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From: shayne@cs.mcgill.ca (Lydia MANCINI)
Subject: Re: Consecutive seasons over .500
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:38:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.045936.3775@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO) writes:

>Steve, I agree, we should have the team that sells the most jerseys win the 
>cup...  NOT!  :-)
>
>Dave, I was not implying that San Jose would be a contender if they were in the
>Adams, but I am saying that a team in the Patrick's has a harder time of making
>the playoffs than a team in the Adams' as the Patrick's is more competitive.
>You can't disagree with me there, especially since one of the two teams in the
>Pats that isn't making the playoffs (aka the Isles), if they beat NJ, will have
>a .500 season.  Buffalo, who is placed third in the Adams', has less points
>than the Isles, and I believe less points than Philly!  Also, look at the 
>spread Montreal has over Boston.  Jeez, wasn't Montreal the first team to 
>clinch their division title?

This has happened in every division at one time or the other. A few years
back, Toronto beat Minnesota to the final playoff spot in the Norris. Toronto
had ~50 points, beating Minnesota by little. One year, Hartford grabbed 4th place
in the Adams, eliminating Quebec. Both teams were over .500.  You can also
use the 92 points by Montreal in '69 as a good example.

The reason why Montreal has a big lead over Boston is that they had an amazing
first half. If they had continued that in the 2nd half (But they didn't :-( ),
the spread would have been bigger.

They're 16-12-5 against their division, this includes 2 ties to Quebec, and
several losses to Hartford.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

>     ____
>      / o n y.


-- Lydia

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 (I always liked that comment)
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Brain Dead Penguins marketers
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:41:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: cunixf.1992Apr17.004126.28970
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>I heard that in other cities, the home playoff games are on cable while
>the road games are on local TV. This doesn't make any more sense, since
>an NHL team usually sells out all of its home playoff games.

The trend is towards cable; here in NYC, ALL hockey has been on cable
for at least the past 5 years.  Last night's Penguins game was on SCA
with Mike Lange & Paul Steigerwald as "the Penguins Hockey Network",
and on cable they can more tightly control the station breaks with a
uniform set of "national" commercials for which the Penguins and KBL
can get more money than from just having Stan's Auto Body on Main St.

gld
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From: mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin)
Subject: Re: Most popular athletes
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:53:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.125437.1@sask.usask.ca> chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)  
writes:
> I'm compiling a list of the two most popular athletes in each NHL city or
> region.  Please reply through e-mail if you are sure a change in the list is  
in
> order.  Thanks in advance.
> 
> Glenn
> 
> 
> Most popular athletes in NHL cities/regions (one athlete per team per region)
> 									Apr/92
> Vancouver	Pavel Bure		?
 
I'm not sure of his present popularity, but Gene Kiniski used to be the
*World's Greatest Athlete*.
From: gak@gakbox.Corp.Sun.COM (Richard Stueven)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The Fat Lady Sang ... NHL over?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:31:55 GMT
Reply-To: gak@gakbox.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gakbox.corp.sun.com

In article 23495@usenet.ins.cwru.edu, ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
>furthermore, Ziegler warned that that's it, totally, for the NHL
>(implying that it will just close up shop and fold)

And if this happens, whose fault will it be?

I'll give you one guess...

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:32:20 -0400 
From: Chad Nicholas Hunter <ch3g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pens-4 Caps-1

(Lori Iannamico writes)
.....
>Scratches: Wendell Young, Jeff Chychrun, Jim Paek, Peter Taglianetti

what about Lemieux? and also, i haven't read your post on the rangers
game yet (as you may know it takes an extra day to get them) but did he
play in that game and is he going to be ready on sunday?

also, while i'm posting, why is Jim Paek being scratched game in, game
out? (he may have played in the ranger game) is he in bowman's doghouse?
how did this happen if so? 

also, since post take a while to appear here, would it be possible to cc
your game posts to me? (especially during playoffs)?

thanks,
Chad
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From: cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO)
Subject: Re: Consecutive seasons over .500
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:59:36 GMT

Steve, I agree, we should have the team that sells the most jerseys win the 
cup...  NOT!  :-)

Dave, I was not implying that San Jose would be a contender if they were in the
Adams, but I am saying that a team in the Patrick's has a harder time of making
the playoffs than a team in the Adams' as the Patrick's is more competitive.
You can't disagree with me there, especially since one of the two teams in the
Pats that isn't making the playoffs (aka the Isles), if they beat NJ, will have
a .500 season.  Buffalo, who is placed third in the Adams', has less points
than the Isles, and I believe less points than Philly!  Also, look at the 
spread Montreal has over Boston.  Jeez, wasn't Montreal the first team to 
clinch their division title?
 
     ____
      / o n y.
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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: When does one buy new hockey skates?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:08:24 GMT

In article <46304@dime.cs.umass.edu> rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.152217.636@berlioz.nsc.com> alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr5.151217.39053@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, vonwaadn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>|>
>>|> 
>>|> How can you tell you need new skates?
>>
>   Some folks opt for replacing the blade (not sure of the cost) and
>   prolonging the life of the boot.

Ric Nattress has used the same pair of skates all his career.
(I imagine he's changed the blades a few times, 'tho.)/

When he retires, they should send them to the hall of fame where they can
sit next to Butch Goring's helmet.

-- 
Mike Godfrey   	           		"Either that wallpaper goes, or I do."
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT      	         	-- allegedly, the last words
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   of Oscar Wilde
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From: bharriso@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bob Harrison)
Subject: NHL Strike
Keywords: Insurance ?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 16:26:10 GMT


I wonder if the owners have strike insurance, and maybe have had since
the start of the season. This would explain why they/how they can take
the "final offer" stand and not budge. I am not saying i agree with
the players or the owners, but somethings going on!

As for the owners losing $150 million or making 24 million, I think this
is something only an accountant needs to know ...I doubt they are losing
as much as they say they are, otherwise we should be seeing more FOR SALE
signs around the league.
 
Who does everyone think the 4 players who voted against the Strike are ??

My guess is a few Russians or Other Europeean (sp?) players who are just
happy to have a large contract in the NHL as opposed to what they had
before.

Just my opinions for today (as i have nothing better to do while working
a 12 hour shift.
 

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From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: The Fat Lady Sang ... NHL over?
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:05:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.202629.23495@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:


>And, I already read that Messier wnats to start a new league, and
>furthermore, Ziegler warned that that's it, totally, for the NHL
>(implying that it will just close up shop and fold)
>-- 

I read the same thing and then checked to see if I was in the comics section.

Who are these guys kidding? Ziegler is really going to close up shop on the 
NHL.  I think the owners have a little too much at stake over the long haul.

What's funnier is Messier starting up his own league.  The guy moves to New 
York, has regular season success (but who hasn't had REGULAR season 
success with Iron Mike Gartner), shares Madonna with a cast of thousands...
AND now he's gonna start his own league?


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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Dear Sherri
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:47:14 GMT

In article <28370025@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> cadams@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Chris Adams) writes:
>How about: "All teams should have equal opportunity to build a team
>capable of winning the Stanley Cup."

Good.  Now, tell me how the draft has helped the Jets compete?  Yes, they
got Hawerchuk.  That's nice, but where's the Cup?

Your argument has been that the draft and restrictions on free agency are
necessary for teams to be competitive.  My point is that draft and
restricted free agency sure haven't done much so far to help the weak teams
get anywhere near the Stanley Cup.

>in the league.  It would not be hard to build such a team using only the
>"no-brainer" draft picks".

I doubt very seriously there are 18 "no-brainer" draft picks in the NHL.
Lots of players who look like "no-brainers" now were certainly not
no-brainers when they were drafted.  

>Just curious Sherri; do you have a favorite team?  LA Kings perhaps?

Sure do; the Penguins.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: carrie@wpi.WPI.EDU (Carrie A Ayers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: AHL playoffs
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:21:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr13.182134.28363
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Apr9.132404.10060@acsu.buffalo.edu> bsk@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian S. Kazmierczak) writes:
>In article <46269@dime.cs.umass.edu> rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot) writes:
>>Well, since things are looking rather dime in the NHL playoff
>>department, anyone wanna discuss the AHL playoffs? The Spring-
>>field Indians have their first game tonite and are looking
>>to capture the Calder Cup for the third year in a row and
>>I feel they have a good chance of doing it.
>>Judy
>

Well, it looks tough for the Indians as the Capital District Islanders
are giving them a pretty good run for their money.  The Islanders are
playing their usual bump and grind style, something the Indians can't
do very well.  The Indians lost the 1st game 4-1, and won the next one
4-3, and also the 3rd game 5-4 (2 mins into the 2nd OT).  It's a tough
series.  One I didn't think the Indians would have trouble with.


>I am pretty confident the Rochester Americans can take the first two games
>of the Calder Cup championships and then blow the rest again this year :)


Well, last I heard, Rochester won it's first 2 games of the playoffs.
Would be cool to keep them from another cup, just one more time :)



>Brian


And Adirondack (last I heard) is leading the other Northern Division
series 2-0.  (YAY!  I don't wanna see New Haven any more..we in Spfld
have had enough of them!)


Carrie
From: ewilts@mr.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: YES! Never was there a doubt in my mind.
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:05:52 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <9204110429.AA15426@skatter.usask.ca>, gerry@SKATTER.USASK.CA (Gerry Gryschuk) writes:
> Now that we can get back to debating the real important issues, let me be
> the first to attempt to start the inevitable playoff flamewars. Without
> a doubt the 1992 Stanley Cup Champions will be...
> 
> 			THE MONTREAL CANADIENS.
> 
> Let the Flames begin!!!!!!

The Flames began.  They got their butts kicked.  They became the Shark's first
home victory.  They became the Shark's first road victory.  The coach became
history.  The Flames didn't make the playoffs.

Let the Flames end!!!!!!!

-- 
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EWilts@MR.Gov.BC.CA   |   Ed.Wilts@BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA   |   (604) 389-3430
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From: harrison@mprgate.mpr.ca (Jeff Harrison)
Subject: Re: Kings vs. Canucks
Reply-To: harrison@mprgate.mpr.ca (Jeff Harrison)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:27:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.140238.27727@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, aq614@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert G. Guydosh) writes:
|> 
|> Who was in goal for Vancouver a couple nights ago vs. the Kings?
|> Was it Gamble or MacLean?
|> 
|> Bobby

Gamble was in net for the 6-1 drubbing on Sunday night.

McLean was in net on Tuesday, picking up his 38th win.
The Canucks won that one 3-2.

Pavel Bure scored a goal in each game, giving him 22 goals in 23 games.
The funny thing is, he hasn't had a hat trick yet. And, I believe that
he has only had 3 2-goal games in that span.
He seems to consistently get 1 goal a night.

Bure leads the Canucks in goal scoring with a total of 33.

In the game on Tuesday, there was something like 168 minutes in penalties.
There were so many overlapping penalties in the third that both teams were
3 skaters a side for a good 2 minutes.
McSorely received 34 minutes in penalties on ONE play stoppage.
If there hadn't have been more penalties called after that, the Canucks
were going to have an EIGHT minute power play.

The win on tuesday was only there 2nd win in 8 games, going 2-5-1 in that
span. 

Jeff

- For those who get the chance, watch the highlights of the
  Vancouver-Winnipeg game on Saturday night. You'll see 16,000 white towels
  being waved, a tradition dating back 10 years thanxs to Roger Neil.

- NAH NAH NAH NAHHH    NAH NAH NAHH NAHHHHHH  WINNNNN EEEEE PEEEEEEGGGG
  GOOOOOODDD BYYYYYEEEE (repeat chorus 20 times)
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Ok, draft is over... BUT!
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:12:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr11.131218.26125
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


How are they going to get times rescheduled for the playoff games?  I
mean, the Bulls will be in the playoffs (until they play Cleveland!),
which is going to be a long time.  Are the Sixers in?  That poses a
problem for Philly.  How about the Knicks and the Rangers?
-- 
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Slap and Tickle... The Canadian National Sport
University of Michigan: Class of 1996
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From: easchwei@eos.ncsu.edu (ERIC ARNOLD SCHWEITZ)
Subject: Re: Expansion?
Keywords: expansion, salaries, southern US
Organization: NCSU Project Eos
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:12:06 GMT

In article <gmarven.702785741@sanjuan> gmarven@sanjuan.UVic.CA (Grant Marven) writes:
[stuff killed]
>
>I'm not advocating that NHL is a Canada/US argument. In THIS FAN point
>of view more teams in the southern US will change the game. 
>For some, it may be interesting to see gladiators with 
>sticks on skates NOW, but long term interest is proven NOT to be there.

I'm not so sure about your long term interest assertion.  There
are some fans in Atlanta that still follow the Flames.  Although,
admittedly they are few in number... more when they won the Cup
a couple years back.

>Short term proof is available:
> - when baseball season gets into full swing, hockey is put in 
>   the dug out.

Baseball is considered by our media to be an American sport.  As
is basketball.  I think the US media views hockey as foreign.
Since basketball and baseball and football are all "American"
and played concurrent with hockey, hockey gets the shaft.

> - ever try to get a hockey score in the southern states (even
>   during the Stanley Cup finals)?

True.  They get little to no attention.  I lived in Tampa and
they didn't even include the standings in the paper.  You probably
wouldn't even have known what the NHL was if you read the Tribune.

>KEEP hockey at HOME (where the real fans ARE),
>NOT in the board (BORED) rooms or front of disappointed 
>gladiators fans when they find out that there is a purpose to 
>the little black flat ball.
>Grant Marven

It should be pointed out though that Florida could be considered
to be a good hockey market because of the large number of Northeast-
erners that have moved there and are starved for their childhood
pasttime.  There are a large number of people from New England
and Canada that have moved to the Sun Coast for economic reasons.
Not _all_ people in Florida are hockey fans, but there possibly
is a market.

As for your general assertion that a Canadian team would probably
succeed better than a Florida team, I can agree with that.  Hockey
is Canada's #1 sport and I think it would sell in Hamilton quite
well.  Why not?  

It'll be interesting to see if the Tampa (Lightening?) succed or not.

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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: NEED INFO ON A PLAYER
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:23:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.013448.15447@meteor.wisc.edu> rbrbrn@meteor.wisc.edu (Rob Holmes) writes:
>Does anyone know the whereabouts of a player named Tod Hartje?
>
>He played his college hockey at Harvard and was a member of their 1989 NCAA
>Championship team.  He was owned by either Quebec or Winnipeg but he played
>hockey in Russia for a year or two.  I saw him on David Letterman about two
>years ago, but he hasn't showed up on an NHL roster that I know of.  Maybe
>someone in the east knows where he is.
>
>Thanx in advance.
>
>THE ROBBER BARON

Todd Hartje is a member of the Moncton Hawks, the Jets farm club in the
AHL.  Last year, he played with Sokol Kiev in the (then) Soviet League.

   Daryl Turner <umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca>

     r.s.h. contact for the Winnipeg Jets.


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From: msquance@sirius.UVic.CA (Michael  Squance)
Subject: Re: Most popular atheletes
Originator: msquance@sirius
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:53:03 GMT


>I'm sure Roger Clemens isn't that far behind Bourque and Bird in Boston...
>but most definitley behind.

>BRI

I agree that Bird may be ahead of Clemens, but I highly doubt that
anyone from the Bruins is more popular than any of the Red Sox starters.
Baseball is just too big...

Mike.
From: jrmst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Joseph R. Mcdonald)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pens, Martha meet to discuss strike
Keywords: Martha: Making bid for NHL president?
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:34:46 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Apr09.161057.30551@cs.cmu.edu| lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:
|I appreciate what Paul Martha is trying to do.  He is trying to salvage the 
|NHL season, and the NHL as a league.  And I also think he is campaigning to 
|be the next league president. (IMHO)
|
|I don't mean that cynically.  To me it seems like the logical step.  He's been
|around hockey for a long time.  He was the Pens' General Consul when Mr. Ed
|owned the team.  He has earned the respect of both players and owners, which
|is a difficult thing to do.  He is admired for his intelligence and willingness
|to be reasonable and listen to all sides in a dispute.
|
|He is sort of an odd man out with the Pens' new owner Howard Baldwin.  He had
|attempted to by the team while Baldwin was trying to.  He failed (obviously),
|and things have been uneasy since.  He has been kept on by Baldwin because 
|Howie realizes Martha has a lot of influence in the NHL.  
|
|As for Johnny boy, he cut his own throat.  The owners like having a 
|controllable jerk as president, as long as he doesn't look like a controllable
|jerk to the media and public.  We fans have always know Ziegler was a few 
|bricks shy of the load, but now a lot more people know.  During the press
|conferences, he comes across like a slow-witted fool.  He looks and acts 
|clueless.
|
|Martha can handle the media quite well.  And he has the presidental "look".
|Meaning he's tall (Don't laugh, it's been proven that height can influence
|a person's decision when voting), he looks intelligent and in control, and he's
|attractive.  Apperances are half the battle.  You look good, people think you
|are good.
|
|Who knows, he just may be good.  He can't be any worse than Ziegler.  But like
|I said, it's just my opinion.
|
|Lori


And don't forget:  Paul Martha was the driving force in ending the NFL 
57-day strike of 1982.  The guys has always commanded respect from both
sides of a labor dispute.  I think the NHL would benefit ENORMOUSLY if
paul Martha was the next prez.

On a related note:  How many Pens fans respect Howard Baldwin more now than
they did 4 months ago?  I think throughout this strike he has demonstrating
a genuine love of the game.  Do you really wish we still had Uncle Ed at
the top?  Would Eddie have been as accessible to the players and media (and
fans!) as Howie has been?  I don't think so.   Maybe he has silenced the
doubters, maybe not.  I like him, and I think if more of the owners were
like him and less like that asshole Wirtz, we wouldn't be in this mess
right now.

Dean
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