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From: lynx@surrey.amigans.gen.nz (Lynsey Gedye)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.comedy.british,soc.culture.british,alt.fan.monty-python
Subject: Re:  Git (was re: Et in Arcadia ego)
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:08:32 GMT-12
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Organization: Prime Line, Wanganui, New Zealand

In article <1992Dec12.184931.18852@nevada.edu> wwhitman@nevada.edu (MICHAEL WISE) writes:

>Not to mention that many Americans would find the word's use quite 
>offensive.
>
>The language is better employed in genuine vituperation.
>
>***Warning! the language in the following paragraph may be offensive
>to some***

>For example: I wish the fucking prescriptive grammarians in this news-
>group would stop fucking telling me every time I get a fucking period
>out of place or a fucking semicolon wrong. I wish they would mind their
>own fucking business about the fucking dialectical variations I use, and
>stop telling that there own fucking dialect is so fucking superior to 
>mine. I wish they'd take a fucking class in fucking History of the English
>Language, or work for several fucking years writing dictionary 
>definitions for fucking dialect variations, or fucking join the fucking
>American Dialect Society before they start fucking spouting off on what
>the fuck they think I meant to say, but was too fucking ignorant to
>express myself properly.

  Damn straight!

  Then of course, there's John Cooper Clark's "Chicken Town" from
  "Ten Years in an Open Neck Shirt" wherein JCC writes meaningful
  poetry like:

    The fucking fucking's fucking fucked;
    Evidently, Chicken Town.

  Thinking further about the idea, I suspect that the two books and 
  the film I hate with a passion might, IMHO, be improved if the titles
  were ammended to "Fucking and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance",
  "Fucker in the Rye", and "Dead Fucker's Society".

  No?  Oh well, they work for me. =:)
--
           lynx@surrey.amigans.gen.nz    lynx@amigans.gen.nz
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From: scriven@ecf.toronto.edu (SCRIVEN ADAM)
Subject: Re: Git (was re: Et in Arcadia ego)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:42:34 GMT

In article <DJOHNSON.92Dec14191856@cayenne.gac.edu> djohnson@cayenne.gac.edu (Daniel P Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.193526.7387@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>.In article <ryh2g_b@rpi.edu> kasprj@rpi.edu writes:
>.>In article <1992Dec12.184931.18852@nevada.edu>, wwhitman@nevada.edu (MICHAEL WISE) writes:
>.>
>.>|> stop telling that there own fucking dialect is so fucking superior to
>.>.......^^^^^
>.> You might try taking some fucking grammar lessons while you're at it.
>.>That usage is wrong on either side of the fucking pond.
>.>
>.> (Don't fucking flame me, it's a fucking joke!)
>
>.You've just gone and fucking done just the fucking kind of followup
>.about which he was making a fucking complaint.
>
>Fuck fucking fuck, fuck the fuck in "fucking fuck" fuck, and fuck the
>fucker's fucker...And fuck fuckin' fucking, and fuck fuck while you're
>at it.
>
>Dan aka You don't want to hear...

If you both want, I'll mail you a copy of a file about uses of the word
F*ck that you both seem so inclined to use.

TTFN


Adam  (scriven@ecf.utoronto.ca)

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the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

  There is another theory that states that this has already happened.
  
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From: ccjason@othello.ucdavis.edu (Jason Gabler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: LATIN/VULGATE Bibles
Keywords: latin,vulgate,bible
Date: 9 Dec 92 06:08:41 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Does ANYONE have ANY idea where I can get a copy of a Latin/Vulgate bible?

I would prefer one that is just like any regular bible, not something
tremendous like the hexeglot or  an interlinear.  Just a normal bible, except
that it is in Latin instead of English.  I have seen a few but the people whom
I know who have them, got them from sources unreachable by myself.

ANY help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Please e-mail with you answers.  I will post a summary.


Vale,
		jase

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Subject: Re: A note on Modal Logic that has nothing to do with Icky Sex
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:52:29 EST
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1gr2fmINNl8s@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> 
PL436000@brownvm.brown.edu (Jamie) writes:

>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) said:

MZ:
>>Finally, logicians quantify over all sets all the time; that's what
>>the notion of a proper class is for.

J:
>(I have no quarrel whatsoever with the other points Zeleny makes
>in that most recent posting).
>
>I would like to discuss this very point, if there is interest.

Sure thing.

J:
>I suppose we can quantify over all the sets. But can we quantify over
>everything at once? Intuitively we certainly can. "When I say
>'everything,' I mean 'EVERYTHING.'" Didn't I just quantify over
>everything at once? EVERYTHING at once?

I have another one, which you may contest: any instance of predication
*seems* to presuppose a universal applicability.  But we all know what
the semantical antinomies do to that one...

J:
>But I have a feeling that there is trouble lying this way.

I agree.

J:
>I know that Richard Cartwright has written about the issue, in a paper
>I think is called "Speaking of everything." I thought there were
>some problems in the paper.

I find no such paper in his collection, of which I read exactly one
half of a paper.

J:
>I also know that Dummett has said some cryptic things about it.

Has he been known to say any other sort of things?

J:
>Does Zeleny think it is possible to quantify over everything?

I think not.  "Everything" is an inconsistent multiplicity, which does
not admit of reference, much less quantification.  (The reason we can
understand this sort of discourse, is because it has the semantics of a
figurative circumlocution.)  There is no such thing as the universe, or
else if there is one, it cannot be designated.  (Am I sounding like
Gorgias yet?)  Naturally, Randall Holmes will disagree, but I am
speaking as a _bona fide_ ZFC chauvinist.

J:
>I mean, REALLY everything?

No.

J:
>(I just keep worrying that my 'everything' isn't actually encompassing
>everything. There it goes again.)

I believe that it is implicitly qualified to the contextually relevant
universe of discourse.  Which is not to say that one cannot quantify
over all sets, or all classes, or all cumquats, or all pubic hairs,
or...

>Jamie

ObBook: Michael Hallett, _Cantorian set theory and limitation of size_.
Reasonably accessible to the dedicated amateur, willing to look things
up.

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Nothing can be said truly of what does not exist."

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: Margaret Martin Gardiner <gardiner@lib.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: A modest proposal (was: Git)
Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:15:31 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
To: rec.arts.books@julian.uwo.ca




> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu (Heather) writes:
>  
> > "Knickers in an uproar": what a splendid phrase!!  Even though we Yanks
> > would use the word "panties"...
>  
> I've always heard it as "Don't get your panties in a bunch."
>  
> Mark

Here in Canada I hear it as "Don't get your knickers in a twist".
Any other variations on this?

Margaret

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Making a virtue of complacency
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:47:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec13.234704.743
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec13.121550.18454@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>Big hairy fucking deal, Steve.  To strip the veneer of despicable
>self-pity from your judgment,

There is no self-pity involved here.

>what you are really saying is that social
>marginalization is correlated with moral entitlement.

Not at all.  I'm talking about the discernment of a person making a
judgement, not the apparent object of such judgement or the judgement
itself.  People who are well off usually have an imperfect vision of
what it means to be someone not like themselves, and it is usually
rooted in ignorance, except for a few who have an unusual capacity for
empathy.  Such a restricted viewpoint is rarely a guarantee of the kind
of discernment from which moral judgements can be safely made.  The
experience of marginalization _tends_ to make an appreciation of these
differences more likely, though it is hardly a guarantee.  How you could
claim this is evidence of moral entitlement is as peculiar as all of your
other ideas.

If I want to get an authentic assessment of what it means to be an unwed
teenage mother or a homeless person, and what leads them to make their
day-to-day choices, I must look beyond what Nancy Reagan happens to
think.  This should be simple common sense, but it tends to escape the
more censorious of us.

As an example of this, just look how Morris reacted to Gene's comments
that hate speech was a political issue.  Such a statement was practically
a tautology; self-evident to anyone who thinks about it for a bit.
But, instead, he preferred to view this as the face of censorship and
parody the concerns of individuals who find themselves its victims.
Whatever the demerits of Canada's attempt to regulate speech, it was
irrelevant to this discussion.

-- 
Steve Dyer
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From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,news.groups
Subject: Re: Call For Discussion: rec.arts.books.reviewed
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:31:19 MDT
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

In article <Bz9w5p.1vo@techbook.com>, jamesd@techbook.com (James
Deibele) writes a suggestion for rec.arts.book.reviews

     Actually, I'm surprised such a group doesn't already exist.  It
seems so obvious.  A moderated .reviews group is part of most similar
hierarchies (e.g. rec.arts.movies, rec.arts.sf), so I'd think this one
would be a natural.
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From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Shameless Flirting
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:37:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec11.143704.18404
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <1992Dec11.010118.21470@spdcc.com> 
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.170020.18367@husc3.harvard.edu>
>zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>>Ho hum, we all know what Schopenhauer wrote about sexual inversion among
>>distinguished gentlemen of Professor's age...

>I think this is supposed to be an insult to Prof McCarthy.

No -- just a literary reference.  Remember them?

>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Harry Crewes novel celebrating the big beauty
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:02:18 GMT

[I just posted this to alt.support.big-folks, and I thought
the rab-folk might also be interested...]

Subject: Re: Appreciation of the big & beautiful woman

The topic of erotica about fat women has reminded me of a book I
wanted to recommend to y'all: _Body_ by Harry Crewes.  But it's not
erotica at all--it's a light, if occasionally a bit shocking and
weird novel--a zip to read and most entertaining.  The setting is
a "Ms. Cosmos" (i.e., Ms. Universe) bodybuilding tournament in
Florida.  The characters are various bodybuilding contestants,
their trainers, their relatives, and employees of the hotel.
And one sister of a Ms. Cosmos contender is a lovely fat woman
from rural Georgia, who has been sheltered enough, she hasn't
really discovered her sexuality and her beauty.  In a delightful
sequence, one of the male bodybuilders falls head over heels in
love with her--everything about her--her smile, her goodness,
but most of all, her gloriously large body.  It amounts to a comic
paean to fatness.  And it's sexy in a sweet, silly, bubble-bath
sort of way.  The meta-message of the book--that being a "perfect
body" is a constricting trap, whereas being happy and fat is free-
dom--is right on target.

Rabbers: any other novels by Harry Crewes that you would recommend?
I like the way he handles violence: hip and serious at the same time.
I take it he's a crime writer?  

							--Fiona
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Mirabili dicti, or Dragon's Teeth
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:26:48 GMT
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris) writes:

Okay, now I want to reread Boiardo in a GOOD translation.

> Andy Tucker has informed me by email that Charles Ross' translation
> of Boiardo is published by the University of California Press (1989,
> 900 pages).  

Can anyone give me a line on how to get ahold of this?

	Larry "Fer shur" Hammer
--

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GEnie: L.HAMMER2           \      -- Heraclitus, #47
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From: slinn@controls.ccd.harris.com (Scott Linn)
Subject: Abulafia
Summary:  What is this? 
Keywords:   Eco, Foucault's Pendulum, Abulafia
Organization: Harris Controls Division
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:33:57 GMT

Greetings,

      Besides being the name of Jacopo Belbo's computer in
Eco's _Foucault's Pendulum_ who or what is Abulafia?


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                                     |  TV is a boob tube, the
Contra Mundum,                       |  broadcasters implied,
                                     |  because at heart most watchers
Scott Linn                           |  are boobs.
s.linn@ccd.harris.com                |  
                                     |  George Gilder 
                                     |  _Life after Television_
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From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Great gift books for me!
Date: 20 Dec 92 04:16:07 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Well, it would be nice:

All of Parkman's works in the Library of America

Mr. Bligh's Bad Language by Greg Deming

Burke's Great Melody by Conor Cruise O'Brien

Henri Matisse: A Retrospective by John Elderfield

The Letters of Evelyn Waugh and Diana Cooper ed. Atremis Cooper

Forgotten Fatherland: The Search for Elisabeth Nietzsche by Ben
	Macintyre 

Iron Joe Bob by Joe Bob Briggs

Book by Robert Grudin

Aristoi by Walter Jon Williams

Round up the Usual Suspects: The Making of "Casablanca" - Bogart,
Bergman, and World War II by Aljean Harmetz


...Keith

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From: spb0457@rigel.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.boats
Subject: Sea Shanty:  See `shanty'
Date: 11 Dec 1992 12:05 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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Francis Muir writes...

>ObQuot:
>	'Twas on the good ship VENUS,
>	By Christ, you should have seen us.
>	The figurehead was a whore in bed
>	And the mast was a rampant penis.
>	&c., &c.
>				Rudyard Kipling.

+----------------------------------SubG---------------------------------------+
This is going to sound terribly dense, but is that actually Kipling?

I'd heard the song from shrimpers out of Freeport for years before I heard the
Sex Pistols' version, but I'd always thought that it was a `traditional' song.












-SubG

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Subject: Re: Making a virtue of complacency
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:31:50 GMT

zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:

>hurts the willing participants.  Should you try to seek refuge in the
>hospitable lap of that profligate liberal nanny, Tolerance, I would
>remind you that, by your own lights, you have no ground for appealing to
>that whore of dead white heterosexual males, while rejecting the rest of
>their baggage.  


     Ah there, Michael.  No, they just *can't* seem to grasp that if they
believe in Tolerance they have to tolerate toads like us.

                                                -- jf

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.comedy.british,soc.culture.british,alt.fan.monty-python
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Git (was re: Et in Arcadia ego)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:51:14 GMT

st-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave) writes:

>       "A truck by any other name is still a lorry ... "

>                       or

>               "Bugger the Asses!"


>or something like that.  Tetley's and Budweiser, turkey and roast beef,
>yorkshire pud and candied yams, trifle and apple pie:  the mind boggles
><the stomach knots>.  I leave it to you to fill out the other gory
>details (What should the anthem be?  The flower?  Would we have a president
>or a prime minister?  The list is long, but I have confidence).

And would you meet in an apartment (I cannot spell by the b) building or a
block of flats?

I am constantly yelled at by my friends for my language.  And spelling.
I am American with a 1/2 british 1/2 irish father, and have been bouncing
around the UK and Ireland visiting cousins and Maiden Aunts since I was in the
womb, and tend to mix idioms *quite* often.  It took my roommate a week to
realise what I was asking for when I wanted to know where the bin liners were.


My fave line that makes no sense to an American has got to be:

"If you're cold, take a jumper from the press."


LJC aka Tara O'Shea




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From: hoahosth@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (ANDREA HOSTH)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Kerry Greenwood - Phryne Fisher series
Summary: Australian Detective Feminist
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:52:15 GMT
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University

These are very amusing books - I've read the four she's published so far "
Cocaine Blues" (the first) is not up to par with the rest but still worth 
reading. 

The lead, Phryne Fisher, is remarkably amusing as a poor girl made good 
spending her time playing detective. Her lascivious appreciation of "
beautiful young men" is really worth seeing.

Not openly feminist tales, but plainly aware.

Anybody else out there encountered these novels? If you haven't, look them 
up.

Ankh
From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Generations (was Re: Generation Gap (Gen X vs. boomer), 13th-gen)
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:50:15
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In-reply-to: mss2@kimbark.uchicago.edu's message of Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:14:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.081409.677@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:
>In article <1gelimINN7u9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> at507@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jim M. Bowden) writes:

>>Has anyone seen any information about a book by NEIL HOW - 13th-Generation:
>>abort, delete, retry, fail?  I think it will be published in march 1993.

>Don't know anything about the new book except what it says in the
>Atlantic: the title is _13th GEN: Abort, Delete, Retry, Fail?_ and is
>co-authored by William Strauss and Neil Howe like the Atlantic article
>and their previous collaboration _Generations: The History of
>America's Future 1584-2069_.  I found _Generations_ to be quite good,
>setting out a cyclical theory of American generations and backing it
>convincingly with historical data.

I'm currently in the process of reading this book.  I find it
fascinating and thought-provoking, but not completely convincing.  It
seems to me that their historical evidence is strongly filtered
through the preconceptions of their theory.

Notice, for example, how the poor seem to only show up in the chapters
about reactive generations?  They talk about the Thirteener drug gangs
and wolfpacks, but no there's no mention of the urban or rural poor in
the chapters on the GIs, Silents, or Boomers.  For that reason, I
consider their predictions about the economic futures of the various
generations to be highly questionable.

On the other hand, I think their sociological analysis is on target.
In particular, I think they provide a good portrait of the tendency
toward moralism and ideology on the part of Boomers, as opposed to the
tendency toward pragmatism and cynicism among Thirteeners.  (You can
tell this book was written by Boomers -- they manage to be
self-critical at the same time that they place themselves at the
center of all things important since World War II... :-)

Of course, the problem with generational studies is that there is a
huge variation of individual world views and personalities within each
generation, so any generalization is likely to be suspect.  Not all
Boomers are moralistic; not all Thirteeners are pessimistic.

Nevertheless, I think the new generation gap is real, though more as a
subtle difference in perceptions and values than an open conflict.  As
to whether it will blossom into the full-scale generational war that
Strauss and Howe predict, only time will tell -- but it should be
interesting to watch...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: pnh@panix.com (Patrick Nielsen-Hayden)
Subject: Re: Out of the pigeonhole (was: Poe's other stuff)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:25:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

<coff> Actually, Esther Friesner's "Jane's Fighting Ships" will appear in
ALTERNATE WARRIORS, a different Resnick-edited anthology.  And Jane isn't
exactly an admiral, though she does help assassinate Napoleon...

-- 
Patrick Nielsen Hayden      :     senior editor, Tor Books
pnh@panix.com : CIS 72701,1344 : GEnie PNH : opinions mine
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