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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:38:20 GMT

>In <Bs1ntL.25u@newcastle.ac.uk> w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk asks:

>>Why is there only one British Olymipic team?

In article <1992Jul27.175407.12893@cs.hut.fi> killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) answers:
>Because USA has only one, too.  So does Denmark and Finland.

See below; Puerto Rico is considered separate from the rest of the
segments which make up the United States (including the fifty states,
the District of Columbia, and territories governed by the US).

Coyne says:
>>   Instead there are separate teams for England, Scotland, Wales and
>>Northern Ireland.   So why did these four countries decide to have
                                           ^^^^^^^^
Kalle Kivama goes on to say:
>Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England are NOT countries.
>That is why they are not allowed to participate independently.

But what about Puerto Rico?  That is not an independent country; all
of its citizens are citizens of the United States.  However, it fields
its own Olympic team.

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
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From: dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Macedonian athletes to compete at Barcelona, Spain.
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:02:57 GMT
Reply-To: dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article rsakella@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Rizos Sakellariou) writes, apropos
of news of Macedonian particpation in the Olympics:
>Since the so-called "Macedonian" state has not yet been recognized 
>by most of the countries of the world (including the USA and the EEC), 
>the main argument against its recognition being the use of the 
>the name Macedonia, I can't understand how the sport reporters will
>inform their countries that these athletes are coming from Macedonia
>and not simply from the ex-Yugoslavia.

Television and newspaper reporters - in Britain, France,  USA  and  most
other  countries  -  will  undoubtedly  continue  the practice they have
already adopted, of calling the place  by  its  proper  name,  which  is
Macedonia.   Only in Greece does the use of the word Macedonia appear to
be causing mental indigestion.

The claim that "most countries" object to (ex-Yu)  Macedonia's  name  is
quite  false - the SOLE country objecting to recognition of the Republic
of Macedonia is Greece.  In the case of the EC  countries,  the  foreign
ministers  voted  eleven to one IN FAVOUR of recognising Macedonia under
its own chosen name - Greece was the one vote against, and exercised its
veto (since EC foreign policy requires unanimity).

The reason given by James Baker (in a recent newspaper report)  for  the
US  not  recognising Macedonia is that they fear the Greek government is
so unstable it may fall if Macedonia is publicly recognised.  Given  the
climate  of  nationalist hysteria in Greece over the name Macedonia that
sounds all too plausible.

From what I've heard of the Greek government's policy on this  question,
I'd  argue  that  the  rest  of  the world should go ahead and recognise
Macedonia anyway - if the Greek government falls as a consequence,  this
could  be  an additional benefit.  A government that charges people with
treason for writing opinions it  disagrees  with  deserves  no  sympathy
whatsoever.

Macedonia is small, poor,  friendless,  and  threatened  by  two  larger
powers  -  Greece  and  Serbia.  We should be throwing the Macedonians a
lifeline, not telling them to change their name.

I am happy to see them at the Olympics.
From: rajah@soda.berkeley.edu (Raja S Kushalnagar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Cricket in the Olympics
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:53:20 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association

I was startled when I noted that baseball was a full-fledged event
in the Olympics, and had been for quite a while, for it certainly
does not seem to be `widespread', as required by the Olympic charter.
(North America, Far East, and that's about it).  And I can think
of many other sports that are not that widespread either -- e.g.,
pelota, etc.  Don't get me wrong though. I'm just saying that if
baseball qualifies for the Olympics, cricket ought to qualify too.
Though cricket is played mainly by Commonwealth countries, they are 
widespread enough -- Europe, Australia, Asia, Americas and
Africa -- five continents, which should qualify.  Though perhaps, not
until the advent of the one day matches in the early eighties, was it 
practical to compress a tournament into two weeks.  Still, one-days
have been around for a long time, and I'm surprised why there has
not been any open debate or bidding to get cricket included in the
Olympics. 

Anyone know if there has been any active bidding for getting cricket
included in the Olympics, and if so, when could we expect it to be
included? 2000 AD?

	-Raja
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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: NBC - volley Ball Scores
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:39:48 GMT

In article 11443@tamsun.tamu.edu, chunduri@ee.tamu.edu (Srikar Chunduri) writes:
>
>    Did any one notice that during the highlights shown
>    on the regular NBC the scoring shown was crazy.
>    Points were awarded when ever there was a chenge of
>    service insted they awarded a point.
>   (One more feather in their cap. :-))
>
>  srikar
>
>-- 
>
>	Full speed ahead 
>		Aye Aye Captain.-- Sulu


I believe they were showing the highlights from the fifth games, which is done in
rally points.  It sucks, but FIVB has never listened to me before, why should they 
do it now.
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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Isn't Olympics for Amateurs?
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:27:25 GMT
Organization: Exile Government of Bramming

cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck) writes:

>But what the heck is wrong with athletes trying to make a living?

Absolutely nothing. The concept of restricting an event the size of the
Olympics to amateurs is grossly unfair. Think about it - the Olympics
pulls in huge amounts from sponsors, television and spectators. Many
people, journalists, officials etc, makes money on it. So its only
logical that the athletes gets something to - no athletes, no games.

>Perhaps we'll see the day when the ultimate barrier will fall, allowing
>professionals from the most popular sport in the world to compete: SOCCER !

That will not happen unless they move the Olympics.
-- 
No News is Bad News
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From: jaimiep@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Jaimie Polson)
Subject: Swimming question
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:16:23 GMT

In Australia, we here a lot about one of our swimmers, and how he has a great
chance at getting gold medals. His name is Kierin Perkins (sp?). What are
people's opinions about him and other swimmers?
Jaimie
.

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From: slansky_doug@macn15.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Volleyball Tourney Format?
Organization: CSG Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:04:55 GMT

Hello Net,

Anyone with an update on the US-Canada Match?

Also, how is the tourney formatted?  I know that the US pool consists of
US,Canada,Spain,Japan, and Italy.  Are they taking only the top two teams? 
Please let me know...

Doug
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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: results (men's team competition, AA & event qualifiers)
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:40:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.150737.7678@news.acns.nwu.edu>, fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:
|> 
|> I find it very interesting to see that two of the three American gymnasts who
|> qualify for the individual apparatus finals--Jair Lynch and Trent
|> Dimas--will not compete in the all-around competition, while John
|> Roethlisberger and Scott Keswick, both in the all-around competition, are
|> shut out of individual events.  How did this happen?  I realize that for
|> the all-around, one need not be the best in all disciplines to be
|> successful (much like the decathlon), but this wasn't the case in the
|> women's competition--the three all-around American qualifiers are the ones
|> who qualified in the separate events as well.  Did Dimas and Lynch have
|> particularly good routines on their qualification apparatus, or did they
|> really mess up on some other apparatus, making their all-around scores low?
|> Or are they simply good in the "right" events, i.e., the events in which
|> many people are shut out due to the "2 person/country" rule, rather than
|> the events in which a variety of countries do well and few get shut out to
|> let lower scorers in?

The primary reason is that the US Womens team is absolutely extraordinary,
while the Mens team is fair. As a result hardly any of the Men are in the
event finals (while I think we have 2 women in each.) This means that the
top US women will have to have nearly perfect scores, and therefore will
likely qualify for the event finals in all of the events, where as the men
who make the event finals will have to have turned in a score that happened
to be much better than their overall score. This also means that the less well
rounded the US Male gymnasts were, the more likely they were to make an event
final.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: BASEBALL:  day 4 results
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:26:16 GMT

RESULTS for July 29, 1992 
------------------------- 
Cuba  9,  USA  5 
Puerto Rico 2, Italy 0
Japan  17,  Dominican Republic 0
Taiwan 20, Spain  0

OLYMPIC STANDINGS
-----------------
 
Team            W       L       PTS 
------------------------------------
Cuba            4       0        8   
United States   3       1        6     
Japan           3       1        6 
Taiwan          3       1        6     
Puerto Rico     2       2        4       
Dominican R.    1       3        2       
Spain           0       4        0       
Italy           0       4        0       
 
Games for July 31, 1992 
-----------------------
Dominican Republic vs Taiwan
Japan vs Italy
USA vs Puerto Rico
Spain vs Cuba

USA BOX SCORE
-------------

USA
		AB	R	H	BI
Murray lf	5	0	1	0
Wimmer 2b	5	1	1	0
Hammands cf	4	2	2	0
Tucker dh	3	1	3	3
Nevin 3b	3	1	0	1
Giambi 1b	3	1	0	0
Wilson 1b	1	0	0	0
McConnell rf	3	0	1	1
Johnson	c	3	0	0	0
Varitek c	0	0	0	0
Garciaperra ss	4	0	1	0
-------------------------------------------
Totals		34	6	9	5

CUBA
		AB	R	H	BI
Vargas dh	5	2	2	1
Pancheco 2b	5	1	1	4
Linares 3b	5	0	1	0
Kindelan lf	3	0	0	0
Estrada rf	0	0	0	0
Gurriel 1b	4	1	1	0
VMesa cf	2	0	1	0
Urrutia rf	3	1	1	0
AHernandez c	4	2	3	1
GMesa ss	4	2	3	0
-------------------------------------------
Totals		35	9	13	6

-----------------------------------
USA		500  000  100 -- 6
Cuba		004  203  00x -- 9
-----------------------------------

E: Pancheco, GMesa, Garciaparra 2, Greene, Dreifort,
Sjete, Wilson, AHernandez.  LOB: USA 6, Cuba 7.
2B: AHernandez.  HR: Tucker, Pacheco.  SB: Wimmer,
Murray, Tucker.  S: VMesa, Urrutia.

USA		IP	H	R	ER	BB	SO
Helling		3	4	4	4	0	1
Kirkreit, L	2/3	4	2	1	0	0
Greene		1 2/3	3	2	1	0	0
Dreifort	1	0	1	0	1	0
Roberts		2	2	0	0	0	1

Cuba
OHernandez, W	2/3	3	5	3	2	1
Ajete		8 2/3	6	1	0	3	9

==========================================================================  
Christopher Gattuso			

gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com
Motorola, Inc.
Schaumburg, Illinois

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president,
 and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
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Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:23:57 IST
From: Anthony Waller <P85014@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Short-Wave Olympic Coverage?
Distribution: na

In article <1992Jul26.150925.25548@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
ph2p@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Peter F. Hayward) says:
>
>Does the BBC cover the Olympics on radio?  Is there any way
>to get this broadcast in the US?  Basically, what I want to know
>is is there any way at all to get live Olympic coverage without
>the triplecast.
>
  You can get regular updates on BBC World Service Sports Roundup
at 0315 0945 1245 and 1745 GMT.  These programs run for 15 minutes.
There is also special Olympic editions of Sportsworld from
2109 until 2130 GMT.  I'm pretty sure there's another edition of
Sportsworld at around 1530 GMT, but I don't remember the exact time.
They also give updates at the end of their 1/2 hr NEWSWORLD and
hour-long NEWSHOUR programs.

  Unfortunately I don't know the frequencies for reception of the
BBC in the US.
From: stevel@Autodesk.COM (Steven W. Litras)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Barkley is a jerk...
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:02:34 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

I  personally  enjoy  watching  the  USA  team play, there were some truly
spectacular plays in the Angola game (and it's nice to See Magic playing).
But I thought the Angolan guy who Barkley elbowed  should have decked him.
Barkley severely needs an attitude adjustment. He should have been  booted
out of the game for that one.


Steve


val@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Valerie Hall) writes:
> What is Charles Barkleys problem.
> 
> Barkly turns around and as he runs past the Angolan, elbows him with great force in the chest.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------- 

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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: Copyrighting (was re: updated event times?)
Summary: clari posted answer
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:50:29 GMT

This was posted on clari...

Q: Can I repost stories from ClariNet?

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If your site has a site licence, then you can repost to local mailing lists
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Of course, you can always quote small snippets of any news story.  This is
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Following is the attribution... I guess this should answer any and all
questions...

Rachele

From rice!bcm!wupost!uunet!decwrl!looking!brad Fri Jul 24 22:41:42 CDT 1992
Article: 7 of clari.net.newusers
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Newsgroups: clari.net.newusers
Subject: Frequently asked questions
Date: 24 Jul 1992 20:16:59 GMT
Expires: Mon, 24 Aug 92 16:16:59 EDT
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: DIVE: Result-W's Platform Preliminary Round
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 08:59:05 GMT

DIVING - Women's Platform Preliminary Round
===========================================
 
1	FU, Mingxia			CHN	361.770 pts
2	CLARK, Mary Ellen		USA	329.850
3	MIROCHINA, Elena		EUN	310.320
4	IZGUERRA, Maria Jose Alcala	MEX	309.390 
5	OWEN, Ellen			USA	299.520
6	ZHU, Jinhong			CHN	297.000
7	AFONINA, Inga			EUN	293.940
8	ALLEN, Hayley			GBR	292.770
9	DE CANALES, Veronica Ribot	ARG	292.260
10	ADAMS, April			AUS	290.730
11	ARLOW, Vyninka			AUS	289.140
12	VOICU, Ioana			ROM	288.870
13	ALEXANDERSON ALVAREZ, Macarena	MEX	286.590
14	WETZIG, Ute			GER	284.130
15	CIOCAN, Clara			ROM	283.920
16	GORDON, Paige			CAN	283.110
17	MONTMINY, Anne			CAN	282.420
18	KIM, Chun Ok			NKO	282.360
19	BISELLO, Luisella		ITA	272.190
20	KUHN, Monica			GER	270.510
21	NAGY, Ibolya			HUN	269.520
22	KOSTENBERGER, Yvonne		SWI	264.810
23	RYU, Un-sil			NKO	262.560
24	PATERSON, Tania Leanne		NZL	254.040
25	WARD, Lesley			GBR	242.160
26	MOTOBUCHI, Yuki			JPN	239.010
27	CSERBA, Brigitta		HUN	236.100
28	NEITZKE, Silvana de Fatima	BRA	230.700

** Results complete **
 
Rod Swift
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From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic coverage ...
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:06:20 GMT
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Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP's message of 29 Jul 92 21:30:54 GMT


In article <2782@perl-sun.dwrsun4.UUCP> perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg) writes:


   In article <1992Jul24.150250.411@u.washington.edu>, sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
   > If the NBC coverage of the opening ceremonies is as bad as
   > CBS' coverage of the opening of the Winter Olympics, ...

   It was!

Well, I didn't see the Summer opening ceremonies, but I would disagree
that the CBS coverage of the Winter ceremonies was bad.  Personally, I
thought it was the best example of unintentional humor I've seen in a
long, LONG time.

I would pay serious bucks for tapes of the CBS coverage of the Winter
Olympics opening ceremony.  Long pauses interspersed with perceptive
comments like, "Well...gee.  Would you look at that."  Heh.
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From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic coverage ...
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:07:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1651@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.150250.411@u.washington.edu> sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) writes:
>>

>I'm actually starting to like the commercial coverage.

That's because the athletic competition has not started yet. As soon as it
starts, and you want to see them and you get to see ugly stupid
commentators talk to each other for hours with no intention of allowing the
public to see sports - well, your opinion wil change. Unless you are a
diving addict and love watching 1000 dives per day.

Employer disagrees.
From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: BASEBALL: preview
Keywords: baseball
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:32:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: rice.1992Jul28.163247.29810
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston

posting for Chris Gattuso...

OLYMPIC BASEBALL
----------------

FORMAT:
   The teams that qualify include Europe's championship team (Italy), the
   top teams from the Asian countries (Japan, Chinese Taipei) and the top
   teams from the Pan Am Games (Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, US)
   and the host country.
    Teams play round-robin games, with the top four advancing to the semi-
   finals.  The first place team will play the fourth place team and the
   second place team will play the third place team.  The winnere meet for
   the gold and the losers for the bronze.
    This will be the first year baseball will be an official sport in the
   Olympics.  The previous seven it was a demonstration sport.  The games
   will be played under Internation Baseball Association rules, which are
   the same as those in Major League Baseball.  The only difference are
   aluminum bats will be allowed and the squad size is limited to 20 players
   and designated hitters will be used for pitchers.
MEDAL WATCH:
   Cuba, which throttled the United States in two out of three games during
   a recent tour of Cuba, is the baseball equivalent of USA's Dream Team.
   Among the handfull of Cuban players who could play in the majors right
   now is third baseman Omar Linares, who has been with the national team
   since he was 17.
    Cuba, participating in the Olympics for the first time since 1980,
   should win its first Olympic gold medal.  The U.S. has the right man for
   the job of trying to stealthe gold from Cuba.  Ron Fraser, a man with an
   impeccable reputation as a coach and master of promotions, closes out
   his brillant career in Barcelona.
    The U.S. featuring catcher Charles Johnson, should contend for the
   silver or bronze.  Other countries expected to challenge are Japan,
   Puerto Rico, Italy, and Chinese Taipei.

OPENING GAMES:
   Cuba   vs.  Dominican Republic
   Taiwan vs.  Italy
   Puerto Rico  vs.  Japan
   United States  vs.  Spain

Feel free to send questions or comments to me!!!!
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gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com
Motorola, Inc.
Schaumburg, Illinois
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