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From: ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Auto-Fellatio (Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:33:18 GMT
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In <1992Apr12.123031.12384@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu writes:

> Am I the only person around here who knows how to edit a
> header Subject: line?  Or do I just fail to notice when
> someone else does it?  In any case I think it would be great
> if people did it when they went off on some sort of tangent.

I know how to, but I don't know how to keep the former subject in
parenthesis after it. Besides, it's fun to see how far things can
mutate before someone changes it... ;)

> In this case, I've always thought the medical/technical
> terms for sex-related things were vaguely ridiculous, though
> in the present case, the term does seem economical.

I always thought Fellatio would be a great name for a character in
one of Shakespeare's plays. Cunnilingus sounds icky, though, like
a gum disease.

> This particular statistic seems ridiculously low.  When I
> was a kid, everybody (the boys, naturally) tried it.

Really? How odd. These days kids don't talk about those kinds of
things. At least not the ones I hung around with.

I don't see why it's got such a fantastical edge to it. But then, I
can tie a cherry stem into a knot with my tongue, too, and I don't
see the big deal about that.

> Have you really tried this?  The position is something
> of a strain.

True, but that has to be balanced against the rewards.

> Speaking as one who threw his back out yesterday slinging
> 50# bags of bird feed and an 80# bag of kitty litter around
> and now is in terrible pain, even the idea of doing this
> is preposterous.  But it has been less so at other times.

I wonder if gymnasts are better at this than other people, since
they're so flexible?

Since women are generally more limber than men, would it be at all
possible for a woman to perform auto-cunnilingus?

> Two guys I ran around with in high school (you can see
> why) could do it easy as pie, just bent right over and
> plopped it in their mouths.  They were quite willing to
> demonstrate too.

I had the wrong circle of friends, I guess.

How far down could they go on themselves? There's a big difference
between licking the head and deep-throating yourself. Not to knock
the former, of course...

---
John Dorrance				** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **
ACM022@zeus.unomaha.edu
	You bring me to my knees while I'm scratching at the eyes
	Of a world I want to conquer and deliver and despise.
From: ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jason Donovan
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:49:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr7.214927.2073
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
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In <1992Apr7.155213.18296@acuson.com> thomas@acuson.com writes:

> Of course, I wouldn't insinuate *anything*... no, not at all.  (Why
> a three-year old issue of "Smash Hits" is in my closet is left as an
> exercise for the reader.)

...because the coffee table is already covered with Teen Beat magazines?

(flees)

---
John Dorrance			** World Peace through Wanton Boinking **
ACM022@zeus.unomaha.edu
	You bring me to my knees while I'm scratching at the eyes
	Of a world I want to conquer and deliver and despise.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: concert review
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 21:10:30 GMT

dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>Diamanda Galas is an avant-garde performer, ...

>The performance last evening was very difficult to describe.  

I saw her in Chicago (I also caught her earlier on the Plague Mass
tour, which was a bit different). All I can say is, this is how
you sing the blues in the '90s, this is how you make it relevant again.

Bill
From: gal@brchh109.bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Opera Queens (Re: PDX con & bickering)
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:31:31 GMT
Reply-To: gal@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Richardson

In article <ktd7iiINN7g@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|>From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
|>In article <1992Mar29.065857.9118@adobe.com> 
|>asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal) writes:
|>| In article <kt7qo7INNehj@mizar.usc.edu> 
|>| adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|>| >But hang around to watch the fur fly when someone starts to 
|>| >praise a nonentity like Kathleen Battle...
That's a bit harsh, eh?  She has done some decent work.  However, in
the Met ticket office, they listen to the rehearsals and I hear she is 
referred to as Kathleen Battleaxe.

|>| Actually this message made me think about how, for some reason, 
|>| a very large fraction of my memorable diva-experiences have been 
|>| in Strauss operas.
|>there, too, I've been especially fond of Strauss divas.  (Also
Yes!  There really is nothing like a good Elektra.  (See .sig.)

|>| and Josephine Barstow in Salome, 
I would like to have seen/heard it in Houston.

|>Oh, I suppose she's ok.  But after Ljuba Welitsch, everyone seems
|>so, well, saccharine.
I am sorry, but the Met historic broadcast of her is pitiful.  Her
intonation is terrible.  Her voice sounds like it will shatter and
break off at any time.  She sounds like a bad imitation of Florence
Foster Jenkins at some of the more important moments.  I assume her
strong point was her acting.

|>| and Gwynneth Jones in Die Frau (after I had completely written her
|>| off for *her* Salome), 
I love her Aegyptiche Helena (old, but recently released).  It thrills
me to hear such dreadful intonation done so well.  Leonie has always
been great about reaching for the note, going way past it, and making
her way down to it eventually.  It is just ecstacy.  The Met broadcast
of Die Walkuere (1988?) as Sieglinde was a fabulous example.  I listen
to it often.

|>Gwynneth Jones?  Ugh.  For an ugly-voiced Strauss diva I go to Astrid 
|>Varnay (an unbetterable Elektra *and* Klytemnestra, and a brilliantly, 
|>ghoulishly funny Herodias.)
I agree.  The films of Elektra and Salome are classic examples.

--

| gal@bnr.ca (Gene A. Lavergne) | In all of opera, I most identify |
| ESN 446-4842 / (214) 997-4842 | with the character of Elektra.   |
| PO Box 851986, Richardson, TX | That often worries me.           |
| USA 75085-1986 | Opinions expressed here are mine and not BNR's. |
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: IS OUTING ETHICAL?
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:25:08 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:

>farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri):
>> I think the subject says it all. Personally, I think it's very unethical
>> for gays to out other gays. I think that gays have a right to privacy.

>gays should have the same basic rights as anyone else in this
>country.  unfortunately, some gays are hypocritical with their
>stance on civil rights.  do you think it's fair that we protect
>those gays who actively damage our movement?

I don't get the meaning of the Jake's second sentence.
Hypocritical in what way?

jari
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdriscol@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mollie M Driscol)
Subject: eau claire wisconsin
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:22:54 GMT

Are there any motssuers in Eau Claire, Wisconsin?
If so, please respond to me via e-mail, I have a
question for you.

Mollie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:33:32 GMT
Summary: i dunno ...

In article <1992Apr9.225039.18521@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
writes:

> In article <65115@apple.Apple.COM> stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
writes:

> >And if you topple over, you can always prostrate yourself.

> Doncha _hate_ it when people use "prostrate" instead of "prostate"?

Down with prostatocentrism!  I suspect that one could well enjoy the
stimulation of any number of other glands when prostrate ...
-- 
Michael L. Siemon		   "Oh, stand, stand at the window,
					As the tears scald and start;
mls@usl.com			   You shall love your crooked neighbor
standard disclaimer			With your crooked heart."
From: celd@stiatl.salestech.com (Charles LeDuc)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: OUT! Magazine subscription information
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:11:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Distribution: na
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.


I called the number Ron Buckmire posted (thanks again, Ron!) and got
more information. For $11.95, You Will Receive:

	Three issues of OUT! Magazine (including the premiere issue)

	A 17-track CD with songs by people like Lou Reed, David Byrne, 
	k.d. lang, Morrissey, and Debbie Harry.

What to do:
	Send Check or money order payable to OUT! Magazine to

		OUT! Magazine
		594 Broadway suite 804
		NY NY 10012

	Or you can call the toll-free number (1-800-876-1199) and 
	tell your address to a machine.  You'll be billed later, of 
	course.

I'm mailing my check today!

--
Chuck LeDuc		gt1342a@prism.gatech.edu
"in fact, some of us consider the male of the species just one big, ugly
brutish aberration of evolution" - Alf Mushpie.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Re: Give me some tips on Paris, France, won't you?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:46:47 GMT

In article <inthethespring@vadier.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
>ben@emx.utexas.edu (Ben Sloan) writes:
>>I will be visiting France in May for a scientific conference in 
>>Dijon.  My question to those of you in the know, a question no
>>doubt shared by many of the listeners at home this afternooon,
>>is: What might I plan to do or see in Gay Paree?
>
>I suppose since you're in Texas we can forgive you for saying "Paris,
>France".  Il n'y a qu'un Paris.  Anyway I have recommended before the
>little book "Paris Scene" published by (I now remember) the Gay Men's
>Press, in London.  Fairly up-to-date descriptions of the clubs, bars,
>shops, and cruising places, as well as an invaluable one-page section
>on "Words you won't find in your pocket dictionary".  If you don't get
>the book there you can always pick it up at Les Mots a` la Bouche, on
>Rue Sainte Croix de la Bretonnerie (ish).
>
>Besides, Paris is of course the Jewelled Lair of Le Jojo, who no doubt
>has more to say on the matter.

And I'd probably say more if I had gotten more than two motss articles
a day over the past week. So much for INRIA feeds. "Paris Scene" is, I
agree, not bad for the gay scene.  An alternative I always recommend is:

1) Museum of Forgeries: Get to know your Louis Vuitton
2) The Catacombs at Denfert Rochereau: "relive"  your favorite Poe short story.
3) Boatride through the Sewers of Paris. 
4) Rainstorms without umbrellas
5) Les Miserables with an unappreciative French Audience watching
their own history regurgitated to them filtered through the pen of
Victor Hugo as interpreted by Andrew Lloyd Weber and in turn
retranslated into French. Very Fey.
6) Le Transfert, one of the few remaining old-fashioned pissoirs in Paris.
7) If you can get up before 8am on a weekend, the non-standard Flea
Markets can be highly rewarding.
8) Finding Tsilke's  name under the pinball machines in the backroom of the
Manhattan. (Yes, Tsilke, I put it there...!)


-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: richh@tigger.jvnc.net (RICHH)
Subject: Movie:  "Jerker" by Hugh Harrison
Originator: richh@tigger.jvnc.net
Organization: JvNCnet, Princeton University, NJ
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:06:59 GMT


based on the play by Robert Chesley.
It just hit video.
Anyone seen it?
Worth watching?

RICHH
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:33:59 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

:But two can play at this game, Mlinar.  From henceforth I demand that
:if you refer to me by name, you pronounce it in the correct, Norwegian
:way.  Yes, that includes the rising and falling tones. 

You guys don't want me in this argument. Believe me. Or Tsilke instead.
						    ,
						Fabian Jacob van Wingerde
From: manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Texaco running from "Cranes"?
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:49:41 GMT
Organization: Institute for Pure and Applied Eschatology

Interestingly enough, when Texaco started its sponsorship of the Met
broadcasts (distinguished in Canada as the only sponsored program on CBC
Stereo (Radio)), they were also running a peculiar oil business in which
they supplied both the Allies and the Axis powers (source: `The Seven
Sisters', a 1970's-vintage study of the major oil companies). 

The Met broadcasts always particularly peeve me, mostly because of the
snotty `This is Great Culture, and We Are Proud To Support It' tenor
[sic] of their commercials. Anyone who knows that Luciano Pavarotti once
was in a film called `Yes, Giorgio' will know that Opera is mostly a
Place where One goes to be seen in One's Furs, and to nudge One's
Husband awake when He snores too loudly (One enjoys Opera whether One
likes it or not). While there are many magnificent operas, the number of
capes and stoles in the checkroom always oppresses me so much that I
can't even pay attention when Bruennhilde starts screaming.

One of the characteristics of middlebrow `highbrow art' is that it
should have no relevance to daily life. A middlebrow does not stage
Oedipus Rex so that the plague on Athens is AIDS (as Robin Phillips has
in Edmonton; it's a production I would love to see); instead, in a good
middlebrow presentation, one is left in a transport of delight because
one knows, *without reading it in the program*, that Sophokles spelled
his name with a k.

Anyone who feels that corporate support of the arts is a good thing
should stop to consider not that corporations are afraid of LGBs, but,
much more broadly, a corporation wants to make you feel good. Truly
great art generally makes you uncomfortable, but rarely makes you feel
good.
--
\    Vincent Manis <manis@cs.ubc.ca>      "There is no law that vulgarity and
 \   Department of Computer Science      literary excellence cannot coexist."
 /\  University of British Columbia                        -- A. Trevor Hodge
/  \ Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1W5 (604) 228-2394
From: jglover@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Dancing (was Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:08:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.051438.13936@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> Plus, gay men inherently dance better - we might not have inherent
> rhythm, but we have inherent *style*. :)

Indeed, this is a great way to find closet types
because as my friends and I regularly assert:

   "Straight boys can't dance."

 - jay g
From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: postcard mutilations?
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:28:30 GMT
Organization: IRCAM, Paris (France)

In article <0dsWdtG00VQjQ=xVka@andrew.cmu.edu> rb5d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Bates) writes:
>>My housemate Andy recently got back from the post office a mutilated
>>shred of the "yes I'm glad to be gay" postcard he sent to Ann Landers.
...
>>-- Chris (black@sybase.com)
>
>I have received postcards (with no MOTSS relevance) delivered to me
>torn in half or otherwise damaged.  Usually, there is a stamp (in
>traditional post office purple) that says something to the effect of
...

How odd. I've mailed polaroids of vaguely nude friends with an address
and a stamp on the back and they always get through with no problem. I
guess they are more rigid.


-- 
| Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live
| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: manis@cs.ubc.ca (Vincent Manis)
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Organization: Institute for Pure and Applied Eschatology
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 00:37:53 GMT

Well, *I* lost interest in astronomy when I learned that the only way to
remember the Main Sequence was `Oh, Be A Fine Girl, Kiss Me Right Now'.
Not being a lesbian, I became a computer scientist.
--
\    Vincent Manis <manis@cs.ubc.ca>      "There is no law that vulgarity and
 \   Department of Computer Science      literary excellence cannot coexist."
 /\  University of British Columbia                        -- A. Trevor Hodge
/  \ Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1W5 (604) 228-2394
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:30:22 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) asks:
>
>Well, practice makes perfect.  What do you folks out there have to say
>about the proper way to walk in boots?
>
With a lava lamp in the left hand,
and a doughnut in the right, outstretched as in supplication.

And if you topple over, you can always prostrate yourself.
From: exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:47:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.exotica.703277220
Organization: University of Washington

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:

>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>:But two can play at this game, Mlinar.  From henceforth I demand that
>:if you refer to me by name, you pronounce it in the correct, Norwegian
>:way.  Yes, that includes the rising and falling tones. 

>You guys don't want me in this argument. Believe me. Or Tsilke instead.

Ya, sure, you betcha! Nobody has gotten mine right on the first try yet!						    ,
	I know how! I know how! ----->	>Fabian Jacob van Wingerde

Tsilke, who thinks Widmer Heffewiesen tops Ballard Bitter any time
(two, two, two threads in one...).
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to ...
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:48:25 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) announces:
>
>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) reveals:
>>[ David Kopay ] is a tile (as in floor covering) salesman.
>
>David Kopay will be speaking at the South Bay Lesbian & Gay Community
>Organization community meeting, second Sunday in May. (SBLGCO is
>located in Redondo Beach.) I can provide details to anyone interested.
>
Will he be speaking about new advances in floor covering?
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Con '92 Housing
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:34:51 GMT

Joseph,

Ever since you did an expose over my dick, I've been waiting for revenge.

Oh, I'm smiling here.

francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes:

>If it means "Do I want to sleep with someone else fucking and/or
>snoring in the room" I've been doing that for years now chez jojo.

What do you mean, 'someone _else_ snoring?'
Light sleepers might want to go to another room.

							FJ!! (I had no
							problems, I practiced:
							Ed used to print out 
							stuff for work with a 
							dot-matrix just beside 
							my sleeping head.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dickson@nevada.edu (JON THUMIM)
Subject: Re: Auto-Fellatio (Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?)
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:34:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.123235.24180@cci632.cci.com> sik@cci632.cci.com (Shawn Kammerdiener) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.165944.11396@nevada.edu> dickson@nevada.edu (JON THUMIM) writes:
>>In article <15APR92.10134640@enh.nist.gov> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>>>In a previous article, twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) wrote:
>>>From a discussion I had with a number of friends years ago in college, the
>>>1 in 5 is about right, but amongst us all, only the Jewish men could do
>>>it while the non-Jews couldn't.  Coincidence?
>>>
>>Hell no!  We jews posses many a talent that you goyim can only hope to
>>emulate.
>
>	My question is whether it's kosher ?

No, of course not.  What self-respecting rabbi would bless the union
of two men?  When they do, I want to be the first in line.
From: ccornish@sunflower.sybase.com (Carleton Cornish)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lip synching and stuff
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:36:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: sybase.19530
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <jgimkqo@fido.asd.sgi.com> dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.101139.846@news.unomaha.edu> ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>A little question: What music causes you to lip-synch shamelessly when
>>noone else is around (or even in public)?
>
>1. Southern Can Woman - Blind Willie McTell
>2. No More War - Prince Fari
>3. anything at all by Bob Marley
>4. Futter Mein Ego - Einsturzende Neubauten
>5. Throne of Agony - Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel
>6. Ring My Bell - Anita Baker
                         ^^^^^
Dahling, "Ring My Bell" was initially (and exquisitely) rendered by Ms.
Anita Ward, not Anita Baker.

Dammit, Jeff, now I can't get that song out of my head...

>
>Oh, and I sing along in public as well...
>
Now, THIS is something I would love to experience!  From what I hear, 
you could "ring my bell", hon. (ref: Marc C. on the train)

>
>FWA

-carleton (ex-disco-sexolet; now sometimes known as BBMWFA)

************************************
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Sybase, Inc.				(510) 596-3883
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From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: gay fantasy
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:55:36 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

thrift@ra.csc.ti.com (Phil Thrift) writes:

>There has been discussion of this on this newsgroup which I have lost
>track of, but could someone post a reading list of good gay fantasy
>(primarily sword and sorcery stuff -- and male same-sex relationships)?

Mercedes Lackey's Magic series: Magic's pawn, Magic's promise and
Magic's Price. I liked the first one A LOT, which is sort of a coming 
out story. In her Oath and Vows series the main characters have 
platonic lesbian relationship (one of the them is a misstress of
a star eyed, a goddess and so is not sexually interested in humans).
She has a whole saga which takes place in the fantasy land introduced
in the Magic series. All the books have some same sex elements in them
(in a positive way), but these are the ones where it is really explicit.
I think the Magic's Pawn is good at describing what it means to grow
up gay.  I've read everything Mercedes Lackey has written and currently
wait for the next books in TWO trilogies. She does write a lot, and
it's not "high literature", but sure beats many SF and fantasy authors
I've read.

jari
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:24:11 GMT

rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>My point was, simply, that I was dismayed at how easily the NY/NJ crowd
>passed on the opportunity.  I *would* work on another SF con... I just
>don't think we should have one.  (I'd favor London or Paris, actually.)

	Well, they didn't *pass* on it - just delayed until next year.  Which
makes next year very interesting: Chicago, NYC, and DC all showing interest
14 months in advance.  Sounds like 1993 will be your year Roger.

	Until then - a London or Paris .con soulds like an excellent
idea.  It would give all the Euro-motssiti a chance to .con who can't
afford to go to the US.  Why don't you work out a proposal and get back 
to us, hmmmmm?  I'm sure if you put some energy into it you could
come up with something fabulous...

BBC, hoping Amer Worst
processes FF miles FAST!