HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mcsdc2rjg@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Re: Me tooEX
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:25:44 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov17.193011.60962@cc.usu.edu>, slgsn@cc.usu.edu writes:
> I want to get some of the auto-firing rifles for me and my buddies. I'll send a
> check if you got the shit...
> Hats, not the stupid chest things.
> %!!$C
> Viscous Cheese-Beer
> %!!$C 
> %!!$C
> %!!$C
> the room shall not be opened...
> -Dave

if your talking about lasertag, you will have to build the gunz yourselves...


to do this you put a 555 timer chip and a couple of capacitors somewhere in the 

gun....

i don't know where exactly but all you need is an electronics type person to

explain and perhaps do it for yer 

RiC.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis)
Subject: Re: Laserzone  (Fairly long..)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:39:15 GMT

>> In article <1992Nov12.150411.1318@dct.ac.uk> mcsbc2msd@dct.ac.uk writes:
>>>	Hmmm... I'm afraid I missed this article, but it sounds fairly
>>>	interesting. Don't suppose someone could re-post it or send
>>>	me a copy????

ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis) writes: 
>> Well, we could *each* send you one, and you'd get, say, five copies?

In article <1992Nov16.192259.1416@dct.ac.uk> mcsbc2msd@dct.ac.uk writes:
>	Suits me...but just so long as I get at least one copy

Well, unfortunately, alt groups expire pretty fast at my site. . . :(

I don't have it, and I didn't have it at the time you posted your
request either -- sorry.

Anyone else out there have it?

-sz
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Re: U.S.
Keywords: USA
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:16:10 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <wb9omc.722279278@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>
>	At about the same time, three local high school students broke into
>their school (?) and held a couple of custodians for a while at "gun"point
>with air rifles.  There was some uproar and backlash saying "ban airguns",
>etc. (just ban stupidity....)
>
Reminds me of a story I read a while back in alt.fan.dan-quayle.  Supposely
James Watt, took advantage of a forest fire in W. Virginia or Maryland as and
excuse to cut down more trees in public land; damn those forest fire creating
trees.  The lumber companies will know how to dispose of them.

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: bosticj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jason Bostick)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Re: U.S.
Date: 16 Nov 1992 19:58:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu
Keywords: USA

Yes the US is still here...we just don't post much...I'm looking for a small groupof people near Corvallis, OR. who want to get together and Laser...any input
can be mailed to me at Bosticj@mist.cs.orst.edu

thanks

Jason Bostick
From: slgsn@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Me too
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:30:11 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

I want to get some of the auto-firing rifles for me and my buddies. I'll send a
check if you got the shit...
Hats, not the stupid chest things.
%!!$C
Viscous Cheese-Beer
%!!$C 
%!!$C
%!!$C
the room shall not be opened...
-Dave

Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: Lazertag used in the US military
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:00:05 GMT

What he was speaking of is 'MILES gear' Its used by the US military quite a 
bit.

Unlike LaserTag or Survivor Shot, it actually shoots a laser at the target. The
target wears a suit with sensors position all over. Would be a blast to play, 
but I'm sure the price tag is ridiculous.

BTW, the lasers are invisible, and the guns shoot blanks to simulate the kick 
of the gun. Ultimate war gaming, but for the price, I'll stick with Paintball.


Aaron Gillum
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Re: U.S.
Keywords: USA
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:59:40 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:

>In article <wb9omc.722279278@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>>
>>	At about the same time, three local high school students broke into
>>their school (?) and held a couple of custodians for a while at "gun"point
>>with air rifles.  There was some uproar and backlash saying "ban airguns",
>>etc. (just ban stupidity....)
>>
>Reminds me of a story I read a while back in alt.fan.dan-quayle.  Supposely
>James Watt, took advantage of a forest fire in W. Virginia or Maryland as and
>excuse to cut down more trees in public land; damn those forest fire creating
>trees.  The lumber companies will know how to dispose of them.

	I suspect you are thinking of a forest fire just a few years ago.
The smoke from this drifted all the way back to Indiana (we got up one morning
and it was thick like fog) where no doubt Dan Quayle inhaled a bit too much
of it!  :-)

Duane
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: Lazertag used in the US military
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:02:49 GMT

ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleen S. Davis) writes:

>In article <1992Nov19.172200.7405@nmsu.edu> jgoodric@dante.nmsu.edu (GOODRICH) writes:
>>	Yes, there are N. Americans who still play the TAG tyoe games.
>>I reccomend the woods as the ideal place to play. . .

>Yep.  Played for the first time in Dunn Woods on the campus of Indiana
>University last night with some friends. . .

>>	Anybody got some good "war" stories they want to share?

>Not exactly, but while we were taking a break in the Gazebo to discuss
>the game we had just finished, a thirtysomething man came by and
>started asking questions about the equipment.  He told us about his
>service in one of the branches of the American military, where he was
>a part of a unit that would practice shooting down helicopters (while
>the helicopters would shoot at them on the ground), and it was all
>done with a lazer-type system.  I'm not a techie, so I didn't
>understand all of what he said, but he mentioned that each hit was
>classified as either a kill, a hit, or a near miss, and damage would
>be calculated accordingly.  He also spoke of full body suits with
>sensors all over them.  He lamented that he never thought of marketing
>the idea as a toy after returning from service, because even the men
>in the military thought of it all as a game.

>Anyway, there's a war story for ya.


	Sounds like their MILES system, to me.....sounds like a hell of
a lot of FUN, too....

	Hey if you guys from IU want to get together with us guys from
PU sometime, we could set up the "Old Choke an' Fuckit" rivalry.....  :-)

(for those of you who don't get the signifigance of this, IU/PU has 
an athletic rivalry in which we play for "The Old Oaken Bucket".
Whoever wins keeps the bucket which has a chain of metal letters that
signify the winning school.  If IU wins, an "I" is added to the
chain.  If Purdue wins, a "P" is added to the chain.  There is also an
"IP" for ties.)

Duane

Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Lazertag used in the US military
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:57:50 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <By3537.BtB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleen S. Davis) writes:
>
>Not exactly, but while we were taking a break in the Gazebo to discuss
>the game we had just finished, a thirtysomething man came by and
>started asking questions about the equipment.  He told us about his
>service in one of the branches of the American military, where he was
>a part of a unit that would practice shooting down helicopters (while
>the helicopters would shoot at them on the ground), and it was all

You're talking about MILES (totally no idea what it stands for) system that
the army use for training.  There were a couple of postings on it last year
in alt.sport.paintball from more technically knowledge people.  Recalling
from memory, the system is smart.  A shot from a tank can eliminate more
than one player, but players shooting back with handguns would virtually
no chance of scoring a direct hit.  The system is quite expensive and tracks
individual and overall performances of all the participants so the generals
in charge can make sound decisions based on acceptable losses.

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: U.S.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:45:36 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC
Keywords: USA

In article <wb9omc.721940082@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>patrickd@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer) writes:
>
>trying to fight a recent Purdue admin decision not to let us play in the
>parking garage anymore.  We've been in there for nearly 5 years without
>trouble until this weekend......
>
>	I don't even know *yet* WHY we have been tossed.
>
>	Sheesh.
Can you tell us what happened?  I noticed that some people don't like their
cars being touched and get mad if they spot people running in close prozimity.

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: adam@gizmo.co.uk (Adam Kerrison)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Mattel compatible guns (any quantity)!
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:35:13 GMT
Reply-To: adam@gizmo.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Hi netters,

it may be of interest that there is a company in the UK that produces boards with 
single and auto "starlyte" compatible guns.  They are called "HI RANGER", and produce
a number of interesting bits and pieces as well as starlyte-clone guns.

I _don't_ have the actual address, but you can mail a person who does. If you are
interested, mail Darren Hatcher at:

hatcher_d@web-cs.bt.co.uk

and he can put you onto the manufacturers (he has no commercial interest and is a
live role player himself).  I hope for no flames on commercialism for this item, but
I know how tricky it is to get hold of mattel compatible hardware in assured quantities.

_Please_ make any inquires to Darren and _not_ myself. 

Thanks again, and happy netting ...

---
===========================================================================
Adam Kerrison                  | Phone : +44 71 352 7774
Technical Support              | Fax   : +44 71 351 7834
MicroMuse Ltd                  | Personal E-mail: adam@micromuse.co.uk 
London SW10 0RN                | Support E-mail : support@micromuse.co.uk 
===========================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag,general,aus.general
From: jont@cs.su.oz.au (Jonathon Earnshaw Tidswell)
Subject: Re: Laserzone  (Fairly long..)
Reply-To: jont@cs.su.oz.au (Jonathon Earnshaw Tidswell)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science
Followups-To: alt.sport.lasertag,aus.general
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:02:41 GMT

I changed the newsgroups I doubt it belongs in general.

In article <1992Nov10.033205.2515@funlwb.enet.dec.com> ollis@redbck.stl.dec.com (Stephen Ollis) wrote:

[ ... ]

| Suggested apparel for the up & coming laserzoner... Basic black.. Lots of it!
| Black T-shirt, and black martial arts pants are my choice.. You might want to 
| work out some method of identifying yourself (ie bandanna's) etc but it's your
| own choice.. I'd prefer people not to be able to recognize me in order to stop
| `revenge' attacks.. don't laugh.. it happened to me at another places.. and I 
| had the facial cuts to prove it!
I'd say a long sleeved black top, you cant run that hard.

Also if your venue doesnt supply a helmet, find your own.

JonT

--
Jonathon Earnshaw Tidswell       | jont@cs.su.oz.au  ( Ernie on IRC )
Basser Dept. of Comp. Science    | Phone:  +61 2 692 4802
Bldg (FO9) University of Sydney  | Fax:    +61 2 692 3838
Sydney NSW 2006 Australia        | Disclaimer: I think my thoughts are my own.
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM (Daniel Abernethy)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Opinion of various paintguns
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:24:29 GMT
Reply-To: mtnbiker@singletrack.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: singletrack.ebay.sun.com

>The Smart-Parts rifled barrel may help some in accuracy, but it has some
>severe logistical problems to it.  First, if you put your hand on the
>barrel you will defeat the function of the rifling!  So forget it if you
>like to hold the barrel in one hand while firing.  Also, if you break a
>paintball in the field it is next to impossible to get all the paint out
>of the gun.  The paint disperses into those little holes and gets lodged
>there for the duration of the game.  Periodically it drips back into the
>barrel wrecking havoc with your accuracy and causing you to break even more
>paintballs.
>
>
I have a pro-am with the SP barrel and a viewloader 2000, this is a 
great combo.  I shot 2000 rds of nelson through it two weeks ago
and broke ZERO.

I also ran 200 turdos from bullcrap through it and broke ~5.

What I do to clean the vents/rifling is to move the fore grip forward
halting ammo feed.  Squeegie the barrel, dry fire a couple times, now
here is the trick : I point the barrel down to feed liquid (liquid is
denser and pushes the paint out better) and place the muzzle against my toe
and fire a few times.  I will also cover half the venting to increase 
the pressure of where the gas is escaping, and alternate to clean the 
other half.  If I am hunkered down and can't stand I improvise.  This
works very well and allows me to get back into the fight with no loss
in performance.  Between games I will elaborate and pour water down
the barrel and repeat my field cleaning ritual, squeegie again and 
I am ready for the next game.

Danimal
ADG
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com (Glenn Clapp)
Subject: Re: LASER-TAG
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Corp.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:25:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.152317.60704@cc.usu.edu> sl1t4@cc.usu.edu (CORKY) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.142303.60501@cc.usu.edu>, slgsn@cc.usu.edu writes:
>> HEY, DUDES! I WANT TO KNOW WHERE TO GET LASER-TAG WEAPONS HERE AT UTAH STATE
>> FOR ME AND MY FRIENDS. WE WANT TO PLAY HERE ON CAMPUS ON THE WEEKENDS. I NEED
>> THE WEAPONS, AHORA! THERE NOT AT THE MALL, SO WHERE DO I GO? HELP ME!
>-- 
>
>
>NOPE!!!!!!  But if you're interested in trying paintball, mail me.  I'm at USU
>also.  Granted it's too cold now, but this summer, we'll be going again. 
>
Lazer tag?  Its time to graduate to "ball."  Too cold?  Nonsense.
(well, maybe in Logan, but in SLC, the weather is fine, and the paint
is hot).  Let's rock.


-- 
=============================================================================
= Glenn Clapp                          |  gclapp@thunder.sim.es.com         =
= Evans and Sutherland Computer Corp.  |  My opinions are my own, but then  =
= Salt Lake City, Utah  (801) 582-5847 |  that's my opinion.                =
From: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Opinion of various paintguns
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:30:48 GMT
Reply-To: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo.west.sun.com

An auto-trigger on a pump gun is fundamentally inaccurate because 
(unless you have far more precise control of strong fast movements
than I do) the pumping motion is going to swing the barrel around
a bit.

This is not to say that an auto-trigger on a pump is not useful.
There have been several occasions when I burst into a clearing
or came around a corner and found 2-4 people who were still busy
saying "what the f**k" - and at 10-20 feet a slightly inaccurate
auto-trigger was not an issue.  The ability to pop off ten shots
in ten seconds while jumping around was the key to my survival.
Most of my shots hit, and even the people I miss are too busy 
diving for cover to be a threat.
From: jimfost@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jim Foster)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Opinion of various paintguns
Date: 17 Nov 1992 23:04:28 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:

>How's the auto-trigger on the Trracer?  How much is the velocity loss 
>difference between auto-trigger mode and regular mode?

Mine works quite well, although I've only used it a couple of times. As for velocity, I've never tested to see what difference it made.


-- 
Jim Foster                [   At any time, at any place, our snipers can      ]
jimfost@matt.ksu.ksu.edu  [   bring you down. Have a nice day.                ]
Kansas State University   [                                                   ]
From: gt1158@terapin.com (Guillermo Talamantes)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Opinion of various paintguns
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:58:15 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1ej3roINNt4k@west.West.Sun.COM>, markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark
Allen Kampe) writes:
>An auto-trigger on a pump gun is fundamentally inaccurate because 
>(unless you have far more precise control of strong fast movements
>than I do) the pumping motion is going to swing the barrel around
>a bit.
>
>This is not to say that an auto-trigger on a pump is not useful.
>There have been several occasions when I burst into a clearing
>or came around a corner and found 2-4 people who were still busy
>saying "what the f**k" - and at 10-20 feet a slightly inaccurate
>auto-trigger was not an issue.  The ability to pop off ten shots
>in ten seconds while jumping around was the key to my survival.
>Most of my shots hit, and even the people I miss are too busy 
>diving for cover to be a threat.


     Ten shots in ten seconds, I think that's an understatement. I myself have
been able to pull off 7-8 rounds per second on a Phantom. Granted that the
Phantom has the BEST Auto-trigger around,  3-5 r.p.s. is about right for a
Trracer. So anywhere from 30-40 should be shot in ten seconds, but since you
siad you were jumping around, 20-30 shots should've have flown. Oh well, just
my two cents. Later...



        KEEP
              THOSE
                     BALLS
                            FLYING!!!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Opinion of various paintguns
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:52:15 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Nov16.180921.24636@serval.net.wsu.edu> gheller@yoda.wsu.edu (Geoffrey Heller) writes:
>Tippman PRO-AM
>==============
>This is a fairly nice semi but there still does exist some problems.  For
>example, I have seen the plastic feeder tube attachment (part of the gun) 
>break right off during a game.  If you are going to get one of these you 
>really ought to consider getting the metal feeder attachment for it.
>
The plastic forearms are very weak at the joi.  Out of 5 plastic forearms
my friends bought from Tippmann, 4 have already be returned to the factory
for replacement.  

>I hope this cleared things up for some people.  If you have any questions
>please feel free to send me e-mail or better yet post to alt.paintball.
>
How's the auto-trigger on the Trracer?  How much is the velocity loss 
difference between auto-trigger mode and regular mode?

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:14:26 -0500 
From: Alexander Franklin Rose <ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: IRONMAN on Smart Parts

Guys,
    I am not sponsored by smart parts and the guy that makes them is my
teams biggest competition.

    The Barrel is made by a guy who created a company so that all he
does all day long is test and retest.  He loves to make a ball fly
straight and he knows more about CO2 expansion, machining, and paintball
aerodynamics than anyone I have met in the industry.  His barrel is good
and if Bud would let us my team would shoot it exclusively.  The
cleaning thing is cosmetic and does not affect accuracy as the last post
indicated.  The reason the first half of the barrel is so chiny is that
it is not buffed aluminum it is a nickel teflon coating that has the
lowest drag coefficient of any metal surface on the market.  As far as
that affecting you camoflauge I would not worry about it, my gun is all
siver and I have bright color sticker on the bottle.  This has never
given me away and most likely never will.  Your movement is what keys in
players and the art of staying unseen is mastering movement not covering
everything in camo tape.

    Zander of the IRONMEN

Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Opinion of various paintguns
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:07:07 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1ecissINNncl@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> jimfost@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jim Foster) writes:
>henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>
>>How's the auto-trigger on the Trracer?  How much is the velocity loss 
>>difference between auto-trigger mode and regular mode?
>
>Mine works quite well, although I've only used it a couple of times. As for velocity, I've never tested to see what difference it made.

I noticed the auto-triggers, on a lot of pumpguns, are inefficient and you lose
both accuracy and power.  Just curious.

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
From: griffinr@ucs.orst.edu (Robert Griffin)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Dispelling Illusions
Date: 24 Nov 1992 00:14:58 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu

	10 rounds a sec with a Phantom?  Let's be realistic.  I agree, its the
fastest pump in the known world, but I'd put its rate of fire at about 5 rounds
per second.  I've been accused of some pretty wierd things while playing with
my Phantom.  For instance, I had a ref try to kick me off a field for playing
with a full auto gun once.  A friend of mine tells a story about the first he
played at Sat Cong with a Phantom (bear in mind I live in OR, and this guy
was probably the first Phantom to go to Sat Cong).  He was accused all day of
using a full auto/semi gun.  Pretty funny, actually.
	As to the "inherent inaccuracy" of the auto-trigger.  My answer:  You
haven't played enough with your pump.  I will admit, I'm not as accurate in
auto-trigger mode as someone who is GOOD with a semi.  Yet the results are the
same, except I don't give the guy 8 bruises, just 3 or 4 (a bit of an exagera-
tion).  The advantage of this, though, does exist.  I figure if I auto trigger
my group includes my target and about a torso to either side.  Result:  if a
guy is quick, he can duck a semi more easily.     
	Sincerely,
		A Phantom user, who when he stops to count the times he's gone
head to head with someone with a semi, figures he wins about 75% of the time.
	LONG LIVE THE PHANTOM