HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Another GSCII/SSCII bug
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:37:19 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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In article <73428@apple.Apple.COM> shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes:
>>Anything I'm forgetting?  Speak now or forever hold your...  :-)
>
>Change the version number majorly to something like GSCII 2.0 or GSCII NT just
>so that people understand that it's something they -really- gotta have.
>

GSCII NT?  Oh no, not that.  Please, no :-)  It'll never come out if he
names it that :-)

>andy
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From: u9999aec@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David Isaacson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Memory tester? & chip number
Date: 8 Oct 1992 17:49:30 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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In article <1992Oct8.181650.24115@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> mh001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (M. W. Hacker) writes:
>Two things,
>
>1)  The FAQ mentioned a memory tester in AWGS.  Is this in version 1.0
>or just in version 1.1?  If it is in 1.0 then where is it?  How can
>I run it?  If not, are there any other memory tester (freeware,shareware)
>that will test a apple 1M card?
>
I'm not too sure about the AWGS tester since I don't have it, but
there is a BASIC program which does test the Apple 1Meg card... can't
remember the name but I believe its on tybalt(ccosun).

>Thanks,
>-- 
>
>Matthew W. Hacker                           mh001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
>                                            AppleII forever!


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From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Problems with GSHK 1.1 unpacking
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:42:09 GMT
Reply-To: fadden@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I had a similar problem once before with "unshar".  I distributed the file
(a shell EXE) by packing it with BinSCII, but without running it through
ShrinkIt first.

It gave identical results when executed after unpacking.  I don't think I
ever did figure out exactly what the problem was, but it was probably the
same one that everybody is experiencing with GSHK.

Incidentally, I used P8 BinSCII for packing and unpacking.

So, for the time being, DO NOT use BinSCII to pack "raw" EXE or S16 files.

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[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: GSHK v1.1 on comp.binaries
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:31:01 GMT

In article <1bdso6INN4jt@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes) writes:
> [Matt Deatherage said "Don't use SCIIBIN for executables before
> downloading"]
> 
> I did, and it worked fine.  

My guess is you used YModem or ZModem to download the file.

> Understandable, and yet why should Xmodem or Ymodem pad a file to a 128
> byte boundary?  I mean, if it did that to every file you transferred
> with it, it'd be pretty worthless!

Design feature of the XModem protocol.  It doesn't transfer any
information about file size, and each block is 128 bytes in length.
All files sent with XModem will be rounded up to the nearest 128 byte
boundary.

In most cases it doesn't matter.  If the file uses Binary II, the
extra bytes are ignored.  If it is a .SHK file without a Binary II
header, the extra bytes are also ignored.  If it a text file, you may
end up with some garbage bytes at the end of the file.

However, GS/OS executable files (and some others) must have exactly
the right length, or they won't work.

The other problem with using sciibin is that it loses the file type
information - you would have to restore the file type and auxiliary
type after downloading it.  

The YModem and ZModem protocols include exact file length in the
header, so using either of these will preserve the correct length.
Note: the "YModem" protocol is frequently confused with "XModem-1k".
I'm referring to the REAL YModem protocol, which supports batch
downloads.

> OTOH, I still think this whole mess wouldn't have happened if the
> SEA had been stuffed in a BII envelope (something to consider for future
> transfer of SEAs).

If you had SEA in Binary II in BinSCII, you would have to go through
three steps to extract the file: un-BinSCII it, un-Binary II it (with
an appropriate archive program), then launch it to extract the
contents.  The whole point of SEA is that you don't need an archive
program to extract the contents, but you needed one to get the Binary
II information out of the way!

In such a situation, you may as well have just placed a plain SHK
archive in the BinSCII file, saving 12k in the process!

Binary II is not appropriate within a BinSCII archive if you assume
the end user will be extracting it on an Apple II.  It is almost
essential if the end user will be extracting it on a UNIX system and
then downloading it.

I think SCIIBIN should be burned at the stake - it is complicating
Apple II file transfers far too much.
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: johnmac@fawlty.towers.oz.au (John MacLean)
Subject: DOS Launcher Answers
Organization: Tower Technology, Sydney
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:38:57 GMT

A few answers to some DOS 3.3 Launcher questions:

Q) How do you access the second side of a DOS 3.3 disk through DOS Launcher?

A) When you copy a double sided disk, the second side is accessed as
slot 6, drive 2.
This should be documented in the READ.ME file.
I don't know how useful this is, as most 2 sided (or 2 disk) games need
to be patched to use it.

Q) Does DOS Launcher work with Prosel?

A) I don't know whether DOS Launcher works with ProSel.
I don't know if ProSel can be configured to launch a data file via
a specified executeable (like you can with Finder ICONS).
Assuming you can, I would think things should work.
DOS Launcher looks for a message center message when it starts up,
so ProSel will need to install that.
The only other likely problem is lack of memory.
If anyone knows for sure let us all know.

John MacLean.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: tjn@iastate.edu (Tony J Neyens)
Subject: Re: Prodos 8 Quit Paramaters Needed...
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:33:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.183012.5646@news.columbia.edu> stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
>	Well, it seems my ProDOS 8 Technical Reference (Thanks for the
>book, Dave!) is a little bit older than the rest, and it doesn't
>document the ProDOS 8 quit call, or more correctly there wasn't a p8
>quit call at the time.
>
>	At any rate, I'm writing a small system file, and I need to
>know the P8 quit parameters...  The important thing is how to quit to
>another application, and if there is a way to stack your app, so it
>will be returned upon quit.

I know that for versions up to 1.9, what I describe below is the case.  For
those who have gotten v2.0 of ProDOS, I am not sure, and I am asking anyone
(especially Matt or Dave at Apple).

(I also did E-Mail my answer to Steve, but with this question, I am also
posting.)

For versions up to 1.9, there are 4 parameters with the call, but all of them
are marked as reserved for future use.  They MUST still be there, and they
must be initialized to zero, so the parameter list (of length 7 bytes) would
look like this: 

 +0    :  $04      (Four parameters)
 +1    :  $00      (Reserved, set to 0) \
 +2/+3 :  $00/$00  (Reserved, set to 0)  \ All these MUST be present and
 +4    :  $00      (Reserved, set to 0)  /   SET TO 0 !!!
 +5/+6 :  $00/$00  (Reserved, set to 0) /

Source:  _Beneath Apple ProDOS_

In version 2.0, are all of these parameters still reserved, or can/must
you set any parameters to non-zero value(s)?

(The technotes go up to 1.9 at archive.umich.edu [I actually can access that
site directly using AFS])

Thanks!

--Tony
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From: mh001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matthew W. Hacker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: >>VGA cards?
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:18:36 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

[Ideas about wiring VGA to apples]

  This might be a clueless idea, but what about making
a card that didn't mess with the standard video.
It could have an input from the motherboard video
and simply switch the monitor output when a certain
byte was accessed.  Put the card's video memory in a
seperate place (say the top meg of memory).
  It would have to have it's own driver/tool, then
software could be written to automatically switch to
the higher video mode.  Or maybe it would only be useful
for stuff that did direct access...
  I dunno.  What are the problems in making a higher mode
availible for the Apple?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Michael Heintz)
Subject: Re: Advise needed
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:54:07 GMT

In article <01GPGYYRXRWW8ZDW1W@ALBION.BITNET> EFLORES@ALBION.BITNET writes:
>I am in the process of changing from the IIGs to the Mac. Can anyone
>advise of a file transfer program I might use to transfer my files?
>For a wordprocessor I have been using Wordperfect and am planning
>to get the WP version for the Mac.    ???? E. Flores

You can upgrade to System 6.0 (free from your Apple Dealer) and transfer your
WordPerfect files from a GS ProDOS based disk directly through the Finder.
However, if you are still using WordPerfect, you probably don't have a lot
of extra memory, so your best bet would be to use the Apple File Exchange
(AFE) that comes with the System Software on each and every new Macintosh.
Just run the program and your Mac will be able to transfer files from ProDOS
disks to your Mac's hard drive or HFS (Mac format) disk.  Newer versions of
WordPerfect should be able to recognize the format of the older WordPerfect
files because I believe that WP GS files are created the same way as WP
files on other platforms.

Make sure that you use the Text translation, from AFE, first.  If that
doesn't work, this task may require some trial and error, but once you
are finished, you won't have to do it again!

	Good luck,
		...Mike



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From: marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: memory card for //e style IIgs needed
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:39:48 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Paul Benson writes:
(stuff deleted)
>There is also a utility for Foundation that I heard about which handles
>rSounds, is this the SoundConvert you are talking about or something else?

Close... the resource editor module for Foundation is by Triad Ventures,
which _also_ have SoundConvert.  The Foundation sound editor is SoundREM and
requires Foundation.

Marc
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From: kees@echelon.uucp (Kees Hendrikse)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Apple //c self-test (was Re: Apple IIc acting STRANGE!)
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:31:54 GMT
Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands

In <1992Oct10.190825.4933@eskimo.celestial.com>
jason9@eskimo.celestial.com (Jason Haskins) writes:

> The //c, I believe, has four ROM versions.  Version 255 is the oldest,
> followed by 01, 03, and 04, I think it is.  I think it's 03 and 04 that
> are Unidisk compatible.

According to Apple's technote/IIc/#7 (Existing versions), there are 4 ROM
versions:

: 1)  Original IIc ( $FBBF = $FF )
: 2)  3.5 ROM IIc ( $FBBF = $00 )
: 3)  Original "Memory-Expandable" IIc ( $FBBF = $03 )
: 4)  Revised "Memory-Expandable" IIc ( $FBBF = $04 )

From 2 on they're Unidisk compatible but they all support OA/CA 'exerciser
code' in some form.

This information seems to be uncomplete, because there is another version with
$FBBF = $00 which is not Unidisk compatible. This version has the exercise
routine (called 'banger') located at $C740-$C780 (like the original $FF-ROM)
with entry-point $C77C. If you enter this routine, you stay there forever.
There will *not* be any 'System OK' message. The listing has comments that
say:

: The following code is Teri's memory and soft switch exercise program. The
: only purpose is exercise, not diagnostic functions. This code is activated
: on a system without a keyboard, or when both open and closed apple keys are
: pressed during the reset sequence.

The Unidisk compatible '$00' version doesn't have a real 'banger' routine,
but falls through to the 'diagnostic' routine. Listing comments say:

: These routines test all 128K ram. All combinations of soft switches 
: applicable to the //c are tested and verified. (...)
: The test will run continuously for as long as the open and closed Apple
: keys remain depressed (or no keyboard is connected) and no failures
: are encountered. The message 'System OK' will appear in the middle of
: the screen when an successful cycle has been run and either of the 
: Apple keys are no longer depressed. Another cycle may be initiated by
: pressing both Apple keys again while this message is on the screen.

The Unidisk-compatible $00 ROM has this diagnostic code located $D4A9

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: schwarts@cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz)
Subject: Re: ShrinkIt GS 1.1 (cont.)
Originator: schwarts@atlantic.cps.msu.edu
Reply-To: schwarts@cps.msu.edu (Steven Eric Schwartz)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:46:10 GMT

In article <Bw0L37.Iso@world.std.com> jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) writes:
>
>I'm not so sure!  I used GSCII+ to  extract mine and I had the same problem
>when trying to run the SEA file (an $1104 {not a load file} error).
>
>Jeff Berntsen
>jeffb@world.std.com
>

Same here Jeff -- I used GSCII+ also. Has anyone had the problem I mentioned 
earlier with the docs after extracting them from NuFX.


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From: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: MODZap fiasco?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 18:04:27 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Reply-To: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <1992Oct8.045941.7021@news.iastate.edu>, by irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy):
> Everyone can now send mail to 

> since there now -will not- be any further MODZap.  All decisions final, no
> warranty is offered.

Fine, You mean because I said if you don't want to do it don't?

A few examples of what I am talking about:
Amirit says:
>..and don't anyone else flame me on behalf of Ian...Ian can do his own
>flaming...an DON'T ban me from #AppleIIGS goddamnit!

Hmmm.... Banning from #AIIgs again Ian?

Do you really want to turn this into a *personal* flame war?
You had the support of everyone, but you just seem to get more offensive
as time goes on. What is it exactly that you're trying to prove? Hey, so
I liked ModZap, but I'm beginning to like you less and less... Why do
you have to act like such a jerk?

TPW writes:
>Ian, you sound like somebody looking for an excuse to leave. Nothing we say
>is going to stop you; the best we could hope for is to delay it. If your ego
>has that much to do with it and you were not doing MZ because YOU wanted to
>use it, then maybe you ARE better off programming on an x86 where you can get
>lost in the crowd and not emotionally involved.

I'm not so sure, or ever had been that "delaying" someone was a good idea.
If you don't like it then fine. But how is your "holier than thou" attitude
making life any better for anyone, including yourself, especially when by
starting and promoting this crap you "lower" yourself to the same or lower
level.

Damnit Ian, stop this crap. I've had enough. A *LOT* of people still read
comp.sys.apple2 and hide in the background, and at this point have to think
that we're all a bit on the childish side. I've known you for about a year
now (since #AppleIIgs started) and while you've always been over-reactive
and not very self-reflective, you are taking it to new heights.

Just like Amirit, I will apologize to someone I had/do consider a friend.
I hope maybe you come to your senses and realize that not everyone is out
to get you.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: Prodos 8 Quit Paramaters Needed...
Organization: Skunk Works Software Co.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:06:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.183012.5646@news.columbia.edu> stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
>	At any rate, I'm writing a small system file, and I need to
>know the P8 quit parameters...  The important thing is how to quit to
>another application, and if there is a way to stack your app, so it
>will be returned upon quit.

The QUIT parameters are simple:

          DFC $04
          DFC $00
          ADR $0000
          DFC $00
          ADR $0000

To stack apps, you'll need to install your own QUIT routine.  Make
sure you save the original QUIT code first, or you'll never get back
to wherever you started. :-)

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From: maxc1169@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Yuan-chi Chiu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: How to took my "Laser" with modem?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:53:17 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services

Hello, I have a Laser Apple II clone computer,

   I know it's old, but I would like to be able to hook up my 2400 Hayes
compatible modem to it.  My questions is, does it use the standard IBM external
modems and serial cables?

   I would also like to know what's the best shareware available modem software
for the Apple2 computer.  I'm mainly interested in the simple VT100 emulation,
but ANSI display would be super.

   Please flood me with your help!
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From: cd248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Sherman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Is Deskjet 500 better than DeskWriter? (2nd request)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 20:46:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Sherman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



This is my second stab at this question.  No one answered the first
time.

Sun Remarketing is selling the HP Deskwriter (refurb.) for $299.  Is
there any advantage to getting the deskjet 500 over the deskwriter?? 

I have a 2.25 meg IIgs w/ a hard drive and I mostly use AWGS.  I do use
AW classic once in a while but I can use my imagewriter w/ that.

Does anyone know the answer?

Aloha.

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From: dratzlaf@nyx.cs.du.edu (Norby)
Subject: Re: Accelerators (was: Re: Resurrection!!!!!)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 05:05:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.091856.9297@actrix.gen.nz> David.Empson@bbs.actrix.
en.nz writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.043011.5380@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dratzlaf@nyx.cs.d
.edu (Norby) writes:
>> 
>> So am I to understand that an 8 MHz Zip chip will not work with a
>> No-Slot-Clock???  This would be very bad, as I already have an NSC in 
y
>> //c and have just bought a Zip that is shipping right now!
>> 
>> Please tell me it aint so!
>
>In a IIc?  Sorry - you're out of luck.  If the No Slot Clock is under
>the motherboard ROM, the ZIP/NSC combination will cause the NSC to
>stop working (at best) or the computer to crash continuously (at worst).
>
>In a IIe, you have the option of placing the No Slot Clock under a ROM
>on a card in one of the slots, which is not cached by the ZIP, hence
>no problem arises.
>
>There are no slots on a IIc, so no alternative position for the No
>Slot Clock.
>-- 
>David Empson
>
>Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
>Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand


Well, the day after I typed that question, I received my Zip.  It seems to
work OK with the NSC so far.  My programs still recognize the current
time, and the computer hasn't crashed yet...


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From: FORDE@UV6.EGLIN.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re-runs??
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:08:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Is it my imagination or have a group of messages posted over the past 
couple of months been showing up again?  I could swear I'm reading messages 
that I've already been through at least once -- and I'm not referring to 
quoted replies although some of them are showing up as well.  This has 
happened in the past and was the main reason why I had to stop subscribing 
before -- I was getting nearly 500 messages a day all repeats.

Eric S. Ford
forde@uvg.eglin.af.mil
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:55:13 EDT
From: Dr. John King Gamble Jr. <JKG2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Pointless fonts for Apple IIgs?
 <1992Oct8.145315.23342@cas.org>

I simply walked up to a Mac, and copied them on to a 800K HFS disk.
Copied them to the hard drive and Pointless saw them fine.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2