HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: heller@lisboa (Helmut Heller)
Subject: what to do with a NeXTDimension board?
Reply-To: heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:29:44 GMT
Keywords: NeXTDimension, software?, movie, novice questions

Dear net,
we just got our NeXTDimension board installed in one of our cubes (old one, was  
upgraded to 040). As far as I can see the only thing that came with it was the  
installation manual. OK, the thing seems to work and we now have two screens on that  
computer. 

BUT: what *can* you REALLY do with a NeXTDimension board?
What kind of software is out there? What VCR do you need? Does it need single frame  
capability? VHS/U-matic? How can I control the VCR from the NeXT? What else?

On the other hand, the reason why I *wanted* that thing is to make nice little movie  
animations of my molecules (I am working in the field of molecular dynamics). Single  
frame ray tracing, preview the movie on the screen until it pleases me, and then  
play it to a VCR in real time. Something along these lines. BUT: how do I go about  
it? What software is there to help me (I can do the ray tracing on an SGI, no  
problem there)? Does this video compression/expansion work? Software/hardware?

I have no idea on where to start, so any hints are greatly appreciated!

--
Servus, Helmut  (W9/DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail preferred________________
heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu   "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" 
FAX:   (217)244-8371                      ZEN, one of BLAKES7                
Phone: (217)244-6914        -------------------------------------------------
Helmut Heller, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Beckman Institute
Theoretical Biophysics Group, Room 3143, MC 251
From: rmyers@dec5200.acs.uci.edu (Richard Myers)
Subject: Missile Command (new)
Summary: MCommand greatly improved. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Keywords: new game
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:36:56 GMT

This is a greatly enhanced version of missile Command (MCommand
by Stefanos).
Give you something to do while you're waiting (like me) for 3.0.

Here's a note from the README:
Thanks to Stefanos for a great springboard.  Thanks also to
Don Yacktman for the HighScore Object (which I modified slightly).
Both authors permitted me to release MCommand under the GNU copyleft.

Kurt
From: wjs@blorf.cpac.washington.edu (William Shipley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTstep 3.0
Date: 22 Aug 92 12:50:00 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

James W. McKelvey writes:
> Stable?  Yeah, it's pretty stable when the cursor disappears and everything  
> locks up permanently until you reboot.  Extremely stable.

If you're implying that 3.0 crashes often, then you should maybe send a bug  
report to the e-mail address you were given when you got PRx, and tell NeXT  
what it is you're doing that locks up the system.  Or send me some mail, and  
I'll see if I can duplicate it.  Certainly my two PR2 systems seem stable, and  
don't lock up in the course of normal events.

As a wise NeXT sales guy once said, "If it didn't crash it wouldn't be beta  
software, would it?"  Of course you can get it to lock up, the question is does  
it lock up during everyday use, and the answer I've seen is no.

-W
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: brad%raven@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca  (Brad Nelson)
Subject: Re: Amiga 1084 monitor on a NeXTstation color
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:50:04 GMT

In article <Bt8K5x.7xC@well.sf.ca.us> rraucci@well.sf.ca.us (Richard Raucci)  
writes:
> 
> Help!  I'm trying to connect a NextStation Color to an RGB monitor.  Ques-
> tions:
> 
> 	1. What's the cable pinouts from the NextStation?
> 
> 	2. Is a 9-pin dsub monitor connection possible?
> 
> It's an Amiga 1084 monitor.  Possible, not possible?
> 
> Richard

   Not possible.  The C= 1084 won't handle anything like the scan rates
that the NeXT produces.  The 1084 won't even handle non-interlaced 
640 X 400 VGA.

-Brad        brad%raven@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca
From: car@informatik.uni-kiel.dbp.de (Carsten Rathsack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: X11R5 wanted
Keywords: X11R5, X11 server, config file
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:34:51 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Kiel, Germany

I'm looking for X11 release 5 for NeXT.

Can anybody out there tell me how to install X11, if I only have the
standard distribution without a config file next.cf. Has anybody such
a config file for release 5? Are any patches necessary?

Where can I get a suitable server/Frontend to start from NeXTstep? 
 
Carsten

---------------------------------------------------------------
  Carsten Rathsack                        Preusserstrasse 1-9 
  Christian-Albrechts-Universitaet Kiel   W-2300 Kiel 1
  Department of Computer Science          Germany
  email: car@informatik.uni-kiel.dbp.de  
---------------------------------------------------------------
From: alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: music on the CD ROM drive?
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:26:50 GMT

Adam Trent Phillips writes
> 
> 	
>  I am sure that some CD ROM drives do that. The ones at the Cleveland 
> Public Lib. have headphone jacks and a volume knob ! I do not
> know what else it can be for
> 
> -- 


I was listening to the new Peter Murphy album on an Apple CD150 yesterday  
at work and it sounded pretty good actually... maybe a touch of crackle at  
the loudest parts but not bad for a CD-ROM.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: Anyone have opinions on NeXT 17" and 21" color monitors?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 21:10:28 GMT

In article <tristen.714421469@manning> tristen@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rasmussen  
Tristen J) writes:
> Does anyone know if aligning the "guns" in the [color] monitor will do  
the trick
> to make the screen sharper and less fuzzy?

The earth's magnetic field is different in different places. You should  
have the monitor adjusted where it will be viewed.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
I believe George Bush, Anita Hill, and Pinocchio.
From: therbert@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Help - Mail Not Working
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:46:37 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

Another help folks,

After a year of no problems, all sorts of things.  I screwed up
some things by networking, then unnetworking, then making a mistake
and accidentally changing some file permissions.

I cannot use mail with my slab (it isn't connected to anything
now but it will be soon).  Console says "cant open /usr/lib/sendmail.cf".
I have no such problems on an old cube with an external hd.

I can find /etc/sendmail/sendmail.cf as a link to sendmailsubsidary.cf
on the working (mail) machine and as a link to sen

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: bugs@atlantis.uucp (Dan Berry)
Subject: Re: Ramdisk coming for NeXT
Organization: Atlantis Communications, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:55:40 GMT

Scott Hess (scott@nic.gac.edu) wrote:
: Could anyone elaborate on any and all performance improvements
: noted?  My sneaking suspicion is that this is like memory upgrades
: from 16M to 32M - 8M to 16M is obvious, but it took me around a
: month to really realize that the 32M was quite a bit better than
: the 16M.

{munch}

: In any case, I noted _no_ difference in compilation speed.  The
: CPU utilization appeared to be slightly better with more buffers,
: but it's not really enough that I'd be confident in recommending
: pumping the values up too high.  64 would probably be great, but
: higher values didn't seem to help very much at all.  Of course,
: this might all be a result of something else entirely - but I'm
: tired of rebooting my computer, so we won't find that out from me ...

I happen to feed a large amount of UUCP news/mail -- about 45.66M just for
yesterday alone.  When C-news gets going -- batching, sending, sorting and
compressing -- there's a LOT of SCSI action.  I applied the patch to try it
out, and I felt that it did _marginally_ help.  I only have 20M RAM on my
NSmono.  It helped to speed up the VM swapping a bit, and allowed the programs
I was running faster access (despite all the news activity).

Your mileage may vary.
-- 
Dan Berry == President, NeXT Edmonton Owners Network / UofA Computers Tech.
	bugs%atlantis@cs.ualberta.ca (bugs@atlantis.uucp) *** NO NeXTmail! ***
"On a first date, watch how your date treats the waiter, the bartender,
	and so on.  That's how she'll be treating YOU after three months."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tjb@strangeways.unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker)
Subject: Re: Anyone have opinions on NeXT 17" and 21" color monitors?
Reply-To: tjb@strangeways.unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker)
Organization: Baker Consulting  -  Dover, NH
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:36:22 GMT


Just to add a data point...

I had a few friends over the other day for a NeXT demo.  They're avid  
Amiga users and we all have DECstation 3100s on our desks at work with  
Sony 19" monitors.  I used Scene to put the pacman.tiff that was recently  
posted to sonata up on the root window and the both commented on how sweet  
the monitor was.  I concur.  My 21" NeXT monitor compares quite favorably  
to the Sony on my desk.  I'll admit I've never sat them side by side but I  
do work all day on one and all night on the other...

tjb

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+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Thomas Baker        Director of the New Hampshire NeXT User Group | 
| P.O. Box 213           Internet/NeXTmail: tjb@strangeways.unh.edu |
| Durham, NH 03824                   Voice: (603) 743-4987          |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tswan@trirex.com (Todd M. Swan)
Subject: Re: NEW KEYBOARD!! HURRAY!
Reply-To: tswan@trirex.com
Organization: Trirex Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:15:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug8.055643.24650@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P.  
Scott) writes:
> In article <BsDts6.1oB@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@uiuc.edu
> 	(David Lemson) writes:
> >the new keyboards/keyboard drivers are going to be Apple Desktop Bus
> >(ADB) compatible.  Meaning that you can buy one of the many
> >Apple-compatible keyboards and use it.
> 
> Translation: meaning that *ssh*le software vendors would be
> encouraged to proliferate ADB-dongle "copy protection."
> 
> Let's hope this is yet another unfounded (and inaccurate) rumor.

Count on seeing this one.  I've seen very good evidence of this.  It's  
not that hard to find.  Look around... :-)

Todd
--
  "We're only immortal,   | Todd M. Swan
  for a limited time..."  | tswan@trirex.com (NeXTmail)
    -- Neil Peart,        | Trirex Systems, Inc.
    "Dreamline," Rush     | New York, NY - Westport, CT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tholland@pars.skidmore.edu (Anthony Holland)
Subject: 3.0 Upgrade--include LISP, MATHEMATICA&IMPROV ??
Keywords: upgrade
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:51:01 GMT

Does anyone know....you beta user types out there....
when we upgrade to 3.0, do we still get lisp, mathematica and improv ? Or  
atleast are we given an option to prevent them from being destroyed during  
the upgrade process ?  Thanks

Anthony Holland
NeXT Campus Support
Music Department
Skidmore College
Saratoga Springs, NY 12866
From: conrad@socrates.ucsf.edu (Conrad Huang%CGL)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTstep 3.0
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:56:00 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

songer@lexmark.com (Christopher Songer) writes:

>nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes:
>>
>>Given the choice, I would have had NeXT make separate
>>(later) releases of the new packages (dbkit, 3D stuff,
>>etc) and just work on getting the stable base release out
>>on time. 

The problem with releasing packages individually is that you have to make
sure each released package is compatible with both the previous and the new
releases of other packages.  That may actually be more work than making one
giant release.  In the case of 3.0, because there are so many completely
new packages, this strategy may have worked.  But it's all moot now.

>I'd have to agree with this. My current assumption is that 3.0 is likely
>to be pretty unstable -- I think I'm going to wait for 3.1. If this does
>in fact come to pass (I'd like to be wrong) then Next seems to be making 
>a habit of this. (I'm sure everyone recalls how stable 2.0 was :) Next
>has great software, but the base has to be stable for it to be usable.

I have to say that 3.0PR2 is one of the most stable beta software release
that I have ever come across (and I've seen lots).  There *are* bugs, but
they are so minor (for my purposes) that I can use it on my production
machine everyday (which I do).  I expect 3.0 to be shipping soon and very
solid the first time 'round.

Conrad
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: mneideng@thidwick.acs.calpoly.edu (Mark Neidengard)
Subject: Unix ZIP (sorry)
Organization: Academic Computing Services, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:23:49 GMT

Well, I seem to have omitted something of interest to many people
(considering the number of mail messages I've received).  The directory to
find the zip source on the GNU cluster is the /rs6000 directory.  The files
zip-1.80g.zip and unzip-5.0m.tar.Z should be there (they are as of 3:20 PST
on 8/14).  Good luck!

Mark Neidengard
mneideng@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
"All right, we'll call it a draw."
	Monty Python,  Quest
	 for the Holy Grail
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: bfriedma@bfriedman-ss2.cisco.com (Barry Friedman)
Subject: Re: Legal Size Faxes don't print
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message are those of an
	      individual at SRI International, and do not necessarily
	      reflect those of the company.
Keywords: Fax, Legal Size, Print
Reply-To: bfriedma@cisco.com (Barry Friedman)
Organization: cisco Systems, Inc., Menlo Park, Ca.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:37:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.173739.8191@ridgeback.com> zulu!errol (Errol) writes:
>Hi,
>
>Anyone able to correctly print a Legal size Fax received into their NeXT  
>onto Legal size paper? 
>
>The only way that I have made it work is by scaling the image about 70%  
>then printing on letter size paper. If I do not scale it, it always seems  
>to chop off the top 2-3 inches.
>
>Is there some trick that I am missing? Yes I set the Page layout to Legal  
>size when trying to print to legal size paper.
>
>Errol Ginsberg
>errol@ridgeback.com

When the print panel appears, try changing the paper feed from
Cassette to Manual. Sounds wierd, but it worked for me.

Barry Friedman

Barry Friedman    | bfriedman@cisco.com                                   
Software Engineer | From Infoworld, Feb 10, 1992: "MS-DOS 5.0 has resecured
Cisco System Inc. | Microsoft's place as the reigning OS developer" HAHAHA...
Error reading the end of this message: Abort, Retry, Fail?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman)
Subject: Can SoftPC access a NeXT CD-ROM drive?
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:32:29 GMT

Please let me know ASAP, as I'm trying to decide whether to buy
SoftPC or getting a CD-ROM drive for my PC.

Thanks,
Fredrik

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: pirla@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks)
Subject: Alternate keyboard
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:06:05 GMT

Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Keywords: 


Does anyone know if NeXT will produce a keyboard with Page Up etc., extended type?
I read something about an odd keyboard in the works...

rdelucca@rosemary.uucp.jhu.edu
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Diagram Palettes
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:35:02 GMT

In article <BsIs2H.4J9@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> ksbrain@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Kevin  
Brain) writes:
> I submitted these to the submissions directory at sonata.cc.purdue.edu

Those are neat!  They're now in
next/graphics/data/Diagram.  I'm planning on more
graphics/data directories for files like that. 

ab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: basiji@milton.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Subject: Re: NeXTstep 3.0
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 18:19:31 GMT

wjs@blorf.cpac.washington.edu (William Shipley) writes:

>James W. McKelvey writes:
>> Stable?  Yeah, it's pretty stable when the cursor disappears and everything  
>> locks up permanently until you reboot.  Extremely stable.

>If you're implying that 3.0 crashes often, then you should maybe send a bug  
>report to the e-mail address you were given when you got PRx, and tell NeXT  
>what it is you're doing that locks up the system.  Or send me some mail, and  
>I'll see if I can duplicate it.  Certainly my two PR2 systems seem stable, and  
>don't lock up in the course of normal events.

>As a wise NeXT sales guy once said, "If it didn't crash it wouldn't be beta  
>software, would it?"  Of course you can get it to lock up, the question is does  
>it lock up during everyday use, and the answer I've seen is no.

>-W

Mine locks up sometimes when I use the color panel.  If I wait about
2 minutes, things start moving again.  My clock also loses about 10 min
per day.

Anyone else notice these probs?

David Basiji

-- 
David Basiji 
"C neophyte, Bioengineering Grad Student, Internet Personality"

email: basiji@u.washington.edu          
NeXTmail: basiji@larry.pathology.washington.edu

		"Whining is just anger coming out of a very small hole."
            --Stuart Smalley
From: jtn@ADS.COM (John T. Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.apps,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Problem with "vi" and UCB mail on NeXT!
Date: 18 Aug 92 03:28:39 GMT
Organization: Guest of Booz, Allen & Hamilton, Inc./Advanced Decision Systems

I've run into a VERY strange bug while using "vi" and UCB mail
on the NeXT.  Let's say I'm composing a message in UCB mail
and now I type "~v" to get into "vi."  Now I edit this message
and type "ZZ" to exit.  Now I'm back out in mail and I type
"~p"....

and the message is gone!

The same thing happens if I originate the message text in "vi".
I exit with "ZZ" and the text isn't there.  And it REALLY isn't
there because mail then complains with a null message body warning.

And yes I get the same problem if I do a "~r" of an already existing
file.  UCB mail reports that it read x number of bytes and then I do a
"~r" and the bytes simply aren't there.  So this shows its not even a
"vi" related problem, but one with NeXT's version of UCB mail (or
something wierd at my site)!

"df" reports that all my partitions have enough disk space so that
isn't a problem.  Anybody else have the same problem?

- Hacker
--
Dark Hacker				hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us

"I am the very instantiation of object oriented evil!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: Squash
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 18:03:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.072426.25866@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P.  
Scott) writes:
> Trusting one's data to a proprietary (and unique) scheme strikes
> me as incredibly foolish.  Using it for software distribution is
> questionable at best.

Why then, Eric, did you put the UI guidelines out for ftp in Squash  
format? I expected you to unSquash them, tar them, and compress them. 

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
Dan Quayle needs a new running mate.
George Bush undermines his chances of being re-elected Vice President.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dleon@seas.smu.edu (David Leon)
Subject: Services unmountable
Organization: School of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:01:17 GMT

I am running ver 2.0 of the OS.  I have invoked the make_services
command from a shell.  Only some of the programs which offer themselves         

as a service show up in the services menu.  Most notable missing are            

the mailhelper and related services.  I have mailhelper located in              

/LocalApps/Communications.  This app is in a directory which contains           

various apps that do show up in the services menu.  I tried deleting            

.applist and .cache from /dleon/.NeXT/services and then invoking                

make_services, only to have the same handful of apps show up.  I later tried
dwrite Workspace ApplicationPaths "~/Apps:/LocalApps/Communications:/LocalApps/G

raphics:/LocalApps/Misc:/LocalApps/Utilities:/LocalApps/WordProcs:/NextApps:/dle

on/Apps"

and then make_services.  Again, only a few select services showed up.  If
anyone can figure this one out, please let me know.  

David L. Leon
dleon@seas.smu.cis
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: (?) Seeking *ANY* docs for Icon.app
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:01:48 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug21.190150.19469@cs.uno.edu>
emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy) writes:

>so... the way i figure it, somebody has had to ask this question before.  
>that being the case, if there are any previous references, i'd appreciate  
>a pointer to them. otherwise, does anyone know of *any* documentation for  
>Icon (i realize it's an unsupported App, so of course i'm speaking of  
>un-NeXT-official docs).

Have you checked the archive sites?  I believe they have
everything I have.  If not, anonymous ftp (and please use
good manners and use your email address as the password,
just like the nice prompt suggests) to yak.macc.wisc.edu
[144.92.30.18], directory pub/next/icon and check the README
there.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: kkroeger@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Keith Kroeger)
Subject: Objective C
Summary: Books
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:53:20 GMT


Can anyone email me some titles of good books on objective C?
I need some good "how to" books to aid in the use of
Interface Builder.

kkroeger@uiuc.psych.edu

Keith Kroeger
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Subject: Re: A NEW tar&compress FRONTEND....
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:23:35 GMT


Mark Neidengard suggests:

>> the world) but you might wanna check out the new versions of the Unix zip
>> and unzip (1.80g and 5.0m, respectively) which support the deflate algorithm.

Patience, patience.  Those are beta versions.  The final release versions
will be out in a week or so.  When they are ready, I will put them on the
usual NeXT sites, along with compiled versions for our cc'less compatriots.

>> These programs are THE tightest unix compression available....MUCH more so
>> than the Unix compress.

Yes, zip is rather a lot better than Unix compress.  However, there are
better compressors available, if you have lots of memory and are willing
to wait.  Zip has the advantage of running with speeds comprable to
compress.  Programs like Squash and comp-2 will (almost always) compress
better than zip, and run much much slower.  They also decompress in
about the same time they take to compress.  Unzip decompresses quite a
bit faster than zip compresses.

I use Squash for long-term archiving, but I use zip for moving stuff
across machines (or even continents).

Mark Adler
madler@tybalt.caltech.edu
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