HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Subject: Re: Acorn 610 as processor/coprocessor?
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:18:40


>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Williams (bwilliam@iat.holonet.net)

Bill> re : "1)  I believe that the Acorn 610 has a 4k on chip cache."

Bill> Yeah right!

Bill> It has only 32000 transistors yet can magically support 4096 bytes of
Bill> cache RAM in the 32000 transistors... 
Bill> [...]
Bill> SOMEONE OUT THERE IS A LIAR!!!! I assume the liar is Acorn, and that the
Bill> chip has 500,000 transistors and not the 32000 transistors claimed.

Now, let's try to get this right:

 - The ARM is a CPU architecture, designed by Acorn, later sold to
   Advanced Risc Machines, a company owned by Olivetti, Apple, and
   VLSI Logic (Acorn has been taken over by Olivetti).

 - There has been a number of implementation of the ARM architecture
   developed by Acorn and manufactured by VLSI Logic (ARM 1, 2, 3).
   The ARM3 chip design has been handed over to Advanced Risc
   Machines and is the current chip used by Acorn for their Archimedes
   range.

 - ARM6 is a macro cell implementation of the ARM architecture. A
   macro cell is sort of a VLSI module, something you can take as a
   components and plug into an ASIC (Application Specific IC). It's
   *not* a chip, it's a chip modules. It's a complete CPU.

 - ARM6 has 36000 transistors.

 - You can call Advanced Risc Machines and order a ASIC that includes
   ARM6 as a component. You specify what else goes there, depending
   on what you need. Might be a UART or a MMU or video controller or
   something else. This allows Advanced Risc Machines to sell the same
   architecture to people that build industrial control electronics
   and people that build laser printers.

 - ARM610 is a specific chip build is this way, using the ARM6 macro
   cell. The ARM610 also includes a rather strange MMU that is
   supposed to be great for OO -- it has a protection system that is
   orthogonal to the paging system. I don't really understand how this
   works just yet -- I'll have to get more specs. The ARM610 also
   includes a 4 kbyte, 64 way cache. The cache is small and many-way
   to save power. The ARM610 is completely static and has advanced
   control logic that allows the clock to be changed and stopped at
   any state and other niceties to save power.

 - ARM610 does not take advantage of all ARM6 features. It does not
   support the coprocessor interface.

 - There is no such things as an Acorn 610, so I can hardly see Acorn
   being a liar in this matter :-)

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
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From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: New SPARC Classic
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:05:29 GMT

lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson) writes:
>
>Personally, I think that 3.0 on a 16 MB mono machine runs as fast as
>I could expect a machine of that price to run.  I think that 3.0 on
>a 32 MB color machine runs as fast as most users would expect a
>personal computer to run.

You want to come and use my machine? (3.0 on a 68040 cube with 32 Mb
and an ND board with its own 32Mb) Okay it runs with reasonable
performance when you do one thing at a time (i.e. typing this while no
mail arives for instance) but start a couple of compiles or get some
text scrolling in a terminal window and say bye bye to reasonable
response and hello to the puke colo[u]red cursor!
-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)
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From: halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com (Stephen E. Halpin)
Subject: Re: New SPARC Classic
Keywords: sun, classic, sparc
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:28:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.085235.628@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
 ...
>Knowledge should be as  transferable as possible throughout society. Of
>course this presumes that one has the knowledge. I simply do not feel that
>commercial operations, especially those adapting knowledge derived by
>noncommercial researchers, should make any profit at all selling to 
>universities. I knew a great guitar teacher. He produced a wonderful
>concert class guitarist. One day the guitarist returned to give a major
>concert in the teacher's home town. The teacher could not afford a decent
>ticket. I have no use for the marketing sharks which permeate society
>selling variations on themes they learnt from those they now attempt to
>make money off of.

Whats this "noncommercial researchers" stuff?  Universities retain rights
of the work of their employees just as commercial companies do.  Universities
keep the profits from the patents they license, just as commercial companies
do.  Unlike commercial companies, universities are outright given money to
do this in the form of grants (ie its funded involuntarily by those of us
who pay taxes), and they dont even have to pay a living wage to those doing
the real work (ie graduate students.)  And teaching?  Its often viewed as
a necessary evil.

>I wonder what type of society would produce such leaches on those who are
>searching for the truth. You'd probably support a dealer selling a priest
>a ND system in order to produce a newsletter.

The reality of academia is neither pure nor virtuous.  Perhaps the example
given should have been based on a television evangelist instead of a priest.

>Philip McDunnough
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu

-Steve
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Stephen E. Halpin                    halpin@vsg1.dsg.dec.com

"You might just have to waste your life just to live."  - Soul Asylum
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From: bwebster@pages.com (Bruce F. Webster)
Subject: Re: Mac CDRom on a NeXT?
Reply-To: bwebster@pages.com
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:51:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.070321.3996@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)  
writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.151159.5446@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
> 	ahouse@hydra.rose.brandeis.edu (jeremy john ahouse)
> 	writes:
> >How difficult is it to use a Mac CDRom Drive with a NeXT?
> 
> Which model drive?
> 
> [In all likelihood, only as difficult as finding a SCSI cable
>  with an appropriate connector to plug into the NeXT.]
> 

That's all it took for us. (And given the long delays in getting NeXT CDROM  
drives, I'm really glad we bought the Apple CDROM drive last year....)   
..bruce..

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From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: Mac CDRom on a NeXT?
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:03:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.151159.5446@news.cs.brandeis.edu>
	ahouse@hydra.rose.brandeis.edu (jeremy john ahouse)
	writes:
>How difficult is it to use a Mac CDRom Drive with a NeXT?

Which model drive?

[In all likelihood, only as difficult as finding a SCSI cable
 with an appropriate connector to plug into the NeXT.]

					-=EPS=-
From: grant@Manticore.COM (Grant J. Munsey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: 400 mb disk recommendations?
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:13:42 GMT
Reply-To: grant@Manticore.COM

I am looking into getting a 400 mb 3.5 in half height drive for internal
use on a NeXTStation slab. Anyone had good luck with any particular make
of drive? Like anyone else I want it to be quiet, fast, cheap, and
reliable :-).
----
Grant Munsey, Mainticore, Inc. (408)252-1135
grant@Manticore.COM,  uunet!ub-gate!gouche!grant   NeXTMail ok.
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From: claire@cubx.oleane.com  (Claire Normand)
Subject: Re: Cub'X-Window & ADB
Reply-To: claire@cubx.oleane.com
Organization: Cub'X Systemes, France.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:35:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.040139.21637@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>  
ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson) writes:
> claire@cubx.oleane.com  (Claire Normand) writes:
> 
....
> 
> >Cub'X-Window works fine with ADB keyboards, with no patch required.  
Reason  
> >for this is  Cub'X-Window keyboard mapping has been developed in order  
to  
> >follow NeXT keyboard mapping. It  strictly adapts to NeXT keyboard  
> >preferences, permitting to use all NeXT International keyboards, and  
the  
> >ADB. 
> >Cub'X-Window keyboard accepts accents and other specific letters, and  
also  
> >adapts to X requirements, such as different treatment of right and left  
> >Shift key.
> 
> 
> >Claire Normand
> >Cub'x Systemes
> >claire@cubx.oleane.com
> >(+33-1) 46 93 29 25
> 
> Yes, but does it work under NS3.0?

All Cub'X-Window units shipped today work on NeXTstep 3.0. 
If you have the previous version of Cub'X-Window for NS2.x, you can  
contact us and we will send you an upgrade (free-of-charge). 
This upgrade contains modification of a Script file, which you can also do  
by yourself, as described below :

1 - Log in as root.
2 -  Open CubXWindow.app   
3 -  In the Script directory, edit Xinstall.script 
This script checks which version of NeXtstep is running on the NeXT  
computer. If it does not recognize the number, it displays a panel
"Cub'X-Window doesn't support system release x".
All you need to do is include version number 3.0 in the Xinstall. script  
file.
4 - In the file Xinstall.script, replace numbers 2,1;2,2... by the number  
3.0 :

#
# First get the system version result is in $sysver
#
sysver=`/usr/bin/hostinfo | /bin/awk '/NeXT Mach/ { print substr($3,0,3)  
}'`
if ( /bin/test $sysver != "3.0" ) then
  /bin/echo This version of Cub\'x Window doesn\'t support system release  
$sysver 
  exit
  fi
export sysver
5 -  Save the modified Xinstall.script
6 - Rebuild Cub'X-Window and reboot the computer.


Claire Normand
Cub'x Systemes
claire@cubx.oleane.com
+33 1 46 93 29 25
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From: goes@chimera.sph.umn.edu (James Goes)
Subject: Slab and HP LaserJet IIIp/postscript - Problems???
Keywords: LaserJet, printers, postscript
Reply-To: goes@chimera.sph.umn.edu (James Goes)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: goes, NEXT-L@BROWNVM.brown.edu
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:59:51 GMT


I'm planning to purchase an HP LaserJet IIIp with a postscript cartridge to  
connect (via switch box) with both my 8/105 workstation and an IBM clone.   
Are there any known problems with this configuration?  Can anyone provide the  
correct PrintManager settings for this configuration?  Any advice or tips  
would be appreciated.  Please respond by mail as I can't always gain access  
to this group.  TIA.

*********************************************************************
Jim Goes		+ InterNet: goes@chimera.sph.umn.edu (NeXT!)
Health Mgmt & Policy	+             or goes@vx.acs.umn.edu (ascii)    
School of Public Health	+ Phone:    (612) 624-3118
University of Minnesota	+ FAX:      (612) 624-3972
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From: heller@heller.slip.uiuc.edu (Helmut Heller)
Subject: Toshiba 1.2GByte hard drive, what to look out for?
Reply-To: heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:22:55 GMT
Keywords: Toshiba MK538FB, Mac drive on a NeXT, drivers

Hello,
I just ordered (but don't have yet) a Toshiba 1.2GB hard drive (external) for  
my NeXTstation turbo. The place I ordered from is a Mac vendor and does not  
know about NeXTs. He said I would need drivers for the Next to drive the  
drive, which he can not supply.

Has anyone successfully (or not?) mounted such a drive on a NeXT?
If so, do I need special drivers and where do I get those from?
Anything to watch out for?
Any general tips/recommendations?

I have never before entered into the low level interface to a hard drive, so  
I am very innocent here.
--
Servus, Helmut  (W9/DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail preferred________________
heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu   "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" 
FAX:   (217)244-6078                      ZEN, one of BLAKES7                
Phone: (217)244-6914        -------------------------------------------------
Helmut Heller, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Beckman Institute
Theoretical Biophysics Group, Room 3143, MC 251
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.hardware:2769 uiuc.sys.next:41
From: jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John "Jeep" Todd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware,uiuc.sys.next
Subject: Re: Toshiba 1.2GByte hard drive, what to look out for?
Keywords: Toshiba MK538FB, Mac drive on a NeXT, drivers
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:36:31 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <Bxz72A.Js9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> heller@heller.slip.uiuc.edu (Helmut Heller) writes:

>Hello,
>I just ordered (but don't have yet) a Toshiba 1.2GB hard drive (external) for  
>my NeXTstation turbo. The place I ordered from is a Mac vendor and does not  
>know about NeXTs. He said I would need drivers for the Next to drive the  
>drive, which he can not supply.

>Has anyone successfully (or not?) mounted such a drive on a NeXT?
>If so, do I need special drivers and where do I get those from?
>Anything to watch out for?
>Any general tips/recommendations?

>I have never before entered into the low level interface to a hard drive, so  
>I am very innocent here.
>--
>Servus, Helmut  (W9/DH0MAD) ______________NeXT-mail preferred________________
>heller@lisboa.ks.uiuc.edu   "Knowledge must be gathered and cannot be given" 
>FAX:   (217)244-6078                      ZEN, one of BLAKES7                
>Phone: (217)244-6914        -------------------------------------------------
>Helmut Heller, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, Beckman Institute
>Theoretical Biophysics Group, Room 3143, MC 251

I just installed one in my Station yesterday.  No problems at all.  No
drivers needed, either.  What you should do first is: put it into an
external box (eg: cannibalize an old Mac hard drive power supply and cable
rig) and attach it to your current station.  You will also need a SCSI-1 to
SCSI-2 cable, since the Centronics-type cable on your Mac box will not be
compatable with the leetle-itty-bitty SCSI plug on the back of your NeXT. 
That's about $50 or so from NeXT or some other vendor.  Anyway, just plug it
into the back.  Turn on your computer.  It Just Will Work.  Actually, it'll
ask you "External Disk is Unreadable.  Initialize or Ignore?" in a little
info window.  Unless you're really fussy about how you initialize it, you
can just hit "initialize" and you're off an running.

-- 
John Todd         | University of Rochester, Rochester NY USA Earth Milky Way
CPU 276686        | "...where the skies are not cloudy all day!"
Rochester NY 14627| Jeeps Fixed, Technology Hacked, Lawns Mowed, Maidens Saved
jtod@alora.cc.rochester.edu (NeXT mail)        jtod_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
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From: e3ukjh@fnma.COM (Kevin Hegg)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM drives for NeXT - NEC InterSect 74
Reply-To: e3ukjh@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:32:23 GMT

In article 9814@vtserf.cc.vt.edu, rcw@caspian.cc.vt.edu (R. Craig Woods) writes:
>Has anyone gotten the NEC InterSect CDR-74 CD-ROM drive to work or know
>of reasons why it might or might not work?   I received NEC factsheet  
>23766 from the NEC FastFacts FAX (800-366-0476) on the drive.  It  
>indicates the drive supports High Sierra, ISO 9660, and Apple HFS, but I  
>did not see RockRidge.   

Yes, it works.  I used an NEC Intersect CDR-74 to upgrade my NeXT to 3.0.


---
Kevin Hegg                       Internet: e3ukjh@fnma.com
Fannie Mae                       Phone: (202) 752-7813


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From: eboltz@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Eric Scott Boltz)
Subject: Color Printer NO-Woes
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:17:02 GMT


Well, after printing a sample image (generated on a SPARCstation using
PV-Wave) on both the NeXT color printer and a QMS thermal wax printer
I thought it would be useful to relate our impression of the two
outputs.

First, both were printed on special coated paper (this is required
for wax printers, optional for the Canon engine). Second, we are
still waiting to compare both trasparency output and xerox-ability
(i.e. how well the outputs can be color copied).     

Thermal Wax:
300 dpi, very glossy.
Pros: Very black blacks - very nice. Good dynamic range.
Cons: wax wrinkles easily, gloss makes it hard to view under
      some lighting, easily damaged, expensive (~$6k for a decent
      one).

NeXT Color Printer (Canon bubble jet w/ PS level II)
360 dpi, flat
Pros: WOW. Colors are much more vibrant than I expected. Flat colors
      make viewing under any lighting easy. Prints up to 11"x17".
      Cheap! Don't have to buy memory for the printer. FAST.
Cons: Black not as black as wax. Dynamic range just shy of wax. May
      slow host cpu considerably (even with 48megs?). Some people
      like glossy output.

In short, I was really impressed with NeXT's color printer. It is VERY
important to note that we use color output for representing data -
this is not DTP or photo stuff, so PANTONE matching etc. makes no
difference to us and I cannot comment on how well either printer 
fairs in this regard.

Soon I will color-xerox them and get transparency output from both.
Next week Tek will be in town to demo their dye sublimation and 
phase change printers. I'll check these out too.

Eric S. Boltz
NIST

Employer disclaimers apply
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Scan-X scanner with PC?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:50:33 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca


Is it possible to use an HSD Scan-X greyscale scanner on a PC with a SCSI  
card, using existing PC scanning software?

Please reply by email. Thanks.

-Anthony

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From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: New SPARC Classic
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:09:53 GMT

bbum@object.com (Bill Bumgarner) writes:
>I would like to see any machine that doesn't dog out when running a
>couple of compiles.

We have quite a few that can do it. None have the brand name NeXT
though. Some are considerably more expensive, some aren't.

>As far as text scrolling is concerned;  scrolling text within a set of 32-bit 
>rectangles of screen space (which is what scrolling text really is-- usually  
>you are only scrolling a single rectangle, though often the windowmanager is  
>forced to scroll a piece of text through multiple, odd-shaped, discontiguous  
>hunks of screen space) is a nasty performance hit as well... If the entire  
>contents of whatever is being scrolled is cached on the ND, it shouldn't be a  
>big deal.  But if the image has to be moved across the backplane (either as a  
>straightforward bitmap or as a set of graphics primitives), then you get nailed  
>on the lack of throughput through the backplane... which isn't terribly high.
>

Yes you're quite correct about the memory bandwidth problems of
scrolling but other systems don't seem to suffer as much as the NeXT.
Is the DPS interpreter? The blitting code on the ND's i860? Or what?
Too many software layers?

I once did a window system port (X11) for a custom 24 bit (really 32)
display we built. The display was connected to custom computer we
built and hosted on a SparcStation IPC (memory i/f across the SBus to
another custom bus) and although its scrolling performance was nothing
to write home about (I did very little optimisation as it was only a
short lived prototype) it didn't suffer as much as the NeXT.

Don't misunderstand me .... I love these NeXT machines (I consider
them to be the most useful machine that comes straight out of the box,
or they were when you got lots of s/w bundled with them) - they're a
nice mix of the Mac, a UNIX workstation and the beginnings of a decent
distributed computing environment.
-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)
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From: beckers@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Becki Kain)
Subject: cabling information
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:15:23 GMT

Folks:

I'm trying to hook up a supra fax modem to my next, but i think the cabling
is off.  i can use it for getting into a system, but the slip connection
doesn't work.  I'm using the free slip that is available off the archives.
when i get in and type slip, it just hangs, like info can't get back.
does anyone sell cables or is experienced in this?

thanx in advance

beckers
bkain@tr0034.to.ford.com
From: todd@crayola (Todd Katz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: strange, dumb, odd problem -- floppy drive
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:24:28 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

I have a NeXT cube with the 2.n level operating system and I'm unable to  
install a Peripheral Land floppy drive. The NeXT contains a 40 meg. swap  
HD, no optical drive and boots off a TP network. I tried various SCSI  
settings, that ain't the problem.

Should I be able to install a floppy drive on such a system, or do floppy  
drive need special software or to be connected to a Mac with a HD or  
operating system local to it?

Many thanks in advance for taking the time to consider this problem.
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From: rsilvers@cirrus.nynexst.com (Robert Silvers)
Subject: Digital audio from CD-ROM to HD?
Originator: rsilvers@cirrus
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:56:09 GMT


	Can the NeXT CD-ROM drive read an audio CD and copy the
audio onto the hard drive?  -- Or do I need a Stealth A/D converter
with digital interface to a CD player with digital out?

					Thanks,
						--Rob.
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From: hv@uwasa.fi (Harri Valkama)
Subject: CDaudio - again and again!
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 08:49:39 GMT

Oh why, oh why?

Once  again,  why don't the   CDaudio players work  with  other CD-ROM
players than NeXT's own?

I had  a  Hitachi that didn't  work and now I got  an AppleCD  150 and
still nothing. Isn't this  AppleCD nearly the  same Sony hardware that
NeXT's own have inside?

Any workable solutions -  it doesn't help me  much if you say that buy
the NeXTCD...

Please answer me personally.

-harri-
-- 
///// Harri Valkama (hv@uwasa.fi, NeXTmail: hv@bacall.uwasa.fi)
///// University of Vaasa, P.O.Box 700, 65101 VAASA, Finland 
///// Telephone:+358 61 3248364  fax:+358 61 3248465
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