HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Subject: Re: THIS NEWSGROUP
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:17:16 GMT
Organization: Disorganization Datorganization

In <14na32INNirs@network.ucsd.edu> valerie@ucsd.edu (Valerie Polichar) writes:

>In article <1992Jul23.054437.3206@panix.com>, rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding) writes:
>[...deleted complaint about the followers of Jesus]
>> Also, perhaps we should be contacting the sysadmins at the sites of
>> the offending xtians and request that their accounts be terminated.
>> It would seem only fair.

>Oh dear, Reuben.  If this is the only sort of offensive action you can come up with,
>I am indeed disappointed; surely a satanist should have deeper resources.  I can
>think of a number... but actually, the exchange is sort of amusing and Mr. Marshall
>is trying rather hard, for a Christian, to figure out what is going on...

>All hail Pan!  And damn the torpedoes.


I wasn't trying to be offensive, I was trying to make a point. 
Everything I am would offend miserable fools like Evan. 
He has no power to doubt.


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From: valerie@ucsd.edu (Valerie Polichar)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: QUESTIONS
Date: 23 Jul 1992 22:02:46 GMT
Organization: UCSD Network Operations
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigblack.ucsd.edu

In article <1992Jul23.122444.5752@iscsvax.uni.edu>, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes: 
> How is the entity, Satan, involved with satanism?  Is he a figure of worship, a
> god, etc.?

One way of viewing Satan is an allegorical figure which represents the values of
independence, strength, creativity, power, courage, intelligence, deviousness,
self-respect, self-protection, and humour (at least), from which some of us may
draw what you might call "inspiration."  I do not view him as a figure of worship.
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
Subject: The Prophet (or the profit)
Reply-To: cc697@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Oppen)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 09:47:43 GMT


If we're going to have people quoting holy books at us and saying
that we'd better believe or else, maybe I can get in on the act.
Herewith, from the Book of Technomad:

"Yea, and in those days, there was a NET, and the net did spread,
and did cover all the lands.
"And on that NET were many users, both male and female used they
it, and there was much rejoicing.
"But lo, even as there was a serpent in Eden, (and keep your 
phallic-symbol nonsense OUT of this, Sigmund!), there were those
who behaved as idiots, even jackasses,
"And they did shriek, even in inappropriate groups, of sin and
repentence, and all did repent their presence mightily, and were
sore wearied of them."
 Amen.
-- 
Technomad.  Portmanteau word from a novel I'm roughing out, about
a nomadic culture in a "cyberpunk" dark future.  I thought it up
before Cyberpunk 2020 ever came out.  On ISCA and Quartz, they
know me as a Flame-god.  cc697@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: valerie@ucsd.edu (Valerie Polichar)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: GOOD morning.
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:58:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCSD Network Operations
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigblack.ucsd.edu

moon!cyberden!impmat@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>All Satanists are Christians.
     Nope.
>All Satanists believe in a higher power.
     Nope.
>Most Satanists are painfully conventional and uninteresting.
     Nope.
>I am not a Christian.
     So what?
>Therefore I can't be a Satanist.
     So what?
>In order to be a Satanist you must believe in God.
     Nope.
>For the most part people who can allow themselves to believe in God
>are boring and conventional.
     Possibly.
>This is why most Satanists are boring and predictable.
     Then don't hang out with us.
>People who believe in Social Darwinism are not neccessarily Satanists.
     So what?
>They tend to be a little more interesting than Satanists(Christians).
     How nice for you.


rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding) writes:
> Gee pal, I'm a Satanist and *I* don't believe in God, or a "higher power."
> Some of us use Satan as a symbol, a role model. To be a satan-IST is to
> utilize Satan. In my case to utilize this symbol is not necessarily to worship it.

Then, marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> That doesn't sound like Satanism.  Sounds like you're just a rude atheist or a
> vile self-worshipper.

Huh?  Shouldn't it be the Satanists who define Satanism?

Valerie Polichar
----------------
                and it could come to be that way,
                your hand, here, the heat of
                no sun and none of my hearts entwined,
                just that deep river
                pouring from my fingers into your open eyes
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Subject: Re: Sin but still go to heaven?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:11:39 GMT
Organization: Disorganization Datorganization

In <1992Jul21.101404.5707@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>How are you sure that there is no God?  Do you have evidence to support your
>viewpoint?  Obviously, the Bible is not fiction.  It gives accurate accounts of
>prove the existance of Christ than there is to prove the existance of Abe
>Lincoln.

The burden lies with the propogator of an idea tp prove his
claim. If I said there are pink elephants on Mars there is no
evidence to disprove this claim, but the burden would rest on
me to provide some sort of reason for this claim.

The existence of God has not been disproven true, but to say that the bible
provides accurate historical information is a chancey statement.
The bible claims that people lived to be hundereds of years old
and that they heard voices of god and other unlikely things. 

We have Abe Lincoln's signature, and a corpse to go with it. 
God hasn't been as generous in providing proof of his existence.
 
>Are you sure that your's is?  What's to say that you just haven't looked into
>it.  Just denying the existance of God doesn't make Him not real.  I can deny
>that you exist, but in truth you do.  If you are sure that there is no God,
>then why do you go through so much trouble to look in newsgroups about
>spirituality?

This newsgroup is about SATANISM, which in its most popular form
has nothing to do with spiritualism, or spirituality.
 
If you would like to talkj about the existence of "God" please 
address followups to a Christian newsgroup.


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From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Lost Books of the Bible
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:43:11 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul24.172636.25675@ccu.umanitoba.ca> roholdr@ccu.umanitoba.ca (R Ross Holder Jr) writes:
>In <1992Jul24.040610.14955@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>
>
>>	While this techinically may belong in another newsgroup, I thought
>>I'd try my luck here.  Has anyone read it and do you recommend it.  I've 
>>heard a few excerpts from it, and think that if what is contained therein is
>>true or at least supported by some historical reference, it may be of great
>>interest to Satanists.
>>	Included within (from what I've heard):
>>	
>>	- A passage where Jesus, playing on the Sabbath, creates clay figures
>>	  which he proceeds to bring to life.  A fellow child tells him that
>>	  it isn't right to do that and jc proceeds to kill him.
>
>This is a slightly different version of the story from a Christian pseudo-
>gospel that was told me by a Lutheran minister many moons ago.  In it,
>Christ, while in school, was part of a class instructed to create clay
>pigeons.  Another child approached Christ and confidently declared that his
>pigeon was better.  It was here that Christ caused his pigeons to come to
>life.
>
	Hmm... Interesting.  Perhaps the parable appears in a watered-down
form in current texts.

>>	- A passage where jc is walking with joseph when a young boy accident-
>>	  ally runs into him and knocks him down.  "As thou hast laid me down,
>>	  so shalt thou fall," jc says, "nor to ever rise."  And the boy falls
>>	  down dead.
>>	- Info on who ordered what portions to be stricken from subsequent
>>	  versions of the bible and why.
>
>I have no information about these.  They certainly don't sound very Christ-
>like, though, do they?
>
	I guess that's why they were stricken.  They didn't fit in with the
popular ideology.  I don't know if any of this is true or not (that's what
I'm trying to determine).  It may very well be just as dubious as the
King James bible or the Avon Necronomicon.

					Raymond H. Rich


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From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Satan
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:31:11 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul31.021559.21832@panix.com>, rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding) writes:
> In <kgqPoB2w164w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!impmat@well.sf.ca.us writes:
> 
>>All Satanists are Christians.  All Satanists believe in a higher power.  
>>Most Satanists are painfully conventional and uninteresting.  I am not a 
>>Christian.  Therefore I can't be a Satanist.  In order to be a Satanist 
>>you must believe in God.  For the most part people who can allow 
>>themselves to believe in God are boring and conventional.  This is why 
>>most Satanists are boring and predictable.  People who believe in Social 
>>Darwinism are not neccessarily Satanists.  They tend to be a little more 
>>interesting than Satanists(Christians).  Good Night
> 
> Gee pal, I'm a Satanist and *I* don't believe in God, or a "higher power."
> Some of us use Satan as a symbol, a role model. To be a satan-IST is to
> utilize Satan. In my case to utilize this symbol is not necessarily to
> worship it. Nighty night. . .

That doesn't sound like Satanism.  Sounds like you're just a rude atheist or a
vile self-worshipper.


> 
>  
> -- 
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> |  Reuben Radding         rdr@panix.com       cmcl2!panix!rdr  |
> |==============================================================|
> | ******************* Marrou / Lord in 1992 ****************** | 


Whatever,
Evan
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: THIS NEWSGROUP
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:51:03 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

It seems that before this flaming discussion on God in this newsgroup, there
was nothing but stupid and moronic postings.  (Hence why someone asked if there
were any real satanists out there.  And look, there are...now.)  If the goal of
satanism was to be as stupid as possible, then why go through the trouble of
creating a newsgroup?  Obviously, there were some deeper things to be discussed
here than someones sexual fantasies, etc...  Satanism does involve
spirituality, just as Christianity does.  Should there be a group for
spirituality?  I don't think so.  But some of us Christian Crusader's thoughts
about the reverse of Christian faith (satanism) should be welcome (like when
the atheist talk about the bible constantly).  At least I have tryed to print
information that could be used as evidence or another question, rather than
just spitting out "NO--YOU'RE WRONG"'s left and right with references to vomit.

Any good opinions should be expressed NOW!

Also, any Christians that read this group often, please contact me and tell me
what's up.

Love God, Hate Sin!
Evan Marshall
marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:29:19 -0400 
From: "Andrew E. Switala" <as7y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sin to Heaven? NO.
	<1992Jul20.224215.5691@iscsvax.uni.edu>

POOR ALWAYS BE WITH US?  BLESSED ARE THE POOR IN SPIRIT.  HOW LONG WILL THE
WICKED GO AGAINST GOD.  YOU ARE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST GOD.  HOW LONG WILL YOU
FIGHT AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT?

This is a perfect example of the Christian attitude.  Some people on
this net argue his beliefs, and he equates it with being wicked and
going against God.  Every possible argument with a Christian
Fundamentalist, most Catholics, and quite a few people from other
Christian sects will end up this way.  They all simply contend that they
are correct by divine right and anyone who dares argue with them is
wrong and, therefore, wicked.  Arguing with someone who is always right
is the most pointless thing in the world.
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: QUESTIONS
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:33:49 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul23.122444.5752@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>I have many questions now.  First which is WHY?  Why have you forsaken,
>not-followed, or not cared to think about --- God?
>
	WHY do you assume that we have not cared to think about your god.

Perhaps it is you who hasn't done enough thinking.  We have forsaken your god
because it is readily apparent that such belief lies unsupported by any
tangible evidence.  It is irrational and unnecessary.  Why should I follow an
imaginary god.  Your religion is 3/4 faith and 1/4 show-business.  I don't
subscribe to that philosophy.  I prefer a religion that is 7/8 thought and
1/8 show-business.

>How is the entity, Satan, involved with satanism?  Is he a figure of worship, a
>god, etc.?
>
	He is a literary personification of man's carnal nature.  It is used
in reference and not necessarily "worshipped".  Laveyan Satanists, in fact,
don't believe in a being called Satan.

>If he is your god, then why deny the existance of God the Father or Christ?
>
	Why must all believers in a god follow only your god?  Is it hard to
comprehend that there are many gods for various religions, each very different.

>Is this all a struggle between light and dark?
>
	No, but xians have made it so.

>What books are to be believed (or are we all just lost atheists daring to
>imagine false gods)?
>
	Bingo.

>These are just a few that I could think of right now.  More will follow.
>
>Evan Marshall
>marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu

	Raymond H. Rich
	Devil's Advocate
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: vampires(satanists)
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:53:37 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Jul29.173523.9041@uoft02.utoledo.edu> pvittal@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
>hi
>is there any relation between vampires and satanists?
>just curious!
>ray

	Yeah, we all burn in sunlight.

					Get Real!
						Ray
  
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson)
Subject: Re: Sin but still go to heaven?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:13:31 GMT

heh heh -- this is seriously fun!  arguing with some clown about his religion.
maybe we should get a moderator for 'alt.satanism' so we can keep this kind
of dissention out of here, and thus continue in our normal satanic 
conversations.  it seems to work on the xtian groups to keep out 'blasphemors'.

In article <1992Jul21.101404.5707@iscsvax.uni.edu> marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>How are you sure that there is no God?  Do you have evidence to support your
>viewpoint?  Obviously, the Bible is not fiction.  It gives accurate accounts of
>civilizations from the past.  There is more proof in your average library to
>prove the existance of Christ than there is to prove the existance of Abe
>Lincoln.

How are you sure there is a god?  Why should I spend my entire life worshipping
an invisible god when I can spend it worshiping a bar of soap.  (hey -- don't
cut down my religion -- **AT LEAST I HAVE A VISIBLE SAVIOR**).  I don't deny
the existence of Christ, I just poke fun at all the other xtian bullshit.

How can you completely and totally conclude that the bible is not fiction?
Any _idiot_ can tell you that 99% of the bible is horse pucky.

>> And your reason isn't functioning. Soon, however, nanotechnology will
>> make clearing out athrosclerotic plaques a routine medical procedure.
>> Restoring reason to a mind, however, is not something they will be
>> able to do for you. I'm afraid you'll have to suffer indefinately.
>> 
>Are you sure that your's is?  What's to say that you just haven't looked into
>it.  Just denying the existance of God doesn't make Him not real.  I can deny
>that you exist, but in truth you do.  If you are sure that there is no God,
>then why do you go through so much trouble to look in newsgroups about
>spirituality?

What's to say that you haven't locked into it, yourself, for not worshipping
the almighty bar of Ivory?  I laugh at your feeble god because he is 
unsanitary.  

Xtian newsgroups:  They censor us because they cannot handle alternate
viewpoints.  

>* Evan Marshall
>* marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu

-marc
andersom@spot.colorado.edu
From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: THIS NEWSGROUP
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:44:37 GMT
Organization: Disorganization Datorganization


A number of times I've suggested that when the xtians start
bawling in this newsgroup it is probably best to simply ignore
them. If they recieve no response from us some of them will stop
their nonsense, some won't, but that's what kill files are for!
Unfortunately it seems that every time one of these Bozo's pops
up their tauntings are entertained. Hell, even I felt the need to
make a point to Evan. But as you can see by his MANY postings
and refusal to listen to reason, it's a big waste of anyone's
time to converse with him.

It really burns me up that these practitioners of situational
ethics see no reason why they should refrain from bothering us in
this newsgroup. If we did the same to them they'd be outraged.
But to them it's justifiable to torment us because they're
supposedly working for the lord and "saving" us.

So, once again I move that all regular readers of alt.satanism
ignore the ramblings of xtians and stick to our own adgenda.

Also, perhaps we should be contacting the sysadmins at the sites of
the offending xtians and request that their accounts be terminated.
It would seem only fair.

 
 
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| ******************* Marrou / Lord in 1992 ****************** | 
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: hoagy@ais.org (Matthew Rupert)
Subject: Re: Sin but still go to heaven?
Organization: Kampus Krusade for Kush
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:09:04 GMT

marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu did speak previously, and did say thus:
>
>How are you sure that there is no God?  Do you have evidence to support your
>viewpoint?  Obviously, the Bible is not fiction.  It gives accurate accounts of
>civilizations from the past.  There is more proof in your average library to
>prove the existance of Christ than there is to prove the existance of Abe
>Lincoln.

Seems that you're missing the point here.  Accounts of civilizations
are fine...claiming the book is proof of divine existance is another.
Your 'proof' is nothing more than words which could have been written
no less than 300 years ago.  Check out some of the references, and you'll
see most of the so-called 'biblical texts' were written about, oh,
500 years or less in our time.

>Are you sure that your's is?  What's to say that you just haven't looked into
>it.  Just denying the existance of God doesn't make Him not real.  I can deny
>that you exist, but in truth you do.  If you are sure that there is no God,
>then why do you go through so much trouble to look in newsgroups about
>spirituality?

Saying he does exist doesn't prove a thing, either.  Your reasoning is
faulty, and assumptions are all you have , much like non-xians.
This is alt.satanism, not a "He's there!  No he's not" group.
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Explainations
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:30:07 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Reuben, it seems that you are more harsh and lack understanding more than I
could imagine.

It was not an emphasis or "better-than-you" type when I WROTE IN ALL-CAPS.  It
was done that way to clean up the article, so not to have millions of >  >>  
>>>   >>>>> and so-forth.

Craig (or whoever), that CRAIG scripture was cute.  Write a book and sell it
rather than waste it on me.

If you can't handle that Craig, then whatever.


Always in Christ,
Evan Marshall
marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
From: andreasa@sofus.dhhalden.no (ANDREAS ARFF)
Subject: Re: What about an automatic HHGKG editor
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:55:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.125044@IASTATE.EDU> kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) writes:

>In article <1992Jul26.121944.10924@vela.acs.oakland.edu>,
>swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob or Eddie Froman depending on the moon)
>writes:
>> In article <andreasa.58@sofus.dhhalden.no> andreasa@sofus.dhhalden.no (ANDREAS
>ARFF) writes:
>> >Couldn't you consider an automatic editor that would insert all the
>> >format flags for a text.
>> 
>> It sure would be nice, but let's consider all that would be involved:
>[long list deleted]

>  You are missing a very simple method.  A menu choice "Create article".  When
>called it would bring up a window with boxes for each of the header types (ie.
>Title:__________  Author:_______ etc.)  Only when that box is Okayed would you
>enter the editor itself (or perhaps just a prompt for a file name).

>  This way the person can just write a raw article, and have the flags prompted
>for.  This makes it alot easier on the writer, and allows lots more flags to be
>added without imposing an extra burden of memorizing them all.

>***********************************************************************
>* Warren Kurt   *  "Bones, quick!  He's choking!"                     *
>* vonRoeschlaub *  "Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a . . . oh yeah!"   *
>***********************************************************************
It was something like that I thought of.
Writting this post I'm using the newsreader trumpet. On the top of the screen
there are a couple of edit-fields named
Newsgroup
Subject
Keywords
Summary
Distribution
And a large editfield, but mayby the approch with a box with questions would 
be better. Good thinking Warren.

Arff

sig's on 1000 mile service
              --Andreas Arff  andreasa@sofus.dhhalden.no--
From: abw@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Andy Wardley)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: I'm back....but where are you?
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:00:12 GMT
Organization: International Computers Limited

Well after six months of frustration I've finally got a news feed back.
Eagerly I head straight for a.g-g to see if all my old buddies are there.
Zip.

Is anyone still listening?

Cheers
Andy
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: gopher or wais access?
Followup-To: alt.galactic-guide
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 12:17:51 GMT

Has anyone considered making the guide available by gopher or wais?


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