From: sperry2699@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Christian Racism
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:22:15 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

>>>I notice you conveniently side-stepped my earlier examples of all
>>>the stuff that's NOT in the bible... in fact, the bible only contains
>>>information that ordinary scholars of the period might be expected to
>>>know (or guess).  Since today we know a lot more of their history
>>>than they did, and we can see how much is NOT mentioned in the bible's
>>>comprehensive history of the Earth: is not the conclusion that the
>>>"all-seeing God" in the Bible is extremely limited by today's standards?
> 
>>Well, I thought I'd butt in here because I haven't seen a response to this
>>particular charge yet.
> 
>>The Bible is NOT meant to be a "comprehensive history of the Earth."
>>The Bible was written for the express purpose of recording God's interaction
>>with man to bring about salvation through a chosen bloodline (Adam, Noah,
>>Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc.), a chosen nation (Israel), and the Messiah
>>(Jesus).  The Bible is a record of God's plan of salvation for mankind,
>>not a comprehensive history.
> 
> Bringing salvation to *ONLY* a chosen people is not bringing salvation to
> mankind. 

God did not bring salvation only to a chosen people.

> The plot has not worked, 

"The plot?"  Hmmm...maybe you just haven't seen anything of it yet.

> bad performance of your omnipotent being,
> isn't it? 

Naaa...just bad observance or research on your part.

> And it is absolutely not the matter if it have been the Christians
> who failed at spreading the belief quickly, an omniscient thing would have
> known that.

Is this of importance?  The quickness of the spreading of the Gospel?

> Or would you be so kind as to define mankind for us?

No, you all do a bad enough of a job defining mankind.  Why spoil that with my
definition?
 
>>So your understanding of the purpose of the
>>Bible is flawed.  Besides, if the Christian faith is true, then which is
>>more important:  how the pyramids were built? or how you can be reconciled
>>to God?
> 
> Those who built the pyramids did believe in other gods, so they were probably
> in dire need of a reconciliation program, assuming that your god exists.
> Somehow your god must have overlooked that.

Does this question actually have to be answered?  Sheeesh...
 
>>>You don't think it strange that a being outside time and space should
>>>manifest himself only to a small group of "chosen people" in one corner
>>>of the mediterranean over a couple of thousand years ago?
> 
>>If God manifest himself from the begining to Adam & Eve and then to
>>Noah, then *all* peoples would have *some* knowledge of God.  Whether or
>>not it was corrupted or perverted over time is another story.  But returning
>>to the main purpose of why God has interacted with Man over the course of
>>history...God chose the group of people that would bring about his purpose,
>>the salvation of mankind, and it was recorded in the Bible.  The scope of
>>the plan was never limited to a "chosen people."
> 
> So you know your god personally and he tells you his plans? Be careful,
> what he tells you is not historical fact. The majority of humans has never
> heard of your Jesus.

What He tells us may not be a "historical" or "written down" fact.  But then
again, you deny His words that were written down anyway.

Christianity (crude term) is the most wide-spread religion in the world today.
 
> And using Adam & Eve in your reasoning as some form of given fact is the
> funniest thing I've seen this week. 

You don't get out much, do you?

> Apart from that it obviously matters
> a lot to your god if its message is perverted (look up the OT for references),

What were the OT refs that you gave.  (e-mail only)

> but even then the looser fails to bring it across so that everyone can see
> its importance, not to speak of its validity.
> 
> Assuming that your god orders it, would you commit genocide on other people?

First, ask yourself whether or not (assuming that God DOES exist) you think He
would order this to take place.

>    Benedikt

Evan

ps.  You know... you could just take the "atheistic" approach to life and DENY
that Christians exist, or the Bible, or other Christian artwork or literature..
that would make your life a lot easier.  But I seriously doubt that you could
do that.  Have fun with your life of denial.



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