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From: rmv@ukc.ac.uk (raj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: pattinaththAr
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:29:19 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

>From: Kathiravan Krishnamurthi <kat@doe.carleton.ca>
>Message-Id: <9301061605.AA11273@doe.carleton.ca>
>To: rmv@ukc.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: Pattinaththar -- again
>
[deleted]
>
>       Please post oru mada maathu" of pattinathaar I do not
> have the song with me. The song traces a man's life from
>birth to death in a philosophcal manner.
>
>nanRi 

     Sorry I donot have that song too. It is possible that it is under 
another title. So please give me more details.

          However, I have something else to share. The following is the 
song PattinaththAr sang on his mother's funeral. I enjoyed every
para. I home most of you ( if not all ) will enjoy it too.
I have assumed that all the readers are familiar with hindu
ways of funeral rites. (If not please ask a hindu).
But it is not that important anyway.


annai iRandhapOdhu
------------------

      aiyiRandu thingal angamellAm nondhu peRRu
      paiyyelenRapOdhe parindheduththu -- seiyya iru
      kaippuRaththil Endhi kanaha mulai thandhALai
      eppiRappil kAnbEn ini ?

      mundhi thavam kidandhu munnoorunAl sumandhE
      andhi pahalAiy sivanai Adhariththu -- thondhi
      sariya sumandhu peRRa thAyAr thamakkO
      eriyath thazhal moottuvEn ?

      vattililum thottililum mArmElum, thOlmElum
      kattililum vaiththenai kAdhaliththu -- muttach
      siRahilittu kAppARRi seerattum thAiykkO
      viRahilittuth thhee moottuvEn ?

      nondhu sumandhu pRRu nOvAmal Endhi mulai
      thandhu vaLarththeduththu thAzhAmE -- andhippahal
      kaiyilE konddennaik kAppARRum thAithanakkO 
      meiyilE  thhee moottuvEn ?

      arisiyO nAn iduvEn, AththAL thanakku ?
      variseiyittu pArththu mahizhAmal -- "urusiyuLLa
      thEnE amirdhamE selvathth thiraviyappoo
      manE " enRazhaiththa vAiykku ?

      aLLI iduvadhu arisiyO ? thAithalaimEl
      kollithanai vaippEnO koosAmal ? meLLa
      muhamEl muham vaiththu muththAdi "enRan
      mahanE" ena azhaiththa vAikku ?

      munnai itta thee muppuraththil
      pinnai itta thee then ilangaiyil   
      annai itta thee adivayiRRilE
      yAnum itta thee mOOLha ! mOOLhavE !

      vEhthE theethanil ; vendhu podisAmbal
      AhumE pAviyEn aiyaho! -- mAhak
      kuruvi paRavAmal kOthAtti ennai
      karudhi vaLarththeduththa kai.

      vendhALO  sONagiri viththahA ! nin padaththil
      vandhALO  ennai maRandhALO -- sandhadhamum
      unnaiyE nOkki uhandhu varam kidandhen
      thannaiyE eenReduththa thai ?

      veeRRirunthAl annai ; veedhithanil irundhAl!
      nERRirundhAl; inRu vendhu neeRanAL; -- pAltheLikka
      ellArum vArungal! EthenRu irangAmal
      ellAm sivamayamE yAm!


	   raj
ps
I tried to avoid any spelling mistakes ... but if there are any ;-))
excuse me .


    Thanks to  all those who appreciated my appologies in my previous post.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Eve teasing: was incident in PTC bus...
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:24:58 GMT

In <lkm80aINN846@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> satish@glob.Eng.Sun.COM (Satish Ramachandran - SunSoft Engineer) writes:

>Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
>Subject: Re: Eve teasing: was incident in PTC bus...

>>I have never lived or studied in Madras city. But from what I have
>>seen, Italy, particularly south of Rome, beats any city in India.
>>But people take it in light spirit, as long as nobody is 'hurt'.
>>During my visits to Madras (and travel in non-college peak hours),
>>it does not appear as alarming. 
>> srini@ <somewhere>

>[This was forwarded to me.  And I thought the issue was serious enough to
>respond...]

>The year is new but I think this is the most pig-headed statement we have
>seen yet.  Strong words but I feel they are neccessary still.

  I told a naNpar when I went to madras that the guys should be
punished, rather whipped. This kind of teasing cannot be seen
or will not be tolerated in small towns and villages. 
Dont these teasers have sisters and mothers. 

  madraas has a eve teasing police force. what a culture.

  I know some friends saying that eve teasing has resulted
in handing out punishments by brothers or close relatives
of the girl. 

Kathiravan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (MONK)
Subject: KINDAL VARIKAL
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:02:18 GMT


	 kottum mazhai kaalam, 'coat'tu pottu pOnEn!
	 kaRRadikkum nEram, 'veeti' katti pOnEn!
	 pinja cheruppai pOttu thaviththEn,
				thangame gnaana thangame!
         vandha 'bus'ai thavara vittEn 
				thangame gnaana thangame!

          
        From "unna ninachEn, paattu padichen... "

 
         
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athi			
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From: kanth@ogicse.cse.ogi.edu (Meenakshi Srikanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: minnal varigaL - 67
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:03:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48355
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR


	"kanni maghaL arugil irunthal suvaikum!
		 kanni thuNai izhandhal muzhuthum kasakkum!
 	 vizhiyinil mozhiyinil nadaiyinil udaiyinil
	 adhisaya sugam tharum anangival pirappidhu thaan!!"

	From "mannil indha kadhal..."

	Contributed by Satish Subramanian

	Posted by Srikanth Meenakshisundaram.
--------------------------------------------------------
Contributions Welcome. Please send YOUR minnal varigaL to
kanth@cse.ogi.edu. 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.karnataka,alt.culture.kerala
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: 'izhi' in thiruppaavai 22
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:15:59 GMT

In <C0G0tG.C3o@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca writes:

>'izhi-ndhEl' is translated as 'please remove/get rid off'.
>However in Modern Tamil izhi /izhivu  means 'demeaning'.

>In today's kannada (iLi) and malayaLam (izhi) it is used to mean
>'descend/get off' (irangu). A word very commonly heard in busses in Karnataka.
>In Tamil that sounds like 'iLi' (smile showing all teeth), probably
>that is why it has gone out of usage in Tamil.

>izhi/irakku also means extract/remove/get rid off as in 'mudi irakku'
> (getting head(mudi) shaved off in temples)

>There are a number of such words in thiruppaavai, whose meaning appear
>to have changed in modern Tamil, but retained in other south indian
>languages. If there is any interest, I can list them some time.

>K. Srinivasan at Hydro Quebec.

    "paNNOdu koodiya thiruppavaiyai
     kanivOdu valaikku vazhangiya
     anpar ADAMI sri avarkalai
     paNivOdu vENdukiROm!"
  anpan,
  KK 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Subject: Re: AP Brahmins
Keywords: Brahmins, Kapalika, Sakthi, Religious Practices
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:29:36 GMT

One good reference is "Secret of the three cities" by Douglas R. Brooks.

Here "three cities" refer to 'tiripura' and the book is mainly about
"srichakra".

Some comments:-

1. As usual the discussion is being hijacked/digressing into
aryan-dravidiyan debate.

2. Classifying brahmins based on ritulas / practices is suspect and more so
in identifying some with aryanised oboriginals for whether they were
brahmins is a question which itself needs satisfactory proof.

3. Tantric practice by itself is a varied field and needn't be synonymous
with sakti cult. The latter is not confined to TN alone.

raghavan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: shivakl@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (LAKSHMANAN SHIVAKUMAR)
Subject: Re: Some Tamil songs and Raga Identification
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:23:00 GMT

In article <1iam22INNqbk@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, krishna@OCE.ORST.EDU (Sivaramapuram Krishna Subramanyam) writes...
>In article <2934302675.2.p00239@psilink.com> "Meenakshi S Murali" <p00239@psilink.com> writes:
>>I want to share some films songs and the resemblance of ragas.
>>I had identified quite a few. I can answer few queries too.
>>Let us have some interesting discussions on this.

(stuff deleted)
Here are a few more:
Ragam - songs (movie)

Sivaranjani - 	Terae Merae Beech Mae (Ek Duje Ke Liye)
		Mei Meera Tu Mohan (Meera Ka Mohan)
		Ennadu Gaanam Un Kadil Vizhavillaya (???)
		Moongilinai Kadugalae Muthu Mazhai..(Oomai Vizhigal)
		Oru Jeevanthan Un Padalthan (????)
		Aval Oru Menakai (Natchatiram)

Sahana 	   -	Parten, Siriten, Pakkam Vera thudithen..(???)
		Inda Veenaiku theriyadu (Oru Erayil Snegitham)

Bhoopalam  -	Oru Pon Maanai Naan Kaana Thaka dimi tom (???)

Shanmugapriya	Kathal Kasakuthaiya (Aan pavam)

Shudha Dhanyasi Nenzai Undai Pungai Undu Pongi varum...(Unnal Mudiyum
				Thambi) - Correct me on this if I am wrong
		(I know that the words of that song above are wrong!)

Vasantha   -	Raga deepam yetrum neram Puyal mazhaio (Payanangal
						Mudivathilai)

Ananda Bairavi	Karpagavalli Nin Poprpadam Pidithen (Bhajan song
				sung by T.M.S)


I know that the following songs are based on a Carnatic Raga.  If
someone could help us out on these.

Azhaikade,Azhaikade (I forgot the movie)
Ullatilae Nalla Ullam ..(Karnan) - I think it is Chakravaham.  Am I
							right?
Aval Sentamizh Ten Mozhiyai ( I forgot the movie.  It was sung
			by T.R.Mahalingam)

Regards,
Shivakumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: ThirukkuRaL
Keywords: Inspiring words, ezhuchchi tharum sol
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:09:07 GMT



(B)


       

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           [1;5m`[m                                          [1;5m`[m
      [1;5m`[m   lvk                                        lvk   [1;5m`[m
 [1;5m`[m   lvk  xax                                        xax  lvk   [1;5m`[m
lvk  xax  xax  eNNiya eNNiyaangu eythuba  eNNiyaar   xax  xax  lvk
xax  xax  xax  thiNNiya(r) aaga(p) peRin             xax  xax  xax
xax  xax  xax                                        xax  xax  xax
xax  xax  xax               ThiruvaLLuvar            xax  xax  xax
xax  xax  xax                                        xax  xax  xax
xax  xax  xax                                        xax  xax  xax
xax  xax  xax                                        xax  xax  xax
ooo  ooo  ooo  ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooo  ooo  ooo


               One CAN rise as high as one aspires,
               If steadfast one becomes.
                                             anbudan
                                             -Selva

         
                                                                             
                                                                             


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Subject: Somalia Relief Initiative 
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:55:40 GMT



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From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: An incident in a PTC bus...
Date: 6 Jan 1993 16:13:24 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cive.egr.uh.edu

In article <1993Jan5.002958.26128@beaver.cs.washington.edu>  
radhika@june.cs.washington.edu (Radhika Thekkath) writes:
>In article <1353@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, krvst+@pitt.edu (Koppampatt R Venkatesh)
>writes:
>  << deleted intro to riveting story >>
[stuff deleted to save b/w]
>Yes, you really must miss being around weaker persons; as you probably realize
>saying something smart-assed as this will land you a sock in the eye in this
>country. But, of course you can get away with harassing women in Madras,  
because
>there, they will not dare do more than complain to the conductor, who after  
all is
>your friend.
>
>Madrasilai singham, usa'lai puuna kutti.
  Sorry for reading between the lines.
  Everything is fine. But I don't get the actual meaning of the last
sentence. You refer those who tease women as "cingam". The image
of "cingam" is completely tarnished. :-)
The teasers get courage only when they are among their group. ( A mass  
psychology attribute)
They are "poonaikal" when they are left alone. They don't have to come 
to US to become "poonai".
As far as I see, the implication of that sentence seems to be "If you
are a `cingam', you've to tease women in US also" which is totally
disagreeable.

A note to KRV: I'm not referring your friend who may or may not be
an eve-teaser. ;-)
>
>|> 
>|> Venkatesh.
>
>radhika
>(radhika@cs.washington.edu)

Regards,
Venkat
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From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: vernacular terms for relatives in the region of karaikudi
Date: 11 Jan 1993 01:22:20 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cive.egr.uh.edu

Mother - aaththaaL
Father - appachchi
Father's father |         
                |  - aiyaa
Mother's father |  
Mother's mother - aayaa
Father's mother - appaththaaL
Mother's brother - ammaan

I enquired an elder and he told those were derived from pure
tamil words.
aayaa= aay(meaning amma)+aay
appathaaL=appu+aathaaL
I don't remember how the words "aiyaa","ammaan", "aathaaL" are derived
from pure tamil words. Can anybody shed some more light onto this?

Regards,
Venkat
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From: gshiva@next04epsl.wam.umd.edu (G.SHIVAKUMAR)
Subject: KINDAL VARIGAL
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:28:20 GMT

Dear netters,
I am sure that somebody will remember the "transalated versions"
of
1. iraNtu manam veNdum, iraivinidam ketten (Sivaji sad aong
from vasantha maligai( Ithink)
the "transalated " song starts with " iraNtu idli vendum serveridam  
ketten..."

2. jana gana mana  ( Our national Anthem)

P.S: I am very patriotic person so don't take the request number 2
as degrading our country or anthem. ( As they say here ' Take it easy ,  
Man ' ). Thanks in advance.
From: rmv@ukc.ac.uk (raj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: pattinaththAr
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:20:36 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

I am currently reading some of the songs of pattinaththAr (Oh ! it is too long 
to type. Let me call him 'P' in the following text ;-)) . I am curious know 
the circumstances under which he became a "siththar"/thuRavi/whatever it is !

Does anybody know his history (not just few incidents ) ?

       In one of his songs (I cannot rember offhand. But if someone is 
interested I can find it. Book -- siththar pAdalhal), he says some thing like
the following -- 

              thoongum vELaiyil,
              Mel vatha kaiyai medhuvAha pakkaththil vaththuvittu
              iravellAm ayalAnOdu irundhuvittu varum manaiviyai 
              eppadi nambuvEn iRaivA ? 

             (words are mine & meaning is P's.)

            Now my question is, "is it a general song ? " or does this
has any relevance to his personal life  ? --sorry Mrs P ;-))
      
            He seems to be so frustrated & irritated with women & sex.
Did he have any bad incidents involving women ?

       WARNING !
I am going to quote some of his songs which may offend some readers.

     In one he says ..

     "ethanai pEr thotta mulai
      ethanai pEr natta kuzhi"


    In another he laments  
   
    "piRakkum idaththai thEduthE manam
     kaRakkum idaththai nAduthE kaN "

  
I know that many saint lamented to God that they were unable to get
"immuned" to the (fatal) attraction of women & sex ( sitrinbam) and pleaded His
help to help their mind focus on pErinbam. But this guy --P, goes a bit
beyond.

  In one song he mocks at men ...

    pEngalin idhazhil inbam kAnum moodaRe,
    adhu amudhalla , umizhndhAl nAARum echchil

    iRandhapin eRunbum puzhuvum vAzhum kuzhiku
    ippadi mAiyhireelrhalE ?

    (words are mine & meaning is P's)


and so on ................

   I apologise to those if I have offended anyone's sense of  desency.

 
                  raj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: asriniva@vela.acs.oakland.edu (MONK)
Subject: KINDAL VARIKAL
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 00:25:55 GMT


Kindal vari

	 taj mahaalin kaadhilE raam kaadhai kooRalaam !
	 Rama Janma Bhoomiyil adiyum Udhaiyum vaangalaam!

    From 
	"vaa vaa vaa, KaNNa vaa......."


-- 
_________________________________________________________________________
athi			
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From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: A pretty neat idea.
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:07:41 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cive.egr.uh.edu

 Last week somebody at somewhere contacted me thru' phone and enquired
about one of my roommates since his relatives in India requested him to
find about the guy as they are looking for a possible matrimonial
alliance for their daughter. The enquiry is a genuine one and not a
prank.[Nope! Rajesh, Ravi, Saravana ! I won't say about whom the enquiry
was for. Let it be a suspense for you, folks ;-)]

 He generally asked about his behavior and other background. I was
caught off-hand when he asked whether I had seen the movie "47 naatkal".
Then he explained the girl's parents are particularly interested in
not letting their girl to face the situation as described in the movie.
[Yes, Sundaramoorthy! TN is plagued(sic) by movie culture.But here the
movie made some parents wary enough about the situation which is
a good trend.]

  Well, if every gal's parents had been prudent/cautious like them,
this Sharma/Verma thing wouldn't have happened.

Regards,
Venkat
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From: partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: STOP POSTINGS IRRELEVANT TO SCT
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:36:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48269
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

Yo guys fighting on issues on China, Anons etc..!

Please keep off this net. If you run out of space in SCI
email to each other. I wonder if I am reading SCT or SCI
sometimes. Do not spread any more garbage here. We have enough
to clean up here already.

Partha sarathy
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