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From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kid Seats on Bikes
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:54:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: crl.4790
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Sep26.163230.26603@samba.oit.unc.edu>, heidia@med.unc.edu (Heidi Aycock) writes:

|> 1) Thanks for the advice.
|> 
|> 2) Worry not; I always wear my helmet and so will my son.
|> 
|> 3) Now I don't know what to do. Trailers seem to big
|> for riding in Chapel Hill, a fairly hilly area with no 
|> lightly traveled roads unless I head into the country
|> where there are no bike lanes and seeminly no speed
|> limits. I have been run off the road out there. Imagine
|> that with a trailer. Do trailers fit in bike lanes?

True.  Imagine if you were run off the road with the child in a seat.  A
neighbor had this happen to her, and she won't ride with her children in
a bike seat anymore.  She feels very lucky that her daughter only suffered
a couple of bruises.

I wouldn't ride on busy backroads with children in a trailer or on the bike,
period.  Riding in traffic, to me, is a better alternative.  The trailer
is quite visible, and you can take up a fair share of the road in order to
avoid people cutting you off.  The cars will know you are there, and that
you intend to utilize your fair share of the road.  The addition of a
strobe light to the trailer, during both day and night, would be a good
defensive measure, as well.
 
|> 4) Don't trailers put kids closer to dogs? I'm afraid of
|> dogs, so this is a big concern for me. If an angry dog starts
|> after us, won't he get to my son first? 

The Burley and Winchester trailers are completely enclosed.  You wouldn't
have to worry about dogs if your kids were in the trailer.

Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:00:40 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep29.074617.13259@nuscc.nus.sg> isc40041@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOO KOK HOE) writes:
>Elf Sternberg (elf@halcyon.com) wrote:

>: >3.  WHo is this "Khattab" ? An african, Indonesian or Malaysian ?
>: 
>:    Egyptian.
>:
>
>So I see ... he is one of those African too ... did he say any
>such operation in his OWN country ?

Clitoridectomy and infibulation are practiced in Egypt. The Guidebook
explains that, as do other resources.

BTW George, is infibulation practiced in Singapore?


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Xref: sparky misc.kids:24657 alt.sex:31274
From: pjself (Pamela Jayne Self)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:14:48 GMT
Reply-To: pjself (Pamela Jayne Self)
Organization: BSU English Internships Office

In article <1992Sep28.042506.1732@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> jiangh@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Howard C Jiang) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.025320.23746@midway.uchicago.edu> mec6@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep27.230414.16769@news.eng.convex.com> 
>>ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez) writes:
>>>In article <2739@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> bunny@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Marsh) writes:

>>>Don't you know circumcision isn't mutilation?  What's good for the gander
>>>is good for the goose.


I think that the person who wrote this comment is missing a very
important point.  Removing the clitorial hood is very similar to
regular male circumcision.  I think most people would agree to
that.  However, circumsizing a female involves more than JUST THAT.
The ENTIRE clitoris is sometimes REMOVED...which in the pain factor
would be like a guy have the top inch of his penis CUT OFF.  But
what is the worst...the abosolute worst part of this (And some of
my fact/opinion comes from the Alice Walker interview I watched.  Her
new novel deals with this.) is the cutting and sewing of the vagina.
Gentlemen, no offense, but you can't possibly understand the horror
of sexual intercourse if you are aware that you will have to be cut
wide enough so your husband can enter you!  Also, as I understand this,
girls are NOT made aware that this will be done to them...they are
taken to a hut one day (in more primitive areas) by their female family
and tied down for the procedure.  


E-mail is accepted.  Also, if there is someone who can recommend
some specific titles concerning this subject, please e-mail them
to me.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Feeding my son on a trip
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 12:52:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.024630.24275@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>
>Both my sons really liked the Gerber Meat Sticks at that age -- those
>mini hot dogs (I've tried them and they taste awful to me, but my kids
>love them).  So I took to keeping a jar in the diaper bag for meals
>when nothing else is suitable.

  I've always wondered about those Meat Sticks, mini hot dogs.  My
  husband will not allow them in our house since he works in the
  Emergency Room and says that toddlers most often choke on round
  cylindrical pieces of food that are just the right size to fit
  in a toddler's throat and those Meat Sticks sure seem to fit the
  description.  Are they really soft and easy for the baby to
  chew up?  He also won't allow grapes and peanuts or any sort
  of nut or gummy bears--I have to sneak gummy bears at work :-)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Biting utensils
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:35:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.3706
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1780@pacvax.UUCP> lynne@pacersoft.com (Lynne Chantler) writes:
>
>Finally, I have to ask just one question...
>
>Exactly what is so bad about being a mother and homemaker?  My mom was
>that all her life, she is extremely intelligent and very well read.  

Being an at-home mother and homemaker is bad when a woman is forced
into that role by pressures and expectations from society.  It seemed
to me that the original poster (Publius?) was concerned that his (or
her) daughter was conforming to these expectations rather than 
realizing that she had an unlimited choice as to what to be when she
grows up.

I agree with everyone who has been saying that 4 is a little young to
start worrying about career choices.  My own 3.5-year-old wants to be
a Hyster driver when he grows up (actually, he would prefer to become
one as soon as possible, and not have to wait that long).  However, I
also understand the original poster's concern that his daughter not be
too influenced by our society's all-too-pervasive expectations for 
women (as exemplified by the "Math is hard" Barbie doll that's been
discussed here recently).  

I am a pretty good example of someone who grew up in the 50's and 60's--
I expected to go to college, and even envisioned myself in some sort
of career, but deep down I never _really_ expected to have to support
myself, at least for very long.  Although I did grow up to become a wife 
and mother, as I had been predisposed to do, I am still in shock that I 
have to work for a living!  And now that I realize that I _do_ have to
work, I wish I had been more career-oriented earlier.  

I don't want my daughter to fall into the same sort of mental trap that 
I did.  I want her to feel that anything is possible for her.  I don't 
want her to align herself automatically with traditional female roles, and 
if she does, I would like to know that it's because she chose them herself.

I think we're fooling ourselves when we say that women now have as
many possibilities as men these days.  They just don't.  Everything is
harder for women--look at the number of female Fortune 500 CEO's or the
two women US senators.  And that's only the very top tip of the iceberg.
That's why it's discouraging to hear about little girls whose sole ambition 
is to be mothers and wives.  Women will never have choices if little girls 
are perpetually encouraged to think that math and science are hard, and
that their place is at home with their children.

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Playground rubber mat?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:51:55 GMT

In article <sasdvp.718292808@skydiver> sasdvp@unx.sas.com (David V. Phillips) writes:
>
>You can ask any skydiver what it's like to land in pea gravel.  While
>the new ram-air parachutes let us land extremely softly when we want
>to, when attempting high accuracy landings we generally sacrifice the
>soft landings in mad attempts to land dead center (ie. < 1 cm) from
>our target.  The target is usually in a large bed of pea gravel.  The
>pea gravel makes the landing quite tolerable.  

On my last jump, I landed very close to target but I slipped and the wind
caught the chute and dragged me about ten feet.  We're told to get up,
run around the chute to keep the wind out of it, and then gather it up.

Right.  I'm still getting pea gravel out of my teeth.
>
>If you want to surround a playset with pea gravel, I'd just recommend
>that you use some type of border to help hold it in and out of any
>lawn.

And *I* recommend remembering that where you have little stones and
little hands you have little fistfulls of little stones being thrown
at other bearers of little hands and border or not they're going to
get EVERYWHERE.

Pea gravel *does* make for some interesting swing dismounts though.
Those kids do stuff I'd have NEVER attempted when I was that age.  They
get going as high as they can until you expect that they're going to
go clear around the upper bar and then they let go and sail out into
the gravel, marking how far they got and trying to beat it next time.

Whooo.


-Nance
-- 
Nance Colucci  *^*^*^*^*^*    o__    *^*^*^*^*  |  Work that body!
att!ihlpk!colucci            _.>/               | Stay fit for life.
                            (_) \(_)                           
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bdsuba@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (PANDAMAN)
Subject: Re: Nostalgia TV (was Nostalgia toys)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Turner Ranch. Blood Butte, Texas
Date:  6 Oct 1992 15:39 EST  

In article <1992Oct6.061700.18696@csc.canberra.edu.au>, Stacey Curtis <sec@softserver.canberra.edu.au> writes...
>In article <9689@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> Vicki Powers,
>vicki@mathcs.emory.edu writes:
>>Okay, 'fess up, any other women reading this who wanted to be Marcia
>Brady?  
>>I know I did!
> 
>No, I wanted to be Sabrina in Bewitched, Jeannie in I Dream of Jeanie,
>the eldest daughter (I forget her name, was it Judy?, she was in love
>with Dan?) in Lost in Space, or Ginger in Gilligans Island.  I was really
>nuts over  "The  Banana Splits" show, Anyone remember that?  Ah, memories.
> 
>Stacey.

That's funny, I was in love with all those women at one time or another!
Every single one of them that you both mentioned.  My first crush, however, 
was on the woman in Daktari. Not that you care.


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Daycare -- when to investigate?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:44:56 GMT
Summary: start now!

In article <2338@gandalf.intel.com>, ariel@mom.uucp (Ariel Shattan) writes:
> 
> My first child is due in January, and I intend to take full advantage
> of my company's liberal leave policies, but the time will 
> come when I'll need to install the little darling in a daycare
> situation and return to work.  
> 
> What I'm wondering is, when do I start investigating childcare
> options?  Do I start now?  Do I start N months before I'll need the
> service? Does whether I'm able to return to work part time for a while
> (I don't know yet if I can) have any bearing on when I start looking
> for childcare?
> 
> Please advise.
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> --Ariel Shattan
>   ariel@mom.intel.com
> 
> Disclaimer: This posting contains my view only and does not represent 
> 	    the views of Intel in any way, shape, or form.
> 

Start now!  I too am due in Jan. '93 with my first baby.  My company too
has liberal maternity leave (up to a yr in fact).  I tentatively plan
on 6 months, then back to work, while my mother will be our paid
day care provider for a while, she's not in the best health and an
active pre-toddler may be too much for her, so I anticpate needing
regular daycare sometime around the baby's first birthday, maybe even
longer than that and I was told to investigate now, and even get on
waiting lists!  The place we like the most has a yr long waiting list!
My company has a child care referral service, which I called about 5
weeks ago.  Wow, was I glad I did, I thought I was calling too early,
the person helping me said not at all.  (this service was very informative
and valuable by the way).  It was suggested to us to check out places
now and maybe even put in a reservation.  If you have a "child care
referral" service available, use it, should help you a lot.  
It's very tough, for us at least.  My mom wants to watch the baby
all the time, is not keen on day care, but I know it may be too much
for her, will our baby be an angel to watch and easy, or a exhausting
terror, when will I need daycare, how will I know when to make a
reservation? Etc etc etc....not easy.  The point being, look into it
*now*....it's never too early.  I know a couple that just had a baby.
The mom only plans to take 6 weeks off, that's all she could supposedly,
and is just *now* asking about and thinking about childcare...and they
need it in 6 weeks!  Ouch!  But I tend to be a long-term planner
and organizer type of person, and would never wait to the last minute
to make such decisions.  

Christine
mom-2-be 1/19/93
From: sasccq@rossett.unx.sas.com (Caroline Quinn)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute things they say - 6 yrs. old
Keywords: Miniature Indians!
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:47:30 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasccq@rossett.unx.sas.com



The last Friday of each month, the company I work for has an end-of-the-month
party for the employees.  It starts at 5pm, is casual, and folks can bring
family or SOs.  They provide hors-d'oeurves, usually along some theme.

I took my daughter this month who is 6.  My husband had to work late and
couldn't make it.  The food theme was Mediterranean, and it was good as
usual.  After my daughter and I got home, my husband arrived, and asked,
'How was the party?  Was the food good?  What kind did they have this month?'
Before I could answer, my daughter told him, 'We had food made by miniature
Indians'.  Of course, I was in that state of paralysis where I wanted to
laugh, but wanted not to laugh so I didn't hurt her feelings, and wanted to
tell him what she meant, and why I couldn't speak.  Then she asked me,
'where do miniature Indians live, mom?'.  We finally got it straightened
out, that it was Mediterranean, not miniature Indians, but I will never
be able to look at Italian or Greek food again with a straight face.

-- 
                 .......................Caroline
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:21:16 GMT

In article <BvpptH.6F9@access.digex.com> minx@access.digex.com (minx) writes:
>I can certainly understand both sides of this issue.  But I have to
>side with those who feel that parents should take total responsibility.

[semi-rural discription of wandering kids, omitted]

>Why should I be responsible for other people's inability to care enough to
>control their own kids?

Before you decide to pull down the temple why don't you ask your friendly
local bar assn for a referral, retain an attorney and file a trespass tort
seeking damages and costs? Don't you think that in the worst case and one
of those little darlings is dead-at-your-feet that one or several sucessful
trespass actions is going to be a better defense against liability than
what you've got? If your facts are provable you shouldn't even have to pay
for the pleasure of cocking a snook in the faces of your fence-blind
neighbors, and since both parties are presumably tied to the land for some
time to come, aren't you better off being known as a litigous sob rather
than a patsy who's bird feeder makes a neat target?

The same course was available to my co-Mtn View resident with the run-around
kids with the cinder blocks, only with several forms of tort, and child
endangerment and child out of control and landlord embelishments. Of course,
moving away from silly people is usually the better choice, and much easier
for a renter.


-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: IV or not to IV (was Re: Last week was certainly eventful!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:28:49 GMT
Summary: IVs


When I had minor out-patient surgery, I had an IV in even during my
recovery period after surgery.  Even in a drug induced stupor while
the anesthesia was wearing off, I kept hounding the nurses (supposedly,
I don't remember!) about taking the stupid IV out of my hand.  And I do
remember asking them to remove it even after I was fully awake and
back to reality.  The nurses kept assuring me that it was there just in
case they needed to administer any type of medication if something should
go wrong, that IV was the quickest/best way.  This may also be a valid
reason for IV during labor/delivery, a "just in case" thing.  Our first is
due 1/19/93, and I don't want an IV either, but I can sort of understand
why they may want to install one.

Christine
mom-2-b in Jan. '93

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: baby@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (maureen.paone)
Subject: Where to get the Tough Traveler?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:18:40 GMT
Keywords: baby back pack 

I live in New Jersey and I've been looking for the
Gerry Tough Traveler back pack, and cant seem to find it. I have 
found the Gerry Deluxe and their top of the line model (cant recall
the name right now) which cost about $90. I was really looking
for the TT because Ive heard so many good things from peopple
on the Net. So if anyone can tell me where and approx. how
much it cost, I'd appreciate it. If you could, please post, my
mail seems to be bouncing. 

Thanks,
Maureen
-- 
*************************************************
Maureen A. Paone                                *
Proud Mama to Bryan Michael and Shawn Elizabeth *
*************** 8-18-88 *********** 4-27-91 *****
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:24:08 GMT


In article <1992Oct1.165838.13614@newstand.syr.edu>, kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu
  (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.221639.3826@techbook.com> davej@techbook.com (Dave J.
>Johnsen) writes:
> 
>   > The football coaching position in Monroe, Oregon was held for
>   > many years by a man named Richard Head.  He insisted on
>   > Richard.  Didn't get it too often, though.
> 
>On a similar note, a roommate of mine who was going for his Masters in
>English at the time, told me that during his time at the university he had
>had professors Fallis, Cox, and Hardin.
> 

In junior high there was a science teacher named Richard Strokirch. He went
by "Dick" and the "ch" in his last name is silent. Kids that age got a kick
out of it!
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: table corner guards??
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:07:04 GMT
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U

In article <2635@ceylon.gte.com> vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct1.013029.5449@Princeton.EDU>
>> smaxwell@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Sara Maxwell) writes:>  
>> >
>> >I have heard that they make some sort of cover or guard that you can put
>> >on sharp table corners etc so little toddlers do not whap their heads.
>> >What are these things called?  Does anyone know where
>
>We finally gave up and have had no problems.  What have 
>other people done?  

Our tables were old, so we just threw them away.  We may have the
only livingroom and den in history with no coffee table.  It makes
for lots of floor space, but is a bit tricky when friends come over.
No place to put the hors d'oeuvres!  Recently, we bought a new table for
the den that is wood and has rounded corners.  Laura tripped right into
it and got a terrible bruise - she would definitely have needed
stitches if there had been a sharp edge.  But then, like her mother,
she's not terribly coordinated so we take a lot of precautions that
other parent's might not need to.  However, Brian loves the table
because it's perfect cruising height!

-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:14:24 GMT
Summary: names


I know of a "Dick Lively" and a "Dick Held" (who now goes by Rich instead
of Dick).  The first name looks mighty funny when seen on a list with
last names first, "Lively, Dick".  

I know of a ob/gyn doctor named "Bunny Dickerman" (which at least I
think sorta funny). And my ob/gyn's first name is "Concepcion", which
reminds me of "conception" since she is an ob/gyn and female fertility
specialist.

Christine

Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.books