From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)
Subject: Re: Great Proposal !
Organization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: 12 Oct 92 02:57:54 GMT

ebolog@elaine.ee.und.ac.za (EDWIN BOLOGNA : THIRD) writes:

>In article <1992Oct06.134011.16927@bnr.ca> bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:

>>In article <ebolog.10@elaine.ee.und.ac.za>, ebolog@elaine.ee.und.ac.za
>>(EDWIN BOLOGNA : THIRD) writes:
>>|>
>>|>Atheists are always saying that God does not exist and laugh away any proof 
>>|>Christians use to prove His existence.
>>|>
>>|>So here is my proposal : You prove to us that God does not exist!
>>|>
>>|>And please don't use your usual irrational logic and childish insults!
>>|>
>>|>Please post your replies so that other people may also read them or if you 
>>|>feel embarassed mail it directly to us at (TJOHN@ELAINE.EE.UND.AC.ZA).
>>                                      ^^
>>|>
>>|>Many Thanks for any logical and well thought out arguments.
>>|>
>>|>      Cheers from E.B.
>>              
>>The difficulty in proving that God does not exist is usually in the
>>vague definition
>>of God.  Are you refering to the possability of ANY diety, or  do you
>>have a religion
>>in mind?  Atheist's tend to put the burden of proof on the believers,
>>and this makes 
>>sense:  YOU are asserting an idea (God), so YOU should show it is true.
>>God is not taken as a "given fact" that people must come up with a way
>>to reject.
>>People are not responsible for "disproving" things that are not known by
>>the senses
>>(dieties, UFOs, ghosts, sub-atomic particles, black holes, etc).
>>Most athiests feel that God does not exist because the proofs are invalid
>>(see COLD FUSION).
>>My philosophy class went over several proofs for and against the
>>existance of God,
>>and we went through each one and tore them to shreads.  If a "proof"
>>existed either
>>way, the opposing side would be a lot smaller than it is today.

>Well God did provide us with a manual that tells us a lot about how we came 
>to be and got to what we are today - yes you guessed it, its the Bible.

This is an unprovable conjecture. Many books claim to be divinely inspired
(i.e. written by the true God or Gods). Who is to say which is (if any) the
real thing? The content of such books do not allow (in most cases) the
possibility that a deity or deities inspired this book and went on to
inspire others. Therefore prove that God had anything to do with the
production of the Bible before using it as reference for further proofs (by
the way if you do prove such a thing you will become possibly the most
famous and influencial person in our recent history)

>Now the Christians have proof that He exists, do you have proof that he 
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Which Christians, where, what evidence? Certainly none of the fundamentalist
contributors to this newsgroup have any proof (they may have thought they
had before receiving replies to their posts), certainly no Christian to my
knowledge has such proof. I'm pretty sure none have because as I said before
if someone had proof of God's existence (which I think we've shown is
impossible even if he/she/it/they did exist) they would be world famous and
I'm sure to have heard of them.
>doesn't - or are you just saying He doesn't because you can not see Him.

>You cannot possibly tell me that you do not believe in something just 
>because you do not understand it! If you are saying that you would have not 
>believed a computer, TV, satelites, etc. existed.

We beleive in may things we don't understand. I beleive my car will start in
the morning though I could not tell you how, I beleive that chlorophyl produces
organic compounds from inorganic constituents and sunlight but I do not know
how, I beleive that ignorance causes deification , but I do not know how!

Jeff.
Please ignore the joke at your expense if you understood it.