HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tkirby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Kirby)
Subject: Re: THE HIDDEN STORY OF THE L.A. REBELLION
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 07:09:14 GMT

ctorres@cco.caltech.edu (Chon David Torres) writes:

>what the hell does this have to with DRUGS? Keep this crap off this 
>group. I'd rather read about strychneine than see another post like that
>one.
>-chon
>-- 
>************************************************************************
******
>ctorres@cco.caltech.edu                  	     ctorres@juliet.caltech.ed
 
>************************************************************************
******
     This has a lot to do with the War on Some Drugs.  The WOSD has been
used an excuse to harass, torture, and imprison thousands of residents of
LA.  
 
     You should read the book The L.A. Secret Police.  It will help give
you a perspective on why the blacks of Los Angeles have a reason to fight
back, and why they might be so frightened and confused that they become
unable to fight the people who are really hurting them.  The WOSD is like
gasoline on this fire.
From: lamontg@carson.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MAOI & shrooms
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:50:46 GMT
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'

u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>Don't forget that the tryptamines and the beta-carbolines
>are VERY similar in structure - is it possible that the interaction
>is partly or wholely of some other nature?
>Is the metabolism of all tryptamines known to be generally via the
>MAO pathway (as this poster claims)? Refs?

<achm>

*bonk* *bonk* *bonk*

Just to remind you, OTC sympathomimetics become dangerous when a person
is on a MAOI.  Not due to any metabolic interference, etc, etc, etc.
But simply due to the combined synergy of MAOI NA elevation and
sympathomimetic NA elevation.  MAOIs also highly fuck with the seritonergic
system, and I wouldn't be surprised to find that tryptamines are directly
potentiated by the receptor pharmacology of MAOIs (or actually the receptor
pharmacology of the brain amines they elevate -- you know what I mean...).

Pardon me, I'm off to eat some cheese and red wine for lunch...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.flame,alt.culture.usenet
From: st1g9@rosie.uh.edu (Lee Preimesberger)
Subject: Oh God, make this go away (was Fuck You All)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:56:00 GMT

#>The way I see it, this is the intelligence scale of races, smartest
#>at the top...

	Actually this entire thread is a ploy by the Master Race to flush
the mentally unfit out of the gene pool.  Anyone seriously responding to it is 
instantly noted in their computer systems to be exterminated during the
Great Idiot Purge, scheduled soon after Elvis comes out of hiding and Ross
Perot reveals himself to be a space alien. :-)

			  Lee Preimesberger
st1g9@jetson.uh.edu ----- Undergraduate Scum ----- University of Houston, USA
         All models over 18.  Copyright (C) 1992 LP Productions.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville)
Subject: Eyedrops taken orally: effect?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:05:14 GMT

A friend of mine from Japan says that some friends of his use to put
eyedrops in their beers.  This supposedly made them get more intoxicated
than usual.
	They also took the eyedrops orally without other liquids, and got
really high.

Can anybody confirm this phenomenon, and provide more info?

Pretty weird.

--
John Sommerville (jes2x@Virginia.Edu)     "I'll see you in the trees..."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cb@wixer.cactus.org (Cyberspace Buddha)
Subject: Re: I was wondering if anyone here knows of any virtual reality group
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 20:07:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.105811.29087@dragon.acadiau.ca> 901371d@dragon.acadiau.ca (Danny DiDio) writes:
>Does anyone know of any virtual reality groups?
>

Possibly.  What might you call a VR group?  I know a few folks that have VR
setups, and bigger corps that sell VR equipment...

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Subject: Drying out weed
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: international
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:32:40 GMT

So... if you have a large batch of WET weed, what is the best way to dry
it out?  I need a method that will remove the minty taste from leaf material.


ANyone OUt THere KNow of a good way to do this?



muffy
mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu

-- 
It is better to light a candle then to curse the darkness....
mtymp15@epx.cis.umn.edu  OR  muffman@tfsquad.mn.org

meow
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MAOI & shrooms
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:43:15 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

In <HABA.92Sep9005916@lesti.hut.fi> haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen) writes:

>The effective substance in the shrooms is psilocin. Psilocin, however, is
>only mildly effective. Psilocin is metabolized into more potent psilocybin

Boy, it's been a while, but I think it is the opposite -- Psilocybin
has to be de-phosphoralised to be active. Some mushrooms have both
substances, incidentally. Psilocyn is not very stable, as I recall, 
and I think it turns blue as it oxidises.

John (who used to know a lot about neuro-chemistry, but no longer
cares all that much)
-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
From: accom@terapin.com (Andrew Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Smart drug sources...
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:24:53 PST
Organization: BBS

Does anyone know any addresses for companies from overseas to order Smart drugs
who's mail is NOT blocked by the FDA?? Seeya!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: top 10 reasons why drugs are bad
Organization: American Math. Society
Distribution: talk.politics.drugs
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:28:41 GMT

Drugs are bad for the following reasons:

10) They make the police take away your property without even having to 
    charge you with a crime.
9)  My mother says so.
8)  They make you go to jail for using them in the privacy of your own home.
7)  Possessing them is illegal, even though some are merely plants that grow
    wild in every state.
6)  Some of them make you hurl, even the legal ones.
5)  They are making our government spend a lot of money.
4)  George Bush says so.
3)  They can make you think wierd things.
2)  They make you just say "no" all the time.  
1)  I forgot.  Drugs must've ruint my memory.
From: ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MAOI & shrooms
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:25:40 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <HABA.92Sep9005916@lesti.hut.fi> haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen) writes:
>The effective substance in the shrooms is psilocin. Psilocin, however, is
>only mildly effective. 

If I'm not too badly brain damaged yet the effective substance in shrooms is
psilocybin, and psilocin is 1.4 times as potent as psilocybin. 
--
Petrus.Pennanen@helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: LSD recipies
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Sep14.215346.2797@mits.mdata.fi>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:45:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.215346.2797@mits.mdata.fi> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:

  >Don't forget CHROMOSOME DAMAGE! And INSANITY! Seriously, what it will make
  >you do is puke. After that, you get drowsy. With a high dose of the LSA and
  >related compounds extracted from the seeds combined with a few tokes of good
  >hash might produce some interesting effects.

I don't know about the extract, but I've NEVER puked from woodrose
seeds, and they don't make me drowsy.  On the contrary, they seem to
have quite the opposite effect, especially in the initial stages.
Then it becomes very much like an LSD trip.  Oh, and hash is illegal,
but woodrose seeds aren't.
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From: mcbeeb@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Brian Mcbee)
Subject: Re: mushroom cultivation
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 03:25:53 GMT

In article <Bu9LBp.J6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>Actually, all the books I've seen over-complicate things, though
>the one by Oss and Oeric (who, coincidentally, were Albert
>Hofmann's lab assistants at Sandoz and had to develop techniques
>for cultivation the mushrooms) is the best I've seen by far.
>

Not! Oss and Oeric are actually the McKenna brothers in cognito.  

I recommend Paul Stamets' _The Mushroom Cultivator_.
From: honig@ruffles.ICS.UCI.EDU ("David A. Honig")
Subject: Quiz Time
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:38:15 GMT


1) According to the DSM (III), what drug can one be dependent on but not
abuse?

2) Name 3 drug-categories that one can abuse but not be dependent upon?

3) Name a drug that cops know cause nystagmus.  For extra credit, name another.


Ans:
1) tobacco
2) cannabis, hallucinogens, cocaine
3) PCP.  MDMA does too.

If these confuse you, look up the DSM defs of substance dependence and
abuse.  Simply, dependence means you get physical withdrawl, abuse means
you're harming some aspect of your life.

(Note that back then (when the III was put out) it was possible to say in
print that use != abuse.)

DH
"To get to the new paradigm, you don't just think about what it would be
like.  You put down stakes and try to start living in it."  Marc Weiser,
head of Comp Sci Lab, Xerox PARC, as reported in Advanced Imaging  Aug 92

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Subject: Re: Aus smokers - ACT decriminalises mull..
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:19:52 GMT

In <1992Sep12.030306.334@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

>In article <ck.716194296@iconix.oz.au>, ck@iconix (Chris Karadaglis) writes:
>>"ACT reform puts law out to grass"
>>
>>People caught with small quantities of marijuana will have to pay only an
>>on-the-spot fine under new laws passed yesterday by the Australian Capital
>>Territory Legislative Assembly.

>What - this is decriminalization?  Then Finland is also considering
>decriminalization!

It's much, much better than being done for "possesion", going to court, 
having a record and generally leaving yourself open to harrasment from
police for months to come.

>>While payment of the $100 fine will mean admitting guilt, no criminal record
>>will exist under the legislation introduced by Independent MLA Micheal Moore
>>and supported by the Labor minority government.

>>People possessing up to 25 grams (wow!) of marijuana or five cannibis plants 
>>will have 60 days to pay the fine.

This is a fair bit of mull, probably the absolute maximum I would ever consider
holding for use. I've never dealt and during personal use I'm the most 
harmless person I know. Suits me fine. (pity I don't live there...)

>//Jyrki

Shckwish!

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: giovanni@wpi.WPI.EDU (Giovanni S Capriglione)
Subject: legal high
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:32:59 GMT

Was wondering if anyone had a comprehensive list of legal drugs like moring glory, hawaiian primrose, etc.  Also some places which sell them like nature stores, etc....
From: cjf49655@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: New designer drug
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:08:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Jon Luckey) writes:

>aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:


>> Before the chemists out there turn on their flamers, I want to correct an
>>error in my last post on this subject. I said something about OXIDATION of
>>cathinone into ephedrine, but I MEANT REDUCTION. How could I have been so
>                ^^^^^^^^^
>>silly?

>Wow, does this mean that people can turn SUDAFED into cathinone just
>oxidizing it?  :)

sudafed is psuedoephedrine, not ephedrine.  of course, ephedrine is over the    counter too, but i believe in the original post he said that the cathinone was
one reduction or oxidation or whatever from getting to ephedrine, which sounds  to me that you could mke ephedrine from the cathinone. oh boy.


-- 
Chuck Falzone
cjf49655@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Trip tapes (audio) and trading dubs?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 13:09:28 GMT




Look into the ORB unless things that sound suspiciously like
dance music upset you.  (It's not dance music generally, most
of it is too sedate and "ambient").
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
                That's right, remember there is a big difference
                   between kneeling down and bending over...
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: MAOI & shrooms
Date: 11 Sep 92 07:07:36 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Sep10.142208.20595@polaris.utu.fi>, eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.202318.7177@mits.mdata.fi> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>>haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen) writes:
>>
>>>The effective substance in the shrooms is psilocin. Psilocin, however, is
>>>only mildly effective. Psilocin is metabolized into more potent psilocybin
>>>Using MAOI would slow/stop metabolism of the effective substance. Therefore,
>>>using MAOI would make psilocin *less* potent. 
>>
>>   You've got it a little backwards. Psilocybin is the phosphoric acid
>>ester of psilocin (4-OH-N,N-dimethyltryptamine). Psilocybin is metabolized
>>into psilocin. As far as I know, MAO has nothing to do with this.
> 
> Just to complicate things more, I would think, since psilocybin is a 
> monoamine,
> MAO inhibitor should slow down its metabolism.

To complicate things further, this is not necessarily the full story.
I don't quite know what the exact definition of monoamine is in this
context, (both DMT and 4-OH-DMT have two nitrogens, although one is
on the indole ring, both have a trisubstituted amine functionality),
but let us say that psiloc(yb)in falls into the category of
monoamine for this purpose, and that like DMT, it might be
metabolised by monoamine oxidase. Now, presumably, the rate
of metabolism is orders of magnitude different from that
of DMT, since their durations are different, and the short
duration of DMT is supposedly related to its rapid metabolism by MAO.
This poses the question: what is the primary means by which psiloc(yb)in
is inactivated? If the answer is by MAO, then yes, indeed,
MAOI will potentiate psiloc(yb)in. If the answer is is
by some other enzyme or pathway, then then no, MAOI
will not potentiate psiloc(yb)in.
Anyone know offhand exactly how psilocin is primarily
inactivated in vivo? I'm sure someone has studied this,
but I have always tended to gloss over the metabolic
studies in favour of effect reports and structure-activity
relationships.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
From: jcollier@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Heroin (and the mythology of "drugs")
Date: 8 Sep 92 09:06:58 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne, Australia

For an interesting view on the mythology of heroin in our society, and
its role in social control, see the relevant chapter in _From Genesis
to Genocide_, MIT Press, by S. L.  Chorover, the MIT physiological
psychologist. Chapters on other myths that are used for social control
are equally interesting, but Chorover's account in the preface about
how he became curious about "drug" research (actually, that should
have been drug "research") as sponsored by the US Government, and how
this led to his investigations into social control, is of special
interest to this group.
-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
From: tetra@cup.portal.com (daniel TetraHedon willits)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: New designer drug
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:27:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Alan Harder writes:
   > ...ingredients include acetone, toluene, muriatic or hydrochloric acid
   > officials said."

   > Coming soon to a dealer near your!

Coming soon to a dealer near your favorite mortuary it sounds like!  I can't
imagine what one could really concoct out of those ingredients except perhaps
some rather nasty, vaporous solvent.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Eyedrops taken orally: effect?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:52:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.020514.28077@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville) writes:
>A friend of mine from Japan says that some friends of his use to put
>eyedrops in their beers.  This supposedly made them get more intoxicated
>than usual.
>	They also took the eyedrops orally without other liquids, and got
>really high.
>Can anybody confirm this phenomenon, and provide more info?

You don't provide enough information to comment intelligently.
Like, what's IN the eyedrops, or at least their brandname (the
first is far preferable.)  Otherwise, there's nothing you can say.

There are no eyedrops in the US where you could "get high" by ingesting them.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:44:54 -0500

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:

>jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:

>>   If heroin is converted to morphine in vivo, why is it five times more
>>potent? Does it cross the blood-brain barrier better?
>>-- 

>	I've read it as being 1.5 to 2.5 as potent.   I believe the 
>reason is that is crosses the bb barrier faster and more effeciently.

Heroin is diacetylmorphine.  In this form, morphine crosses the blood-
brain barrier much more efficiently than in the pure morphine form.
Thus, more morphine gets to the brain when it is in the heroin form.
Now, as to WHY this phenomenon occurs, I'll leave to others to
explain, if, in fact, the explanation is known.
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu

"I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."
                       --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tkirby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Kirby)
Subject: Re: Idea for a New Drug
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 06:45:57 GMT


     I know of no psychoactive drug that "turns brains into oatmeal".  I
am sure that alcohol might be one, but it destroys the liver much faster.
 
     Are you promoting the idea that psychoactives must necessarily be
damaging?
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Desmanthus question
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:42:51 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Sep4.230425.23179@ctr.columbia.edu>, locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu writes:
> 
> I've just gotten an "of the jungle..." catalogue. It states that desmanthus
> has some indole alkaloids (other than DMT & company) in trace quantities
> that inhibits the growth of seedlings. The suggestion was use of the extraction
> as a natural herbicide. Anyone (Steve?) have a reference for this?
> Do all indole alkaloids have this effect?
> The label "herbicide" has rather negative connotations. 

My advice: go back to the paper from which all of this started:
it is in J.Agric.Food Chem., 1986 (or thereabouts). It describes
the contents of Desmanthus, and also the cytotoxic effects of
the substances on tomato seedlings.
I wouldn't be too worried about this; plenty of people seem
to have used D.illinoensis without ill effect.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:06:04 -0400 
From: "Charles D. Nichols" <cn0p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Idea for a New Drug

> 
>I remain skeptical about the psychoactive properties of magnetic
>fields and await some hard data on the subject.
>-- 
>paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu

>In article <92253.193957NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu> <NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>  You have probably have heard of Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR).  This is
>>  Anyway, when they put you into one of these machines they strap you
in to >kee
>>p all movement to a minimum.  Why.  Because it causes a REALLY strong
magnetic
>>field which affects the cells within your body, your brain also.  If
you move >w
>>hile in this strong magnetic field, a force is exerted perpendicular to your
>>direction of travel,  the effect--instant pudding for brains.


NMR, a new psychoactive, turning brains into oatmeal????? Excuse me
while I laugh myself silly!  There is a 500FT NMR close to my lab, its
been there for years, I've even been very close to many NMR machines
(while they are running mind you).  I like to think that I still have a
brain that isn't mush.  If only they were were psychoactive :)

CDN
From: voss@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (stephen voss)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: somethings to ponder...
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:11:35 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

popular myths
-------------
1)Atheists are left wing types
---------
many atheists are actually republicans cause they figure I can do 
anything now beacuse once im dead i wont have anyone to answer to.
2)drug users are mostly uneducated poor people
most mj users have at least some college education.while freebase users 
tend to be burnt out professionals. The drugs of the lower classes tend 
to be crack and heroin. While lsd seems to have a scattering among a 
broad economic base
From: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Definition of an addict.
Date: 16 Sep 1992 04:43:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) says:

>: >What does the threat of nuclear war have to do with the treating or
>: >curing of alcoholism? Ever hear of a "straw man" argument?
>: 
>: Why do we keep getting into the same kind of trouble (war and
>: the threat of war), even though we don't want to....but STILL
>: think we're in control ??   ....[alcoholic-type behavior]
>
>Because the governments of the various countries need something to
>take the minds of the masses away from the real problems facing them.
>People think they are in control since the politicians have them
>convinced that they control government through voting. The only
>problem is, when the establishment selects the candidates, then
>it doesn't matter much who you vote for.

If a candidate for public office uses my argument, you, as an
opponent, CANNOT use the argument you wrote above---if you
*really* want to be elected.  Therefore, your argument is invalid
in a public debate.
-- 
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"Endeavor to persevere"
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