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From: tps@chem.ucsd.edu (Tom Stockfisch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Improving play by watching tapes
Date: 1 Sep 1992 00:54:49 GMT
Organization: University of California San Diego, Chemistry
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In article <BtK3ry.L97@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>   >... when I have a choice between
>   >spiking and winning, I'd rather spike.  If you want to win, you'd better
>   >be ready to pick up any legal shot that comes over.
>
>   Unfortunately, this is pretty much the same argument given by jungle ball
>   players to justify slam dunks and carries.  "What do you mean you can't do

Shots are legal and part of the game.  If they are dropping consistently on
your side of the court it means you are out of position or asleep while your
opponent's offense is developing.  If your partner is standing at the net,
you had better not be there to, or expect that "slop" shot to your back line.

In casual play, the only way this is poor sportsmanship is if the ball
is border-line or actually mis-handled consistently.  Clean bump or top spin
shots to open court are nice kills.

The best way to get your opponents to stop doing this is by maintining
good postion at all times and easily popping up those shots and pounding them
home.
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From: lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Spiking
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:38:54 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Sep2.153209.9451@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> ckeller@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Christopher Keller) writes:
>Hello all-
>   Have a question for any spikers out there.  About 90% of the time,
>I spike the ball out of bounds (via the back court).  Does anyone have
>any tips on spiking the ball hard and short?

Well, I had the same problem until not so long ago.  My problem was
mainly in my timing and vertical.  I'm 5'10"ish and I have around a 28"
so it wasn't all that bad but, I had this problem of jumping too soon.
Since I'm an outside hitter I usually hit 5 balls so, for me, I start my
approach as the setter places his hands on the ball and when the ball
reaches the top I jump and then crank the ball down.  For quick sets, 1
and 2 balls, which, incidentally, I have hit much of, well let me take
them one at a time.  For the 1 ball, I take off a little before the
setter gets the ball and I let him or her set it right into my swing and
for the 2 ball I go up with the ball and crush it.  I have friend who
can put the quick sets down just a few feet from the net consistently -
I can make no such claim.  For outside hitters the idea is to crank the
ball hard into the open back court not straight down.

Now the vertical.  I've found that form is key.  After you have the
timing, you don't have to jump haphazardly to get up.  I use a two step
approach - I start with my right foot (i'm right handed) then left and
then bring my right foot up to the left.  This is where it gets crucial,
as you put your right foot down, bend down putting both hands behind you
and then swing your arms hard as you jump - you'll get up much higher.

the swing
now you're up in the air with arms up. now make like you're pulling a
bow and arrow except that the thumb of your hitting hand in pointing to
the ground. As you're cocking back in one continuous motion pound the
ball.  don't cock back, stop and then crank forward.

miscellaneous tips
keep the ball infront of you
don't jump to soon
jump forward 
don't jump too close to the net - this is for outside hitters

hope this helps

-CRUSH
?
From: mwsn_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matthew Weasner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Short players
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:07:09 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <5037@news.duke.edu> lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:
>I have a friend that I've been trying to convince to try volleyball.
>The problem is that he is less than the ideal height and doesn't want to
>just set and bump all the time.  
>So what I want to know is how many of you out there are 5'6" or under
>and can still put the ball down?
>
>Just curious.
>
>And what kinda vertical do you have to have to be able to spike when
>your that tall?
>
Although I hate to admit it, I am indeed short as hell. 5'6". But I can 
indeed put a ball DOWN. Indoors is the best terrain for me to be able to do
it, but I can kill on the beach too usually. It took me a while, but I can. 
The last time I checked, my vert was about 26". You have to have good mechanics
ie, good footwork, armswing and all that good stuff. You can't just be sloppy 
like all you 6'7" middle hitters out there. :-) And still not hit the back wall
that is. Tell your friend that it is indeed possible for little munchkins to 
hit a ball. Practice, practice, practice! Shit, I've seen people a lot 
shorter than me, hit ten meter line. Booming the ball too!!!! Omigod! Look at
that little man swing!  :-)  

my two cents.
outty like saudi...
matt.
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: hitting past blocks
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:21:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.6103
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep2.140918.18252@ll.mit.edu>, serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli) writes:
> You must first look at the set and judge whether it's a good set, a trap set 
> or an overset. If it's an overset, do as you which...hit it pass it or 
> whatever. If it's a trap set, make sure you surround the ball with your HANDS,
> and push INTO the court.

What is a "trap set?"
-- 

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From: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Subject: Re: NCAA Women's Tournament @ Nebraska
Originator: jagreath@c00100-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:19:03 GMT


In article <65gnm_#@lynx.unm.edu>, rw42@triton.unm.edu (Randy Wallace) writes:

|> There is going to be an NCAA Women's Tournament at Nebraska this coming
|> weekend (September 4-5, 1992) and I would humbly request that volleyball
|> fans/fanatics that will be attending keep me posted of the results of the
|> University of New Mexico Lobos games.  I don't need a play by play, but if
|> there is anyone out there that has net access and the time to drop me a line
|> or post to rec.sport.volleyball the results of the matches it would be   
|> greatly appreciated.  Living here in New Mexico, we don't get results for
|> important stuff such as away volleyball matches until long after they are
|> over.  Thanks in advance to anyone who may be able to help me out.
|> 
|> 					Randy Wallace
|> 					University of New Mexico
|> 					rw42@triton.unm.edu

I'm from New Mexico, and I try to follow the Lady Lobos as much as I can.  If 
possible, I would like to hear about the same.  If anybody could email it or
post it, I would also appreciate it!
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From: lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Spiking
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:55:25 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


>Just to clarify, snaping your wrist is what puts top spin on the ball,
>creating a downward path on the ball. If you want to hit down without top
>spin (NOT RECOMENDED) jump high, get on top of the ball and crank away.
>
>Anyway, do snap your wrist ALWAYS :)
>
>Serge

I personally don't use top spin, I've found that if you take a full arm
swing, you can pound the ball harder if you don't use top spin.  You
just have to make sure you're hitting on top of the ball.

-CRUSH
From: Laurent.Wenker@dcal.unine.ch (Laurent Wenker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: REAL rules changes in Barcelona ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:57:40 GMT
Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland

Hello,

I have read a lot of discussion on PROPOSED rules changes in Barcelona, but
now I supposed that FIVB has decided which rules will change. Did someone
have read something about the REAL rules changes adopted in Barcelona.

Laurent Wenker
University of Neuchatel, Switzerland
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From: ttt@cmr.no (Tore Tjomsland)
Subject: Norwegian Beach Volleyball Team
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:21:43 GMT

Hey!

Is there anybody who has watched the Norwegian
beach volleyball team Kvalheim/Maaseide ?

Do they play well ?

Regards,

Tore Tjomsland
e-mail: ttt@cmr.no
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Volleyball Rule Question
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:31:54 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <GEOFF.92Aug28133240@wodehouse.flash.bellcore.com> geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm) writes:
>In article <BtpDoo.D4C@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell) writes:
>   Just to expand this a little, what about setting a serve? I know that in 
>   the Olympics, World League, etc, they can't set the serve, but I've talked to 
>   people in high school, park leagues, etc, who insist you can.  At what level
>   does setting the serve become illegal?
>
>You have it backwards.  At low levels of play, setting the serve is often
>illegal (e.g. many recreational leagues).
>
>At national (USVBA) and international (FIVB) levels, whether it is a serve
>or not is irrelevant to the legality of the set.  In practice, at high levels
>of play it is unlikely that you will be able to set a serve cleanly, but
>it you do, it's a legal play.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Geoff
>--
>geoff@bellcore.com

Just out of curiosity, how many times (as a referee) have you seen someone
set a ball on serve receive and not called it?
I am sure you know that if you go to Nationals and let a team set a serve,
everyone in the Gym will probably give you lots of crap (not to mention
the players themselves).

Serge
serge@ll.mit.edu
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From: ckeller@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Christopher Keller)
Subject: Thanks for the help!
Organization: NASA/GSFC code 926
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:38:16 GMT

Thanks to all who replied to my questions about spiking.  I have
several pages of email to look over in preparation for the next
game.  If anyone wants a summary of what the advice was, feel free
to email me or post it.  Oh yeah, special thanks to Tsen for the
physics of volleyball lesson, it was useful.

Chris

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From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: more height--cycling
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:13:05 GMT

In article <wilder.714775837@mik.uky.edu>, wilder@mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder) writes:
|> I gotta say that I'm skeptical about this "cycling for increased vertical"
|> stuff.

        <<misc Tour-De-France type stuff nuked....>>

          Me too. I think cycling is great for an aerobic workout, but does
          little for your vertical. Unless, of course, you blow REAL HARD when
          going up on a ball. ;) 

|> What I used to do (before numerous sad events which made it temporarily
|> impossible (and, thus, as those of you who exercise regularly may know,
|> ended my routine permanently)), was jump-rope.  Hundreds, sometimes a
|> thousand or two, revolutions a day.  THIS helped.
|>
          I think jumping rope or doing those plyometric(sp?) exercises on a
          regular basis helps alot, and improves the way you jump too.

          This is probably a FAQ, but what type of workout do you guys put in
          during seasonal play, i.e. when league starts? I do leg/upper torso
          during the off-season, but nada right now during season play. 

|> Maybe there's something to cycling, in theory.  In practice, for me, it 
|> doesn't work.  BTW, I bought a jump rope a couple of weeks ago.  Pray for
|> me.  I'd really like to see our local court cratered by my smoking hits.

          Planning on using BBQ Lighter fluid or just plain petrol?? ;) ;) 
|> 
|> --
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|> | Wilder   & wilder@mik.uky.edu | are subtle, and will piss on your cyberdeck. |
|> ================================================================================

Good Luck -
Get Vertical!
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From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Improving play by watching tapes
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:33:33 GMT

In article <GEOFF.92Aug25142943@wodehouse.flash.bellcore.com> geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.123252.17752@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ematias@csri.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias) writes:
>   ... yesterday I had probably the
>   best beach match of my life.  It was mainly due to "rising to the occasion,"
>   one could say.
>
>Or perhaps due to playing against a team who always hit the same way, which
>made their shots predictable.
>
>      A lot of the people I usually play with think they're showing off their
>   amazing skills when they continually lob "cheezy" shots to the corners
>   In my opinion, this sloppy and dirty type of playing not
>   only pisses off the opposing team, but cuts the game time/effort short as
>   well.
>
>I think you're getting cause and effect a little mixed up here.  You miss
>the lob shots because you aren't putting the effort into playing heads-up ball,
>which naturally cuts the game time short.  "Sloppy", "dirty" ?  No, just shots
>that are harder to play than those "clean spikes" that are easy to read.
>
>      Anyway, back to my story.  The last game I played yesterday was against
>   two very good, very CLEAN-playing opponents (i.e., almost all of the rallies
>   were of the 3-touch "bump, set, CRANK" variety).   Not having to worry too
>   much about scrambling after cheezy shots, I found that I could concentrate
>   fully on reading the hitter or blocker, setting up my positioning, trying
>   to outsmart the defence, etc.
>
>Sure, that's great practice, but it's like having the pitcher only throw
>fastballs high and center over the plate.  Much "cleaner" than all those
>nasty curve balls and change-ups, and you get a lot more home runs, but
>not very realistic.
>
>Personally, I hit as hard as my current physical state allows, and save
>lob, dump, and dink practice for when I'm healing from injuries (such
>as at the moment :-().  That's just because when I have a choice between
>spiking and winning, I'd rather spike.  If you want to win, you'd better
>be ready to pick up any legal shot that comes over.

Unfortunately, this is pretty much the same argument given by jungle ball
players to justify slam dunks and carries.  "What do you mean you can't do
that?  You're just making that up!"  :-(
From: jsy@Aig.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jennifer Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: UCLA women's season
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:42:29 GMT
Organization: NASA/Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Does anyone have the UCLA women's volleyball team schedule for this
season?  If so please post it or send it to me.  Thanks!

Jennifer Yu

jsy@aig.jpl.nasa.gov
yuie@cco.caltech.edu
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From: ematias@csri.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias)
Subject: Re: hitting past blocks
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:21:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.130649.5043@infonode.ingr.com> scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell) writes:
>|>    I can't speak for others, but I've always found it easy enough to hit
>|> around a block without having to look directly at it.  When I see that the
>|> ball is being set (outside) to me I'll take a quick glance at the position
>|> of the blocking players, then focus on the ball; I now have a rough idea of
>|> where they'll be taking off from.  When I'm in the air and about to hit the
>|> ball, I'll keep an eye on the blockers' hands with my peripheral vision and
>|> will therefore know how much to the left or right to cut the ball.
>
>        Do you ever rely on calls from teammates about the block( "Two up
>        tight" or "Nobody!") ??
>        I think the "peripheral vision" thang would be tough on quick to 
>        medium speed sets. Do you always do this, or is it a little intuition?
>        Just curious - my game would improve alot if the answer was revealed...


   Yes, of course I rely on my teammates... when they're reliable, that
is. :-)  The technique I mentioned above is mainly for when I have a lot of
time to sum up the situation (i.e., a high ball outside), and not much
help from my allies.  Therefore it is a bit of intuition, and depends a lot
on the situation at hand.

>|>    Because I'm fairly short (5'8") I can't rely on great height or long
>|> arms for my blocking, so I have to rely on timing and other factors.  One
>|> very important thing that you should do is to look at the SPIKER when you're
>|> blocking, and not the BALL.  If you focus on the ball, you won't know which
>|> way the hitter will cut; if you zero in on the hitter's approach and arm-
>|> swing, you'll be able to see exactly where he/she is hitting the ball, and
>|> adjust your jump or reach accordingly.
>
>        I kinda agree, but think you should zero in on BOTH ball and possible
>        attacker. If you focus on one or the other, I think you'll get caught
>        going up on a fake or screwing up your timing because you're not up
>        quickly. 

   Sorry... again I didn't explain it clearly.  Only after watching the
ball, and KNOWING that it's going to an opponent in my general area, will I
focus in on the hitter's arm-swing.  In this way, I know where the ball is
going and I`ll be able to key in on the correct hitter without having to
follow the ball's path.  (After all, the laws of physics don't change much
in a gym... :-)

>        It works for me to watch both and get partially on the side of the swing,
>        i.e. watch how far back they rotate their shoulder/ move their hand.
>        Intimidation is a big factor also( wear shirts that say "Kamikaze Attack"
>        or "Death to Blockers" ;0 ;)

   Heheheh.  I'll have to remember that one when club season rolls around...

> Get Vertical!
> Scott

     - Mark Rosteck -
(g1marker@cdf.toronto.edu)
From: templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Any Ideas?
Date: 4 Sep 1992 17:32:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grayling.cs.berkeley.edu

Only you can judge this, but if you feel that your approach is good
and feels "automatic" to you and if you feel you're getting high
enough over the net (which doesn't have to be all that high to get
the job done) then the last thing to ask yourself is whether you're
holding back for some reason. Are you afraid of getting blocked?
Are you afraid of hitting out or hitting into the net? If you're
holding back for fear of making a mistake, all you need to do is
begin to build the confidence to know that if you "let it all hang
out", you'll sometimes make mistakes but more often will hit the
ball down hard. Your hitting percentage (i.e. avoiding blocks and
errors) will go up directly as your confidence builds.

If you *don't* feel you're holding back for any of these (or other)
reasons, hit the gym!
 
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From: mwsn_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matthew Weasner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Any Ideas?
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:34:04 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Hey folks. What with all this talk of spikes, I thought I'd ask y'all 
another question on the subject. A little more specific though. 
A little while back, my coach suggested that all would be well in the
world if I could just speed up my swing on my hits. ie end up hitting the
ball with more power. It seems to me that the speed on my swing is sorta
automatic. I mean, I approach, swing...and hit. Usually if I say to myself,
"ok, matt, really hit the shit out of this set" I end up hitting it netwards.
What can I do to speed up my swing? Is it all mental? Is there something
I can change physically in my approach or swing? Lift some weights? More 
power is always good to have, no? Any help is appreciated folks. Thanks.

outta here...
matt

mwsn_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
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From: rw42@triton.unm.edu (Randy Wallace)
Subject: NCAA Women's Tournament @ Nebraska
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 22:37:12 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Summary: Updates wanted
Distribution: na

There is going to be an NCAA Women's Tournament at Nebraska this coming
weekend (September 4-5, 1992) and I would humbly request that volleyball
fans/fanatics that will be attending keep me posted of the results of the
University of New Mexico Lobos games.  I don't need a play by play, but if
there is anyone out there that has net access and the time to drop me a line
or post to rec.sport.volleyball the results of the matches it would be   
greatly appreciated.  Living here in New Mexico, we don't get results for
important stuff such as away volleyball matches until long after they are
over.  Thanks in advance to anyone who may be able to help me out.

					Randy Wallace
					University of New Mexico
					rw42@triton.unm.edu

*Knowledge is death.  Come to UNM and live forever.* 
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From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Subject: UCLA 3  Illinois 0
Originator: dslg0849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:53:08 GMT

In NCAA Women's Volleyball, UCLA beat Illinois 15-8, 15-11, 15-8.

Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu