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From: mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg)
Subject: Which Hall? Fame or Shame?
Reply-To: mgg@ece.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg)
Organization: ECE Department, CMU
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:21:05 GMT

My second game this week was definitely not subject to the infamous
"second game jinx", and everyone in my league says that is that it is
certain Hall of Fame material, but I still don't feel right about it.

Here's the line:

    0/  X   X   X   X   X   X   X   X  9-
    20  50  80 110 140 170 200 229 248 257

Yes, that's right. First ball in the channel. Convert the spare. 8 in
a row (personal best). Hit light, leave the 7, and miss it.

					MGG

PS The other two games were 178 and 205. I believe it is my first
   sanctioned 600 series (640). 
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: new balls...details unknown..
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:00:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.203419.8935@pdn.paradyne.com> Vince Ciletti,
vince@paradyne.com writes:
>It's about time the manufacturers start sending us *real* details, like
the 
>type of weight block, suggested layouts, expected ball reactions
(comparative,
>of course :-)  ), etc.  Right now, you almost have to wait for the next 
>regional to get any *real* details about the ball.  
>
>So, should I write the letter to home office, or you?  :-)



Damn Vince, THAT'S what I forgot at home!  You wouldn't have the letter
at work with you would you?  If so, could you e-mail me the details
(including the "golf" ball) so that I can post it to the net?

If you don't have it, I'll try and remember to post it tomorrow.

I agree on the RhinoPro's...the reaction is very similiar to a regular
urethane shell.

As far as the limited info they send out on the new balls, I agree.  The
only way I've been able to find out any real info about the ball is
by calling the manufacturer directly and getting the scoop from them.
I've yet had any of them unwilling to discuss (sometimes in GREAT detail)
what their new ball has to offer.  I've got a feeling that this
information
is probably being provided to the PBA but the newsletters are being
cut down to save on space.

I've already sent a couple of letters to Akron on other subjects.  Tell
you
what we can do, how about if we call them? You call them and complain,
then, I'll call them and complain.  Maybe if they get more than one
complaint, they'll do something about it.


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: new balls...details unknown..
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:01:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.151738.10926@pdn.paradyne.com> Vince Ciletti,
vince@paradyne.com writes:
>The "golf ball" was the Wilson Staff, which also had meaningless
>information about being urethane and ~76-79 on the durometer.
>
>I have a regional doubles tournament in Daytona this weekend.  I'll talk
>to the guys and see if they may know anything else.  

there you have it folks..the Teal RhinoPro and the Blue RhinoPro..
$88 each..if you want one e-mail me and I'll order one for  you.
Cause IT'S JUST THE KINDA GUY I AM...
ahem...seriously..now everyone knows as much as we do...either way
it's yours if you want to order one...



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: mgg@ece.cmu.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Which Hall? Fame or Shame?
Reply-To: mgg@ece.cmu.edu (Martin Greenberg)
Organization: ECE Department, CMU
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:55:18 GMT

Mark K. Miller writes:

> So you had a few flaws and you didn't throw a perfect 300, big deal!  You
> wouldn't want to deal with the medical complications anyway.  You've
> included the key words: "personal best."  Was that your most strikes in a
> row and/or is this really your high game?  If this is not your high game,
> some might send you to the hall of shame; not me!  Congratulations!!!

For those of you who are interested: 
1) Yes it is my high game. My previous bests were a non-sanctioned 252
   the day before when I was wasting time to avoid traffic, and a
   sanctioned 245.

2) It was also my longest strike string, 8 or 9 depending on how you
   want to count it.

My opponents for the night weren't too thrilled with me considering
they were the second place team and we swept them. Ironically the
second game was the closest. 

On the other hand, they were in some ways even more upset than I. With
one notable exceptions (missed the head pin completely and the 5 came
off the back wall to trip the 1-2-4 back to front), the shots were
very consistent and they wanted to see the 300. 

						MGG

PS I wish all of you out there a happy & healthy holidays and may you
   find the piece of bowling equipment of choice under your tree,
   menorah, etc. :-)

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: ProHook Extreme vs. Dry back ends
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:10:44 GMT

In article <92350.58342.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> ,
L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
In article <92350.58342.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> ,
L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:


>  I don't know 'bout the rest of the country, but it seems that the teens
>out West have more money than brains... I swan that they have to have
every
>new fangled ball that comes out on the market... And now, the rest of
the story
>


You don't have the corner on THAT market!   I had a guy come up to me
a few weeks ago and ask me about the purple RhinoPro.  It went like
this...

"Hey, Aki!  How's it goin?  Hey I got a quick question to ask you.  What
do you think of the Purple RhinoPro?"

"Well...it's a real consistant ball, especially if you keep it polished
up.
I wouldn't put much positive weight on it though because...."

"NO NO NO...I mean what do you think of it's COLOR?  Pretty cool huh?
Think I'll get one with GREEN inserts!"


Thought I was gonna hurl.....

Sheesh..

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: ProHook Extreme vs. Dry back ends
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:24:44 GMT

In article <92350.58342.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>,
L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
|>  I don't know 'bout the rest of the country, but it seems that the teens
|>out West have more money than brains... I swan that they have to have every
|>new fangled ball that comes out on the market... And now, the rest of
the story
|>
|>  I went to Castro Valley (suburb of Oakland, CA) for an Adult-Jr tournament.
|>before each of the 4 squads, they would oil the first 30 feet of
lanes, so you
|>had major skidding (& oil wakes) & then a seriously dry (Mr Roger's voice on
|>"Can you say Death Valley?"  "I knew you could!") remainder.  I watched some
|>kid with the PH X slide that ball on the "maple" (one board) & watched
it take
|>off to the 7 pin almost every time! (Sometimes it didn't stay on the
lanes that
|>long!)  I think that he would've had a higher score with a plastic house ball
|>on those lanes.  I think he would've had a higher score if he had
adjusted! The
|>same shot frame after frame after frame! (Now that's diligence,...no intell-
|>igence, but plenty of persistance!)
|>

	I've seen adults with this same mind frame. On specific conditions
the ball turns great and explodes into the pocket. Any type of change
(just drying out) and they are dead. Usually people will just keep throwin
harder and harder and harder .... Of course when you also use the same
shot for spares anything to the right of say the 4 pin is impossible.
But of course they have the newest baddest ball,shoes,wristband,etc.


|>  I had a good time also. (not a good series, just a good time)  My teen was
|>actually pleasant to bowl with (since she was concentrating on the 16 YO next
|>to us, & not the rotten scores we were getting! :-))) )  All in all, I
recomend
|>DON'T BOWL IN CASTRO VALLEY!!!  THOSE LANES SUCK! er...excuse me...I
don't know
|>what came over my keyboard...
|>Happy Holidaze.   Ms.Fitts
                     
	I hate those intelligent keyboards (NO YOU DONT!!). :)

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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: I *LOVE* this game!
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:53:46 GMT

In article <92349.162906MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark K. Miller,
MAX@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Who was that Mark Miller masquerading as me posting to a.s.b last week
>yammering some nonsense about preferring Maserati's over bowling?  I (the
>*REAL* Mark Miller) would have never said such a thing.  You all know
>that, right?  After all, just yesterday, in the final no-tap for this
>year (read: extra big prizes) I got $500 for winning the tournament.
>Maserati my butt!  $500 will keep gas in the Z28 for, well, at least a
>little while.

Congrats!...btw I used to have a Z28...$500 would put gas in it for
oh.....2 maybe 3 days... ;-)...



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
From: jefff@meaddata.com (Jeff Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Unusual Spare Combinations
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:01:52 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec11.034405.22735@alf.cooper.edu>, hak@alf.cooper.edu (Jeff Hakner) writes:
|> in article <1ftc8dINNo1l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ak331@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry A. Jelinek) says:
|> > Message-ID: <1ftc8dINNo1l@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
|> > NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu
|> > 
|> > 
|> > In league a few weeks ago, a teammate left a unusual pin combination:
|> >  
|> >             X . . X
|> >              X X . 
|> >               X .
|> >                .
|> >  
|> > the every common 2-4-5-7-10.  He is a stroker and the ball came in light.  
|> > I could see the bucket being left, but the ten pin also?.
|> >  
|> > This usenet list fueled an idea.  What are some of the most unusual spare 
|> > combinations you have seen.  As Earl Anthony said a couple of years ago 
|> > that todays bowlers don't leave spares, they leave "geometric patterns".  
|> > A great quote.
|> >  
|> > Here is another one I have seen 3 times, all by crackers:
|> >  
|> >             X . X X
|> >              X . X
|> >               . X
|> >                .
|> >  
|> > also a "very common" 3-4-6-7-9-10.  Each time I saw it, I said "NO WAY", but 
|> > there it was. A teammate did it twice in a month period last year.
|> >  
|> > What have you seen across the country??
|> 

I bowled with a guy who left the 2-4-6-8-10.  All the even numbered pins.

-- 
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From: wrwalke@ddn-wms.nmi.com (William Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Turbo X Prices
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:13:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA

In article <1992Dec10.194212.11982@europa.asd.contel.com>, daved@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Dave Drab) writes:
> In article <1992Dec9.194924.3394@pixel.kodak.com> bkg@ssd.kodak.com (Ben K Gibson) writes:

> >Has anyone noticed that the TurboX is 20-30 dollars cheaper that other
> >reactive resin balls? 
> >
> 
> The TurboX retails in this area for anywhere between $149 and $179.
> Fortunately I paid significantly less than that for mine ('cos I used
> to be a partner in the pro shop 8^).  This seems to me to be pretty
> expensive.  Yet, you say the TurboX is $20-30 cheaper than the other
> RRs?  What do the ProHooks retail for???  I never bothered to look.

Deavers' Chantilly bowling supply has tham for $105.95.  (i took mine
in box and punched it up at Chantily B.A., so he knocked a few bucks off
of that).

DANGER! DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!  mine cracked out around the thumb after
3 weeks (about 6-7 games).  i drilled it with the pin between the fingers,
and 1/2 oz label negative shift to try and make it behave.  it still
reacts like it is bouncing off of a brick wall (and way too early).
i have found it useful on second shift when the (bountiful) head oil in
a certain establishment ends up 50 ft down the lane.

>  Dave Drab			|  email: daved@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com
>  Taunton, Massachusetts 	|    FAX: (508) 880-4183

bill "the turboX _is_ my soft ball" walker.
-- 

Bill Walker  -  Network Analyst  -  Network Management Inc.
bill@nmi.com                        11242 Waples Mill Rd
wrwalke@ddn-wms.ddn.mil             Fairfax, VA  22030
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti)
Subject: Re: omnibus post
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:05:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.164328.1854@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov writes:
>
>This last question is very important to me right now...Sometime about 4
>or 5 weeks ago I strained my hand somehow...It seems to get better for
>a while and then it will flare up (and I mean flare!) while bowling.
>
>Dr. Aki...you seem to have had some experience at bowling while
>injured.  Do you have any advice?
>
>Any serious advice will be considered...Giving up bowling for a few
>weeks is NOT serious advice ;-)
>
>---
>Paul (Cliffy) Palmer

I have some experience with playing injured, but alittle more background
is needed to make a guess as to your situation.  Did you hurt your hand
bowling or else where?  Where in your hand does it hurt?

Vince
From: wrwalke@ddn-wms.nmi.com (William Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Love to bowl. What is duck bowling?
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:05:22 GMT
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA

In article <92344.134413MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>, MAX@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark K. Miller) writes:
> In article <1992Dec9.103855.12575@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, mmuk9@syma.sussex.ac.uk
> (Jose Lewis) says:
> >
> >What is duck bowling? I don't think it exists here in the U.K.
> 

> "let's go bowl some ducks."  I've never actually bowled duck pins myself, but
> as I understand it the balls are smaller and don't have finger holes (this

the duckpin balls are about 6" in diameter 

> part should be correct, I've seen the balls) the pins are smaller (I've seen

the pins are abou 8" high, and vary "belly fat" (thus the name duck pins)

> them too) the lanes are smaller too, but not all that much (I've never seen
> a duck pin lane.)  

the duck pin lanes are exactly the same as tenpin lanes.  in fact fair lanes
has a habit of recycling lane beds between ducks and tens.  yes, lanes are
even oiled in duckpins, evenly gutter to gutter for finish protection (just
like the original tenpin lane oiling idea  8-).

> I think the pins have much more space (proportionally and
> maybe even acvtually) between them than ten pins.

all things are relative.  the pins are a bit narrower, but placed on the same
tenpin spots, thus there is a bit more space between pins.

> Has anyone ever made an automatic duck pin setter?  I think this game fell
> from grace about the time that most pin boys were replaced by a machine.

there is one company who made (and still makes) duckpin setters.  lots of
bicycle chains and sprocket-type assemblies, looks much like a demonic
antique industrial strength chicken flogger.  8-)  lots of mechanics missing
parts of or entire fingers.

cheers.
bill.
-- 

Bill Walker  -  Network Analyst  -  Network Management Inc.
bill@nmi.com                        11242 Waples Mill Rd
wrwalke@ddn-wms.ddn.mil             Fairfax, VA  22030
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Unbelievable!!
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:57:42 GMT

In article <michael.724144195@mik.uky.edu> michael d ward,
michael@nx22.mik.uky.edu writes:
>Oh well just got home from bowling and I had to share this with someone
or 
>someones and who better than those of alt.sport.bowling!!



Congrats!  It's always good to hear someone is bowling better
than I am...*snort*....

grumble...grumble...grumble... ;-) 


Using the PH Extreme eh?....you know when I was young, we had to
MAKE OUR OWN BOWLING BALLS...that' s right sonny...had to make
then OUT OF COW DUNG!....We made our bowling bags out of
bull ......oh never mind....

Yup...when I was young, we had really clean cow pastures..and REALLY
nervous bulls....





-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Subject: Re: Hall of Shame Award
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:21:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.124227.2893@europa.asd.contel.com> king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King) writes:
>Well, for the first time lefty Monday night I threw 10 strikes in a
>game.  Unfortunately for me I only shot 229.  

Let's see, if I did that it would be my 3rd highest game EVER...I guess
I'd have a hard time feeling badly about it.  My heart just "aches"
for you..



-- 
Alan L. Peterman                                 (503)-684-1984 hm & work
                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
From: ak331@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry A. Jelinek)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: ProHook Extreme vs. Dry back ends
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:16:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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>You don't have the corner on THAT market!   I had a guy come up to me
>a few weeks ago and ask me about the purple RhinoPro.  It went like
>this...
>Shown 54%, press <SPACE> for more, 'q' to quit, or 'h' for help
>"Hey, Aki!  How's it goin?  Hey I got a quick question to ask you.  What
>do you think of the Purple RhinoPro?"
>
>"Well...it's a real consistant ball, especially if you keep it polished
>up.
>I wouldn't put much positive weight on it though because...."
 
>"NO NO NO...I mean what do you think of it's COLOR?  Pretty cool huh?
>Think I'll get one with GREEN inserts!"
 
 
>Thought I was gonna hurl.....
 
More stupid bowler questions:  At the Cleveland Open Pro-Am in Feb 92,
Track Inc. (a local bowling ball manufacture) was giving away their
Shark bowling ball as part of the entry fee.  Every bowler, bowling in the
pro-am got a Shark bowling ball.
 
Well after the pro-am, one on the pro-am participants asks the president 
of Track about the shark bowling ball.  The president says the shark is
a urethane shell with a two piece design for hard reaction on oily
lanes.  The participant answers back, "Two piece design? You mean I got
to put it together?!?!"
 
enough said.........
Jerry
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: new balls...details unknown..
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7536D2325042631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
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Organization: The World Bank
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:10:44 GMT


Just letting everyone know, I got a notice from the PBA about
two new RhinoPro balls that are available...the Teal blue RhinoPro
and I forgot the other one...I'll try and post the details tomorrow
for anyone who may be interested in ordering one....


Also Master industries has released their "Pro Staff" bowling ball..
sheesh, I wonder if it has "dimples"....;-) ...





-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Dave fleck?
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:24:59 GMT

In article 12682@bnr.ca,  jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond) writes:
>	The subject header says it all. Has anyone heard
>how Dave and his wife made out last week? Last I heard
>they were going to induce. Brenda and I (mostly Brenda)
>went through this with our second girl. I hope everything
>went well
>


He sent out mail to everyone on the FBL mailing list ... I noticed that
your address was included.

If you missed it, contact me directly and I will forward you a copy.


Bob

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From: sullivan@cbmvax.commodore.com (Mike Sullivan - CSG)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Get a Grip
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:41:11 GMT
Reply-To: sullivan@cbmvax.UUCP (Mike Sullivan - CSG)
Distribution: na
Organization: MOS Technology, Valley Forge, PA

I keep noticing references to the newer types of balls and how everyone
is doing better with them. But, I do not see what kinds of grips these
people are using. 

What is the the latest craze in grip ?  Conventional, Semi-finger tip,
finger tip, or do you just palm the ball ? 

I currently use an antique Ebonite Tornado (rubber) with a conventional
grip (league average ~ 180+). I would like to get a new ball after Christmas
and any reasonable suggestion is appreciated.

Mike Sullivan   -- my opinions are my own and that's all
sullivan@commodore.com
Off by a board -- is in the gutter for me!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts