From: sidirop@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefanos Sidiropoulos)
Subject: Re: Europeans Stunk
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 02:45:47 GMT

In article <kutluk.712517386@ccl.umist.ac.uk>, kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes:

|> Like every being unsure of what he is saying, you choose the
|> caps-lock style. As a matter of fact, much before the Greek
|> invaders came to today's Greece, which was populated by the
|> civilizations whose culture to be adopted and whose populations
|> to be destroyed such as Troy or the proto Minoan cities,
            
Here from your "sure non-caps-lock style text" one of the two following
can be inferred:
Either,
(i)  you state that Troy was located in today's Greece
or,
(ii) your sentence is structured incorrectly, Mr. Linguist 

In case (i) you'd better learn hirstory.
In case (ii) you'd better learn linguistics. 
In either case you must study first.

> Nationalism avec champignon ? Now listen to this :

Have you adopted the 'hbm' style Mr. Kutluk or you are the same person ?

>....
an irrelevant mess about Sumerians, Phonecians, Egyptians, Seltzuks, 
Romans, (a brief history of the Eastern Mediterranean according to Mr. 
Kutluk) has been deleted here for brevity. 
I read it two times. It reminded me of Adolf Hitler speeches.


Mr. Kutluk (or Mutluk), and every Turk on Usenet,
You must understand that I am not trying to strip you of your history
You are free to believe that you are ancestor of the Huns and even 
worship them if you wish. The only thing I stated was:
"at the time my ancestors were creating the civilization in today's
 Turkey yours were somewhere in Asia", which you certainly admit (except
 if you are of Egyptian or Sumerian origin).

|> Trust me -  I am the linguist.

Multi talented I see. Then Mr. Linguist could you please inform us what
your books say about the relation between modern and ancient Greek.
I dont think you need references (I will provide you with some in case
you have difficulties though). 
And since you are referring to "some Turkic words" in Sumerian language 
in order to prove a connection between Turks and Sumerians, I hope that 
you will be consistent enough when you see how many ancient Greek words 
are in common use in modern Greek.

AND THIS IS THE LAST TIME I AM ARGUING ABOUT ORIGINS, ANCESTORS ETC.
YOU MAY GO ON IF THAT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER WITH YOUR INFERIORITY COMPLEX.


|> If you say this really believing , it is not a prophecy 
|> there will be further wars in the region - with such blind ignorance.
|> You ridicule the position of tens of thousands of civilian death,
|> and concentration camps, to get a slight advantage in a usenet
|> conversation.  Just as your PM supported Milosevic's genocide, to
|> pressurize the Yugoslav republic of  Macedonia. Actually there is so
|> many to feel guilty about being a "modern Greek" especially of 1992.

Usual 'Mutlu-ish' crap as an answer to the question about the situation
of Kurds in today's Turkey. Mr. Linguist, do you know what discussion is ?

And since we are talking about shame in my previous posting I asked:

>> no body can argue about that. Only fifty years ago millions of Jews 
>> and other settlers of Europe were massacred; the 
>> populations and governments either approved or ignored. Today, while
>
> If I am not mistaken it was the Turkish government who was "neutral"
> during WW-2. Right ? 

I am still waiting for the answer. 

Never mind, I will ask something else:
Since you post from UK, you are kindly requested to inform the network, 
about the contents of the documentary: 
   "The Hidden Holocaust" [Channel 4 - 7/27].


|> Civilization is not buying German cars to show off in streets,
|> shouting  "hass-i", and stuffing yogurtaki, sucukaki, dolmaki whatever,
|> in bodrumi and dolapi, while quoting some alien people from ancient past
|> during EC meetings. It is to understand chauvenism and conceit are

Again the same story about ancient past that its not mine. Ok if you
say so (I said I am not arguing anymore about it, its you and your
complex from now on). 

|> meaningless, and that other human beings in the world are not 
|> enemy. 

Again I will remind you Mr. 'Mutluk' that I am not the one who posts
articles which try to prove that Turks are the worst barbars on the 
face of the earth, although I can very easily do so (see question 
above). On the contrary I can see many articles about Greeks 
massacring X/Y/Z posted by Turks. Whose behavior is hostile ?

I always believed that our people have lots in common and others were 
to blame for the situation between our countries. It seems that I was
wrong.

|>      I hope your ambition calms down and is replaced with wisdom.

I have no ambitions (if you know what the word means Mr. Linguist),
I only hope that someday our countries will get rid of 
fanatics like you.

-- Stef.

PS: you have one more chance before entering my KILL file.
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