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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: Top 5 NBA Centers
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:16:59 GMT

In article <1k6rrcINNt05@transfer.stratus.com> halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.191352.16036@cheshire.oxy.edu>, tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>>
>>      So, as with all stats, Asst/TO for centers has to be taken with
>> a grain of salt.  In particular, I think low post centers who get
>> the ball a lot are just plain going to have a lot of turnovers, due
>> to the stuff mentioned above.
>>      High post centers, conversely, will end up looking artificially
>> good in the Asst/TO department.  Standing 20-25 feet from the basket,
>> with little defensive pressure, they're not going to lose as many TOs.
>
>	Also consider that a 'high-post' player is in a better position to make
>a pass which could result in an assist. They are out away from the hoop, usually
>facing up, with a good view of any potential cutters or back-door moves.
>
>	Where as a 'low-post' player could be making lots of good passes out of
>the post that don't result in assists. The classic example these days is to
>make the pass down into the post, wait for the double-team to develop, kick the
>ball back out and swing it to the weak side for a wide open jumper. The play is
>started by a well timed pass by the low post player, but he never gets an assist
>for it.
>
>	So the low post player has more turnover oportunities and fewer assist
>oportunities!!!

    Yeah, true.  And I think the ball rotation example is a good one, 
because teams in the 1990s have, IMO, become more adept at that kind of
ball movement.  Used to be, you'd only see the Celtics and Lakers and
maybe a few other teams (76ers? Nuggets?) move the ball around that
much.  Nowadays, even the Kings and Clippers will make one or two
extra passes.
     And so, the "original passer" won't get an assist.
     Maybe the NBA should do what the NHL (and soccer too?) does:  give
more than 1 assist for a basket.  Of course, this would be another example
of how statistics can inflate over time.
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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re:  Trivia question
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA.  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:39:29 GMT


In article <21202@ksr.com>, dorin@ksr.com (Bob Dorin) writes:

>I already sent my answers but I theorized that Jerry Lucas of
>Ohio State was the college POTY wearing #32,  He wore #32 as
>a Knick.  Or did he play in some other bizarre league.  My
>NBA Guide lists Lucas as OSU '62 but his first NBA year (Cincy)
>as 63-64.

      Jerry Lucas was a good idea.  I stand corrected!  The ABL
DID exist in 1962-63.  I don't know who the MVP was.
      Jerry Lucas was a good guess, but it wasn't him.  He signed
with the Cleveland Pipers, who folded before the season started,
leaving Lucas completely out of pro basketball during 1962-3.
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From: byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau)
Subject: Ben's Trivia
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:36:58 GMT

alright folks, I just thought I'd try.. I don't think these are too hard.


#1:
What were the circumstances surrounding this quote (parts left out so as not
to make it too obvious):

Terry Kofler: "I'll have to say that ....team, they showed remarkable unity...
To a man, they stood there naked from the waist down and scratched in unison."
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#2
Who is said to have blocked three Charles Barkley-ferocious-in-your-face
dunks in one game?
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#3:
Who was the first ABA player to jump to the NBA?
What memorable event did he cause in 1968, about 8 years ahead of its time?

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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Ben's Trivia
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:33:05 GMT

In article <C19t2J.Eq5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>Good guess.. not Manute Bol.  The blocker IS a former sixer, though.
>>The Sixers' oppenents were the Lakers I believe.
>
>	Hmm... that's interesting -- a former Laker and Sixer.  My guess
>	(although it seems outrageous):
>
>	Bob McAdoo?
>
>	Yeah, go ahead laugh on.  I just can't think of a better name for
>	a former Sixer and Laker right now.

Didn't Steve Mix play with the Lakers briefly at the end of his career?
Or am I hallucinating again?
From: myro@srfrogs.Corp.Sun.COM (Michael Meyers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Some Warriors jokes
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:40:19 GMT
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Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 16893@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
->>[...] earthquakes and Warriors first round playoff losses have [...]
->>Both are relatively frequent Bay Area occurrences 
->
->In their recent incarnation, the Warriors reached the playoff four
->times:  in 1987, 89, 91 and 92.  The first three times they *won*
->in the first round, upsetting a higher ranked opponent (Utah, Utah,
->San Anton.)  Last year was the first time they lost in the first round
->of the playoffs since 1972.
->
->I wish that earthquakes were that rare!
->
->--Gidi
->
->

Gidi:

You need to get some outside interests....this statistics thing is getting a bit out of
hand, don't you think? Have you considered dating?

Anyway.....you seem to be looking at the last four trips to the playoffs that the warriors
made. Did you consider looking any further? I would be interested to see how the 
warriors have done in all first round playoff series. Why not look at the last 4 days 
for bay area earthquakes...makes about as much sence.....

So, please let us all know what the Warriors first round playoff record is, but don't limit 
us to stats that help your argument.  Who knows maybe the whole picture will still 
support your argument?????

Mike
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Spurs-Sonics
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:43:05 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: Spurs, Sonics

Last night in the Seattle Center Coliseum, the San Antonio
Spurs buried the Supersonics 119-99 to extend their club-record
winning streak to 10 games. It was the Spurs' 16th win in their
last 18 games, and they are 15-2 under Coach John Lucas. 
By constrast, the Sonics lost in the Coliseum for the first
time this year, after opening the season with 15 consecutive
wins there. Coupled with Utah's 107-97 loss to the Los Angeles
Clippers, the win propelled the Spurs into first place in
the Midwest Division. The Spurs' next game is Friday in Phoenix;
they then return to San Antonio for a 7-game homestand.

The margin could have been greater. The Sonics were helped by
21-25 free throw shooting and by a second-quarter streak from Eddie Johnson
that kept the game within reach at halftime (63-50). As
a team, the Spurs shot 55% (despite a combined 6-26 showing
from Avery Johnson and David Robinson) and outrebounded
the Sonics 48-43. The Sonics shot 40%.

Despite his 5-18 shooting (1-13 through three quarters),
David Robinson was the dominant player on the floor last
night. Besides blocking seven shots, he forced any number
of shot alterations, and by the second half the Sonics
were very reluctant to take the ball inside. (They even
dribbled out a couple of offensive rebounds.) It was simply
a dominating performance defensively by Robinson. 

Offensively, the Sonics focused so much on defending Robinson
that they conceded the perimeter to Dale Ellis (10-14, 22 pts),
Lloyd Daniels (5-6, 11 points) and Vinnie Del Negro (4-7, 8 pts).
The Spurs also posted Antoine Carr (7-10, 15 pts) and (especially
effectively) J. R. Reid (9-11, 24 pts). Sean Elliott had a 
quitely effective game on both offense (6-9, 14 pts, 5 reb,
4 assts) and defense (he held Derrick McKey 5-12 shooting and 
helped out against Ricky Pierce, who shot 5-17). The Sonics
attempted to go with a smaller lineup in the second, but the
Spurs responded by posting Reid and Carr mercilessly (Vincent
Askew cannot guard J. R. Reid).

It was an impressive display of team basketball. Besides the 
distributed offense (six players in double figures), the 
Spurs dished 30 assists to collect their 48 baskets. On defense,
the team challenged almost every shot and harrassed the ball
constantly.                                                

There were some down sides, chief among them the 17 turnovers
and Avery Johnson's complete lack of a shot. On the other hand,
you have to give John Lucas credit for full utilization of 
the players on this team, and you have to be impressed with
their depth. Heck, Willie Anderson and Terry Cummings *still*
haven't played a minute this season. Hey, this might turn out
to be a pretty good basketball team. 

Paul
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: If draft were today .... ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:31:52 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

jcoryell@nwu.edu writes:
>1. Chris Webber, Michigan
>2. Anfernee Hardaway, Memphis State
>3. Jamal Mashburn, Kentucky
>4. Calbert Cheaney, Indiana (actually, these two are too close to call)
>5. Bobby Hurley, Duke (the pro-Hurley hype is relentless)
>6. Grant Hill, Duke
>7. Allan Houston, Tennessee

>Beyond that, I've no idea, though I see Montross going when the first
>team decides it has center as top priority, Jim Jackson going when a
>team finally gets the nerve to draft him, Harper Williams because of
>his versatility, Luscious Davis of Long Beach State going ahead of
>his former high school teammate Adonis Jordan (whom he just upstaged
>in LBS's upset victory), and Acie Earl somewhere soon after.

	OK... hold on here.  As if these athletes didn't have enough
	pressure in their lives already -- now we all go and throw them
	into the pros.  All of Webber, Hardaway, Mashburn, Montross, and
	G.Hill are all << underclassmen >>.  None (except maybe Mashburn)
	have really indicated which direction they are heading.  G. Hill
	has already stated strongly that he will remain at Duke.  Please,
	let's let these guys make up their own minds before we send them off
	onto the NBA.

	Jazzy J

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From: exby@spot.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby)
Subject: Re: BLAZER SEX SCANDAL
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:07:21 GMT

jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:

>The local news stations in Salt Lake City are reporting tonight that some 
>Portland Trailblazers have been connected with the sexual abuse of some 
>local teenage girls in their hotel during their recent stay here. They didnt 
>say which team members were involved, only that there is an investigation 
>going on.

good night irene - you would think the blazers could pick a
town with more nightlife and excitement that slc if they were
gonna party!  ahh well.. at least they played well enough to
beat the jazz on sunday.  hey thats right - Sunday night this happened?
shouldn't all those girls have been in temple?  ;-)

>MORE TO COME!

pun intended or not?

>Jeff Jonsson

::j
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Some Warriors jokes
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:14:50 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1327@pascal.einstein.eds.com> jepperso@einstein.eds.com (Brian Jepperson) writes:
>If you have a problem with his statistics why don't you counter them with
>some of your own?  Or I guess you would just rather throw around personal
>insults than actually say something even partially intellegent.

COme on Brian, one of the first laws of usenet is if your argument is weak,
rather than pad it with worthless stats, just make personal attacks and
insults against the person you are "arguing" with. In a long debate between
2 posters, you can always tell who is in trouble, the person who swears or
name calls first is usually losing.

Fortunately I suspect Gidi is not going to care if one person dislikes his
use of stats when (IMHO) the vast majority of us happen to enjoy Gidis 
posts stats and all.




Russ Smith
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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 27 Jan 1993 16:27:33 MST
From: <ICJPS@ASUACAD.BITNET>
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Subject: Re: BLAZER SEX SCANDAL
 <jjonsson.349@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> <8487@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>

Phoenix TV/Radio has had nothing about this, but WGN reported it last
night on Da Bulls pre-game show.  I wonder if it is another hoax
a' la the Drexler broken leg rumor last year?
From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Pacific division dominates
Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:58:09 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
 INTER-DIVISIONAL RECORDS:
                      Pacific   Central   Atlantic  Midwest   
 Pacific (107-61)     ----      25-24     30-18     52-19     
 Central (92-87)      24-25     ----      49-41     19-21     
 Atlantic (78-94)     18-30     41-49     ----      19-15     
 Midwest (55-90)      19-52     21-19     15-19     ----      


 HOME RECORDS:
                      Pacific   Central   Atlantic  Midwest   
 Pacific (57-23)      ----      13-10     19-6      25-7      
 Central (57-35)      14-12     ----      30-17     13-6      
 Atlantic (48-38)     12-11     24-19     ----      12-8      
 Midwest (34-40)      12-27     15-6      7-7       ----      


 ROAD RECORDS:
                      Pacific   Central   Atlantic  Midwest   
 Pacific (50-38)      ----      12-14     11-12     27-12     
 Central (35-52)      10-13     ----      19-24     6-15      
 Atlantic (30-56)     6-19      17-30     ----      7-7       
 Midwest (21-50)      7-25      6-13      8-12      ----      

These stats seem to bear out the notion that the Pacific records are indeed
inflated by being able to play the weak Midwest.  The Pacific and Central are
almost even head-to-head, and the difference in their records is due almost
entirely to the Midwest component.
-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
From: donald@dswalker.EBay.Sun.COM (Don Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: If draft were today .... ?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:59:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Where would JJ fall.

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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: Pacific division dominates
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Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:26:13 GMT

In article <C1FMqr.Fqz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pkeenan@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Patricia Keenan) writes:
>bunky@milton.u.washington.edu (Mike) writes:
>
>     Playing Dallas and Minnesot 4 or 5 times a year will do that...

Actually, they're not in the same division, so they play them what, 3-4
times (only 1-2 more than anyone out East).

The scary thing about the Pacific is that everyone except the Kings has
been over .500 most the season - and 3 of them are over .700.   That's
pretty hard to do considering they have to play each other 5 times
apiece.  Someone last season posted the inter-division records and
the Pacific had a signifigant winning percentage against every other
division.  With the improvement of the Suns and Seattle, I can't
imagine it would be worse this year.
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koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu		Computer Science Department
From: alam@ee.rochester.edu (Sheikh Kaisar Alam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Top 5 NBA Centers
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:14:58 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1k121sINNl4v@male.EBay.Sun.COM> donald@dswalker.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>I am a fan who has every right to express an opinion. FYI, I am a Knick fan
>and a Ewing fan; I just feel that Patrick is in the habit of making
>bad decisions down the stretch. You have a right to disagree and express so.
>
After Riley came to NYC, Ewing had decreased his bad shot selec-
tion, though it is still a bit high for a center of his caliber.
However, he has almost recovered from his leg injury, and is
playing quite well now. When he plays smartly, only Robinson can
match him among the centers (no, not Shaq). But, Robinson is
probably the best center in the league, anyway.
Kaisar
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lefty's who play right handed <was Re: left handed teams>
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:00:02 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1993Jan21.204110.15412@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>In article <timlin.727643973@spot.Colorado.EDU> timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin) writes:
>>I've always been fascinated by people like this (also Andre Dawson in 
>>baseball) because I am right handed, but only because my dad din't believe
>>in left handedness.
>>
>>Add anyone you know about.
>
>    Well, I write and do just about everything else left-handed, but 
>in sports I throw, catch, etc. right-handed.  
>     Oh, you meant NBA players...never mind.

Well its way off the NBA topic but what the hell. Mike Timlin mentioned his
dad apparently made him be right handed when he is really a lefty, and in
fact this is/was quite common. One interesting thing is a study of people
who stutter revealed that a surprisingly high percentage of them when
tested were "natural" lefties who were using their right hand instead.
Apparently they too were made to be righties as children and one of the
side effects of this was apparently stuttering. One of my best friends
is a stutterer who fits this to a T. Shoots right handed, writes right
handed, but can do everything lefty as well.

Moral of the story, let your kids be a lefty if they are so inclined.




Russ Smith
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From: neuharth@shelley.u.washington.edu (John Neuharth)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE sea34por34.17jan93 Portland 109 Seattle 97
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:44:10 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <tketchum-210193081934@tketchum.uoregon.edu> tketchum@oregon.uoregon.edu (Tim T Ketchum) writes:
>In article <1jlgtaINNg7q@shelley.u.washington.edu>,
>neuharth@shelley.u.washington.edu (John Neuharth) wrote:
>> 
>> In article <1993Jan20.213441.1926@tc.fluke.COM> mark@tc.fluke.COM (Mark D. Nagel) writes:
>> >In <{y#@byu.edu> jhak@sofya.math.byu.edu (Justin Hakanson) writes:
>> >
>> >>This second T on Kersey was a terrible call!  Kersey and Kemp hustled down
>> >
>> >Being a Sonics fan even I have to agree on this one. I thought that there
>> >might have been a foul on the original reach-in by Kersey, but he didn't
>> >intentionally drop Kemp to the floor. I don't think that the game could
>> >have been more poorly officiated. Call the real fouls instead of constantly
>> >calling make-up fouls!
>> >-- 
>> 
>> You're right on...It should have been a foul on Kersey, but the technical
>> was garbage...But, what to do?  Actually, the ejection seemed to spark the
>> Blazers, and I think they went on a run after that...Anyone know the score
>> at that point in the game?
>> 
>> -John
>> 
>> neuharth@u.washington.edu
>
>Well _maybe_ a foul on Kersey (I live south of the Columbia after all :-)
>).  The Sonics were down 3.  Unfortunately, EJ (or was it Pierce?) missed
>the T,  and after the jump ball (Kemp vs Strickland!) Barros was fouled and
>missed both his FTs.  Sonics came away with nothing and the Blazers went
>wild.   (of course soon thereafter the Sonics were on the wrong side of a
>bunch of makeup technicals and the rest is history)
>
>Tim


Well, I'm from Portland, and going to school here...I was just trying to 
appease the Seattle "we don't get any calls" fans...Of course, I didn't
*really* think that Kersey fouled him...The Blazers *never* foul, do they? ;-)

-John

neuharth@u.washington.edu
From: centeno@pasadena-dc.bofa.com (R. CENTENO)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Laker/Clipper TRADE.
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:40:18 PDT
Organization: Bank America Systems Engineering, Pasadena, CA

Yesterday I was listening to KMEN sports radio (1290 am, in the Inland Empire,
California), and they reported that Jerry West and Elgin Baylor were talking
TRADE!!!!!  They reported that the Lakers are looking to trade Sam Perkins and
A.C Green to the CLippers for....Danny Manning and Ken Norman.  They,KMEN, 
seemed to think that the trade is virtually a done deal.  Of course you have 
to take this as just what it is at this point...a rumor.  

Personally, I'm not quite sure how I feel about it yet.  I would rather have
Manning than Perkins because he is younger, and I feel he is a little more 
versatile, and is definately quicker.  But Green for Norman...with Norman,
we'll get more scoring, but we will lose some on the boards.


Can anybody else state their opinions???



-Rob

p.s.  Really, this is NOT a joke.
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