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From: Candi.Uhelsky@f32.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Candi Uhelsky)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Survey re: networking
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 15:39:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:272/32 - Acorn I BBS, Marlboro NY

LP>Hello.  We have received a grant from our board to install a computer lab in
LP>our school, Grades 7 - 12 (12-18 yr olds)  I am considering a network but wo
LP>like to get some indication of what others are using, and some of the pros a
LP>cons.  Some specific questions I have are:


Lawrence,
        I am a computer Teachers Assistant in an upstate New York High
        School.  I saw you message and asked our school districts
        network specialist your questions.  Here are his answers:


LP>Macintosh vs IBM or copy
As far as ease of networking he would go with IBM clones.  Whatever
software you wanted to use would ultimately determine which mahine you
finally went with.

LP>Novell, LANtastic, LANschool, Appletalk,etc.
He suggests that you use Novell 311.  If you decided to go with the MAC
you should use ethernet to connect them.  This is the best system to
obtain the maximum speed for a Mac network.  Mac networks are much
slower than clones and need all the help they can get.

LP>Peer to Peer vs Dedicated server
He reccommends a dedicated server. A dedicated server allows the sysop
to grant access as he sees fit.  Much more control over a dedicated
server than peer to peer.

LP>Average time spent in maintenance of network
Using Novell 311 on a token ring network with a dedicated server the
necessary maintenance is about two hours per week.

LP>Windows with networks, yes or no?
LP>286/386/486 workstations?
As far as windows with networks there is no problem as long as you have
the proper workstations to support windows.  You would have to invest in
386 workstations to support windows.  286 workstations will do windows
but just too slow to be effective.

Here are a few prices from this neck of the woods.  You didn't mention
how much your grant was for. These are in the clone market.
 A networkserver.............approx. 3 to 4 thousand dollars this is
 with 8meg of RAM memory on the mother board, 300meg SCSI hard drive and
 local bus feed to the hard drive.
 Each 386 workstation....................approx. $1,500.00
A MAU to connect the workstations to the server........$600.00 per 8
stations.
Novell 311 software.........................approx. $4000.00

We have many networks in our school district. (too many to name)
Throughout our district we have. IBMnetworks, Apple IIGS networks, Mac
LC networks not only for instructional use but also for administrative
and libraries.  This gentleman designs and maintains them all.

I hope this can be of some help to you.  If you have any other questions
let me know and I'll go back and pick his brain some more.

  OLX 2.2  --T-A+G-L-I+N-E--+M-E-A+S-U-R+I-N-G+--G-A+U-G-E--



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From: pjones@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Phil M. Jones)
Subject: Re: Survey re: networking
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 02:08:09 GMT

Dear Sir:

You find it much easier going if you use Macintoshes on a
Network. In the IBM scene NOVELL is the only way to go to have
a decent network. However; its extremely complicated to setup
and keep running.

On the other hand in the Macintosh realm you have the choice of
Appletalk , Ethernet, and others. You can use Appletalk or
Phonenet connectors and wiring. If you use PhonNet connectors
then you just have your complex wired like ou were running
Phone outlets and simply plug in. Of course you must use
terminators at various points but you typically can get through
that easily.

Phil M. Jones, CET
pjones@rvgs.vak12ed.edu
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Kids & Komputers :-)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:57:27 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: skorpio.usask.ca

In article <40412.2B5FAA85@puddle.fidonet.org>, David.Rahfeldt@f29.n105.z1.fidonet.org (David Rahfeldt) writes:
|> I agree!
|> 
|> Maybe we should put together a kids educational software consortium to write
|>  stuff that has good graphics and also is good education...

Maybe we can put together a consortium of kids. Or is that against the
child labor laws? I know. We won't pay them. We won't pay Hilary Clinton
either.

-- 

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca

What rolls down stairs alone or in pairs            This has been brought to 
Rolls over your neighbor's dog?                     you by the numbers 4
What's great for a snack and fits on your back?     and 9 and the letter P.
It's Log, Log, Log!  -- "The Log Song", from            -- Big Bird
                         Ren & Stimpy

Math is tough!       -- Barbie
From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Re: Positive effect Computers have had on Education
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:49:58 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: skorpio.usask.ca

Computers are mysterious machines. They give people an example of
human achievement and can inspire people to reach for more. Have you
ever wondered how a computer really works? Have you ever wondered
why a collection of particles can behave in such an orderly manner?

Computers make people ask questions.

Computers make work easier. People feel that everything can be done on
a computer. They feel motivated to learn the beast and harness it.

A Computer can have a negative effect too. It provides a distracting
source of prolonged study. Everything has to be done on the computer.
But people get more interested in ends as opposed to means. The simple
software packages make ends pop up a lot quicker than ever before. Then
students get more interested in finishing the work like their fellow robot
classmates and going for summer vacation. There should be an incentive
to create and understand. The students should feel the challenge to
write their own algorithms.

Some people have a hard time understanding computers. I've met a few,
and some are fortunate people indeed. But I've met others who have the
hardest time explaining computers. A computer is a status symbol. You're
nothing if you don't understand.

Computers are so neat that we have generated a whole (bleep)*load of
information. Students are forced to believe tons of facts without explanation,
motivation, interest, etc. It goes by too fast. They need to be given
the chance to attack the new knowledge from first principles. The teacher
must be careful to leave no stone unturned lest the students graduate
half baked.

* Censored. To protect minds that are easily damaged certain phrases are
replaced with (bleep).

-- 

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca

What rolls down stairs alone or in pairs            This has been brought to 
Rolls over your neighbor's dog?                     you by the numbers 4
What's great for a snack and fits on your back?     and 9 and the letter P.
It's Log, Log, Log!  -- "The Log Song", from            -- Big Bird
                         Ren & Stimpy

Math is tough!       -- Barbie
From: Iain.Macpherson@f405.n622.z3.fidonet.org (Iain Macpherson)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Computer Technology Aide
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 21:01:24 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 3:622/405

What a lovely title!

Sounds like an interesting and helpful sort of job.

We have several part-time aides at our school but  they aren't really trained well - they tend to be older staid women with little ambition to learn the computer side of things. I could certainly use some help but they mainly score integration and printing work in other areas of the school. I give up about 15-20 hours of home-time to go back to school nights to catch up on computer maintenance and preparation.

Wanna work in Australia?


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From: Ken.Schlender@p0.f45.n342.z1.fidonet.org (Ken Schlender)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Second drive
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 06:41:13 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:342/45.0 - SPQR, Edmonton AB

5
 > Last weekend I took my computer over to a friends
 > house who is very knowledgable with computers.  We
 > decided to install a second hard drive into my
 > machine.  We got the new drive formated and working
 > just as fine as can be.  Seems everyone thing was
 > going too good.  Problem came when we installed and
 > connected both drives.  When we booted the machine we
 > got a "system disk error" message and could not
 > figuare out why.  If we disconnected drive D then it
 > booted fine, when we made drive D the master drive, it
 > also booted fine.
There will be a hard switch on the drive that marks it as master or slave.  One has to be master and others are slave disks > The original is a Conners and the > new one is a MaxStor.  We followed directions, > including the jumpers, and remapped all of our steps. > But the crazy thing is that when I boot the machine, > with both dives connected, and I get the error, all I > have to do is to hit a key a few times and then it > continues to boot.  After that everything is normal. > I can access both drives 




and do anything that I want. > I know that the error message means that the computer > can't locate DOS but why after hitting a few keys it > finds it.

Is the Dos directory in the Path statement?




 # GateOrigin: 89:701/200@imex.org


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From: Laurel.ODonnell@f109.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Laurel ODonnell)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.comp.literacy
Subject: Effects Computers Have Had
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:17:42 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/109 - Pioneer Valley PCUG, Amherst MA

The September 1992 issue of MacWorld has 4-5 articles having to do with effects of computer technology.  While much is criticism,there is also positive impact cited, if I recall correctly.  It also speaks of technological use more in a generic sense rather that the Mac vs. IBM.  Hope it may be helpful.


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From: Steven.Meunier@f2.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steven Meunier)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.art
Subject: Re: Comics
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:35:50 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/2 - Father Mercredi Hig, Ft McMurray AB

Hello 
        I'm Steven Meunier from Fort McMurray Alberta, too.
I saw your message on the K12net and am intersested in this venture.  Is any original art work, are characters sent in now property of your newsletter?
If possible I'd like a copy of your newsletter to see.  Way up here in the north there is little organized comic collectors.  At the moment I'm busy doing characters for Erik Larsan's Savage Dragon's Contest.  I've some ideas and characters that don't fit in too the type of comic savage dragon is and I'd like a chance to show them elsewhere.

        I'd be looking forward to any reply from you but as a favor for a moment can you send your messages to a 'Richard Marchand' over this net because at I have not aquired a modem as yet for my Amiga.

        I'll be leaving know and look forward to further respondance.



My Address

Steven Meunier
17 May Cresc.
Fort McMurray, AB
T9H 1J8
Canada


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From: Jane.Whitten@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Jane Whitten)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.art
Subject: Re: STIJL, CLIFFORD AND AMASO
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:49:00 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

HI! I LOGGED on yesterday to say a bit about CLYFFORD STILL(thats how he 
spells his name.) (spelled his name). He was one of the New york group in the 
50's, with Motherwell and that bunch. how soon do you need the info? I think 
that I have an Hour long video about that whole group in Newyork, hosted by 
Robert Motherwell. I also found 2 postcards in my collection whhich are 
paintings of stills. He worked large (7ft. x 5ft) as did so many of the New 
york bunch. 
I was going to say that if you do want a copy of my thing that I have leave 
me a message here and I'll leave you my address. 
all the best,Jane whitten

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From: Cameron.Neblett@f80.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Cameron Neblett)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.art
Subject: RE: puppeteers and puppets
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 10:34:13 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/80 - Auburn Ed-Net, Auburn WA

Dear Clarence,
     You asked if anyone was a pup person, or if they use puupets in their work.  I don't, but, I have always thought that puppets were really  fun to play with.  I never really could create a good one.  I was wondering if you might want to help me and talk about puppet construction.  Or even talk about computer animated puppets.  I like working with computers and I once saw this Jim Henson special where he talked about all of the secrets that he used in his different shows and one of them was computer ani
mation.  I thought that it was very interesting.  I also like dummies.  My mom won't let me have one because she knows that I will drive her crazy with it.  When you get a chance to write me back.  

                                        Your Friend,
                                        Cameron Neblett


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From: Steven.Meunier@f2.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Steven Meunier)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.art
Subject: Hello
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:51:30 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/2 - Father Mercredi Hig, Ft McMurray AB

I'm Steven Meunier from Fort McMurray Alberta(It's up north somewhere.).  I also enjoy drawing my own characters, and have been reading comics for six years.  My personal favorite is Spider-man(All new titles.).  I've managed to collect the complete Web of... , and most of Spectacular ... , and most Amazing... passed issue 240.  Do you get the Savage Dragon from Image?  If not check it out.  There is an character contest in the back that lets you make your own character and sent it in.  If yours is picked 



it gets copy righted in your name and you get 50 signed copies of it.  Besides the contest the comic itself is really good.  Besides Spiderman I collect The New Warrior(Assume!!), Silver Surfer, Silver Sable, DarkHawk,most of the mutant titles for the moment, all Image titles for the moment, some DC(Justice League, Green Lantern, Batman:Sword of Azrael-if you like cool art check out this title by Joe Queseda. He does X-Factor know-, Darkstars(another assume title art wise), and prestige titles and mini ser



ies.)

       

        I'll be leaving now but reply if you like, I don't know many people who read comics and draw up here.
  


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From: Jane.Whitten@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Jane Whitten)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.art
Subject: Re: STIJL, CLIFFORD AND AMASO
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 21:55:23 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

didnt Clifford Still work in NewYork during the heyday of the 50s? Check out 
Arnason"s History of Modern Art. I seem to remember him painting some things 
that were lines angled from midway on the horizontal to midwat on the 
vertical on the bottom------------------------------
                          -                            -
                          -                            -
                          --                         ---
                          -  -                     -   -
                          -    -                -      -
and continuing like that till it got to the centre at the bottom. I cant 
give you anymore info than that right now
Jane Whitten, Bridgewater, N.S. Canada

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From: Cameron.Neblett@f80.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Cameron Neblett)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.art
Subject: RE: Computer Graphic
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 10:39:20 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/80 - Auburn Ed-Net, Auburn WA

Dear Richard,
     I like computer graphics.  I want to make a computer program that has a bunch of different games on it.  What program do you use?  I usually use GWBASIC, which has no animation and is very dull, but, it's all I have to program on except QBASIC.  I am now studying QBASIC so that  I can write programs with animation on it.  So, if you want to reply, then do so.

                                        Your Friend,
                                        Cameron Neblett


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From: Richard.Marchand@f2.n3402.z1.fidonet.org (Richard Marchand)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.art
Subject: RE: Computer Graphic
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 19:13:30 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3402/2 - Father Mercredi Hig, Ft McMurray AB

Well to initially create the graphics and animation I use Deluxe Paint IV on the Amiga.  Not being a programmer I then give the graphics to a friend of mine who uses AMOS, a games creation program on the Amiga (Very good from what i hear.) and he then converts them into an Amos bank file and through some programming wizardry  they make their way into the game. I you are interested in making games for shareware or something i would definitely recomend the Amiga and AMOS for its great graphic capabilities an

d hardware scrolling and plus the Amiga shareware market is not as crowded as that of the IBM.  Anywho, I'm not too sure about QBasic but there may be a way to convert IBM Deluxe Paint animation and pictures to a form usable by QBasic.  This would be much better than having to manually bit map animation and graphics in script form as it is a very powerful dedicated paint program.


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From: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Subject: Computer Art "works on paper" discussion group via e-mail
Reply-To: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:53:15 GMT

Announcing a new mailing list discussion group for those interested
in hardcopy computer art.  Here is our initial charter:

     "The PAPER-L electronic bulletin board is designed to provide
a place for artists and technicians to discuss the use of hardcopy
media for computer art, and other issues related to such art.  This
would include, for example, discussions of various printers, papers,
and related photographic processes, archival issues, esthetic
issues, the announcement of computer art shows and gallery openings,
and market issues relating to computer art. This bulletin board is
an outgrowth of the "works on paper" birds-of-a-feather meeting at
the Siggraph '92 meeting held in Chicago."

We hope to meet again at Siggraph '93.  We also hope to gain the
e-mail participation of artists on other networks (e.g. CompuServe)
via internet gateways, interested printer and imaging companies
(e.g. Iris, Kodak, Tektronix), and related service companies and
galleries (e.g. Nash Editions).  So please pass this along!

To join in, send e-mail to:

listserv@acfcluster.nyu.edu (internet) or listserv@nyuacf (bitnet)

and as the body of the message include this line with _your_ name:

subscribe paper-l John Smith

Once your subscription has been processed you will be sent a
response.  From that point on you will be able to send mail to all
subscribers via the address:

paper-l@acfcluster.nyu.edu (internet) or paper-l@nyuacf (bitnet)

If any of this proves to be problematic, send direct e-mail to me
at the address below.  If direct e-mail also fails please consult
with your local network administrators.

Thanks for your interest,

 Phil

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Philip Galanter         New York University    phone:    212-998-3041
Research Associate      251 Mercer             fax:      212-995-4120
Academic Computing      New York, NY 10012 internet: galanter@nyu.edu

O f f i c e   o f   A r t s   &   M e d i a   T e c h n o l o g i e s
From: Jane.Whitten@f2.n255.z1.fidonet.org (Jane Whitten)
Newsgroups: k12.ed.art
Subject: Re: STIJL, CLIFFORD AND AMASO
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 23:01:49 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:255/2 - NEWBED, Fredericton NB

more on still fro m our library. Cs abandoned representational painting 
early in the 40s and began to evolve a highly distinct style charicterized by 
a jagged flamelike shapes and heavily textured backgrounds laid on with knife 
rather than brush. He also abandoned titles for his works, preferring to 
label them simply with the year and an alphabetical designation.his work 
conveyds a sense of a moody determained personin a hostile world.
Hope this is some help to you. Jane Whitten Bridgewater NS

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From: cshields@rvgs.vak12ed.edu (Carol Shields)
Subject: spaceMet
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Roanoke)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 22:23:43 GMT

Tom,
	I know you have answered this before but how do you
access spacemet from the internet?

Thanks

Carol


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From: Tom.Barner@f120.n321.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Barner)
Newsgroups: k12.sys.channel3
Subject: Will Start soon
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 22:33:42 PDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:321/120 - SpaceMet Internet, Amherst MA

I have will send a few more soon. I am going to set up another session for the spring and will be more active. You might try this in the interim. It is not a brown bag as such but could be adapted.
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1. The tower must be built as high as possible, and when finished, must support
the ping-pong ball.
 
2. Any amount of materials may be "purchased" from the "Building Supply
Headquarters" according to the posted price list.
 
3. Once purchased, materials may not be returned for a refund.
 
4. After construction period, the height of each structure will be measured
from the base of the tower to the top of the ball.
 
5. The structure must remain standing by itself after construction with the
ping-pong ball on top.
 
6. The ping-pong ball cannot be damaged or altered during or after
construction.
 
7. The height of the tower and the total cost of materials will determine team
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