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From: ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Aero
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:17:51 GMT
	<1992Sep10.182009.24196@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Howdy,

jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
> OK. Haven't raced. Wanna Race.
> You can take CLASS in an Aerostich suit. Catalog say's no substitute
> for racing leathers. What's the deal?
> No knee puck on Aerostich. How can they let you on a track w/o?

Ok, first off, knee pucks are optional.  Chances are that if you've
never been on the track before, you won't be dragging your knee
anyway.  If you find yourself touching it down, just rotate your knee
in closer to the bike.

W/regard to Aerostich on the track, I think it was motorcyclist a
while back that said that Aerostich was ok for the street as most
crashes are at (relatively) low speed.  Apparently much over 60 or 70
mph, the suit doesn't hold up that well.

I would say that you could take Class in an Aerostich and have no
problems (low probability of crashing, I'd guess).  However, if you're
gonna spend much time on the track, definately buy some racing
leathers.

If you've got the money, buy some race leathers anyway, with full
armor and stuff, and then impress the babes on the street when you go
out to ride at, uh, "socially irresponsible" speeds.

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
From: jerry@stratford.dab.ge.com (Jerry Szulinski)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: the Yamaha V-Max
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:08:09 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Organization: GE Simulation & Control Systems. Daytona Beach, FL

In article <5627@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rlwst8+@pitt.edu (Robert L Williamson) writes:
>I don't know that much about motorcycles except for a few models.  One of
>my friends keeps jabbering about a cycle called the Yamaha V-Max.  He never
>gave me many details of the cycle but someone has got to tell me what is so
>special about this bike.  (Does it beat airplanes :-)  
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>				Rob

-In first gear. Now move it to wreck.moto.period. :-)

Jerry S.

P.S. I'm sure you'll get plenty of info on it as the V-Max just might be the 
     official pet bike of DOD ..... in a sort of pit bull way :-). Not much of
     a race bike though - some, but not much.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Kyalami practice (or, maybe the odds aren't 50: 1 against)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Go Mick!  Go Wayne! (No, _Gardner_, stupid : -)
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:53:00 GMT

	Just managed to catch the final practice times for the 500s in SA.  The
Austrian channel is the only one with any of today's times so far.

	John Kocinski		1'39.45"
	Wayne Gardner		   +.52"
	Mick Doohan		   +.64"
	Wayne Rainey		   +.68"

	The German channels are reporting that Dirk Raudies was 2nd behind
Noburu Ueda, but no times given.  I think Waldmann was tenth.

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484
"noematical -- a. Obs. rare;  Originating, or existing, in thought, or in the
 mind alone."	-- Compact Oxford Dictionary
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: david_t@aci_1.aci.ns.ca (DAVID TAYLOR)
Subject: How did Duhamel do?
Organization: Atlantic Computer Institute
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:32:24 GMT

Does anybody have Duhamel's results in each of the 500 GP's
(DNF or placing) this year ? As rookies go, how would you
rate his performance? Any rumors/facts on how he stands for
next year ?
	
	
			 Thanks for any information,

				Dave Taylor
				Atlantic Computer Institute
				Halifax, Nova Scotia
				david_t@aci_1.aci.ns.ca
From: tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: wsb at assen
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:39:38 GMT

I called a friend in Italy monday and he told me:

1st leg:
	Polen wins
	falappa 10th

2nd leg
	polen dnf

points, polen still over roche.

sorry thats all I can remember (oh yea, falappa wins leg 2)


t
From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: MY Winner for DoD Ballard (wuz Winner of the Official...)
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:53:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep9.170551.7149@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>In <1992Sep8.132034.17070@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
>
>>I find "I'm a little teapot" is great fun when carrying a pillion.  Sing it 
>>good and loud the first time round so they know what you're singing then sing 
>>it again and do the actions.  Hint, make sure your "spout" is on the side 
>>nearest the centre of the road or the camber will take you into the curb in no
>>time.
>
>  Your a sick, twisted man. You make me proud to ride a bike.
>                                          Jorg 

Yes, but where's the lyrics post?  This must be one of those songs from
which I was depraved as a child.  %-)

-- 
|The opinions expressed above are merely the result of chaotic synapse firings|
|After being brutally pummeled about the head by a big mean          -   O    |
|biker, I can no longer be responsible for my rantings.                |      |
|captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  (Brian Murfin)  DoD# 0690  nt650gt     \_^___/   |
From: leung@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Bruce Leung)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Watch out
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:05:57 GMT
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R&D, U. of Ill.

bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith) writes:
>>It was in the news recently that a city in Connecticut had replaced a 
>>number of traffic lights with 4-way stop signs.  Their reasoning was
>>that more people will make some semblance of a stop at a stop sign, but
>>will more or less ignore red lights.
>
>That's one of the strangest things I've ever heard.

You read rec.moto and this is one of the strangest things you've heard!? :-)

At an intersection that is not frequented by a given driver, I would have
to agree that the driver would be more likely to blow a stop sign than a
light.  However, if the intersection is on a commute, the driver is
going to be used to stopping every time and probably less likely to run
the stop than the light.

One data point:  We have an intersection in town (1st and Windsor for
you locals) that is on a prime commute path.  It started life as a 4-way
stop but was later changed to a light.  Since the light went up in the
Spring there have been 10 accidents vs. 2 for roughly the same period
when it was a stop sign.  And most of the accidents have happened
during morning rush hour (if you can call it that here).  There is now
talk about going back to a 4-way stop.

> but it's pretty rare for a cage to run a red light when it's
>been red for a few seconds.

But is does happen.  One accident we had involved a car blowing the light
and hitting the 2nd car in the cross traffic.  The first car was a
County cop.

OB two wheel reference:  An accident involving a car and truck also took
out a bicyclist.  When our guys were checking him out he kept repeating,
"I'm OK, I'm OK.  I'm a professional diver."  We still haven't figured
out what he meant by that.

	Bruce
From: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: X-reg in the UK?
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:00:53 GMT
Reply-To: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <1992Sep8.161058.1194@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:

>Since car plates here have three letters, a demented friend of mine
>likes to see how many assembly language opcodes he can spot: BNE, RTS,
>etc. :-)

Car plates here in CO have a variety of lengths and combinations of
letters and numbers.  Some are 3 letters and 3 numbers.  Once, when
I was on my motorcycle :-), I saw a regular old non-vanity plate 
with "SPY-005".  I figured the person a couple of slots back in line
got an interesting plate.
--

P.M. Smith
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:48:04 GMT

In article <1564@adpplz.UUCP> martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding) writes:
> (reference already deleted - JL)
>> A natural experiment here is ski-bikes which steer by means of a front
>> ski. No rotating wheel, and cornering behaviour just like a bicycle.
>
>But are they stable (they remain upright when moving at speed with
>no rider)? 

yes, as long as the edges are sharp such that it does not slide sideways

> And are you claiming that they countersteer?

yes

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: real chamois anyone ? (was Re: GPNDG:  Random thoughts)
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:10:56 GMT
Reply-To: pms@druhi.ATT.COM (Paul M. Smith)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <2377@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> joe@mpd.tandem.com writes:
>
>now there's a question that begs to be asked, what's a top notch
>brand of chamois that will work well and last? I usually spend $10
>on a cheapie and neglect it until it starts to leave little chamois
>specks as I move it along the painted surface. what's the best way
>to keep your chamois in tip top shape? what do you do about the
>inevitable splotches of spooge that get on it (cause you missed that
>spot with the soap & water)?

When I had my first (and last) black car, I checked with some detail
shops to find out how to take care of it.  None of them use chamois,
and they recommended against it, particularly with black paint.
According to them, a chamois picks up grit and drags it across the
surface.  Their recommendation was to use a cloth with no synthetic
material or thread (which is abrasive).  I use some all-cotton towels
exclusively for drying my vehicles.  They can be washed thoroughly
after each use to ensure that any grit or spooge is gone.  This works
pretty well.

And, while we're on the subject, these detailers put me onto using a
foaming gun to apply the soap.  This is just a bottle into which you
put a soap solution, with an attachment at the top that mixes the
solution with a water stream, and creates a nice, sudsy foam.  It has
a quick-disconnect spray nozzle, so it's easy to alternate between
soaping and rinsing.  This is not a high-pressure sprayer.  It works
great for bikes because you can get soap everywhere easily, but it
doesn't force it under pressure into forbidden spots, such as wheel
bearings.  Mine is made by Gilmour, and is a professional-quality
tool -- brass fittings, etc.  Cost was ~$40US.

And, to coin an old phrase, YMMV.
--

P.M. Smith
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: moped vs moto
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:36:19 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Sep10.162508.19234@varian.com>, bob@csbvax.uucp (Bob Palin) writes:
> In article <BuBorI.En7@cup.hp.com> Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> writes:
>>this is partially false.  my Puch Moped would go just as far as
> My Puch even had a dual seat and I took people for rides on it.  It was

puch mopeds?

what a bunch of losers!

MY moped was a motobecane.

is it time to start rec.motorcycles.moped-flame-wars?

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
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From: dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad)
Subject: Re: HERE I AM! LOOK AT ME! I'M MAKING A BIG NOISE! I'M SPECIAL!
Followup-To: HERE I AM!.....
Summary: Bull**** to the silencer whiners
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:00:29 GMT

I've been riding Ducati and Moto Guzzi twins with various pipes that
all have provided that throaty twin noise for 12 years now.  I will
continue to do so until I'm done riding which will be when I'm 80 or
so (I'm half way there now).
You people that ride bikes that are not so quiet get up an yell at
at these whiners! Bikes are for experiencing the world! They are for
the sensual pleasure of experiencing the world and personal
independence! Not for being unobtrusive. If its anonymity you want,
get a car.
I enjoy a the sound of a lumpy cammed, Conti piped Duck. I also like
a Guzzi with its distinctive sound, and (gasp!) Harley's sound real
nice with real pipes on them. Laverda's are nice too. Wind noise has
a lot more to do with hearing loss than pipes do as pointed out
earlier.

As I said earlier, DON'T TAKE THIS CRAP!! BIKES WERE MEANT TO BE
HEARD AS WELL AS SEEN!!!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+Dick Winningstad                                                    +
+                            Two Wheels                              +
+                          Two Cylinders                             +
+                             Two Fast                               +
+dickwin@sequent.com                                                 +
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ron@fnalf.fnal.gov (Ron Rechenmacher, x2726)
Subject: Honda XR250L Flooding/Stalling Problem
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4  
Reply-To: ron@fnalf.fnal.gov
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
Distribution:  world
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:39:26 GMT

Has anyone noticed a stalling problem with XR250Ls?  Ask your friends.
Specifically, the problem shows up if you accelerate up into fourth or 
fifth gear then close the throttle and coast.  The engine becomes 
flooded and stalls.

Thanks
ron@fnal.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: equal opportunity cheesecake
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:51:28 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>>In article <18mdcjINN2ma@cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>
>>>Do hets *really* find the heels-bikini combo sexy?  Even when holding
>>>a pipe wrench?
>
>>No, I sure don't.  I rather think it quite stupid.  I also think the Corbin
>>catalog (yes, I got a '92 catalog) has some remarkably stupid photos in
>>it based on infantile display of skin.
>
>Worse yet, they used ugly models.

Actually, they used women who work there. Corbin employees. ("Other duties
as assigned")
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
From: parker@gdls.UUCP (The Dougster)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Road Sign
Keywords: oil roads sign asphalt
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:40:55 GMT
Organization: General Dynamics Land Systems, Sterling Heights, MI

Beware of roadworkers filling potholes with hot blacktop. I rode
through an area and although I missed all the piles of black stuff
(they pile it up and let the cages smoosh it flat) my tires picked
up some of the stray bits of tarred gravel and deposited them on
my crossover. Ugh!

Douglas
--
Reply-To: gdls!parker@ilium.troy.msen.com
DoD #1961    BMWMOA    Renting N56136
--
A dress is nothing but pants with one pantleg.
From: ranck@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Road Sign
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:08:39 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I would have to say that my least favorite sign is one that says 
"Next Gas n Miles"  where 'n' is anything over 75.  I just don't
have the range. sigh.

--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck     DoD #496  ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu                            *
*******************************************************************************
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What does STOP mean? (was Re: stupid people)
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:17:56 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Brice Dowaliby (bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU) wrote:
: 
: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com) writes:
: 
: >In article <1992Sep9.095529.2010@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
: >>"B. Pasker: I've always wondered what 'STOP' stood for. Could anyone tell me ?
: >> C. Paull : Spin Tires On Pavement."
: >
: >Slightly Tap On Pedal
: 
: I first noticed these signs in the mid-70s, mostly in urban areas.  I was
: told that it was a result of the oil embargo, and it stood for meant 
: "Single Tank of Petrol" meaning you couldn't fill up more than one tank 
: at a time.
: 
: For some of us with older bikes, this meant that we couldn't fill up our 
: reserve tank at the same time as our main tank.  It was a real pain in the 
: ass to have to fill up your reserve tank, ride down to the next STOP sign, 
: and then get into another half-hour line to fill up the main tank.
: 
: And if you let the engine idle when in line, you would deplete your reserve 
: tank while waiting to fill up the main tank, so all you could do was fill 
: up the reserve tank again, hop to the next station, and hope the line 
: was shorter.
: 
: I spent two days hopping from line to line before some other rider (on a 
: Harley, no less!) tipped me off that I could sit in line without the 
: engine running and _push_ the bike up to the pumps and so fill up my 
: main tank.
: -- 
:    Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
:                          bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
:              I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
:                               DoD # 0698


You lucky lucky bastard!  You mean to tell me you had a user accessable
reserve tank!  I have to drive 48 miles to my nearest BM dealer to get my
reserve tank filled up, and then I have to put up with all the smirks from the
staff for letting my reserve tank get emptied.  I lost my warranty that way,
not to mention the L34 charge for the fill-up.  Still, last time they threw
in a rear-end service for free and I finally got my drive-chain tightened.

Does anybody know if it's okay to use synthetic oil on a BM drive-chain.  Some
people told me that it causes the clutch dogs to wobble because of the shorter
molecules used in the polymer layer and this causes the velocity of the anti-
countersteer flywheel to change, but I think they might have been extracting 
the michael a taj.


Nick (the rescinding Biker)    MAG 73516  DoD 1069

M'Lud.

PS they only make beer in Britain.  Anywhere else it's called 
   catpiss^H^H^H^H^H^H^HLAGER.  Just thought you might like to know...
From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Swarm 'o' bees vs. proper riding attire
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:47:05 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System


   Well it was an interesting afternoon at best, riding in for some
gratuitous catch up work, since I have a (published) paper due friday
for my boss to take to Tokyo <frown, I never go anywhere anymore>.
   I had decided sometime this summer to take the visor off my full-face
helmet in favor of sunglasses, better hearing and some wind in my face.
I was riding in short-sleeves, pretending that summer had finally come to
Maine and that I could do this in the week or so before the leaves
change, the tourists leave and the snow falls.  Wrong!
   I come to this intersection, stopped behind a cage and notice a lot
of <I assumed> houseflies buzzing aroun this car.  Then they took some
interest in my general person.  Thats when I recognized them as Kamikaze
poison sacks from hell!  The amazing Killer Bees (OK, they were European
honey bees, but they weren't sharing any honey today)!
   Apparently, some well-meaning homeowner had rid himself of an undesired
bees nest, leaving a few hundred, disoriented homeless bees mad as hell
and randomly buzzing anything with a hum.
   Well, somehow I got out of there unstung, but if you see me from now
on, I'll be the crazy motherfucker wearing 50 layers of leather in August
despite the temperature!

   Happy Riding & Don't get stung:

  Jeff Andle   1976 KZ900  Me 3005X  DoD# 3005
  Self-appointed KotGDL (Keeper of the Greatful Dead Lyrics)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy!!!
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:26:24 GMT

dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) writes:
> In article <10573@wrgate.wr.tek.com>, davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:

> > Snap-on just introduced an official Harley-licensed mechanic's
> > roll-around tool box.  Price - $3500, not including any tools.

>$3400 of which goes to HD to pay for licensing fees for the logo and
>name :)

Never priced Snap-on tools, have you? :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DoD - How about a DoD Key Fob made by Zippo?????
Date: 8 Sep 1992 15:29:39 GMT
Reply-To: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: mparsons@fleming.csc.bcm.tmc.edu


Question . . . .

Would these be the hard plastic type? Or the soft, flexible type?

I've currently got a soft, flexible motorcycle as my key fob . . 
the only other thing on the ring . . . therefore there's nothing
to bang against the tank, or valve covers . . I would think that a
hard plastic fob could knick paint jobs? (IMHO) 

Mark
From: jamesf@public.BTR.COM (James G. Franklin  jamesf@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: equal opportunity cheesecake
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:12:01 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

In article <18mdcjINN2ma@cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>As I rant on, just what IS the deal with bikini-clad women in high heels?
>They seem to infest motorcycle posters, motorcycle magazines, car
>magazines, and calendars featuring airplanes to drilling equipment.
>Do hets *really* find the heels-bikini combo sexy?  

Not any more than heel-less. I pretty much despise and won't buy from
places that use sex to sell things that have nothing to do with sex. But I
won't go into that. Suffice it to say that - ahh, nevermind. I don't have the
time. 

>Even when holding a pipe wrench?

Oh, that's a different story. Twist me, baby. :-)

jim

-- 
*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@btr.com OR {decwrl,mips,fernwood}!btr!jamesf      *
*   (insert new bike here)   | Nothing hurts like the loss one feels when   *
* Triumph 650 (slalom champ) | they lose their first love, get fired from   * 
* DoD #469          KotP(un) | their first job, or sell their first bike.   * 
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