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From: nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico de Vries.)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Why go to 3.1 if 2.0 works
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:02:02 GMT
Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht

In <moore.703184477@pv34c1.vincent.iastate.edu> moore@iastate.edu (Brian J Moore) writes:

>In <2377@accucx.cc.ruu.nl> nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico de Vries.) writes:

>>In <44908@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> sexonbd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Benjamin David Sexson (Ben)) writes:

>>>He has a good question.  Which is better Windows 3.1 and DOS 5.0
>>>or OS/2 2.0.  OS/2 has many advantages from what I know, but Windows
>>>has the Apps behind it.  My question is when will someone make an OS

>>Which apps? OS/2 does run all existing apps.

>How many are 32-bit?

The point I tried to make is that OS/2 already runs most Windows apps and
that the "Windows has the Apps behind it" statement is therefore not correct
since "OS/2 does run all existing apps".

Beyond that OS/2 is capable of running OS/2 1.3 apps of which many are available
NOW and OS/2 2.0 native mode apps of which few are available NOW (Describe,
Watcom C 9.0) and many will follow (Lotus, Borland, Wordperfect etc).

Those apps will run only in native mode (about 50-100% faster than their
16 bit equivalents).

Since OS/2 can run almost all Windows apps (including in a few week all
3.1 apps!) there are much more apps running under OS/2 than under any other
OS. And don't forget OS/2 is in many respects faster than Windows 3.1. Scrolling
of text inside windows for example is about 5 times faster on the same machine
(seamless windows mode). On some area's 3.1 is up to 10% faster but when
the 32bit graphical kernel is release (like the Windows 3.1 support etc free
for OS/2 owners) OS/2 will be faster in all area's. Not to mention that
OS/2 SuperFAT and HPFS file systems do magic for all disk intensive
software already.

>>>					Ben Sexson


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From: skelly@bucknell.edu (sean kelly `94)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 Resource Kit - is this useful?
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:12:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pa.

In article <1992Apr13.181441.6133@sequent.com>, rbk@sequent.com (Bob Beck) writes:
> "Windows 3.1
> Resource Kit" for $19.95 plus shipping/etc.  Does anyone have this and/or can
> comment on it - is this useful?  What's in it?  Is it worth $19.95 +
> shipping?
I don't know if I'm right, but I was ont the MS BBS yesterday and I saw the Win3.1 Resource Kit as an available download.  Maybe MS figures the huge amount of time it would take to download (2 megs or something like that) wouldn't make it worth it.  Or maybe they just presume that not many people will be calling their BBS.  Any feedback?

-Sean
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: dew@turing.acs.virginia.edu (David E. Watson)
Subject: Re: When DR scams, it's ok?  Was Re: Win3.1/DR DOS 6.0/SuperS...
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:53:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.215500.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> jgarland@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>In article <11320@mindlink.bc.ca>, Robert_Salesas@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Salesas) writes:
>>> David E. Watson writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I found out that the version of SuperStor that comes with DR-DOS was crippled
>>> to only work with DR-DOS.  The SuperStor driver will not recongnize another
>>> operating system.  
>etc....
>> 
>> 
>> Interesting.  I hope MS bashers take note.  While all the claims that MS
>> "cheats" by placing code to check for OS/2 or DR-DOS, have been unfounded, DR
>> plainly admits that it limits components of it's DOS to only work with itself.
>> How many people are going to condem DR for doing that?  How many would if it
>> was MS ...
>
>
>Question:  Was it DRI or Addstor that insisted on these terms (or 
>both)?  I sure don't know.  My guess is Addstor may have had something 
>to say about how their technology was licensed (just as Stac probably will 
>if/when they licence theirs to MS as some rumors say they're going to.
>

Hmmmmmm... since I originated the above post, let me clarify my
intent.  I was not bashing DR or AddStor.  I was mearly trying to make
anyone who was thinking of switching from DR-DOS to MS-DOS and thought
the SuperStor drive created with version 1.3 (bundled with DR-DOS 6.0)
aware that the SuperStor driver for that version would not read the
SuperStor drive under MS-DOS.

Version 2.0 of SuperStor which was released in March, will work, but
there is a problem with Smartdrive 4.0 (which is bundled with Win3.1).
AddStor has already created version 2.04 to make them compatable.  It
can be obtained free from AddStor on their tech BBS.

Those are the facts, as I know them from talking to technical support
at DR and AddStor.  Apparently, AddStor required as part of the
license to DR that the version of SuperStor that was bundled with
DR-DOS 6.0 work only with DR-DOS to protect their market (this was
from someone at DR).  I have no problem with that.  Apparently, the
version they sell, works with many flavors of DOS (I don't have a
list).

>PS.  Does anyone have the 800 tech support number for drdos 6.  I 
>cannot find it in my manuals anywhere.

I couldn't find it either.  I don't know if the 800-555-1212 operator
would have that information or not.  The people at MicroSoft were the
one's who actually alerted me to the potential problem and gave me
DR's technical support number 408-646-6464.  Tech support at DR gave
me the number of the DR BBS 408-649-3443.  

I hope that helps.

--David
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From: dkrause@miami.acs.uci.edu (Doug Krause)
Subject: Re: The new Cica
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:28:40 GMT

In article <shabcINNo9s@agate.berkeley.edu> jorourke@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason O'Rourke) writes:
#Cica is up, but many machines won't know where it is.  I had to 
#ftp to cica.cica to find the numerical address.  Would someone
#post it for others?  I would, but I'm logged in on a single windows
#from home, and the address is in my other account.

Name:    ftp.cica.indiana.edu
Address:  129.79.20.84

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From: neptune@netcom.com (Dwayne Farley)
Subject: Re: Eggheads "Cue" WIN3.1 Offer
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 23:54:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

If you go to Egghead for your upgrade and there is a chance you 
may want to return the software, beware:

Egghead *may* not accept a return of an upgrade or competative upgrade
on your software.  I did a competative upgrade on WordPerfect from
MS Word and decided I didn't like it.  Egghead would not take it back
and said I would have to contact WordPerfect for a return.

Just thought someone might want to know.

D.

Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: donnel@helix.nih.gov (Donald A. Lehn)
Subject: Re: Why I'm sticking with Windows
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:54:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.212553.19410@ncsu.edu> linville@fritz.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:
/>In article <1992Apr15.201720.3686@alw.nih.gov> donnel@helix.nih.gov (Donald A. Lehn) writes:
/>>In article <1992Apr15.200508.18117@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith) writes:
/>>/>So tell us Donald, what system will you be running NT on?
/>>
/>>Well lets see, the Silicon Graphics Indigo?, the microVax?, the Sun?, the new
/>>486?  perhaps even this Convex multiprocessor supercomputer?
/>
/>>Windows NT - The one operating system that fits all.
/>
/>Sorry about this waste of bandwidth, but I really need to get this straight.
/>
/>You, Dr. Lehn, are unwilling to upgrade your 286 to a 386 because it is too
/>expensive for you, yet you are willing to wait a year or more for NT to become
/>available, to pay $500-$1000 for it, and also buy multiple *EXPENSIVE*
/>hardware platforms to run it on?  I'm sorry, I just don't understand your
/>reasoning.
/>
/>John W. Linville

John, the SG Indigo's are paid for.  (I used the tax money you sent in
today. ;-) )  Right now, there is an IBM Model 80 sitting right next to
both of them.  By running NT on the Indigo's, I will be able to give
the 80's to someone else who can use them and still be able to run all
of their programs on the Indigo's which are now only used at most a
couple of times a week running molecular modelling software.  
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From: joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 Resource Kit - is this useful?
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:11:43 GMT
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:

> In article <1992Apr13.181441.6133@sequent.com> rbk@sequent.com (Bob Beck) wri
> >I got my official Windows 3.1 upgrade over the weekend, installed fine.  A
> >bunch of advertising came with it, and one part is for the "Windows 3.1
> >Resource Kit" for $19.95 plus shipping/etc.  Does anyone have this and/or ca
> >comment on it - is this useful?  What's in it?  Is it worth $19.95 +
> >shipping?
> 
> If Windows 3.1 is so easy to use and configure, then why does Microsoft think
> that we need to spend $20 on a package to help us figure out how to configure
> it?  This is user-friendliness?

I think the Resource Kit is like the shop manual for your car: Useful if
you like to tinker, but probably not for the average user. Shucks, I
doubt if the average driver even reads the regular owner's manual. I
found a lot of the information in Resource Kit useful, but I'm a
computer professional. I suspect most of the readers of this newsgroup
would also find it useful. It has a lot more detailed information about
optimizing Windows and debugging Windows problems and a lot more
discussion of Windows internals. A couple of programs on the Kit disk
are also useful, like the Smart Drive Monitor.


(If your mail bounces use the address below. My map entry is new.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982
From: richardp@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Richard R Prince)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Win3.1 and old *.trm problem
Keywords: New TERMINAL / old TERMINAL files ??
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:02:34 GMT
Distribution: usa


     I have one *.trm file created with Win3.0 that now does not
     work quite right with Win3.1.  If you type several characters
     in at the prompt, but make a mistake and try to backspace, not
     all characters get erased...some get left in the buffer(and on
     screen).  All the other functions/features seem to work just
     fine...only this backspace thing.   Anyone else had similar
     problems??  Found a solution??    Aside from a fairly obscure
     problem/bug with QuickC for Windows, I have not encountered
     any other problems with Win3.1 and various applications.
       All replies and suggestions would be welcome....thanks!
From: amemjm@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: QEMM 6, windows and DOS box
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:47:07 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

Hi all,
	I've just instyalled QEMM-386 version 6.02, and have an odd problem with
windows. 

Upon exiting from any FULL-SCREEN DOS box, the screen goes back into graphics
mode, and then is blank -  I need a hardware reset to get out. Upon exiting
windows, the machine reboots.

I have QEMM set up as follows:

DEVICE=C:\QEMM386.SYS ST:M

I suspect the stealth parameter is th problem, prob it's mapping a system ROM
that is needed, but any ideas which one??

Mark
From: reed@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Perry Reed)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:54:44 GMT
Subject: Re: AMiPro Questions
Organization: Hewlett Packard Co. / PGP
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms

>Being frustrated with WPWin, I decided to get the working model
>of AMiPro.  A couple questions:

>1. How much Ram do you really need? I have 2 megs right now. WIll
>it be as slow as WPWin with only 2 megs?

Yes.

>2. Can the ATM be used as iff you bought it separately? If so
>it seems like a good deal.

Yes again.

>3. Amipro claims to import WP files.  I tried this with the 
>working model. I imported a heavily formated resume, and
>it came in really different.  I tried all 3 options in the
>"apply styles" dialog box and no luck.

Not sure.

>4.  THe working model shows fonts in red that i don't have.
>What is the deal???

I had this happen when I stopped using Inellifont for Windows, and
switched to ATM.  AMi Pro found the fonts I used to have and showed them
in red.  After a while they went away.  I have no idea why.

Maybe the working model is showing you the fonts you would have with ATM
installed.

Perry
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: becap@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian CAPSON)
Subject: Re: Number of OS/2 2.0 orders (was Re: Why go to 3.1 if 2.0 works)
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:52:45 GMT

In article <2411@accucx.cc.ruu.nl> nevries@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Nico de Vries.)  
writes:
> In <MMSHAH.92Apr14140022@im5.lcs.mit.edu> mmshah@im.lcs.mit.edu (Milan Shah)  
writes:
> 
> 
> >>OS/2 hasn't been released for 14 days and there are
> >>already 2,000,000 orders for the program (mostly Windows 3.0 owners BTW).
> >>IBM currently has only one problem, where to get diskettes :-) (actually
> >>this problem really exists BTW).
> 
> >Not to offend anyone, but I bet that number is skewed. Simple Math. IBM 
> >has been taking orders through their 800 number (I believe that's the only
> >place you can order it as of now) for about 10 days. That boils down to
> There are much more ways to order it. By mailing your upgrade form for
> example.
> 
> >about 200,000 orders / day. Assuming 10 hr days, that's 333 orders/min.
> >Assuming an order takes about 10 minutes to take, it would imply IBM has
> >about 3,000 people taking orders.
> 
> >I believe (from information posted to the OS/2 group) that there are about
> >100 people taking orders. The Wall Street Journal reported some time back
> IBM got soo much orders they raised it to 300 a while ago (a week?). Even
> that wasn't enough but it was the technical limit at that moment. They
> have been working on that so perhaps there are more now.
> 
> >that most of the _initial_ calls to IBM's hotline were from people clamoring
> >for their _free_ OS/2 1.x to 2.0 upgrade.
> IBM claims most of the orders where Windows 3.0 -> OS/2 2.0 upgrades.
> 
> >This post is not a reflection on the quality of either OS/2 or Win 3.1. Its
> >simply an excersize in putting things in perspective. 
> The quality is not the only issue. I personally believe the most important
> issue is acceptance. If the mass buys Windows it will be Windows, if the
> mass buys OS/2 it will be OS/2. Technical quality has something to do with
> it but marketing, install base, comapy reputation etc also influence it.
> Since NEWS readers want NEWS and the sales of the packes are going to  
determine
> hoe the next decade of computing looks (OS/2 or Windows or DesqView/X or ...)
> I think it should be discussed.
> 

This is all propaganda bullshit. It's unsubstantiated, unwarranted, and  
unwelcome. Please take it back to the OS/2 group where it belongs. If we want  
info on OS/2, we'll come over there and read it.
Thank You.

- Brian
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: admiral.uucp!fsaleem@uunet.uu.net (Farzan Saleem)
Subject: OS/2 and svga
Reply-To: admiral.uucp!fsaleem@uunet.uu.net (Farzan Saleem)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:44:27 GMT

I hope that this hasn't been discussed already, since I haven't been
on for a while... 
 
I currently run Win 3.1 in 1024x768x256 on my computer (386/33 Cache
4 megs ram, 120 mb hd). I am thinking of switching over to OS/2 ver 2
except that I was told that it was only able to run in 640x480x16, 
which now looks terrible since I got used to 1024x768. 
 
Is there any truth in this, or will os/2 handle 1024x768? How about
800x600?  Again, I apologize if this has been discussed before.
 
FS! 

Please email reply, if poss...

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From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: Win 3.1 upgrade and True Type
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 14:12:28 GMT

dwebster@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Webster) writes:
> Now that I have TrueType fonts on both PC and MAC platforms, can
> anyone tell me if (1) the font formats for the two platforms are
> compatible, and (2) if so, how to transfer fonts from one platform to
> the other.

1.  The fonts are compatible.

2a. To transfer a Mac TrueType font to the PC, delete the resource fork of
    the file, and copy the data fork over to the PC.  That's it!

2b. I don't know what you'd need to put in the resource fork in order to
    use a PC TrueType font on the Mac.

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Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: Iskandar Taib <ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Getting stuff from wuarchive.wustl.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:25:18 -0500

In article <1992Apr16.130234.988@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Iskandar Taib <ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>In article <70337718321128@jaber.eecs.umich.edu> ayman@eecs.umich.edu writes:
>>wuarchive can be mounted using NFS. The win3 directory can be accessed by
>>mounting wuarchive.wustl.edu:/archive/mirrors2
>>So you could say 
>>unix% mkdir ~/archive
>>unix% mount wuarchive.wustl.edu:/archive/mirrors2 ~/archive
>>
>>to mount the disk, and then
>>unix% cd ~/archive/win3
>
>Unfortunately you have to be root to run mount.  8-(
>
Holy Cow!

I was wrong! It DOES work from my Ultrix account!

(I had tried this a long time ago on a Sparc and failed 
miserably...)





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From: lauch@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Chung Lau)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Windows 3.1 bugs?
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:21:10 GMT
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering


  Has anyone try this:

  Open control panel, open fonts.  Click on Arial (True Type) to preview
the font, go to the bottom of the font list, click on WingDings (True
Type), it promptly hangs my machine.

  I tried disabling ATM but doesn't make a difference, is it a bug
or something to do with my setup? (GW 486/33, 8megs, 120mb)

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From: rob@rjck.UUCP (Robert J.C. Kyanko)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: How about Paradise Drivers? (for those who care)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 01:22:16 EDT
Organization: RJK Enterprises, Orlando, FL

joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  ) writes:
> > >
> > >Well my Paradise VGA Pro works fine and it is even older than the
> > >1024. The number I have for the Paradise BBS is:
> > >  Paradise BBS                    1-415-968-1834
> > 
> > What do you mean by "works fine"?
> > Are you able to use your mouse in a windowed DOS session?
> > I'm using the Paradise 640x480x256 driver for Windows 3.0
> > but it doesn't work very well even though I use the grabber
> > and VDD that come with 3.1.
> 
> I mean it works fine in 800x600x16 mode. I've never found much use for
> the 640x480x256 modes. I found very little in 256 color modes that
> would be worth giving up the extra screen resolution for. When I want
> 256 colors I drop into a DOS mode GIF viewer like VPIC, or I use
> PC Paintbrush IV+. That way you actually get 256 colors, instead of
> 240 like I do under Windows (Windows reserves 16 colors for it's
> own use) and I don't have to restart Windows to use them.

Don't mean to change the subject here, but WINGIF *will* use all 256 colors
for gifs *if* you make the picture full screen (an option on one of the pull-
down's)

-> just my input.

-----------
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Ami Pro problems under 3.1
From: M..Scott.Carr@alpha.bgsu.edu (M. Scott Carr)
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:01:11 GMT
Organization: The day begins at midnight - Fox BBS


   I just got off the phone with Lotus support

and am evidently the first person to report a

reproducable error in Ami Pro 2.0 under Win 3.1

that doesn't occur under Win 3.0.

   After loading Ami Pro, open the file 

printest.sam that comes with AMI Pro. Then 

switch to faceing pages view. Ami Pro finishes

the two page veiw but then reports an error in

AMIFONT.DLL at 0002:2F9F. 

   They are shipping me release 307 in hopes

of fixing the problem (I have release 296). To

see what release you have, select about

Ami Pro 2.0 and press CTRL-R. The release number

appears at the bottom of the window.

   Gee, a Lotus certified First.


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