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From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Subject: Re: Deposit when buying a horse
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:13:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.185627.6634@cs.cornell.edu> marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.222914.7390@gvl.unisys.com> red@prc.unisys.com writes:
>>Once again, I turn to the collective wisdom of the net.  I realize it's
>>common practice to place a deposit on a horse if you're interested in buying,
>>but is this deposit usually refundable?  I'm in the process of selling my
>>Morgan mare, and I have several interested buyers.  I'd hate to lose a sale
>>while some prospective buyer has a deposit on her and then changes their mind.
>>
>>Please fill me in on common practice.  I'd like to be firm and state that
>>it is a non-refundable deposit, but I'd like to know how others have handled
>>it.
>>
>
>When a buyer put a deposit down on a horse, that
>deposit is entitling them to exclusive rights
>to buy the horse for a time specified.  The buyer must not sell to anyone
>else during that period of time.  Legally, the deposit is nonrefundable



I just noticed a typo that should be corrected:

    The SELLER must not sell to anyone else ...  


Sorry. 

   Dorothy
From: POBERMARCK@intellicorp.com (Phil Obermarck)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Natural-Ride?
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:13:18 GMT
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

Happy New Year Equestrians-

 Last month, while visiting our local tack store, I saw a "saddle" called
the "Natural-Ride".  It seems to be a heavy duty bareback pad with stirrups
and a "handle" that sits on the horse's withers, for stability.

 Looks like a fun and safe way to ride with a minimal saddle.

 I'd like to get the opinion of the net, before buying one.  Is it as
good as they say?  Is it comfortable?  For the horse?  Does the handle
arrangement prevent it from sliding under the belly like a bareback pad?

 Thanks -

        -Phil

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From: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: How Old is too Old?
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:59:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King) 

To: bchamber@vlin1.vsla.edu

BC | According to the Guiness Book of World Records 1989 the oldest horse
BC | lived 62 years and was a Cleveland Bay cross (i.e. "Cold
BC | Blood").  The oldest Thoroughbred lived to 42 years and died in
BC | 1978 in Australia.

Cleveland Bays are known for their slow maturation and long life.  Our 
CB stallion grew until he was seven.

steve.king@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Steve King)
                                                                
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Horse GIF Update (Part 2)
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 02:27:15 GMT



GIF UPDATE PART 2
-----------------

This is part 2 of the regular gif update. Part one contains more
gifs. Part 3 (next message) contains the instructions on how to
get the gifs.

There is a file called giflist.one available for ftp which lists
all the gifs currently avaialble. (There are now 75)

------------------- MORE IN THE OZARAB SERIES -----------------------

ozarab17.gif    -    On the beach
ozarab18.gif    -    "Hmmmmm, I wonder if I can eat that? ..."
ozarab19.gif    -    'Simply Irresistable'  is the girls name.
ozarab20.gif    -    Classic Egyptian.
ozarab21.gif    -    Nothing dull about this grey.
ozarab22.gif    -    Extended trot?  No problem!

---------------------------------------------------------------------

[][][][][]   See Part 3 For Instuctions on Getting The GIFs   [][][][][]


ENJOY!

 
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|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Another horse GIF service
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 05:27:42 GMT



G'day again,

I am currently working on the second GIF service that
I spoke about before christmas. This one is for those people
who are unable to use the anonymous ftp facility from their
site but would like to see all those horse gifs (currently 75)
that I have here.  This is how it will work:

I will, every now and then when time permits, send a gif or
two in uuencoded form to the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.misc

In order to use this service you will need;

To receive the above newsgroup at your site
To be able to use the uudecode facility
To be capable of storing a news item as a file and editing it

The process of successfully making a gif from a binary file is
very slightly complex and might seem a little daunting at first to 
those who have little experience with computers but the good
news is, once you've done it a couple of times nothing could be
simpler.

To describe it all in the simplest possible terms, this is how
you go about it. When a gif is uuencoded it ends up as a file
that looks like it is full of garbage characters. The file is
then usually spilt into two or more parts and then sent to the
newsgroup as a message, much like the one you're reading now.
When you look through the newsgroup you will see the usual header
on a message with all the strange character following. The 
subject of the message will be something like:
ozarab18.gif Woman with Arab Colt (1/2)
The  "(1/2)" bit means that there are two parts you need to get.
Obviously the next part will have "(2/2)"

You then save those messages to two files, edit out the bits
you don't need, concatenate them and uudecode them and, hey presto,
a nice shiny gif appears.

If you are interested in this service and would like to know more
about how you get these gifs and uudecode them, send me an e-mail
and I'll send you some more detailed directions.

graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au

I will make an announcement here in rec.equestrian whenever I send
a gif to alt.biaries.pictures.misc

Let me know if you think you might like to use this service.


-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: What should I do?
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:38:15 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 


I'm trying to decide what to do.  I leased out my old gelding last fall
to a person that I don't know at all.  She came highly recommended by
friends, I met her, we didn't hit it off very well personally (I found
her somewhat abrasive) but she assured me that she would take very good
care of old Tar so I let her take him home.  
I've checked on him several times since she took him in October and it
is becoming increasingly obvious she hasn't had his feet trimmed since
then.  He really needs regular farrier care, has one foot that has a
tendency to split and his toes grow longer than his heels, causing him
to trip easily.  Her own horse which is in the pasture with him has 
(also obviously) had regular farrier care.
There has never been anyone there when I stop by to check on Tar so I've
never been able to voice my concerns to her.  The last time I stopped by,
she was just leaving in her car.  I tried to signal her to stop and chat
with me but she just kept going. 
I'm just about at the point of hitching up the trailer and going to get
him.  I was assured he would get good care, and while he is in good
flesh, I am worried about his feet. 
I know if I go get him this person will throw a real fit and I want to
avoid a confrontation.  Would it be too unethical for me to just go get
him and bring him home, leaving a note as to why I took him?
I don't see any reason why I should have to *tell* this woman to get his
feet trimmed, after all, that's routine horse care.  And if she is neglecting
this, I have a bad feeling she will get really 'sniffy' with me if I 
remind her.

Sue  
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: clever@sequent.com (Cathy Cleverley)
Subject: Re: Trakehner decision
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:15:46 GMT

krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger) writes:

>I don't know much at all (translate to 'anything') about breeding.  So
>could someone please explain what 'cull' is???

>Thanks
>Kim K

from The Concise Oxford Dictionary:~

cull:  pick, select from flock etc and kill (surplus animals etc)~

in this case selecting your best horses to keep and selling the rest.
--
Cathy Cleverley                                 clever@sequent.com
Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.          +1 416 629-4000
"An expert is anyone more than 100 miles~
from home with a set of slides"
From: jackiec@mothra.rose.hp.com (Jackie Christopherson)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:50:25 GMT
Subject: horse move
Organization: HP Networked Computer Mfg. Operation
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

   


   My company is probably going to transfer me to Boise, Idaho.
   Anybody out there in that area? I'd like info on weather, land,
   anything that I can get regarding horse keep.  I'm currently in 
   Sacramento area where weather is kind of rank.

   jc
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rolex info wanted
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:30:25 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1993Jan4.171637.4958@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau) writes:
> Can someone give me the dates of this year's Rolex 3 Day
> Event in Lexington?

I also am interested in getting the dates, please post if anyone knows.

> Also, any recommendations for hotels, restaurants, etc.

Most of the major hotels/motels have sites in the Lexington area.  Anywhere
on I-75 is near the Rolex.


> When do you need to get reservations?

As soon as you know when the Rolex will be, most places book up pretty fast.

> Also, what is admission? Would children be interested (6 and 9 yrs)?

You can get tickets by the day or by the whole thing.  They were about six
or seven a day, I think.
As for the kids, the second day there is LOTS of walking since you need to
move around to the various jumps on the course to see everything.  Definitely
a good thing if the kids are horse-crazy, but very risky if they are not.
The museum and films are very interesting for the kids.

> Are there other things going on during this?
> 

There are booths of equipment and horsie items for sale, the museum and
films are open.

The Rolex is lots of fun but only if you are a horse person.  I went one
year with my sons, they were bored stiff.
I'll never take them again.


> thanks, 
> Lynn Pfau
> AT&T
> Naperville, Il.

Sue
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: What should I do?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 17:41:32 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1993Jan9.123815.6505@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>I'm trying to decide what to do.  I leased out my old gelding last fall
>I've checked on him several times since she took him in October and it
>is becoming increasingly obvious she hasn't had his feet trimmed since

>  Would it be too unethical for me to just go get
>him and bring him home, leaving a note as to why I took him?


You don't say what kind of contract you have with this lease
arrangement, if any.  One should ALWAYS have an explicit contract to
spell out what should happen in these cases, especially if you don't
know the person.

Failing that, you should write her a letter stating your concerns,
have it notarized, and have it delivered by registered mail to her.
The letter should state that if she does not reply by a certain date
chosen by you, that you will come to reclaim Tar, and cheerfully
refund any $$ you might owe her for taking him before the lease period
is over.

I wouldn't worry about hurting her feelings- she is taking advantage
of your kindness and may be hurting your horse.  He *is* YOUR horse!!

Note that I am not a lawyer.  I have been in small claims court for
various reasons on 4 separate occasions, including for sueing a person
who had half-leased my horse and never paid me for it.  I have won all
4 times.  I think you have a good case if it should come to that.
Keep copies and records of all action you take.

Good luck,
Sarah Pallas
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: loss of hair
Date: 8 Jan 1993 22:24:37 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

You could try using Showsheen or one of its cousins on the area that is
getting rubbed.  Another suggestion is to get the horse a sheet to wear
under the rug.  That way you can clean the sheet when it gets dirty, which
is much easier than cleaning a NZ rug in the dead of winter.  

Karen
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: ACK! RAIN ROT!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:17:59 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1ifpg6INNbo1@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
> Just wanted to say THANKS to everyone who responded with great
> advice for my poor infected beast. 100% concurrence said: "rain
> rot," and to wash with some type of iodine shampoo and then apply
> anti-fungal ointment. Many also said to wash the blanket as much as
> possible (rinsing twice), and take it off to "breathe" whenever
> the weather was warm enough.
> 
> Again, thank you thank you thank you. Soon, hopefully, the oozing
> disgusting sores will be replaced by shiny brown hair (probably
> sometime around July).
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> =gwyn

One more thing, Gwyn.  Use Clorox bleach in the water when you wash the
blanket.  My vet says it's a must to kill the fungus in the fabric.

Sue
From: mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines)
Subject: Re: Help! My horse won't drink!!
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:15:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.144448.1192@mala.bc.ca>, bigrasl@mala.bc.ca writes:
|> HELP!!! My horse is drinking hardley any water.  We have had 1 1/2 feet of snow
|> for the past 10 days.  The last three days my horse's water consumption has
|> dropped to 1/4 of what she normally drinks at night.  Last night I gave her a
|> bran mash with salt, oats, carrots etc. in hopes to get her consumption up and
|> she still only drnk 1/4 of a bucket.  I have tried giving her warmer water but
|> but the time she thinks about drinking it has gone cold.  I've also tried
|> putting  an apple in her water bucket to  tempt her to drink but she just
|> knocks over the water bucket to get to the apple.  I have been thinking of
|> adding beet pulp and alfalfa cubes to her rations so that she will be getting
|> some water but I am afraid this will not be enough. 
|> I have to be careful about adding things to her water because she is very fussy 
|> and will not drink strange smelling water. 
|> Any suggestions?
|> 	Lydia & Oriah Dawn
|> 
|> 

I think you're making her nervous.  :^)  Seriously, I wouldn't worry too much.
My four go through phases of draining the buckets in less than a couple of
hours, to drinking only 1/4 of a bucket in 24 hours.  The one thing I will
do in winter, when the water in the buckets has a film of ice on it,
is carry hot tap water from the house.  I usually put one bucket of hot
tap water in each water bucket, then go about my usual feeding, then
add water from the barn spigot to finish filling the buckets.  Honestly, 
I don't know if it increases the horses' water consumption, but it does make 
me feel better. If I remember right, horses supposedly won't drink water 
if it is too hot or too cold (think this was in an Equus and it listed the 
temperatures), but then again, if they're thirsty enough, they'll drink.

This may just be a case of "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot
make him drink."

Mary Lee
Ravenswood Apps





Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: joi@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (JMM)
Subject: Re: Transporting my 4-legged friends
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:45:40 GMT

I used Nationwide Horse Transport out of Colorado Springs to get my
gelding here from western Illinois.  They took exceptionally good care of
him and he arrived in good order.  The only complaint I have is that they
picked him up at my sister-in-law's at 1:00 a.m. and delivered him to
me at 4:00 a.m.  I didn't realize that I had the option to say "nope.
deliver him after 7:00 a.m."  Next time I'll know (if there is a next time),
but I was otherwise very satisfied with them, price included.

	Joy Metcalf
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Deposit when buying a horse
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:31:34 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Rebecca Davis (red@prc.unisys.com) wrote:
: Once again, I turn to the collective wisdom of the net.  I realize it's
: common practice to place a deposit on a horse if you're interested in buying,
: but is this deposit usually refundable?  I'm in the process of selling my
: Morgan mare, and I have several interested buyers.  I'd hate to lose a sale
: while some prospective buyer has a deposit on her and then changes their mind.

: Please fill me in on common practice.  I'd like to be firm and state that
: it is a non-refundable deposit, but I'd like to know how others have handled
: it.

It depends on why the buyer changes his/her mind.  If the horse fails the
vet, then it should be refunded.  If the buyer simply changes his/her
mind, then it shouldn't be.  Make sure that the deposit and conditions of
such are clearly spelled out in the sales contract.  Also, it you are
going to let the horse go on a trial basis, you should specify terms for
care, health, responsibilty for transport, etc.  I've known people to have
a problem in getting the horse back physically after a buyer changed his
mind and the seller didn't own a trailer.  "You want him back?  Come get him."

It is not unreasonable to take a conditionally non-refundable deposit. 
This way you can cover the horse's expenses and advertising if the sale
falls through for reasons other that those specified in the contract.

Karen
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: [Phil Obermarck:  Natural-Ride?]
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:48:28 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <1ickc3INNd17@nigel.msen.com>, dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) writes:
|> 
|> With a saddle, the horse's withers and the tree of the saddle prevent this
                                              ^^^^
|> type of sliding.  Even then a low withered horse can have problems.  
|> 
|> A bareback pad is good for protecting the rider's clothing and for padding
|> the horse's back.  The are not truly designed to replace a saddle,
|> especially with regard to stirrups.
|> 
|> Karen

A Natural-Rider DOES have a saddle tree, therefore, it helps to eliminate
slipping.

***************************************************
	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
***************************************************
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horse vacuums
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:27:37 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: tara@wam.umd.edu's message of 1 Jan 93 21:11:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.211120.15789@wam.umd.edu> tara@wam.umd.edu (Tara) writes:

   A friend of mine who boards on the same farm as UMEA wanted me to ask
   about horse vacuums....ya know, the type seen in ads of Equus/Practical
   Horseman/Horse & Rider, etc

   What he wanted to know was...
	   *How well do they work?
	   *Are they quiet enough/if the horse is used to clippers will they
	   have no problem with the vacuum?
	   *What brand names are recommended?
	   *How are they different from a _Dirt Devil_ vacuum (ie they look
	   the same...how does the "professional" vacuum become preferred)?
	   *Any other related stuff.....

   tara@wam.umd.edu       

I have an older model of one of the small horse vacuums (hand-held,
small dust bag, whirling brush at its snout, approx $100), ostensibly
from Farnam, but it's the Royal horse vac under the Farnam label.  I
consider the thing to be useless, i.e. at the time of year that I need
to vac the dirt out of my equines (donkey and Fjords), their fur is
long enough that the little vac just can't get down to their hides!
It might be OK for a sleek (or clipped) horse that is lightly dusty,
but it just can't handle a down-and-dirty, pasture-hairy horse.  When
I really need to get one of mine clean, I take the critter into the
garage and use the shop vac on it!  They view the noise (and the
motion of the hose, which "jumps" around some as I make and break
suction with it) with some suspicion at first, but learn to tolerate
it.

Hint---if the weather is particularly dry, the plastic hose on a vac
will generate enough static electricity that you will shock the horse
with your free hand whenever you touch it.  Either keep hands off the
horse, so you don't complete the "circuit", or keep one hand FIRMLY
pressed into the horse (I usually keep hold of the crest of the neck),
so that the difference in static "voltage" can't build up between you.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: It's nice to be back.
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 03:42:33 GMT


G'day all,

I'm back from my holidays unfortunately. Spent lots of time
riding and relaxing.

A happy 93 to all of you!

There are a couple of things happening with the GIFs that 
are available. The next gif update you see will be in a different
format. Also, somebody is working on an animated or movie version
of the gifs so as soon as a few details are worked out with that
they will, hopefully, become available sometime soon. Some of
you may remember that I was thinking of providing a service where
you could sent me your favourite horse photo and I'd scan it and
put it in my anonymous FTP area. Well, it looks like I might go
ahead with that so keep your eyes on rec.equestrian for an
announcement in the near future.

The following request is directed at any New Zealand readers
out there.

My instructor is going there for the first two weeks in February.
She'd like to know if there are any reasonably large horse events,
particularly dressage, happening there during that time. If there
are any jumping or eventing things happening she would be interested 
in hearing about them too.

Thanks in advance.

Stay tuned for further GIF announcements.


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|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |