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From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Subject: Re: NC STATE: TWO-TIME NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:42:36 GMT

tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon) writes:

>From article <1992Apr16.000201.24657@ncsu.edu>, by bailey@sparc.ncsu.edu (thurl):
>> jc6t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jay S. Chun)
>> 
>>> Where the hell has NC ST been SINCE 1983?  Lucky Shits? And you and
>>> Wittenberg weren't?  Where the hell was NC St in the 1990 NCAAs? Not in

>> 11 ACC CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! WE WERE ACC CHAMPS IN 1987 AND REGULAR SEASON
>> CHAMPS IN 1989.  WE WOULD KICK YOUR ASS ANYTIME!  WE SWEPT CAROLINA DURING
>> THE REGULAR SEASON, AND DEFEATED WAKE FOREST, BOTH THE TEAMS THAT DUKE
>> *LOST* TO!

>	I can see you are very intillegent by your good use of the Caps lock



So what happened to the 1987 and 1989 ACC Champs NC STATE?     They didn't
make it to the FINAL FOUR did they???    

Don't brag about beating UNC and Wake Forest.  We beat Michigan ST. which
beat Cincinnati in the regular season.  We beat Purdue who beat Indiana
in the BIG TEN finale. We beat Minnesota once, the team that beat Michigan.
So I guess by your CHAIN RULE, Illinois is a final four team if not final
8?   Don't rip on that guy from CMU.  CMU is known for academics, not for
athletics.  You can brag when NC STATE become one of the top academic
institutions in the country (which may be never!)

And once again..

WOLFPACK SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Top 10 List and a Fearless Prediction
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:18:48 GMT
Organization: Kolin Itelly's Brick Yard
X-Bytes: 

And then I wrote:
> Top 10 Michigan Basketball Plays
>
      [droll list deleted]
>
> No...seriously....
> The game played between UC-Michigan only superficially looked like
> the IU-Duke game. If Michigan plays like they did Saturday, Duke,
> even a banged up Duke, will win by 20. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
Hem-hem....

Lessons to be learned:

Coach K is the best coach since Wooden. Like Knight he is a great
believer in fundamentals. Unlike Knight, he does not play basketball
like chess...he plays it like basketball. [I think Knight bores more 
easily and sets up artificial barriers for himself.] If you were a young
jock and had decent boards, unless you really couldn't stomach
Durham (a not unreasonable position, BTW) or Yuppie Larva as classmates,
Duke would be hard to turn down. [The Westwood campus of UCLA was as
much a drawing card for the great UCLA teams.]

For Michigan, the Fab Five thing seems in retrospect to be a gimmick.
There were older more polished players on the bench who could have given
the team a shape and direction.

Basketball is a funny game. The court is small enough that simply by
playing good positioning on the court, a relatively untalented player
can make a positive contribution. I wish I had a tape of one of the
Duke games this year [rhetorically speaking, I mean. Why the h*** would
I want a tape of a Duke game?] where Hurley edged the opposing point
guard over to the side and the entire Duke defense shifted with him, like
a dance. Fantastic teamwork. Playing like a team doesn't happen by 
accident.

So? A real drudge of a final. [I went and saw Roy Blount Jr read at the
library -- Very funny guy. Read his books! -- and watched "The Lady Vanishes" 
on Disney before turning over for the last 10 minutes.] What a waste. A 
so-so semi final, marred by a rapidly tiring Duke team and too many odd 
calls from the refs. And the real cherry of the tournament in the regional 
finals. Give this tourney a B....and wait for next year: Parks looks like 
a comer...Kansas should be great...Michigan will be older...North Carolina 
could regroup...UofL will be MUCH improved...and.....
-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> 
You may think you know what you're dealing with here,
but believe me you don't.
From: currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Tournament Coverage
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:58:46 GMT
Reply-To: currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Apr6.162620.21920@odin.corp.sgi.com>, matt@ssehou.houst.sgi.com (Matt Carey) writes:>
>I couldn't get over Billy (I love the ACC) Packer. He kept repeating that 
>Laettner (sp.) hadn't touched the ball for xx minutes. Who cares? His team
>was winning at that point, anyway. Billy should stick to the ACC.
>
Actually we are hoping he will stay with CBS to get him out of the ACC!
No thanks Mr. Cash.
RC
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:43:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.85824.9214@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>Let me get this straight: Knight suspends a player for shouting an obscenity 
>at someone in authority? Will wonders never cease?
>-- 
>Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>  
>You know, there's many a damned fool woulda swallered that.

Will all of the Knight lovers come to the defense of Pat as well ??????
Well geez, the officer shoulda known that he was Bobby's son.  That should
count for something.  After all he was drunk so he couldn't possibly held 
accountable for his actions.  It wasn't like he was driving.

later,
		---Mark

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: burtonr@qso.Colorado.EDU (Richard Burton)
Subject: Re: knight out at IU
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:50:41 GMT

cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>
> Is Pat Knight the son of Bobby?

Allegedly [RIMSHOT]. But seriously, folks, ...

T-Bone
From: rsmith@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Lessons from the Season?
Keywords: $0.02
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:22:01 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <702917433@flounder.cs.duke.edu> rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith) writes:
>   team next year regardless, and if Grant Hill starts shooting 3's, and
>   steps forward like people think, and Parks and Meek provide solid center
>   play, we'll be in New Orleans as participants.

Not a disagreement but a question, why do people keep saying this about
Grant Hill not hitting 3's. Right now, grant is every bit as good as Stacy
Augmon was last year, and Augmon was a lottery pick(Augmon was better on
D but Hill is better on O and can also play some point guard). You don't have
to be able to make the 3 pointer to be a great player. Hill IMHO is Duke's
best player, including Laettner. he was the star against IU and Michigan, and
will be a star next year whether he makes one 3 or not. Obviously being able
to make the 3 couldn't hurt, but its not really that significant for him, he
can make the 18 footer, so its not like you can just sag off him now. I really
like Parks, but I'm kind of down on Meek, I think he was way overrated coming
out of highschool.



Russ Smith
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: adair@iago.caltech.edu (Adair, Brian A.)
Subject: Chumpness
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:23:00 GMT
From: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com (Brendan Bailey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SHAQ to Charlotte? - NO TRADE for Hakeem!
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:31:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: unx.1992Apr7.183128.3259
    <1992Apr6.234820.28466@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasbrb@rolypoly.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 1429

In article <1992Apr6.234820.28466@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>Teaming Shaquille with LJ looks like a very good option.  Still, if it
>came to that -- i.e., if Charlotte had the #1 pick in the draft -- I
>would seriously consider trading it for Hakeem.

    The Hornets would NEVER do this.  The Hornets organization sees Hakeem as
a big headache salary-wise.  They have already stated they do not plan on
doing anything to obtain Hakeem.
    I think it is nearly FACT that regardless of team that picks first, that
team WILL take O'Neil.
    Charlotte will take O'Neil if they have the first pick, Mourning if they
have the 2nd pick, and probably Laettner if they pick 3rd.  I'm not holding
my breath about being in the top 3 since it appears the Hornets will have 1
less ping-pong ball after they pass Milwaukee in the standings.

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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: SHAQ to Charlotte? - NO TRADE for Hakeem!
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:30:47 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University


My personal thoughts on the whole racism issue:

1. Whether you are white or black, you are still a human being, not to be
   used as a tool to avenge past wrongs (i.e. segregation).

2. Since I am American Indian, I have a right to say that whites and blacks
   have both blown the whole race issue out of proportion w/o bias. We've been
   persecuted for over 500 years!!!!!!

3. It is sad that quotas must be used in order to keep the peace between the
   races. Will Americans ever stop being stupid and merge into a HUMAN race?

4. If black athletes are showing more talent is major sports, does that mean
   that whenever a white player shows that he can contend up to the same
   level, the press coverage he gets is racist?? Excuse me, but I distinctly
   remember a CBS presentation about Shaq during the tournament. What about
   Michael Jordan?? It is pointless to argue about the press coverage, because
   Duke won the NCAA last year. Have you ever considered that the coverage that
   Laettner got was because of that reason? No.  

5. Until the United States shows some sign of social stability, I am NOT
   proud to be an American in this day in age. Something must be done.

6. Thank goodness that Warren Moon is in the NFL! He has the right attitude.














delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu



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From: billa@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bill Arnold)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:18:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Laettner should be suspended
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college

In requesting that Laettner be suspended, I think you have lost it.
The man has a long record of being a great and fair player, especially
considering the abuse centers take game after game.

I played basketball for 30+ years and officiated for 20+ years
(high school and college).  I have never known a player who did
not lose his cool once in awhile.

If you really think Laettner should be suspended, take a look at
what goes on over a season.  The pushing, gouging, shoving, and such.

My suspicion is that a lot of people dump acid on Laettner because
he is a successful and awesome player.  Seems lately that a lot of
people like to hate anyone who succeeds.

Bill Arnold
billa@hpfcma.fc.hp.com
"No guarantees."

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: 1993 Tip-Off Classic
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:17:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.175354.5663@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.202441.2101@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>>
>>	You are right about the game this coming November.  Purdue will
>>	apparently be busy in November - they play this game and are also
>>	in the Great Alaska Shootout with Illinois and six others. (hey,
>>	maybe we will get *two* Purdue-Illinois games this coming season
>>	afterall!)...
>
>Sorry to be technical, but doesn't the Big Ten have a rule that says
>conference teams can't play each other in the pre-season?  I remember a few
>years ago (fall 1988) that in some Hawaii tournament, Purdue and Illnois
>could have possibly played in the finals.  I don't remember how they were
>going to handle it, but it didn't matter as Purdue managed to lose.

	They're both in the Shootout, so there apparently is no such rule...

	Both Minnesota and Michigan State were in the Maui Classic last
	year...
-- 
-------------------------------
| Randy Peppler               |
| Illinois State Water Survey |
| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
From: klund@dumaine.gac.edu (Kevin T Lund)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: IU's comeback.
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:16:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr6.121633.655
Distribution: na

In article <1992Apr6.145432.2918@meaddata.com>  writes:
> Did anyone else notice that it seemed like Knight had given up on any  
chance
> of a comeback with IU down 8 and about a minute to go?  I thought it
> was kind of humorous how fast Todd Lindeman was pulled back out after
> Leary got IU back in the game with his threes.

Yeah, I remember commenting on that as I watched the game from WAY WAY WAY  
up in the Dome.  I think Knight was a tad upset with his players (the bad  
decision by Graham, etc.)  and when he realized that he had a shot put in  
his regulars.  I wish he had kept in the guys that made that great run.

> Also, why the heck did Meeks shoot that three with 15 seconds to go?
> You've got Leary (who had just hit three of them in 30 seconds) and
> Anderson to go to.  I think Meeks has hit about one three pointer in
> his career.  15 seconds was plenty of time to work the ball around.

I think that was a very bad decision by Meeks.  Also, it seemed that Leary  
got gunshy once the game got close, because he had an open shot before  
Meeks took his but passed it up.
> 
> Is the Big 10 going to be the Big 2 next year or what?  IU loses only
> Anderson and Meeks, and I think we've heard enough about how great the
> Fab 5 are.

Don't count out the rest of the Big 10.  J.J. will be back with a damn  
good team, Iowa is improving and will be tough, Minnesota and Michigan  
State will have their share of upsets, and Illinois could pose problems  
with Kaufmann in the lineup.

Hopin' to see the Wolverines take it to Duke tonight,

Kevin
From: navarrer@bionette.CGRB.ORST.EDU (Roy Navarre -- Botany and Plant Pathology)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Michigan Fab 5
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:41:30 GMT
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

Duke played their worst game of the year and still spanked the Fab 5.
Sorry but michagan's performance in the title game reinforces my opinion
that they were over-ranked. You list 3 teams they beat Ok. State, Ohio State
and Cincinnati. So?  All 3 of those teams were way way way way way overrated.
Ohio may be a pretty good team when Jackson is hot, but Jackson laid an egg
in the tournament. Michigan had an easy draw and got clobbered by a Duke
team playing horrible Bball.  I know people were saying the SE region was 
the toughest--IMHO they were dead wrong. In anycase it was an off year in college
ball this year--no region was particularly strong.

I thought Arkansas had the most talent this year, but attitude problems
will kill you every time. I think Michigan will be a super team in a few 
years--if everybody stays. I can't see Weber staying past his sophomore
year if he has a great year next year.

Roy
From: craig@unx.sas.com (Craig A. Simpson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:54:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: sibelius.craig.702762859
    <53935@hydra.gatech.EDU>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
X-Bytes: 591

jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:


>That's right, Moo-Moo.  You have to drive a whopping 80 miles from Lexington
>to reach the University of Louisville campus.  That makes it practically on 
>the other side of the world!

Of course that extra 50 miles cost UK Cliff Rozier, I guess you should
not take someone to a party on the other side of the world :-).

--
Craig Simpson        | "Let me tell you a little bit about
SAS Institute, Inc.  | myself.  I drive a truck, I'm butt
craig@unx.sas.com    | ugly, and I hate spiders."
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From: tshannon@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy J Shannon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:04:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CAD-Research, U. of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa

From article <1992Apr10.191412.15218@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, by abreen@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alex Breen):
> piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
> 
>>	5) Overall.
>>		A good year, back to 20+ wins for Lou.
> 
>      A good year is not a 20 win season.  It is two victories over Iowa!
> 
	Looks like it is gonna be another bad year for the Illini!!
-- 
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|| 248 ERF University of IA tshannon@cadfx.ccad.uiowa.edu ||NCAA CHAMPS||
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From: thartman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy J Hartman)
Subject: All Rookie Team?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:34:17 GMT

1991-1992 All Freshman Team

Name                          School                 Comments
Jalen Rose G                 Michigan            Almost lead Wolves to title
Lawrence Moten G             Syracuse            Big East POY in '92-93
Cherokee Parks C               Duke              Learned great deal behind C.L.
Chris Webber F               Michigan            Could be best ever at U.M.
Alan Henderson F             Indiana             May take IU to B10 title

Top Three NBA Draft Choices?
1. Shaq. O'Neill  LSU
2. Christian Laettner Duke
3. Jim Jackson    Ohio State

I was a bit surprised to hear that Lou Carnesecca retired. I think he is in his
mid sixties.  The best player he coached was current Golden State standout 
Chris Mullin.  He'll light up the Europeans in Barcelona (then again, what USA 
player won't?).

I may be going out on a limb here but the ACC POY in '92-'93 will be Eric 
Montross.  How could Knight let this gem get away?  He came into prominence 
this season and that body will be hard to get around or through next season.  
I'll never forget that first Duke game when he had that gashing cut on his 
face.  The sign of a true competitor.

Any bets as to when the first player from the Fab Five leaves for the Big Time?
I'll go with Jalen Rose.

Threepeat for Duke in New Orleans? At least next year's game will be exciting 
since the Superdome holds some never to forget games.  Just ask Indiana and 
Carolina.

Is Harold Miner opting for the NBA?

Go Bucks!
Tim Hartman
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Congraduate to Duke.....NOT!
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:56:29 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <12005@ns-mx.uiowa.edu>, welin@icaen.uiowa.edu (Wentsung Lin) writes:

{pathetic, rambling whining mercifully omitted}

>Duke did NOT win the Final
>Four.  Other teams just lost to the ref's.

{more crying and big-10 mewling left out}

Sour grapes sure do taste delicious!!!

--Robert Clough

PS: thanks for making all other woofing/whining hoops fans look mature in 
comparison!  The check is in the mail for your services!
From: davidb@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (David T. Blackston)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Repeat Mr. Basketballs
Date: 10 Apr 1992 20:49:29 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: whistle.berkeley.edu
Summary: a pair from Ohio
Originator: davidb@whistle.Berkeley.EDU

Hi all,

Matthew Thorpe recently asked about players who had been named Mr.
Basketball twice in their state.  I believe that Ohio has had
two such two time winners.  If memory serves, Jim Jackson won
it twice while playing for Toledo Macomber, and just this year
Greg Simpson of Lima Senior won it for the second time.

Please note that these are from memory, so I cannot guarantee their
complete accuracy.  I'm pretty sure that my facts are straight, though.

Does anyone out there know when the Mr Basketball award started
in Ohio?  I don't recall hearing about it while I lived there
(pre 1985).  I think it'd be pretty unusual if the award is less than
10 years old and there are already two repeat winners.

Interesting thread...


					Dave Blackston
					davidb@melody.berkeley.edu



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From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ricker)
Subject: Re: OKAY, DUKE FANS... WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:10:33 GMT

>washburn@sparc.ncsu.edu (chris) writes:
>>One question for all you miserable Duke fans out there:
>>
>>What are you going to do next year when you don't have Christian Laettner
>>to make that miracle last-second shot to get you into the Final Four?
>>
>>Just wondering.
>>
>>(If the Pack has anything to do with it, you won't even make it to the NCAAs!)
>>
>>GO WOLFPACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>Chris (Bennie's and Avie's cousin)


The fact that Chris can use a computer really amazes me.  I don't think anyone
expected him to be able to read, let alone use the net.
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: 1993 Tip-Off Classic
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:56:49 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

It was mentioned in the Atlanta newspapers this morning that
Georgia Tech has agreed to play in the 1993 Tip-Off Classic
(the game which starts the season), against an opponent to
be named later.  The 1992 Tip-Off Classic will be played by
Connecticut and (I believe) Purdue.

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