HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: IT'S YOUR FAULT!
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:00:54 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <j0km4jk@dixie.com>, jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
> jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim) writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Jul23.174231.160@lrc.edu> blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
>>>You filthy money-grubbing, rich capitalist pigs driving fast sports cars and
>>>gas-guzzling automobiles, polluting the air with the nauseating stench of ex
>>>haust, creating acid rain, and melting a gaping hole in the ever-diminishing
>>>ozone layer...it's all your fault this world is so f--ked up!!! If everybody
>>>got rid of their automobiles, we'd have a much nicer environment to leave to 
>>>our children!!!! 
> 
>>

Listen Asshole, why don't you get a life!  I'm very concerned for the environ-
ment and do the best I can to help it, but your fu#$%ing comments and attitude
SUCK!!  So why don't you tell us how you commute?  Do you have a bike?  Do you
try and save toilet water?  How long do you take a shower?  Do you recycle?
As for the capitalist pigs comment, don't generalize everybody into one
category.  Basically, I'm going to stop wasting bandwidth, and just say two 
words... F%#@ OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: J.C. Whittney Catalog
Date: 24 Jul 1992 14:07:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA/JSC

In article <12436@inews.intel.com> mfedas@provx30.intel.com (Mark Fedasiuk ~)
writes:
>
>Hello all!
>
>I have not been following this group, but I need some help. I use to get
>J.C. Whittney catalogs all the time, but have not seen them for a while.
>
>Does anyone know a phone number I can call to get one again???
>
>I am looking for a rack to backmount the spare-tire for an S10 BLAZER.
>
>Does anyone have any other suggestions for a soure for this aftermarket
>device?
>
>
>If you respond, pleas post or mail me at:   mfedas@prochp.intel.com
>
>The address in the header is WRONG! DON'T user the reply mode in news or
>it will bounce!!!
>
>
>                                  thanks in advance
>


Heres the number:

JCWhitney 
312-431-6200 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter)
Subject: Re: LOJACK
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:32:47 GMT

loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:

>I don't have one, and supposedly they are very good, however,  I believe that 
>you have to notify the police when your car is stolen so that they can activate
>it.  If you park your car @ 8:00am and go to work and you get out at 5:00pm and
>find your car gone.  Good luck trying to find it.  If the car was stolen around
>9 or 10:00am, by the time you notify the police and they find it, you might not
>have anything left but a chassis and a few wires if your lucky.

Yes, you are right.  A fix to this, however, may be an alarm pager.
That way, you will know the instant the alarm goes off (provided
you are in range).

Mike
-- 
mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
From: t9114145@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: IT'S YOUR FAULT!
Date: 25 Jul 92 20:37:12 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Jul24.150816.2487@news.mentorg.com>, gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com (Greg Cagle) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul23.174231.160@lrc.edu>, blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
> |> You filthy money-grubbing, rich capitalist pigs driving fast sports cars and
> |> gas-guzzling automobiles, polluting the air with the nauseating stench of ex
> |> haust, creating acid rain, and melting a gaping hole in the ever-diminishing
> |> ozone layer...it's all your fault this world is so f--ked up!!! If everybody
> |> got rid of their automobiles, we'd have a much nicer environment to leave to 
> |> our children!!!! 
> 
> Summer school, right?
> 

:-). I'm sure he'll go away once he discovers cow pictures.

> - Greg
> -- 
> Greg Cagle               "It was a rit of fealous jaje!"
> Mentor Graphics          
> greg_cagle@mentorg.com
-- 


Adam Eberbach      t9114145@phillip.edu.au          fnord
Computer Science student, Phillip Institute of Technology.
From: mizutanit@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Luxury Performance Sedans
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:47:08 GMT
Distribution: rec.autos
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Jul24.100513.1@wharton.upenn.edu>, mizutanit@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
> In article <SUDEEP.92Jul23154930@pundit.arc.UUCP>, sudeep@arc.UUCP (Sudeep Sharma) writes:
>> 
>>  Have you driven not the BMW 535i sedan but the M5?
>>  It will blow the sh*t out of most sport cars!
>> 
>>  Sean.
> 
 I agree 100%.
 
 I drove a '91 M5 through the back roads (twisty curves and hills) around here,
 and it was the most exhilarating drive I've had in a while (75-80 mph in a 25
 mph zone).
 
 Too bad they cost ~$45K even with a discount!
 
 *'92 Maxima, 190HP, 0-60 6.7 sec.*
 Cheap M5?
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From: jdavidso@teknowledge.com (Jim Davidson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: car lease vs car loan vs outright purchase
Date: 1 Aug 92 01:51:30 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Cimflex Teknowledge Corporation, Knowledge Systems Division
In-reply-to: joec@fid.morgan.com's message of 31 Jul 92 16:48:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.164858.6574@fid.morgan.com> joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins) writes:

	<An informative analysis of the relative costs of buying vs.
	 leasing a car.>

 > LEASE AND BUYBACK:
 >  The Present value of the $291 per month for 48 months at 9.12% works
 >    out to be $11,667.
 >  The Present value of the $5650 (5400+250) 48 months from now at 9.12% works 
 >    out to be $3,985.
 >  The present value on $672 sales tax (7% of 15000-5400) 48 months from now 
 >    at 9.12% works out to be $474.
 >  Lease and buyback in 4 years: 11667+ p.v. of cash flow to dealer
 >                                 3985+ p.v. of buyback to dealer
 >                                  291+ upfront payment to dealer
 >                                  100+ upfront payment to dealer
 >                                 1000+ (trade in value)
 >                                  474+ p.v. of 7% sales tax
 >                             ---------
 >                              $17,517  Total cost of lease, in todays dollars
 > 
 > BUY NOW FOR CASH AND HOLD FOR AT LEAST 4 YEARS.
 >                               $15000+retail cost of car
 >                                $1000-value of tradein
 >                                 $980+net sales tax (.07+14000)
 >                             ----------
 >                              $14,980 Total cost of purchase, in todays dollars
 > 
 > Thus, buying now and paying cold cash seems better than leasing by $2537
 > although if I lease, I have the cash to invest over the 4 years. 
			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Careful: Isn't this what you've already accounted for, in working out the NPV
of the monthly payments?  I.e., the total amount paid in monthly payments
comes to $291*48 = $13968.  The PV comes to $11667 because the payments are
spread out over four years -- i.e., that you have the cash to invest in the
meantime.  So, you've already counted this factor.

That just strengthens your conclusion that buying works out better than
leasing.

Overall, a good analysis though.

-Jim
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 92 13:39:37 CST
From:         JMARTIN@WUVMD
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:         300Z vs. M3
Newsgroups:   rec.autos

Simply question.

Which car is better for the money and which has the better maintance
record?

I have been looking at 1990 and 1991 300Z and  1987 - 1988 BMW M3.

Also, what is a ball park range to pay for these?

Around here, the 300's can be purchased between 17k - 22k....
             the M3 can be picked at the 16k - 19k range.

I cannot decide, but should both have about the same performance?
  Just delievered differently........

Joe Martin
Washington University - St. Louis
jmartin@wuvmd.wustl.edu
From: crash@hal.com (Chris Craddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: M5 vs. Sports Cars
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:21:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HaL Computer Systems
NNTP-Posting-Host: sydney.hal.com

In article <5111@transfer.stratus.com>, cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson) writes:
|> In article <SUDEEP.92Jul23154930@pundit.arc.UUCP> sudeep@arc.UUCP (Sudeep  
|> Sharma) writes:
|> > 
|> >  Have you driven not the BMW 535i sedan but the M5?
|> >  It will blow the sh*t out of most sport cars!
|> > 
|> >  Sean.
|> 
|> Most ?
|> 
|> You could almost buy two RX-7's for the price of an M5, and each one will
|> peel the paint right off the M5. Faster acceleration, better brakes, better
|> handling. Same for a new Corvette LT-1, same for a 300zx twin turbo, same
|> for a Stealth/3000GT. 
|> 
|> The M5's of the mid-late 80's were among the faster cars of their day, but
|> comparing a new M5 to any of the recent generation of super-sports cars is
|> a little far-fetched. The new 5-series body is just too heavy.
|> 
|> Craig Dodson (Stratus Computer)
|> cdodson@beast.cac.stratus..com 

If you don't mind letting a good story get in the way of facts, then you might 
be right. Yes, the current M5 is a heavy car - although its lighter than the
Stealth/3000GT TTs. On the other hand, it is clean through the air, it has 315
genuine German HP and peels off 0-60 in under 6 seconds. Not too shabby for a
fat old man's car :O)

The RX7 is barely any faster in the real world (ditto for 300ZX, Corvette, etc)
and the M5 is supremely quiet and comfortable. Don't believe me, go drive one
(if you can persuade a dealer to let you). The M5 is *the* best touring car in
the world, IMHO, but if it isn't the only alternative is also a gotterdamerung
German - the MB 500E.

Chris.
-- 
"That's the problem with nature, something's always stinging you
 or oozing mucous all over you. Let's go and watch TV"  - Calvin

crash@hal.com   		HaL Computer Systems Inc.
(408) 379-7000 x1163		1315 Dell Ave. Campbell CA 95008
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,alt.autos.antique
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: intermittent oil leak
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:38:50 GMT

Here is a probelm I personally find unusual.  Again, this is with my 74
cadillac which is presently making up for years of trouble free use.
The car has developed an oil and tranny leak but these leaks appears to be
intermittent.  The car was going fine with no leak at all.  Then, one
day about 2 weeks ago my wife parked in a friends driveway and about 10
minutes later I noticed A LOT of oil running out under the car.  I lost
1.5 qt oil and 1 qt tranny fluid all at once in that instance.  I place the car up on ramps and found tranny pan wet all around but not anywhere above
it.  Leak appeared to be from tranny pan gasget.  I also found that the
oil pan but not the engine above was wet with oil and the oil appeared to
be coming from around the pan edge at both the front and back (where it
meets the tranny).  I refilled both fluids and continued to watch it with
intent of repairing soon.  For 2 weeks now the car has held it's fluids
not lost a drop.  How is this possible?  Aslo, for when the time comes
to do such work as replace these gasgets, how can I jack the car?  It
weighs 5000 pounds curb weight.  It has over the years bent and colapsed
3 sets of ramps and pushed more than it's fair share of jacks down
through the pavement.  Anyone have experience with jacking cars this
heavy and working under them?  Obviously, due to it's tendency to
collaps ramps and sink jacks I am reluctant to stay under it for long.
These ramps and jacks WERE all rated to be strong enough for this car.

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Mitsubishis in USA
From: Brian.Hoy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Brian Hoy)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:55:17 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


Just wondering if Mitsubishis are available in the USA (or are
they called something else over there?).

If so, what do people think of the V3000 (as it called here in New
Zealand).  It also may be called something else, but it has a 3.0
litre V6 12v EFI engine.

They seem to handle very well in addition to being quick.  The NZ 
Traffic Safety Service has adopted them as standard enforcement 
vehicles, saying that the superb handling at speed makes them ideal
for the NZ roads (which are not up to the same standard as those in 
the US for the most part).

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
			Brian
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: (Eric Youngblood)
Subject: Re: TO ERIC MIDDLE-AGED BLOOD...
Reply-To: Peon w/o Email priv (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:40:43 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.153150.179@lrc.edu>, blosser_cy@lrc.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Jul28.150450.3318@bnr.ca>, (Eric Youngblood) writes:
|> 
|> > Yeah! Go away, We dont want to play with you!
|> > 
|> > Ericy
|> > 
|> > P.S. Your mother dresses you funny.
|> 
|> Hey, you snot-nosed wimp, I would have been your father, except the wino in 
|> front of me had first dibs and besides...I didn't have change for a dollar.
|> 
|> Watch who you're talkin' to, you slime-sucking shitfaced pond scum. So what
|> if my dress code doesn't meet your standards...*you* got a funny name! 
|> 
|> Go play in traffic,
|> 
|> Kristoph

Oh now you've gone and done it, now I *really* dont want to play with you.

You bruiser, you...


Ericy
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ac579@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (G.C.J. Timm)
Subject: Re: Re: Sentra E vs. Saturn SL (SE-R & SC)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 12:28:58 GMT


Speaking from some experience with muscle cars in the 60's,
the Shelby Mustangs were the best of a bad lot.

BUT, they were NEVER well balanced, sophisticated, or refined.

Any econobox of today has better brakes, suspension, and
especially TIRES, than any muscle car of the '60's.  As for
engine power, I would like to see a genuine Shelby Mustang,
vs. a Sentra SE-R at Nelson's Ledges......

Jeff
Who is admitting his age again....
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com (Ken Buck)
Subject: Re: MAZDA DEALER RIP OFF
Reply-To: K.Buck@ma30.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:19:38 GMT
Originator: buck@granite.ma30.bull.com

In article <2620049@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> lea00@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM
   (Larry Akers) writes:
>    My --MADZA-- dealer experience left me with the opinion that
>the MADZA corp does not care how it's dealers sell cars.

that may be true, but it's my judgement that MOST manufacturers don't
keep very close control over how their dealers sell their cars.


> The dealer I bought my new 626 from was the only dealer that could 
>do warranty work on my car.

this simply isn't true.
the *dealership* may have told you this, but did _Mazda_
tell you this too?
From: Brian.E.Hannon@dartmouth.edu (Brian E. Hannon)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Electric Cars
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:07:49 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <jimf.712247124@centerline.com>
jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:

> The one car in the exhibit that really caught my eye was a 1908
> electric car.  I've already forgotten the name of the car, but not its
> statistics -- a 40mi range at 20mph.
> 
> One of the things that came to mind while I was looking at the exhibit
> is that electric cars really haven't improved all that much in
> seventy-five years compared to their oil-powered counterparts.  This
> doesn't bode well for ZEV's IMHO.

First off, that is NOT TRUE.  Solar Car Corp of Melbourne, Fla makes an
electric pickup truck that will do more than 80 miles at speeds
exceeding 45mph and reaches 70 MPH for short periods of time. 
Solectria Corp of Arlington, MA converts Geo Metros that will go 60
miles at speeds up to 60 MPH.

Electric car research has not even existed over the time between 1910
and 1990 because electrics were considered useless compared to the much
more powerful combustion engines.  These more powerful engines are
beasts which consume WAY to much energy and it is just now with
concerns about automobile emissions that electrics are beginning to be
researched again.  The test model of the GM Impact will outperform a
Porsche on the road, so this kind of performance is possible and I
think if more people give the electric car industry some recognition
we'll see high performers before the end of the milennium.

Bri
From: johns@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (John Schubert)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: New MBs
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:29:39 GMT
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.

In Reply to: aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (A. Alisson) /  2:49 am  Jul 24, 1992 /
# expensive car.  I couldn't wait to see it in person even though
# I couldn't afford it for now :(  (Benzes usually look better
# in person than in pictures)
I think the new S class is an exception. I own a W126 S class and IMHO it's
the nicest S Mercedes made. I pulled up next to a new one recently. The
pictures don't give a true reference to size. The new S class is a BARGE!!
If I could ever afford a new Benz, I'd never consider the new S class. IMHO
it's ugly. I would however take a new 500E... :-)

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: 300zx better than the L88? NOT!
Originator: kevinh@spider
Reply-To: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:30:06 GMT


In article <Bs7w2D.LyA@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v368ucgd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TOM STEEGMANN) writes:

|> Many old cars could corner
|> quite nicely. If you put modern tires on any old car, it helps alot.

 
|> Tom

Just a small point, i've noticed quite frequently in reviews of
older cars (e.g. 60's) that their owners say that modern tyres
ruin the handling of these cars. The handling characteristics of older
cars were designed around the characteristics of the performance tyres
on sale at that time. I'm talking about thoroughbred cars here - not
bread and butter stuff. 

Low profile tyres do not necessarily improve handling even though they 
may increase the point at which traction is lost and also the speed at 
which it breaks away!

kevinh@hasler.ascom
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.driving,rec.motorcycles
From: spgo@is.morgan.com (Stefan Goellner)
Subject: Re: ++WHAT ARE BEST OILS FOR CAR/BIKE??++
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:57:08 GMT

[Stuff about 25kmile oil change interval for synthetics deleted].

What I've heard, and what wasn't specified in the original article, is that
maybe the filter should be changed more often, since the oil does indeed not
break down, but it does get dirty.

Stef
DoD#0190			spgo@is.morgan.com
212-703-2682			914-993-0814
'82 KZ550 (Commuter)		'84 750 Interceptor (Canyon Carver)
From: Mike.Dean@f2050.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org (Mike Dean)
Sender: UUCP@p0.f1060.n391.z1.FidoNet.Org
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1985 Jeep Cherokke
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:39:00 EST

Hello all!
 
I have a 1985 Jeep Cherokee that I just bought a few weeks ago from a 2nd
party.   The jeep has 62000+ miles on it. 
 
My dad and I bought it as a project for us to work on in our spare time. It
has a few door bangs, some rust spots on the body.  The frame, engine,
suspension, automatic transmission are all in perfect shape.  Interior is
in good shape also.   4-wheel drive works well.
 
 After we have completed the body work and get it in tip top shape we plan
to paint it pure (bright) white. 
 
I will eventually drive it everyday.
 
My question is does anybody have one and have they have any problems with
anything on it?
 
---
 * Origin: FireHouse BBS    Burning the others DOWN! 273-9580 (1:391/2050)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cwong@odie.coyote.trw.com (Chun Wong)
Subject: adjust parking brakes--help!
Keywords: parking,brakes,escort,ford
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:16:56 GMT

I'm interested in knowing how to adjust/replac the parking brakes of a
'88 Ford Escort.  Presently, the parking brakes have no effect when set;
They are not broken but needs maintenance.  If someone knows how to remedy
this situation (other than to take it to a mechanic), I would appreciate your
help.

Thanks,
-C. Wong
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hdasilva@cs.ulowell.edu (Herbert DaSilva)
Subject: Re: advice needed: 1992 Dodge Caravan
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:15:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.155130.15627@engage.pko.dec.com> wiryaman@riscee.pko.dec.com (Santa Wiryaman) writes:
>In article <92204.30103.6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>>Are the child seats worth getting ? 

>As a $400 option?  No way.  You can get two top of the line car seats at
>Toys R Us for much lower than that.  These will definitely be more comfortable
>for the kids than the integrated car seats.

  As with any option, you don't have to pay full price for anything.  Just
  because it is listed as a $400 option doesn't mean you couldn't get them
  basically for free through haggling.

>Anyway, I just bought a Mazda van after comparing it with a Caravan or Previa.
>IMO, Mazda has better handling and firmer suspension than Caravan.

  As a tip to any potential Caravan buyers who would like a crisper suspension
  than the standard suspension, order the "towing package" even if you don't
  plan on towing.  This little option firms up the suspension a tad and 
  significantly reduces body roll.  For those that already have a Caravan or
  Voyager, and want to reduce body roll, Mopar Performance sells a pair of 
  bolt-on sway-bars for about $250.00.

>Santa Wiryaman

	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva

Xref: sparky rec.autos:18197 rec.autos.driving:4525
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: More CHP shit!
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:03:34 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul21.180726.3361@igor.tamri.com> salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.060345.3258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Marshal.perlman@bbs.oit.unc.edu writes:
>>Remember a week or so ago..I was talking about the "Police' Syclone I saw
>>[prob. CHP]....well today..I saw even worse things.
>>
>>PURE WHITE ON WHITE Interceptors!!!! <for those who don't know..interceptors
>>are the mustang lx's {5.0s} that the CHP uses.>
>
>Well as it turns out, last weekend, I saw a new 93 Ford Probe CHP car.  No light
>bar on top, only a couple of lights in the rear deck and by the front rear view
>mirror.
>
>I didn't expect to find such a recent car as a CHP car.

  I didn't expect the CHP to be out in '93 Probes either since the state
is bankrupt and has been issuing IOUs to state employees for three
weeks now (geez :-( ).

  It's nice to see where California has its priorities...

  Doug
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