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From: koch@eis.cs.tu-bs.de (Andreas Koch)
Subject: Re: Third Party Books for Cadence
Organization: TU Braunschweig,Informatik,EIS,West Germany
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:22:41 GMT

I have written a comprehensive introductory documentation on Skill/IL
as part of my graduation thesis. It includes an introduction to
the language for people not proficient in Lisp as well as descriptions of
the functions of IL, Skill and dbAccess. Each function is explained
with an example and lots of figures are used to illustrate the operation
of the graphical (Skill) functions. This book (320 pages) is used here as
an introduction to Skill for interested students.
However, it has at least two weaknesses:
	1) It describes version 2.1 of the Cadence EDGE software.
	2) It is written in German.

If anyone is interested despite these two obvious flaws, contact me.

Andreas Koch * Institut f"ur theoretische Informatik * 
Abteilung E.I.S. * Gaussstr. 11 * D-3300 Braunschweig*
Tel. x49-531-391-2384 * FAX x49-531-391-5840 *
koch@eis.cs.tu-bs.de | koch@dbsinf6.bitnet | koch@infbs.uucp
From: cwp@idtinc.UUCP (Chuck Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: Third Party Books for Cadence
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:01:22 GMT
Organization: Integrated Device Technology, Santa Clara

In article <1992Sep9.150312.29434@walter.cray.com> toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg) writes:
>
>This is the text book for entry-level computer science and EE students at
>many schools (CSci 3316-3317 at U of Minnesota). It describes in detail the
>language Scheme, which is a dialect of Lisp.
>
>It's a *great* book, with lots of examples. As Chuck says, it will
>significantly help you understand Skill.
>

Just thought I'd let you all know that Cadence has submitted scheme as a
proposed standard for lisp to CFI (I think that's what they said at the
conference last week :-) ) Skill would gradually move towards scheme
while keeping all of the extra stuff that Skill has - sort of like
scheme+ 

In another article toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg) writes:
>
>(BTW, I have a copyofacopyofacopy...does anyone know if _Inside Skill_ is
>available in Postscript so I can print my own fresh copy?)

I suspect it will be on the SourceNet BBS that Cadence has. This BBS
should be up and running bby next week? Maybe? When it is I plan to post
a notice about it - details of what's on it and how to get a user ID.
You should be able to download a copy from there.

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|Chuck Phillips                                   |                          
|Integrated Device Technology, Inc                |
|2670 Seeley Ave                                  |
|San Jose, CA 95134                               |
|(408)944-2052                                    |
|(408)944-2195 (FAX)                              |
|uunet.uu.net!idtg!cwp                            |
|International Cadence User Group - Co-Chair      |
|Bay Area Cadence User People, BACUP, Chair       |
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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg)
Subject: Re: Third Party Books for Cadence
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:03:12 CDT

In article <500@idtinc.UUCP> cwp@idtinc.UUCP (Chuck Phillips) writes:
>In article <mn9pbdqs@csv.warwick.ac.uk> esrne@warwick.ac.uk (Mr P I Neaves) writes:
>>
>>Are there any third party books (i.e. not written by Cadence) about
>>how to use Cadence, SKILL etc.
>
>1) Take a class (or read a book) on lisp. This will greatly help your
>understanding of Skill - or so I am told - as Skill is based on lisp.
>===================================================
>|Chuck Phillips                                   |                          
>|Integrated Device Technology, Inc                |

If you want a recommendation on a specific book, here's one I have:

	_Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs_
	by Harold Abelson and Gerald Jay Sussman
	McGraw-Hill (MIT Press)  (c) 1985

This is the text book for entry-level computer science and EE students at
many schools (CSci 3316-3317 at U of Minnesota). It describes in detail the
language Scheme, which is a dialect of Lisp.

It's a *great* book, with lots of examples. As Chuck says, it will
significantly help you understand Skill.

  - Tom A.
---------------------------------------------+------------------------------
;-) I'd rather be ____  Thomas R. Arneberg   | Inet: toma@cray.com
:-) singing in a |____| Senior IC Design Eng.| UUCP: ...!uunet!cray!toma
:-) Barbershop  _|   _| Cray Research, Inc.  | CLAIM TO FAME: Loni Anderson 
:-) Quartet!   (_)  (_) Chippewa Falls, Wisc.|   went to my high school 
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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: toma@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Arneberg)
Subject: Re: Fonts and their sizes.
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Distribution: comp
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:40:19 CDT

In article <D86-EMH.92Sep9141836@dront.nada.kth.se> d86-emh@dront.nada.kth.se (E Magnus Hulthen) writes:
>
>I'm after 6 hours of solid digging into Skill, Design Framework, and
>techFile manuals still as puzzled as before I started. (If not more :-)
>The question is, how do I get the size of the characters in the fonts.
>The font I'm interested in is the "stick" font but I guess theres gotta
>be a general way of finding this out.
>
>So any help you can give me is greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>					/Magnus Hulthen
>					d86-emh@nada.kth.se

There are three ways that I know of:
  (1) Interactively:
	 CIW -> Set Options -> User Preferences : Text Font in dialog box

  (2) In your .cdsinit:
	 hiiSetFont("text" "-adobe-courier-bold-r-*-*-12-*")      ;Sets fonts

  (3) In your ~/.Xdefaults:
         Opus.textFont:  -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-12-*
         Opus.labelFont: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-12-*

When I installed our Cadence software last May (sub-version 4.2.65.4) on
our Sparcstation 2's (SunOS 4.1.1, OpenWindows 3.0), I had problems with
the fonts using methods (1) and (2) above. The letters seemed to run into
to each other, for a squeezed look. (Looked like printing Geneva font on a
Macintosh, where the LaserWriter converts each character to helvetica, but 
does not change the spacing between each letter...)

Only when I put the two lines in my ~/.Xdefaults file did the fonts look
normal again.

Does this answer your question, or did I misunderstand?
  - Tom A.
---------------------------------------------+------------------------------
;-) I'd rather be ____  Thomas R. Arneberg   | Inet: toma@cray.com
:-) singing in a |____| Senior IC Design Eng.| UUCP: ...!uunet!cray!toma
:-) Barbershop  _|   _| Cray Research, Inc.  | CLAIM TO FAME: Loni Anderson 
:-) Quartet!   (_)  (_) Chippewa Falls, Wisc.|   went to my high school 
---------------------------------------------+------------------------------
From: cwp@idtinc.UUCP (Chuck Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: Re: Third Party Books for Cadence
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:00:45 GMT
Organization: Integrated Device Technology, Santa Clara

In article <mn9pbdqs@csv.warwick.ac.uk> esrne@warwick.ac.uk (Mr P I Neaves) writes:
>
>A simple question.
>
>Are there any third party books (i.e. not written by Cadence) about
>how to use Cadence, SKILL etc.
>
>In other words, a decent training manual.
>
>For example, there must be hundreds if not thousands of books
>on TURBO C.
>
>What about Cadence ?
>
>Phil

This question has been asked before and the response was "None that I
know of." As far as I know this is still true. The best you can hope for
are three things.
1) Take a class (or read a book) on lisp. This will greatly help your
understanding of Skill - or so I am told - as Skill is based on lisp.

2) Get a copy of the Application Note, "Inside Skill". This is available
from your local AE or Salesperson. They CAN get it whether they say the
can or not. Also, it is a no charge item.

3) Get a copy of the Advanced Skill tutorial that was presented last week
at the International User Conference. Watch this news group for details
on how to obtain it and the cost. In two weeks or so I will post details
about it.

Both 2 and 3 are very helpful and give details on advanced features.
Then there is the old standby of perusing through the AppsLib for
examples of how others used a given command or solved a given problem.

The AppsLib is a bunch of utilities, scripts and Skill files. It is also
available from your AE/salesperson at no charge.

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|Chuck Phillips                                   |                          
|Integrated Device Technology, Inc                |
|2670 Seeley Ave                                  |
|San Jose, CA 95134                               |
|(408)944-2052                                    |
|(408)944-2195 (FAX)                              |
|uunet.uu.net!idtg!cwp                            |
|International Cadence User Group - Co-Chair      |
|Bay Area Cadence User People, BACUP, Chair       |
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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: winzker@scoop.ims.uni-hannover.dbp.de (Marco Winzker)
Subject: Uses anyone Symbolic Layout?
Reply-To: winzker@scoop.ims.uni-hannover.dbp.de
Organization: LFI, Uni Hannover, Germany
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:56:30 GMT

Hey there,

is anyone using Symbolic Layout for VLSI design.

With Cadence-Tools? 
Edge or Opus?
Who supplied your Technology- and Layers-files?
What is your experience?
Any Comments?

Please mail to me. I will post a summary.


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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: pas@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca (Peter Stokes)
Subject: Re: Summary Design Archive
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:56:26 GMT

In article <3921@phred.UUCP> kimb@phred.UUCP writes:
>Chuck Phillips or any other Cadence/Valid Users,
>
>	Were there any groups at the Cadence/Valid users meeting that
>	address the current problem with Design Archive?
>
>	A couple weeks ago I posted this question and only recieved a
>	two responses, here there are:

< stuff deleted >

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, a DEC person at the vendor fair at the 
User Group meeting explained to me that the CFI mandate 
included this (one should be able to step back to specific
point in time of a design rev and its specific design environment) 
but that it was "a long ways away" from a DEC, CFI and Cadence
standpoint. 

Peter
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Peter A. Stokes ~~~~~~~~ pas@jupiter.ic.cmc.ca ~~~~~~~ (613) 545-2923 ~~~~~
Canadian Microelectronics Corporation ~~~~~~~~~~~ Kingston, Ontario, Canada
                       Educate, don't legislate.
From: cwp@idtg.uucp (Chuck Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: User Group - Proceedings
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:29:03 GMT
Organization: Integrated Device Technology, Santa Clara

We are now ready to start taking orders for proceedings of the recent
International Cadence User Group Conference held August 31-September 2,
1992 in Santa Clara.

To order a complete set of proceedings send fifty dollars ($50.00) U.S.
funds payable to Cadence to:

Joyce White
Cadence Design Systems
2655 Seeley Drive
San Jose, CA 95134
MS: 6A2

Sorry, I forgot to ask how long it will take to get them. :-( If you
need more details you may email Joyce at jwhite@cadence.com or call her
at (408)894-3442.

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|Chuck Phillips                                   |                          
|Integrated Device Technology, Inc                |
|2670 Seeley Ave                                  |
|San Jose, CA 95134                               |
|(408)944-2052                                    |
|(408)944-2195 (FAX)                              |
|uunet.uu.net!idtg!cwp                            |
|International Cadence User Group - Co-Chair      |
|Bay Area Cadence User People, BACUP, Chair       |
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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: gkg8353@usl.edu (Gavini Gopi K)
Subject: SILOS logic simulator
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:50:53 GMT

Could any of the Cadence folks let me know how to specify an unknown state (x) and high impedance state (Z) in the silos.inp file of the silos simulator.
Thanks in advance.

Gopi Krishna Gavini
VLSI Systems Research Laboratory
University of Southwestern Louisiana
Lafayette LA 70504

Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: esrne@warwick.ac.uk (Mr P I Neaves)
Subject: Third Party Books for Cadence
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:26:55 GMT


A simple question.

Are there any third party books (i.e. not written by Cadence) about
how to use Cadence, SKILL etc.

In other words, a decent training manual.

For example, there must be hundreds if not thousands of books
on TURBO C.

What about Cadence ?

Phil
From: gkg8353@usl.edu (Gavini Gopi K)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: BiCmos design on Cadence Edge?
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:34:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

I was wondering on the design of BiCmos circuits using Cadence Edge design 
framework. The framework we have supports layers files for analog and digital 
separately, is there any way we can merge this two layer files to design BiCmos or is there a separate layers file for BiCmos.
I appreciate your help in this matter.

Gopi Krishna Gavini
VLSI Systems Research Laboratory
University of Southwestern Louisiana
Lafayette, LA 70505  USA
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: pas@jupitercmc.ca (Peter Stokes)
Subject: Re: Third Party Books for Cadence
Reply-To: pas@jupiter.ic.cmc.ca
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:00:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.184224.24494@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, markp@vlsi-az_fw.vlsi-az.sps.mot.com (Mark Pease) writes:
|> In article <mn9pbdqs@csv.warwick.ac.uk> esrne@warwick.ac.uk (Mr P I Neaves) writes:
|> >A simple question.
|> >Are there any third party books (i.e. not written by Cadence) about
|> >how to use Cadence, SKILL etc.
|> >In other words, a decent training manual.
|> >For example, there must be hundreds if not thousands of books
|> >on TURBO C.
|> >What about Cadence ?
|> >Phil
|> 
|> How much interest would there be for a book like this? I have thought that
|> I might do it for my next project, but unless we could sell enough books, I
|> don't think that I could get a publisher to do it.
|> What do you think? How many installations does Cadence have? What would you
|> like to see in a Skill Book (How 'bout the title "Strike Up The Band:
|> Programing in Cadence Skill"?)

Mark,

You might want to check with Cadence first as there are 
some efforts internally for additional documentation.   
I realize that the proposal is for third-party documentation
but duplicate effort might be wasted.   For example, I 
heard at the User Group meeting that a Skill Quick Reference
Guide will be available with 4.2.1 in October.

Peter

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Peter A. Stokes ~~~~~~~~ pas@jupiter.ic.cmc.ca ~~~~~~~ (613) 545-2923 ~~~~~
Canadian Microelectronics Corporation ~~~~~~~~~~~ Kingston, Ontario, Canada
                       Educate, don't legislate.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: mwgs@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mike Snook)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: pty's and cadence
Keywords: pty`s
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:01:50 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Edinburgh University

We are experiencing an iritating problem in starting up cadence edge,
50% of the time cadence fails to run. 

We are running cadence on a sun 4 with 32 Meg of memory, when cadence
fails to run we get the resulting message;-

            ``all pty`s in use``

We have increaced the number of pty`s to 96 to no avail -- still fail
to run 50% of the time. The machine is lightly used with no increased 
use since we increased the number of pty`s to 96.

Does cadence have favourite pty`s? will it fail if these are in use?

Has anyone else experienced similar problems? Any hints on fixing 
would be greatly appreciated.

                              MIKE (mwgs@uk.ac.ed.ph.th)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: ruck@zeta.ee.ufl.edu (John R Ruckstuhl Jr)
Subject: functionality diagram
Organization: EE Dept at UF
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 20:10:47 GMT

I'd like a functionality diagram -- design process block diagrams, with
the !currently-available?! appropriate Cadence tools marked.
If two utilities provide the same functionality (Cadence origin, Valid
origin) then mark which one will be preferred in the future.
I'd like to see a diagram showing the current and future states of the 
Cadence/Valid product line.

Really, I'd think such a diagram would be essential to the salespeople.
Have the Cadence and Valid product presentations been integrated?

Has anyone seen such a thing?
Will anyone make such a thing?

Regards,
ruck
-- 
John R Ruckstuhl, Jr                    ruck@alpha.ee.ufl.edu
Dept of Electrical Engineering          ruck@cis.ufl.edu, uflorida!ruck
University of Florida                   ruck%sphere@cis.ufl.edu, sphere!ruck
From: manley@optilink.UUCP (Dave Manley)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: low posting volume on comp.cad.cadence
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:39:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products

We get very few postings in this news group, one post
a day or fewer.  Is it possible I'm getting a partial
feed and not seeing everything?

If you get a substantially higher volume of postings
please email me at manley@optilink.com so that I
can get my sysadmin to fix things.

thanks,

dave
manley@optilink.com
From: cwp@idtg.uucp (Chuck Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: User Group - New Officers
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:32:23 GMT
Organization: Integrated Device Technology, Santa Clara

The International Cadence User Group held a user conference this past
week (8/31 through 9/3). A new charter was voted in and new officers were
elected. The charter called for a single year of having two co-chairs.
One would be elected from the old Valid users and one from the old
Cadence users. Though they would share responsibilities and represent all
users equally. The new officers are:

Valid Co-Chair:
Arn Buck
Data Swith
One Enterprise Drive
Shelton, CT 06484
(203) 926-1801
(203) 929-8494 FAX

Cadence Co-Chair
Chuck Phillips
Integrated Device Technology, Inc
2670 Seeley Ave
San Jose, CA 95134
(408)944-2052
(408)944-2195 (FAX)
email: uunet.uu.net!idtg!cwp

Chair Emeritus
Dan Schumacher
HP-Apollo
300 Apollo Drive
Chelmsford, MA 01824
(508) 436-5362
(508) 250-1738 FAX
email: schumach@apollo.hp.com

Secretary/Treasurer
Jody T. Post
Telco Systems
63 Nahatan Street
Norwood, MA 02062
(617) 551-0300 x2435
(617) 255-2388 FAX

CAE SIG Chair
Richard G. Munden
TRW, Elec. & Tech. Div.
Electronic Systems Group
One Space Park
Redondo Beach, CA 90278
(310) 812-7116
(310) 821-2745 FAX

Analog Chair
Oliver Smith
IVAC Corporation
10300 Campus Point Drive
San Diego, CA 92121-1579
(619) 458-7245
(619) 458-7763 FAX

IC Chair
Pat Catapano
Motorola Semi Custom Ops.
1300 Alma School Road
Chandler, AZ 85224
(602) 821-4194
(602) 821-4058 FAX
email: catapano@azmda.sps.mot.com

PCB/Systems Chair
Buck Titherington
4800 Oak Grove Drive
Pasadena, CA 91109
(818) 354-3482
(818) 354-3440
email: buck@purgatory.jpl.nasa.gov

We plan on sending out lots of info regarding the meeting in the
next few weeks. I just wanted to get this out to let everyone know who to
contact. There are also several local or regional user groups. Again,
more to follow.

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|Chuck Phillips                                   | 
|Integrated Device Technology, Inc                |
|2670 Seeley Ave                                  |
|San Jose, CA 95134                               |
|(408)944-2052                                    |
|(408)944-2195 (FAX)                              |
|uunet.uu.net!idtg!cwp                            |
|International Cadence User Group - Co-Chair      |
|Bay Area Cadence User People, BACUP, Chair	  |
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Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
From: pas@jupitercmc.ca (Peter Stokes)
Subject: Re: User Group - New Officers
Reply-To: pas@jupiter.ic.cmc.ca
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:34:24 GMT

In article <496@idtinc.UUCP>, cwp@idtg.uucp (Chuck Phillips) writes:
|> The International Cadence User Group held a user conference this past
|> week (8/31 through 9/3). A new charter was voted in and new officers were
|> elected. The charter called for a single year of having two co-chairs.
|> One would be elected from the old Valid users and one from the old
|> Cadence users. Though they would share responsibilities and represent all
|> users equally. The new officers are:

( stuff deleted )

Thanks for the info Chuck.   There was indeed lots of info 
at the user group meeting that would assist anyone managing
and/or supporting one or more seats of software at their sites.
Attendance was approximately 450 people (!) and attendees learned
about the existence of Application Notes, Product Advisories,
Guides, product R&D, SourceNet (ask your FAE), tool usage and 
customization in other companies.      I made a number of Cadence 
contacts and brought back ideas related to more efficient Cadence 
tool usage in our organization.    The user group officers and 
colleagues did a great organizing job as did a large number of 
Cadence employees with their assistance.   Believe it!

Peter

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Peter A. Stokes ~~~~~~~~ pas@jupiter.ic.cmc.ca ~~~~~~~ (613) 545-2923 ~~~~~
Canadian Microelectronics Corporation ~~~~~~~~~~~ Kingston, Ontario, Canada
                       Educate, don't legislate.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: cwp@idtg.uucp (Chuck Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.cad.cadence
Subject: User Group - Joe Costello
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:09:40 GMT
Organization: Integrated Device Technology, Santa Clara

The first day of the conference Joe Costello gave a keynote address. I
taped his talk. If there is sufficient interest I will transcribe it and
upload it to the news group. What is "sufficient interest?" That is a
purely arbitrary number - sorry. If you are interested in seeing this
happen please contact me using phone, email or post - do not use FAX as
they do not deliver and unless I KNOW a FAX is coming I will not look.

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|Chuck Phillips                                   |                          
|Integrated Device Technology, Inc                |
|2670 Seeley Ave                                  |
|San Jose, CA 95134                               |
|(408)944-2052                                    |
|(408)944-2195 (FAX)                              |
|uunet.uu.net!idtg!cwp                            |
|International Cadence User Group - Co-Chair      |
|Bay Area Cadence User People, BACUP, Chair       |
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