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From: ep502ca@pts.mot.com (CHARLES ACTOR X2922 P7091)
Subject: Snowboard Setup
Reply-To: ep502ca@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:26:12 GMT

Just wanted to see if anyone had any opinion on using cants with snowboard bindings.
Doe they help at all?  I'm learning and just do basic freeriding.  Do you use them
on both front and back or just back?  Do you have to redrill the board to use them?
I have a Kemper 155 F/S with Kemper Alpine bindings.  What are the usual stance
widths and front and back angles for the bindings?

Thanks in advance!
Chuck
From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:36:33 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Dec16.052833.12053@netcom.com>, mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier) writes:
|> 				.....  Something tells me that it nver
|> hurts to use high-end stuff, even if you're learning... 

 There are several different sorts of high-end equipment. It won't
hurt to use expensive "recreational" equipment, although you may not
appreciate the advantages that it offers but some modern "racing"
equipment is quite technical and unforgiving to ski on- it will
end up highlighting technique problems & be difficult to relax & enjoy.
 It can be very difficult to work out into which category a given ski
fits, this is compounded by the way that they are marketed
(A breakthrough! The race-winning ski that anyone can use!) and is
the reason that everyone recommends that you demo skis before buying.

|> 	..... does one have to be at a certain level in order to properly
|> use stiffer skis & boots????

 There's something to be said for having boots which flex easily until
you get your balance/coordination together. otherwise you'll get thrown
around by the bumps which will make it harder to balance & bruise your
shins. They should still fit snugly, though.

 Some ski-rental operations will let you rent "quality" skis at a
premium price, this can be a good way to experiment if you can't arrange
to demo skis or don't want to waste skiing time faffing around at a
demo. It all depends on your circumstances.

	W.

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From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing in Scotland
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:05:54 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Distribution: uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <2630@eagle.ukc.ac.uk>, sc7@ukc.ac.uk (S.Chan) writes:
|> Hi,
|> Can anyone tell me if it is a good idea to go up to Scotland for
|> skiing around the Christmas/New Year period?

 Realistically, the answer for you is probably no. Unless you have
cheap accomodation nearby it will cost you nearly as much to ski in
Scotland as it will to ski abroad (say, Andorra?) and the weather, snow
conditions, access to the slopes etc. are likely to be far better
elsewhere. Having said that, Scotland is a good place to be at hogmanay
and there are some advantages to skiing here- excellent, english
speaking instructors, for example and a familiarity with difficult
conditions which will stand you in good stead in the future.

 The weather has some other implications: if you intend to ski whenever
you can (rather than whenever the weather is nice) you will be far more
comfortable if you are wearing the sort of (generally British made)
skiwear which is total overkill for the continent, or similar quality
outdoor wear (a Barbour is often more appropriate than a cheap "Ski"
jacket :-).

|> What are the ski resorts in Scotland? Is there enough snow
|> around this time? Where can I get more information as to
|> the opening days, accommodation and etc.?

 There are five ski centres in Scotland, several currently have skiable
snow which will hopefully last the season. The snow was unusually early
this year and it looks as if it may be a good season.

 Mail me if you still want more info.

|> Thanks a lot for the information.

 No problem, hope it is useful.

	W.
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From: mhartzel@melbourne.cba.du.edu (Mark_Hartzell)
Subject: Re: Colorado Avalanche Information
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 02:48:58 GMT

In article <122930222@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John  
Byrnes) writes:
> > 
> > Heard my first report of an avalanch fatality in Colo. this weekend.
> >
> 
> Actually, this is the third.  Two Colorado Mtn School guides were killed
> in Rocky Mountain Nat Park during that big snowstorm in November.  There
> were many huge avalanches at the time; no one knows which one they're 
> buried under.
> 
> John
I skied Loveland today(12-11-92), and there were a bunch of recent slides.   
Be careful in the backcountry this weekend.
Mark_Hartzell@denver.cba.du.edu
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From: steve@caboom.cbm.dec.com (Steve Katz)
Subject: My poor Skis
Keywords: Cruch Snap
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:24:14 GMT

--------------
My skis fell off the rack they were in and landed in the middle of
the highway during rush hour.  The rear of one binding was ripped
completly off the ski.  The side wall was cracked and the edge twisted.
The other ski escaped with less damage, having only the brake of the binding
crushed.

The ski shop I took them to is sending the bindings back to the manufacturer
to see if they can be rebuilt.  Also they are checking with ski maker to see if they could rebuild or supply me with a matching ski.  The cost of this being less then replace the equipment which was a little over a year old.

I am posting this note for two reasons:

1) To remind everyone of the importance of checking to make sure equipment
   is properly secured.  (I am very happy they did not go threw someones 
   windshield.)

2) To ask advice concerning the situation.  Is there anything else I should
   do?  Has anything like this ever happened to you?
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From: shafla@is.morgan.com (Sharon Flanagan)
Subject: x-country skiing/Detriot area
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:16:04 GMT

I have a friend (without net access) who will be going to
Detriot next week.  She'd like to get in some x-country
skiing.  Can anyone recommend areas withing a few hours
drive?	

Thanks for your help
Sharon
shafla@is.morgan.com
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From: jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End)
Subject: Telluride: Christmas Dinner ?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:08:12 GMT


Hey gang,

Heading to Telluride this weekend for the week before Christmas. Where should 
we have the big Christmas Eve dining experience ? What about the best
watering holes ?

Is there anything else I should not miss ? Any hidden resorts nearby ? Unusual
recreation (eg. sensory dep tanks, laser light shows, rodeos, ect.).

snow updates welcome as well.

thanks much
Yeeeeaaahahhhhhhhhhhhh !


Jim

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From: marc@mercutio.ultra.com (Marc Kwiatkowski {Host Software-AIX})
Subject: Re: How to parallel in  powder on pins
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 00:46:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.180017.25559@delfin.com> mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg) writes:

>   Anyone have any wisdom on how someone who is a good telemarker but
>   never did any fixed-heel skiing should go about developing a parallel
>   turn that works in powder? I'm able to carve linked tele's in fairly
>   steep terrain (Granite Chief, KT-22, Greely Bowl, etc.) but even on
>   easy blue slopes, when I try to parallel, my skis just go straight.
>   I have some kind of christy/parallel/gorilla turn that I use on hard
>   snow but apparently the technique I'm using is too spastic to work in
>   powder.
>
>   Any drills or exercises I should try?

For most alpine skiers switching to free-heel skiing, parallel turns come 
easily.  In "Backcountry Skiing", Lito Tejada-Flores notes that
most nordic skiers labor under the impression that parallel turns
are impossible on freeheel gear while alpine skiers
consistently demonstrate that the opposite is true, parallel on nordic
gear is not very difficult.  While it is probably not any help to you,
parallel turns on free-heel gear are just like parallel turns on alpine 
gear, only more so.  

Paul Parker's book "Free-Heel Skiing - The secrets of Telemark and Parallel
Techniques In All Conditions" (ISBN 0-9300312-18-0)  devotes 30+ pages
to parallel turns.  His descriptions and exercises are excellent.  

The two drills of Parker's that I always keep in mind are 
"Knee to Boot Chasers" and early weight transitions."  
In the former you imagine your edging outside knee chasing you inside boot.
As you drive through your turn try to drive your knee to your inside boot, 
and drive your inside boot to escape your knee.  The latter means standing
up on your soon-to be outside ski earlier than...well than an alpine
skier is used to.  Traverse straight across a moderate hill, perpindicular 
to the fall line.  Stand up on your uphill ski, then initiate your turn.  
You'll find your turns will automatically be smoother and more stable.

I heartily recommend Parker's book.  I like to reread it at the start of
each season.  I always find something that I didn't really notice
or concentrate on the year before that helps me move to a higher
level.
-- 
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From: leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum)
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:55:47 GMT

In article <BzBnHK.DID@vcd.hp.com> thatcher@vcd.hp.com (Garen Thatcher) writes:
>
>2. Often times the comment is made that lots of people move from skiing
>   to a snowboard but very seldom back. This is a very stupid line of
>   reasoning to say the one is better than the other. At what level is
>   the person when he gave up skiing? An example of this is me at the 
>   ocean. I tried surfing a few times and found it very hard and then
>   tried a boogie board. Well it was much easier and I could have
>   gotten very attached to the sport. Does this mean that boogie boarding
>   is better than surfing. Well ask a surfer and I think he would like
>   to kill all boogie boarder, wind surfers, jet skiers out there. Surfing
>   was there when it all began. While there are examples of very good skiers
>   going over to "shredding", I imagine that it is mostly beginner skiers 
>   who were not progressing at the pace that they wanted. 
>
If I may add my two cents worth, Garen's point 2 here I think is very germain.
I've been skiing for 17 years and would be considered an 'expert' skiier.
Anyway, I have tried snowboarding, but I didn't (wouldn't) give up skiing 
for it.  So does this count as someone who went from snowboarding and then
back to skiing?  I snowboarded enough that I could handle intermediate
runs ok, and probably will continue to snowboard on poor winters or when
conditions are bad so there are no challenging runs open for skiing.  I
don't think I'll take snowboarding over skiing though, simply because you
can do a lot more on skis than you can on a snowboard.  If you doubt this,
think of which sport has the speed record, distance jumping record, faster
race times, etc.  This also happens to be true of surfing vs. boogie boarding
(although the metrics there are different, biggest wave, best aerials, etc.)
So, as a skier who's tried snowboarding, I don't have any animosity towards
snowboarders or snowboarding and consider it a very enjoyable sport, I just
wish it didn't screw up the moguls the way it does.

Leo Dagum
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From: ebstokes@maxwell.crd.ge.com (Ed Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,capdist.misc,ne.wanted,ny.wanted
Subject: want used Nordic Track
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:37:38 GMT
Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY

I am interested in purchasing a used "Nordic Track" cross
country skiing exercise machine. Does anyone want to sell ?

Ed Stokes
ebstokes@crd.ge.com
518-377-6976
From: akg@fibercom.COM (Keith Glover)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snowshoe info???
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:41:16 GMT
Organization: FiberCom, Inc., Roanoke, Virginia

In article <1992Dec11.114611.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>Anyone been to Snowshoe this year?  If so, have you noticed any major 
>differences between the resort since last year?  Rumor has it that 
>the mountain is now totally owned by Snowshoe and the other resort has been
>bought out.  

Yes, we were their this past weekend (Dec. 13/14).  Conditions were
great.  They had almost the whole mountain open.  The Cupp was open, but
Widow-maker was not.

The rumors are correct, Snowshoe now owns Silvercreek.  A lift ticket is
good at either place and a shuttle runs between then.  No, you can't ski
between them because a ridge separates them ... maybe one day.  The
advantage is that you no longer have to decide Snowshoe Vs. Silvercreek,
if it's crowded at Snowshoe you just catch the shuttle to Silvercreek.
The disadvantage is that Silvercreek [lower] prices are gone ... they
now charge the same as Snowshoe.  Other than that, we really couldn't
really see much difference.

-- 
Keith Glover                    INTERNET: akg@fibercom.com
FiberCom, Inc.                      UUCP: ...!uunet!fibercom!akg
P.O. Box 11966                     PHONE: +1 703-342-6700,  800-423-1183
Roanoke, VA 24022-1966               FAX: +1 703-342-5961
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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Are edges necessary for backcountry skiing?
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:07:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.235217.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu>, siegel_r@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:
> 
> 	My wife and I are long-time advanced downhill skiiers who tried
> cross-country in the woods and lakes of Maine last year and loved it. WeUd now
> like to by some X-C skis which we can use on the flats and also learn some
> nordic downhill technique. One salesman (an Alaska native) wanted to sell us
> Kaharu XCD GTUs (waxable) which have a full metal edge and were also the
> highest priced X-C skis in the store.

Disclaimer:  I own these skis (Karhu, not Kaharu, btw), and love them.

> 	Given that we are not that experienced X-C  skiers, do we really need
> the full-length metal edge if we want to learn telemarking or other graceful
> ways of going dowhill on X-C skis?  

Yes, you do.  It's very hard to telemark without metal edges!  Also, since
the edge gives you more control, the fact that you're not experienced
is an argument *for* rather than against metal edges.  

>Would other 'off-track' skis such as the
> Fischer country series do ? (at half the price!). 

Well, the Fischer E99's are comparable to the Karhu XCD/GT's.  I would say
that if you are in the east (U. Penn?) you probably don't need waxable, but
that's just MHO.  But I'd definitely go with metal edges, and with backcountry
touring skis rather than with light touring skis -- the difference is
in the sidecut, which helps with telemarking, and the width, which helps
with control.  See the XCFAQ which gets posted periodically.

> Our other concern is that the
> weight of the Kaharus and the heavier boots which we would buy to go with them
> would slow us down along the flats and make those heavenly treks across frozen
> lakes into arduous slogs !

It really doesn't slow you down on the flats.  The weight of the ski and
boot is not that great.  The Karhus seem quite light to me!  Your other
option is to whiz across the flats and fall down the hills, which is what
I did for quite a while until buying metal-edged X-C skis.

-- 
/\    "I'm only a human girl person.  I ain't always perfect."--Rambling Rose
  \_][ <--NCAR Ilana Stern dod#009 r.b. cliff swallow ilana@ncar.ucar.edu    
      \______________________________________________________________________
From: webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S. Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: need SPAIN info
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:03:14 GMT
Reply-To: webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S. Webb)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

My boss (who ski's :-)) may be on a business trip the 2nd week of
January to Madrid Spain.

Can'anyone tell me if there are any respectible ski areas within 200km
(125 mi) of MADRID SPAIN.

Does one have to drive way north to the pyranees or way south to Sierra
Nevada?  This would be for one or 2 days for an adv. intermediate skier.

Thanks in advance.

John Webb
David Taylor Model Basin Hq.      -  Ski Till You Drop  -
Carderock Div,NSWC                _ The Md state ski bum-
Code 1523
Bethesda,MD 20084-5000
301 227-1870         webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S Webb)
From: bozek@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!! (more chair reference though)
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:09:52 GMT

Why is it that skier's brains lock up when faced with the simple
task of loading a chair?

After four seasons as an operator i'm still amazed how STUPID
even veteran skiers can be!

And THEN, they blame it on US!

Iv'e seen people get hurt real bad

Snowboarders make the job easier because, i guess they're
just easier to load.

REMEMBER:  THIS IS CHAIRLIFT SAFETY WEEK !


The Red Line is for loading only.

If you have to load, stand on the red line! - IE: Body Snatchers/Zappa

ps. If you ever at Butternut - Berkshire County, say high

    to Eric. He's the one at midstation who always plays The DEAD
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From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: Most expensive ticket in North America (the US??)
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:03:06 GMT

In article <Bz1yAv.66u@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) writes:
>
>[Canadian exchange rate]
>
>>25.6% is current exchange "benefit".
>
>Yeah, I saw it go as high as $1.28 & change [so to speak] Canadian to
>the US dollar in the Salt Lake Trombone, which we all know is an
>exceedingly readable & accurate newspaper NOTNOTNOT so I called a bank
>just to make sure.  The 1.28 "figger" is the rate that banks give to
>each other on megabuck transactions.  As usual, we plebes get at best
>about 1.20 to 1.21 -- the banks stick it to us again!!!

Carry your moolah up to Canada and change it there.  The bank (or rather
Trust Company) I used to bank at, Canada Trust averaged about a three 
point spread, 1.5 cents over for sell tranactions, and 1.5 cents under 
for buy tranactions.  With the rate at  1.28, you'd get 1.265 CDN for your 
US bucks, US dollars could be purchased with CDN funds to the tune of 1.295
each.

I'm not sure why the difference, but I get the impression that it's a
supply/demand type thing.  Not a huge market for CDN dollars far south of
the border, but US currency exchanges are rampant in Canada for people
travelling (anywhere, not just the US, since USD is more of a universal
currency), buying US goods (almost all US companies require payment in
USD), cross-border shopping, etc.

So now if you spend say $700 on a trip to the GWN, I've saved you about 6
points, or $42 (CDN).  I'll accept my commission in beers on my next trip
to Utah.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
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From: warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery)
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:53:30 GMT
Summary: Beginning snowboarders who were good skiers are the real menace!

Snowboarding has no monopoly on people with bad attitudes towards
personal and public safety, and probably no higher proportion of
them.  All of my "bad attitude" experiences have been with skiers
and on easy slopes.  

A major reason for the bad reputation of snowboarders among skiers
is that people who could handle the whole mountain on skis don't
realize that they are completely incompetent to cover the same
terrain on a board until they learn.  Thus while you can usually
avoid the skiers who fall in the lift line or get completely out
of control with no idea how to stop by staying off the bunny hill,
you can be tripped up by novice boarders on any slope or lift.
The result is that everyone you see doing something stupid seems
to be on a board. As the proportion of inept boarders drops, you
will probably see a lot less hostility, just because you won't
be wondering any more whether that pair on the chair ahead of you
is going to fall down and cut you off at the top of the lift.

-- 

	Warren Montgomery
	att!iexist!warren
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From: aak4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Allan A Kassenoff)
Subject: SKI..INFO
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:10:07 GMT

Hi...
    I was just wondering if anyone can tell me anything about these skis:

      -K2 Performance 6.7 with Tyrolia model 540 Bindings.
Allan    aak4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu

Thank you very much!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: 6623630@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: N.Tahoe Conditions, etc. ?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 19:21:53 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
> Seems like sometimes Squaw "saves" the good stuff
> (advanced lifts/runs) for the weekend crowds.

 Hmm...not really. In fact, it may be the opposite. The palisades, for
 instance, are rarely if ever open on a weekend but are often open on
 weekdays (there are good reasons for this). Other than that I know of
 no policy regarding "saving" particular areas for any reason.

 Do you really consider the Palisades "advanced runs", I think we should
 consider them Expert/Extreme runs!!!
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Kastle RXs
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:43:01 GMT
Reply-To: kenb@vice.ico.tek.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

I have the opportunity to purchase last years Kastle RX giant slalom
skis (205s) with Marker M48 Titaniums.  These were last years demo
skis and are in very good condition.

I already have a pair of Kastle RX Super Gs (213s) and like them a
lot.  Anybody ski on the Kastle RX GS ?  They felt sweet in the shop
as far as flex patterns go....

Thanks in advance.

Ken Berger
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:54:30 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck
	<D92ADALI.92Dec16150659@odal2.IDA.LiU.SE>


I think that the reason George Bush doesn't like broccoli is because he
is not as good on broccoli as he is on other vegetables.
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From: speedy@speedy.demon.co.uk (Jeffrey Holdgate)