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From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Child's Education
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:20:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep01.190409.2220091@locus.com>
judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>On 28-Aug-92 in Child's Education
>user Catharine Robshaw@cs.tor writes:
>>I would be interested to hear how others have handled saving for their
>>children's secondary education (hopefully they will all be going!)
>>
>
>I recommend US Savings Bonds.  They are a safe long term investment (as
>safe as US currency) and if you make them out in the children's names and
>keep them in a safe, the children get a big kick out of seeing their very
>own money.  It also gives relatives a way to give gifts if they feel (like
>my Dad does) that your children have too many toys.
>--
>Judy Leedom Tyrer
>
>"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"        - William Blake
 
  If you make them out in your own name, you get some sort of tax break
when you use them for tuition when the kids are in college.  But they must
be in your own name and this benefit applies to recent bonds (after 1989?).
  Stocks are a good gift and you can avoid brokerage fees when you get into
a DRIP (Dividend Reinvestment Plan) of a company.  Not all companies have
DRIPs (McDonald's does).  Some companies (about seven in all that I know of)
allow you to buy one share directly from them to start your participation in
the DRIP.  Other companies require that you have at least one share that you
have bought through a broker;  then you can join the DRIP.
  Misc.Invest has a FAQ on DRIPs.
  Aggressive mutual funds (such as 20th Century Ultra, no plug intended here,
just an example) are really ideal for long-term investing - I think of 18
years as long-term investing.
  Diversification and all that good investment advice you read apply to
the task of saving for a child's college tuition.  Most important of all,
and absolutely the hardest for me, is to save REGULARLY (every week or month).
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
From: swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:54:59 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <21439@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>> EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup) writes:
> [c-section under general anesthesia]
>>Even though it's been 14 mo, I still feel greatly disappointed that I missed
>>my son's birth.
> 
> I delivered vaginally, my last dose of Nubane was 5.5 hours before the
> birth, and I feel I "missed" my son's birth.  I keep asking my husband
> to re-tell it, since each time he adds some new detail I wasn't really
> aware of at the time.  
> 

Except, I had a completely natural birth, no epis., no drugs, etc.  I was
fully conscious, etc., etc., etc., etc.

And there were things I missed to.  My husband's recollection and my
recollection of what went on in the delivery room are different.  We 
both remember some things, didn't notice others and so on.  It takes
both of us to tell the story for a third person to get an idea of 
everything that went on.

As I said in e-mail to the original poster, I have never yet met a 
woman who didn't feel like she "missed" something regarding her 
pregnancy, delivery or post-partum experience.  Emotionally, this
is a very volatile subject.  We have preconceived (good pun, eh?)
notions about what it will be like, what we'll feel like, etc., etc., 
etc.  The reality is never what we expected.  Thus, we feel we 
"missed" some aspect.  

My son was premature and I had no choice but to experience a drug 
free labor.  I feel I *missed* part of the experience because I 
was concentrating on the pain.  Because he was premature, it was
assumed I didn't need an epis, so I tore.  I feel like I *missed*
a good post-partum experience because of that situation.  I
was bed-fast the last 9 weeks of my pregnancy, so I feel like I
*missed* a normal pregnancy.

My son's birth was so much more joyous than even my wildest imagination
could conjure.  In reality, I didn't miss a thing.

Connie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: Morning siiiiicccccckkkknesssssss.......ulp. ulp
Keywords: nasuea, sick, barf!
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 16:25:14 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)

In article <21962@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL>, lev@ipxed5.nswses.navy.mil (Lloyd E Vancil) writes:
|> 
|> for my friend sandra.....
|> 
|> Does anyone out there have a remedy for morning
|> sickness other than post partum?
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> help please!
|> 
|> 

You might try the wrist bands that people use when sailing to
avoid sea sickness.  I've been looking all around for them,
but you can probably purchase them at a store that sells
sailing equipment.

Leigh Ann
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:58:32 GMT

In article <17fu2jINN1dq@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s22.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
>
>Okay, I only pretend to know English, but doesn't "for us as parents"
>imply "for all parents"?
>
>
Let's look at set theory.  Set a = Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
Set b = Atheists, Agnostics and Pagans.

Now, the first part of the passage identified the set to which this person
belonged (set A).  Subsequently (here's the English lesson) the pronoun
"us" referenced the set previously defined.  The term "as parents" was an
adendum identifying the subset of A which is made up of Christian parents,
Jewish parents, and Muslim parents.   (Okay, the set was acutally defined
as Christian, but I wanted to generalize to better illustrate my point).

Now, since you are in set B, "us" in no way refers to you.  Therefore, you
could parse the sentence as 

"It would be negligent for us as  members of set A, who are also parents, 
NOT to teach our children about God."

There is no indictment of implication regarding any member of set B, parent
or not.



-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.books
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sand under Swings?
Date: 2 Sep 92 04:30:13 GMT
	<LOWRY.92Sep1143330@rotor.watson.ibm.com>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

When I was out traveling to Yosemite, I stopped at a park where they
had a wonderful 'new' substance -- it was little tiny chips of rubber,
made from recycled tires. The guy who managed the park happened to be
there at the time, and they loved it.

My daughter has gotten more than her share of splinters from what we
call 'tan bark', and when it's been wet, it has stained her clothing
with stains that even bleach didn't remove. :-(

I think the pea gravel is also a good idea - so long as you don't have
any more babies who are going to try and eat (and possibly choke on)
it.

When I wanted to put rocks under our built in fireplace grill, I got
the largest cobbles I could, so that there wouldn't be a choking or
throwing/digging hazard. So what happens? The toddlers/preschoolers
love to see how far they can carry these huge stones (the size of an
adult fist or larger)!!! But they're easy to spot on the lawn, for
mowing safety, and I don't think they're that likely to be picked up
by the mower anyways!
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
From: mueller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Nancy Mueller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Travelling at 30 weeks?
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:31:48 GMT
Reply-To: mueller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Nancy Mueller)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD



How late into your pregnancy is it safe to fly?

I had planned to fly from Baltimore, Md to Phoenix, Az for
Christmas, to visit my family.  My husband is very concerned
because I will be entering my third trimester (30 weeks).  He
feels because it is not an urgent situation, that we should
not take the risk.  I, however, am not sure of what risks there
are.  If anyone has any information or experience with this
type of situation, I would appreciate any and all replies.

Thank you.

Nancy
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: toddler carseats
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 20:40:49 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner) writes:

> In article <cXo0PB5w164w@glnserv.UUCP>, kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) write
> |> I have noticed that my 2YO son is almost to the point of outgrowing his
> |> baby carseat. Since I would like to move him to the booster variety, I
> |> would like to know what kinds are best. thanks.
> |>
> |> PS: I saw some in a thrift shop that looked okay on the surface, but upon
> |> closer inspection, I noticed each one had a small crack in the plastic. So
> |> if you do want to buy one used, check it over VERY carefully. I think I'll
> |> just get a new one.
> I also have a question regarding when it's okay to use booster
> seats versus regular car seats.  Is there a particular height/
> weight??  Age??
>
> Leigh Ann

Texas law states that a child must be in a carseat until s/he is 4 years
old.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rickc@agora.rain.com (Rick Coates)
Subject: One of each (was: Re: differences between boys and girls)
Keywords: Boys Girls
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:50:38 GMT

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.202632.4100@bcrka451.bnr.ca> seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson) writes:
>>What is to be gained by establishing differences between boys and girls?
>>It appears that there is a difference between the *average* male and the
>>*average* female.  But so what?  The individual differences *among* males,
>>and *among* females are far greater than the differences between the 
>>averages.  Why should we want to use average characteristics to limit
>>our children?  Labelling "boy" characteristics and "girl" characteristics
>>discourages children of the other gender from displaying these characteristics.
>>We need some people who are gentle and sensitive.  We need some people who
>>are bold and aggressive.  Some people like to dress up, and some people
>>like to get dirty.

[and maybe both in the same person]

>>                    Let's raise our children to be *people*, and to use
>>whatever innate characteristics they have to the best of their abilities.
>>

>  That's what I feel too.

Count me in, too.

>                           Which brings me to another question.
>  Why are people (most people I know) so obsessed about having
>  at least one boy and one girl?  I've asked people what's wrong
>  with two boys or two girls or three boys or three girls and
>  people (including my husband) think "Oh no, you've got to
>  have at least one of each."

"We'll have three children, one of each kind!"
			Woody Allen, Love and Death

>  There are people who keep trying (have 7 boys in a row)
 Five, in my sister's case (all boys). 

>  I don't, I might end up with a lot of kids.  Help!!!

I suspect you'll handle this ok...

>  {p.s.  Don't take the Help!!! seriously.  I know how
>  "helpful" this group is, and the last few times I've posted
>  for "advice" I got reams of "helpful" mail ranging from 
>  accusing my m-i-l of child abuse (for over-feeding my son) to
>  people calling my husband an unconcerned father.  I really
>  won't end up with a ton of kids, since I'm sure my husband
>  will take what he gets.  It's just the attitude of a lot
>  of people who insist on "a pair" or "one of each" that
>  bothers me.}

Hey, Usenet is people - you get the good & the bad (not to mention the ugly...)

>  I just want to know what others think about this topic.
>  Thanks!

I have one of each (only two, though).  For some reason, I just assumed
that I would have a girl with the second, though it turned out different.

I would also put in a plug for just one.  When it comes down to telling
people how many kids they should have, and what gender they should be,
we have really lost it.  (There is even a feeling that you should have
the boy first...)

You do get comments, though.  Having one of each, people act like we've
done something 'right'.  Good grief.

Rick

rickc@agora.rain.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kapa@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (k.a.perkins)
Subject: Re: God's family values
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:08:08 GMT
Summary: how about advertising?

In article <bandor.714197591@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au>, bandor@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor) writes:
> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
> 
> > i view someon prosletyzing my daughter as roughly equivalent to
> >exposing their genitals to her.  worse, actually.  she's SEEN
> >genitals before.

Well, I hope she's actually met people with different points of
view than her family's before, too.  This has nothing to do with
what your particular family believes, it has to do with the
exchange of ideas.  You can't build a wall around your family and
say, "This is what we believe and it is truth.  Those who believe
differently are evil."  There is a difference between saying that
those who disagree with you are wrong and saying that they are evil
or equating them with child molesters.  While you might feel that
this is what others do and regard it as wrong in them, you might
consider that you are doing the same.

How do you feel about your daughter seeing advertising?  You know,
those folks that want to convince your daughter that she's in big
trouble if she doesn't have the right jeans and shoes and other clothes.
How about the religion of consumerism that most people pay money
to invite into their homes (buy a TV, buy cable, buy magazines
and newspapers, etc.) to prosletyze them?
How do you feel about her watching political advertising, in which
Party A claims that Party B are immoral spendthrifts and Party B
claims that Party A is 1)lying about them and 2) immoral heartless
total incompetents.

I think your energy is misdirected if you get all up in arms about
some TV preacher or someone who tries to drop off literature
at your house a couple of times a year.  There's a lot worse ideas
that your kids could be exposed to than the Christian religion.
Furthermore, other parties are competing for their hearts, minds,
and pocketbooks every day, all the time, and IMHO, it's of little
concern to some of those parties what means they use to get their
way.

> Well I'm concerned about what people tell my children too. I don't
> quite see people prosletyzing as "exposing their genitals" to them
> though. I think it's a good thing if people with different views to
> mine occasionally tell my kids what they believe. A long term,
> deliberate, programme of indoctrination would bother me. Someone on a
> street corner wouldn't.

I hate to sound like such a redneck, but this is America.  People
have a constitutional right to free speech.  You can't control what
ideas your kids are going to be exposed to or even the ones they're
going to adopt.

Kate Perkins
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Subject: Re: differences between boys and girls
Keywords: Boys Girls
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:13:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.184030.10271@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>
>Well in our case part of it is because we see things in each other that we
>think would be great if we could pass on to a child of the same sex.  For
>example I'd love to have a girl who grew up like her mother, knowing how to
>use tools (one day I should tell you the story of the blue stool)...
>
>Cheryl would love to have a boy grow up to be like me...one who cooks,
>cleans, does laundry, and wonders why more women who get slapped around by
>men don't permanently rearrange their skulls with the nearest chair.

Sorry, Keith, this is admirable but with thinking like this, what you're
sure to get is a little girl who wants _dresses_ and _Barbies_.
(Take it from someone who's been there--my mother dispaired with me
because I was such a tomboy; my daughter is the child my mother
always wanted).

Sue
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Thursday, 27 Aug 1992 13:35:12 EST
From: <ELDREDGE@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Cries in Carseat


In article <1684E6B4C.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>, CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
(Teresa Creech) says:
>
>I have a friend with a 6 week old baby boy.  She called in tears last night.
>Seems that Charles HATES to ride in the car in his carseat.  He cried all the
>way home from the hospital ( 1 1/2 hours) when he was discharged.  He has
>cried during almost every car ride he has taken since then (including a trip
>from Kentucky to Flordia :^( ).
>
>Since the trip to Flordia (when he spent many hours snuggled in Moms lap
>because they couldn't stand the screaming)

I read all the responses to your original post before responding and no one
mentioned that here (Florida) a man was recently brought up on manslaughter
charges in the death of his infant daughter when she flew out of the window
and was killed when his car struck another in an intersection.  This was
about 2 years ago, and no, I don't know how it came out.  The accident et al
happened in South Florida and Central Florida news didn't carry it after the
initial announcement.

Cynthia Eldredge                             University of Central Florida
James's mama (1/30/92)                       Orlando, FL
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with words to _Puff the Magic Dragon_
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:09:36 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug28.190328.26810@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
> A dragon lives forever but not so little boys

That's the way it is in the original.  Now, when they sing it in concert,
they sing ``but not so girls and boys''.

> Painted wings and giant things (?)

Giant's rings.

> When I was in high school, deep in the early 70's, an English
> teacher told us that song was drug-related.  Figure?

PP&M have always denied it.  Though I think they like that one better
than the Vietnam-era gunship nicknamed ``Puff''.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gbk@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (g.b.karlovsky)
Subject: Re: Sushi during pregnancy - is it bad?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:36:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.195707.2213239@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>>Although I haven't any statistics, I'd guess that if one were concerned
>>about salmonella (which diane mentioned), avoiding chicken would be
>>indicated.  
>
>A little education on salmonella (and something everyone should know and do
>because I've had the disease and you DO NOT WANT IT).  Salmonella is found
>in raw chicken.  Cooking the chicken removes the salmonella.  However, it
>passes easily from hands, knives, and cutting boards into other foods.  So,
>if you put your raw chicken on the cutting board and then do not use soap
>to wash the board before making your salad, the salmonella will get on the
>salad.  And because it is not cooked, you can catch the disease.
>
>So, whenever you touch raw chicken, make sure that your hands and any kitchen
>utensils and surfaces that also touched the raw chicken are immediately 
>washed down with soap and water. 


In regard to washing utensils, etc, this is MOST important with a
wooden cutting board.  Be sure not only to wash with soap and hot water,
but to SCRUB the surface of it... The chicken "stuff" can get into
cracks and crevices...

	Gail Karlovsky
	(gail.karlovsky@att.com)
 

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day )
Subject: Re: Tax-deductible Childcare Expenses?
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:53:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.162747.9606@nwra.com>, mark@nwra.com (Mark) wrote:
> 
> I've heard that it's possible to (legally) not pay income tax on
> the cost of child care. My understanding is that it must be done
> through one's employer with "pretax dollars" - like a 401k. You don't
> fill out your tax return with childcare deducted. You just never see
> the money in your taxable pay.
> 
> Does anyone know the details of how this is done, if it really is
> possible?
> 
>     )_ _               -------------------------------------------    
>    /  ) ) _        /       Mark Baldwin - mark@sparky.nwra.com
>   /  / / / / /\_  /_/  Northwest Research Associates, Bellevue, WA
>  /  / /_(_/_/  (_/ \__ -------------------------------------------  

Your employer has to be set up for this.  It's called DCAP (Dependent
Care Assistance Program).  Mine is and I just got my
first re-imbursement check!  They deduct pretax dollars (up to 
$5000 max per year for both spouses working), then I submit a 
form (almost like insurance) and receipts from my daycare for the
amounts.  A couple of weeks later, a check arrives.  I love it!  Since
the money comes out pre-tax, we don't even notice it's gone.  I'd 
almost forgotten about it when the check came, so it was like a 
bonus (okay, not quite ;-)!

Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Subject: Re: Children's Book-of-the-Month Club
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:04:13 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.1 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In  <17jttaINNqdg@network.ucsd.edu>  dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:
>                                                     In almost every other 
> book club I've seen aimed at children, you get the shipment FIRST,
> and then you get to spend your time in line at the Post Office,
> sending back the books you don't want!  

Do you actually pay to send the books back?  I just re-glue the box (be sure 
to open it carefully), and mark:  RETURN TO SENDER on the outside.  I've 
never had any complaints.  On the other hand, I am notorius for taking them 
up on their offer to get the first book free, with no obligation to buy 
anything else, keeping the first book, and sending the rest back.  
Amazingly, they keep sending me offers for more.  

-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)
Subject: Re: negative attitudes towards breast-feeding
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:31:26 GMT
Reply-To: tanner@sundog.nas.nasa.gov (Leigh Ann Tanner)

In article <25178@castle.ed.ac.uk>, gill@castle.ed.ac.uk (G B Law) writes:
|> In article <BtJMFG.517@acsu.buffalo.edu> gorman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne-Marie K. Gorman) writes:
|> 
|> >It's really hard, in my limited experience, to change someone's mind about
|> >breastfeeding. 
|> 
|> >What can you do?
|> 
|> What you can do is allow her to make up her own mind!

I agree with this, however, I think that she should at least
give breastfeeding a try.  The husband can share by giving
expressed milk bottles.  You don't really know how you'll
feel unless you try it.  I did, and I breastfed for 8 months,
but would have been longer if my daughter hadn't weaned herself.
It really is worth giving a try.

Leigh Ann. 
Newsgroups: misc.kids