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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:14:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.222825.3546@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

><1992Dec25.082049.23606@netcom.com> xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) :

>><1992Dec24.220626.10700@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) :

>>But this is the first year that Young has started the season as 1st
>>string.  So, it's a little early to expect him to have a whole heck of a
>>lot of playoff victories.  :-)

>Excuse me?  I could have sworn that was him starting the first game in
>1991.

Sure it was.  Because the first string QB was hurt.  What's your point,
Storga?

>Oops.  Doesn't sound like he's very consistent.  Something that always set
>QB's apart (in my own rating system) is their consistency.

Yeah, I can see it now:

	*************************************
	*                                   *
	* GORDON STORGA'S QB RANKING SYSTEM *
	*                                   *
	*************************************
                                            ^
                                             these stars should have 5 points

1. Must have played at least 50% of his games in Cowboy Stadium (50 points)
2. Must have worn a white uniform at least 80% (35 points)
3. Must think Tom Landry is God (or at least Jesus with a haircut) (10 points)
4. Everything else (5 points)

Danny White was awfully consistent at #1 and #2.

>Many QB's are capable of leading a team to victory.  Many have this year.
>Right now, before the Monday game against the powerhouse Lions, Aikman has
>led his team to just as many victories as Young.  Why wouldn't Aikman be
>MVP in this case?

Do we have two Gordon Storgas on the net (the mind reels)?  Or was that
some other Bowboy fan who was decrying Aikman as the second coming of 
Dieter Brock after the loss to the Deadskins?

Time for some really mature responses:

So's your old man.  Sez you.  Your mama wears Army boots.

So, if it comes to it, Gordon, why don't we have a BET??
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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From: sue@dracut.keps.com (Sue Klimowicz)
Subject: Re: Vikes and Bills observations (not the Chargers)
Originator: sue@dracut
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:12:44 GMT

In article <BzMoB5.6JL@acsu.buffalo.edu> v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER) writes:
> In article <1992Dec21.102555.2452@vixvax.mgi.com>, eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth) writes...
> >Vikings Observations:
> > 
> >	As a Vikings fan, I want to see them win.  As a realist, they are
> >	very unlikely to do well in the playoffs because they STILL have
> >	no QB.  Rich "no humility" Gannon sucks; he's the Willie Banks
> >	of the Vikings.  Salisbury is a more likeable guy and is a better
> >	passer as long as he has good protection, but is easy to sack.
> >	Without Cris Carter, they have no passing game against a good
> >	defensive team (Pittsburgh is NOT a good defensive team, regardless
> >	of their stats.)  Philly, Wash, SF, and Dallas would all beat the
> >	Vikings in the playoffs.  Their only hope would be to rely on their
> >	very good defense to come up with a touchdown - a remote possibility.

I don't have enough information to understand why Gannon is perceived as
arrogant. Could someone post some info on this news articles etc. I have
been a supporter of Gannon but based on his performance during the 49ers
game, (Yes, he had lost confidence but a good QB should bounce back)and
all this talk about his bad attitude my support may be short lived.
From: riley@hotmetal.EBay.Sun.COM (Riley Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: SKINS RULE
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:04:53 GMT
Reply-To: riley@hotmetal.EBay.Sun.COM
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Organization: Sun Microsystems
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The Redskins have had a season filled with injuries.  Perhaps this accounts
for their performance this year after winning the Super Bowl last year.



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From eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: SKINS RULE
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 05:56:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.000608.12553@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JonaX) writes:
>RYPIEN TO  N O B O D Y!!!!   Ronnie Lott with the deflection and 
>a kick in the butt to the Redskins.   Maybe next year --- NOT!
>From the Superbowl to ....nothing...not even the playoffs...maybe
>even a loss to the Raiders!

Don't be too hasty. Green Bay still has to beat the Vikings tomorrow (or the
Eagles have to lose). I really, really hope the Packers win. I don't expect
much from them in the playoffs, but I like to see the teams there that haven't
been in a while.

Any Redskin fans out there want to comment about how come the Redskins seem to
follow a Super Bowl winning season by a season that has them not making the
playoffs at all? Of course that has yet to be determined for this year, but
there is a good chance it will and you can't say that the Redskins have played
like a defending Super Bowl champ.

Eric

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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Coaching Change in Chicago
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Dec30.202314.15310@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:41:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.202314.15310@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes:

   In article <1hs9l2INNca9@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
   skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:

   > After a talk with a high level media type sportscaster here's the scoop:
   > 
   > Ditka is out in Chicago, he will be replaced by Vince Tobin.....
   > 
   > Remember you heard it here first !
   > tim

   Right! This from the same guy who said "Handley signed on for four more
   years". (Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?) ;-)

   BTW, Tim, thanks to you're Handley post I had to spend the night in the
   rubber room in the Psych Unit here at DHMC. [8-{)

That was from the same guy who said "Handley signed on for four more years"
and *then* said that it was a joke.  So why do all the follow up say "is this
a joke?"?.

Didn't anybody else read the whole message?

Bill
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From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Subject: Re: Vikings comments
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 13:54:05 GMT


->In light of the Vikings clinching the NFC Central I thought I'd share with you 
->all some comments on the Vikings from a life-long Packer fan.  First of all as 
->a Packer fan it is understood that you hate the Bears.  (your just pretending 
->if you don't).  I've always wanted to hate the Vikings as well, but I couldn't.
-> They've always made me laugh.  I've compiled a list of tren reasons the 
->Vikings make me laugh.
->
->                    1.  Those purple uniforms.
->                    2.  Superbowl record 0-4
->                    3.  Jerry Burns  (the grumpyist coach I've ever seen)
->                    4.  1989 9-0 at home, 1-6 on the road
->                        (One win in dome-like Tampa Bay)
->                    5.  They always seem to back into the playoffs
->                    6.  They always seem to have comical games with the Bears
->                    7.  Hershel Walker
->                    8.  That guy with the big horn (I think he blows it when
->                         The Vikes score a touchdown
->                    9.  The taunting of Ditka when he refered to the HHH dome 
->                         as a roller rink
->                    10.  Purple people eaters
->
->BTW, this is not meant as a flame.  I just think they are funny.
->
->Paul (flashbacks of '89, YUCK!)
->
You are a moron and just jealous of the Vikes accomplishments the last few 
years.  Always back into the playoffs,  chew on this for awhile:

1969:  12-2   they really backed in here      Pack: 8-6
1970:  12-2                                   Pack: 6-8
1971:  11-3                                   Pack: 4-8-2  they really suck
1973:  12-2   really got lucky this year      Pack: 5-7-2  impressive
1974:  10-4                                         6-8   wow, almost .500
1975:  12-2   should have been in SB                4-10  putrid
1976:  11-2-1                                       5-9  
1977:  9-5     not too impressive                   4-10  but better than that
1980:  9-7     not too good                         5-10-1 
1987:  8-7    maybe backed in here (1 time)         5-9-1  suck as usual
1988:  11-5                                         4-12   yuck
1989:  10-6   won last game, did not back in        10-6  wow, an improvement
1990 - 1991:  the Herschel Years,  ouch
1992:  11-5    clinched on the road, a tough AFC team   Pack:  9-7  not good enuf


So, what do you think about that.

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From: bill@neocad.com (Bill Bentley)
Subject: Dan Reeves fired
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:42:15 GMT

Dan Reeves was fired today as Head coach of the Denver Broncos.

Bill B.
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From: cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS)
Subject: Re: VIKINGS WIN!!! 6-3
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:31:12 GMT

In article <1h2mtfINN2lo@uwm.edu> caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes:
>
>	Ugly or not, we are the NFC Central Champs! We have beaten a
>	winning team in Pittsburgh, and we are definately headed to the
>	playoffs. Awesome Sunday!
>
>	Mark
>	GO VIKINGS!
>
>	ps- Sorry Pack fans, you gave it a great effort, just a bit short.
>


	It still isn't over. If the Raiders win over Washington and Green
Bay wins in the Metrodome, the Pack and the Vikes will still have to do it
all over again the week after.
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Viking record for the regular season.
Date: 28 Dec 92 01:29:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bzy455.F5D
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


Here are the scores of the regular seson games of the Vikings for 1992.

	Sept 6 AT Green Bay     W 23-20 OT
	Sept13 AT Detroit       L 17-31 
	Sept20 TAMPA BAY        W 26-20
	Sept27 AT Cinn.         W 42-7
	Oct  4 CHICAGO          W 21-20  
	Oct 11 ---BYE---
	Oct 15 DETROIT          W 31-14 (Thursday) 
	Oct 25 WASHINGTON       L 13-15 
	Nov  2 AT Chicago       W 38-10 (Monday) 
	Nov  8 AT Tampa Bay     W 35-7  
	Nov 15 HOUSTON          L 13-17
	Nov 22 CLEVELAND        W 17-13
	Nov 29 AT LA Rams       W 31-17
	Dec  6 AT Philadelphia  L 17-28
	Dec 13 SAN FRANCISCO    L 17-20
	Dec 20 AT Pittsburgh    W  6-3  (NFC-Central Champs !!!)
	Dec 27 GREEN BAY        W 27-7
        
       Vikes finish season at 11-5.

Playoffs
        Jan 2 WASHINGTON 

        S.H	
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My Euphoric moments: A Viking TD or a Twins Homer Blast.
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: NY Times NFL Computer Rankings
Organization: Clark University
Date: 31 DEC 92 11:45:49 GMT

How are these ratings figured? The NFC rankings look somewhat agreeable,
but not the AFC. The Chargers have alot of momentum, but who have they
beaten to rate 2nd place overall?? Houston ahead of Pittsburgh, Buffalo
and Miami? The Chiefs ahead of the Bills? Come on!

I'll assume this is someone's opinion and not some computer ranking.

-		
Bart "Webb" Tilney	
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Detroit Lions ....Orphans of NFC-Central
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:22:20 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <C014wA.I7w@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>With all this rivalry between the Vikes and the Pack in the
>NFC Central, one team which is overlooked for the next
>season are the Lions.  I wonder howmuch is the intensity
>of the rivalry between the Lions and the Pack and the Lions
>and the Vikes. I also do not see any Detroit Lions fans on
>the net or are they just keeping low as the Lions have
>played dismally this year.

I am not a Lions fan but I wouldn't call their playing dismal.  Early
on they lost a few games by a TD or less (remember that great drive against
Tampa Bay where they ended with the ball on the 1 yard line but time ran out?).
Problems with the O line are a definite cause of this, even a great runner
like Barry Sanders needs someone to open holes for him.  I've also noticed
that Barry has a better game when the threat of a passing game exists: if
defenses don't respect the passing game, they line 7 defensive players on
the line and stuff the run.  With Ware at the helm completing a number of
passes, defenses start respecting the passing game and viola, Barry gets
140 yards against the #1 ranked run defense in the NFL.

>
>
>To all Pack, Bear and fellow Viking fans: We might be making
>a mistake here by overlooking the Lions and getting engrossed
>in our inter-team bitching :-):-).
>Just some food for ur football thoughts.
>
>S.H

They wrill be better than a 5-11 team next year!

satish nair
ray is gone!


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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Subject: Re: Vikes KILL the Pack
Keywords: Vikes win, the Pack LOSES
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:48:38 GMT

In article <Bzy1vn.Evy@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>After the Pack beat up on some teams without the super pass
>rush which the Vikes have, *some* of the Pack fans went into
>orgasm and started belittling the Vikes.  Ofcourse, this is
>not to take anything away from Holmgren and his Pack and
>Favre on what they achieved this year. But many of the Pack
>fans thought that the Vikes were push overs and would roll
>over and die and that the Vikes have sneaked into the Div.
>title and so on.... They overlooked the fact that even in 
>their losses to 9ers, Skins, Oilers and Eagles the Vikes
>gave a torrid time to their opponents before going down.
>But I still feel that the Vikes will not go deep into the
>playoffs unless they get an effort from their O like
>they did today.
>


What???  The Packers beat Philadelphia, Houston, and Pittsburgh this
year.  All of these teams have a pass rush equal to (or better) than
the Vikings.  In fact, the Packers were 3-2 vs. playoff teams this
year, with the only 2 losses to the Vikings.


-Todd
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: AP Coach of the Year!
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:16:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UfERZrq00WDKIGYYMr
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Congratulations go out to Bill Cowher for a fantastic season!
As a reward for his efforts, he has been named the Associated
Press NFL Coach of the Year. Way to go, Bill! Keep up the
good work!

--Vernon.
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: q
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:29:13 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:16:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Vikings comments
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

Hey Chad, bite me.  You are an insignificant pimple on the ass of humanity.
As for pricks it is obvious that you don't have one and that this missing
piece of anatomy is largly to blame for your boorish behavior.

ps have a merry xmas.


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* Donald Boell - Hewlett Packard               *
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* Don't grumble, give a whistle - Monty Python *
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From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: What's Up With Cofer?
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:15:35 GMT
Reply-To: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

In article <1992Dec30.015657.23812@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn) writes:
>Can any of you '9er fans clue me in on why Cofer had such an attitude
>Monday nite?  Has he always been this sensitive? I don't believe he was
>wavin' at mom, nor do I think it was "Thank you" that sprang from his
>lips when he missed an early FG attempt.  Although he didn't repeat
>this kind of display, he sulked and pouted for the rest of the game.  I
>realize he hasn't had a banner year and as I understand it, he's heard
>some boos at Candlestick other than the ones that made him throw a fit
>last night...

You seem to have all the facts at hand to explain his reaction. I'm
not sure why you're questioning his reaction. The facts are, he got off
to a very poor start, and was booed mercilessly. Then he rebounded and
has done well since then, but has gotten very little respect for his
efforts. Then he goes and misses one field goal attempt on a muddy field
in a driving rain, and he gets booed for it. Wouldn't you be tempted to
give the middle digit to those fans, too?

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Re: Posting game updates (was Re: The FAT LADY IS SINGING in BUFFALO!)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:12:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Jim,

After the Vikes lost, the next team that I will root for is
the Eagles, but the 49ers NOt! .

I respect the 9ers but I cannot stand them. They have won
too many Super Bowls(4-0)and the Vikes have yet to win one (0-4).

But it looks like the 9ers will be the first team in the
NFL to win 5 SBs.  I hope this doesn't happen :-) :-).

The Eagles, going by today's game against the Saints 
*deserve* to be in the SB.

S.H
OFCOURSE .... NO DALLAS... I HAVE ALREADY HAD ENOUGH OF THE
AMERICA'S TEAM CRAP AND I SHUDDER TO THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN
IF DALLAS WINS THE SB.

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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: 49er QBs
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:06:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.151404.26611@asl.dl.nec.com>, nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>If you were in George Seifert's shoes next season, would you bench the
>league MVP to give one of the all-time great QBs one more year of glory?
>Montana has already said that he will NOT be a backup, so this is what 
>George must do in order to keep Montana with San Francisco.

He'll have to sit out a season, unless he gets put on Plan B.

>I think Joe will be in another uniform next season, and it will be as
>bizarre as seeing O.J. in a 49er uniform.  Plenty of teams would be willing
>to shell out the cash to give Montana one or two seasons.  He is still 
>about as physically able as he ever was, he is probably just more suseptible
>to injury.  He is a huge ticket draw who could increase season ticket sales
>by 10,000 - 20,000 for some struggling franchises.  It reminds me of the Texas
>Rangers who picked up old-man Nolan Ryan to increase ticket sales, and he ends
>up being as good as ever.  I think Montana could do the same.

That might work.  Then again, he's got to die sometime.

>Let's see, which team has a decent offensive line, quarterback problems, and
>trouble selling tickets?  How about Phoenix.

But do they have the cash?

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Stupid Packer Woofs.....
Date: 26 Dec 92 01:17:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BzuE92.Lq0
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

On an interview yesterday on the TV, one of the Pack says this
" This game with the Vikings is all about who's the best
in the NFC-Central and we pretty much know who it is".

I was happy that atleast the Vikes do not have such loud mouthed
dummies on their team. 
 I am happy that the Vikes recognize the fact that the
game can go either way and the best team will win.

I hope the Packers prove their words on the field rather than
loud mouth and I will be the first person to congratulate them
on their victory, if they win.

S.H
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My Euphiric moments: A Viking TD and a Twins home run blast.
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: Re: CENTRAL DIVISION RIVALS 1970-92 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:30:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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.587 and no little rings! Too bad Soooooo sad!!


Nuff said!

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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Niners Win (Montana is Back - I hope)
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:32:45 GMT

<1992Dec30.003747.28880@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) :
><1992Dec29.224732.28016@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>><1992Dec29.051026.12084@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>>FINAL:  Niners  24  Lions  6
>>>Montana stats:  12/15  126 yds  2 TDs
>>>Young stats:  12/18  153 yds  0 TDs
>>...
>>>for his FIRST TD!   Montana received a well deserved
>>>ovation from the Candlestick faithful and I can assure 
>>>you that the patrons at the MNF game at Charlie Browns
>>>were equally ethused!  His performance for 2 quarters was
>>>pretty good, I'd say. Two TD's, and 126 yards passing, NO INTs.
>>>Better than some QBs did this year playing 4 qtrs and playing
>>>all year long!
>>
>>Also better than that other QB who played the first two quarters.  
>>You know, the one being considered for MVP.
>>
>Do I detect some animosity here Gordon? I made no reference that
>Young should get MVP. My post was simply to relate a fact.

[whining deleted]

Leave it to Gloria to miss the subtle humor.  Geez, does everything have
to have a smiley on it?


Gordon
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