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From: lamont@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley Lamont)
Subject: Re: a non-techie view of Newton
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:43:11 GMT

Since I started this thread a week ago, it has drifted away from what my
intention was (not that thats bad).

I am curious about how the public will accept Newton.

I think we will all agree that those of us on the net are among the more
technically inclined of the population.  I would love to have a Newton but
the 50 thousand of us on the net won't make Apple even come close to
breaking even.

Will Joe Q. Public buy the Newton?  Would the person taking notes at the
zoo buy a Newton instead of a portable?  Will it really be easier for
the general public?  

This last one is probably yes in a technical sense, but will it make life
any easier to use the Newton than paper and pencil?

I think you get my drift about what I'm really wondering about -
Not whether Newton is better than a portable, but whether Netwon will have
the impact the Mac did...

Just curious,
Brad

P.S.  Personally I would love to have a Newton and if it lives up to its claims
I will be in heaven (and this from a person who cant survive without his
HP-28S).


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: SLIP for Mac
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Jul27.105130.6403@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
	<1992Jul27.211123.7598@mdd.comm.mot.com>
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:25:52 GMT

Jack> == Jack Brindle <jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com> 

 Jack> Has anyone received VersaTerm's SLIP through the upgrade program?

Yeah; I originally had 4.6.1, and got an upgrade to 4.6.2 not long after
(though I specifically called and asked about it).  Call Synergy and bug
'em some more...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Baxevanis@ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (Andy)
Subject: Re: Fax Prorams
Organization: NIH
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:14:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.153251.13804@news.nd.edu>, james.k.pinkelman.1@nd.edu (Jim Pinkelman) writes:
> 
> I bought a 2400 baud modem from ZOOM telephonics about 15 months ago.
> It sends faxes using a communications program called "Quicklink Fax".
> The program comes with the modem and both have been very reliable for me.
> The faxes are sent out at 9600 bps and come out looking better at the
> other end than normal faxes.  You can send faxes to a list of people. 
> I'm not sure
> about delayed sending capabilities.
> 
> 
> With the new version of the program and modem (Under $200) you can send
> and receive faxes.
> 
> Good Luck
> Jim Pinkelman
> 
> 
I've got the send-receive ZOOM Fax modem and it really performs well -- the
faxes do indeed come out better than using a regular fax machine.  The
program does allow scheduled sends, maintains logs, saves fax-format files
to disk, and just about everything else you'd want out of a basic fax
machine.  The program is a little klunky in places (some of the choices of
wording in the pulldown menus don't really make sense, and they like to use
"opposite wording" for on/off type things instead of check marks), but overall
has proven to be a good buy.  I got mine at Egghead for around $119, and got
a $20 rebate back from Zoom -- they seem to run this offer regularly, so if
you're not in a rush, sit tight and watch the paper.

Good luck --

Andy
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: I'm in a jam. Pls. help me decide
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:48:24 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Jul29.034952.24409@unixg.ubc.ca>, Sundar_Prasad@mtsg.ubc.ca writes:
> 
> Hiya Macphiles,
> I'm stuck in a fairly knotty problem and have to find a solution fairly
> soon. I _have_ to pick up a new Mac within the next three weeks. These are
> the options that I have:
> 1. IIci CPU 5/80 with extended kbd (no monitor) for about $150.
> 2. 4/80 Powerbook 140 for no charge.
> 3. 4/80 Powerbook 170 for about $600.
> 
> Before anyone chokes on the prices, let me explain that this is a form of
> payment for services I rendered. I am in a quandary as to which of the
> above I go for. Can I attach a colour monitor to either of the Powerbooks?
> How does the peak RAM capacity of the Powerbooks compare with the IIci's?
> The IIci is a good machine w.r.t. expansion slots, but the Powerbooks are
> snazzy machines.
> 
> I will be in a similar situation again later this December. Since Apple is
> about to release more Powerbooks and a 33MHz IIzi (from Macleak) in
> October, I don't know if taking a PB170 now and a IIzi later is better, or
> taking a IIci now and one of the 33MHz Powerbooks in December makes more
> sense.

Being able to get two of them makes it easier than trying to decide on only
one.

I would suggest getting the IIci now; if it is not fast enough, you can always
upgrade it to a Quadra 700 later.  You can't upgrade a PowerBook (yet?).
Even if the 33MHz PowerBooks don't materialize, you can still get a 140(145?)
or a 170 in December.  Choosing between the 140 and the 170 is difficult,
depending upon your desires.  Personally, I would go with the 140, if it
weren't for that screen.  I just don't like it; I'm not really enamoured of
the screen on the 170 either, but it is much better than the one on the
140.  If you can live with the 140's screen, and don't need the extra 50%
increase in speed or the math chip of the 170, I'd save the $600 and go with
the 140.  The 140 is about as fast as a IIcx (but the Icx does have a math
chip), and the 170 is about as fast as a IIci.  

The IIci can go up to 32 megs of RAM (with 4-meg SIMMs), but the PowerBooks
can go up to only 8 or 10 megs (I forget the exact amount).

Well, that's my opinon on the matter, for whatever it's worth.
From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook vs. Outbound
Summary: incompatibilities
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:25:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Atomic City

In article <36235@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> pgutierr@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Philip Gutierrez) writes:
>
>	Could anyone please give me some information/advice about
>the practical differences between the powerbook and Outbound
>notebooks.  I have technical stats but would like to get some
>personal experiences.

The Outbound doesn't work perfectly with some extremely hardware
dependent programs, like MIDI software, but Outbound is constantly 
improving their product in that regard. The machines have their
detractors and fans-- I bought a PB100 because it was half the price.

>	I plan on buying a powerbook 145 4/40 but have just heard
>of outbound and am wondering if it is worth it.

Why are you planning to buy something that doesn't exist? 



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: smw@sage.cgd.ucar.edu (Steve Welch)
Subject:   YAMQ -- Yest, Another Mac Question
Status: OR
Reply-To: "Lee D. Rothstein" <ldr@merrymeeting.mv.com>
Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:55:16 GMT

I have a logo in a Microsoft Word for Mac 4.0 doc.

I can cut it to the clipboard and put it in a McDraw II document
and everything is editable and hunky dory.

I cannot seem to find a format to save it in so that any of my
graphics tools on MS-Windows can understand it.

I am using Mac-in-DOS, the DOS application to do the floppy (1.44
MB) transfer bewteen the Mac and my DOS beast.


Here;s what I've tried and it doesn't work.

Mac Origin Tool                 MS-Windows Target Tool/Problem
==============================  ==========================================
MS-Word, Mac, native Format     MS-Word for Windows
                                    graphic/image disappears from
                                    the document
MS-Word, Mac, RTF               MS-Word for Windows
                                    graphic/image disappears from
                                    the document
MacDraw II, native format       Microsoft Draw Tool for Word for Windows
                                    tool will not recognize the
                                    file name regardless of
                                    pattern for the directory
                                    file search
MacDraw II, pict format         Micrographx Windows Draw 3.0
                                    I can import the drawing, but
                                    the image/graphics disappears
                                    and all that I get are the
                                    text titles and some font or
                                    image object information as
                                    text. 
==============================  ==========================================

Other tools that I have at my disposal are CorelDRAW! 2.0.


What's the magic incantation?

Thanks,

Lee

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Jul23.143042.14243@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
	<ewright.711925511@convex.convex.com>
	<1992Jul24.131236.4307@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:14:57 GMT

Sang> == Sang J. Moon <smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov> 

 Sang> You have never rebuilt your desktop in system 7 so you don't know
 Sang> what you are talking about.  As far as I know, there is no
 Sang> modifier key you can hold down in System 7 to rebuild the
 Sang> desktop.

Funny, I just hold down command-option while booting, and it rebuilds
the desktop *just fine*.

 Sang> So far you've given opinions without substance.  Installing software on
 Sang> a mac can be as much a chore as on a PC.

 Sang> Example: Symantic Antivirus for the Macintosh

 Sang> Installing software on a mac can take definitely much more than a few
 Sang> minutes, and just clicking on the installer is not enough.

 Sang> Example: Microsoft Word 5.0, Microsoft Excel 4.0, etc.

Ah, yes, lovely examples, Microsoft software, and a commercial virus
program.  How long does Disinfectant take to install?  How about
WriteNow or Nisus?
--
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   ``The First Amendment is often inconvenient.  But that is besides the
  point.  Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
         to tolerate speech.'' --Justice Anthony Kennedy, in 91-155
From: condyloma@apple.com (Kevin Stinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: AppleShare Question
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:35:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

> 
> In article <1992Jul28.182225.9953@news2.cis.umn.edu> Patrick Parker writes:
> >I'm running a computer lab with 15 local computers logging on and assorted
> >others that log on through the Ethernet from other zones.  My problem is that
> >students have been apparently giving out their usernames and passwords.  So,
> >lately I've been seeing two of these usernames logged on simultaneously.  I
> >know that AS3 allows you to configure to require the user to change the
> >password after xx many days, but that seems like making the hundreds pay for
> >the indiscretions of a few.
> >
> >Is there something that will disallow the logging on of someone if the user is
> >already connected?  This is quite frustrating.
> 
> I understand your frustration.  I was wondering the exact same thing.
> However, no, there is no way to disallow the logging on of someone if
> their uid is already being used...  The best thing I can recommend is
> to warn them that they can possibly lose their accounts by sharing
> logins.  After all, from a security point of view, it's in their best
> interests if they are the only ones who use the account.
> 

If you are using AppleShare 3.0, you can write an application that could detect that
a username is logged in twice and disconnect the second session with a suitably nasty 
message.

Documentation on how to use this feature of AppleShare is in the AppleShare 3.0
Developer's Kit, available on AppleLink and probably APDA.

Kevin Stinson
AppleShare Engineer
Apple Computer, Inc.

STINSON.K@Applelink@apple.com
(408) 974-0509
From: ostroff@Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: A TECHIE view of Newton (Was:a non-techie view of Newton)
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:57:10 GMT
Reply-To: ostroff@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Boyd Ostroff)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY

In article <21975@venera.isi.edu> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes:
>I look forward to the Newton for that.  Of course, I'm also a gizmo
>junkie

Maybe this is really the crux of the issue? :-)

Seriously, looks like the consensus here is that everyone wants a Newton.
I've been reading a bit about it recently and it is interesting.  However
the original article was titled a NON-TECHIE VIEW OF NEWTON and all the
posts I've seen appear to come from techies (I think that most people
that post to the net would be classified as "techies" in my experience).

Guess we'll have to wait until it hits the stores to see if "non-techies"
really want to plunk down something like $1000 for one of these things.
Personally, I could not justify that kind of expenditure for such a product
at this point.  Maybe you guys can.  Great - then I can borrow one of yours and
play around with it; maybe you'll change my mind!  Should be interesting....

.............................................................................
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...............Voice: (315) 341-2987 /  Fax: (315) 341-3394..................
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: edd701ssft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: Two questions about colour
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:03:52 GMT


Thanks to all the people who responded to my questions about
colour startupscreens pictures and backgrounds.  I received
responses from Cananda, Adelaide and quite a few from all
over America.  Internet is a great thing!

Thanks again.


Vincent,
 
Monash University,
Australia.
 
Internet Address : edd701ssft@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: kc@netcom.com (Dameon D. Welch)
Subject: Re: MacUser, Z-Mac, downloads and "Zmac Exclusive"s
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 04:57:12 GMT
Organization: Wayne's World, Inc -- NOT!
Keywords: Cell Mate, PowerOrgasm, MacUser, ZMac

In article <2A7379BD.9970@noiro.acs.uci.edu> eahg064@orion.oac.uci.edu (Kathleen Hostetter) writes:

>While on the topic, does "Zmac Exclusive" mean that it is illegal to post it
>elsewhere? I personally find it SEVERELY annoying that MacUser relentlessly
>promotes telecommunicating, YET only their very own service. (A slightly
>askewed viewpoint, true, but I find their endeavor to be journalistically 
>irresponsible, morally reprehensible and altogether icky.)

I totally agree. Basically, it's a ploy to get more people on
Compu$erve.  After 4 years of GEnie (which has reasonable
connect-based charges compared to CI$), I had to say goodbye to it.
Just too expensive for me.

>Lastly, what's the scoop on Zmac?? Exactly what services are provided, and for
>what fees?? 

You pay standard CI$ connect rates (as far as I can tell). Again, way
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.apple.newton
Keywords: Newton
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:06:27 GMT

In article <XF8coB23w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:

>byrne@cc.gatech.edu (Michael Byrne) writes:
>
>> Don't call it "alt" anything--some sites can't get alt groups,
>> and it certainly is a "comp" subject.  How about comp.sys.newton?
>
>All sites *can* get alt groups.  Some *choose* not to do so.  There is an
>important difference.

No site "chooses" to do anything.  The administrators at those sites
do the choosing.  The point is obviously "many people at various sites
can't get alt groups," which is clearly true.

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:14000 comp.sys.amiga.audio:2979 comp.sys.mac.wanted:7029
From: hoek@dutiws.tudelft.nl (P.A.J. Brijs / T.S. Hoek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.amiga.audio,comp.sys.mac.wanted
Subject: Sound conversion
Keywords: Sounds, Apple-Amiga, Virtual Reality.
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:11:15 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Delft University of Technology

Hello,

At the Delft University of Technology we are working with the Virtuality
System of W-Industries, wich is an Amiga-based platform for Virtual Reality.
Because I would like to use a lot of sounds in correspondance with the 
interaction with the system, I am trying to find a way to convert Apple
soundfiles (.snd) to Amiga sounds. We use Audiomaster on Amiga to edit sounds,
but I can not use my Apple sounds as raw material at the moment. 
Does anybody know of some kind of converter for soundfiles from Apple to Amiga?

Furthermore I have not yet been able to find an Apple application for sound-
editing, that is capable of the same things as Audiomaster. I would very much
appreciate any advice on programs that let you change sounds in a more intel-
ligent way than for instance the standard Hypercard Sound interface or Sound-
Master (and run on an Apple LC).

Hope you can help me here.
Thanks a lot!

Greetings,

	Tjeerd (pronounce like "Cheers!", just forget the "s" and add a "t!)

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:14119 comp.sys.mac.system:10550
From: max@eskimo.celestial.com (Max Pinton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Compressing fonts?
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:26:07 GMT
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

bondir@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu writes:
: >Subject: Compressing fonts?
: 
: >Is there any way to effectively compress bitmap, TrueType and PostScript Type
: >1 fonts, and still have them be accessible as needed?  I'm running AutoDoubler
: >on my system (System 7, IIsi), but it doesn't touch anything in the system
: >folder.  I have a lot of fonts on the system, and I want to add still more,
: >but they take up lots of disk space.
: 
: Suitcase II comes with a utility that compresses bitmap fonts well while 
: keeping them open for use.

	Remember, though, that System 7 will claim that these compressed
fonts are "damaged" and won't open them. Font/DA Mover will, though. You
still have Font/DA Mover, don't you?
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Powerbook, Price Club, pricing
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:42:10 GMT

In article <gH7ZNB7w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> 
> lkingsley@crd.ge.com (Lorne J. Kingsley) writes:
> > I would be very impressed if a PowerBook 100 so configured would sell for
> > "as low as $900." But then again, in the same article, they implied (?)
> > that the model 100 was toast, so this would just be Apple's way of getting
> > rid of old inventory.
> 
> I would be somewhat surprised if Apple junked the 100 so soon after launching
> it.  I'd be less surprised if they junked the 140; at the weekend I saw a
> place in London that was trying to get rid of their 140s by selling them at
> 100 prices...  It seems that everyone either wants a minimal cost, minimal
> size, minimal weight machine -- in which case they get a 100 -- or something
> as powerful as possible -- in which case they get a 170.

The July 15th Apple suggested retail price list has two models of the 100
listed--with a caveat for the dealers that it is only while supplies last,
and that the products are not eligible for stock balancing.  This means that
Apple is discontinuing the PB 100 so far as traditional authorized Apple
dealers are concerned.  Whether Apple continues to make and sell the PB 100
for sale by the Price Club and similar outlets is another question--and I
don't have an answer to that question.

> The 68030 in the 140 isn't much of a gain, because I wouldn't want to run
> virtual memory and have my hard disk spinning all the time.  And apart from
> that and a slightly larger screen, the 140 doesn't really have anything over
> the 100...  when I tried the two side by side, it wasn't really noticably
> faster.

The 68030 has a 32-bit data path, wereas the 68000 has a 16-bit path; that
makes the 68030 approximately twice as fast as the 68000 for RAM access.
If you use a RAM-intensive application, you'll see the difference.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: Gavin Adams <gavin.adams@lso.mts.dec.com>
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.apple.newton
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d1
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     <1992Jul23.192824.14109@husc3.harvard.edu>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:12:36 GMT



In article <1992Jul23.192824.14109@husc3.harvard.edu> David Fry,
fry@tara.harvard.edu writes:
>Newton is *not* a code name, it is THE real name.  The first PDA
>itself may not be named Newton, but Newton is the name of the
>technology and Newton is the name of the operating system.  And these
>are the things most people are talking about.
>
>I comp.sys.pda is a good start, but every company is going to refer to
>their products as PDAs as well, or least the users will.  I think
>comp.sys.newton is the most appropriate since that's the place to talk
>about the Newton operating system and the various Newton products from
>Apple, Sharp, Toshiba and (eventually) others.

I also think comp.sys.pda is the best choice.  I would also ammend the
charter to discuss *all* PDA's--Apple's, GRiD's, whoevers.

>
>David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.EDU
>Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
>Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
>Cambridge, MA  02138            

--- Gavin
Gone Fission.          Visualize Whirled Peas!
From: rterry@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Ray Terry)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:35:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Is DEC history???
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc

> What's really exciting is DEC's new Alpha chip...

Now if they can just get it to market (on schedule)...

Ray
From: stevewi@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Steve Witten)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:18:38 GMT
Subject: Re: symbolic algebra
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA