From: dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian)
Subject: The Net-Dolt Asks if Historical Revisionists Lie...
Keywords: at least
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 19:01:34 GMT

In Turkish Historic Revision <m0lY80e-0003RGC@ddsw1.mcs.com>, servile dolt,
[(*], han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu), scribed in response to 
<1992Apr05.002822.28045@microsoft.com> marcmil@microsoft.com (Marc MILANINI), 
and asked:

[(*] Can you provide any examples of lying by 'Shaw, McCarthy, Inalcik, 
[(*] Papazian, Nalbandian, Appressian,...?'

Yes!

Some of the above lie, yet others have been used in the cover-up of the
Turkish genocide of the Armenians, by the revisionist who pulls text out of
its context. We only need take on one of them, Stanford Shaw, who has received
monetary compensation for his anti-Armenian efforts. In addition, we shall use
Justin McCarthy help us!

[(*] Source: Stanford J. Shaw, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern 
[(*] Turkey," Vol II. Cambridge University Press, London, 1979, pp. 314-317.
[(*]
[(*] "An Armenian state was organized at Van under Russian protection, and it 
[(*] appeared that with the Muslim natives dead or driven away, it might be
[(*] able to maintain itself at one of the oldest centers of ancient Armenian
[(*] civilization.

Hmm...today we have 0% Armenians in this "oldest center of ancient Armenian
civilization"!

[(*] An Armenian legion was organized 'to expel the Turks from
[(*] the entire southern shore of the lake in preparation for a concerted
[(*] Russian drive into the Bitlis vilayet.'[162] Thousands of Armenians from
[(*] Mus and other major centers in the east began to flood into the new 
[(*] Armenian state...By mid-July there were as many as 250,000 Armenians
[(*] crowded into the Van area, which before the crisis had housed and fed
[(*] no more than 50,000 people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.[163]"

Shaw is in the service of Turkey as an apologist for genocide. Perhaps Shaw's
Turkish wife made him write such trash. Maybe he wrote such trash in order to
keep his wife. Perhaps such trash came after he converted from a Jew to a 
Turk. In any event the following refutes his trash:

Let's read what the Turkish governor of Van, Jevdet Bey, wrote to the Italian 
vice consul in Van: [1]

Dated April 23, 1915

"Dear Mr. Spordoni,

	"The troublemakers, who appealed to you for three or four days grace
	 so that they could complete their purpose. The guard at Hamud Agha
	 was murdered Monday night, telephone lines were cut, and the
	 telegraph office at Khach-Poghan was attacked by singing young men
	 ..."

On the following day, Mr. Spordoni, Italian vice consul responded. The
following are excerpts from his response: [2]

	"Armenians have resorted to arms because they believe the government,
	 under guise of conscription, intends to exterminate them totally and
	 indescriminintely. Without waiting for or hoping for any assistance
	 from Russians, they have firmly resolved to defend the lives of their
	 families...

	 ...but according to the information gathered by me, the gendarmes
	 [government's] there opened fire first, without being attacked.

Two days later, on April 26th, 1915, Jevdet responded to Mr. Spordoni: [3]

	"...I was astonished at the contents of your letter...I hope in the
	 near future to put an end to the disturbances here also...Until and
	 unless they [Armenians] surrender their arms and declare their
	 absolute submission, I am compelled to continue the task of
	 chastisement."

Now let's read what really happened in Van, offered by Frijdof Nansen in 1928:

	"This attempt of the Armenians to defend themselves against the 
	 Turkish attack in Van was promptly misrepresented in a communique' 
	 which was sent by Enver Pasha and the Turkish Government to Berlin, 
	 and thence spread all over the world, as an attack by bands of 
	 Armenian insurrectionists who, in the rear of the Turkish army had 
	 fallen prey upon the Muhammedan population. Out of 180,000 Moslems in
	 the Vilayet of Van only 30,000 had succeeded in escaping! In a later
	 report issued by the Turkish embassy in Berlin on October 1, 1915, 
	 the story was further embellished: "No fewer than 180,000 Moslems had
	 been killed. It was not surprising that the Moslems had taken 
	 vengeance for this". Some 18 Turks, answering to the number of 
	 Armenians they had killed in Van, had turned into 180,000! This 
	 astonishing impudent lie has a kind of foundation. According to 
	 statistics there should be 180,000 Moslems, including 30,000 Turks 
	 and 150,000 Kurds, in the Vilayet of Van. The Turks fled westwards 
	 when the Russian army advanced, while the 150,000 Kurds remained 
	 where they were, and were molested neither by the Russians nor the 
	 Armenians" [4]

...and let's read Nansen independently confirmed 13 years later:

	 "The Turkish ally also furnished German papers with stories of 
	 Armenian cruelty to offset the unfavorable publicity directed at the 
	 Central Powers for their alliance with the "terrible Turk", the 
	 perpetrator of the "Armenian massacres." The Armenians were accused 
	 of helping the Russians burn the Moslem quarters in the province of 
	 Van, rape the women and girls,  kill all the men. According to a 
	 later estimate the Russians had burned alive 500 people in one 
	 village of Van, and only 30,000 of the 180,000 Moslems in the
	 province had escaped. Germans who read that the Armenians were 
	 especially fond of burning Turks to death were not likely to have 
	 much sympathy with the Christian minority of Turkey. An intensive 
	 anti-Armenian  campaign was staged by the official Turkish news 
	 agency as late as February and March, 1918. In this group of stories 
	 the most refined types of mutilation were included, such as 
	 Armenians' waylaying Turks, tearing out their lungs and hanging them 
	 on the wall" [5]

...and:

	 "Certain "revolts" of the Armenians had taken place but most of them 
	 came after the deportation policy had started and were the result, 
	 not the cause, of the cruelties committed by the Turks. Three minor 
	 uprisings took place before the deportations were initiated. Two of
	 them were nothing more than rows of gendarmes with deserters. The 
	 only one of any consequence was the trouble in Van -- apparently a 
	 case of self-defense on the part of the Armenians. In all these
 	 "revolts" the maximum losses which the Turks suffered amounted to not
	 more than three hundred soldiers. The oath of the Mutessarif of Musch
	 at the burial of seven Moslem gendarmes who had been killed was 
	 almost fulfilled: "For every hair of your head, I will have a
	 thousand Armenians slaughtered." [6]

Finally to quote a paid apologist for the Turkish government, Prof. Justin
McCarthy:

	"The 1927 Turkish census registered not one person of the [Gregorian] 
  	 Armenian faith in Van, only one in Bayazit and twelve in Erzerum. A 
	 people who had lived in eastern Anatolia since before recorded 
	 history were simply gone" [7]

...simply gone!

			- - - references - - -

[1] _The Defense of Van_, Onnig Mukhitarian, 1980, General Society of 
    Vasbouragan, page 92

[2] ibid, page 94

[3] ibid, page 97

[4] _Armenia and the Near East_, Dr. Fridtjof Nansen, 1928, pg. 302.

[5] _Atrocity Propaganda 1914-1919_, James Morgan Read, Yale University Press,
    1941, pages 118-119.

[6] Ibid. page 220-221

[7] _Muslims and Minorities_, Justin McCarthy, NY University Press, 1983, 
    page. 121

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