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From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Cig and Alcohol Ads
Originator: kevinh@nath
Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:45:30 GMT


In article <168C07D96.GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu>, GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes) writes:
|> >The noose around the tobacco industry is slowly going to tighten,
|> >because countries everywhere, including the United States, are not
|> >going to be able to afford the health costs...and advertising is
|> >going to be the first and main target.
|> >
|> >Tobacco has an advantage over other drugs though...being an
|> >important product of the only superpower in the world.
|> >
|> >
|> Must disagree philosophically with Gerald on this one,
|> as well as on a couple of niggling points. In representative
|> democracies there remainsa vast difference in standing of
|> activities that are legal and those that are illegal as
|> far as protection and opportunity under the law.
|>  
|> There may be health risks associated with cigarette use,
|> consumption of alcoholic beverages, recreationa and
|> procreational sexual contact, consumption of red meat, under
|> and over exercise
.....

|> Taking the argument to its extreme level, all
|> activities which pose a risk to the individual
|> and a potential cost to society ought to be
|> prohibited. History suggests that such totalitarian
|> impositions do not serve the best interest of a
|> flourishing human spirit.

Fine, but there's one big difference between smoking and the
other "harmful" activities you list - the effects on people NOT
wishing to partake in smoking. Smoking is the only one of
the above activities which actively harms people in the vicinity
nevermind the unpleasant effects of merely being in the same room
as a smoker! If you think that the desire to not die from
somebody elses vice is "totalitarian" than you have some pretty
warped ideas!

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: marti@inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
Organization: Dept. Informatik, ETH Zurich, Switzerland
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:57:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.103111.8183@polaris.utu.fi> franti@polaris.utu.fi
(Pasi Fr{nti) writes:
>bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>>Ohhhh....is this the same Mears who is:
>>- 3 time national champion ('79/'81/'82)
>>- 4 time Indy500 winner (79/84/88/91)
>>- Only driver to win 6 Indy500 poles (79/82/86/88/89/91)
[etc.]
>Has he any merits from the Formula-1?  No. That's what I thought. 
>Who is this guy anyway?? :-)

Let me just remind you that Rick Mears tested a Brabham-Ford BT49
back in the early eighties, achieving faster times than a certain
Nelson Piquet, then Brabham's #1 driver and three times F1 World
Champion.  A certain Bernie Ecclestone, then proprietor of Brabham,
offered Mears a drive as Brabham's #2 in F1.  However, Mears decided
to stay with Penske in CART/IndyCars.

-- 
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:56:29 EST
From: <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
 <1992Dec15.183951.2766@hasler.ascom.ch> <92350.160116BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>

In article <92350.160116BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>, <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu> says:

>In article <1992Dec15.183951.2766@hasler.ascom.ch>,
>kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) says:

>>In article <BzB8nx.4ty@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>>|> Maybe for my Xmas present this damn machine will start
>>|> working again......
>>|>
>>|> .....just curious about something.  Seems to me that the
>>|> Damon Hill announcement (at least here) has garnered more
>>|> discussion than the Mears' retirement announced last week.


>>Mears? Mears? Who's he?? Ohh - a NASCAR driver, that explains
>>it. C'mon, this is an international forum, not some tin pot
>>old dinosaur racecar club :-).

>    BBBzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzztttt. WRONG! Try Indycar driver.
>    NASCAR will always beat a parade! :-)
> Brian ' I never did like marching bands ' France


>>|> -bob-

>>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch


          OOOOOPPPPPssssss!!!!!!!!   I missed your smiley face.
          Thanx Bob for pointing this out. Sorry!
Brian "It must be all this snow outside, Yeah, that's it, I'm snow blind"
France
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From: Ardalan=Sadeghi%System%Co_LAN@deskpro.COMpt.pitt.EDU
Subject: A Tip of the Helmet!
Organization: Bull World Wide Information Systems Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:15:04 GMT

A tip of the helmet to William Stoffel and his 'Televised Event' listings.
Without his efforts many races would have been missed.  And the summer
season (racing season) could be a lost cause.  Just to let you know that
your efforts are appreciated.  Thanks much and have a merry christmas.

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From: kk776307@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu 
Subject: Audi in F1 ??
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:46:19 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College
Followup-To: haroon@lamar.colostate.edu

	Are the rumors true that Audi might be getting into F1
	racing?  Anyone know about their engine design or other
	stuff for the car??


Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com (Mark Jackson)
Subject: Re: F1: Rover and Jordan
Reply-To: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:29:49 GMT

In article 1gsqfjINN8gh@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk, mbahh@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk (A.H.
Henry) writes:

> In article <1992Dec18.081247.9240@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:

> >Interesting.  Is Rover still a British Leyland company?  (Are Jaguar?)
> >Or are one or more of these entities owned by the Japanese?  And wasn't
> >the 1.5 litre Coventry Climax F1 engine a product of British Leyland?
> 
> The metamorphosis from BMC -> British Leyland -> Leyland -> Austin Rover 
> -> Rover Group  was more complicated than you want to know !

Shame on you, Andrew; you skipped BMH and BLMH! :-)

> I've never heard of the Coventry Climax engine being one of their 
> engines, but I'm no expert on that era.  It was designed as a portable 
> fire pump.

Coventry Climax was certainly a separate entity in the 1950s, and
almost certainly in the early 1960s, so the answer to Robert's question
should be no.  If it's since been engulfed by BLARMHG Ltd. I missed it.

(Sorry to offer nothing more than an "I think so" on a factual
question, but my reference materials on this are at home and I will be
off-line until January 4, starting about 5 minutes from now.  Pleasant
holidays, everyone.)

---
Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
    [X and Y] point out that their device is hardly state of the art.
    It was, after all, built out of off-the-shelf parts by theorists.
	    - world-class understatement from the November /Physics Today/
From: tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: One last swipe at Sandi Andretti ENOUGH!
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:24:21 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

Zorro hats, trendy this, untrendy that... who gives a rats toot?  Now
Senna driving for Penske, mashing wheels with Mansel... this is good stuff
and I may be able to see it up close and personal, right here in Portland.
Damn, this could be a good year in CART.

Terry

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Hill vs Prost (was Re: Williams F1)
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:10:05 GMT

In <lisfs8INNh6@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:

>From article <1gj5ukINNi3a@morrow.stanford.edu>, by jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller):
>> Chris (and others), what makes you think that Damon will be regularly beating
>> Prost next year? Prost has 44 GP wins, and will be back in top shape by the
>> start of the season, as well as being accustomed to the car. Even if he is
>> starting to lose speed to age, I doubt his ability has dropped much yet.

>The testing results that have been published, so far show that the
>closest Prost has gotten to Hill's times is 0.6 seconds slower and the
>numbers have more often been in the range of 1.0 to 1.6 seconds slower.
>Those numbers say that today, Damon Hill can walk away from Allain Prost
>the same way that Nigel Mansell walked away from Rico Patrese.

The last one I saw had Hill at x.61 and Prost at x.77 seconds, with Hill's
time being set on a new tyre compound. This is not indicative, I know, but
unless they're on a track, going for pole, it's going to be hard to tell
who's faster. 

>But, unless he [Prost] can close and reverse that gap that 
>now separates him from Hill,  Damon must be the favorite for next years 
>championship.

Hill is helped here by the fact that Williams is usually fairly neutral
when it comes to choosing between his drivers, although Prost is obviously
the #1 driver on the team. What may hamper Hill more is that Renault are
supplying the team's engines, and Prost is French. Maybe they can pick
engines by straws. Regardless of all that, I'd put large amounts of money
on one of the Williams drivers winning next year, and on past performances
it would have to be Prost.

regards,
-- 
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                                               |ACSnet:         thos@softway.oz
 "Lex is a flaky implementation of a bad idea" |UUCP: ...!uunet!softway.oz!thos
                          - Ken Thompson, 1988 |Internet:    thos@softway.oz.au
From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: OnTrack's top10 drivers list
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:20:19 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

The latest OnTrack (American bi-weekly for those not familar) rated
the top 10 F1 and top 10 IndyCar drivers, sorry no GOBs were rated.

The order is as follows

	Formula One		IndyCars
	-----------		-------------
	Senna			Mi Andretti
	Schumacher		Unser Jr
	Mansell			Rahal
	Alesi			Goodyear
	Hakkinen/Herbert =	Tracy
				Fittipaldi
	Patrese			Boesel
	Berger			Johansson
	Brundle			Ma Andretti
	Prost			Sullivan

My comments. Prost????  Why isn't Piquet in there then?  Patrese ahead of 
Berger?  I would flip/flop Schumacher and Mansell.  I don't know about
Mario being ahead of Sullivan, Cheever, John Andretti, Luyendyk.

Dan Jones
From: cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Madgwick Racing
Date: 18 Dec 1992 13:54:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In the 1991 season, Madgwick, then known as Mansell-Madgwick, ran
Paul Warwick in British Formula 3000 (Derek Warwick's brother)  He
was killed in an accident, and was pothumusly awarded the title at
the end of the season.  He had won the first four or five races and
was leading when he was killed.  I was really looking forward to 
seeing him in the big leagues.  
 
### 
-- 
      
Brian Wilson...                 Not from the Beach Boys!
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: DamonHill to Williams (F1)
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:53:00 +0000

..or so my local BBS says. It was Heard on the Radio I believe.

I reckon if he's got the balls to push Aytron off the track, he'll
P** all over Prost!

He's fast, but is he ruthless enough?
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Cig and Alcohol Ads
Originator: kevinh@nath
Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:41:10 GMT


In article <1gnqh4INN8to@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson) writes:
|> 
|> I neither smoke or drink, but seeing sposorship decals on F1,
|> F3000, IndyCar, IMSA, or NASCAR cars doesn't bother me at all!
|> They have NO effect on me (I'm sure Marlboro, Budweiser, and
|> everyone else doesn't like to hear that).  My point is that
|> these ads do not promote taking up smoking, but switching brands
|> if you already do.  How many previously non-smoking Michael
|> Andretti fans are gonna start puffing away at Marlboro's in
|> honor of their driver?  Not many, I submit.  Advertising is
|> based on the one principal that we all have: the ability to make
|> a decision.


Sorry, disagree on this very strongly. Obviously the point of adverts is
to encourage you to change your brand loyalty but they also encourage
the impression that smoking is the norm and acceptable when it's not.
Certain ads are aimed at the younger generation (often < 16). Witness
the strong (and strongly criticised!) campaigns by cigarette companies
in south America specifically aimed at kids. See also ads that give the
impression that cigarettes are manly (Marlborough?), cigarette ads that
give the impression women prefer men who smoke etc etc. Whilst they
may have no impression on you - they are proven to have an impression
on the impressionable.

I think Charles Queginer's idea of linking a percentage of sponsorship
monet to automobile products was a good idea, rather than using F1 (or
any other sport for that matter) as a marketing base!

|> Brian Wilson...                 Not from the Beach Boys!

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: trubik@hydra.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Subject: Mears retires!
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 04:41:39 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Rick, that is.

Announced his retirement in a press conference today.
He will stay involved with racing (Penske?) in a 
consulting role.

Sorry to be so sketchy, but that's all I could gather
from my poor tv-viewing-and-hearing position.

-steven
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:30:05 EST
From: <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject:    NASCAR: Brewer and JJ split?!

     I just caught an article on BITNET that JJ and Tim Brewer
     "parted ways" Friday. Seems there's been friction between
     the two rumored since Atlanta. Well, being an AWESOME Bill
     fan, and up here in PA where NASCAR news seldom comes, is
     it true? If so any word on who the replacement might be.
     If true, (and I kinda hope it is), I'd like to see Mike
     Beam(sp?) back with Bill. Any info greatly appreciated!
Brian ' Will NASCAR and GM set the rules this year so FORD won't dominate '
 France
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: cweber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Weber)
Subject: Re: Porsche trivia question
Organization: The Ohio State University
 writes:
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:19:34 GMT

>In article <1992Dec11.202515.6416@msc.cornell.edu>, tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.U
UCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402) writes:
>> Not sure whether this goes here or in r.a.vw... :)

This goes here 8^)

>>
>> Does anyone out there know what the Carrera and RSR designations mean?
>> Presumably the Carrera is named after the Carrera Panamericana, of
>> (among other things) buzzard bar fame, but what makes the Carrera model
>> different from the stock 911?  Similarly for RS (Rallye Sport?) and RSR.
>> If these aren't real sports cars (as opposed to, say, Mazda's idea of a
>> "pure sports car"), you have my apologies (and direct followups to r.a.)
>>
>> Just wondering...
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Dave
>I believe that the carrera is the convertible, the targa is the t-top and then
>there is one more name given to just the hard top.
>>

No,no,no....

The cabriolet is the convertible Porsche, the targa is the removeable hard top 
(not a t-top) the coupe is the full roofed version.  The carrera designation 
goes to the cars that have stiffer, sportier suspension, bigger tires and 
wheels, etc.  It's the higher performance model, and if my memory serves me 
right (none of my books in front of me) the term carrera was influenced by the 
race of the same name.  RS means "renn sport" (or racing sport in english) and 
represents a step higher than the carrera.  The RSR designation refers to a 
still higher performance version usually reserved exclusively for racing.  The 
designations following the model number will usually refer to improvements on 
the theme in performance areas...etc.  (S,T,E,RS,RSR,GT,GTS)  depends on the 
model.  And despite what mazda will tell you, the sports car has been alive and
well for many years and Porsche (and Ferrari, and Lambo, and Ford, and Chevy, 
and etc.) have been building them all along (and for a lot longer).

I hope that clears things up!

C.Weber
-- 
-Christopher David Weber -  NER PCA Z1  -  cweber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu-
-President of the Sports Car Club at OSU - Don't blame me, I'm an elephant--
-             speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?               -
From: pighetti2194@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Porsche trivia question
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:34:06 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Dec11.202515.6416@msc.cornell.edu>, tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402) writes:
> Not sure whether this goes here or in r.a.vw... :)
> 
> Does anyone out there know what the Carrera and RSR designations mean?
> Presumably the Carrera is named after the Carrera Panamericana, of
> (among other things) buzzard bar fame, but what makes the Carrera model
> different from the stock 911?  Similarly for RS (Rallye Sport?) and RSR.
> If these aren't real sports cars (as opposed to, say, Mazda's idea of a
> "pure sports car"), you have my apologies (and direct followups to r.a.)
> 
> Just wondering...
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Dave
I believe that the carrera is the convertible, the targa is the t-top and then
there is one more name given to just the hard top.
> 
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: ah179@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Wilson)
Subject: Opinion on Mears
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:57:37 GMT


I am a big Rick Mears fan.  I saw him win his fourth (and final)
Indy 500 in 1991.  I have immense respect for him as a driver and
a team player.  When he sat out with his injury, he was there at
the track to help coach Tracy.  He is the consummate professional.
 
Its good to see a competitive driver quit 'while he's ahead.  I
think that few would dissagree that Mears is still capable of 
winning races.  He has suffered since his Sanair crash in the mid-
1980's, but he has battled back strong.  He had two victories and
more than one pole position in his final full year of racing, and
he was competitive in the few races he ran this year (2nd in 
Australia...)
 
I think that its good to see him retire while he can still
run with the big boys.  It is sad to see some of the drivers
who hold a copmetitive ride 'hostage' just to hope that the
22 cars in front of him fall out of the race.  Hopefully,
Mears will form his own team in the future, and start 
building a Penske-like empire of motor racing.
 
My two cents worth  (I'll have to write a check...  :-)  )
-- 

Brian Wilson....           Not from the Beach Boys!
From: mbahh@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk (A.H. Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Daytona 24Hours News
Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:01:09 -0000
Organization: Daresbury Lab., Warrington, U.K.
NNTP-Posting-Host: seqnet.dl.ac.uk

In article <BzD7Av.Evq@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>A few early team drivers lineups for
>the Rolex 24 at Daytona, Jan 30-31:
>
>AAR (2 cars): #99 - FangioII, Andy Wallace
>and maybe David Loring.  #98 - PJ Jones,
>Rocky Moran and Mark Dismore
>
>Roush (2-3 cars): Tommy Kendall, Max Jones (?),
>Robbie Buhl, Jim Stevens, Michael Dingman and
>John Fergus
>
>Gunnar 966 - Dennis Aase, Chip Hanauer and
>Bobby Carradine

The Motoring News has Derek Bell confirmed for one of
Gianpiero Moretti's Nissan NPT92s.  

Davy Jones, Scott Goodyear and Scott Pruett are tipped
to drive one of two Jaguar XJR-12s.  They may be joined
by Michael Schumacher, Martin Brundle or Mark Blundell.
At the moment only Davy Jones has been confirmed.


                        Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles                                  bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: AARWBA All-America Driver Nominees
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:39:10 GMT

The ballots are out for for AARWBA (American
Auto Racing Writers and Broadcasters Assn)
1992 Auto Racing All-America Team.  The
nominees are:

Open Wheel:  Michael Andretti, Emerson Fittipaldi,
Scott Goodyear, Bobby Rahal, Danny Sullivan, Al
Unser Jr.

Stock Car:  Davey Allison, Bill Elliott, Harry Gant,
Alan Kulwicki, Mark Martin, Kyle Petty

Road Racing:  Jack Baldwin, Juan Manuel Fangio II,
Paul Gentilozzi, Parker Johnstone, Steve Millen,
Scott Sharp

Drag Racing:  Joe Amato, Kenny Bernstein, Doug Herbert,
Warren Johnson, Cory McClenathan, Cruz Pedregon

Short Track:  Mike Eddy, Jeff Fuller, Junior Hanley,
Steve Kinser, Bill Sedgwick, Robbie Stanley

At Large:  Robert Amren, Irv Hoerr, Blaine Johnson,
Rod Millen, Larry Ragland, Chris Smith

My votes?  Rahal/Kulwicki/Johnstone/Pedregon/Kinser/Hoerr

-bob-

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: paran@ee.ualberta.ca (Makarand Paranjape)
Subject: Re: Indy 500
Keywords: Indy500 tickets
Organization: Dept. of E.E., U of Alberta, Edmonton,Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:36:17 GMT

	Is there anyone who might be interested in a pair of tickets
	to the 1993 Indy 500?

		location:	inside turn 4
		additional:	- comes with 2 garage passes
				- a reserved campsite 
		price:		at least face value, but highest
				bidder gets them.
				(face value=$30 each + $25/night for camping)


	I'm sending this in for a friend, so contact me at 
			paran@ee.ualberta.ca
From: ljb@parkcity.dr.att.com (BLO54620-BonhamLJ(DR2194)240)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Titainium Con-rods
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:19:16 GMT

I realize this should be posted to autos.tech, but the folks over there didn't
have an answer to my questions so I thought I'd try this net.

Does any one have experience with titainium connecting rods?

Other than cost, what are their drawbacks?

Do they have a short life cycle like aluminum rods?

How do they compare to a premium steel rod such as a Carillo for strength?

What is the power/rpm threshold at which it becomes advisable to use titainium 
in a raod race/endurance engine?

Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.
Larry
From: johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Rick Mears retires!!!
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:31:48 CST
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

sigh... according to  the 12/21/92  issue of Autoweek, Rick Mears has announced
his retirement  effective immediately.. no racing in '93.. I guess this opens
that spot for Senna??? It says Mears thought about it all season..

He'll serve as a driving coach/consultant role for Penske Racing in '93..

sigh....

John Liskey
johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us
its a sad day...
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Various threads.
Date: 18 Dec 1992 20:56:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <1992Dec18.081247.9240@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>, by marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti):
> Interesting.  Is Rover still a British Leyland company?  (Are Jaguar?)

Don't know about Rover.  Jaguar has been a property of Ford Europe for
1.5 to 2 years now.

Chris