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From: mwy10@cd.amdahl.com (Mathew W. Yee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: NAAP?
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:28:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug11.041433.9170@midway.uchicago.edu>,
sieh@quads.uchicago.edu (Twinkie Chinkie) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.175913.6872@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
>lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>>I think NAAP stands for National Association of Asian Professionals. 
>I
>>am not a member but a fellow AA here at my company is the
>>president for the Chicago chapter.
>
>Excellent.  Could you kindly post more info about it?  I've recently
>been
>discussing this sort of thing with another NYC netter.  So, any
>additional
>information about who they are, how to contact them etc would be very
>much appreciated.

Yeach!!!  I really hate posting "me too" messages.  It makes me feel
like a true
lemming :)  But, I would also like information about NAAP.

Thanks
-- 
Mathew Yee
Now of Amdahl Corporation -----> mwy10@cd.amdahl.com
Formerly of the University of California at Santa Barbara
-------------------------------> upsi1@mcl.ucsb.edu  or  psi1@engrhub.ucsb.edu
Since I work for Amdahl now, all opinions are my own and do not represent 
Amdahl Corporation in any way, shape, form, etc., etc., ad nausea.
From: NCCUT132@TWNMOE10.BITNET (Brian David Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Posting VIA Mail
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:07:12 GMT

My Mailer & Reader have both been screwin' up of late so I've
had to resort to posting through the mail.

I probably wouldn't have found out that my posts weren't getting through
except that some friends who're in the States asked me about a posting on
another group which hadn't made it to their sites.

For those who are in similar "technical" difficulties, one of the handy
dandy USENET FAQ's explains the procedure (which they caution people to
use only if there's not other access).  Just send your post to the
gateway at ucbvax.berkeley.edu.  To post a message, convert all of the
periods to dashes for the address for the message.  Thus, if you wanted
to send your post to soc.culture.asian.american, you would mail it to
soc-culture-asian-american@ucbvax.berkeley.edu.

Only use the service if you have to (in the meantime, I'm trying to get
my mailer problems straightened out - - the local Usenet Sysadmin tells
me that I shouldn't be having the trouble I'm having).

I know . . . this doesn't have much to do with soc.culture.asian.american
type issues, but a couple people have asked me about it via e-mail in
regards to this group, so I'm posting my response here (assuming someone
else might be having similar temporary problems - - or other situations
and the like).

  All Hail Discordia,

  Brian David Phillips
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: GOP Adopts Buchanan's Wall Against Illegal Immigration
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:38:00 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american
Distribution: usa

nbyram@ocf.berkeley.edu (Nicholas Byram) writes:
|In article <7725@public.BTR.COM> timlee@public.btr.com writes:
|>According to a small article in a local newspaper, the Republican
|>Party has adopted into its platform Buchanan's proposal to build
|>a wall against illegal immigration.
|>
|>Such a wall can make it easier for politicians to reduce the number
|>of avenues of legal immigration. 
|
|And how in the hell does it do that?

By making it easier to enforce tighter restrictions against
immigration.

|                                      In fact, as jobs that illegals 
|often take become open (because of "the wall"), there may be an 
|economic desire to allow more legal immigration to fill them on the
|part of the business community.
|
|Pat Buchanan is full of bluster, but basically he is right on target.
|The illegal immigration mess is detrimental to both the United States
|and Mexico alike. 

The simplest way to solve the mess is to legalize it.  Instead of
going the roundabout way (build wall, see labor shortage, then
loosen restrictions against immigration) just do it.  That would
mean less wasted resources going to border patrols and the like.
 
|But in time, the free trade agreement will reduce the incentives to 
|illegal immigration (I part with Blustering Buchanan here).

What's wrong with augmenting free trade with free movement?
 
|>While the Republican in the
|>White House negotiates free trade of various products, other
|>Republicans work against the free movement of people.
|
|Tim, since when was there ever any guaranteed free movement of people
|across borders?  There is only free movement of people within this 
|nation.

So, what is wrong with letting people move freely in pursuit of
happiness?  I mean, the world has enough prisons (highly
repressive countries that do not allow emigration) and
private clubs (most other countries that restict immigration)
already.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: Caucasians don't understand
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:57:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.183617.21725@inmet.camb.inmet.com> lrq@fanny (Robert Quan) writes:
->
->Why is it that a majority of the non-orientals (caucasians) that post here
->all tend to have an optimistic view on racism.  
->How can anyone who doesn't know what it feels like to be harassed based on
->there race/culture understand.

#define mode satiric ON

it's a caucasian thing.  you wouldn't understand.

#define mode satiric OFF

->It seems to me that anyone lacking first hand experience at being the
->receiving end of extreme racism and be able to offer advice hypocrites.

i don't think the non-asians who have posted have offered "advice" on
extreme racism.  instead, we've given our opinions (and i'm not talking
about the iWannaAsianWoman'CauseI'mTooSexyForMySelf articles or
authors), explained our positions, and asked to be educated.

besides being a CF, i'm also handicapped.  does that count towards being
a member of a minority?  handicaps don't differentiate by race, y'know...

what if i was gay?  that would bring in another minority role membership...
would my perceptions be any more or any less valid than a gay asian's?

what if i was the only woman (warning!  stereotype follows) in a 
construction company and was constantly harassed because of my gender?
is that an acceptable minority role?  even though i am caucasian?

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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.motss
Subject: Re: AM/CM - Gay Colonialism?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:00:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug18.002440.15260@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
  <1992Aug18.023706.21423@csrd.uiuc.edu>

William Tsu-Yuk Hsu writes:
>Pompous, verbose, and dumb.

I think you've just stuffed Arthur Hu into a nutshell.  ;-)
 
() A man should be greater than some of his parts.
()      -- Peter DeVries
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From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: What Separates Us?
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:27:23 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <SHAW.92Aug14015434@whopper.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>In a previous post, I mentioned that the first order of business in
>actually creating an Asian-American identity as a group is commitment and
>definition.

>1. RACE and CULTURE
>2. SEX
>3. "FOB"'s vs. "ABAA"'s
>4. Geography
>5. Political Orientation
>6. Economic Status 

If you can manage to find a way of breaking down all these barriers
and create a coherent "Asian-American" identity, then why not go all
the way and create a coherent "American" identity that includes the 
"ruling classes."
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Vietnamese or Vietnamese Am? Re: College Dating Question and more...
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:50:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>	On the other hand, this is soc.culture.*asian*.american, so if
>John were to use Vietnamese American instead of just Vietnamese in his
>post, wouldnt these dating issues be somewhat revalent here?  Are
>Vietnamese Am in general not considered to be AA?  If so then what is an
>AA?  I have observed people using the terms Chinese Am, Japanese Am, and
>Korean Am, etc. but have rarely seen the term Vietnamese American used.
>(BTW Dwight Joe is the only person so far that uses the term Vietnamese
>Am in a post about laly thao being female).  Anyway is there a PC way to 
>address our Vietnamese friends? 


Concerning V-A, probably the main reason it is seldom used is that they
do not use the phrase very often to describe themselves.  This is not
to imply that ethnic Vietnamese who are American citizens do not
consider themselves American.  Maybe they find the phrase Vietnamese
American too cumbersome.  I find xxx-American terms cumbersome.

I always thought laly thao is Hmong.  I know countless Hmong with the
family name Thao.  I have never heard of a Vietnamese person named Thao.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: ORIENTALS???????
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:24:50 GMT
Organization: The RAND Corporation

In article <25446@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jscott@Aztecridge.LosGatos (John Scott) writes:
>Whenever I call an oriental "oriental", I always get told to say Asian
>instead.  I just don't understand what the big deal is with you
>orientals!!!  I always ask for a legitimate reason but never get one.  I
>hope someone on this newsgroup could give me a reasonable explanation. 
>Otherwise, I see nothing wrong with calling Korean, Chinese, and Japanese
>people "oriental."

You are going to get quick-fried to a crackly crunch for your posting,
so I'm not going to bother chastising you other than asking the
question:

    Why is an explanation required?  Don't you have enough respect
    for other people to follow their wishes when doing so is harmless
    to yourself?

End of sermon.

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,misc.talk.politics
From: kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee)
Subject: AAs at Republican Convention
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:05:26 GMT

I was kind of amused to see the relatively large
number of AAs at the Republican convention this
year.  Of course, since they bus "ringers" in to
fill the seats for TV purposes, it's not clear if
most of those AAs were actually voting delagates
or TV tokens brought in to give the place color.  
(More likely the latter, I would guess.)  
It was kind of sad to see that the only AA speaker
(that I saw anyway) was a stereotypical Korean-American
businessman (and mayor of some obscure suburb) 
who spoke about how he immigrated, started his small
family business, and made a fortune!  And of course,
he favored a strong military to oppose "communism
and repression" in his homeland.  
That's fine and dandy for him, but he surely is
not wholely reprensentative of the broad spectrum
of AA (even AA republican) views in general.  It
seems like he was selected to speak mainly to
reinforce the stereotypical image
and model minority expectation for AA immigrants.
Of course, the blacks and hispanics and whites at
that convention were not representative of typical
Americans either!  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Economics and Discrimination
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:32:03 GMT

What is quality?  How can it be measured?  Can it be measured?  Have you read
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: fester@etorofu.island.COM ()
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Originator: fester@etorofu
Organization: Island Graphics, Marin County, California
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:05:06 GMT


In article <1992Aug14.123933.26538@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

>  But JJ, you have a greater chance of marrying into it, than any
>  of us.  You're still white (remember or ozone-layer-challenged
>  conversation?)  And if you marry into the elite, your kids will
>  be elite.  You can still dress up in a Brooks Brother tweed
>  suit, impersonate a London accent and get accepted to the smoking
>  clubs there, if you want.  As for us, they'd spot us a mile
>  away and ask us for our passports or green cards.

Not hardly. THOSE sorts of clubs do background checks.

>>
>  But I heard that Marcus Allen (running back for the L.A.
>  Raiders) gets stopped by cops in his fancy sports car because
>  they think he's a drug dealer.  No matter how rich, famous,
>  and accomplished he is, all the cops see is a black man in
>  a Porsche, must be a drug dealer.  I bet they won't stop

Um, this is a misremembered incident. Someone reported Allen's car as stolen,
not realizing he was using it at the time. The police stopped him for that
reason. They did tell him to "get on the ground" while they checked his 
identity. they apologized, and Allen himself said he understood and no hard
feelings, etc. 

Now, I have yet to hear of anyone of ANY color being stopped in a "stolen 
car" and being treated any better than that. 

>  you if you were to tool around town in a Bimmer.  So admit
>  it JJ, it is slightly easier for you to get into the elite
>  because you can "pass".  It's harder for us to "pass".

If you are defining "elite" as above, then no, it is not easier. As I said, 
those sorts want to know "your people" and quite frankly don't care how 
close you are; you either are in or out.

If you don't understand THAT, then you don't understand "power elite" you 
decry.

Mike

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: sgan@hounix.org (Seng Gan)
Subject: Re: Cut out this "ORIENTAL" stuff, just call me "Chink" (Was Re: ORIENTALS???????)
Organization: Houston UNIX Users Group (HOUNIX), Houston, TX
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:51:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.214304.1976@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>In article <Bt566t.Gxv@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu) writes:
>	[Joe and Andy duking it out deleted.]
>>
>>Yeah ... will someone explain to me why oriental is less PC than
>>asian. I grew up using the word oriental and still do. The first 
>>time I ever heard of anyone complaining about it was here on the
>>net.
>>
>>-leon.
>
>I thought I had just posted this last week...  Here goes again:
>						--Alan
>
>
My white friend ask me whether he should call me as oriental or Asian.
I told him call me whatever he wants since he is the minority of the world...
AA thinks he/she is minority in usa.
Asians think they are the majority of the world.
Perception is reality........
Seng C. Gan
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:37:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.134428.10334@bnr.ca> thao@bnr.ca (Laly) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.034552.2450@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>
>>Wait a sec.
>>
>>Mr. Thao, I recall that there was a Vietnamese-American lady who
>>worked at BNR.  She posted about 6 months ago, complaining of
>>boredom and disinterest in her job.  To use her words, she
>>was "tired of fighting the switches"; she apparently was testing
>>digital switches at the time.
>>
>>I had suggested that she come to California to work as a 
>>spokesmodel for Nissan.

Apparently, she must have taken your advice.  While I'm on the subject of
your suggestions, I have indeed been thinking about writing short stories,
maybe for children.  Whether or not they'll be humorous is up to the reader,
I guess.

Yeah, I'll probably make a point or two about prejudice or awareness in
them.  Can't help it, I guess.

>>I'm sure that Mr. Pak has her post backed up somewhere.  Perhaps,
>>he could refresh our memories.

I certainly do.  She was a refreshing breath of fresh air on this newsgroup,
wasn't she?  In fact, I still have posts of hers from her undergrad days
at U of XXX.

>well, i tried locating her a few seconds ago.  apparently, she is no
>longer here at bnr.

That's too bad.  But I guess that's good for her.

Well, I would give out her name, but in the spirit of scaa, the group where
everybody has something to hide, whether it be their real name or their
ethnicity or the ethnicity of their SO or whatever......

I'm not going to tell you.  :-) :-) :-)

Jim
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Racial Beating
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:50:50 GMT

In article @engin.umich.edu, kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu (Michael F. Kamprath) writes:
>|In article <1992Aug20.134459.24076@natinst.com> Osbert Tan, fellow@natinst.com writes:
>|>My question to the net is, how do you deal with this type of situation
>|>(i.e. racial slur), at the same time coming out of it with honor/dinity
>|>(you fill in the appropriate word(s)) intact and ALIVE ?
>|>
>|>-Osbert
>|
>|Why would one need to defend his honor from those type of guys anyways?  The
>|Vietnamese guy's actions were probaly just what the thugs wanted.  Sometimes,
>|"restraint is the better part of valore."  I can understand the "heat of the
>|moment," I've been in that position plenty of times myself.  But when you
>|are 19, in Med-school and surrounded by 10+ losers, defending your honor
>|is a senseless and a lost cause because it will do you no good (and it didn't).  
>|
>|From a tatical point of view, his best move would have been to retreat and
>|regroup (gather friends).  But that is starting to sound like gang violence.
>|
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>||       I still believe he can change his own destiny.                 |
>||                                 --Michael Peters (The Alarm)         |
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But, sometimes the situation is such that those losers probably were not 
going to take no for an answer.  When young boys feel the call of their 
hormones, it is hard to walk out of there intact regardless of your actions.

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From: tnguyen@nml1sun.hsc.usc.edu (Trudy Nguyen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: GOP Adopts Buchanan's Wall Against Illegal Immigration
Date: 22 Aug 1992 15:55:17 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: nml1sun.hsc.usc.edu
From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....)
Subject: Re: Call For New FAQ
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:08:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.193532.1173@overload.lbl.gov> rhlu@ux5.lbl.gov (richard lu) writes:
>Clare sez:  
>>>Scene 8:
>> 1)  The assertive,professional and over-30 AAF who has read all
>> the books on "how to get a man", will professionally and crisply
>> announce, "You know, I find you quite interesting, why don't
>> we get together for dinner some time?  Are you free Friday,
>> good, let me make a note of that on my HP personal date-tracker."

>to which Robert replies:
>>Never happen in a million years.
>Au contraire, my friend!  My friend Cyndi fits Clare's description 
>PERFECTLY !  I was totally amazed, when I got to Scene 8, at the 
>accuracy of it all.

	But it ain't gonna happen to >ME<!

>But life is funny (hilarious, in this case) -->  Cyndi's living with
>her CM boyfriend (oops- sorry for the redundancy)

	See!  See! See what I mean!!

-- 
Roger Tang gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
Executive Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW;
	The definition of having balls is a non-singer who goes karaoke singing 
with the cast of a musical revue.
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re:  Eye/Hair Color
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:38:39 GMT
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238

melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Melinda Cheung) writes:

> 
> 	bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield) :
> 	> I don't know if this helps, but my High School Senior 
> 	> English teacher had one brown eye and one blue eye...
> 
> Was your teacher David Bowie?  :^)  :^)
> 
> 	Melinda

David Bowie?  Does David Bowie have one brown and one blue eye? Nope, 
'twasn't Bowie (now wouldnt HE make an interesting teacher...), though 
her last name is the same as our school's mascot/character...
:::::Larry:::::

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american