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From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Trispokes
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:28:07 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <9208191743.AA25772@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
> Alex Miller writes;
> 
>> Want to buy a rear air spoiler for a Porsche 911 Turbo that costs
>> more than a complete Yugo?  I've heard it makes the car look good.
> 
> Oh nooooo.  All wrong.  I talked to the dealer and he told me the
> whale tail keeps the back end down at speed and gives better traction.
> In commute traffic this is advantageous even though the effect isn't
> as strong as at the design speeds above 140 mph.  I wouldn't be seen
> without one.  Of course an Oakley foil across the windshield is
> equally effective.
> 
> jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

	I love it!  Has the states become saturated with Oakely paraphanalia
too?  In  New Zealand they're beaten only by hype for Reebok and 501's.
I saw a good sticker on a car a while back that read "Gee I wish I could have
an Oakley sticker like all you other f***wits".

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From: cmcclary@ucs.indiana.edu (Charles McClary)
Subject: WANTED: info/reviews on recumbents
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:25:39 GMT

I would like information and or first hand reviews of recumbents: short 
wheel base vs. long wheel base, under the seat steering vs. above, 
wheel sizes variations, and handling.  The two I am interested in are
the Infinity (becase they're made nearby) and the ATP-R20 (from 
Advanced Transportation Products), but will take info on any brand/model.

Thanks in advance.

Charles McClary
Program for Distributed Computing
Indiana Unversity
cmcclary@ucs.indiana.edu
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From: stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???)
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1 bikes...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:51:04 GMT

>various comments on the uses of tire, narrow and wide.

first of all, i like continental tires.  i race on grand prixs,
a 20 in front and a 23 in back, and i haven't noticed the ride
as being too harsh.  i got a snake bite once, when i tried to 
jump a curb and ran smack into it.  and i also found that they
cut just like other tires do when you ride over a big piece of
glass.  what can i say, i didn't call them god.
on my training wheels, i have michelin hi-lite roads, size 20, 
which are about the same size as the conti 23.  these just don't
"feel" as nice as the contis, and the tread is starting to 
seperate from the casing.  i have no desire to use larger tires,
although it does look like my frame would accept them.

andy
From: gerry@seq1.keele.ac.uk (G.D.Pratt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Wincanton Classic results
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:34:10 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
> Too bad that the TV coverage didn't include glorious technicolor of Rayner
> throwing up his breakfast.

I went up to Holme Moss to watch this race go by. Rayner came up about
30 secs after the leading bunch and he looked pale and old like a ghost.

I watched the second passage of Holme Moss on the steepest bit of the
descent - the speed that went by at was amazing but what was really
impressive was that some were steering with one hand and eating bananas
with the other!! How do they do it.

gerry
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From: eczjr@mips.nott.ac.uk (John Richards)
Subject: Re: Tandems - help from experienced riders please?
Organization: Dept. of Chemical Engineering, University of Nottingham, UK
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:10:40 GMT

In article <Bt6K9x.IEK@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk> ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis) writes:
>In article <kelvin.714112029@kickapoo.cs.iastate.edu> kelvin@kickapoo.cs.iastate.edu (Kelvin Don Nilsen) writes:
>>
>>My wife and I too just bought a tandem.  I am the more experienced
>> rider and am captaining.  We too are looking for hints from
>> the experts.  Perhaps some of you need to be reminded of typical
>> neophyte problems.
>>
>>Here are some of the specific questions that we have:
>>
>>  Mounting the tandem is a bit of a trick for me.  My seat posts are
>>   always high enough that stepping over them is no easy task.  On
>>   my single bike, I always mount by stepping into the left peddle and
>>   beginning to roll before swinging my leg over.  I can't do this
>>   on the tandem unless I take a spin by myself before returning for
>>   my stoker.  Suggestions?

The order of mounting captain/stoker we find is unimportant. The captain should
swing his/her leg forwards over the handlebars. This saves the stoker, if
already mounted from getting a kick in the teeth!

Then both captain and stoker support the bike with the same leg - we use the
right - and push off together - a count of 3 helps to start with but after a
while you get used to each other. Both capn and stoker then get their other
foot in clips etc once moving. If either of you is not very good at catching
the pedal then you may have to coast while this is done.

This is what we do.

John

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From: J105270@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: RE:Sunglasses Additional
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 13:36:28 GMT

I have had my E-II's for 1 month. I have a narrow head, close set eyes
(I know, homely) and I run and ride hard in hot weather with them on.
They have never slipped or fogged up. I really like them...
------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
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From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: sunglasses
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 19:31:54 GMT

In <1992Aug11.025318.26930@athena.mit.edu> jjwong@athena.mit.edu (Jeffrey J Wong

>Has anybody examined the Bolle Sport Optical System?  Basically, it is
>supposed to be a cycling style sunglasses made for prescription glasses
>wearers.  There is a specially shaped "frame" where the optician puts in
>your prescription lenses; then, you put the mirror lens on top of it, making
>it seem like normal cycling sunglasses.

I have the Bolle prescription adapter on a pair of Edge II sunglasses,
and I've been very pleased with the setup.  The prescription lenses
fit in a frame that clips to the sunglasses in place of the standard
nose piece.  This gives a good fit and stable lens mounting, at least
on my face.  Your physiognomy may differ.

The mirror lens is a minor annoyance -- I'd prefer a neutral gray lens
that didn't reflect back into the eyepiece of my camera.  I may buy an
extra, non-reflector lens if I ever get around to it.

For my eyes the Bolle's main advantage is the shape -- the sunglasses
do a much better job of keeping bugs and dust out of my eyes than do
my standard prescription sunglasses.

>I saw an ad in Bike Nashbar selling the glasses for ~$95.  However, my father
>said that one optician he spoke to says that he has TWO models in stock, and
>that one of them is $69.  So.....are there more than one Bolle Sports Optical
>System models?

The adapter will fit both the original Edge and the newer Edge II
glasses.  It's not a good fit and the company doesn't recommend it,
but the adapter can be made to fit the Micro Edge II, but the
prescription frame hangs out at the bottom of the sunglasses.

I got mine through Colorado Cyclist, which charges substantially less
than Nashbar.  I think it was $65 for the glasses plus around $9 for
the prescription adapter.  Prescription lenses were under $50 from my
optometrist.

Bolle also makes a variety of other prescription sports glasses, but I
have no experience with them.

>It
>would be extremely difficult for me to come home just to check out a pair
>of glasses.

I would not buy expensive prescription frames without trying them on
to see if (1) the frames fit your head, and (2) your prescription
lenses will fit well in the frame, i.e. not rub on your face.  I tried
on a friend's Edge IIs before buying mine, or I would have gone to a
shop for them.

Maybe a sporting goods store in your area carries Edge or Edge II
glasses.  They're very popular, even if most people buy the fashion
instead of the function.
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From: rhealy@arrl.org (Rus Healy, NJ2L)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Training for time trials, criteriums, etc
Summary: Any good books on the subject?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:04:02 est
Organization: American Radio Relay League

Does anyone here know of any good books on training for bike 
racing?

Thanks in advance.

--Rus
From: hanam@sailr3.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB racing in Olympic Games
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:30:22 GMT
Reply-To: hanam@sailr3.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



in either Mountain Bike or Mountain Bike Action, this month's
addition, i read that mountain biking will be a spectator sport
in 96. i'll look for the blurb tonite and enter it tonite.. 
they might have used the word "maybe".

my only problem is that mb racing loses alot of its impact on television.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson)
Subject: New England Mountain Bike Association
Keywords: NEMBA
Organization: Flight Transportation Associates, Cambridge, MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:21:21 GMT

Does anyone have any comments (positive or negative) regarding
the New England Mountain Bike Association?  They seem to work
towards a good cause *and* you get 10% off parts and accessories
at many bike shops in the area.  ...Joakim (prospective "NEMBA memba")
--
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From: greg@mira.sce.carleton.ca (Greg Franks)
Subject: Re: Canada and Sports Eats
Organization: Systems and Computer Engineering, Carleton University.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:13:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.074344.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> mnewton@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
   In article <9208132152.AA23390@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
   > Now that all the speculation is over, what was the reason for banning
   > imports of Power Bar and other US sports foods from Canada?  If Cytomax
   > and Power Bar do not conform to the regulation, what is it that does
   > not sit right with the Canadian Food & Drug people?  Let's hear it
   > from some Canadians.  ...and let's get specific.  Like the name of the
   > ingredient if that is the problem.
	   From what I recall from an interview on CBC's As It Happens the 
   problem is that for this sort of product there is not a specific
   category that that it can fit into. Its not a candy bar. The
   manufacturers registered it as meal replacement even though they know it is 
   not.
   Now the dept of health think that people might try to live off Power Bars!
   Evidently the bars contain a lot of vitamin A and this can be toxic in 
   large quantities.

Maybe Brian and Corp. (our esteemed Prime Minister) wants to figure
out if they can extort the Grab and Steal Tax out of we consumers.
For the unenlightened, "snack foods" such as Mars Bars are taxable by
the Feds, while basic foods, such as caviar (not a joke) are not.
Only in Canada you say? Pity.

:-(



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Overwhelm them with small bugs so they don't see the big ones.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder)
Subject: Re: Gas subsidies and taxes (was Re: Bicycle Paths
Reply-To: schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:56:19 GMT

In <jTd-H5_@engin.umich.edu> blagdon@engin.umich.edu (Kenneth James Clark ) writes:


>Agreed.  An increase of transportation fuels costs phased in over five
>to ten years would allow ample time for motorists to reduce their fuel
>use, by buying a more fuel-efficient vehicle, reducing their commute
>distance, or taking another form of transportation.

How high are you willing to raise taxes?  It would probably take quite
a bit to get people to actually reduce their car usage.  For example,
I'm currently in a high milage driving mode where I'm going to be
putting on about 400 miles a week most weeks for the next few months,
purely for personal reasons.  I'd continue doing this even if gas went
up to 5 dollars a gallon.  (I need 9 gallons to do the trip, and I'm
saving about 10 dollars on long distance calls I'm not making.)  I
think you'll find that gas taxes would have to go up by an enormous
amount before people would consider switching to alternatives.  (I
don't use a car for commuting.)

>My bike is currently a royal pain in the ass, but a far cleaner and
>cheaper solution than a car would be.  People don't consider cycling
>now because individual motoring is cheap and more comfortable.  If

Yes, exactly.  Americans are physically lazy, and taxes in this
country are set by elected governments, with legislators that want to
make politics a life long career.  You won't find many politicians
with the guts to raise gasoline taxes.  Even if they did, the
"comfort" of driving a motor vehicle will continue to be attractive to
people who on the whole can't walk 250 feet without complaining.

>cheap is taken out of that equation, people will consider alternatives
>(Americans are usually relatively competent decision makers when a
>wallet is involved).

And about as good at keeping politicians out of their wallets in the
first place, especially if it's a gas tax.  To most Americans, driving
and cheap fuel are rights.  Let's be realistic about what actually can
be done in this auto addicted society.

>Ken
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NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Maximum heart rate (was Re: Heart Rate Survey: Results)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.213010.25868@bnrmtl.bnr.ca> bnrmtl!morris@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.ca writes:
>Just out of curiosity, how do people measure their maximum heart rate.
>Do they go over it and drop dead from heart attacks?
  No. They are maximum observed rates.  They are not absolute maximum rates.
The maximum would be higher and yes going to it could be fatal.  At that point
the heart may go into chaotic rhythms or fibrilation.  In fact a lot of 
research is going on in this area because it may be possible to detect such
a heart attack before it happens (it is possible with some people).
  I was in another study where they analized the chaotic components of the
pulse at various work rates.  A heart is quite chaotic at low work rates
(although with me it seemed to be tied into my breath rate) and will become
much less chaotic as you approach your maximum workrate.
  - Eric 

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Descending hills
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 19:07:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.002907.1048@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.102108.8273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>I heard a story about a guy in a road race being handed a water bottle full of
>>lead (Pb) at the start of a long descent. Around 8kg (17.6 lbs) extra!
>>
>>One way to get your speed up, I suppose!
>>
>Yes, but if he took a sip he would die of metal poisoning (;-) .

this works if it's a fairly straight descent.  if there are lots of
turns, the added weight will reduce his maneuverability.
well, if a group tries to catch him he can peg it behind him.
a 17.6 lb missile should be fairly effective.
-teddy
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: parksd@source.asset.com (Don Parks)
Subject: Re: Why shave?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:21:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Asset Source for Software Engineering Technology

I don't shave my legs, however, I thought of a good reason to do so
the other day after a particularly messy (muddy) bike ride.  I bet it
is a lot easier to wash all the dirt, etc. of your legs without
having to scrub it out of all the hair.


Don (the non-leg-shaving) Juan
-- 

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From: Peter Manson <pmanson@bnr.ca>
Subject: Bike stores in Seattle?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:57:06 GMT

I'll be in Seattle, Wa. next week (my first visit) and I'll have a
few hours to look around.  Would someone send me a list of the best
two or three bike stores in the area?  (By "best" I mean good
selection and reasonable prices.)  

Please reply by e-mail.

Thanks very much.

Peter Manson
pmanson@bnr.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1 bikes...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:44:42 GMT


>>	Tires and clearance.  The Rb-1 will take a 28mm tire.
>>One person told me his 1991 Allez had chainstay rub with 28mm tires.
>>The SBI guy said it will definitely be okay with Specialzied
>>Transition 26mm tires, but may not work with 28mm tires, depending on
>>how wide they really were.  Strangely enough, this alone could
>>prevent me from buying thsi bike.
>I am honestly confused about something, and I hope ya'll can explain it to me.
>Why does everyone seem to want fat tires on a road bike?  Did you say that
>you were going to be touring on this bike?  If so, I guess I can understand.
>The reason I am confused is because I use a set of Mavics, with Conti 18mm
>tires for all my road riding.  No problems with flats.  In fact, the previous
>owner of these wheels toured Ireland and Colorado on them.  
>Is it just that skinny tires were once the fashion, and now fat tires are in?
>My wife's Trek 1400, which is a couple of years old, came with 20mm tires.  Now
>it seems like new road bikes come with 23mm more often than 20.
>Some folks might say I am just lucky to not have problems with tires this
>skinny, but I would say luck doesn't run that long. 
>So, to restate:  Why do you want fat tires on your new road bike?
Maybe you're just light.  I went back to fat tires because it provides 
considerably more comfort and cushions the rim much better than carbon fiber
or titanium frames and costs considerable less than either.  Then again
I'm 6'3" and 230 lbs.  Maybe they're a little slower but it's worth it.
I'm more interested in comfort than the minute increase in speed that
skinny tires would allow.
-Terry
.


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sean@cs.tamu.edu (Sean Graves)
Subject: Re: follow up on Specialzied Allez Epic and RB-1 bikes...
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:30:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.220959.14923@husc3.harvard.edu> kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes:
[discussion pro and cons of various road bikes]
>	Tires and clearance.  The Rb-1 will take a 28mm tire.
>One person told me his 1991 Allez had chainstay rub with 28mm tires.
>The SBI guy said it will definitely be okay with Specialzied
>Transition 26mm tires, but may not work with 28mm tires, depending on
>how wide they really were.  Strangely enough, this alone could
>prevent me from buying thsi bike.


I am honestly confused about something, and I hope ya'll can explain it to me.
Why does everyone seem to want fat tires on a road bike?  Did you say that
you were going to be touring on this bike?  If so, I guess I can understand.
The reason I am confused is because I use a set of Mavics, with Conti 18mm
tires for all my road riding.  No problems with flats.  In fact, the previous
owner of these wheels toured Ireland and Colorado on them.  

Is it just that skinny tires were once the fashion, and now fat tires are in?
My wife's Trek 1400, which is a couple of years old, came with 20mm tires.  Now
it seems like new road bikes come with 23mm more often than 20.

Some folks might say I am just lucky to not have problems with tires this
skinny, but I would say luck doesn't run that long. 

So, to restate:  Why do you want fat tires on your new road bike?

--
Sean
sean@cs.tamu.edu
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Chain Cleaners
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:41:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.16190388
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.bicycles, RONEAL@lexmark.com writes:

> to purchase one of the currently available chain cleaners, which one is the
> better of the two - Park's chain cleaner or the Vetta Chain Cleaner?  Or,
> are both chain cleaners equal and the solvent used is the determing factor?

There are more than two - Finish Line makes one as well.  It certainly *looks*
better than the the Park.  It comes with a citrus-based degreaser.

--------------
Marc Sabatella
marc@fc.hp.com
From: deb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DERRICK ERNEST BOUCHER)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: VETTA 200 Wireless
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:30:10 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


"tyler" writes:

>I have found a Vetta 200 wireless computer reasonable, and am wondering
>how well they work.  I'd like to mount the computer on the tip end of
>my aero bars, like my Vetta C10 is.  Will the transmitter on the front
>wheel send to the computer ok like this?  Does rain affect communications?
>Does this computer interfere with the heart-rate monitors, like the Polar
>units?  Any positive/negative experiences with this unit?  Thanks, tyler
>N4TY@lexmark.com

In my experience, the Vetta 200 wireless is very unreliable.  Mine never
works below 40 Fahrenheit, and sometimes cuts out at warmer temperatures.
I've replaced the batteries (receiver and transmitter) and tinkered with
the alignment, all to no avail.
I'd buy a new one (not wireless), but I'm such a cheapskate that I'd prefer
to save a buck and live with the inconvenience. If you're set on buying a
wireless, the Vetta 300 claims "improved reliability" as one of its
features; but its more expensive.

                                                Derrick Boucher
                                                deb1@ns.cc.lehigh.edu
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