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From: catcher@netcom.com (Paul W. Francisco)
Subject: Re: Being made...
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:27:03 GMT
Organization: Night People

In article <1992Sep9.131036.17282@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kmoore@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kyle E Moore) writes:
>     Just a sidenote... I found it amusing in Stoker's book, and in so many 
>other interpretations, that it was necessary to use the *Christian* emblems of
>the Cross and the Host to ward off the evil spirit.  What if the guy was 
>Jewish?

A number of years ago when I was reading comic books there was a story
in the X-Men involving Dracula.  He was at one point coming after Kitty
Pryde, who was a Jewish member of the X-Men.  She knew he'd be coming
(I don't remember how she knew) and prepared herself with crosses.  When
Dracula first saw the cross he backed off, due to reflex, but then he
realized that he had no belief in it, rendering it ineffectual.  He then
grabbed her by the neck and screamed in pain.  She was wearing a Star
of David necklace, which burned his hand.

So my question then becomes, what does an atheist or an agnostic do?
In my case, nothing, since it's sort of a fantasy of mine, but for those
who have no interest in vampirism, what would they do?

-- 
Paul W. Francisco        	    In the shadow an angel cries...
catcher@netcom.com                      - Front Line Assembly
From: mcline@terapin.com (Matthew Cline)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampyres/Origins too
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:32:32 PST
Organization: BBS

        Another possible origin of the vampire myths is that sometimes people
will spontaneously go into something like suspended animation.  Hundreds of
years ago, because of the state of medical scinece, they were assumed to be
dead and were buried.  When these people woke up in their coffins, they would
become frantic and do all sorts of things trying to get out, like gnawing at
their shoulders.  When their corpses were exumed ( I can't remember why they
were exumed), they found that the corpses had mutilated shoulders, etc., which
lead to vampire myths.

Matthew Cline
mcline@terapin
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From: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez)
Subject: Re: being made
Reply-To: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:20:53 GMT

About the proletariat and vampires,

It seems logical that vampires would strike at the
"proletariat" since authorities would not be seriously
concerned with any deaths.  Thus no formal search would
happen. This is certainly used by Rice and other
people.

As to the elitist nature of vampires, who would want to
live surrounded by vampires?  A few to provide support
is all that is needed. In fact, movies/books that
suggest that a vampire's bite is all it takes to
become a vampire have to deal with the exponential
increase in their numbers.  

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From: death@buhub.bradley.edu (Dustin Slater)
Subject: Re: Killing your neighborhood vampire
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 07:02:23 GMT

In lumley's necroscope sreis the preferred methos is a stake through the
heart, decapitaion then burning the corpse. then spreading the ashes.
--
death@buhub.bradley.edu                              death@camelot.bradley.edu

             I am waiting for the end of my wide awake nightmare.
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From: mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie)
Subject: Re: "Dracula's Guest"
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:04:46 GMT

If I'm not mistaken, the Stoker "story" was the inspiration for
the early vampire film "Dracula's Daughter" (1936) which was Universal's
"official" sequel to the Lugosi Dracula.

Michael
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From: bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart)
Subject: Re: Vampire books...
Reply-To: bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart)
Organization: Citicorp+TTI
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:38:50 GMT

There's a collection of short stories called "Under the Fang."  It's
various takes by different authors about what our world would be like if
somehow vampires took over.  Some of the stories have "biological"
vampires, some are about supernatural ones, and some seem to be hybrids:
nothing particularly supernatural about the vampire nature, but lots of
the legendary stuff about garlic and silver still works.

---------

A fanatic is someone who does what he knows that God would do if God knew the
facts of the case.

Some mailers apparently munge my address; you might have to use
bsmart@bsmart.tti.com -- or if that fails, fall back to
72027.3210@compuserve.com.  Ain't UNIX grand?
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Anne Rice
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:32:25 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep11.081736.22872@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, 
kcr1318@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.C. Romelli) writes:

> 	There's been a lot of questions about Anne Rice's work, in book
> and movie form; therefore here's the story:
> 	Anne Rice has recently finished TWO SCRIPTS. One is for Interview
> With A Vampire and the other is The Witching Hour. Interview With a
> Vampire was turned over to producer David Geffen. It is "true to the original
> story" according to Rice. A production date, however, has not been set.

My perfect cast for _Interview With a Vampire_ would have to include:
	Julian Sands as Lestat and Danial Day Lewis as Louis

It's true that Rice herself often invisioned Rutger Hauer as Lestat, but IMHO
he's a past the age for doing the character.  And I laugh at all the people
that still think Sting would be perfect in this role.  Go rent _Gothic_,
_Warlock_, and _Naked Lunch_, and check out Sands.

> P.S.	The September issue of Fangoria (Special All-Vampire Issue) is
> 	where I found the above listed information.

Which also contains info about the vampire movie Julian Sands *is* starring in:
_The Tale of the Vampire_, could you please provide all the information
possible from this article, K.C.?  Thanks.

(Btw: I heard Rice has also been hired to re-write a script for 
_The Bride of Frankenstein_)

Greg Bole                               "Are you coming?  Yeah, well see the 
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu             train moves, not the platform."
                                       John Lovitz in _A Leauge of Their Own_
From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: _Rockula_, Yarbro, porphyria, and questions
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:59:10 GMT

In article <Bu9yK5.8xD@xcluud.sccsi.com> dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Karl Leikam) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.153028.5843@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep7.181441.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>>> [stuff deleted]
>>>This may be getting a little long, but I have just one more request: Does 
>>>anyone know any methods of becoming a vampire *without* being bitten by one?
>>
>>
>>One that I've come across a few times is that the one to be turned drinks the
>>blood of the vampire, given as a gift from the vampire.  We saw that in _The
>>Lost Boys_, Jack Palance's PBS _Dracula_, and it can be found in a few books.
>>
>
>   A recurrent alternative method is simply having a sufficiently strong
>will to refuse death. Steakley implies this, and I believe Saberhagen 
>actually states it.
>

In Saberhagen's latest, _A Matter of Taste_, that's how Dracula (Drakulya) 
became a vampire.

-- 
      ---=>   Charles Stewart (aka Scott) : drakonar@cs.montana.edu   <=---
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From: lev@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian S. Lev)
Subject: Re: We need a list of Vamp[iy]re Movies
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. USA
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:56:00 GMT

In article <rodgers.715660847@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu>, rodgers@maxwell.mmwb.ucsf.edu (R. P. C. Rodgers, M.D.) writes...
>The best all-time vampire movie has to be the spoof which Roman
>Polanski did in the late 60s, "The Fearless Vampire Killers."
>A film with a sad connection in retrospect, as it was in making this
>film that Polanski met his future wife, Sharon Tate, who was subsequently
>the victim of the Charles Manson clan.
> 
>I haven't found this film on video tape, but it would be one of the few
>videos I would actually buy if it were available.


Check out your local Blockbuster or West Coast Video -- both have had it in
stock here on the Right Coast...

-- Brian
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From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Vampire short stories
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:56:56 GMT

bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner) writes:
: In article <1992Sep14.030630.17053@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> aaron@space.ualberta.ca writes:
: >Another, whose title nor author I cannot recall, had a very novel idea.  A
: >Catholic priest becomes a vampire, and visits a Jesuit friend of his shortly
: >upon discovery of this, trying to reconcile his vampirism with his holy
: >calling, and wondering at God's intent.  The Jesuit friend goes through the
: >list of standard vampire vulnerabilities, and notes that holy wafers are
: >commonly known as anathema(and the priest has proves this)--but nothing at all
: >is said about sacramental wine, which is supposed to represent the blood of
: >Christ...  They hold an impromptu semi-Communion, and it turns out that the
: >wine transformed into the blood of Christ is sufficient to slake the hunger of
: >a vampire.  A novel idea, for sure, but all I've seen of it is the short story.
: >;-}  I'll check tonight, when I can use my computer to check my databases, and
: >maybe I'll find the title of the story, and post it tomorrow...
: >
: 
: "Flesh and Blood" by Brent Buckner (On Spec, Fall 1991)

Ah!  That explains why I didn't find in my IASFM collection.  Boy, us Canadians
are sure clever thinkers, aren't we?  Yeah, that was a good story.  So you've
read it too, eh?  ;-}

--
---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
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From: moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Sting as Lestaty
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:15:48 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Anyone who has doubts on Sting's ability to perfectly play Lestat should 
see "The Bride"..He is infinately evil,handsome, compelling, etc..But I 
must say I would prefer Julian Sands..but I don't think he'll want to do 
antother vampire movie..

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   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!jwlhyfer@well.sf.ca.us ]
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From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Subject: Re: PENTOGRAMS GOOD OR BAD?
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-5100]: sparta
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:45:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.023759.23970@ultb.isc.rit.edu> cxw3455@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.X. Woodward ) writes:
>In article <1685AC79B.ADELEKTA@kentvm.kent.edu> adelekta@kentvm.kent.edu writes:
>>On the subject of pentagrams:
>>
>> As for their efficacy against vampires, I always thought that it was the faith
>>behind the symbol that was repellant to vampires, and therefor any religious
>>symbol would work (unless, I suppose, it was a religious vampire :)
>>
>>anne
>
>Well, this is also a 'Christian' slant on it.  But since thats a prereq for
>this part of the thread.....
>
>I don't quite recall the name, but there was a movie where a priest (who was
>shown to be unfaithful and not compleatly believing) was struck down by a
>vampire while holding a cross.  The quote from the vampire was something
>akin to "The symbol in your hands means as little to me as it does to you."
>
>I don't remember likeing that part though.  Right after that some kid picked
>it up and 'holy'ed the poor vampire off before he could finish off the priest.
>
I have never seen the movie completely, but I remember a line similar to
this in the book _'Salem's Lot_ by Stephen King... which, incidentally,
got me started in the wierd hobby of Vampiremania... and Anne Rice just
made me secure of my position :) It's a good book, and it certianly made
me think because of the specific reason mentioned above-- you have to
believe that the tool you are using will do the job. Otherwise, your neck
is history.:)

Meow...
Misti
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From: steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman)
Subject: Re: Vlad Tepes, a defense
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:45:18 GMT

blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:

>And in regards to the Spaniards, I don't know where or why you don't consider
>eliminating an >entire< civilization as being 'out of the ordinary'.....

Back then it wasn't.  Simply slaughtering your "enemy" and raping its women
were common in the Dark/Middle Ages.  From that perspective, what Spain did
was no worse than what their neighbours were doing (i.e. avoid foisting
today's morality on historical events), although admittedly they were on
the "trailing edge" of our wholesale genocidal tendencies.  But my under-
standing is that people like Vlad and Caligula exceeded what was considered
"normal" torture methods at the time, and so qualify as exceptional murderers.

100 years from now, I would think that Jeffrey Dahmer would stand out from
John Wayne Gacy; both raped and mutilated little boys, but I don't think
Gacy ate them.  It's like having a bell curve for murder.  Most will use
techniques which are effectively common (but not morally acceptable), while
some do that extra little something that makes them famous.
--
Dave!
From: mcconnel@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu (Mike McConnell)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: innocent blood
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:12:28 GMT
Organization: Kent State University

In article <1992Sep11.172021.24687@emr1.emr.ca>, gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep10.031337.14451@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep9.195610.27408@ctr.columbia.edu> lilorenzin@apollo.davidson.edu writes:
|> >
|> >Well, carnivorus mammals and raptors generally have binocular vision for depth
|> >perception, but gorillas do too, and they are herbivores.
|> 	Well, that seems like an evolutionary throw-back, since they are
|> 	descended from the same genetic tree as us humans.
|> 
|> >be hard pressed to find a truer preditor than a 
|> >great white shark.
|> 	Hmmmmm, how about humans ?
|> 
 Humans are not totally predators, as they are omnivores.  Like many primates,
 early humans evolved a hunting-gathering life-style.  This would differ greatly
 from 'true predators' or animals that live wholy from predation, like wolves 
 and sharks.

Mike McConnell
Kent State
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From: fluffy@camelot.bradley.edu (Jeffrey Waltersdorf)
Subject: Re: Vampire books...
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  8 Sep 92 06:31:38 GMT

In <manz.715907702@ee.ualberta.ca> manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz) writes:

>In <1992Sep6.193727.18690@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep6.050545.24107@cs.mcgill.ca> zippy@cs.mcgill.ca (Fotis XIPOLITAKIS) writes:
>>>	I recently finished reading the "Vampire chronicles" by Anne
>>>	Rice and was severly impressed! Does anyone have the name of
>>>	anyother good vampire series?

>>Although they haven't written a series yet, Mercedes Lackey and Barbara
>>Hambly have each written at least one rather good vampire-based novel.
>>Also, Fred Saberhagen has written about six books in a series involving 
>>his version of Dracula and friends.

>Titles!!  Please, give us titles!!

Barbara Hambly's book was _Those_Who_Hunt_the_Night_, and I thoroughly
enjoyed it.

Saberhagen wrote _The_Dracula_Files_, if memory serves correctly, but
I have not read any of these...



Jeff
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From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: Just a test (all apologies to literate vamp[iy]res)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 11:26:31 GMT

Hubert J Montas (montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
:    Hi guys,
:       I have trouble with my rn program so I thought I'd try
:    a test. Please don't come & bite me for this!
: 
:       Hubert.
: 

Gee I love animal blood in soup, maybe I should try something new!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: Vlad Tepes, a defense
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 14:49:05 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <Bu39KI.7vJ@me.utoronto.ca> steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) writes:
>blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>>Tepes and his methods were no worse than those around him, just much more
>>memorable. :)
>While Vlad was probably no worse than, say, Caligula, apparently he was a
>bit atypical for his times.  Colin Wilson, in "A Criminal History of
>Mankind" (great book, btw), describes Vlad as "one of the most appalling
>monsters in history, deriving tremendous pleasure (undoubtedly sexual) from 
>watching people die slowly."  

As bad as the French and English beating on each other for 100 years? As bad as the
Spaniards, who decided that because they discovered the New World they could do what
they wanted with it, depsite the fact that their was already people living there? As
bad as the Plague that ravished Europe only a few decades before? As bad as the Turkish
Ottoman Empire- who ran roughshod over everything in their way in the name of Religion?

No- I'm not saying he was a Decent Kind-hearted Leader- but he was a product of his times-
I'll stick by that assesment.
r.

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From: staats@athena.mit.edu (Dick)
Subject: Re: Vampyre anime
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:38:28 GMT

Mitch,

	I've seen both of them.  According to some Japanese businessmen here on
campus, Shinma is the "spirit of chance".  I don't speak Nipponese (much to my
disgrace having spent over a year living in the Far East); so, I'll take their
word for it.  I found both "Vampire Hunter 'D'(Dracula)" and "Vampire Princess
Miyu" to give equally dark views of the world.  In "D", the werewolves and
vampire lords basically held the world captive after dark, but people were at
least fighting back.  In "Miyu" the demons had carte blance`, but Miyu was
"assigned"(?) the task of keeping the rest of the demonic horde in the great
beyond.  Unfortunately, there didn't seem to be much mortal resistance --- the
psionic investigator displayed some abilities to dispel the nasties, but it
wasn't very substantial.

	Are there any "happy" Animie Vampire films?

	Just curious,


	Rich
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From: d86-emh@dront.nada.kth.se (E Magnus Hulthen)
Subject: Re: Vampire books...
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 10:11:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.050545.24107@cs.mcgill.ca> zippy@cs.mcgill.ca (Fotis XIPOLITAKIS) writes:


	   I recently finished reading the "Vampire chronicles" by Anne
	   Rice and was severly impressed! Does anyone have the name of
	   anyother good vampire series?

Well the series that started my interest in vampires (wierd hobby :-)
was the Necroscope series by Brian Lumley. He does treat the legends
in a novel and irreverent manner that could irritate some though.
Personally I found the books fast paced and interesting.

					/Magnus Hulthen
					d86-emh@nada.kth.se
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: New reader query
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:31:35 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <72106@apple.Apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>Apologies for the simplistic question:
>
>Why are you all spelling the word 'vampyre' rather than 'vampire'? Is there
>a special significance to this spelling?
>
I've wondered that myself.  I think it's like the people who spell "magick"
with a k, to distinguish 'real' magick from stage magic.

Bill Marcum
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: "Tale of the Body Thief"
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:10:48 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

Here's what Advance Comics sez:

The Tale of the Body Thief ($24.00)
hardcover

Anne Rice's latest book in her mega-popular VAMPIRE CHRONICLES series.
Lestat, the Vampire-hero of this series, has reached a crossroads - all
his hard won vampire rationale is called into question and he must embark
on the most dangerous enterpirse he has ever undertaken.  6"x9" 428
pages.  Highly reccomended.

Due out this month.
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From: ieya@byron.u.washington.edu (Morpheus Laughing)
Subject: Re: "Dracula's Guest"
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:02:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.224027.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>Have any of you read this Stoker short story?  I believe it was originally
>supposed to be a chapter of _Dracula_, but was removed, and later published
>posthumously by Stoker's wife.
>
>It's a great story, and invoves Jonathan Harker and a female vampire that 
>transforms into a giant wolf.

it was supposed to be the first chapter of dracula, but trimmed for length
reasons and anthologized until oblivion ever after...

ieya

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From: shibe@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ye Olde Kinge Tafur)
Subject:  Killing your neighborhood vampire
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 06:01:30 GMT

	I'd be interested in seeing a list of all the reputed methods of
killing vampires as well.  The ones I've read on the net so far:

Stake through the heart.
Exposure to direct sunlight.
Complete immersion in running water.

I've heard/read these before, though never tried them out.  

Has anyone out there ever heard of a method that involves
a wild rose?  I think you're supposed to put the wild rose in the coffin
with the vampire and then burn the coffin, though I don't remember where
I read this.

Any other methods?  (If you can, please include where you read/heard about it.)

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Eric

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot:  I would thou wert
cold or hot.  So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I
will spue thee out of my mouth."

--Revelations iii: 15-16
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