HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border)
Subject: Re: Uni-Discs?
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.tech
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 16:16:50 GMT

gmh@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Greg Hughes) writes:
>I've had a Uni-Disk for about a year.
>
>Good points:
>	Light	180 grams.
>	Cheap   $35-$45
>	Seems to work as expected.
>	Quiet, doesn't sound like a 55 gallon drum rolling down the road.
>
>Bad points.
>	Wrinkes with temperature decrease or moisture.
>	Makes it a pain to inflate your tire.
>	Wears where it contacts spokes.

I used a Uni-disk for time-trials and even some track riding all last
year.  Greg has summarized most of the good and bad points pretty well.
But to the bad points I'll add:

	Clips are not strong enough -mine popped loose a couple times
	Will potato chip if removed (like to glue a tubular).  Takes
	  at *least* 4 hands to re-install.
        My left side "hub ring" also separated/didn't fit very well.

I decided that every time I uttered the phrase "I hate this Uni-Disc",
I would throw $10 in the "disk fund".  The phrase was sure to be uttered
whenever I had to pump up the tire (I was using latex tubed sew-ups, so
this means every ride), whenever I had to change the tire, whenever I
wanted to change the freewheel, whenever the disk popped loose...

Now I have a Zipp 950 :-).  That disk fund grew pretty fast.
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From: cbishop@zeus
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: HG Chain vs. Sedis ATB
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:55:38 GMT
Organization: GE Aerospace, Burlington, Mass

In article <1992Sep1.193453.28488@ico.isc.com>, bobb@ico.isc.com (Bob Bundy) writes:
>  
> I think Keith's experiences are typical.  In cases of installation error
> it is difficult to know whether to place the blame on the installer or
> on the engineer who designed a system that is so prone to installation 
> error.  My son broke three of these chains in a couple of months.  Two
> broke at the black pin that he had replaced and one broke at a regular pin.
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It is my understanding that you do not replace the black pin. Always 
replace one of the regular pins. Am I wrong?

Chuck
cbishop@zeus.dnet.ge.com
From: silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ADVISE sought: WIFE doesn't wear helmet, etc. - how to make her do
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:12:15 GMT
Reply-To: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert)
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In <1992Aug31.172010.20091@eecs.nwu.edu> mack23@avalon.eecs.nwu.edu (Chris Walsh) writes:

>Another good read that makes this point is a book by some couple (help me
>here, folks!).  They rode zillions of miles around the U.S. and documented
>it in a book.  Tons of photos and descriptions of how idiots cut them off,
>tossed shit at 'em etc.  About a third through this 300 pp book, I realized
>that neither person ever had a helmet on.  I finished the book, and on the
>last page there was an Afterword that said that the female protagonist (if
>there can be such a thing in a non-fiction work) had died a few months after
>completing the book, of head injuries sustained in a helmetless crash.  The
>remaining author strongly urged folks to always wear a helmet.  If your wife 
>has any sense at all, this will make the desired impression.  Now, if anyone
>can help with the title, ISBN #, etc...

The book is "Miles from Nowhere", and the late author was Barbara Savage.
An excellent if very depressing book.  It was striking how ill prepared,
both in terms of equipment and cycling skill, the couple was, and yet
they completed an incredible journey.

I have the book at home, if anyone needs further details I'll dig them up.

-- 
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: Christian Brudevoll <chribrud@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: ADVISE sought: WIFE doesn't wear helmet, etc. - how to make her
        do it?
        19:17:12 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
        <SCHENG.92Aug31141712@bcarh886.bnr.ca>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:00:00 GMT
Originator: chribrud@maud.ifi.uio.no

In article <SCHENG.92Aug31141712@bcarh886.bnr.ca> scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng) writes:

> My solution is to buy a tandem. Expensive but you can ride at exactly
> the same speed. There is (are?) a tandem, Counterpoint OPUS IV, which allow for
> independent stoker/captain cadence.

I think it should be possible to connect your bikes along
each other with a specialized fork on the bike in the back
connected to the rearwheel on the other bike witch has to
have a longer axle.
That wold probably be a much cheaper solution.

Christian Brudevoll
Norway
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 27 Aug 1992 18:07:03 MST
From: James Cassidy <IFJXC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Smoke/Dart, Ground Control
 <6a2M02tC1fA901@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> <BtLGB5.nA@acsu.buffalo.edu>

I don't know the weight of the Ritchey WCS, but the kevlar beaded Darts are
very light, about as light or lighter than a Ground Control Extreme, which
is a light tire anyway.  The 2.1 Dart is a great tire, by the way.  This is for
use on hard pack, which we have aplenty around here.

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce Jackson)
Subject: Re: Keeping Chamois Supple
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:48:53 GMT

In article <9209012104.AA19361@mobil.com> ra_novy@DAL.MOBIL.COM writes:

>What do y'all use to keep the chamois (just how does one pronounce that?) in
>your cycling shorts supple?  Over time, it tends to dry out and stiffen up. 
>Yes I do wash them (by hand) after every ride, but with a minimum of detergent
>so as not to leach out whatever softener is there originally.

Just pronounce it shammy.  There are a number of commercial preparations
to keep the chamois in your shorts soft and supple.  All of the
commercial chamois creams I've tried smelled like dead fish.  Some
advertise that they have no odor but they also stink.  I don't know
if these products get rancid waiting to be purchased or if they simply
all smell bad.

I use a good quality hand lotion on my chamois.  Lubraderm has the
advantage of not having any fragrence so you won't smell like a
cosmetics counter when you ride.  I've found that some of the hand
lotions with aloe work well but some of them have too much aloe
and sting a little.

I use synthetic chamois most of the time.  I still hand wash and hang
dry them because they last a lot longer that way.  I only use natural
chamois for very long rides since I do find them more comfortable.

>Bob Novy
>ra_novy@dal.mobil.com
>Dallas, TX

ride with the wind...

Bruce  -  jackson@ponder.csci.unt.edu
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: How do you protect a bike from the elements?
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:56:47 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo


The only problem I have is winter.  But then the salt does more dammage
than leaving it out when it snows.  Generally a dept. store bike only lastes
1 year (2 at most) so leaving it out 24 hours a day is not a concern.  I
would not use a real bike for commuting because of theft.  But some of my
friends do use expensive older bikes for commuting.  These bikes have seen
close to 10 years outside without any problems.  There is not much that rain
can really do to a well built bike.  Of course on cheaper ones it can get
into the headset and bottom bracket bearing and freeze them solid (had that
happen last winter when the water+salt rusted my headset and BB into place.
  - Eric
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Chainring bolt patterns (WAS: Crank arm length)
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:19:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

>: rpimente@es.com (Richard Pimentel) is crank-y: 
>: >[My crankset does not accept a 39 tooth chain ring.]

>shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>:[If it is a road bike, then it ought to take a 39-T ring.]

harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) writes:
>[Not if he has _real_ cranks: Campagnolo Nuovo/Super Record rings are
> only widely available down to 42.  Or _really real_ cranks: Campy
> (old) Record only down to 44T.  Sugino and others made copies of
> these.]

If my memory serves me correctly, he might have _really really real_
cranks: Stronglight cottered steel cranks, vintage 50's and early 60's,
that only take rings down to 47T.  The one I used to ride had a 14-21
rear cogset.

On a related note, I have a Sugino crank with the Record-copy bolt
circle.  The spider is factory-drilled for a granny ring down to 28T.

On a less-related note, I've ridden a bike with 52T small chainring,
and the large one was 60T.  Hint: it had 17" wheels :-)

		;-D on  ( Chain rings a bell )  Pardo
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ciardo@cs.tu-berlin.de (Gianfranco Ciardo)
Subject: Re: Bicycle polo?
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:55:02 GMT

This might be unrelated, but when I was a kid, growing up in Italy,
we used to play bicycle soccer.  Our bicycles were not in great shape,
so we would not mind a small amount of physical contact, but it was
usually a very limited amount.

The ball was a soccer ball, or a lighter version of a regualr soccer ball.

The goal would be a pole, tree, container, or something like that, simply
because no kid ever wants to be a goalie :-)

The big advantages, the way I see it, is that you can keep your hands on
the handlebar where they belong (you need to do a lot of fast changes
of direction...), and you can kick with either the left or the right foot,
that is, from either side of the bike.

It sure beats bicycle polo in my mind, hands down (on the handlebar :-).

-- Gianfranco Ciardo
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Bicycle polo?
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:21:35 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

does anyone have any information on playing polo on a bicycle?

I just played my first game. two on two, on mountain bikes using
croquet mallets. The game certainly has potential, as much as any team
sport. But we were all so bad at manoeuvering that it was sort of
frightening...

It seems to me that you want a bike that is low and handles well,
rather than a fast bike (I tried to play on my road bike for a minute:
no WAY). You also want a bike that is easy to maintain - lots of
people crowding in a small space with swinging hammers is a little
hostile to delicate bikes. I was thinking that those cheap little
Huffy jobs (the type that are used for trick riding) might be fun.

Anyone have any rules, or tips on how to play? Does anyone play polo
on bicycles seriously?
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/   You're free, so anything could happen, so happy birthday
From: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com (Jeffrey J. Griglack)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Real chamois shorts (WAS Re: Saddle sores)
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:21:44 GMT
	<0095FEC4.E9C47820@FHYDRA.FYSEL.UNIT.NO>
	<1992Aug31.164941.14369@cs.cornell.edu>
Reply-To: jeff@claw.clearpoint.com
Distribution: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: /home/jeff/.organization

On 31 Aug 92 16:49:41 GMT, hoppe@cs.cornell.edu (Bruce E. Hoppe) said:
B> Nntp-Posting-Host: alsvid.cs.cornell.edu

B> Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes writes:
B> |> Thus spoke the keyboard of hoppe@cs.cornell.edu (Bruce E. Hoppe):
B> |> >My best cure for chronic saddle sores was to use real chamois shorts,
B> |> 
B> |> Real shorts with real chamois are really hard to find! Do they still
B> |> exist, or do they belong to the past?

B> I purchased Performance real chamois shorts and chamois cream way back in
B> '89, so they may have disappeared since then.  More recently, in '91 I
B> purchased a pair of Giordana real chamois shorts -- these were a pretty
B> deluxe pair of shorts, with amazingly stretchy lycra.

The Performance real chamois shorts are still available.  In fact
they are on sale in the current catalog for about $20 a pair.  I
prefer the ease of care of the man made materials, but that is just
personal preference.
--

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|jeff@claw.clearpoint.com  | and call it work!"                               |
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Ignorant Cyclists (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:28:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <16854B8A5.M23231@mwvm.mitre.org> M23231@mwvm.mitre.org writes:

(comments about riding on the 'wrong' side of the street being stupid)
A
>*************
>But it does *seem* like a more defensive rule. Regardless of which side
>of the road a bicyclist travels on, he is virtually guaranteed that every
>motor vehicle will pass him. He will likely be killed if a collision occurs
>on either side of the road. At least when he's on the left (US) he can see
>what is coming at him. Riding on the right he must rely on poor rear view
>sight and the skill, good will, and alertness of every driver going his
>way.
>*************

I agree with this. In fact it may very well _BE_ the intelligent thing to.
Small children, like pedestrians, have a forward velocity low enough 
that additive energy is  a pretty minor part of the equation. In this
case it would seem that avoidance is more important than direction of
traffic.

And, as a pedestrian, I have _jumped_ out of impending doom often
enough to not believe that "if a car is going to hit you, it is
going to hit you.
"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: robertb@kronecker.mit.edu (Robert Becker)
Subject: Re: Frequency of flats
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:06:35 GMT

Here's something:  Mr. Tuffy tire liner!

	Seriously, this product exists.  It's a thick slice of
	polyurethane vinyl that goes between the tube and the tire.
	I installed it into my commuting/touring bike five ago
	and have since forgotten about flats.  However, I also
	scrupulously keep my tires inflated.

	Advertisement for Mr. Tuffy:  I ride in the Boston/Cambridge
	area:  we have glass glass glass and construction construction
	construction everywhere!  After New York City, we take the
	award for pothole frequency and size!  Tires get sliced into ribbons
        over a couple months, but with Mr. Tuffy, No Problemo!

I have no affiliation with the company that produces Mr. Tuffy.
Available at all good bike stores.  If they don't have it, ask for it.
-- 

---------------
Robert Becker, Secretary, 2-332      Dept. of Mathematics, MIT
Cambridge, MA  02139-4307            (617)253-1797
From: daavid@bohra.cpg.oz.au (Daavid Turnbull)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Hints on commuting by bike?
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:44:24 GMT
Organization: Computer Power Software


Two points on this thread.

1) They tell me that in flat old Holland, where cycling to comute etc is
more the norm so is the acceptance of the odd bit of sweat which just
goes with the territory.... dont adjust your vision, it is your perception
that is the problem.

2) I ride to work whenever I can, ~17K, (usually have to drive my son to
school).  I always wear my neat casual/ normal work clobber.  I drive at a
relaxed pace but cover the distance in 40 minutes or so.  Just by making
sure that I do not power up to much I find that a quick once over with
the clothes brush to remove the odd flecks of mud and a pull through of
the flea rake, followed a large glass of water + the mandatory cup of
strong coffee leave people unaware of my preferred mode of transport.
-- 
	Daavid Turnbull
	daavid@bohra.cpg.oz   +61 3 823 0222    (fax) +61 3 824 8068
	uunet!munnari!bohra.cpg.oz!daavid
	CP Software Export Pty Ltd                   ACN 006 640 133
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: gorrie@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Subject: Cycling in the buff -  Was: My Pants Leg is Dying...
Reply-To: gorrie@hercules.uregina.ca (Dennis Gorrie)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:31:42 GMT

In article <2564@tau-ceti.isc-br.com> cecilw@access.isc-br.com (Cecil Williams) writes:
[ stuff deleted ] 
>
>These days I never ride in long pants.  It's shorts, lycra, or nothing!
                                                                ^^^^^^^^
>Cecil

It sounds like fun, but doesn't your but get chaffed after a while?

Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:227 rec.bicycles.soc:59
From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:38:01 GMT
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In <1SEP199208502942@xenon.arc.nasa.gov> laforce@xenon.arc.nasa.gov (Soren LaForce) writes:

>In article <12hnx0_.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes...

>> 
>>Furthermore, there were on the order of 850 fatalities each year
>>from bicycle accidents vs. the 50,000 per year in auto accidents.

>Same comment.  Normalize the numbers to miles driven.  You list 
>about 60 times more auto fatalities per year than bicycle fatalities.
>Considering that there are probably much more than 60 times the number
>of auto miles driven (and more relevently, much more than 60 times
>the number of auto hours driven) the bike satistics don't look too good.

I wouldn't be so sure if I were you.  The average car in the US is
used for around 10000 miles a year.  If the average bike goes only 200
miles it's within a factor of 50.  In my childhood I was a fan of
speedometers, so I know I easily rode 200 miles per year then.  A few
miles a day over the course of a summer will do it. (Of course, this
year I rode about 5000, within a factor of two of my car milage.) My
vague recollection is (anyone out there with a copy of Forester's book
at hand?) that the per mile risk of driving and bicycling is about the
same (which would mean bicycling is safer per hour).

>I ride bikes.  I drive cars.  Both populations have lots of idiots.
>I do not fear for my life anywhere near as often in the car.  

But maybe you should.  Irrational fears are tough to lose, but may not
be warranted by facts.

>The real problem I see with wrong side riding is that you are going
>to appear where you have NO business being.  I mean, forget the law, car
>drivers just aren't expecting you at intersections, driveways, etc.

Exactly.

--
--------
Paul J. Schinder
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mikeh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (michael p.herlihy)
Subject: Re: Hints on commuting by bike?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:01:00 GMT


On this subject, I've notice an ad in the back of many bicycling
magazines about a pannier that can carry a suit.  Does anyone on
the net use one of these?

On a totally different subject, last night when I was out riding
I almost collided with two kids (~15 years old) cycling against traffic.

I wanted to say something like "wrong side of the street" but
I didn't want to sound obnoxious.  Suggestions on what to say?
-- 
Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo. 
Confessions of St. Augustine, Book VIII, Chapter 7
From: paulo@eik.ii.uib.no (Paul Olav Tvete stipendiat)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: All the leaves are brown...
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:24:08 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen

Well, not all of them, but some are in the road. So, does anyone know how to
get the blood out of leather gloves?

Btw, thanks to all who told me that wax doesn't work well as a chain lube when
it rains.

-- 
Paul Olav Tvete;  paulo@ii.uib.no  ---- Ein # kan'kje vara evig, veit du. ----
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Child's bike for sale
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:31:20 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

(We aren't getting r.b.marketplace yet)

Diamondback Curaco 
 
        20" wheels 
        5-speed derailleur
        cantilever brakes 
        blue 
 
        $20 
 
My 9.5-year-old son outgrew it and moved up to 12-speed and 
a purple frame with 24" wheels. 
 
The bike is in good shape, he took good care of it, but we 
don't have room to store it... 
 
        Steve Hix 
        (415) 336-7547 
        (408) 779-8795 (evenings, Sun-Thur) 

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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Bicycle polo?
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:51:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug30.225154.8897
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug30.153904.23832@seas.gwu.edu> jens@seas.gwu.edu (Jens Johansen) writes:
>We used a softball, which was a mistake!  Darned things can do
>terrific damage to one's spokes if it ever hits the wheels.

you think a softball can hurt your spokes - try hitting them with a
swinging mallet. Spokes break really quickly when lateral force is
applied to them :-)

We used a nerf softball, which worked out well. It's soft and not too
bouncy, and it is heavy enough that it rolls well. The softness is
good - I was using the wheels of the bike a lot to block the ball, and
at least one guy was kicking the ball with his rear wheel.

>Croquet mallets sound a bit too violent for me.  Any sort of serious
>swing at the ball might easily put an end to one's well-loved bicycle
>frame. Anyhow, aren't they very heavy to swing with one hand?

They are unwieldy. My right arm still hurts two days later.

One other equipment thing - if you're right handed, then you generally
only have your left hand to manoeuver with. And what does that mean?
Yep - you only have front brakes. I went over the handlebars once
while playing, and we were taking it easy. I'd swap the brake cables
on a regular bike, and I'd think seriously about getting those goofy
kids coaster brakes (you know, the ones you backpeddle on) so you
don't have to brake and steer with the same appendage.

As for rules, we only came up with a few. No contact, obviously. You
have to keep your feet off of the ground when you are trying to handle
the ball, unless you are a goalie. The goalie can reach down and pick
up the ball if s/he wants (this last rule is somewhat in flux).
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/       This is the time, and this is the record of the time
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: leg shave shacks
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:21:33 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <9224511.24171@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson) writes:
>varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel) writes:
>
>>I have been told that "the hair grows back longer" is a myth.
>
>It must be.  I haven't noticed any difference at all.

also, if this myth were true think of how your legs would look in the limit.
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