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From: vnesiah@aludra.usc.edu (Deep Third Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Re: Best SriLanakan cricket team
Date: 2 Oct 1992 08:16:03 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Keywords: too good to pass up

In article <BvI0zE.Ao6@acsu.buffalo.edu> sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Muhunthan Sivapragasam) writes:

>Here is "my" best srilankan team, consisting of players who played
>test cricket for SL :

>1.    S. Wettimuny
>2.    R. Mahanama
>3.    Aravinda De Silva
>4.    R. Dias
>5.    D. Mendis  (c)
>6.    A. Ranatunge
>7.    M. Gunatilake (wk)
>8.    D. S. DeSilva
>9.    Rumesh Ratnayake
>10    A. DeMel
>11.   A. DeSilva
>12.   Ravi Ratnayake

>	choosing a team for SL according ( to me ) is much easier than
>choosing one for india, pakistan, or any other country.

I agree. I have no problems with your selection with the exception of Mahes
Gunatilake and Ravi Ratnayake.  Mahes was very good in his prime but was 
getting on in age and size. He did not have too many years left.

My choice would be either Amal Silva, Brendon Kurruppu or Guy De Alwis.
Amal and Brendon were better batsmen but Guy was a better wicket keeper.
Guy's batting record was poor because he lacked the attitude for 1st class
cricket.  He was an explosive bat at the school level and he did very well
when he captained the SL U-19 side against the visiting AUS U-19 in the
early 1980s. That team included David Hookes and Graham Yallop (?).

As a keeper, however, he was very athletic and his long reach came in very
handy.  My choice therefore would be Guy de Alwis.  We need a spec.keeper
rather than a batsman who can keep.  Tough choice dropping Brendan Kurrupu
who scored a double ton on debut.

I would also move Roy Dias up a notch and push Aravinda down a notch.
Roy would do a better job if we lost an early wicket. Aravinda needs to mature.
I would also push Rumesh and Ashantha up a few notches to #8 and #9 and
move D.S. down to #10.

I would also pick Amal Silva as my 12th man. He is a great 12th man and
he has served in this position long enough to be comfortable with it.
Ravi Ratnayake is probably one of the worst fielders SL has had. 
His bowling is also not good enough to warrant dropping Ashantha or Rumesh.

I don't think Duleep Mendis would do a good job as Captain.  My choice
would be S.Wettimuny. Mendis needs the freedom to concentrate on his
batting (like Aravinda).  Second choice would be Arjuna Ranatunga
(although he is a bit junior).
 
>	Ajith DeSilva is a left arm spinner. Besides D. S. DeSilva ( who
>was almost past his prime when SL got test status ) he is the only test
>class spinner SL has produced.

Agreed.

>							--muhunthan

Vasee
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: ahme0002@student.tc.umn.edu (Wajihuddin Ahmed)
Subject: TEST
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:15:48 GMT

TEST

-- 

           WAJIHUDDIN AHMED
          EE senior. U of MN
 <<< all that glitters is not gold >>>
From: karnik@exa.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Test 11 to SA and ODI 11 too (Looooong !)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:27:38 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In <1992Oct5.150937.27161@engage.pko.dec.com> prasad@cpdw.enet.dec.com (R Bharani Prasad) writes:
>In article <karnik.718146038@giga>, karnik@giga.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes...

>>	That's sad, because IMHO, he's the better batsman, period.
>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>        How do U say? Please support Ur argument.

	As I mentioned, that is simply my opinion, based on what I've seen
of both Jadeja and Raman. I've seen much more of Raman than of Jadeja, but
he's just failed to impress *me* (not that it matters...). Jadeja, *IMHO*, is
more correct, less liable to go fishing outside off stump, and more technically
sound than Raman. OTOH, Raman might well be better to watch when he gets going
but I've not had that pleasure yet.

>>>>Wicket Keeper: More
>> 
>>	Sack him!
>        ^^^^^^^^

>        No, not him, please. Though his keeping abilities are on the decline
>his gutsy batting has always come in handy, in the Tests. And, lets give Yadav
>some time to mature. 

	Agreed that Yadav needs time to mature. But keeping More in the team
for his batting isn't right either. Most of the other keepers in the reckoning
are better batsmen than More - Pandit, Yadav, Saba Karim, Mongia.... and
probably better keepers too.

>  If Ravi is going to play at No.6 / No.7 then having Sanjay at No.3 makes
>sense. We can't afford to hv both at the top. And Ravi coming down the order,
>is a slogger. But, I'm wary about opening with Ajay and Raman. Real, tough
>decision.  

	Sure is... which is why I think the selectors seem to have decided to 
stick with Shastri as the opener, and pick one from Jadeja & Raman to be his
partner.

>>	As a matter of fact, it may not be too much to expect these three to
>>share 20 overs between them. If Raman is in the team, he might also chip in
>                                 ^^^^^                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>  Boy, are U kidding. Even Raman will have only vague memories of 'Raman the
>bowler'. But, when Aamir Sohail can, why not Raman [for he started off as a
>bowler]. Ajay can, in fact, go thru his 10 overs. And being a better fielder
>he books his place [in the one dayers] ahead of Raman. 

	Has Raman given up bowling altogether ? Does he bowl at all in the 
Ranji games ? He certainly hasn't done anything of note as a bowler, but I
don't know if he's given up bowling altogther.

>  Choosing between Kumble and Raju, for the one-dayers, is also a tough 
>decision.

	I suppose Kumble would make it, on the basis of his recent form and
his past performance in ODIs. Also, he's said to be a decent batsman (at Ranji
level of course :-)

>/Bharani
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran   Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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University of Minnesota         |        karn0001@student.tc.umn.edu
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From: sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU (Muhunthan Sivapragasam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket,soc.culture.sri-lanka
Subject: Best SriLanakan cricket team
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:45:13 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci
Originator: sivap-m@sybil.cs.Buffalo.EDU

With so much discussion about best and worst teams various teams i
thought it is time someone came up with something about a best
SriLankan team.

Here is "my" best srilankan team, consisting of players who played
test cricket for SL :

1.    S. Wettimuny
2.    R. Mahanama
3.    A. DeSilva
4.    R. Dias
5.    D. Mendis  (c)
6.    A. Ranatunge
7.    M. Gunatilake (wk)
8.    D. S. DeSilva
9.    Rumesh Ratnayake
10    A. DeMel
11.   A. DeSilva
12.   Ravi Ratnayake

	choosing a team for SL according ( to me ) is much easier than
choosing one for india, pakistan, or any other country.

	only positions i had to consider more than one name was :
		a. second opener. i could not think about anybody better
than Mahanama. Warnapura was past his prime when SL got test status.
Hathurusinghe, and ( hey who is the other guy who opened in the worldcup
and did reasonably well ? ) came to my mind but i have not seen them much,
and they have not played much either.
		b. captain. although choosing the middle order was the
easiest of all tasks, choosing the captain was not easy as such. i guess
SL never had a very good captain. so i had to choose mendis who captained
SL in both their test victories. but i would not say he is a very good
captain by any means.
		c. the two fast bowlers. although Ravi Ratnayake is a good
allrounder, DeMel, and Rumesh are much better bowlers in my opinion.

	some clarifications :
	Mahesh Gunatilake was SLankas first test wicket keeper. I tend to
think he is the only test class keeper SL had so far. All others belong to
batsman who could keep wicket too category. He went to South Africa and
exited the test arena.
	Ajith DeSilva is a left arm spinner. Besides D. S. DeSilva ( who
was almost past his prime when SL got test status ) he is the only test
class spinner SL has produced.

							--muhunthan
	
-- 
						S. Muhunthan,

	"The shortest distance between two people is a smile"
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From: SXK120@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: West Indies Cricket
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:47:20 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


In article <Anthony_Maillard-300992175147@appletalk-67.mdd.comm.mot.com>,

Anthony_Maillard@Mdd.comm.mot.com (Anthony Maillard) says:
>
>Does anyone have any news on cricket in the West Indies?
>
>Anthony Maillard - "Trini in the know....."



Hi,
   I don't have any news right off hand.  But the BBC World Service has news
of Caribbean Sports on its nightly CARIBBEAN REPORT program.  I think(This is
from memory and I haven't listened to it in quite a while) that it is on at
7:00 to 7:30  p.m.  Eastern Daylight Time  on Caribbean Frequencies, which
include 6175(?) khz.  If you have access to a SW radio, this a great source to
get daily updates for all sports in the region.

   Also, cricket scores of the Red Stripe Cup(I think that's what the domestic
tournament is called) are reported on Saturday's  "SPORTSWORLD" program which
runs for three hours on every Saturday morning on frequencies like 15260, 15070
etc.
   If you or anyone else need more details, e-mail and I  can look info up for
you.

  -Samir Khosla.
   sxk120 at psuvm.psu.edu
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From: dos105@rsphy2.anu.edu.au (Darren O'Shaughnessy)
Subject: Hong Kong - International Sixes Tournament
Followup-To: rec.sport.cricket
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 00:38:14 GMT

   The idea with the (inaugural) Sixes Tournament is that each team has six
players, each of whom bowl one over. The batting team is all out if six
batters are out (? How does this work? Last man's tucker?). Other than
that, I know very little about it. Countries sent varying standards of
teams.

   Results:

   Day One:
    Group A: New Zealand  1-80 d. Zimbabwe     4-76
             Zimbabwe     2-65 d. India        3-55
             India        0-58 d. New Zealand  2-57
      Zimbabwe were unlucky to be eliminated on the fewer-wickets rule.
    Group B: Pakistan     3-77 d. Australia    5-59
             Hong Kong    4-74 d. Australia      47
             Hong Kong    2-89 d. Pakistan     1-88
      Hong Kong pulled off a splendid victory, needing 16 in the final
over.
      Australia's team was composed of has-beens and never-weres, as far as
I
      can tell. Does this make Hong Kong a likely contender in the next
World
      Cup? :-)
    Group C: England     2-103 d. Sri Lanka    4-87
             West Indies  1-82 d. England      4-75
             West Indies  1-70 d. Sri Lanka    2-69

   Day Two:
    Plate Final: Sri Lanka    0-68 d. Zimbabwe     4-67
    Group A: Pakistan     4-74 d. West Indies  2-66
             Pakistan     2-83 d. New Zealand  2-72
             West Indies  2-76 d. New Zealand  2-75
    Group B: India        1-87 d. England      4-81
             India        1-58 d. Hong Kong    5-55
             England      1-57 d. Hong Kong    3-53

    Cup Final: India        3-60  (R.Shastri 21, K.Azad 17)
               Pakistan     2-65  (Salim Malik 29, Javed Miandad 19*, Aamir
Sohail 14*)

      PAKISTAN wins by four wickets.

Signed,            |   "It is not Life itself which is precious, but
  Pat Rourke       |    Quality of Life. However, Quality of Life is
                   |      not an Objective thing; it is up to the
(you may not have  |        individual to decide what te values."
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Indian enthusiasm in sports
From: ravishan@swan.wesleyan.edu (Ganesan Ravishanker)
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:09:12
Organization: Wesleyan University
In-reply-to: sanjeev@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz's message of 27 Sep 1992 18:20:54 GMTLines: 16

In article <1a4u26INN2k7@golem.wcc.govt.nz> sanjeev@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

>>   This is perhaps a reflection on our attitudes. We are better talkers than
>>   doers :-)

	Perhaps there should be a category in "talking" in the Olympics,
so we can bag a medal or two - but then we will have our Olympic Committee
fighting over the language to be used in "talking", politicians taking it
upon themselves to defend one language over the other, people
self-immolating themselves and so on.... - It is not worth it!


	BTW, why is it that there are no one-day cricket in the Olympics?

Ravi
From: raza@engrg.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Pakistan vs Rest of The World
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:10:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: julian.1992Sep30.201045.26075
Organization: DA&MRL, Engineering, UWO, London Ont. CA

In article <mamohamm.717705464@vela>, mamohamm@pluto.acs.oakland.edu (SKEPTICAL) writes:
|> 
|> 	Does anybody know what happened to the match between 
|> 	Pakistan and Rest of the World in Toronto?
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> ____________________________________________________________________
|> A Man Wants To Be The Girl's First Love,
|> 			  A Woman Wants To Be The Man's Last Romance
|> 					  < somebody else's saying >


Rest of the world won the match by six wkts, scores:

Pakistan 320/8 in 45 overs (Mudassar 149*, Inzi 82)
Rest of the world 321/4 in 37.? overs (B.Lara 104, Tendulkar 78*)

The match was played on a small ground of sky dome around thirty sixes were
hit in match! cricket wise it was more of a joke but it was fun watching it.
Around 25000 fans turned up to watch the match.

Personally i think that if they are really interested in organising cricket
in North America then they should organise it in Sharjah's manner, i.e., they should 
organise international matches. These type of matches b/w some country and world eleven
does'nt appeal cricket crowd and players both. IMO market here in NA is bigger then
sharjah b/c big numbers of WIian population is also living over here.

To make it short cricket organisers in NA are basically cricket illetrate(IMHO offcourse)
what we need is someone like Asif Iqbal.

Any opinions?

S.R.Raza
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From: sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea)
Subject: Re: Venkatesh Prasad
Reply-To: sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea)
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:51:01 GMT

>In article <00961A27.F5B93200@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer) writes...
 [stuff deleted]
>reason is not only cricket, but also something like an instruction to Vishy and
>Co, "Do not consider Maninder" from BCCI. In fact, it might be the latter only.
>Anyone who knows how the board runs its affairs would guess that the board's
>heavy-handed attitude has played a major role here. So, no point in blaming any
>individuals like Vishy or the north zone selector. 

Murali,
Please don't post this kind of sensationalism on the net. 
What has BCCI against Maninder that they would send instructions to the 
selectors not to consider him?
It's just that the selectors thought that Raju was better, plain and simple.
(Or do u have some inside information?)

- Sougata


==============================================================================	
  Sougata Mukherjea (sougata@cc.gatech.edu)
  Graphics Visualization and Usability Center
  College of Computing
  Georgia Institute of Technology 
=============================================================================
From: vnesiah@usc.edu (Deep Third Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Best england XI since 1970
Date: 30 Sep 1992 11:12:40 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep30.133741.9480@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>
>After the worst England XI since 1970 here's the best one (IMHO)

>1. Geoff Boycott (Yorkshire)
>2. Graham Gooch (Essex)
>3. David Gower (Leicestershire/Hampshire)
>4. Derek Randall (Nottinghamshire)
>5. Tony Greig (Sussex)
>6. Ian Botham (Somerset/Worcestershire/Durham)
>7. Alan Knott (Kent) (wk)
>8. Ray Illingworth (Yorkshire/Leicestershire) (captain)
>9. Derek Underwood (Kent)
>10. John Snow (Sussex/Warwickshire)
>11. Bob Willis (Surrey/Warwickshire)
>12th man Mike Gatting (Middlesex)

Gooch over Amiss?

Did Cowdrey play in the early 70s? 

Can't you think of somebody else?

I say make Randall the 12th man and put a specialist bat in there.

Push Gooch down a peg if you have to.

Willis is also not a good choice IMHO. 

No better than Lever.

Pringle (Derek) at his best (mid 80s) would have been a better choice.

No arguement with your other selections.



- Vaseeharan
From: agrden@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Simon Davis
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:55:23 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <Bv0Fux.B3I@cs.psu.edu>, tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara) writes:
> In article <Bv0Eon.95@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> chalmers@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (David Chalmers) writes:
> 
>>about Froggy Thomson, and I have no idea who Simon Davis is, except
>>that he played one test against NZ in 1985.  Who is he?
> 
> Isn't he the same chap that won the best-bowler-of-the-WSC award a few years
> ago ? This was the year in which the Aussies beat India 2-0 in the finals
> & I think Davis had the then-rampaging Srikanth bowled for a duck in the
> second final. This was also the year in which the best strike rate for a
> batsman in the WSC belonged to Kapil Dev.
> 
> Mahesh.

"Sniffer" Davis was a regular Victorian Shield Player.   Captained Victoria for
two (I think) seasons opened the bowling regularly  but as newer, younger
players arrived he (combined with  a loss of form) simply ceased to be picked. 
An honest, toiling fast/medium bowler    but never really destined for
greatness


Kevin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: barats@microsoft.com (Barat Shah)
Subject: Re: Irani Update - Oct 1st.
Date: 05 Oct 92 22:17:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <karnik.717951768@deci> karnik@deci.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:
>	Any idea what happened between the ROI and Delhi innings ? Did it
>rain or something ? I mean, here we were, moaning about huge scores in the 
>domestic competitions, and suddenly a team like Delhi gets shot out twice
>under 300... Kumble was pretty cheap too, considering that he's a legspin
>bowler. But of course, we already knew (or were TOLD, by PVR :-) that he 
>was a good ODI bowler!
>

  A very subtle move by Delhi to keep some people out ot reckoning- They
  made sure that they get only one chance :-)

  Bharat
  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
From: chalmers@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (David Chalmers)
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:28:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.011929.20075@marlin.jcu.edu.au> ccjwm@marlin.jcu.edu.au (John Miller) writes:

>1st team (Others' choices)		2nd team (my choices)
>--------------------------		---------------------
>
> 1.Gavaskar				 1.Haynes
> 2.Greenidge				 2.Gooch
> 3.Richards			 	 3.Zaheer
> 4.Miandad				 4.Greg Chappell
> 5.Border				 5.Gower
> 6.Kapil Dev				 6.Clive Lloyd (Capt.)
> 7.Imran Khan (Capt.)			 7.Botham
> 8.Dujon				 8.Rod Marsh
> 9.Hadlee				 9.Garner
>10.Malcolm Marshall			10.Lillie
>11.Qadir				11.Holding
>12.Maninder				12.Phil Edmonds

This second team is a bit silly.  Presumably, players like
Chappell, Marsh, Lillee, Lloyd, Holding,and Zaheer were excluded
from consideration from the first XI, as the majority of their
cricket was played in the 70's.  If one is going to consider
these players, then some of them -- at least the first three
mentioned -- will be automatic choices for the first XI.  So
the second XI should also be made up of real 80's players.  So
(going with the first XI given above):

1. Haynes
2. Gooch
3. Richardson
4. Gower
5. Crowe
6. Jones
7. Botham
8. Smith
9. Garner
10.Walsh
11.Iqbal Qasim

The first 6 batsmen seem to me automatic choices (Vengsarkar and
Mohinder Amarnath could challenge for places, but aren't obviously
superior to those mentioned above and aren't so centered on the
80's either).  Same for Garner and Botham, and Smith seems to be
as good a choice for keeper as anybody.  That leaves a third fast
bowler and a spinner.  The spinner is a tough one, there aren't
any really outstanding candidates -- maybe Iqbal Qasim?  The
third bowler is between Willis, Walsh, Alderman, and Wasim Akram,
all of whom have something counting against them: Alderman and
Willis were inconsistent, Walsh and Wasim Akram only played near
the end of the period.  Overall, maybe take Walsh, who played about
35 80's tests copared to Akram's 25.

Third team:

1. Mudassar Nazar
2. David Boon
3. Mohinder Amarnath
4. Duleep Vengsarkar
5. Salim Malik
6. Larry Gomes
7. Bob Taylor (wk)
8. Wasim Akram
9. Bruce Yardley
10.Bob Willis
11.Terry Alderman

This is just a quick selection, but seems to make sense.  Maybe
Azharuddin is unlucky to miss out, but he only played 34 tests in
the 80's, and three Indian batsmen in the side would be excessive.

-- 
Dave Chalmers                            (dave@cogsci.indiana.edu)      
Center for Research on Concepts and Cognition, Indiana University.
"It is not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable."
From: agrden@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Aussie Trivia
Date: 27 Sep 92 02:14:39 GMT
 <10396@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> <1992Sep27.115913.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au>
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <1992Sep27.115913.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au>, agrden@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
> In article <10396@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, sarge@cs.uq.oz.au (The Lemming) writes:
>> In <Bv0Eon.95@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> chalmers@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (David Chalmers) writes:
>> 
>>>There are 8 pairs, in fact.  Nobody seems to have got them all.
>> 
>>>Marsh (Rod/Geoff)
>> 
>> These are related
>> 
>> Sarge
>> --
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Leap before you look.                      sarge@cs.uq.oz.au
>> The Lemming.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _NO_ they are not     The Geoff Marsh you are thinking of is Rod's older
> brother the golfer not cricketer!
> 
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> 


_Silly_ me!    I meant to say that Graham Marsh is Rod's older brother    Geoff
is _no_ relation.


Kevin
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From: khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND)
Subject: Re: Imran Khan -retiring again?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:22:18 GMT


 As far as I know Imran khan has 'announced' his retirement only once. That was at the time of the world cup ,which was staged in Pakistan and India. The 
reason why Imran came back was cause of a request by the late Pakistani 
President Genral Zia. As far as the question as to wether we really need him in our team, well I think he knows the answer to that better than anyone else.    


 laters

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