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From: Ronald_W._Coleman@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:59:58 EST
Subject: Re: 7.1 on a Quadra

According to Apple's Readme File that comes with system 7.1, you are not
supposed to install system 7.1 with the "System Software for Macintosh Quadra
Products". It is A KNOWN BUG by Apple. You must install with the default
install options in order to get a good monitors control panel. (Yes I
installed it like you did at first). Reinstall with the Easy install and it
will vanish away!

Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: miracle@sctc.com (Barry Miracle)
Subject: Using Color Bitmaps for Icons
Organization: SCTC
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:00:34 GMT

I just got a Mac and I would like to use fom pictures from different
paint programs for icons.  How do I do it?

Barry Miracle
miracle@sctc.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: asunta@convex.csc.FI (Miika Asunta)
Subject: MacinTalk header files for C?
Organization: Sibelius Academy, Helsinki
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:10:53 GMT


Are there new object and header files for MacinTalk, if yes, where can
I find them?

I've converted some old MPW files with THINK's oconv, and written a
header file.

With a test program... (WHEE!!!)

It works fine except that it doesn't speak - and
the machine (MacPlus) makes a neat crash with weird screen
when SpeechOff -routine is called...

...Yes, I have the prototypes in the header file.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: schmidt@netcom.com (Margret B Schmidt)
Subject: Finder partition too small in 7.1?
Keywords: 7.1, Quicktime, PhotoCD, Finder, Memory
Organization: Coldwell Banker Residential Real Estate Services
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 11:40:05 GMT

	I'd like to thank the person who explained how to increase the
size of the Finder's memory partition in System 7.1 several weeks ago
(i.e. use ResEdit to edit the only SIZE resource in the Finder).
	I recently upgraded to System 7.1 and Quicktime 1.5 (to use
PhotoCD Access) and I experienced a number of mysterious out-of-memory
problems until I increased the Finder to 393216 bytes (which seems to
be much more than enough).  I had plenty of memory (8Mb IIcx or 12Mb
virtual on a 5Mb IIsi) and it took NOW Software's MemoryView tool to
clue me into the Finder's shortfall.  (I'm sure there are more
appropriate tools on the market, but that's the one I had.)  I found
the easiest way to demonstrate the problem was to fire up ResEdit 2.1
and attempt to use the "Get File/Folder Info" command to change of
file's creator.  ResEdit would die immediately (with the out-of-memory
error) until I increased the Finder's memory as described.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Using "FIND" for backup in System 7?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:40:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.045521.5664@news.media.mit.edu> minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky) writes:
>Someone suggested using the Finder's "Find" for making backups.  I can
>set it to "All at Once" and "file created after xxx".  Then all those
>files are highlighted -- but so are the folder names containing them.
>Anyone know a way to only select the files and not the folders?
>Otherwise the backups are too gross...
>
After getting the stuff you want, select "Find..." again. Search for all
whose "Kind" "does not contain" "folder". Before hitting "OK", go to the
pop-up menu and search "the selected items." Does this make sense?

I hope so.

Jay (=

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Subject: Re: System 7.1 Phone Number?
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 23:22:21 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <chapman-201292154838@stiles-42-kstar-node.net.yale.edu>,
chapman@sun.cis.ycc.yale.edu (Jonathan Chapman) wrote:
> 
> Anyone still have the phone number I need to call Apple and order 7.1? Is
> this still an option, or do I need to find a dealer? 


800-769-2775

Apgar@Apple.com   |   Eric Apgar  alias  Gar   |   I said it, NOT Apple.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: 32megs on a IIFX 32bit addressing?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 01:50:06 GMT

In article <wnkunzelm-141292112011@134.29.65.70> wnkunzelm@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Jeff Kunzelman) writes:
>
>I just installed a 32meg upgrade into a Mac IIfx. Total RAM is 36megs. When
>I 
>turn on 32 bit addressing certain programs crash when launched. Without
>32bit addressing the system suckes up 32megs. Anybody know a fix to solve
>this problem?

Sure... upgrade the programs. Most popular applications have been made
32-bit compatible since the release of System 7.

Jay (=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: phaedrus@halcyon.com (Mark Phaedrus)
Subject: Re: Duo's: Are Redundant Systems A Good Idea?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:44:07 GMT

In article <562@blue.cis.pitt.edu> nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello) writes:
>  Good news!  I've finally got my Duo 230!
>  Bad news!  I don't have a mini dock or disk drive yet!
>  As you can imagine, I'm *really* paranoid about crashing my system
>under these circumstances.  I have an idea in case I do, but am 
>not sure if it is safe.  Let me know what you think of the following. 
>  My day to day system is in folder A, a backup system is in folder B.
>I put A on my hard disk, I put B,in a folder, in a folder, on my hard
>disk.  When I start up the first system found is A, and if A is ok, the
>Duo never looks for B.  If A gets trashed, the Duo looks lower in the
>hierachy until if finds B, it boots, and I can repair A and restart. 

     Bad idea.  When you create a System Folder on a Macintosh disk, a little
Macintosh icon should appear on that folder in the Finder.  That Mac icon means
that that folder has become the "blessed folder".  Even if you have multiple
System Folders on the disk, only one will be the blessed folder; only one
will have that Mac icon.  At startup time, when the Mac is looking for a System
Folder to boot from, it doesn't rummage all over the disk looking for one.  
It goes to the blessed folder and uses the System there.  If that System Folder
is corrupted for some reason, the Mac doesn't care whether there are any other
System Folders on that disk or not; it goes and looks for another disk to boot
from instead.
     So, if you create multiple System Folders on your Duo's disk, you're
doing nothing to improve reliability in the event of System Folder corruption
(if your "blessed" System Folder dies, the fact that your other System Folder
is perfectly fine won't matter in the slightest), and you're introducing
reliability problems into your system (the system may decide to move the
"blessing" from one System Folder to another at any time, which can cause
software to become extremely confused).  You're probably _increasing_, not
decreasing, the risk of corrupting your Duo to the point that it no longer
boots.
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From: yuri@sanken.osaka-u.JUNET (Yuri A. Tijerino)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Snap-shots of pup-up menus? (help)
Date: 19 Dec 92 04:19:43 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: The Institute of Scientific and Industrial Research, Osaka Univ.

Hello my invisible friends,

Does anyone know how to take snap-shots of the screen under system 7
when a pop-up menu or a regular menu is active?  I have tried to do it
by using the command-shift-3 sequence, but it won't take the snap-shot
until the menu is not active anymore.  Does anyone have a suggestion?

Yuri Tijerino
Osaka University
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		Internet: yuri@ei.sanken.osaka-u.ac.jp
From: Josh.Goldstein@f947.n107.z1.ieee.org (Josh Goldstein)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: HELP: IIsi with SLOW hard drive
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:09:31 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/947 - NJMUG BBS, Clark NJ

yep, slow 80 megger and I don't even have autodoubler (the drive use to me 
faster)

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From: fran@pang.lbl.gov (Francis Pang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Help: Hayes Connect 3.0 vs AE/ShadowLan
Keywords: appletalk network connect shadowlan
Date: 15 Dec 92 23:51:05 GMT
Reply-To: fran@pang.lbl.gov (Francis Pang)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.140.142


    according to the appletalk user's guide
    it has scripts to support 
      Hayes SmartModem 2400
      Hayes Ultra 96
    and some other modems as well. However,
    both you mentioned are not listed there.
    If the modem does not come with scripts
    that required by the appletalk, you have
    to write it yourself which required a lot
    of work to do i guess.
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Anti-Virus software
Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:31:55 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


 Michael_J._Bell@fourd.com writes:
> [the Symantec PR indicates that there were only two major changes]
>   1) redesigned colorful 3d interface - pretty but useless
>   2) can optionally virus scan through compressed files - both .sit and .cpt
>
> ...and for this they wanted $30 to upgrade a $99 program!

	one would sometimes wish other companies were so honest
	(if indeed this is all that has changed - something which I can
	 neither confirm nor deny)...
	...furthermore, one should realize that, much more than for other
	"finished" programs, an anti-viral requires a much higher support
	commitment (thus cost) to keep hotshot programmers at the ready for
	the "next incident" !!

	"killed by success, maybe?" comes to mind - isn't it nicer to not see
	new viruses causing a monthly update?

	besides, you can use the freeware programs - so stop moaning and
	whining already!  I for one hate this kind of wasted band-width
	(and I am a rabbid consumer advocate, if you'll ever meet one!),
	but, gee, whereelse but a BBS would such an article come from...

	I guess I should build in a filter into my KILL-file for anything
	coming from a site identifying itself as a BBS - it seems most of
	the articles which p*ss me off, lately, come from that corner ...

( now WHERE is my Monday-morning COFFEE?!?.... ahhhh....  I feel better ;-)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: QuickTime 1.5 - unimplemented trap?
From: Rob Winters <rwinters@nhqvax.hq.nasa.gov>
Date: 11 Dec 92 13:13:12 +0600
Distribution: world
Organization: NASA Headquarters
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d13X-XXMessage-ID: <A74E4340B101FA65@rwinters.prc.hq.nasa.gov>X-XXDate: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:08:16 GMTLines: 21

I recentlt got ahold of JPEGView 1.1 and was trying to use it
to display JPEG images. Better than 4 out of 5 did not display
without errors (brightly colored rectangles and other scrambling).

Since JPEGView uses QT code to display the images (or so I
inferred from the ReadMe), I thought I'd upgrade from QuickTime
1.0 to 1.5 to see if it did a better job. I FTP'ed the extension from
Apple, replaced the 1.0 extension with the 1.5 extension, and booted.

The extension icon shows at boot time, but any call to QuickTime
results in a bomb with "unimplemented trap". This is 7.0.1 tuned
1.1.1 on a IIcx. I've tried it with and without Mode32 and 32-bit
addresssing (thinking it might require it).

What am I missing re: install method, pre-requisites, etc?
Any ideas? Sorry if this is a FAQ, but it's not on the FAQ.
E-mail solution appreciated, or post away & I'll come looking for it.

Thanks!

Rob - rwinters@nhqvax.hq.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: 32 bit addressing in 6.0.8
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:30:23 GMT

In article <PW.92Dec15165228@campeau.lucid.com> pw@campeau.lucid.com (Paul Wieneke) writes:
>How does one turn on 32-bit addressability in 6.0.8?  There is nothing on
>the control panel for this and I can't find any "memory" control-panel
>documents on any 6.0.8 system disks.

There is no Memory control Panel for 6.0.x to initiate 32-bit addressing.
You must use a 3rd-party utility--"Virtual" from Connectix is one, I
believe--to give you 32-bit addressing.

Jay (=
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: leonardr@netcom.com (Leonard Rosenthol)
Subject: Re: How many Bytes in a Kilobyte (The answer may surprise you.)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:20:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.140350.1@tesla.njit.edu> erh0362@tesla.njit.edu (Elliotte Rusty Harold) writes:
>
>    How many bytes are there in a kilobyte as reported by the Finder in 6.0.7? 
>Some simple tests revealed that my Finder thinks there are only about 1010 
>bytes per K.  For instance my FAX Manager folder is 304,262 bytes.  Finder's 
>Get Info reports that as 301K.  Disk Doubler's Savings command also reports 
>that as 301K or about 1010 bytes per kilobyte.  SpaceSaver's Magic Menu 
>correctly to my way of thinking reports that as 297K or 1024 bytes per kilobyte
>(rounded down by about 0.1K.)  Needless to say that different programs can't 
>agree on the number of bytes per kilobyte makes comparing the various file 
>compression utilities more difficult than it should be.  
>
	Another thing to keep in mind is should you be measuring the physical
size of files or the logical size of files?  Both are valid tests of compression
since the logical is actually how many bytes of data were saved, but physical
since the number of blocks saved is really the kicker.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: rajiv@athena.mit.edu (Rajiv A Manglani)
Subject: Re: WANTED: utility to kick users off a shared volume
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:43:08 GMT

In article <8089@lib.tmc.edu>, drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec11.142443.4999@Princeton.EDU> jdunning@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
|> (John Alan Dunning) writes:
|> >Are there any, preferably shareware, utilities which automatically 
|> >log users off an AppleShare volume after a certain amount of time?
|> 
|> I don't know of any shareware to do this, but Nok Nok will do it. It's

Just a bit of trivia: Nok Nok was originally written by the same guys who
wrote AppleShare 3.0. Apple decided not to include it in the package, or even
to sell it directly (no reason was given), and so they sold it to Trik.
The original version works with FileSharing on any System 7 mac, and the new
version Nok Nok Pro, works with AppleShare 3.0.

Rajiv
From: lhermens@eecs.wsu.edu (Leonard Hermens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: >MacTCP, current version???
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:13:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Dec18.211338.21554
Organization: Washington State University
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7577F081401411A@fury.eecs.wsu.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:13:44 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d15

In article <BzG5qp.ByK@iat.holonet.net> Elmars, elmars@orac.holonet.net
writes:
> The current version for MacTCP is 1.1.1. Apple refuses to make it
> available to users 

   you mean: "...for free"?

> and it can only be obtained from an authorized vendor.


-----
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From: fsullivn@vax1.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 7 on older SE & SE/30 & Classic??
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:46:23 GMT
Organization: Trinity College Dublin

In article <9212130405.AA01559@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>, STMQ%MARIST.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael Quigley) writes:
> Hi All,
> 
> Just a quick question.. I am considering purchasing an older Mac, maybe
> an SE/30 or a Classic.. Can System 7 be run on these machines??
> 
> - Mike -
> 
There's no problem running either 7.0 or 7.1 on anything from a Plus up
(including SE30 and Classics) so long as you have enough RAM.  Apple recommend
at least 2MB, but in reality you'll want at least 4Mb.  The SE30 is  a great
machine--certainly preferable not only to a Classic, but even to a Classic II
(lots of slots).  Even Pluses are fine, if occassionally prone to overheating,
although there is a _teeny_ problem with the keyboard drivers for non-ADB
machines which they never seem inclined to fix.

Apart from that, no problem.

Fergus Sullivan.
Trinity College, Dublin.
From: jackr@wpd.sgi.com (John "Jack" Repenning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Anti-Virus software
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:19:36
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dblues.wpd.sgi.com
In-reply-to: werner@cs.utexas.edu's message of 14 Dec 92 16:31:55 GMT

Werner Uhrig writes:

    Michael_J._Bell@fourd.com writes:
   > [the Symantec PR indicates that there were only two major changes]

	   one would sometimes wish other companies were so honest
	   (if indeed this is all that has changed - something which I can
	    neither confirm nor deny)...

Of course, if the behavior of other companies is any measure of the
behavior of Symantec, the update probably includes a lot of bug fixes
that they don't mention because it's embarassing to list your mistakes
- and often tiresome, since there are many.

Before I believed any update didn't included unmentioned bug fixes,
I'd have to get the whole programming team out for a night's drinking.
(Since I can't afford that, I never believe such a thing!;-)
From: macdevil@netlink.cts.com (Leonard Cayetano)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Baseline's Macintalk
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:26:52 GMT
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Baseline has given permission to release their version of Macintalk to 
the public.  I saw it up at GEnie and it could be available in one of the 
Mac FTP sites as we speak.
 
Leo.

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From: licht-jeffrey@cs.yale.edu (Jeffrey Licht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Can't throw away file even w/option key
Date: 13 Dec 1992 10:11:51 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: zoo-gw.cs.yale.edu

In article <724233643.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP> John.Seeger@p931.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (John Seeger) writes:
>  JB> Can't throw away file even w/option key held down. I deleted all text
>  JB> in it, locked and unlocked it, put and took out comments. Nada. Jeff.
>
>I had a very similar situation and it turned out when I looked the file info
>with ResEdit the file was marked open.  I was unable to unmark it open meaning

There's a very handy DA that I use called Developers Tools 2.2 for things like
this.  It's very good at closing and deleting files that other programs say
are open or locked.

I've briefly checked umich and sumex, and I can't find it anywhere.  If it
really isn't there and there's enough demand, I'll be glad to upload it.

Jeffrey Licht






Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: weil@hfglobe.intel.com (Garry A. Weil)
Subject: System errors using extensions
Summary: System errors: address error, unimplemented trap
Keywords: system 7 init scope tattle tale extension manager
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:02:45 GMT

I recently pulled some system extensions off the 'net'. When
I try to boot with these, I get system errors.

1. Tattle Tale installed: I get a error 'Sorry, a system error
	occurred. "EM Extension" unimplemented trap ...'
  What is going on here? Is there any thing I can do?

2. Init Scope installed: I get a error 'Sorry, a system error
	occurred. "Suitcase 2.1.2" address error ...'
   What is going on with this type of error? What can I do
   to solve this one?

My setup/configuration:
Mac SE, 4MB, 40MB Disk
System 7 with Tune-up

Garry
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Kanji 6.0.7.1, not 6.0.7 (Was Re: 6.08L location)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 00:58:40 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


 zinkin@acsu.buffalo.edu (David R Zinkin) writes:
|
|| I installed 6.0.7 on a Powerbook 100....  Worked fine 
|
> That makes sense, and yet my friend tried to use 6.0.7 on a PB 100
> and it wouldn't even boot successfully; there was a system crash.
> I wonder if he had defective disks...or did Apple ever revise the
> PB 100 ROMs?

	maybe it was a system which was created "not for all Macs" ?!?
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