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From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Subject: Re: Gower Strikes ......
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:37:13 GMT

In article <1SEP199210201765@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> diwadkva@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Vaibhav A. Diwadkar) writes:
>I am surprised what follows hasn't come up on the net thus far.
>
>Apparently David Gower has came out with his autobiography last week and
>there are some interesting things in it (so I've heard).  It has the
>obligatory (and perhaps expected) digs at Gooch and Mickey Stewart but
>has a more potent bombshell.  The Golden Boy alleges that India doctored
>the ball on its '90 tour of England.  In case you are trying to recall
>some fabulous bowling performances by India which may have elicited
>Gower's ire, think long, think wrong.  This was England's summer with
>the bat.  Goochie aggregated 700+ in 6 innings, 456 runs in the first
>test alone.  Robyn Smith averaged 250+ (I think) for the series since
>India refused to take his wicket, Lamb and Atherton had I think three
>tons between them and lastly Gower booked his ticket to Oz with a
>(gratuitous?) ton in the third test.
>
>Looks like the Indians have much to learn from Wasim et al. about
>doctoring the ball? :-)
>
>A friend and I were discussing the possibility that Gower had his dates
>wrong and intended to rubbish the Indis of '86.  That Indian team
>walloped Gower's team 2-0 (could have been a 3-0 sweep but for rain).
>But perhaps Gower wishes it be known that even after doctoring the ball
>India had to endure what it did in '90.  A sage warning, given that
>England are due in India in 6 months time?
>
>On the subject of doctoring, Robin Marlar in a recent edition of the
>Sunday Times alleges that Wasim and Waqar have been indulging in
>"questionable practices" for some time now and that their county
>captains have been aware of it.  Of course "questionable practices"
>is a fairly broad euphemism and could mean anything.  Methinks
>Marlar didn't want the tabloids to steal a march on him but that he
>didn't want to risk a lawsuit either.  A case of having your bitter
>pill and swallowing it too?
>

Well, I have to say this is a bit of a storm in a teacup. All Gower says in
his book (well worth a read, BTW) is that on that tour the Indians were warned
for doctoring the ball during one of the Tests. It's said as a
reminiscence, nothing more: there's no further comment on it.
Unfortunately, some prat book reviewer from the tabloids (who could
actually read!) paid a bit of attention, and found this "shocking revelation."
It certainly would have been better if Gower hadn't mentioned it, but it takes
up about 15 words in over 100,000 in the book. Also worth mentioning that
this book (unlike Lamb's ouburst) was cleared by Lords. Not worth the fuss at
all...


The Wisp.
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From: ramana@unislc.uucp (Ramana Ramachandran)
Subject: Re: Accusations of Cheating
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:01:06 GMT

Paul M Corballis (pmc5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug26.153230@axion.bt.co.uk> dgrove@axion.bt.co.uk (David Grove) writes:
: 
: Does Hat-trick come from cricket?  I've a feeling it does.
: 
: Cheers, Paul

Oops ! doesn't the name suggest a magical connection :-) :-)

ramana
From: theagarajan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
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Subject: Hundreds by Rival skippers
Date: 30 Aug 92 11:30:50 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


There is one other occasion when the rival captains scored century.

In 1979,at Bombay,  Gavaskar : 205
                    Kallicharan : 187.



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From: u1065904@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (Michael Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Bradman Song (long)
Reply-To: u1065904@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, University of New South Wales
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:41:33 GMT

There is another Bradman song which most Aussies would have heard of:

		"Our Don Bradman"

Who is it that all Australia raves about?
Who is it that earns our highest praise?
Is it Amy Johnson, or little Mickey Mouse?
No it's just a country lad who's bringing down the house.

	'Cause he's our Don Bradman
	Now I ask you is he any good?
	Our Don Bradman
	As a batsman he is certainly plum pud'
	
Oh when he goes into bat,
He knocks every record flat,
Oh there isn't anything he cannot do.

Our done Bradman,
What a welcome waits for you back home.
 
Tate and Larwood met their fate,
`Cause it's always shut the gate,
As the boy from Bowral hits four after four.

Our Don Bradman,
Every Aussie dips his lid to you!

		---------------------------------	

Anyway I thing that's how it goes, but apologies if it is wrong because it's off the top of my head.

POG
From: moghal@aludra.usc.edu (Nadeem Moghal)
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Subject: Re: Cricketers nad their books
Date: 27 Aug 1992 17:58:28 -0700
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In article <karnik.714937064@giga> karnik@giga.cs.umn.edu (Neeran M. Karnik) writes:

>	I've just finished reading "Bradman" by A.G. Moyes. The author was
>one of the New South Wales selectors responsible for introducing Bradman to
>big-time cricket...

>	The book was pretty revealing to me. I had very little idea that 
>Bradman was pretty unpopular among the critics (and possibly his teammates)
>in his playing days. He was involved in many controversies, only a couple of
>which I had heard about...

This is really a very interesting observation. Most of us talk of these
giants of yester years as if they were absolute saints, and nothing
could ever cross their minds which was even minutely unpraiseworthy.
Opinions like this are very enlightening.

I have read a number of anecdotes related to the Don; one of them comes
to mind now. It is more of an attribute of his self-discipline than any
character greatness.

In one of his English tours, he once retired early in the evening. He
had apparently failed in the first innings of the on-going test. There
was a knock on his door, and one of his old friends/acquaintances was
there to see him. Bradman excused himself with a "I'm sorry but I need
to take some rest now; 'have to score a hundred tomorrow."

And his score was an unbeaten 200+ at stumps the next day.


>The book was disappointing in that the constant 
>effort of the author is to defend Bradman against his critics, to praise him 
>to high heaven, and to make nasty comments about the armchair critics who
>dared say a word against the Don. 

It would be interesting to try and figure out what must be the reason
for his seeming unpopularity amongst those whose opinions matter. He
was an exceptionally gifted batsman, very reliable and trustworthy. As
a captain he could get the best out of his teammates; he had the best
test record as a skipper. 

What, then, did people have to say things against him?

Any ideas?


>	Coincidentally, today is the Don's 84th birthday! So here's wishing 
>him all the best on his way to the century....

Incidently, he was a very respected cricket official after his retire-
ment, and was an active part of the domestic cricket (in an official
capacity, of course) until very recently.


>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Neeran  Karnik  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Nadeem Moghal
USC
From: csp48@seq1.keele.ac.uk (J.W. Kirriemuir)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: HOW THE PAKIS CHEATED
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:48:49 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

HOW THE PAKIS CHEATED
by Mickey Mouse, England's Team Manager

YES! The Pakis cheated. That was the only explanation for England's
shock defeat in the last Test.
	As England team manager, I was in a unique position to see for
myself the disgraceful below-the-belt tactics employed by the Pakistani
bowlers, Wassim Howzat, Wakki Yurout and Yosser Mustache.
	I can reveal the Pakis deliberately bowled :
* Really fast
* At the stumps
* Spinning it as well.
	The result was that the batsman could not see the ball, let
alone hit it, and was thus put in an impossible position. I say these
cheats should be strung up and sent home.

(Copyright M. Mouse, SunTrash)


		TEST MATCH SCORE IN FULL
		      1st Innings:

Pakistan			798-0 Declared
(Mianmigirl 700 n.o.)
England				13 All Out	
(Yosser 10 for 1)

		      2nd Innings:

England 			0 All Out
(Yurout 10 for 0)

	
	Pakistan won by Innings and 785 runs


[Article from Private Eye, 14th August 1992]
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
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Subject: Re: World's worst fielder
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 21:11:32 GMT
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How about Hirwani from India.
and as a marginal choice Arshad Ayub.


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They carry less weight  than their volume would suggest.
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From: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Deloitte Rankings
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:22:30 GMT
Reply-To: srd@ukc.ac.uk (S.R.Davies)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.


     Someone writes :
>>
>>These rankings have never made sense to me.I was recently seeing the 
>>vedio of first match of India-England series of 1990.At that time 
>>Atherton was ranked 6th in the world(ahead of Gooch(11th) and 
>>Azhar(13th))and he had played just 8 test matches before that.
>
     The Deloitte Rankings are updated at the end of each Test Series. I
 don't know what algorithm is used to compute a players ranking, but I
 know that it is weighted in favour of the most recent performances. Prior
 to the 1990 series against India, Atherton had just had a very successful
 series against NZ ( 1x100+ and 3x50+ in 5 innings). Incidentally, he had
 not played 8 Tests until after the series against India, which was also
 a good one for him. After 2 Tests against Aus., 3 against NZ, and 3 against
 India, he had a Test average of about 54. This is why he went quickly up
 the rankings, although I didn't think he got as high as 6th (I thought
 he got to about 15th).

     Regards, Steve.
From: aapfl6!zulfiqar@aapfl1.attmail.com
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Subject: PAK, ENG  ONE DAYS ON PPV
Date: 28 Aug 1992 12:38:35 -0500
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        England vs Pakistan One Day Internationals would be televised
        in the state of New York on various cable companies on

                FRIDAY    AUGUST 28   03:00 PM (ET)     4th MATCH
                SATURDAY  AUGUST 29   03:00 PM (ET)     5th MATCH

        Call your cable company to sign up for these games on PPV.
        The charge for one game is $19.95

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From: s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith)
Subject: AusVSthP
Organization: Monash University College Gippsland, Churchill, 3842, Australia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:43:44 GMT

Australia ended all out in their second innings for 204 and then Southern
Province played out time to be 2/34 at the close being set ~340 to win in 1
session.
DRAW.

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From: shiv@west.rs.com (Shiv)
Subject: Re: Aus V SL
Reply-To: shiv@west.rs.com
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:25:05 PDT

Yes! it is surprising that SL did not go for the target of 286 off minimum of
62 overs. They are known for their daredevil approach, and I wonder why they
settled in for a draw.

During India's last trip to SL (when Kapil was the captain), India was struggling
in its second innings. Vengsarkar held one end up, and for the last wicket, he
and Maninder could hang on till the 5th mandatory over when Maninder was finally
out. This left SL a target of 111 in 11 overs.

SL opened with Arvinda de Silva (then very young in his debut series) and skipper
Duleep Mendis and went for it. The first ball of the innings from Kapil was hooked 
for a six by Arivinda. Kapil's first over cost 18 runs. Chetan Sharma was a little 
less expensive conceding 14 runs. By the end of the 4th over, SL were around 48
when Mendis got out. There was panic on the field, with the manager ML Jaishma
coming in between the overs to offer some advice. The situation appeared to go
out of Kapil's control, and interestingly, Gavaskar took over setting the field
etc. In the 5th over, Arvinda too got out, and by the end of the 8th over, SL 
had lost 4 wickets, after which they gave up the chase. But, that was a day, the
Indians got a real scare.

In article 13487@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au, s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith) writes:
>SL ended up 2/136  Mcdermott took 2 wickets, after being set 286 to win off a
>minimum of 62 overs.
>
>I must say I am surprised at SL, I would have thought they would have gone for
>it, 4.5 runs per over is like a good one dayer target, and given that they are
>1 nil down, I thought they would of least tried and maybe given up if wickets
>started to fall to quickly.
>
>Admittingly Border must have felt fairly safe because he declared the innings
>closed setting SL such a target, he may have been hoping for a suicidal
>approach from the Sri Lankans similar to the first test.
>
>Another thing, on the highlights that I'm getting on the nightly news, I see
>in the background very, VERY empty stands, what's the story?  5 years without
>home cricket made the people lose interest or something.  A newspaper report
>here said that a couple of days ago the crowd was about 55 of which 50 were
>Aussies on a tour with former team manager Ian McDonald, I dare say this may
>not be totally accurate but from the TV replays it didn't look far from the
>mark at all
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From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Bradman's unpopularity ....
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 18:45:36 GMT
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In article <1992Aug30.181651.21900@leland.Stanford.EDU>, urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan) writes:
>In article <l9quhkINNj7e@aludra.usc.edu> moghal@aludra.usc.edu (Nadeem Moghal) writes (about Don Bradman) :
>>
>>It would be interesting to try and figure out what must be the reason
>>for his seeming unpopularity amongst those whose opinions matter. 
>>
>
           <some stuff deleted from here and there>

>One pre-war gripe I do remember is that Clarrie Grimmett (who, with 216
>wickets in 36 Tests, had an impressive strike rate) blamed Bradman for
>his being dropped from the Test team for the series against England in 
>either 1936-37 or 1938. Grimmett was old (40+?) but he came into the Test
>game late, and had just had a very successful tour of South Africa (when
>Bradman didn't go). I don't remember the source of the dispute between the
>two.

I am adding some to this thread, simply because I too read a book which was
much in the same vein. I have no personal opinions on this matter. To me,
Bradman is Bradman, the great batsman. That's it. Just like Gavaskar is
Gavaskar the master-batsman to many non-Indians, but all Indians do not exactly
idolate him. 

Bill O'Reilly in his autobiography talks about Bradman and, believe me, there
was not much love lost between the two. O'Reilly played alongside Bradman for
much of his career. While the author, famed leg-spinner from Australia, does
not hesitate to appreciate Bradman's wizardry with the willow, he does not
mince words when he says that Bradman and he were never good friends. He makes
it clear right at the beginning of the book. 

There seemed to be a lot of selfishness, apparent to colleagues, in Bradman's
approach to the game. Uday has pointed out that while Miller and co played the
game for the sheer joy of it, Bradman was more mercenary and did not hesitate
to put self before the team. O'Reilly reflects the same sentiments. Clarrie
Grimmett's inexplicable exclusion was a major blow to the bowling dept on the
england tour. Though Grimmett was in his forties, he had been top wicket-taker
consistently, and his wiles were better than ever. And O'Reilly and Grimmett
had formed a remarkable combination, which was broken under Bradman. The bowler
who replaced Grimmett was not worth his salt, according to O'Reilly. 

-Murali

                               Murali Iyer 

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From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: Aus V SL
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:16:09 GMT

In <10099@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> sarge@cs.uq.oz.au (The Lemming) writes:

| If stacking people in the slips makes for a lower total,
| then you would see it in the one-day games.

Its been done, but that wasn't the point, which was that by stacking
people in the slips you can take wickets, which is muct more important
in a test than in a one day game where you want to limit runs scored.

Sure if there are lots of people in the slips it can be not too hard to
score, but its risky - in a test if the score mounts, the fielding
side can go very defensive, and play for a draw (give up the hope of
winning).   That's not a strategy that works well in one day games.

| Also, putting 10 people on the 
| boundary almost guarentees getting 6 runs (6 singles) per over.

But unless the batting side needs 8 or 10 an over you'd never stick
10 back there (probably unless they needed 15 an over, and just one
or two overs to go).  But you might stick 6 or 7 back, with just
2 or 3 (plus bowler and keeper) in single saving positions (mid wicket,
cover, etc), then while singles would come, there wouldn't be 6 an over.
In a one day game the limit is 5 on the boundary, which means there's
always somewhere you can get through and score the odd four to make keep
things moving.

| Scoring only 130 off 54 overs is not a batting display worth mentioning.

Unless you know more about the pitch conditions in the match than I do
I don't think you can say that.  True it didn't look dangerous in the
sense of wicket loss (just 3 wickets all day), but the pitch may have
been keeping very low or something, making scoring quite difficult.

kre
From: moghal@aludra.usc.edu (Nadeem Moghal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: First Test - Score card - Australia v/s Sri Lanka
Date: 27 Aug 1992 18:09:33 -0700
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In article <0095F9E4.41B490A0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:

>
>			Australia vs. Sri Lanka.
>			      First Test.
>
>AUSTRALIA. Second innings.
>
>T. Moody                           b. Ramanayake             13
>M. Taylor      c. Gurusinha        b. Anurasiri              43
>D. Boon        c. Ranatunga        b. Anurasiri              68
>D. Jones                           Run Out                   57
>M. Waugh       c. Kaluwitharane    b. Wickremasinghe         56
>A. Border      c. Gurusinha        b. Anurasiri              15
>G. Matthews    c. Kaluwitharane    b. Ramanayake             64
>I. Healy                         lbw. Hathurusinghe          12
>C. McDermott                     lbw. Ramanayake             40
>S. Warne                           b. Anurasiri              35
>M. Whitney                         Not Out                   10
>
>Extras (1 w, 34 nb, 23 lb)                                   58
>                                                           ----
>Total                                                       471


Has anyone noticed that all eleven players in the Australian second
innings reached double figures?

It is a pretty rare occurence in test history. In fact, there wouldn't
be more than handful of such instances. I can think of one:

Ind vs Pak  1952-53  It was the last test, probably played at Calcutta.
Deepak Shodhan made his debut for India, with a 110. He was the top
scorer.

I am sure there was one isntance in the Ind-WI series of 1982-83 too.

Also, the "feat" of giving away more than 50 extras used to be 
pretty rare once; but now, when the number of speedsters in every
team is constantly on the rise, this is "achieved" quite frequently.

Nadeem Moghal
USC
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:29:22 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Hundreds by rival skippers (Was: 3+ hundreds ...
 <l9r067INNlsn@aludra.usc.edu> <l9r1glINNoqs@aludra.usc.edu>

o.k., the (almost) complete list of rival skippers scoring 100's in the
same match:

h. w. taylor (109) SA         durban    1913-14
j. w. h. t. douglas (119) Eng

a. e. chapman (121) Eng       lords     1930
w. m. woodfull (155) Aus

w. r. hammond (240) Eng       lords     1938
d. g. bradman (102*) Aus

a. melville (103) SA          durban    1938-39
w. r. hammond (104) Eng

l. hutton (145) Eng           lords     1953
a. l. hasset (104) Aus

p. b. h. may (117) Eng        old trafford   1956
d. j. mcglew (104*) SA

d. j. mcglew (120) SA         johannesburg   1961-62
j. r. reid (142) NZ

e. r. dexter (174) Eng        old trafford   1964
r. b. simpson (311) Aus

g. s. sobers (113*) WI        kingston   1967-68
m. c. cowdrey (101) Eng

w. m. lawry (151) Aus         sydney    1968-69
g. s. sobers (113) WI

g. s. sobers (142) WI         bridgetown   1972-73
b. e. congdon (126) NZ

r. b. kanhai (105) WI         bridgetown   1972-73
i. m. chappell (106*) Aus

i. m. chappell (145 & 121*) Aus   wellington    1973-74
b. e. congdon (132) NZ

s. m. gavaskar (205) Ind      bombay       1978-79
a. i. kallicharan (187) WI

g. s. chappell (235) Aus      faisalabad   1980-81
j. m. miandad (106*) Pak

i. khan (117) Pak             faisalabad   1982-83
s. m. gavaskar (127*) Ind

c. h. lloyd (143) WI          port-of-spain    1982-83
kapildev (100*) Ind

a. r. border (106) Aus        madras       1986-87
kapildev (119) Ind

m. gatting (100) Eng          adelaide     1986-87
a. r. border (100*) Aus

i. khan (119) Pak             oval         1987
m. gatting (150) Eng

d. b. vengsarkar (102) Ind    delhi        1987-88
i. v. a. richards (109*) WI

g. gooch (333 & 123) Eng      lords        1990
m. azharuddin (179?) Ind

this list is almost complete. two or three instances are missing. any
corrections/additions to the list can be emailed to me or posted on rsc.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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