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From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide?
Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:50:21 GMT

>In article <BzB0BH.51K@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> crmoorle@napier.uwaterloo.ca writes:
>>Has anyone out there had any experience with Nitrous Oxide?  
>

Although I do not have any experience with nitrous oxide (other than at 
the dentist), I saw a V-MAX with a NOS system once. The guy said that 
it was like having an extra half turn on the accelerator. He had to detune
the V-MAX to make it managable. He also said that he had the same NOS
system on a 600 (I don't remember the make or model) sport bike and 
when it kicked in he said it felt like a sledge hammer.

Jolly Roger  


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing,rec.motorcycles.dirt,rec.motorcycles.harley
From: tomes@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: tests
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.194409.14151@colorado.edu> laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes:
>So like has anyone tried to lube their chain with
>slick 50? does it promote longer life? should i do
>this? i know everyone bitches about it in engines
>but what about chains?

So like has anyone tried to lube their clutch lever with
slick 50? does it promote longer life? should i do 
this? i know everyone bitches about it in engines 
but what about clutch levers?

I guess paying $20 for a bottle of oil is a good idea if you can't get
teflon spray lube (lots easier to use imo) in your area.

The only thing good about slick 50 and the rest of the PTFE oil treatments
is the amazing amount of "independent testing" and positive hype that has no
basis in fact.

The additives in slick 50 may or may not be compatible with o ring chains.  I
wouldn't take the risk of possibly ruining a >$60 chain to save (?) a few
pennies on lube or try something new.  If it ain't broke don't fix it.

CP "what chain lube?" Tomes
what is that amazingly rigid and squeaky thing where my chain used to be?


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: water-proofing gloves
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:48:14 GMT

azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:

>Waste of effort! You can only showerproof them at best. If you want waterproof,
>go to a climbing shop, get two layer mittens, and put plastic bags between 
>inner and outer. Then all you sportbikers, riding along in the racing crouch,
>have to worrry about is the way all the water on your jacket rumns down the
>sleeves and collects in the gloves.

Tip: Put your sleeves over the gauntlet, instead of the gauntlet over
the sleeve. At least with snugly closing sleeves like the Aerostich has,
I've found that water blowing up the sleeve is much less of a problem
than water dribbling down the sleeve into the glove.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Beer in saddlebags (was Re: Fabulous DoD Babes For Jeff)
Keywords: Beer- (like you guys couldn't figure it out ?? sheesh)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:24:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.025314.111@spdc.ti.com> orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Ken Orr) writes:
} You gotta keep in shape Ya Know- one way or another :-) I guess 20oz. (pints)
} would be better, although I'm not sure how they'd pack in the saddlebags :-)
} Guess I'll have to try on the next trip. Mark, Jeff, Bruce, You guys game ???
} How many pints will fit in a saddlebag w/wo ice ???? Hmmmm let's see, It's
} roadtrip time again :-) ???

For those of you in the San Jose area (and you can probably find these
elsewhere), Mirassou winery sells these nice insulated winebags. They're
designed to 2 bottles of wine, slightly separated by a velcro-closure
pouch holding a bag of refreezable coolant. The bag is very heavily
padded, and velcro seals at the top and has handy carrying handles sewn
on. Makes a great bag to put in the trunk or hard saddlebags with a
couple of bottles of wine, cider, or quart beer bottles. It is secure
and padded enough that you could also just cargo net it onto the seat
or even the tank.

Thought you folks might want to know about something that can keep your
important beverages safe and cool.
-- 
Curtis Jackson  DoD #721   '62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"    '81 Maxim 650
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
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From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: living to really flame! catching the tank on fire...
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:32:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.230701.5784@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis
Jackson) writes:
|> In article <1945@admin.mport.COM> max@admin.mport.COM (Max) writes:
|> }man, you'ld think that having a fire extinguisher near a gas pump
|> would be
|> }a federal law... 
|> 
|> Well, there is one at nearly every pump island, as I found out this
|> very morning. Although it isn't advisable to pour the window
|> squeegee
|> container water on your engine, when the spilled gas is evaporating
|> rapidly and some of it is boiling, you figure that the risk of
|> cooling
|> the engine metals enough to crack is probably low enough that it is
|> lower than the risk of catching the bike on fire. I sloshed perhaps
|> a quart of water onto the engine to wash the steaming gasoline off,
|> and all was fine.
|> 
|> -- 

Window squeegee water..eewww thats gross, ida recycled my
first morning cup of coffee first :-)

-- 
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Subject: Unleaded petrol
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:14:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * 501-985-0059 * Public Access Usenet


-> My ZX-11 owners manual says that I can put unleaded petrol in my bike
-> but, I've heard that it will damage valve seats in few years. Is this
-> true?

 No.

 Whoever told you that is in idiot.
                                
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From: James Tantram <gpz750@bnr.ca>
Subject: Res: Kawi GPZ 1100
X-Xxdate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 16:11:24 GMT
Organization: BNR Ltd.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:04:16 GMT


The GPZ1100 is impressively fast for its vintage but is definitely not 
a razor sharp handler. 

Here's what I know about it based on old magazine articles, talking to 
shop guys and from my rides on one (I also own an '83 GPZ 750):

  Minus':

* Frame isn't nearly up to today's (or even '86's) standards for rigidity;
* Could use beefier fork springs, especially considering to its weight;
* Its fuel injected (I beleive in '83): forget about re-jetting for a new 
  pipe/air filter;
* Early 80's rims: i.e. skinny;  Forget about doing Kevin Schwantz 
  impersonations on this one;
* Driveline can get jerky;

  Plus':
  
* Love the looks (I'm obviously biased);
* Decent city manners: comfortable sitting position, not hyper-tuned;
* Still very fast on the highway.  An over-all good sport-tourer as long
  as things aren't too twisty;
* Responds very well to suspension mods;
* It's stable at speed assuming the rear shock/head bearings are OK;
* Very reliable engine (in stock form);

I definitely love the entire old GPZ line and would've bought
the 1100 if it weren't for the insurance and the weight.

Things to look for:

* The pipes on these things rusted pretty quickly;
* Obvious stuff: chain/ring wear, crapped steering head bearings; faded
rear
  shock (mine went after 15,000 km.), etc.
* Long storage at low km without proper prep could also lead to big
problems;
  I'd let a trust-worthy shop check the beast out (especially compression/
  leak-down) before laying bucks down.

Good luck!

Dave (my ID is screwed silly: my name's not "James")

P.S. I've a similar questiion of my own.  I plan on complimenting
     my GPZ with an '86 FZ750.  I do a lot of long-distance/high
     speed travelling and was wondering what this thing was like for
     extended trips:
     
     Any thoughts?
From: matth@progress.COM (Matthew J. Harper)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: infant crawlers banned (was: Helmets)
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:48:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Progress Software Corp.

blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:

>bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>>ward@cs.uiuc.edu (Christ Ward) writes:

>>>I caught part of a scary thing on the News last night.
>>>Turns out that Cannada has banned infant crawlers and the
>>>U.S. may do the same.  Why? Because X number (I can't remember

>>Guy on the radio said it best the other day.  Six months old
>>babies are designed to stay where you put them, they are not
>>designed to be mobile.

>Yea, if god had meant for babies to be mobile, they'd have been born with
>motorcycles.
>-- 
>Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
>580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
>Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
>My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked

  Oh puhleease!

  Why is it that people cannot take some responsibility for their actions?  I 
read everything I could get my hands on related to this issue.  As far as I 
could tell *everyone* of the 6 kids that bought the farm from the walkers did
so because their *parents* basically put them in it and forgot about them! 
Just another case of unsupervised children getting into trouble.

  I don't mean to imply a 'it's their own damn fault' attitude here.  I just 
think it would be wiser to educate people than simply remove the hazards.  

  The mentality used for banning the walkers easily leads to conclusions of
calls for banning other items that are hazardous when not used properly such as
snow blowers, childrens bicycles, and of course, motorcycles.  (And we all know
that they have already started the attack on the motorcycle already.)

-Matth


          Matthew J. Harper ! Progress Software Corp. ! {disclaimer.i}         
   God created heaven and earth to grow barley and hops. Now he homebrews !-)  
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          Matthew J. Harper ! Progress Software Corp. ! {disclaimer.i}         
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From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Helmet Laws
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:54:24 GMT

In article <BzDAJx.L6B@cs.dal.ca> craig@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ryan Craig) writes:
>
>Here's an interesting question (at least I think it is):  Why is the federal
>goverernment in the U.S. so intent on implementing helmet laws?  The federal
>government in the US certainly doesn't pay for the health care of most
>bike riders, so there goes that excuse.  They don't force seatbelt laws down
>people's throats, as far as I know, although they do insist on stupid passive
>restraint laws that result in less effective seatbelts for people who already
>used them (I'm referring to those stupid belts attached to the doors, of
>course, as opposed to the proper solution, air bags, which still aren't a
>replacement for proper use of seat belts).  It all smacks of pure intervention-
>ism, without any real reason.  That's not to say that helmets aren't a good
>idea, or helmet laws for that reason, but what's the federal governments stake
>in enforcing seatbelt laws?
>

I think they used much the same blackmailing technique to get the states 
to pass seat belt laws.
   Philosophical ravings:  IMO, this country suffers from a "victim" mentality.
Nobody is responsible for their actions, according to the socially/politically
correct. Alcoholism, drug addiction, promiscuity are "diseases" and the 
"victims" are not to be judged, blamed, or held accountable for their actions.
Criminals aren't bad people (there are no bad people),they are "victims" of
a deprived childhood, which is a fault of society (read middle class white
male). If you do something stupid, sue everybody remotely involved for huge
sums of money. If you're lucky they settle out of court. For instance, you
borrow a friends bike, you don't have a license. You've never ridden and
you have no protective gear except for your friends helmet, which doesn't fit.
You fly down a twisty canyon road at insane speed and crash, breaking your 
silly neck. Rather than thinking "gee, that was really stupid, and as a 
result I'm paralyzed" you sue the bike maker, the dealer who sold it, the 
mechanic who worked on it, and the manufacturer of the borrowed helmet. If 
you slid out on a turn, you may also sue the tire manufacturer and the 
highway department. It's important to name as many defendants as possible. 
Many of them will settle out of court, because it's too damn expensive to 
defend themselves. Prices on all the related products, including insurance, 
go up to cover the costs. This ridiculous scenario occurs every day, as I 
found when I thought I might like to be a lawyer. It has driven many helmet
manufacturers out of the country or even out of business. Everybody is 
paranoid of getting sued, so they start to support laws to try and prevent
anyone getting hurt. 

   Getting off the soapbox. I could go on for hours, but I've got to get
back to work.

Jeff Achenbach


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From: sasmjw@unx.sas.com (Martyn Wheeler)
Distribution: usa
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Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Cary NC
Subject: Calling all Houston Denizens and other rec.motoists
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:31:17 -0500
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I just got mail from Rosi Derka (a.k.a. Rosi Tseu, a.k.a. The Terror
Of Toronto) that she asked to pass along to you folks.  She living in
NC now, but is visiting Houston in January.  I'll let her say it:

>hey...maybe yu can send out word on the rec.moto group...see if maybe any
>DOD'ers in the Houston area might wanna crash me hotel room when I'm down
>there in Jan.  I'll get there sat. jan.9 around 8pm....leaving wednesday
>Jan. 13 afternoon....I'm staying at South Shore Harbour Resort & Conference
>Center...yup...one fancy place....other than the few workshops and meetings
>taht I gotta attend, I'll probably try to get lost in Houston, check out
>the cowboys...oh...er..boots!  :) :)
>_______________________________________________________________________
>North Carolina (NASA) Space Grant Consortium  	    
>North Carolina State University         
>919-515-4240 (voice)                 Dr. Gerald Walberg, Director
>919-515-5934 (fax)                   Rosi Derka, Program Assistant
>rosi@ncsgc.ncsu.edu (email)

So, if there's any of you who want to get together with her, give her
a call (or mail).

Martyn
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From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Re: Neat AGV helmet on TV (I wish... list)
Summary: active noise cancellation
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:03:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.193704.4602@exu.ericsson.se> lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes:
>
>The only time I will be excited about a helmet is if it has "active noise
>reduction", reducing wind noise by say 40 db. A helmet that doesn't 
>need ear plugs!
>And when they have made plenty of money on that design they can adapt the
>active noise reduction system to all these 'straight through' exhausts.

Amazing coincidence.  Today I received my first demo of Sennheiser active
noise cancellation headphones.  All I can say is "    "!!!!

Damn.  I guess I was posting noise; it got cancelled out.

These things are incredible.  My lab is a cacaphony of noise when all the
gear is switched on (great environment for acoustic research, no?)  When
I switched the cancellation circuitry on, all but the high pitch of the
oscilloscope blower went away - no more disk drives, no more computer
fans.  Wow.

Of course, my first thought was, these things MUST be adapted to motorycle
helmets.  The ear elements are quite compact, and would fit into a normal
helmet if material was removed; it would certainly be possible to build
them into a helmet design with no trouble at all.  They weigh next to nothing,
and the circuitry is contained right within the ear cups.  An external
NiCad pack could be obviated by the bike's electrical system, I'm sure.

I'd like to test these on a ride, somehow, but it would take some serious
helmet carving - maybe I'll get my ancient Bell out and go at it.  By
virtue of their design, they are limited to cancelling low and mid-range
frequencies, but I have a hunch that they would work well enough to 
eliminate the need for earplugs.  That's something I'd love to see...
I hate earplugs, but am really addicted to being able to hear.

I am somewhat pessimistic about the prospects of advanced moto helmet
design, considering the fate of the BMW System helmets in this country
and the general litiginous nature of our society, but hope springs eternal.
This idea makes too much sense to be ignored forever.

Btw, current cost of the Sennheiser's is about 8 bills.  There's no
reason for that though; this is NOT rocket science.


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
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From: jcombs@nrchh023.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jim Combs)
Subject: Re: Sport Bikes
Keywords: Sport
  
  "What's all this talk about Spout Bikes,  and Spurt Bikes?  Why,  this is
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:21:30 GMT

the most rediculous thing I've ever heard.  Who in the world would possibly
want to make a bike out of a tea kettle part?   How much fun could this be?
What with all the tea sloshing around and making a big mess of things! This
is rediculous!!   These people need to be stopped!!   Stopped I tell you!!!
And Spurt bikes?!  Where's the fun here?   Spurting sounds dangerous to me!
Who would want to ride a bike that spurts wherever it goes?  You would just
be spurting and stopping,   spurting and stopping,   spurting and stopping.
Why,  that would give you whiplash!  This is the most rediculous thing I've
ever heard!   I say we ban  these Spout Bikes  and these Spurt Bikes before
this thing gets completely out of ..."

  "Uh,  that's Sport Bikes.   It's not Spout Bikes,   or Spurt Bikes,  it's
Sport Bikes.     ...Sport Bikes."

  "Oh...   Never mind."

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Combs
'91 XLH 1200

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bade@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Sportbike Reccomendation
Originator: bade@athena2.austin.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:54:14 GMT
Reply-To: bade@wombat.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Austin TX             


In article <5EU9K7B@netmbx.netmbx.de>, fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes:
> 
> The smallest 1000 bike I know is the FZR1000. My girlfriend is 1.64 meter
> and gets both feets on the ground.
She has more than 2 feet :-).......
-- 
Regards,

        Steve
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From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: The vertical 1/4 mile
Date: 20 Dec 1992 06:51:03 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec19.203501@cs.wpi.edu> ravi@cs.wpi.edu writes:
>    hey! our own motoring vehicle isn't all that bad you know? i read
>    somewhere (was it the recent issue of rider?) that the zx-11 leaves
>    the space shuttle lagging way behind in the quarter mile!!!

It seems to me that this is but a trivial variation on the recently 
concluded "accelerating down a cliff" thread.  The ZX-11 doesn't go 
anywhere straight up.

To make a fair comparison, you'd have to put the Shuttle on rails, or 
the ZX-11 on a really powerful, 1/4-mile-high magnet.


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From: kent@stanley.nde.swri.edu (Kent D. Polk)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Goldwings are darned interesting motorcycles
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:02:44 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas
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In article <1992Dec16.201827.26324@ncar.ucar.edu> jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan) writes:
[...]
>Goldwings are actually very interesting motorcycles. It would probably
[...]
>Doug's Aspencade, I can also say that they are remarkable nimble, feel

Ray Byrd, an old racer who owns an excellent MC shop here in S.A., broke down
last year and bought one since he only races dirtbikes in the old-n-decreped
class anymore and wanted to start touring. He wasn't very satisfied with the
handling, so went to work on it.

Simple, normal things like progressing fork springs, 20 wt fork oil during
summer (gets real hot down here), a fork brake and real rear shocks. The
fork changes made an incredible difference - he can now turn around in the
parking lot outside his shop :^)

Granted that Ray knows how to ride, but he can pretty much stay up with many
sportbikers now. They say it's darned intimidating to have the 1500's
headlights breathing down your neck :^)

----

I've been making similar mods to my PC800 (except can't find any rear shocks
anywhere). Despite the problems associated with having a Slinky(tm) trunk
mounted on the back, I don't think I do too bad, with grinding my boot soles
and centerstand pretty much every time I go out now. I can pretty much hang
in there with the sportbikers I have run across down here (up to normally
unreasonable speeds), though that isn't saying too much as most of them
around here don't really know what they are doing. It does seem to embarass
them a bit though, so maybe it will persuade them to work a bit better at it.
(And no, I haven't ridden with any of the hard-core Big Bend runners)

So pull out those checkbooks and get to work.

Kent Polk: Southwest Research Institute (will disavow any knowledge of me)
Internet : kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu
(DoF #)  : Eternal bliss can be obtained anywhere, especially on two wheels.
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