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From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman)
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:50:11 GMT

In article <18611@mindlink.bc.ca> Peter_Stockhausen@mindlink.bc.ca (Peter Stockhausen) writes:
>> Eric S. Perlman writes:
>>
>> Msg-ID: <1992Dec16.182332.2727@colorado.edu>
>> Posted: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:23:3
>>
>> Org.  : University of Colorado, Boulder
>>
>> In article <1992Dec16.011130.26210@penet.fi> an1595@anon.penet.fi writes:
>> >GM Fischer indicted!
>> >Arrest warrant issued!!
>> >
>> >Should U.S. chessplayers
>> >lobby outgoing President Bush
>> >for an executive pardon???
>>
>> NO.  Absolutely not.  Bobby Fischer may be a great chessplayer, but he's
>> a despicable person.  Let the system work.
>>
>> --
>> "How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other
>> sport
>> A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim
>> Rice,"Chess"
>>      Eric S. Perlman                             <perlman@qso.colorado.edu>
>>   Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado,
>> Boulder
>
>Just as it worked for Richard Nixon???
>Peter
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By pardoning Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford didn't let the system work in
that case, either.  I think that decision was also wrong.

-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman 				 <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
From: dubach1@husc10.harvard.edu (joev dubach)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: A warrant issued for Bobby Fischer's arrest.
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:10:37 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA

Just saw it on the news.  Now, to the question, "If the UN prohibited 
going to New York, would you ignore them?"  Answer: not if they could
get the U.S. to throw me in jail.

Joev
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From: hmb@netcom.com (Hal Bogner)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Chess program for IBM PC
Date: 15 Dec 92 05:34:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <00000000@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au> patrick.mcdonald@f605.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Patrick McDonald) writes:
>Original to: Hoangn@Ios.Convergent.Com
>Hi there, Hoangn@Ios.Convergent.Com. On Dec 02, you wrote:
>
> -}question I have is this: What is the strongest and fastest chess 
> -}program for IBMcomputer? Any info is appreciated.
>
>According to Larry Kaufman's COMPUTER CHESS REPORTS . . . MCHESS PRO, which
>requires at least a 286. Otherwise . . . the ordinary MCHESS. Both are rated
>above 2400 (USCF).
>
>                                 Patrick 
>
>--- msged 2.07
> * Origin: ~\SHORTWAVE POSSUMS/~  DURAL, NSW, AUSTRALIA   (3:713/605)

I always enjoy reading about these testimonies to the strength of yet-untried
software.  When ICD's advertising came out, MChess Pro wasn't out.  So how 
did Larry know its strength?

Anyway, the important thing is getting everyone to buy it; testing it can be
done by the rest of us (at home) later!

-Hal
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: 928s4@leland.Stanford.EDU (Benjamin Sloss)
Subject: Re: Chess Problem Question
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:38:44 GMT

douglasy@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Douglas W. Yee) writes:
>
>
>A month ago, I spotted one of Ed Maillet's "To Play and Win" problems 
>in _Chess Bits_.  Since I was not able to solve the problem, I 
>eagerly awaited the answer which was posted a couple days ago.  The
>original problem was as follows:
>
>>  White: Ra1 Rf1 Kg1 Pa2 Pb2 Pc2
>>         Pf2 Pg2 Ph2 Qb3 Bc3 Pg7
>>
>>  Black: Bc6 Qe6 Pf6 Pa7 Pb7 Pc7
>>         Ph7 Kb8 Re8 Rg8
>>
>>       Black to play. Mate in 6
>My question is what is the continuation for:
>
>   1. Qe6-h3    Pf2-f3
>   2. Rg8xg7    Pg2-g3

 after 	1. .. Qh3
	2. f3 Rxg7
	3. g3 Re2

White's fate is sealed:
	4. Rf2  Rxg3+
	5. hxg3 Qxg3+
	6. Kh1  Bxf3+
	7. Rxf3 Qg2++

>Douglas Yee
>douglasy@intrepid.sps.mot.com

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From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM'S AT CHESS CHOW/CHESS LIFE
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:51:15 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <33880@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>, mginsbur@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Mark Ginsburg) writes:
> DMC, just curious:  have you read the article by GM Benjamin? 
> 
> Perhaps there are other GMs who have also offended you?
> 
> -XYZ

What relevance would that have to THIS discussion? (Besides to further confuse
the isses?)

DMC
From: jeff@econBerkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:27:53 GMT
Organization: Econometrics Laboratory, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: emily5.berkeley.edu

Will everyone please just ignore this DMC dude and trust that with nobody to
annoy he'll just go away.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++|+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jeff Ely                         |    "He said the Sun's not yellow...  
Department of Economics          |     It's Chicken!" 
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From: kurtovic@gold.cchem.berkeley.edu (Zoran Kurtovic)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: The Serbs are free to imprison or kill Fischer
Date: 20 Dec 1992 00:00:01 GMT
Organization: Dept of Chemistry, University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: gold.cchem.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec18.210547.7491@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> watsonb@alcohol.ecn.purdue.edu (Bradley S Watson) writes:
>Greg Kuperberg writes:
>>I was thinking this morning about Fischer's situation.  His problems
>
>      [SOME STUFF DELETED]
> 
>>BTW:  It's not true that more people died in New York this year
>>than were killed by the Serbs in Bosnia.
>
>Of course. That's why DMC claimed that more people were murdered in New York
>during the match than in "Yugoslavia."  Since "Yugoslavia" now only
>consists of Serbia and Montenegro and not Bosnia or Croatia, his
>statement may be technically true.  

I wouldn't bet on it buddy!  The number of homicides per year in New
York City is on the order of 1500.  So during the two months of the
match, that's about 250.

As far as "Yugoslavia" don't forget that it still includes a bunch of
minorities who are being abused.  In Kosovo (province in Serbia) there
are 2 million ethnic Albanians who are facing more and more harassment.
There are many Muslims living just over the border with Bosnia and every
once in a while some of them disappear.  And the Croats and Hungarians
in Vojvodina have been in grave danger.  (Vojvodina is also a province
in Serbia.)  Don't forget that there are a lot of militia groups that
have returned to Serbia to sell stuff they looted in the war zones.
Organized crime in Serbia is on the rise.  The has been an increase in
murders in Belgrade.  Opposition political parties have had offices
bombed and there is uncertainty for any body living in Serbia who
openly challenges the government.

So I wouldn't just worry about Fisher, I'd worry about Panic too.  By
the way, if you don't know who Panic is, stick to chess and stop
dabbling in politics.

To answer whether Fisher should be indicted or not, I wonder what the
people of Sarajevo would have to say.  Responses that he didn't do
anything wrong miss the point.  Sure he has the right to play chess
but he doesn't have the right to exploit the war and make money off of
it.  Why do you think some shady Serbian offered all that money to have
Fisher play?  During the match, some newspapers devoted more space to
the results of the games than to the war in Bosnia.  It was worth every
dollar for the positive press.  By the way, the guy who offered the money
is running for the presidency of Serbia.  How much money did Ross Perot
pay to get press coverage?  

Fisher got himself into this mess and was warned.  He deserves what he
gets.

Zoran


> 
>      [MORE STUFF DELETED]
>
>Bradley
From: sharring@cs.tamu.edu (Steven L Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: nicbase ascii import?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 13:27:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: photon.tamu.edu


I have nicbase 2.0 and was wondering if anyone out in netland
knows whether there is a way to import ascii games into the
database. In other words, is anyone out there aware of
a program which would convert ascii data into the proprietary
nicbase game file format?

Thanks, Steve Harrington
	Texas A&M University
	ICS::cowboy
From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:53:57 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <18611@mindlink.bc.ca>, Peter_Stockhausen@mindlink.bc.ca (Peter Stockhausen) writes:
>> Eric S. Perlman writes:
>>
>> Msg-ID: <1992Dec16.182332.2727@colorado.edu>
>> Posted: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:23:3
>>
>> Org.  : University of Colorado, Boulder
>>
>> In article <1992Dec16.011130.26210@penet.fi> an1595@anon.penet.fi writes:
>> >GM Fischer indicted!
>> >Arrest warrant issued!!
>> >
>> >Should U.S. chessplayers
>> >lobby outgoing President Bush
>> >for an executive pardon???
>>
>> NO.  Absolutely not.  Bobby Fischer may be a great chessplayer, but he's
>> a despicable person.  Let the system work.
>>
>> --
>> "How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other
>> sport
>> A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim
>> Rice,"Chess"
>>      Eric S. Perlman                             <perlman@qso.colorado.edu>
>>   Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado,
>> Boulder
> 
> Just as it worked for Richard Nixon???
> Peter
> --

You'r forgetting, nixon tried to hoodwink the entire US, Fischer played
Chess...

Hmmm, why did Nixon get off?
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Interzonal
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:04:29 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

A few questions about the Interzonal tournament (seeing as the current
US Championship is a Zonal tournament):

1. Does anybody know the rational behind the decision to make the
Interzonal a Swiss instead of a round-robin?

2. How many of you think the Interzonal should become round-robin
again?

3. Do you think that it's become easier to make it throught the
interzonals now that the number of games in them has decreased?  If I
remember correctly, in the '70s there were 20 players in each
interzonal.

Feel free to respond on the net -- I'm sure we can get a vigorous
discussion going!

Also feel free to bring up other questions you have regarding
interzonals!

--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have known it would be bad vodka when all the label said was
'Russian Vodka'."
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: bereolos@ether.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter J Bereolos)
Subject: Shirazi
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:53:44 GMT

I seem to recall that Shirazi had a very poor score the last time he played in
the US Championship.  Something like 0.5-14.5.  Maybe someone with this
information could post the exact numbers.  Among the losses was the following
5 mover to Jack Peters:

White: Shirazi 
Black: Peters
1. e4 c5 2. b4 cb 3. a3 d5 4. ed Qd5 5. ab Qe5+ 0-1

At least he stands a good chance of getting 1/2 point if he wants it against
I. Ivanov 8-).

Pete
bereolos@ecn.purdue.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Fischer to play Ljubojevic
From: fry@zariski.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:01:12 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard Math Department


A Belgrade daily newspaper is reporting that Jezdimir Vasiljevic, the
man who sponsored the Fischer-Spassky match and is now a candidate for
president of Serbia, has agreed to sponsor a match between Fischer and
Ljubomir Ljubojevic to be played next March.  The games will be split
between Belgrade and either Linares or Madrid.

David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.edu
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: This has gone far enough! Stop avoiding
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:49:10 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group


Now that would have shown some real class and been really cool all the
way around for Fischer.  I guess that's why he didn't do it.

	Jason
	Worst Chessplayer In The West Yee-Haw
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: TO THE GM's/IM's FROM DON
Date: 20 Dec 1992 07:46:41 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
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Originator: goldfarb@tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Dec17.184754.542@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
)...what do I have to do? Argue Fischer played well before asking the GMs
)to say why they believe he played poorly?

	Yes. Joel Benjamin, in his article, produced several examples
of Fischer's play that he felt were bad. If you want to claim that
Benjamin was wrong and Fischer actually played well, you must either
a) produce examples of good play by Fischer that Benjamin unjustly
neglected, or b) argue with Benjamin's analysis, showing that what he
thought was bad play was actually good. It would be better still if you
did both.

	In weeks of arguing, you have done neither. If you really want
to claim that Fischer is the best in the world, you must address
Benjamin's arguments that he is not -- or you must resign yourself
to not being taken seriously. 

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Subject: Chess as art
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:07:51 GMT

If Fischer uses the defense that chess is a form of artistic impression, does
this mean there will be expert evidence as to whether the games in his recent
match with Spassky were artistic?

Finally - a use for all the discussions on the net!
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:05:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.003448.17797@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> cuffell@spot.Colorado.EDU (CUFFELL TIMOTHY MICH) writes:
>[valid arguments deleted]

>                Nomany Somolians (or Bosnians) in the Candidates cycle
>this time 'round, were there?
>

I must correct you here. Predrag Nikolic was in the Candidates matches in this
cycle. I assume at least he and Ivan Sokolov should be in the next Interzonal.

	Sven

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards)
Subject: Temporal Chess (was: 3-D chess)
Reply-To: sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN, Worldwide Information Systems, Billerica, Mass., USA
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:47:15

In article <1992Dec18.000509.29078@raven.alaska.edu> fsmgs@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (Michael Schmahl [Black-Robe Mage]) writes:
> Has anyone experimented or invented a chess game where the pieces have
> the ability to move through time in any way?

Yes.

I developed a time travel version of 8 x 8 chess some years ago.  I
call it "Temporal Chess" and its structure is modeled on the system
used by Isaac Asimov in his 1955 science fiction novel _The End of
Eternity_.  In Temporal Chess, as in the novel, all of the playing
fields ("Centuries" in the book) thoughout Time may be accessed
"simultaneously" by players ("Eternals" in the book) who exist outside
of Time.  A Change induced in an early playing field may affect all
succeeding playing fields.  Pieces removed from Time in one field may
be reintroduced in another.

A computer is needed for playing the game because of the large amount
of bookkeeping required.

I know of only one other game that had a concise set of rules for time
travel; this is the 1970's simulation game _Sorcerer_ by Strategic
Publications, Inc.  It allowed players to have time travel spell
capabilities to allow a replaying of an earlier Game Turn.

 [The above opinions expressed are my own; not necessarily held by others.]
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Subject: Re: FISCHER-SPASSKY II BOOKS - Seirawan book
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:49:31 GMT

Actually, Seirawan's book on the match ("No Regrets") is quite
objective in its annotations, although some of Yasser's logic
(such as agreeing that Fischer is still "World Champion") escapes
me.  His portrait of Fischer as a person is based on his meetings
with Fischer, and makes interesting reading.

Any pro-Fischer bias is balanced by an equal "pro-Spassky" bias
(Seirawan has a high opinion of the abilities of both players),
as well as by many interviews with GMs who hold a variety of
views on the caliber of play in the match.

The book resembles "Five Crowns" (his book on the last Kasparov-
Karpov match), and while the level of play might have been higher
in that match, the quality of annotations is very high in both
books.

Those posters who keep demanding to know why people say Fischer
didn't play all that well will find out in this book, from a
commentator who is clearly not jealous or bitter with respect to
Fischer.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: TONIGHT SHOW Chess
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:58:30 GMT

506-5054%wwiv@tweekco.uucp (Craig Jefferies #506 @5054) writes:

>I just caught part of NBC's The Tonight Show with Jan Leno.  I
>missed the introduction of the young guest, but I think they said
>his name is Corey Evans?  Anyway, he is a 5-year old chessplayer
>who talked with Leno about chess.  The child mentioned that both
>of his parents were world-class chessplayers themselves at one
>time (Is he somehow related to GM Larry Evans?)
> 
>Anyway, they also arranged for one of the writers to play a game
>with the youngster.  They didn't show much of the game...they
>occasionally went to the game (backstage) before commercial breaks
>between guests.  The writer mostly played it for laughs (tieing the
>kid up to his chair with ropes), playing an extra piece when he
>told the kid to look away, etc.  I believe the writer said that the
>youngster opened with the Evans Gambit--with which he (the writer)
>was unfamiliar.

>Anyone else catch this appearance?


Yup.  The kid had the intelligence and knowledge of a 9- or 10-year old. 
I couldn't believe he was only 5!
From: dubach1@husc10.harvard.edu (joev dubach)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Pardon Fischer?
Date: 19 Dec 92 09:52:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.DUBACH1.92Dec19015209
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu's message of 18 Dec 92 13:25:20 EST

In article <1992Dec18.132520.549@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

   In article <18654@mindlink.bc.ca>, Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper) writes:
   > Mr. Cosgrove writes (inter alia):
   > 
   > "Sure, he violated a statute which is unjust in itself. That is as insane as
   > Khomeni saying Reshdee violated islamic law by writing his book while in
   > England and placing a bounty on Rishdee's head. When Iran does it, the world
   > laughs because the arabs are too uncivilized to see that their laws do nto
   > extend beyond their borders. When the US does it, you back them 100 percent."
   > 
   > 
   > Apart from the misspellings, Iranians are not Arabs.  But I'm sure we'll have
   > an argument that they are.
   > 
   > But, hey, I'm willing to concede that Mr. Cosgrove's legal expertise is as
   > convincing as his chess expertise and wind up this whole thread.  Then
   > everyone can have a Merry Christmas and wait for the Short-Timman match.
   > 
   > Well, have a Merry Christmas anyway!

   Hey Bruce, this is the lamest attempt I have seen in this group to
   weasel out of the issues raised in a post. As you appear unable to
   see the obvious, I'll have to make it plain enough so that Ray Charles
   could see it:

   How is the US claim, that it can enact laws which attempt to exercise control
   over people outside of its territories, any different than the Iranian claim
   that it can pass judgment on Salman Rushdie for writing a book while he was in
   Great Britain?

   I eagerly await a mature response which addresses these questions...

   DMC

Bobby Fischer is a U.S. citizen.  He is thus subject to U.S. law.
Salman Rushdie is not an Iranian citizen.

Joev
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From: selee@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lee Say Eng)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 09:51:58 GMT
Subject: USCF Rating
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server