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From: ron@vicorp.com (Ron Peterson)
Subject: Re: Effect Ordering and Effect Loops
Keywords: effect loops, effects
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:07:05 GMT

In article <Bxu0w7.8oF@cup.hp.com> balon@cup.hp.com (Tom Balon) writes:
> 
> 	Do you folks find a significant difference in your sound as a
> 	result of the ordering of the effects you use ? Do you find
> 	the effects sound different in and out of the effects loop (if
> 	you have one) ? Just curious.

I've noticed quite dramatic differences in the way effects sound depending
on the ordering.  Not because of how the effects interact but because of
the matching of signal levels.  For instance, my Roland digital delay
has -20dB and -35dB inputs and outputs while the Zoom has -10dB inputs
and outputs.  Connecting the delay into the Zooms external inputs results
in a very weak signal out of the Zoom.  Putting the delay before or after
the Zoom allows matching levels with input signal controls which makes
for a much less noisy and more "present" sound.  I've found that where
I put a volume pedal in the effects chain makes a similar difference due
to impedance matches.
  There are also some fairly obvious interactions between effects.  A
volume pedal before a fuzz box results in little fuzz at low volume while
if you put the volume pedal after the fuzz then even low volume will still have
fuzz.  The weirdest one I've run across was a CS-3 compressor-limiter
from Boss that wouldn't compress unless it was the last effect in the
chain.
  I've occasionally tried parallel effects chains also like so:

                     ___microphone (to pick up sound from room)
                    |
                    -Equalizer-
                    |          |
              _____reel to  ___|__________
             |     reel echo              |
   signal----|                            |---- output
             |______fuzz--flanger--etc.___|

which quickly becomes an interesting exercise in volume control and mixing.

ron@vicorp.com or uunet!vicorp!ron
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From: bud@megatek.com (Wayne Francis)
Subject: Re: Effects questions
Reply-To: bud@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:17:36 GMT

In article <1ejcebINNmcp@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> edison@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Thomas Matthew Callen) writes:
>This may seem like a strange question but I need to ask it nonetheless.
>I have had an electric guitar for about three years now and I am not 
>satisfied with my current set-up.  Right now I have a Peavey Patriot
>guitar and a small Gorilla practice amp (with built in distortion).
>I would like to buy some guitar effect pedals but I don't know which
>ones I should get, since I don't know what they do.  I would like to get
>some effects that will allow me to play a considerable wide range of
>music (rock, heavy metal, pop, etc...)  Are there any suggestions?
>Anything to stay away from?  Replies will be greatly appreciated, either
>by e-mail or posting.  Thanks...
>
>
>-- 
>  Tom Callen                            "It is better to have wise people 
>  EDISON@matt.ksu.ksu.edu                reprimand you than to have stupid
>  Kansas State University                people sing your praises."  
>                                                      --  ECCLESIASTES 7:5
   With the new generation of multiple effects processors coming out it seems
that used ones from the previous generation are available at very good prices
everywhere you look.  Judging by the equipment you say you have it looks like
you are not a player who demands the newest, best and most expensive gear to
make you happy (and there's nothing at all wrong with that).  Look around in
pawn shops, local newspapers and even the bulletin boards in your local
music stores.  I recently got a Boss ME-5 in trade for an old guitar.  It's 
obsolete but I think it's great.
From: bbs.cement@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Christopher Clement)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: What does Mark Knopfler use?
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:30:18 GMT
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238

karl@dixie.com (Karl Klingman) writes:

> uh311ae@sunmanager.LRZ-Muenchen.DE (Henrik Klagges) writes:
> 
> >chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus) writes:
> >>Strats, a Tele (used on "Walk Of Life"), a Les Paul ("Money For Nothing"),
> >>a head and bodyless guitar (couldn't ID the make from the lawn section :-( 
> 
> >It's a Steinberger.
> 
> What about the rest.  What effects and amplifiers does he use to create
> that unique sound?
> 
> -- 
> He who would trade his liberty for  |  Karl Klingman
> short-term security deserves        |  American Research Group, Inc.
> neither...   Ben Franklin           |  emory!slammer!arg!karl


Here's my 2 cents worth...

He uses a Pete Cornish custom peadalboard. Pete is Englands peadboard 
god. He's made units for just about everyone, Brian May, Pink Floyd(old 
and new), and so on. Last I heard he had all of his rack gear added to 
the pedalboard(hey, I got the spelling right). Check old Guitar Player 
mags, I know there's an article on Pete Cornish cuz that's where I got my 
info.


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From: lginzb@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (Lionel Ginzburg)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Dave's Fuzz Box from Hell
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:41:58 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Organization: Sheer Lunatics For More Distortion


I hate posts like this one as much as anybody, but could some nice,
kind, decent, caring fuzz freak post the schematic for this "Fuzz Box
From Hell" I've seen posted about?  I seem to have missed the original
post.  Or, to save precious bandwidth, you could mail it to me...:)


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EMail to: Lionel@BWH.Harvard.edu
or, just autoreply.
From: basinski@biosci.arizona.edu (Mark Basinski)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Improvisational focus (WAS: Re: Blues Soloing [help!])
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:12:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Arizona

In article <2258@deadmin.ucsd.edu>, napier@cs.ucsd.edu (Jim Napier) wrote:
> . . . . I guess for me the main problem is
> that the freedom of thought necessary to improvise properly is at odds with
> the fact that I'm completely aware that others are observing me. How do others
> deal with such distractions? Is this just a case of plain old stage fright?
> 
  I would say yes. And there is no way that I know of to beat it except
by direct confrontation. You just have to get over it. The only way to do 
that is get up there and jam (and make a fool of yourself if necessary).
Once you've actually been up there a few times, it should start to feel 
a little more familiar.
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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: van halen's variac
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:36:35 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <55xQ025c2abm01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Doug Puchalski) writes:

>Excuse me, but a variac *decreases* input voltage, correct?  By decreasing
>input voltage you lower the amplitude at which clipping and distortion occurs.

No, most variacs allow up to a 20% _increase_ as well as a decrease.  Now 
decreasing the supply voltage is ksher in most cases, and it's what Music 
Man did back in the late 70's with their top-of-the-line amps.  It allowed
you to get the "balls to the wall" sound at 20 or 30 watts.
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From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Giant's Dann Huff
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:50:28 GMT
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ


He's played on just about every Amy Grant and Michael W. Smith album over the
last 7 years.  Be sure to get Giant's first release too, "Last of the Runaways".
--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
From: Zapper@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Zapper)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Harmonicas
Distribution: world
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:26:13 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

  I play guitar in a rock band locally here, and I am a big fan of the
Phantoms. Jerome plays an incredible energetic harp while fronting the
band, and it has gotten me quite interested in taking harmonica
seriously...

  What keys are most songs in? I have a Marine Band in G, and I find I can
play a lot of stuff, Dylan stuff especially... but a lot of stuff is in
different harmonica keys.

  Not being made of money, what harp should I buy next to cover a lot more
territory? I try to watch the Phantoms, he wears a belt with perhaps 6
keyed harps in it, trying to see which ones he pulls out the most... but to
little avail...

  Any ideas?

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From: franko@cco.caltech.edu (Frank Filipanits)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: QUESTION: Dave's Fuzz Box from Hell
Date: 24 Nov 1992 01:19:26 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu

I didn't see the schematic, so I can't help you, but I couldn't help noticing
deadhead@cco.caltech.edu (stephen thompson) writes:

>Where on earth can one find a stomp switch?  It's sort of silly to have to
>plug into the fuzz box whenever you want to use it.

and only a short while later comments...

>I put the whole thing in a small cardboard box which I shielded with foil.

I'd be careful about putting a stomp switch on a cardboard box...
:)

Sure would turn it off... once.

Seriously, DOW radio on Colorado Blvd. has heavy duty metal on/off switches
of the stomp box ilk, and you can also pick up a small <metal> box there.
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From: pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen)
Subject: Re: Identifying a Les Paul
Organization: Ripoff Industries
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:19:45 GMT

Mike Donovan (khisanth@wam.umd.edu) wrote:

: number. Well, I want to try. It is a fairly new Gibson Les Paul and the 
: number is: 92750358 . It says Studio on the headstock truss rod cover. But this
: confuses me. From what I've heard, studio's are supposed to have dot inlays on
: the fretboard, only chrome hardware, etc. But mine has the trapezoidal mother
: of pearl inlay and gold harware. Along with gold pickup covers. It aslo does nothave the traditional white strip around the border of the body of the guitar.

	The Gruhn book states that Les Paul Studio had trapezoid inlays
	from 1990 to 'still in production'. Gold plated parts only in
	LP Studio Custom, discontinued in 1987, so it's still a bit of
	a mystery. 

	Pasi


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From: till@campeau.lucid.com (Don Tillman)
Subject: Re: Vibrato Effect BOX????
Reply-To: till@lucid.com
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:41:04

   From: 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
   Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx.. 
   Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:59:41 GMT

   i've never seen one?? can it be built? I am sure .. but are they
   avaliable????? hehe

Digitally it's easy to implement, although I don't know of any digital
noise boxes that offer it.

Analogally, you can get a vibrato effect by opening up a standard phase
shifter stomp box (MXR Phase 90/100, Small Stone, Maestro, whatever) and
clipping one lead of one resistor.  (It's the one that mixes the dry signal
with the shifted signal.  Usual disclaimer; if you don't know what resistor
I'm talking about you proabably shouldn't be doing the modification.)  If
you do it, I'd recommend installing a switch to select between vibrato and
phase-shifter modes.  The effect is too subtle at slow speeds, but quite
noticable at higher speeds.

Also, certain early vintages of Fender Bandmaster, Showman, Twin and Super
amps implemented a tremelo circuit that ended up being a bit closer to
vibrato than tremelo.

Picky definitions of musical terms:
  Tremelo is a cyclic variation in loudness.
  Vibrato is a cyclic variation in pitch.

(I have no idea why Leo Fender, Floyd Rose and all those other folks keep
getting their terms backwards.  I'm assuming Mr. Jones is using vibrato in
the proper way.  If not, there are some tremelo and stereo panning stomp
boxes available.)

  -- Don

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From: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Subject: Re: Built your own amp?
Originator: npstewar@c00725-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: npstewar@eos.ncsu.edu (NATHAN PHILLIP STEWART)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:08:37 GMT


One more thing, 6L6's have a much different distortion character than EL-34's.
I'm not totally sure I like the sound of overdriven 6L6's.  There tends to be a
harsh edge that I keep noticing in different players and amps.  Listen to Stevie
Ray Vaughn for a 6L6 overdrive.  I love Stevie a lot, and it worked for him, but
I hear tonal elements with a lot of similarity in his sound, my sound (a Carvin
w/ 6L6's, and a local blues guitar player Bob Margolan.  When I saw Bob, he was
playing this Musicman in a club.  Bear in mind, I'm not saying we all sound the 
same, just that I could hear this edge in all three of our tones.

Having said this, I still want a distortion that you can hear a nice clean ring
through, but I just don't think I'll get it w/ 6L6's.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: tim@unislc.uucp (Tim Morrison)
Subject: Gallien-Krueger Amp Questions
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:26:33 GMT

Looking for info on a GK 2100 SEL Digital Stereo Guitar Amp.
I may get a screamin' deal on one but want to get some feedback first.

	1) Does anyone have one?
	2) Good/Bad?
	3) Can you get a manual? Where?
	4) How many watts output?
	4) Just what does "Digital Stereo" really mean?
	5) Value?
	6) Phone number to GK? (I checked the Music Phone list
	   but it only had the address)
	7) Comments?

Please help if you know anything about these at all...

I'd sure appreciate it...
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From: ajm@iconix.oz.au (Andrew Mack)
Subject: Steve Vai
Organization: ICONIX Corporation World Headquarters
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:53:16 GMT

Hi netters,

Does it make any sense if I mention something called the "Steve Vai ten
hour guitar workout" ?? I've heard vague things about it and I think it
appeared in one of the guitar mags .. Guitar World maybe. Anyone have a
reference, or better, have it online?
Thank you,
Over and out.
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From: stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Alex Stevens)
Subject: Re: String Guages [what to use?]
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:33:08 GMT


	One thing no one has seemed to touch on is how string diameter
relates to distortion.  Personally, I play hard rock, and while I like
screaming distortion, I only use 9's.  Anyway, to make it short:

	When you move from 9's to 10's you are increasing the diameter
by 10%.  Therefore you increase tone/distortion by 10% also!
Of course there is always a gain knob....


Alex
stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu

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From: pan2765@seas.gwu.edu (Crazyman Pan)
Subject: Re: Using Acoustic Strings on an electric?
Organization: I have none...
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:11:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.163444.19312@advtech.uswest.com> ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin) writes:

>In article <18NOV199208353258@rosie.uh.edu> math1rb@rosie.uh.edu (92F07486) writes:

[blah blah blah.  Something about using brass/bronze strings on E-Guitars]

>	Sorry, you can't do it. Bronze is an alloy of copper and tin (?) that
>is non-magnetic. Electrics must use steel (or other magnetic metal) strings.

Actually, I think it's copper and nickel.


(being anal...)

					-- Crazyman Pan


(I'd rather be playing guitar...)

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: Richard.Banks@launchpad.unc.edu (Richard Banks)
Subject: Re: Effect Ordering and Effect Loops
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:45:09 GMT

In article <Bxu0w7.8oF@cup.hp.com> balon@cup.hp.com (Tom Balon) writes:
>
>	I would like to query some of you who use effect loops and
>	effects in general. (ie. most of us) Some people like their 
>	effects in a definite order, others could care less. 
>
Personally I like:

compressor -> distortion -> pitch shifter/octave -> compressor -> distortion->
flanger -> chrous

Put this chain through your amp dry, midrange high, treble in the middle,
and bass 3/4 of the way, on pickup selection 4.

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Subject: FOR SALE [from Fance]
Keywords: guitar, ibanez
Organization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:41:01 GMT


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From: stephen@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (Stephen Schimpf)
Subject: Re: Effects questions
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:00:25 PST

In article <1ejcebINNmcp@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> edison@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Thomas Matthew Callen) writes:
>This may seem like a strange question but I need to ask it nonetheless.
>I have had an electric guitar for about three years now and I am not 
>satisfied with my current set-up.  Right now I have a Peavey Patriot
>guitar and a small Gorilla practice amp (with built in distortion).
>I would like to buy some guitar effect pedals but I don't know which
>ones I should get, since I don't know what they do.  I would like to get
>some effects that will allow me to play a considerable wide range of
>music (rock, heavy metal, pop, etc...)  Are there any suggestions?
>Anything to stay away from?  Replies will be greatly appreciated, either
>by e-mail or posting.  Thanks...

You've got to check out the Boss Metal Zone. It's incredible. Buy the 
AC adapter at the same time 'cause 9V batteries don't last long in this
thing.

Stephen
(stephen@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu)

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From: fredh@cv.hp.com (Fred Handloser)
Subject: Re: Help identifying guitar amp.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:05:07 GMT

Scott Donald Macleod (macleosd@newton.ccs.tuns.ca) wrote:
:   I have a guitar amplifier which I picked up second hand a couple of
: years ago, and was wondering if someone could tell me who made it:
:      There is no brand name anywhere that I can see, but small print on
: the back says "C.M.I, Lincolnwood, Illinois". Is that a "no-name"

This probably stands for Chicago Musical Instruments.  The made
Kalamazoo amps and I believe Gibson amps for some period of time.
I think they owned Gibson for awhile but I'm not sure.

I'm trying to fix a "Kalamazoo II" for a friend and found the
schematic to a "Gibson Hawk" in "The Tube Amp Book II" that
is idendical to the schematic glued to the inside of the
Kalamazoo.

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  Corvallis, Oregon
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From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: Giant's Dann Huff
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 02:32:18 GMT

fprince@cwis.unomaha.edu (Frank E. Prince) writes:

>I've been listening to the album "Time to Burn" by Giant and I'm really
>impressed by the guitarist Dann Huff. He has a very eloquent style and a
>fluid sound. I have heard that he was a first call studio player in L.A.
>and that he also did a lot of work in Nashville before playing in Giant.
>If anybody knows what else he has played on, please email me or post.
>				Thanks,
>					Frank
No there's a name I like to see - my favorite guitarist - none of this
edge is god type stuff. Bought Time to Burn just last weekend.

Giant - Last of the Runaways.

He began playng in Christian circles, with a band called WhiteHeart
- get 'Live at Six flags' for some pretty impressive live guitar solos.

He did a lot of session work for other christian artists like
Michael W Smith - 'The Big Picture', 'Eye to Eye', not sure about
'Go west young man' - Played for Amy Grant - not sure which albums - most
of them probably - one track on her latest album 'Heart in Motion'
- Leslie Philips , "Dancing with Danger" - Geoff Moore
'Geoff Moore and The Distance' - Russ Taff - 'Medals' - I think.

I've also seen him crop up in all sorts of places - Tiffany, an old
Joe Cocker Album - the track was 'Living without your love' I've also
heard that he played for Madonna - but haven't verified this personally.

Check out the solo in live at six flags, or the MW Smith and Amy stuff
Have fun,
- I'm pretty impressed.
-

-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.