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From: wkwong@kalman.eng.ohio-state.edu (Waihon Andrew Kwong)
Subject: Re: Bitch, Bitch, Btich (was Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors)
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:55:23 GMT

In article <107969@bu.edu> ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Michael Amirault) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.064021.16036@cs.yale.edu>  
>nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
>>
>> The Fimi sucks; it's an embarrassment to NeXT.  The new Sony
>> is so much better it's not even funny.  We previously refused
>> to purchase color NeXT systems without 3rd party displays
>> (Nanao T560i).  In the future we won't hesitate to order
>> the NeXT/Sony 17" display.
>> 
>
>  Am I the only one who absolutely *loves* there NeXTStation
>Color with the Fimi 17" display??  Everyday I read in these
>newsgroups how:
>
>	a) the Fimi 17" display is a piece of ****.
>	b) 3.0 is so buggy that is shoudln't have been released.
>	c) All the NeXT machines running 3.0 are too slow unless
>          they have 32MB of memory.
>
> I can't be the only one out there who thinks this all a bunch of 
>garbage, can I?  I have a NSC at home with 16MB of memory and Fimi
>17" monitor and I think it's the best thing I've ever used. 
>
> I've had virtually no trouble with bugs in 3.0. Sure, people here 
>have outlined ways to crash your machine (I've yet to find a machine
>that couldn't be crashed) but I generally don't keep repeating events
>that I know are going to crash my machine :-) In the 10 months since I've
>had my machine (4 with 3.0 running), my machine has crashed about 4
>times and that is through a lot of use.
>
> I have no problems with speed either. I think speed is a relative
>thing but I think the people who are complaining that you can't run
>3.0 without at least 20MB color and 16MB b+w are off base.  I'm writing
>this message on a NeXTCube '040 with 8MB of memory and while I would 
>classify it as slow, it is still *very* usable.
>
> So, if there is *anyone* out there who feels the same way as I do please
>let me know!!  I find it really difficult to believe that all of these
>recent postings (bitchings, whinings, NeXT death forcasters..) represent
>as much of the NeXT community as they are representing in netnews traffic
>(50%?).
>
>  Mike Amirault
>(these views are obviously my own...)


I second what you said. I love my Cube with NS3.0 and Fimi mono
monitor. This is really the CUTTING-EDGE computer I can ever used!

I also have a 486PC but it is not usable (for development) by
comparison to my NeXT!

Andy

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From: pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu (Craig Pratt)
Subject: SCSI cable needed - help!
Summary: db50 to db25 SCSI (Mac/Amiga style)
Keywords: SCSI
Reply-To: pcnot4me@cs.montana.edu (Craig Pratt)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:51:53 GMT

I picked up a 40MB drive, power supply and case from a friend to use as
a swap drive.  But, I need a cable.  The case is wired with a 25-pin
female port (db25, I guess).  It was used on an Amiga but is supposedly
identical to a Mac external SCSI drive.  I have a NS Turbo Color.

Where's the best place to get one of these beasts?

Thanks.
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  Montana State University, Bozeman MT            gcp1070@msu.oscs.montana.edu
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 just go by size, because I bet there are some Chihuahuas with some good ideas."
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From: simmons@rigel.neep.wisc.edu (Kim Simmons)
Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin,Madison., NEEP Department
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:19:31
In-reply-to: mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu's message of Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:07:33 GMT

>>>>> ">" == Rothstein  <mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu> writes:

>> As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I  
>> have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system  
>> will cost.  I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good  
>> prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list
>> of the best prices.

>> My idea of an entry Developers System is as follows:
>> 33Mhz. 486DX
>> 16 MB RAM
>> 500 MB HD
>> accelerated localbus video (I dont know how much VRAM is needed
>> to achieve 16 bit color)
>> 17" color display

>> I planned to list retailers but I forgot to bring the info so i'll post  
>> that later.  In the current issue of PC WORLD they review a 17" color  
>> monitor by Acer (I'll have to check on that name) that they compared to a  
>> NEC 5FG and had a street price of $999.  500MB Hard Drives seem to be  
>> about $1000.  I've seen 4MB 70ns simms recently for $116 which means $464  
>> for 16MB.  I haven't checked motherboaards as recently but in Dec. I saw  
>> 33Mhz. 486DX VL-BUS boards for ~$1000 (w/o video).  I have no idea what an  
>> accelerated Local Bus video card goes for.

>> My personal goal is $3000 for the hardware.  I know there are alot of  
>> other things that can go in a system but I fealt that this system would  
>> get you developing and you wouldn't have to throw out things when you got  
>> the rest later (i.e. move from 15"-17" display = throw away a 15" display)

>> Now as long as NeXT doesn't price us all out of development (esp.  
>> students) we could be in business.

>> Please post your best prices!!!

>> --
>> -Mont

>> NeXTmail OK :-)
>> President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group)
>> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu


I'll bet you $20. that NeXT does price us (students) out of development.
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From: watanaby@rikvax.riken.go.jp
Subject: Re: 17" Fimi Color Monitor Problems - Help!
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Organization: RIKEN (The Institute of Physical and Chemical Research) Wako, Saitama,  351-01, Japan
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:01:41 GMT

In article <105881@netnews.upenn.edu>, shuque@spectre.sas.upenn.edu (Shumon Huque) writes:
> The 17" Color Monitor (old Phillips variety, not Sony) on my Color
> NeXTstation is dying. It was purchased in September '92 and only had a
> 3 month warranty and I can't afford to have it repaired.

It seems similer what I found my NeXT station color w/ phillips 
monitor. It was caused with the monitor cable. 
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From: avery@ccrma.stanford.edu  (Avery Wang)
Subject: Apple CD300 and audio disks and non-Macintosh machines?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 04:15:14 GMT

Hi-

I read that the Apple CD300 can read regular audio disks via the SCSI bus, but  
I was wondering if this mode is available if I used the CD300 on a  
non-Macintosh computer, such as a NeXT.  I would like to read sound tracks off  
a normal CD into my NeXT.  Does anyone have a clue as to whether or not this  
is possible?

Thanks,
-Avery

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From: jgshir@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw)
Subject: DAT machines for the NeXT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:45:18 GMT

Hi,

Can anyone suggest a good source of DAT drives for the next.  I'm looking for
something that will store about 2Gbyte.

Thanks in advance

john.
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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:12:40 GMT

In article <108572@bu.edu> mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) writes:

>	Well, how about the current Gateway Systems :
>
>		486DX2-66
>		256k cache

All 486's have a 256k data and instruction cache, don't they?

>		16 megs ram  (additional $320 or so)
>		2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400)

Screw IDE, get SCSI or pref. SCSI II.  IDE sucks.

>		ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM)
>		17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700)
>		both floppies
>		mouse, windows, etc.
>		------------------------
>		$4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118)

Well, it's color and faster.  But you still need an OS, and dev.
tools.  NS486 + all the tools will pump up this price quite a bit.
You also need ethernet, or ANY networking stuff for that matter. 
Plus something besides the lame PC sound capabilities, preferably with
a DSP.  All this will pump the price to over $6k.  Less if you don't
plan to develop software or hook it up to any kind of network.

For considerably less than this you can get a used color turbo slab
with more memory.  Or a new one on student discount.  Plus software
that comes with it.  Then it's just a matter of CPU speed, the 486
system will probably run about 1.5 times the speed of the color slab
at most.

-Howard

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From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: Toshiba MK538FB? Royce Howland?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:32:29 GMT

ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester) writes:

>I'm looking for more disk space and may have narrowed my choice down
>to the Toshiba MK538FB. This is a 1.2g 12ms 3-1/2" 1/2 height drive.
>Is anyone using this drive? what do you think of it? Do you boot
>from it? Did you have to do anything special to get it working? How
>did you build the disk?

I have heard of several people using this drive, some even
installing it internally to their station, so I am pretty sure it
works OK.  However, I would be interested to hear from those people
now on whether or not they are happy with their purchase.  I'm
considering buying one of these, also, and if anyone wants to talk
me out of it, please do.  Either post or e-mail and I'll summarize,
as inexpensive gig drives are often a popular subject. 

Thanks.
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From: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward)
Subject: Re: Some NS486 and DPS Questions
Reply-To: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:57:59 GMT

Michael McCulloch writes
-> Get ready. This is probably only one of a long string of questions
-> that'll flood these newsgroups soon. :-)
-> 
-> NeXT's official info on NS486 says that it'll be capable of 1280x1024
-> 16-bit DPS on cards with ATI Mach 32 and Wingine chipsets. However,
-> many of the machines are only advertised to be capable of 1024x768 at
-> 256 colors for Windoze. Can the same video card provide the much
-> better DPS performance? Is additional video RAM required? If so, how
-> much?
-> 
	First off, I don't *know* anything -- about NS486, or anything much for  
that matter....but it seems to me (BISTM) that the card *must* have >2M since
1024*1280*2 = 2,621,440 bytes (2.560M)...as far as the supposed resolution  
enhancement goes...most graphics chips for PCs will support 1280x1024, but this  
would seem to require more than 1M of ram at 8bits/pixels...so they use  
1024x768...similarly a lot of monitors can't quite acheive 1280x1024...
but remember that the NeXT screen (on a real NeXT) is like 11??x8?? so as long  
as you can get at least that -- of course I'd prefer something like  
1200x1600...;-)

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From: cpp@next2032.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Christian Porath)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Problems with Optical Disk
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:18:43 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: next2032.le.tu-berlin.de

I have a 5,25"-WRITE ONCE OPTICAL DISK CARTRIDGE LM 510 by the japanese  
 
company LASER MAGNETIC STORAGE INTERNATIONAL COMPANY that seems to be nearly full compatible to the NeXT-ODs, but I can not push it into the drive.
Should I use the hammer or does anyone have another idea ?

---------------------------

Christian Porath
Institut fuer Landschaftsoekonomie
Tech 
nische Universitaet Berlin
email: cpp@next2032.le.tu-berlin.de
 to be nearly full compatible to the NeXT-ODs, but I can not push it into the drive.
Should I use the hammer or does anyone have another idea ?

---------------------------

Christian Porath
Institut fuer Landschaftsoekonomie
Tech
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From: guy@dpls.dacc.wisc.edu (Laura Guy)
Subject: Problems with EXABYTE drives; questions concerning DAT drives.
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:49:29 CST

hello.

a few months ago i sent mail to the group concerning the problem
we have using our newly acquired EXABYTE drive with our NeXT.  our
main purpose for purchasing this drive was to create and append to
TAR archives.  there seems to a problem with the NeXT AND the
EXABYTE in that we cannot append to a TAR archive.

my question concerns DAT drives.  are there people out there who can
absolutely CONFIRM that they can use such a drive, which is attached
to their NeXT, and that it will create a TAR archive and then append
to that same archive?

i would appreciate any confirmations, and particularly a description
of the DAT (company, etc).

if anyone out there as had luck with doing TAR appends to an 
EXABYTE, could you please send me mail as well?

thanks much!

laura guy
data and program library service
university of wisconsin-madison

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: Bitch, Bitch, Btich (was Re: New Trinitron Color Monitors)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:58:00 GMT

ambi@it-next2.bu.edu (Michael Amirault) writes:

>  Am I the only one who absolutely *loves* there NeXTStation
>Color with the Fimi 17" display??  Everyday I read in these
>newsgroups how:

> I can't be the only one out there who thinks this all a bunch of 
>garbage, can I?  I have a NSC at home with 16MB of memory and Fimi
>17" monitor and I think it's the best thing I've ever used. 

We have Fimi monitors manufactured from 1991 on to April/May 1992.
Their quality varies greatly.  We have some April 1992 monitors that
are absolutely beautiful.  We have various 1991 monitors that are
all washed out and fuzzy in the middle.  ("Stonewashed" - Drew
Davidson)
Even with the crappy monitors, I think that most people here would
agree that it is the best thing they've ever used.  It's just that
many people (I'm sure Nathan included) think that it's crazy to pay
that much for a monitor when you can buy a better third party for an
equivalent price.  With the new trinitron, they now have no excuse
to buy non-black monitors...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Tilley)
Subject: Re: any advice on Seagate hard disks with a NeXT?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:55:36 GMT

In <1993Jan20.144630.16352@mb3.tu-chemnitz.de> Christian.Andretzky@TU-Chemnitz.DE (Christian Andretzky) writes:


>In general reformatting a disk from the default sector size (512) to 1024  
>B/sector will increase the available raw disk space to appr. 105% of the 512  
>capacity.

>For example in my cube is a seagate st42400n which has a raw capacity of
>203x MB (512B/sec) and a formatted capacity (df)

>/dev/sd1a         1729424  474633 1081848    30%    /disk1

>after reformatting the drive to 1024 the raw capacity is 2175 MB and the
>formatted capacity (df) is now

>                      2138695

This looks like 24%.
The raw increase looks like 7%.
Did you reduce the number of spare sectors to get that 24%?


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.. Richard <tilley@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Computer Services, Networking group.
From: rawyatt@phakt.usc.edu (Robert Alexander Wyatt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: NeXT CD-ROM Problem and Question
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:38:50 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Has anybody had problems with NeXT's CD-ROM drive?

Here's what I mean...I do not have the extended Release 3 on my hard drive
(because I don't have the space), so I sometimes play with the demos, etc.
on the CD...the following has happened several times...the CD starts spinning
and does not stop...I can't eject the disc...I have to logout to get every-
thing to return to normal...what gives?  Any clues?

Also, is there a command to force the CD to mount or dismount?


Thanks a lot!  Please email or post any responses!

Later,
Rob

rawyatt@scf.usc.edu
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From: rseguine@buckeye.mitre.org (Roy SeGuine)
Subject: CD ROM Help
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:10:04 GMT

We have just purchased a NeXT CD ROM player and I cannot seem to get it to be  
recognized.  It's set to SCSI id 5 I get a the following message at boot up:
 
Sony CD ROM  sd1 at sc0 at target 5
SD1 UNIT ATTENTION
Waiting for drive to come ready.....

and then continues skipping over the CD ROM player.  Any thought would be  
appreciated.  Thanks.
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From: jr@sade.ka.sub.org (Jochen Richter)
Subject: Development Tools for TMS320C40 on NeXT?
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:52:51 GMT
Organization: The Home of the Pilhuhn

Hi,

I am looking for TMS320C40 emulations, cross compilers and hardware attachments  
for NeXTstations.

Jochen

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From: ph@pencom.com (Patrick Hester)
Subject: Quantum PD 1050S (not PD1225S)
Reply-To: ph@pencom.com
Organization: Pencom Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:01:53 GMT

Yesterday I posted looking for info on a Quantum disk drive, but I got
the model number wrong. The real number is PD-1050S not PD-1225S. So if
you happen to know anything about this drive, please email and I will
summarize.

Thanks and sorry for the confusion.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
From: nader@bogart (Nader Sahyouni)
Subject: HP LaserJet III and Print Buffer
Keywords: Print 
Reply-To: xns@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:43:40 GMT



We have just upgraded our Color Station to 3.0, connected to
a print buffer device (routes to a number of printers), and then to an HP  
LaserJet III with a Pacific Page PostScript Cartridge.

It simply does not work. I get an error panel saying that the PostScript
image was not completed. In the /usr/adm/lpd-errs file, I get a message like  
this:

Jan 21 18:00:45 lucas Server:lucas_printer[219]: lucas:jerry - start
Jan 21 18:00:54 lucas Server:lucas_printer[219]: PostScript error: rangecheck;  
OffendingCommand: lettertray
Jan 21 18:00:54 lucas Server:lucas_printer[219]: Status: [Error: rangecheck;  
OffendingCommand: lettertray]
Jan 21 18:00:55 lucas Server:lucas_printer[219]: Print job aborted

My best guess is that in version 3.0, the printer driver has to wait for
some info from the printer telling it what kind of tray it is using, 
and that message is getting eaten up by the print buffer device (which
it should not).

Any other ideas out there? It would help me to know that somebody else
had no problem setting up a HP LaserJet III directly to a serial port
as well.

Thanks in advance,
Nader
xns@nwu.edu
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From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: NeXT memory prices
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:40:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.183250.34645@rchland.ibm.com>  
tmaas@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Anthony Maas) writes:
> I remember seeing this a while ago, but does anybody
> have a list of current prices on memory for NeXTs?
> 
> Specifically, I have a mono 68040 NeXTstation, and
> I'm wondering how much I'm going to be gouged to
> upgrade from 8 to 20 meg.
> 
> Please post it or email to tmaas@cs.uwlax.edu(NeXTmail)

Please check comp.sys.next.announce for the FAQ.memory.

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From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: 40 MHz '040
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:28:28 GMT

In article <C166so.9I4@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> qrs@coos.dartmouth.edu (Quabidur R. Safi) writes:
>
>I heard talk of a 40MHz '040 NeXT any more news on that?
>
>Quabid

Well, if NeXT were to sell a 40mhz slab, they would have wait for
motorola to ship a 40mhz 040 first.


andrew
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