HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Scott.Maxwell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Scott Maxwell)
Subject: Re: saving my disk from Niglistic idiocy
Summary: If it's worth doing, it's worth doing well.
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:33:39 GMT


(I'm fairly certain there's enough interest to warrant posting this rather
than sending it via e-mail. If not, sue me.)

In article <1992Sep28.190534.26022@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:
>Well, enough is enough.
>I'm using rn.  Can someone send me the current canonical KILL
>file entry for saving one's self from Ed's ridiculous garbage, as
>well as all replies to it?

I take no chances. From memory, mine is:

/nilges/h:j
/nilges/a:j

The first line works faster than the second, and tends to give the second
one a little less work to do -- speeds things up a bit, I believe.

>Thanks!

My pleasure, believe me. (Incidentally, if you were using my kill file, you
wouldn't be reading this post ... :-) )

>Rich Carreiro

--
Scott Maxwell (maxwell@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu or Scott.Maxwell@bbs.oit.unc.edu)
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
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From: glen@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Glen Sonnenberg)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: History of forfeiture laws
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:09:56 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <1992Sep28.215256.3366@island.COM> guido@island.COM (Guido Marx) writes:
>
>fees than your truck is worth.  How long do you think it will be
>before the authorities start to confiscate the autos of people
>suspected of drunk driving ? 
>

In Arizona it is already happening.  Although it does take a conviction
(possibly more than one), I talked to an officer in driving class and
he said that they can now use the forfeiture laws to take the car of drunk
drivers.  As a side note, he was bragging about driving around a Cady that
they had confiscated from a drug dealer.  He really likes forfeiture laws,
but then again what would you expect...
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Men & elves
Keywords: Act xxi of 1850 [the 'Lex Loci Act']
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:59:29 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <12581@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>describing particular incidents of the Holocaust.

	These are evil acts, but don't help me understand your definition
of evil.

	What I'm driving at here is that if you're going to pass laws
against things because they're "evil" you should be able to give a better
definition than "I know it when I see it".  

>Now wharfie is a good liberal, and doesn't believe that evil exists

	Now, now, Clayton, I *do* belive in evil, I do I do I do.. :-)
It's just that many of the things that people tell me are evil and should
be illegal and punished aren't things that I can see evil in.  For instance,
selling someone the leaves of a plant containing addictive drugs and toxic
substances that will destroy her internal organs while pretending that these
leaves are not only harmless but _good_ for her is NOT evil, but selling 
someone the leaves of a plant with a long history of medicinal use but which
contain mildly psychoactive substances that do no lasting harm to the body
is a great evil to which we should all Just Say No...  And then confiscate
their houses and cars.

	My definition of evil is an act that causes unwanted harm and/or pain 
to another for the sake of profit, pleasure, or amusement.  By my 
definition Ted Bundy was an evil man, but two guys giving each other oral sex
aren't.

	By the way, calling me "liberal" is like calling Mr. Rosenblatt
"conservative": a bit of an understatement.

				     "Just like Mary Shelley, 
  				      just like Frankenstein,
				      break your chains and count your change
				      and try to walk the line..."
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From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:06:15 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) wrote:
> ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) writes:
>> So, the issue is still that if I write an article in which a character
>> suggests things anti-Semitic it would be attacked.
> Jews might not like such an article, but would not suggest that it be
> banned, let alone offer money to kill the writer.

Ghassan Kanafani (short story writer and Palestinian political activist),
who as far as I know never expressed an anti-semitic feeling in his life,
*was* killed by Jews for his political opinions (murdered by an Israeli
terrorist squad in the early 70s).  So lay off the moral superiority  bit.

More constructively, his story collection "Men in the Sun" is published by
Heinemann (Three Continents Press in the USA, I think) in its "Arab Writers
Series"; terse and acute pieces.

-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
BANG!net: via mcsun and uknet     BITNET: via UKACRL    UUCP: jack@glasgow.uucp
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From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.couples
Subject: Re: What a Problem!!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 11:24:56 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Oct5.050245.6494@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>Leave It Alone
>
>Don't care what you say
>Don't care what you do
>Don't care what you love 
>Don't care where you go
>Don't care where you live
>Don't care will you stay away
>Don't care how you feel
>Don't care how you know
>Don't care how you cry
>Don't care how you are
>Don't care how you were
>Don't care how you want to be
>
>I don't care for you
>I'm not here for you
>
>Don't care what you say
>Don't care what you do
>Don't care what you love 
>Don't care where you go
>Don't care where you live
>Don't care will you stay away
>Don't care how you feel
>Don't care how you know
>Don't care how you cry
>Don't care how you are
>Don't care how you were
>Don't care how you want to be
>
>I don't care for you
>I'm not here for you
>
>You tell me over and over again 
>All the little things that I can't understand
>
>Over and over and over and over and over
>and over again
>	- Mary's Danish

	Hey, that's almost as good as "Tick Tock"!!!

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King)
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net
Keywords: Equality, Fairness, Same Standards?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:01:53 GMT

In article <91404@netnews.upenn.edu>, crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
(Lauren L. Crawford) writes:

|> In article <1992Oct2.033113.22751@news.columbia.edu> ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
|> (Imran Anwar) writes:
|> >In article <1992Oct1.015208.3507@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com
|> >(Seth Breidbart) writes:
|> >
|> >>There is evidence about David Duke (like him being a bigshot in the
|> >>KKK).  What is the evidence about Rushdie?
|> >
|> >Oh, but Duke does say he was not really what he seemed to be, so doesn't
|> >that make him innocent just like Rushdie's claims make him "not offensive"
|> 
|> [etc.]
|> 
|> It seems to me that the issue isn't whether or not Rushdie's book offended
|> Moslems, Christians, Jews, women, African-Americans, the elderly, whatever,
|> but
|> rather is it acceptable to issue death threats to an artist who offends
|> us?  It's very easy for me to see how Rushdie's book was offensive to
|> Moslems, particularly when I learned a bit more about Islamic tradition. 
|> But so what?  The list of authors raised in Jewish or Christian traditions
|> who later wrote books about their struggles to extract themselves from
|> their backgrounds is longer than my arm.  Detest those writers, hate their
|> books, rail about them to anyone who will listen -- but murder them? 
|> That's psychopathic.
|> 
|>   
|> 
|> -- 
|> Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu


YES!!!  About time someone explicitly stated the real issue here!
It disturbs me that this thread remains  labelled "Anti-Arab racism" ...
when people were outraged at dogmatic political agendas in the past for
their brutal oppressive tendencies, no one called their condemnation of
attrocities "racist."  When nazism and communism oppressed and murdered
scientists and artists, critics weren't admonished for being "anti-stalinite,"
"anti-communist" or "anti-Hittlerite" racists.  But it's racist to suggest 
that the Islamic hostility (which threatens Rushdie daily) is a relatively
undesireable way to treat another human being?  I don't think so.


______________

Loren King
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Subject: Re: Quayle and Lawyers
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:07:07 GMT
Organization: Superseding Information, Inc.
Followup-To: alt.flame

In <Oct.1.08.38.35.1992.14872@romulus.rutgers.edu>, kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu sez:
>In article <1992Sep30.220128.17284@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell, a.k.a. Ted Frank) writes:
>
>> Theodore A. Kaldis:

>>> Dan Quayle has managed to get elected to the Senate of the United
>>> States (no trivial task) -- more than once.  What have you
>>> accomplished?
>
>> Well, I've gotten better grades in law school than Dan Quayle did.
>
>So you say.  If you want to prove the point, then please have your
>registrar send me a copy of your transcript (with official seal,
>please) -- and a comparison your grades with the VP's.

If Ted Frank doesn't have a GPA higher than Quayle's law school
average -- a glorious 2.74 -- I promise not to flame Ted Kaldis's many
imminent idiocies for an entire year.

BTW, I think it would be only fair were Kaldis to provide Ted Frank
(or me) with a copy of *his* undergraduate transcript, as well as a
xerox of his last pay stub.  I just wanna confirm that six-figure
salary once and for all.

-- 
		The sleep of reason begets Limbaughs.

	Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
From: drinkwat@adobe.com (Fred Drinkwater)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Skinhead speech protected, Supreme Court says (was: Re: Fuck You
Keywords: Family wage
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:48:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: adobe.1992Sep30.234843.26321
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <19230@smoke.brl.mil> matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:
>... women's bodies -- which are made in the image of G-d -- ...
and later:
>... hairy-legged Feminazis...

As opposed, I suppose, to the the shaved-legged women Mr. Rosenblatt
approves of.

Apparently, Mr. Rosenblatt approves of editing the image of God
to suit his own preferences, but has a problem with those women (the vast
majority, of course) who don't edit their bodies to his taste.  Is 
it Mr. Rosenblatt or the women who are more respectful of God?

	Fred Drinkwater


	
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: protein@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Chris Blackmon)
Subject: Credit report legality...
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: misc
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:10:27 GMT

Does anyone know whether or not it is legal to present my credit info
on my parents report?  Most of my credit history was done on my own accord...
seperate of that of my parents.


Chris Blackmon, N4VGK		||  In this business, you either lead, follow
protein@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu	||  or get the hell out of the way.
protein@hornet.catt.ncsu.edu    ||
"pour aller ou personne n'est jamais alle'...."
From: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net
Keywords: Equality, Fairness, Same Standards?
Reply-To: ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:06:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.042719.24846@leland.Stanford.EDU> dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.033113.22751@news.columbia.edu> ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) writes:
>
>>Oh, but Duke does say he was not really what he seemed to be, so doesn't
>>that make him innocent just like Rushdie's claims make him "not offensive"
>
>You're changing the subject here.
>
On the contrary it was OTHERS who changed the subject, the subject was
anti-Arab (read anti-Islamic) racism and that is what we started with,
and then Rushdie was brought in.

To help bring the subject back to what it was I have posted a news item
from the NY Times about a JUDGE's anti-Arab actions and words etc.

>Dave Eisen    dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU   Sequoia Peripherals: (415)

Imran Anwar




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From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net?  How about Satanic Verses? Good then.
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:13:28 GMT
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org

In article <1992Oct5.084324.17183@news.vanderbilt.edu>
MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbil
t.edu () writes:


>Art and literature are basically means by which someone expresses
>his or her views regarding anything.


Is this really true? Countless works of literature express
something other than the artist's own views. Consider, for example,
LOLITA. Are we to read this novel and conclude that Nabokov is a would-be
child-molester?


>  Instead, it SHOULD be banned in Muslim countries because it is
>about time the Islamic goverments do something profitable towards the
>strengthening of Islam and reject the Western ways of wining and dining.


I'd think that banning American Express cards would do more toward this
end.


>  If you want to know What is in the Satanic Verses that MUSLIMS
>are so outraged about, then STUDY the Life of Muhammad (peace be upon
him).
>ANd study the devotion to his life and guidance that a billion people
>around the world share.  None among Muslims mention his name but that it
is
>followed by a pronouncing of blessings and peace.


I'd think that one would have to read THE SATANIC VERSES as well to know
what there is in the book that MUSLIMS are so outraged about.


>  Many Muslims have read The Satanic Verses and have discovered that
>it insults the Prophet's family calling his beloved wife a prostitute and
>himself a harrasser. Astaghfirullah Anaouzubillah!!!!!!!!!


This demonstrates the problems inherent in not doing your research.
Nowhere in THE SATANIC VERSES is the Prophet's wife called a prostitute or
the Prophet called "a harrasser."


>And there of course is much more or else there would not be such an
outrage
>among the Muslims on this matter.


Unless of course they were being misled.






--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"Liberty resides in the rights of that person
mnemonic@eff.org| whose views you find most odious."
(617) 864-0665  | 
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --John Stuart Mill
Xref: sparky misc.legal:18014 alt.politics.correct:5594
From: wlew@ucsd.edu (Lew, Wilbur)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Racism in America
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:55:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsd.wlew.1.0
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: vacard1.ucsd.edu

In article <353e02da23MH01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
>Subject: Re: Racism in America
>Date: 23 Sep 92 17:22:11 GMT

>This is a great thread, but it no longer bears any relation to anything over 
>which misc.legal has subject matter jurisdiction.

>I suggest that misc.legal be dropped from the subject header, and 
>alt.discrimination be used in its place.  I ask that posters to this thread 
>place "alt.discrimination,alt.politics.correct" in the Followup-To: line in 
>the header.

>Thank you.

>Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
>The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: "Multiculturalism and the First Amendment"
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:08:14 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <Bv9E2K.HF6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> paul@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul Pomes - UofIllinois CSO) writes:

>This must be your first introduction to Ed Nilges.  He's a noisy clown and
>safely ignored.  I must investigate how he escaped my kill file however...

He changed his name tag from Ed to Edward.  The kill file treats this as
a brand new person.
-- 
Mark
My opinions are mine, all mine.  Unless someone else claims them first.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com

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From: lkk@panix.com (Larry Kolodney)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,soc.college
Subject: Re: the MIT anti-trust case
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:36:19 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <07cM02bT243G01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:

>Universities are clearly engaged in trade.  They're not charitable 
>organizations.  If they are capable of sustaining higher prices only via 
>collusion, that's illegal.


Under what criteria do you distinguish a university from a charity,
such as the Red Cross?

Universities are non-profit institutions (like the Red Cross).  They
sell their "product" at or below cost (like the Red Cross sells
blood), and subsidize their product for less fortunate customers as a
matter of policy (like the Red Cross).  Both finance their activities
partly out of donations, partly out of government funds, and
partly out of user fees.

Most importantly, both exist not because there is a natural market for
their services, but because society at large nutures and protects the
institution because of the vital NON-MARKET role that it plays.



-- 
larry kolodney:(lkk@panix.com) 
_(*#&)#*&%)@(*^%_!*&%^!)*&#+!*&$+!?&%+!*&^_)*&#%)*&^%#+&
The past is not dead, it's not even past.   - Wm. Faulkner
From: "hilary miller" <hilary.miller@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: question: police auth
Date: 6 Oct 92 06:23:01 EST
Reply-To: "hilary miller" <hilary.miller@execnet.com>
Distribution: misc
Organization: Executive Networks Information


Barry O Olson, in a message to All on 10-05-92 at 2:37am, said:

BO>|Let's say you are driving in a 40mph zone doing 46. Cop radar detects
   |infraction, proceeds to follow. Cop follows five miles through winding
   |country road(which offender had turned on to). Cop turns on emergency
   |lights to apprehend after five mile tail. Cop never mentions previous
   |speed infraction, but comes up with something different as cause. Cop
   |smells beer, proceeds to question and arrests for dui.
   |Question: Is this excessive or unreasonable use of police authority?
   |______________________________________________________________________

               There ain't no such thing.  If he had reasonable
               cause to stop you (even something like a burned-
               out tail light), your goose is cooked.


   L A
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  H/\Y         CIS: 76040,1743
    
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Newsgroups: misc.legal,rec.arts.books,alt.censorship
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: Rushdie
Followup-To: rec.arts.books,alt.censorship
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:26:10 GMT

Followups out of misc.legal

In article <1992Sep27.231121.26653@news.columbia.edu> ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) writes:
>In response to Mike Godwin, I appreciate the information about Iron Dream
>but must beg to differ on the pont that Rushdie was not trying to be
>offensive.
>
>As aatter of fact that is exactly the reason I do not like his book, it
>was a deliberate attempt to malign and upset Muslims.

You could make a good living turning that mind-reading ability of yours
to the stock market.
-- 
           .. . . .  .  .   .    .     .     .    .   .  .  . . . ..
          ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: misc.legal,rec.arts.books
From: sanelson@stein.u.washington.edu (Sunny Nelson)
Subject: Re: Point of Technicality
Summary: The trust fund a good idea 
Keywords: permissible killing, more money
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 06:05:44 GMT

You'd better get cracking on that fundraising, Michael. We'll need 
a lot more than $100 to get started on our missile project!


*****************************************************************************
S.A. Nelson			   * 6.51 Skeptizismus ist nich unwiederlich, 
sanelson@u.washington.edu	   *  sondern offenbar unsinnig, wenn er 
(winner of the Amazing Transparent *  bezweifeln will, wo nicht gefragt
Man Scholarship)                   *  werden kann.	-L. Wittgenstein
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: pichocki@nbrwh34.bnr.ca (Stephen Pichocki)
Subject: Phone Traces - Legal Procedures??
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario Canada
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 15:40:30 GMT

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could possibly tell me of the legalities/logistics
of conducting a phone trace. Can a person's phone log be pulled/dumped legally.

If so, how does one go about it. The person that is interested lives in Ontario
Canand, and wants to know their options before proceeding. They would be 
interested in having another person's phone log pulled to prove a 
harassment claim.

Please email me or post a reply. Sorry if this has been covered before.

Regards,

Stephen Pichocki
Software Services
BUS   (416) 452-2391  FAX   (416) 452-4783   ESN   333-2391
Internet:  pichocki@bnr.ca

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