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From: mosche@vipunen.hut.fi (M}ns Holmberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: ITTF RULES 2(volley and obstruction)
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:57:51 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.table-tennis
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

Hello!
 
I'm posting a summary of the most important ITTF TT-rules. Please dont
follow up on this article with your own theories. If you have any questions
about the rules e-mail me and I'll post an answer to this newsgroup.
 
Rules:

	A player volleys the ball if he strikes it in play before it has
	touched his court since last being struck by his opponent. A player
	will lose a point if he volleys the ball except for if he volleys
	a serv that has touched the net, in this case the ball would be a let.

	A player obstructs the ball if he or anything he wears or carries
	touches the ball in play before it has court or passed over his
	endline, since last being struck by his opponent. A player will lose
	a point if he obstructs the ball except for if he obstucts a serv
	that has touched the net, in this case the ball would be a let.

bye
Mosche
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From: Richard.Dalton@newcastle.ac.uk (Richard Dalton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Ball Ratings (Repost) (Survey)
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:11:22 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) writes:

>In article <seub281@Unify.Com> tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman) writes:
>>I never  received an answer the first time I posted this.
>>
>>What do the number of stars stand for on  a TT  ball?  I know  its
>>rating of some sort.  
>>
>>Which ones do they use in tournaments?
>>
>>What is your personal favorite?
>>
>>(go ahead and post the answers for everyone to read.  emails are fine, tho)
>>
>>Tim.

>Best balls in the world are NITTAKU Balls (3*** stars) of course...
>I specially like orange ones...

>My opinion.

>Lyne

Hmmm, I prefer white  3 star TSP's. Which they used to use in tournaments, i 
think they've now switched to something else though. (Schildkrot perhaps?)

	Rich 'Z'


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Subject: USTTA order form
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From: mosche@vipunen.hut.fi (M}ns Holmberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: ITTF RULES 1.2(service rules)
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:46:01 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.table-tennis
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

Hello!

I'm posting a summary of the most important ITTF TT-rules. Please dont
follow up on this article with your own theories. If you have any questions
about the rules e-mail me and I'll post an answer to this newsgroup.

Service rules:

	The rule about stomping when serving was excluded from the 
	international rules a couple of years ago. Stomping should
	now be regarded as bad behavior and the umpire can worn the
	player and then aword a point and then a set if the stomping
	goes on.

	In service the ball does not have to be in clear view of the
	opponent, not even of the umpire. However if the umpire has
	any doubt about the legality of the serv he can warn the player
	and for the following offences he shall aword a point to the
	opponent. If the service is clearly illegal the player shall
	not get a warning but he shall lose a point on the first occasion.

bye
Mosche
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From: fhh@watson.ibm.com (Feng-Hsiung Hsu)
Subject: Re: Speed of Rubber
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:34:51 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Followup-To: rec.sport.table-tennis

In article <1992Dec19.051107.3440@u.washington.edu> nguyenk@stein.u.washington.edu (hee hee) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.143326.12294@watson.ibm.com> fhh@watson.ibm.com (Feng-Hsiung Hsu) writes:
>>One simple measurement of the "speed" of the rubber (+blade) is to clamp
>>the handle, drop the ball from various heights and see how high the ball
>>bounces.  Table tennis balls are supposed to dissipate less than 1/3 of
>>the original energy hitting a stiff surface at low speed (see rule book...).
>>So the ideal high speed rubber actually may not be that much faster when
>>hit at low speed.
>I drop the ball from a height of 1 ft, it stucked dead on my Spinspiel rubber
>surface, I mean no second bounce ! The more spin a rubber has, the less
>power one seems to get when hitting the ball at low speed.

I did say "drop the ball from various heights".  What your observed
essentially means the "speed" of the rubber is not a constant.  Try dropping
the ball from the 10th floor elevator shaft (you don't want the wind to
affect your measurements, would you?).  If the ball rises back to the 9th
floor, you have a winner. :-)  (Actually, with the air friction, this may be
physically impossible...).
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From: mosche@vipunen.hut.fi (M}ns Holmberg)
Subject: Gluing: Speed,Control,Spin
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: rec.sport.table-tennis
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:39:22

Hello!

I think i'd better clearify some things about regluing since many
people have been discussing this subject.

If you glue your racket you will get more speed. Depending on your
gluing technic and glue you can get more or less speed. The reason
to this is that the rubber gets softer and the time the ball and the
rubber are in contact is longer, e.g. the time the power is transmitted
to the ball is longer. Because of a softer rubber the ball sinks deeper
into a glued rubber and thus increases the area of contact with the ball,
and so increasing the spin.

The question about control is much more complicated. If you dont hit
very hard shots you will lose control if you reglue. But if you want
to hit very hard shots and dont reglue your rubbers you would have to hit
the ball with all your might, really trying to get every last drop of
power out of your arm. This would of course minimize the control of the
shot. If you on the other hand had glued you would not have to hit as wild
a shot to get the same ammount of speed. In this case you might have more
control with a glued racket.

Hope this was of some help.
bye
Mosche



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From: moots@gemini.ksu.ksu.edu (Joel Adam Moots)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Xu/Cheng`
Date: 17 Dec 1992 13:41:45 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: gemini.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: doubles

i was watching the Xu/Cheng (i forget whom they were playing--Zhuang/Chen? maybe) double match last night (1:00 am here, you know how TT gets such prime time
 coverage :-)) on ESPN, and they lost the first game, won the second, and
 lost the last.

what bothers me, though, is that the second game was not televised.  could 
  anybody tell how it went, and what they did to win it?

joel   moots@matt.ksu.ksu.edu


ps..i've seen a Xu post on this group; it this the same one?

:)

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From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Subject: Re: How to handle strong top spin ?
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:00:27 GMT


Thank you all for telling me the "secrets" of handling top spin.

I used to be a so-so player in an university in China. Some Chinese
profesionals can give me a rating. I will rate myself, according to
the earlier postings of the rated players, 1250-1500.

I play penhold using "pro-spin" DOUBLE HAPPINESS paddle. My partner
Denver used to be on the Jameca national youth team. He is leading 
me around 7 points on the average because his strong top spin. I 
can't change my rubber since I am pretty good except that top spin.

I remember one player told me that hold the racket loose is a way
to reduce the top spin. But why some people say this is not used
by the best players ? Hope some professionals can explain a little
bit.

- Chen Jinxiong, driving the bugs from the chips in my head

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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: How to handle strong top spin ?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:49:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.145426.15873@med.umich.edu> ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien) writes:
>In article <Bz1zo2.K1p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:

>>I was wondering why many (if not most) of the top players use Anti on
>>one side - then I realized that these people have to face topspin stronger
>>than any we're ever likely to encounter 9-)

>Huh? I dont know many top players that use anti in the world ranks (outside
>of Carl Prean's long pips and choppers). I dont see too much anti here in
>Michigan either - but I did go to a tournament in Akron,OH where maybe
>a third of the people had anti/pips on one side!

Akron, eh? You probably met up with my friends, the Weber family
from Richmond, IN!

Hmm top players? Don't know about the current top Swedes, but all 
the top Hungarians (Jonyer, Klampar, Gergely) and I'm sure Grubba 
and Bengtsson used Anti. Also all three Seemillers and the Boggans 
(except their dad Tim.. I think he used hard rubber). Cai Zhenhua 
(one of the few Chinese shakehands loopers) also used Anti.







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From: ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)
Subject: ping pong in the dark
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam Fans
	<Bz1zo2.K1p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <1gbofbINN4ra@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:48:52 GMT

In article <1gbofbINN4ra@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> ah690549@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Annette C. Hollmann) writes:

>P.S. are there other visually impaired table tennis players out there? I'd
>like to swap ideas on how to overcome blurry opponents and total lack of depth
>perception

One of the players around here is blind in one eye, and pretty good.
Another, a good friend of mine, takes upwards of twenty to thirty
minutes for his eyes to dark-adjust when he comes from a bright area
(like outside or the other side of the table).  It's fun playing him
because for ten minutes he'll miss everything because he can't see,
then for ten minutes he'll make all sorts of dramatic shots because
he's used to it, and then for five minutes he'll miss everything again
because he CAN see.

Life in the fast lane, I guess...

Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
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From: ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien)
Subject: Re: speedglue banned
Organization: University of Michigan - Medical Center
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:19:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.224623.307@cc.umontreal.ca> desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.212445.16541@linus.mitre.org> rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine) writes:
>>In article <105253@bu.edu> takwong@alexander.bbn.com writes:
>>> Subject: No More Speed-Glue!!??
>>> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:41:32 EST
>>> From: takwong@alexander.bbn.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 	Yes, the words are out:  The ITTF has ordained that the use of
>>> 	speed-glue in official tournaments is illegal.  
>>
>>
>>		
>** Once again, I'm telling you : all this is sick, but TRUE !!!
>It is *not* a joke...
>
>Lyne
>
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Im not currently re-glueing but - How are all we T-T playes
going to get high on the smell of glue now! :) (j/k,of course)

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From: kramerro@columbia.dsu.edu (ROGER A. KRAMER)
Subject: Re: Ping-pong???  what is that?  ;)
Organization: Dakota State University
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:21:11 GMT

In article <PSHUANG.92Dec11224204@m4-035-19.mit.edu> pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping Huang) writes:
>From: pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping Huang)
>Subject: Re: Ping-pong???  what is that?  ;)
>Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:42:10 GMT

>In article <BytzKB.C5L@me.utoronto.ca> rio@me.utoronto.ca (Oscar del Rio) writes:

> > I dont want to start a discussion about this, but I hate when
> > they call our sport "ping-pong"... :))

>It just means that those of us named "Ping" get to suffer through our
>childhoods due to immature school-mates.... :) And yes, you've succeeded
>in starting a small discussion about "this".

>--
>Ping Huang (INTERNET: pshuang@athena.mit.edu), probably speaking for himself

Cool man, I just love this group!!!!!!   
	PS. Get a real name!!!!!! :)  an immature college student
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: 2 color rule
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:42:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec2.001042.8308@phcomgw.seri.philips.nl> sandkuyl@seri.philips.nl writes:

>Don't know the top-50 ranking at the moment. I hope so. With
>defensive players long, attractive rallies are possible.

Not when you have two of them  9-) Thats why the Expedite Rule
came into being.

Are Insook Bhushan and BK Arunkumar still active? 




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From: takwong@alexander.bbn.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: speedglue banned
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:15:13 GMT
Originator: butta1@csa

Subject: No More Speed-Glue!!??
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:41:32 EST
From: takwong@alexander.bbn.com


	Yes, the words are out:  The ITTF has ordained that the use of
	speed-glue in official tournaments is illegal.   This is to be
	effective immediately (December 17, 1992).  The question is,
	how do you enforce it?  Does anybody know?  Does that mean
	the hitters are coming back?  Is there future for Qiumars and
	Chi-Sun?  What is Paddle Palace going to do with the tons of
	tire glue that got from the automobile industry -- repackage it
	again and claim that it is regular rubber cement (who can tell
	the difference anyway?)


					Tak
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From: jsr@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Joe Riel 3752)
Subject: Speed of Rubber
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:15:17 GMT

What does the "speed" of a rubber mean?  Does it refer to the length
of time that the ball remains in contact with the rubber?  If so,
shouldn't thicker sponges be slower?

Joe Riel
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: 2 color rule
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:37:37 GMT

In article <MAECHAN.92Dec4104415@rona.ccl.umist.ac.uk> maechan@ccl.umist.ac.uk (MAEDA Toshiyuki) writes:

> I remember the rule was changed in 1983 or 84. (At least, the change
>in Japan was on 1st of April in '84) At that time, players in China
>(mainland) ware too strong, because of superb techniques using
>differnt rubbers, which made the games boring ...

I think the only top Chinese player playing like this was Cai
Zhenhua (who started losing badly after the rule change). He was
a shakehands looper who had anti on one side - very European 
actually - Jonyer, Klampar, Bengtsson all did this. The other 
Chinese players were either pips-out penhold hitters (Xie Saike)
or penhold loopers (Guo Yuehua, World Champ at the time).

I think it hurt the defensive player more than it did the loopers
and hitters.







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From: desjarly@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: speedglue banned
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:43:12 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

In article <1992Dec18.212415.7817@med.umich.edu> ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien) writes:
>In article <105253@bu.edu> takwong@alexander.bbn.com writes:
>>Subject: No More Speed-Glue!!??
>>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:41:32 EST
>>From: takwong@alexander.bbn.com
>>
>>
>>	Yes, the words are out:  The ITTF has ordained that the use of
>>	speed-glue in official tournaments is illegal.   This is to be
>>	effective immediately (December 17, 1992).  The question is,
>>	how do you enforce it?  Does anybody know?  Does that mean
>>	the hitters are coming back?  Is there future for Qiumars and
>>	Chi-Sun?  What is Paddle Palace going to do with the tons of
>>	tire glue that got from the automobile industry -- repackage it
>>	again and claim that it is regular rubber cement (who can tell
>>	the difference anyway?)
>>
>>
>>					Tak
>>-- 
>You have got to be kidding ..... right ?  Mosche - please shed some light!

NO !!!!  It's absolutely right !!!!!!
I have the entire article in front of me !!!!

It's TRUE !!

PS: I never joke with that kind of things...

Lyne


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From: heller@luna.think.com (Steve Heller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.table-tennis
Subject: Re: Are FAST glue really fast?
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:45:41
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In-reply-to: jimy@cae.wisc.edu's message of 14 Dec 92 23:00:41 CST

In article <1992Dec14.230042.22798@doug.cae.wisc.edu> jimy@cae.wisc.edu (Jim Yu) writes:

   My TT supply catalog lists several types of glue.
   Some of them claim to "increase speed, spin and control".
   Are those claims true? How can a glue affect spin and control?
   If one wants to increase speed, wouldn't a thicker rubber accomplish
   that orders of magnitude better than a glue?
   Am I missing something?
   Thanks for any light on this.

I have a slightly different question.  Don't slower rubbers offer more
control and opportunity for spin while faster rubbers obviously offer
speed?  Aren't these exclusive?

-steve  (steve heller --- heller@think.com)
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From: jimy@cae.wisc.edu (Jim Yu)
Subject: Are FAST glue really fast?
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:00:41 CST

My TT supply catalog lists several types of glue.
Some of them claim to "increase speed, spin and control".
Are those claims true? How can a glue affect spin and control?
If one wants to increase speed, wouldn't a thicker rubber accomplish
that orders of magnitude better than a glue?
Am I missing something?
Thanks for any light on this.

Jim
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From: rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine)
Subject: Re: speedglue banned
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:24:45 GMT

In article <105253@bu.edu> takwong@alexander.bbn.com writes:
> Subject: No More Speed-Glue!!??
> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:41:32 EST
> From: takwong@alexander.bbn.com
> 
> 
> 	Yes, the words are out:  The ITTF has ordained that the use of
> 	speed-glue in official tournaments is illegal.  

They'll never make that stick. :-)

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