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From: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Drafting etiquette?
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:25:00 GMT
Reply-To: oreagan@oasys.dt.navy.mil (William Oreagan)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I've noticed that training tri's are not friendly at all. MTB bikers
are friendly unless racing. A couple years ago MTB races were fun with
lots of "nice crash" and good natured comments. Now all I hear is grumbling
and lots of "move, move " etc. comments. Much more interested in that
placement number. To add to an earlier comment on this thread about
runners and in particular single male runners, the most encouraging
words come from this group.  Maybe because in a race ( I typically run
10K s) you know your PR and are running against the clock, runners will
be more than happy to encourage you, "let's go" they say rather that
" out'a the way". Again, my performance doesn't detract from theirs
in running. Also, runners seem much less class-ability snob like, and
more tolerant of beginners with more advice etc.  With good bikers passing
on the road, I have the feeling theythink a slow rider is actually doing
another sport, but runners treat runners as brothers/sisters. The greatest
exception to the above is perhaps breaking down while biking; nothing
but good words to say for all the bikers who have stopped in the middle
of hard pushing/ setting sun, to help out.
Bill O
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From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: DAZER ultrasonic dog repeller?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:05:33 GMT

arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger) writes:
>     I have one and it works OK. I bought it through the Heathkit catalog.
>Actually, I got it free from Heath. When I bought their ultrasonic cleaning 
>tank kit it was in such bad shape that I wrote a complaint letter. Heath
>sent me a $50 gift certificate, so I ordered a DAZER. Its worked on the
>dogs that have challenged us on the tandem. 

How far away were the dogs when it took affect?  What did they do?
-Terry
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Audible greetings (was)Re: Drafting etiquette?
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:49:26 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <BzvFM5.J68@cs.uiuc.edu>, tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
> gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu (Gregory D. Surbeck) writes:
>>	What about roadies?  Does anyone think roadies are more or
>>less friendly than mtn bikers.  This question comes in response to a
>>recent editorial in a (I think _Bicycling_) magazine.
> 
> Well we've had this discussion before on the net and will certainly have it
> again.  Although primarily a roadie myself I am often amazed at how much
> friendlier mountain bikers and triathletes are than roadies.  Thats probably
> why the atmosphere in bike shops has improved as they get more employees who
> are mountain bikers.  
> -Terry

I agree entirely about triathletes. Triathlon riding is more individualised,
and as it's not the whole part of the race there's a lot more friendliness at
events.  Why hassle a better or worse rider when s/he can whip you in the run
or the swim?  Try hanging around the transition area during a race and the
vibes are particularly positive and fun.

Jonathan.
From: AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timmer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Need to read : Are you an idiot?
Date: 31 Dec 1992 08:54:47 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:
>            The facts are that a car's weigh over a ton and a bike weigh
>       less than 25 pounds.  So, my question is who are these idiots that
>       get out on busy streets and ride in the street?  I see these people
>       out around rush hour on the most travel roads in Memphis.  The traffic
>       is almost bumper to bumper, and you have some idiot on his bike in the
>       right hand lane slowing traffic up.  All I want to know is who are you
>       people?  What is going on in your head?  Your asking for trouble doing
>       stupid stuff like that.  I see these people and some times I'd like to
>       open my passenger door and knock them down or just run them off the
>       road.  And you know what's really bad.  I'm a fellow bicyclist.


No--you ride a bike.  But you ain't my fellow anything.


>       I ride anywhere from 100 to 200 miles a week depending on how many days
>       I have to ride.  Usually 50 miles on saturday and sunday and 20 miles
>       on week days.  I don't know their may be some of you people that ride
>       a lot more than I do, but I also swim for an hour twice a week and
>       run three times about 10 miles.  I consider myself a execise nut.


A what?  An exorcised nut?
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From: johnr@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Reid)
Subject: Re: Automatic transmissions for bikes
Organization: Computer Power Software Group Pty Ltd
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:45:37 GMT

pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel) writes:

>marc@gauss.math.mcgill.ca (Marc Sokolowski) writes:
>>[Most responses have been pessimistic, but still I wonder: an
>> automatic transmission works for cars, why not bikes?]

>The basic issue is that the demands of a transmission on a
>high-performance bicycle are much harder to deal with than
>the demands on a high-performance car.

> - Cars generally get by with 4 to 6 speeds.  Bikes often
>have more to choose from so there is more work involved in
>deciding which gear to be in.  There are more gears because
>human engines are much sensitive about gearing, which makes
>it all the more important to be in the right gear.

For what it's worth, when I'm not racing I frequently ride for very long
distances in a single gear. This has advantages for training (it means I
have to pedal much faster under some conditions, which is a good thing for
flexibility) and causes no problems in starting, climbing etc etc. 

Gearing does not serve the same function on a bike, because this is
possible, but isn't possible for a car (not economically possible anyway).
Gearing allows the rider to climb very steep hills, and maximise the speed
for his/her power output in a racing situation. For commuting gearing is
largely irrelevant beyond selecting a good all round gear to ride in, and
historically this view has been reflected in a wide range of commuter bikes
with one gear only supplied.

Gearing of a racing type has recetly been appearing on non-racing bikes for
fashion rreasons more than purely functional ones.

Where does this leave automatic transmissions? I would suggest that it
leaves them in the "Useless gimmicks to separate fools and their money"
category. 
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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: I thought this newsgroup was ending Nov. 23?!?!?
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:07:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <92347.195034ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Eric
Schweitzer) wrote:
> 
> I did not vote for the split, (but I didn't vote against, and I'm now
> paying for my apathy) and would fourth this...BUT...
> 
> 1) usenet guidlines require a 6 month waiting period between any
>    reorganizing vote and the next (it hasn't been long enough since
>    the split to bring up the topic officially).
> 2) The discussion MUST take place in the right news.* group, so if and
>    when we are ready to do this right, we have to do it there.

I'm all for that.  When is the 6-month period up?

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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Personally importing a bike ???
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:12:28 GMT

>in article <724655546.AA05467@urchin.fidonet.org> Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber) writes:

(Devious plane for avoiding import duties)

Uh, If you fly to Europe, buy a bike and then _use_ it there, you
are importing a _used_ bike and I don't believe there is any duty
on it.

However, if you fly to Europe and buy a new bike you could probably
not have bothered. European bikes generally have pretty )(*& paint
jobs and the price is almost identical to what you could buy it for
here.

In fact, you can probably buy better components here since Shimano,
Suntour and Campagnolo all have better distribution channels here then
they do over most of Europe.

If you are in Europe (or if you're going over there anyway) and you
want to ship a bike back to the states, just call a Custom's office and
ask them the particulars. Most of the time the duties and taxes are
pretty insignificant compared to the risk. And as I said, I don't believe 
that _used_ bikes are subject to duties in the first place.

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From: mike@drseus.jsc.nasa.gov (Mike Ross)
Subject: Re: DAZER ultrasonic dog repeller?
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:16:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.061307.24043@midway.uchicago.edu> crs5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Dec19.031537.14185@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mike@drseus.jsc.nasa.gov (Mike Ross) writes:
>>>Some time ago someone posted about a device called a DAZER, which could
>>>ultrasonically drive dogs away.  Has anyone ever tried this device?  It
>>>supposedly sells for $30.  I'd love to have a panic button that I could
>>>press when I suddenly realize a dobie has selected my tender calf as a fun
>>>diversion.  
>>
>Try capstun. It is also called Punch. It is made out of hot pepper
>extract, and it will drop any dog. It causes no long-term injury
>either, unless they get hit by a car. Better them than you, though.
>

But that entails having to get a bottle of something and spray in the
general direction of the dog.  What I *really* want is a button I can press
that will send all dogs withing 20 feet of me howling away.  This button
could be pressed in a panic.  I had a dobie show up RIGHT by my leg the
other day.  Luckily he was friendly, but if he'd wanted to, he could have
brought me down.  All my defense scenarios (spray the bottle at him,
stop and get off on the opposite side, yell NO!, etc) were useless.  The
only thing I could have done is hit a panic button.

If the DAZER doesn't work, maybe I could strap some rockets on my
frame, and hit the ignitors to get out of trouble.  Or maybe
I could just pay more attention when I'm riding :-).

- mike

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From: madine@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (G. E. Madine, AT&T-BL/AL, cbnewsm.)
Subject: Re: Need to read : Are you an idiot?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:31:37 GMT
Summary: Shouldn't waste the 60 seconds it took to reply but,

jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:
>        ....  All I want to know is who are you
>        people?  What is going on in your head?  Your asking for trouble doing
>        stupid stuff like that.  I see these people and some times I'd like to
>        open my passenger door and knock them down or just run them off the
>        road.

What I know is that you don't really have the b**ls to act out your
psychotic fantasies.  So you scale back.  You pass rush hour cyclists
with plenty of clearance.  You lean on your horn to politely warn them
of your presence (since you do not know how loud and stinky you already
are to bicyclists).  But maybe you shake your fist a little as you go
by.

Gary E. Madine, Allentown, PA
gem@aloft.att.com

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Subject: Re: Identification(was: A friend went down)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:43:52 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Dec21.011226.8427@eng.umd.edu> gsurbeck@eng.umd.edu (Gregory D. Surbeck) writes:
>[original article deleted]

>> I write important info on a piece of masking tape and stick it inside my
>>helmet. I wonder if anyone would think to look there though?


>	IMHO, an accident bad enough to require immediate medical
>attention would probably mean a destroyed helmet.  The paper could be
>torn away from helmet and blow away in the breeze.
>	I do like the idea of the dog tags and will probably go to the
>local army surplus store to get a pair.


  I agree, the tape in the helmet is fair. I also keep some business cards
in my under the saddle tire/toolbag. 

  But of course dog tags are better. The only thing more secure would be
tattoos.

  It's a serious subject to consider though. 

  btw, rolling up your id and putting it in the seat tube is also useful.
If your bike is ever stolen and recovered you can easily prove ownership.

  

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From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Re: Automatic transmissions for bikes
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 06:52:48 GMT

>pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel) writes:
>>[Cars 4-6 speeds, bikes many more.  Thus, there is more work to
>> decide what gear to be in.  There are more gears because humans
>> are more sensitive to gearing, making it more important to be
>> in the right gear.]

In article <tommy.725663382@hoodlum> tommy@boole.att.com writes:
>[You can ride a bike w/ one gear & cover most of the terrain that
> you can cover w/ a multispeed bike.  A car can't do that.
> Gearing is for convenience.]

My original post focused on gearing for "high-performance" riding.  I
*do* ride a fixed-gear sometimes and can often keep up with other
enthusiasts in rolling terrain, and I could do even better if I could
freewheel.  But my efficiency is worse than when I am on a multispeed
bike, and efficiency is critical for high-performance cycling.

Cars actually *have* been built with single-speed transmissions.  I
think the tranny was the "Dynaflow" and it was simply a torque
converter.  It failed for the same reasons single-speed bikes fail for
everyday use.  The losses aren't worth the wins.  Gearing isn't merely
for "convenience", it is for getting up hills without going anerobic.
For high-performance cycling it is for staying near your peak
efficiency so you can remain competative.

	;-D oN  ( Compete and Deplete went for a ride... )  Pardo
From: ervolina@pkmfgvm2.VNET.IBM.COM (Tom Ervolina)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 11:01:38 EST
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Cross Country Skiing newsgroups?
Organization: IBM Poughkeepsie, NY
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: Usenet 3.0

Sorry to ask here, but are there any groups that discuss cross country
skiing?  Thanks.

Tom Ervolina               IBM, Poughkeepsie, NY

p.s. For relevance to cycling, see the article about Davis Phinney's X-C
ski program in the latest issue of Bicycling Magazine.
From: arnie@col.hp.com (Arnie Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: DAZER ultrasonic dog repeller?
Date: 21 Dec 1992 16:18:27 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hplsduc.col.hp.com

mike@drseus.jsc.nasa.gov (Mike Ross) writes:
> Some time ago someone posted about a device called a DAZER, which could
> ultrasonically drive dogs away.  Has anyone ever tried this device?  It
> supposedly sells for $30.  I'd love to have a panic button that I could
> press when I suddenly realize a dobie has selected my tender calf as a fun
> diversion.  


     I have one and it works OK. I bought it through the Heathkit catalog.
Actually, I got it free from Heath. When I bought their ultrasonic cleaning 
tank kit it was in such bad shape that I wrote a complaint letter. Heath
sent me a $50 gift certificate, so I ordered a DAZER. Its worked on the
dogs that have challenged us on the tandem. 

                                                            Arnie

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From: guy@slustl.slu.edu (Guy Smith)
Subject: Re: Drafting etiquette?
Organization: Saint Louis University  Saint Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:33:51 GMT

In article <1hfgvbINN19rq@introl.introl.com> jake@introl.com (Joel Jacobson) writes:
>this reminds me...  i wonder who's bright idea it was to start bringing
>a bell into races.  i was in about 6 different crits where someone had

Tom Broznowski (sp?) had a bell on his bike when he was racing in
Seattle in 1981 (maybe earlier but I can't say). He won the Nationals
(road) that year (I don't know if he used the bell there).
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: idelson@bms.com (Ira Idelson)
Subject: Re: Identification(was: A friend went down)
Reply-To: idelson@bms.com
Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb PRI
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:59:47 GMT

In article 23419@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, foltz@as.arizona.edu (Craig B. Foltz) writes:
>If anyone has the address of a firm that sells mail-order dog tags, please
>post it.  I generally carry my business card, but not information on 
>blood type, insurance, etc.  I'm sure that the recent discussion has 
>alerted a lot of us to the importance of detailed identification.  

Look in the back of any bicycling, running orhiking/backpacking magazine. There are always ads for this stuff. That's where I got mine. I have some dogtags on chains that I put through the little hole on the zipper mechanism  when I wear my jerseys.

I also have one that has a vecro wrist strap . I use this because in the summer if I go out for less than an hour I usually wear a T-shirt and not a jersey.

A friend of mine has the kind that you can attach to. your shoe using the laces.

On my dog tag I have my name, my home phone #, my HMO phone #, my HMO medical record number, my blood type and my allergies.

Ira Idelson




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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Automatic transmissions for bikes
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:47:18 GMT

In <1992Dec30.070634.15469@beaver.cs.washington.edu> pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel) writes:

>If we're only worried about the casual riders, it's even easier than
>that, but generally doesn't work for *marketing* reasons rather than
>technical reasons.

>Use just a rear derailleur.

>11-13-16-19-23-28-34 gives more than a 3:1 range (30" to 100") with
>modest steps between gears, reshuffle cogs to suit your favorite gaps.
[....]
>I've been pushing this kind of gearing for over a decade and bike shop
>owners, managers, and floor people alike say "It wouldn't sell."  If
>they aren't willing to sell it, it won't sell.
 
We have one of these, used, in the back room of the local shop.
Eventually we're going to fix it up and sell it -- there's a lot
of demand for simple commuting bikes, especially women's frames.

Actually, it's too old to be a 7-speed, just a 5-speed, and the
freewheel is something like 12-32 instead of 11-34, but it does
exist and was sold commercially for a while.

In a further concession to casual riders, its shift lever is
stem mounted so the rider doesn't need to reach down for a
downtube shifter.

Beisdes being simpler, leaving off the front derailleur allows
for a simple front chain guard, though the rear derailleur makes
a full chain guard impossible.

I could see a modern version of this using a 7-speed rear with an
indexed thumbshifter and upright moustache bars, sold stock with
fenders and a rear rack/basket, as a good commuter.  7 gears is
more than enough for most commuting, even in a place as hilly as
Seattle.  Besides comfort, good fenders keep bearings and chains
much cleaner in sloppy weather.  

We recently sold a Worksmen 3-speed adult tricycle, too.  It uses
a SA hub, with a transfer chain driving a rear axle hooked to
both rear wheels.  It looked like a very practical cycle, and
most of the company's sales are industrial, so I'd expect
durability.  The stock rear basket could hold two full grocery
bags easily, and being a tricycle makes it easier to keep upright
on rough surfaces when carrying heavy loads.
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From: TY.A62@isumvs.iastate.edu (jeffrey cross)
Subject: International Bike Airline Fares
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:10:52 GMT

    Recently, someone posted e-mail about taking a bicycle on a domestic
    (USA) airline flight.  There was a response to check the 1991 issues of
    BICYCLING magazine about specifications for travelling with a bicycle.
    I checked the magazine and found two good articles:  "Boxing a Bike" (p.
    89-90, Sept/Oct.  1991) and another on the "Unfriendly Skies" which was
    about bike fares on USA airline carriers domestic flights (p.  34-36, ?
    1991).

    In January I will be flying to Tokyo, Japan on American Airlines.  I am
    planning on taking my Trek Mt.  bike with me because I will be living in
    Japan for one to two years.  Does anyone have any information or
    experience on travelling international with a bike on American Airlines?

    Thanks,

    jeff

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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:18:30 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1992Dec15.150535.12805@waikato.ac.nz>, jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
wrote:
> 
> It is true though that bike tyres that are pumped up hard then left in the hot
> sun for a while will explode.  On sunny afternoons after races I've often heard
> the odd explosion as someone decides to tell the world how they didn't deflate
> their tyres a bit after racing.

I guess I forgot to mention in my previous post that in my desert riding I
often leave the bike out in the hot noonday sun for an hour or more while I
have lunch.  The tires do not explode.  They don't even fart.  Neither do
anyone else's.  I am sure that tires have been known to explode, and
occasionally while sitting in the hot sun, but I do not believe the hot sun
is the cause.

> While riding though,  I don't think it's a problem.  And I've known of trackies
> getting their tyres 50psi over the prescribed limit when doing track work.

But the tire probably gets even hotter while riding, so how does the theory
work?

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