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From: EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (BIG ED)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Star Wars Soundtracks
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:59:01 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


     Well, I finally got my hands on the Gephardt version of "Empire" on CD.
I must say, I am rather impressed, though it is not as good as Williams. Find-
ing this CD has set off a spark in me. I'm determined to find out how I can get
 some of this missing music from soundtracks on CD.
     Perfect example. When I was 8 or 9, I bought the "Empire" soundtrack on
LP (a two record set, I must add) and was constantly playing it to death. Then
when I finally got my CD player over two years ago, I went out to replace my LP
 with a crystal clear CD. Well I did replace it but a lot of the music was
deleted from the CD. I mean c'mon. I can see maybe a track or two, but they
deleted 7 tracks from the CD.
     I guess I got so fed up with it last week, that I wrote a letter to Poly-
Gram and told them a thing or two. I did it rather tactful, so I'm hoping for
a response soon. Anybody have a good reason why this masacre occured?


                                     -Ed

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             Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - EMW107@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
            Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
 "There are two ways to be, and truth does not depend on me." -King's X
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: COLLECTIBLES: figures' market price
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:31:24 GMT

What's the going rate for action figures out of packages now?

Is $16 (US) good for R5-D4?

Where's the *cheapest* place, mail-order or otherwise, to get
them?

How much is a Millenium Falcon?

And -- a FAQ would be an excellent thing. Someone mailed me an old
one -- why isn't it being posted?

Scott
From: EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Explosions - Just A thought
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:16:13 GMT
Organization: The Pennylvania State University

In article <92203.125140PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, <PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
says:
>
>If there is no oxygen in space, how come there are massive explosions
>when something is blown up? I'm going on the assumpsion that you need
>oxygen to support combustion.
>Anybody else have any suggestions? Just my 2 cents worth.

Certainly...any violent chemical reaction can cause an explosion.  All the
explosion is, is a release of energy due to the combinations of the chemicals.
The oxygen in the pilot's crafts and the fuel they put in their ships can be
excellent candidates for death-dealing explosions.  Not that I'm suggesting
this, but if you were to take some sodium and throw it on some chlorine,
you'd probably better run (I'm talking theoretical pure material here,
before someone jumps on me for it).  Lots of heat and lots of salt.  I
believe the yield is likened to that of those fuel-mist bombs that were on
the news all the time during the Gulf War.

---
Ernie 'SHOKK' Oporto - EAO102@PSUVM.PSU.EDU OPORTO@CORVETTE.ECE.PSU.EDU
Computer Lab Attendant for the Penn State Center for Academic Computing
"Stimpy!  Move your butt!  It's a higher mammal!"  -- Ren
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Doing Darth this Halloween
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:09:41 GMT

>>>>> On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 01:32:19 GMT, markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins) said:

markh> I have the height and build of Darth Vader, and I'd like to
markh> dress up with the full works this Halloween.  Does anyone have
markh> any information on where and how to get the full gear (minus
markh> the embedded controller add-on's which I can soldier and
markh> program myself)??

I have seen a nice Vader mask from the Lusacfilm Fan Club.

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim)
Subject: Re: SCRIPT : NEW HOPE (not very long)
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:30:13 GMT

In article <64396@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7219a@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher Michael Lawyer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.223415.13049@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>
>> ...But Goldstein would have
>>the Lamborghini protected, so it is only available to the rich, his
>>uncle Joe with the Porsche and the royalty income.  Yes, Mr. Goldstein,
>
>It is very rude to assign someone else's viewpoints to your analogy.
>It is worse to do it incorrectly.  That being said,  I will give my
>interpretation to what Mr. Goldstein would have.  Better yet I will
>give my interpretion and see if he agrees with me.  I would have it
>be illegal to try to sell a car that looks exactly like a Lamborghini.


	One small correction: TJ Goldstein was a _Ms._, not a Mr.-- still is,
in fact. But I may as well speak of her in the past tense, since she's not
coming back to this newsgroup.

	People, this argument has gone way off the topic of _Star Wars_. I
realize it started out as a discussion about the legality of posting the
script, but it doesn't have much to do with the newsgroup's name now. Y'all,
let's shut up before this gets more out of hand, shall we?

 
-- 
MUDname: Sidera           "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would
University of Delaware      hate to be giving the wrong impression."
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 12:51:40 EDT
From: <PMETCALF@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Explosions - Just A thought

If there is no oxygen in space, how come there are massive explosions
when something is blown up? I'm going on the assumpsion that you need
oxygen to support combustion.
Anybody else have any suggestions? Just my 2 cents worth.

Peter
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Subject: Re: Non-canon fan fiction ahead (long)
From: crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 21:03:05 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA
Keywords: (Remember, I warned you.)

nlc@vulcan.xtel.co.uk (Neil Cook) writes:

> In article <1992Jul27.052917.16811@udel.edu>, lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie L
> |>      "When did I lie to you? Your friend Kenobi fought Anakin
> |> Skywalker and left him for dead. My people found him laid out like
> |> bracken on the edge of a lava pit, and for a long time, his
> |> survival was a very iffy thing-- hence the indictment of you and
> |> General Kenobi."    ^^^^ ^^^^^
> 
> Not a bad story, but "iffy thing"? Come on, I think we can do better than tha
> 
> :-)
> 
> Neil Cook

Aw, c'mon, if Luke can say, "Aw, gee," then I think we can handle "iffy 
thing." :-)


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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon en route to Bespin
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:44:19 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Jul24.125851.209@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>  
a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> In article <5050@transfer.stratus.com>, jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
(Jim Mann) writes:
> > A month or two at sublight speed is NOT going to get you between
> > star systems.
> > 
> > The explanation I see is that Lucas and company made the classic
> > blunder that so many other movie and TV producers have made. They
> > really have no grasp at how big space is, and how far it really
> > is between star systems, so that you can't easily drop in on 
> > a system "next door" since next door, even for near by star system,
> > is a couple of light years and thus at least a couple of years
> > away at sub-light speeds.
> 
> 	Well, the RPG does mention that most ships with hyperdrives have
> backups -- however, these backups have a very limited range, and need a
> major overhaul after operation (think of them as being like those  
miniature
> spare tires you find in car trunks today -- you can use them to limp to  
a 
> nearby gas station, but not much else). I don't think that West End  
Games
> came up with this on their own, either.


This sounds to me like one of those "after the fact" explanations
someone comes up with to cover a blunder.  Now, I can believe that
Lucas and crew came up with this after The Empire Strikes Back
(someone may have pointed out the blunder to them) but it just
doesn't fit in with what we saw in the movie.  Han desparately
needed a working hyperdrive when he was trying to escape the
Empire.  If he had one, even one with limited range, I think he would
have used it.

--
Jim Mann       jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  Stratus Computer
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From: barker@dmpe.csiro.au ( David Barker)
Subject: Re: Star Wars Soundtracks
Organization: CSIRO. Div of Mineral and Process Engineering.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:41:44 GMT

In article <92203.135902EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (BIG ED) writes:
>
>     Well, I finally got my hands on the Gephardt version of "Empire" on CD.
>I must say, I am rather impressed, though it is not as good as Williams. Find-
>ing this CD has set off a spark in me. I'm determined to find out how I can get
> some of this missing music from soundtracks on CD.
>     Perfect example. When I was 8 or 9, I bought the "Empire" soundtrack on
>LP (a two record set, I must add) and was constantly playing it to death. Then
>when I finally got my CD player over two years ago, I went out to replace my LP
> with a crystal clear CD. Well I did replace it but a lot of the music was
>deleted from the CD. I mean c'mon. I can see maybe a track or two, but they
>deleted 7 tracks from the CD.
>     I guess I got so fed up with it last week, that I wrote a letter to Poly-
>Gram and told them a thing or two. I did it rather tactful, so I'm hoping for
>a response soon. Anybody have a good reason why this masacre occured?
>
>
>                                     -Ed
>

The release in Australia was only a single LP, whereas the US version had the
extra record with a total of seven different tracks (I have this as well).
The tracks were also presented in a different order starting with the
Empire March Theme on side one.  The end of side one had the end titles, and the
start of side two had the main beginning theme (The CD has these sides reversed
in its order). I must also mention that the number of spelling mistakes on the
AUST release was astounding!  For example, they spelt Asteroid as Astoid.  

I do not know why they have released the CD as the single LP version only.

David Barker
<barker@dmpe.csiro.au>
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: SPICE in Star Wars + cut scenes
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 15:29:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul14.182855.23017@eve.wright.edu> cse6b019@eve.wright.edu (MICHAEL KOTLER) writes:
>
>According to the comic book adaptation of SW:A New Hope,
>Uncle Owen did tell Luke that his father was a 
>navigator on a spice freighter. Not a _space_ freighter,
>although it was obviously in space anyway. :)
>
>BTW, can someone tell me why the following scenes were cut
>out of ANH:
>   1) Luke and Biggs on Tatooine, discussing the Empire
>and Luke looking at the intercepted ship through his
>binoculars.
>
Probably for the usual reasons scenes are cut, like pacing, and getting the film
to fit into a certain time length.

>   2) Han Solo discussing with Jabba the Hut (!) about 
>paying him, saying "Why did you have to fry poor
>Greedo like that?"
>
Erm...I remember hearing that they basically ran out of money for the special
effects. They shot the scene with human actors but couldn't afford to put
the monster effects in.

>Michael E. Kotler


Mike
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From: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Subject: Re: 4-LOM and other bounty hunters
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
Reply-To: dkemper@tiamat.hacks.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
Distribution:  world
Date: 29 JUL 92 08:19:50    

In article <1992Jul26.140555.27781@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes...
>Were some of the bounty hunters left on the cutting room floor?
>I don't remember Zuckass *or* 4-LOM. 
> 
>And...
> 
>Where did the names come from? :) There wasn't a roll-call :)

Originally the names came from the novelization.  A lot more info about 
them can be found in the ESB Galaxy Guide from West End Games.

Zuckuss (the only vowels in his name are u's) is listed in the novelization 
as a human; the movie and action figure make him look like some kind of 
alien, and the RPG says he is a droid!  There's some identity crisis 
here...

>What is IG-88's story? Phlutdroid? Where's he from?

I believe he was originally an assassin droid (according to the RPG), but I 
don't have that material here with me so I can't be sure.  The novelization 
calls him a "war droid."

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: When does book 3 of Zahn's "Heir..." trilogy come out?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Jul27.183523.13911@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> <SS.92Jul27163903@wpi.WPI.EDU>
	<1992Jul29.001422.1527@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:08:19 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 92 00:14:22 GMT, jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) said:

jogle> In article <mumble> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
> cuscd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles Dey) said:

>cuscd> there's so much government turmoil going on in the Republic,
>cuscd> how can they refocus themselves into destroying Thrawn and
>cuscd> reforming a galactic unity ???
>
>cuscd> Lets start a thread on the possibilities...
>
>Who says there has to be galactic unity? They can foul Thrawn's plans,
>and give the Empire a bloody nose, and have it end like that. Then
>there can be another set of books, and another, and another.........

jogle> There already is another set of books set after Zahn's trilogy,
jogle> the "Dark Empire" comic books being put out by Dark Horse.

Yes, I know, but thats a comic (a very good comic:) I was referring 
to another set of Book books.....

--
                        Scott Streeter
                        ss@wpi.wpi.edu
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:07:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Jul28.140702.127
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <1992Jul27.154856.7780@cs.unca.edu>
mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>Well, a lot of people, some a lot more important than others:
>
>* Mon Mothma -- *the* rebel leader, after all
>
>* several droids at the sandcrawler, though they didn't lend
>  themselves to figures (FX-7 didn't either, but it was a figure!)
>
>* Owen & Beru
>
>* Biggs :^)
>
>* Wedge (and all the other pilots)
>
>* the spy following Luke & Ben thru Mos Eisley to the Falcon
>
>Who are some others? 
>
>Scott


Governer Tarkin
Admiral Piette (2 movies!)
General Riken
ANH Rebels (with the funky blue/grey unifroms)
Stormtrooper Officers (with the orange shields on shoulders)
General Dodonna
Luke in x-wing pilot gear with no helmet


Dave
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: A Question About the DS and DSII
From: wwpretty@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:21:48 EST

I recently rewatched Star Wars. I got to wondering (again) about 
the Death Star, or more specifically, its' structure. 
Since it is the size of a small moon; is the interior laid out as spheres 
within spheres with a central core. Or is it just decks/levels stacked
on top of each other?

In Star Wars the Millenium Falcon is brought in at the 'equator',and 
Luke and Leia swinging across the chasm, makes it look like decks stacked
on top of each other. As does the DSII as seen from a distance. But 
in RotJ, we also see the Emporer get thrown down a shaft that looks like it 
goes to the center of the DSII. Also the chase scenes flying through the 
DSII to the main reactor, makes me think of the spheres structure.


       Just a question.  Thank you for your attention.

                                                  Bill Pretty

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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Death Star Shields
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 00:19:18 GMT

In article <mumble> sjm8118@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>   WEG's "Death Star Companion" indicates that the first Death Star does have
>shields, although the seem kind of wimpy.  Apparently though, certain parts
>of the Death Star are very heavily shielded, like the hideously exposed 
>throne room of the emperor.  However in the first movie I've generally just
>assumed that the typical Imperial overconfidence led to the destruction of
>the Death Star.  Grand Moff Tarkin apparently scoffed at the offensive 
>capability of the rebel fighters and perhaps felt no need to raise the 
>defensive shields, allowing the turbolaser batteries eliminate the rebel force

Actually, I seem to recall it being said in the first movie that the
shields on the Death Star were not set up to deal with fighters, just
capital ships.  I always got the impression that the fighters were
either able to slip through gaps in the shielding and reach the Death
Star or the shields were somehow inversely proportional to the force
exerted against them (not enough resistance is created to keep out
fighters or fighter-scale weapons but a capital ship and its weapons
are kept out).

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."

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From: rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell)
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:06:36 GMT

In article <9221001.24888@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:
>rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell) writes:
>
>In a universe where the hyperdrive superseded the warp drive(and I confess that
>I think this idea makes perfect sense given the nature of the two technologies,
>and considering that the MF had to use *something* to get to Bespin.) detecting
>a warp ship would be trivial.

If you cannot detect FTL ships, and hyperdrives are 100 times as fast as warp
drives, hyperdrives are exactly 100 times as good warp drives.  The only time
a warp drive outperforms a hyperdrive is if you have the need and the ability
to steer in FTL.  The imperials choosing hyperdrives  over warp drives does
not imply that they can detect warp drive ships.

>
>>For this to work, the imperial has to know where the fed is to predict where
>>it will be, and the imperial cannot know this, or they would have blown away
>>the Millenium Falcon in ANH (lasers were developed from radar microwave
>>sources, no reason for phasers not to have been developed from subspace 
>>sensors, and I cannot imagine the imperials passing up on a potential
>>weapon).  
>
>In ANH, the Death Star had no reason to kill the MF when it first arrived...
>they wanted to recover the droids intact, or at least to know whether they were
>on board, or whether it was another false clue.

The stardestroyer orbitting Tatoine seemed quite determined to get the MF. 
>
>Why would the Impies want phasers?Do you jump up and down screaming because the
>Marines in Aliens don't seem to know about bows and arrows?
>
The battle of the Mutaran Nebula in STII:TWoK is the only time that ANYBODY,
even klingons, missed in ship-to-ship combat.


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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Favorite monsters (was: Re: who didn't get...)
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:34:37 GMT

> >What is everyone's most and least favorite cantina and/or
> Jabba's palace
> >creature?
> >
> >I hated that Devil guy  from the cntina.
> >
> Perhaps that was a Lucas reference to Childhood's End.
> This isnt my personal fav, but I know a lot of people who
> like Hammerhead the best.  Usually because that's one of
> the only figures they remember owning.    
 
I always liked Hammerhead.  And I liked those two green guys 
with the bg red eyes who looked like they had NASA space 
suits on.  And as a kid I was *crazy* about the "Benny 
Goodman"-ish band -- and (of course) Boba Fett!
 
Least favorites inclue, Jabba's band, "that devil guy", the 
greaser with the big sideburns who looked ike something from 
_Space: 1999_, and wasn't there a "grim-reaper"-type guy with 
a skeletal-like face?
 
On a similar note, I always liked LOBOT from clud city -- I 
especially enjoyed that Marvel comic where meets  a crazed 
Lobot during a return to cloud city.
 
Stephen Legge
<SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mn.ca>
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Ben's Age
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:55:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Jul28.135522.127
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

I would place Ben's age about 65-70 years in the first Star Wars. The Clone
Wars happened about 45 years after Jedi, so that would make Ben roughly
25-30 when he fought in the Clone Wars.

OOPS!! Make the above 45 years *BEFORE* Jedi !! :)


Dave
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: What IS the complete list of Star Wars books?
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:21:54 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Jul28.041739.9387@ultb.isc.rit.edu> djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>Besides The Han Solo Trilogy, by Daly, and Zahn's new trilogy,
>what other books are there, and where can I grab them?
>
>I seem to recall a Lando Calrissian series.
>
>Authors' names would be appreciated.

Well, I'm afraid "complete" isn't possible, since they're coming out with
a new series of chidlren's books! Published by Bantam and written by
Paul & Hollace Davids. The promo on the inside is:

The STAR WARS heroes return in all-new trilogies that take up where
RETURN OF THE JEDI left off:

Book #1: The Glove of Darth Vader
Book #2: The lost city of the Jedi
Book #3: Zorba the Hutt's Revenge

and coming soon--
Book #4: Mission from Mount Yoda
Book #5: Queen of the Empire
Book #6: Prophets of the Dark Side

The first 3 books are in bookstores NOW!


-- 
Julie Bixby                        Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Engage Romulan .sig cloaking device....
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