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From: rafal@utstat.uucp (Rafal Kustra (summer student))
Subject: for hackers only - NO!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:09:36 GMT

First, thanks to all those linuxers who made Linux
possible (and freed me from DOG attrocities).
I would like to add my $.01 worth to discussion about
Linux future; in particular about how hackers-like linux
is.
	Well it's not-IMHO at least. Before I got into
Linux I didn't know what kernel was and
had problems with .tar.Z files. What were they?
Thanks to our local UNIX guru (Wayne, thanks) I
made a first step. I installed Linux and, well
now I have quite a nice system (gcc, self
compiled kernel, mail, comm prog's , users
acounts, getty_ps working nicely and lots more).
As for my C knowledge-I used it in high school
and only Turbo C. Since I started my CS
university studies - I've never seen it ;) (till linux).
So, to cut it short, to all of you wondering if
you can menage-yes, just need a bit of
determination and some quest for new.
(sorry, if I got bit sentimental - it's Linus
fault-his article 'bout Linux history).

-- 
/|| Numbers exist only in our minds. There is no physical entity that
 ||_is_ number 1. If there were, 1 would be in a place of honor in 
 || some great museum of science, and past it would file a steady
==== stream of mathematicians gazing at 1 in wonder and awe.
From: avliet@nl.oracle.com (Arrie van der Vliet)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Help wanted - LINUX does not boot on PS/2
Keywords: IBM PS/2 boot hanging system
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:23:32 GMT
Organization: Oracle Europe

I'm new to LINUX, in fact so new that I never saw it running on my own
IBM/PS2... 

The problem is that my system does not boot from the LUNIX boot
floppy.  Perhaps there is somebody out there that can shed some light
on this.

My configuration is as follows:
	An IBM/PS2 model 80 with:
	    2   IDE harddisks (110 and 70 MByte)
	    1   3.5" floppy
	    1   serial Microsoft mouse connected to mouse port
	    1   serial port card (MCA, 2 extra ports)
	    1   memory card with 6 MByte of memory
	    1	VGA monitor
I use the LINUX 0.97 boot floppy(boot floppy + floppy with root
filesystem, although the system has not asked me yet to insert that
one).
The two floppies have been tested on a standard IBM/PS2 model 70 with
one harddisk.
What I get on the screen is as follows (my actions prefixed with
>>>):

Loading......
Press <RETURN> to see SVGA modes available or any key to continue

>>> Pressing the space bar results in EGAc in the upper right corner
>>> And the following output:

serial port at 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
serial port at 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
8 virtual consoles
4 pty's

>>> Than nothing happens....
>>> If I press the <RETURN> key (or any other key) a few times,
>>> I get the following:

lp_init: lp0 exists(0)
No bus mouse
Linux 0.97-19 Aug 1992
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
floppy: unexpected interrupt
sockinit: initializing family (AF_UNIX)

>>> And that's it; nothing happens after that.
It looks like the system is waiting for something; I'd like to know
for what.
Anybody any ideas?

Thanks for your help,
===========
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                                                NL-3454 PV De Meern
_______________________________________		The Netherlands
UNIX Product Line Development			Phone: +31 3406 94211
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From: umisef@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Bernd Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can someone please compile the Xaw3d widget for Linux?
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:09:23 GMT
Organization: Point of Presence & MCS Hamburg

jofre@socrates.umd.edu (Jaime Jofre) writes:

>I was all psyched to compile the Xaw3d widgets for Linux but I come
>to find out that you need the X mit distribution to make the libs!
>Oh well, I don't have the disk to keep that around so maybe some kind soul
>could build the set? (please).  BTW, the Xaw3d widget library is a drop
>in replacement for the Xaw library that adds 3D effects.  Thanks,

Well, with some nasty /* */'s and some other changes in the source (mainly
include-files, they are just somewhere else - and yes, all those nice packages
like install and mkdirhier were supposed to be scripts) I was able to compile.
I still couldn't get the shared version up, and just trying with tetris I had
some bad experiences...
If you tell the damn thing not to care bout the colormap and just take all the
colors it needs, it does very little on intense backgrounds - well, it then
tries to have a brighter and a darker color, but with white or black or even
intense blue it fails completely, sometimes on both(!). Only on grey it worked
fine (so have a line "*background: gray3" ?-).
I think this needs a little tuning, and maybe I will be able to do so somewhen.
If you aleady did it, please let me know.

Thanks, goodbye,
     Bernie

>Jaime
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: Mark Komarinski <komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>
Subject: Linux documentation
Reply-To: komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:12:11 GMT

I'll volunteer for working on the documentation for linux.  At this point,
I won't be able to start writing until the end of august (Downloading 13
megs of stuff at 2400 bps is really really slow...).  Once I get back to
school, I'll be able to keep up to date and make some current
documentation that can be printed out or whatever.
All I ask is that I get a rough idea of what everyone wants to see in the
documentation.

-Mark

-- 
- Mark Komarinski - komarimf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
[MIME mail welcome]
Did you know that 50% of statistics are made up?
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux CDROM (Was stabilizing Linux)
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:06:26 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Aug12.164546.13304@crd.ge.com> davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen) writes:
>64MB address space. I certainly am not running that much memory and
>swap. Actually, with 12MB I can compile the kernel while reading mail
>and still not swap. I know, because I don't even have a swap area,
>haven't run out of memory yet.

That's all? The kernel and news? Geez. I have 8M RAM on a 386DX-33, and almost 
always have all four VC's going. I think the biggest job I undertook was
compiling the kernel (0.97-pl1) and Elm2.3 (from Mailpak-1.2) while dialed out 
to my Internet host downloading stuff and editing the files to make Elm 
compile. It was an interesting day, I gotta tell you. :-)

					James

James P. Callison       Microcomputer Coordinator        OU Law Library 
Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu   /\        Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor
	constellation!biglaw!callison@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
	Here's to all the soldiers who have ever died in vain,
	The insane locked up in themselves, the homeless down on Main
	To those who stand on empty shores, and spit against the wind
	And those who wait forever for ships that don't come in
		--Joe Diffee, "Ships That Don't Come In"
From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Message for arl...
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:25:01 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Aug13.025259.2721@muddcs.claremont.edu> jwinstea@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jim Winstead Jr.) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.010207.25849@athena.mit.edu> 15.692::klaus@fishery.honeywell.com (Let there be MORE light!) writes:
>>Sorry to post this here, but I can't seem to get any 
>>mail thru to any of the following:
...
>>Anyone else having these probs?
>
>Everyone is - the link to Finland (via Sweden) is down for repairs or
>upgrade or something similar.  You're having trouble reach those
>addresses 'cause they don't exist right now, for all practical
>purposes.
>
>Insert another quarter and try again tomorrow.  :)

Well, not _everyone_ is having trouble getting through. I just got through
to the archives at nic.funet.fi a few minutes ago (13 August, 1992, 
approximately 6:30PM, CDT) from Norman, Oklahoma, USA...

				James

James P. Callison       Microcomputer Coordinator        OU Law Library 
Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu   /\        Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor
	constellation!biglaw!callison@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu
DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
	Here's to all the soldiers who have ever died in vain,
	The insane locked up in themselves, the homeless down on Main
	To those who stand on empty shores, and spit against the wind
	And those who wait forever for ships that don't come in
		--Joe Diffee, "Ships That Don't Come In"
From: jjk1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Konsultant Josh/fuzzy.happy.green.box)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Need Help: Mtools
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:16:43 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Aug20.203910.7846@mcs.kent.edu>, jhuang@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu (Jing Huang) writes:
>
>	Hello netters. I just realized that my "mtools" are behaving funny.
>
>	Specifically, when I used "mdir b:" the first time, it gave me the
>correct diretory list of the diskette. But then after I changed to another
>diskette, "mdir b:" gave me the old (the first) diretory list.

It may not be your mtools.  Try doing other "disk change" type
operations - for example, format a couple of disks and then write a
multiple volume tar to them.  Then, try and read it back.  If you're
not getting any "Disk type is undefined after change" (whatever the
exact wording is) type messages, your disk drive may have a faulty
disk-change detect switch.  Make sure your system's setup has the
correct drive type, and make sure /etc/mtools is configured properly.
If all else fails, try swapping floppy drives (if possible) or having
yours looked at.

-- 
____________------------===========------------____________
                     from: Josh Kopper
                      jjk1@lehigh.edu
    
  Computer Engineering, EECS Department, Lehigh University

  Systems Programming - Lehigh University Computing Center
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: GCC 2.2.2b problem with shared libraries - Fix available?
Keywords: GCC Linux shared lib fails in version 2.2.2b
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:32:02 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <colinm.713679627@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU>, colinm@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Colin McCormack) writes:
| I don't wanna whine but I can't compile anything under 2.2.2b and
| expect it to run unless I link it as -static.  I am led to beleive
| that this is a fault with my AMI bios.  Symptoms are "Out of Virtual
| Memory in new()" message on execution of the code (which is, I presume
| a shell interpretation of an exit code?).

  I never say anything is impossible, but I find this really unlikely.
Any UNIX type system doesn't use the BIOS for anything except reading in
the boot sector, so I can't see that the BIOS has anything to do with a
running system. Sounds to me as though you don't have enough swap space,
or forgot to turn on swapping, or some such.

| I have heard that a new version gcc2.2.2d will fix this, and am 
| wondering whether/when this fix will be released.

  I really don't think it will. If it does I won't believe the BIOS is
involved unless shown some rational reason to believe. I've put Linux on
four machines with AMI BIOS, and am still batting 4/4 on working first
time. 

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
From: jmsimon@acsu.buffalo.edu (JMS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Several (maybe related) problems?
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:58:32 GMT
Organization: UB


After compiling the kernel several times, I hate to ask possible FAQ's, but
I have hit my time cutoff point ;^)

First and foremost, I can't seem to get the 0.97 patch 1 to take - I have a
full source tree, with all necessary links in place (I *can* compile and
get a new image, as well as other building other software), but when 
running the patch as stdin to /usr/bin/patch I get a message that the
patch is of an unknown format, but *might* (might?) be a new form of
context sensitive diff file (oh really?). The first patch in the file
takes, but the second fails and patch goes down in a cloud of smoke and
bright orange flames.

Ok. Probably a simple answer that I missed, but I edited my .newsrc and
searched for all bits on applying that patch, and no one seemed to have
any trouble.

Second problem. Lilo version 3, after following all relevant instructions
in news (thanks Werner) and readme's still won't compile. I do have 0.97
source, but /usr/src/linux/include/genhd.h does not exist -- I have hdreg.h
(which is what I was instructed to change...hmm.) -- the errors are
basically:

geometry.c: In function `geo_query_dev':
geometry.c:89: structure has no member named `start'
geometry.c: In function `geo_comp_addr':
geometry.c:156: `BMAP_IOCTL' undeclared (first use this function)
          
and it dies. I'd look into the code myself, but no one seemed to have a
problem with lilo either. I just want to save myself the aggravation of
finding I missed a link, or some such dumb thing.

Well, thanks for your help (or thuds if this is obvious!)
	
	JMS
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David Giller)
Subject: Re: Bus Mouse Tester
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:00:55 GMT

gt6698a@prism.gatech.EDU (Andrew Hobson) wrote:
>Greets!
>
>I have a bus mouse, but linux 97 patch 1 does not recognize it.
>(This is the first time I have had a kernel that had the bus mouse
>code).  I have no idea why it does not find it.  I have
>mknod /dev/mouse c 10 0 
>chmod 666 /dev/mouse
>I am clueless.  I put some printk's in the mouse part of the kernel,
>but couldn't figure anything out.  Is there something I can do
>to figure out what is wrong?

What type of bus mouse do you have?  I beleive that is is confirmed that
the driver only works with a Logitech Bus mouse (it works with my MouseMan,
And a couple others' C7 Bus mouse, so it will probably work with a C9
also).  It won't work with MS Bus mice, and won't work with PS/2 mice either
(though I'd be happy to try if anyone can give me the pertinent info).

Failing this... I don't know what to tell you.

-Dave

-- 
David Giller, Box 134 | Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light
Occidental College    | bulb?  A: Three.  One to replace the bulb, and two to
1600 Campus Road      | fend off all the Californians trying to share the
Los Angeles, CA 90041 | experience. ---------------------------rafetmad@oxy.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: moore@capitol.com (Jim Moore)
Subject: HArd drive timeout
Organization: Capitol Disc Interactive
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:38:56 GMT


I just recently bought a Talon 120Mb IDE drive for my 
Gateway 2000 33Mhz 386 specifically to use Linux.

I have the disc partitioned into :
   /
   swap
   /usr
   /home

And I have even compiled and booted a new kernel (0.96c).

However, whenever I do a big compile/link I start getting
"HD-timeout" "HD reset" "HD ready" mesasges and have to power cycle.

The Talon is the second IDE drive in the system.  The first is a 200Mb
Maxtor one huge DOS partition.

I browsed around the kernel hd.c code a little, but I really don't
know much about the PC disc hardware.

Any ideas/fixes would be most welcome.

Jim Moore
moore@capitol.com
-- 
Jim Moore             Capitol Disc Interactive
moore@capitol.com
 =============================================
 If you lie to a computer, it will get you.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald)
Subject: Who can use SLS
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, CANADA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:04:57 GMT

People are starting to ask if SLS can be used for various and
sundry purposes, such as redistribution or selling.   Since I
didn't state so in the README, let me clear the air here.  Anybody
can use SLS for anything they want (except  restricting others
of course).  In short, the same rules that apply to the Linux
kernel, apply to SLS.  If you wish to sell it for $5,000.00
(support extra) and can find someone to buy it, you are free
to do so.  If you wish to siphon it through to Bullitin (sp?)
boards or Fidonet, by all means.  After all, SLS is designed
to save people the agonizing task of collecting and integrating
a system themselves.  And it is hoped it will catapult it 
to greater availability.

Peter
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: My apologies *again* for another mail loop....
Date: 15 Aug 92 08:50:21 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o) writes:
>This is the second time this week, which is getting suspicious.

Perhaps it's an AT&T plot to destroy Linux?  :)

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Trying to compile ps-0.97
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:06:13 GMT

Zeyd M. Ben-Halim (zmbenhal@netcom.com) wrote:

: My problem has been with free. When running it I get:
: 
: symbol '_paging_pages' not found
: trying to read invalid address.
: 
: I'm using GCC2.2.2 and 0.97pl1.5

There's a simple patch that Denise Tree posted a few days ago that fixes this
problem.
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: sac@cl.cam.ac.uk (Simon Crosby)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Where's the FAQ ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:33:17 GMT
Reply-To: sac@cl.cam.ac.uk (Simon Crosby)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK

Could someone please post either an FAQ or the ftp site of 
the FAQ and location of the source code for linux.
I need to know: 
	1 - how much memory will I need to run linux happily
	2 - how much disk space does the os + source take
so that I can buy the right machine from the start.

Thanks.

Simon Crosby 
sac@cl.cam.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
Subject: Re: SLS: now available (for testers)
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Reply-To: rhodesia@wixer.UUCP (Felix S. Gallo)
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution:  world
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 18:41:15 GMT

pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald) writes:
>
>Please go back and (re)read my first SLS posting.  In it I clearly
>state that Softlanding will make C source available as per GPL, but that 
>they discouraged it.  However, I expect few to want it because it would
>be horrendously large.

How 'available' will it be, considering the next paragraph in which
you say that you don't actually have the source yourself?  If I buy
your distribution, will you then, at no extra cost, send me the
source?  Didn't think so.
>
>You also seem to have erroneously assumed that I have such a source 
>tree in my possession.  If so, it is incorrect.  SLS is a composite
>of binaries that were posted (MCC, MJ, X11, and many miscellaneous) plus a
>a pile I compiled.  As I told Ted, Softlanding will not, I repeat NOT
>charge for any software/scripts/configurations it develops.  It charges
>only for copy service.  If you find the stated price unacceptable, 
>then please excercise your free market right to go elsewhere.
>
>To be clear, I have not, and will not, volunteer to set up a 
>centrally administered source tree for Linux.  Although I am not denying
>that there may be some merit to it, I just don't have the time (do you?).

If you don't have time to comply with the GPL, then you're in the
wrong business.

>Instead, I did something that wasn't all that difficult [...]

If it isn't all that difficult, then why are you balking at providing
a (very easy to put together) source tree?  If you want to make money
by distributing the software, you have to obey the rules which the
software was written under.  Your laziness is no excuse.

>If you want the source tree so bad, I suggest you either go to 386BSD or
>you do it yourself.  I am a little taken aback, however, at your trying
>to use the GPL to bully me into doing it.  I haven't the time.  But
>I weighed what I could do, that would, in my opinion, benefit the
>Linux community maximally.  I didn't really expect everyone would agree 
>with that.

Again, your laziness is no excuse.  If you don't have the time to do
the job right, then don't do it -- you're not doing us or anyone else
any favors.

>BTW:  The Softlanding Distribution has one primary goal.  To remedy the
>fact that Linux is not visible outside of electronic networks.  The hope
>is to generate enough revenue to support advertising.  If it makes money
>beyond that, then the owner of Softlanding (no, it is not me), will be 
>pleased.  But I doubt personally that there will be enough demand to do that.
From: keane@cardin.rutgers.edu (John Keane)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Logo
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:58:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cardin.Aug.13.15.58.16.1992.12466
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Looks spiffy to me!
From: bjones@cambria.columbus.oh.us (Bill Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Problems with GNUPLOT
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 23:08:22 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Cambria Mail and News Gateway -- Columbus, OH

I just tried to compile gnuplot, version 3.2 under linux0.97,
patch level 1 and X11 vers 1.0.  Apparently the patches for
linux are designed for version 3.1 so I returned to trying to
compile that.  I managed to get all of the definitions correct
in the makefile from the earlier discussions along this thread
and the make went along without a problem.

Then I tried to run it.  Running gnuplot (non-X11) under X gave
me a correct plot but the screen failed to redraw itself correctly
after exiting the plot.  If I "erased" the screen with my xterm,
the screen became normal again.  Running this same version of
gnuplot outside of X did not even give me a plot -- all I got was
a video hash covering the upper third of my screen.

Then I tried gnuplot_x11 under X.  I believe that this should
give a plot in a X window of its own.  But, all I got was a
message, "/lib/libc2.2.2", and then the shell prompt again.
Anyone else run into problems like these?

Thanks in advance.

Bill

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