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From: mnash@IDA.ORG (Mike Nash)
Subject: Re: Egg Creams
Organization: IDA, Alexandria, VA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:32:25 GMT

schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
: In article <1992Aug24.214009.23500@speedy.aero.org> nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:
: 
: 
: Egg cream, shmegg cream.  You haven't lived until you've experienced Dr.
                                        ^^^^^
: Brown's Celery Tonic.
: 

I believe there's a small but significant error in your post.  You wrote "lived"
when you meant "died."

How can anybody drink that stuff?
-- 
	  Mike Nash     |  [This Space Available.  Call 1-800-GETASIG]
	  mnash@ida.org |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: On Qadish
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:18:16 GMT

In <goldberg.715363384@techunix.technion.ac.il> goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg) writes:

>What really is beyond my understanding, is that some people fear to say
>Qadish at its place in the prayer when there is no AVEL (mourner). What
>is there i the text of the Qadish that a Jew would not RUSH to spell out,
>rather than fear?

Again, this is a matter of minhag.  In shuls that I have been at of
the sort where all the avelim say Kaddish out loud together, if there
is no avel, there is no Kaddish.  It may well be that the Shulchan
Aruch says to do otherwise, this does not change the minhag.  I'm not
sure that it's advisable to criticize someone for following the minhag
of the community.

Of course there are shuls where the situation of no avel never
develops.  Whenever I drop into (or get pulled into) a shul in Israel
for mincha on a weekday (I don't get pulled into shuls for shacharit,
if I'm up at that hour I'm either on the way to shul already or
asleep.  Or still up from the night before), about half the
congregants tend to be saying Kaddish. I suppose that some of these
people wouldn't be going to shul if they weren't saying Kaddish and
the others are saying Kaddish in place of friends, neighbors, or
family (some other family member ought to say it, but doesn't).

I've also seen shuls where the Rabbi always says Kaddish.  In one I
saw that he had a box of index cards containing Yartzheits in date
order so that if no one showed up to say Kaddish for a person who had
Yartzheit that day, the Rabbi would have the person for whom Kaddish
should be recited in mind when he said Kaddish.

In my shul, if there's no avel (there is currently one avel, and
another man saying Kaddish for a relative who is not a member of his
immediate family), there's no Kaddish.  That's the minhag.  Messages
about how this sefer or that says otherwise will be referred to the
Minhag committee, which hasn't been formed yet.

Likewise, there are two minhagim about what people whose parents are
alive do during Yizkor.  In some shuls they walk out and in others
they don't.
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Woody and Soon Yi
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:55:48 GMT

In <9208211726.AA18081@ptms_dev.sbi.com> gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler) writes:

>I don't think Judaism accepts conversion for the purpose of incest.

However, after conversion, incest is only forbidden d'rabbanan.
Perhaps the prohibition against incest with the adopted children of a
non-Jewish wife is also only a d'rabbanan and after conversion there
is no prohibition at all?

Of course one should consult a competent yenta for advice ...
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: tb13@ellis.uchicago.edu (leon joel gross)
Subject: Re: Mac David
Reply-To: tb13@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:56:09 GMT

In article <92246.222444EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Has anyone ever tried shwarma (sp?).  Well, I can spell it in hebrew but not
>in English.  But then, if you know what it is, you'll recognize it.
>If you don't know: it's lamb meat (I think) on this metal "stick," rotating
>around (vertically) with a flame around it.
>
>It looks disgusting, but tastes great!
>
> Eylon

I like schwarma.  When I was in Israel, I would buy it less often then
falafel, because it was much more expensive.  A couple of the stands 
in the Midrachov in Jerusalem had really good Shwarma.

When I lived near Be'er Sheva with my family, every Saturday night
we would go and eat by buying falafel, shwarma, pizza, corn, etc from
the vendors.  I had a lot of shwarma then.

I think shwarma was originally lamb's meat, but sometime they make it
with turkey.

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
From: wfraker@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: email contacts in Israel
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:54:30 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

A professor here at the University of Toledo in Ohio has a son who
just went to Israel and will be staying there for quite awhile.
He misses him already and is worried how things will go for him
there. He would like to find some network contacts near Kibbutz
Ramat Yochanan or Haifa, who he (the professor here) could send
email to and which could be relayed to his son. The professor
doe s not read this newsgroup so please send any mail to:

Dr. Alan Flaschner
FAC1167@uoft01.utoledo.edu


Thanks!!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Auschvitz and $$$ & The Ontario Press Council
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:48:16 GMT

In article <matthew.715307895@mugga> matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek
Blasikiewicz) writes:

>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

(I compared the percentage of Jews saved in Denmark and Poland)

>Also, it is much easier to save 0.2% of the population of a country by
>hiding them, than it is to save 10%. Don't you think so?

Especially when at all levels there is the desire to do so.

But my point is that ~99% of that .2% was saved.  Attempts to save
Polish Jewry came nowhere near that (even if I accept your .2 and 10
percents and even if you cut my 99%).
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:05:44 GMT

In article <ALLEN.92Aug26163215@golem.ssc.gov> allen@ssc.gov writes:
>
>Further, "Vaydaber Hashem el Moshe Leimor" is often followed by "daber

I thought from this we learn that Vayadaber is Hashem's first name :^)
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:14712 talk.politics.mideast:19051 talk.politics.soviet:7273
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Pointer
Date: 23 Aug 92 03:13:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


Replies to Mr. Mutlu's latest and more outrageous set of lies and
misinformation have been posted to S.C.GREEK and S.C.TURKISH, ONLY.
Those interested in the topic, please look there for the real story.

Those not interested whatsoever in this subject, take heart: In only a
few hours, Mr Mutlu will make sure that you see my postings, Mutlulated
and mis-represented, whether you like it or not. I hope your kill lists
are really hungry. Cute insults and excerpts from his horrow file,
completely unrelated to my postings, will follow.

Oh, Well.

Michael.
From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Torah In A Torah Context (was Re: more of ...can of worms....)
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:23:17 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <BttF8F.29L@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>
>Also, the region where Eden would have to be according to the location
>of the headwaters of the Tigris and Euphrates has been well explored.
>...
>-- 
>Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399


You have it all wrong.

Someone showed me an article in one of the most newsworthy newspapers
in America (it was either the Enquirer, the Star, or Globe - I forget
which), which brings down definitive proof that the Garden of Eden is
in the area of Denver, Colorado. Apparently, they discovered 2
skeletons that appeared to be connected at the ribs, which the
"experts" have concluded defintively were Adam and Eve.  Therefore, the
area in which the skeletons were found, near Denver, must be the
general area where the Garden of Eden is located.

Q.E.D.

Hayim Hendeles
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Egg Creams (was Re: Proof of the Decline and Fall)
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:43:44 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Aug27.125605.27964@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>These alleged "minhagim" are halakhically unacceptable deviations from
>the Oral Tradition.  Egg creams can be consumed outside of NY's Lower
>East Side only after the destruction of the candy stores; since such stores
>still exist, Flatbush egg creams (and kal v'chomer Queens egg creams)
>are in the same category of kodshim outside the azarah, and are categorically
>forbidden.

Oh my!  What is the appropriate T'shuva for preparing (and drinking!)
an Egg Cream in New Jersey?
-- 
   |)  David Charlap           "I don't even represent myself
  /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu   sometimes so NJIT is right out!.
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Egg Creams (was Re: Proof of the Decline and Fall)
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:50:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Sounds like we need to create an EggCreamHedrin to build a fence
round the Egg Cream.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:10:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.135913.25999@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>In article <ALLEN.92Aug27081545@golem.ssc.gov> allen@ssc.gov writes:
>>Ah yes, the infinite depth of learning contained in our Torah.  And
>>where do we learn that HaShem takes `X' when He plays tic-tac-toe with
>>the Jewish people?  As it says: "HaShem O's leamoh ytein".
>  Not to mention tehillim 13:6 (psukei d'zimrah) "I will sing
>  to Hashem because there is a camel on top of me."


And of course, we also learn that even extraterrestrials worship
Hashem, as it is written:

	"Gadlu ladoShem E.T."
-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Egg Creams (was Re: Proof of the Decline and Fall)
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:36:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.204147.14832@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:  

>
>I can't believe it.  Eliot disappears, then shows up just to insult
>all those folks in the Bronx and Brooklyn.
>
>Personally, if you want to esclude the Brons, that's OK.  They talk
>funny, anyway.
>
>But to claim east side egg creams are even half as good as those
>from Flatbush is ignorance at best.

Art is making the standard error of accepting the Written Tradition,
but joining the "Flatbush Reformers" in rejecting the Oral Tradition,
and asserting that egg creams can be made in the Diaspora.  Egg creams
are counted as "metsia's ha't'luyot ba'aretz" "geographically-bound
metsia's).  Once the Flatbush reforms are accepted, there is no end
to the mischief.  It all starts innocently; let's make egg creams
even in Brooklyn, ignoring the Oral Tradition.  Then they use some
generic chocolate syrup, and then they permit the use of club soda,
and, finally, they market the stuff in bottles.  In the end, some
misguided folks can't distinguish between an egg cream and an ice
cream soda sans ice cream!  

Look, if you Flatbush supporters want to start a new kind of 
practice, go right ahead.  But don't try to argue that it's 
as good as the original, or just another legitimate interpretation.
Be honest enough to admit your heresy, and don't expect us _real_
egg cream advocates to accept your pale imitation as equivalent
to ours.

I had written:
>>Tragically, I am convinced that real egg creams can no longer be
>>found, not even on NY's lower east side; sublty antiSemitic
>>health dept. regulations have taken their toll.

Art replied:
>Alas, this appears to be true.  I think the secret was that the
>glass (with Coca-Cola inscribed in white script) has to be swept
>thru a sinkful of used water to rinse it out before being used
>either dripping wet or after being wiped only once with a damp rag
>hanging from someone's belt.  In Flatbush, anyway.

Superficially, this sounds like the way real egg creams are made.
But I'll bet that in Queens, the Neo or Modern or Turbo Egg Creamers
use a fresh cloth every single day.  EEEEECCCCHHH!





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Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A few questions
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:01:15 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <92241.210100EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>
>Note that this is my opinion.  There are those who believe that if one does not
> follow their styles of worship (religiously, of course), then one shouldn't be
> considered a Jew.

No, those people believe that the subject isn't practicing Judaism.
They never deny the subject's Judaism, if he/she was born to a Jewish
mother.  Of course, they may fail to recognize a conversion, but
that's a different story...


-- 
   |)  David Charlap           "TELEPHONE, n.  An Invention of the devil which
  /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu   abrogates some of the advantages of making a
 ((|,)                          disagreeable person keep his distance."
  ~|~                              --- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
From: kahn@troi.cc.rochester.edu (James Kahn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Nazi Camps
Keywords: Responsibility
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:08:55 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Has anyone seen the recent Atlantic Monthly (I believe) article about German
protests against the treatment of Jews during WWII?  The point of the article
is that these protests (and there were only a few, and invariably occurred
only because a non-Jew's Jewish spouse or friend was threatened), were highly
successful at saving Jewish lives.  Therefore, had more Germans protested
what was going on, more lives would have been saved.  Although protesters
were at some risk, I believe none were actually harmed, and their demands
were met.

The bottom line is that to a great extent the people of a country are 
responsible for their government, even a dictatorship.

J. Kahn
From: de@moscom.UUCP (David Esan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:36:18 GMT
Reply-To: de@moscom.UUCP (David Esan)
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY

In article <1992Aug26.230544.18406@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>In article <ALLEN.92Aug26163215@golem.ssc.gov> allen@ssc.gov writes:
>>
>>Further, "Vaydaber Hashem el Moshe Leimor" is often followed by "daber
>
>I thought from this we learn that Vayadaber is Hashem's first name :^)

I always thought that it told us that Moshe's last name was Leimor!

(Of course there is the explanation that Leimor was a mitzvah, but I shall
remain above such base translations.)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: michael@mot.com (Michael Greenberg)
Subject: Re: VCR's Israeli Import Duty
Reply-To: michael@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:45:59 GMT

In article <01GO8402HS5C000BBB@FALCON.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL> <"Mitchell Faust - Adroit Systems -Dayton, Ohio."> writes:

>  My wife wants to take a dual compatable VCR to her parents when
>  she visits Israel this winter.  I know all about the different
>  video standards between the US and Israel.

   A dual compatable VCR will not be able to play NTSC tapes on a
   PAL TV (which I assume your in-laws have), unless the VCR was
   built to play NTSC tapes on PAL TV's.  (These are becoming more
   popular in Israel these days).

   If your in-laws have an NTSC TV, check if it uses NTSC 4.48 (as
   in North America) or NTSC 3.58 (a modified signal which allows
   for cheaper PAL/NTSC TVs and VCRs).  Choose a VCR that outputs
   the correct NTSC for their TV.

>  What I'm looking for
>  are recomendations on a brand of dual compatable VCRs.  I'm
>  paying particular attention to the NTSCs various recording and 
>  playback speeds.  (We once sent them a tape recorded at the 6hr/tape
>  play speed (SP?) and they had a hard time finding anyone with a
>  VCR that could play it back!!)

   Two speed VCRs are becoming more popular in Israel.  They
   play the 2 hour and the 6 hour speeds.

>  ALSO, what will the import duty be
>  on one of these babys.  My inlaws tell me that it is still cheeper
>  to bring a VCR into Israel and pay the import duty than to buy
>  one there.

   I'm not sure of the exact duties, but there is a catch.  The
   amount you pay as import duty is based on the RETAIL price of
   the unit as listed in the duty collector's binder (though you
   can contest the amount).  The amount of duty that the store owner
   in Tel Aviv pays is based on the WHOLESALE price.

An Informations Officer at your local Israeli consolate my be
able to give you more detailed information on duties when supplied
with a make and model that you plan to bring.
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:19:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Herman Rubin uses what I think is the classical sophistry of the rationalists
to enable themselves to pick and choose among the commandments when he
says:

"Reform Jews do not accept the statement that God literally wrote even
the written Torah, so the question of just what is a Divine
Commandment, and what was possibly incorrectly written by people
thinking that that was the Mitzvah which God meant, is an ever-present
problem."

The notion that something as important as a Mitzvah would have been
written down "incorrectly" does not stand the slightest scrutiny
when  one considers that Jews have been observing those Commandments
via continuous tradition; by the time of the destruction of the temple
(so that some could no longer be observed) they had been written
down to codify actual observance. Moreover, the rules for Torah
scribes are so strict that an error which would be propagated
is pretty inconceivable.

The only way Rubin's argument could be valid is there there were a
period when there was no observance, all copies of the Torah
worldwide were destroyed, and then the Torah was reconstructed from
memory. Nobody has ever suggested this as a part of the history of the
Jewish people.

Alternately, one might (but I don't) argue that Moses somehow got (or
allowed the scribes to get) some of it wrong and didn't correct it nor
notice that the practice and the writings didn't match. That kind of
hubris is analogous to saying "I don't choose to observe Mitzvah
X because I (ME, THE GREAT MYSELF) have decided that Moses had it
wrong (or allowed it to be written wrong)." I think not.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: htoyryla@ntc01.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Why was Tanya printed around the world
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:22:29 GMT


The bi-lingual edition of Tanya from 1981 includes a list
of Dfusei Tanya, or the printings of Tanya. On the list there
are editions printed in most major cities of the whole world,
during the Jewish years 5738 and 5739. I would be interested
in hearing more about why the book was printed in almost
every country in the world.

Hannu


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