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From: x91osiecki@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SCDOWN
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:26:23 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <C1Kz0y.ICu@news.iastate.edu>, JI.RCB@ISUMVS.IASTATE.EDU writes:
> In article <1993Jan28.144905.2397@walter.bellcore.com>,
> lein@cat.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
>>In article <1k76rdINN94g@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> pele@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (David J. Duffield) writes:
>>>
>>>From Feb 1, 1993 Soccer America:
>>>
>>>"I will place articles in the press.  I will hold press conferences.  I
>>>       will take the fight to Congress.  All I need is for you to tell
>>>       me to go ahead."  --US Soccer executive director Hank Steinbrecher
>>>               telling NCAA Div I men's coaches he will lead the fight
>>>               to lift the ban on college players playing outside ball
>>>               during the school year.
>>>
>>>To me this sounds like a great idea.  NCAA a good slap in the face (or kick
>>>somewhere else) so that they realize that they are destroying US Soccer.
>>>
>>>~r .scoff
>>>
>>
>>The slap in the face is on the players, what ever happened to "Student Athletes"
>>or will this be a new "study abroad" program.  I sure hope the NCAA doesn't
>>become a minor league for yet another professional sport (basketball, football),
>>
>>I guess these players will go use up their elligibility "for the good of
>>US Soccer" and be left four years later without a degree or the means to
>>complete it.
>>
> The plain fact is that soccer and other NCAA minor sports are being
> made to pay for the abuses of smashball and basketball.  We don't
> prohibit a member of the marching band from playing in an outside
> group.  What right does the NCAA have to control the outside lives
> of college students.  Clearly, coaches should be prohibited from
> requiring excessive training outside the season.  But the decission to
> participate in outside leagues should be the athletes not the NCAA or
> any other governing body!
	I play Division 1 college soccer.   This past Christmas I wasn't
allowed to play in the local Indoor Christmas Tournament.   I can't play
the game for what it's meant to be played for, FUN.  College ball takes 
tremendous amount of time to be successful.  I'm not complaining, but
shouldn't I be allowed to participate in something that I have been
for years during the winter and summer months.  Who has the right to tell
me I can't play soccer with a group of friends.  No one tells me how much
I have to study?  As long as my grades are descent no one cares.  The 
NCAA does more to restrict and hurt athletes then it does to help them.

				X91oseicki@gw.wmich.edu

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From: marco@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Marco Petroni)
Subject: Coppa Italia: Semi-Finals, 1st Leg (Jan 27 Games)
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 23:35:45 GMT

Coppa Italia: Semi-Finals First Leg; Games played Wednesday, Jan. 27, 1993:

Parma		1	Juventus	2
   Brolin '34 (2nd)	   Vialli '32 (2nd)
			   Vialli '40 (2nd)

All the goals were scored in the second half after a slow start by
both teams in the first half. Vialli put Juve on the board first
thanks to a nice scissor kick that put the ball in the net.  Parma
equalized two minutes later, but despite a good effort by Asprilla and
Brolin, could not take the lead. Juve scored their game-winning goal 5
minutes from time, thanks again to Vialli.


Napoli		0	Roma		0

According to match reports, Napoli played better than Roma did,
looking more determined and aggressive in their attack. Roma seemed
afraid at times to go on the offensive, but still managed to come out
of the match with an important away win.  Also, the game was
conditioned to a large degree by poor pitch conditions.


Milan		0	Inter		0

The Coppa Italia derby also finished in a scoreless draw, but unlike
the Napoli-Roma match, the game was filled with excitement, with both
teams playing well and putting on a good show. In the end, a draw is a
fair result which reflects the parity between the two sides in the
match. Milan was playing without any forwards, leaving to Gullit and
Savicevic the task of trying to score. Savicevic played a great game
for the "rossoneri" and Sosa, Fontolan, and Manicone were the best
players for the "nerazzurri". As was the case in the Napoli-Roma
match, the condition of the pitch was also quite poor.


Lazio - Torino will be played tomorrow (Thursday), and the second
leg matches will be played in two weeks' time...

Marco...
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From: <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject:    Oleg Salenko and Spurs


It has been announced on the Beeb today, that the good old British(English)
have not approved Oleg's application for a working permit, because
he has not played enough games for his country. The deal is therefore
now off. Tough luck for Spurs, and more well thoughtout life-and-death
situations solved by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. He should have
applied to be a corner shop owner, instead of a footballer.
From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FANZines
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:37:01 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.930121145314.320@psy4.psy.glasgow.ac.uk>, RONNIE@psy.glasgow.ac.uk ("RONNIE THOMPSON" ) writes:
> I have read the edition of the fanzine Follow Follow to which you
> refer.In particular the Maurice Johnstone saga and the way in which
> it would affect the traditions of the club,well you and I both know
> that it does not matter who Rangers sign - they will always be
> a Protestant club .The opposite also applies to Celtic who have
> always had a strong affection for all things Irish.
> But a religious debate is not what this mailing system is all about
> and the Rangers v Celtic history is of no consequence to anyone
> outwith Scotland.



	As you seem to be a newcomer to this group that particular subject 
has in fact been discussed in "depth" and will probably arise again in
the near future, perhaps after the next Rangers/Celtic game.
I have a dozen back copies of FOLLOW FOLLOW in the Cutting Edge Fuel Science
Lab if Sean SubTrophy would care for a browse.


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From: s009@brems.ii.uib.no (Arne Rivenes)
Subject: Statisticks
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:03:35 GMT

I would like to have lists of all the league and cup winners from
the various countries, and wich year they won.
I don't really need the brittish ones (I got themfrom Rothman), but if 
it's gonna be posted then someone else might wantthem. If you don't 
think anyone else is interested then please mail them to me.

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: McLEAN vs MURRAY
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:21:35 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1993Jan25.125247.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> 
> THE STORY SO FAR:
> Eight days before the euro-signing deadline, Rangers Chairman D.Murray phones
> his Dundee Utd counterpart, J.McLean to offer #2.5M for Duncan Ferguson.
> McLean knocks Rangers back and the two chairmen agree to keep the phone call 
> confidential.

> Can Mr Murray really expect anyone to side with him in his plans for a super
> league now that they are aware that he may go public with anything at anytime
> to suit himself ??????


	Well the point is that the story was broken on Friday night after
it had been leaked to STV and David Murray was merely confirming what had 
been on STV the night before.  I don't see anything wrong with this and the 
concern should be how the story managed to get out in the first place.  Rangers
always conduct their transfers in the proper manner and the first anyone 
hears about a transfer is when the player signs, not before.  Also, failed 
transfer bids rarely make the news.

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From: mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen)
Subject: Re: Everton Fans ( was Re: Premier League Standings
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:01:01 GMT

Henrik Evanth (e90he@efd.lth.se) wrote:

: because of the standings, I still would like to hear how they actually are
: playing and If there is any hope of approvement this year. There must be some
: english fans out there who have been visiting Goodison Park lately.

In fact, they are playing quite well at the moment. They have got 10 points 
out of the last 6 games (Manu, which has been the best team lately, has got
14), and (if I remember correct) made 8 goals in the last 4 matches (two 
goals in each).

: 
:        I guess the 80's were pretty decent for Everton. Let's hope that the 90's
: will be another decade of which Everton will be one of the dominating clubs.

Yes! BTW, just a reminder: in '83 autumn, Everton was in the relegation zone,
a year after that they took the lead in the league, and won the title in 
spring! (Who was the manager then? Kendall!) Lets hope that history repeats
itself.


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From: MOORES@BNR.CA (Richard Moores)
Subject: Re: Wombles aim to make it a hat-trick against Villa
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:47:50 GMT

In article <7700@sersun1.essex.ac.uk>, leitm@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Leith M F)
wrote:

> 
> Despite the fact I follow the Wombles,

Wow a Wimbledon fan, didn't I meet you on the tube to Wembley in '88 ? ;-)


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Liverpool Football Club
THE most succesfull English Club
of all time...just check the facts
From: RONNIE@psy.glasgow.ac.uk ("RONNIE THOMPSON" )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Scottish League/Scottish Super League
Date: 22 Jan 1993 03:42:52 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

The real reason why Rangers do not play in the Tennents Sixes is as
plain as they nose on your face.RFC are sponsored by McEwans
Lager.Tennents insisted that Rangers play in the sixes in shirts not
bearing that sponsors logo as they are a rival company.McEwans blew
their lid at this and told Rangers to pull out.Since the money from
sponsorship heavily outweighs that of winning the Sixes Rangers
complied.It's all about finance and is nothing to do with football.
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: 1982 World Cup question
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:53:49 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <C1B9G8.Mux@ecf.toronto.edu>, wisznie@ecf.toronto.edu (WISZNIEWSKI SEBASTIAN) writes:
> 
>  A question to all of you soccer fans.
> 
>  Did the final match in 1982 World Cup in Spain go into overtime?
>  To refresh your memory, it was a match between Italy and West Germany.

no i think it was 3-1 or something in normal time

> 
>  Seb
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From: csi095@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Dibble)
Subject: Re: Piechnik?
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:57:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan15.151756.15866@syma.sussex.ac.uk> pauldv@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Paul Devine) writes:
>
> My spelling may be wrong here, but we all know the player: Piechnik for
>Liverpool. From what I've seen of him so far he looks a complete donkey.
>However, remember the European Championships 1992: he handled Marco van
>Basten very well. Can anyone tell us any more about this player?
>Paul.
>
Well.....either it's his twin Donkey playing for Liverpool or he was ill
when he played against Holland. I've heard him and Borygnaby (SP) called
Torvill and Dean!!!!! *8-)
Dibble

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From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Home cities for Italian teams.
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:31:17 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan25.183734.23615@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, yhartojo@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Francis Hartojo) writes:
> 
>      Hi soccer fans, I have a somewhat unusual question for you.  I've been
> following Italian league soccer quite closely in this newsgroup and whenever
> I can on TV, but I don't know some of the teams' home cities.  Of course,
> there are some very obvious ones like:  Milan, Inter, Torino, etc., but what
> about Juventus or Sampdoria?  I'd really like to know their home cities in
> case they're playing their town rival, if there's any.

here are the ones i know of...

Juventus: Turin
Sampdoria: Genoa
Atalanta: Bergamo
Udinese: Udina
Lazio: Rome
Fiorentina: Florence




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>      Thanks in advance.
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From: wadhwa@cs.dal.ca
Subject: EVERTON
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:08:37 GMT

I am a huge Everton fan, but I have lost touch with English soccer for two years.
Could any one post the current Everton lineup. Thanks.


P.S. Everton has been in the Premier League (First Division) longer than any other
English soccer club, and plan to stay there.
    
     Everton for 1993-1994 League championship and F.A. Cup
From: pd@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Peter Durham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FANZines
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:57:57 GMT


>In article <1993Jan20.200857.2952@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
>>
>>
>>Does anyone out there read fanzines?
>>which ones? 
>> 


1. Brighton Fanzines: 

	Brighton have (had?) 2 fanzines - Gull's Eye and the evocatively-named
"And Smith Must Score...!" (I haven't seen anyone selling the latter recently,
so perhaps they've stopped selling it).

2. I read an article in a Sunday paper's magazine (I think it was the
 Independent on Sunday) which was about Crystal Palace's fanzine.  It was quite
good, but the two things I remember most were the writer's surprise that the 
fanzine's editors were literate, and the fanzine's section on how to make a 
Brighton strip out of a Tesco's bag! 

	Peter
From: abrantes@cs.pitt.edu (Jorge Abrantes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: milan's power
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:29:04 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

Bob posted,

>
>How does this all relate to Milan? Sure they can afford the players but if
>they can't play together they still won't win. This year they are
>showing that, besides the fact that they're great players, they are also
>a great team. A team that knows how everyone will play. A team that's more
>than the sum of the individual parts.
>
>bob

I agree with Bob but the question is that, besides the Milan has the
highest-priced players (in fact good players), they had been played   
together for a long time. This is essential in soccer.

Jorge Cesar
University of Pittsburgh
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From: weisz@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.weisz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Sudden Death tie-breaker
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:12:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1993Jan26.181252.29915
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From article <1jvbv1INNlu0@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>, by visconm@curie.CS.ORST.EDU (Visconti Marcello Alfredo):
> From Soccer International January issue: Joao Havelange says JAPAN in
> He also said that a new rule to break ties after 90 minutes will be
> tried in Australia Youth WC '93: if teams are tied after 90 minutes
> in a knock-out phase, there will be a 30 minute SUDDEN DEATH extra
> time period.  If they remain tied, they'll go to a penalty shootout.
> 
> That's all.
> 
> Marcello.
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"Sudden Death" will sure make calling an overtime penalty kick "interesting".

Play on.

Robert Weisz
Naperville, Illinois   USA
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From: clgs17@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Accies
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:11:36 GMT
Distribution: eunet
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <C194E4.172@newcastle.ac.uk>, Dave.Alderson@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson) writes:
> 
>>Question: What was going through Terry Butchers head when he recklessly
>>challenged Bobby Bar, broke his leg and finished his career? I heard
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I'm not going to comment on the rest of this post, but Terry's career certainly
> isn't finished. He's currently doing a grand job for the Lads.
>>the crack from the stand. Accies cannot afford sophisticated medical
>>treatment.
> Incidentally, I've got an Accies scarf. Now, where the hell did it come from???
> Dave.
> 
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ACCIES SCARFS SPONTANEOUSLY MATERIALISE IF YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN TO BE BLESSED,
YOU SHOULD FEEL HUMBLED.
ACCIES SCARFS ARE LIKE MANNA FROM HEAVEN - YOU MUST HAVE DONE SOME GREAT 
VIRTUOUS ACT IN ORDER TO RECEIVE SUCH A ACCOLADE.
From: balasubr@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Anand Balasubramanyan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Calling all Liverpool fans
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:56:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I have been keenly observing the ridicule that Liverpool fans have been getting
over the past few months. Now I don't claim to even be in touch with all the
latest developments in the leagues, but I try to keep in touch through this
newsgroup. All I can say is that fans everywhere are jealous of the kind of
love and dedication that we Koppites show towards our club. Win or lose we
will always be the best fans in the world, of any club in any sport. We 
really believe in Liverpool F.C. 

You loser fans out there who don't support Liverpool, stop letting your 
jealousy cloud your judgement. We all know Liverpool is the most celebrated
club in English football. Try to get an identity - the kind of identity that
we Koppites have built up over the years. Remember - that's what makes football
an entertaining sport.

Wishing every non Liverpool fan good luck

Let's go Reds!
From: dmg@st-andrews.ac.uk (David Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: What is with Liverpool
Date: 23 Jan 93 14:49:51 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.

In article <1993Jan22.103917.11465@vax.oxford.ac.uk> paul@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>In article <C179Gs.D6v@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, ajackson@cck.coventry.ac.uk (ALAN MICHAEL JACKSON) writes:
>> I would like Sun-ness to be given till the end of the season before a
>> decision is made about his role as manager. (But I would get rid of him
>> then).
>
>Your parenthesised comment suggests that you've made the decision already, but
>you simply wouldn't tell the blighter till the end of the season. That might
>make more sense unless someone is already lined up to take over. Realistically
>this season is a write-off (barring relegation which even Sewer-ness should be
>able to prevent), so recruiting a new manager after the end of the season 
>may be simpler, and the compensation to the present manager for terminating hs
>contract a bit less.
>
>Paul

I read somewhere that the compensation would be 1million pounds - thats 
why they don't want to get rid of him.
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