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Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Northern California Sect
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:44:00 -0500

KT>>I'm completely confused.  Why would the teams switch seeds after an upset?

KT>I guess this is sort of my question, what is the default way of running a UP
KT>tournament where seeding matters.  This one was announced to run in such a

There are some UPA psuedo-standards regarding tourney format, etc.
Since I musta missed the beginning, could you let me know what happened
here - especially if it was a UPA Sectional Tournament?

 * SLMR 2.1a * File not found.  Fake it? (Y/N)

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From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger (Davebo))
Subject: Re: Boundry Rules Question
Organization: large
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:56:02 GMT

Adam I. Lowe (Adam_Lowe@Brown.Edu) wrote:
: I overheard a discussion about this topic on the sidelines today
: at the Chowdahfest.  I didn't stick around for all of it, but the
: more I think about it, the less I am sure about the general rules
: on the subject.  A quick word search of the current FTP'able rules
: provided no insight on the matter, even though one of the sideline
: crowd claimed that it was contained in them.
As it is; see below.

: Anyhow, what's either the "official" rule that I can't find, or
: the general consesus ruling on the following:
: 
: A player seeing a floater cross the boundry line, runs herself
: out-of-bounds, jumps and catches it in the air, and lands in bounds.
: 
: Is there a rule on last-point-of-contact before leaping must be inbounds?
: 
IX. Out-of-Bounds

2.  A disc is out-of-bounds when it firsts contacts an out-of-bounds area
or contacts anything out-of-bounds.

4.  A player is out-of-bounds when it is contacting an out-of-bounds area.
When a player is in the air, its in or out of bounds is determined by where
it last contacted the ground.

[from the 9th Ed.]

So if she ran out-of-bounds and then jumped back on the field, the rules
say she was OOB.

:   Adam_Lowe@Brown.Edu  (Internet),   ST201691@BROWNVM  (BitNet)

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From: lind@ils.nwu.edu (Jeff Lind)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Weird play at Hampshire-rules?
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:27:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.disc
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences

(Chris Lehmann) wrote:

> O.k. this is a pet-peeve issue of mine. It is my contention that SOTG assumes
> that all players on the field understand the rules of the game and want a 
> game that is played by the rules, with the understanding that competiveness
> should never overrule fair play.
> That being said, only the player with the disc can call time out. 

I'll accept this for the sake of argument, but consider for a moment if
this is entirely true in common practice:  I've seen many games where an
injury occurs in some remote corner of the field and only the people there
call "Time Out."  Even though play continues for a bit after this, no one
argues that play shouldn't be restarted from where it was when the injury
occured.

But, staying with what you said, no one except the player with the disc may
call a TO, and therefore, when the other Yale players called "Time Out"
*they* were violating not only the SOTG, but the rules themselves.  In my
view, they should not be allowed to gain advantage from this.

> Everyone should know this rule, and therefore should 
> not have stopped running. A misunderstanding of the rules by one team 
> should not constitute a SOTG violation by the other team.

Right, and sticking with your strict interpretation of the TO rule, the
Yale players should not say "Time out" if they don't have the authority to.
 If they get some advantage from it (it's unclear from the original post if
they did in this case or not), it becomes a lot like screaming at a guy to
scare him just before he catches a disc: verbal distraction.


--Jeff
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: touch O/B = O/B
Date: 3 Oct 1992 18:00:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


>jeffw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (jeff waldeck) writes:
>>The offensive player cut to the sideline and his teammate threw the disc to
>>him. The catch was not clean - he "bobbled it" for a few seconds before
>>catching it. While bobling it he was clearly O/B (he admitted this), but
>>when he finally had the disc under control, he had stepped in bounds.

Clearly out of bounds.  If the disc touches anything out
 of bounds, it's out of bounds.  It's in the rules.  End
 of story.
-- 
Francis A. Uy			now a Bawlmorean, hon.
Program Director, WUMD		ISO part time job to pay the rent.
From: ke0w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenny Eng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Pennsylvania Sectionals
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:56:05 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

does anyone know the exact directions to the oaks aka lower perkionen park?
  is it possible to get there by SEPTA?
thanks.
From: tnt@netcom.com (Terry Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Doob/Dube derivation?
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:32:17 GMT
Organization: Watch the Skies

In article <BvGMtz.AGL@unix.amherst.edu> djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger (Davebo)) writes:

   Does anyone out there know (I'm sure _someone_ out there does) where
   the word "doob" or "dube" or whatever for a layout comes from?  As in
   "Game to 5, doob rule!"

my guess is that it comes from what we called "doobies for d's" in which a
doobie or joint is awarded to anyone getting a horizontal d.

but i am curious to know the "official" version.

-- 
terry
	tnt@netcom.com
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From: 93asw@williams.edu (Andrew Wright)
Subject: Re: Doob/Dube derivation?
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:15:42 GMT

That last post screwed up, sorry.
In the most recent Purple Valley Tournament (at Williams COllege), the
word from the alum team was that a really amazing layout (or doob) was
cause to pause the game for a hit.  Things have changed, for the
better or worse, I'll let you decide.

Andrew

>In article <TNT.92Oct1163217@netcom.com> tnt@netcom.com (Terry Turner) writes:
>>In article <BvGMtz.AGL@unix.amherst.edu> djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu
(David Weisberger (Davebo)) writes:
>> 
>> Does anyone out there know (I'm sure _someone_ out there does) where 
>> the word "doob" or "dube" or whatever for a layout comes from?  As in 
>> "Game to 5, doob rule!"
>> 
>>my guess is that it comes from what we called "doobies for d's" in which a 
>>doobie or joint is awarded to anyone getting a horizontal d


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From: peter@geology.wisc.edu (Peter Burkholder)
Subject: Where can I find 9th Ed. rules?
Organization: Department of Geology & Geophysics, University of Wisconsin - Madison.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:18:47 GMT

I've been checking this news group fairly regularly for the last few weeks,
but I've seen no FAQ posting.  Wasn't an FAQ being posted last spring?

At any rate, I told my Anarchist Ultimate pals that I would bring a copy of
the 9th edition rules to our pick-up game today.  Don't make me show up
empty-handed!  Please mail or post the rules, or post an Internet address
for FTP'ing them.

Thanks,

P.S.  I read a few weeks ago that John Capozzi, a pillar of the DC Ultimate
community, was in the race fo DC shadow representative.  Did he win the
primary?

-Peter Burkholder	UW-Madison, Geophysical and Polar Research Center
 peter@geology.wisc.edu
From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD])
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: This is where you can find the 9th edition rules of Ultimate
Date: 3 Oct 92 23:00:48 GMT
Organization: GaTEA, Slug Division

In <1992Oct1.184239.19186@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> "Thomas Griesbaum" <KA04@DKAUNI2.BITNET> writes:

>Seeing this question appear about once a week here is what the FAQ
>says:
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>3)  Is there an FTP site for Disc stuff?
>     ------------------------------------

>     A anonymous FTP site for the rec.sport.disc archives has been set
>       sabertooth.cs.wisc.edu
>     in the directories pub/ultimate.

Whoops.  There's a mistake in the FAQ if that's what it says.

The archive has been moved to ftp.cs.wisc.edu, still pub/ultimate.

It contains the rules and other assorted wonders, including an archive  of
rec.sport.disc starting from Sept 92.

(And to Peter who posted the request, from a building just across the
street from me..., sorry I'm late on responding.  Very busy week.

-- 
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From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger (Davebo))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Doob/Dube derivation?
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:43:34 GMT
Organization: large
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Andrew Wright (93asw@williams.edu) wrote:
: Andrew
: 
: In article <TNT.92Oct1163217@netcom.com> tnt@netcom.com (Terry Turner) writes:
: >In article <BvGMtz.AGL@unix.amherst.edu> djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger (Davebo)) writes:
: >
: >   Does anyone out there know (I'm sure _someone_ out there does) where
: >   the word "doob" or "dube" or whatever for a layout comes from?  As in
: >   "Game to 5, doob rule!"
: >
: >my guess is that it comes from what we called "doobies for d's" in which a
: >doobie or joint is awarded to anyone getting a horizontal d
: 
: 
Oh, good job, Andrew.  You must go to Williams or something. 


-Davebo

Amherst Flying Squirrels			djweisberger@amherst.edu
"Why are these squirrels unhappy?"		djweisbe@amhux3.amherst.ed
From: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Masters Team for Sectionals
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:50:31 GMT
Reply-To: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: vermont.east.sun.com


	The northeast division masters team is still looking for some players
to help round out our team for the sectionals tournament in Portland, Me
Oct 10-11. A number of our team members won't be joining us until after
sectionals so we'll be short-handed until then. If you're 30 or over and
interested in playing this Fall please contact me. Please pass this information
on to any players you may know who don't have email access.


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From: dlwilson@fenix.encore.com (David L Wilson)
Subject: Florida Sectionals Results
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:50:57 GMT
Summary: g'ville, miami, orlando, wpb
Keywords: huntsville

The results of the Florida Sectionals, held this weekend in Ft. Myers:

 1. Gainesville Vicious Cycle (over Miami 17-14 in the final)
 2. Miami Refugees
 3. Orlando Dogs of War
 4. West Palm Beach Illegitimate Kennedys

See you in Huntsville.

Dave Wilson
From: speg@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Doug Speheger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Anybody from Purdue?
Date: 6 Oct 92 05:55:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Originator: news@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu

Is there anybody from Purdue on this newsgroup?  I'm a former player at 
Purdue and am just curious how things are going in West Lafayette.  You
can respond to me directly by e-mailing to : speg@metgem.gcn.uoknor.edu

Thanks.
Doug 

-- 
        _
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University of Oklahoma, School of Meteorology
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From: rex@b23a.b23a.ingr.com (Rex O'Quinn)
Subject: Gulf Coast and Florida Sectional Results
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:47:43 GMT


Gulf Coast Sectionals Tournment Results
(Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi & Louisiana)

11 Teams showed up in Baton Rouge for the chance of playing in Southern 
Regionals 92'. For 3 of the teams it was their first sectional competition.
Saturdays Play left the following results and set the bracket for Sundays
road to Regionals.

		Saturdays Play

Pool A					Pool B
Birmingham Wizzards	 4-0		Freaks UV Nature (Huntsville) 5-0
NO Gravity (New Orleans) 3-1		Baton Rouge		      4-1
Mobile			 2-2		Little Rock		      3-2
Univ. Southern Miss      1-3		Fayettville		      2-3
Bama			 0-4		Baton Rouge Scrap	      1-4
					Layfaye               0-5 



		Sundays Play

Birmingham   --|
	       |-Birmingham	--|
Fayetteville --|		  |
				  |-Birmingham  --|
Baton Rouge  --|		  |		  |
	       |-Baton Rouge	--|		  |
Mobile	     --|				  |
						  |-Huntsville
						  |
Huntsville   --|				  |
	       |-Huntsville	--|		  |
USM   	     --|		  |		    |		1-Huntsville
				  |-Huntsville	--|		2-Birmingham
New Orleans  --|		  |				3-Baton Rouge
	       |-New Orleans	--|				4-New Orleans
Little Rock  --|			

					Baton Rouge --|
						      |-Baton Rouge	
					New Orleans --|


Also Results from Florida Sectionals that I heard about.
Gainsville beat Miami 17-14 in finals.

1-Gainsville 
2-Miami
3-Orlando
4-West Palm Beach
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From: dks@Apple.COM (dk smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Doob/Dube derivation?
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:57:47 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Oct2.171542.16712@williams.edu> 93asw@williams.edu (Andrew Wright) writes:
>That last post screwed up, sorry.
>In the most recent Purple Valley Tournament (at Williams COllege), the
>word from the alum team was that a really amazing layout (or doob) was
>cause to pause the game for a hit.  

So does this reduce this player's aerobic performance and decrease his/her 
stamina overall? ... sorta like a handicap to make the teams better matched?

;-)

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From: tnt@netcom.com (Terry Turner)
Subject: Re: Weird play at Hampshire-rules?
Organization: Watch the Skies
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:15:18 GMT

In article <16876109EB.CRAAARB@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CRAAARB@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:


   yelling "call time-out". Apparently, a couple of the other Yale players turned
   to the players marking them and said 'time out'. Although no one was really run
   ning around, it isn't clear whether this was from the time-out call or the turn
   over. Anyways, the Yale player who was running down the disc had no intention
   of listening to his captain, ran the disc up to the goal line, and hucked a
   backhand most of the length of the field to his team-mate who had, seeing
   the handler rush the disc to the goal line, taken off down field. 

this is the old fake timeout play. we used to joke about using this in a
game. 

technically, it is legal of course. but the players saying, "time out" who
do not have the disc are creating a disrupting influence--kind of like
yelling at the receiver because you cannot make a play and hoping it will
distract him. while yelling timeout when you don't have the disc is, as
far as i know, never done with the intention of distracting the other
team, players should be aware that it can have this effect and say
something like: "CALL timeout". this will help the defense avoid this
costly and embarrassing mistake. and defense, don't be so lazy that you
stop play just cause you hear "timeout". make sure it is before you stop.

with that the reverend ultimate ends his sermon.

amen.



-- 
terry
	tnt@netcom.com
From: jeffw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (jeff waldeck)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:04:56 GMT
Subject: Re: O/B Rules question
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc

Here's another O/B question from this weekend's sectionals in Missoula...

The offensive player cut to the sideline and his teammate threw the disc to
him. The catch was not clean - he "bobbled it" for a few seconds before
catching it. While bobling it he was clearly O/B (he admitted this), but
when he finally had the disc under control, he had stepped in bounds.

He maintained that since he did not have control of the disc until he was
in bounds, he should be considered in bounds.

The dissenting opinion was that since he was O/B when he first contacted the
disc, and bobbled it for a few seconds while moving inbounds, it should
be O/B.

What would you call this? O/B or I/B? Why?

The horrible part of this was that while the 2 individuals initially began
to peacefully (as peacefully as you can be in a semis sectionals game :) )
discuss the call, as the minutes dragged on everyone got involved. After
appx. 5 minutes of haggling, it was played over with the disc going back
to the thrower. No decision was ever reached - the disc went back to the
thrower because that was the only solution (besides an I/B call) that the
other team would accept. 

Funny thing was, except for the 2 players directly involved, hardly anyone
ON the field cared what the call was (we wanted to resume play ASAP).
It was the people OFF the field that were very emotional...



On a related (well, sort off...) note, the other team had an enourmous
sideline crew. as the game was intense (semi's - winner went to regionals,
losers end their season), everyone on that sideline was straining for a
view. several times our player was trapped on their sideline. Not only
did the players/fans on the sideline not yield the sideline to our player,
there were a few people 2-3' ON THE FIELD! We asked many many times (we
even talked to their captain directly, who replied "chill out!") for
them to "stay off the field/give us the sideline PLEASE!" to NO effect.
When in a similar situation, we always backed way off the sideline for
them (despite strong feelings to the contrary about an eye-for-an-eye).

In all fairness, there was one player on their team who tried to do
something, but 100 people are hard to control with 1 person.

What would you do in this situation? In 12 years of ultimate I have
never had this happen to this extent. Can you call a foul? Lodge a protest?
take photographs and sue? shoot them? In keeping with the spirit of the
game the last 2 are obviously absurd, but when we asked this question
to the other team we were laughed at and told to "quit being pricks".

Kind of makes you want to install electric fence type boundry markers
(10 feet back from the sidelines!).

Jeffery Waldeck
Boise, Idaho
jeffw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
Jeffery Waldeck
Boise, Idaho
jeffw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com


p.s. - for anyone that was there I was the "real vocal one" by the endzone.
       and yes, I cannot talk today because of my "concern"


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From: scraig@elipse.mentorg.com (Stuart Craig)
Subject: Northwest Sectionals (Re: Standard format for sectionals?)
Originator: scraig@elipse
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 22:09:34 GMT
Distribution:  na
Organization: Mentor Graphics 
Keywords: 
Followup-To: rec.sport.disc


In article <Bvo6t3.Ewr@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, reid@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
(David Reid) writes:
|> 	Now the question is:  What is the official UPA format for Sectionals?
|> Is there one?  If not, then why not?  How much authority does the sectional
|> coordinator have in deciding the format?  Do other sections have single 
|> elimination on the second of the tourney?

I can only answer the last question:  Yes, our section (Northwest) has had
single elimination on Sunday at sectionals.  This has been true for at least
the last five years.

While I'm at it I might as well post the few results that I remember.  I was
hoping that a nameless somebody who helped organize the tournament would
report on it.  (That's a hint Di!)

There were ten men's teams in two pools:

1. Oregon Rhino Slam          1. Seattle Sockeye
2. Portland Hoodlums          2. Seattle Cutthroat
3. Humboldt Buds              3. Eugene (I don't remember their team name)
4. Seattle Bushushuru         4. Corvalis Sundogs
5. Portland Men on the Merge  5. Olympia Spawn

Some of the teams were using different names -- I think that Bushushuru (is
that spelled right?) were calling themselves Mountain Loaf.

The final matchup was as expected -- Rhino Slam vs. Sockeye.  The result was
unexpected -- Sockeye took control of the game early and never looked back,
upsetting Rhino Slam 17-14 (I think).

The game for the third berth at regionals was Cutthroat vs. Hoodlums with
Cutthroat winning.

There were seven women's teams and I'm not even going to attempt to list
them!  Sunday must have been a day for upsets -- Portland's Swarm defeated
Seattle's Women on the Verge in the final.

Later,
Stu

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From: fontes@astro.psu.edu (Chris Fontes)
Subject: NE sectionals location
Organization: Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, Penn State University
Distribution: rec.sport.disc
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:27:00 GMT

  Howdy! A friend of mine wil be visiting his homeland of Boston soon
and he wants to check out some high level ultimate. From the Newsletter,
it looks like the Eastern New England sectional will be on Oct 11,12.
Can anyone give me the location of this momentous occasion?
  The Western New England sectional has even less info posted in the
Newsletter. Can anyone give me the date and place for this event?
If possible email me the info before the work day ends (5pm Mtn time zone).
Your help is much appreciated.
Adios,
Chris "Goin ho in the American Southwest" Fontes
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Another O/B question
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:44:23 GMT


In article <1992Sep25.200821.25539@icd.teradyne.com> eisenhof@zax.eda.teradyne.com (Karl Eisenhofer) writes:
>If a player catches a frisbee with one food planted firmly out
>and the other planted firmly inbounds, is that out or in?

9th Edition Rules, Section IX. OUT-OF-BOUNDS:
  5. For a receiver to be considered in bounds after gaining
     possession of the disc, the first point of contact with the
     ground must be completely in bounds. If any portion of the first
     point of contact is out-of-bounds, the player is considered
     out-of-bounds.

So if both feet are down at the same time straddling the line (or any
part of one foot touching the line, see Section III.5), the receiver
is out. Otherwise, first foot down determines the call.

George
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From: "KAMHI, VICTOR" <KAMHIV@pt.cyanamid.com>
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Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 14:35:26 GMT
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I'd like to 'subscribe'. Thanks, VIC


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