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From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.african.french
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:19:50 GMT

In article <BIEM.92Dec18110752@hsun21.atr-hr.atr.co.jp> biem@atr-hr.atr.co.jp (Alain Biem) writes:


>   Our pride as being Africans certainly lead us to find attractive
>the idea of chosing an africam langage to be thaught to all african.
>Though I will support this idea, I can't help myself asking some
>questions over the ability of such a language to help us maintain our
>level in the international geo-politic system led by western countries.
> To say think simpler, there is no for example, scientific books nor
>reports written in any african language and it may take time and money
>to get them translated in a case such an africam langage was chosen.

This will be money well spent, IMO. Look at Tanzania. I understand native
Swahili speakers are not the majority, not even the biggest minority.
But Mwalimu Julius Nyerere decided to make it THE language, and now Tanzania
has among the heighest literacy rates in the world! Why? To begin with,
Swahili is a bantu language, similar to what everybody else is speaking. So
after learning it, you can actually dream in the language!! People are not
forced per se, and you don't have to be in High School before you are 
proficient in it.

As far as science goes, you and I should know better. The language used has
nothing to do with English or French etc. These are technical terms with very
little to do with daily life! For example, if I meet an English speaking dude
on the street, and I use "English" technical jargon, the chances are s/he will
be confused shitless...

Another reason I am opposed to these colonial languages is that they ARE
colonizing! You cannot go thru Mark Twain, W. Shakespeare, Charles Dickens
etc without appreciating the cultures involved somehow. Nothing wrong with 
that, but then you get hooked!! Soon you start dreaming in English and before
you realize it, you are up to the neck with "Country and Western Music".

I doubt if I am the only one with these observations....I have to stop now
since debating is not my forte.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: US TROOPS IN SOMALIA -NEWS
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:24:32 GMT
Organization: Inter-Galactic Space Probe No. 42 


Subject: Muslim leaders denounce U.S. 'invasion' of Somalia

	BEIRUT, Lebanon (UPI) -- Lebanese Muslim religious leaders Friday
denounced what they called the ``invasion'' of Somalia by the United
States and called on the world's Muslims to oppose it.
	Sheikh Sobhi Tofaili, a hard-line official of the pro-Iranian
Hezbollah, said during Friday prayers that the United States ``is
occupying a Muslim country under the banner of relief and salvation.''
	Tofaili said the U.S. intervention in Somalia aimed at establishing a
pro-Western government and tightening the grip on neighboring Sudan and
the north African states.
	``If they want to protect food convoys, why send thousands of troops
and tanks?'' he asked.
	The Hezbollah official called on the ``faithful to confront this
aggressive invasion.''
	Hezbollah Politburo member Hussein Khalil condemned what he described
``as an ugly crime committed by the French soldiers against our brothers
in Somalia.''Khalil was referring to a shooting that took place late
Thursday in which two Somalis were killed.
	``What happened is another point to be added to France's black
record,'' Khalil said. He accused the French government of ``blind
obedience to the Great Master at the White House.''
	In the southern port city of Sidon, Sheikh Maher Hammoud, spokesman
for the Iranian-backed ``Islamic Front,'' said the so-called
humanitarian operation in Somalia was part of a plan that targets all
Muslims in the world, including those of Bosnia-Herzegovina, India and
Palestine.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: MEDLINE Biblio on Clitoridectomy
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:13:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700286:cdp:1471700302:000:1205
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Dec 12 11:13:00 1992


Makala:

re: your tirade about Clitoridectomy.....

How curious that you respond so forcefully to a totally unemotional
survey of the medical literature on this subject.  This material was
posted so that the many people who did express interestcould
take a look at what scientists from many countries are saying about
this practice.  

It is my view that you want this subject kept under wraps and you will
use all kinds of intimidation, name calling, race baiting and hyperbole
to prevent any discussion of this topic.  My guess is that you
find yourself in a very uncomfortable position of defending
a practice you find abhorent because it is practiced by Africans
(among others).

In regards to all of this childish race baiting, I notice that
sometimes you get off the emotional tirades and show some
constructive thought and an apparently genuine interest in dialog.
For this I am grateful to you and I honor your spirit of inquiry.
It is difficult to avoid discounting you, missing your value
because of the provocations which obscure your thoughtfulness.
But since you have shown your better self, we know who you
are and you cannot totally hide your appreciation for rational
discourse.

Jim  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
From: akinkunl@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (X)
Subject: Kujichagulia Celebration
Organization: Weusi Taifa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:30:13 GMT

                               SHULE YA WATOTO
                               Saturday Academy

                                  Celebration

                                 KWANZAA - 92

Theme: "Children are the Reward of Life" - A Tribute to Our Youth

                                  Featuring

                    Shule Ya Watoto Saturday Academy & Alumni

                          Simba Na Malaika Wachanga

               Weusi Mtu Jamaa (Blak Manhood Development Program)

                          On the second day of Kwanzaa
                        Kujichagulia (Self-Determination)

                         Sunday, December 27th, 1992
                                7:00 - 9:00 PM

                       Malcolm X College Cultural Center
                       1900 W. Van Buren Street, Chicago

                                    FREE!

Featuring:

     Dance
     Music
     Rap Poetry (Ten-Tray)
     Afrikan Naming Ceremony


Sponsored by the Shule Ya Watoto
                 127 N. Leamington Street
                 Chicago, IL     60644

                 (312) 378-1990


            CELEBRATE KWANZAA     DECEMBER 26 - JANUARY 1

       Hetep.



*SOJOURNER*HUEY*HARRIET*MALCOLM*ROSA*MARCUS*IDA*FRED H.*ASSATA*BIKO*FANNIE LOU*

                                    MA'AT
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                                    _____
                                  /       \
                                  |       |
                       PEACE      \       /    JUSTICE
                                   \     /
                                     \ /
                               ---------------
                                      |
                                      |
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                                   HARMONY


                           THE BASIS OF ALL ORDER 
                           ----------------------

**SHAKA*CANDACE*AMENHOTEP IV*NEFERTARI*TAHARQA*HATSHEPSUT*IMHOTEP*NZINGA*MENES**
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: What happened to the Kenya elections
Organization: Center for Life Fulfillment
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:13:56 GMT

I was busy with several things for the past few weeks and didn't take
the time to read this newsgroup.  I also noticed that Dec 3rd went by
and I haven't heard anything about the elections.

Were they postponed or did they take place.  US newspapers are so full
of information on Africa.  NOT!  Marines in Somalia is about all.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: To All Disaffected White People
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:21:02 GMT

This is forwarded from soc.culture.african.american. It also describes
perfectly what is hapenning here on S.C.A. We see hordes of white South 
Africans accusing blaks of being racists (that way, they can continue
practicing it with a clear conscience, IF at all they do have a conscience.)
Most of the postings on S.C.A.A. are by whites who are basically trying to
prove that blaks are racists or go thru racists programs like AA. Please
read this carefully and learn!!

In article <1992Dec15.113757.10806@vax.oxford.ac.uk> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.104439.12140@vms.eurokom.ie>, ncostello@vms.eurokom.ie writes:
>> 
>> I couldn't agree more. I don't buy this stuff about "reverse racism"
>> in the first place, but even if you accept it, I think you'd have to
>> accept that "reverse racism" accounts for, let's say, 1% of racism
>> in America (or in my country Britain, or in my country of residence
>> Belgium), or 0.1%, or anyway some small number, measured in terms of its
>> effects on people's life chances. And if that's true, what do you call
>> people who spend 99% of their time spent on racism focussed on the 1%
>> of racism that is against whites? 
>
>Hypocritical shitheads... and closet racists.
>
>McBean

Amen, my brothas! Couldn't agree with ya more.

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From: f54oguocha@edison.usask.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: RE: wedding customs?
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:38:00 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: edison.usask.ca

In a previous article, willemsdawnm@bvc.edu wrote:
>I am currently doing a paper on wedding customs of different societies.  I
>would appreciate any information anyone can provide for me.
>Please send info to willemsdawnm.bvc.edu
> 
>thanks tons
>dawn
What do you really mean by wedding customs? do you mean the type done in the
church or the mosque? or do you mean marriage customs? if you are looking for
info on wedding customs in s.c.a., i think you're on the wrong channel. but if
you are looking for information on marriage customs, then reframe your request.
wedding in either the church or the mosque is not an African culture, ok?
marriage is part of our culture and if you have any need for us to enlighten
you on marriage customs in Africa, be specific about the region or country
from where you want the information. 
oguocha
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american
From: akinkunl@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (X)
Subject: Pre-Kwanzaa Celebration in Chicago...
Organization: Weusi Taifa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:28:02 GMT

Jambo,

     For those of you who'll be in Chicago this week-end, check this out:

                         PRE-KWANZAA CELEBRATION

                      Saturdat, December 19, 1992

                           11:00 AM 6:00 PM

              South Shore Cultural Center, 7059 S. South Shore Dr.

                                  FREE!

Annual Kwanzaa Address - Dr. Maulana Karenga (founder of Kwanzaa)
(Lecture title: Kwanzaa, Malcolm and Memory: 
                 Recovering the Vision and Value of each)

Book Signing - Dr. Maulana Karenga

"The Importance of Kwanzaa" - Dr. Margaret Burroughs

Free Afrikan Dance lessons - Darlene Blackburn

Cultural Presentation - Simba Na Malaika Wachanga

Storytelling, Drum Call, Children Dancing - Alyo Children's Dance Theater

Children Performances - New Concept Development Center

Afrikan Marketplace


FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CALL (312) 986-8410

       Hetep.



*SOJOURNER*HUEY*HARRIET*MALCOLM*ROSA*MARCUS*IDA*FRED H.*ASSATA*BIKO*FANNIE LOU*

                                    MA'AT
                                    -----

                                    _____
                                  /       \
                                  |       |
                       PEACE      \       /    JUSTICE
                                   \     /
                                     \ /
                               ---------------
                                      |
                                      |
                                      |

                                   HARMONY


                           THE BASIS OF ALL ORDER 
                           ----------------------

**SHAKA*CANDACE*AMENHOTEP IV*NEFERTARI*TAHARQA*HATSHEPSUT*IMHOTEP*NZINGA*MENES**
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:AFRICA: ITALY AGREES TO SEND TROOPS TO SOMALIA, MOZAMBIQUE
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:49:52 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: Europe, western; Africa, east
Title: AFRICA: ITALY AGREES TO SEND TROOPS TO SOMALIA, MOZAMBIQUE


rome, dec 9 (ips) -- the italian government wednesday agreed to
send troops to somalia and mozambique as part of a multinational
force which will safeguard the distribution of relief supplies in
the two african countries.

the italian decision was announced by foreign minister emilio
colombo at the end of a cabinet meeting.

colombia denied media reports that the somalis were hostile to
italy, which colonized part of the country from the late 19th
century until 1960.

''our troops have already received the consensus of the
various somali groups presented in addis abeba'' the ethiopian
capital, he said.

the government will inform parliament of its decision on
thursday.

defence minister salvo ando said that 3,200 italian soldiers
would participate in the operations in the two african countries
of which 1,200 would go to mozambique.

a first contingent of 300 troops will leave on thursday night
or friday morning, he said.

the united nations asked the italian government to send troops
to mozambique to guarantee the security and distribution of aid
to the country.

the request came in a letter from un secretary-general boutros
boutros-ghali, handed over to the head of the italian government,
guiliano amato, on monday by the secretary-general's envoy aldo
ajello.

colombo said that italy's presence in mozambique was within
the framework of the implementation of a peace treaty concluded
in rome between representatives of that country's government and
rebels on oct. 4.

the treaty crowned two years of negotiations brokered by italy
and ended a 16-year war in the southern african country.
(end/ips/trd/so/jp-ds/kb/92)
From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: WHAT IS X-MASS??????????
Date: 18 Dec 92 05:19:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4fASk_600YUoMOJnRb
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

X-mas was developed by the same person who took the word "cross" out of 
crossing and made it X-ing.  (Another Anti-Christian plot :-)


Steve Timm
From: jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Proposals to Aid Somalia?????
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:13:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700289:cdp:1471700300:000:973
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Dec 11 19:13:00 1992


re: "each man for himself"

ronald:

I am a constant advocate for our using every tool we have to
learn to do things together and to create cooperative ventures
which work.  However, I live in a land where many cooperative ventures
seem to have gone awry and where it is considered a matter of
survival not to "take care of the other guy".

How about "Why the heck should I do anything about...that other
guys problem?"  "What has it got to do with me?"  "It's not
my business", "Sorry, I can't afford to help right now, I've got
my own problems".

My point is, aside from the purely humanitarian tug at the heart,
pullyour guts out plea with pictures of dying babies to arouse my guilt,
what are you going to say about the real value in the world
of organizing ourselves to take care of each other.  When you get past the
(not my term) "bleeding heart sob stories" why, really shold we 
help in the face of a horrible tragedy?  What would Albert
Camous or J.P Sartre say?
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Enough already!
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:16:26 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)

In article <1992Dec9.151215.9822@panix.com>, mukasa@panix (Michael K Mukasa) writes:
>	      A statement was made that there was an isolated group of
>people IN Africa that had had the AIDS virus for many years and had only
>started spreading it recently.

No such statement was made.  HIV does not spread so easily via male-female
sex.  It usually takes repeated and repeated and repeated attempts.  If the
first humans who had the virus did not engage in orgies with all temporary
visitors, that would have been enough to keep the virus isolated.

>				 Now anyone with more than one brain cell
>between their ears would have known that the statement refered to the
>impossibility of isolating a group of dead people (because that is what I
>call people with AIDS for more than a decade) except on an island.

What gibberish.  The basic fact is that _live_ people spread HIV.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: barnhart@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS:FINANCE: Kenya, Ghana get World Bank credits
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:46:16 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: FINANCE: Kenya, Ghana get World Bank credits


washington, dec 10 (ips) -- the world bank announced thursday that
its soft-loan affiliate, the international development association
(ida), has approved new credits for kenya and ghana.

kenya, which had been subject to a suspension in new aid or
loans from western donors and the bank since november 1991, will
receive a 23.3-million-dollar credit to help the government sell
off or reform some parastatal enterprises, the bank said.

ghana will receive a 22.5-million-dollar credit to support a
national livestock services project designed to increase meat,
egg, and milk production and to improve animal health services.

the credit for kenya, which is being co-financed with a 4.2-
million-dollar loan from britain, will help the government of
president daniel arap moi implement the privatisation of at least
20 of over 200 public enterprises targeted for sale or liquidation
and improve and reform the remaining public enterprises, the bank
said.

in late november 1991, the bank announced the suspension of new
aid and loans to kenya pending the implementation of political and
economic reforms.

it also said that ''levels of aid for kenya depend on clear
progress in implementing economic and social reform''.

the following month, moi moved to legalise opposition parties
and dismissed some members of his government accused of
corruption.

last month, moi scheduled multi-party elections for dec. 29,
while senior aides argued that his government had met the
conditions laid out by the donors for an end to the aid freeze.

but many analysts here have criticised preparations for the
elections, arguing that they strongly favour moi's party, the
kenya african national union (kanu).

in announcing the new credit thursday, the bank did not mention
the previous suspension or whether it had been lifted.

no one answered telephone calls to the bank's africa division
after the announcement of the credit was faxed to reporters'
offices late in the day. (end/ips/jl/yjc/92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Ran( Homosex in Mombaasa....)
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:34:43 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene)

In article <938@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, pmmst8+@pitt (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>>You didn't answer my question.  Machela says he's Zulu and gay, you say
>>he isn't.  Why should I believe you?

>I did answer your question.

You said it was the "same reason" regarding Dahmer and cannibalism.
You didn't tell us what the reason was.

>			     Yes this Machela is a homosexual Zulu, and this
>fact is irrelevant. That is his buisness.

I agree that it's his business.  I don't agree that it's irrelevant.

>					   The fact I was trying to communic
>ate to you is that this man acquired his contrary attitudes from his associ
>ates. Furthermore, the Zulus like all other Africans, abhor h/sexuality. 
>and don't indulge in it.

This isn't an African thing.  Most Americans, Europeans, Australians and
so on abhor homosexuality.  It's only in the last several decades that
"gay liberation" has brought it out in the open in the West.  Of course,
there were times in the deep past when it was considered perfectly normal
and even encouraged.

>			  The fact that he is such does not mean that the 
>Zulus indulge in h/sex. This reflects on the (european ) people whom he
>acquired this habit from, and not the Zulu from he would not have acquired
>it had remain only their custody. Did you read my posting on the Swahili?

Yes.  But where the homosexuality comes from originally is not relevant,
and regarding which I have no opinion.  The question was whether or not
it is there.

Let me just reiterate, that in the context of HIV, it is irrelevant, and
I for one was never claiming that whatever African homosexuality there is
--including Swahili, Zulu, male prostitutes for the tourists--had anything
to do with it.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american,alt.rap-gdead
From: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Subject: Re: request for info on Haile Salassie, Ethiopia in the 50s
Reply-To: wattsww@ntmtv.UUCP (Warren Watts)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:16:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.151817.16981@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> folasade@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Paul Anthony Browm) writes:
>In article pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>>
>>H.I.M. Haile Selassie I, aka Ras Tafari, emperor of Ethiopia, a two
>>thousand year old empire, the only African nation to have resisted
>>Colonization. Check the library, you'll find lots of info, all well
>>worth reading.
>
>	Hey, I don't mean to be rude on this, but weren't the Ethiopians
>conquered by the Italians earlier this century?
>
>-A Poor questioning soul

And France was conquered by Germany earlier this century, but neither
France or Ethiopa was colonized.

Peace,
	   Warren Watts
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african