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From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Subject: Re: Some Batting Averages 1992
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:23:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.145438.14548@walter.bellcore.com> shamim@bellcore.com writes:

[earlier stuff deleted, cos I missed it...]
>
>I undestood the point that was being made.  It is the same point made
>by some people,  viz. that foreign players should be barred from the
>county circuit, that they get better at England's expense, etc. , and I
>consider this attitude to be rascist/nationalistic.
>
>Speaking purely from the game's point of view I hope you see that
>this entire reasoning is totally wrong.

You're half right and half wrong. Nationalistic it is, racist it's not. Every
major race on the planet, with the exception of the Chinese, play the game,
and all would be excluded, including the caucasian Aussies and Kiwis.

Nationalistic it is. However, the advocates of the policy (which is aimed
at *restricting numbers of* rather than eliminating foreign players) make the
valid point that the more foreign players in the county game, the less room
there is for youngsters to come through. No-one but a fool would say that
foreign players should be banned entirely: those that do come are of high
quality, and add considerably to the standard of county cricket, but you have
to draw the line somewhere.

Note also that this isn't a phenomenon confined to cricket. For several
seasons, UEFA have been pursuing a similar policy in all European
competitions, and the Italian league have an even more stringent
restriction for their league matches (3 foreigners only, as opposed to four
for European competition...).

Lastly, it's nonsense to complain about nationalism in sport. Countries
compete, and everyone wants their own country to be the best. Nationalism may
be an undesirable trait, but it exists in all of humanity, and far better that
it's channeled into sport, where it's relatively harmless (football hooligans
excepted :-(  ), than expressed in war or terrorism and so on...

Later,

The Wisp.
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From: chalmers@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (David Chalmers)
Subject: Re: Worst Aussie side since 1970
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:24:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.152631.9579@st-andrews.ac.uk> rasf@st-andrews.ac.uk (Russell Anthony Stewart Fiedler) writes:

>Graham Yallop (c)
>   Picked purely on the basis of his captaincy. His handling of Rodney Hogg

Really much too good a batsman for this team, but OK.

>Gary Cosier
>   'The forearms, the forearms' was the cry from Bay 13. Very odd batting 
>   style using no backlift whatsoever. Made a ton on debut I think but it was
>   all downhill after that. A bit liability in the field and between wickets
>   get Gary a cap here.

This is a bit unfair.  Not only did Cosier get 109 on his debut against
the West Indies in 1975-76, he got a magnificent 168 against Pakistan at
the MCG following summer, in which he thrshed the bowlers all over the
ground and nearly got a century before lunch.  He also got a few useful
50's, and was averaging over 50 for quite a while until his career
trailed off around 1978 with injuries from which he never fully
recovered.  I also recall him taking a few sharp close-in catches.

>Rob Kerr
>Rick Darling
>Peter Toohey
>David Ogilvie (very close to being picked)
>David Hookes (The Great White Hope)
>Phil Carlson
>Dave Gilbert
>Len Pascoe
>Kerry O'Keefe
>Murray Bennett

Well: Darling, Toohey, Hookes, Pascoe, and O'Keeffe were all at least
of marginal Test standard, although perhaps none lived up to their
potential.  The others, OK.  There are plenty of other candidates,
mostly from the 1977-1987 period, but I can't think of anyone
who stands out as truly bad, probably because most get dropped fast
and fade from memory.

-- 
Dave Chalmers                            (dave@cogsci.indiana.edu)      
Center for Research on Concepts and Cognition, Indiana University.
"It is not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable."
From: ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:05:55 GMT
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In article <1992Oct2.043209.16674@cc.uow.edu.au> u9066624@cc.uow.edu.au (Tippu Hassan) writes:
>5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>
>hmm A superb team. but lacking a bowler. Id drop M crow and include either
>M marshal or maninder depending on the wicket being.
              ^^^^^^^^
You are kidding, right? Or mis-spelt it perhaps?

>
>>************************************************************
>>N.Ramasubramanian          	GO BREWERS ! GO !    
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Ravi N. Raj                                   ravi@wti.com
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From: khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Imran Khan -retiring again?
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:58:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.BvEsyA.72G
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


Its true that one of the reasons why Imran cha is still playing or rather has
not officially announced his retirement is cause as long as he is in the
limelight he'll continiue to get money for the cancer hospital that he is makingis Lahore. This decision of his has alredy started causing ripples in the 
Pakistan team. What used to happen was that after Pakistan won a tournamnet
specially in Sharjah the money that the fans or the rich people used to give
usually went to the team. But now as Imran is campaigning for the funds for the
hospital most of the money goes to that fund. 
    Another thing that I like to add is that even though Imran is not what he     used to be , so far he has not given any reason as to why he should not be in
the team. What i mean to say is that his performances have been not bad at all.
Any way enough said.......



 laters


             ___
 Lahori (LHL 111) Poond
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Indian Team Selected
Date: 2 Oct 1992 16:47:06 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <1992Oct2.144530.24418@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, aksimha@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gerd Von Rundstedt) writes:
>
>   I am PISSED OFF!!!!
>
>  THEY'VE EXCLUDED MANINDER ONCE AGAIN!!!
>
>Yes, for the sake of preserving an atrocious system of regional quotas, the
>bunch of jokers (including Vishwanath, of course) have persisted with,
>Maninder Singh, the best left-arm bowler in the planet today, has been ignored.
>He is also a magnificent fielder.
>
>

I could not agree more. Maninder has been a consistent performer 
for the past two years and a person who basically sucks
(I am referring to Kumble) has been 
selected ahead of him.
Poor Maninder, I don't know what this will
do to his confidence. 
And I can't believe that they selected both Chetan 
and Subroto. they should have dropped one of these
two guys and selected Maninder.

Other than this it's o.k. selection.


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N.Ramasubramanian          	GO BREWERS ! GO !    

Dept. of Mech. Engg.	        Listach for ROY
Marquette University       
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From: aksimha@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Gerd Von Rundstedt)
Subject: Tragedy: B.S. Chandrashekhar
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:34:50 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA





    I haven't seen this on the net so far, so I guess I'll go ahead.

 --

   B.S. Chandrashekhar lost both his legs after a car accident six weeks ago.
   A benefit match was held on the 4th of October. Brian Lara, Richardson,
   Bishop, Aquib Javed, et al played in the match. Colin Cowdrey (B'lore born)
   came down to visit B.S at his place.
     Sunil Gavaskar presented the collection (Rs 2.5 lakhs - 8000 odd U.S $)
    to an emotional Chandrashekhar. Chandrashekhar was carried to the field
    (from his Wheelchair) by his friends.
 
      My favorite legspinner of all time! Good luck to him....
   

-----


  ( Source: Phone Call from Dad)


Arun Simha

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Subject: Tragedy strikes B.S Chandrashekhar
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Keywords: 




    I haven't seen this on the net so far, so I guess I'll go ahead.

 --

   B.S. Chandrashekhar lost both his legs after a car accident six weeks ago.
   A benefit match was held on the 4th of October. Brian Lara, Richardson,
   Bishop, Aquib Javed, et al played in the match. Colin Cowdrey (B'lore born)
   came down to visit B.S at his place.
     Sunil Gavaskar presented the collection (Rs 2.5 lakhs - 8000 odd U.S $)
    to an emotional Chandrashekhar. Chandrashekhar was carried to the field
    (from his Wheelchair) by his friends.
 
      My favorite legspinner of all time! Good luck to him....
   

-----


  ( Source: Phone Call from Dad)


Arun Simha
From: rajagopa@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu (Sundararaman Rajagopal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: INDIAN CAPTAIN AND TEAM
Date: 2 Oct 1992 09:58:00 -0500
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AZHARUDDIN RETAINED AS CAPTIAN FOR THE ZIMBABWE AND SOUTH AFRICA TOUR

CRICKET TEAM FOR ZIMBABWE, SA TOUR ANNOUNCED
YADAV LONE NEW FACE, CHETAN, KUMBLE MAKE A COME-BACK
THE TEAM: AZHAR, SHASTRI, RAMAN, JADEJA, M'KAR, T'KAR, AMRE, MORE, VIJAY
YADAV, KAPIL, PRABHAKAR, SRINATH, BANERJEE, CHETAN SHARMA, RAJU, KUMBLE
From: sanjeev@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Indian enthusiasm in sports
Date: 27 Sep 1992 18:20:54 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
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In article <Bv7tJM.HwM@beach.csulb.edu>, pujara@grover.cecs.csulb.edu (Dipen Pujara) writes:
>Although India is currently near the bottom of all major sports (including  
>cricket), it is good to see a high degree of enthusiasm for sports related  
>information among Indian fans. This is evident from such a large number of  
>postings (probably the highest) from Indians on the news network. 

This is perhaps a reflection on our attitudes. We are better talkers than
doers :-)

What else can we say about a country whose population exceeds 850 million
and can't bag a single medal in the Olympics.
                ^^^^^^

Here in NZ a country of bearly 3.3 million people, they got more than 10
medals in Barcelona.

Sanjeev Dandekar
From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: {Was Re: richest county contract} Playing truant
Date: 30 Sep 1992 14:30:29 GMT
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In article <1992Sep28.213907.10294@coe.montana.edu>, prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar) writes:
>The point made by some nettors are that the Indian cricketers shouldn't have 
>left England at that time. BULLSHIT ! Then how in the world will they play in
>the matches[Duleep, Deodhar, Irani whatever] which are a prelude to the 
>selections ?

Point taken, Prem. And never did I say that they should have continued to play
in the league and ignore the call for the national selection. Am I wrong in
believing there was a better way of doing what they did? Just imagine. Two
Indian league-players, crying off at the same time, reason given being "unfit",
the medical certificates obtained from the same doctor, and soon thereafter,
playing full-swing for their home sides back in India. Whatever the reason for
the actions, don't you think we should be straightforward about the whole
thing? If they had been ready to pay the fines, they could have done so right
at the beginning, by putting their cards on the table. These underhanded deals
may be the momentary solution to their "pressing" problems, but in the long
run, it does not pay. The medical certificate thing is like people used to do
back home, to avail sick-leave for attending a friend's marriage. All the
parties involved --the doctor, the boss and the employee-- know the truth. The
difference here is that the "boss" is not willing to accept this farce at
face-value. And the action the "boss" here takes is to ban all Indian
cricketers from league cricket in that county! Desirable? 

That's my opinion, if you want to go ahead and call it bullshit, feel free. But
you won't be able to change the way people--including me-- look at things. As I
said at the beginning of this note, I do see that the two are desperate to
please the authorities, and would have given anything to be considered for the
SA tour. A bit of proper planning and thinking is bound to fetch better
results, leaving no bitter taste in anybody's mouths. If one is dependent on
someone else for a livelihood, one better play by that someone-else's rules, as
long as the rules are reasonable. If not dependent, sure, call it bullshit as
you did, and walk away. 

>
>I don't think there is anything wrong in coming of in the middle of the
>English league to earn a place in the Indian team. Maybe they will have to
>pay some fines. Thats fine. But a place in the Indian team is worth more.
>And it is good to note that nobody is taking their place in the team for 
>sure.
>
>Sincerely yours,
>M.P.Premkumar

-Murali
From: crash@hal.com (Chris Craddock)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Best Australian XI 1970-1990
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:42:50 GMT
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In article <BvEx7B.J9w@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, chalmers@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (David Chalmers) writes:
|> Here's an Australian XI for the period 1970-1990.
|> 
|> 1. Ian Redpath
|> 2. David Boon
|> 3. Ian Chappell (c)
|> 4. Greg Chappell
|> 5. Doug Walters
|> 6. Allan Border
|> 7. Rod Marsh (wk)
|> 8. Max Walker
|> 9. Bruce Yardley
|> 10. Dennis Lillee
|> 11. Jeff Thomson
|> 
|> The 70's dominate the 80's here by 8 to 3, but that's not surprising.
|> This team would leave the England XI in the dirt.
|> Dave Chalmers   

Er,.. yes but so what? The real(tm) Australian XI of '72-'77 wiped the
floor with all comers anyway. Zamattera fact, there was a bit of a 
debate at the time whether or not it was the best Aussie team ever.
Clive Lloyd mentioned the dominance of that team (and in particular, 
the dominance of the Lillee/Thompson/Walker bowling combo), was the
sole reason for the pace battery that kept the Windies on top through
the '80s.

Chris 
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From: sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf)
Subject: Re: All-rounders galore! What's wrong with this picture?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:07:33 GMT

In article <605@wavefront.wti.com> ravi@wti.com (Ravi Raj) writes:
>
>Consider the following Indian XI:
>
>W.V. Raman       |   started off his career as a bowler, still bowls
>Ajay Jadeja      |   started off his career as a bowler? still bowls

	No, as a #5 bat who bowled, I think.

>Md. Azharuddin   |   specialist batsman, occasional bowler
	Originally, waaay back, he started as a bowler I hear, a leggie if
Iam not mistaken. I heard Polly Umrigar once said that he was told to watch
out for him, a good prospect. Then, he put out his back or something, and
became the best bat in the world ( well, maybe second best - after
Gower:-) ) 

>Sanjay Manjrekar |   specialist batsman, cannot bowl 

	Sanjay *does* bowl, at least he has in the Ranji's. Not a regular
bowler even in the Ranji's tho.
>Sachin Tendulkar |   specialist batsman, decent bowler, specially in ODIs
>R. J. Shastri    |   started off his career as a bowler, still bowls
>Kapil Dev        |   need I say more?
>Kiran More       |   keeper, thank God this guy can't bowl!
>Manoj Prabhakar  |   specialist bowler, decent batsman, has opened!!
>Chetan Sharma    |   specialist bowler, has scored a century!! decent bat!
>J. Srinath       |   specialist bowler, a wild hitter in the Lance Cairns mode
>
>There is just one batsman (Manjrekar) who cannot bowl. And just one
>bowler (Srinath) who cannot bat.  Yet, this team has crumbled on
>dead pitches and not been able to dismiss opponents twice on bowler's 
>tracks. Can someone tell me -- What's wrong with this picture?

	Well, hmmm, oh I don't know. Let me take a wild stab at it. Could
it possibly be a shortage of specialists ?? No, that isn't it :-) 

			Sadiq [ an allrounder ] Yusuf

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>Ravi N. Raj                                   ravi@wti.com
>                                              Lakers - Knicks '93


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From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Subject: Another letter to Gerd von Runstedt
Originator: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:14:03 GMT


	Another letter to Gerd von Runstedt

In case anyone is wondering, the previous message was:

My dear General,
  Are you from Germany? There is no cricket in Germany. Where do you
play cricket?

I always knew that German 001 would come in useful some day.
  As Simha Sahib seems to be a World War II buff, perhaps he will next
change his name to something like Mussolini or Badoglio. Who knows, the
next PM Sonia Gandhi will probably appoint him to her cabinet.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: d188sid@utarlg.uta.edu (S RAMACHANDRAN)
Subject: CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE POST THE INDIAN TEAM TO SA....
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:53:00 GMT
From: CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (CRAWFORD, TROY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Blood some Aussies
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:05:34 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24


	The Sri Lankan tour was a disaster, we fell to their pitiful 
bowling, got hammered at times by their batting and even our fielding 
let us down on one or two occasions.  Time for a change!
	The batting order is the first concern, do we bring back  Swampy
(Marsh), leave Moody there, give Phillips a go, opt for the impressive
shield debutant in Hayden or give a rank outsider like Nobes a go?  I 
think that Hayden should be tried, we need to pressure the players so they
know that their positions are not safe.
	Mark Waugh needs a rest, because four consecutive ducks against the
Sri Lankans indicates problems somewhere (I would at least score a run). 
Give him a spell and perhaps bring brother Steve in to add a little experience
or bring in another newcomer like Bevan, Siddons or even Lehman or Law. It
is decisions like this that are required to strengthen our team.
	Something needs to be done soon, because thunderbolts from the West
Indians will soon be fired.  Ambrose and Bishop will probably open, with 
Walsh and Patterson changing, not a reassuring thought for the Aussies.
And as big Andy Roberts said "the only people  more stupid than the fast 
bowlers, are the opening batsmen who go out to face them".  Good luck Mark
Taylor and good luck Moody? Phillips? Nobes? or Hayden (bad luck if it is
you).
	Anyhow, something needs to be done and why not try some new faces,
A.B wont last much longer and Boon and Jonesy also will soon depart so give
some of the youngsters experience, god knows they'll need it!

	Chris the Aussie!
From: rajeev@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Rajeev Menon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: NEWSFLASH - Irani Trophy
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:41:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA

In rec.sport.cricket, sidi@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Sadiq Yusuf) writes:

}}  Just got a newsflash from a friend in India, about the Irani trophy
}}  Rest of India batted first, and seem to have racked up 638 all out.
}}  Delhi in response are 86 for 1.

I work on the assumption that the cricket board reads this bulletin :-)
It is so disheartening to see such gigantic scores posted in domestic
cricket because it says that the bowlers are getting a raw deal. I 
remember how in 1982 Karnataka scored 700+ runs in the first innings
and Delhi overtook them to get the first innings lead and the Ranji trophy.
Some things never change. One of the purposes of domestic cricket is to 
provide an environment for improving our standard at the international
level. This is not the way to get there.

Indian domestic cricket is so off line because of the emphasis it places
on first innings lead. There is no urgency to accelerate. When these
batsmen get into tests and ODIs and are forced to pick up the pace, they
are not used to it. Domestic cricket must try to present situations that
will highlight the skills required in tests and ODIs. The mixture of
caution and aggression that will win matches. The whole Ranji, Irani
and Duleep trophy matches are a TOTAL farce, IMHO.

}} Almost no details at all, except that for ROI Raman got 184,
}} Kambli 94 , Praveen Amre 84, and Yadav ( I presume Vijay ) 86. 

I assume this is WV Raman, not Raman Lamba. (Lamba used to play for Delhi
but who knows where he is now). Scoring 184 in a match like this tells me
nothing. Zilch. Nada. You have a wicket that is barren, the ball comes
easily onto the bat and the bowlers are getting very little from the
wicket. An uneven contest is an understatement. Take this batsmen to SA 
and put him in front of Alan Donald and you have another uneven contest.
Except this time it is a batsman who is ill equipped to handle world
class bowling.

}}  That means Banerjee will probably go on the East ZOne spot, and either
}}  Ankola or Kuruvilla ( probably Ankola ) will be left behind. 

That about sums it up. When we have quotas in the team, why bother about
talent ? (Hint to the jokers: Think India, not East or West Zone :-( ).

}}  			Sadiq [ instant analyser ] Yusuf

rajeev
  
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From: KSRAO@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Indian Team Selected
Date: 2 Oct 1992 08:10:13 -0500
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     Desclaimer:   My newserver is slow. If the team has already appreared on
your site, my apologies for increasing NSR.

     The team was announced today. It has five seamers: Kapil,Prabhakar,
Srinath, Bannerji and Chetan Sharma and two spinners. Yadav is More's
understudy. Siddu is omitted and so is Srikkanth

The team:

Azhar
Kapil
Tendulkar
Kumble
Prabhakar
More
Jadeja
Raju
Raman
Srinath
Shastry
Chetan Sharma
Bannerji
Manjrekar
Amre
Yadav

      Let the dissection begin :-)

K. Sankara Rao
North Dakota State University