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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio)
Subject: Re: Bill Torrey??
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:42:05 GMT

In article <BtAvGy.Bxy@acsu.buffalo.edu> hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes:

>I can't count the number of times he whined
>that his teammates called him and Turgeon 'frogs' (an allegation
>flatly denied by both Turgeon and French Canadian Donald Audette).  


Now this is kinda funny....   Last season, during an episode of "The
Flats and Heals Show" (a NYI pre-game show hosted by Pat Flatley and
Glenn Healy on SCNY), they mentioned that Benoit's nickname was
"Kermit".  Could this be a holdover from the Sabres, or is this
something his new teammates were chastising him for?

(Please excuse the drunken tone of this posting.....)

-JPC

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From: neal@atmos.washington.edu (Neal Johnson)
Subject: Re: Steroids and drug testing
Organization: Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Washington
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:46:33 GMT

In article <9208130350.AA08117@booth.usask.ca> 
832989@BOOTH.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin) writes:

>One way to remove the preoccupation with bulk and muscle among hockey players 
>is to emphasize the skating aspect of hockey.  Altering hockey rinks to
>international-sized width would help, but that means lower ticket revenues for
>the philanthropic owners.  Another way is to ban fighting completely.  Anyone
>who wishes to watch men punch each other can watch boxing.  Screw them; hockey
>doesn't need that kind of fans. However, as long as NHL coaches,GMs, fans, and
>media continue to seek big, tough robowingers (to borrow Gerald O.'s term),
>I doubt steroid abuse among teenagers will completely go away.

I have a rink size and fighting quibble...  It seems to me that
steroids aren't just for buffalo builders any more.  All of Canada
must be sick of Ben Johnson stories and he sure wasn't using them to
build muscle mass to fight or physically dominate his sport by mass
alone.  
 
I think only rigid testing programs will curb usage in the current
environment.



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From: thc@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Thomas H. Cormen)
Subject: Re: Rebound -- valid hockey term or not?
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:25:38 GMT

In article <199208131741.AA2361@comm.Tandem.COM> PORTIGAL_STEVE@tandem.com writes:
   Simple question, yes or no. Trying to resolve a small debate.

Absolutely valid.  In fact, the IGU (Int'l Goaltenders Union)
newsletter is named "Rebound".

I'm afraid I know about them all too well.

Tom Cormen
Former Goaltender and Captain of the New England Senior Hockey League Sloths
"The deflection is the ugly cousin of the screen shot."
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Score Cards purchase?
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:45:32 GMT
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


I've been offered the chance to buy wax boxes of Score US cards $24.50
per box.  (1992-3 of course).  So, my questions (taking in consideration
that score is not making factory sets this year):

How much do score 1991-2 boxes sell for (and how much did they sell for
when they came out?)

IS this a good deal?

(It would be $20.50 except for the $4.00 S&H)
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
East Quad - Cooley
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From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)
Subject: FLYERS neutral site games announced
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:02:29 GMT


The FLYERS neutral site games were announced yesterday. They are:

2/16 vs Calgary in Cincinnatti
2/22 vs Detroit in Cleveland

Pete Clark Jr - r.s.h FLYERS contact
att!hos1cad!seth
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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Subject: Hockey on ABC/ESPN?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:14:00 GMT

    In Friday's USA Today, Michael Hiestand describes a possible arrangement
between the NHL and ABC that would put several games on ABC as soon as
this season, and 15-20 regular season games on ESPN.  ESPN would also get
the rights to the Stanley Cup Final for the upcoming season.
    Apparently, ABC is the only network option for the NHL--talks with CBS
never accomplished much, and NBC has little time in its schedule due to the
NBA.  
    In addition, 35 games or so would likely go to either Prime Network or
SportsChannel America.  Apparently, Stein is very serious in his desire to 
get decent TV exposure for the league. (Thank God!!)
    There are still a lot of issues to resolve, for example, whether or not 
the ESPN games would be blacked out in the home markets of the teams involved.
(Didn't this sink a possible ESPN deal last year, or am I mistaken?)
    I'm not sure if we'll ever see this deal go through, but it would be
nice...We don't get nearly enough games down here (Only Caps home games--my
cable system doesn't pick up the Washington station which broadcasts the road
games) and HTS doesn't pick up nearly enough other games.  In any case, it's
good to finally see the NHL getting serious about improving its TV exposure.
    As a last note, thanks to all of those who responded to my inquiries 
regarding The Hockey News and the immortal Link Gaetz.

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:53:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1992Aug13.015256.24217@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfieldI.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>This is also hardly a fair comparison, since the Sharks are the only team
>that San Jose can rightfully call its own.

The SF Chronicle covers the Sharks at about the same level, I've found.

> Also, the 49'ers coverage is
>so extensive, because that is what the public wants.  The San Francisco
>Chronicle finds that its biggest sale days are the days after a 49'ers
>game. 

Again, that misses the point: if football played 40 games, each game
wouldn't get the current level of coverage, no matter how popular the
Niners are.

>can receive, and the Sharks when you look at all the television, radio, and
>newspapers as a total package get the lowest coverage of all the ten major
>teams.

We must be looking in entirely different places if you think that the
Sharks get less coverage than Stanford basketball, or than Stanford or Cal
football.  I sure don't see that.

>My point of view may differ than yours for two reasons.  One is that I'm
>a huge sports fan and follow all sports, (although hockey is a particular
>favorite because I grew up in Canada), and I hang around other people who
>are huge sports fans. 

I too am a fan of many sports, and hang around with people who are bigs
fans of many sports.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: bwelch@incinerator.East.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Hockey?
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:35:07 GMT
Reply-To: bwelch@incinerator.East.Sun.COM ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: incinerator.east.sun.com

Is a seperate news group really needed in the off season. I don't mean to insult
anyone but a Canadian game should be kept in their own na. newsgroup. Esp
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From: mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green)
Subject: Hornet Jerseys?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:23:54 GMT

I've heard a rumor that Pittsburgh Hornet shirts, etc. are now
available. Any truth to this? (Too bad that Harris was such a jerk
about the Hornets' copyright. It would have been a big BIG improvement
on Penguins.)

Incidentally, isn't it great having Cleveland as a farm team for
Pittsburgh. Revenge on the Glovers at last!

Marc Green
Trent University
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Barrasso negotiations
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:11:10 GMT
Organization: Harvard Medical School

In article <8eYtJEK00WBN01IGtN@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>
>I just had an alarming thought.  If Craig Patrick doesn't make a deal
>with Tom Barrasso by the season start, and Barrasso refuses to play,
>the Pens essentially have shit for goaltending.  And if it takes Patrick
Well,if they dump a huge pile in a goal crease I think they could hold
on without Barrasso for a while. It'll certainly keep alot of 'crashers'
away...:-).

>Mom.

-Mark
"Whatizit,Man?!" - Ren,R&S Show
From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article)
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:22:19 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <92Aug13.091527edt.47897@neat.cs.toronto.edu> mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green) writes:

>A similar article appeared in the Globe & Mail and it is enough to
>make you puke. Kordic was a cement-brained, illiterate, thug. He is
>best known for sneaking up on Keith Acton, a player half his size, and
>breaking Acton's nose with a slash from behind. 

Ah, but you know what the "experts" will say.  That his violent behavior
stemmed from steroid-induced rage, fueled by the alcohol and drugs he took.

>He bitched and
>complained with the Leafs that he was "only" being paied $170,000 and
>wanted a big raise.

From what has been written about him in the past few days, this salary 
probably wasn't enough to support the habit he had.  The money went in his
arm, up his nose or down his throat.  That's why he wanted more.

I know the above may sound callous, but unfortunately I know what it's
like to be around an addict.  The only person that can help the addict is
the addict.  It doesn't matter how much counseling or rehab the addict 
goes through, the addict has to care enough about wanting to get well for
all the help to work.  It seems to me that Kordic got to the point where
he (for whatever reason) no longer cared.  And that's the real tragedy.

>Where else, except in sports, could such a truly vile human being be
>given so many chances and be paid so much for doing the same thing
>that would put any normal person in jail for several years. The
>problem is not that the NHL did too little for him but that they did
>too much. If the NHL should be crticized, it should only be for
>employing such people in the first place.

Has the NHL ever suspended a player for drug abuse?  I'm talking any kind
of suspension, not just a few week suspension.

Lori
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From: wizz@bnr.ca (Boris Volk)
Subject: Re: Adams division Analysis and Predictions
Reply-To: wizz@bnr.ca (Boris Volk)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:20:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.221043.9263@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug19.210753.574@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
|> 
|> >Malarchuk was a loser in Quebec, a loser in Washington, and a loser
|> >in Buffalo...how many more teams does he have to lose playoff series
|> >for before people realize this.  Puppa and Malarchuk are 5 and 6 on
|> >the depth chart...Hasek, Draper, Littman, and Ketterer (if he has
|> >signed) should be the goaltenders...the Sabres will go nowhere with
|> >Puppa or Malarchuk...and you can bet on that.
|> 
|> Gerald, exactly how many times did he get the chance to play in the playoffs
|> with Quebec and Washington?  I don't think he was ever given the #1 job either
|> in the playoffs with Buffalo.
|> 
|> ===============================================================================
|> GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
|> GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
|> 	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
|> ===============================================================================
|> Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
|> rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
 
 Malarchuk was 0-9 in playoff games in Quebec, 0-3 in playoff games in Wash.
I'm not sure of his record in Buffalo, (1-4 I believe) but he one of the worst
goalies I have ever seen to underacheive in the playoffs. Call it what you will,	
(I call it choking) He was known around the league as a solid backup goalie
during the regular season before his current problems, but never use him in a
playoff game. The Sabres have easily the best talent in the division, (they have
for the last 3 seasons) and will probably win the division this year under
Muckler. However until they can prove to themselves that they can win in the playoffs, it will be another frustrating season for Sabre fans. Being a Bruin's
fan I saw the same thing year after year against Montreal. They broke the streak
5 years ago and dominated them ever since.  
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Islanders Front Office Rumour: Torrie Out? (Was: Bowman: my 2 cents)
Summary: Maloney, Trottier in?
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:07:54 GMT

am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>
>Bryan Trottier didn't like what the Isles had in mind for him, 
>so he exercised his options and it's worked out very well for him. 

The Islanders might be making him a better offer ... news is that
the new ownership is on the verge of announcing the dismissal of
Bill Torrie as General Manager, with Dan Maloney taking the helm
and Bryan Trottier coming back to The Island to be groomed for a
future executive position.

gld
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From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 23:32:18 GMT

In article <allan.713829491@silver-vly> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
>vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>
>>In article <allan.713558026@menaik> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
>
>>> Olympic hockey
>>>would overshadow the other Olympic events and remove much-deserved
>>>attention from deserving atheletes.
>
>>Another true piece of NHL-style logic. Let me get it straight: you advocate
>>not including the most popular sports into the Olympics because they "would
>>overshadow the other Olympic events"? Thus, I presume, you suggest removing
>>hockey, figure skating, speed skating, skiing from th eWinter Olympics so
>>that the bobsled guys got their deserved atention?
>
>No, the problem isn't with including hockey in the Olympics, its with
>including stars in the Olympics. With an amature hockey team, people
>would watch Olympic hockey because they liked it, or because the team
>was doing well. Other people would watch figure skating, skiing, etc.
>
>Internationally, it wouldn't overshadow other sports, but if they had
>professional hockey players in the Olympics, hockey would overshadow
>the contribution of atheletes FROM COUNTRIES WHERE HOCKEY IS POPULAR!
>
>Years from now, Canadians will probably still remember Elizibeth Manley.
>But if the hockey team was stacked with professionals, they would
>probably remember 'That great Olympic hockey team of 19XX'.
>Manley? Who's that?

Using your logic, Elizabeth Manley herself overshadowed many deserving
biathletes. Thus, why don't we forbid stars from competing in Olympic
figure skating?

Similarly, why not forbid track&field stars? :-)

See the logic of it?

Vlad

Employer disagrees

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Adams division Analysis and Predictions
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:07:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.221043.9263@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.210753.574@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>>Malarchuk was a loser in Quebec, a loser in Washington, and a loser
>>in Buffalo...how many more teams does he have to lose playoff series
>>for before people realize this.  Puppa and Malarchuk are 5 and 6 on
>>the depth chart...Hasek, Draper, Littman, and Ketterer (if he has
>>signed) should be the goaltenders...the Sabres will go nowhere with
>>Puppa or Malarchuk...and you can bet on that.
>
>Gerald, exactly how many times did he get the chance to play in the playoffs
>with Quebec and Washington?  I don't think he was ever given the #1 job either
>in the playoffs with Buffalo.
>

When your playoff record is about 1 win and 15 losses...and you get
your team eliminated from the playoffs in a single round over and
over again...it is kind of hard to earn a #1 job.

Gerald
From: 0heidentha_m@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Senators/Lightning Rosters Wanted
Date: 16 Aug 92 07:33:44 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

Netters,
	Can someone please post or e-mail me the rosters of the Senators and
the Lightning?  

					Thanks
					 Mike
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Subject: Re: Bowman as Pens coach
From: degen@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:03:46 -0400
Organization: NRL SPACE SYSTEMS DIVISION

In article <1992Aug17.173317.1325@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
> In article <17AUG199211424582@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> bimson@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (GREG) writes:
> 
>>As for Terry Murray, well, I believe he should be fired.  He had three 
>>games to figure out how to get around Mario and Co. with the new and 
>>improved defense, and he couldn't do it.  Out go the Caps for the 11th 
>>straight year.
> 
> Murray did a great job during the regular season.  So, he gets to be punished
> for the team doing well in the regular season?
> 

True Murray did do a very good job during the regular season but it seemed
to me he did a terrible job during the playoffs.  The Penguins made some
adjustments defensively and offensively that worked beautifuly against the
caps and Murray did nothing to counter them.  In particular Bowman matched up
Jagr against the nearly immobile Langway.  Jagr beat him like a rented mule
over and over again.  Not many defensemen are going to look fast against
Jagr but it was painfuly obviouse to everyone except apparently Murray that
Langway may be a great team leader but no longer has the legs to cover a 
speedy winger like that.  That's just one example, there are a lot of things
Murray could have and should have done to win at least one of the last 3
games.  He did a lot of good things during the regular season, and i don't
think he should be fired, but if he doesn't do a better job in the playoffs
next year that caps had better think very seriously about a new coach.

> ===============================================================================
> GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
> GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
> 	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
> ===============================================================================
> Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
> rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:17:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.014625.6301@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.075853.2558@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>>
>>The NHL doesn't need the Olympics...did the NBA need the Olympics...
>>does major league baseball need the Olympics...does the NFL need the
>>Olympics...does FISA (that's the international soccer organization...
>>isn't it?) need the Olympics...even the IAAF has set up their own
>>track-n-field championships in odd-number years.
>
>Gerald, while I leave it up to Tery to try to penetrate your mind with
>logical arguments (a hopeless task, I suspect), let me just point out that
>your knowledge of international soccer is on par with your knowledge of
>international hockey and other international sports events.
>
>The name for the international soccer governing body, the most
>powerful sports organization in the World, is FIFA (International
>Federation of Association Football). This is, of course in the official
>language of your own country: French. Thus, being as worldly as you claim
>to be, you certainly know these things better than the rset of us idiots.
>

I admitted, or can't you read, that I wasn't certain of 
FIFA's initials...thanks for correcting me...FIFA has an age limit
for the Olympics, doesn't it...isn't it 23 years of age plus or minus
a couple of years...and don't they do this not to undermine the
prestige of the World Cup...so I don't know their bloody initials...

Gerald
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From: bks@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse)
Subject: NHL HOCKEY NEWS FOR 8-20-92
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:42:51 GMT
Keywords: notes


NHL HOCKEY NEWS FOR 8-20-92

RULING:

An arbitrator has ruled that the league's average salary for 1991-92 was
$368,603 and that Ric Nattress and Steve Konroyd, defensemen, were eligible
for free agency because their salaries fell below the average.  Nattress,
who was with the MAPLE LEAFS in 1991-92 signed an offer sheet with the
FLYERS.  Konroyd has re-signed with the WHALERS.


TRANSACTIONS:

The Los Angeles KINGS named Rick Minch director of media relations.

The New York ISLANDERS named Darcy Regier assistant general manager.

The New York RANGERS signed Frederik Jax, right wing.

The Toronto MAPLE LEAFS acquired Sylvain Lefebvre, defenseman, from the
Montreal CANADIENS for a third round draft pick in 1994.

The Washington CAPITALS acquired Yvon Corriveau, left wing, from the 
Hartford WHALERS to complete the June 15th trade that sent Nick Kypreos
to the WHALERS for Mark Hunter.


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