HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:28:48 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep4.234253.11894@auc.trw.com> dmaxwell@dora.UUCP (Doug Maxwell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.183209.2558@pictel.com> harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.011342.28492@auc.trw.com> dmaxwell@dora.UUCP (Doug Maxwell) writes:
->>We are also supposed to flee evil.  My point is this, should we be 
->>deliberately putting ourselves into positions that compromise our values
->>simply for our entertainment?
->
->Specifically what values would we compromise by attending a U2 concert?
-
-The original poster suggested that if we turned our offensometers way down,
-we would be able to enjoy the concert.  This suggests that there is 
-something that we as Christians would find offensive and, to me, compromising
-at the concert.  If you find nothing offensive or compromising at the show,
-by all means have a great time.  My point was not to specifically comment
-about U2, but rather the comment about ignoring what would normally be
-considered offensive.

I'm the original poster, and if anyone would have read my original post, they
would know what the offensometer comment was about.  There is nothing that
i as a Christian find offensive at the U2 concert.  I am not offended by
social drinking.  I don't 'cuss,' but i don't expect everyone else to live
up to my convictions (i don't drink, either).  I enjoy being challenged, 
and i usually find myself at least being made to think by hearing U2's 
comments on the Church and 'Religiosity', and i usually end up agreeing with
them.  

However, 'the blue-hair' crowd (as i refer to them) might find drinking,
PG language, (gasp) dancing, and attacks on the almighty Religion to be
offensive.  I had no idea where the person who asked the original question
stood on these issues, so i told him of the good and the bad, and warned him
that he might find some stuff offensive.  However, since i was edified by
the U2 concert, i told him that, if he found these things offensive, that
perhaps he might consider turning his offensometer down (from 'religious'
to just plain 'Christian') and checking out the concert.  He had no problem
with the stuff i mentioned, end of conversation, full stop.  However, 
someone else decided to pick out the offensometer comment out of context
and post a cheap shot about why the show in Urbana was cancelled.  

I hope this clears up more stuff than it stirrs up :-)

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Subject: Re: U2's denomination
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:52:26 GMT

Distribution: world

The Rink writes
> I don't believe we can at all.  A friend of mine told me his views on a
> similar subject, and they make a lot of sense.  If there's one bad song on
> an album, he doesn't bother with any of it.  That one song is still a
> representation of the groups' views, and if they aren't in sync with what
> we, as Christians, should believe -- throw it out!
> -- 

Sometimes a song reflects only the views of its author, not the group as a  
whole.  A classic example is Glass Harp, which consisted of Phil Keaggy and
two guys who seemed to be into some kind of eastern philosophy (eventually
I believe that PK felt the "unequally yoked with unbelievers" conviction and  
struck out on his own to produce music with better lyrics and (for a while)  
inferior music).

If your test had been applied, here is an example (sorry, the lyrics are  
from memory, so they may not be perfect) of a song I would have had to throw  
out:

   The search for happiness and meaning in life 
      is more intense than ever.
   I've searched, you've searched, we've run in the night
      and still felt untogether ...
   ... (a couple of forgotten lines deleted)
   The answer is Jesus, you don't need to be alone anymore.
   The answer is Jesus, believe me, He'll open the door.
    etc.

Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water!
--
Claude Anderson
(812)877-8331
anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu    -  NeXT mail welcome
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Re: What makes music "Christian"?
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:18:11 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Sep6.230421.1700@hubcap.clemson.edu> mrayle@eng.clemson.edu writes:
>The other applicable question is: What makes secular music offensive?

This I feel a need to speak on.
I've learned a lot and been encouraged by 'secular' music. 'Secular'
music that I find distasteful/unhelpful/headache-inducing gets tossed,
just like distasteful/unhelpful/headache-inducing 'Christian' music.

Part of why I do this is I remember all too clearly being shocked by
a school friend who played \\SECULAR// music while we were driving
in her car. I preached at her for quite a while - gads, what a know
it all, dorky, unhelpful, ass I was.

A current secular fav is Springsteen's Human Touch --

well girl that feeling of safety you prize
well it comes with a hard hard price
you can't shut off the risk and the pain
without loosing the love that remains
so you've been broke
and then you've been hurt
show me somebody who ain't
yeah I know I ain't nobody's bargain
but hey, a little touch-up
and a little paint

this speaks to me that no, I'm not in control of my life or of
other people or of God. I can often control my behaviour but not
as much as I'd like. And if I stress out over how I can't deal
with what I can't control, I'll never be able to relate to 
anybody - God included.

And while my hurts are known by God, so are everyone else's. I'm
not the only one in the universe and I'm not the only one who's 
hurting. Hurting is normal in this life. And that's okay - and
it's okay that we're not perfect.

Anyway, these are my thoughts. I don't divide secular vs sacred
much outside of music stores; more on the lines of helpful vs
unhelpful, calming vs stimulating, challenging vs relaxing.

-jen
Mike's studying to be an engineer, I'm a technical writer right now...:-)

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hendefd@woof.duc.auburn.edu (Frank Henderson)
Subject: Re: Humorously Diverse Tastes
Reply-To: hendefd@woof.duc.auburn.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:59:43 GMT

In article 19743@nmsu.edu, mwalls@nmsu.edu (Commander Keen) writes:
>
>
>	It's probably quite common for people to listen to diverse styles.
Sounds like my tastes:
Petra
Whiteheart
Shout/Magdallan/Tamplin
Bash/Bash-N-The-Code
S.C.Chapman
Steve Camp
Acappella
Wes King
Amy Grant
Rachel Rachel

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Frank Henderson                         E-mail: hendefd@tech.duc.auburn.edu
Network Technical Support               Auburn, AL       
 
When you world is shaking
The Word of God will stand
When you need unfailing love
Check out the nailprints in His hand!  --  Bash-N-The-Code
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Mike Knott / LSU / Lifesavers
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:21:29 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

I own "poplife" by ls and I have been contemplating buying one of the
LSU recordings for a while.  Then LSU and Mike Knott come out with an
album each at the same time!  Has anyone heard these two and been able
to compare them to the older LSU recordings?  I have heard "swimsuit
edition walpaper" off BV teaser II.  Is all LSU stuff like that?

Give me some good reviews or a solid recomendation.

thanks,

phil

******************************************************************************
*    ><>        phil burt        <><    *            burtp@rpi.edu           *
******************************************************************************

"If clouds are full of water,
	they pour rain upon the earth.
Whether a tree falls to the south or to the north,
	in the place where it falls, there will it lie."

Ecclesiastes 11:3

(profound  -  isn't it!)
From: easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Tourniquet/Deliverance
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:27:57 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Does anyone know when a new Tourniquet album is coming out?  And is
the Deliverance album in the stores now?
 
______ __   ___  ___           o  __   ___  |    Western  Kentucky    |
  /   /__) /__  /__  /     )  /  /__) /__   |       University        |
 /   /  \ (___ (___ (__/__/  /  /  \ (___   |  EASTEEE@WKUVX1.BITNET  |
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: No Grave Concern........fall '92
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:27:00 GMT

Good news!!! (if you are a supporter of alternative Christian music)

I have been informed that I once again have a show on the local college
radio station. It is a two-hour slot this time, instead of the three last
spring. But that in a way is better...three hours can really begin to drag
on after a while. The show name is once again "No Grave Concern." I don't
know if I will offer copies of the show this semester or not. I guess we
will wait and see how the semester goes and such. Just thought I'd let
y'all know, for anyone who might be interested.....

$%&^%$&($%^&@$#%!@#%^&#$%*^%__!_$%^*$#%^@#$%^@#&%#$^%*@$%^@#%&#$%^*#$%^&#$%$%
@  (%&    *$@    )*&%&(  # /_/\/\  |    Terry Leifeste, Scholar and Fool    $
&  $#% #& (&* (@ $%^$@*  & \_\  /  | TLL6551@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU  TLL6551@TAMZEUS &
#  ($%    #$*    @#*     @ /_/  \  |----------------------------------------@
*  @#$*$%&*$@%^@&#%*()@  * \_\/\ \ |   My life is a joke.....               %
(  @#$^$*%^#$%&#$*       %    \_\/ |             and it's not even funny.   $
$%&^*$%&$#%^@$%&#%^*#%^@#$#%&^*$%&)($#&@#%$^&#$^*($^$*(V3.2)*#@)!%^*$#%^*$%@&
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: burtp@aix.rpi.edu (Philip Nason Burt)
Subject: Re: Humorously Diverse Tastes
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 05:13:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.050103.14266@athena.mit.edu> pepsi@athena.mit.edu (Geoffrey R Gustafson) writes:
  Anyone else
>out there listen to completely opposite styles like this?

are you kidding????  My tastes could not be further apart!!

It is very frustrating (and expensive!) to try to buy music.

here is a partial list of my collection:

Altar Boys
Avenue G
At the Foot of the Cross
Tori Amos
Believer
Breakfast with Amy
Bride **
Camper van Beethoven
The Cars
Chagal Guevera
Charlatans UK
the Choir
Code of Ethics
Elvis Costelo
the Cure
DA
Dead Artists Syndrome
Fluffy
Galactic Cowboys
Jacob's Trouble **
Jerusalem
Kronos Quartet
the Lead
Lifesavers
Modern English
Mortal
Nina
Ojo
One Bad Pig
Petra
Primus
Rush
Sacred Warrior
Seventy Sevens
Michael W. Smith **
the Stand **
Stryper
Swirling Eddies
the Swoon
Steve Taylor
Terry Scott Taylor
Tempest
the Throes
The Turtles
White Heart
Whitecross
Undercover
the Violet Burning

i listen to but don't own:

Violent Femmes
U2
Clasical stuff
Scatered-few

** don't listen to much at all

wow, I didn't realize that I had so many tapes (no CDs though - too
expensive!!)

anyone with similar tastes??

phil

******************************************************************************
*    ><>        phil burt        <><    *            burtp@rpi.edu           *
******************************************************************************

"If clouds are full of water,
	they pour rain upon the earth.
Whether a tree falls to the south or to the north,
	in the place where it falls, there will it lie."

Ecclesiastes 11:3

(profound  -  isn't it!)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tll6551@zeus.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: Re: No Grave Concern........fall '92
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Fool's Gold Enterprises
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:21:00 GMT

Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell) writes...
>Why, Terry, are you hosting? 

of course I'm hosting! :)  I'm doing it with a friend of mine this year
instead of all by myself like I did last semester.  Hopefully this will
help keep a more entertaining banter in between songs instead of just
having me give mostly informational tidbits.

>I want one, only if you got some coooool
>industrial stuff like Circle of Dust, Arbitrage and Global Wave System
>(that's for you, Christian E!)...

Phil! You should know better than to question me on the area of industrial
stuff! Of course I'll be playing cooooool industrial stuff!!! (Although I
don't have CoD yet, and I don't have Arbitrage either.)  

$%&^%$&($%^&@$#%!@#%^&#$%*^%__!_$%^*$#%^@#$%^@#&%#$^%*@$%^@#%&#$%^*#$%^&#$%$%
@  (%&    *$@    )*&%&(  # /_/\/\  |    Terry Leifeste, Scholar and Fool    $
&  $#% #& (&* (@ $%^$@*  & \_\  /  | TLL6551@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU  TLL6551@TAMZEUS &
#  ($%    #$*    @#*     @ /_/  \  |----------------------------------------@
*  @#$*$%&*$@%^@&#%*()@  * \_\/\ \ |   My life is a joke.....               %
(  @#$^$*%^#$%&#$*       %    \_\/ |             and it's not even funny.   $
$%&^*$%&$#%^@$%&#%^*#%^@#$#%&^*$%&)($#&@#%$^&#$^*($^$*(V3.2)*#@)!%^*$#%^*$%@&
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: MUSIC!
From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:48:28 EST
Keywords: Mortal, dance, Jyradelix, toledo, music

happy happy joy joy! Toledo finally gets a Christian music store that's
close enough for me to get to! driving down Lasky today when i see
(in 3 foot tall orange & yellow letters) THE CHRISTIAN MUSIC STORE.

to begin with, they're small, but like most small CMC stores, they
can order quite a bit & have demos (yay!). not only that, but
the demos are on CD. prices are decent (15% off) and they leave the
"Buy 5 get one free" stickers on. in addition, every customer gets
10% of their purchase credited to an account, which you can then
use as additional discount on future purchases.

that said, here's what i heard & what i liked:

Mortal - Luisis

people have been telling me this is good. it is. rather spare in parts,
reminds me of pre-Showtime Nitzer Ebb or early Depeche Mode with
modern hardware. amusing & creative use of samples. artsy cover decoration.
i think i want this. (if NIN's Broken EP doesn't turn out to be what
i was hoping for i'll get Mortal instead.)

JYRADELIX - Invincible

basically Mortal with some other people, doing dance tracks. the title
for this thing could have been "instant rave" or somesuch, 'cause that
about describes it. everything i listened to off of this put a big
happy smile on my face. good study music. (ok, ok, i study to strange 
stuff.) anyway, if you like hardcore-techno dance this is a must have.


--
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
`,` The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data  `,`
`,`  is Life -- The Player's Litany, from _The Long Run_ by D.K. Moran  `,`
`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: smp@gtech.com (Sergio M. Pedro)
Subject: Re: Rachel Rachel?
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:29:25 GMT

Gracious!!!!  People are just running into Rachel Rachel???  I live in
the north east (otherwise known as "the great void" when it comes to
Christian music =:>) and I got their album early this year.

I personally think that the album is pretty good (in fact I was listening to it just the other day) but I would say that the cover of COWS is week.  Actually myfavorite song is "Way to My Heart".

Hope it helps!  God bless and happy listening!

Doc
    
P.S.  If it's worth anything to you, my mother-in-law owns a Christian book
      store and I still find out more about new music in this group!!

	      
------
Phillip J. "Doc" Zannini   | Yes, some day I will have my own account!
pjz@gtech.com
standard disclaimers apply - not that anyone really cares anyway!
From: ppxpmd@mips.nott.ac.uk (P.Debenham)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Interpretation
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:06:10 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

When it comes to the problem of interpretation of the Bible used in translation
two methods to reduce reliance on OTHER PEOPLES interpretation (you will still
be doing your own!)
   1:  Cross checking of various different translations.  If in different
       languages make sure that one is not simply a translation of the
       modern day language of the other.  This way you get to see differnet
       translators ideas and interpretations.
   2:  Learn to read the original languages of the Bible, at least Koine, the
       dialect of Greek used by the New Testement writers.  This is not as hard
       to do as many people think (arguably easier than learning a developing
       modern day second language) and will bring enormous rewards.  Any good
       theological department in a bookshop or good Christian bookshop should
       be able to help with finding Teach Yourself type of books.

Personally I am always ammazed at the pronouncements of some Christian
'leaders' as to 'the Bible says this' coming from people who obviously would
not be able to tell one Greek letter from another.  If you are serious about
studying God's word, knowledge of original languages will help you much more
than most other things.  At least the Church of England still insists its
ministers know Greek (one of the few things I often feel they get right).

Peter Debenham, Physics Dept, University of Nottingham, UK
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: re: What makes music "Christian"?
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:32:10 GMT
Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

Mike,

For the point you are making I agree (concerning a deep focused relationship
with our Lord, even in music), but where I disagree is when you advocate it as
a generic thought.

What I mean is that, I agree that there is a lot of disgusting and offensive
music on the market and the radio, but I do not believe we should (as they
say) 'throw the baby out with the bath-water.'  I find some music, especially
"classical and R&B" music to be very soothing to the mind and relaxing as
"background music."  There are, what I would term, Love songs on the market
that I find very appropriate to the mood of say, a wedding.  The music may say
nothing of "God" per se, but it may be a beautiful telling of two people's
devotion to eachother.  Does the fact that it doesn't mention God, Jesus or
any symbiology make it something we should find offensive?  There are
"children's songs" (i.e. "Twinkle, twinkle, little star") that make no
reference to God.  Should our children be told these are "works of the devil?"

This "All or nothing" mentality sounds too much like a subtle form of bigotry.
I mean, if one of your "Christian friends" listens to songs by Anita Baker as
well as Steve Taylor, does that make him a sinner?  For that matter, if a
Christian has friends that are not Christian, does that make the Christian a
sinner?

I don't think we have the right to make passing judgements on exactly "what
kind of relationship" another Christian may have just because we don't agree
with some of the non-harmful and doubtful things they do.  The first
Jewish-Christians tried to make the Gentiles go through the ritual of
circumcision as well as binding them to all of the obligations of the Law, to
which Paul rebuked them.

-Rich
From: hendefd@woof.duc.auburn.edu (Frank Henderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian F.M. Radio Broadcasting
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:16:10 GMT
Reply-To: hendefd@woof.duc.auburn.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article 0170@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA, G06C000 <G06C@UNB.CA> () writes:
>i am looking for call letters and locations of any stations
>throughout the U.S. and Canada.
>Thank You ....Phil
>


Here in East Alabama we have several:
FM 93.3  WVFJ Manchester, GA
   88.7  WDVI Dadeville, AL
   93.7  W??? Birmingham, AL (I'm on the fringe and don't get it often)
AM  810  ?  Light Music  Valdosta, GA
   1020  ?  Tifton, GA  (haven't lived there in 2 years and can't
                           remember pertinent info)

All these stations play CCM stuff on the SOFT side, some good preaching
and national programs ("Focus on the Family, Point of View", etc)
Hope this helped.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Frank Henderson                         E-mail: hendefd@tech.duc.auburn.edu
Network Technical Support               Auburn, AL       
 
When you world is shaking
The Word of God will stand
When you need unfailing love
Check out the nailprints in His hand!  --  Bash-N-The-Code
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

p.s.  I tried to email you but it bounced.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: plemmons@mth.msu.edu (Steve Plemmons)
Subject: Re: Rachel Rachel?
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Michigan State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:55:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.191902.17913@cs.rose-hulman.edu> pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D) writes:
>Distribution: na
>
>Alan S. Mazer writes
>> Some time ago I heard about Rachel Rachel but the guy at the local 
>> bookstore discouraged me from buying their record.  He said it wasn't 
>> very good.  Now I hear that a (female) friend of mine is living with a 
>> member of the band and I'm wondering about them again.  What's the 
>> verdict?  Are they worth the price of a CD?  
>
>Anybody with an opinion, drop me a line too...I'm going to see them in  
>concert on Friday (they're opening for White Heart) and I've only heard  
>one song by them, their cover of "Carry On Wayward Son"...it's not Kansas,  
>but it's not bad...
>
>clueless chuck
>PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu

I saw them open up for White Heart early this summer.  I thought they
were pretty good.  After listening to the demo of their album I decided
that they were better live than on their album.  Their sophmore release
should be better.

See Ya,

Steve


-- 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
@  Steve Plemmons                    As a former fetus, I oppose          @
@  plemmons@mth.msu.edu              abortion! - Living Epistles Shirt    @
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Tangent:  Song of Solomon
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:56:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.171900.29415@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.154313.11675@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
 
>|> Origen was kind of a strange guy (he made himself a eunuch, for example,
>|> so he wouldn't be tempted by those evil, lascivious fourth century
>|> babes), and had a hard time dealing with down-and-dirty fleshy
>
>   Why do you speak like this?
>
>|> stuff like sexual intercourse and body odor.  So it's not too
>|> surprising that he would attempt to "spiritualize" the Song of 
>|> Solomon.  It couldn't *really* be about physical love, could it?
>|> It must be an allegory of Christ and the Church.

I write like this because Origen viewed sex as something sinful and
dirty.  And since he viewed sex as inherently sinful, he had to find
a way to "spiritualize" those parts of the Song of Solomon that 
dealt with the physical love of a man and woman.  

I actually speak more like Chico Marx, and talka like-a this.

>   Holy in the context of marriage - Not "down-and-dirty".

Right.  I agree with you.

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
att!cblpn!ajw  or
ajw@cblpn.att.com