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From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: Elvis in HotDogMobile!!!
Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:08:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.223246.7467@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Adam Edwards) writes:
>I saw something very interesting this afternoon on campus.
>An Oscar Meyer Mobile pulled up in front of a dorm! 
>Has anyone ever seen one for real, or is it just the fact that
>I'm a young'n and wouldn't remember such a thing from the past?
>I do remember a car magazine article roadtesting one of these
>however.  Sounds like excellent group transportation!
>
>Adam
>awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
The Oscar Meyer wiener mobile  Whoa!  I used to see it at grocery store grand openings and such when I was a kid in southern Calif.
 The Oscar Meyer wiener mobile whoa!  Used to see it at grocery store grand openings and such when I was a kid in southern Calif./km>
>-- 
>		'Fast...
>				...what to drive '
From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Can't find any Lotus Espirit SEs.....
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:12:28 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1gitohINN4fv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cew6@po.CWRU.Edu (Carlin E. Wiegner) writes:
>
>If you have seen any Lotus cars (other than in DuPont) please
>email me where. My father and I would like to buy two and can't
>find any newer then '85....Cleveland Plain Dealer is not the 
>preferred advirtising spot for these cars! Thanks for the tips!
>:-)
>CW


--Just look in AutoWeek magazine in the classified section.  Don't expect to
  find AutoWeek at your neighborhood supermarket.  You'll have to go to a
  good book store to find it.  I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for.

--Aamir Qazi

-- 

Aamir Qazi
qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How to fight AAA?
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:19:50 GMT
Organization: Chevron


 I have State Farm also.  I called my agent and he said that
 if you can't work it out with the other guy and his insurance
 company, you can file under your State Farm policy and then
 they'll go after the other guy to recover costs.


 TRAVIS
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: msells@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Marty Sells)
Subject: Re: Stickers and Decals
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:36:07 GMT

In article <184516@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <Byq74J.I0t@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>>
>>	Aren't most cop-groups for gun control and obviously against the NRA?
>>One good thing that they do...
>>
>   There are cop-groups that espouse gun control, but most working
>   troops are supporters of the NRA..and many are members.  Veterans
>   organization stickers, etc. can also get you a bit of slack, but
>   none works as well as a badge.

I'm in Canada so I'm not up on all US police stuff. Correct me where
I go wrong.

I've heard of a 'get out of a ticket' card that was refered to as a PBA
card (Police Benevolence Association). A friend mentioned that a friend
of his has one since his dad is involved with the police in some way
(I gather they are mostly for relatives/*VERY* good friends etc.).

Also I know someone who teaches motorcycle safety and was pulled over and
got treated like trash until the officer noticed that he had a Blue Knights
sticker on his windshield. Blue Knights is a motorcycle group that only 
(to my VERY limited knowledge) allows police officers to join. My friend
was not a PO but rides with POs  and helps them with their bikes.
 
Marty
From: dfr@usna.navy.mil (PROF D. Rogers (EAS FAC))
Newsgroups: rec.aviation
Subject: Re: Buying planes and training in them
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:36:39 GMT
Organization: U. S. Naval Academy

In article <1992Dec13.145636.20671@yang.earlham.edu> alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu writes:
!Some friends of mine and I are thinking of buying my dad's '45 Navion.  One of
!the guys already has a license, and the other three of us start ground school
!in January.  The guy that has a license pretty much thinks we shouldn't use the
!Navion to get our license because it will be hard on the plane.  However, one
!of the main reasons for buying a plane in the first place is to help with the
!cost of getting a license.  Around here it is $3000 with instruction and a
!plane, and $1000 if you have your own plane.  With three people, that adds up
!(even if we do "rent" the plane to ourselves...)  What are other people's
!feelings on this?

Use the airplane. In the long run it will cause less wear and tear
on the airplane because you will know the airplane very well
after you get your license rather than having to repeat all the
maneuvers to become familiar with the aircraft during transition.

I used my C172 to get my instrument rating and my son used the
Bonanza to finish-up his Private.

Dave Rogers

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
From: BCLEWIS@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Brian Lewis)
Subject: Re: CFI Practice
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:59:18 GMT

Suggest you get an intercom with "Tape Output."  Then go flying with your
CFI, and teach him the maneuvers.  Listening to the tape after the flight
can be very instructional -- how you came across, what you might have
explained better or differently, how well you could explain while flying.
(Let your instructor handle the tape recorder, the "Pause" button, etc.
You do the flying and the teaching.)
 
I'm sure it varies by FSDO (a lot), but around here, the CFI test is
mostly an oral.  If you survive the oral (many people don't on the first
try -- don't get discouraged) the flying part is relatively easy.
 
When I took mine, the inspector was cool.  After a 5-hour oral, and lunch,
it was time to fly.  As I went out to pre-flight the plane, he said, "The
word is 'pre-flight,' not '100-hour.'  It's remarkable how a comment like
that can put you at ease.
 
Brian
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From: paulf@ci.deere.com (Paul A. Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: How do I get into the ATC Tower?
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:45:36 GMT
Followup-To: rec.aviation.student

geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.022619.4197@athena.mit.edu> ngupta@mtl.mit.edu
>(Nitin Gupta) asks how one may go and visit a tower.
...
>At smaller airports with towers, you'll often find that the controllers are
>positively delighted to have company, and your expected 15-minute visit
>may well turn into several hours!

I agree!  Several times I have been weathered in somewhere and just 'stopped
by' and asked if I could come up and take a tour.  Usually if you explain you
are a pilot, they are more than happy to show you around.  Sometimes they are
concerned about the workload, but I just explain that I just want to watch,
so they don't feel the need to give me a 'tour'.  In all cases, as Geoff said
I usually end up spending alot longer than I had planned.

It is well worth asking - the worst thing they can do is say no.  And so far,
they've never said that to me!


--
Paul A. Fisher                       paulf@ci.deere.com
Network Software, W3LSW              ...uunet!deere!paulf
John Deere Road                      (309) 765-4547
Moline, Illinois 61265
From: phil@pex.eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
Subject: Re: How do I get into the ATC Tower?
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:48:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.1992Dec19.154813.20208
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

In article <paulf.724542336@dud> paulf@ci.deere.com (Paul A. Fisher) writes:
>It is well worth asking - the worst thing they can do is say no.  And so far,
>they've never said that to me!

Fullerton said no to Berry Kercehval and me and a pilot wannabee.  But
that might have been because there was only one controller there and
she was 5 minutes away from closing the tower :-)  (Guess we should have
read the A/FD before asking! :-) )

Seriously, it's too bad we didn't ask sooner.  We had been sitting in
Berry's Musketeer for about 20 to 30 minutes just showing it off and
listening to tower.  Then we hit on the great idea to take our wannabee
up to the tower, but we didn't think of it in time.......oh well.

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
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From: mparker@adobe.com (Mike Parker)
Subject: Re: How do I get into the ATC Tower?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:59:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.060117.20453@peck.com> geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.022619.4197@athena.mit.edu> ngupta@mtl.mit.edu
>(Nitin Gupta) asks how one may go and visit a tower.
>
>Quite simply, look them up in the telephone book (!) and call during

Yeo, they're there.  I would add that if you don't have the phone book
for the city you will be visiting, can't get a directory information person
that can figure it out, or just want to be lazy, you can call 1-800-WX-BRIEF
they seem to have a ready database of Center, Tracon, and tower telephone
numbers and are always happy to be helpful.

Oh, that reminds me anybody that hasn't been in a real FAA flight service
station for a weather briefing will find it every bit as interesting
as a tower tour.

mike



Organization: Naval Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: clyde@hitech.com.au (Clyde Smith-Stubbs)
Subject: Re: How do I get into the ATC Tower?
Organization: HI-TECH Software, Brisbane, QLD, Australia.
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 11:36:40 GMT

ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta) writes:


>Can I just call and ask, provided I had the number.

It never hurts to call and ask - the worst anybody can do is say no!

(But in the case of ATC they should welcome visitors, with prior arrangement).

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From: zwork@starfighter.den.mmc.com (Michael Corvin)
Subject: Re: Copilot course
Keywords: copilot, survivor course
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:14:44 GMT

In article <921218105446@AltaHopa.ftp.com>, plummer@vax  (William W. Plummer) writes:
|> I have heard that some schools offer a short course for "copilots".
|> Should I have a heart attack while flying, I would like my companion
|> to have enough knowledge to use the find her way to a landing strip,
|> use the radio and land.  Is there any formal course like this?   --Bill
|> 
|> --
|> William W. Plummer, N1NGK	plummer@ftp.com	  --->	508-659-6281
|> FTP Software, Inc.		2 High Street		N. Andover MA 01845
|> 
|> 

You might check with your local chapter of the Ninety-Nines.  Here in
Denver they give a one day "pinch-hitter" course every now and then.  It
is a one day affair, consisting of a classroom session followed by a flight
with an instructor.  It focuses on the basics of communicating and getting
the plane down safely.  You might check with AOPA and EAA for other leads.
Alternatively, you could sit down with a good instructor and work out a
basic syllabus for a one-day 'private' course of book work and flying
for your flying companion.

I can't recall specific instances, but I believe that it has happened
that "pinch hitters" have safely landed planes following pilot incapacitation.
I'm sure that they have a much higher probability of success than would
a person without the benefit of such training, although instances of
successful "talk downs" have occurred with completely untrained people.

Repeating such a course. or at least going for a flight with an instructor,
periodically would be a good idea.

I know of a few cases around here where spouses who took the pinch hitter
course got interested enough to go on to PP-ASEL.

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Michael Corvin 	      PP-ASEL, PP-G		zwork@starfighter.den.mmc.com
just another spaced rocket scientist at    Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
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===============    My views, not Martin Marietta's   ========================
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From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: How do I get into the ATC Tower?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:43:50 GMT

ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta) writes:


>I go to BOS field every couple weeks with my scanner to listen and learn.  
>It would be a very educational experience to visit the Tower and see how  
>air traffic is managed. The question is, how can I get up there? Are  
>visitors even allowed? Can I just call and ask, provided I had the number.

They are very receptive to General Aviation pilot visits, since they hope
you will learn something that will be usefull in the air.  While I'm not
saying you should pretend to be a pilot, I'm not sure if they allow the
"general public" in.  Call the tower (# is in the phone book) and ask about
a visit.  They'll tell you the best time for them  (when they're not busy).
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
From: plummer@vax  (William W. Plummer)
Subject: Copilot course
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Keywords: copilot, survivor course
Reply-To: plummer@babyoil.ftp.com
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:54:46

I have heard that some schools offer a short course for "copilots".
Should I have a heart attack while flying, I would like my companion
to have enough knowledge to use the find her way to a landing strip,
use the radio and land.  Is there any formal course like this?   --Bill

--
William W. Plummer, N1NGK	plummer@ftp.com	  --->	508-659-6281
FTP Software, Inc.		2 High Street		N. Andover MA 01845


Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.misc
From: ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta)
Subject: How do I get into the ATC Tower?
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:26:19 GMT


I go to BOS field every couple weeks with my scanner to listen and learn.  
It would be a very educational experience to visit the Tower and see how  
air traffic is managed. The question is, how can I get up there? Are  
visitors even allowed? Can I just call and ask, provided I had the number.

Please post or respond directly. All responses are greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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From: sgavian@amy5.stanford.edu (Sarah Gavian)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
Subject: CFI Practice
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:26:06 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: amy5.stanford.edu

Do you need a study partner for the CFI exam?

I am currently preparing for the FAA CFI (Certificated Flight Instructor)  
practical exam and would like to practice by staging mock exams with  
someone else also studying for the same exam.  We could take turns  
"teaching" and "learning" to sharpen our respective skills.


If interested, call me, Omar Saibou, at (415) 323-7632  or
e-mail my wife at this account.
From: ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
Subject: Re: Copilot course
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:00:11 GMT
Organization: BDS Systems
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.bds.com
Keywords: copilot, survivor course

The course is generally called a "pinch hitter" course.  I think the AOPA
may have some info on it if you can't find an instructor locally who is familiar
with these.  (800-USA-AOPA).

-Ron
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From: rex@eng.umd.edu (Rex Root)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: How do I get into the ATC Tower?
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:07:13 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <BzCu52.7n5@encore.com> mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:
>ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta) writes:
>
>
>>I go to BOS field every couple weeks with my scanner to listen and learn.  
>>It would be a very educational experience to visit the Tower and see how  
>>air traffic is managed. The question is, how can I get up there? Are  
>>visitors even allowed? Can I just call and ask, provided I had the number.
>
>They are very receptive to General Aviation pilot visits, since they hope
>you will learn something that will be usefull in the air.  While I'm not
>saying you should pretend to be a pilot, I'm not sure if they allow the
>"general public" in.  Call the tower (# is in the phone book) and ask about
>a visit.  They'll tell you the best time for them  (when they're not busy).

Local flying clubs or groups often host ATC tower visits .. You may want
to try to locate a group and join in on the next visit if the tower is not
too receptive to "general public" requests.

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   Rex L. Root Jr.  PP-ASEL-G              "I only fly inverted on purpose."   
   Electrical Engineering Dept.
   University of Maryland                               ()   ()
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   e-mail: rex@eng.umd.edu                            |   ( )   |
   voice: (301) 405-3688                         ---------------------
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From: dls@freedom.genrad.com (Diana L. Carlson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: How do I get into the ATC Tower?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 07:10:32 -0500
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: freedom.genrad.com

In article <1992Dec16.022619.4197@athena.mit.edu> ngupta@mtl.mit.edu (Nitin Gupta) writes:
>
>I go to BOS field every couple weeks with my scanner to listen and learn.  
>It would be a very educational experience to visit the Tower and see how  
>air traffic is managed. The question is, how can I get up there? Are  
>visitors even allowed? Can I just call and ask, provided I had the number.

I've been up to BOSton Tower twice in the past 3 months.  They are actually
quite agreeable to aviation visitors, however, don't even think about going
during a busy period.  A good time to visit is Sunday just about all day 
long.  We have taken them some pictures (in fact, if you go, look at the 
picture on the left wall, just before you turn right to get to the stairs
for the tower, after going thru the first locked door....we gave them that
picture of the "Tall Ships going past Logan").  They like cookies too :-).
Best is to call the tower BEFORE going and ask if it is a good time to visit.
Then, hop in your car, park in the main garage by the tower (as you enter
the garage, there's a sign that points straight ahead to Tower).  Take the
elevator to the (I think) 17th (top) floor.  There's a phone there to call
tower, who will buzz the door open.  Walk about 50 feet down hall (check out
the picture to your left!), the door to tower stairs is on your right about
half way down the hall (NOT all the way down! You went too far!).  Walk to
top of stairs  (puff, puff!) and buzz them again, up the final set of stairs,
and voila! you're in!

And do have fun, it's a great place to visit.  While you're there, you might
ask them if you can go down to Approach Control also.  One of the guys (gals)
will lead you down to the correct door and buzz you in.  There are generally
4-5 people there at all times.  We did that the last time we were there, and 
got to meet the controller that we spoke to most when leaving Hanscom Field.

CHEERS!

Diana



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From: geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck)
Subject: Re: How do I get into the ATC Tower?
Organization: Geoffrey G. Peck, Consultant, San Jose CA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:01:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.022619.4197@athena.mit.edu> ngupta@mtl.mit.edu
(Nitin Gupta) asks how one may go and visit a tower.

Quite simply, look them up in the telephone book (!) and call during
normal business hours.  Just about all towers, including those at
busy international airports, will be glad to accomodate you for a tour,
particularly if you are a pilot or even a pilot-wannabee.  You'll find
towers listed under U.S. Government, Federal Aviation Administration.

At smaller airports with towers, you'll often find that the controllers are
positively delighted to have company, and your expected 15-minute visit
may well turn into several hours!

						Geoff
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:24:27 EST
From: <VPN1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
Subject: military cfi

I've just read Rob Frasca's post and it's remarkable how much my own
experience corresponds with his, because I probably went through navy flight
training before Rob was born: I reached Pensacola in June 1949 and got my
wings in Feb.  1951.  We flew SNJ's at Pensacola then, and I never flew a
jet, but it seems nothing has changed.  I, too, had a private license before
going to Pensacola, and my civilian instructor had been a marine fighter
pilot, so I got the same dogma from him as in navy training.  As the French
say (although I can't spell it in French), the more things change, the more
they stay the same.  At least in naval aviation.
                          regards,   vince norris,  penn state u.
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From: changhs@porsche.crd.ge.com (H S Chang)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.ifr,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: How do I get into the ATC Tower?
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:27:34 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

Well, does anyone know if the Canadians are following something
different?  Last September I had a negative experience with the
Toronto tower people:  I called them a couple of days ago to 
arrange a visit.  But when I got there (that was a Sunday morning)
I was told by the gate guard that I couldn't go up there (after
he called up to speak with the "shift supervisor") and they don't
give tours to (student) pilots.  Furthermore, when I mentioned that
I had an appointment made with the shift supervisor on duty the day
I called, they said they'd never heard of such a name.  Are there
two different Toronto Internationals?  I know I can land on Toronto
Island, but I thought it'd be cool to see big time operation at 
the Toronto International and flying between Schenectady NY and 
Toronto was what I'd be doing most often after I got my wings.
Looks like I'll have to stay away from them then.  What a bummer!

Hsuan Chang, student pilot 
changhs@crd.ge.com

P.S. Yes, I have been up to the Albany and Schenectady Towers,
and they were very nice.