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From: dmav@frackit.UUCP (Dave Mavretic)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Startrek VI - the video
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:04:27 GMT
Organization: Esoteric Tribble Factory, Harrisburg, PA

In article <11210002@iftccu.boeing.com>, nebres@iftccu.boeing.com (Dan Nebres) writes:
> I rented Startrek VI last weekend and saw a changed to a part of the
> movie.  When the Klingon falls from the second floor and dies, the blood
> is red, then a mask is pulled off revealing a human.  Was this edited in
> to the video, because I don't remember this in the movie.

 Huh? Where did you rent that movie?  I would recommend you check it out
through them! There is something not so right in that at all!
 As I type, I am fast forwarding through the first of two tapes I have
of this movie. The first (the one that is fast forwarding now), is the
movie itself, exactly as the studio sold it to a hotel chain, for their
clients.
 It is uncut and unchanged from the movie I saw at the theater. As I am
watching that part now, I see that there is some red blood, but no
redder than the klingon blood earlier in the movie. There is no mask
pulled away.
 The second one is fast forwarding now. It is a copy of the one I rented
from a national video rental chain, and copied on my vcr's. On this
tape, I see it is the same as the movie as well.
 I don't know what was wrong with the tape you had. But I would check it
out with the company you rented it from, and let them know what's up!!

	Mav
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From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Godzilla / Nike TV Ad
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:47:56 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: Banzai Institute

Just saw a commercial on tv.  Starts out with scenes of Godzilla.
Narrator says things like "he's defeated Mothra; he's defeated
Mecha-Godzilla" etc. Then narrator says 'come Sept. 9th he'll
meet a real challenge', and they show a giant Charles B. (some 
basketball player, already fergot his name :(  ) dribbling a ball 
between some buildings.  

It's an ad for Nike shoes. Guess I'll have wait for the 9th...

Richard Travsky
Division of Information Technology     RTRAVSKY @ CORRAL.UWYO.EDU
University of Wyoming                  (307) 766 - 3663 / 3668
From: v106qjh9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BIFTAD HOMESLICE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Stranger in a Strange Land
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep11.184027.268775@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, bjs2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BENJAMIN JAY SCHRAGGER) writes...
>In article <futor-100992122824@chinacat.llnl.gov>, futor@llnl.gov (randy j futor
>) writes:
>>
>> toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten) wrote:
>>>      George Lucas . . . has only three directorial credits to his name:
>>>
>>>      "THX-1138", "American Graffiti", &      "Star Wars"
>>>
>Who cares he's got the money eorge Lucas can do what he wants.  I have been
>reading in Varity that GL has had a few high tech deals go sour, and with the
>restructing of Lucas films Ltd. He has lost A LOT OF 00'S.  So, I have heard
>he is in the process of creating the next 3 STAR WARS triligy.  The books are
>already out.  :*) Or in the words of YOGERT From SPACEBALLS the MOVIE when
>asked by LONE STAR "if they will ever  see each other again" YOGERT responces
>"YES in Spaceballs TWO the search for more money" :*)  Personaly I want to see
>all 9 of the series conpleted.  But why should I push it.
> 
>>
>>"Twice Upon A Time" wasn't a movie??!?
>>
>>This is one of those topics I think I'm going to enjoy watching the
>>follow-ups to . . .   ;-)
>As for the Topic STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND.  I would love to do the movie
>Lets see what Lunar combat on the moon looks like.  Hell, we'll throw rocks.

Dude, what have you been reading?  Lunar combat is from THE MOON IS A HARSH
MISTRESS.  So is your rock throwing quote.  SIASL is about the man from mars.
Catcha clue.  l^<
> 
>BEN
>-- 
>"Theoreticaly! Theoreticaly I should already be dead." Starfighter
> "Mmmm..." Star Navigator


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From: shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham)
Subject: Re: DROP THE DISCUSSION OF ALIENS ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:55:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.065606.29245@mel.dit.csiro.au> gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green) writes:
>In article <PETRI.WESSMAN.92Sep5203415@laureline.hut.fi> Petri.Wessman@hut.fi writes:
>>On Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:19:00 GMT, mjm3170@zeus.tamu.edu (MATTSON, MATTHEW JUL) said:
>>
>>MATTSON> HOW LONG ARE YOU PEOPLE GOING TO KEEP DISCUSSING THE SAME THREADS
>>MATTSON> OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.....
>>
>>MATTSON> ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>Until Alien(ses)^4? :-)
>>
>>Oh, and read the manual page on "kill files" while you're waiting...
>>
>>//Petri
>
>EVEN KILL FILES DONT HELP !
>
>THESE BLOODY THREADS POP UP FASTER THAN YOU CAN KILL 'EM !
>
>-- 

Alien threads, once hatched will attach themselves to innocent net-users.
Shortly afterward, the next posting in the thread will POP out of the poor
chap. The thread grow into mighty monstrosity making an entire newsgroup
unsafe for humans. Advanced technology, kill files, etc. can kill some of
the threads, but they are very resourcefull and find new ways to devour their
victims.

Dan Shoham
shoham@ll.mit.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
From: thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer)
Subject: Re: Startrek VI - the video
Organization: not yet...
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:34:53 GMT

In article <1473@frackit.UUCP> dmav@frackit.UUCP (Dave Mavretic) writes:
>In article <11210002@iftccu.boeing.com>, nebres@iftccu.boeing.com (Dan Nebres) writes:
>> I rented Startrek VI last weekend and saw a changed to a part of the
>> movie.  When the Klingon falls from the second floor and dies, the blood
>> is red, then a mask is pulled off revealing a human.  Was this edited in
>> to the video, because I don't remember this in the movie.
>
> Huh? Where did you rent that movie?  I would recommend you check it out
>through them! There is something not so right in that at all!
> As I type, I am fast forwarding through the first of two tapes I have
>of this movie. The first (the one that is fast forwarding now), is the
>movie itself, exactly as the studio sold it to a hotel chain, for their
>clients.
> It is uncut and unchanged from the movie I saw at the theater. As I am
>watching that part now, I see that there is some red blood, but no
>redder than the klingon blood earlier in the movie. There is no mask
>pulled away.
> The second one is fast forwarding now. It is a copy of the one I rented
>from a national video rental chain, and copied on my vcr's. On this
>tape, I see it is the same as the movie as well.
> I don't know what was wrong with the tape you had. But I would check it
>out with the company you rented it from, and let them know what's up!!


There was nothing wrong with the tape Dan saw, and it wasn't a "changed"
part of the movie.  It was an originally-filmed-but-cut-from-the-theatre-
version-then-restored-to-the-video-release scene, very brief, that may or
may not have been included in all videos of Star Trek VI.  (According to
the video box, about two minutes were restored, tho this few seconds is
all I remember noticing.)

To clarify, the scene is--  well, let's mark this spoiler in case anyone
cares but hasn't seen it.

There.

The scene is near the end, at Camp Kitimir (sp?), where the hidden Klingon
assassin is preparing to shoot the President of the Federation during his
speech.  Scotty bursts in on him first, tho, and shoots him, sending him
tumbling to the floor.

In the theater version I saw, this scene ended (I think) with someone
checking the Klingon, finding some blood, and one dead body.

On the video tape I saw two days ago, he notices that the blood doesn't
look right (too reddish), checks more closely, and pulls of a head mask,
revealing a human federation officer in disguise.

-- 
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===========================Thomas Kiefer===========================
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.movies
From: thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer)
Subject: rec.arts.sf.alien ?
Organization: who, me?
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:04:59 GMT


Would a rec.arts.sf.alien newsgroup it be worth the trouble?
At least for awhile?

Just a thought.

-- 
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===================thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu===================
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From: bjs2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BENJAMIN JAY SCHRAGGER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Stranger in a Strange Land
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:40:27 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <futor-100992122824@chinacat.llnl.gov>, futor@llnl.gov (randy j futor
) writes:
>
> toten@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (Derek Toten) wrote:
>>      George Lucas . . . has only three directorial credits to his name:
>>
>>      "THX-1138", "American Graffiti", &      "Star Wars"
>>
Who cares he's got the money eorge Lucas can do what he wants.  I have been
reading in Varity that GL has had a few high tech deals go sour, and with the
restructing of Lucas films Ltd. He has lost A LOT OF 00'S.  So, I have heard
he is in the process of creating the next 3 STAR WARS triligy.  The books are
already out.  :*) Or in the words of YOGERT From SPACEBALLS the MOVIE when
asked by LONE STAR "if they will ever  see each other again" YOGERT responces
"YES in Spaceballs TWO the search for more money" :*)  Personaly I want to see
all 9 of the series conpleted.  But why should I push it.

>
>"Twice Upon A Time" wasn't a movie??!?
>
>This is one of those topics I think I'm going to enjoy watching the
>follow-ups to . . .   ;-)
As for the Topic STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND.  I would love to do the movie
Lets see what Lunar combat on the moon looks like.  Hell, we'll throw rocks.

BEN
-- 
"Theoreticaly! Theoreticaly I should already be dead." Starfighter
 "Mmmm..." Star Navigator
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: rec.arts.sf.alien ?
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:22:33 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Sep8.160459.16738@cco.caltech.edu>, by thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer):
> Would a rec.arts.sf.alien newsgroup it be worth the trouble?
> At least for awhile?

No. Traffic in rec.arts.sf.movies is not so strong that it can't bear
that thread.  These things keep up for some time, then abate.  Today,
at this site, there are already more articles that discuss removing
that topic than there are on the topic itself.  Finally, you don't go
around creating newsgroups "for a while", because any topic that is
important "for a while" won't be worth the trouble.
-- 
Markus Stumptner                                mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at
University of Technology Vienna                 vexpert!mst@relay.eu.net
Paniglg. 16, A-1040 Vienna, Austria             ...mcsun!vexpert!mst
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
From: derek@abyss.sceard.com (Derek J. Lambert)
Subject: Re: ALIENS 4
Organization: Abyss - Carlsbad, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:17:11 GMT

	Sounds like it would be a lot better than Aliens 3!!

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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: <None>
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:18:45 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <92248.101555JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET>, JW83HISW@MIAMIU.BITNET writes:

>      This is no rumor.  A producer named Pressman is looking at scripts
> now, and Arnold has agreed to do the movie.  The budget for F/X alone
> is $50 million!  This is going to be the next BIG SF/action movie, and
> will hopefully do justice (pun intended!) to the Judge Dredd character.

This rumor has circulated many times...and according to "good sources"
(read something someone heard somewhere) Arnold has also "agreed" to be in:

1. Superman V
2. The Crusades
3. Spiderman
4. X-man
5. Terminator 3
6. The Toothfairy (right GMS?)  

Any way...unless you hear it from more than one person, and hear their 
*sources* I wouldn't believe it.

Greg Bole                                    "The ants in the grass, they
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  were just doing their thing."
                                            Matt Dillon in _Drugstore Cowboy_
From: ummorea0@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gene Moreau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: DROP THE DISCUSSION OF ALIENS ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keywords: Don't!
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:09:30 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada

In <1992Sep10.132424.7340@informatik.uni-ulm.de> rschoen@laborixsai.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen) writes:

>BTW, I am still undetermined....

How long has it been out?  I realize that movies are getting expensive but
isn't this just pushing it a little?  If you havn't gone to see it by now,
you probably don't want to.  I'd go see for the cinamatography(sp?).  The
story is kinda lamo though


-- 
Gene Moreau
University of Mantitoba
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
ummorea0@cuu.umanitoba.ca
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From: wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu)
Subject: Re: Hurricane and Jurassic Park
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:16:50 GMT

In <1992Sep14.125955.4096@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:

>In article <1992Sep14.131729.644@walter.bellcore.com>, kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
>> Just heard that the 130 person cast and crew filming "Jurassic Park" on
>> Kauai had to seek refuge in a hotel because of hurricane Iniki.  Hope this
>> doesn't set them back too much, but I'm not optimistic.

>	Hopefully they'll decide to add a hurricane scene, or use the damage in
>the film.

>	Nothing like "special effects by Nature".

Actually, in the book, there is supposed to be a big storm that knocks
over trees, etc.  So this might actually fit in quite nicely.

Phil
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Plot holes in Alien^3 (*S
Keywords: who_cares_anyway?
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 14:35:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.222258.2245@tandem.com>, Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:

[lots o' stuff deleted]

|> But for the record. . .
|> Your description of the physics of the tube shattering is confusing to me,
|> and confusing to your argument. . .are you trying to say that it would 
|> not be able to generate sufficient force without incredible strength? This
|> was, essentially, my point.  To break the glass, the things would have to
|> be insanely strong.
|> 
|> > What's to stop the glass from shattering after being damaged by acid?
|> 
|> Let's try some chemistry. 
|> Glass doesn't shatter after being "damaged by acid."  This is what I meant by
|> "seared" through it. . .the acid would just melt a hole through the tube, as
|> it did through Kane's helmet.  Recall also that it happened Very quickly in
|> the first movie, as the f'hugger attached to Kane. . .but that's a plot hole
|> for another time. . .
|> 

1) strength vs. force.  All the strength in the world won't help if you
can't deliver it.  You deliver force by either having a large mass (the
body) which moves a small distance in reaction to a smaller mass (the arm
or fist) moving a larger distance, or by pushing against something (which
is really another instance of the first!), or by being connected to the
object to which you are applying the force (a closed system).  The critter
doesn't have enough mass to apply a big force (remember F=ma; this is
independent of "strength"), so #1 is out.  It doesn't appear that there is
anything nearby to push off of, so unless it jumped from the ceiling, #2
is out.  That leaves #3, which is possible if it could exert an adhesive
force sufficiently strong to allow it to apply a sufficiently strong
blow.

2) shattering glass.  No, I suppose "plain old glass" would not shatter
after being damaged by acid.  But if the glass provided structural
strength (in the form of the arch of the tube), or was under stress, and
the acid removed some of that structural strength or caused an imbalance
in the stress of the glass, the rest of it might collapse, or shatter.
From: x91fanjoy@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: E-Wings?!  I think...
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:38:58 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

	This post is my feelings on the E-Wing fighter presented in the
new Star Wars comic book series, "The Dark Empire."

	Those of you who haven't read the comic books yet (or don't plan to)
have probably gathered from tidbits in the Net that the rebels have a new,
highly superior fighter (called the E-wing, because from the top, that's 
what it looks like).

	The E-Wing is ugly.  When I first saw it in TDE with an explanation
as to what it was, I just about drooled all over my self and collapsed into
an epileptic fit.  Mind you, only one other thing in all the vast volumes 
of Star Wars material (canon or otherwise) has caused such a reaction in me,
and that was the appearance of Wilford Brimley in one of the Ewok movies.
Aaaaaaaaaaargh!  I could just picture him talking to the little girl at the 
Ewok dinner table shovelling a spoonful of oatmeal into her mouth while
saying, "It's just good stuff."
        But alas, I diverge.
		
	Besides, what if the E-Wing flew upside down?  Would it be a Shwa-
Wing?   Or how bout that hull design that's somewhere between a Y-Wing, a
Buck Rogers fighter, and the new Chevy Lumina Van?
	They didn't even give the squadron a color code.  Rogue group was 
special because they started off as a snowspeeder group.  But here in TDE,
the E-Wings fly into battle under the command of Jerk Leader.... no, that's
not quite it, let me look it up.... oh, I meant Knave Leader.  I bet that 
struck fear into the hearts of those robotic TIE fighters (and they entail
a whole other story).

	I think that if they had to introduce new fighters (which they don't
need to until Star Wars movies VII-IX), they should co-introduce the M- and
N-Wings (sticking to the thus-far used common-variable letter codes). 
In fact, being an Aeronautical Engineering Major, I'd like to                   
design those for Lucasfilm as my honors thesis.  Top View of an M-wing could
make the letter M, and it would be a pretty cool fighter.  The N-Wing, how-
ever, you might imagine to be goofy as all get-out.  However, it would not
have to look like the letter N in any way, much the way a B-Wing doesn't
look like a B.

		Well, thus I have spoken my opinion.

		--Dave "Y-wings and Boba Fett are Cool" Fanjoy
From: lucas@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Huma Dragonbane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Adm. Piett
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:07:38 GMT
Organization: Knights of Solamnia, Order of the Crown

In article <1992Sep11.185827.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> ckeroack@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>today and the theory alluded to in there (which I like) is that Vader's sparing
>of Piett is an extremely early example of Vader coming of to the good side...
>the first hint that there's goodness in him.

	I'm so sorry!!! But you ALL WRONG!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHA!!! But
seriously, after killing Needa and that other guy (forgot his
name), the emperor came up to Vader and said:

Emperor: Yo! Vadie baby!
Vader: Yes my emperor???
Emperor: Well, I got word ya' killed Needa and the other loser! Yo,
I got the FCC on me! They say meaningless death is limited to two
scapegoats per movie unless ya' got a death license!
Vader: Death license?
Emperor: Yeah, you gotta' go down ta Alpha Centauri and spend a
whole lotta' time messin' with bueracratic stuff and it's all a
waste of time! So, don't kill this Piett guy 'till at least Return
of the Jedi!
Vader: Return of the Jedi?
Emperor: Shhhh! Don't tell anyone I read the script for the next
movie or I'll turn you into eggsalad!

-- 
Huma of the Lance, Alpha Institute. -- DOMAIN lucas@scicom.alphacdc.com
Order of the Crown  ncar!scicom!lucas --- Huma Dragonbane of Solamnia
"Est Sularis Oth Mithas, My Honor is my Life." --- Old Solamnic Saying
Ah love! What a strange and wonderous thing!!  --- Me on love (and in love!)
From: x91smathers@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: The New Children's Books
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:31:50 EST
Reply-To: x91smathers@gw.wmich.edu
Organization: Western Michigan University

	Well, I've been waiting to see if someone would mention them, but
since no one has, I might as well.  Everyone has been talking about 
the Zahn books and the comic series, but there is also a new series of 
children's books for the elementary reading level that pick up after 
RoJ.  I'm a children's lit major, and I'm always looking at children's
books in the store, and that's how I found this new series.  I just
had to buy the books that are out--it is to be a series of six and three
of the books have been released so far--and I love them.  They are 
sappy and cheezy and not necessarily correct, but they are a lot of fun.
	The books out so far are...
	1.  The Glove of Darth Vader
	2.  The Lost City of the Jedi
	3.  Zorba the Hutt's Revenge
	
	And the other three books that haven't been released are...
       	4.  Mission from Mount Yoda
	5.  Queen of the Empire
	6.  Prophets of the Dark Side

	The books are written by Paul Davids and Hollace Davids and 
copyrighted this year by Lucasfilm.  If you are interested, they would
be found under either Young Readers or Favorite Series in a  book store, and
the fourth book should be coming out sometime soon.  It seems like one has been
released about every month and a half or two months, but the fourth one still
isn't out and I have been waiting for about two months.
	Just a warning, these books, in keeping with the nagging style of 
today's children's literature, has an annoying environmental push in each book.
I don't have anything against the environment move and all that, but it 
really seems out of place in these books.  The first book nags about burning
the rain forests, the second is about killing the whales, and the third is
about smog.  I guess I don't like seeing so much time and effort given to
these problems in a Star Wars book, because the theme in each book is worked
and stretched to fit in these problems.  The Empire isn't just the evil
Empire anymore, but also the Environmental Meanies of the Universe.  But 
other than that, and the fact that for some unknown reason the authors have
Luke flying a Y-wing instead of his X-wing, the books are really cute.
I would suggest that everyone read them, even though they aren't Star Wars
perfect, because they are a ton of fun.

					--Karen
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