HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: zafarha@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Haseeb Zafar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: fan mail
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:28:07 GMT
Organization: ECE DREXEL UNIVERSITY

Put your mail in front of the fan and let it go.

Haseeb.
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From: loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore)
Subject: Re: Figure skating dispute (was Re: Synchronized Swimming Dispute)
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
	<1992Aug13.022115.16825@cs.yale.edu>
	<1992Aug14.011145.5855@erg.sri.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 13:18:19 GMT

vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:

   I would be willing to make a bet that in 1976 the rules were different. 

Well, I don't have an official rulebook from that period, but a quick
trip to the library produced two books on skating with copyrights in
the mid-1970's that both mentioned the bit about the winner being the
one with the majority of first-place votes.

Also, "The Complete Book of the Olympics" says that Hamill was placed
first by all nine judges in 1976.  So if you're going to keep
asserting that poor Diane de Leeuw was somehow cheated out of the
gold medal by a biased US judge, you'd better produce some references
to back you up.

-Sandra
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From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:38:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: keps.1992Aug14.133803.14030
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems

In article <1992Aug13.154221.10299@overload.lbl.gov> chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll) writes:
>Les Earnest writes:
>> The clinician expressed horror at my diet of ice
>> cream, high-fat milk, and other colesterol-filled goodies

The reason I ride all those long rides is so I can eat ice cream, chocolate 
and McD french fries! A couple of weeks ago I was driving up to Maine to 
do a few hundred training miles, happily munching on a bag of french fries
when I heard a horn toot from the side. I looked over to see a sign in 
the window questioning the fat content of my diet. I laughed, and just 
kept on stuffing my face with fries.

I weigh 125, have a cholesterol level of 135, and a ratio of 3.5 (is
it HDL to LDL or LDL to HDL?). A dietician told me anything over 3
was saintly!

-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             8 down, 4 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984
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From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: american diver
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:12:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.102523.3951@kth.se> TordM@VanD.PhySto.SE writes:
>
> could anybody fill me in about his diver who just "lost" the grip of one
>of his knees and just fell on his back into the water, and got real red??
>did he do that on purpose as some kind of protest or did he actually loose
>his grip (which seems like an extremly unlikly thing to happen) ??
>
He lost his grip. 
>
>
>
>
>---------------+--------------------------------
> Tord Malmgren | InterNet: TordM@VanD.PhySto.SE | These opinions are my own,
>               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
>---------------+--------------------------------
> Department of Physics, University of Stockholm 


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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: that darned Atlanta Mascot
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:35:08 GMT

In article 10499@ee.gatech.edu, wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung) writes:
>In article 3402@sdf.lonestar.org, thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt) writes:
>>Ok, now that we've all seen the new mascot for Atlanta 1996, what is YOUR
>>opinion of the Whatizit?  Quite honestly, my first reaction was "Gawd no!"
>>
>>With the amount of regional pride the Atlanta area has had during the past
>>couple of years, you would think that they would have a better idea for a 
>>mascot that a Q-tip with eyes........
>
>Actually the reaction here has not been overwhelming.  The damned thing
>got booed when they showed it at the Braves game.  It showed up in `person'
>the next night and the repsonse was mediocre.  We call it the Smurf Sperm
>here.

Other great nicknames for Whatizit, Whatitzname, or sumptin':

A tadpole, a guppy, a fish with no tail? I still love Bubba the Blue Slug!

Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle...

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com) At least Charles Barkley can't
    claim that Scottie Pippin looks like Whatizit!
From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: WHO SAID THAT HASSIBA BOULMERKA WAS A FLUKE?
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:03:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

Maitreya Sengupta writes:
>blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
>|> ....Last I checked, Algeria was still a strictly Muslim country, and a
>|>woman running, in shorts, in public is pretty much unheard of.
>
>	Just one question. Have you ever been to Algeria? Have you studied any
>factual accounts about their culture/lifestyle? Or is your opinion
>entirely based on the reliable and authentic infromation gleaned from
>NBC/ABC/CBS/Star/Weekly World News/Globe etc.
>
>Regards;
>
>Maitreya (no, I'm not from Algeria) Sengupta.
>

He probably got it from what Boulmerka has said HERSELF.  Unless you know
something to the contrary (and since you're not from Algeria, even you
would assume that you don't), why are you acting as if what "rON" posted is
not factual?  Making a point about the ignorance of the American media
about most other countries (a point all too valid) is one thing; picking a
fight (which is exactly what this looks like) is another.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: new rules in olympics
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:31:36 GMT

In <1992Aug17.2038.3691@channel1> "jeff ruck" <jeff.ruck@channel1.com> writes:
>Recall, Launi Melli in '88 was in medal contention going into the
>shoot-off, and she `dropped' to 7th (???) place in the final standings.

And in these Olympics Juha Hirvi was leading by 3 points before the
final where he started with a five!!!  For the gold he would have needed
an eight........109 good shots and one bad, but who ever said that life
is fair :(
--
* I teleported home one night; With Ron and Sid and Meg                   *
* Ron stole Meggie's heart away; And I got Sidney's leg.                  *
* -- Douglas Adams, HHGTG                                                 *
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From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Atlanta '96 : Pro cyclists in ?
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:30:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

dcook@spam.ua.oz (David Cook) writes:
: Just after this, they mentioned (in passing) that cycling was one area
: where professionals _would_ be included by '96. Does anyone have any
: further information on this ? 

For what further information are you looking?  Yes, the cycling events
will be open to professionals in 1996.

: Just imagine Indurain in the 4km indiv. pursuit, or Panasonic in the
: 100km TTT. Abdujaperov, Museew, Jalabert & co in the sprints ? Wow :-)

Miguel Indurain has not, to the best of my knowledge, ever competed in
the 5 km individual pursuit at the professional world championships, so
I see no reason he would compete in the individual pursuit at the
Olympics.  Likewise, I don't recall many road sprinters contesting the
1000 m match sprints at the worlds.  Since the Olympic teams will still
be formed on the basis of nationality, I wouldn't expect to see trade
teams such as Panasonic competing in the TTT.

: Unfortunately, it'll be a few years too late to see Danny Clark
: (an Australian, and one of the best 6-day riders ever) in something
: like the 50km point score.

Danny Clark is certainly one of the best all around track racers I've
seen.  He is also a very friendly and likeable guy.  I raced against him
(and lost:-)  in one of the ABRC track races in 1980.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
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From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Subject: Re: World and Olympic Records
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:30:52 GMT

OKAY, for the LAST time (with hope):

Mike CONLEY (not Powell) won the triple jump with a distance that was better
than the world record, but it did not qualify for either the Olympic or
World record because he was aided too much by the wind.  The distance stood
in the competition because wind-aided results are only discarded for
records, not for that day's competition.  He set an OLYMPIC record with a
DIFFERENT jump, one that was longer than the previous olympic record,
shorter than the world record, shorter than his winning (and wind-aided)
jump, as well as not being wind-aided itself.  So, while it is possible for
a world-record jump to be shorter than a gold-medal jump, it is impossible
for a world-record jump to be shorter than an Olympic-record jump.
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From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:05:45 GMT

I don't remember where I saw this (newspaper, I believe), but guess what?
They've found that people with low cholesterol (they mean LOW, like 160)
are as likely to die at a younger age as people with high cholesterol.

The list of causes was,... interesting.  It included suicide, homicide, and
then normal things, like cancer, etc.  How do you suppose low blood serum
cholesterol makes one more susceptible to homicide?

What'll they prove with staistics next?

--
  *************************************************************************
     Chuck Anderson                uucp    :         uunet!nyx!canderso
     Boulder, Co. (303) 494-6278   internet:         canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu
  *************************************************************************
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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 07:42:52 GMT

Chuck Anderson writes:
>I don't remember where I saw this (newspaper, I believe), but guess what?
>They've found that people with low cholesterol (they mean LOW, like 160)
>are as likely to die at a younger age as people with high cholesterol.

I read that newspaper article with interest inasmuch as I'm one of
those mutants.  I figure that it is just a conspiracy to keep us from
feeling smug.

A few years ago I was a guinea pig in a Stanford study where they ran
various physical stress tests, asked us about our diets, and took
blood samples.  The clinician expressed horror at my diet of ice
cream, high-fat milk, and other colesterol-filled goodies and then, to
prove her point, turned over my card and told me that my colesterol
level was (pause) 80?  She was visibly annoyed.

>The list of causes was,... interesting.  It included suicide, homicide, and
>then normal things, like cancer, etc.  How do you suppose low blood serum
>cholesterol makes one more susceptible to homicide?

I'd have to agree that I'm probably susceptible to homocide --
somebody else's.

>What'll they prove with staistics next?

This sounds a lot like another statistical study that I read awhile
back where they concluded that the reported susceptibility of fat
people to various fatal illnesses was not reflected in the relative
mortality rates of fat and thin people.  On closer examination they
determined that fat people were much less likely to be the victims of
homocide than thin people, among other things.  No reasons given for
why this should be so.

But what does this have to do with cycling?  Not much.


--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Another memorable quote (though not exact)
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:32:16 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA


Does anybody remeber the name of the guy who did the reporting for the
tennis competition.

Talk about living life in the fast lane. ;^)

After one report, in which this gentleman was in an even faster mode than
normal, after returning to the studio, Bob Costas, just sat there for
a second, with a stuned look on his face, he then said.

"Next time try the de-caf."

-- 
--Mark
From: marks@cs.man.ac.uk (Mark Stephens (MSc Stephen Furber))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Manchester in 2000
Summary: Will Manchester get the games in 2000
Keywords: Manchester, Great Britain, 2000
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:22:36 GMT


Manchester in the north west of England is in the running for the games in
2000. What do people think of its chances against Sydney and the other
contenders.

Mark.

marks@cs.man.ac.uk
From: pires@vxcrna.cern.ch (ALVES)
Subject: Re: Not Dipping the Flag (was Re: Proud and Angry)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:31:00 GMT

In article <2807@perl-sun.dwrsun4.UUCP>, perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg) writes...
>In article <=xrmw#_.rlerdorf@netcom.com>, rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) writes:
>> Ever stop to wonder how the rest of the world might perceive this?  The
>> US is *too good* and above showing a little respect towards other nations?
>> We've seen this to be the case, and in many parts of the world Americans
>> are despised for this reason, why re-enforce this perception so blatantly
>> with this childish, arrogant and obnoxious tradition?
> 
(a lot of nonsense deleted)
> 
>Has is ever occurred to you that a good deal of the reason that
>Americans are despised by "many parts of the world" is because of
>jealousy?
> 

Oh! Oh!  Look how jealous I am right now...
From: douge@tigger.tymnet.com (Doug Ellenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Atlanta Tickets
Keywords: Tickets
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:23:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /etc/organization

Someone asked about getting tickets to the '96 Olympics in Atlanta.
From the San Jose Mercury News:

Tickets won't go on sale until early 1995.  Until then you
can write for a brochure about the Atlanta games at:

     Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games
     Box 1996
     Atlanta, GA  30301     


douge@antares.tymnet.com
From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago)
Subject: Re: Sydney? (was Re: Olympia 2000
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:24:33 GMT

WEll, I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone. I lost the article before
I could answer it, but I believe someone called me a bigot just because
I expressed an opinion that it would be strange for Northern Hemisphere
atheletes to compete in the Olympics during the winter.

People are so touchy! I also said that Southern Hemisphere atheletes
would have an advantage. I didn't say that it would be right or wrong,
good or bad. I didn't mention, though obviously I should have, that
Southern hemisphere atheletes are at a disadvantage when the games
are held in the Northern hemisphere.

UNCLE!

I'm outta here. For good.

(Thanks to Ed and others who answered my questions with rationality)

Vickie


**Sydney in 2000-fine by me!**

Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino)
Subject: Re: New rules in Olympics
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory of Structural Engineering
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 09:49:02 EET

In article <1992Aug14.050219.22066@kum.kaist.ac.kr> wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho) writes:

>I also think that off-side should be eliminated(I know lots of people
>out there don't agree on this). Maybe one of the reason soccer is not popular
>in US as much as other countries is because not that many goals are being
>scored in a game.

This really is the great tragedy of the soccer which eventually will be
noticed by people all around. Well, maybe not in the countries where it is
almost the only sport like in south America. In soccer one can only see
_failures_! The goals are very rare and this is also the reason why the
FIFA is discussing about the subject of enlargening the size of goals to
give the audience more positive experiences. But the leaders are too old
to accept anything new there.

As it is now the soccer cannot be compared with the basketball or volley
ball where you all the time can see successes. The audience can cheer all
the time for thir heros. I can also see why the American football is all
the time getting new friends all around. In soccer they just pass to the
wrong guy, or lose the ball one way or another, or kick over the goal or
the side, or have the off-sides etc. The successes are too small for the
people to see and that's why there are all kinds of disturbances side
activities in the audiences. It really is boring just to watch just
failures for one and a half hours.

-- 
Tapio Leino               email: Tapio.Leino@vtt.fi
VTT / Laboratory of Structural Engineering
PL 26, SF-02151 ESPOO, Finland
tel. -358-0-456 6683  telefax  -456 7003
From: charlesv@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Charles Van Duren)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Medals / population
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:39:19 GMT

craigj@cs.sfu.ca (Craig Kenneth Jones) writes:

>Just curious on this one.

>Does anyone have a listing of the number of medals "per capita".  

>That is to say, a sort of normalization of the number of medals based on
>the population of the country ( #medals / population ), because of the higher
>probability of larger countries getting more medals (assumably).

How about this stat? One hundred and eighteen (118) countries won no medals
at all.

The athletes from these countries were the "participants" who cluttered up
the preliminaries, as opposed to the "competitors" who were there to
compete. That's how TripleCast regarded them.

What's this mania with medal statistics anyway?

CvD
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Larry Ehmer)
Subject: OLYMPIC PINS
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:45:36 GMT



Has anyone returned from Barcelona with Olympic pins?  I would be very
interested in whatever you have.

I also have lots of pins from several Olympics for trade or sale.  If you
are interested, send me your land mail address and I'll send you a list. 
If you have particular interests, let me know and I'll see what I can find
for you.

Happy collecting,
Larry Ehmer
ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander)
Subject: Re: Arrogance and the Olympics
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:58:16 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <133218@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes:
>Does anybody remember a single thing about the gymnastics competition
>in Mexico City in 1968?

Yep.  Isn't that the year Vera Caslavska got married during the games?


-- Tovah Hollander
   tovah@panix.com -or- tovah@onion.salad.mssm.edu
From: claypool@myria.cs.umn.edu (Mark Claypool)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Gymnastics: Instant Replay for Judging
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:49:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: myria.claypool.714228548
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota

>>>>   - The judges should have access to instant replay before scoring.
>> Well, perhaps we could do something like this:
>> [ Idea for replay use deleted. ]

> I keep thinking about my typical day of judging, and just can't
> imagine any way this could work. 
> My typical judging day is something like this:
> [ Long, cold, typical day deleted. ]

> Some how I just don't see how I can add 45~60 sec to the
> judging time and still finish the meet in the same day.

Well, say there are about 40 gymnasts competing.  There is one set of
judges for each apparatus.  If each routine takes an extra minute to
score, you've added on 40 minutes to the meet time.  It's still the
same day =), but a signifigant amount, never the less.  With attention
spans of mosquitos (from some other post), people will invariably lose
interest.

So, you could have more judges.  Maybe two sets of judges for each
apparatus.  That way, the "at bat" judges could watch the current
gymnast while the "on deck" judges could score the previous gymnast
using the replay.  Also, more judges would decrease the influence of
any one judge and reduce the risk of an individual's bias hurting
everyone.

But perhaps judges are in short supply.  And extra judges would cost
more, I suppose.  What do judges make, anyway?

>[looks like now that the Olympics are over this news group
>has gone off to never never land.  I wonder if any one is
>actually raeding this stuff.... :-)   ]

I read it!

	Mark

--

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From: cummings@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings)
Subject: Re: American Arrogance - US Monolopy?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 00:32:45 GMT

dong-danning@CS.YALE.EDU (Danning Dong) writes:

>Chinese is not very good at 100m dash, but many Chineses are familiar
>with the name Carl Lewis, who have shown excellence in this event.  However,
>Americans are good at diving, especially men's diving, how many Americans have
>actually heard of the name of Gao Min, a Chinese girl who, since the age
>of 15, has never lost in a single major international diving competition
>and won 2 consecutive springboard Olympic gold medals in 88' and 92'?

	How many Americans know the names of the top _American_ divers?
Diving just isn't that popular in the U.S.  Most of the sports that
Americans don't compete well in are not very popular here.  Makes sense,
since fewer people are going to pursue an unpopular sport, so the level of
competition isn't as good.


>The acceptable is: US TV coverage focusing on the excellence of their
>athletes; 

>The unacceptable is: US TV coverage diminishing or even ignoring the
>excellence of others.

	As a practical matter, for a US network to focus on the excellence
of US athletes leaves little air time to cover the excellence of others.

	Whatever a US network does, it will be criticised for failing to
cover enough sports.  It can't please everyone.  It never will.
From: fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Most number of medals!!
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:54:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug13.215452.27819
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Aug12.163832.22193@menudo.uh.edu> inde788@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>Does anyone know who won the most number of medals in following
>events. 
>
>1.	Track & Field

	United States, 30 medals (12G/8S/10B)

>2.	Gymnastics ( Men and women)

	Unified Team, 18 medals (9/5/4)

>3.	Swimming   (Men and women)

	United States, 27 medals (11/9/7)

>4.	Diving

	China, 5 medals (3/1/1)

>5.	Tennis

	United States, 3 medals (2/0/1)

>6.	Wrestling

	Unified Team, 16 medals (6/5/5)
The Unified Team led in both freestyle and greco-roman disciplines.

>7.	Shooting

	Unified Team, 8 medals (5/2/1)

>8.	Fencing

	France, 5 medals (2/0/3)

>9.	Cycling

	Germany, 6 medals (4/2/0)

>10.	Canoeing

	Germany, 11 medals (7/2/2)


In all cases, the country with the most total medals was also the country
with the most golds (or tied for the most).
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