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From: bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright)
Subject: Lovelight's
Reply-To: bg377@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Wainwright)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 20:39:16 GMT


A poll to take your minds off other stuff.


What do you think is the best version of lovelight?

Only caveat is it must have been done by/with PigPen.

Two that strike me are 2-11-70 and 2-1-70.

The 2-11 is with Greg and Duan Allmann, Greg (I think) takes
a shot at the vocals and it is uncanny how much Brent sounded like
the Allman brother who sang on this version.

2-1 is almost the whole side of a tape and is killer.


Send your replies to me and I while compile a list and post it.


Rich
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Subject: message misdeliveries!
Reply-To: mer6g@fuggles.acc.Virginia.EDU
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:12:13 GMT

Dear Clarkson University Postmasters,

I have dozens of messages like this in my mailbox.  Note the delay at
omnigate.  There are two messages, both destined for

    rizzojp@logic.camp.clarkson.edu

which have each been bounced repeatedly back to dead-heads and dead-flames,
which are each *large* distribution lists.  In fact, everything on
dead-flames gets posted to rec.music.gdead!

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From: Jay Ludoviconi 407-796-2816 <ludovicj@pwfl.com>
Subject: Trivia question
Reply-To: ludovicj@pwfl.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:33:46 GMT

What song has been sung by three different members of the Dead ?
(lead singing throughout the whole song and at a Dead show)

Jay     ludovicj@pwfl.com 
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From: rewerts@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Chris C Rewerts)
Subject: Re: smokin' at shows
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:04:58 GMT

quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia) writes:

[....]

>Here is a really effective strategy for discourageing smoking at
>shows. I've done this before though I haven't gone to many shows
>in the last few years. Just bring a good solid water pistol with
>decent range and accuracy, and put peoples ciggarettes out for
>them. Not only does it work, but it's ALOT of fun too! If people
>started a movement like this there would be alot less smoke and
>just alot of soggy ciggarettes at shows. Try it and bring an 
>extra water pistol or two for your friends!
>-bq

Funny. (obligitory smoking disclaimer: I used to smoke. Now I work off
the karma by picking up butts and attempting to pass on what I learned
from the R.J. Reynolds rap). 
another aspect of smoking at shows: where do most of the butts
go when the users are done with them? Unless there is an ashtray at 
a smoker's elbow they are typically off-handedly tossed. Ever notice the
behaviour? Smokers seldom even watch themselves flick away or drop the
nasty, burning, nicotine-and-tobacco-mosaic-virus-infected things.

An example of the worse case I witnessed as I was working the Bob and
Rob show at the Chicago Theatre last year. The Chicago is a Historic
Landmark, as it is a movie palace/theatre build in the 20's. Yes,
ashtrays everywhere, yet I caught several indignitary attendants
dropping their buring fag-ends on the *carpet* for crying out loud.
[to quote Ren, an asthma-hound chihuahua, "feeeeelthy worms; bloated
sacks of fetid prrrotoplasm; stooooopid eeeeeeeediots"]. Burning cigs in
trash cans, cigs rubbed out on the wood work, plaster, in the urinals
and toilettes....

So we can rant about another aspect of smoking: hazardous waste.
Lawn shows with thousands of barefoot dancers having to tread on
burning embers. Cars, vans, trucks on their way to the show, tossing
the butts out the windows... (which, by the way, vigilantees can pick
up while still burning and toss back in the window, saying "uh, you
dropped this"). Oh look, someone is emptying their ash tray in the
parking lot...

--
Chris Rewerts                        Internet: rewerts@ecn.purdue.edu
Agricultural Engineering             UUCP:     rewerts!pur-ee
Purdue University                    BITNET:   rewerts%ecn@purccvm
From: ryanp@lclark.edu (Ryan Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Things to do in Ireland?
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:07:32 GMT
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


Hello all!  Sorry for the lack of Dead content in this post, but of all the 
netters, you folks are the ones I like to talk to and trust the most.  In 
January I am going on an overseas trip to Ireland with my school (Lewis &
Clark College in Portland) and I was wondering if any of you have spent 
time over there and know of some cool activities, sights, x-tra special
pubs or anything of the sort?  We'll be mainly in Dublin and Galway but
will also travel around for a few weeks.  Any suggestions are appreciated!
Thanks in advance,

Ryan

...what a long strange trip it's a gunna be!

peace
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From: wac@world.std.com (william a colbert)
Subject: Boston..My home town.
Summary: Are you kind?
Keywords: Please.
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:22:05 GMT

Hi All,
	OK I know this is probably asking alot but here goes.
	Its official I got denied for series 1 at Boston Garden.
Seeing that I live in Boston I didn't think there was any possible 
way that I would get shut out of mail order.  I mailed first thing in the AM
and every detail of my order was carefully attended to.  In fact I am the 
only person I know that got denied (of course everone ordered 1 ticket while
I ordered two).  
	I missed the shows last year due to bad timing and an even worse job 
shedule.  If there is anyone out there who would possibly consider selling
ANY extra tickets to ANY of the shows PLEASE PLEASE email me.  You would
realy be making this humble New Englander abundantly joyfull.
Thank you in advance.

PEACE!!!    Rob Colbert  at  wac@world.std.com.
From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Grateful Dead Hour #205
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:15:21 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link


Grateful Dead Hour no. 205
Week of August 24, 1992


Part 1  26:47
                  In cue: <music>
     :00     :37  Opening
     :37    3:04  Grateful Dead 8/27/72 Veneta, Oregon
                  PROMISED LAND
    3:41    4:46  DEAL
    8:27    6:33  BLACK-THROATED WIND
   15:00    5:57  BERTHA
   20:57    5:35  JACK STRAW
   26:32     :15  ID
                  Out cue: ...when the Grateful Dead Hour continues.

   26:47    1:03  Music bed for local announcements
   27:50     :04  Pause

Part 2  25:22
                  In cue: And now, here are some scenes from next week's...
   27:54     :40  Introduction
   28:34    3:02  Bob Dylan, Down in the Groove (Columbia OC 40957, 1988)
                  SILVIO
   31:36   15:40  Grateful Dead 8/27/72 Veneta, Oregon
                  PLAYING IN THE BAND
   47:16    5:38  GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD
   52:54     :22  Outro
                  Out cue: and I'll meet you back here next week.

-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf
From: parama@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Vice_Captain_Trips)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Deadicated Comments
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:15:17 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <4812@balrog.ctron.com> mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:
>Branford Marsalis - Weather Report Suite (I know he did Let it Grow on 'Net,
						~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>                      but this would be the whole thing instrumental)

Whoa! No he didnt. Those cheesy horns belong to Jerry's midi.

--P2
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From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Correction to "Life After The Dead" announcement!!!
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:22:04 GMT

In my haste to get this info out, I screwed up!

The correct dates are Saturday August 22 and Sunday August 23.  
                             
Sorry.

Rob
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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION: GARCIA'S HEALTH
Organization: NY home for wayward dats
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:07:38 GMT

In article <116440@muvms3.bitnet> rcbi105@muvms3.bitnet (Matt Leary)
writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.171147.28675@fid.morgan.com>, sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:

>> Of course, if your attitude is "I'll do whatever maximizes my
>> enjoyment and I don't care if I cause someone else problems by doing
>> it" then you have to accept that I have the same attitude and will
>> maximize my enjoyment by getting you thrown out of the show.
>> 
>> Seth
>
>My idea is not to bend the rules nor is it to "maximizes my enjoyment and I
>don't care if I cause someone else problems by doing it."  I can't understand
>how you would want someone thrown out of a show for smoking.  Believe it or
>not, smokers will not smoke or will move away from you if you ask them in a
>kind way.  If you come up to me and say "Put that out or I call the security
>people over here", then I will say fuck you.  It is not what you say but how
>you say it.  Don't get someone kickout for smoking, ask them to move or put it
>out kindly and smokers will be happy to help you,  Trust me, smokers are nice
>people just as long as your nice to them.

Smokers come in the same categories as anybody else: some are nice
people, some are assholes.  I'll start by asking somebody not to
smoke; the nice people will stop, the assholes will tell me to fuck
off and get kicked out of the show.  karma.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com

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From: Brian.Jarvinen@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: Allman Brothers Band info
Reply-To: Brian.Jarvinen@um.cc.umich.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:23:20 GMT

So I'm waitin on a refund check, casting a searchlight around for
something to do this fall when I found this little file I saved a few
weeks ago with the Allman Brothers hotline # in it ....
 
  (312) 227-2177
 
The nice dude who made the recording first tells me that if I send
a postcard to ...
 
  Little Phish Graffix                        (dats how I spell em)
  1345 W. Fletcher
  Chicago, IL
               60657
 
with my name and address on it, they'd send me something nice in return. 
 
Then he read the list of Allman Brothers Band tour dates...
 
 Aug 19 Great Woods in Massachusetts
     21 Stowe, VT
     22 Philadelphia
     23 New Haven 
     25 Darien Lake, NY
     26 Saratoga Performing Arts Center
     28 Middletown, NY
     29 Merriwether Post Pavillion, MD
     30 East Rutherford, NJ
 
 Sep  1 Richmond, VA
      2 Wilmington, NC
      4 Charlotte, NC
      5 Atlanta, GA
      6 Raleigh, NC
 
and that's all they list now, though the nice dude said to expect some
more dates in the South east. If you know anything about those dates in
the first week of September, like if a show is outdoors or not and if any
of them are sold out, please send me some email. And if you know of any
post September 6th dates, fill me in on the details. Their hotline hasn't
been updated since July. How about an A-B Band mailing list? Anyone? Bueller?
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "James F. Tomlin" <jtomlin@helix.nih.gov>
Subject: One way for the "shows" to go on
Reply-To: jtomlin@helix.nih.gov
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:25:21 GMT


I spent this grey morning feeling sad that the Landover shows I've
been looking forward to will not happen.  Then the idea came to me.

Why not turn a negative into a positive?  Since I'd already set aside my
time for those three evenings, why not spend that time lending a hand
somewhere?  There is an awful lot of trash in the nearby county park...
there's alot of sick kids at the Children's Inn at NIH that might enjoy
receiving a teddy (dancing) bear...or watch a puppet show...they're always
asking for people to help out at the homeless kitchens in downtown D.C....
maybe write letters to my representatives in favor of ancient forests...
I'll probably think of more things by Sept. 9th...
I'll put on my concert attire, bring along a portable stereo and one
concert tape for each night, maybe ask the people I was going to the shows
with to join me.  The notion of hundreds or thousands of deadheads
doing volunteer work on Sept 9, 10, 11 is an amazing one.
Afterwards, I think I'll send a letter to the Grateful Dead
office, filling them in on what I did during my "Landover" time. 
If the idea catches on, maybe Jerry will hear about it and it will make
him feel better. 
Anyway, it's one way for the "show" to go on!  And this way, it NEVER
has to end.
Jim Tomlin   jtomlin@helix.nih.gov
 
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From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:00:30 GMT

>>Comments?  Points?  Suggestions?  Elaborations?  Please POST THE RESPONSES
>>to the NET so we can keep a discussion going....  Thanks and later, Curt
>
>Ok, here I go again, steppin' in composte:-)
>
>Question, is this or is this not a recreational
>newsgroup(rec.music.gdead)? So we need this highly technical
>disscusion on how it is the Dead manage to Jam so well.
>
A> Don't read it if you don't like it, these threads are clearly marked
in accordance with Tipper Gore's protect the consumer agenda.
B> It won't cause warts, I promise.
C> None of this discussion has really been very technical, any musician,
schooled or not is aware and conversant with the subjects we've been 
discussing.


>Question, is not Phil the only schooled musician in the group, and
>thus probably the only one who is able to offically grasp these
>great technical discussions.
>
See above: ALL MUSICIANS know about modes. I think that you sell the boys
short if you think that they're ignorant of these things and myriad others.
They were <and probably still are> very into all kinds of music besides what
they play.

>So is it the combined opinion of the group that these discussions
>of brilliant understanding of musical education should continue
>or would it not be best for those concerned to take this discussion
>to email or start their own group tech.music. anaylisis of gdead:-)
 
>
Oh C'mon Man, don't start this "I'm not into what you're saying so
you should take a hike to another group" thing, I just sent my flame
wear out to the dry-cleaners...

>A thought if Phil is the only "educated" musician in The Dead, how
>is it that they have managed to do so well over the years playing
>all this highly technical educated modal type music? Could it come
>naturally or is it a developement caused by a high rate of experience
>and experimentation.
 
 Don't you think they've got alot of "experience and experimentation"
 under their belts? and like I said, it's not "highly technical educated
 etc" , it's the stock and trade that every musician knows whether they
 went to Julliard or not.

>
>
>
>


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From: belli@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack Belli)
Subject: Re: Trivia question
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:13:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.013346.29474@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> ludovicj@pwfl.com writes:
>What song has been sung by three different members of the Dead ?
>(lead singing throughout the whole song and at a Dead show)
>
>Jay     ludovicj@pwfl.com 
   Jet To the Promised Land....Pigpen,Jerry,Weir
From: belli@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack Belli)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: No east coast
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:52:39 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

In article <3452@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.185819.1655@news.Hawaii.Edu> belli@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack Belli) writes:
>>I have to travel 2500 miles to see a California show and I'm glad to do it
>
>	I'm not.  There's a lot to be said for being able to attend a festival
>without having to save up for months and crash with friends 'cause you spent
>all your money on plane fare.  

?????????????How close have the dead gotten to Austin recently Wharfy???/
 Sounds like we're both in the same boat(plane).
                  :):):):):):):):):):):)
                     Peace and Aloha,
                            Jack
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From: "st. stephen" <ST402836@brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Music and Sound
Reply-To: ST402836@brownvm.brown.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:09:06 GMT


|Anyone following this thread should make it a point to check out:
|The_Science_of_Musical_Sound   (I think that's it)
|published by Scientific American.  I includes some really cool floppy records
|that demonstrate many of the principles and there are some aural illusions
|also.
|                                  Fletch
    I read an article in a recent Scientific American about musical
illusions.  There was this one gimick that is the equivelent of the
visual illusion ala Escher (sp?) - you know the paintings of stairways that
appear to go up and up for ever.  What they did was create these tones
with frequency generators, and they'd take say 5 different tones and play
them over and over in sequence.  A listener hearing this would perceive
the sounds getting higher and higher in pitch -- in other words this
set of 5 tones when played over and over would appear to be a series of
ever increasing pitched notes, just like the staircase that goes up and up.
   Their explanation was that the tones they created didn't have the complete
frequency makeup that an ordinary musical note would, and so a human's
ear/brain couldn't make a definate determination of the absolute pitch of
the tone.  Instead the pitch was infered from the tone played before it.
So, in other words, the pitch of the tone was determined by it's relation
to the tone played before.  By suitable choice of the tones used in teh
set of 5 it could be made so that each tone when refered to the one
before it sounded at a higher pitch.  A pretty cool concept!  There was
other neat stuff in the article as well.

ODC:  It'd be neat to hear this at a dead show :^)

-steve
From: bhatnaga@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: U2 front row seats Aug 20th Foxboro St,Boston.
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:56:47 GMT


Hi all of you U2 fans out there,

I have great news for you.I have four front row seats(10 feet from the

stage) for the U2 concert at Foxboro Stadium,Boston on Aug 20th.

Interested parties please contact me at 413-549-7912.I can Federal

Express the tickets to you as soon as possible.This is your only chance

to get tickets for this sold out show.

Maneesh Bhatnagar,

UMASS,Amherst.
From: maxwell@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mark Story)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Re:A net.get.well card for Jerry?
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:19:41 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <115842@muvms3.bitnet> rcbi105@muvms3.bitnet (Matt Leary) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.152216.14244@nntp.uoregon.edu>, nsax.uoregon (Norma Sax) writes:
>> Count me in.
>> 
>> norma sax
>
>Me too.
>
>Matt Leary

And me...

Mark Story
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Subject: Re: cancel fall tour?
From: jlovkay@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:14:41 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <1992Aug13.005231.18731@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>, tomw@astro.umd.edu writes:

> so i think the dead should go on with the fall tour...they're 
> professionals.  maybe
> they could persuade henry kaiser to fill in for jerr...
> 
> so whadda ya think?

I think that all those shows in a row would be difficult without Jerry tunes.
I doubt Bob would add much to his bag of tricks, and maybe Phil could sing Box
& Tom Thumbs every night, but then what ?

_Maybe_ someone else could play guitar in place of Jerry, and it might even
sound ok being so different and all, but could another really take his vocals ? 

I'd rather wait 'til Jerry's ready :) Hell, after seeing Papa John last year
I'm convinced we could be seeing The Dead for years to come ! Whats one fall
tour ? 

Jim
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Todd Mentions Pedal Steel
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 18:05:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.161650.4751@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:
>If you want pedal steel, a good place to look is on the New Riders
>Of The Purple Sage live album, VINTAGE NRPS (Relix records).  The live
>material is derived from the NRPS opening set for one of the Dead shows at
>Portchester 1971 (the exact date, as I recall, wasn't on the CD).
>At that time, Jerry was sitting in with the band on pedal steel.
>

Also give a listen to the first NRPS album, and Jefferson Starship
Baron Von Tollbooth and the Chrome Nun, ie. "Your Mind Has Left Your
Body" :-) :-) :-), and "Deal" on Jerry's first solo album:-) :-)

>As for Jerry playing pedal steel with the Dead, I believe that hasn't
>occurred for an entire show, and probably not in the acoustic 1970
>sets in general (I could be wrong, but I don't recall any:-})
>

It seems that most of his great pedal steel work was done in the
studio.

I always revered Sneeky Pete from The Flying Burrito Bros. and Dylans
"Nashville Skyline" but Jerry inflects his sparkle, and cosmic
ability in his ventures on the pedal steel.

The guy who plays for Cowboy Junkies, does a good job of getting
close to what Jerry gave the instrument.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>dtodd@well.sf.ca.us            / | \                               <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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