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From: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Here is the UPI article (was Re: Dennis Rodman)
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:24:34 GMT
Reply-To: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter)
Organization: National Center for Supercomputing Applications

Here is the article form clari.sports.basketball.  Decide for yourself.
It seems Rodman is serious about this, however.  And of course, the Daly
thing surely has a lot to do with it.
------------------------------------cut here----------------------------
 	DETROIT (UPI) -- Detroit Pistons forward Dennis Rodman is
contemplating retiring from basketball to devote more time to his
excavating company in Texas, it was reported Thursday.
	``I know I have said stupid things before and made a lot of people
mad,'' Rodman told the Detroit News. ``I am serious about this. I can't
keep fighting myself. I have to make myself happy.''
	Rodman said the problem is basketball no longer appeals to him.
	``I want to be a normal person,'' he said. ``I just want to try to go
out and do something on my own. I've been thinking the last two years
what can I do to have more of a challenge.''
	The 6-year veteran said last month that he would not report to the
Pistons training camp in October unless Chuck Daly was reinstated as
head coach. Daly left Detroit after the past season and later took the
head coaching job with the New Jersey Nets.
	This past season, Rodman had his best season with the Pistons,
averaging 9.8 points and an NBA-leading 18.7 rebounds. He has been named
to the NBA's all-defensive team for the last four years.
	Rodman was the Pistons second-round draft choice from Southeastern
Oklahoma State in 1986.
	``I just feel there are other challenges for me to go for,'' he said.
``The money and the acclaim don't mean anything to me. This is nothing
against (new head coach) Ron Rothstein. It is nothing against anybody ..
. I don't have personal problems or anything. I just feel there is no
motivation there for me, and I want to retire.''
	Rodman said he will make a decision within the next month.
	Neither Rothstein nor Pistons President Tom Wilson could be reached
for comment.
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By the way:  Anyone know anything about Delany Rudd's future with Utah?
I heard a rumor they were going to drop him...
Anyone confirm?

Scott
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From: xxapollo@utagraph.uta.edu (Mr. Apollo Silva)
Subject: Re: USA/Croatia time ?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:41:47 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
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andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE) writes:
: Anyone know the time of the next game ?  It would be nice to see
: if MJ & Pippen can school Toni Kokuc,  which I am certain they will
: try.
: 
  Jul 27 2:30 pm EDT  USA vs. Croatia 

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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Here's one for U (1986 World Championships)
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:53:55 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <Bs3z9r.2s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	Now, if I couldn't understand the 1990 Goodwill Games team not
>	winning, I certainly can't understand this one.  Explain to me 
>	how this team won:
>
>	1986 USA World Championships Team
>	
>	Tommy Amaker, Duke
>	Steve Kerr, Arizona
>	David Robinson, Navy
>	Charles Smith, Pittsburgh
>	Kenny Smith, North Carolina
>	Tyrone "Mugsy" Bogues, Wake Forest
>	Sean Elliott, Arizona
>	Rony Seikaly, Syracuse
>	Tom Hammonds, Georgia Tech
>	Armon Gilliam, UNLV
>	Derrick McKey, Alabama
>	Brian Shaw, Cal - Santa Barbara
>
>	Team facts:
>	-  Averaged 84.1 ppg vs opponents 71.2 ppg
>	- Shot 49.6% vs opponents 39.9%
>	- Outrebounded opp 290 - 266.
>	- Final recordd:  9-1.
>	  Lost to Argentina (??!!)  74-70.
>	  Defeated USSR (w/ Sabonis, Volkov, etc.) 87-85 for championship.
>
>	Question:
>	Now, this team looks on the surface to have MUCH less talent than
>	that 1990 Goodwill Games team.  And this team is younger too!
>	Elliott, Hammonds were freshmen on this team, and David Robinson was
>	still in college at the time of these games.  They shot under 50%
>	from the field, played without injured Steve Kerr (by far their best
>	outside shooter) in the finals, and beat an older, much more experienced
>	Soviet team in the finals.  Talk about overachieving!

I may be confused, but I thought this was the World *University* Games team
for 1986.  If so, they were playing against teams with a maximum age limit
(maybe something like 22 or 23) rather than all the best players from the
other countries.

I think the games were played in Spain.  I remember that Muggsy was very
popular with the fans.
From: vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: JORDON OUT WITH BROKEN JAW!
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:02:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul22.210210.14081
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <PmR-WM#@engin.umich.edu>, martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
> Just Kidding! I saw this exact headline in the USA Today a few months ago
> at the beginning of the NBA play-offs. Being from Detroit and all, I nearly
> fell off my chair......until I read that it was Ricky Jordon from the
> Phillies that had broken his jaw.......
> 
> I thought a few people would get a kick out of this!
> 
> 
> 					Marty
> 
> 
> P.S. With the DreamTeam playing....I have found a new respect for
> Jordon, Pippen, and especially Barkley.........

CRUEL!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good, but cruel! :)
Maybe not so much for Jordan (a bit), but I agree about the respect thing
for the other two at least.

-- Venk Reddy --
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: USA vs Croatia result!! (Don't look!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:34:33 GMT


	If you're planning to watch the US/Croatia game tonite, don't
	read the next line...



















	USA  103,  Croatia 70.


	I thought Croatia was better than this.  Just got the info off
	the newswire.  Magic Johnson suffered a leg injury in this one,
	the extent of the damage is unknown.  I think the Dream Team has
	pretty much silenced all doubters.  Lithuania is the onlyu challenge
	left it seems.

	Jazzy J

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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1990 Goodwill Games team (explain this one to me)
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:55:25
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 27 Jul 92 20:41:36 GMT

[1990 Goodwill games roster deleted]
Must have been the coach!

Ooops, sorry! Wrong refrain for the wrong team.
I forgot John Thompson is the only boneheaded American to coach
internationally.

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From: djd7889@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Douglas J. Deutsch)
Subject: Re: Bullchit! Re: POGO-stick RETIRES (yes,aint kidding)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio
Date: 24 Jul 1992 09:07 EST  

In article <1682DE2D5.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu>, EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes...
>In article <1992Jul23.121221.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>
>tswilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Sly Fox) writes:
> 
>>Dennis Rodman, the Detriot Pistons' pogo stick will retire soon to concerate
>>on his business in Houston. He said he is tired of NBA and have no motivate
>>to play anymore.
> 
>Yeah, and Jordan is out with a broken jaw, and the Dream Team lost a game.
> 

[stuff deleted]


>And you expose your ruse by not mentioning something obvious like
>depression over his recent divorce.
> 
>I notice you didn't give a source either, probably becuz "thin air"
>doesn't sound too convincing.
> 
>Why bother when Detroiters like myself can expose you in an instant?
> 
>If there's any further doubt in anyone's mind, I'm listening to local
>sports as I write this. There's no mention of this stupid rumor.
> 
>--Eric

I read the local sports page this morning (Cleveland Plain Dealer) and it
had mention of Rodman's possible retirement.  I'm not saying that they're
necessarily correct, but it makes a rumor less 'stupid' when it's from a
respected newspaper........

As if anyone cares......

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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: SportsRank mailing list
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA.  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:49:55 GMT


     This message is mainly meant for Curtis Hill, because my replies
to him have bounced.  But to make it less of a waste, I'm making it
a public announcement too!

     There is a mailing list called "SportsRank" for people who want
to discuss the ranking of sports teams or players.  

     However, the mailing list has been dormant for almost a year!   
There were several very interesting articles posted, but I think people
just didn't have time to read them, much less respond to them.  Anyway,
you have been warned.

     The address is SportsRank@andy.bgsu.edu.  As usual, to sign up or
unsubscribe, send e-mail to SportsRank-request@and.bgsu.edu.
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From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Re: Wah....wah..Watusi
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:01:10 GMT

In article <WILLIE.92Jul29122106@amalthea.osf.org> willie@amalthea.osf.org (William Williams) writes:
>
>The Olympics has reminded me of something I've wondered about,
>but never when I could check it out: What country (countries?) 
>do the Watusi tribe live in?  If the actors in the earliest
			.
			.
			.
Rwanda and Burundi, mostly.  Yeah, me too; one
of the fantasies one buddy and I spin at the
end of some days is some sort of global re-
cruiting partnership, where we bring
field-goal blockers from Burundi, point guards
from Borneo, and long-distance runners from
Bhutan in to remake US teams.
-- 

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Adelman gets 2 year contract extension
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:09:03 GMT

sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter) writes:
>This is PARTICULARLY surprising, since everyone in the entire world
>was talking about complete, wholesale changes for next season.

Yes, but most of us realized that the Portland brass, players and
even the fans all like Adelman and didn't want him gone.

Therefore, we said ``he should get the boot,'' not ``he will get the
boot.''  And it's hard to say that we were wrong (or right).  Yet.

>Hmmmmm.   So much for sportswriters....

Or you could say, ``so much for making decisions with your heart
instead of your head.''

If Adelman wins a championship (and not as a result of Jordan breaking
his foot) then I will admit that he was right and I was wrong.  Until
then, I will continue to say that his mediocrity is holding the
Blazers down.

Only 99 more days until the season opener...

--Gidi

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: 1990 Goodwill Games team (explain this one to me)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:41:36 GMT


	Here is the roster of the 1990 Goodwill games team.  Someone explain
	to me how this team went only 3-2 and lost to Yugoslavia and
	the USSR team by 6 & 7 respectively.  Team roster:

	Billy Owens, Syracuse
	Alonzo Mourning, Georgetown
	Christian Laettner, Duke
	Kenny Anderson, Georgia Tech
	Todd Day, Arkansas
	Lee Mayberry, Arkansas
	Walt Williams, Maryland
	Charles Smith, Georgetown
	Clarence Weatherspoon, Southern Miss
	Chris Gatling, Old Dominion
	Mark Randall, Kansas
	Doug Smith, Missouri
	Bryant Stith, Virginia
	Bobby Hurley, Duke

	Team facts:
	-Owens led team in scoring at 21.4 ppg.  Anderson averaged 18.2 while
	Mourning averaged 11.8.
	-Team averaged 97.8 ppg vs opponent's 88.4
	-Team shot 49.3% vs opponents 45.7%
	
	Now explain to me why this team couldn't win.
	-  This team consisted of 12 NBA 1st round picks, 8 of which were
	lottery picks.
	- This team had 4 1st team All-Americans (Owens, Mourning, Laettner,
	and Anderson) and 1 POY (Laettner)
	- This team had 8 Prep McDonald's All-Americans
	
	This team (excluding the Dream Team) is the MOST talented international
	team the US has fielded in a LONG while.  Why could they only go 3-2
	and lose to Yugoslavia and USSR by decent margins?  Their other games:
	US 100, Puerto Rico 94.
	US 113, Italy 76.
	US 112, Brazil 95.

	Such a talented team shouldn't lose this much.

	Jazzy J

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From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Stojko Vrankovic
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:06:16 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <1992Jul29.151910.19514@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.212848.14273@husc3.harvard.edu> vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
>>This is a rather simple post, but I have been up here in Boston for about a
>>year now, and not even in practice have I seen Stojko Vrankovic play as well
>>as he did in the USA vs. Croatia match, including his rather awesome stuff
>>(block) of Pippen (I think it was Scottie... I could be wrong). I realize
>>he doesn't get the playing time here in the NBA, but even from what I have
>>seen in practices/scrimmages, he just plain played better in the Olympics.
>>Any ideas? Perhaps the pride and patriotism of playing for his newly
>>liberated country? I dunno... help me out, Celtics fans...

I have a few words for you.  Zone, International Rules, and friends
(Croation players).  Not to mention he was probably motivated by
the desire to not look bad in front of his fellow croation.

>
>Well, Stojko has shown signs of very talented play throughout his Celtic
>career.  However, he seldom put much effort in practice, and didn't get the
>time because of it.  I think the big thing was just the time he got to play.
>He is the type of player that plays much better in international basketball
>as well.  He doesn't move his feet all that well and doesn't have much of
>an offensive game, though his work with Dave Cowen is helping.  In 
>international bball, he can stick by the basket and block shots, and is 
>very good at knocking the ball out after it has hit the rim.

You can say that again.  I went to the C's/NJ exhibition game last
year.  The guy goaltended 5 straight sure misses, by grabbing
them on their way down.  As far as NBA bball is concerned
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Jimmy Ard
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:59:08 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <d1jy02fG1aos01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong) writes:
> Does anyone know what NBA Championship winning team Jim Ard played on?


	1976 - Celtics


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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: boston bias in particular ed and dave
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:39:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.130625.65747@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>So be the more mature one, geez, I though Celtic 
>>fans were smarter than this.  
>
>Yeah... ok...
I won't bet on it. This Celtic fan's smart only appears once every 30 days.
Then he will say "I am so smart so I won't argue with you anymore ...".
I wonder where his smarts were on the first 29 days.

Due to aging, I think it will take longer for him to have his smarts 
to show up this time ....

>Well, in Ed's defense, though he seems to seldom talk about Basketball,
>he could probably explain an illegal defense.  He may not be able to 
>realistically defend his "cut and paste", 
Yes, like getting accused of "cut-and-paste" lies, or redefinition, somehow 
somebody have to wimp out of this accusation.

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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re:  Laimbeer vs Parish
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:20:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <AvR-qM+@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
>McHale (on offense) would actually lean on Laimbeer, and Laimbeer would
>step aside and McHale would fall on the ground. Foul on Laimbeer!
>The refs caught on though, and eventually it would be a no-call....
>Then Laimbeer would go lean on Parish and Parish would step aside
>sending Laimbeer to the ground......great games they were!

Wow, that does sound exciting!  I'd pay money to see that!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:41:34 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Dream Team LOSES!

  Yes, this is no joke, it is true. The Dream Team lost yesterday, and they
also won.  It seems that Chuck split up the squads, it was Jordan, Pippen,
Bird, Malone and Ewing against Johnson, Laettner, Mullin, Barkley and Robinson.
The final score was 40-36 with Jordan hitting two free throws with 1.5 seconds
to go to lock the game.  "This is the best fun we have on the court.  It might
be the only competition we get all summer.  There's a lot of talking out there"
says Jordan.  Magic, "Our team was ahead 14-2 and for about 2 minutes, Michael
just brought them back by himself.  I was telling myself, 'I've got to stop
him', but in the back of your mind, you know you can't".  The media was only
allowed to watch the last 5 minutes.
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From: waterski@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mark T. Stacey)
Subject: Re: Average Centers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:33:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.193213.28638@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>
>Come on.  Perhaps you can say something about Ewing not being perfect, but
>Robinson and Hakeem (excluding last season) are A+'s.  Let's face it,
>Michael Jordan could improve his shooting %, his 3 point %, his free throw
>%, could block more shots, could steal a bit more and grab more rebounds
>too.  But he has no category which isn't already very good.
>
>So maybe Hakeem and Robinson aren't perfect, but they excel at a lot of
>things centers aren't supposed to do.  Top five in steals?  How many
>rebounding and shot blocking titles do they have between each other?
>Besides, centers, suck at free throws...

Fine, Hakeem is probably the best center in the NBA, but I can't accept this
nonsense about David Robinson being an A+.  David Robinson is not a great
center, in fact, he can't even play the position offensively.  The man can
not make a single move with his back to the basket (generally an important
skill in an NBA center).

Defensively, Robinson is a quality stopper, but he gets his points on fast
breaks and alley-oops (with a few put-backs).... More like a power forward.
I don't know why people are so concerned about free throws, that statistic
will have no bearing on a player's place in history.
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From: terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong)
Subject: Re: Notes from Rocky Mountain Review
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 23:53:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.224532.443@cheshire.oxy.edu> tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.155028.5005@dsd.es.com> jjehlers@flapjack.dsd.es.com (Jennifer Ehlers) writes:
>>
>>Yesterday the Rocky Mountain Review started.  The Rocky Mountain
>>Review is held in Salt Lake City, and this year runs from July 20-30.
>
> [...]
>
>>I have the team rosters, schedule of games, and stats from the first
>>3 games last night.  I will also be working at the games all week.  If
>>there is an interest I will post stats ect, but if nobody cares, I
>>don't want to waste my time typing them in.
>
>     Thanks for the interesting report.  My vote is:  keep the reports
>coming, but don't bother with the stats!  I.e., tell us who's doing
>unusually well or who's doing unusually poorly.  Or who showed up in
>an unexpected role, like Paul Pressey.  That would be "news we can use." 
>  | W			   Mike Tamada

Thanks for all your work, Jennifer.  If it is possible, please post **all**
the statistics, not just a few of them.  Many of us are 
following the progress of new or marginal players and we would be unable to
do this if only "interesting" stats
were posted.  However, I know it's a lot of work, so just do what you
have time for.  Anything is appreciated.
					Terry Wong
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From: matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: San Antonio Rookie Report
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:31:27 GMT

I see in my trusty LA Times (Allan Malamud's "Notes...") that Jerry
Tarkanian has invited some interesting names to the San Antonio Rookie
Free Agent camp...

Former UNLV players: Anderson Hunt, Jarvis Basnight, Gerald Padio
Infamous Former UNLV non-player: Lloyd Daniels

Best of luck to all of 'em.
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