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From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Subject: Re: EVR - Part II (Atheism)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:19:26 GMT


In article <Bt37rv.6zp@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes...
>in general.  These viri are only beneficial to a small proportion of India's
>population, the descendends of Vedic ritual performers commonly called the
>Bramins. These Vedic rituals involves the slaughter of cows, horses and
> 
>Meenan Vishnu
I think this is outrageous

Here comes one  more b-bashing from m-vishnu. Brahmins benifit from viri! I
think you should study medicine. What about HIV virus? does it benifit brahmins
more than others?

some body told me (kathiravan krishnamoothy) told me that brahminism is not
brahmins. May be he could throw some light on this.

RT
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From: sramacha@skat.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.kerala
Subject: I HATE TAMILS
Date: 12 Aug 1992 16:26:43 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu


"I hate Tamils. I *really* *HATE* Tamils"


This string is present in the sub-conscious memory locations of most non-Tamilians
I've known. Civility prevents these people from expressing the above feeling
overtly, but the point is that this feeling _is_ there. Tamils, aka "Madrasis"
are, IMHO, the most hated sect/group/community in India. 

In the North, we are the objects of ridicule. Comedians in movies imitating us
evoke loud guffaws. In Bombay, the hate-tamil-syndrome gave birth to the
Shiv Sena (correct me if I'm wrong). In Karnataka, we've fallen in grace. 
I remember the days when Kannadigas had a lot of respect for Tamils and things 
Tamil. But now, there is open hate. 

Not just in India. I am told the same is true in Singapore. Not to mention 
Sri Lanka. Here, in the US, an American friend asked me, in all seriousness, 
if TN was a land of fanatics.

Why ? If 8 out of 10 (figuratively)  people have reasons to hate us, then there 
must be something wrong somewhere (within us?). 

I sincerely hope this leads to an introspective discussion, and a chance to
correct ourselves (in case we're wrong).

Non-Tamils, do send your why-i-hate-tamils / why-i-like-tamils list. I'll post
a summary.


Sudarshan.


P.S. 

Senseless flames will be either ignored or redirected to /dev/null.
Strong flames will be referred  to firemarshall@los-angeles
All other flames will be suitably extinguished.

Send all bouquets and brickbats to ramachan@usc.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: vattArach choRkal
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:32:46 GMT


 Terms used commonly in different regions for some words:

(1) For frying pan:
    Chidambaram - vAnali
    Chennai     - kAdAi
    Karaikudi   - iruppuch chatti
(2) For vessel:
    Chidambram - yEnam
    Chennai    - pAththiram
    Karaikudi  - chatti
(3) For broomstick:
    Chidambaram - vilakkumAru
    Chennai     - dhudappam
    Karaikudi   - mulakkAru (?)
    MuthupEttai - vArvOl
(4) For soap:
    Chidamabaram - savukkArakkatti

Anybody out there who can write for other regions for these words and other
words?

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From: sdarbha@ho04.eng.ua.edu (Subrahmanyam Darbha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian
Subject: looking for Ramji
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:58:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa

I am looking for Ramji from Andhra univ,Visakhapatnam
He has joined Civil Engg dept in  Florida state univ at Tallahassee.
Any help is highly appreciated.
Thanks much

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From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Tamil Names - A request
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:06:18 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <govender.714144674@shannon> govender@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Govender) writes:
>
>probably be anglicized to "cameron". my own name is "mogamberry" and has
>been anglicized to "morgan".can anyone enlighten me as to the meaning
>or origin of the name "mogamberry"?
>
>mogamberry (morgan) govender
>govender@shannon.ee.wits.za 

	This name 'mogamberry' sounds close to 'mOganapuri'. There was a
	school teacher in my villgage whose name is 'mOganapuri mudhaliyaar'
	and was called 'mOgaambary vaaththiyaar'.

Thanks
M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
From: crathina@ritchie.uwaterloo.ca (C Rathinavelu)
Subject: Kirubananda Warrior Vuraiyilirundhu Koncham ...
Originator: crathina@ritchie.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 03:44:29 GMT


Don't ...
---------

  "Moottai poochiyaip poll pirarai thunpuruthi vazhathae"

   "Yeliyaip poll thirudhi vayitrai valarkkathae"

   "Karayann poll pirar porulaik kaiyaandhu maghizhathae"


Do ...
------

   "Thaniyaip polla, Erumbaip polla, vuzhaithu vunn, adu
    anbaith tharum."

    
                   By Ultimate Warrior (not WWF-superstar)

Sindhanaikku,
C.Rathinavelu


"All the results of research on a language cannot be used
for another language" - M.C.R.
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Reservation for temple priests
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:10:51 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug18.125338.17216@ms.uky.edu>, aras@ms.uky.edu (P. I. Arasu) writes...
>	In reply to RT's post:
>	From your posts I gather you are miffed at brahmins being 
>	affected by reservations. Fact is previously 96% of the 
>	population was complaining about being left out. Today 
>	every body is. 
>	In my class of 40 there were 5 brahmin students (I studied
>	in govt engg college). So 4% of the population still enjoyed
>	much more than 4% of the seats. So you talk as if brahmins 
>	are completely excluded. That is bulls**t!

	If there are no reservations the number of brahmins in your class might
have been more than 5. (same for  other forward caste people)
Let me ask you this, since brahmins are only 4% of the total population do you
want to reserve only 4% in all fields?

Here is an example how the system works here
In one of the univ here there were more than 30% students of Indian origin in CS
dept. Someone complained that they take too many indians. But the univ replied
back saying that they select on merit and they don't care about nationality.

What do you say to this?

You want to reserve seats here also?

> 	You are the ones who say reservation is unethical. So it is
>	your responsibility to practice what you preach.
>	Marriamman temple priests are not priests. They are caretakers.
>	They usally are volunteers from local villages who have some
>	other full time jobs. They do not sing any praises of God.
>	They have no money or power. And they do not have fat tummies.
>	-arasu
>	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rammohan@nunki.usc.edu (Karthikeyan Rammohan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Please be accurate to avoid flame wars.
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:06:28 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu

In article <Bt7Hsz.BLx@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu) writes:
 >
>I happened to know the person whom you are reffering to as "you" in
>your above article.  He is not from Madras city, nevertheless he 
>came to Canada on a prestigious scholarship and finished his masters
>degree in the minimum time possible and is now doing his PhD programme.
>
>My former roommate (an Orissan, presently in Concordia U) is also
>a villager who did excellent work at this university and completed
>his masters with flying colours.
>
>This compares to some of the Madras students, who either failed their
>PhD comprehensive or who took almost 6 years to complete them at this
>institute.
>
>Meenan Vishnu

	This above reply truly shows how brain dead you are.I at no
point in my previous reply said anything about Madras students.I
agree, that all people who come thru the back door(that is B.C or
O.B.C) quota do spend 6 years to complete even there bachelors degree.
Maybe all LTTE  people are brain dead , just like you.Hardly
surprising. 
For people like Meenan, animal sacrifice is wrong, but killing animals
to satisfy his own hunger is right.Offcourse it is right, since it is
a for a noble cause, i.e'satisfying his hunger".

Animal sacrifice is wrong, but killing innocent people is right,
why, because it is for a noble cause,viz. a separate homeland.


Also Mr.meenan, i was referring to the same "you" your dear friend
wrote in his previous article.I also am here on a prestigious
scholarship, i too finished my Master's in a year(that is considered
quick) and i too am progressing towards my Ph.D. 
	At no point in my previous article did i mention that it was
directed towards students from madras city.so please think(if at all
you have that ability) or ask some senior members to write a reply to
this article saying that "meenan is right.In this article ......." .

rammohan
From: sundar+@cs.cmu.edu (Sundar Vallinayagam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Aaaaa....Rambam :- It's kadi time
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:13:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BtCo6K.8JJ.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

One more 'kadi' kuRal that my Tamil teacher used to say:

        Tie katti vAzhvARE vAzhvar matRellAm
        Kai katti pinselbavar.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: tamilnadu pOkkuvaraththuk kazhagangal
Keywords: TPTC,MPTC,CTC,NTC,PTC etc
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:10:53 GMT

In <1992Aug18.024035.28047@wuecl.wustl.edu> bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN) writes:

>In article <Bt5JDD.3uK@nntp-sc.Intel.COM> rkrithiv@pima.intel.com (Ramamurthy Krithivas) writes:
>>
>>> Are kamarAj, rAjaji names used for any transport corporations?
>>> If not, why? And how they are inferior compared to pattukOttai
>>> azhagiri?
>>
>> What "tamizh thondu" did Rajaji and Kamaraj do ?


>Apart from his kulak kalvi thittam for the Tamils when he was the CM of TN,
>Rajaji had done a lot of translation works for Thamil literature.
>Even Rajaji's kulak kalvi thittam was forgotten by some kind souls..
>they have a Rajaji Hall in Madras (Govt. property)!!. And many others with
>his name....


   rajaaji has a hall. That is more than enough  for his
kulak kalvi bulllllllll.

>>
>>   ----> Did they cut off the poonol/kudumi of Brahmins ?
>>   ----> Did they harass brahmins/brahminism"-)" ? 

>It is just that they should not try in any way (a la kulak kalvi) to
>suppress the fellow citizens in the name of hierarchy of castes.

>>         
>> Dammit (do not get mad my friend, Kirti it is sad, bad as well), with no proper "credentials" how can a transport organization 
>> be named after them ??? 
>>
>> [Janakaraj Mode]

>Apart from talking about kurumbu's... the fact now in TN is that you just
>need to be a well wisher of the rulers. This alone is sufficient for some
>one to become famous.

>S_Bala

    sangat thamizhukku murugan
    intha valaikku balan
    anRu vEl yeduthaan vElan
    inRu sol yeduthaai saami 
    min(electronic) alaikalai ampaaka vidukiRaai 
   Damnnitttt! yendRu  un nanbarkaL kOpapadukiRaarkaL
     avarkaL manam aaRa aaRumuga balanae! 
    neO! point pointaaka pozhikindRaai
    vaalzhga veerath tamizhaa! 

  KK 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: jsg9939@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Sreedhar )
Subject: Re: Reservation for temple priests
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:02:20 GMT

aras@ms.uky.edu (P. I. Arasu) writes:

>	In reply to RT's post:
>	From your posts I gather you are miffed at brahmins being 
>	affected by reservations. Fact is previously 96% of the 
>	population was complaining about being left out. Today 
>	every body is. 
>	In my class of 40 there were 5 brahmin students (I studied
>	in govt engg college). So 4% of the population still enjoyed
>	much more than 4% of the seats. So you talk as if brahmins 
>	are completely excluded. That is bulls**t!
> 	You are the ones who say reservation is unethical. So it is
>	your responsibility to practice what you preach.
>	Marriamman temple priests are not priests. They are caretakers.
>	They usally are volunteers from local villages who have some
>	other full time jobs. They do not sing any praises of God.
>	They have no money or power. And they do not have fat tummies.
>	-arasu
>	

Dear Arasu,
  You seem to be outraged that 12.5% of your Govt. Engg. College class
  was Brahmin. Did they get in by reservation? Or influence, or money-
  power? Or pure merit?!!

  Would it make you  happy if Brahmins are not allowed more than 4% of all the
  water, or 4% of the total agricultural output, or 4% of the tickets
  in a bus/train! 
  Perhaps you will not take your ailing children to Brahmin doctors more than 4% 
  of the time, even if they are skilful.
  Why not extend reservation to everything on earth? And heaven!

  Sincerely, I think it has become fashionable to support reservation blindly
  without any thought as to its original (intended) purpose. Doesn't talent 
  or merit count for anything? 

  The rest of your posting doesn't even merit a reply. However, in a previous
  posting, you had made a sensible statement:

 `Any qualified person should be allowed to be a Temple priest
	 irrespective of caste.'

   I wholly agree.

Sreedhar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: EVR - Part II (Atheism)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:01:40 GMT

In article <92230.104050IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> T.C.A.Venkatesan <IO92395@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>In article <Bt37rv.6zp@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m
>vishnu) says:
>>
>>
>>>NEITHER KRISHNA NOR THE VEDAS PREACHED UNTOUCHABILITY.  These
>>
>>Have you read the Purusha-suktha or Manu's code ?  (FYI Even the BG uses
>>the word candala)
>>
>
>    Could some netter enlighten me on this - Do Purusha-suktha/Manu's
>work etc. come under the Vedas? Or are they separate works? If they
>are part of the Vedas, which one do they belong to?
>
>Thanks,
>Venky.
>

The purusha-suktha is a famous hymn from the 10th mandala of the Rig Veda.
Manu Samhitha is not part of Vedas.

Aside:  Many Skt. scholars are of the opinion that Purusha-suktha is of
much later origin (as late as 8th century AD) and interpolated into
the Vedas.  Their conclusion is based on the observation of style in
composition.  For instance, the word, sudra, vaisya are used only in this
hymn in the entire 4 vedas !

Meenan Vishnu
>
>*************************************************************************
> T.C.A. Venkatesan                Bitnet  : IO92395@maine


Meenan Vishnu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: A THREAT from a boneless tiger in the net
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:07:59 GMT

       What has happened in the net is because Mr. Vishnu happens to
say some history of struggle in TN all the anti-Tamizh guys come
and call some body "brain dead" and use coarse language. It may not to be
you. But there are some guys who don't know ABCD's of good conduct,
who attack a person because they cannot argue with him decently.

 KK
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Self-immolation joke
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:25:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine


	A conversation near a tea stall.

	oruvar: en thalaivanai kaidhu ceydhaal "thee kuLippen" nu conniyE
                ippo inga nikkirE

	maRRavar: naan "tea kudippEn" nu thaan connEn.

	
	(don't remember the source, but it will be good if the trend changes
	like this).  

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
From: bkannan@ha06.eng.ua.edu (Balaji Kannan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: History and J.J.
Date: 21 Aug 1992 23:15:09 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu




       Raghavan,

       Family doctors have this strange habit of calling
       everything a genetic disorder or trace it to one. 
       Particularly when they are unequal to the task of 
       diagnosing the disease.
      
                 Some other traits:

                   1) refer outdated books
                   2) sermonize at inappropriate times
                   3) advocate surgery when/where there is no need
                      for one.
                   4) Love[Irrational and compulsive] of Histology :-)
 
        So, watch out.
     
        anbudan,
        BK  
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu)
Subject: Poem on caste wars on the net
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:16:21 GMT

This poem is written in the same style as
'pidiyathan uruvamai koLamiku...'
posetd by Vicky. 

The poem addresses Su-brahman-ya, who married Valli, a tribal.

Here we go,

MaRaiyinai pidithavar malaiyinum uyarvena
paRaiyinai pidithavar palarinum kuRaivenaa
uraithathu kuRamagal iRaivanO?  madayarO?
muRaiyidum enadhidar tholaithidu Murugoy!


BTW, will some knowledgeable netter let me know if
this is Asiriyappa or Kalippa? I only know that
it is not veNpa. Note that it uses only 
'karuviLam' 'chIr', except the last word.
Can someone post the different yAppilakkanams?

Thanks,
Suresh [ the part-time poet ] babu

engaL vAzhvum engal vaLamum mangadha thamizh enRu changE muzhangu.
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From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.indian
Subject: State Flags of Indian Union
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:50:02 GMT
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Originator: srini@acr

In article <41214@ogicse.ogi.edu> partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes:
>
>	Do states in India have flags (similar to that in the US)?
>I was just wondering. If all states had their respective flags
>and birds and animals, it will add more color to our union.
>If this is not in practice at the moment, let me guess what
>flag symbols some states should have (Make your choice..) 
>
>Partha sarathy	

I think it is considered illegal to talk of state flags in India. One
could be jailed for that. Actually, for a short while, TN had its own
flag (1966-67) I think, which flew on government offices. It contained
a 'gopuram' of a 'Temple'. It probably was not 'secular' enough.
The central government took action, and it eventually dissappeared.

In north america, every state and province have their flags. Even
many organizations have their flags. In Quebec government offices,
only Quebec flag is displayed prominantly. The Canada flag,
if at all, is put at a lower position. Our company keeps a set
of flags from all over the world. It displays the Quebec flag plus,
the flag of the distinquished visitor of the day (at same size).

K. Srinivasan  srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: A THREAT from a boneless tiger in the net
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:30:41 GMT

In <Bt9LA1.KLq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jsg9939@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Sreedhar ) writes:

>thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT) writes:


>>I received the following threat from one spineless tiger in the net who does
>>not have guts to post his view in the net and sent me e-mail


>>==============================================================================

>>From:   "LTTE@surya.waterloo.edu" 19-AUG-1992 12:07:34.52

>>LTTE will kill all the Brahmins.



>This is simply outrageous. And cause for serious concern. 
>All right-thinking people should condemn such atrocities.

>Has the guy come to waterloo for education or for terrorism?!
>If such things continue, we must notify the university and the
>police.

>-Sreedhar
    Mr. Vishnu is a very well respected person in Waterloo.
He is a A+ student doing PhD.
Who is a terrorist?

 guy who faked the mail. police, Indian police will
do the best job.
Call area code 011-91-44-9111111111111111111111.

Indian police has a special task force that comes
to Purdue to help people who are scared at thier own
will and pleasure.

KK

. 

KK
From: Venkatachalam Aruna (Affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: reply to venkat's mail
Keywords: WHICH VENKAT?
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:37:52 GMT
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston

In article <kat.714507850@sarek> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)  
writes:
> 
> [stuff deleted]
 There are lots of Venkats here in US. I'll be happy to know which 
Venkat you're referring. Always it's better to include e-mail address
to avoid confusion and also to prove genuineness of the e-mail.

Cheers,
Venkat
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From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: A threat from....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:51:47 GMT

In article <weYwdd600VB=A8ofcK@andrew.cmu.edu> ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:
>
>I read with interest the article on Abdul Kalam, India's
>foremost rocket scientist, on S.C.T.
>
>I just wanted to ask: how many of you know that the Space
>Center in Trivandrum (where the satellite launchers are
>built) was one of the targets that the LTTE threatened ?
>
>Technology development and terrorism don't go together.
>You can have an Abdul Kalam or the LTTE, not both.
>
>-arun gupta
>ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu

	What kind of technology you are talking?. The technology in which
	Abdul Kalam is involved is nothing different from LTTE's kind. 
	After all his products are going to be used to target Pakistan and
	terrorise Pakistanis. Any way we have different a name for state
	terrorism.

	Remember, Enrico Fermi's statement on nuclear bomb: "why see the
	destruction, see the beauty of physics".

	Now Kalam would quote Geetha and become a most respected patriot.
	
	Your comparison is not a right one.

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu