From: fein@acsu.buffalo.edu (L. Fein)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: FLAMING FEIN...
Date: 11 Oct 92 05:18:18 GMT
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: Land Of Faa Bureau of Idiot Bashing

In article <1992Oct10.224808.7229@ccu.umanitoba.ca> roholdr@ccu.umanitoba.ca (R Ross Holder Jr) writes:
>
>References: <1992Oct9.233841.18176@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <BvwBAH.wB@acsu.buffalo.edu>
>
>In <BvwBAH.wB@acsu.buffalo.edu> fein@acsu.buffalo.edu (L. Fein) writes:
>
>>	He's right. You are pig headed.
>
>Aww, you're hurting my feelings...

	Good.

>
>>	Finally got some smarts, eh?
>
>Well we can't all be as smart (assed) as you.

	True. At least I'm smart enough to ask my system administrators 
well in advance before I run a game. 

And as far as being an ass, looks like you've got that market cornered.

>
>>	Gee, isn't that special. So it turns out you're just paranoid, and 
>>the Manitoba sysadmins aren't the high-iron bitches you'd have us believe.
>
>Let's not jump to conclusions (too late, oh well).  The department isn't half as
>utopic as he seems to think.  And had he read previous articles I posted about

	I never said anything about your administration being "Utopic".
Don't put words in my mouth. 

>certain abuses that have taken place, maybe he'd be less inclined to
>occupy "valuable system resources" with such remarkable ignorance.

	I did read your drivel before. Sounded like crap to me. If you've got
some proof, then spew that. Otherwise shut up.
>
>Then again...probably not.
>
>[He quotes me reiterating Computer Services policy with regard to Empire.]

	I quoted your entire article. Caught shooting from the hip, weren't we?

>
>>	Yeah, whatever.
>
>What distinguishes this heckling dillitante's remarks as mere rhetoric is
>his apparent interest in sharing the brighter parts of his character with
>us rather than realizing what I had been saying all the long isn't far from
>the truth.

	Now there's a series of 25 cent words! I didn't think they taught
anything at Umanitoba other than Igloo building and snowshoeing. Sorry.
You had that coming. And what is it that you've been saying all along thats
the truth?


>
>>>This information was obtained by way of pam@ccu.umanitoba.ca.  It is as
>>>I predicted though - they'd really rather not be bothered.  Sigh...it's
>>>good to know that I haven't lost all my marbles - and that sometimes I'm
>>>even right.
>
>>	Yeah, just as you predicted. Gosh, you're my hero Wally!
>
>The Peeve, here, sure sounds indignant enough.  Never before has such baffling
>density made itself visible in the realitively short time I've been here.  I
>would hope this is a rare phenomenon.


 Indignant? No, I don't give a flying f*ck through a rolling doughnut 
about all this. It's just you were going to do something very stupid.
And when all those players that signed up for your game got screwed, well,
that's not something I like to see happen. As my good buddy Geoff said:
take it to E-mail.

>
>I'd much rather see what players who can't find games to join have to say -

	Not. You're too busy trying to prove to the world at large (Which,
IMNSHO, don't really care too much) that your site is run by reallly nasty
people that are out to get you and the rest of your fun loving friends.


>I'm sure many of them don't have a problem with the position I voiced earlier.

	If you hadn't asked and the game had been shut down, well, you can bet 
they'd have been more than a little unhappy with you.

>Certainly, the 50 players in the 'unauthorized' Tyro I game don't seem to
>have the same difficulties as Mr. Fein.


	Yeah, except for the three or four that bailed out before the game
started (HI LSF, et al) because they saw trouble coming.

>  It's even my understanding that they
>were told, initially, that we'd had no particular inclination (nor was
>there a visible necessity) to inform system administrators.  

Who told them? You? Did any of them SAY that they didn't care that you were
being irresponsible?


>Even if this
>isn't the case, players certainly had the facility to learn about it easily
>enough - after all they came here to learn of the game's existance in the
>first place.

	It seems to me that the only way some of them would have found out
would be "connection refused". ANd that's not the way to find out that the
system administrators didn't want you to run a game.



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