HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Philadelphia gets bicycle cops.
Keywords: Yay!
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:57:50 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

samjones@carina.unm.edu (Pipps the Odious Mr.) writes:

> In article <Aug.26.19.04.58.1992.14183@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.ne
> >Well, the local paper here [south Jersey] ran an AP article on Philadelphia'
> >new bicycle police unit... just the facts:
> >
> 	Albuquerque has four bicycle cops (one is dating my neighbor, so 
> they're around my house a lot).  I was skeptical at first, but it seems 
> to be doing well.  Like Philidelphia, we started with four, but I heard 
> we're training eight more.
> 	If bike police are doing well here, they must work well
> anywhere.  Albuquerque is anything but a bike town.  They're a really
> good idea in the big eastern cities.

Heheheh... I can imagine it right now... Philly's Highway cops (whose
uniforms, if you haven't seen 'em bear a striking reseblence to, well, I
guess you just gotta see em :) ) pedalling furiously...

giggle.
	-steve


.............................................................................
          tredysvr!cellar!swinokur -or- swinokur@cellar.uucp -or-
                          GEnie: S.WINOKUR  -or-
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: Chainring bolt patterns (WAS: Crank arm length)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 20:26:47 GMT

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
: If memory serves, Eddy Merkx rode a double chain ring with 52-48
: and a four speed freewheel with two 14's and two 17's. This was so
: he could have a 14 and a 17 in both rings without cross chaining.

I've heard this before, but have never seen any supporting evidence.
All the pictures I've seen from his Faema and Molteni team days show
equipment more like 42-53, with 13-21 to 13-26 six speed freewheels.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles
From: jpalmier@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Jim Palmieri)
Subject: Re: Wheel truing I need advice
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:59:22 GMT

The price is reasonable but you should learn to do it
yourself.  It really is not difficult.  Ask someone in a local
bike club or the ownre or mechanic of a bike shop to teach you
how and then do it yourself.  Practice on other peoples wheels
such as weekend riders, you will get practice and help them
out.  Before doing all this read a few general biccycle repa{ir
books on truing wheels.  Jim Palmieri
-- 



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Here at the fountain's sliding foot,
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Grumble!
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:12:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.232150.13134@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
>The new r.b.* newsgroups are all functioning well except this one,
>which many people seem to be treating as the replacement for the old
>rec.bicycles.  For example, I find multiple postings on the following
>misplaced threads.

You were warned about this, Les, during the discussion period.  You
were warned.  :-)

Even so, for me, this is a great improvement.  After having
unsubscribed from the old rec.bicycles because of the volume of stuff I
wasn't interested in, I'm now happily reading .rides (hey, a ride
report from Pamela!) and .soc.  Having to read .misc as well, when time
permits, for the misplaced threads is not a bad price to pay.

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Recumbents (was Re: Cycling Gives Me A N
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:20:57 GMT
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)

In <1992Aug31.104330.25467@ericsson.se> etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif) writes:
>Of course, another question is if you REALLY want to be more visible,
>given the kind of attention some have reported from beer-chucking
>rednecks. :-(
> Torsten Lif

	Well, i'll tell ya what.  THERE are an awful lot of recumbents in
this town.  I tend to notice them more, but am also hanging out with people
who ride them.  So Im not terribly worried bout the beer-up-chucking rednooks,
and I dont think i'd ride one outside NYC on long rides.

-- 
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* Danny O'Bedlam  = dfl@panix.com = cmcl2!panix!dfl = Danny Lieberman *
* PO Box 3131 Church St Station, New Yawk, New Yawk, 10008-3131 (usa) *
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:42:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I think you guys are responding to the wrong thing. There is
no question that an adult riding on the correct side -- _with_
traffic -- is the reasonable and proper thing to do.

There was a comment that parents were fostering improper beliefs
in their children by allowing or even telling them to ride their
bikes against traffic.

Children younger than perhaps 16 probably are not in the catagory
of bicyclists (I guess the logic here is that if you ride, you're
a bicyclist?), but more along the lines of pedestrians because of
their speed.

I don't have the figures with me right now, but the transportation
book I had showed bike accidents broken into three groups: Those
under 16, those between 16 and 21, and adults. Suprisingly only some
40% or so involved children and a full _46%_ were adults!!! So
over half of all bicycle accidents, contrary to other reports, were
adults or young adults. And roughly half of those reportable bicycle
injuries were single vehicle accidents.

Furthermore, there were on the order of 850 fatalities each year
from bicycle accidents vs. the 50,000 per year in auto accidents.
So one would probably assume that there isn't too much wrong with
present adult education of children in the proper usage of
bicycles. After all, there are more people killed each year by
bathroom accidents.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ken@visix.com (Ken Mayer)
Subject: Re: My Pants Leg is Dying...
Reply-To: ken@visix.com
Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, VA
	<66803@hydra.gatech.EDU>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 18:33:53 GMT


-->On 25 Aug 92 12:35:07 GMT, ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (Bruce Mccullough) said:

 Bruce> I say to hell with it ride nude!! That ought to be good for a
 Bruce> lot of looks and laughs (nothing personal). Might get a couple
 Bruce> of tickets but might be worth it. Nude riders unite and fight
 Bruce> against chain ring paint tear!!

OUCH! Considering where I ride, I might give the cattle of few
thrills! Just imagine the sun burn!!! Not to mention the bumps and
bruises in those particularly private places ;-)

Ken
--

Ken Mayer (ken@visix.com)
Visix Software Inc./703.758.8230
  Bene Vivere Ultio Optima --- Living Well is the Best Revenge
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: leg shave shacks
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:49:02 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I don't shave my legs because I think it looks more manly to
have a tangled thatch of black hair hideing the scars of past crashes.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: Brake squeal! Auggghhh!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:07:51 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc

In article <17gic2INN6u2@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu>, sdoran@wyatt.ksu.ksu.edu
(Steven Marcotte) wrote:
>
>
>   I've got Trek 850 that has a very distinct problem.  When ever I apply
> the back brake, even slightly, it makes a very loud squealing.

Take it to a bike shop.

They will charge a minimal amount of money to do the the job right
(properly adjust the brake shoe toe-in) You may require new brake shoes
($3-$6 a pair).

Clean the bike before you take it in. Mechanics hate to work on greasy
dirty bikes. They may even do the adjustment for free -- it's pretty minor.

  --scott
From: asrbh@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: MTB ratio advice wanted
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:25:20 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

In article <1992Sep3.220522.2580@colorado.edu>, doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight) writes:
> 
> I have the choice of a 12-26 or a 13-28 block for my mountain bike. The 
> front rings are 46,36,24. 
> 
> I like the 46-12 gear for the road but i'm concerned that the 
> 24-26 gear will not be low enough for the steepest, loosest, most technical
> trails (which is really what the bike is for). Bear in mind that lots of
> MTBs hav a 30 tooth ring at the back.
> 
> Which block would _you_ choose? 
> 
> Douglas

Definitely the 13-28 cassette.  Gives you a 22 inch gear.  Still a bit high
but close enough.  I run a 21 inch and generally run out of traction before
leg power (old set of hardpacks 2.2").  Use the formula (FrontTeeth*Wheel
Diameter)/RearTeeth to give "gear."  This is the size of the effective
tire that you are turning, eg. a 22" gear is effectively a 22" diameter
wheel attached directly to your cranks.  Switching to a 32 tooth rear 
only takes you down to 20 inches.  After that you need a smaller 
chainwheel.  

Randy
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Subject: Re: extinction (was: Re: Saddle sores)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:01:58 GMT

weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:
<about road bike STI shifters>
: How do they fare in crashes?  That's another worry I would have.

Quite well in my experience and that of others I've observed.  I fell
twice on my Dura-Ace STI and they didn't suffer any functional
impairment.  Another rider around here had STI levers that looked like
they had been through a war, but still worked fine.  The fact that they
can move sideways seems to help prevent major damage.

The one crash/STI related problem that I experienced occurred when a
crash on the left side yanked the cable hard enough to pull the front
derailleur downward on its brazed-on attachment, causing the derailleur
to start hanging up on the large chainring.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
From: rgo@druhi.att.com (Ron Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Mountain Bike Magazines
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:25:54 GMT
Reply-To: r.g.olsen@att.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Denver CO

I subscribe to Mountain Bike Action, Mountain Biking,
Bicycle Guide, and Bicycling Plus Mountain Bike.
Here's my opinion of each:

Mountain Bike Action:
	Good, honest reviews of bikes and equipment.
	They will pan a bad bike, telling you exactly what's wrong with it,
	even if it's built by a company that's a major advertiser.
	Great ads for mail-order outfits; the one magazine
	to read if you're in the market for bike components
	and want to buy them as cheaply as possible.
	Slightly irreverant, gonzo outlook; they call their test
	riders "the Wrecking Crew".

Mountain Biking:
	Used to be Mountain and City Biking.
	No mail-order ads; supports local bike shops.
	Good articles on riding technique by John Olsen,
	a trials rider.
	John sometimes writes engineering-oriented articles
	on frame materials, suspension, etc.
	The weakest writing of the bunch; frequent typos
	and grammatical errors.
	Decent bike and equipment reviews, but soften their criticisms.

Bicycle Guide:
	Good bike and equipment reviews, both road
	and mountain.  Will test several comparable bikes,
	and follow the test reports with a "Blatant Opinions" section in
	which each reviewer picks his/her most/least favorite bike.
	Good previews of next year's components from Shimano, SunTour, etc.
	No mail-order ads.
	Has the best writing (by Samuel Abt and others)
	on the road-racing scene.

Bicycling plus Mountain Bike:
	The "plus Mountain Bike" supplement is definitely
	worth the extra cost if you're into off-road riding.
	The Bicycling section covers mountain biking to some extent,
	but not as thoroughly as the "plus Mountain Bike" supplement,
	which has:

	Good equipment reviews by John Kukoda.
	Good articles on riding technique and
	great places for off-road riding by Hank Barlow.
	Good bike maintenance articles by Don Cuerdon (Captain Dondo).
	A Passages section in which readers describe their
	favorite off-road rides.

	A few mail-order ads appear in the Bicycling section
	(Excel, Colorado Cyclist).

My favorites are Mountain Bike Action and Bicycling Plus Mountain Bike.
Bicycle Guide is good, but has fewer pages per issue.
Only get Mountain Biking if you get the other three first.

	Ron Olsen
	Boulder, Colorado
	r.g.olsen@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,de.rec.fahrrad
From: bchivers@tailor.mitre.org (Brent Chivers)
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Organization: The MaiTai Corp, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:08:49 GMT


In article <1992Aug28.171025.12647@cbfsb.cb.att.com> weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt) writes:
 >
 > It really annoys me when people say they don't want a road
 > bike because it won't handle the roads they ride on.  If you
 > can't handle some gravel or dirt with 700x20 or 23 tires....

For me the problem is potholes and other severe pavements.
You can't always maneuver in traffic.  Fatter (not necessarily
knobby) tires save me a lot of rim kinks.
-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brent Chivers		McLean, VA		bchivers@mitre.org	

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight)
Subject: MTB ratio advice wanted
Reply-To: doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:05:22 GMT


I have the choice of a 12-26 or a 13-28 block for my mountain bike. The 
front rings are 46,36,24. 

I like the 46-12 gear for the road but i'm concerned that the 
24-26 gear will not be low enough for the steepest, loosest, most technical
trails (which is really what the bike is for). Bear in mind that lots of
MTBs hav a 30 tooth ring at the back.

Which block would _you_ choose? 

Douglas
From: akkana@netcom.com (Akkana Peck)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: MTB: Re: Frequency of flats
Keywords: latex
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:49:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Speaking of frequency of flats, it's gotten rather thorny on the local
trails lately.  I'm getting good at tube changing; still, it would be
nice to have a better resistance to thorns without having to put up with
a lot of excess weight (now that I have a nice light Al frame).

A friend/riding partner recently bought a pair of latext tubes for his
MTB.  They're quite expensive compared to butyl tubes, but they're
supposed to be more resistant to flats.  But I asked a road-biking friend
about latex tubes, and he thought that they were *less* resistant to
punctures, though lighter than butyl.  

What's the scoop?  Is it that latex tubes in 700C are super-thin for
lightness, whereas latex tubes in 26" are thick for puncture resistance?
Are the MTB latex tubes worth the extra money in terms of toughness?
Is there a particular brand that's tougher than the rest?

	...Akkana			akkana@netcom.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: dinsmm@rs6416.ecs.rpi.edu (Michael Dinsmore)
Subject: Re: Mountain Bike Magazines
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:22:59 GMT

aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson) writes:
>Bicycling plus Mountain Bike: Bycycling is an entertaining magazine with
>a little bit for everyone, including recreational mountain bikers.
>I read this at the librar; unfortunately they don't get the "Mountain
>Bike" supplement, is this any good?  Subscription price is a bit
>steep ($29.95 for 10 issues, but you get 2 magazines essentially).  Any
>way to just get the Mountain Bike insert?  Bicyling magazine itself
>is more geared towards road bikes.

Greetings -
I have a subsription to Bicycling plus Mountain Bike.  I like the
magazine, but I am unhappy with the small size of the supplement
mnt. bike part.  I find myself buying the current issue of MBA
anyways.   While it is good, I do not plan on renewing my           
subscription once it expires.

Note: This attitude is from someone who loves to ride, but is also 
      looking for a new bike, so I tend to want to maximize the 
      number of reviews on new bikes, as well as articles.

Regards,

/\/\ike |\
        |/insmore         dinsmm@rpi.edu                  vote!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:41:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.022150.13573@athena.mit.edu>
karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath) writes:
 
>>
>I commute on a hybrid.  It is easier to control in traffic because you
>are not hunched over drops.  The only thing I would change for longer
 
This is often given as the main reason for wanting a hybrid- and yet I
would argue that drop bars are neither less comfortable nor less
controllable than flat bars. Notice how many hybrid and MTB riders
are looking for extensions to come up with more hand positions (see
following:)
 
>rides is to have some sort of bar extensions that give me more varied
>hand positions.  This is lacking on standard mountain bike type bars.
>I also use more aggressive tires in the winter (700cx35), while in the
>summer I put on 700cx28 road tires.
>
>Karen Walrath
>MIT
>
This sort of fits the idea that a hybrid is a road bike with flat bars and
larger tires. I ride a road bike everywhere the road is paved, and used to
commute regularly on one. I do have a "hybrid"- but it has drop bars, and
I only use it for rough roads and mild off-road.
 
I certainly don't want to tell anyone what to ride, but for those who
haven't made up their mind, I'd just like to dispute the notion that a
city bike has to have flat bars and knobby tires. I think the ideal city
bike is what *used* to be imported into this country as the standard multi
speed bike from France: Drop bars, fenders, a nice big seat bag and fluffy
27x1-1/4 or 700x35 tires. Add a Pletcher rear carrier and a pair of leather
panniers and you're in business. Functional, and practically theft-proof ;-)
                                --mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: Riding a MTB in sand
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:30:32 GMT

In article <19894@drutx.ATT.COM> r.g.olsen@att.com writes:
>|> I had a suggestion from someone that I should try to control the squirm, once I
>|> start to squirm it goes where ever the sand takes it. I've tried to control the
>|> squirm but I usually end up stalling or digging myself in deeper.
>
>MTB sand-riding tips:
>
>1. Lower tire pressure - 20 to 25 psi.
>2. Fatter tires - 2.2" to 2.5" width are best.
>3. Weight a little back - let the front tire surf and not dig in.
>4. Use a low gear (1st or 2nd) and keep pedaling at all costs.
>5. Actively saw the handlebars back and forth when
>   the bike starts squirming; don't try to control the squirm.
>6. Keep your speed up when entering a sandy stretch; momentum helps.
>
>	Ron Olsen
>	Boulder, Colorado
>	r.g.olsen@att.com

I did real well until the very last, I came down the hill at about 20 mph. I
hit the sand went 200 feet slowed to a halt when the back wheel buried itself.
I had only fifty feet more to go. It seems that this is where all the sand
tend to settle after a rain storm so it is quite deep. also attempting to avoid
the branches makes life interesting at the very least.

Thanks NJC

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Subject: MTB Rental List for SF and Marin County
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 22:00:14 GMT

Date: Sept 4,1992

MTB Bike Rental List for SF and Marin County

SAN FRANCISCO

Park Cyclery
MTB Brands: GT, Iguana Giant
Cost:$5.00 an hour
1865 Haight street (at Stanyan)
751-RENT
Hours: 9:30-5:30 (M-F)

Marin Mountain Bikes
(Yes, there is a "Marin" store in SF) 
MTB Brands:Bridgestone, Trek, Marin
Cost:$25.00 for 24 hours
633 Townsend St. at 7th
861-4004
Hours:M,TU,W,F 11:00-7:00
      TH       11:00-8:00
      SAT      10:00-6:00
      SUN 11:00-5:00

MARIN COUNTY:

Caesars Cyclery
MTB Brands:Diamond Back, GT
Cost:$6.50/hr; $30/8 hrs; overnight add $12.50
29 San Anselmo Ave
San Anselmo
258-9920
Hours:TU-SAT 10:00-6:00
      SUN    11:00-5:00

Far-go bike Shop
MTB Brands:Diamond Back, Specialized, Nishiki
Cost:$25 a day
194 Northgate #1 Shopping Center
San Rafael
472-0253
Hours:MON-THURS 10:00-6:00
      FRI       10:00-8:00
      SAT       10:00-6:00
      SUN       12:99-5:00


Ken's Bike and Sport
MTB Brands:Mongoose
Cost:$7.00/hr; $20/day
94 Main Street (Downtown Tiburon)
validated parking Main street lot
435-1683
Hours:Everyday 9:30-6:00



Wheel Escapes
Mountain Bike Rentals and Touring
MTB Brands:Specialized
Cost:$21/day (Hard Rock); $29/day (Rock Hopper Comp);
     $39/day (Stump Jumper)
1000 Magnolia Ave
Larkspur, CA 94939
461-6903
Hours:M,W,TH,F 10:00-6:00
      SAT,SUN   9:00-6:00
     
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: madine@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (G. E. Madine, AT&T-BL/AL, cbnewsm.)
Subject: Re: Riding on the wrong side (was: Ignorant Cyclists...)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:48:03 GMT
Summary: Pot calling the kettle black

In article <1992Aug28.143359.21906@galois.mit.edu>, robertb@tarski.mit.edu (Robert Becker) writes:
> In article <q4j-YD=@engin.umich.edu> blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark ) writes:
> >say something a bit more caustic, like "Wrong side of the street you idiot!".

My tactic too.  You can't be too harsh when dealing with these dopes.
At the very least, they will be motorists soon.  Driver exams are easy
enough in the U.S. for anyone to pass.

> ... [ obnoxious behavior by poster story deleted ] ...
> 
> Common untruth held by many parents, who then pass it to their kids:
> bicycles should ride against traffic.  Why?  Because they can see the
> cars coming.  Of course, nobody thinks of things like closing speed.

A common "untruth" debunked by an also common, but also "un-true"
premise.  Of course, (lower) closing speed is not a valid argument
for riding with traffic.

> ... [ more offensive story deleted ]...
> 

Gary E. Madine, Allentown, PA
gem@aloft.att.com


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: NEW vitus 979 57cm blue w/warrantee
Date: 26 Aug 1992 02:11:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: concertina

In article <BtJz3I.J2L@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>>ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) is selling: 
>In (Thomas H. Kunich) is correcting:
>
>Oh, joy.  It starts.  This is at least the 3d misposted-by-group
>article I have seen.  Not to count the 2 crossposted articles on
>racing and selling.  All in the first day of use.

Until all the new groups propagate (or whatever it is they do),
not everyone is going to have access to them.  r.b.misc looks
like the least bad fit for a lot of posts until things settle
out.

How long will that be, btw?

>Ah, joys of the split.

Of course, once things have settled out (say in a couple of
months) there shouldn't be more than, say, fifteen or
thirty mis-posted articles per day in any given group.

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