HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ipacs@solomon.technet.sg (IPACS PTE LTD)
Subject: Re: Mentality of Singaporean (Grossly over generalization)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:30:18 GMT

Victor Keong (v3keong@student.business.uwo.ca) wrote:
: fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan) writes:

:                         [stuff deleted]

: > Are we so weak in our cognitive ability that we can not tell right from
: > wrong, that we have to silent the WRONG ? Attack, argue, dispel, yes, but
: > silent ? All these when Singaporean themselves are arguing for a more open
: > society, open minded governing ? So are Singaporeans not ready to step into
: > the new era afterall ???

: Well spoken my friend. While we all bemoan about the lack of freedom of speech 
: in Singapore, there needs to be checks and balances for people who abuse the 
: privilege when they do have it. I am not arguing that what whoever did to that 
: foul-mouthed guy was right or wrong, but such checks and balances need to be 
: present for life to be controlled and this 'controllability' has to be 
: sustained for S'poreans who are so used to being 'controlled', in some sense. 
: So how do we evolve into the new era? But then what defines this new era? The 
: free for all we see here in N.A.? Is the S'porean society ready for this? 
: Where along the continuum of evolving societies are we? Let's hope this thread 
: develops into some useful discussion.

Don't think I am capable of discussing this issue.  But just wanted to say a
bit about the evolution of society.  At the risk of sounding xenophobic and
anti-American (which I'm emphatically not), is the "free for all" in N.A.
really the next stage in the evolution of a democratic society?  Why ask "is
the Sporean society ready for this?"  Why assume that the N.A. society is
necessarily the next step for us?

Have absolutely zilch in way of Social Studies or whatever it's called. 
Perhaps someone "qualified" can enlighten us with regard to current
thinking on societies etc.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:11868 soc.culture.african.american:14227
From: slzm9@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:56:20 MDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

   Excuse me but what does this thread have to do with
   "Caucasion Wimps: You be the judge"
   If you agree with me that it has little to do with this title
   then why don't you rename it if you intend to keep up this discussion.

   Thanks, you will save us all a little time if you will keep your
subject line and your discussion related somehow.


In article <1993Jan21.210946.6542@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.015110.8181@colorado.edu> pellouch@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Philip Pellouchoud) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan20.151728.7585@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>>  My company is closed both Lincoln's and Washington's birthday.  But
>>>  it was business as usual on MLK day.  Furthermore I believe that
>>>  Thanksgiving is a holiday to celebrate the first soup kitchen for
>>>  whites, and the day after Thanksgiving shopping for "white" Christmas.
>>
>>Points well taken!  Wow!  I thought that the government (post office, etc...)
>>recognized MLK day as an official holiday, but neither of Licoln's or
>>Washingtons bday?  I halfway buy the one about thanksgiving, but I lost
>>you on the one about the holiday after thanksgiving shopping.  I didn't
>>realize this was an official "White-leaders" holiday.
>   
>   Okay, make it a "green" Christmas, as all the news media and merchants
>   care about is how many people hit the malls the day after Thanksgiving.
>   It's actually kind of a stupid holiday anyway, not that I'm complaining.
>   But since when do people get a day off just to recover from eating
>   too much?  What I don't get is that they've shifted all the other
>   holidays around to make it Monday or Friday, but left Thanksgiving
>   on Thursday where it traditionally is.  Also MLK's birthday is
>   Jan 15 (a Friday), so why was the official day on the 18th (Monday)?
>>
>>All of these, while being arguable at best, still don't address
>>the issue of having a holiday for a singular white "hero."  They
> 
>   Isn't George Washington a singular white "hero"?
> 
>>[ parades having ]
>>some (although possibly disproportionate amount) people of "color."
> 
>   So join in the celebration of MLK day if you feel like equalizing
>   the "color" ratio.
>>
>>You do mention some good points, thanks for the input.
>>
>>-phil
> 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 05:16:16 GMT

In article <c6TPXB3w165w@batpad.lgb.ca.us> larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry
Greenfield) writes:...
>  (except that in Japan, there IS a Children's Day, which is why I 
>...

Yes, in Japan, there _is_ a Children's day; it is a day when parents
celebrate the health and well-being of their children.

By contrast, there is another country in Asia, where the parents do _not_
celebrate Children's Day because there is _no_ such day.  In fact,
historically, some of those parents either killed or _ate_ their children.
When they are lucky enough not to be killed or eaten, they are treated
as one would treat an oxen.

Compared to the Japanese-cu and the Americans-cu, those people are truly
dic...

Have a nice day!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Why so much about sex here? only way to express? Re: Asian AM with African AF
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:39:24 GMT

In article <C1G4v6.8Bn@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <1993Jan13.144651.16794@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
	[Antecedents deleted.]
>>May I tentatively float a way out of this *false* dilemma of
>>"Assimilate or Separate!"  Perhaps bi-culturalism or multi-culturalism
>>is the key.  And I mean authentic multi-culturalism (not this namby-pamby
>>PC-ish multiculturalism talked about on colleges campuses, which is
>>nothing more than take some classes in the political history of opression).
>>
>>comments?
>>
>>SteveS
>
>

A while back, I mentioned that I really liked my namby-pamby
Asian-American history class, and SteveS asked me what the class
covered.  I had been too busy to answer.

Anyway, yes, the class had a big dose of the polictical history of
oppression.  Of course, that might just be the spin I put on it.  It
covered a lot of older historical material relating to US immigration
policies toward Asian nations and the social and economic ramifications.
A lot of questions and misconceptions about the Asian-American community
make sense when viewed in broader historical context, rather than just
a "How come all you Orientals are so smart and are doing so well in our
colleges?" kind of view.

I picked the following recently off of su.events (Stanford local group),
discussing why it's important to learn about history, even including
those unpleasant parts of our past that many would rather we forget.
						--Alan

Article 8047 of su.events:
Newsgroups: su.events,ba.general,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american,su.etc
From: brm@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Brian R. Murphy)
Subject: Re: Mental Disorders in the African American Community Caused by American Slavery
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: su
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:15:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.213934.10482@leland.Stanford.EDU> shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.) writes:
>In a recent missive CH.FLO@forsythe.stanford.edu (Jamila Rufaro) tells us:
>
>>The Presentation and Cure of Mental Disorders in the
>>African American Community Caused by American Slavery
>>Speaker
>>Antar Jannah
>>Author *The Philosophy of FATHER*
>
>I do not mean this to be a flame, or in fact negative at all...I am just
>seeking info here:
>
>Is this meant to imply that there is a group behind this which is
>seeking to blame the disorders of people today with events which occured
>100 or more years ago?  Events where all involved are long dead?
	...
>Isn't it time for all of us, as both individuals and communities, to
>take responsibility for our own here-and-nows?

Suppose you had a lawn-mower and went out one day to find that it
doesn't work.  This annoys you, and after thinking about it, you
remember that last week you ran over a stump and overpowered the
mower's engine.  You become overcome by anger at the stump which
caused your mower problems.  You _blame_ the stump for your mower
problems of today.

You remember, though, that the stump is now gone (you got angry then,
too, and burned it out), and you can't take revenge against it, so
your anger, and the blame, is useless.  The stump involved is now
long gone.  No need to remember the cause, right?

You still have to fix the mower, though.  To do that, you need to know
what's wrong with it, and knowing how it got that way tells you that.
Remembering how it was broken can be useful in dealing with the
here-and-now.  Looking for that cause isn't necessarily the same thing
as placing blame on the guilty parties.  In fact, when you're trying
to fix the mower, you don't really care who or what is to blame, but
that doesn't mean that you should carefully avoid thinking about what
happened.
					-Brian

[ Disclaimer: I don't know anything about the talk or the people
involved, nor do I know if events a hundred years ago affects the
psychology of people today (though it sounds plausible), but I'm
irritated by the way some people interfere with the solution of
problems by confusing "looking for the cause of" with "finding who's
to blame" and arguing that we should stop it right now.  Perhaps when
YOU ask "How did it get this way?" you really mean "Who's to blame?",
and now, after realizing that placing blame doesn't really fix
anything, you're advocating that placing blame is unnecessary.
However, when some people (hopefully all scientists and even
psychologists) ask "How did it get this way?", that's what they mean,
and they ask it, not to place blame, but to understand, and perhaps
yield something positive. ]
From: jdooley@venus.engr.ucdavis.edu (John Dooley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps? You be the judge!
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:44:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UC Davis

In article <93024.182530SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu> SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Well, first of all, MLK's birthday isn't *really* a national holiday, since
>the post office works and schools are open (at least Penn State was), 

MLK's birthday IS a national holiday.  You did not receive mail that
day.  Your post office was closed.  University's do not close for 
every national holiday.  UCal closes for MLK birthday.  But, it does
not close for either Columbus Day or Veteran's Day (which are both
national holidays).

>Okay, some have said that it seems strange that no white person has his/her
>own national holiday (as far as that goes, doesn't it seem more strange that
>no *woman* has her own national (and as far as I know, state) holiday?).
>Anyway, who would you nominate for that honor?  I mean, no one did anything
>that compares to MLK's valiant crusade for racial harmony, as far as I can
>think of

Plenty of people have crusaded for racial harmony.  (Thurgood Marshall,
who recently died, is one example.  Harry Truman, who integrated
the military, and Eleanor Roosevelt are other examples.)  No one
was probably as successful in raising conciousness in his or her 
time as Rev. King, but he's not unique in his goals or his methods.  
And, the practical accomplishments he made are very limited.  It 
took Kennedy's death and LBJ's hard work to get the Civil Rights Act 
and Voting Rights Act enacted.  

>....Washington?  Wow, 1st pres of the US, but what did he *DO*?

He led the revolutionary army to victory over the British, and thus 
assured that this country existed.  He was president of the Constitutional
Congress.  As the first president he led us (quite well) through the
difficult stages of being a new country with a new form (Republican)
of government.  All three are massive achievements.  

>Lincoln?  Well, he set the slaves free (at least on paper), but basically
>for political reasons.  And that's only one act...should we give him his own
>national holiday (actually, pres day is one, I think...not sure) just for
>that?  

He preserved the country in a time of Civil War.  He ended slavery,
constitutionally, by appointing the people who enacted the thirteenth
amendment.  He reinterpreted our understanding of the Declaration 
of Independence.  (By the inclusion of the statement, "all men are 
created equal", in the Gettysburg address)  

>So that's my point...reason no white person has his/her own national
>holiday is cos there isn't one that deserves it...at least as much as MLK,
>and at least as much as I can think of.

Oddly enough, I think you'd find that King would disagree with you
about the accomplishments of Lincoln, certainly, and Washington,
most likely.  Which isn't to say that celebrating King's legacy
on his birthday is wrong.  It's the right thing to do.   But, it's
not necessary to disparage other great Americans to rationalize
celebrating his Birthday.

John D.
From: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:30:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>  It's actually kind of a stupid holiday anyway, not that I'm complaining.
>  But since when do people get a day off just to recover from eating
>  too much?  What I don't get is that they've shifted all the other
>  holidays around to make it Monday or Friday, but left Thanksgiving
>  on Thursday where it traditionally is.  Also MLK's birthday is
>  Jan 15 (a Friday), so why was the official day on the 18th (Monday)?

Aren't the ones that have been shifted to Monday or Friday been ones that
have been tied to specific dates?  Thanksgiving has been tied to the 4th
(or is the 3rd?) Thursday in November.

Holidays seem to fall into two classes: those you celebrate with relatives
that do not live with you, and those that you don't.  Thanksgiving is one of
those that a lot of people want to spend visiting relatives, and so having
an extra day after to travel is nice (it would be nicer if the holiday
were on Friday and people got Thursday off to travel).

{Christmas/Hanuukah(sp?)/Kwanza(sp?)/Solstice} and New Years are the best
deal, though.  If you work at a place that gives you Monday off when these
fall on Tuesday, then by taking 6 vacation days, you can 16 consecutive
days off!

--Tim Smith


>>
>>All of these, while being arguable at best, still don't address
>>the issue of having a holiday for a singular white "hero."  They
>
>  Isn't George Washington a singular white "hero"?
>
>>[ parades having ]
>>some (although possibly disproportionate amount) people of "color."
>
>  So join in the celebration of MLK day if you feel like equalizing
>  the "color" ratio.
>>
>>You do mention some good points, thanks for the input.
>>
>>-phil
>
>
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:57:11 GMT

In article 16595@leland.Stanford.EDU, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>|In article <c6TPXB3w165w@batpad.lgb.ca.us> larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry
>|Greenfield) writes:...
>|>  (except that in Japan, there IS a Children's Day, which is why I 
>|>...
>|
>|Yes, in Japan, there _is_ a Children's day; it is a day when parents
>|celebrate the health and well-being of their children.
>|
>|By contrast, there is another country in Asia, where the parents do _not_
>|celebrate Children's Day because there is _no_ such day.  In fact,
>|historically, some of those parents either killed or _ate_ their children.
>|When they are lucky enough not to be killed or eaten, they are treated
>|as one would treat an oxen.
>|
>|Compared to the Japanese-cu and the Americans-cu, those people are truly
>|dic...
>|
>|Have a nice day!
>|
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>|Shitte itara oshiete kuremasen ka.           spare a coin?        |    | -+-
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>|Copyright 1992, 1993    Disclaimer:  1 + 1 = 3                    |
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Gee Dwight, I remember celebrating children's day in Taiwan when I was a kid.
That was the day where all the zoos and amusement parks gave discounts and the
parents got a day off to be with their kids....  So what gives?  I certainly
wasn't eaten at a young age.

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:12056 soc.culture.korean:7456
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Thursday, 28 Jan 1993 08:50:44 EST
From: susan miles <342DZJY@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Magazines for asian-born U.S. teens

We are a multiracial family formed through adoption.  It is important for me
that my children have access to literature, role models, etc. of various
cultures.  I have been unable to locate an acceptable magazine that my asian-
born daughters can relate to.  We tried *Transpacific*, but I was continually
offended by the blaring stereotypes and off-color subjects.  I am looking for
something along the line of*Ebony* (to which we subscribe) that combines
social issues, biographies, fashion, cooking, etc. It needs to be in English.

Any suggestions will be very helpful and appreciated.

Thanks!

Susan Miles
Reference Librarian
Central Michigan University
Mt. Pleasant, MI  48859
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:11885 soc.culture.african.american:14244
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:20:03 -0500
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1993Jan21.015110.8181@colorado.edu> pellouch@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Philip Pellouchoud) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.151728.7585@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>>  In the South, they have Robert E. Lee's birthday.
>
>Boy, I guess me being from Hicksville Colorado, I didn't realize
>that!  Again though, not a "nationally recognized holiday."
>

I don't know what part of the south Clare is referring to, but
I grew up in Athens, Ga., and I don't even know when Robt. E.
Lee's birthday is, nor do I recall ever having a day off in
honor of it.

On the other hand, Virginia (which I consider to be "the north")
has memorials to the confederacy everywhere. Of course, that
could be because there were many historic civil war battles here.

-- Mike
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@ddsw1.mcs.com (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps?  You be the judge!
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:57:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.

Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com wrote:
:I motion that we cancel MLK day and change it to Civil Rights day to 
:honor Mr. X, and all those of all races and sexual orientations and
:differing abilities just like president's day. I'm still waiting for
:Martin Luther King day stereo and car sales just like Washington's Birthday.
:
:Is this a "black holiday", or an Aemrican holiday? I detect even some blacks
:who treat this as a segregated holiday.

Quite a sniffer you got there, Artie.

Apparently you've been away awhile, Hu, and somehow you got off my
kill file.  We'll be fixin that right soon ...

A.


Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:43:40 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Fuck Michael Crichton
	<MDAY.93Jan20230307@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu>

Mr. Mark Day writes:

.

>It means nothing to be in favor of freedom of speech with which you
>agree.  It means a lot to be in favor of freedom of speech for those
>with whom you disagree, those whose opinions you despise.  Your claim
>about respecting freedom of speech is empty if you then say "but I
>don't like *this* guy, so he doesn't get the same rights as everyone
>else."

The statement of a "Plastic" American!


>Michael Crichton may be guilty of pandering to his audience, but he is
>far from stupid.  From what I've read of his books (not including
>Rising Sun, I must admit) and read about him, I would say that he's
>quite intelligent.  In fact, comparing his books to your posts, I
>would say he's roughly two orders of magnitude smarter than you, both
>in his ability to write coherent sentences and in his general ability
>to learn and use new information.  

And, How would you know this? You are more stooooopppiiidddd that the
both of us. I doubt if you are a Grad. in an exception science field.
And, olease don't make me test you low math abitity over these airwaves. 

> 
>Oh, that would be so intelligent, wouldn't it?  And so morally
>uplifting, to counter bad ideas with theft.  

Spoken as a true white American. Look at this ya'. What more proof do you need?
This guy doesn't no me from a can of paint and he changes my statement around
to say that I intent to steal from a public Library. This is very
"White" of you!

Mr. Day this is very insulting to me and I know that this was your
intent. You must be the stoooopidest asshole in MIT. Computer Science.
What a joke! Were you to much of a coward to take ECE as a major. What's
the highest form on math in this major? Discrete mathematics! Get a life
you clown! No. Saddamn was right more in your case. I don't steal you
pussy, I support! The real America is to good for you dick! You stain
and tarnish the dream for others. Are you jealous
of the Asians who have higher position in life than you? You Clown!

>Look, if you want to hurt Crichton, you should be *encouraging* people
>who want to read the book to borrow it from the library.  Crichton
>gets royalties on copies sold, not copies read.  If you steal it from
>the library, people who might have borrowed it may buy it instead; the
>library will just buy another copy and Crichton will laugh all the way
>to the bank.
 
You are funny American! Very funny! How do you say, "An American pasttime!"
flip, fido, flip! Now rollover! That a good boy! Now, say please.  Say please!
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