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From: 2186filterj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DSN musings
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:23:52 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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Well, I just watched Deep Space Nine the Premiere last night and here's what I
thought.  But first....

WARNING! WARNING! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! WARNING!
the following text may or may not contain spoilers.  read at your own risk



And just in case that little bugger didn't work

























There.....

Now.  To begin with, I thought that Emmissary was worth watching.  I found it
to be immensely better than Encounter at Farpoint.  The actors, though
definitely not at ease, are much less wooden than TNG stars were at first. 
There is some interesting growth potential in the characters much like a
certain Geordie LaForge, Lt. jg in the first season to Lt. Cmmdr now.

The Special effects are impressive, and I thought that the story line was
pretty good considering that the show really is suppossed to introduce us to
the cast and the setting and the situation NOT resolve anything.  There will be
many seasons to come where we can go and deal in depth with individual
problems.

One thing that bothered me -- and I almost hate to bring it up -- but did
anyone else see that O'Brien was only wearing a single hollow pip?  Maybe I
missed the other solid pip, but I don't think so.  If that was the case, then
he is enlisted.

Oh well, that's all I have to say for now.  The series looks like it will be
very interesting.

-Jon
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:39:33 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <ewright.726528800@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <rawdon.726435004@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>>In BoBW, Riker is promoted to Captain (permanently). If Picard
>>>does not return, then Big E is his. Picard comes back, though.

>>Nope, I don't see it.  We would not have been stripped of his captain's rank
>>if this had been the case.

>What makes you think he was stripped of his rank rather than
>relinquishing it voluntarily?  Do you believe that James Kirk
>was "stripped" of his Admiral's rank in Star Trek-TMP?

>If Riker wanted to remain on the Enterprise as Exec, he could not have
>done it and kept his rank of Captain.

Why not?  Kirk assumed the captain's position twice while retaining his rank
of admiral (once in ST:TMP, once in ST2:TWOK).

>					You cannot draw a Captain's
>pay and privileges, on a permanent basis, unless you're doing the job 
>of a Captain.

Why not?

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
			- McCoy and Kirk; Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: David Warner
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:28:58 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 From the r.a.m. actors list:

 Warner, David    Ballad of Cable Hogue, The
                  Blue Hotel
                  Bofors Gun, The
                  Code Name: Chaos
                  Company of Wolves, The
                  Cross of Iron
                  Dark at Noon, or Eyes and Lies (aka Oeil quement, L')
                  Desperado (TV)
                  Doll's House, A (1973/II)
                  Drive
                  Fixer, The
                  Frankenstein (1984) (TV)
                  From Beyond the Grave
                  Grave Secrets
                  Hanna's War
                  Hitler's S.S.: Portrait in Evil (TV)
                  "Holocaust" (mini)
                  Hostile Takeover
                  House on Sycamore Street, The (TV)
                  Island, The (1980)
                  Little Malcolm (aka Little Malcolm and His Struggle Against
                                      the Eunuch)
                  Magdalene
                  Man With Two Brains, The
                  "Masada" (mini)
                  Midsummer Night's Dream, A (1968)
                  Morgan! (aka Morgan - A Suitable Case For Treatment)
                  Mortal Passions
                  Mr. North
                  My Best Friend Is a Vampire
                  Nightwing
                  Old Curiosity Shop, The (aka Mr. Quilp)
                  Omen, The
                  Perry Mason: The Case of the Poisoned Pen (TV)
                  Providence
                  S.O.S. Titanic (TV)
                  Secret Life of Ian Fleming, The (TV)
                  Silver Bears
                  Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
                  Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
                  Straw Dogs
                  Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze
                  Thirty-Nine Steps, The (1978)
                  Time After Time (1979)
                  Time Bandits
                  Tom Jones
                  Tripwire
                  Tron
                  Uncle Vanya (1991) (TV)
                  Waxwork
From: cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Interesting character dynamics?
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:47:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


A lot of reviews have lauded the way in which the DSN characters are
a bit less "rosy" than the TNG characters.


It occurs to me, TNG did a little of the same (although not to the
same extent), but didn't keep it up.

Picard: very uncomfortable around children.  Wanted Riker to hold
          hand and look after him whenever kids were around.  We
          never saw much of this in other episodes (though he did
          look a little awkward in "When the Bough Breaks").

Geordi: always caused pain by his visor.  (A fact which is never
          brought up again, except briefly in "Loud as a Whisper.")

Worf: acting before thinking, somewhat lacking in confidence.
          Picard: "Lieutenant!  Do you intend to blast a hole in
          viewer?"  Worf: "I will learn to do better, sir."  (slumps
          sheepishly into chair)

Riker & Troi: feeling somewhat awkward around each other, since they
          had had a relationship which did not have such a happy
          ending.

Picard & Crusher: Picard seemed very uncomforatable around Crusher,
          and offered her a transfer off the ship.



So, you see, these characters had their problems, but they
disappeared after the pilot episode.  I hope the DSN writers are a
bit more willing to deal with these issues.



Tony
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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:51:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.154032.16210@news.acns.nwu.edu>  
glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover) writes:
> You see, I must not have been watching too carefully because I thought the
> bag *and* the gold were odo, because if you notice Quark looks very oddly
> at the gold when he is told to shut down the casino.
>
Hey, it's obvious Quark was in on the Trick and had to let the Cardasian's  
win all that money. Like any self-respecting Ferrengi, he was not to pleased  
at the idea of giving up all that gold!
--
"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not  
sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
-Richard Nixon 
Mark E. Brodsky				E-mail: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Northwestern University                 or  markb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Evanston, Il.
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From: an92@anon.penet.fi
Subject: `Cheers Woman 
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:39:49 GMT

	Over Christmas I posted a question about the woman from "Cheers" and
Lt. Saavik (although I did spell it wrong :( ).  I received numerous responses.
My friend who originally noticed the similarity has compiled the variations
on spelling and stuff.

======================================================================

	Ok, I have compiled the list of 'Cheers Woman spellings; I have put
the correct spelling at the top of each list, followed by the permiutations
and combinations of same (in fact, in the case of Kirstie Alley, it's almost 
like one of those probability questions: "How many differents combinations
of the name are possible?").  I have also included a couple of amusing
typos which appeared.  Anyway, without further ado...

Kirstie Alley
Kirstie Allie
Kirsti Alley
Kirsty Alley
Kirstey Allie 
Kristie Allie
Kriste Alley

Saavik
Saavick
Savick
Savvik
Savik

Other Amusements:

the first movie (Wrath og Kahn)
The Cheere woman

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From: adem@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: seventh season?
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:16:56 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

	Can anyone tell me for sure whether or not TNG is continuing for
a seventh season?  The last I heard was that everyone except Stewart, Dorn, and 
Spiner had signed on.  Has this situation changed lately?

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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: 32 Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:50:22 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

>>>From what I understand, only two Galaxy class starships have been built:
>>>the U.S.S. Yamoto and the Big E.  Rumors abound amongst my friends (rumors,
>>>'cause I don't know how valid they are) that the reason only two have been
>>>built is because they're very expensive, they're coming out with a newer mode
>>>soon, or because they're so new, only two have had time to be built.
>>
>>There has to be at least one more... the USS Galaxy. They are *Galaxy* class
>>ships, not *Enterprise* or *Yamato* class.
>
>Not necessarily true, though in this case it is.  From _Star Trek
>The Next Generation Technical Manual_ (which, I understand, is a canon
>source, having been written by Michael Okuda and Rich Sternbach, who are
>the technical brains behind the show) we have that the _U.S.S. Galaxy_ was
>in existence, and even sent a congratulatory message via subspace radio
>upon the launching of the _Enterprise_.  It also goes on to mention that
>the _Yamato_ did the same, making _Enterprise_ only the third
>_Galaxy_-class ship built by the Federation.  It is conceivable that the
>_Galaxy_ herself *thus* could have been at Wolf 359, but it could have just
>as easily been far out on the border somewhere, exploring.  I would find it
>interesting to see the two ships together, however.
>
>Regards,
>
>Stanley!
>aaron@fiu.edu

From the same manual (although I could be mistaken) I believe it states
that the Galaxy was a test ship, and was never  intended for
general use in the fleet.  The Z-compression warp field was a new, untested
design, and Starfleet did not want to commission several ships without
first testing whether the Z-compression field would work.
BTW, the Z-comp field is the reason the saucer section is an oval,
rather than the near perfect circle of the Constitution or Excellcior
class (as well as all other federation) starships.

-=Road Warrior=-
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From: iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu (Daniel R. Iacovone)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Organization: Franklin University (Columbus, OH)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:50:17 GMT

In article <DICKIA.93Jan7171933@rebecca.rpi.edu> dickia@rpi.edu (Andrew B. Dickinson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.000553.8513@zeus.franklin.edu> iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu (Daniel R. Iacovone) writes:
>
>>   A shot for each time a crew member says that something is impossible to
>>   do, and they actually do it.
>
>Aww.. c'mon!  Without that plot device, the show would have ended
>years ago!  
>
>As we all know, it is perfectly legal, in sci-fi writing, to change
>the physical laws of the universe at will -- or at least, whenever
>you've written yourself into a corner! :-)

Yes, but I thunk that the point of the drunking game was to get drunk as
soon as possible.  {{:-<

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From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Star Trek:  DS9  Needs more humans!
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:36:22 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

This was my brother's reaction:  "There're only 2 humans on the show!
Why should I watch a show about a bunch of aliens?"

Tim
-- 
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From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Tuesday Night Review "Emissary" !SPOILERS!
Date: 12 Jan 1993 03:41:05 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1993Jan6.004239.577@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>
>And now, even less live, from Ellsworth and River Falls, Wisconsin,
>comes the Tuesday Night Review!!!
>
>Tonight's offering, the two-hour premiere episode of ST:DS9, "Emissary"
>
>Overall grade (scale of one to ten):  10
>
>The only thing that worries me is that now TNG seems dull by comparison...

	Agreed; I don't see how they'll be able to pull that "Next exciting
episode of Star Trek The Next Generation" line any more.

	It's good to see that Bermen and Piller have finally hit solidly upon
the formula that makes Star Trek great.  It's quite simple, really:  You just
take one uneasy set of teammates, add a hostile environment, a touch of the
unknown, clever solutions, imposing villains, good special effects, good
acting, and cap it off with a climactic shootout.  This has been the formula
for most of the truly great Star Trek stories (Where No Man Has Gone Before,
Balance of Terror, The Wrath of Khan, The Undiscovered Country, The Best of
Both Worlds, Relics), and in the last month the EP's have given us Chain of
Command and Emmisary to show they've got it knocked.  I hope they keep up the
good work on both series.
From: Bob_Hearn@qm.claris.com (Robert Hearn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: best episode?
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:52:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Distribution: rec
Organization: Spartacus Software

In article <199310.3208.19509@dosgate>, paul.manson@canrem.com (paul
manson) wrote:
> 
> I can't figure out private mail routing hence a public vote.
> 
> 1.  The Inner Light.
> 2.  The Big Goodbye
> 3.  Elementary Dear Data
> 3.  The Perfect mate
> 4.  Who Watches the Watchers
> 5.  True Q
> 
> LL&P
> 
>                PAUL S. MANSON <=-CRS TORONTO CANADA-=>
> ---
>  ~ 1st 1.02b #815 ~ There's an old Vulcan proverb "Only Nixon could go to China"
> --
> Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
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OK, here goes... asbestos suit on... am I the *only* one in the world
who didn't like Inner Light?  Well, I can't really say I didn't like it,
but I certainly wouldn't call it one of my favorites.  It was touching,
but it wasn't what I'd call Star Trek.  It also strectched belief somewhat
more than usual.  Also, adding an entire lifetime's experience to a
character would change that character's personality dramatically.  Of
course, that's not what we want, and it's not what we got.

For me, Yesterday's Enterprise on top, no question.
There, that shouldn't get me any flames...

Bob Hearn
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From: paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil)
Subject: Re: Cardassia = Iraq
Organization: Mississippi State University ERC
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:34:07 GMT

Paul Michals writes:
>This probably comes under the catagory of 'it's so obvious why mention it'.
>But I haven't seen any comment on how the CoC episodes drew a clear analogy
>between the Cardassians and our (ever lovable) Iraq.
>
>For Example:
>
>A people dominated by a dictatorial military that uses torture as matter
>of course.
>A people that at one time had a magnificent empire (Babylonia).
>A people (or at least the military junta that is in control) that holds a
>deep resentment towards more technologically advanced peoples.
>One could even imagine that Minos Korva (the planet that Cardassia was poised
>to take over) was nothing more than a stand-in for Kuwait.
>
>Anyway something to think about.

Yeah it is something to think about, but I figured it was closer to 

Cardassia = Eastern Europe 

since after the Soviet Union pulled out we see that there are
environmental problems there as well as the depth of poverty that
Communism left.
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From: ansaldo@fstop.hw.stratus.com (Bob Ansaldo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DSN - FOX 61 Hartford, CT ???
Date: 5 Jan 1993 20:22:09 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
Distribution: world
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Anyone know if the Fox station is going to be carrying DSN? If so, when?
I checked the schedule that was posted here, but there was no entry for 61.
Thanks.

#ignore <cute.sig> 

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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: 24 Re: Where are the enlisted personal?
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:20:49 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

>------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>Roddenberry himself said in the early marterial related to TOS that every crew
>member on the E was a fully-qualified astronaut and therefore, an officer.
>
>Answer: there are no enlisted personell on the E, civilians yes.
>
>--
>=====================================================================
>Adams Douglas   | Always tell the truth, | You can die like the rest,
>adamsd@         | then you make it the   | or be one of the best.
>crash.cts.com   | other bloke's problem! | - Cyndi n'ha June, 1992
>Chula Vista, CA | - Sean Connery, 1971   |

Wrong!  I don't know what Roddenberry intended, but on the TOS episode
where Kirk splits into two people (the name is on the tip of my keyboard
but I just cannot remember it) he refers to the injured man as "crewman"
which seemed to me to be the logical 24th century analog to "seaman".
Furthermore, the man was wearing a techs robe.  I believe that he was
enlisted.  Furthermore, on TNG, on the episode where Picard was accused
of being a traitor (again, the title escapes me), the half Romulan crewman
who is first accused of sabatage is definately enlisted, as he tells
Picard about his desire to become a Starfleet officer, but that in his
youth he was too impatient to attend the Academy.  There are enlisted
personnel on both Enterprises.However, I'll be d*mned if I can tell
them apart on the new series.In the movies (II-VI) enlisted personnel
wore a different uniform than officers and were quite distinct.  In
TNG, the only difference I can discern (and I'm not entirely sure about
this) is that enlisted personnel, from the 3rd season onward wore the
1st and 2nd season uniforms (with the collarbone stipe on the upper black
part of the uniform) and officers wear the uniforms with plain black
area.  Again, I am uncertain about this.

BTW, why is Counselor Troi a Lieutenant Commander and why doesn't she
ever wear a uniform any more?

Personally, I kind of wish they had stuck with the movie uniforms.
Although the TNG uniforms have a more streamlined, perfect look, the
movie uniforms looked more realistic and more military.  They also
had specific insignia, so that you didn't have to guess if someone was
engineering, bridge crew, or security.  Any rationale or explainations?

Last question: Why are the DS9 uniforms so different from the TNG uniforms
?  They look kind of like cadet uniforms.

-=Road Warrior=-
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From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Subject: Re: Rank Structure (was Re: Uniform Colors...)
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:41:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.170136@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.215900.21511@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, dugal@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Douglas S. Gray) writes:

[deleted to save space]

> There are 2 Rear Admiral ranks instead - Lower Half and Upper Half.
> What that Lower/Upper stuff means, I dunno.
>
> Travis

I recall reading in one of the Hornblower books that in large naval
battles they had to have separate commanders of the Front and Rear
halves of the "line of battle" in order to ensure adequate
communications and co-ordination.  I think this is where the
designation comes from.

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From: jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca (jeff bamford)
Subject: Thoughts on "Emissary"
Originator: jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca
Organization: Audio Research Group, University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:31:07 GMT

Spoiler protection for those who are looking for one:



Not a  bad episode, acting was rough, but when you look at "Encounter
at Faipoint" you wonder how the show could have been like that.  My main
problem with this is, how many stories can we get?  Every week something 
new and horrible pops out of the wormhole?  It would be a better idea to 
have The Next Generation on for 3/4 of the episodes and Deep Space Nine 
as the other 1/4.  This would improve TNG as they are running out of good
ideas.



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From: CHD@HERMES.ECE.ARIZONA.EDU (Chris De Young)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Calling Women "Sir"
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:08:01 GMT
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In <C0Iqwx.CGr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

> I hate it when they call women "Sir" or "Mister."
> What it says to me is this: Positions of respect are
> reserved for men.  For women to gain these positions,
> they must become honorary or symbolic men.

Oh please, give me a break.  It seems to me that the point is to avoid
differentiating forms of address based on gender; I really don't think
people who use this form of address are considering women to be "honorary
men."  Am I wrong here?

It seems to me that you are also implying that I can't respect a woman
and at the same time acknowledge her femininity.  Wrong.

> They  must become "sirs" because "ma'ams" are not respectable.

But when people use "ma'am" various other militant feminist types object to 
its use because they feel it subordinates women -- what's it going to be?
What form of address do you want?

Just out of curiosity, do you object to the use of the word "woman" because
it contains the string "men"?

-Chris
chd@ece.arizona.edu
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