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From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: cradle cap
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:16:11 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <2A8D3481.E79@intercon.com> ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:

  Does anyone have information about other companies that offer kids (or
  other) products that they don't use animal testing for?  I agree with
  the sentiment that my shampoo shouldn't kill animals.  I worked in a
  pharmacy college.  I could tell you horror stories.

  Just another plug for Paul Mitchell, for adults with seborehic (sp)
  dermatitis (often like cradle cap sort of...) Tea Tree shampoo is
  great!  Not harsh like other "dandruff" shampoos, and does a good job!

NuSkin makes shampoos and kids versions that I love. Switching to
NuSkin shampoo for my daughter cleared up her recurring cradle cap.
They also don't do any animal testing.
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
=======================
I'm a mammal and proud of it!
From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Birth Annoucement #2 + Twin Info Request
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:38:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Aug14.173832.8863
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T




Way back when I had asked for information concerning twins for a friend of
mine.  Well, she had them on July 28th -- Alexa was 6 lbs, 5 oz at birth
and Miguel III was 5 lbs, 13 oz (and they were 3 weeks early!) .  The last I
talked to them, they were all doing fine.  I guess now they (excluding
Miguel Jr) have to learn how to nurse, since the twins want to eat every 2
hours and each wants to take 45 min to an hour to get their fill!  THEN
they'll take a couple of ounces of formula too .

[Andrea wants to nurse them, but they appear to be always hungry so she
supplements after nursing with formula -- to say the least, their hunger is
very tiring for her to deal with after the C-section.  When I talked with
her last week, she was planning on talking with a lactation consultant
about what to do, but if anyone has any suggestions, please let me know and
I'll pass the information on to her!]

	Karen
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Toddler beds and backpack carriers
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:35:27 GMT
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine

Can anyone recommend a good toddler bed and a backpack-type carrier (Gerry is
the obvious one that comes to mind) for a 14-month old?
From: amy@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Amy McNulty)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: microwaving breast milk
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:46:18 GMT

I saw this in the September '92 issue of "Health" magazine
and thought it might be of interest to misc.kidders....


Keep Baby's Milk out of the Microwave

Dallas -- Even when she's off working, a busy new mom can make sure her  
baby gets the benefits of breast milk by expressing and storing it. But  
it turns out that warming the milk in a microwave oven can destroy some  
of the very qualities that make mother's milk superior to forumula.

Doctors at Stanford University Hospital got worried when they noticed  
some nurses on the neonatal staff zapping frozen milk in a microwave;  
earlier studies had shown that freezing breast milk was fine, but that  
heating it to temperatures above 140 degrees F could neutralize the  
milk's infection-fighting immunoglobulin-A antibodies.

So gastroenterologist Richard Quan, who's now at the University of  
Texas Southwestern Medical Center, and his colleagues used a microwave  
to warm 22 samples of milk to temperatures averaging just 92.3 degrees  
F, close to body temperature. They found that the activity of one type  
of immunoglobulin-A antibody dropped by 79 percent. The activity of  
lysozymes, which help break down bacteria, diminished 19 percent.

Because microwaves heat unevenly, Quan says, small pockets of high heat  
may account for the results. Parents in a hurry can still use a  
microwave: Just heat some water to around 100 degrees F, then warm the  
bottle in the water.


______________________________________________________________
amy_mcnulty@vos.stratus.com  OR  amy@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Amy McNulty -- Stratus Computer, Marlboro, MA
Stratus pays me to write, but not to write this!
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Warming baby bottles
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:33:06 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments

In article <1079@ceylon.gte.com> vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.133329.7916@linus.mitre.org> 
>ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
>>      I believe the 'do not microwave' signs on the disposable bottles
>> are simply lawyer droppings to deal with idiots who over-microwave.
>> In that case, it's barely possible that the water/formula could
>> superheat, then flash into steam when disturbed.
>> 
>>                                                 Peter Trei
>>                                                 aka Suzy's daddy (24 
>mos).
>
>This is probably true, but I didn't notice the "do not microwave" warning 
>and, when I called Playtex to complain about the liners leaking, the woman I spoke with immediately asked whether I microwaved the bottle.  When I said "yes", she very nastily said, "we don't guarantee the liners if you microwave 
>them."  Gee, sorry.
>
>Vanessa R. Stern
>vrs0@bunny.gte.com

Why not try another brand of liners which is thicker.  I've microwaved
the ToyRUs ones & never had a leak.  (Of course, I didn't get leaks as
a rule with the platex ones either -- they're just so much more expensive.)

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bandor@byerley.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tony McGregor)
Subject: Re: God's family values
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:08:41 GMT

ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) writes:

>In article <aidler.714030781@sanjuan>, aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) 
>writes:
>> It would be negligent for us as parents to not
>> teach our children the truth to they may 
>> choose happiness throughout their lives.

>Here we go again.  Prejudicial, judgmental, and calling non-xtian parents 
>negligent.  And yet some still wonder what non-xtians find offensive in this 
>type of stuff.


Mikki

I really think you are over reacting to this. Alan didn't suggest he
thought any less of you for not teaching your kids what he sees as
truth.

Surely you don't expect him, sincerely believing that he has
discovered the truth, not to teach that to his children? 

Try to stand in his position. Alan _believes_ one thing. You believe
something different and call him names because he wants to tell his kids
about what he believes. 

One other point. If you're concerned about being non-offensive then
you really should write Christian in full. Some Christians find the
abbreviation xtian offensive.

Tony
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Tony McGregor ( Tony.McGregor@fcit.monash.edu.au )  
Department of Robotics and Digital Technology, Monash University
PO Box 197, Caulfield East, Vic 3145, Australia  
Phone: +61 3 5732014  Fax: +61 3 5732345
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From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Let the toilet training begin!
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:57:24 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

I can't believe what a fool I'm being over this, but I just have to share
it with someone who can relate (our childless friends can't for some
reason ;^)

Patrick, who is 2 years 9 months, finally went pee in the potty last
night!  It was just after I gave him a bath.  He sat on the potty,
told him what he would get if he tried (one Skittle), what he would
get if he went potty (the "whole" bag of Skittle - actually we divided
them up into sandwich bags with five in each) and started reading his
"Once Upon A Potty".  It took all of five seconds for him to urinate
in the potty.

You would have thought he just won the gold medal!  He called his cousins
and told them (well, we called for him and he talked :^} ) and called his
Grandma and told her.  Patrick was so wired that he didn't get to sleep 
until 10pm.

And just now Katherine called to tell me that he did "both" in his
potty.  We're going to buy stock in Skittles.

I guess the old theory of "they will toilet train when they're damn
good and ready" is true.  We were starting to envision Patrick going
to first grade in diapers...  I think Rebecca will have it much easier
than her older brother.

I can't wait until we have only one kidlet in diapers!

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lcheap@milton.u.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap)
Subject: Re: Second Baby Thoughts ...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:00:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.223858.2216468@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>
>6) There really is 4 times as much laundry.  You cannot deny it.  I don't know
>WHY it isn't just 2 times as much laundry, but it isn't.  It's FOUR!

That's because we've all lifted up the rotating part of the washing machine
and found all of our missing socks!  :) :) :)

-Laurel
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Laurel Cheap           University of Washington   lcheap@u.washington.edu
Information Systems    Seattle, Washington  USA   a.k.a. Brendan's mommy
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From: barneyc@lonexb.rl.af.mil (Cathleen M. Barney)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby Monitor recommendations
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:02:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: RL

In article <1992Aug11.123457.6080@linus.mitre.org> kvt@willow.mitre.org writes:
>Are there any other baby monitor users out there that have
>noticed that you can sometimes pick up the signal of other
>users in your area on your monitor?
>

Same thing happened to us.  Our next door neighbors have twins two weeks
younger than Stephanie.  I found this out one night when she was about 5
months old (she's 15 months now).  I heard what I thought was Stephanie crying 
(all babies kind of sound the same at 3AM) besides this was unusual for her 
since she has slept all night since she was 2 weeks old, so I ran in there 
thinking something was wrong.  I got there and she was sleeping.  Strange?
I thought I heard her.  Then I heard it again, this time coming from my
monitor down the hall.  Even more strange?  I'm looking right at her and
she's sound asleep!!  That's when I realized I forgot to turn on the monitor
in her room and I was picking up the kids next door.  I went over to the
neighbors not long after that and mentioned it.  By the way, they have a
different monitor than we do.  I think they all just work the same way, like
a walkie-talkie.  Word of advice, if you're worried your neighbors are going to
listen in, just remember to always turn off the monitor in the baby's room when your
not using it.

Cathy Barney
Rome Laboratory
From: poon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Vivienne Poon)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:09:05 GMT
Subject: Re: No TV On Weekdays (Was:Misch.Child)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: misc.kids

> As the parent, I'd have opted for cuddling up on the sofa with my
> daughter and watching her favorite program with her, laughing at the
> silly mouse when she laughs, giggling at a silly inuendo or joke and
> seeing her look up at me and giggle with me, and then later talking about
> the show and sharing with her what I learned from the story.
>
> Good grief, Vivienne.  You let a potentially close precious moment
> pass because of some rule you've applied to your home.  Maybe it's
> time to think again about how you're going about this thing ...
> 
> Any why no TV on weekdays?  I've watched some of the Saturday morning shows
> and I think there's better stuff on weekdays.  TV isn't a spawn of Satan,
> you know.
> 
> -Nance

Nance, I don't intend to debate on TV viewing policies (don't we have 
lots of it already?). I just want to say that I am not against moderate TV
watching, I fully respect other people's decision on their children's
TV consumption based on their family situation and I certainly don't 
think TV is evil though I haven't let my children discover commercial 
TV yet. This rule is in place because ...

First about, I find we just couldn't fit TV into our weekday schedule. 
I don't know how other families manage it, for us it's a constant rush 
the moment we arrive home till lights off. We get home at 6:15 everyday. 
Preparing and eating dinner take at least one hour. Now it's summer time, 
the children usually go out to ride their bikes or we take a walk to a 
playground nearby.  Or they play in the backyard watering our plants. 
We went swimming the last two days because it was extremely hot. After we 
get back, my husband and I take turns in giving them bath and doing dishes. 
We seldom finish before 9 o'clock.  Then it's bedtime story till 9:30 or 
9:45. I often found myself hardly have energy left for the 10 o'clock news. 
There are so much to do in this 3.5 hour stretch of time. The only time 
they are not occupied is when I am making dinner. Of course then it 
wouldn't be watching together and I believe this is not what you meant 
in the first place.

Secondly, I know my children: you give them an inch, they will demand 
a mile. If you allow a half hour "Sing along", they will ask for 
"Mary Poppins" next time. So a rule is a rule. No arguments no fuss.
They never get it and they don't miss it. Unless, :^), I bend a little
bit for them on special occations -- we watched the Olympics together
for a couple nights. Even for that, it costed lots of explanations to 
undo the "damage". 

We do treasure those cuddling moments, (we watched The Great Mouse Detective
together first thing after breakfast last Saturday morning,) we save
them for weekends.


Vivienne Poon
From: seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: negative attitudes about breast-feeding
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:51:42 GMT
Reply-To: seb1@druhi.att.com
Organization: Bell Labs, Denver, CO.

In article <qJc-f5@engin.umich.edu>, Julie_Melody@med.umich.edu (Julie Melody) writes:
|> I did everything I was told, including preparing my nipples for
|> breastfeeding by scrubbing them lightly with a loofa sponge daily
|> My message to anyone who wants to nurse is to prepare!!  It
|> only
|> takes a few minutes a day and is well worth the effort!!!!!

But, this conflicts with what most OB's will tell you. Nipple stimulation
late in pregnancy can bring on labor. Not something most doctors recommend
unless you are getting very close or over your due date. And, I've heard
mixed things on its success. Women have prepared and still had to deal with
cracked nipples. At this point, it's too late for me. One week to due date.
Ha, ha. I'm betting on 2 weeks until I can finally hold this kid. It's the
first and we know how often they make their due dates!
-- 
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Mirror writing
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:39:00 GMT

A while ago my 4-year old daughter started writing stuff (mostly her name, 
usually in rather large capital letters). I noticed on a couple of occasions 
that if she ran out of room at the edge of the page writing left to right, 
she would keep going right to left on the next line , but with the letters 
reversed, as if they had been reflected from the edge of the paper. Sometimes 
she does mirror writing in the middle of a page, too. She seems to be right 
handed (she writes right-handed).

Anyone else seen this behaviour? I'm not worried, just curious.

Andrew Daviel
From: dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Roller coasters
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:57:16 GMT
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.03

In <r55m=2f@lynx.unm.edu>, pjohnso@triton.unm.edu (Paddy Johnson CIRT)  wrote:
#                       The thought occurs to me that surely we should wait
# a couple of years for this, but then she is back with a big grin and a
# class schedule.  "I got all the classes I wanted Mom" and off she goes to
# find her locker.  Gosh this is scary...

The difference between parenthood and a roller coaster is that:

- You can't be on more than one roller coaster at a time.
- You only pay for the roller coaster once.
- The roller coaster ride is over a LOT sooner.

---
--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
--- Note new network address:                    dcs@witsend.uucp ---
--- And if that doesn't work:                dcs@witsend.tnet.com ---
--- There never was any correspondence between my views and SCI's ---
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: grace@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Grace Chen-Ellis)
Subject: Re: Waterbeds
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:39:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.152022.25851@src.honeywell.com> jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus) writes:
>	1.  Did anyone out there sleep on waterbed during pregnancy and
>	    did you find this more comfortable? I guess what I'm asking is,
>	    would it be worth it to haul that thing down here? Or... maybe
>	    does it not give enough support???
>	2.  If waterbeds can be dangerous for babies, will I regret having
>	    it after the baby is born? (Keep in mind that once we get it
>	    we probably will not be moving it again - it's quite a task.)

I spent my first pregnancy on a mattress and was miserable the last
three months.  My second pregnancy was spent on a waterbed and was
miserable only the last two weeks -- no need for lots of pillows...
I'm 1/2 way through my third pregnancy now and I find a waterbed
much more comfortable than a mattress.

waterbeds are supposedly dangerous for babies if they get caught between
the mattress and the frame -- when our kids were small, they'd sleep
between us - so, getting caught wasn't a problem. Now, they are 4 and 2
and often nap on the waterbed by themselves -- they are too big to get
caught.

grace chen-ellis


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden)
Subject: Funny things they say (2YO)
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:12:52 GMT

I suppose if kids don't have anything they can relate a new term
or idea to, they will find the closest thing in their experience.
My daughter's most recent favorite movie is Fantasia, which we have
been watching a lot lately.  The last piece, Ave Maria, shows a line
of what I think are monks carrying candles.  The other day watching
this I remarked to Caitlin "Those are monks."  I assumed she wasn't
listening since I got no response.  The next day however, she had
assimilated the comment and when we got to Ave Maria she said 
"Where are the Chipmunks?  I don't see them!"  

That same night, my husband and I decided to go to the firestation to
register to vote.  So we told Caitlin "We're going to register to vote."
She seemed quite happy and excited about this expedition.  Half way 
there in the car she said "We're going to see Mr. Boat!"  I hope the
chance to see the fire-engines offset her disappointment that there
were no boats there!
From: alison@husky.informix (Alison Suggs)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: feeding tables
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:39:54 GMT
Reply-To: alison@husky.informix
Organization: Informix Software


The thread about tables & chairs has reminded me of a peeve and I wondered
if anyone on the net could tell me why feeding tables have disappeared?
My brother (12 years my junior) had one and we loved it, but I gather some
safety issue has doomed them, since I can't find one anywhere.  

Alison
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cruelty Free Products (Was Re: cradle cap)
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:25:05 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <JGJ.92Aug17144612@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) writes:
>
>>Does anyone have information about other companies that offer kids (or other) 
>>products that they don't use animal testing for?  I agree with the sentiment 
>>that my shampoo shouldn't kill animals.  I worked in a pharmacy college.  I 
>>could tell you horror stories.
>
>I don't know about you, but I don't want *my* kids to be the guinea
>pigs for some shampoo that's going to make their hair fall out.  I
>want it tested on chimps, pigs, rats and anything else before its
>*ever* tried on a human being!
>

Oh come on.  Products that aren't tested on animals are still tested.
Mostly on human volunteers.  If anything, that makes them safer.  Most
companies making non-animal tested stuff use ingredients with a long,
safe history too.

For the original questioner:  does "The Body Shop" have branches in
the U.S.  If so they have a good new range of baby products.
If they don't, and you have trouble getting stuff, start a one
person consumer campaign.  Write to companies asking why they do
animal testing, and expressing a preference that they don't.  If you
do find a cruelty-free source, use it all the time, and write to the
other companies telling them what you have done and why.  Here in the
UK a lot of folk started doing this between 5 and 10 years ago.  Now
almost anything you buy has a cruelty-free bunny symbol on it.

Alison
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Making Children Mind...
Followup-To: misc.kids 
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:22:04 GMT

My m-i-l just sent us book called "Making Children Mind Without Losing
Yours" by Kevin Leman (I think -- the book's at home).  Has anyone heard
of it?  What did you think? Should we bother reading it?
I don't think I've seen it mentioned here before.

Michele
From: tgregory@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Terry Gregory)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Birth Announcement
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:57:12 GMT
Reply-To: tgregory@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Terry Gregory)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC


  I'd like to welcome to the world my new (and beautiful) daughter:

        Megan Elizabeth Gregory
        born 5:59 PM, 8/10/92

  My wife and I have benefitted greatly from the information exchanged in this
news group.  Thank you.
  I'm a frequent and fervent misc.kids reader (first time poster).  I've only
now had something worthy to say. 

-  Terry Gregory