From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: Re: LYING BY OMISSION!
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 03:51:04 GMT

In article 10689@usenet.ins.cwru.edu, bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>
>Brendan, when you claim that you responded to my original post, 
>that claim is as incomplete as your knowledge about the Middle 
>East!  I raised the issue of the Arab world rejecting the UN plan
>to partition the region into TWO states. One was to be Jewish, and
>the other a Palestinian State.  I brought up the issue that this
>new Palestinian state would have been much larger than the areas
>that are currently under question.  I brought up the issue that
>the Arab world rejected the partition, and instead attacked the Jews
>killing about 6,000.  And I raised the issue that now that the Jews
>have created a land of milk and honey out of nothing, the Arabs
>have changed their minds about the area, and want to take what the
>Jews have built up. 

Your last few sentences clearly prove you have a fundamental lack
of understanding of the relevant history.  I do not have time to
act as your tutor.

>I do not recall you responding to ANY of
>these points.  Since you have avoided these historical FACTS in
>your stupid anti-Israel diatribes, one can easily conclude that you
>are an historical LIAR.  Are you sure you are not connected with
>the illustrious IHR.  You sound like an IHR type.  You smell like
>an IHR type.  And with your eagerness to ignore the above facts,
>among others, it is clear that your posturing as one concerned with
>the Palestinian people is bullshit that you use to TRY to cover up
>your hatred of Israel.  Since your ramblings are unfettered by the
>ravages of fact that don't support your view, why don't you try to
>join the Klan, or the skinheads.  In this debate, you are in over
>your empty, bigoted head!

Mark, haven't you yet realised that you are an embarrassment to 
most of the pro-Israel posters on t.p.m?  You seem to be here just 
to vent your spleen all over the place.  Well, I have better things
to do with my time.  If you want to question my views, you are
welcome to QUOTE them (not make them up like you usually do) and
state your objections.  I will then defend them.  Be prepared for
an argument, as I am confident that I have read at least 10 times 
as much middle-east history as you have.

By the way, I found the book by Fromkin that you kindly referred
me to.  At first sight it appears to be a proficient and thorough
tertiary source (i.e., it is two steps removed from the primary
source material, as almost all the citations are to other books).
Its Judaocentric viewpoint is obvious, but that is not necessarily
a disadvantage if it is done openly.  What started to get me
actively suspicious was looking up "Transjordan" in the index and 
finding merely "see under Palestine".  Examination of Fromkin's
descriptions of some of the historical events for which I have
primary or secondary sources confirmed my suspicions:  this book
has been written by an author who is imbued with the
[Jabotinsky-ite] Revisionist-Herut minority model of history and
he is perfectly willing to misrepresent or even completely
suppress evidence that is contrary to it.  I could provide examples,
but only if you are interested in discussing it seriously.

Brendan.

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