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From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Alternatives to splitting the newsgroup
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:52:15 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o) writes that splitting c.o.l would
cut the Fidonet and Linux Digest mailing list people out in the cold. 

The Linux Digests mailing list should be easily fixed to support the new
groups (correct me if I'm wrong, since I don't know anything about how
it is implemented, but I can't see any obvious difficulties).  Ditto for
the Fidonet gateway, at least as far as technical difficulties are
concerned.  Political difficulties are a different matter: it is my
understanding that the Fidonet people have a stronger tendency to let
things be as they are because of (valid?) fear for trouble if anything
changes.  However, even if many people are going to get hurt by it, I do
think that _if_ a split was necessary, it should be done even if the
Fidonet people were going to be cut out.  

What _is_ the possibility of changing the Fidonet gateway?  Can the
person running it comment?

Theodore also suggests that I add a section on Usenet etiquette to my
meta-faq.  I'd like to, but the meta-faq (already in my crontab and
posted!) is too long for my liking as it is.  But I'll look into it. 

I'll also make a proposal: how about a mailing list (possibly newsgroup,
but that's what were trying to avoid :-) that summarizes the contents of
c.o.l: it would have some volunteers who take turns (a week at a time,
perhaps) and write summaries of all the threads in c.o.l, i.e. when
somebody asks a question and a zillion people answer it, the summay
contains just the question and a distillation of the answers.  (It is my
opinion, that much of summaries would be like:

	455 questions answered in the FAQ and other documentation asked 
	this week, along with 784 answers to the questions.  All of
	these articles were unnecessary.

But unfortunately I have no researched data to back me up.)

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: fasciano@nil.IRO.UMontreal.CA (Massimo Fasciano)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: New Emacs binary?
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:20:05 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal -- Laboratoire Incognito

Hi,

i was wondering if a binary (shared or static) of Emacs compiled with
a recent (2.2.2) release of GCC was available somewhere?

i kinda remember having seen a discussion about putting the new emacs
in /usr/emacs v.s. /usr/local/emacs and i think /usr/emacs won (and i
agree), so i believe somebody was working on a more recent binary, but
the discussion just ended and Emacs was not mentioned since then.

should we expect a new binary soon?

Thanksinadvance

Massimo.

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From: IO20585@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Xhelp
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:47:38 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Hiya,
I've been running Linux (0.96cpl2 now) for a week or so. I have not
had any real major problems sense then. A really great system, many
congrats to all the developers & those others helping!
I did have to remove the line printing "Unexpected HD interupt" from
hd.c, as mentioned in the FAQ (I'm using a Ultrastor ULTRA 14F controller).

Anyway... I've been having *real* problems trying to get X windows running.
I've read through all the files included with the Xbase release, FAQs,
lotso posts on "how to get X running" with no luck.
I've re-installed X a few times, with different copies. I'm running it on
a Gateway i486/33, w/ a ATI graphics Ultra & 1572 FS monitor.
Yes, I'm using the new 8514/a X386 server in alpha.  The server is not
the problem though, its something small, and dumb, that I can't put my
finger on.  Here's the error that xinit returns (has anyone run accross
this error?):
giving up.

xinit:  Interrupted system call (errno 4):  unable to connect to X server

xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.

Thanx in advance to any Xguru that might be able to help.
From: jliddle@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Jean Liddle)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Two Hard drives?
Summary: BOOT.SYS supports this with NO C: Partition
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:32:42 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <Brt6Lz.7Fp@news.udel.edu> radel@bach.udel.edu (Todd Radel) writes:
>OK, folks, here it is:  How to keep Linux entirely (err, almost) on a 
>second hard disk and still be able to boot without a floppy.  Here's
>what you do:
>
> [ ... ]
>
>1. Backup everything. 
>2. Repartition your primary hard disk (drive C:) and add a 1mb partition
>   somewhere.  My 119mb drive looks like this:
>
>	DOS partition	/dev/hda1	118mb
>	Linux boot	/dev/hda2	1mb
>

This week I completely repartitioned my hard drives, giving LINUX the
Lions Share of space.  To be on the safe side, I mirrored my entire
bootable Linux installation on a partition on the second hard drive and
recompiled the kernel with my ROOT device set to sdb2.  Using mcopy
I copied the resulting Image to the C: drive, from which bootlin4 can
execute it.  I rebooted and Linux worked fine from D:, with absolutely
no reference to anything on C: beyond the initial BOOT.SYS and BOOTLIN
calls.  If your using DOS on your C: drive anyway, this approach would
let you avoid having to create an extraneous 1 MB parition.

Using this approach I was able to mess around with the partitioning
scheme on /dev/sda with no fear of reprisal, beyond having to reinstall
my DOS stuff from floppy backups.  Worked like a charm.

Jean.
-- 
Jean Liddle                                 | == Bill Clinton for President ==
Computer Science, Illinois State University | 
e-mail:  jliddle@ilstu.edu                  | - Carol Mosley Braun for Senat -
From: tdunbar@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: olvwm
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:30:31 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA


the olvwm binary that's been posted at banjo.concert.net for a good
while is the window manager i regularly use (with linux 0.96c-p2).
 why all these msgs for a binary that's already there?
  thomas
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: say goodbye to shoelace
Originator: btc30679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:45:22 GMT

pmacdona@sol.UVic.CA (Peter MacDonald) writes:

>With the addition of the DOS FS, the kernel has grown to over 
>256K, which, if my memory serves me correctly,  was the max 

If you don't compile in the SCSI drivers, it still slides in at >just<
under 256k.

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bjl@sif.pttrnl.nl (Ben Lippolt)
Subject: Re: Device names (was Re: ttys2 not responding)
Reply-To: B.J.Lippolt@research.ptt.nl
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:46:21 GMT

Rob.Levin@f217.n3802.z1.fidonet.org (Rob Levin) writes:

> TT>  /dev/hd0a is the first partition on the first drive
> TT>  /dev/hd1a is the first partition on the second drive etc.

>You seem to be arguing that, because something is done a certain way in
>DOS, it is anathema.  I'll be interested in hearing other, more
>substantive, arguments.  ;-)

>Could you be more specific on the BSD convention for hard disk naming? 
>And for partitions, if such a thing exists in the vanilla BSD
>environment?

My experience with BSD is mainly SunOS. in SunOS the conventions are as
follows:

Disk drives are numbered, starting with 0. SCSI disks are 'sd', SMD is
'xy', IPI is 'id', etc. So, your first SCSI drive is 'sd0'. However, there
is no '/dev/sd0' device. Each disk can have up to 8 partitions, numbered
'a' to 'h'. 

The Sun conventions for a standalone system with one disk are that:
sd0a   = /
sd0b   = swap
sd0c   = entine disk
sd0d   = not used
sd0e   = not used
sd0f   = not used
sd0g   = /usr
sd0h   = /home

This is the way Sun distributes there disks. Of course, you can choose any
other way to setup your disk. We have several disk where we use /dev/sd0a
as the entire disk (ie. we use the whole disk as one partition).

Personally, I think it doesn't matter much ehether you call the disks
'sda1'..'sda8' or 'sd0a'..'sd0h'. Maybe we should stick to the *standard*
(ie. what most /good/ unices use), but don't ask me what that standard is
because I don't know much about SysV.


Ben Lippolt
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: lhanson@moose.uvm.edu (lhanson)
Subject: re: olvwm
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:33:23 GMT

	I would like to add my voice to the plea for olvwm binaries.
Would someone please upload binaries that run under 0.96c?  I have
tried to compile the current sources from banjo.concert.net and have
not been successful (fatal errors in olwm.c).  The Makefile also
requires flex; where are the current sources for flex?

Lee

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mike@hectic.demon.co.uk (Mike Davies)
Subject: How much space is needed for installing Linux
Distribution: world
Organization: MMD
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:01:33 +0000


In article <1992Jul28.211536.12210@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> sundaram@cps.msu.edu writes:

>I was reading the FAQ and I came upon the section where it talks about how 
>much disk space is neede for installing Linux. It seems that about 40MB is
>needed - but the answer is not quite clear. There is some mention that X takes
>up 150MB! 
>
>Once and for all please help me answer this question:
>        suppose I wanted to install linux, with gcc and g++ etc and 
>        a few (not all) utilities and a fully functional X-windows system
>        then how much disk space (in an uncompressed format) should I set 
>        aside. 

40megs will give you all that, probably with 5-10 spare, depending on 
what utilities you choose. You only need 150 is you're going to
insist on keeping *all* the sources on-line all the time - as some
people do, apparently :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hlu@phys1.physics.wsu.edu (Hongjiu Lu)
Subject: Re: Compiling GDB 4.6 died: missing machine/reg.h ??
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 21:27:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.173749.13704@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, wuwei@acf3.nyu.edu (Wei Wu) writes:
|> I tried to compile gdb 4.6. It is supposed to support linux.
|> I configured for linux. The make died in making bfd lib.
|> Missing header file <machine/reg.h>. Am I missing something 
|> on my system ?
|> 
|> 
|> Wei Wu (wuwei@acf3.nyu.edu)

Make a dummy for <machine/reg.h> and <sys/reg.h>, like

cd /usr/include
touch machine/reg.h
touch sys/reg.h

In gcc 2.2.2d, I used

#ifndef xxxxxxx
#define xxxxxxx
#endif

-- 
H.J.
Gcc/libc maintainer for Linux.
From: faith@cs.unc.edu (Rik Faith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: FOLLOWUP: fileutl-3.3B* and find-3.7B*: possible problems
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:39:58 GMT


This note explains the problems that I was having with fu-3.3's cp, what
caused these problems, and why cp is really *SAFE*!

The only documented problem with fu-3.3's cp involves cp'ing a kernal image
for booting with shoelace (i.e., cp Image /vmunix).  The cp in 3.3, since I
compiled it with a kernel that has st_blocks working correctly (i.e., 0.96c
pl2) is now able to detect when a file has "holes" in it.  It will then try
to copy the "holes."  It does this during the copy by looking for a block of
zeros, and when finding such a block, using an lseek() to move past the block
[*instead* of a write()].  [This is information is from an examination of the
GNU source.]  The filesystem is apparently smart enough to *not* allocate a
block for these zero's, thereby storing the file more efficiently.

However, shoelace *CANNOT* correctly read a file that contains "holes."

So, I had two *IDENTICAL* kernel images, one created with a new cp and one
created with an old cp.  They were identical in terms of size, sum, and diff.
One would boot and the other would not.  This seemed very weird, and since
a new utility that I has posted was involved, I decided to err on the side
of caution and post a retraction message (especially since I had made some
optimizations in the compilation of the posted binaries). It now seems that
this was not necessary, and that the files that I posted are *SAFE*.

Sorry for the confusion.

When 2.2.2d gets released, I'll be posting new compilations.  In the mean
time, the old (and new) versions are available from
ftp.cs.unc.edu:/pub/faith/uploads.  I won't bother putting these on tsx-11
or on banjo again unless there is some demand.

-- 
Rik Faith: faith@cs.unc.edu
From: zlsiial@uts.mcc.ac.uk (A. V. Le Blanc)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Minor problems with Linux
Date: 26 Jul 92 09:57:37 GMT
Reply-To: LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Computing Centre, University of Manchester

In article <711857605.F00038@remote.halcyon.com> Rob.Levin@f217.n3802.z1.fidonet.org (Rob Levin) writes:
>
> CM> Speaking of .profiles, what is the name of the ".login" that bash
>executes
> CM> just before coming up?  I would like to set my PATH variable
> CM> to inclue "."...
>
>It seems to vary from root disk to root disk.  Try ".bash_profile" on
>Jim Winstead's root, though you may have to change your shell name in
>/etc/passwd to "bash" instead of "sh".  On MCC, I'm not sure.

The problem is that bash works differently depending on whether it is
named as /bin/sh or as /bin/bash.  I very much doubt if anyone's changing
defaults for this.  As /bin/sh it looks for ~/.profile, and as /bin/bash
for ~/.bash_profile first and ~/.profile second (I think it's actually a
little more complex, but haven't got the references to hand).  For this
reason the three login-able user names for the MCC interim versions have
~/.profile files.  Moreover, the default PATH variables for all user names
in that distribution already, as I recall, include '.' in the PATH;
that is, for all user names except 'root' and perhaps 'bin'.

     -- Owen
     LeBlanc@mcc.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: Alternatives to splitting the newsgroup
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:35:05 GMT

   Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 23:28:15 EDT
   From: bogstad@blaze.cs.jhu.edu

	   Are you planning to screen questions before sending them out to
   people?  Otherwise why do you need to know what areas people feel
   comfortable with?  

No, I don't plan to screen questions; however, I've been considering
setting up more than one list:  i.e., linux-questions, linux-questions-X,
and linux-questions-gcc.  There probably will be relatively few such
categories.  I plan to write software which will automatically take each
question and send it to the next person on the list.  No human
intervention should be required.

							- Ted
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: unixsys@ssg.com (Rick Emerson)
Subject: Re: ttys1 troubles.....Any supermen (ahem...people)?
Organization: System Support Group
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:22:53 GMT

kenc@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ken Corey - Operator) writes:

> 
> kxb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Karl R. Buck) writes:
> >[ Ken describes problems using ttys1 and ttys2]
> >Just in case you are using the newest version of the mcc-interim
> >Linux, check to see if com1==/dev/ttys0 and com2==/dev/ttys1 instead
> >of using ttys1, tts2. 
> 
> Well, I *did* recreate all the /dev/ttys* files (4-64, 4-66, 4-67 and 4-68
> respectively)
> 
> I got rid of anything that referred to the serial ports.
> 
> I recompiled kermit using gcc 2.2.2, and recompiled the kernel as well...if
> anything, things have deteriorated.
> [...]
> 

I dunno.  In my case, the problem went away on its own (which means I
stopped doing some undefined stupid thing) and I've been bopping in and out
of XWS all day without a complaint from my mouse on /dev/ttys0.  The modem
on /dev/ttys1 has been working pretty well, too.  

Maybe you have a hardware problem?  Have you checked to see what ports Linux
finds on start-up?

Rick


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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ujlh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (James Henrickson)
Subject: Re: Transfering files from floppy
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:58:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.222916.26001@nevada.edu> otto@nevada.edu (Frederick J. Haab) writes:
>
>Ok, it's me again, that new user.  I found all the sites
>that carry linux stuff, thanks to all who replied.  I can
>use linux's kermit to download the smaller things.  At
>school, I can use a sparc station to copy the bigger things
>to a floppy disk.
>
>How do I transfer this to my hard disk at home?
>Should I:
>	Use dd, then tar xzf, like the installation disks?
>	Copy to disk in msdos format, then how do I read them?
>

Use dd (ON A FORMATTED FLOPPY!), then tar xzf.  Note that this is only
possible if the file is small enough to fit on the floppy.  I haven't
had to deal with multi-volume archives yet, meaning I haven't bought enough
floppies to back up my Linux partitions.  :-)

Note that I wrote "ON A FORMATTED FLOPPY".  This is a good idea for
everyone, after the problem I had over the weekend.  I formatted a bunch
of floppy disks a while back and used them for temporary file systems and
for bootable floppies.  I tried making a bootable floppy with patch1 and
patch2, and it didn't work.  I suspected a new bug in the kernel that
kept Linux from running on my machine, until I check it out under MS-DOS
(sorry guys, had to because my linux disk was hosed -- but that's a
different story) and found that the disk was defective.  "dd" didn't detect
a problem when it wrote the bootimage, so I had no idea it was the floppy.
Formatting a new floppy disk and writing the bootimage to it took care of
everything.  After this incident, I would recommend formatting your target
floppy immediately before you copy a boot image (or anything, for that matter)
to it.


-- 
Jim H.
*
* James L. Henrickson                                 ujlh@sunyit.edu
* "Yet another Jim in the Linux world."  :-)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: nhc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (n.h.chandler)
Subject: Re: New MGR testing version for programmers available per ftp
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:56:11 GMT
Summary: MGR beta

In article <terryd.711792268@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU>, terryd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Terry Dawson) writes:
> mp3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Francis Polis) writes:
> 
> >I had trouble getting the files by ftp.  First, my machine wouldn't
> >recognize the host ftp.thp.uni-koeln.de.  I think it's the same as
> >vax.ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.64.1] but ftp attempts to that host
> >time out, and ping looses 40% of its packets.
> 

Michael Haardt has made another host containing the MGR beta version
available.  Try [134.95.80.1],  I had the same problem trying to access
ftp.thp.uni-koeln.de. 

BTW Michael, I tried to contact you by e-mail but it bounced.  Thanks
for your response.  I have downloaded the MGR beta from the alternate
host.

Neville Chandler
nhc@mtdcr.att.com

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: schlote@ips106.desy.de (Hans Werner Schlote)
Subject: Re: Registry of ongoing projects
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron, Hamburg, Germany.
	<1992Jul21.173622.23652@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:32:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.173622.23652@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:

>  I was reading the flamefest on the deficiencies of Linux, and I got to 
>  wondering if anybody was working on adding ATI support to the X-windows
>  stuff, and if anybody was working on adding 32-bit SCSI support, and so
>  on and so forth. 
There is some guy working on ATI support right now. Excuse, don't
have his name in mind.
>  It also occurred to me that multiple people might be working on the same
>  project (unknowingly) and duplicating each other's work. So I thought it
>  might be a Good Idea (patent pending) to start a registry of on-going
>  Linux projects. I don't know if one exists, but I'd be more than happy
>  to run it if it doesn't (well, I can't program worth beans in C or 
>  assembly language, and I'd like to do something to contribute to this
>  _*EXCELLENT*_ OS -- Thanks a million, Linus).
Same from me. I think you should post your projects to Linus.
But a database wouldn't be a bad idea in my opinion.
>  So whaddya think? We could have the programmers out there send me a message
>  stating what their project is, what the status of it is, etc, and I could
>  summarize and post a List of Ongoing Projects, perhaps in conjunction with
>  the FAQ (which'll be "fortnightly", according to the latest version).
What about a database-system like NED (NASA/IPAC database on
extragalactic objects at caltech). Guest login without passwd,
simply with autostarting the database for getting the informations?
   Opinions, comments, ideas? 
Think it's a good idea.

have a nice hack
harvey

e-mail adress: schlote@ips102.desy.de
From: probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: XV and Linux Question
Date: 23 Jul 1992 04:20:08 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: xv

mnrausch@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Martin Rausche) writes:

>Hi!

>I've got a little problem with xv under Linux. When I click the NORM button
>in the ColEdit window I always get "floating point exception (core dumped)".
>I'm running Linux 0.96cpl2 on my 486/33 without math emulation code. I've
>got xv from banjo.concert.net:/pub/Linux/X11/Incoming. Is this a bug in xv?

>Thanks in advance. Martin.
>---
>Martin Rausche                      is mnrausch@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
>"Wir hippen und wir hoppen, wir rappen wie die Deppen" -- Das kleine Arschloch

Are you using the binary from banjo? I have a feeling the binary was compiled
with the soft math library, to accomodate everyone and that is the problem
I pulled down the original sources from gatekeeper.dec.com and have
a version compiled for the 486/33 on a system just like yours. My version
has no problem on any function in it, including Color editing. If there is
enough intrest, I will post it to banjo when the new X and GCC come out.
If you or anyone else wants, you can just email me and I will send you my
notes if you just want to compile it yourself.

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