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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re:    Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:41:41 GMT

In article <root.02wx@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>From his experience, he feels that his 486 system is faster than an IPX
>that usually has less of a load.

And, in my experience, the IPC (slower than an IPX) is faster than the 486/33
I use at work.  I'll admit that OpenWindows 3 on the Sun is slower than
Windows 3.1 on the 486, and that's saying something (btw, the IPC has 24 megs
ram, so it's not a swapping problem, which happens with OW 3 if you're not
careful), so the IPC sometimes _feels_ slower than the 486.  But, when we run
actual applications (the IPC is mainly used for statistical analysis), it
positively blows away anything on the 486.  That's largely because the 486 is
not exactly famous for it's fp performance.  Supposedly Intel tried to fix
that with the 586/P5/Pentium/whatever.  But then, we have other workstations
that we use for GIS and CAD applications, and I've never seen a PC that can
seriously challenge them in those areas.

>Workstation is a nebulous term, at best.

Certainly, there's no reason you can't call a x86-based machine a workstation.
It's just that they don't have the performance we've come to expect from
dedicated Unix boxes these days.


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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:31:12 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <kdarling.721724826@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>John Campbell (CATS) writes:
>>Kevin Darling writes:
>>>R Hernandez writes:
>>>> Watch out with these Mpeg "demos."  At the last summer CES in Chicago,
>>>> I went there, and Phillips was also showing this "demo."  [...]
>>>> Thing is that it looked superb, but no surprise, no hardware in sight.
>>>
>>>Hmm.  If you meant that you thought the early demo was a fake, then of
>>>course you went away with an incorrect impression.
>>
>> Did YOU attend CES and see their demonstration?  I did and I asked the
>> Phillips representative about it.  He admitted that they were trying to
>> give the impression that it was running off of the Phillips player with
>> a MPEG card added, when in fact IT WAS NOT.  
>
>Uh, we've already agreed that the summer demos were running off prototypes.

Running a demo on a Compaq is stretching the term 'prototype' don't you
think ?  (I'm sure you'd have mentioned it if the CD-I machine
switched to MSDOS :-) )

>What's your viewpoint on the early Commodore CDTV "Photo CD demo"?

I thought that was a demo running on the CDTV which used the
Kodak PhotoCD preview demo disc (said disc produce to demonstrate
to the public just what PhotoCD was all about).  Is this incorrect ?

>kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu> <76703.4227@compuserve.com>


		andy
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From: u9148043@cs.uow.edu.au (Justin Jay Lister)
Subject: Re: I HAVE COME (please note: this post contains irrelevent drivel)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:57:30 GMT

barham@qut.edu.au writes:

>YES!  I HAVE FINALLY COME!

>After three years of reading c.s.a.advocacy under a cloak of irrelevancy,
>I am finally able to STRIKE OUT and make myself known upon an unsuspecting
>public.  Finally I can post!!!!

>Naturally I realise that with this amazing ability comes some deep, moral
>obligations, these being...

>1) To STOMP any MARC BARRETT posting INSTANTLY TO THE GROUND before even
>   considering ANY POSSIBILITY of plausableness about anything he is
>   saying (to do so would be sacrilage against the mighty c.s.a.advocacy
>   masters).

>2) To always uphold the name Amiga as sacred in the annals of computerdom,
>   to never suffer the name F*lc*n to pass my lips, nor the dreaded
>   M*c*ntr*sh!

>3) To never let anyone query that any Amiga graphics mode could ever be
>   even slightly inferior to any stupid PC graphics mode (yes, even to
>   the point of proclaiming 320x200 in 32 colours is vastly superior
>   to 1280x1024 in 256 colours if necessary)!

>4) To eat Atari Falcon users for breakfast.
	         ^^^^^^
Think we made a slight mistake here xref Rule #2 8)

>Thank-you for allowing me to enter your brotherhood.  I will leave now to
>save your band-width, only to return with STARTLING IRRELEVENCIES,
>SCINTILATING DOGMATIC DRIVEL and GROSSLY OVER-SALIVATED ENTHUSIASM!

God if -MB- gets away with the bandwidth wastage I dont see any reason
you shouldn't be allowed too. 

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From: doctor@k9.UUCP (Paul Broe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why consider an Amiga?  [A stoned Mac user wants to know]
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:12:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: k9.doctor.05gn
Organization: Mostly Harmless...
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16g (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <84082@ut-emx.uucp> ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd) writes:
> Here are a couple of questions (Flames OK)

[other questions nuked.]
> 
> 4.5:  What are these freddie fish, or whatever thingies that are at
>       the local archive site?

The Fish disks are a collection of PD and shareware programs for the Commodore
Amiga collected by Fred Fish. (Somewhat over 600 Meg worth by now.)

> 
> 6:  Is there a UNIX that is runnable on the systems?

Commercial:

Amiga UNIX (SV R4) is available. It requires a minimum of 4 Meg of ram,
a 68020+MMU or 68030 and a fair amount of disk space. (A note here: If
you buy this, make ****SURE**** it is version 2.1 and get the latest patch
disk. Version 1.1 is to be avoided at all costs according to discussion on
comp.unix.amiga.)

PD/freeware/shareware/whatever:

Ports of Mach, Linux, and BSD 4.4 are underway for the Amiga. Requirements are
probably similar to the above. (Though BSD 4.4 may not get finished. :-( )

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From: simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NEWTEK: WHAT HAPPENED?
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:56:46 GMT
Organization: UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource
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Originator: simon@ivem.ucsd.edu


In article <1992Nov20.181624.17578@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:
|> In article <1egoneINN41l@network.ucsd.edu> simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon Lee)
|> writes:
|> 
|> >From what I've heard, they've had a falling through with CBM, and CBM
|> >isn't too happy with them either.  Did you notice the post by CATS about
|> >OpalVision, and it's merits as a video productivity tool?  But no Toaster?
|> 
|> I don't think this can be construed as patronage on the part of CBM, as
|> six other vendors with competing products (particularly GVP and DMI) were
|> at the Comdex exhibit as well. Newtek undoubtedly had their own display.

Well, rumors are rumors so take it for what it's worth.  But from what I've
seen between CBM and NewTek, they don't seem to be on the friendly side.  It's
not good for NewTek, especially since they use CBM's product.

|> >I think NewTek is about to jump Amiga ship and hop on the Mac/IBM bandwagon.
|> >That's why they've had so much more Mac/IBM coverage than the Amiga.
|> >Why would anyone need to use a Mac to control the Toaster when you can control
|> >it with the Amiga itself?  It has to be a defection.
|> 
|> The whole issue of Mac/PC support has really been blown way out of proportion.
|> In the video industry, there is less emphasis on dedication to a particular
|> computing platform, with greater concern for promoting a product which is
|> feasible and works with existing hardware. It is only natural for NewTek to
|> cater to the needs of specific platform users by providing an interface which
|> they find intuitive.

Exactly.  That's why I don't understand why NewTek decided to write a Toaster
interface for the Mac and PC when they can just use the Amiga?  I don't think
NewTek really cares too much for the Amiga anymore.  Where's the money from
sales going?  To a A3000/A4000 version of the Toaster?  Or maybe a Mac or PC
version.
 
|> As for not lauding the Amiga in their ads, I don't find this problematic
|> either. The Toaster is marketed to a specific niche which is familiar with
|> standalone solutions and often a bit phobic of the computer connection.
|> By selling them their product and not all the political baggage it carries
|> with it, everyone is happy. I'm sure that if some company developed a device
|> which the Amiga only accessed through ARexx, we'd be a bit miffed as well.

Yea, that's why they mention Mac and PC's all over the place, and hide the
Amiga's label.  That's not even mentioning technical aspects of computing, but
just recognizing a name.  Is that too hard to do?

NewTek + Amiga?  Whatever.
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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Skip to the Aggravation
Date: 17 Nov 1992 01:38:44 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <torban.721642132@csuvax1> torban@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Torban Bennett) writes:
>And what about us Australian's.  Can't you annoy us as well.  Pleeeeeas!

Don't be silly, Aussie.  He did.  He left Australia out, just like
everyone else.  ;)

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From: thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:43:27 GMT

colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin) writes:

>>In article <1992Nov16.184751.8542@cs.mun.ca> thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy) writes:
>>>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>>While I don't condone piracy, I do believe that some of the points
>               ^^^^^^^
>>that the original poster had in favor of Piracy are valid, as are some
>                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  How can you make these two statements in one sentence? From the look
>of your posting, you most certainly do condone piracy, at least for
>yourself.

>[rest deleted]
>  It's disturbing to know that someone with your attitude is a president
>of a computer users group. It's not hard to see why the local Amiga dealer
>has trouble selling software here. 

I do resent that, and one can use both those statements with no clash, I
said that some of the POINTS FOR piracy [IMO] are "VALID" and that I
do NOT condone Piracy, how is this hard to understand? Just because I
can "see where someone is coming from" does not mean I too, "agree"
with them.
 
 Funny how you conviently deleted the line that said I also see and
 AGREE with the "ANTI-PIRACY" side. I expressly said I do NOT 
 condone piracy, why did you chose to ignore this? I think we
 both know why Colin.

 In closing, I said I can "see what others are talking about when it
 comes to reasons why, and that I support the ANTI-piracy side".
  
  Can't make it any simpler...

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  A few comments about productivity (short rant!)
Distribution: na
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:55:29 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Nov14.171549.25542@zds-oem.zds.com> easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.211522.5648@clipper.ingr.com> kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
>>Every so often, I update my resume. So here is my experience with
>>Word for Windows. Why did I use it? Mainly to get the output done
>>on a laser printer. My foolish mistake was not in realizing that
>>Word is definitely NOT WYSIWYG.
>
> Which version of WFW were you using? 1.1 or 2.0a?
>
>>Basically I wanted all major headers in BOLD (using the same font)
>>
>><BOLD>     HEADER 
>>plain      * job skill 1
>>           * job skill 2
>>
>>Please note the alignment - a perfect straight row up and down. When
>>I printed the resume, nothing lined up...NOTHING. And I was not about
>
>  I just tried it with 2.0a.  Did it three different times with New Times
>Roman, Arial, and Lucida Sans (all true type fonts) and using tabs and
>also spaces.  They lined up perfectly every time.
>
>>to count the stupid dots by sticking my nose two inches away from the 
>>monitor. I ended up printing and reprinting until everything was aligned.
>>Was this productive - NO. The worse part of all this was I could have
>>accomplished the same task on the Amiga using ProWrite (the first version)
>>in a quarter of the time. For those of you that bitch, I never read the
>>instructions for ProWrite, so why should I have to for Word for Windows.
>
>  I've never read the manual either...
>
>>Was I productive with Word for Windows? NO. (TWO HOURS wasted and it still
>>wasn't quite right - small alignment errors due to Fonts not being the
>>same when in BOLD.) I could have done the job faster with a typewriter.
>>And that is no lie. No wonder American business is in its current state,
>>with such useful tools as Word. HAHAHAHAHA!
>
>  I've used Word for DOS for years.  My company bought me Word for Windows
>1.1 a couple of years ago.  I had the same problems you described above.
>I tried to use it for a couple of weeks, gave up and went back to Word
>for DOS.  I was given a copy of WFW 2.0a about eight months ago and
>agreed to try it again.  I expereinced none of the same problems, so I've
>been using it ever since.
>
>  WFW 1.1 sucks dead bunnies thru a straw, IMHO.  2.0 is okay.  Beats me
>about Pro write, I've never used it.

When talking about creating and printing documents, it should be remembered
that it is only WYSIWYG if the dots per inch of the screen equals the dots
per inch of the printer.  This is a fact of life for those who do DTP to
make a living.

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From: marnold@cwis.unomaha.edu (Matthew Eldon Arnold)
Subject: Re: What's the story with Commodore marketing?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:29:05 GMT

Chris "Slothman" Stoy  writes:
> Ok, here's a thought:  Why doesn't Commodore start putting Amigas in large
> department stores like Sears? 
> If Commodore doesn't start
> pushing their machines into retail stores were Joe Consumer can get his hands
> on it and see if he likes it, then I fear the Amiga will die a slow, painful,
> bloody death.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Chris "Slothman" Stoy |  DISCLAIMER: The views expressed within are not
> cms129 at psuvm       |  mine but those of my pet hamster Gizmo. HE'S
> cms129@psuvm.psu.edu  |  responsible for this! Blame him!        ^^^^
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

I recently saw an A500 on display at Montgomery Ward's here in Omaha.
It was turned off -- not doing a thing.  Software Etc used to be
more serious about the Amiga.  But when they had their Amiga on display,
it also sat there doing nothing.

Software Etc and other retailers get their demos from the game publishers,
right?  They're then distributed to all of the stores.  Software Etc never
seems to be at a loss for something to run on their clones.  They've 
always got a demo of the latest Dynamix game or something.  I'm sure if
Software Etc (or Montgomery Ward) had demos to run, they would show them.
Unfortunately, the only demo I ever seen there was Shadow of the Beast 2.

I don't want to be pessimistic, but as far as the retailers are concerned,
"The Amiga had its chance."  IT's going to take a lot of effort on
somebody's part to make software easily available once again.  Currently,
the retailers in this town are not receptive at all to the idea of
stocking Amiga software once again.
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Future Entertainment Show, London
Distribution: world
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:25:25 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <Paula_Lieberman.0796@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>I wonder if Kodak could get hit with restraint of trade......  A company
>with a valid patent lost it, because its licensing included a No
>Competition for years clause.  A company which refused to sign that kind of
>agreement deliberately infringed on the patent, and when sued by the patent
>owner, the patent owner's patent was declared null and void for reason of
>constraint of trade.
>
>
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

So when are you going to learn to use the article quoting features that
are part of DLG Pro?

It does work, as I have already demonstrated by posting from amicol.UUCP.

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From: tbrown@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu (ted croft brown)
Subject: Re:  PowerPC: how much of a threat?
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:14:22 GMT

In article <root.02v3@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>IBM is now shipping the Power PC chips to Apple.  They are a scaled down 
>version of the RISC chip used in the RS/6000.
>
>At this point, Apple is working to put the MAC OS environment on top of
>A/UX, their UNIX product.  Who can say how fast they will be, as the
>MAC apps will have to be executed through an emulator of the 680x0.

A/UX already runs Macintosh programs, though I have heard it's not 100%
compatiable, but what Mac is anyway?  Taligent won't have to run all of 
the Mac program under emulation either.  Apple did studies of typical
Mac programs like Excel and Pagemaker and found that they spend a high
percentage (80%+) of time executing Macintosh Toolbox calls.  Thus, all they
have to do is port the entire toolbox to native Power PC code and all the
Toolbox calls will run without emulation speed loss.  The only really dif-
icult about this is having the souce code and the right to port it.  I 
don't think that Taligent will have this problem :).   Apple is also
paying attention to the porting problem, and are trying to make a Mac app
be able to just be recompiled and run on Taligent at native CPU speeds, but 
would be a Mac program and not a fully Taligent OS program.

>
>According to what I have heard, the Taligent operating system will come
>out in 1994, and in it's first release will only run Taligent native
>binaries.

Yeah, well we are talking about Apple and IBM here :). (Though they both
have been showing signs of life lately...)

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From: spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: How much of the old OCS stuff will break on AGA machines?
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:08:33 GMT
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <jon.taylor.43.721955149@uuserv.cc.utah.edu> jon.taylor@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (JON M. TAYLOR) writes:
>
>	Well?  If I get one (4000 or 1200), will I have to throw away every 
>hardware-bashing game I own, every demo I own, and only be able to keep:
>
>A) OLD stuff like arcticfox and marble madness that didn't hit the hardware,
>B) utilities (CLI-type stuff), and
>C) the occasional OS-friendly game (like SimCity)?

This depends on the software. The AGA chip set is backwards compatible with ECS
and the original chip set, so as long as the games programmers are following the
rules layed down in the Hardware Ref Manual (eg setting unused bits in registers
to 0, masking out unused bits, not writing to unused registers etc), and are
cleanly taking over the machine, then they should still work. For example, I'll
bet Starglider and Starglider 2 work fine. Also, the software has to be able to
work on processors more advanced than the 68000, ie the '020 and '040. The
presence of the '040 could break some badly written software.

As it happens, a large percentage of software (h/w bashing games, OS friendly
games, and applications) work just dandy on a 1200 or 4000, though I don't know
the exact figure.

>
>	If so, it's not worth it.  I'll stick with an A500 with 1 meg chip 
>and 1 meg fast with PAL, and I'll check back in ~2 years to see if anyone 
>has actually written any stuff for AGA.  BTW, if C= had to totally redesign 
>the chipset and break all the old stuff, why didn't they improve the sound?

1) The AGA chip set is not a total redesign - it is just a logical extension to
ECS.
2) The AGA chip set was designed to enhance the graphics capabilities of the
Amiga. Sound improvemente were beyond the scope of the AGA project.

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