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From: dennis.tuchler@travel.com (Dennis Tuchler) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Comm Pgms and DSZ,etc.
Date: 21 Nov 92 10:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: dennis.tuchler@travel.com (Dennis Tuchler) 

I understand that no comm program designed to work with OS/2 can use
an external protocol program like DSZ.  Is that correct?  Can a
person who prefers DSZ's Zmodem 90 to the pd version of Zmodem, and
also wants to be able to use HS/Link and Bimodem, use a DOS
communication program (eg Boyan 5) which cano use such external
protocol programs, under OS/2?
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
From: ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Trouble with Excel after SP
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:42:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: ritz.9211172327
Organization: Ritz International, Inc. - Import/Export Consultants
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Tracy L. Brooks (fireman@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu) wrote:
: Hi net folks,
: 
: 	After installing the service pak last week I thought my troubles
: would be over.  However, MS Excel refuses to run anymore.  I get a
: SYS3175 error, and have to kill it.  Excel worked fine before the SP so
: I suspect a bug in it.  Any work arounds or patches for this?
: 
: BTW.  This is Excel version 2.1, I have tried reinstalling but still no
: luck.  I'm running it on a 386-SX with 6Meg RAM.

That must be a 2.1 specific problem.  Excel 4.0 is running on my machine
with no problems whatsoever.  However, I'm worried that Msoft will
sneak in code in a future release designed to torpedo OS/2 as it has
been claimed they did with earlier versions of DOS to break Lotus 123.

Cheers,

Chris


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From: rkimmel@stein.u.washington.edu (Robert Kimmel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Comm Pgms and DSZ,etc.
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:22:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov22.002243.25437
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Nov21.180424.29855@wam.umd.edu> adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir) writes:
>>>also wants to be able to use HS/Link and Bimodem, use a DOS
>>>communication program (eg Boyan 5) which cano use such external
>>>protocol programs, under OS/2?
>
>Unfortunately, HS-Link does not seem to work under OS/2 at all.  For some
>reason, the transfer goes for about 16k and then thinks it's finished (??!)
>and says 'Transfer Complete'.  The last version I tried was 1.12.

I had no problem getting HS-Link to work under os/2.  used it with procomm plus.  but as I found a decent os/2 term program (hyper access) I'm no longer able to use it.
From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Need 3270 emulator
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:41:33 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <19921113.080604.327@almaden.ibm.com> KENKAHN@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM (Kenneth A. Kahn) writes:
>If all you need is a simply 3270, COAX attached, Emulator and you don't mind
>using a CUT Mode emulator, IBM has a product called "OS/2 Entry Level 3270
>Emulation Program".  It's a resident 16-bit OS/2 application that only takes
>up about 35K of memory.  Below is a brief description from Hone:

[Announcement deleted.]

Actually, when I co-oped at IBM, I tried CM, PC/3270 for Windows, and ELEP2. I
ended up sticking with PC/3270.  CM had simply too much overhead, and ELEP2 did
not offer as much in the way of features as PC/3270.

The 3270 emulation in CM is superb, and if you want/need DFT mode emulation in
a native OS/2 application, it is IBM's only offering.  What I'm saying is that
IBM should take CM's superb 3270 emulation and put it in a separate application
for those people who don't want/need the ES overhead, something like a PC/3270
for PM.  Now I'm sure that it would hurt ES sales, but it would sell pretty
well, I think.  FWIW, it wouldn't hurt if such a program were also 32-bit.
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From: hartzman@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Les Hartzman)
Subject: EZTape/PM Problems!  HELP!!
Followup-To: hartzman@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov
Keywords: eztape
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:08:44 GMT

I'm using the newest version of EZTape/PM for OS/2 2.0.  Pre-CSD, I was able to
backup my OS/2 partition without any problems.  Now, I can't get the thing
to backup without dying.  It dies after just a few minutes of operation, never
in the same place twice.

If I'm backing up an HPFS partition, the whole system dies to the point where 
the mouse pointer won't even move.  If I backup a FAT partition, the only 
difference is that the mouse pointer DOES move.  In either case, the system
is dead as a doornail.

I've tried both the Irwin delivered IBM2FLPY driver, as well as the CSD 
version.  No difference.

BTW, the tape drive is an A250.

Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Les



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From: pfr@drsrv1.hmi.de (Fritsch_Wolfgang)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: need a good graphics program
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:37:29 GMT
Organization: Hahn-Meitner-Institut Berlin GmbH

kdorma@ravana.eche.ualberta.ca (Kevin Dorma) writes:

>I'm looking for a good graphics program, something for sprucing up graphs and
>making cool diagrams.   My supervisor does the graphing bit with Gnuplot and
>Adobe Illustrator on the NeXT.  I think it is overkill, though.  A really good 
>2D/3D graphing package would be an alternative.  Any suggestions?

I am using AXUM by TriMetric, Seattle, WA, for technical graphs like
2D and 3D representations of data. It exists only for DOS but runs
great under OS/2 too. Actually better since OS/2 seems to administer
memory requirements very well for this program. As they say, better Dos
than Dos... The support by the company is also exceptionally well, prompt
reply to inquiries by fax.

Wolfgang Fritsch
pfr@psun2.hmi.de
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From: stanton@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Stanton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: "ftp: connect: Connection refused" message trying to FTP from hobbes
Date: 21 Nov 1992 04:54:07 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: haas.berkeley.edu

Not strictly an application question, but it's slightly related. Today,
every time I've tried to connect with hobbes.nmsu.edu using FTP, I get
the message

ftp: connect: Connection refused    

However, this only happens when I try to connect from one particular machine.
If I TELNET from there to another, then try FTP, it works fine. What's going
on? Has my computer been blacklisted?

Richard Stanton




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From: mathelmr@nuscc.nus.sg (Helmer Aslaksen)
Subject: End of paragraph in EPM
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:20:33 GMT

The Norton Editor treats a line starting with \ as the end of a
paragraph. This is very convenient when editing TeX files. Is there
some way of telling epm to do this? The word wrap in epm always ends up
messing up my TeX file.

Please respond by e-mail, and I will post a summary.
--
Helmer Aslaksen
Department of Mathematics
National University of Singapore
Singapore 0511
Republic of Singapore
mathelmr@nuscc.nus.sg
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From: weinkam@fraser.sfu.ca (James Lawrence Weinkam)
Subject: Re: Growing OS2SYS.INI probable cause?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:06:46 GMT

josephc@cco.caltech.edu (Joseph Chiu) writes:

>I just got off the phone with IBM trying to get a handle on why there is
>an LPT1: conflict with one of my programs.  (It appears to be a vestige
>of dongle code that was somehow left in the product...  It isn't supposed
>to need a dongle, though...)

>Anways, I offhandedly mentioned my OS2SYS.INI growth to the tech on the
>line and he asked: "Do you leave apps open when you shut down?"

>According to him, that will cause the growth of the OS2SYS.INI...   According
>to what he said, OS/2 preserves the "state" of the system at shutdown,
>thus causing the growth of the INI file.  If apps are closed prior to
>shutdown, this is not supposed to happen.

>This sounds plausible.  I'm going to test this theory out over the next
>few days...  It certainly explains the increased disk access during
>shutdowns.

I don't think this is the only cause of the growth.  I have noticed that
if you use editini from watson to remove something from an ini file, the
ini file actually gets larger rather than smaller.  There seems to be
a problem in the routine that is supposed to delete stuff from the ini
files that make them grow. 

I noticed this when I decided that I wanted to test out all the stuff in
a program I was writing.  I needed to make sure all the default settings
would work, but some stuff it would only set to default if it did
not load them from the ini files.  I decided to quickly write a program
to delete its settings from the ini file, and noticed that the ini file
got larger.  I thought that I had done something wrong, and so I used
the debugger to make sure that I had all the right parameters when calling 
the functions to delete from the ini.  Everything was set just as the 
docs said it should be.  I then found the editini program on watson,
and used it to remove some settings from the ini file, and it too made
it grow.  I assume from this that the error would most likely be in OS/2
and not in my program, or in editini.

Hope they fix this one.

James Weinkam
From: pvanmeur@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Pim van Meurs)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: DCF/2
Date: 22 Nov 92 08:57:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

This is about DCF/2. Does anyone have more information about this
diskcompressor ? Does it support HPFS ? How transparent is it ? Easy
of instal ? etc etc

Pim van Meurs
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From: rkimmel@stein.u.washington.edu (Robert Kimmel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Service pack bugs?
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:44:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov17.134407.10151
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <DAOFFER.92Nov16161642@dewey.cc.utexas.edu> daoffer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Debora Offer) writes:
>On the subject of service pack bugs...
>
>I use the 800x600 display driver for STB that is on ftp-os2. Under
>the GA it had some minor bugs but I could live with that.  When I
>installed the SP, my minor bugs became major.  Now when I open
>settings the tabs to the right are hashed.  I can still see the
>arrows at the bottom and I can get to the other pages but it is
>a scary situation.  What else is broken that might ruin my day?
>--
>
>\__ __/          Debora    daoffer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu           \__ __/
>   T any opinions expressed are mine, not necessarily my employers T

The only people I heard had trouble like that was people that installed
the display drivers using dspinstal.exe instead of selective install.

are you one of those?
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Procomm Plus 2.01 bug located and cured...
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:56:42 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

I don't know if anybody else has run across this bug or not, but I
found it and a solution:

Since installing the service pack (XR-6055) Procomm plus would cause
problems.  I would launch it from its migrated icon, it would run
fine.  And the next session I launched after quitting PCPLUS would
crash the system.  (everything running, but mouse and keyboard being
ignored).

Well, I found that this problem didn't occur if I launched PCPLUS from
an already-running DOS session.  The settings for the icon and the DOS
session matched, though.  I re-migrated PCPLUS (and all my other DOS
and Windows apps, just to make sure) and replaced the icons with the
newly-migrated ones.  The problem seems to have completely
disappeared.

So, if anyone has problems with OS/2 crashing after exitting DOS
sessions, I suggest you delete your program icons for these apps and
migrate them into WPS a second time.  Apparantly, something in the GA
release (XR-2000) messed up some of the program's EA's or INI
settings, which clobbered XR-6055.  Re-migrating cured everything.
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Service pack bugs?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:48:09 GMT

In article <DAOFFER.92Nov16161642@dewey.cc.utexas.edu> daoffer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Debora Offer) writes:
>On the subject of service pack bugs...
>I use the 800x600 display driver for STB that is on ftp-os2. Under
>the GA it had some minor bugs but I could live with that.  When I
>installed the SP, my minor bugs became major.  Now when I open
>settings the tabs to the right are hashed.  I can still see the
>arrows at the bottom and I can get to the other pages but it is
>a scary situation.  What else is broken that might ruin my day?

You'll probably want to use the Tseng 4000 driver included with the
Service Pak instead of STB's.  Use Selective Install to get them
installed.  You can choose among 640x480-256, 800x600-256, and
1024x768-256.

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From: weinkam@fraser.sfu.ca (James Lawrence Weinkam)
Subject: Re: Logitech's Scanman and OS2 Support
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:27:25 GMT

rjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald Jones) writes:

>I use my scanman with Logitech's DOS software. Works fine in a VDM! You
>can then import the file inot Ansel or Phototouch for editing.

You can also do the scanning with the windows programs if you start windows
in real mode.  There is an incompatibility with standard mode win-os2 and
the scanner making the scanner not function correctly, but real mode does
not have the incompatibility.

James Weinkam
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From: rem5156@zeus.tamu.edu (The Doctor)
Subject: Re: Comm Pgms and DSZ,etc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:41:00 GMT

In article <4840.361.uupcb@travel.com>, dennis.tuchler@travel.com (Dennis Tuchler) writes...
>I understand that no comm program designed to work with OS/2 can use
>an external protocol program like DSZ.  Is that correct?  Can a
>person who prefers DSZ's Zmodem 90 to the pd version of Zmodem, and
>also wants to be able to use HS/Link and Bimodem, use a DOS
>communication program (eg Boyan 5) which cano use such external
>protocol programs, under OS/2?
>--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
>    

It is allowable to use a DOS communications program with external protocols...
I sometimes use Telix with HS/Link.



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From: goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL)
Subject: Comment & ? about BC++ for OS/2
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:46:50 GMT

I just received a letter today from Borland.

It was in response to the letter I sent them stating that I am only 
interested in an OS/2 version of Quattro Pro after they mailed me an
offer for Quattro Pro for Windows.

Anyways, I got a reply in only 2 weeks!

To get to the point:
They said they have not decided whether or not to make QP for OS/2.
That Objectvision 2.0 for OS/2 is shipping.

And here's the part that gets me: (quoted directly)
"However we have announced the soon to be available Borland C++ for Win32
built for OS/2."

First off, I thought people here were denying Borland has announced BC++
for OS/2?

Secondly, does this mean BC++ for OS/2 will just give you Win32 code?
Isn't Win32 the name of the API for NT?

Thanks.

Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.apps:8409 comp.os.os2.programmer:6521
From: dlewis@Blue.Kludge.COM (David Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: Printing OS/2 V1.3 Screen
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 12:35:33 PST
Organization: 'Lectrick Blue!, Moraga CA

os2man@panix.com (Larry Salomon Jr.) writes:

> In <1992Nov12.091954.1039@beckman.com> rariedel@beckman.com (Bob Riedel) writ
> 
> >Does anyone know of a way to capture the screen of an OS/2 1.3 workstation
> >into a .BMP or printable file? Is there any commercial or public domain
> >software around to do this?
> 
There are two shareware programs needed to do this. One called Nikon.zip 
has programs to capture the screen image to the Clipboard. A second 
program, like PMdraw, can then paste the image in and create the bitmap 
file. I used the version of Nikon for OS/2 1.3 with no problems.
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From: awadh@philips.oz.au (Awadh Pandey)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 11:20:46 GMT
Organization: Philips Public Telecommunications Systems, Melbourne, Australia
Subject: comm software for os2 needed

I am using OS/2 Terminal programm (comes with OS/2 package) with my modem.
It does not support zmodem.Could any body please take some time to tell,  
whether there is any OS/2 comm software which supports zmodem and runs 
in OS/2 2.0 ?Please write ftp site and directory.
	Thanks in advance.

	Awadh
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From: kdorma@ravana.eche.ualberta.ca (Kevin Dorma)
Subject: any opinions on C/C++ ?
Organization: Dept. of Chemical Engineering, University of Alberta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:42:10 GMT

Me again.

I am looking for a C/C++ package.  My primary use is program development
in a nice environment.  The real number munching would be done on a RISC
machine with X-windows.  Code portability is a major concern.  I have 
Borland C++ 2.0 for DOS and find it OK except I run out of memory occasionally
(silly 1Mb data limit) and I would like to program a graphical interface.  
I just read a post about BC++ for OS/2; looks good.  What about Gnu?
Any other options?

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kdorma@ravana.eche.ualberta.ca    | What's yours?
Ph.D. type of student             | 
Dept. of Chemical Engineering     | Don't look at my disclaimer, your's
University of Alberta             | is much more interesting.
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Service Pak, which one is latest?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:40:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.043103.18364@news.columbia.edu> mig@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Meir I Green) writes:
>Does anyone know why IBM doesn't do "diff"s instead of another 18/21 disks?
>I just read in the readme file that if you want to do something such as add
>a new printer under WIN-OS/2 you must reinstall GA, make the changes, and
>reapply the SP!

Why no diffs?  Well, because many systems have ad hoc patches
(remember all those, "Oh, you want the COM.SYS patch, available via
anonymous ftp from software.watson.ibm.com..."?)  Doing byte diffs on
such permutations would be a nightmare.

>When is the *real* version coming out?
>Can I get it on CD-ROM?
>:-(

They'll probably do a production code update sometime in December (I
expect; nothing official).  They'll probably call that "Refresh Level
2.00.1."  As for CD-ROM, you can already get OS/2 2.0 there (via the
PDK CD-ROM or the Ultimedia CD-ROM -- I list the part number for the
latter in the FAQ List).  You'll hear more about CD-ROM distribution
in the future, no doubt.

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From: rovero@attu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Josh Rovero)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Borland C++ OS/2 Beta
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:20:56 GMT
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

The beta testers are under non-disclosure agreements.  All they can
say is that there *is* a beta program.  But, hey, you knew that.

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From: kitchin@avo.hp.com (Bruce Kitchin)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Compuserve HELP !!! 
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:42:45 GMT

Compuserve does not send two or more files at once.  What Golden Compass
does is download the messages to be read at full speed into files.  You then
interact with the message reader and those files.  While reading, you can
compose replies or new messages which will be sent at a later time (normally
at your request but it can be based on a timed event you set up).  While you
are reading and writing messasges, you can have another part of the program
downloading files from the libraries.  You can be reading messages from
one forum while it completing the job of getting messages from the other
forums on your list.  Another useful feature is that you can ask it to
download the message headers and then based on the subject line, ask it
to download the full text of the messages you select.  Golden Compass
is inspired by TapCis.  One of the basic philosophies of both is that
all online activity (unless you select to go online interactively) is done
as fast as possible with human interaction being done offline.  This is
in strong contrast with CIM from Compuserve which gives you a nice (opinions
vary) user interface but keeps the connection up while you are reading,
writing or interacting and the online charges keep mounting.  By using
the multitasking feature of OS/2, Golden Compass allows you to be doing
one thing while some of the online operations that you've requested are
being completed.

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