From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world  
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:22:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.211716.20789@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> brs@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Blanche R. Steppe) writes:
>
> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>
>Several derogatory comments about black women that he KNOWS.  I don't care
>to repost most of his comments.  I don't care who he dates.  

I wish all black women (and men) did not care who other black men and
women dated. If that were so, I wouldn't have posted this at all.

Is that so hard to understand?


>>    that, but I've seen it. I've been called a half-nip and half-jap
>>    and all kinds of things (though I'm 100% black) for that, and it
>>    was exclusively by black women. 
>
>So you are 100% black, that means that your MOTHER is a black woman.
>I really think that it a shame that you talk about your mother like
>that.  She is one of the black women that you know, isn't she?  On the
>the other hand if she raised you, then she must be all of the shameful
>things that you said she was.  I don't blame you for rejecting black
>women, you may get one just like your mother!

She is just as intolerant about this issue if not worse. My mother is
probably capable of TEACHING others how to harass blacks who date
outside their race. I am waiting to get out of the house so I can
awaken her to reality: blacks have no right making other blacks have
to answer to them for what color their significant other is. 

And in addition, I have been around relationships where black men and
white, Asian, Hispanic or other women, have dated, and vice-versa, and
I never thought it was wrong in any way. It was not White AmeriKKKa
(as some nuts like to call it - as if the USSR's 40 million dead and
still counting, makes them a better place) that rudely awakened me to
interracial-phobia - it was Black America. Think about that. 

Those of you who make such a stink about homophobia should look at
the following ugly attitude displayed in the name of interracial-phobia: 


>>    women are utter screaming fascists when they see this. You go
>>    into a rage that is unseen in human beings, at the mention of
>>    Clarence Thomas or the words "black conservative". "Oreo," "Uncle
>>    Tom," and all that, start flying around. You'll accept Jesse
>>    Jackson despite that he is an anti-semite, because he is black.
>>    I'd hate to speak in opposition of him amidst 2 or more of you.
>
>So you are saying that black women are not "human beings".  Jesse
>Jackson praises black women.  I have never heard him say anything
>derogatory about us.  Even dogs like people who are nice to them,
>rather than the people who kick them around.

Again, the ignorance and dismissal of the fact that he is an
Anti-Semite. It was an example I cited of the monolith-ism of the
black movement, that does not take other ideas into account, and often
does not tolerate other ideas. 

I catch hell for not respecting Jesse Jackson, even after I remind
these people that he has insulted Jews and has made Anti-Semitic
statements. But I also give hell back. 

And yes, your analogy about dogs is right: Don't forget it the next
time a black man turns down black women and starts dating
interracially because, simply put, he is tired of being kicked around.
And, for that matter, black women who are tired of being kicked around
by disrespectful men, should not have to answer to anyone for it. 


>Sometimes people want steak and all they can get is hamburger.  So they
>decide that they don't like steak.  In other words, they knock what
>they can't have.  Enjoy your hamburger, since you don't deserve steak.

What proof do you have that black women are like steak and all other
women are like hamburgers? Whatever steak I was having before when I
dated black women, it was bad for my health. I'm doing a whole lot
better now with who I am dating, and THAT is all that matters. 

Telling someone that they should marry intra-racially, is as
illogical, phobic and bigoted as saying that someone should always be
hetero. It is a strident disregard for freedom, and as strident a
disregard for one's freedom of lifestyle choices as Dan Quayle ever
was in the Murphy Brown debacle he got himself into. 

Oh, I forgot. When blacks do it, it is not disregard. It's okay then.
Why in the world did I forget that rule.. 


>>you if you don't bother us. Bother us, and you'll get very badly
>>disrespected, and we'll be waiting when you send your big, ugly, ape
>>brothers and fathers to punish us for not conforming. Do them a favor
>>and do not send them after us.
>
>Do you really think that any decent black brother or father would want
>you to date their sister or daughter?

Yes. If they are decent, they respect the right of Americans to marry
who they want, without having to answer to others because of the color
of their skin. If their daughter or sister is that way, I'll date her.
I have no more problems dating than the average black man. I don't
have the charm or ability to be a player, but I don't lack for
relationships. 


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