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From: peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Subscriptions
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:22:22 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <9212150144.AA25747@lynx.corp.frame.com>, jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:
> R'ykandar Korra'ti (dark@microsoft.com (Dar Korra'ti)) writes:
> 
>>     I'd like to mention at this point that, speaking as one who knows
>>what this is like, that running a subscription services is a _monumental
>>pain_. For a larger-scale magazine, I wouldn't do it.
> 
> If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.  A publisher must balance
> doing a subscription service against the reward.  If a publisher must charge
> more than cover for a subscription than cover price, then they must feel that
> that is what is required to offset the effort.  For me, if I cannot get at
> least as good a deal by subscription, then the reward isn't worth the effort,
> especially if I get a *worse* deal.

This is a ridiculous assertion.  Since you don't like the deal, then you think
that it shouldn't be *offered*?!?  The way I figure it is that if, in addition
to making the comic available through distributors, they *also* make it
available by direct order, then whatever price they set, let them set it.  If
they make their sales, great.  If not, let the laws of supply and demand take
hold.  (Bwahahaa!  I'm an unabashed capitalist!)

From the impression I'm getting here, that is sort of like if I were to set
my commission rates at a really high price, because my overhead costs for
postage, materials, etc. were really high, then I would be told not to even
bother with it, if the price isn't "fair".  Well, I wouldn't see that I'd be
losing too much by just making the offer *available* -- certainly I wouldn't be
gaining any more by not making the offer at all.  Along the same lines, I think
a publisher would probably make more money putting out a "bad" deal (i.e. high
price) for subscriptions than not making that option available at all.

> I have.  And I still state: if the publisher has to charge more per copy for
> a subscription than cover price, then that publisher should not be offering
> subscriptions.  Anyone who orders such a subscription is either (a) unable

"Should not".  On what grounds?  That it's "unfair" to the consumer?  That it
is not going to result in a profit for the publisher?  I don't quite see what
you're getting at.

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From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Where's the *discussion*?
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:29:11 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota
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Matthew L. High (bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
>
>RE:  Todd Whitesel on how well Albedo is selling -
>
>Er, actually, Albedo is the third-best-selling furry comic, 
>  behind Usagi Yojimbo (20K+) and Hepcats (4500).

Wow, that's quite a disparity between #1 and #2.

>Why isn't it selling?  Well, I have a couple of thoughts on this:
>
>1)  The independents market is very very very soft right now - 
>2)  The problems with Brenner.
>3)  Promotion.

One thing I've noticed is that fans often blame external sources for
what are usually internal problems.  The above are true for ALBEDO,
but they are pretty much the same problems faced by almost any book
being published these days.

>4)  The one major problem I find with the book, though, is THE
>  WRITING.

Yes, it is the _writing_ that is ALBEDO's biggest problem.  Or, more
importantly, the STORY, of which there is little or none (Steve once
said that he felt that a story was "an artificial construct").  If
you want a book to succeed, it helps to have interesting characters
and an interesting story.  #1-#3 won't matter if you haven't addressed
#4; The best market, the greatest printer and wonderful promotion won't
help sell a book that no one wants to buy.

>Albedo does have three things going for it:  a regular schedule
>  (probably *the* most important thing for sales, in terms of 
>  distributors), a long track record (back to 1983!), and good 
>  artwork...

It is a known fact that a good story can save bad art, but no amount of
good art can save a bad story.  ALBEDO has a lot going for it but,
unfortunately, not in the areas that really matter.

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From: jwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Jeff Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Manon Rheaume plays her first pro game
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:20:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

Manon Rheaume made her pro debut last night, playing goalie for about 6
minutes for the Atlanta Knights against the Salt Lake City team. She stopped
three shots, and allowed one goal. The Knights lost 4-1. I wonder if Dave will
say anything on his next show??
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From: amck@rowdy.mcc.com (Alan McKendree)
Subject: Re: Unusual Show
Organization: MCC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:31:43 GMT


Regarding the Reverse-Image show:  they started off broadcasting as
usual.  Then after a while, Dave introduced the effect we were about
to see, saying it was the first time it had ever been tried on network
TV.  They took a camera into the directing room, which had a bunch of
guys in lab coats standing around the usual technicians (including our
friend Hal Gurtner).  Then there was a countdown, and the whole screen
image started compressing from the sides (as if it were rotating
around a line down the middle of the screen), until it became just a
thin white vertical line; then it widened back out, with the image,
sure enough, reversed from right to left.  The audience went nuts.

I don't know why they don't screw around with this more, or the
rotating camera.  I like both the effects.


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From: marty@Shiva.COM (Marty Del Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Theme Shows
Followup-To: alt.fan.letterman
Organization: Shiva Corporation, Cambridge, Ma, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:35:01 GMT

In article <1g728pINNrbf@agate.berkeley.edu> slouie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Shelley Louie) writes:
>I've hear that there was a show in which everyone was dubbed by a single
>person in Spanish with English subtitles. Boy I'm sorry I missed this one!
>
It wasn't a single person who did the dubbing--it was a whole team.  Each
person who appeared on the show got their own voice.  The guy who did Dave
was hilarious--deep, low, clipped, and with all the wrong inflections.

And it wasn't in Spanish, it was in English.


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From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Whom has Dave called?
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:24:26 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1gjcluINNp8e@bigboote.WPI.EDU> bdsm@fermat.WPI.EDU (Billy Don McConnell) writes:
>(By the way:  What DID that Fiji guy say in those commercials?)

The only real words I can think of that it sounds like
is: Alcapoco Beachside.


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From: klein@bob.ece.wisc.edu (Peter Ing)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Interview with Jason Alexander
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:20:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wisconsin Center for Applied Microelectronics, Madison

saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer) writes:

>So what did people think of Letterman's interview with Jason Alexander
>(George), known as ``Jerry Seinfeld's loser friend'' ?

It seemed to me that Dave doesn't really like Jason.  Dave always leans over
and says a few standard words to each guest before commercial breaks or
after the interview, but not with Jason.  Dave completely ignored Jason
as soon as Paul and the Band started to play.  I am wondering what Jason's
background is or if it was something else that pissed Dave off.

klein@bob.ece.wisc.edu
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From: whitten@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Whom has Dave called?
Date: 10 Dec 92 23:48:18 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <sHoFVB4w164w@cellar.org>, toad@cellar.org (Tony Shepps) writes:
> jim@zeus.tamu.edu SPIKE writes:
> 
>> Let's add another list to the FAQ: whom has Dave called on the phone?
> 
> How about the maitre-d' at the cafe at the base of Rockefeller Plaza?  Dave
> told him to go stand in the fountain -- and the GUY ACTUALLY DID IT!  Great
> stuff.

Yeah, but the thing that was lame about this was that in several shots,
the Letterman "gopher" (for lack of a better term) could be seen waving
his arms, pointing at tables to take the phone to, and giving other
clarifications and directions.  I hate to think how set-up some of the
stuff is.  I rather have it for real, and have them flop once in awhile,
than to have the place scouted beforehand.

Regards,
Chris

> Tony Shepps toad@cellar.org
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: Unusual Show
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:05:45 GMT

In <BzD7AL.LrE@world.std.com> kenny@world.std.com (Kenneth R Crudup) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.163143.6939@mcc.com>
>amck@rowdy.mcc.com (Alan McKendree) says:

>>Regarding the Reverse-Image show:
>>...They took a camera into the directing room, which had a bunch of
>>guys in lab coats standing around the usual technicians (including our
>>friend Hal Gurtner).

>...that's "Guernee", Dave.
>	-Kenny

C'mon. Let's not start this stuff on hoe Hal's last name is spelled again.
Everybody knows it's Grundman. G-R-U-N-D-M-A-N.

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From: marks@neuro.usc.edu (Mark Seidenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: CBS vs. NBC
Date: 13 Dec 1992 20:16:34 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu
Summary: more stuff about Dave
Keywords: letterman, CBS

Rush Limbaugh doesn't _have_ a time slot; he's in syndication and
different stations run the show at different times (like Arsenio).

Leno is #1 at 11.30; ratings declined around the time his executive
producer-manager-friend was fired but have since recovered.

Limbaugh's ratings are about the same as Arsenio's but should decline
now that the election is over.

NBC is happy with Leno and thinks that he would attract a broader
audience than Letterman.  Letterman would get less of the older
audience that was Carson's core.

NBC will counter the CBS offer by (a) arguing that CBS cannot guarantee
that a full slate of affiliates will watch his program, and (b) offering
him several hours of prime time stuff.

Letterman will tell them to shove it.

Just guess, but trust me.

Mark Seidenberg

Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
From: jonathan@cae.wisc.edu (Jonathan Klein)
Subject: TV give-away
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:50:46 CST

>1)  The funniest call I remember -- Dave called some old couple at random
>    and tried to give them a new RCA stereo TV when stereo TV first came out.
>    The old people thought it was a gimmick and hung up on him.
>    He called back and they were very rude and told him they never watched
>    his show and hung up again.  He kept calling back trying to explain that
>    there was no catch and they kept hanging up.  Eventually, he told (yelled
>    at) them that he was sending them the TV whether they wanted it or not.
>    It was great.

  A few weeks after this show, the older couple was guests on the show.
They thanked Dave and told him that they now watch the show sometimes.
They were really nice people.

klein@bob.ece.wisc.edu
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Meg! (of Simon & Schuster)
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:38:23 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Kevin Fairchild writes:
>
>2)  So how did Dave & Meg get started, anyway.  Did they really just decide
>    to call the person in the office across the street?  Or did they set it
>    up?  How long has he been calling her?
>
2 things:

1) I imagine most things they do on the show are set up to some degree,
except for Letterman calling down to Bryant G. "I'm not wearing any
pants!" (I can imagine being led out to some kind of public execution,
hands tied behind my back, the crowd booing and jeering, and that
scene comes to mind....and I'll still start laughing.)

2) Tangential. Was that just a bulky sweater, or is Meg expecting?
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From: holliman@sounder.csc.ti.com (Ed Holliman)
Subject: Re: First meeting with Meg
Followup-To: alt.fan.letterman
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:00:19 GMT

In article <mixterhp-161292180707@152.10.11.116> mixterhp@appstate.edu  (Perry Mixter ) writes:

   Lets hope Dave finds a way to keep Meg if he moves to CBS. It has to be
   one of the more brilliant things hes done on the show to calls her
   regularly. Anyone remember the time he had a couple married over there?
   Hilarious!

I don't remember that call, but my favorite was when, on her birthday, Dave
had a marching band march down the street below her window and then spell out
MEG in the street. The funniest part about that was when they showed that
traffic was being backed up for a mile just for this little present. And who
says Dave doesn't care?

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From: bobv@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Bob von Buelow)
Subject: Re: Whom has Dave called?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:29:43 GMT

>He says "Bula vinaka."   It either means "Have a nice day" or "Don't come
>here.  We'll kill you."

Hello, thanks.

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From: miked@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Mike Doskas)
Subject: Re: First meeting with Meg
Reply-To: miked@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Mike Doskas)
Organization: Bell Northern Research Montreal, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 18:30:19 GMT

In article <1gqargINNrek@eagle.natinst.com>, davoli@natinst.com (Russell Davoli) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec16.232841.26515@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ematias@csri.toronto.edu (Ummm... me!) writes:
|>
|> >   "Things That Have Happened In Meg's Office..."  :-)
|> >
|> >- a wedding
|> >- hairstyling (one of Meg's co-workers)
|> >- a Christmas carol sung by the Harlem Boys' Choir
|> >- ... <fill in the blank> ...
|> 
|> 
|> Also
|> - boys choir singing carols
|> - flying a large bird from NBC to her office (what was that bird, anyway?)
|> - having Meg try to swing her phone handset out her window to an office below
|> 
|> I know there's more, but I can't remember.  Seems like Larry Bud Melman has
|> made a few trips there, too.
|> 
|> The one I like best didn't happen in her office.  Letterman had blocks of
|> rush hour traffic sealed off so he could send a marching band down the street
|> below her window and spell out "MEG" for her birthday.  Hilarious stuff,
|> although maybe not for the poor souls caught in traffic.


How about the time that Biff was out on the street barbecuing, and
Dave had Meg guessing what it was that Biff was cooking?

Also, wasn't there one show where Meg had to drop something from
her window which Biff had to catch?  I'm kind of fuzzy on this one.
I seem to remember the item ending up on a ledge or something.
Anybody?

 
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From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Subject: Re: The Big Show with Dave Letterman
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:10:00 GMT

In article <1g88vaINN2tu@agate.berkeley.edu> jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell) writes:
>This is my vote for the name of the possible new CBS show.
>
How about "Not So Late Night with David Letterman"?


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From: cdubuque@plains.NoDak.edu (Chadwick Dubuque)
Subject: Re: Why would CBS offer $16 million?
Summary: 'Cause we love him!
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:14:32 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network
Keywords: new contract, lots o' money, study

In article <cf_FH1_00WCQI6hEhv@andrew.cmu.edu> msb1+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Edwin Sheldrick) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec10.172938.4908@netcom.com>, bilan@netcom.com (Steve
>Bilan) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> I'm curious as to why CBS would offer Dave Letterman $16 millions
>> dollars when they were virtually assured of getting Dave.  It was
>> wellknown that Dave was most interested in a 11:30 timeslot and
>> CBS was the only one that could offer it to him.  Logically, they
>> would only have to offer him an acceptable salary and Dave would
>> probably jump at it.  But they seem to decide to throw their money
>> away.
>
>There was an article in USAToday this week about the contract CBS
>offered Letterman. I don't have it in front of me, but here are the
>numbers I remember:
>	
>--The article blamed NBC for being "tightfisted"--Dave is currently
>being paid $6 million a year (really stingy, huh? :->), while LNWDL
>makes around $50 million per year.
>--Leno is being paid $3 or $4 million for Tonight.
>--Arsenio gets $20 million (not a typo) for his show.
>
>I'll see if I can find the article, and I'll post anything that is
>interesting and anything that is wrong with the above post.
>
I read in _TV Guide_ once at how college students have the uncanny ability
to pick shows that will be hits, make the most money, etc.  One of the
highest rated shows (and THE highest rated talk shows) was Late Night WDL.
Therefore, it doesn't seem surprising (especially if Arsenio gets $20 mil)
that Dave will get $16 mil.
	Hmmmm. . . I wonder if I could start a TV show for us students and
rake in the dough?

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From: zaphod@src4src.linet.org (Steve Wechsler)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Theme Shows
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:45:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Source for Source

In article <1gbelnINNho4@life.ai.mit.edu> drosera@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Donald Burden) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>date when the original show aired.  At the beginning, instead of the new
>introduction, they would instead do things like showing the repeat dubbed
>in Spanish, or having Dave comment on the show from his home, or speeding up
>the tape and putting new material at the end.


Some of those gimmicks were really annoying.  I remember one where
they rotated the picture 360 degrees over the hour (so at 1:00 it was
upside down).

The one where they sped it up I also found difficult to watch,
especially when the new material at the end was just Dave and Paul
going over pictures from Paul's vacation.
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From: wilson4450@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Dave & Connie!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:58:57 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Did I ever tell you folks the story about when I meet Mr. Letterman at a dinner
party for Connie Chung?  I believe it was her birthday (she would not confess
to her age).  Dave was standing by the fire place telling Maurry (or however
the hell you spell his name) to consider a real job instead of that little
Current Affair thing he was doing!  Maurry told dave he should maybe consider
getting a girl friend and "Leave my wife alone!", Dave then shoved Maurry into
Connie and left the party in tears sobbing, "I just want people to love me for
who I am !"

Truely a sad day
Chris



From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:49:54 GMT
Subject: Re: correction
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA