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From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:12:15 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <8SEP199208502870@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.201922.49638@ccvax.ucd.ie>, wboatclb@ccvax.ucd.ie writes...
|> I've just heard on the the radio that Michael Andretti has signed
|> for McLaren. That's all the info I have. I thought I'd let all you
|> 'netters know ASAP. 
|
|I wonder if this means that Mario will finally retire from IndyCar :-)

   Dont count on it! I think ol Mario will be there at least till the
  end of 93 when his contract expires.

  -Dan
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: '93 IndyCar Schedule and Indy track changes
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:13:24 GMT


Here's the Vancouver-less tentative '93 IndyCar Schedule:

 3/21 - Australia
 4/ 4 - Phoenix
 4/18 - Long Beach
 5/ 2 - Houston
 5/30 - Indianapolis
 6/ 6 - Milwaukee
 6/13 - Detroit
 6/27 - Portland
 7/11 - New York City
 7/18 - Toronto
 8/ 1 - Michigan
 8/ 8 - New Hampshire
 8/22 - Cleveland
 8/29 - Road America
 9/12 - Mid-Ohio
 9/26 - Nazareth
10/17 - Laguna Seca


AutoWeek notes that the early May Houston race will begin seven consecutive 
weekends of activity through Detroit, including the two weekends of Indy
qualifying.  AW also says that CART/IndyCar is considering making all but
the two 500-mile races two-day events, with practice and qualifying on
Saturday.

Something else I haven't seen mentioned:  In addition to the new wall around
the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, there will be a new pit entrance and exit.
Cars will still be able to enter the pits from Turn Four, but there will also 
be a new entrance beginning in Turn Three.  The new pit exit has new pavement 
around the inside of Turn One and the short chute before cars blend onto the 
track coming out of Turn Two.  Both the new exit and entrance will have 
rumble strips and/or grass separating them from the track, making it narrower 
through the corners where cars will no longer be able to run below the white 
line.  (AW has a photo showing the short grooves cut into the pavement
perpendicular to the white line in Turn One.)  Mario Andretti says he likes
the warm-up apron apect of the changes, keeping slower cars out of the way,
but he also thinks the narrowing of the corners will make passing more 
difficult.

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From: conrad@pico.OZ (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren (but where's Little Al?? =)
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:54:16 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
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aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A) writes:
: Other rumours suggest that Mansell and Williams are near to a settlement which 
: will see him in their car for 93.  It is said that Renault is especially keen 
: to retain his services, and as such are trying as much as possible to 
: accomodate his wishes.  Personally, I think they should tell him to "shut up,
: sign the bloody paper, and get out there and drive the f***ing car!!" 
: 
They did & he spat the dummy.  Mansell has announce that he will NOT be
driving in '93.

Rumour has him playing Indy

Conrad
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Alboreto - was Report and Results from Italy (spoiler)
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:21:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: rdg.1992Sep15.162134.17648
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


In article <x_zn#cf@lynx.unm.edu>, wolf@pioneer.unm.edu (Mark Giaquinto) writes:
|>
|>Why does is seem to me that Alboreto or De Cesaris(sp!) has a lock on 7th,
|>the later has is 5 times and the former at least 7....

Alboreto's Footwork has been a paragon of reliability.  There are 5 teams
with consistently faster cars than the Footwork:  Williams, McLaren, Benetton,
Lotus, Ferrari.  Out of this group, there's been on the average 4 DNFs per
race (different cars each time, but generally 4 per race).  That leaves those
cars in the top 6 positions and Alboreto 7th.

--PSW
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Fassell-Vega
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:13:48 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
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Alan Edward Petrillo (ap2z+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: 
: Facel-Vegas were French cars built in the late '50s.   As the French
: industry was in something of a disarray, most were powered by
: first-generation Chrysler Hemis.   They were pretty expensive cars, in
: the class of a Jaguar sedan of the time, I'd say.   I wish I knew more -
: 350 hp or so in a car of European handling and size sounds like a great
: idea to me.
: 
: Alan Petrillo
: Carnegie Mellon
: (I can see the Tower of Learning from my window.)

The big Facel-Vegas were powered by Chrysler hemis, but the chassis was a
bit agricultural. In particular, the four door version was not rigid enough
- it had a very stylish pillarless body, which unfortunately flopped around
in anything approaching non-ideal conditions. The smaller Facel-Vegas mostly
had Volvo engines as far as I remember, although I think some had a Pont de
Nemours (?spelling) 4 cylinder unit which didn't exactly set the world
on fire either.

Beautiful cars, for the most part; pity they didn't perform very well... I
think the large ones were _far_ more expensive than a Jaguar of the
same era, though.

pete
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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Trivia answers
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:01:02 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

burden_d@oass.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>Here are the answers and replies to the latest F1 Trivia questions.  I actually
>missed two drivers from the second question when I came up with the statement
>that 9 drivers qualified, so next time I won't put in any hints so I won't
>have to admit I made a mistake! :-)
>
>>2 (a bit more difficult): Name the drivers who have come soooooo close to 
>>winning the WDC, yet never have.  This is determined by finding drivers who 
>>could have won the title in the last race of the year, but didn't.  Also, 
  *****
>>don't include any driver in this situation who had a previous WDC title or 
>>won it later on.  (Hint: there are 9 different drivers)
>
>% From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)

>(Dan got all but Didier Pironi, which I can almost accept since he wasn't
>really capable of driving after his accident during practice for the German
>GP)

I intentially left Pironi off the list because he wasn't physically capable
of racing at the last race.  He would have needed to finish 4th or better
to win the WC.  For the same reason, I left Wolfgang von Trips off because
he was killed at Monza before the last race.

Anyway, keep the trivia questions coming.  Thanks,

Dan Jones
From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: 9 Sep 1992 16:47:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, wboatclb@ccvax.ucd.ie () says:

>
> I've just heard on the the radio that Michael Andretti has signed
> for McLaren. That's all the info I have. I thought I'd let all you
> 'netters know ASAP. 

I live in the U.S.A, and I have to wait 2 days until I read net news
before I know that Andretti signs with Mclaren, while people in other
countries find out before us?  That's ridiculous.  I read newspapers.
>
> Rob.
>
From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Indy and "rookies" [was Re: M. Andretti, what a deal for Mclaren!!]
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:04:25 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

In article <1992Sep14.132514.29086@fang.att.com> agwiii@fang.att.com 
(Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92)) writes:
>I agree that Indy has special safety problems, but you are mistaken
>about the reason that Indy cars do not use carbon fiber tubs.
>The carbon fiber tubs are "not liked by indycar designers" because they
>are more expensive and involve change to a new technology.

I think Penske uses carbon fiber tubs--I'm not sure about the Truesports car.  
But Lola has said that their current process for constructing aluminum 
tubs is actually more expensive than carbon fiber processes.  They maintain
that they are unconvinced of the safety of a carbon fiber tub at a place like 
Indy, which might involve multiple high-speed impacts with a wall.  Of course,
I don't think a "change to a new technology" would be a problem for Lola, 
since carbon fiber is used a great deal outside of the tub.

--
Jay C. Smith
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: HONDA will leave.
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:51:10 GMT

Note to McLaren:

"For help with your engine problems, dial 1-800-SVO-FORD"
and tell them Michael sent you.
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Subject: Re: McLaren to use BMW V-10
From: Stuart_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Stuart Laing)
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:28:29 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Billy Bob (Brundle) in an Indy car, no way if he does start racing on
the wrong side of the Pond it should be in a Nascar . Isn't the 43 Car
vacant next season.
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 15:00:08 EST
From: <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: CART - Highest Attrition?

One of the races I attended at Michigan Int'l Speedway
I believe was 85 or 86 in which only 7 cars finished
and several of those were many laps down due to crashes
and mechanical failures. 3 of the 7 that finished were
all from the galles team, Unser Jr. many laps down and
cruising the apron, Geoff Brabham, and Roberto Moreno.
Most of the retirements were from crashes. Track crews
were more or less piling the cars in heap behind the
inside gaurdrail in front of where I was sitting.

                                         Mike
From: goyal@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Mansell stays with Williams for 93
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:49:19 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


WRONG! Mansell has resigned from F1 starting next season
-- 
sameer goyal
goyal@ccu.umanitoba.ca
From: boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Patrese in the late 70s
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:14:38 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:

[ref. the death of Ronnie Peterson]

>... Then David Hobbs said that the driver
>that was most active against Patrese then, was probably more dangerous
>than Patrese AND came to be World Champion a few years later.

> I guess I am too young to remember any of this, so if someone knows
>who David Hobbs was referring to, and maybe some more details on the
>whole issue...

I think he must've been referring to James "The Shunt" Hunt, who does the
commentary for the BBC!

>Thanks,

toufic
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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Who's at Newman-Haas (was: Andretti signs for McLaren)
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:52:56 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>>wboatclb@ccvax.ucd.ie writes...
>> I've just heard on the the radio that Michael Andretti has signed
>> for McLaren. That's all the info I have. I thought I'd let all you
>> 'netters know ASAP. 

Mark Giaquinto writes about a Michael replacement:
> Let's see who's open, Eddie Cheever (doubtful
>after the Cheever-Andretti whining wars), Teo Fabi who drove for Mario
>when he was out, Scott Pruett who is looking for a ride?
>
>What if Mario stays for his last year, what then, do they sign Jeff or 
>John to keep it an all Andretti team?  I personally can't see Ed. Cheever
>and Mario on the same team.
>
>Any other guesses?????

I think Fabi is the best bet right now.  What ever happened to Forsythe?!
Arie Luyendyk?  Stefan Johanssen?  I could see the Luyendyk choice.  He has
some sponsorship, has the experiance.....  I think Cheever is probably out
of a ride (that's Eddie and not Ross) unless Foyt picks him up.....  I'm
not sure if Pruett impressed enough of the right people over the last few years.
Maybe Horne will form his own team next year.  This Andretti thing really
screws things up........ I LOVE it........

Rob U, Indy NEEDS an Andretti to dominate and break.... come on John!

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From: BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: NASCAR: Bye bye Hut?!
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:27:30 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


       Just read in this mornings paper that Bobby Allison
       fired Hut shortly after the race on Sunday. There
       will be a different driver behind the wheel on Saturday.
       Bobby? Hope not.
From: james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hart Engines
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:44:44 GMT
Organization: Bridge Information Systems

In article <BuLCox.Gwt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield) writes:
>My question is when did Hart come up with a new design for a V-10???
>He has been one of the tuners/rebuilders of customer Ford engines
>forever (like Heini Mader), but I have NEVER heard of his OWN engines,
>like John Judd. 

Brian Hart built his own four-cylinder 1.5L engines during the turbo
era. They were used by Toleman/Benetton for a time. I can't remember if
anyone else used them. Teo Fabi put one on the pole once (Spain?, in
'85?), although this was ascribed more to the Toleman's excellent
chassis than the engine. They were fairly unsuccessful, leading to
constant jokes about cars dropping out due to "Hart failure".
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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: I had a (F1) dream...
Date: 9 Sep 92 04:00:24 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Jeff Freymueller writes:

>>Long beach went from F1 to CART with virtually *no* loss of gate revenues,
>>while cutting the sanction fees, purse, etc by a factor of 10.
>>
>I think the gate did drop. I remember hearing in '88 or '89 that the
>attendance at the IndyCar race had finally topped the attendance at the
>last F1 race. Now of course it is higher. 

I believe that you are right that the gate dropped initially, but I think it
came back sooner than '88 or '89.  However, I don't have any facts to back
that up, so maybe I should just shut up :-).  Now days the gate is much
bigger than the F1 days, but this should probably be owed to the increase
in casual popularity of autoracing these days.  It seems to me that the 
majority of the gate at LongBeach is nothing but a bunch of drunks that know 
little about autoracing.  Earlier this year when I gave Mario a piece of my 
mind on his walk back to the paddock after his incident, I almost got my head
taken off by some fool that can't identify with anyone but a guy named Mario.
On average, I was much more impressed by the knowledge of the fans at Phoenix
last year.

>Phoenix, of course, is another
>matter. Why they (Phoenix and/or Bernie E.) thought they could make money
>having an F1 race in a part of the country that has never heard of F1 (and
>obviously didn't care about it), I'll never understand. Oh, I'm sure
>Bernie made money off the deal, but the city took a bath ...

Part of this equation isn't so easy to calculate.  By putting your name on
the map, how much does this add to the local economy?  LongBeach made out
very well this way and I think that Bernie and Company tried to convice the
Phoenix folks the same would happen there.  You're right, Bernie probably
made money in the short run, but I don't know how wise he was in the long
term.  But then, that's the way Bernie thinks.   He probably cost himself
the USGP for a few years (I'm only hoping).

Dan Jones
From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Generic Racing Tidbits
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:56:57 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <1992Sep3.150745.12589@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>
>I believe his name is Bill Broderick, who has been with Unocal for

 Not sure on the spelling, but that is his name.

 The last 2 years at Pocono they have closed the track on Friday for Bill
 to drive a special car (convertable w/tripod mounted camera) around the
 track. Via the NASCAR radio (yes I listen with my scanner) I learned
 they were making driver safety videos. For who? I have no idea.

>At most of the races, notice that he's always the first guy to the
>car in victory lane.  I read something once about how orchestrated
>and serious the 'hat-exchange' really is.

 Yes those exchanges are very precise. Its important what hat is worn
 and in what order. The actual victory circle phots last much longer
 than we TV folk get to see. There are all the tv sports shows that
 get interviews, photos for the media and more. If your not in a hurry
 after a race, stick around and watch sometime.

 -Dan
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From: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: Mansell (sigh!) to quit F1?
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:59:02 GMT
Reply-To: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk (Aghanya O A)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Greetings.

In complete contradiction of the post I made a few days ago, I heard on the 
radio this morning that Mansell had announced his retirement from F1.  I
must confess to being confused, because the papers all have him as being
undecided, and even say that he was publically seen talking to *Ron Dennis*
of McLaren.

The James and Murray show starts in less than an hour, and I'm sure we will
be updated then.  Personally, I'm getting sick and tired of all this sh*t,
and am beginning to think "well f*@# off then!".

Still, hope the race is good.  More later.

Cheers,

	Obi.

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From: keith@swdc.stratus.com (Keith Wandry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Long Beach Going's-On
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:47:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

I don't know if this pertains to any of the current happenings
in Formula 1, but I thought I'd just passthis along and see
if anyone else has any info.

When Long Beach decided to hold Grand Prix events thru its
streets, a group was formed to organize the event. This became
known as the Long Beach Grand Prix Association. They sold stock
in the association, which I purchased some of when it was initially
offered. Mind you, it was more for the benefits of being a 
"shareholder" than an investment! What I really wanted was the 
benifit of getting trackside access, access to the press room,
preferential parking, and all the other side benefits, which I 
have indeed enjoyed since that time. Anyway, ever since I've owned
the "stock" it has always been that if you ever sold it, you sold
all the benefitrs along with it. What I find strange is, just last
month I received a letter from the LBGPA saying that they were
purchasing stock from shareholders and would allow them to keep
all the privledges if they sold the stock back to the LBGPA.
This seems abit strange to me, does anyone know if they have
something up their sleeve? The letter seemed to almost beg for the
stock back. It almost felt like it was written by someone like
Bernie Eccelstone (he with a scam up every sleeve). 

Just thought I'd toss this out for speculation....

Keith
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From: barkerb@slab.unt.edu (BOB BARKER)
Subject: MR2 Club
Organization: School of Library & Info Sci, UNT
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:29:27 GMT

I may be on the wrong group but here goes anyway - Could anyone tell me if 
there is a national MR2 club?  I know there was one out of Florida a year or 
so back but I lost track of it.  More to the point - does anyone know of a 
club in the Dallas/Fort Worth area?  Any input would be greatly appreciated.

thanks in advance

bob barker		barkerb@slab.unt.edu
From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: The Andretti Shuffle [possible Mid-Ohio Spoiler]
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:53:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9209141350.AA22872@yngvi.wbst147>, MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM 
(Mark Jackson) writes...
>In article 11784@cbnewsc.cb.att.com, dwv@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Dave Vollman) 
>writes: 
>> Now for the real question, who is going to coach Nigel on the following line:
>> 
>> "The Havoline K-mart dirt devil cellular one lola cosworth ran great all 
>>day."
> 
>It will be tough.  Perhaps they can start out easy:
> 
>"The Havoline K-mart dirt devil cellular one lola cosworth had a
>handling problem from the start, but I was able to adjust."

Naw...  The real thing that Nigel will be coached to say:

"We're really not sure what gave out on the Havoline K-Mart Dirt Devil 
Cellular One Lola Cosworth, but we're pretty sure that it wasn't engine 
failure." 

Which kind of reminds me - what was the "official" cause of Michael's 
retirement from the Pioneer 200?

JD
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