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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: Thoughts and predictions?????
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:06:32 GMT
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jasmith@admin1.memst.edu (John) writes:

>Wildcard games are over and my predictions and thoughts have been totally 
>demolished.  Kansas City who I had one though had the capablity of going 
...
>   Philadelphia    27                  Buffalo     10
>at Dallas          24               at Pittsburgh  31

Hopefully your predictions will continue to be demolished :^)
Ok, I've never done this, but I'm going to now.  If I'm wrong, I really
won't have a reason to read this group until next season anyway :^)

Dallas	24 
Philly  10

This is why,

   1) Dallas has too many offensive weopons and will wear the Philly 
      defense down.
   2) Philly's offense wore down the Saints and thus were able to move
      the ball in the 2nd half.  Since Dallas switches defensive players
      in and out, I think they will stay fresh.  In both games this year,
      Dallas' defense played well.
   3) Dallas will be rested, Philly will be tired. 
   4) The fans and the players will be PUMPED.

This is why not,

    1) > 1 turnover.
    2) Smith gets hurt.


			-Ron


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From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Subject: Re: Unlikely Hero: Brian Mitchell
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 18:15:25 GMT





In article <1993Jan3.052021.8064@ne3005.reston.ingr.com>, scott@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry) writes:
->From: scott@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry)
->Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
->Subject: Re: Unlikely Hero: Brian Mitchell
->
->jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
->
->>The Redskins are kicking butt with a former College QB
->>by the name of Brian Mitchell. 
->
->I'm a Cowboys fan, but I know good when I see it.  Brian
->Mitchell is good.  He's been good all the years he's been
->with the 'skins.  Last year, he was overlooked for the 
->Pro Bowl even though he led the league in return average
->for most of the year.  For next year, I'm hoping they
->showcase his talent more.  
->
->>Current score:  Vikings  7  Redskins  24
->
->I can't believe people thought the Vikes would actually
->beat a Redskin team in the playoffs.  Like I said, above,
->I'm a Cowboys fan, I found it hard to believe that most
->of the fans in the area (Washington, D.C.) wrote off
->the 'skins.  Next week against S.F. it's going to be
->one hell of a ball game.  
->
->Prediction:  If Young hasn't moved the niners by the
->second possesion of the second half, Montana will trot
->out.  
->
->I want the 'skins to win against SF but _if_ Montana
->comes out, with the SF crowd, it's going to be like 
->opening night in Dallas.  That said, I want NOTHING
->more than a hot-to-trot Redskin team to come to
->Texas Stadium in two weeks.  
->
->-- 
->***************************************************************************
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->* Intergraph Corporation| AOL: AFL Scott or aflscott@aol.com   | Cowboys! *
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->

Better not forget that you have to play the Eagles first.  It is pretty 
stupid to talk about a game two weeks into the future and forget about your
next opponent.

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From: spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo)
Subject: Re: Chiefs QB
Keywords: QB
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:17:45 GMT

In <1is8n5INNk87@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> marshal@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Timothy Pat Marshall) writes:

> I was wondering how any other Chief's fans felt.  Is Dave Krieg
>the QB to lead the Chiefs to a SB?  Several people have told me that
>he just needs a little more time  and he will be leading us to the
>promised land.  I have my doubts.  I think the Chiefs might be getting
>old, as a team.  They need a good proven veteran QB to lead them.
>How about Joe Montana?  I believe Krieg will always be inconsistant.
>Any other views on the matter?

	Kreig is your basic "temporary problem solver" for the Chiefs, but
blaming the Chiefs woes solely on Krieg is inadequate.  The offense simply
didn't put up the numbers they put up in '91, especially the running game.
The Chiefs have a very good talent is Harvey Williams, but I think Word was
a flash in the pan, and Okoye seems to have lost much of his confidence.
He has a bit mor talent than as a first-and-goal-on-the-one-yard-line player.

	As for defense, is was excellent, despite the loss of Albert Lewis
for a time.  Deron Cherry's retirement was a psychological loss more than 
anything else, but it still lingers.  However, Dale Carter, if he gets a
better grip on the ball, is a future defensive and special teams star.  The
defense is still excellent, but as the Chiefs, the Chargers, and the Eagles
can tell you, large, dominant defenses don't get you to the Super Bowl.  

	Krieg is a good quarterback.  That's about it.  Just like DeBerg
was a good quarterback.  Just like Kenney was a good quarterback.  However,
none of them are or were QBs to take us to the Super Bowl.  We really haven't
had a truly promising quarterback since Kenney in the early '80s.  We need 
to start with the draft and quit picking up thirtysomething quarterbacks
who we know damned well won't get us past the first round of the playoffs,
and that includes Joe Montana.  Montana is a true great, possibly the 
greatest in football.  He'll take us to the playoffs easily.  That's about
it.  

	With the quarterback troubles, we need a rookie.  Since we're not 
likely to pick up a high-number QB from the draft, we should trade for a
high spot in the draft, perhaps trading Word off to Atlanta or the Rams
for a higher spot in the draft.  Anything.  But we need youth at QB.  If
the Chiefs can't do that, trade for second-stringer who hasn't been in 
the league for more than seven or eight years, like Andre Ware, Steve Bono,
Reich, or Gelbaugh.  Anything but oldsters who may be good but only repeat
the problems a year or two down the road.

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[]  rich.				     Bradley University   []
[]  spork@camelot.bradley.edu		     Peoria, IL	 	  []
[]  So much for friggin' Chiefs and Saints in Super Bowl XXVII	  [] 
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From: punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi)
Subject: Re: NFL Labor Accord Reached
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:17:36 GMT

I want to clarify the concept of a restricted free agent.
Does this Labor Agreement define a restricted free agent as a player without a
contract and with at least 3 years & not more than 5 years of NFL experience?
So, other teams can "bid" for this restricted free agent's services and if 
one (B) indeed signs him, then the team that loses him (A) receives a
compensatory draft pick (not from B however).  Now, can A match the contract
offer of B and then keep the player without getting the compesatory pick?
E.g., I believe that Emmitt Smith may be a restricted free agent according
to the above definition.

	Sanjeev
From: lang@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John J. Lang)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:24:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Det/SF rehash, Niner prospects
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
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In rec.sport.football.pro, daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418) writes:
> The monster nightmare for SF is a mirror of 80/81.  Dallas shocks SF
> for the NFC crown, Montana is gone and Young's ego never recovers.

Let's also not forget the early 70's when Dallas and the 49ers meet twice
in the NFC Championship game.  Dallas won both of them, and went on to
dominate the NFC in the 70's.  The reverse happened in 81.  Could this
year be the third passing of the torch between these 2 teams?  Or will
SF hold on to it this time?

John Lang
lang@fc.hp.com
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Rooney Rule
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:01:14 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1993Jan11.210042.8996@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>What do you mean, "mockery?"  There's still a salary cap, isn't there?
>And anyway, the Redskins, Oilers, Bears, Giants and Raiders will probably
>make much more noise in the FA market than Dallas and Buffalo.

I thought the salary cap was only applying to rookies salaries capped at
2 million dollars. Is there another cap too? I thought the 57% of revenue
or whatever they were talking about meant that if it dropped below you can
become a free agent one year faster(4 instead of 5). Is there a cap now 
like in the NBA or is it just a rookie salary cap?

By mockery I meant, that from what I have been reading and hearing this year,
the 49ers and Cowboys as well as the Raiders have been mentioned by numerous
potential free agents and those teams were preparing to shell out serious
cash to bring them in. Now the Raiders are really just a decent Qb away from
being a playoff team, but if the 49ers and Cowboys are the big winners in
free agency it would really IMHO hurt the NFL. Parity is good for the league.

Buying titles has not worked in baseball or basketball, but it could possibly 
work in the NFL. One of the primary reasons the 49ers have been so good is
DeBartolo is willing to pay top dollar for top talent, that is why his payroll
is so high, and why so many players when asked who interested them if they
could go free agent, answered San Francisco. Its a great organization to play 
for, you win and you get paid well. If all these players suddenly could go 
anywhere and DeBartolo was willing to spend the cash, they could simply
blow everyone out of the water.



Russ Smith
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Date: Wednesday, 6 Jan 1993 14:17:32 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Redskins
 <1if5fhINNl9@spim.mti.sgi.com> <1if8j5INNqn9@rodan.UU.NET>
 <1993Jan6.201422.10399@leland.Stanford.EDU>

True the 9ers beat the Dolphins and the Lions in the only mud bowls at the
"Stick" this season, but lets face the truth, Hogs love to roll in the mud
and find the dry spot!   Washington +9, pauleese! ...more like 9ers -3.
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From: carol@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (alan.galinsky)
Subject: Nobody Does it Better
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:46:38 GMT

I really don't understand all this Madden bashing.
Big John's not perfect but who does a better job?

Maybe I am in the minority but I enjoy John's insight, observations
and humor.  I think he has the ability to point out subtleties that
can make a dull game interesting and an interesting game a classic.

Again, who do you think does a better job than John?  Better yet,
which team does a better job than Pat and John?  


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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Cowboys at Last!
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:15:51 GMT

In article <3297@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.192308.20102@pbhyg.PacBell.COM> dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok) writes:
>>The 49ers COULD NOT run sweeps against the Redskins because of the
>>field.  Almost all of Waters' runs were straight up the gut.  The
>>field will be worse next Sunday (and 49er fans know that the 49er
>>sweep is an often run play - did you see it during the game?).  How
>>will Dallas do against a good run defense and a lousy field, where
>>it will be hard to run wide?  The game will tell us.
>
>Dallas customarily runs straight up the middle.  Supposedly, this is
>because of Emmitt Smith's running style and lack of speed -- he can make
>people miss him, but he can't beat them to the corner.  Personally, I
>think their wrong, but that's how they do it.  Emmitt also averages
>twenty yards more per game on turf over his career -- maybe the Cowboys
>should move back to the Cotten Bowl. :^)
>
>Slippery footing could work both ways in Emmitt's case.  He could be
>hampered in making his cuts, but the defenders will also be hampered in
>trying to react to them.  I think he might have a slight edge because
>he doesn't make dramatic changes of direction, just enough to dance
>around tacklers.
>
>>Before you judge the 49ers based on the Redskins game remember
>>two things:  the Cowboys didn't play on that muddy field and
>>the Cowboys didn't beat the Redskins the last time they played.
>
>This is certainly true.  I think a lot of people are overrating the
>difference in how Dallas and San Francisco won their games.  Hopefully,
>the resodding currently going on will help a lot, though I'm skeptical
>that the grass can connect that quickly.
>
>Isn't their anyway to cover the field during the week?  It's hard to
>believe that it is so helpless before the elements.

According to the head groundskeeper, the tarp was on the field last
week during the rains.  It was only taken off at 10:30am, when, by
NFL rules, both teams must be allowed to practice.  The problems are
that: 1) the tarp "sweats" and causes moisture to collect under it,
and 2) the field drains very, very poorly.

The NFL has taken over the maintenance of the field, with Toma
in charge.  According to the stories in the paper, both the 49ers
and Cowboys agreed to have the NFL take over maintenance of the
field before this game.

>
>Daniel Welch
>----
>We're men.  It's our God-given right to watch sports and smut.
>
>			-- Al Bundy
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: O'Donnell WILL play!
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:28:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QfGWScG00WDKQ0ta9p
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

It was announced yesterday but I haven't seen any announcements about it
around here. Cowher held a press conference yesterday (Monday) and said
that Neil will be the starter on Saturday.

Good Luck to everybody and their teams.

--Vernon.
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From: bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes)
Subject: Re: Hamish
Organization: AT&T Looney Bin
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:06:00 GMT

From article <1993Jan6.233812.10187@math.ucla.edu>, by rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw):
> Why don't you go suck some cock, with the rest of the 
> 120 pound AIDS stricken homo's who play soccer.
> 
> --
> Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)
> 
> The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us are going to the stars.

Dear homophobe,
	This is rec.sport.football.pro.  Please keep your bigotted
garbage out of this newsgroup.  Hard to believe that Hamish could
bring someone out who appears to be even more stupid than he appears
to be.

terry
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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Bills suck !
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:16:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.012711.3147@math.ucla.edu> rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw) writes:
>Well last week my prediction was that the Bills players didn't care and
>it would be Houton: 98 ; Buffalo: 0. But, the players percieved that 
>the fans knew their of their lack of interest since the game was blacked
>out, etc.
>So, knowing that they were playing for their next paycheck, they put on
>one hell of a show. Now, that they have rekindled support, they figure
>that it would be nice to spend Monday in Hawaii on vacation.
>The Bills don't even want to show up Saturday. Most are faking injuries.
>Prediction: Steelers 10
>            Bills: 0
>(I would write in 98 points for the Steelers, but they suck too. I figure 
>that 10-0 is the closest they'll evere come to a blowout.)
>
>--
>Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@joshua.math.ucla.edu)
>
Well Ron (antiwoofmeister) Fedkiw, this isn't going to work. Let me
just say that the bills are football gods and will probably never lose
again. They will whip poor pittsburgh, oh..... 98-0. Count on it! 

Tony (go san diego) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty)
Subject: Re: Madden is an Idiot.
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:14:26 GMT

In article <C0Couw.GLI@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:
> I used to like to listen to John "MAD" den before, but not
> anymore.  As long as he sticks to the chalk board it is
> OK, but it gets irrittating when he goes on rambling endlessly
> on some silly and unconnected things like a total idiot.
> 
> Yesterday, during the Eagles/Saints game, it got *horrible*
> and I muted the TV and put on the Radio commentary. 
> And for his stupid rambling about the refree who was injured
> in a fracas during the game .... What more needs to be said.
> 
> And he always goes into *orgasm* whenever the name Dallas
> Cowboys is mentioned and the doddering starts all over. 
> Can't he keep shut atleast for a while and allow the poor
> fans to watch the game.
> I do not know why people like to
> be included in the All- MAD-den team.  He is getting senile
> and denigrating into a total fool.
> 
> S.H
> (The Purple Bleeder)



**  Hey, I bet this guy watched all three Amy Fisher programs!
From: bverreau@netom.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: More Predictions
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:55:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communications Network

In article <1993Jan5.222521.9328@coopsol.com> (Gordon Storga) writes:

> Obligatory NFC East taunt:  Has anyone noticed that the NFC East was the
> only divisin in football to send three contenders?  And that after the
> first round of playoffs all three are still in the hunt?  Pretty
> impressive I'd say.

This taunt is wearing thin, especially when you consider that it
rests on a single come-from-behind victory (Phil vs. NO).

> Predictions:  
> Washington 27  SF 10
>
> Washington is hot with impressive individual performances as well as team
> efforts.  SF had a week off and may be distracted by the Montana issue.

Washington 17  SF 20

No argument about the first statement, but SF has only been idle 5 days
longer than Washington and there is no Montana issue.  Young will start
and play the whole game unless injured.  As long as he leads them to a
win, there won't be any quarterback controversy for the next game, either.

> Close first half with second half special team play that breaks it open
> for Washington.  SF goes with Young the whole way leaving fans to question
> Seifert and starting an off-season qb controversy.

I'm afraid management has already made up their minds about trading Montana,
but if it means they might reconsider, that would at least provide some
consolation after a Niner upset.  Win or lose, I don't think Seifert's
coaching is in question.

> Dallas 31  Philly 13
> SD 21  Miami 17

I'll go along with these.

> Buffalo 35  Pittsburgh 17

Buffalo 21  Pittsburgh 31

I subscribe to the "more likely to lose after an emotional win" theory.
-
Bernie Verreau                                bverreau@netcom.com
Netcom Online Communications                  Redwood City, CA
From: mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bledsoe to the NFL
Date: 5 Jan 1993 08:31:48 GMT
Organization: NCEMRSoft
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin) writes:

|We know that New England has the #1 pick in the upcoming draft, while the
|Seahawks will pick second.  I'm curious what those who are familiar with
|the Pats think of the probability of their picking Bledsoe.  IMHO, the
|Seahawks are an impact quarterback away from getting back to .500
|(perhaps even better) within the next couple seasons, and would certainly
|take Bledsoe if he were still available.
|Any comments?

I am a Patriots follower, and I don't think they want to pick Bledsoe.  If
they did, they would probably look for a trade for some above average players.
I would not be surprised if they traded down, maybe with Seattle.  Seattle
would very much like to pick a QB, they might me willing to pay for the top
pick.  New England doesn't really have the dire need for a QB that Seattle
does, but the recent injuries to the first three QBs make picking Bledsoe
all the more tempting.  If NE keeps the first pick, I would predict they
would pick a defensive player.  I hope they pick Marvin Jones, but would be
happy with Curry or Copeland from Alabama.  Their dire needs IMHO are the
offensive line and WRs, and there isn't anybody worth wasting a #1 pick in
either of those categories.

As for Seattle, I agree that if they got Bledsoe and if he is good as they
say he is, they could get back to .500.  They could also use a decent RB
and maybe another WR.

--
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From: stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: The Axe Falls in Chicago....
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:05:24 GMT

(Andy Knipp SE Andersen) writes:

*Ditka will stay on 1 year as a "consultant" because he had 1 year left
*on his contract.  No word on a successor.  

 Yeah right.... like that's going to happen!

*IMHO,  they fired the wrong guy.  McCaskey should walk.

 Agreed... but that would mean he would have to be fired
 by his Mom and Dad.  

 --
 Michael                      
 stailey@comm.mot.com     


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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Packers Ray Rhodes contacted for HC jobs
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 12 JAN 93 13:04:08    

Two teams have asked for and have been given permission to speak to the 
Packer's defensive coordinator, Ray Rhodes, about a head coaching job. 

One of the teams is the Denver Broncos.  The name of the other team 
was not disclosed (bet it's the Bears).  It seems pretty unlikely 
that, unless Ray really wows 'em during the interview, he'll be offered 
a head coaching job.  He's been a coordinator for only 1 year and the 
Packers finished 18th defensively this year.

JGH
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