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From: ABLB <ABLB@musica.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU>
Subject: RE: New Age Music to Induce Lucidity?
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Macarthur
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:09:35 GMT

In article <21NOV92.00635144.0013@tscc.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU> ABLB000 <ABLB@musica.macarthur.uws.EDU.AU> writes:
>Today at the International festival for Mind, Body and Spirit,
>in Sydney, Australia, I went to a lecture on New Age music and its
>healing abilities.  The lecture was given by Tim Wheater, a leading
>British New Age musician (a brilliant flautist).  He said that people
>had told him that in 3 hours of meditation, they couldn't acheive
>what 30 seconds of music could...
>He went on to discuss how various vibrations affect different parts
>of your body, but what really interested me was that various tones,
>he said, make you more lucid.


In response to the questions posted...
I'm not sure what refrigerator manufacturer, it was, but evidently
one of their models was emitting a hum that induced people to eat
more than they normally would. They were ordered [again, I'm unsure
on details to change the refrigerator so that this sound was not
emitted...
and more on vibrations...
The lecturer, Tim Wheater, said that soundwaves act on the body in the
same way that light, also a ma
also a wave, does. Just as a LASER changes the composition of our cells, and
as we get burnt in strong sunlight, sound also affects our cells, albeit in
different ways. I'm not an authority on the subject (not from 1 lecture!)
but he did say that there are some books on the affect of sound vibration
on the body.
Another interesting point, is that sound "cannons" were used in the Gulf
War, in order to lower the morale of the Iraqi troops. Evidently, sound
has been used in warfare for centuries to this effect...
In Yoga, the "ohm" sound is used to create positive vibrations throughout
the body...
In Germany, research is being carried out on how different pitches affect
different parts of our anatomy... Tim brought a tuning fork from Germany,
that evidently vibrated at a tone the same as the "heart Chakra".
While not being fully convinced that it had any significant effect on my
heart, it did seem to "strike a note" within me, when I set i going with
a quick knock on my knee. It had a very low tone/pitch, and seemed very
"natural" if that makes any sense.
That's all I remember...let me know if you find anything as I'm quite
>
>Michael Stone
>University of Western Sydney [l.burnell@uws.edu.au]
>or [knbl@musicb.marist.edu]
>
>.
>.
From: ak044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Borger)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: alt.dreams in my head
Date: 23 Nov 1992 23:27:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ak044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Borger)
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In a previous article, teschultz@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu () says:

>I guess I could forget being lucid just like a dream, but I find that 
>very unlikely.  After all, I did remember the dream itself. Also, in the 
>past, the moment I realize I am dreaming I unfortunatly wake up. (It would
>really suck if I've had many full length lucid dreams and not remembered
>them!)

I read that if you spin around in a lucid dream, it helps to prevent you from
waking up.

I've never tried it though.
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From: Tarzan
Subject: Re: bargain with the devil
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:47:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.025013.23155@scott.skidmore.edu> sleek@scott.skidmore.edu
(shannon leek) writes:
>
>I need your help.  I recently had a dream where I met the Devil.  He
>came to my house and threatened to kill my family if I did not do what
>he asked.  The dream progressed with me trying to escape so I wouldn't
>have to obey him.  In the end, I had to submit to him, and in my mind
>I justified it by thinking of my family's welfare.  Eventually we all
>escaped without any harm done.  Also much to my relief without me
>really having to obey his every wish.  This dream has bothered me
>since I had it, and would be grateful to get any answer as to what it
>means... Also I would be interested in hearing anyone else's dream
>experiences with the devil!!
>

	Sounds like a personal problem with religious influence.  Remember that God is
Love.  To me satan is synonymous with selfishness, hatered, uncaring,
self-centeredness etc.  These things have no power over you unless you let
them.  So tell satan to fuck off and you start really living.  Don't be scared
of Life.  
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Experiences
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:07:28 GMT

In article <7!41pd=@rpi.edu> morale@jec303.its.rpi.edu (Enrique Morales) writes:
>002369c@ace.acadiau.ca (WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE) writes:
>
>>I literally saw my dream form and felt 
>>myself start to go asleep, yet I was fully aware. I found myself looking 
>>behind my shoulder and saw the following: The balkets were spead out, and 
>>they were about one or two feet above the bed. I saw an image of myself 
>>floating up there but that's all it was doing. My theory is that since I 
>>knew that I fell asleep(I've never known was it was truely like before, 
>>because I could never remember falling asleep before this) and My conscionse 
>>self was still pesent, I saw my subconscionce self that I would normally be.
>
>No flames are justified here. What it seems you had was not a case OOBE
>(directly), but a case of bilocation. It has been know to happen. 
>This is when a person is at two places at the same time. I read a book
>about OOBEs that a case like this in it. I will try to dig it up and
>post it.
>
Actually, I think bilocational is more commonly used for an experience
when you are literally conscious of being in both places at once....
To try to explain that, try to hold an image in your mind of two 
different places.  Or else look at the room you're in and, while 
continuing to pay attention to the things you see around you, also
think about another place.  It's kinda tricky, but I did it once in
a dream.  I was aware of being in one place doing something, but at
the same time, I was in a room, monitoring the things that were
happening (I didn't need a view screen to know what was happening,
because of course, I was simultaneously aware of both environments...)

Of course, that may be what you were experiencing; I don't know.
On the other hand, you may have been having a sort of double-obe.
D. Scott Rogo wrote about cases like that (including his own
experiences) where people would be having OBEs, but then they'd see
their out-of-body "phantom" from yet a third point in the room
(ie, they could see their physical bodies _and_ their "astral" bodies...)
I could look for the essay Rogo wrote on it if you're interested...

Then again, you were probably having one of those "fuzzy grey"
experiences that doesn't quite fit into any neat little category,
but has elements of several...  

Flame me for being overtechnical!  I've done too much research!!! :)

:)
Angela
From: LCM111@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: chocolate
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:40:04 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I had a dream that a man gave me a bar of chocolate
in return for my love but the chocolate bar
melted so i rode away on my hellhound
and bought some acid from the spirit of my dead aunt
but i gave the acid away :(
ANY INTERPRETATIONS?
                              -the succubus(suck you best)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Dying in dreams
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:10:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.231557.26378@leland.Stanford.EDU> clint@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Jennifer Dole) writes:
>In article <722102872.6101@minster.york.ac.uk> ae-a@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>
>>   I have heard somewhere that if you die in your dream, you
>>die in real life. 
>
>Now HOW would anyone ever know if this were true or not?!!
>
>(*NOTE: This is a rhetorical question. Please do not respond with
>theories as to how anyone would ever be able to tell if a person
>who was found dead in bed had been dreaming of dying. No one that
>this might have happened to has lived to tell.)



How about a rhetorical answer?  Heh.
Actually, I've died seriously in a few dreams and I'm here to tell
about it.  By seriously, I mean by various violent means including
poisoning, crashing from orbit, and others.

Hey, you flyers out there.  Try this one.  Fly high, up through the ozone,
into airless space.  You may feel the need to create a streamlined
artificial environment to protect yourself from friction and atmosphere/
temperature effects.  Then, head on out past the planets.  I've been
out far enough so that the Earth/Sun was just a dot.  Got a bit scared
that I'd lose my orientation so I came back.  Am currently playing
with an idea to "beaconize" our Terran system and head out at FTL speed.
I figure some kind of gravity-well concept should work, provided I can
find a proper target to "pull" toward.
Thots?

BTW, Hi Jennifer.   :)


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From: bolakk@carn14.alleg.edu (Kimberly Bolak)
Subject: re:speaking
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:09:29 GMT

I have been known to quite often talk in my sleep, and hold perfectly  
intellectual conversations as well as dictating story plots.  I too wish I  
could remember, especially since I have apparently answered the phone in  
my sleep. :)

Kimberly
bolakk@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: Tarzan
Subject: Flyer encounters invisible ceiling 
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:34:45 GMT

During my early years of experimentation I had an experience once of what
seemed to me to be an out of body experience.  But it could have been a lucid
dream.  Any way, deciding to fly I lept off of a branch of a tree and headed
toward the sky.  It was night.  I saw no moon.  The atmosphere was different
from normal as if in a dream world.  I flew higher and as I flew the stars
seemed to explode as if they were fireworks.  Then I hit something; some kind
of what to me at the time was a barrier.  I fell back to the ground and went
off on some other venture.  I think the barrier could have been my own bedroom
ceiling and my perceptions were still internally oriented, i.e. in my mind.    
 Anyone else have similar exps?									Tarzan
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Re: help with lucidity
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:27:51 GMT

John P Demarco writes:

>I want to know how i can have lucid dreams. I have never heard of them before 
>I started reading this group and they sound amazing. People have suggested to
>others that have asked to write down what they dream of right after they wake
>up. The thing is--I don't remember most of my dreams, maybe only two or three
>a week.

  One of the purposes of keeping a notebook and pen beside the bed is to
encourage yourself to remember dreams better; that is, you are trying to
improve your dream recall by placing the intention firmly in your mind that
you wish to remember your dreams when you wake up.
  It may help if in addition to having the pen and paper handy, you psyche
yourself up with such statements as "I am going to remember what I was
dreaming when I wake up" just before going to sleep.  There is really no
other way but to get into the right frame of mind--dreams are not predictable
enough for anyone to give you specific techniques for dream recall that
will work without fail.

>When I'm dreaming it seems like I'm experiencing it from two perspectives at
>once. One perspective is of myself watching the dream on a screen and the
>other is from the eyes of my dreamself.  I never seem to realize that I'm
>dreaming while I'm dreaming---sometimes I think "gee this is weird" or
>something of the sort but I never seem to become aware.

  Don't feel discouraged that you haven't had a lucid dream before.  It
*is* an ability that you can learn to develop over time, but it doesn't
happen overnight.  Most people on this newsgroup are not regular lucid
dreamers, and those that are have generally just taught themselves how to
become aware that they are dreaming in their own way.  Myself?  I have had
the occasional lucid dream achieved through nothing else but desire to have
them, but I haven't learnt to have lucid dreams at will, yet. 

>I've been doing reality checks every so often.  How often should you do them,
>anyway?

  I don't know, as I've never tried the reality-check technique before--I
could never remember to do it often enough in real life, let alone in a
dream!  

>This is very frustrating 'cause i'm so psyched to have one--even though I
>realize that me beeing so anxious probably gets in the way.

  Yes, being worried over whether you're going to have a lucid dream is a
sure-fire way of preventing it from happening.  You've just got to loosen
up and not *expect* it to happen on any given night.  All of my lucid
dreams have been a surprise to me--that is, I've psyched myself up for them
over a period of time, but only when I relaxed about it did they actually
happen.

  Good luck!

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Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 16:18:32 EST
From: The Judge <IO20444@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Metaphysical Dreams

In a recent post, Mr. John T. Jensen asked:

>I wonder if anyone has had a dream which had religious significance, seemed,
>perhaps, to tell them something about the world and their relation to it,
>seemed to come from God?
>
I have.
It occured several years ago, when I was about eleven years old.  There
was a beginning part that had no relation to what happened later, except
to establish my position.  I was in the schoolyard of the school that I
went to.  It seemed to be at night, and all the kids were outside playing
on the swings, monkey bars, etc.  My friends and I were discussing
something or other, when one of them got into an argument with me.  He
was seriously angry with me, for some reason or other, although naturally
I was right and he was wrong.  I kept trying to calmly convince him that
I was right, but he wouldn't listen.  Suddenly he flew into the air,
and I knew that the gods were punishing him for disagreeing with me
(I was favored by them, you see).  I was very concerned and started
yelling at the gods.  I found myself flying upwards, following my friend.
As I went up, I could see that the sky now contained bright red stars
that spelled out a message to me from the gods.  It seemed to be true
and significant at the time, but unfortunately, I can't remember what
it was.  (Later, I saw my friend, who was tied up in a dark closet and
surrounded by Smurfs, but that's not relevant here.)  I wish I did
know what the message was; I think it would tell me what my purpose
is in life.  Ah, well.

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From: christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green)
Subject: Re: Celia Green and the Institute for Psychophysical Research
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:07:30 GMT

In article <168A26AC0.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.044008.27529@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
>mporter@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mitchell Porter) writes:
>
>>Is anyone on the Internet familiar with the work of Celia Green and/or the
>>Institute for Psychophysical Research (IPR) of which she is the Director?
>>IPR PUBLICATIONS
>>	Out-of-the-body Experiences
>>	Apparitions
>>CELIA GREEN
>>	The Decline and Fall of Science (1976)
>
>Are you sure this is not the institute for PARApsychological Research?
>The titles and your description of her "work" suggest that she knows
>little if anything about the area of psychology called "psychophysics".
>May I recommend that you also post this to sci.skeptic, 

I dunno. The description of "philosophical skepticism" was pretty weird too.

-christopher green-  (no relation):-)

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Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 92 10:33:08 CST
From:         C09615DK@wuvmd.wustl.edu
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: Dying in dreams
Newsgroups:   alt.dreams

>
>In article <722102872.6101@minster.york.ac.uk>, ae-a@minster.york.ac.uk says:
>
>   I have heard somewhere that if you die in your dream, you
>die in real life. What usually happens to me if I am about
>to die or hurt myself is that I just wake up. Is this
>just the result of my heart speeding up or is it an early-
>warning system in my brain terminating my dream so that I
>don't convince myself that I'm dead.
>
[.sig deleted]

I believed this for the longest time, too. Actually, I just believed that it
was impossible to die in your dreams (perhaps the mental trauma of waking up to
find yourself alive was too much, I don't know why I believed this), but this
year I asked my Psychology professor about it and he said that it IS possible
to die in one's dreams.

Go figure. (I still think he's wrong, though)--Dan K
From: ak044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Borger)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: alt.dreams in my head
Date: 16 Nov 1992 03:29:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ak044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeremy Borger)
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In a previous article, teschultz@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu () says:

>   In both of these dreams the "decisions" I made and my feeling of
>"lucidity" were totaly dreamed and not actually counsciously made :(.

Yes, that's happened to me before, but think about this conclusion:

In the same way that you forget dreams when you wake, you may have forgotten
that it was a true lucid dream when you woke up.

Alothough, I suppose dreaming you have a lucid dream is very possible.
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From: 002369c@ace.acadiau.ca (WILLIAM FREDERICK CUSTANCE)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body
Subject: Experiences
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:07:08 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

This morning, I was lying in bed, face down. I woke up , disturbed from a 
noise, but I wanted to get back to a dream that I was having. So I relaxed 
myself totally, and felt myself drifting off to sleep. As this was 
happenning, I seen patterns as if I was travelling backwards in a tunnel or 
space and I heard a ringing in my ears turn into a funnel like whirring.
I was aware of all of this happen. I literally saw my dream form and felt 
myself start to go asleep, yet I was fully aware. I found myself looking 
behind my shoulder and saw the following: The balkets were spead out, and 
they were about one or two feet above the bed. I saw an image of myself 
floating up there but that's all it was doing. My theory is that since I 
knew that I fell asleep(I've never known was it was truely like before, 
because I could never remember falling asleep before this) and My conscionse 
self was still pesent, I saw my subconscionce self that I would normally be.
Confused yet?
Anyway, I could still hear my parents downstairs, and I couldn't move my 
legs or arms or body in the "dream", and I could also hear the whiring 
noise. 
Those at alt.out-of-body, don't flame me for posting this there, but you 
may flame away for posting what I call an "inverse oobe". Go figure.
 
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: In a closet with Smurfs?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:51:57 GMT

From a dream mentioned above:
 
(paraphrased) "And so my friend was tied up in a closet, surrounded by
smurfs, but that's not important."
 
Sounds important to me!
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Don't worry!!
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:58:27 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau28.ira.uka.de

Just the thought coming from the recent topic of dying in dreams, or
of a heart attack (or whatever that was):

DON'T WORRY!!

Don't forget that dreams are just dreams. Putting any special meaning
*into* them can be dangerous. You're told (maybe via the net from a
remote person who has never seen you) that your dream of X means that
Y will happen, so you constantly think of the (probably very
undesirable) implications of Y. 

While in reality nothing like Y has happened in the future(*), and X
was instead built from thoughts about some Z you had sometimes, but
you're not aware of Z from the worries you got from the bogus Y.

This is one of my biggest concern about dream interpretation by other
persons. I've stated repeatedly that nightmares are (partially)
induced by fear of nightmares, and to overcome the vicious (sp?)
circle you must abandon the fear first. 

Compare that to the wide range of literally self-fulfilling prophecies
to be found in literature (esp. Greek mythology) and remember to not
let yourself(!) catch you in the same trap.

(*) I hope this is understandable... I don't exclude the possibility
for actual precognition, but I think it never is as simple as 'I dream
of your death, and you'll die tomorrow'... ugh, there was my posting
about the railway accident... maybe that is a different issue... I'm
not sure, really. But I don't worry about such things anyway; as long
as the positive experiences about dreams outweigh the negative ones by
orders of magnitude. (And this really has not been the case some years
ago, but I think my altered attitude about it recently has helped.)

olaf

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Meeting at the dream place.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:41:10 GMT

Angela,
 
          brilliant idea.  I'm definitely up for it.  I hope it ain't
just the two of us!
                                        Nik