HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aboufade@math.rutgers.edu (Edward Aboufadel)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Doing a PhD in 2nd/3rd tier University
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:21:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In <1992Jul24.193708.24511@menudo.uh.edu>, esl_manager@uh.edu writes:

>	So far, most of the articles I've read in this newsgroup aren't very
>optimistic; but, of course, I cannot blame the writers since the economy
>is still anaemic.  If you guys from universities that I consider 1st
>tier are facing unexpected challenges in looking for a job after
>graduation,  is it even wise for students to pursue a PhD in a 2nd/3rd
>tier university? Wouldn't these graduates be facing an even more
>challenging search for jobs?

>	Please advise.

	I assume that by 2nd/3rd tier university, you mean not
Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, etc....  I just got my PhD in
Mathematics from Rutgers University.  This fall I have a tenure-track
position at Southern Connecticut State University.

	As a graduate student, I taught six courses at Rutgers.  I
found that it was this teaching experience rather than my research
experience that got me the position.

	No one wanted to hire me this year to do research.

	Some of the other students graduating from Rutgers have had
similar experiences.

	So, if you have an inclination to teach college courses, a
"2nd/3rd tier" univerisity should give you the adequate credentials to
get a job.

Ed Aboufadel
Rutgers U./ Southern Conn. St. U.
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Getting Faculty Position. What is the secret ?
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:22:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <14ve42INNa42@network.ucsd.edu> mbk@lyapunov.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel) writes:
}} 
}} I have no idea.  But I'd think that CS theory is more like math, where
}} publications take alot longer, and are typically done solo rather than
}} in groups.

Yes and no.  Theory people tend to work alone more than systems people
(it's damned hard to build a real system single-handed), but theory
results also tend to be much shorter (i.e. you can get a paper
containing one theory published, if only in a "letters" journal; it's
hard to write up a system in 3 pages).

Looking at CV length for people in different fields is useless.  The
publication standard for each field is different.  As I've noted, even
among CS people, you can't go simply by lengthof publication list.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
       "If you loose your arrow, you're likely to lose it in the weeds,"
                       was often heard in days of yore.

             "Home is the place where, when you have to go there,
                          They have to take you in."
               			-- Robert Frost, "The Death of the Hired Man"
From: jfm@jupiter.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (John F. McGowan)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: What's is like at NASA?
Date: 27 Jul 92 03:03:48 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


	In regards to Brian Burtt's questions about physicists and NASA, I
can provide a little information.

	NASA Ames Laboratory is particularly noted for Computational
Fluid Dynamics (CFD).  This involves simulating flows of air by wings
and so forth on supercomputers.  A number of physicists at NASA Ames are
involved in this enterprise.

	As mentioned before, many of the people who work at NASA Ames are
employed by contractors such as Sterling Software, Computer Sciences
Corporation, and a number of others.

				John McGowan

Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: jeffp@cco.caltech.edu (Jeffrey E. Prisbrey)
Subject: Re: Interview Experiences?
Keywords: Resumes
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world, local
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:09:55 GMT

This sounds trivial, I know, but:

A curriculum vita is usually pretty long.  I have been told that this
can be a problem, that people in the real world (tm) don't like
resumes longer than a page.

Some of the people here have experience hiring -- what are your veiws
on resume length?

thanks,

jeffp
.
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: ratnakar amaravadi <amaravad@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: molecular biology careers...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:08:28 GMT

Hi:

My wife is working on a PhD in molecular biology and is expecting to finish
in the next 6-8 months.  What are the career options she will have when she
graduates.  She is working on Xenopus development.

Thanks in advance.

Ratty, amaravad@indiana.edu
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: england@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (julie england)
Subject: Re: excessive academic focus (was: Re: Bad children, no career!)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:49:42 GMT

In article <BruFJK.1I3@news.larc.nasa.gov> siskind@eos4.larc.nasa.gov (David Siskind) writes:
>I got my Ph.D at the University of Colorado's astronomy department in 1988
>and have been fortunate to find good jobs working for the gov't. First NASA
>and now at the Naval Research Lab (still using a NASA computer link!). The
>work environment is relaxed, you are encouraged to do cutting edge research
>and publish as often as you can. Funding is not as secure as tenure, but much
>more secure than soft money/post doc -type positions. Similarly academic
>freedom is not unlimited , as supposedly as at a university, but is still
>considerable- and probably much more than at a private company (provided
>you stay away from classified research- that I couldn't recommend)


Wow, I wish I could work for NASA!  Could you tell us folks what it
was (is) like to work for them?  Is NASA as tied down with red tape
as I have been led to believe?


>In terms of research topics, we all know there is nothing available in
>astronomy, butthere is stuff available in studying the earth's atmosphere
>and many of the skills required are very similar. If one is of liberal
>bent, you can feel like you are working to understand the ozone problem. If
>one is of conservative politics, its remote sensing techniques for military
>applications. My work has applications in both those areas.
>
>What I would like to know is areas outside of my immediate field where I
>could apply my skills. Specifically, how could I get into public policy
>work? All I know of my little nook in the field and I was hoping that this
>bulletin would give me andexpanded view of the world. Instead, it appears
>to have degraded into a forum for frustrated academic wanna-be's.
>
>David Siskind

The University where I am at (Indiana U.) has a great reputation for
its School of Public and Environmental Affairs.  Many people who 
graduate with a degree in public policy from here go to work for a
variety of public and private institutions.  If you are interested,
send me email and I will look up some names for you to contact about
how to go about doing work in public policy. (Since you say that you
have a Ph.D., I assume you don't want to pursue another degree!)
What information in specific are you looking for?

Julie
-- 
*-------------------------------------**-------------------------------------*
| Julie England, Database Coordinator || Workshop in Political Theory and    |
| england@silver.ucs.indiana.edu      || Policy Analysis, Indiana University |
*-------------------------------------**-------------------------------------*
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: dfriga@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David R Friga)
Subject: I agree with Rob
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:20:03 GMT



I first signed up for this group, becuase I am looking for good
ways to stay in touch with the science community.  I had also hoped
to aquire some useful tips to utilze now and when I graduate.  What
I have found here as of late, has been nothing short of the daily
"freak shows" ie. Geraldo, Oprah, Phil and the rest of the bunch.
The bickering that has gone on here has not only been tasteless, it
has been rude.  Especially to those of us that look to this group as
a source knowledge about what lies ahead.  Therefore, I formally state
my agreement with Rob and ask that we get back to more intellectual
and educational posts, because this net is -not- for personal flame wars!

		Dave   = dfriga@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 14:37:51 CDT
From: <U53644@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: NO MORE %$#@* E-MAIL ABOUT THE JOB SITUATION
 <1992Jul21.160130.20027@cc.gatech.edu>

"I'd go up to Evanston to sic my neighbor's Rottweiler on Mr. Toreki, but I'm
 afraid that Rob would bite him back"

Rick thinks that this is a threat. Rick is an idiot. That - was - a - joke,
you imbecile, I was being sarcastic. How many people bite Rottweiler's back.
Even if you were stupid enough to take that sentence literally, there is no
escaping the fact that it indicates that the contemplated act isn't going to
occur.

OK, folks, I've used the word "disingenuous" before, but apparently some of
you were in class with Rick, and don't know what that great big word means.
It means (in this context) the quality (of an statement) such that it is
based on a deliberate error in fact or reasoning made with the intention of
creating a misleading impression (i.e. non-innocently mistaken).

I repeat, if I get my reader filled with the kind of foul mouthed garbage
that has been so abundant of late, I'm not going to put up with it.
Nor should I. Behave yourselves.


                                           Joseph B. Dunphy


Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: drt@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Robert Toreki)
Subject: Re: An open letter to Joseph
Summary: Ooops, my first paragraph got mangled...
Keywords:  Ooops
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: world, local
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:21:32 GMT

	Sorry, a hungry Newsender seems to have eaten my first paragraph from
the above posting.  Here it is:

	I just received a phone call from Joseph Dunphy in which he
threatened to sue me for libel in a most bellicose manner.  Right off I tried
to tell him that I wanted to end all this quibbling and that if we could
discuss things...that was as far as I got since he interrupted and then hung
up.  But he did assure me he would be in touch with NU's legal dept.

>	I post this as an open letter to Mr. Dunphy .....etc....

					Sorry,
						Rob
From: flip@tbd2.brl.mil (Philip J. Peregino )
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: How feasible is pursuing a Phd Part-time?
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:19:25 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Laboratory, APG, MD.

In article <1992Jul21.185458.28350@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> s_johnson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>I am interested in getting a Phd in Computer Science.  I just finished a MSCS. 
>To get the MSCS, I worked full time and studied part-time.  In regards to
>getting a Phd, I have several questions:
>
>1.  Is it that much more difficult than getting a MSCS?  To get my MSCS, I
>chose the thesis track thinking this would give me a little preparation for a
>dissertation.
>
>2.  Is it possible to get a Phd part-time or does it require full-time school
>enrollment?

     I am working on my masters in Mechanical Engineering at Drexel while
working full time.  I checked with them about their Phd program and they
said that they require their students to be a resident and attend full time
for one year in order to do their research.  
     I have heard that there is a possibility that I could do my research
where I work and not fullfil the residency and full time student requirement
(I work at a research lab), but this would have to be approved through my
supervisor and Drexel.  This however just came up in casual conservation
and it is not official and I haven't looked into it since I still have a
year left on my masters.

     If you find out anymore information I'd like to here the responses.


Thanks

Philip Peregino
flip@brl.mil
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: jwb@athena.mit.edu (Joseph William Barco)
Subject: Flaming in this newsgroup
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: sci.research.careers
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:53:53 GMT


I've been reading news for the last few months, and sci.research.careers since
its formation.  This is the first time that I've felt any inclination to post,
so, listen :)

Sci.research.careers has been the most interesting newsgroup that I subscribe
to, at least until the last week or so.  I have never seen such strong flaming
for such irrelevant discussion for such a sustained period of time.

I don't really care who is right, but this incessant flaming is done at the
expense of the usefullness of this newsgroup. I'm not trying to start a fight 
with anyone or take a side on the issue, but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say to stop acting so infantile and get back to the main purpose of this newsgroup.

Joe Barco


Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: slh5087@zeus.tamu.edu
Subject: STOP!... Please.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:17:00 GMT

I think the subject line pretty much says it all...  I would appreciate it
(and I speak only for myself, but hope others agree) if Mr. Joseph B. Dunphy
would discontinue his extremely lengthy expositories regarding his alledged
unfair treatment on this group.  It really does sound like whining, and I
did not subscribe to this group to listen to people threatening lawsuits
against one another.  Please, Mr. Dunphy, I'm not taking a side for or
against your position... but if you would discontinue posting on this part-
icular topic, the thread would die an appreciated death.

Before this flame war began, I was thoroughly enjoying this group.  Now I
kill something like 80% of it (that means YOU).  Couldn't any further
discussion that must be done on this topic be handled elsewhere or through
e-mail.

Steve
----
Steven L. Hayes, Texas A&M University, Department of Nuclear Engineering
(slh5087@zeus.tamu.edu)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: england@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (julie england)
Subject: What's is like at NASA?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:52:34 GMT

I've noticed that many people who work, or have worked, for NASA have
been posting.  I've already asked this question directly to someone in
another post, but I was wondering if those of you who have worked for
NASA could tell those of us who are interested what it is like to work
for NASA?  What sort of degree are you expected to have to do the
kinds of things that are assumed (or that you enjoy?)?  Do you have to
have a Ph.D., and if so, what area is best suited?  I guess I am
asking whether it is necessary to have a Ph.D.  Is an MS or MA
sufficient? I know that no one can predict the future demand for
specialists in any particular area, so I apologize for my general
questions.  But I've always had a dream since I was a kid of working
for NASA, or some aspect of the space program.  What's involved in
doing this kind of work?

I apologize for my naivete.

Julie
-- 
*-------------------------------------**-------------------------------------*
| Julie England, Database Coordinator || Workshop in Political Theory and    |
| england@silver.ucs.indiana.edu      || Policy Analysis, Indiana University |
*-------------------------------------**-------------------------------------*
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: What's is like at NASA?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:56:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.014128.14926@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
burtt@crs.cl.msu.edu (Brian Burtt) writes:
>	Regarding what life is like at NASA, I have a rather specific
>question in that regard.  What type of theoretical work is done at the 
>labs (such as Ames, JPL)?  I plan to get a graduate degree in physics 
>or astrophysics... what type of work do such people do in NASA?

NASA is not a "theory" agency.  You want the NSF.

Actually 1-2 theorists inhabit each Center.  We have a man who does complex
number theory here, but you will find far more applied mathematicians working
on numerical analysis and PDE solving.  We have 2-3 people who study things
like atmospheres, but they are not planning to retire soon.  (Recall nuclear
winter? done here.  Ozone. Here.  Global warming, see nuclear winter.  Popular?
No, just theory.  People just trying to figure out).  Astronomers at JPL
(mostly planetary people at Caltech actually, I go skiing with them still)
at Goddard (and their space Institute), JSC, Marshall, etc.
Many people simulate, but most have some pragmatic bent like being able
to build instruments to analyse plasmas, to validate theory, and the like.
The priorities is on the doing rather than the thinking.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: saur@swarm.wustl.edu (Maryellen Saur)
Subject: SIGGART confernence 
Organization: Washington University in St. Louis, MO
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:23:25 GMT

Anyone attend the SIGGART conference in Chicago IL?  (I think it went/is going
on this week/end)  Unfortunately, I could not go...$, transportation, etc.  
and would appreciate any news on the conference, esp. in regards to the 
future of CS graphics...

Also, a word or two about long and/or opinionated postings... just to let you
know that I feel like I'm missing something when I skip over them, but as
I have only odd seconds of time between work to read them, I have no choice.
Please, if you are going to say something profound, make it short and to
the point.  There are certain Poster's letters I've taken to skipping at a 
glance ... people who insist on epistles rivalling St. Paul's.
								Magellan
From: crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad R. Berthelson)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Re: Getting Faculty Position. What is the secret ?
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:12:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mississippi State University

>	[stuff deleted]
>|> There are atleast 20 people in the nation my age (18) who already have 6
>|> publications and at least one who has 18 publications. Typically, these
>|> papers (even ones which were published solo) are not of the highest quality.
>	[more stuff deleted]
>|> until recently). The moral of the story is that COUNTING PAPERS SUCKS AS A
>|> CRITERION.


Just to add...I have read several papers from some old farts that really
stink also....

I also know that there are the Doogie Howser types (Bill Gates..) that
do have something to contribute by age 18,  just read popular electronics
sometime, those 13 year olds that design the timing circuits (etc) impress
me.

Chad   (25 year old...sheez I'm old).

--

Chad R. Berthelson		Graduate Research/Teaching Assistant
crb2@ra.msstate.edu		Biological Engineering
cberth@abe.msstate.edu		Mississippi State University
From: dsouza@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Shariff R. Dsouza)
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: Opportunities in the AEROSPACE INDUSTRY around the world.
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:04:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I am a student in the US, studying AEROSPACE ENGINEERING. I would appreciate it if some one could send me some information on job opportunities in the 
AEROSPACE field around the world for foreigners. Was perticularly interested in AUSTRALIA, CANADA,EUROPE,and INDIA.    

					S. D'souza.

					e-mail dsouza@ecn.purdue.edu

						
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
From: tpm@anat.UMSMED.EDU (Terence P. Ma)
Subject: Re: The Life of an Assistant Professor
Organization: Dept. of Anatomy, Univ. Mississippi Medical Center
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:32:47 GMT

In article <YAMAUCHI.92Jul22181442@heron.cs.rochester.edu> yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:
>Here's a question for any newly-minted assistant professors at
>research universities:
>
>On the average, how many hours a week would you estimate that you
>spend on the following activities:

I've responded about hours, but hours really are not appropriate
because every week is different.  For example, in the past two
weeks, my main computer has been acting up and I have been spending
anywhere from 5-12 hours a day working on it (with service people in
the office, on the phone, etc.).

>1) Doing and writing up research.

Between 5 and 10 hours a week doing research.  I have written
several papers recently, and that would increase the number of hours
I have spent to probably 15-25 hours/week during the peak writing
periods.

>2) Advising graduate students.

Essentially none.

>3) Teaching, grading, preparing for classes, and helping undergrads.

During the few months I teach, up to 30 hours/week.  But I only
teach from November through March.  I also only teach graduate level
courses (dental anatomy, medical anatomy).  However, I often give 4
hour tutorials in the evenings and weekends.  The total contact
hours are 200+ hours in that 5 month period.

>4) Writing grant proposals, holding demos for funding agencies, and
>   other efforts to acquire funding.

Typically 20-50 hours a week.  The month before grant deadlines (for
NSF or NIH), I typically spend 60-80 hours at the office working on
the grant and then time at home at night.

>5) Other administrative matters (e.g. meetings, paperwork).

About 10-15 hours a week (includes administering my own computer
network).  I travel to about 4-6 week-long meetings a year, so that
doesn't count either.

>And, if it were up to you, how would you prefer to divide up your
>time?

My preference would be:

	Research	75-100%
	Advising	0%	(don't have a student)
	Teaching	5-10%	(for a shorter period)
	Writing Grants	0%
	Other		5-10%

Regards!
-- 
Terence P. Ma, Ph.D.		Department of Anatomy
VOICE:	   601-984-1654		University of Mississippi Med. Ctr.
FAX:	   601-984-1655		2500 North State Street
INTERNET:  tpm@anat.UMSMED.EDU	Jackson, MS 39216-4505