HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Homoeroticism on Northern Exposure
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:33:24 GMT
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division

In article <1993Jan27.164638.20841@netcom.com> duhon@netcom.com (Joey Duhon) writes:

>now chris passionately kissing what he perceives to be another man...

Oh, but see, that has *nothing* to do with homosexuality at *all* ...
after all, his target turned out to be a woman after all, and he was
just subconsciously picking up on her feminine cues, that's all it
was, right, so you're just being PC and homo-supremacist for even
suggesting such a perfectly absurd thing, etc. etc. ad nauseam ...

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: 00bbharris@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: WHAT MAKES REN & STIMPY RAGING HOMOS??
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:34:30 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's



For those of yo who are just totally in the closet (ooops...)
let me be the one to inform you just what happened on REN & STIMPY that
constituted me as saying that they are two raging homos...

In the 13th and latest episode, showed roughly 2 weeks ago on MTV's
R&S marathon, Stimpy let out his first fart... and subsequently called it
his "friend."  Well, soon his friend left him and Stimpy was sad.
				.........

For 6 months, Stimpy stood in the doorway in the raging cold awaiting for 
his friend to come back home.   In attempts to cheer him up, Ren 
pointed to the mistletoe on the door, batted his eyelashes, cuddled up to
Stimpy, and puckered up for a big wet one..
				..........

Stimpy, then shouted "Is that all you ever think about???!"
				..........

Now, if your friend beckoned you for a big, wet kiss.. wouldn't you at 
least wonder if he was gay????   And since they've done ths before
(i wonder) it makes you think....

This and all the times Ren has had to button up the butt of Stimpy's pajamas,
and he doesn't sem to mind....

Face it, folks... Ren and Stimpy are part of the Family of Sisters

brandon

send flames if u so desire....
From: jcav@kimbark.uchicago.edu (JohnC)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: one Senator's opinion (was Re: Actionary Activism (NY))
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:57:40 GMT
Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things

In article <1993Jan26.200803.4231@news.columbia.edu> jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:
>If it's time to act (instead of react), how shall we start? Obviously NY
>State needs a nondiscrimination law covering orientation. We need to visit
>Sen. Moynihan and Sen. D'Amato while we're in DC. Is anyone organizing
                   ^^^  ^^^^^^^
The radio played part of one of D'Amato's Senate floor speeches.  Here's a
paraphrase:

    Private life is not an issue.  Job performance is the only issue.  I
    know my position is a controversial one.  I support allowing
    homosexuals to join the military.

The commentator said that D'Amato is the only Republican Senator to have come
out in favor of President Clinton's position.  The commentator also said that
Senate Majority Leader Mitchell has told Clinton that he can only guarantee
30 _Democratic_ senatorial votes in favor of lifting the ban.  On the other
hand, the position in the House was said to be more favorable, with Speaker
Foley strongly supporting Clinton, and the fact of the huge "freshman class"
making it likely that there would be lots of good votes.


-- 
JohnC | queer person | jcav@midway.uchicago.edu | B0 f++ w c+ g++ k+ s++ e h- p
From: eanthony@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Esposito Anthony)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Last night on TV
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:46:20 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University

In article <1993Jan27.212417.14297@convex.com>, cgraham@convex.com (Chip Graham) writes:
> In article <1993Jan27.154958.29918@news.cs.brandeis.edu> pratt@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> >Did anyone see and have a reaction to last night's "First Person with
> >Maria Shriver"? I think the title was something cheesy like "The Gay
> >Nineties" with a sensational subtitle. I only saw about the last half
> >and have random comments.
> >
> >I was especially struck by the theme of "Churchiness"...
> ...
> >potential situations of oppression. In my opinion, and in this I am unanimous,
> >deliver me from Dignity, Integrity, Concerned Lutherans, MCC...
>  
> IMHO you missed the whole point of the program. Yes, there were some references
> to 'CHURCH' as in MCC, but the general drift of the information was that we
> as gays/lesbians are pretty mainstream America. I didn't see it as trying to
> gain us some sort of respect because we have certain beliefs or that we try to
> gain acceptance by belonging to some sort of para-church organization.

The program made very clear the fact that churches are actively
persecuting gay people.  I was struck by the visual irony of the
juxtaposition of gays worshipping, taking communion and even being
joined in some kind of holy matrimony along side the image of gays being
persecuted and villified through the authority of a "cozy" community
church in Kentucky. If these images don't foment a secular revolution,
then nothing does.  G. Pratt is right: from churches, liberat nos de malo
Txao
Toni Esposito 
Modern Languages and Linguistics
Northeastern University
Boston, MA 02115
eanthony@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Melmon, pro or con
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:36:59 GMT

In article <93027.231217SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>I offered to throw Matt a dinner at Sung Hai if he comes East,
>even if he and I are the only two to attend.

If you're there, I'll be there.  Who cares about what's his name?
You, on the other hand....

Ry
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: Re: Wall St Journal on Colo...
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 09:22:15 GMT

nickn@eskimo.com (Nick Nussbaum) writes:
| The article did go on to point on that Colorado has had an unusually
| busy ski season due to good snow.

Actually, if you look at the ski reports, most Colorado resorts
are reporting bases in the 30s (inches), while California and
Utah resorts are reporting bases between 120 and 180 inches.
Seems even the snow is boycotting Colorado...

-- 
Tom Chatt                        \   Don't take offense, take action.
Internet: tom@flood.com           \    Speak up. When we remain silent,
UUCP: ...!uunet!flood!tom        / \     we oppress ourselves.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Goals, Strategies, Tactics
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:23:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.131625.7630@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes: 

   The answer to fascism is to push a better program.  What the
   fascists have that we don't have is single-mindedness and
   excellent organization.  Liberals by their nature are always
   weak on organization.

As you pointed out elsewhere, a clearly defined set of goals, a
global set of actions for achieving them, and a local set of actions
to accomplish the global set are necessary.  I'm not sure our, or
liberals, or anyone's failure to implement that kind of structure has
much to do with any natures other than their human nature and the
messy nature of reality.

Granted, the more limited one's goals, the less time one spends
discussing what they ought to be.  Both the diversity of our community
and the closet work against our formulating a set of ideals that are
easy to fight for.  Just look at the flak over certain clauses in the
MOW platform.  Or how we deal with closeted individuals.  Or the
discussion of Stonewall.  And, at this point, we have a number of
organizations advocating aspects of our situation, each with differing
goals, strategies, and tactics. 

By knowing what they want and having some idea about how to get it,
both nationally and locally, our opponents successfully engage us at
the tactical, short-term, local level:  Oregon, Colorado, Ohio.  Prior
to the presidential election, much of our success was also local:
various cities and states.  But while our successes were principally
due to local efforts, their actions are part of a larger structure
involving "charitable" foundations, networks of "fundamentalist"
churches, and "conservative" politics. 

As long as we continue to disagree about our objectives and how to
know when we've achieved them, we'll continue to operate tactically,
not strategically.  Our goals oughta be simple:  Gay Rights = Civil
Rights = Equal Rights.  Now, how do we get there?  And how will we
know when we've arrived?

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
From: babyd@protein.uh.edu (baby djojonegoro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Maya Angelou's poem
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:54:39 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: protein.bchs.uh.edu

In article <1993Jan24.193239.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> hjanules@hamp.hampshire.edu  
writes:
> Does anyone have a copy of Maya Angelou's inaugural poem?  I don't read the
> paper, so if someone has a published copy, could they please post it? . . .


I just read in the paper that Random House is planning to publish hardback  
editions of it.  This poem never fails to move me whenever I hear or read it.

Baby D.
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sexual harassment from queers
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:10:44 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Kenny Campbell (kc2@doc.ic.ac.uk) writes:

>I also get mightily pissed off by some gay mens' atitude to women
>generally, and lesbians specifically.  Maybe this is just a British or
>even Scottish thing, but it could well be the case elsewhere.

It's elsewhere.  Many, many gay men look at the presence of women in the bars
they frequent as an intrusion.  I know of some bar owners who allegedly
allow minimal airtime of music by female performers, as that might encourage
women in the bar; it goes both ways, though, as there are women's bars which
won't play any music by male performers, lest men come to the bar.  I also
know of a Lesbian newspaper which won't allow male subscribers, as the paper
is by and for women; they sell it at A Different Light, though, where men can
purchase it just fine.

Frankly, I look down on any of this exclusiveness.  When I dance with someone,
it is because they can dance, and want to dance; gender doesn't enter into
it.  I'll dance with willing women as readily as with men; orientation is also
not a factor.  (I will, however, more eagerly pursue dancing with men whom I
find sexually appealing.)  The main club I dance at (every Tuesday) has a large
women's population (as much as 40%, some nights).  I strongly doubt that if
all those women were not present, that they would be replaced by men; even if
they were, I doubt that many of those men are ones I would want to dance with.
(If for no other reason, the fact that they stayed away because there were
*women* in the bar means that there woudl almost certainly be personality
conflicts.)

I still maintain that the most significant difference between men and women is
that women can print their names in the snow.

------------------------------
                             |     I heard gunshots from the kitchen, and raced
Jim Drew                     | in to find Sheriff David pointing a now-unloaded
jrd@frame.com                | police revolver at the refrigerator.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "I got it!" he said.  "I got the monster!"
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     I gingerly opened the refrigerator.  A week
B(2)h t c k g+(p) rv p e     | without power had left the insides pretty scary,
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | but I saw no monster.  I pulled out a package of
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | shot-up cheese, instead.
                             |     "I think you got the meunster, Sheriff."
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Broken Bokken"
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tim@research.nj.nec.com (Tim Van Der Avoird)
Subject: Re: Looking for YAZZ "Wanted" CD or tape
Originator: tim@mercury
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 21:04:17 GMT

In article <Jan.21.15.13.17.1993.27031@math.rutgers.edu> bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez) writes:

>Yazz, featuring a girl with short white hair, whose name I cannot remember,
>indeed had an album "Wanted" featuring "Stand Up..." and "The Only Way...".
>Domestically, it was out about 88/89.  I think that the songs were first
>released in Britain at least a year earlier.  I think that the CD was
>available, but I think has been long discontinued.  It was bright yellow
>with squiggly blue and pink writing.  I recall the lead singer going solo
>after the project, recording under her real name.

Almost right. Yazz in fact was the name of the lead singer and so she
went solo using this name. Nevertheless, she did vocals on at least
one track (Docterin' the House) by Coldcut before that. "Wanted" is
still available in the Netherlands for midprice. I am not sure about
the States.

Tim
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: soc.motss and MOW
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:04:29 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, NJ, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In article <C0o680.AF3@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:

I'll be at any dinner/party/orgy that soc.motsseurs plan MOW93 weekend!

>Are there any other motssi who are planning to participate in the
>CD on April 26?  "Might like you betta if we were arrested together."

I'm giving it serious thought.  I haven't been arrested for a good
cause in a long time.

Tom
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
Heros falling to the ground / like hell's magnet / pulls me down / on my knees
/ I try to please his eyes / his idol eyes. / Jerking motions won't revive him
/ mouth to mount resusitation / I just lay down beside him / and idolize.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.motss
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!)
Subject: Fighting fundies
Summary: A sinister idea.....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:06:47 GMT
Keywords: fundamentalists, struggle, discrimination

I was just sitting here, reading soc.motss, and I have noticed a number of men-
tions of the same thing:  These fundie groups that are trying to make our lives
a hell are "non-profit"!  Now, I may be wrong here, but is it not required for
a non-profit organization to abstain from any political activity?  I'm probably
being naive here, but couldn't a few calls to attorney generals regarding the
activities of trash like OCA, CFV, etc. possibly result in some investigation?
At the least, if they were questioned or accused on this, they might have to 
divert some of their funds to staying in operation.

Another idea:  Why not try to drain the fundies' pocketbooks a little bit each
day on our own?  A few months ago, someone mentioned sending lead weights to
them through business reply mail?  What about sending lots of letters, without
return address, postage due?  How about calling their 1-800 numbers (Do they
have any?) incessantly, thus a.driving up their phone bills(maybe) and b.tying
up their lines and operators' time?

All these things are free.  I don't know if they would work; maybe someone has
tried some or all of this before.  But anyone who has any other ideas, let us
know.  I think the only way these hate groups are going to lose is if they run
out of money.  So why not help them run out of money?

Just a few thoughts...

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From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Complete Text of Am 2 Injunction Ruling
Date: 27 Jan 1993 09:55:12 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hey, guess what I found at the NIFTY site?  The entire text of
Judge Bayless' ruling on the injunction against Amendment 2.
For anyone who has been curious to read the entire ruling,
it's in /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/colorado at nifty.andrew.cmu.edu
(128.2.35.7).

If you aren't too familiar with ftp'ing, just type the following 
commands (on the right): 
  
[first:]                      ftp 128.2.35.7
[then at ftp prompt type:]    login anonymous
[at password prompt:]         (type in your email address here)
[once logged on:]             cd /pub/QRD/qrd/rights/colorado
[then:]                       get injuction.transcript

[when done:]                  quit


If the "get" command doesn't work for you, try "recv" or "receive."

-maria


Xref: sparky soc.motss:58337 pnw.motss:150
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: GLAAD: "The Crying Game"
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:39:38 EST
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GLAAD/LA Reports
February '93 Issue
Carl Matthes, Editor
(213) 254-2726 - FAX (213) 257-5878


An intriguing movie...
"The Crying Game"

  One of the most interesting and intriguing movies of the year
  must be "The Crying Game."  ("The movie everyone is talking
  about, but no one is giving away its secrets.") This Neil
  Jordan written and directed opus presents a sophisticated
  story, populated by a cast of well-drawn characters, that
  holds the attention and fires the imagination.  Using one of
  the world's longest unresolved conflicts as its backdrop --
  the armed conflict in Northern Ireland -- Mr. Jordan manages
  to weave a story of romance and intrigue that is both
  unpredictable and believable.  Stephen Rea, Miranda Richardson
  and newcomer Jaye Davidson carry the honors for this inclusive
  '90s film.  That more of the story is not revealed here,
  should serve as your invitation to see this film and then send
  your comments to: Neil Jordan, c/o ICM-Duncan Heath, Oxford
  House, 76 Oxford Street, London W1R 1RB, England.


   
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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:35:32 EST
From: bob burge <BURGER@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Best Response? (Was Tips for coming out to friends?)
 <1993Jan27.185703.3963@spdcc.com>

In article <1993Jan27.185703.3963@spdcc.com>, shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer)
says:
>
>What respnse do you want to hear from your friends when you do come
>out to them?
>
ME:   "John....Nancy...I've got something to tell you."
NAN:  "Oh?"
JOHN: "Uhm?"
ME:   "I'm not hetrosexual."

NAN:  "We know."
JOHN: "We know."

ME:   (what was I so worried about?)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: NO_2
Organization: Smurf gang
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:30:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.212011.857402@locus.com> yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz) writes:
                                                                   ~~~~
Yo!  ROSIE!   Hey, *X*!!

We found 'im!  We got your Yazz for ya! He's right ove-- oh-- never mind.

-- 
Butch Smurf     S6 b++ g l y+ z+ n+ o+ x+ a-u v+ j+
It's a smurf thing; I don't understand.
From: tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: AIDS Research
Date: 24 Jan 93 04:27:47 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1993Jan20.124914.6076@pixel.kodak.com> chuck@ssd.kodak.com (Charles S. Collins 726-9461) writes:
>>From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
>
>>Dr Monteith
>>Santa Cruz CA
>
>Speaking of horse puckey, Dr. Monteith is featured on a propagandist
>film distributed by the religious right.  His statistics about
>the incidence of various sexual practices among gay males are
>unsubstantiated and highly inflammatory. I believe the name of the
>film is "The Gay Agenda."

Monteith is a real jerk-about-town here ... when the Santa Cruz 
anti-discrimination ordinance was up for public discussion, his
"contribution" was basically to walk up to the podium and 
proclaim that anal sex was bad and that he wanted to start a
right-wing political movement.  Definitely the non sequitur of the
evening.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Potential fallout from lifting the US military ban (was Re: Into the streets!)
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:15:03 GMT



Nelson Minar:
  >>That's just hot air. It won't happen. Seriously, think about it - a
  >>Democratically controlled congress passing a law that is in direct
  >>conflict with the executive order of a Democratic president, about an
  >>issue of civil rights? Even if it did pass, they could never get the
  >>2/3 needed to override a veto.
Bob Donahue:
 >	This is an untried Congress, and Senators have to answer to
 >their constituents.

Marty pointed out this morning, with more than a touch of 
bitterness, how peculiar it is that abortion rights, which polls
reported as hugely favored by the voters, could be taken away by the
legislature in spite of public opinion.  It really depends a whole
lot on what their constituents tell them really matters.  That's us,
gang.  I've seen the phone numbers often enough today that I won't
post them again.

For the record, I'd like to think of the abortion rights issue as
having been won, but I think I learned better over the last
20 years.

(just for future reference)
 >When it starts to be in your back yard or close to reality
 >people pull away.  I'll bet a lot of the CO:2 vote was a
 >swing vote from people who faced with virutal homosexuals 
 >have no problem, but with "real" homosexuals aren't too sure.


Mara [who wonders if "virutal" homosexuals includes her]
-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.