HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

You can get a list of supported and unsupported sys-RPL and ML entry
points at seq.uncwil.edu. (I'n not sure where they're kept, but last time
I looked, it was in hp48/Uploads.  It's called entries.3 or something
like that and was compiled by Mika Heiskanan.  There is also a compiled
list that is sorted by command types.

Hope this helps!

Bill Levenson

P.S.  Both have been posted to the net recently
From: detlef@dmhh.hanse.de (Detlef Mueller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Major Meltdown
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 18:15:18 GMT

In article <19921228.135559.164@almaden.ibm.com> heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>
>
>
> Well, I've got my calculator working, but it doesn't acknowledge my TDS
> 512K card. It recognized my 128K HP card fine, though. If I perform the
> calculators built in RAM test, it gives me an error code of 00001. The
> manual basically says if it doesn't pass, buy a new one.
>
> What can I do??

Remove the TDS card, execute a ON-A-F NO or a reset. Reinstall the TDS card
and the switch library, then switch to bank 1. If it'll work, maybe bank 3
was damaged. If not, replace the card battery and give it another try. You
may also try to install the TDS card to the other port.
If you can't get the card back to work, it or the 48 itself was damaged :(.

hope that helps,
        8-Detlef
--
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
|`What a depressingly stupid machine'|             Detlef Mueller           |
| -- Marvin                          |          detlef@dmhh.hanse.de        |
+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: kevin.jessup <kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re: Using programmable calcs in exams
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:39:34 GMT

In article <19DEC199213241557@pavo.concordia.ca> dl_mill@pavo.concordia.ca (MILLER, DARREL L.) writes:

>  I'm looking for some feedback on the attitude different universities have
>  to using calculators like the HP48 in examiniations.

I ran into the same "resistance" to calculators in the undergraduate EE
program at Marquette University in Milwaukee.  This was back when the HP28C
first became available and I was the only one in class who had one.

While solving simultaneous equations (for a circuit analysis class) on an
exam, the prof "caught" me using the HP's matrix capability to solve
the equation.  I stated that what was important was NOT doing the laborious
math but setting up the equations that needed to be solved!  He then said,
"NO!  You are required to show ALL your work. Do not be LAZY and use your
calculator as a crutch."

A crutch?  Get a life, Jack!  How many times do you manually have to solve
a matrix before they realize you know what you are doing?  Is the time not
better spent studying the the principles needed to properly set-up the
equations in the first place?

Finally, two years later in a thermodynamics class, I found a professor
who understood that concept.  He allowed full open-book tests, crib sheets
and all the computing power you could haul into the room.  The tests were
so difficult that only those who fully understood the underlying theory
and the application to real-world problems had a chance of passing the test.
While a final numeric answer was was asked for, simple errors in math had
little effect on your grade.  More important were the systems of equations
you came up with which described the problem at hand.

Now just who are the lazy ones here?  The professors who write exams that
are so simple all you need is a calculator to get an "A" or the students
who use the calculators?  It's easy to write a "tough" exam if all you
are going to test is the ability to manually solve the same laborious math
problems over and over again.  What requires time and dedication, is writing
a test that will test your student's understanding of the theory required to
set up the equations in the first place.  Those professors are the ones that
get my respect.

Knowledge of the tools available in your work can help.  Knowledge of
when and where to apply those tools is another matter.

Giving someone an easel and canvas will not guarantee a work of art.
Giving someone a computer and software will not guarantee a solid design.


Kevin Jessup, Software Engineer
Diagnostics Division
Marquette Electronics, Inc.
8200 W Tower Avenue
Milwaukee, WI 53223

Office:   (414) 362-2020
Home:     (414) 355-9752
HP48 BBS: (414) 362-2020 (6PM to 7AM CST)

Note: Marquette Electronics is in no way affiliated with Marquette University

-- 
Kevin Jessup, kevin.jessup@mixcom.mixcom.com

        "Friends don't let friends run DOS."
                          -- Microware
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: christie@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Chris Tham)
Subject: Re: The "high price" of the HP48!
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 08:21:26 GMT

In article <PHR.92Dec31210006@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec31.181700.8722@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
>
>   In article <PHR.92Dec30222224@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
>   >A 48 still seems to me like a solution looking
>   >for a problem.
>
>   I can accept the fact that this is how you see the 48.  For myself and many
>   others, I think, we've found appropriate problems.
>
>I'm still waiting to hear what these problems are.

I use my HP 48 in my Master of Applied Finance course regularly.  I often
find that I need to be able to differentiate fairly complex equations
"on the road" (many branches of financial theory require calculus, e.g.
portfolio management, option pricing etc.)  The HP 48 is ideal for this,
and I actually prefer to differentiate equations using the HP48 over
Mathematica for Windows or MACSYMA because of it's friendlier interface
and easy accessibility (it takes my PC over a minute just to load the
Mathematica kernel, not good if you only want to differentiate one
equation and then do some simple function evaluations).
The programmability of the HP48 also means that I can keep most of my
often used equations online ready for the Equation Solver.
I've occasionally used matrix functions to solve simultaneous linear
equations.

I would say that the HP48 is able to handle the majority of my
problem solving needs when I don't have access to a PC, plus it is
a whole lot easier to set up and use than a PC.

christie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Experiences with ElekTek, EduCalc, mail order places?
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<2b3fee10.2505.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 01:53:12 GMT

In article <2b3fee10.2505.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com> akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Joseph K. Horn) writes:

   (1) There's a brochure packed inside every HP48 box that lists
       available accessories.  Notice that EduCALC is featured not only
       in the list of vendors at the end of the brochure, but in the text
       too, with many accessories available only from EduCALC (for
       example, the famous, fabulous HP48 Goodies Disks).  ElekTek is not
       in the brochure. This says to me that HP considers EduCALC a
       reliable enough source of HP48 accessories to mention it "in the
       box".  But not ElecTek.

I don't know about the HP48 box but in general it's common for
product vendors to include things in the box pointing users
to vendors of add-on products.  The add-on vendors pay the product
vendor a fee to be listed.  Not everyone is willing to pay the fee.
It could be simply that Elektek wasn't interested in being listed.
From: walton%dsl.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Cory woody Walton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Using programmable calcs in exams
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:19:20 GMT
Followup-To: dl_mill@pavo.concordia.ca [Using programmable calcs in exams]
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <19DEC199213241557@pavo.concordia.ca> dl_mill@pavo.concordia.ca (MILLER, DARREL L.) writes:
>  I'm looking for some feedback on the attitude different universities have
>to using calculators like the HP48 in examinations.
>  ....
>  I'm interested in hearing about experiences that other students have had 
>relating to this.  Do other universities allow them, encourage their use or
>maybe (god forbid) actually teach students how to use these tools?
>
>				Thanks,
>					Darrel
>					DL_MILL@pavo.concordia.ca

Most of the classes that I've taken so far in Physics, Math, EE, and Computer
science, have exams designed to be open book and notes.  In physics and EE
both of my instructors have owned an HP48s or sx, and allowed use of it and
any other calculator.  However before the test, they make it clear that you
only get credit if you show your work.  The calculator has helped me check my
results, if I have time, and churning through calculations faster.  In EE it
has helped me visulizing some plots (we have to do them on the final).  I had
one series of computer science hardware classes where the instructor wouldn't
allow any calculators of any kind (programmable or not) although the only
thing you could use a calculator for was base 2 math on the test (programmable
or not).
----------------
-- 
woody (Cory  Walton)/walton@dsl.cs.utah.edu	| University of Utah
Computer Science Dept.	(801) 581-8065		| 3190 MEB
#include <std/disclaimer.h>			| Salt Lake City, UT  84112
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: The "high price" of the HP48!
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<PHR.92Dec30222224@napa.telebit.com>
	<1992Dec31.155534.17106@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
	<PHR.92Dec31122958@napa.telebit.com> <eD3es*y40@lemsys.UUCP>
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:23:51 GMT

> with numbers.  Where can I get an HP48 for $140?  (Remember this is
> about HP48's, not cheaper calculators).  Weren't you saying a minute
> ago that I could get a Powerbook 100 for $500, not $2000?  A Powerbook
> 100 is a real computer by most definitions.  (The cheapest I've seen
> PB100's for is around $700, by the way, but I haven't been shopping
> for one).

        Elek-Tek sells HP-48S calculators for $139US.

Ok, ok, several people pointed this out.  I had forgotten about the
48S and thought only of the 48SX.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: gsfever@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Brent Kirkwood)
Subject: Re: Using programmable calcs in exams
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:45:38 GMT

: Remember cheating only hurts the cheaters...If you have learned the material,
: whether it be from programing or what, you should do well. Cheaters are the ones
: who do not know the material and use the calc to get by...A super calc. really
: does not help that much in upper courses anyway..

But it's not cheating..  Like someone else posted, if that is cheating, so is
using a pencil sharpener to sharpen your pencil.  You should have to carve your lead to a point with a stone that you have sharpened.  .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

flavio@cflav.sublink.org [Flavio Casetta] writes:

> From Joe Horn's article...

>>    (13) BUGFIX.  The old card could run into problems if the solver
>>    had to handle an equation containing functions defined in
>>    another library.  (Case in point: it choked when the SmartROM
>>    was also plugged in).  The new card solves this problem by
>>    checking for it and giving the new error message "Keyword
>>    conflict" if necessary.

> Which version of the SmartROM ?

Beta test version, never sold.

> Which Keyword ?

CONST.

> In early June 1991, I was contacted by Dr. Vogel (HP R&D responsible
> for the EQ lib) because the SmartROM version 1:A beta release)
> conflicted with the library of constants.

Right.  I was the one who found it, and told Eric Vogel, who had asked
me to look for any bugs that I could find in HP 82211B (beta version).

> ForCALC (at that time Smart Technology) fixed the problem by
> changing the name of conflicting keyword CONST to CONSTMAT.

That fixed the problem with the SmartROM, but not with potential
future conflicts with HP's EQ card, hence the necessity for HP's
bugfix.

> SmartROM current version is 1:C and there are no SmartROM 1:A around
> the world (unless they have been pirated), because SmartROM 1:A
> never got into the US market. The first units shipped to EduCALC
> were versions 1:B.

Fear not.  No copies were pirated (at least, not by me or for me).
I only "had" a copy to check for conflicts... and I found one!  (As
Eric told you).

It'll be a sad day in the history of computing when they outlaw beta
testing and require all bugs to be found by "registered users".  And
do not believe for a moment that beta testing can be successful if
done totally "in house".  (There is much between these lines; a word
to the wise is sufficient).

> Amongst the registered users of the SmartROM nobody ever reported a
> conflict with EQLIB.

And there will probably be none.  My report (quoted above) referred to
an incident in the past, which actually happened.  No inference was
made or should be made about the performance of later versions of
SmartROM.  As we can all now see clearly, both HP and ForCALC took
careful and intelligent steps to prevent such a conflict from
happening again.  We're grateful.  But facts is facts, nonetheless.

-Joseph K. Horn-   -Peripheral Vision, Ltd.-
akcs.joehorn@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com
"Minimum fee for finding significant bugs in anything: one copy."
From: anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony J Stieber)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: The "high price" of the HP48!
Date: 1 Jan 1993 18:13:59 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <PHR.92Dec31215030@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
>Wouldn't a 95LX be better for most of this?  It has a built-in
>appointment calendar, spreadsheet, etc., and you can develop

Perhaps, except that 95 hasn't been around as long as the 48, so he may
have bought a 48 long before the 95 was even rumored.  At current
prices his machine would only cost about $450, a mere $50 more than a
512KB 95LX.  Derive for the 95 costs another $250.  Derive and a 48
overlap only some some areas in their abilities.  Also, Derive needs so
much memory on the 95 that the machine must be rebooted then a special
program run to claim any free RAM.  This makes it difficult to run both
Derive and any other software at the same time.  Since Derive isn't
System Manager compliant it wouldn't be easy to run the built in
software and Derive at the same time even if there was enough memory
(as perhaps on the 1MB 95 has).

>specialized programs for it much more easily using cross compilers.

If someone wants to write software anywhere they should never do it on
a pocket computer?  The disadvantages of a small keyboard and display
can often be offset by the disadvantages of hauling around five to ten
pounds of hardware.

All prices from EduCALC catalog #58, even lower prices are available
elsewhere.  I am not associated with EduCALC and am only a satisfied
customer.
--
<-:(= Anthony Stieber	anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu   uwm!uwmcsd4!anthony
From: sanker@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Greg Sanker)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:56:27 GMT
Subject: Re: HP BBS
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

>Can someone please tell me ow to log onto the HP BBS using the internet?
>

'telnet hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com' or 'telnet 15.255.72.16'

Greg Sanker
sysop@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com
From: ghilardi@urz.unibas.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Well? Where's the cool stuff from FRANCE?
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:09:03 MET
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland

In article <1hjgtgINN1ph@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth) writes:
> 
> Well? where is all the loot? We were promised some cool games and things...
> I don't see anything new.
> 
> -- 
> ______________________________________________________________________________
> ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca         
>                             
>                                                       
That is also my opinion. Where is that cool stuff ? Where is Arkanoid, 
Boulder Dash and the other nifty things ? OK, Tron II+ is nice, but we want
the other programs too, especially since we were promised to get them by
Xmas.

Hugh, I've spoken.


Nico Ghilardi
<ghilardi@urz.unibas.ch>

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: The "high price" of the HP48!
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<PHR.92Dec31210006@napa.telebit.com>
	<1993Jan1.121301.2942@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:16:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.121301.2942@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:

   > You can
   >quite easily get a 386sx box in the $500 range and I've scrounged
   >together XT and 286 machines for as little as $100.

   XT's are ridiculous for running modern software (Mathematica,
   Derive).  286's are sometimes OK if you don't mind waiting awhile
   and don't need to use the machine that often.  I think it's a
   disservice to recommend anything less than a 386SX to someone
   trying to do serious engineering or science work, though.
   Typically "cheap" 386SX boxes with hard drives and monitors go for
   about $1K.  And these really are CHEAP PCs -- flimsy keyboards,
   huge dot pitch monitors, etc.  Definitely not HP (or even TI or
   Casio) quality!  Also, software for that PC of yours is going to
   run you at least another $100 for MathCAD, Mathematica, etc. -- and
   those are often the student versions.

You think the high dot pitch monitors are worse than the 8 line hp48 display?
Actually, I use a cheap Hercules-type monochrome monitor on my 486 box
and find it adequate.  I went to the store last week and tried a bunch
of different keyboards and bought the BEST one I tried (for key feel
etc.)  It cost $25, which was also close to the cheapest.  Generally
all the really low quality stuff has been shaken out of the market
by now.  Even the cheapest stuff is usually to be pretty useable.

According to the computer rag I'm looking at (Bay Area Computer
Currents, Dec 1 1992), a 386sx-33 system with 1 meg ram, 40 meg disk
and mono monitor is $490.  (16 or 25 mhz cpu is very slightly less).
This should suffice to run Jacal, a free symbolic math system that you
can ftp from MIT (but I haven't tried it).  You could also run the free
Emacs calculator which is supposed to be comparable to an HP48, though
you probably want to add at some more ram for this ($25/meg).  (I've
used that program, it's amazing).

   >  I don't know what
   >a TI-81 is but I think my (now dead) HP25 was a more than powerful
   >enough calculator for nearly any student, and the 42S that replaced it
   >with is more powerful than I've ever had a need for that any
   >calculator could fill.  

   I think you're projecting what _you_ found adequate onto "nearly any
   student."  Given that I have a HP-48 that I use regularily, I'd feel
   extremely constrained if I could _only_ use a 42S.  (I do also own a 32S-II
   which I use a lot, though.)

This might be true.  But I took lots of math, physics, CS, and
engineering classes, and don't think my experiences were atypical.
I'm interested to hear what you do with your 48 that you couldn't
do with your 32S-II (not sure what that is).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu (Gerald George Marfoe)
Subject: Experiences with ElekTek, EduCalc, mail order places?
Keywords: Reputable mail-order places, HP-48SX, shipping
Reply-To: gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:52:55 GMT

I got the phone numbers for EduCalc, ElekTek and Surveyors Supply from the
FAQ-HP48 list, but I'd like to know of any experiences that you may have had
in ordering from these places. I've been hearing some bad comments about
ElekTek in other newsgroups (e.g., cashing a check and not sending the order),
so I'd like to know what the place with the best service and reputation to
order from is.

Has anyone ever dealt with Future Office Supplies (or something like that)
in Brooklyn, NY? They're selling an HP-48SX for $239 in their January '93
Computer Shopper ad.

Please send replies to:

gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu

---

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InterNet: gmarfoe@eng.auburn.edu    |... Suus cuique mos. Suum cuique.../
          ggmar@ducvax.auburn.edu   |Memento, terrigena./Memento, vita brevis."
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From: kcooke@stein.u.washington.edu (Kenneth E. Cooke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Power of 2
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:15:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec21.191508.8415
Organization: University of Washington

stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) writes:

>Kenneth Cooke writes:
B
>! << NOT DUP 1 + OR 1 + #0 == >>

>There's an even better solution than this.

>\<< # 0h SWAP OVER + DUP 1 - AND == \>>

I dont know if I'd say better :)
These are identical, one being the negative-logic version of the other.
I do like yours better - it's easier to test for all 0's than all 1's
(without knowing the word-size).

>--
>Steve VanDevender 	stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu
>"Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the population.
>Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of travel, and the
>classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."

Ken Cooke
N7VFE
kcooke@u.washington.edu
From: cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu (christopher williams)
Subject: Re: Try this program...(from France)
Originator: cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:23:00 GMT

In <cr#@byu.edu> dougc@bert.cs.byu.edu (Douglas R. Cannon) writes:
>Here is another "goody" that Christophe Nguyen has mailed to me.
>It is a digitization of part of the theme song to Beverly Hills Cop.
>(Is that right??)
>Anyway, it's kinda neat, even though it takes 12 Kb.
>Enjoy!
>Doug Cannon

does it come with a player? if not, what player do i need? 

-cgw-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: gvahe@cs.ulowell.edu (Gerry Vahe)
Subject: Questions about pc-hp48s! to hp48s
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:16:17 GMT

I just bought a hp48s.  
Where can I get the cable to connect the hp to my computer?

Would it be extremely hard to make?

Do I need software to make the transfer option possible?

Will most programs in the directorys on ftp sites labled "HP48SX"
work with the hp48s?

Any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated.  Please mail them
directly to me because I dont usually read this newsgroup!!!
Thanks a lot!
-gerry

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu (Phoenix)
Subject: Bin or ASCII in FTP
Reply-To: twh18@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:37:26 GMT

	I recently logged on the FTP site seq.uncwil.edu.
To my surprise, I found out the stuffs in games directory
was in ASCII form, while goodies in Graphics directory
are in binary form.  Well, can someone tell me does it
matter which mode (ASCII/binary) you use when DL files from
FTP?  I mean, does it matter if I use ASCII mode to DL a
binary file from FTP, then use binary mode to get it on my
HP48SX?
	BTW, I finally got the Tron installed by get the
binary form.  Thanks to many one who answer to my question.
I just don't get people don't UL stuff use binary form to FTP.
Anyway, I feel the urgent need to get a RAM card.  IF any one
has a used RAM card they want to sell, please E-MAIL me.
	Thank you very much!
				Ming
From: akcs.n2kyw@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Paul Smith)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 03:40:03 GMT
Subject: Re: How to OPEN the HP48
Message-ID: <2b37d320.2450.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>