From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.news.group
Subject: Re: CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan [English]
Date: 26 Jul 92 14:29:53 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

>I have translated Mr. Hamada's article.

Thanks.

>nao@jaist-east.ac.jp (Naoki HAMADA) writes:
>> $@8=;~E@$G$O$^$@$O$C$-$j$HH?BP$9$k$o$1$G$O$"$j$^$;$s$,!"$I$&$b5$$K$J$k$N$G!#(J
>> At this point, I'm not objecting to the group, but I'm suspicious...

Suspicious of what?

>>   fj.misc $@$N5-;v$r8+$k$H!"(Jfj $@$NB>$N%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$G$-$A$s$H5DO@$9$k(J
>>  $@$3$H$,$G$-$kOCBj$G$"$k$K$b$+$+$o$i$:!"5-;v$,F|K\8l$G$O$J$$$H$$$&$@$1$N(J
>> $@M}M3$G(J fj.misc $@$H$$$&ITE,@Z$J%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$KEj9F$5$l!"$=$N7k2L5DO@(J
>> $@$H$$$&$h$j$OC1$J$k$*$7$c$Y$j$K$*$o$C$F$7$^$C$F$$$k5-;v$,Hs>o$KB?$$$h$&(J
>> $@$K;W$$$^$9!#(J
>>   From the current status of fj.misc, it seems that most topics have
>> their own appropriate fj.XXX newsgropus, yet all the people are using
>> fj.misc inappropriately only because the article is in English, and
>> this result in only some chats instead of useful discussion.  In most
>> cases.

Perhaps the topics being discussed could be posted to other groups
if those in the other groups wouldn't mind discussing things in
English as well as Japanese. But from what people have said in
fj.news.group this is not the case. Some don't want to have fj.XXX
become multi-lingual. 

>>>     $@F|K\$G@83h$7$F$$$k309q?M!"$*$h$S$=$l$i$N?M$H8rN.$7$h$&$H;W$&(J
>>>     $@?M$N$?$a$N>l(J
>>>     Communication channel for foreigners living in Japan, between
>>>     themselves and with those who are willing to contribute.

>> $@$H$$$&7{>O$@$H!">l$,(J fj.misc $@$+$i?7$7$$%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$X$H0\$k$@$1$G!"(J
>> $@>u67$KJQ2=$O@8$8$J$$$G$7$g$&!#(J
>> Is the charter being proposed, so this situation will remain the same
>> even if new group is successfully created.

Probably. Because the charter is as it says, a "communication channel
for foreigners living in Japan, between themselves and with those who
are willing to communicate with them."

>>   $@2?8N(J fj.misc $@$KITE,@Z$JOCBj$rEj9F$7B3$1$k$N$+M}2r$K6l$7$_$^$9$,!"$=(J
>> $@$&$$$&?M$?$A$,E,@Z$J%K%e!<%9%0%k!<%W$NMxMQ$r5qH]$7!"$=$l$G$b$J$*!V!X8r(J
>> $@N.$N>l!Y$,$[$7$$!W$H<gD%$J$5$k$J$i$P!"I,MW$H$5$l$F$$$k$N$O%K%e!<%9%0%k!<(J
>> $@%W$G$O$J$/$F%a!<%j%s%0%j%9%H$G$O$J$$$N$G$9$+!)(J
>>   I can't imagine why they keep using inappropriate newsgroup fj.misc,
>> but if such peopel still require the place for communication, yet
>> refusing the use of appropriate groups, then I supporse what that they
>> really need is not a new newsgroup, but a mailing-list.  Isn't it
>> correct?

Please read the charter again; I think you've missed the point of
these discussions. We are using fj.misc temporarily as there is
currently no newsgroup in fj that is appropriate as for discussion
of various topics between foreigners in Japan and those who are
willing to communicate with them.

If the vote fails, then perhaps we will make a mailing-list but a
mailing list isn't so easy to get connected with. However, if the
vote succeeds, then the new newgroup will be the appropriate place. 

>   So I've transtated above.  Sorry for poor quality.

I could understand it well; thus its quality must be good enough! 

Thanks again for the translation,

Dave

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