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From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: PEOPLE: Jayembee retires from r.a.c.
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:20:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr14.162030.2841
Organization: The Little Ciscos of the Poor

In <1992Apr14.035601.10292@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty) writes:


>An era has ended...

Yeah, but I bet he still gets more votes than I do in the next RAC Poll.

-- 
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   (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)   | This turf of dynasty, this dugout of Kirby,
   The Cat That Walked   | This other Nicholet, major league paradise,
        By Himself       | This dome built by Minnesota for herself"   Kelly II
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From: ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest)
Subject: Re: DC: The Shadow Strikes!
Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 14:55:36 GMT

NOTE: I've changed the subject line to include a header.  Check
those headers, guys'n'gals!

bulloj@aix.rpi.edu (John Bullough) writes:
>In article <92103.140151JRB128@psuvm.psu.edu> <JRB128@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>       Well, The Shadow Strikes! ends with the current issue, and
>I guess I feel sorry for you--maybe now you know how all those of us
>who liked Helfer & Baker's SHADOW felt when that got cancelled. I tried
>to enjoy The Shadow Strikes! when it came out, but after being
>spoiled by the excellent humor in Helfer's Shadow, Jones's Shadow
>just kind of paled in a limp and pathetic way. 

I couldn't get into The Shadow Strikes either, possibly due to having
read Shadow stories in serialized form (and on radio show tape).  The art
was appropriately murky at times, but not heavily stylized.  I think that
The Shadow almost merits absurd art, like Baker's art on the Helfer and
Baker days, or Kaluta, with exaggerated action and huge billowing scarves.
The current stuff is restrained, and a little boring.

That's what I love about Batman; each artist has a different interpretation, 
almost like they are giving visual narrative about something they personally
witnessed, but due to their own personal view, have biased in the telling.
Bisley's Batman vs. Dredd comes to mind; people complained about the
hyper-muscular Batman, but ask any dozen people who may have seen the Batman
in action and they'll give you a dozen different descriptions.  Just like each 
artist.  Same goes for the Batmobile; almost everytime I pick up a new Batman 
issue, it seems there's a stylistically new Batmobile.  Do *you* know anyone 
who has the time to hold down a head the one of the world's largest corporations, 
keep up a steady series of philanthropic and social appearances, spend every 
nightime hour in the guise of the worlds' greatest detective in pursuit of the 
vilest criminals *and* turn out new Batmobiles at a rate that would impress 
Iaccoca?  I didn't think so.  It's the same Batmobile.   :-)

d-
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|\__\___               Derryl Dean DePriest     ddd@cvs.rochester.edu          
||  |\__\___     Neuroscience Graduate Program and Center for Visual Science  
|| D||  |\__\                      University of Rochester                     
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    \|__|| D |       "This guy's got more comics than a motherf*ck*r!"
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From: dream@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Michael P. Simon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: PEOPLE: PAD:  the Best/Worst Suckies (was Re: Best/Worst PAD)
Summary: PAD story, my favorite....
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:49:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: bsu-cs.1340
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana

In article <1992Apr7.202810.1@fnalf.fnal.gov>, morrow@fnalf.fnal.gov (The Third Elmo) writes:
> In article <12019@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
> > 	What is your favorite PAD story?  Why?
> > 
> > 	What is your least favorite PAD story?  Why?
> > 
> > 					Mike Oda


My favorite story of his has always been the annual of Spider-Man 
that had a character named ACE in it.  I think it was a PPTSSM annual
but i don't remember the number.
I remember it mostly because i really liked the character but, it sort of
bothered me that he looked just like Michael Jackson (pre bleaching).
From: m107a-ag@euler.Berkeley.EDU (m107a student)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: GAMBIT IS COOL
Keywords: bogus loser
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:25:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California at Berkeley

In article <11883@tamsun.tamu.edu> jrp3935@tamuts.tamu.edu (Jonny Ray Purvis) writes:
>In article <92095.224213RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu> RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>Am I the only one who thinks that Gambit is the coolest mutant of them all?
>>Never mind the fact that it's "fated" that he betrays the X-Men and all that
>>jazz but he's the only one of them with style.  He's also beat up on
>>Wolverine "Bang you dead!"
>
>     Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to like him alot.  Personally, 
>Longshot is the only X-Man I've ever hated more.  I cannot abide the cajun. 
>One reason I've heard for liking him was his looks.  Seems to me this is an
>artist thing,  and he might be ugly when Lee leaves.  I can't see how Gambit
>is any better looking than the rest of the guys,not that I'm qualified to be
>a judge :').  I wish they would bring Kitty and Kurt back into the fold.
>While some of the new people are interesting,  they are not *my* X-Men. 
>
>Jon
>
>
>
 just for the record, Longshot is probably my favorite marvel character
EVER and I like Gambit for some of the same reasons.  Funny world, huh?

Jim
From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Thor vs. Spidey
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:12:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: yang.1992Apr15.201218.16999
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Apr10.141143.55868@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN) writes:
> All right Defalco now you're really getting on my nerves!
> 
>     First you take away the true GOD of thunder and replace him with a mortal,
> making him yet another of those muscle-bound-oafs that mean well characters
> (how original!!).  Now you make this 3rd, no 5th class Thor take on Spider Man.
> 
>     Give me a break.  Maybe, this Thor doesn't have the thousands of years of
> war and battle experience that the real Thor does, but Spidey is just way out
> classed.  I'm tired of seeing Spidey overcome the most extreme impossible
> every single time!  Comics aren't supposed to be realistic, but there's a
> limit to how much fantasies can go!!!
	If you notice Spider-Man's performance is, or at least was 
variable. Is know for overcoming impossible odds, only to be taken down a 
peg by some yutz like Stilt-Man. I haven't read this issue, but I can see 
Spidey taking out the old Thor the same way he took out Firelord. It would 
be a hellish fight for Spidey, and he would have to be damn lucky, because 
one hit from Mijolner, and he's history. He not likely to win, he has a 
fraction more than a shot in hell. With the inexperiance of Eric, I could 
see Spidey winning. Heck, Peter Parker is one of the few people who could 
pick up Mijolner
> 
>     Now I implore you to take the true Thunder God out of that stupid garbage
> bag in Hell!!
> 
>     Down with Defalco and Gruenwald!!!
> 
> 
>     Bring back Simonson!!!
> 
>     
> -- 
> 
> --------------------------------------
> | The Nation Dictates:  Look Good!!! |
> --------------------------------------
> Cedrick  Chan,  a lost demented soul
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Men Traitor
Date: 6 Apr 1992 22:57:21 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <1992Apr6.213401.23863@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>He goes off on how they're gonna promote Bis. and all that. so they won't make 
>him the traitor,--Besides if he was(story-wise) why wouldn't L'beau/Witness/
>Gambit have killed him when he was younger?

	Because Witness wants to ensure his own past.  He's alive in
this timeline, and perhaps if he changes history, he'll be dead or 
something.  Also, mutants are much better off in the Bishop's timeline
than in some of the other future histories (like Rachel's).  
	It's rather like John Connor sending Kyle Reece back in time
to stop the Terminator.  John knows that Kyle will become his father,
but he can't let Kyle know he knows, otherwise, it may change history
for the worse.  

>I'd vote for Cable being the traitor--remember all X-teams are really part of the X-men.

	NOT!  X-factor and the X-men would like nothing better to 
throw Cable in jail and throw away the key.  

	Besides, in Jean's last message, she is calling out for Cable
or Alex.  If Cable were the traitor, then she'd have no reason to call
him.  I think Bish may be the traitor, for reasons unknown as yet,
but in our universe, he'll be stopped, probably by Gambit. 
	Bish might try to kill the X-men if he thought that it was
the only way to ensure their martyrdom and his own timeline.
Or he might have some sort of programming put in by Witness to 
betray the X-men.  Or someone might mind control him into doing it.

>Of course-he won't be.  see the Bishop explanation for why.
>
>Overall, I'd say there is no traitor (not yet anyway).  It's just a way that
>Harris came up w/ to get people talkin' about the books(note this string)
>
>-------SCAVENGER
>
>P.S. won't be Gambit either--He also gets a toy.
>
>-- 
>If some unemployed punk in New Jersey, can     |kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu <-I.NET
>get a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson  |
>for $19.95, this virtual reality stuff is going|No matter where you go,
>to make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller| there you are."-Buckaroo Banzai


-- 
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Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
All syllogisms have three parts, therefore this is not a syllogism.
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From: bell@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Wildcards
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:32:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.025546.25347@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:
> In article <1992Apr6.105835.2268@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Corwit of Amber) writes:
>>[how the Wild Cards books have gone downhill...]
>>
>>As far as I'm concerned, the single best story is Zelazny's in book I, too
>>bad the character was ruined in later treatments.
> 
>   Which character?  Sorry, I can never remember who wrote what with
> Wild Cards...
> 
> I agree that things have deteriorated...I was rereading the series
> about a month ago and couldn't motivate myself to read past #5...
> 
> Jonathan Lennox
> jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
   The title is I believe "The Sleeper".  The character is Croyd 'Crenson(?)' 
and whenever he falls asleep he sleeps for quite a while and awakes with
different powers, sometimes even as a joker.  I also found this character to be
my favorite, but Zelazny never continued to write about him so any time he
appeared afterwards was in another author's story, which were never as good.

			-- Shane L. Bell
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: s-men cards
From: bjuland@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:32:22 CST
Organization: University of Missouri-Kansas City

One retailer I talked to said he had a friend who bought a box of x-men cards,
and got 17 holograms and one autographed card!  Talk about lucky....


+===============================================+
|Chris Bjuland                                  |
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|bjuland@umkcvax1          bjuland@vax1.umkc.edu|
+===============================================+
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: RAC SPLIT:NO!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:25:10 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Apr8.212854.20186@Princeton.EDU> From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar)

> rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu writes:
> >Quite frankly, I think that this is chickenfeed.  I wade through
> >rec.arts.comics in a few minutes with the nn newsreader.  I don't even use
> >a killfile.

> While not everyone has upscale news technology (and they can't always get
> it, either) I agree that rac traffic isn't bad as traffic goes.  I use a
> "mark" file to save Suicide Squid and Cerebus articles, and flip through
> the rest on whimsy.

> >Then, frankly, I think that they should get better newsreaders.

> Gee, this sounds familiar.  I may have to give you a mention in the History
> of the Usenet as the champion of high-tech newsreaders :<)

Hmmm, if the reason threaded newsreader users don't like the idea
of a split is that the Reference line gives them all they need the
solution is two fold:

1. Post articles by doing followups to completely different subjects
and change the title.

2. Delete reference lines for posts related to the same subject.

Lets see how quickly they change their tune.

BTW it is easy to read the articles if you just read one or two
subjects, especially when the subjects generally have a
consistant title like "Cerebus" unlike the X-crap which
changes subject on almost every post!

[ If the X-Titles are so popular why isn't there an X-mailing list? ]
-- 
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From: uk02700@nx28.mik.uky.edu (mitchell e french)
Subject: Re: MUTANT:  Rogue's powers
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:58:50 GMT
X-Bytes: 

In article <FRANCIS.92Apr13193127@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu>  
francis@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis) writes:
> To me, this implies that (given she can steal both natural and
> acquired abilites, as well as memories) she could absorb Dr. Strange's
> abilities.  If there's is something unique to his physiognomy that
> allows him to cast spells, she would be able to duplicate it.  To the
> extent that his spell-casting abilities are based on his knowledge,
> she have that as well.  The only potential stopping block I can think
> of would be *organizing* the knowledge quickly enough to act on it.
> -- 
> R David Francis                         (Alternate addresses):  
rdf+@osu.edu
>                                                              
osu-cis!francis
> B:If you can't believe what you read in a comic book, what can you  
believe?
> R:Oh, Bullwinkle!           B:It's enough to destroy a young moose's  
faith.

	In the Fall of the Mutants storyline, when Rogue touched the  
Adversary, she gained the knowledge of the form he was  
possessing/duplicating.  Among that knowledge was Naze's magic.  She used  
the magic, but wasn't as effective as Forge -- probably because Naze  
wasn't, not because she couldn't use the magic fully.
	So, Rogue can use the mystic skills of others.

Mushroom
From: afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Rogue and Cyclops Questions
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:55:35 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

In <1992Apr13.160537.1264@bvc.edu> stougheric@bvc.edu (The Wease) writes:
>In article <92102.202814SXS133@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SXS133@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>> 
>> Actually, the loss of control was linked to Mr.Sinister's tampering with
>> Scott.  Back in the earlier days of the blessed INFERNO, Scott "regained" parts
>>  of his childhood memory and realized that Sinister had operated on him.  This
>> was presumably for the use of control by Sinister (eg. You can't go out in
>> society without my help Scott, so just obey me.)
>> 
>--	ACTUALLY, Sinister was trying to find a way for Scott to 
>control his optic blast...eventually he decided that it was beyond
>his capabilities (something I don't understand, given his cloning
>expertise) and had to resort to ruby quart glasses...

I don't know, every time I've used quart glasses, It's always detracted from 
*my* self-control.

Andrew.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 04:03:05 EDT
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: testing

This is only a test. Do not be alarmed.
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Flash year 1 --- yawwwnnn
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:16:30 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Apr8.221243.18332@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston)


> The first two issues of Flash year 1 have been pretty darned
> boring.  Does anyone have any idea what the next two issues
> will be like?

I have the original appearance of Kid Flash (I have all of the Flash
books from 120's to a year or two before the end of the original run 
as well as the new serioes) and I like the story
told from Wally's point of view.

> Also, is Mark Waid going to continue writing after the year
> 1 story wraps up?  Is there any information on what direction
> is planned for the book re: supporting cast, future plotlines,
> etc.?  The only thing I've heard is that there is an
> upcoming 2-part crossover with Hal Jordan, with Grodd and
> Hector Hammond.

Just that I heard that Jay will appearing for some guest appearances.

I expect that Connie and Chunk will get less exposure and I
am fairly sure Mark Waid will drop the phychologist sessions.

But I expect not too many changes since it is a successful book.
-- 
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From: jeremyl@screech.owlnet.rice.edu (Jeremy Lyn Hart)
Subject: Re: Underated Comics (was Re: Voice your opinions!)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:51:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.220559.25986@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang) writes:
> If you want my opinion, I think that Captain Carrot is, stirke that,
> _was_ a good comic until the Dodo's at DC cancelled the mag.
> I enjoy the refreshing change from the usual "let's beat everyone up"
> attitude of most other comics that Cap allows me.

Well, one comic that's nowhere NEAR as serious as most, but one that
I like nonetheless, is "Sam & Max, Freelance Police."  Great, sick
humor.  But now Marvel's doing it - I hope it doesn't suck... (I'm not
really prejudiced towards the M-boys, but I'm afraid it'll get ruined
somehow in transition...)

Later.
-- 
Jeremy L. Hart				jeremyl@owlnet.rice.edu
"As opaque warriors, we ride alone
 Guarding our secrets with souls of stone
 Waiting for someone who holds the key
 Do you hold it...do you hold the key to my heart..."
	- "Apache Teardrops," copyright 1991 by Bill Fillbach and Steve Estes
From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Best/Worst PAD
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:14:50 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <57081@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>Re:  Jim Cowling's post.
[...]
>		   The only plot element I introduced was the notion that 
>there was an off-camera narrator called "The Swatcher," which I added to
>try and give the story more cohesion.

The "Swatcher"?  The Man With No Time For Crime?

Oops, wrong company.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
				- Dream, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
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From: stailey@hawkeye.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Theme Park - BATMAN
Reply-To: stailey@hawkeye.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:33:14 GMT



  It won't be officially unvailed to the public until May 9th, but season
  pass holders of Six Flags GREAT AMERICA (Gurnee, Il.) have learned that
  this year's newest attraction will be...

	BATMAN - The Roller Coaster

  From what I understand, this will be the first ride of its kind. They 
  describe it as a looping, twisting, turning, fully suspended, nothing
  under your seat but air thrill ride. I'm having a hard time picturing
  this, but it sounds like a combination between the flying swings and
  a roller coaster. It is all apparently sanctioned through Warner Bros 
  and DC and area surrounding the ride is depicting the streets of Gotham
  City.

  Has anyone else heard any more info?


  --
  Michael                      
  stailey@hawkeye.comm.mot.com     


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From: awalsh@mta.ca (Andrew Walsh)
Subject: MARVEL: Psylocke=traitor???
Reply-To: awalsh@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:03:47 GMT

Never really thought about Psylocke. Her mind's been played with so 
many times lately, she might have snapped. One thing that seems like
foreshadowing:

X-Men 8: She's emerging from the lake and Scott is drooling. If 
this had been done for humor, all the males would have been shown
drooling, but only SCOTT was. And the look in her eyes said 
something. Perhaps she puts the moves on old Scotty and causes
Jean to freak out, beginning a rift in the team. Logan sides with
Jean, now we have Jean & Wolvie vs Scott & Psylocke. Hmm...

MAYBE Jean gets so flipped out, the illustrious Dark Phoenix 
returns somehow. A second Hmmm....

THIS could get interesting (if they don't forget about it:-)

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From: st891831@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (BANE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-FORCE: Warpath
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:05:13 GMT
Reply-To: st891831@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University


	The problem with Warpath has nothing to do with how he'd being drawn;
that's the _result_ of the real problem. The real problem is that Liefield
has NO IDEA what Warpath's powers really are.
	Warpath, when he was Thunderbird II, had the same powers as his brother
John, the original Thunderbird. These included enhanced strength, stamina,
and speed, putting him on a physical par with folks like Captain America.
Now Liefield's gotten it into his head that James's power is that he's just
continually getting bigger and stronger, putting him on a physical par with
folks like the Juggernaut. I, for one, do NOT buy it.
	Lately there seems to be a trend in comics to want to ignore the past,
rather than build on it. (Like Magneto necessarily being evil, or Xavier 
unable to walk.) Character *development*? What's that? Magneto was NICE?
Xavier WALKED? Never! It *couldn't* have happened!


				-Bane the Mighty