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From: joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Beginner's silly questions (!)
Date: 30 Aug 92 19:55:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In response to all the Texas bashing done by certain citizens of the great
state of Colorado, may I remind you that most of the prime ski areas currently
located in your state are only a part of your state because Texas gave them to
you when it joined this Union.  And if you're not good, we might take it back.
 
Seriously, though, I've been told there's a good beg./int. place in S.Colo. by
the name of Bear Creek Pass or something like that.  Anyone got any info? 
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Mail Ordering Snowboard/Ski equipment and clothing ...
From: grspangler@ualr.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:05:15 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <CYL6W2L@netmbx.netmbx.de>, rickk@netmbx.netmbx.de (Rick Kuhlbars) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Any reputable mail order businesses specializing snowboard/ski equipment
> and clothing?
> just getting ready for 'da new season!
> 
> How many of us snowboarders are reading this ski group anyway?
> Just curious.
> 
> any info appreciated!
> 
> rick
> ----
> rickk@netmbx.netmbx.de 
> rick@netcs.com

i've been watching a group called rec.sport.snowboarding.  haven't seen any
activity though.

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From: czw70@ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: WANTED: Review of Davos (CH)
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:14:29 GMT
Reply-To: czw70@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Organization: Amdahl UK


I have been offered a trip to Davos in March, anybody been there?
If so, what's it like?  Is it pricey?  Do you recommend it?

Replies via email please, I will post a summary of any replies.

Thanks,
CAW
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Alpine Snow [was Snow in Colorado]
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:41:28 GMT

Looking out of my window I can see a nice layer of snow which fell above 1500m (5000') onto the French Alpes last night.... ha, and people thought I was mad walking around town with new skis on Saturday !

Still looks like Colorado got a jump on us this year,

David.
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Closed Ski Areas in Colorado - Post 4
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:34:16 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

A question for your historian friend:

We noticed what looked remarkably like the cuts for a set of ski runs 
on the foothills to the west of Colorado-69, but I cannot be more 
specific since there are few reference points on that road!  I did 
not see any sign indicating a ski area; does one exist, or has it been
abandoned, or is it a private hill for the local residents? 

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 06:43:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.164846.1807@odin.corp.sgi.com>
jym@cruz.denver.sgi.com writes:
>And if you don't want people with no sense of humor in your state,
>pass a law that prevents Californians from entering.

Other groups are having similar problems (rec.hunting is one) with jokes.
One recommendation I have is to post Brad Templeton's guidelines
of joke moderation from rec.humor.funny.

I guess Oregon is headed to similar, humorless directions
(Re: their controversial new ballot measure).

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Recs for Xmas Vacation
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:42:16 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: all
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 26 Aug 92 16:06:59 GMT, bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan) said:

Beverly> We're thinking of skiing the week before Xmas. Places we're
Beverly> considering are Whistler, Banff, Jackson Hole, or Steamboat.

All *huge* areas, with the possible exception of Banff.  That can be a problem
if you don't want to constantly ski together, especially with kids that young.

Beverly> We have 2 kids, 5 and 8, who are advanced skiers.  Which would
Beverly> be a best bet for weather, snow, reasonable priced accomodations,
Beverly> good terrain (lots of blues and not to scary black diamonds).

Does the family ski as a unit?  How do your abilities compare?  Steamboat has a
great kids program, and kids ski free (don't know about the others in this
respect).

Beverly> We're usually Sierra skiers -- skiing Squaw, Alpine and Sugar 
Beverly> Bowl, so that gives you an idea of our tastes.

Three *very* different mountains!  Banff and Jackson will feel like Sugar Bowl,
only *much* bigger.  Steamboat would feel a bit like Alpine.  Whistler like
Squaw.

Beverly> Beverly M. Zalan
Beverly> bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com

Hope this helps...
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
My, that back range looks great with snow!                         ISSC Boulder
From: klaus@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Klaus B. Biggers)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:50:09 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <1992Aug26.185918.4425@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>I thought launce was sufficiently outrageous to be funny.  Keep up the
>good work.
>
>In article <SSH.92Aug26103230@snow.boulder.ibm.com> <ssh@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>>Never eaten at the Cliff Lodge, huh?  Depends on your taste, too...
>
>The faire between the restaurants at the Bird (as is much of Utah) fairly
>bland.  Denver has far better restaurants.  Face it, Utah is not known for
>its cuisine.  Launce is right.  Park City has far more diverse restaurants.
>It has room (being a Valley) to grow and build.  The Canyon does not.

Bland?? Utah not known for (good) cuisine?? There are some excellent local
dishes. Just pick up some of the Mormon Cookbooks. You would not believe
what can be done with Jello(tm). There's something about a good Jello/Cool
Whip/Marshmallow/m&m salad. Or how about deep fried Hostess Twinkies rolled
in confectioners sugar. Where else can you get that? Great for those midwinter
family home evenings.

Ski somewhere else.

-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu

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From: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Winter Park, CO
Date: 4 Sep 1992 21:11:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Does Winter Park in an average Dec, get much snow?

My local ski club is planning a trip there in mid Dec
and I would like to know if the resort would be worth
the trip then.

Thx

Regards,

Sandy


Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rrygg@cwis.unomaha.edu (john david rygg)
Subject: Re: WHATS NEW FOR 92 AT COLORADO SKI AREAS - EDITION 2
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:36:50 GMT







					"KAMIKASI JOHN"
From: bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Beginner's silly questions (!)
Keywords: invasions
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 07:45:58 PDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: what? me organized? no way!

crispin@watson.ibm.com (Crispin Cowan) writes:

> In article <1992Sep1.131733.1012@odin.corp.sgi.com> jym@sgi.com () writes:
> >Bob Lombard says:
> >On a serious
> >note, there are far more Californians moving to Colorado right now,
> >than the opposite.

  NO. No. NO.!!  _I SAID_  I see far more Colorado plate in San Diego than
  I ever see Ca. plates in Colorado.

  The original poster holds the position that Colorado was being
  Californicated to the tune of 30k + bodies/yr

  Personally, I agree with him, but its really a question of large-influx
  -of-aliens-from-anywhere-fornication than just Ca.  San Diego seems
  to be suffering a large influx of pests from Florida, Arizona, Texas
  and the midwest.

  My guess is that people move to california looking for perfection, and
  a surrogate mom & dad,  whilst people leave california to seek reality.
  some can't handle it and return.

  I for one, never have & never will consider CA home or a place to live,
  It just happens to be where the job is.  which I suspect is a good deal
  of the truth of the matter for anyone moving anywhere in this economy.

  BUT.. as I learned in 18 years as an army brat.. home is where you
  have a sense of place.

 
> Would someone care to elaborate on this claim?  I've seen several
> postings complaining about the "Californicating" of Colorado, but have
> no idea what they're referring to.  Sure, I'd love to move to Colorado,
> too, but how many high-tech research labs are there in Aspen, anyways?

  Aspen no.. but the front range are IS loaded, which is why it's currently
  growing like southern Ca.


  Oh well, :)


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From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Custom Boots
Date: 27 Aug 92 10:21:30 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: all
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 27 Aug 92 13:56:50 GMT, hudgens@enh.nist.gov said:

hudgens> In a previous article, dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann) wrote:
>Is it generally possible to customize boots that weren't originally
>custom jobs?
> 
>I have some San Marco's that have been through 3 moderate seasons and
>are getting loose.  Can they be salvaged or are new boots the only
>answer?

hudgens> Three moderate(?) seasons doesn't sound very wearing for a ski boot--unless
hudgens> moderate means 100 days/season.  If the inner boot is worn out, then
hudgens> you can buy a replacement from San Marco. I would recommend going a few
hudgens> bucks more and buying a foam liner with a foam tongue. Much better fit.

You can also go with the San Marco silicon system.  Rumored to be as sensitive
and accurate as foam without the pain (during foaming and when your feet change
slightly).  I have a pair of foam San Marco AXRs that were foamed twice.  I
finally gave up and bought standard liners.  They still don't fit right, so I
finally bought a new pair of TNTs last year.  There are a number of nice things
about the silicon system, not the least of which is they can be tweaked
multiple times without buying a new liner.
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
My, that back range looks great with snow!                         ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Keywords: boredom, random, bad food, california
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:07:36 GMT

>								 ---
<lots of stuff deleted>

>>Never ski California.  Ever.  You'll hate it.
>
 
NOOOOOOOO!!! Please Ski California! Stay the H*LL away From Colorado !
It Sucks.:-)

>One line, done tastefully.  Short, sweet.
>But as we have seen, you need to be more encouraging.  There exist people
>who do not like listening to the "nay-bobs of negativism."
>
>Promote Vail.
>
>--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
>  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
>  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
>Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
>Ref: Ray Tracing Jell-O (tm), P. Heckbert, Proc. SIGGRAPH. 1988.
From: shla@spf.trw.com (Sheila Wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Keywords: boredom, random, bad food, california
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:12:30 GMT
Organization: TRW Sensor Data Processing Center, Redondo Beach, CA

In article <1992Aug28.173100.12541@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>								 
>>Never ski California.  Ever.  You'll hate it.
>
>One line, done tastefully.  Short, sweet.
>But as we have seen, you need to be more encouraging.  There exist people
>who do not like listening to the "nay-bobs of negativism."

Okay, okay, so I didn't see the humor in Launce's previous posts about
Park City vs. Alta...I was only trying to provide some information.
I've gotten a lot of good advice from this newsgroup and just wanted to
return the favor.

I ask forgiveness of the rec.skiing.gods, and for my penance I will say
100 'Ski Vails' and 100 'Avoid Altas'.  Or better yet, maybe we should
start a new campaign -- Ski Ohio!

Sheila

-- 
Sheila Wallace		(shla@spf.trw.com)
TRW, One Space Park, R2/2162, Redondo Beach, CA 90278
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann)
Subject: Re: Snowmobiles on 10th Mtn Trail
Reply-To: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix-Intergraph
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:11:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.140725.24357@col.hp.com>, joanr@col.hp.com (Joan Paranka) writes:
|> The following article was in the Denver Post on Tuesday, the 25th.  I 
|> encourage anyone who wants to protect this delightful backcountry ski terrain 
|> to write a letter to the Forest Service.
|> 
|> "Hikers, skiers, and snowshoers who use multiple-use winter trails might want
|> to voice their views about the proposed expansion of the number of
|> snowmobiles and all-terrain vehicles allowed in the popular 10th Mountain
|> Trail/Hut System.  The U.S. Forest Service is collecting public comments from
|> commercial outfitters and guides who want to renew or expand permits for
|> snowmobiles, snowcats and other machines on the 10th Mountain Trail.  One
|> snowmobile guide has asked to expand its allowed number of snowmobile-use
|> days from 7,000 to 12,960, and to expand its ATV permit from 550 to 950.  To
|> express your opinion, write to Beth Boyst, P.O. Box 19, Minturn 81645.
|> Comments must be postmarked before Sept. 11."

Note that there was another comment in the same (or a related article)
that they planned to start grooming current cross country ski trails
for use by snowmobilers instead.

-- 

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From: joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Beginner's silly questions (!)
Date: 2 Sep 92 02:53:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <10529@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:
>Wolf Creek is a bit out of the way.)  Also, anyone ski Angel Fire?
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^ 


Four of us drove from Houston to Angel Fire last February, and had a blast.
Two of us were blue, the other two were green.  There was enough diversity to
challenge all of us, and we all greatly improved our skills.  There were only
a few black diamond runs, so I don't think it would bbe that challenging for
a big time veteran skier.  For us, however, it was perfect...especially since
we were there during there silver anniversary sale, with all day lift tickets
for $19.
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Beginning
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:15:04 GMT

In article <1340305@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com
(Glen Baker) writes:
> Have you ever noticed how much fun skiing is to people who are new to
> the sport? Have you ever noticed their enthusiasm when they complete
> their first top-to-bottom-without-a-fall run? 

I was chuckling thinking back to when I first learned how to ski.
But at the time, I don't recall the specific enthusiasm.  I think I was
too tired (after said no-fall run) [Warm Springs at Sun Valley (it was a
drought year)].

The first mistake was borrowing too long skis (economy move).  Fortunately,
Danny's girlfriend (now his wife) also thought Danny's idea of borrowing skis
was crazy (we had numerous crash and burns).  Sorest day of our lives.
Learned the value of hot tubs.  After one run we drove into town and rented
shorter skis (lesson one: don't learn from friends [unless they are
particularly good instructors]).

Second mistake was clothing.  I was okay, I had been climbing for 7 years
so I had no problems, but Barbara was steamed and cold.  She ultimately had
a good time.

What about you Glen?  Even ski patrolmen have to start some place. 8^)

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: "Resorts" was Steamboat
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:26:18 GMT

I hoped Utah would reinstitute Prohibition.

In article <1992Aug20.180034.16998@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com
(Grant Robinson) writes:
>Sure.  Let's start a "booze war" to complement the "drug war."  Police
>officers killed on the front lines, "fighting" the criminal element
>who would no doubt take over.  A lucrative business, that.

Our country should consist of a range of states where things like this
constitute the one extreme.  We could have another state where everything
goes, another state where alcohol is illegal but certain recreational
chemicals are (tested, certified, what have you), and you get your choice
to ski in each of these (under the influence).  Or, maybe we should have
the skiing under the influence again (and again and again).

HOWEVER, the totally dry state should be Utah.  Like its powder. 8^)
Must be consistent.

>Border patrols to combat smuggling, police search (and seizure) of cars
>found to be carrying even one can of beer! (you get the idea).
>Yes, happy times for all.  Hey, didn't they try this once?

Yes, and what's was interesting about this was that the vast majority of
Americans obeyed the law.  It's just your Constitution in action.

>>Good hardy family values people.
>Yes, repression always brings out the best in people. :)

Absolutely! 8^)  And we can have freedom fighters, and ....

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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From: klaus@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Klaus B. Biggers)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Keywords: boredom, random, bad food, california
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:57:46 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <1992Aug28.173100.12541@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:

chop, chop.

>More discussions about
>Apres Ski ala reading the Book of Mormon or perhaps listening to The Choir.

Apres Ski? I know, I know. (frantically waving hand with grin on face)
That's French right? Its French for "go to sleep", right?



-klaus                                              klaus@ced.utah.edu

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From: sriley@bbn.com (Sue Riley Hamilton)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Looking for ski house in greater bethel area
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:32:31 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: BBN Systems and Technologies Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

Folks,
	Despite the last few posts re: Sunday river ski area, I am
investigating the possibility of renting a ski house for a group for
this season. If any of you know of a place, please call or email me. 
I am interested houses (or condos...) which will sleep at least 6
people.  Houses which sleep more (up to 15?) are fine, too. The number
of people I involve will be a function of house and cost... It doesn't
need to be particularly fancy, must have a fireplace or wood buring stove, is
within 20 minutes or so of Sunday River, and has adequate parking.

Call Sue at (508)529-6536 home   (preferred)
	    (617)873-3436 work

or email sriley@bbn.com


Thanks!
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: brambo@twg.com
 (Mark Bramblett)
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Organization: The Wollongong Group (East Coast Operations)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 17:01:55 GMT

My wife and I went to park city last season.  We stayed in Park City, but 
skied 7 out of 10 days at snowbird and alta (it's worth the rental car).
Park city has some respectable slopes and the in-town chairlift is convenient.

Stay away from Deer Valley (about the only bumps it has is the gravel in 
the parking lot).

As for food...Stein Erickson's is good but very expensive.  On the 
otherhand their is a local brewery in Park City that servers great food and beer.  I believe it is called the Wasatch Pub.

Have fun,
                           Mark




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