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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:27:35 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: O.K., HOW ABOUT DOD MOUSE
	<1992Apr16.175329.20280@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>

Howdy,
ttmech@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov (Paul Mech) writes:
> In article <1992Apr16.160902.7043@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.\
> com writes:
> >
> >True, Real Men (tm) use trackballs.
> 
> No, Real Men (tm) use the arrow keys.  None of these sissy interfaces!

You one of those sissy keyboards to use the arrow keys.  Real men use
their dick to flip DIP switches and don't need those damn sissy
operating systems...

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '78 KM100 (commute-in-snow)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
From: bilbo@bisco.kodak.com (Charles Tryon)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company; Rochester, NY
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 03:03:19 GMT

In article <Ydr9CDu00Vp34G1Hot@andrew.cmu.edu> ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy) writes:
>somerville@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (SOMERVILLE) writes:
>> 2) It's interesting that you claim cyclists think they are more
>>    important than other people, ...
>
>Ok, first off, I didn't say that bicyclists thought they were "more
>important", rather that they thought they were "as important."  (I'll
>get to what importance means in this context in a second.)
>
>Importance may be a bad choice of words.  ...

  I think that it is a very telling choice of words.

  It is interesting how we create a sense of "importance" in this culture,
  and how we treat others once we think we have more importance than they
  do.  Faster cars.  Faster women.  More whiskey..

  I was once flamed by some cager because he said I was "playing" in the
  road on my bicycle (i.e., out enjoying myself), and was getting in the
  way of much more "important" automobile traffic.

  Now, I use my bicycle for transportation as well as enjoyment (it's
  fortunate that, with the bicycle, I can actually combine the two!).
  Does that make me just as important now?  If I am on my way to work, and
  some cager is at a stop sign, on his way to the park, should he yield
  right of way because I'm now more important than he is?

  Don't you think we should spend less time trying to push other "less
  important" people out of our way, and more time trying to live with them?


>    ...  I just get nervous when I hear bicyclists standing
>up and demanding that they be treated the same as other traffic when
>they ARE NOT the same as other traffic.

  I don't expect to be treated the SAME as a car.  I know my limitations.
  What I ask is some consideration on the part of motor vehicle operators,
  realizing that I too am a vehicle, and just as important as they are.
  It would be nice if they would realize that I am doing a LOT more for
  them in terms of protecting their precious resources of oil and space,
  but I guess that's too much to ask.

  *SIGH*



--
Chuck Tryon
    bilbo@bisco.kodak.com                                 B. Baggins
    << Kodak and I don't always share opinions. >>        At Your Service
 ____________________________________________________________________
   REAL Bicyclists don't take abuse from motorists, they drop them.
                                          -- Dan Mocsny
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@ninja.megatek.uucp
Subject: Re: Calif. Emission laws
Summary: no problem...
Reply-To: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:18:40 GMT

In article <92099.091358AGJXR@ASUACAD.BITNET> Jeff Roberts <AGJXR@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
|Hi, I have a question from you folks in the Golden State:  I own an
|RZ350 that was originally from California, so it came with a catalytic
|converter.  I live in Arizona, and have passed the emissions test here
|with this equipment removed.  I have a job offer in the Bay area and
|want to know if I will have to return the bike to stock condition to
|get it registered.  Are aftermarket pipes allowed on this bike?
|Thanks in advance for any help.
|"California here I come..."

  No problem - there is no visual, mechanical, or chemical check performed on
motorcycles in California, other than to verify the VIN and frame number.  I
just registered my 49-state bike here with no problem (now, moving a car out
here is a major pain, starting with the $300 smog impact fee, and getting
worse if you don't pass the smog test).

Randy Davis				UUCP: megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
ZX-11 Pilot			 	      ucsd!megatek!randy
DoD #00013

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karen@brahms.amd.com (Karen Black)
Subject: Re: DoD number
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices; Sunnyvale, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 06:16:07 GMT

Dan Sorenson writes:
> Seth Zirin writes:
>
>>All DoD annual dues should be sent to:
>
>>Seth Zirin
>>AT&T Bell Laboratories
>>184 Liberty Corner Road, 3N-R07
>>Warren, NJ 07059
>
>>The current dues requirement is 1% of your 1991 AGI.
>
>	I suppose this makes you Keeper of the Loot, doesn't it?  Wait
>a minnit -- that'd be KotL, which we certainly can't have.  How's
>about Keeper of the Dough (KotD) instead?

I suggest Keeper of the $ (Kot$).

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
From: freshair@iastate.edu (James W Gregory)
Subject: Re: Taxing bicycles? (note new subject heading)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:21:35 GMT

Is it possible to get liability insurance for a bicycle?  Last night, I carrieda Schwinn Collegiate on my bicycle trailer from the bike shop where it was being repaired back to the owner.  On the return trip, I carried 12 reems of paper for a local food cooperative.  After unloading the paper, I carried a brand new Trek 8700 from the bicycle shop to the new owner, who had requested that it be delivered to his home.  

As my bike-powered delivery business expands, I'm beginning to wonder if I should get liability insurance for the cargo I carry, and for any injury or damage I may cause, should I get in an accident.  I've been trying to get a delivery contract with the local food cooperative so I can deliver groceries for them, but their concerned about their own liability should something occur.   

How much would such insurance cost?  Some of the loads I'm starting to carry are starting to get pretty valuable.  The load of paper cost $70; I hate to even guess at the price of the Trek, but it must have been over $1000.  (BTW, picking up and delivering bicycles with a bicycle and trailer is a GREAT way for a bicycle shop to show they are pro-bicycle).

-Jim

Jim Gregory,  Fresh Aire Delivery Services
-- 
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From: klur@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (david.s.klur)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Help: I want to buy a motorcycle!
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:40:43 GMT
Organization: AT&T


I'd like to buy a motorcycle before this summer and I need some advice.
I will continue to use my car as my primary vehicle but will use the
motorcycle on weekends, etc. and maybe to drive to work once in a while
(this requires about 12 miles of highway driving).

I know nothing about motorcycle maintenance (but am willing to learn)
so I guess i'm looking for a reliable, not too expensive, nothing
fancy motorcycle (used).

Any suggestions to help me get started in the motorcycle world?
Also, whats the best way to get the best buy on a used motorcycle?

Thanks,

Dave Klur
dklur@attmail.com
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: periodic return visit -- nothing ever changes i see
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:26:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: sixgun.scg92INNgh
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 3253@thinkage.on.ca, kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>
>jest & good humour can get quite tiring to put up with.

almost as tiring as pedantic sermons.

>YOU may know the weight of your words, your INTENDED audience may
>know the weight of your words, but do not underestimate the skewing power
>of those same words to the silent majority who do not have sufficient
>information about the author or the topic in question to place the
>proper weighting.

So, in other words, never say anything. 

Right.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dumb Laws
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:26:44 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <1992Apr12.162801.27108@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash) writes:
>Memphis, TN still has a law on the books that a woman may not drive an
>automobile unless there is a man walking 10 feet in front of her with a
                                  ^^^^^^^ 
>red flag.  (I wonder what would be a valid defense in case of a ticket.)

A woman friend to whom I just read this says, "How about running?".

Jim

-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
* Yamama 650 Maxim           | "It's not how fast you go on the fast parts, *  
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |  it's how fast you go on the slow parts."    * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) |                           - Dilip Ballamore  *
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: testing IGRNORE !!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:12:11 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 6959@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu, money1@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Neal Joseph Thurman) writes:
>You are entirely correct, of course, but why stop with just leg protectors?

Well, I'm not sure if motorcycle air bags are past the research stage
yet, but if so, then by all means they should be included.  The slight
sticker price increase is more than outweighed by the reduction in the
cost to society as a whole for caring for needlessly injured
motorcyclists.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: vogel@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Carl Vogel)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Harley Davidson c.1940
Keywords: what's it worth?
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:27:18 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

Hello.

I'm afraid that I don't know the usual topics in this
group, but this was the only one I found about motorcycles.
Perhaps you can answer the questions though...

The father of a friend of mine lives in a village in the
eastern part of Germany.  For years and years and years
he's been maintaining a Harley Davidson that is a civilian
model of the military issue ('fraid I don't know enough about
the things to be any more specfic than that, except that

the manufacture date was somewhere in '39, '40, or '41.).
He'd like to know what the value of the bike is in US 
dollars.  I've seen it and can say certainly that it 
is well oiled, clean, and sports no rust...  Do you have
any ideas?

If you do, please send them to me:
vogel@cogsci.ed.ac.uk 

Thanks.

carl
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore)
Subject: Re: Today's Braindead Cager Day
Keywords: cagers stupidity TOW
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:09:36 GMT

In article <11256@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
>
>Now mind you, I've grown a little used to these idiots around here . . . 
>and I wouldn't really have labelled them close calls (you should see some
>of the close calls! . . . .and NO, you haven't seen me in any close calls,
>yet, Lorra! ;-)  but 3 of these loonies in about a 15 minute time frame . . 
>. . . . .. . gaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwd, I hate cagers . . . . . . . 

I never even suggested that you had any close calls with cagers... cops,
yes.  Cagers, no. All your moves were well planned out and executed
exactly. (no, seriously, folks.... :)

Lorra "I still chicken before my bike does" Moore
From: rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Robert B. Pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How much are 1992 R100GS' going for???
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:47:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: nic.1992Apr8.084708.1711
Distribution: rec
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <15159@drutx.ATT.COM> brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB) writes:
>	Is $6820 a good price for a 1992 R100GS ?????

brucer too?  FJs Be Damned!!!!!  the world wants a GS!


-- 
- bob pasker
  halfdome!bob@cs.sfsu.edu | rbp@sutro.sfsu.edu | rbp@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: INFO ON YAMAHA VISION?
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> Looking at a 1982 Yamaha Vision 550, 12K miles, excellent
-> condition, new battery, new tires, new pro. tuneup, $1,800.
-> Sound like a good deal?

 Emphatically not.  That's at least 50% more than what the bike is
worth.  For $1800 you're in bigbore territory, most places.

-> How long did Yamaha make the Vision? (or is it still in production?)

 As far as I remember, '82 and '83 only.  There was a "standard" version
and a "touring" version with some really gross bodywork.

 The Vision has a number of plusses:  It was one of the hottest 550s of
its day (more power than the GpZ550 of the same year), lightweight,
water cooled, shaft drive, etc.  I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one,
assuming it was priced appropriately.
                                   
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Motorcyclists and Bicyclists
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:33:04 GMT

moseley@milton.u.washington.edu (Steve Moseley) writes:
>Let's split this group into rec.motorcycles and rec.bicycles! I'm all for
>giving bicyclists their own newsgroup.
...
>Anyhow, I'd like to see a CFV for splitting .bicycles away from this group.

Great idea, let's do it!

There are a couple of other options though. It started with some
rocket scientist cross-posting over here, and then continued with all
those oxygen-starved bicyclists mutating the cross-posted thread into a
dozen others. So we can either wait for all of those threads to die a
natural death, or we can jump into each discussion and stick a
"Followup-To: rec.bicycles" in the header of each reply. Who knows,
within a year or two, all bicycle discussions may taking place in
rec.bicycles.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200
From: tjohnson@atcc5.prime.com (Tod J Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: New Security Clamp/Pat on Back
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:13:08 GMT
Reply-To: tjohnson@atcc5.UUCP (Tod J Johnson)
Distribution: rec.motorcycles
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

In article <1992Apr10.090628.23460@axion.bt.co.uk> pyoung@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk writes:
>From article <2994@cvbnetPrime.COM>, by tjohnson@prep11.prime.com (Tod J Johnson):
>
>	[Tod describes a wacky security clamp thingy]
>
>Well that's very interesting. Although this device might deter the
>casual thief (in the way a cheap padlock through the front disc
>might) I can't see how it would help in the usual scenario: 3 guys pick up
>the bike and chuck it into the back of a van. OK, it might take 4 or 5
>for an Electra Glide or a Wingybago, but who'd want to steal one of those?
>At least an alarm would do something.
>
>  Pete Young         pyoung@axion.bt.co.uk        Phone +44 473 645054

Jane You Ignorant Slut;

	You are correct Sir with regards to the group of thieves who are
willing to physically pick up a bike and haul it off. But, would you 
prefer to have spend ~$35 on a sceurity device, or ~350 on a security
device once they have done so?	

	And also Paul; what good would the alarm do? 99% percent of the
people mearly want it shut off. In the scenerio you describe (the one
with the 4 guys and a van; see above) it's not like the van is going to
be a mile away and they have to carry this bike. The van will be a few
feet away and these thieves will disconnect the alarm in no time. 

	And one more thing; this device does fit in to my executive brief
case. In the future please get it correct though; it's not "Executive
Leather Briefcase" it's "Executive Corinthian Leather Briefcase". Don't
they have Volare comercials over there?

	In short, we must return to the ancient Greeks judicial system
where anyone stealing a motorcycle, is killed and then tortured to death.

Long Live The Queen and that Guy With The Big Ears;

Tod J. Johnson
DoD #883
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rich@sunne.wal.ab.com (Rich Sullivan)
Subject: Z1 MOTORS
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:39:14 GMT

With 2 broken idler gears and the cam chain running beside the sprocket,
and with 108k miles logged, it is safe to say that 1975 Z1 motors are
the most reliable and bulletproof motors there is.  Anything else would
have exploded long ago.


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tbb@sumac02.cray.com (Todd Blachowiak)
Subject: Re: preliminary tally FG vs. GS
Originator: tbb@sumac02
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:00:55 CDT


In article (Bob Pasker) writes:
> 
> its still lopsided, by the way.  the tally stands at 15:13 FJ:GS.
> all you GS riders out there! send me E-MAIL!  garry wasserman are
> you out there?

 Much to the dismay of the FJers and GSers I would guess that their are
 more CBRers out there. You are counting FJ1100's, FJ1200's of different
 years and GS's of different sizes and years aren't you?

 Lets see, 87-present CBRers for 600 and 1000 sizes. I would bet an attempted
 wheelie/stoppie the CBR's are more prevailent:-0

 What about the FZR's.

 Hmm... could it be that the official ride of the DoD is a CB?
 
 BTW, don't mail me for tallying, please.

-- 
Take care,
Todd Blachowiak
"Anybody who does things with a motorcycle that I don't do is a SQUID,
anybody who doesn't do the things I do is inexperienced"
From: artc@bacchus.epps.kodak.com (Art Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Meta-flame, etc...
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:23:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: atexnet.6221
Reply-To: artc@bacchus.atex.kodak.com
Organization: Atex Publishing Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr3.214603.13273@colorado.edu>, matthews@ajsh.colorado.edu (Alex Matthews) writes:
|> In article <ktp099INNfdu@news.bbn.com> mtiberio@BBN.COM (Mike Tiberio) writes:
|> >
|> >Japan gets its steel from mines in australia
|> 
|> More precisely, Japan gets its iron from foreign mines, and makes
|> steel from it.  The reason the USA is not competitive is not because
|> we lack the raw materials, it's because we lack the up-to-date
|> steelmaking plants.
|> 

BZZZAAAAP! Wrong answer.

Japan buys scrap iron and steel from the U.S. -- they used to be and may still
be the largest purchaser  of U.S. scrap, buying more than the entire U.S. steel
industry did -- and recycles it in what U.S. 
producers call mini-mills.

It's cheaper for them to do this because it enables them to produce a higher-
quality product faster than they can by importing raw materials (island nation
and all that). The refining of impurities and so on has largely been done in
the first smeltings.

This is also one of the reason for the decline in the U.S. steel industry --
for years and years it was set up to produce only or largely from raw materials
and never put the technology and resources in place to take advantage of 
recycled metals.

Also, many U.S. mills owned raw materials suppliers and had/have a vested
interest in continuing to do business the raw-materials way.

Producing from raw materials costs more, therefor steel from raw materials sells
for a higher price, therefor mills go out of business because they can't compete
on price.   


-- 
Art Campbell          artc@atex.kodak.com            72227.1375@compuserve.com
   DoD 358                                  _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels.
    "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent 
     and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
                      All the usual disclaimers apply.
From: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Aged Ambrosia Rev.4
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:17:58 GMT
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <15325@drutx.ATT.COM> brucer@drutx.ATT.COM (RobinsonB) writes:
>	Actually, the last line should read:
>        "Soft, warm, contoured metal.  Give me pre-UNIT or give me DEATH."
>                                               ^^^^

C'mon now!  I didn't edit AA Rev.4!!  After two years and three months,
you're finally getting around to correcting your typos!  :-)

>	Ambrosia, indeed!!!

...the consumption of which allows most partakers to obtain nirvana...
Hang around gentle readers!  The selection gets even better!

>    66
>     >
>     ^ .................. the edited "brucer" (DoD #0002)

Steve Garnier - 1979 Yamaha XS1100SF Special with 156,000 miles and *climbing*
DoD #00000005 - KotF (The Daemon's Byte and Keeper of the Flame), NC Chapter
Internet:steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu  UUCP:{?,gatech,uunet}!mcnc!bucolix!steve