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From: HUGO@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Tony Dziepak)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Helmet Law Wars
Date: 20 Dec 1992 13:44:25 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I don't buy the insurance premium cost argument for supporting
mandatory helmet laws.  Wearing a helmet does not prevent accidents.
And if one does have an accident, I think most of the expenses might
come from broken bones, damaged organs, injuries that a bike helmet
cannot prevent.

In fact, wearing a helmet might actually INCREASE medical costs
because medical services would be rendered to a person who would
otherwise have died instantly from head trauma.  (You don't bother
to cast the broken bones of a dead person.)

But I do support CHILD helmet laws on the grounds that children are
too young to make fully-informed decisions about the risks involved.
.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: crwg2707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (R. Wagner)
Subject: Re: Same Geometry as Klein Attitude?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:53:31 GMT

mattc@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Matt Courtois) writes:

>In <1992Dec12.235234.1@vax.sonoma.edu> vannuysd@vax.sonoma.edu writes:

>>I once got to ride a 20" Klein Attitude mountain bike and it fit me like
>>a glove.  My problem is I can't afford a Klein.  Anybody know if 
>>there is another brand/model(s) out there that have the same geometry
>>as the Kline Attitude but at a lower price?

>  The Klein Rascal has the same geometry and lengths as the
>  Attitude.  I belive the price for a frame set is under $800.

>Matt.
The Rascal, Attitude, and Adroit all have the same geonetry according to 
Klein.  The big difference is tube wall thickness.  The Adroit (frame=$2049)
sounds suspiciously like a beer can when "thumped" with a finger.  It is
incredibly light though.  The Rascal frame sells for $749 according to
the Klein msrp and an XT equipped bike goes for $1675 as opposed to an XT
Attitude for $2075.  As for less expensive bikes than that, I can't help
but the numbers for a 20" Attitude are:
top tube-59.4 cm
top tube angle-8.0 degrees
seat tube angle-72.5
head tube angle-71
fork rake-1.5
shain stay length-16.65"
bb height-11.9
wheel base-41.6"
stand over height-29.4"

This is from a 1992 Klein brochure.  If you can match these numbers, you 
should have your fit.


Ride on, 
Raydude.

"Ray, a man unburdened by the rigors of coherent thought." 
          -a Brannonism quoted by George Heinz
"And the worms ate into his brain." -PF The Wall.

ps I just got a Rascal (thanks Phil) and love it! Good luck.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: DIY composite frames?
From: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet)
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:30:00 GMT
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

How feasible is it for someone (me) to built a carbon fibre/kevlar frame? I was
talking to a guy i know who has been building for a couple of years, mainly in
aluminium, but is now beginining to work in carbon. He says it's pretty mucg
like fibreglassing, and that the simplest way of making a carbon frame would be
to procure some tubes and assemble them into a frame with a jig, file the ends
so they fitted flush, and `bandage' them up with carbon fibre cloth, give it a
few coats of epoxy, and Bob's yer uncle.

Even something relatively ambitious, like maybe a Kestel type 2 piece
monocoque, doesn't sound beyond the realms of possibility.

Assuming this is all as straightforwards as my friend says it is, I assume
problems would arise in attatching dropouts, putting in BB shells and headset
cups, etc. What about `braze ons' (what else can you call them? :-)

Can't be *that* hard, surely. Otherwise, how come Gary pearson's still in work?

Opinions, please!

Rabbi

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: CMSC28@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Mark Hickey)
Subject: Dear Santa
Organization: Motorola
Date: 18 Dec 1992 11:43:02 CST

Dear Santa,

I've been a good boy this year.  I haven't dented any BMWs lately,
and usually say "on your left" when I'm passing someone (everyone).
I even wave at cars when they let me live.

What I want for Christmas is a bunch of real neat bike stuff.  I
would like a titanium frame (56 cm, please), you pick the color.
I would also like the neat shifty things that go on the front of
the brake levers.  Some clicky pedals and some wheels with three
or four spokes would be nice.  You should probably bring 24 inch
wheels, cuz my chimney isn't very wide.

If you can't swing the bike, how about a set of "Dave Harvey" legs?
If I had those, I wouldn't need all the good stuff.  I'd just knock
the rust off my Schwinn Varsity and kick some butt.

I left you a couple powerbars and a glass of Cytomax in the kitchen.

P.S. My big brother says you aren't real, but I don't believe him.
He said the same thing about Dave Harvey.

P.S.S. Have a great Christmas break, everyone!

Mark(on the way to the woods of New Joizey, look out Dirt Dawgz)Hickey
From: bil@jetson.Eng.Sun.COM (William Shannon(temp))
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: I think you mind find this funny
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:09:33 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bil@jetson.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: jetson

	Yeah, when all the registered cycles are confiscated as being to dangerous
 to allow regular people to use only the "outlaw" cyclists will still have machines.
		"Just say NO to registeration",
			BIL

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau)
Subject: Cyclist hit by car in Victoria B.C. Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:35:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

I was wondering if anyone in the Victoria/Vamcouver area had any
more information regarding this accident.  What I have found out
is that the cyclist (Tony Theriault) was hit from behind by a car
when he was training between Victoria and Sydney.  He suffered a
major concussion (was unconscious for 4-5 days and is still going
in and out of consciousness), suffered 8 broken ribs and
subsequently punctured a lung, and has also suffered a broken
vertebra in his lumbar region (L5) and thus has some spinal cord
damage.  What I need to know is exactly when this happened (I
talked to him 2 weeks ago), and whether the driver was charged
(he supposedly admitted guilt for hitting Tony).  This is a very
good friend of mine, and is a very good triathlete (top Canadian
in Hawaii Ironman in 1991).  Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Shane Esau
spesau@acs.ucalagry.ca


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau)
Subject: Re: Cyclist hit by car in Victoria B.C. Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 21:37:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <92Dec14.213532.29627@acs.ucalgary.ca> spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone in the Victoria/Vamcouver area had any
>more information regarding this accident.  What I have found out
>is that the cyclist (Tony Theriault) was hit from behind by a car
>when he was training between Victoria and Sydney.  He suffered a
>major concussion (was unconscious for 4-5 days and is still going
>in and out of consciousness), suffered 8 broken ribs and
>subsequently punctured a lung, and has also suffered a broken
>vertebra in his lumbar region (L5) and thus has some spinal cord
>damage.  What I need to know is exactly when this happened (I
>talked to him 2 weeks ago), and whether the driver was charged
>(he supposedly admitted guilt for hitting Tony).  This is a very
>good friend of mine, and is a very good triathlete (top Canadian
>in Hawaii Ironman in 1991).  Any help would be greatly
>appreciated.
>
I also forgot to say that he has been transferred to Shaugnessy
(sp?) hospital in Vancouver.  Does anyone know what this hospital
is like, and also, do you have the address for it so I know when
I come out to see him.

Thanks
Shane


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Subject: Re: Identification(was: A friend went down)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:32:50 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Dec19.231801.13452@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> seligman@CS.Stanford.EDU (Scott Seligman) writes:


>I write all the important information on a piece of paper.  To protect
>the paper from my sweat, I do a poor man's lamination job by covering
>it with Scotch tape.  It stays in my pocket when I ride.


 I write important info on a piece of masking tape and stick it inside my
helmet. I wonder if anyone would think to look there though?

-- 
*******************************************************************
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Brooklyn NY usa                                Design & Consultation
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: crs5@quads.uchicago.edu (charles robert stone jr)
Subject: Re: DAZER ultrasonic dog repeller?
Reply-To: crs5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:13:07 GMT

>In article <1992Dec19.031537.14185@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mike@drseus.jsc.nasa.gov (Mike Ross) writes:
>>Some time ago someone posted about a device called a DAZER, which could
>>ultrasonically drive dogs away.  Has anyone ever tried this device?  It
>>supposedly sells for $30.  I'd love to have a panic button that I could
>>press when I suddenly realize a dobie has selected my tender calf as a fun
>>diversion.  
>
>>I tried emailing the original poster, but got no response.  
>
Try capstun. It is also called Punch. It is made out of hot pepper
extract, and it will drop any dog. It causes no long-term injury
either, unless they get hit by a car. Better them than you, though.
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Using a Shimano Xt freewheel with a Suntour XC Pro Derailleur
Keywords: Shimano and Suntour, Shifting, Gears
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:58:25 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek

In article <1992Dec17.064926.22202@colorado.edu> apuzzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Tony Apuzzo) writes:
>In article <ellis.724543496@gurney> ellis@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Shawn Ellis) writes:
>>
>>	I've got a worn out Suntour freewheel.  I would like to
>>replace it with a better freewheel.  I've heard stories of running a 
>>Shimano Xt freewheel with a Suntour Derailleur.  Does anybody have any
>>experience with doing this?  Does it work ok?  Does the chain skip or
>>miss cogs? Thanks!
>>
>>	Shawn Ellis
>>	ellis@cs.umn.edu
>
>Along those same lines, how about a Sachs or Mavic or ??? with a
>MicroDrive Deraileur?  I am sick and tired of breaking MicroDrive
>cogs.  I'm looking for a reasonably tough, smooth 32 spoke hub
>(Comparable to XC-Pro or XT) that will take a seven speed 12-26 or
>12-28 freewheel or cassette with SunTour spacing.

SunTour admitted to having problems with the early run(s) of their
MicroDrive cogs.  Your dealer should be able to get replacements,
or you can call SunTour's tech line at 800-782-9253 and they should
be able to help you out.

For '93 SunTour will be introducing freewheels and cassettes with
symmetrical spacing.  Their goal is to be "compatible" with Shimano
and Campagnolo.  Whether they'll change their derailleurs and/or
shift levers remains to be seen.

>	Tony


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:54:54 -0500 
From: Bill_Chiles@transarc.com
Subject: Harper's Ferry Trail Info ?

Anyone know of any public trails near Harper's Ferry or Charles Town WVA?
If you could describe how to get to them, that would be great.  I'm looking
for serious riding, not the C&O Canal Trail -- no offense intended, I meant
"serious" as opposed to "casual".  My father recently bought a house down
there, and I'd like to do some riding whenever I visit.

Thanks,
Bill
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: James Peters <peters@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: transporting a bike
Originator: peters@mikey.convex.com
Reply-To: peters@convex.COM (James Peters)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:53:04 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <92Dec9.102622edt.326@smoke.cs.toronto.edu> javier@cs.toronto.edu (Javier Pinto) writes:
>
>I know this issue comes up every once in a while, however, it is not
>listed in the FAQ. Therefore, here I go:
>
>I am travelling to Austin, Texas for a few (5) days in January. Ideally, I
>would have a bicycle to ride around town, tour the Austin area, etc.
>However, I was told by American Airlines and United Airlines that I would
>have to pay CAN$53 plus US$10 dollars for a box *each way*, and that they
>were not responsible for any damages. Isn't it totally crazy? 
>
>Questions: Is there an airline that would have nicer policies towards
>cyclists? 

americans policy for bikes is that it is excessive baggage and the charge
is $45 one way. my experience with american and toting my bike is that
most ticket counter personnel do not know what to do when you show up with
your two-wheel transit. if you take your bike to the ticket counter to
check in there is usually 50% chance that they will take your bike without
charging you. my most recent experience involved pre-paying the charge
which basically shows up as a $90 credit which american should debit at
check in. if you check your bags curb side with the skycaps they usually
look at the paperwork and just check the bike without the debit. a $10
tip helps speed things along and you don't have to lug the bike to the
ticket counter. fyi i possess a nashbar padded bike bag which is good
except for the shoulder strap.

someone suggested breaking your bike down and carrying it on. i believe
in being kinder and gentler in most things but if i saw someone pulling
this stunt i would be moved to violence. the point being that carry on
luggage is a bane to all who travel on an airplane. if you want to play
with the bike pay to have it stowed with the cargo.

some airlines allow free transit of bikes to members of tri-fed but the
problem with this is that you have to book your flights through the tri-
fed travel agency. what restrictions and the costs associated with doing
so are unknown to me, i book my flights via amex business travel and fly
american exclusively. 

you can use ups to do the shipping. usually taking your bike to a bike store
which will disassemble, pack and ship your bike to your final destination.
the cost of doing this runs about $45 round trip but you have a bit of lead
time involved in shipping it out.

>Alternatively, is it possible to rent a decent road bike somewhere in
>Austin? 

i do not have an opinion on austin bike stores, but you may be able to
borrow a bike from someone at ut while they are on holiday break.

regards,
james, peters@convex.com
From: ce422@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (R. Atlas)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Request for suggestions: Hawaii
Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:01:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Greetings! Looks as if I'll be able to arrange a stopover in 
Hawaii en route to New Zealand, where I plan to cycle for six
weeks. I'd like to spend a few days, but I'm daunted by the
prospect of high prices and oceans of tourists. Any suggestions
for out-of-the-way places to visit, roads to cycle, and lodgings
that are, by Hawaii standards, inexpensive? (I'll be taking my
bike, but otherwise traveling light -- no camping gear.)

Replies to ChaosKid@smith.smith.edu will be warmly appreciated.

Thank you! -- Raphael
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:05:35 +1300
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <casseres-141292110944@missmolly.apple.com>, casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
> 
> I do not believe that a 20 psi increase over normal pressure can cause a
> tire to explode, especially since elsewhere in your post you advise
> inflating tires to just under the recommended pressure.  I have heard that
> tire manufacturers usually expect a tire to stay on the rim and in one
> piece at up to *twice* the recommended pressure.
> 
> I use tires rated for 120 psi, and I always pump them to 130 psi.  Every
> year I spend 6 days at the end of August riding in the Mojave Desert and
> the Owens Valley, with my tires exposed to direct sunlight all day long
> (there is no shade).  On these rides I am in the company of dozens of other
> riders.  The only tire problems I have ever had on these rides are
> punctures from sharp objects, and the same applies to the other people I
> ride with.
> 
> Pump your tires to *at least* the recommended pressure, and don't worry
> about solar heating.
> 
> --
> 
> David Casseres

It is true though that bike tyres that are pumped up hard then left in the hot
sun for a while will explode.  On sunny afternoons after races I've often heard
the odd explosion as someone decides to tell the world how they didn't deflate
their tyres a bit after racing.

While riding though,  I don't think it's a problem.  And I've known of trackies
getting their tyres 50psi over the prescribed limit when doing track work.

Personally,  I find the combination of good tyres with Mr Tuffys,  pumped up
*really* hard,  works pretty darn well.

Jonathan,
Uni of Waikato.

From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Sender: Jpunix@urchin.fidonet.org
From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:54:50 GMT

I have been using the same set of Continental Grand Prix's, 700X25 on my
RB-1 since July and have not had a single flat.  The Illinois country roads I 
ride on are pretty clean but I think alot their longevity has to do with
the width of the tire.  They ride really well too, pretty close to a sewup
in road feel.
-Terry
From: jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:59:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Do Kevlar tires work?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

Jonathan Dodd writes:

> It is true though that bike tyres that are pumped up hard then
> left in the hot sun for a while will explode.  On sunny afternoons
> after races I've often heard the odd explosion as someone decides
> to tell the world how they didn't deflate their tyres a bit after
> racing.

Kevlar schmevlar.  All this space aged material and bullet
proof-ness.  The Kevlar beaded tire was a great advance for the
spare tire user but it isn't what it appears to be.  Neither the
steel bead or Kevlar bead tires stay on the rim at high pressure by
the strength of the strands in the bead.  Kevlar bead tires often
carry a warning that they are to be used only with hooked bead rims.
Although they can be used at moderate pressure on straight sided
rims, it is not safe to do so.  Both kinds of tires require a hooked
bead for high pressure use.  Of course the steel bead tires are
safer in this respect.

Because I have seen steel bead tires blow off the rim because they
were mounted with the tube under the bead, I became aware that the
steel is not adequate to hold elevated pressure.  I demonstrated how
much the clinch holds by cutting the wires in a clincher bead in
five equally spaced locations on one side of a worn out tire before
mounting it on an MA-2 Mavic rim.  It stayed on the rim at 100 psi
but because cords were cut by the wire cutting procedure, the tire
casing tore at higher pressure to cause a blowout.  The tire did not
separate from the rim.

K-tires, as Avocet calls them, have a Kevlar/rayon mixed belt under
the tread to reduce glass penetration.  This belt cannot stop thorns
that go through Kevlar like a sewing needle through an undershirt.
The belt is not pure Kevlar because Kevlar has several undesirable
characteristics, among which are high rolling resistance and poor
weather resistance.  That is to say, under moist conditions, it
becomes brittle.  Since tires are porous, Kevlar in time, loses its
miracle strength.  If you want to see how porous a tire is, the next
time you get a slow leak check the wheel in soapy water.  When you
remover the tire from the water you will see what appears to be
shaving cream develop on the tread.  Smooth tire demonstrate this
the best.

For most riders, Kevlar belted tires have little if any benefit
other than moral support.  There is little data showing that typical
flats would be prevented by these tires.  It is about as reliable as
testimonials by riders who claim their smooth tires hold more poorly
on wet streets.  It is a preconceived notion and such riders often
fulfill the prophesy by putting on the brakes just when they think
they are about to fall.  With Kevlar belts, statistics might show a
trend although I doubt it because the amount of Kevlar is purposely
kept low in these tires to give good rolling performance.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.racing
From: crick@lenti.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: Message from Wayzata
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:09:51 GMT

In article <30.1992.LID@lemond.harvey.com> dharvey@lemond.harvey.com (Dave "Hill" Harvey) writes:
>I clipped some of your posts to show him during our recent get-together.
>Let me say that he didn't seem to be anymore impressed with you guys than
>I am. He's got a good sense of humor, by the way. He said the only hills
>you guys could climb without walking would be considered Whore's Category
>over in Europe. We also agreed that Winning magazine would be garbage
>until they get their racing reports out in, like, the same year.
>
>    - Dave
>ZZ

  Say Dave, as I recall you were at the back of the pack, sucking air in
at one end and expelling it from the other.  By the way, we missed you
afterward, y'know, dinner at Greg's restaurant....  you know the name.
                                     
Ed
From: kc@core.rose.hp.com (Kurt Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: A friend went down
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:23:15 GMT
Organization: HP, Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

| As someone noted, Dale died of his injuries. 

Sorry to hear this.  We lost an HP employee here in October.  Like Dale, he
was cycling to work about 7AM.  It was near dawn but still fairly dark.  He
was not wearing a helmet or lighting.

Apparently, he was preparing to go from the right shoulder across two lanes
of traffic into the left turn lane leading into the entry gate.  This is a
very high speed, wide open road with a small shoulder.  The cyclist
apparently just turned into traffic.  I don't believe anyone was cited.
Visibility and/or cyclist judgement error was probably the culprit - 
he should have had lights and reflective gear.

Every time I ride in over that patch of road I think about that accident.
As a result, my commute bike is now lit up like a Christmas tree - two
Vista taillights, a 6W headlight, helmet reflectors, adhesive reflectors on
my rack, wheels, and cranks, and pedal reflectors.

Cycling is DEFINITELY the most dangerous thing I do, and I suspect the same
goes for most of us.  While we don't think of a simple commute as "living
on the edge", accidents such as this may behoove us to.

---

Ride safe!

Kurt Chan

       Hewlett-Packard, Information Networks Div   Ph: 916-785-5621  
       8000 Foothills Blvd, MS R5NF               Fax: 916-785-2875  
       Roseville, CA 95747-6588          email: kc@core.rose.hp.com