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From: iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng)
Subject: Emacs in VAX
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 06:23:11 GMT

Is there a version of Emacs run on Vax?

thanks.

-- Siau Cheng
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: fenton@su19a.ess.harris.com (S. Fenton McDonald)
Subject: VHDL mode
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:40:24 GMT
Organization: Harris Corporation

Does anyoen know if there is a mode for VHDL?  I have checked the
archive at archive.cis.ohio-state.edu, but I did not see one.

Also, does anyone know a programming language which is closer to VHDL
than Ada.  I am currently using the Ada mode while editing my VHDL
file, but the indent rules are not correct.

thanks

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: oshins@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Jake Oshins)
Subject: Ada mode
Organization: /homes/iws/oshins/.organization
Distribution: na
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:10:39


The ada-mode I have for GNU Emacs creates wonderful templates for
procedures and functions.  i.e. C-c C-p prompts for the name of a
function and it's arguments and then it fills in the mechanical
details.  But there is a bug.  When I put an underscore in the name of
the procedure, ada-mode truncates the name when it writes out the "end
procedure" part of the template.  Does anyone know if a correct
implementation of ada-mode exists and where I can find it?

- Jake Oshins
oshins@cs.washington.edu
From: bab@se39.wg2.waii.com (Brian Button)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Matlab mode
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:07:54 GMT
Organization: Western Geophysical Exploration Products

Does anyone know of a matlab-mode for emacs?

Thanks,

bab
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Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help,gnu.epoch.misc
From: pierson@kukri.mps.mlo.dec.com (dan pierson)
Subject: Re: Which to use Epoch or Lucid Emacs?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:24:54

Lucid Emacs:

    Seems more robust.  Many fewer display gliches on my platform
    (DECstation 5000/200 running Ultrix 4.2 + 4.3 Xws).

    Better basic integration of mouse and highlighting with basic
    Emacs features (e.g. isearch).

    Includes good V19 upgrades of some packages: (e.g. shell->cmushell,
    dired->tree dired, gnus built in).

    Menubar and popup menu support.

    Bigger and somewhat slower (Xt costs).

    Not fully upward compatible at the Elisp level (standard practice
    between major GNU Emacs releases ;-().  The main incompatibilities
    are:
	1. All user input is in the form of event, not character
    	   sequences.  Keymaps are an opaque type, not a vector.
    	   This a big improvement, but there are porting costs.
    	2. (mark) doesn't always work like it used to.  This breaks
    	   Supercite, for example.  The fix is simple.
    	3. Selective display and horizontal screen splitting don't work
    	   yet.

    Fewer ports currently available.  19.3 is a big improvement over
    earlier version, but you may still have to do your own tweaking.

Epoch:

    More package of fancy X11 features, especially more mouse support
    packages.  Highlighting packages are about even.

    Somewhat faster and smaller.

    More compatible with GNU Emacs 18.58.  Essentially all the non-X stuff
    is the same.  Virtually all added Emacs 18 packages work fine.

    In my experience, buggier.  Occasional crashes.  More frequent
    redisplay glitches, e.g. in the bottom-most modeline of a screen.
    Occational hangs.  Please don't get the idea that this makes it
    unuseable, I used it as my standard editor for over two years
    (and many versions) before switching.

                                            dan
	   
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From: dony@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Bob Dony)
Subject: Ftp in M-x shell: problems
Organization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster Univ
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:47:44 GMT

I'm running GNU Emacs 18.57.6 compiled for "silicon-graphics-unix"
under IRIX Release 4.0.5 System V and I'm having problems with the
shell (M-x shell) and process buffer.  When I'm running ftp in the
shell, I either get nothing or just the numbered messages when I use
the -v (verbose) option.  I do not see the ftp> prompt.  The program
does accept and execute input commands (ls, get, cd, ...).  

I've written a test program which alternates writing to stdout &
stderr and when I run it under the shell, the order of the output is
changed: stderr first, then stdout.  I don't know if this means
anything.

This is a real PITA since I can't run ange-ftp (transparent ftp file
access for Emacs file functions - a very nice extension).  Any ideas
out there?  I didn't install Emacs nor will I be able to make any
fixes to it - just a user :-)

Thanks in advance.

-- 
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Communications Research Laboratory                      +1 416 525 9140 x7282
McMaster University, 1280 Main Street West                                   
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Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help,gnu.epoch.misc
From: psm@sdc.com (Steve Murphy)
Subject: Which to use Epoch or Lucid Emacs?
Keywords: lucid, emacs, epoch, gnu
Organization: Systems Development Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:16:45 GMT

I want to use an emacs with improved windowing capabilities. The question
then becomes which to use, Epoch or Lucid Emacs?  What are of the pros and
cons of using one over the other?  
-- 
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 Voice: 1 312 739 1111		maintained if it is prosperous.
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From: hwajin@mondo.iphasew.com (Hwa-Jin Bae)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Re: pasting from gnuemacs to xterm
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:05:35 GMT
Organization: Interphase West, Santa Clara, CA
In-reply-to: craigj@sun.com's message of 15 Oct 92 23:44:56 GMT

>>>>> On 15 Oct 92 23:44:56 GMT, craigj@sun.com (Craig Johnson) said:
Craig> NNTP-Posting-Host: quigg


Craig> Anyone out there know how to cut text from gnuemacs buffer and
Craig> paste it into xterm window?

if you're running X version of emacs (i.e. no -nw option) you can
define mouse button bindings in mouse-map keymap for x-cut-text,
x-paste-text, x-cut-and-wipe-text, etc.  what i usually do is:

(define-key mouse-map x-button-s-middle 'x-cut-text)
(define-key mouse-map x-button-s-right 'x-paste-text)
(define-key mouse-map x-button-c-middle 'x-cut-and-wipe-text)


	~hwajin
From: jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Re: How do I use an incrementing value within a macro?
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:07:40 GMT
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: langlais@bnr.ca's message of 6 Oct 92 13:55:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.135507.9089@bnr.uk> langlais@bnr.ca (Guy L'Anglais) writes:

    I would like to implement a macro which basically goes through 
   a file at regeular intervals and adds a character (Number) starting
   from a variable that I specify at Run time. e.g. The macro would
   query me , I reply with a 6 , and then the macro basically puts
   the value in the file, increments the value, changes relative 
   position and rexecutes a number of times.

Bard Bloom wrote a package called insert-patterned.el that does exactly
this.  Look for it in an FTP archive.

-- 
Joe Wells <jbw@cs.bu.edu>
Member of the League for Programming Freedom --- send e-mail for details
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: greve@rs1.thch.uni-bonn.de (Thomas Greve)
Subject: Re: Help with installing gnu emacs for OS2
Organization: University of Bonn, phys. Chemistry
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:21:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.184102.18129@novell.com> jserpa@novell.com (Jorge Serpa) writes:
>I am having problems finding all the archive files and instructions on how to
>install gnu emacs for OS2.
You'll probably find what you need on hobbes.nmsu.edu, on pub/os2/2.0/...
The original site for the emx stuff is rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de, but that's
transatlantic for you...

>Could somebody who has successfully installed it send me the location of the
>archive files as well as a list of the files needed?
I took the stuff from rusmv1, but the files on hobbes should be the same.

>A set of instructions, or at least pitfalls to avoid would also be greatly
>appreciated.
Pitfalls: you need emx.dll etc, which must be in the libpath. I'm not
sure, if there is one within the emacs zip's. If not: get yourself
emxdev.zip from emx-0.8e. If you use these dll's, you must also apply
the emacs08e patch, otherwise not.

There is an install script (don't know it's name), that precompiles
some of the .el stuff, which should/must be executed before emacs
works. But you can read all this, how to set up the environment etc in
one of the readme's. All in all, it's an hour of work for a first time
user. 

-- 
				- Thomas

   greve@rs1.thch.uni-bonn.de
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From: eoq@vthnw.cvm.msu.edu (Edward Quillen)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Modifying mode line
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:08:20 GMT
Organization: Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Michigan State Univ.


I was wondering if it was possible to modify the mode line:
the line with ----------'s to contain other info within the lisp functions
w/o recompiling emacs.

Or if you have to recompile emacs, where is the code that does this.
I want to put the current line number as well as maybe the cursor position.

Thanks for your help!

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: RMAIL
From: sl0k3@uranus.ee.usu.edu (Saturn)
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:28:08 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University


HI,
	I use rmail and I would like to know if there is a way one
could automatically filter the incoming mail messages each time I 
run RMAIL.  That is, each time I run Rmail, it should check the 
subject or other fields and either delete mails or take other actions.

If it needs Elisp, I dont know to program in it but if somebody can
send me samples I may try.

Email answers perfered but I would read the net for replies.

Thanks in advance.


*Sudhakaran Ram*

Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: philipr@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Philip Rhoades)
Subject: Want binary emacs for SCO UNIX/ODT 1.1
Summary: Where can I get a binary of emacs for SCO ODT?
Keywords: emacs sco odt binary
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:48:03 GMT

Does anyone know if a SCO UNIX/ODT 1.1 version of (micro)emacs exists?
I have looked in the sco newsgroups and archive sites as well as the 
postings in this group but I can't see a mention anywhere. I don't have
the Dev System so source is no use at the moment.

-- 
Philip Rhoades
First Year Biology
University of Sydney
phil@biox.bio.su.OZ.AU or philipr@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU
From: robert@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Robert Inder)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Re: How do I use an incrementing value within a macro?
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:07:11 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, University of Edinburgh
In-reply-to: langlais@bnr.ca's message of 6 Oct 92 13:55:07 GMT


I once needed to play similar games, and wrote the following.
No promises about style, reliability or whatever....

Just use the "insert counter" command in a normal keyboard macro.
Repeating the macro inserts a different number each time.

Robert.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
;;;  This file contains some simple functions for providing the
;;;  user with access to a counter, for use in keyboard macros and
;;;  the like.
;;;
;;;  ESC := sets the counter to its argument, or 1
;;;  ESC + increments the counter by its argument, or 1
;;;  ESC * inserts counter value, and if no argument, increments it

;;;  The counter is called, imaginatively, "user-counter"

(defvar user-counter 1 "*Scratch counter for user while writing")

(make-variable-buffer-local 'user-counter)


(defun user-counter-set (initial) 
   "Set the user-counter to the argument value (default 1)"
  (interactive "p")
  (setq user-counter initial))

(defun user-counter-increment (inc)
   "Increments the user-counter by teh argument value, if given, or 1"
  (interactive "p")
  (setq user-counter (+ user-counter inc)))

(defun user-counter-insert (no-increment)
  (interactive "*P")
  (insert (format "%d" user-counter))
  (if (not no-increment)
      (user-counter-increment 1)))


(define-key esc-map ":=" 'user-counter-set)
(define-key esc-map "+" 'user-counter-increment)
(define-key esc-map "*" 'user-counter-insert)

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From: speno@barracuda.rutgers.edu (John P. Speno)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Replacing RET and TAB
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:16:21 GMT
Distribution: comp.emacs
Organization: Rutgers University -- Camden, New Jersey.


How can I use replace-string to replace newline characters (^M)? I've
tried to use C-q RET in the replace buffer but that doesn't do it.
While I'm asking, how would you do it for TAB characters as well?

I just don't want to learn sed when I can do it with emacs.

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: rick@mel1.geg.mot.com (Rick Rankin)
Subject: shell programming mode
Organization: Motorola, inc. - Scottsdale, AZ
Distribution: comp
Date: 08 Oct 92 17:46:27 GMT

Some time ago, I remember reading about an emacs mode for shell
programming.  Does anyone know where I can find the appropriate lisp
code.  Any help would be appreciated.

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: maxie@cso.geg.mot.com (Michael Maxie x8958)
Subject: C++ mode
Organization: Motorola GEG, Scottsdale, Az.
Distribution: comp
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:26:31

Can someone send me a C++ mode .el file?

Thanks,
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From: jackr@wpd.sgi.com (John "Jack" Repenning)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Re: Ftp in M-x shell: problems
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:15:39 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dblues.wpd.sgi.com
In-reply-to: dony@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca's message of Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:47:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.154953.2259@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> dony@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Bob Dony) writes:

   I'm running GNU Emacs 18.57.6 compiled for "silicon-graphics-unix"
   under IRIX Release 4.0.5 System V and I'm having problems with the
   shell (M-x shell) and process buffer.  ... This is a real PITA
   since I can't run ange-ftp ...

We have the same problem here at SGI (and *everyone* needs ange-ftp!).
We haven't been able to solve it yet, unfortunately, but there is a
work around.  The problem arises when pty's are left in certain
states, as can arise when a window runs as root.  The attached script
uses "script" to allocate pty's, then frees them.  This seems to fix
the problem for me (until the next root login).  When you have trouble
with ange-ftp or M-x shell:

	- delete the associated Emacs buffer (the *shell* or *ftp ...
	  one)

	- run this script (as yourself)


Jack Repenning			1-875	     jackr@wpd.sgi.com
Silicon Graphics, Inc.		            Off:(415) 390-3027
Visual Magic Division			    Fax:(415) 390-6159

#!/bin/ksh

flags=?hdnv
usage="Usage: $0 [-$flags]"

if [ "$DEBUG" ] ; then
	set -$DEBUG
	: Debug enabled by envariable
fi

Usage () {
        echo "$usage"
        echo "	-?, -h	Help text (this stuff)."
        echo "	-d	Debug execution (lots of output)."
        echo "	-n	No-execute (echos what it would have done)."
        echo "	-v	Verbose (echos before doing things)."
}

Do () {
        [[ ! -z "$verbose" || ! -z "$noexecute" ]] && echo >&2 "$@"
        [[ -z "$noexecute" ]] && "$@"
        typeset evalstatus=$?
        [[ ! -z "$noexecute" || $evalstatus = 0 ]]
}

verbose=
noexecute=
while getopts $flags flag; do
	case $flag in
	d)
		export DEBUG=xv
		set -$DEBUG
		: Debug enabled by command line
	        ;;
	h | \?)
	        Usage >&2
                exit 0
	        ;;
	n)
		noexecute=-n
	        ;;
	v)
                verbose=-v
                ;;
	esac
done

while ((OPTIND > 1)) ; do
        shift
        ((OPTIND-=1))
done


#
# Change the limits here to match your parameter list length
# requirements.
#

if (($# == 0)) ; then

        Do /usr/bsd/script |&
        proc=$!
        Do $0 ${verbose:+-v} 10

elif (($1 == 0)) ; then

        killall script
        killall ${0##*/}

else

        Do /usr/bsd/script |&
        proc=$!
        Do $0 ${verbose:+-v} $(($1 - 1))

fi
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From: rossini@biosun4.harvard.edu (Anthony Rossini)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help,comp.text.tex
Subject: auctex-6.1
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:52:55 GMT
Followup-To: comp.emacs 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Biostat Dept, HSPH, Boston MA, USA.


Does anyone have any customization for the auctex-6.1 emacs tex package so
that it will handle SliTeX documents properly?  The "%% Master" flag helps
with getting the proper document "TeX'd", but is there any way of having the
package execute slitex in this situation?   It probably is a simple few
lines of elisp code, but I havn't yet been able to make it work properly,
yet.... (though I do want to get this problem fixed...)

thanks,

-tony

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From: jing@hobart.cs.umass.edu (Yufeng Jing)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Re: Ftp in M-x shell: problems
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:34:51 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
In-reply-to: dony@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca's message of 7 Oct 92 16:47:44 GMT


I would like to recommend you "ange-ftp" which is quite good. Here is a ftp
site you can try.

Good luck.


************************* FTP information ***********************************
The latest version of ange-ftp should always be available for anonymous
FTP from 
     alpha.gnu.ai.mit.edu
in the file 
     ange-ftp/ange-ftp.tar.Z
(which includes both `ange-ftp.el' and this texinfo file.) In ange-ftp
notation, that's
     /anonymous@alpha.gnu.ai.mit.edu:ange-ftp/ange-ftp.tar.Z

Alternatively, ange-ftp is also part of the Emacs-Lisp Archive
on
`archive.cis.ohio-state.edu'. The latest version should always be
available on this site, but the Lisp-Code Directory entry is not always
up to date; it currently reads:
     ange-ftp (3.112)  91-08-12
      Andy Norman, <ange@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
      archive.cis.ohio-state.edu:
        /pub/gnu/emacs/elisp-archive/as-is/ange-ftp.el.Z
     transparent FTP Support for GNU Emacs

Ange-ftp can also be found at:
     ugle.unit.no:/pub/gnu/emacs-lisp/ange-ftp.el.Z
*************************** End here ******************************************

In article <1992Oct7.154953.2259@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> dony@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Bob Dony) writes:
Path: dime!nic.umass.edu!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!torn!maccs!mcshub!nimios!dony
   From: dony@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Bob Dony)
   Newsgroups: comp.emacs
   Date: 7 Oct 92 16:47:44 GMT
   Sender: usenet@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca
   Organization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster Univ
   Lines: 24
   Nntp-Posting-Host: nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca

   I'm running GNU Emacs 18.57.6 compiled for "silicon-graphics-unix"
   under IRIX Release 4.0.5 System V and I'm having problems with the
   shell (M-x shell) and process buffer.  When I'm running ftp in the
   shell, I either get nothing or just the numbered messages when I use
   the -v (verbose) option.  I do not see the ftp> prompt.  The program
   does accept and execute input commands (ls, get, cd, ...).  

   I've written a test program which alternates writing to stdout &
   stderr and when I run it under the shell, the order of the output is
   changed: stderr first, then stdout.  I don't know if this means
   anything.

   This is a real PITA since I can't run ange-ftp (transparent ftp file
   access for Emacs file functions - a very nice extension).  Any ideas
   out there?  I didn't install Emacs nor will I be able to make any
   fixes to it - just a user :-)

   Thanks in advance.

   -- 
   Bob Dony, Ph.D. Student                           dony@nimios.Eng.McMaster.CA
   Communications Research Laboratory                      +1 416 525 9140 x7282
   McMaster University, 1280 Main Street West                                   
   Hamilton Ontario CANADA  L8S 4K1                                             
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Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: uEmacs 3.8b emacs.rc examples needed
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 22:50:25 GMT
Followup-To: comp.emacs
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, Canada

I have installed MicroEmacs 3.8b under SCO XENIX 2.3.2, and would like to
see some relatively simple :-) emacs.rc files. I've tried building a few,
but uEmacs seems to ignore them.

The emacs.C file notes the control file is named emacs.rc, but I can't seem
to get it to pay any attention to my attempts at building one :-(

I'd appreciate it if anyone using 3.8b would email me their control files,
so I can learn by example...


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