From: jd@homxc.att.com (John A Dinardo)
Subject: 2 WBAI: Harvard Harbors the Adolf Eichmann of Guatemala: Heinous Hector
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Keywords: HARVARD ADMINISTRATORS DESERVE CONDEMNATION FOR SCHOOLING GENOCIDISTS!
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 02:22:20 GMT

   Thanks to a caring person in Foster City, California for transcribing
   the following broadcast for the enlightenment of concerned readers. 

   This transcript is part of a very special broadcast by Dennis 
   Bernstein and Allan Nairn, crusaders against ALL holocausts.
   The program was broadcast by 
                        WBAI-FM Radio (99.5)
                        505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
                        New York, NY 10018        (212) 279-0707

                     ~~ FOREWORD ~~
                   (followed by Part II)
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DENNIS BERNSTEIN: Hector Gramajo is about to graduate from Harvard University,
the Edwin S. Mason Program in Public Policy and Management at the Kennedy
Center. We've heard a lot about the rape at the Kennedy compound down in
Florida. Here's a mass murderer, rapist, who has been overseeing horror in
Guatemala for many years. In my hands, I'm holding the graduation program.
They list Hector Gramajo, but they don't talk about him as Defense Minister,
as head of the Army, doing the things Allan is talking about -- he's Director 
of the Center of Strategic Studies for National Stability. This is Hector
Gramajo, and Allan Nairn is confronting him face to face at Brown University
about his death squad activities.

    Hector Gramajo is getting a Master's degree in Civics so that he can go
back and continue the murder. Harvard's phone number is 617-495-2133. 

     [JD: Hector Gramajo graduated from Harvard in June, 1991,
      but there is no statute of limitations for expressing your 
      outrage over Harvard's hospitality toward genocidists. 
      Suppose Harvard enrolled Adolph Eichmann. You couldn't protest
      against Eichmann and neglect to protest against Gramajo.
      Tell Steve Reifenberg, at the above Harvard number, how you
      feel about Harvard University cozying up to genocidists.]

Maybe you agree. Maybe they SHOULD be schooling mass murderers. I don't. 
But this radio station has to remain viable, so that we can bring you 
this kind of material.
     "HECTOR GRAMAJO AT HARVARD!"   Are you reading about this in today's
NEWSDAY? Do you think you're going to hear about this graduation day that's
taking place at Harvard? How does Sister Diana Ortiz feel about that, 
(who was raped and tortured under Gramajo while Gramajo was Defense Minister) 
the American nun who was burned -- cigarette burned -- 126 times?
   Call us at 212-279-0707. We've got some material here that will just 
turn your head around. How do you feel about it?
     American institutions have been playing a role in supporting and 
creating and sanitizing these kinds of dictatorships for years. 
Harvard is no different. [Listen to] my interview with a public relations 
person [Steve Singer] at Harvard. That will get you VERY ANGRY to hear!
I said: "Do you know who this guy Hector Gramajo is? 
He says, "No, not really. I may have read an article or something." 
     It's interesting how they don't ... you know, I'm tongue-tied, it 
makes me so furious, when I think about this ... he tells me, "GRAMAJO IS
VERY POPULAR WITH THE STUDENTS!"  But does anybody know who he is??
Has anybody informed them??  Are there any media around to tell the truth
about something like this?  This graduate of Harvard, wearing a cap and gown,
getting a Master's degree in Civics.  
     You know what he told a reporter, recently, after he got his democratic
education?  I'm paraphrasing: "We used to have to kill 100% of the population.
Now we only have to kill 30% of the population."


                          PART II
DENNIS BERNSTEIN:
[the U.S. Government has]
... supported one military dictator after another. In the 1980's
the Reagan Administration discovered democracy, or maybe even earlier.
Reagan knew that a duly constituted democrat is much better than a
dictator. And so now there are so called Presidents in Guatemala. Gramajo,
who you heard Allan Nairn talking about, is getting ready to go back 
and use his Harvard degree to run for President of Guatemala. Imagine
that. That's extraordinary! I have Allan Nairn in the studio and in one
moment we're going to be talking with Allan Nairn, we're going to be
hearing about what the Public Relations department at Harvard says 
about this. And I'm very curious to know if anybody has called over
there to Harvard to ask them how they feel about training a mass murderer.
The number over there, by the way, is 617-495-2133. Somebody called here 
with the number of the Harvard Crimson. But I don't know where I put it.
The Crimson, the Newspaper at Harvard, did NOT do ONE story on Gramajo.  
The Public Relations Director said the students love Gramajo. Well, 
do they know who Gramajo is?  Would they love him if they knew they 
were having a good time eating lunch with a mass-murderer ??

... I'm proud to have in the studio with me Allan Nairn who has done
some excellent reporting on Central America. Allan's pieces on the death
squads that appeared in the Progressive and the New Republic have changed 
the whole situation in terms of what we know about the death squads 
and their relations to the U.S. Government. I want to talk to you more 
about Gramajo, and a little later we're going to be hearing from Steve 
Singer, the Public Relations Director for the Kennedy School at Harvard
University where Gramajo is going to graduate with a Masters as a member 
of the Mason's program. And I have found out that the Mason's program is
partially indirectly federally funded. So YOU'RE putting Hector through
college.  Allan, first of all, can you give us a little background about 
what has been happening in Guatemala and what happened when you began 
to tell the truth about Gramajo and Guatemala?  Give us some of the 
background there.

ALLAN NAIRN:
You're talking about 1986?

DENNIS BERNSTEIN:
Yes, when you were in Guatemala and, I guess, when the story in the New
Republic broke.
  
ALLAN NAIRN:
In 1986 I did a piece with Jean Raye Simon in the New Republic describing
how the Guatemalan Army runs the assassinations and disappearances -- doing
it through G-2, the Military Intelligence service. We went into great detail
talking about specific cases, specific assassinations, how the orders had
been given.  We did a Spanish translation of the piece, circulated it 
within Guatemala and it created a political uproar there. For several weeks
it was all over the front pages of the newspapers and on television. But
the reports would say: there was this article attacking the army -- but
they wouldn't say exactly what this article was about because they were
afraid that if they did the army would strike back. Forty-eight journalists
have been assassinated in Guatemala since 1978, so it's very risky for
Guatemalans to even raise these topics. But as U.S. citizens, we have
a certain margin of immunity that we're able to use. And then, one day in
this uproar, Gramajo was going on TV, denouncing us as communists and
subversives, saying that we would be thrown out of the country. First
they said we would be thrown out of the country. Then they said we wouldn't
be allowed to leave the country. Then one officer said he would bring
criminal libel charges against us which would result in us being put 
in jail. And in the midst of this I had an interview with President Sedeco,
at that time the ceremonial President of Guatemala. And when I came 
out of his office the local TV stations asked: Well, what is your
response to the charges or the attacks of General Gramajo? And I said: 
Well I think General Gramajo was speaking this way, because in the 
article we describe his own responsibility for assassinations and
disappearances as well as that of General Loba Samora, Colonel Louis 
Najub and various others. And that clip of me saying that was run on
Guatemalan TV that night. That was the first time during this 
whole affair that the specifics of what we were saying in the article 
and the names of the officers involved actually came out. And I think 
they put that on the air because it was coming out of the mouth of an
American citizen who was standing outside the President's office, and 
the journalists didn't have to say it themselves, they could say it 
through the videotape of me saying it. Because these are taboo subjects 
in Guatemala. Everybody knows this! Anybody on the street can tell 
you that the army is behind it and the army is responsible, but 
journalists there risk their lives if they print that. 

DENNIS BERNSTEIN:
We're speaking with Allan Nairn. We're speaking about Hector Gramajo.
I was looking at the Havard Yearbook, Allan.  Don't you find it 
interesting Allan? They don't mention that he's the former Defense 
Minister or the former Army Chief of Staff. They don't mention that. 
Do you think they wouldn't know who he was?

ALLAN NAIRN:
Well, of course they know. Obviously, they know who he is. I think
the interesting point about Gramaho at Harvard is that in one way 
he's very much in the Harvard and Kennedy School tradition because 
the faculty and the people who pass through the Kennedy School, who 
go into the higher reaches of the U.S. Government and help to implement 
U.S. foreign policy, have really been responsible for more deaths over 
the years than General Gramajo has.  Henry Kissinger, operating in 
the dozens of countries that he operated in, killed far more people 
than Gramajo could ever dream of. So there's nothing new about the 
connection between Harvard and mass murder as a matter of political 
policy. But what is remarkable about Gramajo is that here is a man who 
had his hands in the blood, who was there directly, supervising those 
who were pulling the trigger. He was the Commander of the Western Zone 
and the Northwest Highlands in 1982 when the army swept from village to
village, wiping out 662 villages by their own count, beheading babies 
and committing what the Catholic Bishop's Conference described as GENOCIDE. 
So here you have a man who strips away the usual distance that American
politicians are accustomed to, between their decisions and the blood on 
the ground, and EVEN THAT does not bother Harvard University.
                        (to be continued)
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    You have to visualize women and children being decapitated
    -- babies being strangled and crushed to death, in order to
    feel the terror and fury that these victims feel. Then ask
    yourself: If it was my spouse, my sister, my baby who was
    being so heinously murdered, would I lift a finger to protect
    them? And if you would, then conscience dictates that you protect
    these thousands upon thousands of suffering peasants? All we  
    have to do is galvanize our sovereign individual political power, 
    endowed to us at birth, under the Constitution. All we have 
    to do is to focus that galvanized political power upon those
    scoundrels who occupy The People's Congress of the United States,
    so that the battered people of Guatemala can, at last, celebrate
    being rescued from their national mortuary.

    There are organizations already formed, waiting for our help.
    One of these organizations is the Christic Institute which combats
    these U.S. Government atrocities by wielding the most powerful
    societal instrument that we have: the law under the Constitution.

    What laws is the U.S Government desecrating?
    ... The Nuremburg Principles
    ... The International Treaty Outlawing Genocide, signed by President
           Reagan on November 4, 1988
    ... The Fourth Geneva Convention
    ... Our state laws prohibiting murder

    When somebody violates the law, you get an attorney to prosecute them.
    You'll find no more courageous an attorney than Daniel Sheehan.
    Please write him a brief note stating that you want to
    stop the genocide in Guatemala.

            Daniel Sheehan, Lead Attorney
            The Christic Institute
            1324 North Capitol St., N.W.
            Washington, D.C. 20002

    What's in it for us?  The most valuable possession you could have,
    besides your health: A renewed sense of pride and self-esteem;
    and it only costs a 29-cent stamp and about ten minutes of writing.

John DiNardo
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If we seriously listen to this "God within us" ["conscience",
if you will], we usually find ourselves being urged to take the
more difficult path, the path of more effort rather than less.
.... Each and every one of us, more or less frequently, will hold
back from this work. .... Like every one of our ancestors before
us, we are all lazy. So original sin does exist; it is our laziness.

                                        M. Scott Peck
                                   THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED
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