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From: iann@tcom.stc.co.uk (Ian Newman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Re: APLI
Date: 6 Apr 92 07:56:46 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

In article <1992Apr1.181713.4438@newshost.anu.edu.au> cmf851@huxley.anu.edu.au (Albert Langer) writes:
>In article <1992Apr1.090957.21878@tcom.stc.co.uk> iann@tcom.stc.co.uk 
>(Ian Newman) writes:
>
>>Also, is there a standard interface for interfacing to the Network Layer
>>(particularly CLNS)? If so, can anyone provide me with a list of its
>>primitives?
>
>For CLNS I imagine that N-UNITDATA.req and N-UNITDATA.ind should be
>pretty standard.
>
>Got any tougher questions? :-^)

Thanks for the reply, but, I was actually after the NAMES of the functional
primitives provided by a standard NLI (if one exists). For instance, the
AT&T TLI provides functions like t_connect, t_listen, t_accept etc. What
are the NLI equivalents?

Ian.



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From: skow@cs.utwente.nl (Jacek Skowronek)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: INFO NEEDED on standards activities
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:21:17 GMT
Reply-To: skow@cs.utwente.nl
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science


I was recently on the kick-off meeting of ANSI X3H7 committee on Object Information
Management. I would like to know what groups or committees are working on standards
within Europe. I mean object-oriented programming and databases. Could You point me
to the addresses of the people taking part in it ?

Jacek


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From: scoggin@daisy.udel.edu (John K Scoggin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Re: "Trouble Ticketing Systems"
Keywords: Trouble Tickets
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:54:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: udel.1992Apr12.155444.13763
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <jager.702140167@NewsServ> jager@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Riaan de Jager) writes:
>(Didn't quite know where to post this)
>
>A colleauge and I are planning on so called "Trouble Ticketing"
>systems as a research topic. Not much literature seems to be available
>on this subject. I will not go into trying any explanation here.
>
>We would appreciate any information regarding literature/research etc.
>
>Thanks!

There is a publically available TT system available via anonymous FTP from
ftp.uu.net in directory pub/hdms.  PostScript documentation is included...

	- John

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: sat@tridom.uucp (Stephen Thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Re: IP Encapsulation in CLNP (ISO 8473)
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:00:23 GMT
Reply-To: sat@tridom.uucp (Stephen Thomas)
Organization: AT&T Tridom; Marietta, Georgia

Actually, my original post was not purely academic. I do indeed need to
transport IP traffic across a network that only understands ISO. In fact,
I also need to be able to transport DECnet (phase IV), IPX, XNS, ... across
the same network.

AT&T Tridom provides satellite communications products and services using
VSAT technology. Our satellite network is based on routers that run CLNP at
the network level and proprietary, satellite-related data link protocols.

VSAT networks are usually economically justifiable only for customers with a 
lot of remote sites (hundreds, thousands, and more). Historically, therefore,
our data communications services have concentrated on SNA. Most organizations
with that many sites have, in the past, been true blue. (Yes, the functions
that cisco, etc. are bragging about -- routing SDLC traffic across a router-
based WAN -- we've been doing for years.)

We've now added support for LAN routing to our product line. Since we can't
make all of our nodes understand IP, DECnet, IPX, XNS, ..., we have to 
encapsulate these other protocols within CLNP. (To use IP as an example,
we could not even get a large enough address space to give all our nodes
IP addresses.)

Our current method for encapsulating these protocols is to use "well-known"
Transport selectors and the ISO connectionless transport protocol. I posted
my question orginally to find out if there were any other implementations that
solved the same problem in different ways. I was particularly hoping for
a response from DEC, since DEC has to have solved this problem with 
AdvantageNetworks (unless their TCP/IP support is still just vaporware). If
another vendor or product uses a different encapsulation, I would be interested
in exploring what it would take to make our products interoperate.  
Xref: sparky comp.protocols.iso:635 comp.text.sgml:540
From: jxr@thumper.bellcore.com (Jonathan Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso,comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: ODA information wanted
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:20:15 GMT
Organization: Bellcore

[Sorry if this gets posted multiple times.  My mailer's complaining &
I'm not sure of the status

I tried mailing directly to the author, but my system doesn't like his
address.  Sorry]

From: richardb@cognos.uucp (Richard Brosseau)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso,comp.std.internat,comp.text.sgml
Subject: ODA information wanted
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:32:39 GMT

> I'm looking for tow ODA related tools :

> - An ODA programmer toolkit. I remember reading about one available some
>  time ago. I think it was from CMU.

There was an ODA tool kit developed at CMU & made freely available for
use as part of the MIT X Distribution.  I believe that the tool kit was
not part of the latest X distribution.  But, I believe it is still
available from somewhere for free or a small fee.  I have cc'ed this
message to two of the other developers of this tool kit (I was also
one), who I believe can answer these questions.  I hope they will answer
directly to these newsgroups.

Complete documentation for this tool kit can (only) be found in the book

	Multi-media Document Translation: ODA & the EXPRES Project
	Jonathan Rosenberg, Mark Sherman, Ann Marks & Jaap Akkerhuis
	Springer-Verlag
	ISBN 0-387-97397-4
	ISSN 3-540-97397-4	

> - Any ASN.1 compilers. I know of at least one. Probably more are available.

I know of 2 such tools (there are undoubtedly more):

	- one in the ISODE package (known as PEPY, as I recall)
	- another one we are currently planning to use (I can't recall the details
	  bount this one.  I have cc'ed a colleague (Darren New) who has the
	  detailed info on this package

> Can anybody send me the names of companies that sell/give these?

Done.

> Please reply via e-mail, as my news system expires articles quickly.
> Thanks...

Ok.

> -- 
> Richard Brosseau - Cognos Incorporated  UUNET:uunet!cognos.uucp!richardb
> BITNET:ccs.carleton.ca!cognos.uucp!richardb

Jonathan Rosenberg
Director, Information Networks Research
Bellcore
Morristown, NJ
USA
From: jara@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Jara Kandhola)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: CMIP
Date: 30 Mar 92 17:38:47 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Birmingham, England

Does any one know of CMISE available for ISODE

Thanks 
Jara
From: mds@hpcndaw.CND.HP.COM (Mark Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Re: negative integers in ObjectIdentifierValue?
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:44:28 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Networks Division

>No, it never was the intent to allow the use of negative numbers within
>an ObjectIdentifierValue.  Note in ISO 8825 (1990), clause 22.2, it states
>that each subidentifier is an unsigned binary number.
>
>Bancroft Scott

So then, is there a defect in section 28.4 ??  Should 28.4 be limited to
a reference to an integer with a non-negative value ?

Mark Smith
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 13:07:36 EDT
From: Vincent M. Tkac (SR) <SR190504@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: ISDN

Greetings,

   I am looking for an up to date description of ISDN can anyone suggest
some books, articles or papers?

Thanks in advance,

Vincent M. Tkac
savince@macs.ysu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: peterd@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers)
Subject: Re: DFR for anonymous archives vs. FTAM
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:04:59 GMT

mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn) writes:

>At present nearly all public domain files in the netland are available
>with the FTP protocol. This is a widely used but not very comfortable
>solution.

There have been a number of relatively recent improvements, allowing FTP
servers to send informational messages concerning the contents of
directories, etc. For an example, here's an excerpt from the motd from
gatekeeper.dec.com:

>     Extended commands available via:
>        quote site exec COMMAND
>     Where COMMAND is one of:
>        index PATTERN   - to glance through our index (uses agrep).  example:
>                          ftp> quote site exec index emacs

For another example, an excerpt from a session with ftp.uu.net shows an
informational message for a directory:

    ftp> cd stone
    250-Files within this subtree are automatically mirrored from
    250-gate.fzi.de:/pub/OBST
    250-
    250 CWD command successful.

It should be simple to extend the site-specific commands to allow users
to request descriptions of files, etc. The problems I see are:

- keeping a lot of file descriptions up-to-date is a pain in the rear.
  A lot of times you just can't grab the readme file out of an archive;
  I'm not sure how many archive maintainers have time for much more than
  that.

- the user interface is atrocious - "quote site describe <file>" isn't a
  very intuitive way to get information on a file. A better FTP client
  would fix that.

Another solution would be to go with something like the Andrew File
System, so that you could examine files individually using native
operating-system operations, rather than being stuck within some
archive-browsing-specific application.

>What do you believe OSI has to offer as an alternative?

I know I'm going to inflame some of the OSI people out there, but I
would suggest: not a whole hell of a lot. FTAM doesn't give you anything
that FTP doesn't, except the ability to translate even more obsolete and
odd file formats that no one uses for archives, since usually files are
stored in some bundled, compressed form. It's likely that document
lookup systems, on the other hand, might not have enough
operating-system file support to handle the task. Finally, the
likelihood that FTAM will come into widespread usage as a remote
file-mounting system - ala NFS and AFS - is very low. In a perfect world
it would be even lower.

>[lots of good ideas for archive-browsing deleted]

You might try getting a copy of ftpd and hacking some of your
ideas into it. Combine it with a client user interface that hides
the "quote site" incantation from users, and see what people think... 

				Peter Desnoyers
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From: ag129@cl.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Who's in the ISODE Consortium?
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:24:00 GMT
Reply-To: ag129@cl.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK


The ISODE Consortium is now a month old - anyone got a list of current
members or soon-to-be-members?  Especially major systems and hardware
vendors: IBM, DEC, Microsoft etc.
Xref: sparky comp.protocols.iso:634 comp.text.sgml:539
From: jxr@thumper.bellcore.com (Jonathan Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso,comp.text.sgml
Subject: Re: ODA information wanted
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:14:19 GMT
Organization: Bellcore

From: richardb@cognos.uucp (Richard Brosseau)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso,comp.std.internat,comp.text.sgml
Subject: ODA information wanted
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:32:39 GMT

> I'm looking for tow ODA related tools :

> - An ODA programmer toolkit. I remember reading about one available some
>  time ago. I think it was from CMU.

There was an ODA tool kit developed at CMU & made freely available for
use as part of the MIT X Distribution.  I believe that the tool kit was
not part of the latest X distribution.  But, I believe it is still
available from somewhere for free or a small fee.  I have cc'ed this
message to two of the other developers of this tool kit (I was also
one), who I believe can answer these questions.  I hope they will answer
directly to these newsgroups.

Complete documentation for this tool kit can (only) be found in the book

	Multi-media Document Translation: ODA & the EXPRES Project
	Jonathan Rosenberg, Mark Sherman, Ann Marks & Jaap Akkerhuis
	Springer-Verlag
	ISBN 0-387-97397-4
	ISSN 3-540-97397-4	

> - Any ASN.1 compilers. I know of at least one. Probably more are available.

I know of 2 such tools (there are undoubtedly more):

	- one in the ISODE package (known as PEPY, as I recall)
	- another one we are currently planning to use (I can't recall the details
	  bount this one.  I have cc'ed a colleague (Darren New) who has the
	  detailed info on this package

> Can anybody send me the names of companies that sell/give these?

Done.

> Please reply via e-mail, as my news system expires articles quickly.
> Thanks...

Ok.

> -- 
> Richard Brosseau - Cognos Incorporated  UUNET:uunet!cognos.uucp!richardb
> BITNET:ccs.carleton.ca!cognos.uucp!richardb

Jonathan Rosenberg
Director, Information Networks Research
Bellcore
Morristown, NJ
USA
From: hta@boheme.er.sintef.no (Harald Tveit Alvestrand)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Re: Getting ISO/CCITT documents off the NET?
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:52:38 GMT
Reply-To: harald.alvestrand@delab.sintef.no
Distribution: comp
Organization: SINTEF DELAB, Norway

Someone should start a FAQ for this newsgroup....
here is the piece from the comp.protocols.iso.X400 FAQ:


4) Where can I FTP the X.400 standards?
=======================================

Officially, you can't.
The OSI community has a large number of organizations that derive
revenue from *selling* copies of these standards.

The CCITT, not being funded in that way, made an experiment in which
they made all the CCITT documents available for anonymous FTP, but
that experiment will terminate on December 31, 1991, to be replaced by a
service run out of the ITU offices in Geneva at some later date.

The net result is that there are a lot of electronic copies out there,
but it is not legal to make them available for anonymous FTP after
December 31, 1991.

Note: This applies ONLY to the CCITT documents; ISO standards have
never been put on the network.


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From: abrown@seqp4.uucp (Alex Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Re: Getting ISO/CCITT documents off the NET?
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:37:16 GMT
	<1992Apr8.125449.29732@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
Organization: Sequoia Systems, Inc. Marlboro MA, USA
In-reply-to: mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de's message of 8 Apr 92 12:54:49 GMT


As one who has personally had to pay for access to these documents I
strongly support any form of free availability of ISO protocol
standards on the net.  The lack of such distribution is one of the
most serious impediments to real acceptance of the model as well as
the stack.  The damage already done by European publication and highly
profitable private US distribution may be irremediable, but it's still
well worth a try.  There should at least be a non-profit US source for
the paper documents -- such as the UN Bookshop in New York, which
provides CCITT documents at cost.

The response to Malamud's "experiment" must be significant enough to
deserve a response.  Why haven't we heard from Geneva in this news
group??

(BTW, email distribution from Geneva is not an acceptable substitute
for FTPable text at a US site.)

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From: jason@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Jason Kitchen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Re: Who's in the ISODE Consortium?
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:49:36 GMT
Organization: X-Tel Services Ltd.

You can get up-to-date information by ftp'ing to isode.com.
There are various documents there relating to the consortium.
In the press release of March 13, 1992, the following are listed
as organisations that have so far committed to joining
as founder members:

BNR Europe Ltd.
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisations (CSIRO)
Electricite de France, Direction des Etudes et Recherches (EDF / DER)
Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation (MCC)
NASA
Performance Systems International (PSI)
SURFnet
SWITCH
University College London
University of Michigan
X-Tel Services Ltd

There may be others but I don't have an updated list at the moment.

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Public domain software?
From: srghgcp@grace.dsir.govt.nz
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:08:11 +1200
Organization: DSIR, Gracefield, New Zealand

ISO software for a PC platform?

I'm sorry if this question has been done to death......I haven't been reading
this group very regularly.

I'm looking for cheap (prefer PD) software to experiment with OSI on a PC
platform. Something like NCSA's software for TCP would be great.

All I want initially is terminal style connectivity and file transfer. Since
I'm probably going to get sick of that rather quickly...I'd also like to know 
about 'quality' (ie expensive?) packages. Since I'm new to ISO, support, in 
form of good documentation would be nice.

thank you in advance



Geoff Peck
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From: baos@caip.rutgers.edu (Bancroft Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Re: negative integers in ObjectIdentifierValue?
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:34:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

mds@hpcndaw.CND.HP.COM (Mark Smith) writes:

>While I'm sure this was not the intent, it appears that negative integers
>are valid within an ObjectIdentifierValue.
...
>Has the intent always been to allow the use of negative integers?

No, it never was the intent to allow the use of negative numbers within
an ObjectIdentifierValue.  Note in ISO 8825 (1990), clause 22.2, it states 
that each subidentifier is an unsigned binary number.

Bancroft Scott
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
From: mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn)
Subject: CCITT docs soon over the net again?
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen, Germany
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:15:24 GMT

I crosspost this, because it might be interessting for readers of this group:

hrs1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (herman.r.silbiger) writes:

>> Also, why was the standards FTP "project" shut down? Seems rather regressive.

>The project was an experiment to gauge the demand for such a service.  
>It was privately funded, and the materials in the database were not 
>"authorative".

>The ITU computer department is well advanced on a e-mail based document 
>database and retrieval system.  I saw a demo last week in Geneva.

>Questions still to be answered are who may have access and under what 
>conditions, and the copyright problem.  I have no information on dates.

>Herman Silbiger

Let's hope, it will be free ... :-)

Markus

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From: stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso
Subject: Real-Time Protocol
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:17:23 GMT
Organization: State Univ. of New York at Buffalo, Dept. of ECE

Hi, my freinds:

   Is there anyone who works on Real-Time Protocol ( the transmission delay
is limited )?
   If yes, would you send me email?

- Steve Tsai