Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.soaps
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 11:03:15 -0500 
From: Liz Fox <lf01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: DOOL: In Defense of Carly

 
[Vix not Lix]
 
Tim responds to Beth who responds to Susan:
 
> >>Really.  I'm starting to wonder about this group.
> >>Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu)
> >>
> >Susan,  You really don't have to wonder about this group.  A lot
> >of us find the character of Carly obnoxious (at best).  If you like
> >her, that's fine.  We won't "wonder" about you :-)  But I will say
> 
> What Susan is wondering about isn't the people in this group itself.
> It's this driving force that seems to exist that relentlessly works
> to demean the character of Carly in every sense imaginable.  It isn't
> good enough that Susan says she is "boring", or "not that great".  
> Anything less than "Carly is the anti-Christ" is deemed unacceptable.
> Believe me, I cannot believe I am sticking up for this character, but 
> I also cannot believe the things some people here are coming up with.
 
What?  You think that I have no right to voice a legitimate complaint after
watching an actress get on national television and say that she based a
scene on my soap after a movie that I think is abhorrent.  Sorry Susan.
I don't know what movie you watched, but the version of 9 1/2 weeks that
I saw had no redeeeming qualities.  It was an excuse to glorify abuse
of women.  The fact that Carpy is presented as god's gift to womens'
role models only makes this worse.  Believe it Tim.  And no, I do not
think this is a stretch.  I HATED that movie and I want to see nothing
like it on my soap opera.  That is my opinion.  I'm sorry that it is
made less valid because you don't agree.  I'm also sorry that you think
this translates to "Carly is the anti-Christ".  I never said that and if
you saw that in the post then to steal one of your phrases, that is
 *YOUR* problem.
 
> As Susan has said, I don't think anyone particularly "liked" this 
> scene.  And if someone did, that is fine.  But it also isn't grounds
> to go around making rape comparisons and calling a woman a whore.  
> Vickie, you say that CC has let down womem by doing that scene.  Well,
> I think you have let down women by jumping to such conclusions so 
> readily.  [Oh, I'm going to pay dearly for this one.  There goes my
> postcard from Europe.]  :-)
 
I don't know what posts you are reading Tim.  You weren't even responding
to me in this post.  But I never called her a whore.  I also never made
a rape comparison.  I said the scene reminded me of The Accused.  And
I'll say it again since no one seems to actually understand this, they
were in a bar, alcohol was involved, they had sex on a pool table, ergo,
the connection.  That is all.  Not once did I ever say it reminded me
of rape.
 
As for letting women down, how could I?  You have blamed me for saying things
I never said.  However, I will say this and it will be my final post
on this matter.  You and Susan both got personal with this discussion.
I agree with Spud.  Susan surely intimated that if we had a problem with
this scene or what Crystal said in her interview that we were Puritanical.
She doesn't know any of us well enough to make such a blanket statement.
The rest of us kept our discussion to the character and the actress.
 
> Maybe *you'll* send me a postcard?  Whaddyasay?  :)
 
Of course I will!! ;)  BUT I won't respond to further posts on this matter
because when things get personal, people get hurt.
 
Vix
 


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