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From: sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com (Dave Kolb)
Subject: Thread signalling and ERROR_INTERRUPT (shades of OS2 1.3)
Originator: sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:57:07 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


Is there any concept of the OS/2 ERROR_INTERRUPT return code for
Windows NT WIN32 calls made into a blocking system call by a thread?

I.E. After GUI ^C msg, can the GUI thread signal a worker thread
blocked in a system call and have the system call return some such
interrupt return code so that worker thread can perhaps decide upon
some other action rather than waiting forever.

If not, how can you "wake up" a thread in a multi-threaded application
that happens to be blocked in a system call such as a Windows SOCKET
or 3270 HLLAPI call?  Blowing away the thread is not an option.
Nor can a list of semaphores be waited on instead.

IBM screwed this up in OS/2 2.0!  You used to be able to do a
DosFlagProcess(flaga/b) and wake up the primary thread in OS/2 1.3
anyway.  Not general for all threads but you could at least wake up
from blocked system calls in the main thread if you got tired of
waiting and then cleanup or do something else.

Does anyone else percieve a need for this sort of mechanism?

It's kind of messy stuff but useful to HLLAPI and TCP/IP to help
field a ^C interrupt when tired of waiting.  The GUI thread would
set a flag or something and then signal the worker thread who would
get the ERROR_INTERRUPT, check the flag, run a requester window
or just cleanup things.

How else can you deal with blocked worker threads?

Microsoft - what's your philosophy here?  IBM says under OS/2 2.0
you should just kill the hung thread from the main process and there
doesn't seem to be much left to the ERROR_INTERRUPT concept.

Thanks for ideas,

-- 
Dave Kolb                     Opinions are mine not SAS'
SAS Institute, Inc.           EMAIL:      sasdxk@unx.sas.com
SAS Campus Drive - J206       Phone:      (919) 677-8000 x6827
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: paschall@utdallas.edu (Dwayne Paschall)
Subject: Re: Problems loading Word for Windows 2 under NT
Reply-To: $USER@utdallas.edu
Organization: The University of Texas at Dallas
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:12:46 GMT

I got Word for Windows 2.0 running under NT last night. (BTW, has anyone else been 
confused by the acronym for Word for Windows and the new Windows for Workgroups yet?)
I simply read my previously installed version off of my tape archive into a new WFW 
directory. It seemed to run OK. Although I haven't tested it to the fullest, things 
seem pretty stable so far. Granted this doesn't address your question regarding 
the WFW install program. However, if you have a tape backup somewhere, perhaps this 
would be a viable work-around.

Best wishes,
Dwayne Paschall
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From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: What's your favorite hardware for Windows NT?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 10:38:39 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu
Summary: Recommendations solicited.

-*----
I am in the process of selecting a system on which I wish to run
Windows NT (and perhaps SVR4 later).  If you have pertinent
information, I would welcome your experiences, recommendations,
and cautions.  I will summarize e-mailed responses in a future
post to the net.  The three systems on my short list are:

   Zeos 486/33 VESA Local Bus

	The DX2/66 is listed on the October compatibility list,
	and so I suspect the 33 Mhz version will also work.  
	Their SCSI adaptor is not currently supported, so I 
	would purchase this elsewhere.

   Ariel 486/33 VESA Local Bus

	This is also on the October compatibility list, *but*
	Ariel standardly packages this with an ATI Ultra Pro 
	card which we know is *not* supported.  Their sales rep.
	is currently looking into alternative video cards.

   Gateway 2000 486/33V

	The 486/33C is listed on the compatibility list and I
	suspect the local bus version will work if one chooses
	their usual video card rather than the ATI Ultra Pro.

None of the dealers have any experience with NT that I can
detect.  Is there a dealer that can speak to customers
informatively about this? 

I am interested in recommendations of any other system from one
who has installed Windows NT on it.  When I purchase, I plan
*not* to buy DOS and Windows 3.1, since I figure Windows NT
supercedes these and I would just as soon never deal with DOS. 

Thanks in advance for all responses,

Russell
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: saswta@terrapin.unx.sas.com (Bill Arnette)
Subject: Installing DOS after Windows NT
Originator: saswta@terrapin.unx.sas.com
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:19:32 GMT
Organization: The Village


Somehow, my C:\BOOTSECT.DOS got corrupted and I am now unable to boot DOS from
Flexboot.  Can I re-install DOS without having to re-install Windows NT?
-- 
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SAS Campus Drive, Cary, NC 27513  (919)677-8123(fax)  | ...!mcnc!sas!saswta
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: jstall@ih-nxt05.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Evan Stall)
Subject: Will Windows NT run for me?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:28:18 GMT
Keywords: NT windows setup

Hi,
  I have been interested in Windows NT for the last year, and would like  
to run it on my machine.  What I have is:
486 DX-50
8 megs RAM
Diamond Stealth with 1 meg

I am also interested in running Borland C++ 3.1 (Windows Version) on this.
I have access to CD-ROM drives.  How long will it take to install the base  
operating system (No developement tools) and how much hard drive space  
will it take?

Thanks for any response-
Jeff Stall
jstall@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: trevorl@ise.canberra.edu.au (Trevor Lawrence)
Subject: Testing RPC apps
Reply-To: trevorl@ise.canberra.edu.au
Organization: Info. Sci. and Eng., University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 05:45:36 GMT

If I'm developing an RPC app, I need to start the current test version of the
server side of the app on a remote machine while I run the client
side on my machine. How do I start the server side on the remote
machine from my machine?

(Please indicate if the answer is different between the July pre-rel
and the October beta, as Microsoft Australia hasn't got around to
distributing October betas yet (at least mine anyway))
From: potts@oit.itd.umich.edu (Paul Potts)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: S3 support in NT Beta
Date: 6 Nov 1992 14:44:35 GMT
Organization: Instructional Technology Laboratory, University of Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: helen.oit.itd.umich.edu

In article <1992Oct27.192432.21504@quintus.com> david@quintus.com (David Connelly) writes:
>
>Has anyone had any luck in getting the NT beta to support a Diamond Stealth
>card with an 8514 or similar interlaced monitor?  It seems that no matter
>what video mode I select during setup, the monitor timings are not matched
>to the 8514. 
>
I have NT running on my machine with a Diamond Stealth VRAM card with 1 meg.
My monitor is a NEC 4FG, and I'm able to get it to sync fine at VGA,
SuperVGA, and 1024x768 resolution. I don't know what to suggest re: the
8514 monitor. I know the Stealth card uses some proprietary timings; maybe
the generic S3 driver can't support them at the speed necessary?

I've noticed a certain amount of jerkiness in the mouse movement with my
Stealth card when running a couple of apps. If I open up the performance
monitor and watch system interrupts, it seems like they are continuously
pegged up at the top of the range. Maybe there is a problem with the Stealth
card and S3 drivers that causes it to interrupt excessively?


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From: thg@cam-orl.co.uk (Tim Glauert)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: TrueType problems
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:38:04 GMT
Organization: Olivetti Research Ltd, Cambridge, England.

In the October Beta, none of the listed TrueType fonts seem to work. The fonts
setup in the Control Panel can't preview them etc. Have I done something
wrong or is this a known problem? Is there a fix?
From: mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:12:14 GMT
Subject: Re: October Release - some problems
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32

> Well, I found a halfway solution to this problem.  After booting NT, go
> into the control panel and select "drivers".  Add the Creative Labs
> Soundblaster driver.  After selecting an appropriate port address (e.g.,
> 220 hex), and an IRQ (e.g., 5), press (Done/Ok).  You will get an error
> saying that this hardware is not installed on your system - ignore it.
> The driver still gets installed.  Now exit Windows NT and boot DOS (but
> not Windows 3.1).  This will initialize the MediaVision Soundcard -
> assuming you are loading the mvsound.sys driver in CONFIG.SYS.  Now
> reboot Windows NT, and voila!  - the soundcard will work!

As I stated earlier, this solution does work, but unfortunately you
can't run any of the MediaVision tools (e.g., mixer, Promixer, pocket
mixer, pocket recorder) to control the soundcard.  If you do try to run
one of these tools, NT detects a dynamic link error, and halts until you
use Ctrl-Alt-Enter to get to a menu where you can kill the offending
task.

Does anyone know of a way to control the MediaVision ProAudio 16
soundcard when it's emulating the SoundBlaster?  Being able to control
the volume would be helpful.  Also, has anyone discovered a way to
properly initialize the MediaVision soundcard for use with NT, other
than booting DOS first?

Thanx.

Michael Bishop
Hewlett-Packard Company / User Interface Technology Division
Internet: mike-b@fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: carty@ists.ists.ca (Ed Carty)
Subject: Dialog instance data...
Organization: Institute for Space and Terrestrial Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:17:16 GMT


9 Nov. 1992

Anyone walked this road before...

I'd like to encapsulate instance data with a modeless dialog.  I'm creating
the dialog with CreateDialogParam(), passing initialization data via the
lParam.

I'm using the standard 'message-cracker' dialog methods, modified as per the
standard 'message-cracker' window methods, allocating an instance data
structure on creation, which I'd like to attach to each instance of the 
dialog window.

In <windows.h> there are several interesting things;

/* cbWndExtra bytes needed by dialog manager for dialog classes */
#define DLGWINDOWEXTRA  30

/* Get/SetWindowWord/Long offsets for use with WC_DIALOG windows */
#define DWL_MSGRESULT   0
#define DWL_DLGPROC     4
#define DWL_USER        8

It seems that the dialog window procedure get 30 extra bytes, with offsets
for the return long, the dialog procedure and something called DWL_USER.  I
assumed that I could use DWL_USER to attach the pointer to my instance data
structure, but this causes 'GDI: HFONT not deleted' warnings.  It seems
like windows is using this location...

I ain't got the guts to muck around with the remaining 18 of the 30 extra
bytes.  Also, we're writing a commercial app., and can't risk 'undocumented
windows' tricks.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Ed Carty
carty@ists.ists.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
Subject: Re: When will MS 32 bit Windows and NT systems be released?
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:27:52 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1dsinlINN19l@neuro.usc.edu> merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes:
>I understand these two products have been available in a huge semi-public
>beta distribution for quite some time. 

The Win32 SDK for Windows NT is 100% publicly available to anyone

>When will the initial officially
>supported public distribution be made available for general release?

Spring of next year, '93.

>Does anyone know the planned contents of the final public general release?

The product will contain the operating system, networking, the ability to run
Win16, MS-Dos, POSIX.1 & OS/2 16-bit char-based apps - and most importantly new
"Win32" 32-bit Windows apps

>What is the mechanism for protection against piracy of the operating system?

There is no copy-protection

>What is the viability of the NT system for support real time high bandwidth
>(several audio channel) laboratory data collection/process control systems?

It is viable, and has several "real-time" priority levels documented
in the October "beta" release which will be suitable for instrument
control

>I understand the application developer's kit is available via 800 telephone.
>Is the device driver developer's kit also available via the same mechanism?

Yes - the ph# is 800-227-4679 for both

>What kind of CD ROM should I add to my system to support Windows NT?  I have
>a 386DX-33/387, 8MB/64K, 400MB, ATI Graphics Vantage||Prodesigner II ET-4000,
>Adaptec 1542b, 5.25" FD, 1SER/1PAR, Archive Viper 150i system.

There is a large list of hardware - too large to quote. A quality PC-Clone
with SCSI connected CD-ROM is a safe bet. The tested hardware list is
included in the SDK. This hardware list was posted to this group a couple
of weeks ago

-- Alistair
From: ebrown@bud_light.kodak.com (Eric Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Getting DOS TCP/IP software to work with NT
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:17:48 GMT
Reply-To: ebrown@tap.kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company
In-reply-to: ushomirs@spot.Colorado.EDU's message of 5 Nov 92 03:11:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.031150.12271@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> ushomirs@spot.Colorado.EDU (USHOMIRSKIY GRIGORIY) writes:

   I remeber reading here that Win NT's network drivers are similar to NDIS.  In
   this case it seems to be easy to get any dos TCP/IP software that uses packet
   drivers or NDIS to work with NT.  Since the above programs rely on a packet
   driver (or NDIS driver) to communicate with the ethernet board and if NT 
   does provide NDIS services to DOS VDM's then it probably would not mind
   the program (say QVT/NET or an X server) to write to the packet driver.
   There is a program called dis_pkt that is supposed to provide a packet driver
   interface to an NDIS driver, so QVT/NET should work (it just needs a packet
   driver).  

   Is this just a lot of wishful thinking or has anyone tried it?
   I don't have any NDIS software and am having trouble tracking down dis_pkt
   (my archie client is having problems) so I haven't tried this yet.

   It would be interesting to know what kind of network services does NT 
   provide to programs in a DOS VDM or Win-16 sybsystem?

   Greg.

I was under the impression that Microsoft and a couple other vendors
(Sun and FTP Software notably) had come up with the Windows Socket
specification and that that was to be the new TCP/IP standard interface
rather than packet drivers. NT does support WinSock and I have written
programs using WinSock for NT. I believe the WinSock specification is
available for ftp from uunet (though I'm not positive).

I was suprised not to see WinSock bundled with Windows for Workgroups
though I hear MS may release it in early 1993.

If NT plans to support packet programs via this dis_pkt, I'd be very
interested in knowing more. I never heard of 'dis_pkt' before.

Eric.

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From: shahriar@victoria.island.COM ()
Subject: Setting Up Net for NT!!!
Originator: shahriar@victoria
Organization: Island Graphics, Marin County, California
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:31:23 GMT

Hi NT gurus:
	I am new in the world of microsoft.  I have problem setting up tcp/ip
	networking for our only 486 running NT beta. I have a SMC Elite16
	(8013EPC) with following configuration:
	BASE I/O=300  IRQ=10 RAM add= 0xCC00
	After installing the board and connecting the cable I booted the NT.
	I used the Network control panel to setup the adaptor and install the
	network software. Then I did the binding (TCP/IP-->stream...). I did
	not know what to do with Domain, so I left it alone.  Then I configured
	TCP/IP.  Assigned IP address and domain name.  Again I did not know
	what to do with Scope ID, so did not touch it. Then I opened the host
	file in system\drivers\etc\ and added three lines to the file. One for
	the PC, one for my Sun, and one for our Sun gateway.
	Then I reboot the machine and opened the Service control panel. While
	trying to start Nbt I got "Error 1068: The dependency service or
	group failed to start".  Then I tried to start TCP/IP and I got
	"Error 0002: They system can not find the file specified". I tried
	pinging the PC from my Sun, no answer from PC.
	After two days I give up.  I have real work to do.  Any help would be
	appreciated.

	Thanks

	shahriar vaghar
	island graphics corp.
	tel: 415-472-5317 ext 252
	email: shahriar@island.com

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: mconca@boi.hp.com (Mike_Conca)
Subject: Re: DLC Transport and Driver
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:22:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Dave Kolb (sasdxk@skyhawk.unx.sas.com) wrote:
: 
: When I go to control panel/advanced/configure software to setup TCP/IP,
: one of the "network sotware" choices is "DLC transport and drivers".
: 
: I guess I know what it is in general but who needs it as it was not
: already selected.  Does TCP/IP need it?  Initially, all that was setup
: was:

For those that don't already know, DLC is an implementation of the IEEE
802.2 protocol stack (aka LLC).  It is widely used in IBM environments.

Who needs it?  Well, TCP/IP doesn't.  Neither does NetBEUI or Netbios.
It is used by applications that speak 802.2.  These are largely terminal
emulators that talk to IBM mainframes.

It is also used by Hewlett-Packard's JetDirect card (that's the network
card you plug into the back of your LaserJet so you can hook it directly
to the network).  The software that talks to the JetDirect card ships on the 
Windows NT CD-ROM (as of the October Beta) and requires the DLC transport.

							-Mike
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    Disclaimer:  Any opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of 
                 Hewlett-Packard.
From: potts@oit.itd.umich.edu (Paul Potts)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Does Borland plan to support NT on non-X86 archtectures?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:24:13 GMT
Organization: Instructional Technology Laboratory, University of Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: helen.oit.itd.umich.edu

In article <CFORTIER.92Nov12144428@genghis.news> cfortier@genghis.news (Chris Fortier) writes:
>
>Borland has committed to supporting Windows NT.  Below is a very early(June
>time frame) PUBLICLY AVAILABLE press release.

This is for a 32-bit compiler. I haven't heard anyone indicating that Borland
and Microsoft are working together to get the current release (C++ 3.1 for
DOS) running under NT. It would be great to be able to use NT as my
development platform (with luck, no more reboots).

Any plans for this? (I suspect most of the work would be on Microsoft's
part getting EMS working properly on NT). 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: loftin@jayda.enet.dec.com (R. Lavon Loftin)
Subject: Unable to print enduser documentation (postscript) from CD 
Reply-To: loftin@jayda.enet.dec.com (R. Lavon Loftin)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Atlanta GA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:59:56 GMT


--
Hello,

I have been unable to print the enduser postscript docuemntation. Problems
include missing fonts: MSIcons, etc and embeded bitmaps. Does this 
documentation exist in printed form? Any other ideas?


---------------------------------

R. Lavon Loftin              
Digital Equipment Corporation
600 West Peachtree St, N.W.             
Atlanta, Ga 30308
(404) 853-5658
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: moncrg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Donald Moncreaff)
Subject: Oct. Install (DOS) free disk required?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:36:05 GMT

after skimming the installation guide, i see that 
installing from a DOS supported cd-rom is my only
option. now the requirements for winnt + sdk + 
page file add up to 90MB (is that 90*10^6 or 
90*2^20 bytes?) if one installs from dos, <additional>
disk space is required during the install process.

does anyone know how much additional space we are 
talking about? (i want to minimize the number of
applications i have to delete)

thanks,
g
From: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
Subject: Re: Help for Boot Manager Please
Date: 5 Nov 92 02:31:28 GMT
Reply-To: jim@jimmc.chi.il.us (Jim McNicholas)
Organization: Prime Time Productions Aurora, Illinois

TW.FY4@isumvs.iastate.edu (Timothy I Miller) writes:

> 
>      Could somebody please tell me how to set up NT on my system
> with OS/2 2.0's Boot Manager?  I have seen a little bit of talk on
> this, but seem to have missed the precise method of doing this.
>      This is my system's set-up:
> 
> C:   89M HD1, one large partition, FAT, DOS only.  Boot manager is
>               located on the last 1M
>      210M HD2, two partitions:
> D:      105M FAT, extended partition (NT will go here...)
> E:      105M HPFS, OS/2 2.0 resides here.
> 
>      Any help would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Timothy Miller
        Tim I have a question, this is not a flame but do you use
        your machine for anything other than OS's if so where are 
        your application, directories I've got about 110 meg of stuff
        here on my lowly drive and can't see buying a 210 meg drive just 
        to put NT and OS/2 on it without any apps.  Have I missed something
        Although I'm asking you this is a larger question for the net.  I
        don't understand an operating system that needs 100 meg to run!!!
        doesn't that seem awfully large amounts of files?



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Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: fn@junior.mathtok.polymtl.ca (Francois Normant)
Subject: Do I need drivers for an Adapter 1540b scsi adapter and Sony CDU-541 CD-ROM ?
Organization: Mathematiques Appliquees - Ecole Polytechnique - Montreal
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:24:57 GMT

The title says it all ! I am in the process of buying this hardware to work 
with the October beta release of WIN32 SDK. I guess that since this hardware is
supported, it doesn't require any additionnal drivers than those shipped with 
the SDK CD-ROM but I want to make sure.


Thanks for your help.


-- 
Francois Normant (francois_normant@mathappl.polymtl.ca)
Departement de Mathematiques Appliquees - Ecole Polytechnique
C.P. 6079 - succursale A
Montreal - Quebec - Canada - H3C 3A7
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.protocols.nfs