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From: danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Metropolis/Gotham/NYC (was Re: New Titans #89)
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:48:05 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Jul21.173900.29311@gtech.com> caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:

>
>Color me lost, but, I thought that according to the maps, et al in the DC 
>Heros game, Gotham was actually Rhode Island.
>
>Correct me am I wrong
>
I'm not sure about DC game maps but Gotham is in New Jersey. I believe it's
on a map somewhere. Also in a LSH "Tenzil Kem"(sp?) story, Tenzil 
misinterprets an archeological find in New Jersey that's obviously the 
BatCave. (Large dinosaur, giant penny, and giant Joker card are found as
well as some Batarangs on a table.)

..................................................................
: Daniel Frank           Batman: You've done it again, old chum! :
:................................................................:

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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: Blue Devil & Showcase (was Re: Crisis on Inf)
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:21:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.023941.10693@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>
>>right now).  The name is from the original Showcase title, which ran
>>back in the 70's I believe (that's what I get for just skimming the
>
>Sigh...Showcase did have a run in the 70s (and was cancelled in the '78 DC
>Implosion), but it was a revival of a much longer run during the 50s and
>60s. Characters who debuted in Showcase and went on to their own books included
>Flash, Green Lantern, Atom, Lois Lane (for her own feature at least), Creeper,
>Hawk & Dove, etc.
>
And, and Anthro! and Dolphin and lots of other great things!  Sorry, couldn't
find my thorazine, I'm okay now, really.  God, I miss that book.  Well, I
don't miss what happened to it in the 70's, but what a bargain it was
before it got watered down.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
............................................................
"Every morning and every day, I Bossanova wit'cha!"
   --- the Pixies
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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From: eja@north8.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Crisis on Infinite Earths, 6 years later
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:36:44 GMT

Does anyone remember an article in Amazing Heroes, about a year after Crisis
delineating a possible DC universe timeline?  I believe it was in the
same issue as the Green Arrow: Longbow Hunters preview.  I contained a few
serious kludges to keep everything together, and the author later admitted
that such a project was pretty much impossible, but it was a food effort and 
an enjoyable read.  It might be interesting if someone could dig it out and
see what in it has been retconned away in the five years since it was published.


Eric Akawie; Freelance Messiah
eja@acpub.duke.edu
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From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN - SPOILER
Keywords: sandman spoiler
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 07:18:22 GMT

In article <sajm1p#.dhawk@netcom.com> dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins) writes:
More spoilers below...




































>Two things: 
>1. I think the Sandman's love has been Johanna Constantine.  I think
>the deal he made with her back in 'Thermidor' had to do with keeping
>her in his world when she died - and we now know when that was.  (The
>only other deal I can think they made was that he'd father a child for
>her - a child of the Endless.)

Good prediction, and I'm inclined to believe you (what purpose do people
think the sequence with Orpheus had otherwise?).  But it still raises two
questions in my mind:

1) Suppose Johanna stayed in the dreaming for 200 years or so.  Why has
Dream put off whatever bargain he made with her for so long?  Perhaps 
because she wasn't ready yet to ask him for the favor and wanted to wander
for two centuries...?  But what you say makes sense and would tie up lots
of loose threads (and, remember, there's only 18 issues left says the 
lettercolumn).  Also the quote about "she's not his type" (he has one?)
would be explained if he was paying her back for the rescue of Orpheus'
head.

2) If she was paid back as you say, why would she have fled him (as the
preview for next issue says his lover has)?  There are many possibilities;
I'm just raising the question.

If Johanna did bear a child of the endless, does this still fit correctly
with John Constantine's family history (I'm not too familiar with it
besides the fact that he has the "blood of demons" running through his
veins).

>2. I think the departure of Destruction was because of one of Desire's
>plots and that this series of events is going to reveal that.  That's
>why s/he is desparate to get in touch with Despair and to keep
>Delirium from investigating further.  Delirium either knows or
>suspects that this is the case.

Probably true.  We've been shown too many times that Desire plays these
kinds of tricks.  We now know, too, that Despair had a special liking for
him, making her the reason for his departure unlikely (although she might
have helped Desire; we'll see).  Who does that leave?  Dream?  No way.
Death?  She also liked Destruction.  Delirium?  We're shown here that
she liked him a lot (Delirium also appears as a much younger girl than
she has in the past in this issue which was interesting.  I noticed her
clothes were very baggy also suggesting that she might change forms
(older/younger, etc.).  Any opinions?).  Destiny?  No, he never involves
himself directly in the affairs of others.  That leaves Desire whose
involvement was hinted at in this issue.  

Of course, Destruction could have left for other reasons....

I liked the portrayal of Destruction as the "bringer of change" instead
of the "Devestation"-type figure that he could have been.  

--dave
"Excuse me, but do have this one in a Miss Piggy?" _The Blues Brothers_
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Marvel Masterpieces cards
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:22:43 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Could someone e-mail me the list of magazines that will feature promo cards
from the Marvel Masterpieces set?  Thanks a bunch...

JRjr

-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
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From: dhawk@netcom.com (David Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: SANDMAN - SPOILER
Summary: think i've figured it out
Keywords: sandman spoiler
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:33:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

No, kidding, I think I've figured out the plot line for this series, so
quit reading now if you don't want it spoiled for you.  Not that I'm
necessarily right, but ...

Two things: 
1. I think the Sandman's love has been Johanna Constantine.  I think
the deal he made with her back in 'Thermidor' had to do with keeping
her in his world when she died - and we now know when that was.  (The
only other deal I can think they made was that he'd father a child for
her - a child of the Endless.)

2. I think the departure of Destruction was because of one of Desire's
plots and that this series of events is going to reveal that.  That's
why s/he is desparate to get in touch with Despair and to keep
Delirium from investigating further.  Delirium either knows or
suspects that this is the case.

Well?  (I was right about Gilbert being a place, so maybe this time,
too?)

later, david
--
David Hawkins    dhawk@netcom.com
"Wisdom is the reward you get for a lifetime of listening when you'd
have preferred to talk." -- Doug Larson
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From: mmunoz@vxcrna.cern.ch (MUNOZ,MARC./DG)
Subject: Re: DC:TITANS: The mysterious leader is revealed (Spoilers)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:21:00 GMT

I've miss the last issues of the Titants Hunt. Would someone mind send me
a small briefing of the history.
T.I.A.
				MArc

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From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: Sandman 41: the many titles
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:37:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.185606.2077@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> carlinra@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Robert Carlin) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.082026.21266@leland.Stanford.EDU> doom@leland.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Brenner) writes:
>>
>>"THE NUMBER YOU HAVE DIALED..."
>
>Is "The number you have dialed..." from a murder mystery, translated into 
>film by Alfred Hitchcock?  I think the title I'm thinking of is "Sorry,
>Wrong Number" or something along those lines.

Are you thinking of "Dial `M' For Murder"?


--
  Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
"Like private parts to the Gods are we, they play with us for their sport."
     - Lord Melchett, "Blackadder II"
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Crisis on Infinite Earths, 6 years later
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 23:59:52 GMT

In article <mumble-2> ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) writes:
>
>> Article <grumble-2> From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
>
>> In article <mumble> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>> >In article <grumble> sf034281@owl.cellb.bcm.tmc.edu (Shurron M. Farmer) writes
>
>> >>1. Is the series History of the DC Universe (By Marv Wolfman and George Perez
>> >>   still valid?
>
>> >	Parts of it are, parts aren't. Of the top of my head, the bits about
>> >Hawkman and Captain Atom need to be changed.  For the most part, it's okay.
>
>> As I recall they also had a team shot of the Justice League that
>> included some characters who were supposed to be/have been members but
>> never were, like Blue Devil.  (But, I could be remembering something
>> else; it's so long ago!)
>
>You are definitely remembering wrong.
>
>Not even the Joke League America or Joker League Americaa
>had the Blue Devil had a member.
>Even Giffin did not step that low!

I wasn't saying that Blue Devil ever was in a League book, but that
The History of the DC Universe had a team shot of the new League and I
seem to remember Blue Devil being pictured in it.  Obviously a
decision was made after HotDCU to not include BD in the JL* (if I'm
even remembering things correctly).

As for Giffen not stooping that low, I wouldn't put it that way (I
like Blue Devil) but from the letters pages during his run it was
obvious that someone on the JL staff did not like BD at all.

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."
From: mickey@brahms.udel.edu (Ernest McCarter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Double Covers?
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:19:47 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware


At a convention this last weekend, I happened to purchase Spectacular
Spider-Man #63.  I read it yesterday and discovered that it had
a double cover.  My questions on this:

(1) Am I right in assuming that not all copies of this issue came like
	this?

(2) Is this one of those things that a rather picky evaluator would
	use in judging the value of the comic?  

Just idly curious....

Mick

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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Comics Humor...
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:22:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.194341.22334@sura.net> wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:
>In article <63879@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>>CALVIN:  The best thing about Captain Steroid comic books is that every issue
>>	 is number one.
>
>Of course, Groo came up with this joke first!  Groo has been doing this
>joke for months now!  Which is proof that Groo is an indicator of
>things to come!  Groo is God!

Hmm, maybe OM wasn't so far off the mark with his formerly constant
accusations of my being a "net.god". 'Cause I came up with this idea
and posted it to r.a.c. about a year ago. The exact form being that after
X-Men's five covers, DC should issue 200 or so different #1s for Superman:
Man of Steel, one per month, each with not only a different cover but a
different story to boot. And even different creative teams. 

I guess this means I can buy a rip-off C&H t-shirt and not feel guilty now. :-)

"Okay, one last time...
 This is Calvin...
 This is Calvin on Chocolate-Frosted Sugar Bombs...
 Any questions?" --Jim Drew
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: buzzsaw@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael Elias Campbell)
Subject: Re: Duckburg (was: Duckburgh)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:05:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.191743.10815@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Calisota = California + Minnesota, obviously.  Thus, it's like California when 
>needed, and like Minnesota otherwise.

 Personally, I'm of the opinion that Duckburg is just down the coast from
 St. Canard :)
From: gmsmith@vms.macc.wisc.edu (GREG M. SMITH)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Origin Stories
Date: 27 Jul 92 01:41:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

I've been wondering about the reasons why mainstream comics (I'm principally
thinking about DC titles here) have a tendency to gravitate toward origin 
myths.  I'm not talking about the economically motivated practice of retconning
superheros. Even within a continuous run of a book there seems to be a tendency
to revisit and remake the hero's origins.  Animal Man, for example, had one
origin story within the Grant Morrison run, but each subsequent writer (Pete
Milligan, Tom Veitch) has shown that Buddy Baker was "mistaken" about the true
nature of his origin.

One explanation might be that the modern comic writer, in order to leave his/her
personal stamp of artistry on a comic, feels the need to remake the character's
origins.  If so, when did this start?  With Alan Moore's Swamp Thing and 
Marvelman/Miracleman?

But maybe this explanation doesn't quite work either.  It seems that Grant 
Morrison is redoing the origin of the Doom Patrol, even though he's been working
pretty much within the continuity established by Kupperberg's retcon for quite
a while now (almost 40 issues), unlike any of the aformentioned authors who
have changed the character's origins soon after they started work on a title.

And what about Legends of the Dark Knight? This comic's emphasis on the early
stages of Batman's career (though they're hinting that they'll work with the
later Batman in upcoming issues) seems to indicate that this book is designed
to give several different artists a crack at putting a different twist on
Batman's (or his supporting characters') origins (a new version of Hugo Strange,
for instance).

Certainly all cultures are drawn toward creation myths (Adam and Eve). It just 
seems that there's more to this trend in comics than a simple explanation can
handle.  What do other people think?

Greg
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC:TITANS: The mysterious leader is revealed (Spoilers)
Date: 31 Jul 1992 17:26:06 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <Bs9IM3.I6G@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:
>No they havent out and out said it in Team Titans numbers 1, but 
>in the main story and particularly in Terra's story we see the Leader as
>having Orangish Red hair....this cnfirms in my mind that the Leader of
>the Team Titans is indeed......Donna Troy's Son.  No Not Lord 

	Ding, thank you for playing.  My bet is that the Mysterious Leader
is none other than Terry Long.  They've been beating us over the head with
"Terry is a wimp" lately, and IMHO, it's to make us not suspicious about
Terry.  I think it's the Sarah Connor syndrome.  Ordinary dude gets 
forced into becoming a great military leader....
	I suppose it could be Speedy, but Terry is my choice. 

	Anyway, I really doubt that Lord Chaos really is powerful enough
to take over the world.  IMHO, the combined Justice Leagues (esp Superman,
Guy, and Green Lantern) would be able to stop him.  (Not to mention
folks like the Spectre or Dr Fate)

>	All in all I am really beginning to like the Total Chaos storyline
>I only wish they would have gone into this and not the Wildebeest garbage.

	It's better than the Wildebeast arc.  But so is a root canal.

>P.S. for the observant in Terra's issue at the graveyard you can see a
>marker for Raven, interesting considering she didnt have one at the funeral.
>(doubly interesting since we all know that she isnt dead afterall and is due
>to come back in a few issues)

	BTW how were the origin stories?  I was originally going to just
buy the Nightrider ish (I'm a sucker for vampire stories), but I ended up
grabbing the Terra issue, for the Perez inking, which was great.
	I liked the both issues I bought.  (However, the main story was
pretty weak in comparison.  It was nothing but a slugfest, with a bit
of teen angst thrown in.)
-- 
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Duckburg (was: Duckburgh)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:17:43 GMT

Calisota = California + Minnesota, obviously.  Thus, it's like California when 
needed, and like Minnesota otherwise.
     Dave Van Domelen, plans to wrap up here in time to catch Darkwing Duck
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Hulk #397
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:47:55 GMT

     Dunno...sounds like a pretty normal year for the funnybook Rick Jones.  
Has *your* year been like this, RL Rick?
     Dave Van Domelen, thinks the Keown version of Redeemer looks like a 
superdeformed Gundam or something like that...too cutesy.
From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Heckler
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:53:31 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Jul26.154348.1@fnalo.fnal.gov>, morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Citizen Elmo) writes:
> 	I'm a big fan of Ambush Bug, so I would normally have bought the
> Heckler.  However, I'm boycotting it because the same team is responsible for
> IMHO axe-murdering the Legion.
> 	Well, it matters to me....
> -- 


The book was okay and as a Giffen junkie I liked it.
It is not, however, a title to be compared with Ambush Bug.
The Bierbaums on there best day cannot write as well as Fleming.
If you liked Ambush Bug track down the March Hare underground comic.
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Tomfool)
Subject: Re: The Books of Magic
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:13:55 GMT

jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W Lai) writes:

>Is it news that DC is working on a graphic novel of the four books?  I saw Neil
>Gaiman at a signing yesterday and had the fortune of seeing a man bring in a
>piece of original art to be signed, to have Neil tell him that DC had been
>hunting down that panel so they could correct a slight error in the positioning
>of a word balloon.

Hmm, the four issues collected.  That could be nice.  I was unfortunate
enough to miss issue 3 when it came out.  I have since been informed
by the local dealers that that issue is hard to come by, and that if
they did come up with a copy, it would cost me at least $10.  Of course,
there's no way I would ever pay $10 for it, unless I had someone lined
up to give me $15 for it. :) 

Is the third issue harder to find than the others in other locales?  If so, 
why?

Tom
From: csh019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Faust)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: YUMMY FUR/ Drawn & Quarterly
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:11:56 GMT
Organization: abUSENET, Coventry University, Coventry, UK

In article <13771@mindlink.bc.ca> Judith_Beeman@mindlink.bc.ca (Judith Beeman) writes:
>Hey ho. Now I don't read this group all too often so feel free to email me
>direct if you wish. I've been reading Chester Brown's excellent book for only a
>few issues now --no, I have no idea where the hell I was before--tis truly
>interesting stuff. As of yet I don't quite "get" Ed the Happy Clown or some of
>the action that's taken place...I have issues #10 (flame pit), !8 (Ed on
>cover), 2 thru 28. Very cool I hope to pick up back issues and catch up.
>
>At the end of June I went to Seattle to meet Peter Bagge (HATE is GRATE), Julie
>Doucet (Dirty Plotte #5 is now out and as excellent as ever), Mary Fleener and
>Jim Woodring (equally as nice folks tho Jim's "Frank in The Woods" didn't move
>me too much...again maybe its my comprehension. wink.)
>
>D & Q seems to be, along with Fantagraphics, thee comics that truly matter.
>Then again I've been reading the reissues of Marvel's GHOST RIDER (orig) I'm up
>to #3...totally fun. Vroom.
>
>oops just reread this...that should be I have issues 25 thru 28 for YF. Later,
>j.

	And...?

	
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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Doom Patrol: Where was the Chief?
Date: 27 Jul 1992 22:24:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <1992Jul27.220120.26636@uwm.edu> ultron@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Andrew H Krieg) writes:
>
>Where did they finally find the Chief?  How did he survive the explosion of
>the island?  What was he up to the last 2 years?

	I think he just turned up and started running the show.  I 
believe he claimed he was playing dead to throw his enemies off his
trail.  Anyway, he's been an advisor to the President, and up to
his mad scientist tricks.

>What happened to the kid who was hiding in the Doom Patrol to escape the
>police?

	If you mean Karma (the guy with the Mohawk), he was killed in
Suicide Squad during War of the Gods.

>How did Scott and Celsius die?

	Celcius died fighting aliens in Invasion.  Scott died when the 
gene-bomb (set off near the end of Invasion) caused his powers to
go nuts.

>What happened to Negative Woman?  How did Negative Man get the energy back
>from her?

	I'm not sure how it worked, but somehow the Energy Being 
revealed it was alive all this time, and decided to merge Larry 
(Negative Man) Dr Ellenor Poole and itself into one being, Rebis.

>Are any of the issues in the gap of #10-#18 worth picking up?

	Beats me, I picked up the title with #19.
-- 
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