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From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: We're off (to Chamonix)!!!
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:05:03 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

For two weeks, staying in (I believe) some hotel called Chamonix-Sud.
If you spot us there or on the slopes, come up and say hi.  How to
recognise us?

Well, I'm about 5'11", skiing Rossignols, in gold Oakleys (weather
permitting), dark long hair and short beard (with grey patches).  Main
identifying feature is my short blue-green Nordica jacket, which I've
got plastered with sew-on patches from assorted French and New England
ski resorts.

Ann is a bit shorter, skis on some sort of fancy white things.
Platinum blonde, shocking pinkish sort of ski jacket (Force 9, I
think).  She's got poles with pink fluorescent footprint baskets
(because she lost a basket in Tignes a few years ago, and those silly
ones were the only replacements we could find in the shops).

Don't bother trying to reply to this, cause I'll be on my way by the
time you read it.

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
From: andyw@meaddata.com (Andy Welter)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: ACL Tear, need advice.
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:22:11 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andyw@meaddata.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: geronimo.meaddata.com


In article 25519@vexcel.com, tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer) writes:
>
>Greetings all,
>
>I recently blew out my ACL and went to see a well recomended Orthopedist.
>He informed me that that particular ligament can heal itself, and 
>barring cartlige damage shouldn't require surgery.  
>
>I just wanted to get the net.opinion on this statement.  Has anyone
>else done this and successfully recovered without surgery?
>
>I'd appreciate any info that can be provided.
>
>Thanks, (in pain)
>
>Tom.
>

I tore my left ACL 4 years ago.  At first I tried to see if I could live
with it by using a custom anti-rotation brace when playing sports.  Found
out that it was no where near stable enough, so I had it fixed with
the patela ligament graft technique.

I have had no problems since the surgery (3 years ago), and would highly 
recomend getting yours reconstructed.  Obviously I'm not a doctor, but
if your ACL is torn, not just sprained, I don't think it will ever heal
by itself... You may want to get a clarification of what your doctor 
said about an acl healing itself. (and maybe a second opinion).

When you hear ACL surgery stories from people, make sure you find out
when they had theirs done.  INCREDIBLE advances are being made.  5-10
years ago, reconstruction would require 1-2 months on your back, and
6 months on crutches etc.  When I had mine done, they had me on my feet
the next day, and off crutches in a month or so.  From what I understand,
things have advanced even more, and the recovery time is steadily droping.

It will be painful surgery and recovery, but it was well worth it for me.

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mckellar@walrus.encore.com (Steve McKellar)
Subject: Re: Wachussett conditions since rain on Sunday
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: ne
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:54:53 GMT

In article <108274@bu.edu> selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick) writes:
>
>What's Wah-Wachusett's conditions like since the rain on Sunday night?
>Is it worth going there?
>-Steve


I was there this morning (1/26). They had all but one trail open, and they
were blowing snow on just about everything, including me. :-(

Conditions were reasonable, considering recent weather. I skiied the summit
trails, and all but one were in good shape. They've obviously been making
lots of snow & grooming the heck out of the mountain.

I'd say it's worth the trip. Especially if tomorrow's storm turns out like
we all hope!


steve
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jrawles@leland.Stanford.EDU (jody rawles)
Subject: Bay to Mammoth -- How Long?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 02:34:50 GMT

Could someone tell me how long of a drive it is from
the Bay Area (Palo Alto) to Mammoth Mt. Ski Resort.
I am scheduled to go there for a week in February and
I've never been.  I assume the fastest way is 50 to
395, but, roughly, how long does it take, and what are
road conditions like?  Plus, if you've been there
lately, what are the ski conditions like?

Thanks for information, 
-- 
Jody M. Rawles			email: jrawles@leland.stanford.edu
Stanford University 		voice: (415) 858-3914
Stanford, CA 94305 USA		fax:   (415) 493-4901
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: speedy@speedy.demon.co.uk (Jeffrey Holdgate)
Subject: Verbier, Switzerland - conditions in late March? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Jeffrey Holdgate Associates
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:02:12 +0000


In article <1993Jan22.121046.8526@lin.foa.se> eriks@lin.foa.se writes:

>
>acooper@nuustak.csir.co.za (Antony Cooper) writes:
>
>>Hi All!
>
>>Ideally, I'd like an accurate prediction of the snow conditions, for the
>>last two weeks of March, for the area around Verbier in Switzerland, but
>>according to the FAQ one should not ask such questions!  :-)
>
>How very true! :-)
>
>>Seriously, though, what are the snow conditions there now? In general,
>>would they improve or get worse by the end of March? Living in a hot,
>>Southern Hemisphere country, I have no experience with European winters!
>>How crowded are the slopes likely to be around that time of the year?
>
>Verbier right now isn't very good. Tho' the condtions could change enormously
>til march. The slopes are likely to be rather crowded. You could always drive
>to Chamonix (my all-time favourite). Takes about an hour - an hour and a half.
>
>>There has been some discussion here about the merits of radar reflectors
>>and radio beacons. I am a rank beginner, having skied only once (at
>>Loveland, Colorado), so I will confine myself to the marked pistes. Are
>>such devices necessary for a skier such as myself? What about insurance
>>to cover the need to be casavaced-off by helicopter?
>
>I don't think you'll need neither beeper nor radar reflector if you stay on> the
>prepared slopes. There is fun skiing in Verbier when you get up high, to that
>plateau at 3000 meter, the name I have naturally forgotten.
>
>cheers
>--
>
>     Erik Svensson
>    Research Officer            National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
> Guided Weapons Division        Stockholm, Sweden      eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se
>
>"The problem with the future is that it keeps turning into the present"
> -- Hobbes
>
>
The conditions in March in Verbier would normally be uncrowded with ggod snow
conditions. You should not require Off Piste survival Kit if you SKi on the
Piste. Conditions Now (as in all the Alps) are bad, They should improve
by March. I've Skied Verbier in APril with great conditions. Have fun
J.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: K2
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:45:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.181105.28938@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>pggreen@juliet.caltech.edu (Green, Peter G.) writes:
>
>We just saw the movie "Alive", it had stellar scenery.  I don't
>know where it was filmed, but I would guess some combination of
>Andes & BC.

It was BC.  One of the big Heli-outfitters up there got a pretty good deal
out of it, three+ weeks of lodging, helicopter transport, plus technical
support (avalanche and weather experts, etc.) for over 150 film-crew.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: joeb@uswmrg.mrg.uswest.com (Joe Bushinski)
Subject: Re: Skiing at Steamboat
Organization: USWEST Marketing Resources
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:09:54 GMT

>William T. Blake (wtb@sgfb.ssd.ray.com) wrote:
>: We are planning a trip to Steamboat for the week of St.
>: ...Stuff deleted.
>
>In article (Spuds McNelly) replys:
>I fail to see what relevance the current conditions (mid January) have
>...... Stuff deleted

Hey, lighten up a little. The guy also asked for opinions of the place, all
you offered was critisizm. I'm sure this person is looking forward to his ski
vacation. 

William,
  I think Steamboat is one of Colorado's nicer ski areas. The only fault
  I would have with it is it's lack of wide open greens for the less
  experienced skiers. They have some of the most challanging black diamond, and
  some of the niftiest cruising blues anywhere. Billy Kid often makes
  appearances at noon. The Nastar course is one of the toughest. The town
  itself is a lot less snooty than either Vail, or Aspen. In March the snow
  will most likley be in the 200 - 300 inch total snowfall range. I'm not sure
  what that amounts to in base, but I am sure that you'll have plenty of snow
  to ski on. They seem to have lifts everywhere. Everywhere you turn there is
  a lift. You won't find many deals on ski lifts other than what the ski area
  itself offers in multiple day tickets. I hope you enjoy your stay at
  Steamboat.


Joe Bushinski
U S WEST MRG (Publishing)
Littleton, Co
303-784-2864

/* I am Neither for Nor Against Apathy */


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:14:59 GMT

I would like to change one thing in my previous post.  When I said "all skiers
should realize that they can never be Alberto Tomba", I should have said
"most skiers..."  Thought I'd clear it up before I get flamed too much <grin>.

-Bob
From: dsb@gtx.ummed.edu (Douglas S. Bowman)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Snowmobiling/helicopter skiing in Summit County ?????
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:05:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Massachusetts Medical Center


	
2 questions:
	1) Snowmobiling in Summit County ?
	2) Helicopter skiing in Summit County ?

   Does anyone have any advice/info on places to do either ?
I'm am heading out there with a group of 11 people at the
beginning of March and am checking out the possiblility of
done one of these.
	Any info would be great...prices, names of places,etc..
	Are there good conditions for both these ?

Thanks for any info...
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bsugars@nereid.sal.ists.ca (Benjamin Sugars)
Subject: Snow Retention Factor
Organization: Space Astrophysics Laboratory, ISTS, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 22:17:03 GMT

I was just reading a recent Ski Canada article about Mont-Ste-Anne,
Quebec, which stated that the mountain "boasts the highest snow
retention factor of *any* Eastern resort: 33.1%, compared to 4% for New
England areas."

What does this mean?  The article says it refers to the "amount (of
snow) remaining after a snowfall", but I find it hard to believe that
96% of the snow that falls on Vermont melts the same day.

BTW, what would be the SRF for western resorts?

Later,
-Ben.
From: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Wachussett conditions since rain on Sunday
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:49:49 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: selick@csa


What's Wah-Wachusett's conditions like since the rain on Sunday night?
Is it worth going there?
-Steve
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:39:26 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

M.D. (Mike) Wieda (%MikeW@canc.byu.edu) wrote:
: tooth-paste: Somewhere I heard that this works as a fog inhibitor, but I 
:              haven't tried it yet.

   Someone has gotten anti-fogging mixed up with cleaning and scratch removal.
Toothpaste is a mild abrasive and is supposedly useful for removing scratches.

   For anti-fogging the recommendation on rec.motorcycles is Lemon Pledge.
I haven't tried it myself, but if you happen to have some around the house
already it's worth a shot. . .
--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* Computing Center at Virginia Tech, not Vermont ----------------------^^     *
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bhg@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Barry Gilbert)
Subject: Re: ANYONE EVER WORKED....
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:43:59 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta

In <eauu018-200193020539@714-725-3168.nts.uci.edu> eauu018@orion.oac.uci.edu (Glenn Kaino) writes:


>... in a resort for a seasonal job?  Im a student at U.C.Irvine and was
>thinking about trying to get a job at some ski resort for the winter next
>year... I was wonderin how any off you previously employed went about
>geting your jobs... Was it as simple as resume in the mail? and how was the
>work?

>thanks

>Glenn Kaino
>eauu018@orion.oac.uci.edu

     The best way to land a job at most resorts is to show up in late summer
     or early fall and canvas the whole place. Myself and a buddy did this 
     at Breckenridge the year after we graduated college, and we were able
     to latch on to maintenence jobs at the Peak 9 Restaurant. Free place
     to stay (under the restaurant at the top of the mountain), free food
     and beer (got real sick of that wretched chili, but the Coors never ran
     out), and season passes. We shoveled the decks and prepped the kitchen 
     every morning, and then skied all day, EVERY day. We got 125+ days in
     that year, and enjoyed first tracks with the patrollers many times. It
     was powder/bumps/corn heaven... If you have to resort to just sending
     a resume, it's still worth a shot. It will be a winter to remember.
     for the season and they need people who can commit to the whole winter.
From: graaff@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Hans de Graaff)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for European skiing...
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:31:54 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology

In article <1993Jan26.015843.6220@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <93025.174139KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET> Karl Keyte
><KKEYTE@ESOC.BITNET> writes:
>>Would any of you be interested?

I wouldn't. There just isn't enough traffic on skiing in europe to
warrant a new newsgroup. Also, a lot of the stuff isn't specific to
either the States or Europe, so it would have to be cross-posted or
something.

>2) start it under on the existing European hierarchies like de or sub or fr or
>what ever the Swiss hierarchy is, or eur.

The best option for this would be the eunet.* hierarchie, but I don't
know about their rules for creating new groups.

Hans
-- 
Hans de Graaff                  | I want someone to follow,
J.J.deGraaff@IS.TWI.TUDelft.NL  |   who doesn't lead the way
Department of Informatics       | I want someone to listen,
Delft University of Technology  |   who won't repeat what I say
From: panageas@protocol.zycad.com (Sam Panageas - 8/7/92)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: K2 EXTREME skis for sale
Date: 26 Jan 1993 15:55:25 -0500
Organization: Protocol, a Division of ZYCAD Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: panageas@protocol.zycad.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: beer.protocol.zycad.com
Keywords: Skis for sale


In article <Jan26.200010.37671@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, johnc@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (John Cooley) writes:
|> In article <1k3m51INNmav@badboy.protocol.zycad.com> panageas@protocol.zycad.com writes:
|> >
|> >I have a pair of K2 "EXTREME" skis with GEZE G95 bindings for sale.
|> >They have been used only once.  Great all around ski,  and lot's of
|> >fun in the bumps.  Looking for $460.00 or b.o. for the package.
|> 
|> Much as I hate to burst anyone's balloon, I think this is too much.  They
|> may have been used only once, but they aren't new.  I bought a pair of
|> Extremes with Marker M48 bindings, all brand new, from a ski specialty
|> shop (as opposed to a general sporting goods discount store) for less than
|> the price quoted above.  The price I paid included mounting by an experienced
|> technician and a new ski tune.  Of course, the bindings were adjusted to my
|> boots.
|> 
|> The Extreme is an excellent ski which rewards good technique with very nice
|> response.  They work well on icy steeps and in bumps and crud.  They are
|> not terribly good cruisers.  If you sit on the tails, they'll make you work
|> hard.
|> 
|>             John Cooley
|> 

I bought these skis for $510.  I thought knocking off $50.00 was resonable.  I did 
mention best offer.  If anyone is interested in making an offer I'm willing to
listen.  By the way, the skis were mounted by an experienced technician and I don't
know what you mean by a new ski tune.  Is that similar to a dealer prep charge
for a new car?  I never heard of new skis needing a tune.  Who knows, the skis
that you purchased were used. 

I did forget to mention that the skis are 204cm in length.
From: pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing in Southern Sweden/Norway
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:06:32 GMT
Reply-To: pasand@Mari.Unit.NO (Per Annar Sandaune)
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan21.154101.414@uts.uni-c.dk>, malcolm@cm2f.uni-c.dk (Malcolm Brown) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> I have been posted to Copenhagen by my company, and I would like 
|> to do some skiing. Since Denmark doesn't have any snow I thought of
|> Southern Sweden or Norway.
|> 
|> Can anyone give me recommendations of good places for cross country or
|> downhill skiing not too far from Copenhagen, which could be reached for 
|> a weekend trip. 
|> 
|> 	Thanks,
|> 
|> 		Malcolm
|> 
|> 
|> 


Norway:   Very little snow in the lowlands and by the coastline, but more than plenty of snow in the mountains.  In fact, most of the roads connecting eastern and western Norway were closed last week, some of them with snow levels of 4-5 meters or more!

Most norwegian ski resorts have good facilities for both alpine and cross country skiing, Examples: Norefjell (near Oslo), Hemsedal, Lillehammer, Geilo, Voss, Trysil, to mention some of them.

If you contact a travel agency near you, they'll probably have more information than I can provide.  Good luck!


Per Annar Sandaune
Dept. of Marine Technology
The Norwegian Institute of Technology
Trondheim, Norway.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: karner@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner)
Subject: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Originator: frank@karner.austin.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:08:19 GMT
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division


In article <1993Jan25.190356.21397@nas.nasa.gov>, leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum) writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.133323.28257@bmerh85.bnr.ca> paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter) writes:
> >In article <1993Jan23.021800.15842@nas.nasa.gov>, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
> >|> In article <1993Jan22.005440.10469@wam.umd.edu> bgohari@wam.umd.edu
> >|> (Babak Gohari) writes:
> >|> Helmets: that frequently raised topic:
> 
> This is just too ridiculous.  If you look at the accident statistics for
> skiing, it's somewhere between volleyball and table tennis.  Why are we 
> talking about "a solution" when there isn't even a problem?  If you're a
> paranoid hypochondriac, then go ahead and wear a helmet, but I for one
> refuse to have my vision and hearing obstructed by a safety device designed for
> people who go straight down empty mountains at very high speeds, this is like
> wearing a seatbelt when riding a motorcycle.
> 
> 
> Leo Dagum

Isn't the analogy: Wearing a helmet when riding a motorcycle more
appropriate?  In this state it is compulsory...  You don't think
they're helpful?  Ask Gary Busey for his opinion on the subject.

One cannot assume that all accidents that affect the head are
caused by schussing down the mountain out of control.  I had a very
close call a few weeks ago, and definitely will look for a helmet in the
future.  You got to protect the 'ole coconut', you know.
-- 

         DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this posting are mine
            solely and do not represent my employer in any way.
       F. A. Karner AIX Technical Support | karner@austin.vnet.ibm.com
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: We're off (to Chamonix)!!!
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:28:28 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <1993Jan22.180503.24722@bristol.ac.uk> P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>Ann is a bit shorter, skis on some sort of fancy white things.
>Platinum blonde, shocking pinkish sort of ski jacket (Force 9, I
                                                       ^^^^^^^
                                                       Degre 7, in fact...

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:19:33 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Keywords: Help me!

After some amount of fussing with various answers to the glasses / goggles
fogging mess, I broke down and bought a pair of Uvex's goggles with the
built in fan. Pretty complete solution, if a touch drastic, from the 
expense side, but I figure I ski enough that I'd rather spend time skiing
than mucking about with fogged glasses or goggles. "Cat Crap" yes, it's
called that helps, as a similar waxy goo called "c-clear" which REI carries.

The Uvex fan goggles are a lot less obtrussive than the Scott's with the
external power pack on the strap (Which I found pinched and bounced against
my head) and have the advantage of running on plain AAA batteries. The 
battery hatch design is capable of being opened with gloves on, or with
practice with mittens. I've found that one needs to cycle batteres from
goggles to warm interior pocket only on seriously cold days (5F and below,
I'd say, certainly not until you hit single digits. In general, I can run
the fan for a short while to dry out the whole system and flip it back off.
Only in heavy wet snow while working up a major sweat have I normally
had them on for more than about 2 minutes.

My pair's over four years old and going strong. 

I've no financial relationship with Uvex other than as a satsified
customer.

-- 
David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana
From: brandt@cs.unc.edu (Andrew Brandt)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Dynastar Course 'shock absorber' replacement
Date: 25 Jan 1993 10:54:01 -0500
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
NNTP-Posting-Host: axon.cs.unc.edu
Keywords: dynastar, shock, fix, 800

I have a pair of Dynastar Course Carbon CS skis which that little red
globule on the tip.  I believe this was designed to damp vibrations.

Well, this weekend one of these 'shock absorbers' flew off my ski and
I lost it (it is 3 parts: the top soft cover, the inner metal disk,
and the bottom fastener/screw). 
I bought the skis used from a friend who also had lost the tip before
and told be that they were permanently fixed.

Does anyone know where I can get this replaced/repaired?
Is there a phone number for Dynastar that I could call?

Any help would be appreciated.
Thx, Andy
(brandt@cs.unc.edu, bagel@ucsd.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing