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From: aa761@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick Murowsky)
Subject: Re: Alas, poor Worf
Reply-To: aa761@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick Murowsky)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 23:19:39 GMT


In a previous article, SJOSEPHS@130.187.183.14 (STEVEN JOSEPHSON) says:

>Tis sad, but true, Worf does get his ass handed to him far frequently. 
>Sometimes it makes a little sence - Worf is no match for Data. But what about
>Admiral Quinn when he had an infestation of smart-lice? He should still have
>been no match for Worf. There was one scene in I can't remember which episode
>where the bad guy was making a run for the door when it opened and there was
>Worf.  Worf fended off his rush with a fairly casual gesture, more of what one
>might expect.  What surprises me as well is that, when Worf does fight, he
>*fights*.  A warrior, particularly one with responsibilities, doesn't fight, he
>_wins_.  There is a difference.

Worf might just be an awesome warrior.  However, it seems that everytime he
tries to get a fight started, Riker or Picard waves him off with a simple
"At ease, Lieutenant" or something like that.  He may be overzealous,
though, like attempting to stop Lore in the TurboLift, or taking on the
Alasomorph in Sick Bay.  

He should stick to reading love poetry.

"A ship has ONE BRIDGE.  ONE BRIDGE!!!  One Riker, one bridge.  RGGHERGHH!"

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From: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: New TNG Characters
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <7123569413051@neptune.mcs.anl.gov>, deboer@neptune.mcs.anl.gov (Ms. Jennifer L. DeBoer) writes...

>For one thing, I think the new First Officer should be a woman.  All of
>the senior officers in *Command* are male:  Picard, Riker, Data, Geordi, and
>Worf.  The only 2 female bridge officers are a counselor and a doctor:  both
>are in "caring" roles.  Don't get me wrong; I think that Dr. Crusher and Troi
>are fine characters, but I would like to see a woman in a command role.  After
>all, this is the 24th century; with all their talk about equality, don't you
>think the bridge crew should reflect those values?
> 
>Just my $0.02 worth.


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From: adamsf@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: New Characters (splitting up the crew?)
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:53:14 EST
Distribution: canada,usa
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Jul28.232009.13151@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, p5ku@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (BAMFORD) writes:
> 	I was just reading these discussions, so I thought that I'd put
> in a word or two.  Removing the characters in question from service aboard
> the Enterprise might lead to a larger scope of storylines.  That is,
> suppose Data, Worf, and JLP left to go on to bigger and brighter positions.
> Conceivably, episodes could then be made centering on adventures happening
> to any one of these people, and not just on the Enterprise.  This might
> yield greater scope of plots, something which I feel has been lacking
> this season (save one or two of the episodes).  Besides, the reassignment
> of Chekov in STII and Sulu in STVI didn't really hinder the Enterprise
> (albeit these are not great examples, as both screenplays were written
> with the purpose to bring them back into the action).
> 
> 	Actually, I always wondered what ST:TNG would be like if they turned
> it into a "St. Elsewhere" or "L.A. Law" type format, i.e. multiple
> subplots which continue from week to week.  If the Enterprise crew
> got split up, this could possibly be a good way to follow them.  

I like this idea.  The writers would then be released from having to solve
each situation in the one-hour format  - allowing for commercials and the 
like.

> 
> 	Ideas? Opinions? 16 ton weights?
>
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Alas, poor Worf!  I knew him, Horatio.
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:21:51 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <14705@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

> Why not?  After all, they're doing it for Sela...  :-)

OK. I'll bite.  Who's Sela?  (Sarek's Wife?)

Terry
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From: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Subject: Re: Endless whining about consistency
Reply-To: wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 03:09:05 GMT


In a previous article, mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior) says:

>|> Look, I've been reading a good deal of these posts.  There has been
>|> a lot of rambling about why the Klingon's heads are bumpy now and
>|> they weren't before, not to mention a few other things.  I have only
>|> one thing to add....
>
>Well, if you don't like it, don't read it.  
>
>I always thought the reason for non-bumpy Klingons in TOS was
>because 1) TOS didn't have the budget and 2) Because the NBC producers thought it
>was way too weird for their viewers.  (They wanted to have Spock show up without
>makeup because they thought viewers would be scared or repulsed by him)

I've gotten a few angry responses.  I haven't replied to all.  But I would
like to say a few things in my defense.

As far as the 'If you don't like it, don't read it' argument is concerned,
that is a total crock on a board like this where discussion topics change
but the header doesn't.  I have noticed similar discussions taking part on
three of four seperate headers, only one of which was related to the topic.

You will also notice that the budget argument has been brought up several
times.  It's like no one reads anything else anyone says.  There must
have been over 75 posts about the Klingon's heads, but about 4 or 5
different opinions were expressed.  Get my point?  That's why I said
give it a rest.  It's the same crap over and over and over and over and
over and over.  Move on already.
-- 

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From: masa@athena.mit.edu (Masahiro Arakawa)
Subject: Re: Poker & IR
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 07:37:33 GMT

About Geordi being able to read the face of a poker card through the back -

Now, I'm no expert, but bear with me here.

Suppose you wrote some stuff on a white piece of paper, and put it between
you and a source of visible light (say a lamp). Now, you'd be able to read 
(to some extent) what was written on that page, right? This is because the
black writing absorbs more light than the white paper, and the light passes
more easily through the parts of the paper which were not written on.

Okay, now consider the analogous thing with poker cards and IR. As someone 
holds up their poker cards, they are putting them between Geordi and a source
of IR radiation (their bodies). Assuming that the different colors on a poker
card absorb IR radiation at different rates, Geordi should be able to see
the other side of the card (although the back of the card might interfere
with his ability to read the card, just like if I wrote something on both 
sides of the paper).

Anyway, please don't harass my mailbox with your responses. Just post them.

Masahiro Arakawa
masa@athena.mit.edu


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From: schamber@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY)
Subject: Re: Alas, poor Worf
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:22:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.124939.2056@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson) writes:
>
>I remember the first time I was watching Star Trek and someone was
>running amok on the ship.  I believe it was Lore or the admiral
>with the bug in his neck.  Then he ran into Worf.  'Oh boy', I
>thought, 'At last I get to see Worf kick someone's butt.'  Of
>course, Worf was on the floor in a matter of seconds.  I excused
>him for being outmatched.
>
>I began to notice a pattern.  First, there was some action.  Then
>Worf runs in.  I think this might be the time Worf finally beats
>someone into a bloody pulp.  Then I am disappointed.
>
>There was, however, the one time he beat up on the holodeck 
>creatures.  Big deal!
>
>Come to think of it, I can't recall one time when I saw Worf win.
>I thought Klingons were the warriors of warriors.

What about "Reunion" (the TV episode, not the book)?

He killed Duras... but of course, his opponent was another Klingon... ;-)

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>
>


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From: smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon)
Subject: Re: Friendly little poker games?
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Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 23 Jul 1992 08:16 EST  

In article <1992Jul22.174221.12717@cs.sfu.ca>, kenward@cs.sfu.ca (Kenward Chin) writes...
>In article <1992Jul21.172527.11312@cs.sfu.ca>, kenward@cs.sfu.ca (Kenward Chin) writes...
>>
>>Well, how about including Worf, Picard, and Crusher into the game?  Ok, let's
>>rephrase the problem:
>> 
>>In a no-holds barred poker tournament involving every "regular" (you can
>>interpret this yourself) member of the Enterprise crew, what would the final
>>ranking be?
> 
>Oh, how about adding the TOS crew members also?  (Don't you all just *love*
>silly threads like this?)  B-)
> 
But then Jacks would be high, except on Tuesdays, when 3's are wild and
a two pair beats out a full house...

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Cause & Effect:  2 questions
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:23:58 GMT

In article <SMARGARI.92Jul25230139@emmy.nmsu.edu> smargari@nmsu.edu (Susan Margarit) writes:
>We just saw the rerun of Cause and Effect tonight and wanted to ask 2
>questions of fellow net trek readers:
>
>My question:  Did the enterprise crew die each time they went through
>the loop, and if so, how would you explain how they were "resurrected"?
>

Yes, they died every time, but remember, this is a Time Loop, so time
rewinds itself back to the point of their entrance into the region and
te poker game, therefore their deaths rewound.
This type of thing has been used several times in another series,
"Doctor Who."  The main difference between Who's treatment and TNG's
is that the people began to notice the looping after it had gone on
so long, thanks to this mythical Dechyon field the writers dreamed up.
Put simply, a Dechyon field looks like it's your "soul," and it
remembers the looping while your full brain functions do not.
In reality, I don't think we ordinary humans would have such a field,
and would not be able to notice the loop restarting itself over and
over.  Somebody asked me where Guinan was in this episode, since she
should have noticed right away, or at least after a while.
My theory is that the original script had the humans, android, Klingon,
and Half-Betazoid *not* noticing the loops, only Guinan, and then
the episode would have dealt with her trying to convince the crew.
Then, Whoopi Goldberg went to South Africa to film a movie, and so
the script had to be amended, for the better I think dramatically
speaking.  Scientifically speaking, we get this imaginary particle
which *could* exist, but seems a little too convenient to me.
Also, we have the crew of the other ship looping for 80- years, and
they didn't notice!  Under this Dechyon script, this shouldn't have
happened, but under my theoretical Guinan script, there is no problem
since Guinan isn't on the other ship.


>My husbands question:  How come on a ship of over 1000 persons, were
>there only 5 couples "getting it on" (so to speak)? :)  :)  :)
>
>Susan (nosig) Margarit

I must have missed that bit.  I can't recall heearing that.
But, well, a lot of them are on duty, a number of them are children,
a number of them don't match species, and there's the old she's on
duty when I'm not scheduleing mismatch.
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Alas, poor Worf!  I knew him, Horatio.
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:57:24 GMT

I've decided the reason why Worf hasn't been able to beat up anyone, except
Durass (sp?) and Mr. Bubblehead from the Price of Watching.  The writers just 
naturally assume that we (the viewers) think Worf is some bad-ass and if any 
alien beats him up, that alien has got to be tough.  Unfortunately (for the
writers), the viewers tend to be a little bit more discriminating.

BTW, Worf *was* my favorite character, but the current treatment of his character
leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.  Worf should send Alexander away to Klingon
boarding school.  

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From: bob@anasazi.com (Bob Carroll)
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine and BABYLON 5
Reply-To: bob@misty.UUCP (Bob Carroll)
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:08:20 GMT

In article <JN2aoB2w164w@jaflrn.UUCP> Scott Gorcey <scottgor@jaflrn.UUCP> writes:
>Anyway, finally!, a lot of people - both on fandom's side and behind
>the scenes at Paramount - have commented on the similarity of DS9
>to BABYLON 5.  The obvious - and therefore suspect - answer to the
>"accusation" is that BABYLON 5 was created and presumably the two hour
>pilot pre-produced (and probably filmed by now) in ULTRA SECRECY.  

At Westercon it was stated that they had just started set construction and
were in the final stages on signing the cast. I doubt they have completed
filming. However, they may have some of the animation sequences completed.

>Another answer is they knew about it and stole (whether purposefully,
>or more likely: subconsciously) the basic concept of a space station
>weigh station between "US" and "WEIRD ALIENS" - the details of
>DS9 and BABYLON 5, you have to admit, make all the difference, not
>their basic permises being somewhat similar.  

BABYLON 5 has been in the works for several years (not having seen any
documentation to support this). If I remeber correctly they said the 
concept was pitched to the "Paramount People".  BABYLON 5 may well have
been the seed which resulted in ST:DSN or Paramount may have already
been working on the concept. 

>BABYLON 5 looks to be more "Twin Peakish" SF; Berman and Piller, the
>latter of whom will be responsible for day to day operations on the
>new series, have promised gritty action and adventure: not surreal
>intrique and complex character schemes.

They indicated that each show was to be a complete story withing a greater
ongoing story.  None of the miss one episode and your fucked stuff (TP).

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From: Jeff Lee <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sirtis's English accent
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 22:58:58 EDT
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

In article <1992Jul20.154302.5683@iscsvax.uni.edu>, althof5805@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> 
> *Yes!*  She most certainly does have an English accent (just like Patrick
> Stewart!--dja ever wonder why a native Frenchman would have a *flawless*
> English accent?  He must be a linguistic god).

Yes, especially when all the rest of his family have French accents...  :-)


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From: chrisb@wixer.cactus.org (Chris Blandy)
Subject: Re: Alas, poor Worf
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 20:28:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.124939.2056@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William
 C. Thompson) writes:
>
>I began to notice a pattern.  First, there was some action.  Then
>Worf runs in.  I think this might be the time Worf finally beats
>someone into a bloody pulp.  Then I am disappointed.
>
>There was, however, the one time he beat up on the holodeck
>creatures.  Big deal!
>
>Come to think of it, I can't recall one time when I saw Worf win.
>I thought Klingons were the warriors of warriors.
>
Consider the fact that being a member of Starfleet, Worf had to attend the
academy just like every one else.  In the academy, they train you to be not
only a military thinker, but also a diplomat.  This 'human' training most
likely caused Worf to tone down his instincts and not be as aggressive.  If
you consider how many times Worf could have blown his top, and Picard reminded
him of his duties, then you will realize that he is a good fighter as well as
a good diplomat.  His warrior upbringings have been diluted by his training
at the academy!

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From: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman)
Subject: Q Goes Slumming Again
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:07:22 GMT

On last night's USA Network showing of Murder She Wrote (they've got the
syndicated nightly reruns of past seasons), John DeLancie was one of the
guest stars, portraying a preppie, golf-loving /*** SPOILER ALERT!!! ***/
art thief /*** END SPOILER!!! ***/ named Binky.  Binky had the Qish
pompous arrogance we all know and love.

After seeing this and the Get Smart movie (watch for "Smartrek II: The
Wrath of Q" if I get the time to complete it), I'm wondering if DeLancie
gets typecast for these roles because he's so good at it or because he
can't act in any other style.

==Ken
From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Newthread: TNG Fashion
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:07:42 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Jul23.134207.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>
>Does anyone besides me wonder why the off-duty and civilian fashions
i                                      ^^^^^^^^
To my recollection, the only off-duty attire I've seen has been on Picard
and Beverly--loungewear/jammies. Marina Sirtis once remarked at a con
that Tasha Yar borrowed one of Deanna's "Wonderful clothes" in Naked Now.
Yet, as Lwaxana points out in CoL, all she ever seems to wear are those
purple suits, and solid blue dresses for special occasions. Very dull,
indeed.

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From: kirk@cs.duke.edu (Scooter Corleone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:51:07 GMT
Organization: The Zymurgy Institute

In article <70585@apple.Apple.COM> stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul25.172053.24591@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) writes:
>
>>>4) When playing the detective Spock mentioned that an ancestor of his or
>>>something to that extent once said something along the lines of, "When that
>>>which is impossible is eliminated, that which remains, however improbable,
>>>must be the truth". If I am not mistaken it was Sherlock Holmes (fictional?)
>>>who is given credit for this quote.
>
>I always thought of it as a semi-joke along the same lines as the Klingon's
>comment "You haven't heard Shakespeare until you've heard him in the
>original Klingon." In other words, Spock was claiming that Sherlock Holmes
>was a Vulcan. Both tie in with the racism/culture difference theme of the
>movie.
>

I thought it was part of the stupid dialogue. While I liked STAR TREK VI,
I found the constant nonstop meaningless
name-and-famous-lines-from-literature-dropping to be extremely pointless.
Christopher Plummer's character was the worst offender--it was like he was
just flipping through Bartlett's Familiar Quotations and tossing in catchy
phrases at random. STAR TREK II quoted from MOBY DICK to reinforce the
parallels between that book and movie, but in STAR TREK VI, the quotes were
nothing but intellectual masturbation.  

Another literature-related issue in Star Trek that bugs me is how everyone
is the universe knows Shakespeare. Now, as a Once and Future English Major,
I like Shakespeare--heck, it's practically required, but I like him on his
own--but it's unrealistic to have him be so literally universally popular.
I know it's another proof that Star Trek is made more for the entertainment
of people know rather than an accurate prediction  of The Future, but when
they succumb to rococco excess with the dialogue like they did in TREK VI,
the filmmakers really overstimate the viewing public's knowledge of the
classics.

No worries,

Scooter Corleone
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Alas, poor Worf! I knew him, Horatio.
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:48:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.153732.2998@hubcap.clemson.edu> charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
>tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood) writes:
>>Worf is a "sensitive" Klingon.
>
>Naaah.  Worf is a "kinder, gentler" Klingon. :)

And I suppose, when he gets his ass kicked, he sees a thousand points of light
dancing in front of his eyes...


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From: <PAB7@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: More ST:TNG Actor Roles

Rosalind Chao was Lieutenant Castillo's wife in an episode of "Miami Vice".
Wil Wheaton was recently in a made-for-cable movie called "The Last Prostitute"
in which Sonia Braga was outstanding and he was not half bad.