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From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Listening
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:24:03 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <7490147@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
>> B) Studies have shown that Double Blind Testing masks audible
>> differences between components.

>This is very interesting - how were the differences determined to be
>"audible" in the first place?

>(Please note that I'm not disagreeing with the above statement - or agreeing
>with it, for that matter - I'd just like some further information.)


Yes please!  More information!  Just HOW do DB tests mask audible
differences!?

Is this along with the same thread that Musicians and ProAudioTypes
liked the sound of speakers that were different of what AudiophileS
liked?
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From: bollard@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Lee M. Bollard)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Suggestions on replacement speakers > $400?
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:23:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpspkla.27110008
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.

Consider NHT loudspeakers.  There are several models available.  All are
WINNERS.  The prices are extremely reasonable.

Crutchfield carries them, but I found much better prices on Shoppers
Advantage Club on compuserve.


Regards,

Lee Bollard              
HP Spokane Division
bollard@hpspkla.spk.hp.com
From: sbhattac@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU (Shankar Bhattacharyya)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Vandersteen recommendations....
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:01:13 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

In article <1992Apr10.212043.6516@walter.bellcore.com> sek@nvuxr.cc.bellcore.com (Spencer Kantor) writes:

>       .................  The Thiel's do not blow you over as do the
>Maggies or Martin-Logan. 

In what sense do the Martin-Logans blow you over? And which model was that?

- Shankar
From: joec@sneezy.ee.pdx.edu (Joseph M. Cipale)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Thought for the day
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:04:23 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <u-magpie.702614233@mcl> u-magpie@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark Dadgar -NeXT CC) writes:
>>->    
>>->    Wasn't Spinal Tap a BRITISH rock group?   
>
>>No.
>
>YES.
>
>- Mark
>
AAUGGGGGGHHHHHHH!  Aren't there better things to discuss than this :-)

Spinal Tap is and American band (sic) that was formed by a collection of 
comedians/actors (I beleive one of the fellows used to play Squiggy(?) from
Laverne and SHirly fame.)  In any case, it was aa group of actors that could
actually carry a tune in a leaky bucket as well as play musical instruments
with a bit of talent.  

The original intent was a farcical look at heavy metal music and rock band
live concert tours; guess what, THE DAMN THING DID OK!!!!  The last thing I
have heard on the matter is that these guys ( in order to revive a saggin
career no doubt :-) :-) ) are "on the road again".  I wonder if they will play in Shebogan?

Joe Cipale
From: sp3u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shiv Swarup Pathak)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: NAD or Nakamichi
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:03:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



I would like to thanks everyone who responded to my last postings and
helped me decide on the components of my stereo system (Cambridge
Soundworks Ensemble I 2 sat/2sub speaker system and Kenwood KVR-6040
100watt/ch Reciever.  But ONE and LAST question remains.  From what I've
been reading on this board, NAD and Nakamichi are very respectable names
and produce good CD players.  Within my price range, I have found two CD
players:  the NAD 5425 ($225) and the Nakamichi CDPlayer4 ($250).  From
the brief descriptions of each, it seems as if the NAD doesn't have as
many features as the Nakamichi.  Personally, I am mostly interested in
sound quality and don't care much about features (I only want resume and
random play).  
    The NAD does have that 1-bit MASH D/A converter compared to
Nakamichi's 18-bit D/A converter.  It also has a "low-imp output"
(whatever that means) and costs $25 dollars less.  
    On the other hand, the Nakamichi has "linear phase 3rd order
Bessel-type analong filtering; regulated power supply; isolated ground
topology; floating disc-drive mechanism, 3-inch CD compatability;
digital output terminal;" and other convenience features.
    Could anyone please sent me their opinions on what CD delievers best
sound quality and what is a better deal.  I must commit to one by day
after tomorrow.  PLEASE HELP ME!! Thanks.

-Shiv
From: gt0869a@prism.gatech.EDU (WATERS,CLYDE GORDON)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: JBL SPEAKERS FOR SALE
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:13:39 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr14.074128.25180@sequent.com> tmajni@sequent.com (Tim Majni) writes:
>
>JBL L250 speakers for sale.
>    7 years old.
>    Sell new for $5000. (yes, JBL still makes these speakers)
>

JBL just recently discontinued these, then known as the 250-Ti.
The change in name occurred due to the changeover to the titanium
dome tweeter they now predominantly use. Also noteworthy is the
fact that the old and new tweeters are dimensionally compatible,
so upgrade should be easy (just get the correct tweeter and x-overs
for the Ti version). IMHO, it would be well worth it. I have heard
L-112's (the baby brothers) converted and the highs were MUCH more
controlled and neutral, as well as extending higher.Again, IMHO.

Regards,
Gordon.

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From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:04:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Audiophile Bashing, was CD rot -- who gives a damn?
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.audio

>(Kurt Strain) / 10:42 am  Apr 13, 1992 /
>In rec.audio, garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen) writes:


>>   And then it was followed by a response from fellow audiophile Mike Chu
>>   that was *totally* clueless as to the irony of Kurt's feeble attempt
>>   at "humor".  Looks like we have the makings of a new oxymoron -
>>   audiophile with a sense of humor.

>Is this supposed to be funny?

Is THIS supposed to be funny?

- Gary Rosen
From: kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:42:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Audiophile Bashing, was CD rot -- who gives a damn?
Organization: Milky Way Galaxy
Newsgroups: rec.audio

In rec.audio, garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen) writes:


>   And then it was followed by a response from fellow audiophile Mike Chu
>   that was *totally* clueless as to the irony of Kurt's feeble attempt
>   at "humor".  Looks like we have the makings of a new oxymoron -
>   audiophile with a sense of humor.

Is this supposed to be funny?
From: jal8020@zeus.tamu.edu (LATHAN, JEFFREY ALLEN)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: KLH speakers
Keywords: KLH, speakers, quality
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:27:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have a small problem that maybe someone can help me with.  I am contemplating 
buying speakers, and I want some that sound good.  I am currently looking at KLH
speakers, and am wondering if anyone knows the sound quality of these speakers.

I would appreciate any response.  Thanks
From: CCEB001@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Phantom Hearing
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:42:34 GMT
Organization: THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN

The April 92 Scientific American has an article on phantom limbs with
a sidebar entitled "Phantom Seeing and Hearing."  I think it may be of
interest for its own sake as well as shed light on the difficulty of
meaningfull of audio testing procedures.  I quote the portion
relating to hearing.

    Phantom sounds are also extremely common, although few people
    recognize them for what they are.  People who lose their hearing
    commonly report noises in their heads.  These noises, called
    tinnitus, are said to sound like whistling, clanging, screeching, or
    the roaring of a train.  They can be so loud and unpleasant that the
    victim needs help to cope with the distress they cause.

    Some people with tinnitus report hearing "formed sounds," such as
    music or voices.  A woman who had been a musician before losing her
    hearing says she "hears" piano concertos and sonatas.  The impression
    is so real that at first she thought the sounds were coming from a
    neighbor's radio.  The woman reports that she cannot turn off the
    music and that it often gets louder at night when she wants to go to
    sleep.  Another woman, who had lost much of her sight and hearing,
    experienced both phantom sight and sound.  In one instance, she
    delightedly described seeing a circus and hearing the music that
    accompanied the acts.

    Phantom sight and sounds, like phantom limbs, occur when the brain
    loses its normal input from a sensory system.  In the absence of
    input, cells in the central nervous system become more active.  The
    brain's intrinsic mechanisms transform that neuronal activity into
    meaningful experiences.

There was no comment on whether the phantom sonata suffered from lack
of air and clarity, digital strings, or euphonic distortion.

There is no reason to suppose any of this is an "April fool."

Mike.Coyne@utxvm.cc.utexas.edui
Coyne@utxvm.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: rcw2g@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Rudi C. Wong)
Subject: 120V ---> 220V/240V
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:32:52 GMT


I have a receiver that is built for use with 120V. If I need to use it
in an outlet that outputs power in 220V/240V, what would I need to do?
(Assuming this is possible).

Thanks a priori.


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Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,misc.forsale,kw.forsale,uw.forsale
From: awelker@watarts.UWaterloo.ca (a welker)
Subject: FORESALE: Misc Stereo
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:46:52 GMT

Hello I have the following forsale:

Approx. 6 pairs of Jordan 50mm module aluminum cone drivers
2in. in diameter, 8 ohms, used in a project in speaker builder
New $156 per pair, asking $100 per pair or best offer, shipping included

Older Marantz reciever (when the were well built), all metal
I think it is about 30wpc and in excellent condition, Model 2230
It works perfectly except for the tuning meter which is dead.
Asking $150 or best offer, not including shipping.

One pair of Apature Ribbon tweeters. In the manufacturers black
cubical cabinets with adjustable level controls and built in
crossovers. I used these with older Magnapans and they worked well.
Paid $400, asking for offers around $200.

Andrew Welker
519-746-7312
e-mail: awelker@watarts.UWaterloo.ca
From: bp816@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Stuart Krivis)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: rec.audio.DIY <--- anyone interested?
Date: 7 Apr 92 04:45:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.044534.970
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I'm interested too! Putting DIY in the title sounds workable.
From: brianc@acuson.com (Brian Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Spinal Tap (was: thought for the day)
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:53:24 GMT
Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California

<basham@[128.157.59.2]> writes:

>In article <92098.171333JBEST@ESOC.BITNET> Jon <JBEST@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>> 
>> >> Wasn't Spinal Tap a BRITISH rock group?
>> 
>> > To tell the truth, I've never been sure.  Seem to recall that they were
>> > in the movie, but I believe the most recent incarnation of them that
>> > I've heard of was American.
>> 
>> Check out your local record shop. Believe it or not (I didn't) they've
>> just released a new album (!!???!) 'in conjunction with' several BIG
>> names in the rock world. Truth IS stranger than fiction after all...
>> 
>>    Jon

>There is a hillarious article in SPIN about Spinal Tap and their new
>album, Break Like the Wind. :-)  Let us all remember (or learn for
>the first time) that Spinal Tap was/is a joke band.  In fact, one of
>the members (Nigel, I think) is Lenny from the old TV show Lavern &
>Shirley; does any one know for sure?  The article is short so go to
>you local mag-stand and read it -- and remember, the band is a joke;
>even though SPIN says that the band is 25 years old (try less than
>10, they formed for the fake rockumentary "This is Spinal Tap").

>Bryan Basham

Just for the record... Nigel was (is) played by Christopher Guest, who
had a brief stint with Saturday Night Live,  (The Billy Crystal cast, I
believe) and also appears on numerous National Lampoon records.  Michael
McKean (sp?) was Lenny from Laverne and Shirly, and played the part of
David St. Hubbins III (???) (the blonde guy).  Harry Shearer was the 
Bass player (whose name I can't recall just now).  He is also the voice
of none other than Homer Simpson (as well as 85% of the other misc voices
on the Simpsons)  The drummers were too numerous to mention, other than
a guest appearance by Ed Begeley Jr. -- was he the one that died in a
bizarre gardening accident, or the one that choked on vomit (someone
else's)

					--BC--

-- 

Make sure that you do not to overanalyze the crud that comes out of your
keyboard when you turn it upside down and shake it...
From: wood@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Peter Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Thought for the day
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:08:06 GMT
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Transmission Product Development,
	Cambridge, UK

>>>>> On 6 Apr 92 14:45:28 GMT, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) said:
-> In article <180885@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.142522.24187@bristol.ac.uk> P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>>
>>In the intro to one of his last numbers he said 'There's one thing
>>you've got to understand about us Americans.  We believe that if it's
>>louder, it's more real.'  I immediately thought of rec.audio.
>   
>   Wasn't Spinal Tap a BRITISH rock group?   

-> To tell the truth, I've never been sure.  Seem to recall that they were
-> in the movie, but I believe the most recent incarnation of them that
-> I've heard of was American.

They're three AMERICAN actor/musicians who got together with Rob Reiner to
make a spoof movie about a rock band on tour.  The characters that they play
(St Hubbins, Tufnel and Smalls) are ENGLISH, who purport to come (as any fule
kno) from a suburb of East London called Squatney!  Rob "When Harry Met Sally"
Reiner co-wrote and directed the movie and appears in it as the documentary
maker DiBergi.

They (the three actors) have recently got together again and released an album
entitled "Break Like the Wind", in support of which they now appear to be
touring.

Hope this clarifies a few things.


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From: igarashi@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (John Igarashi)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Power amp suggestions
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:24:22 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.


	Anyone out there have opinions on Krell power amps? I know
	the prices are high so I've been thinking about trying to 
	find a used one. I need something very stable and capable
	of driving Acoustats. These get down to about 1 ohm and are
	very nasty loads for amps. Any other suggestions from 
	anyone would help. Thanks.

				  John

				igarashi@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com
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From: gfl@hera.uucp (27223-lenahan)
Subject: Re: A Golden-Ear perspective on CD players.
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:58:55 GMT
Summary: format is NOT the problem
Keywords: flame bait, CD accuracy

(Reha Elci) writes:
> The CD sampling rate is at 44Khz. Why hasn't anybody pointed out that this 
> sampling rate is not really sufficient to reproduce accurate high frequency
> signals?

Not so.  And many have said this, at length.  Now, before you
write me off as a closed-minded tin-ear, be aware that I'm a 
firm beleiver in high-end subjective differences, and I'm
well aware of the differences in CD players/ processors.
More at 11 o'clock.

> If the sampling rate was, say, 1Mhz or something, I would have
> believed fairly accurate reproduction of signals but just 2x the sampling
> rate of the frequency you are trying to quantify does not seem sufficient.

Maybe I'm misjudging you, but are you aware of Shannon's work on
digital encoding, and the Nyquist interval?  Or do you not beleive
the theory?  It states that a sampling frequency that is more than
(just more than) twice a pure frequency, can reproduce that
frequency *perfectly*.  Prove it to yourself; draw a sine wave
(all tones are sine waves, complex tones are combinations thereof),
and "sample it".  You have enough to re-draw it, given a good filter.

Therein lies the problem.  It's really, "gievn a good filter,
a good amplifier (wideband and overload tolerent), and a DAC
that's in spec, and good shielding, and etc.  

The moral is that implementations are flawed, and the "all sound the
same crowd" includes few individuals who'vbe actually made one work.
The format, on the other hand, is excellent.  Witness Madrigal's $15
grand # 30 processor (I've heard it - donations at the door).

> The number of bits is also somewhat of a problem. 16 bits mean, at best,
> 1 part in 65536 parts resolution. -20 * Log (1/65536) = 96.33 dB of
> dynamic range (is this how it is calculated??)
>. This also seems somewhat
> low if you are interested in accurate and detailed sound quantification.

Um, just how good is your amplifier / preamp / etc?  Most RIAA
sections, particularly those designed for MC cartridges, thus
having 60-70 dB of gain at 1 kHz, don't exceeed 80 dB.  If we're
comparing apples to apples (and some claim we're not, but that's
not the essence of your claim), i'll take 96.3 dB, thanks.
> 
> Given the specs above, it is not too shocking to hear how some people
> may prefer analog recordings, especially good ones, to CD reproductions.

Especially bad ones. :-), :-).

Grant
From: dkf8117@tamsun.tamu.edu (Duane)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Using filters to remove surround-sound hiss??
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:58:13 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

I have a Sony1070AV receiver (I like it, no flames) and have been trying
to figure out a way around the surround sound hiss problem.  It is quite
pronounced because I have full range s.s.speakers.  I have been told that
all you need in the rear is mid-range, because the surround sound signal
rarely contains anything higher.  Could someone in the know advise me to
the feasibility of adding some sort of "filter" to chop out everything
above mid-range ont the way to the speakers??

Duane


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From: markw@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Mark Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sherwood?
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:37:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino

Like Marantz, Harmon Kardon, Fisher, Crown, and Scott, Sherwood
was an old respected American firm which withered under the Japanese
onslaught in the early 1970s.  Mostly the names were picked up in bankruptcy
court by the Japanese multinationals.  Sherwood gear today is made in Korea,
but I think the parent company is Japanese.  They go where the labor cost 
is lowest today, so only the high-priced gear is still made in Japan.
Xref: sparky rec.audio:6975 rec.video.cable-tv:741
From: reddy@mips.com (T.S. Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video.cable-tv
Subject: DMX (Digital Music Channel)
Date: 6 Apr 1992 19:29:48 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: dish.mips.com
Originator: reddy@dish.mips.com

     Well, I finally took the plunge and subscribed to the DMX service. I
think it's pretty good. I am getting 30 channels of music of all varieties
(classical, opera, rock, top 40 etc.) with CD quality. A few channels do 
have noise but I think it's from the source rather than the transmission.
Also, the changeover from one song to another is not seamless.

     The decoder has a co-axial digital out which conforms to the Philips/Sony
standard (I don't have the number). I connected it to the digital input 
of my receiver. They transmit at 44.1 Khz which is the same as for Compact
Discs. I wonder what the modulating/demodulating scheme is though.

     Best of all, I can listen to music now without those annoying ads and DJs 
screaming half the time about how their station plays the most music. 
-- 
T.S.Reddy (e-mail: reddy@mips.com)
Newsgroups: rec.audio