From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Subject: Re: Bob Hooker's possibly fraudulen (was Re: Trickle Down Economics)
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:11:49 GMT

In article <C0JH7E.8ss@unix.portal.com> mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz) writes:
>Mike Polen (mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com) wrote:

>: Please present any similarities to the feminist movement and Nazi-ism.
>: It must have escaped the notice of the press.  I think a better
>: description of Bush is that he panders to the racist attitudes in
>: others without making overtly racist statements.

>The most extrememe militant feminists do share a lot with nazi-ism.
>Promoting abortion for abortion's sake is very common with Genocide.

No, it isn't.  Genocide refers to the deliberate destruction of a
racial/ethnic/etc group.  Abortion does not do this.

Furthermore, can you name ONE feminist, ONE, who "promotes abortion for
abortion's sake?"  This is great propaganda, but it is meaningless.
There is no such thing. 

Furthermore, and most importantly, what does this have to do with
anything?  This is like calling Dwight Eisenhower a Nazi because David
Duke is.  If "the most extreme militant feminists" do something, what
does that have to do with the feminist movement?  If the most extreme
militant feminists eat Cheerios, what does that say about the feminist
movement?

The most extreme Baptist (or Catholic, or Methodist, or...) people
believe we ought to lynch all blacks.  What does that say about the
Baptist church?

>And there's clear and frequently quoted feminist writings that indicate
>these feminists believe in a superior race - women.

I don't even know what to make of this.

>: |> >But Buchanan?   He's an out-and-out racist and anti-semite.  

>: |> No one who knows him has said that, and many have come forward to
>: |> defend him, including Michael Kinsley, whom you quoted.  He has known
>: |> Pat for years and says he is definitely not an anti-semite.

>: Pat is not anti-semitic.  He just thinks that anyone who isn't a
>: Christian should not have a place or say in his world, should not affect
>: our politics, and should not dirty his doorstep.  This is true religion
>: at work.  Tolerance, not understanding.  Pity, not sharing.
>: Pat isn't worth the print it takes to discuss him.

>You wanna share the sources/writings directly from Buchannan that indicates
>he is an anti=semite.  I've seen you and I've seen plenty of TV journalists
>make this kind of claim.  Yet the people that deal with him day in and
>day out and know him a lot better than you do say otherwise...

From Buckley's column in the National Review, "In Search of Anti-Semitism":

"There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the
Middle East -- the Israeli Defense Ministry and its amen corner in the
United States."  -- Buchanan, on the McLaughlin show.

Congress is "Israeli-occupied territory."

Buckley: "Coincidentally with his reference to the amen corner, he
[Buchanan] pronouced the names of four important men who influence
public policy, whom he identified with the hyper-bellicose wing of the
anti-Saddam forces.  They were: A. M. Rosenthal, the columnist and
former executive editor of the New York Times; Richard Perle, former
assistant secretary of defense and a leader of the hawkish legions
during the cold war; columnist Charles Krauthammer, an influential
moral-political strategist, with Wilsonian internationalist
inclinations; and Henry Kissinger.  They have in common many things.
But in the context of the polemical offensive by Buchanan, the most
conspicuous of these is that they are all Jewish.  This common
denominator assaults the analytical mind in a way it wouldn't if the
four strategist had been *uniquely* identifiable as advocates of a
tough line against Saddam Hussein.  But A. M. Rosenthal, columnist,
was no more belligerent on the Hussein issue than James Jackson
Kilpatrick, also a columnist; Richard Perle no more than Frank
Gaffney, his former colleague; Charles Krauthammer no more than George
Will; and Henry Kissinger no more than one of his successors as
secretary of state, Alexander Haig.  Four Christians.
   The evidence that the Jewish factor was engrossing Buchanan
mounted.  And then whatever coincidence might in desperation have been
pleaded for this aggression of all-Jewish anti-Hussein activists, its
usefulness expired when Pat Buchanan went on to write that if we went
to war, the fighting would be done by "kids with names like
McAllister, Murphy, Gonzales, and Leroy Brown."  There is no way to
read that sentence without concluding that Pat Buchanan was suggesting
that American Jews manage to avoid personal military exposure even
while advancing military policies they (uniquely?) engender."

>: |> >William F. Buckley, who agrees with him ideologically, even admits that
>: |> >he's an anti-semite.

>: |> You better read that piece again ("National Review", December 30, 1991) --
>: |> that isn't what Buckley said.  He said that some of what Buchanan has said
>: |> could reasonably be taken as anti-semitic, and he should apologize for
>: |> those statements (which he hasn't done -- something I view as a character
>: |> flaw), but that he doesn't think that Buchanan himself is anti-semitic.

>: You are giving him a lot of lattitude.  If it walks like and anti-semite,
>: and it talks like an anti-semite then it probably is an anti-semite.  I agree
>: with your charcter flaw statement -- anti-semitism is a serious character
>: flaw.

>Better yet - if you can slap a label like anti-semite on him, he must be one.

Well, if he says anti-semitic things, what is he, if not an anti-semite?
Answer that?

If he explains that we need a Religious Crusade because of all those gay
people, does that imply that he really just disapproves of their
lifestyle?  Or does the word "crusade" imply a little bit more?

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