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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:19:16 -0500 
From: Erik Lauer <el0g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: A&A - I think I found it!!!!
 <sf_Euk600VB=Q4z0VC@andrew.cmu.edu><1992Dec12.223920.1@vax.sonoma.edu> <cf=5Gku00VB=8=8Uwy@andrew.cmu.edu>
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oberland@vax.sonoma.edu , Joe writes:

>BAD play?  I have SHOWN that they have a bad choice to make.  Attack vs
>defense.  IF they think that I will attack, then they buy defense.  The
reverse
>holds true.  My plan is to do the OPPOSITE of wehat they prepare for, thereby
>forcing them into a worst-case battle.
>They build i, I spread out and force them to go on the offensive,
without extra
>tanks.
>They build a, I kill Karelia

OK, I have said many times what they do:
They build 8 inf in Karelia, put only 1 inf in the Caucuses.  They have
19 inf, 3 tanks, 2 fighters in Karelia, 1 tank in Russia.  Please tell
me what you build, and what you put where to make it so hard on them. 
You will not tell me, I do not know why.

>****THEY MOVE _BEFORE_ I DO****
>How in the hell are they going to read my mind and know if I will be defensive
>or offensive?
>
>The last game I played, and most I have played, they have left 2i or built
>an armor and had 18i in Karelia(the best option to counter my plans).
>The result, no matter what they do, is that they are toast by turn two.

I disagree.  I build 8 inf.  What does Germany do.

>Guess they are going to tanke me over with infantry?  WHat if I go defensive?
>3a and 2f is crap to attack with, and the 3a are dead on my counter-attacks.
>Hm.. 2f for turn 3.  Not good.
>
>Even IF I attack the 19i plan, they are left with too little to even take
>ukraine or caucasus back, unless UK takes Caucasus at heavy losses)
>-will explain later-

If you attack with less than the maximum available you are likely
getting destroyed.  What do you have in the Ukraine and the Caucaus?

>This depends if I send 2i OR 1a in(I CAN do either!)
>IF I do my first plan, there is too much to even bother with.
>TAKING Caucasus is a bonus, but not necessarry.  I am ONLY interested in
>kitting them HARRRRD for 3 turns, possibly 4 , and letting Japan coast in.
>If I fry myself on them, that is acceptable.  I can do so much attrition that
>UK and US have to waste resources propping up Russia.

>This depends if I send 2i OR 1a in(I CAN do either!)
>IF I do my first plan, there is too much to even bother with.
>TAKING Caucasus is a bonus, but not necessarry.  I am ONLY interested in
>kitting them HARRRRD for 3 turns, possibly 4 , and letting Japan coast in.
>If I fry myself on them, that is acceptable.  I can do so much attrition that
>UK and US have to waste resources propping up Russia.

True, though before I thought you were saying you were transporting from
Africa.

>ALSO, my previous statement is TRUE. they loose the i or the f.  loose the i
>and Caucasus is still mine!  That i is CRUCIAL to India's defense!  Get rid of
>it, and I will GLADLY take India over as Japan!  UK has to play
damage-control.
>Loose the F, and they don't have a prayer in Asia.

If Germany dies so quickly I do not think India is that crucial.

>Statisitcs SHOW that they have an average 2f in Karelia, and maybe 1 or 2a.
>This is not enough to survive my next attack!  UK has to send fighters in
>JUST to save Russia's butt!  I can keep up armor for 4 attacks.
>One or two remaining infantry will not keep Japan from backstabbing Russia.
>(You DID send something to reinforce your backside?-oops! It ALL went into
>Karelia for two turns!)
>Japan also cleans up fleeing units(even at the cost of their fighters)
that are
>trying to get to Karelia.
>Japan also bombs.

Please explain this.  Russia holds Karelia, Britain attacks Baltic with
2 fighters, Caucuses with fighter, bomber, inf.  Britain reinforces
Karelia with 2 inf, and lands planes there.  Japan can not do anything. 
Russia build 8 more inf in Karelia and put tank there.  Karelia has 1
1,11 2's and 4 4's.  What does Germany attack with to get good attrition?

>ONE NOTE: where the hell does that flak go?  You said it was moved out.  This
>seems like wishful thinking.  UNless you move the one in Russia, you
are out of
>luck.  looks like that flak is Japan's(the one`e that WAS in Russia)

Bingo, but Japan is not that advanced yet, I can move the AA guns back
on turn 3.

>Takiing it to Caucasus would mean that UK took it back at the loss of India.
They are anyway.

>I EXPLAINED.  They LOOSE India!  They cannot afford takng back Karelia,
which I
>have 2 a and 2i in Range to take right back!  
>THey would be stupid to take it back.  Remember...  you have to TAKE it back.
>if it is blank, it is still mine! 
>
>
>you forget!  THEY GO BEFORE I DO!  I HAVE THE OPTION OF WHAT TO DO!
>There is no guess-work!  At worst, they are crippled, at best, they loose
>on turn 2 or 3. Seems like an acceptable risk!
>You confuse me with tyour logic that unless I have a 100% chance of creaming
>you, then I shouldn't take the chance!  Leaving Russia with NO pieces other

No what I said is you probably lose in Karelia, which I think doomes you.

>than 2f is great! they cannot even take Ukraine, which has NOTHING in it!

What about the tank in Russia.  Since Britian took Caucuses back, the
tank survives, and can take Ukraine.  In fact, Britain can lan 1 inf
there.

>Joe
>P.S. Due to the length of this psot, I will submit my two plans in their
>entirety shortly. KEEP IN MIND THAT EACH PLAN HAS SEVERAL
VIARIANTS(small ones)
>I will attempt to EVEN add those.
>
>AFTER you do your plan, I will then rebutt with apan's, and we shall see how
>you survive a full round or two, with every country playing.
>(we will play a game, but not with dice, but with probabilities)
>
>Does this sound acceptable?  I would like to show you whait looks like
after one
>round(the state of the world).

Sure.  I look foward to it, though it may have to occur after winter break, OK?




Erik
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