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From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: proposed FAQ for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:12:04 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

smith@canon.co.uk (Mark Smith) writes:

> Top ten FAQ questions!  All quotes genuine!  Trade them with your friends!
> 
> 
> *** 1.  So what's this group about anyway?
> 
> > Maybe you're not familiar with the term "Disney Afternoon."  It 
> > describes a block of afternoon programming, usually (but not always) 
> > shown in the 3pm to 5pm time slot.
> 
> 
> *** 2.  So it's about Disney tv shows?
> 
> > I think the fact that Disney produces these shows is incidental.
> > We're not necessarily fans of Disney, we're fans of these shows
> > that happen to be produced by Disney and happen to be (mostly)
> > shown in the afternoon.

If this isn't the best (and damn funny) summary I've ever seen compiled, 
I don't know what is. Good job, Mark. 


--- 
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.rachel.weenie
Keywords: weenie weenie weenie
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:57:14 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru

In article <kcRPqB1w165w@dogbox.acme.gen.nz>
   dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl) doodled:

[Talking about deleting the groups with no traffic]

> Instead of saying it, why don't you just do it?
> Easily done...just issue a rmgroup...

I'll build a list of those groups for which we have seen little or no
traffic.  Seeing as we have a pretty full feed it should be a reasonable
guide, but I will try and eliminate those groups which UKNet do not pass
onto the UK for legal reasons. 

- Chris
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:51:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.90111.12852@ms.uky.edu> kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron) writes:
>twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>
>>alt.fan.disney.afternoon is a brand-new group.  If I hear no
>>objections, tomorrow I will newgroup alt.tv.disney-aftn and rmgroup
>>alt.fan.disney.afternoon.
>
>Please don't.  It has been proven virtually impossible to really remove
>an alt group once it has been created.

Actually, the recent discussion has more or less convinced me that
it's not even worth the effort.  Nevertheless, the fact that it's
"virtually impossible" doesn't mean to me that it's not worth trying.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: lexier@fraser.sfu.ca (Lyle Lexier)
Subject: Remove the shitty group called "alt.flame.marshal.perlman.weenie"
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 06:18:27 GMT

     Hello everyone,
 
     Why not remove the childish group called "alt.flame.marshal.perlman.weenie"
.  It makes no sense to denigrate characters.
 
     Lyle

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Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.arts.books
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: That Bitch
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:24:20 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Aren't you people forgetting, or didn't you know, that "that bitch" is not
even a real person?  "Rachel Daffy-Duck Christie" is just one of several
aliases used by rdc@netcom.com .  He/she often posts messages with the name
"Rachel" at the top, and signed "Carasso" (its favorite pseudonym) at the
bottom.

Bill Marcum (my real name)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.arts.fine.news.groups
From: rcj@engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.architecture
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:28:54 EDT
Organization: Lost Tribes of Gazebo
Distribution: world,local

In article <1992Sep11.131933.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:

>Since architecture is such a good subject for a newsgroup, why restrict it
>to alt?  I think it would pass easily as sci.architecture.... a little
>more legwork, but it'd be worth it.

As long as we're being ambitious. . . I've been mulling a proposal to
create a new top-level arts.* hierarchy, which would split the rec
groups: the true rec groups would be the hobby and recreation
groups, but groups on literature, movies, fine arts etc. would go to
arts.  This idea was pressed on me by the proposal in news.groups
for, was it rec.arts.architecture? and now alt.architecture.  It seems
almost undeniable that (a) architecture is important enough to warrant
a place on the net, (b) that putting it in rec is trivializing it.  On
the other hand, sci seems wrong too--what's next, sci.painting,
sci.composing, sci.calligraphy?  Sci is already overloaded--it is
starting to become the haven for "serious" groups that don't fit in
comp.  We need some sort of humanities or academic hierarchies (as
has been brought up many times before).  For now, I would simply
propose to start with arts.*, and would suggest that arts.architecture
is a natural for it.  So what I'm thinking is to create
alt.architecture on an interim basis, and to try to create the arts
hierarchy.  If that fails, then we can try sci.
-- 
       Rod Johnson  *  rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu  *  (313) 764-3103
    
                "What I do doesn't happen in a warehouse"
                                          --Jim Dickinson
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.fan.disney.afternoon
From: arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 06:24:19 GMT
Followup-To: alt.fan.disney.afternoon

Shouldn't that be McCawber's Mushrooms?
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.herbalism
Summary: alt.herbalism, alt.sustainable.agriculture 
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:41:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.184322.7056@leela.cs.orst.edu> casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass) writes:
>In article <1992Sep5.153938.25479@samba.oit.unc.edu> Lawrence.London@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Lawrence London) writes:
>>This is an excellent subject for a newsgroup. Many bbs's and thousands of
>>posts in newsgroups and conferences in other nets are devoted to this subject
>>regularly. It will have my full support. OK to gate it to FidoNet?
>>On the subject of another alt. newsgroup I would like to see started,
>>alt.sustainable.agriculture, which would gain support from users in 
>>rec.gardens, misc.rural, alt.co-evolution and probably bionet.plants,
>>could you get this one going as well?


> I would very much like to see a sustainable/organic agriculture newsgroup
> begun.
> Paul
>"It is possible to join forces, to identify common goals, and to agree on
> common action." - U.N. World Commission on Development and Environment
>		       casspa@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
I am hoping this will happen very soon. Stay tuned. If you're interested, 
e-mail me suggestions for a proposal/mission statement. 
Glad to hear you're interested in a newsgroup on this subject. I plan to
archive all news articles there on one of the systems I access. Do you know
about the SANET listserver (Sustainable Agriculture Network) at orst.edu?
I'll e-mail you info on it.

Lawrence

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: ccar21@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Kim")
Subject: alt.architecture
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:34:20 GMT

I am a P.G. architectural student. I would like to let you know that myself
and several others with me here are hoping that an "alt.architecture" can
be formed. I think with the current state of the architectural field and
the transformations that are taking place in it, an "alt.architecture" would
be a useful arena to exchange our views.

I. Kim

Xref: sparky alt.config:5604 alt.politics.clinton:4480
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Creating alt.politics.democrats groups
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:06:08 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.
Summary: So what'dya expect?

In article <Bu847p.D0A@world.std.com>, bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum) writes:
> Now that these groups have been created, why isn't anything in any of them
> except alt.politics.democrats.d?  Why create groups if you aren't going to
> use them?
> 

	Why, because the Clinton campaign isn't through reviewing the posts for
"appropriateness".

	That's what happens when a political campaign is allowed to create
newsgroups.

Brett                                                      
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: name for "alt.amateur-comp"
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 04:19:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.234807.23275@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>I wouldn't worry about alt.amateur-comp, Tim.  The name is no worse than
>most, is better than most of Ronda's original suggestions, and is pretty
>much a done deal now.

I know.  A caveat I originally meant to put into that post was that I
have no particular objection to the name now, just that I wanted to
make sure that she'd thought the name and charter out thoroughly
enough, which seems to be the case.  Sorry, Ronda.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: alt.rachel.weenie
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 17:22:43 Y
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS
Keywords: weenie weenie weenie
Summary: all it takes is you
Comments: Arrrgh!

mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) said in reply to:
> bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum) who responded to:
> > >ewing@minerva.cis.yale.ed,  who wrote:
> >>
> >>I call for the creation of alt.rachel.weenie, because she is pissing me off
> >>
> >Speaking of "rent a clue", there's already an alt.carasso newsgroup (several
> >actually).  What we really need is a sort of meta-killfile for news software
> 
> well..some one then should go out and delete all the dumb ones.

Instead of saying it, why don't you just do it?
Easily done...just issue a rmgroup...



dogbowl at The Dawghaus BBS  ( +64 6 357-9245 )
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.music.marillion
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:30:26 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <5345@news.duke.edu> daniel@acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford) writes:
|
|I, too, would like to cast a "Yes" vote for this group.  My access to Marillion info has been rather limited of late, and

|Furthermore I don't think the progressive newsgroup covers Marillion thoroughly (IMHO) as I continue to find info by
|happening to hear about it at the Music store.  Oh, well.  Definitely....yes.

That's easily corrected. Just start a Marillion thread.  Alt.music.progressive
was created for discussing for groups like Marillion.  Rather than
pigeonhole all discussion in a single group I'd rather see someone 
work towards the creation of rec.music.progressive.  So far I think that
alt.music.progressive has been quite successful.  There have be a few
articles that were posted here that belonged in the alternative group but
it really hasn't been too bad.  Let's see how it goes in the next couple
of months as more of the "edu" people discover the net as their accounts
are activitated.  

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL for group "alt.cesium"
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 00:55:37 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

As another more-or-less original CESIUMite, I vote a hearty "aye!"
for the creation of alt.cesium.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.tv.nick-at-nite
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:14:50 GMT

Roy> == Roy Barrett <dsdd@okcforum> 

 Roy>  A lot of people watch old Nite at Nite TV, and I think there is a
 Roy> great need for alt.tv.nick-at-nite... please send E-mail
 Roy> responses..

IMHO this is a good idea. A good place to discuss all the Nick-at-Nite
shows from Mary Tyler Moore to Donna Reed to Superman. 

 Roy> Also, maybe..  alt.tv.snick

I'd say not, to start... let's see how traffic goes in
alt.tv.nick-at-nite first.

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: hnb5164@tamuts.tamu.edu (Heather Noel Bobbie)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.architecture
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:25:52 GMT

i vote for the creation of alt.architecture.

(but i'm probably doing this very wrong.)
heather bobbie
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: That Bitch
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:15:12 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

camurphy@acsu.buffalo.edu (Cindy) writes:

>i don't care how much you detest this woman or who the hell you
>think you are, but this misogynist shit is beyond inappropriate:
>it's violent against all women.

Yes, folks, can we act like adults instead of college kids for a moment ?

-- richard

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:31:04 GMT

In article <8V4J0L8@taronga.com> arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:

>Before I proposed this group, I read the guidelines for creating an
>alt group.  In case you haven't read the posting, it says this:
>
>From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher Samuel)
>
>		Guidelines for the creation of an "alt" group.
>
>  When choosing a name for a group please note the only commandment: Thou
>  shalt not choose a group name which may cause network harm or harm to a
>  local machine. 

So you've SEEN this document!  Did you notice some of the other
guidelines?

  1) Propose a new alt group in alt.config.
     ...
  2) See what the alt.net.opinion of the new group is.
     ...
     (these first two steps are often ignored, which usually
     leads to unpleasantness in step 4 below)
     ...
  3) Post a "newgroup" control message.
     ...
  4) Let the individual site news administrators decide
     whether to honor your "newgroup" message....
     messages which are obviously forged, or have not been
     discussed in alt.config and contain no explanation will
     probably not be honored by many sites.

>According to this, I have chosen a valid name.

According to this reasoning, I could send out a newgroup for
"alt.weischmuller.purity" and claim it's for discussing hazelnut cream
desserts.  Doesn't make it a particularly good name.

>Since you're so insistent this is just a tv show, should I create a
>new group for the comic books?  And another one for the movies (they've
>just started working on a Goof Troop major motion picture)?
>And yet another for the merchandising?

Had I known that Disney Afternoon really did stretch beyond
television, I would have been less insistent in that area.  In that
vein, though, I think it's amusing that someone else pointed out that
non-TV Disney Afternoon material is falling by the wayside.

It's done.  Be happy with it.

>The guidelines also say this:
>
>  Don't take this all too seriously, though.  The "alt" net is the last
>  remaining refuge away from the control freaks, namespace purists and
>  net.cops that maintain and enforce the mainstream newsgroup guidelines.
>
>Kind of makes one wonder, huh?

Not me.  That alt does not follow Usenet's strict newsgroup guidelines
does not mean that it's a free-for-all.  You're in good company with
Palmer and Carasso, kid.

What really makes me wonder is that people seem to think that because
there are fewer rules, there should be no rules.

-- 
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\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)
Subject: New group suggestion: alt.support.lyme-disease
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:16:46 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I'd like to create a group for the support of people with 
lyme disease.  People could share their experiences.
For example, some people had lyme disease that was not treated
with antibiotics and therefore run the risk of chronic arthritis,
neurological problems, and heart problems.  I'd like to hear
the different treatments people got from their doctor.

For example, I was placed on doxacycline for 10 days.

-- 
Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  
From the beautiful and historic Mid-Hudson Valley area of NY state
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 04:25:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep07.191935.22113@NeoSoft.com> arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
>In article <=xy1Hh=&h9@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>> 
>> Oh, so you're saying that it applies to Disney movies, but only if they
>> are shown in the afternoon?  And if I read a Disney book, I can talk
>> about it there if i read it in the afternoon?
>
>Maybe you're not familiar with the term "Disney Afternoon."  It describes
>a block of afternoon programming, usually (but not always) shown in the 3pm 
>to 5pm time slot.

Yes, I am familiar.  The point is why limit it to "Disney Afternoon"?
Why exclude other disney discussions?  Another point is that this term
is misleading and irrelevant.  If you are truely want a group just for
the 3-5pm time block, call it by its correct term: "after school
programming."  How about alt.tv.after-school?

>And anything relevent is game for discussion.  If a Disney Afternoon episode
>has a movie reference in it, then yes, that movie is appropriate for discussion.
>Even non-DA programming is relevent.

Whoa!  Call the group "disney.afternoon" but things not in Disney
Afternoon are relevant?

>A big topic is how Batman has been
>put into the Fox slot opposite Goof Troop in many markets (and in markets
>where FOX had the DA, then Goof Troop got bumped into a different time slot)
>and so there's a competition there.  So discussion of Batman is relevent.

I don't see how.  Batman is Warner Brothers.  Let it get its own group.

>> It doesn't belong under alt.tv, not because "Disney Afternoon involves
>> considerably more than just the tv shows", but because _Disney_ involves 
>> much more than just tv shows.  (consider groups such as
>> alt.fan.disney.movies, alt.fan.disney.theme-park, alt.fan.disney.books)
>
>But you're grouping us because it's a Disney thing.

What's wrong with this?  Are you ashamed of it being "a Disney thing"?
I'm not.  I'm sure a group/heirarchy just on Disney would be quite
respectable.

>I think the fact that
>Disney produces these shows is incidental.

Hogwash.  Then why even have Disney in the name?  If it is incidental,
then you really should think about the terms you use.

>We're not necessarily fans of
>Disney, we're fans of these shows that happen to be produced by Disney and
>happen to be (mostly) shown in the afternoon.

Oh, but you're not fans of those shows that are not producted by Disney?
Wait!  You just said that you wanted this group to be open to non-Disney
shows!  Which is it?  Is this group limited to the 3-5pm time block
or is it limited to Disney?  You really must decide.  _Then_ you must
pick the name.

>Besides, this is the alt heirarchy so it doesn't really matter.  <wink>

Well, okay, this is true, but it makes for good practice.  <wink>

--Dave
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From: clark@rmit.edu.au (PeterClark)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: alt.architecture
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:39:37 GMT
Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: design1.edc.rmit.oz.au

I would like to see the newsgroup alt.architecture established for users 
interested in a discourse in architecture and urban design ideas...

I don't understand the significance of whether the group should be under sci.
what-ever except that architecture is of course not generally considered a  
science...

cheers,
Peter