HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:11:24 GMT
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center

In article <1dp21cINNnmq@fido.asd.sgi.com> danac@morc.asd.sgi.com (Dana Crom) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.093944.1350@news.arc.nasa.gov> howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland) writes:

>>
>
>Never underestimate the stupidity of the average driver.  I once had a
>woman run into the back of my VAN.  I had been sitting at a red light,
>fourth or fifth in a line of cars, for about 15 seconds when she ran
>into me.  Fortunately, she was only going about 5 miles an hour, since
>she was trying to move right a lane and traffic was slow.  You guessed
>it, though - she didn't see me.  Broad daylight, too.  If she had even
>*suggested* that it wasn't her fault, I would have considered homicide.
>


I think school buses must be invisible just like motorcycles.  Many moons ago I
drove a bus for the Lubbock  school district.  I the short time I did this, I 
believe I had more close calls with idiots who didn't see me than I ever did on
the bike.   I think people feel absolutely invulnerable in cars.  It is amazing
some of the crap you see people try to pull with trucks and the like.

******************************************************************************
Mike Serafin             serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com       Texas Instruments
DoD #0742  AMA #671922  HOG #                            Dallas, Texas
1967 Firebird 326              1982 Honda CM250C
1969 Barracuda Formula 340S    1993 H-D FLHS 
1988 Ford F250 4x4             1964 Cessna 310I (FOR SALE)
1991 Ford Escort GT
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From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 2-strokes (was:Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question or two...
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:29:34 GMT
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu

In article <1992Nov12.215739.10125@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.172357.2534@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>>
>>	Have you ever considered a GSXR-50 ?  (imagine a fully-faired
>>sportbike, lean, mean GSXR - about the size of a tricycle with a 50cc
>>2-stroke motor).
> 
> Is this a put-on? I've seen the YSR 50 & 80, and heard of the NSR, but I 
> didn't know that Suzuki had one.

	Funniest thing I ever saw !  It was in the paddock at Mid-Ohio.

> Flame me if I'm wrong (or even if I'm right, if that turns you on) but I
> believe that 2-strokes pollute because of the unburned mixture that winds
> up in the exhaust at low rpm, and that the oil has little to do with it.
> In fact, catalytic converters easily take care of these large-particle
> emmissions, and 2-strokes produce less noxious gas, which is harder to get
> rid of. The environment is one reason why the car makers are putting 
> research efforts into 2-stroke technology these days.
> 
> My, and I believe all other Canadian RZs do not have catalytic converters,
> but I hear that all the US ones did. I think that they were banned from
> the US import list because of noise, not pollution.

	Interesting...  shows you what I know about 2-strokes.  I would sure
like to see a current-tech streetable 2-stroke.  Sheah, good luck.  *sigh*

Rob
--
Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon) "It hisses on snakes."   AMA 642916   DoD 0593
'79 XT500 (The Bitch)        '90 Plymouth Laser RS (Sweetie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: R100GS final drive trouble
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:22:35 GMT
Reply-To: Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com>
Organization: HP-UX Kernel Lab, Cupertino, CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

John Howard Osborn (osborn@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
: They told me:
:  - Go for a long (50mi+) ride every once in a while
:  - Think about changing the drive fluid more often than the
:    manual suggests
: 
: Comments?

how about go for longer rides or change fluids more often?
what's wrong with that advice?

-- hesh
From: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Suicidal cager
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:37:51 GMT

Yesterday, there was a bizarre story in the news here in Denver.

James Pedlar was apparently attempting suicide by running his
car into a large elm tree at high speed in urban Denver.  He ran
a stop sign enroute to the tree.  Matthew Burke, a father of four,
had just bought a new motorcycle, and was on his way to a friend's
house to show it off.  He had the misfortune to be in the intersection
at exactly the wrong time.  Burke was killed instantly.  Ironically,
Pedlar did still succeed in hitting the tree, but he was only slightly
injured.  Police found a suicide note in the pocket of his jacket on
the car seat.
--

P.M. Smith
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: hersey@melon.cis.ohio-state.edu (james arthur ii hersey)
Subject: 90' CBR 600
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: oh
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:42:28 GMT

FOR SALE:

1990 CBR 600F
GREY AND WHITE
GREAT CONDITION!!!!
REGULAR MAINTAINCE
NEW R. TIRE (METZLER)
NEVER SEEN GAS LOWER THAN 94 OCTANE
GARAGED!!!!!
NEW BATTERY

W/ MATCHING AGV THEMA HELMET (SELL'S FOR 299.00)

ONLY $3400.00

SEND RESPONSES TO HERSEY@CIS.OHIO-STATE.EDU

THANKS
JIM
From: bloom@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Loud pipes: get some perspective
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:32:57 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

In article <1crisuINNgi1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> In article 12214@cis.ohio-state.edu, hogan@kiwi.cis.ohio-state.edu (christopher hogan) writes:
>>
>>I think I have a right to sound as loud as I wish, as
>>long as I do no one harm. 
> 
> You may think that all you want.  You may also think you have the right
> to drive as fast as you wish, smoke whatever drugs you wish, view
> whatever obscenities you wish, and rewire the lights in your house
> however you wish, all so long as you do no one harm.
> 
> You are, of course, mistaken.
> 
> ---
> Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,

I, of course, think you are both mistaken.  You can't be as loud as you 
wish if you wish to be louder than the law permits.  The law has already 
determined for you what is an acceptable noise limit to the masses.  I 
don't wish to wind up as deaf as Pete Townsend.  Your noise can harm me. 
Your smoking drugs in your house cannot harm me - go right ahead.  Your 
viewing obscenities (whatever that is) cannot harm me - go right ahead.
.........Dr. Doom
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: groh@upsilon.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: Keith Code Racing School
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:36:55 GMT

In article <BxHxAs.870@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com> dan@Earth.Dirt.Mud.Slime (Dan Grindey) writes:
>Is there anyone out there on the net who has been to Keith Codes' racing school.I saw an article in this newsgroup a long time and though it would be a great   idea to fly over to california and combine a vacation and some tuition.
>
>A few questions to the people who have been to the school..
>
>1) Were you a better racer after the course, if so what aspect of racing
>improved as a result.?

I wasn't a racer before the class, and I'm still not.  However I can
go through corners significantly faster now without staining my underwear.

>
>
>2) Is there a standard course that Keith runs or can you do as much or as little as you want.?

Three versions, priced accordingly.
     Regular Session  (AM or PM)
     Extended Session (All Day)
     Two Day Session

>
>3) What is Keiths telephone number and mailing address.?

Oops, info at home.  Email me and I will respond with numbers and address.

>
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "It Yips a Bit doesn't It.?"
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dan Grindey
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ FZR600 Apeshit Racing
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ dan@hpwin248.uksr.hpcom 


-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: i want to change the color of my seat
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:19:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.062409.7661@ncsu.edu> jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
>In article <BxJ8Kt.EHC@acsu.buffalo.edu> acsodef@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (DOUGLAS) writes:

>sells them for about $30.  I don't know how good or bad the covers are

Or go to the local fabric store and spend $4.50 on 1/2 yard of heavy vinyl
used for outdoor upholstery (seats on boats, etc.)

Use paper to trace the outline of the panels of your current seat (or place
seams where the tightest radius curves are) and make a pattern.

I did this, and my fiance and I had the seat made and on in less than 2 hrs.
I found out later that this was supposedly very hard to do, and was near
impossible to make look 'right'.  My seat looks better than new (different 
pattern on the surface) and the foam is custom fitted to yours truly.

BTW, I have seen the JC Whitney product, and it sucks.  Looks like that cheap
vinyl used in fake leather jackets (VERY thin) backed by 1/4" of open cell
foam that makes your seat look like a dead, burned marshmallow.

If you do this, make sure the seams are "flat" seams lest they leak water 
into the foam under the vinyl, like this:

       ------------------\ /-------------------
                          \\______
                           -------

Later
CP Tomes
Cheap and damn proud of it.
From: sbc@calmasd.Prime.COM (Sheri Coble)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Question regarding the Suzuki GS500E (1991, 1992)
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:20:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.5233
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


I'm planning on buying my first bike within the next few months. I'm
posting this in hopes of getting some advice before I buy.

I'm considering buying a '91 or '92 Suzuki GS500E and have the following questions:

1. How reliable/dependable is this bike?  

2. How does it handle in your opinion? Anything I should watch out for?

3. If I buy it used, what should I look out for ? 

4. Are protective boots, gloves and jackets going to be hard to find
for a person my size? Any suggestion on brands/companies?

Some background info: I'm a small female approx. 5 feet tall. I will 
mainly be using this bike to commute to and from work.

Thanks for any info you can give me,
Sheri
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Police bike/cruiser safety (was: Perot's proposed gas tax)
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:16:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> We don't have police motorcyclists in my area

 Neither do we.  Every time one of the PDs tries it, they shortly run
out of officers stupid enough to climb on a copcycle in uniform.  It's
like waving a red flag at the cagers, "HERE!  LOOK AT ME!  KILL A COP
AND GET AWAY WITH IT!"

 That's why, most places where there are copcycles, they ride in pairs.
Which is rather wasteful of manpower.
                                                
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: R100GS final drive trouble
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:27:44 GMT

In article <JET.92Nov5101740@boxer.nas.nasa.gov> jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
>"osborn" == John Howard Osborn <osborn@cs.utexas.edu> writes:
>osborn> They told me: - Go for a long (50mi+) ride every once in a
>osborn> while - Think about changing the drive fluid more often than
>osborn> the manual suggests
>
>osborn> Comments?
>
>Kick them in the head several times?
>
>First off, how does that much water get in there *in the first place*?
>Is this a prob with BMW's in general, or is this a symptom of a bad
>seal?  Also, should the final drive really be able to "boil" water?  I
>hope not...

	Touch one sometime after a long, hard ride.  They get HOT!!!

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            1975 CB360T (needs a name)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
From: marrevola@iris-dcp.es
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: High speed in USA?
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:17:16 GMT
Organization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D

I have just read the review about '93 ZX-11 in our best spanish magazine:
Motociclismo. Our pressman was arrested cause he was riding at 80 mph.
He could not tell his readers how the bike is, but He told us many things
about that fuckin'jail.

Do you think that Kawasaki had a good idea by showing its new bike in US?

Do bike-riders go fast in US? How many of you have been arrested?
Cheers,

manolo@taf.fundesco.es
ZX-11
DR-600-S
DoD? Waiting the K...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: *** '74 KAW MACH II FOR SALE ***
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:24:29 GMT

In <3880162@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:

>1974 Kawasaki Mach II 400 triple.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 I thought the Mach II was like H2 was like 750.
                   ???

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |          **           | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer" - IT175 |           - anonymous











Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Re: HONDA GB500 - club racer single.
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization
Distribution: na
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:12:22


wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich) writes:

   jbothwel@bnr.ca (James Bothwell P920) writes:
   >Saw a GB500 in a Honda Dealer's showroom last week.  The styling 
   >is iffy but I like the weight and the torque of the big single.
   >The narrow tire should make the bike responsive but would lower the 
   >maximum cornering force.  Any comments on this bike from netland??

   Iffy?  Iffy!  I think they're damn cute.  

Yeah, me too.  I love mine.  It's like a Norton that starts every
morning.  (I bought a Miata for the same reason--it's like an MG
that starts every morning).

It's my first bike, and perfect for it--small and light, but hot
enough to still be interesting 2 years later.

   had enough ground clearance to put hair on your chest (if you tried to
   use it all, that is).
   on public roads, going as fast as I could considering the conditions
   ...
   I never had any handling problems.  

I have to agree with these.  It turns quick, and it's not too hard
to scrape a peg (if that's your thing :->).  It also accelerates
pretty well;  I have an old Magazine article that said it was 0-60 
in < 5secs.  The best acceleration is around 4-5K RPM, and the redline 
is 6.5K.

To address a recent thread, it can also wheelie, although I didn't
find this out on purpose.  And it didn't come up very far, just a
sort of loft.

One thing though--the tires are really small: 90/90 in the front and
100/90 in the rear.  It's about time for me to get new ones, and you
don't seem to have much selection in that size.  From reading the ads,
none of the cool, expensive, high performance tires come that small.
I'm kinda bummed, cause I wanted some Pirellis :->

--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, Honda GB-500, duke@osf.org
From: james@muppet.bt.co.uk (James Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: what is Too Much Power?
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:24:33 GMT
Reply-To: james@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

Well, this may help one way or the other.  I passed my UK test (or
tests as you have two over here before you can ride anything over
125cc) back at the end of May this year.  The day I passed my test`
I ripped the Learner plates of the back of my honda MTX 125 and 
prowdly with test certificate in hand wandered about various bike
shop is London trying to decude waht bike to buy.  I had the idea
that I may buy a ZZR600, although was rather timid about telling 
anyone about this as I kept being told that I should get something
under 500cc's.

Well later on that day I rode home about a mile to my London flat
through rush hour traffic on a brand new GSXR750 WN.  By the time
I got home I wanted my good old MTX back again.  This was nothing to
do with all the power the bike had but the fact that I was in charge
of 6500 pounds worth of brand new motorcycle.

The next day I decided to bite the bullet and take it down the motorway
to the Kent countryside where I used to live.  I figured that I would
be a good place to get used to the bike as I knew the area really well.
I rode all day except for short breaks as I dropped in on old friends
to show them my new bike.  Anyway I was right, it was just the right
place to check out the bike.  Somewhere you know well.  I came home
that night aching all over but with a big grin on my face.

After that it did take a while to get used to piloting 240kg of GSXR
through traffic but then its not really designed for that anyway.

Five months and 9000 miles later I have no regrets at all about buying
the GSXR as my first proper bike.  A GSXR is of course rather a fast
bike and I am probably one of the more extreme cases in terms of
going out and buying a larger CC'd bike.  So go for it, the extra
power is always usefull for getting OUT of scrapes, plus the bike
will probably be more comfortable. (OK, not a GSXZR).

But please don't be put off by people who think riders should stick
to under 500cc until they have had a million years experience.  On
this side of the pond it's helping the EEC inforce a 100 bhp limit.

Be safe and have fun,

James
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: California SuperBike School (Road Atlanta)
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:56:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.133013.19285@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes:
[story about superbike school]
|to me. Sports bikes are a lot of fun and I certainly can understand 
|why people like them so much. 

  Thanks, Jim - its nice to hear a Harley owner such as yourself show this
live-and-let-live attitude!  It seems pretty uncommon, sometimes.  Perhaps
someday I'll own a Harley, even... :-)  (Probably not very soon, though :-).

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
From: k21701@kyyppari.hkkk.fi (Teppo Nieminen)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: The last one of its kind ?
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:50:02 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Helsinki School of Economics, Finland

In <Stafford-021192080901@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:

>In article <k21701.720690185@kyyppari>, k21701@kyyppari.hkkk.fi (Teppo
>Nieminen) wrote:
>> 
>[...]
>> It is a matter of serious debate if these 180 mph missiles are good
>> for us, or necessary to us, but [...]

>	They said the same thing in the US about the Vincent Black Shadow in the
>	fifties.  Too fast for the American market.  I wonder if they ever did
>	ban them as was rumored.

Fascinating point, really. I mean, in absolute terms ZX-11 is a
blast when compared to Vincent. It is like comparing a F-16 with a
Sopwith Camel. On the other hand, how fast it is in relation to modern
tires, suspensions, roads, riding gear, etc.:

	Vincent                     ZX-11

Tires:	Dunlop Triangulars          Dunlop Sportmaxes
Suspension:not worth mentioning     plenty, and with adjustments
roads: full of potholes             full of cops
gear: Belstaffs and a puddle-       racing leathers and an Arai	
      basin helmet (if any)			

So, a lot of things have improved since the 50's. But riders have
remained the same. Mankind has not physically evolved much since then.
Our reactions are still better suited to walking speeds than going 180
mph. IMHO, the limits of superbikes will not be found in technology, but in
the riders. Too much capacity for the average Joe has a lethal
potential. Or do people buy ZX-11's because they want to KNOW they can
go 180 mph, or because they WANT to go 180 mph ? Opinions invited...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Shaft effect, What is it?
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:14:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.221823.14935@asl.dl.nec.com> drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp writes:
|The only disadvantages of a shaft I can see is that:
[...]
|	ii)	The movement of the tail of the bike under acceleration and
|		deceleration will produce a slightly more unsettled bike under
|		extreme riding conditions.
|
|Neither of which have been mentioned by you, or anyone else in this discussion
|except by Mike in a roundabout sort of way.

  BULLSHIT.  What do you think all that discussion about unsettling the bike
at a full lean was about?  For that matter, that is NOT that extreme of a
riding condition for a lot of people.  *You* not getting into a full lean
might mean you just don't ride very hard - but that is not THAT extreme...

|Why can't we just accept that each method of drive can be used for just about
|anything, and will be dumped as soon as a good hydraulic drive system comes
|along?  (Evil grin.....)

  I never said they couldn't, just that, IMO, chain drive was better for
hard cornering and aggressive riding involving corners.  I can send you the
articles (rather than repost them here) where I said exactly *that* a number of
times, which you decided to contradict. 

  Its pretty funny that you now re-iterate one of the two points I was
stressing as your own, then try to play it down...

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jaclayto@nyx.cs.du.edu (john clayton)
Subject: info requested
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:15:24 GMT


hello ecverybody

i am interested in buying a 250cc bike and was wondering if
anybody could help me out with supplying info and common faults
weaknesses hassles e.t.c.  

the models are:  honda vt250f
                 honda cb250rs
                 honda cbx250rs

i look forward to reading your responses via rec.motorcycles

manty  thanks          

         john
From: edwang@elst9.40 (Ed Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: 83 BMW R65 for SALE $2250 OBO only 2k miles
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:20:32 GMT
Reply-To: edwang@elst9.40
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation


Hi Great Bay Area Bikers,

	I have an 83 BMW R65, it only has 2k miles on it. Excellent condition.
	One BMW helmet, cover, hard case saddle bags, lock, backrest. Garage
	kept. 

	I'm in San Jose. But I will deliver it to most of the Bay area. 
	
	Asking $2250. O.B.O. Take a look and make an offer.
	
	E-mail edwang@elst9.lsil.com or 408-433-7837.
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:22:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Loud pipes: get some perspective
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA