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From: azeem@juliet.caltech.edu (Azeem, Mohammad)
Subject: Engineering School in Pakistan
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Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:04:00 GMT

Assalam O' Alikum,

I personally know many young engineers and scientists in US who have
aspired to open an engineering school par excellence in Pakistan. My
question, to all those who have given this idea a serios thought, is,
what is the problem in opening a good engineering school in Pakistan?

I am sure that there are many poeple who are working on this idea and
have probably achieved varying degrees of success. Can we help you in
achieving this goal? 

Please send me e-mail if you have attempted to get people together for
this purpose or if you are interested in being an instrumental help.
Thanks a lot in advance.                                                                              
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From: kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD)
Subject: Re: sex in hereafter (was Re: the terminator part n : )
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:32:42 GMT

Gopal writes:

>Yes, I found the above verse. Now that I have gotten myself into this
>mess, I am forced to do some research and here is another translation
>of the above that I came up with.
>
>SOURCE:
>-------
>Authors: Mushaf Al-Madinah & An-Nabawiyah
>The Holy Quran: English Translation of the meanings and Commentary.
>Revised and edited (1991) by:
>The presidency of Islamic Researchers, IFTA
>(King Fahd Holy Quran Printing Complex).
>
>
>On page 1627, it says,
>----------------------
>They will recline (with ease)
>Upon couches
>Arranged in ranks;
>And WE shall wed them    /* who is WE? I thought Allah was singular. */
>to *MAIDENS* with beautiful
>Big and lustrous eyes.
>
>Since when does one describe studs for our dear departed
>women as 'maidens' ?
>And you can't use the `western propaganda' argument either
>unless you convince me that US is using Saudi printing houses
>to distort the Quran too.
>
>It seems that the interpretation that you have is actually
>trying to hide the sexist connotations. (BTW-I  remember
>reading in another such translation of the Quran that
>'hur' refers to 'women of paradise' for the men who go
>to heaven. Sorry, I don't remember the books name).

[Babblings about Gopal's conception of religion and how gods must resort to
 white lies deleted.  Admissions that Christianity and Hinduism are  sexist
 appreciated.]

My dear Gopal, you probably missed Zafar T Minhas' posting on  the  subject.
Once again I will quote for you:

>The word hoor in Arabic from the Quran does not imply women in Heaven as a
>reward for living the pious life. I have been reading this string of articles
>and am sick of the sexism that is being implied. The word hoor in Arabic and
>as translated in the Quran means a heavenly partner. It implied in Arabic a
>person with large eyes, since that was a signg of beauty. The Quran says the
>people of heaven will get hoors. That is both men and women who have lived
>according to the way expected for them will get heavenly companions. The Quran
>does not specify male or female, and hoor is a word that implies either male o
r
>female. There are many hadis which state what the nature of the hoor will
>be, but we have to keep in mind that these are hadis and not quran.

You see Gopal, I am using a *literal* translation of the  word  Hur  not  a
sexist one.

Kamal Mubarak.
--
To the pure all things are pure.
Arabian Nights.
--
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Subject: NEED HELP< PLEASE READ
From: jsekhar@uceng.UC.EDU (DR J.A.SEKHAR)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:51:35 GMT
Distribution: USA
Organization: University of Cincinnati, Engineering College

Hi Everybody,

	One of my friend is trying for admission in Graduate program in
The Dept of Mechanical Engg of the following universities

(1) Univ of Alabama at Huntsville
(2) University of Minnesota, Minneapolis
(3) Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Virginia
(4) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State univ at Blacksburg
(5) University of Utah, Salt lake city
(6) Carnegie - Mellon Univ, Pittsburg
(7) Calorado state univ , Fort collins
(8) Univ of Mississippi, MS 38677

	My friend is M.Tech from IIT Madras and his field of specilization is
Numerical techinique in Heat transfer. I will be grateful if any kind soul from
the Mechanical Engg Dept of these universities gives me some information about the Dept like Finiancial Aid, Name of Professors working in the field of heat
transfer and any other useful information which he feels might help my 
friend in his application process.

Thanks in advance

Nishit Dey

You can send E-mail to jsekhar@uceng.uc.edu

or you can call me collect at 217-333-8133
From: fazam@skat.usc.edu (Farooq-e-Azam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: A GHAZAL......
Date: 7 Sep 1992 00:35:39 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Produced below is a beautiful Ghazal by Ahmad Faraz, hoping that
poetry loving readers will like it...

Farooq

****************************************************************

Phir kissy rah guzer per, shAid
Hum kabhy mil sakain muger, shAid

Jin key hum muntazir rahey un ko
Mil gaey aur humsafar, shAid

Ajnabiat kee dhund cHut jaey
Chamak uthey teri nazer, shAid

Jaan pehchan sey bhi kiya hoga
phir bhi ay dost gh'or ker, shAid

Jo bhi bicherey, wo kab milay hain Faraz
phir bhi too intezar ker, shAid

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From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Navab Sir Saleemullah of Dacca, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Date: 10 Sep 1992 01:21:24 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
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		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
		===========================

		Navab Saleemullah of Dacca( Dhaka)

	The partition of Bengal and the creation of a new--predominantly Muslim--province of Eastern Bengal during the viceroyalty of Lord Curzon is a
watershed in the history of the Subcontinent; it was the harbinger of a new
and dynamic political awakening of the Muslims which pivoted on 
Navab Sir Saleemullah, the Navab of Dacca.
	Navab Saleemullah was born in 1884 at Dacca. His grandfather
Sir Abdul Ghani and father Sir Ahsanullah spent huge sums on the 
development of Dacca.
	On October 16, 1905, when the province of Bengal was partitioned,
Navab Saleemullah spoke at the Munshigunj. The partition, he said, 
"had put an end to the inaction of the Muslims and diverted them towards
action". He and his friends established a Muhammadan Provincial Union to
politically  organize the Muslims and to promote their interests 
in the socio-economic field.
	When the Simla delegation called upon the Viceroy, he could not join it due
to illness, but he invited Navab Mohsin-ul-Mulk to hold the next session of the
All-India Muslim Educational Conference at Dacca, which was done in 1906.
Before this conference Bengali Muslims were not associated with the 
Aligarh Movement; now with the Aligarh Movement reaching out to Dacca,
the history of the subcontinent was changed for good.
	On December 30, 1906, when the All-India Muslim Educational Conference
had ended in Dacca, the Muslim leaders met under the presidentship of
Navab Viqar-ul-Mulk. In this meeting Navab Sir Saleemullah explained his
scheme and presented his epoch-making resolution which was seconded by
Hakim Ajmal Khan [ of Dehli] and  supported among others,
by Maulana Muhammad Ali [Jauhar] and Maulana Zafar Ali Khan [Zamindar newspaper
fame]. According to the resolution the new political party was named
the All-India Muslim League.
	Subsequently Navab Saleemullah toured the entire province and addressed
meetings to organize the Muslims of Bengal. He became the secretary of the
provincial Muslim League, East Bengal. In 1908 he presided over the 
annual session of the All India Muslim Educational Conference at
Amritsar [Punjab]. 
	His last days were very sad and tragic. He was deeply shocked by the
annulment of the partition of BEngal in 1912. He presided over the
Muslim League session at Calcutta on March 3, 1912 which was his last political
appearance. His son's death broke his heart and he died on January 16, 1915.

P.S. From  50 years, Golden Jubilee, Pakistan Resolution 1940-90
     by Pakistan International Airline( PIA).

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio
September 1992.
From: khan@us17501.mdc.com (Naseer Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: ASU Pakistani students in trouble
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:34:21 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Sunny Southern California
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In article <1992Sep11.160509.3932@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> Haseeb Zafar, 
zafarha@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu writes:

     "He says that he has got all the students to US on his 
responsibility. Now when all the students are here, he says that no one 
can leave the campus without his permission, he says that everyone has to 
give him the passport,$800,  return ticket  as a security that they dont 
have any plans to run away. The students had to buy an open return ticket 
for one year which costed them $2100/-- or Rs.57000/--, he says if
anybody 
is not going to follow his instructions he will call the imigration, and 
the students will be deported. Dont you think its harrasment in USA what 
he is doing, is it any law to keep the passport of anybody , is it
allowed 
under any circumstances what he is trying to do."

My reply is as follows:

I think there is a definitely a scam at work here.  I have heard of 
similar things being done before.  There is such as thing as guardian
status where someone is responsible for having sponsored another into
the country.  But personal versus administrative is quite different.
I don't think the US Govt. allows people to hold money like that deposit, 
otherwise they'd do it themselves!!!!  And I don't passports can be held 
by anyone except for a federal agengy.  And if the student is gonna run 
away, then what good is holding the return ticket going to do.

If all the paperwork is clear and they have valid student visas, then
these guys definitely ought not to pay him one cent until they talk to a
lawyer.  Find a Pakistani one.  I'll try to pick up a newspaper at the
masjid today at Juma prayers and post a phone number soon.  Look for
a post with Lawyer in the subject heading.  Come to think of it, maybe
these guys oughta call the INS on their own to protect themselves.

I have many cousins who came over on student visas and were able to get
permission to work from the INS directly on their own.

      |      |                        Signed:  Naseer Khan
      | (~)(o)                                 ___________
     C      _)
      | ,___|                                  khan@us17501.mdc.com
From: arshad@siesoft.co.uk (Arshad Mahmood)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Urdu wordprocessor
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:41:52 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


I am looking for a public domain/shareware version of an urdu wordprocessor
for IBM PC.  Possibility of having English characters within the Urdu text is
desireble. Do you know of such a wordprocessor ? Is it available by ftp ? If
yes then please email me the site name and the directory. If it is not
available by ftp then are you willing to email me this in chunks ? (archive,
compress,uuencode and then split it in 60K chunks).

Thanks in advance,

arshad

===============================================================================
Arshad Mahmood                               |  Tel   : 0344 850987
Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Limited  |  Fax   : 0344 850096
Siemens Nixdorf House                        |  email : arshad@siesoft.co.uk
Oldbury, Bracknell
Berkshire RG12 4FZ
England.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: Heavenly speculations (was Re: the terminator part n : ))
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 15:12:38 GMT

In article <Bu56sn.KF7@acsu.buffalo.edu> memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.035153.20010@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>>In article <Bu4v8o.FrH@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>>
>>|> story about hoors while the Sufis abhorred the sexual references, as pointed
>>|> out by you. For a hypothetical heavan, the hypothetical gift in the form of
>>|> a hoor as an incentive for a heterosexual male is hardly a good motivation,
>>     ^^^^^
>>
>>What is `hoor' ?
>>
>>regards,
>>--   
>>   ______ ______ ______ ______ __  |\/\/\/|
>>    ____/  __  /  __  /  __  /  /  |  \  /|   LIFE'S COMPLEX - IT HAS 
>>   / __   /   /  /   /  /   /  /   | (o)(o)   REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS  
>>  /   /  /   /   ___/  __  /  /    C      _) 
>>_____/ _____/ __/   __/ __/ ______/ | \___|  
>>E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.
>
>
>Hoors are pure virgins who would serve the men in Heavan as a reward for
>living a pious clean life on Earth. Heavan is supposed to be a beautiful
>place full of hoors. Pious men would get hoors and what pious women would get,
>that cannotbe said for sure, some say they will get their husbands. 
>I think providing them with hooras is a fair deal. Some religious people say 
>that these relationships will not be sexual and maybe one would hear a hoor say
>to a maulana sahib "let's just be friends" :) if the latter went just a bit
>overboard with his fingers. :)
>
>Naveed[on a highway to hell?, most definitely] Siraj
The word hoor in Arabic from the Quran does not imply women in Heaven as a 
reward for living the pious life. I have been reading this string of articles 
and am sick of the sexism that is being implied. The word hoor in Arabic and
as translated in the Quran means a heavenly partner. It implied in Arabic a
person with large eyes, since that was a signg of beauty. The Quran says the
people of heaven will get hoors. That is both men and women who have lived
according to the way expected for them will get heavenly companions. The Quran
does not specify male or female, and hoor is a word that implies either male or
female. There are many hadis which state what the nature of the hoor will
be, but we have to keep in mind that these are hadis and not quran. furthermore
i am getting sick and tired of seeing islam being denigrated like this. you 
people are worse than the folks of soc.culture.iranian. please show a little
bit of respect to islam and talk in a respectful manner.

zafar

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From: bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu (  Bholu)
Subject: chand ash'ar
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 04:25:11 GMT

ya rab gham-e-hijraaN mayN itna tow kia hota
jo haath jigar par hai woh dast-e-du'a hota

ik ishq ka gham aafat aur uss pay yeh dil aafat
ya gham nah dia hota ya dil nah dia hota

nakaam-e-tamanna dil iss soach mayN rehta hai
yooN hota tow kaya hota yooN hota tow kaya hota

ummeed tow bandh jaati taskeen tow ho jaati
w'adah nah vafa kartay w'adah tow kia hota

ghairoN say kaha tum nay ghairoN say suna tum nay
kuchH ham say kaha hota kuchH ham say suna hota

(chiragh hasan hasrat)

Corrections/additions appreciated.

--
It is always the best policy to speak the truth---unless, of course, you
are an exceptionally good liar.
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Hasrat Mohani, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Date: 12 Sep 1992 16:07:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
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		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
		===========================

		 Maulana Hasrat Mohani
		 ---------------------

	An excellent poet, a fearless journalist and a dedicated leader,
his real name was Fazl-ul-Hasan. Hasrat was his nom de plume. He was 
born in Mohan[ U.P] which is reflected in his pen name. He was educated
at Fatehpur and Aligarh. He went to Aligarh in  1895 and launched his
weekly "Urdu-e-Moalla" from there in 1903. This magazine continued to be
published intermittently till 1930. In 1908, the British government took
umbradge on a hostile article and sentenced him to four years' penal servitude.
Then began a period of repeated incarcerations which lasted for a number 
of years.
	In 1907 HAsrat attended the Congress session at Surat as an 
extremist worker; in 1913 he led the agitation against the Kanpur mosque
desecration, in 1915 he joined the Muslim League; and in 1916 he was sentenced
to four year's penal servitude  for his participation in the alleged
"silk scarf movement"[ Reshmee Roomaal Tehreek]. In 1920 he presented his
noncooperation resolution in the Khilafat Conference Dehli. 
	Hasrat was the first Indian leader to demand complete independence
for India in All India Khilafat Conference and at  the Ahmadabad[Gujrat]
session of the Congress in 1921. The same year he presided over the 
Ahmadabad Session of  the All India Muslim League. In 1928, he led a campaign
against Nehru Report. In 1929 he was a delegate to the All Parties Muslim
Conference at Dehli. In 1920 he actively participated in Civil Disobedience
movement , from 1937 onwards he remained a sincere , devoted, and outspoken
member of the Muslim League.
	Hasrat was a simple man, who feared none and always spoke out what he
believed in. He is one of the most revered leaders of our independence struggle.

P.S.  From 50 years, Golden Jubilee, Pakistan Resolution 1940-90
      by Pakistan International Airline (PIA).

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio
September 1992.


P.P.S.
      Hasrat Mohani did not move to Pakistan after the independence.
      He died in Post-Partition India and is buried in Bagh-e-Anvaar, Lucknow.
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: REPOST: Sir Syed, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Date: 9 Sep 1992 21:29:25 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
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		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
		===========================

		Sir Syed Ahmad Khan
		===================

	Syed Ahmad Khan was born on October 17, 1817. His early education
followed the traditional pattern. In February 1838, he was appointed 
Naib Munshi in the office of the Divisional Commisioner of Agra, and
in 1846 was promoted to munsif.  His famous work "Asarus Sanadeed" was
published in 1855.
	After the war of Independence of 1857, he wrote a pamphelet
"Hindustan ke Wafadar Musalman"
In 1859, Sir Syed established a school in Murshidabad for Muslim children.
During this period he published "Asbab-e-Baghavat-e-Hind", 
"Ahkam-e-taam-ahle-kitab" as well as several pamphlets to disseminate his
ideas on education.
In 1864, he founded a school in Ghazipur where Muslim children were
taught English in addition to the oriental languages. He established
the Scientific Society to create in the Muslims the urge to
acquire modern knowledge. In 1864, Sir Syed was transferred to
Aligarh and the office of the Scientific Society too was consequently 
relocated. In Aligarh, he began to publish the Scientific Society Magazine
which was later renamed Aligarh Institute Gazette.
Sir Syed went to England in 1869 where he lived for some time and worked on his
famous rejoinder to Thomas More published as "Ummahat-ul-Ummah". Upon his
return he began to campaign for a Muslim University. He also assisted in
the work of the Hunter Commission on Education and was successful in having
his education policy for Muslims accepted.
	The greatest achievement of Sir Syed Khan was the establishment of
Aligarh Muhammadan Anglo-Oriental College in 1898
which subsequently developed into Aligarh Muslim University in 1920.
	This great leader of Muslims, after developing his whole life to
the service of Muslims, died on March 27, 1898 and
was buried beside the mosque in the great seat of learning he founded.

P.S.  From "50 years, Golden Jubilee, Pakistan Resolution 1940-1990" by PIA.

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio.
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: sex in hereafter (was Re: the terminator part n : )
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 08:28:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.004302.15490@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD) writes:
>Some questions.  Do we really maintain our sexual identity after death?
>Do  we really remain male and female in heaven or hell? If so, how does 
>one tell the gender of a soul? One can not exactly examine  the  nether
>regions of a soul, or can one? Is what is mentioned in the Qura'n to be
>taken literally, or is  it  meant  to  be  a  sexual  allegory  to  the
>spiritual pleasures of the hereafter?
>
From what I read, MEN who go to heaven will be serviced by young VIRGINs.
(Seems like someone was letting their sexual fantasies run awild. No 
mention is made if WOMEN are serviced by young STUDs). So it does 
seem that sexual identity is maintained after all in the hereafter. 
Since most muslims are already guilty of interpreting Quran literally,
you might as well add this too to your literal interpretations. 

who said Hell was Hot ?! Heaven's real HOT ;-)
				(if u r a man)

regards,
--   
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    ____/  __  /  __  /  __  /  /  |  \  /|   LIFE'S COMPLEX - IT HAS 
   / __   /   /  /   /  /   /  /   | (o)(o)   REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS  
  /   /  /   /   ___/  __  /  /    C      _) 
_____/ _____/ __/   __/ __/ ______/ | \___|  
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