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Subject: What corps have sexual orientation in non-disc. clause?
From: matt@ra.oc.com (Matthew Lyle)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:38:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX

Who are some of the companies out there that have sexual orientation
in their corporate non-descrimination clauses?

-- 
Matthew Lyle                                           matt@oc.com
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West/SW/SE/Mid Atlantic Region (*Phew*)
OpenConnect System, Dallas, Texas                      (214) 490-4090
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From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: HIV- cases of full blown AIDS?
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 23:14:58 GMT

In article <8bgmnsj.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>James Curran from the CDC pointed out two other things:
>
>2) If they're not HIV+, they don't have AIDS, by definition. 

This is a ludicrous example of bending a definition to be self-serving.
AIDS is an observable syndrome, not a specific infection.  HIV antibody
tests detect HIV infection, not whether the individual has a deficiency
of the immune system.  Opportunistic infections *are* the definition of
AIDS; the only form of AIDS the CDC wishes to acknowledge is one which
correlates with HIV infection.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: storner@diku.dk (Henrik St|rner)
Subject: Re: Children
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:46:21 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes (about parents determining what their
children should and should not know about, e.g. homosexuality):

>So. Why should a parent have the right to deny basic information to a
>child about such things? 

They shouldn't. And that is why mandatory sexual education (non-biased,
of course) ought to find a place on the schedules of all schools.
--
Henrik Storner (storner@diku.dk)
Dept. of Computer Science
Univ. of Copenhagen, Denmark.
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Thought for the Day
Keywords: skating!
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:29:24 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: kane@buast7.bu.edu

Why do I never see any male-male couples in professional figure skating
competition?

Brian.
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Ok, my thoughts about the con (was Re: Well, God Damn It!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:17:35 GMT

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>Most definitely.  I realized fairly early on that it would simply
>not be POSSIBLE to get to know everyone as well as I might like
>to, so I did my best in the time available. ;-)

Wouldn't it have been nice to have a whole *year* to get to know everyone?
Then I'd have had a week or two to spend boinking with each person I
thought was cute... 8D~

>In retrospect, it might have been better from that perspective to
>have stayed at the hotel with other motsseurs, but that just
>wasn't financially workable.

Yeah. But then if you/we played it right, we could just bounce from
already-occupied hotel room to already-occupied hotel room from night
to night, and not pay a dime, and have fun to boot. Nothing like
opportunistic mingling...

>And for those of you at Rooster Rock who were wondering if I'm
>*really* that sensitive to the sun -- I did indeed get pink and
>sting on arms, neck and nose from the short time I was on the
>beach.

On the *neck*? You mean to tell me through the BEARD? Jesus, you
*are* sensitive.

>Of course, it was the absolute *last* thing that should have been
>done to challenge me to drop my pants. I eagerly await the
>photographs.

Someone *did* get a shot of you with your nametag hanging from the
nipple ring, right? I was quite impressed. You were twee, George.
I *so* wanted to tweak a ring, too...

--
John Dorrance    ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **    thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu

		I always thought of you as my brick wall
		   Built like an angel, six feet tall.
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From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: British Pronounciation
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:22:25 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>You know, somebody (and Arne, you're probably the one to do
>it) really should write a book about why things like this
>crack us up.  For the most part they're all incredibly dumb
>things, but I guffaw every time I think of Ophelia Meate and
>a dozen other names like Aphrodisia E-M above.  It's a very
>peculiar psychology that goes for verbal pratfalls.

Oh dear... I'm in *trouble* then.

--Brent, feeling very peculiar
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From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: There was this sign in the window...
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:39:23 GMT
 <1992Jul23.145049.1784@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US> <11421@optilink.UUCP>
Organization: University of Maine System

please do not crosspost soc.motss posts to talk.politics.misc.

thank you.

                                  -ailsa
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: the new innocent
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: query in logic and language
Organization: linguistic society of america
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:55:20 GMT

this is a question about naive reasoning (meaning the reasoning that
ordinary people use in conversation without thinking about what they're
doing):  what is it that leads (some) people to treat sentences of
the form
    SOME/MANY PEOPLE DO X (AND ENJOY IT)
as if they had been told
    YOU SHOULD DO X (AND ENJOY IT)        ?

so we have this guy who hears that a number of straight guys like
to take it up the ass, and he reacts as if we were strapping him
down, spreading his legs, ramming a jeff stryker dong-of-death up
his ass, and telling him he should enjoy it.

i mean, sometimes these people jump from someone's saying
    I DO X (AND ENJOY IT)
to (oh, here it is again)
    YOU SHOULD DO X (AND ENJOY IT)

so i mention in mixed company that i get great pleasure from being
fucked, and some strayt boy turns white, clutches himself, and backs
away, as if it were happening to him, not me, and now, not in the
timeless world of dispositions, reminiscences, and possibilities.

what is this, some sort of group-think effect?  (LOTS OF PEOPLE
ARE WEARING ZIGGURAT HAIRDOS, so I SHOULD GET ONE, that sort of
thing.)  a fear of the majoritarian effect?  (the reasoning that
leads people to say that if you voted for a losing candidate you
wasted your vote.)  just an over-vivid imagination (like many men,
i have one of these, and am liable to blanch at stories of bodily
injury in the region of a man's genitals), coupled with garden-variety
homophobia?  something else?

presumably, *no* guy leaps from the true sentence
   A GREAT MANY AMERICANS MENSTRUATE
to the (for him) absurd
   I SHOULD MENSTRUATE
so there is some limit to the folk use of this reasoning pattern.
but where is it?  are a lot of christians disturbed to be told that
   A GREAT MANY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE HINDUS
because it suggests to them that
   I SHOULD BE A HINDU  ?
(time to give up meat, commit a few vedic hymns to memory, etc.!)

arnold (wondering where his tongue is)
Xref: sparky soc.motss:32474 rec.arts.tv:15325 rec.arts.tv.uk:4496 rec.arts.tv.soaps:26491 soc.bi:9503
From: cipher@lacerta.unm.edu (Rev. J. B. Bell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.tv.soaps,soc.bi,alt.politics.homos
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:27:20 GMT
Organization: Universal Life Church of Secular Humorism

In article <VP5DoB1w164w@penn.Gwinnett.COM> bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins) writes:
>glb3833@sjfc.UUCP (Gidget Bowden) writes:
>
>> I'm not sure if this has been posted yet or not, but on the soap AT the
>> World Turns, there was a gay character Hank.  They never showed his lover,
>> who was living in another city, but his lover had AIDS, and eventually
>> died, I think.
>> 
>        question- does a gay (spec. male) character who dies (on TV) ever die
>        of anything BESIDES AIDS??
>
>have just noticed an odd occurance in this intersting thread that GAY characters
>seems to somehow involve AIDS....(maybe this is a bit of an oversimplification,
>but has anyone else noticed?)

Yes, it's called "stereotyping".  Also, "the only queer safe to depict
is dead, dying, or a villain."  I strongly recommend Vito Russo's _The
Celluloid Closet_ for an in-depth and readable analysis of this
problem throughout the history of filmmaking.

I seem to recall a show once where a gay man fell ill, and everyone
was assuming it was AIDS, but it turned out to be good ol' cancer.
Don't recall what it was though, sorry.

                                --Rev. J. B. Bell
-- 
"Before you shoot off your mouth, try placing your foot in it.  At least
that way, you'll know _why_ you shot yourself in the foot."

           --Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: don@oxy.edu (Don Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Hanky Code
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA.  USA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:56:31 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.164841.4409@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)  
writes:
> In article <1992Jul30.103409.24788@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu  
(Jess Anderson) writes:
> >
> >Only 69-joke I know: 
> >Q. What's the square root of 69?  
> >A. Ate something.
> 
> Q. What's the square root of 69i?
> A. i 8 something.
> 
> -- 
> US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.


No No NO!

The last Q should be:  What's the square root of -69?

Jojo...we're gonna revoke your Caltech degree!

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Sappho Etiquette (was Re: Gaynet, Mailing Lists, etc.)
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (jenneke)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 04:45:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.231453.24181@macc.wisc.edu> 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <92204.165140IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
>IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T.  Murphy) writes:
>>TSes are allowed on sappho as long as the are living as
>>female.  men are not allowed to either read or post to
>>sappho,
>
>>and it is a breach of sappho ettiquette to show any sappho
>>mail to a man without asking permission of the poster first.
>>sappho is meant to be wimminspace, pure and simple.
>
>One of my closest friends who used to be fairly active on
>sappho mentioned the care nearly all list participants take
>to observe this etiquette.  It seemed to me a very good
>idea.

All of the above goes for bifem-l as well, which *is* active.

-jenneke

My biggest budget problem is food:
My stomach wants four meals a day.
My budget wants two.
From: mdrayton@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:32:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Gay Myths and Jeep Codes
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: soc.motss

 henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
|foster@convex.COM (Harry Foster) wrote: 
|->	.... That was when I 
|->	found out he harbored the misconception that gay men are 
|->	attracted to all other males.  

|they all seem to think this.  is this information part of the early-on
|programming for heterosexuals or something?

----------
As a matter of fact, it is.  Most of the men here have been through it,
auditing only, not for credit.  It's taught by parable and metaphor,
starting with a few warm-ups like "What do you do if you drop a 
quarter on Castro St?"

Mike Drayton
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Breeders and other epithets
Date: 23 Jul 92 05:44:55 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Jul21.160750.19179@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Bi the way, has anyone ever known a "bisexual" who is primarily
>homosocial (if you will)?  Every bisexual I know has a MOTOS on
>hir arm but also professes interest in MOTSS. :-)

Sometimes I wonder if people crosspost loaded messages, knowing the
people who hang out on their respective newsgroups are likely to
disagree with each other. Shit stirring.

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"You know, I don't mind gays, unless they flaunt it."

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"Do bisexuals really exist? They all just pretend to like motss."

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"Why don't monosexuals recognize bisexuals?"
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: atbowler@thinkage.on.ca (Alan Bowler)
Subject: Re: the b-word
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:14:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul13.061215.18692@wam.umd.edu> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>
>You may think me petty, I often am, but one of the things
>that has annoyed me the most in recent years--no, nearer
>outraged than annoyed--was those cute little signs hanging
>in car windows that said "Caution: Baby on Board!"

You are misinterpreting the sign.  It should be taken as a description
of the mental age of the driver. :-)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: walsh@starbd.enet.dec.com (Thomas Walsh)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Reply-To: walsh@starbd.enet.dec.com (Thomas Walsh)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:27:31 GMT


In article <1992Jul25.231038.4215@queernet.org>, rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.203833.28750@decvax.dec.com> walsh@starbd.enet.dec.com (Thomas Walsh) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul24.171336.24814@amhux2.amherst.edu>, twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>>They are attempting to pile the inequality that exists here and now
>>>upon their shoulders.
>>Of course whether or not they had any part in the creation of that inequality 
>>is totally irrelevant. Is that what your saying?? 
>
>Yes.  If they do not actively and visibly reject it and work to eliminate
>it, every minute of every day, you are recreating it and are to blame for
>it.  Becuase you benefit from it, you are more responsible to fix it than
>thise who are not.  Are you too stupid to understand the difference
>between responsibility and blame?

I hardly benefit from the fact that the rich have so much power.  Blaming me 
because I share certain chromosomes with some members of the piviledged
class is discriminatory.  
--
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Thomas Walsh 		walsh@via.enet.dec.com		Nashua, NH

:opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employers
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: Editor-in-Chief of THE ADVOCATE Resigns!
Organization: Youngstown State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:28:22 GMT

buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
: 
: The Los Angeles Times reported on Friday that Richard Rouillard,
: Editor-in-Chief of THE ADVOCATE, the national gay and lesbian bi-weekly,
: had stunned staffers by resigning on Thursday July 23.
: 
: No reason was given. Anyone hear about this and have any inside dish?
: 
I dunno, but my subscription has been VERY erratic, in fact, I've missed
getting at least one issue since they went perfect-bound.  Their delivery
wasn't that fantastic in the boonies of NE Ohio anyhow, and their billing
service for subscriptions also left much to be desired.

I'm seriously considering alternatives (but not sure what).  The "real
news" generally tends to hit soc.motss long before it shows up in print.
--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug
"Recession: your friend loses his job.  Depression: you lose your job.
Recovery: Bush loses his job" - Bill Davidsen
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: those problem hets
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:32:21 GMT

lmh44500@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire) writes:

>The only thing I've run into so far that I really don't like is "fish".
>I take all that sort of name thing with a grain of salt, because I have had
>more than enough run ins with people who act in a very negative and verbal 
>manner towards "that perverted" lifestyle.

I agree that 'fish' is really awful, but then I think that term's a lot
different from breeder, too.

>And just to throw my two cents in on another matter: I firmly believe
>that the "cause" of homosexuality is similar to that of schizophrenia,
>which is a combination of both genetics and environment.  There was an 
>Oprah show on which they had pairs of identical twins with mixed sexual
>orientations which (to me anyway) solidified my theory.  I don't think that
>anything can or will be done about it in the near future, and I don't think
>that anything SHOULD be done about it at all.  I'm surprised so many people
>object to it considering all the over population, starvation, etc there is
>in the world, but I guess that's sort of like the population control in 
>China.  Groups lobbyed Washington to pull "population control" measures
>in china due to planned parenthood "causing" abortions, (pro lifers) which
>in turn led to even MORE abortions going on in China due to a lower quality 
>of birth control.  Some things are just better left alone......

Good heavens!

--
John Dorrance    ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **    thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu

		I always thought of you as my brick wall
		   Built like an angel, six feet tall.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Spanish spelling
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:30:50 GMT

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>Featherstonehaugh	FAN-shaw

>Cholmondeley    CHUM-ley
>Wriothesley     RIZZ-ley
>Beaulieu        BEW-ley
>Belvoir         BEE-ver

Jesus. And they say us Americans are lazy... :)

--
John Dorrance    ** Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico **    thaaang@odin.unomaha.edu

		I always thought of you as my brick wall
		   Built like an angel, six feet tall.
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Reverse" discrimination by NAGAAA
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:16:42 GMT
 <1992Jul28.044049.8144@midway.uchicago.edu>
 <1674@aviary.Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM>
Organization: University of Maine System

my opinion of the "plight" of straight people who are not
wanted at NAGAAA functions?  sucks to be them, doesn't it...
little enough gayspace in the world as it is...  i'll be
perfectly happy for all-gay groups to stop "discriminating"
against hets when suitable laws are passed on a national level
banning discrimination based on sexual orientation, preference,
whathaveyou.  until then, drive on...

                                      -ailsa
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It's not what you got, it's what you give             \ PRIDE! /
And it ain't what it's not, but what it is.             \    /
(IO81409@maine.maine.edu or wang.com!ailanth!ailsa)       \/
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From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: Spanish spelling
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:16:12 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:


>In article <1992Jul20.195734.18374@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM
>(Henry Mensch) writes:

>>brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) wrote: 

>>>Aboriginal place names are notoriously
>>>deceptive as to accent:

>>which are, invariably, probably misspelt and mispronounced wrt their
>>original languages.

>Well, which is it: invariably or probably?

More at "often."  Sure they're anglicizations--but so are the names
most eastern U.S. place names, no?

--Brent
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From: SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk,soc.bi
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:02:18 GMT
Organization: Bad Grammar

In article <1992Jul23.185920.1606@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>
> Um; not sure if it really counts as a TV program or not, but there's reputedly
>a gay character on _Eldorado_, the new soap that the Beeb are foisting upon us
>three times a week. I've not seen him; I watched the first episode, and that
>was far, far, more than enough..
>
I happened to hit one of the episodes where he got a fair chunk of the
plot line -- he'd been beaten up and was trying to hide it from everyone,
was accused of running away from what he was by turning his back on the
gay movement and going out to there with his lover (since deceased) to 
live in peace.  I'm not quite sure what to make of it -- other than
stating the bleedin' obvious that the programme as a whole is well worth
avoiding.  The actor playing Freddie is bisexual in real life.

It's this sort of thing that makes me regret moving into a house with
a television (-8

> -- Fenthe (and it's got the /tackiest/ logo you've ever seen.. ick)
>
The voice-over for the trailers isn't much better....


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