From: jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Demonic Christian Beliefs
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:20:25 GMT

bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips) writes:


>jsm@ibis.dsto.gov.au (James Marcus) sez:
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>|But demons DO exist.  Just because you haven't (or think that you
>|haven't) come across them or been influenced by them does not mean
>|that they don't exist.
> 
>	There is NO proof of any such non-sense. I could say that 
>Pixies exist, Just because you haven't (or think that you haven't) 
>come across them or been influenced by them does not mean that they
>don't exist. The only problem is that there is NO PROOF THAT PIXIES
>EXIST !

On the contrary, there is plenty of proof that demons exist.  This is
too big a subject to deal with in this posting.  With various other
postings also concentrating on this issue, I will try to prepare an
article on it in addition to those on Satanic crime which I am currently
preparing.  Hopefully this later article will respond properly to your
statements.


> 
>|Some more research would provide a better description than the above.
>|Briefly, they exist in the spiritual realms, which can be reached by
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>|certain types of meditation (esp. yoga - yes yoga!), seances, ouija,
>|and other OCCULT practices.  BUT BE WARNED, DO NOT BECOME INVOLVED IN
>|THESE THINGS.  THEY ARE EVIL, AND WILL NOT HELP YOU IN ANY POSITIVE WAY!
> 
>	Ah, but the "spiritual realm" does not exist. Please PROVE IT !

I will also endevour to answer this in a later posting as well.

> 
> 
>|I know people who do like to blame every bad thing on demon possession.
>|I also disagree with this line of thinking.  Although there are cases
>|(probably quite a lot) where possession is responsible, I'm sure that most
>|problems are due to something else.  However, that doesn't mean that
>|Jesus can not help the situation, regardless of its cause.
> 
>	Jesus is dead, that would be like saying Sig Freud (spelling ?).
>How can a dead person help ? Dead people tend to be of little help, their
>DEAD, KAPUT, STILL, ACHIEVED ROOM TEMPERATURE, 6 FEET UNDER.I still say a 
>good shrink is better than a corpse

ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!!!

Jesus is not dead!  He died and was RAISED FROM THE DEAD.  He lives today
inside all those who accept Him as their Lord and Saviour.  This I KNOW!

Although I can not prove this by sending words such as these across the
network, He is as real to me as a person standing next to me.  With the
communion and fellowship that I have with Him, I know for sure that he is
ALIVE!  You can have the same relationship with Him if you ask Him
(and mean it).  Go ahead, you might just supprise yourself.

Look at it this way.  If He doesn't exist, then you have nothing to worry
about.  If He does exist, then you will be able to really experience the
presence and love of God through His son (ultimate proof for yourself!).
I sincerely hope you take up the challenge.


>-- 
>"Speak to me in many voices, make them all sound like one.
> Let me see your sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
>A. Trent Phillips | bb099@cleveland.freenet.edu | alias: White Rook
>aa1439@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu | NWROC Email: usr6418a@tso.uc.edu


Yours in Christ,
James.