From: shiva@b30.ingr.com (Shiva Shivakumar)
Subject: Re: Win Win situation for Muslims Hindus & Secularists at Ayodhya
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:06:55 GMT

In article <C0F0o9.AsH@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.161216.379@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> bond@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Girish) writes:
>>In article <86178@ut-emx.uucp> viswanat@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Viswanath Vadlamani) writes:
>>>[.....]
>>>The facts  before an independent india are:
>>>
>>>i) Mosque which was closed to prayer from independence.
>>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>[.....]
>>
>>
>>    Nope! Muslims stopped praying at the Ram Janmabhoomi site in 1936.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>    So what is to be inferred ?
>    Do you know why they stopped praying in 1936 ?
>                   Because they suddenly realized that Sri Rama
>                   was born right there on that spot ?? :-)
>
>    Because some Hindu temples are not much used, can a group of
>    people go and pull it down ? Since several 'temples' such as
>    Belur and 'Konark' etc. are not used or not used much, can 
>    a group of people go and demolish ?? 
>     
>
>    The barbaric act of pulling down a mosque and especailly the
>    manner in which the hindu fundementalist forces mobilized the
>    support is truly despicable.
>
>    1200 people dead !! ( some can quote figures of how many people
>                          are killed in road accidents etc.
>                          Ayodhya incident is a carefully planned 
>                          forced accident which
>                          in normal language is murder but since the
>                          number is large, massacre)
>
>     Those who support this senseless act are  'gas-chamber
>     gurus' or bharatiya hitlerism parymen whether they wear saffron robes
>     or military uniform. 
>
>     Such treachery in the name of patriotism! ( I am afraid the 
>     truly inspirational phrases like 'jai hind', 'vandhe maadharam'
>     will lose their vitality by these pseudo-patriots ! ) 
>
>
>    It is truly a shame that you and a few others like Virendra Verma, 
>    the Purple Bleeder, Indu, Deepak, Kuram Narayana and a 
>    more sober-sounding person from princeton,  Raj Bhatnagar, .. 
>    should write in support of this absolutely barbarious act.
>    What is bothersome is that in the name of religious fundementalism
>    a section of Indian Citizens are subjugated to a second class
>    citizenship ( vast numbers of Muslims were very productive 
>    people who suffered enormously under the oppressive Caste system
>    of 'Hindu' Hitler Manu and they found a way out by moving to
>    another religion and now this.. Hmmm..). It is utter nonsense to say
>    that Muslims in India are any different from you or me.
>


	Mr.SelvaKumar : How about the dozens and dozens of temples demolished
in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afganistan not to mention UK and India? 

Demolishing Babri Masjid is an act of crime. No one is disputing that. But
many of us are justifiably pissed off when the pseudo-secularists, national
and international media turn a blind eye when Hindus/temples are victimized.

I am not catagorizing you with Karunanidhi but I can't help noticing that
atheists/rationalists/kazhagam sympathizers seem to vehemently attack Hinduism but honeymoon with Muslims - thus insulting true atheists.

A friend of mine told me how frustrated he was that Tamils look at everything
as a North-South problem. I didn't understand that. But looking at the
enthusiasm with which some pro-dravidian SCTers condemn only the Hindu side,
I think I am slowly beginning to understand.

Jagadisan Shivakumar


>    If Mahatma Gandhi can be killed by hindu fundementalism more 
>    can be expected than this recent Ayodhya incident. Hitler's 
>    racist ideas enjoyed large ( not 'great' ) support and many
>    outstanding 'scientists' actively supported. Ernst Haeckel
>     ( the father of embryology and a great contributor to science
>       systematically used science for advancing the barbaric 
>       racist theories..)
>    With the accumulation of tremendous knowledge ( genetic engineering,
>    nuclear power,..) it is dangerous to let bharatiya hitlerism..
>    All right minded people should denounce this religeous
>    fundementalism. ( anyone who truly _worships_ Sri Ram will never
>    support Ayodhya incident. )  
>    
>>
>>    -- Girish.
>>
>>
>
>
>     - Selva


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