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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:00:58 EST
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From:         Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Christian Music

All of this talk about Amy Grant has caused me once again to marvel at how we
Christians so often and so callously attack each other without even stopping
to think about how others might perceive us.

Here is what I mean:  We have been exposed to an article by a Hindu author
who critiques Amy's musical style (not her message, mind you) positively.  Many
of us have jumped on that critique as evidence that Amy must not be doing her
job very well in fulfilling the great commandment to "Go therefore and tell."
Others of us have come to her defense.

Now, the complaints are not that she sings about true love for children, or
within a marriage, or for her own devotion to children and husband.  No, the
complaints are lodged that she doesn't go far enough.  She doesn't talk about
God in every other sentence (now how many of us really work that into every
single topic we may be asked about?), and she doesn't use God's name in every
single song she sings.

What is really amusing about this, is that there are other artists who would
not receive the same criticism Amy is getting, but who probably deserve it
even more.  I am thinking in particular about one artist who I saw interviewed
a while ago, and I forget where (sorry).  For years, BJ Thomas put out some
very inspiring Christian music.  He glorified God in every single one.  He had
many Christian fans.  But in this interview, he denied being a Christian.
Gospel music had been a way into the industry.  In his interview he was
complaining about the fact that once he had established a name for himself,
he could not disassociate himself from Christian music.

Now here's the rub:  On the one hand, a Christian artist who let's everyone
know she is a Christian (even if she doesn't speak of her conversion experience
in every single interview), lives her life by Christian values, and sings "good
clean songs" that don't always mention God's name, but always mention the
values that we profess to live by.  On the other hand, a non-Christian artist
who always sang songs about God, but who did it for the money and did not live
a Christian lifestyle.  It seems to me that Amy's image is a whole lot better
by comparison.

I freely admit that I do not work Christ's name into every single conversation
that I have.  And I'm not apologizing.  If I did, it would not be very long
before no more non-Christians associated with me.  But every one of them
knows where I stand, and they know how I live my life.

I think we should get back to more productive topics than berating Christian
role models who don't quite live up to what we want them to be.  I'm just
thankful that non-Christians have Christian role models.

Brenda
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Living Epistles Tees...

This post was titled "being a faithful witness".  Russ was bold to
confront the person who 'condemned' him for wearing that shirt.  I have two
friends who have the shirt, and I have another "Living Epistles" Tee
that reads 'Even in a New Age, the truth remains crystal clear"
Then the scripture reference to Acts 4:12 is on the bottom.  The back
reads "There are two things sure in this life"
 1. there's only one God
 2. You're not him
This shirt had gotten some very cool reviews from people I went to class
with.
Maybe if Russ will continue to spread the Word, more folks will come to
know HIM.  Hang in there, everyone....especially Russ.
Theresa

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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:39:00 EST
From:         "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>
Subject:      Late Great.

Yvette,

Yes, the book was made into what might be called a movie in the late 70's,
maybe the mid 70's, don't remember exactly.  The movie was worse, if
possible, then the book.  It was a very low budget job and spoke badly for
Christians, so far as I am concerned.

Were I you, I would stay away from dispensational theology, it has serious
pitfalls.

Dan Graham
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:25:56 EST
From:         Julie Nott <STR008@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Venturing into full-time motherhood

Dear all my friends on Christia:

I have a prayer request for all of you prayer warriors out there.  I have
just quit my job to become a full-time mother.  This is something that I
have wanted to do ever since I brought my daughter home from the hospital
in November of 1991.  Circumstances beyond my control re: separation from
my husband (but...praise the Lord, we are working through it and God has
something very special planned for us), marriage counseling, counseling
about my sexual abuse as a child, and sexual harassment are all the
things that are going on in my life and a job is just not something I
really want to contend with right now.  Besides, after paying for childcare
I barely make anything anyway.  I do have a 2nd job at night doing some
data entry that I will continue.

Please be in prayer for my family finances.  I'm sure that we will be
fine since my husband is still working but these days you just never
know.

I will only have access to e-mail until tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. EST so any
words of encouragement (I need all I can get) or e-hugs are appreciated.
   Your friend in Christ,

Julie Nott
str008@ukcc.uky.edu
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:06:01 -0500
From:         Braden Glen <d246@UNI05.LARC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      more from C S Lewis...

  'It would, no doubt , have been possible for God to remove by miracle the
results of the first sin ever committed by a human being; but this would not
have been much good unless He was prepared to remove the results of the second
sin, and of the third, and so on forever.'
                                        _The Problem of Pain_   ch 5

  'But it is, I think, a gross exaggeration to picture the saving of a soul as
being, normally, at all like the development from seed to flower. The very
words repentance, regeneration, the New Man, suggest something very different.'
                                        _Transpostion and Other Addresses_

  'When all is said (and truely said) about the divisions of Christendom, there
remains, by God's mercy, an enormous common ground.'
                                _Preface to CHRISTIAN REFLECTIONS_

  'Well, exactly the same thing happened again. And I thought to myself, oh
dear, how many skins have I got to take off?... So I scratched away for the
third time and got off the third skin, just like the two others, and stepped
out of it. But as soon as I looked at myself in the water I knew it had been
no good.'
  'Then the lion said, You will have to let me undress you...'
  'The very first tear he made was so deep that I thought it had gone right
into my heart. And when he began pulling the skin off, it hurt worse than
anything I've ever felt.... And there it was lying on the grass: only ever
so thicker and darker, and more knobbly looking than the others had been...'
  'After a bit the lion took me out and dressed me... in new clothes- the
same I've got on now, as a matter of fact.'
                              _The Voyage of the DAWN TREADER_  ch 7


Glen Braden                 d246@uni05.larc.nasa.gov
(Job titles too numerous    wk 804 865-9387
 list)                      hm 804 851-6530
UNISYS

'By examining the tongue, physicians find out the diseases of the body; and
 philosophers, the diseases of the mind and heart' -Justin
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 1993 11:28:50 CST
From:         Russ Neumeier <russn@SSEC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Late Great Planet Earth - Video
              Jan 4, 93 11:06 am

>
> Happy New Year Christia
> A co-worker of mine was telling me about this movie that came out in the
> 70's I believe. Does anyone recall this movie and know if it is on
> video. I know the book 'The Late Great Planet Earth' is by Hal Lindsey
> and is readily available.

Although not familiar with a video by this title, I am familiar with a set of
videos that were based on the book... It is a four-part series that starts with
"A Thief in the Night" and was done by Mark IV Productions (from somewhere in
Iowa -- I think Des Moines)  As for their availability, I can rent or buy them
from two different Christian book stores here in Madison.

Hope that helps...

Russ Neumeier
russn@ssecmail.ssec.wisc.edu
SSEC, UW-Madison
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:08:39 EST
From:         "Ann M. Hathcock" <ALI00AMH@UNCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A Hindu View of Amy Grant
              7 Jan 1993 13:35:13 CST from <C4322LR@UMVMA.UMSYSTEM.EDU>

Len, on the comments regarding Amy Grant or any cross-over artists.  Carman
says that if you "cross-over you take the cross with you".  That message of
the gospel must be clear so that it does not send conflicting messages.  The
gospel is simple to understand so as this should not be a problem!

Ann
UNC-Charlotte
Charlotte, NC
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:26:55 GMT
From:         "Ian (Travolta) Wylie C2/Q2" <iwylie@MCS.DUNDEE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: QUESTION ON PRAYER

According to the scriptures God will only answer prayer if it is
"according to His will".

So if you pray for something that is outside of His will, you will not receive
it.


Ian Wylie
University of Dundee
Scotland
E-mail iwylie@uk.ac.dund.mcs
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:58:54 CST
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From:         Renee Autry <SRAUTRY@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A Hindu View of Amy Grant

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Although Amy Grant thinks and sells herself as being Christian, we know
according to her fruit, (music, statements made, lifestyle, etc), that she is
not like Jesus, and that is the test.

------
I think this is a little harsh.  You may not agree with the way in which
Amy Grant chooses to live her life, or her calling, or her ministry, but
I have never heard anything that would lead me to question her committment
as a Christian.  If I am uninformed, I apologize, but I think we must be
very careful when deciding who is Christian and who is not.  The last I heard,
that's not our job.:-)


Renee Autry
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:33:23 EST
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Hell's .Bell's video

I've done an extensive series on Rock Music, much of it I believe did
come from the Hell's Bells series. If any new members would like a copy
of the 9 files, I think, send me private mail and I'll try to get them
off to you. They are about 150-300 lines each.

Maks.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:10:00 EDT
From:         ALICE LOO <LOOT@SNYSYRV1.BITNET>
Subject:      Greetings & Praise

Hi everybody,

Happy new year to you all!! I have been set to nomail for
a long time so I may not be a familiar name, but it sure
feels good to be back.

I have a short PRAISE! My local church was trying to purchase
a building right next to campus for use as worship and
activity center. [My church is geared towards ministry to
international students. We didn't have a church building and
we have our Sunday worship in a lecture hall on campus, and
other activities in members' homes] We did not have enough
money for purchasing the building, but because we all feel
strongly that it's God's will and that He would do great
things thru it, the church went ahead and put in an offer
last fall. We paid the deposit then and the next installment
of $360,000 was due by end of Dec. All the elders of the church
worked very hard to get contributions from other big churches which
support our ministry, and all the church members also contributed.
But by Thanksgiving, we only had $60,000, still $300,000 short!
The pastor went on the local Christian radio to "raise money"
and from what I could tell, the majority of the church were stil
pretty confident that God would carry us thru. But I was losing
faith. How are we gonna get three hundred thousand in a month?
But what do I know? I just got back from a Christmas vacation
a couple days ago and the first thing I heard was that we're
going to have a prayer service in the new building this week!
Praise God!! He IS a miracle-working God!! He DOES answers
prayers!! Oh wonderful God, please -- forgive my faithlessness.
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:44:30 -0600
From:         jim coen <coen@ACC.WUACC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Christian Music

We might consider ignoring the speck in Amy Grant's eye and paying heed to
the log in our own.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:45:08 MST
From:         Madge McBurney <ISPMOM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      bit.listserv.christia

I've just received the first batch of mail from our usenet/netnews
participants and I'll be re-posting these messages from one of my
other accounts (focmcb@asuacad).  This is a change from what Steven
and I had first envisioned...our first assumption was that problems
with Steven's mail not reaching all usenet sites would eventually be
corrected, but apparently this delivery cannot be guaranteed.  We've
therefore decided to do the moderating from this node.

I'll do my best to insure that mail sent to Christia from these news
groups gets posted in a timely way.  Please continue to use my primary
address (ispmom@asuacad) for private correspondence.

Christia co-owner   Bitnet:   ispmom@asuacad
Madge McBurney      Internet: ispmom@asuvm.inre.asu.edu
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 10:54:46 CST
From:         jesse carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Amy Grant; was -- Re: Unanswered Prayer
              12 Jan 1993 08:22:00 MST from <SKLEPZI@SSB1.SAFF.UTAH.EDU>

Dear All on Christia;

Gareth asked to the effect :  "How much good do we accomplish by being
'critical' of others?"

Good question.

Even better one :  "Is there a BIBLICAL basis for criticism/evaluation of the
behaviour of others?"

Now, in this era of 'let's not be a meanie' I see from 1 Timothy 5:19-20a
somewhat different report on this matter.
In the text, Timothy is instructed by Paul to NOT be hasty in entertaining a
charge/accusation against an elder, but if found true upon 2-3 witnesses'
corroborative reports, that ELDER < in context > was to rebuked PUBLICLY, as
a warning to others.

Indeed, we need to be gentle to all, but it seems that in certain instances,
public exposure/censure of socially-affecting sins helps to save the rest of
the body ... indeed, warns them to beware.



Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:00:30 +0000
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 1/6

MAN: "The Lord knows what people think.  He knows they are just a puff of wind"
 (Psalm 94:11).

GOD: "The Lord's plans will stand forever.  His ideas will last from now on" (
Psalm 33:11).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used
by permission.
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:57:37 -0700
From:         "Steven E. Hoell" <seh@NEUTRON.PHYSICS.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: rock music & the unregistered union of churches, moscow

Brother Zane,

Many thanks for such a timely post! You folks in the Middle East have
a good word for it - "occidentosis."

The only such concert I attended recently featured the group "Kerygma."
Their messege was clear and convicting, as well as Orthodox. But had
I not understood the messege (like a Russian who doesn't know English)
it would be no different than a secular rock group - just "clanging
symbols."

I prefer gospel, such as Rev. Dan Willis and the Pentecostals of Chicago.


Steve Hoell             seh@neutron.physics.arizona.edu
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:33:13 CST
From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      A Hindu View of Amy Grant

As a curiosity, here is the entire review of Amy Grant's album "Unguarded"
from the Bombay film-music-TV paper "Screen" (November ..., 1992):

* * *

"A gospel outing by Amy Grant that sounds like a pop album.  An effortless
and compact slab of syrupy devotionals from the five time Grammy winner who
has sold over 15 million records worldwide.

"Amy has popularised gospel to worldwide listeners but then her kind of
gospel isn't the slumberous variety churned out by most gospel singers.

"On this album Amy sings about 'Love of a different kind.' Other effective
numbers include 'I love you,' 'Stepping in your shoes,' 'Sharayah,' 'Find a
Way,' 'Fight,' and 'Wise up.'"
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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE:GREETINGS & PRAISE-ALICE

Greetings Alice,

I really enjoyed your testimony about your church.  Praise the Lord!!! He is
so awesome and greatly to be praised.  I joined Christia after you had
signed off, but I'm glad you're on; keep praising the Lord - He has more in
store for all of us on in the body of Christ (Smile)!!!

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:47:07 EST
From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE:PRAYER REQUEST-RUSS

Dear Russ and Shellie,

We will being praying much for you and Shellie.  We will be in agreement
with you both that God is going to do the miraculous and that the baby
will be fine.  Since we have been having so many prayer requests regarding
babies, I will share with you next week about my daughter Cheryl and I
know it will be an encouragement for you.

Dear Heavenly Father,

We thank you for your abundant grace and mercy.  We ask You Father that when
Shellie goes through these tests everything will have already turned out
all right in Jesus Name.  We thank and praise You already for this precious
little one and that You will use them to one day proclaim your gospel and
be used by You.  Father we ask that You give Russ and Shellie Your strength,
peace, love, and joy during this time, and let them know and rest assured that
You have everything in control.  We thank You and praise You in advanced for
a good report, for we do not have to believe the doctor's report, but we will
believe the "Report of the Lord"!!!! - Your report says that we are healed,
Your report says that we are filled, and Your report says that we are free
in Jesus Name.  We pray this in Jesus Mighty Name.  Amen and Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:31:45 -0600
From:         Tom Shelton 314 694-3831 <tjshel@MAPLE.MONSANTO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Home Schooling...

Reply to Fred Fowler & all,

    You may not have seen a lot on the home schooling thread as I and possibly
others have mailed directly to the people requesting information.

    While a lot (if not most) home schoolers use a published curriculum for
the basics (ie. phonics, grammer, mathematics theory...) all of the home
schoolers that I know also include life skills.  Life skills in our school
includes cooking, cleaning, shopping, maintenance, crafts...  Home schooling
laws differ in what they require and allow in the different states.  I live in
Missouri which has one of the best home schooling laws in the country.  A
published curriculum has the advantage of laying out what is required for the
given ages/grades.  It makes for a convienent starting point for those just
starting to home school.

My wife and I have been home schooling for three years now, and how we teach,
what we teach, and what we use has changed every year since we started.  We
started out with ABEKA the first year mainly due to the fact that our children
were in Christian schools that use ABEKA.  It was a good start for us in that
the teachers manuals give examples on how to present the material.  We found
that we thought it was weak in some areas in the upper grades.  We are
currently using Bob Jones, Saxon math, and ABEKA for our oldest.  We are using
mostly ABEKA for our two youngest.  Our youngest started out in the beginning
with no published curriculum.  My wife did such things as emptying my shaving
cream onto the kitchen table to let her draw letters in the shaving cream.  My
daughter thought it was great fun while also learning the shapes of the
letters.  We use several different sources to teach the children about God and
his Word and world (not the least of which is our example whether we like it
or not).

    There are many different paths to the same goal and our job is to let God
lead us on the path that He has chosen for us to take.

Yours in Christ,
Tom Shelton             (TJSHEL@MAPLE.MANSANTO.COM)
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