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Subject: Minnesota Division III Hoops
From: cmahler@gacvx1.gac.edu
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:58:48 -0600
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota
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Minnesota Division III Men's Hoops

I know no one asked for them, but here are the Minnesota Intercollegiate
Athletic Conference standings as of Saturday, January 23.  If anyone out there
wants to see standings as the season continues, let me know and I'll keep
posting them.

Carleton    9   2
St. John's  9   2
St. Thomas  8   3
Augsburg    7   4
St. Olaf    7   4
Gustavus    5   4
Bethel      4   7
Hamline     4   7
Concordia   3   8
St. Mary's  2   9
Macalester  1   9


Charlie Mahler
Gustavus Adolphus College
St. Peter, Minnesota  USA

cmahler@gacvx1.gac.edu
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The art of getting fouled. Re: tOSU 69 - IU 96
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:05:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1993Jan25.182144.19539@news.acns.nwu.edu> marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
>
>Indiana and other teams as good as Indiana master the art of drawing fouls.
>They are also very, very good at making it look like they are being fouled.

Are you sure of this?  Do you know that they do this at IU?  Have you 
attended any practices where Bobby is teaching players to look fouled? 
I do not mean these questions in a confrontational manner, but I have 
recently begun going to Arizona practices, and there has never been any 
mention of anything like this.
>
Ted


-- 
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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kansas #1??  not anymore
Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:51:53 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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In article <C1G0DF.HA3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom) writes:
>Is this true?  Long Beach St. over Kansas 64-49????  The 49'ers hold Kansas
>to one 49 points!!?  And Kansas was at home??   woof woof!!!!!
>
>IU #1, baby!!  North Carolina are a bunch of weenies.
>

Some people sure learn there lessons hard.
 
Beware the Woof Gods!


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Ohio State Summary
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:16:36 GMT

<U13409@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>D in the 1st half causing something like 3 45 second calls and a lot of bad
>forced shots by OSU.  They really let up in the 2nd, but managed to sit on
>a big lead most of the way trading baskets and hitting something like 10 of 10
>from the stripe at the end of the game.

it's this letup and inability to put even AVERAGE teams away at home
that will cause these overrated wolves to tumble in the tourney.
the "let up" syndrome better be addressed by pseudo-coach fisher
else they're due for more big10 losses.  hell, if the illini can play
with 8 up in annarbor, they can hang closer in Assembly.

>                                              Scott Roberts
>                                              u13409@uicvm.uic.edu
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                              GO BLUE!

damn - you are messing with the gods boy.  no one in champaign
wished anything other than death and gloom on fichigan back
from 85-89...good thing I'm not still there or I'd have to 
straighten you out.
go illini!

::j

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: National POTY
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:50:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.C1H2wo.I1K
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions

In article <cogar-260193084158@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil> cogar@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil (John R Cogar) writes:
>In article <2031@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, kdougan@lfpd1.DaytonOH.NCR.COM
>(Kelly Dougan) wrote:
>> 
>> Here's another good way to start a flame war.  I know it's only a little over
>> half way thru the season, but who's everyone's pick for national player of the
>> year?
>> 
>
>Calbert Chaney--Indiana  (sorry if I spelled his name wrong-he's great)

That's Cheaney, and as great as he is, my vote goes to Penny Hardaway.
Of course, everyone that will be mentioned in this thread (Cheaney, 
Hardaway, Mashburn, Webber, Hurley, etc.) will be a lottery pick and
a probable All-American first-teamer. (Say, didn't those five guys beat
the Dream Team once?)

>John R Cogar                 | Always expect the worst.
>cogar@mv5.nswc.navy.mil      | That way you won't be disappointed.
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John, you've been watching way too many John Hughes flicks lately, haven't
you?

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Back to back games
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:07:18 GMT

wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>I have seen a lot of talk of back to back games in the NCAA's.  When do
>these occur?  As far as I know, there are 2 rounds where there is 1 day
>off between games, and 1 round where there are 2 days between games.  Just
>a thought.  There is a big difference between having a day off and playing
>on consecutive days.

	You're right.  There are no back to back games in the NCAA tourney.
	When people are talking Back-to-Back(-to-Back, or even -to-Back if
	they get that far) games are in the conference tourneys.  There it's
	a true test of strength and stamina.

	Jazzy J

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From: devo@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Dan)
Subject: Re: Can IU go unbeaten?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:44:57 GMT

In article <1jkqvnINNr47@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
>
>Every other game or so, you hear Dickie Vitale commenting, "No one will ever
>go unbee-in in the Big 10 again."  Well, IU is an AMAZING 5-0 in Big 10
>play, with 13 (?) games to go.
>
>Boy, you know it's a WEAKBig-10 when IU dominates THIS much! ;-)
>
IU definately could go 18-0 or 17-1 and Michigan could go 17-1.

I have many doubts as to whether anyone else in the big 10 can even
compete with these teams when they have a bad game.  Overall, I think
the big 10 - IU/UMich are overrated.  The big 10 has 6 ranked teams.
This may be 2 by mid February as Ohio State, Minnesota, Michigan State,
Purdue, Iowa, Illinois and Wisconsin knock each other off.

How does this look for final standings:

17-1 IU, Michigan
9-9  The middle 7
1-17 Penn State and Northwestern ( actually they may several out of
     9-9 category).

How are they going to pick the NCAA lot???

Dan Vietor
Purdue University.
From: maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Comments on KU-Long Beach State game
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:10:17 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Having just set through the disastrous KU-Long Beach State game,
I have a question --

Who claims the f**king officials that came from the west coast to officiate
this game?

Yes, KU played like they all had lead weights in their pants (except Hancock
and Woodberry).  But the game would have not been quite so lopsided, I'm sure,
if the officiating had been decent.  Long Beach repeatedly traveled with the
ball, but it was not called.  They lost the ball backcourt, it was not called. 
They fouled KU players over and over again and it was not called.  Even when KU
TRIED to foul to stop the clock they almost had to deck the Long Beach State
player to get the foul called.

I never like it when KU is ranked #1, this always happens.  And I don't believe
that there is no team in the nation that could beat KU.

HOWEVER, when the officiating is so obviously lopsided,

IT MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM!!!!!!!!

Congrats to the 49ers, they played a tough game and deserved the win.
But it would have been nice if they could have won it under decent officiating.

My opinion, free, and worth every penny.

Kansas Mary
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Walton on 600 wins
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:21:39 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <30005@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>One rule that comes to my mind is the so-called "Lew Alcindor Rule," 
>which bans dunking the ball.  This rule came into effect during the 
>Lew Alcindor years, and, of course, this rule has something to do with 
>UCLA's advantage in having a 7'+ center in Lew Alcindor.

But it had nothing to do with Wooden or his dynasty at UCLA. It was changed
to prevent Alcindor from being too dominant(it did not work, its probably
why he came up with the skyhook), not to stop UCLA from winning national
championships.

There were no rule changes that stopped the UCLA dynasty and prevented any
other schools from starting a similar dynasty. What happened is called money,
specifically tv exposure, and more specifically ESPN.

WHy would a great player want to ride the bench at UCLA for 2 years when
he can start right away elsewhere and get national tv exposure so pro
scouts(not just the NBA is paying big money these days) can see him? Why
did UCLA start losing LA kids to schools like Syracuse in the early-mid
80s? SImple, when a kid from LA comes home from hoop practice, and turns
on ESPN, who is he going to see? At that time, it was the Big East just
about everyday on ESPN, and what 18 year old kid would not be impressed
with the site of huge crowds in the Carrier Dome? West Coast games are 
not on until 8 or 9 pm, so West Coast kids see much more East Coast 
basketball. 

Chris Webber could have gone to Duke and won a title last year, but they
could not promise him a starting spot, Michigan could, plus immediate
exposure, so he chose Michigan. It is tv, not the NCAA that is responsible
for the parity in college basketball today.




Russ Smith
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From: exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Re: Kansas Upset -- More upsetting to Boiler Fans
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:23:02 GMT

wstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes:

>Sorry fellow Purdue students about my lack of "school spirit", but until we get
>a real coach, Purdue Basketball will never be that good-> Glenn Robinson or no
>Glenn Robinson.

I gotta hand it to those boilers folks here...
at least there's (apparantly) one school in indiana
who knows when their hoops coach is a hot-headed schmuck.

::j


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From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: Can IU go unbeaten?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:55:05 GMT

In article <C1FvBv.5pD@inews.Intel.COM> smaher@ismdqa.intel.com (Steve Maher ~) writes:

[Deletions]>
>I saw the Indiana-OSU game and Indiana was impressive.  However, they were
>NOT more impressive than Kansas has been lately.  To say they are close and
>all clustered at the top is fair enough.  Remember, IU HAS lost 2 games: to 
>Kansas and Kentucky.  IU certainly does not deserve to be ranked above UNC,
>who would be undefeated if not for a shot at the buzzer by Michigan in Hawaii.
>
>As for KU-Michigan, they game was close until the final few minutes when
>Michigan hit their free-throws to pull away.  
>
So what's your point?
The IU-Kansas AND the IU-Kentucky games were close all the way to the end
DESPITE IU not hitting their free throws.  Does this mean IU or Kansas is
better?


>I think a main reason for the confusion at the top is how the different teams
>match up with each other.  Michigan, with Howard and Webber, is strong where 
>KU is weakest (although not 'weak') esp. with Ostertag out and the team still 
>adjusting for Ben Davis' departure.  However, KU matched up well with IU and
>did beat them.  In IU's win over Michigan, they showed how to stay with 
>Michigan inside.  Duke has some mystique over Michigan, although it would
>be interesting to see how a game between them would turn out today.  Certainly,
>a KU-Michigan or KU-IU game could turn out differently today than what it did
>last month.

I'd bet on Kansas over Michigan most days of the week, but KU-IU will always
be a close call, IMO.


RStimets



Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: UNC
Subject: Wahoos
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 13:00:27 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

Ok... can we finally stop all this talk about where UVa should be in
the polls, PLEASE? At last they finally ran against a true top 10
team and were handily defeated. Yes, I know they played dook,
but what's that really saying? They lost to the 3rd and 4th place 
teams in the conference (ok, not now, but let's face it, when all
is said and done, that's where GT and UVa will be) and otherwise 
have not played anyone.

Number one in the nation??? I can't believe this was even
considered, let alone actually suggested on the net. The first 
real team they played, they were crushed (30 points and pulling
away when the scrubs were put in). Maybe 15 or 16... but top
10, let's get real.

PS - Does Jeff Jones look like Al Gore's evil twin brother
or what?
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cherokee Parks is is WAAAAAAAAAAAY Overrated
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:52:16 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <C1I855.9tn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom) writes:
> Also, don't you all think that Ed O'Bannon is also very overrated?


 No - I don't. I also do not think Kidd is overrated. The problem is that
after you read 100 articles and hear reports about how incredible these
kids are you expect them to be almost supermen - the type that should
get 50 points, 20 rebounds, and 35 assists a game. O Bannon is playing
very well this season (you have to more or less ignore last season due
to the injury although he was solid at times then as well). He is clearly
one of the best on the floor no matter who he plays - I still think he
is effected by his leg but even so he shows speed and agility that few
other players can match. Look at Kidd - the guy does not look like a
flashy incredible player which is what I expected, instead he is just
very much under control and aware of the game situation at any time - that
makes him great (along with obvious passing skills and deceptive speed).
I think that if I had never heard about Jason Kidd I would have been 
amazed at his level of talent - but since I had heard that he was the second
coming I tended to feel that he was "good but not *that* good"...


			gln
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: K-Who?
Keywords: K-Who?  Tarheels #1
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:11:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <C1H3t7.Jzt@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>
>How soon we forget that Michigan also beat Kansas at that same tournament
>in which they nipped UNC.
>
>UNC     #1   one close loss to Mich.
>Cinci.  #2   one loss to IU at IU (when Van Exel was visibly hurting)
>IU      #3   close losses to Kansas & UK, beat Michigan in Ann Arbor
>Mich.   #4   close loss to IU at home, loss to Duke at Duke
>Kent.   #5   upset at Vandy, something else I'm forgetting
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What you're forgetting is that Kentucky hasn't lost to anybody else!
And that IU's close loss to Kentucky is, of course, a close win for UK.

UK belongs to a "one-loss" club with North Carolina, Cincinnati, and UNLV.

Since UK has already had its chance at #1, only to lose at (currently 
#12) Vanderbilt, the only other team which has played a really big-time 
schedule and has only one loss (close, and away from home) is North 
Carolina.

That any two-loss team, even a very talented two-loss team like Indiana,
can pretend to make a unique claim to being #1 is mind-boggling.  Kansas 
and Michigan can stake equal claims since all three teams have beaten up 
on each other.  This logic is too circular.

Should be Carolina #1, Kentucky #2, and you can argue all you want
about who is #3 since many teams could stake a reasonable claim.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: Wake shoots 75%
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:42:43 GMT

A game summary on a news wire said that Wake shot 21-28 from the
field in the first half.  Incredible.  No wonder the halftime score
was 49-21.  To those who saw the game:  how did they shoot 75%????
Were they simply sinking everything they shot, or did Tech just play
a crummy defense and give them lots of wide open shots?

 
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From: jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Louisville whips Arizona State
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:41:47 GMT
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <1993Jan26.002216.21339@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
>
>     Son, Arizona State did NOT give up:  They
>put on a clinic.  An SDDD clinic, masterfully done.
                      ^^^^

OK, I'll bite.  What kind of clinic?

GO CARDS!

Jim Carrasquer
jimcar@lmc.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: MVC Update -- 01/20/93
From: wallingf@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Eugene Wallingford )
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:16:31 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Michigan State University

>>Creighton 72, Southwest Missouri State 58:  The last-place Bears?  Yes,
>>     as uncommon as that may seem, SMSU is in the basement after this
>>     road loss.  
>
>Does this show how much Charlie Spoonhauer meant to the SMSU Bears?

     Spoonhour is doing a pretty good job in St. Louis this year, too.
     I haven't seen that much of Southwest Missouri this year, but
     from news reports it seems that the Bears were playing fairly
     well early on.  Since the MVC season started, though, their
     shooting has been horrible.  Coach Mark Bernsen is also faced
     with a more balanced set of conference foes this year.  Even the
     weaker teams have shown sparks at home -- note SIU's losses --
     and the middle-tier teams (Tulsa/Indiana State/Wichita State)
     have really improved.  The big surprise so far has to be Drake,
     with new coach Rudy Washington (ex-Iowa assistant) and new star
     Curt Smith leading the conference.

     But yeah, the loss of Spoonhour + SMSU's troubles is some
     positive evidence for Spoonhour's worth to the program.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Wisconsin beats Ohio State!!!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:42:26 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1993Jan20.214005.26234@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>Wisconsin   76
>Ohio State  67
>
   <nice game report deleted>

  Boy, what a show Michael Finley put on last night! One of the best one-man
  shows I've seen at a collge b-ball game since the days of Von McDade at
  UW-Milwaukee. Anyway, two top-25 wins in a row for the Badgers.  

  A typical UW team would now go out and lose three straight winnable road
  games. Let's see what happens...

  --salty

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From:  (EZB)
Subject: Ohio State vs. Indiana Prophecy
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:43:10 GMT



The OSU-Indiana game will be quite a battle, however, the Bucks will come
out on top.  The Buckeyes have one edge that will propell them to victory,
he is Greg Simpson, two-time Mr. Basketball of Ohio.  He is from Lima and
tomorrow will be his coming out party where he will score 35+ points!  This
may seem to be a bold prediction, but you cannot control Greg Simpson, you
can only contain him.  Bobby Knight will be on his knees praising the new
god of basketball!!!!!!!!