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From: ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:03:00 GMT

In article <14fq65INNj0p@agate.berkeley.edu>, judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng) writes...
>Gary Tse writes under Asian-Am/African Am relationships:
..
> 
>Gary, I'd like to reiterate my reasoning in claiming that marriages between
>two people of ethnic minority groups are better politically than marriages
>between a non-white and a white person.

Hmm, what does "better politically" actually mean?  I am not sure that
the situation in the US will improve if everyone examined ethnic minority
benefits before getting married.  What do you expect to happen?  You will
still have white America on one side and minority America on the other
after say a generation of these "politically better" marriages.  What do
you accomplish?
> 
>5. There is power in numbers. With sheer numbers, we can turn the tide. For
>    example, the presidential candidates are much more sensitive to African
>    Americans because they, as a united group, can sway the election. In our
>    corner, Asian Americans make up 10% of California's population, but only
>    2% of the state's registered voters.

This is the only point that can possibly bring about change.  The whole point
of the American system is for the minority to become the majority.  But there
are two ways to accomplish this.  One can put together a coalition of many
minorities to become the majority.  But this does not solve the problem that
there is a white America that is basically ignorant of racial problems.  The
other way is to change/convince the majority.
> 
>7. Chances are that the children of Asian-White couples do not wholly identify
>     as being Asian American. Many can easily melt into the pot of White
>     America. Is this good? Yes, say the out-marrying Asian Americans. But it
>     means another step backwards for non-Whites, specifically Asian
>     Americans.

How do you know that mixed heritage children do not identify themselves as
being Asian-American?  I think that people of mixed heritage will probably
want to pull both communities together rather than blend into one.
> 
>      I'm all for having friends and co-workers of different backgrounds/
>ethnicities/genders/etc. But until this society becomes truly equal, I think
>it is better to stay away from the rice-meets-bread fever. By doing these
>things, we are gradually gaining our rights as a group. 
> 
Gaining rights as a group?  You know there is a minority that I know of
that used to talk all the time of "group rights".  That minority was led
by a man named P. W. Botha.  Do we really want associate with the likes
of him?

-- Makoto
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Degree Envy
From: yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan)
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:42:07 GMT

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

>In article <1992Jul28.015531.19318@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>>How about this:  you can't possibly DATE so and so because he only has a bachelors
>>degree, i.e. he has no future.  OR she is no good for you because she has a PHD and you only have a bachelors.  

>  Ouch.  I've experienced this.  Older generation Asians usually prescribe
>  Masters (or Nursing degrees) for girls , and PhD's for boys.  The theory
>  is that if a girl has a PhD she can't find a husband.  And to that I say
>  baloney, AA guys don't have this hang-up, although I do admit to meeting
>  more than one Asian immigrant friend who warned me not to get a PhD because
>  I'll never get a husband.  Among some Asian immigrant males, a woman with
>  a PhD in Math is considered a side-show freak!

Double ouch.  I guess I'm lucky to have such an enlightened family, because
I've never expereienced this kind of sexism (like I said in my other post, my
parents always wanted me to get a Ph.D).

-nhy
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From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: damned generalizations
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:00:30 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.015805.5934@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>Here's another fact.  I refer the readers to the July 4-July 10 
>(approx.) edition of the Economist.  On or about p. 32, you will find
>an article indicating a general fear among S. E. Asian countries
>who are being intimidated by China's implied military threats and military
>posturing to seize certain regions in the waters of that region.
>This has nothing to Taiwan but does have something to do with China's
>belief that certain oil-region regions belong to China.

     The actions of a government do not necessarily indicate the wishes
of a people.  I should think Tianamen (sp.) showed that rather clearly.
Or do you interpret the American invasions (actual, not posturing) of
Grenada, Panama, and Iraq, including thousands of civilian casualties and
hundreds of thousands of military casualties, indicate a bloodthirsty,
imperialistic American culture?

>Chinese-cu Singaporean men do, of their volition, frequently
>make weekend flights to Thailand to have unprotected sex with underaged
>Thai girls, many of whom are a mere 13 years of age.  These Chinese-cu
>jerks are not going as part of a "sex" tour group.  They are just
>going there, alone, to rape some girls for the hell of it [1].

     Newsweek recently (within the past two weeks) addressed the issue
of AIDS in Thailand.  Men from all over the world, Asia, Europe, and
America, are travelling to Thailand for the prostitutes.

     Your wholesale willingness to condemn one particular culture based
upon generally abhorrent behavior reveals your blind prejudice.

							George

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From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<1992Jul25.023326.29160@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
	<MDAY.92Jul25100230@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>
	<1992Jul26.213644.4290@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:19:43 GMT

   e199-ac@hydrus (Alexander Lee) writes:

   Before I begin, I would appreciate it, Mark, if you would not take things
   out of context, delete large chunks of relevant posts, and twist facts
   to help support your argument.  I understand that that's what people with
   an obvious lack of intelligence must resort to.

Whereas the really smart people just insult the people who disagree
with them, right?  Good tactic.  I'm really interested in what you
have to say now.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Admitting your faults (was Re: Perfect Families)
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:57:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.223200.26814@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> mgundeko@pcserver2.Naitc.Com (Murthy Gundekota) writes:
>[...] It is in the human nature as you can see around where no netter ever
>admits their faults.

What the heck are you talking about?  Why, just yesterday, I admitted before
this entire scaa tribunal that I can't twirl a pen on my hand.  What more do
you need???!!!!!!

You want more?  OK, you know how bad of an Asian I used to be?  Don't tell
my relatives in the old country this, but... [sotto voce] I didn't know how
to use chopsticks until my sophomore year in college.  No, I am not joking.
(Quit laughing, will you?)

Now, if that isn't enough "fault admission" from the good people of this
newsgroup, I don't know what is!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jim
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: An open letter to "Dear Abby"
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:00:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1992Jul23.075616.17598@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak) writes:
|> Dear Abby,
|> 
|> I just wanted to write to you to say that I'm ethnically Korean.  There,
|> you don't even have to ask now.  I'm also as American as George Bush, Bill
|> Clinton, or yourself.  Got any problems with that?  I thought not...
|> 
|> Sincerely yours,
|> 
|> Jim Pak
|> 
|> p.s. What do you think of AF/CM?

One thing my wife does that bugs me is when she refers to Caucasians as
"Americans" as if AAs and Afr-As are not American.  I tell her I am just
as American as the president of the United States, no more and no less.
I have to keep reminding her that being American has nothing to do with
ethnicity.

I can understand how she gets confused.  Where she is from, a person does
not have full rights of citizenship unless that is a natural born
citizen and that person's parents and grandparents are also citizens.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com




Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:6944 rec.arts.movies:22860
From: davec@davinci.concordia.ca (Dave Chu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Year of the Dragon (Re: Asian American Media Image)
Keywords: good movie, 2 thumbs up!
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:05:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Distribution: na
Organization: ECE - Concordia University

In article <1992Jul20.195839.20156@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
   Blah Blah Blah...

>In the second of the two best parts, she realizes the truth in a
>most unfortunate and brutal way.  Three jerks from her own cultural
>group gang-rape her to stop her from making any more annoying comments
>about the antagonist.  She later confronts the cop and tells him that
>she can no longer report about the antagonist.  The cop demands to
>know why.  She says that 3 boys--3 from her 'own' cultural group--raped
>her.  At the end of the movie, she passes the rubicon and defies
>the threats of cultural group.  She bluntly and defiantly reports
>about the criminal stench in that ethnic town.
>
   Blah Blah Blah...

You forgot to mention the part when the nice white policmen raped her.
I guess it's OK to you that a WHITE policmen rapes a asian women.  You
probably thought that was the best sex she'll ever going to get compare
to what she is getting form those asian (especially those savage chinese-cu)
guys.  The policmen probably set her straight and make her see the light,
she was too chinese-cu anyways right?

Mr Joe, I've been reading your posting for a while and have refrained from
replying to your nonsense.  I don't know what is the source of your
irrational hate for the chinese culture comes from.  Perhape you should
seek some counseling or talk to someone about your feeling toward chinese
culture and see what their reactions will be.  Perhape then you'll see
for yourself if your actions are rational or not.  Best of luck to you
Mr. Joe.

Dave
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From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:29:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul22.172926.23144
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <23276@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj@alice.att.com, curmudgeon) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.184201.13503@ichips.intel.com> sedayao@chopin.intel.com writes:
>>In article <14fq65INNj0p@agate.berkeley.edu>, judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng) writes:
>>> 4. There exists prejudice in the mainstream political, legal, academic systems
>>>     and the media, a prejudice often only White people can escape.
>>I would agree here.
>Actually, I disagree.  I think you mean "rich White people can escape".

	Well, actually RICH people (no other qualifiers) can escape.

>One thing I do not see in these articles is the understanding of
>what economic power/powerlessness does to a person of any race,
>including white.  Claiming that white people can escape prejudice
>in the lega, political, and academic systems is plain wrong,
>and the news in front of you every day shows that.  It DOES show
>that RICH white people can escape the system.  That's a big difference.

	Yes and no.  Economic power tends to swamp the problems that
stem from racism. Money DOES buy happiness (in some respects); being in
the upper class goes you a helluva lot of clout no matter what your
color. From where I stand, most of the variance is in economics, not race.

	That said, there is nonetheless some racial biases that still
persist, despite controlling for economic class and income. For example,
police harassment seems to center more on non-whites than whites (see
Dee Brown and LeVar Burton's problems. The cause may not be, and probably 
is not, racial in origin, but the effects sure look and feel like it.

	The upshot? Though there are racial problems, the major (and
the more amenable, IMAO) is the economic.

>It ignores the fact that
>most whites are in exactly the same position as asians,
>because of economic power issues,

	True. And it needs to be said and repeated.

 rather than race issues, and
>that economic power is becoming the new method of discrimination
>in this society

	Nahhhh. Economic power has ALWAYS been a method of discrimination
in this society; it's just that they've always been able to distract the
unwashed masses from that fact (with money, of course......)



-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: yuan1@husc9.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian <> Asian-American
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:02:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc9.yuan1.712339344
 <1992Jul28.004435.11125@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> <1992Jul28.020859.29309@leland.Stanford.EDU>
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(Sorry, I just HAD to make one point clear)

underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.004435.11125@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
>ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>>...
>Yeah, but Mr. Hu should at least understand the ignorance of those
>rednecks.  Those idiots are only reiterating what Chinese-cu assholes
>keep saying.

>They keep telling certain Asian-Americans that their real mother land is,
>of all places, some outhouse called China.  Hell, if that doesn't steam
>you up, nothing well.

>China is nothing more than some alien nation with which many Asian-Americans
>want _no_ connection whatsoever.  Asian-Americans _stand_ _up_ _and_ _CHEER_
>when America beats the _CRAP_ out of the athletic teams from China, etc.
>in the Olympics.

>>our homes burned, and ourselves beaten to death, just because of our genes.
>>And then we turn around and a bunch of Asians kick us in the face for
>>being banana-Twinkie-hollow-bamboo-worthless-sellout-scum-traitors-who-
>>can't-even-speak-Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Vietnamese/Tagalog/etc.

>That last sentence probably doesn't apply except in the case of the first
>cultural group:  Chinese-cu culture.

Just thought I'd make sure that everyone realizes that NOT ALL Americans
of Asian ancestry want to sever all connection with their heritage, as Mr. Joe
seems to imply.  And Mr. Joe, it would be nice to hear you occassionally
admit that there are actually PEOPLE of OTHER cultures who may be "racist,"
and that those of Chinese ancestry certainly don't have a monopoly on the
negative qualities you so abhor.

And as for the comment about the Olympics...well, never mind.

-nhy

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From: luk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:41:04 EDT

In article <3637@randvax.rand.org>, edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall) writes:
> In article <131394@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
>>I think that's very foolish of him to ask that question since only US
>>citizens can work in government research labs.
> 
> If I'm not mistaken, this is no longer an absolute requirement for NIST,
> although I've little doubt it is for LLNL.
> 
> In any case, even innocent questions can be asked in malicious ways.
> And the fact that it was the "chief" and not someone in personnel who
> asked the question /is/ strange.  I don't blame Mr. Hira for feeling
> harrassed.
> 
> 		-Ed Hall
> 		edhall@rand.org

I was in Livermore National Lab and found out US citizenship is not 
required for some permanent positions. Besides, foreign students with 
F1 visa etc. can be postdoc in government research labs.
From: tse@loonybin.apple.com (Gary Tse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Some recent stats in the San Jose Mercury
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:31:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism

In article <1992Jul27.011214.21748@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>	2.  Why did the Murky News focus on *household* income, rather than
>		per capita income?  Many of the less-prosperous Asian-American
>		families that I know have many, many wage-earners to make up
>		for the lousy pay they get from the lousy jobs they can find.

I think the Mercury story came out some months ago, and my memory of
that article is extremely hazy.  That said, I seem to remember the
Merc reporting *both* the household and the per capita income. I think 
the per capita Asian income is slightly (5% to 10%?) lower than the
white per capita income.

Please take this with a grain of salt.  With my caffeine-starved 
brain, a huge one at that.

-- 
Gary Tse, tse@Apple.COM			``Out of a misty dream
(408) 862-5452			Our path emerges for a while, then closes
						Within a dream.'' -- E. Dowson
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From: lchsu@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Leon C. Hsu)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:59:22 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.180012.16247@u.washington.edu> janhsu@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi) writes:
>
>I advise everyone to put Dwighty in your local kill file. My point was 
>made well and clear, and it completely domolished his. Anyway, this is
>not the place to argue, that is, of course, if Dwight Joe has anything
>valid to argue, but I doubt that.

NOOOOOOOO! That's no fun! If you put Dwight in you kill file, you won't 
see his posts and you won't be able to join in the fun of flaming him!!

-leon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: grd4016@husky1.stmarys.ca
Subject: Hi!
Organization: St. Mary's University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:10:45 GMT

Hi!
From: angeli@infocomm.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Cheese
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:25:55 PDT
Organization: INFO COMM - Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca

In article <21JUL199210340889@vxcrna.cern.ch>, ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:

> 
> I rue the day when I develop lactose-intolerance (both my parents have
> it, so I probably will).
> 
> -- Makoto

	My cousin, my sister and my Mom all have lactose-intolerance, but they
found a product (called LactAid, I believe) that they take before eating ice
cream, drinking milk, etc.  Hope that helps someone out there.

--
Angeli Salgado - INFO COMM Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca
PHONE:	(415)369-9366
E-MAIL:	angeli@infocomm.com
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: chinese-cu
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 03:21:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.235441.6330@bnr.ca> gakusei@bmerh272.bnr.ca (Andre Roy)
writes:
>Excuse me for being ignorant, but what does chinese-cu mean?

Chinese-cu = Chinese in the CUltural sense
Chinese-ge = Chinese in the GEnetic sense; i.e. ethnically Chinese
Chinese-ci = Chinese in the sense of CItizenship; i.e. citizen of China

Note that a French-ge can be Chinese-cu but not Chinese-ge.

Also, Chinese-cu idiots tend to think that Chinese-cu = Chinese-ge;
hence, according to them, a French-ge person can never really be
Chinese-cu.  Chinese-cu idiots believe that genes (i.e. ethnicity)
determine culture.

It's a twisted, disgusting, racist view that many Chinese-cu idiots
believe.  It's a view shared by rednecks, Klansmen, and Nazis.

However, Taiwanese-cu are less inclined to this idiotic view.  I had a nice
chat with a Taiwanese-cu lady, and she believes (like me) that a
person is free to choose whatever culture she/he wishes.  Furthermore,
people (like Chinese-cu idiots) who tell others the culture with
which they "should" identify are just morons.

By the way, she tells me that she intends to learn the Japanese language
in the future.  She also tells me that one of her relatives (uncle, I think)
was locked in prison by the KMT Chinese-cu gov't on Taiwan; the "crime"
was daring to voice his opinion.

Ahhh.  The "wonders" of Chinese-cu thought...

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