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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:00:34 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PSU is Overrated!!!!!!
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 <1992Oct15.194736.24485@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>

In article <1992Oct15.194736.24485@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>,
ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins) says:

>Kurt, I thought the Clemson tigers were MNC in '82.  Beat the dog out of      e
>someon
>in the orange bowl.

But what did the POLLS think?

------------
Kurt Ludwick
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Re: John.Cooper.must.die.die.die
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:06:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.015944.4684@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>	Cooper must die, that's all there is too it.
>
>	I know, it's not his fault that Eddie fumbled twice near the goal line
>(kiss 14 pts goodbye) or that usually reliable Williams misses two field goals
>(another 6)...
>
>	But it is his fault for using either/or series.  Either runnnnnn, or,
>when he's up a creek, passssss.

Perhaps somebody can provide some actual facts, but my gut feeling is that
this is not true.  I remember plenty of passes when the Bucks weren't
"up the creek".  Little flareouts to Stablein on the sideline and quick slants
inro the middle, mainly.  The passing game was pretty successful.

>	Anyway, back to my Cooper rant.  People hated Bruce because he took
>12-0 teams and went 9-3.  We now have Cooper taking 10-2 teams and going 7-4. 
>Ah, well.  Who's available to coach?
>
>	Last week was one thing, Wisconson played better than we did (for 50
>minutes, at least :).  Today OSU completely outplayed Illinois, but for luck
>and an unimaginative coach came up short.
>

I guess I'm not sure what you mean my "imaginative".  They ran reverses,
misdirection plays, shovel passes, flareouts, slants, and just about every kind
of run you can think of.

IMHO, Ohio State played pretty well.  Illinois had two drives all day and their
offense scored 9 points.  That speaks pretty well for the defense.  The offense
moved the ball well at times.  They had scoring opportunities out the kazoo.
I thought Herbstreit played particularly well.  Two missed field goals, two
fumbles on the 1-yd line, a guy runs one back 96 yards.  *That* is the story
of this game - not what Cooper did or did not do.

Ohio State, as you said, *did* outplay Illinois on this day - how about
giving Cooper some credit for *that* - or didn't he have anything to do
with it?

By the way, Dana Howard (#40 for Illinois) looks like a big-time player to me.
Kinney played pretty well for his first start - he took a few lumps too.

david
From: tbreeden@afit.af.mil (Thomas A. Breeden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Tennessee with Majors
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:27:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: afit.1992Oct11.132725.26328
Distribution: usa
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Originator: tbreeden@wb1

Which Vol anit-woofed "Now that Johnny Majors
is back, kiss the winning goodbye."?

Let me say that, to me, is the prediction of
the season.

Andy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: lyons@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Lyons)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:26:23 GMT

Thomas Swann <ts3m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>The University of Virginia Pep Band is the most entertaining (if not the
>most talented) "marching" band.

I hope you're joking here.  I have never seen a more offensive and
truly awful "marching" band than Virginia.  ABC agreed, showing a
good deal of Clemson's "Tiger Band" during the halftime of Virginia/Clemson
and showed *none* of Virginia (didn't want to make viewers sick.)

My roommate is in Tiger band and reports Virginia fans coming up to him
after games at UVa and wishing that "they had a *real* band" like Clemson's
(really, any other school.)

>Anyone know how many "marching" bands have been asked not to return to
>opposing team stadiums?

Not here at Clemson.  My first year here (1989 on CBS) Virginia did not
do an offensive show (but still awful.)  In fact, they put several South
Carolina Gamecock jokes into their show which appealed to our crowd.
Last year (ABC) they didn't do a halftime (our homecoming).

As far as I'm concerned, Appalachian State and Florida State are always
welcome to perform in Death Valley.  Appalachian State's post game concert
last year was outstanding, and Florida State put on a solid halftime this
year (and they also have that great chop!)

Georgia also gets a vote because they play so much in the stands, even
when they were down 34-3 in 1991 they still kept playing.

Eric Lyons
lyons@hubcap.clemson.edu
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Threads That Are Never Resolved
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:07:17 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <1992Oct8.142256.13289@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
> Threads that never get resolved on the net, but show up at least once a
> year:
> 
> My school's marching band is the best / better than....
> 
> What is the biggest rivalry in college football?
> 
> Who deserved the national championship?
> -- 
> 
> Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

Don't forget:

Sweet versus unsweet (ie: undrinkable) tea
grits versus the world

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu 
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From: X005TS@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Subject: Re: Aggie News and schedule strength
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:54:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.153212.12211@hou.amoco.com>
   zjsg12@hou.amoco.com (Jeffry S. Gracey) writes:
 
>
>I've been hanging around reading this newsgroup for a while, and I finally decided to
>try a post. To all you people who think A&M has a schedule that is A LOT easier than all the other top 10 teams, let's look at Michigan's. The
 
 
Welcome to the group.  1 piece of advice:  try not to let your lines
get more than about 72 columns long.  It makes it too difficult to
read (especially when they get copied a few times).
 
 
Hope to see T. Preston in there running the option again.  The Ags
are at their best running the option, IMHO.
 
 
BTW:  mail directly to you bounced, unknown user.
 
 
Thomas Stegmann
From: dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: OU @ CU - weather report?
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:44:42 GMT
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center

Anyone up there in Boulder have a weather report for Saturday night's
game?

Hope it's nice, I'd like to see a good air battle between Gundy and Detmer.
Let's go Sooners!  Bounce!

    OOOO      
   O    O     =================================== |       Bill Dostalik
   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            |   dostalik@utdallas.edu
   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |     Dept. of Physics    
    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    | Univ. of Oklahoma @ Dallas
      U    U  =================================== | 
       UUUU                                       |   "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."
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From: steve@eng.wayne.edu (Steve Phillips)
Subject: Re: MSU-UM Gametime
Organization: Wayne State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:34:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.141143.9314@wl.com>, wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski) writes:
> 
> 	The UM-MSU gametime is 3:30 pm.
> 	And for people who complained about ND's deal with NBC, have
> you noticed how every Michigan home game this year (4 after Sat.) including
> those against those powerhouses Houston and Oklahoma State have been 
> televised by ABC. I think there is also plans to televise the Minnesota 
> game later in the year. So it isn't just ND that gets overexposed.

Actually, the Michigan-Minnesota game is the only home game that will not
be on television.  It starts at 1:00.

Steve
U-M '92
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Playoff system
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:36:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Oct16.053633.4828
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct15.235519.29099@u.washington.edu> baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian) writes:
>Just wanted to say the following things:
>  1)  Having a college football playoff would be stupid, because it would
>      distract the STUDENT athletes during first semester/quarter finals.
>      (For all you Bay Area people who call U-Dub U-Dummy, forget it.. our
>       athletes are good students also)
Yeah? Division I-AA, II and III have playoffs. Do you mean that schools like
Carnegie-Mellon, Case Western Reserve, Washington U .... aren't real schools?
or their players aren't really STUDENT athletes? Their football players
aren't even on scholarships.

>  2)  If you want to watch a playoff system, I suggest that you go watch the
>      ever-so-boring NFL.
I do. That's why I like the NFL much better than college football. Less 
hypocritical.

>  3)  If two college football teams finish the season undefeated, ranked #1 
>      and #2 or #1/#1, then they should meet at a neutral sight after their
>      respective bowl games to put the MNChampionship in proper perspective.
>      (No #3 or #4 teams allowed, even if they are also undefeated).
If this isn't a playoff, I don't know what is.

>  4)  NCAA should not and will not convert to a playoff system to benefit
>      the sportswriters and fans in the expense of the athletes.
NCAA definitely will not convert to a playoff system, because nobody is
capable of putting up the million $$$$ the old fart bowls put up. If
we get somebody like Ted Turner or Donald Trump offering double Rose Bowl
money to a post-season tournament winner, you will see a playoff RIGHTAWAY.
Tradition isn't as powerful as $$$$.

The current Bowl Coalition is a mock playoff system. If it succeeds getting
the #1 vs #2 matchup year in year out, the cry for playoffs will die down
eventually. So for all you college football fanatics, let's hope for another
split this year, i.e. the Coalition fails to produce the #1 vs #2 matchup. 

If not, then do your best to become a billionaire. Use the dough to kill
all the old fart bowls, and you'll have a playoff.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: "Michael Chui" <mchui@spinner.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Need words to Stanford fight song
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:29:09 -0500

In article <yvonne.719026612@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
>Well, since you asked, I guess the Stanford fight song is All Right Now,
>since they play it after scores and after victories,  but
>the only words I can ever remember singing are the "Woo" after the part that
>goes da-daa-da-da.

	Accompanied, of course, by "The Jump," as taught to freshmen:
eight beats after the first da.

Michael Chui
mchui@cs.indiana.edu
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From: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Miami #1
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 11:37:26 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu


In article <70906@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) wrote:
> }
> }Did it occur to you that they are PAC 10 teams and Washington *must*
> }play them?  Washington did schedule Nebraska. Miami, on the other
> }hand, schedules all their oponents.
> 
> Did it occur to you that all teams play a few creampuffs, whether
> or not they are in a conference?  Miami plays Florida A&M, TCU,
> and Temple.  Washington plays Oregon State, Pacific, and 
> Arizona State/Oregon (pick whichever is worse this year).  Washington
> tried to line up another patsy in Wisconsin, but the Badgers actually
> turned out decent this year.
> 

	Wisconsin, as it turned out was a replacement opponent.  The 
team that was supposed to play Washington this year was....
SURPRISE!  MIAMI of FLORIDA.  Looks like the 'Canes weenied out on this
one.  

	Unfortunately, this decision was made a couple of years ago.  In
exchange, Miami got Wisconsin to replace them.  

	Anyway, Look for 4 Home-Home series between Washington and
Miami starting the middle of this decade.  It should be fun.

> Miami did its best to line up a tough schedule this year (@ Penn State,
> @ Iowa, @ Syracuse, Florida State, Arizona, @ San Diego State), and
> the fact that they play a few creampuffs (like every other team) 
> is quite irrelevant.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
>        "Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing 
>          swords is no basis for a system of government!"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Officiating (MSU vs. AU)
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:36:00 GMT


I just watched the replay of the Mississippi State - Auburn game and indeed
the two pass interference calls were called incorrectly.  The first was against
us when the AU defender was at fault, the second was against AU when we were
at fault.

Fred Baxter sure made a beautiful catch while being tackled.


David

-- 
               David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
 Mississippi State University |
          dkm2@ra.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove 
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From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Re: IPTAY (was Re: ACC This Week: Predictions and Such)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:30:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.145401.22434@dg-rtp.dg.com> willmsch@buzz.rtp.dg.com (Royce Willmschen) writes:
> 
> Except it would be "It's probation time again, Yous Guys!".  Or is that
> Rutgers?

Are you from Joisey?  What exit?

Bob Dieckmann
Exit 102

> Royce Willmschen                    
> Data General Corp.			"Generic Quote"

-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@mtfme.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
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From: lein@garage.bae.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Penn State versus top 10 teams 
Reply-To: lein@bae.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 14:31:40 GMT


I've seen a few post regarding Penn State's Record versus top 10 teams 
(including  a lot of number crunching by Mr. Pitts.)  I don't know where
ESPN got their graphic that stated that Penn State under Paterno is 
10-41 against teams that finished in the top 10.  Going through
PSU's record since 1966 (Joe Paterno era) this is what I found.

Overall versus teams that finished in the top 10:  9-21
Overall in games where PSU and Opponent finished in top 10:  8-9 

Being Human I may have muffed a handfull of games - my appologies to the  
fans of teams I missed.

I did not include teams that lost to Penn State and as a result may not have 
finished in the top-10.  four of these games come to mind - 
    1980 Fiesta Bowl PSU over Ohio St 31-19 
    1981 PSU over Nebraska 30-24
    1982 Fiesta Bowl PSU over Southern Cal. 26-10
    1992 Fiesta Bowl PSU over Tennessee 42-17
    
 

Penn State On the Road
                          FINAL top 10 AP RANK
PSU  year-team   OPP      PSU      OPP
---  ---------   ---      ---      --- 
 8 '66 Mich ST    42       NR        2
11 '66 UCLA       49       NR        5
11 '71 Tennessee  31        5        9
21 '72 Tennessee  28       10        8
 9 '75 Ohio St    17       10        4
17 '79 Nebraska   42       NR        9
48 '81 Pitt       14        4        8
23 '86 Alabama     3        1        9
21 '87 Syracuse   48       NR        4
30 '88 W.V.U      51       NR        5
 7 '88 Notre Dame 21       NR        1
24 '90 Notre Dame 21       NR        6
20 '91 Miami      26        3        1


Overall Away record: 3-10
Games where both PSU and opponent finished in top 10: 2-4



Penn State at Home

                          FINAL top 10 AP RANK
PSU  year-team   OPP      PSU      OPP
---  ---------   ---      ---      --- 
 7 '76 Pitt       24       NR        1
20 '77 Kentucky   24        5        6
14 '79 Pitt       29       NR        7
 7 '80 Nebraska   21        8        7
27 '82 Nebraska   24        1        3
19 '82 Pitt       10        1       10
23 '89 Notre Dame 34       NR        3?

Overall Home record 2-5
Games where both PSU and opponent finished in top 10: 2-2



At Neutral sites

                          FINAL top 10 AP RANK
PSU  year-team   OPP      PSU      OPP
---  ---------   ---      ---      --- 
15 '68 Kansas     14        2        7
10 '69 Missouri    3        2        6
 0 '72 Oklahoma   14       10        2
 6 '75 Alabama    13       NR        6
 7 '78 Alabama    14        4        1
27 '82 Georgia    24        1        4
 5 '83 Nebraska   44       NR        2
10 '85 Oklahoma   25        3        1
14 '86 Miami      10        1        2
17 '90 Florida St 24       NR        4

Overal Neutral site record: 4-6
Games where both PSU and opponent finished in top 10: 4-3



John L
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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: U2 at Legion Field .........
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:30:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.205308.9549@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> jwilson@homeboy.msfc.nasa.gov writes:
>In article 1@ducvax.auburn.edu, swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu () writes:
>>Irish Rock Band U2 performed at Legion Field in Birmingham Alabama this
>>week.  After the concert, lead singer Bono complained heavily about the
>>artificial turf at Legion Field.  He also said that in the future, he and
>>the rest of U2 would much rather perform at Auburn's Jordan-Hare Stadium and
>>bama's Denny "Grand Slum" Stadium on alternating years!  On a related note,
>>U2 guitarist "The Edge" had no comment on being allowed to perform despite
>>two drunk driving arrests in the past four months......
>>
>>:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) 
>>-- 
>>David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu 
>
>Also, it was reported that Bono was quitting the band due to allegations
>that he beat one of his groupies with a microphone stand.

    You guys are really lacking for something to talk about, huh. 
I've seen this basketball related thread appear far too many times
on a *football* newsgroup.  The real scoop is that Bono is in
trouble for copying a Bob Dylan song and not crediting him.  When
asked about it he said, "I just forgot the quotes". (Sorry David, I
wasn't going to use it but I had to)

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
From: grundusk@sunflare.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kevin Grunduski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big 10 Little 9 predictions
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:51:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

You mean a Washington team that got lucky to get by USC and got a huge break to beat
Cal.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com (Matt Weiser)
Subject: Re: Colorado pounds Mizzou 6-0
Organization: Martin Marietta WIS
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:43:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.135410.10146@spdc.ti.com>, dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:
> 
> Buffaloes, ease up!  You didn't *have* to run it up on Mizzou like that
> did you?  I mean, like, did you really need to kick that second field 
> goal?  6-zip is a bit much isn't it?  BTW - how can you get so many
> yards and not get a TD?  I watched the whole game and can't figure it
> out.  Pretty tough D, though.
> 

Yea, I don't know what it is with these colorado teams (buffs, broncos) but we have
a hell of a time getting it in.  The offense needs to do something when they get near
the end zone.  I think coach Mac is so gung ho about the new passing game that he
is killing the running game.  It helps to be able to run when the passing area
is restricted by the endzone.  We had almost 500 yards offense and only got 6
points.  Our turnover ratio is last in the big eight (-10 or -12 or something)
and everytime we got in position to score we turned it over.  MU punted 9 times,
which is a tribute to the defense - they played great.  The only scoring MU had
a shot at was a 53 yard field goal.  If MU would have had one big play, we would
have lost.  All in all, it was a pretty boring game, and the conditions looked
bad (but nothing like Nebraska a couple of years ago!)  Koy Detmer did not play,
and we had better get the offense used to scoring if we are going to beat 
Oklahoma on the 17th.  5 - 0, & winning ugly.

Matt Weiser
weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com
Go Buffs!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gbq1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Gene B. Quinn)
Subject: Re: Gupta Power Ratings 10/5/92
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:38:52 GMT

Bapi Gupta <C31801AG@WUVMD> writes:


>top 36.  Only 5 of 10 SEC teams are in the top 40.  Only 4 Big Ten teams

If you'll recheck, you'll find that it's 7 of 12 teams in the top 40.

>  2. Tennessee                    299.91   5  0  0  1.000    9   8   0  0.529
> 10. Alabama                      268.31   5  0  0  1.000    8  11   0  0.421
> 21. Georgia                      245.03   4  1  0  0.800    9  10   0  0.474
> 23. Mississippi State            241.35   3  1  0  0.750    4   8   0  0.333
> 31. Auburn                       229.96   4  1  0  0.800    8   7   0  0.533
> 38. Mississippi                  218.98   3  2  0  0.600   13   5   0  0.722
> 39. Florida                      217.88   1  2  0  0.333    9   2   0  0.818

> 49. Kentucky                     199.11   3  2  0  0.600    7  10   0  0.412
> 52. Vanderbilt                   195.11   2  2  0  0.500   11   4   0  0.733
> 68. Louisiana State              169.93   1  4  0  0.200   14   5   0  0.737
> 99. Arkansas                     124.05   1  4  0  0.200    8   8   0  0.500
>101. South Carolina               110.23   0  5  0  0.000   10   9   0  0.526

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* Dept. of Physics                              gbq1@ra.msstate.edu      *
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