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From: barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: So happy (Dragons and such)
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:21:15 GMT
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland

tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus) writes:
>   
>   If "you look long enough", there's probably a Porcelain Dragon style, 
>   too, and maybe a Porcelain God one as well, if you look long enough.  
>   There are nearly as many styles of kung fu as there are Chinese ;-)
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Probably _more_.... ;^)

		Barry.
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From: Kim Holburn <kim@csc.canberra.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Martial Artists
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A701FE4DB20105C3@taiji.canberra.edu.au>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 14 Oct 92 00:41:49 GMT
Organization: University of Canberra
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 06:22:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.214438.21968@exu.ericsson.se> New Dave,
exudms@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>protein among other essentials. This may not "bulk you up", but if you
>are danerously thin and a vegetatian, you are probably missing alot of
>much needed protein in your diet.
>
>Dofu fried, boiled, or how ever you cook it replaces meats very well.
>Some people, and alot of westerners may not like it, but I would think
>that those people probably rely on or crave meats in their diet.

While it is possible that a vegan doesn't get enough protein, it is
unusual. Our western diet has much more protein than necessary. Sometimes
it is the balance of essential amino acids that is lacking. Soybeans
(Dofu) and amaranth are good sources of the essential amino acids that
are not normally so abundant in non-animal foods (I forget which amino
acids they are). There are some (essential) vitamins that are rather rare
in a vegan diet, especially B12.
Body/muscle size is not necessarily an indication of strength or speed.

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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Karate style in 'Karate Kid' movie trilogy?
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:22:37 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <MARY.92Oct12154154@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Last of the Mohawkians) scrawls:
>
>In article <1992Oct12.173013.2298@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Snotnosed AI Masquerading for a Human) writes:
>
>   Actually, I'm pretty sure the "bad guys" in the third flick were
>   TKDistas,  which (he says ducking for cover) seems perfectly apropos ;-).
>
>   Steve
>
>You don't have to duck far, Steve...remember, TKDists are incapable of
>kicking below the eyebrows.

Pfft...your two tawl two  kik gud.

Knave!

Steve
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From: chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung)
Subject: Tae Kwan Do and the Kwans no more?
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:49:54 GMT

Hello all!  For those out there in netland, I currently taking Tae Kwan Do
at my college club.  The style they teach is Chung Do Kwan.  Recently I
was told by a student outside our club, that there are no more kwans and
that there is just one "unified" TKD.  This standarizes the accepted forms
(hyoungs?).  Is this true?

In addtion, what consequence does this have on a student who is not a
black bel and goes to another school where they do the current forms?  Would
the student have to start from white again?

I have also noticed that some of the forms in Chung Do Kwan are very similar
and maybe even identical (must be my untrained eye) to those in "Karate-Do
Kyohan" by Funakoshi of Shotokan.  Any connection here?

-F.



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From: leiwo@phoenix (Jussi Leiwo)
Subject: Re: Taido/Hakamas(hopping)
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:44:35 GMT

Well, it seems like hakamas we use in taido are a little bit different than 
those used in aikido. The main difference is (I suppose) that hakamas in taido
are not as large as in aikido. I think they are much better when moving than
these traditional white ones used in t.ex. karate.

We have a special way to move in taido, that means we have eight special
movements, called unsoku happo, that we are supposed to use. The purpose of
unsoku happo is:
	1.  It's much more difficult to hit you when you are moving
	2.  When you are moving around your opponent it's easier to hit him/her
	3.  In unsoku happo you are moving as covered as possible, and you are
	    in good balance all the time.

In taido we are also supposed to use air in our moving, there are lots of
jumping kicks and the class of teqhnicues that makes taido as shownig as it is,
call tengi. There are movements from gymnastics ( of course done in taido way)
like volts and that kind of things. Actually this class of teqhnicues (how 
should that be spelled ?) is very difficult for me and to many other tall 
taidokas (I'm 1.93 m.), but it also is very interesting.

So, in taido moving we are supposed to use all three dimensions, and in that
large (not as large as in aikido) hakamas are extremy good.

Thanks again for your interest.

--Jussi
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Under Siege
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:08:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1bfds8INN50e
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Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
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In article <1992Oct12.214459.3365@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>In article <BvzA0x.4r8@news.iastate.edu> twh73@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>>Has anyone seen Seagal's new movie Under Siege?  IMHO t is the best one 
>
>	Saw it last night.  It is by far the slickest production.  The story
>	line is good if not really too close to plausability.
>

true, but it seems to me that all these movies are headed towards being generic
'die hard' clones. guns and bombs, guns and missiles; i guess there are
freudian implications there somewhere.

what i really liked about segals first movie was the opening aikido scene.
marked for death had some interesting techniques, but his latest (except for a
few smooth tenkan movements) hadn't a whole lot of aikido. there was a gruesome
looking irimi movement ending with a throat rip technique (for the
bloodthirsty)...

here is a senario i would like s.s. to try for his next movie:
set in japan after WWII. american in japan since the 1920's. american wants to
open an aikido dojo. local yakuza want a shakedown. local martial artists don't
want/like american. lot of tension. lot of aikido, aikijujutsu, kenjutsu, 
karate-do. some fight scenes in slow motion. american falls in love with the
wife/sister/daughter of yukuza boss. more tension. kind of like _shogun_ or
_sayonara_ set in 1945.

now *that* would be a fun movie.

-mukund
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From: cschum@engin.umich.edu (Corey Joseph Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu Masters
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 09:54:40 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <MARY.92Oct14220351@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct14.214128.10446@cs.tulane.edu> smith@cs.tulane.edu (Lon Smith) writes:
>
>   Ha all, 
>
>   First a little background, in the late 1940's four promanent master 
>   flead China and went to Korea. 
>
>Out of curiosity, why on earth did they flee China for Korea at that 
>particular point in history?  From what I've heard, at that point most
>migration was in the other direction (i.e., away from the Japanese, who
>had very much indeed occupied Korea, and into China, where they were 
>more thinly spread).
>
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If it was LATE 1940'2, WWII was well over and they were
probably fleeing the Communist take-over of mainland China.

Corey
From: princecr@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Lookin for books on Goju
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:46:07 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Oct5.141952.1@auvax1.adelphi.edu>, jose@auvax1.adelphi.edu writes:
> I am looking for any books that discuss either U.S.A. Goju or any other form of
> Goju (Okinawan, Korean, etc.).  Please mail me this information.  
> Thank you
> 
	The best book is GoJu-Ryu Karate-Do by Gogen Yamaguchi.  For the
limited english editions some might be found from Masters Publications or 
Don Warrener both out Hamilton Ontario.  Don't have the address but it some
of his Dojo might be listed in the back of Black Belt Magizine or Super Kids
which is also sometimes in the back of BB magizine might be able to help.

						chris

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From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Usability of shuko and sai (was Re: cat claws / shuko)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 18:53:06 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
Distribution: world
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In article <Bw78FH.96s@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
|> 
|> But you're probably right, sai, along with lots of other MA weapons, can't be
|> carried around.  But what MA weapon really can?  Wouldn't even carrying a stick
|> or nunchaku be somewhat difficult?  What IS a good MA weapon to carry around,
|> and that is effective?

A properly trained mind and body.  If that isn't enough, I opt
for a short but sturdy cane/hanbo.


Incidentally, just for arguments sake, I know someone who always
carrie around two or three shuriken and has used them on occasion.
They are not however legal in all states.  Canes usually are.

	Shai
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From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")
Subject: Akido -vs- Akijitsu 
Distribution: world
Organization: IE Technical Services Holland
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 14:16:41 +0000


In article <BvK0uF.FnA.2@cs.cmu.edu> mh4e@frc.ri.cmu.edu writes:

>
>
>In article 22270@gn.ecn.purdue.edu, psun@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter C. Sun)> writes:
>>
>>       Can someone please explain to me the difference between Akido
>>       and Akijitsu? A local school teaches Akijitsu which i'm
>>       completely unfamiliar with... what are the differences?
>
>
>The are very similar and yet very different (how about that for a straight
>answer). Aikido comes from AikiJujutsu. They both use the "aiki" principle
>in their techniques, and most of the techniques look very similar. Generally,
>Aikido stresses personal enlightenment (Aikido is described by many of its
>practitioners as a way of life and not just a martial art) whereas AikiJu-
>jutsu is more combat oriented. Watching the two, aikijujutsu is a little
>harder on both Uki and Tori.
>
>- Mike

I would agree with 90% of what Mike has said.  There are though some
very important points which he has missed out.  Aikido looks to and
is derived from the teachings of Uyeshiba.  Aiki Ju Jitsu is derived
from the Aiki teachings in the classic Ju Jitsu Ryu which were
associated with Ken Jutsu Rye, e.g. Daito and Hagan.  As a result they
generally have a much wider range of techniques that are found in
pure Aikido and often have a strong weapons bias.

An example of this can be seen with the technique Osotogeri, which is
a classical Judo, Ju Jitsu technique.  I have never come across this
in an Aikido environment but it is taught in Aiki Ju Jitsu, but with
a strong Aiki element in the technique.

I disagree with Mike's last remark about Aiki Ju Jitsu being a little
harder on both Uki and Tori.  If it is taught properly it should be
no different to Classical Aikido with respect to hardness.  Unfortunately
a lot of people now doing Aiki Ju Jitsu think they must make it hard
to diffirentiate it from Aikido.  When I was training in both some
twenty years ago I used to look forward to the Aiki Ju Jitsu as a
rest from the hard Aikido I was doing!

Nigel

>
>
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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: history of daito-ryu aikijujutsu
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:12:04 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <MHIRSCH.92Oct15113347@atomic.princeton.edu> mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>>>>>> On 14 Oct 92 20:36:48 GMT, sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) said:
>
>Steve> In article <1bhjq0INN8vk@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>>a while ago someone posted a long history od daito ryu aikijujutsu. 
>>in a nutshell it said that the daito-ryu was founded by minamoto
>>yoshimitsu in 1100 a.d.
>>
>>i recently came across another 'version' of the daito ryu, in a book
>>written by john stevens (and renjiro shirata) called _the way of 
>>harmony_.
> 
>[much deleted]
>
>Steve> Stevens has quite a reputation as a scholar - although it was
>Steve> somewhat tarnished by the errors he made in _Abundant_Peace_
>Steve> (which managed to simultaneously provoke the Aikikai and the
>Steve> Daitokan). One hopes he was more careful with this work. I
>Steve> assume it's published by Shamballa, right?
>
>I have heard that Stevens pissed people off with his history, but
>never any specifics.  Out of curiosity, why were the  Aikikai people
>so angered?

There was a two article series in _Aiki_News_ where Kisshomaru Ueshiba
and a representative of the Daitokan responded to  specific misstatements
in _Abundant_Peace_ shortly after its publications.  I've got it *somewhere*, 
but I'm not sure precisely where...

Steve
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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: JUDO - Fighting for grip
Summary: Slap-and-catch tactic ?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 13 OCT 92 16:15:16    


>>My only serious strategy so far has been to ignore the flailing 
>>hands and act like a tank, advancing on the person till I get 
>>some kind of hold and then hanging on and not letting them get 
>>away again.
> 
>>This isn't much of a strategy.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I 
>>don't really want to play the same silly game.  I just want to get 
>>on with the Judo.

I'm not a Judoka, so maybe this is off the wall, but ...
Another strategy besides _tank_ is _deflection_, similar to what you tried to 
do with karate-style blocks, but the mechanics in karate are all wrong for this
use.  You probably want something closer to what fencers do to disengage
blades, rather than angling through the opponent's arms with massive hip power. 

What you might want is to develop more of a 'slap-and-catch' type of 
tactic, where you slap the hand sharply on the wrist or back of the hand,
to remove it from a line of engagement, and at the same time, grab it with
the other hand and drag the opponent slightly to the side.  You might
then be able to get a grip with one hand and then work the other hand on.

The overall effect I'm picturing would be something like a trapping drill
from Filipino or Chinese martial arts, but with the express purpose of
getting hands free to grip rather than to strike.  Principles should
be similar, though ?   It seems to me that LeBell shows a simple version
of 'slap-and-catch' in his recent books on grappling.

						for what it's worth,

						todd

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From: la@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Lewis Alderton)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Akido -vs- Akijitsu
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:42:23 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

In article <718677830snx@ietech.demon.co.uk>, nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst") writes:
> 
> In article <memo.673219@cix.compulink.co.uk> quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
> 
> >
> >In-Reply-To: <718208201snx@ietech.demon.co.uk> nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel> G. Backhurst")
> >
> >>
> >> I would agree with 90% of what Mike has said.  There are though some
> >> very important points which he has missed out.  Aikido looks to and
> >> is derived from the teachings of Uyeshiba.  Aiki Ju Jitsu is derived
> >> from the Aiki teachings in the classic Ju Jitsu Ryu which were
> >> associated with Ken Jutsu Rye, e.g. Daito and Hagan.  As a result they
> >> generally have a much wider range of techniques that are found in
> >> pure Aikido and often have a strong weapons bias.
> >>
> >
> >At the Dojo I train at which follows Aikido as taught by Saito, there is
> >a lot of emphasis on the weapons training and the link between armed and
> >unarmed techniques.
> 
> So far as I know all the classical Aikido styles have a lot of
> emphasis on weapons.  This though tends to confined to the Jo,
> Bo, Ken and Nagatana.  There is some variation in this with some
> style using more than others and some having additional weapons.
> 
> In Aiki Ju Jitsu there is a much stronger connection with weapons
> with a wider range being used.   A lot of the Katas are weapon taking.
> 
> >Surely the link between Ueshiba and Daito Ryu is quite strong.
> >
> Yes, Ueshiba studied Daito Ryu and much of modern Aikido is
> derived from the Daito Ryu style of Aiki Ju Jitsu.
> 
> >
> Nigel
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I would disagree with the statement that all classical Aikido styles have a lot of
emphasis on weapons, certainly in Britain there are very few instructors with any
degree of competence in weaponry and understanding of the link between Tai-jutsu and
weapons is very rare. I myself follow a style similar to Saito Sensei, but from the
little Aiki Ju Jitsu I have seen there appears to be no common ground between weapons
and open hand technique, where as in Aikido the emphasis is always on a blend of the
two styles of practice.
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Under Siege
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:43:59 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1bfds8INN50e@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.214459.3365@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>>In article <BvzA0x.4r8@news.iastate.edu> twh73@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>>>Has anyone seen Seagal's new movie Under Siege?  IMHO t is the best one 
>>
>>	Saw it last night.  It is by far the slickest production.  The story
>>	line is good if not really too close to plausability.
>>
>
>true, but it seems to me that all these movies are headed towards being generic
>'die hard' clones. guns and bombs, guns and missiles; i guess there are
>freudian implications there somewhere.
>
>here is a senario i would like s.s. to try for his next movie:
>set in japan after WWII. american in japan since the 1920's. american wants to
>open an aikido dojo. local yakuza want a shakedown. local martial artists don't
>want/like american. lot of tension. lot of aikido, aikijujutsu, kenjutsu, 
>karate-do. some fight scenes in slow motion. american falls in love with the
>wife/sister/daughter of yukuza boss. more tension. kind of like _shogun_ or
>_sayonara_ set in 1945.
>
>now *that* would be a fun movie.

Hmmm...how about:

Set in Japan just after WWII. American who was orphaned in Japan and adopted
by Japanese family (who taught him martial arts before smuggling him out of the
country right before Pearl Harbor) returns and finds himself implicated in a
gruesome series of "karate murders". Movie climaxes with a big fight scene 
between the American (good guy of course - this *is* Hollywood!) and the
bad guy - who happens to be the xenophobic smuggler son of the family
that adopted the hero. In the course of the fight, the bad guy reveals that
he murdered his own sister for polluting herself by secretly marrying the
gaijin. The title of this movie is "Karate - The Hand of Death", it was 
made in (I think) the 60's. Terrible film...a real turkey, except for the
newsreel footage of Nakayama and Nishiyama at the JKA headquarters dojo that
is spliced into the middle. The scene where the American registers his hands
at the police station is a real hoot -

Desk Sergeant (looking at knuckles the size of basketballs) : Henh...karate-do
		o renshu shimashita (hmmm...you have trained karate).

American: Hai godan desu (Yup, I'm a 5th dan)

Desk sergeant falls out of his chair (literally!) in astonishment.

The pratfall is as good as anything Buster Keaton ever did...

Drink *lots* of beer before you rent this one...

Steve
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From: cschum@engin.umich.edu (Corey Joseph Schumacher)
Subject: Re: the FAQ
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 09:53:16 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: FAQ

In article <guay.719023422@sfu.ca> guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay) writes:
>Some poster a few dozen messages ago mentioned this group's FAQ. Where
>can I locate said beast?
>
>===============================================================================
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I'd like to know too!
Somebody please post the info.              

Corey
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Usability of shuko and sai (was Re: cat claws / shuko)
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:46:45 GMT
	<1bmlifINN79k@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU's message of 16 Oct 92 15:02:39 GMT


In article <1bmlifINN79k@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer) writes:


   >But you're probably right, sai, along with lots of other MA weapons, can't be
   >carried around.  But what MA weapon really can?  Wouldn't even carrying a stick
   >or nunchaku be somewhat difficult?  What IS a good MA weapon to carry around,
   >and that is effective?

	If you dressed it up to look like a walking stick, a Jo can 
   be rather inconspicuous.  Tonfa or folding Kama fit under a 
   trenchcoat.  Guissari will fit in a (largish) pocket (or in the 
   butt of a Guissari-Kama).

							 -- TTK

Hey, my sensei's got a couple of jo that are slightly warped -- enough
that he doesn't want to practice with them.  He just shrugged and
said, "They're walking sticks now."  Anyone want to buy a slightly
warped white oak jo that will make a really great walking stick
and a not half bad jo?

For that matter, my jo's slightly warped too...but that one's not
for sale.  It's got a lot of...stuff...in it.  
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From: nigel@ietech.demon.co.uk ("Nigel G. Backhurst")