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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Simon Oke)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Why is Arthur Dent Saved?
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:16:29 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: tuffyd@bray1a.its.rpi.edu's message of 10 Jan 93 02:26:56 GMT

In article <rb_3jdp@rpi.edu> tuffyd@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Devin 'Nice Guy' Tuffy) writes:
| In article <1993Jan2.075059.5238@news.columbia.edu>, hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben) writes:
| |> Hello, I am rereading the first book, Hitchhikers Guide, and have
| |> a question. Is there any reason that Ford Prefect decides to take
| |> poor Arthur along with him?
| |> 
| Because He's A Nice Guy?
|
Because DA needed a fall guy to make the books funny?

--
Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.
From: ubigpig@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeremy Dodd)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Mostly Harmless comment
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:14:20 GMT

Has anyone else noticed that Douglas Adams, in the 5th book, has quietly become Kurt Vonnegut?
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:17:00 EST
From: Jill Rhoads <JRHOADS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Comments on MH

Well, I just finished Mostly Harmless, and although I thought that most of his
material was absolutely brilliant, he ended his book rather badly (begging for
another book maybe).  The whole bit about the squirels proferring golf
magazines and other bits of pink material was absolutely hilarious and out of
the normal imagination.  However, merely having a Vogod come running through at
 the very end was him stealing old ideas from his first book.  Come on DA you
can do much better than that.  If you can get a name like Random Frequent Flyer
Dent, how come he can't come up with some even more strange ending?  Am I far
of the mark or what?
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf)
Subject: Re: MH for $14.95 <flamebait>
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:51:02 GMT

thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:
>In article <24888@galaxy.ucr.edu> lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:
>>
>>from them before.  So for those of you who still haven't
>>got around of buying the book, $14.95 is about $5 less
>
>Anyone else think that $14.95 is about $14.95 too much for the pile of
>dreck that masquerades as a book by an author that I really like?
>-- 

I think its about $14.50 too much.  It would make a good fire starter, all
those worthless pages would start easily.
From: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: MH for $14.95
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:37:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside


I just saw an ad for _Mostly Harmless_ for $14.95 in a
Barnes and Noble catalog.  Their phone number is
(201) 767-7079.  _MH_ is item #1847565, in case anyone
is interested.  I have no connections with Barnes and
Noble in any way, other than have ordered a few books
from them before.  So for those of you who still haven't
got around of buying the book, $14.95 is about $5 less
than the regular price.  Of course, you'll have to pay
for shipping ...

			- lulu

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
From: muehlen@fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de (Ralf Muehlen)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: What does Mk II mean?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:06:48 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, U of Saarland, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de


Does anybody know what the  'MK II' means in 'The Guide Mk II'.
Which is mentioned in 'Mostly harmless'.

eof, Ralf
From: sl264050@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (George Flexman)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Mostly Harmless comment
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:52:03 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

I don't think its a new idea.  I believe that the jacket of the hardcover of
the Hitch-Hikers ... once said something like:

	"If Kurt Vonnegut and Tom Robbins had a son, he would have written
	this book, but he would have gotten sued because Douglas Adams
	wrote it first."

For those who might not know, Tom Robbins is the author of Even Cowgirls Get
the Blues, which has much to say about hitch-hiking among other things.  He is
a very funny fellow and gets my vote for the best first lines of any novelist.
My favorites are:
	"The beet is the most intense of vegetables."
		-from Jitterbug Perfume
and
	"It was a bright, defrosted, pussy-willow day at the onset of spring
	and the newlyweds were driving cross-country in a large roast turkey."
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
From: dholmes@netcom.com (Dennis Holmes)
Subject: Re: Mostly Harmless on cassette
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:11:50 GMT

000354n@axe.acadiau.ca (JAMES ANDREW NORTON) writes:

...
>There is also a recording of Douglas Adams (I believe) reading THHGTG.  It 
>is also slightly abridged, but it does have a very interesting version of 
>the song "Old Janx Spirit."  
>					James

Please correct me, but I think that was Stephen Moore.  And, yes, the song
was great :)

-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Dennis Holmes                      dholmes@netcom.com                   |
| San Jose, CA                       Disclaimer:  I'm temporarily insane. |
+------=>{ Meanwhile, as Ford said: "Where are my potato chips?" }<=------+
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:25:57 -0500 
From: Geoffrey Spear <gspear+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Why is Arthur Dent Saved?
	<OKES.93Jan10151629@SunLab46.essex.ac.uk>

Excerpts from netnews.alt.fan.douglas-adams: 10-Jan-93 Re: Why is Arthur
Dent Saved? Simon Oke@essex.ac.uk (549)

> In article <rb_3jdp@rpi.edu> tuffyd@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Devin 'Nice Guy'
> Tuffy) writes:
> | In article <1993Jan2.075059.5238@news.columbia.edu>,
> hauben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Michael Hauben) writes:
> | |> Hello, I am rereading the first book, Hitchhikers Guide, and have
> | |> a question. Is there any reason that Ford Prefect decides to take
> | |> poor Arthur along with him?
> | |> 
> | Because He's A Nice Guy?
> |
> Because DA needed a fall guy to make the books funny?

> --
> Simon Oke, 3rd year Computer Science
> undergraduate at the University of Essex, UK.

	Well, in the computer game, Ford just wanted to give him back his
towel.  Of course, I'm sure he had a better motive than that in the
books (as no towel was even mentioned).  Maybe he liked Arthur?  They
HAD been friends for a long time, and maybe he wanted to save his
friend, even if he was just a human.
-----------------------------------
Geoff Spear
Carnegie Mellon University
Electrical and Computer Engineering
Class of '96 (I hope...)
-----------------------------------
"You're redlining my bogometer!"
From: Simon Jerram<EEE90053@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.douglas-adams
Subject: Re: Comment on MH
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:55:24 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom
NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm3090.bham.ac.uk

>  Unfortunatly I'd rather see a new Dirk Gently book without
>all that confusing space travel and just safe insane mucking about in time.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Thats actually quite fortunate.  Its more than probable the next book
will be a Dirk Gently Book.   He's already been paid the advance.
But how long will it be....

BTW anyone seen Shada?


Si staying back far too late and not doing any work

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: zalewk@rpi.edu (Kenny Zalewski)
Subject: Re: Lyrics
Organization: Computer Science Department/Intramural Department at RPI
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:48:12 GMT

In article <C0JM09.JCF@evitech.fi> jussiep@evitech.fi (Erik P{tynen) writes:
>
>I'm sending some lyrics out there and would like to hear if posting more
>is advisable 'cause I don't know if so many people are actually interested
>in her artistic side.
>
>

Eric, all of Madonna's lyrics (well, almost all) are available already.  
If you have AFS at your site, you can look in
	/afs/rpi.edu/home/06/zalewk/doc/music/madonna_lyrics/

If you have FTP access, you can FTP to
	cs.uwp.edu
and look in
	pub/music/lyrics/m/madonna/

You might want to check those out before spending time typing them in.

-- 
Kenny Zalewski -- Computer Science Department; Intramural Department
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, 83 Albright Court, Troy, NY, 12180
zalewk@rpi.edu | Kenny_Zalewski@mts.rpi.edu | zalewk@RPITSMTS.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: koex0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Re: Shep Pettibone on recording Madonna
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:10:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.041229.5519@cs.ucla.edu> gds@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (the reluctant musician) writes:
>EQ magazine recently featured an article on Shep Pettibone recording
>Madonna.  One of the things I found interesting about the interview
>was that Madonna talked him out of laying down some tracks on the
>"Erotica" album that had a more "Vogue"-ish sound to them than the
>tracks that are there.  Her claim was that "Vogue" was a
>once-in-a-lifetime thing.
>What do you all think of that?  Do you think "Vogue" is the best
>Madonna will ever do, from a production, songwriting, and/or vocal
>standpoint?  I have not heard much from "Erotica", but what I have
>heard isn't as strong in any of those areas as some of her previous
>material, IMHO.

Well, the truth of the matter was that Vogue wasn't even intended as a
single in the first place. Madonna had recorded Vogue as a B-side to one
of the singles from Like A Prayer, but after some persuasion from the
folks at Sire, she included it instead in I'm Breathless and released it
as a single. She had no idea just how successful it would be, it was all
meant to shed some limelight on a dance form, and not the huge hit it
turned out to be.

To illustrate this point, the Vogue remixes are dismal. If the M-woman had
believed in the hit potential of the song, I think it would have received
the treatment that Deeper and Deeper is getting (in terms of remixing---
right now it's 11 versions and counting....).

So you see, Maddy's supposed infallible judegement and pop acumen are not
as infallible as you may think.

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: jussiep@evitech.fi (Erik P{tynen)
Subject: Re: Lyrics
Organization: EVITECH
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 14:08:23 GMT

tjwu@athena.mit.edu (Thomas J Wu) writes:

>In article <C0JM09.JCF@evitech.fi> jussiep@evitech.fi (Erik P{tynen) writes:
>>
>>  HI
>>
>>  I'm sending some lyrics out there and would like to hear if posting more
>>  is advisable 'cause I don't know if so many people are actually interested
>>  in her artistic side.

Thomas Wu writes:

>Huh?  Of course we're interested in her artistry, especially in her music.
>You might also want to send the lyrics to zalewk@rpi.edu, who has a very
>good collection of Madonna lyrics.






In matter of fact I don't have anything against the idea but doing it by
hearsay... Maybe this zalewk@rpi.edu should take contact personally if 
interested in lyrics, ok?

Well then, I haven't heard or seen that anyone (probably many have) analyzed
Madonna's text. So much is talked about her doings and relationships and 
all that but what is she actually singing about and what is she trying to
say discuss people much less. Are her texts so complicated after all? 

E.g. her newest album and that Erotica stuff is (IMHO) a good reflection 
of the old ideas of philosophers who have described human being as a
creature being enslaved by his/her instincts. (You know the chained dogs
barking in the cellar, don't you?). But somehow it seems to be so much 
easier to cling to the way of expression and forget (or even neglect by
purpose) the message.  
)

-- 
    Erik P{tynen     *-*Born to fael*-*     Email: jussiep@evitech.fi
    EVITech 
                     Anonymous mail: jussiep%evitech.fi@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: dkumasaw@oracle.uucp (Darren Kumasawa)
Subject: Re: Shep Pettibone on recording Madonna
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:29:27 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1993Jan1.041229.5519@cs.ucla.edu> gds@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (the reluctant musician) writes:
>EQ magazine recently featured an article on Shep Pettibone recording
>Madonna.  One of the things I found interesting about the interview
>was that Madonna talked him out of laying down some tracks on the
>"Erotica" album that had a more "Vogue"-ish sound to them than the
>tracks that are there.  Her claim was that "Vogue" was a
>once-in-a-lifetime thing.

Hmmmm.... that's kind of interesting because the first two singles off of
Erotica ("Erotica" and "Deeper and Deeper") seem very "Vogue"-ish to me.
In fact, the end of "Deeper and Deeper" even has some of the lyrics
from "Vogue", the single.  The "Vogue" sound -- heavy dance beat music --
seems to be Madonna's "new" sound for Erotica.  Although I must admit I
haven't heard the rest of the new album so it is possible that the song
styles vary a bit more.

>
>What do you all think of that?  Do you think "Vogue" is the best
>Madonna will ever do, from a production, songwriting, and/or vocal
>standpoint?  I have not heard much from "Erotica", but what I have
>heard isn't as strong in any of those areas as some of her previous
>material, IMHO.
.....
>
>--gregbo

Actually, I think that the "Like a Prayer" album is the most original
and creative work that Madonna has done.  I wouldn't consider myself a
Madonna fan, but I definitely feel that album is the best she's done
so far.  Of course, I'm judging mostly by the singles...

Darren
From: koex0001@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: .. How to get SNL tickets ??
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:50:54 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <Jan.12.01.19.53.1993.8769@clam.rutgers.edu> malik@clam.rutgers.edu (adnan Malik) writes:
>
>     Can anyone tell me how I can get tickets to Saturday Night Live ?
> It's probably too late to get tickets for Jan 16th because
> Madonna is on but I might try going the next time Mariah Carey is on. 
>
>                    Thanks ...
>                      Adnan.

Call NBC to find out. They do the shows at NBC studios at the Rockerfeller
Center, NYC. (I ran into Rob Lowe and Chevy Chase when I was taking a tour
there last).

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: vctr@engin.umich.edu (Michel Victor)
Subject: Madonnasault '93
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 23:35:07 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: alt.fan.madonna

In the previews for the upcoming "Body of Evidence",  the fast clips 
show Madonna very unlike she has been in the past.  She looks "un-
made-up" somehow and this seems to be what will ultimately (and 
ironically) make her acting career finally really move.  I think that in 
the past she had played roles which mirrored herself so often that, as 
a viewer, it was hard to see beyond her own self-consciousness.  
   I had always thought that if she were to allow herself to be "de-
glamourized", at least for an instant, it would be her acting's 
desperate remedy.  The truly brilliant actors that come to mind, 
Robert De Niro, Bette Davis, Mandy Patinkin, all have ( or had), one 
common trait:  they are not afraid, as any actor should not be, of 
being perceived as being ugly or odd.  In Madonna's case, it seems to 
have been a fear of being perceived as vulnerable more than being 
ugly.  (I read somewhere that she fought Mamet's interpretation of 
Karen in "Speed the Plow" because he saw her as an 'angel' and she 
saw her as a 'cunt'.) And, ultimately, she played the role the way she 
wanted.   On the other hand, it is also difficult for the public to get 
over the tremendous Persona that scamps daily through the 
headlines and really try to believe that she is the character that is on 
the screen.  
    Ultimately, there have been very few who are quite as charismatic 
and as mesmerising on screen or stage as she.
    Happy viewing, kids.
xoxo.  

A

Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: vctr@engin.umich.edu (Michel Victor)
Subject: Madonnasault '93
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 03:29:59 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: alt.fan.madonna

In the previews for the upcoming "Body of Evidence",  the fast clips 
show Madonna very unlike she has been in the past.  She looks "un-
made-up" somehow and this seems to be what will ultimately (and 
ironically) make her acting career finally really move.  I think that in 
the past she had played roles which mirrored herself so often that, as 
a viewer, it was hard to see beyond her own self-consciousness.  
   I had always thought that if she were to allow herself to be "de-
glamourized", at least for an instant, it would be her acting's 
desperate remedy.  The truly brilliant actors that come to mind, 
Robert De Niro, Bette Davis, Mandy Patinkin, all have ( or had), one 
common trait:  they are not afraid, as any actor should not be, of 
being perceived as being ugly or odd.  In Madonna's case, it seems to 
have been a fear of being perceived as vulnerable more than being 
ugly.  (I read somewhere that she fought Mamet's interpretation of 
Karen in "Speed the Plow" because he saw her as an 'angel' and she 
saw her as a 'cunt'.) And, ultimately, she played the role the way she 
wanted.   On the other hand, it is also difficult for the public to get 
over the tremendous Persona that scamps daily through the 
headlines and really try to believe that she is the character that is on 
the screen.  
    Ultimately, there have been very few who are quite as charismatic 
and as mesmerising on screen or stage as she.
    Happy viewing, kids.
xoxo.  

Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: ea1205978@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Subject: Madonna gif 
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:09:15 GMT

Well, 
      Well, I just discovered about this group and I see the discussion
here is pretty interesting. 

	I am most interested about the talk on those gif files. Would 
it be possible that whoever that posted those files in the first place
please do so again? Because when it existed I didn't it exists. Now 
that I do they don't anymore. If they do please tell me where is it.

	======
	NEBULA
	======
	
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: koex0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: New Book
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:54:40 GMT

A new book has just been published, containing a collection of critiques
and essays about the M-woman, and her impact on popular culture. The title is

"the Madonna Connection: Representational Politics, Subcultural
Identities, and Cultural Theory", edited by Cathy Schwichtenberg (Westview
Press).
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From: jussiep@evitech.fi (Erik P{tynen)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: The Look of Love
Summary: The Look of Love
Keywords: The Look of Love
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:13:08 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: EVITECH


 THE LOOK OF LOVE

Should have left you standing right were you stood. Should have let you
go, should have had the sense to know. Like a train you'd come and I'd 
lose my place. Now I'm on this trip, I took a fall from grace.

Chorus:
Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, from the look of love, from the eyes of
pride. Nowhere to go, no place to run, from the look of love, now I've
come undone.

I've had enough laid out from the day I was born. But the roads are blocked
and the paper is worn. All the books I've read and the things I know never
taught me to live, never taught to let go.

Chorus

My conscience is clear, I know right from wrong. That's a lie, I know nothing
except that you're gone. But there's more to learn from the look in your 
eyes. And a trip 'round this world and the stars in the sky...

All the books I've read and things I know, never taught me to live, never 
taught me, to let go.

Chorus

Nowhere to hide, no place to run.
Nowhere to hide, no place to run.


-- 
    Erik P{tynen     *-*Born to fael*-*     Email: jussiep@evitech.fi
    EVITech 
                     Anonymous mail: jussiep%evitech.fi@anon.penet.fi
From: mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: madonna-book
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:27:27 GMT
Organization: GMD-Fokus (Berlin)

did someone digitize the pics from the erotica
or sex or whatever the name is book? 

- tB!
From: malik@clam.rutgers.edu (adnan Malik)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: .. How to get SNL tickets ??
Date: 12 Jan 93 06:19:53 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


     Can anyone tell me how I can get tickets to Saturday Night Live ?
 It's probably too late to get tickets for Jan 16th because
 Madonna is on but I might try going the next time Mariah Carey is on. 

                    Thanks ...
                      Adnan.
--___________________________________________________________________________

  Adnan Malik
  Malik@clam.rutgers.edu    "Now what does the little man inside you say ?
  Rutgers University         See you gotta listen to your little man <klek>.
  Camden, NJ 08102           The little man knows all !!"
                                                         - Kramer
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
From: cei352@cck.coventry.ac.uk (The Freak)
Subject: Tour.!
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:24:41 GMT

   I have read in some of the daily newspapers here in likkle ol' England
   that Madonna is planning to tour later on in the year.She is reported
   to have penciled in 5 dates at Wembley arena.But can anyone validate 
   this.?
   The press in England have a reputation of being economical with the truth.
   Thanks.
   Neal.
   
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