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From: liam@brewich.hou.tx.us (Liam)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: a party
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:26:50 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

> In many communities the cable company (ies)  are offering classes in filming
> and producing tv shows for airing on cable channels.  With a little effort
> and some training some of these shows actually become quite good.  Rather
> than a political statement a tv show can be a half hour educational show
> on comparitive religion and freedom of choice.  Who knows, it may be better
> than bending over and grabbing your socks as the far right comes marching
> through.
> Paul
> 
> -- 
>                           * * * * * * *
> "It is possible to join forces, to identify common goals, and to agree on
>  common action." - U.N. World Commission on Development and Environment
> 		       casspa@jacobs.cs.orst.edu

        The idea of a program of the type you describe might work as far 
as getting people to listen to somthing other than the current 
politico-religious dogma that is being forced down everyone's throats 
these days.  This would take the "other" poit of view to the one port of 
entry into the conciousness of "mainstream" society that is always 
open...the television.  This could be just the thing to opoen the door 
for public action in the communities in the form of public service 
projects and charitible actions (ie. cleaning parks and roadsides, 
planting trees, food and clothing drives,...etc). while these things 
would inevitably attract some hate-filled lonneys, the overall effect 
could be well worth it.
        On a simular note, some public radio stations will give airtime to  
individuals or groups for a small contribution, including
teaching someone how to operate the equipment if needed. 
                                        Blessed Be,
                                                 Liam

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liam@brewich.hou.tx.us (Liam)
(Alternate) liam%brewich@lobster.hou.tx.us
Origin: The Brewer's Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350
     "Silence is the voice of complicity" - Vote Early, Vote Often!
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: a party
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:42:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.143028.26119@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>The farmers party that was founded in the mid to late 1800'S never won
>an election but there vouce was herd well enufe that they did git the 
>changes that they wonted. they were able to let utheres know that they 
>were there and that they wernt going to let any one push them around.

They also represented the old "working folk" mythos that this country
purports to love so much.  Pagans are seen as devil-worshippers, New Age
mystics with their heads in the clouds, or just wimpy little
flower-lovers (why not condoning religious oppression or any other kind
makes one a "wimp" is something I never quite understood).  We won't get
the respect we think we deserve.  We will be seen by the rest of the
country as some Californee-phenomenon like pet rocks and love beads, no
matter what.  The country is just too far to the right right now for us
to be perceived any other way. 

>500k? if every one of those people donated .50$ then there would be
>250K$ in the cofers for bying are time and making comershals. us 

Which will buy you not even one minute on one of the big networks. 

>area pagens and a home camera and most of that would go for are time.
>this group would not be *just* for pagens it would be for every one
>with an alternit life style. You dont nead a trillone doller budgit
>to git your vouce herd. there are oganizations with smaler budgets
>that git there mesige threw.

The sentiment is appreciated, but I'm afraid not possible.  Home-made
videos will look chintzy and amateur.  People who are exposed to
gezillions of hours of TV every years will expect more.  We will be
laughed at.  The system as it is simply does not encourage success of a
social phenomenon working so far outside of it.  

Blessings,
Janis
From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Templars not Masons <flame risk HIGH>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:29:20 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

There's a Lithuanian pagan revival going on just now in Lithuania.  The
group is called ROMULVA, I think; there was a paragraph on it in a Circle
Newsletter a few issues ago.  I don't know how scholarly it is.

Robert
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: an herb question and a suggestion for a new newsgroup
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 16:21:44 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

ailsa%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:

> i woke up this morning with a frog in my throat so bad that i was even DREAMI
> of trying to clear my throat before i woke up.  i have been drinking

How interesting... My wife and I both woke up this morning with horrible
sore throats, went to the doctor, and we both have strep... :( But before I
even went to the doctor, the first thing I did was to make myself a big
very warm but not too hot cup of Bigelows Lemon Lift with a generous helping
of honey (I am part teddy bear, after all) and felt almost ok through waiting
forever in the doctor's office... :)  I hope you are feeling better?

> [...]
> also, when i was thinking of writing this, it occurred to me that there is no
> newsgroup specifically for the discussion of herbalism and herbal medicine.
> (if tehre is, and i missed it, please correct me.)  discusswions on it go on
> here at times, and in rec.food.veg, and even in misc.kids, but i think the be
> thing would be for the subject to have its own newsgroup.  how does one go
> about proposing a new newsgroup?  i was thinking of making it alt.herbalism,
> but better names are always welcome...   i prefer to stick with alt.* tho...

This lack is why I started a local newsgroup mn.herbalism which I share with
half a dozen other boards in the area. If alt.herbalism got started I would 
kill mn.herbalism and move my users over to the new one. You are welcome to 
write up the CFV! :)

BTW: I always look forward to posts with your name on them, and I too have
hazel eyes... :) 

Blessed Be

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From: shaman@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (David Melton)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Samhain Gathering
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:10:29 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Our Lady of the Hourglass Wiccan Church, in Lafayette IN, will be hosting
a Samhain weekend retreat October 31/Nov 1.  The event will be held at a
state park in north-central Indiana.  We plan to hold several divination
workshops, do a really awesome Samhain circle, and lots of feasting and
merrymaking to welcome the new year.  If you are interested in attending,
e-mail me and I will send you more info.  As it looks now, the only cost
will be to pay for the group camping site and for the feast.

 
========  
 I(  )I     David A. Melton                      
 I \/ I     shaman@mentor.cc.purdue.edu                                        
 I /\ I     Priest, Our Lady of the Hourglass Wiccan Church  
 I(  )I     Blest be thee and thine!
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 I(  )I     David A. Melton                      
 I \/ I     shaman@mentor.cc.purdue.edu                                        
 I /\ I     Priest, Our Lady of the Hourglass Wiccan Church
From: liam@brewich.hou.tx.us (Liam)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: re: pagan music
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 23:25:30 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

        Has anyone ever heard of a group called  Desert Wind?  My fiance' 
played some of thier stuff for me recently, and I admit it .....I am 
hooked.  I don't remember the names of any of thier tapes right now, but 
I highly recomend them.

                                      Blessed Be,
                                               Liam

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liam@brewich.hou.tx.us (Liam)
(Alternate) liam%brewich@lobster.hou.tx.us
Origin: The Brewer's Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350
     "Silence is the voice of complicity" - Vote Early, Vote Often!
From: popec@korova.uucp (Mr. Charlie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Lithuanian myth, ect.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 06:52:46 CDT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783

Thor Finn, (Sept. 1, 92) asks about any info on attempts to revive 
Lithuanian religion, ect.  I was reading the Aug 13 issue of the New York 
review, and came across an ad for the Indiana University Press. 
They are offering the following:
  Of Gods And Men:  Studies in Lithuanian Mythology
  Algirdas julien Gremias
   This first translation of Apie Dievus Ir Zmones is a brilliant 
   Convergence og Greimas' historical and folklore studies.  As both 
   story teller and explicator, he gives rise to the cultural memory of 
his people by deciphering the symbolic world of lituanian mythology.

  Available November $35.00 cloth

Don't know if Thor Finn or for that matter Ciaran Benson, (was that the 
person who was Lithuanian, as stated a few post back?), are THAT 
interested, but there you are.  Odd how I am reading posts about 
something as obscure as the Teutonic Knights subjectection of Lithuania 
and then to read this the next day.  Jung called it serendipity.
More proof, but of what?
By the way, when the Teutonic Knights attacked the Baltics, wasn't the 
region then a united kingdom called Samogita? Anyone recall or have 
relevant history books to check?  I believe that many years ago I read 
that Samogita was the last major Pagan country in Europe before the 
Catholic Church destroyed it.

--
              VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783
        "where you can find the Zeta Greys SAFEWAYING themselves
                into the WONDERBREAD *heart* of America!"
From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Freedom of Religion
Keywords: Civil Rights, Pagan
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:12:21 GMT
Organization: California State University: Sacramento

In article <1992Aug25.025911.1401@u.washington.edu> mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.000207.10316@csus.edu> altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
>>
>>If the FBI fails in its encryption/network access bill, we might even be able
>>to speak "privately" over e-mail.  As it is now, there is NO privacy.
>
> One of the reasons that I post a RSA public key for myself at the end of
>every message...
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>| Al Billings - Anthropology Undergrad - Admin for the Troth-l Mailing List | 
>| SysOp of The Sacred Grove BBS (206)634-1980 -=- mimir@u.washington.edu    |
>------------------------------ Cut Here -------------------------------------
>begin 644 GRENDEL.PUB
>MF58``1%^*@Q":6QL:6YG<RP@06S^`2N`$7JAHA^YG*D:W0:>,_,\N<XL-]7BN
>LV+1/'DT4SH3V2$'*(9NAE_,+VB9R.4=@$9R.J1?CL3H!9@HR8+7DD3@%`!$%E
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>----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

I hate to tell you Al, but I've read a number of articles, including one
interviewing a former NSA employee, and it seems that the NSA has little
problem getting around most of these attempts at encryption.  In fact, I
kinda get the feeling that the reason they are fighting so hard now is that
someone has proposed a new encryption standard that they don't have a key
for (YET).  Just my personal observation -- in this area there are no facts.

Blessings, 

Murray

-- 
Murray M. Altheim      "Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille,
Instructional Consultant    La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille
CSU, Sacramento          Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict
altheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Pat Robertson quote (good for a nervous laugh)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:36:25 GMT

In article <16353@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>Seen on rec.humor:
>
> Religous broadcaster Pat Robertson, who is always good for a laugh, is
>actively campaigning against Iowa's proposal to put the Equal Rights
>Amendment on their state constitution. Wire Reports reports he said in
>a letter last month that the ERA is part of a "feminist agenda" that
>"is not about equal rights for women." Instead, he wrote, "it is about a 
>socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to
>leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy
>capitalism and become lesbians."
>
>How can anybody take this guy seriously??
>
>Richard
>(Tuneweaver)

The sad thing is that many people do take him and other televangelists
seriously. It's one reason I've shied away from Christian religions. While
the basic teachings of Christ are valid (loving you neighbor as you would
yourself, etc.) this whole thing about some cosmic muffin deity telling me
that you are a sinner and you can only be redeemed by giving me lots of your
hard-earned cash in His/Her name really yanks my chain. Shades of Cotton
Mather, but many people do believe that the ERA is a plot to let women eat
the fruit of their loins and curse all men into impotency. I think this
problem stems from the fact that the more militant feminists <prepares to
take his life in his hands> think the ERA is merely a way to reverse the 
roles of opressor/opressed. This is not Equal Rights. This is what I believe,
and it's why I vote for Equal Rights. All people are equal in my eyes. When
some non-human sentient race finally contacts us, I will include them in
on the equality thing. Hell, if it's proved that dolphins and whales are
not mere animals but actually the other sentient race on this planet, then
equal rights covers them too. Until then I'll vote for Animal Rights as a
separate issue.

As for some religious crackpot who thinks the only way to their twisted
version of heaven is to acquire as much money as possible from honest but
gullible folk, I say THPTPTPTP with a long, wet tongue. OK, maybe it was
a juvenile thing to say, but I won't waste the lead and gunpowder on them.
My own kharma means more to me than that.

Vote Equal Rights for all. Get religion out of politics. No more of this
"My deity can beat up your deity" crap. I recently read a .sig file that
is appropriate here. "The more corrupt the government, the greater the
number of laws. -- Tacitus." Anyway, 'nuff said. I could go on for days about
the stupidity of the human race.

Bb,

Corun



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    Corun MacAnndra     |   How can you be in two places at once,
  Dark Horde by birth   |     When you're not anywhere at all?
    Moritu by choice    |                            Sybil
From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Bailing Out (rant) (was: Re: Freedom of Re
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:40:27 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

I like what you say, Janis, about the economy.  Another piece of the whole
picture may be connected with how wealth (not money) is created: one of the
easiest ways is to find something valuable that nobody has owned, claim it
and sell it or whatever you can make from it.  A lot of the prosperity that
my grandparents' generation saw had to do with claiming unclaimed natural
resources.  Those days are probably gone forever in North America now (and
folks on this net are more aware than most of the consequences of all that
turning of nature into property).  There aren't any other ways left of cre-
ating so much wealth so easily, at least not that I can see.  So the pie
is about as large as it's going to get, and more and more people need pieces
of pie.  Either we all get less; or some of us get the same or more, while
the rest get a lot less.  Eventually no one can afford to keep the basic
stuff (food distribution, sewage, water, roads, etc) functioning -- and
that's *before* we factor in the cost of repairing what has broken down
from age (like replumbing a whole city, when the 19th-century water
mains all wear out about the same time).  I'm simplifying, of course,
massively simplifying, and no one can foresee everything (so something
I've overlooked may alleviate parts of the whole problem), but the main
trend seems clear, and it goes downhill ...

So the religious right, or something equally totalitarian, may cause
a lot of suffering for a long time, but probably for less long than
one's worst nightmares suggest.  I doubt they have the intelligence
to solve the sort of problems we've been talking about here.  -- Robert
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: some favorite Bible verses
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:52:43 GMT

In article <199209012119.AA00769@intercon.com> 
amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker) writes:
>pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>> I think you forgot the smoking gun of Christianity, Luke 14:26.

>Oh, come now.  You can no doubt find an isolated passage in *any* sacred text 
>that taken out of context sounds like a "smoking gun."  Have you bothered to 
>read the surrounding text, though?  It's amazing how helpful that can be, 
>sometimes...
>Sigh.

Yes, and sometimes you can find passages where the context makes it even
worse or shall we just say somewhat uncomfortable to explain away. I
have by the way read the entire text of KJV and a great deal of JPS and
I find Luke 14:26 to be entirely in context, perhaps not quite what some
salespeople present. If you keep in mind that Yahweh is a warrior God
and Christianity represents a combination of Judaism, Greco/Roman and
Persian mythologies, it all fits nicely. Just watch out for those free
gifts. :::B^}
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: your survey garbage
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:03:24 GMT

amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker) writes:
: 
: > If you want to load my mailbox and try to run up an E-Mail bill, go ahead
: > and waste your time, I won't open your mail, I'll capture your ID, write
: > your system administrator (if that's you, the System Owner by snail mail),
: > and attempt to have your account terminated.  NIC has all the information
: > I need.
: 
: You highly overestimate your own importance.  Getting flamed because you 
: posted something idiotic is hardly grounds for complaint.  If anything, it's 
: a time-honored tradition.  The only thing, generally speaking, that can 
: result in someone losing access to Usenet is direct criminal action.  The NIC 
: couldn't care less.  Most sysadmins couldn't care less (and many would 
: actually laugh in your face).  Telling people how much you'll retaliate if 
: they keep flaming you amounts to, at best, masturbating in front of your 
: computer.  You could, of course, ask CompuServe to turn of Internet access 
: for your account.  That would keep your email bill under control...
: 
: Get a grip.

Heh! Heh! Glad you are back, Amanda. Succinct, as usual. 

I have a feeling the only reason this person, or persons, is/are posting
here is to create havoc. I am pretty much just ignoring their idiotic and/or
misdirected postings.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: Bailing Out (rant) (was: Re: Freedom of Re
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
	<2AA2C29B.21477@orion.oac.uci.edu> <17uhorINNhrp@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:05:06 GMT

In article <17uhorINNhrp@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> 
SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen) writes:
>I like what you say, Janis, about the economy.  Another piece of the whole
>picture may be connected with how wealth (not money) is created: one of the
>easiest ways is to find something valuable that nobody has owned, claim it
>and sell it or whatever you can make from it.  A lot of the prosperity that
>my grandparents' generation saw had to do with claiming unclaimed natural
>resources.  Those days are probably gone forever in North America now (and
>folks on this net are more aware than most of the consequences of all that
>turning of nature into property).  There aren't any other ways left of cre-
>ating so much wealth so easily, at least not that I can see.

There is still stuff to claim, it is called recycling, not unlike using
Roman artifacts after the fall of Rome. Falling empires produce tons of
junk, for use by the people later. See ya at the junk yard!
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Leaving the USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:31:00 GMT

There has been a thread where people have talked about leaving
this country if things get to bad.  Others have flamed about
this leaving.  Saying that they should stay and fight to make it
a better country.

CHOICE

It all comes down to choices.  Our religion thrives on it.  As in
our religion "All paths are but different paths to the same end".
One must choose the path which is CORRECT FOR THEM.  If that path
is to leave, then leave.  If that path is to stay, then stay.
You should never critize someone for their choices.  Right or wrong
it is theirs to make.  If they are wrong then they will learn from
it.  If it is right then they will learn from it also.

With all the intolerance out there against us, can't we try and be
a little more tolerant of each other.

Blessed Be,

Tammy
lib1p@jetson.uh.edu

From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:57:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Where it came from (was Re: Survey)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA