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From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: porta-potti
Date: 27 Aug 1992 14:42:15 GMT
Organization: Invictus
Distribution: na
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Keywords: heads, pollution

In article <1992Aug26.171708.295@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson) writes:
>In article <GS#PABB@b-tech.uucp> jon@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us (Jon Zeeff) writes:
>>While I can see it in a harbor or other crowded situation, I've 
>>wondered why everyone is so hyper about heads being dumped overboard.  

>   Either you're part of the solution, or part of the problem.

...and boaters make an easy target for lawmakers who want to create the illusion
that they are interested in protecting the environment.  A very small percentage
of the population owns boats, and we are viewed as rich yachties.  Few will shead
tears if regulations on boaters are tightened.  There are places where you can't
wash your boat if it is in the water.  There are places where you can't anchor a
boat because it is considered fill.  Regulations on boat yards and fuel docks
have become so tough that many have gone out of business.  If boaters don't clean
up their act, there may come a day when it is impossible to operate a boat in the
United States.

For years, people have had the attitude that there is so much water, how could my
little bit of trash hurt.  It does hurt.  Walk the beaches and see the stuff that
has washed up.  Work for Wildlife Rescue and see the large numbers of animals that
choke to death on a plastic bag they thought was a jellyfish.  See the anagonizing
death of a bird that got caught in a plastic six-pack ring holder.  See the warnings
against taking fish because of the the high bacteria content of the water in which
they live.

Boaters should be leading the effort to protect the marine environment we all enjoy.


Dudley Gaman
Invictus
Pete's Harbor
Redwood City, CA
From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (mondayCAL40S29.1470fridaysaturdayS29.1)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Cal 40...
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:39:00 GMT
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Anybody out there familiar with the Cal 40? I guess this boat was a
big deal in the 60's under the CCA rule. I've been out racing a few
times on my landlord's boat on Tuesday night. We even took the
enormous anchor off the bow. The crew 'team' is beginning to gel, but I'll tell
you, this is a very tough boat to sail in light air. The rig is low
aspect compared to most anything else you've seen and the boat does
not point well at all. In, say 6-8 apparent we will see boats that we owe
30 s/mi outpoint us significantly. We will be going faster and maybe even
have a little better VMG in the higher ranges of 'light air', but 
surely not enough to make up 30 seconds/mile. On one legged beats everybody
else will fetch, but we have to tack (and tacking this boat in light air is
murder!). On the other hand, the boat is fast downwind, but being fast downwind
never quite makes up for upwind disadvantages. The boat rates 120 phrf in a
division with several 150's. It's not even that competitive a division,
compared to the wed. night series in Middle River.

Anyone have any ideas for upwind work in this thing? We have been trying
to sail the boat fat and fast, which seems to work better than tight, accepting
the lack of pointing, but in lighter air we are still being hosed. Maybe this
is just the way things are and we should hope for more wind. In fact I'm sure
this is the way things are, but not sure if it should ne to this extent.
Maybe we should sail more strapped in to get the most point we can (the shrouds
are out by the rail, so maybe strapped in isn't, really) and we just haven't
had the right trim to do it. To be honest, the owners are not really intense
racer types and the helmsman really isn't great. Oversteering is a problem and
he isn't always paying attention. We have fun out there and drink beer, but I
see sailing on a new boat as a learning opportunity and would like to get the
most performance out of it. 

Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
> * OLX 2.1 * ease!Trim!eeeaaaassse!trimtrimTRIMeeeeeeeaaaaaasse!trimea
From: muth@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wayne A Muth)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re. "Beware of ripoffs" [Conneaut Lake]
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:41:08 GMT


  Yesterday, "Tom" wrote "park was charging $20 on pretense of someoor
  concert [at Conneaut] ... gouge last penny out of patrons"

  I agree it's sad that it worked out that way, however the park's
  schedule calling for that particular day to be a "$20 concert
  day" was set forth early in the Spring -> so it's not like it
  was a last minute "gouge" decision.    Who knows -- perhaps
  the "new Conneaut" will be a pleasant place to go to ...
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Rendell Bird (Re: Shuttle Loopers)
Keywords: hurricane wind nasty
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:13:44 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette

(Geoff Allen) writes:
>Hey Rendell!!  Good to hear (see? ;^) ) from you.  I hear you had an
>exciting week last week.  Hope you survived Andrew without sustaining
>*too* much damage.

Yes indeed. I had just returned from a trip to California so that I 
didn't have time to prepare for the hurricane. So, I went to my parents
house. It is a good thing too. Their aluminum awning came loose in the
90-120 mile per hour winds. My father and I had to go outside and
yank it down before it battered the roof in. My father was genuinely
scared of the storm. Since there was very little lightning, I was
not terribly concerned.

I found out that it is rather hard to breathe in 120 MPH winds. Also,
rain hits you like hard, little rocks when it is traveling at such
speeds. I have ridden roller coasters in the rain, but this was
a totally new experience.

The eye of the storm just missed the town of Breaux Bridge (where my
parents live). So I told my father that I would have to keep my
eyes peeled for the next hurricane which might be striking the
Gulf Coast, because I felt cheated.

I feel it is best not to repeat here on USENET what my father said to me!
:-)	:-)	:-)	:-)	:-)	:-)	:-)	:-)	



Rendell
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Pipeline/other questions comments
Summary: Thanks and kudos to Bill Figie!
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:15:50 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

This is just a note to thank Bill Figie for his excellent description about
why ACE is worth $50.00 per year for membership. Bill also does a great job
handling the letters for RollerCoaster! magazine. Thanks again Bill, I hope
you and your neighbors don't have too much of a rough time recovering from
Andrew!
	And I wish everyone a happy Labor Day weekend (typically the last
coasting weekend for many of us), but most importantly, I wish everyone a
safe holiday weekend, make that last one for the road a coffee!
Tom "I'm almost done my thesis!" Maglione
From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Re. "Beware of ripoffs" [Conneaut Lake]
Summary: More info (rumor?).
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:46:04 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <2237@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> muth@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wayne A Muth) writes:
>
>  Yesterday, "Tom" wrote "park was charging $20 on pretense of someoor
>  concert [at Conneaut] ... gouge last penny out of patrons"
>
>  I agree it's sad that it worked out that way, however the park's
>  schedule calling for that particular day to be a "$20 concert
>  day" was set forth early in the Spring -> so it's not like it
>  was a last minute "gouge" decision.    Who knows -- perhaps
>  the "new Conneaut" will be a pleasant place to go to ...

Since I posted my original gripe, I heard a rumor that the concert act at
Conneaut Lake that day was the Grateful Dead; any confirmation or negation
of this info/rumor?

Tom.
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From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: Wood coaster for Great Adventure????
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:05:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccd.1992Sep4.170510.29973
Organization: Harris Controls
Originator: wjf@rs2


Buck,
 Thanks for agreeing with me.  I was pretty sure I was correct when I wrote my
response to this kid.  Like I said, I contacted 5 or 6 ACEers that usually are
very knowledgable, and they agreed with me.  Also, when I do a letter to the
editor column, it is looked at by 4 or 5 other eyes and if I had been wrong or
was insulting to the kid, I am sure they would have not let it be printed.  When
I got a follow up letter from the kid, he sounded hopping mad.  I gave him a call
and once I talked to him, I was able to address his fears that I was making fun
of him.  If anything, I was just pointing out that you really can't believe
everything park employees tell you.  Actually, I don't think you can believe
anything until it is actually happened.  I had never thought that Conneaut Lake
would be closing this year.  Especially after their pride in making it 100 years.
 I was also surprised by the sudden closing of Boardwalk and Baseball once Busch
Entertainment took control.  I should have guessed they wern't interested in
maintaining it.  But there was a rumor going around at that time which said that
Busch Gardens, the Dark Continent was interested in "moving" over to Boardwalk
and Baseball because they didn't have any room for expansion (which may be true
but I couldn't see how they would pack everything up and leave Tampa).  Anyway,
we made out pretty bad in that deal because we lost the only true ride park in
Central Florida.  Too bad Six Flags or anyone doesn't move into the area and set
up a ride park.  Maybe Disney will finally build that wood coaster for Boardwalk
they have kicked around for many years.  I can only hope.  But I depart from the
real subject of this letter.  

		Bill "bring back the Florida Hurricane (not Andrew either" Figie
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From: mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:15:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.231904.5052@news.media.mit.edu> maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.154937.20584@sei.cmu.edu> mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike) writes:
>> (some stuff deleted)
>>(one of my favorite defunct coasters was an out-and-back), but it has to
>>have the g's and air-time.
>
>Please, Mary Ann, tell us what your favorite defunct coaster was; I certainly
>agree about the gully coasters, too, but I do like Magnum more than I like
>Mean Streak; Magnum is one of my favorite steel coasters, and Mean Streak is
>one of my favorite LOOKING coasters, but alas does not ride as well as it
>looks.

My favorite defunct coaster was the Dips at West View park near Pittsburgh
(considering I spent at least 10 of my childhood summers in this park, I
was very sad when it closed in '77). I wish it was still around so that I
could confirm my memories of the coaster...the first hill could not have
been that high (maybe 100 feet), but it is one of the few where I would
consistently get that weird feeling in the pit of my stomach dropping down
the first hill (this is one of the reasons I don't like the Magnum...for
how tall it is, it doesn't make me feel like this on the first hill).

The Dips was an old wooden out-and-back with a lovely swooping return
curve at the far end (the first thing that you would see as you drove into
the park entrance). It was pretty long, from what I remember, and had a
wonderful set of camelbacks coming in...lots of air time (in old-fashioned
cars with only a lap bar and leather seatbelt).

The Racing Whippet at the other end of the park was great, too. Completely
built into a hillside, surrounded by trees (you couldn't see anything else
in the park from this coaster). It was a continuous track racer, like the
one at Kennywood, if I remember correctly. If you sat in the last seat
(only seat belts on this one), you were absolutely thrown up in the air
going down the first hill...there was no way to stay seated on this one.

They also had a great kids coaster, the Little Dips, a scaled down version
of the big one. This was my introduction to coaster riding. All of the
coasters had the manual breaks, and occasionally, the operators would miss
and would have to let you go around again because the first car had gone
past the platform (this was usually on the racer). The Dips had this neat
panel in the station which was a painted picture of the coaster with
light bulbs at various points that would light up when a train passed
that point.

I'm getting maudlin...better stop before I start dripping tears into my
keyboard...

Mary Ann Pike   (mapike@sei.cmu.edu)    
Software Engineering Institute          
Carnegie-Mellon University              
Pittsburgh PA                                   




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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:57:23 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Dorney Park & HERCULES News
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Well, at last report, HERCULES was closed until further 
notice by Dorney Park, with L O N G lines at the park's
other two coasters, LASER and THUNDERHAWK.

Well, HERCULES is open again, complete with a re-profiled 
track section at the bottom of the first drop.  However,
the modifications plus the trim brake is slowing the train 
down enough that it is often stopping in the anti-rollback's 
at the top of the "triple up", just before the station drop.
Obviously, Dorney is going to have to do SOMETHING with this
coaster!

************************************************************

In other Dorney news, looks like their New-4-93 Steelie is 
probably NOT going to be an Arrow ... possibly B&M, due to
ValleyFair's CEO's high impression of the company and their
work.

************************************************************

In still other Dorney news, there was a mini "Riot" at the 
park this past Satruday.  This even made the local 
papers if you wanna read all about it.

Apparently, this woman cut several hundred people 
in line for a ride on Hercules.  The woman was
spotted and apprehended by park security.  Security
was in the process of escorting her to the front
gate (eg -- kicking her out of the park for line
jumping) when she made a stink to some friends 
she was with (she came in on a bus from NYC), who
apparently had "gang" connections, and a mini-riot
ensued.  Local police had to be called to the 
disturbance.

Gee, Dorney is becoming more like Great Adventure 
with each passing day!


All for now, 
Buck

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From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: Re: Shuttle Loopers (was Re: Drachen Fire at Busch Gardens, VA
Keywords: drachen fire
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:27:12 GMT

[Buck sez]:

>(In storage)
>
>TIDAL WAVE -- Six Flags Great America ... Counterweight


From the rumors I have heard this one will soon be operating again
at Six Flags over Mid-America (St Louis). I hope they have good luck
with it.

(*...and Lord knows, they have PLENTY of room in that park for another
coaster of ANY type...*)



Grist for the Rumor Mill,
Rendell
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
Subject: 1992 IAAPA Convention / Texas Giant III
Originator: wjf@rs2
Organization: Harris Controls
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:37:06 GMT


Since making a previous post about the IAAPA Convention in Dallas and the Texas
Giant III conference at Six Flags over Texas, I have started to think about going
myself.  First I looked up the cost of the IAAPA Convention and if I read the
flyer correctly, it costs only 10 dollars if pre-registered and 25 dollars if you
register the days of the convention.  If anyone is interested in getting an
address where you can write to IAAPA and perhaps pre-register, please contact me.
 I don't have it with me but I will look up an address if someone is interested.

Now I have a question that my wife asked me.  How is the weather in Dallas at the
end of November?  What was the weather like for the last two Texas Giant cons? 
Especially in the early evening when we are supposed to have ERT?  Please let me
know.  Thanks in advance.

			Bill "I may be Texas bound" Figie  
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.)
Subject: TG III (was Re: Velvet & Velcro 
Keywords: Rattler and Texas Giant in one weekend
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:03:27 GMT

(David B. Hempling) writes:
>                                               I hear that the Giant III,
>the ACE ERT is coming up this month. Something like 5 hours of ride time
>with all those nasty brakes turned off. 


I thought it was in November...like the second or third weekend of November...
I left my ACE stuff at home. Does anybody have their newsletters handy?


Rendell
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Shuttle Loopers (was Re: Drachen Fire at Busch Gardens, VA
Keywords: drachen fire
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:44:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.204800.4815@ccd.harris.com> wjf@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie) writes:
>If you have never ridden one of these [shuttle loops], make plans to catch
>one in the next several years.  Because of maintenance problems they
>experience, it may not be too long before these become an endangered species.

Fear not.  The Tidal Wave at Great America in Santa Clara was down all last
year being renovated, and is back this year.  I can't believe they'd spend
all that time renovating something that they were planning on getting rid
of any time soon.

__   -paul asente
\/     asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

Feminism:  a socialist, anti-family political movement
           that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their
           children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and
           become lesbians.			-Pat Robertson
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From: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Re. "Beware of ripoffs" [Conneaut Lake]
Reply-To: buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:37:31 GMT

>Since I posted my original gripe, I heard a rumor that the concert act at
>Conneaut Lake that day was the Grateful Dead; any confirmation or negation
>of this info/rumor?

I heard the last concert (Labor Day) was Lynyrd Synyrd.  Although, the
Dead at CLP sounds remotely familiar (like maybe that one is on Sat?)


B.
From: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: Re: The Bat
Date: 2 Sep 1992 23:10:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf170@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin R. Russell)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, buck@cavlry.enet.dec.com () says:

>Kevin R. Russell writes:
>
>>I have contacts in the industry.
>>
>>have a nice day woodieheads
>
>I have contacts in the industry as well, but I don't tout
>such an ATTITUDE on the net becuase of it.
>
>
>just my 0.02...
>B.
>
Buck- Sorry for the attitude you percieved in my message RE:the bat
I was replying to a message asking for the source of my information,
and who I was.

I do not feel at liberty to answer those questions, so I gave the 
answer that you took offence to.

Again I apoligize

-- 
Kevin Russell	"The best roller coaster ride I ever had was when 
cf170		I cracked three ribs" 
		Unidentified ACE member
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From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 18:27:50 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Please Help
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

chaplin@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin) wrote:
>>The Mean Streak at CP is big and fast, but not much more exciting than
>>travelling 70 mph down the Ohio Turnpike.  No negative G's, no lateral G's,
>>no surprises.

And mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike) said:
>My feelings exactly! I thought the Mean Streak was ho-hum.

Too bad Dale's not here to defend the Mean Streak's honor! ;^)

(Does anyone besides Dale "Insert quote here" English like the Mean
Streak?)

Geoff ``I've never ridden it, so I wouldn't know'' Allen

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  Computers are useless.  
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  They can only give you answers.
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \		-- Pablo Picasso
From: foo@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.roller-coaster
Subject: A 6F Season's Pass Holder's Ramblings
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:23:49 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Wow!!  First year of having a 6 Flags Season's Pass and still enjoying it!!

I guess living 2 minutes from 6 Flags over Texas (and also having a season's
parking pass..) has given me a much BETTER experience than usual cause
I only go to the park when its not crowded (early morning and LATE evening)
and if the park is too packed for me.. I just go home (no long ride and all).

Now, I am HOPING this will happen.. but I don't know if I can pull it off.
(since I get free entrance to ALL 6 Flags parks across the country.. I am
trying to use that nice privilige.. :)

This Saturday.. I am going to try to drive to Houston to Astroworld for my
birthday.. then.. in early october.. driving to chicago and hope I can
see either 6F Mid-America or Great America.  Then before it closes.. gonna
try to get to Fiesta Texas and that GREAT Rattler!!  That would be 4 or
5 parks this year!! and only have to pay for 2!!  what a roller-coaster
lover's dream!!

Just wanted to say how happy I am to have a season's pass this year!!

Gina Gestautas
north@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
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From: maglione@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:43:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.151538.12968@sei.cmu.edu> mapike@sei.cmu.edu (Mary Ann Pike) writes:
>The Dips was an old wooden out-and-back with a lovely swooping return
>curve at the far end (the first thing that you would see as you drove into
>the park entrance). It was pretty long, from what I remember, and had a
>wonderful set of camelbacks coming in...lots of air time (in old-fashioned
>cars with only a lap bar and leather seatbelt).
>
>The Racing Whippet at the other end of the park was great, too. Completely
>built into a hillside, surrounded by trees (you couldn't see anything else
>in the park from this coaster). It was a continuous track racer, like the
>one at Kennywood, if I remember correctly. If you sat in the last seat
>(only seat belts on this one), you were absolutely thrown up in the air
>going down the first hill...there was no way to stay seated on this one.
> (stuff about the Little Dips deleted)
>I'm getting maudlin...better stop before I start dripping tears into my
>keyboard...

For Mary Ann and other interested parties out there, I highly recommend the
book "Goodbye Westview Goodbye" by Charles Jacque; if you have tears now
just recollecting, wait until you read this one and look at the photos that
Charlie has meticulously put together for this book. For me personally, I
regret having never experienced Westview park, and my own tears flow as I
recall memories from my childhood days at Willow Grove Park in Willow Grove,
Pa. (there is nothing left but a shopping mall there now). Willow Grove had
three great woodie coasters: The Scenic, a side-friction out-and-back scenic
railway ride; The Alps, a partly enclosed twister ride which featured mid-
train brakemen who rode and controlled on-board brakes with a big wooden
handle while riding; and The Thunderbolt, the rite-of-passage coaster: you
truly reached man/womanhood after riding this coaster. Gotta go, my keyboard
has shorted out from the salt in my own tears.
thanks for the (coasting) memories...
Tom.


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