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Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Vandalism
From: agrcjb@ee.latrobe.edu.au (Chris Bell)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:11:44 GMT
Organization: School of Agriculture, La Trobe University

This Sunday, the Vintage Train pulled by steam loco K153 ran a trip out
to Eltham from Melbourne for the local Eltham Festival.  It then ran two
shuttle trips back to Heidelberg for us locals.

On its second trip, someone threw a tin of blue paint over the loco,
probably from one of the overbridges.  The loco was running tender first, 
and the tender copped most of the paint, right over the right-hand side.

Vandalism to the local electrics is one thing (and their is plenty of it
on the Hurstbridge line), but I cannot possibly understand the mentality
of anyone who would deliberately set out to damage a beautifully restored
steam locomotive while it is carrying hundreds of waving, enthusiastic
passengers having lots of fun.  I bet the paint cost more than the fare!

That happening ruined what had been a really great day for myself and
many other steam fans.  It was wonderful to watch and listen as the train
laboured over the hills near Eltham that the electrics hardly slow down for!

It has been several years since steam last ventured to Eltham, and now I
doubt whether the ARHS will be very keen on letting it ever come back.


Chris Bell
agrcjb@lucjb.latrobe.edu.au
From: btiffany@pbs.org
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Why long end of engine forward?
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:26:16 GMT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <721962645snx@uumark.UUCP>, mstoffan@uumark.UUCP (Mark Stoffan) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov14.133319.3394@ncsu.edu> hess@stat.ncsu.edu writes:
> 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Does anyone know why Norfolk Southern (and their
>  > ancestors, Norfolk & Western and Southern) run
>  > their engines long end forward?  Seems like all
>  > you get from that is a tremendous loss of visibility
>  > and lots more diesel fumes in the cab.  Do any other
>  > railroads routinely run their engines this way?
> 
> The Central Vermont/Grand Trunk ran some GP7's and 9's this way. Some 
> had dual control stands. But this was to make it easier on the crew when 
> no turning facility was available. A friend told me NS does this to better
> protect the crew at grade crossings. I doubt that this is the whole 
> reason, though.


The normal operating mode for first generation NYC road switchers was long
hood forward (GP7's, GP9's, RS3's, etc.).  This changed with the arrival
of low-nose units (RS32's, GP20's and such).

-- Bruce Tiffany
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From: drs@stsci.edu (David Soderblom,B441,7983,ADD.02-26-92)
Subject: Re: The US Passenger Railroad Gap
Originator: drs@hyades.stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:42:36 GMT

>> (previous sections deleted)
> 
> There are a number of reasons for this.  First of all the European and
> Japanese trains are serving a population that is much more concentrated
> as well as the fact that the trains there are government owned and
> operated.
> 
This strikes me as a myth that should not go unchallenged.  Conventional
widsom has it that US and European demographics are fundamentally different,
and that is true if you look at, say, east coast versus west coast.
But instead look at the eastern US and compare it to Europe and I think
you will find a comparable number of comparable cities spaced at comparable
distances.  Think of the Chicago-New York-Boston region and the intermediate
(and sizable) cities such as Columbus, Indianapolis, Cleveland, Cincinnati,
Pittsburgh, and so on.  A TGV-like system serving that region could profoundly
change, for the better, the economics of that now-declining "rust belt" area.
The condition and locations of existing rail lines are irrelevant to a truly
modern system because you need to start from scratch anyway.  I would claim
that for a relatively modest cost (less than Space Station, say) we could
build such a system in that area as wel as other critical areas of the US
(California, Texas, Chicago-St. Louis, etc.).  I think it is vital for the
federal government to get involved to ensure uniform standards and a truly
integrated approach.

These views are, of course, solely my own.

David Soderblom
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore MD
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: bullet train death
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:36:42 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov20.122814.5171@ulysses.att.com> smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.233052.26035@Princeton.EDU>, ctillier@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Clemens Emmanuel Tillier) writes:
> > Strange... At least in France, the high-speed ROW is flanked on both sides by
> > a fence and a ditch, so that it would be impossible to "run across a field
> > and onto the tracks"...
> 
> A later article noted that this line, the Yamagata Shinkansen, is
> considered by some to be prone to accidents, since it has ~80 ``road
> crossings''.
> 
> Yah, that struck me as strange, too.

They are probably not real "road crossings" in the US sense, but something
like low-usage private crossings to gain access to fields or other nooks
or crannies cut of by the right-of-way, but not worth building a bridge.

As far as fencing, it can protect animals, kids and idiots, but isn't likely
to deterr someone intent on committing suicide.  I'm kind of surprised that
this is the first suicide - perhaps the Japanese feel that walking in front
of trains isn't a socially acceptable way...

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     work:   to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing:   uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department     domain: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com
From: 737ochs@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: flashing signals
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:19:08 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <7938@charon.cwi.nl>, frankk@cwi.nl (Frank Kuiper) writes:
> 
> [some text deleted]
>  
> Within a station area, so called "lower placed signals (aka "dwarf
> signals") are used.  These are positioned most often at about a
> hight of less than a yard above the top of the rail, next to the
> track.  These signals are only passable at a maximum of 40km/hr,
> even if green is displayed.  In these signals, a pulsating yellow
> means "expect track to be occupied".  This happens very often, as
> the NS use trains which can be coupled and uncoupled at stations;
> two trains meet from two directions, join and continue in a third
> direction.  There is also a meaning for pulsating green, but I can't
> think of what it is, and I don't have my books at hand.

Well, looking at a Conrail rulebook (amercian rr) here are the following
signals with flashing green in them:

r = red, y = yellow, g = green,
R = flashing red, Y = flashing yellow, G = flashing green

Approach limited:
y y
G G 
r |  y
| |  G

Limited clear:
r r
G G
r | r G
| | G |

Now as far as other colors, heres signals with flashing yellow:

Advance Approach:
Y Y Y
r r |
r | |
| | |

Medium Approach:
r
Y
| y
| R <- flashing red for dwarf medium approach

Slow Approach:
r
r
Y

And there's one other with a flashing red:

Medium clear on a dwarf signal:
g
R

Hope this helps, these was American signals by the way...
Fred
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: kwyatt@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kershner Wyatt)
Subject: Re: Smokey Alcos?
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:42:27 GMT

In article <01GRGZ2Q65XE95OH2T@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU> Prime Mover Software Development <U93_PTUPACZE@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU> writes:
>The primary reason most Alcos smoke is due to the design of their 
>turbochargers. They work correctly, for the most part; however, a design flaw 
>in them allows the thick exhaust smoke to sneak past the turbocharger blades 
>into the stack and out of the engine. This phenomenon only occurs when the 
>engine is "notched out," or sped up. The engine immediately starts spitting 
>out more exhaust smoke, but the turbocharger is still spinning relatively 
>slowly. The turbocharger takes a few seconds to catch up to the correct speed, 
>and in the interim, smoke gets right around the blades.

Where else would the exhaust go to, but past the blades?  Somehow, I don't thinkthe locomotives are reburning exhaust, but rather using the exhaust flow to spinthe turbo to force additional clean air (beyond normal aspiration) into the
engine.

Is what is being said: that the engine is injecting more fuel before the
turbo gets up to speed to compensate with additional air being forced into
the cylinders?  This thus causes more smoke and soot because of non-excess air
(normal diesels have excess air to fuel) in the fuel/air ratio (non-
stoichimetrically correct).



>
>Hope this helps!
>
>     - Paul Tupaczewski
>       Stevens Tech
>       Hoboken, NJ
>       u93_ptupacze@vaxa.stevens-tech.edu
>


-- 
Kershner Wyatt
kwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com

My opinions are my own and aren't necessarily my employer's.
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: kaploww@sage.cs.rpi.edu (Wesley Kaplow)
Subject: Shuttle From Grand Central To Penn. Station
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:50:15 GMT

There was never any direct rail service from Grand Central Terminal to 
Penn. Station.  There was a "meet here" for a BUS shuttle from
Grand Central to Penn. Station for thru passengers.

Grand Central is on 42nd Street and Park Ave (right in the middle), and
Penn. Station is on 33rd between 7th and 8th.  It is NOT a short walk
for someone in a hurry to catch a connection, or if you have a non-trivial
amount of things to carry. (Note: every 20 blocks ~= 1 mile, with 
blocks in the avenue direction generally MUCH longer than a standard block,
thus the walking distance between these stations is on the order of
a mile).

There is non-direct Subway service between the stations. You can take
either the 42nd Street Shuttle (S train) or the 7 train to 42nd and
Times Square, then change for any of the 1,2,3, or 9 (here really the same 
as the 1) to 34th and Penn. Station (really 7th avenune).  This trip 
generally takes, during the day, about 10 to 15 minutes.)


As far as I can tell, the Penn. tracks (going east) 
and the Central tracks do not
meet until Westchester.  I pretty sure this is true because I know the
Metro-North System very well, and the split for the New Haven line is
basically on the Bronx-Westchester boarder, right below Mount Vernon.

There is another connection now, which is the so called "Empire Connection"
(which is what this dicussion is all about).  Here the West Side link
connects to the Hudson Line at Spyten-Dyvill(sp?).  Using this path
would require that trains backup in one direction (not a problem for the
RTLs and RTGs).


Wesley Kaplow

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: khartman@fnalo.fnal.gov
Subject: Smokey Alcos...(Was: Re: GE chugging)
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:53:23 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Nov18.145240.16329@bony1.bony.com>, billg@bony1.bony.com 
(Bill Gripp) writes:


[Other text deleted]

 
> What is really dramatic is to find a U34CH which needs a tune up.  Catch
> one of those accelerating from a station stop and not only do you get
> that chug, but black smoke that almost rivals the best Alcos!
 


	Yeah, what about the smokey Alcos?  What is the general opinion on
the cause of this excessive smoke?  A railfan friend of mine mentioned that the
turbocharger was poorly designed.

	How do the roads that still operate Alcos manage to avoid fines for
air pollution?

	Apologies if this topic has been beaten to death in the past, I'm 
new to your group.  Thanks for the information!




Ken

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: jadams@vixen.cc.bellcore.com (adams,john)
Subject: Re: More on Bos to Portland, Me rail service
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:02:41 GMT

In article <lgqcmdINNgd6@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
>In article <9211201725.AA26217@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>, PLAWS@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU writes:
>
>On the other hand, I recall that Amtrak DID use to run shuttle
>trains between Penn and Grand Central stations in New York,
>even though it's a short walk (or subway ride) between them.
>Never understood why Amtrak provided that service.

Ron, could you (or anyone else for that matter) elaborate on this?  Unless I am
totally mistaken, the closest common steel is up in Westchester county for these
two points (Well maybe the Bronx 8-)!
-- 
Jack (John) Adams			| Bellcore NVC 2Z-220
(908) 758-5372 {Voice}			| (908) 758-4389 {Facsimile}
jadams@vixen.bellcore.com		| kahuna@attmail.com
	I used to be lost in the shuffle, now I shuffle along with the lost!
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: pwilson@admin.acadiau.ca (PETER WILSON)
Subject: CARDS: 1992 Upper Deck Baseball All-Star Fanfest Wanted
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: global
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:29:15 GMT

I'm looking for the following cards from the 1992 Upper Deck Baseball All-
Star Fanfest subset.

1	2	3	4	5	6	8	9	10	
11	13	18	19	20	21	22	24	31	
35	36	37	38	39	40	41	42	43	
44	45	46	47	48	49	50	51	52

I only have a few to offer in trade (15,16,28,33,53) but have a ton of 1991 
and 1992 Upper Deck that I could offer to anyone who is interested.  If you 
have any of the above listed cards and you are willing to trade, drop me a 
line.

Thanks in advance,

Peter

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Reference Assistant - Vaughan Memorial Library
Acadia University                
Wolfville, NS                    
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From: IZARD@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Don Izard)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: Marvel Masterpiece - cards and comics ?
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:07:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bxts0E.D6n
Organization: University at Buffalo


  I have recently acquired two Marvel Age comics which contain TWO
  of the Marvel Masterpiece HULK promo cards.  In the book it states
  that other promos will be inserted into other issues.  Does anyone
  know where / which / or when then other issues can be located?
 
  Reply to me or the group. .  .
                          Don       IZARD at UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: CARDS: Need Basketball 90-91 Rookie Sensations
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:55:17 GMT



	I am looking for the following 90-91 Fleer Basketball rookie
	sensations cards:

	1 David Robinson
	4 JR Reid
	5 Stacey King
	6 Pooh Richardson
	8 Tim Hardaway
	9 Vlade Divac
       10 Sherman Douglas

	Many thanx to anyone who can help.  I will trade or buy.  Thanx!

	Jazzy J

-- 
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|   " I try to discover a little something to make me sweeter..."   --Erasure |
|   Jazzy J               jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu         U-Illinois/Urbana |
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From: khanq@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Quang Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: Card: Auction Update
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:27:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: flop.1efc4lINN7vm
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: mist.cs.orst.edu


---------------------------Min. Bid-------High Bid--------
(45) Ted William	   $10.00	  $30.00 (John)
(19) Hank Aaron                   ************ Going Once **************      
(19) Nolan Ryan
(1)  Aaron Header

  A total of 84 cards.



Rules:
------
 -Each bid must increase at least $.50
 -saturday and sunday count as one day
 -going once, going twice and sold
 -Send all bids to "khanq@mist.cs.orst.edu"
 - GOOD LUCK
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From: byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau)
Subject: Re: CARDS: Ben's auction update... 11-17
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:55:38 GMT

Hi!

NEW NOTES:
******************
Lot 4 has been pulled (finally)
**********************


All CArds NrMt/Mt GUARANTEED!
SHIPPING - i pay if purchase is over $10.  otherwise shipping is split.
If shipping is not in continental U.S., it will be discussed at further length

BIDS
-if there is a tie bid for a lot, i will accept the first bidder of the bid
to be the high bid

please email with any questions.
Thank you!
---------------------------------------------------------------------
AUCTION SUMMARY	*indicates bonus to top bidder
LOT 					 	min	hi
11.L.Johnson				-ONCE- 	$25	$35.00 	-Ken

----------------------------------------------------------------------
1. NFL WILDCARD SUPERBOWL PROMO SETS ***SOLD***	$3	$3 	-Ivan
2. 91-92 Classic Bkball DRaft picks (2) **SOLD*	$4	$7.50	-LM
					 		$6.50	-Rhon
3. 91-92 Star Pics 		     ***SOLD***	$4	$4.50 	-Rhon
5. 91-92 Hoops Olympics set 	     ***SOLD***	$4      $4	-Wayne
6. Mourning/Shaq		     ***SOLD***	$7	$8 	-JT
7. Glen Rice			     ***SOLD***	$12     $15.50 	-Jed
8. Tim Hardaway	(2)		     ****SOLD**	$11     $13.00 	-Sean
							$12.00	-Stan
10.Kendall Gill			     ****SOLD**	$8      $ 9.75 	-JT
12.Jordan #2			     ***SOLD***-$35	$35.00  -SF
13.Robinson #2			     ****SOLD**	$35	$36.00  -Stan


LOT DESCRIPTIONS
-------------------------------------------------------------
11. L.Johnson					$25	$35.00 -Ken
91-92 Upper Deck Rookie Standout #R26			***GOING ONCE***
91-92 Skybox RC #513				
91-92 Fleer RC #255
91-92 Hoops RC #546
92-93 Fleer L.Johnson ROY complete subset (1-12) 
-------------------------------------------------------------

happy bidding!
good luck!

ben
From: nschultz@zeus.calpoly.edu (Ned Schultz)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting,rec.arts.comics.marketplace
Subject: CARDS: Doomsday, Marvel Masterpieces trade?
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:33:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

Anyone have a Doomsday set to trade for a Marvel Masterpieces set?
I've got a MM set available.

Also looking to trade some cards:

Marvel Masterpieces  Skybox 1992
--------------------------------
Need:     5, 51, 56, 65, 70, 74, 79, 83, 88, 92, 97
          Bonus - 1D & 2D
 
Spares:   15, 17, 18, 24, 27, 29, 31, 33, 35, 36, 38, 40, 50, 53
          54, 58, 59, 63, 68, 71, 72, 76, 77
          Bonus - 3D(2) & 5D


Send some email if we can trade...

-------------------------
Ned Schultz
nschultz@nike.calpoly.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: wmun@cix.compulink.co.uk (Wai Mun Yoon)
Subject: PENS - Montblanc
Reply-To: wmun@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:04:00 +0000

Are there any pen collectors out there? 
I am particularly interested in the two limited editions by Montblanc 
- the Lorenzo deU Medici and the Hemingway. The number of pens
worldwide in each edition is 4810 and 20000 respectively, but does
anyone know the number released for their country?
 
I have been told by a pen dealer in London that 60 Medici pens were
reserved for the UK, while the MB literature states that 200
Hemingways are to be released here. This accords well with the
overall number of pens, but apparently there were 250 Medici pens
released in France (similar population, similar GDP per head).  Can
anyone confirm this?
 
Also, does anyone have the list prices for the respective pens in
their country?
 
Could people please reply by e-mail and I will post a summary of the
replies I receive.
 
Thanks
 
W.M.
 
-----------------------------------------
Wai Mun Yoon
wmun@cix.compulink.co.uk
compuserve: 100023,3557
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From: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin)
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
Subject: Re: CFD: rec.collecting split?
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:22:09 GMT
Organization: A.I. Chem Lab, University of Arizona

In article <Nov.23.19.07.51.1992.11117@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:
>the call for votes has started.
>
>it is under the subject of CFV: rec.collecting.cards
>
>(for those of you who have cards killed as a subject heading)
> - bob gaj


ARRRRRRRRGGGGG!!!!!!!

Of course I have CARDS, Cards, cards, and all sorts of varients on this
in my kill file.  Because of some card-oids inability to put cards, etc...
in the topic line, I know some people who search for 'cards' in the body
of the message.

This is what happened last time.   The CFD and CFV was missed by people who
would most actively support the split, because thier kill files are
trying to protect them from the cardboard people.

Why don't we put out a message about this very important CFV that
doesn't contain the word cards anywhere in the message at all?   You
can say   rec.collecting.c--ds   or something like that.

And my vote is YES YES YES YES YES YES YES...   and I don't want to have 
to fiddle my kill file to get my vote to count.  Tell me, has my vote been
counted now?

Please...  please... let's get this right this time.
Newsgroups: rec.collecting
From: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ)
Subject: CARDS: ****Baseball, Football cards for sale****
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:39:50 GMT

FOR SALE:
---------

1991 Donruss Diamond Kings (DK-5) Cal Ripken--->Mint!

1991 Topps 1954 Archives (244) Willie Mays--->Slightly offcenter vertically

1984 O-Pee-Chee (182) Darryl Strawberry RC---> Mint!

1958 Topps (271) Billy Martin--->One corner is a _little_ bad
 
1989 Fleer (616) Billy Ripken (This is the one with the fowl language 
written on the bottom of the bat!)---> Mint!

1988 Leaf (33) Ken Griffey, Jr.--->Mint!

1976 Topps (395) Roger Staubach--->A _little_ wrinkled

*****Please make offers to BITZM@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU*************************



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