From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 07:34:39 GMT

In <1992Dec24.205311.24318@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:


>  Not ridiculous, but merely pointing out the facts. As I said, last year's
>  whining by Niner fans set an r.s.f.p. record,

Can you document this fact?  Or is it merely your opinion?  Have you
stopped to consider facts like: what happened to the Niners last year
was one of the greatest collapses of expectations the league has seen in
years?  And thus, a record amount of whining was almost inevitable. 
Name another team in recent history that has: won their division for
nearly a decade straight, won two out of the three most recent
superbowls, and then collapsed completely and not even gone to the
playoffs.  I'm not talking about up & down teams like Cincy, or some of
the NFC East teams, who seem to have a habit of collapsing completely
after a year of great success.  I'm talking about a team that had made a
habit of being consistently good year in and year out.

Moreover, has anyone ever taught you how to use the 'n' key, or a kill
file?  If you don't like the whining, don't read it.  This is a much
more mature response than carrying a grudge for years afterwards.

> and it's pushed 49er fandom
>  so far into the "Go away, silly boys" category that it will take at least 
>  a couple of seasons of non-woofing non-whining to climb back to zero.

Ah, so you judge me by the actions of other SF fans.  Let me assure you,
I posted absolutely no whining last year.  I did suggest that the Niners
were probably the best team to miss the playoffs, and that they were
probably better than many teams that did make the playoffs.  If you
consider that whining, then so be it, but then, by that criteria, most
media analysts were also "niner.whiners".

If my attitude were as shallow as yours, I would judge that all Bills
fans (or whatever team it is that you're a fan of) are shallow, petty,
grudge-carrying jerks.  As it is, my opinion at the moment is that you
are shallow--I'm not going to extrapolate anything about the behavior of
anyone else from your insulting posts.  You're telling me that I'm gonna
have to make a special effort because of the behavior of other
individuals who, by pure coincedence, root for the same team I do. 
Well, screw you too, Jack!

 And,
>  of course, M. Gloria isn't helping.

So, you're saying that I'm an not just a whiner, but an asshole as well,
just because jpg is, and we're both fans of the same team.  Sheesh.

 Indeed, one stupid post from him negates the positive effect of several good
>  well-reasoned 49er fan posts.

You really think this way, eh?  I find this frightening.  Just how old
are you?

>  Do us all a favor -- tell the world that Gloria is actually a Saints fan in
>  disguise, trying to make 49ers fans look like idiots and nincompoops.

I might consider doing this, except for the fact that I simply don't
care.  I put him in my kill file, and as far as I'm concerned, that's
the end of the matter.  I highly recommend that you do the same, and
maybe you'll be able to calm down long enough to return to some measure
of rationality.

Heck, the least you could have done is comment on some of the more
football related quotes from my last post.  Like, hey, how 'bout them
Bills?  They're looking pretty good at the moment--the win over NO was
pretty good evidence that they're up for playing with some of the best
teams in the leauge at the moment.  They've beaten two of the three best
teams in the NFC this year.  

Or, if you wanna talk Niners, yeah, I was a little worried that they had
to struggle so to beat TB.  But the Niners seem to have a habit of
neglecting to get up for some of the weaker teams, while still playing
the big teams tough.  They lost to Phoe, but swept the series with NO. 
And they've managed to compile the best record in the NFL.  Yeah, I'm
worried, but not too worried.

Stop passing judgement on fans, and lets get back to discussing some
football here.  This is r.s.football.pro, not alt.flame.fanboys.
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