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From: jmd@bear.com (Josh Diamond)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:40:38 GMT
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	<1992Dec17.194124.25870@cs.ucla.edu>
Organization: Bear, Stearns & Co. - FAST
In-reply-to: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu's message of 17 Dec 92 19:41:24 GMT


In article <1992Dec17.194124.25870@cs.ucla.edu> gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:

   I am sorry that I jumped to some conclusions about some things that
   were said in this thread.  Some of these issues really push my
   buttons, because I have felt my generosity has been taken advantage of
   too many times for me to ignore it.

Very powerful that.

There is something advantageous about having you buttons pushed in
this type of environment.  It provides an opportunity to get really 
clear on what decisions you have made about yourself and the world.
When you "push your buttons" you are challenging those decisions --
and that is how you can discover whether they support you, or hold
you back...


Spidey!!!

--
You don't hunt ducks with a turnip! 

 /\ \  / /\  Josh Diamond                                          jmd@bear.com
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From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Giving and Receiving
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:59:05 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
> 
> Yeah, I just gave my honey a rock and she really loves it - must be because
> it's shiny.  :-)

Which reminds me that I've been meaning to congratulate you.  Someone 
will probably comment on the appropriateness of you ending up with a
professional clown, but I won't do it.  Will you be having a weird
wedding story to add to the other thread, or are you going to be
conventional?

Dawn

Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.
"Folk Song" by Bongwater
Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men,ba.singles,misc.legal
From: lkahn@mitre.org (Larry Kahn)
Subject: Re: Over 40 and single....Anyone that "OLD"?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:05:29 GMT

 aa752@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Louise Billi) writes:

Over 40 (just a tad) women have a terrible time of it.
Men in that age group are all looking for the young "Tenderoni"
to make him feel like a kid again.  Can't men realize that 
most younger women see them as either a "Father Figure" or
a "Sugar Daddy"?  Is that what they really want in a mate?

And it is sad today that wrinkles on a woman mean she is OLD, 
yet on a man, they add character.  This 'youth oriented' 
culture leaves the over 40 woman out in the cold.
********************************************************************

Yeah, over 40 is really getting up there isn't it. (I've got a year to go:)).
I don't mind older women at all, for me it's more attitude than age.  The 
best thing about over 30's in general is that they have more of a sense of 
who they are and are more established both professionally and in 
lifestyle.  What I hate is people who get really stuffy and boring as they 
get older; me, I'll always be a college kid at heart so that's what I look 
for in others.  No sense giving up rock music and switching to opera just 
because everyone else **expects** you to.
   However, since I haven't found a mate yet, nothing wrong with a young 
Tenderoni from time to time, is there?:)
 

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From: robert@informix.com (Robert Coleman)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Date: 12 Dec 92 01:26:19 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:

>So how would the discussion go, say, 10 years down the road?

>"Better not try to find Daddy, Brian; he'd rather you didn't exist.  See
>this contract I signed?  This was so Daddy wouldn't have to deal with you.
>That part?  That's where he said he'd help pay for the abortion.  No, he
>didn't want to pay for anything else; he really didn't want a son just then.
>Don't worry about it, dear, it was just one of those things ..."

	Followed by: "But Mommy, why did *you* sign this contract?  Why did
you make a baby with someone who doesn't love me?"

	Seriously, why would any woman create a baby using the DNA of a man who
didn't want a baby yet?  Why not find one who did, rather than subject a
child to the sort of pain you're describing?  Isn't she at least as responsible
for the pain the child will then feel as he is, given that she *knew* this
would happen, and created Brian anyway?

Robert C.

	
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: capnal@aqua.whoi.edu (Al Duester)
Subject: Re: Als pizza recipe lets see ya flame this?
Organization: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 19:49:21 GMT



In <1992Dec8.222931.4380@cbfsb.cb.att.com> 
jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) wrote:

>Al the man. You be da man. Al is the pizza king etc etc etc.
> 
>Pizza questions:
>Why would one use 2.5 cups of King Arthur bleached flour vs
>3 cups(2 white, 1 wheat) if not KA? Hmmm?

Because I screwed up when editing. I used to use three cups of flour, and
no gluten, before I decided I wanted a thinner, chewier crust. The 1/4 cup
gluten seems to need as much water as 1/2 cup flour. KA does have more
gluten than most flours, but I'm greedy. 2/3rd's should be white flour.

>What would happen if you used Olive Oil vs extra virgin Olive Oil? hmm?
>Save it clowny's.

The extra virgin has more flavor than regular. It's kinda lost in the
crust, so probably very little taste difference in the end product. I like
it because I eat those crust ends that so many people discard.

>Towards the bottom of your desc you mention whole wheat crust. So when 
>attempting the whole wheat you would then use the 2 pkg fast rising yeast?
>(Just want to make sure I'm reading this correctly). Hate whole wheat
>it'll kill ya.

The WW is heavier, and with all the other stuff, seems to need more of a
charge of yeast to get moving in a short time. The WW crust is breadier and
not as chewy, lacking the gluten. I'm looking forward to trying the new
white whole wheat that's coming onto the market.

>Now while I may not come off as domesticated I clip coupons but buy
>expensive toys. There's a connection there.

Certainly! You can usually save more per hour doing double coupons (if
you're part of a coupon swap) than you can earn on a normal engineering
salary.
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is gold-digging?
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:45:39 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

marcia@netcom.com (Marcia) writes:

}In article <8fKV03UOc35G00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@pls.amdahl.com writes:
}>This is a prime example of why so many men today are so confused.  To
}>some women, if the man doesn't pay then he's got no class.  To other
}>women, if the man does pay then he's not treating the woman as an equal.

}Women are just as confused. If the guy wants to split the check, is it 
}because he wants to start off as equals, or is it because he's just cheap?
}(Men can be "goldiggers" just as much as women can.)

Hey, wait a minute.  If *we're* confused and *you're* confused, then
who the hell knows the rules around here?  What, you're trying to say
that we're all just floundering around trying to read minds and to have
our minds read in return?  There's gotta be a better way.

}Personally, I've always felt that the person who asks should be prepared to
}pay. And when I have asked, I have paid. I've even paid for both of us even
}when I haven't asked, just because I enjoy treating someone to a meal. I also
}enjoy being treated. This is what is meant by equals to me - we are both
}capable of giving and receiving.

Ah, maybe this is my problem; I've never been the one who didn't ask (I
mean for a first date, that is).  Hey Piglet, do you know any women in
this area?

--James Preston

Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: wtr@mitre.org (Bill Ralston)
Subject: Re: Breaking with Tradition (was: Re: Picking up the Tab)
Followup-To: soc.singles
Organization: MITRE
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:47:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.213142.10081@gvl.unisys.com>, liz@vfl.paramax.com
(Liz Loquacious) wrote:
> 
> In article <92350.203417SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Graydon) writes:
> |> 
> |> I mean, I'm seen a couple flip a coin for the bill.  One lady I went out
> |> with, it was a case of who could pounce on the thing first (as a game,
> |> not a serious run over the waitress behaviour.)
> |> 
> 
> Your flipping of a coin mention reminded me of some friends of mine who
> pulled names from a hat to determine what their last name would be after
> they were married.  They wanted one common name, didn't like the hyphenated
> idea, so they wrote them down and pulled one out.  Her name was pulled so
> he changed his.

I have some friends who got married and rather than taking either's name,
they chose a completely new name and both changed.

-- Bill wtr@mitre.org
* If my employer knew what I was posting, I'd probaby be unemployed *
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: julie@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Julie Wright)
Subject: Re: New Relationships...
Organization: The Cultural Elite
	<12DEC199223015971@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov> <oneil.724227891@cwis>
	<1992Dec15.230110.23872@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:21:48 GMT

tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:

>   Trygve   (Who doesn't feel the need to leap into bed immediately with
>	     a romantic partner, but who has found that if it doesn't happen
>	     right away (without pressure from my end), the relationship
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	     is probably doomed to a quick death.) 

I see -- you feel that if it's necessary for _you_ to sit on _her_
ribcage, it's just not going to work out.

---Julie
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From: pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Guy Pickering)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Women: would you go out with a man dumber than you?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:24:09 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, England
NNTP-Posting-Host: nanda_devi.eee.bham.ac.uk
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I think raw "qualification" intelligence has little bearing on
whether I find someone attractive. However, if I say something
a little odd or subtle and they are sharp enough to pick up on it,
then that is a big plus point.

It is great when you can say something ironic or just plain odd
and the other person has the same train of thought and smiles.

I still class this as intelligence, but it is as applicable to
Pile High's as it is to....Ah I'm going to offend someone here so I'll
just say non-Pile High's :-)


Guy.

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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: twombly@goethe.credtech.com (chris twombly)
Subject: Re: What is gold-digging?
Reply-To: twombly@credtech.com (chris twombly)
Organization: Credit Technologies Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:56:12 GMT

Lets face it y'all... "gold digging" isn't gender specific at all: men and
women are both capable of taking advantage of others "SO". 

The problem usually seems to be that the victim (the "diggee") is lonely
and really *adores* the "diggor", and will do whatever the "diggor" wants
in return for whatever affection the s/he is willing to give.

Continuation of the diggee to provide for the diggor indicates a serious
lack of self respect/esteem, or maybe a lack of reality altogeather.

Great relationships are built on (IMHO) equality, mutual respect, and sharing
in each others fun, sorrows, laughs, etc. Bad ones are almost always built on
(amongst many other reasons) your so-called SO draining your bank account.
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: New Relationships...
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:57:37 GMT

In article <Bz46x9.5rz@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, bgpierce@magellan.uwaterloo.ca (B.G. Pierce) writes:
> 
>   Heterosexual males feel a *need*, or better yet a compulsion to be
> close to women.  I'm single, but some good friends of mine are in pretty

I beg to differ (actually I don't beg, I've never begged in my life, except
to women).  I don't feel any need or compulsion to be close to women, I enjoy
it if the opportunity presents itself, but I don't go bonkers if it doesn't
happen.

> 
>     Looks like I've set myself up for a quick-fry-your-ass-flame-storm(tm)
> again!  Shit!   Well...maybe the news poster will eat this letter?!?
> 

No flames, just different prespective.  Perhaps I'm lucky not to have a 
real need, I'd be dead now.

Larry
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings)
Subject: Re: Over 40 and single....Anyone that "OLD"?
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:05:52 GMT

In article <1ghthrINNa8p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aa752@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Louise Billi) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Over 40 (just a tad) women have a terrible time of it.
> Men in that age group are all looking for the young "Tenderoni"
                            ---

I take exception to this statement and all statements which lump ALL men,
women, caucasion, whatever.  I for one am not like any other man and cannot
be included with all the other men, on this subject or others.

I may look at the young (and will as long as my eyes hold out) but I do not
look for them.  I will not date or even consider dating anyone under 25, and
that is about the only solid limitation I put on prospective dates.  I'm 37
and maybe 25 could be considered young but I will also date women that much
older plus.  The most recent woman I attempted to date was mid fourties, and
it was not my decision that prevented anything from developing.

> 
> And it is sad today that wrinkles on a woman mean she is OLD, 
> yet on a man, they add character.  This 'youth oriented' 
> culture leaves the over 40 woman out in the cold.
> 

Obviously (from other posts on this thread) you are just looking at the
wrong fireplaces.

> Brrrrrrr.....
> 
> Louise
> 

Larry
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Subject: Re: Fetishes?
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:53:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Dec16.020043.21531@netcom.com> cocoa@netcom.com writes:

>So there's all this argument about intellectual, physical, etc., button-pushing
>and fetishes and what does it.  Weirdly enough, my physical fetish is,
>round, plump shoulders.  Does anyone else find this extremely attractive?
>Or am I just too weird?

After some of the discussions I've had with people I've come to know,
not much is going to faze me.  If you want to earn the weirdness award,
you're going to have to go a _lot_ further than that :-)

Rob T (whose fetishes and preferences are well understood, but private :-)
--
Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com
"Sometimes it feels like the sun just comes up out of habit,
 And goes down as quick as it can,
 These days, you just have to grab it as it goes by."
Xref: sparky soc.singles:33696 alt.pagan:14163 alt.romance:15157 alt.sex:39402 alt.polyamory:2104
From: wa137@sdcc12.ucsd.edu (john e. clark)
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.pagan,alt.romance,alt.sex,alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Truth/Psychiatrists and homosexuality.
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:05:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.singles
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Dec10.202543.23000@fcom.cc.utah.edu> freier@mail.physics.utah.edu (rodney james freier) writes:
+If gays truly suffer from a mental disorder, then it's a remarkably convenient
+one. We can stay in the closed for years on end with no one suspecting that
+we are really "defective".  But if we can manage to handle our lives, that
+is all that really matters, and others who call us mentally ill are merely
+distorting the term to their own purposes.

First there are a large class of 'disorders' which if the individual
is not 'stressed' will not be seen, and hence the individual may
appear to 'pass' as behaving 'normally' (in fact the person is
'normal' for all intents and purposes). The some stress occurs and
similar to a weak muscle or artery, pop, the mental problem arises.
Similarly to the physical analogy the individual may never recover
the pre-stress normal behavior state.

This is not to class homosexuality as a 'disorder', but to note that
'passing' does not imply that all is well, or the future doesn't
hold for some abnormal behavior.

+I have a war-gaming friend who believes that if anyone touches his dice, they
+will roll against him.I have another who believes that his headaches bring him
+good luck.  Another of my friends bites his fingernails.  Another has intense 

Second, there is a large class of behaviors which are 'accepted' as being
'non-normal' but 'ignorable', unfortunately sex behavior is not
amoung them, (except in the most constrained 'accepted' variations).

Actually, what may be better stated is that these behaviors are
'tolerated'. Toleration here means that an individual may object, for
what ever reasons, to certain behaviors, but chooses to ignore them.
In regard to sexual behaviors for the most part all I ask of the
'society at large' is tolerance, I really don't give a shit about
'acceptance'.


-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (dreas)
Subject: Re: New Relationships...
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 01:23:48 GMT

In article 11516@cbfsb.cb.att.com, sms@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steven.m.stein) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.214306.9743@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>>In article 13370@cbfsb.cb.att.com, sms@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (steven.m.stein) writes:
>
>>Sorry I fooled you. I really have great globs of respect and compassion for
>>all women. This was just a bit of satire, Steve. The [TM] refers to whiners
>>who persist in asking women out when the women have made it perfectly clear
>>that they are not in the least bit interested.
>>
>>I don't always post my exact views on everything, get it? If you don't find
>>some of my off-the-wall comments amusing, fine! I suppose you need smileys 
>>to catch the intent of my article...
>>
>>Get it now? Been a long time since I tried to conform to what people
>>thought I should be. Shit, man! Don't believe everything I write!!!!
>>
>>dreas
>
>Sheeeesh, a little touchy, aren't we?
>Might we be going through a slight case of PMS ourselves?

Maybe you, Ol'Bean! </.)

dreas
From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is gold-digging?
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:20:48 GMT
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	<1992Dec16.004123.11907@netcom.com>
	<47ri039qc4CW00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
In-reply-to: jsp@uts.amdahl.com's message of 16 Dec 92 23:45:39 GMT

In article <47ri039qc4CW00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston) writes:


   Hey, wait a minute.  If *we're* confused and *you're* confused, then
   who the hell knows the rules around here? 

Well you might ask.
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: More, Do Not try this at home .....
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:17:59 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <JULIE.92Dec14220106@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu> julie@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Julie Wright) writes:
|
|>Wow. I thought they were for squezzzzing your love one late at night.  ;-)
|
|>Todd
|
|Am I the only one who's about to need to get my keyboard cleaned after
|I vomit all over it?
 
Here Julie, you can borrow my barfbag, it hasn't been used.  This thread
kind of defines whole new purpose to those items known as "screensavers".

|Yes, I know I could learn to be more proficient with the kill file,
|but it's more fun to criticize.

Also, it could be more useful.  Perhaps if enough people criticize people
will be reluctant to continue this kind of thing...........Nah.
 
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