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From: lev@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian S. Lev)
Subject: Re: Vampyres/Origins too
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:06:00 GMT

In article <D86-EMH.92Sep5005314@dront.nada.kth.se> d86-emh@dront.nada.kth.se (E Magnus Hulthen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.200742.4155@coe.montana.edu> drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III) writes:
>
>   Actually, one of the strongest possible vampire-origin theories has to do with
>   a physiological condition brought on by a porphyrin absence, or lack, in the
>   system.  I suggest looking this up in a medical text, primarily because I
>   don't want to get anything wrong.  But, briefly, some of the symptoms
>   demonstrated are:
>
>	   gums pulling away from the teeth,
>	   extreme skin sensitivity to light, particularly sunlight, in which it
>		   is not unknown to cause serious skin burn and damage,
>	   eye sensitivity to light, blindness not unknown,
>	   an inability to properly metabolize the proteins gained from red
>		   meat, leading to an abnormal hunger for same.
>
>
>Dont the symptoms include abnormal facial hair growth? Which thus may be
>a (possible) cause for the stories and legends of lycanthropy (Werevolves
>etc).
>					/Magnus Hulthen
>					d86-emh@nada.kth.se

I've also seen a number of books in which lycanthropy (werewolves) is
attributed to this condition (I think it's called Porphyria).  One or
two photos (ca. 1950s) were positively scary!
		
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: brianm@sco.com (Brian Moffet)
Subject: Re: Some info on upcoming vampire films
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:15:37 GMT

std_fleming@hg.uleth.ca (John Fleming) writes:
>  I can suggest something even closer.  Any roleplayers on this newsgroup?  I
>am sure that you are all familiar with at least the concept of role-playing
>games (Dungeons & Dragons, for instance).  Well, one of the hottest new


ROLE PLAYING HAT POWERS ACTIVATE!

Well, you can also find a Game-Master to run a game where the players are
vampires, and have to deal with the "other" world.  Fortunately,
or unfortunately, you should be prepared to deal with their concept of
vampires, powers and abilities, advantages and disadvantages.

It can be challenging running such a game.  I have found that there are
certain areas where I need to improve my "world" if you want to call it that,
possibly harden it up, make it a bit more brutal.   The thing about
role-playing with this type of scenario, you have to be prepared for anything.

ROLE PLAYING HAT POWERS DEACTIVATE!

As far as vampires, I am surprised that some one earlier mentioned that
the drinking of the vampires blood was more a marriage ritual rather than
a method of transfering "vampireness" to the victim.  I had never thought 
of that.  I had always assumed it was a method to transfer the curse,
virus, new strain of cells, whatever.   This is specifically mentioned in
"The Hunger", by Whitley Striber, and if I remember correctly occurs in 
some similar fashion in Anne Rice's books, (example of Lestat drinking
the Queens blood to get more power, or closer to the original blood line?)

I am ignoring the legends, just the novels right now.  My mind is not
great at retrieving information I have just read, of course the book
was written by someone with a desire to show christianity is the
one true way...  I can look up the name of the book later, it was written
around 1930 or so, judging by the references.


I'll have to think about that.

brian moffet
--
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From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Fiction vampire list, version 1.0
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:34:00 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

>       [Oops - accidentally deleted Alfvaen's attribution line...He says]
>
>For corrections and additions, either post here, where I should see it, or
>mail me at aaron@space.ualberta.ca.  Thank you for your attention, and I hope I
>can help make alt.vampyres a more organized environment for you.  (Do we have
>an FAQ yet?)
>
>
>--
>---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
>"What have I done to piss the gods off?"  ---Terence Trent D'Arby
>Current Album--Pink Floyd:A Nice Pair
>Current Read--John Updike:Rabbit, Run

There are a lot more books that could be added, but I'll mention one that
should be on anybody's list for historical reasons, at least:  _Varney the
Vampyre or, The Feast of Blood_ by either Thomas Peckett Prest or James
Malcolm Rymer.  This was first published in Volume form in 1847, though
it appeared earlier as one of the penny dreadfuls.  Dover reissued it in
two volumes in 1972.  It is hard to find, and even harder to read, though
it does have its moments (If anyone out there has read it, I'm thinking
particularly of the opening scene where the vampire is scratching at the
window, and also of the ceremony in the cemetary in which a number of
vampires come together to call forth a new initiate).  In literary
history, this book can be regarded as a progenitor of _Dracula_.  _Varney_
begat LeFanu's _Carmilla_ which begat _Dracula_.  (The line of descent
wasn't quite that direct, of course! ;-)   

You might be a bit surprised at the tradition that _Varney_ adopts:  Sir
Francis Varney is killed a number of times, but may be revived by being
exposed to the rays of the moon.  (Hmmmm.  Another connection between
lycanthropy and vampirism:  As someone else pointed out earlier, dead
werewolves are often expected to become vampires.)  I recall the same
device being used in Polidori's _The Vampyre_ (published in 1819:  There
was a thread on Polidori in alt.horror shortly before this group formed).
Interesting that we seem to have completely lost this notion in more
modern fictions.

Cheers -
		Claude
From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: PENTOGRAMS GOOD OR BAD?
Keywords: good or evil?
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:08:37 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

In <1992Sep08.063011.13188@bnr.ca> bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:

>refering to another older religion : )
>BTW  How does a Druid get "reformed"? (I'm serious)

Well, for one thing, we don't do human or animal sacrifice.  We
also don't require our members to sever ties with other religions.
Although most of our members are either pagan or atheist, it is
quite acceptable to be part of any religion that the person
involved wants to.

>PS Thanks for the info on Baphomet!  

Only too glad to help. :-)

>Brian /-|-\
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From: dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: vampyres undernourished?
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:40:41 PST
Organization: BBS

wonder where they get vitamin C from?  maybe they're so generally nasty because
they're simply wracked with scurvy.

and if vampyres feed off of the 'life essence' of their victims, their blood
shall turn to cheese.

i mean, they _do_ seem kinda pale.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: christ@crash.cts.com (Chris Trichel)
Subject: More comments bout Vamps
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:07:42 GMT

Well this newsgroup seems to be building up nicely!!

Regarding where I got my stereotypes for vampires:  generally a
alot of fiction and a bit of movies... Typically the actual 
originial legends of vampires (undead roaming around rotting and
terrorizing villagers and their cattle) were never 'romantic'
enough for me...

The Anne Rice books are a great source of information on
the modern theories about vampirism and vampire society
I don't know where she did her research (is it in the books?)
but you can tell she did a decent job where history is concerned.

Another FANTASTIC vampire series of books are the St. Germaine
chronicles by Chelsea Ybarro :  Hotel Transylvania, Blood Games,
The Palace, The Saint-Germain Chronicles, Tempting Fate, Path
of The Eclipse.  All of these are steeped in historical fact as well as the
fiction (or not) of Saint Germain the Vampire.  Ybarro has done
a lot of research on the times she sets her "demonic lover" in and does
a fantastic job of blending reality and fiction.

Other great books are: Those who hunt the Night by Barbara Hambley,
Vampires ed. by Alan Ryan, The Ultimate Dracula ed. by Byron Preiss, 
I Am Legend by Richard Matheson, Carrion (author unknown, it's about mental
vampires). There are more but the above are some of the highlights...

Something I was thinking about though... and I do beleive someone mentioned it
in a earlier post... Could Jack the Ripper have been a vampire? Not necessarily
for the blood, but for the essence/emotion created by his victims... Those of
you who have read or will read Chelsea Quinn Ybarro's books will know what I
mean... (breifly, it's not the blood needed, but the lifeforce/essence/emotion
that is 'bled' off)

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Subject: To Die For...
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 07:15:19 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-20451]: sparta

Anyone out there see this movie? I thought it was good, although
not a typical story at all.
Anyway, I just wanted to share that with ya'...

Misti
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: mfunk@reed.edu (Michele Funk)
Subject: Vampire mythology and reality
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:21:49 GMT

I've spent considerable time thinking about "psychic vampires".  I imagine
to be the sort that symbolically sucks the blood (life) out of his/her
victims.  What is most interesting to me is that the mythological vampire
(tall, dark, powerful, alluring) is so different from what the original
vampires were conceived as (short, bloated, ugly, rank).  My hypothesis is
that we have seen in our time the evolution of a myth.  The concept of the
vampire, i.e. one who sucks blood, has been adapted to fit our image of one
who "feeds" on the life of others.

If this is sounding weird, it's because I tend to thin is very
metaphorical/symboic terms.  By life I do not mean the actually phycial
life, but the spiritual essense of a person.  My background is in pschology
(with tendancies toward Jungian) and I've had several personal experiences
with psychic vampires.  I'd be most interested in hearing, either on this
newsgroup or in replies directly to myself, what others think of this notion
that mythical vampires have evolved to suit what we know of people who feed
off of others.

Michele Funk
mfunk@reed.edu
From: cs65+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chiara Noelle Sposato)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Forever Knight
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:24:29 GMT
	<manz.715776421@ee.ualberta.ca>
Organization: Junior, Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Forever Knight--it is a great show but when are they going to make any
more episodes??!! the show is so intriging with the flashbacks and ties
into history and legend--similar to Anne Rice's way of creating
"history" as well as tying into real history in her novels.

chiara
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Date: Sat,  5 Sep 1992 02:58:58 -0400 
From: "William R. Frank" <wf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Vamp Movies

here are a couple contemporary ones with my humble opinions

vamp--chris makepeace, grace jones, dedee pfieffer==good
pale blood--??==watchable
near dark--jenny wright, adrian pasdar, bill paxton, etc==must see--my fav
lost boys--kfieffer, gertz, coreys==must see
red blooded american girl--heather thomas==tsk tsk no comment
fright night--roddy mcdowell, girl from married with children--must see
fright night ii--acceptable sequel
buffy vamp slayer--kristi swanson, luke perry, paul ruebans==watchable maybe
once bitten--funny but little else
i was a teenage vampire--tsk tsk
monster squad--little kids fight drac and co--pretty funny, kid oriented
i'm dangerous tonight--madchen amick(the movie's only saying grace)
stephen king's sleepwalkers--psuedo vamps..madchen again..wierd
stephen king's salem lot and return to salem lot


pretty sad list...can't think of any recent scary ones...
later
bill
From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Being made...
Date: 9 Sep 92 22:10:20 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

In article <1992Sep9.131036.17282@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kmoore@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kyle E Moore) writes:
>     Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Stoker's book, wasn't Dracula "made" into 
>a vampire simply by being terribly evil in his mortal existence?  No mention 
>seems to be made as to how he was transformed into one of the undead.
>
>     Kyle
>
Being evil is good enough, actually.  Similarly, being excommunicated will
supposedly do it.  The assumption that suicides will become vampires (they
used to be buried at crossroads in part because of a belief that vampires
would possibly be confused about which road to take) may be related to the
idea of suicide as an evil.  And of course its related to theology:  Several
different churches routinely excommunicated one another!  (Whether they had
the power/authority to do so is another matter.)  Legends about evil will
of necessity be tied into prevailing religious beliefs, and in fact may be
used to some extent as a means of political control (as in demonizing people
who don't toe the line).  Ronay's book goes into this a bit, if memory
serves me correctly.

On a related note, recall that Mina's being forced to drink the count's
blood is a device to 'marry' her and subject her will to his;  it is _not_
the normal technique by which a vampire is 'made.'

Cheers -
		Claude
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: The idea behind alt.vampyres
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:59:15 GMT

In article <20272@plains.NoDak.edu> bohlman@plains.NoDak.edu (Daemon) writes:
>
>Most pleased am I that you sponsored this newsgroup.
>
>Gives me a place where I can talk seriously about the vamphyri (latin) and
>their related friends without being asked where I escaped from..
>(Renfield?  Is that you? Renfield?  Renfield!!!  Stop that!)
>
>Just out of curiousity, (I want to hear some other ideas about this...)
>What is the best way to destroy a vampire and be _sure_ that it won't come
>back?
>-- 

How about:
	stake in heart, head chopped off, mouth filled with garlic, all parts
	exposed to bright sunlight for hours, ashes collected and soaked with
	holy water, put into 7 different jars with a holy symbol (i.e., cross)
	in each jar, buried deeply under running water that flows through
	consecrated and holy ground, and a continuous stand of well-armed
	guards throughout the rest of time.

;-)

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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns)
Subject: Re: innocent blood
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:20:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.031337.14451@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.195610.27408@ctr.columbia.edu> lilorenzin@apollo.davidson.edu writes:
>
>Well, carnivorus mammals and raptors generally have binocular vision for depth
>perception, but gorillas do too, and they are herbivores.
	Well, that seems like an evolutionary throw-back, since they are
	descended from the same genetic tree as us humans.

>be hard pressed to find a truer preditor than a 
>great white shark.
	Hmmmmm, how about humans ?


Seamus

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: gairns@ccrs.emr.ca (Jamie Gairns)
Subject: Vulnerability
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:39:18 GMT


   I tend to subscribe to Nancy Collins' view of Vampire vulnerability.
Immunity to a GREAT deal of physical damage, excluding silver.  Silver
is the great equalizer.  Enough body damage would destroy a Vampire if
the spinal column was damaged.  The nerve trunk is a dangerous liability
for Vampires, IMHO.

   What about odd chemicals floating around the bloodstream.  A Vampire
would have to be cautious about junkies or steroid-using bodybuilders.
What is the preferred blood type of a Vampire ?  Can they smell the 
various RH groups ? Vegetarian vs. Omnivore blood ?  Temperature of
the blood ... does it affect the enjoyment of the sweet liquid ?

   By the way, A younger Jeremy Irons would make a GREAT Louis.  I like
Daniel Lewis too.  No brat-pack type actors though ... I agree.
Claudia, I find, is a fairly incidental element, so she could be written
out ... IMO.  Sean Connery or Rutger Hauer as Marius ? 

   Julian Sands *IS* Lestat, isn't he ?  I thought it was an alias. ;-|=


   Seamus
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: spittman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steve Pittman)
Subject: Re: Some info on upcoming vampire films
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:13:07 GMT


 I just recently started a game with a few friends of mine (I'm not
running it) of Cyberpunk, in which all of our party are vampyres of
different age-levels (me being the 2nd oldest).  I like it because I'm not
subjected to whatever the GM wants to lay out as advantages and
disadvantages...there's a book that you can get that describes
EVERYTHING...it's really great, and I suggest trying it...

     Steve...

P.S.  One of the disadvantages - no cybernetics past age-level 1
(adolescent...forgot what the year-levels were)...  But my character
(age-level 2) already has both a body and a reflex of 12...(I'm the
fastest and strongest of the party)...

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: GAYNOR@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Jim Gaynor)
Subject: Drinking a Vampire's Blood (was: Re: _Rockula_...)
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:07:38 GMT
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In <1992Sep7.181441.1@opie.bgsu.edu> jdraper@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
> 
> This may be getting a little long, but I have just one more request: Does 
> anyone know any methods of becoming a vampire *without* being bitten by one?
> I'm writing a story that turns on this point. I seem to remember reading 
> somewhere that suicide under certain conditions can do it, but I need more
> details.

The actual methods of a mortal becoming a vampire vary wildly
depending on the "mythos" that is referenced.

In the most popular modern vampire mythos, that of Anne Rice's
Vampire Chronicles, a mortal becomes a vampire by being drained
of blood almost to the point of death, and then drinking the
blood of a vampire.  However, the blood itself seems to be the
key.  Magnus, the "father" of Lestat, made himself into a vampire
by chaining a slumbering vampire and then drinking the blood he
drained from the captive vampire.  No note is made of Magnus
first draining himself. (pgs 88-89 of The Vampire Lestat)

The more "classic" vampire legends have it that the bite is the
crucial point, ranging from a single bite with "intent" to create
a new vampire, to death by bite (and subsequent rise from the
grave), to three-bites-and-you're-a-vampire.  (Three strikes
and you're out?)

In most of the older legends that make reference to the drinking
of a vampire's blood by a mortal, it is used to bond the mortal
to the vampire's service rather than to create a new vampire.

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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: Anne Rice
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 07:58:47 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Some short notes on Anne Rice's Vampire series-
1) The first book, Interview, was written in under 5 weeks (somewhere around
that time). It was orginally written for a writing contest. (it didn't win).
2) IMO- Ms. Rice wrote the 2nd book with much better intent, and since she
had more time, was able to 'flesh' it out more. The third book was more of
a 'gee, we can make money on this here series' sort of book. I don't think
I dread the new book coming out, I'm no doubt going to be reading it at
some time, but it will be with a cynical attitude at the outset :)
r.
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Date: Sun,  6 Sep 1992 04:56:33 -0400 
From: "William R. Frank" <wf0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Near Dark

if anyone out there hasn't seen near dark...see it...it really doesn't
matter what kind of movies you normally like...your existence as a
vampire or not...this is a great movie...i have never met anyone who
didn't enjoy watching it period...i feel so strongly about this movie
that i will gladly accept complaints/flack from anyone who sees it
because of my recommendation and doesn't enjoy themselves or catch
themselves thinking...the movie is intense period...
From: buxton@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Eric Buxton)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: New Anne Rice???
Date: 8 Sep 92 06:00:13 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <Bu8qnH.3vA@andy.bgsu.edu> ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile)  
writes:
> 
> 	I think that I read something the other day about a new Anne Rice
> novel featuring Lestat...  Anyone know any more about this??  Meanwhile,  
I'll
> try to dig up the article.
>                                         crystal

The book has something about a body in its title.  It is excerpted in this  
month's Playboy if you want to get a preview.
Eric