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From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: a new fun thread??..kids looking like parents
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:24:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
>Message-ID: <cindy.152@berkp.uadv.uci.edu>
>
>My 3 1/2yo son has blonde hair, a fair complexion, and hazel eyes.
>I'm of Japanese ancestry - both of my parents are Japanese (born in
>California), and all of my grandparents were Japanese (born in Japan).
>My husband is Caucasian (Welsh to Native American and almost everything
>else in between).  I'm no biologist, but I thought that this was
>impossible, since dark hair and dark eyes are dominant.
>
>- Cindy Windham
>
 
I'm not a genetic scientist (not even close), but if I remember
my Biology lessons, I think there is a 25% chance that your son
would have the recessive genes/fair features & coloring.  Not
impossible anyway.  It gets complicated, but even if he marries
a blond, blue-eyed caucasion lady someday whose entire family is
blond and blue-eyed, there will be a chance that his children will
have features and coloring like yours.  Pretty interesting stuff.
 
TAMARA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bsn@world.std.com (Brent S Noorda)
Subject: BEDWETTING: What made you kid stop?
Summary: BEDWETTING: What made your kid stop?
Keywords: BEDWETTING
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:10:52 GMT

My nearly-nine year old wets the bed most nights.  Please mail me
your success stories.  He really wants to stop now and so I think
we're ready for anything.
  Thank you      bsn@world.std.com
From: jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin)
Subject: Re: Oops
Originator: jmartin@cleomed
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:08:14 GMT

From article <1992Nov12.072231.22310@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, by leeba@mot.com (Leeba Salzman):
> 
> I can't imagine why people feel the need to tell their kids whether
> they were planned or not.  Anyway, wouldn't it be nicer to use the
> term "surprise" instead of accident?
> 
> 

How I answer a query from my (then unplanned) son about this question depends
on his age at the time:

   From a 8 yr old Alex - "Mommy & Daddy prayed very hard to have a boy 
			   just like you."

   From a 16 yr old     - "Son thats not an appropriate question to be asking,
			   but yes you were planned."

   From a 22 yr old     - "You were planned, you just came a little early."

   From a 25 yr old who just found out he is to be a surprise father
			- "Surprises like these happen to the nicest people.
			   Me for instance. About 26 years ago. Worked out
			   just fine"

Jeff Martin



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: Potty Training???
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:43:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.041108.27692@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> chamre@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Craig Hamre) writes:
>
>I have a 23 month old daughter.  She knows what to do and where to go
>potty.  When I ask her to show me where she needs to go when she has to go
>potty, she leads me to her potty chair.  After she is wet then she will
>say "potty".  Is she too young to potty train?  I need some ideas.
>
>Lisa Hamre
>
>
I agree, dont worry too much, she will eventually catch on. We tried rewarding
her with stickers when she used the potty. I took her to the store the other
day and she wet through her panties and pants. What I did the next time was
tell her there was a potty in the store and if she needed to go to tell me.
That cured that problem. 

Also we bug the heck out of her about needed to go to the potty. Asking her
every now and then when she looked sort of uncomfortable. She would aswer most
of the time NO. then proceed to pee a few minutes later. Then she would tricke
a bit and tell use she needed to go. Then all of a sudden she looked up at me
and walked into the potty by herself. 

So I suggest rewards, and continually asking her if she needs to go. Also my
wife takes her just before we leave the house to go to the park or on a trip
even if she doesnt need to. Its a good habit. 

Oh by the way, my daughter is 2.5 years old and is half way potty trained.


*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
*****************************************************************
From: ck270@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrea Von Ahnen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Computer Programs for Pre-school
Date: 23 Nov 1992 05:51:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


An especially cute game we have is by Sierra, called Mixed Up
Mother Goose, great animation.  Various characters from the 
nursery rhymes are moved through different scenes with a mouse or
arrow keys, and for instance, when the player helps Mary find her
lamb, the corresponding nursery rhyme is played, with the words
shown, and the rhyme is acted out.  So on with Jack (be nimble),
Jack Sprat, Jack and Jill, Old King Cole, and about 10 others.  
I'd say it's most suitable for kids aged 2-4, although those who
are younger and haven't quite figured out how to work a mouse will
love to watch while their parents play it.  
      
Andi    (Mom to Aaron, Alex, and triplets due 3/3/93)
   
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: alainew@mentorg.com (Alaine Warfield)
Subject: Re: "New Mothers Room" in the workplace
Summary: 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:15:28 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation; Beaverton, Oregon
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

> The nicest facilities I have seen are at Synopsys in Mountain
> View, CA.  There is a large stall in the women's room which
> has dim lighting a loveseat and a plush chair with endtables.
> The door to it can be locked and the *stall* is carpeted.  Around
> the corner from the restroom is a fridge in the breakroom.

I have to put in a plug for my company -- Mentor Graphics has its own
very high quality Child Development Center.  Even if your child does not
attend day care there, you can use the "Family Room" which is a large, carpeted
room furnished like a living room with chairs, couches, and lots of windows.  
The door locks and there is a "Nursing Mother -- do not disturb sign" you can put up.
Now that my daughter is in the program, I can use this room as a quiet
room to nurse her in or take a nap.  There are many refrigerators throughout
each building, so storing the milk is no problem.  In Kayla's class there are at 
least four of us that nurse our babies daily, either in the nursing room, in the 
classroom, or outside in one of the play yards.  Each of us has a speed dial
number on the infant room phone so that we can be called when our baby is hungry.

My first visit to Mentor was to drop off my resume, and I had my 6 week-old
daughter along.  I stopped in for a tour of the child development center and
was VERY impressed.  I asked if I could nurse my daughter in the lobby, and 
was invited to use the nursing room.  From that point on, I knew that Mentor
was the place I wanted to work.

If anyone is interested in more information about what makes Mentor's child care
program unique, let me know.

	Alaine
From: krages@ohsu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Air travel while pregnent
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:49:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1992Nov19.214940.12256
Organization: BICC - Oregon Health Sciences Univ

In article <9211121435.AA11065@hertz.njit.edu> onn@hertz.njit.edu (ruth onn ece
fac) writes:
>
>What do people know about air travel while pregnant? 
>Specifically, what month do airlines begin to restrict travel? I am
>not pregnent yet, just planning, and want to add the known trip into
>considerations of timing.
>Thanks, Ruth.
>
I just came back from a trip to Houston, Texas (from Portland, OR) and I was 30
weeks at the time I started my trip.  My obstetrician didn't have any problem
with me flying during my seventh month.  I kept waiting to see if any of the
airline personnel would say anything about me being pregnant but no one did, so
apparently they didn't have any problems with it.  Most of my weight gain has
been in my abdomen so I am obviously pregnant.  But the only person during my
travels who even mentioned anything about me being pregnant was the woman
driving the rental car shuttle bus in Houston.

I had aisle seats every time which did help a lot and I brought extra munchies
in my carry-on bag.  The only negative aspect of the trip was my flight from
Houston to Denver was an hour and a half late leaving Houston.  When I got to
Denver, I had five minutes to make my connecting flight to Portland. I ended up
running the length of three gates but got on the flight.  But it probably was
not a smart thing to do since I am carrying an extra 20 lbs of weight and I
also had a carry-on bag that probably weighed 15-20 lbs.  But basically flying
at 30 weeks was fine for me.  (I took a trip from Portland to Boston and back
in June when I was about 10 weeks and that was awful because my morning
sickness was so bad.  This trip to Houston was much better.)

Kathryn Pyle Krages
Oregon Health Sciences University
Portland, OR 97201
krages@ohsu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: frank@trout.TTI.COM (Lorraine Frank)
Subject: Re: Eat when and what you want
Reply-To: frank@trout.TTI.COM (Lorraine Frank)
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:36:23 GMT

In article <1e9evrINNmtg@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu
(Douglas Fowler) writes:
> 
>      This may work for you, but I wonder how old your kids are.  FIrst,
> kids don't eat as much as adults do until they are close to their teens, so
> they will be doing nothing for a little while, unless you have a very
talkative
> table.  Ours always was, but some families' aren't.  It's no fun when you
> sit there bored, and nobody deserves to be treated like that, being made
> to sit still and do nothing while the adults just eat and don't pay attention
> to you.  So, while this may work with older kids, or with a table where
> everyone is talking and paying attention to everyone else as well as
> eating, it's not a wise rule if yours is the type of household where people
> just eat and do nothing else at the dinner table.
> -- 
> Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
>    "Thou shalt love God with all: relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
> thy heart...*and thy neighbor as: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
> thyself*." Deut. 6:5            : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"

My children are 9 and 4.  We have been having the kids join us a dinner since
they were infants.  Honestly,  I can't imagine a dinner table where all that 
goes on is eatting (especially with the small amount my kids eat :^))  This is
generally our time to catch up as a family and find out what went on in school
or at home with the sitter before mom or dad got home.  It is also a time for
sharing special thoughts with on another.

When I was a kid,  I was in a family of seven that had dinner together nightly.
My dad used to play a game at the table of a family quiz.  He was the
quiz master,
and to answer the question you had to yell 'HERE' loudly, Mom would then choose
who spoke first and then they got to answer the question,  5 points for
each correct
answer the one with the most points at the end of the week got to choose
the chore
that he wanted to do that week.  It was great fun.  Dad did admit to being a 
bit tested when we started in high school to make it a fair game for all
even the
littler kids.  Dads favorite question was "What are the five islands of
Hawaii ?"

-Lorraine Frank
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
Subject: Re: Episotomy...What my doctor said...Is this true?  Anyone NOT have one?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:04:45 GMT

In article <srb-171192124610@tarma.jax.org> srb@aretha.jax.org (Susan Dewey) writes:
>"allowed to tear". I told her that a couple of stitches was better than
>10 or 15. Besides, by the time I did tear, the doctor would have had to 
>take one of Zack's ears off to get the scalpal in. I'd rather have the 2
>stitches, thanks.

Just another data point in this discussion, FWIW:

The episiotomy is the only surgical procedure I've ever seen in person.
I had a "front row seat," as it were, for the one my wife got when our
daughter was born on 11/2/92.  As it happened, in her case there were
extenuating circumstances that recommended a rapid birth, so when the
OB mentioned (to me) that she was considering it, I discussed it with
her for another contraction, just to make sure.  When it was actually
done, she used a big scissors and just cut away with both hands.  I
had had this picture of the process as being a tad more "surgical"
than it ended up being...  I've been asking my wife about it every few
days or so.  She used ice in a latex glove and said that it helped a
lot.  She also sat on this inflatable ring, that also helped.  Even a
few (3 or 4) days later, she said it was no big deal.  I was with the
baby while she was being stitched up, so I'm not sure how that went,
but I've not heard any complaints yet.  Oh, I asked her about how much
it hurt to get the cut, and she said not much (she had a "light" epi-
dural at the time).

D

p.s. for the record: Lauren Elise Smythe, 5 lb. 11 oz, 19 inches,
     gestational age was 35.5 weeks, apgar was 9.

-- 
========================================================================
Dave Smythe   N6XLP    dsmythe@netcom.com (also dsmythe@cs.stanford.edu)
From: baldwin@csservera.scs.usna.navy.mil (J.D. Baldwin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kids love TMBG (was Re: Mammal)
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:42:46 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dep't., U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis, MD

[I cross-posted this to misc.kids for the express purpose of starting
a potentially entertaining "Sesame Street" flame war. --jd]

In article <By6IrB.25p@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> hugh@slee06.srl.ford.com
(Hugh Fader) writes, quoting garym@cs.umb.edu (Gary MacDougall):
>: I was just pondering the other night about the song "Mammal" and
>: how wonderfully educational this song is. I couldn't help but think 
>: that it would be really cool if "John and John" could do a sorta 
>: educational album, maybe even a childrens album.
>
>My kids (ages 9, 7, and 4) love They Might Be Giants. They especially
>like:
>
>Turn Around
>Pencil Rain
>Particle Man
>Istanbul Not Constantinople
>Fingertips
>
>Also, they tell me that Particle Man and Istanbul Not Constantinople
>have been played on Tiny Toons.
>
>Do others have kids that are fans?

I have a two-year-old who *loves* TMBG.  At bedtime, if Mom is doing
it, she wants to sing "Twinkle Twinkle, Little Star" and such.  If Dad
is doing it, she wants to sing "Particle Man," "Cowtown," "Istanbul,"
and/or a couple of others.  She actually gets excited at the prospect
of hearing some of these songs.  (She also likes Jonathan Richman.)

I told John F. about this in Baltimore and he said we ought to bring
her to a show.  I replied that they usually start a bit past her
bedtime.  (When a friend of mine mentioned to John F., in California,
that he knew a two-year-old--he was referring to my daughter--who
likes TMBG, he said, "Call social services!")

Unfortunately, she and her little friends are discovering the TV about
now and her aesthetic senses are being dulled by tripe like "Sesame
Street" and "Barney and Friends."  Alas.
--
 From the catapult of:              |+| "If anyone disagrees with anything I
   _,_  J. D. Baldwin, Comp Sci Dept|+| say, I am quite prepared not only to
 _|70|___:::)=}-  U.S. Naval Academy|+| retract it, but also to deny under
 \      /   baldwin@usna.navy.mil   |+| oath that I ever said it." --T. Lehrer
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amy@hubcap.clemson.edu (Amy Slankard)
Subject: Re: A Balanced Diet 
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:07:23 GMT


>And how about putting leftovers away, on the plate, even, and letting
>the child eat the leftovers later? I *do* throw away some leftovers -
>but there's no law saying that things can't be re-served to the child.
>Get soda in bottles instead of cans, put leftovers away - they can
>then choose (if you have a microwave) between cold leftovers and
>warmed up leftovers for their snack or next meal. And serve snacks
>that take little preparation to begin with.
>-- 

>Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
>tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
>                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

> "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
> children become humane and strong."
> 
>              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish

Last Sunday I made a big "Sunday dinner" of which Johanna (almost 3 yrs)
ate maybe 4 bites.  Later as I was putting up all the leftovers she came
in and asked for some of the turkey and she ate several pieces.  Then
she wanted some greenbeans (I told her they were cold) and she kept
wanting another one so I put them in her snack cup and she went off
happily.  Imagine my anti-vegetable husband's face when she comes in
with her snack cup (and her I'm not sharing with you face) expecting
cheetos or cookies and she's got a cup of cold greenbeans.  She 
ended up polishing off almost 12 ounces of greenbeans because she came
back twice for some more "yummy" greenbeans.  

Amy Slankard
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Computer Programs for Pre-school
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:06:57 GMT
	<1992Nov18.205030.3769@col.hp.com>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

how about for macs - is there a public domain place for me to look for
mac educational software?

Btw, we have Katies Farm, McGee (Kathy ran these from 15 mo on),
Kidpix, Playroom (she goes back to it every time her learning hits a
new level) and Cosmic Osmo.

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: JUTTA.LAGE@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Jutta Lage")
Subject: RE: Stay home after water breaks?
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:17:14 GMT

As I am approaching the 8th month I am kind of obsessed with worrying about
the birth. Everything that happened the last time I don't want to happen this
time, but since my mindset has changed (this time I will know what is going
on) I am making arrangements to meet MY needs this time and not the need
of the doctor or midwife or the nurse that wanted me to hurry up because it
was time for her to go home! - I am asking my doctor questions that come
to mind during my visits etc. HOWEVER....there is one thing that really
concerns me: I want to stay home even after my water breaks. The onset of
real labour can still take 20 to 40 hours afterwards. The hospital/doctor
wants their patients to come in when that happens but I am not willing to
do so. I know what to watch out for: fever...pains etc... and I know the
rules I have to obey like not taking baths then and just plain stay clean.
I read in various books that the woman can handle that at home...she is more
likely to get an infection when the doctor starts examining...
Last time my water broke - then they induced me right away! After 38 hours
labour was well underway but I received a pain killer which slowed things down
and after 48 hours I ended up with a C-section. NOT THIS TIME!!!!!!!
The hospital wants to induce after 12 hours... but I am afraid that the
uterus just might not be ready then besides the fact that I don't want to be in
duced again! Did anyone stay home after the membranes broke?
Jutta
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom)
Subject: Christmas question
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:52:32 GMT

 I need some advice from the net.  My husband is very much opposed to the idea of 
Santa Claus.  He wishes to raise our daughter to know the true meaning of
Christmas.  I am not too overly thrilled with the idea, but I will go along with his wishes.
My question is, HOW????  Everywhere you look there is Santa this and Santa that.
To complicate matters, my Mother collects Santa stuff.  She has dozens of Santa books,
toys, music boxes, and figurines.  My daughter is only 18 months so there
really won't be any problem this year, but people are already asking her
what Santa is bringing her.  My grandparents even ask.  How do you tell your
kids that Santa is make-believe without having her be confused by adults who
ask her Santa questions.  How do you keep them fronm thinking all her
friend's Moms and Dads aren't liars, how do you keep her from spoiling
for other kids whose parents want to have Santa??  Is she gonna grow up
thinking her grandma is a looney old woman who believes in Santa???  Isn't
parenting fun?

Thanks in advance!!

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mimi@apollo.hp.com (Mimi Wellington)
Subject: Re: "Winkin', Blinkin', and Nod"????
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:59:58 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA


I'm a little behind in my misc.kids reading (about 1000
postings behind, that is!), so I may have missed someone
else posting the name of the author of "Wynken, Blynken,
and Nod."  Please excuse me if you've heard it a gazillion
times, but...

The original author of the poem is Eugene Field.  I don't
know who wrote the music.  (Field also wrote "The Duel,"
otherwise known as "The Calico Cat and the Gingham Dog.")

                                --Mimi Wellington
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: c9037395@jupiter.newcastle.edu.au (Helen Lee)
Subject: Re: Children in church (was Re: 20/20 and Spanking)
Organization: Uni of Newcastle, Australia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:15:55 GMT

judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

>In article <dlhanson.31.721337335@nap.amoco.com> dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson ) writes:
>>
>>I would also ask why the children, of all ages, are not in the church
>>service with their parents.  Jesus Christ said specifically "let them
[deleted]

>in Children's Fellowship and not in church is that church is geared for adults
>and children find it boring.  I can remember counting the number candles in
>Second is that toddlers tend to be very disruptive to the service.  As a
>parent I NEED quiet prayer time to commune with God, to listen to the sermon,
>to contemplate on my life.  Trying to keep my daughter from running up the
>aisle, screaming, kicking her heels on the pew in front of me, etc. is not
>conducive to worship.  
[deleted]

For our services, parents bring a blanket or rug for their kids to play
on in front (or beside them). But this may be a problem with less-roomier
seating. The children can bring toys or books and maybe sit with their
friends. This seems to occupy them well enough - our services are usually
2 hrs long. There is also a mother's room.
	I don't know how well this would work in places that have a
significantly higher echo-factor than ours, but you may want to talk
to your minister about the viability of implementing these if you
really wanted to.

Cheers,
Helen
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