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From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: 2C on 2-suiter
Date: 13 Aug 1992 19:32:30 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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With the discussion of whether to open 2C on a 21 HCP 3-5-0-5,
I was struck by a hand from the US team trials.  On

S: K9  H: AKQ82  D: --  C: AKT764

Martel opened 1C and Kaplan opened 2C.  Martel may be closer
to the mainstream of American bidding.  This one is only 19
HCP, but also only 2 losers.  Kaplan has long advocated more
limited opening bids than are usual here.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
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From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Subject: Re: Another missed slam
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:12:40 GMT

In article <102440018@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com> msl@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Mark Laventhal ) writes:
:Here's another example of missing a good slam:
:
:	W(dealer)		E
:
:	AK			QJT9x
:	QJxx			
:	Qx			AKJxx
:	KJxxx			Axx
:
:
:The bidding:
:	W	N	E	S
:	1C	2H	2S	P
:	3N	P	P	P
:
Were you playing weak NT's??  Why didn't West open 1NT? Now nothing
will keep you from slam.
 
Do you play 2S as a negative freebid? Was it forcing? If so, what does
3NT show that 2NT does not?  What would 2NT be in your methods? If
3NT shows extras, Easts final pass becomes even weirder.
East's final pass is ridiculous even if 3NT does not show extras.

East should bid 4D over 3NT, then over West's signoff of 4NT bid 5C.
 Now even West can't avoid bidding either 6C or 6S.
--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"
From: bpwing@phoenix.princeton.edu (Ben Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: NT with a partial stopper
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:05:24 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
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In article <1992Aug19.150031.27773@cfa.harvard.edu> willner@cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner) writes:
|
|Many systems, including Bridge World Standard, use a balancing jump
|to 2NT as natural showing 18-19 or 18-20 points.  Of course, it

Where can I find a copy of BWS? (somewhere in Bridge World, obviously, but
which issue?)  Does anyone have this online anywhere?


ben
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From: varis@zoyd.ae.utexas.edu (Varis (Carey))
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Bidding problems..
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:43:37 GMT
	<1992Aug10.235025.4169@ramon.bgu.ac.il>
Organization: CFD Lab, Dept ASE-EM, University of Texas at Austin
In-reply-to: avir@chen.bgu.ac.il's message of 10 Aug 92 23:50:25 GMT


Avi Shapiro writes

: hand 4:
:> AK
:> Jxx
: > AKx
: > KQ


: > unfav, 1H-?

Obviously, there are two ways to bid this hand. The first is to pass
in  tempo, hoping that the bidding will not stop there, and the second
is to double and bid 1NT over partner's expected 1S response.

Bob Silverman and David Desjardins made an excellent case for passing,
and I agree that passing offers the best chance for a plus score.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Pass is a bad call.  It is horrid at matchpoints, planing to go -80 or
+50 in 1H when you are odds on to be going plus in a suit.

Pass puts to much pressure on partener.  With Qxxx xxx Qxxx xxx he
would pass, the opponents would make 7-8 tricks in hearts, and you
would be smiling with -80 on your face when you are near ice for
+110-lose 5 or 6 imps.

with Qxxxx xx Qxx xxx he would pass to, not balance, with you again
making 1-2 spades, while 1H probably rolls in.

with xxxx Qxx xxx Axxx he would not balance with 1Nt unfavorable, and
on the lay of the cards you are odds on for 3Nt(4C,1H,2S,2D) and have
chances even on a mega-passive defence. That is a vulnerable game
swing versus the probable +50/+100 you will collect in 1H!!

the only hands where pass is right is when partener holds nothing,
except for heart length and the opponents have no 7 card fit.

         Here is what happened at the table, with Ron Rubin, member of
the Spingold winning team, holding the disputed hand.

1H-DBL-P-1S-2C!

A great bid by a champion.  This avoided the distortion of the 1Nt
rebid, and allowed his partener to make a descriptive call, (like show
a diamond side suit, or bid NT with a 5-7 count, or hell, even raise clubs)

Mike Becker held Jxxxx xxx Qxx xx and rebid 2S.  Rubin tanked, and passed.
made 2.
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Subject: Re: A Matchpoint Decision
From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:52:01 GMT
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates

>At this point, you realize the opponents can make 3 or 4 spades,
>as your only tricks are two hearts and possibly 2 diamonds.
>Your first thought is to cash out for +120,
>to beat all the pairs going -140, -170, -420 defending against spades,
>or possibly +50 for beating 4S.
>
>Then the realization hits that 3C or 4C will make +130,
>so +120 may not be enough.

Depends entirely on who the opponents are.  Against most, I would grab
my 120, but if they were (very) bad, I might try for 150.

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From: matt@bacchus.esa.OZ.AU (Matthew Atterbury)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: bridge program for PC
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:35:46 GMT
Organization: Expert Solutions Australia.

> 
> Does anyone know where I can get bridge programs for PC?
> Thanks.
> 
> --
> Tao Jiang
> Swiss Federal Inst. of Tech., Lausanne

    I am posting as no-one has mentioned this one yet (that I've seen).

    I bought "Omar Sharif on Bridge" (what a name!) and it's not bad.
    Defends and plays adequately (it does have some glitches, e.g. it
    will lead _its_ 4-card suit against NT despite _me_ bidding).  I
    would say its fine for a beginner/intermediate to practice with.

    Manual is OK, but of no use for learning bridge. Seems to play
    5-card majors (manual doesn't say) and NOT configurable
    (conventions etc) - a definite minus. Only plays rubber bridge.

    The worst thing [which is a "feature"] is that it has digitised
    speech [presumably] of Mr.Sharif himself - tacky! (it can be
    turned off though). Graphics are fine. Controls are fine. Still
    waiting for a "real" game though :-).
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Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: Professor WHO?
Subject: a hand
Originator: boyiny@kovalevskaya
Reply-To: boyiny@math.mit.edu (Dr. Weird)
Organization: Ayatollah's Correct Bidding Lessons
X-Subliminal-Message: Speak softly and carry a Big Club.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 19:24:13 GMT


A friend sent me this hand encountered in an evening of DOOP (Taiwanese
equivalent) play for practice for the Junior squad.  

Okay, you hold, in first seat, no one vulnerable:

S:75
H:872
D:QJT86
C:J42

Would you open 2D if your methods tolerate this hand?  
Do you think it ought to?  Well, my friend _DID_ open 2D.  The
development was short and sweet(not for him):

North	East	West	South
2D	X#	P	P
P				# Optional: balanced or near balanced
				  with 14+ hcp and at least two diamonds.

The lead was the King of Spades (showing the ace or shortness, may have the
queen if looking for a count signal).  This is what you saw coming down:

S:JT86
H:J964
D:53
C:T65

Trick 1: Spade _king_, six, trey (upsidedown attitude, normal count), five.
Trick 2: Spade _ace_, eight, deuce, seven.
Trick 3: Club _king_, five, trey, four.
Trick 4: Club _queen_, six, nine, jack.
Trick 5: Club seven, ten, _ace_, deuce.
Trick 6: Heart three(attitude), deuce, _king_, four.
Trick 7: Heart ten, six, _queen_, eight.
Trick 8: Heart _ace_, seven, spade four, heart nine.
Trick 9: Heart five, ?  Now what?My friend ruffed with the _eight_ of trumps.

Trick 9: Heart five, _diamond_eight_, spade nine, jack.
Trick 10: Diamond queen, _king_, trey, deuce.
Trick 11: Club eight, diamond five, diamond nine, _diamond_jack_.

These guys (in real life, Yi-hong O and J.-R. Huang, Pat's son) are brutal!
Now what do you do with two cards left?My friend led the six out of his hand.  Oops!

S:Q32		S:AK94
H:AQ53		H:KT
D:972		D:AK4
C:A93		C:KQ87

.... down 1400.  Lose 8 imps against "the other table".  Playing the ten
would have saved six imps and my friend tries to find justification for his
play from me......!   What do you think?


According to my friend, this was the original results
from the Venice Cup final, 1991:

North		East		South		West
Bep Vriend	Lynn Deas	Carla Arnolds	Beth Palmer
P		1C*		P		1N
P		2C**		P		2D+
P		2H**		P		3N++
P		6N		All Pass

* Strong.
** General asks.
+ 4+hearts.
++ 11-13 hcp with 3-4-3-3 shape.

Result: making seven, 1020 to the U.S.

North		East		South		West
Karen McCallum	Marijke vdPas	Kerri Shuman	Elly Schippers
2D		X		P		3D
P		3S		P		4S
P		4N		P		5S (2keys+Q)
P		7S		All Pass

Result: down one, 50 to the U.S.

The Dutch anchor pair had a disastrous misunderstanding in the final of the
event-- presumably Marijke van der Pas' 3S did not show five but was taken
as such.  In any case, this was a huge gain for the U.S. and for the
kamikaze style of preemption of McCallum-Shuman.  Does this hand really
prove anything?  I guess not.
From: msl@hpcvlx (Mark Laventhal )
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Bid this one for me
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:59:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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Thomas Andrews (thomaso@centerline.com) wrote:
> >
> 
> Another question:
> 
> LHO	You	RHO	Partner
> 1H	P	1S	1NT
> 
> What do people play 1NT as?  This time my partner had intended to show
> a strong NT and I thought it was the minors.  Another bad result.
> So what would people play by default?
> --
> Thomas Andrews
> CenterLine Software

In the absence of a firm partnership understanding,
I would play 1NT as a strong NT, while 2NT would be for the minors.

Mark Laventhal
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Subject: Re: Appeals Committee ruling
Reply-To: jbaron@dirac.ssc.gov (Jeff Baron)
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Lab
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:47:46 GMT

Paul Raymond McMullin writes (to our own Robert D. Silverman) :

- Grow up.  If the W player had a long history of improperly taking advantage of
- partner's explanations, that might be one thing; to assume that he is somehow
- benifiting from E's expression of his bridge knowledge (that W was looking for
- a stopper in S) is something else.

Well.  That's got to be a first- someone telling Bob (may I call
you that?) to grow up!

Jeff

Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: pi@wam.umd.edu (Raymond L. Gilbert)
Subject: Re: bridge program for PC
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:49:56 GMT

In article <MATT.92Aug19123546@raven.bacchus.esa.OZ.AU>, matt@bacchus.esa.OZ.AU (Matthew Atterbury) writes:
> > 
>     I bought "Omar Sharif on Bridge" (what a name!) and it's not bad.
>     Defends and plays adequately (it does have some glitches, e.g. it
>     will lead _its_ 4-card suit against NT despite _me_ bidding).  I
>     would say its fine for a beginner/intermediate to practice with.
Excuse me? Did I hear someone say they actually like this program?  I've seen
dogs that can play bridge better than this game!  The only people I've seen that
liked the game are the reviewers at Computer Gaming World, and when I spoke
to the person who wrote the article, he admitted to knowing nothing about
bridge before playing the game.
> 
>     Manual is OK, but of no use for learning bridge. Seems to play
>     5-card majors (manual doesn't say) and NOT configurable
>     (conventions etc) - a definite minus. Only plays rubber bridge.
I'll say that's a definite minus!  The only thing anyone could possibly
learn from this program, other than how not to play, are the actual rules
and scoring of bridge.  For that, a book is much better.  I've seen this
game pass on jump shifts and leave you in 5 card fits when you have a 9 card
fit somewhere else.  The horror stories I've heard from my friends are too
numerous to mention here.
> 
>     The worst thing [which is a "feature"] is that it has digitised
>     speech [presumably] of Mr.Sharif himself - tacky! (it can be
>     turned off though). Graphics are fine. Controls are fine. Still
>     waiting for a "real" game though :-).
Ha!  The graphics and sounds are the *only* good things about this program.  
The best PC bridge program I've seen is Grand Slam (they're coming out with
a new version soon).  It isn't very good, but at least it won't pass out
jump shifts on a regular basis.  True, you won't get all the nifty graphics 
and sounds, but are you playing bridge to hear Omar Shariff tell you that
you've made a good play every time you take a trick?  If you want to play  
bridge on a computer, I reccomend sticking to OKBridge.  Aren't there any
computer programmers out there challenged by the idea to build a better
bridge player?
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From: h75@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Henk Uijterwaal)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Bid this one for me
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:18:53 GMT
Reply-To: h75@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Henk Uijterwaal)
Followup-To: rec.games.bridge Distribution: world
Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands).

In Jeff Engelhardt writes:
>North dealing
>
>N:	A K Q J 9 6 5 3 2      S:	   T
>	4                        	   A K 8 3
>	J 9                                A 7 6 5
>	4                                  A K Q T
>
>How would you bid this?

      1 S                                   2 C
      3 S  (6+S, semi-solid suit or better) 4 NT (RKC)
      5 S  (2+Spade Q)                      5 NT (Kings?)
      7 NT

Since 5 NT guarantuees that all aces are present, N can ignore partners
asking and bid 7. This should be cold as soon as S has a side suit king. 

Henk.
From: murphy@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Ransom Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Need Book Recommendation
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:40:53 GMT

Can someone please recommed a few good 
books on modern point count bidding 
methods and play.


Thanks,
Ransom


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Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: bs@faron.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Subject: Re: NT with a partial stopper
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: smds
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:13:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.093834.23472@smds.com> rh@smds.com (Richard Harter) writes:
:
:There has been some discussion of the merits and demerits of doubling
:and rebidding NT with a 2-3-4-4 distribution and Jxx in opponents
:heart suit.  Bob Silverman objects strongly; others disagree.
 
You talk as if I am the only one who objects. I am not.

:There are several different issues here.  One is the impact on
:partnership understanding if you end up in NT and they run hearts.
:Another is the likelihood that you will end up in NT and they can
:run hearts.  Still another is the question of what contract you
:can expect to play in profitably.
 
Yet another that you all seem to be overlooking  is that you wind
up defending and partner misdefends because he placed you with cards
in hearts. Partner might partially count your HCP and halfway through
the hand realize you can't have the K clubs [which you hold] because
you must have the K or A hearts (or similar).


Another is partnership trust even if they can't run hearts. It
may not matter on this hand because partner does indeed have Qx.
However, next time partner will be wondering whether your NT bid
has a stopper or not and on that hand it *might* matter.

You can't sometimes bid NT with a stopper and sometimes without a
stopper. Partner simply won't be able to trust you. And with good reason.

Most of you seem to play bridge by yourselves. You constantly bid
and play as if you are the only one at the table. I would have
sympathy for your partners but they probably do the same.
--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: campbell@Aero.org (Andrew Campbell)
Subject: Re: Appeals Committee ruling
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:31:37 GMT

In article <ted.714063980@sage0> ted@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ted Ying) writes:
:
:Okay folks.  This is a problem from the Hunt Valley regional.  You have
:just played the day in the Flighted Open Pairs and have been asked to
:sit in on an appeals committee panel.  This is the hand:
:
:          S: -
:          H: KQJT6
:          D: T82                      Board 11
:          C: Q9432                    None Vul
:                                      Dealer South
:S: 85                S: T9642
:H: 8                 H: 742           South  West   North  East
:D: AKQJ9764          D: 3             ----------------------------
:C: 87                C: AJT6          1S     3S     P      3NT
:                                      X      4D     X      P
:          S: AKQJ73                   P      P
:          H: A953
:          D: 5
:          C: K5
:
:
:The auction started as shown above.  After the 3NT call, the South player
:asked what the 3S bid meant.  East stated that they didn't play too often

Why didn't East send his partner away from the table?

I would conclude that the EW pair did not have a firm agreement.
I would infer that there is a substantial possibility that E
would run if W did not. For the score adjustment portion of the
proceedings it is therefore not clear exactly what would happen
and what the extent of the damage was. Thus the award should be
the standard Average +/-. In addition, ACBL policy these days
would appear to be in favor of a procedural penalty against a
pair that doesn't have their agreements straight and causes a
mess such as the above. Current practice seems to be a 1/4 board
penalty. Somehow a stiffer penalty appears in order here. 

I any case, sincere CONGRATULATIONS to the floor director, who
made a ruling with guts, giving - exactly as he should - the
benefit of the doubt to the non-offending side.
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From: martel@spider.cs.ucdavis.edu (Chip Martel)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: 2C on 2-suiter
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:55:54 GMT
Reply-To: martel@spider.cs.ucdavis.edu (Chip Martel)

In article <16euuuINNpp0@cs.utexas.edu>, varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel) writes:
|> With the discussion of whether to open 2C on a 21 HCP 3-5-0-5,
|> I was struck by a hand from the US team trials.  On
|> 
|> S: K9  H: AKQ82  D: --  C: AKT764
|> 
|> Martel opened 1C and Kaplan opened 2C.  Martel may be closer
|> to the mainstream of American bidding.  This one is only 19
|> HCP, but also only 2 losers.  Kaplan has long advocated more
|> limited opening bids than are usual here.
|> 
|> -- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)

Since I've now been brought into this, I might as well put my two cents in.
I think very few experts would open the
3-5-0-5 21 count with 1H (if an acol two bid is
available many would opt for that instead of 2C). The risk of 1H being passed out
is not trivial, however, the main reason for opening 2C is to convince partner
that there might be a slam even if he has only a couple of key queens. 

There was also a truly silly comment earlier that AKQxxx, AKQxxx, A, - should
open 1S rather than 2C to avoid guessing which suit. All experts would open
this 2C (unless fooling around trying to get doubled). Even if it does go
2C-4C-P-6C you can bid 7C (and correct 7D to 7H) to get partner to choose
the correct major. The aggravation of waiting to see if RHO would balance us
into our grand after 1S-P-P would be too much for me.

With regard to the hand I opened 1C, it is marginal whether or not to open 1C
or 2C. The risk in 1C being passed out is small (note that with only 19 HCP,
and opening the suit below your void it is far more likely someone will bid
than with the 3-5-0-5 hand). Note also that by opening 1C you can hope to show
your 6-5 distribution at the 3H level (1C-1D-2H-2N-3H say), while after opening
2C, your description is at the 4H level (at best). However, by opening 1C 
you are somewhat committed to driving to slam if partner suggests anything
other than a misfitting minimum (If I remember correctly, I was in fourth
seat, so I was willing to assume partner had a little something and that
the opponents did not have too much shape).  Since we ended up getting to
an inferior 6C when partner held: QJxx, x, ATxxxx, Jx, perhpas my plan of
driving to slam was not so sound (however, my expectation of friendly splits
was correct and the slam made).

--Chip Martel
From: tnh@sw.stratus.com (Tim Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Another missed slam
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:36:46 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <102440018@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com>, msl@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Mark Laventhal ) writes:
> Here's another example of missing a good slam:
> 
> 	W(dealer)		E
> 
> 	AK			QJT9x
> 	QJxx			
> 	Qx			AKJxx
> 	KJxxx			Axx
> 
> The bidding:
> 	W	N	E	S
> 	1C	2H	2S	P
> 	3N	P	P	P
> 
> Who should have bid differently? (both?)

East.  His pass would have been fine with QJT9x-xx-AJx-Qxx.

> Should East have bid 3H instead of 2S?

2S seems like the right bid to me.

> What kind of auction would you envision after
> 	1C-2H-??

1C-2H-2S-P-3N-P-4D-4S-P-6S-P-P-P

Tim
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Myerson)
Subject: Bid this monster
Organization: Raytheon Company
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:01:14 GMT

My partner and I were on the receiving end of this gift.

Matchpoints. North. EW Vul.

  N:  xx, T98xx,   KQxx, Kx
  S:  Ax, AKQJxxx, ---,  Axxx

The bidding at our table:
West   North  East   South
       pass   1D-1   1H       1. Precision, < 17 HCP, 3+ diamonds
pass   4H     pass   4N
pass   5C     pass   5H
pass   pass   pass

The ace of diamonds, as expected, is over the KQ, so NS scored +510.
After the hand, South admitted not knowing what to do with her monster.
She said she knew Blackwood was silly, so no flames about that.
She asked us how it should be bid (sure, like we're the local experts - NOT),
so I'm asking for suggestions.
Constructive comments appreciated, and I'll give them to her next Monday.

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)