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From: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (Lance R. Bailey)
Subject: Re: "MANLY" food ***
Reply-To: zaphod@ctrg.rri.uwo.ca
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 12:30:17 GMT

In article <1jt4p4INNl8f@cbl.umd.edu> tara@starburst.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)  
writes:
>kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
>>BTW, Tara, can we put "I eat tofu, and I vote" on a bumpersticker and mail 
>>it to Bill?  Perhaps we could attach a picture of a chicken factory?
>
>If you want, write to White Wave (they now make tofu, as well as vegan
>soy yogurt and other meat alternatives) and ask them for one.  I
>actually saw this on a bumper sticker from White Wave on Neal
>Barnard's car (the vegan M.D.)!

and *if* we were to write the white wave, to where would the envelope
be addressed?

I've put IETAIV in my .quotes file, it is a clever line.
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From: pmcdermo@cs.utexas.edu (Peter F. McDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: "MANLY" food ***
Date: 27 Jan 1993 03:07:26 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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in reply to Steve Bosman in reply to Tara McDermott in reply to Steve Russell (got it?)

>|> >I remember reading some feminst book awhile back stating your opinions
>|> >and going deeper comparing our "meat culture" to the oppression of women.

>|> The book is called _The Sexual Politics of Meat_ by Carol Adams.  One
>|> interesting fact - 3 out of every 4 vegetarians are women.  

>is this where the song by Consolidated (i think thats the group) comes from?

Yes, I believe it does come from the above mentioned book.  I believe the song you
are referring to is "The Sexual Politics of Meat" off of their "Friendly Fascism"
album.  Consolidated makes some pretty interesting stuff.

>|> Tara McDermott               
>|> tara@starburst.umd.edu       
>|> I eat tofu, and I vote.

Hey! Another McDermott on the net!  hello UMD from UTX! 

Peter McDermott
pmcdermo@cs.utexas.edu
I too eat tofu, and I too vote.
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From: sys0002@dircon.co.uk (Julian Hayward)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Food at Walt Disney World
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:46:30 GMT


I believe I remember reading that you can call ahead to any 
Disney restaurant and say you are a vegatarian. They are usually 
happy to prepare something special for your visit if non of 
the menu selections appeal to you.
 
Any of the guest services desks in the Disney resorts (and probably 
guest services near the entrance to each park) should have a 
complete list of menus for all major Disney restaurants - you 
could have a peek at these to ensure there is enough of a vegetarian 
selection.
 
Julian
From: hahn@het.brown.edu (Stephen Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re:  Rice Cooker (was Re: Low Fat Lunch Ideas?)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 01:33:20 GMT
Organization: (No comment.)
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hahn@het.brown.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: pion.het.brown.edu

   Where can I get a rice cooker?  (Will a salesperson know what
   I mean if I ask for one


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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: _Sexual Politics of Meat_/gender of meat animals
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:18:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.143928.13077@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> kalin@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (andrew.j.kalinowitsch) writes:
>
>Aren't most of the animals raised for consumption by the meat
>industry female (chickens vs. roosters, cows vs. bulls/steers,
>etc.)?  This is an assumption on my part; i have no data to back 
>it up.  Does anybody know if this is true, and if so, why?  Is
>any mention of this made in _The Sexual Politics of Meat_?
>
>andy


You are partially right.  Female livestock is more desired since the meat is
more tender.....ie no testosterone.  However livestock producers just castrate
male livestock so they will be suitable to be eaten.  I wont mention the
process, it will spoil your day

Steve
From: karpen@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil (Judy Karpen)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Comments
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:34:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Organization: NRL

In article <1jut2oINNkku@life.ai.mit.edu>, jaj@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jill A.
Johnson) wrote:
> 
> I have a few comments on some things II've been reading on this group.  
> 
> First, I thinkthat one reason fewer men are vegetarians is that they are alot
> more hung up on the taste of food. 
[stuff deleted]

No, just more hung up ;^>! As far as i can tell (and this is a gross
generalization), most of the men I know are much LESS adventurous in eating
habits --- mostly want to eat whatever they grew up on (usually boring meat
& potatoes, in this country at least). Those men who cook, however, often
grow out of that. So I'd say it's not an esthetic issue, just a control
issue (isn't it always?) --- consistent with Jill's comment about "fear of
the unknown". This netgroup is full of obvious exceptions, though, so maybe
there's hope ... 

Judy Karpen                "pushing back the frontiers of science"
karpen@nrlfs1.nrl.navy.mil  Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC USA
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@clpd.kodak.com (Rich Young)
Subject: Re: John Robbins New Book
Originator: young@plasma
Reply-To: young@clpd.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 07:12:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.225200.6995@hellgate.utah.edu> llarsen%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu writes:
>I just saw a book by John Robbins at the bookstore.  I can't even remember the
>title, and I don't mean "Diet for a New America".  Does anyone know what this
>is called and if it is any good.  What are the differences between DFANA?

	I think it's called " May All Be Fed," or something like that, and
	it looks like an updated version of DfaNA.


-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: taltar@fraser.sfu.ca (Ted Altar)
Subject: Re: "MANLY" food ***
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:18:26 GMT

jones@ccimp.csh.rit.edu (Sunkist) writes:


>I find the fact that 3 of 4 Veggies being female amuses me -- all of the veggies
>that i know are male. (The only female veggie that i know [my sister] has 
>quit as of a little while ago...) 

>Even when i was in college, i only knew male veggies...:)

>Must be me.


Yes, we are very bad as subjective demographers.  We simply don't
have equal access in our indiviual life situations to seeing
all facits and sides of things (i.e., representative samples).
Hence one reason why anecdotal "evidence" is very poor evidence
indeed particularly when it attempts to extrapolate to 
general characteristics of populations.  The consequence of
only voting in politicians from certain strata of society 
(usually the upper income level) should not be ignored.
The limits of the anecdotal experience here plays a role.
Instead of a "democracy" we are seeing system contraints
(you need to be a millionaire to now run a political campaign)
create what is a called a plutocracy (government by the
wealthy).  Is it any wonder why the U.S. is the still the
only wealthy industrialized nation without a national medicare
program.  To add further insult upon real medical injury,
the Canadian medicare systems works out to be about 1/3 cheaper
than what current US medical costs incur.  Most of the money
being saved by a more efficient administrative system.  It is
ongoing myth that everything carried out in the private sector
is automatically more efficient than the public sector.

Just some non-anecdotal musings.

                             ted


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: dsmither@superior.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers)
Subject: millet question and recipes request
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:29:47 GMT

Hi there.  I have a question about millet - I had heard that it was
the most "healthy" grain (in terms of total nutritive content).  I
don't know if that's true or not but I do know it's very good for you.
I have been trying to incorporate it into my diet, but so far I have
only found one dish that I like it in (the Cauliflower Marranca in the
Original (but revised) Moosewood).  It seems to be a difficult flavor
for me to get used to.  I also have come across very few recipes that
use it, despite that I have a lot of very good cookbooks.  Does
anyone have any recipes that they would like to share?  And also any
quinoa recipes?  


Thanks,

Diane Smithers

dsmither@ccs.carleton.ca
Dept. of Soc/Anth
Carleton University
Ottawa, Canada


Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: "The miracle of fasting" by Paul C. Bragg
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:33:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.235127.17271@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>>Limit your food intake to 500kcal/day or less, and you'll go into
>>ketosis for sure.  Actually, ketosis has a protein-sparing effect;
>>while any fast involves the loss of lean body mass along with fat,
>>ketosis seems to retard protein breakdown.
>
>So, unless you got on a severe diet, you're more likely to lose
>protein than fat?  I guess it also depends on how much energy the
>nervous system requires(which I forget).

I certainly didn't say that.  A typical 1200kcal/day diet won't lead
to excessive protein loss if it contains adequate amounts of protein.
Ketosis tends to lessen the protein loss when you eat little or nothing;
that doesn't mean that you're not better off eating something!

-- 
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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Toxic water was Re: "The miracle of fasting" by Paul C. Bragg
Date: 23 Jan 93 21:13:24 GMT
	<1993Jan23.181327.29603@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
Followup-To: rec.food.veg,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

I'm sorry but I don't believe that pure water is dangerous, no matter
how pure it is! Our digestive systems are designed to handle water.
Water is a Safe Substance.  I don't believe that any impurity in water
prevents any danger. Certainly, some water contains iodine and iron
and other good minerals, but as long as you get these minerals in your
diet somehow it will not hurt you to drink 100% H2O. IMHB.

(I'd imagine you could injure yourself by trying to drink an extremely
large *volume* of water, past the point of repeated vomiting, but
that's another issue.)
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From: red_trek@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Vegetable Creole
Date: 24 Jan 93 11:19:46 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I tried posting this before, but something went screwy.
Hope this effort works out better.

VEGETABLE CREOLE

2 Tablespoons whole wheat pastry, OR all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon pepper
1 teaspoon chili powder
1 pound firm tofu, cubed
1 Tablespoon olive oil
1/2 cup chopped onion
1/2 cup chopped green pepper
1 large clove garlic, crushed
14 ounces canned tomatoes in puree
1 Tablespoon soy sauce
1 Tablespoon onion powder
10 ounces frozen okra OR green beans (or use fresh)

Combine first four ingredients in a shallow dish.  Coat tofu
cubes in flour mixture; cook briefly in hot oil in skillet,
turning frequently.  Remove tofu.  Saute onion, pepper and garlic
in same skillet.  Add tomatoes, soy sauce, onion powder and okra
or green beans.  If using fresh okra or beans, add 1/4 cup water.
When vegetables are tender, add tofu and leftover flour.  Cook
for a few minutes.  Serve over rice.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: gilpbf@cindas.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian F Gilp)
Subject: Re: are bagels/stout vegan?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:02:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.125833.18996@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> bobp@msi.com (Bob Pitha) writes:
>andrew.j.kalinowitsch (kalin@cbnewsm.cb.att.com) wrote:

 [good explanation deleted]

  someone earlier had posted a list of animal derived products that can
  be in commercial beer.  I will see if I still have it and repost it.
  Your best bet is to brew your own.  At least that way you know what
  is in it and IMNSHO it is much better than ANY commercial beer.

>  As a side note about beer, I have heard (though more as a rumor than
>hard fact) that the yeast in beer contains vitamin B12.  You don't get
>any from commercial beers because all the yeast has been removed and
>the pasteurization, but I have heard it said that homebrewed beers, with
>the characteristic layer of dead yeast at the bottom, can be a good
>source of B12 (if you're willing to drink the brown sludge at the bottom).
>It doesn't sound unreasonable to me, but it might also just be a myth.
>Anybody know whether this is, in fact, true?  I could go look it up, but
>if somebody knows the answer...
>

  According to Charlie Papazian's The New Complete Joy Of Homebrewing
this is true.

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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-Brian
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition
From: bobp@msi.com (Bob Pitha)
Subject: Re: [Question] Side Effects of Valerian?agg
Followup-To: rec.food.veg,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:06:16 GMT
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Jeff Zucker (jz27@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In response to the poster who asked about a more palatable way to take
: valerian (having gagged on the tea...): two suggestions.  One, try
: tincture rather than tea.  Two, try fresh as well as dry valerian.

: I've found that valerian tincture (i.e., a concentrated alcohol-based
: extract of valerian) tastes GOOD!  It can be made from either dry or fresh
: roots of the valerian plant, and although both processes are effective,
: they taste quite different.  When I used to grow valerian and had access
: to the fresh roots, I enjoyed chewing on them and couldn't understand why
: valerian's taste/smell was always maligned - but different tinctures are quite
: different - so try tinctures made from both fresh and dry herb - and
: compare.

  I don't know if I'd call the taste of the valerian tinctures I've tried
good, but it's definitely not nearly as bad as the tea tastes.  And I've
never tried fresh valerian, since I don't know where to get it.  But
consider that some of the active ingredients in valerian are water-soluble,
and some are not; if you make an infusion from the root you are only getting
the water-soluble portion.

  I have used valerian in tea before, but never on its own.  I don't drink
it often, since I don't generally need it, but when I do I usually use a
mix of valerian root, hops, and skullcap, and then add something like
peppermint and/or spearmint to improve the taste.

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From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: "The miracle of fasting" by Paul C. Bragg
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:00:13 GMT
	<BSIMON.93Jan15141125@elvis.stsci.edu>
	<1993Jan15.205536.9802@imagen.com> <zxmkr08.727457933@studserv>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <zxmkr08.727457933@studserv> zxmkr08@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel) writes:


>>soft drinks, etc. i.e. nothing but water (he recommends distilled water)

>I think your guts would not survive this. Consuming greater amounts of
>distilled water is toxic, as it damages your intestine.

I'd like to see anyone here come up with ANY reference, scientific,
popular, or even tabloid, that claims that H2O is toxic. The human
body is something over 80% water. Distilled water is water with some
of the heavier impurities removed.

  **  WATER IS NOT TOXIC. **

If someone is prepared to supply me with distilled water I am prepared
to live on it (I pay almost a dollar a gallon for spring water now,
because Cambridge MA water is moderately polluted, so free distilled
water would suit me fine)



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From: behrle@bumetb.bu.edu (Jeremy M. Behrle)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Vegetarian Cookbooks
Keywords: Cookbooks
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:28:26 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA  -  USA
Originator: behrle@bumetb.bu.edu

I am working on a project for a group of Public Libraries.  Please
E-mail a list of your 10 favorite vegetarian cookbooks.

Thank you,
Jeremy (behrle@bumetb.bu.edu)	
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Subject: Re: That recipe with 30 cloves of garlic in it
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:12:27 GMT

Yes, I too got smelly lumps of tar the first time. I was successful later
when I baked the heads for 30 minutes (and I didn't use oil...I am working at
reducing fat levels).
HOWEVER the recipe turned out to be incredibly bland. It didn't taste bad, it
just tasted like nothing.
Next time I would not roast the garlic, and I would add some fresh basil and
cilantro and oregano.
From: lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Vegan Sweedish meetballs
Keywords: ideas anyone?
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:35:49 GMT
Reply-To: lisa@zeppelin.llnl.gov (Lisa Corsetti)
Organization: Climate Model Intercomparison Group, LLNL

Hi!

Next month, I'm going to a veg potluck dinner where everyone must bring
an appetizer dish.  So, after some brainstorming, I have come up with
the idea to make Sweedish meatballs.  For the "meatbals" I'm going to
use the lentil-walnut burger recipe in the revised Moosewood cookbook.
However, I need some ideas for a vegan sauce.  My thoughts are to maybe
fry the meatballs in soy margarine and mix the pan drippings with soy
milk and use some sort of thickener like cornstarch.  How does that sound?
Then I can put it all in a fondu bowl and serve it like that.  Anyone
have any better ideas for a sauce?
                                               Thanks!
                                               Lisa

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From: KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: _Sexual Politics of Meat_/gender of meat animals
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:07:10 GMT
Organization: From Beyond Political Correctness
NNTP-Posting-Host: cc210-3.cl.msu.edu

sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell) writes:
> kalin@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (andrew.j.kalinowitsch) writes:
>>
>>Aren't most of the animals raised for consumption by the meat
>>industry female (chickens vs. roosters, cows vs. bulls/steers,
>>etc.)?  This is an assumption on my part; i have no data to back 
>>it up.  Does anybody know if this is true, and if so, why?  Is
>>any mention of this made in _The Sexual Politics of Meat_?
>>     andy
>
>You are partially right.  Female livestock is more desired since the meat is
>more tender.....ie no testosterone.  However livestock producers just castrate
>male livestock so they will be suitable to be eaten.  I wont mention the
>process, it will spoil your day
>     Steve
>
Not only that, but female animals make other byproducts (eggs, milk).  Males,
needless to say, don't.
Dumb point, I know; but had to be made
     Kamchatka Charlie          KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: u6684aa@vms.ucc.okstate.edu
Subject: Vegan pregnancy foods
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:26:01 GMT

I am looking for information on what vegan foods to eat less,
eat more, and skip completely during pregnancy. Any personal insights,
hints, and tips will be greatly appreciated. 

-kin
From: rbuchanan@vitalink.com (Rick Buchanan)
Subject: Re: "The miracle of fasting" by Paul C. Bragg
Reply-To: rbuchanan@vitalink.com (Rick Buchanan)
Organization: Vitalink Communications Corp. (Standard Disclaimer of course)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:08:42 GMT

In article <C1G8Cq.KwG@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, oldman@coos.dartmouth.edu 
(Prakash Das) writes:

> and it had a section on the question whether eight glasses 
> of water IS the appropriate quantity to drink everyday. (The answer,
> btw, is yes, but it doesn't have to be water, any liquid is fine).

Any liquid?   Fuming nitric acid?  Acetic anhydride?  Benzyl chloride?

Okay, I know what you meant.  I'm just being a smartass...

(Liquid nitrogen?  Molten lead?  Bromine?  Mercury?  Butyl mercaptan?  The 
possibilities are endless!)

--- Rick Buchanan (rbuchanan@vitalink.com)

        *** Don't blame me.  I voted Libertarian  ***