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From: tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  C= policy (Re: Apple problems "Home computer")
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:54:41 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <1992Apr10.101235.26481@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>
>I think that the 586 will cause all the lower cpus to shuffle down one level,
>with the 286 dropping out completely.  This happened when the 486 came in - can
>you buy a new XT now?  Many companies already don't sell 286 systems.  So, I
>doubt that anyone will end up paying less money - they'll just be getting more
>powerful systems for the same amount.

	
	Heh. With the var prices on SX motherboards under 200$ I would
say 286's are effectively dead.




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From: 2frwreel@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Wild rumor, potential for massive sea change in Amiga world...
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:21:17 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr15.143822.9901@ra.msstate.edu>, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip 'AdaX' Sauls) writes:
> In article <1992Apr15.011619.7706@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr14.173411.10287@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes:
>>>By Winter, Atari will be offering everything that the Amiga has anyways.
>>
>>   By winter, Commodore should have finally announced their new systems
>>(if the rumors are correct).  I don't expect to be too wild about them, but
>>they should be enough to marginally beat the new Atari systems.
> 
> If C= released an Amiga with the power of an Indigo for $300 you would find
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey, I'd be surprised if Commodore released anything at all!!!!
Oh sorry, let me qualify that...I mean anything that the Amiga
community desperately needs(ie. 68040 System, RTG, New Custom Chips,
High Density Floppy Drive, Floptical Drive, SCSI II controller, etc.
etc. etc.......)


 
> some way to complain about it.
> 
> Skip Sauls                     //    Graduate Student & Instructor
> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu    \X/     CS Department, University of Mississippi 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Juicy tidbits
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:59:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.201358.24396@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>OK, let's go ahead and add 16- and 24-bit graphics to the list of things
>>Amiga users, in their wisdom beyond years, find unnecessary.
>
>Oh, so one guy speaks for all Amiga users.  Interesting.  I have not even
>met him.  Besides that, I disagreed with much of what he said.  (I, for
>one, want 24-bit+ graphics and high resolution.)  Let's add gross exaggeration
>to the list of things Mr. Shekhel dishes out.
>

OK, I deserved that.  I apologize for the exaggeration.

>-- Gerald
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: The new A600/A600HD & A500 CD.
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:54:55 GMT

gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
: I am more interested in the use of the computer.  Potential does not
: sell well, at least not to me.  If an increased bandwidth had been
: included, with new graphics modes, then the new chipset would be an
: excellent upgrade.  All I can say about it now is, "Super Hi-res.
: Productivity mode.  Ooooo.  Aaaahhh."

Well, I tend to look a little deeper.  I can see at least some of the
tremendous amount of work it must have taken to make a Denise that can
do 31KHz.  I can see future benefits, as well as current usability.
And I can see it as a smart move.  Tell all the productivity users
that their mode is useless.  Tell the ones that could afford to buy
the Multisync, but couldn't get the Display Enhancer, that a mode that
allows them to have really big, non-interlaced screens that the mode
is useless, and they'll tell you otherwise.

Then there's the fact that they make great WB resolutions, and the
fact that Productivity-Interlaced is a really BIG useful resolution
for lots of applications which require looking at full pages...

There are applications for technology everywhere--The hardest thing to
do is to find them.

Greg
-- 
"Walking in London, and you are watching me walk,      gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
 Talking Italian, and you are watching me talk,            Gregory R Block
 Singing in Sydney, and you are sitting right there,
 Feeling you with me, everywhere, everywhere."  -Concrete Blonde
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From: peterk@public.sub.org (Peter Kittel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:22:58 GMT
Organization: Public News & Mailserver, Commodore Germany PM UNIX, Frankfurt

mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:

>  Also, the bridgeboard adds quite a load on your CPU, since
>it has to poll the 8088 to see if the CGA screen memory has changed.  

Minor misconception here: The Amiga CPU does not poll, but the interface
circuitry only generates an interrupt when a write to the video memory
area is detected. So, as long as the BB sits idle or prints nothing to
screen, the Amiga does not slow down.

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From: harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Considering switching to IBM
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:52:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Apr5.172231.1382@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
>Gregory Harp writes that a multiprocessor card for some system uses Motorola 
>chips, 1 040, 10 020's, in response to my post about multiprocessing. Well,
>I never claimed that there is a physical limitation against it. There are
>many multiprocessed 386 systems, and the 386 is not a multiprocessing 
>processor like the 486 is. So it is possible. But not common, harder to do,
>and less efficient.

Please explain that last statement.

I'm not aware of _anything_ in the Intel line of processors that makes
them better candidates for multiprocessing systems.  I'm wondering if
you actually have any idea how multiprocessing systems work...

BTW, there isn't really much of anything that is easy to do with an
Intel chip, compared to Motorola, IMO.

Also, out Motorola-based multiprocessing system isn't just one card.
It's several.  Actually, each processor is part of its own SBC
(single-board computer) and they are all plugged into a VME rack.
But that's just picking nits...

Greg
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           "We're not hitchhiking anymore.  We're riding!" -- Ren
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   Considering switching to IBM
Distribution: world
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:44:43 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Apr9.121306.54338@cc.usu.edu> slvj6@cc.usu.edu writes:
>[...]
>>>There is a local sysop here in Savannah That runs a 33Mhz 486 based BBS
>>>He operates 2 ports with Desqview. Although I have never been on his BBS
>>>while both ports are active. I do know that 3 other 386/486 based BBS's 
>>>that have tried going multi-port have always had port hanging and crashes.
>>>No reports from Mr.Desqview.. Maybe he is hiding the truth??
>> 
>> With properly written BBS software, OS/2 2.0 should handle multiple users
>> just fine.  Even OS/2 1.0 could have done the job.
>[...]
>
>The only way I've seen PC's handle two ports at the same time was when they had
>serial chips with internal FIFO's.
>Then it works pretty well... unless your using Windows 3.0 on the system.
>It seems to have problems at times.
>
>This is only on the systems *I've* seen though.

Of course it all depends on what speed you're running your serial ports at.
The NS16550AFN UART is so cheap, that there isn't any reason not to install
it and use a proper driver.  The old 8250/16450 had 1 byte FIFOs, which were
adequate for the 2400 BAUD state of the art of the early 1980s.  The 16550
has 16 byte FIFOs which cut way down on the number of interrupts serviced.

2400 BAUD modems are still sold and used by more people than higher speed
models.  OS/2 or UNIX could easily handle multiple ports at those speeds
without upgrading the UARTs.

My main point is that OS/2 and UNIX are multi-tasking by design, and are
thus better able to deal with multiple processing BBS software packages
than MSDOS or MSDOS plus some kludge add-on like Windows or Desqview.

Amigados should be fine for multiport BBS systems.  Support for fast serial
devices is already there.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: 8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.OZ.AU ()
Subject: Re: New Commodore Computers
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:51:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.025554.5398@seq.uncwil.edu> drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins) writes:
>David, I downloaded some renderings of fonts done in TurboSilver
>awhile ago. They are very nice. It seems that too many people
>post in the newsgroups to flame others. We very rarely see compliments.
>
>I enjoyed viewing your renderings. They inspired me to buy Imagine and
>I am glad I did.
>
>I wish you would post more of your creations to ab20. 

Not for long, AB20 is shitting down :-(. Were is the new home going to be
for the Amiga ?
>Well, that's all I wanted to say.
>
>
>-- 
>David Rollins: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu | VOICE: (919) 763-4115 
>
>GO AHEAD, SQUEEZE THE WEEZE. IT'S OKAY. MANY PEOPLE LIKE TO. 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Memory duplication.
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:55:22 GMT

har@ux.acs.umn.edu (--SeebS--) writes:
>
>[memory sharing among application instances]
>
>Actually, neither of them does, normally. Even the most efficient unixes
>recognize that some data can not be shared intelligently between invocations -
>if each of your invocations of a given editor *must* be on the same file,
>and must be at the same line number, and must use the same window, and
>so on, you are not gaining much by running it five times; on the other
>hand, if you keep separate copies of all the data, you use more memory.
>

Both UNIX (modern versions) and Windows know how to share code segments
among instances of the same application.  Data, of course, cannot be shared,
except for constant data.  And that's true for *all* OS's, including ADOS.
You do know the difference between code and data, don't you?

>
>Well, unix and amigados probably do it much *better* than windows; I would
>be rather suprised if windows had caught up with unix, which after all
>is only about 15 years old. :)
>

Where do you get your BS?  Tell me, how does ADOS do code sharing better
than Windows?  What is it about the way UNIX does it that makes it better
than Windows?  Why don't you get informed, OK?  Please?

>
>Peter Seebach, using my fiancee's acount. (Please use "SEEBS" in the subject
>
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From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: beer and the amiga
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:15:56 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Distribution: comp
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Apr12.220201.27901@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> w8ts@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (M Crevatin AMIGA #1) writes:
>>Q:  Why is American beer like making love in a canoe?
>>A: Because its F&%#@ng close to water...

>I tend to agree with my friend there, american beer SUCKS!!  

By volume, _most_ US beer is worthless.  But if you looked at the US computer
market or car market the same way, you'd all be using 386SX machines and 
driving Ford Escorts or Chevvy Chevettes.

A few from the list of good US beers: Philly's own Dock Street, Samuel Adams 
(any variety), Pete's Wicked Ale (they also make a good Lager and Porter), 
Anchor Steam, Sierra Nevada, Blackened Voodoo, just to name a few.  

>I'm partial to Moosehead Premium Dry, which I understand is available in 
>the state...try it, and see waht *REAL* beer is  :^)

Canadian beer is OK if you're real thirsty (some from Mexico, Australia, 
Brazil, Japan, China, Indonesia, German Weisbeer, etc. also work here too).  
Basically, Canadian beer is like generic US beer that tastes good.  With few 
exceptions do you (at least in the states) find any piss-water, but neither 
do you find anything with a real strong taste, like a German Dopplebock or 
practically anything from the British Isles or Belgium.  Molson Brador is one
exception, but aside from that, it's hard to tell a Canadian lager from a 
Canadian ale if you don't read the label.

Not that I'd turn any of these down at the moment....
-- 
Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"
   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh      BIX: hazy
      "What would they do if I just sailed away?" -Jimmy Buffett
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: What will it take to turn CBM around???
Keywords: What do we do about this?
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:25:30 GMT

tron1@tronsbox.UUCP (Kenneth Jamieson) writes:
>sclever@nmt.edu (Shawn Clever) writes:
>>*** What can WE do as users to ensure the survival and further development
>>of one of the best-designed, multi-tasking platforms ever created??  ***
>
>	Unfortunately, not much IMHO. For 7 years (ok, I quit after
>the first 5) we have been doing everything we can. We have been
>sneaking them into work, talking our bosses into buying them, selling
>'em retail and wowing millions of IBM owners.
>
>	And, to carry on the fight, C= gives us the 600. :-{

I know what you mean.  When someone would ask what computer I have, I would
say an Amiga; I would then go on to describe the amazing features of the
machine.  Now when someone asks, "What is an Amiga?", my response is, "Just
a computer."  Let Commodore do their own advertising.

-- Gerald
From: lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 040 and 486_
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:57:47 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Apr12.012626.14160@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
> Iknow the 040 is faster at floating point than the 486, but it is not 3 times as fast as some claimed. These tests showed otherwise. They show that a 50 MHz 

Yes it is. Probably not on transcendentals, but on most common floatingpoint
instrustions it is. And guess which ones jas more weight on those stupid
benchmarks of yours.

> 486 is faster than a 25 MHz 040 at floating point. (yes the 50 MHz will go

You are an idiot. I've posted (via email - as you wrote to wrong area) you all
proof why 50 MHz 486 is slower than 68040 in most common floatingpoint
calculations. 486 might be faster on more rarely used transcendentals. But also
you fail to see that those floating point benchmarks have lots of integer
instructions too. And If they have as many transcendentals (or more as it's
common) than for example multiply & addition instructions you will get a false
result from your benchmark as in real life you'll use more those simple
fp-instructions.

> twice as fast as the 25 MHz, before anyone posts some junk about the comparison
> being done with a 25 MHz chip, not a 50). They show that the two chips are the
> same at integer. This is what I have been saying, and what other tests have been saying. And these tests are CPU tests, not I/O bound tests. The point was
> to compare the CPU's.

Why do you always blindly trust on all benchmarks? What do you think when two
different benchmarks give you totally different results? Why don't you sometime
check which CPU don't have copyback and uses more cycles per instruction and
has single unified cache and wastes transistors to 8086-emulation?

> Nish Patel   nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Please, stop writing your clueless postings as you do not seem to know
anything about what your talking about.

--
Jarkko Lindblad
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dano@usl.edu (Dan Stephenson)
Subject: Re: PC Prices, Reality Check (was Re: switching to IBM)
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:11:12 GMT

stuartm@rocksalt.Eng.Sun.COM (StuartM) writes:

[Tells how 486 deals are better deals than A3000]

>I am not saying that one is better than the other.  I just want to inform
>many Amiga users that a good 486/33Mhz system can be had for a lot less
>than most of the flame posters in this group would think.

>To top it off, the 486 DX2 25MHz / 50MHz systems add 35% performance and
>	not a lot of cost.

I read in a recent INFOWorld saying that Compaq sold their DX225/50Mhz
486 machine for $100 more. Sure, it's Compaq=expensive, bt you catch my
meaning.  In two months every major vedor will do this/cut <DX2
machines'
prices.

-Dan
.

>-Stuart		stuartm@eng.sun.com		These are only my opinions.
--
Daniel Anthony Stephenson, player of Praetorius, namer of The Solarium.
dano@srl01.cacs.usl.edu das9674@usl.edu
"I can be, what I want to, and all I need is to get my boogie
down"- Al Jarreau.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: sah@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Sikamikanico)
Subject: Re: Voice your opinion to Commodore -- a free opportunity.
Reply-To: sah@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Sikamikanico)
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:14:51 GMT

In article <moose.3455@swamp.UUCP> moose@swamp.UUCP (Michael Dinn) writes:
)
)Here's what I propose to do.
)
)Once I get a load of suggestions (I'd like ~100 at least and I know there's
)more than that out there on the net) I'll take them into WordPerfect on my 
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^

WordPerfect??  That's probably the worst way to make something look official.
At least have someone loan you ProWrite or FinalCopy, or go to the 
university's labs and use their word-processors.
From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Apple problems "Home computer"
Date: 11 Apr 92 14:32:06 GMT
Organization: Lysator Computer Club, Linkoping University, Sweden

davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.012437.16308@nic.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>> 
>>	Depends on how much CBM intends to charge for it.   I've read two 
>>  rumors on the net, one is around $250 and the other is a little less then 
>>  the A500+ ( which I think was selling for $599 ).

>Both could well be right.  It's standard practice to charge a high price
>initially, to get all the suckers who'll pay that much to buy first.  Expect
>the price to then drop quite low just before the Christmas buying season
>(only six months off...).  It's just marketing.

  Personally I think the reason why they have priced it so high initially
is that the dealers want to sell off their A500 stocks first... I know some
CBM dealers here in Sweden got _very_ mad when the A600 was announced since
they had tons of A500's in stock. Seems as if CBM didn't inform the dealers
before the general public... Sad.

>David Meiklejohn                  | Internet : davidme@qdpii.comp.qpdi.oz.au

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Amiga - Did I make a mistake?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:54:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.124834.24880@ms.uky.edu> justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan) writes:

[ ]
>
>UNDERSTAND COMPUTING!? PCs are not intended to sit on a desk and look pretty  
>all day. They are not playthings. They tend to be very boring, yes (but have  
>the greatest games.. :), but they are workhorses. That's why computing is here,  
>and that is why it stays. Because it gets work done. If businesses did not  
>consider computers useful, computing would have died out long ago (although we  
>know this will never happen... just for the sake of argument).
>Only an idle observation.. Time to get back to Windows 3.1 (with Civilization  
>running in the background :)

If it were up to business to lead the way in innovation we would all be using
candles. There are other important uses for computers. Moreover, in my opinion
if it's not fun, challenging,etc...it's not worth doing. I'd much rather
work on a computer/article/book/etc...that I enjoy than on a "workhorse".
The "workhorse" attitude has hurt a lot of very talented people.
>
>> Just my 2 cents worth.
>
>You forgot the tax.. 

Sorry, my $2 worth.

Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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