From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:40:25 +1000
Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia.

In article <1992Aug21.205449.15647@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> [someone else's comments deleted]
> I am focused on the discussion.  My only point is that
>      if the Chinese bastards want an apology from the Japanese for
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>      specific events in WWII, then the Chinese bastards should
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>      also demand an apology from the Chinese for specific atrocities
>      that they committed.

Joe Dwight,

You have degenerated into simple NAME CALLING.  Elsewhere you call Chinese
twits and idiots.  You are not doing your cause any good (whatever this may
be because all you are showing is your anti-Chinese feeling).  If you have
a definite grievence to display then there are more civil ways of doing it
without making (what seems to be) general racial slurs.  Furthermore, if
you wish to make your point on one particular set of people/s then you
should be more careful in your postings to make sure that it is CLEAR who
in particular you want to criticise.

> (That includes Chinese killing American boys during the Korean war.)

I do believe that Americans killed Chinese too!  However, the main people
hurt were Korean (by BOTH sides) and they deserve FIRST consideration.

> The Japanese have already done more than the Chinese.

Dwight Joe,

You seem to be harping on the same "Chinese apologise before Japanese"
theme.  I feel that the main point of this whole discussion is whether
the Japanese Emperor should make formal apologies, not only to the 
Chinese Government, but also to the other nations in the region for 
what happened in WWII.

Granted that there is now a new generation of Japenese living now who did
not experience the war As in every country in the world).  However, the
elders in each of our societies STILL remember the war and have
NOT FORGOTTEN what happened.  I feel that we should be looking to the
future and not the past but there is an old saying (which I can't
rmember exactly but goes something like this ...)

"Those who do not remember the past are destined to relive it"

MY POINT is that a formal apology would help sooth feelings in ALL nations
in the region.  In AUSTRALIA there is still a lot of anti-Japenese feeling
amongst the war veterans and those who lost friends/relatives due to
conflict with the Japanese.

When we hear that the Japanese school children are not learning the same
history that we hear (in Australia) then people (here) are going to be very
suspicious of what ideas the young Japanese are being brought up with. 

The fact that a Chinese proposed this letter during a historic moment is
a side issue  (Note: I am not absolving ANY Chinese who committed
attrocities at ANY time, but am looking at the political/social
situation as it stands in the region.  I also feel that Tibet is an
unlawful invasion - and that's MY opinion).  The main issue is the
relations between Japan and the rest of the region.

Australia has its own sordid past with regard to the treatment of
Aborigines in the past and the continuing problems now.  Only in the
last couple of decades now (in my opinion again) has there been a
concerted effort towards conciliation between them and the rest of
Australia.  As Australians we have to strive for a better future ...
but that can anly be done if we REMEMBER the past.

And this applies to everyone!

>>[stupidity deleted]
>>Seikatsu no utakasa-wa nan desu ka
>>Okane dewa arimasen, tadashi koto-o yaru koto!!
> 
> Chuugoku no bunka ga shinda hoo ga ii yo.  Chuugokujin wa doobutsu no
> yoo ni kangaetari yattari shimasu.   Bakana hito da yo.

If these AREN'T insults then why are they here.  Some sort of one-up-man-ship
to say something in a non-English language?

** FLAME ON **

If they ARE insults then the authors are beneath contempt.  AS much as
I'd prefer that people be more civil on the network, I detest people who
insult someone else in languages that the "insultee" doesn't understand.
ANYONE who uses a foreign language to insult others on the network is
beneath contempt.  At least have the courage to use a language they
understand.  Of course if they are only directed at that group, then it
is allowable (I suppose).

** FLAME OFF **

-- 
Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, 
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168.
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