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From: CMDONA00@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Christine Donahoe)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:30:02 GMT
    <1992Oct4.171542.16866@spdcc.com> <ykdp-t#@lynx.unm.edu> 
    <1992Oct5.155605.7735@cs.rochester.edu>
Organization: University of Kentucky

In article <1992Oct5.155605.7735@cs.rochester.edu>
fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
 
It seems to me that, given the fact that attention problems do exist,
the most important thing when treating a child (or an adult for that matter),
is to keep trying until you find the solution which works for you and that
solution is not going to be the same for everyone.
 
In some cases it may be diet.  Behavior modification works for many people,
although I think it's difficult to handle without professional guidance.
Drug therapy may be the best for others although I doubt that it should
be used without behavior modification also.
 
I don't think it's really fair to a child to deny him or her a particular
treatment which might be the best one for the situation.
 
I'm not a professional, just a mother of a wonderful, smart, well
behaved, laid-back 16 year old son who was not diagnosed as having ADD
until last February.  This despite many, many visits to doctors,
psychologists, testing centers, tutors, etc., etc. and attempts at almost
every type of behavior modification known to man!
 
We finally saw yet another psychologist who interviewed his dad and I,
reviewed his previous test results, observed him in school, and lastly
interviewed him.  On her recommendation, he started on ritalin along
with yet another behavior modification plan and has gone from failing
nearly every course in high school to all A's and B's.
 
It has taken a lot of hard work on all our parts, especially his, but he
doesn't believe it would have been possible without the drugs.  According
to him, the world used to seem like it was rushing by him so fast that
there was no way he could keep up so he gave up trying.  The first day
he came home from school after taking Ritalin he was so happy because
he said everything had slowed down so he could pay attention to it!
 
We also noticed when he got his learner's permit that he was a much
better driver when he was taking the Ritalin and now that he has
his license we insist that he take his medicine when he drives.
 
Although I don't like having a child take drugs, I've finally come to
accept it as being as much in his best interests to take Ritalin
as it is in my best interest to take my heart medicine.  The only
difference is our insurance doesn't pay for his!
 
Sorry this is so long but it's a subject I care very much about.
From: chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: praise vs encouragement?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 10:27:06 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

	I've been thinking about this subject (praise vs
encouragement) recently.  I feel that it is important to do things for
personal satisfaction and not just because someone says "good job".
This is not a really big issue for me directly yet, but I can see it
coming up really soon.  I'm interested in hearing how other people
handle encouragement/praise.
	Thanks for any info....
				Lisa

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 Lisa Chirlian                                  chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu
 Department of Chemistry, Bryn Mawr College, Bryn Mawr, PA 19010
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sunita@research.nj.nec.com (Sunita Hingorani)
Subject: Late roll over
Originator: sunita@vision
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:33:01 GMT

Hi,
  My son who will be 5 months on the 16th hasn't shown any signs of rolling
over.  Has anybody else had similar experience?  Can it indicate a problem?

Thanks....

sunita
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater)
Subject: Report info on Latchkey Children sought
Originator: kjc7435@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 02:48:37 GMT

Sincerely yours,
Miss Kerry Cater.
From: davids@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (David Schwantner)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 15:08:49 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Oct2.180749.29872@alw.nih.gov>, paula@helix.nih.gov (Paula Moore) writes:
|> In article <9209281800.AA17754@fieser.brynmawr.edu> chirlian@fieser.brynmawr.edu (L.E. Chirlian) writes:
|> >  
|> >	Anyway that's me.  Having a baby didn't make me feel grown up
|> >but wearing slippers did.  Go figure.  
|> >				Lisa
|> >
|> 
|> For me it was getting perscription sunglasses that signified that I was
|> a "grown-up" - though I still don't always act it (do any of us)
|> 
|> Anyone else have these "I guess this means I'm a "grown-up" " experiences?

For me it was a couple of weeks ago. I was reading a posting where someone
was talking about how something happened when they were in junior high, and
I realized that we went to school at the same time. Then I read his signature -
he was a doctor of something or the other. Ouch! (I finally got my bachelors
a couple of years ago!).

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From: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: good grades=good school=job??
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:32:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct1.153258.22517
Reply-To: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington

In article <1992Sep27.145012.8184@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ren@Turing.ORG  
(Karen Prestemon) writes:

[deletion]

>someone was talking about
>motivating his child to do his homework, so that he will ultimately
>make the connection netween good grades, a good university, and a 
>good job.
 
[deletion]

> Second, it seems really dangerous to lead anyone to believe that
> a college education at any school is going to = good job.

"I never let schooling get in the wat of my education" (Mark Twain?)

I heard of a study the claimed a negative correlation between good grades in  
medical school and performance as a practicing physician.

I had a brief, checkered teaching career;  I thought grades were a terrible  
sham and that much of what a "successful" student learns is to obey  
authority and take tests.  Excellent preparation for Real Life, huh?
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: Dares No Organization Like Dis Organization
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:59:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.114848.1596@ll.mit.edu> Alan Yasutovich writes:

>	No you didn't read it.  Sugar has nothing to do with it.

In spite of dissent regarding studies done regarding these issues,
there is a higher than expected correlation between sugar and
manifestations in ADDH. I will not argue the possibility that
some of the results were perhaps skewed because "something was done"
and the best possible resulted. It is impossible to do a double blind
study on something like sugar deprivation after all.

On the other hand, a small number of bipolar depressives were also managed 
relatively well in Chicago for a few years using sugar deprivation.

Bill Vajk
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:42:44 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Organization: Adams Software, Lake Oswego OR  USA

In article <1992Oct2.175735.26895@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
|> In article <1687492EE.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org> M17257@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
|> >Well, I've seen the names-Major Major, who of course, was a Major.
|> >Then there was Major Broccoli
|> >I've seen Kermie Kermit
|> >and Royal Pageant
|> 

I know a girl (although she is probably married by now) name Crystal Chanda.
I think that is a pretty name - but her last name was Lear: i.e.
Crystal Chanda Lear 

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	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
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From: EMN002@email.mot.com (Mary Beth Northrup)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: Motorola, Inc. Plantation, FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:42:13 GMT

Years ago I had my lower wisdom teeth taken out by a local oral surgeon -

 -- Dr. Mohler.

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| (mommy to Sean, 15 mo.)																	how many, many feet you meet!"   |
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: stanzi@media.mit.edu (Constance "Stanzi" Royden)
Subject: Re: cute things they what-do-you-say
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:16:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.215651.14510@riacs.edu> hirsch@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Bob Hirsch) writes:
>
>I dropped in the candy and the child now stared into the bag.
>After a bit a maternal voice off to one side prompted "what do you say?"
>
>(pause)  "Bye!"

The following conversation occurred in our house recently:
Caitlin (2.5 YO):  Daddy, I *want* some juice!
Daddy: What do you say?
-Pause-
Caitlin:  Mommeeee!

Mom and Dad fall over laughing!
From: Lynn Gazis-Sax <lgsax@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:12 PDT
Subject: Toy Delivery to Osijek
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1427100035:000:2421
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!lgsax    Sep 27 21:12:00 1992


I am back from ex-Yugoslavia (where my husband was a humanitarian 
observer for three months and I was visiting him for three weeks), 
and have one child-related story to tell. 
 
In the town of Osijek is a hotel occupied by refugee families from 
Baranja.  These families have been refugees for a year.  They can 
step outside the hotel and look across the river at a row of 
trees, and know that just beyond the trees is their village, but 
they can't return there.  When they had to flee, they did not have 
the time to take the children's toys, and so for a year, the 
children were without toys except two cars. 
 
When my husband heard of this, he decided to arrange to have our 
church give the children toys.  The children in the refugee house 
were assembled, and each was asked which toy he or she 
particularly wanted.  The first girl said, "Barbie."  The second 
girl said, "Barbie."  And so on through each of the five girls.  
Joel of course was picturing how all of our progressive friends 
would respond to this request (completely unprompted on his part).  
He kept saying to himself, "This is not politically correct.  This 
is not politically correct."  But if the girls wanted Barbies, 
that is what they would get.  I was emailed a list of toys: for 
the girls, five Barbies, and for the boys, three cars, two sets of 
snorkeling fins and masks, two handheld video games, and a teddy 
bear.  Plus some sort of toy appropriate to a one year old. 
 
I arrived in Osijek with a suitcase full of toys - all the toy 
requests, a few extra Barbie-like dolls, some Barbie clothes and 
combs, extra teddy bears, and a few miscellaneous other toys.  We 
had also bought books for them (these bought in Croatia, so that 
they would be in a language the children could read).  The 
children were all gathered together (fourteen of them), waiting 
for the toys.  Each name was called out, and each child came up 
for his or her toy.  Then we distributed the extras.  Afterwards, 
while we were being interviewed by the local paper, I saw three 
little girls, each running over to a neighboring house carrying 
her Barbie.  When we were leaving, a group of the children 
gathered at the door with their toys to thank us and wave good 
bye. 
 
Lynn Gazis-Sax
 
Non misc.kids note: Joel is available to speak about the region.  
People interested can send me email (or better, send email to jsax 
on this host). 
 

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:06:57 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep29.113043.1@amherst.edu> njamal@amherst.edu writes:

>This is simply not true.  Female circumsision is NOT a Muslim practice.
>It is not practices in the Muslim Arab world and in parts of Africa where
>it is practiced (e.g., Ethiopia and Eritrea in East Africa), it is
>practiced by the Christian population!

Njamal, what country do you come from. Malaysian and Egyptian Muslims do 
practice it. Iranians and Afghanis don't (to the best of my knowledge).
I believe it is widespread in Saudi, but unheard of in Lebanon.


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 15:32:14 EDT

Okay, in all fairness, my wife read me the newspaper story today, and it
seems that the offending statement about math class is only *one* of about
*200* possible things that the Barbies can say.  Apparently each Barbie is
randomly programmed with four of those 200 possible phrases and even the
people at Mattel don't know which ones say what.

So what are some of the other possible sayings?  Well one was "Let's start a
business."  Just as the kid has a 1:67 chance of getting the Barbie who
thinks math is hard, she also has the same chance of getting the one who
wants to start her own business (and a 1:4422 chance of getting one that
says *both*).

Now after thinking about this a bit, I had to ask myself what the problem
was here.  I mean, after all, kids *do* say "math class is hard."  What's
the problem with admitting that?  It's not like she said, "I'm doing to drop
math because it's hard," she merely stated the fact that she found it hard.
I found some things hard (although I can't recall what any of them were) but
I pretty much stuck with them.  Just because I say something's hard for me
doesn't mean I'm going to quit.  Why should we assume the same thing about
Barbie?

Hey...I think it's okay to say that math class is hard...as a teacher, that
gives me a clue that this kid could use a little help.  We need to give kids
permission to admit that something is hard so that we can try to get them
the help they need...which sometimes involves showing them how this "totally
useless" subject has an impact on real life.  Yeah, Barbie says that math
class is hard...but maybe she's saying it to her friend Tressy (remember
her?) who's a math whiz and can show her a few tricks to make it easy for
her.

Have we reached a point where it is politically incorrect for any woman to
admit that she's not perfect?  I surely hope not, but it looks like this
entire Barbie flap has a lot to do with that.

Okay, my asbestos undies are on...you may fire when ready!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker)
Subject: Oh - I'm BIG because I'm pregnant...
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:06:34 GMT

I wanted to THANK the many many people who wrote to me in response to my
question about carrying "4 weeks too large" (according to the measurement
technique, which does not have great significance).  Your answers gave me
new material to discuss with the doc, made me feel wonderful and surrounded
by supportive friends, and in many cases made me laugh.  Last night showed
me some lines in What to Expect about how blinders and earplugs should be a
mandatory part of the maternity wardrobe.  I do see her meaning.

Had a good talk with the OB about the whole thing.  He basically said what I
got from most of you.  By _far the most likely explanation_ is that I am just
BIG.  Baby in strange position, my body shape, my uterus thickness, heredity,
and so on.  None of which I should worry about.  Possible problem causes of
carrying big that are much less likely but problematic: gestational diabetes,
excess fluid, which means absolutely nothing of importance about 60% of the
time, may indicate a problem 40% of the time, twins (and as many of you told
me - they do go undiagnosed sometimes), very large baby, early baby (not
a problem unless, like me, you are teaching a college course almost right up
to the delivery window).  We did not do an ultrasound, both he and I feel that
they should be done only when there is a compelling reason, but we agreed that
if I measure near term size next time we'll do one.  But the bottom line was
that there seems to be no reason right now for any worry at all.

To end on (what I find) an amusing note: At my previous appointment he felt
quite sure that the head was pointed down, and I agreed based on the movements
I had been feeling.  So to try to reassure me, he felt again down low and
said that sure enough, there was the head.  Then he felt high and said:
Hmmm, well that also feels like it could be the head.  Sometimes the head and
butt are hard to tell apart.  I smiled and said: Or, it could be the OTHER
head!  Causing my wide-eyed hubby to break into hysterical laughter at the
thought.

My newly-found "mother's intuition" is that I have one healthy and very
active fetus in my belly who will soon be a healthy baby.  Thanks again for
sharing all your personal experiences with me.

Marilyn
mwalker@taimyr.colorado.edu

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: Kid Seats on Bikes
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.163230.26603@samba.oit.unc.edu>, heidia@med.unc.edu (Heidi Aycock) writes...
> Do trailers fit in bike lanes?

Probably. They did on San Juan. (San Juan has notices saying 'narrow highway, 
cyclists no stopping on pavement'. The roads must be about 3 times the width 
of some of the lanes in Britain where I grew up... and those had steep banks
and no shoulder.) 


>4) Don't trailers put kids closer to dogs? I'm afraid of
>dogs, so this is a big concern for me. If an angry dog starts
>after us, won't he get to my son first? 

The trailer we hired had a fairly tough-looking mosquito net on the front of 
the trailer (which would also keep any stones & grit from your wheel out, so 
you'd probably use it full-time), and a canvas side. Maybe the dog wouldn't 
notice the kid inside. Besides, if you keep pedalling you'd probably run the 
dog over with the trailer, which would likely take its mind off things for 
a while. I have an idea that dogs which chase cyclists have a fixation about 
bicycles, or legs going up and down, or something, and might not be so 
interested in a trailer anyway.

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 Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada
From: sam@esl.com (Samuel Hahn)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: au pair?
Keywords: childcare au pair day care
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:08:58 GMT
Reply-To: Samuel Hahn <sam@esl.com>

Hullo.

My wife (Dorothy) and I have a 9-week old (Nicolas) and are extremely happy  
with him, but somewhat disappointed we can't both stay home full-time to play  
with him.  So we eventually have to both work again.  Dorothy's going to take  
leave for another 3 months, but at that time, we're, as most do, considering  
the options.

I came across an organization called EF AuPair.  Any of you familiar with it,  
or know folks who've had an au pair through this organization?  Any other  
organization?  Any other type of au pair arrangement?

To me, this looks like a pretty good arrangement, sp. for $170/week, but  
Dorothy's worried mostly about the likelihood of ending up with someone in  
the house who may not be "compatible" with us.

I'd be very very interested in peoples' experiences, recommendations, views,  
concerns, etc.  Thank you very much.

--

Thanks -- Samuel Hahn
          <sam@esl.com>

Btw, the number, for anyone interested, is 800-333-6056, 617-494-1389/fax.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Subject: Re: Episiotomy reference
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:27:31 GMT


In article <1992Sep29.171542.5760@colorado.edu> mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU
(Marilyn Walker) writes:
>I have heard in several places (perhaps here?) of a recent Canadian (?) study
>that seemed to rather conclusively demonstrate that episiotomies cause more
>problems than they solve.  Does anyone have the reference for this or other
>similar studies?  I am beginning to discuss delivery details with my doc
>(7.5 weeks to go!), and would like this as backup in case that part of the
>negotiations does not go well.  He will certainly respect scholarly works, but
>if he hasn't read it, then it is me trying to tell him that his training is
>wrong.  Any help greatly appreciated.
>
>Marilyn
>mwalker@taimyr.colorado.edu

If someone has info on this, could you send it to me too please? I'm going 
through exactly the same thing right now! TIA

-Jen (6.5 wks and counting...)
jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wefreema@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Wendy E. Freeman)
Subject: Mail Order Maternity Clothes
Originator: wefreema@rodan.acs.syr.edu
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 17:37:24 EDT

I'm sorry if this is a frequently asked question but...

Does anyone out there know if a mail order maternity clothes company
exists, and if so, what is their address and phone number?

Thanks.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Pregnancy after miscarriage
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:19:43 GMT

As many of you may remember I just had a miscarriage.  I started
bleeding on Sept 7 when I was about 6 1/2 weeks along.  On
September 15 I had a vacuum curettage because I was continuing
to bleed.  My Ob-gyn said it would be a month before i ovulated
again.  We could start trying again, without waiting and that
we had to "refrain" until I stopped bleeding.  Well, a week
after my curettage I stopped bleeding and we stopped refraining
;-).  Around that time I noticed I had an increase in mucus.
Now, for the past three days my breasts have been getting
very sore and I have little twinges of cramps.  Is there
any possible way I could be pregnant, or do I just have
PMS.  Also, it has been no where near a month, so could
I have really ovulated.  When I started bleeding my breasts
starting deflating so, they have not been sore for about
two weeks.  Any thots or ideas will be welcome.  I figure
in about another week I will do a pregnancy test.  I was
going to wait throught one period before we started trying
just to give my body extra time to heal.  Chances are I am
NOT pregnant, but I sure feel that way!!!!!!  Thanks
again for all the wonderful net support.

Cathryn W. Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu