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From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Call 1-800-LIV-FREE if you want to nuke Washington DC
Summary: So what are we waiting for? 
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:55:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.073937.15674@nuscc.nus.sg> ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:
>
>This is a direct line to NORAD which, for the next 48 hours, will have a
>B-2 bomber, fully loaded, circling the nation's capital.
>
>If you want to stamp out greed and corruption at the source:
>
>Call 1-800-LIV-FREE
>
>If you want to liberate America from the totalitarian grip of oppression:
>
>Call 1-800-LIV-FREE
>
>If you think that the only problem with the asylum is that the wrong
>inmates are running it, then register to vote this November.

Giving everything inside the Beltway the one-second instant-urban-renewal
treatment is an appealing idea, I'll admit -- but is it a good idea to make
the whole thing subject to the whims of one kid with a demon dialer?  ;-)

-- 
Patrick L. Humphrey  (patrick@is.rice.edu)  Rice Networking & Computing Systems
     +1 713 528-3626 at Rice. 776-1541 at home. 667-6554 at Palace Lanes. 

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: United We Stand, America   (deliverance)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:36:47 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <01GPBQD6Q06800154Z@utarlg.uta.edu> B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU (STEPHEN TICE) writes:
>{ Re: United We Stand, America  (was "... Deliver"), 28 Sep. }
>nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) sez...
>|
>
>|>So discuss the issue of moral responsibility instead.
>| 
>|  No, moral issues are a religious topic -- purely subjective,
>|  culturally variable, and not subject to objective closure.
>|  Let's stick to objective facts:  you want more of my money 
>|  and I say you can't have it.
>
>Ok then. Lets stick to objective fact.
>
>1. Your wrong in your guess about what I want.
>   I want less spending and less government.

  Then why are you supporting a candidate who wants higher
  taxes, industrial policy, Washington setting educational
  priorities, a national health council, etc, etc?


>6. The way to fix the system is to bring
>   in new blood.

  Obviously in the form of bleeding us "wealthy" 
  people a little more.


---peter





Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,talk.politics.mideast
From: bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing)
Subject: Re: Jack S Defends MLKing Slur (Was: ARF DEFENDS HIS HONOR)
Organization: Center for Communications, MCNC; RTP, NC
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:00:53 GMT

In article <BvIAAp.3As@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.030642.1735@netnews.alf.dec.com> harry@netnews.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct1.023319.2619@cs.brown.edu>,
>>dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>>
	Greetings,

	This has to be some of the funniest material that I
have seen in years. Any student of the civil rights and
human rights movement know of Dr. King`s contribution to the
betterment of humanity. Hundreds of years for now he will
still be remembered and honored while Jack and Duke will be
just what they are, farts in the wind.

	Carter


--
 "The oak sleeps in the acorn, the gaint sequoia sleeps in it`s tiny seed,
  the bird waits in the egg and God waits for his unfolding in man."
       Funkadelic                       bing@concert.net 
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Subject: Re: Another Dehumanizer Steps Forward....
From: mlbruce@husc8.harvard.edu (Matthew Bruce)
Date: 2 Oct 92 04:13:00 GMT

drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:

>mlbruce@husc8.harvard.edu (Matthew Bruce) writes:
>] drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>] 
>] >Why does no one ever talk about UnBornGrandParents?
>] 
>]  Perhaps because there is a major difference between seperately-existing
>] eggs and sperm, and already-conceived human...
> 

>So some Potential Humans do not Live up to your
>Personal Standard Of PotentialPersonHood Or What?

Actually, although it is also my personal standard, the standard derives from
what we already know about conception and pregnancy. One a sperm and an egg
unite, the genes from each combine... Rather than bore you to death by
repeating what you (one would HOPE) have already learned in high school health
and/or Biology classes, I'll cut quick to the punch-line: I, as I would assume
a pretty fair majority of people do, believe that life begins at conception.
("But does it begin at conception or when you first get laid?" ---CLASSIC Rush
quote!!! :^)) Various ograns take more time than others to develop, but I
believe I heard once that brain waves and/or similar signs of life appear
within hours of conception. In any case, of all the plausible arguments in
favor of allowing abortion, it's disappointing to see someone resort to an
implausible one, that of denying the salient differences between a fertilized
egg and a seperate egg and sperm.

>I say that Killing off a Sperm is the Brutal
>Cold Blooded Murder of an UnBornGrandParent
>who Might have grown up to save the world
>from the Threat of International Kommunism!!!!!

Can't argue with me, so you link me (via satire) to conspiracy theories?

>And Your Vile DEHUMANIZATION of the Potential Persons
>who Just Have Not Reached YOUR Person Level Of PotentialPersonHood
>merely shows How Depraved and Debased YOU ARE!!!!!

Look up "flame" in the dictionary...

>AS Long as People Like you are allowed to DEHUMANIZE
>any Potential Persons, WHO IS SAFE!!!!!!

Which REMINDS me... as far as I know, I have yet to kill off any of my sperm
intentionally. (If you're thinking up an appropriate response, refer back to
high school biology and kindly DON'T. This isn't "alt.sex") As far as I know,
nobody on the face of the Earth has ever killed off or even found a way to
"murder" a sperm or an egg. True, not all sperm fertilize, not all eggs are
fertilized, but that is beyond our control. What is NOT beyond our control is
what happens when we perform surgery on a pregnant woman to snuff out the
life inside of her.

>ciao
>drieux

Dittos
Matt

>-- 
>Modern Day Problems

>Does that 'answer' your question,
>or should I be a little more vague.
WHY NOT be a little more vague? Certainly couldn't hurt ya...
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From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:08:10 GMT
Organization: City of Saint Paul Public Works

varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney) writes:
> rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:

>> doodley. Of course it's life or it wouldn't wiggle, but human? No way

>        Please define human for us then Mr Walz. And not some madeup
> mumbo jumbo definition that has no basic in fact but supports your claim.

>in hell! Totally without experience, and even before any reflexes are
>triggered, forget it! It doesn't even know HOW to know yet. That's why

>        No reflexes? Have you ever seen a film of a child being
> killed in his/her mother's womb?? They certainly DO have reflexes.

Do you mean Golden Turkey candidates like "The Silent Scream?"  If that
little critter in there is a person and abortion is murder, doesn't that
make "The Silent Scream" a prime example of snuff porn?

Or are the statements, "The fetus is a person," and "Abortion is murder,"
simply handy-dandy catch-phrases that make anti-abortionist pop-
pyschologists feel all warmy and fuzzy inside?

-- 
Chris Lyman  /  email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov  /  #include <std.disclaimers.h>
           "Remember! Arguments should be FUN!" -- Jessica McGeary
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From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Latest Statistics
Keywords: This is from today's SF Chronicle:
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:43:53 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

-Durable goods orders fell in August by .1%. Without the transportation
 sector, they were down 1.3%.

-Sales for existing single family homes fell 3.2 %

-Total personal income fell sharply in August (no stats listed)

-Consumer confidence fell in September for the third consecutive month.

-The index of leading economic indictors fell .2% in August.

	From an article by Robert Reno.

Garrett
From: falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Perot:  If He Runs, I Will Support Him... and hope for the best
Date: 29 Sep 92 10:46:03 -0600
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <Sep.28.21.15.08.1992.3851@romulus.rutgers.edu>, kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:
> In article <1992Sep23.123457.1348@cnsvax.uwec.edu> falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
> 
>> Well, here we go again.  And I'm happy to see that Perot's people
>> still have had enough faith in him to put him on the ballot in all 50
>> states.
> 
> In New York, it wasn't so much that they had faith in Perot, rather,
> they had faith in his money: he was paying them ten bucks an hour to
> gather signatures.

  I'm not responding to this, but the keywords you used, Theodore, were 
something to the effect of:

"You hope in vain, for your head is in the sand."

  Well, we may have finally gotten down to where the government itself has been
for the last 30 years or so, and we don't like what we see.

  So what do you suggest, voting for a fraud?
                          voting for a democratic "dictatorship"?
                          voting for a candidate that will never see the
                            office <except maybe on a White House tour>?
                          staying home?

						Mike Falkner
						falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Subject: Re: COUNTER BLITZ -= Strike out against Pork-Party-Politics =-
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:42:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: utarlg.uta.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes...
>

>adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)...
>>

>>b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)...
>>>

>>>      o  complex voter registration requirements
>>>         (instead of just using state drivers liscence or id's)
>>
>>Complex?  

The next time, I won't use parens. The point is that registration 
is an extra (unneeded) step in the process, since the identification 
methods are already in place. 

>It's pretty simple in Washington, too...  
>The only ID I had with me was a California driver's license.

Assuming of course the existing id system is used for verification
of residence.

So why does registration exist? (More stringent identification
methods considered) My assertion is that every extra step is intended
to exclude someone, and I question the basis of that exclusion.

There are brilliant, witty, and wealthy criminals and con artists.
Why should they have the vote over someone who hasn't had the benefit
of education, wealth, and opportunity? I've known too many good simple 
folks, and twisted elitists, to believe that there is any valid reason 
for voting restrictions on *any* US citizen (*).

Moreso, the trend of the "voting rights" amendments to the constitution
back me up.

So who of you (perhaps yourself Tim?) will defend that intelligence, 
wealth, status, or age are just reasons for preference in voting?

And who will defend the republican veto of the moter voter bill?

>--Tim Smith

-- Stephen   "* - or any resident for that matter."

Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Subject: Re: United We Stand, America  (deliverance)
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:48:12 GMT

In article <01GPBUUP9PWW000IDT@utarlg.uta.edu> B645ZAW@UTARLG.UTA.EDU (STEPHEN TICE) writes:
>{ talk.politics.misc, Re: United We Stand, America   (deliverance) }
>nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) sez...
>|
> [a whole lot deleted]

>And especially for that last item. I understand now how
>the public is kept in chains, and how to overcome their
>propaganda: through computer networks, fax networks,
>personal mailings, talk-radio, and generally any two-
>way people controlled medium. Perot represents the death 
>of the centrally controlled media -- and they know it.

This is an interesting point.  I have long had problems with
the press in this country telling people who can and cannot
win an election.  Or deciding who is worth listening to, for
that matter.  I'm sure our Libertarian friends out there
will agree with this.

For those of you who don't like Perot, perhaps you can find
some solace in what "United We Stand, America" appears to have 
initiated:

   demonstrating that the stranglehold over public discussion 
   of issues which has so long been held and abused by the major 
   media players can in fact be loosened and perhaps one day 
   destroyed

     and

   demonstrating that YOUR opinion CAN actually count for
   something.

If the aforementioned are the only things accomplished by UWSA, 
it will have been worthwhile.

Dave
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell)
Subject: Re: SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR ROSS PEROT!
Organization: AT&T Network Systems  -  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:59:40 GMT

From article <1992Sep30.192607.20868@dscomsf.desy.de>, by hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker):
> 
> I'm not American, I object to Perots demand for Europe and Asia to pay $200
> billion a year tribute to pay for US overspending.

You can always send the troops home and take care of it yourselves.  


"Don't drive too slowly."                 Richard Caldwell
                                          AT&T Network Systems
                                          att!cbnews!nrc
                                          nrc@cbnews.att.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Subject: Re: Quayle and Lawyers
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 06:56:47 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Oct2.184718.21908@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell) writes:


>I'm sure they didn't give him any money for him to run for Senate.
>Or have any influence in keeping him out of Vietnam.  Or use their
>extensive newspaper empire to endorse his election efforts.  (Or use
>their influence to get him into law school to begin with.)


This week's New Yorker magazine says that Quayle attended a night
school part of the Indiana University Law School which was designed
for students whose academic records were poor enough to preculde
admission otherwise.  I seem to remeber reading somewhere that this
was intended as a kind of affirmative action program.  Anyway, soon
after Quayle matriculated, his grandfater made a generous doonation to
the law shcool.


-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner

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From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Jack S Defends MLKing Slur (Was: ARF DEFENDS HIS HONOR)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:33:19 GMT

What I am wondering is if there is some hidden agenda here. Even if
MLK *did* "sleep around", that doesn't make him a "bigot" and a
"dirty old man" as Jack Schmidling (ARF) called him. Hell, we have seen
Arfie lead a crusade for David Duke, who did far worse things than
"sleep around". Kindof makes you wonder why Arfie is willing to
forgive a neo-Nazi admirer of Hitler while being so rough on a great  
man like MLK.

-Danny Keren.

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From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion,alt.sex
Subject: That Legal right over Gambit...
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:15:59 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper

mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen) writes:
]
] The inconsistency I find even better is the Republican attack on Hillary
] Clinton for advocating that children should have legal rights over their
] parents.  This is in exact opposition to giving fetuses legal rights over
] the person carrying them.

Ah, lets start with trying to put your assertion into context:

1. the Unborn are not the Born - a useful distinction.

2. There are certain obligations, under law, that parents owe children.
{this has been borne out in the recent case wherein a child sought
to 'divorce' his parents and seek assignment of said obligations
to the persons who were acting en loco parenti.}

Please NOTE that this is a matter of Dealling with BORN PERSONS.

IF hillery clinton is in FACT advocating something other than
the maintenance and continuation of the obligations that parents
have for their CHILDREN, then it is worth addressing. And THEN
it is a matter of being analogous to the AntiAbortionists position
of Enfranchising the UnBorn to have NEW POWERS over the BORN.
Otherwise it is merely the 'politics of dancing' and a bit of
confussion on the part of the GOP Snipers with regards to
which 'Family Values' clearly need to be defended.

So the initial debating point was simply amusing to begin with.
But Can we also note that Dear Old George, on a Rush Limbaugh
talk show was willing to address clinton's position on the
draft and the vietnam war without Addressing his own VP's
DraftDodge....

And lets not flower up what Dandy Dan did with a bunch of
Bullshit - the PUKE was a Draft Dodger with Nice Pull...


ciao
drieux


-- 
Modern Day Problems

Does that 'answer' your question,
or should I be a little more vague.
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: So lets Get this Straight
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:33:02 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <1992Sep29.023901.25802@jetsun.weitek.COM> nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
>Especially since the Roman Catholics decided that the soul enters at
>conception. I'd like to know how souls split since they aren't alleged
>to be matter - or maybe the African belief that one of a multiple birth is a 
>person and the others are devils is valid?

I think the standard answer is that God, being omniscient, knows ahead of
time that the egg will split, and puts 2 souls in it in advance.  (Of course,
this raises the question of whether or not God sees that a fetus is going to
be aborted and puts _zero_ souls in it ahead of time....)
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
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From: varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:16:34 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In <k-jzy+=@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
>varney@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bruce Varney) writes:

>>>In article <1992Sep25.232935.745@muddcs.claremont.edu> gmeltzne@jarthur.claremont.edu (Manu) writes:
>>>This is not so.  In fact, the majority of people working against
>>>abortion are male.  Publicly they make sure that all quotes come from
>>	Oh PLEASE!!!! Such blatently false statements are absolutely
>>inexcusable.
>Here, have a data point.
>American Life League:
>I have a magazine dated 1991.  It gives the ALL officers.
>The president is female (Judie Brown).  Of the remainder, 7 are
>male (including a Rev. and a Fr.), 3 are female.
>And they list "Medical and Legal Writers and Advisors".  The
>Chairman is male.  Of the other names 15 are male, 1 is female.
>There are 12 articles in the issue.  3 were written by females,
>9 by males (including Randall Terry preaching yet again why
>Christians should not use contraception - any contraception).
>Just a data point.
	
	You're right. Just a data point. It proves nothing. Poll
statistics have been posted time and again on this issue. Maybe you
should read them.

		Bruce
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From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: New this fall on TV ...
Organization: Netcom San Jose
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:20:20 GMT

dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes ...
>What is so upsetting about looking at a picture of an aborted
>fetus?  If the pro-abortion people can say that a fetus is 
>nothing more than a "clump of cells", then there should be
>nothing wrong with allowing children to look at a "clump of 
>cells", right?  Or is this another example of their stinking 
>hypocrisy?

Coming soon on NBC ...

"The Death & Murder Hour" and "XXX Film Review"

No more need to speculate what goes on in back alleys and bedrooms, now you
Can See For Yourself!  Educuate your kids (and yourself!) about all the 
latest techniques of sex (and murder)!  See a woman bleed to death in agony!
See threesomes having sex!  See a teenager blow his brains out!  Seee useful 
sex positions demonstrated for you in the privacy of your own home.

Gather the kids around the TV, folks, and join together as we show you all
about the beginnings AND endings of life!

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "Every improvement in communication
ray@netcom.com                 makes the bore more terrible"  Frank Moore Colby
From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Perot:  If He Runs, I Will Support Him... and hope for the best
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:06:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep29.104603.1400@cnsvax.uwec.edu> falknemj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>   So what do you suggest, voting for a fraud?
>                           voting for a democratic "dictatorship"?

Who's the fraud and who represents a "democratic dictatorship", and
why?
-- 
The views expressed herein are my   ||  Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only.  Do you seriously      ||  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university as  ||  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
this would hold such views???       ||
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