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From: meijer@ucs.ubc.ca (Paul Meijer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: REMEANINGLESS REG. SEASON
Date: 17 Dec 1992 18:45:11 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
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In article <2697.47.uupcb@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> allen.henton@compdyn.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Allen Henton)  writes:
>
>  [stuff deleted]
>
>        I do however really belive that if the NHL adopted a wioldcard
>system like that in use by the NFL, that it would not make the regul;ar
>season meaningless, but make it more interesting, especially in the
>weaker divisions, like the adams.
>

	I also like the idea of a wildcard system, but one of the problems 
with implementing that in the NHL is the unbalanced schedule (ie. teams playing
many more games against teams in their own division).  When a division has a
very weak team (or two), the other teams in that division could be getting
several wins against that weaker team.  If you try to balance the schedule by
having teams play all the other teams an equal number of times, you run into
a problem with unbalanced travel schedules.

	Increasing the number of teams in the league should help because then
you reduce the feeling that almost everybody makes it into the playoffs. 
Another way to do this might be to actually reduce the number of teams that
make it into the playoffs.  How about only letting the top three teams in each
division qualify for the playoffs?  Give the first place teams a bye in the
first round, and let the 2nd and 3rd place teams play each other.

			..... Paul



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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: expansion
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:30:14 GMT

In article <Bz4IJ2.7wv@ccu.umanitoba.ca> tvorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Tommy Che Vorst) writes:
>
>I'm not spouting off from some I Love Canadian Hockey standpoint, either. 
>I just think that cities like Hamilton have gone long enough without a
>team, and deserve one, having proven themselves capable and worthy. 
>Surely, the NHL has not become so one-sidedly a business that there is no
>room left for ethics and a sense of loyalty?
>
>Just remeber that if today's rules had applied to the NHL 25 years ago the
>NHL would have teams in Cincinatti, Seattle, Milwaukee, (one more in)
>Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta, and Baltimore, and there would NOT be teams in
>Quebec, Hartford, Ottawa, Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, and (dare I say
>it?) Winnipeg.
>

Exactly the point...Edmonton, Winnipeg, and Quebec City didn't wait for
the NHL to come knocking, like Hamilton is doing...they barged down the
door.  Somebody from Hamilton has to put $100 million dollars down at
the table...

As for the WHA...do you know where Bill Hunter, the godfather of the WHA
is selling hockey these days...with Bill Comrie in San Diego...making
and preparing San Diego for a future team with an innovative minor
league approach to hockey...

...Pat Hickey has begun preparing the way in Hamilton with the AHL
team...but ultimately in Hamilton's case, somebody is going to have
lay down an awful lot of dollars...a hockey team in Hamilton comes with
a baseball price tag.

Gerald
From: mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL on ... Disney Channel???
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:18:26 GMT
Distribution: na

From what local broadcaster have been saying, Disney has been looking for  
programming for the station it owns locally in Souther California, KHJ (?)  
Channel 9 in Orange County/Los Angeles.  There were many mentions of having  
every game shown on Channel 9.  (This was reported by the news team of Channel  
9 so I would think it would be pretty accurate).

If it makes it to Disney Channel, I'd be suprized.

--

Mike Shebanek
University of California, Riverside
mikes@velo.ucr.edu
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Housley to be traded
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 00:01:59 GMT

In article <BzIp9y.8uK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EVAN pritchard) writes:
>
>Pardon me, but that is false.  Winnipeg lost to Edmonton 4 games to 3
>after being up 3 to 1 when Dale Hawerchuk was still with the team.
>That was 1989-90.  It was the best hockey series that I have ever
>seen.  Housley was not a member of the Jets at that time.  
>

Jari Kurri and Bill Ranford brought the Oilers back from the dead!

In my personal opinion, the two best series of the nineties, and two
of the best in recent history were that Winnipeg-Edmonton series, and
the Calgary-Edmonton series the following year.  I have a slight 
preference for the Flames-Oilers series, because it also had a 
more physical dimension, in addition to the hockey artistry.

One wonders what was going through Bob Murdoch's head when he left
Bob Essensa at the end of the bench in Game 7 though.

Gerald
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy)
Subject: AHL standings
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:12:51 GMT

TRANSACTIONS
THE ISLANDERS promoted forwards Marty McInnis, Graeme Townshend and Travis Green
	from CAPITAL DISTRICT.

THE RANGERS promoted defensemen Sergei Zubov and goalie Corey Hirsch
	from BINGHAMTON
==============================================================
AMERICAN HOCKEY LEAGUE STANDINGS AS OF SATURDAY MORNING, 12/12
				
NORTHERN DIVISION	W-L-T	PTS	GF	GA
Capital District	15-8-4	34	99	86
Providence		15-13-1	31	145	131
Adirondack		13-12-3	29	113	114
Springfield		11-13-4	26	110	120
New Haven		5-18-5	15	91	131

SOUTHERN DIVISION	W-L-T	PTS	GF	GA
Binghamton		22-2-4	48	149	91
Rochester		15-11	30	135	114
Hershey			10-15-3	23	109	123
Utica			9-14-4	22	108	126
Baltimore		8-15-5	21	107	127
Hamilton		6-14-3	15	82	102

ATLANTIC DIVISION	W-L-T	PTS	GF	GA
Cape Breton		15-10-2	32	133	120
Fredericton		14-9-4	32	109	91
St John's		14-10-4	32	121	115
Moncton			9-10-7	25	88	87
Halifax			9-16-3	21	100	121

SUNDAY
Adirondack at Capital District
Halifax at Fredericton
Cape Breton at Moncton
Baltimore at New haven
Binghamton at Providence
Utica at Rochester
========================================================================
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From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: trade rumor
Date: 19 Dec 92 06:49:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Af=nZ4u00Uh701iHAO@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>
>Food for thought.  Folks were talking about this rumor last night:
>
>Jaromir Jagr and unnamed player(s) for Brett Hull.
>
>Hmmm...Hull isn't happy in St Louis.  Jagr has said he'll go anywhere
>for the money (but he also wants sunshine and pretty girls).  Would
>Hull be happy on the second (or third?!) line?

But Jagr just signed a hefty > $1 Million/year contract.  So he *IS*
where the money is.

As far as a trade, Jagr will go where he is told, whether he likes it or not
since he's not a free agent.  

This is just one of those ugly rumors to piss off the "girls with big hair"
up in D-section.  They wen't ballistic when Recchi was traded...they might
turn in their season tickets  if Jaromir is traded.   Hmmm.....There 
might be some good from this after all!
 
>Mom.


Son.
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From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Stan Fischler, 12/17
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:29:37 GMT
Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center
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gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
> * Winnipeg has presented an offer to the Bruins: Joe Juneau and Glen
> Wesley for Phil Housley.  The Bruins told the Jets to take a hike.

Sounds like the Winnipeg GM has frost on the brain...
From: Bob_Daye@mindlink.bc.ca (Bob Daye)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Habs Schedule
Date: 13 Dec 92 07:56:53 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

The Habs play the same number of games as all the other teams and still
consistently finish among the top year after year - so much for your
theory!!!
GO HABS GO  ANOTHER STANLEY CUP COMING UP!!!   ;-)

--BOB
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From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 12/17 (Was: Pens-6 Flyers-2)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 15:43:42 GMT

In <1992Dec17.200823.29082@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, peter.r.clark..jr writes:

>In article <BzD6HB.Dpz.1@cs.cmu.edu>, lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:

>Since I only had radio coverage of the game, I'm referring you all to Lori's
>post for a game summary. But I'll add some FLYERS news:

>Injuries:

>No status changes. Eric Lindros was shown practicing all over Philly TV
>stations last night, and he seems to be skating well. Coach Dineen was
>>interviewed on one channel, and he said that Eric is chomping at the bit
>to get back out there, but will not play tonight. That particular station
>said that him playing Saturday was a real possibility though. Then another
>station said one more week, and yet another said after Xmas. But only the
>first station had video of coach Dineen, so maybe they know something. Dineen
>said that he will absolutely not play Lindros until he's 100%

December 30.  Bet on it.  Lindros won't want to miss a chance to play (and
score 5 points) against the Sharks.  Lemieux certainly "got well" against
them, scoring 7 points while still supposedly recovering.

Besides, we have tickets for that game and my wife (a huge Flyers fan) will be
bummed out if #88 isn't on the ice by then.


Tim Irvin
******************************************************************************
Sharks--11 points.
Senators--9 points.

"Don't look back.  Something may be gaining on you." -- Satchel Paige
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From: ua256@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Tom Moffat)
Subject: Re: Habs Schedule
Organization: Camosun College, Victoria B.C, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:46:27 GMT



The habs will not win the Stanley cup this year . My bet is on the Canucks.

-- 
Tom Moffat
Victoria .B.C.
Canada
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Tampa & Miami
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:10:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.184656.22878@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
>But the question remains: Why will that make the franchise succeed whereas
>Tampa's won't? Fans won't flock to Miami's arena and not to Tampa's because
>the owners have money. Maybe if they have lower ticket prices because they
>don't need the revenue as badly. If they fork over money for talent, then it
>is the talent that is attracting the fans.

What will make a franchise succeed is a stable ownership group that markets
the team well.  If the ownership group has deep pockets, they're more
likely to remain the ownership group (stability) and more likely to spend
the money to market the team.  If the ownership group is on the edge
financially, they don't have as much room to operate, and are more likely
to want out soon.

I think putting a team in Tampa was a fine idea, and I hope the Lightening
succeed.  I just think the NHL should have picked the Compuware bid.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: shindle@ocf.berkeley.edu (Richard Michael Shindle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Radical Format Change (flame bait)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 00:56:39 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.32.234.32

>But the playoffs are even more affected by injuries.  One injury to your
>#1 goalie, for example, and you get killed.  This is where I feel that the
>intrinsic unfairness of the playoffs system is, since teams don't get a chance
>to rebound from injury, et al.

I believe the playoff series is the time when a team gets tested. Playoffs
are supposed to decide who has the best team. A team is more than a star
goalie or center. The best team will be the one who can win even with
these injuries. For instance, the Penguins if they did not have Mario and
still won the Stanley Cup would have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt
that they are the better team. I always hope the best players can play,
but life usually has something else to say.

Mike
(shindle@ocf.berkeley.edu)

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From: glenn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Glenn McCarville)
Subject: stats/mailing list
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:50:53 GMT

I am starting to keep stats for a hockey pool. Is there anyone sending out
weekly or daily mailing lists of player stats? A Tom Wilson did this last
year. Any info would be appreciated.

Reply via email
glenn@ug.cs.dal.ca

Thanks in advance
-- 
glenn@cs.dal.ca
glenn@ug.cs.dal.ca
01glenn@ac.dal.ca
From: B7O2@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (B7O2000)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Anaheim and Miami. WHY?!!
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:17:39 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <Bz3wLG.9A3@ie.utoronto.ca> green@ie.utoronto.ca (Marc Green) writes:
>kellerjb@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jeffrey Keller) writes:
>
>>I agree.  This is terrible.  I thought the point of the NHL expansion was to
>>expand the game to more places.  Instead, they put one team in a city that
>>already has a team and the other team in a state they just expanded to.  These
>>choices don't make much sense to me.  Anaheim gets a team because Disney made
>>a movie about hockey?!  What kind of qualifications are those?  Are they trying
>>to create an NHL version of the Clippers?  Seattle, Milwaukee, and Hamilton
>>all make more sense to me than either one of these cities.
>
Ditto ...
>>|_|| ||_|| \| ||_        JEFFREY B KELLER        |   Hoosier by birth,

>And I don't understand the crack about the Clippers. The Kings have sold
>out every game for a couple of years. Why shouldn't Anaheim be a success?
>
Ahh ... but does anybody actually GO to games and when they do, is it
to watch hockey or be watched? Do you realize that the Kings are only
the latest cali fad ... situation's just like in Toronto with the
baseball Blue Jays where half the crowd leaves before the seventh inning
(or second period ...)

>And give up on Hamilton, already. They will never, never get a team. Buffalo
>will make sure of that. Milwaukee didn't want to pay $50 million, let
>alone the extra $10 million indemnication to Chicago. By contrast, Disney
>used pocket change to pay off $25 million to the Kings.

how about a big TO, Buffalo, Hamilton rivalry? possible .... Disney used
part of their 50 mil to pay off the Kings ... they didn't actually spend
any extra money ...

>Marc Green
>
Julian
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From: kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Subject: Re: Official Expansion: Anaheim and Miami - No Joke
Organization: NRC-Institute for Marine Dynamics
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 16:38:35 GMT

In article <Dec11.001616.20572@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:
> 
> The NHL has announced official plans today to expand into both Anaheim
> and Miami either for 1993-94 (unlikely) or 1994-95 (likely).
> 
> Possible implications:
> --Anaheim to the Smythe and Miami to the Norris, moving Toronto to the
> Adams.

Anaheim to the Smythe, Miami and Winnipeg to the Norris, Toronto to the
Adams?

KM
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;)
Subject: NHL NEWS FOR 12 DECEMBER 1992
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 15:33:09 GMT


NHL NEWS FOR 12 DECEMBER 1992:


FIRST NHL COMMISSIONER NAMED:

The NHL has named former NBA senior vice president GARY BETTMAN to the
post of NHL Commissioner.  Bettman, 40, has served as general counsel
to the NBA since 1984.  He is expected to make approximately $1 million
in his new position.  The NHL Board of Governers decision to hire
Bettman was unanimous.  Bettman will begin his new position February 1,
while current president GIL STEIN will remain in his position until
June of 1993.


LOWE DEAL COMPLETED:

The NEW YORK RANGERS have signed defenseman KEVIN LOWE to a two-year
contract worth approximately $950,000 per season.  The EDMONTON OILERS
obtained forward ROMAN OKSYUTA and a first-round draft pick in 1993 for
the 34-year old Lowe.


SKALDE DEMOTED:

The NEW JERSEY DEVILS sent center JARROD SKALDE to the Utica Devils of
the American Hockey League.


-JPC


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From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Rangers/MSG info needed!
Date: 19 Dec 92 00:59:32 GMT
Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)
Organization: none

Hi ya'll.  I need help (no not that kind).  I tried to e-mail the Rangers
rep Paul Romano at romano@monolith.bellcaore.com, but the mail bounces.
Anyone know how I can reach Paul.  I have a question about the seating
/standing capacity of MSG.

Thanks,
Stan Willis
net contact: LA Kings

willis@empire.dnet.hac.com


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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: Why hockey isn't popular in the U.S.
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:34:55 GMT

jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio;6442;3.55;) writes:

>Case in point-- In Sports Illustrated (a generally shitty magazine for
>the hockey fan, and it shows) a couple of weeks ago (either November 23
>or 30th edition), there were a few articles from "fans" on how hockey
>could be improved. 

John...what happened?? Did someone give you a subscription for
Christmas or something?? :-)

I'd been told that to Sports Illustrated, there were two types of
hockey:

	a) fighting  and
	b) the "Miracle on Ice"

I don't read the magazine, but while waiting to see a doctor a
couple of years ago, I leafed through a copy of SI in the waiting
room. Sure enough, there was an article about the Stanley Cup.
They had 3 pictures: two of fights one of a goal.
A little further on they are talking about the upcoming winter 
olympics: there's a picture of Erutizone (sp?) with both arms
raised in the air after the victory. The caption read "Another Miracle?"

>All I fear is that Bettman might take some of these inane
>suggestions seriously, which might get more fans in, but sure as hell
>they'd lose me...

What kills me is that the NHL will now bend over backwards to
kiss SI's butt, so that "mainstream Amurika" can see that hockey
is great game. It might be spineless, weak and pathetic for the
league to court a rag that has stuck it to their sport for 
decades.....but it'll be good for "bidness"!

Yuck!

>-JPC

Brian Down. (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
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Subject: Re: hockey movies
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:55:29 MST
Followup-To: rec.sport.hockey
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <leventha-151292103302@m64-139.bgsu.edu>, leventha@andy.bgsu.edu (Laura Leventhal) writes:
> _________________________________________________________________________
> To add to the list of movies...
> 
> We rented yet another hockey movie called "Hockey Night."  It is about a
> girl hockey player who moves to a place with only a boys team.  You guessed
> it, she makes the team and has a romance with the star center...  Rick
> Moranis is the coach. There are definitely some funny parts to this movie
> (a bit about building latrines - my kids loved it).

This was originally a made-for-TV movie made by the CBC. You might recognize
the star, Megan Follows, as Anne of Green Gables from the CBC production of
the book. I understand that it was also shown in the US.....

								Alan

Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:25:41 -0500 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: trade rumor


Gerald Olchowy writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.181801.7810@bmerh85.bnr.ca> wizz@bnr.ca (Boris
Volk) writ
>es:
>>
>> It's absolutly amazing that anybody could judge Jagr to be of
comparable >value
>>to Brett Hull. I realize that most Penguin fans have trouble with this, but
>>then again they have a fairly myopic view of hockey in general.
>>
> 
>Nolan, Nedved, and Ricci are all playing better than Jagr this year...
>...patience sometimes is worthwhile...and are becoming much more
>valuable players, because their games are becoming much more complete...
>Jagr basically is still the same one-dimensional player he was two years
>ago, and his overall play has not improved.  He has more raw talent to
>work with, but he basically has stagnated as a player after his early
>success.  I'd rather of any one of the other three now...just a personal
opinion.

In the rumor we heard it was Jagr + others for Hull.  So I don't know who
is saying Penguin fans think Jagr and Hull are comparable.

I agree with Gerald on Jagr.  I was screaming for him to be traded last
year and my sectionmates thought I was crazy.  Now some of them are agreeing
with me.

Most players experience slumps but what Jagr is "in" is not a slump.  To
use an old saying, I think he's too big for his britches.  He's NOT Mario
Lemieux and never will be.  He seems to have little regard for his
linemates while on the ice; in fact, he seems to think he has no line
mates.  One-dimensional is a good term for him, in more ways than one.
Unless Bowman sits on him, and to this point he doesn't seem to have the
inclination to do that, then he's out of here.  And soon, I hope.  Not
necessarily for Hull but certainly something is cooking somewhere.

Mom.



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