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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: National Asian Brotherhood of Skiiers?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:32:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Nov18.195849.8938@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
>
>It seems any time I mention the idea of quitting my job and ski bumming it
>for a year or two, I immediately become an outcast.   In fact, I have yet
>to meet one person who says "Cool idea."

If you think that's bad, try saying it to your wife!

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:58:27 -0500 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: National Asian Brotherhood of Skiiers?


I got a lot of help and instruction in learning to ski from a guy who
is Japanese and happened to be visiting from Hitachi. His name is
Motohisa and it was very good of him to bore himself helping me get
started....I think it amused him. He was not from Hokkaido but liked
to ski there....I remember commenting on how crowded the slopes were 
on some horrible day around Christmas and he thought the lift lines 
and crowd weren't bad at all.

Went to work and when asked what I did that weekend I said, "Skiing,
I love it, Who wants to go?" and Motohisa said, "I've got a season
pass...go all the time...want to take turns driving?" He helped me
buy my first pair of skis. Nice guy.

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Val Thorens, France.  Short Report
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:26:10 GMT

Saturday 14th Nov.

The last few days have seen some heavy snow in the French Alpes (and heavy
rain everywhere else in France.)  Val Thorens is one of the early opening
resorts in France and is situated in the Savoie department at 2300m.

The road to the resort was not well cleared and was icy, as would be expected
pre-season.  Anyone going skiing in the French Alpes at this time should take
snow chains.  The village itself was deserted with only a few shops open.

There was a fairly good range of open pistes, 1 black, a few reds and blues
although none had been particuarly well groomed as 1 piste basher seemed to
be serving the whole resort.  A number of pistes hadn't been touched and offered
deep powder on piste skiing to those who dared.  A real day for the experts who
were whooping it up.  Despite the snow depth the pistes on the glacier had ice
showing in places but no bare ground or rocks.

Judging by the number of cars on the car-park there were probably about 200
people on the slopes.  The 'crowds' having been frightened off by the dire
weather forecast issued on Friday evening.

The morning was bright and sunny but conditions got worse in the afternoon,
the experts didn't seem to notice but people of my level began to tire in the
cold and low visibility.

I will either have to get a lot better at skiing or go shopping Saturdays :-)

David.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rstern@col.hp.com (Richard Stern)
Subject: Re: Custom Insoles
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:33:13 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

> db> To answer your question, I just bought some new boots and got custom
> db> insoles made.  I think they are called SuperFeet.  They do improve the
> db> fit of my boots noticeably (the sales guy claimed I had strong pronation
> db> [flattening of the feet] and that the insoles would help me a lot.  Many
> db> other people have told me that custom insoles are well worth the money.
> 
> db> However, I'm now having problems with minor cramping in my arches.  I
> db> haven't yet determined if it's just the new boots breaking in, the custom
> db> insoles, or what.
> 
> Probably they just need to be ground down a bit under the arch ...
> ... Don't live with this; get it remedied!

Not so fast.

The "instruction" sheet that came with my SuperFeet insoles said it'll
take about 10 days of skiing before they'll be broken in completely. 
They say you should figure on skiing with them for about 3-4 hours at
first, and gradually build up to a full day.  The guy at the shop 
recommended taking the normal boot insoles and switching to those at 
lunch.

So don't be so quick to hack away at your new insoles.

Richard Stern
rstern@col.hp.com
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:15:11 -0500 
From: "C. Mark DelSesto" <cd1y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Vail

Ok, who knows how vail - or co in general - is doing?  I hear theyre
getting good snow.  Whats the deal?
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Custom Insoles
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:29:50 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 21 Nov 92 00:29:46 GMT, dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann) said:

db> To answer your question, I just bought some new boots and got custom
db> insoles made.  I think they are called SuperFeet.  They do improve the
db> fit of my boots noticeably (the sales guy claimed I had strong pronation
db> [flattening of the feet] and that the insoles would help me a lot.  Many
db> other people have told me that custom insoles are well worth the money.

*Definitely* worth the money.  Always.

db> However, I'm now having problems with minor cramping in my arches.  I
db> haven't yet determined if it's just the new boots breaking in, the custom
db> insoles, or what.  I'm still playing with boot adjustments to try to rectify
db> the problem.

Probably they just need to be ground down a bit under the arch (I'm having this
same problem and will be heading back to Chivers to have them ground this
week).  Don't live with this; get it remedied!
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Sitting here watching a *BIG* dump...                              ISSC Boulder
From: vlad@inavia.msk.su (Vladimir D. Korovkin)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: The best Russian girls want to ski in US PRO
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:27:21 GMT
Reply-To: vlad@inavia.msk.su
Organization: International Aviation Industry Exchange

We would like to organize Women PRO SKI TEAM on Soviet National SKI Team
base to participate in US PRO SKI TOUR. The team would include exceptionally
talented young women from former USSR. They earned several victories and took
upper places in the most famous ski world competitions.

The probable PRO TEAM might include two or four skiers and one or two coaches.

The aproximate cost to participate in The US PRO SKI TOUR during December-April
is estimated about $200,000US for team (4 skiers+2 coaches) and about $100,000US
for 2 skiers+1 coach. This expenses include accomodation, transport, ski lift
lease, etc.

All athletes are experienced skiers who have taken part in World Cup competitions
since 1986. Team skiers are good-looking atractive Slavic girls who might do
their best in ads.

The women skiers are really very good. We are sure they might take upper places
in US PRO SKI TOUR. Same men team which has been established on former USSR
MEN NATIONAL SKI TEAM base already participates in US PRO COMP. The men skiers
got success dispite their results in World Cup competitions has been lower than
woman ones.

We are looking for owner of The Team who could run girls into US PRO TOUR.

     1.Lodzinja Ulla (born 1971).

          Height 180 cm
          WEight 72kg

          Madonna di Kampilio - the 3d (1988)
          Europa Cup  - the 1st (1989)
          Steamboat-Springs - the 4th (1990)
          Europe Cup (final result) - 2d (1989)
          The 1991 Lowlanders Ski Championship - 1st

     2.Loginova Olga (1966).

          Married

          Height 165cm
          Weight 58kg

          The USSR (CIS) 1992           - champion
          Europe Cup                    - the 6th (1989)
          American Intercontinental Cup - 3d...6th (1990)

     3. Tichvinskaja Marina (1970)

          Height 164cm
          Weight 56kg

          The USSR (CIS) 1992 - the 2d
          American Intercontinental Cup - 4d...6th (1990)

     4.  Buga Natalia (1971)

          Married

          Height 160cm
          Weight 55kg

          Universiada, Bulgaria - 1st (1989)
          The USSR (CIS) 1992   - champion

     Coaches: Kurisyn Arkadeei, born 1954,
              high quality degree coach
              1976-1982 coach of local "Trud" Ski Club, Moscow
              1982-1985 senior coach of All-Union sportive "Trud" Club
              1985-1986 senior coach of Moscow SKI TEAM
              1986-1991 coach of USSR NATIONAL SKI TEAM
              1991-1992 coach of RUSSIA NATIONAL SKI TEAM

              second coach would be preferable


--------------------
Vladimir D. Korovkin,

Chief of Information Department

INTERNATIONAL AVIATION INDUSTRY EXCHANGE

2, Aviamotornaya St.,
MOSCOW, 111250, RUSSIA

Tel.(voice/fax):+7-(095)-361-6473
E-mail: vlad@inavia.msk.su
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eileen@microware.com (Eileen Beck)
Subject: snowfall reports
Summary: snowfall reports
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:33:06 GMT

I'm sitting here is Des Moines in the pouring rain counting down the
days (35) until I'll be in Steamboat for a week of bliss.

Anyway, I`m real anxious to hear any snowfall reports from Colorado,
Steamboat specifically, but any and all reports are appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Eileen
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: New rating system (was Re: Double Black Diamonds at Mammoth)
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:20:06 GMT

In article <By0sss.EsB@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
><sigh> Double blacks. End of an era. 

Agreed.  While the original idea was not bad, they've become predominantly
a marketing tool.

I prefer areas that have gates and signs warning "experts only," tends to
give people more pause, but unfortunately, more and more skiers have had
their opinions of their abilities raised by having been able to get down
some cheesey double-black diamond of the marketing ploy variety.

Here's an interesting question:  How could you change the rating system,
such that skiers of lesser ability would have adequate warning of more
difficult runs, without making the more difficult runs an enticement to the
more-testosterone-than-brains type skiers?

Or is it even possible, after all, all you'd be changing is the names, not
the runs themselves.  What you need to change is people's perceptions of
what it means to have skied a given run.

How about this:

	Current			New System

	Green			Manly beginner run (womanly beginners?)

	Blue			You're cool now run

	Black			For ballet instructors only

	Double-black		For sissy experts
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
From: bes@drutx.ATT.COM (SizerBE)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Telluride ski information
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:37:43 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

Someone asked for information about Telluride CO.  Since I happen to
have a news-paper article with 1992 ski area information, here goes.

Location: From Denver: 330 miles via I-70, CO 50, CO 550, CO 62 and CO 145.
From Grand Junction: 127 miles via CO 50, CO 550, CO 62, and CO 145.

Dates and Times: Daily, November 21 - April 11, 9 a.m. - 4 p.m.

Snowmaking: Yes

Lifts: 1 high-speed quad, 6 double chairs, 2 triple chairs, and 1 poma lift.

Lift Tickets: Early season discounts!  November 21 - December 18:
Adults: Full day $29, half day $24.  Rest of Season: Adults: Full day $39.

Runs: 21% Beginner, 47% Intermediate, 32% Advanced.

I haven't skied Telluride, but I have driven there from Denver.  It took
approximately 8 hours, and that was in the summer.  I would recommend
renting a car, because the scenery in and around Telluride is spectacular,
see as much of it as you can.  Also, Telluride is a small town and, besides
skiing, there may not be much in the way of entertainment.
From: kettyle@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (john.jr.kettyle)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Hunter Open yet?
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:07:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsi.1992Nov18.170756.13909
Organization: AT&T

> Hmmmmm.....let's see where to begin.  Hunter is a zoo on weekends.
Okay, Here goes. 

Is Hunter of Windham open yet? If so has anyone skied there?
If not when will they open?

I'm looking to cut down the early season ski-trip times. Instead of the 
two trails at Killington, I'll settle on two trails and two hours travel-time
saved.

John
From: jon@netlabs.com (Jonathan Biggar)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Timeshare available in Park City, Utah
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:04:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.
Originator: jon@clamp.netlabs.com

I have a floating week at a timeshare in Park City, Utah that I am not
going to be able to use.  I'd like to rent the time out to someone instead
of going to waste.  I probably can't get any time booked this year, (but I
can try if you want), but it should have time available for use early next
year while the ski season is still good.

Let me know if you are interested.  Terms are negotiable.

Jon Biggar
jon@netlabs.com
From: sdb@bnr.co.uk (Simon Brueckheimer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: SKIING IN THE CATSKILLS
Date: 19 Nov 1992 11:45:51 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Limited, Harlow, GB
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.129.85

Can anyone provide information on skiing resorts in the Catskills suitable
for good intermediate skiers, and accommodation.
I'm interested in self-catering if there is such a thing in the USA,
or hotel accomodation.  Also travel connections and suitable international
and domestic airports. Cost, snow availability, all that good stuff,
for the week starting 27/12/92 or thereabouts.

Cheers

Simon Brueckheimer                            email: S.D.Brueckheimer@bnr.co.uk
Simon Brueckheimer                            email: S.D.Brueckheimer@bnr.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: Warren Miller Ski movies (?questions?)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:46:23 GMT
Distribution: rec.skiing
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD - MWTD) - Santa Rosa, Ca.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

> Semi-monotonous? That's interesting. I think Mr. Miller is _hilarious_! He
> coulda given Bob Newhart lessons on deadpan delivery...8-)
 
 Actually, after you've seen a few of 'em, all the WM movies look and sound
 the same. Same footage, same jokes, same everything. Boring. Thank god
 for RAP (Real Action Pictures) and Gregg Stump. Finally there's some
 choice!

 And speaking of RAP...this year's offering (Carving The White) is 
 extremely nice. Just got a screening copy of the film last week. You've
 gotta like a ski movie that runs for 7 minutes before the narration kicks
 in...lets you know the priorities are straight.

 ..glen "You can fly without fear....you will fly without fear...you are
         determined to fly without fear."

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Ahh, hahahahahaha...WIPEOUT!!
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:29:55 GMT

Well, the worst fall (doesn't qualify as a wipeout) I had was
a couple years back down at Taos.

My friend Jim and I were on the first run of the day, and he
said "I know this great run".  Well it turned out to be Longhorn,
a steep mogul run with a sprinkling of trees in the slope.  I
had my randonee skis, because we were going to do some backcountry
the next day.  I made my first turn and my outside binding released
and I fell over downhill. I was wearing one of those slick gortex
jackets.

I started sliding on my back, head first, and I was accelerating
very quickly.

Those trees that were sprinkled throughout the slope immediatly
came to mind, did I mention that I was accelterating quickly.

No matter how hard I tried the only thing I got to see the whole
time was the sky flying past me.

One ski was still attached which prevented my from rolling over
onto my stomach, did I mention that I was still accelerating
very quickly.

My life started flashing in front of my eyes, did I mention that
I was still accelerating quickly.

Well I missed all the trees, and ended up sliding about 100 yards.
I was completly sapped of all and any energy I had.  My entire body
was shaking for at least an hour.  I spent the rest of the day on
some easy blue squares.

--Chris

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: hunter@master.lds-az.loral.com (Bill Hunter)
Subject: Purgatory Snow
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: Loral Defense Systems - Arizona
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:09:43 GMT

Any appreciable snow in Purgatory????

Bill Hunter
Scoutmaster, The Vertical Edge
Loral Defense Systems - Arizona
1300 S. Litchfield Rd.
Goodyear, AZ  85338
PH 602 925 7929  Fax 602 925 6988
From: Drew.Moor@f15.n243.z1.fidonet.org (Drew Moor)
Sender: FredMail@p0.f27.n243.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Mont Tremblant
Date: 15 Nov 92  11:26:00 est

EJ>Could someone in the know tell me when Mont Tremblant
EJ>(Quebec) is scheduled to open?
EJ>How about other Quebec ski areas?
EJ>It's a long drive to Killington....

HI ERIC!
  
Well, I have the information that you were looking for.
  
MONT TREMBLANT is scheduled to be open Tuesday, November 24 this 
season.
  
They have a toll free number for reservations and ski conditions.
  
The number to call is.......
  
1-800-567-6760
  
That's 1-800-567-6760.
  
The predictions are for seven trails to be open at that time, with 
more on the weekend, depending on the weather!
  
HAVE FUN!
---
 * Origin: Drewski's  f15.n243.z1.1fidonet.org  1-613-234-2473 (1:243/15)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: waw@moose.uvm.edu (Mad Dog SkiDeath,send mail to Wesley.Wright@uvm.edu)
Subject: Re: Steepness 
Originator: waw@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:18:02 GMT

From article <1992Nov18.195849.10259@netcom.com>, 
by brunette@netcom.com (Hal Brunette):
> Goat      Stowe, VT                    35.3               19.5 degrees
> 
Remember, too, that these are average grades over the length of the trail.
Maximum grades may differ. The upper sections of most of the front four
trails at Stowe are closer to 42%, if memory serves. The attraction of
Goat is its narrowness compounded by a double fall line and gnarly rocks.
For all out steepness, the tops of National and Starr are more forbidding.
Especially when you throw in a couple of bumps and National's ever present
polar ice cap.

Wesley Wright
Academic Computing Services
University of Vermont
From: lizn@uts.amdahl.com (Elizabeth Neely)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: New skier seeking info
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:46:57 GMT
Reply-To: lizn@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Elizabeth Neely)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


I've never been skiing before and we were thinking about doing this for
Christmas vacation. Is it too late to plan a trip for Christmastime? I 
called Lake Tahoe, and there were no rooms left; are there any ski places
that are more likely to have rooms at Christmas time? It has to be somewhere
that offers beginner lessons and rents equipment.
I was also wondering if I should buy a jacket,ski pants, gloves, etc, or will
I be able to rent these?
Any recomendations on Jackets,pants,etc?
Any other info a beginner might like to know would be appreciated too!


			thanks, Liz
			lizn@uts.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: naz@sei.cmu.edu (Neal Zundel)
Subject: Resort Reommendations
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:39:05 GMT

My friends and I are planning a trip to Vermont on a college
promotional package.  The three resorts we have to choose from 
are Smuggler's Notch, Sugarbush, and Stratton.  We are looking
for the mountain that has the best skiing which isn't too costly.  

Thanks for any help!
Neal Zundel
From: bockerstet@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: 1992 K2 Extremes for sale
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:19:41 PST

     I can't resist posting this with all the K2 Extreme posts out there.
I am selling my 1992 K2 Extremes.  I have skied only one day on these skis.
The bindings are also only one year old, they are Looks.  The skis are in
perfect condition with no base scrapes whatsoever.  The skis are 200 cm.
The reason I want to sell these is that they are too advanced considering
my new conservative skiing style.  Bad knee and shoulder sprains tend to
do this.  Anyways, I want $250 for the skis with bindings.  I live in 
San Bernardino, CA.  You can call me at the following numbers.

       Work    (714) 384-7375   7:30-4:30 pst
       Home    (714) 880-8781   6:00pm -     anytime weekends

or you can e-mail.

thanks,
Jim Bockerstette  
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: North Carolina resorts to open 11/16/92
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Distribution: net
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:10:29 GMT


SORRY to post this general, but my mailer hiccoughed...


djm408@tijc02.uucp (David Marks) writes:

>All you southern skiers get your equipment waxed and sharpened as Sugar
>Mountain Resort and Ski Beech will both open 11/16/92!!!

>It has been in the teens to 30's (farenheit) all weekend and both resorts
>have been making snow like crazy.

>Sugar will have Big Birch and the lower third of Flying Mile open serviced
>by the green triple chair.

Whoopie! 
You sound like a local. Tell Me O Johnson City skiier, is the whole mountain
usually open by 18 December? (my reservations this year - 18, 19, 20 December
warmin' up for Purgatory 8-)

thanks,
jim p



-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov     
Madison,AL (205)461-4922  
i need to ask myself.....
***********         Would I rather be right, or happy?         ***********
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Snow?
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:20:39 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: co
Organization: ISSC Boulder

Hmmm...  From the looks of them mountains, it may just be snowing up there.
Perhaps Friday will be my first powder day of the season?!?!?!?!
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Chant of the week:  "Snow, snow, snow, snow..."                    ISSC Boulder
From: lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu (John Lobaugh)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: gore-tex patent expires? (was:Re: Gore-tex vs etc)
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:18:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

On the subject of Gore-tex, I read a net.rumor on rec.backcountry that the 
patent on Gore-Tex is about to expire and that we are going to see a whole
host of cheap Gore-Tex products in the near future.
Does this make sense to anyone out there? I have no idea how patent
law works and how it differs from country to country so I thought I would ask 
the net...

-- 
"Let us say Yes to our precesence together in Chaos" John Cage
John lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing