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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:08:34 EDT
From:         GUIDOSL <GUIDOSL%DIALOG@mcimail.com>
Subject:      Alexandria

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

According to Everyman's Encyclopaedia,  Demetrios of Phaleron was the
first librarian....he was a Greek scholar. (290 BC)

We have yet to find what type of library degree he had.  Yet, he
was by his employers standards a full fledged professional.

For professionals eyes only...  The 40,000 scrolls out of
700,000 scrolls were destroyed in 47 BC by the order of Caesar.
The rest of the scrolls were destroyed in 646 by order of
Caliph Omar.  Take note, the orders of these two men were considered
"the law" in their day.  (a.k.a. Roman and Islamic law)
>
Rule: The legal system has always and will always affected libraries.

.

Lori B. Guidos
Information Specialist

----------------Response to original Message--------------------------

   Lori Guidos, you bring up a FANTASTIC point - just what were
   librarians like in those days???? I wonder if anyone has studied
   that?  Gary Parsons
   note: Did they library at Alexandria use professional
   librarians??



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Subject:  Colorado

>
>
I think it is vital for librarians - both professional and non-professional
to ask themselves:  When the library at Alexandria was destroyed....
and ...  when Hitler ordered books burned and
human beings to be destroyed what were the librarians saying to themselves?

or more importantly what were they not saying to the world???


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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:49:07 EDT
From:         Harry Goodman <goodman@igc.apc.org>
Subject: Re: High-tech classrooms

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> Our university is embarking on the adventurous journey of
> bringing high-tech, state-of-the-art classrooms to the
> campus.  ....   I am searching for models-proposed or
> existing-which would exemplify a high-tech, multi-media
> approach.  I would appreciate information based on experience
> and/or theory.

The Computer Learning Foundation of Palo Alto, CA has been compiling
this kind of information for the last several years.  Their founder
and Executive Director is Sally Bowman-Alden.  Message phone is
415/327-3347,

Sally has been a frequent guest and commentator for our public
radio series.  She works primarily with K-12 schools but also
has good experience with adult and college programs.


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From: kgs@panix.com (K.G.Schneider)
Subject: Harp Music Resources?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:17:10 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Keywords: harp music reference

A person I know from the Internet gateway I use has asked me for
information about researching harp music in the United States.  She
would like to search as many online resources as possible.  I am
a children's librarian, and am not sure where to begin with this
question.  The person requesting information has already gathered
quite a bit of music from Europe.  She is doing doctoral work in
this subject, I believe.  She was clear that all kinds of harp
music would be appropriate for her purposes.

Any ideas?  Points of departure?  Experience?  
-- 
Karen G. Schneider kgs@access.net
"For there's a measure of a kind/And so I'll know just what I've missed
 For I have never known a time/In all my life like this"--Alix Dobkin

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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:36:20 EDT
From:         BRENDA TURNER <BTURNER@UKCC.uky.edu>
Subject:      Escrow Vend

Please reply directly to bturner@ukcc.uky.edu  thank you, the moderator

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Does anyone know the mailing address and/or phone number to the coin-op
company called Escrow Vend.  I'm having trouble locating this information.
I am not a subscriber to your lists; so, please reply to me directly.

Thank you.

Brenda Turner
Public Services Librarian
Lexington Community College
Oswald Building
Cooper Drive
Lexington, KY 40506
606-257-4919
bturner@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:53:49 EDT
From:         ellen detlefsen <ellen@lis.pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Gay/Lesbian Rights

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Bravo for the call to take a stand!  In the same vein as Edmund Burke, try
the words of H. Rap Brown:  "If you are not part of the solution, you are
part of the problem."

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
                              Ellen Gay Detlefsen

         Associate Professor, School of Library & Information Science
       Core Faculty, Women's Studies Program, Faculty of Arts & Sciences
    Affiliated Faculty, Section of Medical Informatics, School of Medicine
                 University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh PA 15260
                    phone: 412-624-9444; FAX: 412-624-5231
             internet: ellen@lis.pitt.edu * BITNET: ELLEN@PITTVMS
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Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:22:04 EST
From: Thomas J Cozzolino <RBNTJC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.libref-l
Subject: Industry Use of Internet?

Folks,

Our company is in the process of gathering information on Internet
usage by other companies, especially other chemical companies.

o  Is anyone willing to share their experiences, successes, and
   usage patterns regarding the Internet?

o  What are the value-added benefits of using the Internet for
   your Research and Business?

o  What are the biggest challenges facing you, the providers of
   Internet services?

o  How difficult has it been to change your particular corporate or
   Information Technology / Information Services cultures to embrace
   this "brave new world" view?

Any and all help is appreciated.  I will post a summary if there is
interest.  Also, if I should post this to other newsgroups, that
information is also much appreciated.

Thanks for reading.  Please reply directly if possible, or to this
newsgroup of you prefer.
+============================================+
|   Thomas J. Cozzolino - Rohm and Haas Co.   =
|   InterNet:    tcozz@rohmhaas.com            =
|                                               =
|     Internet Access for Everyone..             =
|         Isn't it time?                          =
|                                                  =
|   - Opinions expressed are my own, not            =
|     necessarily those of Rohm and Haas Company     =
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:22:47 EDT
From:         FAW@ACUSD.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Colorado situation

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
AALL NEWS RELEASE

AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF LAW LIBRARIES VOTES NOT TO HOLD 1998 ANNUAL MEETING
IN DENVER

Chicago, November 24, 1992 -- The Executive  Board of the  American
Association of Law Libraries (AALL) announced that the Association will not
hold its 1998 Annual Meeting in Denver as planned due to the passage of
Amendment Two which prohibits the state of Colorado from enacting laws
protecting the status of homosexuals, lesbians and bisexuals.  The decision
was reached by unanimous vote.

Mark E. Estes, AALL President and Law Librarian at the Denver law firm of
Hole Roberts & Oman, cited Article 9 of the Association's Bylaws which
sttates that "participation in any activity of the Association ... shall
not be denied to any individual, or abridged on account of race, color,
religion, sex, age, national origin, disability, or sexual orientation."
Further, the Executive Board strongly stated that the exclusionary nature
of Amendment Two could extend to the restriction of other rights, including
the right to access legal information.

According to Estes, "holding the AALL Annual Meeting in a state which
constitutionally permits a policy of discrimination would deny some members
full participation in the Association's premier educational activity."  The
AALL Annual Meeting typically draws 1,800 to 2,000 of the Association's
5,000 members as well as 650 exhibitors and special guests.

The American Association of Law Libraries was established in 1906 to
promote and enhance the value of law libraries to the public, the legal
community, and the world; to foster the profession of law librarianhip; and
to provide leadership in the field of legal information.  Members of the
Association work in law firms, academic, government, and coporate libraries
which serve lawyers; bar associations; law school and other university
research needs; government agencies; coorations; and federal, state, and
local courts.

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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:00:36 EDT
From:         William Welburn 335-6155 <CADLWWTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Colorado situation

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Small minded is an understatement.  This is the "Tragedy of the
Commons" once again, where groups argue counterproductively over
greater shares of the public square.  It's sad...
This may indeed be the fate of "multicultural diversity" as an issue
Rather than build coalitions, it may be likely that tensions over
power will surface, pitting one group against another.  This is the
fate of diversity on many college campuses now.
I think that the arguement presented here also reveals the author's
concealed racial bigotry by invoking racial/ethnic identity when it
is convenient to do so.  Not only does it weaken the struggle against
racism to do so, but it also weakens the struggle against homophobia
and discrimination against the gay/lesbian community.  The wisdom of
moving the ALA meeting away from Colorado because of the recent referen-
dum ought to be argued, judged, and acted upon on the strength of its
own merits, of which there are many.
Again, a sad statement in my view.

William Welburn.

> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> The following message appeared on LIBREF-L.
>
>  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Rochelle Ballard, Reference Librarian
>  University of Central Florida         Phone:  (407) 823-5049
>  P. O. Box 162666                       Fax#:  (407) 823-5865
>  Orlando, FL  32816-2666
>  FDBALLAR@UCF1VM.BITNET
>  FDBALLAR@UCF1VM.CC.UCF.EDU
>
>  "If prejudice could reason, it would dispel itself."
>                              William Pickens
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> I find all this discussion entertaining because ALA & ACRL (among others) saw
> fit to pull the ACRL conference from Phoenix AZ over the MLK holiday not being
> on the 3rd Monday in January (& a paid state holiday), yet can't quite see
> it's way clear to do the same over a bias relating to sexual orientation. I'll
> bet that if we substituted "disabled", "Hispanic", "African-American", or
> "women" for the terms "gay", "lesbian", or "homosexual" the discussion would
> take on a very different tone!
>
> ********(END OF FORWARDED MESSAGE)*********
>
> How do you all feel about this note and the new controversy about
> meeting in Denver?  I see mentioning other ethnic/minority groups
> in discussions this way as being very divisive, mean spirited, and
> small-minded.  How about some discussion on this matter?
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:22:40 EDT
From:         DEBORAH WITTE <DWITTE@MAINE.BITNET>
Subject:      Help

Please send any responses directly to dwitte@maine.  Thanks, the moderator
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Definition for the word godolphin as a COMMON NOUN????  Thanks!
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:56:45 EDT
From:         "Robert Clarke (McGill Univ. Management Library)"
              <CZRY@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Printers, paper and CD-ROMS

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
At the Management Library here at McGill our CD-ROMs are on a building-
wide LAN. When we went on the LAN, we instituted a no-paper policy for
for our in-library workstations. Users may bring their own paper (we
encourage them to use bond paper) or may obtain it from the library
circulation desk for 50 cents for 20 sheets. Most users like this
arrangement, since all other charges have been dropped (we used to
supply paper but charged $2.00/hr when the CD-ROMs were single user
stations).

One thing we did to simplify the printing for our users was to replace
our ThinkJet printers with DeskJets. Although the price of ink cartridge
refills is about double, these printers use sheets of paper only and
are _much_ easier for patrons to use. They also require no priming when
repalcing ink cartridges.

Robert Clarke
Head Librarian
Howard Ross Library of Management
McGill University
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:35:15 -0600
From:         "Stephen L. Arnold" <ARNOLD@ARNOLD.COM>
Subject:      Re: New tag for DOMAIN NAMES
Comments: To: NODMGT-L@vm.gmd.de
Comments: cc: JNET-L@BITNIC.EDUCOM.Edu

From the NODMGT-L list:

> New tag in DOMAIN NAMES as of 9301:
>
> :mformat. - Automatically extracted from BITEARN NODES, serversN tag.
> If the value is null, or PU, no mformat tag will be generated.  Any
> other value, will cause an :mformat tag to be generated. The :mformat
> tag will appear at the end of the :nick line, after the :served
> tag, if one exists.
>
> Examples:
>
> :nick.JOINER.COM :mailer.MAILER@JOINER  BSMTP  3 :served.YES :mformat.ND
> :nick..SE        :mailer.MAILER@SEARN   BSMTP  3  :mformat.ND PU
>
> No manual updates will be accepted to the :mformat tag.  Users wishing
> to update their :mformat tag, should update their :serversN tag
> in BITEARN NODES.  DOMAIN NAMES will from now on be distributed
> after BITEARN NODES is updated so as to collect the latest changes
> to the :serversN tag.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hank Nussbacher
>
> P.S.  If you wish to review the history of this change or wish to make
> comments, please use the domain-l list.

In order to take advantage of the VM Mailer's ability to send mail in
NETDATA format, which permits lines longer than eighty characters, the
BITEARN NODES entries for all systems running recent versions of Jnet
should be updated to indicated that they accept mail in NETDATA as well
as PUNCH formats.  For example, to change

    :servers1.MAILER@DECUS(MAIL,,,,P_DECUSSA)

to

    :servers1.MAILER@DECUS(MAIL,ND PU,,,P_DECUSSA)

for node DECUSB (and to indicate all the file formats DECUSB can
receive), I sent the following update job:

    modify node DECUSB
    :servers1.MAILER@DECUS(MAIL,ND PU,,,P_DECUSSA)
    :fformat.VD ND PU PR DD

(Note that systems running Jnet *cannot* receive files in VMSDUMP
format.)

This recommendation will be incorporated into the new editions of the
BITNET Postmaster's Guide, which I'm now writing under contract to CREN.

Regards,
"Steve"   Stephen L. Arnold, Ph.D., Principal, Arnold Consulting
Address   4138 Iroquois Drive, Madison, Wisconsin  53711-3701  U.S.A.
Telephone +1 (608) 238-7835             Pager     +1 (608) 277-4053
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:54:45 -0600
From:         "Stephen L. Arnold" <ARNOLD@ARNOLD.COM>
Subject:      Re: New tag for DOMAIN NAMES
Comments: To: NODMGT-L@vm.gmd.de
Comments: cc: jnet-l@bitnic.educom.edu

Earlier today (after recommending that Jnet sites update BITEARN NODES
to indicate their systems can receive mail in NETDATA and PUNCH
formats), I said:

> (Note that systems running Jnet *cannot* receive files in VMSDUMP
> format.)

Thanks to Edward A. Lyon, SYSEAL@SUVM.SYR.EDU, and Terry Kennedy,
TERRY@spcvxa.spc.edu, who quickly pointed out my mistake.  I meant to
assert that Jnet cannot receive mail files in VMSDUMP format!
                                ----
Inbound VMSDUMP files are handled by the RECEIVE utility, and not turned
over to the mail handler.

This mistake does not affect my recommendation.  I *still* think Jnet
sites should update the :servers tag in their BITEARN NODES entry to
indicate the file formats accepted for mail are "ND PU".

(What?  No :servers tag!?  You mean you still haven't registered a mailer
for each node, as required by CREN since 1 January 1992!!?  Shame!)

Sorry for any confusion caused by my mis-statement...

Steve
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:04:58 EST
From:         Belinda Ong <CPDBONG@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

Thanks for the information.  Have a nice holidays!  Belinda
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:30:27 -0500
From:         "Abdul K. Rony" <aron@SEQ1.LOC.GOV>
Subject:      Indonesian-American studies

I would appreciate any information on on-going research, or publications, dealin
 g with Indonesian-American studies in the United States. Kohar.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:05:10 -0500
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      NEWS/VN: VN wants US oil firms to return

12/10

Vietnam says wants U.S. oil firms to return

    HANOI, Dec 10, Reuter - Vietnam's state oil company, PetroVietnam, says it
wants U.S. companies, which first discovered oil here before the end of the
Vietnam war, to come back with their high technology and help boost production.
    Ho Si Thoang, director general of PetroVietnam, told the weekly newspaper
Nhan Dan Chu Nhat that U.S. companies had told him recently they wanted to come
do business to Vietnam.
    They are banned from doing so by a U.S. trade embargo.
    "American oil companies used to operate in Vietnam before 1975. We always
wish to have a cooperation with them, but unfortunately the embargo of the U.S.
government has prevented both sides from cooperating with each other...," Nhan
said.
    "We highly value the technological ability and experience of American oil
companies," Thoang was quoting as saying in the December 13 issue of the
weekly, published today.
    Thoang met several U.S. government officials, economists and company
executives in the oil sector and other fields during a trip to the United
States in October.
    Vietnam pumped more than five million tonnes of crude this year, half the
amount it produced since 1986 in a venture with Russia from an offshore field.
    That offshore oil field, called Bach Ho (White Tiger), was discovered by
the U.S. firm Mobil Corp <MOB.N> shortly before Hanoi's communists defeated the
U.S.-backed South Vietnamese government in April 1975.
    Companies from Britain, Canada, France, the Netherlands, Belgium and other
countries have been searching for oil off Vietnam's shores in recent years, but
none has found commercial amounts.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:41:55 EST
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Sulak arrives in BKK

=======================  Forwarded  Message  ===========================
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:33:20 -1700
From: trin@nwg.nectec.or.th (Trin Tantsetthi)
Subject: Sulak Sivaraksa arrives Bangkok


An afternoon TV news reported that Ajarn Sulak has arrived Bangkok and
surrendered to the police. He was accompanied by a famous attorney
Tongbai Tongpao. The news reported that he has been bailed out with
300,000 baht cash collateral.

-Trin
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:11:28 -0600
From:         Ian Chai <spectre@UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: SG: NEWS: Sing. Daze #14, 15-18 Dec. 92

>4.(ST 17 Dec)  COEs for small cars have dropped from $19 930 to

What are COEs? I left Singapore before I could drive and think about
such things, so I don't know what they are. Could someone tell me?

Thanks,

Ian
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:07:00 EST
From:         "Carl A. Trocki" <CTROCKI@GUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      earthquake in Indonesia

There isn't much news about the earthquake in Indonesia.  CBS news
reported 1200 deaths.
I just checed the earthquake news on gopher.  Not much there except
the location.  It seems the quake was in the sea just between Flores
and Sumba.  It was a 7.5 quake.  Pretty bad.
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