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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: No de-interlacer in the a4000?
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:01:23 GMT

In article <35145@cbmvax.commodore.com> spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.170052.2727@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin E. Black) writes:
>>I can't believe what I heard.  I heard there will be absolutely no type of 
>>deinterlacer on the a4000, just the productivity modes that are atainable
>>in the ecs.  That is junk, I meen hell if I want normal hires in interlace,
>
>It's only partially true. Whilst there is no deinterlacer on the A4000, you 
>can enable a 'promotion' feature in preferences which will de-interlace all 
>screens opened as the default monitor. In other words, there is a software/
>chip solution to the problem.

Could you offer more details on 'promotion'?  I'm going out on a limb,
but are the 15KHz modes simply forced into 31KHz modes?

>I admit that it's not the best solution. A deinterlacer would be real nice, 
>but would also add to the cost of the machine. Remember, the A4000 would 
>have to buffer 24 bits of data, the A3000 only buffers 12 bits.

And we all thank you for those extra 12 bits!  :-)

>>want it deinterlaced I won't beable to.  This is a poor judgement of 
>>Commodore to remove it.  Since I have a monitor capable of 50khz and 
>>up to 73hz, I wanted the super72 mode of 800x600 deinterlace.  Since 
>>the super72 requires a 25khz monitor it would work great.  
>
>The A3000 doesn't deinterlace the Super72 modes. Amber passes them straight
>through.

Will an SVGA monitor handle the Super72 modes?  I'd assume that it
would, but I've not used the modes yet and was curious.

>>I hope the deinterlace car that is out will work with it.  After all 
>>there will be lots of productivity programs that will only write for 
>>regular hires and hires interlace.
>
>...and with 'promotion' enabled, there is a fair chance they will be
>deinterlaced. (Personally, with the exception of art packages, I won't even
>bother with productivity software that cannot work on my workbench).

With 'promotion' enabled, will the half-line flicker be present?  I
realize that this is a small point, but I find it somewhat annoying.
Also, are the problems with the pointer flickering due to the 
de-interlacer gone?

>>marty

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>                                              | or uunet!cbmvax!spence
>All opinions expressed are my own, and do not | Bix: sshanson
>(necessarily) represent those of Commodore.   | "Copper? I hardly even
>                                              | know her!"

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: usatoday@daimi.aau.dk (Peter Dalsgaard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: What is Opalvision ??
Date: 12 Sep 92 15:09:07 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

Forgive me for asking, but what exactly is OpalVision ??

Is it a graphical board, including software (paint etc.), or
is this totally incorrect.

Thanks for any replies


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   *** Computer Science Department      \\\\////      ***
   *** University of Aarhus, Denmark     \\//// Amiga ***
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Calligrapher problem.
Date: 5 Sep 92 13:34:44 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <2AA6F6E5.20588@news.service.uci.edu> by rcaslis@hydra.acs.uci.edu (Russell Caslis):

> I know this really didn't help, but I thought a few people out there might
> be interested in some of the history behind the program.

    I was (interested, that is). I bought Calligrapher a long time
    ago, but never really used it until now. I was wondering if I
    should put together a suggestion list and mail it off... :)

> Russ Caslis
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: Holt@cheme.washington.edu (Brad Holt)
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Chemical Engineering, U Washington
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:54:24 GMT

In article <1628@lysator.liu.se>, boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
wrote:
> 
> bdnee@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Bandes Dessinee) writes:
> 
> >This AGA chipset incompatibility thing wouldn't piss me off nearly so much if 
> >they had introduced DIG/RTG/whatever the hell they choose to call it FIRST.
> >Commodore would be nowhere without the existing userbase, couldn't they have 
> >the decency to look out for us first, before introducing something that 
> >makes our machines obsolete?
> 
>   Obsolete, adj. : no longer used ; out of date ; old-fashioned
> 
>   Has Commodore's release of the A4000 in some way affected your A3000 so
> that you can no longer use it? How is your A3000 different today from what
> it was four days ago (when no A4000 officially existed)? You can still use
> it, but if you want better graphics you have to buy a new computer. So
> what? If a car manufacturer brings out a new model with a better engine
> you have to sell your current car and buy a new one - do you get pissed
> off at the manufacturer? Probably not.
> 
>   Commodore has been much better than most other computer manufacturers
> in this respect. Just look at the Mac for instance - none of the early
> models are upgradable to a Quadra.
> 

   Not true.  The Mac IIcx is upgradable to the Mac IIci which is
upgradable
to the Quadra 700.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: 4000
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:51:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep12.125138.632
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


 > - 3 1/2" 880k floppy drive

Word from the WOC show is that the floppy drive can read/write 880k format
but is really a full speed 1.76 meg drive that reads/writes to 720k/1440k
IBM PC disks as well.


 > - 150 watt power supply

Doesn't CBM *EVER* learn?  Another minimal power supply!


 > BTW didn't C= buy the rights to DCTV...

I heard that they bought the rights to Black Belt Systems HAM-E and not
DCTV.  I also heard that they *might* try to incorporate DCTV psudo 24-bit
technology into any new versions of the CDTV... rumors, rumors...


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From: jmpor@dynam.UUCP (Jean-Marc Porchet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: OPALVISION is Awesome !
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:23:51 GMT
Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmswi!dynam!jmpor@cbmvax.commodore.com
Organization: Merging Technologies
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <amuser.716112556@marsh>, Bill Sharp-Smith AUG writes:

> * an external version will be released, and a display only version for
> low end systems. These may be one and the same product.
> 
> * in the future, full screen, full rate 24 bit animation.
> 

Can you explain me the how you will fetch the 24 bits data from thge Amiga
to OPALVISION (720x576x24x25 =  31 MB/S), I would like to know how they
can have a so High transfer rate.


PS: There is  one board that can do that, the GVP EGS-1024 can do that
when hooked up on a 50 Mhz 030 or a 040, but even with 64 MB of memory
it's only a 2 seconds animation. (the animation is displayed in a window
on a 1280x1024 screen,it can be a little bit faster in full screen mode).

--

PS : forgive my bad English, I'm still trying to learn it
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From: trat@amiganet.chi.il.us (Thomas Reamer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: 3D
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:20:16 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <yury.02vg@bknight.jpr.com>, yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)
writes:
>
>       For anyone who does modeling on an AMIGA either using Lightwave,
>Imagine or anything else I strongly suggest taking a look at something
>new. The ANIMATRIX MODELER is something that will make your life alot
>easier. 
>       I have been using it for about 3 months now and the latest version
>even got me exited to use it. Besides being able to load and save in 2 of
>the most popular formats (and others as well). The modeler has something
>no one else does. .... REAL 3D!! No not the program but actually 3D on the
>screen. If you use the multicolored 3D glasses or the Heitex goggles you
>will get a real 3D view of the 3D object in 3D. Confused???
>
>       Its a must to see.. and even better to be used. I have almost
>forgoten about the modeler in Imagine after starting to use this one.
>
>P.S.: I am not associated with Animatrix just love to use it.
>
>
>-- 
>    _____________________________________________________________________
>   |                                                                     |
>   | Yury German                  yury@bknight.jpr.com                   |
>   | Blue-Knight Productions      GENIE EMAIL: Blue-Knight               |
>   | (718)321-0998            ** Graphic Design and Video Productions ** |
>   |_____________________________________________________________________|
DO the glasses come with it??  I own a 1960 Multi-synch(scan same thign)  Will
I be able to use something like this with this monitor?

Thanx!
From: blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re:   ADPro vs. ImageMaster: Which is better for DTP?
Date: Sun,  6 Sep 92 20:17:09 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <65348@cup.portal.com> <kkrebs.01iy@amilink.UUCP>

Ken Krebs,

You've got the right number; we were using Steve Tibbet's BBX.... recently,
the HD on the BBS machine filled up, and BBX went right out of it's gourd.
Lost messages, screwed up message headers, crashed, generally had a heyday.

We've shut down the BBS and reformatted the HD (which was trashed in a
major way; we're currently waiting for DLG pro (I think it's called)
which James Hastings-Trew sorta convinced me we should be using; we sent
the fund$ for it about two-three weeks ago, but have yet to receive
the BBS software itself. As soon as it arrives, we'll be back online,
all fresh and brandy new.

Sorry for the inconvenience. :^(                         --Ben
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: jsurace@cco.caltech.edu (Jason A. Surace)
Subject: Re: OPALVISION is Awesome !
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:53:04 GMT



Like the ads say "seeing is believing".

Well, I saw, and I believe!

I was leaning towards IV-24, since I wanted a good 24-bit board,
but wasn't really looking for a video package. Opalvision really blew
everything away. I particularly like the modular design, so you get
what you want. The Opalvision rep. wouldn't give any prices for the 
modules (as yet unfinished, but slated for release by Christmas), but did
say that the entire, fully loaded package would come in at around $2000, in
order to compete with similair products (the Toaster and IV-24, I assume).


                                              Jason Surace
                                           
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: taylorm@wl.aecl.ca
Subject: RE: DCTV help needed:HEEEELLLLLPPP!!
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:13:58 GMT

gilgalad@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Ralph Seguin) writes:
> ...What I want to know is what sort of frame rate I can
> expect to get with an Amiga 3000/4000. ...

Hi, I have an Amiga 3000/25 and DCTV, and have a few tips for fast animation
with it.  If you must have full screen animation there are a few sacrifices
you have to make.  Apparent resolution is a product of screen resolution,
colour, and speed.  I you give up some of the first two, the speed of the
resulting animation can make up for it.  The following will speed up
animations:

1. Turn off overscan.  If you do this, you will only have to move 69% as much
   information.

2. Switch to 3-bit plane mode.  You will never notice the difference if you
   are doing something fast like a canyon fly through.  You will notice the
   drop in colour though, if you have an object which is stationary or moving
   very slowly.  You only have to move 75% as mush data in this mode.

3. Switch to a non-interlace mode.  I'm not sure about the quality of
   non-interlace for recording.  You might want to run dolace, or some such
   program before recording.  Once again, the drop in resolution is only
   noticeable in object with little or no motion.  You only have to move 50%
   as much data.

So, if you use all three, you have 26% as much data as an overscan, interlace
full colour animation.  Once again, this is assuming that you are doing a
full screen movement style animation.  Using all three of these tips, I get
at least 25 fps no matter how complicated the animation is.  I have an
animation created by digitising all the frames of the sceen in Robinhood where
the arrow flies through the trees, and it looks like a video tape (minus the
overscan).  Remember, film is only 24 frames per second, as is PAL video.  That
is all you need for convincing motion.

As an earlier post points out, the Amiga4000 can move data between chip ram
and the custom chips four times as fast.  So, theoretically,  you should be
able to get close to full overscan, full colour, interlace, full screen 
animation at 25-30 fps using a DCTV.

I hope I was of some help.

                                                              /\/\ike Taylor
                                         mataylor@math.undergrad.waterloo.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.graphics:6055 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:15379
From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: CBM Discusses Future Amigas
Summary: The cat is out of the bag now.
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:58:04 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Organization: BT Tymnet, San Jose, CA

In article <ROBIN.92Sep14110151@vipunen.hut.fi> robin@vipunen.hut.fi (Jarto 'Robin' Tarpio) writes:
>Believe what you want. Note, however that this was not written by a
>Commodore employee or representative. Neither was it written by a
>developer. Do not spread it !!!!
>
>Jarto Tarpio - Commercial Developer - StarSoft Ky - Finland

However: 

1) These were the exact words coming out of the mouth of a high ranking
offical at Commodore (Louis Eggebrecht is the Vice President of Engineering
at Commodore International.)

2) The announcement was made at to the public (at the World of Commodore/Amiga
in Pasadena).

Several of the registered developers felt that he "spilled the beans" and
said more than he should have about Commodore's plans.  But what has been
said cannot be unsaid.  The secrets are out, and they will be spread.
-- 
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<jms@tardis.tymnet.com>     P.O. Box 49019, MS-C51, San Jose, CA 95161-9019
CA license plate: "POPJ P,"    Married to the LB, Quantum Leap's #1 net.fan
PDP-10, 36-bits forever!    Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me."
From: n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Barry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Amiga+Toaster used to create "Babylon 5" TV show
Keywords: Computer graphics for prime-time TV show.
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:23:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep8.192310.20100
Organization: Western Washington University

Great!  A new SciFi series *and* it's made with the Amiga!

Does anyone know when this "Babalyon 5" will begin airing and
on what network?

-BarryB
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.graphics:5996 comp.sys.amiga.misc:13881
From: DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:03:27 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>What I don't understand in all of this is howcome there can't be some sort of
>motherboard replacement?  
>                                Charley

I own a 3000 and I'm really ticked (I'm starting to feel ALOT like a 1000 owner
,
except 1000 owners always had some hack-em-up to keep them current!)

Anyways, what good would a MB upgrade do? you'd need a new hard drive (your
3000's SCSI won't work) You might as well buy a new machine! I can't imagine
the case and power supply are worth much!

Don DeCosta           |The nice thing about sanity is|  VM/Nomad2
DonD@cup.portal.com   |you can lose it more than once|  Amiga/Imagine
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.graphics:5950 comp.graphics:9643
From: diskount@micromed.com (don hirschfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics,comp.graphics
Subject: Re: Info wanted about Hash Enterprises: Will WIntons Playmation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:20:12 PDT
Organization: Micro-Medic BBS - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access

her@compel.UUCP (Helge Egelund Rasmussen) writes:

> I just received a newsletter from Impulse where they describe a
> new product from Hash Enterprises called "Will Wintons playmation".
> Apparently it looks somewhat like Imagine, but uses spline
> modelling.
> 
> Does anyone know more about this new product?
> 
> What is the difference between this product and Journeyman?
> 
> Helge
> ---
> Helge E. Rasmussen  .  PHONE + 45 36 72 33 00  .  E-mail:  her@compel.dk
> Compel A/S          .  FAX   + 45 36 72 43 00  .  
> Copenhagen, Denmark

From the ads, Playmation for the PC lokks like a port from Journeyman 
(they show the same sample files). I hope the PC version renders to a 
higher resolution than the sample files I saw on the Amiga.

-- 
diskount@micromed.com (don hirschfeld)
From: diskount@micromed.com (don hirschfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Imagine mailing list
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 12:19:55 PDT
Organization: Micro-Medic BBS - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access

paulg@weird.miami.fl.us (Paul Griswold) writes:

> 
> For some reason I was dropped off the Imagine mailing list.  Can someone plea
> 
> Thanks!!!
> 
> Paul Griswold
> 
> --- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)
> 

Try: Imagine-request@email.sp.unisys.com
Just mention you want to subscribe.

-- 
diskount@micromed.com (don hirschfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: DCTV flickers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:08:54 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <mac1.715984326@Ra.MsState.Edu> mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir  
Cheema) writes:
> 	      a friend of mine recently purchased a DCTV and it 
>   flickers. He has an Amiga 2000 with de-interlacer. We connected it
>   to an A500 and it didn't flicker anymore. 

Do you mean flickers like an interlaced display or
flickers as in jiggling side to side?

In the former case, the other posters have had some good
ideas.  Let me mention that for well-shaded images, you
shouldn't really notice the interlacing (well, anymore
than you do on TV), but for some images it's going to look
really bad.

If it's the latter, play (carefully) with the Pixel
Adjust on the unit.  Generally, you want it right in the
middle of the working range and you should test it with a
picture with thin, white, vertical lines surrounding
regions of color.

I use the picture made of 16 small images that came with
DCTV.  I don't know if they give you that one anymore, but it
made my display freak out if I didn't have the Pixel Adjust
set right.  

ab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: No AGA for current users!?! *Excuse Me?*
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:59:02 GMT

In article <David_Corn.0co1@fcircus.sat.tx.us> David_Corn@fcircus.sat.tx.us (David Corn) writes:

[MacIIci/cx->Quadra]
>
>Philip, you need to check with Apple.  Right in front of me I have a
>spec sheet from Apple.  The IIci or IIcx can go straight to the Quadra. 
>Cost?  $2600.  For 24 bit color and a superfast 040, that isn't too bad.

That gets you a 25MHz Quadra. You need to get RAM, video RAM, etc...By the
time you add it up you're talking over $3000. With Quadra and other Mac 
pricing changing so rapidly, that's close to what one would pay for one
anyway[ education].
 
Mind you, I did think the upgrade price was a bit higher than your quote.
Last time I checked was a few months ago. Has it dropped?
 
By the way, you should really take into consideration IIcx->IIci->Quadra 700
if you're following the upgrade route.
 
Thank's for the number. It's almost worthwhile! People used to pay $1000 to
go from an 030 NeXT to the 040 one.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: diskount@micromed.com (don hirschfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: imagine mailing list
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 13:37:35 PDT
Organization: Micro-Medic BBS - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access

artist1@rdrc.rpi.edu (Artist # 1) writes:

> Could someone tell me what happened to the Imagine mailing list?
> Is is mentioned in the latest edition of understanding Imagine 2.0.
> 
> Also, i read in Amiga World that portal, which is also mentioned as
> an interesting source of Imagine info, now has internet access...
> does anyone know either telnet or ftp addresses?
> 
> Please write me at artist1@rdrc.rpi.edu
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> david blair

The Imagine mailing list is alive in well. To get on it, just send a line 
saying you want to join to:Imagine-request@email.sp.unisys.com
That's all you need (I think). I just joined 2 weeks ago and have had a 
couple of questions aswered already. Good luck.

-- 
diskount@micromed.com (don hirschfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Humpal)
Subject: Re: Problem with No New Copper in A4000
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:46:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.023838.16397@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   There is one thing about the AGA chipset that I've forgotten to mention. 
>This is the drawbacks to the lack of improvements to the copper.  In the
>ECS, the copper requires 2 scanlines to update the palette registers between
>pull-down screens.  The AGA Lisa chip now has many more palette registers,
>but the copper has not been updates accordingly.  The result is bigger
>blank space between pull-down screens on the AGA chipset.  A total of 11
>scanlines of space, in fact.  Thus, you can write off enhanced equivelents
>to the Dynamic HiRes or SHAM modes for the AGA chipset.
        ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^    ^^^^

	Yawn.  Why would anyone with the AGA chipset even *want* to go
and use those hacks?


-- 
-John

John J. Humpal -- johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu -- short .sig, std. disclaimer
From: ieeu0025@cs.montana.edu (Craig Keenan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Where are Tobias Pics?
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:53:48 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717

I was recently looking thru an old euromag and saw some reviews of pd warez 
disks.  One had some Tobias Richter art on them that looked very good.  Does
anybody know where on the net some of his art would be hiding?  Especially,
those with a Science fiction theme? Thanks much...

   __
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