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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: Missing the point (was Re: Dulles Toll Road, HOV, and Air Pollution)
Organization: HFS, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:15:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.180949.23745@linus.mitre.org> woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) writes:
>
>I think you don't realize that even if we did have an adequate mass
>transit system the inertia of the single occupant car will continue.
>People do not care about the environment unless it doesn't cause them
>inconvinience (or maybe too much inconvinience).  We now all recycle
>like good boys and girls, but we still pollute in order of leaving for
>work when we want to. It won't matter to any of those folks on the two
>lanes of the toll road. They don't care whether they pollute or save
>money. All they care about is having their car so they don't have to
>sacrifice 30 minutes to carpool. (which they loose in congestion).
>

I think your're just a bit overgeneralizing people and judging
them harshly.  If it makes sense to carpool or to take mass
transit, I think more people would do it.  Sure, not everybody,
but more.  I submit that the way things are now, it doesn't make
any sense.  Even taking the Metro into DC has turned into a major
hassle so that it is much easier to drive in and find parking in
DC than to find parking at Metro stops like Dunn Loring and
Vienna.  Not only easier, but cheaper too.  What does that tell
you about the seriousness of people here really trying to cut
pollution.  And if that wasn't enough, now they're talking about
raising the non-rush hour fares.  How many people do you think
that will encourage to take the Metro?

>John, if the Sterling Commuter Bus started running to Tyson's Corner
>would you take it when time would allow?

15 years ago, when I worked at the Pentagon and lived in
Alexandria, I took the bus to work even though I had a car.  It
made sense then for me and so I took advantage of it.

>Daniel W. Woycke             |"I went out drinking with Thomas 
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Newsgroups: dc.driving
From: woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke)
Newsgroups: dc.driving
Subject: Re: Missing the point (was Re: Dulles Toll Road, HOV, and Air Pollution)
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:09:49 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <1992Sep15.135520.23409@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.202832.17114@linus.mitre.org> woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep11.165834.6721@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep10.134253.22715@linus.mitre.org> woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke) writes:
>
>Are you saying that you don't want to spend a little more money on
>a car so that you can have a less polluting car?  Dan, I'm suprised
>and shocked! :)
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No, I am not saying that. What I was saying is that there are some
people out there who do not earn a "living wage" and so buy whatever
car they can afford. If it happens to pollute, so what. I understand
this line of thinking since we don't have an adequate mass transit
system.

I think you don't realize that even if we did have an adequate mass
transit system the inertia of the single occupant car will continue.
People do not care about the environment unless it doesn't cause them
inconvinience (or maybe too much inconvinience).  We now all recycle
like good boys and girls, but we still pollute in order of leaving for
work when we want to. It won't matter to any of those folks on the two
lanes of the toll road. They don't care whether they pollute or save
money. All they care about is having their car so they don't have to
sacrifice 30 minutes to carpool. (which they loose in congestion).

John, if the Sterling Commuter Bus started running to Tyson's Corner
would you take it when time would allow?

Thank You,

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From: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Newsgroups: dc.driving
Subject: Re: HOV and why it shouldn't be!
Date: 12 Sep 92 13:55:38 GMT
Reply-To: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NavSurfWarCen, CarderockDiv (ex-"Taylor Model Basin")

In dc.driving, mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill) writes:
>
>This HOV-3 thing works great.  Maybe it should be instituted
>on the Beltway as well.

    Don't be so short-sighted Lair, It would be completely possible
to engineer cars so they wouldn't start unless three or more persons
were inside, with their seatbelts fastened, and their brain wave monitors
were reporting that all were thinking "Happy Happy, Joy Joy", "I shalt
not Speed", etc.

>Happy Motoring!
Definitely!!
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From: frank@odetics.com (Frank Merrow)
Subject: Data Processing Management Association (DMPA)
Organization: Odetics, Inc., Anaheim, CA
Distribution: oc
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 22:10:06 GMT

Hi,

I am trying to get a hold of the Orange County DMPA chapter.  I called
the number in the phone book (647-1617), but all I get is a "generic
mailbox answer" (like maybe they didn't pay their bill) and then
even if I do leave a message I don't get a call back.

Does anyone out there have a current phone number?  I will accept
ANY Southern California Chapter's number, I just want to get some
information from them.

Frank
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Xref: sparky oc.general:82 la.general:690 rec.music.gdead:16637
From: mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey)
Subject: Live Grateful Dead Music
Newsgroups: oc.general,la.general,rec.music.gdead
Date: 16 Sep 92 03:41:49 GMT
Distribution: ca


Live Grateful Dead music:

If you're interested:

Cubensis is a Dead cover band. They play every Sunday night at 9:00pm
at the Marina Del Rey Red Onion, located at 4215 Admirality Way, 21+.

Sept 25       Heritage Brewing Company, Dana Point (714) 240-2060.
              8:00pm.

Sept 27       Hemp Rally - Westwood Federal Building, 11000 Wilshire,
              L.A., there's a pancake breakfast at 10am, music at noon.

For further information: (310) 973-DEAD

Peace to us all.
Newsgroups: oc.general,la.general,ca.general,comp.unix.admin,misc.misc
From: terry@pride386.PP.COM (Terry Lyons)
Subject: unix users meeting
Organization: Pride Plastics, Inc.
Distribution: oc
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:14:02 GMT


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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Happy Labor Day
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 13:03:26 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

Yeah, once a month... Sounds good to me!
Leah

 

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From: John.Blumer@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Blumer)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: veterinarian recommendation needed
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:44:38 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

I have been taking my two cats and two dogs to the Madison Vet clinc 
for over six years now and in my opinion they are pretty good, although 
a little pricey. I had one dog spade there and one cat had surgey 
for a bad knee, other than that just the routine stuff done there.



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Newsgroups: ingr.forsale,hsv.general
From: duane@capalo.ingr.com (Duane McBride)
Subject: Land for sale (5 acres) in Huntsville
Keywords: Land Huntsville
Organization: Intergraph, Palo Alto, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:44:46 GMT

Land for sale: 5 acres in NW Huntsville atop Drake Mtn. on Juniper Dr. off
Pulaski Pike.  All heavily wooded, view towards NE, access road, passed
perk test.  Great place for those who want privacy and enjoy trees. Call
me if your interested and I'll send a map.

Duane McBride
152 G St.
Fremont, CA 94536
(415) 813-3923 (w)
duane@capalo.capalo.ingr.com
 
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From: crossgl@infonode.ingr.com (Gordon Cross)
Subject: Re: BUSH IS A NEO_NAZI! AND A LIAR
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:21:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.165741.12000@b8.b8.ingr.com> larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings) writes:

>> >I am against all methods of taking away the Bill of Rights.
>> 
>> ... you mean like the *Republicans* "war on drugs"???
>
>Give me a paragraph number where The Bill of Rights says "You have the right
>to committ CRIMES.  It was not in the copy I read in school!!!

Regardless of whether or not you think the government has the authority to
regulate drugs (I say that the 10th amendment says it does not); I am talking
about seizures of people's property *without due process of law* (no trial
and hence presumption of guilt) WHICH IS IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE 5TH
AMENDMENT!!!!!
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From: Dee.Gardner@p0.f16.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dee Gardner)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Happy Labor Day
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 19:25:38 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/16.0 - The D.L.D. BBS, Huntsville AL

 > I love you   I Hate you syndrome? Humm, I'll check with
 > my
 > husband to see if he's ever heard of that... Let you know
 > what
 
Just for the record Leah, my ex never had to put up with that during the 9 mths I was pregnant with Caroline.  8-)
 
D 


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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Happy Labor Day
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 13:04:32 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

I love you   I Hate you syndrome? Humm, I'll check with my
husband to see if he's ever heard of that... Let you know what
he says.
Leah

 

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From: John.Emmert@f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Interesting statistic!
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 09:32:43 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

In a message of <Sep 04 16:17>, Tim Aumann (1:373/12) writes: 


 >A congressman (person?) is anyone in the Congress of the US - House of
 >Representatives or Senate. A Representative sits in the House, and a
 >Senator sits in the Senate. Both are in Congress.

Common usage has a representative from the house called a "congressman". Al 
Gore is a member of the senate, hence called a "senator". The list he gave 
was for "congressmen" and did not include any "senators".
 



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From: Robert.Wood@f17.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Robert Wood)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Libertairians/Republicans
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 23:26:39 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/17 - NASAU Beach CBIS, Huntsville AL

-> The other point I'd like to address is party affilliation. There 
-> is also a Communist Party (even here in Al. they were on the 
-> ballot last presidential election), The Libertairians can not win 
-> until they get serious. They come out and say "we don't expect to 
-> win, but we are going to run anyway". I am voting for Andre Marou (
-> sp) because he has the BEST danged plan for change I have heard 
-> yet!


     I don't know why the Libs even bother to waste money on any presidential campaign.  The should concentrate almost all their effort on State and National Congressional races, things they can acutally win.  At least at the national level, there is a fair amount of disgust in both houses of Congress, but how much has been said about Lib candidates for those positions?  Not much in the mass media (the only way people are actually going to be reached).

     I honestly don't know if there are even candidates in Alabama.  This is where the focus should be.  Even more so at the local level.

REW



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From: John.Emmert@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Condoms
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 10:51:33 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

 > If you want I'll call Mrs DeSanta (my school nurse) and
 > ask her
 > if she could explain the facts of life to you. OK!?
 
Only if she's good looking, single, and demonstrates in person. 



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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: To Larry Billings TAXES
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 11:13:09 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

Who told you County Taxes are 7% Tell them they are wrong--UNLESS 
you live in Madison which has it's own city tax.
 
Try Don Johnson Insurance in Ardmore for Homeowners.
Go to an independent Insurer for Auto.
Leah



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From: Dee.Gardner@p0.f16.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dee Gardner)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: Happy Labor Day
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 10:30:59 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/16.0 - The D.L.D. BBS, Huntsville AL

Good point Leah.  Yes, we definitely do have the worse end of the 
childbirth deal.  Not only the initial childbirth, but healing up 
after.  I've been told that Mon. is our day "off" from chores of any 
kind - I was going to have a "how to PROPERLY clean up the closet" 
session with my daughter.  I get to reschedule it to a later date.
 
Maybe we should have Labor Day once a month - minimum!
 
D 



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From: Robert.Follis@f14.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Robert Follis)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Slick Willie May Have Done It!
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:47:16 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/14 - The Aviation BBS, Meridianville AL

`Slick Willie may have done it. Done what you you ask. 
He may have gotten the American people to buy into his wagon load of bull.

I can't believe people a buying this crap. Clinton (oops) Slick Willie is nothing more than a die-hard libral and is keeping it under wraps very well. He knows just what to say to get the short sighted, mush minded among us to buy it. Willie ain't nothin more than a Jimmy Carter cloan or clown. Take your pick.

I can't wait to get back to the days of 20% inflation, super high unemployement and 21% interest rates.

Damn those were the good ole' days......

Hope none of you SW voters out there plan on buying a home in the next 4 years.

rwn


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From: Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: KSLW06
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 23:31:15 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2.0 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

The header is your turn.
Leah



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From: Robert.Wood@f17.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Robert Wood)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Re: BUSH IS A NEO_NAZI! AND A LIAR
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 23:20:35 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/17 - NASAU Beach CBIS, Huntsville AL

-> All I'm saying is that Bush/Reagan sort of "got the ball rolling" 
-> by turning it into a campaign issue.  In fact, Reagan is the first 
-> person I remember uttering the words "war on drugs."  The Demos, 
-> not being stupid by any means, jumped on the bandwagon as well - 
-> with a scared public, they would have appeared "soft" on crime not 
-> to (remember that tactic from Bush vs. Dukasis?)  [I bet I didn't 
-> spell that right...]


    It would not have been an issue if people hadn't thought it important.  Are you saying that there wasn't a problem until RR used the term "war on drugs" and made it a campaign issue???? :-)


REW



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From: doug@jhawk.b30.ingr.com (Doug Bradley)
Subject: Body shop recommendations?
Reply-To: doug@jhawk.b30.ingr.com.
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:35:33 GMT

Any recommendations pro/con on area (hsv, athens, decatur) body shops?

I need to get my car painted and some very minor dings undinged, and
want something better than Earl whatshisname's 99.95 special.

TIA,  doug
Newsgroups: hsv.general
From: crossgl@infonode.ingr.com (Gordon Cross)
Subject: Re: Libertairians/Republicans
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:44:12 GMT

In article <5773.2AA7ABC1@umagic.FIDONET.ORG> Leah.Wesolowski@p0.f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Leah Wesolowski) writes:

>As a Professor once said to me, if you want to win a race you have 
>to get in a race car.

True.

>Libertairianism is my basic philosophy however YOU are not going to 
>sit there and place the War on Drugs squarely on the shoulders of 
>the Party (which I am a member) THe GOP.

I'm sorry but most of the scare tactic retoric I've been hearing vis-a-vis
drugs has been coming from the top of the Republican mountain (of course you
are right that the Demos are just as guilty).  By the way, did you know that
Carter is the only highly-placed politician ever to suggest that we should
legalize marijuana??

>  Without the Majority led (DEMOCRATIC) congress we would not have 
>such BS laws as the confiscation laws et. al.

I'm not sure I'd believe that - the Republicans have historically been very
active in the "legislate morality" camp; of which the drugs issue is a
member.

>  Without the idiotic hand out programs we would no be working from 
>Jan 1 to May 6 just to pay our taxes.

True.

{stuff about sex ed, condoms, etc in schools deleted}

While I do not believe that we should *force* sex-ed (or anything else for that
matter) to be taught in public schools, I also say that we should not prohibit
it either.  The education of our children should be exclusively in the domain
of parents.  The government has no business operating in this area.

>Leah "From Toney" Wesolowski the Conservative Republican/Libertairian.

By the way, Leah, I am currently planning on giving you my vote ...
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From: John.Emmert@f2.n373.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Emmert)
Newsgroups: hsv.general
Subject: Condoms
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 08:27:43 CDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:373/2 - Gateway, Huntsville AL

In a message of <Sep 12 11:19>, Leah Wesolowski (1:373/2) writes: 


 >  They toss out replicas of the penis (dildos) to the High School 
 >girls and condoms and show them the "proper way" to put the condom on 
 >the plastic penis. They advocate the use of condoms, make it a real 
 >"FUN" class...and the result is THE HIGHEST RATE of teenage pregnancy 
 >in the US at that HIGH SCHOOL!

A condom isn't of any use if it isn't used properly.

 >I advocate the sex ed program like the one I took when I was in 
 >school.
 >There were two nights, one for mothers & Daughters, one for Father's 
 >and Sons. THe school nurse presented the program (this was in 6th 
 >grade) and explained the menstral cycle and sex...

That would be fine for you, but what about me?



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