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From: dko@cs.wisc.edu (David Olsen)
Subject: Lt. Thomas TRACY of Norwich, Conn.
Reply-To: dko@cs.wisc.edu
Organization: Dept. of Computer Sciences, University of Wisconsin
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:38:45 GMT

One of my ancestors is Lt. Thomas TRACY, who moved from England to 
Massachusetts, lived in Norwich, Connecticut (and several other places 
in New England), and died in 1685.  There have been numerous books 
written about him, but they cannot agree as to who his parents were.  
I have seen various sources list his father as Nathianel Tracy, Paul 
Tracy, and William Tracy (Gov. of Virginia).  I can rule out Nathaniel 
Tracy.  I have one source each for Paul and William, and each of them 
has a lengthy explanation of why Paul or William is Thomas's father, 
but neither of them explains why the other is wrong.  I was wondering 
if anyone else out there has any information that would help resolve 
this conflict.  I can provide many more details about this situation
to those who are interested.

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David Olsen				University of Wisconsin
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From: michelle@mks.com (Michelle Lyon)
Subject: Channel Islands
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:49:14 GMT

Channel Islands
Does any one have any information on searching in the Channel Islands.
I am interested in the period 1800-1870.  Alice Williams was born in
Alderney in 1858.  I specifically interested in the island of Alderney.
Does any one have any addresses for archives, historical/geanological
societies, or Church archive (c of e).  I am interested in birth,
marriage and death records (of course).


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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:02:00 PST
Reply-To:     Roy@SOC.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
From:         Roy@SOC.SSCNET.UCLA.EDU
Subject:      Some useful definitions {:-)
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Apropos of Tom Lincoln's definition of various denominations, one of my
ancestors, William Kennedy, in 1858 wrote for his son his impressions of all
the members of the family, frequently commenting on people's religion.  About
one relative, he wrote "He has never had a religion; he's been a Methodist
all his life."
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From: cdstephe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Christopher D. Stephens)
Subject: Moore Family/Admiral George Dewey Connection?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:59:38 GMT

My great-grandmother, Gertude Florence Moore, born 31 January 1896 in
Mount Vernon, Jefferson County, Illinois, died 25 October 1970 in
LaPorte, LaPorte County, Indiana, always swore that she was related to
Admiral George Dewey. Her parents were Alexander Moore (nothing but name
known) and Melvina (1852-1936, last name not known). Does anyone know of
any Moores among the relatives of Admiral Dewey?

Christopher Stephens
(Looking for BOODY BUNCH BURNS CARPENTER DISBROW GILLAM GUMM HALE
KLINGER MATTHEWS MAY MCEWEN MILLER MOORE PHILO SIMMONS STEPHENS
UNDERHILL WALTERS)

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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:52:40 -0700
Reply-To:     Bill McBrayer <ASWFM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
From:         Bill McBrayer <ASWFM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      A question of tact.

I'm looking for suggestions on how to tactfully approach the following family.

Here in Arizona, we have a "gentleman" on death-row who is fighting his auto-
matic appeals (I believe we have someone on this list from NAU who is familiar
with this story).  Anyhow, the person he killed was his pregnant girlfriend,
who just happens to have the name BRIER.  Back a few generations, the family
of one of my cousins changed their name from MCBRAYER (or variant) to BRIER.
For those of us who have taken math classes, 1 and 1 usually adds up to 2, so
the odds that her family is related to me (although distantly), I feel, are
fairly good.

Is there a tactful way to approach them?  The information that I currently
have access to may not be sufficient to provide a link (ie, the info I have
on the BRIERs may end a few generations or cousins removed from them).  I'm
not planning to do this any time soon, but any tips would be appreciated a
great deal.  (Oh, this murder took place a year or two ago...1991 or before?)

Thanks,
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South Mountain Community College  MCBRAYER@SMC.BITNET  or @SMC.MARICOPA.EDU
Phoenix, Arizona                  (preferably ASWFM)

Lookin' fer MCBRAYER (aka McBrair, Macbrair, McBrier, MacBryre, Mackbrie,
   Mackbray, etc.   Also, BRIER).    Dumfrieshire, Scotland;  South-Central
   Pennsylvania, Eastern North Carolina, Kentucky, Georgia, Alabama, et al.
From: Deb.Koplen@f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Deb Koplen)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: GRUNDMEYER/KRUEGER
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:11:08

Seeking anyone who has knowledge of a "Mrs. WILLIAM
GRUNDMEYER" of Sleepy Eye who attended a funeral in February
1911 in Janesville, MN for Mrs. Caroline Wilhelmina KRUEGER
and was listed in Mrs. KRUEGER's newspaper obituary as a
SISTER.  Mrs. KRUEGER's maiden Name is GROSZ.  The only two
William Grundmeyer's that I have ever located in Sleepy Eye
are a William H. who's wife was HULDA UTECHT and a William
A. who's wife was EMMA ORTWEIN.  As Mrs. Emma ORTWEIN
GRUNDMEYER was the right age, I did some furthur checking
and verified that she had not been married before she
married GRUNDMEYER.  The Mrs. WILLIAM GRUNDMEYER that is the
object of my search would have probably been born in the
1850's and probably in FRYSTENBURG, Germany, and could have
emmigrated to MN in 1866, but all that is only a quess based
on the information in Mrs. KRUEGER's obituary.
     
Thanks for your perusal

 * Origin: Southern Crossroads DFW METRO 817-481-8984 (1:124/4115)
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:08:08 PST
Reply-To:     Dave Kemsley <kemsley@IPLD01.HAC.COM>
From:         Dave Kemsley <kemsley@IPLD01.HAC.COM>
Subject:      Re: SCANNING PHOTOGRAPHS
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

I have a question for all you netters:

Do ALL of the messaes sent by e-mail to "ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU" get put
into the soc.roots newsgroup? The volume of messages that go to my mailbox
EVERY day is just too high. I have a hard time seeing the "important"
:-) e-mail, i.e., work related when it is mixed in with all the other
ones. I'm thinking of unsubscribing and following this group with rn,
but don't want to miss anything. If all of the e-mail gets forwarded to
the USENET, what is the typical time delay from posting the mail to an
end user seeing it on rn?

Thanks

Dave
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: ROSE Query
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:10:18 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <9301271324.AA16716@slc4.INS.CWRU.Edu> Dick Rose <am681@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> writes:
>Seeking information on:
>
>Query:
>
>ROSE, Nathan (my gggrandfather)
>b. circa 1786
>d. 25-Jun-1849 in Town of Onondaga, Onondaga County, NY,
>m. Magdalen:
>b. circa 1786 in New Jersey or Mass.
>d. 12-May-1878 in Onondaga County, NY

Melvyl suggests that there are two single name journals/associations

13.
Author: Rose, Christine.
Title:  Descendants of Robert Rose of Wethersfield and Branford,
Connecticut, who came on the ship "Francis" in 1634 from
Ipswich, England / by Christine Rose. San Jose, Calif. (1474
Montelegre Drive, San Jose 95120) : Privately published by
Rose Family Association, 1983.
Description:    xvi, 512 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.

Notes:  Includes index.
Bibliography: p. [431]-436.

Subjects:       Rose family.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   CS71.R786 1983

14.
Author: Rose, Christine.
Title:  Rev. Charles Rose of Scotland & Westmoreland County, Virginia :
the first four generations in America / compiled by Christine
Rose ; editors, Seymour T. and Christine Rose. San Jose,
Calif. : Priv. print. by Rose family bulletin, 1976.
Description:    i, 34 p. ; 28 cm.

Notes:  Cover title: Rev. Charles Rose family of Scotland and Virginia.
Includes index.
Bibliography: p. 31.

Subjects:       Rose family.
United States -- Genealogy.
Virginia -- Genealogy.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   CS71.R796 1976b

"I am a Rose... and when I sing... I am a Rose like anything..."

Tom Lincoln (who will be out of town until Monday 1 Feb)

   February 1993
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    1  2  3  4  5  6
 7  8  9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:30:50 -0800
Reply-To:     Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU.SFSU.EDU>
From:         Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The State of Franklin
Comments: To: KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
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On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL wrote:

> Jim Freed asked me:
> >Rick, can you give the net a little history of the "pseudo-state of
> >Franklin".  Seems like I heard of it years and years ago, but cannot
> >recall anything about it.....  What was its boundaries and during what
> >years did it "exist"?
> >Thanks.
> >Jim Freed
>
> Well, I'm definitely no expert on this subject:

I'm not either but I thought the state of Franklin was established because
of Civil War differences.  It was a part of the state which was VERY
pro-Union and when Tennessee seceded from the Union, the state of Franklin
seceded from the state of Tennessee.  This would make its existance in the
1860's.  I have absolutely nothing to back this up -- just what I heard
when I used to live in East Tennessee.  Would be interested to know what
your final answer ends up being!

Frieda Davison
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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:05:00 LCL
Reply-To:     KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
From:         KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
Subject:      Is this message going through?
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Sorry to send this outto everybody, but I haven't received any ROOTS-L
messages since early this morning, and when I tried to FTP to vm1.nodak.edu,
I couldn't get through.  Is there something wrong with the site, or has our
local connection gone down?

Rick Kitchen
kitchenrn@ssd0.laafb.af.mil
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From: John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson)
Subject: Nichols/Lamb and now Longman(Somerset, Eng)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:38:07 GMT

For all those of you expecting some form of replies they will coming. I have
been super busy but last night I updated a chart and have 5 generations of
LONGMAN'S. Various firstnames and generations of Thomas and William etc.
c1782 to c1592 so if your family has a connection please let me know.

JOhn
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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Looking for place(s) to donate new KAUFFMANN genealogy book
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:58:05 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan21.200213.2139@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:

>>> A cousin who has been researching the descendants of Martin
>>> KAUFFMANN (born about 1590) is about to publish her work.  I'm
>>> ...[interested] in buying a few copies to donate to appropriate
>>> genealogy collections.

>If these are the same Kauffmanns I'm researching -- Swiss Mennonites
>who emigrated to Pennsylvania -- _please_ make sure that the Lancaster
>Mennonite Historical Society gets a copy!

Well, a branch of those Swiss Mennonites ended up in what is now
Greenbrier, Monroe, and Summers Counties in West Virginia, with
a large amount of intermarriage between the Kauffmanns and another
family with Swiss-Pennsylvanian roots:  Wenger/Wanger/Whanger.

I'm positive the West Virginia University Library would appreciate
a copy (if you haven't had to purchase the entire press run by now :-).

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From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Subject: Re: Dutch colony of Recife, Brazil
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:18:41 GMT

lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln) writes:
: In article <2B5F2DB0@ssd0.laafb.af.mil> KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL writes:
: >One of my lines is POLHEMUS.  They originally settled in Recife, Brazil,
: >which in the early 17th century was a Dutch colony, but they were apparently
: >driven out by the Portuguese and immigrated to New Netherlands.  Is there a
: >history of the Dutch colony of Recife written in English?
: 
: Melvyl says: "Piece of cake!"

: 16.
: Author: Huggins, Martha Knisely, 1944-
: Title:  From slavery to vagrancy in Brazil : crime and social control in
: the Third World / Martha Knisely Huggins. New Brunswick, N.J.
: : Rutgers University Press, c1985.
: Description:    xix, 183 p. : ill., maps ; 23 cm.
: 
: Series: Crime, law, and deviance series.
: 
: Notes:  Includes index.
: Bibliography: p. 159-167.
: 
: Subjects:       Recife House of Detention -- History -- 19th century.
: Crime -- Brazil -- Pernambuco -- History -- 19th century.
: Vagrancy -- Brazil -- Pernambuco -- History -- 19th century.
: Forced labor -- Brazil -- Pernambuco -- History -- 19th century.
: Crime -- Developing countries.
: Pernambuco (Brazil) -- Economic conditions.
: 
That's a bit unkind, Tom (!)

Richard Pennell, History NUS.
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From: rerickso@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ronald D. Erickson)
Subject: Re:      German Surnames
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:10:47 GMT


I do not know if this applies to German surnames or not, but
in Sweden men were given names when they were drafted into the
King's military service.  In that case, the source of the name
would be unrelated to geography or possibly logic.  

Ron
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:59:00 CST
Reply-To:     Evelyn - Reserve <ECA3813@TAMRIGEL.BITNET>
From:         Evelyn - Reserve <ECA3813@TAMRIGEL.BITNET>
Subject:      Re:Aldred Query

Mike:  Most of my information is at home, but will try to get home for
my lunch hour and relay what I have.  My husband Aunt and Uncle lived
in Colloden (sp), GA. and he worked in Macon.  Their name was Vivian and
Mansel Hammock.  You sister might have known them.  Most of the Aldred
family was in Warren Co., GA, then McDuffie Co., GA.  I will let you know
what I have if I make it home.  This is a really hectic time at the office
for me and sometime we ask the question "What is Lunch"  But my husband
might beable to relay it to me.  Is it cold in Colorado now.  My boss is
going to an ALA (Americal Library Association) meeting in Denver this
week.  Thanks - Evelyn
From: thompson@nde.unl.edu (norma thompson)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Trieburg, Near Frieberg, Germany
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:21:46 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
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Summary: Looking for information about  August Schatz Clock Factory in Trieberg
Keywords: Want Info on village of Triberg(or Trieburg?)


I recently learned from a relative that was in southern Germany that years 
ago (how many I don't know) he came across an anniversary clock with the 
name Schatz Clock Factory on it. He found it in Triberg, near Frieberg in 
the Black Forest area, but it was closed for the lunch period and he 
couldn't wait.

Does anyone know where this village is and if such a clock factory might 
exist.  I am searching for the roots of my g-g-grandfather whose name was 
Schatz.  We don't think he came by way of Russia, like some Schatzes did, 
but are following any leads we can to find where he and brother Georg came 
from.  His name may have been Marcus.

Thanks for any help.
Norma Schatz Thompson
Salem, Nebraska USA
thompson@nde.unl.edu

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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:12:24 EST
Reply-To:     Ann McWilliams <MCWILL@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>
From:         Ann McWilliams <MCWILL@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>
Subject:      Where from here (McWilliams)

I need suggestions.

My great grandfather was named Joseph McWilliams. I have been able to
find out very little.
This is what I know for sure:
     1870 Indianapolis, IN  marries Lizzie Hackett
                         (have marriage license)
     1880 Hamilton Co. IN   appears in census in Jackson Twp as
                            MCWILLIAMS (found because the rest of the
                            family listed correctly but no name for him)
     1894 Hamilton Co. IN   obituary lists him dying Dec 18 at age of 54
                            5 miles west of Arcadia

Problem: The only tidbit that any one knows of his origin is Parish
       Ardstraw, County Tyrone.
  How do I get him from Indianapolis to Ireland. I checked the City
  directory of Indianapolis for 1865-1872 and Joseph appears only in 1870

Any hints or suggestions are welcome.

Ann McWilliams
mcwill@admin.humberc.on.ca             Humber College
(416) 675-3111 x4585                   205 Humber College Blvd
                                       Rexdale, Ontario Canada M3L 1A8
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searching for  Anderson, Stallberg/Stellberg, McWilliams, Thomas, Hackett
From: smmyers@foghorn.srv.pacbell.com (Sean Myers)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Genealogical FTP site
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:10:14 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell OSSEM


Hello All,

     Can anyone tell me of a site that is heavy with genealogical programs and
info ?  

     Thanks !!!

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From: sharonl@informix.com (Sharon Levine)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Filiatrault Inquiry
Summary: Looking for info
Keywords: Family tracing
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:53:17 GMT
Distribution: soc.roots
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

Tracing family history and movement for a friend.  Possibly in Wisconsin
and/or Arizona.  Any information, no matter how small would be 
appreciated.  email sharonl@informix.com or mail to 46 Dewey Circle,
Morgan Hill, CA 95037.  Thanks.
:ZZ
S
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:25:00 EST
Reply-To:     JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
From:         JMFREED@CC.OWU.EDU
Subject:      Ohio Records and Public Access
Comments: To: roots-L@vm1.NoDak.edu

Some comments were made several weeks ago about public access to
records in Ohio.  Last evening I was brought up to date on one aspect:
The Attorney General has appointed a task force on this subject; the
task force is holding hearings in Columbus from anybody who is
interested in the topic.  A report with recommendation is due to
the Attorney General of Ohio in January 1994.  In the meantime two
bills introducted into the legislature last session were not passed, but
are being introduced this session, all towards making the records
"more open" than in the past.  If any of you have written to any
public office in Ohio and have been refused access to the records,
I would appreciate direct e-mail to that effect.  Documentation would
be advisable (send to Jim Freed, P. O. Box 864, Delaware, OH 43015).
Genealogists are represented on the task force by at least two
individuals, one (a member of our local genealogical society) who
is representing the Ohio Genealogical Society, and another
representing the Ohio DAR.  If you can send me personal stories
documented with any important and verifiable copies of
correspondence I will be happy to provide them to a member of
the task force....will not promise any aspect of what will happen
to them, but at least it may give them some ideas of "out-of-state"
interest or unhappiness with Ohio "policy".  By the way, I "think"
that the problem has not been so much with the current laws, but
with the lack of enforcement or follow through with what laws
are available.
jmfreed@cc.owu.edu
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Date:         Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:11:18 CST
Reply-To:     Rick Carpenter <gra_jrc@SHSU.EDU>
From:         Rick Carpenter <gra_jrc@SHSU.EDU>
Subject:      Immigrants to W. Florida Co., FL
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Does anyone know the location of W. Florida County in the 1820/30's?
 ne of my and
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