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From: jeffy@bass.bu.edu (jeff yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during the Cultural Revolution
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:09:11 GMT
Reply-To: jeffy@bass.bu.edu (jeff yuan)
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University


In article <C0Jy2L.508@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
writes:

>One of  the arguments for Cutural Revolution is to eradicate the superstition
>among Chinese people like your grandfather and great grandfather.
...


This is the most naive view of the cultural revolution I've ever heard.  It's
what Mao would like you to believe.  I'm sure he's laughing his ass off
when he hears this.

In my mind, CR was a power struggle, at the expense of human life and
destruction.  A decade after the revolution and victory in 49, Mao saw
that people are drifting back to the "pre-revolutionary ways" (namely
more open and freer economy) and progressive leaders like Lin Biao are
gaining favors.  Mao decided to get rid of these leaders (his
revolutionary comrads) - Lin attempted to flee to USSR and was shot
down - and whip the country into another revolution.  Being an
incompetent asshole of a ruler (but arguably a good revolutionary),
this was the only way he could usurp power.  He did this by
manipulating the young and innocent (the red guard) under the pretense
of ridding the remnants of the feudal past and wielded this dangerous
weapon against his dissidents (granted, there are also many factions
vying for power).  Galvanized by ideological fervor and being hot
blooded they are, these kids rushed headlong into a wild rampage of
death and destruction.  The red guards were like a stampede of
buffalos, literally.  (When I was in China - Guang Zhou, a place where
the evil wind of CR was relatively mild - we used to have a very
beautiful and delicate Lung Feng serving tray that was painted red.  I
asked my mother why it was painted this ugly shade.  She said if it
wasn't so, it would have been shards, because when the red guards
poured out of the trucks, they trash everything that wasn't red.)
Everyone had to either go along, get out of the way (may not be
possible), or get trampled.  It does not surprise me that people can
be "coerced" into eating their own by the mob mentality.  The CR was a
very ugly period when the world was upside down (literally!  Red
traffic light means go!).  The most chilling thing is that I think I
saw this repeated in 89.  While my heart goes out for a freer and
better China, I kept seeing this sinister shadow prodding a herd of
buffalos.  I hope I am wrong and those d-students died for a worthy
cause, not some shithead's greed for power.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:24:54 EST
From: <LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Toycott Update 1/4/93

Cao4 Ni3 Ma1 toycott people!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.asian.american
From: roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: PBS: Series on the PLA
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:37:09 GMT

In article <C0nJuL.3B7@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu 
(Danielle T Wei) writes:

>Hi, recently the PBS network had been broadcasting a series on the PLA,
>anybody saw it? I first saw the PLAAF (People's Liberation Army Air Force)
>segment about a week ago, I thought that was just a one-show segment. But
>just yesterday (Saturday) I saw another segment on the Army Academy
>(they focused on one cadet). I thought it was REALLY nice, did anybody
>else see it??
>Anybody know how many episodes there are? How many have already been
>broadcasted?? Which ones did I miss?? When is the next one??

>Thanks!
>Ning Wang

Hmmm ... the signature does not match the ID .. but what the heck !  

I'll bet the narrator had a noticable Aussie accent.  If this is the 
series I think it is, it was filmed by an Austrailian film crew just 
before TAM.  The title wouldn't be 'The Great Wall of Iron', would it ?  

That series showed up on The Discovery Channel about 3 years ago.  A 
real eye-opener it was, too !!  There were either 4 of 5 episodes, and 
a filmed postscript about the filming itself.  Enjoy !!!  

--
Charles Roten | Hughes-STX, Incorporated | 
  roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov               | 'Use the Source, Luke!'
  7601 Ora-Glen Dr., Greenbelt, MD 20706 | 
  301-513-7805 (w),  301-317-0872 (h)    |            Obi-Wan Stallman
From: weig@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Mr Jian Luo
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:57:30 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology


Mr Jian Luo last known studying ME at Sinsinati(?) Uni. in 1991. Anyone
knows him please e-mail. Zhou Tao


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Toycott?
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:52:55 EST


I didn't see an explanation of what the "Toycott" is about?  Would someone
please provide me with one.

	p

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: test
Reply-To: uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:24:07 GMT


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yawei@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (~{QG9p~})
Subject: Re: Everyone should change his major to Qi Gong major
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:12:05 GMT

In article <105974@bu.edu> jeffy@bass.bu.edu (jeff yuan) writes:

>As for the trembling, OK, here's a demo.  Kids, go try this at home:
>
>1.  sit on a low chair or stool such that your knee is slightly
>	less than 90 degrees (knees slightly higher than hips).  
>2.  sit tiptoed (heels not touching the floor), with your ankle at 
>	about 90 degrees with your shank (normal unflexed or unextended).
>3.  lean forward and place your elbow or forearm on your knees so that
>	some of your weight is exerted at the ankle.
>4.  hack, you don't need all 30 minutes.  mere 10 minutes will send your
>	legs trembling uncontrollably (at least it worked great for me).

>This is your stretch reflex (like knee jerk) at work.


Hmmm, from what I've heard, this is very similar to the instructions
Yan Xin gave his audiences on some of the talks.  Perhaps someone who 
have attended the talks can corroborate some details?



   Ya-Gui Wei

From: ding@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Ignatius Ding)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:35:07 GMT
Subject: Report on the SVDC Christmas Card Campaign
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china

This is a follow-up report of the SVDC Christmas card campaign.  We like also 
to take the opportunity to thank everyone who participated the program.  
Special thanks to Edwin Fung, Wing Ng, and Xiao Qiang for their extra efforts to
make the project successful.  Edwin and Wing took the task of inputting names
and addresses and making them available to netters.  Xiao Qiang initiated the
project and provided us the information so that we could coordinate this all
out campaign.

In San Francisco bay area alone, we sent out thousands of cards and letters.
We are very pleased to report that many of us have received replies back from
dissidents and/or their families in China.  We have also located several 
individuals whom we had problems to communicate with because they were
forced to move out their residences by their work units.  The most notable
case was the family of jailed dissident Ren Wanding.  His wife wrote back to 
one of the SVDC Board members that she lost her job and residence and became
homeless last year.  Her daugther has been memtally ill soon after her husband
was arrested by the PSB.  They now live in a small room rented from a farmer
in the outskirt of Beijing.  The living conditions are very poor but they have 
no other choices at all since she is also pennyless.  She was very gracious in 
accepting a personal financial assistance from our friend.  We will monitor her
situation and call for continuous support.  If anyone wishes to help, please
contact us.  We will assist to deliver the contributions to her on an on-going
basis.  We learned from her letter that Mr. Ren's health is rapidly worsen.  We
will look into this matter to call on the U.S. and the international community 
to pay special attention to his case.

Please continue to write to all the dissidents.  We were told by them personally
how important it is for them to maintain communications with us.  By the end of
this month, we will collect sufficient information on the letter campaigns, its
effect, and the responses and results.  We will work with a journalist to
develop a major article ready to publish around the time at which President-
Elect Clinton takes oath for his office and the Chinese New Year.  Stay tuned.


Ignatius Ding
SVDC Communications
From: akula@ecst.csuchico.edu (Kuo Han Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:29:39 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <1993Jan8.004128.17107@mtu.edu> qye@next5 (QIAN YE) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.093426.2367@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu  
>writes:
>> There is a rumor that the U.S. is going to sell nuclear submarines (6 of  
>them)
>> to Taiwan.  Can someone confirm this? 
>i don't think so. I wonder if they are non-nuclear.
>If U.S did, China may sell same thing to Iran and Pakistan and ....

Iran has purchased more advanced Russian Kilo class submarines. Iran used to
be a customer of Chinese arms sale, but since they can buy more advanced
weapons from Russians now, I don't think they will be interested in buying
Jian-7 and H-7 while MiG-29 and Tu-22M Backfire is available. Both countries
you mentioned might want the ballistic missile technology from China. I think
this will be a dangerous thing for China herself. If someday the Pakistani
nuclear warheads were ready and mounted on Chinese built missiles, and they
were having border disputes with China at that time....
From: math1pu@elroy.uh.edu (Luo, Youngping)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:40 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan6.163137.25788@news.acns.nwu.edu>, carl_@nwu.edu writes...
>In article <93005.232305LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu>  writes:

Why is Tiawan after all these weapons for?  A naval blockade would do 
the job. I myself though is against any military means to resolve the
situation. However, I think Taiwan is becoming too heavily armed today. 
And I wonder what makes them think the mainland will attack in the first place.
Secondly, if the red China did attack, which would be a stupid move, how 
could Taiwan escape from being beaten regardless how many F-16's Mirage-
2000's they've got? Why can people just live peacefully and be nice to each 
other? After all we are all Chinese. So stop fight each other, stop building
up military forces for the purely imaginary "attack" from nowhere. 
Take it easy and relax!

Doug 

> 
>Carl
SOMETIMES I THINK I LEARN MORE IF I CLOSE ALL MY BOOKS.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dwong@chopsuey.pico ( paganini's admirer )
Subject: Re: SOCCER
Reply-To: dwong@chopsuey.pico
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:45:35 GMT

In article Lsv@news.udel.edu, gbc@brahms.udel.edu (Baochun Ge) writes:
>
>Hellow Guys:
>
>	I know Chinese soccer team beat Poland Olympic and
>Moscow teams 5:1 and 3:1 seperately in Singapore. But who
>won the champain after all, China or South Korea ? Information
>much appreciated.


Can anyone confirm if they were indeed the same Polish and CIS Olympic team?  Not some
practice teams with the same name?   I thought they usually send the same team to
World Cup.  How can China beat the them with such strange scores?  BTW, what was this
tournament in Singapore?  Was it just an invitational stuff?


DW.
From: zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Yaoen Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Interesting Picture
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:21:54 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

A quick note about the "Interesting Picture" I posted a while ago.

The method to decode the picture I suggested is not working right.
I believe you have to use an editor (like, vi) to join them together,
then use "uudecode" command.

Yaoen 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zwh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (W. Zheng)
Subject: Re: CCTV
Keywords: CCTV
Reply-To: zwh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (W. Zheng)
Organization: University of NSW
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:16:41 GMT


--
In article <1993Jan8.044045.23491@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
|>
|>Watched few days CCTV program through XiaoErDuo (little ear, sattelite 
|>dish), they are so good. The only problem is only one hour. I will try
|>ZhongErDuo (another sattelite), has anybody viewed that?


Could you tell me some more about it (both XiaoErDuo and ZhongErDuo). Can I buy one in Australia and how to use it to get CCTV? Any reply will be appreciate....

Thanks
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Rumor: U.S. Selling Nuke Sub to Taiwan?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 18:39:14 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1993Jan6.163137.25788@news.acns.nwu.edu> carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
>In article <93005.232305LXH108@psuvm.psu.edu>  writes:
>> I hope this is true,too. Because this is a good reason for us to
>> attack taiwan realier and quicker.
>
>What do you gain by attacking Taiwan?
>Carl

Yes, when the CCP won, they gained a "P". If they lose, they lose "P".
This "P" represents nothing but "P". It is P'ROC (a piece of rock).

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34315 soc.culture.asian.american:11478
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: PBS: Series on the PLA
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:08:43 GMT
Organization: UB

Hi, recently the PBS network had been broadcasting a series on the PLA,
anybody saw it? I first saw the PLAAF (People's Liberation Army Air Force)
segment about a week ago, I thought that was just a one-show segment. But
just yesterday (Saturday) I saw another segment on the Army Academy
(they focused on one cadet). I thought it was REALLY nice, did anybody
else see it??
Anybody know how many episodes there are? How many have already been
broadcasted?? Which ones did I miss?? When is the next one??

Thanks!
Ning Wang
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 11 Jan 1993 16:08:42 PST
From: Charles Young <YOUNG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: UN resolution of No Fly Zone and China
Distribution: na

UN resolutions indeed do not have an specific reference to a "no-fly zone".
They also do not have any specific details on what Iraq can and cannot do.
The limits were left loose and are subject to interpretation. US (and other
allied forces) have chosen to interpret the resolutions in a way to allow
"no-fly zones".
In article <C0p90r.Myw@apollo.hp.com>, zl@apollo.hp.com says:
>
>Sorry if this question has been asked and answered.
>
>The mass media here keeps mentioning the so called
>No Fly Zone enforced in Southern Iraq is an UN resolution.
>But from what I read in a local chinese newspaper, there
>is not such an UN resolution. It is only an agreement
>among US, Briton, and Frence.
>
>Due to the unreliability of both the chinese newspapers
>and US news media, here is my question, is there really
>such an UN resolution? If yes, what did China (and Rusia)
>vote?
>
>Thanks.
From: huangz@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CCP is China's hope
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:44:59 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

In article <106134@bu.edu>, lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>>>(deleted)
>>We should not have whole sale Westen style "democracy", it should be
>>discraminately selelcted to serve China.
> 
> It sounds right, but the problem is: who is in charge of such selecting?
> Zhang ZhiDong suggested this "discraminately selelction" 100 years ago,
> and Lu Xun repeated this 60 years ago, and Mao selectively got Stalinism:-(
> 
> Put history aside, could you please answer me this question?

Good question!

At the moment, the anwser seems like:
    The leaders are in charge. The question becomes: who is in charge
    of selecting leaders?
And at the moment, the answer seems like:
    The leaders in charge. 

( I recomment people to read the "survey of China" in The Economist (also
in this net). It said "acrossing the river by feeling the stones under
feet." )

Actually I think we have already found the way: Following Taiwan's step.
I must say China is like Taiwan of ten years ago. China has been studying 
Taiwanese experience carefully, and becomes confident in mono-party 
political system. Taiwan's transform is nearly perfect, and the army is
under control all the time, it is just amazing! However, there are some
worry about military in China. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: lws@eembox.ncku.edu.tw (WenHsiang Lin)
Subject: Re: weapon sales to Taiwan
Keywords: weapons, Taiwan
Organization: National Cheng Kung University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:09:16 GMT

In article <mvdvalk.726314577@mekong> mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk) writes:

>Dear netters,

>Many Taiwanese Chinese seem to be in favour of a strong Taiwan that can defend
>itself against military intervention and they seem to agree on their government
>buying Western weapon systems.

    Yes, we do agree to spend appropriate amount of money to defend ourself.

>I was wondering about the following. The currently most likely candidate to
>attack Taiwan is mainland China. Do the people of Taiwan realise that in that
>case, Western weapons would (again) be killing Chinese?

    In fact, our defense is buildup to prevent the invasion of mainland 
China. People here do realise the weapons would be killing Chinese, if
the case occurs. Do you really believe that a country shouldn't defend
herself just because the invader is of her race? Don't you think that
the people of Singapore should defend themself if mainland China invades
their country. Taiwan has been virtually independent for 40 more years,
and all of us don't want to live under the control of CCP goverment.
That's why we buy western weapons.

>According to the Dutch/French sinologist Kristoffer Schipper, the economic
>success of mainland China will lead to a decline of the economic power of
>Japan. He foresees another Sino-Japanese war in the coming 50 years.

    I doubt the possibility. China is no more the China of 60 years ago.
Japan dears not to initialize another Sino-Japanese war, if mainland China
can be even stronger.

>Imagine the following scenario: the mainland starts a (small) military
>intervention against Taiwan because the TI movement has become too powerful
>or whatever reason they come up with: civil war in the Pacific, Chinese
>butchering Chinese for the better of the Chinese people, no doubt.

>Japan, loyal to the Taiwanese as ever, tells the US that they will take care of
>the poor island and start to ``help'' the Taiwanese forces.

>Result: Japan and China are again at war...

    Any help from any foreign country will be appreciated at that time, even
the help is from Japan. The one who initialize the war should take 
the responsibility. However, we are against any country's ambitious 
of occupying any territory of China.

    By the way, I am not a TI support, but I do think Taiwanese have the
right to choose their own future. Unification? What's the advantage of
unification? I believe that the lives of people are much more valuable than
the symbol of a nation. We are against unification until the arriving of
democracy in mainland China.


WenHsiang Lin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: Re: Did Jesus practice qi gong?
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:42:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.043509.6000@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>
>What I'm implying is: if some people believe in the "miracles" of qi gong,
>but dismiss the "miracles" of Jesus, there must be some difference between
>what Jesus did and what qi gong is, and I'd like to have that difference
>explained to me. Sorry if I wasn't clearer originally.


	Jesus never did those things in front of us, while the QiGong
Masters are at least tempting or pretending to convince us in front of
our own eyes...

	And we know, no matter how many miracles these Masters can 
endure, they will die in due time.  As to Jesus...

	:-)


	 Eddie
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:34278 soc.culture.hongkong:16930 soc.culture.taiwan:16873
From: fyu@fyusparc2.us.oracle.com (Francis H. Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Guangxi massacre (Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi... )
Keywords: The CCP blood debts increased
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:56:37 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan9.023859.478@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <C0KDpG.4x6@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
>
>>Bullshit, what makes you think you can teach others, my statement is
>>that 'China-bashing will do harm to the reform', I still stand by it.
>
>But criticism (and harsh but true criticism) isn't really "bashing," which
>should be definied as unjustified criticism.
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^
But who makes the judgement?  A committee on criticism?  Bashing is bashing.
What concerns me more is that China-bashing (and probably Japan-bashing and
Israel-bashing) is often associated with racism.

>And yes, if you still stand by that statement, I presume that you would assume
>that Mikhail Gorbachev's "Soviet-bashing" would do harm to the reform.

Mikhail Gorbachev is only bashing Yeltsin.  Besides, Rusians are different,
they are white and they are Christians.  "Soviet-bashing" does not promote
racism.
-- 
Francis H. Yu
Oracle Corporation, 500 Oracle Parkway, Box 659504, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
Email:  fyu@shanghai.oracle.com  Voice:  (415) 506-3129  FAX:  (415) 506-7103
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: carl_@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:29:10 GMT

In article <C0JzHM.G7x@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
> atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule) writes:
> 
> >So you sell weapons in the name of peace, non-violence, and Buddhism, do you  
?
> >Believe me, you dont have to worry about your people starving to death. Your
> >"system"  will kill them anyways. Just ask them to go to Tiann???? square.
> 
> Yes, Chinese sell weapons to build a more peaceful word, but not
     !!!***********************************************!!!!

Oh, yeah! Then why don't you kill all the people in the world so that the world  
will really become peaceful.

Your argument is similar to: Prostitutes sell their bodies to eliminate sex  
crimes and thus create a more moral society.

Carl


> under the name of Buddhism, maybe you are involving too deep in
> the religious war which is happenning in your country and
> got confused.
> 
> You sarcasm about my previous post can only reveal your stupidity.
> 
> >Ajit.
> 
> Ze Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong