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From: tyen@cs.utexas.edu (Anthony Yen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: GeoWorks and FAX/modems
Date: 16 Apr 1992 15:20:22 -0500
Organization: Coffee R Us
Distribution: usa
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GeoUsers:

Thanks for all the input regards GeoWorks' upgrades.  I'm purchasing
one this weekend at my local Computer City (assuming they got the
shipment in).

I have a FAX/modem that I would like to be able to use with GeoWorks,
but no one locally seems to have any idea if they would coexist with
each other.  I have the CompletePC package, and would like to have
anyone else who has the same and works with GEOS share their
experiences with me.  I'll summarize back to the net.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: IBM deals with GeoWorks
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:04:01 GMT


I read something interesting in InfoWorld this morning.  The following 
is from Bob Cringely's column, Notes From The Field, reprinted without 
permission:

         "... IBM is near to cutting a deal to put GeoWorks on its 
         low-end multimedia platforms.  By low end, I mean sub-386, 
         where Windows fear to tread.  And this is likely to be the 
         new ROMable GeoWorks, which I've seen already running on a 
         Poqet.  Look for Big Blue to have a three-tiered multimedia 
         strategy, with Kaleida (or its replacement) on top and 
         GeoWorks running on hand-held computers at the bottom.

         "Microsoft is apparently at a disadvantage in this downsizing 
         race toward personal digital assistants.  Windows cannot be 
         shrunk while IBM has GeoWorks and Apple has a Common Lisp OS 
         generator that can spit out a subset of the Mac operating 
         system of practically any size."

I wonder if this ties in with Pen/GEOS.  At any rate, Cringely's 
comments should always be taken with a grain of salt.  He's the guy 
that put out the rumor about GWE 2.0 running Windows apps, a rumor 
that was subsequently laughed to death.
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From: scls_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Scoles)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: GeoWrite FAQs
Summary: two questions
Keywords: printing, select
Date: 6 Apr 92 05:11:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I have to demo GeoWorks for a client this week, and I'd like to be able to
address a few obvious weaknesses of GeoWrite for him.  I'd really appreciate
it if persons on this group could help me out with these questions.  If the
answers are in the manual -- I don't have a manual, 'cause I haven't bought
it yet, I'm looking at the demo -- then you could mail me, but if they're
not in the manual, I think it would be good to post them.  Maybe we could
cobble together a set of app-specific FAQ lists.

PRINTING:  
I hear people here talking about "printing to file", but I can't figure
out how to do it.  Sure, Geos makes _nice_ 9-pin printouts, but I'd like to
be able to take my copy to another printer -- say, a laser or a 24-pin.  (If
this is a funciton of "Save as", that helps to explain why I don't know
about it -- "Save as" is disabled in the demo.)

SELECTING:
Is it really true that you can only select all of the text in a whole
document by <shift>-<down-arrow> scrolling through the whole thing?  Other
than setting up formats for an empty document and "Insert[ing] as text", has
anybody found a workaround for this?

(You may notice parallel postings re. GeoComm problems ... )



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From: brian@king.csd.mot.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: SPARC-based SDK (was Re: Pro to 2.0 Upgrade?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:56:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: motcsd.6359

tyen@cs.utexas.edu (Anthony Yen) writes:

>Also, I've heard rumors that current development work is carried out
>on SPARCstations.  If that is true, I would like some info on it,
>since I do most of my work on an SS2 hooked up to a 670MP.

As I understand it, the SPARC-based SDK is used internally by GeoWorks
and is not marketed.  
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From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GeosCrash!
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:37:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: pasteur.1992Apr8.033739.18953
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Apr7.105837.20399@access.digex.com> andy@access.digex.com (Andrew M Cohn) writes:
>GWE crashes a lot. Both the new and previous versions. This happens not when
>the program is in use, but during loading GWE apps and during saving/exiting.
>Any suggestions?  The only alterations I have made was to put a few icons
>in the trashcan...things like AOL, for instance.  Thanks!

You've got to describe your exact hardware and software setup and the
precise sequence of steps taken to get the crash for anybody to be of much
help.  Have you run through all of the stuff in the troubleshooting guide
yet?  It has quite a few things that you should do to find (or at least
narrow down) the problem area.

Thanks,
	John D. Mitchell
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	Me be GeoWorker.  Me speak for I.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.
From: ald@clipper.ingr.com (Al Date)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Geo Pro Demo by Mail ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:34:49 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA

In article <31840001@hpspkla.spk.hp.com> baker@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Bill D. Baker) writes:
>
>  I have purchased a new PC and I have had my fill of Microsoft and would like
>to check out other GUI's than MS Windows.  I read about obtaining a working
>model of Geoworks Pro for $9.95 from the local retailers of same but when I
>talked to the local stores they acted like I was speaking a foreign tongue!
>(I have terrible luck in finding salesmen who are remotely knowledgable about
>their products.)
>
>  My question is: Can I order the demo by mail, and from where?
>

You might try the GEOWORKS RT on GEnie.  Tell Tony Cuozo I sent you.

--Al Date
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Pro to 2.0 Upgrade?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:04:39 GMT

In article <kukvjgINNiep@ai.cs.utexas.edu> tyen@cs.utexas.edu (Anthony Yen) writes:
>I'm evaluating GeoWorks for use on my laptop (Compaq LTE Lite/25); I
>want something that isn't as bloated as Windows.  I would like to buy
>into GeoWorks, but it currently lacks just a few items that I think
>version 2.0 would satisfy.  I would definitely order a copy of
>GeoWorks Pro today if someone could tell me there is some reasonable
>upgrade planned for version 2.0---if this version will truly be coming
>out this year.  By reasonable, I mean something less then $50---if it
>is more than that, I can bear to wait and just buy version 2.0 when it
>comes out.

GeoWorks has a very strong history of affordable (read cheap) upgrades.

>Also, I've heard rumors that current development work is carried out
>on SPARCstations.  If that is true, I would like some info on it,
>since I do most of my work on an SS2 hooked up to a 670MP.

The development system at GeoWorks is a network of Sparc workstations
running cross-development tools.  The PC target is hooked up to the Sparc
via a RS-232 cable.  The SDK will be i386 based versions of the tools that
GeoWorks now uses (see the FAQ for more info.).

Hope this helps,
	John D. Mitchell
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	I speak solely for my self.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.
From: jdhinson@eos.ncsu.edu (JIMMY DALE HINSON)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: VT100 Incompatibility?
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:22:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Apr14.213059.3049@ecst.csuchico.edu>, tdunn@ecst.csuchico.edu (Tim Dunn) writes:
|> I'm having a heck of a time with the VT100 emulation in GeoComm. There
|> aren't that many options, but the emulation doesn't seem to follows the
|> ^]<ctrl-char> commands, hence I can't use VI on the host, or even
|> read news and mail.  I can do without VI, but news and mail is pretty 
|> much what ALL I use the modem for. Any suggestions?
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> The fact that it works is immaterial.
|> 		-- L. Ogborn

I assume you're sure that you have VT100 selected?  (Somehow I have managed to 
unselect it in the past, without realizing it).  That's exactly what I use
GeoComm most for - log in and read and send mail.  We have a DecStation network
and I own an AT compatible.  I could send you my terminal (modem) settings
if you like.  I have had absolutely no problems whatsoever - except in the 
case of the network machine occasionnally.  (Of course, I use VI - as much
as I dislike it).

JameS
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: rgt@kepler.unh.edu (Richard G Tomasso)
Subject: Re: Geodraw to PS printing
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:33:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.015259.100163@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> etl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ERIC TODD LANDRIEU) writes:
>>Anyone know which driver to use to print a geodraw doc to a file that
>>can be printed on a printserver 40?
>>
>If you are ever in doubt with a postscript printer(and a printserver 40 is a
>postscript printer), simply use the "Postscript compatable" printer driver.
>This, I assume, should work with any Postscript printer.

I can't find such an option among the printer drivers. (I have 1.2)

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: VT100 Incompatibility?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:31:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.213059.3049@ecst.csuchico.edu> tdunn@ecst.csuchico.edu (Tim Dunn) writes:
>I'm having a heck of a time with the VT100 emulation in GeoComm. There
>aren't that many options, but the emulation doesn't seem to follows the
>^]<ctrl-char> commands, hence I can't use VI on the host, or even
>read news and mail.  I can do without VI, but news and mail is pretty 
>much what ALL I use the modem for. Any suggestions?

Well, have you tried using other terminal emulations?  I use VT52 a
lot because it's the only one that works when I access our MVS
mainframe through the Datalynx converter.  It doesn't have any bells &
whistles, but it lets you do full-screen work.  If you're calling into
a Unix machine, you should be able to select which terminal you're
emulating, and VT52 should certainly be on the list.
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 00:23:52 CDT
From: tom mckibben 2 <U51773@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GeoWrite FAQs
Distribution: usa

I think that printing to file only refers to postscript files. The way to do
this is to select one of the postscript printers from the printers list. Then
select that as the printer that you want to print to. You'll now notice that
you have the option of printing to a postscript file.

I really like this option because now I can put complex graphics in a document
and save it to a postscript file which I them upload to my school account for
printing on one of the campus postscript printers.

hope this helps...tom

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From: tyen@cs.utexas.edu (Anthony Yen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Pro to 2.0 Upgrade?
Date: 14 Apr 1992 01:40:48 -0500
Organization: Coffee R Us
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ai.cs.utexas.edu


GeoUsers:

I'm evaluating GeoWorks for use on my laptop (Compaq LTE Lite/25); I
want something that isn't as bloated as Windows.  I would like to buy
into GeoWorks, but it currently lacks just a few items that I think
version 2.0 would satisfy.  I would definitely order a copy of
GeoWorks Pro today if someone could tell me there is some reasonable
upgrade planned for version 2.0---if this version will truly be coming
out this year.  By reasonable, I mean something less then $50---if it
is more than that, I can bear to wait and just buy version 2.0 when it
comes out.

Also, I've heard rumors that current development work is carried out
on SPARCstations.  If that is true, I would like some info on it,
since I do most of my work on an SS2 hooked up to a 670MP.

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 23:55:55 CDT
From: tom mckibben 2 <U51773@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Geo Pro Demo by Mail ?

I don't know about mail order, but I did see the demo on sale in Egghead Soft-
ware stores here in Chicago. Egghead is a pretty big chain that has some mail
order business as well I think so you might want to try them.

hope this helps...tom

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 00:34:34 CDT
From: tom mckibben 2 <U51773@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Importing .PCX pics into GeoDraw -- the color's not right!

I haven't had any trouble importing .pcx colorwise though I did have some
grid lines disappear on a Quattro Pro .pcx graph (it worked fine for .eps).
Have you tried setting your video to standard vga? My hunch is that geos
may do weird things with super vga beacause there are so many kinds of it.

just guessing...tom
From: calb@edsi.plexus.COM (Calvin Bolwerk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Quick access to DOS buttons
Keywords: Geos, Ensemble
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:00:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Apr15.100025.10866
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

murphy@polari.com writes:

>I have the Pro version of Ensemble and was wondering if anyone knows
>of a clever way to get to the DOS buttons from the professional workspace
>Express Menu button.  I hate to have to go back to the welcome screen and
>then to the DOS buttons if there is a simpler way.  Thanks for any help.

>                                    Joe Murphy
>                             email: murphy@polari.com

	Currently there is no known way of doing this.  It is supposed 
to be in version 2.0.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos,comp.sys.novell
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Putting Geoworks Pro on Novell server
Keywords: novell, pc/geos
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:49:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.131259.15152@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor) writes:
>I'm forwarding this from comp.sys.novell.  Note the followup.
>
>>I have installed Geoworks Pro on a 3.11 Novell Network.  How do you set
>>it up 
>>so that the working files go to the users directories?  The way it is now
>>no matter who logs in you get the work done by the previous user.  I also 
>>had to give the users RWECF rights.  It complained about the geos.ini file 
>>without those rights.
>>
>>Doug MacDonald     macdonal@erc.cat.syr.edu

Hmm..  Well since there ain't no such thing as a network version of PC/GEOS
(or GeoWorks Ensemble v1.x or Pro or the POS series), it seems that you'd
be in violation of the software license agreement.  Also, since it's not a
network version, you won't be able to get the behavior that you'd like. :-)
The later versions (v1.2?, Pro) are network aware and will correctly
read/write/etc. files over the network.

Hope this helps,
	John D. Mitchell
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	I speak for myself.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: GeoWorks and FAX/modems
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:17:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.225158.27844@u.washington.edu> rjb@milton.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars) writes:
>How is the Complete Communicator supported under GEOS?  I haven't heard
>about this, though (oddly enough) I use both.

Hmm.. I'm not sure exactly what your question is.

There is a DOS TSR that runs the fax/modem, a PC/GEOS printer driver that
works with the TSR and a PC/GEOS application.  You can then send and
receive faxes.

Hope this helps,
	John D. Mitchell
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

#include <boring.employee.disclaimer>

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Geo Pro Demo by Mail ?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:03:33 GMT

In article <31840001@hpspkla.spk.hp.com> baker@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Bill D. Baker) writes:
>  I have purchased a new PC and I have had my fill of Microsoft and would like
>to check out other GUI's than MS Windows.  I read about obtaining a working
>model of Geoworks Pro for $9.95 from the local retailers of same but when I
>talked to the local stores they acted like I was speaking a foreign tongue!
>(I have terrible luck in finding salesmen who are remotely knowledgable about
>their products.)

I would think that you could just call the GeoWorks order line (800)
772-0001 (in the US) and order it.  There are two different products.  One
is the GeoWorks Pro Self-Running Demo which is mostly just for
Dealers/Retailers/etc.  The GeoWorks Pro Working Model is copy of Pro that
lobotomized some abilities (like saving files :-) and is probably what
you're looking for as an end user.

Hope this helps,
	John D. Mitchell
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	GeoWorker me be. I speak for me. GeoWorks speaks for itself.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: move vi discussion to comp.something-else (was Re: Window + GeoWorks Ens)
Followup-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:01:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.044304.1083@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> scls_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Scoles) writes:

>Since this discussion specifically concerns problems running vi while using
>GeoComm, I don't see how it could be of _any_ interest at comp.editors.

Eric, I think what Brian was referring to was a followup to the
original post, something to the effect of "vi really sucks.  Use a
real editor."  That type of editor flaming (particularly about
non-GEOS editors) is what does not belong on this newsgroup.
Comp.editors has these flame-fests regularly.

>  The
>original problem, if I recall correctly (and I think the discussion has kept
>to this fairly well), was Geos blowing cookies in a big way whenever you
>tried to use vi.

In a previous thread the problem was isolated to the
"resize-scrolling-region" terminal command (sorry, I don't remember
the escape sequence.  My VT100 manual lists it as Esc [P#;P#r but that
doesn't sound right.)  Many Unix editors use this command to close up
holes left by deleting lines.

It's possible that revising one's termcap to disallow resizing the
scrolling region would solve the problem.  However, I don't know of
anyone who has tried that.

This is beginning to sound like a FAQ.  If the person who originally
asked the question (in the "techies please read this" thread) will
e-mail me what was found out, I'll put it in my FAQ list.


>scls_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu :	joe: A Civilized Unix Editor,
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Putting Geoworks Pro on Novell server
Followup-To: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos,comp.sys.novell
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:12:59 GMT

I'm forwarding this from comp.sys.novell.  Note the followup.

>I have installed Geoworks Pro on a 3.11 Novell Network.  How do you set it up 
>so that the working files go to the users directories?  The way it is now
>no matter who logs in you get the work done by the previous user.  I also 
>had to give the users RWECF rights.  It complained about the geos.ini file 
>without those rights.
>
>Doug MacDonald     macdonal@erc.cat.syr.edu

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From: scls_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Scoles)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: move vi discussion to comp.something-else (was Re: Window + GeoWorks Ens)
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:43:04 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <193@grot.ca41.csd.mot.com> brian@grot.ca41.csd.mot.com (Brian Smithson) writes:

>I like vi and use it on a PC too, but could we move the discussion of vi
>to comp.editors or comp.os.msdos.apps or something?

Since this discussion specifically concerns problems running vi while using
GeoComm, I don't see how it could be of _any_ interest at comp.editors.  The
original problem, if I recall correctly (and I think the discussion has kept
to this fairly well), was Geos blowing cookies in a big way whenever you
tried to use vi.  I have to admit I didn't really believe it, but I found
out over the weekend that vi isn't the only thing that does this -- joe
("_J_oe's _O_wn _E_ditor") does this too, and the problem is definitely
GeoComm.

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From: v099n2ng@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Death)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Geo Pro Demo by Mail ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:16:00 GMT
Organization: Hell
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Hey there Bill,
	
	A crude attempt at the answer to your question....

			I know that the chain of stores called
			Electronics Boutique carries the Pro Demo
			If thats any help..If not

			When Geoworks sent me the 1.2 upgrade it came from

			Geoworks Order Processing Center
			5334 Sterling Center Drive
			Westlake Village, Ca 91361
			Phone # 415-644-3456
	The phone # is both the order processing center and their regular
	customer service number ( two different addresses in different
	towns same number go figure ? )

P.S. If anyone has any objections to me posting the address and phone #
     above, well then before you complainlet me just say...
			Blow Me !!!!!!