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From: robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Breaking one FAR can ruin your whole day.
Date: 23 Jan 93 07:47:43 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <C1829n.1Br@vti.com> mark@vti.com writes:
>Rob Griffiths (robg@Apple.COM) wrote:
>: In article <9301192210.aa11028@ingate.microsoft.COM>
>: garrettt@microsoft.com (Garrett Tolsma) writes:
>: > Could I be putting my pilots licence at risk if I break a FAR
>: > while jumping?
>: 
>: Your license would certainly be at risk.
>
>Isn't that analogous to taking away your automobile drivers license
>if you get a ticket for doing something while being a pedestrian?

That's exactly what it's analagous to.  I seem to recall reading that
there is at least one state (Colorado or Massachusetts, possibly) where
pedestrians and bicyclists receive points against their automobile
license for infractions!

>BTW--I'm not questioning Rob Griffiths estimate of the situation,

Feel free to question - it's just my best guess.  The FAA is particularly
vigilant when it comes to FARs (for good reason, for the most part), and
I'd guess they would pursue any license holders on the flight.  They
would >certainly< get the pilot of the jump plane, for knowingly allowing
an FAR to be broken...now, what they would do with the license - suspend,
revoke, mandate additional training, etc, is a complete guess.  See
the bottom of this note for a little background on the FAA.

But all of this is very theoretical - as far as I know, it's never happened.
It's just one more thing to keep in mind when you make your go/no-go
decision.

>     I'm questioning this particular practice of the FAA.  Also,

Here's a little background on the FAA from a pilot's perspective.

The FAA and pilots have not always gotten along.  Pilots have claimed
that the FAA is too harsh, while the FAA has claimed that pilots don't
respect the rules, and put safety at risk.

For the last couple of years, the FAA has been working to improve
the relationship, with a campaign known as the "kindler, gentler, FAA."
It seems to be working.  In the 70's or 80's, mild rule infractions (for
instance, skirting into restricted airspace by 300 feet for a minute
or two) would likely lead to a license suspension or revocation.  Now,
the same infraction would probably get some required flying time with an
instructor, and perhaps some ground time to review rules and regulations.
In the long run, this improves relations between "us and them," and
increases safety for everyone.

OK, off the soapbox, and back to the blue skies! :-)

-rob.
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 13:32:54 GMT

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Fido-To: skydive

Jan convinced me to leave the plane with my eyes closed, that was
great! Like an out-of-body experience, I thought, try it!
 
Tim
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From: rxb@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Ray Barry)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Military flights (Was: Re: Jumping through clouds)
Date: 23 Jan 93 13:37:11 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

Well, we don't really have any problems with other aircraft flying through our DZ,
although there is an search and rescue place not too far away who will kindly pick
you out of the North Sea in a big yellow helicopter. The only problem we have is the
occasional learner driver on th runway. Learner drivers tend to come and use the
DZ/farmland (yes we have to avoid sheep/cows etc when landing - can be quite fun 
shouting "F**k off you stupid cow" at 20 ft) to learn the hazards of driving before
they are let loose on the roads. This is not a problem when they stick to the
perimiter track, but how do you tell the difference between a road and a runway ?
(Geez, I guess I just don't know). On more than one occasion I've had to chase after
a car and warn them that a plane is about to land on their roofrack (Oh, is that
plane wanting to land _here_ ?). So far, there have not been any accidents.

Ray Barry
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From: robg@Apple.COM (Rob Griffiths)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Breaking one FAR can ruin your whole day.
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:44:12 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <9301192210.aa11028@ingate.microsoft.COM> garrettt@microsoft.com (Garrett Tolsma) writes:
>
>The recent discussion about jumping through clouds got me thinking ....
>
>Could I be putting my pilots licence at risk if I break a FAR while 
>jumping ? (Like exiting the aircraft above the cloud base).  I know it 
>sounds kind of ridiculous, but some of the FAA horror stories that I've 
>heard from other jumpers/pilots makes me wonder ...
>
>Comments ?

Your license would certainly be at risk.  If you break one of the FARs,
regardless of whether it's a skydiving FAR or an aviation FAR, you are in
violation of the law.  If you have a pilot's license, that's the first
thing they'll go after.  I think they would argue that your lack of regard
for the FARs indicates that you don't have the necessary training and
intellect required to fly safely.  At a minimum, you'd get a short
suspension, and some required dual time.  At the other extreme, they could
just pull your license, and say "See ya!"

If you >don't< have a license, the FAA will probably just pursue some
fines to contribute to the deficit reduction effort.

Just my thoughts on the issue.  When I resume skydiving, I intend to stay
well clear of the clouds.  My private + instrument rating probably cost me
(ugh) close to $10,000; I'd hate to throw that all away for a few seconds
of fun in a cloud...

-rob.
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From: zor@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Rumple)
Subject: Skydiving in French
Keywords: Foreign Language 
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:29:30 GMT

Greetings.  Long time reader first time poster. (have a case on me)

I'm a student here in the United States.  I'm currently 
enrolled in a French foreign language course.

My question is can someone please send me French translations
of familliar skydiving terms.  I want to tell everybody about this
wonderful sport, but we won't learn how to talk about it.  Please 
include the basics:
Skydiving, Flare, Rip cord, Case of beer, harness, canopy, RW,
drive fast and pull low, exit the airplane, "There's no such
thing as a perfectly good airplane.", etc.

I really apreciate any help you can give me.
Thanx :-) ;-)


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From: shibuya@bl.applicon.slb.com (Hiroto Shibuya)
Subject: Re: CRW Question
Reply-To: shibuya@bl.cad.slb.com
Organization: Applicon; Billerica, MA (USA)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:24:09 GMT

> I was looking through my January issue of Parachutist and noticed that
> in the picture of Zen CRW on pg 31 (I think) something looked odd about
> the way their chutes were deploying. It seemed to me that they didn't
> pack their main into a bag.  Is this right?  We don't have many CRW 

Yeah, I noticed that too. Looks odd doesn't it?  Anyway, I was on a
same plane with them on a practice dive there and saw their exit.  I
was terrified how close they open to each other!  They leave plane
with so little interval that four of them were off the plane within a
second or so.  Some hot CRW people.

	Hiroto

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From: mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Hector Mandel)
Subject: Re: Skydiving in French
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:28:51 GMT

John Rumple (zor@mentor.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
: Greetings.  Long time reader first time poster. (have a case on me)
: 
: I'm a student here in the United States.  I'm currently 
: enrolled in a French foreign language course.
: 
: My question is can someone please send me French translations
: of familliar skydiving terms.  I want to tell everybody about this
: wonderful sport, but we won't learn how to talk about it.  Please 
: include the basics:
: Skydiving, Flare, Rip cord, Case of beer, harness, canopy, RW,
: drive fast and pull low, exit the airplane, "There's no such
: thing as a perfectly good airplane.", etc.
: 
: I really apreciate any help you can give me.
: Thanx :-) ;-)
: 

Here's one:

      YAHOO!          YAHOO!
    (english)        (french)

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From: ehsnet!f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org!SKYDIVE (SKYDIVE)
Subject: Re: CYPRES Prices and Availability
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Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 01:53:56 GMT

Reply-to: Rich.Greenwood@p0.f3027.n147.z1.fidonet.org (Rich Greenwood)
Fido-To: romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!frc2.frc.ri.cm

Barry,
you are getting into a very stickey area on who can install a AAD.
Rigging innovations is correct in that they do not provide authorization
for field approval of the cypres on the talon. They do however for the
sse mk12000 which is really probably a more complicated installation.
 The FAA's advisory circular AC105-2c para 8 says in part that the installation
of an AAD on a certificated parachute (your reserve) is an alteration if the
maufacturer does not provide instructions for the installation. (RI does not
for the cypress.) In order to get it approved, the person doing the alteration
must get it approved by the FAA (and the guy who approved it in the faa most
likely wouldn't know what he was doing).
 I am not putting down the people who want to install it. I would feel very
comfortable letting them do it on my rig or my wife's. I'm just trying to
point out some of the legal points (my interpetation)
 The PIA is attempting to deal with this problem had have published a
interesting ADD/RSL Survey report. Its Technical Bulletin TB-260 of which
i am looking at the draft copy of Aug 10 1992. Ray should have a copy of it.
Ask him if you can see it and AC105-2c. Then make your decision.
Sorry if I've just complicated the matter.

  
 

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From: Robert_Magee@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Magee)
Subject: RFD rec.skydiving
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:58:35 GMT

I suggest strongly that if rec.skydiving is to be moved to any heirarchy then
it should be under Aviation.

Bobby Magee

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From: michi@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au (Michael Henning)
Subject: Re: Breaking one FAR can ruin your whole day.
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:12:39 GMT

mark@vti.com (Mark Smith) writes:

>Rob Griffiths (robg@Apple.COM) wrote:
>: In article <9301192210.aa11028@ingate.microsoft.COM>
>: garrettt@microsoft.com (Garrett Tolsma) writes:
>: > Could I be putting my pilots licence at risk if I break a FAR
>: > while jumping?
>: 
>: Your license would certainly be at risk.

>Isn't that analogous to taking away your automobile drivers license
>if you get a ticket for doing something while being a pedestrian?


Yes, exactly analogous. Depending on where you live, that may be precisely
what happens. In Australia, you can lose you driver's license for an
offence committed on on a bicycle.

							Michi.

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From: arichard@sph.unc.edu (ALISON RICHARD)
Subject: Re:  Call Ralph
Organization: UNC School of Public Health
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:46:46 GMT

In all fairness to Ralph, we got a good deal and good service when we
bought two sabres from him last year.  I can't speak for everyone, but I
can't sit back and not pass on this info.  I'd certainly use him again if
he had what I wanted at a price I liked.

Alison
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 13:20:21 GMT

Reply-to: Paul.Stansberry@p7.f68.n110.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Stansberry)
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I jump at Veedersburg IN.  There are several in our club that live in
Terre Haute.  The club is called "Illiana Skydivers".  Owner/Operator is
John McClatchey.  Phone #317-793-2816.  GREAT bunch of people.

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From: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel)
Subject: ESPN StarBlazin This Saturday - 1/23/93
Reply-To: beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:57:02 GMT

Remember all,

This Saturday at noon (AZ time) on ESPN, the program StarBlazin
will air. Supposed to be highlights from the fall Nationals at
Eloy, AZ. Get your VCR's ready....

Regards,


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The Surgeon General has determined that Skydiving is Extremely addicting.
From: WALKERK@ssvax1.ssd.loral.com ('Kent Walker')
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Breaking one FAR can ruin your whole day.
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:10:38 GMT
Organization: Space Systems/Loral, Palo Alto, CA
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In <1993Jan22.145657.22625@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> horn@freefall.jsc.nasa.gov writes:

> In article <1993Jan21.204105.13141@wdl.loral.com> WALKERK@ssvax1.ssd.loral.com ('Kent Walker') writes:
> >In <1993Jan21.153202.17819@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> horn@freefall.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
> >
    [Cloud FAR stuff deleted]
> >> 
> >Hmmmm.... Isn't the "Cloud Question" on the USPA license exams anymore?  I seem
> >to recall it being asked on every test, A through D.
> 
> Yes, and please forgive me oh perfected one, for clearly my memory does not
> serve me as well as yours serves you.  I shall, in the future, make up for
> this error by memorizing the holy FARs - all parts!  Have mercy on me, amen.
> ;-)
> 
> Sersiously, I just don't remember the specifics, but I do remember that you
> must have cloud clearance.  And on days that I need this information I just
> refer to my SIM for the necessary specifics.

All is forgiven, Sparkie!  I've sinned as much as the next person - nothing
like coming out the door last and seeing only white below.  Don't remember all
the numbers and distances, either, but do know it's never a "cloud", just
"thick industrial haze".  Actually, I prefer falling alongside a cloud where
it's not so cold, wet and hazy and where you can really get a sense of the
speed of freefall.
From: peterl@devvax.mincom.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Memories and thanx to Mark Smith
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:26:37 GMT
Organization: Mincom, Brisbane, Australia


After "only" 3months i have my copy of Air and Space in my hands.
It's the Oct/Nov. issue with the article of skydiving with the
Russians.I just want to say thanks to Mark Smith for taking the time
to send me the details of which vol. and number.
Looking at the pictures (and my photos) and reading the article
brought back the memories of the Moscow Boogie '92.
The people,the place,the jumps,the food (well, not so fond memories
there!!)and the general atmosphere all around.were great.
Standing out most in the memory dept. are some jumps we did out
of their Mi8 and Mi6 choppers.One 14way from 14,000 out the rear
of the Mi8,everything got settled by 12k then we hit the cloud.
Every thousand feet just brush the ice off the goggles and scream
at the person next to you(with exhileration,not fear!) We could see
the whole formation but just held it together.(concerning the recent
discussion on this topic...no flames please..I totally enjoyed it)
The cloud lasted to 4,500 (break-off height for the Russians),they
split,the rest of us came in,turned one more point,yelled,yahooed
and broke off.When we all had landed we got together and everybody
said it was a great jump!! 2points from 14,000!!!!we were all soaked
from head to toe in the front from the cloud,but totally happy!

Another jump that stands out is one that six of us "foriegners"did
using the Russian paratroopers gear.(photo on p.62).Out of the
Antonov at 100meters (static-line).That was a buzz,standing in the
door looking down,seeing the blades of grass,then looking straight
across ans seeing your friends standing on the side of the DZ waving
and taking photo's.....waiting for the buzzer and the slap on the
rig....then go!!!...getting tossed around by the 120mph slipstream
(the An2 had to go flat out to stay up at 100mts!),then the softest
of openings from the huge,cotton round....3 occillations and boom....
on the deck!!The adrenalin was pumping for about 2 hours after that!!
After in the bar with the vodka and 13proof beer flowing freely,there
was a presentation of paratrooper badges and patches to the newly
inducted Russian paratroopers...they now hold pride of place in my
collection and will soon be afixed to my gear-bag and rig.

The next boogie should be in early July,so if anybody is interested
let me know and i will give you as much info as i can.
they even let you fly the planes...i got to fly 05..the one on the front
cover.....hence this out-pouring of memories!!!Where else but Russia can
you do the thing we did!!!

No tut-tutting or tsk-tsking or flames please....what we did we did of
our own free will and totally enjoyed orselves doing it.

                          Fluro   
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:34:00 GMT

Reply-to: Richard.Ross@p0.f99.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Ross)
Fido-To: romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu!clev

RO>I am getting ready for my 3rd jump and took the intro course
RO>at the Thunderbird DZ in Richmond, KY.  Now I have moved about
RO>150 miles away and was wondering if I went to a new DZ, if they
RO>would charge me that initial fee?  (Currently at TDZ I just pay
RO>$16 per jump for the chute and lift fee).  I'd like to
RO>continue on up to freefall, but have found the 2 hour + drive
RO>to be a deterent.
RO>--
For $16 student jumps I'll drive to KY from Houston!!!  Prices around
here run from $35 to $55.  Are you serious?????


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From: hakana@isy.liu.se (Hakan Andersson)
Subject: Re: Breaking one FAR can ruin your whole da
Reply-To: hakana@isy.liu.se
Organization: Linkoping University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:41:05 GMT

In article 1Br@vti.com, mark@vti.com (Mark Smith) writes:
>Rob Griffiths (robg@Apple.COM) wrote:
>: In article <9301192210.aa11028@ingate.microsoft.COM>
>: garrettt@microsoft.com (Garrett Tolsma) writes:
>: > Could I be putting my pilots licence at risk if I break a FAR
>: > while jumping?
>: 
>: Your license would certainly be at risk.
>
>Isn't that analogous to taking away your automobile drivers license
>if you get a ticket for doing something while being a pedestrian?
>
>BTW--I'm not questioning Rob Griffiths estimate of the situation,
>     I'm questioning this particular practice of the FAA.  Also,
>     although I know stuff about planes, I am speaking/thinking
>     as a non-pilot.
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>This sentence is false.
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Have you been reading Goedel, Esher, Bach by Douglas Hofstadter recently :-)
For those of you how haven't; is the sentence true or false...?

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From: wine@stress1.nrl.navy.mil (jim )
Subject: Re: Breaking one FAR can ruin your whole day.
Followup-To: rec.skydiving
Organization: nrl
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:13:12 GMT

In article <C1829n.1Br@vti.com>, mark@vti.com (Mark Smith) wrote:


> Isn't that analogous to taking away your automobile drivers license
> if you get a ticket for doing something while being a pedestrian?


Dont laugh: in Maryland, under age drinkers can have their drivers license
taken even if they are not close to a car.

Thank heaven that stage of my life is behind me.
Blue Skies

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From: rxb@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Ray Barry)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Q: AFF safety
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:02:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

[stuff about AFF deleted]

> 	You guessed it - we're back in the middle ages in England. We all wear
> bowler hats and live in 'cute' little thatched cottages in the country. This is
> to avoid the numerous American tourists in London/Oxford or Cambridge - 'but Momaren't those the only Cities in England'.
> 	Oh my God is there a life outside the good ol' U.S. of A?
> 
> 	Adrian
> 
> p.s. It's been a long day!

Wow, you guys really have got a lot of catching up to do, here in Scotland
we've got stuff like Television and hot running water. Some people even have
microwaves, but few actually know how to use them :)

Ray Barry

PS  If you know Diane Murphy in HR, say hello to her.
PPS Any spaces in your department ?

:)