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From: nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup)
Subject: sources for Code of Federal Regulations
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:57:36 GMT

Our organization needs to order the current Code of Federal Regulations.
Last year we ordered it via the GPO and it was all goofed up.
Can anyone recommend any other sources of CFRs with good service?
Thanks.


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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:41:17 EDT
From:         Bonnie Turner <turner%bradley.bradley.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Russian copy of The Art of War
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
A colleague has received a request from a faculty member for a copy
of Sun Tzu's The Art of War in Russian.  We have not been able to
find anything (searched EPIC, BPI, several internet accessible library
catalogs.  Does anyone have any useful suggestions for us??  (Purchased
or borrowed).
Thanks

--
Bonnie L. Turner
Reference/Collection Development Librarian
Cullom-Davis Library
Bradley University
Peoria, IL 61625
309-677-2847
turner@bradley.bradley.edu
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:56:23 EDT
From:         "Sharyn Ladner, Business Librarian,
              University of Miami Richter Library" <SLADNER@UMIAMI.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Campbell's Shaking the Conceptual . . .
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Mark Emmons, a self-described inexperienced and naive reference librarian,
couldn't have said it better --he articulated my thoughts exactly
Campbell's article on reference service.  In fact, his comments made
me realize why I didn't make a personal copy of the article int he
first place when that issue of RSR was routed to me:  Campbell had
so completely misunderstood reference service that his suggestions
for "modernizing" reference were not worth saving. I would, however,
go one step farther than Mark and suggest that it is imperative for
reference librarians to take the lead in applying electronic
technologies to patron/client service -- otherwise we will have to
put up with electronic "fixes" imposed by technocrats to problems
that weren't there in the first place. And in fact we are already
doing this -- for evidence just search the archives of LIBREF-L.

Thanks, Mark, for some cogent comments!

Sharyn Ladner
Business REFERENCE Librarian
University of Miami (FL)
sladner@umiami.ir.miami.edu
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 10:26:35 EDT
From:         Linda Fortney <LIBLINDA%MONTCOLA.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject: Re: Public Librarians???
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              <pandersn%silver.sdsmt.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
  Patty, I have worked in both public and academic libraries and agree
wholeheartedly with you.  In essence the jobs are the same and we will
all benefit from sharing information.
   We all also need to learn the fine art of subject scanning on e mail
lists and deleting those job notices or discussions of tools we'll never
afford to own before reading them.

Linda Fortney
Liblinda@montcola.bitnet
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From:         "(Patricia M. Andersen)"
              <pandersn%silver.sdsmt.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject: Re: Public Librarians???
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Hi

I'm not a public librarian but I'm a little worried about separating the
two apart.  I know that reference issues can be very different between a
public library and an academic, but I learn a lot when getting both points
of view.  Some of my best ideas or "AHA"'s come from discussions with our
local public library staff.  Please don't make two separate groups out of
this, I like the total exchange of information.

Patty


Patty Andersen
Head/Public Information Services
Devereaux Library, SDSM&T
pandersn@silver.sdsmt.edu
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From:         ACADMARG%STMARYTX.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Re: Full text source for NAFTA
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Ellen -

You can FTP the full text of NAFTA from ariel.unm.edu in the pub/nafta
directory.

Margaret Sylvia
St. Mary's University Academic Library
San Antonio, TX
acadmarg@stmarytx.bitnet
acadmarg@vax.stmarytx.edu
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:25:43 EDT
From:         "SV#3000_V. Rani Sinha" <SV#3%LAFAYACS.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Some general observations
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I appreciate this opportunity to read news and views from colleagues
worldwide.  I am one of those perusers who rarely corresponds.  As a new
subscriber who joined within the past month, allow me to offer my
impressions of this discussion group.  I have learned more about
Internet, as well as what seems to be of interest to regular writers.  I
confess to some surprise at issues which seem to hold the attention of
many writers for extended periods of time.

I derive pleasure from my profession, chiefly because it allows me not
to become parochial.  I must be aware, at least at a general level, of
what is happening in our society and larger world politically,
intellectually, technologically, etc., etc.  If I can assist library
users to become informed and discerning in whatever investigation they
happen to be engaged with, I feel I have done my job.

That is also my chief motive for subscribing to this discussion list,
presumably to communicate with like-minded librarians.  With all due
respect to those who are certainly more diligent writers than I, please
allow me to express my disappointment by the lack of more general
questions facing us as librarians and members at-large of our society.

I am concerned, for example, by our dependence upon commercial vendors
for electronic data and the proclivity of said vendors to shrink
backfiles, especially in the humanities and social sciences.  Why are
there no databases for anthropology?  What is to be our involvement in
building an "information infrastructure" for North America, keeping in
mind that many, many other nations have made substantial commitments
in education and technology to do this?  Why are there no periodical
indexes, even in paper, for periodicals from developing countries?

If any of my fellow-readers care about these and similar issues, I
would be eager to hear their thoughts and experiences.

V. Rani Sinha, Coordinator for B.I., Lafayette College
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From:         "Christine M. Darby" <cmdarby%oswego.Oswego.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Non-participants
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Okay..this one is good comment.  Yes I know my editorial underwear were
showing in the ndsu posting.  Cheers!  Diane Editor-This-Week
----------------------------Original message----------------------------

My two cents:

Following the discussion the past few days on non-participating
participants,ie lurkers, shadows, wallflowers, ROM members I decided to
respond.  I am one of those who rarely speaks up because ....

- I often find there is so much discussion on things like this, ie,
"labeling" people, that I toss many related messaages.  I don't have
the time, mine or my employers, to read AND respond to untold numbers of
messages, especially being on several lists, professional and personal.

- Often many people have  already said what I might say.

- Whether I agree or disagree I like to be able to support my comments.
Messages which take time to generate I do at home, on the weekends.  Often
by then the list has moved on to new topics.

- Relating specifically to identifying people who are less participatory,
why do they have to have a name or label.  All of the suggested terms do
have connotations which can be interpreted negatively, as is often the
case with labels.  A word or two more to describe what one means doesn't
take that long to enter, saves others from trying to determine what's
meant and just generally makes reading easier, more interesting and might
help to reduce the traffic.

Chris Darby
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From:         "Carol J. Richards" <RICHARCJ%SNYBUFVA.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: patron access to internet
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Jackie,

Please post the results of your query about patron access to the internet.  I
am sure that many libraries would be interested.

Carol

                           ******************

Carol J. Richards                   Voice:      716-878-6336
Head of Information Services        Fax:        716-878-3163
E. H. Butler Library                BITNET:     Richarcj@snybufva
SUNY College at Buffalo             Internet:   Richarcj@snybufva.cs.snybuf.edu
1300 Elmwood Avenue
Buffalo, NY  14222-1095
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Date: 5 Nov 92 22:16:31 GMT
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        The jobs are very much the same!  Take it from a former public
library reference librarian/director.  BI still must take place for
those who are unfamiliar with the library.  AND the scope of assistance
can range from simple factual answers to the indepth search till you
drop research.

Julie Livingston
Ed. Resources
Ref. & Circ. Librn.
Ball State University
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:10:36 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Last Comments on Lurkers
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    If we really want to know the cause of "lurkers", I suggest the
    books and articles on "loveshyness" written by Brian G. Gilmartin.
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:23:50 EDT
From:         jacqueline van willigen <JVANW01%UKCC.uky.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: what criteria for reference sources?
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              3 Nov 1992 20:56:26 EDT from
              <zane_clark%csufresno.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Before I became a librarian, the reference department of the library continuall
y infuriated me.  Every new, good, useful, beautiful book was classified in ref
erence.  I was a young mother trying to keep up with my field, plan vacations,
take an art book home to read and was constantly stymied.  I think that if you
want a book in reference you shouldalso have one in the circulating collection.
Unless it is a true reference: expensive and factual and needed everyday.  Now
that I am in a working library, my reference books get checked out over night,
but I am in a high school, where my patrons are responsible for our things and
grateful to be trusted with the books.
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 21:38:45 EDT
From:         LIBRRTP%OSUCC.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Re: UMI newspaper indexes
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
MOLLY,

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT FOR A FEE UMI CAN CUSTOMIZE THE
NEWSPAPER ABSTRACTS FOR YOU.  YOU MIGHT WANT TO CALL THEIR SALES
PEOPLE AND ASK IF THEY STILL DO THIS, I KNOW THAT AS OF THE BEGGINING OF T
THE SPRING 92 THEY WERE STILL DOING IT.

RICH PAUSTENBAUGH
HEAD, SOCIAL SCIENCES DIV.
OKLAHOMA STATE UNIV.,
LIBRRTP@OSUCC
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:22:22 EDT
From:         EMERSON%GENESEO.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Re: FURNITURE
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
We are in the process of buying new reference and circulation desks.
Being part of a state system (SUNY), everything had to go out to bid,
and we were able to go with a local (Rochester, NY) firm because they
could customize our order and had the shortest turnaround time.  We had
extensive building renovations done over the summer, and had hoped to
have our new furniture when we were back in place in September.  Didn't
work that way, of course.

We were looking for:  1) wood furniture
                      2) durability/easy cleaning
                      3) wire control for computers, etc.
                      4) space for OPAC terminal, printer, keyboard
                      5) built-in storage for pens, papers, etc.
                      6) buil-in book shelves
                      7) handicapped access
                      8) task lighting for work surface

We identified suitable components in library furniture catalogs, the
showed them to the local manufacturer who came up with a workable
design which he's willing to amend as needed.  His cost is competitive,
and he can deliver in 4 to 6 weeks.  We had our choice of woods and
of counter-top surfaces.  I realize such an arrangement wouldn't't
be possible for everyone, but it's working well for us.
Debby Emerson
Monroe Community College
emerson@geneseo
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:30:00 EDT
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From:         "Thomas J. Klotzbach" <0003751365%mcimail.com@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      CD-ROM based periodical reference software that runs on VMS...
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Reply to klotzbtj@snybufva.cs.snybuf.edu as this is not really appropriate
for Libref-L.  Diane.
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
   I hope that someone can provide some assistance on the following issue.

   We currently have an 802.3 Ethernet LAN at our main campus to which several
terminal servers and two VAXen are connected.  We also have off-campus sites
that are running NetWare over 10BaseT.  Users at the remote sites can access the
VAXen on the main campus via a 56Kb line.

   The problem is that located at each of the off-campus sites is a PC/CD-ROM
unit that is dedicated to a software package called Infotrac.  We also have one
of these units located at the main campus.  What we would like to do is have one
PC/CD-ROM unit that runs Infotrac OR a VMS based alternative that utilize CD-ROM
that is connected to the 802.3 Ethernet LAN so that periodical searches can be
performed from one unit that is connected to the LAN.

    Does anyone know of such a solution?  If so, please contact me.  This has
the potential to save the college some money (hopefully)...

*******************************************************************************
Thomas J. Klotzbach                   MCI Mail: 375-1365
Genesee Community College             Internet: 3751365@mcimail.com
Batavia, NY 14020                               klotzbtj@snybufva.cs.snybuf.edu
                                      Work: (716) 343-0055 x358
From: HAMMEN@JOINER.COM (Faye Hammen)
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Hello Athman:

I am the Academic Accounts Manager at Wingra Technologies, Inc. in
Madison, WI.  We develop and market Jnet networking software products.
We do not give Jnet software away, but we do have special pricing for
academic/research institutes.

Please write back to me with your networking requirements for Jnet
software.  Be sure to include your mailing address so that I can mail
you product information.

Sincerely,

Faye Hammen
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From:         "Dennis Helsing, (509) 359-7080" <DHELSING@EWUVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Please forward to Faye Hammen

Hello Faye,

Received a copy of the msg you sent to Darren King@EWUVMS as follows...

Hello Athman:

I am the Academic Accounts Manager at Wingra Technologies, Inc. in
Madison, WI.  We develop and market Jnet networking software products.
We do not give Jnet software away, but we do have special pricing for
academic/research institutes.

Please write back to me with your networking requirements for Jnet
software.  Be sure to include your mailing address so that I can mail
you product information.

Sincerely,

Faye Hammen

Thanks for cc'ing me on this. I am not sure of Darren's request but can
clarify a few things.  Darren is a student here at EWU who has been granted
access to Bitnet.  Perhaps (again, I did not see his post) his msg was
misdirected.  I installed and maintain our VAX systems, i.e., postmaster,
chief cook and bottle washer.  We presently have 3 discrete VAX
systems but at this time there are no plans to connect them other than
a simple DECNet/TCP link.  If there were plans to do so, they would
originate from my office.  I've been very happy with the JNet software
since I installed it a few years ago in spite of the 600-900 point hit
that I took in upgrading from a VAX 6410 to 6510 ;-)  By the way, I have
submitted the paperwork for increasing our maintenance and it should
be completed soon.  Hope this clarifies a few things, I'll contact Darren
and see what's up, feel free to shoot him a copy of the info if you wish.
His address is.... DKING@EWUVMS.BITNET

Talk to you later,
Dennis Helsing
Systems Programmer III
Eastern Washington University                  It's all ones and zeros...
DHELSING@EWUVMS                                How tough can it be ?  DPH
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From:         "J.Lance Wilkinson, 814-865-1818" <JLW@PSULIAS.BITNET>
Subject:      JNET API question...
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A few months ago, documentation regarding the JNET API v3.5 arrived; dated
May 1991, I don't think it arived *that* long ago.  I remember when it did
arrive I was intrigued but at the time didn't have anything to do with it.

Now I do, but I don't think there's a function that will do what I need.

We have a user environment here that isolates our users from DCL completely.
We use VMS Mail, JNET, PMDF and so forth but our users are totally insulated
from DCL.  All access to MAIL and to the RECEIVE and SEND commands are through
this user interface of our own devising.  RECEIVEd files generally weren't a
problem until fairly recently.  Now they're cropping up with regularity and
our users are, apparently, ignoring the entreaties to use the LIAS SELECT
command (we've editted JAN_SYS:LOGIN to display a different message, one that
makes sense in the users' environment) and receive their files (to some extent,
since they've got no way to *access* the files afterwards (no EDITORS are made
available to them, except in VMS MAIL/SEND), I can almost agree with their lack
of interest in RECEving them...;-)

Our environment uses the VMS MAIL API to report if the user has outstanding NEW
MAIL messages.  I was hoping part of the JNET API would provide a count of
files waiting to be RECEIVED (rather than coding the overhead to search for the
files JAN_RECEIVE:xxx.RSC.*, where "xxx" is the user's identification).  So far
I don't see any such count.  I'm betting there isn't any quick,non-file-
counting way of doing this, but hope springs eternal.  Anybody have any
suggestions?

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