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From: slp66@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: C.J.Cherryh: The Company Wars
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:49:59 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

> I have found out from the poster that she did not ask the permission of
> the author (or publisher) to post this material, or the other material
> she wants to send you.  She's another of those net.neos with the fairly
> standard misunderstandings of copyright.  (She quoted the standard
> misconceptions to me, "I didn't charge anybody", "The author won't mind", along
> with "it's out of print." and claimed that "you americans" [I'm not one in
> the coloquial sense] don't know these basic copyright facts.  Where do we get
> these people?)
> 
> So everybody should delete this article out of respect for Cherry(h).
> -- 
> Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366

Gee, Brad, I'm glad you are here to protect us from evil people like this
poster.  Without people like you telling me what to think, I don't know I'd do. 
While I respect the thought that one shouldn't violate copyright, your arrogant
presumption in dictating to me what I should and shouldn't do is very
misplaced.

Matt



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From: ACSOP25@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Lance Davis)
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Subject: FEIST QUESTION
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:42:06 GMT
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I have just recently discovered the work of Feist and I really enjoy the 
books I have read.  I have already read Magician (Apprentice and Master),
A Darkness at Sethanon, and Silverthorn, my question is this.  Should I read
Prince of the Blood before the stuff he did with Mrs. Wurts or can I hold off
on reading the "...Empire" books.   Also, if anyone has read the new one he
has out "The Kings Buccaneer" or something, what should I have read before
going into that one.  This may be a weird type of question, but I don't want 
to miss anything.  I normally read in chronological order but the books set
in Kelewan don't interest me.  Maybe I am missing someting in those books,
are there any characters I would know.


HELP ME PLEASE!!!!!!!!

The Confused One
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From: eliz@ai.mit.edu (Elizabeth Willey)
Subject: Re: An Almost Entirely Pointless Recommendation
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<ZMB=Vw=@engin.umich.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:34:02 GMT

Dan Tilque wrote:
   >
   >Poul Anderson has written a fair amount of stuff (both fantasy and sf)
   >in the style of Shakespeare.

R o d Johnson replies:
   Really. . . ?  (We really need a "bemused interest" punctuation mark.)
   Can you name a few?  I have to think you (and Curtis) mean something
   different by "in the style of Shakespeare" than I'm imagining, but
   either way I'm curious.

The most obvious Shakespearean Anderson is, of course, _A Midsummer
Tempest_, but _Operation Chaos_, _Three Hearts and Three Lions_, and
much of the space-opera (not the heavy-duty stuff, the fun ones) are
barded well with the Bard's influence---and with Elizabethan-to-Restoration
influences generally.

Read Anderson aloud.  He often writes in meter or even rhyme when he's
coming over all Shakepearean.


Elizabeth Willey
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From: gmills@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (MILLS G - CHEMICAL ENG.)
Subject: Plot Identification?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:36:55 GMT

I'm hoping somebody can help me identify an old sf (novel? short story?)
plot that I heard a while back.

The story goes that the secret of interstellar travel is actually
incredibly simple and most cultures/planets discover it long before the
internal combustion engine.  (ie. knock together a wooden box, coat it
with tar and explore the galaxy!)

The action of the story occurs when the current rulers of the galaxy (a
bunch of fluffy t-bears armed with flintlock rifles) arive on Earth and
get a big surprise...

Sounds like a Hoka book but I don't think it is...any ideas..?

Thanks...

homemade sig
gmills@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca


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From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Walter Jon Williams
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:10:13 GMT

In article <4NOV199221521912@rosie.uh.edu> st1rk@rosie.uh.edu (Maxwell, Darin) writes:
>I've seen people mention the works of Williams, but noone ever mentions
>the one book of his that I have read. I intend to read others, but I
>really enjoyed _Aristoi_ and wonder if anyone else did.

 I like his books a lot but the book you mention is Hardcover. As I am a
student (like many others here), I can't spend $23 on a single book that
isn't for a class and that is only a novel. IT is a crime but I don't make
that much money. It looks excellent and I was sorely tempted to buy it
hardcover (the last novel I did buy hardcover at full price was
_Angelstation_ by him). When it comes out in paperback, then I will read it.

Wassail,
Al

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From: harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Zak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Shadow Rising (Spoilers)
Keywords: Just a Thought.
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:47:46 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <1992Nov3.224820.24147@alchemy.ithaca.ny.us> cpf@alchemy.TN.Cornell.EDU (Courtenay Footman) writes:
>Also, nine of the Forsaken have been
>accounted for (4 dead).  Where might the other four be?  The
>Borderlands?  Shayol Ghul itself?  The Seanchan homelands?
>The unknown lands to the East?  Any thoughts, anybody?

No idea, but it may be worth mentioning that the unknown lands to the east
I *think* contain Aes Sedai...Moiraine mentioned something way back at the
end of EotW.  Curious.

--
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Seattle University ----------------| |---------  Wolf's Eye,
Seattle, Washington ---------------| |---------  than cross an
USA 98122 -------------------------| |---------  Aes Sedai."

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From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Spider Robinson's latest
Date: 6 Nov 1992 23:47:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I'm a big fan of Spider Robinson's writing, but I just read his
latest book, LADY SLINGS THE BOOZE, and was rather disappointed
with it.  It was a sequel to CALLAHAN'S LADY but did not match
up to the original.

For that matter I'm a bit disappointed that all of Spider's
recent books have been sequels or spin-offs of earlier books.
I wish he would come up with something entirely original.
Anyone else have any knowledge of his future writing plans,
or comments on his stuff?

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction & Fantasy SIG
ID  aa396
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From: garrett@cs.rochester.edu (Bill Garrett)
Subject: Re: Tim Powers, Deity extroidinaire
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:32:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov06.094810.7094@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>I would suggest:
>	
>	The Anubis Gates -- probably his best.  Hard to put down
>	The Drawing of the Dark -- Very high adventure, battle of good and
>				evil, but taken with humour.
>	Dinner at Deviant's Palace -- disturbing but good.
>
>I enjoyed, but not as much, On Stranger Tides and The Stress of Her Regard.
>That may be my SF over fantasy prejudice (although Drawing is fantasy) but it
>shows how much I like Powers to say I read his fantasies.
>
>	Forsake the Sky is not up to scratch.  I think it's a pre-first novel
>	that he redid and got published after he became famous with Anubis
>	Gates, but I could be wrong.
>-- 
>Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366


Not quite.  Forsake the Sky was originally titled The Skies Discrowned and
published by Laser Books along with An Epitaph in Rust in the mid seventies.
When Powers got more successful he revised both and retitled the one.  I
do agree that they aren't terribly good.
-- 
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University of Rochester		UUCP: {decvax,rutgers}!rochester!garrett
Rochester  NY  14627		VOX:  (716) 275-5605
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: _Swordspoint_ by Ellen Kushner
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:38:27 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov13.050448.2705@u.washington.edu>  
sannuti@math.washington.edu (Arun Meda Sannuti) writes:
> 
> 	Just an opinion, but _Swordspoint_ by Ellen Kushner is one of
> the best fantasy books I have ever read.  Highly recommended.

Agreed. It is very good.

> 
> 	I don't want to talk about it, since saying anything would be
> giving something away, but the writing is very good.  (It should  
be,
> since she is a literature prof. at Northeastern University.)  

I don't think this is right. Ellen is, among other things, a host
on a public radio station.  She may teach a class from time
to time, but she isn't a literature professor last time I looked.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: Sharon Green
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:38:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.222156.23298@ils.nwu.edu> blum@ils.nwu.edu writes:
>She is a real person, and she is a woman - I've met her.  I haven't
>read any of her books (or Norman's), so I can't comment.  Maybe she
>writes the Norman books as well. :)

I've met her, too. When I asked her about the rape in her books, she 
appeared not to know what I was talking about. This non-plused me to
the point where I dropped the subject.

Nancy Lebovitz
nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu


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From: rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes)
Subject: Re: Stephen Brust's best
In-reply-to: jkiparsk@reed.edu's message of 10 Nov 92 01:17:21 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
	<1992Oct31.171309.12717@mailer.cc.fsu.e
	<1992Nov9.005012.12808@eecs.nwu.edu> <1992Nov10.011721.28438@reed.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:43:30 EST

In article <1992Nov10.011721.28438@reed.edu> jkiparsk@reed.edu (Jonathan Kiparsky) writes:

>In article <1992Nov9.005012.12808@eecs.nwu.edu> ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland) writes:
>>I'd be interested to hear how many people feel that the Vlad Taltos
>>books represent Brust's best.  I'd say that "To Reign in Hell" is his
>>best by quite a long shot.
>
>Personally, I think The Sun, The Moon, and the Stars is far and away his best.

And I found it to be utterly pointless and a complete waste of time.
Just goes to show what a meaningless question this is.

I've enjoyed the Vlad books most, with Teckla a good couple of notches
below the rest; The Phoenix Guards next; thought Cowboy Feng was OK and
To Reign In Hell pretty good; didn't think a lot of Brokedown Palace
but will probably reread and re-evaluate it sometime; put The Sun...
at the bottom of the heap. But who cares?

--
- Rich Holmes
"In general, the dance music of P.D.Q. Bach -- although we have no
 documentary evidence of this -- suggests that one of his legs was
 shorter than the other." -- Prof. Peter Schickele
From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: K. Kurts "The Adept" series query
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:47:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
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In a previous article, jan@netex.netx.com (Jan Wiles) says:

>Hi, folks...can anyone tell me when the third "Adept" book is due out,
>and what its title is?

I believe that it's due out next year, and that the title is "The
Templar Treasure".  It involves a Templar cross once worn by Bonny
Prince Charlie of Scotland.  

(From an interview with Katherine Kurtz to appear in a future issue
of CYBERSPACE VANGUARD.)

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From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter)
Subject: Re: Plot Identification?
Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:30:28 GMT

In article <BxKpHL.Cxp@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, gmills@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (MILLS G - CHEMICAL ENG.) writes:
|> I'm hoping somebody can help me identify an old sf (novel? short story?)
|> plot that I heard a while back.
|> 
|> The story goes that the secret of interstellar travel is actually
|> incredibly simple and most cultures/planets discover it long before the
|> internal combustion engine.  (ie. knock together a wooden box, coat it
|> with tar and explore the galaxy!)
|> 
|> The action of the story occurs when the current rulers of the galaxy (a
|> bunch of fluffy t-bears armed with flintlock rifles) arive on Earth and
|> get a big surprise...
|> 
|> Sounds like a Hoka book but I don't think it is...any ideas..?
|> 
|> Thanks...

I remember this one. It was in Analog about 1983. The conquering hordes
have developed a technique of meeting up above one of the target planet's
poles. If a few go to the wrong pole, a messenger is sent to find them.
No radio. They refer to the human's weapons as 'stitching guns'. If I have
time I'll try and look out the author this weekend but... No promises!

   Alan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
To arrive at the simplest truth, as Newton knew and practised, requires years
of contemplation. Not activity. Not reasoning. Not calculating. Not busy 
behaviour of any kind. Not reading. Not talking. Not making an effort. Simply 
bearing in mind what it is one needs to know.

   George Spencer-Brown, Laws of Form
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: kernell@cs.odu.EDU (Robert W. Kernell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: re: books with swords
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:18:42 GMT

try E. R. Burroughs's mars series.
From: harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Zak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: The Wheel of Time Series (spoilers)
Keywords: Spoilers
Date: 14 Nov 92 00:25:14 GMT
Organization: Seattle University

In article <1992Nov11.210117.5326@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>mlebrun@bss2.umd.edu (Mike Lebrun):
>
>See above.  Morrainne and Elayne are Damodreds; Rand isn't.

How is Elayne a Damodred?

--
Daniel John Kelly-Harrity ---------| |--------- "Sooner spit in a 
Seattle University ----------------| |---------  Wolf's Eye,
Seattle, Washington ---------------| |---------  than cross an
USA 98122 -------------------------| |---------  Aes Sedai."

  "Welcome to All Things Scottish...If it's not Scottish, It's *CRAP*!"
From: erekosse@usl.edu (Erekosse, Magelord of Amber Keep)
Subject: Re: SF Book Stores?
Summary: NYC SF book stores
Keywords: bookshops
Organization: The Company of the Amber Gryphon
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:54:47 GMT
Expires: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 06:00:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.204210.6345@socs.uts.edu.au> morgan@socs.uts.EDU.AU (David Morgan) writes:
>For science fiction/fantasy fans there is the Galaxy Bookshop here in Sydney,
>Minotaur in Melbourne and Forbidden Planet in London.  Can someone tell me 
>what the names and addresses of similar bookshops are in: LA, New York,
>Washington and/or New Orleans.

In NYC, there are two Forbidden Planet locations.  If I remember correctly,
one is fairly close to the village: on Broadway and somewhere around 7th.  The
second is farther uptown, I think its somewhere up in the 50's.  57th strikes
a responsive note for some reason, but don't hold me to it.  I'm also pretty
sure it's east of Park.  It's been a few months since I've been there.

                           David Kerven
			   dsk@usl.edu

Member (good standing) Nonsequitur Society of America: 
              We may not make sense, but we have outstanding parties!
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From: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian)
Subject: Re: Who is Dave Duncan
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:26:46 GMT

Dani Zweig asks:

Is the Dave Duncan who wrote "The Seven Swords" and "A Man of His Word"
the same David Duncan that was writing sf in the fifties and sixties?

The answer is no...and that's why Dave Duncan goes by Dave and not David. The
elder Duncan is still alive, I believe; Dave Duncan tells me they met not too
long ago. Dave meanwhile is a Scots-born Calgary resident, a former petroleum
geologist who found himself laid off during the last recession, turned to
writing, and became a sudden marvel of productivity...about 14 novels sold
since 1987, if I've kept accurate count. And they're good stuff, too.
--
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North Vancouver BC Canada V7J 3H5
Usenet: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca
Internet: ckilian@first.etc.bc.ca
From: humphrie@SSC.WISC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk request
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:14:25 GMT

jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com (Joel Finkle) writes:

>Bruce Sterling very nicely gave away a ... Cyberpunk Library list ...
>[at Magicon] Authors he recommends include Pat Cadigan, Lewis Shiner, John
>Shirley, Tom Maddox, James Patrick Kelly, Lisa Mason, Neal Stephenson,
>Walter Jon Williams.

All those choices are good, but I've recently read Neal Stephenson's
new novel _Snowcrash_ (a Bantam Spectra Trade Paperback), and loved it.

Stephenson satirizes current trends into a near future where the only things
the US excels at are software, movies, and <30 minute pizza deliveries. 

The basic unit of economic organization is a franchise: your subdivision,
your jail, and your pizzaria. Stephenson compares franchising to viruses:
a franchise set up is a set of symbols and instructions, the logo and 
the manager's proceedures manual.

That's the link to the main plot, a media giant is using a virus to 'tame'
programmers, and as docile as pizza delivery drivers.

The global sweep of this book, taking place in LA, the Pacific Rim, Cyberspace
and ancient Sumeria, is reminicent of Sterling's _Islands in the Net_, but
when Stephenson gets into his satirical grove, he can get sustaned 
comedy which most writers can only pull off in short stories.

Yeah, there's an ugly expository lump in the middle, but I can ignore that,
and give my recommondation for this book.

Bill Humphries
Department of Economics, UW Madison
humphrie@ssc.wisc.edu
From: MCLARENC@CRL.AECL.CA ("Chris C. McLaren")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Julian May: Anthology? Sets?
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:35:38 GMT

STARMONT HOUSE offers hardcovers of the P.E. series, as well as the
P.E. Companion and Intervention. They are not discounted, and are not
Starmont Books, which leads me to beleive the family must be involved in
Starmont.

I'll post the address tonight if no one beats me to it.

Chris McLaren, Freelance Pallbearer
mclarenc@crl.aecl.ca
"...resigned to raise glasses in anonymous cafes..."
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: varley's steel beach
Date: 6 Nov 1992 00:21:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


I bogged down around the middle of "Steel Beach" and didn't get
it finished before I had to return it to the public library.
Up to the point I reached, Varley seemed to be describing his
lunar society as being basically depressing and futile;
unfortunately, the book came across the same way.

However, if others recommend the latter part of the book, I may
get hold of it again and finish it.

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Science Fiction & Fantasy SIG
ID  aa396
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Gor Considered Thoughtfully --- an analytical essay
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:40:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.1drgioINNiht
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1jPmLP#1JgFR74LSpf97kj1JV30N4rp=esr@snark.thyrsus.com>  
esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
> (Evidence?  For (1), the fact that there *is* a heterosexual SM  
subculture
> in which the roles are male-master/female-slave.   For (2) I have  
only my
> own experience and cultural folklore.  I suspect every heterosexual  
male
> must have experienced times when his partner clearly wanted to be  
be
> *taken*, sexually dominated and swept away.  More about this  
below.)
> 
> IMHO, Norman's error is also twofold.  His *logical* error is to go  
from
> observing that such behavior is *common* among humans to a claim  
that the
> underlying instinctive and psychosexual pattern he posits is  
*universal*,
> healthy, and only suppressed by our `diseased' cultures.
> 

His third major error (related to point 1) is that he doesn't 
realize that this works in reverse about 
as often. I can take your sentence and reverse
male and female (or change "his partner" to "he") in it and it is 
equally true. (That is: "I suspect every heterosexual male must
have experienced times when he clearly wanted to be *taken*, 
sexually dominated and swept away.")

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Brunner (was Re: _Islands_in_the_Net_)
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:09:26 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov06.133918.9772@bnr.uk> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan  
Carter) writes:
> In article <1dc00iINNbn9@agate.berkeley.edu>,  
curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
> |> In article <1992Nov5.161342.422@math.ucla.edu>  
dstein@vesta.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:
> |> >
> |> >   Have you read "Universe" by RAH?  Give it a try and tell me  
if the 
> |> >   idea behind the story had nothing to do with the story being
> |> >   (presumably) a good read.
> |> 
> |> I'm not an RAH fan, but in my (wayward) youth I read most all of
> |> his stuff; presumably that was among them.  But I can't place
> |> it by the title.
> 
> Perhaps this is "Expanded Universe"? If so, it is a major  
re-working of
> his much earlier "Worlds Of Robert Heinlein". It is about 3 times  
the size.
> It was only published a couple of years before his death.

No, "Universe" is a novella by Heinlein. It is the first
half of the "novel" Orphans of the Sky.

To respond to the first poster: idea can have something to
do with a good read, and in fact often does. However, a good
idea is neither necessary (there are a number of good books
that aren't idea-driven) nor suffient (there are a number of
awful books based on inventive ideas).


--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
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