HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Honesty, Your word, and Trust -- a crisis?
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:55:25 GMT
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST
In-reply-to: orc@sybase.com's message of 22 Jan 93 20:46:16 GMT


In article <1993Jan22.204616.23077@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@sybase.com (Orc) writes:

   In article <JMD.93Jan22123711@lion.bear.com> jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond) writes:
   >An example: How many of you out there have said that you would meet
   >someone at a particular place at a particular time, but then been
   >late?  If you have, then you have broken your word -- you have been
   >_dishonest_.  I don't mean to attach any moral judgement here -- it is
   >not good or bad, but merely a fact.

      Right.

      Doesn't the word dishonest imply an intent to deceive?  If I
   agree to meet someone, but the train I'm on is taken out of service
   and I have to wait for another one, and thus show up late, I don't
   really see that I'm intentionally deceiving someone.

In a word, no.  There is no implication of prior intent -- merely
indication that the statement was false.

      There are a lot of unspoken assumptions about arrangements like
   that.  When you say you're gonna meet someone, the fine print
   includes such things as "if I'm not delayed, that is" along with
   notification clauses.

If I tell someone that I'm going to be somewhere at a given time, I do
_not_ mean "if I'm not delayed".  I mean that I will do whatever it
takes to insure that I am there on time.  Inevitably, sometimes I will
_not_ succeed.  That's fine -- as long as I _acknowledge_ the fact
that I broke my word.

This kind of casual relationship with our word is the whole problem!
If there's fine print, it is your responsibility to mention it.  If
you are coming on the train, it is up to you to tell the person who's
meeting you that it might be late.  


Spidey!!!

--
You don't hunt ducks with a turnip! 

 /\ \  / /\  Josh Diamond                                          jmd@bear.com
//\\ .. //\\ AKA Spidey!!!                        ...!ctr.columbia.edu!ursa!jmd
//\((  ))/\\
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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: How Does your Name Sound?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 08:21:57 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu

In article <C1JIA9.ACA@panix.com> sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.040340.28921@Virginia.EDU> llk4k@Virginia.EDU ("Lori Karalow") writes:
>>Okay, my turn, see if you can pronounce my last name......
>Now try spelling mine.  (Have someone read you the header while you
>write it down.  A majority of people get it wrong.)

Now y'all have an idea why I don't use my last name in the header. I just got
tired of people saughtering 'Rosul' (pronounced, btw 'row-sull' (last syllable
rhymes with 'gull')).
(actually, if you want to get technical, its pronounciation (non-anglicized)
is 'Roe-Shul'. Its means 'The Red' for the curious, and is Romanian in origin)
Just in case anybody really was curious :)
r.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Credibility and Trueness
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:40:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.004317.4781@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.192016.3925@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>>While you have it handy(as usual) look up acaulescent.
>
>Ok, I looked it up.  What do I get??
 
You win a fabulous date with Mr. Wright. Yes its true. No more Mr Wongs
in your life. You'll start your honeymoon life together at the fantabulous
budgeteer motel. No more wasting money on people from the service sector
when that money can be spent on books to improve your mind.
 
YES. Your day will start early as you stoke up the stove allowing your
dreamboat the time to do mind exercises. After you've spoon fed him whilst
he hones those razor sharp retort's you'll proceed to fetch him his
paper. Lickedy split get rid of that sports section. Remember he does it
all for you.
 
At bathroom time you get to play "Roll out the hose" and "Where the heck
did those wipes go" as your knight in shining armor continue's to search
for a new subject to post on after a year and half.
 
Mrs Edward Wright(gives you goose bumps just thinking about it) or should we
call you Eleanor, just remember in the life of caviar you'll need to clean out
the stall, from when your prince decide's to show you just how physical
a mans man can be.

Congratulations and B'on Voyage. B'on Appeteet.

>
>
>Piglet, acaulescent's-r-us
 
------> :-) <------

 
================================================================================
 Steatopygias's 'R' Us.          doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot.
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: The Classiest Pickup Lines
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:38:49 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <C1AEFs.747@CAM.ORG> souchay@CAM.ORG (Francois Souchay) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.205533.14367@netcom.com> desiree@netcom.com (dmc) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan21.175233.12195@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> csanoy@bcars689.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cynthia Sanoy) writes:
>>
>>>        and c) typical (use of pseudo European characteristics to sell to 
>>>        unsuspecting 'Mercans! (for those who don't see the humour... colour, in
>>	And the correct french spelling of colour is couleur.  The french
>>have adopted many americanisms as a marketing ploy.  Works for me...
>
>France is a weird place. On one side, we have cynicism masquerading as 
					  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ya think?

>amusement at the innocent naivete of Americans. On the other, all kinds 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Same could be said of Americans, or actually, amusement masquerading as
cynicism towards the overbearing naivete of the French.

>of truly strange pop culture gets imported & goggled over. I mean,
>how many people on this news group have sat through an _entire_ Jerry
>Lewis movie? 

I have, but I don't remember it.  I must have been drunk.

>
>Even Bruce, that most American of pop stars, sold out the Olympia for four
>shows. Yet Parisians are incredibly snotty to Statesiders. Then again,
>Parisians are snotty to other French folk too....
>
>Francois.

I hate Bruce.

Most good musicians...no I won't make any more generalizations...

;)

later.


andy
.
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: A hug for illiterate flamers
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:48:08 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman (BBN)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcink.bbn.com

In article <1993Jan27.150631.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz> quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>ag936@yfn.ysu.edu (Lance Durden) writes:
>
>>                HUGS
>>           R. H. Grenville
>
>[Poem deleted on the grounds that diabetics would be threatened]

Yeah, it was drivel, but give the guy his due.  The three poems that
have been posted in response so far have been great!

Dawn
-- 
"You have this adorable and misguided notion that death is something really
radical and cool but I still can't help being attracted to your fresh-faced
uncompromised tatoo-ed rebel stance and god damn, I'd like to help you
sing your tune."  "Folk Song..." by Bongwater
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Flirting How To Guide/Backrubs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: soc
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 06:30:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.155401.8134@netcom.com> aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:
>In article <1993Jan23.003333.18031@leland.Stanford.EDU> rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft) writes:
>>
>>Excellent.  Here I've been feeling inadequate, listening to Aahz and the
>>others extoll the virtues of backrubs.  I've disliked them ever since I
>>was a kid.  My brother loved it, but I'd just squirm out of the way.
>>I don't suppose I actively dislike it anymore.  Don't understand it is more
>>like it.
>>
>>I'd like to come out as a take-it-or-leave-it-backrub sort of guy.
>
>Please note that in my original article, I said the following:
>
>"Would you like your feet rubbed?"  At this point, if she's completely
>uninterested, and doesn't offer any alternative, you're probably better
>off finding someone else (assuming your taste in physical contact is
>similar to mine).
>

Hello?  So what?  My comment was entirely in response to J. Wright's
remark that backrubs didn't do _her_ any particular good.  Which is why
I modified the subject and cut out all previous exchanges of the thread.
Threads drift.

In no way am I accusing Aahz of foisting backrubs on unwilling recipients.

Although it is sort of amusing to imagine such a scene...

No, NO!  Not a backrub!  ANYTHING but a backrub!  Aieeeeeeeee!

RNA
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:02:59 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Favorite Groups
 <1993Jan26.141417.15148@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
 <1993Jan26.204346.15859@netcom.com> <1993Jan27.215803.24283@datamark.co.nz>
 <thurlow.728193943@convex.convex.com>

In article <thurlow.728193943@convex.convex.com>, thurlow@convex.com (Robert
Thurlow) says:
>In <1993Jan27.215803.24283@datamark.co.nz> thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas      )
>Beagle
>writes:
>
>>Could all the net.old.farts try to remember that just because they've
>>been on the net since it was net.singles (or whatever) doesn't
>>actually make their posts any clearer?
>
>You bet!  But in exchange, could all the net.young.fucks try to
>remember that we're not generally *trying* to be cliquish and
>exclusive?
>
>Rob T
>--
>Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com

You're not.

It's _very_ rare that something that desperately needs more context
than can be inferred from what's posted with it gets posted, as well.

It (for the other wet-behind-the-ears-types) also helps if you
can post something that has some sort of 'hook' to it - arguments
that are strongly closed don't get responded to, much.

Graydon
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: sdy@bcstec.boeing.com (Ugly Bag of Mostly Water)
Subject: Re: Anonymous Postings
Organization: Ringworld
	<1993Jan22.123046.1@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:20:12 GMT

>>>>> On 22 Jan 93 12:30:46 NZST, quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz said:
   quirke> martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:

> I just don't want soc.singles taken over by "MAM looking for SAF geisha with
> own shamisen".

   quirke>    Um, I wouldn't mind making an exception for that particular
   quirke> example...

well I think its usually "MWM looking for.." =)

and I think (therefore it is the truth ;) that those bashful anonymous
persons/beasts should be allowed to post, but be warned about random "ads".
or each one of us could answer via 'r' appropriately.

steve.
-- 
Steven D. Yee is sdy@bcstec.boeing.com    ==> The Boeing Co. has no opinions =P
       I supply creativity to another's mistake as a form of self hate..
            What about your friends? Will they stand their ground?
                   Will they let you down, again? -- T.L.C.
From: pooh@Apple.COM (Wendy Nather)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: (LONG) Re: Living alone and liking it
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:01:44 GMT
Organization: Internet Refugee Camp

In the referenced article, sharon@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Sharon Curtis) writes:
    [long article about how great it is to live alone and be
	single deleted]

I'm sorry, Sharon, but according to the law as set forth by
Ed Wright, you cannot possibly be happy being single, so
please lie down until your delusions pass.  Thank you.






Seriously, I can relate to a lot of what you say.  The men
I know just don't seem to spend as many CPU cycles being
"other-oriented" as women do.  They do what THEY prefer and
hope that we will put up with it.  A man will happily live
in his own messy apartment, but not consider that someone
else might want to walk without tripping over things.  He will
only start thinking about dinner when HE is hungry, and only
then will notice that there's nothing to eat in the house,
complain about it, and then go get a beer and Doritos.  
Men don't remember personal data relevant to anyone else
(like birthdays, preferences, family issues, etc.).  Often
they will give gifts when THEY feel like it and think of it,
not when they think YOU would like it or need cheering up.

In all fairness, men fall along a spectrum between the self-centered
child and the functional adult who can plan a dinner with more than
one course and actually cook it.  But it seems to me that when
a woman gets into a relationship, she starts thinking about "us"
and jumps into nurture mode, whereas men still think about
themselves except that they're not as lonely as they used to be.
It would be nice to find a man who would take it upon himself
to keep the fridge stocked with MY favorite foods, keep
medical supplies on hand, nurture personal relationships with
my friends and family, remind me of my appointments, and worry
when I was running out of clean underwear!*  It seems to me that
men do indeed get more out of a relationship than women do.

Pooh
	pooh@apple.com

* Again, in all fairness, my PSOM does manage to get Diet Coke into
his fridge when I visit, has been known to have aspirin, and
sends an occasional mail message to colleagues of mine he's met,
although he doesn't really seem to care whether I have clean
underwear to wear. ;-)
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:36:47 EST
From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: *How* did you meet your SO (And do they know?)
 <1993Jan20.001919.7388@julian.uwo.ca> <1993Jan21.012353.19212@panix.com>
 <1993Jan21.195934.5683@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>

In article <1993Jan21.195934.5683@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu
(trygve lode) says:
>
>Trygve   (But most of all, I'd like to know the identity of the mysterious
>          tall, attractive woman with long blonde hair who has been
>          convincing people that she's my girlfriend--as far as I know
>          I've never seen her, but I keep running into people who mention
>          that they've run into her.)
>--

I think this is evidence of a cunning plan - either some subset of
your friends wants to make you a bit twitchier than you already are,
*or* the TAWWLBH has dark, nefarious plans that involve marriage, and
she figures that a little conceptual momentum on the part of your
social surrounds wouldn't hurt.

Repeat something often enough and you start believing it - she's just
practicing on your friends before getting to you.

Graydon, who is occaisionally a touch paranoid...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
saundrsg@               "Praise then Darkness and Creation unfinished"
   qucdn.queensu.ca                   - U. K. LeGuin
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer)
Subject: Re: Favorite Groups
Organization: The Tickle Palace - Moonyvale, CA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:41:20 GMT

In article <thurlow.727889563@convex.convex.com> thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:
>In <1993Jan24.091528.2336@netcom.com> rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer) writes:
>
>>     Sure and by the way I am 30.  I like, in alphabetical order:
>
>[Mr. Data dumps his database]
>
>Boy, now that was sure what I had hoped to read today on soc.singles!
>A computer generated list of artists like "Browne, Jackson".  Be still
>my beating heart!  Just the raw data I wanted!  Happy, happy!  Joy, joy!
>

     Guy Barry asked and I answered him with who I liked.  Computer
generated? Nah.

>Hint: if you're trying on any level to portray yourself as a human
>being with warmth and emotions, it's not working.

     Fine.  I can not control how others perceive me.  I can only control
my own actions.  If you perceive me the way that you do, then fine.  You
do not know my motivations and what I am trying to accomplish, if I am
trying to accomplish anything, by posting here.

>You come across
>in almost any article I read by you as a logical little automaton
>with Spock ears.  If that's really what you're like, please accept
>my apologies for making a big deal about it.
>

    If that is the way that you interpret how I am by my posts,
then I can not change how you interpret me.  After the PSC thread,
I believe that I have revealed more non-logical things about myself.
If you don't see that, then fine.

>>     There are other artists and groups which I like that I may not
>>listed.
>
>Oh no!  How can your machine mind live with such imprecision?
>

     Easy.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Living alone and liking it
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:42:15 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1993Jan21.185205.2304@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jwall@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Wall) writes:
>In article <77121@apple.apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
|>blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
|>
|>>So what do you look like in latex? :)
|>
|>Like Garfield.
|
|Garfield is absolutely adorable!!  (Not to mention humerous)

Yea, but have you ever seen him in Latex?
From: jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Priorities
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:26:31 GMT
	<1993Jan26.004406.28171@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
	<C1GIDB.8pp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
	<1993Jan26.230843.14635@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST
In-reply-to: mel@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu's message of 26 Jan 93 23:08:43 GMT


In article <1993Jan26.230843.14635@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mel@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Meloney D Cregor) writes:

   I guess I haven't adopted Marvin's philosohy of "It'll NEVER happen",
   but that it is unlikely, so in the mean time, I get on with my life
   and do those things which I find enjoyable and those things that make
   me content (Ok, Ed, I might not be 'happy' with the situation, but I
   am content with it and I am content to be content).

Gee -- do you mean Marvin Raab?  I haven't heard him mentioned in
these parts in a _long_ time...

Anyone heard from him recently?  Marvin -- you out there?


Spidey!!!
--
You don't hunt ducks with a turnip! 

 /\ \  / /\  Josh Diamond                                          jmd@bear.com
//\\ .. //\\ AKA Spidey!!!                        ...!ctr.columbia.edu!ursa!jmd
//\((  ))/\\
/  < `' >  \                                              Do whatever it takes.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: A hug for illiterate flamers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 23:33:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.163352.24574@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ron@turing.toronto.edu (Ron Wessels) writes:
>julie@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Julie Wright) responds to "HUGS" with a
>brilliant masterpiece entitled:
>>	   GAG
>>	by J.R. Wright
>
>Julie ... forget your seesters.  Will you marry me?


8.1 (or 10.0 in Canadian currency).

RNA
From: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Concerts vs. Relationship
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:37:58 GMT
Reply-To: jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf)
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.

In article <77503@apple.apple.COM>, pooh@Apple.COM (Pooh) writes:
|> 
|> Yes.  A guy I was dating took me to a Barry Manilow concert.
|> It was all over after that.

I put up with a blow-dried, choreographed Moody Blues concert from a
woman I like otherwise, but I did re-assert civilized values by taking
her to Hot Tuna a week or so later.
-- 
	dr memory
	jbulf@kpc.com
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Credibility...
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:49:36 GMT

In article <ewright.727573793@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>
>There's a big difference between someone who is happy despite
>being single and someone who is happy being single.  Saying
>you're "happy being single" is about as credible as saying
>you're "happy having cancer."

Gosh, I've had Cancers before and it was lots of fun (I'd say that they're
at least as good as any other sun sign).  (Or were you not talking about
"moon children" there?)

Seriously, though, there are lots of things to enjoy about being single;
indeed, after a few relationships that got a bit bad towards the end, I
was delighted to be single again and definitely wanted to stay that way,
at least for a while.  I also know people who seem to have no interest in
being in a relationship at all (one in particular has the problem that
she's (by our current social standards) very attractive, intelligent, etc.,
and keeps having people decide that she's their ideal woman and wanting
to live the rest of their lives with her while her interest in even
dating anybody is simply nonexistent).

What I do want to know is why you feel so certain about this pronouncement
that it is impossible to be happy being single?  What do you feel that 
people get out of being not-single that is essential to happiness?

I'm happy enjoying a hot fudge brownie sundae and I'm also happy enjoying
a good pizza--how is enjoying being single and enjoying being not-single
so different?

Trygve   (I'm even happy to enjoy other singles with hot fudge.)
--
"Perhaps the most compelling conclusion that may be drawn from any of the
 multitude of books written about the prophesies of Nostradamus is that
 he possessed the most uncanny ability to acurately forsee the future up
 through the publication date of the book, after which his prescient
 abilities decline rapidly."
From: misrael@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Israel)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Marvin Raab
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:05:06 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa

In article <JMD.93Jan26232631@flatline.bear.com>, jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond) writes:

> Gee -- do you mean Marvin Raab?  I haven't heard him mentioned in
> these parts in a _long_ time...
>
> Anyone heard from him recently?  Marvin -- you out there?

   In the last post from him that I saw, he said he had given up 
on soc.singles ("I don't even grep for my name any more"), because
he found it boringly repetitious.  But he was still posting to
ba.singles.

misrael@csi.uottawa.ca			Mark Israel
Sunbeams brightly play, where Fancy's fair pavilion once is pight.
From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: SM ISO MAIL
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:01:32
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
	<1993Jan22.000846.10561@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: grover.cs.unc.edu
In-reply-to: sgokhale@lonestar.utsa.edu's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:08:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.000846.10561@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sgokhale@lonestar.utsa.edu (Shashank S. Gokhale) writes:

   In article <1993Jan21.080925.28833@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
   >In article 9824@ringer.cs.utsa.edu, sgokhale@lonestar.utsa.edu (Shashank S. Gokhale) writes:

   hey you yes you. why do you make fun of people like this?  were you
   not seeking a SO at anytime?

Two reasons:

(1) You're posting this to the wrong group dickhead.

(2) Did you ever hear why a dog will lie in a driveway licking his own
    genitals? 



--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T