HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Date: 9 Jan 93 10:33:45 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1993Jan8.005619.3897@nmt.edu>,
jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:
> I'm still puzzling over the crowd of kids who followed (chased?) me
> up a street once yelling "faggot".  It wasnt a gay area of the city
> (Albany, NY), nor did I think I was particularly identifiable.  (I
> was out for my morning run at the time and was wearing running shoes,
> shorts and a disreputable t-shirt.)  

I'm still bemused by this comment,
called out by a teenager in a group of about three,
as I left work at dusk:
"Ew, queer, eating a banana."

Well, yes, I was eating a banana.
But how did he *know*?

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*cash* n. a small Eastern coin" -- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Lesbian Mayor of Santa Monica, CA: Judy Abdo?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:42:35 GMT

cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones) writes:

>Judy Abdo is a member of the city council.  As I understand it, the
>councilmembers take turns at being mayor, which is basically just the
>chair of the council.  As a citizen of Santa Monica, I voted for her.  I
>believe she got the most votes.  We also passed a city charter reform
>measure which included (along with medical and dental benefits and a
>raise to $600/month salary [from $50] for the council) term limits.  I
>don't quite remember when her time would expire.


>While we're speaking of Santa Monica, is there an anti-discrimination
>law?  Any indication of a DP law?  The latter is very important, since my
>landlord won't let my boyfriend move in on the grounds that I can't have
>a roommate.

A Lesbian Mayor and no anti-discrimination law? I doubt it. About the DP
benefits, I would call Judy Abdo!

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``The first thing you do is forget that I'm Black. Second, you must never forget
that I'm Black.'' -Pat Parker, "For the white person who wants to be my friend"
From: exotica@carson.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: HEY WOMYN!!! Favorite Womyn's Perfume choices..
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:47:28 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater) writes:

>Hey---what about us womyn???   What is YOUR favorite perfume on a womon?
>(ladies answer only please!!).  Me being the femme I am I have many many
>perfumes, but my favorites on a woman are oil of jasmine, Intimate, and
>Bijan...

>myself I like wearing Pablo Picasso, Paris, Presence, Patou's Cocktail,
>and Barbara Cartland's Love Wins....  among many others...


Chanel for Men, and oils; Egyptian Musk, China Musk, Rosewood, African
Vanilla, Mesa Sandalwood...

Silk
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tsilke Pearlman                       "Bite me, Bite me-Suck on me!"
GFWA (GirlFag With Attitude)                        -Belle Reprieve-
SPIT (Sexual Predator, In Truth)       Lust Vamp, boy-bitch, SexToy
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Baaahr Manners in Bahwston
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:40:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan8.214042.6371
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan8.204829.4160@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>Besides, the cost of owning a car in Boston is so high that
>>>it would cut too dearly into our clothing allowance.
>>Huh?
>>My insurance doubled when I moved from Boston to San Francisco...
>
>	Oh, don't mind him Roger, I think he's trying to be the Melmac of
>the East.

I prefer to think of him as the Arne of the east.  Think about it...

>BBC, whose insurance went down going from
>NM to Boston...

That's because you live in a toxic waste dump, dear.  If you lived
in Boston, you'd have a different experience.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Geography (was Capitalization, still dubious MOTSS content)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<TIM.93Jan6184429@ear-ache.mit.edu> <C0InDv.GLM@panix.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:59:03 GMT

mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes:

   In article <TIM.93Jan6184429@ear-ache.mit.edu> tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:
   >mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes that The City...

   >   ... is Constantinopolis...

   >It's Istanbul, not Constantinople.  :-)

   I always find it hard to interpret smileys.  I should note simply
   that I mentioned "eis ton polin" BECAUSE it is the aition of "Istambul"
   I *suspect* that Tim knows this and is making explicit what I was
   trying pedantically to hide and say at the same time...

If only I were that sharp.

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Women's scents (was Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne)
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:56:51 GMT


In article <1993Jan6.162340.12182@midway.uchicago.edu>, cuzz@ellis.uchicago.edu (Laura Cuzzillo) writes:

|> Personally, I like my perfume.

What do the women here think about perfume/cologne
on women?  

-- 
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Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "latency" (was Re: US Schools Adding Lessons on Gay Life)
Date: 9 Jan 93 15:48:08 GMT
Organization: (getting there)



mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
  >>And, of course, we cannot introduce "sex education" too early, or
  >>we'll ruin latency for our young people.  [growl]
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
 >"latency"? Is that the word for the way my friend and I used to play
 >with each other's dicks when we were eight?

I dunno.  Tell me what you did and how it felt and I'll tell you
whether it's the word.



-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:41:31 GMT

In article <C0r3B9.5B5@queernet.org>, rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
> If the first active rebellion against governmental oppression of queer
> folk in our modern history had occurred in Thailand, or the United Kingdom,
> I would advocate celebrating *that* date.  The modern, public gay rights
> and queer liberation movements around the world mark their "coming out"
> at Stonewall.

  I find this rather difficult to believe. Why, for example, do we
not celebrate advances made in Weimar Republic before it was crushed
by Hitler?
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Followup-To: Scot N Gibson <prufrock@leland.stanford.edu>
Summary: Just my $.02.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 03:20:38 GMT

In article <16B4F1000A.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney) writes:
>In article <rizzoe.642.726446776@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU>
>rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
> 
>> [Emily was worried that Maurice was being even more of an idiot 
>>     than usual]
>
>The show's gay-friendly reputation is well-deserved. The town apparently
>was founded by a lesbian couple, and their relationship was portrayed
>in a warm, non-stereotypical way. So I'm willing to forgive one lapse
>because I know the producers' hearts are in the right place.
> 
>Tracey

I didn't see this episode, but I must second Tracey's assessment of
what probably happened.  I've consistently been impressed by No.
Exposure, and find it one of the best shows on the tube, especially in
regards to LGBO* attitudes.  

--scoT

p.s. plus I'm in love with the radio DJ.

-- 
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 \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
  \  /   +-----------------+-------------+             - T.S. Eliot |
   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:36:09 GMT

In article <73394@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>FWA writes:
>
>>Every response to my witty/literary/clever flames has been the same
>>thing "I know you are but what am I."
>
>Let's just say I didn't feel you were worth even a minor effort.

Okay, we can say that if you like.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Musings on Madonna
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:13:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.055442.22154@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <16B511053C.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney) writes:
> >and I barely
> >recognized her. She does not look like the same writhing ragamuffin in the
> >"Borderline" video of ten years ago. Yeah, yeah, ten years is ten years.
> >But the change she has undergone is very strange, IMHO, and hard to artic-
> >ulate. So I'll stop trying.
> 
> She's much trimmer (chubby describes her in _Borderline_), hardbodied,
> self-confident, and richer 10 years later.  I'd love to try the same
> experiment on myself!

  I thought it normally worked the other way around. Especially about
the rich and hard-bodied part. 
-- 

		Michael Thomas	(mike@gordian.com)
	"I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."  
		-- Hobbes to Calvin
		USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca,	92707-5637
		PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax)
From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: CLAGS LBG Scholars Directory
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:53:12 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



              CENTER FOR LESBIAN AND GAY STUDIES (CLAGS)
             CITY UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK GRADUATE CENTER
      
                DIRECTORY OF GAY AND LESBIAN STUDIES

The Center for Lesbian and Gay Studies (CLAGS) plans to publish a directory
of people working in lesbian and gay studies.  If you would like to
be listed in this directory, please supply the following information and
return this form to us AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.  Please also return this form
if you would like to update information previously sent to us.  CLAGS will
supply everyone who returns a form with ordering information when the 
directory is ready.  PLEASE PRINT OR TYPE INFORMATION, and use the other
side if necessary.

Name (last name first:_______________________________________________

Mailing Address:_____________________________________________________

                _____________________________________________________

                _____________________________________________________

                _____________________________________________________

Telephone (optional):  work: ________________________________________

                       home: ________________________________________

Field (e.g., history, psychology): __________________________________

Check here if you are an independent or unaffiliated scholar:_________

Institutional affiliation(s) (e.g., Queens College, Lesbian Herstory 
Archives):____________________________________________________________

______________________________________________________________________

Department and Position:______________________________________________

Summarize your present work and research interests in no more than 35 
words:



                         --continued on other side--
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Relevant publication (list no more than 4):








Courses taught in lesbian/gay studies (please list title or subject matter;
when & where taught; and level -- undergrad, grad, community):





If there are other gay and lesbian courses at your institution, please
describe them here (include  the instructor's name & address, if possible)
and/or attach informational literature:





Please return this form as soon as possible to Prof. Martin Duberman, 
The Graduate School and University Center of The City University of New York,
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FEEL FREE TO COPY THIS FORM AND PASS IT ALONG TO OTHER PEOPLE WORKING IN 
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From: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Amelia T. Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Women's scents (was Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne)
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:53:47 GMT
Organization: Medical School Computer Facility, UPENN

In article <C0Ho6r.L6@fig.citib.com>, glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
> 
> What do the women here think about perfume/cologne
> on women?  

I like most scents women choose to wear, as long as they're 
subtly applied. (Actually, the same goes for men's applied 
scents.) 

I do not like to be assaulted by perfume/cologne, and hope that 
*my* choice of scents for me does not assault others ... 

Btw, my colognes (can't afford perfumes) tend to be of those
marketed for men (except my trusty OLD bottle of musk oil)
because their aromas seem less "flowery", and therefore more
attractive, to me. That does not *begin* to explain my attraction
to Tea Rose. I haven't been able to figure that one out. 

Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective) I 
don't usually remember that I *have* colognes, and more often 
than not, I forget to wear it/them. I don't even wear scented 
deodorant. (Do you know how hard it is to find truely unscented
deodorant (as opposed to anti-perspirant)?)

Father Amelia, who apparently has a rather distinct aroma of her 
               own manufacture.

                   ----- Amelia T. Smith -----
University of Pennsylvania     Internet: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu 
Opinions: MINE! MINE! MINE!    NBCS: H-f-t-w++d-s+(+)k+p++e++g+  
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: MOW: reservations made!
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:09:46 GMT



Rod Williams and Doug Sewell have acknowledged being among the many
planning to attend.

Can we grab a time for a soc.motss gathering, and name a place,
or is it going to be too great a madhouse to manage?

If there will be a soc.motss contingent marching, that's terrific
(and makes a fairly natural meeting ground), but even so there will
be soc.motssers who figure on marching with contingents from local
organizations.  (If there are two things that soc.motss is not,
local and organized are surely those things.)



-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success sto
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:05:09 GMT

While I won't profess to know what makes a relationship work, I do
know that one can be tested by suddenly realizing that you absolutely
cannot go to the New Year's Eve party in about an hour until you've
hemmed your new rayon faille pants and that you haven't even pinned
them up to find out how much to hem up.  This realization is to be
followed by the discovery that rayon faille is miserable to work with
and that the hemming is going to take forever.

Oh, well, we made it and got safely through our 22nd anniversary.  Now
our tenth anniversary was the weird one, with hives and emergency rooms
and so forth.

-- 
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR  shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: tearoom sex and bathroom police
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan12.024221.4791@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:53:56 GMT

Anthony Berno (aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca) writes:

   There is nothing *wrong* with an exciting fling in a deserted bathroom at  
   3 AM when nobody is around. One of our most important freedoms is the de  
   facto freedom to break minor laws in inconsequential ways. However, if (as  
   the complainant in your article alleged) people are feeling uncomfortable  
   in bathrooms as a result of sexual activity, it is sexual harrassment  
   plain and simple, and should be dealt with accordingly.

I admit this is an important point.  I'm dubious as to whether such
harassment has actually occured, or whether certain parties with
agendas of their own have learned that they can use the harassment
issue for their purposes.   

   < comment about entrapment, etc. >

   As for sex that is genuinely disturbing others, I have no problem with the  
   intervention of the law. Forcing others to deal with sexual situations  
   against their will is just plain wrong, and you know as well as I that  
   this happens quite frequently in the area of tearoom sex.

I admit it can happen. I don't know the rate of occurance, and I'm
ignorant as how best to approximate it.  I share your concern about
forcing sexual situations on people, but I distinguish between a
situation in which a proposition is offered and refused, and one such
as a teacher propositioning a student (directly or indirectly) or a
jilted suitor stalking the refusor.  

--
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Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: race based fetishes
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:21:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan7.192135.15358
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <76208@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>I guess I am a clueless fuck.  First you call it a "fetish" when other
>people are attracted to you, and then state you have only slept with
>other Asians.  Of course, _you_ don't have a fetish, right?  By that
>same logic, my "fetish" for big cocks doesn't really exist since I
>have one myself.  Only the average or underendowed can be size queens.
>
>Am I reading your posting correctly, Caroline?

Well, you're reading it correctly for a white boy. :-)/2


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Enjoying Smallpox
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 19:45:52 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Jess Anderson writes:
>Medical science has suffered many defeats, but smallpox is
>one of its victories.  Do they vaccinate people against it
>still?

No, they do not.  In fact, I'm given to understand that I
am part of one of the last few "waves" of grade school
kids who got this inoculation as a routine thing.

 
() We Americans live in a nation where the medical-care
() system is second to none in the world, unless you count
() maybe 25 or 30 little scuzzball countries like Scotland
() that we could vaporize in seconds if we felt like it.
()      -- Dave Barry
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:50:48 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan12.183133.17802@psych.toronto.edu> 
paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings) writes:
| In article <1iu56tINNrgf@mizar.usc.edu>
| adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
| > In article <1993Jan12.072744.27430@netcom.com> 
| > cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:
| > > In fact, most of what we'd call
| > > queers on this planet might not identify themselves as such
| > > because they concieve of sexuality in different terms.
| >
| > Um, I don't know that it's really up to you or
| > me to impose our definitions on people who conceive
| > of sexuality in terms different from ours.
|
| From the characterization of her background that Caroline has provided
| in previous postings, I *would* expect her to have a greater understanding
| of the concepts and attitudes of non-North Americans.  I may be wrong here,
| but that's certainly the impression I have.

And yet she goes right ahead and calls them all "queers" 
anyway?  Interesting.

| >> I am thinking primarily of Asia, which is where most people on this
| >> planet live, but Latin America also comes to mind, off the top of my head.
| >> The concept of "gay pride" would be a foreign one, and the idea of
| >> celebrating some riot at a bar in NYC would seem ridiculous to them.
|
| >Yeah, well, I didn't realize that Gay Pride events
| >were designed to celebrate the "as long as I'm on top
| >sticking it in I'm not a woman" male sexuality of 
| >rural Mexico.
|
| And I do not feel that you have a very sensitive grasp of the sexuality
| and homosexuality of all of Mexico.  You jackass.

I wasn't writing an anthropological treatise, you
fatuous geek.  

| >> It's important for the US, but let's not get outta hand here.
| >
| >Yes, let's not.
| >
| sniff loudly.  lean your head back.  look down your nose.

Been taking a writing course from George Madison?

| BECAUSE OF COURSE YOU ARE RIGHT.

Of course I'm right.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 10:58:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.071513.26102@netcom.com>
cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:

>rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes (on pride day):
>>EVERY CITY IN THE WORLD should observe it on the last Sunday of June.

>I'm not sure if I seeing America-centrism, Western-centrism, or just
>plain the-world-revolves-around-NYC-centrism in terms of GLB history,
>but I sure am seeing some.

Well, it's at least theoretically possible that America, the
West, and New York *do* play a not entirely insignificant
role in LGB world history and herstory, so not everything
connected with this debate implies <x>-centrism of one or
another kind.

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