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From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: manslaughter
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:43:42 GMT

Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Friends, 
>                       In the past I didn't want to comment on  young
>Yoshi  because  his family is in deep mourning, This is the second time
>that I have known of this happening and I wanted to see if there was
>going to be an attempt to serve justice. As I've told you before, I have
>no doubt this is a hate /murder
>crime.  I also read the article in USA TODAY about  the
>murderer(accused).  Mainly, you netter have been true true to the nature
>of this article save the fact that the murderer is remorseful-but,  I'll
>talk about this later. What really convinced me that it is a hate crime
>is the age of the killer. He's only thirdy. Believe me my fellow
>counrtymen at this age in America a person knows who can understand
>english, who is the alien and the hate that is intented towards
>internationals especially those from Asian. Do you see how this age
>group is treating Asians and Gypies
>in Germany?  Do you think hate and rasism has a specific counrty? Killing
>motivated by racial hate has been on the rise in America for the pasttwo
>or three years. Don't let some people convince you this is a gun issue
>only or who could understand freeze and who can't. 

>                                                                        
>         I didn't want to do this but fu*k 
>it  I'm Japanese also.  Well I'll finish later. I have to go now.


Mr Asano 

  There have been some very racist posts made to S.C.J over the past six
months, but no person has demonstrated the level of intolerance , xenophobia,
and racism that you demonstrate on a regular basis. I honestly do not 
understand how you can bear to look in the mirror after posting some of
this hate filled trash. It is obvious from your patronizing and condescending
manner , that even those minorities that you pretend to feel solidarity with,
you still fail to respect.

  Now you are using the tragic death of a young boy to try to incite even
more intolerance and racism.

I am disgusted!

My apologies to the rest of the group for this outburst. 


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Charlie 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 12:34:57 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: manslaughter
Distribution: soc

Friends, 
                       In the past I didn't want to comment on  young
Yoshi  because  his family is in deep mourning, This is the second time
that I have known of this happening and I wanted to see if there was
going to be an attempt to serve justice. As I've told you before, I have
no doubt this is a hate /murder
crime.  I also read the article in USA TODAY about  the
murderer(accused).  Mainly, you netter have been true true to the nature
of this article save the fact that the murderer is remorseful-but,  I'll
talk about this later. What really convinced me that it is a hate crime
is the age of the killer. He's only thirdy. Believe me my fellow
counrtymen at this age in America a person knows who can understand
english, who is the alien and the hate that is intented towards
internationals especially those from Asian. Do you see how this age
group is treating Asians and Gypies
in Germany?  Do you think hate and rasism has a specific counrty? Killing
motivated by racial hate has been on the rise in America for the pasttwo
or three years. Don't let some people convince you this is a gun issue
only or who could understand freeze and who can't. 

                                                                        
         I didn't want to do this but fu*k 
it  I'm Japanese also.  Well I'll finish later. I have to go now.
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Splitting soc.culture.japan
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:07:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: leland.1992Nov11.060720.13170
Distribution: na
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold

In article <cTq2TB5w165w@student.business.uwo.ca>
k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca (Kentaro Nakamichi) writes:
>...I would, however, like to be much 
>better informed about current events in Japan and am always disappointed 
>that headlines from the papers or other current issues are not discussed 
>in as much detail as I'd like to have.  Just my 2 yen :-)

Mr. Nakamichi should try reading the "Economist".  It's certainly costs
more than 2 yen, but if you have the money, the magazine is well worth it.
It frequently publishes interesting articles about Japan, that are usually
sprinkled with a bit of wry humor.

I have never known the "Economist" to be incorrect in any of its reporting
about Japanese society.  "Fortune" is, however, another story.

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From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese exchange student killed in Louisiana...
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:44:38 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <23893@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, root@lyra.scg.hac.com 
(Dave Fisher) writes:

=> The individual ownership of guns in the U.S. helps to protect the
=> country from the threat of tyrannical government.  Of course, it does 
=> not protect us from the slow political erosion of our constitutional 
=> rights. That battle must be fought with words and votes.

This argument always cracks me up. On the one hand, people purport
such great faith in the second amendment as a means of insuring
defense against a tyrannical government, which implies little
or no faith in the rest of the Constitution and Bill of Rights
as a structure which insures that their government will not be
tyrannical due to it's very definition.

Secondly, when people interpret the second amendment in such a
broad fashion and establish, in their view, a "well-regulated"
militia for defense against a tyrannical government - as 
in Idaho recently - the government hunts them down like rabid
dogs, and no one bats an eye.

The LA riots were an uprising against what the rioters viewed
as a tyrannical government that discarded justice because of
political expediency. When you support the concept of keeping
guns to overthrow a tyrannical government, please remember that
tyranny is in the eyes of the beholder, and in this day and
age, what you are supporting is anarchy, not justice.

- Bill Lambert
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Slow News Day on "Today's Japan"
Keywords: balding
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:25:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov6.162527.5015
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

It must have been a slow news day yesterday on "Today's Japan".
They had an extended segment on treatment for baldness.  They
said various potions and hair-growing clinics were BIG business.

An especially touching moment of the segment was an otou-san (dad)
who was visiting one of the clinic because his little daughter
didn't want to hang around with a baldy daddy.  "Kanashii yara,
okashii yara" ("I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry")

My question is this: Isn't there a law against false claims
(advertisement) in Japan?  I mean, obviously these things don't 
actually work ...

On a related note, I heard that sumo wrestlers must retire when 
they can no longer tie a top-knot due to hair loss.  "Hair Club
for Men" cannot save a balding sumo wrestler.

# Watashi ha ke ga juubun arimasu ... mada.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Looking for sources
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:24:10 GMT

In article <SMITTIE.92Nov6130339@tui.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>My apologies to all for interrupting the current flame wars.
>
>I remember reading sometime ago about a study, done in Japan, that supposedly
>found that Japanese could not properly digest beef because their intestines
>were shorter than other people. In the same vein I have heard mention of other
>studies which have found, among other things, that the Japanese were uniquely
>equipped to speak the Japanese language because differences in physiological
>makeup.
>
>I would like to find English language documentation on these kinds of theories.
>If anyone could provided references I would be grateful.

For the beef studies: Chairman of agricultural co-ops, Iwamochi Shizuma stated
"everyone knows that Japanese intestines are about one metre longer than 
those of foreigners" (of course, this should make beef EASIER to digest). 
Also, Hata Tsutomu, head of LDP's ag research policies alluded to this. 
Iwamochi spoke to the Foreign Correspondants' Club of Japan, May 19, 1982. 
Also see 'Nationalism of the Long Intestine', Japan Times, Feb 15, 1988.

For the physiological differences in the brain, see 'The left cerebral 
hemisphere of the brain and the Japanese language', _Japan Foundation 
Newsletter_, April-May 1978, Tsunoda Tanobu.

Mike
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:10253 talk.politics.guns:23672
From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: A Japanese student killed in Lousiana
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:32:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BxBD5t.En9
Organization: Indiana University

In article <Bx9xy3.KuH@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>In article <Bx8sts.G38@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves) writes:
>>In article <Bx7xpM.FJr@ncifcrf.gov> masuda@fcs280b.ncifcrf.gov (Michiaki Masuda) writes:
>
>>> What prevents people from defending themselves? 
>
>>Restrictions on gun ownership.
>
>  Would you be more specific?

If you want specific I'll go with this.  A restriction on gun
ownership will prevent a person who is unable to otherwise defend
themself from defending themself.  Such a person may be a person with
a disability, a physically weak person, etc.
I don't want to get that specific however.  Gun restrictions seriously
impair a comprehensive self defense plan, they reduce it's
flexibility, and they reduce its effectiveness in many given
situations.  Gun restrictions are a large step in making a populace of
sheep.  


Punish those who actually do wrong, don't put restrictions on people
just because they *might* do wrong.  Especially don't put restrictions
on their ability to reasonably defend themselves, because you cannot
guarantee their safety.  Just as an exercise in thought, who has more
to lose if you get killed, you or the people who are supposed to
protect you?



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp (Daisaku Itasaka)
Subject: Re: call for a new newsgroup
Organization: NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd., Tokyo, Japan
Distribution: world 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:03:01 GMT

In article <kf08_6a00iV3A_Dq1J@andrew.cmu.edu>
	Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Mr. Itasaka,
>	....[all deleted]

I have nothing to say but "I have nothing to say."

A news group is not at all the place you can show your private mail.
If you wanna tell somebody something, use email please.

I am embarrassed to mention this, but I strongly hope that the system-
administrator in C.M. suggests users of his machines about what kind of
thing a news group properly is, and does something appropriate on ones
who made bad use of news groups.

-- 
A wrong guy in a wrong place at wrong time...
						 Daisaku Itasaka
				      d-itasak@nmit.mt.nec.co.jp
				NEC Microcomputer Technology Ltd.
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Happy Birthday in English
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:50:48 GMT
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University


	I've noticed that a number of families will sing
Happy Birthday in  English, phonetically if they don't speak
the language. Isn't there either a translation of the song
or some traditional song to take it's place?

---
memco@wotan.cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Please give your opinions...
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:38:27 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

>       I HATE being called "gaijin-san". How would you like being
>called "Mr. Japanese", or "Mr. Alien"? It's the same thing.

With all due respect to Maiko, this analogy is not accurate. Gaijin is
traditionally translated as foreigner. Foreigner, according to Webster's
Collegiate Thesaurus, has the following synonyms:

stranger, alien, auslander, inconnu, outcomer, outlander, outsider

From this we can concluded that while "Mr. Alien" would be an accurate
translation of "gaijin-san," "Mr. Japanese" would not. Moreover, this analogy
exploits differences in language constructs. Attaching "san" to a word such as
"gaijin" is a relatively common practice in Japanese and as such, makes sense.
But when we transliterate the term to "Mr. Alien" the result is awkward and
largely without foundation.

I do not agree with the premise that if I think a word sounds bad I can then
infer inherent malice whenever it is used. The reason that words like "nigger"
are relegated to the classification of racist terms is that at one time there
was universal malicuous intent. That is to say, everytime the word "nigger" was
used the speaker intended to infer malice. Such is not the case with gaijin.

smittie 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: bam@bnr.ca (Bruce Matsugu 1629654)
Subject: Re: internment camps
Organization: bnr
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:00:07 GMT


Another book on the internment of people of Japanese
cultural origin during WWII is "Bittersweet Passage" by
Maryka Omatsu. It describes the Canadian experience of
the Japanese living on the west coast of British Columbia
before WWII and also the steps leading up to the 1988
redress compensation to the Japanese-Canadians by the
Canadian Government.  The story is told from a personal
perspective by author who both endured the internment and
participated in the redress.

[Unlike the U.S. situation, Japanese-Canadians had their
property sold off by the MacKenzie-King government of the
time. The Canadian internment camps had kilometres of wilderness
to substitute for the barbed wire of the American camps. ]

---
Bruce Matsugu   --- my submissions are my opinions; BNR and NT are innocent!
Bell Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
---
From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Yoshi Hattori
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:54:38 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <Bx8HBy.3E5@world.std.com>, cmr@world.std.com 
(Charles M Richmond) writes:
=> The death of this young man is a true tragedy, which is exasperated by the
=> distortions, lies, misunderstandings and racism that has been expressed by
=> various persons posting articles. There are many things that we do not know
=> about this tragedy and a few things that we do know....

<7 point list omitted>

=> If you are responding to items 1 , 2 or 7 ; respond here. If to items 3-6
=> please post to talk.politics.guns. I will not respond to any future discussion
=> of gun control on soc.culture.japan.  

I don't agree that the gun control issue itself is outside the realm
of this newsgroup, at least for the time being. There has been some
exchange about the differences of thinking between Japanese and
Americans about the issue. As the press and politicians in Japan
(and the Hattori family) call for restrictions on handguns because
of the Hattori incident, discussion of such restrictions in my view
are indeed relevant. Most importantly, it seems constructive to have
our many Japanese readers exposed to the mentality of the pro-gun
folks, and even some of the racist comments that have accompanied
their arguments. As we argue, I'm sure some valuable education is
imparted. Perhaps similar incidents might be avoided. Let it run
it's course.

It's probably true that little if any common ground can be found
among the pro and anti gun control people, but even so, as related
to the Hattori killing it deserves airing out. The sub-thread is
"what can we do to prevent such incidents in the future", and does
validly cross the boundary into the gun control issue in large part.

- Bill
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: REPOST: Japanese Major Suggests Military Coup:Your Opinion?
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:46:21 GMT

In article <1dkv7oINNj3t@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:
>In article <1992Oct29.203622.9892@cmcl2.nyu.edu> memco@cns.nyu.edu writes:
>>	As reported in the NY Times of Friday, Oct 16, Major Shinsaku Yanai
>>wrote an article in the Shukan Bunshun discussing his
>>belief that the military should depose the civilian Government,
>>much as the Imperial Army did in the 1930's, because of the 
>>continuing scandals of the ruling party.
>
>Is Major Yanai a retired JSDF officer?  If he is currently commisionned
>in JSDF, his public experession of his belief seriously contradicts 
>with his duty, as a public servant, to observe the Japanese Constitution.
>In any case, Prime Minister Miyazawa, the commander-in-chief of JSDF,
>should decide whether Mr. Yanai is fit to remain in a post whose
>duty is to "defend" the constitution while openly advocating to
>"ignore" it. In my opinion, Mr. Yanai should be fired at once so
>that he could excercise his right of free speech without any further
>conflict with his current duty. :)

The problem of course, is that the JSDF HAS no constitutional role, so far as
I know. In fact, I am not really certain exactly who is the nominal commander
of the Jieitai. So, if Mjr Yanai is supposed to defend the constitution, he
should be calling for the dissolution of the JSDF! If he calls for an overthrow
of the elected government, what articles has he violated (in Japan)? He may
not be guilty of anything, really, other than stupidity, but that's not a
crime anywhere in the world.

Mike
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From: shimizun@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Testing 
Date: 13 Nov 92 10:06:35 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

testingIn article <1992Nov13.100054.12988@topaz.ucq.edu.au>, shimizun@topaz.ucq.edu.au writes:
> Testing
> Sorry to disturb you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: IYI4DTN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Gann Matsuda)
Subject: Re: internment camps
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:38:51 PST

In article <1992Nov12.070700.9518@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, on 12 Nov 1992 07:07:00 GMT,
huson@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Mark Huson) writes:

<irrelevant items deleted>

>From what I've read, there were no "lynchings", the exclusion was a response
>to a perceived threat of sabotage, the racist view that ties to Japan were
>stronger than ties to this country (possibly true for some of the "aliens",
>but they were denied citizenship, and probably loved their adopted country
>much the same as European immigrants), and the media propoganda published
>by Hearst newspapers in California.
>
Mark--

You are correct in that there were no "lynchings" or mobs attacking
Japanese American groups.  There were isolated incidents, however.

Your statement that the internment was due to a "...perceived threat of
sabotage" is partially correct.  The general public was MISLEAD and
MISINFORMED by the highest officials of our government and military
into thinking that Japanese Americans were a threat to national
security.

What was "...the best kept secret during the war" was a report by
Curtis B. Munson, a special State Department official who performed an
exhaustive study on the Japanese American people in Hawaii and the West
Coast in October and November, 1941.  His report determined that "there
is no Japanese problem."  According to Michi Nishiura Weglyn, author of
YEARS OF INFAMY, the Munson Report "...certified a remarkable, even
extraordinary degree of loyalty among this generally suspect ethnic
group."  The Munson Report also corroborated FBI and military
intelligence reports that the Japanese American community posed no
threat to national security.

This report was suppressed by Roosevelt Adminisration officials through
the duration of the war.  But evidence indicates that the Munson Report
was shared by the State, War and Navy Departments, not to mention
President Roosevelt.  However, it was Cordell Hull, Henry L. Stimson
and Frank Knox, the Secretaries of State, War and the Navy,
respectively, who were the chief supporters of the internment.  Knox
went so far as to make ludicrous charges that Japanese Americans in
Hawaii had cut huge directional arrows in sugar cane fields, pointing
toward Pearl Harbor (Knox was covering his ass--he was taking a lot of
heat for "letting his guard down" in the attack on Pearl Harbor).

Therefore, the government, at its highest levels knew that the Japanese
American communtiy posed no threat to national security and had
evidence to prove it.  However, they did it anyway, and used the media
to whip up hysteria with false charges of espionage, sabotage and
subversive activities.  Thus, the "perceived threat" you mention is
correct, but it is extremely important to know why ANY threat was
perceived at all.

Gann Matsuda
Coordinator
50th Anniversary of Japanese American Internment Project
UCLA Asian American Studies Center
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,talk.politics.guns