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From: mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema)
Subject: Re: New Performa Macs
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:07:15 GMT

ccb8m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy) writes:

>Sears is carrying the 200 and 400 P-Macs.  Retail on a 400 is $1495 +
>$395 for the 14" low end RGB monitor.  Euck!  The pricing I've heard
>for the Amiga 4000 averages out around $3600 w/RGB.  A3000 25MHz
>systems w/50M HD are going for $2200 including monitor!  Comparing
>the specs II LC -vs- A3000, the A3000 leaves the Performa 400 in the
>dust, at an equivalent price!  (Math CoProcessor, full 32bit arch,
>custom chips w/DMA for sound/graphics, stereo sound, faster SCSI, faster
>68030 clock, etc...)  PLUS, you can turn a 3000 into a II classic, but
>ya can't turn a Mac into an amiga.  (Actually performance is probably
>equivalent to IIsi, but w/ mono graphics I chose "II classic".)

>Charles C. Bundy IV


 Just wanted to correct you. A3000/25/50 is now $1499 w/o monitor.

Mubashir.
From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:24:56 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Sep28.095423.164655@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> rws@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
> In article <1992Sep25.180152.21225@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
> > kontos@clipper.ingr.com (Thorne Kontos) writes:
> > : HEY COMMODORE, PAY ATTENTION ...
> > : 
> > : My opinions for what they are worth...
> > : 
> > : 1) Minimum CPU in any of your systems ... 68030. If a company like
> > :    Atari can follow Apple's lead, then so should you. 
> > 
> > Atari followed Apple quite well - Apple offered a 16 bit system with
> > 32 bit CPU and Atari cripples it's system by only having a single bus
> > for both graphics and programs - in any case the system crawls...
> 
> This really is the worst thing atari could have done, there should have been a
> fast ram type system so the processor could get on with whatever while the ST
> RAM was being chewed up by the display.  Incidentally this is also the worst
> design feature of the archimedes, however on the low end machine this is
> minimised by the fact that the ARM2 only needs 8Mhz to get its 4.5 MIPS.  On
> the ARM3 machines I beleive the built in cache helps with the bus contention
> issue.  Any real figures on how much the falcon is affected for each display
> mode?

Is this problem caused because TOS doesn't know anything about "MEMF_CHIP"
type stuff?  It would then be very hard to make a fastram type deal, hence
"falcon" and "TT" memory.  Add fastmem and *bang*, your programs die.
Fortunately the Amiga had it's pains with that around 5 years ago, and even
Eurogames can cope with non-chip memory being in the system now.

Glenn Doiron
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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Subject: Re: My next machine: Amiga or PC Clone? Help me out.
Organization: McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:25:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.180146.19185@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <1992Sep26.143209.4293@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep25.210439.28123@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>>>>My question is this: given that I'm going to be doing heavy scientific
>>>>computing, but I also really _love_ to play good games (particularly flight
>>>>sims), what computer should I buy?  Should I go with the OS I like and know,
>>>>in the Amiga, or should I go for the lower-priced, better supported PC clones?
>>>
>>>	I'd say get the Dell 66/486DX2, but add 4 more meg of ram so you can 
>>>  run OS2 2.0.  That way you can have it all, great OS, great support, and
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>			                       ^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Oh, you mean the pre-release of Windows NT?  Or do you mean waiting for the
>>retail release?
>>
>>You don't mean DOS, Win3.1, or OS/2, do you?
>
>Sheesh, don't be such a horse's ass.  Gregory G. Greene outright said
>OS/2 2.0. Gimme a break.

Whinnnn-eeeee....  fart!  <--- appropriate horse's ass sound effects

>Besides, 8 megs would proably run NT too slowly. :-)

Probably.  I don't think you're going to be comfortable with less than 12MB,
and probably not happy with less than 16MB...  at least I wouldn't be...

>
>> Jerry Kuch (jerry@cs.mcgill.ca) ---- PUT YOUR HAND INSIDE THE PUPPET HEAD.
>-- 
>*Dan Stephenson   das9674@usl.edu  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Subject: a4000 specs? who know
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:58:52 EST


MN>   Actually, I agree.  I have no opposition whatsoever to IDE in low-end
MN>systems.  But putting IDE into high-end systems is a travesty beyond words.


 For what reason is an IDE controller bad in a high end system. The way I see
it you can always add a SCSI controller to your Amiga 4000. GVP has been using
IDE drives with their accelerators for the past 2 years and I haven't seen
anyone complain about them! And their accelerator drives sport one of the
fastest read/write transfer rates.
 
 If Commodore had included a SCSI controller in the Amiga 4000 they would have
had to raise the price quite a bit. People would have also been upset that
Commodore added a regular SCSI device instead of the new SCSI II interface. 
 
 The way the A4000 is set up now, you can go out and buy a SCSI II controller
when it's made available. You won't have to buy a Commodore controller if you
don't like the specs because there will be plenty of 32 bit SCSI II controllers
manufactured by 3rd party companies. The competition will also bring the price
down.
 
 If you want to get an idea of how much they would have to raise the price of
an Amiga 4000 with a SCSI controller, show around for a 32 bit SCSI controller
for the IBM!

          robert.buonincontro&canrem.com
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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:22:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.gjlzq-m
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <1992Sep29.021719.21084@ra.msstate.edu>, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
|> In article <1a8a84INN17j@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
|> >danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
|> >: Ratios are just plain stupid in most applications. It's STILL cheap, and 
|> >:as a portion of the entire computer's cost it is inconsequential. You wanna
|> >:play number games? OK.. If a 68000 A500 costs $400, and a 68020-based A500 
|> >:would c $500, ISN'T it 125% better????? I'd say it's more than TWICE as good!
|> >
|> >Wrong again, unfortunately.  If the cost to build the system raised by
|> >$100, the system's cost itself would likely raise by $200-300.
|> 
|> Anyone know how much it would really cost to design, develop, produce, and
|> market the 020 or 030 base A600 that people seem to want?  I'm curious.

Me too... I still wanna find out the real price of the chip! (I'm now sticking 
my estimate for the '020 at $75 bulk, much more realistic...)

|> The A3000 at $1499 is a great deal, even when compared to the hordes of
|> clones.  I used to wish that C= would can the A2000 and replace it with
|> an A3000 with no hard drive, one of the cut-down 030s, no 881/882, and
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

AAAAUUUGHHHHH!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO! We just got through this one! PLEEEZE don't
listen to him! He's sick inna' head.

(Can you *IMAGINE* a mid/high-end computer with a 68030 and no HARD DRIVE??

AUGH.

(I could live with the no-math-chip deal... as long as they left a socket...)

I've been pushing for Commodore to forget all along that you can BUY an Amiga
without a hard drive. I think WB and a lot of the other Commodore software would
be a lot nicer if they'd just state outright "no, it doesn't run off floppies"
and then stop worrying about it...

|> Skip Sauls
|> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
Keywords: The worse part is I have the cash for the A4000
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:14:12 GMT

andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:
>[...]
>People complain about not having DIG, and now they want C= to release 

This has nothing to do with any future RTG programming incompatibility.

Go back and read Thorne's posting again.  There are valid reasons for
having easy access to low-level chip information:  third-party addons,
repair diagnosis, hobbyist experimentation, and yes, direct-to-the-metal
programming by companies with special applications.

As I said, the info will get out sooner or later, anyway.  Better for
Commodore to make money off the information than someone else.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:58:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.38906
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

>:You PC guys have all the luck.

><Sigh>.  The _special_ motherboard socket is designed to take ANOTHER CPU
>in addition to the one already in the system when you get it.

Which, the PC's or the Amiga?  I know Amigas do this, but I have no
clue what happens in the PC world.  (The guy who wrote the
"all the luck" was being sarcastic)
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AGA hidden registers - C= is giving me an attitude
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 92 19:57:35 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

> I hope some happy hardware hacker posts the AGA hidden
>registers to every net he can find. This would definitely serve
>Commodore a bit of their own medicine...

Yea. That would show them.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Subject: NOTE CONCERNING AMIGA and LANGUAGES...
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:09:04 GMT

     To everyone arguing over the standards of how a number should be
written where...
   
     Do anyone care to try CHINESE or JAPANESE?
  
     :-) :-) :-)
  
                                                        -TKH '92
From: ef23+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eugene M. Feinberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: such a rumor
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:42:14 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 06-Oct-92 in such a rumor                 
user ADVISOR Tamir@zach.fit.e writes:
>OK netters here it is:  C= releases the new amiga with a 64 bit CPU
bus.  C= ha
>s also announced that it has *something* in the works with DIGITAL,
(yes the ca
>ps are intentional :-).  DIGITAL has announced their new 64 bit risk
processor,
> teh alpha, (apparently the best thing since beer in cans!)  So is it
possible?
> An alpha based amiga, (insert angelic choir here)???  I know their are
some DI
>GITAL affiliated folks out their, please stop this horrible rumor befor
it goes
> any further.
> 
>No flames please, (WELL I CAN ASK CAN'T I)

About three weeks ago, I went to a talk given by a guy from Dec talking
about the new Alpha chip, how it works, how it was developed, and what's
being done with it.  He showed videos from Dec with the engineers 
explaining how the chip worked.  It is an amazing little piece of silicon.
The top models run at 200Mhz and the next generation will run 400mhz.

One of the engineers at Dec did an experiment to show the versitility of
the Alpha.  He ordered parts from Computer Shopper and assembled an IBM
clone system with an Alpha board running Unix in a matter of a week or
so.  The specs on the chip are relly mind boggling, but the current 
generation is only a subset of the total design capabilities.

An Alpha based Amiga?  I asked the Dec representative about the agreement
signed by Commodore and Dec.  He replied, "What does Commodore make these
days anyway, PC Clones?"  His best guess was that it was to utilize 
distribution channels.  Somehow, that doesn't seem like the most obvious
answer.  

Eugene M. Feinberg
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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 4 Oct 1992 07:34:19 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Summary: You need to end this really obnoxious habit of screwing up

In article <1992Oct3.194904.32308@news.th-darmstadt.de> wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!) writes:

>Hey Greg, it's called a signal processor, not a signal storer. That means you
>get input, possibly save a piece of it for analysis, and write it as output
>and then forget it. You don't run a desktop on it, you don't run a complete
>raytracer on it (maybe the raytracing engine you could put in there) and
>you don't compile C on it. the 65K maxes out at 65Kwords for each of the three
>address spaces anyhow. 

First: It's a 56K+1.  5-6-0-0-1.  That's so people don't get confused,
and misinformation doesn't get spread around.

Second:  You don't run raytracers on an integer-based DSP and expect
to beat the 030 you've already got sitting there.

Third:  I _KNOW_ the limitations of the DSP.  I'm not knocking the
IMPLEMENTATION, I'm knocking the CHOICE.  I believe that the AT&T
chips are much better.  And when I say this, I knock the DSP boards
available for the Amiga.

Fourth:  It's easily possible for audio data in stereo to be too large
forthat ram.  I'm still waiting to hear on real hardware
specifications, I've received none, and I've asked the Atari people
themselves to no avail.

Nobody knows anything.  And anyone who buys something they don't know
enough about is asking to be screwed.  Not that it's wrong to ask for,
but it's certainly not the kind of question you should be asking
anyone other than the partner of your choice.  :)

>Also the recurrent theme in this newsgroup (wishful thinking BTW) that the
>65K is not a powerful chip, is bullshit. There are obviously better (and much

As far as I know, it's not powerful at all.  I don't believe a 65K is
made by motorola.  Now, a 6500, perhaps.

>more expensive chips) but that chip still cooks. Especially with 30+Mhz!

And there are chips of roughly equivalent price that eat the 56001
alive.  The 56001 is really best for audio processing, when it comes
down to it.  If you can help it, it's something you never want to try
to do floating point ops with.

Software support in the OS is again totally up in the air.  They're
not even SHIPPING MultiTos yet, who the hell knows what kind of OS
support they'll have for it.  And not having OS support is a bad
thing:  Look where not having an OS got IBM's?  Everybody runs their
own support code, everyone hits the hardware.  (I'm not referring to
OS/2.)

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From: mike@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Smithwick)
Subject: WOC Videotapes at FAUG
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:07:19 GMT

[]

I'll be showing my videotapes of the Pasadena WOC at the next meeting of
the First Amiga Users Group next Tuesday, October 5, at 7:30. It is held
at HT Electronics, 275 N. Mathilda Ave, Sunnyvale.

Mike

 



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: AmigaDOS differences-
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:44:16 GMT

In article <35371@cbmvax.commodore.com>, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:

|> >If CBM had designed the packaging of the A3000 better then dealers wouldnt 
|> >charge A3000 owners $20 - $30 more than they do A2000 owners to install 
|> >memory and accelerator boards because the A3000 is so hard to take apart. 
|> 
|> If they do that, they're gouging.  The A3000 isn't any tougher to take apart
|> than the A2000 if you're going for the covered part of the motherboard.  It's
|> just that there's relatively little to put there on the A2000, since we didn't
|> leave you any empty sockets, and the A2000's coprocessor slot was simple
|> enough to handle conventional edge-connector cards.  If the A3000's CPU slot
|> was annoying to deal with, try installing hard disks and floppies in the
|> A2000.  That casework just plain stunk.  Leaked EMI like a sieve, too, whereas
|> the A3000 case is real quiet.  
|> 
|> If anyone's interested, they resolved both of these complaints on the A4000.

Bless the A4000 case designers! You should see the ribbon-cable mess inside my
A2000! 2 hard drives and 2 floppy drives will do that...

Now, how about the fan? Still grunge up once a year or so?

BTW: I know this is the wrong area, but is the A2000 fan "standard" equipment? 
I'd assume Commodore didn't have a fan built Just For Them... so I **SHOULD**
be able to get a replacement at some place like Radio Shack, if I know the 
power requirements and approx. speed...

Riiiight?

|> -- 
|> Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Cool Advanced High-End Systems You Can't See Yet)
|>  "The Crew That Never Rests"  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh   BIX: hazy
|>              "You lie so much you believe yourself" -Metallica

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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaDOS differences-
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:33:33 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

stelmack@eggo.tmc.edu (Gregory M. Stelmack) writes:

>I thought it was so neat when Carrier Command (from WAY back) worked greate
>on my 68030 / 2.04 Amiga 2000 -- someone back then new how to write proper
>software. Even if it doesn't install on my harddrive :(

Wait, you sure about that?  How come my version of Carrier Command doesn't 
work with my 020/030???

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:17:32 GMT

Frank R. Dana Jr. (danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
: Yep, sorry! Like if you wanted a 486 in your 386 IBM, you'd need a new mother-
: board. Get used to it.

We don't have to.  The PC clone makers have become innovative and made it
so a system can be upgraded by just replacing the CPU card or just adding
a CPU to a special motherboard socket.

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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:54:13 EDT
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari BLiTTER
 <1992Sep30.124519.25781@eng.umd.edu> <u894776.717859700@bruny>

In article <u894776.717859700@bruny>, u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James
McCoull) says:

>        Now I've got that out of my system are it might be a good time for
>discussion on possible features that could be added to the amigas blitter.

>o. Interleaved bitplane support:

>        Consider ye-olde traditional cookie cut blit.  The "mask" is
>read once for each bitplane - the aim is to reduce this to reading the mask
>only once.  It might be useful to be able to hold a complete "horizontal-line"
>of one of the input sources, and associate a counter with it.  This way in
>an interleaved bitplane - it would be possible to read each line of the mask
>once for each destination line (irrespective of the depth of this destination
>line).

There are perhaps better ways to go about blitting.. consider the TI
graphics chips (which have bitblt as one instruction in the instruction set :))
There is a mode where you can say "if the byte is zero, don't write it to
the destination". (Assumes byte-per-pixel chunky). No need for a mask at all.
Further, the destination memory does not need to be read (it's easy in
hardware to write selected bytes). The TI chips also take full advantage of
page-mode DRAM/VRAM access. Then there's the special fill instruction that
can write 128-bits at a time (using a feature of VRAMs)...think of the vector
demos you could do with that puppy. :-)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin E. Black)
Subject: Re: Low End AGA Machine
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:16:02 GMT

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>
>>Why would an ec030 or an 020 be any cheaper.  I can pick up a 50mhz 030 for 
>>$150US.  Now how much cheaper could it be for 020 maybe $80US.  And these 
>>are prices for a consumer that wants only one.  For a company that can buy
>>in bulk the price difference drops even more.  

>Two things to consider :

>1.  The 50MHz 030 CPU board requires parts that also work at 50MHz, unless
>    you do things like Apple and the Clone makers do.  Commodore seems to 
>    have a pretty good policy against overclocking, forcing 32bit machines
>    to use 16bit data paths, and other hacks.

>2.  A $100 savings for C= can end up being a $300-$500 savings for the buyers.
>    While this may not seem like a lot in a $3000-$4000 system, it will be
>    quite significant in the price of a $1000-$2000 system.

My point was, you could buy the same clock speed 030 than an 020.  That is a 
25mhz 030 so not cause problems of overclocking or high current rates.

And the price to them wouldn't be worth it.  But hey they do silly things anyway
So if they intro an 020 machine and get flack for it, it wouldn't be something
new to them.  I certainly wouldn't buy an 020, with no mmu.  

Marty


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