From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Nominations are now open
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 09:01:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.211035.9033@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>Oh and Ted, turnabout is fairplay. You've crossposted my acrticles without 
>permission, so please don't whine about my doing so. 

1.  An article posted to the network becomes public domain.  Note the
    difference between this and private e-mail, which is not allowed to
    be redistributed.

2.  I posted the article in direct response to a post claim you made
    where you said "I never posted an article about hazing to alt.
    tasteless" and then devoted a paragraph calling me, who 
    dared to accuse you of making such a post, of being the most dishonest
    person alive.  Don't blame me when you attack like that and then someone
    re-posts the article you posted to alt.tasteless about hazing.  I
    merely mentioned that such a post existed; you called me a liar; I
    refuted your accusation.  I never cross-posted it to soc.college,
    because three or four more hazing anecdotes from Dalhousie College
    is just a drop in the bucket, and is just anecdotal evidence that
    indicates nothing more than that there is at least one fraternity
    at Dalhousie that hazes. 

>Tell me, which face are you going to use to reply to this one?

I fail to see what relevance any of this has to anything.  I've never
claimed that I don't engage in flamewars in flamewar groups.  But most
people understand that such posts are tongue-in-cheek.  In case
you haven't noticed, Michael, soc.college is not a flamewar group.  There
are people here who are interested in discussing fraternities.  There
are not people here, least of all me, who are interested in discussing
Ted Frank.  If you have something constructive to add to the discussion,
we'd love to hear it, Michael.  But all I've seen this month from you
so far are a dozen or so ad hominem flames.  And the horribleness or
lack thereof of Ted Frank is not at all related or mutually exclusive
with the fact that fraternities have problems.

>The More Politically Correct Than Thou one probably lost most of its 
>credibility. 

I can't but help be amused by these characterizations of political
correctness.  It is of course, an epitomizing feature of the Politically
Correct to have been vice president of the local chapter of the College
Republicans.  Or to write a monthly column for my undergraduate's
right-wing magazine.  Or to turn down Harvard and Yale to go to the
University of Chicago.  Or to be receiving money from the right-wing
Olin Foundation for Law and Economics.  Or to clerk for Frank Easterbrook,
a Reagan-appointed judge.  And as long as I'm name-dropping, I spent
last night playing poker with another Reagan appointee, and Wall Street
Journal columnist, Alex Kozinski.  You'd think one of these groups or
institutions or people would've figured out how PC I am in the last
five years, and have drummed me out or have me shot or something.  Or
vice versa.  I mean, how long could I keep this charade of double agent,
anyway?  

You'll have to do better than McCarthy-ist smear tactics.  In the
meantime, try not to derail the debate, okay?  And learn the difference
between alt.peeves and soc.college.

My apologies in advance to everyone who is sick of these flamewars.  This
will hopefully be the last flame I need to respond to in soc.college.
-- 
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