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From: gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer)
Subject: Re: Lethal cookware?
Organization: Scum Of the Earth and Senile Tenured
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:25:16 GMT

In article <92766@rphroy.ph.gmr.com>, jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90) writes:
|> Does anybody know anything about this business of fumes
|> from non-stick cookware KILLING the birds!!??
|> 
|> I live in an apartment (not real large) and have "T-Fal"
|> cookware, which appears to have some kind of teflon-like
|> coating. Should I get rid of this stuff? 

Teflon and T-fal are the same stuff - polytetrafluorethylene (PTFE) -
from different manufacturers, I think.  Apparently it degases slightly
when heated and that could potentially be dangerous to birds if the
concentration of gas is high enough.  I haven't heard of any bird
actually dying, but you don't want to keep your parakeet near the
stove.  Larger birds shouldn't be affected.  Rather than throw the
stuff out you should probably think of yourself first.  Aluminum is
implicated in Alzheimers and iron in heart attacks and stroke, so it
may be that non-stick cookware is actually the healthiest for humans.
-- 
Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)
School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: boarding versus travel?
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:04:38 GMT

hanson@ucs.indiana.edu (Fred D. Hanson) writes:

>I will almost certainly visit one or more relatives over the upcoming
>Holidays and I'm undecided as to whether to board my two moustache parakeets 
>and cockatoo or just board the two moustache and take the cockatoo with me.
>I have boarded the moustache before and since they have each other I think
>this is best.  However, I can not decide if the cockatoo would be better off
>boarded (at an avian vets) or taken along.  On the one hand, I think she
>would benefit from the contact with additional people and probably enjoy the
>holiday festivities.  But on the other hand the travel might be stressful.
>We are talking 3 hrs each way for one trip and 7 hours each way for the 
>second.  Although she may find being left at the vets with all strangers
>and a different routine is also stressful.  Plus be very mad at me later:-)
>I'd appreciate your pros, cons, and comments on boarding versus travel.

>Thanks,
>Fred                    hanson@ucs.indiana.edu

You could try just taking your cockatoo for a ride around town to see
how well it takes to riding in the car. A few short drives might be
good "practice" before the real thing.


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From: dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Test [please ignore]
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:37:26 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

This is a test.
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Birdie Beak Bonking
Keywords: bonk bonk bonk <hey cut that out!> bonk bonk bonk
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:20:34 GMT
Organization: AT&T

folks,

as i was sitting here at my computer desk (with chains around the
<ESC> key, btw), my yellowCollared macaw Angus decided to enact
the old "let's see how impervious the world is to my beak" trick.
he started bonking his beak against the food dish, the computer
screen, the desk sides, etc., all along looking at me and chanting
his war cry <hello!><hello!>.

for a moment i thought he was yearning to return to his woodpecker
heritage (well, it sounds plausible), but he hasn't really done
this very often at all.  anyone else's birdie enjoy pretending the world
is a nail and the beak a hammer?  :-)

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From: mtt@hila.hut.fi (Merja Tornikoski)
Subject: Re: Birdie Beak Bonking
Keywords: bonk bonk bonk <hey cut that out!> bonk bonk bonk
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:00:41 GMT

bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
>he started bonking his beak against the food dish, the computer
>screen, the desk sides, etc., all along looking at me and chanting
> ...
>this very often at all.  anyone else's birdie enjoy pretending the world
>is a nail and the beak a hammer?  :-)

Yes, my cockatiel does this too. He bonks his beak against the cage,
the food dish, the perch, the <SPACE> key... :-)
I've always thought it's his way of saying "this is mine"...


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: Lethal cookware - Round II
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:06:22 GMT

jberry@brutus.ct.gmr.com (John Berry CT/90) writes:

>Well, okay, this opens up a whole new issue...

>See here an excerpt from Gerard Fryer's response to my earlier 
>message -

>> Rather than throw the stuff out you should probably think of yourself
>> first.  Aluminum is implicated in Alzheimers and iron in heart attacks
>> and stroke, so it may be that non-stick cookware is actually the 
>> healthiest for humans.

>Does anyone know to what extent "modern" metal pots leach (is that the right
>word?) material? I am not a material scientist (or a scientist of any sort),
>but its my understanding that aluminum and iron amoung the most common 
>metallic elements in the earth's crust.  Are pots considered to be likely
>sources for metallic toxins in humans? I've read that lead poisoning from 
>pots is implicated in the decline of the Roman empire, but aren't modern
>manufacturing techniques beyond that sort of thing?        

From what I have heard the amount of aluminum you get from cooking
in aluminum pans is very minor compared to the amount we get from other
sources. So it really doesn't make much difference.

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From: ubhjp@helios.rz.tu-clausthal.de (H.-J. Pfeffer)
Subject: Re: Parrots and oral medicine
Organization: Techn. Univ. Clausthal
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:52:20 GMT

Gerard Fryer (gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu) wrote:
: ...

: So here's my recommendation: get your parrot used to eating some
: amorphous mush that you hide medicine in.  Then when you have a sick
: bird, administering to it is easy.  Make sure that you flavor the stuff
: in a variety of different ways so that the bird doesn't get used to a
: single taste.  If ever your bird gets sick, you'll be glad you did
: this.
: -- 
: Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)
: School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology
: University of Hawaii at Manoa


The advantage is clear : no grabbing, no catching, no panic and exact dosis.
Our birds are used to take the medicine with baby-food (apple and pears,
mushed without sugar for babies 6 weeks or older) from a teaspoon. They 
like it very much and sometimes they get it (the mush not the medicine :-)
as a reward and always from a spoon to keep training.
We have Amazona-aestiva-aestiva and Psittacus-erithacus-timneh since more
than ten years. 

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From: tvalta@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Pionus Maximalian
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:44:08 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki


Hello,

  I have a six month old Pionus Maximalian parrot. It is handfed and very tamed. 
Pionus is rare here in Finland, so I would be glad to hear any information
about that green bird.



Tuire Valta, Helsinki University, Finland
From: twollnik@fozzy.UUCP (Ted Wollnik)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: MACAWS:  Mating Them
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:28:47 GMT
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Richardson Texas, USA

A friend of mine, and myself are going to be the proud owners of
two greenwing macaws.  We are going to push the breeder to give
us birds of the opposite sex.

I am told that macaws mate for life.  Is this true?? Next, question ...
do any of you net people know of a good book about mating macaws?
Is it easy to do, hard to do...what all is involved.

Thanks in advance for your comments. 

p.s. by the way, what types of toys do macaws like to play with?

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yeah I know!! but at least it HOCKEY !!!!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: hanson@ucs.indiana.edu (Fred D. Hanson)
Subject: Re: Parrots and oral medicine
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:28:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.234010.2432@news.Hawaii.Edu> gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer) writes:
>From: gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer)
>Subject: Parrots and oral medicine
>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:40:10 GMT
>

[parts deleted]

>After a few messy attempts which didn't get much of the medicine into
>Lafitte, I finally convinced her to eat medicine-laced oatmeal.  Mainly
>because I can't stand most breakfast cereals I have taken to making
>breakfast for myself by zapping old-fashioned rolled oats and water in
>the microwave to make a  porridgey mush which isn't too bad if you add
>something to give it flavor.  Lafitte always begs for some, and
>especially seems to like it if it's still warm.  Using that as a medium
>to deliver the medicine was easy.  She recovered completely in a few
>days.
>
>So here's my recommendation: get your parrot used to eating some
>amorphous mush that you hide medicine in.  Then when you have a sick
>bird, administering to it is easy.  Make sure that you flavor the stuff
>in a variety of different ways so that the bird doesn't get used to a
>single taste.  If ever your bird gets sick, you'll be glad you did
>this.
>-- 
>Gerard Fryer  (g.fryer@soest.hawaii.edu)
>School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology
>University of Hawaii at Manoa

Great idea for liquid medicine and maybe powdered pills.  If you do really
have to restrain your bird to give it medicine which is usually done by
wrapping it in a towel (at least for the larger birds) then my vet
recommends wearing a mask and not talking so that the bird does not know it
is you.  Thus you don't run the risk of hurting your relationship with the
bird.

Fred      hanson@ucs.indiana.edu
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From: bhtongue@highlander.berkeley.edu (Benson H Tongue)
Subject: potty trained! (stage one)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:44:50 GMT

Hey folks: Just an update on Kiree, our new Goffin. We've had here
for a bit under a month now and she's almost 6 months old. Stage
one potty training has been accomplished, i.e. she will go on
command. Stage two (going to a designated area on her own volition)
will take longer since I haven't clearly decided where the potty
area should be. But there's no concern with having her on us anymore.
For those who suggested Goffins could be loud I have this feedback.
When with us, she only makes baby noises (clicks and soft, high 
pitched mewling noises). When alone and wanting to come out with
us she yells every few minutes. Not earshattering but a definite
yell. She also yells when on her bird tree and quite content
(one foot up, etc) but it's more of a quiet yell and only occurs
occasionally. I think it's a ``I'm contented" noise. Except for
the time she yelled while on my shoulder (2 in. from my ear)
there's been no problem. And she's about as sweet as they come. 
Loves to be cuddled. And I think she's like to learn how to swim,
judging by how much she likes getting drenched in the shower. 
That's all for now.
Benson
From: Debby.Steele@bird.com (Debby Steele)
Sender: FredMail@bird.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: CANARIES AND PARAKEETS, ETC.
Date: 09 Nov 92  15:14:47 EST

John don't mix canaries and parakeets. The budgies are very playful and
aggressive. I wouldn't call them mean but they will drive a poor canary crazy
with all the picking at it and the chasing it around. Also the budgies can
break the leg of a canary very easy. Canaries and budgies are
 fine if they are in separate cages but not together even loose in a room. Also
budgies are very noisy. It's not real loud but it's real constant and some
people don't like the noise. I had a lady that just bought 2 budgies yesterday
at our show and she came back the next morning and offered them to me at a very
cheap price because she couldn't stand the noise. She found out she didn't like
them. I breed canaries, budgies, and finches and have them all in the same room
but never caged together. As far as lovebirds (which I have to) if you put them
with canaries you could have a BLOODBATH. 
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From: tburgess@us.oracle.com (Tia Servantes-Burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: traveling with your bird.
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:32:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.9211061632.AA23326
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Original-To: birdnet




Hi,


I think this question was raised before...so forgive me for asking again.

I have a goffin cockatoo that has only traveled a few hours like when she
goes to the vet.  She seems to be pretty happy...I have her in a small cat
carrier and she holds onto the door and looks out and talks to us.

But soon I will be moving and it will be a 2 to 3 day trip....I am not sure
how to do this....her cage is too big to take out and put together when we
make stops....

Should I feed her at night when we stop and settle down...how often should I
try to give her water....

So far she has not shown signs of getting car or motion sickness...

I was thinking about flying to our home in Colorado a month before I move....
where she will have my husband...but she is really fussy and I am afraid that
she will start pulling out her feathers worrying about when I will be there...
She is very sensitive.

When I went thru college finals she destroyed most of her feathers...and it
has taken forever for her to go back to being the beautiful goffin that she
is...

Anyway so I thought it would be best to take her when I go....

Any helpful advice or experience would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,
Tia

tburgess@oracle.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: peed@rtsg.mot.com (Andrew Peed)
Subject: Re: boarding versus travel?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:45:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.213753.27960@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>
>Though my birds travel just fine by car, neither is a cockatoo...

This is my experience as well, but I don't have a cockatoo either.
I usually line the back seat with old sheets and put the travel cage back
there.

Oscar, my Quaker, adores traveling in the car and likes to sit on my shoulder
as I drive. He seems to enjoy watching the scenery and insists upon sharing
whatever I happen to be snacking on. (He has a special mania for
salt-and-vinegar chips, but he's not allowed to eat much of those.)

Felix, my Ringneck, prefers to perch on the top of the cage and watch the
scenery, although he doesn't hesitate to hop into the back window area 
and strut around if he's got an audience. (He once attracted the attention of,
and entertained, a Michigan State Police officer for nearly 50 miles, much
to the detriment of my nerves...)

Once darkness falls, I generally put both back into the cage and cover it
up -- both birds tend to complain loudly when awakened by oncoming
headlights.

				-- Andy


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From: wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand)
Subject: Re: Bird genetics (more Dec. BirdTalk) 
Keywords: genetics
Reply-To: motcid!wiegand@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:36:13 GMT

dsnhv@dsnsun.ericsson.se (Henk Vriens) writes:

>In article 2302 of rec.pets.birds Liz Snella (snella@icbr.ufl.edu) writes:

>>	In the December issue of BirdTalk there is an article about 
>>breeding blue Quakers.  In it they talk about the results of some 
>>crosses and say that the following results are what would be expected.  
>>I don't understand why these are the expected results.
>>
>>	 Blue X Green = 100% Green/Blue
>>
>>	 Blue X Green/Blue = 75% Blue and 25% Green/Blue
>>
>>	 Green/Blue X Green/Blue = 50% Blue, 25% Green/Blue and 25% Green
>>
>>Can someone with more experience in bird genetics explain this to me?

>That's correct.
>Since green dominates blue, all birds from blue x green inherit the
>blue factor from the parent but will NOT show it.
>Because both parents in the other pairs have the blue factor, both pairs
>can produce blue young, but only to a certain percentage.

>Think of the chromosome PAIRS (yep two of each) and draw a little scheme
>for each pair.


>         |       Blue |       Blue
>  -------+------------+------------
>   Green | Green/Blue | Green/Blue
>  -------+------------+------------
>   Green | Green/Blue | Green/Blue 
>      

>         |       Blue |       Blue
>  -------+------------+------------
>   Green | Green/Blue | Green/Blue
>  -------+------------+------------
>   Blue  |       Blue |       Blue


>         | Green      |       Blue
>  -------+------------+------------
>   Green | Green      | Green/Blue
>  -------+------------+------------
>   Blue  | Green/Blue |       Blue


>I've been thinking for a while to write some articles on bird genetics,
>and perhaps this is a good way to start if someone is willing to correct
>spelling errors in names/terms etc.

Your charts don't match the percentages gived above.
I think your charts are right, but I still don't understand where the
percentages above come from.

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From: mtt@hila.hut.fi (Merja Tornikoski)
Subject: Re: Clipping wings
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:17:01 GMT

ammg2052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Aaron M. Moy) writes:
>Indeed, birds who
>have grown accustomed to flight will often suffer anxiety or depression when
>they suddenly lose that ability.  

Hmmm... so why not let them fly??

>Without bringing up a clip vs non-clip argument, I must say that the birds
>are much safer if they are clipped.  It may not be totally natural, but
>it does provide a greater sense of security.

This may be true for the larger birds, but I've always wondered
isn't it much more dangerous to clip a budgie's or cockatiel's
wings and prevent them from flying and instead have them 
*walking* around the house? I'd be afraid of accidentally stepping
on the bird, and I'm sure it's easier for them to get into places little
birdies are not supposed to go if they slowly walk around than
if they would be flying.

I don't wish to start a clip vs. non-clip war either, I'm just
wondering if it's so simple to say which is best for the bird.

My 2 year-old male cockatiel has been fully flighted all his
life, and he seems to enjoy flying and also is a very talented
flier. When he flies though he does it only where there is 
enough space to fly properly, and when he is not flying he just
happily sits on his cage/perch/stand and never gets into trouble
in trying to go to places where he's not supposed to go.
Of course we have to be sure to keep all the doors and windows
closed, but in a small apartment it's not a big problem.

BTW it seems to me that wing clipping is much more common
in the US than in Europe. Is it true and if so, does anybody
know why?

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Subject: Re: Lethal cookware?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:52:30 GMT

gerard@caliban.soest.hawaii.edu (Gerard Fryer) writes:

>Teflon and T-fal are the same stuff - polytetrafluorethylene (PTFE) -
>from different manufacturers, I think.  Apparently it degases slightly
>when heated and that could potentially be dangerous to birds if the
>concentration of gas is high enough.  I haven't heard of any bird
>actually dying, but you don't want to keep your parakeet near the
>stove.  Larger birds shouldn't be affected.  Rather than throw the
>stuff out you should probably think of yourself first.  Aluminum is
>implicated in Alzheimers and iron in heart attacks and stroke, so it
>may be that non-stick cookware is actually the healthiest for humans.

My parents have some ceramic-looking fry pans and pots.  They are
non-stick and completely inert.  I don't think they work as well as
metal pans, especially for stir-frying, but they are a good compromise.

If there's interest, I'll find out the manufacturer and post so send me
email.

-- 
Dan Cogswell               Or as we say in Michigan:  "Dee-troit"