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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:04:06 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Why is Graham a wimp?
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On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:33:10 EDT, "Karen Kay" <ll23@nemomus.bitnet> wrote:
> Whatever Marilyn says...I didn't hear him retract.  The woman who
> interviewed him the first time was about 12 years old.  He's really

Karen, even the most PC radfems would probably allow you to call
a 12 year old female a 'girl'.  Woman just doesn't sound right...

G
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:50:16 EDT
From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Goodwill
              29 Jul 1992 12:41:00 EDT from <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>

Gilbert,
  I love Goodwill, too.  About a week and a half ago, I found a Welsh
T-shirt with a Celtic dragon on the front.  It's now my third favorite
T-shirt (Words-L first, and Marvin the Martian second).  I also buy a
lot of books there every weekend.

Evelyn
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:55:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sea World (was re: Gleanings (54
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> .love, judith, (Now We Are Six(ty-ish))
>                           ^^^^^^^^^^
> no way! here's someone jumping the gun ... couldn't possibly
> be as illustriously aged as even is ggs the colonel.
>                                         (who claims 54)
> don                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's the <gospel truth>, at least for the next 48 days.
--ggs (wondering how he got to be colonel......?)
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:34:06 CDT
From:         Personal name not set <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      IRC tonight
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If anyone's interested, there will probably be a #bandwidth channel open tonight
in the IRC.

-abh
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Date: 29 Jul 92 14:46:04
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In-reply-to: Adam Hartfield's message of Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:49:00 EST

Adam ponders:

   --Adam "Why didn't Dad keep his '73 Olds 98 Regency for me?" H.

My grandmother has an Olds Delta 88...I think that's the name...you may
have mistaken it for a tank as you watched the bombing of Iraq on CNN...

//anne, how 'bout a convertible bonneville with seats that suck you in and
never let you go//
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:54:15 -0500
From:         "Pat Gathright" <patg@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: My Mac can do these...
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	My Mac can do some things my PC can't and my PC can do some things
my Mac can't. So to answer the question of which machine is better -- "it
depends."
	I started using a PC in 1984 and switched to a Mac in 1989. At this
very moment my Mac is my favorite. I guess I don't understand the
single-mindedness of some people to think that one machine is superior to
all others. I guess the beauty of the machine is in the eye of the beholder.
--patg
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:17:41 EDT
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Quote

The wise man carries his possessions within him.
                         - Bias of Priene
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:36:29 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: WHTMIT
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> $15,000 to spend on a car?

$15000 buys a *lot* of taxi, bus, train and plane rides.  So does
<$15000 - final selling price + running costs>...

G (who thinks owning cars is one of the most antisocial things you
can do on this planet)
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:28:19 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: How's Adbam doing/ EAT
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  I just *cant* make myself say it.  Somebody else
> will have to.  -abh knows what it is, I'll bet.
> --ggs

But giggles, -abh hasn't been around for eversolong. I'm beginning to
think she must be out planting grass and flowers on the interstate.
Doris
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:14:30 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: birth order
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On Wed, 29 Jul 1992, Adam Hartfield wrote:
> >I was rereading _The Birth Order Book_ the other day, and just wondered
> >how many other wordslers are serious, dependable firstborns?
> >ndh (who would have much preferred to be a second child)
>
> My sister Karen, who is the firstborn, is very serious and
> dependable.  What does it say about others?  I'm the fourth and last
> in my family.

I'll have to go and look it up...I paid closest attention to the first and
second children, since both my husband and I are from two-child families,
and have two children, as do each of our siblings.
ndh
From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: Sea World (was re: Gleanings (54))
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:09:51 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

The first time i saw dolphin on a menu down here, I felt sick.  i still
feel sick, but short of boycotting all the restaurnats, I don't know what
to do about it.  

--bayla (who doesn't buy redwood anything, either)
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:26:43 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Sea World (was re: Gleanings (54))
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On Tue, 28 Jul 1992, Natalie Maynor wrote:
> we then digressed to labels on tuna fish cans -- yes, people around here
> always use the "fish" in that expression, except when talking about fresh
> tuna).

Of course they do...so do I.  And I can't help wondering if they were
allowed to drink milk with tuna fish or any other fish....I grew up
believing something really terrible would happen if you drank milk with
seafood.
ndh
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Which large or unabrdg dictionary ...
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:46:23 GMT

Anne D +? writes:

>Binding thoughts, eh?  OK:

>Rice.  Bananas.   Cheese.    And if all else fails:
>Kaopectate.           :-P

I'd rather be sick than take Kaopectate: plain "oxidized apple" was always
a treat, though -- you cut up an apple pretty fine, and let it get borwn in
the air -- that's the 'pectate' part, anyhow, and tastes a *who* lot
better.

--bayla
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:01:45 CDT
From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>
Subject:      Meta-reality
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>value......"    BTW, I would say the same about the PC's answer to
>the MAC....  those little ole <windows>......


This week's mac The Knife column in MacWeek rumors that a version of Insignia's
SoftPC is coming out RSN that will enable Mac users to run MS Windows on the
Mac! ROFL!!! What a trip.

-abh
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:26:49 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Bickering
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ENUFF AWREDDY!!!
ts and ggs - who *used* to be two of my favorite people on this list - chew
the peace gum (since smoking is bad for you, right?)
If you can't shake hands and make up, at least ignore each other and get on
with fun and words.
Doris
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:37:46 EDT
From:         Frank <ST403231@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      All right, gang...
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Frank here, announcing that I am about to leave for the wilds of upstate
New Yawk for two weeks*.  I'm going to teach in a seminar at the place where
I used to go to school before I happened upon Camp Bruno.  I'll be in a
rather rural area, far from fresh bagels and decent coffee (I've bought
some to take with me...after all, I do have *some* standards).  Worst of
all, I will be without access to any net, be it Inter- or Bit- (not to
mention Use-, which hasn't been working here in a long time in any case.)

I'll see you all (well, virtually, see you) in about 2 weeks.  For the
meantime, I'll give you the instructions Natalie would give in a case
like this.  Don't say *anything* interesting till I get back.

Till next time.
Frank

*aren't you relieved, Elaine?
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:21:14 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject: Re: quick answer needed...help
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> Rather than saying...

"Fainting with damned praise?"

G
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:02:29 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: The Problem *IS* With DV!
              29 Jul 1992 23:14:48 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:14:48 CDT Natalie Maynor said:

>Now the big question is whether to go on and get os/2 (plus some more
>RAM) right away or wait until the new, supposedly better version of os/2
>comes out in September(?).

Almost certainly it'll be cheaper to buy it now (at the Windows upgrade
price), put it on the shelf, and then pay a small charge for the upgrade
that's rumoured for September.

Warning just in case: you *must* have a 386 or better machine to run OS/2
2.0.  It will not run on a 286 (well just long enough to tell you it
needs a 386).

Tony H.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:47:23 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      WH e Re: TMIT a Re: you?
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>From: Joan K West <jkw1@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
>
>Hello.  I'm here.  Wherer are you???

A rather funny coincidence - I'm here too. There is something about this
city - which is Chicago, by the way - which induces in me a distinct feeling
of hereness whenever I am here. One might say that this is what just about
every place does to just about everyone, but believe it or not, that's not
true!

Well, so here I am in what might very creatively be called the windy city,
and right now right here right in the middle of summer the whole lakefront
is being whipped by rain and winds and it's colder than the coldest that
Bombay can ever be.

Whenever this happens, my mind goes back willy nilly to the happy days I spent
in the rain-drenched city of Bombay and the maddening beauty of its floods
and its sewers, stopped trains and open manholes, street urchins frisking in
the street-side lakes miraculously sprung overnight and people taking out the
gondolas from the dusty recesses of their attics to launch them from the top
floors of their buildings, and a million other minor scenes and little details
forming a touching nostalgic collage, and the heart fills to the brim, like
the gutters, with wistful yearning.

Ah, well, no use soliloquizing about it. I am facing the new challenge. Only
thing to do, heck.

tushar
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 08:22:30 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: No Picture of Giggles (was Re: Eating Whales)
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> Everyone should know that natalie has pulled a <boo-boo>, because
> I have *seen* these pictures and I am very clearly in one of them...
> That is, if you consider my profile from the ears back to be
> "a picture of giggles"........  better than <not extant>, for sure.

But those gorgeous eyes weren't present.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:24:30 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: <sigh>
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              21 Jul 92 13:05:00 -0400. <9207211708.AA26583@sics.se>

  >Well, lemmesee.... it means, uh....  "an instrument for providing
  >pleasure to children, an instrument having no apparent utilitarian
  >value......"

  A weird definition! What does lack of utility have to do with toyishness?
What has greater utilitarian value than toys?

Quoting webster:

1toy \'to[0xC7]i\ n
[ME toye dalliance]
(1500)
1 obs
a :flirtatious or seductive behavior
1b: PASTIME; also: a sportive or amusing act: ANTIC
2a: something (as a preoccupation) that is paltry or trifling
2b: a literary or musical trifle or diversion
2c: TRINKET, BAUBLE
3: something for a child to play with
4: something diminutive; esp: a diminutive animal (as of a small
     breed or variety)
5: something that can be toyed with
6 Scot: a headdress of linen or woolen hanging down over the shoulders
     and formerly worn by old women of the lower classes
-- toy-like \-,l[0xF5]^-k\ adj

2toy vi
(1529)
1: to engage in flirtation
2: to act or deal with something lightly or without vigor or purpose
3: to amuse oneself as if with a toy: PLAY
syn see TRIFLE
-- toy-er \'to[0xC7]i-er\ n

3toy adj
(1806)
1: resembling a toy esp. in diminutive size
2: designed or made for use as a toy <a toy stove>
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:45:00 EST
From:         GINNY LUNT <VLUNT%DREW.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Lunch mischief (was:Re: Reading manuals)

In article <tfilt284974@drew.edu>, ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM writes:

> Why, Adam!  I'm SHOCKED!  Just because Ginny's library trainee Karen
> had this sickly "get me the f**k outta here" expression on her face?
> Just because a 48-year-old man and a woman younger than that (but both
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You got away with that one with some sensitivity ... thank you.

> of us old enough to be your parents!) sat around trading double
> entendres like we were Valmont and the Comtesse?  Hey, that's what
> happens to us old farts when we don't get our vitamin supplements and
> saltpetre...                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^^^

So that's what it is we aren't getting!

>
> Ken
>

Well, it was fun anyway, even if Karen may never eat with us again.

Ginny
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 07:25:00 EDT
From:         ktw@HLWPK.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Craftsmanship revisited?
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>having appeared in _Off in Zimbabwe_. But it's always a kick to be
>included with the likes of Ray Carver, Carolyn Forche, Richard
>Brautigan, Jamaica Kincaid, Tim O'Brien, Joyce Carol Oates---and
>John Updike.

Holy cow (saith Phil Rizzuto).  Many congratulations, Rod.

Ken
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Date:         Sun, 26 Jul 1992 16:09:30 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Amateurs????
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OK, it is time for me to show my ignernce once again, but I'm counting on
you kind people to educate me.

I thought the Olympic teams were composed of amateurs - people who do not
get paid for playing their sport.  So what are Magic Johnson and Michael
Jordon doing in the Olympics?  When did the rules change?
Doris
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:23:00 CDT
From:         Bill Sjostrom <TA0WXS1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Speech codes

>enough to cause any more damage.  And maybe he'll get careless,
>inadvertently end up as a college president, and get shot by some
>Serb, who will have one less bullet to shoot a civilian.  Cheerful
>me, ever the optimist,
>                            Bill Sjostrom

That sounds odd because of a goof.  I meant to say "a college
president in Croatia or Bosnia"
                        Bill
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:04:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: WHTMIT
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> No it was an MGA (that was one of my credentials and the porshes were not
> 914s but the bathtub like speedster and a C).
>
> just to set you straight
> don

Ooohhhhhh.  I thought you were talking about *my* credentials, which
were an MGB and a 914 and a Sunbeam Alpine.....  I get so confused
because I will only be 54 for 48 more days.
--ggs (straight as an arrow if I remember correctly.....)
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 00:19:26 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: birth order
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              92 8:14 pm

	Serious and dependable might get contested, but I am the
firstborn.  First grandchild, also.  Raoul is the last of ten.
What does that baby book say about our relationship I wonder..

Czarina
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:26:00 CDT
From:         Bill Sjostrom <TA0WXS1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Here we go again (was re: CNN)

>before the play is over, right?  Once into that shit last year, if
>Bush had allowed Schwarzkopt to finish it instead of just being
>content to score political points, we would not be here now.
>I'm looking at my 14 year old kid, wondering how many times we
>can rerun this bloody farce, and wondering if he will have the grades
>to get into McGill....
>Ken

I do wish Ken could explain all the political points Bush scored by
not taking the war into Baghdad.  And although I really hate to pull
Ken out of his comfortable '60s cocoon, I will be mean and remind him
that we do not have a draft in the U.S. and that the talk of going
back to the draft died after the volunteer army got good in the '80s.
                                    Bill Sjostrom
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Date:         Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:04:04 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Reading manuals
              24 Jul 1992 16:07:00 LCL from <Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM>

On Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:07:00 LCL <Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM> said:

>     While we're on the subject of documentation, I have a question
>     for you guys.  What's the best manual you've ever used, and why?

Without question, IBM System/370 Principles of Operation (order number
GA22-7000).  This seemingly bizarre choice is the machine reference
manual for the S/370 architecture.  It describes exactly what the machine
does - in readable English prose.  I have *never* had a question about
the architecture that I have not been able to find the answer to quickly
and efficiently in this book.  And it's readable as a novel (well - 1/2 :-) )
too.  It is superbly indexed, has programming examples (including things
to avoid), and overall has the flavour of a well written (and well
reasoned) legal decision.

On top of all this, it manages to cover all machines in the S/370 line
from those introduced in 1970 to those of 1985 vintage.  Imagine the
Word Perfect manual correctly and readably covering all releases
of WP that ever have been.

All in all an astonishing work.  Sadly it is inaccessible to most readers
because of the specialized nature of the subject matter.

Tony H.
(And there are new and almost as good versions for newer IBM architectures)
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:44:16 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: WHTMIT

On Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:57:00 PST Lobstrosities Unite said:

>If you're looking for the best value for your 15,000, look at a Ford Taurus,
>Honda Accord, or Subaru Legacy/Loyale.  You really can't go wrong with any of
>them, even the Taurus (I'm not an American car fan, especially Ford, but the
>Taurus is an exceptional car).

I found it amusing at the Clambake to find that we Canadians had the
Taurus while the majority of the Americans there had Japanese cars.
Was that Price with the other (white) Taurus ?

Of course we wouldn't have a Taurus if DEC didn't insist that company
cars must be Made In USA.  But in fairness, Barbara's 91 Taurus DEC-Wreck
is pretty good.  My 87 Taurus Formerly-DEC-Wreck is a clunker.  I've
spent more than what I paid for it on repairs (but then I did get
it for an exceptionally good price).

Tony H.
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: aggravation
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:12:36 GMT



>What ARE you these days, Bayla?

>dan

Independent, and aggravated.  

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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:23:33 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Subarus
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              92 3:01 pm

	My last car was a little 83 Subaru GL wagon.  I *loved* the
thing.  Totalled it last summer when I got run off the road.  I slammed
into the sidewalk, bounced off a tree, and slid another 3 yards sideways.
All in all a pretty spectacular accident.  The car crumpled underneath,
but I didn't have so much as a bruise on me.  My best friend Paula heard
about it and brought me down a kitten that day (Thalia), then Nico
took me out to Tosci's icecream, so it wasn't a total loss of day, even
if I didn't have collision and it has taken me a year to save up for a new
one.

Czarina
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