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From: mre@saint.csd.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Bob Costas and NBC commentators
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:20:36 GMT

loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore) writes:

:-) >In article <Bs57AK.C64@cs.psu.edu> flee@cs.psu.edu (Felix Lee) writes:
:-) 
:-) >   Well, I'd be happy with fewer reaction shots of the coaches, fewer
:-) >   shots of gymnasts waiting for their results, or waiting to start.  And
:-) >   fewer commercials of course.  All these fillers, taking time that
:-) >   could be spent showing more action.
:-) 
:-) >   To some extent, these are logistic, directing problems, trying to
:-) >   cover a live event with concurrent action.
:-) 
:-) >True, but the events are shown on tape-delay in the US.  It seems like
:-) >they *did* waste an awful lot of time last night showing the gymnasts
:-) >just standing around waiting, and with more careful editing they could
:-) >have squeezed in a few more performances.  I think NBC only showed one
I agree. Here on the west coast we have the _benifit_/_advantage_ of 8 or
9 hours of delay. Surely enough for NBC to do some attempt at an editing
task. Most frustrating (for me :-) was Monday nights NBC evening (Pacific
time; i.e. delayed) coverage of the ``Dream Team'' v Croatia basketball
game. To cut a painful story short:: with 10 minutes remaining in the second
half (of a game I had tried to avoid hearing the final score !) Bob Costas
cut in and said (something like) "... And there we'll concede the game to
the US team and switch our attention to diving ..." .... Arrggg. Gaggg. Costas
you idiot! They must be able to fit 90 minutes of an event into 60 minutes
in a better fashion than cutting off the final minutes!!!! (rant, rave, fume).

:-) >Personally, I'm not so bothered by the taped background pieces on the
:-) >athletes as other people seem to be.  But they could certainly do
:-) >without the stupid music videos and the irrelevant hype interviews and
:-) >trivia pieces (like the bit about the swimming race in 1960).
Oh, they annoy the hell out of me. That 10 minute dirge re: the 1960's
controversial M-100m freestyle and 5 minutes focusing on Biondi when (with
the application of hindsight) he wasn't even the top american .... (rant, rave,
fume).

BTW, I didn't get the "triple-cast" 'cos I figured such things as the basketball
and other "gala events" would be shown live when I'm at work anyway ...
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Demonstration Sports in '96
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:06:19 GMT

In article <1675@aviary.Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM>, dmarshal@Stars.Reston.Unisys.COM ( Paramax) writes:
|> Does anyone know whether the demonstration sports for Atlanta have been
|> determined?
|> 
|> If they haven't been determined, who will decide, and how will the decision
|> be made?  Is there an opportunity for public input/comment?

As usual its up to the IOC, and I'm pretty sure that they can modify the list
whenever they want. (Of course they are limited by logistics such that by two
years from now it will be too late.)

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: John Tesh
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:30:08 GMT

In article 834@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu, chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
>chuanli@remus.rutgers.edu (chuanli) writes:
>: I watched the women gymnastic team competition last night, and found
>: John Tesh very anoying.
>
>Is this John is the same one of Entertinement Tonight on ABC?
>If so, how come NBC hired him? I am of the opinian that ABC and
>NBC are arch rivals. Somebody please clarify this.
>
>---Sreehari
>: people (experts) speak out. Agree?
>: How did he get the job anyway???
>: 
>: 
>: *************************************************************************
>: Never try to push to hard !!!!!!
>: *************************************************************************
>: Frank 
>: Rutgers University
>: New Brunswick, NJ.


ET is a syndicated show, it just so happens that your ABC affiliate is carrying the show.  Tesh used to be pretty good when he covered the tour, but he has really
gone down hill since then.
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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Volleyball complaints (NOT US-Japan)
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:53:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

While watching the US-Japan volleyball game, I noticed a couple
of things that bothered me (they are not related to the officiating).

First, a minor complaint.  Usually, the first team to 15 points wins
the set, except that you must win by two points.  In the Olympics, the 
score is capped at 17, so even if a team is not leading by two points,
when they reach 17 the set is over.  This is a reasonable rule to
prevent marathon matches, but I don't think the 17 point cap should
be in force in the 5th set.

Now, my main complaint - "Speed-scoring" in the fifth set.  Instead
of only scoring points when you are serving, a point is awarded on
every serve.  This forces teams to abruptly change their approach
in the fifth set.  For example, you can't afford to take a chance on 
a jump serve, because if you don't get the serve in, the other team
gets a point.  If two teams have fought each other even through four
sets, it seems wrong to suddenly change the rules for the deciding
fifth set.  The only reason I can think of that "speed-scoring" would
be introduced is to shorten the time required to play the set.  But,
how much time is saved?  Surely, the amount of time saved is meager
compared to the time of the entire match.  This is one rule we could
do without.

------------
Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
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From: gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty)
Subject: Re: NBC's family stories
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:56:55 GMT

IO92308@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (W. Roland Gehrels) writes:

>Sorry if I missed anybody complaining about this before but what REALLY
>gets on my nerves in NBC's coverage is all the family background you
>get on all the athletes. This one has a father who just had a triple
>bypass, that one has a veeeery speeeeecial relaaaationship with her
>boyfriend because of his heart problems, this victory is for his
>mother who passed away. YUUUUUUUK.
>Why is this? CBS did the same thing during the winter olympics. I am
>from Holland and used to a focus on the athletic achievement of the
(stuff deleted)
>athlete. They clearly overdo it. Give me a bucket.

Welcome to USA olympic coverage. ABC did the same thing when they coverred
tho olympics (Up Close and Personal). I personally think it sucks. Also,
I wish they would leave out the medal ceremonies. Clearly something        
more interesting is going on! Especially since the whole thing is tape
delayed!!!! All three of our major networks royally suck when it comes
to olympic coverage.
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:55:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.190427.18833@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld) writes:

|> The other type is a material violation of the rules. In basketball, a referee
|> can seldom make such a mistake unless it is connected with timing. Example:
|> was the last point shot before or after the time expired? If it was judged 
|> wrong, it can be overturned. In soccer, almost everything is "free judgement",
|> but if an 11-meter is judged after a foul that was clearly out of the 16-meter
|> field, this can be overturned and the goal annuled.
|> 
|> The point punishment for the second yellow card is rather peculiar to
|> volleyball (I hadn't known it existed before this game), but it is clear that
|> by "forgetting" in which set the first card was given, the ref clearly stole
|> a won game away from the Japanese.

Nope, it turns out that NO CARD WAS GIVEN. Neither yellow nor red. The ref it
seems was aware that a yellow had already been given and was aware that it would
end the game so he declined to give the card despite 30 seconds of shouting.
The scorekeepers bench never heard anything about a card. Samuelson (sp?)
never heard anything about the card. The US coach never heard anything about
the card, and the international Volleyball association head (Acosta) said that
the 23-0 ruling was made because a yellow was not issued. Not because two
yellows and no red were.

The ref didn't want to end the game on a red card, and since he figured it
wouldn't make any difference, he let Samuelson get away with his tantrum.
It turned out that the US was able to salvage the game, however, and the
Japanese protested. Under pressure from Acosta, the ref said he made a
mistake and the win was reversed. In other words, his free judgement was
overturned because he changed his mind 24 hours latter. This is like Fay
Vincent overrulling an Umpire in the World Series. It is the first time I
have EVER heard of a sports association overturning a free judgement.
I think the players are correct when they say that the win was reversed
because the Japanese donate the most money to volleyball.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:39:04 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul27.195405.14231@husc3.harvard.edu>, liu10@husc8.harvard.edu (Eric Liu) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul27.164759.18863@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
|> >
|> >B) The Japanese did not protest the incident at the time it occured, and
|> >occording to Olympic rules it was too late afterwards.
|> 
|> I believe the Japanese filed a protest right away. If you remember the match,
|> right before the Japanese player served for the match at 14-13, there was a
|> long pause because the ref first warned the American Player (Samuelson) and
|> then the Japanese coach went to the ref right away!  That was why the complain
|> was valid and was considered by a committee. 

I do remember the match, and not only didn't I see the japaneese coach, I
remember the serve comming not long at all after the American _finally_
stopped complaining (I can definitely verify his claim that HE wasn't told
about the yellow card). And I was looking at the ref the whole while (or at
least he was on the screen.)

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Result-W's 400m Individual Medley Heat 2
Summary: result list complete
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:47:12 GMT

SWIMMING - Women's 400m Individual Medley - Heat 2
==================================================

World Record		4:36.10
Olympic Record		4:36.29


1	SANDERS, Summer			USA	4:43.95
2	SYNOWSKI, Ewa	 		POL	4:46.00
3	LEWIS, Hayley			AUS	4:46.57
4	COADA, Nicoleta			ROM	4:48.12
5	CERNA, Hana			TCH	4:52.21
6	BONNET, Celine			FRA	4:54.70
7	DAVIES, Sharron			GBR	4:56.44
Disq	VESTERGAARD, Britta		DEN			Disqualified


** Results Complete **

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From: warsaw@athena.mit.edu (Daniel Maung)
Subject: Request: Table Tennis Results
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:15:53 GMT


Can someone please post the results for the first day of Table
Tennis events.  Thanks.


Daniel
warsaw@athena.mit.edu
From: dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: MEDAL COUNT su 26.7.
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:43:50 GMT
Reply-To: dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Organization: UCLA, Mathematics Department


   Whatever medal count you'll use, it is still a very poor measure of
   a country's Olympic performance; for some small events have a huge
   amount of medals (say shooting) yet others, much more popular
   (in terms of players _and_ viewer popularity) have only few medals
   --say volleyball or the marathon.

 - David

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Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
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From: ttsai@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: dream team or nightmare team?
Date: 30 Jul 1992 18:52:56 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu

Victor Lin <vl11+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Athletes should be protected.  Strict punishments, therefore,
>should be enforced when an athlete intentionally attempts to
>injure another one.
Agreed.  However, even though Barkley's elbow was hardly a "love pat," it was
nowhere close to an intentional attempt at injury.  Barkley deserved the 
technical for unsportsmanship, but that was it.

>Consider this scenario.  A basketball team not in medal
>contention decides to start a brawl during a game against the
>dream/nightmare team.  Obviously, this team may be ejected,
>but the damage done to the dream/nightmare team may easily
>outweigh it.  

>All I'm saying is that the punishment should have been more
>severe.
>the team may be ejected, 
Don't you mean the punishment should fit the crime.  I think you're letting
your emotions get the better of you, or am I missing all the invisible
smileys?

Timothy Tsai
ttsai@uiuc.edu
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Result-M's 200m Breaststroke Heat 5
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:43:19 GMT

   Heat 5:
 1.  Karoly Guttler (Hungary)                       2:14.31
 2.  Kenji Watanabe (Japan)                         2:14.35
 3.  Philip Rogers (Australia)                      2:14.39
 4.  Joaquin Fernandez Corredor (Spain)             2:14.93
 5.  Javier Careaga Tequena (Mexico)                2:15.59
 6.  Rodney Lawson (Australia)                      2:15.67
 7.  Francesco Postiglione (Italy)                  2:15.97
 8.  Michael Mason (Canada)                         2:18.64

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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Result-M's 400m Freestyle Heat 6
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:22:17 GMT

   Heat 6
 1. Kieren Perkins (Australia)        3:49.24
 2. Sebastian Wiese (Germany)         3:50.73
 3. Mariusz Podkoscielny (Poland)     3:52.07
 4. Piermaria Siciliano (Italy)       3:52.32
 5. Daniel Jorgensen (US)             3:53.20
 6. Massimo Trevisan (Italy)          3:56.35
 7. Mehmet Ugar Taner (Turkey)        3:57.64
 8. Stephen Akers (Britain)           3:58.99

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From: rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe,misc.headlines,rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Macedonian athletes to compete at Barcelona, Spain.
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:50:27 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics

shopov@ee.su.oz.au (Sacha Shopov) writes:

>"For the First time in Olympic History:"
>           MACEDONIANS WILL BE THERE ON THEIR OWN
>   On 15th of July the International Olympic Committee (IOC)
>inform Macedonian Olympic Committee that Macedonian athletes
>can compete at the next OIympic Games held at Barcelona, Spain.

        ... [stuff deleted]

>The Macedonian athletes will compete under the Olympic
>flag. That won't stop thousands of journalists and sport
>reporters to inform their base that the following athletes
>are coming from Macedonia.

Since the so-called "Macedonian" state has not yet been recognized 
by most of the countries of the world (including the USA and the EEC), 
the main argument against its recognition being the use of the 
name Macedonia, I can't understand how the sport reporters will
inform their countries that these athletes are coming from Macedonia
and not simply from the ex-Yugoslavia.


>BEST OF LUCK, MACEDONIANS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL BE WITH YOU
               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You can be sure of one thing :
Macedonians from Greece and Greek Macedonians from all over the world 
will be with the Greek athletes.

--r.
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From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Subject: Re: SWIMQUALIFIED: M's 400m Freestyle Final
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:20:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.222305.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:

>   Men's 400 metres freestyle final qualifiers:
> 1.  Kieren Perkins (Australia)          3 minutes 49.24 seconds
> 2.  Evgeny Sadovyi (CIS)                           3:49.37
> 3.  Anders Holmertz (Sweden)                       3:49.95
> 4.  Stefan Pfeiffer (Germany)                      3:49.99
> 5.  Danyon Loader (New Zealand)                    3:50.05
> 6.  Ian Brown (Australia)                          3:50.12
> 7.  Sebastian Wiese (Germany)                      3:50.73
> 8.  Artur Wojdat (Poland)                          3:51.66

Gee, anyone care to bet that this event will be shown in the NBC
coverage? I think not...
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Subject: Re: Why only One British team
From: liu10@husc8.harvard.edu (Eric Liu)
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:45:25 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

I don't know about rugby or other sport, but in football(soccer in the U.S.),
the only reason they have 4 representatives in FIFA is because football is
invented in the U.K. (I don't know which of the 4 parts) and their football
association are a lot older.  When FIFA was found, it agreed with the 4 
U.K. football associations to allow all of them to become members.  However, 
I believe this tradition is going to end with the 1998 World Cup.  Then, the
U.K.  will be represented by a joint team from England, Scotland, Wales and
Northen Ireland (that is if that team qualifies :-)).  By then, in all respect,
the U.K. will be represented as one, just like the one seat they hold in the
U.N..

Hope that information help!

-- 

Eric Liu
liu10@husc.harvard.edu

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From: ayrjola@hut.fi (Ari Yrjl)
Subject: Re: Codes for Countries
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:49:11

In article <9220921.20755@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

> Can someone please post the codes for all (or most) of the countries?
> Like, AUS is Australia, USA is USA, CHN is China, etc.... but there
> are some codes which I don't understand, like HON, which is what?

You're not the only one confused with all those codes; Eurosport
english commentators talked about Libyan swimmer Sunday and then
thought he was from Liberia...actually he was from Lebanon (his
country code was LIB). In result list they show flag too,
that's where I could identify  his real home country...another
swimmer was thought to be from Solomon Islands when his code
was SLO. Well, that should have been easier case, it's Slovenia
as anybody watching ski jumping during Winter Olympics should know :)

I'll include here an article containing official ISO standard
country codes. Seems that they are not using those codes in
TV, as for example real code for Lebanon isn't LIB but LBN.
I guess that HON means Honduras, but it isn't correct code
either, it should be HND. Some country codes are of course missing
from this list, as those countries haven't been independent
when this list was made. Some that I know of are

EST	Estonia
LAT	Latvia
LIT	Lithuania
SLO	Slovenia
CRO	Croatia

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From noam@ooc.uva.nl Sat Feb  1 01:40:36 1992
From: wouter@cwi.nl (Wouter Mettrop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: SOCCER: Results Pool B
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:12:10 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

# = number of matches played
W = won
D = draw
L = lost
P = points
F = goals for
A = goals against


Group B
=======

Ghana - Australia  3-1
Denmark - Mexico  1-1

Mexico - Australia  1-1
20.  Arambasic 0-1
62.  Castaneda 1-1
Yellow cards: Rangel, Macias (Mex), Refenes, Mori (Aus).

Ghana - Denmark  0-0
Yellow card: Acheampong (Gha).


                 # W D L  P   F A
                 ================
Ghana            2 1 1 0  3   3-1
Mexico           2 0 2 0  2   2-2
Denmark          2 0 2 0  2   1-1
Australia        2 0 1 1  0   2-4

remaining matches:

30-7   Mexico - Ghana
30-7   Denmark - Australia
From: eswaran3372@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: BADMINTON NEWS
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:24:19 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hi Netters,

        Can any of you post the results of the Olympic Badminton games?

Thanks in advance.


Sasi M. Eswaran          Internet Address : ESWARAN3372@ISCSVAX.UNI.EDU