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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:24:28 -0500
Reply-To:     Dick Rose <am681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>
From:         Dick Rose <am681@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>
Subject:      ROSE Query
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu

Seeking information on:

Query:

ROSE, Nathan (my gggrandfather)
b. circa 1786
d. 25-Jun-1849 in Town of Onondaga, Onondaga County, NY,
m. Magdalen:
b. circa 1786 in New Jersey or Mass.
d. 12-May-1878 in Onondaga County, NY
Children:
   William, b. circa 1808 in NY
   Nathan Wheeler, b. circa 1818 in NY (my ggrandfather)
   d. 27-Oct-1905 in Syracuse, Onondaga County, NY
   m. 1. Amanda
   Children:
      Sarah A., b. circa 1845 in NY
      Samuel W., b. 31-Jan-1849 in Onondaga Co., NY
      Malcohm R., b. 5-Oct-1851 in Onondaga Co., NY
      Herbert B., b. 12-Jan-1857 in Onondaga Co., NY (my grandfather)
                  m. circa 1883, Bertha NEY
      Allen F., b. 30-Apr-1861 in Onondaga Co., NY
   m. 2. Sarah, B. circa 1829 in NY

Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Dick Rose...

--
Dick Rose, 4273 Grannis Rd., Fairview Park, OH 44126
Researching: ROSE / NEY / NOACK / KENYON / GREEN / THOMAS
From: mproctor@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Marilyn Proctor)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: President Andrew Johnson's Genealogy Question
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:06:07 GMT
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>In article <9301271519.AA00389@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
>              Co. 27-Jan-1993 0812" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM> writes:
>	A while back I posted a query on the net about the genealogy of
>	President Andrew Johnson. 

In article <DAOFFER.93Jan27101916@dewey.cc.utexas.edu> daoffer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Debora Offer) writes:
>I thought his name was Andrew *JACKSON*.  At least, that's what
>my $20 bill says.  The only President Johnson I can think of was
>Lyndon Baines Johnson.

Abraham Lincoln was shot one month after his second inaguration.
Andrew Johnson was his Vice President.  Johnson is the only president 
to be impeached by Congress, however, he was not removed from office.
Johnson served 4 years as president (1865-1869), and was suceeded by Grant.

Marilyn  mproctor@oasys.dt.navy.mil
-- 
Proctor: 1920,1830 DC/VA;     Horseman: DC/VA 1850s    Anderson VA 1740?-1860 
Speaker: 1850s-? MD/DC/Ger    Donaldson: 1785 VA;      Mills: VA (DC) 1796 1814
Shugart: 1820s-IN/IL 1740 VA;                          Nichols: IL 1870s
McMahon: 1830s DC/VA/PA/Ire   Frazier: OK/OH 1870's;   Curtis: OH (1870s)
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: BRYANT, NEWTON
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:28:41 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <01GTRUSB1IDCBG4KXI@ACC.FAU.EDU> SUAREZ@FAUVAX.BITNET writes:
>
>    Need information on Daniel Damon Bryant's parents.
>    He was born in Nov. 25, 1755 in East Hartford,
>    Conn., died on Aug. 27, 1805 in Thetford, Vt. He was a
>    revolutionary soldier, signed the war muster roll
>    of 1873 in Vt. His wife was Bethiah Newton,
>    need info on her parents also. She was born on
>    Aug. 17, 1765 in Colchester, died Sept. 25, 1852.
>    They were my children's ggggggrandparents.

Melvyl responds: here are some general Newton genealogy reviews...

6.
Author: Leonard, Ermina Elizabeth (Newton) Mrs., 1846-
Title:  Newton genealogy, genealogical, biographical, historical; being
a record of the descendants of Richard Newton of Sudbury and
Marlborough, Massachusetts 1638, with genealogies of families
descended from the immigrants, Rev. Roger Newton of Milford,
Connecticut, Thomas Newton of Fairfield, Connecticut, Matthew
Newton of Stonington, Connecticut, Newtons of Virginia,
Newtons near Boston. Comp. by Ermina Newton Leonard. De Pere,
Wis. B. A. Leonard, 1915.
Description:    viii, 872 p. 29 cm.

Subjects:       Newton family (Richard Newton, 1609?-1701.
Newton family.

Call numbers:   UCB     BancroftCS71 .N57 1915

12.
Author: Newton, Clair Alonzo, 1872-
Title:  History of the Newton families of colonial America : with
American history of family interest not obtainable elsewhere /
compiled by Clair Alonzo Newton. Napierville, Ill. : [s.n.],
1927-1949.
Description:    2 v. : ill., facsims., ports.

Series: Genealogy & local history ; G1597.

Doc Numbers:    Stock No.:      CL0086000008 University Microfilms
International

Notes:  Vol. 2 has title: Newton famlies [sic] of colonial Connecticut.
Includes indexes.
Microfiche. Ann Arbor, Mich. : University Microfilms
International, 1986. 6 microfiches ; 11 x 15 cm.

Subjects:       Newton family.
Newton, Thomas.

Other entries: Hughes, Kate.
Jackson, Edith.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   MICRO- FICHE G3 G1597


There are more books... BUT (sigh) not on the Newtons of North Carolina
or Georgia before 1820...
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From: stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer)
Subject: Re: SCANNING PHOTOGRAPHS
To: soc.roots
Posted-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 08: 57:53 CST
Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:57:53 GMT
Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 08: 57:54 CST

  Clarridge@ns asked a number of questions about scanners.  Since the 
posting was of some length, I'll just post my answers, hoping anyone interested
in the subject remembers the questions.
1) You are correct in wanting to scan the largest print available.  Unlike
video, the scanners have a resolution per INCH.  Thus, the more inches
scanned, the more data in the file and the better the resolution.

2) I have found only minor differences in what software I use to scan the
image, but MAJOR differences in what I do after initial scanning, particularly
printing.  Each program seems to use its own printer driver, and this makes
big differences in print quality.

3) File sizes are large.  Many image processing programs include compression,
although I have not tried to do much with them.  I expect to end up with many
floppies.  I store on 3.5 inch, as it looks to me like they may protect the
actual media a bit better.

4) although there are many graphics file standards, there are two main ones
in use now for your purposes; GIF and TIF.  I started saving in GIF, but have
switched now to TIFF (or TIF in msdos world).  GIF is the most popular format
for TRANSFERRING images, but for processing them, more of the software seems
to handle TIFF among their options.  I seem to have better results also on
some software with TIF.

I am also creating a database for all my scanned images, classifying them
by person, date, etc., and the disk the picture is stored on.  My rationale
for scanning old photos is, that while magnetic files may not last as  long
as archival washed B&W photos, I can make many generations of copies with
virtually no loss in quality.  I will set up a refresh cycle of about every
seven years for the magnetically stored images.  Be nice when someday I can
get a read-write laser disk!
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Reply-To:     Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
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From:         Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
Organization: RAND
Subject:      Re: Pest house & Typhus
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>..... starving in Berlin...


Good posting Fred! It is typical of starving children with inadequate
protein to have large, protruding stomachs -- but from starvation --
not from any thin soup that they might have had.

For someone short of everything, a pint of blood has a lot of goodies
in it -- red cells, iron (in the red cells), protein as albumin, and
probably other necessities -- we now know that there are more active
molecules than we ever suspected...

You are also right that genealogy breeds a respect for the past.. for
those who survived it.

 p q
 \|/
 /|\   TOM LINCOLN  lincoln@rand.org
 \|/  "Life is short, art is long, opportunity fugitive,
 /|\   experimenting dangerous, reasoning difficult."
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:29:59 -0800
Reply-To:     "David B. Combe" <dcombe@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
From:         "David B. Combe" <dcombe@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Post 1920 census availability
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I see that there is someway to reproduce earlier messages when responding
to them, but I don't know how.  This is in reponse to Mike Holland's note
about the 1930/1940 census.

This Census Bureau program is called AGE SEARCH.  It cannot be used for
genealogical research generally, but can be used for specific requests
such as for confirming age for elegibility for Social Security when no
birth certificate, etc., can be found, or to prove citizenship to obtain a
passport under similar circumstances.

This program is explained in the Commerce Department publication "Age
Search Information", Superintendent of Documents # C 3.2:Ag #/2.  Most
recent edition published in 1990 (I think).  Depository libraries
selecting Iten # 146 may have this publication.

General rule remains: census rolls are confidential for 72 years, ie: 1930
will become available in 2002.  Hope this helps.  PS: can someone explain
to me how to reproduce parts of earlier messages when responding?

Dave Combe
Documents Librarian
Ventura County Library (CA)
dcombe@eis.calstate.edu
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Lombardo,Lombardi,Hershberger
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:32:47 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <01GTUS6T8ZDE9GVG11@SNYBUFVA.BITNET> "John A. Lombardo" <LOMBARJA@SNYBUFVA.BITNET> writes:
>Has anyone done any work with the following names:
>LOMBARDO,LOMBARDI,HERSHBERGER? If so, please let me
>know. Thanks you......

Melvyl calls out: Two Hershbergers to go!


2.
Author: Miller, Jacob.
Title:  History of Gabriel Hershberger and his descendents, 1808-1968.
Compiled by Mr. and Mrs. Jacob Miller, Jr. [Medford, Wis.?
1968?]
Description:    286 p.

Subjects:       Hershberger family.

Other entries: Miller, Alma Schmucker.

Call numbers:   SRLF    A 0010780765 Type EXP SRLF for loan details.

1.
Title:  Kingdom, cross, and community : essays on Mennonite themes in
honor of Guy F. Hershberger / edited by John Richard
Burkholder and Calvin Redekop. Scottdale, Pa. : Herald Press,
1976.
Description:    323 p. ; 23 cm.

Notes:  Includes indexes.
"A bibliography of the writings of Guy F. Hershberger,
1922-1976, Elizabeth H. Bauman": p. [286]-300.
Bibliography: p. [307]-314.
Contents:       Schlabach, T. F. To focus a Mennonite vision.--Gross,
L. History and community in the thought of Guy F.
Hershberger.--Kreider, R. S. Discerning the times.--Lind, M.
C. Reflections on Biblical hermeneutics.--Kraus, C. N. Toward
a theology for the disciple community.--Bauman, H. E. Forms of
covenant community.--Burkholder, J. L. Nonresistance,
nonviolent resistance, and power.--Burkholder, L. J.
Nonresistance, nonviolent resistance, and power.--Burkholder,
J. R. A perspective on Mennonite ethics.--Juhnke, J. C.
Mennonites in militarist America.--Redekop, J. H. The state
and the free church.--Lapp, J. A. Civil religion is but Old
Establishment writ large.--LaRocque, E. The ethnic church and
the minority.--Smucker, D. E. Gelassenheit, entrepreneurs, and
remnants.--Peachen, P. The peace churches as ecumenical
witness.--Brown, D. W. The free church of the
future.--Hershberger, G. F. Our citizenship is in heaven.

Subjects:       Hershberger, Guy F. (Guy Franklin), 1896-
Mennonite Church -- Doctrines.
Christianity and culture.

Other entries: Hershberger, Guy F. (Guy Franklin), 1896-
Burkholder, John Richard, 1928-
Redekop, Calvin Wall, 1925-

Call numbers:   UCD     Main LibBX8109.K561

Tom
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From:         KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
Subject:      Re: The State of Franklin
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Jim Freed asked me:
>Rick, can you give the net a little history of the "pseudo-state of
>Franklin".  Seems like I heard of it years and years ago, but cannot
>recall anything about it.....  What was its boundaries and during what
>years did it "exist"?
>Thanks.
>Jim Freed

Well, I'm definitely no expert on this subject, but this is what I know:
In the years before Tennessee became a state, it was part of North Carolina.
The major "city" was Sevierville.  The inhabitants felt that they weren't
getting their fair share of recognition from the North Carolina state
government, so a convention was held at Sevierville (I think) to form a state
from that part of North Carolina which is now the eastern portion of
Tennessee.  The convention named the state as Franklin, after Benjamin
Franklin, but it was never recognized as an official state by either the US
Congress or by the state of North Carolina.

Eventually, the state of Tennessee was formed from all of western North
Carolina.

I don't know the boundaries of the "state", nor the year(s) in which it
existed.  Any historians with more info?

Thanks for the interest, Jim.

Rick Kitchen
kitchenrn@ssd0.laafb.af.mil
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From:         BONGIOVIRP@WORF.ME.VT.EDU
Subject:      Church Histories
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I was hoping someone could help me here.  I am currently working with the
records of a Trinity Lutheran Church, Howard's Grove, Sheboygan Co.,
Wisconsin.  My interest in this church is that one of my wife's
gggggrandfathers helped found this church in 1853.  These records have tons
of information on him and his decendents (the records are from 1853 to
approx. 1950).  Today, I stumbled across a genealog file that contained the
address for the library catalog at Univ of Wisc, Madison.  I found the
following entries there:

   TITLE   A century of grace, 1853-1953 : Trinity Ev. Luth. Congregation
           U.A.C., Sheboygan, Wis. -- (Sheboygan? Wis. : Diamond Print Co.?,
           1953)

LOCATION   Historical Society Library Pamphlet Collection
CALL NO.   74- 4063
  STATUS   Circulation Status not yet available online

  FORMAT   (47) p. : ill., port. ; 28 cm.

   NOTES   Written by the Pastor Karl Schulz?

and

   TITLE   Trinity Lutheran Church, Rt. 3, Sheboygan, Wis. : 125th
             anniversary, 1853-1978. -- (Oshkosh, Wis. : Jeffrey's of
             Wisconsin, 1978)

LOCATION   Historical Society Library Pamphlet Collection
CALL NO.   79- 448
  STATUS   Circulation Status not yet available online

  FORMAT   (20) p. : ill., ports. ; 28 cm.

   NOTES   Cover title


I would be very interested in obtaining a copy of these two manuscripts, not
so much for genealogical content, but to "flavor" my wife's family history.
The church records are on an LDS microfilm, and as a treat, I guess, the
last two frames are a two page history written in German for the church's
50th anniversary.  I have sent it to my sister to help translate, and she
has confirmed what the family bible said, that Ernst Wehrman helped found
the church in 1853, so these histories would add additional color to my
genealogy collection.

I am interested in any information in getting a copy.  As I am rushing to
finish my Masters Degree in Blacksburg, Va before Sept. when I enter the
Air Force and head off to Colo. then LAAFB, Calif, I will not have any time
to head up to Sheboygan, much less Madison.  Any help or ideas would be
appreciated.

Thanks!

Rob Bongiovi - Blacksburg, VA
Internet:  bongiovirp@vtme.me.vt.edu
  Bitnet:  bongiovirp@vtpooh

Researching:
FROMM(WI),  HAACK(WI),  HINZ(GER>WI),  KOEHLER(WI),  MEINNERT(WI),
STOCK(WI),  THIEL(WI),  WEHRMAN(GER>WI)
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Reply-To:     Dave Reynolds <dave_reynolds@PDXML1.MENTORG.COM>
From:         Dave Reynolds <dave_reynolds@PDXML1.MENTORG.COM>
Subject:      Re: 1930/1940 Census Informa
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

        Reply to:   RE>1930/1940 Census Informatio
>> While at the library last evening, I talked to the Librarian and
>> during our conversation discussed the availability of the 1920
>> census. She stated that information from both the 1930 and 1940
>> censuses was available for a fee of $15. She said that the forms
>> were available at the library but you needed to know exactly
>> where the person you were looking up lived at the time of the
>> census and you had to be a direct descendant of the person you
>> were inquiring about.

Due to privacy requirements, they will not release any information
about a particular person listed in the 1930 or later censuses, unless
you provide either proof of death, or a consent form signed by
that person.  I.e., to get a listing of an entire family, you need to
have either proofs of death, or consent forms for every person listed.
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Subject:      Re: Gaelic-L
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I'm sorry, I lost the message that was posted in roots-l in response to my
original posting, so I can't respond to you by name.

I will come forward and admit that, since I posted the warning to roots-l, I
have received private emails from two people who have suggested places for me
to look for more info.  I acknowledge that.  I will also acknowledge that
someone came to my defense on Gaelic-L itself (no, it wasn't me :-) ).  But
the person who responded here, doesn't know about the *other* private
postings I received taking me to task for daring to sully Gaelic-l with such
a question.

Maybe it was a bad day.

I'm not that worried.  It was just a shot.  I just thought others should be
warned.

Now, let's get back to genealogy.

Rick Kitchen
kitchenrn@ssd0.laafb.af.mil
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Subject:      Hallc1.cebaf.gov password

Can anyone provide me with a password that might work.  Thanks.
Dorothy Boyd-Rush
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From:         SLR2@CCDDCD1.EM.CDC.GOV
Subject:      Re: Pest house
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

This might help you regarding the epidemic disease or diseases of Haverhill,
Mass., in the late 1600's.

In 1701 Massachusetts passed laws for the isolation of smallpox patients and
ship quarantine, to be used whenever neccessary.  The difficulty with such
measures (isolation hospitals, quarantine facilities) was that no continuing
organization or even committee existed at the time to assure ready
recognition of undesirable situations or noncompliance with the requirements
that the legislation enacted.

Many early North American settlements and Native American communities were
completely obliterated by epidemic diseases, particularly smallpox.  Some
strong possibilities for the epidemic diseases that may have been present in
Haverhill, Mass, in the late 1600's are yellow fever, small pox, cholera,
typhoid, louse-borne typhus, louse-borne relapsing fever, diphtheria,
tuberculosis (antiquated name:  consumption), malaria, measles, influenza,
and scarlet fever.  During the 1600's, Bubonic plague periodically swept over
the European continent.  For example, in London in 1603 over 1/6 of the
population died from bubonic plague, in 1625 another 1/6, and in 1665 about
1/5 of the population in London.  FYI, yellow fever caused the abandonment of
Philadelphia as the US national capital.

I hope this is helpful.

Susan Arday
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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
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Subject: Re: Pest house
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:05:42 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:

>lence" which means, in short, plague.  "Pestilence" comes from Latin
>"pestis", meaning plague.  The English word "pest",

Medieval German also used the word from the Latin. Pest seems to be straight 
from the monks who wrote their stories in Latin.

fred
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Reply-To:     Dick Rose <am681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu>
From:         Dick Rose <am681@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>
Subject:      WHEELER Family
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Seeking information on the WHEELER family:

I am grasping for straws. Since I have a ggrandfather whose
middle name was Wheeler, I suspect that the mother of my Nathan
Wheeler ROSE, Magdalen, may have been a WHEELER. If any of you
match with the following please get in touch.

Query:

ROSE, Nathan (my gggrandfather)
b. circa 1786
d. 25-Jun-1849 in Town of Onondaga, Onondaga County, NY,
m. Magdalen:
b. circa 1786 in New Jersey or Mass.
d. 12-May-1878 in Onondaga County, NY
Children:
   William, b. circa 1808 in NY
   Nathan Wheeler, b. circa 1818 in NY (my ggrandfather)
   d. 27-Oct-1905 in Syracuse, Onondaga County, NY
   m. 1. Amanda
   Children:
      Sarah A., b. circa 1845 in NY
      Samuel W., b. 31-Jan-1849 in Onondaga Co., NY
      Malcohm R., b. 5-Oct-1851 in Onondaga Co., NY
      Herbert B., b. 12-Jan-1857 in Onondaga Co., NY (grandfather)
                  m. circa 1883, Bertha NEY
      Allen F., b. 30-Apr-1861 in Onondaga Co., NY
   m. 2. Sarah, B. circa 1829 in NY

Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Dick Rose...



--
Dick Rose, 4273 Grannis Rd., Fairview Park, OH 44126
Researching: ROSE / NEY / NOACK / KENYON / GREEN / THOMAS
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From:         KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
Subject:      Unusual names
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I read an Associated Press article in the Los Angeles Times this morning
about how some governments (in this case, France) try to control the names
that parents give to children.

In the article, an unnamed couple wanted to name their newborn daughter Marie
Marie Marie.  A lower court said that they couldn't do it, because "it does
not enrich the French heritage."

An upper court in La Rochelle overturned the ruling, but the article doesn't
say why.

The parents said they wanted to call the baby Marie Marie Marie because:
She weighed 3.33 kilos when born
Her head and chest measured 33 centimeters
She was 51 centimeters long (a multiple of three)
Her mother was 33 years old when the baby was born
When the baby was born, she was 'gironde' (plump), and the license plate
prefix for France's Gironde region is 33.

I hope the girl forgives them. :-)

Rick Kitchen
kitchenrn@ssd0.laafb.af.mil