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From: deng@dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov (dp)
Subject: Re: Steelers waive Ricketts
Organization: RHIC: (Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:44:35

>>>>> In article <1992Aug31.193546.14141@cis.ohio-state.edu>
>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Martens <martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu> writes:

  Jeff> Apparently the Steelers have waived OL Tom Ricketts, their 1st round
  Jeff> draft pick in '89.  I haven't followed his career too closely; why did
  Jeff> they give up on him?
  Jeff> -- 

Most Steelers first round picks don't pan out well in the last ten or so
years. Woodson and Green are two exceptions



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From: rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh)
Subject: Re: This season surprises.
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Summary: Tampa Bay??? NOT!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:14:32 GMT

In article <Derek_Juntunen.07id@abcd.Houghton.MI.US> Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Hought
on.MI.US (Derek Juntunen) writes:
>Who does everyone think this seasons big surprise will be?
>Here are my picks:
>
>1.  Minnesota
>2.  Tampa Bay
>3.  NY Jets
>
>Any thought?

     Minnesota? Perhaps, if Harbaugh has a poor year.
     NY Jets? Wouldn't surprise me.
     Tampa Bay? Not a chance. Decent personnel, but as a general rule, teams 
with first year coaches do not do terribly well. I know, everybody is going 
quote the Browns after Bud took over, but he was the exception to the rule. 
However, the rest of the NFC thanks the Cincinnati Bengals for dumping Wyche, 
and we fully expect good things out of the Bucs very soon.

Go Reds! Go Buckeyes! Go Browns!
David Rodabaugh                rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Senior, Mechanical Engineering
The Ohio State University
From: ginsburg@cme.nist.gov (Dylan Ginsburg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins Running Backs
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:23:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology
In-reply-to: greenfie@vtserf.cc.vt.edu's message of 26 Aug 92 19:42:42 GMT

In article <6065@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> greenfie@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Steve Greenfield) writes:

>I read the Post everyday and from what I've read and seen from the games
>the running backs are:
>
>     Byner      -  number one
>     Earvins    -  close second
>     Green      -  will make team because of special teams play
>     Riggs      -  cut a few days ago
>     Settle     -  had a shot but fumbled against Raiders
>
>Earvins looks real good but he is no big banger like Riggs.  I bet the
>Skins use a 4 wide set on short yardage.  I bet Earvins would rush for
>more yards than Byner but the Skins rely on that blocking by Byner to
>help out the now questionable offensive line.


Gibbs has named Ervins as his short yardage back. Although he
certainly doesn't have the size of Riggs, Ervins has incredible leg
drive. He is also much quicker and can find the hole better. Riggs
just sort of plowed into the line and tried to make a hole whether it was
there or not. Ervins can also leap over the line, if necessary. I
think he will be more productive than Riggs in short yardage.

I will be very surprised if Gibbs uses the 4 wide out package on short
yardage. Perhaps occasionally, but Gibbs tends to be pretty
traditional on things like that.

You forgot Brian Mitchell in your list of backs. He will definately
make the team because of his kick and punt return talent. (He returned
one 97 yards for a TD last Saturday.) Its very much up in the air
whether the Skins will keep 5 backs. If not, look for them to keep
Green over Settle since Green has been very impressive so far and
Settle has not.

The decision of whether to start Byner or Ervins is a tough one.
Ervins is a better runner at this point, but Byner is a better overall
package and a team leader. Without a doubt, Byner will go into Dallas
as the starter. Gibbs will probably alternate them somewhat, but
Ervins may just be too explosive to keep out for long. It's been a
while since the Skins have had a back who could break it on any play.

--
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From: pbright@ils.nwu.edu (Paul Brightbill)
Subject: Hey Ram Fans
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:35:06 GMT


I have a favor to ask of someone in touch with what's going on in L.A. 
First off, I should admit that I could care less about the Rams.  I am a
die-hard Packer fan, unfortunately living in state full Bear fans.

That aside, I'm interested in the punting showdown happening in L.A. 
Seeing how the Pack has sucked for so many years, a group of us became
close to the ex-Packer punter, Don Bracken.  Don is our hero.  During the
non-glory years, he became responsible for 1/4 of the Packer's ghastly
run-run-pass-punt offense.  Therefore, we have started a fan club in his
honor.  Don is now one of 4 players trying out for the position with the LA
Rams.  Don not only can punt, but he is an awesome holder, and I've heard
he can chug a beer with the best of them.

So would someone in L.A. please be willing to correspond with me via e-mail
and let me know how Don is doing?  I'll try to find some way to make it
worth your while!

thanks...

PB
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From: dbrown@boulder.Colorado.EDU (David Brown)
Subject: Oilers
Summary: oilers
Keywords: oilers
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:52:09 GMT

I finally got to see the Oilers play this preseason, and did they ever look great against the Saints!!!  Following the game, I have a couple of comments and
a couple of questions.

1.  Corey Harris and Manny Hazard are the two wideouts the team was looking for
when they dropped Hill and Jones.  These guys didn't just catch the ball and 
run for the sidelines; they ran with the pigskin and threw blocks downfield.

2.  Warren Moon and the offensive line looked terrific.  Get Munchak back in    there and the line will be as solid as ever.

3.  The defense hit as hard as they did early last season when they controlled games and went 7-1.

4.  Where was Lamar Lathon?  It seems that Graf is a fairly heady LB, but he's
no Lathon.  

5.  How close are William Fuller and Chris Dishman to signing?

6.  When Dishman returns, does Gray start at the other corner?  Or will Steve
Jackson step into Richard Johnson's starting position?  It would be nice to havea good corner opposite the Dish.

7.  Are the coaches giving Eddie Robinson a shot at starting in place of Meads 
at OLB?  If so, any predictions on when the move will be made?
  
8.  Who will be the starting wideouts when the season opens?  

D
Well thanks for your time.
David
:wq
 
ro signing
?
From: jorgand@sumax.seattleu.edu (Dave Jorgan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Stupid Houston releases Bailey
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:41:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: sumax.4939
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <55962@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <4933@sumax.seattleu.edu> jorgand@sumax.seattleu.edu (Dave Jorgan) writes:
>>	5. Ricky Proehl of the Cardinals is another example. Many people
>>blasted the Cardinals when they made him a 2nd round pick. They said he
>>was too small, slow, etc. to justify such a high selection, and the Cards
>>reached when taking him. Yet, he has proved to be a excellent WR, well worth
>>a #2 selection. If conventional wisdom had prevailed, perhaps Proehl would
>
>Proehl was taken in the 3rd round, not the second. Anthony Thompson was
>the Cards first pick that year, but he was in the 2nd round because they
>lost their first pick by taking Rosenbach in the supplemental draft. 
>Proehl was their 2nd pick, but int the 3rd round. Who complained when
>they picked him? Sporting News had him as one of the sleepers of the draft,
>and he was considered a steal.
>
>
>
>Russ Smith


	Correct. My mistake. Proehl was taken in the 3rd round, not the
second. But there were complaints. He was considered a sleeper, but not
a third round pick by most. I can only go on memory on this one, because
I don't have the pre season annuals and magazines from that season, but
some people called Proehl another George Boone special (a reach.) In
particular, I recall them blasting the Cardinals for selecting Proehl
over the much higher rated Greg McMurtry. The one magazine I do have,
Pro Football Weekly, July 1990 issue, has Proehl rated as the 13th best
reciever overall in that draft, but Proehl was the 3rd reciever taken
overall (behind Alex Wright and Mike Bellamy.) All the other receivers
in that draft went after Proehl, and many of those had higher, or much
higher, ratings than he did.




Dave Jorgan
jorgand@sumax.seattleu.edu
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From: beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (Earthbound)
Subject: A few Questions......
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:43:59 GMT

1) Does anyone know how far apart M.Irvin and the cowboys are? Is he 
    going to sign anytime in the near future? (This is the LAST time 
    I pick a cowbaby on my FFL team since I Live Green)

2) The USA today never printed any cutts for the Eagles, does anyone
    know who they cut and who might be cut later?

3) Who is going to start for Seattle at QB? 

4) How has Amp Lee looked in the preseason?

5) When will F. Barnette be back? I heard he was hurt but do not know how
    bad...

6) Are the Eagles still going after the Fridge?


Thanks for any answers, I'm stuck in Alabama-Auburn country WITHOUT CABLE!!!
							    UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- 
Luke
		The most romantic thing anyone ever said to me in bed was
		"Are you sure you are not a cop?"
I only drink for medicinal purposes: unfortuantly I have been sick for 5 years.
From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Colts and Bentley
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:14:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidrah.central.sun.com


Well, I now know that Bentley was cut.  Anyone know if the Colts will claim him
IF he makes it through without being picked up?  If not who do they plan on starting
Clark, Johnson?  Any news on why they let him go, seems like a pretty stupid move to
me unless he really sucked in preseason, but of course who would know.  I'm here
in Grand Rapid just a couple of hours from Indy and we hear nothing about the Colts.

nate
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From: ptripp@diana.cair.du.edu (Phil Tripp)
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Keywords: snob, real definition
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 14:39:57 GMT

In article <2308@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.180202.11797@usho93.hou281.chevron.com> jjdti@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.D.Tilander) writes:
>>Okay...I haved lurked here and watched this argument.  These NFC easters are 
>>football SNOBS!!
>
>from Daniel's New Improved Dictionary:
>
>SNOB: (n)  Term applied to someone who can afford to have higher standards
>than the person doing the applying.

Not in my Webster's!

snob, n., one judging by rank and wealth rather than merit.

The NFC East teams are probably wealthier and are certainly 
ranker :-) so any real snob would certainly judge them to be
superior to the other teams in the other divisions.

Hey, who gives a *$#@ anyway. Such words, comments, predictions,
etc. are nothing, like politicians' speeches. The reality will
be delivered through the action on the field, period.

(Liked your poem in your sig.)

Die-hard BRONCO Fan

-- 
Phil Tripp, Computing and Information Resources, U of Denver, Denver, CO, USA
ptripp@zephyr.cair.du.edu
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From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor)
Subject: USFL Team Names
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:13:30 GMT

Here they are (in no particular order):

Tampa Bay Bandits, Chicago Blitz, Michigan Panthers, Birmingham Stallions,
New Jersey Generals, Philadelphia Stars, Washington Federals, Boston
Breakers, LA Express, Denver Gold, Oakland Invaders, and Arizona Wranglers
for the first season

For season two, Boston moved to New Orleans, and six expansion teams were
added:

Pittsburgh Maulers, Memphis Showboats, San Antonio Gunslingers, Houston
Gamblers, Oklahoma Outlaws and Orlando Renegades
(Also, before season two, Arizona and Chicago swapped teams)

In the third season, Oakland merged with Michigan, Washington merged with
Orlando, Philadelphia moved to Baltimore, New Orleans moved to Portland,
Arizona merged with Oklahoma to become the Arizona Outlaws, and Chicago did
not play.


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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Re: If Walker should fail.
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:43:38 GMT

In article <5f0R03gv72O600@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>This is just plain BS. Herschel averaged more than 4 yards per carry last
>year and I believe he did so throughout his tenure at the Metrodomw. This would 
	You didnt have to go see this guy play, and lose games for your team.
	He fumbled on more than one critical play, and I saw him stopped 3
	times one game on 1st & goal on the 1. He did not hit holes hard,
	he looked like he was scared to get hurt. Maybe I am bitter at the
	loss, but this guy did not seem to have any heart.

>sympathy here. Check the stats.. Herschel gave you guys better than 4 yards 
>per carry which, given the shitty play-calling and offensive scheme Burnsy 
>set forth.. if probably pretty damn good. 
>

	Very true about not being used properly though. Wish it could have
	been different, but I think the Vikigns are a better team without him
	now. Allen & Craig will fill in nicely.

							Mark Gresbach
							GO VIKINGS
From: dmeier@grumpy.helios.nd.edu (daniel meier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Kelly Blackwell
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:05:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

Can someone give me information about how Kelly Blackwell is doing?  I
know that he signed a free agent contract with the Bears, but I want 
to know what has happened since.  Did he end up making the squad?

P.S.  In case anyone is wondering, Blackwell was the All American tight
end out of TCU last year.

Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks.

dmeier@darwin.cc.nd.edu
From: mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: If Walker should fail.
Date: 2 Sep 1992 16:47:16 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1992Sep2.094336.11688@hemlock.cray.com> rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:

>
>Part of the problem is that a 4 yard average is not the same as being able
>to gain 4 yards on any given carry.  A typical Herschel 5 carries would result
>in +21, +1, +1, 0, -3.  Sure, it's a four yard average, not consistent enough
>to sustain a drive.  Herschel could not even succeed in run-out-the-clock
>situations.  A normal running back (with the Vikes line) could always find
>a crack to gain a few yards on any given carry, resulting in 3rd & 3-4 yard
>stuations (that the team could run for).  With Herschel, if the line did not 
>give him 4 steps to get up to speed and a hole exactly where it was supposed
>to be, he would gain little or no yardage.  That sets up 3rd & 8y situations.
>
>Not to mention Herschel's failure to gain yardage in short yardage situations.  
>
>By contrast, Terry Allen, who is quick, can cut, and find a crack, will
>gain 1000+ yards for the Vikes this year.
>
This is excellent commentary.  I am a Cowboy's fan who has followed
Hershel very closely.  I went to Ga Tech while he was at Georgia.  I
followed the USFL, and saw him gain 2000+ yards in that wonderful
season. I have never been a fan of his running style, one that I think
is oddly suited toward running over and through players of less than
NFL caliber....

He is a runner who looks great when there is a huge hole.  The one guy
grabbing at his foot will not bring him down.  Another on his thighs
or hips has no chance.  However, if the hole is not exactly where is
was supposed to be, he will gain little or no yardage.  The author of
the above note could not have stated the truth more eloquently, and
his commentary about the yards EVERY carry vs. yards per carry is
right on the mark.  

Her$chel would do well for a dedicated running team.  He would do even
better, IMHO as a flanker, believe it or not.  His pass catching
skills have only been showcased that one season in Dallas, and he
caught 2 or 3 bombs that year that would make your heart skip a beat.
He as a keen eye for the ball and has the speed and size to make most
DB's quiver.  His jumping ability is lacking somewhat (in conjunction
with catching), but he is an excellent slant and go receiver..

Maybe that is what they should pay him for... oh yeah, the Eagles
already have a great back like that... his name is Keith Byars
From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Glanville/Falcons image ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:56:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug26.165602.27979
Distribution: na
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <2313@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug26.133016.3189@brtph560.bnr.ca> cboeker@bnr.ca writes:
|> >Now, being inside the Atlanta media zone where Glanville has helped bring
|> >respectability back to Falcons football, he gets only good press.  Is the
|> >same true outside Atlanta, or is he still considered an advocate of dirty
|> >play.
|> 
|> Glanville has always been to me a second-rate Buddy Ryan -- the same
|> stupid gestures and sneering, but without even Ryan's defensive coaching
|> talent.
|> 
|> In the media, he has always been portrayed as "the quick fix" -- capable
|> of coming to a fairly good but struggling team and getting those few
|> extra wins the next year, just on sheer emotion.  Players, I think,
|> respond to his kind of coaching at first, because a lot of them are
|> really just big kids.  Over the long haul, though, he lacks what it
|> takes to make a real winner.  His style, effective at first, will almost
|> invariably lead to infighting and discord on the team.
|> 
|> >Also, do the Falcons have the same kind of image as the Glanville
|> >era Oilers?
|> 
|> Yes.  If you want an example, there is no better one than last year's
|> game against the Saints, when on the last play of the game, and up by *less*
|> than a touchdown, they (intercepted? ran back a punt? can't remember which)
|> were on a return, and lateralling the ball back and forth, trying to get
|> a touchdown, when all they had to do was fall on the ball and the game
|> was over.  It wasn't only classless, it was *stupid*, because they could
|> have fumbled and had the Saints run it in for a (winning) touchdown.  That
|> epitomizes Jerry Glanville, I think.
|> 

THAT was NOT a Glanville decision, and in fact, Glanville SEVERELY (well, sort of)
reprimanded his players for actions like that. It WAS an interception, and the 
person who caught it did what he did because, and he was quoted as saying this,
"I like to see Deion run with the ball." He did all kinds of stupid laterals to 
get it to Deion.

Glanville afterwards said, "I was just hoping someone normal would get the ball
and fall on it, but so far as I have seen, ther is no one normal on this team."
Don't blame Glanville for this... it was the players' at-all-risks attitude.
But, without that attitude, they wouldn't have gotten where they were...



|> Daniel Welch
|> ----
|> Would our paths have crossed if every great loss
|> Had turned out a gain?
|> Would our paths have crossed if the pain it cost us
|> Was paid in vain?


-- Venk --
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Joe (Toast?) Montana
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:13:36 GMT

Doyle Donehoo (donehoo@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com) wrote:
: Remember those of you who said Joe was Toast? That Joe was 
: washed up? That he was outta here??
: 
: Well, toast is served. Eat your words.
: 
: Joe Montana was throwing in practice today, and will start this Friday.

That's funny, the newspaper report *I* read said Montana "might even
play a couple of downs" in the Seattle (pre-season) game, but that
Seifert had named Young the starter for the regular-season opener
against the Giants.  It also goes on to say "In essence, Seifert said,
the job was Young's to lose.  He added Steve Bono would be the first
off the bench should something happen to Young, leaving Montana as the
third quarterback, at least for the time being."

Yeah, so how *do* your own toasted words taste?

-- 
Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
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From: lesher@news.bucknell.edu (T. Lesher)
Subject: Re: Redskins Suck!
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:32:36 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug31.042957.21118@novell.com> rjmathia@la.sjf.novell.com (Robert Mathias) writes:
>
>I haven't seen any of the Cowboys games this pre-season but I know they
>couldn't have played as bad as the 'Skins all pre-season.  At times the 'Skins
>1st team defense has looked ok, but the offense is completely out of sync.
>I'm sure for all Cowboy fans, it will be a wonderful game, but I don't see
>anyway for my 'Skins to be ready for this game!
>
>
>
>Bob Mathias
>rjmathia@Novell.com
>CSERV: 70340,165

As much of a skins fan as I am, I have to agree.  Besides, it seems like
the 'Skins (my favorite team) always have a tough time with the Cowboys
(my least favorite team).  Look at last year...  Maybe if I had the
motivation, I could dig up some stats for the last few years on 'Skins-
Cowboys matchups... or could someone else?



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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: FANTASY FOOTBALL LEAGUE: UPDATE #1
Originator: delarocq@c00091-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: Satellite
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:48:37 GMT




  Northeast Division has 1 spot open (Albany,Chicago,Pittsburgh taken)
  Southeast Division has 3 spots open(Orlando taken)
  Northwest Division has 3 spots open(Colorado taken)
  Southwest Division is CLOSED.


  If you are from the Southwest, you can participate! This is just
  for team city names only (Don't submit Dallas, San Diego, etc.)
-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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