HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Indian women and men
Date: 15 Oct 1992 21:20:02 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.140.191

  In article <1677@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:
  >There have been a number of posts on SCI dealing with 
  > a) Indian women prefer tall, dark, and handsome men,

	Would you rather prefer short, pale and ugly men ??  :-)

  > b) that Indian women like to be eve-teased, esp. the reference to movies 
  >  - the heroine invites or rather enjoys being teased by the hero, 
  > c) Indian women prefer American guys,
  > d) Why don't Indian women date Indian guys, sleep with them, etc.........
  > e) If it is *not* a love marriage then the Bride must bring a huge dowry 
  >    + be slim. fair, beautiful, intelligent, etc ........... and
  > f) If it is a love marriage, then the guy *would make a sacrifice* and 
  >    not ask for dowry,

  > It is pretty scary to note that this is the view held by a MAJORITY of 
  > Indian guys.   

	er......   I don't mean to be pedantic or anything,  but _even_if_
	there were articles on sci which said all these things, it would
	only be the views of guys on s.c.i...... How this can be extrapolated 
	into the "MAJORITY" of Indian guys would be a rather interesting 
	exercise.

	Secondly, maybe I missed some articles owing to the substantial
	kill file I have for sci, but did a netter or netters say all these
	things........ or is it your "creativity" that is responsible for
	these "hard-hitting facts", as the lady from AT&T(uk) puts it ??

  > It should be interesting to know `how you guys came up with such a view?'
  >Arathi

	Probably through the liberal use of gross generalization, a propensity 
	to make carefully selected facts suit their opinions, and a blindly 
	fanatical mind........ 

	........which, surprisingly is __EXACTLY__ the same way that some 
	women here came up with _their_ view of a sex-starved, eve-teasing, 
	mcp _Indian_ man....... 

	Prem!
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Pak Interference in Kerala (Was Islamic rebellion)
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:29:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bw8351.BzD
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

I am really intrigued by these recent postings that have appeared
regarding Pak presence in Kerala.

If any of this is true, it means that Pakistan has now started
fomenting trouble in the relatively peaceful and stable
south-india.

What should India do about  this. It is high time that India
wakes up and starts retalliating like the Isrealis. I say
that we should further strengthen ties with the Isrealis
and also teach Pak a solid lesson, if this keeps on going.

I am really tired of this unceasing Pak nitpicking with
India. Instead of concentrating on economic development
it is hell bent on harassing India and does not allow
us to progress.

I feel that the next time there is a war, we should take 
care of this once for all.

I've had enough

sivaram
Jai-Hind
From: thaya@cebez.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: )-: :-)
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:36:32 GMT
Followup-To: thaya@cebez.UUCP()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ

Message ID: 
Organization: Danish institute of technology
Keywords: code book change? 

In article <1992Oct8.153753.23105@ugle.unit.no> oh! writes:
>just only please thanks WHY???? vav! marvellous!!

bala,

did you change code book?
I deleted redundant, decoded. Can't understand last three messages.

your shipment not arrive. my shipment to jafna after your. yes.
From: ka@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk (Kalid Akhram (student-david;until 31/12/92))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Respect for women in India/Pakistan/An
Keywords: Distribution: world
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:41:39 GMT
Reply-To: ka@wan.inf.rl.ac.uk
Organization: SERC Rutherford Appleton Laboratories

>>  but he said something like : Convert the man to Islam.  If he refuses,
>>  he is your enemy. You can kill the man, plunder his wealth and take 
>>  his women   
>>
>>  If this is true, I am surprised that such conflicting ideas could be
>>  in one tome ?
>>
>>
>>  Surya Kavuri
>>
>>  Disclaimer:  The above opinion is Arun Shourie's.  Not mine.
>>   I remember that there were some Muslim students in the 
>>   audience.  None of them could refute his claims. 

Hi Surya,

Having read the Qur'an I can truely say that the views expressed by
Arun Shourie are not in the Qur'an. There is Qur'an, hadith and then
peoples own ideas about what Islam is; I believe Aruns fall into the
latter category. I need only quote one verse from the Qur'an:

"There shall be no compulsion in religion"

You cannot plunder anybodies wealth, nor "take" anybodies woman.
Remember, the ideal muslim's wealth is in the hereafter, not in
this world. If you look at the life of the prophet (pbuh) and that
of his companions (Abu Bakar, Umar etc) you will see that they *lived*
this ideal; didn't plunder or take.

The reason why the muslim students did not refute him were possibly
because:
1. they were too scared to.
2. They themselves had very little knowledge of Islam (the common case
nowadays) and therefore could not argue against him.

I *definitely* would have refuted him. In my two/three years of study
of Islam, the message that comes through is clear: tolerance, prepare
for the hereafter.

In Islam, non-muslims are given rights equal to muslims, a muslim man
cannot "take" ANY woman, muslim or not.
One is not allowed to force ones wife, children into Islam, let alone
non-muslims. We are allowed to tell them the message, whether they
follow it or not is their business.

Khalid
ka@uk.ac.rl.inf
From: txd6871@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: 48 HRS AT QUEBEC-BEWARE
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:17:59 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Hi Folks,

From Oct 1, 1992, Quebec Consulate has changed it's policy
regarding H1 Visas. It will now take minimum 48 hrs for 
processing. i.e..if you go on some Monday, you'll get the visa on 
wednesday. The first day, they will only take the passport and H1,
and interview if they have time. Next working day, you've to come 
for the final processing/interview and pick up the visa, if processed.

So it's not cool anymore. So BEWARE. Tell your office that you'll be
wasting 3-4 days, before you start, otherwise lot of trouble.

You cannot even come back for a day, since the passport and I-94
is with them..( don't even try that )

-TD
From: partha@paul.rutgers.edu (the_tramp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Respect for women in India/Pakistan/An
Keywords: Distribution: world
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:59:00 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I am very willing to believe what khalid has said.
And I readily admit that my understanding (if i may say so)
of Islam comes NOT  from reading Quran, rather reading other books and
from experience with people.

I would like to take this opportunity to ask Khalid a few questions
for my personal clarification:
(P-L-E-A-S-E.. i am not saying this religion is bad or that is better,
hope my muslim brothers and sisters wont think my queries derogetory,
i do not know much and that is why i am asking.)

1.Does the concept of 'kafir'  have any basis in Islam?
  (I am willing to believe that in the days of Crusade it might have
had some justification)

2. Aurangzeb (believed to be a 'religious' person) used to force 
   'jijia' tax on non muslims, do this kind of acts  have any
basis/support  in true Islam? (i am asking becuase the badshah is
belived to take credit as a Muslim for doing this!!!) 
(Again this might have had a justification when Islam was fighting its
battle for survival in the deserts)

3.Talaq: there is a myth about it.Do Islam really give the husband
to leave his wife by just saying talaq three times??(I earnestly
believe that it is not so simple and before a talaq many things have
to be and IS  considered, but in todays world dont you agree that it
is certain kind of bias in favor of men?)

4. Polygamy:there may be a very good reason for that in the past.But
now I dont see any basis of it to exist. In oil rich countries they
can afford it (no matter how derogatory and exploiting it is towards
women) but in Indian subcontinent(bangladesh?, India(not sure)) this
may have a link to the population problem.

5. I am willing to believe that Islam does not have anything to say
against non-abortive birth control. But dont know for sure and doesn't
look likely and i have heard people using Islam as and argument for
not doing birth control.

6. The 'Purdah': i do not know if muslim women feel bad about it or
not. But do we need it today? (Again in the past there may be some
justification to this). Does Islam force women to hide her face /even
her hair in the 'Burkha'???? I dont really know the place of women in
Islam, i heard contradictory ideas.


And finally if these are not supported by true Islam,
why people are still practicing it?(I know there are many modern
enlightened Muslims who do not practice these, but in general..
any movement to review and reevaluate the practice?)

Thanks to anyone who answers me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: S.P.Pandey@massey.ac.nz (S.P. Pandey)
Subject: info needed re Newport Uni, California
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 01:56:08 GMT


Hi Netters,

Could someone please give me some information about a Correspondance
/Independent study of MBA offered by Newport University, California
through Training and Advanced Studies in Management and Communications
(TASMAC) (recognised study centre of Newport University, California)
situated at C-2, Shardaram Park, 37/37_A, Sasson Road, Pune - 411 001.

All I want to know (for a friend of mine in India) is the legality and
the status of this university course in India and the US.

Thanks in advance.

Surya

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From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Looking for Hindi font for Mac/IBM PC
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:23:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

rsahu@triton.unm.edu (Raikanta Sahu)
writes on soc.culture.indian:

)	Does anybody know any place from where I can get Hindi fonts for
)use in the Mac/IBM PC ?

This hopefully should answer any questions on fonts/ftp stuff...

I haven't seen any major additions to the list I posted sometime back.
The list consists of all files known to Archie. It was forwarded to
comp.archives. You can find it as "listing-of-resources-on-the-internet"
on the following sites... If you happen to find any interesting things
not in the list I would be happy to know.

The interesting  addition is nic.funet.fi: /pub/culture/music (???).
It has the whole RMIM and RMIC archives. I usually check before I post
but nic.funet.fi is too overloaded these days that I couldn't get in.

cs.dal.ca /pub/comp.archives/soc.culture.indian/
srawgw.sra.co.jp /.a/sranha-bp/arch/arch/comp.archives/auto/soc.culture.indian/
src.doc.ic.ac.uk /usenet/comp.archives/auto/soc.culture.indian/
van-bc.wimsey.bc.ca /usenet/comp.archives/auto/soc.culture.indian/

Do a cd to the directory and do "dir" to see what interests you. The
filename that I specified may be different at some of the above sites.
As always please be a good net.citizen and use the nearest ftp site (netwise)
containing the stuff you want. 

Ask your system administrator if in doubt.

)	-sahu,r

Sridhar.
From: lal@cs.arizona.edu (The Morning Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Can a girl and a guy be just friends
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:30:52 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

you left me
i left you
i dont remember
my sweet
only the taste
candy
baby
I dont remember
you
at all

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: wallace@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ranger)
Subject: wanted:Indian female for penpal
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:50:39 GMT


Looking for an Indian female to be penpals with
		      
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: golconda@rtsg.mot.com (John R. Golconda)
Subject: Bridegroom wanted
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:38:22 GMT

A beautiful Christian woman in her late twenties is looking
to marry a Christian man in late twenties or early twenties.

She is a permanent resident and is currently working for
a brokerage firm in the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

If interested, please e-mail and I will forward the
message.

John Golconda
(golconda@green.rtsg.mot.com 
          -or-
 golcond@eero.rtsg.mot.com)
From: txd6871@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: SOCIAL SEC. TAX ON F1/PRE/POST-TRAINING
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:07:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: tesla.1992Oct16.160727.1
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Hi Netters,

As I know that students, I mean in F1 status, when working as a co-op, or
pre-completion or post-completion, are not supposed to pay Social security
tax. Most of the companies don't know this, and they deduct it from every
paycheck, since their payroll program is standard for all employees.

But how can you get that money back? If you deduct it during filing of taxes,
IRS doesn't take care of that and asks for a penalty for not filing 
properly.

Does anybody has some experience to recover the money from social
security administration?

Thanx

TD
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sunder@gershwin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:08:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: roundup.1bfabmINNs7k
Distribution: world
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: gershwin.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <anand.718910277@cds705>, anand@Cadence.COM (Anand Bemra) writes:
|> jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
|> 
|> >I think I can agree with all that Brijnandan S. Dehiya posts.  I didn't
|> >know that the British ban on sati was instigated by Indian reformers.
|> >I didn't even realize there were Indian reformers so early.
|> 
|> >John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
|> 
|> Imagine his surprise. You mean the indians actually had a culture going
|> before the British came.


|> Based on his previous postings on the net, what we have here, Ladies
|> and Gentlemen, is yet another Joachim Martillo. This one disguises as 
|> a professor at a university.

That was uncalled for, IMHO. From what I have seen of
Prof. McCarthy's posts, on this newsgroup and others, there is 
little to support your reference to him as another Martillo.

|> anand 'Be wary of guys in three piece suits.'

-srinivas "Be-wary-of-PC-types-who-ask-you-to-be-wary-of-guys-in-3pc-suit"




-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised, er.. well, not this
time.
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From: gupta@orion.oac.uci.edu (Mohan Gupta)
Subject: DELHI UNIVERSITY STUDENTS' DIRECTORY ... BE A PART OF IT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:49:12 GMT
Distribution: usa


Hi Friends:
 
NOTE: THIS MAIL IS ONLY MEANT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO MY
      PREVIOUS POSTING ON THE NET.

I am trying to compile a list of DU students and so far the present list
contains over 110 responses and the very first version of this list has
been forwarded to all the individuals. To update this list, it will be nice if
you give the information about yourself in the following order:
			
			NAME
			COLLEGE AT D.U.
			MAJOR AT D.U.
			YEAR OF GRADUATION AT D.U.
                        HIGHEST DEGREE EARNED FROM D.U.
			ARRIVAL YEAR IN U.S.
			PRESENT OCCUPATION
                        PRESENT UNIVERSITY
                        PRESENT MAJOR/FIELD
         		PRESENT ADDRESS
			PHONE NUMBER
			E-MAIL ADDRESS


You can also add other additional informations. Please send your e-mail to

       gupta@orion.oac.uci.edu

As soon as I start getting the new responses, I will update the list and send
a copy of it to you. I hope this will help in maintaining the contacts with 
the old and new friends.


Thanks in advance for taking your time.



mohan gupta






Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Subject: Re: Fall in India
Reply-To: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre, Munich
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:36:24 GMT

In article <RAVISHAN.92Oct14134616@swan.wesleyan.edu> ravishan@swan.wesleyan.edu (Ganesan Ravishanker) writes:
>
>We got into an interesting discussion on how the Fall colors are so
>beautiful in New England and all that and we were interested in knowing if
>anything of this sorts exists in any part of India. I have not travelled
>much in India except the South (where seasons are hardly distinguishable),
>so I am ignorant about the other parts of India. I would love to hear from
>anyone who has seen or heard about it. Thanks in advance.

The New England Fall colours are very pretty, but not as diverse as those
in the Finger Lakes region of New York (more kinds of trees there).  Yes,
you can see Fall colours in India -- the flaming Chinars of Kashmir are
famous.  Incidentally, Sheikh Abdullah's autobiography is called "Aatish-
e-Chinar".  October, I believe, is the right time.  I wonder if there is
something comparable in Himachal or in Garhwal.

I'm sure I have enraged many by the previous paragraph  -- one lot by
suggesting that the Valley of Kashmir is in India, and another by mentioning
Sheikh Abdullah's name... Okay enough troublemaking -- does anyone remember
a brand of cigarettes called Chinar?  Is this brand still available?

-- Sanjiva


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From: vikc@digital.sps.mot.com (Vikrant Chaudhry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: NARMADA - WB defers decision till ...
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:45:02 GMT
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ

In article <oeojLd600WB984IHpt@andrew.cmu.edu> sudha+@CMU.EDU (Sudha Neelakantan) writes:
>
>Its also fact that of the money invested in these development projects
>anywhere from 30 to 50% goes into the pockets of the few contractors
>etcas graft.
>also i don't see why we shouldn't learn from history -- there is no
>need for us to repeat the west's mistakes.  just because they did the
>same things 20 years ago or 50 years ago and we can now see the bad as
>well as good results doesn't mean that we should do the same things.
>I will repeat the Pugwash motto
>Learn to think in a new way.
>we can find other solutions for drought than white elephant dams.
>we might actually avoid some of the more unpleasant consequences of
>blindly following "western gurus" with a little forethought.
>
>Sudha
>

Agreed ! Even if the money goes into some pockets, the bottom line is
weither the projects help the nations progress or not. No one has
put forth a more cost efficient alternative ( or I havn't heard about
it yet, excepts K P Singhdeo's suggestion to build the smaller dams
first). I agree that we should learn lessons from west's mistake,
but at the same time we should also keep in mind that for progress
we do need to pay a price. Knowing west's experience, it's upto us
to decide how much price is fair.

I would love to see a greener world, but just because some so called 
western pundits say that NVP is a disaster, I won't start protesting.
The issue needs to be debated at more length and pros and cons balanced
on a public forum, not here, but in the Narmada Valley !



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: b2259@moncol.monmouth.edu (RANI BALASUBRAMANYAM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.indian.american,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: The Learning Process : The Mitya Inst. of Learning
Keywords: Learning, Mithya
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:34:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian


Hi Friends,
	About two months ago, I read an article in "India Currents"
about Prasad Kaipa.  He is a true Pioneer.  This article was very 
inspiring.  Prasad Kaipa has started an institute called "The Mithya
Institute of Learning".  He is exploring on one of the most fascinating
subjects, "THE LEARNING PROCESS".  He describes five stages of in the 
process of learning.  The concept is not necessarily for technical 
skills only, but also the more fundamental yet most complex
aspect of "Learnig about one self".  

	Prasad worked with Apple for a long time, before he started on
the institute.  He is originally from IIT Madras (Physics).  

	If you are interested, you could contact him on 
Pkaipa@IGC.Org

	For those who would like to discuss the subject, please post 
your article in this News Group.  If we have many interested minds,
we could start a Mailing List to make the discussion more interesting.
		!!!!!!!! GOOD LUCK !!!!!!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:33611 soc.culture.indian.telugu:513
From: reddy@cis.njit.edu (Kishore P. Reddy [RA])
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Looking 4: Satish K. Reddy (In Canada) (From Secunderabad)
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:16:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <1banoiINNrvl@bigboote.WPI.EDU> dxn@juniper.WPI.EDU (Deepak Narain) writes:
>From reddy@cis.njit.edu (reddy):
>>
>>
>>	Hi()
>>	{
>>	if (you know a guy named, Satish K. Reddy (Tall, Slim) who is supposed 
>>	    2 be in CANADA. And he is from Secunderabad, AP, India..)
>>
>>	then (Please inform me : Just type "r" to reply, Thanx!!)
>>
>>	else (Please ignore)
>>	};
>
>>#include "std_disclaimer.h"
>
>
>I had to compile this post to see what happened.  Here's the 
>output from gcc:
>
>-----
>Script started on Sun Oct 11 22:21:02 1992
>junk-box% gcc -c junk.c
>junk.c:10: std_disclaimer.h: No such file or directory
>junk.c: In function `Hi':
>junk.c:3: `you' undeclared (first use this function)
>junk.c:3: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
>junk.c:3: for each function it appears in.)
>junk.c:3: parse error before `know'
>junk.c:4: parse error at `..'
>junk-box% exit
>exit
>
>script done on Sun Oct 11 22:21:42 1992
>-----

	This is not "C" Language.. It's "E"


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