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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:50:19 PST
Reply-To:     "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
              Co. 17-Dec-1992 1044" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM>
From:         "Mike Holland Digital Equip. Corp. Colorado Springs,
              Co. 17-Dec-1992 1044" <holland@CX3COM.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Torry/Grover Bible Information
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Hello fellow rooters!

I have access to the Torry family bible information. The names are
limited and so is the information but if anyone is researching the
TORRY surname the information might prove useful. If anyone wants
me to look up information for them on the following surnames please
e-mail me.

The surnames in the TORRY family bible are:

TORRY, GANER, MERRICK, ALLEN, GREEN, DADA, and GROVER

The information is limited, the bible dates back to the 1700s.

I also have access to the GROVER family bible information and again
the information is limited. The earliest entry in this bible is for
1806.

The surnames in the GROVER family bible are:

GROVER, TORRY, HENDERSON, SAYELS, BELL, GUENTHER, LORNING (?), and
MCMURRAY.

The information in both bibles is rather sketchy and hard to read but
I'll do my best.

Both bibles are from the Vermont area around Sudbury/Rutland townships.

Regards

Mike

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Mike Holland
Digital Equipment Corp.
305 Rockrimmon Blvd.
Colorado Springs, Colorado
(719)592-5964
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For myself I'm researching the following surnames:

HOLLAND, CHAPMAN, JACOBS, WAMBLE OR WOMBLE, HESTER, BAKER, GRIMMER, TRAWICK
SHOUTER, STRINGER, MONTGOMERY USA/AL/FL/GA/SC/VA early 1700s until Present

SMITH, SCOTT, PRITCHARD, KITTLE, DENNISON, SKIDMORE, SHELTON, DALTON, THARP
OR THORP, GARVIN, MOODY OR MODE, JOHNSON, STALNAKER, CRAWFORD, SKINNER, DAVIS
USA/WV/VA/PA/NJ/IRELAND/SCOTLAND/WALES/GERMANY early 1700s until Present

For my wife I'm researching the following surnames:

GROVER, TORRY, MOORE, ADAIR, HENDERSON, SAYELS, MCMURRAY, GANER, WOOD,
LEWIS, MCALISTER, MCSWEENEY
SCOTLAND/IRELAND/USA/VT/MA early 1700s to present
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Re: Nathaniel FOOTE
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:31:17 GMT

In article <ROOTS-L%92121014065397@VM1.NODAK.EDU> THE GAR <GLWARNER@SAMFORD.BITNET> writes:
>
>"405. FOOTE, Nathaniel, born 1593; of London, England; of Watertown,
>Masachusetts, before 1634; of Wethersfield, Connecticut, about 1636;
>died 1644."
>
>The description is
>"Arms: Silver a chevron and in dexter chief a trefoil slipped sable."
>
>Which meant absolutely nothing to me, but the picture is of a 3 leafed
>shamrock on the upper left, with an upsidedown V belt or ribbon under
>it.
>      O
>     O|O
>      |
>        /\
>       //\\
>      //  \\
>     /     \

The chevron is the upside-down V; the trefoil is the 3-leafed clover;
dexter means right-hand side (standing behind the shield); chief means
above. The background should be silver, the trefoil and chevron black
(sable). 

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From: malcolm@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Very confusing months !
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:06:38 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

> 7bre   =   VIIbre          =     septembre     =     September
> 8bre   =   VIIIbre         =     octobre       =     October
> 9bre   =   IXbre           =     novembre      =     November
>10bre   =   Xbre            =     de'cembre     =     December
>
>This can be quite confusing if you're not used to it, especially if you have no
>knowledge of Latin, e.g. 10bre could be mistaken as being the 10th month of the
>year, whereas it is the 12th !

A useful reminder that can save much confusion. It may also help the memory to
note that they WERE the 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th months once - until someone
decide to celebrate Julius and Augustus Caesar by inserting two extra months.

Malcolm.
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From: kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much)
Subject: Irish Peerage help?
Organization: Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:52:56 GMT

I've just received a Xerox of a 1938 letter saying that the family
crest of the Earl of Clancarty (Ireland) was on some silver passed
down in the McCARTY family from Dennis McCARTY, who settled in the
Northern Neck of Virginia ca. 1670.  If anyone has access to a
Complete Irish Peerage, would you please look to see if a Dennis
McCARTY is mentioned in the earl's family of that era?  He probably
was born ca. 1640-1650.  He married Elizabeth BILLINGTON, daughter of
Luke BILLINGTON, in VA.  Their son Daniel McCARTY was born 1679.  I've
never been able to trace Dennis's family roots in Ireland, but then I
never had this clue when I had access to the Irish Peerage book.

There are several people on the soc.roots net who are researching
McCARTY, and they would all probably welcome a post on this subject,
so I'll summarize and post any replies that come privately.
-----------
Seeking ACTON, BAILEY, BALL, BEALE, BEAUMAN (BEAUMIER), BILLINGTON,
BOBO, BRAKE, BRITTAIN (BRITTON), CALVERT, COLSTON, CORGAN (CORRIGAN),
EVERENDEN (EVERDEN, EVENDEN, EVERNDON), FERREE (FERIE, FIERRE, FIRE,
FIERE), GRIFFIN, HARM, HARWAR, HEWITT, KENNERLY, LEATHERWOOD, LEE,
LEFEVRE, McCARTY, McQUEAD, MUCH, MURFIN, MUSGROVE, PILGRIM (PILGRAM),
POPE, SAUERWEIN, SONTAG, TARRANT, TAVERNER, TERRY, UNDERWOOD,
WAREMBOUR (de WARENBUR), WEGMAN, WOODRUFF, YERBY.



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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:40:19 EST
Reply-To:     "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
From:         "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      ? England to Australia
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

The grandmother (Sarah Pattison) of a friend of mine emigrated from England
to Australia under some sort of plan the English Government was supporting.
I think the origin of the plan is described in the book "Emigrant
Gentlewomen".  The program seems to have started as the emigration
of professional women such as teachers, and then was extended by
government support to include women like his ancestor, who was a cook.
The period was perhaps in the 1870s.

The problem is, he does not know exactly when she went to Australia.  He
was wondering if there would be any lists anywhere which he could access
to determine the date when she moved, either lists from the plan or else
England to Australia emigration list.  Does anyone have any information
on that?  Thanks,
jp
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: S&H Green Stamps
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:08:50 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <ROOTS-L%92121615305717@VM1.NODAK.EDU> Paul Lowry <PLOWRY@NERVM.BITNET> writes:
>My Great Grandfather, Ralph Mills from Ohio, was a salesperson for S&H Green
>Stamps.  My understanding is that he still may hold some sales records.  I
>know that he also lived in Texas and Florida, and that he was selling during
>the first half of this century.
>
>  I'm hoping that someone that
>gets this list works for S&H or has access to their publications, because there
>is supposed to be an article in a company publication that refers to his sales
>records.

My best information is that S&H is out of business. It had been a
susidiary of PHL Corp., previously on the NY Stock Exchange. About
2 years ago PHL Corp. was bought by Leucadia National (NYSE). It is at

Leukadia National
315 Park Ave. South
N.Y. N.Y. 10010
212-460-1900

Sperry & Hutchinson (S&H)
was at (and may still be):
330 Madison Ave.
N.Y. N.Y. 10017
212-986-8610

Given the status of things, if you want any of the data, I wouldn't
write, I would telephone to see if anyone is still there who has
an interest...

Good luck!

Tom
From: Deb.Koplen@f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Deb Koplen)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: "Richard A. Ensminger"
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:39:36

Hope this reaches you...my first try for this type of correspondence.  My sysop here at Southern Crossroads says 17-92 21:26:02
use Fidonet gateway 1:124/4115.0 (fidonet.org).  Looking forward to hearing from you regarding the BULLARDS

 * Origin: Southern Crossroads DFW METRO 817-481-8984 (1:124/4115)
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:29:02 CST
Reply-To:     "Richard A. Ensminger" <ensmingr@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
From:         "Richard A. Ensminger" <ensmingr@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Message to Deb Koplen
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NODAK.EDU

Sorry to post this to the net--

Deb Koplen--do you have another electronic address? I may have some
information for you on the Bullard family.

The very best of the season to Deb and the rest of you ROOT-L folks!

Rich <ensmingr@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:52:00 LCL
Reply-To:     M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK
From:         MFITZGIB <M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      radio & roots
Comments: To: roots-l <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.edu>

Hello all,

            I note from time to time that radio amateurs are sending
items of mail
            to the mailing list. This started me off with the idea of
including selected
            extracts from the list, and re-broadcasting them on packet
radio. The
            packet radio network has around 8500 users in the UK. In
continental
            Europe the numbers are a great deal higher. What I propose to
do
            is let help requests  sent to the following address, forward
them on to
            the packet radio network.


                                                     FITZ@UK.AC.SHU.CMS

            I will return replies to you direct to your own address, a
straw poll of
            amateurs in my area, turned up eleven others who are quite
keen to
            have selected items from roots-l sent via packet.  I will
however post
            any TT's to the list.

           I wonder just how many other amateur are reading the roots
list?


           Seasons Greetings, {73}  Mick

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  Compuserve INTERNET: MFITZGIB@scipio.mhs.compuserve.com

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From: renfro@geewhiz.ssc.gov (James Renfro)
Subject: Interlibrary loan of microfilms, etc
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:13:05 GMT


The librarian at my local municipal library is unable to help me on  
questions regarding interlibrary loan.  Perhaps someone in the group  
reading this may be able to provide me with some answers.

I live in Texas and want to examine Georgia county records microfilms  
of Tax, Deed, Probate and Civil courts.  

1.  If those records exist (not destroyed by Gen'l Sherman's men,  
etc.), they were probably microfilmed by the LDS people; so is it  
possible for them to be borrowed via interlibrary loan to libraries  
outside Georgia?  If so, how would my librarian go about it (if it is  
different from the ordinary) ? 

2.  Is there a rental library firm which rents/sells such records on  
microfilm to it's membership? ( I belong to the American Genealogical  
Lending Library, but though their holdings are very broad in the  
category of Census records, they seem to have very little of the  
county records such as mentioned above. )

If anybody has some words of advice on this subject, fire away...

Many thanks.

Jim Renfro
renfro@geewhiz.ssc.gov

 
                      Renfro   \                                                                    
                       Renfroe  \                                                                   
                        Renfrow  \  
       -----> > > Researching these in VA>NC>GA>MS>AL>TX  
   	                 Rentfro  /   
                        Rentfroe /        
                       Rentfrow /  

Also Researching:  Shaddox / Shaddix...in GA               
                   Crimm / Crim...in MS, AL, TX  
                   Post...in NJ>VA>NC>GA>AL>LA>TX        
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:58:56 EDT
Reply-To:     Bob Oliphant <oliphant@BBN.COM>
From:         Bob Oliphant <oliphant@BBN.COM>
Subject:      Genealogy Meeting Postponed
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

The following meeting, originally scheduled for last Saturday, was
postponed until March 13, becuase of the snow storm.  If you are
particularly interested in this subject, you might want to read the
following article submitted by Dr. Viles to _MASSOG, A Genealogical
Magazine of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts_, the quarterly journal of
the Massachusetts Society of Genealogists:

"Causes of Death in the Late 19th Century," MASSOG, vol. 14, no. 3, pp.
76-77 (Sept., 1990).

MIDDLESEX CHAPTER
MASSACHUSETTS SOCIETY OF GENEALOGISTS

Program and Business Meeting

Topic:          "Causes of Death in the 19th Century"

Speaker:        Peter H. Viles, MD

Date:           Saturday, March 13, 1993        1:30 pm

Place:          Eliot Hall, Walnut Hill School*
                12 Highland St., Natick

Dr. Peter H. Viles will speak about causes of death as given in death
certificates and records in the 19th century.  Compared to modern
medical thinking, physicians of that date suffered from three basic
deficiencies: lack of knowledge of basic science, lack of diagnostic and
therapeutic tools, and a lack of education.  Dr. Viles will discuss 19th
century medical terminology and relate it to todayUs terminology, and he
will also identify the common causes of death at this time.  Bring your
questions on any strange maladies or causes of death you would like
identified.  Dr. Viles is a physician at the University of Massachusetts
Medical Center in Worcester and has been an active member of MSoG.  He
has served as the President of the Worcester Chapter of MSoG and was
recently elected Vice President of the state organization.

        The Middlesex Chapter of the Massachusetts Society of
Genealogists is an organization of amateur, family and professional
genealogists who meet to exchange information about family history
research.  Chapter meetings are held on the second Saturday afternoon of
each month (except July and Au gust) in various Middlesex County cities
and towns.  There is NO admission charge and everyone is welcome.

* Directions to Walnut Hill School:  Heading south on Rte. 27 in Natick,
at stoplight where White Hen Pantry is on your right, turn left onto
Bacon St.  At stop sign at end of Bacon St. (almost 1 mile), turn right
onto Walnut St.  Take the second left onto Highland St.  Go up Highland
St. to school, and parking lot is on the right.  Eliot Hall is across
the street from the parking lot and to the left P follow the signs.

Bob Oliphant
oliphant@bbn.com

**Researching OLIPHANT, DAVIDSON, STRANAGHAN, HORTON, MAY, MILLER**
****GEIST, ROHRBACH, ALLEN, PORTER, BEARDSLEY, CANTLEY, CROSLEY****
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:19:41 -0800
Reply-To:     Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
From:         Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Where is Olney?
Comments: To: Trevor Jenkins <tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk>
Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu>

On Thu, 10 Dec 1992, Trevor Jenkins wrote:

> In article <9212091849.AA13568@enet-gw.pa.dec.com> "Mike writes:
>
> > Last night, while watching a TV program on PBS about John Newton who
> > wrote the hymn "Amazing Grace", the program showed the Church where
> > John Newton was the minister. The graveyard showed numerous tombstones
> > and two of them struck me with names that I'm tracing. I know it's
> > a thousand to one shot but I've traced thinner leads.
> >
> > Now the question, where is Olney? I assume it's in Scotland but one
> > can never tell.
>


> I think that you are confusing it with the ORKney islands. There is an
> Olney in Buckinghamshire about 10 miles due west of Bedford and 7 miles
> north of Milton Keynes/Bletchley. It must be something in the water around
> there as John Bunyan was incarcerated in Bedford goal and lived just south
> of Bedford. :-)
>

No, he isn't confusing it with the ORKney islands.  The Olney that Mike is
asking about is the town in N. Buckinghamshire.  John Newton was curate
there beginning around 1760.  It was also there that William Cowper served
as his assistant (1767-86) and helped him write (edit) the "Olney Hymns).


Frieda M. Davison
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:24:36 EST
Reply-To:     Patricia.A.Crossett@DARTMOUTH.EDU
From:         Patricia.A.Crossett@DARTMOUTH.EDU
Subject:      DeRussy, Hoyle families
Comments: To: "ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU" <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

A friend has become interested in genealogy and I wondered if any of you have
any connections with the DeRussy and Hoyle families so he can further his
research.

Thanks a lot.

Pattie Crossett
crossett@mac.dartmouth.edu
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:36:07 -0500
Reply-To:     Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
From:         Carol Botteron <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Thanks, Alf!  I didn't record who posted this originally, but in the
genealogical spirit of sharing information, I'll post it again:

     _ _ _                       __
    ' ) ) )                     /  ) /            _/_
     / / / _  __  __  __  ,    /    /_  __  o _   /  ______  __.  _
    / ' (_</_/ (_/ (_/ (_/    (__/ / /_/ (_<_/_)_<__/ / / <_(_/|_/_)_
                        /          *
                     (.'           |
                                  /o\
                                 //|\\o
                               o///|\\\
                               ////|\\\\
                             o/////|\\\\\o
                             //////|\\\\\\
                   _\/_________   |||   _________\/___
                  |New ancestor| |||||  |New ancestor|
                  |   for you  |        |  for me    |
                  --------------        --------------


(Or, of course, enjoyable holidays-of-your-choice!)
(I hope that's Elizabeth Smith's or Lucina Daniels's parents
in that right-hand box!)

Carol Botteron    botteron@bu-it.bu.edu    botteron@ai.mit.edu
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Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.30]
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:07:31 MST
Reply-To:     Joe Price <price@PHYSICS.ISU.EDU>
From:         Joe Price <price@PHYSICS.ISU.EDU>
Subject:      Packard Bell computers
Comments: To: roots-l distribution <roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu>

I am considering getting a new computer for my genealogy program.  The
Packard Bell line of computers are sold by several chain stores in my
area and are on sale right now.  Has anyone had any experience with this
brand of computer?  Good or bad?

Please E-mail to me privately.  I will be happy to post a summary of the
responses if any one thinks that this information would be useful.

Joe Price
Pocatello, ID

price@physics.isu.edu
or
pricejoe@ux1.isu.edu
From: hiscrp@nuscc.nus.sg (C R Pennell)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Where is Olney?
Date: 10 Dec 92 08:45:12 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4


There is an Olney in Buckinghamshire. Quite well known. Of course their
could be one elsewhere too.

Richard Pennell History NUS
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:39:46 CST
Reply-To:     JMILLER@PRIME.MHSL.UAB.EDU
From:         JMILLER@PRIME.MHSL.UAB.EDU
Subject:      Geneva Morgan Kendall
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

HELP!!!

I'm trying to find the name of the father of Geneva Morgan KENDALL.  She wasn on
 05/30/1907, supposedly in Livingston, TN.  She married Henry
 Garfi [A [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [
 C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C
  [C [C
From: Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: FirstSearch - The next step up from Melvyl
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:25:42 GMT
X-Sender: nbr@shotton.ncl.ac.uk
X-Mailer: mail-news newcastle perl version

Recently an American colleague told me about the FirstSearch online
cooperative library catalogue service which is I understand run by a
consortium of US libraries. He told me that FirstSearch had about 33
million records in it, including vast numbers of genealogies provided by a
large number of local as well as many major American libraries. He said
institutional subscription to the service was very expensive, but that his
university had temporary access to it.

He offered to do a search for me, so yesterday I emailed him a query for
Randell (plus spelling variations such as Randall, Rendle, etc.)
genealogies. Today I got the results. He found all but two of the 15 items
I had already found (many via Melvyl, others via the Society of
Genealogists Library in London, online access to recent Lib of Congress
records, UK OPACS, etc.). But he also found no less than 44 more
genealogies for me! 

(Unfortunately, most were for Randall, and all were for spelling variants
other than Randell, which seems to have been settled on in my family for at
least two hundred years, from the signatures I have collected; here in the
UK I would guess that nowadays Randall is about four times more frequent
than Randell.)

Can anyone tell me more about FirstSearch, and whether there are economical
means whereby individuals can access the service.

Cheers

Brian

Dept. of Computing Science, University of Newcastle, Newcastle upon Tyne,
NE1 7RU, UK
EMAIL = Brian.Randell@newcastle.ac.uk   PHONE = +44 91 222 7923
FAX = +44 91 222 8232 
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