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From: strider@acm.rpi.edu (Greg Moore)
Subject: Re: Altitude and Asthma
Organization: The Voice of Fate
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:09:51 GMT

In article <Jul21.212702.49657@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> heatherb@NREL.ColoState.EDU (Heather Bean) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.192217.2212@Princeton.EDU> sproule@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (William J  Jr. Sproule) writes:
>>
>>My wife and I are planning a trip to Rocky Mtns this fall,
>>and we are concerned about how high altitude (5000 -> 12000 ft)
>>will affect my asthma.  Anyone have experience or advice?
>  
>I have lived here right near the rockies for most of my life and done a
>fairly large amount of hiking, running, climbing, and cycling at high altitude
>with asthma, so maybe I can at least share some experience (for advice,
>definitely go to your doctor, she knows what effects altitude has on whatever
>medications you may be taking)
>
	You may also want to see your pharmacist.  While it is true that your
doctor will know your medical condition better than anyone on the net, doctors
do hae a tough time keeping up on all the medications out there, and their
side affects.  Pharmacists generally do a much better job, since all they work
with are medications.  (Remember, the training to become a pharmacist is
nearly as tough as it is to become a medical doctor.)  Pharamcists are more
likely to know about side-affects and interactions and contra-indications.

 
>GOOD LUCK!! ENJOY!
>
>-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Backcountry Improvisations (Was: Swiss Army Knife)
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:33:21 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <10001@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> hall@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Hal Lillywhite) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.041545.3997@fivegl.co.nz> derek@fivegl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:
> 
>>Tirfor make very good manual winches.  These are so much more veratile than
>>the macho electric ones you see on Urban Safari Trucks(tm). 
>
>>As well as achieving the desired task of recovering vehicles from muddy
>>ditches you can use it...
>
>But use it with *care*.  I haven't seen this particular brand of
>hand winch but all I have seen have no shear pins or other safety
>devices.  This means that a strong person might overtighten and break
>the cable.  This can be a particular problem if you hook your winch
>to a separate cable to extend the reach.  

The Tirfor has these safety features and will shear (or lock I can't 
remember which) before the breaking strain of the cable is reached.

Obviously this only works if you use the correct cable and it is in 
good condition.  This is the type of winch the British Fire Service use
so it should be pretty safe. 

>Cable is elastic and stores 
>a lot of energy as it stretches.  When it breaks that energy quickly 
>goes into moving the cable.  The results can be spectacular and deadly.  
>You get a monster steel cable bullwhip!  

Quite true - the same goes for tow ropes/cables.  


-- 
Derek Tearne  derek@icl.co.nz or derek@fivegl.co.nz --Fujitsu SDC,Auckland,NZ

My 'self aware' .signature file failed his Turing test.  
It turns out he was just a chess playing midget in a decorative box.
From: ffjal@alaska.edu (John Lehman)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Goin' to Alaska
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:25:42 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <1992Jul29.170242.8008@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
matroyan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Mark) writes: >Leaving Aug 18th for Denali.  3
weeks of backpacking there, 
unless someone has a better suggestion??? (hint hint)
>
Without a car you would have to charter a plane to get to the Gates of the
Arctic, and it would be pushing the season.  If you can arrange transportation
from Denali National Park to Denali State Park (south) there are good trails
there and you do not have to put up with the mobs in the National Park and
the Park Service's attempts to control them. On the other hand, at the National
Park, the rangers will tell you exactly where to go, and maps, other services
etc are easy to get. Best bet might be to try Denali this time, and if you
like it come up for a few weeks in Gates of the Arctic in a future year.

Unfortunately, public transportation (such as there is) in Alaska is not set
up for backpackers.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Stronger? packcloth or 1000 denier nylon
From: swayzed@brandonu.ca
Date: 26 Jul 92 03:23:17 CST
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

I am presently looking to purchase a medium size backpack (30-34 litre
capacity) from Mountain Equipment Co-op. I am considering the M.E.C. Weeping
Wall and the M.E.C. Huascaran. They are 34 litre and 30 litre packs, and priced 
at $44.00 and $42.00 respectively.

My primary concern, however, lies in the fabric they are made of. The Weeping
Wall is 250g packcloth with a bottom made of 1000 denier nylon. The Huascaran
is made entirely of 370g 1000 denier nylon. Which is the more durable fabric?

I would appreciate any opinions on either or both of these packs as well as
an answer to the above question.

Thanks,

David

-- 
 
David Swayze        | SWAYZED@BrandonU.CA    | Reading furnishes the mind only
Brandon University  | Canada (pokey) Post:   | with materials of knowledge; it
Brandon, Manitoba   | 56 Wilnor Bay          | is thinking which makes what we
Canada              | Brandon, MB, R7B 3H1   | read ours.           John Locke
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Goin' to Alaska
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 19:58:52 GMT
Distribution: na

Public transport.

Just as one can hitch rides in the lower-48 in cars, it is frequently
possible to hitch rides on private planes.  Only the frequency is a
bit lower.  Not for those on a tight time schedule.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Cairns, Flags, and Fixed Wands
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:57:02 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <1992Jul31.140720.27109@oracle.us.oracle.com>
usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) writes:
>I believe the cables were removed in the 
>early 1970's, to discourage hikers from unwittingly endangering themselves.
>This was before the Great Age of Litigation.  One can only imagine the lawsuits
>that would be brought today.

The cables were removed for environmental reasons.
You said it: 1970s.  One can go back and find copies of Summit which detailed
this (and probably Climbing).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: tgorb@rrc.chevron.com (Joe Gorberg)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Chevron - People Do? (sometimes)
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:33:37 GMT
Reply-To: tgorb@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

In article 21438@nas.nasa.gov, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
 
>I have had my own personal experience with the aforementioned Chevron workers.
>I was munching lunch outside Yosemite Park HQ before a meeting as I watched
>Chevron workers trying to break up "restore" the soil between the walkways
>next to the main Visitor Center.  They were spading the soil, but being
>careful not to turn it, then fencing it off.  You can see this fencing to
>this day.  Was this of value?  I would doubt it.  It's PR, but you can't
>fault the employees.  This might be regarded as a ecological disaster if
>this were just done in other parts of the Park.  It was a great opportunity
>for them to put their logo up where 4M people a year could see it.
>
>The biggest thing is that we have to get past the cutie version of the
>Bambi environment (best portraryed by Walt Disney's older cartoons).
>The "I am helping" empire building isn't necessarily what the world needs.
 
Little did you know, Eugene, for at least 4 or 5 years, Chevron employees have
organized 3 to 4 weekend trips per year to clean up and restore Yosemite.  People
volunteer because they have a desire to make a difference. Projects included 
building hiking trails, planting trees, creek cleanups, and the list goes on.  They 
are organized with the park rangers.  So saying things are done for 
publicity and without real desire for improvement leads me to wonder about your
motives for typing the above harsh words which have no substance.
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: hens@romulus.cray.com (Thomas Stephens  2560)
Subject: Info about Colorado
Keywords: camping, backpacking 
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:39:34 CDT

My wife and I are planning a backpacking trip to Colorado.  We are planning to stay in sort of 
a "base camp" with our Pickup camper and pack out from there.  We are interested in trout 
fishing in creeks or mountain lakes.  We are also interested in scouting some elk hunting areas.
I would perfer to stay off the "beaten path" if possible.  


We have looked at maps of the area around Salida.  I looks pretty promising for mountain lakes
and creeks, at least on the map.  


I welcome comments/suggestions on this area and others that you have been in Colorado.


PS,  The last time we hiked in Wyoming, and Montana we didn't need water filters.  How about
here??
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Newsgroups: rec.backcountry,rec.boats
From: escmar@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Mar Siew Cheong)
Subject: Re: GPS
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:12:21 GMT

In article <petere-250792135937@129.83.90.13> petere@tesla.mitre.org (Peter D. Engels) writes:

: In article <1992Jul24.230231.5195@ichips.intel.com>, jreece@sousa.intel.com
: (John Reece) wrote:
: > 
: > In article <thompson.712013589@daphne.socsci.umn.edu>, thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson) writes:
: > 
: > > 2.  GPS fixes position by looking for satellites.  3 simultaneous fixes
: > >     are needed to get a 3D fix.  In certain regions of the globe (Don't
: > >     ask ME where) only two satellites are available at any one time.
: > >     This generally is not a problem for boaters since they usually know
: > >     their altitude, which can substitute for one satellite.  Might be a
: > >     problem for mountain travellers, however.
: > 
: > It may be a while before all the planned satellites are up.  I just read
: > in the San Francisco Guardian (a freebie leftist rag) about two peace
: > activists who are awaiting sentencing for smashing up a couple of the 
: > satellites down at the Rockwell plant.  The article is a classic example
: > of journalism as cheerleading, and it's really a scream the way they 
: > ignore the civilian uses and righteously mischaracterize the military ones 
: > to justify themselves.
: 
: It's not all that important, but for the sake of accuracy, you should know
: that a GPS 3D fix requires four satellites; a 2D (Lat-Long) fix requires
: three satellites.  The system measures time differences (sort of like
: Loran).  The variation in the number of viewable satellites is a function
: of both location and time, since the satellites are not fixed in position,
: like communication satellites, but actually move with respect to the
: viewer.
: 
: -Pete
:
 FYI, it has been reported in a reknown journal (technical) that 4
 satellites may not be able to provide reliable 3D positioning. 5
 satellites are needed to do the job properly. The same goes for
 2D positioning, i.e., 4 satellites are required against the
 conventional wisdom of 3.

 Siew Cheong
 Opinions and views are exclusively mine.

 --------
 Mar Siew Cheong 
 Nanyang Technological University, Singapore
 Internet Email : escmar@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
 Bitnet Email : escmar@ntuvax.bitnet   
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
From: jahn@guinness.Idbsu.EDU (Greg Jahn)
Subject: Re: Bigfoot
Reply-To: jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu
Organization: BSU - Data Center
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:24:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.014621.5339@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
 ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes:
|>   There are several other good examples of more recent animal discoveries,
|>one of which being the pigmy chimp that was found in 1929 (if memory serves
|>me right). The mountain gorilla is another good example of a large animal
|>that was only exposed in recent history, along with the panda.
|>-- 
|>"A large creature about 7 1/2 to 8 foot tall. It was greyish black in color,
|>and as it went away from me I seen the backside of it walking as a man would
|>walk on it's hind legs."- Former Sheriff Oliver Potter, Vancouver, Washington
|>The Cryptozoology Information Network. Want on our Email mailing list? Amiga!
|>

I can't remember the exact source, but it seems that around four years
ago there was a reported sighting of an environmental president. I
can't, however, say that I've seen any evidence that proves this. :-)

--
Greg Jahn, Boise State Univ.|"You'd eat your young alive
/ jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu / | for a Jaguar in the drive.
/ dosjahn@idbsu.bitnet    / | You lie too much, you lie too badly"
/ (208)385-3891.thephone  / |          - Joni Mitchel
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Swiss Army Knife the best?
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:12:16 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <Jul21.163621.59322@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (John Cooley) writes:
>In article <Jul17.155244.46235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>The models with the chain saw are especially clumsy when trying to use the
>tiny screwdriver which mounts in the corkscrew...
>If you must have the chainsaw, be sure to get the Swiss Army Internationale
>which runs on other fuels besides Coleman fuel. 

Sounds good.  I assume it also comes with the Swiss Army Chain Saw tool
for adjustments?  Keep it up John, you may get the next prize.
Style, remember that the last prize winner took the form of a UPI
article.  Don't duplicate, but find something original.  I liked the
progression.

>>That said, I don't carry the model with a saw -- too heavy.  I've got
>>the model with phillips and regular screwdrivers, can opener, knife
>>blades and awl.  I've taken apart all kinds of computers and peripherals
>>with it, but it's awkward.
>
>The chainsaw model is especially handy for taking apart computers and
>peripherals, and it's not awkward at all.  Reassembly may be a problem,
>though...

Hum, my tape drive is giving real grief on Gigabyte size files, like
right now, this chain saw sounds perfect. (I thought this was what rcp
and ftp were for..... copying files from Ames to San Jose via Dallas to
place them on a tape bound for Chicago..

Of course some assembly may be required.

>And then there's the Swiss Army Truck, with corkscrew, sailboard and mountain
>bike modules - oh, wait, I think Yakima already thought of that...never mind!

Better than Fletcher!  I think I just saw a SAT Unimog across the street from
Flint Center next to Apple.  Can I have the M2 machine gun as well?

>John Cooley
>When can I get ethernet in the backcountry?  But then it wouldn't be 
>backcountry, would it?

I'm using UltraNet in the backcountry.  I need the MBs and GBs and TBs.
Remember one can see Unix software running on mountain tops, just find a
micro-wave tower (T3!  what more can you ask for?).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: jclarke@gandalf.rutgers.edu (J.Christopher Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Virgin forest in New Hampshire?
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:53:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	I believe that I just read an article in Appalachian Mountain Club's
monthly journal, about a small area of virgin timber.  I believe that it was
located in North Conway, NH, proper, and that it has become either a city or 
state park.  It appearently was too small and too inaccessible an area to 
be worth cutting, and that is the reason that is survived.

J. Christopher Clarke
jclarke@gandalf.rutgers.edu
From: rjk@iastate.edu (Russell J Kraemer)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: MSR Whisperlite
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:09:41 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Jul21.164018.20859@rsg1.er.usgs.gov> ssnyder@sunai.er.usgs.gov (Steve Snyder) writes:
>In article <39431@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> paul@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Anderson) writes:
>>
>>I got fed up with matches and disposable lighters, so I bought myself a
>>Zippo lighter. Can I use White Gas (Coleman fuel) in it? What kind of fuel
>>are lighters supposed to use?
>>
>Butane! I would not recommend putting White Gas into a butane lighter, 
>you're likely to have a fireball in your hand. They're meant to be
>disposable anyway (not necessarily environmentally sound). Also, butane
>is a gas (at normal atmospheric pressure) and the lighters work by 
>butane evaporating off when you release the pressure by pressing on the
>button (or whatever it's called) when you light it. So I doubt that
>white gas would work in one anyway, since it's a liquid.
>
>Steve
>

Uh, oops I think.  Thats not the kind of lighter he is talking about.
The Zippo's usually use a fluid you pour into the bottom of the lighter.
I switched to one of these as well (due to disposable lighter enviromental
concerns) and have a few tips for you:

1. The place you bought your lighter should sell "Zippo fuel". I have
   never used anything else in mine, and its not real expensive.
   One can will last you a long time.

2. Buy some extra flints and put them in the bottom of your lighter.
   ( you pull the stack out of the case....where you put the fuel,
     just stick a few in there when you slide it back together)

3. Buy a matchsafe and put some matchs in it. The good stick kind
   that you can buy in most grocery stores.  Zippos dont like
   to be wet, and can get clogged with sand, mud etc or run out of fuel,
   and you may want your stove lit NOW and clean the lighter later.

4. For longer trips, take a small can of fluid with you (zippo fuel).
   If it gets wet, you may need to re fil it, and this stuff will
   get the soggest moss and twigs going for places and persons
   that like campfires.

Remember, If you ever break it, Zippo replaces it free.  I have broken
three, not due to a cheap lighter, but unusual conditions. They replaced
all three no questions asked.

I know all this means a few extra ounces in the pack, but every little bit
of plastic disposable that I wont run across 50 years from now is that much
better IMHO.


Just to stick in a pet peeve, but people who smoke cigarettes and just toss
the butts should be beaten gently with a wet tuna. Please pick em
up so we dont have to look at em.
(not implying that you do, just ranting :)   )





-- 
rjk@iastate.edu                 

I think therefore I.......shoot, was I saying something?
From: johnc@yuma.acns.colostate.edu (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Swiss Army Knife the best?
Summary: Especially the one with the chain saw...
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:36:21 GMT
Followup-To: rec.backcountry
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <Jul17.155244.46235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>In article <1992Jul16.232400.25955@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>>
>>I have to agree with Haar on this one.  Far too small.  I prefer the little
>>cable saws if I need a little "survival saw" (interesting reading about
>>this in Yeager's autobiography), but I keep a Sven saw handy in
>>the truck.  For big jobs, try the Swiss Army chain saw....

The models with the chain saw are especially clumsy when trying to use the
tiny screwdriver which mounts in the corkscrew...
If you must have the chainsaw, be sure to get the Swiss Army Internationale
which runs on other fuels besides Coleman fuel. 

>That said, I don't carry the model with a saw -- too heavy.  I've got
>the model with phillips and regular screwdrivers, can opener, knife
>blades and awl.  I've taken apart all kinds of computers and peripherals
>with it, but it's awkward.

The chainsaw model is especially handy for taking apart computers and
peripherals, and it's not awkward at all.  Reassembly may be a problem,
though...

>I too keep a sven saw in my truck, along with a shovel, jumper cables,
>misc tools, tarp, etc.  What I really need to add to my box of truck-junk
>is a hand winch.

And then there's the Swiss Army Truck, with corkscrew, sailboard and mountain
bike modules - oh, wait, I think Yakima already thought of that...never mind!

John Cooley
When can I get ethernet in the backcountry?  But then it wouldn't be 
backcountry, would it?
From: unger@mitem.com (Tom Unger)
Newsgroups: rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Lousy weather we're having...
Date: 20 Jul 92 16:58:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MITEM Corp

Lousy weather here in Seattle too.  It has been generally warm and
sunny for the past two months, with only a few short stretches of
clouds and rain.  And it's not just sunny all the time, it hot too,
often up to the mid 80 by afternoon.  The mountain lakes are
suffering.  Low snow levels and hot weather have warmed many of them -
I was actually able to take a real swim in a lake a couple weeks ago.
The forests are the most affected.  Wood is now drier than it was in
Yellowstone before the big fires there a couple years ago.  The forest
managers are all on edge - good chance for huge fires late this
summer.

missing the clouds and rain,

Tom Unger.