HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Headaches during major fasts (was: Smoking ...)
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:56:09 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)

In article <57441@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, hrubin@pop (Herman Rubin) writes:
>>Filling up on starches (potatoes, noodles, etc) are a good idea, as they
>>take longer to break down.

>This could be considered as old doctor's tales.  Anyhow, about 10 years
>ago, this was thoroughly debunked, and the articles appeared in refereed
>conservative medical and scientific journals.  [...]

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.  The aim is not to slow
down digestion so much as to plan for your reserves.  You're right about
fats, though, I should have mentioned them.  Beans and breads should be
minimized on non-nutritional grounds: they make you feel full.

But the actual details are not as important as your own psychological
readiness.  Hunger is partly real, partly mental.  Most Americans seem
not used to going even a half-hour without some kind of munchies.  Hence
my point about those who daven late without eating Shabbos morning.

>Due to my own medical conditions, it is important for me to know this.

Of course, anyone with medical conditions should ignore my blather.  No
strategy can eliminate the "real" hunger towards the end of a 25+-hour
fast, just delay it so that the "mental" hunger can be more easily turned
off.  And if a "real" hunger is dangerous to you, no amount of "mental"
hunger suppression will prevent that.

>Caffeine withdrawal headaches are well documented, even if they are not
>associated with fasts.

Right.  The point is to not get caught with such a headache on YK.  Not
only is that a lousy way to ruin YK, taking medicine is problematical.

Another issue is the breakfast.  It's quite common for people to gorge
themselves silly afterwards, and then be sick for a day or two.  I think
hot bean soups with light breads are the best bet--you want to eat lightly,
so these foods fool you into eating less than your American mind is telling
you to.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
From: davidba@carmel.technion.ac.il (David Ben_Ami)
Subject: Re: Muslims killed in Yeguslavia
Organization: Technion, Israel Inst. of Technology
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:39:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug08.150753.18802@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>>=>"Six Million Muslims do not have to be slaughtered before Jews protest
>>=>at this brutal carnage, and this we do with that sense of outrage we
>>=>wish had been manifest when Krystallnacht took place in Germany on
>>=>November 8, 1938 - when Jewish shop windows were smashed as a precursor
>>=>to the systematic murder of Jews."
>>
>>Err, hang on a minute - we've just heard from a lot of people who say that
>>as of 1941, when LEHI proposed a pact with the Nazis, there wasn't much of
>>a reason for them not to do so. And now Krystallnacht is being quoted as
>>a gross act of anti-semitism which should have provoked an international
>>response. Boy, is this confusing!!
>>
>>Trivium: When were "concentration camps" invented? I thought it was by the
>>British in S. Africa, but I gather that the Spanish used them before, I
>>forget where, and that they invented the name for them (in Spanish, obviously ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>-Jeremy Henderson        egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk
>
>Using the concentration camps by the British or Spanish before does not make
>it right for the Germans or the Serbian to use them. Did you see the stomach
>of the man who shook hands with the journalist from ITN? he probably did not
>have anything to eat for days.
>
>I admire Jews who are speaking up against these camps even though the Bosnians
>are Moslems.

Last Tuesday there was a big demonstartion of Arabs and Jews in the
village of Tira in Israel. they both called on the UN and the
governments of the west to stop the bloodshed in Bosnia-Herzogovina.

Many Jews are having trouble to condemn the Serbs because they have a 
very kind memory of the Serbs helping Jews and suffering under Nazi
and Croatian pro-Nazi oppression and prosecution. After hearing that 
the Concentration camps are possibly coming to life again, there was 
a big outcry in the Jewish Public and govt. this included formal acts
(foreign Minister , special mission to Sarajevo headed by MK Sarid,
organizing humanitarian - mainly medical - help) , a great outcry of
public opinion ensued (like the demonstration mentioned above).

>Nabil Idriss                           |       FOR EVERY ACTION AN OPPOSITE

David.
-- 
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  David Ben-Ami (irc: bigdav)      |   "I can resist anything but Temptation"
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Subject: Re: Supplemental v Day Schools
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:22:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.075346.11191@midway.uchicago.edu> clmn@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <765194d4814378t77@witsend.uucp> dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions) writes:
>
>Quoting me:
>
>>  What of the adults who want their children, or at least their
>>  grandchildren, to  have more choices?  Kids are CRUEL, folks.
>>  They'll pick on ANY difference to cut other kids down.  If you
>>  take a child whose parents make a late commitment to Jewish
>>  education (say, third grade) and place him in a dayschool
>>  remedial program, what kind of experience is an already
>>  self-conscious kid going to have?
>>
>>  (I can smell the flames already: OF COURSE the parents should
>>  have had the kid in dayschool from day one.  OF COURSE they are
>>  unconscionably derelict in their parental duties.  OF COURSE they
>>  must be the lowest of the low to neglect their kids this way.
>>  Naturally, we make sure they know what scum they are, and
>>  they thank us for our concern and ask for more help.  NOT!)
>>
>>  So do we write them off instead?
>
>This is really a new one on me.  I've seen NO evidence of children
>acting this way.  Here in Chicago, Russian immigrant children with zero
>background are entering the day school system at all grade levels, from
>high school on down.  Getting them up to speed is not easy but the schools
>try very hard.  Parents who opt for day schools at a late date are, in my
>experience, treated more like heros than scum.
>
>-- 
>Bill Coleman
>clmn@midway.uchicago.edu

I would have to say that based on the people that I have met in
Baltimore coming in at all levels, Bill is a lot closer to what is
going on.  Perhaps it is a function of the community, but a number
of families have moved in and been accepted with open arms.  The
children in the upper grades have helped tutor those who need it
and there are shiurim for the parents as well.

_______________________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz        |    Im ain ani li mi li             |
| H_Markowitz@att.com     |    Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha      |
|_________________________|____________________________________|
From: sk4t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen D Kurtz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: D.C. Roomate Needed!!!
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:58:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YeYfMG200UhW05A0ce
Organization: Masters student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

My 23 year old Brother is looking for a Kosher roomate in the D.C. area.
 He is entering Georgetown School of Foreign Affairs and is looking to
live in the area with one or more roomates. He is looking immediately!!!
 Contact me by email or by phone in Pittsburgh @ 412-422-4121.

Thanks,
   Steve
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Headaches during major fasts (was: Smoking ...)
From: dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions)
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:26:45 GMT
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.03

In <1992Aug12.194536.20509@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)  wrote:
# Anyone had a headache on Tisha B`Av?  Or Yom Kippur?
# 
# Might be caffeine withdrawal.   Causes headaches.
# 
# If you are someone who has to have a daily shot(s) of caffeine,
# consider cutting back a week or so before a fast day.  It could
# really reduce headaches.

  It could also be blood sugar.  Avoiding sweets for a few days in
  advance seems to help; the meal before fasting should be more
  oriented towards protein than carbs.  (I could have this wrong;
  check competant MEDICAL, not Rabbinical, authorities.)

  Then again, it could be dehydration.  I regularly get killer sinus
  headaches when fasting (so bad that I checked into getting patch meds).
  It turns out that there are a few simple precautions:

  1) Get plenty of water the day before.  To make sure you can retain
     some of it have more salt than usual, too.
  2) Keep your sinuses from drying out.  This may mean anything from
     an air humidifier to my old standby of breathing in the vapors
     from hot tap water every time I'm near a tap.
  3) In extremis, I was told that (note specificity here) I was
     OK to use nasal sprays.  Amazing what a saline mist can do,
     but for YK you'll need to plan ahead.  Decongestants will do
     even more than saline, but are undesirable for other reasons.

---
--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
--- Note new network address:                    dcs@witsend.uucp ---
--- And if that doesn't work:                dcs@witsend.tnet.com ---
--- There never was any correspondence between my views and SCI's ---
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: targeting Jews (was Re: more of ...can of worms....)
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:36:15 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Aug19.124103.5006@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.010453.29031@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
>dweinste@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Weinstein) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug17.192210.15830@njitgw.njit.edu>
>>dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:

>>#There's a difference between forcing your groups beliefs on outsiders
>>#and forcing them on insiders.  I would agree if you meant
>>#proselytizing non-Jews, but there is nothing wrong with Jews trying to
>>#get other Jews to be more Jewish.  THIS is Judaism, which has never
>>#esposed personal freedom as a cornerstone of its religion, unlike the
>>#USA.

>>Ok, where do you start drawing the line between insiders and outsiders?
>>Is it alright to target Jews from Conservative or Reform or Reconstructionist
>>background? What about targetting College Freshmen, who are reasonably
>>"open" (or vulnerable) to such prosyletization (whether from Jewish or
>>non-Jewish sources). What about people who are halachically Jewish but
>>have never been exposed to Judaism? What about people who have chosen
>>a different religion? What about those people's children if they are
>>halachically Jewish?

>Because the people who care to help bring Jews back to Judaism only care
>to bring Jews back, I'd say anyone who is halachically Jewish is probably
>fair game.  Perusing your list, I see a strong probability that all those
>listed would be, in fact, halachically Jewish.

There is a difference between proselyting and attempting to force others.

We know from the writings of many that there was no single Judaism near
the end of the time of the Temple.  Even now, there are differences among
the Orthodox, even among the Chassidim.  

There are many of us posting here who believe that we are practicing what
God has meant for us to do, but who do not accept Orthodoxy.  What is more
Jewish?  According to many posting here, it is the detailed observance of
what they call halakhah; those of us who disagree do not deny them their
right to do so.  But even within halakhah there are restrictions on 
forcing others; Hillel summarized Judaism as 

	What is hateful unto thee, do not unto thy neighbor.

Would you not object to your neighbor imposing judgments with which you
disagree on you?
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
From: moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Thanks
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:09:17 GMT
Organization: CICB, Universite' de Rennes I, FR


thanks for everybody who have talked to me about Hebrew language,
judaism.
I am somewhat less ignorant about your religion and your culture.

 -Herve-
From: moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: is the hebrew language a new language?
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:17:17 GMT
Organization: CICB, Universite' de Rennes I, FR

i had read that the hebrew language spoken in Israel was a language
almost died when state of israel was founded in 1949 .

can somebody explain to me the story of this language ?
 
how many people speak this language in israel ?
(is it maternal language of some people ?)

excuse me for my ignorance.

Thank you.
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: targeting Jews
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:33:30 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <57357@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>There is a difference between proselyting and attempting to force others.
>
>We know from the writings of many that there was no single Judaism near
>the end of the time of the Temple.  Even now, there are differences among
>the Orthodox, even among the Chassidim.  

OK, I haven't spoken up again so far, because the responses have
agreed with my beliefs.  But this does not.  Judaism definitely
believes in being kind to neighbors.  And an Orthodox Jew who tries to
FORCE a belief on a non-Orthodox Jew is violating a relatively
important commandment.

This aside, as long as the "target" doesn't get offended, there isn't
much of a problem.  For instance, if I'm out with a reform Jew and we
go into a McDonalds (I'm not Orthodox, I'll eat a fish sandwich from
McD's) and my friend gets a bacon-burger, I'll discuss it with
him/her.  If he/she says something like "I know it's not allowed, I'm
eating it anyway", I'll let it go and not bring the subject up again.
But very often, I get responses of "Gee, I didn't know, tell me more"
or "Oops, I forgot, I'll do better next time".  It's for those people
that gentle prodding in the right direction is good.

I hope nobody sees anything wrong with this attitude.

>There are many of us posting here who believe that we are practicing what
>God has meant for us to do, but who do not accept Orthodoxy.  What is more
>Jewish?

But there are a great many Jews in all movements who simply did not
learn much about Judaism.  And there are those who want to learn more
but are unable to.  How many Reform and Conservative groups have study
sessions?  I know of very few.  Many want to learn, even though they
don't know it.  (see also: the four sons in the Passover Haggada)

>According to many posting here, it is the detailed observance of
>what they call halakhah; those of us who disagree do not deny them their
>right to do so.  But even within halakhah there are restrictions on 
>forcing others; Hillel summarized Judaism as 
>
>	What is hateful unto thee, do not unto thy neighbor.

If you know it's hateful.  It doesn't have to be.

>Would you not object to your neighbor imposing judgments with which you
>disagree on you?

If he wasn't being offensive, I'll let him talk.  Maybe he'll have
something to say that I think I should know.  If he doesn't say
anything, then it really doesn't affect me, now does it?

-- 
   |)  David Charlap           "I don't even represent myself
  /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu   sometimes so NJIT is right out!.
 ((|,)
  ~|~  Hi! I am a .signature virus, copy me into your .signature file.
From: rothberg@bimacs.BITNET (Danny Rothenberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Re; Should a Jew settle in Israel
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:28:08 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <199208171405.AA26822@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>
> In: <564@kesher.UUCP>
> aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel) explains a "great mitzvah":
>
>>In article <2434@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>>>
>>>Wow, finally an issue on which everyone's answer won't be predictable
>>>given their position on the OCR debate.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Of COURSE a Jew should settle in Israel.  It is a great mitzvah.  However,
>>due to the lack of extensive shopping malls and central airconditioning,
>>I have sincere doubts I'll ever get my wife to leave Dallas.....
>>
>>
>>--
>>| Aaron D. Schmiedel            |  All my opinions represent what is right
>>| KESHERnet International       |  and true.  Just ask me....
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>As Aaron invites  us just to ask him,  I shall do so.  What  is in the
>list of  mitzvot, ANY  of which if  a wife refuses  to perform  she is
>considered a moredet (rebellious) and thus should be divorced?
>
>Miqveh?   Keeping a kasher home?   Settling in Israel?
>

I do not know about the other two, but I do know that the third is a
reason for being allowed to divorce one's wife WITHOUT her receiving
any of the things (eg money) promised to her inthe ketubah (marriage
'contract').  But I am sure Micheal knew that already :-)

>Just curious.
>
>Michael Shimshoni


-Danny Rothenberg
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:09:12 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

If every Jew settled in Israel, even kicking out all the goyim in
Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank would not be adequate.  The limits
are quite real, and we cannot count on manna.

	"Pray as if everything depends on God;
	 act as if everything depends on you."
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Subject: Re: Are there any truly kosher butchers?
Reply-To: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Organization: Technion IIT, Haifa Israel
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:14:59 GMT


In article <1992Aug12.143348.3657@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, jgoldber@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
|>
|>   A weird thing happened to me when I went to get a chicken yesterday.
|>   The store owner wouldn't sell it to me until I had told him what
|>   torah I had learned that day. I told him Pesachin 49b, and so got
|>   the chicken. Anybody know how this idea is further developed?
|>
I do not know about further developed, but the basic idea is in the Talmud. In
several places, that I have seen, (masechet Brachot, and masechet Moed Katan) a
drosha of a tanna will be based on the verse that a student learned in talmud
tora that day.


--
________________________________________________________________________
|            Ben Pashkoff                 BEN@VMSA.TECHNION.AC.IL      |
|                                                                      |
| "There is nothing better for the body than silence." Pirke Avot 1:17 |
|______________________________________________________________________|

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: horen@rs.com (Jonathan B. Horen)
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Reply-To: horen@rs.com
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:02:03 PDT

In article 15624@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>>>>>>In article <-#!nfbp.yosi@netcom.com> yosi@netcom.com (Yosi Almog) writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What about you, do you think there is any importance for a jew to live
>>>>>>in Israel?
>>>>>
>>>>>You are asking the wrong person. However I will be honest with you and tell
>>>>>you my opinion. If you ask the question "Does a Jew have the right to live
>>>>>in Israel?" I would answer "A Jew have the right to live anywhere in the 
>>>>>world and so does anyone else". As far as is it important, I would say I don't
>>>>>know simply because I am not a Jew.
>>>>
>>>>Well, then, do I, as a Jew, have the right to live in Mecca? Do you think that
>>>>I have the right to go up onto the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, into the
>>>>Al-Aksa mosque, and worship in my Jewish way?
>>>>
>>>>Be honest.
>>>
>>>Well, I will be honest with you. If you tell me as a non-Jew that I am welcome
>>>to live anywhere in the World except that I am not allowed to enter a 
>>>synagogue or live in a certain area in Jerusalem that is sacred to Jews,
>>>I will gladly accept that. Not allowing non-muslims to live in Mecca 
>>>or go up onto the Temple Mount is a religious belief. You can do it if
>>>you convert to Islam and I think you don't have plans for that. 
>>
>>Can I, then, say that all of Israel is sacred to Jews, and that Muslims
>>cannot live there unless they convert to Judaism?
>
>Yes you can. Can I in return say that whole Jerusalem is sacred for Islam and
>non-Moslems are not allowed into Jerusalem?  

Nope. Given that Jerusalem is a subset of Israel (which you already agreed is 
sacred to Jews, and that Muslims cannot live there), it follows that Muslims
also cannot live in Jerusalem.


j.horen@rs.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Friday, 14 Aug 1992 17:26:11 EDT
From: RABBI CHARLES ARIAN <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Smoking during major fasts
 <1992Aug11.183431.26498@uc.msc.edu> <92224.190604CARIAN@auvm.american.edu
 <4109@bimacs.BITNET>

In article <4109@bimacs.BITNET>, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) says:
>
>In article <92224.190604CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
>CARIAN@auvm.american.edu (RABBI CHARLES ARIAN) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug11.183431.26498@uc.msc.edu>, saroff@uf.msc.edu (Stephen
>>Saroff) says:
>>>
>>>I would argue that since smoking is objectively bad for the body,
>>>with no redeming virtues, it is banned under halacha, period ;->.
>>
>>It's permissible as long as you sell your lungs to a non-Jew. :-)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>2. The whole article , even it ended with the smily simbol, does
>   supports the antisemitic message of that Shakespeer's-play.
>
No it doesn't. It supports the anti-Orthodox slander that they are more
interested in the "letter" than the "spirit" of the law and are overly
concerned with legalisms. Please get your stereotypes straight.

>3. Since no one uses his titles on this net, I understand that "RABBI"
>   is a last name, but readers who are not aware to the existance of
>   rare last name RABBI name may be confused.
Actually there are lots of people with the last name Rabbi or variants
thereof, including the current Prime Minister of Israel.

In my case the title is inserted automatically by the computer system and
I can't get it to change.

Actually it could be worse; I have an appointment from the University
in the Division of Student Life and the title to which I am appointed is
"Jewish Rabbi." Not that I've ever met a Gentile rabbi, but the machine
could have said "Jewish Rabbi Charles Arian."

Shalom,
Charles Arian                        Vashington Ha-Birah