HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: news@cs.ubc.ca (Usenet News)
Subject: UBC CS News Stats
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 10:30:59 GMT


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Hostname            	Queued	  Got	 Dups	 Junk	 Ctrl
--------            	 ----	  ---	 ----	 ----	 ----
beaver.cs.washington	 4994	   89	   12	    0	    2
canada.scheme.cs.ubc	 2078	    0	    0	    0	    0
clipper.uvic.ca     	 1448	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.binaries.apple2	    1	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.binaries.mac   	    5	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.lang.c         	   29	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.lang.fortran   	    7	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.os.minix       	   10	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sources.amiga  	  201	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sources.unix   	    2	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.dec        	    5	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.ibm.pc.dige	   24	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.mac        	  133	    0	    0	    0	    0
cs.sfu.ca           	 6278	    2	    0	    0	    0
destroyer.rs.itd.umi	 1099	 5409	    0	  380	   65
fs1.ee.ubc.ca       	 5313	    3	    0	    0	    0
malin1.mala.bc.ca   	 6534	    0	    0	    0	    0
mammoth.tera.com    	   20	    0	    0	    0	    0
maps                	    8	    0	    0	    0	    0
merlin              	   74	    0	    0	    0	    0
mprgate.mpr.ca      	 6280	    0	    0	    0	    0
news-server.csri.tor	    7	  621	    4	   32	    8
news.admin          	   11	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.sysadmin       	    2	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.uvic.ca        	 6394	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.wimsey.bc.ca   	 6022	  316	   22	   19	    8
newshost.ucs.ubc.ca 	 6470	   74	    0	    3	    0
newsserver.sfu.ca   	 6382	   12	    0	    0	    0
orion.gov.bc.ca     	 4294	    0	    0	    0	    0
scapa.cs.ualberta.ca	 6388	    0	    0	    0	    0
sophlab.cs.ubc.ca   	 2070	    0	    0	    0	    0
--------            	 ----	  ---	 ----	 ----	 ----
Totals              	72583	 6526	   38	  434	   83

Control:
news.wimsey.bc.ca 8
beaver.cs.washington.edu 2
news-server.csri.toronto.edu 8
destroyer.rs.itd.umich.edu 65
ubc-cs 3
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Remote     K-Bytes   K-Bytes   K-Bytes  Hours  Hours AvCPS AvCPS    #    #
SiteName      Recv      Xmit     Total   Recv   Xmit  Recv  Xmit Recv Xmit
-------- --------- --------- --------- ------ ------ ----- ----- ---- ----
merlin       0.000  1068.048  1068.048   0.00   0.22     0  1412    0   50

Total active uucp sites:	      1

Total files rec d:	              0
Total files xmit:	             50
Total files:		             50

Total bytes rec d:	              0
Total bytes xmit:	        1093681
Total bytes:		        1093681



Newsgroups: bc.news.stats
From: news@cs.ubc.ca (Usenet News)
Subject: UBC CS News Stats
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 10:28:38 GMT


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Hostname            	Queued	  Got	 Dups	 Junk	 Ctrl
--------            	 ----	  ---	 ----	 ----	 ----
beaver.cs.washington	 3763	 1209	    0	    6	   12
canada.scheme.cs.ubc	 2081	    0	    0	    0	    0
clipper.uvic.ca     	 1584	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.binaries.mac   	    4	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.lang.c         	   15	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.lang.fortran   	    9	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.os.minix       	    3	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sources.amiga  	  181	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sources.unix   	    1	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.dec        	    5	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.ibm.pc.dige	   14	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.mac        	  156	    0	    0	    0	    0
cs.sfu.ca           	 6393	    3	    0	    0	    0
destroyer.rs.itd.umi	 4287	 2443	    0	  170	   34
fs1.ee.ubc.ca       	 5576	    2	    0	    0	    0
k12.3               	    2	    0	    0	    0	    0
malin1.mala.bc.ca   	 6737	    0	    0	    0	    0
mammoth.tera.com    	   26	    0	    0	    0	    0
maps                	    6	    0	    0	    0	    0
merlin              	   71	    0	    0	    0	    0
mprgate.mpr.ca      	 6396	    0	    0	    0	    0
news-server.csri.tor	    5	 2057	    4	  158	   30
news.admin          	   11	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.uvic.ca        	 6555	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.wimsey.bc.ca   	 5665	  934	   67	  113	   14
newshost.ucs.ubc.ca 	 6692	   57	    3	    1	    2
newsserver.sfu.ca   	 6536	   19	    0	    2	    0
orion.gov.bc.ca     	 4443	    0	    0	    0	    0
scapa.cs.ualberta.ca	 6546	    0	    0	    0	    0
sophlab.cs.ubc.ca   	 2075	    0	    0	    0	    0
--------            	 ----	  ---	 ----	 ----	 ----
Totals              	75838	 6724	   74	  450	   92

Control:
news.wimsey.bc.ca 14
news-server.csri.toronto.edu 30
beaver.cs.washington.edu 12
destroyer.rs.itd.umich.edu 34
newshost.ucs.ubc.ca 2
ubc-cs 1
-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Remote     K-Bytes   K-Bytes   K-Bytes  Hours  Hours AvCPS AvCPS    #    #
SiteName      Recv      Xmit     Total   Recv   Xmit  Recv  Xmit Recv Xmit
-------- --------- --------- --------- ------ ------ ----- ----- ---- ----
merlin       0.000   240.479   240.479   0.00   0.05     0  1276    0   44

Total active uucp sites:	      1

Total files rec d:	              0
Total files xmit:	             44
Total files:		             44

Total bytes rec d:	              0
Total bytes xmit:	         246251
Total bytes:		         246251



Newsgroups: bc.news.stats
From: news@cs.ubc.ca (Usenet News)
Subject: UBC CS News Stats
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 10:57:46 GMT


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unknown action news.uvic.ca
unknown action 
Hostname            	Queued	  Got	 Dups	 Junk	 Ctrl
--------            	 ----	  ---	 ----	 ----	 ----
'<'                 	    1	    0	    0	    0	    0
beaver.cs.washington	12751	  228	    0	    2	    0
canada.scheme.cs.ubc	 5031	    0	    0	    0	    0
clipper.uvic.ca     	 3257	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.binaries.mac   	    4	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.lang.c         	   52	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.lang.fortran   	    8	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.os.minix       	    9	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.risks          	    2	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sources.amiga  	  319	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sources.unix   	    3	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.dec        	   29	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.ibm.pc.dige	   58	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.mac        	  363	    0	    0	    0	    0
cs.sfu.ca           	15775	    5	    0	    0	    0
destroyer.rs.itd.umi	 3880	12037	    1	  765	  105
fs1.ee.ubc.ca       	13573	    3	    0	    1	    0
k12.3               	    1	    0	    0	    0	    0
malin1.mala.bc.ca   	16084	    0	    0	    0	    0
mammoth.tera.com    	   80	    0	    0	    0	    0
merlin              	  162	    0	    0	    0	    0
mprgate.mpr.ca      	15775	    5	    0	    0	    0
news-server.csri.tor	   10	 3387	    1	  129	   42
news.admin          	   46	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.sysadmin       	    4	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.uvic.ca        	15986	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.wimsey.bc.ca   	15561	  234	   30	   31	    4
newshost.ucs.ubc.ca 	15953	  180	    0	   10	    4
newsserver.sfu.ca   	15949	   37	    0	    1	    1
orion.gov.bc.ca     	10884	    0	    0	    0	    0
scapa.cUnbalanced   	    1	    0	    0	    0	    0
scapa.cs.ualberta.ca	15809	    0	    0	    0	    0
sophlab.cs.ubc.ca   	 5031	    0	    0	    0	    0
--------            	 ----	  ---	 ----	 ----	 ----
Totals              	182451	16116	   32	  939	  156

Control:
news-server.csri.toronto.edu 42
newsserver.sfu.ca 1
newshost.ucs.ubc.ca 4
news.wimsey.bc.ca 4
destroyer.rs.itd.umich.edu 105
news.UVic.CA 1
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Remote     K-Bytes   K-Bytes   K-Bytes  Hours  Hours AvCPS AvCPS    #    #
SiteName      Recv      Xmit     Total   Recv   Xmit  Recv  Xmit Recv Xmit
-------- --------- --------- --------- ------ ------ ----- ----- ---- ----
merlin       0.000   233.888   233.888   0.00   0.05     0  1224    0   48

Total active uucp sites:	      1

Total files rec d:	              0
Total files xmit:	             48
Total files:		             48

Total bytes rec d:	              0
Total bytes xmit:	         239501
Total bytes:		         239501



Newsgroups: bc.news.stats
From: news@cs.ubc.ca (Usenet News)
Subject: UBC CS News Stats
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 10:51:36 GMT


-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hostname            	Queued	  Got	 Dups	 Junk	 Ctrl
--------            	 ----	  ---	 ----	 ----	 ----
beaver.cs.washington	12805	  308	    3	    0	    2
canada.scheme.cs.ubc	 5122	    0	    0	    0	    0
clipper.uvic.ca     	 3244	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.binaries.apple2	   36	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.binaries.mac   	    3	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.lang.c         	   52	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.lang.fortran   	   33	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.os.minix       	    7	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sources.amiga  	  375	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sources.unix   	    4	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.dec        	   10	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.ibm.pc.dige	  100	    0	    0	    0	    0
comp.sys.mac        	  357	    0	    0	    0	    0
cs.sfu.ca           	15966	    0	    0	    0	    0
destroyer.rs.itd.umi	 6706	 9147	    0	  558	   65
fs1.ee.ubc.ca       	14048	    5	    0	    0	    0
k12.3               	    5	    0	    0	    0	    0
malin1.mala.bc.ca   	16182	    0	    0	    0	    0
mammoth.tera.com    	   51	    0	    0	    0	    0
maps                	    9	    0	    0	    0	    0
merlin              	  140	    0	    0	    0	    0
mprgate.mpr.ca      	15957	    9	    0	    0	    0
news-server.csri.tor	    7	 6214	    2	  349	   60
news.admin          	   31	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.sysadmin       	    3	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.uvic.ca        	16044	    0	    0	    0	    0
news.wimsey.bc.ca   	15648	  326	  189	   49	    0
newshost.ucs.ubc.ca 	16086	  126	    0	    3	    2
newsserver.sfu.ca   	16004	   40	    0	    2	    0
orion.gov.bc.ca     	11266	    0	    0	    0	    0
scapa.cs.ualberta.ca	16039	    0	    0	    0	    0
sophlab.cs.ubc.ca   	 5113	    0	    0	    0	    0
--------            	 ----	  ---	 ----	 ----	 ----
Totals              	187453	16175	  194	  961	  129

Control:
beaver.cs.washington.edu 2
news-server.csri.toronto.edu 60
destroyer.rs.itd.umich.edu 65
newshost.ucs.ubc.ca 2
-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Remote     K-Bytes   K-Bytes   K-Bytes  Hours  Hours AvCPS AvCPS    #    #
SiteName      Recv      Xmit     Total   Recv   Xmit  Recv  Xmit Recv Xmit
-------- --------- --------- --------- ------ ------ ----- ----- ---- ----
merlin       0.000   203.736   203.736   0.00   0.05     0  1089    0   34

Total active uucp sites:	      1

Total files rec d:	              0
Total files xmit:	             34
Total files:		             34

Total bytes rec d:	              0
Total bytes xmit:	         208626
Total bytes:		         208626



Newsgroups: bc.bcnet
From: Mike.Patterson@mtsg.ubc.ca
Subject: CA*net outage tonight between 8: 30 and 9:30 p.m.
To: BCnet.Outages.and.Operations.Mailing.List@mtsg.ubc.ca
Originator: daemon@unixg.ubc.ca
X-Mts-Userid: MPAT
Organization: UBC Mail to News Gateway
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:30:18 GMT

CA*net continues to try to fix the "page fault" problem which has
crashed their psp routers (those routers which deal with lines within
Canada).  The latest approach is to change the software to halt the
processor when the fault happens so that its status can be examined
closely. 
 
Outages may occur tonight (Wednesday August 26) between 8:30 and 9:30
when the psp software is changed.  These will disconnect BCnet from
the rest of Canada, but not from the NSFNET and the rest of the
Internet. 
 
 -- Mike Patterson, BCnet manager
Newsgroups: bc.bcnet
From: Mike.Patterson@mtsg.ubc.ca
Subject: The UVic link is now really up
To: BCnet.Outages.and.Operations.Mailing.List@mtsg.ubc.ca
Originator: daemon@unixg.ubc.ca
X-Mts-Userid: MPAT
Organization: UBC Mail to News Gateway
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:22:22 GMT

At about 7:10 this evening the link between UVic and SFU Harbour Centre
was finally restored to service by BCTel.  This outage took substantially
longer than their target 4 hours to fix.  I will be complaining to them
tomorrow. 
 
 -- Mike
From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: bc.bcnet
Subject: BC Systems BCnet upgrade to T-1
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:43:50 -0700
Reply-To: EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

On Friday morning at 6 am (still tentative at this time), the BCnet link from
BC Systems to UVic will be upgraded from 56kpbs to T-1.  This will allow
Research Computing B.C. (home of the 8,192 processor DECmpp 12000 and the Vax
9420VP) to have T-1 connectivity to the 3 major BC universities.

-- 

Ed Wilts, BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA   |   Ed.Wilts@BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA   |   (604) 389-3430
Newsgroups: bc.bcnet
From: Mike.Patterson@mtsg.ubc.ca
Subject: The link to Victoria is up again
To: BCnet.Technical.Mailing.List@mtsg.ubc.ca
Originator: daemon@unixg.ubc.ca
X-Mts-Userid: MPAT
Organization: UBC Mail to News Gateway
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:32:56 GMT

The BCTel T1 circuit which connects all of the BCnet sites in Victoria
to SFU Harbour Centre in down town Vancouver and thus to the rest of 
BCnet and the Internet went down at about 1:50 this afternoon.  One
person I talked to in BCTel suggested that some ham-handed technician 
who works with CT&S within BCTel was working on some equipment at the 
Albion exchange in Victoria and goofed, taking down a number of circuits.
The T1 came back up at about 4:25 this afternoon, but was down again at
about 4:45.  I have told BCTel, and await their response. 
 -- Mike Patterson, BCnet manager 
Newsgroups: tor.uucp,ont.uucp
From: anton@analsyn.gts.org (Anton J Aylward)
Subject: Re: uucico w/v32bis vs zmodem w/v32bis
Organization: ASCI: UNIX Database and Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:35:34 GMT

ross@zooid.guild.org (Ross Ridge) writes:
: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:
: 
: >	Why do I get better speeds with zmodem using v.32bis on
: >a Worldblazer then uucico?
: 
: Because Zmodem is a better protocol with less overhead than UUCP's
: g protocol.


"Better" for what, under what circumstances?
Conversely what are the circumstances where uucp is "better"
than Zmodem?

Kindly don't pontificate absolutes, there are no absolutes.
Only religious zealots think otherwise, which is why we call them
"religious wars".
--
Anton J Aylward
Newsgroups: tor.uucp,ont.uucp,comp.dcom.modems,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.protocols.misc
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: uucico w/v32bis vs zmodem w/v32bis
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX System (416-249-5366) 24hrs.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 01:19:42 GMT

Hi Folks...

	Stupid question of the week...maybe even the year...but it
has me curious :)

	Why do I get better speeds with zmodem using v.32bis on
a Worldblazer then uucico?

	I just compiled ecu 3.16 so that I had something to
use to download using zmodem.  I logged into the TelixBBs
last night and downloaded three files, 1 about 200k the other
just over 100k.  The cps rate it gave me at the end of
the transfer was 1600/cps.  The highest I've ever seen with
uucico on that file, even in PEP mode, has never been higher
then 1400/cps.

	Now, my understanding was that ecu 3.16 gave pretty 
accurate transfer stats...but I don't know.  I like the
rates, but am curious as to why uucico is so much slower :(

Thanks...

Marc
-- 
Marc G. Fournier      | R-node Public Access Unix running UnixBBS 1.03
Etobicoke, Ontario    | 416-249-5366   24hrs 7 days/week   network email
voice: 249-4230       | shell/feed accounts available   1800+ newsgroups
marc@r-node.pci.on.ca | Telebit T3000/SupraModem2400/Cardinal 2400  FREE
Newsgroups: tor.uucp,ont.uucp
From: Ross Ridge <ross@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: uucico w/v32bis vs zmodem w/v32bis
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:11:32 GMT

marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:
>Hi Folks...
>
>	Stupid question of the week...maybe even the year...but it
>has me curious :)

So of course you crosspost it to hell, just so everybody can know
how stupid it is.

>	Why do I get better speeds with zmodem using v.32bis on
>a Worldblazer then uucico?

Because Zmodem is a better protocol with less overhead than UUCP's
g protocol.

							Ross Ridge

-- 
Ross Ridge - The Great HTMU					     l/	 //
								    [OO][oo]
ross@zooid.guild.org						    /()\/()/
uunet.ca!zooid!ross						     db	 //
Newsgroups: tor.uucp,ont.uucp
From: Ross Ridge <ross@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: uucico w/v32bis vs zmodem w/v32bis
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:10:13 GMT

marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:
>Why do I get better speeds with zmodem using v.32bis on
>a Worldblazer then uucico?

ross@zooid.guild.org (Ross Ridge) writes:
> Because Zmodem is a better protocol with less overhead than UUCP's
> g protocol.

anton@analsyn.gts.org (Anton J Aylward) writes:
>"Better" for what, under what circumstances?

All circumstances that I know of.  I don't think g protocol even has an
advantage over Zmodem on noisy lines.  

>Conversely what are the circumstances where uucp is "better"
>than Zmodem?

UUCP g protocol?  See above.

>Kindly don't pontificate absolutes, there are no absolutes.
>Only religious zealots think otherwise, which is why we call them
>"religious wars".

Spare me your dumb philosophy.

							Ross Ridge

-- 
Ross Ridge - The Great HTMU					     l/	 //
								    [OO][oo]
ross@zooid.guild.org						    /()\/()/
uunet.ca!zooid!ross						     db	 //
Newsgroups: tor.uucp,ont.uucp,comp.dcom.modems,comp.unix.sysv386,comp.protocols.misc
From: honey@citi.umich.edu (Peter Honeyman)
Subject: Re: uucico w/v32bis vs zmodem w/v32bis
Reply-To: honey@citi.umich.edu
Organization: Center for Information Technology Integration, Univ of Michigan
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:33:07 GMT

william E Davidsen writes:
|>   Greater packet overhead, I suspect. Are you using uucp spoofing to
|> eliminate sending all the overhead on the wire? S111.

this perpetuates a myth regarding telebit uucp spoofing.  it is
false.  the 'g' headers are *not* stripped, they are sent from one
modem to the next. 

	peter
From: vid@zooid.guild.org (David Mason)
Newsgroups: tor.general
Subject: Renting a room
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:42:54 GMT


Does anyone know if it is possible to rent just one room for a business at a
very inexpensive rate?

Basically it will just be a computer and modems running in a room with a
number of business phone lines coming into it. However, the costs would have
to be very low. Hydro would be minimum but it would be paid for as well. Also,
24 hour access would be required in case of problems. Does anyone have any
ideas? Ideally, an organization that wouldn't mind sharing rent (under the
table or some other arrangement) and can provide the access. It must also be
in the central Toronto area.  

Thanks for any hints or solutions.

Xref: sparky tor.general:1189 ont.general:1717
Newsgroups: tor.general,ont.general,ut.general
From: sandra@csri.toronto.edu (sandra smith)
Subject: Help for a Czech student
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: ont
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:45:28 GMT

Peter, a student at a Czechoslovakian university, is in Canada
for 6 weeks.  He would very much appreciate 10-20 minutes of
a generous person's time in suggesting sources and references for
his final project.
If there is someone out there who can talk to him about the effects
of upper CASE influence on system development and management, then
please send me email and I'll put you in touch with him.

Thanks

--sandra
------------
sandra@csri.toronto.edu
416 978 8715

final project.  
~v
Newsgroups: tor.general
From: dekai@cs.toronto.edu (Dekai Wu)
Subject: SALE computers synths tv stereo furniture kitchen
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: ont
Date: 3 Sep 92 22:41:26 GMT

    The following items are being sold as I am moving out of the country.
    All prices are "OR BEST OFFER BEFORE SEP 8".

* COMPUTERS *
Mac II w/40 meg hard drive, Apple hi-res 13" monitor,		$1900
  Apple extended keyboard, Apple video card, Imagewriter
  (Biggest Mac chassis, upgradeable all the way to Mac II FX!)
Toshiba T1000 notebook w/internal 2400 baud modem		$375
  (760k floppy drive, MS-DOS in ROM, serial port, parallel port
  Great throw-around machine for writing papers, taking notes)

* MUSIC *
Yamaha DX-7 synthesizer						$575
Ensoniq Mirage sampler keyboard	(velocity sensitive, floppy)	$450
Roland MT-32 multitimbral MIDI sound module			$300
Ross 4-track cassette/mixer (4 analog meters!)			$275
Alesis Midiverb							$80

* ENTERTAINMENT *
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From: bmw@isgtec.com (Bruce M. Walker)
Newsgroups: tor.general
Subject: Q: does "FIX SIGNS" mean anything to anyone?
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:39:47 GMT
Distribution: tor
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

This is just idle curiosity, but ... for the last little while (months
anyway, maybe years?) I've seen this peculiar graffiti appearing on
paperboxes, garbage containers and utility poles:

	FIX SIGNS

I've noticed it all over the west end of Toronto; I've seen it in
dozens of places.  It is invariably done in thick, black felt pen, and
the lettering is fairly neat and deliberate (for grafitti).  It looks
like someone really wants to get this message across.  Trouble is, what
does it *mean*?

I can think of a few possibilities:

- someone is complaining that the signals don't work ... but they
  are all in perfect working order;

- it's a complaint from francophones about a lack of bilingualism ...
  but that doesn't make sense either, because all the visible signs
  are simple icons: Stop, traffic lights, keep to right of traffic
  island; all are non-language dependent.

- it's the name of a group ... nah.

But to make it more interesting, I've also seen this graffiti, sometimes
in the same intersections, and always in the same felt marker lettering:

	SPIT OUT THE APPLE

Now this sounds more mysterious.  Could it be the work of a religious
cult?  What's the "apple"?  Suburban excesses?

Less often, but again in the infamous black lettering, I've seen this:

	DEFY BABEL

Now *this* I can at least pin on the Rastefarians, can't I?  It's they
that believe that Western civilization, which they call Babel, is an
evil to avoid.  But how does this tie in with the other messages?  Or
does it at all?  Is there some demented TTC rider out there somewhere
laughing at us all for trying to fathom what these phrases signify?

Anybody?

--
"The path of my life is strewn with cowpats from the devils' own herd."
                                          -- Edmund Blackadder II
bmw@isgtec.com   [ ...!uunet.ca!isgtec!bmw ]  Bruce Walker
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