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From: lort@fraser.sfu.ca (Charles Lort)
Subject: Re: Anyone want to buy a used country?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:34:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.015612.13315@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:
>jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:
>>
>>AS for the delays of waiting in lines for toll booths: this is a 
>>red-herring.  Complete non-issue! There are a number of systems 
>>being tested where you put a sticker or something on your car, 
>>and a scanner at the toll booth deducts the toll as you go by.
>>No waiting there. (testing in Houston I think)
>
>If technology can improve the quality of life to allow a user-pays
>shift, I'm all right with that ... but if you ever interview at IBM
>Research or Bell Labs and sit around a toll booth like I have, then
>you'll know what I'm talking about.  I don't know how bad the traffic
>tie-ups across the Lions Gate Bridge is, I know that one of Canada's
>few toll booths are located there (i.e., that's how few toll booths
>we have up north -- I have to talk on a federal scale).
>
HELLO!!! Where have you been?????   There haven't been any toll booths on the 
Lions gate Bridge for somewhere between 25 to 30 years.  The traffic tie-ups on the bridge are simply a result of selfish yuppie show-offs who are more concerned with their image than they are with the quality of air which we used to enjoy
on the West Coast.  If they keep it up we might as well move to L.A. where they really know how to produce air pollution.  I would love to see toll booths and forget making it easy, the longer the tie-ups the more reason there will be for
people to use public transport.  Why should it be easy for the selfish and difficult for those who care???  What is really interesting is to watch the buses.  
Those out of North Vancouver are jammed as they cross the bridge; West Vancouver buses actually have space left to sit.  Kind of tells you something about those with more money than brains.

lort@sfu.ca	BREATHE EASIER!!  PARK YOUR CAR AND TAKE TRANSIT!!!!
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: viking@bnr.ca (Harold Henriksen)
Subject: Anyone want to buy a used country?
Reply-To: viking@bmerh66.bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa, Fibre Systems Development
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 13:22:20 GMT

With the latest report on trapnsportation costs and user pay, the government
has really gone off the deep end.  Basically, their suggestions would amount
to the death of transportation in this country at all levels.  Road costs 
would go up 7-23 cents a litre.  But business would swallow the costs right?
I mean since rail is going fast where it isn't already gone, what choice do
they have?  Oh, I forgot, they could get out of the country.  Not a bad business
choice since the middle class is fast disappearing and will have no discretionary
income to buy anything - even if they have jobs left.  There are, of course, the
rich and the politicians.  Of course, the rich can afford tax shelters and the
politicians can just raise their tax-free allowance.

The problem is, of course, the country is running out of money.  No money for
social programs except for politicians' pension plans.  No money for investment
in infrastructure - except penitariaries in Baloney's home riding, a Canadian
space agency in Montreal, a naval reserve headquarters in Quebec city, etc. (I'm
sure there are other examples in other parts of the country but I have no examples
at hand).  No money for educational investment except education on the constitution
and what a great job the Tories are doing.  No money for culture except salaries
for the Tory appointees.  No money for job training but that's okay since
there aren't any jobs anyway that require training.  No money for health costs
but that's okay since there's no discretionary income for the sins (luxury food,
booze, tobacco, etc.) that cause health problems and what the hell, we're all
going to die anyhow.  No money, in fact, for anything but expensive studies that
tell us we have no money and polls to let the Tories know what a great job they're
doing.

What's the solution?  The bottom line seems to be that this country is living 
beyond its means.  To be blunt, we frankly cannot afford to be a country.  The
only solution seems to be to sell off our assets so - anyone want to buy a slightly
used country?
--
Harold Henriksen                    Bell-Northern Research
email: viking@bmerh694.bnr.ca       Ottawa,Ontario,Canada 

Pillaging and plundering were more fun than programming!
(Opinions are not my employer's and sometimes not mine)
Xref: sparky can.politics:9846 soc.culture.canada:8685
From: 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Virginie's TV violence petition
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:57:03 GMT
Organization: University of Western Ont, London

> In article <Bxz3xn.1zu@DMI.USherb.CA>, paien00@DMI.USherb.CA (Nick) writes:

(quoting myself here :-> )
>>In Montreal few people would go to war over sexy signs advertising "danseuses
>>nues" (that doesn't include City Council). Few people complain about the 
>>amount of sex in programs like Lance et Compte or Les Filles de Caleb (which
>>had a record 3 million audience watching one night). If you told a Quebecer
>>that sexy signs or a near naked Mitsou causes men to go and rape women, they
>>would laugh in your face. So why the f**k would people make the
>>same infantile conclusion regarding violence on TV.
> 
> Is sex scenes suppossed to be violent????
> 

No, you have not read this correctly at all. Lance et Compte did not cause
the rape of women any more than the A-Team or Wile E Coyte is responsible for
the death of Virginie's sister.


> It's not because you don't have any effects on violence that everybody
> is like you! Face it there's a lot of weirdos out there and God knows
> what they can do when they see images of an heros who's shooting
> everybody???? 

Yeah, there are "weirdos" everywhere and TV caused all of them to go and rape
and kill, right? That's like Hitler blaming Jews for Germany's economic woes!
(ou Duplessis et les communistes!)


>>     No, and anybody who thinks otherwise is ignoring the real causes
>>of violence in North America. 
> 
> witch is????
> 

Upbringing, violent homes, poverty...... stuff that has been around a LOT 
longer than TV (TV didn't start World War I either).

> 						Nick

-- 
John P. LaRocque
vader@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario


"Urk..urk..."
"Apologies accepted, Captian Nida", Darth Vader
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Subject: EEE Senate (was: Reform Party)
	<1992Nov22.224410.1@uwovax.uwo.ca>
	<1992Nov23.041508.8561@csi.uottawa.ca> <schuck.722548753@sfu.ca>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:42:20 GMT
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
X-Posted-From: byron.sp.cs.cmu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <schuck.722548753@sfu.ca> schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck) writes:


   >The Reform Party, in seeking ways of "balancing" the Central Canada
   >majority, is trying to sell reforms which are NOT democratic when
   >considered at the Federal level, but which seem "pretty good" in that
   >they would (at least in theory) give power to people that have been
   >traditionally under-represented.

   >Unfortunately, the proposals are neither democratic nor "federal," EEE
   >being a good case in point.

   A Triple E Senate is the very *essence* of federal democracy.

   In the US the Senate is equal [ actually more equal in some instances]
   with the House of Representatives.

The US Senate resulted from a compromise at the Second Constitutional
Convention.

   In Australia, the Senate is equal with the House of Commons.

   In a *federal* democracy, their are two *equal* houses, one based on
   equality of the people, and one based on equality of the
   Provinces/States.

Here are two exception I found after 10 minutes of research.

The Upper House of the German Federal Republic does not represent
every state equally (smaller states and city-states having fewer
states).  The Upper House of the Austrian Federal Republic is
rep-by-pop (its members being elected by the unicameral provincial
legislatures).

   When Central Canadians say the Triple E Senate is *not* democratic and
   *not* federal, what they really mean is they are greedy assholes who
   have no intention of ever giving any real power to the other provinces.

I have no problem with a EEE Senate, so long as it can be introduced
without increasing the anti-federalist feeling amongst Quebecers.


--
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School of Computer Science		UUCP: 	     uunet!"clamen@cs.cmu.edu"
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From: warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: Deception
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:35:49 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne---Laboratoire de
	Teleinformatique
In-reply-to: plahaie@gel.ulaval.ca's message of 16 Nov 92 18:40:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.184039.15536@cerberus.ulaval.ca> plahaie@gel.ulaval.ca (Pierre Lahaie) wrote:
> MAUDIT que je suis decu de ce pays qu'est le Canada. Si ce que j'ai lu aujourd'hui
> dans ce groupe (can.politics) est representatif des gens qui l'habitent.

C'est une grave erreur de prendre les personnes qui s'amusent dans les news pour
des gens representatifs.

> ... certains ne peuvent comprendre que le francais doit etre protege et 
> que les quebecois ont peur de se voir assimiler.

Il y a beaucoup de gens qui le comprennent tres bien, meme Steve Potter.
Par contre, on ne comprend pas les moyens que vous avez choisis pour defendre
la francophonie canadienne.  Pourquoi est-ce necessaire d'humilier les
quebecois anglophones?  Mais ceci est un autre debat.

>  Certains proferent des menaces
> advenant l'independance du Quebec, ...

Les menaces n'ont aucun valeur et les gens qui les offrent ne sont que des
types minables.

> "If you want to be respected, stop saying stupid things"

Ces gens ne cherchent pas le respect; ils cherchent la provocation.
En quelque sorte, ce sont les "cranes-rases" du can.politics.
On peut reprocher aux independantistes extremistes de les avoir
crees, tout comme on peut reprocher aux racistes du Canada-Anglais
d'avoir crees les independantistes, etc.  Le probleme avec ce
raisonnement est qu'on s'enfonce dans un circle de reproches sans
fin.  Il vaut mieux l'eviter.  Le Yugoslavie nous offre une histoire
avertisseur.
--
Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
                 Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Hurtig's New Party
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: can
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:11:57 GMT

In article <17620@mindlink.bc.ca> Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:
>The Globe this morning reports that Mel Hurtig is planning to launch a new
>political party advocating Canadian economic nationalism and an end to free
>trade. Can anyone supply more information on what this party's plans are?
>(Those lacking such information can still supply opinions, I'm sure.)
>

Although I disagree with Hurtig's economics, (it is rather naive to
believe that Canada can dictate the rules of international trade to
Japan, Germany, and the USA), this is a good development, because
Hurtig has infinitely more intelligence and integrity than most
NDP'ers and Liberals.

The reality is that we have to play on a playing field ultimately
designed and marked by the economic superpowers, and the economic
nationalists fail to realize this, but Hurtig will at least make
the economic nationalist case in a much more coherent way, and
he is a democrat bent on democratizing our government more than
it is already, and I wholeheartedly support that...even if I
disagree with his economics.

Gerald

Newsgroups: can.politics
From: marky@engin.umich.edu (Mark Anthony Young)
Subject: Re: Definition of/d'un "Quebecois"
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:10:23 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: can

audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>A "quebecois" is simply a Quebec citizen. Anyone legally a Quebec
>citizen.
>
>PS: It helps if that person thinks of hiself/herself as being a
>quebecois.
>
Two things:

I don't think there is such a thing, legally, as a Quebec "citizen".
There are Quebec "residents" and even, under the voting law, something
like an "ex-patriot", but no citizenship.

And if there is/were something like a Quebec citizenship, what would
it help for a person to think of themself as a quebecois?  After all,
it would be a simple matter of legality -- "Papiers, Monsieur?"

Est-ce que tu parles avec vos amis de ce quebecois fou Steven Potter?
Ou parles-tu de ce maudit anglais Potter?

Si on parle de Evan Leibovitch?

Pierre Trudeau?  Brian Mulroney?  Jean Chretien?  Antonine Maillet?

Il y a, peut etre, des degres de quebecois?

...mark young
Xref: sparky can.politics:9937 soc.culture.canada:8786
From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: English education and ANGLO WHINERS
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:39:43 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
X-Bytes: 468

From article <1992Nov23.144718.12483@spxtech.qc.ca>, by steven@spxtech.qc.ca
 - I said:

> Read Bill 101, chapter vii.

I meant, of course, chapter viii.

sorry.


-- 
  ///==================================================================\\\
  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: Quebecker (was Re: Definition of/d'un "Quebecois")
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:42:04 GMT

In article <13567@audetf> audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:
>
>I don't mind. I don't like the sound of the word "quebecker". It's my
>opinion. It sounds like "quebequeux" to me.
>

Prefererais-tu Quebecer?

Dans les histoires fantastiques ou les noms des heros sont inventes
pratiquement a partir de sons et non de mots existants, la lettre
K est plus souvent associee aux mechants (les Klingons, par exemple).
On a aussi le KKK.  Le K est aussi une lettre pratiquement etrangere
au francais (en fait, on trouve des noms d'endroit en K dans les
regions de France qui ont ete francisees tardivement comme la Bretagne).

Le K serait-il pejoratif de facon subliminale?

Ah oui, j'oubliais ...   :-)   :-)   :-)   (parce que tout ca n'est pas serieux)


-- 
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 /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
\_.-===  Ope'rateur de "Racines du Que'bec" (514) 922-9636 BBS/Genealogie
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Anyone want to buy a used country?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:23:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.132220.21720@bmerh85.bnr.ca> viking@bmerh66.bnr.ca writes:
>With the latest report on trapnsportation costs and user pay, the government
>has really gone off the deep end.  Basically, their suggestions would amount
>to the death of transportation in this country at all levels.  Road costs 
>would go up 7-23 cents a litre.  But business would swallow the costs right?
>I mean since rail is going fast where it isn't already gone, what choice do
>they have?  Oh, I forgot, they could get out of the country.  Not a bad business
>choice since the middle class is fast disappearing and will have no discretionary
>income to buy anything - even if they have jobs left.  There are, of course, the
>rich and the politicians.  Of course, the rich can afford tax shelters and the
>politicians can just raise their tax-free allowance.
>

You misunderstand the report...the net cost of transportation is not
going to change...it is just that the report recommends that more of
the cost be born by the user and less by the taxpayer.

For example, why should property tax or income tax pay for highway
construction...we should just put up toll booths on the highway.

That is the spirit of the changes it seems the report is recommending
from news reports.  It seems like it also is recommending carbon
taxes...the NDP and Liberals are pretty much for carbon taxes, and
other such user pay environmental taxes.

I'm reserving judgement on the report until I know more about the
details, but some steps towards transferring the costs to users
and away from the taxpayer does make some sense.  However in terms
of strategic long-term planning of the transportation infrastructure
of the country, I really can't see how governments can avoid being
somewhat involved.

Gerald
Xref: sparky can.politics:9864 soc.culture.canada:8712
From: paien00@DMI.USherb.CA (Nick)
Newsgroups: can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Virginie's TV violence petition
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:21:39 GMT
Organization: Ascot Boyz - ANS Reader - BB #1

4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) a ecrit:
>> In article <Bxz3xn.1zu@DMI.USherb.CA>, paien00@DMI.USherb.CA (Nick) writes:
>
>(quoting myself here :-> )
>>>In Montreal few people would go to war over sexy signs advertising "danseuses
>>>nues" (that doesn't include City Council). Few people complain about the 
>>>amount of sex in programs like Lance et Compte or Les Filles de Caleb (which
>>>had a record 3 million audience watching one night). If you told a Quebecer
>>>that sexy signs or a near naked Mitsou causes men to go and rape women, they
>>>would laugh in your face. So why the f**k would people make the
>>>same infantile conclusion regarding violence on TV.
>> 
>> Is sex scenes suppossed to be violent????
>> 
>
>No, you have not read this correctly at all. Lance et Compte did not cause
>the rape of women any more than the A-Team or Wile E Coyte is responsible for
>the death of Virginie's sister.
>

How do you know??? You're probably right but are you sure???

>
>> It's not because you don't have any effects on violence that everybody
>> is like you! Face it there's a lot of weirdos out there and God knows
>> what they can do when they see images of an heros who's shooting
>> everybody???? 
>
>Yeah, there are "weirdos" everywhere and TV caused all of them to go and rape
>and kill, right? That's like Hitler blaming Jews for Germany's economic woes!
>(ou Duplessis et les communistes!)

No but just if it would be to save ten or one it would worth it! You
could live without A-Team or Wile E Coyte and there's is probably many
shows that are not on the air beause they're judged too violent! Are
you upset by them??? No because you don't know they exist... it would
be the same...

>Upbringing, violent homes, poverty...... stuff that has been around a LOT 
longer than TV (TV didn't start World War I either).

So if we have some problems we should not be able to solve some
others???

But anyways... I mean and you know it there's nothing that will change
for a long time... The Governement will not do anything anyways. So
you'Re going to be able to watch whatever you want and the weirdos who
REALLY get upset by the TV will continue doing what they do...


-- 
						Nick
  - Ce n'est pas parce qu'une rumeur ne tient   
     pas debout... qu'elle ne peut courir !
From: ddjohnson@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Council of Canadians
Date: 21 Nov 92 19:38:00 -0800
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In 1985 that old Tory war horse Dalton Camp bet Mel Hurtig a bottle
of Scotch that Mel's recently launched group, the Council of Canadians,
wouldn't last ten weeks. Seven years later, Mel is still waiting for Camp to 
pay up!

The Council of Canadians has been fighting to preserve Canadian sovereignty
ever since. In general terms, this can be conceptualised as a fight against 
the BFTA and, currently, NAFTA. It was the (then) proposed BFTA that 
Hurtig organised against. Mel is currently the honourary Chairperson; 
Maude Barlow is the Chair.

We are an apolitical and non-profit (but not tax creditable) organisation.
We are dedicated to the defeat of the Mulroney government, not because they are 
Conservatives, but because Mr. Mulroney sold Canada out to the USA.

"Free trade affects Canadian sovereignty, and we will have none of it,
not during leadership campaigns or at any other time".
-Brian Mulroney, Federal Progressive Conservative Leadership Candidate, 1983.

Wow! Brian lied eh?

DDJ
-------------------------------------------------------------
Doug Johnson			"You never can predict the weather."
Smithers, British Columbia	Q, Star Trek, TNG. 1992.
CANADA
Newsgroups: can.politics
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Subject: Re: Plan S -- Quebec separation
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:42:09 GMT

In article <schuck.721723283@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>
>Whats friendly about secession? It usually turns into civil war.

So, was there a civil war during or after secession of
- Singapour?
- Czequy (sp?)/Slovaquia (soon to be former Czecoslovaquia)?
- Australia/New Zealand/Canada most other former British colonies?
- Baltic countries?

Civil war depends on a lot of factors.  Level of "modernhood" is one,
politicians is another.

>You haven't been listening. :)
Did you?

>They weren't elected with a mandate to secede. They promised to hold a
>referendum, did so, and lost.

Thanks to billions of $ (in 1992$) in advertising and propaganda.
Actually, in the recent referendum campaign, the only time I heard
about economics was by the Quebec NON camp.  Fed is spending a lot
of money because of hijacking provinces powers.

>Please do. Make my day. Then Canada can get with the job of saving itself.
>We can't if you stay. It's too expensive economically and politically.

Felix Leclerc wrote something like that:
The day Quebec will go on her own, the first one that will come to
felicitate and begin negotiations for trade exchange will be our
Canadian (future) neighbors.

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 /   \   Ge'ne'alogiste des familles : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Que'bec renouvele' dans une Ame'rique renove'e
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From: v_vinog@pavo.concordia.ca (VINOGRADOV, VLADIMIR)
Newsgroups: can.jobs
Subject: Cnadian engineer looks for job in UK, Europe, Russia
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:10:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
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