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From: bohdan.kiszczuk@rose.com (bohdan kiszczuk)
Subject: LIghtweight steel sha
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:25:23 GMT
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Date Entered: 07-23-92 00:18

F(> From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
F(> Subject: LIghtweight steel shafts

F(> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:04:18 GMT
 
F(> Anyone familiar with reshafting clubs with lightweight steel shafts ? What
F(> are your recommendations ? My current choices are the True Temper TT-lites,
F(> Dynamic Gold Plus and the Flex Flow. Are these shafts noticeably lighter
F(> than the regular True Temper Dynamic shafts ? My clubs have a D-1/D-2 swing
F(> weight but the overall weight is noticeably heavier than my other set. I'm
F(> using a forged blade and I understand that they are generally heavier than
F(> cast heads. I would like to bring down the overall weight but maintain the
F(> D-1/D-2 swingweight.
F(> 
F(> I have not seen a set of clubs using Flex Flow, but it does have an interesting
F(> concept. The long irons are supposed to have a low kickpoint to get the ball
F(> up easier (2-4 irons). The mid-irons have a mid kickpoint and the short-irons/
F(> wedges have a high kickpoint. Anyone used these before ?
F(> 
F(> As for the TT-lites, are they any good ? I was wondering if they are the same
F(> shafts used in the Callaway S2H2 re-labelled as Memphis Lite. Also if they are
F(> the same as the E-Z lite in the Ping Eye 2 set.
F(> 
F(> The Dynamic Gold Plus would be nice, but kind of pricey.
F(> 
F(> Any other suggestions (i.e. - Apollo, Brunswick, etc.). I looking for good
F(> value/performance ratio.
F(> 
F(> Thanks.

        Callaway uses TT extralites in their regular woods. They are 
significantly lighter than Dynamic Golds ( > 20 grams). Your clubs 
would certainly be lighter. The problem is the swingweight would also 
be lower unless you add weight to the heads with tape, lead down the 
shaft etc. You didn't mention which forged clubs your talking about ?
        If 2 clubs have the the same shafts, same length and same 
swingweight then the heads must weight the same whether they're cast 
or forged. I have Hogans Apex's which are also forged. Their shafts 
are actually 1/2 inch longer than standard so I assume the heads are 
actually lighter than average (swingweight D1.5-2.0). 
        The difference in prices for steel shafts is insignificant so 
go for the best.  
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From: billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: WANTED: PING golf clubs
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:11:45 GMT

mkellner@Apple.COM (Michael Kellner) writes:
: I'm looking for a "Ping" putter. It is a gift for my beloved mother who is
: an avid golf fan. She says that this putter is made in Scottsdale and that
: it goes "ping" (I guess when you hit the ball).
: 
: She'd also like a set of clubs made in Scottsdale.
: 
: If you've got any leads, please let me know.
: 
: 
: Thanks,
: 
: Mike Kellner

Ping putters (and irons and woods) are made in Phoenix.  You can buy
them at just about any pro shop or golf discount store.  Putters were the
first product they made, and the original ones really did "ping" when
you hit them sweet.  The "ping" on the later models is not quite as
pronounced.  They have 8 or 10 models of putters now.

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From: mahoney@cs.utexas.edu (J. Jeff Mahoney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: heard of Robert Poen.....anybody?
Date: 21 Jul 1992 13:04:09 -0500
Organization: Just Do It Society
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Keywords: Golf Seminar


     My local paper today has a coupon (and advertisement) for
a Robert Poen 90 minute golf seminar.  It states:
     "If you're a beginner or have been playing 35 years---if
      you shoot in the 70's or 100's---this revolutionary 90 minute
      clinic will lower your score...................In this clinic
      you'll learn the PERFECT golf swing the quick and easy way."

   Further, it is being held at a hotel, and clubs are not required.
Has anybody heard of this guy, this clinic......is it worth the $25
(for 2) admission?  Is this a scam?

All comments and opinions are welcomed.  PLease e-mail to me, and
I will post consensus if there is any interest.  If I end up going,
or talk to someone who went, I'll post evaluation.

    I just noticed that the ad contains a money back guarantee if
not completely satisfied.  Maybe I will check it out.......

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From: jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Stealing money of greens (was: YARQ)
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:17:18 GMT
Organization: Department of Genetics, University of Utah

--The other day in our company league, there was a rank beginner in our 
--foursome...  << deleted story of picking up a ball marker>>  ...

It doesn't take a rank beginner to make this mistake.
Last weekend I was playing with my dad, who is a longtime
golf fanatic.  He pickup the tarnished penny I was using
as a marker.  When I ribbed him about it, he ribbed me back,
asking me what I was doing using an old penny instead of
a nice shiny dime. He thought someone must have dropped it;
no self-respecting golfer would use an old, dark penny to
mark their ball.


jeff

feitctaj
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:11:04 EDT
From: <RJH13@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Survey of Good Golf Instruction Books

"Golf My Way" by Jack Nicklaus.  Jack gets long winded at poits (He takes
four chapters to get through "The Full-Shot Swing").

But when things go bad -- that's where I go.

Ray Hoobler
State College, PA
From: straw@cam.nist.gov (Mike_Strawbridge_x3852)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: clone clubs?
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:37:44 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology, Gaithersburg, MD

I have followed the disussions recently on assembling your own clubs and
I'm thinking of giving it a try myself.

Also I recall a recent posting asking which clubs most closely resemble
Pings. One response was that a club called the "Legend Plus" is intended
to be a Ping clone.

I would like to hear about other clubs (either components or assembled sets)
that are less expensive clones of some of the popular (and expensive) brands.

Thanks.

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From: rayn@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ray Normantas)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:24:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Double-sling shoulder strap
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf

 Are there any bags that come with double sling straps? I'm especially
 interested in mail order. I've talked too some of the discount golf
 shops and they won't go for under $100 on the decent carry bags because
 they are selling well. 

 Ray
From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Donna Andrews Penalty (Was: Pulling Flagstick)
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:40:08 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Jul25.145924.2831@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS) writes:
>
>And how about this girl in the US Women's Open who got cheated
>out of a stroke by a stupid, unfair rule.  I don't know her
>name, but she mistakenly tapped the ball while setting up
>her putt -- she, of course, took the one stroke penalty.
>But after finishing the round, the officials slapped her
>with a second penalty stroke for not replacing the ball
>to where it was before she accidentally hit it.
>
>That's totally unfair.  What possible advantage could there
>be to leaving the ball where she accidentally hit it?  She
>already got penalized one stroke.

Well, the problem was is that she didn't mean to hit the ball.  By definition,
a stroke involves the intent to hit the ball.  That's why a person who starts
to take their backswing and even starts forward to hit the ball can jerk
the club around so that they miss the ball if they decide at the last moment
they don't really want to hit the ball, WITHOUT IT COUNTING AS A STROKE.  
However, a "whiff", where you do mean to hit the ball, counts as a stroke.
Thus, what she did in accordance with the rules, is cause the ball to move 
after addressing it, a one stroke penalty, and it also requires replacing the 
ball, which she failed to do, another one stroke penalty.


-- 
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 Addresses: CSNET: rws@duke  UUCP: decvax!duke!rws  INTERNET: rws@cs.duke.edu

The next Duke Invitational,  April 3 - 5, 1993 in New Orleans.
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From: PA97778@utkvm1.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Good Books
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:25:26 GMT

In article <27JUL199214153333@trentu.ca>
gmacdougall@trentu.ca (George MacDougall - (705)748-1602) writes:

>	My two favourites are Jack's "Golf My Way" and Dave Pelz's (sp?) "Putt
>	I am still looking for a good book on the short game and on course
>management. Neither of the books I mentioned cover these topics very well.

A good book on the short game is "From 60 Yards On In" by Raymond Floyd -
a consumate master at chipping and wedge shots around the green.

Allen Finchum
The University of Tennessee, Knoxville
From: jcampbel@metz.une.edu.au (MR J CAMPBELL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: PGA Tour Courses ?
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:00:33 GMT
Reply-To: jcampbel@metz.une.edu.au
Originator: jcampbel@metz.une.edu.au

From article <BrLK5u.309@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, by ewolfe@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (eric andrew wolfe):
> In article <4eNkG3600WBM0304Zy@andrew.cmu.edu> Todd Harris Fletcher
> <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> [On PGA Tour Golf]
>>I also shot a 62 and have a 308 yard drive.  That must be as far as the
>>game will let the ball go.  
> 
> Well, I've managed to drive the ball 313 yards (with, no doubt, a
> strong tailwind).  My best round is a 61, but I don't remember on
> which course.



I have also managed a 313 yard drive, but it wasn't the tailwind that got 
me all the way rather the fact that the shot was on the short (300 yard)
par 4 on the back nine at Avanel (somewhere around 14, 15 or 16 I think).
Also have a best round of 58 (Sawgrass), which I only achieved a couple of
weeks ago (previous best 61 so a big improvment). Low 4 round score of 258
(30 under at Sawgrass which obviously included the 58), BTW the other poster
who mentioned that the field seems to keep up with you is absolutely correct
in this 30 under round second place shoot 27 under which would be normally
unheard of on the game.

						John Campbell
From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: WOMEN'S U.S. OPEN
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:09:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: access.1992Jul28.170926.10169
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

jean-k@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Jean Kalich) writes:

>CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE SATUS OF THE WOMEN'S U.S. OPEN PLAYOFF?

Yes... The other lady (darn, now I forget her name) beat Julie Inkster (her 
name I remember cause she's a Canadian - like me!) by two strokes in the 
18 hole playoff yesterday.

David

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: sercely@convex.com (Ron Sercely)
Subject: Re: one more rules question
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:36:50 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Jul28.193432.23220@cs.UAlberta.CA> lake@cs.UAlberta.CA (Robert Lake) writes:
>While we are on this thread, I thought I would describe the scenario which
>happened to the foursome I was playing with during a tournament last year.
>I have (briefly) looked at the Rules of Golf, but I am not sure how to resolve
>this.
>
>We were putting on the green just as a small storm cloud began to pass over-
>head.  The green itself had a small downward slope in the direction of the
>wind.  Player A putts his ball (he is only about 3 feet from the hole) and
>the ball misses the hole. It comes to rest about 2 inches from the cup and
>the wind then blows it off the green (it was a *very* strong wind).  Should
>he play the next putt from off the green (30+ feet away from the hole) or
>from 2 inches from the hole?
>
>Player B has marked his ball.  He then places the ball on the green and gets
>ready to putt.  Before stroking the ball, the wind, as with player A, blows
>his ball off the green.
>
>In each case, the ball was literally blown off the green by the wind (the
>downward slope of the green had very little to do with the distance the ball
>rolled).
>
>What is the correct procedure for each player?
>
>					Rob Lake (lake@cs.ualberta.ca)
>					University of Alberta

The rules are rather long, so I will summarize
for Player A.
rule 18 applies to a ball at rest moved by an outside agency.  It states that
you replace without penalty.  HOWEVER, it also states that wind is NOT an
outside agency.  Since there is no rule that states you may replace the ball if
moved by the wind, he is 30+ feet from the hole!

Player B is more complex because of the statement "gets ready to put".
If he had "addressed the ball", (which means he has "taken his stance" and
grounded his club), HE IS DEEMED TO HAVE MOVED THE BALL.  Penalty 1 stroke, and
REPLACE THE BALL.  (this is exactly the rule that started this thread).  If he
had NOT addressed the ball, same as for player A, play from off the green, no
penalty.  Probably one of the few times the player WANTS the penalty!

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From: yoonho@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Yoonho Park)
Subject: Re: Computing net-score from handicap
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:12:21 GMT

Ethan Alpert writes:
>I pulled in the k-shell script for calculating handicap. I'm sorry but
>I chopped of the header and now don't know who actually posted it, so
>I'm posting this question.

I posted it.

>How is the net score determined once you've computed your handicap?
>The shell script in question writes a differential at the end of each
>line in the scores file, each line is a round of golf. Is this
>differential used to compute the net score? If it is how come when I
>subtract it from my score the net is always the same?

I'm not quite sure what your question is.  My scripts don't store net
scores, only differentials.  Of course net scores are calculated in the
process of calculating the differentials, but I throw away the net
score once I have the differential.  When you calculate your handicap,
you take your x best differentials (x depends on the number of rounds
you've played).

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From: merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin)
Subject: YARQ (Yet Another Rules Question)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:28:32 GMT


Yet Another Rules Question:

The other day in our company league, there was a rank beginner in our 
foursome. On the first hole I reached the green before he did, and marked
my ball before he escaped a large greenside bunker. As fate would have it,
his ball ended up very close to mine about a foot farther out from the 
pin. 

While he was lining up his putt, and before any of us could stop him, he said
"Look somebody left a dime", took my mark and pocketed it.

After that, my playing partner teased me about charging me a penalty stroke
since my mark was interfered with. The playing partner of the guy who took
my mark also teased him about penalty strokes.

We just chalked it up to one of those things that happens, and didn't charge
any penalty to anyone.

What is the correct ruling?

Teresa
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From: whitley@mksol.dseg.ti.com (harlon whitley 952-2342)
Subject: Re: Ruling Question
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:47:30 GMT

If you have a maximum of 14 clubs rule 4-4b applies, I believe.

4-4 Maximum of Fourteen Clubs

    b. Partners may share clubs
    Partners may share clubs, provided that the total number of
clubs carried by the partners so sharing does not exceed fourteen.

    Penalty for Breach of Rule 4-4b, Regardless of number of excess
clubs carried:

    Match Play - at the conclusion of the hole at which the breach
is discovered, the state of the match shall be adjusted be deducting
one hole for each hole at which a breach occured.  Maximum deduction
per round: two holes.

    c. Excess club declared out of play
    Any club carried or used in breach of the Rule shall be declared
out of play by the player immediately upon discovery that a breach
has occurred and thereafter shall not be used by the player during the
round.

    Penalty for Breach of Rule 4-4c: Disqualification


Sounds pretty sticky.  Great shot!

-Harlan

Stick it.  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: ramseydc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Donald Ramsey)
Subject: Re: average club hitting distances
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 17:27:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.124306.16174@brtph560.bnr.ca>, gturk@bnr.ca (Glenn Turk P925) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul20.231406.14403@leland.Stanford.EDU>, ramseydc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Donald Ramsey) writes:
|> |> Well, I don't know about others, but the following are my full swing
|> |> yardages for balls hit out of a good, flat lie in the fairway:
|> |> 
|> |> 	     Comfortably	Maximum
|> |> ----------------------------------------------
|> |> 8		150		160
|> |> 9		140+		150
|> 
|> looks like a rather large (and important) hole in your bag! :)
|> 
|> |> pw		110		125
|> |> sw		 80		 95
|> |> 		

Yeah, it is.  I think the some of the difference between the pw and 9i is
partly my mental image of my swing with the wedge versus the 9i (and
other short irons).  I can't seem to make as full a swing with the
pw (or sw, for that matter) as I would like.  More often than not when
I try to make the same (or what I *think* is the same) kind of swing
with a wedge that I do with a 6-9 iron, I catch the ball thin, and it 
comes out more or less the same distance but low and with no spin.  Not
usually productive, so I usually modulate the 9-iron down to 120 yards
or so.  It isn't really that difficult, since I do it the same way I modulate
the pw and sw.  Ideally, I would like to have one swing for most shots; alas,
such is golf.

In response to eric andrew wolfe's question about distance being on the fly
or with roll, the distances for all my irons were for on the fly, as those
are the distances I use to gauge myself to fly the ball to the pin from out of
the fairway.  Driver and 3w included some roll and were much looser
estimates of distances anyway, but since I hit the ball fairly high and on 
courses with soft fairways, I don't get much roll.  When I played on a
course in Alabama a couple of summers ago with hard, red, very-hot-on-the-feet,
clay supporting a meager stand of grass a couple of summers ago, well, that
was a different story :-).  Didja ever play on asphalt?


--Don

Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: u4944@cray.com (Charles Hubbert)
Subject: swingweighting
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:37:47 CDT

	Okay, I am ready to upgrade my clubs.  I am very interested in
keeping costs down especially since I don't think that I have a consistent
swing yet.  My office mate and I have ordered and received many if not all 
of the recommended catalogs...thank you net.  In the Golfsmith catalog
is a simple step by step explanation of how to do it.  A couple of
questions come up:

	Is it really as easy as it looks?  Trim, cut, clean, dimple,
epoxy, and put grips on?   (I have done grips before.)

	Do clubs need to be weighted by any of the different methods?
In other words, if I put them together as mentioned before are they
okay?  Is weighting done to correct swingweight or to modify swingweight
to a particular desired setting?

	I am considering TT Lite shafts in R/S with Pro Swing PLX heads.
I am just looking at irons presently.  Any input accepted.  Thanks..
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: sheldon@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Roger Sheldon - AISS)
Subject: What's a flyer lie?
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 15:22:10 GMT

On TV, they're always talking about how a ball will fly out of the rough.
Anyone know the reason?  It seams that rough should always decrease the
flight of the ball.

Roger
From: n4hy@idacrd.UUCP (Bob McGwier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: cook blows (Cook's history)
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:34:27 GMT
Organization: idacrd, princeton, nj

From article <1992Jul21.184556.19469@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, by scramer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve K Cramer):
> 
> Why did Cook only play in two British opens in the last 12 years?
>

There was a very interesting history of the Cook's last several years
as a pro and his medical problems with a broken bone that he continued
to reinjure because of poor medical advice or the inability of the doctors
he used to find the problem for whatever reason.  After he found the right
doctor or the doctor had the right circumstances, he as fixed up and
within a half a year won those two tournaments this year and has been close
several times.  S___ happens in tournaments, I think it is much more significant
that he came back from a four stroke deficit against the current best player
in the world to give him a real scare and that Faldo put to bed FOLDO once and
for all.  What a great tournament and what a great venue!

Bob
From: billd@gdstech.grumman.com (Bill D'Camp)
Subject: Bio-degradable Golf Tees
Organization: Grumman Data Systems-Woodbury
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:46:28 GMT

I am trying to find a company named Bio/T or Bio/Tee who have developed a
completely bio-degradable golf tee.  There was a documentary made about
them which was seen by a friend.  I have no idea where they are located,
but would like information on how to contact them.

Thanks for any help.

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