From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Elle MacPherson causes rape?
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Nov4.134127.11971@cs.nott.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:34:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.134127.11971@cs.nott.ac.uk> rji@tuck.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:

   In article <lfc6m5INNcv4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums) writes:
   |> 	She went on to say that she really disliked supermodels and what
   |> they do since all guys expect the women in their lives to look like
   |> the super models.  I don't feel this is the case with me or most guys
   |> I know, but hey, she knows it to be true because she is insecure about
   |> her looks and it has to be all these media pictures' fault and therefore
   |> the women who are in them and the men who buy them.  I am then held
   |> responsible for her insecurity and her behaviour.
   |> 

   It may be true that you don't expect the women in your life to look like
   supermodels but doesn't the fact that you have that calender suggest that
   at least some part of you would really like it to be that way? It is not 
   you personally that is responsible for the feeling of insecurity so many
   women have about their bodies (I say women because the overwhelming majority
   of eating disorders occur in women), but the overwhelming media concentration
   on such models and their often dangerously slim figures is a very major
   contributing factor.
   You only have to look at the fact that in high street stores it is difficult
   to find fashionable womens clothes in the *average* size, never mind larger
   than that to see the pressure put on women to slim to the size of these
   models.
   I think it is a mistake to dismiss so flippantly the large problems in
   society that this woman was attempting to highlight.

			   Rob Ingram
			   University of Nottingham

I disagree.  Whether the possession of calendar featuring a supermodel (or
anything else) suggests that someone would like all females to be like that is
not the point.  If any woman blames others for her insecurities, then it is
totally HER problem.  I have met women like this who like to impose their
values upon me and I resent it (as I suspect many men do.)  There are males
(some of whom are models and some not) who have much better physiques than I
do, yet I do not blame them for any perceived lack of attractiveness on my part
to women.  If I want to make myself attractive, then the onus is totally on me,
not on others.  Sometimes, it's the attitudes of otherwise very pretty and
inteligent women which makes men stay away from them.  I know because I've met
one exactly like that.



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