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From: gavin@tiger1.prime.com (Dave Gavin)
Subject: Re: john daly rippers!
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:41:02 GMT

  
>   trying to find help..Heck Who wouldn't want to knock back a few brews after
>   a bad round..I do after a good one... not to mention the fact that in the 
>   individual sports ( golf tennis bowling ) the amount of money you take home
>   is a direct reflection on how well you did your job during the week, they
>   don't pay much ( much = 0 ) for missing the cut. Imagine if your department
>   adopted that method.  
>     Life on the PGA isn't a bowl of cherries, there is a lot of pressure out
>    there...   That s why I'm not there ...  :-) ;-)
>    
> -- 
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> 
  
I imagine if all companies adopted that method....readership of
news would go waaaaaay down... :^]
From: jdd@duke.cs.duke.edu (John Dengler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: John Daly
Summary: blatant stupidity
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:50:58 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1ifrlmINN4k@chnews.intel.com>, bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
> In article <C0Fq3H.6nE@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott) writes:
> >You have to be kidding.  John Daly is absolutely the most popular new player
> >out there today.  Of course, he has his problems in the "gentlemenly" sport 
> >of golf.  But he is genuinely exciting to watch, confounding the experts with
> >his superlong drives and super quick play.
> 
> Jack Nicklaus is popular.
> 
> Tom Kite is popular.
> 
> Arnold Palmer is popular.
> 
> John Daly is populist.
> 
> We don't need this in golf; never have; never will.
> 
> Take the drugs and personality problems back to football,
> where they belong.
> 
> >The other obvious thing here is that his wife did not press charges.  How
> >can you deprive a person of a huge income when no charges have been filed?
> 
> Grow up.  And pray that she does, too.
> 
> 				--Blair
> 				  "You da slob."

Blair, keep your blatantly narrow minded and prejudicial thoughts to
yourself.  Who is so stupid to think that drugs and personality problems
are not part of the golfing world, only of the "lesser" worlds such as
football?  Does the PGA tour conduct random testing each week in
order to find such drug problems?  I bet if they did, the assumed
"cleanliness" of the sport and its players may be threatened.  

Also, John Daly's "personality problems" seem to be a RESULT of his
drinking, rather than just a part of his regular life.  He's been out of
control (the wife incident, the plane incident) when he's been drinking.
Sure, regularly he's still not your average mild mannered "always say
the right thing" golfer.  Is this bad, or just DIFFERENT?  He's more
aggressive and more likely to answer to his critics straightforwardly
and without hesitation (just ask Brent Musburger).  This leaves him open
to criticism from the golfing establishment - a group of players,
administrators, country club owners, etc. who can't stand the thought of
individuality in the sport.

I hope John Daly finds a solution to his drinking problem.  If he does,
I'm sure that he'll mature as a human being.  Then, hopefully, it will
give him the courage to take on imbeciles like you even more often, but
in a more controlled and effective way.

Grow up, man.

(By the way, I'm neither an alcoholic or a football player, just an open
minded golfer).

-- 
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From: wayman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jeffrey Wayman)
Subject: Re: swing speed question
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 05:14:50 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <C0C4H7.FBv@rice.edu> pav@masc.rice.edu (Phuong Vu) writes:
>I am a beginner to golf and have heard people uses the following
>terminology but I don't have a feel for what they mean.
>
>- tempo: what's a good tempo ?  how do you teach a person to have
>  a good tempo, especially since it seems so important to a good swing.

Tempo's the whole ball game.  There are a hundred ways to think about
it.  I like the description of acceleration; the club must be accelerating
all the way through the downswing.  I believe the key to good tempo is
the start of the downswing, the first 6-12 inches that the hands move.
If this move is fairly slow a lot of the urge to make the hands jump
at the start of the downswing is quelled.  If this is tough to think
of (it might well be, depending on the person), feel your hands at the
top of the swing.  Don't worry where they are, what they are doing or
anything tricky, just be aware of them.  No matter how ugly the swing,
all good golfers have good tempo.  Without good tempo, you cannot be
consistent.  Period.  It's the most important thing about the swing.

>- swing speed: how do I measure my swing speed ?

As a beginner, swing as hard as you can.  I mean that.  Jack Nicklaus
said once that it's much easier to teach a hard swinger to swing easier
than it is to teach an easy swinger to swing hard.  Start swinging hard
then ease into a speed which is good for you.  The worst tip ever given
to anyone is one you hear all the time -- swing easy.  What should be
said is swing smoothly.  You can swing as hard as you want if your 
tempo is smooth and consistent from swing to swing.  You're not going
to break any course records as a beginner, so go rip it and develop
a strong swing.

>- tension at the top of the swing: a college golfer told me at a driving
>  range the other day that I seem to have too much tension at the top
>  but he really cannot quantify what it means.  How do I know I have
>  too much tension ?

That "look" could be caused by a number of things.  Likely, it's what
is called a reverse weight shift, where the weight never gets to the
back foot during the backswing.  It could be a number of things, though.
Probably, a more accurate description would have been that you looked 
uncomfortable at the top of your swing.  Can you find a full length
mirror?  Watch your swing facing the mirror and see if it looks like the
pros.  You'll probably see some glaring mistake.

Good luck!!


Jeff           wayman@lamar.colostate.edu
From: eseeger@ssdc.UUCP (Eric Seeger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: John Daly
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:00:26 GMT
Organization: Sterling Software IMD, Vienna, Va.

colinm@lance.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen) writes:
: >In article <2934859108.2.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:
: 
: Daly bashing deleted.....
: 
: >>  ,...,.,,
: >> /666;    ',    jim tims
: >>////;    _~ -   p00168@psilink.com
: >>(/@/----0-~-0
: >> ;'  . `` ~ \'
: >>  , `    ' , >
: >>;;|\..((   -C---->>John Daly is an abrasive troglodyte.  IMO, his latest caper 
: >>;;| >-  `.__),;;   is characteristic of his nasty personality, not the booze.
: >>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 
: Nasty personality??
: 
: Slow down a sec.  His latest caper was probably due to the fact that he was
: steaming drunk.  Daly is one of the most courteous and personable golfers
: on the Tour.  He rarely refuses to sign autographs (even during tournaments)
: and usually will talk to people in the gallery while on the course.  A co-worker
: of mine was at the Canadian Open and got sprayed with sand by Daly as he worked
: from a bunker.  He apologized to her, and talked to her while his partner got
: ready to play his next shot.  I also saw Daly put on a clinic at a local course 
: and he was very well behaved.  
: 
: IMO, Daly's own reputation got the better of him.
-------

I totally agree... the Friday of last year out at the Kemper Open I was
Stewart and Calcavechia.  Daly was in the group behind them, many times 
I would hang around and wait for him to go through.  He was very personable
on the course, which so many of them AREN'T.  All these self-righteous 
dicks that we have in this country are now just going to bash the guy 
because he has a problem with alcohol.  If he wants to get back out on the
tour and more importantly clean up his act, he will.  If not, he'll fade
into obsurity. But, it is totally up to him. If you have ever known anyone
with a problem of this nature, you'll know that the cure must come from
within.
-- 
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From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Annual Greens Fees and Minimums
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:37:27 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

For extensive information of this sort on Arizona golf
courses (of which there are currently eleventy billion),
contact the Arizona Golf Association and ask for a copy of
the Arizona Golf Guide.

Their WATS number is 1-800-458-8484, but the nice lady said
you should simply send a check payable to Arizona Golf
Assocation for $4.50 ($2.95+P&H), to

	Arizona Golf Association
	ATTN: Arizona Golf Guide
	11801 N. Tatum, Ste. 247
	Phoenix, AZ  85028

According to the AGA, they just picked up the 1993 guide
"hot off the presses."  It typically includes
advertisements, specials, a few articles on various
subjects, enough cartography to be useful, and naturally
the voluminous listings of course particulars.

				--Blair
				  "Golf, commerce, what's the diff?"

P.S.  On rereading, it seems Charlie's post asked also for
rates for membership in clubs that have memberships and
some esoteric data on pro shop pricing; I don't think the
Guide includes that info.  I've never heard of a "pro shop
minimum."
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: psv2b@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Peter S. Vines)
Subject: Duck NC courses
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:59:36 GMT

I'll be spending a week near Duck, North Carolina in June and would like
to know of any golf courses within 30 minutes drive.


--
- Peter Vines : vines@virginia.edu : (804) 924-4644 : University of Virginia
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: spw@bnr.ca (Stephen Woroszczuk)
Subject: Golf Courses in Boca Raton Area
Reply-To: spw@bnr.ca (Stephen Woroszczuk)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:38:58 GMT

I will be in the Boca Raton area at the end of January.

Can anybody name 3-4 good courses to play in the area?

Also, anybody know of reasonably priced accomodations in
the area?

Please post replies.

Thanks in advance.

Steve
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Golf Etiquette Part 1/5
Date: 7 Jan 1993 03:31:41 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <2934770915.1.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:>>  Ron Sercely <sercely@convex.com>
>>
>>The are summarized quite simply.
>>
>>In match play, the play who is away MUST play first, otherwise the opponent
>>_MAY_ require the player to replay the stroke!  In other words, if you sink
>>a 50 foot put, but your opponent is 51 feet from the pin, he can force you
>>to replay the shot (no penalty). If you hit it OB, the opponent will probably
>>NOT require you to replay :-)
>
>>In stroke play, there is no penalty for playing out of turn, with one minor
>>exception.  If you play out of turn to aid another player (show a partner
>>the line of a put for example) you, and the aided plaer are disqualified!
>
>>The net effect is, unless you are playing a match, "ready golf" is completely
>>legal! 
>>
>>Ron
>
>Playing out of turn can begin to transcend "order of play rules" in 
>certain situations, and one begins to turn to the copious addenda
>constituting the "rulings and decisions".  I turn to yesteryear, when
>Sam Snead and ( L. Little, C. Wood, Hogan...???) had short putts on the
>72nd hole of the US Open.  Snead needed his to win.  They measured, then
>whoever was away made his putt, and then Snead missed.  What would have
>happened had Snead just walked up and putted while everybody complained?
>I don't know.  I think unsportsmanlike behavior might have disqualified him.
>
>What would they do if two players tied for the lead in the US amateur,
>approaching their shots to the 72nd hole, suddenly had one step briskly
>ahead of the other, arrive at his ball which is several yards closer to the 
>hole than his opponent's, grab a club and stone it 3 feet from the flag?  
>I don't know.  Does the player who should have played first (by etiquette 
>alone according to your summary), have a grievance?  I don't know.  

Since this is the US Amateur, the final rounds are match play.  The 
first player would have to hit his or she shot again if requested as 
stated in the match play rules above.  Now, if it was the US Open...

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: mueller%gr.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Tim Mueller)
Subject: Putter design info
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:31:11 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

I was wondering if those of you who have club making catalogues could send
me some info on putter heads. What are the range of wieghts for typical
styles, what materials are used and the like (lie angles?). I have the
opportunity to try to design and manufacture one for myself.

Tim Mueller
mueller@cs.utah.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: cmhaar@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Chris Haar)
Subject: Re: John Daly
Followup-To: rec.sport.golf
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:36:56 GMT

In article <1ii9s9INNlqf@chnews.intel.com>, bhoughto@sedona.intel.com
(Blair P. Houghton) wrote:
> 
> In article <726414657@potomac.cs.duke.edu> jdd@duke.cs.duke.edu (John Dengler) writes:
>...
> >Also, John Daly's "personality problems" seem to be a RESULT of his
> >drinking, rather than just a part of his regular life.  He's been out of
> >control (the wife incident, the plane incident) when he's been drinking.
> 
> Bullshit.  Daly is an obvious lifer; the money just made it
> easier for him to blame his problems on goblins and retreat
> to the seclusion of his addictions.
> 
> His "personality" is independent of his chemical disturbance.
> He's just a jerk.

No, it isn't.  No he's not.  Chemical dependence is intimately entwined
with a person's personality.  The addiction is a manifestation of some
internal stress that isn't being or can't be dealt with in a constructive
way.  And how much stress is there in fame?  In overnight fame?

I am truly amazed at the lack of sensitivity and understanding in your
remark that "the money just made it easier for him to blame his problems on
goblins and retreat to the seclusion of his addictions."  The number one
rule of addiction is denial: hide behind drugs, blame anyone and everyone
(but yourself and the drug) for your problems.

You are confusing the symptoms with the cause, and making (rather harsh)
judgements based on this sophistic thought process.  I find this callous,
irresponsible, and ignorant.
  
Good luck, John.

> You're just a moron with a keyboard, from all we can tell.

People in glass houses...

cmh

"I'm your worst fuckin' nightmare: A nigger with a badge!"
-Eddie Murphy, 48 Hours
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From: trentf@ultra.com (Trent Fierro)
Subject: AT&T date?
Reply-To: trentf@ultra.com ()
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 22:47:27 GMT

Does anyone have the exact dates for this year's AT&T?

thanks

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:25:10 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   7 Jan 93 13:18:40 GMT
>FROM:   T. Jerry Scott <mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
>
>In article <1993Jan6.231616.19992@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer) writes:
>>
>>ANY length putts should be shown on golf. No gimmes! Give me a break. Talk to
>>Scott Hoch about two foot putts. I just saw Freddie Couples miss a couple of
>>two footers for some real money the other week.
>>
>I am glad you enjoy watching those short putts.  The only interesting
>thing is when they miss them, or maybe on about 17 or 18 when they have
>one to tie, etc.
>
>They could show all the missed putts in a 1 minute section, complete
>with analysis of why.  That would be a help for more golfers than boring
>us with lots and lots of short putts.
>
>Of course, they have to putt them in, that's the game.  My problem with
>TV golf is that they spend too much time on short putts.

I'll agree to that in spades.  If I could think of a way to enforce it, 
I'd recommend that you get 1 minute per putt, period.  From the time 
it's your turn to play, you get 30 seconds to replace your ball and 
1 minute to hit it after replacing it.  I have actually timed Nicklaus 
at over a minute motionless over a 5 footer, not even including the 5 
minutes he took to line the thing up.  But they could never make it 
work. 

I also agree that they show way too many short putts.  I guess they're 
trying to keep up the suspense for when they do miss.  If the only ones 
they showed were misses, we'd all know a miss was coming up when we saw 
somebody standing over a 2-footer.  I'd think I'd prefer to hear them 
sorrowfully relating how Couples justed missed that little 2-footer you saw 
him leave himself and spare us the agony of watching a spasm.  I've 
got enough problems with 2-footers to have to watch THAT, for cryin' out 
loud. Gives me the willies!

>
>What I would like to see them do is to film a key player hitting every
>shot, and then run it through in fast time.  They we could see how this
>player played.  Often, we get a few long putts for a  player who is
>shooting 6 under, and that's it.
>
>======================================================================
>Thomas J. Scott				mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
From: mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (T. Jerry Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Two foot putts
Date: 12 Jan 1993 13:32:21 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

In article <N4HY.93Jan12132259@tang.UUCP> n4hy@tang.UUCP (Bob McGwier) writes:
>
>>And miss it, and miss it again, and miss it in slow motion, and 
>>miss it as we go to commercial break, and miss it during the recap,
>>and miss it no less than ten times.  Couldn't we have seen Chip Beck hit
>>just one shot instead?  And miss it again on the evening 
>
>No one is defending ABC's abysmal coverage/editing (I hope).  I am still
>of the opinion that short putts should be made.  
>BMc
>
Nobody on the net has ever said that short putts should not be made.  Of
course, they must, as that is part of the game.  This whole discussions
centers around the amount of time they spend showing people going round
and round on short putts before they putt them.  Most golfers I know
would rather watch other shots, especially difficult ones where the pros
do things that most amateurs only dream about.

At any rate, apparantly the TV guys like the short putts too, as was
unfortuneately evidenced again by the C of C coverage. 
=====================================================================
Thomas J. Scott					mftjs@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
A golfer for 30 years				Now a 3 Handicapper
From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Golf Etiquette Part 1/5
Date: 7 Jan 1993 03:17:56 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <2934765113.0.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:>>DATE:   29 Dec 1992 19:20:27 GMT
>>
> [talk about speed of play and golf etiquette]
>
>As an example, I will mention leaving carts and bags near the
>exit lanes from the hole to the next tee.  Too often, players carry their
>bags right to the ball in the fringe, rather than to the appropriate
>side of the green.  After playing the shot, the player must now either
>carry the bag across the green (naughty), mark the ball and return to get
>the bag, leave the bag and arrive late at the tee, or get the bag while
>the others are trying to putt.  

I hate to start another silly argument, but since it does have to do
with the most efficient way to play fast golf: 
Do you really think that walking across a green with your bag 
is "naughty" ?  Of course if it is really wet outside, you don't want
to deepen your foot prints on the green with the added weight of your 
bag.  But, in the situation you described, I like to have all my clubs 
with me since I not sure what kind of shot game shot I am going to play
until I have a good look at my ball (I could hit anything from a 2 iron to
a sand wedge).  If I happen to yank my approach shot left, and the next 
tee is on the right side of the green (done millions of times on 13 at 
Torrey North), I will walk up to my ball with my bag.  I will then determine 
what kind of shot to play and hopefully put it up there close.  I will 
then walk up to my ball with my light Jones bag over my shoulder,
obviously being careful of the other golfer line.  I then bend over, mark 
my ball, and proceed over to the right side of the green at the same time 
cleaning off my ball.  Play proceeds smoothly and quickly (unless I miss 
my par putt and spend too much time worrying about making the slick 2 foot 
downhiller for the bogey). 

It's really not that hard bending over to mark your ball with
your bag over your shoulder.  Again, this is not recommended for
soft wet greens.

>  ,...,.,,
> /666;    ',    jim tims
>////;    _~ -   p00168@psilink.com
>(/@/----0-~-0
> ;'  . `` ~ \'
>  , `    ' , >
>;;|\..((   -C---->> Except on the greens and tees, I'm all for running!
>;;| >-  `.__),;;    I HATE slow play!  (...enough mistakes for this post).

Agreed!

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: WVOSS@novell.com (Wes Voss)
Subject: Too Cold to play in Utah...
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:58:00 GMT

Hello!

I'm new to this newsgroup and just wanted to drop a line and say hello. (See 
above... <G>)

I've been suffering this weekend. We've been getting dumped with snow this 
week in Utah. (We are currently at 550% of average snowfall for January..)
Anyway, for some reason, I was coping well with the end of the golf season 
pretty well till this week. Now, I turn on the tube, and it's golf reruns, 
and golf video infomercials, and I got Pennick's book for Christmas and am 
finishing it right now. (GREAT BOOK! by the way..)

Anyway, even though I am the worlds WORST player (36 strokes is never 
enough! <G>), I enjoy the game and look forward to the ongoing discussion.

Wes

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