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From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: WHO IS HOTTER? TROI, CRUSHER, OR GUININ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:42:11 GMT
Reply-To: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us
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Originator: jim@eddie

In article <1992Jul21.234213.24229@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) writes:

>In a previous article, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz) says:

>>I am *NOT* trying to start a new thread on unattractive females in TNG
>>(although, sad to say, someone no doubt will follow up on it anyway). 
>
>I know I shouldn't, but I can't help myself.

same goes for me.  :-)  but there are a couple of ladies that are being
classified among the most ``unattractive females in TNG'' that just can't
go un-challenged.....

>1. Ensign Sonia Gomez  (Q Who, Samaritan Snare)

no, I wouldn't rank her in this list

>8. Ensign Judd (The Game - she kissed Wesley)

you *MUST* be joking.... please, tell me you're joking.  there's *NO WAY*
she gets in a listing of UNattractive women in TNG....  uh uh...no way.
nope, can't do it.  just doesn't work.

no way.  sorry, just can't see that classification for her.
   --jim

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From: barker@dmpe.csiro.au ( David Barker)
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine?
Organization: CSIRO. Div of Mineral and Process Engineering.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:13:47 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: STTNG Status Worldwide (was Re: Deep Space Nine?)
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In article <keulen.712391125@possum> keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Michael van Keulen) writes:
>lasse@mits.mdata.fi (Lasse Reinikainen) writes:
>
>>>(Over here in germany, we're at the a** of the world, we're in the middle
>>>of 3rd saison ST:TNG ==:( ) 
>>Here in Finlad we are in the beginning of the 3rd season...   :(

>Over here in Australia we haven't even managed to get through the first season!

It depends on which part of Australia you are in, here in Melbourne, the local
station (Channel 9 network) has just started season 2 of STTNG, and, as it
is being shown in the "Death Slot" of 11.30pm Thursdays, it is going to  finish
in approximately 4 weeks (right in the middle of the season!!!!!)

We fans will have to find other methods of obtaining the episodes.

David Barker
<barker@dmpe.csiro.au>
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: 'Trekkies' in unexpected places (*SPOILERS* for the movie "Boomerang")
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:07:42 GMT

In article <21JUL199219510403@cs.umass.edu> atkin@cs.umass.edu (Marc Atkin) writes:

>Dennis Miller and Luke Perry (Beverly Hills 90210) have also openly said that
>they are fans (Luke even appeared on Arsenio wearing a TOS-style uniform top).
>
>Is Star Trek so much a part of American culture nowadays that being a fan is
>no big deal anymore? Or do people still look at you funny when you announce
>you're a Trekkie/Trekker? (I kind of remember a recent thread suggesting that
>women were often turned of by that kind of statement.)

I think it depends on how fanatical you appear.  If you happen to
mention in casual conversation that you saw an episode of the Next
Generation recently and it was about such and such a topic, then, no,
you probably won't be looked at as something of an odd person.  However,
if you happen to be wearing the communicator pin on your shirt, and
three rank pips on your collar when you do this and then proceed to
relate how iritated you were by the episode's lack of continuity with
episode #54, you're probably going to get a vacant stare.

Levels of fanaticism vary widely.  Some people are fans of the show,
i.e. they watch it on a regular basis, and some people are obsessed with
the ST universe.  Perhaps because it's one that they understand much
better than the Real World.  If you've ever been to a sci-fi convention,
you've seen this phenomena.  If you look to your right, there's a guy
who's well groomed who looks interested in what the guest speaker is
saying.  If you look to your left, there's a guy who's wearing full
Kligon headgear complete with bumpy forehead and hairpiece (I've seen
this, so the Saturday Night Live parody with Shatner is not at all
outrageous!) who raises his hand during the question period and asks
Patrick Stewart why he didn't use the Kuma maneuver against the Romulans
in "Yesterday's Enterprise".

In general, I'd have to say that it's been my personal experience that
depending on what kind of a crowd you're in, people still get alert
sirens going off in their head if you openly admit that you're a Star
Trek fan (let alone that dreaded word "trekkie" or "trekker").

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From: Michael_Weber@k.maus.de (Michael Weber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb Question
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 13:45:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Hallo Jason,

s>When Picard is assimulated by the Borg, what was he called?  This is a dumb
question but I just can't think of it.

      Locutus of Borg.


Gruss, MIKE

        "Vertrauen sie mir, ich weiss was ich tue" - S. Hammer
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From: ogden_jon@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: Minuet
Organization: CSG Group
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:52:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.151632.16686@crash.cts.com> rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com
(System Administrator) writes:
>How many episodes did Carolyn McCormack appear in as Minuet?
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I believe there were two episodes.  One was the one where she was created on
the holodeck, the other had something to do with her being brought out of
Riker's memory.  I might be mistaken, but I think it was something like that.

Jon
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From: charlesk@fraser.sfu.ca (Charles Hak Kim)
Subject: Re: WANTED : ST:TNG tapes
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:07:19 GMT

brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

>In article <1992Jul24.132732.19348@yang.earlham.edu> alexv@yang.earlham.edu writes:
><  *Real* Trek Fans buy the collector's edition from Columbia Vidio House. 

>** Super-Real ** Trek fans buy ST:TNG laserdiscs!

   *** SUPER-DUPER-REAL *** Trek Fans go to Paramount studios and snatch
   the master tape for each episode.  (the stuff ya see on TV is really
   the copy of the master.  Really.  That's cuz I have the masters.

   Honest Injun!

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

Regards,

Charles H. Kim

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From: karsten@uni-paderborn.de (Karsten Brinkmann)
Subject: Who can send me Video Tapes
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:32:06 GMT

Hi folks,

in Germany it's nearly impossible to obtain 'advanced' ST-TNG Episodes.
The German TV channel ZDF has performed the first 50 of the ST-TNG episodes,
but they are dubbed. I consinder the original English-spoken episodes as
the better ones since a friend of mine gave me 9 episodes of the 3rd season.

Can anybody (esspecially in the UK) help me? I got a PAL VHS-recorder here
so that tapes from the UK should work on it. I donnot know what happened 
when you insert a NTSC tape into a PAL recorder.

I would be delighted to give a little donation for people who'll send me 
some episodes of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th season expect the following
(i already have them):

	Deja Q
	Yesterday's Enterprise
	The Offspring
	Transfigurations
	Sins of the Father
	A Matter of Perspective
	Transfigurations
	The Best of Both Worlds I+II

Thanks in advance,


Karsten


P.S.: TOS episodes are welcome, too, but i have about 15 (english) episodes
of them. So please let me know first what Episodes you have.

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From: barker@enel.ucalgary.ca (Scott Barker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Fizzbin
Date: 24 Jul 1992 11:21:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Ok. Having had a fair number of requests to post the rules/game of fizzbin
which I have, here I go. The rules are fairly simple (appears there wasn't
much added to what Kirk said in TOS). I have posted the game in uuencoded
form. Remember, it is an applesoft BASIC program. In case you want to see
the code so you can convert it to C or whatever, I have also posted the
listing of the program. Enjoy!

-- 
Scott Barker
barker@enel.ucalgary.ca

"Magick is doing the right thing, in the right place, at the right time. If you
   think that is too simple try doing it."
   - Maurice Druon, The Memoirs of Zeus
From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (LORNA_PAYNE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Squire of Gothos = Q?
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:02:05 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <19724@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman) writes:
> 
> I don't know if this is the right newgroup anymore OR if this subject
> has already made the rounds, but:

Yes, and yes.
> 
> A friend and I watched the Squire of Gothos (old Trek) this last weekend.
> She and I came up with the same idea.  Is Trelayne, the Squire of
> Gothos, related in some way to Q and that race?  The hearing was quite
> the same, but Q would be more like an adult version (remembering that
> Trelayne was just a "child").  Anyway, my friend cries "rip-off!"
> 
> Comments?  Facts?
> 
No facts are available.  Gazillions of people have spotted the similarity;
in fact, when my best friend and I sat down to watch "Encounter at Farpoint"
the first time it was shown, we both said, "Is that Trelayne?".  The bigwigs
at Paramount have never commented on it one way or t'other.  But--if the
proposed "Duelling Q's" episode ever gets made, we may finally learn the
truth.

Lorna 
-- 

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From: hpky@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (Hanan Polanski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: The new season start date is...
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:18:53 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

What's all this about the new season's "star-date"??  I-)

				James Willer at hpky@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu
					OR jmw1388@cs.rit.edu
{The opinions above are probably not those of
 Hanan Polansky. I don't know. I never asked.}
From: Patrick.D.Warn@dartmouth.edu (Patrick D. Warn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: New season start date
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:52:57 GMT
 <1992Jul20.163714.19738@nntp.uoregon.edu> <3668@vidiot.UUCP> 
 <1992Jul21.195311.3421@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <3681@vidiot.UUCP> 
 <62780@cup.portal.com> <3699@vidiot.UUCP> <1992Jul27.195506.7520@nnt 
 <3720@vidiot.UUCP>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <3720@vidiot.UUCP>
brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

> In article <1992Jul27.195506.7520@nntp.uoregon.edu> eric_gorr@coglab_psych.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr) writes:
> <
> <Yo, people.  This argument isn't worth the time.  I was the one who first
> <asked the question and have received an adequate responce.  I didn't mean
> <to start a flame war over this....just ignore brown and maybe he'll just go
> <away.
> 
> What me go away?  NOT!

Yes, but don't you have a volume or maturity level control that we can
adjust???
From: bwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Beverly Woolf)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Holodeck Question
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:16:06 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In <1992Jul23.200357.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>
>Ergo, the water is real, and his clothes would have to dry just like
>any other wet garment in the 24th (or 20th) century.
>
>Make sense?
>-- 

Remember "Encounter at Farpoint"?  Data explains to Riker that some things
are transported into the holodeck and Wesley does fall in the stream and gets
a good soaking.

...Bev


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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: FAQ lists (was New season start date)
Followup-To: misc.test
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:39:43 GMT

>In article <3668@vidiot.UUCP>
>brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

(The Vidiot refuses to answer the question of when the sixth season of
TNG is scheduled to start).

In article <1992Jul21.195311.3421@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Patrick.D.Warn@dartmouth.edu (Patrick D. Warn) replies:
>So stop wasting time acting superior to the rest of us, and put the
>answer in a FAQ! Some people have more to do in their lives then read
>newsgroups all day. . .

This is *too* funny.  Do you really think that everybody reads the
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) List?  If everybody did, nobody would
ask the questions so often.  It has been my experience that most people
don't care about FAQ lists, about netiquette, about spoilers, about
news.announce.newusers (which everybody should read on a regular
basis, I think).  Heck, many people don't even know how to change
newsgroups when they reply to an article; they just blindly post.


-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Scotty in ST:TNG season 6 episodes???
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:58:37 GMT

In article <92211.064015U16028@uicvm.uic.edu> U16028@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
> There have been some theories posted as to how Scotty can appear in the
> TNG time frame and not be as old as the Admiral shown in EaF.

I thought that the admiral was supposed to be Dr. McCoy.  I also read in an
earlier post that the name was never mentioned, thus it could be anyone.  But
I would think that it would be Dr. McCoy because he had the same personality.
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From: bill@math.psu.edu (Bill Conn)
Subject: Re: The Picard Family's Accent (was Sirtis's English accent)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Pennsylvania State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:55:50 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.203052.8139@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>  During the 21st century, the British invaded (and conquered) France by
>  way of the two "Chunnels" that had been built by that time.  Therefore, 
>  even though the people of the area that was called "France" still use
>  "French" names, they all speak with British accents.
>   -- 
>  'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
>		    Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
>		    Space Telescope Science Institute
>		    Baltimore, MD   21218

Aren't you missing a smiley face?   

:-)


   -Bill
From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Shatner proposes and idea for STVII
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:51:30 GMT
Distribution: dal
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


 >>>if Star Trek VII DOES revolve around a romance between Jim Kirk and a
 >>>young woman, then what's the big deal? He's a normal, healthy human male;
 >>>because he's got a few grey hairs is no reason to think it silly that he 
 >>>can love someone. 
 >>>
 >>>ian@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ian Littlewood)

>>because the relationships are not real; they never last; they do not convince.
>>they're flimsy plotlines tossed in to stir up some conflict.  count the number
>>of times we see the female return . . . half the time she dies or sacrificies
>>herself in some permanent manner, the others we NEVER hear about her again.
>>go ahead, count for me.
>>
>>me

 >and EVERY SINGLE ONE was in his younger days when he was sowing a few wild
 >oats... haven't you ever heard of settling down? I think you're one of those
 >Trekkers who came along once the movies started production because you like
 >the special effects... oh, and no, not all of them have been plot devices;
 >Jim has been serious about a woman more than once; Mirimanee, Carol Marcus,
 >Rayna Kapec,Edith Keeler, etc. 
 >  Mirimanee was stoned to death.
 >  Carol Marcus ASKED Jim to stay out of her life to protect David.
 >  Rayna Kapec was an android who couldn't handle human emotions.
 >  Edith Keeler was sacrificed by Jim to protect his reality.
 >
 >  I don't see a SINGLE self-sacrifice on the part of any of these women...
 >  You really should try to watch a few shows, you know...

hello ian.  FLAME ON you are a moron FLAME OFF.
i have seen all of the shows and all of the movies.

you shoot yourself in the foot with your examples; for example, mirimanee
_sacrificed_ herself to save "kirok".  did _you_ watch that show?  :-)

my point was that kirk has gotten involved with a woman sooooo many times now
that i for one am really tired of it; the relationship never lasts,
therefore it is seldom convincing, therefore the plot fails to be interesting.
yet another movie about kirk vs. some_woman stands little chance
of being entertaining, and even less chance of being a good movie.

and what's this nonsense about "sowing wild oats" in "his younger days"?
almost every <encounter> we've seen has been about CAPTAIN james t kirk,
a position of immense responsibility you might recall, not exactly the
type of job for a skirt-chaser . . . i think your excuse of "oat-sowing"
is ludicrous.

ok
dpm
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From: p5ku@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (BAMFORD)
Subject: Missing endings for STVI???
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Distribution: canada,usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 22:44:00 GMT

	Back in the fall when STVI was in its final editing stages,
I heard this rumor, which I'm wondering if anyone else heard.  Apparently,
they had filmed three different endings to the film, one of which
involved the deaths of THREE MAJOR CHARACTERS.  Does anyone know anything
about this, or have heard anything to this effect?  Just curious.
From: TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com (Shane Derek Killian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Fizzbin
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 10:07:33 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BrwrGI.CC4@ecf.toronto.edu>

>It doesn't touch Dragon Poker for complexity.:-?>
>Matthew
May be, but has anyone actually come up with a complete set of *rules*
for deagon poker??? Huh???!? Huh??!?  ;^)


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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: minuet
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:05:23 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

>How many episodes did Carolyn McCormack appear in as Minuet?

Two.  First in 11001001 and again in Future Imperfect as Riker's future
wife.


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From: yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung)
Subject: Re: Shatner proposes idea for Star Trek VII
Organization: R-Node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) - 24 hrs
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:37:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul18.045211.9659@midway.uchicago.edu> mehr@oskar.uchicago.edu (David Mehringer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.191514.6126@r-node.gts.org> yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung) writes:
>>
>>Oh. We have more option than that. We have write to Paramount and tell them
>>we don't want to see another movie. I believe the executives will take 
>>this kind of letter much more seriously than fan mail chanting "One more
>>time". 
>>
>Yes, you could write Paramount, but do you really think that would do
>anything?  My guess is what really matters is if previous films have made
>a profit, which I believe most (if not all) ST films have done.
>

I personally feel very strongly about the topic and I suspect there are more
than a few people out there felt the same way. If enough people write to
Paramount, perhaps they will listen. This kind of negative letters, in my
opinion, are much more powerful than the positive "one more time!" chant.
If the new movie does turn out not to be able to make money, I imagine
the executive will take extra heat since they had been forewarned by the
very targetted audience (namely trekker like myself) that they don't like
the idea. 


>>
>>How can a bad movie be consider as entertainment? You seems to be suggesting
>>that you would gladly swallow anything Paramount throws at you as long as
>>there is a star trek logo stamped on it. 
>
>And you seem to be suggesting that ST VII (if there is one) will be 
>anything but good.  Maybe we should wait and see.  Granted, there have
>been some below average (IMO) ST films, namely I and V, and to a lesser
>extent III, but II, IV, and VI were good.  I agree with Rick that if
>you don't want to see ST VII, don't go to the theater if/when it comes
>out.
>

You must have miss the original post.

ST VII might not be bad but, continuing with this trend, eventually they
WILL come up with a real drek like STV again. Do you want Star Trek to 
end in such a miserable ending?

>
>
>
>--
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