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From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Danhua Newton Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Date: 19 Aug 1992 00:59:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

See, the Aussie team could have beaten the Dream Team, why are there still
some people insisting to send the college kids to the Olympics? Is a 20-point
defeat from the DT better than a 60-point loss for the college kids?


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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Talk about bias... (was Re: game decided on last play)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:00:22 GMT

Meeks 18th lie: article #18 post-stop

In article <1992Aug14.151835.56820@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>So? how many superstars did they have before the Bad Boys era? Name them.
>>I couldn't.
>I assume you mean only in the early 80s, 
Of course, because we are talking about the Bird/Magic era.

>because otherwise names like 
>Dave Bing, Dave DeBusschere, Bob Lanier come to mind.  In the early 80s, like
>83-86, Laimbeer was an AllStar, getting 1000+ rebounds and about 17+ppg.  
So? Parish was an all-star too. And if you claim that Parish wasn't a
superstar, how can you claim that Laimbeer was? 

And you have anyone on the early 80 Pistons to counter McHale? DJ? Tiny?

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Date: 13 Aug 92 04:18:13 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug12.224936.423@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>In article <6bgZ03gl591W00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>> I'll start with my home state
>>
>>	Florida
>>	Starter 		Backup
>>Center  Darryl Dawkins (who else? still the best FLA has produced)	
>>				Mychal Thompson
>>PF	Douglas Edwards		Livingston Chatman
>>SF	George McCloud		(The kid from Miami who went to LSU ) 
>>SG	Vernon Maxwell		Andrew Moten
>>PG	Chris Corchianni	Ronnie Montgomery
>>
>>	North Carolina  
>>	Starter 		Backup
>>Center  Daugherty?		S. Williams
>>PF	Bailey			Reid
>>SF	Worthy			
>>SG	Jordan			
>>PG	?????			Bogues? 
>>
>Ok, here goes (I'm from Florida too, but I'll take a shot at NC also)...
>
>FLORIDA		starter			backup
>
>Center		Dave Cowens		Artis Gilmore (Jacksonville)
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I was trying to use guys who we could still send out to play today. 
>PF		Livingston Chapman	?

Come on, Livingston never lived up to his billing (partly due to playing for 
an idiot) but Edwards is just plain better. 

>SF		Rick Barry		George McCloud
>SG		Vernon Maxwell		Rodenko Dobras (USF)
>PG		Chris Corchianni	Ronnie Montgomery
>
-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....


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From: fzimmerm@csd630a.erim.org (Fred Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: ALL STATE OF MICHIGAN TEAM!!!!
In-reply-to: rda446x@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au's message of Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:19:21 GMT
Organization: Environmental Research Institute of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan
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	<1992Aug18.051921.27330@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:11:46

In article <1992Aug18.051921.27330@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> rda446x@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (S.A. Mccoy) writes:

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   From: rda446x@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (S.A. Mccoy)
   Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
   References: <1dON027i1e4X01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> <vad-k0-@engin.umich.edu> <55732@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>
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   In article <55732@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
   >In article <vad-k0-@engin.umich.edu> martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
   >>Glen Rice (Star of NBA Play-off team....will be All-Star next year)6'9 SF
   >Rice is maybe 6'7"
		  ^^^^
		  When named to the Basketball Digest All-Rookie team a couple of
		  years ago he was listed as 6'4".
		  Talk about late growth spurt.

Glen Rice may only be 6'7", instead of 6'9", but he is NOT 6'4".  Remember,
he led the Big Ten in rebounding one year.  He is playing out of his natural
position in the pros--he is really a forward.  He is skinny, but he is
strong.

Any Miami Heat fans following this thread?  Tell us how the Heat are
doing this summer.  DId they have a rookie camp?  Did Harold Miner
show?
From: bsala@weber.ucsd.edu (Brian Sala)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Danny Ferry - Did he err?
Date: 22 Aug 1992 01:21:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <23931@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>Did Danny Ferry err when he opted to play for an Italian team instead
>of signing with the Los Angeles Clippers?
>
>By signing and playing with the Clippers, Ferry surely would have gotten
>a lot of playing time in NBA and establish his reputation as a NBA star.
>
>Am I wrong?
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Steve Williams                           swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
yeah, danny has shown in his play with the Cavs that he is destined to
be a great star in the pros.  a veritable Michael Smith.
--brian
From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Self Restaint
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:36:34 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Aug21.042446.20083@menudo.uh.edu> st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.204729.2011@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:
>>
>>OK, Larry Bird retired, and I'm really bummed.
>>
>>I wore my Bird shirt today, even though it is about 2 sizes too small, in
>>honor of him.
>>
>>So I meet this guy in the laundry room.  We get to talking about Bird.
>>How good he was, etc.  And then the guy says:
>>
>>I think the only guy who could shoot better than him is PAXSON(!?!?!?)
>
>       Jim or John?
>
Like I bothered to ask.  Does it matter?

C Squared
From: andy@misha.central.sun.com (Andy Knipp Metro SE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: S. Roberts: Trade Bait??
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:01:24 GMT
Reply-To: andy@misha.central.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 6083@iscsvax.uni.edu, baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu () writes:
>
>How about this possibility?:   Armstrong and the rights for Kukoc in exchange
>for Roberts.  Of course this will depend on Kukoc signing a NBA contract but
>this deal might tempt Kukoc.  He would get the starting position he covets and
>he would get the chance to play along side the Shaq.  I only make this
>suggestion because I do not believe that the Bulls will be able to sign Kukoc
>in the near future.

I'd like to see this happen.  However,  I imagine the Magic are pretty 
close to being over the salary cap without Roberts contract.  They were
able to go over the cap resigning their own FA.  They could not sign 
Kukoc & go over the cap.  

The Bulls would need a another PG.  But with the addition of Roberts,
they could dangle 2 of the following 3:  King, Perdue, and Williams for
a good PG.  Hate to see Williams go,  but he is probably the most 
marketable.


---
Andy Knipp  SE                |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret of success is sincerity,
Schaumburg, IL                | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunbird.central.sun.com  |
From: KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: It's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:22:08 GMT
Organization: Kamchatka Charlie

That's right--your favorite fan of the curse of the NBA (aka the Pistons) is
back on the net--or will be in the next couple of weeks!  Mind you, it may not
be that good a season for the team, but I will be rooting for them and starting
the occasional (I hope) well-tempered (I hope) flamewar (I hope) when the
anti-Piston rhetoric get a little TOO thick for my eyes.  Before I get back to
the full-time reading of this newsgroup, I have a few questions for the readers
to ponder:

1)  Will the Knicks be given the monicer "Satan's Team II" for taking Daly from
the Pistons?  Or did Daly just clean the bad reputation from his suits by
moving to New York?

2)  Can Riley turn the New Jersey Nets into a contender?

3)  WHEN WILL LOR AND MEEKS QUIT THEIR GRUDGE MATCH AGAINST EACH OTHER?  WHILE
I DISLIKE KILL FILES, THEIR CONSTANT BICKERING OVER ABSOLUTELY NOTHING MAKES ME
WISH I HAD ON TO USE ON *THEM* !!!!!

Later

PEACE, ANARCHY, AND A THIRD PISTONS CHAMPIONSHIP--even if it takes another
twenty-five years to get it.

Kamchatka Charlie          KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:56:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.154337.9900@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.183329.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> c9111381@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (ROBERT BUCK) writes:
>>
>>I think the aust would have beaten the U.S. all over the court had they 
>>played.
>
>Here's a dollar, go buy a clue..

Funny, Dave -- none of us knew you had a dollar to spare...

- Trent Lange

-- 
*************************************************************************
*   UCLA:  More National Championships than you can shake a stick at    *
*          in a whole bunch of sports -- and academics, too!            *
*************************************************************************
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bulls sign top pick
Date: 12 Aug 1992 23:15:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

>     I just don't see how he can play power forward with 6-4 in the NBA.

Is he really only 6'4"? I thought he was listed at 6'7".  Well, I guess you can always
hope for another Charles Barkley who's really closer to 6'4" than the 6'6" he's
usually listed at.

-Bennet
From: dorin@ksr.com (Bob Dorin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Yet another my-state-is-better-... update
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:13:52 EDT
Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp.

In article <1992Aug17.175347.4985@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
>greatest player of all time: Oscar Robertson (Indianapolis Crispus Attucks).
>His high school team went undefeated in both his junior and senior years.  At
>Cincinnati, his team won consecutive NCAA championships against Ohio State, who
>only had Havlicek, Lucas, Siegfried, et. al.  In the NBA, in spite of playing


Oscar Robertson was already in the NBA playing for the Cincinnati
Royals when UofCincinnati won their back-to-back NCAA titles.
Yes, they beat Ohio State and Jerry Lucas et al, but "they"
were Paul Hogue, Ron Bonham and others.  No Big O.

--
Name:    Bob Dorin
Company: Kendall Square Research 
Email:   dorin@ksr.com, ksr!dorin

P.S.  Bird just quit.  Sniff.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: robin@cs.columbia.edu (Jacques Robin)
Subject: LJ, the Glide, Godzilla & Stockton
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:03:11 GMT


I would like to know the height AND weight of the following NBA players:
- Larry Johnson
- Clyde Drexler
- Charles Barkley
- John Stockton

Thanks for any answer, cheers,

Jacques.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: dolsen@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (David Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:25:00 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug16.222449.1861@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes...
>In article <3eDh03qL59jy00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>>interesting. I wanna know why young black kids place such a premium on being 
>>a great athlete to the exclusion of academic pursuits.
> 

> 
>The middle school I went to was a 2 year waste of time for me.  
>To give you an example in the middle school, that I went to
>we had a teacher named John Day whose idea of giving a test
>was to give you the answers the day before, with the promise
>that he will change the way the questions are worded.  My
>math teachers repeated the 5th and 6th grade work in the 7th
>and 8th.  It was tougher in the 5th and 6th.  One had the nerve
>to tell me practice makes perfect, when I asked her why we
>kept repeating the same thing, and why it was so easy.
> 
>She is right, practicing to be underclass often makes
>perfect.
> 
>How exactly do kids, who live in this sort of educational enviroment
>for much longer than I did, are they supposed to compete with what
>is often a 5th rate education?
> 
>5th rate because 1: Not Wealthy, 2: Not Middle Class, 3: Not White
>4: Black.


Not to support the racist part of the argument but to debunk another myth. 
The middle school and high school I went to was also a total waste of time
though I didn't know it at the time.  I think a poor education is
more common than you think in public schools.  It always seemed strange
that some kids from private schools always found school so easy in college.


> 
>The few of us who do succeed from this type of background do it
>through a lot of hard work.
> 
>Everytime I here morons like you spread this racist shit around
>I just makes me happy I didn't grow up here and wasn't born here.  
>Funny now that I think of it, most of the kids from that school
>who were somewhat successful weren't born here either.
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: All North Carolina team
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:46:17 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

In rec.sport.basketball.pro, martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara) writes:
 >
 >And above that, how many players are currently in the pros from the
 >state of North Carolina?
 >I would bet less than ten......
 >
 >Just last week, I posted a list from Michigan that had over twenty
 >CURRENT NBA players from the state. I believe that's more than
 >almost all the states....maybe New York, California might have
 >more....It's definately more than North Carolina....
 >
 >Don't ever start bad-talking Indiana or Michigan basketball. They
 >brought two players to the game who made the NBA what it is today.
 >Magic and Bird.....now the current GOD is from NC....don't forget
 >who put him there.......

Hmmmm.....   It is obvious that one North Carolinian GOD outweighs twenty 
Michigan NBA players anytime.  :-)


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 Steve Williams                           swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Celtics
Keywords: Celtics rookies camp
Date: 16 Aug 92 01:19:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Originator: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu

In article <93774@bu.edu> sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn) writes:
>
>
>Do u mean he's not gonna sign? I still have hopes. As for Bird, no mixture here.
>The only scenario I can see which would make Bird's retirement more of a positive event is if it would sinificantly free up space under salary cup and 
>allow to sign a real good player, which is highly unlikely.
>
I believe that the question was posed to Jan Volk (Celtic VP) last year about
Bird taking a pay cut so that they could sign someone else (ala Magic & Terry
Teagle) and Jan said that even if Bird took a 100% pay cut, the Celtics were
STILL over the salary cap.

C Squared
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: tron@tc.fluke.COM (Peter Barbee)
Subject: Re: Dream Team
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:44:31 GMT

>>Charles "Mr Elbow" Barkley made himself look like a real creep
>>and won no fans anywhere.

I'm surprised people are still saying this.  Did anyone notice that
Charles continued to receive adulation from the fans throughout the
entire Olympics?  It sured looked to me like people (and from many
more places than just the US) loved.  I imagine that one of the
things they loved was his accessability.  Unlike Jordan, and even
more than Magic, Barkley was accessible to the fans.  I think he
gained more international fans than he lost.

Peter B
From: afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: All North Carolina team
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:24:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



Just to get into the game....

How about a North Carolina team?  You could start with the players that 
went there, Jordan, Perkins, Daugherty, that's all I know, but I do know 
that there are a heck of a lot more NBA'ers from there than from Indiana 
and Michigan combined.

Any help? 

Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland
From: strauss@uncavx.unca.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Aussie efforts
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:51:54 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Nntp-Posting-User: clayton

The Aussies could not have beaten the dream team: they refused
to get on the same court as Magic!

Bob ('Roo) Strauss
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:51:22 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug16.212529.1593@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney) writes:
>In article <M1WCC00.92Aug14105944@mcfss2.fed.frb.gov> m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook) writes:
>>In article <XJAM.92Aug13172345@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU> xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) writes:
>>

[ Lots of heated repartee deleted ]

>>I responded to posts that heatedly stated that differences in ability
>>among races do not exist and that it is harmful to believe that there


>
>Very few differenes in races exist.  What you see is often
>differences in ethnic group.  Often that difference is taken to
>represent every member of that racial group.  There are different
>ethnic black groups just as there are different ethnic white
>Asian and so on.

This lands on a very good point.  All blacks can't run, jump or drain the "J".
Obviously there are differences in races but also differences within racial 
groups as well. One interesting thought about the preponderance of great black
sprinters and hoopsters in the states is the fact that obviously your West
Africans were more readily available to the slave traders.  One fact that has
trickled out of this whole mess is that the West Africans would appear to 
have the correct makeup to facilitate these abilities but obviously this does
not speak for all blacks/africans.  
>
>>is a difference.  Wake up.  Here's a theory.  Some white people in
>>Indiana love basketball and have as much desire as blacks in say, DC.
>>It was stated that the only reason blacks are better is because
>>they have more peer pressure and more time devotion.  Take 10, 100,
>>1000 guys from the two regions who would all tell you that bball
>>means everything to them.  You'll find a handful of whites under
>>6'5" who can dunk.  You'll find loads of blacks who can do it easily.
>
>Bullshit.  Prove it to me.  Stop making guessing on your own racial
>bigotry.  Funny, I've met more whites under 6'5" who can dunk or
>are close than and desperately trying to dunk.
>
>I'm 6'4" (and 1/4",a little 4" nurse though I could get that quarter
>inch in) with long arms, can hold on to the net flat footed, but
>can't dunk.  18 measly inches.  Now why was I left out of the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is not something to brag about dude! :-)  I may never stop laughing!!!

>loads of blacks under 6'5" who can.  Oh, I know.  Because I've
>played so much ball with white guys, I've caught the white mans
>disease.  Tell me, is there a black mans cure/potion, maybe I
>should go to Harlem.

All humor aside, the guy *is* right ... some brothers can't sky and 
some white boys *can* fly!  We've begun, after a bit of a slow start, to 
get some interesting information out in the open here.... 


-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
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From: jerry@MicroUnity.com (Jerry Kreuscher)
Subject: Re: Lithuania team T-shirts, etc.
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:10:33

In article <1992Aug18.014110.25969@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
	[ ... ]
   Sunday's San Francisco Examiner published a number at the Warrior's office
   where you could order a shirt.  However, they did not anticipate the
   huge demand out there.  Nelson said that they had already received over
   1000 orders in less than a day.  Thus, this number is no longer valid and
   BASS tickets is now handling the ordering.  The shirts come in two
   sizes, large and x-large.  The cost is $30 per shirt, and part of the
   proceeds goes towards the Lithuanian Olympic team.

   Here's the number:

   510-762-BASS.

If this is a toll call for you, order from Grateful Dead merchandising
instead at 800-CAL-DEAD.

Jerry		(jerry@microunity.com)