HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Toni@Blx-S.Prime.COM (Toni van de Wiel)
Subject: Re: back in town
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Organization: PrimeService, De Meern, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:44:40 GMT

hakan@Sweden.Prime.COM (Hakan Sjogren) writes:
> We are pretty bored with getting Benelux Info_prime messages (like this one)
> posted to USenet.
>
> WOuld you try your utmost to stop this - out customer s in the Nordic
> countries are complaning

The Info-Prime mailing-list is (bi-directionaly) gatewayed to the
comp.sys.prime newsgroup. Together they form *one* discussion group.
Thus I don't exactly understand what your customer's problem is...
Please explain it more specific.

Regardz,
++Toni;
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From: lou@yfn.ysu.edu (Lou Anschuetz)
Subject: Usenet News
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:02:23 GMT

If anyone is running usenet news on a prime (using the Prime OS),
could you please e-mail me and tell me where from whence I might
obtain the nntp and c-news (or its own variation) for this
machine/os?  Thanks in advance!

--
Lou Anschuetz, lou@yfn.ysu.edu
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From: R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 620-2800 x4666, 508)
Subject: Re: uucp gate
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:06:48 GMT

LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT THEM
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Subject: (none)
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:23:56 GMT

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IF ANYONE HAD THE ANSWER, IT HAD TO BE YOU. I DIDNT I THINK OF THAT....
From: boone@convex.cl.msu.edu (Dennis Boone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: Inactivity Limit
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:23:13 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, East Lansing

In article <9208240312.AA17547@usenet.rpi.edu> Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM writes:
>    Does anybody know if there is a way to set the inactivity limit
>for another user?  What I would like to do is have a job that ran at
>like 6:00PM that could change all currently logged in users limit to
>an hour.  I know how to lower the limit of my own process, but is
>there a way to lower it for another user?

You could set the LOUTQM to the higher limit, and run a watchdog phantom
with privilege to kill users to enforce a lower one during peak periods.
I wrote a watchdog some years back, although it didn't have different timeouts
based on time of day.
--
 == Frustration is portable. ==
From: robw@csa.bu.edu (Robert Winchester)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: News Reader?
Summary: Anyone really want one?
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:23:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: robw@csa

Hello, again, world.

  I am not asking if a news-reader exists, I know that answer. I am asking if
there is a REAL interest in porting one to PRIMOS. I actually started to write
one a while ago, but I halted when things where not looking so good for Primos.
Now I no longer have a personal need for this program, which does not work yet,
but other people have asked if one exists.
  So, is there a real need to make my code work? If YOU think there is,
drop me a note (EMAIL if you can, please). This will be a UUCP based
version since the Prime machine I use is not networked.

Thanks for your time.

_Rob Winchester   robw@csa.bu.edu

-- 
               Favorite saying:     "Yes, but does it work?"
#include "std.disclaimer.h"                /* How much is my opinion worth?? */
printf("Have a nice day!\n");
                      Press any key to continue.
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From: aardvark@nt1l.krl.com (Donald Koch)
Subject: Re: ancient history (was re: CMDNC0)
Organization: Koch Research Labs
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:39:18 GMT

In article <Btn7tC.7FF@unx.sas.com>, trumbull@allegro.unx.sas.com (Ed Trumbull) writes:
> 
>    Kevin Cummings writes:
> "Way back before search rules (which was rev 18?)."  Wasn't that rev 19? (or
> 19.4??)

19.4 was the rev that search rules were officially released (we won't mention
any BCE releases :-).  This was the same rev that EPF's were also released.
(Gee, I remember something about EPF's. :-)

>    Anyhow, speaking of ancient history, what was the reason for
> prohibiting the first character of a file name from being a numeral?
> Is this reason, whatever it is, still valid?

Because a number was used to indicate a start address for the program you
were running.  I believe this is still true for static mode programs, but
not for EPF's.
-- 
Don Koch
aardvark@nt1l.krl.com
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From: cummings@tiger1.prime.com (Kevin J. Cummings)
Subject: Re: ancient history (was re: CMDNC0)
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:09:28 GMT

In article <Btn7tC.7FF@unx.sas.com>, trumbull@allegro.unx.sas.com (Ed Trumbull) writes:
> 
>    Kevin Cummings writes:
> "Way back before search rules (which was rev 18?)."  Wasn't that rev 19? (or
> 19.4??)

Support for Search rules went into rev 18.0, along with the initial support
for running EPFs (those new confusing .RUN files that users couldn't yet
build on their own becuase we didn't release BIND to customers yet).  Ah yes.
All is never as it seems Ed.  Search rules were in rev 18, you just couldn't
really USE them until 19.something.

>    Anyhow, speaking of ancient history, what was the reason for
> prohibiting the first character of a file name from being a numeral?
> Is this reason, whatever it is, still valid?

The token parser looked at the first character of a token to try and determine
if it was a name or an OCTAL number.  CMREAD and RDTK$$ for those who remember.
It was decided not to support HEX numbers on the command line because they could
possibly start with a letter (A-F).  Is it still valid?  Probably not.  We are
capable of doing much more intensive analysis of command line tokens these days,
Of course, how does one interpret the token DEAD?  Is it a name or a hex number?
With octal (or decimal) numbers, this was never an issue.  What about a filename
that consists entirely of numbers?  How can that be differentiated from an
octal or decimal constant.  This is prably still valid today since the command
line syntax provides no unique way of differentiating, and the old interfaces
parse to either a name or number.  And Compatibililty Shall Reign FOREVER!
(Oops, sorry, wrong posting B^).
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From: a.0013@VCC3.VCC.BC.CA (Jim Chivas  Vancouver Community College)
Subject: Re: tuning
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:15:50 GMT

Thanks for the suggestion, but I am running a CPL compiler called CCPL
which does create a .RUN file.
Jim

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From: leonard@aix3090b.uky.edu (Leonard Lauria)
Message-id: <leonard.715257897@aix3090b.uky.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Subject: Re: tuning
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The slow response you mention is probably just due to the slow nature
of CPL.  Its terrible!!!  You could create a LOGIN.RUN for your menu
system, and register the programs at system startup time for a quicker
startup.

Leonard

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From: PHIL.K@PBN45.Prime.COM (Phil Kumbatovic, Product Manager, PRIMOS x7696)
Subject: Re: Another One
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:20:24 GMT

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Here is another one for you Primos Trekkies..

There has been several names for PRIMOS prior to it becoming PRIMOS. Such
as PRIMOS III, PRIMOS IV, and PRIMOS. (PRIMOS II was for the single user
operating system).  This one goes way back. What was the first name for
the multi-user PRIMOS Operating System?

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From: CHUCK@bkmain.poly-east-london.ac.uk (Chuck Foster)
Subject: P$MAXF1TRF
Reply-To: Chuck@bkmain.poly-east-london.ac.uk
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 11:05:54 GMT

I got a linkage fault when I tried to run my Rev23.2 compiled library on
a Rev21.1.4 system for the above entyrpoint.

Can anyone explain what it is/what its for, so that I can work around it
(fingers crossed) to allow for Rev21 compatibility?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: Slutz@s35.Prime.COM (Donald Slutz, slutz@s35)
Subject: Re: CMDNC0
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:33:36 GMT

CMDNC0 stands for CoMmanD Device Non-Chargeable 0. This makes much more
sense on an old partition 6mb disk where a directory could have only 72
files in it and so there was a need for cmdnc1 etc. (Note: old partitions
were no longer supported starting at rev 19.0 of PRIMOS.  As I remember it
rev 11.0 of primos was the start of the current disk format.

    -Don Slutz

Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: GOLDSTEIN@CSSS-A.Prime.COM
Subject: Prime and Star-Trek (TNG) (was: 11001001)
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:28:05 GMT

To:       Info-Prime mail list (info-prime@blx-a)
From:     D. Miles Goldstein (Goldstein@Csss-A)
Date:     02 Sep 92  4:24 PM
Subject:  Prime and Star-Trek (TNG) (was: 11001001)

> Actually, if memory serves, they did use a Prime workstation
> of some flavor to do graphics on some of the early episodes
> of TNG. It looked pretty impressive, as I recall...
> --
> Jason R. Pascucci
> jasonp@primerd.prime.com

Yep!  I'm not a Trekkie (or is that Trekker?), but we had
the demo running in our marketing office in Irvine, CA, at
the time.  The episode was called "The Traveller", and it
featured the PXL 5500 running a 3D color scan of the Enterprise.
As I recall, the sucker (the picture of the ship, not the PXCL)
blew up during one of the whimp's (Crusher's kid) simulations.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: ANDYG@ENS.Prime.COM (Andy Griffith, PRIMOS RAS)
Subject: Re: CMDNC0
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:58:24 GMT

CMDNC0 stands for CoMmanD Device Non-Chargeable 0.  Of course, with
Search Rules there is no need for a CMDNC1!

--- Your original message :

Subject: CMDNC0
To:   Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
From: PJC@ukhayc.prime.com
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:25:58 UT
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM

Having only just registered I thought I would start off with a simple question
that's been bugging me for 12 years. Does anybody know what CMDNC0 actually
stands for.

      Cheers,

       Phil Crane

Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: DUNC@CBRPN1.Prime.COM (Duncan Roe)
Subject: "Re: P$MAXF1TRF"
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:01:43 GMT

OK, FINDIT
[FINDIT Rev 22.1.1 (<ID>+<segment>/<offset> available)]
Entry name:- P$MAXF1TRF

Link resolves to segment 000032, word 173556
Doesn't look like an ECB ...

Wordno  Contents
======  ========

173556    100000
173557    040000
173560    020000
173561    010000
173562    004000
173563    002000
173564    001000
173565    000400
173566    000200
173567    000100
173570    000040
173571    000020
173572    000010
173573    000004

Entry name:- P$MAXF1TRF+20

Link resolves to segment 000032, word 173576
Doesn't look like an ECB ...

Wordno  Contents
======  ========

173576    077777   
173577    137777  ?
173600    157777  _
173601    167777  o
173602    173777  w
173603    175777  {
173604    176777  }
173605    177377  ~
173606    177577  
173607    177677  ?
173610    177737  _
173611    177757  o
173612    177767  w
173613    177773  {

Entry name:-
OK, ED PRIRUN>RING3.MAP
EDIT
L P$MAXF1
  P$MAXF1T  0032  173556  OTHER
PP
  P$LRL8    0032  173153  OTHER
  P$LLR11   0032  173454  OTHER
  P$LLR8    0032  173454  OTHER
  P$LRR11   0032  173455  OTHER
  P$LRR8    0032  173455  OTHER
  P$MAXF1T  0032  173556  OTHER
  P$MAXT1F  0032  173576  OTHER
  P$MAXFRT  0032  173616  OTHER
  P$MAXTRF  0032  173637  OTHER
  P$MLXF1T  0032  173660  OTHER
  P$MLXT1F  0032  173760  OTHER
Q
OK, COMO -E

I can send a copy of FINDIT.PMA to anybody who would like one.

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Disclaimer: Nothing of the above reflects official statements of Prime
Computer Inc., nor of Prime Computer of Australia, nor the author's...
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From: Bob_Beckwith@NeXT.COM (Bob Beckwith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
Subject: Re: CMDNC0
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:46:43 GMT
Reply-To: Bob_Beckwith@NeXT.COM (Bob Beckwith)

In article <9208261423.AA27376@usenet.rpi.edu> PJC@ukhayc.prime.com writes:
> Having only just registered I thought I would start off with a simple  
question
> that's been bugging me for 12 years. Does anybody know what CMDNC0 actually
> stands for.

Well, I can enlighten you somewhat.

  Obviously, CMD is for command. The "0" is because in ancient times, the "run"  
command would look for stuff on CMDNC0, then CMDNC1, and so on. At the moment,  
the meaning of "NC" eludes me, but I'm sure either Mike Sporer (now at DG),  
Mark Johnson (now at Oracle), or Bernie Stumph (don't know where he's at, and I  
think I've misspelled his name), could give you the full low down.

  --Bob

Prime CPU Development Group Alumnus (1977 - 1989)

Bob_Beckwith@NeXT.COM
Digital Hardware Engineering
NeXT Computer, Inc.
900 Chesapeake Drive
Redwood City, CA 94063 USA
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Here is another one for you Primos Trekkies..

There has been several names for PRIMOS prior to it becoming PRIMOS. Such
as PRIMOS III, PRIMOS IV, and PRIMOS. (PRIMOS II was for the single user
operating system).  This one goes way back. What was the first name for
the multi-user PRIMOS Operating System?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: 840122@s646.dseg.ti.com (Val Hubbard)
Subject: help
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:09:46 GMT


Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 508-620-2800 x4666)
Subject: Re: Another One
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:11:20 GMT

PRIMOS III WAS FOR THE PRIME 300 AND PRIMOS IV WAS FOR THE PRIME 400.
EARLIER THAN THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER NAME.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: CHUCK@bkmain.poly-east-london.ac.uk (Chuck Foster)
Subject: calling N$VONE remotely
Reply-To: Chuck@bkmain.poly-east-london.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:55:20 GMT

Is there a way to do this neatly? When I originally tried this a year or to
back (rev22.0 days) it used to give a POINTER_FAULT which I presumed was due
to the type of storage created by the call.

What I am checking on is whether it is possible to do a remote call to N$VONE
now, without having to fiddle with my programs to discover it doesn't, or if
there is another way to find out the dte address of the caller on a remote
system.

I cheat at the mo locally as I have a special search rule with a library call
to pass a structure back rather than a pointer and do the N$VONE 'locally';
this hardly makes the program useful for 'foreign' systems though :-)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.prime
From: J.BUSH@MD-B.Prime.COM (John Bush, PrimeService +1 508-620-2800 Voice x7068 Fax x5744)
Subject: Re: CMDNC0
Reply-To: Info-Prime@Blx-A.Prime.COM
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:55:32 GMT

Info-Prime-ers,

Gosh, all these facts about Ye Olde Prymose Operaightinge Systeme.

And to think that I always thought that "CMDNC0" was the date
of the beginning of the Primos Epoch, in Roman Numerals.  I flunked
Latin while I was learning FTN.

Hey, how about passworded MFDs?  And if you forgot the password,
don't worry!  Contact your System Administrator, who knows the
value of the Universal Password in PRIMOS II -- ^Z^Y^X^W^V^U.

Whenever I typed that, it reminded me of "XYZZY".   I expected the
system to come back with,

      "YOU ARE INSIDE A BUILDING, A WELL HOUSE FOR A LARGE SPRING.
       THERE ARE SOME KEYS ON THE GROUND HERE.
       THERE IS A SHINY BRASS LAMP NEARBY.
       THERE IS A BOTTLE OF WATER HERE."

  OK.  LISTF

       "I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT!"

As I recall, the PRIMOS IV prompt was "OK," and PRIMOS II was "OK."
(dot, not comma).  But ADVENTURE had no comma.  That's how I learned
to differentiate between the three environments, since I spent a
considerable amount of time in each.


Yours truly,
John Bush

PS:  START/STOP
     MASTER CLEAR
     0001100001001100
     RUN
     RUN

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Subject: Re: uucp gate
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	internet!MD-B.Prime.COM!R.KITTREDGE (Roland Kittredge - Marketing (508)620-2800 x4666)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:06:48 EDT
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LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT THEM
From: R.KITTREDGE@MD-B.Prime.COM (Roland Kittredge - Marketing 620-2800 x4666, 508)
Subject: DUPLICATE MESSAGES
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:46:56 GMT

THE PROBLEM OF DUPLICATE MESSAGES FROM UUCP AND INFO-PRIME STILL EXISTS.
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