HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: unicorn@world.std.com (unicorn)
Subject: Re: Forwarded news from rec.sport.disc
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:53:28 GMT

>> 
>>But given that we only want it for the players' benefit, and that we
>>can't do anything with it other than use it as a unique ID, what's the
>>objection besides some kind of image thing?
>> 
>>--Frank Revi, UPA MIS chair

Read comp.risks some time and you'll find out.  This practice may soon become
illegal.  The SSN is not supposed to be used this way and the Federal
Government is trying to stop it. If I have your SSN, you'd be amazed at what
people will tell me about you over the phone, just 'cause they think I'm you.

The Wizard of AHs ( unicorn@world.std.com )

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From: mds@henry.ece.cmu.edu (Mark Schultz)
Subject: Re: SOTG / Travelling
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:37:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.163000.10767@cs.rochester.edu> ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:
>
>In article <QeRJsmu00iUyM2G2Mu@andrew.cmu.edu> "Matthew S. Weiss" <mwaa+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>I'm interested in opinions about another kind of travel than that
>>discussed in this line of argument.  Recently, I've been calling more
>>travels when the player I'm covering catches the disc and then jogs four
>>or five steps before establishing a pivot foot.


>I think the "three step" rule applies here. That is, you can make a
>throw without establishing a pivot foot if it's within three steps of
>the catch. (I don't have my copy of the rules to check, but it *is*
>there, isn't it? I'm not just remembering a rule of thumb, am I?)
>If the person runs farther, they should back up to where they touched
>down.
>

If you read the "three step" rule carefully you will find that it applie ONLY
to throwing without stopping and planting a pivot foot.  The rule on 
travelling is merely that you stop as short a time as reasonably possible.
If you catch the disc at a walking pace you are NOT entitled to take 3 more
steps to set up your throw.  I've seen people abuse this phantom "three step"
rule to completely alter direction to evade an approaching marker and set up
a clean throw.  This is neither within SOTG or legal.  On the other hand, if
more than three steps are required to reasonably stop, it is not a travel.

								Mark


					


From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
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Subject: Pick up in Philly
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:38:00 -0500

To whoever it was that wanted info on pick-up in Philly:

try Mark Cornacchio, pres of the Philly Area Disc Alliance
at 215-265-4121.

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From: troy@cqs.washington.edu (Troy Frever)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Tips on catching
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:08:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Frank Revi <71551.2461@CompuServe.COM> writes:

>When stakes are really high, stand up straight, catch the hammer one-handed
>(top edge), while placing the other hand on your hip.  This is GOOD FORM, for
>catching the disc is like sipping a glass of fine champagne.  *How very
>elegant* is an appropriate remark when someone executes such a catch.

It is also acceptable to perform the hand-on-hip catch with one knee
on the ground.  Be sure to have the catching arm fully extended
directly above your head.  Try to save this catch for those blades
which are truly *vertical* and travelling at maximum velocity :)


Troy
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: fontes@astro.psu.edu (Chris Fontes)
Subject: Re: Ultimate in Colorado Spr
Organization: Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics, Penn State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:48:24 GMT

And the answer is:
  NO, Chuck is not out of luck! I ran into a contact at Cuervo
in ABQ who plays in Colorado Springs. He said I could use him
as a contact for others. So Chuck now has his contact.

Chris "Storing info in the great American Southwest" Fontes
From: peter@blade (Peter Korsten)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: One handed catches
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:09:52 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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nolan@pi3.lbl.gov (david nolan) writes:
: In article <1992Jul27.094619.3107@desire.wright.edu> antioch@desire.wright.edu writes:
: >
: >Also, just because people I've gotten different answers: Is it best to grab a
: >hammer with just one hand?	MattKelly@antioc.antioch.edu
: 
: I tell this to beginners and I try to follow the same rule myself:
: The only time it's OK to catch with one hand is if your feet have to leave
: the ground, as in skying or laying out. Otherwise use two hands for any kind
: of throw.

Have you ever tried to throw a disc with two hands? :-)

No, seriously. You're right about this, though during training I catch
about any disc single handed. During games, however, I (and every else
in my team) am told to catch double handed, because it's much safer.

There are still people who manage to put their hands not exactly on top
of each other, so that the disc will flip out of their hands and hit
the ground anyway.

: Ok, one exception:  the disk is thrown behind you and you have to reach 
: back quickly to prevent the defender from getting to it first.

The only times I catch single handed is when I really have to reach for
a disc (can't reach it with two hands), when it's thrown behind my
back (grrr) or when I even have to dive to grab it.

I'm trying to catch a hammer single handed (where the disc comes in
vertically, when it comes in upside-down it isn't that difficult)
but it's tricky, especially when the throw is bad.

: Dave Nolan

					Peter.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: kevinpo@sco.COM (Kevin Pondy)
Subject: 10 vs Stall
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:03:28 GMT


What is the big deal with saying "Stall" versus saying "Ten".
I understand that by saying "Stall" people could think that the
thrower was stalled and stop playing.  However, in reality, I
don't see this happening.  It is like a pick call, you should
never stop going to the disc.  
What I don't like is that people actually say that they weren't
stalled because the marker said "Stall" instead of "Ten".  A word
is a word and by the spirit of the game they were rightfully stalled.
But it seems that there are a lot of lawyers out there that want
to get their clients off on a technicality; "The rules say you must
say TEN, not STALL, therefore you didn't stall me."  Bogus and anti-
spirit.  
It is similar to when the stall was changed to "stalling zero".  
People have "stalling one" burned into their brain for years
and it is hard to change.
I would like to see the rule modified so that these lawyer types
can't take away a near-perfectly good stall.

Spirit Rules,
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Re: SOTG / Travelling
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:16:39 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.112727.26108@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> stegerc@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Carsten Steger) writes:
>Imagine the following: A player catches the disc with nobody within 10
>meters around him. He then throws off a long huck downfield. In the
>act of doing so he drags his pivot foot maybe 20 centimeters or so.
>Someone who is 20 meters away from the throwing player calls
>'travelling'.

A similar thing happened to me in a league playoff game a few years
ago. We were playing at night in a rainstorm on a field that had long
since had all the green stuff turned to mud. I caught a pass in the
middle of the field, turned, and threw to the endzone, in the process
slipping in the mud. Amazingly, the pass was caught for a crucial
score, but even more amazingly was called back on a travel. Needless
to say, my SOTG suffered a bit in the ensuing exchange, as we went on
the lose the game.

George
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From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Albuquerque Cuervo Quali
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:15:02 -0500

CF>women: Satori (D.C., best team in the MA region) vs. DV8
CF>     Denver kicked ass with a final score around 19-7

Just want to point something out about 'Satori' at Albuquerque.  There
were only eight (or nine?) women there for the weekend, and only three
of them are on Satori. They were 'sent' by the rest of Satori to finish
at least second and win a spot for the Cuervo Championships.

(May I add that this is one of the things that I don't like about the
Cuervo Series - i.e., complete lack of roster control).

 * SLMR 2.1a * Disc Error - (H)uck (D)ump (S)ub out
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: SOTG / Travelling
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester.


In article <QeRJsmu00iUyM2G2Mu@andrew.cmu.edu> "Matthew S. Weiss" <mwaa+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I'm interested in opinions about another kind of travel than that
>discussed in this line of argument.  Recently, I've been calling more
>travels when the player I'm covering catches the disc and then jogs four
>or five steps before establishing a pivot foot.
>[...]  My complaint is that
>he's preventing me from marking him, starting a stall count, and perhaps
>stopping the throw or holding my team's force by continuing to run while
>I should be catching up to him.  

I think the "three step" rule applies here. That is, you can make a
throw without establishing a pivot foot if it's within three steps of
the catch. (I don't have my copy of the rules to check, but it *is*
there, isn't it? I'm not just remembering a rule of thumb, am I?)
If the person runs farther, they should back up to where they touched
down.

Now, I've seen the following interesting case: my man catches a long
huck (so maybe I was poaching...) and overruns. He walks back, but
sloooowly, waiting for some of his teammates to catch up. I can't
start to count, because he is, after all, doing the correct thing and
hasn't established a pivot foot. Hmm. 

George
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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: One handed catches
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:45:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.094619.3107@desire.wright.edu> antioch@desire.wright.edu writes:

:)Also, just because people I've gotten different answers: Is it best to grab a
:)hammer with just one hand?	MattKelly@antioc.antioch.edu

There probably isn't any "best" way to catch one. It's just personal
preference. Personally, unless I'm having a bad day, I catch most of
them that come to me one handed. If I try and catch them two handed, 
I start having problmes with timing. Just try both ways in practice
while throwing the disc around, and see which one works better for you.
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From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
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Subject: Forwarded news from rec.
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 17:42:00 -0500

MSW>>But given that we only want it for the players' benefit, and that we
MSW>>can't do anything with it other than use it as a unique ID, what's the
MSW>>objection besides some kind of image thing?
MSW>>
MSW>>--Frank Revi, UPA MIS chair


MSW>I imagine it is not practical to do this, as the UPA already had many SS
MSW>numbers, but what about using the first eight digits of the number?  It
MSW>seems unlikely that we'd have a duplicate (if we did it would be more
MSW>amusing, I think, than genuinely troublesome, and no one would have to
MSW>chance his/her SS number actually revealed.

Actually, if you read all the fine print on the back of the UPA form,
you'll see a solution almost identical this is already in existence. If
a player objects to using his/her SSN, s/he may replace the first digit
with a '7'.  (SSN's always starts with numbers less than 7).  In that
way, as you suggested, only 8 of the digits are being used (although, in
this case, it is the last eight).

(May I be so presumtuous as to make some comment like "great minds think
alike"?  Naaaah, never mind <g> )

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From: quanbook@world.std.com (Quantum Books)
Subject: Re: Database Keys
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:55:16 GMT

In article <2143@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> schmidt@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Evan Schmidt) writes:
>Hello Frizbee Heads,
>	It seems to me that a simple solution is to use the date of
>birth and telephone number of an individual as there unique identifier
>(aka key).  These are two things that people don't forget and thus you
>don't sacrfice your SSN.  It would also be the responsibility of each
>team captain to maintain an accurate (and consistent with the UPA
>info) list of their team members info.  If they want their team
>members to play then they will do this.  How hard can it be for each
>individual team to take this resposibility upon itself...

Well as we all know it can be pretty hard.

The problem seems to shake down as follows:

SSN's are out.  Just too nasty all round.
DOB & telephone number combo has that maintenance problem.
Random UPA IDs cannot be remembered.

What we need is the Right to Choose!  Yes, license plates and 800
numbers are the right models for the freedoms we demand.  Give us
seven, eight, or nine digits, and we should all be able to speak
and spell our ID numbers on demand.  The number of course will have
to be applied for to ensure uniqueness, because everyone will want
85846283 and its near neighbors (guess what that spells), but this 
should really be no big deal to maintain.

(A really cool way would be to dial-in to a BBS that dispensed
 the numbers.  That BBS would then grow into something awesome...)

-kevin irlen
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From: dks@apple.com (dk smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Boulder Creek Brewing Company Hat Tournament Comment
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:20:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

Hats *on* to Dave Mo for an incredible weekend at the BCBC Tourney.
Dave and Tammy have redefined the concept of a Hat Tourney!

The disc play was "Wicked". The teams were all relative - no stacked 
teams. Great fun was had by all. There's nothing like Redwoods providing
a scenic backdrop for high-flying Pulls! 

Definitely a 5-star tournament. Look for it in your Triple-A TourBook.

PS: The women were GREAT! You all were so strong! 
    Thanx for the best co-ed play, ever!
From: wohler@sapwdf.UUCP (Bill Wohler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: One handed catches
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:08:02 GMT
Reply-To: Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de>
Organization: SAP AG, Walldorf, Germany

In article <1992Jul27.094619.3107@desire.wright.edu> antioch@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>Also, just because people I've gotten different answers: Is it best to grab a
>hammer with just one hand?	MattKelly@antioc.antioch.edu
> 

  guts: one hand
  ultimate: two hands

Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> <sapwdf!wohler>
Heidelberg Red Barons Ultimate Frisbee Team
From: Nelson.F..Steele@p807.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Nelson F. Steele)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: UPA question
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:24:44 -0500

On 7/20/92 Eric Simon said to Nelson F. Steele: 

 
  ES> Do you realize, though, what a burden that would place on me.  I
 
yes, that makes sense.  could the upa somehow ask members for blanket
permission?  explain what kind of requests will be honored - maybe only from
other upa members.
From: cbrunson@vermont.East.Sun.COM (Chuck Brunson - Sun BOS Corporate Software Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Ultimate Class
Date: 31 Jul 1992 19:40:12 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: regional
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From: ho@cs.arizona.edu (Hilarie Orman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: unique identifiers
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:46:32 GMT

In article <711842413.F00001@blkcat.UUCP>, Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon) writes:
|> 
|> ... a promise from the UPA that the SSN's will never
|> be used for anything other then data base keys, and that privacy of
|> the numbers will be totally maintained,

You cannot promise that your records will not be subpoenaed.  Nor can you
guarantee that the UPA will not, at some future time, surrender its records
to a successor or companion organization that has different policies.
What about the people who handle all the rosters at a tournament?  They
have lists of hundreds of SSN's; they are under no obligation to maintain
the privacy of that information.

The UPA record-keeping problem is immense, its resources are limited, its
intentions are honorable.  Nonetheless, there are good reasons for it to
move away from the SSN (and even the 7SSN) dependency.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Re: One handed catches
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:23:10 GMT


In article <712393219.F00001@blkcat.UUCP> Nelson.F..Steele@p807.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Nelson F. Steele) writes:
>On 7/28/92 Peter Korsten said to All: 
>PK> There are still people who manage to put their hands not exactly on
>PK> top of each other, so that the disc will flip out of their hands and
>PK> hit the ground anyway.
>I *hate* it when that happens.

Yeah, and then you hear the cry "One hand!" from some wiseguy/gal on
the sidelines... Actually, it's usually me, heh.

George
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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: SOTG / Travelling
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:33:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bs40s3.vC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:
:)Now, I've seen the following interesting case: my man catches a long
:)huck (so maybe I was poaching...) and overruns. He walks back, but
:)sloooowly, waiting for some of his teammates to catch up. I can't
:)start to count, because he is, after all, doing the correct thing and
:)hasn't established a pivot foot. Hmm. 

perhaps the rule can be adapted so that the stall count begins when the
person catches the disk, but if he takes more than his three steps, he still
must return to the point of touchdown before throwing? This would prevent
what you just describe from happening, and I don't see any problems this
rule would cause... maybe someone else does?  :)

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From: fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Re: San Fransisco/Berkeley pickup
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:35:52 GMT

In <1992Jul27.094619.3107@desire.wright.edu> antioch@desire.wright.edu writes:

>Also, just because people I've gotten different answers: Is it best to grab a
>hammer with just one hand?	MattKelly@antioc.antioch.edu

I think this question comes up because a lot of people tend to make a two
handed catch with a hand on each *side* of the disc.  With one hand, you
catch the *front*.  I think anytime you're in a position to catch two
handed, do it, and make sure both your hands are in front of the disk so
it doesn't go zipping between your hands.  This happens especially with a
wet disc.

ben
fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
lemon curry?

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From: davidb@is.morgan.com (David Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: pickup games
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
	<1992Jul28.195034.26601@walter.bellcore.com>
	<Bs4Co4.6A5@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:42:49 GMT

Well....

...I actually maintain a FAQ that has this sort of stuff in it (a list
of contacts for cities and contries around the world.)  I don't have
anything * specific * for pick-up, but when somebody posts to the net
with a willingness to have people call them or mail them, I add it to
the FAQ.

In the interest of keeping things in one place, I'd prefer for stuff
to continue to flow to me so I can keep the FAQ up to date.  But, if
somebody else has an intense interest to start maintaining the FAQ, we
can certainly talk!

David.

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