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Subject:      Handicap Digest # 3013

                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 3013

                          Friday, November 06, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                        Help needed for the Macintosh
                                    HELLO
                            Re: Now I done it!!!!
                            Re: The act of voting
                                 Re: Culture
                                 Veto Bush!
                                    Qmrp
                               Weather Teller
                           Ntasg?  no one knows...
                                   ACTORS


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Subject: Help needed for the Macintosh
From: Les.Kriegler@f207.n260.z1.fidonet.org (Les Kriegler)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:260/207 - The Recovery Room, Rochester NY


A friend who is new to computers must learn the Macintosh
environment for her job.  She has acquired OutSpoken, but is having
difficulty in understanding and learning the product.  Any
suggestions regarding resources and organizations that she might
contact for assistance would be appreciated.  Any comments on the
product itself, both pro and con would be helpful as well.

 Thank you.  Les

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Subject: HELLO
From: Carol.Cunningham@f8017.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Cunningham)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/8017 - Lou Gomez, The Colony TX


Hi Friends,

Let me introduce myself. I am Carol Cunningham from Irving, Tx the
home of the now 7-1 Dallas Cowboys!!! Can you tell that I'm a very
proud fan? :)  I have a congenital bone condition known as
Osteogenesis Imperfecta or Brittle Bones. Any other OI'ers on the
Net? In 1964 I graduated from  college with a degree in English.
For the past MANY years I have  been a private tutor working from
my home. I teach all ages from Kindergartners to adults in the
areas of reading, phonics, math, English, GED etc. Love what I do
very much.

I share a home with my mother, aunt, and adorable 5 year old
Chihuahua Kelia who is the light of my life.

Many things interest me including people, laughter, reading,
science, medicine, animals, etc.

Any one out there who is a member of the Osteogenesis Imperfecta
Foundation as am I ?

    Will close for now.  God bless and take care.
                              Carol Cunningham

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Subject: Re: Now I done it!!!!
From: Pandora.Nigh@p0.f554.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Pandora Nigh)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/554.0 - Analytical Engine B, Willoughby OH


 -=> Quoting Bill Gorman to All <=-

     Hi Bill,

 BG> So I finally asked for an accommodation under the ADA - a
 BG> motorized tri-cart or some such so I can get around and do my job.
 BG>
 BG> What will I get - the cart, or the gate?

Sorry to say Bill, you stepped into it this time. ADA doesn't
require an employer to supply and individual with durable medical
equipment.  If you need a wheelchair, tricart, hearing aid,
crutches etc it is your responsibility to get them. Now they can be
good sports and get one for you.  But if there like most place,
hell will freeze over first. Good part is that they can't fire you
for the request, that is covered under ADA.

 BG> If you don't hear from me on this echo again, you will
 BG> know what the answer was.  :-(

      I hope that whether they give you the tricart or not that you stick
    around.
                                   Pandora

... Back up my hard disk? I can't find the reverse switch!
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Subject: Re: The act of voting
From: Pandora.Nigh@p0.f554.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Pandora Nigh)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/554.0 - Analytical Engine B, Willoughby OH


 -=> Quoting Ken Weaverling to All <=-

      Hi Ken

 KW> I called the elections office, and they said that *I* would have to
 KW> accompany her into the booth and assist her.

      Under ADA they can't require you to assist her, they have to provide
    assistance. Now this doesn't mean a special voting booth but one of the
    poll people if requested has to help her vote. Because they do have
    absentee ballots they are given latitude in how much modification they
    have to do to the voting apparatus.
       Unfortunately your post arrived on election day. Hopefully one of the
    workers at the poll was on the ball and helped her. At least now you
    know that next time you can force the issue. If they don't want to
    help you inform them that you are regerstering a complaint and request
    for an investigation and prosecution with the Department of Justice.
    Then call the Board of Elections and demand that they provide someone
    to help her in the voting booth.
                                                Pandora

... RAM DISK is NOT an installation procedure!
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Subject: Re: Culture
From: Russell.Goddard@p0.f650.n107.z1.fidonet.org (Russell Goddard)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/650.0 - Storm Cloud BBS, Old Bridge NJ


On 28 Oct 92 16:52:02, Linda Iverson babbled to Ben Harold...

Hello Linda!

 LI> I know very little about deafness; I've learned more by reading Silent
 LI> Talk and Abled.  I've exchanged messages with a few people on ST, but
 LI> don't have any close deaf friends.  I know even among the deaf there

I am not totally deaf, but I am profoundly deaf.  I don't have many
close hearing-impaired friends either.  I hope to make some
hearing-impaired friends when I go to college (I'll be teaching deaf and
hard of hearing children).

 LI> are differing views as to Deaf Culture, so I'm sure there are varying
 LI> opinions among the blind, too.  Though deafness and blindness are
 LI> similar in that each disability involves not having one of the five
 LI> senses, I believe that's where the similarity stops.  A blind person's
 LI> most important sense is the one the deaf person lacks and vice versa.

That part is true.  Some deaf people (like the Deaf President NOW
movement of 1988) are so proud of their deafness that if they got back
their hearing, they would poke their ears with a pencil and be deaf
again.  But most people are not that extreme, mine included.  I'm sure
as hell don't want to be both deaf and blind.  I simply don't have the
strength to be both.

 LI> Deafness is a hidden disability in that you can't look at a person and
 LI> know they're deaf; either a blind person's imperfect eyes will give
 LI> them away of their use of a travel aid--cane, dog, or walking with a
 LI> sighted guide.  I read that Helen Keller once said that blindness kept

That's pretty much true.  Their use of sign language can give them away,
too.  I wear two behind-the-ear hearing aids, and most people can see
it.  The sad thing is that most people thought that I'm wearing a radio
in both ears.  So much for education.

 LI> her from things and deafness from people.  From what I've read, the
 LI> deaf in many ways seem more willing to help and rely on each other.
 LI> They want to and try to fit into the "real world"--that of the
 LI> non-disabled, but do rely on each other for socialization.  There is
 LI> no college for the blind as there is Gallaudet.  There are no social
 LI> clubs for the blind as there are for the deaf.  There's no theater for
 LI> the blind.

That again is true.  However, I am unique that I have -- not one -- but
two paths to take.  I can either take the path to the assimilation into
the hearing culture, or take the path to the assimilation into the deaf
culture.  I am part deaf and part hearing, and for most of my life I've
been struggling with my identity.  Am I hearing or am I deaf?  I really
do try to fit into the real world.  Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose.

 LI> As to whether or not deafness is a "handicap", I can't say; as with
 LI> blindness, it's something which isn't the center of your life but
 LI> certainly determines the methods you use to accomplish a given task.
 LI> I know at times blindness is a "handicap", "inconvenience", but I
 LI> believe everyone of us has a weakness.  None of us can do everything.
 LI> It's just that if you are limited by lack of hearing or sight, for
 LI> example, that's an obvious weakness; but, if you couldn't read that
 LI> would be a limitation, too, but might not be discovered as soon as
 LI> blindness or deafness would.  And when I said "weakness", I meant
 LI> "limitation".

There are many, many things that I always wanted to do.  I've always
wanted to talk on the phone, talk to people in noisy rooms, make friends
easier.  I can't quite overcome my disability without significant
effort.  To accomplish my task, I sometimes try to read lips, try to
listen with my residual hearing, or have someone write something down.
 * TLX 1.1 * Docking Starships involves Berth control

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Subject: Veto Bush!
From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE


[This is from the AbleNews Conference]

In a message to Marianne Spengler <23 Oct 92 21:45> Rosemary Mcguire wrote:

 RM> Do you also know that Bush's "Council on Competitiveness"--ostensibly
 RM> created to "protect" business from "unnecessary regulations" is devoted
 RM> to gutting the ADA?  Nice guys aren't they?

That is Quayle's council.  They have as their main goal to 'gut'
anything that might impose a inpediment to business.

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Subject: Qmrp
From: Sergio.Guzman@f7.n3803.z1.fidonet.org (Sergio Guzman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3803/7 - Circle of Support, New Iberia LA


[This is from the AbleNews Conference]

->       It does, thank you. Is this similar to what would be called a
-> "case manager"?

A case manager works with clients in about the same way, but
usually the case manager has to go to each of his clients in there
own home setting. His/Her case load may be large and each client
may be in a different home. My job is more structured and all my
clients live in the same area (6 to a home with 3 homes). The staff
does the actual hands on work with the clients and I just watch,
take notes and advise. I then write up objectives or lesson plans
to help reach different goals the individual will be striving to
reach. There are many professionals who work with the clients that
aid me in the deciding what works best for the client but the
ultimate decision comes from the client. He/She controls what is
going to be worked towards and we advise.
                           Sergio

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Subject: Weather Teller
From: Jim.Jones@f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Jones)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/5109 - National Amputee Co, Dallas TX


[This is from the Amputee Conference]

 JH> I think
 JH> it's because I  feel my foot and all the pains I use to have
 JH> with it.....grin. It has become  my weather teller.

John, I know what you mean. We have a member of our amputee support
group who relates phantom pain to changes in barometric pressure and
temperture. At first I really did not feel that his theory had much
value, but I have changed my mind. Today we have had a cold front come
through and my phantom pain has bothered me.

Also, don't be too tough on Gov. Ann. She is doing the best she can.
I noticed that she is calling the legislature into session to solve
the school finance problems. I wonder how much that will cost us.

Jim Jones

... *******NORTH TEXAS AMPUTEE SUPPORT GROUP (214)289-5775*******

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Subject: Ntasg?  no one knows...
From: Sheila.Fava@f3.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Sheila Fava)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/3 - Nerd's Nook, Rocky River OH


[This is from the Amputee Conference]

Shall I quote the quote from Wayne to Jim to you?  Naaaa...just y'all:

DJ -> In your message to Wayne Briggs, you expressed some dismay that
DJ -> the fine folks at Parkland weren't telling their patients about
DJ -> NTASG:
...
DJ -> That's not an isolated problem...

It sure isn't!  Bill Baughn introduced me to NTASG when I was in
Parkland.  I am a subscriber to the NTASG newsletter and am a
member of the Nevada Amputee Support Group.  There -are- many more
people who need this kind of support group and the hospitals and
rehab units are not holding up their end of the deal.  Any ideas?
Public awareness? Computer notices of NTASG and Nevada's support
group' meetings?  Public Service Announcements?

                    ---Sheila

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Subject: ACTORS
From: Laurel.Gealt@f201.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Laurel Gealt)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/201 - US Telematics, Yardley PA


[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

I sent this message before, and I got no replies.  I don't know
whether this is because no one is interested in the subject, or
whether my message just got lost.  So I am sending it again.

What does everyone think about deaf protests against the use of
hearing actors in deaf roles?  The Asians also do this.  They
recently mounted a big campaign against a play that planned to cast
a white person in an Asian role.  I think that this is incredibly
stupid.  Don't these people understand what an actor is?  The whole
job of an actor is to play people who are different from what the
actor really is.  If you carry this out all the way, you could only
have a married actor playing the role of a married man, and you
could only have a divorced actor playing the role of a divorced
man.

And, if there is a role for a character with a 12 year old son and
a 9 year old daughter, you could only cast an actor with a 12 year
old son and a nine year old daughter in the role.  I don't think
that these Deaf and Asians actors are really idealists fighting for
a cause.  They just want jobs.

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