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From: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao)
Subject: Re: Neal Anderson
Reply-To: bharat@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:26:08 GMT

billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

>In article <1685C12125.UC516349@mizzou1.missouri.edu> UC516349@mizzou1.missouri.edu (The Pseudo Edge) writes:

>     The main thing I noticed during the game was that, whenever Neal tried
>   to run there was NO hole to run through. Except for the TD run, the OL
>   never gave him a decent hole to hit. I dont know if its a coincidence or
>   what, but a RB can't be effective if there is no hole to at least try to
>   run through.

>Well, the Lions have invested big time in the DL over the last three years: 2
>#1, a #2, and a #3.  Unfortunately, the top two players there have run
>stuffing as a strength, and the pass rush is Detroit's biggest D weakness.
>So I guess I don't know for sure which was going on: was the bears OL just
>sucking wind on the run blocking (reasonable, looking at the recent personel
>moves) or was Detroit playing great run D?  I'm hoping for #2 personally.
>Maybe Terry Allen can do us all a favor and help clear up the matter.

I think the Detroit DL was partially responsible, but one thing I have
noticed about Neal is that he is not as good a runner up the middle,
period.  One the other hand, at the sweep he is devastating, if he can
just turn the corner.  Last year, with his injury he was unable to do
either effectively.

Not to say that he is bad, running up the middle, but plenty of other
backs are better than him at that, including Muster.  A while ago I
saw some films of Payton in his prime.  Boy, if there was a fractional
hole in the line, wham he was gone -- and it took the secondary to get
him down.  Absolutely amazing, with his poise and grace, and he didn't
even look like he was trying particularly hard...  it wasn't quite the
power running of Brown or smooth as silk moves of Allen, and yet had
both qualities...  simple amazing.

>Bill

>	Bill Mangione-Smith

Bharat
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Dolphins News - Clayton placed on IR
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:09:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.042632.4482@scubed.com> wilkins@scubed.com (Darin Wilkins) writes:
>In article <1868@ceylon.gte.com> chf0@harvey.gte.com (Curtis Fennell) writes:
>>According to Saturday's Boston Globe, Mark Clayton was put on injured
>>reserve and Jim Jensen was resigned.  Clayton has a strained disk (or
>>something like that) which he also had last year, but played with
>>anyway.
>
>>I hope Clayton isn't out too long - we need him.
>
>According to radio reports here (San Diego), it is possibly quite
>serious and he might miss half the season - or more.  Reportedly
>he has been sent to a specialist for diagnosis.  The disk problem
>is in his neck.  Does anyone have more info?

   Does this mean that Duper and Robert Clark will be the starters? 

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills are underdogs
Keywords: Niners Bills
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:19:54 GMT

In article <BuH5Ft.67v@acsu.buffalo.edu> jtbell@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jonny B.) writes:
>>In an article re: "Buffalo Bills are underdogs", jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM
>>(John P. Gloria) writes:
>
>>
>>Whoever wins, it's going to be a great game...
>
>	That's all that I have to say about it...I watch the games because I 
>love football...I do not watch games to make a profit...I don't bet. As for a 
>prediction...any given team can beat any given team on any given day...I just
>hope the Bills are the given victor on sunday!!!  :)
>
Well, the best team won this Sunday.  Anyone with any
objectivity will attest that an INT by Young towards
the end killed their drive.  The Bills played good,
obviously.

I must state though that both defenses were giving up
mucho yardage.  What was it, over a 1000 yards of total
yards between the Bills and Niners.   The Niners had
an edge in almost categories accept the final score.

Damn good game!


-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "I have great faith in fools - self-confidence my
   friends call it."        Edgar Allan Poe
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From: jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer)
Subject: Re: Two Great Plays (was Re: Cowboys 23, Redskins 10)
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:06:05 GMT

In article <18l3i1INN8kf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> jjs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph J. Shen) writes:
>but did anyone see that
>HIT that Emmitt Smith put on Green?  Emmitt rammed right into Darrell, laid
>him on his back, and then nonchalantly walked to the Cowboys sideline bench.
>I was screaming after that play.
>
>GO COWBOYS!!!!!
>-- 
>                                           
>				           Joe
>				     jjs11@po.cwru.edu

This reminds me of the time I saw Tony Dorsett run down and NAIL an opposing
player after a turnover.  I suppose that many great RB's would be just as
dominant if playing D.

Jim Carrasquer
jimcar@lmc.com

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From: cfh@cbnews.cb.att.com (chuck.himmelspach)
Subject: Bernie can't play DEFENSE too!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:57:19 GMT
Keywords: Marty reincarnated


Well, as he has done so often, Bernie got the Browns in position to win 
a game and the defense couldn't hold the lead. I could have sworn that I
saw the ghost of Marty Schottenheimer float down onto the Browns sideline
and whisper 'prevent-defense' into Belichick's ear. Why would you give a
quarterback of Marino's experience MORE time to throw than he usually has?

You gotta love Bernie's guts for hobbling around the field as he rallied the
Browns into the lead. The offense actually looked pretty decent in the
second half. (Maybe Belichick finally unveiled what they were working on
during the pre-season closed workouts.) The offensive line and the backs
gave Bernie a lot more time this week than last. And the defense played
pretty well in the second half too (if you throw out the last drive with
the prevent defense.). Hell, even Metcalf showed some flashes of being a pretty
decent player. Tommy Vardell gained close to 100 yards. (Kevin Who?)

Anyway, Browns fans have some things to be encouraged about this week as 
opposed to last week. I hope Bernie's foot injury is not serious.


Goooooo Browns,

Der Himmel
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From: easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu
Subject: Re: Buffalo loses another player on Defense
Originator: easchwei@c00005-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:37:31 GMT


In article <Bu464A.5u8@acsu.buffalo.edu>, evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations) writes:


|> In article <1992Sep5.124940.5304@ncsu.edu>, easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu  writes...
|> >I thought Reggie appeared to be "decent" enough the few times he actually
|> >got in the game.  He played well against the Colts as I remember.  He 
|> >was no Reggie White, but he was 100000000000% better than Lodish.
|> >Unfortunately for Bills fans, that guy that is still chewing the yellow
|> >stir-stick (the Bills idiot def. coor.) felt that Lodish was worth 
|> >keeping so got rid of Rogers.  (BTW, most def. coor. that want to
|> >coach in the NFL realize that a NT needs to weigh in at more than
|> >the starting linebackers.)
|> 
|> I disagree. The difference between Reggie Rogers and Mike Lodish is
|> the most basic skill that a DL must possess - quickness off the

I beg to disagree on this being a ``the most'' basic skill.  Just because
a guy is quick off the ball doesn't mean ^&*@#&*(^ as far as him being
a good DL.  Yes, great DL's are quick off the ball, but so are great
WR's.  Lodish is too damn small and should not be playing in the NFL.
Hell, he'd be cut in the WLAF.

|> ball. Rogers has none and what Lodish lacks in size he makes up for
|> in quickness and aggressiveness. (He is not very good at closing the
|> gap on running plays however and that is why many people don't like
|> him.)

You mean to tell me that you think Lodish, who spend entire games lieing
on his back pinned to the ground, is _quicker_ and more _aggressive_ than
some one else.  Sorry, if I laugh in your general direction!

The _only_ place Lodish is quicker and more aggressive than any other
NFL caliber DL is in the showers; after he's been pushed all over the field
for the entire game.  Remember that HUGE hole down near the goal line in
the last SB. Guess which pip-squeak DL was supposed to be there, but
was vaporized by a forearm block.  You only have one guess.

|> Rogers has done the same thing in Detroit, Buffalo and I fear it
|> will be the same in Tampa Bay: He shows some remarkable talent in
|> training camp and preseason, but come the regular season, he becomes
|> a total stiff.

This, sadly for Bucs fans, could come to pass.
|> 
|> Doug
|> 
|> 
|>                                   |                              Doug Evans
|>                                   | State University of New York at Buffalo
|>                                   |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
|> 
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From: timr@sco.COM (Tim Ruckle)
Subject: Upsets in week two (was: Upsets in week one)
Organization: The Gifted and the Damned
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:46:59 GMT
Summary: Bills, Bengals, & Steelers win
Keywords: toe that line baby toe that line, get up boy an' hit 'em one more time



} Who will it be tomorrow?  The Patriots over the favored but hapless
} Rams? (could happen)

but didn't...  Rams pick up their first, blanking the Pats 14-0.

} Defending AFC champs upset Niners at home? (hope not)

Damn damn damn!  What a shootout, though.  I think I lost ten pounds
and pulled a hamstring just watching it...

Bills edge Niners 34-31.  Shame on Seifert for putting in Cofer for a
47-yard field goal to tie.  There was plenty of time left to score a
touchdown, and plenty of 4th-and-9 plays with a better chance than the
Cofer kick.  I'd say more than anything else, the 49ers lost this one
when the head coach lost his nerve.

} The Colts defensive line stymie an INT happy Moon for
} another upset for both? (I think NOT)

NOT.  Oilers cover the 9.5 point spread with a 20-10 win over Indianapolis.

} Another Bengals upset over the Raiders?

Bingo.  24-20 in OT, after Land fumbled the kickoff when his own guy
speared him (that's *gotta* hurt).

} Yet another for the Steelers as well over the Jets?

Wuddya know, another one.  Steelers 27-10 over Jets.  What's this, unbeaten
Cincinnati and Pittsburgh leading the AFC Central?

} (Oh hell, I don't know...)  I guess that's why I'm not usually a betting
} man.

quick, what are the odds on a game having absolutely no punts? ;^)

} And as somebody has mentioned here before, the Vagas odds are not intended
} to be an accurate prediction of the game outcome per se--they're designed
} to, on average, make money for the house from folks who bet on football
} (which is not necessarily the same thing).

(whups, I must've mix'd up Vargas girls and Vegas odds somehow...)  Anyways,
if you made any money betting against the Niners this week I just hope the
game took years off your life--it did mine.

-timr

--
Much Wine had past with grave discourse, Of who Fucks who, and who does worse.

                          --Rochester in _Poems on Several Occasions_ (1680)
                            from the online Oxford English Dictionary
From: markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Buffalo Bills Info Wanted
Date: 7 Sep 92 14:03:06 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain


Anyone out there able to send me the Bills roster? *

Also, if there are any fans who could send me game reports I would
be utterly grateful, it takes time here in the UK and I can't afford
satellite or cable and my tv doesn't do Teletext. 

Is there no way of setting up a news service for ALL the NFL games?

Additionally, way to go against the Rams! :-) So, there is a defense
despite all the rantings... (or did the Rams offense do nothing?), trouble
is, I don't know -- all I know is the score! (40-7).


* I can only read/send mail/news, so FTP is a no-no.
-- 

 * Meeeow ! Call Spuddy on (0203) 638780/638693 for FREE mail & Usenet access *
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From: hammond@sys6.serum.kodak.com (Kevin Hammond (x37516))
Subject: Re: FINAL - Niners vs Bills
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:35:26 GMT

No gloating from this Bills fan.  The Bills beat the 9'ers, it was a big 
win, but both teams deserved to win.  The Bills defense was HORRIBLE again.
This is the 3rd consecutive year that the Bills have put a very bad defense
on the field.  Granted, they have a very young secondary now (except for 
old man Kelso, the slowest free saftey in the league - yeah, but he can't 
tackle either) and hopefully they will get better with experience, but 
yesterday's performance was not encouraging.

Anyway, being a fan who was around for the 2-14 seasons, I will simply
enjoy the fact that they are winning, no matter how they do it.  And no 
gloating, 2-14 may not be far away again.


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From: smerinofw01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: REQUEST: STATS
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 02:20:24 GMT

If any one can be bothered to post some stats from the weekend games and from 
the games in the future it would be much appreciated.  Thanks.
John.
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Dallas 23 Washington 10
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:29:29 GMT

Keith Lewis (lewis@aera8700.mitre.org) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep8.052459.2111@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, stapleto@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Kathy Stapleton) writes:
: >     Does anyone out there have any ideas as to WHY the Redskins were
: >not up to their Super Bowl form????  
: 
: One reason is holdouts.  The Redskins depend on massive coaching.  Green,
: Lachey, and Rypien all looked like they need ten more weeks of training
: camp.

Yeah, that must be it, 'cuz the Cowboys certainly didn't have that problem...

(well, other than Irvin, Novacek, Stepnoski, et al)

-- 
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Desmond and Deion light up the scoreboard ...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 17:50:53 GMT

... on *spectacular* Special Teams plays.

Brian Mitchell receives punt from Falcons at the Redskins 45-yd line, then
throws a beautiful cross-over pass to Desmond Howard who takes off for a
55 yard punt return.

SCORE:	Atlanta		 0
      2	Washington	14


Atlanta subsequently returns the favor ... Deion Sanders returns the kickoff
99 yards for a touchdown.

SCORE:	Atlanta		 7
      2	Washington	14


Brian Mitchell takes the ensuing kickoff to the Redskins 40-yard line ...


Bob - offense?  Just finishing lunch ...   :-)

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Miami's O-Line (was: Position Ratings)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:08:58 GMT

>>> (1) Marino - Simply amazing with the offensive lines he had to deal with.

Excuse me?!  Miami's offensive lines of the past 10 years were very
decent.  Last year was much worse than usual, partly because of
injuries.  But all those low sack numbers didn't just come from
Marino's quick release (though of course it's a big part).

Center Dwight Stephenson was a perenial All-Pro, and recently LT
Richmond Webb made All-Pro as a rookie (maybe even ROTY).  It should
tell you something when you see that Miami let Roy Foster go to Plan B
and he immediately became a starter in San Francisco.  And they didn't
release him on a whim -- it's just that they have good young people
doing the job.  I think that this will be the starters' third year
together, and no one is in more than in his 5th season.

The Fins' OL was (is?) weak in run-blocking, but never in pass-blocking.


--Gidi (go touchdown tommy)


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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:15:01 GMT

In <1992Sep10.140553.5880@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>It has to do with "unjust" calls that border on major stupidity!

Unjust???  Do you imply that (NFL-)refs are biased?  (1/2 :)

>I can accept a team winning on a Hail Mary pass or by luck. I
>cannot except the outcome of a game based on the Zebra dudes
>making the wrong call.

Please define 'luck'.  I personally include officiating mistakes
in luck factor.  They happen infrequently, sometimes against you,
sometimes for you.

And BTW, WHAT should be included in IR?  Remeber Monk's touchdown,
the IR couldn't have overthrown it if the ref had called for a
forced out-of-bounds (It could have been either way from the replay).
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Early Scores Update ...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:16:10 GMT

        Atlanta         14
    2   Washington      21
 
        LA Raiders      14	Jay Schroeder has two TD passes
    2   Cincinnati      14


Missed the radio call ... stepped out to get a soda  :-(


Bob - I *hate* it when that happens

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From: ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher Glenn Huegle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steelers win at Houston!
Date: 6 Sep 92 23:12:46 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Woodson played and had 2 interceptions....he also returned punts...

Eric Green started the game, but left after the first play with his 
nagging bruised shoulder and was in Civies the second half.

O'Donnell didn't have great stats( but they were still good stats), 
but most importently(and it can be argued it's the only important
thing) he got the job done....

Woodson wasn't the only one to pick off 2 but i can't remember the
other guys name :(

The Steelers pretty much dominated the clock.

Moon had a completion percentage but his yardage was low and
he tossed the 5 ints.

Barry Foster rushed for over 100 yards.  I expect him to go for over
1K for the season....

Jeff Graham was the man receiving  wise.  He had like 7 or 8 catches
and was around 100 yards.  It looks like he's going to be the number 2
man after Green gets back. ( read here that I think he's going to be 
better than Lipps this season)  

Stone had a few key reverses for 10+ yards each and he showed that
his speed will make him a deep threat again this year.

The O-Line did OK.  There problems were that they weren't opening gaps
early on (they did much better in the second half) and they had a lot of 
penalties.

The D-Line  put practically no pressure on Moon...this has to be 
the thing that should be of greatest concern (or maybe second..see below)
Moon just had all day to throw.  Plus they didn't stop the run to well either.
White had over 100 yards, although one of them was a 53 yard run :)

The secondary was pretty good. 5ints but they were getting beat short
a little to easily.

The linebackers due to the run and shoot had to buy tickets and just 
watched from the sidelines :)

Cowher deserves a lot of credit for this win.  He took risks (going for it on
4th and 4 (didn't work:) and fake punting (set up an easy TD for Foster)),
and most importantly, he associated well with the players, meaning he
kept there spirits and hopes up when they were down 14-0 early.  He
even smiled before the game was over.  He's very emotional and I like that.

Overall, the Oilers could have won it (Moon did have somewhat of an off
day) but the Steelers gave them a few TD's ( the first two definitely) so the 
Oilers shouldn't have been able to win it.  I was really impressed with how 
the team played considering how long they've had the system.   I now have
a BIG hope for the rest season....of course I always have :)
From: jblixt@neon.cdc.com (jon blixt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Position Ratings
Summary: The Best
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:44:39 GMT
Reply-To: jblixt@mips.COM (jon blixt)
Organization: Your Organization Goes Here

RB:
1) Thurman Thomas 
2) Barry Sanders
3) Emmit Smith - clearly :) the best three.
4) Neil Anderson - should return to form
5) Eric Dickerson - does he look good in black?

WR:
1) Jerry Rice - who else
2) Andre Reed - pound for pound, toughest receiver
3) Micheal Irvin - too good to be holding out
4) Sterling Sharpe - noone to pass him the ball
5) Anthony Carter - still smiling (no flames please)

QB:
1) Dan Marino - better QB than JOE, not a better player
2) Jim Kelly - when he's hot, game is over in the 1rst quarter.
3) Randall Cunningham - after injury, we'll see
4) John Elway - wins more games singlehandedly than anyone else
5) Warren Moon - may never show off in the superbowl

-Jon 
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From: daryl@dman.b24a.ingr.com (Daryl Owens)
Subject: NY JETS Scorers
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:48:28 GMT

If someone could post just briefly who scored for the Jets.  In
particular, Baxter (RB) and Moore (WR).  

   Yes, this is an FFL question.

Daryl Owens
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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Are the Buccaneers for real?
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:39:36 GMT
Organization: Bradley University



I almost thought it was foolish to draft Vinny Testeverde onto my FFL
league team.....

According to Headline News, this is Tampa Bay's first 2-0 start since 1980.
They're ranked first in the NFL in defense (granted, it was all against the
Cardinals and Packers, but first is first =-).

Testeverde was the Edge Player of the Week on ESPN.

All I can say is.....keep it up!  Could they actually beat the Bears?
We'll find out soon enough I guess.


A Bucs fan in Bears country....
davE
owner/GM, Peoria Gyrators

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