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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:17:33 CST
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Re: Xmas favorites, Thumper's Xmas cheer

Mine is "Personnent Hodie", with the wonderful piano accompaniment
by Gustav Holst.  You can barely (just barely) fit "God Rest Ye
Merry, Gentlemen" into it (provided you're willing to mutilate
"God Rest Ye").  Considering the tenor of the hardcore discussion,
nobody here should stick at a little mutilation ;-)

Stella nother -- a wonderful arrangement of "Silent Night" I heard
on a tape from St. Mary's Warwick.  Don't know if this is a
homebrew arrangement or if it's by John Rutter (oh, the immensity
of my ignorance!).

Libby, who had a bad hair day on both the outside and inside of her
head, asks about music to drive out the hangover demon.  Let me
gently suggest Pigface: _Gub_, Ministry: _In Case You Didn't Feel
Like Showing Up_, Skinny Puppy: _Is It Dead Yet?_.  Turn the volume
knob to 11.  It's just like one of those raw egg things -- you need
to blast the nasties out of your skull, and those bad boys will
do the trick.  Trust me ;-)

Little Inquisitor's Evil Twin must be tortured for forgetting
that ALLMUSIC is dedicated (in addition to the names he mentioned) to
the memory yet green of Guy Lombardo, Deborah Gibson, and the Village
People.  Strangest thing -- I went to copy Renato's list into this
post and my machine refused to do it.  It made an evil noise and
flashed at me.  I think we have a new Turing test!

Marsha, have a very merry Xmas.  I (to hell with it, we) are really glad
to have you on the list.  I know I was speaking for everybody else,
who presumably have minds of their own, but go ahead and disagree!
Go 'head.  Go 'head.
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:52:36 EST
From:         WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET
Subject:      Female Bands

I do notice the lack of totally female bands, but judging by the way the
male musicians responded to a female in the band(lust/jealousy/lust/
competition/lust/more cologne), it's actually surprising that many
women still hang tuff in bands. It really isn't easy, and I don't even
have experience from the road.

In Ithaca there was/is a 5-sister female singing band named the Burns
Sisters, who recently had a couple of reunion shows (1 of which I got
to take my brothers and sisters to). I guess they made it as far as an MTV
gig in the early-mid 80's, but it seems they didn't pick the songs/styles
that would be most marketable. In a sense I applaud them, because they are
definitely NOT another Bangles. BTW I kind of liked "WAlk LIke an Egyptian"
and the Bangles ladies, but if it's a prince song, I give up......

In our own Blue Monday jam nights I'v had the privilege to play with, and
to listen to a female bass player, violin player, a couple singers, a
Really Good keyboard player, a drummer, and probably a few more I can't
recall right now. I think that in general women are breaking the rules
that we grew up with in the 60's, but it all goes slowly.

I personally don't care if a group is all-female, all-male, or even all-
homosapien. If they can play their axe/voice on the money, then they're
on the team, and welcome aboard ! And please excuse me...............

                          ...mr. mgyztoplik, ...wck...
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Subject:      Re: Album Covers

    I always liked the Iron Maiden album covers, but my favorite of
all time is still Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" cover with the two
guys shaking hands and one of 'em is on fire.  I love that picture.

-Jade

BTW: Merry Christmas!  May your stockings be filled with music!
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:12:25 EST
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Subject:      whew!

Whew lady!, that last post on punk was unbelievable ! I couldn't think of
anything positive or creative to say on the subject (I've been melancholy
and reactionary lately). But really that was really on. I've saved it so I
can read it 'much mo bettah' later. You've captured the germ of angst
which starts punk-like movements, but you've also captured the spirit-dead
decorum. Kind of like the 20's-early 30's in Germany - all decadence, lots
of satire, but nothing positive or inspiring, insightful to build on.
Sonia, keep it comin - I love it when you synch and soar.....



                                                  ....walt....
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In article <16DEC92.21065377@vax.clarku.edu> rsmall@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>The subject says it all,  Please help me to unsubscribe................................................................................

Do it yourself by the following:

Send to LISTSERV@AUVM.BITNET  (Not ALLMUSIC@AUVM.BITNET)
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But they will stop coming.

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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:51:12 PDT
From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

>tapes and 15 doller cd's.  I hate to inform you but Siouxie ain't punk, at
>least she ain't no more.  Her punkness ended when she signed her name on
>the dotted line and started exploiting, exploiting away.  God it must be

No, son, you got the wrong list. This here's ALLMUSIC; ALLWHINE-L is on the
same node as alt.rec.jagoff.

>great to be a rich "punk".  I really don't think the majority of the people
>on this list know more about punk or hardcore than myself, although if
>there is someone out there please enlighten me with your wisdom.
>

Who needs wisdom to fight stupidity? It's a mismatch. You haven't said word
one about hardcore/punk yet, you poser.

David
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  My vote for most bizarre band name is Lesbian Dopeheads On Mopeds (an
obvious play on Gaye Bikers On Acid, which is a fairly strange band name
on its own). 
  The new Praxis cover is pretty cool... looks like something fun to stare
at while dosed on psychedelic substances (not like little-ol'-PC-me would 
know about that kind of thing, y'know, but I've got these friends...). 
The music probably matches pretty well, too.

  Jeff ("n.n.")
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:53:27 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Mr Big

heard some Mr. Big last night, even though it's not my type of music and
i don't see myself sitting around listening to them on purpose, they do
have talent. Just curious why i never see them mentioned, are they not
one of the "in" groups........L.W.

Any thoughts on the new Robben Ford..any thoughts on Robben in general
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Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

>From:  IN%"ALLMUSIC@AUVM.BITNET"  "Discussions on all forms of Music" 15-DEC-19
   92 11:01:34.89
>To:    IN%"BEHR5606@SNYPLAVA.BITNET"  "Behr 5606", IN%"CRAIGHM@SNYPLAVA.BITNET"
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>Subj:  RE: punk rock stuff

>
>Who needs wisdom to fight stupidity? It's a mismatch. You haven't said word
>one about hardcore/punk yet, you poser.
>
>David


Now David has turned against me to.  I have been cast from the world of
punkdom for being a "poser."  Sorry to have troubled you all, but I think
I'll be staying.
Hmm...hardcore/punk what can I say about them that would make me less of a
poser.  The job is a hard one but I'll try my best.  I know let's talk
about shows.  I go to them whenever I can, that's pretty punk ain't it?
The last show I attended was a benefit for The Womens Rape Crisis Center in
Burlington VT on Dec 12.  Featured bands were The Champions, Epitaph, Twelve
Times Over, and Selector's Choice(a reggae band).  It was quite a good show and
it's always good to see my Vermont buddies.  Other bands I've seen:  Sick
of it All, Agnostic Front, Moral Crux, Outface, Earth Crisis, Encounter,
Framework, Up Front, Shelter, Face Value, Integrity, Slapshot, Sam Black
Church, Phleg Camp, Bad Trip, Bug Out Society, Fugazi, Quicksand, Endpoint,
Majority of One, Transcend, Matter of Fact, Gwar (though they aren't punk or har
   dcore they
are a very entertaining band live), All Fall Down, Drazel, Judge, Into
Another, Underdog, Cro-Mags, and so many other bands that I would be here
all day doing this, if I had the motivation.  I'm sorry you thought I was a
poser David, but if you would like to have a discussion I'd be more than
happy to reply.  In closing look for a record by Drazel that should be out
in a couple of months and also the Champions have a 7" out now so pick it
up if you see it.

Love to all,
ben
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Album Covers

>From: Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
>Subject: Album Covers

>wildest:    I like anything Hypgnosis does.  They're the coolest.

        Mike, I think you got the wrong tense: *did* and *were* would be bet-
ter, I'm afraid... :)
        That is - I seem to know that Hipgnosis stopped being Hipgnosis about
10 years ago more or less. Or have they revamped the whole biz, more recently?
I'd like to know.

        Ciao, Marco

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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:52:05 EST
From:         Michael <EVK102@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Digital vs. Tape vs. Vinyl

More about digital --

Frank Zappa claims that forcing music through a a/d converter filters out
all of the emotion, the subliminal feeling deep within music.  He claims
it cheapens it.  Howwever, I feel that it is important to note that
Zappa stuff still comes out on CD.

-Michael
"You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your
friend's nose"
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Marco goes to America :)

Hi all,
        well -- I think it's time to let you all know about what is (for me!)
a great news. I don't know how many of you will consider this a positive or,
on the contrary, a oh-hell-o :) thing, but some of you may have the chance to
meet me on my finally planned trip to the States.
        Just to let you know, I and Fabrizio (other half of TNR) will leave
Italy on Jan 6th. We have to stop in Utah for a couple of days (and that is
for work, more or less). We'll then go to San Francisco to finally end up in
Boston and then leave again to Italy.
        The periods of our stay are *more or less and tentatively* as follows:

San Francisco: Jan  9th (Sat) --> Jan 13th (Wed)
Boston area:   Jan 14th (Thu) --> Jan 17th (Mon)

        In case some of you may like to meet us, since it's not a trip we'll
afford every three months 8), I'd be really pleased to know - so you can e-
mail me directly. It might be the right time for a sort of reduced ALLMUSIC
reunion, maybe...

        So, write in!

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:39:08 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: just when you thought it was safe...

On Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:55:48 MST Thumper said:
>According to Libby Doe, word out on the street is that our resident old fart
>Ken Koester has been tossed in jail on his 40th birthday... the charge was
>something related to indecent exposure: he whipped out his crumhorn in
>an inappropriate public place...  :*)  This, of course, is the reason why
>he hasn't contributed a drunken birthday update yet...
>
>I hope it was worth it, Kenny baby...
>
>Birthday smooches,
>Carol
>
I blame it all on the Scotch & failing to observe my cardinal rule of *never*
drinking something younger than I am. . . well. . . hardly ever.
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:21:57 -0500
From:         mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Glass and Christmas music (not related!!! Ugh, what a thought!)

Adam writes -

>My favorite Glass ditty was Carol's post from a couple of months back:
>
>From: Maid in Bedlam <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
>Subject: a friday deep thought
>>An intense poem for your perusal:
>>
>>Minimalist Angst As Expressed By Philip Glass
>>---------------------------------------------
>>
>>:(  :(   :( :( :(  :(
>>:(  :(   :( :( :(  :(
>>:(  :(   :( :( :(  :(
>>:(   :(   :( :( :(  :(
>>
>>
>>:(  :(   :( :( :(  :(
>>:(  :(   :( :( :(  :(
>>:(  :(   :( :( :(  :(
>>:(   :(   :( :( :(  :(
>>fuck


Damn! You guys are really something, you know that? I met with my study
group for 7 hours today and I have been living Civil Procedure for days
now. I thought nothing could make me smile! Thanks, Carol and Adam. I
needed that!!!

OMC - I love Christmas music - singing it, listening to it...What's your
favorite holiday carol and why? (Feel free to say "The Dreidel Song" if you
like - but it's got little redeeming musical value...)

I vote for: Angels We have Heard on High - the Gloria section is quite
possibly the "funnest" choral thing around....you can scat it, harmonize,
canonize (no pun intended)...it's fab, it's rad, it's groovy!

In second place: The Christmas song - aka Chestnuts Roasting - I love to
listen to it, and I have a great saxophone and piano version...before you
ask, no I don't know who does it...

I must admit a fondness for Silent Night...but it's so cliche!

OMC2 - I think everyone should listen to a certain piece this holiday
season. It's called "7o'clock news/Silent Night" It's by Simon and
Garfunkel - I believe it's the last cut off of _Parsley Sage Rosemary and
Thyme_. It's a really eerie piece. I even did a paper on it last year. It's
kind of sobering, but well worth it just for the discussions you have about
it afterwards....

Back to work...

Marsha


Marsha J. Ferziger
University of Chicago School of Law
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Subject:      Christmas Favorites

>I think my favorite Christmas songs off all time are still the songs off of
>"A Charlie Brown Christmas" by the Vince Guaraldi Trio.  The classics are
>great with a jazz arrangement and the originals are great.  Definitely an
>album (Yes, I have it on vinyl) that I would highly recommend.  Off to
>exams...

>King Jeremy the Wicked (who graduates in four days)

I gotta agree with you, that too is my fave for Christmas.
"Skating" (name?) is my favorite pieces.  Heck they're all great.

Mike
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:33:35 CST
From:         Paul Heroy <HEROY@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Album Covers

On Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:10:00 CST Leonard Watkins said:
>
>What is the strangest/wildest album cover you've seen.

It's been a while since I've paid very much attention to covers, thanks
to CD's. The only thing that comes to mind is the Scorpions' Blackout,
featuring a man's head wrapped in bandages, with forks wrapped around
gouging into his eyeballs. Not much blood though :-> Lotsa metal bands have
had wild, imaginative covers, to the point where now they're just derivative.
(And stupid, but they were always a little stupid :-)

>What is your favorite album cover.

Several votes have been cast for the Yes/Asia covers, and I also like those.
Journey had some cool looking covers. I liked several of Iron Maiden's
covers - always wanted a poster of Eddie when I was a kid. (Eddie is the
skeleton/zombie featured on all their albums.) You can tell when I grew up
and was buying LP's :-) Bela Fleck and the 'tones album 'Flight of the Cosmic
Hippo'. Strunz & Farah's albums have painting done in the style of a famous
Mexican artist - the one who popularized the bright colors and tropical
scenes, can't remember his name. Boston's first album, with the upside down
guitars as spaceships, with enclosed cities on top. I had a friend airbrush
this onto a t-shirt for me in 11th grade.

>What is the strangest/wildest band name.

Can't top most of the other entries here, but: The Shitdogs. Bloodfart. A
local band called themselves Isosceles Popsicle.

>Favorite band name.......How did Pink Floyd come up with their name.

I've always liked The Butthole Surfers, for sheer descriptiveness. My band
would be called the Butthole Snowskiers :-)

Paul Heroy
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Subject:      a 40 or so man

>From:         Kimberly Wasilewski <ST92CPO6@DUVM.BITNET>
>What do you think a 40 or so man would listen to....

Why, Tangerine Dream and Hawkwind, of course.  At least, this 40 or so
does.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:51:04 MST
From:         Thumper <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: punk rock stuff

ben spewed:

>    Being into Mr. Bungle and Primus isn't really worth anything to me,
>though I'm not going to kill myself over it.  "There's nothing really
>devastating enough to scream about these days."  Where have you been living
>in a cave.

And where have you been living?  In a mosh pit?  I hardly think that
constitutes enough to claim to be the Custodian of the Total Perspective
Vortex.

>Wow I wish I could live in your make believe world of Chilly
>Pepper wanna be's funkin' it up.  Why don't you turn on the tv and harvest
>the crust from your eyes.  Here's some stuff to sing about if you feel like
>starting a punk band:  For starters you could sing about oppression.  It's real
>popular to oppress anyone or anything that isn't a white middle class
>herterosexual male.  Sexism is rappant in our society, racism is rappant in
>our society, homophobia is rappant in our society, animals our being
>murdered and oppressed for their flesh, our environment is being destroyed
>at an alarming rate, people our starving... unfortunetly I could go on all
>day but this is a music list and I'm sure you people want to just forget about
>your problems and just let them take care of themselves.

One large step to solving these problems is tolerance and compassion -- neither
of which you've displayed with your last seven sickening messages. I think
you're causing more problems with your pissy attitude than you're solving...
Grow up.

>There's more to
>music than a funky bass line and cool video's on mtv.

And there's more to life than sweating and slammin' in a mosh pit and
screaming, "oh woe, oh woe, oh fucking woe"..

Time to modify the auto-kill files, folks...

Hugs and kisses,
- Carol

OMC: Pure's _Pureafunalia_ is great... get it mr. tee...
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Subject: Re: Softens heads while you do dishes!
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:41:48 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92121111340219@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET> writes:
>Will you kindly explain this? What is the "tachist" school?

Is "tachist" too tough for your dictionary?  The tachist school has been
given to composers like Penderecki and perhaps Xenakis and Ligeti.  If
you know their works, then you know what it means.  It is music that is
based on more transient acoustical events, and not so much pitches and
melodies and metered rhythms.

Jeff
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 22:52:54 GMT

In article <92354.151652MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET> MMORSE@YORKVM1.BITNET writes:
>Hoo boy, happy hornet's nest:
>Jeff, are saying that Carla somehow does not have the right to take
>the stance that she does? From what I know of Carla Bley, I would

No.  Did I say that?  I was just reporting her views.

>think that it is not naivete which makes her scorn politics (feminist
>and otherwise), but commitment to what she is doing.
>  You and I may not make such a vision our own, and may have an easy time
>seeing all the things it leaves out; but is she truly unentitled to it?

Yes

>Please don't understand these remarks to be some soapsud version of
>Dingbat Relativism. But I think that respecting Carla Bley's tremendous
>accomplishments as a musician and as a human being--entrepreneur, role
>model, and much more--embraces respect for her right to her views. Don't you?

Of course.  That is close to how I view them too.  She is someone who
gets things done.  Since she obviously knows how to do that, she
isn't whining about all these other things.

Jeff
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