From: jlzhong@focus.csl.uiuc.edu (Jialin Zhong)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: Change my strength?
Date: 22 Nov 1992 11:17:30 GMT
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Hi Tero,

cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand) writes:

>In article <1endjmINNifl@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> jlzhong@uirvli.csl.uiuc.edu (Jialin Zhong) writes:
>>While believe or not, I will never set my rank to 3.5UFO (only an example)
>>although UFO is some kind of standard on igs. The whole thing is not which
>>ranking system is better. Igs is only an informal forum for go lovers to have
>>a place to play. Any ranking system, even the UFO system, is not and will not
>>be perfect. So what is the point? As I and Youyi pointed out before, play with
>[cut]

>You know, this thing cuts both ways. You say you don't understand why
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>some people want a ranking system, but what _I_ don't understand is why
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>some people (not you, necessarily, you might not just give a damn

I said, if you read my posting again and carefully, that I did not understand
why some people were so worried about other people's ranking. I hope you
quote me right if you want to quote. Be frank with you, what I mean is that
I don't understand why, for example, a 7kyu worries about whether a 7 dan is
a real 7 dan or not. Do you think the worry is necessary? What I don't give
a damn is not which particular ranking system (I happen to have the view that
there is no perfect way to rank players on igs, too bad). I don't give a damn
to whether or not someone who I don't even know is a true 7kyu (only as an 
example) or not. I am more concerned about the game than how other people
should be properly ranked.

>(frankly)) seem to vehemently *oppose* the idea. My view: as long as you
>can still set the rank manually, and the server doesn't force handicaps
>according to rank, those that don't care about ranks can continue to do
>so.

Okey, so what is the point? There still will be a mass on igs.


>And one more thing. Setting an arbitrary rating system seems silly to
>me. Whatever system you use, anybody who has had enough brains to learn
>go can easily calculate the equivalent kyu/dan rating.


Yes, it is kind of arbitrary, or more properly put it, self-estimating.
However, I believe most player's rankings are set for some reasons. Once
they found they were overrated, they would lower their ranking to a 
relatively proper one. I noticed several cases in which 6 dans lower to 5 dans.
Of course, there are some notorious cases (like my 8d joke :)). I would
just ignore them whenever they ask me for a game.


>	Tero Sand, 2 kyu
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>intestinal disorder, not a revelation." - Reverend Jerry Falwell



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