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From: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jonathan Saari)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Weekends Games
Reply-To: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:28:57 GMT

In article 97928@netnews.upenn.edu, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> 
> New Orlens at SF: ARRRGGGHHHHH!!! Whahapponed??? 

The better team won...
 
> LA Rams at Dallas: The dubious Sports Illustrated curse bears its ugly head.
> Few weeks ago, Randall Cunningham's photo made the cover of S.I.  He's slipped
> into mediocrity since.  This week, the Dallas D donned the cover.  The result:
> the most disgraceful performance by the Dallas D to date this season.  Jim
> Everett looked like Roman Gabriel. Cleveland Gary looke like Dickerson.  The 
> Dallas D was nowhere to be found (Ken Norton made some real bonehead moves). 
> The Dallas O was their stud-ly self with Emmitt getting 80 yards on 19 carries
> and Irvin making those big plays.

I am getting real tired of NFC East fans looking to blame anything but their teams
for losses occurring outside the division. Being a Giant fan, Mr. Nair, you should
give credit where credit is due. The Cowboys played the Rams much tougher than the
Giants did!! Jim Everett looked like Roman Gabriel because he is a VERY GOOD QB who
is now receiving the proper coaching so that his talent is utilized correctly. Check
the QB rating statistics over the last 6 weeks in the NFL. You will see that JE is
in the top 2 or 3 in the entire NFL (after a lousy start). Cleveland Gary is 3rd 
or 4th in the NFL in rushing (ahead of Rodney Hampton), leads the Rams in receiving,
and is playing at Pro Bowl level. This team is not a SB contender (yet), but is one
of the most dangerous young (very young... defense averages 3.7 years experience)
teams in the entire NFL.

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From: chuck@mtechca.maintech.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFL ROSE BOWL?
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:26:33 PST
Organization: MAINTECH, A division of Volt Delta Resources,Inc. Orange, CA.

Looks like we're about to have the "Rose Bowl" played in NFL Football.
(But maybe not quite as good).  Elway's probably out so it will most
likely by Maddox vs. Marinovich (or Schraedovich) this Sunday.

In the USC/UCLA game today UCLA seems to have the upper hand.  Let's
hope this influences Maddox in the game Sunday.  The BRONCOS will beat
the "old timers" by at least 10 points!

GO BRONCOS....and to Hell with those who dwell on past Superbowls!
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC East (and the Cowboys)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:49:31 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <1992Nov16.182920.3317@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>, blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF) writes:
>Quick question:  Does anyone know the last time that all of the NFC
>East teams lost on the same weekend?  (No, I don't know, but I figured
>that if there's anyone in the US that does, they're probably reading
>this).
>

I read in the USA TODAY that it was thefirst time after
the AFL-NfL  merger in 1970 or somewhere around that time


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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Washington-Kansas City Game Summary
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:27:44 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.football.pro, grantham@beirut.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham) writes:
>swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) wrote:
>>RUSHING
>> Redskins:   At  Yd  Lg  TD   Chiefs:     At  Yd  Lg  TD
>...
>> Ervins      10  17   7   2   Krieg        3   3   2   0
>                          ^^^
>Unfortunately, I think this is a typo either on your part or the Post's
>part.  Sigh.  It was nice to hear young Ervins scored once, though.

Ugh!  That's a typo.  How careless of me.  To save time, I overwrote
on a previous game summary.


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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: Dallas...
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:24:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.000807.25905@newsgate.sps.mot.com> saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com writes:
>
>The Rams outplayed the Cowboys, on the road, in Texas Stadium, and deserved to win.
>They are better than their 4-6 record shows...

Not much!

Eric
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From: tml@druhi.ATT.COM (Tim Larison)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Keith Byars??
Keywords: injured??
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:49:02 GMT
Distribution: rec

Eagle fans -

What's up with Keith Byars?  He hasn't been used much in the last
two games, but he hasn't shown up on the injury report.  Are
the Eagles using Heath Sherman more as their receiving back?
Is Byars hand injury limiting his playing time?

Byars traditionally has had big games against the Giants, so I
wonder how much action he'll get tomorrow.

			Tim  att!druhi!tml
From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Moon shines bright.
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:49:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <#jjqvxc@lynx.unm.edu> baldwin@carina.unm.edu (Chris Baldwin) writes:
>	I don't have the same confidence in Cody that I do in Moon, but 
>we could do a lot worse than Cody Calrson leading this team. The rest of 
>the season looked tough before this, but now I don't know how this team 
>can do. Perhaps this will get this team to pull together and play like 
>a team. From what I have seen of this season, the Oilers seem to have
>the same problem the Vikings did last year.

Let me play devil's advocate here.  Lately, when Carlson has been in the game,
the offense has appeared to be a bit sharper and more productive than when Moon
has been in the game.  Now I'm not suggesting for a second that Commander Cody
is a better QB than Moon, who is a sure-fire future Hall of Famer, but maybe
Father Time is beginning to catch up with Warren Moon, and maybe we are witnes-
sing the beginnings of the changing of the guard at QB in Houston.  I, for one,
am not writing off the last six games, and I do believe that the Columbia Blue,
Red, and White may experience a resurgeance.

GO OILERS!  Squish the Fish (even though that would help the Bills)!
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From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Playoff questions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:31:48 GMT

I have a few questions for all of you out there.  The following is a 
HYPOTHETICAL example of a possible playoff picture in the NFC.  Again this is 
not a prediction (unless of course it turns out to be correct :-)).

                    Dallas    13-3      NFC East winner
                    Min.      9-7       NFC Central winner
                    SF        12-4      NFC West winner
                    NO        11-5      wildcard
                    Phil      10-6      wildcard
                    GB :)     9-7       wildcard

1.  NO, Phil, GB, and Min would play in the first round.  Does the division 
winner (Min) play the worst wild card or does it go strictly by record (GB at 
NO).

2.  If the former is true, does the fact that GB and MIN are in the same 
division prevent it anyway?

3.  If Min were to play Phil, would Phil have home field atvantage even though 
Min is a division winner?

I think that's all the questions for now

Thanks,

Paul
From: aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Is Kevin Smith ready ?
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:36:23 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    I just found that Kevin Smith is going to start in place of Ike Holt. I
    like this because I am sick of watching Holt giving WRs plenty of room to
    avoid big plays and end up giving the big play. I hope the K Smith is
    ready , though. I am worried because I still remmember how Gault beat K
    Smith on two deep routes during the game against the Raiders. The cowboys
    were lucky that no completions were made on those two particular plays.
    Another thing that worries me is run support. I think Holt has the edge
    here because he is more physical. Anyway, It is a good idea to start K
    Smith now because the primary job of a CB is to cover WRs and I think K
    Smith is going to be better than Holt in this area. It won't be easy
    against the Cards this sunday because they have very good QBs and
    dangerous WRs. I think they will come after Kevin. It will be great for
    Kevin and the team if he can come up with a big play or two. I wish him
    good luck. Last, I have  a question. What is the status of his hamstring
    injury he sustained in preseason? Is he 100%?

    Malik.....

    Go Cowboys........

    
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From: bcd@fang.att.com (Brendan Dwyer)
Subject: Re: Scud's Back..... (Testeverde in LA)
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:06:14 GMT

From article <27000136@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, by boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell):
> How about this for the off-season:
> 
> Raiders aquire Testeverde from TB after TB gives up on him.
> 
> 
NNNNOOOOOOOOOO!     NNNNNNNOOOOOO!   <Raider/Bucs fan assumes foetal position
and weeps uncontrollably>   Make it stop! <sniff>   Make it stop!

Brendan Dwyer
Raider fan!
Bucs fan! (who, after five years of Testeverde, would get a big kick out
of seeing Vinnie sodomized by a bison)


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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: "In the grasp" rule (was Re: Dolphins vs. Bills: Poor Calls
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:47:44 GMT


In article <Bxvw8G.5Iw@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>I think they changed that rule; I'm not sure. I haven't seen it called in a
>while. Anybody else know what the current rule is for "in the grasp" ?

Yes, I believe they did away with the "in the grasp" rule, and it's
a good thing they did.  I hated this rule from the time it first went
into effect.  The reason the league created the rule in the first place
was to protect the QBs, thinking that if you blew the play dead half
way through a sack then the defensive player would stop his actions
immediately, thus saving the QB from being thrown down.  This NEVER
happened.  Defensive players naturally ALWAYS continued to finish the
sack, even though the play was officially dead at the whistle.  So all
the rule ever prevented were great plays by QBs who managed to get off
a pass while being grabbed or dragged down.  It didn't help them; it 
hurt them.

Not to mention some of the really horrible calls that resulted from this
ridiculous rule, when a play would be blown dead after the defensive 
player barely got a hand on the QB.  Any Vikings fans remember the NFC
championship game agains Washington a few years ago, when Dexter Manley
(I think, it could have been Charles Mann) barely TOUCHED Wade Wilson on
the foot for about a half second, and he was ruled in the grasp?!!!

Jim

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From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Jason's Predictions for week 12
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:49:55 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


last week i was 7-7 in picking winners... let's see how i do with the
spread... 


Based on the Vegas odds...

who    where  home team favored by   my pick comments
---    -----  --------------------   ------- --------

Atl @  Buff             14           Buffalo
Phi @  NYG              -3.5         Giants... to win
Hou @  Mimi             3.5          Miami... Moon is out
Det @  Cin              2.5          Cincinatti
GB  @  Chi              5.5          Green Bay... w/points
Cle @  Minn             9.5          Minnesota... no O from Cle
Ind @  Pitt             12           Pittsburgh... no D from Colts
Den @  Raid             4            Raiders... away from home, Denver
                                     ain't so good. Elway may not play
SF  @  Rams             -7           San Fran... better D, better O
Dal @  Phoe             -8.5         Dallas... BIG rebound
NYJ @  New England      -4.5         Patriots... hey, they might even
                                     win it! 
Tam @  SD               8.5          Tampa... 8.5 too high... maybe 4
KC  @  Sea              -11.5        Kansas... 17-0
Was @  N.O.             4            New Orleans... impressed me last
            week, Washington hasn't looked impressive since super bowl


well... there they are... any comments?

jason
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 12:34:46 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Scott Zolak and the Maryland QB Factory
 <1992Nov16.115932.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> <27565@oasys.dt.navy.mil>

Good job Zolak, I hope your Mother and Father come to watch every game you
play!  By the way, maybe Scotts dad should apply for the NE coaching position
and coach from the stands by telephone!
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Pitt #1 - NOT
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:58:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92319.190351RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu writes...

>No kidding you moron.  Pittsburgh was No. 1 in the AFC 'til last week.  Now
>the AFC standings as of 11/9/92 are as follows :
>No. 1 Miami (1-0 record vs. Bills)
>    2 Buffalo (0-1 record vs. Dolphins)
>    3 Denver (better AFC record)
>    4 Pittsburgh
>    5 Houston, Cleveland, Kansas City.  I haven't looked at a paper this week
>so I don't know who's where.  But my point is if you would know your football,
> you would know the tiebreakers, who's No. 1 each week and could figure out
>who can make the playoffs on the last week of the season should so and so win
>so and so lose instead of having to rely on a newspaper!

Well, without coming down on one side or another, let me clue *you* in:

Rankings before Monday Night's win by the Bills:

	1 Miami		AFC EAST LEADER		7-2
	2 Denver	AFC WEST LEADER		6-3 (better conference record)
	3 Pittsburgh	AFC CENTRAL LEADER	6-3
	4 Buffalo	AFC WILD CARD #1	7-2 (best record outside of DLs)
	5 Houston	AFC WILD CARD #2	5-4 (beat KC)
	6 Kansas City	AFC WILD CARD #3	5-4

these should be right...of course, they are no longer relelvant!

But, for future reference, please do NOT rank division leaders ahead of wild-
card contestants if you are trying to figure out the top seeds in either
conference.

Even that other one.

>                                                             -Rob

AFC 4, NFC 0.
AFC contenders 4, NFC pretenders 3.

					---Chet Zeshonski
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From: lowery@bnr.ca (Gary Lowery)
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK: BILLS AND 49ERS
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:03:15 GMT

In article <Bxx5My.1oM@acsu.buffalo.edu> v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST) writes:
>In article <92322.192615U58582@uicvm.uic.edu>, U58582@uicvm.uic.edu writes...
>>Even I like Bills, but your logic beats me a bit...
>>SO what if Bills beat 49ers the last time?
>>DOes it mean they will beat 49ers in the SB?
>>(they still might, but that's a different issue)
>>Wonder why the divison teams play with each other then?
>> 
>>This starts an interesting question.
>>Can anyone list the teams which in the SB beat teams they lost to in the
>>regular season, if any?
>
>It seems like every year in the playoffs and the Super Bowl that if Team A
>had lost to team B in the regular season that come playoffs and Super Bowl
>that team A would beat team B.
>
>The following are instances that come to mind:
>
>1991
>
>regular season: San fran beat the Giants
>playoffs      : Giants beat San fran
>
>regular season: Buffalo beat the Giants
>super Bowl    : Giants beat Buffalo
>
>1984
>
>regular season: Miami beat San fran
>Super Bowl    : San fran beat Miami
>
If I remember right, the 49ers lost only to Pittsburgh 20-17 in 1984.  I think
an interception sealed the Pittburgh win.  The loss was at Candlestick.  19-0  
would have been sweet, but 18-1 wasn't too bad.
>I know that there exist many more instances, but off the top of my head I can't
>remember any more. Feel free to add on.
>    _____________________________________________________________________
>   |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
>   |   Two of the Best teams in Football!    * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
>   |_____________________________________________________________________|

GO NINERS!
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From: emdynle@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Em Dyn chi co' em trong tim anh)
Subject: PEOPLE ON AIKMAN's BACK
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:09:33 GMT

All these people on troy Aikaman's back. Come on now, the guy is still  
young.  I think these people are just jeaulous that Dallas is doing so  
well this year. One game does not say how good or bad you are as a  
quarterback.  The question is does the quarterback produce a win?  This  
year Aikman has produced wins. Name me a quarterback who has produced  
more.  Hmmmmmmm, having a hard time huh?  I would take the worst  
quarterback in the league if the team still won by some other means. Get  
the point?

Go Boys
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:07:12 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills No. 1 in AFC

As of this moment, the Bills are the new No. 1 team in the AFC.  Already ahead
of Pittsburgh with a win over them and a big advantage towards the AFC East
crown, despite the Steelers weak schedule, it appears the Bills are looking
good to gather home field advantage throughout the playoffs.
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No. 1 Buffalo Bills (better AFC East record than Dolphins)
    2 Denver Broncos (better AFC record than Steelers, Dolphins)
    3 Pittsburgh Steelers (better AFC record than Dolphins)
    4 Miami Dolphins (Ouch!  Big drop from No. 1 to No. 4)
    5 Kansas City Chiefs
    6 Houston Oilers
Playoff picture as of now : Bills/Broncos bye  Oilers at Dolphins. (Wait, this
is this week's game)                           Chiefs at Steelers. (This one
was already played!)
------------------------------------------------------------------  Robbie Po
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From: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes)
Subject: Top players in total yards from scrimmage
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:33:36 GMT

Here they are again, the best 12 players in total yards from scrimmage:

 Name			Games Played 	Total Yards	TD
Thurman Thomas			10	1290		9
Barry Foster			10	1258		5
Emmitt Smith			10	1195		13
Ricky Watters			10	1181		9
Lorenzo White			10	1082		5
Cleveland Gary			10	1058		10
Michael Irvin			10	1030		5
Sterling Sharpe			10	1016		7
Terry Allen			10	977		8
Rodney Hampton			10	968		9
Vince Workman			10	923		2
Reggie Cobb			10	855		7

For the people who missed Hershel Walker on my last posting, he's 16th with
37 yards less than Barry Sanders on 15, but both of them crossed the 800 mark.

For those of you who are interested in rushing quarterbacks, here are the best
three:

Steve Young			10	422		4
Randall Cunningham		9	300		1
Jim Harbaugh			10	233		1

Michael
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From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboy Bandwagon
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:09:18 GMT
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In article <1992Nov17.181445.4050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>
>                        Instead of woofing when you're on top, instead just
>watch, with a silent glow, and realise that as good as it feels, it is better
>to be silent since eventually your team will be substandard, and any woofing
>you do now will come back at you three-fold.

We've all come to realize (I think) that you can't classify woofers
vs. non-woofers by team.  They're classified more by the "type" of
fan they are, not what team they root for.  The woofers are loud,
obnoxious, braggarts when their team is on top; silent, invisible
puppies with their tails tucked between their legs when their teams
lose.  It's like playing games as a kid; the woofers were probably the
ones who always wanted to beat up on the little kids and win the games,
until bigger kids came around who could beat them.  The non-woofers
were simply the ones, win or lose, that just wanted to play.

It's ridiculous to think that ANY team is going to be on top for very
long.  The nature of the sport is to nurture competitive balance, hence
the weaker teams get better draft picks, easier schedules, etc.  After
a while, the tables are turned and winners become losers and losers become
winners.

Anyway, as has been said before in this newsgroup, you can't label
all the fans of one team as woofers or non-woofers.  Rather, there are
both types rooting for each and every NFL team.  



Ray   GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Re: PEOPLE ON AIKMAN's BACK
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:45:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.150933.28040@wam.umd.edu> emdynle@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (
Em Dyn chi co' em trong tim anh) writes:
>All these people on troy Aikaman's back. Come on now, the guy is still
>young.  I think these people are just jeaulous that Dallas is doing so
>well this year. One game does not say how good or bad you are as a
>quarterback.  The question is does the quarterback produce a win?  This
>year Aikman has produced wins. Name me a quarterback who has produced
>more.  Hmmmmmmm, having a hard time huh?  I would take the worst
>quarterback in the league if the team still won by some other means. Get
>the point?
>
>Go Boys

Yes, but how much would you pay this quarterback.  Aikman is at best an average
quarterback and deserves to be treated as such.

Paul