HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Flash 73:  SPOILERS!!!
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:14:14 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1992Dec18.000231.7096@midway.uchicago.edu>, mss2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:
> In article <Montague_Kevin-171292111409@130.252.131.164> Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.101226.18607@husc3.harvard.edu>,
> 
> 	The theory being proposed here is based on the fact that the
> late events of Barry Allen's life involved his travelling to the 30th
> century, staying there for a while, then being picked up by the
> Anti-Monitor and beginning the events which led to his death.  The
> idea being kicked around is that in fact, during that 30th century
> tenure, he travelled back to the late 20th century and that's where
> this month's surprise comes in.  He's "fated to die" because he
> eventually has to return to the 30th to die in the Crisis, according
> to this scenario.  

A better variation to this idea is that Barry is coming from the
past, not the future.  In the 30 years he had his own magazine
he did a lot of time traveling.  At some point he may have stopped
in on 1992.  This explains why Barry still has blond hair (he died
it dark toward the end of his series).  It also avoids any
Crisis conflicts since this is the post-Crisis Barry Allen from before
the events now called the Crisis by the DC heroes.

Frankly, I thought of this idea a long time ago for bringing Barry
back.  As long as he's here for just a visit it's fine.  His death
is still intact and the story can be a lot of fun.

The problem with having him come back permanently is twofold.
First, if he's written right, he will naturally eclipse Wally
to become the star of the book.  He's faster, smarter and more
experienced, and still fairly young.

If Wally is kept as the focus of the book the Barry becomes
a supporting character.  That means that Wally has somehow
got to become "better" than Barry.  I don't think that would
go over too well.

Of course, if it was written right, a book about a kid sidekick
in the shadow of a mega-hero could be interesting.  If it
was done right.

Mark
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Professional Comic Opinion Wanted -- PAD, if you're out the
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 06:53:21 EST

Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

> And if you can, hop a train in mid-January and come up to New York for the
> Fred Greenberg convention being held at the Javits Center.  More artists and
> editors there than you'll know what to do with.
> 
> PAD

...Some of us might have to take a plane.... Can you give me a date or an 
address for this thing?  Sounds like fun.

Namaste,
Elizabeth


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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Subject: Re: Retcons: Marvel and DC
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:43:13 GMT

In article <Bz3swD.K05@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn ) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.053425.9371@news.columbia.edu> jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:
>>In article <10DEC92.14036480.0064@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>>>In Marvel, writers are a *bit* more careful.  Take for example,
>>>appearances of Doctor Doom; what do you do if certain Doctor Doom
>>>appearances don't conform to the way you write the character?  Easy,
>>>just do what John Byrne did (in FF #247, I believe) and indicate that
>>>that (the Doctor Doom in UX #145-147) was an android.  Alas, Simonson
>>>"revealed" in FF #350 that John Byrne's Doctor Doom was also an android!
>>
>>  No, he didn't.  Rather, he left it deliberately vague so that you
>>could decide that any Doctor Doom appearance you didn't like or
>>thought was out of character was really an android--the rest were
>>really him.  I believe Simonson has stated this.  So if you like John
>>Byrne's Doctor Doom, then it was the real thing.
>>
>If this was Simonson's intent, he failed miserably to stick to any
>sort of Doom continuity.

[...]

This was his intent, but not what he had originally planned for FF350.  The
original idea, from what I heard, was for the retelling of the origin of
Dr. Doom.  In the new origin, Victor von Doom throws Richards out when he
caught him poking around in Doom's room.  Richards tells Doom that there
was a mistake in the machinery and tries to tell him how to fix it, but
Doom scoffs at him.  Later on, Doom does the change that Richards
mentioned, and tries out the machine.  The machine then blows up in Doom's
face, and he is expelled from school.  This is the reason for Doom hating
Richards so vehemently, and why he always believes that he is smarter than
Richards: Richards was the one who made the mistake -- Doom's original
machinery was correct, and if it wasn't for Richards putting a glimmer of
doubt in Doom's mind, it would have worked.

Unfortunately, the editor didn't like the idea of Doom being shown superior
to Richards...

Karthik Sheka              | It's not an optical illusion.  It just looks like
kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu |    one.
karthik@cs.columbia.edu    | By "recursion" I mean "defined by recursion".
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sue Richards' Age (again)
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:10:14 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec16.001037.3212@news.columbia.edu> ejs16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.235506.25791@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes:
>>(Now I know how these old threads get dredged up...idiots like me who are
>>reading old postings feel the need to comment...)
>>
>>As for everybody's contention that women don't go to pot on their 31st
>>birthday, here's a little factoid that may pop some teen dream fantasies:
>>Near the end of November (the 25th, I think,) Christina Applegate (Kelly
>>Bundy on _Married With Children_) celebrated her 30th birthday.
>>
>>How's _that_ for scary?
>>
>>Jay (=
>
>I thought that she had turned 18 a couple years back...
>---
>Eric Jaron Stieglitz aka ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
>"With great power comes great responsibility"
>We have been given the power of free speech.
>Let's make sure that we use it wisely... 

	Christina Applegate is 23 days younger than me.  That makes her 20,
not 30.  Sorry to ruin your argument.

							Time-Waster Lad
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Justice League new lineup?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:39:54 GMT


Is the JLA being revamped again?  Will it be by the same creative
team?   Which characters will be featured?

Tom
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From: Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon)
Subject: Re: DC: Batman: Bane
Organization: Motorola_Codex
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:36:40 GMT

(Spoilers follow methinks...)








In article <1kk2lgq@rpi.edu> chinm@aix.rpi.edu (Mang S. Chin -- Kid Klaxon)
writes:
>
>I haven't heard too much about this Bane stuff going on in the Batman
>titles...so what gives?  Sounds like a new way to boost sales, so I
>figure that Bane is going to appear throughout the various Batman
>titles being a pain in the butt.  We already know that he'll be going
>after Killer Croc (who I thought was dead, but I guess no one really
>ever stays dead).
>
I agree that this will be a new character to continue thru the Batman, but
judging from the dark/violent style and reference to 'venom', I would say more
likely the LoDK title. 

What did I miss? Why is he going after Killer Croc? 

I thought the story was kind of goofy and drawn out. It seemed like it was a
possible plot line for the next Jean-Claude VanDamme (sic?) action picture.
(not a compliment)

As a previous post said of Batman:Birth of the Demon, Batman is barely in this
book.

(Somewhat slaughtered plot summary)

Child has a violent twisted upbringing in a stereotypical backward Latin
American country. Child hits head. Child sees vision of future self. Future
Self tells Child be strong, smart etc. Future Self tells Child to fear the
Bat-creature (or something like that, I forget) (Foreshadowing: the mark of
quality literature) 

Child becomes Sadistic Child. Child mauls much larger Prison Inmates. Child
grows into Sadistic Man, and becomes Prison Hero.Evil Warden sends Sadistic man
for experiments which transform Sadistic Man into BANE, who somehow escapes
from the prison, returns to prison, slaughters all of those who have done them
wrong, gathers prison buddies, and heads to Gotham to face the 'Bat-creature'
Brief encounter with Batman.....

>At any rate, Vengeance of Bane wasn't all that bad.  The basic idea
>is nothing new, but I'd have to say it was done fairly well for
>something so hackneyed.  Any reactions?
>

I think I disagree with you...

In summary...save your money. Wait for the character to appear in your local
Batman book near you.
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Black artists condemn DC (was Corporate Mainstream...)
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:04:16 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <rdippold.724292792@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>>Political scientists who write about "theory of oppression" offer that, in
>>order for an "ism" to exist, two things are required: discrimination and
>>power.  That is, discrimination by the group in power against the group
>>out of power constitutes an "ism"; discrimination by the group out of power
>>against the group in power does not.
>
>I like it.  So calling all whites evil small-dicked small-assed devils
>isn't racism, nor calling orientals, say, slant-eyed micro-dicked
>fish-faced gooks (or any similar list of stereotyped crap you care to
>put together) unless the person saying it is white.

Yep.  It's bigotry, and it's reprehensible.  But it aint racism.  Racism
isn't an attitude; it's a system of oppression.  People are not racist;
they express racism.  Racism *is*.
 
>The only thing amazing here is how far the PC will bend to absolve
>"sacred" groups of any responsibility for anything happening anytime
>for any reason.

Absolve?  Not at all.  The whole point of this is that rightocryptofascists
confuse *bigotry* -- the opinions and actions of individuals -- with *racism*
-- the misbegotten system -- and trivialize the role of the status quo in
oppression.

By the way, the term I used above makes no less sense than the "PC" bugaboo
you toss around.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
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From: beykema@infonode.ingr.com (Maurice Beyke)
Subject: Gaimen-McKean comic
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:28:24 GMT

  I vaguely recall seeing something yesterday here that Gaimen and McKean
  have a new comic out.  All details are forgotten, but if some kind soul
  could fill me in on title and publisher, I would be greatful.  Please,
  respond via email, as I may not be back here for a few days.

  My email address is
       mab@batman.b11.ingr.com

  Much obliged.
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From: byron@netcom.com (Byron C. Go)
Subject: Re: Whither _Signal to Noise_?
Organization: The Delirium Fan Club
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:40:23 GMT


Okay, okay... I found it in my "hold" box at the store this morning.  Thanks
to Brad and everyone else who replied via e-mail.

Now if only I had some spare time to read it in...

     byron  (:

-- 
byron c go		byron@netcom.com	byron@wet.COM
"I knew it would be in the last place I looked, so I looked there first."
						Delirium of the Endless
From: lsmith@exa.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image Splits Up (was McFarlane has come a long way )
Keywords: Image, Edge, Homage
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:32:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Independent Squids of the Poor

In article <1g9an0INN9ep@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder) writes:
>
>McFarlane is by himself -- but the difference between these "mealy
>little one-man independents" and others that have sprung up in the past,
>is that each and every one of these guys has LOTS of money to throw into
>a business.  If they still have the same drive to create the kind of
>comics they want to create, then there's little doubt that's what
>they'll continue to do.

If I had to pick one of the Image crew to survive it would be McFarlane.
Although I still don't care for what he's doing with Spawn, he does get
it out in a timely fashion. He also was clever enough to get in four
top notch writers when the early flak was he couldn't write. He's probably
the brain behind the whole Image split.

Best of all, he can consult Dave Sim about how to survive as an independent.

As long as he doesn't waste his money on a drag racing team, he should be
OK.

----------------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Just as I was lining up on the Me 109's tail
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  I got a good look into the cockpit. You won't
     These are days of     |  believe what I saw. Bloody Jerrys have peanuts
     miracle and wonder    |  flying fighters!"    _Biggles meets Mr Peanut_
From: jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Does PAD have *SEX* on the net?
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:09:13 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:

>X-Factor #87, for example (the current issue) grew out of the sense I was

Nice plug!	I-)
I haven't read it yet, 'cause the local store was sold out.	I-(

>getting that readers were not clear on what was making these characters
>tick.  *I* knew, and I was trying to communicate it in a subtle fashion.
>Unfortunately, most readers of mutant titles seem accustomed to the 
>sledge-hammer method of characterization (long angst-ridden internal
>monologues).  Since I was disdaining that approach, readers seemed to assume
>that all the characterizations were superficial.  So I decided I wanted to
>get across what was really below the surface of the characters, but without
>using the usual aforementioned LARIM.  Hence the psychiatrist set-up.

Nice addition to the rac.dictionary (Larim, retcon, etc.)

As long as I have your attention, a minor question has come to mind.
In a NextMen lettercol, John Byrne said that he almost always wrote his
own lettercols (even though he wrote about himself in the third person).
Is this standard practice?
Do *you* write your own?
Do all writers write their own?
Enquiring mind couldn't care less, but *I'm* kinda curious.

					Jamesa Willer
[any opinions above are already registered with the federal government]
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Sue Richards' Age (again)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Sue, FF
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 23:55:06 GMT

(Now I know how these old threads get dredged up...idiots like me who are
reading old postings feel the need to comment...)

As for everybody's contention that women don't go to pot on their 31st
birthday, here's a little factoid that may pop some teen dream fantasies:
Near the end of November (the 25th, I think,) Christina Applegate (Kelly
Bundy on _Married With Children_) celebrated her 30th birthday.

How's _that_ for scary?

Jay (=
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From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Retcons and Dr. Doom (Re: Retcons: Marvel and DC)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 03:30:14 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: marvel doom simonson byrne retcons



Yeah, I figured it was something like that  :)   I didn't think I was at
all in the right; I didn't start collecting until much after Secret Wars ever
happened.  It was just a wild thought.

-- 
"Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - Never
 imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that
 what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been
 would have appeared to them to be otherwise."  -- Lewis Carrol
From: byron@wet.COM (Byron C. Go)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DH: Virus ?
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:04:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Delirium Fan Club


Saw the new Dark Horse book _Virus_ on the new comics shelf today.
Well, the title was certainly catchy enough and the cover wasn't bad
either.  Still, I had my doubts about it so I didn't buy it.  I was
wondering if anybody has seen any blurbs about this title and can
tell me what it's supposed to be about.  I flipped through it and
thought it looked like a less sci-fi _Alien_, but I could be wrong.

Oh, and Happy Chanukah/Christmas/Holidays (as the case may be).

     byron  (:
From: c60b-3fe@e260-3f.berkeley.edu (???)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: McFarlane's art
Date: 13 Dec 1992 07:05:35 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
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In article <92347.133822AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:
>
>I now want to jump to McFarlane's Letters column.  I hate it!  All
>I ever read are people saying that 'Spawn has changed my life forever.
>And it has urged me to be kind to my fellow man and pray for peace and
>do my part in the world so that others may live life to it's fullest.'

   Well there was that letter from the guy who says he is dropping Spawn
because the gore almost made him puke.  Also, there were the two people
who basically said, they would keep reading Spawn as long as it didn't
step on their, so called, "holy" toes.  Pretty silly IMO, if you can't 
handle criticism, not even that,  maybe just differing opinions, to your
own beliefs.

>... This is the part that really confuses me.  He's talking about
>Lee as in Stan Lee.  Why should Marvel pay Stan Lee whe he owns Marvel?
>If Miller's talking about Marvel ripping off Ditko and Kirby, isn't he
>saying that in fact Stan Lee is ripping them off? This isn't my opinion,
>it's my confusion. I don't understand what he's talking about.
>Somebody please explain.

   Actually, I don't think that Stan Lee owns Marvel anymore.  I thought
they just used his name in the comics as a tribute.  Don't really know for
sure though.

  I'm not sure what to think about the inclusion of this speech in Spawn.
I can't decide whether it was to get people to realize the extent of Kirby's
role in comics or just to throw another bash Marvel's way.  Seems like the
major point is these articles is mo' money.  Is Kirby on the verge of
living on skid row?  Is he still doing comics?  In 20-30 years, are new
artists going to be demanding monetary compensation to Frank Miller for
his contributions to the business?  Just wondering.

Mikel B.
-- 
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From: larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE)
Subject: test
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:43:38 GMT

-- 
John P. LaRocque
skywalker@uwo.ca
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
From: jvverth@figaro.med.harvard.edu (Jim Van Verth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CEREBUS Mailing List
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:17:12 GMT
Organization: Hyrcania University

In article <8HJVBLW2@cc.swarthmore.edu> jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:
>00gdwessel@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>> How many people here would be interested in joining a CEREBUS Mailing List???
>	Uh, isn't there one already? 

Yup, just send to cerebi-request@figaro.med.harvard.edu.

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From: danl@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Neurotic Bob)
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:57:10 GMT

Bill Sienkiewicz--just because
Chris Bachalo--nice form, finished work always nice and consistent
Dave Ross--okay, I haven't seen too much from this guy, just a little bit
	from way back when, a spot issue of Alpha Flight or two in the
	forties, but I liked it.
Dave McKean--for his Cages series alone.  Great mesh of story and art.
	it really fits.
Keith Giffen--his Video Jack through LSH style.  Don't much care for his
	Lobo or New Universe stuff.
Miller, Simonson, Byrne, Davis, etc.--of course

Inkers:
Terry Austin--just gotta love it
Whilce Portacio--just as inker
Bill Sienkiewicz--just because
Paul Neary--you bet
Al Gordon--really top notch
Al Williamson--classic beauty

		--Dan'L
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Fave Writers (was fave artists)
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:37:22 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Oh, boy! This thread is better than the artists' one! :^)

Chris Claremont -- New Mutants, et. al.
The Pinis -- Elfquest
Fabian Nicieza  -- New Warriors
Mike Grell -- Green Arrow
Frank Miller -- Elektra (well, the original one anyway)

...and so forth!

Scott
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