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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: This Whole Deity Thing (Was ---'s Family Values)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:52:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.113345.6097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:

>In my case, my animosity arises because I see people's claims about what god
>wants, as a threat to me. Attempts are made - sometimes successfully - to make
>laws which impact on me, based on what somebody thinks god wants.
>If these people want to delude themselves into believing grotesque fairy 
>stories, which is what I believe the christian story is, then thats fine.
>When it spills over to effect me in someway, I'll react, if necessary
>with animosity.
>
>Brandon Hutchison,University of Canterbury,Christchurch
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                  New Zealand

Hard to escape, isn't it?

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The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: tshirt info
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:23:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Jul24.154239.16079@news.eng.convex.com> newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton) writes:
>lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) posted about his t-shirt:
>
>>> The T-Shirt has "(c) R.H.E. Printed by Dallas Alice" included in 
>>> the printing.  Sounds like a reasonable shot that there's a
>>> business called Dallas Alice in (um, er...) Dallas.
>
>i live in dallas and will do some scouting around for such a
>business.  they are not listed in the phone book and information
>didn't know of them but i'll keep looking.  will post whatever
>i find.
>
>veek

I live in the greater San Francisco area - I'll keep an eye out,
too.  Andy, it would be helpful if you could email me your phone
number: that way if I find the shirts, I can call you for a count
of how many to buy.

Teri
From: kerry@seaspray.welly.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: breastfeeding and nipple rings
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 19:49:52 PDT
Organization: Who me??? Organised?....Never!!!  Wellington, New Zealand.

> healing closed occurred.
> 
> |> Anyone who knows more than this, do let me know; I
> |> plan a short section in the FAQ.
> |>
> |> Kate
> 
> After all the pain I've suffered in nursing, here's a complicating 
> factor I'm grateful not to have! (The pain is *finally* getting better--
> I don't know what I would have done without the Medela pump to give me 
> a break. So now I'm suffering from a pump-induced excess supply. What 
> do you do about that? To taper off the supply, you have to suffer with 
> engorgement. This is just like pregnancy--one problem becomes bearable 
> just as another, rises to take its place! Fortunately the following 
> problem is never as bad as the preceding one. And it is worth it.
> 
> Paula 
> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu


Just a thought, Paula....Oversupply is often helped by nursing one-sided for 
a few days....At each feed, only give one breast, and let the baby really 
empty it.....If it needs a little more, offer the other....but that isn't 
usually necessary for women with too much milk.

One-sided nursing can settle down oversupply very quickly....the reduced 
stimulation lessens the flow, and the baby tends to get a btter mix of fore 
and hind milk at each feed.....
 
Hope this helps....Best wishes...Kerry :-)
From: vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hitting/Potty Training (3 yr)
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:42:03 GMT
Reply-To: vivier@hamal.crd.ge.com (Barbara Vivier)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

I didn't see the original post so I hope this isn't a repeat.

1)  My son never used the potty; he much preferred to imitate his father
and stand on a stool in front of the toilet.

2)  When his motivation flagged, we used some "tinkle targets".  I bought
them from the Right Start catalog and we treated it as a game to see if
he could hit the target (floating on the water in the toilet).  At least in his
case, it worked to return his motivation.

3)  Stickers, stickers....some people give a sticker for every successful
use of the potty/toilet.  An accumulation of some number of stickers results
in a new book or toy.  When my son regressed 6 months into his training,
we used stickers by giving him a sticker for every day he stayed dry.
10 stickers allowed him to get a Dalmation.  (yes, a stiff price but it
worked.)
We actually only had to do two 10 sticker cycles before he forgot to insist
on being awarded his daily sticker.

good luck


Barbara
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 10:58:54 EDT
From: <34LI6RE@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Burley Bike Cart for kids

My neighbor, without net access, has asked a question:  Does anyone out
in netland have and use a Burley Bike Cart?  (It hooks behind the bike
and the kid(s) ride in the cart.)  Do you use the canopy?  Do the kids
stay in it?

Does anyone have a used one they would like to sell?

E-mail to me and I'll forward to them.

Thanks!

Holly Whitehead
Central Michigan University
34li6re@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rrg@rtp (Rhonda Gaines)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: breast milk storage bags
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:08:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: FiberCom, Inc., Roanoke, Virginia

In article <1992Jul20.230005.12807@silma.com> sj@silma.com (Suzanne) writes:
#A company called Ameda Egnell makes bags specifically
#for storing breast milk.  The bags are reusable, very durable
#and are supposed to keep nutrients from leeching from the
#milk and into the bags.  They come with twist ties and
#an illustrated pamphlet showing how you use this plastic
#clip they give you to squeeze the extra air out of the
#bags.
#The bags can be used as disposable bottles, just like Playtex.
#I've been happy with them so far.  They are much better quality
#than the Gerber and Playtex bags I used with my last baby.
#The company's phone number is (800) 323-8750

I just called Ameda Egnell.  They come 20 8oz bag to a pack for
$7.80/pack.  There's a $3 shipping/handling charge regardless of how
much or how little is ordered.  They accept orders via phone (Visa
or Mastercard) or by mail (check or money order).  They'll also send
you a price list and a brochure/catalog upon request. 

 -rhonda
  gaines@fibercom.com

-- 
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FiberCom, Inc.             UUCP: ...!uunet!fibercom!gaines   
P.O. Box 11966             PHONE: 703-342-6700 or 800-423-1183 x291
Roanoke, VA  24022-1966    FAX:   703-342-5961
From: alan@edstar.ucsb.edu (Alan Moses)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: TROUBLE WITH GYMBOREE?
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:15:35 GMT

I've refrained from commenting on this thread because my wife
and I own a Gymboree franchise, and I don't want to violate
netiquette by making comments that might be construed as being
in some way commerically oriented. However, as Michael Armstrong
said in the original TROUBLE WITH GYMBOREE posting, he is
presenting his side, and he invited interested parties to
contact Gymboree asking for their side.  If for some reason you
don't want to do that, but would like to hear another
perspective, you can contact me directly via email and I'll let
you know what I think. I would be speaking for myself, not as a
representative of Gymboree Corporation.

The main point as I see it is that parents need to evaluate the
safety of any play environment for their children. If you are
considering Gymboree, you should visit a site and take a close
look with an eye towards safety, just as you would at any play
program, or child care setting, or playground, or in your own
home.

-Alan

Alan Moses (alan@edstar.gse.ucsb.edu) 
Santa Barbara, California
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kerri@admin.acadiau.ca (KERRI BREWSTER)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor (% wise)
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.150640.10057@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

>  Easy, don't go to the hospital until you're more than 5 cm.
>  That way they won't give you an epidural.  I can't imagine
>  having a tube stuck in my back.  Ow!  Since my doctor (Ms.
>  Demoral) didn't show up, I escaped that also.  I can't
>  imagine an iv sticking in my arm either.  

I set up a birth plan with my doctor that among other things, laid out what 
I wanted to use for pain relief (TENS and nitrous oxide). Although I *did* 
change my mind in the throes of labour! The hospital staff was very good 
about reminding me what I had specified on my birth plan (was I SURE I 
wanted demerol?) and equally good about giving me what I asked for when I 
confirmed it. Demerol was just a shot in the buttocks -- no IV to worry 
about or anything. 

I was quite saddened to read the message about the Denver (?) hospital that 
said "when you're dilated 5 cm, we give you an epidural". Here they prefer 
epidurals only if the mother asks for one (with the doctor's agreement) or 
for such things as lowering dangerously high blood pressure.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xwiltberger@quark2.aero.org (Rita Wiltberger)
Subject: you know your a parent when..
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: xwiltberger@arecibo.aero.org
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:26:00 GMT

I thought I would pass on a funny story my sister was telling me 
yesterday.  she recently started learning to golf (her hubby is an avid 
golfer and very good also) and she plays with a group of people from 
work.  Anyway they approach the sandtrap area and the following 
conversation takes place..

Veronica:  Oh oh, there's a sandbox coming up
Mike:  Don't you mean sandtrap
Veronica (laughing): sorry, Alex and Michelle are always playing in 
their sandbox and that's all I could think to call it!
Mike:  parenthood strikes again!



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: shahn@hstbme.mit.edu (Samuel Hahn)
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 10:13:37 EDT
Organization: Harvard-MIT/HST
Followup-To: misc.kids,sci.med

In article <92208.182127JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu>, Jennifer Brown
<JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote:
> 
> My fiancee's blood type is A+.  I just got my card from Red Cross (AFTER
> 8 MONTHS OF WAITING FOR IT!) and it states that I am O-.
> 
> First of all, could they be wrong on my blood?  Please, please, say yes.
> Please say that my blood type is really A+, just like his.  That's what
> I really want to hear.

A zillion people have already responded to this question with "RhoGam" so I
won't repeat what they said, but I will add some other information for you:

The fact that you are O- and your fiancee is A+ signficantly reduces the
risk that you will develop anti-Rho antibodies regardless of whether or not
you get RhoGam. This is because since you are blood type O, you almost
certainly have circulating pre-made antibodies to A and B red cells of the
IgM class. These antibodies will quickly clear your circulation of any A or
B cells regardless of their Rh status. It is almost like having a little
bit of RhoGam (although not nearly as concentrated) circulating around all
of the time. If you do experience a little peripartum blood mixing, the IgM
antibodies should mop up any fetal type A cells floating around before your
immune system is able to see the Rh factor and make antibodies (of the IgG
class) against it.

The situation is not that simple of course. If your fiancee is really
heterozygous for type A, i.e. he is really AO. There is a 50% chance that
any child you have will be type O. I honestly do not recall what the
genetics of the Rh factor are so I wouldn't be able to predict what the
probabilities of any child you have of being Rh + or - would be.

Therefore, in general (BEFORE the days of RhoGam), it was better if the
mother and father were mismatched in the ABO system then the issue of Rh
compatibility was much less important (unless the mother was type AB).

Before you ask why don't ABO antibodies cause problems for the fetus like
Rh antibodies? The answer is theoretically in the class of antibodies that
are generated. ABO antibodies are IgM which do NOT cross the placenta. Rh
antibodies are typically IgG which DO cross the placenta. I believe there
have been documented cases where mothers with IgG ABO antibodies and ABO
mismatched fetuses have gotten into serious trouble. In that case, total
in-utero fetal blood exchange is one of the only solutions possible.

P.S. While all of this is scientifically interesting, I would still get the
RhoGam shot if necessary.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Re: Discussing religion in misc.kids (Was: Re: God's Family Values)
Keywords: sarcasm, seriousness
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:25:52 GMT

reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>>just as the homosexual, athiest, single, jewish, person-of-color, democratic,
              ^^^^^^^^^^   
>A good example.  Try stating that it's fine for homsexuals to be parents
>and teachers, and see how much understanding and tolerance you get.


as an aside I just want to toss in that of a total 8 teachers my two sons
have had so far, 2 were homosexual and they were the best of the 8.
I'M NOT making a sweeping generalization here just an observation. 
I also want to mention that it helped me stamp out almost all of my 
remaining homophobia....

now back to our regular flamage...

Eber
From: pauling@seismo.CSS.GOV (Terry Pauling)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Thanks for Sick Baby advice
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:55:09 GMT



Thanks to all who responded to my "Sick Baby Woes".

I really appreciate all of the thoughtful comments and
advice!


Again Thanks-a-Bunch!

Terry
-----

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barb@sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Re: Transition from Smooth to "Lumpy" Food
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:53:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.155430.21038@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catherine Robshaw) writes:
>My son Bradley is 9.5 mo old.  I have been trying to get him
>used to more solid, lumpy foods.  He is used to his baby
>food, cereals, etc.  If I try anything the least bit lumpy
>with him (i.e. junior mixed veggies, mashed bananas, real
>cereal, junior carrots), he gags terribly and won't eat it.  
>Should he not be able to handle these foods by now?  I read
>that babies should pretty well be eating all "real" food
>by a year old.  Am I being unrealistic?  Did I wait too long?
>Are there any foods I should be starting him off on?
>Any advice?  If this topic has already been covered, I
>apologize. I am new on the net, and have really enjoyed
>all the postings.  I am learning a lot!
>
>Catharine Robshaw
>ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu
>
>

Hi, I'm also new to misc.kids.  A co-worker suggested I start reading
after hearing my moaning and groaning and worrying about Jordan the
wonder baby (it's a wonder he's here as Doctors have told me most of
my adult 36 year old life that my body wasn't capable of doing this) who
at the age of 10 months (Aug 2) still isn't completely sleeping through
the night!!!!  (He still like a bottle around 2am.)

Anyway, we started Jordan on the junior foods about three weeks ago.  He
wasn't pleasantly surprised by the texture either - gagged alot too.  It
helped if we watered the serving down a little and had more sauce with
just a few lumps.  I found that some of those meat and veggie jars were
pretty thick.  He gets the same amount....a little watery....and this seems
to be solving the problem.  In fact, now he hardly seems to notice the
difference.  But we're still being cautious not to stuff too many lumps
in there at the same time.

I'm really enjoying this group.  I can't tell you the number of times
I've wanted to jump in....felt a little too shy.  I feel like I've suddenly
tapped into a whole new group of friends who are sharing VERY similar
experiences.  This is great!  The only problem is I'm also supposed to
be working! 8-(
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Why do we do it?
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:19:57 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:

>Why do we read all the labor stories when we are pregnant?  Are we
>masochists (sp?)? Do we just prefer to inflict more worry upon our
>selves?  Are we looking for the secret to a painfree birth experience?

Because knowledge is power.  After things calm down here (Jordan is 10
days old today), I'm going to start a new FAQ file, that isn't even a
frequently asked question :-) I want to collect "What I wish I'd
known--first trimester, second, third, hospital, labor and delivery,
postpartum".

The doula at Jordan's birth kept surprising me with information I
didn't know, but being told helped.  Everytime I moved and was
rewarded by an _incredibly_ painful contraction, she'd remind me that
"changing positions makes the contractions feel stronger".  It really
helped me remember that they'd calm down (a bit) once I stayed still
for a little while.

Last night, Dean and I rented the movie "The Doctor", and it struck me
that knowing the -procedure- that was about to be followed made me
feel more in control--nobody was springing stuff on me.

So, that's why we read the labor stories:
   --preparation for what lies ahead
   --knowledge of additional choices
   --basis for hope our labors wont' be as bad :-)


--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Subject: Re: Why did you become a parent? (was Re: Are kids really worth it?)
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 22:16:45 GMT

The comment about not wanting to "be an emotional hostage to someone who
will break my heart" really hits my anxiety zone.  Probably the most 
terrifying thing about parenthood for me is realizing how absolutely and
totally vulnerable I now am, how much the consuming love I have for my
daughter is like having my emotional self hanging by a single cable that
any of a zillion things in life could come along and cut - death, kid
rejects us and runs away, etc.  My kid is NOT my whole life but I'm
very aware of how badly I could be hurt by what might happen to her.

But . . . what's your alternative?  Hole up in comfortable insularity?
That's safe, but sterile and loveless.  As the poster said, it's too
late now: you either take the leap out of the plane and trust the
Parachute or you stay on the ground and never soar at all.  

-- 
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paul marxhausen                              \/               grace 
university of nebraska - lincoln             /\              happens           
===============================================================================
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gordonb@mot.com (Gordon Berkley)
Subject: Info needed: Juvenile Diabetes
Reply-To: gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:43:10 GMT

Help!  We just received a call from my sister-in-law telling us that
our 6 year-old niece has juvenile diabetes.  I know that this topic was
heavily discussed in the past, but - as is always the case - at the time
I was not interrested.

Could anyone who has *real* info in the topic please forward it to me?
My wife is going nuts and *NEEDS* reliable data.

What exactly is it?  What are the long term affects?  Etc Etc Etc

Thanx in advance.
-- 
[  Gordon D. Berkley    INTERNET: gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com   POST: cgb001   ]
[  PHONE: +972 (3) 565-8727      FAX: +972 (3) 565-8754      (UTC-2)         ]
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Vitamin A
Date: 24 Jul 1992 16:14:37 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Jul24.122234.23522@doc.ic.ac.uk>, eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk (Liz Attree) writes:
|> Does anybody know what the latest school of thought is regarding taking excess
|> Vitamin A before getting pregnant and during pregnancy?  There were some 
|> reports about 18 months ago (at least in the UK) about excessive Vitamin A
|> being thought to cause possible facial deformities in the fetus, and therefore
|> people who were pregnant or trying to get pregnant were advised against 
|> vitamin supplements or eating too much liver.
|> 
|> Is this still recommended, or have vitamin supplements been given the OK yet?

Reasonable vitamin supplements have always been considered safe. By 
"reasonable", I mean a supplement containing approximately the RDA 
(recommended daily allowance) for each vitamin, rather than many times 
that amount.

Excessive doses of vitamin A have always been considered unsafe, however, 
even if you're not pregnant. Sensitivites vary widely, but taking much 
more than the RDA of the fat-soluble vitamins (A & D) or of minerals such 
as selenium is dangerous and foolish, besides having no good effects 
whatsoever. Even a single huge dose of vitamin A during gestation will 
cause facial deformities in rats. I couldn't find  any reference to the 
study Liz mentions. Incidentally, beta-carotene, which the body converts 
into vitamin A, is comparatively harmless.

Taking excessive doses of vitamin C is usually pretty harmless unless you 
have a tendency toward kidney stones, although no well-controlled studies 
have shown any benefits to result from this, but if you take them during 
pregnancy, your baby may get scurvy upon delivery. Even C and B vitamins 
should be taken in only moderate doses during pregnancy.

However, taking a supplement of folic acid, 0.4 to 0.8 mg daily, about the 
time of conception, that is, before you know that you're pregnant, may lower 
your baby's risk of having a neural tube defect such as spina bifida. 0.4 
mg is the US RDA for the non-pregnant, 0.8 for the pregnant. I think that 
it's wise for women to take a sensible vitamin supplement throughout their 
reproductive years, just in case, unless they actually eat a healthy diet 
with five servings of vegetables and fruit a day. (Not many of my friends do.)

Regularly eating vegetables that contain beta-carotene and vitamin C 
will probably reduce your risk of cancer and other diseases. Supplements 
are unlikely to have as good an effect as the actual real foods that 
contain those vitamins.

I seriously doubt that eating liver from herbivores, such as calf and 
chicken liver, could give one an overdose of vitamin A to the point of 
potential toxicity. It's probably wise to eat liver not more than once 
a week, on average, anyway, as (some people say) toxins tend to accumulate 
in an animal's liver.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids