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From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:37:00 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

In <1992Sep14.170938.16654@mercury.cair.du.edu> jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber) writes:

>Regarding Blanche's Article:
>It may be that the corporate people encourage that the public don't see the
>differences, but nonetheless, they are there. I *KNOW* that we don't see
>any of the profit from COMM.

I didn't imply that -- I said that both comm's profits and your company's
profits both funnel up to the same place, and are both reflected in
the stock price.  I agree you aren't likely to get money from comm just
for the heck of it.

>Great ... now I got two (out of three) of my teachers for the quarter 
>up in arms against me before the quarter even started. Wonder if I can
>get my psych teacher on too...

Who is he/she, I'll have a talk with him/her... :-)

But don't worry, if you put this much effort into your Op.Sys. homework,
you'll do fine... :-)

>Besides.. I never argued that the corporation is not corrupt. I just argued that
>the product is not bad and that not EVERYBODY in US WEST is a complete
>moron.

I don't think USW is necessarily "corrupt" -- my word would be "inept".
But I still believe this product is lousy.  Of course USW has good people;
the problem is those X% who are inept seem to be calling the shots.
-- 

Andrew Burt 		   					  aburt@du.edu

      "And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped"
From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:29:26 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

Just to correct an error by aburt (I think):
The price for the electronic directory is NOT $15/month + .15/minute.
I don't know where the 15 dollars came from (maybe the NEWS got it wrong?),
but it's 'just' .15/minute. No more. The reasons for that are a bit 
complicated, since we wanted to offer this free of charge, but
due to limitations and restrictions (thanks, judge green) we
couldn't.

Nuff said (too much maybe)



-- 
 Jan Vilhuber            | Internet: jvilhube@du.edu or jvilhube@[130.253.1.4]
 (The skydivin' Bass)      | Bitnet  : jvilhube@DUCAIR
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Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
From: cgk@mbunix.mitre.org (Chriss Koch)
Subject: Re: CO Constitution Ammendment #2 Verbage
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:59:58 GMT

In article <1685F7493.WINSLOW@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>, Clifford_Winslow@stortek.com (Clifford Winslow) writes:
> 
> [It is "HATRED", ya' fools!! "Hate" is a verb.]

I don't know where you got your dictionary, but mine says that hate can
be a noun or a verb.  The bumper sticker is grammatically correct.

Anyway you slice it, Amendment 2 is about discrimination.  Amendment 2 would
make it legal to discriminate against homosexuals, lesbians and bisexuals.

Please vote "NO" on Amendment 2.

--
Standard Disclaimer
From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:09:38 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

Regarding Blanche's Article:
It may be that the corporate people encourage that the public don't see the
differences, but nonetheless, they are there. I *KNOW* that we don't see
any of the profit from COMM.

As for your references, so what?
Stamford MIT and CMU make DU look pitiful and again so what?
I still go to DU and I still work for US WEST.


Great ... now I got two (out of three) of my teachers for the quarter 
up in arms against me before the quarter even started. Wonder if I can
get my psych teacher on too...

Besides.. I never argued that the corporation is not corrupt. I just argued that
the product is not bad and that not EVERYBODY in US WEST is a complete
moron.
-- 
 Jan Vilhuber            | Internet: jvilhube@du.edu or jvilhube@[130.253.1.4]
 (The skydivin' Bass)      | Bitnet  : jvilhube@DUCAIR
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Newsgroups: co.general
From: wallsj@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey joel walls)
Subject: Science Fiction Channel 
Summary: Coming To Fort Collins
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:14:53 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

Just thought y'all would like to know that in this morning's Fort 
Collins Coloradoan, a story was printed saying the Science Fiction
Channel is coming to Columbine Cable at no extra charge to subscribers.
It will be Channel 45.  If you turn there now, you get a countdown
until the channel officially begins operation...right now it is
14 days 10 hours etc.

Jeff
Newsgroups: co.general
From: cgk@mbunix.mitre.org (Chriss Koch)
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:21:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.212926.12920@mercury.cair.du.edu>, jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber) writes:
> 
> The price for the electronic directory is NOT $15/month + .15/minute.
> I don't know where the 15 dollars came from (maybe the NEWS got it wrong?),
> but it's 'just' .15/minute. No more. The reasons for that are a bit 
> complicated, since we wanted to offer this free of charge, but
> due to limitations and restrictions (thanks, judge green) we
> couldn't.

Still, .15/minute is a LONG way from free.  And I'm guessing that there is
some minimum assessed for each query -- or rounding up to the next minute.

If "limitations and restrictions" REQUIRE that there be some charge, why not
make it negligible, say .01/minute.

--
Chriss G. Koch
cgk@mitre.org
From: blanche@diana.cair.du.edu (Blanche Cohen)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:01:33 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

That may very well be, but you are still confusing the phone company
and whatever subsidiary it is, that put out the product. They have NOTHING
to do with eac other.


All to true, Jan. However, from our point of the (the average consumer) the
various entities of the USWest hegemony makes no attempt whatsoever, except
on the bills, to distinguish amongst the pieces. You, as an employee of a 
single entity, may take great pride in your diverse group. However, as a former
marketing-type of two of the largest multi-nationals in the world, upper 
management does NOT WANT the public to recognize the differences. They want 
the public to have name recognition. That is why IBM become the largest 
computer seller in the world - every secretary had an IBM typewriter on her 
desk - the name recognition got the computer salesmen in the door and closed
the sale. You fight a losing battle as long as the name of the corporation/
holding company is US West. IMHO they made a serious mistake dropping the name
Mountain Bell. 

Remember WHY the Mountain Bell name was dropped? Because upper management and the
PR types wanted an integrated, single-name recognition factor. If you don't
believe me, then call over to PR office and ask the manager.

Blanche Cohen
Formerly with Exxon and Digital Equipment.
Trust me - these two make US West look petty!
From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:54:15 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

In <1992Sep11.212926.12920@mercury.cair.du.edu> jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber) writes:

>Just to correct an error by aburt (I think):
>The price for the electronic directory is NOT $15/month + .15/minute.
>I don't know where the 15 dollars came from (maybe the NEWS got it wrong?),
>but it's 'just' .15/minute. No more.

Correct to assume no charge for the software?  No setup fee?
-- 

Andrew Burt 		   					  aburt@du.edu

      "And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped"
Newsgroups: co.general
From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
Subject: Re: Phone # for CARL system
Keywords: CARL
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:22:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.170310.25425@bohemia.metronet.org> gpsmith@bohemia.metronet.org (Greg Smith) writes:
>
>Does anyone know the phone number for the CARL (library catalogs, on-line
>encyclopedias, etc..) system for the Denver metro area for 2400 baud and up?
>
>Thanks,
>Greg
>-- 
>*** If Shakespeare had used "vi" we'd have no plays. ***
>


Hey, vi is a *fine* editor.



CARL: 758-1551

Boulder PAC : 444-2057


-- 
David Knapp                                      University of Colorado, Boulder
Perpetual Student                                   knapp@spot.colorado.edu
From: blanche@diana.cair.du.edu (Blanche Cohen)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:57:20 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

In a previous messge Jan writes:

Since when is the internet cheap? Just because the gov. pays the bill
for universities, doesn't mean its cheap. How much do corporations throw in?


In response to this, Jan, would you belive the expense, other than salaries
to people to maintain it (which is small in comparison) is communication
charges! That's right, folks, the Phone Bill is the major cost of the net!

How do you think the various nodes transfer the messages and email? Right -
long distance, for the most part, and a lot of local switching.

Seems to me the local carriers and AT&T Long Lines are making money on this
so why bother with another service?
 
Newsgroups: co.general
From: dcm@csn.org (David C. Menges)
Subject: Colorado SuperNet user meeting
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:09:34 GMT

Colorado SuperNet has traditionally held quarterly Technical Advisory
Committee meetings to review Dedicated link status and directions.  Since
this technology is stable but SuperNet's offerings have expanded into
Dialin and other services, we are changing the nature of the meeting to
have more of an open house or user group function.

We intend to supplement these meetings with demos and maybe even 
presentations and/or tutorials by SuperNet staff or customers.  
Suggestions or offers to speak are welcome.

This quarter's meeting will be at the University of Colorado Springs, 
1420 Austin Bluffs Pkwy, University Center room 125 Sep 11 at 12:30pm 
(sorry for the short notice - will do better next time).  The meeting 
usually lasts about 2 hours.  The agenda for this meeting is:

	Introductions
	Additions or corrections to agenda
	Approval of last meeting's minutes
	Network Report:  Ken Harmon, David Menges
	External Networks:  Ken Klingenstein
	Campus reports
	K-12 Activities - update:  Ken Klingestein, Carol Ward,
		Ken Harmon
	Commercial Use of the Internet - update:  Carol Ward, 
		Ken Harmon
	Next Meeting

	A demo of a commercial Mac SLIP package will be available,
	with Eudora, NewsWatcher, NCSA Telnet, Fetch, and maybe more
	Mac TCP/IP applications running on top of it.

Since we're new at this, it's probably best if you RSVP to dcm@csn.org
so we have plenty of chairs.  Bring four quarters for the parking pass
machine.

Some brief directions:

  If you are coming SOUTH on I-25, take the Nevada exit
  (Exit 148A) to the first light.  This is Austin Bluffs.
  Turn East on Austin Bluffs and go to the first light. The
  campus is on the North side of the road.

  If you are coming NORTH on I-25, take the Garden of the
  Gods exit (Exit 146).  Go East on Garden of the Gods, this
  road does a name change and becomes Austin Bluffs.  You
  will go past Nevada.  The campus is at the first light
  past Nevada on the North side of the road.

  When you look North from the first light, there is a small
  plaza between the Library and Science buildings.  The
  entrance to the University Center is on the North side of
  the plaza.  We will be in room 125 of the University Center.
From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:46:29 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

In <27240@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> rcw@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Robert White) writes:

>In article <1992Sep12.144600.13495@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt) writes:

>}Item 1)  The RMN tried an experiment with an on-line service sort of
>}Prodigy-like, which had all the right buzzwords to it, even to techies:

>This is indeed the worst on-line disaster in recent memory.  I signed up for
>this service but quit using it after a few days.  It was slow, you tired of
>the constant advertising blaring in your face (you can avert your eyes in
>the real paper), and when it dropped transmission characters, the thing
>went blotto.  A couple of times each hour, it would hang forcing a reboot
>of the computer.

Heh heh, by the way, they claimed the hanging was "line noise".  In
fact, it was a rickety hodge-podge of shell scripts, and when one bombed,
you were hung because their pc-graphic-display program was talking to
a Bourne shell prompt :-)    I know this because I nosed around the
system after such a "hung" connection.  One malcontent cracker could have
deleted their entire setup, as they had paid virtually no attention even
to things like file permissions.

I would point out [which was part of my original idea bringing this up]
that the RMN itself was not to blame -- they were sold a bill of goods
by a snake oil salesman.  Same thing I think is happening here (or so
I'll maintain until someone gives me really good proof why videotex is
the "way to go").  Only I think in this case, we the public are smart
enough not to buy the potions; I just hope we can avoid pouring a lot
of money into a drain, when it could be used for true progress.

Oh, y'know what happened to the snake oil salesman?  There is justice
in the universe.  I read an article about the guy (Dwight Prouty,
company was the Shaman Exchange) in Westword a few months back:  He
had some involvement with some nut-case lady who was peddling
some quacky sounding religion (married to a wealthy South-American yeah
right), ended up selling his company to her for [get this] *stock* in
the new company, which soon went, ah, bankrupt.  He now has nothing, so
the story goes.

Of course, I would venture to say he never *had* anything, so he's really
no worse off then before :-)
-- 

Andrew Burt 		   					  aburt@du.edu

      "And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped"
Newsgroups: co.general
From: meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel)
Subject: CD Player & Rollerblades FOR SALE
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:24:34 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

A few items for sale in the Fort Collins area, by my roommate.  (I am
posting for him since he does not have a Colorado account.)  Please send
all reponses to him although I will forward them to him if you can only
respond to me.  Shipping negotiable.


FOR SALE

ROLLERBLADES
Lightning Men's 9-1/2, Grey and Red
Only used about 5 times!
With Dr. Bone knee pads and gloves, which are slightly scraped.
$125 obo

CD CHANGER/PLAYER
Technics SL-PC10 Black 5-CD player
Top-loading, about two years old, runs perfectly
$125 obo

Please send responses to:  write@eff.org (Glen Cox).

Thanx!                                                              Jill



*  Jill Engel (Anne Meridiem)  * "If the world were a logical place, *
* meridiem@lamar.colostate.edu *  men would ride side-saddle."       *
*                              *                    --Rita Mae Brown * 
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From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: co.general,boulder.general,sci.space.shuttle,sci.astro,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Space Shuttle in Colorado Skyies
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:50:23 GMT
Followup-To: sci.space.shuttle
Distribution: co
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.


       Maximum elevation of STS-47 (Endeavor) in Denver's Evening Skies
                             Times are MDT
                Launch Window 1992 Sep 12 08:23-12:20 MDT

        ------------Hold Time Past Beginning of Window--------------
	+1hrs		+2hrs		+3hrs		+4hrs	
1992	------          ------          ------          ------
MM/dd	hh:mm al/azi	hh:mm al/azi	hh:mm al/azi	hh:mm al/azi	sunset
-----	------------	------------	------------	------------	------
09/12 	19:04 51/043	20:04 51/043	21:02 18/032	--		19:13
09/13	19:13 50/228	20:13 50/228	--		--		19:11
09/14	19:22 18/232	20:22 17/252	19:49 21/038	20:41 16/002	19:10
09/15	--		18:58 52/043	19:58 52/043	20:50 18/332 	19:08
09/16	--		19:08 48/228	20:07 40/272	19:28 11/032	19:06
09/17	--		--		20:17 16/215	19:37 21/038	19:05
09/18	--		--		18:52 53/043	19:46 53/043	19:03
09/19	--		--		19:02 48/228	19:56 48/228    19:02

I last saw the Space Shuttle (Atlantis) the evening of 1992 Jan 22-23 at 
18:24 MST in the western sky at magnitude -2 while the sun was but 5 degrees 
below the horizon. So I have included all appearances near and after sunset 
until the earth's shadow blocks sunlight to the Shuttle. Chances of visibility 
will be enhanced if the azimuth is westerly (270+/-90), has high elevation, 
and skies are dark. Our best views will occur if the countdown is delayed by 
at least 2 hours, with 3 hours giving us the most number of favorable 
opportunities. I will update soon after the actual launch time.
-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom)  Tumbra, Zorkovick; Sparkula zoom krackadomando.
From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:09:02 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado

In article <1992Sep11.215551.21484@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester) writes:
>I think what Eric means is this:  
>He is 'SURE' that _IF_ US West had hired a consultant that knew _how_
>people use computers, then they damn sure wouldn't have come up with the
>hare (hair?) brained scheme that we are all talking about here.
>I think his 'flame' (as you called it) was completely in line with the
>debate.  He made a very valid point.  US West, whether it's the phone

That's not what he said, or meant.

>upon the "phone company" pinheads that are behind this deal.

And it's not the phone company, OR pinheads behind this deal.

>I pay this "entity" of little companies every month and not once have they
>ever put a note in my bill to say that they are sorry for some policy or
>somesuch that isn't really their fault since they are just one of several
>units that can't seem to think in a straight line at the same time.

Wrong (in a way). You are right in that you pay the entity money.
That money goes EXCLUSIVELY to US WEST COMM. All other subsidiaries
of US WEST Inc. have nothing at all (I repeat at all) to do with COMM.
We have to pay the phone bill we have, too, like any other company,
although we carry the NAME US WEST.
And we have the same agravation as everyone else with 'the phone company'.

>When I say "US West", I say it in the same manner that most people say
>when they refer to "the Government".  L
>Like a four letter word.
>
That may very well be, but you are still confusing the phone company
and whatever subsidiary it is, that put out the product. They have NOTHING
to do with eac other.

I say to you what I said to Eric: get informed before spewing out
a bunch of garbage on the net. You have no clue. After all, what have you
read about either the product (Electronic Directory) OR US WEST?
What do you know about the internal organization of US WEST? What
do you know of the limitations put on the Baby Bells by lunkheads
in Congress and courts? Go read up, and come back. Now go play.

(I apoligize for the harsh tone: I get pissed off when people
start flaming about things and have not even gone through the motions
to get knowledgeable about the subject)

>Uncle Fester
>

-- 
 Jan Vilhuber            | Internet: jvilhube@du.edu or jvilhube@[130.253.1.4]
 (The skydivin' Bass)      | Bitnet  : jvilhube@DUCAIR
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From: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester)
Newsgroups: nyx.misc,du.general,co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:39:11 GMT
 <1992Sep11.230902.13800@mercury.cair.du.edu>
Distribution: co
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.


Well, if US West (insert favorite entity here) can't get a press release
out with all of the facts straight, then _they_ are the ones at fault.
And go back and read Eric's post again.
What I said is _exactly_ what he meant.  Never mind that it may or may not
be true.  He said it. I read it.  I understood it.
I read the story in the RMN and I also heard two different stories about
it on local television.  They all said pretty much the same thing.
So whoever came up with the scheme, regardless of whether it was Alexander
Graham Bell himself, or CRAY Research, they simply don't understand _how_
_people_ _use_ _computers_ AND what technology to go with.  
Pinheads never-the-less.

Uncle Fester
I don't pretend to be able to read Eric's mind, but I think his statements
were pretty straightforward and clear to someone that speaks everyday
English.
And don't take the term 'pinhead' so personal, unless you somehow had a
hand in this joke.  Some of my best friends work for the phone co.  :-)

--
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From: rcw@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Robert White)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Re: FYI - USWest wasting our money again
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:03:27 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: The WhiteStar Corporation

In article <1992Sep12.144600.13495@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt) writes:

}Item 1)  The RMN tried an experiment with an on-line service sort of
}Prodigy-like, which had all the right buzzwords to it, even to techies:
}Graphics (actually very good graphics, much better than Prodigy's),
}Unix based, blah-blah-blah.  BUT the company who did it (and then got
}the RMN to go with them with an on-line edition) was filled with bozos
}(the fellow who'd written the only decent part had left the company
}on unfriendly terms) who managed to thoroughly mess it up.

This is indeed the worst on-line disaster in recent memory.  I signed up for
this service but quit using it after a few days.  It was slow, you tired of
the constant advertising blaring in your face (you can avert your eyes in
the real paper), and when it dropped transmission characters, the thing
went blotto.  A couple of times each hour, it would hang forcing a reboot
of the computer.

In general, a poor idea poorly executed.  Perhaps when CD-ROMS become a 
commodity, and a portable reader is widely and cheaply available, they'll 
publish both the phone book and the newspaper this way.  My only concern
then will be getting the paper boy to "porch" the CD-ROM, or finding it
in a snowdrift. ;-)

-- 
  [   Robert Carleton White, Jr.                      rcw@scicom.alphacdc.com]