HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor)
Subject: Re: Special Rights for Homosexuals
Organization: University of North Carolina
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:56:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.193325.24347@samba.oit.unc.edu> lawson@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Alan Jackson) writes:
>In article <thaaang.724051084@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>>>> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:

>>>>  ...(btw...did she tell you she has a date on sunday?  some guy with a
>>>>motorcycle in her gymnastics class...

>Wow!  I met him today....very attractive.  Why do all the cute ones have
>to pretend to be straight? 

he better be straight....

poor Debra....the only people she attracts are either gay or assholes...

season


-- 
                     ____
Season Taylor        \  / "we are one body/we are one spirit/one breath/one
czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\/   dream of life and death/.../one sex"
(yes, as in the 4)                          -sophie b. hawkins
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandy --not Sandra)
Subject: Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insult (was Re: When Lesbians Kiss)
Keywords: Roseanne, Newsweek, Unconcious marines, straight friends, Too Out
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:44:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.195318.19119@exu.ericsson.se> exukev@exu.ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
>
>Also - 
>
>Is there such a thing as being "too out"?  I'm becoming interested in
>this guy that makes me look like I'm cowering in the farthest darkest
>corner of The Closet - me - the same person who rampaged through my
>neighborhood in order to find out who was distributing the anti-gay
>literature for one of the local Republican judicial candidates.
>Anyway, he wonders why I would feel awkward at holding his hand
>walking down the mall.  *I* wonder why I would feel awkward holding
>his hand walking down the mall.  

There is a great "Dykes To Watch Out For" cartoon along this line: This
one dyke talking to another in a restaurant, going on about just how out
she is: out to her parents *and* boss, wears gay pins in public, etc, etc,
and in the next to the last box, when the other women reaches across the table
and takes her hand...  She freaks!     

I am very physically affectionate, and not very well-mannered in public;
I *believe* in P(hysical) D(isplays of) A(ffection).  I don't think I
could date someone any more that wasn't willing to let me kiss them or
put my arm around them in public.

My SO sometimes gets nervous if we are around kids and their parents in
public.  I don't know for sure if this is because she really does think it
(lesbo sex...) is too dirty to be seen by children ;-) or she just is
afraid some protective parent is going to kill us someday.  ((I know it
pissed me off, but I try to let her have a comfort level))

-- 
 * Sandy *   "I'll believe Avon treated men and women equally the day I see
       	     him kiss a man, tell him he's beautiful when he's angry, kill
     	     him and then gloat over it."    Sue Clerc <sclerc@andy.bgsu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Parking (was Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads ... ))
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:12:31 GMT

> max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin) writes:
>> rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>>
>>People arrogant and foolish enough to drive private cars
>>into urban centers deserve whatever difficulties they run
>>into. 
>
>People who blindly take public transit everywhere deserve the same.
>
>While I'm very pro-public transit there are lots of occasions where
>it just isn't the right thing to do for a number of reasons.
>
>I also live in the Castro about 4 blocks from the "Center of the 
>Universe" and I park my car within 150 of my apt door on the street.

Oh silly -- I wasn't talking about *residents* -- we get
"special privileges"...
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Aladdin
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:23:24 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec15.063356.19939@serval.net.wsu.edu>
  <1992Dec15.095307.8114@leland.Stanford.EDU> <BzAuyM.Dp3@unix.amherst.edu>
  <1992Dec15.202931.20490@infonode.ingr.com>

Jeff Norris writes:
>>Or at least they have plenty of queers working for them.  Didn't any
>>of you listen to Howard Ashman's lyrics to Gaston's Song?  For shame
>>...
>
>Actually, I think there's motss content in a lot of his songs from Little
>Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and now Aladdin.  Does anyone know which
>songs from Aladdin he wrote before he died?

According to the notes in the booklet accompanying the 
soundtrack CD, Ashman wrote the lyrics for _Arabian Nights_ (the
opening song), _Friend Like Me_ and _Prince Ali_.

I think the best motssish bit is from _Friend Like Me_:

   You're the boss
   The king, the shah
   Say what you wish
   It's yours! True dish!
   How about a little more Baklava?

"True dish?"  Straight folk just don't *say* that!  ;-)

And while I tend to agree that in general Tim Rice's lyrics
aren't as ... *satisfying* somehow as Ashman's, I do think he
did a good job with _A Whole New World_, the "love duet," making
it (as one must expect) sweet without getting treacly. I can't
help but wonder, though, how Ashman would have written the
song....


-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads:  women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:23:35 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <168BC1112A.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu>, TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu wrote:

> I don't think so. First of all, witness that I didn't presume that
> *all* men on soc.motss feel this way -- I'd have to be even more stupid
> than you think I am to believe that M*lm*n speaks for all of you. I fully
> realize that some -- you especially, Steve -- are so much more enlightened.
> (Hint -- I'm being *sarcastic*.)

Oh, how *cute*!  I was wondering when I would be promoted to the
"vowels are now substitution symbols" rank.  Up 'til now, it's just
been variations on a spelling bee.  This is all very ironic, in
that *I* didn't think TMCCART3's original post was particularly
'out of line.'  

I'm sure the Big SD just *loves* being lumped together with me.  
Smoochie, smoochie, pokie, pokie...

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:45:48 GMT

In article <mattm-111292141153@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>In article <1992Dec11.202842.25715@athena.mit.edu>, charlie@isis.mit.edu
>(Charlie Fulton) wrote:
>
>> Vinyl 4ever!
>
>But what's the seek time on one of them there vinyl-ROM drives?

You know, Melmon, you might actually be an interesting
conversationalist if you could remember the thread of a discussion
beyond the last post in it.

Consider getting a threaded newsreader.  It's a remarkably effective
replacement for a brain.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Amelia T. Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My *sigh* ad in the Washington Blade
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:50:54 GMT
Organization: Medical School Computer Facility, UPENN

In article <1992Dec14.221628.26449@wam.umd.edu>, lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:
[Re: visiting the D C. Eagle...]

> But, Father Amelia and Mama Jojo, *puts his head down in shame*  
> I have no leather garments ...

Worry Knot ... er ... not, my son. 

Denim pants with almost any kind of shirt (or none) will suffice. 
No need to have a fashion crisis over this bar.

Father Amelia, who advises you to remember to go forth and sin 
               lots more.


                   ----- Amelia T. Smith -----
University of Pennsylvania     Internet: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu 
Opinions: MINE! MINE! MINE!    NBCS: H-f-t-w++d-s+(+)k+p++e++g+  
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:01:03 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1gdrgoINN9dp@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com
(Walter Smith) writes:

>> > Do we need to teach "daddy
>> >and his roommate sleep together" to teach tolerance? 

>> Short answer: yes.

>Let me look at this from another angle; do we have to teach that it
>is OK/normal/natural/<insert your choice of words>, or can it be 
>viewed as not OK/normal/natural/<insert your choice of words>,
>as long as we are taught to respect a person's right to be different
>and unique without being persecuted for it?

How about <delete biased adjectives>?  The word "natural" as used
by a lot of traditional discourse is totally bogus, and "normal" is
an even nastier red-herring -- in some parts of Germany it is "normal"
to be blond-haired and blue-eyed.  This got played very heavily in
Nazi propaganda, ESPECIALLY that directed at the young.

If your message is "this is NOT OK (but it exists)", you are teaching
a rather strongly NEGATIVE message.  The Rainbow curriculum has no
agenda to teach "Heather Has Two Mommies -- and So Should You."  It
merely acknowledges that there are people in the world who disagree
with YOUR negative take on same sex couples.

There *is* an implicit "OK" in the Rainbow Curriculum -- it insists
that it is an ordinary fact of life that loving same sex parents of
kids who are perfectly ordinary kids DO exist.

I really don't care that some people's churches (not mine!) find
this ordinary fact disturbing and offensive.  That religious offense
has NO place in the public schools.

>Do we have to believe 
>what you want us to believe as long as differences are tolerated, 
>or must our thoughts be 'fixed' to view homosexuality as OK? 

What I *want* you to believe is that your bizarre religion-derived
notion of what we are has ZERO correspondence to reality.  That is
what I, as a Christian, have found.  But I will set aside *my*
religious agenda, if you can manage to set aside yours.  There is
no "indoctrination" into "homosex is good" in these stories.  They
are NOTHING but acknowledgement of real families with real kids --
some enrolled in the schools that want to ignore them.  It appears
to bother you if "two mommies" or "two daddies" sleep together --
do you really think kids are unaware that THEIR parents sleep in
the same bed (hell -- most small kids LOVE to join one or other or
both in bed; and this has NO sexual implications, dammit.)

What *is* your problem, Walter?  Do you *really* want to deny truth?
-- 
Michael L. Siemon	"We honour founders of these starving cities
mls@panix.com		 Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
			 They built by rivers and at night the water
			 Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: miller@triton.unm.edu (R.C. Miller)
Subject: Re: When Lesbians Kiss
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 07:39:32 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


When Dan asked, "Do you ever have occasion to ice and oil a potato?", was it a 
veiled reference to dildos au natural?  (If you didn't see the show, he was
reading a recipe that was meant to read "slice and boil.")

I love this show, especially with this new plot.  Darlene is getting very
interesting, too.  Even in Lanford, IL, she knew all about lesbians, just
wanted to know who it was.  I'm wondering when/if she'll come out...maybe
after she sees how accepted Sandra Bernhard's character is by her parents?

Becky

-- 
Becky Miller@triton.unm.edu
All I want is just a little peace of mind, but the angels won't have it.
-Melissa Etheridge
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin)
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Gender Anarchists United
	<Bz9CLs.48p@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:41:42 GMT

jbeason@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Joseph E. Beason) writes:

>I'm not sure I agree with this.  People only have so much
>energy/time/ resources.  If I fight for everything I feel is right, I
>won't be living, just fighting.

ok, i'll grant that.

>I think you have to choose your battlefield, and then expend your
>power there.  I can be an ally to other people in other causes, and
>help them as I can in my day-to-day living, but I have my limits.

but will you willingly toss your ally by the roadside when it becomes
incovenient to have him as an ally?
--
Most system flaws can be attributed to unwarrantedly anthropomorphizing the
user.
	-- T.C.Bennett@syse.salford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mjr4u@Virginia.EDU (Matthew Jerome Rush)
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:24:23 GMT

broughton@lambda.usask.ca  writes:
> In article <1992Dec9.171855.5003@Virginia.EDU>, mjr4u@Virginia.EDU (Matthew Jerome Rush) writes:
> |>If you can snag a copy of "Out in Pittsburgh" newspaper, it'll
> |>be a big help.  Of course, you'll have to look around.  There
> |>is a good restaurant on Liberty Avenue called . . . well, I
> |>can't remember the name, but you could find a copy there.
> |>Also, try the Atlantic bookstore downtown.  St. Leo's Bookstore
> 
> 
> Not St. Leo's ... St. ELMO'S Bookstore ... and it is out of the way.
> 
> Also try Jay's Bookstall on Fifth Avenue near the University of Pittsburgh.
> 
> Both also have a nice selection of gay and lesbian fiction although St. Elmo's
> has an *ENTIRE* room in the back dedicated to gay and lesbian fiction,
> non-fiction and erotica.
> 
> Darrell
> 
> I spent my summer vacation this year in Pittsburgh so consider myself a minor
> expert.

Thanks for clarifying the record for me Darrell.  I was born
and raised in Pittsburgh, but by the time I was finding out
about these places, I went off to college.

Matt
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: whiskey, whisky
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:50:39 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) advises:
>
>Red wine is probably the best accompaniment for all cheeses,
>but, where wine is concerned, you should always go with what
>*you* like, rather than what is "ok".  If you don't know what
>you like, (1) ask your friendly local wine-shop for a
>recommendation, and -- most important (2) keep tasting until
>you do :-)
>-- 
You might also find it useful to (2a) rinse your mouth out with water
between bottles, to refresh the palate.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cccrsbc8@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (cc rs)
Subject: Top GLB Fiction
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:44:53 GMT

I've just been cleaning up my act and getting
rid of anything in my life that means nothing to me
and had the dilemma of disposing of about 1000 books.

I was wondering if you guys would mind contributing
to a list of books by GLB authors or about GLB topics
that you would recommend as essential motss reading:

EM Forster:  Maurice
Radclyffe Hall:  Well of Loneliness
Nicholson:  Portrait of a marriage (Vita Sackville-West)
Paul Bowles: Pages from Cold Point
James Baldwin: Giovanni's Room
Ed White:  Boy's own Story

this is probably my top 5.  Anyone elst
want to offer theirs.

Craig

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From: pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: More on Roseanne & Cast
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:56:35 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniblab.asd.sgi.com

In article <1992Dec17.213315.7090@njitgw.njit.edu> andy@eies2.njit.edu (Andy) writes:
>
>Here's one that I haven't seen mentioned.  I caught Roseanne and the
>cast of the "Jackie Thomas" show (Her husbands new show) being
>interviewed on Oprah last week or so.
>
>When they were speaking to Martin Mull about him playing a gay 
>character on Roseanne, he said something to effect "I didn't
>know at first my character was to be gay, then they dropped
>the (frown, snicker, pause) *bombshell" on me".

Figures.  I hate Martin Mull.  White male heterosexual yuppie scum.
Probably thinks he's so straight that it "probably can't hurt his 
career".


pauli.  (white male homosexual yuppie scum, to be perfectly honest)

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Subject: Re: PHOBE ALERT:  Clinton Faces Firestorm on Military Issue
Reply-To: jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:10:53 GMT

I think I've lost touch with straight America.  I just read the
posted article (not the response, but the original predicting the 
dire consequences of letting gays serve in the military).  For those
of you who missed it, it predicts that the homosexuals (I must reproduce
their terminology) will ask for marriage, and rights to teach, and so on.

My response to those claims was, "Yes, is there a problem with this?"  The
only claim to which my response was one of "Well, I'd rather this particular
consequence didn't happen" was that there would be no HIV testing and the
health care costs of the military would skyrocket.  (So, yes, I suppose
I support HIV testing of the military.  But don't jump on me too hard--it's
not a reasoned position, and I don't hold it with any great conviction. I
can be convinced otherwise.)

Julian C. Lander
jclander@mitre.org
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:33:38 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Daniel Bidwa writes:
>>tailoring the band's sound just to gain popularity (which, in all the
>interviews I've read, sounds like the real reason they switched producers).

Please... not the "Metallibob" argument *again*!  I tend to
go with Lars' statement that the "mainstream came to Metallica,
not the other way around."

>movie "Johnny Get Your Gun") says what, that war is stupid? Okay, Culture Club
>said the same thing, only more blatantly -- does that mean that they were well
>read and educated, and better at expressing ideas than Metallica? (Like this  

Funny you should invoke the name of Culture Club; I just recently
made a tape of their stuff for my mother, on request.  Mostly the
stuff from _Colour By Numbers_, filled out with the best bits
from _Kissing To Be Clever_ and _Waking Up With The House On
Fire_.  Having just listened to these albums again for the first
time in quite a while, I realize I'm gonna have to replace them
with CD copies before they go out of print....  While I have no
desire to emulate Boy George's sartorial or tonsorial styles, I
sure as hell wouldn't mind having his singing voice.  [Though I
concede I'd rather have the male equivalent of Alison Moyet's
voice....]

>the lead singer for Deicide (the upside-down-cross branded on his forehead
>isn't even too bad), who also has a _deep_ speaking voice and a phenomenal
>stage presence (in a sort of Mansonesque fashion).  Boy, am I glad that beards
>have once again become acceptable metal style! Yum!

I'll have to keep my eyes open for this; but as any fan of C&W
could tell you, that genre has been a gold mine of furry faces
for quite some time; Randy Owen of Alabama is a personal, long-
time favorite.... [Imagining him singing their version of the
Carpenters' _Touch Me When We're Dancing_ into my ear while 
dancing with him is enough to reduce me to furry Jello....]

 
() Those who know the least obey the best.
()      -- George Farquhar
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pittsburg, Pa
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:46:05 GMT
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Dec15.214135.360@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>
>brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown) writes:
> >There is no cabal--yeah, sure.  Then who sent me my Official Cabal
> >Application?
> [...]
>3.  *There* *is* *no* *Official* *Cabal* *Application*

Well, I'm not so sure about this point #3, Mara.  Seems that I recall
that there *is* an applications but that:

1. It is sent out only in electronic form and must be returned same.

2. It must bear the applicant's signature in their own blood.

3. It must bear a notary seal (raised fonts on CRT's is soooo tricky).

4. There are important instructions on the back of the form which
   must be followed exactly.

Certainly, anyone able to follow these four simple rules can claim
that they filled out the official cabal membership application?
Note that it ain't official until it's properly filled out.

btw: when do I get my magic decoder ring?

--mark
---
Mark Morrissey     markm@cse.ogi.edu     
"You picked a bad day.  Pat Buchanan's here, and he's passing out a
petition to get the name of the species changed to hetero-sapien..."
 - Phil, the bar owner on "Murphy Brown"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rhayden@oracle.com (Ronald Hayden)
Subject: Re: BOYCOTT COLORADO! Postcards
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, Ca.
	<1ge58nINNl3q@hp-col.col.hp.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:16:23 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1ge58nINNl3q@hp-col.col.hp.com> smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:

   mills@spot.Colorado.EDU (MILLS MICHAEL J) writes:
   >     Please support the boycott of all of Colorado by purchasing fabulous 
   > "Boycott Colorado!  The HATE State"  postcards, designed after our 
   > state license plates.

   You know, if people took *half* the time they spend on this foolish 
   boycott, and used it to try and understand *how* the amendment came 
   to be passed, there wouldn't be a need for it, and it would be far
   less likely to happen in other states.  But doesn't it make you feel
   *soooo* much better to boycott? 

I suggest that we're doing both.  And I suggest that you have no idea
what range of things we're doing involving Colorado, Oregon, Tampa,
and other states.

If you'd like to ask, feel free.
--

  - Ronald Hayden

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