From: ctdonath@dodo.syr.EDU (Carl T. Donath)
Subject: Re: Praise Raves...
In-reply-to: ah431@yfn.ysu.edu's message of Wed, 9 Dec 1992 19:14:32 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 12:49:12 EST

In article <1992Dec9.191432.28213@news.ysu.edu> ah431@yfn.ysu.edu (Evan P. Roth) writes:
In a previous article, rjg@cs.bham.ac.uk (Robin J Green) says:
>In article <1992Dec4.024234.20449@news.ysu.edu> ah431@yfn.ysu.edu (Evan P. Roth) writes:
>>>
>>>listen,everyone is entitled to their own opinions but i think you are so OFF
>>>here that it is ridiculous!! raving and raves are the complete OPPOSITE of 
>>>fucking establishments and organized ANYTHING-especially religion. religion 
>>>is one of the, if not the most, oldest establishments of authority and 
>>>dictatorships in the world and to combine some god with a rave is so off. 
>>>raving itself can almost be a religious experience but it's NOT acknowledge-
>>>ment to some deity-it's joy for yourself, for others, for the occasion, for 
>>>the loveliness and beauty of raves in and of themselves.... (imho)
>>>
>>>PEACE,
>>>e va n

It's sad to see yet another person confuse the core of religion (in this
discussion, let's stick to Christianity) with the power structure that
megalomaniacs & their ilk have tried to mutate it into.

There are many people who gather together _outside_ the realm of "organized
religion" to share the joy felt in recongizing & worshiping God and learning
more about Him. Frequently this "sharing" involves music, and sometimes 
dancing. Some of us get tired of singing quaint choruses and would like to
express/experience the joy of our religion at 150bpm with kilowatt sound
systems and lasers: i.e., a "Christian Rave".

Engaging in religious activities outside the "establishment" is not an
unthinkable idea. Many of these "establishments of authority" detest any 
music that is not part of the ancient traditions, yet there is a thriving
market of wonderfully meaningful Christian music that horrifies the 
"establishment". There really is Christian rock, heavy metal, punk, rap, 
alternative & experimental. I for one am craving Christian techno (if I don't 
find one soon, I'll just have to start a band & make some).


>>
>>You hit it on the head there - Joy. That's the word. Ever heard of
>>religious ecstasy? Ever expreienced it? It's like the biggest body
>>rush you've EVER had on grams of whizz. And it's FREE.
>>

>well, this is purely a matter of opinion, and as it happens i don't agree with
>you at all on this- 

But I do. The emptiness of life get filled (once you sufficiently comprehend
God's plan and let him guide you), the joy wells up and _stays_. It's free.
It's fulfilling. If you haven't had it, you don't know what you're missing.
You can't get it unless you really put God first.

>who else on alt.raves thinks religion and raves should or
>can be linked together??

Obviously I do. Those of you who are interested in a "Christian rave", 
e-mail me. Let's do one.

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