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From: kieuthu@pdx.csd.mot.com (Kieu-Thu Nguyen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: new version of Cinderella
Keywords: kids book
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:20:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxvme.1298
Distribution: usa
Organization: Motorola CSD, Beaverton, OR

Hi,

About two months ago, someone posted the name of a book about the
modern version of Cinderella, I think that Cinderella actually
has a job, etc.  I wrote it down somewhere, now I can't find it.
I want to get that book for my 5.5 years old girl.
You netters out there: help! what's the name of the book?

Thanks so much,
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Child's Education
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:39:45 GMT

In article <21489@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>jlt>
>
>M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk) writes:
>
>|>  Aggressive mutual funds (such as 20th Century Ultra, no plug intended here,
>|> just an example) are really ideal for long-term investing - I think of 18
>|> years as long-term investing.

  I don't have the stomach for Ultra.  It's beta is too high for me!
>
>Absolutely.  With savings bonds, you aren't likely to do much better
>than inflation.  While they're perfectly safe, they're not going to
>compound at the same kind of rates that stocks historically have.
>There are several no-load mutual funds that you can start and have
>money regularly moved from your checking account.  Vanguard and
>Financial Funds are highly rated by Money Magazine.  (Vanguard has a
>pretty high initial investment for most funds.  Financial Fund's
>initial investment is $250.)
>
>|>   Diversification and all that good investment advice you read apply to
>|> the task of saving for a child's college tuition.  Most important of all,
>|> and absolutely the hardest for me, is to save REGULARLY (every week
>|> or month). 
>
>The more automated this process is, the easier it is to save.  Set up
>the account so that money is automatically deposited, but you have to
>go to a bank and get a signature guarantee to take it out.  You want
>it to be _difficult_ to withdraw, since you dont' want to touch it for
>years.
>
>--Beth Weiss
>bweiss@cs.arizona.edu


  Twentieth Century has a College Savings Plan using their
  20th Century Select fund.  They set it up so that 4, 5, or
  6 years before college, they start automatically rebalancing
  your account from Select to Cash Reserves.  So that by
  the time your child is entering college, all the money is
  in Cash Reserves.  However for most of the time, it is
  in Select.  This rebalancing is to reduce risk by shifting
  a percentage of money from Select (stock fund) to Cash
  Reserves (Money Market).

  Anyway they also have an automatic monthly withdrawal plan
  where they draft your checking account.  Soon after Tony
  was born I set up one of these accounts for him and every
  month they take the money (and I don't see the money at
  all).  There is no minimum initial investment, I think.
  I think you can start by just sending in an application
  and the amount you want withdrawn monthly.  (But I'm
  not sure, you should check the prospectus).
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Child's Education
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:29:22 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

jlt>
|> >I recommend US Savings Bonds.  They are a safe long term investment (as
|> >safe as US currency) and if you make them out in the children's names and
|> >keep them in a safe, the children get a big kick out of seeing their very
|> >own money. 

M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk) writes:
|>   If you make them out in your own name, you get some sort of tax break
|> when you use them for tuition when the kids are in college.  But they must
|> be in your own name and this benefit applies to recent bonds (after
|> 1989?).

There's also an income cap.  Personally, I plan on making too much
money to qualify for this one.

|>  Aggressive mutual funds (such as 20th Century Ultra, no plug intended here,
|> just an example) are really ideal for long-term investing - I think of 18
|> years as long-term investing.

Absolutely.  With savings bonds, you aren't likely to do much better
than inflation.  While they're perfectly safe, they're not going to
compound at the same kind of rates that stocks historically have.
There are several no-load mutual funds that you can start and have
money regularly moved from your checking account.  Vanguard and
Financial Funds are highly rated by Money Magazine.  (Vanguard has a
pretty high initial investment for most funds.  Financial Fund's
initial investment is $250.)

|>   Diversification and all that good investment advice you read apply to
|> the task of saving for a child's college tuition.  Most important of all,
|> and absolutely the hardest for me, is to save REGULARLY (every week
|> or month). 

The more automated this process is, the easier it is to save.  Set up
the account so that money is automatically deposited, but you have to
go to a bank and get a signature guarantee to take it out.  You want
it to be _difficult_ to withdraw, since you dont' want to touch it for
years.

--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Subject: Baby's Last Name
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:34:00 GMT


Okay, okay, I think I've gotten enough conflicting responses on this subject
to thoroughly confuse me! (My original post is at the end of this post if you
aren't familiar with it.) Thank you to everyone who responded!

Summary:
I heard from a lot of women who have different names than their husbands, and
whose children have the husbands name, but are on her insurance. The general
consensus among those that thought my baby can have it's father's name was
that it doesn't matter because my name will be on the birth certificate and
the insurance only cares that the baby is a dependent.

Those that believe that I do have to give the baby my name generally felt that
changing the name at the time of our marriage would be similar to an adoption
procedure.

BUT...it comes down to this: the truth is dictated by STATE law so I need to call
the insurance co. and/or a lawyer.

I have another question resulting from this. In the case that my boyfriend and
I don't stay together but the baby has been given his surname, one person (Lynette
Atwood) said that it might be easier for me to collect child support but another
(Mike Nelson) said it might be easier for him to get custody. Yikes! Anyone know
anything about this or have opinions?

-Jen


Original post:

>Well, I'm pretty new to this group and nobody knows anything about
>me so I think I'll start with a brief introduction of myself (also
>relevent to my question, coming up...)
>
>My name is Jennifer Gelhaus, I'm nineteen, a sophomore in college,
>single but living with my boyfriend, and due on November 14. Yes,
>mine was an unplanned pregnancy... but PLEASE note that I say 
>"unplanned" not "unwanted" as there is a HUGE difference. (BTW, 
>I'm sure you're all familiar with the typical college student's
>budget so I'm always open to money-saving suggestions!!!)
>Anyway, on to the point of this post...
>
>My boyfriend and I plan to marry "someday" (probably after school)
>so I wanted to give the baby his last name. However, I've heard 
>that because I'm still going to be a "single mother" and the baby
>will be on my insurance (well, my father's actually), that it has
>to have my last name. Is this true? And if so, how much trouble/$
>will it involve to get it changed when we get married?
>
>(BTW- I don't want to start a debate about "it's the 90's so there's
>no reason it has to have the father's name...," that's just what
>we prefer.)
>
>TIA for ANY info on this at all!
>
>-Jen

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Car seats
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:51:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.205744.26177@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>Here's my contribution to the car seat FAQ.
>
>Models that we tried:
>
>Shield types
>  Century 2000: (doesn't fit her well + she keeps chewing on the plastic shield)

The nice thing about this one (which fits my son very well and he never
chewed on the shield) is that it costs $25 from USAA.  Most insurance
companies offer car seats at a discount if you order them.  Check with
yours.  It can be a big savings.

I'd go to a store which has plenty to choose from and try them out.  If
your insurance company offers a discount, then you should factor that in.

We have two of the Century seats and one infant seat (the kind with the
carrier that pops out).  Pretty soon we'll need to get a booster-type
car seat for Brian.

Jennifer
From: sudha@pollux.usc.edu (Sudha Kumar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Vegetarian Lunch - Suggestions?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 11:43:57 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


Hi,

We are vegetarians (No Meat, fish or Chicken).  Milk and milk products O.K.
but not until Anu is 1 year old.  She is now 11 months.

At the daycare they do provide meals but 3 days of the week I will have to
substitute the turkey, hotdogs and whatever which Anu cannot have.

Since I cannot give her any milk products, I am at my wits end and
have run out of creative ideas.

Any thing with Tofu?

I need ideas for good nutritious lunches a 11 month old can have (no longer
on baby food).  Any suggestions?  Right now, one of Anu's favourite is:




1/4 cup Rice
1/4 cup Lentils
Assorted Mixed Vegetables (green beans, pumpkin, potato, zucchini,
                          carrots or anything that is available)
2 leaves Spinach

1/4 tsp Ajwain (for those of you who know what that is, if not leave
it out.  I believe that it helps in digestion and belongs to the cumin family)

Add water and pressure cook till the rice and lentils are soft.


Sudha Kumar











Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: More on my rear-facing seat problem
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:01:16 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Aug28.153033.26989@cbnews.cb.att.com>, klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr) writes:
....
> It was only in replying to someone that I realize that I left out a vital
> piece of information.  A locking clip WILL NOT work.  Why?  The automatic
> seat belt is only on the shoulder belt portion.  The lap belt is separate
> and manual.

I'm not 100% we're talking about the same thing, but our new car (a
Mazda 626) has a manual lap belt and a shoulder strap that moves into
position when the engine is started, and retracts when the door is
opened.  The instruction manual gives specific instructions on how
to use *two* clips to secure a child seat in the front.

I'd try to explain it, but (a) my wife has that car, and she's not home
now, and (b) I'm not sure I can explain it without pictures anyway.
But if there's enough demand, I'll try.  Or bug a friendly neighbor with
a Mazda...
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Cute things they say (2.5 years)
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:22:56 GMT

On Friday we are moving to a bigger house. It is the house my mother
is living in (we are swapping). Jeffrey has a bedroom at her house, but
when we move, he is getting a bigger room, and his current room will be
the nursery. He knows that when we move he will get the "blue room" and
is very excited about that. It dawned on me he may not realize he was
giving up the other room, so the other day we had this conversation:

Me: When we move to grandma's house you will have the blue room.
Jeffrey: yes!
M: You know that you wont have the little room anymore, dont you?
J: I will have both!
M: No, just the blue room. The little room is going to have lots of
   stuff in it, and no one is going to go in it. Later a baby is going
   to use the room. Is that OK?
J: Yes, and when the baby comes, he will say "WHAT A MESS!!!"

Laura Floom





Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Mastitius (sp?) cures & stimulating let-down
Organization: Texas Instruments
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:07:13 GMT

Well, I have one suggestion.  Give up on the wine & eat food 
with garlic.  A recent study (& sorry I don't have references)
suggested that babies do *not* like the taste of alcohol and
will suck less.  However, a slight presence of garlic makes
them suck longer (& eat more).

Elise.

In article <1992Aug26.132924.1038@crd.ge.com> millerj@belize.crd.ge.com () writes:
>
[ ... ]
>	The doctor said that she probably wasn't getting a good let down
>and she should try to stimulate that.  The only things I could
>remember to tell her to help was relaxing, drinking warm fluids,
>drinking a little wine, hot compresses, and massage.
>	Is there anything else she can do?  She's really getting upset,
>which probably isn't helping, and frustrated about the whole thing.
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>Julia


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kfreytag@mdtf11.fnal.gov (Kelley Trombly-Freytag)
Subject: Birth Announcement
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:26:44 GMT

Announcing the arrival of :

     Rebecca Lynn Trombly-Freytag
     July 24, 1992
     7lb 13oz  20 inches

Birth story to follow someday (I haven't sent birth announcements yet.
I haven't sent thank yous for the shower a month before she was born.
(We moved 6 weeks before she was born)).

-- 
Kelley Trombly-Freytag
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potty Training a 3.6 year old
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:43:30 GMT

In article <66924@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ad4@prism.gatech.EDU (Angela Dubose) writes:
> I had loads of advice about not letting her drink anything after
> 6:00 p.m. etc. to help her

It's worth mentioning that the book ``Toilet Learning'' strongly recommends
against this philosophy.  The point of the exercise is not to have the
child be dry on a given night; rather, one wants to teach the child to
recognize, even when asleep, the feeling of a full bladder.

Your philosophy may vary...
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer)
Subject: Re: Sushi during pregnancy - is it bad?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:30:43 GMT

susanh@ossi.com (Susan Hunts) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.172722.17885@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>>
>>But continuing to eat sushi would be like playing 
>>Russian Roulette with your baby's health.

>I find this statement so extreme as to be ludicrous.  In Japan, pregnant
>women are not warned away from the consumption of raw fish and there
>does not appear to be any problem.  (And while I wouldn't suggest any 
>causal link, the statistics for birth of healthy babies in Japan are
>far better than the U.S.)

>Although I haven't any statistics, I'd guess that if one were concerned
>about salmonella (which diane mentioned), avoiding chicken would be
>indicated.  But I haven't read that recommendation anywhere.  I suspect
>that the recommendations one reads in some books against raw fish
>reflect a biased filtering of possible dangers done to a printable quantity.

I don't know about raw fish, but according to studies done involving 
Eskimo  populations, fish oil is supposed to lengthen pregnancy by one to
two weeks and reduce the probability of miscarriage.  The latest study 
I saw (Science News within the last two  months) recommended a high 
intake of fish for pregnant women.  The omega3 fatty acids are apparently
very good things.  

Steve Kellmeyer
From: mks@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Mark Sanders)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Children and Pitbulls
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:37:30 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Grass Valley Group

In article <1992Aug27.191718.8030@informix.com>, alison@husky.informix
(Alison Suggs) wrote:
> 
> 
> No need to panic even with purebred pit bulls.  ANY dog, including the cute,
> fluffy cocker spaniel down the street, can be dangerous, and ANY dog, including
> the 120-lb rottweiler, can be perfectly safe with children.  There is no
> foundation to breed-specific fears. 
> 
> You should be much more concerned about how the dog has been raised and is
> cared for now.  While some bad-tempered dogs are born that way (usually
> due to lousy breeding - look for this in overbred breeds like poodles 
> and cockers)  most bad-tempered dogs are MADE BY THEIR OWNERS.  Poor 

My Parents-in-law raise German Shepherds for a living.  When they have a
new litter, they invite us, or other families with youngsters to 'visit
the puppies'.  If any dog doesn't act 'puppy-like', it is branded with a
ribbon around its neck.  If the nonsocial behavior continues, they put
the dog down.  Many breeders take great pains (and loss of revenue) to
weed out the mean strain.  A well bred dog can be a great asset to a
family. Our first shepherd, Cat Ballou, once saved me from a pack of
domesticated dogs (yes, your sweet mutt might be a killer at heart when
running with a pack!).  She was nearly 15 years, but she got up and 
knocked out the lead mongrel.  I was truely scared, but thankful. Our
dogs have never looked twice at a child or woman, but can scare the heck
out of male strangers (though they never bite).  
   My In-laws unsold dogs are donated to Guidedogs for the Blind.  A well-
bred, well-trained dog can be a great friend and protector (especially
from other dogs) for the whole family.  From my experience, females are
the most protective, especially of children.  A good dog is better
than a fence.

Mark Sanders
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Feeling inadequate (Re: Baby Cries in Carseat)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 18:10:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.170743.9058@mdd.comm.mot.com> nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson) writes:
>In article <21488@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>...
>>
>>My mother says things like this all the time.  According to her
>>memory, she was never morning sick, didn't have any tiredness through
>>her entire pregnancy, all four of her children (the largest was 8lbs
>>at birth) slept through the night at two weeks, rolled over by 6
>>weeks, we all walked early.
>...
>>
>>If Mom were accurately remembering, I might be worried that she knows
>>more than the books I read.  However, her memory and my father's don't
>>match.  He doesn't recall us sleeping through so early.  He swears I
>>didn't walk until 12-14 months, not the 9-10 my mother recalls.  
>>--Beth Weiss
>>bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
>
>OK parents, So we do not fall into the same trap as our parents,
>remembering what really happened, why don't we write things
>down when they happen.
>
>I been trying but am only partialy successfull. About once a month
>I'll write down the stuff I can remember happening. I feel I should
>do it about once per week.
>
>I personnally walked by 10 months, talked by 13 months, was potty
>trained just after talking, was never a problem and only
>ever had one temper tantrum.
>My mom told me. 8-)
>
>Mike N.
>
  I personally don't think my mom remembers the bad things.
  She looks back at our baby pictures and reminiscences about
  when we were babies (4 of us, 1 year apart for the first 3),
  and swears that we all were great sleepers, nothing woke us,
  that we toilet trained ourselves, that we hardly ever threw
  tantrums and talked before 1 year (in complete sentences).

  Whenever I ask her a specific question, like "how did you
  do this?"  She says, "Oh you guys were so easy, you did it
  yourselves."  She was never morning sick, had easy labor
  and deliveries and lost all her pregnancy-related weight
  (except for the last one).  I don't think she's saying this
  to be one-up on me, but that seriously she doesn't remember.
  I know my memory is worse these days than before I was
  a parent, and I think with 3 monsters under 3 years old
  at a time, she really does not remember, and didn't have
  the time to write things down for posterity!
From: kerry@seaspray.welly.gen.nz (Kerry Dalley)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Are Fetal Heart Monitors needed??
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 18:53:48 PDT
Organization: Who me??? Organised?....Never!!!  Wellington, New Zealand.

millman@ursa.UUCP (Phillip Millman) writes:

> 
> My wife and I are  in disagreement about the need of a fetal heart monitor
> during labor.
> 
> My Wife's Opinion:
> 	They are totally uneccessary except for maybe .01 % on the babies
> being born.  If the babies heart shoul flutter even for a second, the 
> quacks (doctors) will do a C-section which they want to do anyway (because,
>  no screaming mothers, nervious fathers, fatter fees, and etc.)
> 
> My Opinion:
> 	G-d forbid we are the .01%
> 
> Any experiences that can help us through this delima ??
> 
> Phillip Millman
> millman@bear.com


I think that the baby's hear rate definitely needs to be monitored during 
birth....This is accomplished using the doppler type monitors.  If there are 
any worries about the baby's heartrate, why no use the monitor then?  
 

Good midwifery should pick up any problems with the baby's heartrate etc 
, and then the more involved technology can be used...
 

Just remember....something like 92% of births are NORMAL :-)
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nudity in an Unsafe Toddler
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:35:54 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

ssmith@xocolatl.com (Shannon Smith) writes:

>Unsafe because he isn't yet completely potty trained.

I'll have to admit it -- that subject line caught my eye!  Anyway, as
you probably noticed, letting them go naked is the easiest way of
getting them potty trained.  They see what happens right away.  Try
getting several potty seats and put them around the house so when he
needs to go he won't have to drop what he's doing and run off to the
bathroom -- it will be right there.

And no, once they learn to undress, there;s no way to keep their clothes
on.  You could try difficult clothes like overalls, but that makes the
whole business of potty training impossible.  But take heart  -- both my
little nudists potty trained themselves before they were two, just
from running around naked!

		--  maggie
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Thomas the Tank Engine
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:20:43 GMT


Hello there out in misc.kidsdom...

Are any of your kids into Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends?  My 3YO
just LOVES Thomas and Percy and Gordon and James and Mavis and Toby
and Henry and Edward and Henrietta and Annie and Clarabel and.....

He has the die-cast metal versions in two sizes of some of the figures,
but we have heard that Mavis isn't going to be made into a figure because
she is only in the US version of the videos.  Is that true?

BTW, we have all 6 videotapes and will be purchasing the 7th as soon as
it's available this month.

Yes, Shining Time Station has eclipsed both Sesame Street and Mister Rogers
as his favorite show!

Jennifer

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