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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Keywords: #1 Huskies Vs. #2 Wolverines in the Rose Bowl!!!!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:30:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>
>What sounds better
>Miami with it's 6 ranked opponents, at least 2 of which were top 7 teams,
>or Washington with it's 5 ranked opponents??  

Actually, to me they both sound pretty difficult.  I'd wager most teams in 
the nation wouldn't end up ranked at all playing either one of these
schedules, let alone get to argue about who is number 1.

>Seems to me that Washington is playing the patsies here...

C'mon Dave.  You just say that to make me feel good.

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From: nelson@clunker.b21.ingr.com (nelson jordan)
Subject: Re: SEC Preview (Oct. 10)
Organization: ^$
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:58:14 GMT

In article <70448@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>
>FLORIDA (1-2) hosts LSU (1-4):  Florida is not as bad as they have looked
>                                on the road so far, while LSU does not
>seem to be improving much as the season progresses.  Spurrier 
>maintains his perfect record in home games: Florida 27-10.
>J.J. Clyde's Pick: Florida 28-14                       ^^^
>Series record: LSU leads 18-17-3
>Last meeting: Florida won 16-0 (1991)

 Mark, what were you thinking? The only way LSU can score 10 pts. is with
a TD, missed extra point, and 2 safties. J.J.s' prediction is probably closer
to being correct (notice no multiples of 3).

>
>-- 
>Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>       "Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing 
>         swords is no basis for a system of government!"
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pac10 is the best conference so far
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:30:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

landay+@cs.cmu.edu (James A Landay) wrote:
}Tonight on ESPN, Chris Fowler claimed that the SEC was the MOST overrated
}conference this season (though he did say they were normally very tough,
}but having an off year.)  

So far it seems like a bit of an off year, and then adding in South Carolina
and Arkansas brings the average down a good bit as well.  However I 
wouldn't say that at this point the league is overrated since it
is not rated that highly to begin with.  The SEC has 4 teams in the
top 25 which certainly belong there (Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia,
and Mississippi State) and one which is questionable (Florida).
Hardly particularly overrated at this point in the season.

}In addition, he said that the SEC played only one top 25 team in something 
}like 25 out of conference games. He compared this to the conference mentioned
}in the subject line and said they played ~10 teams out of conference in the 
}top 25 and had a winning record against them.... Is this really true?

Keep in mind that the SEC typically spreads the out-of-conference games
out through the whole season.  However, the games outside the league
are for the most part really weak this year.

BTW, by my count the PAC-10 is 3-4 against the current Top 25, including
1-1 against #25 Kansas.

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From: jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Keywords: #1 Huskies Vs. #2 Wolverines in the Rose Bowl!!!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:36:23 GMT

In article <3a7E03TPa9w200@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>In article <92537@netnews.upenn.edu> taoc@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Chi-Chih Tao) writes:
>>
>>
>>My God.  There is *JUSTICE*.  I don't think Miami deserves to be #1 this year.
>>Miami wins simply because of sheer lucks (wow, how come so many guys missed
>>so much field goals against Miami?)
>>
>>And playing high school girl football teams most of the time and sneak by
>>two top 10 teams by sheer luck DO NOT qualify as #1!
>
>
>Where do all these brain-dead football "fans" come from? My god, why doesn't 
>anybody understand that the ability to block kicks on a consistent basis as 
>Miami has is just that -- an ability! These kids practice like hell, get off 
>the line like there's no tomorrow and block or influence kickers all the time!
...
>Cal stood toe-to-toe with Washington in its own backyard until that little bit
>of "luck."  Get a clue guys! Miami, now having supplanted Notre Dame as the 
>most hated team in the country, has a target on its back. You know you're a 
>great team when a team (like Arizona) can make their season by LOSING to you
>if only they can stay close!
>Ronnie

How true!  If the worst thing someone can say about Miami is that they barely
win their games, then they must be doing something right.  It is a hell of a
lot better than barely losing (ask Penn St. and FSU).
Just win, baby!

jc

-- 
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Seeker: Hmm... Wonder what he's _really_ trying to say...
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From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:30:18 GMT

apalon@stein.u.washington.edu (Andrew Alleman) writes:

>In article <TOMA.92Oct12142345@db.TC.Cornell.EDU> toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
>>Miami and Wash play a common opponent, Arizona. If Arizona goes up to
>>Washington, and doesn't do as well as they did against Miami, then you
>>have your answer. Wash #1. If they do better than they did against Miami,
>>then Miami #1. 

>I agree with you on this.  This will be the most reliable data point to
>apply when comparing Miami and Washington.  Transitive properties simply
>don't work in College football.  BTW - Washington plays AT arizona.

This is absurd.  Folloe this logic:

LSU beat Mississippi State 24-3.
Mississippi State beat Florida 30-6.

By your logic, LSU shoud have destroyed Florida.  Florida beat LSU 28-21.


David

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From: tomscud@ruf.rice.edu (Thomas Reid Scudder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:28:58 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rice University

In article <Bw5CBr.L8C@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham) writes:
|> Thomas Swann <ts3m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> >The University of Virginia Pep Band is the most entertaining (if not the
|> >most talented) "marching" band.
|> 
|> Yeah, right.  You actually think that it takes talent to do what they do?  How
|> much 'talent' does it take to form a circle in the center of the field, march 
|> around the circle following the leader, play Auld Lang Syne, and call it the 
|> world's first CD on a fottball field.  If that's a 'talented' band, I'd hate to

Much less talent than it takes to form a reel to reel tape player, play
"Louie Louie" while following the leader, then reversing and playing
"Louie" backwards, and then reversing again and playing it forwards again.
(A MOB stunt, which, sadly, was done one year before I arrived...)

And probably less talent than it takes to make the lines on your posts
short enough that they can be quoted ONCE without wrapping...

|> 
|> >Anyone know how many "marching" bands have been asked not to return to
|> >opposing team stadiums?
|> 
|> Now THAT'S something to be proud of... NOT!
|> 
|> 
|> 
|>   			   	   --------------------------------------------
|> 								  Jeff Beckham
|> 						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
|>  			 	      			       Marching Illini 
|>                                     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
|> 				   --------------------------------------------
Boy, you'd think that crowds actually CARE if you spend 200 hours a week
practicing precision marching...
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Tom Scudder                    tomscud@ruf.rice.edu
"It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, a half pack of
cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses."
"Hit it."
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: steve@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu ()
Subject: Re: OU-CU on tv (was: Re: Big 8 Review(10-13-92))
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:23:36 GMT
Reply-To: steve@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu ()
Organization: Geosciences Computing Network/University of Oklahoma
Keywords: ESPN

IT IS AT  7:30 EDT 6:30 CDT 5:30 MDT AND 4:30 PST
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Colorado-Missouri notes (was: Re: Big 8 Preview (10-5-92))
Keywords: Faurot Field
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:16:01 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations

In article <1992Oct6.152714.10966@den.mmc.com> kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:

>Starting junior LG Roger Ivey will not play because of persistant lower
>back pain; an MRI test indicates he may have a disc problem.  He'll be
>replaced by soph Clint Moore, who started in '91 but is coming off a
>sprained knee.  Moore will be backed up by redshirt freshman Chad
>Hammond.  On the other side, starting RG Craig Anderson will return
>after missing the Iowa game with a virus.  However, he lost 20 pounds
>due to the infection, and true freshman Heath Irwin (from Boulder HS)
>may play as his backup.  Counting starting redshirt freshman C Bryan
>Stoltenberg, CU could be playing 3 freshmen on the line.  Irwin is
>reluctant: "I'm nervous, real nervous.  I'd like to keep my redshirt.
>It would be good to learn this year."

Ivey's injury has been diagnosed as a herniated disk.  He will be
treated "conservatively" for two weeks, according to the CU trainer, but
could be ready (at the earliest) for the Oct. 17 game against Oklahoma.

>The Buffs are taking 4 different kinds of shoes to Faurot Field: the 3
>that they took in '90 plus a court shoe for extremely dry conditions.
>They plan to start with the extra-long cleated shoe, and are arriving in
>Columbia today to practice on Faurot.
          ^^^^^ <- actually, Wednesday

>Missouri is last in the Big 8 in rushing defense (205.8 yards per game),
>total defense (394.5), and scoring defense (22.8 points per game).

Worse, 1-3 Mizzou has had just 4 days to prepare for #9 CU after getting
their only win on Saturday against then #1 I-AA Marshall (whose coach
said it was the worst performance he's ever seen from his team :-).  CU
has had 12 days to prepare after beating Iowa on Sept. 27th, but took
five days off before practicing again last Thursday.
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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:16:13 GMT

In <1992Oct12.030351.17003@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:

>In article <3M6-h5#@engin.umich.edu> chyang@litotes.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>>
>>	I wouldn't be too sure about that.  PAC-10 defense has been 
>>revamped after what the HUSKIES have done.  Now, pretty much everyone in
>>PAC-10 plays the same style of defense as the Huskies.  Based on what
>>Miami-Arizona game.  I will be surprised if Miami even can keep up with
>>Stanford or CAL.   Don't be surprised if Miami does match up with Stanford
>>in a Bowl game (Provided that Stanford loses to Washington).  

>No chance.. I think Miami is going to stay unbeaten now which means they
>will be playing the highest ranked available team in some bowl game
>which probably will be A&M or FSU given their current ranking... There is
>no way Stanford is going to jump in front of these teams unless they
>beat Washington.

>>- Chung Yang   

>Njan
A&M is committed to play in the Cotton Bowl if they win the SWC (extremely
likely), and I think the ACC champion is committed to a bowl (Citrus?), so I
don't think this scenario would happen.
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From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: JP SEC GotW?
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:23:06 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Oct9.131158.10476@walter.cray.com>, kmartin@dogwood.cray.com (Kenneth B. Martin) writes:
> 
> Is the Auburn/Mississippi State game not going to be telivised at all?
> This will really be a great matchup, and really should be on T.V.
> 
> BTW, does anyone know what time the AU/MSU kickoff will be?
> 
According to B'ham papers (2 or 3 days ago), available only on pay-per-view,
and only in the state of Alabama.  Kickoff 6:00 p.m. CDT.

Larry Owen
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: TJFAN@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Pac10 is the best conference so far
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:33:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I know this post will generate a lot of flame, and that's why I posted it. =:)
From my not-very-biased point of view, Pac10 is by far the best conference in
CFA. Just look at the following:
 
Stanford (too bad that wasn't USC) over Notre Dame (Independent)
Washington over Nebraska (Big 8)
USC over Oklahoma (Big 8)
California over Kansas (Big 8)
Arizona ALMOST over Miami (Big East)
UCLA over BYU (WAC)
..anything else?
 
And also given the current AP or UPI rankings:
Washington (1 or 2)
Stanford (8 or 9)
USC (20)
Washington State (21)
California (out of Top-25 because the loss to Washington)
UCLA (out of Top-25 because the loss to Stanford)
..The reason that many of these teams are not ranked higher because they were
   beaten by other Pac-10 teams.

Any dispute that Pac10 isn't the best conference?
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From: chee1jz@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:14:22 GMT
Reply-To: chee1jz@Jane.UH.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Houston

In article <1992Oct11.004948.2006@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:
>
> Ah ha! someone to blame our lousy second half performance on!  You woofed at
>halftime!  What the hell were you thinking???? Actually I blame this one on 
>George Welsh. The entire second half, he insisted on running between the tackles
>Was hew trying to sit on the lead?  Jesus what a heart-breaker.

	Speed kills.  Size and strength don't hurt either.


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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ACC officiating (long)
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:54:53 GMT
Organization: Buffalo Stampede

In article <1992Oct8.194256.3038@iplmail.orl.mmc.com> davec@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Dave Crowder) writes:
>	Though I am an FSU fan I also thought the officials missed some very
>big calls that would have been in FSU's favor.  But all this aside, I must
>ask why does Miami hire an ACC officiating crew for a home game in the 
>Orange Bowl?  Is not Miami a member of the Big East?  Does not the Big East
>have officiating crews?

Why ...?  Because the best way to contest a non-conference game is to
have it officiated by the visiting team's conference, rather than by a
split crew from both conferences (which hasn't worked a game together
before) or a crew from the home team's conference (which might be
perceived as adding to the home-field advantage).

Is not ...?  Yes.

Does not ...?  Yes.
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From: rankinc@alden8.alleg.edu (Craig Rankin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Div. III W&J
Date: 10 Oct 92 16:00:59 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Allegheny College


W&J is in Washington, Pa. Which is about 1 hour southwest of Pittsburgh.
It is only 20 minutests from my hometown.
From: MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu (Spiro the Spiny Goldfish)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:52:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92286.225259MXD118
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Organization: Penn State University

Yep, the Hurricanes played like the Penn State of old, in that they were
outgained in every respect, and outplayed much of the game, but somehow
managed to win. Too bad Penn State isn't like that any more. :+(
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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:08:12 GMT

chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
[speaking of Washington's schedule...]
>	Wisconsin, as it turned out was a replacement opponent.  The 
>team that was supposed to play Washington this year was....
>SURPRISE!  MIAMI of FLORIDA.  Looks like the 'Canes weenied out on this
>one.  
>
>	Unfortunately, this decision was made a couple of years ago.  In
>exchange, Miami got Wisconsin to replace them.  

Is this really true?  What is your source for this information?

>	Anyway, Look for 4 Home-Home series between Washington and
>Miami starting the middle of this decade.  It should be fun.
>

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Pac10 is the best conference so far
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 02:59:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct12.173325.53750@watson.ibm.com> TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:
>California over Kansas (Big 8)
Purdue over California
>Arizona ALMOST over Miami (Big East)
You could say something about the Arizona losses though..
>UCLA over BYU (WAC)
Well, how about San Diego State (WAC) tying USC)
>..anything else?
> 
>And also given the current AP or UPI rankings:
>Washington (1 or 2)
>Stanford (8 or 9)
>USC (20)
>Washington State (21)
>California (out of Top-25 because the loss to Washington)
>UCLA (out of Top-25 because the loss to Stanford)
>..The reason that many of these teams are not ranked higher because they were
>   beaten by other Pac-10 teams.

Actually, California probably is out due to their loss to Purdue.  Had they
not lost to Purdue, they would have been ranked higher, and would not have
gone completely out of the top 25.  UCLA, Washington State, USC and Cal.
will probably not be in the top 25 much more this year, mainly because of
competition. If you look at it strictly like that (3 top 25 teams), I think
their may be other conferences with claims.  However, I would have to agree
that the Pac-10 may be the best in the nation, at least so far.  
>
>Any dispute that Pac10 isn't the best conference?

Nope.  Wouldn't say that t isn't disputable, but they would have to be up
there...
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From: behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian)
Subject: blah blah
Summary: Re: Pac Ten Woofing and Poofing (Re: AP Top 25)
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:35:42 GMT

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>
>Not so, Ronnie!  That description applies to Zona's game against
>Stanford at Palo Alto.
>
>Other surprising similarities between U-DUB and LSJU:
>
>* White haired genius coach
>* Punishing defense
>* Small quick RB with lots of all-purpose yardage
>* Win streak at the Rose Bowl
>* Similar weather (see Doug's report)
>* Washington's mascot is a dog, Stanford's mascot is a tree.
>
>Just a coincidence?  I don't think so.
>

  Rumor has it up here in Seattle that the UW Athletic Department is planning
to totally make the Husky mascot, Kin Redoubt (Alaskan Malamute), drink a 
lot of water and not relieve himself before the game.  Then, they are gonna
unleash him on the Stanford mascot at just the right moment.

Hey, it is worth seeing!!  It'll give us something to cheer about even if
  we lose the game.

I am looking forward to that game.  We will have two of the top four teams in 
the PAC-10 going at it...  This is one that will be a toss-up!!  So, pick 'em
folks.  

IMHO Walsh has done an excellent job.  Granted, these are Dennis Green's 
recruits, it takes an excellent coach to take over a group of young athletes
and have success with them in the first (transition) year.  Before the season
I thought that Stanford was gonna have a tough "transition" year, but they
look to be a step quicker than last year.

See ya in Seattle!!  Anyone coming up here?

-Behzad