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From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Subject: Re: Extended play of Paramount's Disc on D701
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:37:04 GMT
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]

> Danny Yang (dyang@mynah.bellcore.com) wrote:

> All the discs I have from Paramount (Godfather I,II,III, Beverly Hills Cop
> I,II, War and Peace) indicate Extended play on the carton.  But my Pioneer
> 701 can't recogize any chapter information from them.  Is this a problem
> of my player?  or a problem of D701?  Can any other player recognize
> chapter information form the above discs?  or any other disc from
> Paramount?

The presence or absence of chapter codes has nothing to do with whether or
not the disc in question is CAV ("Standard Play") or CLV ("Extended Play").
It is unfortunately common for Paramount discs to NOT have chapter codes.

Any of the following disc attributes can be present or absent without
affecting the other attributes:
  CAV vs CLV (must be one or the other)
  Chapter codes vs none (totally optional)
  Digital.and.analog sound vs analog only (digital is totally optional)
  CX analog vs unencoded analog (CX is totally optional)
  Closed Caption subtitles (totally optional)
  Correct vs incorrect white flags, aka CAV logical frame codes.  (white
  flags are required on CAV discs, but are often incorrect)

Table of contents data (secondary DISPLAY info, CAV time code) does have
digital sound as a prerequisite.

Normal time codes have CLV as a prerequisite, but can be one second
(common), or one minute (rare) resolution, without affecting other
attributes.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
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supplied without warranty of any kind.
From: harpel@mitre.org
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Star Wars: LBX vs. P&S.
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:12:56 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA

I'm sorry if this is a FAQ, but I'm considering joining the CHLD club and
taking the Star Wars trilogy as my 3 intro discs.  Are there any differences
between the 2 versions aside from the obvious (P&S vs. LBX), eg. picture
quality, soundtrack quality, etc.?  The date listed for P&S Empire Strikes
Back is 1984 (120 min.), but is 1990 for LBX (124 min.).  Is this significant?

-- 
My opinions are strictly my own and in no way reflect
those of either MITRE or Planning Systems.


Craig Harpel			harpel@mitre.org
Planning Systems, Inc.		linus!mitre.org!harpel
on site contractor at
The MITRE Corporation
7525 Colshire Drive		
McLean, VA 22102
From: jpchou@camelot.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: List your laserdisc titles
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:28:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jpchou@camelot.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: camelot

In article 5fqzz5h@rpi.edu, kimp@nuge102.its.rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:
>And the followings are CLV on letterbox:
>  7. Amadeus: Widescreen Edition

What!!!!  I thought they didn't have a widescreen edition of Amadeus!  Is
this a typo?  If not, can you post more information about this, like
when was it released, how much was it, is it a good transfer, etc?

Jeff



Newsgroups: rec.video
From: fineberg@win31.nas.nasa.gov (Samuel A. Fineberg)
Subject: Re: LD players and CDs
Organization: CSC, NASA Ames Research Center, NAS Division
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 18:59:51 GMT
Reply-To: fineberg@nas.nasa.gov

In article <1992Sep26.183635.3194@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:
|> 
|> 	When LD players play a CD, do they make use of the error
|> correction bits? Thanks,
|> 	-- Ethan
|> 
|> 
|> purgamentum init, exit purgamentum
yes.
From: dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Sony 27" TV Recommendations?
Date: 4 Oct 1992 14:28:58 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: manx.cs.utexas.edu

In article <92Oct03.170549.23765@acs.ucalgary.ca> <wowoc@acs.ucalgary.ca> (Witold Owoc) writes:
>2) In the 27" range, a model 27XBR95S  (XBR squared series) is the best.

Are these out yet? The 32" KV32XBR9(0|5)S? Did Sony fix the 
problems they were having with them? What are their prices?
Thanks,
Doug
From: brucer@gold.gvg.tek.com (Bruce Rayner)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: obsolete battery - what can I do?
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:22:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Sep30.202418.18103@amd.com> dwork@angelo.amd.com (Jeff Dwork) writes:
>I have a Hitachi VM-C50A VHS-C camcorder (this is maybe 5 yrs old).
>I use it intermittantly, so the batteries are having a serious memory
>problem.  My dealer says the batteries are obsolete and he can't get
>new ones.  The batteries are 12v 1700mAH.
>
>What are my options (other than junking the camcorder)?



I'd just cut apart the old batteries and replace the cells.  Sound like
standard C cells, which can be cheap, surplus.  One source I use is 
American design, 800 776-3700.  Ask for their catalog.  I built up
8 batteries for my Sony camcorder at a cost of about $5-10 each. 
For a trip where there was no opportunity to recharge.)

BR
From: oberman@ptavv.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Cable "silver bullets"
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:34:47 GMT

In article <BvCnpz.8pA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:

> You're telling me that you live in a rural area which DOES get cable but
> does NOT have broadcast TV? Isn't that a rather unusual situation? I
> live in a fairly rural area - the city I live in has broadcast TV and
> cable, but the surrounding rural communities do not get cable (but can
> receive the TV broadcasts just fine).

I think we need to teach the young'ens a little history here.

Most everyone has seen cable referred to as CATV, but I guess the meaning has
been lost. Community Antenna TV originated back in the 50s for rural areas with
limited broadcast TV reception. Places like the town I grew up in where you
need a 50 foot mast to get a snowy picture.

Back about the time I was busily being born some smart fellow got the idea of
putting up a BIG antenna on a nearby hill and hooking up the whole town.
Literally a Cummunity Antenna. 

The original systems were cooperatives. Later on they became commercialized. As
a result, when I was old enough to care, I could watch Mighty Mouse at the
neighbors! (My father fixed TVs for a living... He was not about to actually
own one of his own.) At this time cable in cities was unheard of. After all,
there was no MTV, so in a city a pair of rabbit ears was often all that was
needed.

So, you see, LOTS of rural areas are cabled and have been for decades. It's the
city slickers who are new to the cable game.

R. Kevin Oberman			Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Internet: koberman@llnl.gov		(510) 422-6955

Disclaimer: Don't take this too seriously. I just like to improve my typing
and probably don't really know anything useful about anything.
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Mail order place for Pioneer's CLD-D701
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:24:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.BvErCt.4q9
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]

Doug Cha (dcha@flex.com) wrote:

> I ordered my CD changer from them, and they quoted me one price, and 
> wound up charging me $20 more to my credit card!  They know that it's not 
> worth the pain in the ass to bother over $20 across the 50 states (I'm in 
> Hawaii) so I figured that they just screwed me.

Your bank can reverse disputed charges, even well after the merchant has
been paid.  Give the card issuer a call.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599
From: ms@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Maurice Smallwood)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:10:55 GMT
Subject: Re: which camcorder ? Sony TR81 or Canon E65
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.video

I have the TR81, and purchased it for the same reason that you are purchasing.
The colors are exceptional and the camera focuses reasonably fast. The overall
recorded picture is also very good.

I have used the camera for about 2 months and I'm very happy with it.

Maurice
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Colour shift when dubbing from 8mm to VHS
From: brian@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Brian Boutel)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:00:42 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.


Here's the problem:

I make recordings with a Sony 8mm camcorder. Playback from the camcorder to a
monitor is fine. But if I copy from the camcorder onto a VHS tape, and play that
back, the colours have shifted, so that all the blue areas are displaced a few
lines downwards and a similar distance to the left.

I've tried two vcrs, various settings of the edit switch on camcorder and vcrs,
but with no improvement.

What is the cause of this, and how can I avoid it?

--brian

-- 
Internet: brian@comp.vuw.ac.nz
Postal: Brian Boutel, Computer Science Dept, Victoria University of Wellington,
        PO Box 600, Wellington, New Zealand
Phone: +64 4 471-5328   Fax: +64 4 495-5232
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: Joining Columbia House Laser Club
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 04:45:36 GMT

In article <BvnspK.1rp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:

>Your analysis only takes into account the first 5 discs. As time goes
>by, CH becomes less and less of a bargain. CH also has a relatively
>limited selection of discs (no Criterions, for example).
>
>The real conclusion is to join CH, get three expensive discs and 2 $30 discs,
>then quit and buy everything else from Sight & Sound or Ken Crane's.

Well that's what I was gonna do -quit after 3 + 2.  Then they came 
along with the red tag sale.  I got the GOLDEN AGE OF LOONEY TUNES
boxes for 22.5% off list (tax and shipping/handling included) and
that expenditure counted towards my Dividend Dollar account.  So I
ended up with credit to buy more discs at 1/2 price.  I initially
thought they wouldn't have much I wanted (panic... how was I gonna
spend those dividend bucks?) but that hasn't happened.  No problemo :-)

So, as several others have already said: if you are informed and buy
wisely, Columbia House can offer incredible bargains, unbeatable return
policy and about the dumbest salesdroids on the other end of a phone
that I've ever encountered.  If you want knowledge, efficiency, 
speedy service and a guaranteed modest discount (sometimes great in sales)
call Sight & Sound.  Others (like Ken Crane's, Tewksbury, and Laser Craze)
fall somewhere in between -they all have at least 10% off with varying
shipping charges and excellent prices during sales.

And if you live within an hour's drive of a Camelot MegaStore, check
out the $9.98 laserdiscs -some real gems are lurking in the bins.
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Newsgroups: rec.video,alt.3d
From: tlai@cs.toronto.edu (Tony Wen Hsun Lai)
Subject: Re: 3D proposal for the under-construction HDTV standard
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:55:02 GMT

In article <T90534AM.92Sep28153648@cs1.sfc.keio.ac.jp> t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Akira Mito) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.140630.9224@grebyn.com>
>malak@grebyn.com (Michael Malak) writes:
> |My understanding is that 35mm has about 1.5 to 2 times the resolution,
> |on each axis, as HDTV.  Thus the Japanese have already begun work on
> |UDTV (ultra-definition television) to match 35mm resolution.
>
> Both, YES. But, from what I saw, Hi-Vision movie made totally
>through digital equipments is far better than 35mm. It was bright,
>fresh and smooth. BTW, digital Hi-Vision requires 1GB/s. UDTV
>is just a initial experimental stage. No one has seen it.

UDTV is obviously not intended for use in the very near future.  The tubes
and CCDs that are currently built can barely handle HDTV.  The only sources
for UDTV right now are computer-generated images and images transferred
from film.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: chrisp@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Chris Pelkie)
Subject: Source for videotape library cases?
Keywords: Videotape library cases
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:04:10 GMT

I'd like to buy several dozen VHS sized library cases, as much like
those sold with TDK or Maxell Pro tape as possible. The two
features about these cases that are way superior to the cheaper
library cases sold in discount stores are : 1. better locking tabs
2. clear plastic piece on the outside front and spine to hold
a slip-in label. In addition, they don't have off-center
hub "bumps" that prevent you from putting the tape in, 
in any of the four possible orientations.

I know these are available, but the one or two I have
from other sources show no useful info on the manufacturer.
Anyone have a mail-order source for these? Tape World
says theirs don't have the outer clear plastic which I
require. Thanks.

-- 
Chris Pelkie
Scientific Visualization Producer
Cornell Theory Center
Ithaca, NY 14853-3801
chrisp@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Subject: Re: Microsoft Cinemaia
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer)
Organization: The John Fluke Mfg. Co.  /a.k.a. The Gizmonics Institute/
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:31:22 GMT

In <l!lz_td@rpi.edu> kimp@nuge102.its.rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:

>Microsoft Cinemania for Windows CD-ROM ($79) contains reviews by
>Entertainment Tonight's Leonard Maltin, plus thousands of movie clips, MPA
>ratings, awards received, sample sound clips, and more.  It should be out
>soon.

It's out.  I have a brief review of it over in rec.arts.movies.

                           "I will never apologize for the United States of
                            America, ever.  I don't care what the facts are."
                                           -- George Bush
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From: borowski@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Don T. Borowski)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: dodging/filtering interference
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:40:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpspkla.44480004
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.

In rec.video, wpcallah@RWASIC17.AUD.ALCATEL.COM (Paul Callahan) writes:

>I wonder if some one has some ideas about reducing some interference i'm 
>getting on my TV.  The interference is only on some UHF channels , and 
>manifests itself as a vertical line - suggesting it is a constant frequency 
>related to the line rate.
>
>My question is how to reduce this. I have an outside antenna, and I suspect the 
>interference is not due to connection problems, running 300 vs. 75 ohm cables 
>(with the appropriate matching) did not effect the quality of the interference 
>of reception. The cable is short ~15 yards, the antenna is medium quality, 
>having both VHF and UHF elements. If I rotate the antenna, to dodge the 
>interference, I attenuate both the desired signal, and the interference.
>
>I have been following my understanding of the basic rules to maximize 
>reception, highest antenna, shortest lead, and aiming to avoid interference. I 
>have not put effort into looking at resonance.
>
>I know there are some notch filters available, and this seems like a route to 
>go. I think it would be simpler to buy one, and as I remember Radio Shack has 
>some, but I wonder if there are other things I have overlooked, or if there is 
>a better supplier of filters. (that are easy to get - mail order is acceptable, 
>but it is nice to buy something on the way home)

From your description, it sounds like you have a reflection path signal coming
from the same direction as the direct signal.  The vertical line you see is
the horizontal sync, delayed by some microseconds by the reflection.  You
have done all the right things, and there is no filtering you can do which will
help.  Filtering only helps when the undesired signal is on a different 
frequency than the desired signal.  In your case, the frequencies are identical.

The only other suggestions I have is to move the antenna vertically and
horizontally to different locations and see if you can dodge the reflection
this way.  A bit more feed line might be needed, but it would be well worth
it.  Another possibility would be to a very direcitional UHF antenna.  I don't
know if they are still manufactured, but there were UHF antennas made with
a dish-type reflector fabricated from tubing bent into a dish shape.  These
antennas were know for their directionality.  This usually is a help, as
reflections usually come from slightly different angles than the direct
signal.


Donald Borowski    WA6OMI    Hewlett-Packard, Spokane Division
"Angels are able to fly because they take themselves so lightly."
                                       -G.K. Chesterton
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From: davepat@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Dave Patterson)
Newsgroups: rec.video,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Cable TV bill (was Re: Cable "silver bullets")
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:53:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video

In article <35396@cbmvax.commodore.com>, raible@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Raible - LSI Design) writes:
> In article <1992Sep24.205518.15590@ttinews.tti.com> sorgatz@avatar.tti.com (sorgatz) writes:
>> One point that you missed: The bill calls for a regulated-access to 
>> the market by the cable companies which includes provisions to yank 
>> the franchise on any company that refuses to carry the nominal vhf/uhf 
>> network programming! This whole thing was cooked up by the existing 
>> broadcast industry to guarantee them a slice of the cable tv income. 
>> ... 
>> My answer: CANCEL THE CABLE! REFUSE TO WATCH THE SHOWS OFF THE AIR! 
>> WRITE THE SPONSORS and remind them that you will NOT BUY their 
>> products because they are sponsoring such garbage!

> ... Perhaps the cable cos. will be allowed to excise the network 
> commercials and substitute their own! I don't know how this is going
> to shake out, but I believe we're going to have to deal with it as 
> consumers since a presidential veto will probably be overridden.

Maybe this is a bit naive, but why not forget 'em all, and get a 
satellite dish?

-Dave Patterson

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From: sudesh@utkal.njit.edu (T. J. Sudesh)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: SLV 696HF V/S PV 4210
Keywords: MAKE UP MY MIND....
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:47:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: njitgw.1992Sep30.184709.17302
Organization: N.J.I.T


 Hi there,
	     How does the sony set compare itself to PV 4210, which incidently
is the same as PV 4201, except for the real counter ? I would not be doing any
"Hi-tech" editing.I would however want the best picture clarity and audio clarity.
Recording should also match its playback ( in quality ).I could never compare
the two under identical conditions.Price wise the former seems to be more
forbidding, but if thats the price that one has to pay for "better" performance
,so be it.
		Thankx in advance...
							warm regards,
								sudesh.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: emartins@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Eduardo Martins)
Subject: Re: Sony MDP-333 drawer opening problems
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:41:07 GMT

This is a well-known problem with the MDP-333's. I took mine to the dealer
I bought it from and it was fixed, under warranty.

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From: teoallan@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Allan TEO)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 01:36:51 GMT
Subject: Mods for JVC S-VHS decks to record SVHS on vhs
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: CCD-V801 - What's So Great About It?
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:22:42 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <BvEDBv.HF2@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
> 
> Can someone give me brief rundown on the Sony V801 and explain why it's
> so popular and hard to come by? I know it has built-in time code, but
> what else does it offer? Even though they're now discontinued, there
> seems to be quite a few people snapping these babies up (and paying
> $1350+ for the privilege). What's all the excitement about?
> 
> Thanks!

It is one of only two Sony units that playback RC timecode.  The other unit is 
the CVD-1000 VISCA VCR.  It also has just about every feature but multi-chip 
sensors, TBC, or Steadyshot.  It has nice clean playback including slo-mo...


-- 

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From: dcha@flex.com (Doug Cha)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Mail order place for Pioneer's CLD-D701
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 08:26:04 HST
Organization: Flex Information Network [Hawaii] 808.531.3539

es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:

> In article <97122@bu.edu> kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
> >
> >Does anyone care to make recommendations for a mail order house
> >for this LD player.  I've been checking out the ads in _Stereo 
> >Review_, but would glady check out places not listed there. Or,
> >if someone has an overwelming opinion (either for or against)
> >on a specific mail order place, I'd be glad to here about that.
> >Currently, 6th Ave Electronics has the best deal, and since they
> >are an `authorized' Pioneer dealer, I figure they probably will
> >have better customer service.
> >
> 	I wouldn't believe that 6th Ave. is `authorized', at
> least not just cause they tell you. They are pretty well known
> for being very slimy. There are many complaints in NYC about
> their tactics.
> 
> 	While I'm not making an overwhelming recommendation for
> them, New West Electronics got me my D701 for $740 without
> hassle. 800 488-8877.
> 	-- Ethan
> 
> 
> purgamentum init, exit purgamentum

I agree that 6th Avenue is pretty slimey.  

I ordered my CD changer from them, and they quoted me one price, and 
wound up charging me $20 more to my credit card!  They know that it's not 
worth the pain in the ass to bother over $20 across the 50 states (I'm in 
Hawaii) so I figured that they just screwed me.

    +------------------------------+
    |  Doug Cha    dcha@flex.com    --------+            ..Neo-Jion..
    +- GE:D.Cha1   dougc@musubi.pubnet.com   --------+      .H.Q.
      ---------+   doug_cha-uhmanoa@uhplato.bitnet    --------+
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