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From: lopi@di.unipi.it (Lopi)
Subject: Re: ac/dc
Organization: Dipartimento di Informatica, Universita' di Pisa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:49:57 GMT

<BKC100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

[ stuff deleted ]

>PS--- Just out of curiousity: Do the people posting stuff about AC/DC in this
>      group (and other r-n-r groups) know about the newsgroup:
>      "alt.rock-n-roll.acdc"???; Or is it just that some people don't have
>      access to it???
>                                Brian...

Do that group really exists ???
I never heard about alt.rock-n-roll.acdc !!!
How can this happen ? I've access to 
	alt.rock-n-roll
	alt.rock-n-roll.hard
	alt.rock-n-roll.metal
	alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr
	alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy

Are there other groups apart these ?
If yes, how can I access to them ? 

	Thanks in Advance,
	Fabio.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 10:54:08 CST
From: A.D. <U55052@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: MEGADETH IN CONCERT!
 <1992Nov9.032059.21768@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>

I'm going to see them on Nov. 25th at the UIC Pavillion in Chicago.
I got 9th row seats right in the middle.  They had a special ticket sale
for students.  This should be awesome for only $16.50.  I don't know too
much of Suicidal's stuff but I've heard their pretty good too!.
I'm expecting a kick ass show.

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*"Seek the Wolf in thy self"-MetallicA* Alex Doud =>U55052@uicvm.cc.uic.edu *
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From: alpet@ocf.berkeley.edu (Alex Petrushko)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Ministry's older stuff
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:27:01 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

In article <MPOUTANE.92Nov4193421@valerian.hut.fi> mpoutane@niksula.hut.fi (Matti Samuli Poutanen) writes:
>
>To my suprise, I found that a local record store had some of Ministry's older
>albums (well CD:s actually): "With Sympathy", "A mind is a terrible thing to
>waste" and some "Singles"-CD which had two versions of each of the four songs
>on it. I really like "Psalm  69" so I'd like some opinions on these albums.
>I'on a budget, so if you can, please rank the albums. I can't afford to buy
>them all now. How do these compare with "The land of rape and honey"? I have
>the lyrics to that one and it looks pretty interesting.
>
>--
>Matti Poutanen                     EMAIL: mpoutane@niksula.hut.fi
>Dept. of Physics		   ---------------------------------------
>Helsinki University of Technology  "You guys become more like me every week.
>Finland, Europe			    Soon you'll have afros and big dicks."
>							- Eddie Murphy

BUY THEM ALL! Btw, I think the album above is supposed to be "A Mind is a Ter -
rible Thing To Taste." Anyway, I have "Psalm 69", "AMIATTT" and "TLORAH."
They are all very good. Do not buy "Twitch" -- it is pop shit, and it is nothinglike current Ministry. For lyrics, ftp to cs.uwp.edu, and find the directory    with Ministry's lyrics. See my sig as well.


Besides the point, has anyone heard of a compilation called Metal Invaders?
I have Part I, and it is very awesome.  It has a lot of unknown bands, like
Violent Force and Angel Dust, of whom nobody ever heard, and they are pretty
damn good, IMHO.  

Also, does anybody listen to Sodom here? If yes, can you post a review of albumsafter "Persecution Mania," and compare them to "PM?"

Thanks, 


Alex.








-- 
"I know that I work for Time-Warner, one of the main purveyors of evil
 in the universe.  The way I see it, sometimes you have to rot the
 infrastructure from within." -Al Jourgensen
Organization: Sophomore, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Date: Sun,  8 Nov 1992 00:13:28 -0500 
From: W Darren Prouty <wp11+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Iron Maiden Question
	<1992Nov6.085111.18165@jyu.fi>

>QUESTION: What is the first IRON MAIDEN album, in which Janick Gers
>          appears ?

No Prayer For The Dying

He also plays on Bruce Dickenson's solo album if I'm not mistaken.

***********************************
 W.D.Prouty    wp11@andrew.cmu.edu
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   "Stupidity is much the same
       all the world over."

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: ghost@next04epsl.wam.umd.edu (.)
Subject: Re: BRUCE'S VOICE
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:47:35 GMT

In article <10NOV199215474770@rigel.tamu.edu> rpl1966@rigel.tamu.edu (RUDE  
DOG) writes:
> In article <1992Nov8.143636.60503@cc.usu.edu>, slgsn@cc.usu.edu  
writes...
> >WHAT'S UP WITH BRUCE? I THINK HE SUCKS. I USED TO LISTEN TO IRON MAIDEN  
MYSELF,
> >BUT I BAILED OUT ON THEM BECAUSE OF BRUCE'S SHITTY VOICE. HE SOUNDS  
LIKE HE'S
> >AN OPERA SINGER OR SOMETHING.
> >QUESTION-WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO PAUL DI'ANNO?(MAIDEN'S FIRST SINGER FOR  
THOSE OF
> >YOU WHO ARE MUSICALLY ILLITERATE)
> Paul left Iron Maiden, I bet he's kicking himself now, to start up a  
solo career
> The group was named something stupid, with Di'anno in it.  They made a  
couple of
> albums and died.  You might be able to find out more about him, if you  
could 
> find the name of his group.  Sorry I couldn't remember.
> 
> And now for the flame.  I think Bruce is doing a much better job than  
Paul ever
> did.  For your information, Paul frequently wore lace, and other such  
frilly
> things as that.  Now I'm not closed minded, and though fags do scare me  
a bit,
> I cannot ever imagine Iron Maiden being a group for fags.  Can you??
> 
> Well I guess that's about enough of that.
> 
> Rude Dog



i think Paul D'ianno was in a band called 'Praying Mantis' at one point
and Maiden's second guitarist Stratton was in 'Mantis w/ D'ianno
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:46:59 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Metallica live at Birmingham NEC 5/11/92

No fair, I thought we were lucky in Miami back in March when Nicko McBrain
(of Iron Maiden fame) came out of the audience to jam w/ Metallica on their
infamous cover of IM's "Run to the Hills"

Slainte mhath,

Mike
---
                     Mike Weintraub  mweintr@american.edu
                   The American University ----- Jvi on IRC
            "Life in two dimensions is a mass production scheme"
                         --Rush,  "Grand Designs"
From: schandr@eos.ncsu.edu (SUMIT  CHANDRA)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Killers
Date: 7 Nov 92 04:25:22 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

What up?  Killers and Soulitude Aeturnus played at Snooker's in Raleigh 
last night.  Interesting show to say the least, Didn't catch much of 
Soulitue Aeturnus but their singer is excellent by doom metal standards.

To the highlight of the evening, Killers, they gave a mixed performance.
Mostly comprised of stuff from the new album, and old Maiden stuff.

An incomplete track listing is as follows:

Impaler (opener)
Protector
Marshall Lockjaw
S & M
Children of the Revolution
Murders in the Rue Morgue
Strange World
Sanctuary (closer)
and one other song of the new album which slips my mind at the moment.

They had some sound problems, (fucked up tuner) so they were a bit
frustrated but overall they made the best of it and gave a good show.

Paul Di'anno has not lost his voice at all over the years, and he's 
still got the attitude that made him awesome.  Most of the crowd was
not too familiar with the Killers material, but the Maiden tunes really 
rocked.  They'll be touring up the east coast from what I understand 
including Va. Beach tonight.  Paul also said they'd be back in February
or March for the second leg of their tour.  It's worth it to see them
as they are quite talented and Di'anno is still fucking awesome.

Later,

Sumit
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: cons008@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chuck Hazlett)
Subject: Re: Ministry/Buttholes @ Lollapalooza (WAS Re: Ministry in Amsterdam)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:26:27 GMT

In article <BxH429.D03@askinc.ask.COM> robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) writes:
>In article <BxGrLv.AIK@nic.umass.edu>, Chuck Hazlett writes:
>>In article <1992Nov8.215123.29378@fwi.uva.nl> heederik@fwi.uva.nl (Robbert
>>Heed:
>>>Last friday, Ministry and Helmet played in the Paradiso in Amsterdam, The
>>>Netherlands. The place was totally sold out and people were offering 100
>
>>"Jesus..." wasn't played because Gibby Haynes of the Butthole Surfers
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This part's right.  Gibby, most likely, is not on Euro tour w/Ministry.
>
>>was the vocalist during the recordings _and_ live on the Lollapalooza
>>tour (since the Surfers were also on the L. tour).  I imagine that
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This, I'm not so sure about.  Were you in a time warp?  The Buttholes
>played at the *first* Lollapalooza (second band on, after Rollins and
>before Ice-T).  Minstry played on the *second* Lollapalooza tour (next
>to last on, before RHCP).
>
>Or, did Gibby show up to do the vox for the song where you saw
>Lollapalooza?  (I saw the first show of the tour, at Shoreline in
>Mountain View, CA, and they simply blew off "Jesus...".)
>
>>he's not going to follow Ministry around just so that they can play
>>"Jesus..." on tour.
>
>I'd assume you're correct here.
>
>What gives?  Did the Buttholes play on the side stage at Lollapalooza
>'92 when you saw them?  They didn't here.
>
>============================>Robert McMullen<============================
>
>    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of   
>   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for! 
>
>=========================>robert@askinc.ask.com<=========================
>

Gibby Haynes did do the vox on the L. tour over here.  I apologize.
I got the impression that this was done on the _whole_ tour.  I did
not see any of the bands prior to Ministry as well (read: ignored them,
fell asleep until M. played), and I simply assumed the Surfers played
before M.

-Chuck, the well chastised...
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,rec.music.misc
From: dwj@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Daniel W. James)
Subject: Re: Ministry's older stuff
Reply-To: ccpoabt!dan@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US
Organization: CCPOA Benefit Trust Fund
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 00:53:33 GMT

bfinney@nyx.cs.du.edu (Brody Finney) writes:

:)Avoid the early ones like the Plague!!!!  I don't own any of them, but have
:)heard parts of all.  Totally dance music.  Things brighten up a lot with
:)"Land of Rape and Honey."  This one is still dancy in places but is
:)definitly metaloid.  Features one of their best songs, "Stigmatized."  "A
:)Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste" is killer!  Much better than LORH, but
:)not as good as 69.  There is also a live disc called "In Case You Didn't
:)Feel Like Showing Up."  I don't own this one, but have heard its worth the
:)$$$.  Bottom like:  buy LORH, AMIATTTT, maybe the live one, and don't touch
:)anything else.

In case you didn't feel like showing up is also available on Video, and is
quite worth the money I think (even though I didn't pay for it).  It has a
very stimulating appearance from Jello...
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
  #include <stdisc.h>                       |  dan!ccpoabt@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US
      CCPOA Benefit Trust Fund              | ...!pacbell!sactoh0!ccpoabt!dwj
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:45:05 -0500 
From: Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kendrick+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: King Diamond
	<92315.110613U55052@uicvm.uic.edu>

>Who is King Diamond any way?
>I have been hearing a lot about him.  Is he any good?
>Any info will be appreciated.
>Please email any responses.
Guess who's gonna get swamped in almost duplicate e-mail . . . .

Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Dark Lord awaken!
From: djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man )
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: MINISTRY
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:51:21 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

bianc@next09cville.wam.umd.edu (WierdnesS) writes:

I heard that Ministry is touring with Helmet
if anyone has any info, well . . . . 
say something!


OK HERE I GO:
this has been plastered up here for a while...Ministry/Sepultura/Helmet are
on tour together...so if you miss this one..you miss a KICK ASS SHPOW..

Ministry/Sepultura/Helmet at the UIC Pavillion (chicago) november 27th

							the man
From: v050skzy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ricardo Melendez)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Garage Days CD for Sale--DON'T BUY IT!
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct27.135917.15599@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, mjjj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes...
>In article <1992Oct26.183610.24134@ncsu.edu>,
>cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRIS MICH GEORGOULIAS) writes: 
>> 
>> Metallica -The $9.98 CD, Garage Days Re-revisited
>> 
>> The last time this puppy was in the store, it displayed a disclaimer sticker 
>> about the price and was selling for $19.98.
>> 
>> So, the best offer I get for over $25 gets it.
> 
>Esqueeze me? Yahh!  As IF!  Please, don't anyone give this fool $25 for this
>still widely available album!  It's still available through Columbia for $9.98
>(or less) and in many stores.  Until this supply runs out, it's not worth
>paying $25 for the imported Vertigo version (no difference, except a few more
>pictures on the back).  
> 
>--Malevor
> 
> 
>> 
>> -Chris
>   ^^^^^ a money grubbing idiot
> 
> 
>>    
>>  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++                                                                           
>>  +      Chris Georgoulias                                                    +
>>  + North Carolina State University                                           +
>>  +     cmgeorg@eos.ncsu.edu                                                  +
>>  +                                                                           +
>>  +                                                                           +
>>  + "Aah... who cares about school...who cares about life...who cares about   +
>>  +  me.  Not me, that's for sure!  Look!...(punches himself in the head)..   +
>>  +  ...I just don't care!"                                                   +
>>  +                                       -Vyvian,  The Young Ones            +                                             
>>  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
it is true. I bought this album for just $9.98.  you don't
have to pay more for it.  don't buy it
From: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: 998 EP and all that
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:20:55 GMT
Reply-To: 2767hoffmanj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

Remeber though...(Regarding earlier posts)...the $9.98 Ep has been out of 
print for over a year (if not more)...it is damn near impossible to find
them in the Milwaukee/madison WI area anymore...at least for cheap....

so if you find them...buy them up...and sell them to collector scum...

Later
-justin
*****************************************************************************
-Grad student and record collector-scum-
Thank you.
*****************************************************************************\
From: ACSOP25@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Lance Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: RE: Last Crack
Date: 5 Nov 1992 02:43:52 GMT
Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: alf.appstate.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

I really like the Last Crack record.  The album was released on RoadRunner or
RoadRace.  It took me a while, but it kinda grows on you.  I saw them live 
w/Armored Saint and Wrathchild America in Hickory NC, all three bands were 
very good.  I believe that Buddo? has left the band.  If memory serves me, he
wanted to go back to college or something.  I met him and he is an extremely
nice guy.  Very quiet and reserved.  If the departure is true, I hope the new
line-up will be as good.

The Sinister One
From: iacs2210@Oswego.EDU (Bob Ternosky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Iron Maiden Lyrics
Keywords: First Album
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:37:38 GMT
Reply-To: iacs2210@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Bob Ternosky)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

Posting this for a friend.  Could someone e-mail an ftp site where I can
get a hold of the lyrics to Iron Maiden's first album.  My friend is trying
to figure out some lyrics.  

Thanks.

------------------------------
Bobby T @ Arctic Oswego NY

Fire..To begin whipping dance of the dead..blackened is the end...
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From: bradd@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (davis brad ian)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Mind Over Four
Summary: Mind Over Four Information
Keywords: metal
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:38:08 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana



Can anyone tell me what Mind Over Four has done except for "The Goddess"?

Are there any new albums or EP's?  I'm interested in all Mind Over Four
information.  Email me or post a message .


Brad - The Serpent God of Death
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: bianc@next09cville.wam.umd.edu (WierdnesS)
Subject: MINISTRY
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:44:27 GMT

I heard that Ministry is touring with Helmet


if anyone has any info, well . . . . 


say something!



LATER!




BIANC!
From: natek@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (D Nathan King)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: MEGADETH IN CONCERT!
Date: 9 Nov 1992 06:33:21 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

I saw the MEGADETH concert that was at the Worcester Centrum tonight
(Nov. 8...Sunday). It was totally awesome....The tickets were an unbelievable 
$16.50. Suicidal was okay, but MEGADSETH really sounded spectacular!!!!!! 
This is a definate must see concert for all those who are fans of MEGADETH. 
The place literally shook whenever Dave Mustaine came up to the mike. 
Dave was talking about how a lot of heavy metal bands are including a love
song or two on their newer albums. Dave said MEGADETH shouldn't have love song
in their repitoire, but they do....So he went on to the song itself...
"Tornado of Souls". A classic tale of boy meets girl, boy loves girl, girl 
doesn't like boy, boy kils girl.....A MEGADETH love song.
It was great!!!!!! I want to go again, and again, and again.....


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: dagt@dhhalden.no (DAG THALBERG)
Subject: Re: ManOwar Album
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:09:39 GMT

In article <BxL5tA.3J9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool) writes:
>From: mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool)
>Subject: Re: ManOwar Album
>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:29:32 GMT
>DAG THALBERG (dagt@dhhalden.no) wrote:
>: 
>: I think the new Manowar-album is their worst. I like the older 
>: stuff, like Battle Hyms and Hail To England! Even Fighting The World was 
>: better. I am very dissapointed! 
>
>I have to agree.  I didn't hear any songs on the new one that really caught
>a rhythm like "Blood of the Kings" or "Violence and BloodShed" do.  Most of
>the album sounded like them fucking around with their equipment.  The vocals
>for some reason didn't fit in with the songs.  Every cool guitar riff was 
>ruined by a hindering drum beat, and very often during the songs I got the
>feeling that they were just seeing how fast they could play.

Eric Adams' voice has become awful (don't misunderstand me, he is still one 
of the greatest HM-singers) compared to the older albums. 

>At least also when they read the story in _Kings_Of_Metal_ I could skip that
>track.  I can't skip the drum solos and bass solos in the whole 20 minute
>Achilles song.  

I usually skip the whole Achilles song, and only listen to the other half. 
They could have cutted the parts into own songs, and skipped the solos.

>All things considered, I liked the cover a lot, and reading the song names I
>thought they'd be pretty killer songs, and all I found was a bunch of 
>screwing around.  I was sorely disappointed, though I was impressed by their
>timing and stamina.

The only god thing about the album is the cover. Ken Kelly surely rises the 
impression of the three last albums.

> ____
>/ oo \  Mike McCool 
>\ .. /  mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
> ||||   
> \__/   "Well, you're certainly in touch with your anger."  --Frank Drebbin



                  
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                          goose-mail:                 
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From: jmalconi@ics.com (John Malconian)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Satan was their co-pilot
Keywords: Judas Priest
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:55:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Integrated Computer Solutions, Inc.


 Rob Halford has left the band some time ago, and therefore, fortunately has
escaped this horrible tragedy.  Whether or not they were shot down by
Shining Path guerillas is uncertain, since it could be negative propaganda
perpetrated by the government to lessen popular support.  X-Man- You
should definately double check your sources or you could upset some
hardcore Priest fans.  LOVE BITES!
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: where to get Candlemass and other metal T-shirts
From: mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Levin)
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:54:34 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


   Does anyone know a mail-order place that has metal T-shirts? I'm
specifically looking for the cover of Candlemass' "Epicus Doomicus
Metallicus", but am also interested in others. Any suggestions? Please
reply to mlevin@husc8.harvard.edu.

Mike Levin
From: sym@aber.ac.uk (Stuart McIntyre)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: kill em all
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:36:32 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

>at the amount of people who play guitar these days who have no conception of
>how to figure a song out on their own....

Did you do music as a kid by any chance?  I have found that those who
did are much better at playing by ear than those who have taken it up
more recently.  (It doen't matter which instrument).

I am trying to improve my ear; but I also read tab.  I also do music
theory and try to play by ear (not very well).  If people dont use tab,
music books etc, guitar playing will only be accessable to those lucky
enough to be gifted rather than those who wish to learn!

"Oh I don't read tab..." Did you figure all the chords and scales out
yourself? If not you are using other peoples knowledge to improve your
playing, just as anyone who does read tab does.

 
|-12-----------------11-12-|
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*double bend

Stuart
-- 
                  Stuart McIntyre    sym@uk.ac.aber

        B e   e x c e l l e n t   t o   e a c h   o t h e r
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