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From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Subject: Re: A question. . .
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:57:55 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In article <j1moody-281292163022@hesmac12.hesburgh.lab.nd.edu> j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Joe Moody) writes:
>In a country where instant gratification is such a high demand, 
>why has the national pass time of other countries--the smoking of
>opium--not become popular here?
	Simple.  Opium is harder to smuggle than smack.  That is why
	the prohibition of drugs is so stupid--it favors stronger and
	therefore more destructive alternatives.  Of course whether the
	drug will be a derivative of opium like heroin or a derivative
	of cocaine like crack is probably determined by which region of
	the earth is having a secret war with our beloved government. 1/2 ;-)
	

							smg



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From: an2506@anon.penet.fi (paracelsus)
Subject: SF Bookstores
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:29:47 GMT

I'm going to be in San Francisco in the near future, and I'd like to
get recommendations on good bookstores that carry literature on the
subject near and dear to our hearts. Names, addresses, and phone
numbers of stores would be appreciated if possible. Also, recommendations
for any must-visit places would be welcome.

- Paracelsus
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From: popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 08:59:45 GMT
Distribution: add
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
> : 
> : Strychnine WAS occasionally added to LSD, but USUALLY THAT CONCOCTION WAS N
> : SOLD AS "ACID" OR "LSD".  It was usually sold as as "THC" (which was more
> : frequently PCP, but was occasionally LSD adulterated with various substance
> 
> Are you sure about this? A pothead might buy "hash oil", but I doubt if he
> would be interested in any tab or blotter or pill being sold as THC. Remember
> that THC one of the active ingredients in marijuana. 
> 
> If the people wanted a psychedelic experience, they would buy lsd or angel
> dust. They would not buy some substance called THC.
> 
> : occasionally strychnine) or "mescaline".  I also seem to remember that outs
> : of California (and maybe even in California) some of the "Orange Sunshine"
> : being sold was bogus and actually LSD combined with strychnine.
> 
> I think your memory is incorrect. I would appreciate any documentation you
> can provide about lsd blotter being contaminated with any drug that was not
> a byproduct of the synthesis.
> 
> Bill


In my hippie days of the late 60's and early 70's, blotter acid was 
rumored to be ok but rumor had it that anything in pill or especially 
capsule form was suspect.  Strychnine was rumored to be the leading LSD 
adulterate.  There used to be a column in those days that came out in 
such newspapers as the Brekeley Barb. People would send in anonymous 
drugs to be tested and the results would be printed.  So you knew to stay 
away from the "yellow Submarine Acid" in the yellow orange barrel shaped 
pills, ect.  It would be interesting to know if they ever did find 
Strychnine.  I wouldn't be surprised.

Strychnine is also the poison of choice amongst southern snake handling 
cults.  These people handles snakes because of an interperetation of a 
verse in the 16th chapter of Mark.  The same chapter speaks of Xians 
surviving poisons because of their faith, and at some snake handling 
meetings, some participants indulge in "Salvation Cocktails".
  Strychnine is the traditional content of the cocktail.  Someplace 
around here in a box of clippings I have at least two reports of deaths 
from worshippers who overdid it.

--
popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell)
Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 481-3763
1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:19:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.180427.27355@grebyn.com> sgs@grebyn.com (Stephen G. Smith) writes:
>
>Anyway, back before the War on Drugs became the Moral Equivalent of
>Communism, LSD was common on college campuses.  Several groups analyzed
>street drugs and published the results in an assortment of
>"underground" newspapers.  Very useful to find out what you *really*
>bought ....  *Every* analysis of "street" LSD that I saw contained
>strychnine.  Supposedly it was added to "intensify the high".

I'd like to see copies of these analyses.

I used to follow these analyses myself, and composites have been posted to
the net.  In my experience and those posted, strychnine is RARE.

Strychnine WAS occasionally added to LSD, but USUALLY THAT CONCOCTION WAS NOT
SOLD AS "ACID" OR "LSD".  It was usually sold as as "THC" (which was more
frequently PCP, but was occasionally LSD adulterated with various substances,
occasionally strychnine) or "mescaline".  I also seem to remember that outside
of California (and maybe even in California) some of the "Orange Sunshine"
being sold was bogus and actually LSD combined with strychnine.

But in all analyses I have seen, LSD sold as "LSD" or "acid" is almost always
LSD with NO ADULTERANTS, or nothing at all.  This is one of the reasons that
LSD is one of the safest street drugs to buy -- you almost always either get
what you're paying for, or you get nothing at all (which means you get burned,
but at least not in a dangerous way).

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

	Deck Us All With Boston Charlie

Deck us all with Boston Charlie,
Walla Walla, Wash., an' Kalamazoo!
Nora's freezin' on the trolley,
Swaller dollar cauliflower, alleygaroo!

Don't we know archaic barrel,
Lullaby Lilla Boy, Louisville Lou.
Trolley Molly don't love Harold,
Boola boola Pensacoola hullabaloo!
		-- Walt Kelly
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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] DMAE questions
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 19:46:04 GMT


>nobody@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
>: 
>: What are some sources for dimethylamoinoethanol (DMAE)? 
>: How is DMAE pronounced? I think it is like "dee-may"?
>: 
>: 

Almost any health food store will have it.  I bought some at a
department store once.

-Howard



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From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Fried Brain on Acid
Date: 22 Dec 92 10:31:11 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec22.011614.21728@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
> : In article <1992Dec19.000455.20985@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> : 
> : > Let's put it this way. There is no medical documentation of anyone becoming
> : > a vegetable due to LSD usage.
> : 
> : Although plenty of people have thought thay they've become vegetables
> : on acid :-)
> 
> Can you provide some documentation? No one else has. If there are plenty
> of people who have believed that, there should be some medical citations
> that you can provide.

Oh good grief. I think your humour detection is a bit impaired. Personally
I am a banana. Not a vegetable but who cares...

-- 
Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
Tel: (0382) 308810                 Int: +44 382 308810
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From: mtymp15@staff.tc.umn.edu (David Hutton)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Eye redness experiment a success!
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:57:53 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

I put on the goggles and smoked up... and my eyes didn't get red AT ALL>

I recommend this for people with sensitive eyes.  With the amount I had,
my eyes would have normally been blood* red, but they were WHITE when I
wore the swimming goggles.


try it out, tell me if it works for you too.

peace

-- 
"Peace of mind produces right values, right values produce right thoughts.
Right thoughts produce right actions and right actions produce work which will
be a material reflection for others to see of the serentity at the center of it
all." - Robert M. Pirsig  "Ride the surf of the sea of neuron activity." - Me
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Ketamine <Fwd from daniel>
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 09:27:56 GMT

From U18327@UICVM.UIC.EDU Sun Jan  3 02:54:08 1993
Date: 2 January 1993 00:45:14 CST
From: Martin Flower  <U18327@UICVM.UIC.EDU>
To: MIKEH@TENET.EDU
Subject: Mike....

Thanks for your letter a day or two ago.(r.e Leary and public opinion)
 I wonder if you could do me a favour....(dont panic!!) I am using CMS system
 not UNIX and so I dont know how to send a e-mail note on the newsletter for
 general consumption as I know this is very relavent in the UK and is likley
 to be so in the US very shortly. Thanxs,

                                        Daniel..

  Letter from Daniel Emery 2/01/93 :-

  " I wish to pass on some important infomation on using ketamine for  non
    medical purposes. Anaesthetsts have been treating an alarmingly high
    number of patients with diazepam to suppress the phenomona of Ketamine
    anaesthesia (Bizarre dreams / Nightmares and unpleasent hallucinations)
    A report in SCIENCE shows that co-treatment with diazepam (or a barbiturite
    also prevents a type of brain damm{age caused by drugs of the ketamie type.
    Obviously people tacking Ketamine with the intentions of experiencing a
    psycic effect are leaving themselves open to this type of brain dammage.
    It should also be noted that the vast majority of people who have died
    in the UK from (Quote of tabloid press) "THE KILLER DRUG ECTASY" are
    actually fatalities from Ketamine and Anphetamine (Speed) combinations.
    Qu{ite simply I dont want to sound like an old woman but K is more trouble
    than its worth. I have tried it on a number of occasions and it is nowhere
    near as plesent an experience as Lsd or as energetic as MDMA.Its more
    expensive than trips,not as fun as E and lasts for a shorter time than
    either.If you still insist on trying it then PLEASE lay off the speed
    while you do. TA!!

    P.S If anybody appreciates music while on a journy then try these if you
                                                                          can..
       . Ozric Tentacles......Pungent Effluent & Strangitude (Dovetail Records)
       . The Orb..............U.F Orb & Aubrey Remixes
       . Gong.................Radio Gnome invisiable

 If anybody would like to get intoutch either to say 'your full of it'..etc
  then you can reach me on e-mail at U18327@UICVM...

                     All the best for 93...Daniel x


hummm Interesting. Thanks Daniel.   -Mike


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From: mmonningh@igc.apc.org (Max Monningh)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: IMI Meeting on 27 Dec!
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:14:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1301300225:000:267
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!mmonningh    Dec 20 14:14:00 1992


Just a reminder that the next meeting of the Illinois Marijuana Initiative will
be Sunday 27 December at the Woodridge Public Library from 2 to 4. 

Agenda topics include voting for directors.

Be there!


max monningh
IMI phone line: (708)859-0499
mmonningh@igc.org
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: donnell@eel.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: God and alcohol
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:19:47 GMT

Substituting God for alcohol or any other durg is indeed a swapping of
dependencies. 
But last I looked, God didn't eat your liver. 
Drugs are not for all, and even those who use some, shouldn't use others.
It all depends on the person, but at least "God" is free. Nobody sole
their house to buy more "God" for their dependency.
Pax
					--Judex--

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rodney@cabot.balltown.cma.com (Rodney Peck)
Subject: Re: Cats and LSD
Organization: Balltown Offsite
	<1992Dec30.020644.203434@uctvax.uct.ac.za>
	<1992Dec30.075934.4336@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:57:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.075934.4336@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> un040367@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

   brrian04@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
   > As far as I know wild animals (cats included) eat hallucinogenic plants on
   > purpose.  Can anyone confirm or refute this?

   I read somewhere in a reputable source (which I cannot possibly recall)
   that hallucinogens are distinguished from other classes of recreational
   pharmaceuticals (e.g. uppers and downers) by the fact that given a 
   button and a needle which delivers the drug, an animal (e.g. monkey)
   will _not_ repeatedly self administer a hallucinogen.

   Jeremy
   jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au (not this address)

I think you were misinformed.  I just ran across this last night in
Terence McKenna's _Archaic Revival_, chapter 10, Mushrooms and
Evolution, page 144:

"It has been shown in experimental situations that if one creates a
situation in which N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) can be delivered to a
monkey on demand, then a large number of monkeys exposed to that
experimental apparatus will prefer the DMT over food and water.  DMT
was used in these experiments because it is a very short-acting, overt
halluucinogen that occurs in many different plant species (Jacobs,
1984)."

and from the bibliography: 

Jacobs, Barry L. _Hallucinogens: Neurochemical, Behavioral and
   Clinical Perspectives_.  New York: Raven, 1984.

In fact, McKenna makes an argument in that chapter that mushrooms are
the catalyst for developing consciousness in monkeys.  That is, the
hallucinogenic experience causes the monkey to become aware of its
mind which then gives it an advantage over other monkeys and animals,
etc.

So -- don't give acid to cats unless you want to have them running
around writing cat operas and launching kitty space shuttles.

Rodney
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen)
Subject: Re: AMSTERDAM !!!  please help
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:44:19 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.104905.2605@dct.ac.uk> ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
>> 3.  Are hard drugs easy, hard, risky  to get?
>> 	(Ectasy, Shrooms, Acid)
>> 	and can you get them in any of the coffee shops?
>
>Certainly not in the big name ones that would like to stay open... But
>at night almost every second person on the street will offer you this.

Buying something on the street is a sure way to get ripped off. I know
several people who tried to buy 'hard drugs' on the street in Amsterdam 
and none of them ever got what they paid for. Raves on the other hand 
are supposed to be a pretty good place to get drugs. Small ones are often
better than big ones. Buy CityLife Amsterdam to get info about raves. 

MDMA, LSD, speed and MDE are quite popular in A'dam.

Petrus
From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: smoke
Date: 23 Dec 1992 06:20:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Just a reminder (I'm sure you all know this anyway):  When you post
"I smoke crack" here, you are etching a permanant and public record.

(..somewhat like engraving it on a monument in a park, plus writing
it in a guest editorial in your paper, plus writing it in a "I was 
a drug maniac" educational column to be published in Readers Digest, 
plus giving a speech 
on C-SPAN all rolled in one.  Kinda neat format, huh?)

JD

["I smoke crack" repost follows]

>Hey man....
>just wondering how bad crack is for your lungs.  I know that sometimes thos
>screens people seem to favor in the city are pretty bad... and they
>oxidize, adding to the malodorous flavor...   But how bout at a bottom
>line?  Is it way way way way worse than cigarettes, and how bout pot
>while we're at it?  Also, crack through an aluminum pipe, will that
>have some particles oxidize and burn me up inside?
>Figure smoking a nickel to a twenty a week of highly bastardized shit rocks...
>so no I don't freebase 90% coke anymore, adding to the uncertainty... 
>but I just need a ballpark figure.
>Thanks all you MD hacker smokers out there!
>
>
>Oh try me out I love you sweet leaf
>
>-tc
>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Bogus "THC"
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 08:14:36 GMT

cyan@uhura.cc.rochester.edu () writes:
: 
: I know exactly what Pete is referring to... bogus "THC" was around in the mid
: 70's. I got some once (and once only, I *do* learn from mistakes!) in
: California. The dude who was selling it referred to it is THC, and it was a
: white powder. I was skeptical about it, but did it with a friend anyway.

Hm. Apparently the more recent users know/knew little about their drugs.
From my experiences in the 60s and early 70s - no one would be fooled by
such a claim. 

: From the effects I got from it, it probably was PCP; pretty nasty stuff.
: Hash oil was around then too and was referred to as hash oil or honey oil,
: *not* THC. Whatever it was, the bogus THC that was being marketed back then
: was not the real deal (and probably was PCP for the most part).

Yep - and probably still is - if someone actually would try to sell such a
thing now.

... delided ...

: If I recall this correctly, wasn't orange sunshine "barrel" acid, in other
: words, in a tiny pill form (about the size of a saccharin tablet). It's
: real easy to "step on" something in pill form. I did some bad acid in
: Germany (purple barrel), that gave me severe stomach cramps. I *did* trip,
: so there was lsd in it, but who knows what else could have been in it?
: You are right about blotter acid though. I *never* had bad blotter acid,
: however, I stopped doing acid 11 years ago.

I don't recall any of the chemical analyses finding any such additions to
ANY form of lsd - whether blotter, window-pane, barrel, microdots or any
other form. That does not mean that such didn't occur. If anyone has any
documentation of such adulteration, I would appreciate receiving a cite.

Lsd, all by itself, can cause stomach cramps - among other symptoms.

Bill
From: mjr@TIS.COM (Marcus J. Ranum)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Drug dog
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:14:22 GMT
Reply-To: mjr@TIS.COM
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.

>Our school recently decided that we will have a drug dog.  Supposedly,
>it can smell just about anything, no matter how much you cover it up.
>I seriously doubt this.

	It's probably going for the "deterrent" factor. One easy solution
is to distribute small slices of sausage to all your classmates every
morning, for them to tie into their shoelaces. Red pepper in your pants
cuffs is another alternative, but why be cruel to a poor dog that didn't
have any choice in its career?

mjr.
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: medline
Date: 23 Dec 1992 01:20:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

In article <ofBpof200WB6ER5nZf@andrew.cmu.edu> "Bartley R. Troyan" <bt26+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>What is this "medline" keep hearing about? I assume it can be used to find out
>various medical facts and information...does anyone know if there is a place
>I can telnet to to access it? I'm here on the andrew system at Carnegie-Mellon
>University, and I've never heard of such a thing available on this system, but
>I'd like to be able to access it if possible.
>
>Thanks,
>Bart
>

[posting for the info impaired]
Here is the scoop on "Medline" *as I'm aware of it*
(back off! damnable flamesters!)

See the bottom of this post for Melvyl's blurb on Medline.

Medline is one of many databases available through the Universtiy of Cal.'s
"Melvyl" catalogging system, which contains citations on materials available
at all UC schools.  It also allows access to lots of other cool databases
(although my project [blurb mode on] InfoPath allows cooler "gopher" conn-
ections to Melvyl and lots more [blurb mode off]).  I think it may be
available through other electronic systems, but that's the way I know of
it.  Access is restricted though, so not everyone can get it.

To look at Melvyl, telnet to melvyl.ucsd.edu (192.35.222.222).
To see if you can get access to Medline, type "set db medline" once you're
in.  I have a feeling you'll get a password prompt, though.

If you are at or near a research university, you can usually get access
merely be virtue of being on campus.

OK oh gods of the internet, fill in the blanks I've left.

Disclaimer: UCSD hasn't caught up with me (yet), so be a pal and don't
let them in on me, hmm?

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and giving out InfoPath: telnet infopath.ucsd.edu (132.239.50.100)
login as "infopath"
or gopher sdacs.ucsd.edu 70 for the gopherized among us)
---------------
Melvyl's Medline help screen:

                           MELVYL MEDLINE Database

Use the MEDLINE database to retrieve citations and abstracts for articles
published in approximately 4,000 medical and life sciences journals.  MELVYL
MEDLINE is also useful for medical aspects of social sciences topics.

As of 12/22/92, the database contains 1,712,209 citations indexed by the
National Library of Medicine from January 1988 - present.  Updates are added
weekly.  For other statistics, type SHOW MED STATS.

It is also possible to search by title for periodicals held by the UC
campuses, and other California libraries.  Use the PERIODICALS database to
search by other access points.  Type EXPLAIN PE DATABASE for more information.

To begin searching, type:  START MED to clear all previous results.
                           SET DB MED to retain any saved results.

In Experimental mode, the MEDLINE backfiles are available, covering citations
from 1966 through 1987.  Type SHOW EXP 53 for information on the Experiment
in adding backfiles.  Type EXPLAIN MB for information on MEDLINE backfiles.
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From: nobody@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] DMAE questions
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: nobody@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 01:40:15 GMT


What are some sources for dimethylamoinoethanol (DMAE)? 
How is DMAE pronounced? I think it is like "dee-may"?




Thanks.

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