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From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: backwards
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:02:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: romulus.MERLYN.92Dec18100227
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA


My first post here.
My second season (first season last year = 7 times on the hill).
But my *sixth* time up this season already.

Yesterday at lunch, before I drove up for night skiing at Timberline
(Mt. Hood, $7 for 4-10pm way cool), someone told me that backwards
skiing really wasn't that hard.  So I gave it a whirl.  And he was right!

I ended up doing a reverse snowplow, and had to think through which
direction I would head if I leaned left and right.  I had my skiing
friend "spot" me, because I didn't want to have to keep looking behind
and losing balance.

But after a hundred yards or so, it became trivial.  I was even
cutting back and forth across the hill, and picking up considerable
speed.

Too much fun.  I'll have to try it some more when I go up Sunday.


--
Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
merlyn@ora.com (semi-permanent) merlyn@reed.edu (for newsreading only)
factoid: "Portland, Oregon, home of the California Raisins and Lone-Star Beer!"
From: Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Boots
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:28:44 GMT
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This may be a question for Europeans but i dont really know.

I have won a pair of Nordica Ski boots, any pair i choose to want,
foam filled top of the range if i want. I am i suppose an average
skier, sometimes on my butt sometimes up at the end, so what model
should i go for?????  I have no idea.

Thanks

Alan
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Subject: Ski Alta!
Reply-To: mark@delfin.com
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:11:41 GMT

In contrast to year's past, there has been no gloating from the Utah
contingent of this newsgroup. What's the matter? Did the storms that have
dumped 8-10' at Kirkwood leave Alta high and dry? 

All kidding aside, I'll be in the area starting 12/31 for about a week and
would love to hook up with some local pinheads for a day trip or two. I'm
a pretty competent telemarker and have a shovel but no beeper. 
-- 
Mark Rosenberg
internet:mark@delfin.com
phone: (408) 562-1126	fax: (408) 748-1140
snail: Delfin Systems, 3000 Patrick Henry Drive, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1814
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From:  Chris Melle <melle@advtech.uswest.com>
Subject: The Transceiver Method (was CO Ave Info)
Originator: melle@graham
Reply-To:  Chris Melle <melle@advtech.uswest.com>
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:54:47 GMT

I've been involved in 1/2 dozen or so searches (in a previous life),
most of which concluded with a body recover via a probe line.  In all
of the Avalanche schools I've attended (Berthoud twice, Silverton once,
and numorous NSPS and local exercises), it was taught to have your
beacon on while scuffing on the chance that the victim(s) also had one.

In a game where time works against you, localizing where to dig (via
beeps in the air or a super sniffer (dog)) will increase the chances
of survival. And, it must always be stated; any trick used to speed up
the search, doesn't guarantee survival.

Chris Melle
(do you think climbing skins for snowboards would sell?^)

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: >Snowboarders Suck
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:44:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.005547.14957@nas.nasa.gov
leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum)
writes:

>In article <BzBnHK.DID@vcd.hp.com thatcher@vcd.hp.com (Garen
>Thatcher)
>writes:
>
>>2. Often times the comment is made that lots of people move from
>>skiing to a snowboard but very seldom back. This is a very stupid
>>line of reasoning to say the one is better than the other. At
>>what level is the person when he gave up skiing? An example of
>
>If I may add my two cents worth, Garen's point 2 here I think is
>very germain.I've been skiing for 17 years and would be considered
>an 'expert' skiier.  Anyway, I have tried snowboarding, but I
>didn't (wouldn't) give up skiing for it.  So does this count as
>someone who went from snowboarding and then back to skiing?  I
>snowboarded enough that I could handle intermediate runs ok, and
>probably will continue to snowboard on poor winters or when
>conditions are bad so there are no challenging runs open for
>skiing.  I don't think I'll take snowboarding over skiing though,
>simply because you can do a lot more on skis than you can on a
>snowboard.  If you doubt this,think of which sport has the speed
>record, distance jumping record, fasterrace times, etc.  This also
>happens to be true of surfing vs. boogie boarding(although the
>metrics there are different, biggest wave, best aerials,etc.)So,
>as a skier who's tried snowboarding, I don't have any animosity
>towards snowboarders or snowboarding and consider it a very
>enjoyable sport, I just wish it didn't screw up the moguls the way
>it does.
>
>Leo Dagum

I must be in an argumentative mood this morning, here goes.

" speed record, distance jumping record, faster race times, etc."? 

What in the heck do these things have to do with what you can do on
a snowboard.  The physics of manipulation of the two types of
equipment results in different expressions in the same medium. 
You're comparing the volume and type of expressions against each
other instead of the quality of those expressions.  And quality,
being a personal subjective experience, cannot be objectively
argued.  Strive for maximum quality not quantity in your life, but
first Leo and Garen will have to get one :-).

Mark Wallace

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: waw@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Mad Dog SkiDeath Wes,email Wesley.Wright@uvm.edu)
Subject: Re: Downhill Skiing at Mt Whiteface, Lake Placid
Originator: waw@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:10:09 GMT

From article <1992Dec15.195243.2350@bnr.ca>, by mstewart@bnr.ca (Michel Stewart):
> Hi Ski-lovers,
> 
>   Can someone answer my questions about Lake Placid:
> 
>   o How is it for an intermediate skier?
OK. Many nice and incredibly long blues and greens
> 
>   o How far is it from Ottawa and how to get there?
> 
Dunno. Not real far. Head south to Cornwall bridge, then take rt 37 east
to Malone. In Malone, get on Rt 30 south to Paul Smiths and get on rt 192.
Follow 192 to Route 86. Take 86 through Saranac lake to Lake Placid and
then onto Whiteface.
> o Does anybody happen to know the phone number 
>     to this mountain? I'd like to know how  
>     much are lift tickets.
> 
hmm..try Alpine Sales office at 518-523-1655, Administration at
518-946-2223, or snow phone at 518-946-7171. Last year's rates were 28.00
weekdays and 32.00 weekends, US funds. Ask about Canadian funds: some US
areas (Jay Peak, for instance) accept Canadian bucks at face value for
lift tickets.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Utah
From: censtad@dion.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:35:12 -0600
Reply-To: censtad@nic.gac.edu   
Distribution: all


E-mail me anything you can about Utah. I'm going to also try to get there  
over Break and would love to get the local view of conditions rather then  
the paid advertisments on the radio.

Thankee

censtad@nic.gac.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: djm@kbs.citri.edu.au (David Mills)
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date:  9 Dec 92 00:21:51 GMT

>In article <1fo1cqINNkiu@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> koichi@unixg.ubc.ca (Koichi J Kishimoto) writes:

>-Long or short skis for learning?-

>I've been skiing on a pair of 185cm skis (I'm about 172cm tall)
>and can turn using a combination of mild snowplow, weight
>transfer and edging (no unweighting yet).

>Anyway, the instructor who booked me in, looked rather surprised 
>when I said I had 185cms and suggested shorter skies might be more 
>appropriate (rentals are not included in this class).

There are three main things affected by ski length:
	- inertial stability -- easy of turning,
	- camber -- weight distribution, and
	- friction -- edge grip

The first category.  The shorter the skis, the easier they are to turn.  This
applies to all levels and types of skiing.  The longer they are the more
difficult they are to turn.  This is the main reason why a beginner (and
intermediate skiers) should definitely NOT be on long skis.  From this point
of view the ONLY advantage of long skis is stability at high speed.  And I
mean HIGH speed.  This is governed by the longitudinal inertia of the ski.
Both the length and the weight of the ski affect this.  So different skis of
the same length will be more or less stable than others.

Unless you ski faster than 40-60kmh most of the time, you will not need a ski
longer than 180cm.

The second category.  If you look down an unweighted ski, it has a bend over
the whole length of the ski.  This is called camber.  The reason a ski is
cambered is so that when you stand on the ski, your weight is distributed
evenly along the length of the ski.  The camber of longer skis is designed to
cope with heavier people than shorter skis are.  So your weight (not you
height) will also affect the length of ski you should choose.  If the weight
is not reasonably evenly distributed, your turning control will be severly
limited.  If you are too light for the ski, the ends of the ski will have more
weight, making it much harder to turn.  If you are too heavy for the ski, the
ends of the ski will have insufficient weight, thus making the ski too easy to
turn, and allowing little stering control.

The last category.  Shorter skis will sink into the snow further, thus
creating more friction.  Longer skis plane better, and thus are able to go
faster.  Also a longer ski has more edge with which to control the edging.

I have listed these points in order of their importance in your choice of ski
length.  The crudest measure is simply that if you skis do not shake
(are unstable) at your higher speeds, then your skis are NOT too short.

The mistake the public makes is that because a very good skier uses longer
skis (and lets face it most people would prefer to be thought of as a good
skier) then if I use longer skis it must be a sign that I am a good skier.
WRONG!!!  It will inhibit your progress dramatically if your skis are too
long.  It's better to err on the side of too short.

David Mills
CITRI
From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Blue Knob Ski Conditions -- WOW!
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:30:00 GMT
Organization: NIST

A buddy and I skied Blue Knob (PA) yesterday. The dump on Friday-Saturday
put about 42" on the slope.  Since Blue Knob is one of those odd areas
with the lodge at the top, they were unable to open much for skiing until
Sunday.  The access road was barely passable on Sunday morning but our 4WD
had no problem. By late morning most front wheel drives were making the
top with no problems.

WOW! I have never seen such snow so early in the mid-Atlantic! BK had opened
with 1-2 beginner trails on Dec 5th--a 15" base. The storm opened the area
completely including Route 66 and Shortway which are narrow runs through
the trees.  The snow was heavy powder--reminded me of the last time I was
at Squaw.  Bottomless.  Took forever to stand up when I was unlucky enough to
fall on a relatively flat area.  Even more surprising, I never heard the
sound of ice/hardpack all day!  There were only modest lift lines with
waits from 0-5 minutes.

It was a great day--my 1st this season.  Unfortunately, the weather forcast
looks moderately warm this weekend so this wonderful stuff will probably
degenerate into hardpack by next weekend.  Hope to see much more of this
around here this year.

Jeff Hudgens
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 00:56:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Where to go in Steamboat?? Eat cheap?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
> > Anyone know where to eat cheap (or relatively cheap) in Steamboat?
> > Does the town of Steamboat Springs have any good places to go eat,
> > or drink, have fun, etc....  
> 
> John Byrnes (j_byrnes@fc.hp.com) has been skiing at the Boat for a long
> time, and has a wealth of info.  Send him some mail!
>  

I'd tell you, but then you'd want to know what the snow conditions are
going to be in February, how long it'll take to drive there from Reno, 
what runs you should be sure not to miss, what kind of skis you should
use, what kind of foam to stuff in you crotch (er, boots), whether 
there's man-made snow on top of the natural stuff even though it's all
water anyway.

Figure it out for yourself.  It's much more fun.

John

P.S. to Paul -> 847!  I hope the back bowels (sic) suck tomorrow!

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: karl@bach.udel.edu (Karl Sohlberg)
Subject: Re: 20" of the light dry soft stuff!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:24:18 GMT

Bob is right. It was an outrageous powder weekend. I was at the
'Bird on Saturday, about 10th up the lift. On the wide open
slopes the powder was just over the knees. In the trees and in wind
sheltered pockets it was considerably deeper. Bt sticking to
the trees and chutes we got fresh tracks on almost every run.

Face shots on every turn. Great skiing.

Little Cloud would have been superb but they took forever
opening it up and we never got up there. No matter, there was
plenty to go around on Mid Gad and Gad 2.

Ski to live. Live to ski.

Karl Sohlberg
(karl@laser.byu.edu)
From: roberto@tut.fi (Castagno Roberto)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: FIS World Cup results?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 14:13:45 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Tampere, Dep. of Computer Science ,Finland 
Distribution: world
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Hi everyboby!

Could anybody be so kind to post to thid group the
results of the FIS Ski World Cup results?
I think that many subscribers would be happy to be kept 
up to date (I certainly would!)

Thanks for your attention and enjoy your X-mas holidays:
lots of snow to everybody!

CIAO

Roberto

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From: fins@radgumbo.Eng.Sun.COM (Rich Schiavi)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Hunter Mtn and Penn skiing???
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:12:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: fins@radgumbo.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: radgumbo.eng.sun.com

I will be doing some East Coast traveling over the holiday's and wouldn't
mind trying to squeeze in some skiing/snowboarding.  I'll be anywhere
from Philadelphia to New York City for a couple days.  A friend suggested
Hunter Mtn in New York.  I was looking for suggestions as well as any
info on other ski areas in Pennsylvania or New York ??

Thanks,

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From: eik@acadia.kodak.com (Scott Eikenberry)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Lake Tahoe Accommodations?
Keywords: Tahoe
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:00:37 GMT
Reply-To: eik@acadia.kodak.com (Scott Eikenberry)
Organization: Eastman Kodak



Hey fellow skiiers,

I was wondering if anyone had some suggestions as to where to stay while skiing
in the Lake Tahoe area.  I will probally be there right after New Years
(nice slow time huh?) and want to stay three or four nights.  I'll probally
be skiing Sugar Bowl, Squaw Valley and maybe Heavenly so suggestions for
both north and south are welcome.  I might try staying different places 
different nights depending on where I'll be skiing the following day.(If some
one could enlighten me as to what the drive times between some of the places
are that might help with this decision.) I`m looking for reasonably priced 
placess but a hot tub or a kichenette would probally be worth some extra. There
will probally be four to six of us staying together.
Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks for your help,
Scott Eikenberry
email:eik@acadia.kodak.com

p.s. If anyone has any suggestions on night life that shouldn't be missed that
would be helpful too.
From: mmendel@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mark Mendel)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Long skis vs. Short Skis
 that short skis are easier to turn because of thier lower
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:24:20 GMT


 	 Ski turns come in two flavors, carved and 
windshield-wipered (most turns are some combination
 of the two).  In a windshield-wipered turn, the ski skides 
laterally as it turns, following trajectory not unlike the 
automobile part named after this turn. 

 	Carved turns are harder to understand, but it is 
worth the effort.  Following the description in  How the 
Racers Ski (by Whitterell, if Im not mistaken) if you put 
a ski on a flat surface and tilt it onto one of its edges, 
because of its sidecut (i.e. the ski is wider in the tip and 
tail) the edge will only touch down only at the tip and
 the tail.  Now bend the ski backwards into reverse 
camber (by wieghting the ski) and keep bending 
until the whole edge makes contact with the flat 
surface.   Guess what?   The line of contact of the 
edge with the surface is actually an arc.  Turn the 
flat surface into snow, and start moving the ski forward 
and will follow that arc, making a wonderful turn with 
no lateral motion (i.e. no sliding sideways).  Turn the 
snow into ice and it still works just fine.  You cannot do 
that with a windshield wiper.

	So, the difference between short skis and long
skis is: Long skis carve, and short skis windshield-wiper.
From: ellen@opua.Berkeley.EDU (Ellen M. Sentovich)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: N.Tahoe Conditions, etc. ?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:43:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ellen@opua.Berkeley.EDU (Ellen M. Sentovich)
NNTP-Posting-Host: opua.berkeley.edu

In article <10930@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>, kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger) writes:
|> 
|> So just cut over from KT-22 or Red Dog and you're there.
|> 

When was the last time they ran Red Dog?  Isn't it extinct?

		- Ellen

-- 
		  Ellen M. Sentovich
		  Dept of EECS
		  UC Berkeley
		  ellen@ic.Berkeley.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Measure Speed? (was Re: Learn on short or long skis?)
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:09:50 GMT

In article <sf=yiAy00WB2MHaZcQ@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

|> How do you find out how long
|> the runs are? Probably somebody at the resort knows this type of stuff?
|> Maybe some trail maps may have this info on them?

In my experience the run measurements are about as accurate as snow depth,
the error always being an overestimation.  I think you will have to measure
the distance yourself.

David
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Subject: Yellowstone N.P. 
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:23:24 GMT

What can you tell me about Yellowstone, late winter/early spring?
Getting there?
Lodging?
XC rentals?
First-hand Experience?


aTdHvAaNnKcSe
Tracy
From: davis@lugg.utah.edu (Darrell R. Davis)
Subject: Re: Ski Alta!
Organization: College of Science, University of Utah
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:49:12


on Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:11:41 GMT,
mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg) said:
>> In contrast to year's past, there has been no gloating from the Utah
>> contingent of this newsgroup. What's the matter? Did the storms that have
>> dumped 8-10' at Kirkwood leave Alta high and dry? 


I drove to Alta on Saturday, but the resort was closed due to lack of
snow.  I did hear that the Sierras got dumped on.


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Medicinal Chemistry      * * *       thrill of speed overcomes
University of Utah    *A**L**T**A*   the fear of death."
                         * * *
Member, atg's          *   *   *       --H.S. Thompson 
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bbarkey@lark.utah.edu (Brian Barkey)
Subject: Re: Powder
Keywords: How to ski
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:37:55 GMT

In article <BzDoJG.J61@ncube.com> zod@ncube.com writes:
>I posted this article earlier. But I did not get any response yet.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>How does one ski the fresh powder, or the used powder?
>My skies tend to go different directions in those powders!
>At some points I even get them crossed, and result in a fall.
>Should one not parallel in those conditions?
>
>
>---
OK, here's some dubious advice.

1) relax, if you worry about crossing them skiis, they'll cross.
2) forget that BS about sitting on your tails. Stay centerd on your skiis.
3) practice alot, when I first started, it helped to
   concentrate on 'slicing' the tails through the powder.
   Don't try to keep the skiis close together, evenly
   weight the two skiis. If you fall, try to use your 
   momentum to pop back up, i.e. roll through the fall
   It's tough getting back up in powder.
4) Be one with the mountain, feel the hill, be the hill,
   consult your inner skier.....  :)

	Brian ' pinhead guru ' Barkey
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Distribution: world
From: James_Tilley@tcs.las-vegas.nv.us
Organization: Cyber Sanctum
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:12:46 PST
Subject: Re: Cable binding modification for dual tension

>I'm thinking of purchasing a cable binding for a set of Tua Escapes with
>Asolo Snowpine boots.  My only reservation is the difficulty of changing
>the cable tension to optimize for kick and glide and tele.  I borrowed
>a friends front through Chounaird and I like the cables very loose while
>touring and moderately snug while going downhill.  The knurled nut that
>comes on the binding is useless outside - it freezes up and is impossible
>to grab with my mittens.  I am experimenting with modifying my friend's
>bindings by taping a hook in front of the buckle and using a string to
>hold the buckle partially open for touring and simply pressing the
>buckle all the way down for turning.  Does anyone have any other ideas?
>How could the Riva cable be modified?  By the way the trick of putting
>the spring on the back of the boot above its normal position only
>slightly affects the tension of the cable.  Will Black Diamond ever 
>offer a two position buckle in the future?

You might want to check out a binding that Viola makes.  It has both the pins
and the cables.  It is supposed to be nice since you can undo the cable for
hiking around and then tighten it back up when you are ready to ski back down.



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