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From: Gleb.Evfarestov@f101.n285.z1.fidonet.org (Gleb Evfarestov)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Re: Apologija sovka
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 11:26:44 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:285/101 - NE Dept. Education, Lincoln NE

Elene Kleytonovne Thurman:
Zdravstvuyte, mneya zovut Gleb.
> "Covok" znachit "dust pan", nye pravda li?  Covok tip chinovnika?
> Pozhalujsta, mozhno ob"yasnit' potochniye shto takoye
> "Marxism-kolbasism"? Zhachit li eto, shto ideologiya sovka naiti
> pishchu?
 
Sovok poluchil svoye nazvanie ot nazvaniya strany - SOVetskiy Soyuz. 
[D[D[D[C[C[CSluchilos eto nedavno, hotya takoy chelovek 
suschestvoval i vospityvalsya v sovetskih usloviyah v techenie 73 let - 
let sovetskoy vlasti.
Naschyot je "marxisma-kolbasisma", to tut mojno skazat i tak: esli 
chelovek chto delaet nepravilno, to on "kolbasit" - eto slang, hotya v 
dannom sluchae ponimanie etogo termina mojet byt svyazano i s edoy.
 
Vsego samogo horoshego,
Gleb


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From: Rod.Ramsell@f2051.n147.z1.fidonet.org (Rod Ramsell)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: SOVOK
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:01:39 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:147/2051 - The O.U. BBS, Norman OK


   Ot Eleni Thurman.  Spasibo za svyedaniye.  Ya uchilas' russkomu yaziku v Indianskom Universitete.  Cookson Hills malyenkaya khristiyanckaya shkola-intyernat dlya dyetyej s smyejnikh problem.  Ya pereyekhala syuda ot shtati Indiana polgoda tomu nazad i nachala programmu inostrannikh yazikov v etoj shkolye.  U nas nachalnaja shkola, srednjaja shkola i polnaja srednjaja shkola.  Ya prepodayu russkij yazik i frantsuzskij yazik na vsekh uroven.  Syejchas u myenya klass frantsukovo dlya fourth and fifth grade



s (vmeste), dve klassi russkovo dlya eighth grade, vtoroj god frantsuzkovo i pervij god russkovo v polnoj srednjej shkolye.
   A kto vi, Michael?  Amerikanyets ili russki?  Prepodavatel'?
                        vsevo khoroshevo,
                                Elena




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From: Victor.Dubin@f141.n403.z2.fidonet.org (Victor Dubin)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
Subject: Opyt
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 21:34:01 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:403/141 - Galaxy BBS, Rishon-Le-Zion Israel

I got it in hebrew (ha-ha)
(cause of eprom hebrew, but sure it was high order)
Victor 
 

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From: mike@athena.mit.edu (Michael T Decerbo)
Subject: Re: Opyt
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:00:25 GMT

---

On Jan 22 14:11, Vic Svec of 1:324/113 wrote:

> On Jan 19 16:51, Michael Wise of 1:161/470 wrote:
>
> MW>            (, ) - should be upper & lowercase "e's"
> MW>            (	 ) - should be an "e" with an umlaut above it.
>
> Don't know what high-bit charaters you are using, but your first pair of letters show up
> as "P, B" while your second shows as a upper case e-kratkoe on my clone which has a
> Russian high ascii set.
>
> / a(!. (That should spell out "spasibo" to those using the same character generator.)
>
> Vic

Unfortunately, on the UNIX system here the high bit is apparently stripped off, since all 
I get is punctuation.

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Newsgroups: k12.lang.russian
From: mike@athena.mit.edu (Michael T Decerbo)
Subject: uncooperative Russian History file 
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:37:46 GMT

> Archive-name: auto/k12.lang.russian/New-files
>
> The following are now available for F'REQ from 105/23 and ftp'able
> from: ftp.psg.com:/ftp/pub/k12/russian/*
>
> --- RUSSIAN HISTORY COLLECTION ---
>
>  This set of files is from a Defense Language Institute text for
>  intermediate- and advanced-level students.  In Russian MS-DOS
> (high-bit) character set.

>  rhis-dli.zip		All of the above (104.1k)

Unfortunately, the file appears as "rhis-dli.lzh", not as a .zip file. And the
lharc un-compresser on my system refuses to extract it:

% lharc e rhis-dli.lzh
lharc Error: Sorry, Cannot Extract this method.
Illegal instruction

Is anyone else having this problem? Am I doing something wrong?

Would it be possible to re-post the file as a .zip?



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From: Iain.Macpherson@f405.n622.z3.fidonet.org (Iain Macpherson)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Software to the rescue
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 02:23:52 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:622/405

CC>stress grammar. Far too many of the students that I get at your
CC>grade level and beyond cannot do such seemingly simple things as
CC>pick out the subject and verb of a sentence let alone direct
CC>objects, predicate nouns, etc. Please stess grammar with them
CC>and once they have covered one particular area, do go back to
CC>make sure that they are still remembering. Grammar is important
CC>and a certain amount of memorization is required such as rules,

       I tend to agree.

       For all readers of the echo (particularly this thread) who want a good electronic tutor and diagnosis tool, get a hold of MLGRAM.ARJ or MLGRAM.ZIP from your nearest BBS.

       It runs through a great range of useful grammatical knowledge. If you can't get it, let me know and I'll forward the author's details so that you may contact him direct.


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From: Philip.Chapman-Bell@f305.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Philip Chapman-Bell)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Re: GRAMMAR
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:13:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/305 - Shangrila, Easthampton MA

If I can jump into this conversation, I'd like to observe that when I say 'grammar' to my university freshmen, they think I'm speaking about not ending sentences with prepositions, not splitting infinitives, and other such superstitious tripe, whereas I'm thinking I'm speaking about agreement of pronouns, the use of complete sentences, and other such tools which aid the reader in understanding what the writer wants to communicate.  My point here would be that in the teaching of grammar, it is paramount to 
stress the aim of grammar, rather than insisting on the memorization of just what a noun is or on putting 'I' after another's name.  (My teachers in grammar and high school were of the school of insisting on the rules and never explaining their aim; it wasn't until I started studying German that I realized that English had an observable and useful structure.  I don't know about you, but I am far more annoyed by the over-correction I hear about me (as in "between you and I") than I am by a good honest "ain'
t."
        But that's just my opinion.



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From: Lucie.Keller@f1108.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Lucie Keller)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Re: TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 08:16:58 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:202/1108 - Telesis BBS, San Diego CA

Hello Gary,   I will see if I can't find it for you.  I will upload it 
to this BBS a.s.a.p......  Didn't realize you were in Canada! I live in 
San Diego, Ca., in case you wondered....  Talk to you soon. :-)



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From: Holly.Wolf@f615.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Holly Wolf)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Curriculum
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 07:44:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/615 - Scholasticom, Palmyra NY

Where can I find critical or comparative reviews of textbook series?


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 07:45:00 PDT
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Where can I find critical or comparative reviews of textbook series?


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From: Jim.Lagerquist@f80.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Lagerquist)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Re: GRAMMAR
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 93 11:36:40 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/80 - Auburn Ed-Net, Auburn WA

You improve your game of Bridge or Chess by playing the games of bridge or Chess.  If one was to read about the rules of the game without actually playing and/or practicing these rules and skills, how would this  help improve your game?  I did not suggest that grammar should not be taught.  I suggested that all grammar be taught in context.  Teaching the  rules regarding english grammar without practicing the rules in context to writing and/or speaking, seems useless to me.  Traditionally, grammar was taug


ht via text books and worksheets as isolated skills.  There's got to be a connection between learning proper grammar and using this knowledge for the purpose that it's intended - namely, writing and speaking!


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From: Jack.Crawford@f620.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Jack Crawford)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Pet Peeves
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 10:23:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/620 - W-FL Teacher Resour, Stanley NY

IM>JK>     Whatever you do with grammar please - Please - PLEASE teach
IM>JK>the students to stop saying "Me and my friend.............."  I

IM>       I agree wholeheartedly.

So does me!

:-)

=jack=



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From: Iain.Macpherson@f405.n622.z3.fidonet.org (Iain Macpherson)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Pet peeves
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 02:18:18 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:622/405

JK>     Whatever you do with grammar please - Please - PLEASE teach
JK>the students to stop saying "Me and my friend.............."  I

       I agree wholeheartedly.

JK>I guess we all have our pet peaves!

       Yeah! Mine is people who can't spell PEEVES. <grin>


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From: Barbara.Mathews@f8.n300.z1.fidonet.org (Barbara Mathews)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Re: storytelling
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 08:52:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:300/8 - Edge of Forever, Tucson Az

A soggy good morning Jim (it's raining in Tucson as it hasn't rained
since the Great Flood of 1983)


JM>        I was a professional performer (storyteller/puppeteer) for 12 years
JM> before I became a librarian some two years ago, so that is how I became
JM> interested in storytelling, but storytelling has a very powerful tradition
JM> in library work.  Folks now see it as one of the central functions of the
JM> library.  Were it not for the librarians who kept storytelling alive
JM> during the dark years, there would be no storytelling movement today.


When I think of puppeteers, I think of people like Jim Henson and Kukla,
Fran and Ollie. That kind of puppeteer? Wow!

How does one become a reasonably proficient storyteller--at least to be
able to entertain small folks within one's own family?

Barbara
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From: Andrew.Probert@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Andrew Probert)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Less "normal" Languages
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 01:28:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

Hi John. Its good to hear from you.

You said
  =8>I understand that Scots Gailic is much the same as Irish and
  =8>that Welsh is much the same as Bretton... Is this fact?

Yes, this is true to some extent. Welsh, Cornish, and Bretton make up
the Brythonic straion of British Celtic, whereas Irish, Scots Gaelic and
Manx make up the Goidelic strain of British Celtic.

You also said
JB=8>I began an interest in Irish Gaelic when I became interested in Celtic
  =8>art about a year ago.. I have Mr Jim Fitzpatrick to thank for
  =8>that... After I began reading some of the old tales, I
  =8>wanted to be able to understand some of the poetry as
  =8>well... After the encouragement of my family and a little
  =8>look into the family tree I was hooked.. But I have had no
  =8>one with any similar interest so it has been slow going...

What old tales were you reading? I became interested in Welsh after
reading some of the tales in the Mabinogion as well as after digging
into my ancestry. Our family on my fathers side hails originally from
the old princedom of Gwent in South Wales, what is now the counties of
Monmouthshire, Glamorganshire and Brecknockshire. On my mothers side I
have the blood of the Ross clan of northeast Scotland running through my
veins.
From where in Ireland and in Scotland do your ancestors hail?
I believe that the Bretton language sounds rather strange because of the
overlay of French over the essentially celtic language. Apparentally
Brittany is an exceptionally beautiful part of France.

 You say that your normal profession is as a seaman. What ecxactly do
 you do as a seaman. What sort of boat or ship do you work on  and
 where? Also what is your not so normal profession?

Why don't we practice saying simple things to each other in Celtic? I'll
start the ball rolling by speaking in Welsh:

Sut rydych chi? Ydych chi'n edrych yn dda iawn?

ie How are you? Are you feelin really good?

Bore da.........Diolch

ie Good morning.......Thanks

If you would prefer to correspond by snailmail my address is
    125 SHORE  ROAD,
    REMUERA,
    AUCKLAND 5,
    NEW ZEALAND

What is your slowmail address?


Bye  or  Hwyl nawr ( cheerio),

Andrew
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From: Livia.Gilardi@p10.f17.n258.z2.fidonet.org (Livia Gilardi)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Test message
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 09:04:03 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:258/17.10 - Hollingworth High S, Milnrow

 3-Sep-92 14:30:40 ...

 RE> this is a test message to see where all dis stuff goes ...

I can vouch that in this case it went to Weston-Super-Mare, Avon, England, via
Milnrow, Lancashire, also England and thence to Ancona, Italy ...

Liv.


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From: striegel@sendit.NoDak.edu (Barry D Striegel)
Subject: humorous interp
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:34:57 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


I am looking for a couple of good humorous interp pieces on
behalf of two speach coaches who are friends of mine.  Can you
help me out on this one? striegel
From: John.Mclaughlin@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (John Mclaughlin)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: EXCHANGE
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 22:07:59 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

I teach juniot high Language Arts and Social Studies in Bathurst New 
Brunswick(Canada) and I am interested in setting up an exchange of 
information with students in Bathurst Australia.  If you teach there (or know 
anybody who does) I would appreciate hearing from you.  Thanks.

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From: Iain.Macpherson@f405.n622.z3.fidonet.org (Iain Macpherson)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Grammar for Classrooms
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 02:31:16 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:622/405

CC>and speakers. Being able to write effectively is very important.
CC>You must know how words fit together in order to do this.
CC>Students must be given the opportunity to do a lot of writing,
CC>but they must have the tools to write with.

       Back to my each-way bet mentioned in an earlier message. You would no more expect a kid to drill holes or hammer nails without knowing the best choices available.

       Grammar teaching has a place. Motivation is the key. I've mentioned in this thread of responses some useful tools. Scan back and see if you've heard of them `over there'.


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From: Elizabeth.Probert@f20.n772.z3.fidonet.org (Elizabeth Probert)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Re Grammar/Language
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 01:26:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:772/20 - IBM NZ Ltd Gate, Auckland

My name is Elizabeth Probert. I am writing on behalf of my HOD English,
Terry Locke, at Pakuranga College, Auckland, New Zealand, who has just
produced a text entitled Every Student's English Language Manual. The
text currently exists in a New Zealand edition and is about to be
produced in an Australian edition. The text aims to give students easy
access to basic language terms and a language with which to talk about
language. It covers such basic areas as diction, spelling, syntax,
punctuation and parts of speech. It also looks at the language usage
appropriate to such genres as the expository essay, reporting,
persuasive language and such literary genres as the short story and
poetry. The text is in A4 format, is easy to use, has been cheaply
produced and is drilled in such a way that it fits simply at the front
of a student's English folder. It is pitched for students from Forms 5-7
(i.e. Grades 10-12). Teachers wishing to view a copy can write to Terry
Locke, Pakuranga College, Pigeon Mountain Rd, Bucklands Beach, Auckland,
New Zealand. To obtain a copy please send Aust $6.40 or US $5.70. This
would allow for a copy to be sent air mail. Terry is certainly
interested in the idea of an American edition. Anyone interested in
helping Americanis(z!)e his English?
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From: Iain.Macpherson@f405.n622.z3.fidonet.org (Iain Macpherson)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Producing & Publishing
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 02:42:34 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:622/405

LR>rules, requiring the students to write a minimum of once a week,

       I must be over-expecting! I was trying for every day (when lack of interuption to routine allowed). I tried over the last six or seven years of full time classes to have pupils with three books for writing - a looseleaf folder where they could jot down thoughts or story-lines unencumbered, an exercise book or botany book to serve as a personal diary/journal & a `presentation' folder or book of stories that had made it right through the conferencing trail to become published articles.

       Few kids have the problem of nothing to write. We had regular brainstorming sessions to spark the `idealess' types.

       The fact that they knew I would discuss progress with parents at regular intervals also helped to push some of the lazier types along. It was only once I'd usually say, ``By the way Mrs Smith, can i show you Debbie's writing portfolio? Oops, how sad. You'd think in seven weeks she'd have written more than 23 words, eh?'' You could almost bet that Debbie would get a talking-to that night.


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From: Iain.Macpherson@f405.n622.z3.fidonet.org (Iain Macpherson)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Grammar - Sum of Parts
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 02:16:26 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:622/405

JL>to identify parts of speech in isolation seems unnecessary to me
JL>if improved writing and speaking skills is what we're seeking. 
JL>What do you think?

       I'd look upon the problem with an each-way bet. Sometimes in order to establish good skills, it's important to disect the whole into its parts and treat them.
       I favour language immersion with regular diagnosis of
recurring misunderstandings. Every so often I have a ``let's get this right'' day.
       Treat symptoms of large problems as they occur. Discuss smaller (personal?) ones on an individual basis.


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From: Janice.Kibbe@f302.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Janice Kibbe)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Pet peeves
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 20:19:44 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/302 - SpaceMet South 1, Holyoke MA

Wow,  my spelling is shot these days.  The other day I left a message and mispelled altar and was corrected for that one too.  Too much reading elementary school kids inventive spelling has warped my brain.  I'll try to do better, I promise.


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From: Iain.Macpherson@f405.n622.z3.fidonet.org (Iain Macpherson)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Teaching Grammar
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 02:28:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:622/405

RR>about.  I'm trying to make the grammar useful in the students'
RR>writing and speaking.  I've told them I want them to learn the
RR>basics so we can talk about our writing in terms we understand. 

       That seems like a reasonable starting point.

       Tried any of those cloze stories that require a particular part of speech? Kids actually like them so much that they'll come to ask what an adverb is an how it's used. (One of many examples)

       At a few teachers' conferences I've been to here (NSW, Australia), I've found others that believe them to be an excellent supplementary tool.


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From: Gilles.Leblanc@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Gilles Leblanc)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Re: GRAMMAR
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 23:38:30 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

I concur.  It is totally useless to teach grammmar for grammar's sake.  I 
feel that has been the mistake of the past.  It appears to me that what is 
needed is a systematic approach to teaching grammar from the oral and written 
production of the students.  I am aware of some research that has been done 
on an approach for teaching correct grammatical spelling in French using the 
student's pwritten productions as a basis for individualized instruction. 
Are you aware of any kind of research of thgis nature that has been done for 
teaching English grammar?

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From: Carol.Cunningham@f6506.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Cunningham)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: Re: SOFTWARE TO THE RESCUE
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 09:28:19 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/6506 - BBS AMERICA/3RS BBS, Richardson TX

Thanks Iain for the info on MLgram.zip. I will definitely try to find it here locally.
                             Carol


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From: Felix.Grant@p10.f17.n258.z2.fidonet.org (Felix Grant)
Newsgroups: k12.lang.art
Subject: READING
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 08:51:02 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 2:258/17.10 - Hollingworth High S, Milnrow

 MG> Is he suitable for young folks?

 JF> Thats who he writes for :-)

That doesn't answer the question, though?

Felix


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