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From: hip@a.cs.okstate.edu (HUFFMAN BRADLEY SP)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Shipping a Brick! (was: More Mail Order Complaints)
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:03:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oklahoma State University

From article <BrxEJB.37o@mail.boi.hp.com>, by alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten):
> They give a 6 cent credit for bags (paper or plastic) that you bring back
> and use to bag your groceries.
> 
> It seems like a promotion at that price, and I imagine most people still
> can't be bothered, but I think it's great.  (This isn't a funky little
> hole in the wall, either, it's a large, employee-owned business.)

Sure it's a promotion, it's a way to try and play on your envirmental feelings
and get you to come to their story.

But if you walk up to the counter with 3 lbs of bananas and they said "Well,
we had to get those from South America so we have to charge you 50 cents
S&H, what would you think? 

Brad
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: Forward Loops (was: shopping in Or)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:55:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.142153.9751@mlb.semi.harris.com> pjp@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Pat J. Pinchera) writes:
>In article <4576@verdix.verdix.com> cp@verdix.com (Chris Perret) writes:
> [stuff deleted]
>>this year, but it's cuz the Wind God is mad at me. Tried my first forward
>>sunday, didn't make it, tho I held on over the handlebars; it was a rush.
>>
>>
>>Chris Perret
>
>I want to hear more about this forward loop attempt.  I've read the
>articles (not sure I'm crazy enough to try one) but these are written by
>guys who do it all the time. I wan to hear from regular week-end
>warriors who went for it.  What (in your opinion) level should one be at
>before they make an attempt? Long jumps, really high jumps, table tops?
>What are the things you *DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT* do when trying to loop?
>
>Pat
> 'P19' (making sure my hospitalization insurance is up to date!)

When I was in cabarete recently I saw a guy, fellow Dominican I may add,
that was doing forwards on relatively small chop. The chop was small but
with steep faces. He would jump the board and rotated what seem to be 300 
rpm's during the loop.

The moral is you don't need too much height to go for it (just spin fast).
I must add however, that in some attempts he did not get to high so he
wound up doing barrel rolls instead. The other thing is he was cranking
when he hit the chop which allowed him to catapult pretty high.

After gaining some confident cranking lots of air off the reef waves I
tried to convince myself to go for it. The problem was the speed in which I 
hit the waves and got airborne was enough for me to think otherwise. I
suspect what I (we) need to do is get the air but lose the speed. At least
during the first few attempts. I can't imagine myself attempting a loop
while going at mach speeds. Scary just thinking about it. :-)

I would like to hear from those who have done them to let us know what the
steps are to initiating the loop. I did read the WS article by Cort Larned
but it still left me fuzzy regarding technique. Do you throw your body forward
while sheeting in? Or do you just tuck and sheet in?



-- 
Felix Cabral         {felixc@mtgzfs3.att.com}      "Give me nukin winds,
AT&T Bell Labs       {  att!mtgzfs3!felixc  }       a rad board, rad waves,
Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
From: colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Speed vs Slalom foils?
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:43:15 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

I may be wrong, but I thought that speed sails didn't exist anymore (there is
none in the north line for example).

besides I cannot see how a sail could be faster than modern (you tried a 90
gaastra, this is not a modern design) slalom sails.

go test ride a neil pryde V8 steet racer... I doubt that any production sail
will propell you faster than this "slalom" sail...

-- 
Colas Nahaboo, colas@sa.inria.fr, Bull Research Koala proj. Wool&Gwm Architect
Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: rrosen@novell.com (Ross Rosen)
Subject: For Sale (Bay Area) Fanatic 320 complete.
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:34:01 GMT

Posted for a friend.  Do not reply to me.  Call Tim Davids @ 415-591-9633
==========================================================================

For Sale:  

Complete Fanatic 320 package. (10' 6")
(6.2 sail, boom, board, 2 piece mast)

Great Transition board.  Good shape.

$650.  Shipping out of Bay Area at your cost.  
Please reply to Tim Davids at 415-591-9633.
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: New Board Advice.....phase two.
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:00:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: helios.price.711993624
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral) writes:

>On the other hand they will continue to make boards like the adagio, rock and
>alto to satisfy the NOT so race oriented sailors. That is why they have two
>or three boards with the same length and liter specs. Different handling
>boards for different conditions. Either way I'm sure both of us will be
>happy with the lineup which is BIC's marketing strategy.

Which leads me to ask: what is the Astro Rock designed for? I have one, and I
can see little difference between it and the Presto. The Presto looks like it
might be a little easier to maintain a plane in a gybe since it has a thicker
tail. 

chad

--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
From: erno@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Erno H. Klaassen)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Mast Foot Problems
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:54:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley


 
When I was surfing this weekend at Coyote,  I had some trouble with 
the mast foot on my Bic Astro Rock.  The little tab that keeps the peg
of the mast base in the mast foot keeps coming up, so that my whole
mast separated from the board several times.  Is anybody else having
this problem, either with the Bic mast foot, or with other brands.  Is
there an easy solution, or should I buy a new mast foot?
I was considering putting a piece of masking tape over it to prevent
it from coming up, but I don't think it would last more than about 10
minutes in the water.
 Thanks
 
Erno
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Palm Beach, Florida - locations,e
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:44:49 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <1992Jul16.121109.18029@mlb.semi.harris.com> pjp@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Pat J. Pinchera) writes:
>In article <connolly.711259561@vincent1.iastate.edu> connolly@iastate.edu (Patrick H Connolly) writes:
>>I'll be travelling to the Palm Beach area in a  couple of weeks and I
>>was wondering if anyone could offer any advice on several subjects.
> [stuff deleted]
>

I was in West Palm Beach last October for an IBM conference on OS/2 (what a 
joke) and took a look at the beaches around Juno. Windsurfing conditions
looked great with good wind, nice waves, and warm water. I'd say it was way
too much for a big board, but that was in their winter.

The locals told me that the season goes from October through Feb and therefore
I would not expect much at this time of year.

Jim Munro
From: jmp@al.UUCP (Jim Paugh)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Boom Recommendations?
Summary: Check out the Fleetwood Composit
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:51:55 GMT
Organization: ICL, Advanced Development Group, Irvine, CA.

In article <1992Jul22.232359.23252@nntp.uoregon.edu>, du@oregon.uoregon.edu (Dave Ulrich) writes:
> 
>  Looking to replace my Windsurfing Hawaii Gorilla with a lighter,
>  smaller grip boom that will handle a wide range of sails, say 4.0
>  to 7.0.  Am leaning toward a Chinook, but would like to hear some
>  feedback from those who have recently purchased a boom.

Over the weekend my GT aluminum boom saw one too many hooked in slams, and
not enough fresh water, and finally broke!  Being from So.Ca and faced with
a weekend of 4.5 conditions and no boom, I hustled off to WindCraft to check
out there boom selection.  I already have a Fiberspar Carbon for my 7.5 and 
6.3 sails, I needed a boom for 5.7 down to 4.4, which is also takes the most
abuse!  The recommendation (taking into account my 6'8", 225lb size) was a 
Fleetwood Composit boom!  I was sceptical at first, but two of the sales guys
in the shop agreed that it is a bomb proof boom, and will not fatigue, corode,
and weeken like aluminum.  The composit is epoxy/fiberglass(no carbon).  
Fleetwood also has the same boom in carbon, but it is aimed at the slalom racer
and is nearly $400.00!  Everyone agreed that the Composit would be more 
durable.  It also has an oval grip, that I found to be very nice!  The main
body is epoxy, with an aluminum backend and extensions, Powa front end.  
The boom was on sale for $189, and I bought an extra set of 24" extensions 
for $40.  This boom will cover a 3.5 upto a 6.0 sail (with the 24" extensions).

Once I had the boom, I noticed quite a few of them at Rio Vista.  It's very
solid, I'm happy with so far.  I'll let you know in a couple of years about
the durability ;^)

Jim Paugh
ICL, INC.
Advanced Development Group
Irvine, CA  92713-9593
(714) 458-7282 x4556
jmp@al.irv.icl.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: clos@trentu.ca (CHRIS LOS)
Subject: Recommendations for Cold Weather Wet/Steamer Suit & Booties ??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Trent University Computer Services Department
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:51:00 GMT




I would like to get a good quality wet/steamer suit and a pair of booties for 
fall and spring sailing.  I want something warm, COMFORTABLE yet durable.
I am wondering what experience others have had with this type of gear and what
they would recommend in brand names and the dollars I might expect to pay.

Any info would be appreciated.


-- Chris 
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:25:21 GMT
Subject: Experience with injuries and recovery time?
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

This topic is of MAJor interest to me:

What are the healing times and time required to regain strength after
various windsurfing injuries that people on the net have experienced?

I have a broken Fibula which will get 2 screws Monday 7/27.  My 
Podietriest says I should be able to start working it hard in
mid September which is 6 to 8 weeks after the surgery.  I also suffered
a hernia (no symptoms i.e. pain) which I'm supposed to recover from
(double surgery Monday) well before I can stand on my leg.

Any ideas for keeping fit while recovering from a broken leg?  Rowing
machines at my health club and upper body Nautalis workouts are what
have been suggested so far.  Right now, getting around on crutches
without supporting my weight on my armpits is a fair workout in itself
(tricepts and right leg get worked).

What about the first day back sailing?  Is it better to sail a long
board like my Malibu or sail a floaty shortboard like my 9'3" ASD?
I think sailing my marginal 8'11" and sinker 8'8" will have to wait
until I'm at close to full strength.  My guess is that the 9'3"
would be easier to sail as it takes less strength to turn in big
chop at Coyote Pt.

Kirk (seeing too many Dr.'s lately) out

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: shweeja02@cc.curtin.edu.au (James Hwee)
Subject: Re: Rigging Gaastras
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:30:55 GMT

Just thought I'd add something that I've learnt about getting the
"right" batten tension.

When you're about to tension your battens, try this.  Rest the mast
against the base of a tree (looking out for dog sh*t and the like).
Push against the butt of the batten and by doing so flexing the batten.
Now take up the slack by tensioning the batten buckle, and you're away!

I do this when rigging either my '92 Gaastra Slalomfoil Pro's or
'92 World Cup Racing and find that I can get all the tension I need
and more.

I've tried using the batten buckles as a lever and then cranking but
I haven't come across a batten buckle that can take it.  So after
snapping a batten buckle I started looking for different ways and 
came across this.

Later,
-James
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   Perth, Western Australia
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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: edwilson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson)
Subject: Re: Broken Downhauls
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:56:58 GMT

I'm the one who started this thread after breaking a few downhauls, and 
one mast extension.  I use the method of moderate downhaul, flattening 
outhaul, then finishing downhaul, and am able to get sufficient downhaul 
(actually, it's not even very difficult when I'm using the pulley hook 
through the sail grommet).  

The problem I have (hopefully, had) is (was) just breaking stuff.  Last 
Friday, after I posted, I went sailing up at Coyote.  I used my pulley 
hook, flattened the sail, got sufficient downhaul, and cleated the 
downhaul line.  Then I head over to the outhaul to release it (to set it 
~1 inch negative), and I hear this loud pop, look over, and see that the 
pulley in the mast extension has exploded, just like the first one did.  
It was a Mistral extension, with a plastic pulley housing, the plastic 
broke, and the pulley simply pulled free.

It appeared to me to be that the extension was just not designed to take 
that much downhaul.  If you notice how extension designs have changed in 
recent years, many of them (WSH, Fleetwood, Chinook, at least) now have 
reinforcing rings of aluminum around the bottom, required by the increased 
loading.

I replaced the extension with a Chinook, which looks very strong, and also 
has a cleating system where you pull straight down and then cleat it 
sideways.  One problem I had had with the Mistral was that you had to
pull slightly sideways when downhauling - this seemed to cause more 
abrasion on the downhaul line, perhaps causing it to fail earlier.  By
the way, the Fiberspar extensions appear to have the same pulley housing
as the Mistral, so watch out.

I hope these changes will make my system work better now, and suggest to
anyone with mega-downhaul sails to keep this in mind in choosing a new
mast extension.

Ed
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: Harald.Brandt@eua.ericsson.se (Harald Brandt)
Subject: Speed vs Slalom foils?
Organization: Ellemtel Utvecklings AB, Sweden
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:29:27 GMT

   I am somewhat puzzled by the various lines of sails that are made.  It 
is generally claimed that the modern slalom sails with loose leech are 
good at spilling wind in gusts, and therefore (according to my 
interpretation) capable of being good in a fairly large wind range. 
Handling is also claimed to be easier due to this.  Slalom sails can thus be 
said to ''take all wind you can hold''. Likewise, Race sails have the same 
claims but are usually bigger, and for Gaastra, size seems to be the only 
difference between Slalom and Race, or are there any other differences? 

   Speed sails, on the other hand, are claimed to be extremely stable in 
foil shape. Leech is not so loose and they don't seeem to twist as much as a slalom sail. Also, the booms are usually shorter than on Slalom.  According 
to ART, their speed sails are not as easy to handle as their slalom sails. 
 Speed sails can thus be said to ''take all wind there is''.

   However, I have just borrowed for several hours a Gaastra '90 speed 
foil 5.7m2 (4 cambers, 8 battens no monofilm) and used it for both 
underpowered and severely overpowered conditions (from 4 to about 15 m/s 
in the gusts). I have never before felt a sail that was so totally free of 
foil deformation and absence of overpower feelings, except in the very 
worst gusts where it started to push me down in that typical overpowered 
way, whereas a normal sail would just slam me down ruthlessly.  What 
limited control was the board rather than the sail.

   Now the questions: Why are slalom sails claimed to be better in gust 
handling?  Why are slalom sails claimed to be better in manouver handling? 
To me, the speed foil seemed to be superior in its absence of overpower 
feeling, and the short boom (1.75 m) seems to make it rather OK for 
handling - the part the sail that is under the boom seems to be fairly the 
same for speed and slalom sails, as opposed to wave sails that are cut 
very high.

   My suspicion is that perhaps, the speed foil, at least Gaastra '90, 
simply is a better more accurately designed and manufactured sail. I plan 
to buy one. What is your opinion?  Perhaps Slalom designs are more 'trendy' and vogue sensitive. Perhaps loose leech is out of vogue tomorrow and slalom sails of tomorrow start look like yesterdays speed sails?

   To complicate things even more: Gaastra have a speed/slalom sail? I 
simply do not understand that combination, and what their catalog say 
about it is to me  totally unintelligable/contradictory. Especiallly the 
'91 design of it looks very strange in the catalog - it doesn't even have 
internal cambers and is still claimed to be speed/slalom??

   Best Regards/ Harald

Phone: +46 8 727 39 55  Fax: +46 8 749 05 94
Ellemtel Utvecklings AB
Box 1505
S-125 25 Alvsjo
Sweden
Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:52:25 -0400 
From: Benjamin Holz <bh1s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
	<1682B10C89.EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>

Personally, I kinda love that sensation.....  it feels incredibly
relaxing and when  your hitting on the babes back on shore over some
beers you feel like king of the world....... the symptoms you guys
describe to me is more along the lines of sunstroke which I have
experienced on those horrible looks-like-wind-but-isn't days....... 

Ben Holz (bh1s+@andrew.cmu.edu)

Just my two cents. Don't flame me please. I've died in many a flame war.
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: How to use a Trailer to carry boards?
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:39:32 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:

>westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:

>>In article <BrnLJ7.6CF@mail.boi.hp.com> alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten) writes:
>>>jmp@al.UUCP (Jim Paugh) writes:

>>>: 	2) I want to be able to cruse the hwy at 70 mph while pulling the
>>>: 	   trailor, so stability is a must.  I've seen small utility trailors
>>>: 	   at home building supplies for ~$200, with sprung susspensions and 
>>>: 	   12" or 13" diameter wheels, would this handle 70 mph??

>>In two words: hell no!  I got a flat recently and had to put on one of
>>those little toy tires they give you for emergencies.  After just 10
>>miles at 50 mph those tires were practically smoking they were so hot.
>>Little tires get lots of revolutions, lots of friction, and get very,
>>very hot, even at low speeds.  I don't think that they would last long
>>at 70 mph.

>I beg to differ - see my other post. I regularly pull my trailer at 70-75 on
>the interstate for 5 hours on the way from Lincoln NE to Lake McConnaghy and
>have had no problems. After 2 seasons the tires are showing very little wear.

I may have mis-read the original note.  I thought he was referring to
those little toy pull-carts with the tiny wheels that you sometimes see
advertised in windsurfing magazines.  If you have a utility cart with
full-size tires that is a different story.  If have 12"-13" diameter
tires, then I'm simply amazed.

Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: greg@plx.com (Greg Payne)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Heel Dings
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:10:07 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: PLEXUS Software, a division of REI

I recently bought a used epoxy board that is in good 
shape except for soft spots in the board where
my heels ride. I am not sure how concerned I should
be about this. Is this a common occurance after a 
few years of jumping? Is this something that once
they occur they get worse quickly and eventually crack
the surface allowing water into the board? I guess someday
I will learn my lesson about being cheap and just spend the
bucks for some new equipment. I guess I am mainly wondering
if this board will get me through the season. Any advice or
shared experience would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
-Greg
From: beaudoin@Software.Mitel.COM (Richard Beaudoin)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Windsurfing Hangover
Keywords: Hangover
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:54:53 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


>but once I am out and the wind is up it is difficult to find the time to 
>return to shore and drink them! Does anybody have any solutions to this 
>problem other than increased self-discipline?
 
Would be nice to have someone waiting in chest high water with a cup of
water (or whatever) and hand you the drink as you jibe by (one handed jibe).
Like in a marathon.


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ferster@nwu.edu (David Ferster)
Subject: Re: Just Say No to Flat Landings
Followup-To: rec.windsurfing
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:44:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.213732.15629@am.dsir.govt.nz>, srgxnbs@grv (Bruce
Spedding) wrote:

>  I had an accident a couple of years back, I was out sailing in chop and hit
> a small face, too small to bother un-hooking :) . Just as I left the water a
> gust hit and I was a lot higher, hooked in and unbalanced. I concentrated on
> keeping the board level, landed flat and straight legged, knew I'd done
> something to my leg so turned & sailed back to shore, dragged my gear up to
> the car and went home.. could barely walk by then. Ended up on crutches for 
> two months with a hyperextended knee.
 
Here's another jumping accident scenario. I had jumped a small wave on Lake
Michigan, lost my balance and decided to bail out at about 8 ft. I kicked
the board away and let go, but just as I did so, my harness accidentally
hooked. So the rig, the board and I all fell to the water together. Since I
was already out of the footstraps, I fell onto the board on my tailbone
instead of my feet. The pain was so severe I almost passed out, and I was
so stiff afterward I had to cancel an upcoming trip to Maui. 

David Ferster
Northwestern University
ferster@nwu.edu