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From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: unflattering newspaper headline
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:33:38 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1f224250@f210.n771.z3.fidonet.org>, James_Swindells@f210.n771.z3.fidonet.org (James Swindells) writes:
>  * Original to Katoa at 3:771/210 in "TE_AO_MAORI"
>  * Forwarded Sat Aug 15 1992  13:49:37 by Richard Benton at 3:771/210@fidonet
> 
> MAORIS GET SI FISHERIES.  This is the rather unflattering headline in this 
> mornings Dominion.  Why were there no similar headlines like CROWN TAKE 
> FISHERIES FROM MAORIS  or CROWN TO RETURN WRONGFULLY TAKEN PROPERTY RIGHTS?  
> Isn't this just typical of the 'well they weren't using it productively so 
> why are they getting it back (Vattelisation)' nonsense.  I disagree with the 
> word get, it implies something other than a justifiable return of property 
> rights.  
> 

Probably because such a thing as ocean, isn't ownable (Under NZ law), like land
(Or the top 5cm of it anyway) is. You can't own an ocean (Or the fish in it).

As far as I'm concerned, the fisheries belong to all New Zealanders. Does it
realyy make a difference what colour you are? Sometimes I think that the
Waitangi tribunal is more racist than the Boers of years gone by. (Come on.
Somebody tell me I'm a racist for daring to imply that someone who isn't white
is a racist).


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re:  car prices and need advice
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:26:51 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: It's Home, really...

In article <UeYcA8200XNI0Q7XBn@cs.cmu.edu> Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 16-Aug-92 Re: car prices
>> and need advice Derek Tearne@nezsdc.icl. (1112)
>
>> The New Zealand safety code is more stringent than the Japanese and the
>> Jap imports have to undergo modifications e.g. different seatbelts,  to
>> be
>> allowed into New Zealand.
>
>
>I'm not sure whether the people who have been posting are aware of it,
>but it is the case that for many people, use of the word "Jap" as oposed
>to "Japanese" has a slight perjorative connotation. I have no idea
    Not to be persnickity, but the people are Japanese, and the country
Japan however used cars imported from Japan into New Zealand (generally
5+ years old, due to the way Japan runs its licensing etc) are Jap_imports.
It's the only general use of 'Jap' that is common. At least where I mingle.
Neither commenting for or against, just pointing out the current limited
meaning usage.
--
 Liam Greenwood ------ liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz ------ Wanganui, N.Z.
                Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer,
              she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Harley shops in New Zealand?
From: phys218@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:17:31 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

John Howard Osborn wrote, "I'm hoping that somebody can tell me if it is
possible to get a Harley-Davidson motorcycle serviced in New Zealand.

"Ideally, of course, there would be a couple Harley shops, but any
information would be nice."



What part of New Zealand did you have in mind?  The factory dealer and
service agent in Christchurch is
                                 Christchurch Motorcycles Ltd,
                                 70 Tuam Street,
                                 Christchurch 1.
                                 (Telephone [64]-03-366-9058,
                                 Fax [64]-03-365-1990.)

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Lyndon Watson                              L.Watson@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
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From: omundsen@sce.carleton.ca (Daniel Simon Omundsen)
Subject: Overseas Kiwis voting in referendum
Summary: How to vote in the referendum if you are overseas
Keywords: referendum, vote, overseas
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:47:27 GMT


I haven't seen this information posted to this group yet, so I am putting
it in for the benefit of those Kiwis who, like myself, won't be in NZ at
the time of the referendum (Sept 19th).

I contacted the NZ High Commission here in Ottawa this morning, and according
to what they said the procedure for voting is pretty simple. First you have
to make sure that you are on the electoral roll, which means getting hold of
the nearest NZ embassy or consulate. They will send you out a form to fill
out, which you can then return to them and they will mail it to Wellington.
They also have brochures describing the various options that you can vote for.

The voting papers will be sent out to all the consulates some time around the
start of September. If you have a fixed address, they will then mail the
papers to you. You just fill them out and send them back. Alternatively,
you can just go in person any time after the papers get to the embassies, and
you can cast a vote there.

The deadline is that your vote must be cast before the polls close in New
Zealand, at 11 pm (I think) on the 19th of September *NZ TIME*. That translates
to the 18th of September for many of us. Here in Eastern North America the
limit is 7:00 am Friday 18th, and since there generally are no mail
deliveries in the middle of the night you really have to get your vote in by
Thursday 17th. That gives just under three weeks leeway overall.

*DISCLAIMER* All this is just my interpretation of what the guy told me over
the phone, and it at least applies to Kiwis in Canada. The procedure may vary
slightly in other countries (although I don't see why it should). Maybe some
of you others would like to confirm this?

Interesting sideline: The guy I spoke to on the phone had the first Kiwi
accent (other than my relatives) that I have heard for the last 16 months. I
actually had a little bit of trouble understanding him! Jeez you guys speak
with a thick accent!  :-)

He mustn't have been in Canada for very long, because he hasn't yet learned
to speak slowly, nor has he picked up the strongly pronounced 'r's that I
have caught myself using in the last year. Now I understand why so many people
kept saying "What?" every time I opened my mouth when we first got here.

Daniel Omundsen					omundsen@sce.carleton.ca
Dept of Systems and Computer Engineering
Carleton University,
Ottawa, Ontario K1S 5B6
CANADA.
From: paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Overseas Kiwis voting in referendum
Keywords: referendum, vote, overseas
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:01:29 GMT
Organization: Taniwha Systems Design

In article <omundsen.714156447@isis.sce.carleton.ca> omundsen@sce.carleton.ca (Daniel Simon Omundsen) writes:
>
>I haven't seen this information posted to this group yet, so I am putting
>it in for the benefit of those Kiwis who, like myself, won't be in NZ at
>the time of the referendum (Sept 19th).

However if you have been out of NZ for 3 years or more you are not allowed to
vote (actually I think that strictly you are not allowed to enroll since you
are not a resident of that electorate)

>Interesting sideline: The guy I spoke to on the phone had the first Kiwi
>accent (other than my relatives) that I have heard for the last 16 months. I
>actually had a little bit of trouble understanding him! Jeez you guys speak
>with a thick accent!  :-)

Frightening isn't it :-) First time I heard one (it was on the radio) I really
couldn't place the accent - sounded really familiar but ....

These days I hear NZ accents whenever I go skiing .... 


	Paul

-- 
Paul Campbell    UUCP: ..!mtxinu!taniwha!paul     AppleLink: CAMPBELL.P

	How do you tell when George Bush is lying?
	You read his lips ...
Xref: sparky soc.culture.new-zealand:2325 rec.skiing:5286
From: dgu@ulysses.att.com (David G. Unger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand,rec.skiing
Subject: Where have the NZ Snow Reports Gone?????
Keywords: skiing, snow, new zealand
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:44:00 GMT
Followup-To: poster

What has happened to the reports of the snow conditions
from New Zealand that used to appear in rec.skiing?

There are some here who like to live vicariously!!
What are the conditions at the moment.

Thanks.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: trumpet-user@basil.eng.monash.edu.au (Default Trumpet User)
Subject: email address -- U of Auckland
Organization: Electrical & Computer Systems Eng. Dept., Monash Uni.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:26:32 GMT

Sorry for taking up the bandwidth.
Does anyone has a list of host names for the
University of Auckland, please email to me.
Thanks in advance.

Regards,
YS
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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 13:55:09 -0400 
From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Hear Hear
	<1992Aug18.114208.10159@waikato.ac.nz>

> Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.new-zealand: 18-Aug-92 Re: Ice T
> maj@waikato.ac.nz (1179)

> I don't identify with many things that Hamish posts, but I'm
> sure he's right about 'here, here'. It's a parliamentary contraction
> of 'you have support for what you are saying here'.

No, it's "Hear! Hear!" and I offer in support of this claim, a book
reference:

Author       Freeman, William, 1880-
             Contributors:  Howe, Quincy, 1900- editor.
             Williams, Gluyas, 1888- illus.
Title        HEAR! HEAR! An informal guide to public speaking: after
dinner;
             on the lecture platform; over the radio,by William Freeman,
             illustrated by Gluyas Williams, edited for America with
             additional chapters by Quincy Howe.
Publisher    New York, Simon and Schuster, 1941.
Description  book  ix, 180 p., 1 l. incl. plates. 19 cm.
Subjects     Oratory.


Michael
From: maj@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Ice T
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:42:08 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <RLLNPB2w165w@dogbox.acme.gen.nz>, dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl) writes:
> hosking@cs.umass.edu (Tony Hosking) writes:
> 
>> >>>>> On 2 Aug 92 21:56:53 GMT, hamish@waikato.ac.nz said:
>> 
>> hamish> Here Here!!
>> 
>> I think you mean "Hear, Hear!!", as in I *hear* you.
>> --
>> 		Tony Hosking
>> Papernet:	Dept. of Computer Science
>> 		University of Massachusetts			 _--_|\
>> 		Amherst, MA 01003				/      \
>> Voicenet:	(413) 545-0256					\_.--._/    )
>> Internet:	hosking@cs.umass.edu				      v    /
> 
> 
> Don't worry - It's just Hamish showing his pig ignorant racist red neck
>               attitudes again.
> 
> 
> dogbowl at The Dawghaus BBS  ( +64 6 357-9245 )
> 
> 

I don't identify with many things that Hamish posts, but I'm
sure he's right about 'here, here'. It's a parliamentary contraction
of 'you have support for what you are saying here'.
-- 
Murray A. Jorgensen [ maj@waikato.ac.nz ]    University of Waikato
Department of Mathematics and Statistics     Hamilton, New Zealand      
__________________________________________________________________
'Tis the song of the Jubjub! the proof is complete,
if only I've stated it thrice.'
From: Chris Tobin@bradford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Cars
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:46:20 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: s3801@muser

Just a note to say thank you to everyone who responded to
my request for advice about ex/importing my '86 UK Vauxhall
to NZ.

The consensus and best advice seems to be - if its a model that
has in the past been sold new in NZ and its less than 5 years old
or its an exceptional Make/Model (Rolls, Cady etc)
then the cost of shipping is worthwhile. Otherwise, sell it before
going and 'trade up' on arrival (if you can afford it!).

Gavin Kenny (a returning NZ national - I think) observed -
"Price wise I think Britain and N.Z. are fairly comparable."
and suggested the auctions were a bit more user friendly than
here in the UK.

This all becomes academic to me for the moment - our prospective
(house) buyer has just been made redundant. Needless to say they aren't
going through with the deal. :-(

Thanks again - I'll come back with more questions about life in NZ
over the next few weeks and months.


-- 
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                   Fax: +44 (0)274 383920 | Department of Computing
          JANET: C.J.Tobin@uk.ac.bradford | (Phoenix Building), Richmond Road,
       Internet: C.J.Tobin@bradford.ac.uk | BRADFORD BD7 1DP, England, UK
From: hosking@cs.umass.edu (Tony Hosking)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Hear, hear (was Ice T)
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:58:38 GMT
	<1992Aug18.114208.10159@waikato.ac.nz>
Reply-To: hosking@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Dept of Comp and Info Sci, Univ of Mass (Amherst)
In-reply-to: hosking@cs.umass.edu's message of 18 Aug 92 15:27:55 GMT

>>>>> On 17 Aug 92 23:42:08 GMT, maj@waikato.ac.nz said:

maj> In article <RLLNPB2w165w@dogbox.acme.gen.nz>, dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl) writes:
> hosking@cs.umass.edu (Tony Hosking) writes:
> 
>> >>>>> On 2 Aug 92 21:56:53 GMT, hamish@waikato.ac.nz said:
>> 
>> hamish> Here Here!!
>> 
>> I think you mean "Hear, Hear!!", as in I *hear* you.
>> --
>> 		Tony Hosking
>> Papernet:	Dept. of Computer Science
>> 		University of Massachusetts			 _--_|\
>> 		Amherst, MA 01003				/      \
>> Voicenet:	(413) 545-0256					\_.--._/    )
>> Internet:	hosking@cs.umass.edu				      v    /
> 
> 
> Don't worry - It's just Hamish showing his pig ignorant racist red neck
>               attitudes again.
> 
> 
> dogbowl at The Dawghaus BBS  ( +64 6 357-9245 )
> 
> 

maj> I don't identify with many things that Hamish posts, but I'm
maj> sure he's right about 'here, here'. It's a parliamentary contraction
maj> of 'you have support for what you are saying here'.
maj> -- 
maj> Murray A. Jorgensen [ maj@waikato.ac.nz ]    University of Waikato
maj> Department of Mathematics and Statistics     Hamilton, New Zealand      
maj> __________________________________________________________________
maj> 'Tis the song of the Jubjub! the proof is complete,
maj> if only I've stated it thrice.'

Let me quote from The Oxford Reference Dictionary:

	"hear! hear!" an expression of agreement or applause.

--
		Tony Hosking
Papernet:	Dept. of Computer Science
		University of Massachusetts			 _--_|\
		Amherst, MA 01003				/      \
Voicenet:	(413) 545-0256					\_.--._/    )
Internet:	hosking@cs.umass.edu				      v    /
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 13:42:40 +1200
From: Richard_Benton@f210.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Richard Benton)
Subject: Maori LT award ??
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
X-Comment-To: Cathi_Maryon@f170.n771.z3.fidonet.org (Cathi Maryon)
Organization: Te_Wahapu, Te Punawaru-a-Tuhi ma te Ao Hou 

Hi.  There were banner headlines of the type "Maoris Get All South Island 
Fisheries", and lots of jumping up and down, about this here.  I have 
cross-posted your message to our FidoNet Maori Affairs echo, and copied a 
couple of messages from there to the UseNet conference ... will transfer 
others as they come; I'm sure UseNet readers will have something to say about 
this topic, too, now that you've opened it up!
                     Regards, Richard Benton
                     bmaori@matai.vuw.ac.nz (InterNet)
                     richard.benton@3:771/210 (FidoNet)
From: tte@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: las
Date: 16 Aug 92 20:48:21 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

I went to see the new BATMAN RETURN movie at Village 5 in Hamilton the other
night.  What a load of shit.  It wasn't even as good as the first one.

Don't waste your money peoples

T
From: Eric_S_Klien@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Electronic Matchmaker
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 01:31:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

New Zealander women, having a problem finding a New Zealander man?  I 
am about to launch a free electronic matching service on Usenet.  
Thanks to the imbalance of men to women on Usenet, more guys than 
gals have expressed an interest so far.  If you would like to see the 
fifth draft of my questionnaire so we can alter it to also fit 
women's needs as well as men's, either send me mail or look at the 
copy I posted in alt.personals.  
 
This service is serious and I already have 310 men and 174 women
signed up so far.  The site of the service has already been selected
and programming is nearly completed.
 
I should point out that this questionnaire really, really, really,
needs some more input on CULTURES.  I need some questions to make
sure that matches are compatible culturally.
 
                                                          Eric Klien
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Subject: Re: WANG_OIS
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:10:10 GMT


In article <1992Aug14.212217.1789@actrix.gen.nz>, paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.224524.1855@gaya.gp.co.nz> mdh@gaya.gp.co.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes:
>> > Come now, use your imagination....
>> > 
>> > 	Daisywheel printer as a bird scarer?
>> 
>> What a great idea. Let the WCC know your idea, and they might let you try 
>> it under a certain tree on The Terrace. For those out of Wellington, there 
>> is a tree which you don't dare walk under at night on The Terrace, because 
>> you run the risk of being white-washed by the several thousand starlings 
>> which roost in it. The city council has been trying to find an effective 
>> bird scarer for some months.
>
>I understand that there is a shortage of stuffed rats, which have now been
>considered as the latest ploy to frighten off the birds.  Also, the council
>considered the used of stuffed cats, but felt that there might not be as
>much public acceptance to see deceased moggies nailed to the tree...  :-)
>-- 
>Paul Gillingwater, paul@actrix.gen.nz

Then why not Basil Brush? :-)

--
Red
Newsgroups: soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: Quayleman
From: Bruce.Hoult@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:47:52 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Aug11.115405.12223@actrix.gen.nz> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>  
> BTW....I drove over the Hayward's Hill Road today from the Hutt to Paremata.
> What a beautiful day! Then i went up the coast to Waikanae. At the bottom of
> the Pukerua Bay hill there were big waves rolling in and crashing on the rocky
> shore; salt spray everywhere and the smell of seaweed. Kapiti was shrouded in
> haze (Mt. Pinatubo ash?) as was the South Island in the distance.


Yep, on a good day that's one of the best drives around -- and the last
part where you come out onto the cliff-tops is simply *amazing*.  I've
taken a number of prople who don't know the area (including several
foreign visitors) up that road on my motorcycle, just cruising along,
looking at the view.  It's great the way you go along a pretty little
valley floor, climbing slowly but steadily, and your passenger has
*no* idea how close to the sea or how high you're getting.  Then you
go around a right-hand corner through a little cutting and as the bank
on your left-hand side ends you really suddenly (enhanced by my swinging
out almost to the left shoulder of the road a few seconds earlier) find
yourself on the top of a 1000' cliff with the sea below and a magnificent
view of Kapiti Island.

It's so stunningly beautiful and sudden that people nearly fall off
the back of the bike!

-- Bruce
-- 
Bruce.Hoult@bbs.actrix.gen.nz   Twisted pair: +64 4 477 2116
BIX: brucehoult                 Last Resort:  PO Box 4145 Wellington, NZ
"Cray's producing a 500 MIPS personal computer with 256MB RAM and 8 GB
hard disk that fits in your pocket!"   "Great!  Is it PC compatible?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Best shipper from US to Canada?
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:44:54 GMT

I'm looking to get some parcels sent to me on a regular basis from an
American address. I'd like to find out what methods people use reliably
and cheaply to send items from the US to Canada.

The only options I know of are FedEx and Airborne (fast but efficient).
Then there's UPS, which loves holding cross-border packages for ransom
at a border point (usually Detroit for things Ontario-bound) and calling
you to say "We've got something for you, pay our brokerage fees or we
send it back". I'd avoid them like the plague.

Has anyone successfully used Express Mail to Canada? How does it compare
to commercial couriers?

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
    Was "Trouble" (from the Broadway Show, Music Man) the first rap song?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,misc.headlines,soc.misc,tor.general
From: alex@meadow.uucp (Alex Dumitru)
Subject: Re: Toronto newspapers listed
Reply-To: alex@meadow.UUCP (Alex Dumitru)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 21:34:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.011215.8653@samba.oit.unc.edu> Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:
> It's a pity that the Library of Congress doesn't receive Toronto's
>Most Feared Morning Paper, as The Varsity has been known to call itself.

The library of congress should consider itself LUCKY that it does not receive
the aforementioned publication.
It is not worth reading, does not express student opinions and only complains
about other rival newspapers (which are obviously better).
Maybe people are not aware of this, but last year the Varsity has been asked
to stop calling themselves "the official voice of the students of U of T"
Hmmmm! Wonder why?

alex

P.S I always asked for my $1.75 back!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada