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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Peopl who looklike skiers but aren't was My first experience with a Texas Skiier
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:37:25 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct14.182300.26410@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <14980@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM
|(John Fereira) writes:
|>>Gee, I recall this one woman in Sun Valley once, yuck.  Just stood around
|>>all day, paid for a lift ticket and everything.  Helped Idaho's economy
|>>at least.
|
|>They couldn't have spent *all* their time standing then I guess.
|
|All day long she stood there.  Walking, kibitzing, etc.
|And it was that day's ticket.

And what were you doing, Eugene, that you managed to be able to watch her
all day?  If she spent all day standing, walking and talking she couldn't
have brought that much money into the local economy.  Are you catching my
drift yet?


It was one of those clear crisp January days at Squaw Valley.  The snow
conditions were such that everything was skiable.  And people were skiing
everywhere.  It was in the early 70's and my friend had just got back from
a weeklong freestyle clinic at Wayne Wongs freestyle ski school.  We were
*both* wearing levi's, gators, and a long sleeve turtleneck under our
hawaiian shirts.  It was warm enough to ski without a jacket.  After skiing
our butts off at the top of the mountain we worked our way down and skied
Tower 16 and then headed down to Red Dog.  The snow had softened up a bit
and the bumps were perfect on Red Dog.  We took four or five runs on Red Dog
before we were both exhausted.  We then went inside to spend some time at
Mahogany Ridge.  After a cold one or two we were just sitting there when
in walked "Mr. Perfect".  He had on a ski suit that looked like it had just
been purchased from the racks of the finest ski shop at Squaw and brand new
ski boots without a scratch or a bit of snow on them.  Not a hair was out
of place and his sunglasses were perched perfectly on the top of his head.
He paused and the door to survey the situation and then made his entrance.
He leaned up against the bar and in doing so stepped on a wet spot on the
floor and almost fell on his butt.  He got his drink and carefully strolled
back out the door.  My friend and I just busted up laughing.
 
-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde)
Subject: Re: Peopl who looklike skiers but aren't was My first experience with a Texas Skiier
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: Just enough to get by...
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:54:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.222223.2754@nas.nasa.gov>, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov
(Eugene N. Miya) wrote:
> 
> In article <wilde-141092150400@csgator11.cs.colorado.edu>
> wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde) writes:
> >Now, how do you know she didn't sneak a run in or two, Eugene, unless you
> >stood there next to her all day ?
> 
> Very observant!  The man should win a prize.  In fact you hit the nail
> on the head.  That was the very last day of that very first trip,
> all the rental gear had been turned, and we were waiting to rendevzous
> with a non-skiing friend (all day).
> 

So, what do I win, Eugene ? 



Don't tell me, let me guess - A ski day at Vail ?



Hey, a bad day skiing (even at Vail) beats a good day at work, anytime...



-Nick
From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: climbing skin attachment
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:05:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct13.220513.27758
Organization: University of Washington


Has anyone out there ever tried the buckle and webbing climbing skin
attachment system sold by Mountaineering Equipment Co-Op in Canada?  I'm
currently using the standard rubber tip attatchment system which works
very well, but seems to wear out quickly.
	Any comments, stories, etc. greatly appreciated.

					-Dave
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jhochman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joshua M Hochman)
Subject: Re: Best spots to ski in Northeast??
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:47:24 GMT

In article <JIM.92Oct8101142@scf16.scf.loral.com> jim@scf16.scf.loral.com (Jim
Livesey) writes:
>
>  I'm heading to the Northeast this Christmas and was wondering
>  where the good spot(s) to ski would be.  I'm a beginner to
>  moderate skier and my girlfriend has never skied before.
>
>  Any thoughts would be appreciated..
>--


  If you are going to be in the Buffalo New York area, try "Holiday Valley"...a
lot of good intermediate terrain andd pretty good snowmaking.  If you are more
in the vicinity of NJ, NY try Vernon Valley/Great Gorge or Hunter Mtn (lotsa
snowmaking) if you are into big places that may have BIG lines.

          -JOSH
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde)
Subject: Re: Peopl who looklike skiers but aren't was My first experience with a Texas Skiier
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Organization: Just enough to get by...
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:54:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.182300.26410@nas.nasa.gov>,
eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) wrote:
> 
> In article <14980@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM
> (John Fereira) writes:
> >>Gee, I recall this one woman in Sun Valley once, yuck.  Just stood around
> >>all day, paid for a lift ticket and everything.  Helped Idaho's economy
> >>at least.
> 
> >They couldn't have spent *all* their time standing then I guess.
> 
> All day long she stood there.  Walking, kibitzing, etc.
> And it was that day's ticket.
> 
> --eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov

Now, how do you know she didn't sneak a run in or two, Eugene, unless you
stood
there next to her all day ?


-N
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: MAN MADE SNOW
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:07:22 GMT

There seems to be a war going on that I got myself into, and wish I hadn't
now.  It is probably the stupidest arguement that I have ever been in.  It
has a bunch of us arguing about WATER!!!!  I am going to back up to where 
it all began...... It all started when someone said that they noticed a
difference between manmade snow and natural snow..... BRILLIANT OBSERVATION
Yes I will agree that they are worlds apart..... what people are arguing
about is how much water is in snow..... YES I DO REALIZE THAT SNOW CAN BE
WET!! (having skied in 90 degree weather and also having skied at Killington
during 10 out of the 11 possible months that Killington was open in this year
it is hard not to notice) TWO OBSERVATIONS:
		The observation that Man-made is different is nothing new to 
		me or probably most anyone who read the article.

		Man made snow is denser than natural, (NOT EARTHSHATTERING NEWS)
 		but has anyone stopped and thought about the fact it does not
		have more or less water in it than any other snow, because.....
		SNOW IS WATER! (NOT EARTHSHATERING NEWS)
		--------------

							I WILL NOT RESPOND TO
							ANYTHING ABOUT WATER IN
							SNOW AGAIN!!(I promise)
							TODD S>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Lift prices roll toward $50
From: hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 03:18:38 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <1992Oct02.235948.6847@news.mentorg.com> phillipb@mentorg.com (Phil Bride) writes:
>>symposium at Denver's Hyatt Regency Downtown yesterday.  Ski industry will
>>"move agressively to more innovative pricing."
>>
>Mt. Bachelor in Oregon has moved to "innovative pricing." Last year 
>they started a new ticketing program based on purchasing points. You 
...
>Bachelor has done away, for the most part, with ticket checkers 
>in the lift lines. It uses a cattle gate system, (sounds more like 
>my vision east coast skiing). You are corralled into a turnstile gate 
>where you have to plug your ticket into a machine to have your points 
>deducted. Then you can move through the turnstile to the lift.  It's 
>a real pain in the butt. I hated it at first, but after awhile you get 
>used to it, kind of like a rainy day skiing.
> 
>Are there any other resorts that have this system? Or are we in Oregon
>the guinea pigs.

I have skied at La Clusaz (France) where, amongst some other European resorts,
this system is used.  The concerns expressed by others in r.s seem unfounded,
as the flexibility far outweighs any possible disadvantages (of which I saw
none).  In particular, it is very convenient to buy a point card for casual
use, but still use normal day tickets for a full day's skiing.  If you are not
going to ski enough at one place to warrant a season pass then this is the way
to go.

IMHO
-- 
Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
I'm a masochist -- I like a cold shower in the morning, so I take a hot one.
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:24:15 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Oct15.181450.18664@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <Oct15.031507.60154@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
>trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>>But seriously, under what circumstances is the tele position an advantage?
>
...
>2) crusty or crudy snow conditions where the front ski acts as an ice
>breaker does and plows (leads) through the snow ahead.

OK, I'm pulling another Cinton.  You're right here.  I have experienced
particular backcountry crusty conditions where my partner on skinny
free-heal skis had an advantage over my short-fat-locked-heal-skis with
Ramers.  But during the uphill part of that day, the short-fats had the
advantage (and I ended up breaking trail almost all the way as a result
-- aha, I see what you mean.  The skinny skis really are an advantage!)   

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:02:12 GMT
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiier!!
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

Sounds like you managed to ruin your own day by insisting on getting pissed at
two geeks in  Porsche who passed you against your will. Better get used to it.
The alternative is to to become one of them.

There are bad drivers everywhere. Some would say people who won't let faster
cars pass them are among them. 
 
I don't know what part of southern Idaho you're from, but if you've ever
driven near cars with 2C plates, you know that certain license plates
simply won't allow a car to be driven safely. Maybe Texas has the same
problem :)

scott


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Utah boy misses home
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:44:19 GMT

kyle@Ingres.COM (Kyle Smith) writes:

>Hi everyone! As A transplant from the Wasatch to the Bay Area I miss the 
>beautiful mountains of Utah terribly. How's the weather back there? Any dust
>on those caps yet? Has the wind been out of the south blowing real strong all
>summer? If so then get psyched for those facials!

First clouds in weeks today, but very high & no forecast for precip in
the foreseeable future.  Temp's were supposed to get *real* cold & it
has cooled off, but not as much as promised.  That ol' Great Basin
high pressure just keeps sittin' here.  No snow yet.  Still bikin'
weather.

I'm afraid that the offsetting karma of buying Powder Magic's vs.
washing my car has the weather in stasis!!!
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com             __o    <>
<>    bike-a-holic <>   (this *often* works)             -\<,    <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,   ......O/ O    <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks                     <>
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Where to go in France...
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:00:43 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1992Oct12.145238.8907@bristol.ac.uk> P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>Places that have come to mind so far are the Porte Du Soliel (Avoriaz,
>Morzine, Les Gets), and Chamonix.  Anyone have any nice/nasty useful
>comments about either of those?  Or any other suggestions/comments?

I've had a few mailed answers to this, and they all seem to recommend
Chamonix.  I confess that the Porte du Soliel area is a bit more
interesting to us, because we could probably arrange to get there by
train rather than by air, which gets you an extra 2 days skiing on the
holiday.  On the other hand, it's a bit worrying that no-one has leaned
towards it.  Is there something 'wrong' with the Porte du Soliel area,
or is it just that no-one knows about it?

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Can I do it?
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:27:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Oct07.172702.24391
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: naru@valkyrie.eng.umd.edu


I have a friend who is willing to sell me his pair of skis w/
bindings already mounted. The problem is that his shoe size is 7 while
mine is 10.  So the question is can I remount the bindings to fit my 
boots? How will this affect the structure and the performance of the skis?

Thanks in advance,
Naru Takashima
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:14:50 GMT

In article <Oct15.031507.60154@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>But seriously, under what circumstances is the tele position an advantage?

1) lower center of mass offering more stability, especially when carrying
a heavy pack, assuming you don't have to make too many short radius turns.

2) crusty or crudy snow conditions where the front ski acts as an ice
breaker does and plows (leads) through the snow ahead.

Lots of work at times.  More work than parallels, but you need ideal snow.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: FOR SALE - Lange XRN Superheats
Date: 16 Oct 1992 17:21:13 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com


SKI BOOTS FOR SALE
------------------

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2 Years Old
Bought at end of season - Used only 1 full season (about 15 days)

Complete w/ Re-Charger for heater and extra bails for buckles.

These are Lange's top of the line Racing boot from 2 years ago.
Teal Blue w/ U.S. Ski Team "holograph" on side.
(I need lighter boots - bad knees)

List two years ago: $425
This years comparable model (X9 Heat):  $520

Asking Only $225 + Shipping.

Bob Schwartz
Thinking Macines Corp.
Cambridge MA
(617) 234-2678
bobs@think.com
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:48:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> Expert bump-clinic in Hunter is an absolute disaster : enthusiastic
> students usually have to be taught how to ski short turns on flat terrain .
> The ski school doesn't make any attempt to  screen participants.

I've had very good luck at Brekenridge. 
I usually take a lesson during spring break because it is the only 
way to get enough run. (The lines are so long that just buying your 
ticket takes half an hour ...) 

The last 2 years we were at most 3 in the class. 
Me, my buddy, and somebody else who quit after half a day because
he was too tired. Can't beat it. A full day private lesson for $25 during
peak season !!!

bruno.
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:11:34 -0400 
From: "Harold S. Lessure" <hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:waxing/tuning



In Message-ID: <1992Oct10.133647.1822@ultb.isc.rit.edu>,
ptc8827@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes regarding waxing/tuning:

>this is a lame question....but...
>Does anybody out there know of a good guide to tuning up skis at home?

The question of reference books on tuning is not a lame question...
Just a FAQ (see the FAQ postings at the beginning of the month)

The book usually cited for tuning skis is:

"The Ski Maintenance and Repair Handbook" by Seth Masia

which includes chapters on skis, boots, and bindings and additional
info on poles, goggles, troubleshooting, waxing and addresses of where
to get maintenance equipment and supplies if not locally available.

I am going to try to tune my skis myself this year and really enjoyed
Masia's book. My plan is to buy new skis and practice tuning on my old
ones during the early part of the season.

I also know of two other books which have at least short sections on
ski tuning/waxing namely:

"The Complete Skiing Handbook"
        edited by Mark Heller and Doug Godlington

and

"The Great North American Ski Book" by I. William Berry

Looking forward to keeping my skis always ready to run this season...
Good Luck and Great Skiing!

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn)
Subject: Re: Telemark skis
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:20:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.133706.17132@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>>
>>But seriously, under what circumstances is the tele position an advantage?
>>
>Most.  You are more stable when you are lower to the ground.
>This becomes quite obvious skiing Mary Jane.
>
>--Chris

What??  I basically agree with what Wayne has been saying, and I was also
interested in the answer to this question.

Stability has always struck me as depending on the torque required to tip
you over, not necessarily height above the ground.  Also, a good alpine
skier isn't necessarily any further from the ground than a tele skier.  I
don't know Mary Jane, so I don't really know what you are trying to say.

I have never seen a tele skier who could beat me down a lift-serviced run.
(I'm not being a snob -- I've tried it and it's damn hard.)
I always assumed that the advantage was in climbing and traversing and
maybe in conditions only found in backcountry skiing.

-- 
John Gunn, Ph.D                    |  "A casual stroll through the lunatic      
Columbia University                |  asylum shows that faith doesn't           
Center for Biomolecular Simulation |  prove anything."                          
and Head Coach, Ski Team           |     - Friedrich Neitzsche                  
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: "Ski Mountaineering" (?) advice wanted
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:56:12 GMT

trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>
>Ah, ski-mountaineering -- a wonderful sport.  You buy lots of expensive
>gear, drive for hours, slog for hours carrying said heavy gear to the top
>of a run, discover conditions are less than ideal (frequently wind crust),
>then reverse slog your way back down, frequently falling and trying to
>get back up in deep crusted snow with a heavy pack on.  On the rare occasion
>that you actually find good powder snow, it is likely to slide and kill you.
>
There is definatly alot of truth in what is said here, however
when you find those prime conditions it is truly euphoric.

Last spring we skied the from the summit of LaPlata peak one
week after it snowed 1 foot (April 25th).  It was a sunny day
(matter of fact you can sill see the outline, of my avalanche
tranciever and pack straps, on my chest where I got sun burned).

I lept from the summit dropping about 8' in the air until I hit
the snow, rode out a sluff for 15' more feet and made my first
turn into the narrow part of the couloir.  I rounded the corner
and everything opened up.  Gee, only 2500' feet of 40 degree
skiing to go.  And I thought, this makes up for all the miserable
times by a factor of 10.

My friend Jim only has Randonee gear, and when he comes out with
us when we are telemarking and the snow conditions are less than
ideal, it seems he's the only one skiing.

--Chris
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:48:59 GMT
	<1992Oct8.145611.506@apex.com>
	<1992Oct8.220155.7184@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
	<1992Oct9.090910@is.morgan.com>
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 9 Oct 92 13:09:10 GMT, sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff) said:

S> The bottom line is : if your friend/wife/uncle are somewhat above 
S> general unfitness level you either have to teach them yourself,
S> or pay for private instruction.

I don't know where you ski, but any major area has multiple groups for each
level, and I've not seen (or encountered) any of the problems you cite.
Frankly, I discourage *everyone* from teaching friends, simply because 90-99%
of them are incapable of communicating technique, even if they are Scot
Schmidt's caliber.  If the lesson isn't up to the student's ability, the
student should immediately tell the instructor so and/or go directly to the ski
school desk for a replacement.

Cheer up, Sergei!  All is not lost!  We'll be skiing soon!

___,         0       Steeps,   
  |         /        Leaps,  
  |      \  |\       and     
  |       \/         Powder...
  \        \                 
   \        \              
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
I think, therefore I ski...                                        ISSC Boulder
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