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From: bgohari@wam.umd.edu (Babak Gohari)
Subject: Question to more advanced skiers (bumps)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:54:23 GMT

Dear more advanced skiers:
I have a sort of important question.  I'm a relatively new skier (i.e. been
seriously skiing for a little over a year, been skiing as a whole for three)
Anyway, I tend to ski mostly blues (or greens even, if they're fun and
I don't want to embarrass myself for falling).  Let's just say that I can
probably ski most blues without falling at a reasonable speed and control.
The question I have though is this: how do you stop on bumps?  Usually on
normal runs, if I feel I'm going too fast as to be about to lose control,
I slow down greatly or even stop (providing that there's no one behind me.
I tried that once without making sure, and some snowboarder didn't have
anti-lock brakes <grin> so he hit me pretty hard).  But on bumps, it's very
hard.  I can't always skid-stop because of the bumps, and snowplowing
usually doesn't work at the higher speeds (at least I can't get it to work).
What I usually end up doing is (now don't laugh) to turn so that I actually
start going up the hill and lose the momentum.  This sounds stupid, and
looks even worse, so my question is: is there any other way to stop on
bumps, especially many mini-bumps in a cluster?  Thanks.

-Bob

P.S.  With my last final over, my first day of skiing this season is tomorrow!
Can't wait! (about time, huh?)
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From: leo@wk69.nas.nasa.gov (Leo Dagum)
Subject: Re: >Snowboarders Suck
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:59:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.194448.1123@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace) writes:
>
>I must be in an argumentative mood this morning, here goes.
>
>" speed record, distance jumping record, faster race times, etc."? 
>
>What in the heck do these things have to do with what you can do on
>a snowboard.  The physics of manipulation of the two types of
>equipment results in different expressions in the same medium. 
>You're comparing the volume and type of expressions against each
>other instead of the quality of those expressions.  And quality,
>being a personal subjective experience, cannot be objectively
>argued.  

And you want a response to that? :-)  Well, I agree that quality cannot be
objectively argued in this instance, and probably I shouldn't have jumped
into this foray in the first place.  Certainly what the feeling I get
from snowboarding is different from what I get from skiing, but that's not
the point I was trying to make.  I still maintain that you can do more on
skis than you can on a snowboard, at least when we talk about the whole
mountain.  We can safely leave half-pipe tricks out of it since I can just
include ski ballet against it.  To support my point, then, I brought up
downhill racing, jumping, and slalom as examples where you can do more
on skis than you can on a snowboard.  Speed is a big turn on for me,
and I think a person can go faster down a mountain on skis than on a snowboard.
Some people prefer air.  Again, I think a person can do more on skis.  So tell
me what things can a person do better on a snowboard than he can on skis?

>Strive for maximum quality not quantity in your life, but
>first Leo and Garen will have to get one :-).
>
I'm sure you couldn't resist the pun, I know I wouldn't have. I'm smilin' :-).

>Mark Wallace
>

Leo Dagum
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: liza@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liza Hope Rothschild)
Subject: Re: Windham(NY)
Keywords: Conditions
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ne
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:01:52 GMT


Don 't know how much it has changed since then, but I heard that on Sunday
Windham actually had a significant amount of powder. 


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From: susan@ods.com (Susan Murphy)
Subject: WinterPark info
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:46:52 GMT

Does anybody know anything about Winter Park in general, 
and Meadow Ridge condos in particular ?


How far is Winter Park from the Denver airport ?

How are the condos and how far are they from the slopes ? 

How is the skiing for a couple of intermediate skiers and
a couple of beginners ?

Thanks in advance.  You can contact me via Email if you like.


Susan Murphy
Optical Data Systems
susan@ods.com
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From: christy@hpbs2625.boi.hp.com (christy rohrig)
Subject: One pass to Sun Valley
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:51:28 GMT
Reply-To: christy@hpbs2625.boi.hp.com (christy rohrig)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories

Hi!
Anyone who's heading to Sun Valley....
I've got a friend who purchased an extra pass to ski Sun Valley.
The lift ticket is good until Dec. 24 and is only $20 instead of their
normal $42
(or is it $45 now?)

Call Geoff at (208)343-5727
From: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Winterpark trip
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:32:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Just returned from WP. Had a vry good & exhausting time.
The thin air was difficult to adjust for the 1st day & a half
but then the skiing went much better.

The 12 inch snwfall really helped, but the grooming was vry slow.
Too many people on sunday, but the lift lines were short.

Winterpark & Vasquez were great for starters. Spent the 3rd & last day
of the trip on MaryJane & on Parsenn. It was the the best day of the
whole trip...lots of sunshine, few people & no waiting (mon). Trails
& runs were groomed.

What a magnificent view ontop of Parsenn...which at 12,000 ft is
abv the tree line. For those with a nicotine habit, I saw a guy
tryg to lite up on the summit at Parsenn, & it wouldnt light.

The best pizza in town is from Hernando's, the best donuts & pastry
is at Bev's Bunnery, and the nite life can be found at Deno's, the
Stampede & the Slope. And for couples, U can even ride a sleigh with
dinner afterwards. Prices are resonable for a resort. Its best to
take some snacks, like candy from ur home area.

Of course the prices on the mountain tops are hier than at the base.
But each of those restaurants have something different to offer.

The frightening portion of the trip was from Bertound Pass north to
the resort. If taking a bus, make sure the driver is WIDE awake, the
road narrows at some points with little room for mistakes!

Back to reality...:(

Sandy

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mstewart@bnr.ca (Michel Stewart)
Subject: Downhill Skiing at Mt Whiteface, Lake Placid
Keywords: ski
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:52:43 GMT

Hi Ski-lovers,

  Can someone answer my questions about Lake Placid:

  o How is it for an intermediate skier?

  o How far is it from Ottawa and how to get there?

  o Does anybody happen to know the phone number
    to this mountain?  I'd like to know how 
    much are lift tickets.

Thanks .. Michel



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From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons)
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!!!
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:13:59 GMT


In article <1992Dec9.222508.24582@nezsdc.icl.co.nz>, hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec9.051228.29040@nmsu.edu> rdanen@dante.nmsu.edu (Ray Danen) writes:
|> >We all know that snowboarders just fuckin' suck all around.  Can you
|> >name just one good thing they are good for?  (Except where there fucking
|> >ass plants in to the ground and provides us a nice mogul to ski.)
|> 
|> Ok, let's have a vote:
|>     (1) Ray Danen left his terminal logged in unattended.
|>     (2) Ray Danen is a dickhead, and a few GIFs of the pope wouldn't go
|> 	astray [*]
|>     (3) Ray Danen knows what he's talking about, boy he really knows his stuff,
|> 	snowboarders *do* "fuckin' suck all around".  An insightful man.
|> 
|> E-mail your vote to: hugh@icl.co.nz
|> 
|> [*: don't even *think* about sending any.  Check recent activity in
|> rec.climbing for why...]
|> 
|> -- 
|> Hugh Grierson          Fujitsu/ICL New Zealand - Software Development Centre
|> hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz                Speaking for myself only.  See figure 1.
|>     Quote of the decade: "We're not just talking about unpopulated areas
|>      of the Southern Hemisphere anymore" [Pres. Bush, on the Ozone hole]

NO NO NO!  Ray is REALLY Michael Lurie from Alleghany U. (AKA Alleged U.)
where system security and erroneous posting are a way of life. (For further
details, see alt.fan.dan-quayle).

( ;-) ;-) for the humor-impaired)
-- 

David G. Simmons
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From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:00:08 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 12/16 Southern California
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Info on squaw valley.....
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:16:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

John S. Webb (webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil) wrote:

> How might one aquire these trail names ???

 The best way is to ask a patroller. We're probably the only people on the
 hill who absolutely have to know all of the run names (otherwise it's
 kinda difficult to describe accident locations).

> Is one of the worlds better ski areas going to have the worlds worst
> trail map indefinatly.?

 My guess? Yes. I could probably rattle off over 200 run names at Squaw
 without any problem but trying to put them on a map is pretty darn
 difficult. You'd actually need several maps (maybe not a bad idea now
 that I think of it.)

> but now at Squaw I hardly know the names of any trails even after 10
> visits.  Especially interested in names along KT-22 and Granite Chief.

 I'll gladly answer any trail name questions via e-mail...I suspect that
 this has gone far beyond the general interest of the net.

 ..glen 
Xref: sparky rec.skiing:8628 rec.travel:16698 ne.housing:1394 ne.forsale:5478 misc.forsale:33579
From: weh@cad5.genrad.com (Warren E. Hambly)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.travel,ne.housing,ne.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: Ski Condo for rent
Followup-To: poster
Date: 16 Dec 1992 09:49:43 -0500
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cad5.genrad.com
Keywords: ski, condo

I have the following available at Deer Park Resort, No.Woodstock NH.
The unit is a two bedroom, two bath that will sleep six very comfortably with
a queen size master bed, queen size sleep sofa and two twin bed in the other
bedroom. The master bedroom has a full bath with whirlpool tub/shower and
walkout sliders to the back. The kitchen is fully equipt with utensils and
includes a microwave oven and coffee maker. There are two TV's and a VCR for
entertainment. There is a gas fired fireplace in the living room so no messy
logs to deal with.

Deer Park is located at the edge of the White Mountain National forest and
close to many vacation attractions. The resort itself features a large onsite
recreation center which has a 20x80 indoor pool, sauna, racketball courts,
exercise room with universal gym, game room and lounge.

Loon Mtn is 2 miles away, Cannon about 10 min., Bretton Woods 20-25 min and
Valley about 30 min. The time available is Jan. 8-15, Feb. 5-12 and March 5-12.

The rates are:
    weekly                          $525/wk
    Non weekly rates are as follows:
        Weekend & holiday( 2nt min.) 125/nt
        midweek                       75/nt
    Any weekend which includes one or
    more additional days are $95 for the
    weekend days and $75 for midweek days.

You can either email or contact me by phone.
                  (508)369-4400   x2402   work
                    "  587-0934           home

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From: mdb@netcom.com (Mark Bisgeier)
Subject: list of reviews?
Summary: Is there a list oof ski reviews?
Keywords: reviews skis
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:14:13 GMT

Does anyone publish a list of ski reviews done by the magazines? A
kind of buyers' guide that isn't all advertising but that actually
reviews the skis? A kind Consumer Reports Buying guide for skis?
   Thanks   Mark B.

-- 

Mark Bisgeier              mdb@netcom.com
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: North Tahoe Region 12/11-12/12
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 07:04:46 GMT
Distribution: usa

Dates: 12/11-12/13
Locations: Squaw and Alpine Meadows
Elevation: 6800 ft.
Weather: Stormy, cloudy with intermittant breaks
Winds: 0 during some evening periods to 40 MPH on ridges W.
Temps: 10-40F
Avalanche hazard: Extreme
Driving Conditions: Chains or snow tires required.  267 over Brockway was R2
(everybody: chains required).
Depth: measured at 60 inches  6-12 new on top of a rain crust (sometimes
	breakable), difference was noteable between AM and S.  This layer
	deserves close observation
Lift Lines: None, not all lifts open, major portions of S had wind and
	avalanche closure.
X-C wax: blue stick
Traffic: none on the way up, pulled an all nighter
Snow density: not measured this trip

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
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From: djm@kbs.citri.edu.au (David Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:37:45 GMT
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute

sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.004848.15321@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
>>
>>>Unless you ski faster than 40-60kmh most of the time, you will not need a ski
>>>longer than 180cm.
>>
>>I ski mostly bumps and steeps, and the only time I hit those speeds is
>>generally when I'm free-falling.  I ski 200's. I'd ski 207's if I didn't
>>spend so much time in the bumps.


>This brings up a question:
>How do you measure your speed?---Is there some sort of BOTEC you can do
>real quick at the end of a run, wind-resistance gadgets you can get or
>something?

No, you either use a speed gun, or you enter a race and work it out from your
time against the distance.  Or, as the speed skiers do, you set up a timed
space (no gates, just a timed distance).  Or, finally, the easiest is to ski a
run whose distance you know (some areas put lift lengths in their trail
guides, most areas know those lengths so ask), and time how long you take.
On reflection my quick estimates above are extreme.  But their aim was simply
to point out that with regard inertial stability (not taking any other factor
into account) a ski longer ... etc.  Reduce the speeds by 10-15 kmh and the
estimates are more realistic.

>I saw something in a local ski store the other day that appeared to be
>basically a spur-like wheel attached to a small LCD display. I imagine
>it counts RPMs or RPSs and spits out a number that way. I've no idea
>how accurate it is, nor how durable(It clips onto the tail of your
>skis. I've no idea how durable or accurate it'd be.) 

>TIA,
>---Steve
>-- 
>---------
>sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
>		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me 

David.
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 08:10:08 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 13/16 Exercises
Organization: Toyz R. Me
From: rah1220@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Skiing near Reno, NV.
Reply-To: rah1220@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:53:02 GMT

Whoever was wanting to know about skiing in Reno here is a line-up of
resorts.......

Mt. Rose: good day area, about 1500-1600 vertical feet, one quad, a couple
triples, and a couple doubles.  This is a two-sided mountain.  The backside of
Mt. Rose is callled the Slide side.  It used to be a separate ski area from Mt.
Rose.  The two shared a summit.  They consolidated about 4 or 5 years ago. 
Slide side is steeper than Mt. Rose side.

Diamond Peak at Ski Incline: another good day area, good for beginners too. 
This area used to be a small, homey area with approx. 900 vertical feet.  About
three years ago they got permission to expand above their existing facilities
and built on Diamond Peak.  The ski area now boasts a semi-new quad, 1800
vertical feet, and incredible views of Lake Tahoe.  They also engage in
snowmaking.

Northstar-at-Tahoe: this ski area is on the move.  It is also my personal fave.  
Northstar-atTahoe is located in Truckee.  This is a vacation resort complete
with a mall at the base, golf courses, tons of condos, and everything else. 
Once you arrive you don't need to leave.  When you are at the base it is
impossible to see the runs.  You have to ride the Big-Springs six-passenger
high-speed detachable gondola.  This takes you up to the main mountain.  To
access the main mountain you can also take the Echo triple.  The skiing here i
reliable thanks to an extensive snowmaking system  Their is nothing that is
arduously hard to ski, however trails in the Schaeffers Camp area are nothing
to smile about.  Excellent cruising terrain here.  Tons of blues.  Two high
speed quads take you to the summit.  Their are five other lifts.  Look for
major expansion on Lookout Mountain in the future.  This is one of the top 50
ski areas in the US.  Vertical drop is 2200 feet.

Squaw Valley:  Recognition speaks for itself.  This gargantuan area sports vast
terrain that is seemingly endless.  This place almost resembles the ski
circuses of the alps.  Last I counted I think there was 30-35 lifts here. 
Beginner terrain is on the top of the mountain.  Lots of terrain to work with. 
you name they got it.  They have an extremely efficient lift system with
several high speed quads and a six passenger gondola and a tramway.  Squaw
Valley has recently installed a snowmaking system.  Vertical drop is around
2600 feet.

                    The Roving Ski Patroller
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From: poahbear@leland.Stanford.EDU (David G Lawson)
Subject: Blackcomb/Whistler Report
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 21:11:36 GMT

   A Heavy Snowfall Warning is in effect for tonight and tomorrow !
   A high of -10C in the valley today should make for some pretty awesome
conditions. 
   Blackcomb reports 5300' of skiing on a 3 foot base.
   The new Glacier Express Quad opens this weekend !
 
   Two days and counting ...
From: gjones@gateway (Gordon Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: SKI BLOWOUT AT BLUE KNOB -- Jan 8-10; only $155 !!
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:54:45 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA




             S K I  B L O W O U T  A T  B L U E  K N O B  !


Get ready for an outrageous skiing adventure at Blue Knob, January 8-10 !
For as little as $155.00 per person you can ski the highest vertical drop in
Pennsylvania (1052').  The trip includes:

   two nights lodging at RAMADA w/ tropical indoor courtyard
   parties each day (plus refreshments on the bus)
   FREE equipment rentals
   jacuzzi and pool
   round trip transportation
   free meals
   roller skating
   horseback riding

Two of the ski trails are "double diamond" trails for experts, and there are
several long, level slopes ideal for beginning skiiers.

Blue Knob is only 2 hours 45 min from D.C., so an early return home on Sunday
is possible.  For further details, contact Gordon at (703) 204-0768 or
leave message.
From: edb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Ed Beshore)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 21:57:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!!! (Not a flame!)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

I've got it.  You're in *Junior High*, and someone was showing you around
a lab somewhere, and you started playing with a terminal....

You shouldn't touch things you don't understand, you might get
in trouble.

Run along now...

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From: zod@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Bear Valley Conditions, CA
Reply-To: zod@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE CORPORATION
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:48:03 GMT

I skied at Bear Valley, CA this past weekend.
They did not have the lower slopes open due to
too much snow! They were dynamiting the lower
part. Trying to get it open for Sunday. Comes
Sunday, and the Gusts of wind started to blow.
They had the lifts closed on Sunday. I called
Kirkwood. They had the same situation. But so
much snow, it was unbelievable. We are supposed
to get more snow/rain this coming weekend and
it is still blowing hard.


---



Captain Zod...
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From: rickc@scotty.TEK.COM
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Kastle RXs
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:27:52 GMT
Reply-To: rickc@scotty.TEK.COM
Distribution: usa
Organization: WV


    I purchased Kastle RX Synergys (last years model; 203 mm) and marker
M48 bindings early this year and I haven't a complaint yet. 8^)
I got them at a great price at the ski rack in beaver town ($199 for
m48s, $149 for the skis). Are you looking a the RX Integral GSM ?? I was
told that these two models are very close, except the synergys have a
softer tail. My nephew skis the
GSM's and highly recommends them. 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: Re: Best Boarding Boots?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:50:42 GMT

zeke@reed.edu (Zeke Koch) writes:


>What's the word on boarding boots?  I've finally layed down the money
>for a new board (after three years of renting and scammin').  I 
>have Burton Flex bindings (on a nitro diablo if anyone cares)  Does
>anyone have any suggestions as to boots?  So far I'm thinking of the
>Burton Comp.  Any opinions?

>Zeke

This is one of the more supportive soft boots, it has cross-over
straps.  Which, for those of you unfamiliar, is a nylon strap 
about 3/4 inch wide which wraps around the ankle.  This adds
stiffness in that area.  Unless you're into contorted aerials
I highly recommend this type of boot.  Other stiff soft boots
are the Airwalk Freeriding, Sorel Pro-Lok, Blax Recreational,
Mistral RX, Santa Cruz Freeride, and the Vendramini 707.
Kemper makes a soft boot which is on the stiff side also.

The next level of support is the hybrid boot, which is
one of the types of boots I use.  The Koflach Superpipe
has a shell of all plastic which laces up, the plastic
is thinner than a hard shell.  The inner boot is lace up
like most soft boots.

In my experience ankle support is critical for bashing the
bumps.

Look for the Snowboard section of the FAQ which has this
type of info. coming out soon.

Mark