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From: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: No Williams in 93? (or, oops!)
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:48:58 GMT
Reply-To: aghao@sersun2.essex.ac.uk ()
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Greetings.

I hope you all had a good festive season, and best wishes for the new year.
I have a feeling that there is someone in Williams Grand Prix Engineering Ltd
who will not be receiving such kind words from Frank for a while, though.
Why?  Because the 1993 list of entries for the Formula 1 Grands Prix does not 
contain Prost, Hill or the Williams team.

FISA, the governing body, have said that the entry for Williams was received 
on Monday, the 16th of November 1992, 1 day late, and was thus not included.
However, it is still possible for the team to be on the grid in South Africa.
This depends on the goodwill of ALL the other teams competing in the series,
and at the moment, 2 teams are holding out: Minardi and Benetton.

Over the Christmas break, the team leaders got together in London (I think),
and discussed possible changes to the rules to even out the racing, including
bringing out the pace car if the leader pulls away from the rest of the field
by over 12 seconds!  Naturally, Frank Williams wasn't too impressed, and vetoed
that particular idea, plus a few other impractical (IMHO) ones.  Now, however,
Benetton's team manager wants Frank not only to agree to the new rules, but 
also to accept majority decisions (as opposed to the current requirement for
unanimity).

I have been surprised at the absence of this thread on the net, although it 
could be because no one gives a good godd@mn! :-)  Clearly, Williams sponsors
aren't too happy about the whole situation, and neither are, I'm sure, Prost
or Hill.  Renault and Elf have been applying pressure behind the scenes, 
although publically, everyone seems to believe that no matter what, Williams
will be on the grid come March 14.  In a message to FISA, Renault quoted 
article 5 of the European Convention on the Calculation of Deadlines (eh? :-)
which says "This article holds that when a deadline expires on a Sunday, it is 
extended to include the very next working day".

If this article's ruling is accepted by FISA, then Minardi and Benetton will
be stumped, and this will probably lead to acrimony and ill feeling (as if
there wasn't already enough of that in the pitlane!)

I will post further news as I see it.

Cheers,

	Obi.

PS.  'Your Nige' must be laughing his head off!

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From: boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hostility to Williams? (was Re: F1 driver list)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:35:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez) writes:

>I mean, it's not like they cheated. They came up with some pretty neat
>technological advances, coupled with a very good driver (as much as I hate
>him) and won the championship fair and square.

Oops, forgot to mention the great engine!

toufic
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From: nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 1991 Team Lineup
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:54:15 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: nicos@csa


  If someone has the F1 team lineup for the 1991 seson, could you
send it to me please? I am mostly interested in the drivers (and their teams)
that started at least one GP in 1991 and did NOT score any points.

Thanks,


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From: apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Testing at Estoril (A quick MSchum.)
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:20:48 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

Sorry this is the only info. I have. Motoring News is out today so
maybe Andrew Henery will have more, (sorry Andrew :-).

     MOTOR RACING: FORMULA    
     ONE TESTING, Estoril     

 Monday's leading lap times:            
                               mins secs
                                        
 1 M Schumacher Ger Benetton   1:14.44  
                                        
 2 A Prost      Fr  Williams   1:15.88  
                                        
 3 D Hill       GB  Williams   1:15.89  
                                        
 4 R B'chello   Brz Jordan     1:19.35  
                                        
 5 JJ Lehto     Fin Sauber     1:19.96  
                                        
 6 J Herbert    GB  Lotus      1:19.98  
                                        
 7 K Wendlinger Aut Sauber     1:23.62  

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From: danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Piquet's return (Was: Donnelly's return)
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:34:34 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California
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Since I haven't seen it posted yet, Nelson Piquet recently tested
an F3 in his native Brazil.  However, this was hardly a test, just
three slow laps since he's still in alot of pain.  At anyrate, its
good to see him back in a formula car and hopefully he'll be back
and competitive soon.

Dan Jones
From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Williams in strife
Date: 23 Jan 1993 18:10:05 +0800
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In <1993Jan22.151307.1@economics.adelaide.edu.au> ecrjbruce@economics.adelaide.edu.au writes:

>Hey guys, I just heard that Williams are in trouble for lodging their racing
>application late!!  Apparently they have to get permission from all the other
>teams if they want to join the circus and a couple of them have held out,
>saying they want Williams advantage in technology neutralised before they
>agree!

>Anyone else heard anything?

Apparently Williams faxed their entry to FOCA instead of FISA - bit of a
whoopsy.  All the teams have to agree for there entry to be accepted late,
but there are two teams holding out.  Williams says that the teams in question
want them to reduce their techo advantage before they are allowed to enter.

Does anyone have the official F1 entry list for this year ??  FISA/FIA
released a couple of days ago, didn't they ??  Does it include all drivers ??

>Rob

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From: madmax@maths.tcd.ie (Mark Taylor)
Subject: Re: Donnelly's return
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:54:27 GMT

mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>sorry about the previous aborted post but my computer, brains and
>fingers had a disagreement.

>I am happy to see Martin return to a F1 drive, but is this a one-off
>testing deal or does he actually have a contract with Jordan to do
>the whole season? 

There are no contracts involved. Eddie Jordan is Donnelly's manager,
and promised him that that as soon as he was ready after his 
accident he would allow him to have a spin in his car. As of now,
he will only be having one drive, but if he impresses he may well
get a test contract. Donnelly as of now cannot drive if in F1 because
he cannot get out of an F1 car under FISA's mandatory limit, this is   
because some tissue (that isn't meant to) has attached itself to his 
thigh bone, so he has lost manouevrablility in the leg, though not
enough to stop him using a clutch. (The first car he drove after 
the accident was an automatic Mercedes)



 Also, could someone please help refresh my mind.
>What team was he driving for when he had his accident - Lotus?

Yes, it was Lotus.

  And
>did they not say at the time that they would keep a spot for him open
>when he returned (or was that what Benetton said when Naninni had his
>accident).  Anyway best wishes for Martin in his efforts.


Not sure about this, but as of now Donnelly can't pass the aforementioned
FISA safety test. 



Mark




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From: mclellan@maximillion.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Subject: Re: Winston Cup
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
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Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:28:00 GMT

In article <1joi7nINN2bc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, menolen@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Elena M Nolen) writes...
>         Has anyone out there heard who Bill Elliott's builder will
>   be this year. I read in Winston Cup Scene that Junior Johnson mailed
>   Tim Brewer a letter telling him his services weren't needed anymore,            but I haven't heard who is going to replace him. Someone I know heard
>   a rumor that they were thinking about Ernie Elliott..... Any insight
>   would be appreciated...
> 
>        Almost time to go racing ........

I've heard that Mike Beam, crew chief on Sterling Martin's car (Jr. 
other car) would move over to be crew chief on Bill' #11.  Someone 
with more knowledge can confirm or deny that Mike Bean and Bill 
Elliott have worked together before as crew chief and driver.

The other part of this story had Kirk Shelmerdine, formerly crew chief 
for Dale Earnhardt, to take over on Hut Stricklin's #27 if Beam moved 
to Elliott.

Don't worry about Tim Brewer's future.  On this past weekend's Inside 
Winston Cup, there was a brief interview with owner Bill Davis, driver 
Bobby Labonte, and crew chief Tim Brewer.  Brewer gets the challenge 
of setting up a first year WC team.  It was interesting to note that 
the car was #22, and was in Maxwell House colors.  

David
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: gbg@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (gerald.b.green)
Subject: Re: Driver Info wanted
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:14:23 GMT

In article <C16K35.G9s@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>Full Time Racing has announced a new teammate
>for Don Walker this season in the Firehawk
>Series, but we don't know much about him and
>I'm poking around here to see if anyone can
>help me out.
>
>The driver is Jerry Nadeau, a 23 year old.
>He won the Big Scholorship Runoff which
>provided him with a full-time ride in the
>Barber-Saab Series.
>
>Thanks,
>Bob (a Hudson in a Cadillac world)

This guy is an absolute bullet. From what I understand, he
ran either the full Eastern Series in Skip Barber's Formula Ford
Series in '91 or most of it (I didn't start racing - with Skippy's
FFs or anything else for that matter - until '92).
I think he either won the series or was
runner up to Ashton Lewis, the '92 Zerex Saab rookie who
won a couple races and finished second in the ('92 Saab)
championship. At the Skip Barber Big Scholarship runoff in '92,
he beat out Geoff Boss, the Midwestern *and* Eastern
Series Skip Barber FF champion for '92, and competitor in the
Silverstone FF Festival. Geoff is another bullet: fast and
smooth. The rumor was that Jerry's best times were .5 sec
faster than Geoff's in the Saab cars (although lap times
are only part of the selection criteria). Jerry ran only
1 Eastern Series FF race in '92 (the final race at Lime
Rock), and was blindingly fast. Geoff and Andy Boss were
in their own race group (to decide the championship),
so we didn't get to see the 3 of them mix it up (damn!).
The Skippy instructors I spoke with (3) said that he
has a *tremendous* amount of natural talent.
He's also generally considered to be "a heck of a nice kid".
I also remember that he ran a few Firehawk races last year.
For some reason, my mind is telling me that he's also done
some karting, but I'm not at all sure about that one.
It ought to be exiting watching this guy in the Skip Barber
Zerex Saab Pro Series in '93. I'm convinced he'll do
considerably better than last year's Big Scholarship
winner (Craig Hall), and even will be a strong contender
for the title.
Personal data: He's short (about 5'8"" I'd guess), lives
in Connecticut (western?), and works as (I believe) an
air conditioning contractor.

Gerry Green
From: winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Wanted: IMSA Supercar Series Info
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:32:10 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Does anyone out there know or have access to the IMSA Supercar Series
schedule?  If so, would you either post the information or email it to me.

Thanks in advance....

Scott Winders
winders@aux.support.apple.com

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Harry Melling team
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:28:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.185125.18789@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> gbg@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (gerald.b.green) writes:
>In article <93027.094435BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu> <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>         Is there a Harry Melling team this year?
>>         Chad Little was the driver last year, right?
>>         And if I remember correctly, Mark Rypien
>>         (from some other sport) was to buy into that
>>         deal cause he and Chad were buddies. Any info?
>
>Autoweek claims that P.J. Jones is expected to test Harry Melling's
>T-Bird this week. If all goes well, he may run as many as 5 Winston
>Cup races this year (so he could still have a shot at Rookie of
>the Year next year).
>

There seems to be some confusion over this issue. NSSN reports that
Ernie Elliott (at Melling) tested PJ in the Melling BGN car at
Daytona last week and that it looks like PJ will share the #9 Bird
with Ernie's son Casey a bit this season.

Haven't heard anything about the Rypien/Little team that was
announced late last year.  The two went to high school and college
together in Washington State.

Guess it's time to poke around a bit on both stories.....

bob
From: andyw@meaddata.com (Andy Welter)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: William / FISA mess
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:11:46 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
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In article 19899@e2big.mko.dec.com, winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>
>In article <1k1comINNcu3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
>cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson) writes:
>|>
>|>Has anyone considered the possibility of FISA conveniently
>|>misplacing the Williams application?  I just cannot believe that
>|>a multi-million dollar a year GP team would even come close
>|>to 'forgetting' to apply for the '93 championship!
>
>Never ascribe to cleverness what can be explained by stupidity or
>incompetence.  Frank Williams probably told some secretary or other flunky
>to FAX the application to FISA, and they read one column over on the phone
>number list and dialed the FAX number for FOCA, instead.  Or they misunderstood
>and sent it to the wrong place.
>
>What surprises me is that a team would leave something as important as their
>F1 application until the very last minute.  I'd have sent mine in early.
>
>--PSW

Didn't this same sort of thing happen with an F1 team last year?  Or am
I just confused?

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From: danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Titanium
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:18:00 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California
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Toby Vaughn Padfield writes:

|> >Actually the Autocoast Ti-? ran in the Can-Am Series back in '70 or '71
|> >with a titanium tub I believe.  Great strength but hard to repair.
|> 
|> >Certainly some folks out there can fill in the details for us.

|> 	AutoWeek ran an article about the Ti-22 in their Escape Road section.
|> Alas, I don't seem to have that issue here. I have only back as far as July 20
|> here with me at school, so maybe one of the other subscribers (Mark Jackson?)
|> or one of teh resident motorsport historians (Dan Jones?) could shed some more
|> light. I do remember reading about that car, but can't really recall any major
|> highlights. Sorry...

The car was debuted late in '69 in the CanAm series by Jackie Oliver, probably at
Laguna Seca.  Oliver continued in '70, but I think it was the second round at
St Jovite that the car became airbourne and did a backflip.  Oliver wasn't hurt
but the car was heavily damaged and didn't reappear until late in '70.  The car
in the hands of Oliver was competitive, I think it was at Mosport that he lead
both McLarens during the race.  That broke a string by McLaren of leading every
lap of every race going back to '68.  The car raced in '71 in the hands of David
Hobbs, with Oliver having jumped to Shadow.

Dan Jones
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Winston Cup
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:15:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.123347.13223@ncsu.edu> fireman@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Tracy L. Brooks) writes:
>I haven't heard anything regarding Ernie Elliott but who knows?
>
Speaking of which, did anybody else catch the little blurb in 
USAToday earlier this week that PJ Jones had been doing some
testing in one of Melling's short-track 'Birds?  I kind of
remember Ernie Elliott's name tossed in there as well.

PJ mentioned that he hoped to do a few WC races this year.  I
guess in the past, Toyota has frowned a bit on him doing so
(speculation about the future of Toyota in WC your option).
I believe PJ said he'd have a much easier time getting into
the tin-tops over Indycars at this point in time.

Requisite NASCAR trivia question:  Who built the motor that
Richard Petty used to gain his 200th career victory?  (Hint:
he's a current team owner).

bob
From: crash@hal.COM (Chris Craddock)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: More from Estoril (Tuesday's Testing)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:45:00 GMT
Organization: HAL Computer Systems, Inc.
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In article <21199@acorn.co.uk>, apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton) writes:
|> More from BBC CEEFAX
|> 
|>      MOTOR RACING: FORMULA    
|>      ONE TESTING, Estoril     
|> 
|>  Tuesday's leading lap times:           
|>                                mins secs
|>  Morning session:                       
|>  1 A Prost      Fr  Williams   1:13.55  <-- (!)
|>  2 M Schumacher Ger Benetton   1:13.92  
|>  3 D Hill       GB  Williams   1:14.05  
|>  4 K Wendlinger Aut Sauber     1:17.11  
|>  5 R B'chello   Brz Jordan     1:17.44  
|>  6 JJ Lehto     Fin Sauber     1:18.62  
|>                                         
|>  Afternoon session:                     
|>  1 D Hill       GB  Williams   1:14.00  
|>  2 A Prost      Fr  Williams   1:15.24  
|>  3 JJ Lehto     Fin Sauber     1:16.80  
|>  4 J Herbert    GB  Lotus      1:17.69  
|>  5 K Wendlinger Aut Sauber     1:18.69  
|>  6 R B'chello   Brz Jordan     1:18.90  
|>  

Hmm. Yes, it does look like the professor has gotten slower in his 
old age. I guess Damon Hill will kick his butt after all....

:O)

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From: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 driver list
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:04:01 GMT
Reply-To: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

In article 824@fs1.mcc.ac.uk, zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
> 
>  1
>  2
>  3 Tyrrell         Katayama
>  4                 De Cesaris 
>  5 Benetton        Schumacher
>  6                 Patrese
>  7 McLaren         Andretti
>  8                 tba
>  9 Footwork        Suzuki
> 10                 Warwick
> 11 Lotus           Hakkinen
> 12                 Herbert
> 13
> 14 Jordan          Barrichello
> 15                 tba
> 16 March           tba
> 17                 tba 
> 18 
> 19 Larrousse       tba
> 20                 tba
> 21 Lola            Alboreto
> 22                 Badoer
> 23 Minardi         tba
> 24                 tba
> 25 Ligier          Brundle
> 26                 Blundell
> 27 Ferrari         Alesi
> 28                 Berger
> 29 Sauber          Wendlinger
> 30                 Lehto

Some expansion on this, courtesy of the FOSA hotline:

Williams, Brabham, Bravo, and Pacific are of course missing from the
above list.  The attempt to resurrect Brabham seems to have fallen
apart entirely.  Bravo did file a form with FISA, but the check for the
required fee bounced.  Pacific has been laying off employees,
apparently because the sponsorship brought in by driver Michael Bartels
did not materialize.

As to the Williams situation, yes they faxed their registration to FOCA
headquarters rather than directly to FISA.  FOSA characterizes this as
"established practice(!)"  It appears that FOCA says the application
arrived a day late.  It is not clear whether Williams is claiming the
form was submitted on time or not, but with Bernie Ecclestone in the
picture one suspects anything.  Three teams voted against permitting
Williams a late entry (unanimous consent required), of which Benetton
and Minardi have gone public.  On the face of it they have Williams
over a barrel and should be able to force his acceptance of technical
limitations in F1. . .but Frank is a strong-willed sort so anything is
possible.

So this leaves F1 with a bare 26 entries at present, just enough for a
full grid.  (Isn't there something in the TV contracts *requiring* at
least 26 cars?)  March, formerly on very shaky financial ground, has
been bought by a consortium of Swiss business types so should be OK for
the year.  Note that Minardi drivers are shown as TBA, so there is no
confirmation of the earlier report in r.a.s that Fittipaldi and
Fabrizio Barbazza had been signed.

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From: glenn@misty.boeing.com (Glenn Cirlincione)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:55:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Rahal/Phoenix correction
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

It definately was not John Jones.  And I would have remembered Randy Lewis
because he took Rick Mears out and that would have been two in a row.  I
do believe it was someone like Fulvio Ballabio.

Glenn