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From: "H.X. Liang" <chc03@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: test! From kl
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:09:26 GMT
Via: uk.ac.keele.cc.seq1; Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:10:54 +0000

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From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:50:51 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <SOSC1058.93Jan20152032@wc08.yorku.ca> sosc1058@wc08.yorku.ca (Ming He) writes:
>### On Wed, 20 Jan 1993 12:40:43 EST, <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> said:
>
>PXW10% Yeh, a shirt is 30 yuan (1/5 of monthly income), a pair of
>PXW10% shoes is 40 yuan, a pound of pork is 10 yuan, a TV set is 3000
>PXW10% yuan (2 year's income), a car is 60,000 yuan (n year's income),
>PXW10% an apartment is 1.000,000 (00 year's income......
>
>I had heard some inaccurate data (sorry for the inaccutate) of Beijing
>area.  The average income is 300 yuans.  A shirt is 20.  A pair of

I have to laugh loud for this piece of information. A junior medical
doctor makes less than RMB 200 a month, a middle position of MD makes
RMB 200 and a popular MD/professor makes RMB 300. If the average income
of Beijing is RMB 300, the doctors in Beijing may be below the average.
I have to find out home folks in Hai-dian to see what they say.

>leather shoes is 40.  A pound of pork is 5.  A TV set is about one

A pair of leather shoes is 40, oh that is good and accurate. Last September
I saw many sneaker shoes along Wang-fu-jin cost 100, but look so bad. When 
the Addies and Rebok are there, this pair of shoes look like a product of 
fle-market. The Addies and Rebok cost more than RMB 500. The same shoes
cost 2000NT in Taiwan, and they are MIT products. 

I wonder why many people in Beijing like the Addies and Rebok when they
have to save two month salary to buy a pair of sneaker. Yes, many can
afford it, especially the students. But, how many can afford it?

>year's income.  A car is a dream.  An apartment -- most of people
>living in one with 10 yuans/month.
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: edwardz@ecs.comm.mot.com (Edward Zhong)
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:42:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.210322.26535@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
>In article <C17w4A.2yE@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>> >...
>> >When i asked my formal classmate in Shenzhen, his
>> >response is: 10000$/year is only half of his income...
>> 
>> Few days ago, a taxi driver in Shanghai told me that he eraned about 
>> $20,000/yr. "I will retire in a few years, after I gain enough money.
>> ". He is only in his 30s(I guess from his appearance).
>
>This is actually a problem in current China. A taxi driver can earn $20,000 a  
>year while most teachers can only make $200-$300 a year.
>
>Carl

it is also true in US. one of my friend drives taxi in nyc (with a MA degree :).
he makes about $1000 in cash weekly which is equivalent a $70,000/year salary.
but most of the school teachers only have a $15,000 income per year.

i think the taxi drivers deserve the money by working more than 11 hours a day
and worrying to be robbed or even be killed every minute on the road. i don't
understand what make teachers deserve more, most of them don't know nothing anyway.

--ed


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edwardz@ecs.comm.mot.com            |  i work to make my money work for me.
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FWD: CND Books and Journals Review, January 24, 1993
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:49:57 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1993Jan25.172831.8674@sunova.ssc.gov> xiaoyu@grumpy.SSC.GOV (Xiaoyu Li) writes:
<CND Books and Journals Review wrote:
<> Written during the age of political anarchy and social decadence known as
<> "The Period of Warring States" (5th-3rd centuries B.C.), the TAO TE CHING
<> addresses problems...
<
<"The Period of Warring States"??? So Dr. Johnny, who was younger
<than Lao Zi and once paid him a visit and asked for advices, must be
<living in "West Han Dynasty" period. :-)

It is time for me to check CiHai:-)

Page 1235, undet item "Dr. Me":

(5) Name of a book, aka, "Dao De Jin" or "Lao Zi 5000 Yan". It was said
written by Dr. Me in Spring-Autumn period. But from some text and problems
it addressed, this book was more likely edited in the Period of Warring States,
but basically kept Dr. Me's original thoughts....
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: e2liuzhe@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Zhen Liu)
Subject: Re: Unification of Taiwan and Mainland
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:00:33 GMT

some one may fool some people all the time, some one may fool all the people
some time, but no one can fool all the people all the time. No matter KMT or
CCP, they are all changing, CCP gave up the policy to attack Taiwan ten years
ago, KMT gave up a couple of years ago. They have no other choice. They must!!
KMT is a little bit stubborn on mainland's policy, actually stubborn like
a donkey. KMT just want to save its face,---a hooker is getting married!!!
so I rather choose CCP which know when to change.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Subject: Re: Travelling to China
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:06:33 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin
Keywords: Help Needed

In article <1993Jan25.191418.14013@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> baochen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Baosheng Chen) writes:
>Hi,
>
>	My one year old daughter was born in US, and we are planning to send 
> ....
>
>	(1) If she needs to apply a passport, how long it usually will take
>to get one from Consulate General in NYC ?
>	(2) If a passport is not necessary, what kinds of documents she will 
>need ? (We know that she may not be able to get a visa by using US passport)
>
>  ....
>	All helps are appreciated,
>

No, you got it all wrong. Your daughter IS a US citizen.
Bring your daughter's birth certificate and two (or three) color photos taken
from a certain angle to the nearest post office. Fill out some application
forms for the US passport. Submit a certain amount of applicaiton fee.
Wait a few weeks. As soon as you get the US passport, bring it to nearest
PRC consulate in US for visa (touring, visit, ...), pay some fee, then 
you'r ready to bring your daughter back to China.
-- 
 =============================================================================
 = The opinions are my own, not my employer's.  Ty Lee                       =
 =============================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: e2liuzhe@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Zhen Liu)
Subject: Re: Unification of Taiwan and Mainland
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:40:31 GMT

v999qx29@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

>In article <C1Dy35.CBs@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>, e2liuzhe@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Zhen Liu) writes...
>>Dr. Sun was a great man, he overthraw Qing dynasty which was one man above
>>million people. But CCP is not anymore. offcourse you may say Mr. Deng is
>>the godfather of communist, but whatever CCP does, it at least keeps 
>>saying that is for people. economists estimate china will keep 7-10% rate
>>increase within 20 years. I am fraid capitalism would not be better, maybe 
>>worse such as what happens in East Europe and Soviet Union. why do we take
>>the risk????? Let us give CCP 20 years to modernlize china. By the way,
>>KMT is a dictator too, it just begin to change------a hooker is getting
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>married!!!!!

>WRONG!!!
>Please be noted KMT no longer has the power to dictate people. It has been
>changing since 1949, maybe with a slow pace but nevertheless it was changing.
>Most importantly, some people in Taiwan, who were once described by KMT as
>mob, destroyer of social order and public safety,who put the happiness of people
>and economical growth of Taiwan in jeopardy and were hated by the majority who
>were well-trained by KMT's propaganda, insisted Taiwan should be improved 
>faster and KMT should give up dictatorship. Many of them have been jailed.
>Many unpleasant incidents have happened. But at last they won and KMT gave up
>dictatorship. I've seen many brave people seeking similar process in mainland
>such as TAM incident. And now, you act just like what the propagada-dumpped 
>majority in Taiwan have done during the unstable period of Democratic 
>transition. When Democracy really come , I am sure you will change your mind. 

I have already seen what happened in Soviet Union. Does Russian people get
any benifit from the second revolution???? they do get a democratic government,
does they have a happy life more than ever????

From: deng@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (David Deng (temp))
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 20:02:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Unification of Taiwan and Mainland
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china

In soc.culture.china, qian@fzi.de (Yi Qian) writes:

> >..
> Just a few more thoughts:
> 1) Taiwanese can now earn much money from mainlander. 
> 2) It benefits also mainlander to some extents.
> 3) Unification will benefit the politician of both sides, but not necessaryly
> the people of both sides.
> 4) If Taiwan were a independent country, it would not hurt the mainlander
> economically.

 No! If so, The army of CCP would attack Taiwan without any question.

 Good Luck!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wangz@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Wangz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Income tax rate and yearly income in China
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:14:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, University of Tokyo

To: stgprao@st.unocal.COM
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Computer Centre, University of Tokyo
Cc: 
Bcc: 

In article <1993Jan21.200011.14247@unocal.com> you write:
>In article <C17w4A.2yE@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>>...
>>>When i asked my formal classmate in Shenzhen, his
>>>response is: 10000$/year is only half of his income...
>>
>>Few days ago, a taxi driver in Shanghai told me that he eraned about 
>>$20,000/yr. "I will retire in a few years, after I gain enough money.
>>". He is only in his 30s(I guess from his appearance).
>
>Furthermore the tax infrastructure in China probably is not very efficient yet,
>so many of these guys are probably keeping nearly all of their income.
>
>What is the income tax rate in China these days for high incomes?
>Is there a yearly income report required?

Yes, there is an income tax rate in China. The figure in 1990 is that:
5% for that over 300 when the salary is 300-500, 15% for that over 500
when salary is 500-1000, 30% for that over 1000 when salary is over 1000.
But the problem is that, the income taxing system is China is so weak 
very few observe to it. Also, there is no system to check one's income
in China.
The yearly income in Guangdong Province averagely is about 3000Yuan, 2700
for Jiangsu, 2600 for Shandong. There is no figure for the whole country,
some analysts guess that the whole average figure should be around 1400-
1600 or something.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:03:22 GMT

In article <C17w4A.2yE@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
> >...
> >When i asked my formal classmate in Shenzhen, his
> >response is: 10000$/year is only half of his income...
> 
> Few days ago, a taxi driver in Shanghai told me that he eraned about 
> $20,000/yr. "I will retire in a few years, after I gain enough money.
> ". He is only in his 30s(I guess from his appearance).

This is actually a problem in current China. A taxi driver can earn $20,000 a  
year while most teachers can only make $200-$300 a year.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neptune)
Subject: Re: English Grammar Checker
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:19:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.204912.9671@ultb.isc.rit.edu> wxj7897@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Wendy:
>
>I've got a grammar checker, called "Correct Grammar", it's a DOS app
>and works with most word processors.  The vendor is:
>Writing Tools Group, Inc.
>One Harbor Drive, Suite 111
>Sausalito, CA 94965
>Phone:(800)523-3520
>
>It costs about $80 dollars include shipping and handling. 
>
>I ordered the software a year ago, and was hoping it would significantly
>improve my writting skill.  It didn't.  I felt pretty disappointed with
>myself rather than the software.  My expectation was too high, no mechan-
>ical thing can ever achieve that.  It wasn't able to correct some obvious
>grammatical mistakes.  I wouldn't bet on that (or any other) software to 
>make a decent writing, not for myself.
>
>Good luck.
>
>Wei


Does anyone have a shareware version of English grammar checker?
If so please e-mail one to me or post it!

Thank you.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34997 soc.culture.indian:44991
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:20:26 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <35395@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU> dchacko@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU (Daniel Chacko) writes:
>Instead of funnelling over 65% of your  national resources into your 
>xenophobic, power-hungry, expansionist military, why not re-direct
>your resources into agricultural and consumer based industries. 

The military spending of the People's Republic of China is about 10% of
gross national product, which is roughly what the United States spends
on its military.  Furthermore, real military spending has declined
significantly over the past 15 years (although it increased sharply
after Tiananmen).  

Where did you get the 65% from?

Also, I don't think it would be fair to character the PLA as
expansionist.  When the People's Republic of China was founded in
1949, it declared what its borders included and those border claims
haven't changed much since then.  It is true that what the PRC
considers to be its borders disagrees with what other people claim to
be its borders, but that's hardly "expansionism."

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:35133 soc.culture.taiwan:17479
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Show Down
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:38:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <2B631096.7833@news.service.uci.edu>, ygu@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Yifan Gu) writes...
>In article <1jqjnkINNd98@shelley.u.washington.edu>
>chchen@u.washington.edu writes:
>>
>>Just before the show was going to start, as a rule we all know,
>>the national anthem must be sung. However, the mainland dancers insisted
>>that there should be no singing of that "national anthem". (I 
>>do not know how the mainland dancers know that  song is the 
>>forbidden song in their mind; they must have listened to it before
>>coming to Taiwan so that they knew the song and are able
>>to prevent from being stealthily  sung by the Taiwanese.)
>>The way they worked it out is this: the mainland dancers all retreated
>>outside the performing hall while 2000 Taiwanese sang their national
>>anthem loudly (maybe) inside the hall.  
         ^^^^^^ 

I guess the audiences probably also include DPPers and TIers have sung ROC 
national anthem very loudly so those mainland dancers can "enjoy" it too. :-)

>Again, this is the original line:
> 
>"...... But even then, as the final touches of makeup were being 
>applied and the last costume straightened, a last minute dispute 
>meant the performance was almost cancelled. An emergency meeting 
>was called and, once again, the two sides sat down to negotiate.
>According to local custom, audiences are supposed to rise and 
>sing the Taiwanese Anthem before a preformance begins. The chinese 
>dancers, however, refused to have it played. As the curtain called
>an ******* ( likely a French word sounded like 'juveneer' and probably 
>means transition , that I can not figure out. Any one out there 
>to help ?), a compromise was reached. The dancers agreed
>to stand ouside of the hall until the audienaces finished singing.  ...  "

If those mainland dancers did become part of singing, wow, the Taiwan media
certinly will not miss the photo opportunity. Several years ago, Taiwan's 
delegation to the annual Asia Bank meeting which was held in Beijing,
Taiwan's delegates rose and listened the PRC natioanl anthem for "politeness".
And next day this "historical moment" :-) became a major news in China.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:35260 soc.culture.taiwan:17584 soc.culture.hongkong:17519
From: li@subway.enet.dec.com (Tong-Kang Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: 100th birthday of Madam Sun
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:56:03 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1993Jan27.200226.4803@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, wang@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Gang Wang) writes...
>Yuanhui Liu (liuyh@vis.toronto.edu) wrote:
>: In article <1993Jan27.162031.1443@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>: >In article <1993Jan27.150329.29166@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> wang@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Gang Wang) writes:
>: >>Great Era (b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk) wrote:
>: >>
>: >>: Today is the 100th birthday of Madam Sun (Sun, Soong Ching Ling).
>: >>
>: >>
>: >>: Great Era.
>: >>
>: >>Great lady.
>: >
>: >Why?
> 
>: because she's probably among the very few in both KMT and CCP continue
>: to follow Dr. Sun's guidelines after his death, both KMT and CCP brasses
>: should ashamed of their infighting and power grabbing since then.  
> 
>She's probably the only person who really understands Dr. Sun's 
>theory and hold her life to defend/apply it, without personal interest.
> 
>--wang

She devoted her life not only to defend Dr. Sun's theory but also to China.
Sadly, she was not able to apply it to China at all and she still believed 
in CCP even before her death. However, she is the best from her family. I 
have great respect to her.
From: jungu@bu.edu (James J. Gu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:20:29 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Boston University


this is a test, please ignore.
From: ZHUP@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: air charter company joint venture in china
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:30:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: QUCDN.93026.093048ZHUP
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston


Hi, everybody,

I have a friend who wants to set up a air charter joint venture in China. He ha
s an air charter business in Canada. Now he would like to get some information
on this matter. Specifically as follows:

1). Does China allowjoint air charter business operating in China?

2). How much paper is needed to set up this type of business?

3). Is it possible to change the Chinese currency to hard currency?

4). Does anyone happen to have the informationon the CHINESE AVIATION BUREAU s
uch as address, telephone number, contact person and etc.

5) What is the fuel price in China?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34954 soc.culture.taiwan:17377
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:11:53 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.224323.764@engage.pko.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li) writes:
>
>In article <86570@ut-emx.uucp>, joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes...
>>
>>If you want to buy imported goods or travel then you will have to pay
>>a lot of money.  The reason for this is that there are some goods
>>imported into Mainland China that you can't get domestically for any
>>price (for example a SUN computer).  Because people want those goods,
>>it pushes down the exchange rate so that the products which are
>>available locally in Mainland China are very, very cheap if you don't
>>have RMB.  This has two main economic effects.
>
>Then this kind of "pruchasing power" is not a real one to me. This purchasing 
>power is for *basic* living. This argument is more like in US one makes 
>US$30000/yr and another one makes US$80000/yr the pruchasing power for 
>*basic* living is the same. The one making more does not mean he/she will 
>eat 10 more eggs than the less one each day. The price they pay are the 
>same. But he/she certainly can afford better home and BMW those big items. 
>That is a real purchasing power. As Mr. Hsu of ATT pointed out, GNP is an 
>indicator for quality of life and variety of selection. 
>
>>Actually, the number of goods that are directly government subsidized
>>is rather small and growing smaller.  On the other hand, a lot of
>>industrial workers have jobs which can be considered government
>>subsidies in that the factories they are working in are losing a lot
>>of money and are being bailed out by government loans and subsidies.
>
>subsidizing too much can collapse economy. That is the lesson from Russia.
>
nope, subsidizing too much, and shifting from subsidizing to free market
overnight wreked the russina economy.  
every country subsidizes its industry more or less, giving loans,
handing out fat high-tech defense contracts, or congressmen gets
more pork into his own district, etc.  

>>The reason for this arguing over which figure to use for
>>GNP was that one netter seemed to be under the impression that the
>>standard of living on the Mainland was so low that the Mainland
>                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>economy was about to collapse and that the Mainland was so desperately
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>poor that Mainlanders would seek the return of the KMT.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>That is a false. In fact, living standard in China has been improving 
>significantly in the past ten years.
>


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:35233 soc.culture.europe:11442 soc.culture.indian:45582 soc.culture.pakistan:19901
From: math1pu@jane.uh.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: L.S.U. Professor says Indians Suck !!
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:36:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: jane.26JAN199312361810
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan26.011917.12327@ucselx.sdsu.edu>, pjoseph@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Paul Joseph) writes...
> 
>  Hey now wait just a minute. What about freedom, oppurtunity and
>  capitalistic ideals - what we graduate students are doing is 
>  nothing compared to what the settlers did to the native Americans
>  - the Indians. 
>  Dont they say - what goes around comes around - well
>   the Indians are back - the brown cowboy, blazes new trails, can add,
>  substract and ... faster than the eye. Bang, bang. Low hanging smith &   

I have to confess that I like what you wrote, Paul. But I don't really care 
what this idiot at LSU says. There is no reason to get upset over such 
absolutely stupid comments by a low quality jerk.
> 
Doug 

SOMETIMES I THINK I LEARN MORE IF I CLOSE ALL MY BOOKS.