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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Harold's Home in series, and FWWM
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:55:12 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <18k3fjINNo46@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
>I also thought that the set up for Harold's place was compeletly
>different in the movie than it was in the series. For one thing

Yeah, now that I think about it Harold's place was almost the mirror image
of the one in the studio -- the door was on the opposite side.  That
could be because his studio set is no longer standing, so they had to go
to a location.  Or they might simply have been avoiding the standing sets
as much as possible, so they wanted to shoot on location anyway.

Either way, that's just not Harold's house.  I guess we'll have to file
that one with the mysterious way Norma's hair grew so much between the
film and the pilot.
From: rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch (Robert Michl)
Subject: Re: FWWM (Spoilers)
Keywords: mask, bob
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 12:05:26 GMT

>George D Emmons writes:
>> 6) Why was Austin (Pierre Tremond) wearing a mask? I thought the 
>>    mask was a one-time symbol of BOB, yet Austin was wearing the 
>>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  mask throughout the film.

Why? Where?  

		Robert Michl

		(rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch)

*****************************************************************
->My mother's name is Margaret (like the log Lady)
->My brother's called Dennis (remember Denise Bryson?)
->We're Twins
->I'm BOB
->and my sister - guess what ? - Laura!
Well, the last names have been changed to protect the innocent...
*****************************************************************
From: jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (J Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM - minor quibbles
Summary: Questions in a world of blue roses?
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:22:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep1.204412.18637@mdd.comm.mot.com> wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu) writes:
|In <p9efkuk@fido.asd.sgi.com> sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
|
|>In <Btv7JC.9Dz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
|
|
|>>   It seemed as if Cooper kept going back and forth between the area
|>>the camera was surveying and the TV monitor for no good reason right
|>>before Bowie showed up.  Did I miss something?
|
|>i think he sensed time slowing down, as someone else mentioned.  so much
|>that he went to the display room first, saw nothing.  went to the
|>display room a second time, saw his arm in the door.  and then went
|>to the display room a third time, and saw himself stuck there in
|>time as jeffries walked by, unhindered by time.  just a guess?

The second time I went to the movie, I watched *VERY* closely for this,
and saw no arm in the door.  Besides, even if we did see an arm, wouldn't
we be tying that scene in with the one armed man?

|He already had a dream about this.  That's why he was so concerned when
|he went up to Lynches character and said "It's 10:02 already".  He
|was expecting this to happen.

ObDirectQuoteFromFilm:  "Gordon, it's 10:10 February 16th."

|I think..
|
|Phil

One interesting fact:  We have discussed the references to WoOz, but
it seems that noone has felt that references to Alice in Wonderland/
Behind the Looking Glass would be worth the time to discuss them.


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From: n1jwr@isuvax.iastate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: episode 12
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:30:51 GMT
Reply-To: n1jwr@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa

I am sure that the answer to this question exists on some FAQ list or
somewhere, but nonetheless I am not a frequenter of this news group but
have a TP question.

What all happens in episode 12?  I know that Blackie dies and Audrey gets
rescued from One Eyed Jacks, but I want to know Details.
What happened to everyone else in the mean time?  what else transpired?
This is the only episode I cannot get ahold of.  Would someone please 
Email me a message telling what happened?  cabal@iastate.edu


I LOVE EVERYONE......  YOU'RE NEXT!
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From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks,rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Petroglyph tattoo time
Date: 13 Sep 92 12:57:44 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Sep13.123559.7497@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> Allright...here goes.
> 
> I now have two problems:
> 
> 1) I can't remember which shoulder he had it on
                                     ^^

Oops... I fofgot. For thise of you who don't know... "He" is The One Armed Man
;-)

Mike
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Second Guessing...
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:18:48 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: UnoJ's message of Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:25:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.042511.27712@cco.caltech.edu> UnoJ writes:

   Concluding remarks: I have noticed that most people who griped
   most vociferously about the movie had a whole set of expectations
   before they entered the theater.

I think this is right.  I went into the theater not expecting anything
in particular (other than the last 7 days of Laura's life) and maybe
even expecting not to like the film, given the various negative
reviews and word of mouth.  Instead, I found a movie that engrossed me
from start to end and which cast a whole new light on events I thought
I knew.

-30-
Bob
From: abbe@athena.mit.edu (Abbe J Cohen)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: "You shot Mike"
Keywords: Who?
Date: 13 Sep 92 01:20:50 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep11.042920.6214@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel) writes:
|> In article <37896@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead) writes:
|> >In article <1992Sep10.162031.17073@cco.caltech.edu> UnoJ writes:
|> >>By the way, I am not so sure that it is the same deputy as in Deer Meadow. How
|> >>are we so sure about that? I tried to look at the credits but I only could find
|> >
|> >It is clearly the same person.  Besides, the shooting script so says that
|> >we are to recognize him as Deputy Cliff.
|> >
|> >ed
|> >
|> In the series, there are drugs planted in Cooper's car which later turns out
|> to be baby laxative. They find baby laxative at Dead Dog Farm in the sink
|> and supposedly in a cut scene from the movie, Bobby and Laura are supposed
|> to find out the drugs they got from Deputy Cliff were baby laxative. How
|> are these events related? Were the sherriff and deputy in Deer Meadow
|> connected to Jean Reneault like the Candian Mounty was and involved with the
|> drug trafficing? Who was the "uncle" that Agent Desmond mentioned that was
|> in Federal Prison (said it was the sherrif's Uncle.) Was that what they were
|> hiding? That they were a part of a drug ring or were they hiding something
|> about the Theresa Banks murder? What was the purpose of the baby laxative? So
|> they could get the money and keep the drugs? And why did Deputy Cliff try
|> to kill Bobby? From instructions from Jacques?
|> 
|> -=*George*=-
|> 
|> 
I think they were definitely involved in the drug ring, not the Teresa Banks
murder.  It seems like a more likely reason for their hostile (but hysterically
funny) attitude towards Desmond and Stanley and the FBI in general.  Also, it
would be the kind of thing that a stupid small town sherriff would get involved 
with, given the high amount of drug smuggling from Cananda.
From: enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Set/Location Consistency (was Re: Harold's Home in series, and FWWM)
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:16:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


>     As for the Palmer house -- this is the same house that was
>     used in the pilot.  This is the same house that the soundstage
>     sets were based on.  The thing that's throwing everybody (I think)
>     is that it's no longer just a 2 dimensional, 9/10 human scale
>     set: IT'S A REAL HOUSE NOW.  

Is it?  It is not the same as the set they used for the rest of the series
at least.  Remember in 2008 when Leland is playing golf in the living room
then he answers the door to James and Donna?  The living room is to the
right as you walk in through the front door.  However in the movie,
as you walk in through the front door, the dining room is there
(remember the shot of Leland sitting at the table and Laura walking
in through the front door at the right side of the shot).

>     The Hayward house - exterior and interior - is also the same
>     from the pilot, just shot differently.

What happened to the green sofa?  I remember it being white in the series
(when BOB crawls over it to Maddy in her vision).  Lot of ferns too.

ed


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From: clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Peaks script address
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:39:56 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: classic.bbn.com

In article <31AUG92.17461019@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>Wow, I've been buried in requests for the number of the place that sells movie 
>scripts!  Two months ago I went to a Trek convention and this place was 
>selling FWWM scripts (and much other movie stuff):
>
>	PIX Poster Cellar
>	99 Mt. Auburn Street
>	Cambridge, MA  02138
>	(617) 864-7499
>	(800) 582-0085
>
>I can't verify the continued existance of this place - just tried calling them 
>and got no answer.  [...]

I went over there on Friday afternoon.  They've moved.  In fact, the
day they moved was the day you called, Mitch, so that could explain it.

They are now at 1105 Massachusetts Avenue.  Rest of the address
is the same.  That's between Harvard Square and Central Square,
in the building with Games People Play and the Dolphin
Restaurant.  Or, for the Peaks-oriented, between Banks Street
and Lee Street. :-)

I got the last copy they had, but he said they'll be getting more.

It's quite clearly a bootlegged copy of a draft script.  It has
been through at least one Fax transmission and a number of Xerox
copyings.  Still quite readable, but it would take a lot of
editing after an OCR scan.  It's 126 pages long.

It is quite a bit different from the final script.  There are
small parts for Truman and Josie, for Ed and Nadine, for Ben and Jerry
and Sylvia, and Lucy.

The Jeffries part is no bigger than in the final film, so if the rumored
long version that Bob Engels talked about actually exists it must
have been trimmed before this script.

There's a scene in the Briggs home, with Betty Briggs having a
couple of lines and Major Briggs having one line "Robert, put out
the cigarette." In the beginning of that sequence, in the Briggs
basement, Bobby and Laura discover that the big cocaine buy they
killed the deputy for is actually baby laxative.

The ending is an immature version.  No angels.  No mention of the
childhood picnic/angel picture, either, unless I missed it.  So
all that motif was added later.

Anyhow, interesting as archaeology but not a final script by any means.

Bob Clements, K1BC, clements@bbn.com
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Differnces in early script...(long?)
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:11:53 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep13.045152.26267@cco.caltech.edu> UnoJ writes:
>SPeaking of the trailer park does anyone remember whether there
>were any wires (electric or telephonic) leading to the trailer
>where agent Desmond found the ring? If this turns out to be true,
>both agents Desmond and Cooper knew a lot more about the workings
>of Lodge electricity than they ever let on......

Just saw it last night, and while I'm not sure which wires go to the
Chalfont trailer, there were two things of note:

1) The shot of Desmond crouching by the trailers is a lot darker than
the rest of the scene up to that point.  Like it was shot much later in
the day.  Not sure why.

On the other hand...

2) The first detail they pick up in Teresa Banks' trailer is a close-up
of an electric outlet.

Hmm?...
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: wiljo@kiel.uucp (Wiljo Heinen)
Subject: Re: FWWM - spoilers...
Organization: OPeN - The Digital Advantage
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:22:00 GMT

jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell) writes:

>In article <Iebumjy00WBME1vCAt@andrew.cmu.edu> Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>This is actually a list of questions I have, but will spoil a few things..
>
>>

>>7] How did both Chris Isaak and then Coop know which trailer to approach?
>>And what was the significance of the place being rented by the same guy
>>twice? (and what was that person's name?)

>I think they followed a line from a telephone pole over to the trailer.
>And I think the significance of the name was that the person who rented
>the space (Mrs. Tremond and her grandson, the Creamed Corn Kid) just used
>the old name. In other words, it was just a fake name, because it was really
>Mrs. Tremond.

As I see it, there's a little more to it (though, I don't know _what_):

In the movie, _as well as in the series_, "Mrs.Tremond" and her "Grandson"
simple use the name of the previous (resp. current) owner of their 
living place.

"Mrs.Tremond" isn't her real name: In the series, we see, that she just
uses this name (or is assumed by Donna to have that name), while residing
in the Tremond's home.

So again, there's just a parallelity to the series, Mrs.T simply uses
the name of the previous owner.

Wiljo
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From: jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (J Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Black Lodge Tarot.
Date: 5 Sep 92 14:37:16 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <la8ag4INNr7t@news.bbn.com> ingria@BBN.COM writes:
|
|Look!  It's Leland Palmer as the Hanged Man!  Cooper as the Magus!
|BoB as Death!  I just got the Ace of Coffee Cups!  (My Ghod, a Twin
|Peaks Tarot set?!?)
|

Or maybe only collectable cards?  A tarot deck with only 78 cards?

<shivver>

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---------------------------+- If we took the bones out, it wouldn't --
jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |  be crunchy, would it?  -  MPFC
---------------------------+  That is your reciept for your husband,
and this is my reciept for your reciept. - Brazil
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM: Some thoughts about thread (spoiler)
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:50:07 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <1992Sep8.201154.16918@adobe.com>, asente@adobe.com (A Usenet
Pal) wrote:
> 
> I think the thread that must be broken is another metaphor for the circle
> Mike spoke of in the series (appetite, something, fullfillment (I think)).
> It make more sense than any of the more literal theories that have been
> proposed.

Or maybe the thread of BOB possession. First Leland, and then his daughter.

May also be a reference to the apparent fact that people who were abused as
children are much more like to become abusers when they grow up than
non-abused children.

-Rich Haller
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Help, info. on down loading the TP Hypercard stuff
From: (Jeff Kunzelman)
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:12:08 -0600
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Distribution: world

In article <18pdb6INNpde@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@anableps.berkeley.edu
(S. A. Wilson) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Since I am using a Mac SE, and only possess a 1200 baud modem, I have
> to use the campus computers to download and then transfer the material
> over to disks. Now, I was able to do this with all the Mac sound files,
> but I ran into problems when trying to do the same with the Mac Hypercard
> stuff. I downloaded to the campus Mac but then could not transfer it over
> to a disk since the file was too big...Now can anyone help me, give me
> some pointers as how to get the file....Upon downloading it I checked it
> out and it I am hooked I need it to add to my Peaks collection.
> 
> Sorry for my ignorance, but can someone help me out....
> 
> And what of this new Hypercard TP Trivia thing?
> 
> 
> Sally--Sigh, can't find anyone to go see TP, so I am stuck at only
> seeing it once--A. Wilson
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> That the play is the tragedy, "Man,"  \\\\\	Sally A. Wilson
>   And its hero, the Conqueror Worm.    \\\\\	sally@mica.berkeley.edu
> ("The Conqueror Worm"			\\\\\
> from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_)		 \\\\\	Spud 	Peel


Hey whats this about A HyperCard TP stack? Where can I get it?

Jeff
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From: mking@planet10.WPI.EDU (Matthew Alexander King)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: BOB linked to Coop's mom's death?
Date: 9 Sep 1992 22:59:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: planet10.wpi.edu


The ring that was Coop's mom's and that whole scenario sounds exactly
like the scene in which Laura is dreaming and Coop says to her "don't take
the ring" and she wakes up with it, screams, and then later there is a
strange hand thing back and forth with the sound and her opening and closing 
her hand and then the ring is gone.  But she never really has the ring until
the end of the movie when MIKE gives it to her, she has the locket instead,
who is James really, where did he get the locket and if everyone has a
doppleganger who is james'.  Hey, doppleganger, twin, Twin Peaks? Cool.

Matt

Lynch, is there more than fire walking with you or what.
From: mking@lizardo.WPI.EDU (Matthew Alexander King)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: The Great Went - Duality Role Playing in Twin Peaks
Date: 14 Sep 1992 19:29:27 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: lizardo.wpi.edu



Just a quick little question.  If everyone has a double in "twin" peaks,
then who is the Log Ladies, perhaps the log or what?

Matt

Davey baby, I think you're a hOWL, your humor is not missed, hope mine 
isn't, sorry about spoilers, hope no hARM done, gee these jokes are
corny, creamed that is....
From: ntraven@wuntvor.norman.ok.us (The Night Raven)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: more question
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:40:52 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Eternal Apprentice BBS, Norman, OK

     Who exactly is Harold?  Is he the fellow that Laura gives her diary to in
FWWM?  I would have assumed it was Jacobi (who I also missed in the film)

     I would have most liked to've seen Jacobi, Ben, Catherine, Pete, and
Josie, but we can't have everything can we?  (and the scene with David Bowie
was incredible)

NR

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From: wiljo@kiel.uucp (Wiljo Heinen)
Subject: Re: FWWM - spoilers...
Organization: OPeN - The Digital Advantage
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:27:00 GMT

C491153@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu (John Schultz) writes:

>Arr, matey!  Thar be spoilers here!

>Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>3] Did they forget to put in a scene of a letter being shoved under the
>>girls' fingernails?? I *KNOW* they both had them. (Either that, or my
>>memory is way-screwed)

>I don't remember seeing this scene in the movie.  Wouldn't BOB/Leland
>had to have put the letters under Ronette and Laura's fingers *before*
>Mike gets there?  As Ronette tries to open the door, BOB beats her,
>then throws her outside and leaves her there.  Did he come back for the
>finger perhaps?


Nope. While Ronette is in hospital (in a coma) BOB visits her. The IV gets
tainted and the letter "B" (? I think ?) gets put under her fingernail.

So there's no letter under her fingernail the night, Laura gets murdered.


Wiljo
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From: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu (FLOYD)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: time in the lodge
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:16:00 GMT
Reply-To: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

Since we seem to be in agreement that time is running backwards in the lodges, does it make sense to anyone else that Mike might become evil?  I mean, the thing about Mike cutting off his arm might happen in the future in Twin Peaks, and from that point on, Mike would have two arms and be evil.  If you follow my reasoning (and few people do) the future in TP would be the past in the lodge (. . . the darkness of futurepast. . . ).

Internet address: Floyd@ufcc.ufl.edu
Bitnet address  : Floyd@ufcc
All opinions expressed are my own or mine.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Cliff Howard explained!  *FWWM SPOILER*
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:45:22 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

OK, so here's the deal on the deputy at Deer Meadow, Cliff Howard, the
one later shot dead by Bobby Briggs.

He lives at the same trailer park as Teresa, which suggests (this being
TP) a connection.

How's this for simplicity?

He's a drug dealer on the side.  He was Teresa's connection for coke, and
he is also connected to Jacques.

This would explain the Red Lady's message to Chet Desmond -- trouble with
the local authorities, from the top down, involving drugs.  Cable and his
deputies were dealing on the side, and they didn't want the Federales to
uncover too much investigating the death of one of their customers.

Sound good?  Ah, if they'd only made a separate movie about this investigation
just to uncover what was going on in Deer Meadow...
From: zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: About the ring (again) (was Re: questions...)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 10:12:19 CDT
Organization: Metatron Press / Human Systems Performance Group, Austin, TX

Edward John Sabol <es2j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> That's an interesting solution, and it even makes some sense. My main
> question is then: Why does Cooper warn Laura not to put the ring on? It
> seems to me that her final act of putting the ring on is what saves
> Laura from BOB. Sure she's dead, but it's better to be dead than the
> pawn of evil.

Not to make it seem like I'm on an incompetence kick... but what if Coop,
even in the Lodge, doesn't quite understand what the ring means either?


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