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In rec.arts.startrek.current, holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland) writes:
> Alien, Red Dwarf, Dr. Who, and, to a degree, Star Cops at least had interesting
> stories.  Space Rangers' plot was so feeble that I started reading a magazine
> after about fifteen minutes or so.  One glance at the screen every few minutes
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> was more than enough to follow what was going on.  

I admire your tolerance.  I had to struggle to keep watching for 10
minutes or so, and I managed that only because of the friendly female
computer voice's remark when someone started beating on a control panel
to get it to work: "Please do not strike the equipment..."  I kept
hoping for another faint indication that the writers at least had a
sense of humor, but of course it never came.

> It's too bad really because this show will fizzle and the networks will say
> "See.  Sci-fi isn't popular enough to be on tv."

I don't think they're quite that stupid.  I think they just have huge
dollar bill signs in their eyes, and if they can't make something as
cheaply and get as many viewers as they can with Yet Another Sitcom,
they'll scrap it and air the Yet Another Sitcom.  Odds are they
succeeded in making Space Rangers as cheaply, since the cost of the
FX was offset by their not hiring any real writers or actors.
And if it hadn't been for all of the other new sci-fi shows coming out
around now, it might have gained as large an audience as Yet Another
Sitcom -- not people interested in sci-fi, but people that just want
to watch something "different," no matter how bad it is.

By the way, I didn't recognize any of the production staff names.
Was this really, as it appeared to be, their first attempt to produce
a TV show of *any* type, or had they done something previously?  (Not
that I would want to watch it if they had; I'm just curious.)

-- Richard
From: chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TROI GIF
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:05:00 GMT
Reply-To: chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Outland BBS  UUPCB  403-475-9588

Well, I talked to the sysop of my netserver this evening and it was
recommended to me that since there have been many requests for the GIF
of Marina Sirtis I have discussed, it might be good to just upload it
here, the board on which I get my net access. The board is called The
Outland, and the number for it is 403-475-9588, 403-478-3295, or
403-478-4010, 24hrs/day. The file is named "M-SIRTIS.GIF" and is located
in area 1, free downloads for those interested. There will also be a GIF
of Denise Crosby (who portrayed Lt. Yar) in there as well, under the
filename NUDEYAR.GIF (I believe). Thanks to all those who showed
interest in the GIF.

Chris Burgess
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From: jdelisle@udel.edu (J. G. Delisle)
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:35:00 GMT

In article <cboerm48.726423425@ursa>, cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes...
>det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:


[spoilers for DS9 ahead]


> 
>    1) If he's only imitating human form (humanoid isn't his natural
>       shape I'm told) why isn't he more human looking??
	
	At OktoberTrek, Majel Barret had some DS9 spoilers. Regarding Odo,
she said that his current form is as close as he can get to humanoid (well,
actually Bajoran). Also, he can't make his humanoid form look younger. He
took humanoid form so that he could learn more about those around him and be
treated like "one of the guys".

>    2) Just a question really, Is he a member of StarFleet? Or just the
>       local law enforcment of the Space Station? And if he's not in 
>       SF, who pays his wages?

	From what I remember, he's part of the Station's own security, not
Starfleet, but he will remain in charge of security. 
	Wages? They don't use money in the 24th century! Seriously, I assume
that the owners of DS9 pay his wages from the money they get from renting out
the Promenade (sp).

	Joe Delisle

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From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
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Subject: Linear Time
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:44:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: uacsc2.16B54971A.JC924
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222

All right, I've waited long enough; I need to add my "two cents" to the
linear time argument.  The key to the whole thing, as a previous poster
indicated, is the aliens' final comment to Sisko -- "Why do you exist HERE?"
and Sisko's insight into what the aliens were trying to say and into what
his personal problems were.  You have to shift your focus from Physics to
Psychology.  All of our experiences exist simultaneously in our minds.
That is not to say that we experience them all at the same time, but that
we can jump from one to another in no particular order and they all
influence us all of the time.  Even as Sisko was carrying out his regular
activities, in some sense he was still on the Saratoga as it was being
destroyed.  So, we can infer that the aliens experience reality in the
same way.  Their experiences exist simultaneously and they can
shift between them at will.  That does not mean that new experiences aren't
added to this mix, we continuously add new memories to our mental reality
and reinterpret old ones.  It may very well be that our perception of time
and reality is a defective one, perhaps based on some accident in our
evolution.  We don't even know if other species on our planet experience
time the same way we do.
 
If anyone out there thinks that we know everything there is to know about
the universe, they are amazingly naive.  We are just beginning to understand
the complexity of the universe and to scratch the surface of explaining the
nature of the universe.  The laws of physics we have today may, in fact,
hold true 400 years from now; but, by then they may appear as primitive
as alchemy does to us today.  To say in the 20th. century that something
is impossible in the 24th. century is stupid.  It reminds me of the
leading scientist of 1880 who suggested that the US Patent Office be
closed because everything had already been invented.
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DAX in Starfleet?!?
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:22:39 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1993Jan12.131553.947@whscdp.whs.edu> stdnt171@whscdp.whs.edu (-=THE JESSTER=-) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.113024.1@pearl.tufts.edu>, rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu writes:
>> 
>> As to "transporter class," there's no mention of such a thing in any Trek
>> episode of which I'm aware, except for an engineering theory course mentioned
>> in "Realm of Fear."  What's more, Barclay explicitly stated in "Realm of Fear"
>> that he'd never been through a transporter before, so presumably there's no
>> Starfleet regulation that cadets or officers have to be transported on any
>> occasion.
>> 
>
>I'm surprised they don't just program the transporter bio-filters (I think
>that's what their called) to recognize Dax as two beings and transport her/it
>that way.  Of all the weird stuff they've done on Trek this doesn't sound too

	Actually, I bet that's what they did.  They didn't know much about
Trills in "The Host"; maybe with that knowledge the change was a fairly simple
one, which Odan wouldn't know because damnit Jim, he's a diplomat, not an
engineer.

	Next time you're nitpicking on continunity, remember:
	(1) Not all scientific, engineering, and medical breakthroughs are
		made on the Enterprise or Deep Space Nine
	(2) Not all upgrades to systems and knowledge are necessarily
		specifically mentioned.
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From: harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Emissary *** SPOILERS ***
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:58:51 GMT

00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.154331.12899@neb>, prp@neb (Paul Peterson) writes:
>> ***WARNING***
>> This post contains spoilers for Emissary, the 2-hour premiere of DS9.
>> If you haven't seen it yet, be warned.
>>  
>> 
>> 5)  Best line in the episode had to be when Sisko was trying to 
>> talk Quark into staying on the station and rebuilding.  This is
>> paraphrased from memory and may not be totally accurate.
>>    Sisko:  We need you to become a community leader.
>>    Quark:  Me? A community leader?
>>    Odo:    Why not?  You have all the character references
>>            of a politician.

>I liked when Sisko first met Kira... 
>Kira:  I suppose you want the office
>Sisko: Well, I was going to say hello first then take the office but
>	we can do it either way (or something like that... It's been 
>	nearly a week since I saw it)

Oh, but Kira's reply was the best part: "Hello," about as
sarcastically as the word can be said. ;)

At that point I knew she'd be a satisfactory replacement for Michelle
Forbes (aka Ensign Ro Laren).  And seeing as Ro is one of my favorite
TNG characters, that's saying a lot.
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From: jem@cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley)
Subject: DS9: Bajoran spaceflight
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:43:23 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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Which might be subtitled, "Why Don't the Bajorans Own the Universe?"

In the DS9 premiere episode, "Emmissary," I recall several lines of
dialogue which seem to add up to the following "scenario facts":

     1. The glowing artifact shown to the commander by the "high
	priestess" was one of nine similar objects found, as she says,
	"in our skies."

     2. The objects had been discovered over the course of 10,000 years.

     3. Several of them were discovered in space near the "stable
	wormhole."

Now, unless one or more of the artifacts simply fell out of the sky to
the surface of Bajor, this means that the Bajorans were a space-faring
species for a long, long time; perhaps twenty times as long as humans.
Now, the Bajorans may be a testy and hard-luck lot, but they are
hardly stupid.  Could they have been active in space for so long and:

     a. not have developed warp drive before the Federation?

     b. missed the wormhole while exploring its vicinity?

     c. failed to beat the living shit out of the Cardassians in space
	before the buggers ever arrived at Bajor?

Just seems curious...

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From: rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh)
Subject: DSN - questions, poss. spoiler
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Summary: water bridge, actor
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:30:43 GMT

Here's a question for all you TV buffs out there who have already seen DSN...

The bridge that the commander and his son are sitting on - does this look
familiar to anybody else. I will swear that this is the same bridge and
waterway used in multiple episodes of "Little House on the Prairie." (No
flames, please. I watched it in my youth. You know, young innocence and all...)

And, I am sure that the man who played Gul Ducat (sp?) also played Gul Maset
in a previous episode of ST:TNG. I need to have this confirmed and have the
name of the actor, please.

Respond as seen fit.

David Rodabaugh                   rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Senior, Mechanical Engineering
The Ohio State University
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From: cjwein@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Chris J. Wein)
Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:35:03 GMT

In article <79432@hydra.gatech.EDU> cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:
>All this discussion of Vulcan Captains is a waste!  Everyone knows
>that Vulcans lack the essentials necessary for command.
>

I also don't think that the Captain of the Saratoga was the same as
the one in the Academy episode. At first I thought so but his voice
is definitely different.  The Vulcan on the Academy episode is the same
actor which plays Elaine's boss on Seinfeld (he is the guy who fires
George for having sex with the cleaning lady on his desk).  Anyway, he
has a distinctive nasal voice and was not the same actor as the
vulcan captain. 

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Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
From: <JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 6 Jan 1993 16:44:40 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

>Can someone please give specific examples of when a female superior
>officer was referred to as "sir" by a crew member?  Was this ever done
>in the original series or in the movies?  I know it's been done on TNG
>but I can't remember specific instances.

  In Wrath of Khan, Saavik is referred to as "Mr. Saavik" severaltimes
by both Kirk and Spock.

  It seems that these are terms that are hold overs from Earth's naval
forces, which have remained as ways of referring to officers, while
losing their gender reference.
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From: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 Good show -- borring theme (No spoilers)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 04:15:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cq377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David C. Williss)
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I just saw DS9, and ... is it just me, or does the opening theme
reeeelllllyyyy drag?  The show is excellent, but needs a better theme.
I saw the  suggestion for a theme to the tune of Gilligan's Island, and
it would be better.  Any other suggestions?
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: Galaxy-class Starships
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:04:43 EST

 -=> Robert Oliver babbled to All and look what he/she said! <=-

 RO> The only ships I saw attacking the cube were a modified Miranda, a
 RO> Nebula, an Ambassador and an Excelsior (which got smeared). There was
 RO> the hulk of a destroyed vessel visisble briefly. Also, in Sisko's
 RO> quarters you can see an Oberth get hit through the windows. Starfleet
 RO> must have been real desperate to send a research/science vessel into
 RO> the battle. 

I thought that the one in the windows WAS the Galaxy class starship!  
Could you please refresh my memory and give a description of the Oberth 
class ship?


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From: caina@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: History of the Enterprises(NCC-1701-NCC-1701D)
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:26:28 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA


    O.k. I'll admit it... I'm a tad lost right now.  Could someone please
e-mail me a brief history of each of the Enterprises (all of the NCC-1701,
A-D, plus the original NCC-1701.) and what episodes of ST:TNG or ST Movies
they appeared in?

Thanks in advance!

Alex
caina@merrimack.edu
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From: CXMP000 <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: DS9 Bashing
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:44:26 GMT

>
>    To hell with the new DS9 bashers,
>    Kevin Duckworth
>
The difference between DS9 bashers and DS9 lovers is that when they
all go to hell, the DS9 bashers will be the first to realise it. :)

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From: 00mjstum@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Matthew J. Stum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Deep (Space 9) Thoughts  (spoilers)
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:38:33 GMT
Organization: Widget Enterprises

Just a couple of thoughts about DS9.... but first a word from our sponsors and
a spoiler page:























1) Did anyone find it strange when Quark said "I love a woman in uniform"?

2) Anyone else tempted to refer to Jake as The Sisco Kid?  <duck>


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From: annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 20:02:31 GMT
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <C0E1E1.HHs.1@cs.cmu.edu>, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) writes:
|> A discussion of the excellent DS9 premiere follow this control-L and
|> blank space:
|> 
|> 
|> The Tritt (Dax?):  Using the orb to reveal her past was a clever way

Trill

|> Bajor spiritual leader:  Ehh.  I find her annoying, but that may be 
|> intentional on the part of Berman & Piller.  Search for the celestial
|> temple?  I'm skeptical.

The character reminded me of the Shadout Mapes (or something like that) from
Dune - might even be the same actress.  All mysterious and vague 
and short and vaguely funny looking.

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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Rangers, Trek, 9 and 5
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:52:55 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan8.002755.3274@fcom.cc.utah.edu> val@news.ccutah.edu (Val Kartchner) writes:
>
>By the way, does anyone know what computer they used to generate the ships?

Space Rangers was done on Macs according to our in-house graphic artist and
one of his Amiga Video Toaster magazines.  The effects were just too...
animated for me.  I hope they spent more time on Babylon 5's effects to try
and avoid this, but from what I've seen so far, its only a little better.

Granted, SFX don't make the show (not top priority, anyway), but if they are
cheesy, they make the bad acting/bad story that much worse (witness: Space
Rangers).  On this, I hope, Babylon 5 excells.  While I still enjoy Star
Trek: All Incarnations, I'm always willing to watch another show, and I
resent anyone trying to tell me I can't possibly enjoy both.

Actually, I probably will continue to watch Space Rangers for as long as it
lasts... there's nothing else on at that time slot (although locally, an
independant will be showing Time Trax against it).

ObTrekStatement:  I still like Star Trek, and I refuse to choose between
it and Babylon 5 or any other sf show.  If I like those too, I will watch
them as well.  If their schedules conflict, that's why God invented the VCR.

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From: rwmech@uumeme.chi.il.us (Robert W. Mech)
Subject: Re: O'brien's transportation
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 18:14:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.234121.583@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.203655.8095@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, rah@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Ray Aaron Hoffman) writes:
>> 
>> When O'brien was leaving the Enterprise for the station, Picard
>> *transported* him off the ship.  Maybe I missed some explanation 
>> of this, but wasn't the Enterprise docked?  Why was he transported?
>> Nostalgia?  It would seem to be a waste of energy to transport, rather
>> than simply hitching a ride on a turboshaft.
>> 
>> -Rah
>
>No, the Enterprise was never docked with the station, probably due to the
>E's size, i.e. I don't think the Cardassians designed the station with
>Galaxy-class Federation starships in mind.  Smaller vessels don't seem
>to have any trouble though.
>
>Steven.K.Manfred

It sure looked docked to me at the start of the show.  One of those litttle
fingers? was attached to the saucer section.  I dont think that anyone could
have really entered the thing, I think it was just there so that way the big
E could keep in the same orbit with the station (was it in one?).  Either way
I think it was just there so navigation could be lazy :-)

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From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Chief O'Brien
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:07:22 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

In article <1993Jan6.201153.23639@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> dugal@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Douglas S. Gray) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.203255.21480@umr.edu> S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
>>Another point for enlisted personel on the Enterprise...
>>
>>Chief O'Brien...Doesn't this indicate rank (Chief Petty Officer)
>>or is he just chief transporter officer?
>
>Along those lines, I noticed during DS9 that O'Brien had a single open
>pip on his collar.  Has that always been the case?  Perhaps it indicates
                     ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^
Well, no.... he started out as a Lt. (jg) with one solid and one open pip.
All of a sudden, without warning (or explination) he changed to one hollow
pip..... I don't have any more answers than you do (sorry) BTW the change
was while he was still on TNG.
>he's a warrant officer then?  (sorta halfway between a non-commissioned
>officer and a commissioned officer)  Anyone?  Anyone?
>
>-Doug
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