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From: stark@wam.umd.edu (Mike Stark)
Subject: Re: YEA, Baby #3 ... Midwife Info
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:37:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.025850.11056@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>In article <1992Oct02.234848.18919@watson.ibm.com> johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>>
>>And midwifes don't typically starve and dehydrate the poor woman for
>>her entire labor either.  Talk about setting you up for intervention!
>
>But if the labor turns out to be difficult or something unexpected
>happens, it takes a real MD to handle the situation and save the
>woman's life.  As to "starve" and "dehydrate", well, the real
>doctors seek to minimize the risk of the worst case, instead of
>looking to maximize the confort level of the average case.

Midwives are better trained to deal with normal pregnancy.  They are also 
better trained to recognize when the labor is progressing in a way that
will require skills that they do not posses.  Before our first child, Mary and
I interviewed many midwives and one OB/Gyn which Mary had trusted for years.
These interviews left us both more confident that the midwives were better 
equiped to handle pregnancy.  Midwives are more involved with their patients 
and pay much more attention to making a healthy pregnancy.

OBs are trained as surgeons and I think that that shows in the statistics.  In
the US, 1/4 of hospital labors end in C-section.

It is true that if you need a C-section, you had better enlist the services
of a surgeon.  If, however, you do not need one, I think you had better stay
as far a way from an OB as possible.

---Mike (Father and catcher of two children born 25' from where I am now.)
-- 
---Mike Stark                         | stark@umdhep.umd.edu
   Physics Department
   University of Maryland
   College Park, MD  20742
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 17:58:42 EDT
From: Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: places to live in the USA
 <JEFFK.92Oct7132157@dosXX.med.utah.edu>

since we're on the subject, more or less, of places...

how doe sone go about finding out what school systems
are like when one doesn't even live in the state in
question?  i'm thinking of moving to boston in december,
and i have to think about what section of the city (or
suburb thereof) i want to live in, and schools and rents
are the major considerations...  any and all advice
cheerfully accepted!

the ne.misc.kids picnic was much fun, btw!  hope to do it
again next year...  and the misc.kids clothing exchange
is a wonderful idea.
                                    -ailsa
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Amazing how long it takes the CAPS office to delete accounts!  B)

ALL MAIL TO ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com, please...
From: swirsky@adobe.com (Robert Swirsky)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: questions: baby monitors
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:14:55 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <JEFFK.92Oct7151649@dosXX.med.utah.edu> jeffk@dosXX.med.utah.edu (Jeff Knell) writes:
>
>Does anyone know if all montiors work on common CB
>frequencies?  If not, which ones do not?
>
>
I've yet to see one that works on "CB" frequencies. Until very recently,
all of them worked in the 49 MHz band (where cordless phones are located).
CB is from 26.965 to 27.405 MHz. Of course, a powerful radio transmitter
nearby can intefere with radios on other frequencies.

BTW I can hear the baby monitors of a few of my neighbors in
my apartment complex on my scanning radio.  You may want to think
twice about getting a baby monitor if you live in an apartment. It's
easy for anyone to listen in.


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tomca@microsoft.com (Tom B. Carey)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 09 Oct 92 17:14:10 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <16847@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>In article <aidler.718384836@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
>
>>How do doctors make their living?
>>(By diagnosing illnesses and prescribing treatments.)
>>The words and hypocritical actions of these professionals
>>cause me to question whenever they recommend something
>>"in my interest."
>
>How long have you been reading this group anyway? Everyone here knows
>that our only interest is our own wallets, period. We don't care about
>patients and never have. We also have a cure for cancer but we won't
>release it because it would decrease business. 
>
>The only thing I don't understand is why I had to take all the courses
>in medical school, and work all those nights. I don't need all that
>knowledge to sell laetrile off the back of a truck. I think we need the
>MBAs to go into medicine, streamline things, and get rid of these
>silly books.

Oh, well, that all fits, too. 

The long hours are to wear down your personality so that
you are receptive to the brainwashing of the medical establishment.
(haven't you read Confessions_of_a_Medical_Heretic? it is
all explained there.)

The books and exams are just to confuse those who aren't members
of the guild.

I suppose a smiley face is probably a good idea about now.

;-)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters)
Subject: Re: places to live in the USA
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:59:20 GMT

>
>But seriously folks, you may want to check out the Places Rated Almanac.  It
>rates most of the major metropolitan areas in the country, and I'm pretty
>sure that Syracuse isn't near the bottom.
>
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *

Just as a point of interest, I'll relay a story.  When I was about 10, we had
a neighbor who was obsessed with his children's safety.  He researched and
researched all the potentially "safe" places in the US and finally settled
on some mid-western town -- small, never had a major crime committed in the
town, rated high for resident's satisfaction, etc. etc. etc. The next year
there was one of the worst crime/murder sprees in that town that made all
the papers, the TV and radio.  All the parents on the block laughed at the
irony of it all, and decided to stay where they were.

Now, before you misunderstand me, I don't question the validity of selecting
where you live based on a few simple guidelines like quality of schools, 
crime rate, drug use stats, and the like.  But remember that there is only
so much you can do, and crime, danger, death, whatever can come from the
least likely places at the least likely times.  I wouldn't choose to live
in the heart of the ghetto in NY, but I don't avoid DC at night despite
the high murder rate here.  All I try to do is minimize the risks.

I wish I could remember the name of the town he moved to -- I know you'd
all recognize it.  Oh well.  Maternity memory loss strikes again.



--
--Mary Anne  
"What we have once enjoyed and deeply loved we can never lose, for all
that we love deeply becomes a part of us."  Helen Keller
                                                 [for Alexander]
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:43:59 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1615@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper) writes:
 > >it's amazing what happened to a lot of immigrant names once they
 > >passed through Ellis Island.
 >
 > My father and mother were born in Poland.  When their families
 > passed through Ellis Island, (so the story goes), part of my
 > father's family was effectively "renamed" because the immigration
 > officials were tired of trying to spell, "Buraczenski" (my maiden
 > name).  Unfortunately, the families never re-established contact
 > with the "Murphy" side of the clan.

I don't know exactly how it happened, but when my wife's family moved
from Hong Kong to the U.S. in 1969, the parents got their names
spelled "Eng" while all the children were "Ng."

This has caused occasional confusion, like the time my parents' local
newspaper had to call them five separate times to confirm that the
spellings were correct before they'd publish our wedding announcement.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Holly Wise)
Subject: Re: Re: Barbie likes her Math hard (was: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 17:52:23 GMT

In article <4570269@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com> janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus) writes:

>>I saw a large display of Teen Talk Barbies at K-Mart the other day.
>>According to the back of the box, "Math class is hard" is NOT one of
>>the four phrases they say.  However, on the written description of the
>>doll, it says that Barbie says four fun phrases about, something like,
>>friends, dating, and school.  None of the four phrases listed on the
>>box have anything to do with school, so it sounds to me like Mattel
>>already realized that they had a problem and did some last minue
>>changes.

>When I called the Mattel 800 number to complain, they verified that
>Barbie does indeed say "Math class is hard".  But perhaps there are
>different versions of Barbie out there as well.

I heard there are 600 messages that Barbie says.  They are randomly chosen.  
You don't know which Barbie you are getting until you buy it.  Before I 
found out that Barbie said that bit about math class, I had already bought 
my daughter one for her birthday.  I was going to take it back, but checked 
first to see what it said.  It said "Art class is Fun", "Let's go to the ski 
lodge", "Let's have a pizza party" and "You're my best friend".  I decided 
to keep it and let my daughter have it mainly because Art is her favorite 
subject and it didn't say anything about math.  I understand Mattel has 
stated that if you do happen to get a Barbie with "math class is hard", you 
can take it back and exchange it for one that doesn't say it (preferrably 
before your daughter hears it).
-----
holly@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca 
Subject: Nausea/Vomiting  Control
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:58:24 GMT

Hi Folks,

Thanks a bundle for your responses for acidity control. My wife
was throwing up everything she ate for the past several days. Even
crackers would trigger a vomitack. Some kind soul suggested that
she take any color-less soda pop sprinkled with salt & lime.

Guess what, that did the trick. Not only has she not vomited lately;
she can also eat a lot more and feel OK most of the time.  Now the
question: any (major/minor) side effects from this home remedy
(i.e. pop+salt+lime) ? My wife is 9 weeks pregnant.

Once again, thanks to all the prospective mums and dads who have
been so generous in sharing all sorts of useful info with us.  May
you all have a safe and healthy delivery.

Best wishes,
Jimmy
jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
--
jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 22:38:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.130304.19446@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
> 
> Diane, idealism is all fine and good BUT it fades fast when
>the other elementary school kids find out your kid won't fight back.
>He's going to encounter confrontations ten fold.
> At some point a man has to do what a man has to do.
> Eventually your son will being fighting for his slice of the pie
>in life and you are not going to be there.

Ditto for little girls. My father taught me to box when I was very small.
I was undersized for my age, and a fifth grade bully started to bother me
in early second grade. One day he grabbed for me and I hit him hard in the
stomach, twice. He never bothered me again, but the school was angry with
ME! :-)
 

-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
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From: gds@LA.TIS.COM (Greg Skinner)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Playground machismo
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:43:11 GMT
Organization: in your face!

In article <92136@netnews.upenn.edu> Lauren Crawford writes:
>My brother had one very bad year in elementary school, when a group of
>boys would get together and beat him up almost daily.  He didn't want to
>tell my parents or the school for fear of looking like a "sissy."  He
>fought back, all right, but what can you do when the odds are 6 to 1? 
>Eventually, he did tell our parents.  Our parents told the ringleader's
>parents.  The ringleader's parents beat him black and blue, literally
>(guess that's where he got it in the first place), and he came over to
>apologize.  

>There were no problems after that, and some of the other boys ended up
>becoming friends with my brother later on.  

Your brother was pretty lucky there was no more trouble.  In the
neighborhood I grew up in, telling the other kid's parents would not
have been likely to do too much good, and might possibly have done even
more harm.  There were circumstances in which the cops had to be called
in to restrain some kids from harming others.

>Whoever said childhood was idyllic was in major denial.

I guess it depends on where and how you grew up.

--gregbo
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.scuba,rec.travel
From: jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com (Jill Boyce)
Subject: Need advice: Cayman scuba trip w/ baby
Reply-To: jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com
Organization: Hitachi America Ltd
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:23:14 GMT



I an planning a scuba diving trip to Grand Cayman with my husband and
our six month old baby in mid-November.

I need advice on good places to stay.  Does anyone have an opinion on
a hotel vs. a condo?  (We are leaning towards a condo.)  What are good condos
(or good hotels) to stay at?  Where can we book a low-priced package
including airfare and scuba diving?  Would we need a rental car if we stayed
at a condo?

What about babysitting?  We would like to have the baby spend a lot
of time with a sitter so that we actually get a vacation and go scuba diving,
etc.  But, we are concerned about the quality of care available.  Ideally we
would like to hire one person for 40 hours for the week.

Any advice would be appreciated.



Jill Boyce
jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Object not to Barbie, but Popeye cartoons!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 20:16:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) says:

>All of this argument about Barbie influencing sex stereotypes and how
>damaging this can be to children reminded me of a cartoon I watched
>this past weekend.
>
>We were grazing across the channels when we passed a cartoon.  Brian
>(who's 3) immedialtely said he wanted to watch the cartoon.  It was
>Popeye.  We stopped. Brutus and Olive Oyl were enjoying dinner togetner
>when he wanted more--he tried to kiss her.  She said no and tried to
>push away.  Brutus just grabbed her, threw her across his shoulder and
>walked away with her.  She was hitting him and yelling help.
>Now if that doesn't make you want to scream, what does?  I would
>much rather my daughter (and son) play with a Barbie who says, quite
>truthfully "Math is hard" than watch a brutal man have such disragard
>for a woman's rights.  Instead of writting Mattel, we should write
>Warner Brothers (is that right?) for making and distributing such
>obvious infrigements on women's rights

     I agree, I could never stand Popeye as a kid; all it was was the
same old stuff - Brutus threatens Olive, Wimpy asks for money for a
humburger, Popeye goes off to resccue Olive, eats spinach, turns into
the Hulk, and they all go home.
     There were 2 positives - a few times, Olive was the one who ate
the spinach, got big, and rescued Popeye.  Also, if memory serves from
the days when I read a lot of trivia books, Popeye adopted the baby in
the cartoon, Sweet Pea.  Now, maybe I'm wrong, but if true, that's one thing
he had going for him; he was willing to take on stereotypically female roles.
However, don't you think that  children want to see something more than the
same old thing, show after show?  The ones my friend and I recall liking
most were the ones where the characters were doing something new and silly
each day, like Loony Toons (or TinyToons now), Mickey Mouse, etc.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:31:04 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct7.120925.12713@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>	Why is it that people are not willing to accept the experiences
>	of others as being real?
>
Because some people have given evidence of being irrational, unreliable and
or biased observers or otherwise cognitively impaired.


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From: lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Potty Training (was Re: praise vs encouragement?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 06:05:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.weoiv1G00iV3I1SP9P
	<1992Oct7.032613.24023@cactus.org>
Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 07-Oct-92 in Re: praise vs encouragement? 
user Deborah Platt@cactus.org writes:
>...I have a 20 mo,
>and I would say that at this age we do both praise and encouragement,
>but given her age neither are particularly sophisticated.  Encouragement
>goes something like this, "You're doing it -- that's right -- you've
>almost got it."  Praise goes more like this "Good job -- that was great --
>that was close -- how nice"  About the only difference that I can see is 


Mickey will be 3 in November, so we are working on potty training (at
his initiation).  Your praise & encouragement examples sound like what I
heard my husband saying over the monitor yesterday evening, while Mickey
was pooping in the big potty for the first time.

He (Mickey) was so enthralled by the process that he would pause after
each "elimination", to be wiped and flush.  He hasn't quite gotten the
idea that you can get all the poop out of your body at one time, then
wipe & flush. :-)

Oh well, slow progress is better than no progress, & we're THRILLED at
his initiation!!

Laura
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Childproofing resources sought in Boston
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:02:20 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I am in the process of chilproofing my home. I purchased a large 
number of gadgets and cabinet closures from the local Toys R Us
and found them to be of poor quality and basically unreliable.

Does anybody know of a good place in the North Shore area around
Boston to purchase childproofing supplies?


Thanks
Dave Dorfman

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lpc@dickens.com (Luis P Caamano)
Subject: Re: What happened to Barney?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:45:06 GMT
Organization: Dickens Data Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct13.191642.22963@cbfsb.cb.att.com> gbk@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (g.b.karlovsky) writes:
>
>
>Boy do I agree with this thread...  in fact, I started to ask my husband to 
>make sure he doesn't allow our 2 1/2 year old watch Barney and he pointed out
>that just becuase I don't like it doesn't mean SHE shouldn't watch it...

Oh well, I'd rather have my kid watch Barney than those other
cartoons with guns and fights and violence and etc ...

But maybe some other people want their kids to be fighters ...

>
>Anyway, as for toys, we saw a whole bunch of Barney stuffed animals and 
>puppets in J C Penneys in the children's department as well as the female
>dinosaur (whose name I don't know).
>

J C Penney is pretty good handling the toys.  We just bought a
small stuffed Barney as a birthday gift for our 3 yo.  They
didn't have the one with the open mouth and so they gave us an 800
number to call.  We called and they shipped one Barney to the store we
specified in one day.  That was good service.

My kid can't be happier with his new Barney.  However, I had 
to be careful to explaining that the one he got doesn't change into
the big Barney, or else I would've got problems (I guess) ...

-- 
Luis P. Caamano                        |         lpc@dickens.com
Dickens Data Systems, Inc. Atlanta, GA |         uunet!dickens.com!lpc
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From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sugarbabies
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:25:35 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I knew about not giving honey to infants from
several sources. However, -What to Expect
the First Year- also mentions corn syrup in
this context (infant botulism risk) - this seems
odd to me, given that so many infants (including
mine) are routinely given corn syrup to help
constipation.

Does anyone out there know if corn syrup really
is risky? and what about stuff like maple syrup?
And does cooking/baking change any of this (it's
hard to find bread without honey/cornsyrup/maple
syrup added, unless it's something like pita)

thanks for any information,

Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: equacken@encore.com (Eric E. Quackenbush)
Subject: Re: Help avert a tragedy(smoke detectors)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:18:33 GMT

wolffie@u.washington.edu writes:

>In article <1ba9hfINN2ju@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas  
>Fowler) writes:

>>      Officials also said that faulty smoke detectors have prevented at  
>least
>> a few people from awakening in time.  Please, *please*, check the  
>batteries
>> in your detectors a couple times a year.  

>How about getting them hard-wired so that they don't require batteries?
>I can think of worse ways to spend money.

>John Wolff

Part of the "Learn not to burn" program is:

When you change your clocks (to and from daylight savings) change the 
batteries in your smoke detectors.  This automatically replaces them twice
a year.  So...buy them batteries for next week :)

Sorry if this has been discussed.  Net's been down for sometime.

Eric Quackenbush

Newsgroups: misc.kids