From: darkstar@ravel.udel.edu (Jerry Garcia)
Subject: Re: Luke and Leia confusion
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Summary: Try This On For Size...
Keywords: ain't this neat?
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: galaxy far, far away...
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:09:31 GMT

In article <29DEC199211480635@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> bdwest@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ALIS) writes:
>In article <uscream.725600191@mcl>, uscream@mcl.ucsb.edu (Screamin' Diane d.) writes...

[original question deleted-hell, you should be following this thread!]

>For example, if Darth 
>Vader was intended to be Lukes father from the begining why give Luke Darth 
>Vader's Light Sabre with an out right lie about Adakin wanting Luke to have 
>it.  Vader not knowing of Luke's existances.  When did Vader figure out 
>that Luke was his son. 

Well, I would assume that when Imperial Spies discovered the name of the
person who blew up the Death Star was one Luke Skywalker, and that when
Vader was trying to shoot his ass down he felt how strong in the force
Luke was.  That Vader (or at least the Emperor) would put two and two
together and figure out that a pilot who powerful in the force and who's
name is Skywalker, is probably the son of Vader/Anakin Skywalker.

>Luke's uncle Owen is who's brother?  Uncle Owen seemed to favor (in looks)
>Ben not Adakin.  Was Owen's last name ever given. 
>Did Owen know that Vader = Adakin.  It did not appear so.
>  Nor did the Stormtroppers who slaughtered Owen seem to know/care 
>that the Dark Lord and this peasant were related. 

According to the novelization of ROTJ, Owen Lars is Ben Kenobi's
brother.  Now the last names are different, so who knows?  Maybe the
two are brothers-in-law and Ben is related to Owen's wife, Beru.
Owen did seem to know that Anakin got his butt slayed even if he did
not know that Anakin was Vader...  And as for the Stormtroopers, did
they ever seem to have a clue?  To me they always had the same blank
expression on all their faces...  8)

>And your right if Leia knew "always knew" that Luke was her brother then 
>why did she treat him like a suitor.  Course I thought the lines for that 
>seen were the lamest lines in Star Wars period.  And if Ben knew that Luke 
>had a sister then why did he always act like Luke was the only hope.  Why 
>didn't Ben tell Leia about the force, send her to yoda for a while.  She was 
>obviously more mature and focused than Luke was.  Luke didn't grow up until 
>Return of the Jedi.  

Leia did not alway know, she only "knew" (ie sensed) when Luke was going
to tell her when they were in the Ewok village.  Ben might have wanted
to train Luke because he wasn't as well hidden as Leia.  Also, Luke may
have expressed more of an affiliation to the Force at that time.  And we
are missing the argument that Kenobi may have been acting patriachical!

>I always thought that a better idea would have been to make Adiken (I'll 
>never spell it right) and Vader twin brothers.  That would have been better 
>and easier to explain the lack of knowledge of Luke's existance as well as 
>the emporer's statement that "the son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi".  
>It would also make for more tension and anger causing agents if Luke had to 
>"face" his fathers killer, his father's own brother. 
>The sense of rage that could be generated from the man that killed his 
>father and his mentor would be incredible.

And then all of us would be making fun of that entire plot line instead
of the one that did end up evolving...

>A 'since your father would not turn, perhaps you will or suffer his fate' 
>kind of thing.  Another tortured death at the hands of the emporer.
>
>Vader would then start seeing the agony 
>of his dying brother instead of Luke, the pain of a twin soul, the death of 
>himself, and save Luke from the emporer as he should have saved his brother.
>
>Well, I can dream can't I.

See previous reply...  8)



	--Jerry




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