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Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 21:03:40 -0400 
From: "Jennifer E. Swofford" <jsap+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Maroon Belly Conures
	<14556@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
Distribution: usa

Hello dere,

Well, I just thought I'd add in what I know, which is almost nothing,
but still.

I (well, my parents) have a Sun Conure.  He's extremely loud.  And he
eats everything in sight, including, of course, objects not intended for
consumption.  Especially jewelry.  He mames and destroys.  Vocally,
he'll make ya feel really guilty if you leave him at home alone.  And if
you're not awake when he wakes up, he'll let you know.

BUT - he's a nice little guy when he's not trying to kill people.  We
'put him to sleep' every night by cuddling with him under a blanket on
the couch.  When he falls asleep, we stash him away in his cage.  

He's also learning to talk - he says 'Stephen' which is my father's
name, and when he's in the right mood (when dad takes him upstairs to
give him a bath) he says 'hello' and 'good boy.'  

Anyways, this had nothing to do with Maroon Bellied Conures, but hey.  I
thought I'd defend my little Sun.  

Seeya,

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jsap+@andrew.cmu.edu     
iguana+@cmu.edu        
                              
...phone number removed to prevent those weird calls I've been getting...  
                             
aka - Minerva - Key Lime Pie - FIVE!
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski)
Subject: Re: bird needs adoption
Organization: National Institutes of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:49:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.015545.384@NOC.Vitalink.COM>, rnewlund@noc.vitalink.com (robin newlund) writes:
> 
> Dear People -
> this is my first time on the internet and I hope this gets through. There is
> a parakeet at McCloud's Pet Emporium in Fremont CA that desparately needs
> a loving home and special care. It has hip dysplasia **(the rest deleted)**

Dear Robin,

Why don't *you* buy that poor bird?  Just because you already have an aggressive
parakeet and are getting an eclectus this weekend, it doesn't matter.
The birds will have to be kept separated of course. Robin, I am a pet store groupie.
I frequent many pet stores every weekend, and buy the parakeets that are sick, injured,
or handicapped.  These fellows are given the best of care, vet treatment, and TLC.
They tame down quickly are are indeed very special.  If I lived in your area, I would
buy that parakeet with hip displasia in a second. 

I have a large and somewhat motley assortment of birds that have been rescued from
pet shops, bird marts, and/or various individuals who have decided to dump their
unwanted birds on me.  Every day I go home from work and do at least 2 hours of
cage work before I can sit down to dinner and call it a day.  But in the end, it
is all very rewarding.  I really wish that you would reassess this situation and
your own personal ability to rescue this bird.  Please keep us netfolk informed of
what happens.

-Eve
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: D1SAR@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar)
Subject: Love birds
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:21:29 GMT

What are the easiest birds to train to talk?
Has anyone had any luck teaching love birds to talk?
 
Steve
From: jthyne@budski.East.Sun.COM (Joe Thyne - Sun ECOPS Material Acquisition)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Lesser Sulphur-Crested Cockatoo???
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:13:25 GMT
Reply-To: jthyne@budski.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: budski.east.sun.com


Does any one out there own a Lesser-Sulphur Crested Cockatoo if so can
you give me some helpful advice??

Here is the scenerio we have been thru....

My wife and I have been looking to get a cockatoo and we had two Lesser
Sulphur Crested Cockatoos in mind. One was only 4 weeks old w/ a price
tag of $1500, which we felt was rather expensive, we continued our
search and found one which was just about a year old but half the
price! The second bird had a slight drawback in the sense that it
wasn't a hand fed baby, but it seemed very friendly and took a liken to
us immediately!  We decided that due to our finances, we went with the
$750 one. I had boughten a cockatiel of these people five years ago and
had great luck with it so we figured that this bird was cared for in
the same manner. I hope!!  Looking for help w/the following
questions....or advice..

-I've heard that there are pro's & con's  owning a hand-reared verses
 a non-hand reared bird? 
 - Are they able to talk?
  -How is there demeanor? 
 - How are they around kids? 
 - Are they easily trainable?
-Our bird tends to want to go back to its cage if put on the floor to
play, is this common or due to the fact that the surroundings around
him are new and the cage is his sense of security for the mean time
only???

Any input or experience with this breed of Cockatoo would be
very much appreciated.

Joe

Phone:  508-250-6599 Lowell Mass.
From: rcuhel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Russell L Cuhel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: transporting birds
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:46:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr8.024602.18428
Reply-To: rcuhel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Originator: rcuhel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1992Apr7.204441.19609@beaver.cs.washington.edu>, by vaughn@cs.washington.edu (Vaughn Iverson):
> In article <1992Apr6.120841.14166@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> joi@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (JMM) writes:
>>If anyone has any experience or knowledge about the advisability 
>>of transporting a pet bird cross country, I'd appreciate hearing from
>>you.  And if it can be done with a high chance of success, I'd like
>>to know that, too.
>>Since I haven't been getting on the net very often lately, please send
>>email if you can.  I'll still get it if you post, but it might be a while.
B
****To where?? Your address got lost in the followup!>>
>>Thanks.

>>	Joy Metcalf

The temperature thing is important if your bird doesn't make down (as in
pillows). I have an Amazon, Pisco, who's got at least 10,000 miles under
his belt in cars and trucks and was shipped from San Francisco to Milwaukee
by plane, alone.  We've found a couple of useful things. I got a TINY cage 
at a garage sale for about 5 bucks -- it's just barely big enough for him
to get in.  After just one trip out he associated the cage with cruising
and whenever it comes out he gets all antsy and practically jumps into it
when we open his cage.  He's often out in the car, though, (yes, clipped)
but the small cage keeps him from banging around when it gets bumpy. Since
Amazons make plenty of down, he has no trouble with 10 degrees F outside so
we're not very careful about sudden changes, though we keep the window
closed while driving (he's 13 now, and I've had him ten years, so I'm not
making a fatal error--not one visit to the vet except for getting travel papers for Canada.)

However, if your bird is paranoid or subject to fright, keep the car
out of car washes on your trip.
Russell Cuhel
f
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: advice needed on adding 2nd bird
From: thompson@gumby.mgi.com
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:12:57 CDT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

Help, I need some advice on getting a second bird. I know all the
reason to stick with one bird but we have decided to get a second
bird for my son's thirteenth birthday.  We have a Pacific parolett (sp)
and my son wants either a budgie or a pacific parolett.  We will keep
the birds in different rooms.  Any advice on if we should get 2 birds of
the same species or go with two different species. And we currently
have a male, should we go for the same sex bird or one of each.
 
thanks
maggie

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: colorado@venus.next.com (Delia Colorado (Temp))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Question on breeding Cockatiels
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:53:16 GMT


Hi all!!
My cockatiels' babies aren't even six weeks old and they already laid  
eggs again.  Do they ever stop laying eggs, or is this something they  
stop doing naturally?  Should I discourage their breeding by taking  
the nest away?  I am not sure if it is ok for them to keep breeding  
all the time.  Does anyone out there have any experience in the  
subject that can help me out?  Thanks a lot,
Delia
From: Debby.Steele@bird.com (Debby Steele)
Sender: FredMail@bird.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: LOVE BIRD
Date: 05 Apr 92  14:18:18 EST


 > friend
 > who breeds love birds.  We have had him about 2 months now and he is
 > starting to bite us every time we put our hands in the cage.  We are
 > very inexperienced with birds, but have read many book to educate
 > ourselves.  We work with the love bird everyday but all of a sudden 
 > he
 > is biting more aggresively.  Does anyone have any advise?  Thanks!
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > --- Fred-Uf 1.8h(L)[BETA]

Sorry, I don't have any advice but I do have the same problem. I have a Masked
lovebird (They are like fisher's) that I handfed from 2 weeks old and he also
bites a lot. He's about 4 months old now and seems to be getting better but he
still bites a lot and it hurts. The weird thing about him is he doesn't bite to
be mean and aggressive he just explores by biting. I've tried blowing on him
when he bites, but then he just reaches up and bites me in the lips, so lately
I've been dropping my hand to throw him off balance a little and say NO real
firm and that seems to be helping. The eye ring species of lovebirds and
nervous, timid, fearful little things for the most part and I think that's why
they are so nippy. I have a 2 year old handfed peachface lovebird and he's the
sweetest thing in the world and has never bitten. I really question the pet
quality or the eye ring species.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS)
Subject: Re: Cockatiel behavior
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:36:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.193830.637@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> bhtongue@highlander.Berkeley.EDU (Benson H Tongue) writes:
>Hi group. I've got a quick question vis a vis cockatiels. My young
>bird (under a year) has started a new behavior. He (she) (I'm not
>sure yet since it's a cinnamon so the coloration clues aren't
>definitive) gets down off of my shoulder onto the dining room table
>and walks around. He (she) keeps his (her) body low with the crest
>down against his (her) head, spreads his (her) wings slightly away
>from his (her) body and bobs his (her) head up and down as he (she)
>walks. This behavior is probably a major clue to his (her) sex. So
>how about it. Does this tell me whether I've got a male or female?
>Thanks
>Benson


	I got a male that does that on occasion. If it is a he, it'll
likely do something like this in front of a mirror.
From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Peach Fronted Conure
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:37:43 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

I'd appreciate someone with a Peach Fronted Conure contacting me.  I'd
like to ask some questions about their behavior.  Specifically, do they
usually learn to talk?  My bird is silent most of the time. 
He doesn't play much either.  Nor does he regularly destroy things.
He's just a mellow bird.  And I thought conures were terrors that never
shut up.

Anyway, if someone with experience with these guys could give me some
advice, I'd appreciate it.  It would make both our lives a little
better. :-)


-- 
Dan Cogswell               dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu
From: swt@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Congo grey chewing
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:23:37 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Apr13.213130.4830@ultra.com>,
jeffj@ultra.com (Jeff Johnson) writes: 
> In article <1992Apr10.111133.11619@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> swt@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> =>In article <9APR199216013351@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>,
> =>ttkunat@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (DAVE KUNATH) writes: 
> =>> 
> =>> 	Can anyone give me the name of something that will keep my Grey 
> =>> busy ? 
> =>
> =>Here are some things that work for Keltset and Smokey (my apartmentmate's
> =>two greys)
> 
> And other things that work for Mad Max and Jessica (although they're 'toos)
> 
(some suggestions ommitted)
> 
> =>	interesting chewy food items (corn cobs, the inner cores of
> =>		pineapples, celery)
> 
> Please be careful about what kind of "cores" you give your birds.  Many
> fruit "cores," "pits," and "seeds" contain toxins.  For example, peach
> pits are a source of cyanide, and I think that apple seeds contain a
> toxin.  My bottom line is that I only give my birds the part of the
> fruit I would eat.  For example, I'd never give my bird a corn cob without
> the corn attached!

Good point; I know about the toxins you mentioned, and avocado pits are
of course deadly.  I'm pretty sure the corncobs are safe, because they're
used for small animal bedding, but I guess I can't swear by the pineapple
core although Bird Talk has never mentioned anything on the subject.  I
often give Smokey, Keltset and Clancy parts of foods that I wouldn't
eat, but not parts I *couldn't* eat if I wanted to (such as the leaves
from broccoli stalks, etc.)  I have munched on pineapple cores and have
found them edible but a little chewy.  The problem is, there are foods
which are poisonous or bad for birds but okay for people (avocado,
chocolate) so I don't know if this rule of thumb would work either.
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Subject: Re: Love birds
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:16:34 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <167C2ADC9.D1SAR@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU>, D1SAR@AKRONVM.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar) writes:
> What are the easiest birds to train to talk?
> Has anyone had any luck teaching love birds to talk?
>  
> Steve

I've had great luck with parakeets.  I have a male who has a tremendous
vocabulary, mimics everything he can and tries lots of other sounds.  

BUT, you must get an outgoing, active male.  AND it must be an only bird
that gets lots of attention from you and is bonded to you personally.

Grumpy the parakeet thinks he is a human.  Has no interest in the rest
of our birds at all.

Sue

PS.  I saw a local ad for Quaker parakeets (untamed) for $35.   That's
 really good price, how hard are they to tame?  Are they naturally mean?
From: kaw@lamar.ColoState.EDU (With)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: birds in walmart
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:15:18 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Apr13.215328.12228@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> bkelley@pms704.pms.ford.com (Brian Kelley) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.162448.17766@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bmartino@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob Martino) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr10.183535.181@unx.sas.com> sasefj@junebug.unx.sas.com (Edith
>
>Initially, I didn't have any good ideas on how to improve this situation.
>However, I just thought of something that just might help.  How about
>some paper stickers (the kind that really don't like to come off) which
>read something like 
>"BOYCOTT POORLY TREATED MASS MERCHANDISED BIRDS - BUY DIRECT FROM BREEDERS
>AND PET STORES!"
>
>These could be frequently stuck very near the glass cage area.   One

I would ammend the slogan to "...BUY DIRECT ONLY FROM BREEDERS".  Many
pet stores also receive their birds from mass-production outlets.  
How often have you seen a cage at a pet store crammed full with newly
arrived budgies?  Truly sickening.  This problem is analogous to
the puppy mill problem and many conscientious pet stores no longer
sell puppies and, in fact, offer services to help interested clients
in locating a reputable breeder for the desired breed of dog.  I
advocate a similar practice with respect to obtaining birds (or 
any animal, for that matter).  "Pet stores" would be for the sale
of feed and pet-related paraphenalia, but would only serve as
"brokers" in obtaining pets from reputable, accredited breeders in
my scenario.

Opinions?

Kimberly With
From: susan@solace.me.uiuc.edu (Susan Wrightson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Ronco ConureAlarm (tm) System!
Keywords: Loud, Louder, Loudest!
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:28:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr14.212838.27201
Organization: U of I Dept. of Mech. and Ind. Engr., Urbana, Ill.

In article <3mo2iB3w164w@gatecom.UUCP> kathyj@gatecom.UUCP (kathy johnson) writes:
>Sorry about that, I said I was new...anyway, your Jenday sounds just like MY 
>Jenday, Rio the original bird from Hell.  JinJin will outgrow the behavior, 
>but only if you put your foot down NOW and make her stop. Put her cage in a 
>room where you can close the blinds, cover her cage and IGNORE HER. If she 
>screams when she shouldn't, DO NOT go in there, do not speak to her, do not 
>go near the room or the cage until you are ready to. If you go in every time 
>she screams, she will learn that screaming calls you when she wants you, and 
>you'll never sleep again (trust me, I learned this the hard way). This 
>method of training requires consistency--never go to her when she screams at 
>any time of day. Wait till she is quiet or talks (if she does), then go pick 
>her up or feed her or whatever. If you are consistent about this, she will 
>learn to be quiet because quiet gets your attention. Good luck!


Yes, you have to be very careful that you don't reward the screaming at all!
You also want to try to get into the habit of never approaching the bird
the first thing in the morning or right after you come home -- they will
associate seeing you with getting immediate attention.

My sun conure Marley's cage is in my bedroom.  Usually it is still kinda
dark when I get up, so I don't turn on any lights until after I get out
of the shower.  Then I ignore him for about 15 minutes while I get ready.
Then he gets to come out and play.  He's gotten pretty used to this 
routine.  

On the weekends, I will occasionally sleep in, and if the room becomes
light, he becomes a little restless, but has never screamed.  I usually
partially cover his cage so the light doesn't affect him as quickly.
Any movement I make at this time gets his attention -- I've peeked at
him during this and it is really funny watching him keep an eye on me!
When I start moving but don't get up, he starts grunting impatiently.


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Question on breeding Cockatiels
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 11 Apr 92 11:58:05 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <3539@rosie.NeXT.COM>, colorado@venus.next.com (Delia Colorado (Temp)) writes:
> 
> Hi all!!
> My cockatiels' babies aren't even six weeks old and they already laid  
> eggs again.  Do they ever stop laying eggs, or is this something they  
> stop doing naturally?  Should I discourage their breeding by taking  
> the nest away?  I am not sure if it is ok for them to keep breeding  
> all the time.  Does anyone out there have any experience in the  
> subject that can help me out?  Thanks a lot,
> Delia

If this is only their second batch, you can go ahead and let them raise
more babies as long as you offer enough calcium in their diet.  I would
take the nest away as soon as you do not want them to breed any more.
Some females will just keep laying and laying until they lay themselves
to death.  
I wouldn't let them raise more than two clutches a year.

Sue
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: SLENDT@athena.unomaha.edu (STEVE LENDT - C&DC NETWORK )
Subject: Birdie does not like the change.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:36:01 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

   Now that spring is here, it was time to shave my winter facial hair.
Well our cockatoo does not approve of the change.  It knows my voice
but the change in looks has him very confused and prone to lunge and
bite (at me of course, he still loves is mom).  He gets the standard
puffed out and hunched down low apprearance.  I can get him to lay down
on my check and be petted (nothing new for a too).  But when he is
walking around he is very upset.
   Anyone have any suggestions?  Should I:
Give him time and watch my fingers and ears?
Give him the strong NO and put him in his cage (hates it there)?
Grab his beak when he tries to bite and demonstrate my place in the flock?
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: aschi@silver.lcs.mit.edu (aschi)
Subject: Re: Congo grey chewing
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 18:44:11 GMT

Try rawhide dog toys.... They're good and tough so they last more than 5 
minutes, and my step-mom's grey ADORES them to the point that he'll steal
them from the dog when she isn't looking...

--aschi

Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: robger@intellistor.com (Robert Gerovski)
Subject: Re: Cockatiel behavior
Organization: Intellistor, Longmont, CO
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 14:33:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.193830.637@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> bhtongue@highlander.Berkeley.EDU (Benson H Tongue) writes:
>Hi group. I've got a quick question vis a vis cockatiels. My young
>bird (under a year) has started a new behavior. He (she) (I'm not
>sure yet since it's a cinnamon so the coloration clues aren't
>definitive) gets down off of my shoulder onto the dining room table
>and walks around. He (she) keeps his (her) body low with the crest
>down against his (her) head, spreads his (her) wings slightly away
>from his (her) body and bobs his (her) head up and down as he (she)
>walks. This behavior is probably a major clue to his (her) sex. So
>how about it. Does this tell me whether I've got a male or female?
>Thanks
>Benson

Sounds like a mating ritual to me. Both of my grey males do this
every once in a while, Mostly in the spring. I can't say for sure
what sex your bird is because I have never owned a female.
--
Robert Gerovski
From: qhwpyd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Cynthia Goff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: RE: correction in my posting about our Goffin's
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:48:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44675
Distribution: usa


     The one sentence should have read that we would not trade Baxter for
anything in the world.  We do indeed love her alot.
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