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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:32:21 MET
Reply-To:     Gerbert Haselager <U212230@HNYKUN11.BITNET>
From:         Gerbert Haselager <U212230@HNYKUN11.BITNET>
Subject:      multivariate contrast test

Hello experts,

I have some question about an application of manova. This is the
(core of) my situation:
MANOVA D1 TO D6 BY IV (4)
    /WSFACTORS = SCALE (6)
    /WSDESIGN
    /DESIGN
The six dependent variables "D1 TO D6" are six different scales,
measured at the same time.
My aim is to decide wether IV-level 3 differs from IV-level 4 or not.
I found and overall multivariate effect on IV, and a significant inter-
action between IV and SCALE. The IV-effect was also found in some, but
not all, univariate tests on the scales. I explored univariate contrasts
using Scheffe's tests in procedure ONEWAY. The resulting picture was
fuzzy, some of the relevant contrasts were significant, others were not.
What I need - I think - is a multivariate-contrast-test for my between
subject factor (IV), something like a multivariate variant on the
Scheffe-test. It must be a test for the contrast on a pair of levels of
a factor, given two more other levels, on six dependent variables
simultaneously. How can I do this with MANOVA or any other procedure,
preferably in SPSSX (v 4.0 on CMS v 8.0)?
Some additional information:
-- I tried using CONTRASTS (IV) = SIMPLE (4) but discovered that effects
of contrasts were not reported separately. My local support specialists
stated that this strategy cannot be used for between subject factors,
but I still do not understand the reason. What are your comments on
this?
-- I considered using SELECT IF IV = 3 OR IV = 4, before running the
MANOVA. In this way I can test the difference between this two levels,
but this test is then performed in a not aselect sample, and
therefore not acceptable. Am I right?

I'm looking forward to your opinions.

Gerbert Haselager


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Drs. G.J.T. Haselager,
Department of developmental psychology, Catholic University of Nymegen
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From:         "R.A.Reese" <R.A.Reese@SEQUENT.CC.HULL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: finding their last answer (fwd)
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Copy of individual reply.
Forwarded message:
> To: Hessels@nl.EUR.FSW.SOA
>
> The crude way will work. Unless you have millions of cases I can't
> see a reason for looking for a more sophisticated answer, since you
> can write the following code in seconds using a text editor (e.g., review)
> and the computer-time saved by a better solution would be greatly
> exceeded by your time lost.
>
> compute answer=var1.
> if (not missing(var2)) answer=var2.
> if (not missing(var3)) answer=var3.
> if (not missing(var4)) answer=var4.
>
> etc.
>
> --
> (R.) Allan Reese        Janet:          r.a.reese@uk.ac.hull

Sorry Murph, but you're answer looks like the standard exam answer -
the correct answer to another question.  However, it's quite likely
that the original user wants both pieces of information: WHICH was
the number of the last response and what was its VALUE.  Looking
again at the question I realise that I'd assumed that non-responses
had been coded MISSING, but it looks implicit, i.e., sample data would
list something like

   var1 var2 var3 var4 var5 var6 var7 var8 var9 var10 var11 var12 var13
    .     .   .    1    .     .    .    .   .     .     5     .     .
    .     8   .    .    .     .    3    .   .     .     .     .     .
    .     .   .    .    .     .    .    .   .     4     .     .     .

and the user wants

   answer
     5
     3
     4

Allan.
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Thank you all for helping us pick out the last valid answer in a series of 13
variables. It all comes down to Murph Sewall's solution which you can find on
the list. In SPSS/PC it means writing 13 IF statements.

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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:28:37 EDT
From:         jacqueline van willigen <JVANW01%UKCC.uky.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: FURNITURE
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              10 Nov 1992 23:10:02 EDT from
              <sjt1%Ra.MsState.Edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Do not box yourself in, remember your feet!  You will want easy access to all t
he tasks you have to do, like help with the copy machine, etc.  We like our cou
nter with a computer shelf behind it, even though we have to look up at our pat
rons or rise to hear them.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:24:20 EDT
From:         Anita <SAMUELA%DUVM.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: FURNITURE
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              10 Nov 1992 23:10:02 EDT from
              <sjt1%Ra.MsState.Edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
A year or so ago, I went to visit the jr. college where my husband worked.  Of
course, the first place I went was the library.  I am still talking about the
reference desk.

The desk was a modular island in the middle of the room.  One side faced the
front door and all areas -- cd stations, reference collection, reference tables
, vertical files -- were visible. The sides of the "desk" were about 4 1/2 feet
high.  Inside the module was a complete work station: a Macintosh, desks,
ready reference, etc.  It was this librarian's idea of an ideal environment.
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:06:47 EDT
From:         KINGH%SNYSYRV1.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject: Re: Public Librarians???
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
One of the participants at our local 3Rs council identified an interesting
need -- self-education about other libraries.
        Some of the questions she considered important for us to know follow:
        Who funds our library, when?
        What services do we provide?
        What services are we cutting when our budgets are cut?
        What's our structure?
        What concerns us?

One of the resons we need to share this type of information with each other
is to build alliances which can bring our needs to the attention of legislators.
In union there is strength  ...  divided we fall.

Hannah King
SUNY HSC Library at Syracuse
kingh@snysyrv1
kingh@vaxc.cs.hscsyr.edu
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:34:09 EDT
From:         "Katy Silberger" <JWEZ%MARISTB.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Lurkers -- ROMS???
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Why not call lurkers ROMS -- " Read-Only Members"

(Its been a long day)

Katy Silberger
jwez@maristb
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:54:03 EDT
From:         SPOBER%MANVAX.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Re: Last Comments on Lurkers
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Oh come now.   You really think that "wallflower" is less negative
than "lurker"?  Here's the relevant definition from one dictionary:

	"A person, expecially a woman, who does not participate
	in the activity at a social event because of shyness or
	unpopularity."

At least "lurker" implies that the people labelled as such are
not participating from their own choice, not because they are
being shunned by the active list participants!

Stacy Pober			spober@manvax.bitnet
Manhattan College Libraries	spober@manvax.cc.mancol.edu
From: PARSONS%FAUVAX.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu (Gary Parsons)
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Subject: Re: Public Librarians???
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:12:40 GMT
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    Are the jobs the same??  I wonder.  Public librarians seem to
    tend more toward giving simple factual answers.  The scope of
    purpose for academic refrence librarians is different.
    The main purpose of academic reference is to teach and instruct
    and show your partrons how to do it for themselves.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:27:44 EDT
From:         Maggi Joseph <1LIMXJ%UTSAVM1.BITNET@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: FURNITURE
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
On the question of desk vs counter height my experience suggests that
patrons are much less intimidated by a counter height service point
and as a service provider I prefer to be eye to eye with a patron.
When we had a Reference desk at desk height lots of patrons did not
sit down to talk to you and it was awkward to talk to someone who
was looming over you.  It does seem like it might be useful to have
a lower height counter area for wheel-chair bound patrons.  I would
advise consulting with a large sample of the wheel-chair bound on
their perceptions before making a judgement.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ Margaret A. (Maggi) Joseph                +
+ Assistant Director for Public Services    +
+ UTSA Library                              +
+ University of Texas at San Antonio        +
+ 6900 N. Loop 1604 West                    +
+ San Antonio, TX  78249                    +
+ EMAIL: 1LIMXJ AT UTSAVM1.BITNET           +
+ FAX: (512-691-4571)                       +
+ PHONE: (512-691-5509)                     +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ The ideas expresed are not those of the   +
+ UT System, UTSA, or its lackeys; they are +
+ mine, all mine. MAJ                       +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:22:16 EDT
From:         jacqueline van willigen <JVANW01%UKCC.uky.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Re: No Reference Desk
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              6 Nov 1992 14:10:50 EDT from
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
The best reference service I ever saw was at the library in Salt Lake for geneo
logical research.  There was a desk, but they had roving people who were obviou
sly workers, asking, to help people.  My students would love that!
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:23:42 EDT
From:         Diane Kovacs <DKOVACS@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: reference standards

Larry,
Thank you.  I do agree with your criticism, but its my job to keep things
on a more or less unemotional level.
Cheers!
Diane
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From: LIBHTK@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Thomas Keays (Syracuse University))
Subject: Re: HYTELNET
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 12:24:59 EST

In article <9210231614.AA10304@zimmer.csufresno.edu>
zane_clark@csufresno.edu writes:
 
>     I would like to know if anyone has compared HYTELNET with LIBTEL
>or LIBS, Mark Resmers excellent program.  I have access to both LIBS
>and LIBTEL so would HYTELNET offer anything new?
 
There is some confusion about different versions of hytelnet:
it started life as a IBM PC program - I think that most of the
discussion has centered on that version.  As was correctly stated,
it does not have the ability to make the telnet linkages that
libtel or libs can do.
 
However, Earl Fogel has written a version of hytelnet that can use
the PC datafiles (so that part doesn't have to be redone) and run
them on mainframes.  I have it mounted on our SUNOS UNIX machine
here at Syracuse University.  I believe that it also comes in a
VAX VMS flavor as well.
 
More recently, a version (again by Earl, I believe) for Macintosh
computers has come into existance.  That version _WILL_ complete
the telnet linkages if the Mac is hooked into the Internet
(EtherNet running MacTCP) - otherwise, it is very much like the
IBM PC version. It even uses the IBM PC's original datafiles.
 
Because of its portability to all of these platforms, I like
hytelnet the best.
 
 -- Tom Keays  <libhtk@suvm.bitnet> or <libhtk@suvm.syr.edu>
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:15:40 EDT
From:         Lynda Williams <williams%cnc.bc.ca@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Some general observations
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Public access to databases certainly ought to be a concern of
librarians.  If not, universal access will suffer as information
migrates from print to electronic forms.  Certainly commercial
vendors already have a head start.
There are organizations devoted to free public access to
electronic information.  And there are librarians compiling
databases for access via internet.  As a cause, however, I
believe the issue is still in its infancy.
Most libraries see electronic access as an "extra", which
is vulnerable to pressure from shrinking budgets.  I think
we have to start seeing it as an alternative, in some cases.
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Subject: (UPI) Library attacked for buying Madonna's Sex book

Copyright 1992 by UPI.  Reposted with permission from the ClariNet
Electronic Newspaper newsgroup clari.clari.local.texas,clari.news.sex.
For more info on ClariNet, write to info@clarinet.com or phone
1-800-USE-NETS.

 HOUSTON (UPI) -- The president of Citizens Against Pornography says
she plans to file a complaint with the City Hall to protest the Houston
Public Library ordering of four copies of Madonna's controversial book
Sex which contains pictures of sex poses.
 Geneva Kirk Brooks also called for the resignation of library
director David Henington.
 ``I cannot believe this. They are going to put Madonna's Sex book in
the public library,'' Brooks said. ``Who does the public library belong
to? It belongs to the people.''
 The libaray ordered four copies of the book at $49.95 each with money
provided by an anonymous donor. Two of the copeis will be used for
general circulation in the Fine Arts section and two will be used in the
Reference section, said David Bates, library spokesman. He said the book
are on back-order.
 He said despite the controversy, the book has a proper place in the
library.
 ``Madonna is a cultural phenomenon,'' he said. ``Most of what she
does is news. And our patrons would have an interest in what she's
doing.''
 Bates said the book is not pornographic. ``It's being sold legally in
mainstream book retailers,'' he said.
 Brooks, who has picketed convenience stores for selling Playboy and
Penthouse magazines, said the book violates the city's community
standards resolution that was drafted by the City CVouncil in 1978.
 ``It shows indication that she is invovled with bestiality,'' Brooks
said, referring to a photograph depicting a topless Madonna leaning over
a dog. ``What moral values does a book like Madonna's have for anybody?''
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From:         JHELMS%VUNET.VINU.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Addr: Reference Collection Development Policies
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I am a reference librarian at a state-supported two year
junior college.  I'm planning to write a reference collection
development policy for the library; I would like to get copies
of existing policies, especially those from community/junior
colleges.  If you have such a policy, I would appreciate getting
a copy.  Please send to:

Joseph H. Helms
Reference Librarian
Shake Learning Resources Center
Vincennes University (Junior College)
Vincennes, IN  47591
Jhelms@vunet.vinu.edu
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:10:12 EDT
From:         BOUCHACD%SLUVCA.SLU.EDU@Kentvm.Kent.edu
Subject:      Re: Last Comments on Lurkers
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Bravo, for your word (and words).  Choice of words, especially those used to
"label" people, (read OTHER people) is very important.  I too have never liked
the connotation of lurker.  Wallflowers is non-pejorative and rather des-
criptive besides.  Thanks.
  Celia Bouchard
  St. Louis Medical Center Library
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Subject: Media
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:19:32 GMT
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Please try to extract just the first few lines when responding. Diane Editor-Th
is-Week

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> Subject: Media

> I have some strong concerns related to how involved the
> professional librarians should be in media operations.  That
> is how involved should we be in making purchase decisions
> for hardware and software, how knowledgeable should we be
> as far as operation of various hardware formats.  My concerns
> continue  to grow with every new form of media that comes out,
> such as interactive formats.  This concern may be unique for
> my institution, in that we have people with technical backgrounds
> opposed to librarian backgrounds running the everyday operations
> in media, and being instrumental in long range media decisions.
> I would really appreciate any input on the above.  Thanks.

I am the Media Librarian at a community college.  As such I am
responsible for the selection of software ( still largely video).
 I do not get involved in the equipment or production part of
Media services, that is left to the audiovisual techs.  I think
of a/v software as another form of information just as books are
a form of information.  For that reason I believe that it is
important for me to oversee the selection process.  That being
said there are substantive and obvious differences to the
software selection process - but I view that as less important
than the focus on a/v as a source of information.
Catherine Winter
winter@camosun.bc.ca
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:16:09 EDT
From:         Bonnie Turner <turner%bradley.bradley.edu@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject:      Campbell's Shaking the Conceptual ...
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I have just received a copy of Campbell's article via ILL as we don't
subscribe to Reference Services Review.  I also agree with the criticisms
read so far - he has forgotten the patron and he doesn't really know
what reference librarians do.  (Actually my first reaction was more
on the lines of "get real" - borrowed from my teenagers.)

I agree with Mark Emmons completely - we are already doing all of
the things Campbell wants us to start doing.  Campbell seems to think
that in today's library, patrons shoudn't have to physically come
to the library to use the library and that libraries and reference
librarians are not addressing that issue.  He is wrong - there are
a number of libraries who are already providing service/information/reference
to patrons without those patrons ever stepping foot in the library.
Here at my library (Bradley University in Peoria, IL) faculty and
students can access the online catalog and a number of periodical
indexes from their offices or dorm rooms or via modem from home.
We also provide delivery service to faculty offices.  We have some
remote site students that need to have library service which we do
accommodate.  We are continuing to change and enhance the services
we provide with access not necessarily ownership and with the idea
that the library is not just a building with books but an information
service.

I would very much like to hear from the participants who go to the
conference next March in Berkeley to discuss some of these issues.
I have asked to go but my travel budget for this fiscal year does
not have the over $900 it would take to attend.

--
Bonnie L. Turner
Reference/Collection Development Librarian
Cullom-Davis Library
Bradley University
Peoria, IL 61625
309-677-2847
turner@bradley.bradley.edu