From: kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. President)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion.inequity
Subject: Re: Flogging an Undecided (formerly: The Disease is Cropping...)
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:50:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Ron
>Kevin W.
>>Ron
>>>Kevin B.


>>>BTW, unprovoked or not, it is still a deliberate emotional stab. How
>>>is Anti-Abortion an emotioanl stab?

>>Hey, call me Anti-Abortion if you want.  Call me Pro-Life if you want.
>>I'm both.  You're Pro-Abortion.  You are for the existence of abortion;
>>you're pro-abortion.

>The emotional stab was pro-death, or did you neglect that little part?

Okay, pro-death-of-the-fetus-in-abortion

>Pro-choice means that we are for the existance of choice between having
>a child, adoption, or abortion. Whatever the woman decides. Not a third
>party. It's kind of a live-let-live viewpoint. (and Kevin will attempt
>to twist this)


Hey, I'll twist no one's words.  But I will now acknowledge that from
you're definitions I am definitely pro-choice:  choice between having
the child and adoption.  Hey, I'm pro-choice, not anti-choice.


>Pro-abortion connotes that one wishes to force abortion on unwilling
>women, whereas your stance is definitely pro-forced-birth. Only one
>person so far makes the claim that they are pro-abortion, but I have
>the feeling he may be joined soon....

Hey, I'm not pro-forced birth.  I'm pro-let live.

>>>>If it walks, talks, acts like a duck ...

>>>Gee, you've seen a fetus walk, talk, act????????

>>I've seen one act.  I've seen one move about.  Seen a new baby walk?
>>Seen a new baby talk?  I haven't.  But hey, they're not persons either;
>>let's legalize infanticide now....there NOT persons...

>Ahhh, but they're not parasitic lifeforms in the sense of a fetus, now
>are they?

Sure they are.  Infants need their mommies and daddies to feed them.
They suck on their parents' money.

fetus requires money.  infant requires money.  fetus requires food.
infant requires food.  Resources come from parents.  ANy questions?  Good.

>Infanticide and euthanasia are not what this group is for, I believe.

They are logical conclusions from the decisions that defend abortions.

>>>At 8 weeks, it's not much more than a blob.

>>No, at about 10 days it's pretty much a blob.  At 8 weeks, it looks pretty
>>human...maybe that's...because it IS human.  I dunno, Judi.  What do you
>>think?  Is the fetus human?

>OK, it has a tail, an extremely oversized head, and is generally similar
>in appearance to a melted wax figure, a sort of blob. It is human (so 
>is your blood) and is parasitic, does that make it a person? Not to 
>me.

Gee, did I say it was a person?  IIIIdon'tthinksooooo.  Yeah, my blood's
human, I sure hope it is.  I don't want duck blood in me.  What's
your point?

>Not to dehumanize the fetus completely, since it really doesn't matter.

Bullshit.  That's the crux of the debate.  It is human and it does matter.

>I personally long for that day that science enables men to carry children,

Good, then you'll join us all in bearing children, Ron.

>because then ignorant oafs like you would have to line up and be impregnated.
>(Yeah, we wwould force you to, it is only fair, it's what you want to
>do to women, whom I notice that you repeatedly leave out of your arguments).

Last time:  I'm not forcing pregnancy.  I'm not requireing anyone have sex.
I am forcing respect for human values...human life.  That is a cuase worth
forcing.

>Ron

welch

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