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From: sstai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Samuel S. Tai)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Did AnimeFest '93 fall through?
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:39:25 GMT
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I thought the AnimeCon and the Anime Expo organizations had declared a
truce over the 'Con 93 wars.  I believed that the two were to hold a
joint AnimeFest '93.  Am I mistaken?

The reason I ask is that I received an info blurb from SPJA today in the
mail.  I quote from the blurb:

	Plans are already underway for Anime Expo '93, and guided by your
	helpful suggestions from your surveys, the gripe session and
	informal conversations, we expect to continue to be on the
	cutting edge of the Japanese animation explosion in America.

	... Anime Expo is moving [to] the Oakland Convention Center.
	This may work out for the best due to the rapid growth of anime
	fandom over the past few years.  We believe that the Oakland
	Convention Center and the Parc Oakland Hotel will be able to
	fulfill our needs.  We are currently looking at a 10,000 sq. ft.
	dealer's room, a 5,000 sq. ft. art show, two live programming
	tracks, two video tracks, a film track and many other activities
	that you have come to expect from us.  Parc Oakland also has 
	shuttle service from Oakland and San Francisco International
	Airports and the Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) line runs directly
	to the hotel....

	Ladera Travel is once again the official Travel Agency of 
	Anime Expo, and United Airlines is the official air carrier.
	For travel information, call (213) 772-1511.

	[more details of the expo omitted]

The advanced state of the planning suggests to me that SPJA might have
negotiated the truce in bad faith.  Did they agree to a truce and then
turn around and continue working on Expo '93 in the belief that the
deal would fall through in committee?  Or, if you are a conspiracy
theorist, does SPJA plan to make the deal fall through, so that the Anime-
Con people would get caught with their pants down at a late date, and
the SPJA could step in with a "contingency plan" and hold their "One
True Con(tm)"?

Mind you, I am just as confused as the next otaku over the state of affairs
in these Con wars.  I would appreciate each camp issuing some sort of 
official statement clarifying the situation.  If it does turn out that
both sides are trying to hoodwink the other behind the scenes, I would
call for a boycott of BOTH 'Con and 'Expo until the two get their act
together.

Just my $0.02; please send flames to me via e-mail so as not to clutter
up this newsgroup.

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From: tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Who's the mecha designer?
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:27:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <3854@phred.UUCP> jimn@phred.UUCP writes:
>Zeta (I think) Gundam has a variable geometry mobile armor called/spelled Bound Doc or Bon Dog that very closely resembles a sort of "special assignment" red robot seen towards the end of Dragons Heaven. I'm 99% certain master illustrator and modeller Makoto Kobayashi did the Dragon version, but did he also do the Gundam design as well? If they are NOT by the same designer, was there any sort of copyright violation? Even though the Gundam version has legs and the other does not, they're still very si
>
>What's the definative (^_^) name for this/these thing(s), who designed what, and when did they do it? Please reply to the net.

1. Kobayashi Makoto participated in Z Gundam as a mecha designer and
   he designed "The O."
2. The name of the mobile suit you mentioned is Bound Dog.      


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From: chadwick@world.std.com (Chadwick Ngan)
Subject: Re: Record of Lodoss Wars (was Re: my list of lists (92.0
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:40:09 GMT

In article <713473795snx@izumi.DIALix.oz.au> michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte) writes:

>Or, megami-sama forbid, dub it. <choke> You just know he'd get Reba
>West for Deedlit... :)

	That's a thought too evil to even consider ....   :)
	I don't believe anyone else can portray Deedlit as good as Touma Yumi.
She's just the right person for the job.  Ditto for Tsurumi who acted as Madoka
in KOR.  I can't think of any other voice that will convey a better feel.


						Chadwick
						Sheeta "the Elf"
From: tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Tokyo Babylon (from August Animedia)
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:16:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <714077924snx@izumi.DIALix.oz.au> michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte) writes:
> >  Tokyo Babylon "A Save for Tokyo City Story"
> >   only available with reservations
> >   must reserve by 9/1, on sale on 10/21
> >   CA: 2 videos with a special case, 9800 yen
> >   LD: 2 sided disc CLV, 7600 yen
> >   color, 50 min, stereo
>
>Anybody know what this is? Some special Patlabor video?

It's a limited edition OAV based on a manga of the same name
by CLAMP (a creator group composed of 6 very talented ladies)

Original manga is a clever mixture of occult manga and shojo-manga
but it concentrates on social themes and the feelings of the
characters, rather than violence and sex. Also, there is no
world-shaking battle in this manga (don't get fooled by the title!)
but this is a manga that I can recommend to anyone.

Tokyo Babylon has NOTHING to do with Patlabor (Sorry, Mike).


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From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: an honest answer would include .. [was: Why is Anime so popular?]
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:15:59 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

In article <1992Aug15.052150.14196@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan) writes:
>>>If you want superior animation in a feature that isn't concerned
>>>with holding down a "G" rating, you ain't gonna find it on this
>>>continent.
>>
>>_Rock & Rule_.  If you want to be current, then _Bebe's Kids_' character
>>animation is, at worst, still better than the character animation in the
>
>_Rock & Rule, sucks, IMHO, insipid plot with pretty much no explanation
>of anything going on, though char animation MIGHT be considered better
>(IT TOOK NELVANA NEARLY FOUR YEARS to do it!).  From what I've seen
>of Bebe's Kids, the animation is very sloppy (gee, brush strokes, just like
>MZ23 III 8-), though I like the story idea and am waiting to see it.

I didn't find _R&R_ any more insipid than some anime I've seen (er, do the
initials BGC come to mind?), and I found it very easy to understand.  I don't
see what's so hard there.  That Nelvana took four years to do it doesn't mean
much to me; the animation industry is different between here and there.  Hey,
Richard William's _The Thief and the Cobbler_ has been in production for about
a quarter of a century.  Does that mean it's no good?

As I said earlier, _BK_ is inconsistent in terms of animation.  But so was
_Macross_...

>>majority of Japanese animated films.  _Roger Rabbit_.  _Heavy Metal_ has
>>a lot of flaws, but its character animation is still better than most
>>anime.  _Watership Down_ (though I can't remember if that's a Brit
>
>Nearly all of _Heavy Metal_ was rotoscoped, so that really doesn't count.
>It was very evident in the B-17 segment.

I disagree on that (that most of it was rotoscoped, though I'll agree that
some was.)

>
>>Why don't people just get with the program?  There's good and bad animation
>>for a variety of reasons on both sides of the Pacific.
>
>BUT, take the numbers, you've mentioned a scant few items , spread over
>at least ten to fifteen years.  What percentage of all american animation would 
>anyone consider "good", compared to the percentage of Japanese animation
>anyone would consider "good".
>
In sheer numbers, I'd say the Japanese win.  In percentage, I think we're about even.

Think of how many anime productions were created this year.  Now compare to
the amount that is technically superior in animation, and/or has a mature
storyline.  Betcha the percentage is about even.

>Give GAINAX $30 Million per picture and they would blow Disney out of 
>the water.

Give *me* $30 mil and I'll blow Disney out of the water.  With that kind of
a budget, Hollywood resources, and lack of reliance on name actors, anyone
with a good story and decent animators could do it.

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From: trebor@foretune.co.jp (Robert J Woodhead)
Subject: Re: Godzilla Vs Charles Barklay(sp?)
Organization: Foretune Co., Ltd.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:50:01 GMT

kilpatri@nextnet.csus.edu (Joseph Kilpatrick) writes:

>Here's how it's gonna go...Gozilla will try to breath fire or death rays
>or something, Charles will stick and elbow in Godzilla's face, and Godzilla
>will go down... nuff said...

Too obvious.  More likely, Godzilla offs Charles, reporter (in shock) asks
Godzilla "How'd you do it?" and Godzilla stomps the building the reporter
is in, and for the first time, you see Godzilla is wearing Nikes.

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From: tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: The great "rabaa" = Lover or Larva debate!
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:36:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug12.203332.7335@wdl.loral.com> dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume) writes:
>tkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Tonghyun Kim) writes:
>>
>>Robert already posted a while ago that "Larva" is the prefered
>>spelling for "raaba", according to the creator of Miyu, Kakinouchi
		^^^^^
Oops! That should be Rabaa. 
>
>Miyu's Shinma is spelled, "rabaa" in the credits.  Not "raaba."  I agree
>that "Larva" is a good spelling of "raaba."  But it doesn't fit "rabaa,"
>which is the shinma we're talking about.

I agree that Larva doesn't fit Rabaa *phonetically* but when was the
last time Japanese creators really cared about phonetics when they
katakanize foreign words? :-)

>P.S.  The Larva and Lemures argument is pretty good...

Thank you. (^_^)


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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Batman
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:33:23 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1561@tnc.UUCP>, m0336@tnc.UUCP (RALPH JENKINS) writes:
> 
> I believe the new Batman show is being produced by TMS, Tokyo Movie
> Shinsa(sp?), so Japanese.

Nope.  The producer is Warner.  The ANIMATION is done by, among others,
TMS.

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From: gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan)
Subject: Let's start the Rumor Mill
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 06:53:45 GMT



Well, it's time to start up the 'ol Rumor Mill, in other words, I got bored,
found something halfway interesting, and decided to run with it.

Rumor Mill

Robert Gutierrez mentioned in the Subtitling Tech Talk panel that he
may indeed be going commercial, one for the group that has been nearly
assured of liicensing Kabuto.  Another he said that he was approached by
another un-named group about titling something else.  Of course he wouldn't 
elaborate but he gave a hint that it (the title) was mentioned during
the panel.  

I have compiled a list of all the titles that were mentioned that haven;t
been licensed by any of the "big four". I lost about the first 20 minutes
of the panel on my audio recording so this may not be complete.




Wings of Honneamise  ;  VERY VERY unlikely, Nobody knows (even Bandai) who
    exactly Bandai sold it to originally.

Totoro & Kiki & Porco ;  of course not, but they haven't been "licensed" so I
Rosso                    mentioned them anyway.

Votoms                   ; It's Sunrise, nuff said.

Armor Hunter Mellowlink  ; It's a Votoms side story. It's Sunrise, nuff said.

ADPolice

Video Girl Ai

Be-Bop High School       ; Don't woory, with the context it was mentioned,
                           thankfully we won't see it.

the aforementioned Kabuto





Ryan Gavigan
gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu

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From: trebor@foretune.co.jp (Robert J Woodhead)
Subject: Re: ANIMEIGO : BUBBLEGUM CRISIS ON LASERDISC
Keywords: animeigo bubblegum crisis laserdisc ld
Organization: Foretune Co., Ltd.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:49:26 GMT

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) writes:

>I still say that these prices are waaay too expensive.  You may want to take
>a clue from the Image folks.  They just released the USMC subtitled PROJECT
>A-KO for $39.95.  Same price than the tape version.  BTW, brilliant idea of
>putting episodes 1-3 in one LD.

Note that our price for the whole series, _before discounts_, is lower
than the original tape price, which was about _half_ of the original
Japanese price.  While the cost of a "disc" is roughly constant, the
amount of royalties paid varies depending on how many titles you put
on the disc.

Besides, wait until you see the packaging.  And remember, the sub-
scription price includes the postage.

>Which means that if I were on the subscription program (which I'm not)
>I could:
>- Send the tape case for a discount.
>- Sell the tape to someone without a laserdisc after I get it back.
>  Coolness!

Yes, you could.

>I'm impressed!  BTW, are you still planning to remaster the UY movies into
>letterbox format?

To the best of my knowledge (we are double-checking), none of the UY
movies were filmed in wide-aspect, although they may have been composed
and displayed with the top and bottom of the image masked.  In the
latter case, we would use the whole image but document the composition
ratios so you could mask off the screen [alas, this would mask off the
titles as well, but life's tough all over]. 

Beautiful Dreamer we know about for sure:  It was filmed at Academy
Ratio (1.38:1 as opposed to TV's 1:33:1 - almost identical) and so
the transfer has the full image - you can tell because you can always
see the reel-change dots.

>P.P.S.  I take it no-one requested a BG Crash LD set, eh?  :-/

We are considering it.

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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime,rec.arts.manga
Subject: Re: Anime/Manga Art Exhibit in SF!!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:27:35 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <mumble> shogun@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Mike M. Tatsugawa) writes:
>In article <grumble> dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume) writes:

>>Everybody who can, let's go to the exhibit and show our support.
>
>The exhibit at the Comic Art Museum has been running for several
>months.  During Anime Expo, the bay area was billed in press releases
>as THE place for fans of either medium to attend.  Anime Expo was
>fortunate enough to have Keiji Nakazawa attend Expo during his trip to
>the museum and I think we ran an ad for them in our Program Book.
>This is definitely a top notch job and I definitely recomment the
>exhibit to all fans who can make it.

There is a catalog/photo book of the museum show available for sale in
October; I saw it in the latest issue of Previews and ordered one
through my comic book store.  It might be too late for stores to order
one this month (due date is the 15th around here) but it wouldn't hurt
to check if, like me, you didn't manage to make it to the museum
during the Expo (bad! bad! bad otaku! 8-) and you're too far away to
just pop over to the museum before the show ends (early September as I
recall).  

(The catalog/book was in the Books section of Previews but I don't
remember the name of the publisher.  The book itself is called
something like 'Art from the Floating Nation' and is around $12.)

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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: ANIMEIGO : BUBBLEGUM CRISIS ON LASERDISC
Keywords: animeigo bubblegum crisis laserdisc ld
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:35:11 GMT
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way

Initial response: YES!  FINALLY!  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Secondary response: Hmmm.  Wait a minute... Now, maybe I'm
misremembering/misinterpreting something AnimEigo said, but I
thought, when the initial discussions/proposals concerning a possible
BGC LD release were being made way back when, that AnimEigo was
planning on offering those of us that bought the whole BGC series on
tape the opportunity to upgrade to LD "at cost," i.e.  how much it
cost AnimEigo to produce the LDs, no more, no less - the theory being
that AnimEigo felt it should only make money off its customers once
for any given anime (an eminently nice idea, in my opinion).  Well,
either the production cost per LD set is a lot higher than I think it
is ($140 for 4 LDs?!  Somebody's getting burned...) or AnimEigo has
decided not to follow through on that proposed course of action.

I'm not complaining - well, not quite, anyway - since no one else
makes a similar "upgrade" offer available.  And the Hurricane Live
videos in the boxed set are a nice touch.  But still, I was geniunely
expecting the cost for the LD set to be lower, like maybe $20 per disc
max, for us loyal fans.  Was this an unreasonable expectation?

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is I would like to see A) a lower
price for people who bought the BGC tape subscription (they should be
in your records, so you should know who we are), B) the discount to
also include those of us who also bought the Hurricane Live tape(s)
(Hey, so I'm scrounging the bottom of the barrel, I'm poor!), and/or
C) a way for those of us who bought the tape subscription to call you
up and say, "Hey, I want the LD set, you know I bought the tapes from
you, so let's save each other the hassle of having to deal with the
wraps and just send me the LDs, OK?!"  Without one of the first two,
the likelihood of me buying the LD set anytime soon is slim; I just
can't afford to shell out $140 to upgrade my video collection (unless
I can sell my BGC tapes for at least that much 8^).

My cheap griping aside, well done, Robert.  So when can I expect a
Riding Bean/Madox LD, hmmmmm?  8->
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From: michael@izumi.DIALix.oz.au (Michael Studte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Dominion DUBBED (review)
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 12:23:29 GMT
Organization: JAFWA, Cal-Animage Zeta, Perth, Western Australia


In article <1992Aug5.193744.28568@ntmtv> takahash@ntmtv.UUCP writes:
 > >     Tank police. Tank police. Tank police. Tank police. ...
 > 
 > Ugh!!  Reminds me of the Lupin opening which goes: "Lupin Lupin Lupin..."
 > 
 > (Yes, it was from the original anime TV show, and no, I didn't like it...)

You mean "Lupin Lupin Lupin..... THE THIRD!" (etc.)??? A classic, man.
It's right up there in all-time favourite movies/series themes with the
Pink Panther tune. :)

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From: wang@ocf.berkeley.edu (Albert Sze-Wei Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Notes from San Diego Comic Convention
Date: 18 Aug 1992 04:41:57 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <1992Aug17.184917.2466@nic.csu.net> shogun@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Mike M. Tatsugawa) writes:


>Animag 2.2 is out.

BTW, Yes, I know there's a mistake in the layout in the article I helped
write.  I'll do the best I can to make sure our layout people are a little
more informed and do my best to make sure it doesn't happen in part 2.
If you know what I'm talking about then great.  If not, don't worry about
it.  You're not missing anything.  :)

>Cal-Animage and Anime Berkeley have reconciliated after a long
>drinking spree in Tijuana.  The 4 year rivalry ended in Margaritaville
>when Dave Mou and Mike Tatsugawa, in a drunken stupor, agreed that TJ
>would make an inexpensive site for a future collaborative anime
>convention.  More info later...

Ah yes, there were a number of us on that run.  One rule of thumb when in
those bars is DON'T POINT at ANYONE.  If you do that you'll be in deep
trouble.  Mike almost found out the hard way.  But in his case, someone
pointed at him.  :)  


Albert


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