(513) 376-4914
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: more on carts
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:07:48 GMT



    : Jo.A.Steele@dartmouth.edu (Jo A. Steele) writes:
Subject: Re: Wooden Wheeled Carts--was: what I take while carting

>Anyway, now I am drooling over wooden wheel carts, Irish jaunting
>carts, etc.
>
>Driving is a blast except for all the flats!
>
>Karen
>I don't want to disillusion you, but wooden wheels, even with the rubber 'edge', are hard on the spine!  You feel every bump and stone in the road.  The smaller the cart, the worse the springs are.
> Karin and the mighty Morgans!

Karen and Karin...just want to add my .02 worth about wooden wheeled
carts.  I drive a "custom" designed Amish made maraton cart which I
love (365 competitive miles in the past year, not counting those
conditioning miles, pleasure shows and CDE's).  The type of ride
totally depends on the springs, how the shafts are designed, etc.  When
I first got my cart, there were only three spring leaves...after a few
rough rides over ledge and through brooks, I added another leaf and the
ride is totally smooth.  THe type of cart you get also depends on the
type and terrain you'll be driving on.  If you're going over old
trails, etc., don't get a cart designed for the road.  Some people
swear by the flexi-shaft, I don't particularily care for it.  Some
carts are sprung to tightly and those are the ones I find that every
bump is exacerated through my spine.  Granted, my 1860's restored
4-wheeled lady's phaeton is still like driving a cadillac over the
two-wheeler, but then again I don't take it over the trails.  Good luck
if you do go for a wooden wheeler and let me know if you need
addresses or suggestions in what to look for.

Jo Steele and Heidi (the versatile riding, jumping and driving Morgan)

------------------------------------------------------------------
I would love any information about your cart. basic construction,
etc, and also approximate cost.  I have my cart wheels at a bike
shop this week for trueing, hopefully they can solve the problem of
the spoke heads sticking up enough to cause flats.

When in Ireland several years ago we happened on a Mr. MacGillicudy
near Killarney that restores Irish Jaunting carts and Governess
carts.  They were just beautiful.  I asked him about how much one
would cost and when he told me around $500 I almost fainted.

Was just about to order one when he explained it would have to go on
a train to Dublin, boat to New York, then shipped across the U.S.
and he guessed that would be $1,000 to $2,000.  Oh well.

Karen