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From: benezra_a@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Colorado's OS/2 solution for Jumbo is here!
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:23:57 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

>> Sorry for the delay in this information. I didn't get it out sooner due
>> to the fact that I'm just returning to work today from my honeymoon.
>> --Danielle.
>  
Sorry, Danielle. You should have stayed where you were. This software is awful.
Even the tech I spoke to this morning, that gave me a credit back for the $99
that i threw up on this Sytos garbage, agreed that CMS would have done a much
better job. I've been a loyal Colorado customer for over 5 years now with no 
less than 10 CMS drives. The software has always been adequate at the least and 
the hardware support has always been top notch as well. This Sytos software is 
an embarrassment to your company. Ditch those incompetants and devote some 
staff to your own version. As of this writing, CMS has no plans to write an 
OS/2 driver for their drives. Change that quickly!

>   
>   Hi Danielle,
>  
>   Thanks for the info (and congratulations).   Did you see the post in
>   comp.os.os2.apps about this?   The title is "CMS tape backup is buggy!"
>   I haven't received mine yet, so I can't comment, but how thoroughly
>   was it tested?   What kind of return period do we get, etc?
>  
I called and called to beta test their software yet there was no widespread 
beta test. As a matter of fact i was told all beta testing was being done "in 
house." Which house, the outhouse?


>   I'm not panicking or anything, 

Time to start.
>> 
>> 
>> If you can think of any more questions or issues I have not addressed in this
>> posting, please feel free to email me or call Colorado Memory Systems Product
>> Information at 1-800-845-7905.
>> 
Yeah, how soon will the credit go through? You should pull this program from 
distribution and go back to the drawing board. I'm sorrier than anyone, don't 
get me wrong. I'm just very disappointed that this was what we waited for.
It's time to start looking at BackMaster due out in about a month.
BTW, the os/2 driver rumbles my A drive everytime i access the tape drive.
That is a known bug that should not be there.

ab
Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.misc:40379 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:34195 comp.os.msdos.misc:6711
From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,,comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Question about Parallel Port, please read
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 14:40:50 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

I've got the BOCA IO 2by4 and am getting ready to install it in my OS/2 system.

I would like to run 4 com ports and 2 parallel ports, the full configuration
for this card.

Here is what my configuration will be:
     COM1 IRQ4
     COM2 IRQ3
     COM3 IRQ2
     COM4 IRQ5
     LPT1 IRQ7

That includes all the possibilities of IRQ's supported by the card, but
doesn't give me LPT2.

In the booklet that comes with it it says:
     Remember that more than one parallel port can be set using same
     IRQ.

I was under the impression that only one IRQ could be used at a time for any
one port, either LPT or COM.  

If I go ahead and set up LPT2 to IRQ7 (in addition to the above configuration)
will it work?  Can I print to LPT1 and LPT2 at the same time?  Or am I just
asking for problems?

I'm expecting the updated BOCA card early next week from BOCA, with the updated
chips fixing the parallel port bug with OS/2.

Any answers or insight is very much appreciated...

Thanks in advance.

Greg

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: pvonk@scott.skidmore.edu (Pierre VonKaenel)
Subject: Re: OS/2 Comm Programs
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY, 12866
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 20:09:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.191141.15813@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I like HyperAccess/5 (commercial).  There's also TalkThru (Software
>Corp. of America), ChipChat (Cawthon Software), REXXTerm (Quercus),
>Dynacomm Asynchronous (FutureSoft), and perhaps some others.
>

One gem I've been using for a short time is Golden CommPass, for
accessing Compuserve.  It really makes good use of threads.



-- 
Pierre von Kaenel  |  Math & CS Dept | Skidmore College | pvonk@skidmore.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis) (OS/2)
Subject: Re: ATM fonts for OS/2
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:35:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.175056.25122@cc.umontreal.ca> qazia@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Qazi Ahmad) writes:
>Hello,
>
>  I just d/l a ATM font file from HOBBES and really have no idea how to
>use the font! I do not know how to install it in OS/2. ANy ideas?

1.  unzip the file
2.  double-click on the ``OS/2 System'' folder
3.  double-click on the ``System Setup'' folder
4.  double-click on the ``Font Palette'' program-object
5.  click on the ``Edit font...'' button
6.  click on the ``Add...'' button
7.  type the name of the directory where the fonts are
8.  follow rest of instructions, etc...

You might want to read about font installation.  Double-click on ``Master
Help Index'' and look at the ``fonts (screen)'' topics.

>Ahmad
>qazia@JSP.UMontreal.CA
-- 
======= Mike Levis   mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu =======
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From: msaletni@jade.tufts.edu (Michael J. Saletnik)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: 24-bit,fullscreen DOS window under OS/2?
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:12:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1992Dec30.202639.24506@samba.oit.unc.edu> Brandon.Vanevery@launchpad.unc.edu (Brandon Vanevery) writes:

   Has anyone managed, in OS/2, to use a full-screen DOS window to display a
   ***24-bit, true-color*** image?


Yup.
The machine:
	Packard Bell Legend 700 486/33, 8meg x 120mb
The video card:
	Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 1meg card, BIOS rev 3, VESA in BIOS, S386C911
The software:
	CSHOW 8.50a using its VESA driver, mode 'Y' (640x480x16m)
	run in a DOS full-screen session, with the following:
		VIDEO_RETRACE_EMULATION		off
		VIDEO_ROM_EMULATION		off
The images:
	Targa24 RGB .tga, both from commercial software demos and from
	DKB/Trace, all 16m color 24-bit, from 200x200 to 640x480
The os:
	OS/2 2.0 GA w/ SP, both with and without the Orchid F1280 beta
	desktop video driver

					Michael
--
Michael J. Saletnik, Tufts University E'91 G'93
michael@binkley.ext.tufts.edu msaletni@pearl.tufts.edu
Manager of Computer Resources, Dept. of Civil Engineering
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.msdos.misc
From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Subject: Re: Question about Parallel Port, please read
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:34:45 GMT

tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:
>nording@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:
>> I really don't pay that much attention to the printer interrupt (IRQ7).
>> I even have another device using it.  It only would make sense with 
>> memory-resident print programs (DOS print, background printing features,
>> etc.).  It's different with COM ports.  Also, IRQ2 may have special uses, 
>> IRQ6 is for floppy-disk drives, and IRQ5 is for hard drives.  Re-assignment
>> of these interrups ... well... I couldn't recommend it !!!

>I'm glad to hear about IRQ7 and the printer.  I dont know what hard drives
>use IRQ5, but I am able to use IRQ5, IRQ2(/9), IRQ4 and IRQ3 for com ports,
>and IRQ7 or printers.

    The use of IRQ5 for hard disks is correct for older 8088-type machines, 
but not for ATs. I believe that most ATs use IRQ14 (cascaded through IRQ2) 
for their hard disks. SCSI controllers don't always follow this pattern, 
but most of the MFM, ESDI, and IDE controllers I've seen use IRQ14.

>Do you have any more info about IRQ5?

    In most AT-type machines IRQ5 should be free for whatever device you 
want to use it for; I'm using it for my ethernet card here in the office, 
and at home I have it assigned to a mouse. If you have an XT with a hard 
disk then steer clear of IRQ5 but otherwise you should be fine.

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: hilmera@gale.CS.ORST.EDU (Andrew Hilmer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Logitech mice?
Date: 29 Dec 92 05:03:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: gale.cs.orst.edu

My Logitech Series 9 serial three button mouse has one annoying problem. When
I move it quickly across a high resolution screen, it would get confused
and bumble around in the same place. These was EXTREMELY annoying with the
trident virtual display. (I wanna zoom to the lower left corner. The damn 
arrow just bounces around where it's at... ARG!) If anyone has a solution,
I would appreciate some illumination.

andy

-- 
Andrew Hilmer -- The Truth is the Truth even if you choose to ignore it
Solipsism sucks! It's bad, I say, evilevil.
From: hhsiao@vnet.ibm.com (Harry Hsiao)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 16:45:46 EST
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: How to disable WPS
Reply-To: HHSIAO@TAIVM1.vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: Usenet 3.0
X-X-From: Harry Hsiao

Is there any way to disable the OS/2 WPS when booting OS/2?

Harry Hsiao
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Andrew Bros <bros@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: REPOST: Questions installing emx0.8e for the first time
Originator: bros@neptune.convex.com
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:59:47 GMT
Reply-To: bros@convex.COM (Andrew Bros)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, TX
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Dec29.230446.21915@srg.srg.af.mil> scurry@pansy.srg (Scott Curry) writes:
>I have two questions about installing emx0.8e.
>
>First, I realize that the c++ include files are longer than 8.3 and should
>be installed under HPFS, but I am still using FAT and want to know if there
>is a work around or solution to getting emx to install the c++ stuff under
>FAT?  Has someone reconfigured emx0.8e to conform to the FAT 8.3 filenames?
>
>Second, I am having trouble with termcap under emx0.8e; hence, gdb4.6 doesn't
>work.  Specifically, I have setup the environment variables etc, correctly, but
>emx stills says my term is too dum to run gdb and I assume that is because
>something is wrong with the termcap, but I am not sure what.  Any hints?
>

  I would suggest that you post your config.sys.  You say you have the
environment variables set correctly, but you may be mistaken, or may
have missed one.  What did you set TERM to be?
-- 
Andrew Bros                             bros@convex.com
System Integration Group                Convex Computer Corporation
It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations,
if you live near him.  - JRR Tolkien, The Hobbit.
From: clemens@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Clemens Beckstein)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: TEXEL CD ROM
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:11:21 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de

richard.hunt@amail.amdahl.com writes:

>Does anyone know if the TEXEL CD rom drive is supported by OS/2?  I
>know the NEC is, but what about Texel.  Appreciate your input.  Thanks...

It is... with the recently released drivers in OS2CDROM.ZIP
(available from hobbes, software.watson.ibm.com or Adaptec).
Works like a charm...

- Clemens
From: gkendall@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Guy Kendall)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Colorodo Tape drive support?
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:54:06 GMT
Reply-To: gkendall@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Guy Kendall)
Organization: NCR Microelectronic Products Division

In article <C030nH.635@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson) writes:
>I havent switched to OS/2 yet.  Before I do I would like to know if it supports
>the Colorodo tape drives.  Where would the driver for this be gotten.  Also
>somewhere I heard that you cannot have adaptec 1542b Drive Controller and
>Sound Blaster at the same time.  Is this true.  Thank you for the help.

Apparantly Colorado has just releases OS/2 drivers for their tape drives,
but I heard they cost $99. Does anyone know if these drivers will be 
included with new tape drives, or will they still be extra? I just ordered
another Jumbo 250 and a Trakker 250, and it sure would be nice if either
of them came with OS/2 drivers.


-- 
Guy W. Kendall - Applications Engineer          Guy.Kendall@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM
NCR Microelectronic Products Division               Voice: 719-596-5795 x203
1635 Aeroplaza Drive                                  Fax: 719-597-8225
Colorado Springs, CO 80916                            BBS: 719-596-1649
From: rbotimer@max.ct.gmr.com (R Douglas Botimer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: ? in paramaters field
Keywords: prompt parameters
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:53:05 GMT
Distribution: comp

In article <1992Dec20.1047.31559@channel1> richard.wyble@channel1.com (richard  
wyble) writes:
:On 12-20-92 2:59pm, Jeremy Mathers wrote re: RUNNING ZIP/ZOO/ETC FROM
:---
: > What is the 50 word synopsis of whether it is possible to run any of the
: > compression programs effectively from an icon?  Is there a way to click
: > on an icon and have it prompt you at runtime for the program parameters?
:
:You may certainly run them from an icon. You may also "run" a .cmd 
:file from an icon. You may also write a REXX program and "run" it from 
:an icon.
:
:However, is there not a way to use a "?" in the parameters field of an 
:object, causing it to prompt at run-time? (I am at a DOS machine 
:without recourse to references, so I must posit this as a question.)
:
:---------------------------------------------------------------------
: richard.wyble@channel1.com         Richard J. Wyble - Worcester, MA
:---------------------------------------------------------------------
:

You can use brackets "[]" in the parameters field to prompt for input.  The  
brackets alone pops up a dialog box.  You can put a prompt string between the  
brackets, e.g. "[What is your name?]" prompts for your name.

Doug
: * DeLuxe2 1.25 #12515 * Message written Sun, 12-20-92, at 7:18pm
:--
:Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: ATI Graphics Ultra Plus--what drivers avail?
Date: 3 Jan 93 03:24:27 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <105935@bu.edu> heiser@acs.bu.edu (William Heiser) writes:
>>For OS/2 2.0 (without the Service Pak): 640x480-256, 800x600-256, and
>>1024x768-256, from ATI.  None support "seamless" Win-OS/2 at present.
>>The ATI Ultra and Vantages series are 8514/A hardware compatible, so
>>they operate with the stock 8514/A driver in OS/2 2.x.  That provides
>>1024x768 in 256 colors, and it is the recommended mode of operation at
>>present for that resolution.  Do not set a refresh rate greater than
>If both the ATI driver and the 8514/a driver support 1024x768-256,
>why is the 8514/a driver preferred?  That's the mode I'm running with,
>but am curious about the ATI driver, as I've heard the ATI mode would
>be faster than the 8514/a mode.

ATI just doesn't recommend it, and actual use backs that up -- the IBM
8514/A driver is faster at the moment.

-- 
Timothy F. Sipples      | Read the OS/2 FAQ List 2.0h, available from
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu | 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, in /pub/os2/all/info
Dept. of Econ., Univ.   | /faq, or from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP")
of Chicago, 60637       | [Read the List, THEN post to ONE OS/2 newsgroup.]
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: det@tct.com (Dennis Taylor)
Subject: Re: Mix of 3-chip and 9-chip simms with OS/2
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:10:01 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

In article <8168@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>In article <BzE1Kz.A8F@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:
>>Well, if you first say that the RAM is fine even for heavy duty diagnostics,
>>but not for OS/2, then say the problem is with RAM, there is ome kind of
>>contradiction. It is not like most RAM out there is "mortal" RAM, and there
>>is some very privileged, select few RAM chips that are the ultimate in RAM
>>chips. All RAM that is in perfect condition are pretty much the same, and getting
>>RAM that happens to "work" with OS/2 is pure luck. 
>
>No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that it's been known to happen that
>the RAM had defects that only OS/2 had uncovered; the diagnostic programs are
>not as good a diagnostic as simply running OS/2. I don't know why OS/2 is such
>a stress test, but it's generally agreed that OS/2 is a better diagnostic for
>memory than diagnostic programs.
This is not new with OS/2.  I experienced the same problems with 
mini-computers in the early '70s.  We would experience mysterious crashes
(unfortunately we did not have parity checkers), run diagnostics and turn
up nothing.  The vendor did have a "multitasking" diagnostic that ran several
tests concurrently, including disk I/O, which was more reliable than other
diagnostics, but not as reliable as the OS with real applications.

The problem is not finding memory that pleases OS/2, but memory that meets
the manufacturer's hardware specifications, even under the stressful 
situations implied by multitasking CPU, disk, and display operations.

Dennis
From: person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett Person)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Future of OS/2 and IBM????????????
Date: 26 Dec 92 06:58:45 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


IBM is still making mainframes which no one really needs anymore.  I think
that any R&D cut will come in the older technology.  

We may see an *increase* in R&D for OS/2 and th RISC platforms.  I see IBM
putting lots more effort into workstations and less and less into big iron. 
-- 
Brett Person
Guest Account	
North Dakota State University
person@plains.nodak.edu || person@plains.bitnet
I don't do Windows, but OS/2 does.
From: mstaben@comtch.spk.wa.us (Matthew Staben)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM BBS #tel no. in Montreal?
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:50:34 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

eric@tgm.CAM.ORG (Eric Trepanier) writes:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> Well the title says it all.  I am looking for IBM's Montreal BBS phone no.  
> 
> Also, I'm in the process of buying a new serial chip.  I hear that with
> high speed telecommunications (14.4kbps), it would be wise to get a
> buffered chip.  I've seen mentions of different chip version no., what
> is the one I should get?  (I think it's 16550AFN but I'm not certain).
> Also, does OS/2 automatically know it's dealing with this chip or
> do I need some special driver or something?  Will Telix (running in a 
> DOS box) make use of the 16 byte buffer too?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Eric
> --
> Eric Trepanier  (514) 663-6929
> eric@tgm.CAM.ORG
> "Everybody has a right to believe in something.
>  I believe I'll have another beer."

 
I just picked up a beta driver going around, called SIO something.  The 
interesting thing is that it virtualizes both OS/2 serial transfers as 
well as DOS serial transfers - and upon testing:
 
1. My xfers no longer died during multitasking (at 38.4, 14.4kb, 1700 
CPS) using my old 16440.  
 
2. DOS programs which tended to slow down the v86 mt'ker (such as Procomm 
Plus's HOST MODE) did not do it as much as before.
 
I got this file off of Channel 1.  Get it, and let 'r rip!
 
(ps. look for SIO010.ZIP)
 
Matt

mstaben@comtch.spk.wa.us
 
[Made in America]
From: sangercd@nextnet.csus.edu (Carl D. Sanger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: AHA-1542B, AHA-1542BK, or AHA-1542B+?
Date: 23 Dec 92 02:26:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University Sacramento

In article <SLIN.92Dec22134410@regal.cisco.com> slin@cisco.com (Steven Lin) writes:
>All you OS/2 users out there who have Adaptec SCSI cards:
>
>    This is my understanding of what comes with the three packages.
>The 1542B is just the card; the 1542BK comes with software drivers;
>the 1542B+ comes with Corel SCSI drivers.  My question is which one
>should I get?  Do I need software drivers or does OS/2 already provide
>drivers?  If I do need drivers, should I get the 1542BK or the 1542B+?
>That is, do I need the Corel SCSI drivers?  What is the difference
>between the 1542BK and 1542B+ drivers?  Your advice is welcomed.
>
>Steve

If you're going to run OS/2 only, don't buy the extra drivers.  OS/2 ships with
1542b drivers.  I am running their drivers with the beta 1542b CD-ROM drivers.
It's a great card.  I haven't had any driver related problems.  

					Carl S.

-- 
Carl Sanger				|| sangercd@csus.edu
California State University, Sacramento
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: b259phl@utarlg.uta.edu (PHILIP LIPPEL)
Subject: Re: IBM won't accept Internet problem reports any more
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: IBM problem report compuserve cis
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:11:00 GMT


>I'll forward additional word, as I here it.
> 
>David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

Thanks for some feedback on this from within IBM. Perhaps the right people could
be reminded that at least in Academia it can be pretty hard to get things
like Compuserve accounts approved. IBM has in the past been a greater supporter
of communication with and between universities (e.g., much investment in
setting up BITNET), presumably in part because it recognizes that the many
 students who pass through our classes and labs eventually emerge in the real
world as potential customers. 

My own interest in OS/2 includes  a desire to develop data acquisition software;
hence I enrolled in the DAP. (In the meantime I have found DOS emulation works
quite well with some of our existing hardware and software.) I could get a Com-
puserve account myself if I had to, but it certainly would be much more conve-
nient to be able to communicate with the usual DAP contacts through this net.

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy