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From: M18709@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Home births and HMOs...
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 12:47:36 GMT

In article <1htq7mINN2k0@crcnis1.unl.edu>
mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes:
 
>favor home births.  For those who are members of HMOs, what do your organ-
>zations say regarding their coverage for home births?  (I don't know what
>our HMO says about this.  I just know that at 8:40 pm when our daughter
 
 
My wife and I work for the same company and we have a number of health plan
options.  For various reasons we liked one of the HMO options the best.
Unfortunately, this plan (Physican's Care)  did not cover homebriths.  My
wife switched plans while I kept the Physican's Care plan for the family
(we had one child already).  This surprised me because they cover a number of
other homecare options.  Our company's self insured plan covered
homebirths (100%).  My daughter was delivered at home by her Grandma, with a
Certified Nurse Midwife and a Birth Assitant (RN) attending.  My mother-in-law
has "caught" three of her four grandchildren, all the ones which were
delivered at home.  All three homebirths were medically uneventful, but what an
event for us.
 
We had one child in a hospital and one at home.  They were both
very exceiting and emotional, however, the birth at home was much more of a
family bonding experience.  Present in the home were the baby's mother (of
course), father, brother (1.4 yr old), grandmother, cousin (1 yr old), uncle,
and his girlfriend, this is in addition to the birth attendants.  The entire
family was able to bond with the new baby and together, as we shared a very
special experience.  By the way, our family doctor even made a house call to
check out the new baby.  Our midwives' required that a doctor examine the baby
within 48 hours of birth.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Water for babies
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:36:28 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:

>In article <glen.726360222@cs.wisc.edu> glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund) writes:
>>jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
>>
>>>It seems as if water isn't given to babies like it used to be when I
>>>had mine (22 years ago!).
>>
>>>What has changed over the years that babies don't require water?
>>>I used to give water to mine when it really wasn't time for them
>>>to eat.  It seemed to pacify they until feeding time.
>>
>>Perhaps what has changed is that now we feed them when they're hungry.
>>I don't see anything wrong with (good) water, but deprivation of food
>>is not healthy, and can lead to eating disorders.  In the short run,
>>a hungry person, perhaps especially a child, is less able to learn and to
>>deal with life in general.  And, contrary to older beliefs, a baby is
>>doing a whole lot of learning.

>When I first read Jan's article, I immediately e-mailed a response
>about the dangers of feeding water to a newborn in lieu of
>breastmilk because of its possibly deleterious effects in
>establishing breastfeeding.  Glen interpreted Jan's comments for (I
>assume) an older baby or child.  I agree entirely with Glen about
>why we should feed kids when they're hungry.  But, I would hasten to
>add that the reason why we shouldn't give supplemental bottles of water
>to *newborns* has nothing to do with eating disorders.  Rather,
>breastmilk is the ideal food and water supply for newborns, and
>supplemental bottles of water not only interrupt the demand for
>breastmilk, which might then lead to lower production of breastmilk,
>but bottles of water might also lead to nipple confusion.

>I guess it would have helped if we knew what age baby Jan was
>referring to in the original article.  

I meant my comments to be applicable to both younger and older babies.
The original post used the words "when it really wasn't time for them to eat."
I think that demonstrates an old-fashioned notion.  What I thought of first
was that my mother's pediatrician told her to feed each 4 hours. 
The frustration of trying to do this caused her to give up on breastfeeding.
Another thing they told her was not to gain more than ten or twenty pounds
during pregnancy.  That, too, is unhealthy.  This was in the '50s.

Water is fine for older babies and up, and especially for the bedtime bottle,
as someone else wrote.  But not as a substitute for food.
-- 
Every child shall be treated with complete respect.

Glen Ecklund     glen@cs.wisc.edu   (608) 262-1318 Office, 262-1204 Dept. Sec'y
Department of Computer Sciences        1210 W. Dayton St., Room 3355
University of Wisconsin, Madison       Madison, Wis. 53706  U.S.A.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.cc.bellcore.com (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Re: Parents Magazine confuses on circumcision
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:46:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.223807.14298@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
[stuff deleted for brevity - we *all* know this thread by now!!!]
>
>Excuse me, but my interpretation of that first line of the original posting was
>the same as Laura's, and I too wondered why in the world the (Jewish) was
>inserted.  My second thought was also that it certainly sounded anti-semitic to
>me.  And I did read the entire article, so there.

>How do I draw a
>sticking-out-the-tongue face, to match the amazingly erudite tone of
>your last two sentences.

*This* I can help Ann with: 

:-P
    or
8-P

Works for me. I've been using it as a "nyahh" type expression for
quite some time now.

Just trying to poke a little levity into this thread.  I happen to
agree with Laura and Ann.  $.02 from a disinterested party.

>Ann Helmers
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From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Braxton-Hicks Contractions
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:08:16 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, root@metis.tti.com (Operator) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.180649.2839@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
> (Laura Floom) writes:
>>Yep. Sounds like Braxton Hicks Contractions to me. I did have them in my
>>first pregnancy, but not that bad or frequent. I get them all the time now.
>>I have heard they are more severe in subsequent pregnancies.

Am I the only one whose Braxton Hicks were FAR more severe in my first
pregnancy than in my second?  My second, I worried because I hardly
felt any.  My first, they were constant and quite strong.  (Of course,
my first baby was much more active in utero than my second, and as an
infant as well.)

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.5 years, and Carrie, 6.5 months
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Predict your next child`s sex
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:45:17 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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I almost forgot the best part:

In article <1ihl4lINNph7@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, Gary Stringfellow writes:
>
> Remarks: A Chinese Scientist discovered and drew this chart which was buried
> in a Royal tomb about 700 years ago.

That means it must be right! A Scientist could never have made a mistake!
(Speaking as a scientist, of course. :-)

(p.s. I hope you don't regard this as an attack, Mr. Stringfellow--I
enjoyed your posting, I just had to have some fun with it.)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: dhammer@jade.tufts.edu (David Hammer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Looking for a used crib
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:04:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

We're looking for a used crib in good condition near Cambridge, MA.
Does anyone have one for sale, or can anyone recommend a good used
baby furniture store?

And if anyone has a recommendation  for a pediatrician in the area,
that would be great too!

(We just moved here a few months ago...)

Thanks!

David Hammer
dhammer@jade.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: "Edward Kovelan" <wk00191@worldlink.com>
Subject: That high-pitched killer shrill
Organization: Tex-Tronics
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 01:19:34 GMT
X-Mailer: WORLDLink (3.11)

I have a 20-month-old daughter who insists on vocalizing her anger with 
a sharp, eardrum piercing shrill.  Usually such an outburst is brought 
on by her 4-year-old brother doing something she doesn't like (which can 
be something like him snatching a toy that belongs to him away from her 
or when he takes something of her away or other sibling torments) and 
sometimes is brought on when I or her daddy tell her no.  I realize she 
is approaching her "terrible twos" and maybe starting them early, but 
how do I get her out of that ear-shattering habit.  Is it something I 
should discipline her about (I do not believe in using physical 
punishment) or is it just a phase which I and everyone else has to grin 
and bear???  

By the way, my four-year-old boy is from a previous marriage and has to 
go on visits to his father's.  He has expressed jealousy towards his 
sister because she gets to stay home with me all the time while he has 
to go visit his father.  I have just recently started him in child 
therapy to understand why his visits with his father are so unpleasant 
and why he resents his sister so.  So, I am not looking for 
psychological explainations as to why my son torments his sister...Those 
questions will be answered by him and his therapist.

However, I do not like listening to that shrill every time my daughter 
gets angry...but since I've never encountered this type of outburst, I 
don't know if it can be stopped by her parents or if it's something she 
just has to grow out of eventually when she can better verbalize herself.

Thank you for any help or advice you can offer.
From: jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:01:52 GMT
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In-reply-to: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com's message of 11 Jan 93 21:11:11 GMT

> Basically, this was because under
> 12 or 13 you couldn't be sure that the child would have a level
> head in emergencies.  The article did state that kids differ on this,
> and that some 8-year olds will be fine with this, but that most won't.
> I believe they said kids should be about 15 or 16 before you even 
> consider leaving them alone overnight.

I know a kid who at about 10 or 11 witnessed a car crash into a canal.
He jumped in the canal, opened the car door, pulled the guy out before
the car sank, and dragged him to shore, saving the guy's life.  You
don't get much more level headed in an emergency than that!  I'm not
sure *I* would have kept my cool that well.

Where I grew up, the 6th graders (about age 12) were the school
crossing guards at the streets around the school and could have
paper routes.

I really don't think it would be that extraordinary 12 year old who
couldn't be left alone overnight, let a lone a few hours.  Of course
I've know 16 year olds who *should* have been locked up in chains! ;-)

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From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: cotton diapers that don't stink?
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:03:46 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <C0HnuE.12w@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>At my first birthing class last night, a representative from a 
>diaper service gave a short presentation.  She claimed that 
>because their diapers are treated with something that does not 
>let bacteria grow, they don't stink.  The service provides a 
>hamper.  No solution is in the hamper.  You just throw the used 
>diaper in there and are not even supposed to rinse the poop out 
>first.  The representative swears that THE DIAPERS DO NOT STINK.
>Could this be possible?
>
>I might try the cotton diapers, provided the daycare I choose 
>will go along with it, which is another problem.
>
>- Peggy -

The diapers may not stink, but poop stinks.

More seriously, I would be skeptical of such a chemical against the
baby's skin, no matter what the salesman said about its safety. 

We used a diaper service for a while and rinsed out the diapers.  Then to
save money we just started laundering our own, resulting in an increase
in stinkiness in our lives. With one child out of them and two still 
in them, we have more or less accepted the idea of poop as a part of 
life during these years (O paradise when they are finally over!).  I 
suppose it is a good, humbling reminder of the fact that long ago someone 
had to deal with one's own poop as well. Sometimes I like to remind myself
of this fact of life when I look at an Important Person, especially a
politician or statesman.  They too stunk up the lives of their parents
once.  Such is man, a little lower than the angels.

As for day care, you could alternate if they insist on disposables.
But we found that most people are happy to use our cloth diapers and Biobottoms
when we prefold them and provide a quart sized sealable plastic bag to put the
soiled ones in. That way they don't have to rinse anything out. Just pop
the whole mess into the bag and seal (and of course, you get to rinse
them out when you get home).

Anyway, I would encourage you to use cloth one way or another. The ecological
pros and cons are debatable.  For the sake of the children we decided as
far as possible only natural fibers - cotton, wool, silk, and linen - will 
come in contact with their skin.

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: diane@advtech.uswest.com (Diane Diesh)
Subject: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:56:32 GMT

In article <1il2c7INN935@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
>I wonder if the Schoo case is something really rare, or if it's more common
>than we think and they just happened to get caught.

A few months back, I read an article about the problem of "abandoned"
children in gambling casinos.  Seems many folks just leave their kids
(infants, even!) on the fringes of the "pit" while they gamble the
night away.

This is apparently a fairly common occurrence, as corroborated by many
casino employees (in many resort areas).  It was a sad, sad story.
-- 
Diane Diesh
diane@advtech.uswest.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kevins@drkstr.osf.org (Kevin Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Boston Visit
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:52:51 GMT

In article <199301071455.AA12229@tuna.wang.com>, AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach") writes:
> I'd second the votes for the Science museum.  Also the Museum of Fine Arts, if
> they're interested in that.  In both cases, leave lots of time for the museum
> shop!!  The Science museum especially has tons of cheap things (under$3!) that
> my friends' kids want!  I went last week with my son (35m) and 4 boys aged
> 8-12.  We all had a blast.


I would suggest the Aquarium. It is great for kids. Several hands-on 
exhibits add to the fun.  There is a dolphin/seal act also.
From: mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Another **New Mommy** Question
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:06:23 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

Hello Again!!

This the **New Mommy** once again, with yet another question!!

OK, whenever I lie down and roll over onto my side (either one, it doesn't
matter) I feel the baby kicking like crazy!!  Is it possible that the baby is
getting skwooshed or something??

I know that I'm not supposed to lie down on my back, but does it matter about
the right or left sides??  

My questions may sound stupid, but I have NO idea and my childbirth class isn't
until next Monday, so I can't ask my instructor until then.

Thanks again!!

P.S.-- We've decided on a name for our little girl (or at least as far as we
know of)  **Taylor Nicole Newton**.

Cute, huh??

Tundrea Newton
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cms@sei.cmu.edu (Christine Stanley)
Subject: Relocating and a 10yr old
Keywords: relocating
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:05:23 EST



I've been reading the group for some time and although I have never posted,
found that a lot of the advice given is very good.  I could use some of that
advice now.

My husband has been transferred, which means that we will be moving from
Pittsburgh, PA to Huntsville, AL.  Our daughter will be 10 next month and is in
the 4th grade.  She is an outgoing child who loves her school and has lots of
friends.  

I am concerned about how she will adjust, she used to be shy and over the last
2 years has really come out of her shell.  Does anyone out there have any
suggestions on how to make this transition easier on her?

Background stuff

She has known that we were probably going to move to Alabama for the last
couple of months, so it's not a total shock to her and she has been there
several times.  My husband is originally from Alabama, about 2 hours from
Huntsville.  

The person who takes care of Amber while we are at work is my best friend and
our families are very close.  She has offered to keep Amber for a couple of
weeks until we get settled and find a permanent place to live.  We will be in
temporary housing at first.  I don't want to take the chance of pulling Amber
out of school here and putting her in one that very likely will not be a
permanent school.  We think that this might make things easier for her and
plan to talk to her about it tonight.  Does this sound like a good idea?

p.s.  I see a lot conversation regarding child care.  I feel very fortunate
and grateful that I have someone very close to me taking care of my child and
very sad that I will be losing her.  I am not planning to go back to work for
at least 6 months after our move, but would like to know what kind of
arrangements others have for children Amber's age, especially during the
summer.

Chris


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From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: ! ! ! STOLEN BABIES ! ! !
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:09:37 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
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Keywords: baby, steal, safety, security

I could be wrong but baby-stealing does NOT appear to be a common thing.
The times I _have_ heard of it happening, it has _always_ been a case
of someone abducting the child from the hospital shortly after the birth.

This stands to reason.  Kidnapping is an extremely risky procedure.  

I would relax, honestly.  Abduction by strangers is very uncommon.  I know
what you may be feeling; even though my daughter is almost 6, when she
goes out the door to walk across the street to her friends house 100 feet
away, I watch until I see her go inside.  We live in a very safe area
but there's always a bit of unrestrained parental paranoia in my brain.
But don't let it dominate your life.

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From: shobart@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (Sarah Groves Hobart)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: MUSIC IN LABOUR
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:50:36 GMT
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
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In article <1993Jan8.144143.5507@sq.sq.com> barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows) writes:
>	I doubt if the above will help you decide....some women
>	seem to be able to play championship chess tournaments
>	while in labor.....I couldn't even read the back of a 
>	cereal box.  Your mileage may vary.
>
I beat the pants off my husband in gin rummy while in labor.  The 
strange thing is, he taught me to play that day while I was in labor, and he's
a very competitive player (no, he wasn't letting me win -- if you think that,
you've never seen him play cards).  Darned if I can remember any of the rules
now.

Sarah Groves Hobart
shobart@oracle.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:59:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.204359.28451@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:

>There are plenty of teachers who will teach
>the *words* of the amendments, but will explain away, in typical
>statist fashion, most of the rights that are granted:
                                              ^^^^^^^

Yikes!  I meant "guaranteed" of course!  The US Constitution does
not grant rights, it acknowledges and guarantees rights which exist
as part of the human condition.  The idea that governments "grant"
rights to people (and therefore can revoke them) is in fact a very
dangerous concept, and the Founders knew that (hence the phrase
"endowed by their Creator" in the Declaration of Independence.)

Fifty lashes for me  (Oops, that's cruel and unusual punishment.)

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Followup on My Difficult 2 month old
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:25:02 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
> amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp) writes:

>> The ped was of the opinion to refuse her the breast because I don't
>> make enough milk to be her sole supply, and besides that I need her
>> to take a bottle occasionally.

>For the first issue:  you mentioned in your previous post that you START
>feeding her with a bottle, then nurse.  And now you say that you "don't make
>enough milk to be her sole supply".  I'm not a nursing maven (Kate, jump in
>here anytime :) but I can tell you that your milk supply isn't going to
>increase unless you nurse frequently.

I typed in most of LLL's pamphlet on how to increase your milk supply
and e-mailed it to Amy.  If anyone else is interested in it, please
let me know, and I'll e-mail it out.

BTW, I think Elizabeth needs a new ped.  Any ped who thinks the breast
should be refused to a baby who wants it, and can't tell Amy how to
increase her milk supply isn't going to be helpful at all in this
situation.

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
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