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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:31:58 -0500
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      NEWS/VN: Human rights group asks fair trial for Ly Tong

11/10

HUMAN RIGHTS GROUP ASKS FAIR TRIAL ON HIJACK

    PARIS, Nov 10, Reuter - The France-based International Federation of Human
Rights called on Tuesday for a fair trial for a Vietnamese-born naturalised
U.S.  citizen who goes on trial this week for hijacking a Vietnamese plane.
    Former South Vietnamese air force pilot Ly Tong, who parachuted near Ho Chi
Minh City on September 4 after hijacking a Vietnam Airlines plane from whose
cockpit he dropped leaflets urging people to overthrow the Communist
government, faces the death sentence if convicted, an official Vietnamese
newspaper reported on Monday.
    The FIDH called on Vietnamese authorities "to respect fundamental rights
and allow Ly Tong a fair and public hearing before an independent and impartial
court."
    The FIDH said in a press statement that it asked Vietnamese authorities to
allow foreign observers at the trial and that it was ready to send its own
delegates to the hearing.
    The group, which monitors human rights violations by both right-wing and
leftist regimes, said its request was because of the "haste of recent trials
leading to unjustifiably heavy sentences conducted in Vietnam against religious
personalities and human rights militants.
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:35:00 +8
From:         ISROBERT@CPHKVX.BITNET
Subject:      VN: Hong Kong

This is just a brief update to say that there currently remain just over
45,000 Vietnamese refugees in Hong Kong. Furthermore, over 10,000 have
returned voluntarily this year. I do not have statistics to hand on how
many have been forcibly repatriated. So far this year, just 12 refugees
have arrived. Recently a boat did come into Hong Kong waters, but after
humanitarian aid was provided - refuelling and provisions - the boat
continued on its journey, to Japan?

Robert ISROBERT@CPHKVX.BITNET
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:21:38 EST
From:         pang <601664@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Malaysian Students Association (fwd)

hi there:

         i am a malaysian from Sabah, but i am studying in canada..:)
 i am also the vice-president of the malaysia student Assc. here in
U of Ottawa..:).

         nice hearing from you ...:) !
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:56:07 -0500
From:         cameronb@CC.SNOW.EDU
Subject: Re: US-Vietnam Normalization

I'm deeply suspicious of the motives of people who argue most srtongly for
normalization of relations with Vietnam.  It doesn't take much cynicism to
recognize a certain amount of self-interest in the artguments.  The fact
probably is that normalization of relations would probably be a whole bunch
better for foreigners who want to do business in Vietnam than the bulk of
the Vietnamese themselves.  (Woa!  Look at that vast, untapped market!!)

As far as bringing the Vietnamese to the light with Lay's potato chips as
bait, I doubt that would work.  I don't think trickle-down democracy will
work any better than trickle-down economics has.

I don't want relations normalized because I don't believe in doing business
with people with whom I so strongly disagree.  I wouldn't shop in stores
that abused their employees and customers; I see no reason for doing
business with a country that abuses (I'm aware of the weakness of that term
in the circumstances) its citizens.
Cameron J. Beatty
English as a Second Language
Snow College
Ephraim, UT  84627
(801) 283-4021 x650

internet:  cameronb@cc.snow.edu
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:47:26 -0500
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      CAM: Japan, Thailand end talks with Khmer Rouge

11/05

Japan, Thailand end talks with Khmer Rouge

   UNITED NATIONS (UPI) -- Japan and Thailand have informed Secretary- General
Boutros Ghali that they had ended negotiations with the Khmer Rouge to try to
break the impasse in the peace process in Cambodia, diplomats said Thursday.
   The two countries, assigned by the Security Council to conduct the talks
with the Khmer Rouge, said in a report submitted to Ghali last week that the
"tripartite consultations was no longer the appropriate means to address the
impasse in the peace process."
   The Thai and Japanese ambassadors to the United Nations met with Ghali
Thursday to discuss situation in Cambodia, the diplomats said. No details of
their talks were available.
   The two countries said in the report that the negotiations, which began in
July in Bangkok and the last round of which were held in Phnom Penh last
Saturday, did not break any new grounds.
   They said the Khmer Rouge had made demands that were not possible for them
to find remedies, particularly those that were beyond the provisions of the
Paris agreements.
   They said the Khmer Rouge insisted on demanding the verification of the
complete withdrawal of Vietnam from Cambodia and on strengthening the Supreme
National Council, the sovereign body that now governs the country. But they
said the Khmer Rouge refused to discuss suggestions that would answer those
demands and "backtracked" to stands raised earlier in the negotiations.
   The report urged the completion of the United Nations' peace timetable in
Cambodia, which should finish with general elections in May 1993. The U.N.
Transitional Authority in Cambodia is currently registering voters for the
coming elections.
   The Khmer Rouge refused to take part in the Paris agreements' second phase,
that of the disarmament and cantonment of soldiers of all four factions,
dealing a setback to the whole peace process. Phase two began June 13 with
only the factions of Prince Norodom Sihanouk and Son Sann, and the Phnom Penh
government participating.
   The diplomats, who asked not to be identified, said U.N. officials were
worried that the peace process would collapse unless the Khmer Rouge rejoin it.
They said several measures had been discussed to force that Communist faction
to abide by the agreements, including economic sanctions.
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Subject: Re: Vietnam Update - Science
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:59:41 GMT
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>> The third successive annual Vietnam Update wassuccessfully held at The
>> Australian National University on 5th and 6th November.
>
>> November 5, AUSTRALIAN COMMITTEE FOR SCIENTIFIC COOPERATION WITH VIETNAM
>
>>    <<<<<< Program guide deleted >>>>>>

>       Mr Thayer is certainly correct when he says that the Vietnamese people
>have every right to make contact with the outside world.  The illegitimate
>Hanoi regime, however, has no such right.  What Mr. Thayer must understand is
>that when he speaks with Hanoi's representatives at meetings such as the one
>mentioned above, he is not speaking to the people of Vietnam.  That regime
>stands in the way of the Vietnamese people's access to the outside world, as
>well as obstructing the people's other rights.  The Vietnamese people will
>only be able to excercise their rights and realize their true potential when
>the Hanoi regime joins it's East European and Soviet comrades on the ash heap
>of history.
>
>
>                                    Max Becherer
>
To members of SEASIA-List: one of the representative to attend the Vietnam
Update was Mme. Ngo Ba Thanh, who was never a member of the Vietnam
Communist Party and who was active in the Third Force to oppose the regime
of Nguyen Van Thieu. Mrs. Thanh held a seat in the previous National
Assembly (1987-92) and lost in the April 1992 elections, one of only three
central level incumbents to do so. The day after the electin she went on
air with the BBC to state her grievances and tocharge fraud. I raised 'the
case of Ngo Ba Thanh' in my presentation and she deviated from her prepared
remarks to discuss this question. Five years ago it would have been
inconceivable for the authorities to have let her out of the country.She is
a Vietnamese, she lives in Vietnam, she is not a party member, she holds a
degree in comparative international law from Columbia University in New
York. She is now devoting herself to NGO work in Vietnam. I thinkshe has
good credentials to speak about Vietnam. No single Vietnamese can claim the
right to speak for all.

Carl Thayer



Carlyle A. Thayer
Associate Professor & Visiting Fellow
Dept. of Political and Social Change
Research School of Pacific Studies
The Australian National University
GPO Box 4
Canberra, ACT 2601 Australia

Phone: 0011 61 6 249 4453 office; 0011 61 6 251 1849 home
Fax 0011 61 6 257 1893 office; 0011 61 6 251 3749 home
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:10:00 -0500
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      NEWS/VN: 1st hijacker may face death

11/09

VIETNAM'S FIRST HIJACKER MAY FACE DEATH

    HANOI, Nov 9, Reuter - A former South Vietnamese air force pilot who
hijacked an airliner to drop anti-government leaflets over Ho Chi Minh City
goes on trial next week and faces the death sentence if convicted, an official
newspaper reported on Monday.
    Ly Tong, a Vietnamese-born naturalised U.S. citizen, was captured on
September 4 after he hijacked a Vietnam Airlines plane and dropped leaflets
from the cockpit urging people to overthrow the government.
    No one on the plane was hurt and he was quickly captured on the outskirts
of Ho Chi Minh City after parachuting out.
    Tong was first captured in 1975 before the Communists defeated the
U.S.-backed South Vietnamese government. He escaped in 1980 from a re-education
camp and travelled 2,500 km (1,600 miles) across Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia
and Singapore before being resettled in the United States.
    He will be charged with hijacking and attempting to overthrow the
government, the newspaper said. The case is scheduled for November 12 and 13.
    "This case has an extraordinarily serious charactor and has attracted
attention from both domestic and external public opinion...both charges bear
the maximum punishment -- the death sentence," Lao Dong Chu Nhat newspaper
quoted Nguyen Quang Thanh, deputy head of the People's Supreme Court, as saying.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:39:48 -0500
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      CAM: Journalist remains flown back to Cambodia

11/06

JOURNALISTS REMAINS FLOWN BACK TO CAMBODIA

    PHNOM PENH, Nov 6, Reuter - A U.S. military aircraft on Friday flew the
remains of three television journalists back to Cambodia, where they were
believed to have been killed by Khmer Rouge guerrillas 22 years ago.
    U.S. Army specialists, helped by Cambodian villagers, found the skeletons
of four men beside an irrigation canal in the southern province of Kandal in
March.
    The remains were taken to U.S. Army forensic laboratories in Hawaii where
it was determined that three of the skeletons were of French cameraman Roger
Colne and Japanese television journalists Yoshihiko Waku and Kojiro Sakai,
said U.S.  Captain Jim Rice.
    Rice said he was not sure if the fourth set of remains had been identified.
    The remains were returned from Hawaii so they could be formally handed over
by the Phnom Penh government to French and Japanese diplomats at a ceremony on
Monday, diplomats said.
    Rice heads a U.S. mission in Phnom Penh set up to account for more than 80
U.S. servicemen and civilians still listed as missing in Cambodia from the
Vietnam War, which ended in 1975.
    The three journalists were among a group of five working for the American
networks CBS and NBC. They disappeared on May 31, 1970, after travelling in a
convoy south of Phnom Penh to investigate reports of fighting in the area.
    According to U.S. accounts, the lead car was destroyed by rocket grenades
and all its occupants killed instantly. The passengers in the second car were
captured by Viet Cong and Khmer Rouge guerrillas, held for one night in a
village then executed in the morning.
    One of the two other missing journalists was American, the other Japanese.
    U.S. servicemen took the remains from the transport plane and placed them
on a hearse in a simple ceremony at Phnom Penh's Pochentong Airport.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:54:56 EST
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Chuan ambivalent about governor election

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:14:33+0700
From: Kamol Hengkietisak <kamol@ipied.tu.ac.th>


PRIME Minister Chuan Leekpai confirmed yesterday that his
Government would not mind having provincial governors elected
instead of appointed and a committee under the Interior Ministry
is studying the issue.

The results of the study will be taken into consideration, Mr
Chuan said.

The Prime Minister also said that individual politicians may
express different viewpoints on the issue which means the
Government will soon have to adopt a certain policy.

However, the Premier declined u  comment on the Palang Dharma
Party's plan to propose the election of provincial governors to
Parliament.

Mr Chuan also declined to comment on whether such a move by a
member of the coalition would break political etiquette.

Deputy House Speaker Thawil Praison said the PDP bill seeking the
election of provincial governors would need approval by the
Premier or the Cabinet before it could be submitted to Parliament.

Mr Thawil, also a PDP MP, said the bill concerns tax collection
and expenditure -- a financial matter which has to be endorsed by
the Premier before it can be considered by Parliament.

This makes it impossible for PDP to push for the legislation
without endorsement from the Premier or the Cabinet, he said.

The PDP on Sunday decided to submit its bill to the Coalition
Coordinating Committee.

Mr Thawil said he has been assigned to draft the bill which is
expected to be completed on Friday.

The bill will specify criteria for the "readiness" of provinces
where governors are to be elected.

If any province meets the criteria, then a royal decree will be
issued to streamline the election of the governor, he said.

He said, the Government, meanwhile, should have a committee study
the criteria, regarding tax and budget affairs of the respective
provinces.
From: coopera@UCS.ORST.EDU ((Alan Cooper))
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Subject: ASEANET
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:33:57 GMT
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Is anyone familar with ASEANET, an on-line service for SEA trade info?
I would appreciate any info on what this is, how it is accessed, etc.

Thanks.

Alan S. Cooper
coopera@ucs.orst.edu
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:54:00 GMT
From:         "Vietnam Publications" <0004741206@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      VN Price Weekly No. 27 (1992)

VN Price Weekly, No. 27 (1992)
Copyright (c) 1992 by Vietnam Publications (email: vinexco@mcimail.com)

Prices in Ho Chi Minh City, Hanoi, Da Nang, Can Tho as of November 07, 1992:


         Notes: "0", "+", "-", "unchanged", difference since
                previous VN Price Weekly report, in parentheses.
         All suggestions for improvement are welcome.

1. US Dollar:
   ForEx HCM: buy 10,865 dong/US (-15) since 11/06/92.

   Vietcombank (buy/sell):
           HCM         HANOI        DANANG       CANTHO
   ----------------------------------------------------------
    11/07 10780/10865  10730/10865  10730/10870  10790/10870
           (-30/-35)    (-10/-35)    (-60/-10)    (-20/-40)

   Market (buy/sell):
           HCM         HANOI        DANANG       CANTHO
   ----------------------------------------------------------
   11/07 10790/10810  10800/10820  10800/10830  10780/10800
           (-30/-30)    (+25/+15)     (0/0)      (-30/-30)

   Vinexco NY exchange rate (dong/US dollar):
           HCM     HANOI   DANANG   NHATRANG   CANTHO
   ----------------------------------------------------
    11/07  10825   10700   10750    10750      10800
           (-15)     (0)    (0)     (-50)       (0)

2. Other currencies at Vietcombank (buy/sell):

          Swiss Franc   French Franc   Deutsch Mark
   --------------------------------------------------
    11/07  7360/7743     1951/2053      6601/6945
          (-236/-228)    (-49/-72)     (-174/-153)

3. Gold:
   State (Gold 99% Au, retailed buy/sell in thousand dongs per 1/10th tael):
           HCM       HANOI     DANANG    CANTHO
   -----------------------------------------------
    11/07  444/454   454/466   457/466   442/448
           (-6/-6)   (-2/-2)   (-4/-4)   (-3/-2)

   Market (Gold 99% Au, buy/sell in thousand dongs per 1/10th tael):
           HCM       HANOI     DANANG    CANTHO
   -----------------------------------------------
    11/07  448/453   450/455   447/456   442/450
           (-7/-7)    (0/-1)   (-3/-2)    (0/0)

4. Other prices in HCM City (unchanged except for cement)

   Average rice            d 2,100 / kg [ga.o te? thu*o*!ng]
   Pork [ham]              d21,000 / kg [thi.t lo*.n mo>ng sa>'n]
   Sugar [Grade 1 white]   d 3,900 / kg [crystalized, produced locally]
   Fish sauce (15%)        d 2,000 / liter
   Gas [A72-A76]           d 2,300 / liter
   Fertilizer [urea-type]  d 2,060 / kg
   Cement                  d41,500 / 50 kg bag (-250).
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Subject: Burma: Karen killed 17 Burmese troops in ambush
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:55:46 GMT
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RTw  11/05 0056  KAREN KILL 17 BURMESE TROOPS IN AMBUSH

    MAE SOT, Thailand, Nov 5, Reuter - Karen guerrillas fighting for autonomy in
Burma killed 17 government troops and wounded many more in an ambush as the
soldiers cleared mines near the border with Thailand, Thai sources said on
Thursday.
    The ambush occurred on Sunday about 40 km (25 miles) southwest of Myawadi,
the town on the Burmese side of the River Moei which marks the border with
Thailand.
    It was reported by Burmese traders reaching Mae Sot and confirmed by Thai
intelligence sources.
    They said about 100 soldiers were taking part in the mine-clearing
operation.
    Fighting has broken out along the border as the rainy season ends, with the
Burmese army moving up more troops in another bid to crush the ethnic guerrillas
who have been struggling for autonomy for nearly four decades.
    An important Karen camp fell last week.
    The army almost captured the Karen headquarters at Manerplaw in its last
campaign but suspended the assault in May in what the ruling junta in Rangoon
said was a gesture of reconciliation.
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From:         "W. Todd Wipke" <wipke@SECS.UCSC.EDU>
Subject:      Now that Alpha has been announced, can we get the TEI pricelist

Now that alpha has been priced, can we get the TEI pricelist for both
Alpha and VAX and DEC stations posted on this list?  The sooner the price
uncertainty is eliminated, the sooner we can make purchasing decisions.

-Todd Wipke
  wipke@secs.ucsc.edu
From: SKELTON@MMC.BITNET (Hank Skelton)
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Subject: November CONDIST
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:43:58 GMT
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I haven't heard anything about the November CONDIST yet.  Does anybody
know if VMS V5.5-2 is on it?

            Hank Skelton - Meharry Medical College
             Computer Center, Nashville, TN 37208
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From:         Mark Tarka <TARKA10@SNYBSCVA.BITNET>
Subject:      MAIL> screen dump to file?

Is it possible to write the MAIL directory display to file?  Please
point me to a manual, if the explanation gets convoluted.

Thanks,

Mark Tarka
Chemistry Dept.;Buffalo State College; 1300 Elmwood Ave.;
Buffalo, NY, 14222-1095; USA.  (716)878-6686.  TARKA10@SNYBSCVA
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From:         "David J. Medvedeff" <DJMSYS@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Education Pricing Program 1

According to Ellen Minter's November 3rd memo:

>    Sincerely,
>
>    Ellen M. Minter
>    Education Programs Manager
>
>    P.S. There will be a new U.S. TEI Desktop Price List distributed prior to
>    the November 10, Alpha Announcement.


It's November 11, and I haven't received a Desktop Price List,
yet.  Did I miss it?  We're anxiously awaiting pricing
information for the Alpha systems.

David Medvedeff
Rochester Institute of Technology
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From:         "Dr. John McClain,
              User Services Coordinator" <MCCLAIN@TAMZEUS.BITNET>
Subject:      capturing stuff with /out qualifiers

>Is it possible to write the MAIL directory display to file?  Please
>point me to a manual, if the explanation gets convoluted.
>

I often have to do this kind of stuff, especially with VAX notes. Have
you ever tried to get a hardcopy of the members of a conference?  The
general idea is to assign sys$output to a file, then do what you have to
do.  Here is a command procedure that will do what you asked.  I don't
think you will find this explicitly documented.

--john mcclain
  academic computing services
  texas a&m university

-------------------------------------------------
$ ! define sys$output for next command
$ define/user sys$output mail_listing.txt
$ ! now invoke mail and do the directory
$ mail
select mail ! in case there are newmail messages
dir
exit
$ exit
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From:         Stephen Tihor 212 998 3052 <TIHOR@NYUACF.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: VAXCluster Console

You need somewhat to feed the console lines to the VCS system.
reverse LAT over a terminal server works.
Wires work.   Something special you hook up may work.
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