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From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: Just How Stupid Am I, Anyway?
Followup-To: rec.audio
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:53:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.185337.10261@Csli.Stanford.EDU> glad@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad) writes:

>I've been using a theme song for my weekly radio show, playing about
>1 minute of it off the vinyl.  It's just now occurring to me that
>this may not be the wisest thing to do with a record that's more or
>less irreplaceable.  I haven't wanted to put it on tape for 
>reasons of studio logistics.

>Am I in deep denial?  Will I trash this disk by playing it weekly
>with styli of variable quality?

Yes, you'll eventually trash your record.

Try CARTING the song!  That's what the pro's and other amateurs do.

--Lynn
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From: vallamn@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Taping from CD question
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:07:33 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati


Hi !  I have a question about taping from a CD player on to
a Chromium diodide tape.  When I tape from a CD player
( Sony CDP 241 ) on to a JVC compact integrated stereo
portable ( PC V 88 ) and I find that the tape, which is
a copy, is always a little crisper ( maybe this is a wrong
word ) than the CD itself.  What I mean is, there is more
zing in the tape than in the CD.  Why is this ?  This does 
not happen when I use a normal bias tape.  Is that much
bias added when I use a CrO2 tape ?  How is metal in this 
regard ?

Thank you in advance.

Mohan Vallampati
University of Cincinnati
Cincinnati, OH 45219
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From: gottlieb@umbc4.umbc.edu (Robert Gottlieb)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Looking for Boom Box CD Players
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:50:40 GMT
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County


Hi all,

After reading a few articles on here, I figured this was the
place to post, so here it goes:

I'm looking for a Boom Box with the following qualities:

A CD Player with 8x oversampling
Stereo (RCA) jacks
Phono jack
cassette (don't care too much about features)
detachable speakers
ac for both car and home
bass boost

The main use for this will be when I'm going somewhere
and I want to listen to a CD without having to be near
my car, etc.  Other uses will be as a car stereo
(I currently use a portable CD with a cassette
interface, but the ac jack died on it), and as a replacement
for my home CD player (vintage '86 Sony CD player 2x oversampling).

Any ideas on particular products and cost would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks!


-- 
Robert Gottlieb
gottlieb@umbc4.umbc.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: J&R Music World - My Summary
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:27:37 GMT

fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes:
>I deal with J&R face to face a fair bit, and for these reasons:

>1. They are strictly non gray-market.
*----
How do you know?  I received merchandise from them in the past which
was probably grey-market merchandise.

>3. They are neither rude nor polite, which in this area is as
>   good as you can hope for unless you are paying audio boutique
>   prices.  On the rude meter, where people who answer phones in
>   Utah rate a ten I'd put them around 4.
*----
They have been extremely rude to me.  I won't deal with them anymore.

>5. They have lots and lots of stuff.  Much more than is in the
>   catalog.  They have about five stores on one block, a stereo
>   store, a computer store, an office equipment store, a portable
>   electronics store, and a couple of record stores.
*----
Big deal.  I have a hard enough time getting them to quote prices
on things that ARE listed in the catalog.

>6. They'll probably still be there the next time I go down there.
*----
So will Radio Shack, but I don't shop there either.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio,pnw.forsale,or.forsale,misc.forsale
From: billw@microsoft.com (Bill Wilson)
Subject: Acoustat Spectra 11 speakers for sale
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:35:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

I have a pair of Acoustat Spectra 11 speakers (1.5 years old) to get rid of, they are just to big.  I bought them for $900 and am willing to part with them for about $500.  (blue book is $600-$650).  They are Electrostatic Hybrid, meaning  that they are electrostatic on top, and have a woofer to provide the bass.      You can reach me by e-mail: billw@microsoft.com.  They are wonderful speakers    and have treated me well...

thanks

-------
Bill Wilson
"I know that I do something..."
billw@microsoft.com

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali)
Subject: Pro Logic decoder recommendations.
Reply-To: fag2@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Farul A Ghazali)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:10:16 GMT


I'm looking for a relatively cheap (<$500) Dolby Pro Logic decoder.
The only one I know of right now is the Audio Source SS3. What other
brands are worth looking at, and what exactly should I be looking for
in a decoder? Thanks.

farul.
From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: J&R Music World - Thumbs down
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:37:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I've ordered several times from J&R. Always with good results.

A few weeks ago I even called with a price query...someone here on the
Net said J&R was selling DAT 120s for $5.99 or so. The guy I talked
to on the phone was very courteous and even checked around with the 
other folks in his office to confirm that they had no such deal that
anyone was aware of.

New Yorkers seem no ruder than Californians.
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From: philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Who dat say dey gonna buy dat DAT?
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:05:58 GMT
	<jpl1.714232464@Ra.MsState.Edu> <1992Aug19.164701.11755@wdl.loral.com>
Reply-To: philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
In-reply-to: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com's message of 19 Aug 92 16:47:01 GMT


In article <1992Aug19.164701.11755@wdl.loral.com> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:

      One of the reasons that DAT prices are not plummeting like other
   audio developments is the complexity of the mechanism. The DAT
   technology requires very tight tolerances to squeeze 6 gigabytes of
   data onto a 2" by 3" cassette.

When I multiply 48,000 (sampling rate) by 2 (stereo) by 16
(bits/sample) by 60 (seconds/minute) by 120 (minutes/tape) and then
divide by 8 I get 1.38 Gbytes.  This is still one of the highest
storage densities of any medium.

   There are also some hits incurred by the copy management system and
   additional charges on blank tapes to "offset the inevitable loss of 
   income to the music industry as a result of copying."

A lot of people might not like the copy restriction system (note: if
you don't like it, there is still time to write your representative
and keep him from voting for the noxious Audio Home Recording Act of
1991, which faces only two more hurdles -- the house vote and the
president's signature).

     The thing still makes better recordings than any analog deck in the
   world. And those babys can go for $2000+!

There is no psychoacoustic data to support this contention.  Most
audiophiles would probably prefer the sound of a Levinson/Studer
running at 30ips to Sony's latest toy, but really there is no way to
weight the strengths and shortcomings of each format.  Anyway, it is
apparent that most consumers were able to contain their enthusiasm for
this system.  The audiophiles held onto their Nakamichi decks, the
great unwashed held onto their Technics dubbing decks, and the DAT
decks sat on the shelves.

Philip Greenspun
MIT Department of Electrical Engineering
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: freedmanm@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Opinions on Definative BP10's/20's
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:05:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.180247.16072@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, fkrauthe@vlsilab.ece.uc.edu (Frank John Krautheim) writes:
> I am moving into a new apartment soon and putting together an audio
> system for it.  I was considering a surround sound system, but the
> apt just isn't set up right to put the speakers behind the listening
> area, so I am considering the BP10/20 bipoloar systems from 
> Definative Technologies.  These speakers have an impressive
> frequency response 20-28k for the 10's and 18-28k for the 20's.  The
> price is mid to high, $1100 for the 10's, $1600 for the 20's.
> 
> I am soliciting opinoins on these and speakers for sounds quality,
> imagining, and bass response.  What I like about these speakers
> is that they use a small amount of floor space, are bipolar for 
> enhanced ambience and look impressive with black lacquer finish.
> I am unsure of sound quality, coloration, and other issues.
> 
> I am most likely going to drive with a separate amp/preamp, probably
> Adcom GFA-555 or Hafler XL600.  Opionions on these are also sought
> in relationship to using with the BP's
> 
> Thanks,
> John
> 
> --
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>    University of Cincinnati		 _/ ..  ...    \  life down here.
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> 
> 



I have recently auditioned the Definatife Tech Speakers.  And to be honest, I
didnt like them.  Yamaha, believe it of not uses them to demonstrate their
DSP A1000 (which I own).  I found that the bass response was incredible, but
very muddy.  If I was to own them I would cross out anything below 40-45
cycles.  As far as the bipolar design, I think it makes it sound like your ears
are plugged.  But that is only my opinion, if Fisher Speakers sound the best
to you then they are worth every penny that the DT speakers are worth.  I was
VERY impressed with their center channel speaker.  I would suggest looking at
B&W Speakers.  They work GREAT for movies in a surround sound environment, and
are phenominal for music.  As far as not enough room, why dont you look into
either wall mounted speakers or either the Phasetech, or BA inwall speakers,
they are pretty cool...
						mike.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kester@mte.ncsu.edu (Dan Kester)
Subject: Re: 6th Ave. Electronics--OPINIONS?
Organization: Mat. Sci. & Eng., NCSU
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:24:51 GMT

In article <16e699INN4qn@agate.berkeley.edu> henken@ocf.berkeley.edu (Matthew
J. Henken) writes:
>With all of the discussion of J & R Electronics, I find myself in need of
>an opinion of another mail-order store:  6th Avenue Electronics City.
>
Every few days someone asks this question.  The general answer is:  Stay away
from 6th Ave.  Their products are mostly grey market, meaning they are not
authorized dealers for that product.  Therefore Adcom won't honor the warranty,
and you have to hope that 6th Ave. has as skilled technicians for repairing
Adcom products as does Adcom.  Don't count on it.  Other complaints about 6th
Ave are that people have all kinds of problems with their orders, then have
trouble getting the problems resolved.  J&R generally is considered much
better.
From: p0p4018@zeus.tamu.edu (PREMTHAMKORN, PRAKIT)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Passive preamps revisited
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:01:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.16AUG199211011503
Distribution: rec
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Aug.15.17.42.23.1992.18205@athos.rutgers.edu>, hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) writes...
>I've read reviews in a couple of different magazines (primarily Audio)
>of passive preamps.  The reviews seem to take for granted that due to
>some impedance mismatch that they never quite explained, passive
>preamps will always lose the high frequencies.  So generally their
>frequency response is not flat.  The claim is that they win in other
>ways.

Accoring to my experience, the high frequency roll off seems to be less 
problematic in listening than in the paper.  As long as the mismatch is kept to
minimal and the cable is short, this will be no problem in most system.

IMHO, the major problem with the passive control is the dynamic range.  The
dynamic transients sound compressed and lifeless.  This is specially important 
if you listen to a lot of large scale orchestra.   On most rock, pop and jazz
music, this problem is pretty much ameliorated.  

Inspite of these problems, I found the passive control is the cheapest way to
(almost) the most from your source.  As someone already mentioned, building a
passive control with high quality parts is not inexpensive.  For those of you
who are interested in passive preamp but don't want to built your owns, I 
recommend you give the Reference Line preamps a listen.  These are very well
made units w/ reasonable price.  I am particularly impressed with their model
3000.  At $800 retail, this is more expensive than many active preamps, but
I can't see any active preamp come close to this passive preamp in sonic 
quality.

Regards
Prakit
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Who dat say dey gonna buy dat DAT?
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:12:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.051207.17138@news.columbia.edu>
gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener) writes:

>You could buy an Apogee for $2K, or a Pygmy AD1 for $4K.  These output
>AES/EBU (the Pygmy does, and I think the Apogee does too), so you'd either
>need a pro deck that can speak AES or you'd also need an S/P-DIF-->AES/EBU
>format converter such as the DD FCN-1 if you wanted to feed your $600 box
>with it.

The Apogee outputs both AES/EBU and S/PDIF, so your $500 dat deck (why
buy a good one if you're doing all you're processing outboard?) can
handle it just fine.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio,sci.electronics
From: chris@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Looking for Surround Sound Emulation
Followup-To: rec.audio
Keywords: Stereo, Surround Sound
Organization: NCR Corp, O&D-Columbia, West Columbia, SC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 12:32:15 GMT

This may be a FAQ -- I just tapped into the newsgroups -- but here goes:

I currently own a 100 W Sony stereo system with A & B outputs -- no
'surround sound' capability.  I am interested in emulating 'surround 
sound' using one or a combination of the two outputs.  I envision this
'box' as having a variable delay for the rear channels. ??

If anyone has knowledge of how to do this or even knows where I can find
a copy of the schematics, please let me know (e-mail).

Thanks in advance,

Chris 


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From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: 6th Ave. Electronics--OPINIONS?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:06:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.401
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti)
Distribution: usa
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <16ec8sINN6um@agate.berkeley.edu> henken@ocf.berkeley.edu (Matthew J. Henken) writes:
>...I mentioned that I would prefer to buy from the local stereo
>boutique (for reasons of warranty/support), but would prefer not to pay their
>prices.  ...  Do these shops
>ever have any "give" in their prices when confronted with this sort of
>situation?

Very often they do. I have always been able to get the price down at least
a little. If it is a very snobby shop then showing them the mail order
price might not go over well. In that situation I use the following
technique. I'ld really like to buy this here but I can't pay over $700 for it.
Try it out, what can you loose? If you really want to test them make
certain that you are prepared to walk out. In your case you are in a great
barganing position.
  1. you know what you want
  2. you know what the bottom line price is
  3. you live in an area that has other stores
  4. you want a piece of equipment that is sold by a lot of shops.
-grego
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From: rghoff@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Looking for Surround Sound Emulation
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:47:45 CST
Distribution: na
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Aug21.175750.19592@tin.monsanto.com>, lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder) writes:
> I have tried the absolute simplest surround circuitry, which consisted of
> connect left + output to the LR speaker + and the right + output to the RR
> speaker + and connecting the rear speakers - to -. 
> 
> What comes out of the speakers is stuff that I never heard before...
> 
> While watching Star Trek:TNG when I switch from normal audio to my simulated
> surround circuit, the background sound of the rumbling of the spaceship 
> suddenly shows up. In music videos, the rear speakers have the music only,
> no vocals. The vocals are in the front speakers only.
> 
> So, in my opinion, it works, but I'm sure it's nowhere near as nice as
> using a processor...
> 
> Larry

	Sounds like you're hearing the same stuff I do my prologic 
	receiver. 

	We've pretty always used four speakers on our system (2 BA's front,
	2 baby advents rear) for most listening (music and VCR) and when
	I got the prologic receiver the thing that struck me the most was
	the center channel.  The surround isn't really that spectacular
	on 90% of the movies we see. but the center channel for dialog
	and the rest going to the stereo speakers is IMHO what it's all
	about. 

	The latest Star Trek movie made the most use of the suround (and
	had a very impressive sound track overall).  Another good movie
	for surround was "Biggles".  It seems that the surround is still
	kind of an after thought on alot of these movies. maybe you'll
	hear typewriters all around you in a newsroom or glasses klinking
	and people laughing at parties.  But for most movies it really
	doesn't add all that much.

	I'd say war/action/sci-fi movies benefit the most.

	I'm rambling. I better stop.

	Rick Hoffman.
From: sss@castle.ed.ac.uk (S S Sturrock)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Sony Mini-Disc Questions/Debate
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:18:10 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <FOX.92Aug12091401@graphics.nyu.edu> fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes:
>In article <7490214@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop) writes:
>
>   How does the rest of the net feel about the DCC vs Mini-disc issue?
>   Does anyone think that DCC is inherently superior to mini-disc?  If so,
>   why?
>
>I've only got one question:  Will they have "Serial Copy Management
>Syndrome"?  If so, I'm not interested.

The machines which are being released at this very moment in the UK do have
SCMS.  This basically means that although you could stack a whole pile of
DCC machines and copy a CD onto all of them digitally you cannot make
digital copies of your recordings whether they were of copyrighted material
or recordings you made of the baby gurgling.  Philips response is that
because DCC is digital it is perfect (ha ha ha!) SCMS was needed.  What
worries me about the whole business of PASC or whatever is the ability for
the algorithm to encode and decode then recode as 4bit to 16bit to 4bit
etc.  The Philips bod said that he didn't see this as being a problem but
then I think he has too much faith in the perfection of digital and no idea
about precisely what PASC is doing to achieve the compression.

A review of the Philips DCC 900 states that the analogue sound is about on
average for a 100 Pounds (UK) cassette deck and as such I would be loathed
to abandon the deck I already have, not to mention the fact that the sound
quality of analogue tapes in my car is very good and I don't really care
to tape things for posterity anyway.  As the review states, it is a pity
the DCC deck can't record analogue sound on analogue cassettes.  Also,
since the DCC tapes are nothing special, just ordinary chrome tapes in a
fancy box, I wonder how long it will be before someone circumvents the 5 to
7 Pound pricetag of blank DCC tapes by using ordinary analogue chrome tapes
if you are willing to accept the lack of the fancy sliding cover just as
has been done with SVHS and Hi8 video?

As for MD, well, given Sony as a company I wouldn't like to say whether it
will survive but had the tables been turned and Philips had MD and Sony DCC
I have no doubt that MD would have been stillborn.

-- 
Shane Sturrock, Biocomputing Research Unit, Darwin Building, Mayfield Road,
University of Edinburgh, Scotland, Commonwealth of Independant Kingdoms.  :-)

Civilisation is a Haggis Supper with salt and sauce and a bottle of Irn Bru.
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: wcwang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wei-Chi Wang)
Subject: BMG Club -- Questions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 05:38:52 GMT



Three questions about BMG Club:

1.	Is there anyone can tell me BMG's free phone number? (I know someone
	post in this group couple monthes ago but I just forgot to write it 
	down.)

2.	If it is general for BMG to spend 2 MONTHES to send 4 free CD to the 
	new joiner? (This is my case!)

3.	If BMG also carries LaserDisc?  I particularly want to find some items
	about classical music concert or live performance.


Thanks in advance.


Wei-Chi Wang
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: ziny@nynexst.com (Ziny Flikop)
Subject: metal tape info is needed
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 14:30:28 GMT

Does metal tape cause an accelerated wear of tape recorder heads?

ziny@nynexst.com