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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Eagles : YIKES!
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:17:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.062651.16473@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>jg> John P. Gloria
>
>  [To Ed Lor]
>
>jg> The more you "talk" the more obvious it becomes that you have no sense or
>    understanding of the game of football.
>
>  That's a rich one! Ed is one of the more knowledgable posters to r.s.f.p,
>  but since you haven't been around very long, I don't expect you to know
>  that. Of course, that hasn't kept you from sticking your keyboard deep
>  into your........(I'll be nice) mouth.
>
>jg> Football is based on tradition of winning and the good organizations have
>    a way of retaining this winning attitude. The Eagles have yet to sustain
>    any winning traditions that have culminated in championships and SB wins.
>
>  BFD. A "winning tradition" isn't the least bit necessary to win an SB. All
>  it takes is some good play and decent luck, and help from the NFL playoff
>  system. Sure, the better teams *usually* make it, but some not-so-good
>  ones have as well.
>
>jg> ...[J]ust take a look of the traditions of the five former SB winners. 
>
>  Which five? The 5 most recent ones? 2 for the Redskins, 2 for the 49ers,
>  and 1 for the Giants. 
>
>jg> Do you see a commonality there? Clue: tradition! It takes a winner to be
>    a winner. The Eagles are not yet winners of anything except 4 games, get
>    a clue.
>
>  Gee, they've won only 1/4 of all their games, in convincing fashion, and
>  yet you say it means nothing. What a maroon!
>
>--
>Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
>strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF

I love it when morons like yourself Gary, do not have the slightest
clue, even if it hits over the head with 2x4. Please hang on to your
visions of grandeur, etc., etc. It will be short lived. You will be
home sucking a Bud Light, along with all the Eagles football team,
crying in misery while someone else is playing in the SB. You will be
muttering, in a low, barely discernible voice, "Geesh, we were doing
so good, what happened?" :-( If you really believe Cunningham and CO.
are so great, then prepare yourselves for a fall. The Eagle will
crash land in a puff of feathers! :-) Gee, I love this! 

Clue: don't take life so seriously. Another clue: don't take my stuff
so seriously either. I am just having fun pulling your feathers. :-)
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain
From: richard@smok.demon.co.uk (Richard Clyne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: shortest player?
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:06:50 GMT
Organization: Richard Clyne (Home System)


In article <BvMutF.9st@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu writes:

>
>Who is the current Shortest Man in the NFL?  I think we should salute
>such courageous fellas . . . .
>
>
>-- 
>
>Gary Beason                           bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
>Purdue University, English            bubba@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Eudora)
>  
>
>

I think the lightest deserves more praise.

In the recent past, how about Gerald Mcneil 5'7" 147lb WR/KR/PR for
the Cleveland Browns.

--
Richard Clyne
319 Violet Lane, Croydon, Surrey, CR4 4HN. Tel +44 (0)81 686 7159
richard@smok.demon.co.uk
rclyne@cix.compulink.co.uk
From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys: Wright trade soon?
Keywords: n
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:52:35 GMT
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas

In article <1b45r3INNmcc@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.121216.574@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com> robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese) writes:
>>
>>With the activation of Jimmy Smith,  look for Ace to be traded soon
>>for a backup running back and some other compensation.
>>
>
>Ditto from this neck of the woods, except that the Cowboys may try
>to get strictly a draft choice for him.  I would be surprised if he
>had much trade value, but maybe I misunderstand the value of speed in
>the NFL.  Maybe someone is just looking for a kick returner...
>
>Let's see, who could Dallas get?  And what does this possibility mean for
>the future of Blake and Richards?  They are not that far from being ready,
>and Dallas only has room in its offense for 4 RB....
>
>How about these possibilities?
>
>Trade to NO for Dalton Hilliard (they want a new WR)
>Trade to SD for Harmon (not much 2nd WR production in last few weeks)
>Trade to Raiders for Marcus Allen (hmmmm, probably too much to ask
>        for, but it sure make a lot of sense..., but too many $
>Other Raider running backs possibly, they have a large stable...
>but they don't need another WR....
>
>Well, those are my best guesses, any others?
>
>*ice*

KC has shown strong interest, but they love their running backs.  I think
Blake is still a ways off and they can't wait for Curvin.

Robert
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Status of Packers' Darrell Thompson?
Date: 12 Oct 1992 19:32:23 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsf.csd.mu.edu

In article <92286.14494032BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>, Nathan Owen <32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>
>They have Buford McGee, Harry Sidney, and Dexter McNabb (who I really think
>could be a good one).  Adding Thompson gives them four of them.  I really
>don't think they need all of them.  I hate to say it but they should release
>either McGee or Sidney.  They are both very similar in their skills,
>although I would favor keeping McGee because of his pure blocking skills,
>although Sidney is the better reciever.

The reason (or the main one IMO) Sydney is there is that
he knows the offense very well , having been previously
with SF. You can infact noticce it on the key plays
like 3rd and 6 or going for 4th down and Harry Sydney
will be present , mainly to set things up in the huddle 
(with Farve as QB) and to see over the formation and block.

When the young Pack players get used to the system 
I think Sydney,Beach will be removed. In fact I expect
Robert Brooks , a rookie WR to get more playing time
ahead of Sanjay Beach (an ex 49'er) in the game against
the Browns.

Bye for no,


************************************************************
N.Ramasubramanian          	    

Dept. of Mech. Engg.	        Listach for ROY
Marquette University       
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From: mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: JGH computer predictions - week 7!
Date: 14 Oct 1992 21:53:57 GMT
Organization: NCEMRSoft
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>Predictions for week 7:  (The number after the game is the amount the
>                          home team is expected to win or lose by.)

>Last week:  9-2!  (Cumulative: 54-21 72%)

>Falcons      17 Dolphins     21    8 +
>Eagles       17 Chiefs       24    1 +
>Cardinals    21 Giants       31    5 +
>Steelers      9 Browns       17   -1 -
>49ers        24 Patriots     12   -8 +
>Seahawks      0 Cowboys      27   13 +
>Bills         3 Raiders      20   -5 -
>Oilers       38 Bengals      24   -3 +
>Jets          3 Colts         6    4 +
>Rams         10 Saints       13   10 +
>Broncos       3 Redskins     34    3 +

C'mon now, you know as well as I do that these numbers don't mean anything.
For one, you seem to be picking the winners only.  Big deal, my Grandma could
do just as well by looking for the line in the sport section line and picking
all the favorites.

If you want to rate a football predictor, you should do it against the spread.
Your program gives you a point spread, so you can do this without too much
effort.  For example, if your program thought Kansas City would beat
Philadelphia by 1 point and the spread for that game was Philly by 2.5 over
Kansas City, your program would have picked Kansas City and it would have won
that pick.  However your program thought the Redskins were only going to win
by 3 over the Broncos, but the Redskins were a 8.5 point favorite.  So your
program would have advised you to put your money on Denver and you would have
lost that bet.

Here's how you _really_ did this week:

Philadelphia      2.5      KANSAS CITY  17 24    (kc +1) = kc = +
San Francisco    16.5      NEW ENGLAND  24 12    (sf +8) = ne = +
DALLAS           15.0          Seattle  27 0     (dl +13)= se = - 
MIAMI             7.5          Atlanta  21 17    (mi +8) = mi = -
NY GIANTS         7.5          Phoenix  31 21    (ny +5) = ph = -
Pittsburgh        3.0        CLEVELAND  9 17     (pt +1) = cl = +
Buffalo           8.0       LA RAIDERS  3 20     (bf +5) = la = +
Houston           7.0       CINCINNATI  38 24    (ho +3) = ci = -
NY Jets           2.5     INDIANAPOLIS  3 6      (in +4) = in = +
NEW ORLEANS       9.0          LA Rams  13 10    (no +10)= no = -
WASHINGTON        8.5           Denver  34 3     (wa +3) = dn = -

So your picker was 5-6 last week.  Had you put $10 on each game you would have
lost $16 total (5 * 10 - 6 * 11).  If you can find a formula which wins against
the spread more than 52.38% of the time (11/21) you have a good formula.

--
______________________________________________________________________________
mike gleason                 mgleason@cse.unl.edu             NCEMRSoft, baby!
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Jets Help!
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:39:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: wvnvms.1992Oct12.151759.3742
Distribution: usa
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <1992Oct7.144057.2732@news2.cis.umn.edu>, khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu writes:
> Hello Jets fans!  Do any of you know what's up with Blair Thomas and his
> carrying the ball newar the goal line?  I see that he leads the teams in
> carries and yards every week, but Brad Baxter seems to be the man at the
> goal line.  Is this going to continue all year?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -------------------------------------
> Kevin Hansen
> MN Twin Family Study - U of MN
> khansen@epx.cis.umn.edu - (612)626-7224
> -------------------------------------

I haven't watched the Jets yet this year, but from what I know about them,
Thomas is more of an open field, tailback type runner.  Baxter is a fullback,
and is bigger, and stronger.  Near the goal line it generally becomes "who goes
forward AFTER the collision" football.  Baxter is more likely to knock a LB
into the end zone then Thomas is, even though Thomas is a better open field
runner.  See, when your backed against the goal line defenses don't worry as
much about the pass, and begin to overplay the run, so Thomas' dodge'em running
isn't likely to get the short range score.
	-Skins fan that hates Rypien
From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings 31 Lions 14
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:33:10 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

In article <1bl9v5INNo80@uwm.edu> caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes:
>

>	and all but elimanated from the NFC Central race. Vikings 
>	continue to lead the division, and have some tough games coming
>	up against PHI,SF,HOU and WAS. These will be the real test.
>	Here's to hoping they win a few of those! :)

Yes, but gosh it's nice knowing that they don't have to win all of
those.  :-)   The closest competition is playing each other on
Sunday.  Sit back and enjoy the weekend and get ready for the
Redskins!!!

>	ps- Didnt someone give some 10 points and the Lions? Well, whoever
>	    took that bet, got taken to the cleaners, as the Vikings win
>	    by 17. :)

Yep, I'm glad I KNOW more than NOTHING about football.  :-)
-- 
Eric Sybesma
University of Michigan
sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
sybesma@maize.engin.umich.edu
From: markn@firenze.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packers cut Billups
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:25:36 GMT
Reply-To: markn@firenze.orc.olivetti.com (Mark Nass)
Organization: Olivetti Research California

>   I read in the paper also that he was cut.  From what I can remember, the 
>   article said that Buckley started the Atlanta game and that Billups was
>   upset over losing his starting job.  I guess he lost more than that now.
>   About Buckley being ready to start, I don't know if he is ready to but 
>   he will start.  I saw him get burned on one touchdown pass from Miller to
>   Rison in the Atlanta game.  Buckley looked completely lost on the play.
>  


   I saw the game and remeber the touchdown that Buckley got burned on. 
It looked to me like he let Rison get past him and just let him go, and then 
realised that nobody was there to cover him. I wonder who blew their
assignment?
  The announcers just made it sound like Rison beat him in man coverage.



Mark Nass
From: iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Kelly's status for this Sunday?
Keywords: Will he start?
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:25:36 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Oct8.221844.18276@sequent.com> newson@sequent.com (Newson) writes:

>C'mon all you Bills fans, is Kelly up for the challenge this weekend? Will he
>start? Is he probable, doubtful, or questionable?

>thx,
Kelly (the competitor that he is) is going to play (i.e. probable) despite
his bursa sac.  If you know Kelly, you know that he's going to bounce back for
a big game like he did after KC last year (42-6 waxing of Indy) and as he did

two years ago after a week 2 loss to Miami. 
 
    B
>-newson
From: dchou@husc8.harvard.edu (David Chou)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Browns News - 1st qtr review - Steeler preview
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:24:58 GMT

martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:

>In article <1992Oct9.105248.9055@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:

					[ deleted... ]

>>3. Predictions:
>>   - Pittsburgh has a strong defense and they should be able to stop the
>>     Browns running game.  Thus the Browns will try a couple of trick
>>     plays (ie end-arounds or halfback option passes.) A couple of 
>>     successful trick plays will keep the defense guessing.

>Green Bay ran well against Pitt, and passed at will.  Cleveland
>will run ok.  How's Tomczak looking?  As a Packer fan, I think
>he's an adequate, but not great, QB.  Strock was probably a bit
>better, Pagel a wee bit worse.

>>   - The Browns will need to go deep a couple of times so as to get the
>>     safeties and cornerbacks away from the line of scrimmage.

>Yes.

>>   - The defense MUST stop the running game and MUST pressure the QB.
>>     O'Donnell must be forced to pass.

>O'Donnell is easily rattled and his receivers stink.  If Cowher
>abandons the running game prematurely (as he did when GB got a
>small lead), the Browns will win.

Xsquueze me?  Uh...no.  I remember a guy named Graham who isn't doing too
badly this year.  Oh, and another guy named Stone whose hands finally seems 
to belie his name, and always had 4.2 speed.  Oh, and I understand that this
TE named Green is scheduled to return soon, along with his buddy Adrian
Cooper.  They just might have a small influence on the game.  Finally, poor
O'Donnell had a career-low performance against GB last week...makes you
want to forget all of what he did against Houston, New York, and San Deigo.
Then again, you could be right...the plane into Cleveland might crash,
and then since Cowher might have to abandon his running game prematurely,
I guess the Browns would then win...

							-Dave
From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dallas was beaten by bad luck, not the eagles!
Date: 9 Oct 1992 18:48:46 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <QeopZRe00WB=QHUY5e@andrew.cmu.edu> "Joseph E. Beck" <jb8n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Oh, btw Dallas got 1 of the biggest breaks of all:  the ref made a
>mistake on their 2nd possession (and should have been their 2nd
>turnover) and didn't award the ball to the eagles after Smith's
>fumble.  Please don't tell us the Eagles got lucky.  When a defense
>gets lucky every week, perhaps something else is the cause.

I've been hearing about this "shoulda been" fumble all week,
even though it was early in the game and didn't have a direct
bearing on the game.  The Eagles (Heath "Bar" Sherman, I think)
also fumbled during a run, the Cowboys jumped up with the ball
thinking they had recovered a fumble, only to discover that the
ball carrier was ruled down.  Dan Dierdorf quickly passed it
off as "his forward progress was stopped".  Why doesn't everybody
give the refs some credit in ruling the Smith fumble in a 
similar manner?  Why was Emmitt's fumble a missed call while
Sherman's was called correctly?  For that matter, why discuss
missed calls at all, I thought that was the reason why instant
replay was abolished - to leave the calls in the hands of the
officials.  After all, they all "even out", right?


Ray      GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:23:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Who the hell was Al Michaels?
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>(Jeff Austin) /  7:06 pm  Oct 13, 1992 /

>	OK, I know who Gifford was, and not that I care, I know who Dierdork
>	was.  But can someone clue me in on Al Michaels?  Does he have anything

Michaels is not an ex-pro athlete but a longtime sportscaster.  At one
time in the '70s he was the announcer for the S. F. (baseball) Giants,
then went on to become a network sportscaster.  He is a much better
baseball announcer than football announcer, IMHO.

- Gary Rosen
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Eagles : YIKES!
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:17:16 GMT

rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:

>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

>>The Niners best will ALWAYS be beat the Eagles best. End result, 
>>Niners WIN, Eagles LOSE. Please prove to me that the Eagles are
>>better than ANYBODY, based on championships and or SB wins. ZERO!
>>Come on, get a grip. The Niners are the one of the teams ALL other 
>>teams measure themselves against if they have any brains.Which most don't,BTW.

>Ummm... I would remind you that the Eagles had 3 NFL Championships to their
>name before the Niners even had one. The Eagles were back-to-back NFL Champs
>in '48-'49 and Champs again in '61...

I meant 1960, not 1961... I dont know what I was thinking...

>>The Eagles have yet to sustain any winning traditions that
>>have culminated in championships and SB wins. Get a clue. Clue to
>>the uninformed, just take a look of the traditions of the five
>>former SB winners. Do you see a commonality there? Clue: tradition!
>>It takes a winner to be a winner. The Eagles are not yet winners
>>of anything except 4 games, get a clue.
>>-- 
>>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	

Oh, and just for the record... The Eagles are 4-1 in NFC Championship
games (by the way, please remember that the NFC Championship was the
NFL Championship from '33-'69). The Niners are only 4-4 in the NFC
Championship game (and all of these came in an era when the NFC Championship
game didnt mean as much as it did pre 1970). So if you want to talk clutch
performance and tradition you look at the Eagles, not Niners!

It would appear from the above mentioned stats, that the Eagles are a more
consistent post-season Championship winner than the Niners, wouldnt you
say? I mean we have the same number of victories in just over half as
many opportunities... eat that...

-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
|rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu           Ross Smith              smith@oscar.udel.edu|
|    "I really hate that dog...." - Dr. Chase Matthews, Pet Semetary 2       |
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From: TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: What the fuck is the Bills problem?
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:14:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa


 
      Thankfully, I was stuck in my office all day yesterday and didnt get
to see the Bills get thier asses kicked AGAIN.  I thought that the Raiders
were a better team than thier record indicated, but the Bills have more
or less owned them in recent memory (at least 4 years, right?).  Those
of you that saw the game, what happened? What is going on? 13 measly
shitty points in 2 games?  They must be on crack or something. I am
a huge bills fan, and grew up in Buffalo, so I am having a great deal
of trouble dealing with this.  I see Kelly's stats, and they dont look
bad.  Is the defense playing that poorly?  I have been calling for
Marv Levy's head ever since sb XXV. Can anyone tell me if this is a
coaching problem?  I didnt think that I'd live to see the day that
a team with as much talent as the Bills would be 2 games out in their
own division.  I think that Miami is doing a great job, and are going
to be tough to beat.  I dread the thought of the road to the super bowl
not going across I90 through Buffalo.  Can someone out there let me
in on the problem?
   In a sense, I feel vindicated.  My power ratings have consistently put
the Raiders high up on the list.  Now we know they arent as bad as everyone
keeps telling me.  Oh, well, I guess I'll go drink myself into a stupor.
 
Tom Steegmann
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Eagle Feces
Followup-To: <21039@plains.NoDak.edu>
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:17:11 GMT


In article: <21039@plains.NoDak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:


>After the Bills were up on a 4-0 start, we could hear all the
>Bills fans screaming all over the net and asking to bring in
>the "Fish". Now after the Dolphins have upset the Bills( It
>is only one game), the Dolfans are now out for blood of the
>Bills' fans.  After these victories over each other, some of
>the fans have already started envisioning Super-Bowl victories
>.  It is a personal right to dream, but not to become blind.
>
>Occassionally, these AFC teams run into some mighty NFC teams
>as part of their regular season schedule and are rendered a
>thorough spanking and these fans
          ^^^^^^^^
You mean like this- Kansas City 24 Philadelphia 17?

> come out of their stupor: See the 30-0
>rout of the Broncos by the Eagles.

And like this- Miami 21 Atlanta 17? (Still unbeaten and beat two
mighty NFC teams in the process) is currently 6-0 at JRS against the
mighty NFC, and is 58-15 overall against the mighty NFC.

>
>But the blind fans do not learn and are back into their cocoon
>when their team beats up another weak AFC rival and the day
>dreaming starts all over again. It is just like the proverbial
>ostrich burying its head in the sand: If I cannot see others,
>no one else can see me.

Be carefull removing the sand from your eyes, I've heard it can scratch
your cornea.

>
>After seeing the Eagles perform, I ask, Is there any AFC-team
>which can take on the Eagles when it counts. No offence, I just
>cannot see a single AFC team having the credentials.

Note above: Kansas City 24 Philadelphia 17, does that answer your
rediculous question Mr. Ostrich?

>
>S.H
>Go Vikes!!  
 ^^^^^^^^
Now there's a real mighty NFC team with the same distinction as Denver
when it comes to utter Super Bowl futility. Does the term 0-4 sound familiar?
It should!


John "Go Dolphins, another Super Bowl victory in `93" T.





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