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From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: Making notations in your books?
Keywords: books notations 
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:09:31 GMT

>What are your feelings about making notes, highlighting, etc., in the
>books that you own? ... I just feel that
>doing such things ruins the book, both in terms of financial value, and in
>future readability by others (I personally cannot read books that have
>been marked up by others...it's just too distracting to me).  My mother,
>on the other hand, attacks her books so much they look like graffiti art
>by the time she's done with them.

Notations in a book nearly always devalue it.  Notable exceptions are 
inscriptions by the author, illustrator, etc., re-work notes by the 
author, or notes and analysis by someone else who is notable in their
own right.

I only vaguely remember a sad/humurous story about a marked up book. 
Perhaps someone else can fill in the appropriate title and authors.  The
story goes that someone found, in a rare book shop, a very good condition
copy of a desirable book.  Unfortunately, it was filled with notes, underlines,
etc.  Luckily, this person thought, the notes were in pencil, so he bought
it with the intention of erasing all the "graffiti".  It was a painstaking
process, and became all the more painful when the last page of notes was
reached, only to find that the notes were signed, and had been made by
another famous author.  Not only would they have been very interesting,
but they would have added value to the book (had they not been just
erased...:-)

You're right, if the book is being collected for value, it generally isn't
a good idea to mark in it.  However, with the exception of specific collectors,
this generally doesn't apply to most books.

I do agree with you that it can be distracting.  I don't mind notes in
the margins, on the cover sheets, etc., but highlighting and underlining
distract me, and I will try to find another copy to read.

I also have always sentimentally liked the tradition that some people
have of signing their name and dating it in the back of a book after 
reading it.  I have a couple books which have dozens of names and dates
in the back.  It's kindof neat to read them and speculate (particularly
when it's a child's book, and you realize by the dates that some of the
readers are probably dead, or at the very least, quite old adults, by now).

Ken
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Subject: Re: Books about Coca-Cola
Summary: Atlanta, GA
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:13:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.011308.1653@uts.uni-c.dk>, idathon@uts.uni-c.dk (Hans O. Nymand) writes:
> Here's an odd question: Does anybody know of any books about The Coca-Cola 
> Company or their products? I would like to find anything related to Coca-Cola
> such as historical accounts of the Company and regular coffee-table books.
> 
> Incidentially, I took a peek in 'Books in Print' but I couldn't seem to find
> anything relevant under 'Coca ...' or 'Coke ...'.
> 
> Any help appreciated...
> 
> 
> Henrik Sahlholt
> (d01hs@vm2.uni-c.dk)

I recently visited "The World of Coca-Cola" here in Atlanta, which
is the home of Coke and it was very nearly a religious experience.
they have an extensive gift shop including books.  Why not write
to them and ask for a catalog:

	The World of Coca-Cola
	55 Martin Luther King Jr. Drive
	Atlanta, GA


marc colten

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,sci.philosophy.tech
Subject: Re: A note on Modal Logic that has nothing to do with Ikky Sex
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:51:10 EST
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <9212181545.AA03903@cfdev1.shearson.com> 
mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto) writes:

>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

MZ:
>>But this is mere background.  Consider Kaplan's paradox, as reported by
>>Lewis.  (I have a dim recollection of Kaplan's disquisition in a 1986
>>seminar, but my memory is tainted by a bad case of modal skepticism,
>>which I managed to overcome in the interim.)  We have a set of possible
>>worlds M, which gives rise to 2^{card(M)} (>card(M)) distinct
>>propositions.

MT:
>Ah, if this is the case, it does not address the problem that I brought
>up about quantifying over all possible worlds.  I agree that there are
>solutions when we limit our set of possible worlds M to a set.  But the
>collection of ALL possible worlds is not a set, and has no cardinality
>which can be attached to it.

Mark, I gave your claim the charitable interpretation; now you eliminate
the last possibility of charity.  In standard Carnap-Kanger-Kripke
semantics, the collection of all possible worlds is certainly a set.
But let me humor you by granting that it is a proper class; it suffices
to adopt the class analogues of the ZFC axioms to derive the very same
results for the concept corresponding to cardinality, -- in honor of
Kripke, let me call it "shmardinality".  There goes Your Negativity.

MT:
>I've seen too many papers in Modal Logic which ignore this fact.

That's because it's a "fact" of your own making.

>Mark

Two suggestions: if you want to discuss your ideas of philosophy of
language (or "Philosophy of Language", as you might put it), consider
looking up some basic math (or "Foundations of Mathematics"), and
cross-posting to a venue more likely to appreciate your speculations.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nothing can be said truly of what does not exist."

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From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Subject: Re: Joy of Sex
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:33:48 GMT

crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:

>When she TOODLES on her TOODLES
>with her two TOODLES pressed tightly together
>and you TOODLE her,
>keeping your TOODLES outside hers,
>it is "Gramya" (the Rustic).
> 
>If, encircling and trapping
>her TOODLES with yours,
>you TOODLE so hard that she TOODLES,
>it is "Ratipasha" (Love's Noose),
>a device most charming to the ladies.
> 
>I do hope I have been of some little assistance.


     Your version makes the truth even clearer, namely that #747
is exactly like #746 only with your fingers crossed.

                                                  -- jf
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Violence in Literature
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:02:46 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

dat91msu@ludat.lth.se (Martin Sunnerdahl) writes:
> I am on a quest for knowledge and truth.  Or rather, I am looking for 
> interesting books on violence in literature.

One that ought to have gone into whozit's list of books on masculinity:
Klaus Theweleit's "Male Fantasies", which takes off from an examination of
a genre of proto-Nazi fiction, very popular in its day, about killing
commie subversives and especially *women* commie subversives.  Originally
published in German as "Mannerphantasien".

(If you are aiming for completeness, I suppose you have to read Kate
Millett's "Sexual Politics" at some time, though it came over to me
like a stilted American-collegiate-sophomore essay in point-stretching).

-- 
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17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
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Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:22448 rec.food.historic:877
From: thomase@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Stan England)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.food.historic
Subject: Re: Goober, a Southernism??
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:14:43 GMT
Reply-To: thomase@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <BzAz83.7yF@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
>In article <Bz9BMs.Lvr@icon.rose.hp.com> bobdev@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Bob Devereaux) writes:
>>In Robert R. McCammon's _Boy's Life_, there a graffito referenced, something
>>like "Debbie Loves Goober."  The narrator says character X, an adult, most
>>likely thought Goober was a person.  I'm McCammon's age or a bit older, 
>>but this is a slang expression which I suspect may be Southern.  Can anyone
>>enlighten me as to its meaning?
>			.
>			.
>			.
>Do folks truly not know this?  "Goober" is a regionalism
>for "peanut".  It entered (southeast US) English around
>1830, from the Kimbundu word for the legume.
>-- 
>
>Cameron Laird
>claird@Neosoft.com (claird%Neosoft.com@uunet.uu.net)	+1 713 267 7966
>claird@litwin.com (claird%litwin.com@uunet.uu.net)  	+1 713 996 8546

I think the word was Nagooba. It's easy to see how it could
become Goober.






















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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,misc.legal
From: lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed)
Subject: Re: Copyrights (was: copywrights)
Organization: Holos Software, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:27:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.063229.29843@panix.com> jesse@panix.com (Jesse Feder) writes:
>FYI, I just saw a letter from the clerk of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals
>that used the word "copywrite" rather than "copyright" throughout.

Just one more bad effect of the Reagan/Bush appointees: they couldn't pick
literate clerks. :-)
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From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Making notations in your books?
Keywords: books notations 
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:20:57 GMT

In a recent rec.arts.books article, kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey) wrote:
>
>So who's right?  Am I just being anal-retentive, or is she destroying
>good, expensive books?

If your mother is buying books in the expectation that she is going to
bequeath to her heirs a collection of priceless (or, more realistically,
expensive) first editions then she is certainly making a mistake by
marking up her books. On the other hand, if she is simply buying books
for her own enjoyment, she should do what she wants with them.

For what it's worth, I could never mark up my university texts, either.
When I was in graduate school, I used to go make photocopies of any
book I had to study so I could mark up the photocopy. And I, too, find 
it hard to read books marked up by someone else.

But for heaven's sake, what does it matter if your mother marks up her
own books? Assuming she realizes that this does reduce the resale value,
why not let her make her own decisions?

And if she turns out to be one of the great figures of the late twentieth
century, then the marked up books will someday be worth even more than 
they would be if she hadn't marked them up. :-)

Marcy

-- 

Marcy Thompson		
  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (preferred) or marcy@sq.com
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Loveless and an Xmas Literary Conundrum
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:30:17 GMT
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
NNTP-Posting-Host: oas.stanford.edu

Mary Loveless writes:

	Sean Philip Engelson writes:

		Mary Loveless. A lovely name, indeed, though vaguely dismal.

	Dismal, and proud of it!  It is an old family name, where I come 
	from, with Lovelesses swarming in such numbers that *no* one has 
	the temerity to comment on it, and I am very attached to it. 
	Although "Vaguely Dismal" might be a good pen name....romance 
	novels, perchance

I have always thought of Fanny Imlay, Mary Wollstonecraft's daughter by
Odious American Gilbert Imlay, as Fan Dismal. She suicided round about
the time that Harriet Shelley did; but without the dramatic finesse.

Loveless is just another form of Lovelace of course. And here is my
Christmas Puzzler.

	Who wrote the following about the poet, Richard Lovelace?

		I could not love lace half so much
		Loved I not Lovelace more.

								Fido



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From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: (none)
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:03:18

In article <1992Dec12.190404.25693@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:


	   Mark Taranto asseverates:

   > NeWS (setenv NEWSUP; chdir ; news_server-`mach`) addpath set path = (
   > $path !* ) bscSC scinit -s SCI3278.!* -o SC3278.!* -t !* -d
   > !*.dribble -r cd cd !*; sprompt
   [etc.]

	   Sensible observations all.
   -- 
				   Tom Maddox
			       tmaddox@netcom.com
		   "The Reptoids eat humans like we eat chickens."
				   Alex Alexander

Not only are they probably sensible, but it has been probably verified
that they are comprehensible by their intended recipient.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Making a virtue of complacency
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:18:19 GMT

In article <15049.2b2876dc@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
wagner@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

>It is not clear to me that prejudice is entirely learned. 

I can't recall saying this.

 Is there 
>a schoolyard on earth where the kid who is somehow "different" is 
>not the butt of whatever unpleasantness the local moppets like 
>to dish out? 

But how big a part does learning play in defining "different", and
which differences are acceptable?  I would say a very large part.  I
had no idea that the difference between black skin and white skin had
any importance at all when I was very young and my favorite playmate
was black.  I had to learn that it was regarded as important.

 Of course we should all strive to outgrow the madness

>Your comment about religious leaders is a little mean-spirited, 
>n'est-ce pas?  Religious leaders are also sometimes the sources of 
>words which in the end lead to more harmony and understanding.
>By any chance, if you don't mind a personal question, were you 
>raised Catholic?

No, I was raised a Protestant, and am highly religious.  But I think
my comment about religious leaders was true--they have in the past
been and still remain one of the most important sources of bigotry.
It is also true that they have in the past been, and let us hope still
remain, one of the most important sources of social and moral
progress.  But the enlightenment brought by people like King, Gandhi
or Woolman does not cancel out the bad effects consequent on the ideas
of other leaders, including ones of even more historical importance
than the ones I just named.

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
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From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Making notations in your books?
Keywords: books notations
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:59:35 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <BzFx87.E1p@world.std.com> kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey) writes:
> What are your feelings about making notes, highlighting, etc., in the
> books that you own?

It depends.  For the run-of-the-mill paperback, I hate writing notes
because the paper mushes down.  But I do sometimes make annotations in
light pencil if it won't damage the paper.  (My husband claims I'm
warped because I can bash up the fender of our multi-thousand-dollar
car and shrug it off, but when I see him writing in a $5 book, I go
into fits.)

In 84 CHARING CROSS road, there's an interesting exchange along these
lines.  The English shop owner (sorry, I can't recall his name) sends
Helen Hampf a book inscribed to her--on a card inserted in the book.
She writes back that that is the bookshop owner in him--she likes books
annotated because then she feels she is sharing the experience of the
previous owner as well as getting her own (or something like like).

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
--
"God does not play dice with the universe."  --Albert Einstein
"Albert, stop telling God what to do."  --Niels Bohr
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From: hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu (Mary Loveless)
Subject: Re: On minor points and sealing wax (was Re: Is a bimbo ad nauseam?)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:07:16 GMT

In article <1gr65dINNr13@ARGENTINA.AI.CS.YALE.EDU> engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.235532.16664@u.washington.edu>, hoosiers@carson.u.washington.edu (Mary Loveless) writes:
>|> In article <JMC.92Dec17134101@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
>|> writes: > > Would the lady who referred to herself as a hussy, in >jest I
>|> assume, be equally inclined to refer to herself as a bimbo? >-- >John
>|> McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305 >* >He who
>|> refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
>|> __________________________________________________________________________
>|> areas where ladies, in my experience, are most inhibited.  Now that I have
>|> peevishly set you straight on a minor point (god, that felt good!) ....
>	...et c.  et c....
>
>Speaking of setting people straight on minor points: I believe there's

Was it good for you too, Shlomo?
>
>|> Mary Loveless
>A lovely name, indeed, though vaguely dismal.
>Sean Philip (Shlomo) Engelson		
>Yale Department of Computer Science	
>Box 2158 Yale Station			
>New Haven, CT 06520			

Dismal, and proud of it!  It is an old family name, where I come from,
with Lovelesses swarming in such numbers that *no* one has the temerity to
comment on it, and I am very attached to it.   Although "Vaguely Dismal"
might be a good pen name....romance novels, perchance?

Mary Loveless


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From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Project B.F.D. (was: An apology)
Organization: Clark University
Date: 18 DEC 92 01:30:49 GMT

Mark Taranto writes:

>I was looking over the recent "Snotty" thread. 
> 
>I have come to the realization that my claim that Heather's actions 
>were hypocritical were too strong. 
> 
>I think that she was wrong about Tom's intentions. 
> 
>I think her actions were somewhat contradictory. 
> 
>But calling her a hypocrite implies that she had intentions which I don't 
>know that she had, and which she probably did not have. 
> 
>So Heather, please except my apology for taking my argument too far. 

This started out as a simple exchange of one-liners, and has now expanded
into Project B.F.D.  Strange how that happens.

>I understand her concern for newcomers.  They are more likely to mistake 
>a statement like one that Tom made for being snotty, and are more likely 
>to be misunderstood themselves.  

I understand that posters are not always in full control of their various
personae, and that dyspepsia or sunspots or overdue bills might switch them
over into Asshole Mode.  There's nothing wrong with being an asshole, under
some circumstances.  I'm all in favor of people being intentionally rude if
they feel it's necessary.  But lashing out at an innocent bystander, or
making that bystander the butt of a joke just to feed one's own ego, is
simply wrong.  

This is not a private chat-line.  It's a public forum.  If you don't want to
actually make newcomers feel welcome (what a disgusting, Pollyannaish idea,
eh?) you can at least treat them with the consideration you would expect if
you were a newcomer in a group.  I don't see why that's such a difficult
concept for some people to grasp.

I've run into several people via e-mail who read this list and never post
anything to it, even though they appear to be intelligent folks with
interesting opinions of their own.  I've asked them why this is.  They all
say something to the effect of, "because some of those people who constantly
post will jump all over you, and it's just not worth it."  I ask them why
they read this list in the first place, if that's the case, and they say
"because once in a while, between the personal chat and the flames and the
insults, someone might say something interesting about books."  Gosh, what a
concept!

Mark, don't apologize for calling me a hypocrite.  Apologize for missing my
point and for being so quick to attack.  I'm sure that you, at heart, don't
want to discourage the participation of others in the group.  I think you'd
be more comfortable if, instead of criticizing my "gunslinger" persona, you
found yourself a deputy's badge.

Heather
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
From: mossman@dipso.Berkeley.EDU (Amy Mossman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Looking for correct author and/or title
Date: 16 Dec 1992 22:32:58 GMT
Organization: CEA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: dipso.cea.berkeley.edu

I saw, quite some time ago, a verision of a book on the
PBS kid's series "Once Upon a Classic". I think the book
was called the Swish of the Curtain. It was mainly about
a group of kids, from two or three different families,
some are brothers and sisters, who get a theatre for
themsleves and write an produce a play. Okay, it sounds
silly but I missed the first few episodes and I may have
missed alot. I remember looking for the book at the time
and couldn't find it. Anyone heard of it, know the author,
know if it is still in print? Thanks in advance.

Amy Mossman


Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,misc.legal
From: jesse@panix.com (Jesse Feder)
Subject: Re: Copyrights (was: copywrights)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:32:29 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

The number for requesting forms from the Copyright Office is (202)707-9100.
You leave a voice mail message and they send you the forms.

FYI, I just saw a letter from the clerk of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals
that used the word "copywrite" rather than "copyright" throughout.

--Jesse Feder (jesse@panix.com)

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From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: $0
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:16:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec11.221626.18419
 <1992Dec10.012430.18339@husc3.harvard.edu> <1992Dec11.175015.24956@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1992Dec11.175015.24956@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.012430.18339@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

MZ:
>>I shall give you a third chance to earn US $1000. 

GWS:
>Says the deadbeat.  First quit hanging around the toilets
>checking out the doors and send me my $1000.  Then I will play.

I am very sorry, Mr Smith, but you lost then, as you would lose now.
Further clarification may be obtained by referring to John McCarthy's
apt explanation of my non-discriminatory disdain.  However, by insisting
on yor ludicrous lie, you continue to augment your image of a querulous,
ignorant blatherer, gratuitously exposing the nauseating details of the
pathologically mendacious nature you have so amply displayed in your
ongoing discussion with Mike Morris.

>-- 
>     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
>               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
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