HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mgrthh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Thomas H. Hopson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Teledildonics
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:41:05 GMT
Reply-To: mgrthh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Thomas H. Hopson)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu


In article <1992Nov5.081322.16312@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson
Minar) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.042727.9420@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack
>Hamilton) writes:
>>Can one of you book fans tell me what the X at the end of the ISBN
>>number means?
>
>The last digit on the ISBN is a checksum used to help insure that the
>entire number is entered correctly by humans. By a lot of quite
>fascinating but not particularly motss relevant math, one good
>checksum scheme involves a base 11 result. So how do you represent
>that eleventh digit, since you've already used 0-9? Simple. Call it
>"X".

For someone who is going through the reasonably arduous task of cataloging
their book collection, could you give me a pointer to where this 'fascinating'
checksum scheme is documented?

And yes, I know that this isn't motss-relevant, but, oh well.

								- Tom

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Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology   play: hopsonth@cs.rose-hulman.edu
Terre Haute, Indiana
Xref: sparky soc.motss:47258 alt.politics.homosexuality:7104 co.politics:1870
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality,co.politics
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:15:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: bradley.1992Nov12.211544.17333
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Nov12.202304.14752@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.193724.22309@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>>When
>>you consider that 30% of teen suicides are related to
>>sexual identity crises perhaps you can start to understand
>>the effect that rampant anti-gay hostility has.

>I went to the bookstore, here at Maryland, to check a Psychology textbook.
>On it, the athour said that it was not clear if the relation of Gay man 
>with their parents was different because they were Gay, or if they were
>Gay because the relationship with their parents was different.
>On this case of suicides, can you prove that they commit suicide because
>of "rampant anti-gay hostility" and not because of the same causes that
>made them homosexuals?

   You are supposing a relationship between 'causes' and 'made them'.
   There is scant evidence of such a relationship as there is of 
   the 'nature' hypothesis.  

   As for your question, can you prove any differently?

>Just asking.

>>           Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado
>>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
>Do you think that making a boycott against those who voted No on #2 is
>a good family value?
 
   Many of those who voted No will understand, perhaps even join.
   You don't seem to understand that we are fighting for our rights
   and, in that fight, must sacrifice to win.  I give of a lot of my
   time and money to win these battles - and I live in Illinois.


>AAP
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Gerbiling and acceptance of other peoples' info. !!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:46:13 GMT

In article <Bx5txH.IsI@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>
>Now run along and post to alt.bigfoot.  He exists,
>you know.  

Not any more.  He was blown up in that big volcanic eruption. 

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From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CO-2 Ammendment
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:40:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: scd.BxB56w.6Kx
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5

Clayton Cramer (cramer@optilink.UUCP) wrote:
> 
> The Physician Assisted Death Initiative failed.  Term limits for Congressmen
> passed.  If only we could have combined the two... two terms, and a doctor
> does lethal injection...
--------

       ba-ba-Boom ...

What a guy!  Give 'im a hand, folks!

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Xref: sparky soc.motss:47200 talk.politics.misc:59773 ca.politics:9534
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: How Many Homosexuals?
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:39:51 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <69332@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes
[about a recent French sexuality survey of 20,000+ people]:

>... 30% of men had anal intercourse ...

>Remember folks, we're talking sexual preference, not just men who
>don't mind getting jerked off or otherwise for an occasioanal whoopie.

The fact remains that 30% of the men reported being passive in anal
intercourse at least once, but only 4% of the men reported engaging in
gay sex at least once.

Doesn't this strike anyone as just a wee bit strange?

Brian
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From: brichard@cbmvax.commodore.com (B. Richard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Request for text of CO:2
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:23:07 GMT
Reply-To: brichard@cbmvax.commodore.com (B. Richard)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA


  Could someone post the actual text of CO:2?  I have been 
discussing it among friends, but can only paraphrase it.  Having the 
text would be of help.
 
  Thanks!
   =B.R=
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: Inconsistency re CO boycott
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:22:08 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: QueerNet

In article <BOB.92Nov5190157@dolores.Stanford.EDU> bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper) writes:
>I've noticed that when the subject of a boycott comes up, some
>conservatives, free-marketeers and/or libertarians are often vocally
>against the boycott.  This seems bizarre to me, for how can someone
>who believes (as I do) that there shouldn't be financial entitlements,
>believe that Colorado is somehow "entitled" to its "fair share" of our
>disposable income (and that of our supporters, as well).  I think even
>a supporter of the usual entitlements would find this "obligation" to
>be ludicrous.

Yes, but what do you do in the good company/bad supplier case.  For
example,  Levis has some very nice new shirts in their Fall/Winter line.
I like them a lot, they're resonably priced, the company has good
values, etc.  The shirts, though, are made in China [they shoot students,
don't they].  

In this case, what's a consumer to do?  I'd like to support the local
gay clothing store and the company that has good policies, but by buying
the shirts am I supporting the Communist regime in China?

I also wonder if Pro-Life/Anti Choice folks boycott China, land of the
one child per household, home of the state provided abortion.

...Max


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Bryan J. Blumberg <bjb@macsch.com>
Subject: Re: Gay Sailor Reinstated
X-Xxdate: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:16:20 GMT
Organization: Systems Integration Branch
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:17:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.050132.4011@iisat.alt.ns.ca> ,
crombie@iisat.alt.ns.ca writes:
>        In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Pete Williams said the navy
> has agreed to reinstate Meinhold and will swear him back into the
> navy on Thursday.<

     The hypocracy continues since Pete Williams is the gay
assistant secretary of defense.


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Bryan  J. Blumberg, The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
815 Colorado Boulevard, Los Angeles, California  90041-1777
(213) 259-4914, B_BLUMBERG@MACSCH.COM
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman)
Subject: Re: Joy of Gay Sex
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:15:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.014344.11675@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mritchie@magnus.a
cs.ohio-state.edu (Chew Toy) writes:
>_The Joy of Gay Sex_ is being reissued . . .

Hmmm.  I wonder what Michael's getting me for Christmas.

--Don
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:22:51 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <19921109130745ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>,
ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) wrote:

[...]

> Hey Boobus Donkeyhump

ARRRHRGHGGHHGH!

*That's* almost as good as Totalitarian Tinkerbell!  Jezeboo 
almost had reason to thank you.  I nearly fell backwards, out of
my chair, spilling scalding hot Good Earth tea all over my
little self, in a fit of maniacal (sp?) laughter.

Not that I condone such behavior, mind you.  Modifying names.
All very childish.  Yes, yes.  Not a game for the adult mind.
After all, Melinda started it...  Or was it Dyer...?  Or even
the Jezeboo itself?  Mayhaps Dolphie?  

Oh, piffle.  I've done fergoot.

melon/melmac/melmoth/mellifluous/mellignat/melladroit/melnibone/me
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Thugsy twins to run against each other!
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:06:01 GMT
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!

In article <69409@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (A Frank Swilling) writes:
>Andrew Solovay invents a whole new perversion:
>
>>Don't be so hard on Dannemeyer. My pet theory is that he's really
>>one of us, an agent provocateur paid by Queer Nation to make
>>homophobes look like a drooling pack of mouth-breeding morons.
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Is this what 69ing leads to?

Oops. Dr. Freud, please call your office...
-- 
Andrew Michael Solovay    

"We know that Solovay is a misogynist and an idiot..."
		--Melinda Shore
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: L.A. PRIDE Newsletter
Date: 9 Nov 92 08:56:49
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solarium.aero.org


Christopher Street West, the producers of the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian
Pride Celebration, has a new newsletter debuting this month: L.A. PRIDE.
(edited by yours truly).

The newsletter is intended to inform the L.A. community about what CSW
does, how others can become involved and influence the Parade and
Festival, and so forth.

Subscription is free, although those who are able and willing are asked
in the newsletter to help underwrite the cost of producing and mailing.

To be added to the mailing list, either call 213-656-6553 and ask to be
added to the L.A. Pride mailing list, or send your Name and U.S. mail
address to me.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Thugsy twins to run against each other!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:10:28 GMT


In article <1992Nov12.014357.12389@netcom.com>
solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M.  Solovay) writes:

>Don't be so hard on Dannemeyer. My pet theory is that he's really
>one of us, an agent provocateur paid by Queer Nation to make
>homophobes look like a drooling pack of mouth-breeding morons.

You got somethin' against fish, or what?  Homophobes don't
need any help to look moronic.  Neither do misogynists.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
<>  <>  <> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <>  <>  <>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bob@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Bob Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Boycott official?
Organization: Computer Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:23:24

In article <74330@hydra.gatech.EDU> danny.ingram@business.gatech.edu
(Danny Ingram) writes: 

   There are a lot of voices talking about a boycott of Colorado.  Are
   there any GLB organizations who have officially called for a
   boycott?  I produced an article for a local GLB publication about
   the proposed boycott, but now I'm getting my ass chewed by my
   editor because it seems no organizations have called for an
   official boycott.  How can there be a boycott if no one calls for
   one?  

What's so important about having a GLB organization "officially" call
for a boycott (aside from the newsworthiness of that particular tidbit
of information, of course)?  Did your article claim that a boycott was
being considered by various groups, as opposed to claiming that a
boycott was possible/probable in more general terms?

An "unofficial" boycott is certainly in force, simply because some
fraction of the people who are clued in about the situation in
Colorado are boycotting some or all products and services from that
state and encouraging other to do likewise.

   I really need some help on this one, particularly since my deadline
   was yesterday!  If anyone knows of even one GLB group who has
   officially called for a boycott please let me know asap.

Sorry I can't help out with a group that has called for a boycott.  I
suspect there will be some delay as people in these groups try to
build a consensus on what products/services they want to call for a
boycott on.

I guess I responded because the question of whether or not the boycott
is "official" struck me as somewhat bizarre and irrelevant.  I suppose
it isn't really irrelevant, but happily I will never know how many
people are decisively influenced by whether or not a given boycott
is "official".

- Bob
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: an imho reasonable gay conservative
Date: 5 Nov 1992 13:11:04 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Chris Black (black@sybase.com) writes:

>Reagan expressed his concern that "young Ron" planned to
>become a ballet dancer.  He turned to Liebman and said, "But, aren't
>dancers . . . aren't dancers sort of . . . funny?"

I can't help myself:

"No, dear, *comedians* are sort of funny.  Dancers are sort of agile."

------------------------------
                             |     I found Tycho down at the Chessboard,
Jim Drew                     | crying in his beer over his latest love lost.  I
jrd@frame.com                | tried to console him.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "Come on, Tycho.  Mr. Right will come along
"Innocent, but not naive."   | some day.  Until then, look at what you already
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    | have.  You've got good friends, a great home,
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | you're fashionably dressed."
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "I'd rather be fashionably chased," he said.
                             | "Right now, I'm just fashionably chaste."
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Righter's Bloc"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: baer@cs.mcgill.ca (Larry Baer)
Subject: Re: Is Integration the Right Goal?
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:08:29 GMT

Jess Anderson writes:

>In article <1992Oct27.235914.23951@cs.mcgill.ca>
>baer@cs.mcgill.ca (Larry Baer) writes:

>>I think that when you, Jess, talk about integration, you
>>really mean *assimilation*.  I don't see the two as the same
>>thing.  I also don't see integration as leading to
>>assimilation.

>Let's explore that.  Integration, legal definitions to one
>side, is probably not very distinguishable from assmilation.
>In the historical sense, the basic impulse of integration
>was equality of access.  The presumption was that other
>perceived goods would flow from that, and in most regards,
>those goods were (and are) defined in terms of whiteness.

I'm no expert on American civil rights, but from my limited reading
I understood that blacks, not whites, defined the terms and the
agenda in the fight for civil rights and integration in the 50's
and 60's.  Perhaps you could be more specific:  Exactly what 
white-defined goods were presumed to flow from integration?

>More importantly, maybe, look who's doing the defining.
>What nearly all white people mean by integration is
>whiteness of the type that lets them not see blackness
>despite the obvious testimony of their senses; that's
>assimilation.

Yes, I guess I have to concede that integration involves a trade-off,
but I still say integration should be the goal of all segregated,
marginalized, excluded minorities.  If you care enough about your
inherited culture, language, whatever, you will do what you can to
preserve it even as you participate fully in the society at large
(cf. Quebec, Canada).  

If a group achieves integration, how complete is the accompanying 
assimilation and is the assimilation  only one way?  

>Most LGB people buy right into the corresponding values,
>becoming assimilationists without even being aware of it.

I suppose you are right but on the other hand, there is a big
difference between being black and being gay.  For one thing,
most gays start off not only as assimilationists but as 
assimilated for obvious reasons.



-- 
Larry Baer                | when you're lovers in a dangerous time
School of Computer Science| sometimes you're made to feel as if your love's
& Ultrasonic Imaging Lab  |	a crime
McGill University         |			--Bruce Cockburn
From: black@sybase.com (Chris Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Another reason OR went no, CO went yes...
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:35:36 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Nov8.051147.7681@u.washington.edu>, rhiann@carson.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:

|> We've done a lot of joking about gay Republicans, but they are necessary. We
|> need to have politicians beholden to us in both parties.

Point well taken.  I saw a newspaper article about black Republicans a
while back.  On person was quoted as saying that there has to be a black
presence in the Republican party so that the Democrats don't take blacks
and the black vote for granted.  I think the same applies to us -- the
more afraid the Democrats are that (some) of us might vote Republican,
the more responsive they'll be to our issues.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay)
Subject: Re: Thugsy twins to run against each other!
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:43:57 GMT


Don't be so hard on Dannemeyer. My pet theory is that he's really
one of us, an agent provocateur paid by Queer Nation to make
homophobes look like a drooling pack of mouth-breeding morons.

How could anyone who read _Shadow_on_the_Land_ think this guy's
for real?
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay    "I've learned a secret about keeping house... after
                      four years, the dust doesn't get any thicker."
                                        --Quentin Crisp
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Gay choice (was: Gay rights group...)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:52:42 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Nov10.140942.23156@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>  
dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY) writes:

>  Left handedness used to be perceived as bad, wrong, a
>  choice, a behavior that could and _should_ be corrected.
>  And any left handed person will tell you that it just is
>  something that is.

Don't be ridiculous! Anyone can choose to use their right hand whenever  
they want. It's only out of weakness that so called "left-handers" revert  
to their evil and perverted ways. Everyone is sinful, but we must ALL  
strive to improve ourselves, right and left handers alike. Remember, its  
not left handed people themselves that are evil... it's the fact that they  
use their left hand! Science has proven it - don't you know that left  
handers have higher death rates? And they ALL are in desparate need of  
manicures...
From: jkusters@zeus.calpoly.edu (Chrome Jester)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Domestic Partnership Questions
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:52:47 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

A friend of mine had some questions for me that I could not completely
answer, but I know that someone on soc.motss would probably know.  Since
it's something that I'm curious about as well, I thought I'd post here and
ask that all replies be sent to me.  If you can answer these questions, I'd
appreciate hearing from you..

> I'm doing some exploratory research on the growing phenomenon of
> nontraditional households esp. when the members of the household are 
> motss [ members of the same sex ] and the level of acceptance of such
> households in the U.S..  I am interested in discovering for example, the
> likelihood of acceptance of legislation such as that passed in San
> Francisco and more recently in Sacramento which grants members of the
> same sex who form households equivalent rights as heterosexual married
> couples here in San Luis Obispo County.  Yes i know this place is ultra
> conservative, like i said this study is exploratory .
> 
> Okay, enough babbling, heres what i need to find out and what i hope my
> net friends can help me out with.
> 
> 	1. What was/is the name of the legislation which i mentioned 
> 	previously?
> 
> 	2. Does anyone know if San Francisco and Sacramento are the 
> 	only cities with these sorts of statutes on the books?

Thanks!

JOhn.

-- 
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But we can shed a little light, Be Political not Polite! -Romanovsky & Phillips
From: danny.ingram@business.gatech.edu (Danny Ingram)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Scott Masden
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:57:22 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Another short respite from the CO2 war...

     Does anyone remember Scott Masden, the deliciously androgynous Soloflex
model who changed America's vision of the perfect male body and graced the 
walls of gay apartments from NY to LA?  I wonder why we haven't seen any more 
of his curvasceous form in the advertising world?  Marky Mark may be nice, be
he can't hold a well-sculpted candle to Scottie.
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