From: stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Influx of Californians? Gee--what a surprise!
Date: 21 Nov 1992 12:03:53 -0500
Organization: Yale University
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In article <1992Nov21.141950.16504@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:

>You're missing my point.  Even if *everyone* thought CA and OR were equally
>preferable (and thus were as likely to move in either direction), one would
>expect to see a net flow of CAers to OR.  Why?  Because there're more CAers
>than ORers.  It's simple mathematics.

If it is treated as a fluids problem though, and we take into account
the net area open to 'settlers' ie discounting national forests and the
like, then that lends a different light to the analysis... :)  Anyway,
I'm a history major - I've no need for mathematics, nor do I have to
accept the fact that the flow of Californians won't stop..

>I sympathize (as a potential future ORer), but you might just as well curse
>the sky for being blue.  As long as the population of the earth is increasing,
>expect to see more people everywhere.  Even if you shoot all immigrants at the
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I've actually heard this solution touted quite a number of times!

>Support more measures like 9 and OR will get a rep as a Nazi hell-hole.  That
>should help some.  :-b

Again, I personally know people who voted for measure 9 for EXACTLY that
reason - they were not personally committed to either camp (which is not
surpising.. a lot of Oregon communities have NO visible gay
communites)... but they knew the national uproar, and thought it would
be a good (relative term here) image builder!  I'm totally serious -
this is how deeply this issue is felt in many Oregonians.... 

>
>There was a popular sign here a while back was 
>
>	Welcome to California, 
>	Now please leave. 
>
>I doubt OR's situation is really unique.  Can anyone quote some hard
>statistics?  Is OR's population growth rate the highest in the country??

I think you now are missing my point - it is not Mathematics or
Statistics that are important - Oregon IS unique in her situation... it
is a wonderful state unrivaled in natural beauty, in people, in
atmosphere, and it is being spoiled....  You can not possibly say well X
represents the CA population, Y represent the OR population, etc, etc,
etc, ... so therefore it is OK that all these people are coming in.
Sure it makes sense mathematically, but for those communities where a
hard working family cannot afford to live because of inflated prices due
to CA'ers, I don't think your mathematics are going to wash.  Perhaps it
does not fit your logic, but for a native Oregonian, born and raised in
the greatest state in the Union, it is crystal clear.  Just becuase
there seems no way to stop it, or it fits a certain explanation doesn't
mean it has to be accepted, or that is is ok.... 



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