HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: karsten@nic.gac.edu (Karsten Hendrick)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: GAY & LESBIAN DISCRIMINATION...(What asshole started this thread anyway?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:36:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.150517.5241@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM>  whimpers:
 
> >What a load of shit.  It's pretty damn hard to beat people up via
> >e-mail, would you like to explain how I could successfully promote
> >violence on alt.flame?  
 
> Do you honestly believe that the only possible vehicle of violence is 
> fists?  Are you that benighted?

Violence occurs when physical force is used to hurt someone.
Anyone who is physically hurt by something said on alt.flame is
as K e n says, "in dire need of repair."  

> >If I am promoting hate, it's because some weak-minded fool can't 
> >live with a diversity of opinion. 
 
> *If* you are promoting hate?  You *are* promoting hatred.  Hatred is not
> an action, it is a verbal and intellectual concept.  It is most often 
> inspired purely by words.

Now, now, Babette, you can't just say that, you have to prove
that I *am* promoting hatred.  

Someone who hates another person becasue of what that person
said must be a weakminded fool.  There is nothing anyone could
tell me that would make me hate them, because if it's not true,
who cares, and if it is true, so what?

Wait, is this one of those "don't say that because it could hurt 
someone's self-esteem" lines of reasoning, is it?  This is not
the forum for verbal compassion.  I insult and ridicule here, and
receive insult and ridicule in return, which is exactly what this 
forum is for.  If it's a social club for you, fine, but the name of 
this newsgroup clearly indicates that incendiary discussions are 
liable to take place.     
   
> >> I have a hard time with fuckwits.
 
> So do I.  Most people who are on a.f are here to thwack each other, 
> pure and simple.  There are, however, bounds to even this that lately 
> a bunch of CHILDREN have been transgressing.  Now, go play.

Oh, you've been appointed the net.messiah, who will save alt.flame
from the evil intrusion of those who don't flame nicely?  
  
> Look in the mirror some time today.  Who do you see?  Yourself?  Or
> someone else?  If you don't see yourself, you'd better stay there until
> you do.  Once you see yourself in the mirror take a good, hard look at
> what you see.  

Translation of the above - "I don't know what I'm talking about,
                            but I might as well try to sound
                            intelligent."
Guess what, Babs?  You failed.

 
> Then come back and see if you can still throw stones at someone else.

Isn't the point of alt.flame to throw stones at someone else for what
they are or say or represent, and to get stones thrown at you for what 
you are or say or represent?  

Karsten Hendrick
karsten@nic.gac.edu
karsten@lavatch.gac.edu
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Fags vs. Bisexuals
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:07:45 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <0FeDJB12w164w@homophobes.CtEdge.COM>
djk@homophobes.CtEdge.COM writes:

>I don't hate.  I just don't want certain things around ME. In my
>house, near me - or to be told that I have to accept something
>that is un-natural, sick and vile. (IMHO of course)

There's nothing humble about your opinion.
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From: djk@homophobes.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Regrets
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 01:02:55 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:

> In article <k5e6iB8w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM>, djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
> > 
> > Scoolyard politics always make me snicker.
> 
> No doubt you'll feel differently once you make it into third grade.
> 
> --
> Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
> C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.

As I said...... :-)

-djk

--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
--- Djk@homophobes.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!homophobes!Djk ------------
-- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------
From: 6500cws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Christopher Wade Skinner)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Lawrence Foard Attempts TO Justify "Queer Nation"
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:02:59 GMT

In article <gN8uiB4w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:

>Sure, live and let live.. To each his own - etc.. But not when
>it becomes a public attack using old time politics and all the
>other crap I see going on here. I watched it here for a very
>long time before I ever said a word.

Um, what "old-time politics" would those be?  I've watched this
space for quite a while myself, only to see Artie and RJ and
Wetwick spout endless nonsense and get as close as they
possibly could to inciting violence.  Think about it.

>My objection if this ridiculous classification of anyone who
>does not agree with gay/les/NAMBLA/etc issues and is 'nuts'
>enough to air his views as somehow 'sick' or a 'nazi'.. I am
>neither and the majority who feels as I do are also not to 
>be compared with those 'horrid examples' (thanks for the term
>Artimus!).

I would hardly, if I were you, expect anyone to take your
conflation of NAMBLA etc. seriously.  I really have no
desire to know anything about it-it intrudes into alt.flame
only rarely, and then is propagated when folks like your stupid
self think its great to jump on some bandwagon.

>Freedom of speech goes both ways.

Yeah, and I think I know which way you'd _like_ it to go.
"Get used to it" yourself, bigot.  You'd love to see everybody
forced to behave as you, right?  Who is shoving 'gayness' down
your throught?  People who don't want to be discriminated
against in jobs, housing, education?  That's discrimination
against you?  Because people who have a different and
difficult life want the rights they are supposed to enjoy in this
society?  I think you really object to the idea of equal before
the law.

>-djk

How do your co workers feel about your bigotry?

cws

Oh, I know the tired response/whine: If they'd just shut up and go 
away.

Well, to paraphrase Tim Pierce, "Toby, your master whips you for
your own good."  Right, Daniel?
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: krobinsn@alqualonde.endor.cs.psu.edu (Kenneth J Robinson)
Subject: Re: Adam and Steve in the Garden of Eden
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:39:15 GMT

In article <9204131105.16@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In article <-u6Hgm#o6@cs.psu.edu> krobinsn@cirith-ungol.endor.cs.psu.edu (Kenneth J Robinson) writes:
>>In article <9204120849.51@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>>In article <qj3H=x=n6@cs.psu.edu> krobinsn@nargothrond.endor.cs.psu.edu (Kenneth J Robinson) writes:
>>>>In article <9204101406.41@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>>>>In article <i#Hk53m6@cs.psu.edu> krobinsn@osgiliath.endor.cs.psu.edu (Kenneth J Robinson) writes:
>>>>>>In article <9204081511.19@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>>>>>>In article <oHBsiB2w164w@Bogus.COM> punk@Bogus.COM (Jack C. Royce) writes:
>>>>>>>>krobinsn@eregion.endor.cs.psu.edu (Kenneth J Robinson) writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And speaking of wasted bandwidth, maybe not posting as much as you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You post more than ANYONE...  Mr Kettle...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But his short term memory is so short, that as soon as he sends off an
>>>>>>>article, it is forgotten.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It seems as if Mr. Kettle is misinformed again. Not surprising.
>>>>>
>>>>>The "Mr Kettle" above was a reference to you.  But of course you knew
>>>>>that, so you must be finally admitting that you're misinformed.
>>>>
>>>>No, the "Mr. Kettle" is in fact you. Get your facts straight. It is
>>>>apparent that the Rick Kelly unit is defective. Time for repairs.
>>>
>>>Try reading the whole message.  Starting from the top.
>>>
>>>It's not too hard for you, is it?
>>
>>And what have we here?? Is Rick attempting to "inform" me?? Rick, you
>>must take me for a fool. Your idea of information is so warped that
>>one could only see nothing but nonsense spewed forth from your largest
>>facial orifice. Please spare me the misinformation. It only gets
>>discarded. Perhaps you should discard your brain, for it seems to
>>serve no actual purpose.
>
>So you have a hard time reading quoted USENET articles.  Perhaps your
>brain can't do recursion.
>
>It is too hard for you.

My brain can do recursion. Apparently you have been misinformed.
Rick continues to drown himself in this utter propaganda. What
a waste of life.

K e n   R o b i n s o n
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
From: chuanc@aix.rpi.edu (Conrad Lin Chuang)
Subject: Re: Regrets
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:55:06 GMT

Personally I don't see why everyone is getting all worked up about this.
I don't happen to agree with Mr Karnes, but he does have a right to say 
what ever he wants just as long as he doesn't pose  a  clear and present
danger to anyone, (I don't think I worded that very well.) Anyhow, Karnes
is voicing an opion that he holds, and at the same time exercising his
first amendment rights. I don't think anyone is going to change his mind.
So what's my point? My point is instead of arguing moot points like 
if homophobe is in the dictionary or if christ actually supported homosexualism.

I guess the purpose of news groups and stuff are for people to be able to       
dicuss subjects, post their differing points of view, and have sane dicussions  sans the buckets full of mud.

So since Mr. Karnes' aint going to change his mind anytime soon, either make a
kill file, or try to have sane discussions. 

The only thing that peeves me about movements are the fact that some 
times the people end up discriminating against people that don't agree with
them and it all ENDS UP IN ONE REALLY BIG BLOOD BATH! (A little humor)           So respect people you don't like, you don't have to like them or their ideas,
but you can still respect them.

I guess this is a bit long winded,
Conrad

ps. Feel free to email me


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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Regrets
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:44:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: fido.jgeb6oc
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <Z3D6iB1w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:

>Fine.. You get queers to write letters and get that silly word
>added..... I've got a few myself. ;)


Clever... First the argument is "homophobia is not a word".  When this
point is lost, he decides that it is because we started a letter writing
campaign.


Come on Daniel, you can do better than this...


FWA
From: 6500cws@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Christopher Wade Skinner)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:26:39 GMT

In article <cN3ViB1w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM ("I am 
not a bigot") spews:writes:

>klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride) writes:

>I always love the way that DICKHEADS who profess 'free speech'
>and 'freedom' and 'I wanna suck whatever organ I wanna suck' -
>always go after a persons job or personal life.

Public forum, public consequences.  If Mr. Stoker doesn't like the
linkage, she sould post from a different machine.  Who are you,
hypocrite, do defend him?  Oh, by the by, I gather from the above
that you don't like "free speech" and "freedom"?  I don't like
bigots.  Personally, I wouldn't buy services from a bigot.  To
bad its a free country, right?

[More bigotry deleted]

>It will go *poof* like all other ridiculous trash has in history.

Actually, what will go *poof* _ultimately_ is your brain.  Try
not to exercise it so much.

>Keep your >SHIT< right where the source of discussion is unless
>you'd like it to be taken elsewhere yourself.

So you can villify people based on their life choices, but when they
start calling you on it, its dirty pool, right?  Say someone who
you were thinking about hiring struck you as "gay", by whatever
random, stupid sterotype you decided to perpetuate.  I'll just
_bet_ you's hire them.

>-djk

cws

Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: flamestats@rotag.mi.org (Alt.flame Statistician)
Subject: First Quarter Stats ?
Organization: Who, me???
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 92 23:54:53 GMT

I've just finished running & verifying the combined alt.flame 
stats for the first quarter of 1992.  Is anyone interested in 
seeing them?  In a way, they're better stats--more informative--
cuz they don't have bad ``boundary effects'' like the monthly 
stats.  A ``boundary effect'' is lik esomeone posting on January 
31 & the replies come in on Febuary 1 so it shows up as 
``Unresponded-to'' in the January stats.  The quarterly stats 
sorta smooth over the ``boundary effects''.

I could email copies or post if there's enough interest.  I
don't really want to show up on the April stats 'tho :).  So 
I'll only post if a bunch of people ask.

			*** KEEP POSTING, DUDES ****
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: elf@polari.com
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:32:48 GMT

In article <cVF7iB6w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:

> elf@polari.com writes:

>>    Hardly, Danny-boy.  I wear a pink triangle... I've got another one
>> on my wallet.  Nonetheless, I'm 'porking a female' almost every night.
>> And I plan on having kids one day.

>Poor woman. :(  

   After having been happily married for seven years (well, six years
and ten months) to someone who's intelligent enough to be on the verge
of gaining her MS in biological oceanography, I think that if she were
unhappy with my choices she would have told me so.

   The fact that she is not shows just how safely, sanely, and
carefully we have gone into our respective friendships, be the sexual
or not, homosexual or not.

   The same cannot be said for you.

>-djk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Elf !!!
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From: djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Regrets
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:11:06 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith) writes:

> This suggests an interesting contest--just how small is the Karnes
> vocabulary? When that becomes boring, just how small is the Karnes
> penis? Could these become useful devices for measurement? One might
> lay claim to a vocabulary of 8 Karnes, a penis of 17 Karnes, and an
> IQ of 106 Karnes, for instance.
> 


You know what we have in common....? The number 36...

My waistline, and your IQ. :)


-djk

--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
--- Djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!Nitro!Djk ----------------------
-- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------
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From: pdj7631@zeus.tamu.edu (Illithid the Mind Flayer)
Newsgroups: alt.sex,alt.flame
Subject: Re: Homophopes/Hetrophobes?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:15:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.sex
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr11.190500.22971@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, rdavis@lonestar.utsa.edu (Roger P. Davis) writes...
> 
>    Would someone tell me -- in 100 words or less -- why homosexuals hate
>hetrosexuals/hetrosexuals hate homosexuals/everyone sexuals seem to hate
>everyone else sexuals?  Remember, 100 words or less.  And the question is
>WHY not HOW MUCH.

Because they're different, and different is frightening to the ignorant and
immature.  BTW, in my experience, most heterosexuals do not hate homosexuals,
and most homosexuals hate only those heterosexuals who hate them first.  Ditto
for us bisexuals.  I don't hate many people at all.  If someone decides to hate
me, I may try to talk to them and defuse the animosity.  Or I may reciprocate.
______
\    /___   Illithid  (Paul D. Jones)    Texas A&M, especially the Corps
 \  /   /                                of Cadets, stands staunchly behind
  \/\  /    PDJ7631@zeus.tamu.edu        each and every one of my opinions.
     \/

Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Subject: Re: Regrets
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:22:27 GMT

In article <04aaJB4w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM>, djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
|>  
|> I am also: alcophobic, heroinophobic, unemploymentphobic, 
|> tobaccophobic, naziphobic, cocainophobic, masturbationwithsandpaper-
|> phobic, and I hate jap cars. :-)
|> 

-phobia (suff); An intense, abnormal, or illogical fear of a specified
thing.  (The American Heritage Dictionary, 1985 Edition)

Good Lord!  You have intense and illogical fears of all these things?
You'd better get some professional help - it sounds like a classic case
of panic disorder.

|> I feel it is in my best interest and that of most others to follow
|> the paths set forth by this list of 'phobias' too.
|> 
|> Back to psych .101 sweetie. ;)

Don't call me sweetie!

|> 
|> -djk
|> 
-- 



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From: djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Regrets
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 16:33:07 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: NMS&Systems Engineering

twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

> Regardless of the "trash" content of any of these words (ach! such a
> word queen you are), they exist in a dictionary, contrary to your
> claims.  A few messages ago you said that "homophobia" was not a
> "real" word because it doesn't exist in a dictionary.  Now that we
> have proven that it does, you're saying, "Well, it's not a real word
> anyway."  Give it up, Danny boy.
> 
> -- 
> ____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges f

My point is that the word 'homophobia' is being used in a political
sense to silence opposition by adding a negative association with
activity against the gay 'platform'.. 

Classic psychopolitical manipulation technology in practice. I see
it as being quite similar to the 'management' techniques that were
used by the USSR and Nazi Germany in their efforts to manipulate
the public opinion towards their goals.

This is an age when it is very politically correct to agree with
anything that any organized group says - as long as it is promoting
something (anything?) and it is quite PC INcorrect to stand against
anything seemingly.

Doing so risks being labeled as 'racist' or 'bigotted' - a few
words that everyone must avoid any association with - right?

There have been a few good examples of civilizations going straight
down the tubes following what is analogous to the PC philosophy.

-djk

--- Daniel J. Karnes / WA6NDT --------------------------------------
--- NMS&Systems Engineering ----------------------------------------
--- Djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM / ..CtEdge!Nitro!Djk ----------------------
-- 'innovative solutions for modern problems' ----------------------
From: kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: This newsgroup has gone to hell!
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:53:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: wkuvx1.1992Apr6.115319.1226
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <h4aH+&_g6@cs.psu.edu>, krobinsn@eriador.endor.cs.psu.edu (Kenneth J Robinson) writes:
> In article <5613@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca> king@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Stephen King) writes:
>>John F. Woods writes: >What in *heaven's name* would PSU do with a library?
>>
>>Kenneth J Robinson writes: >What would any university do with a library? 
>>
>>Oh, then do you keep all those 'Archie' comics in a pile beside the
>>toilet? I suppose this could be useful should you run out of PSU diplomas
> 
> Misinformed, I see. Pattee Library contains a vast amount of information
> within it's walls, as well as the other branches in Davey Lab, Deike,
> McAllister, Hammond, Pollock, and the Annex. I am surrounded with
> information. Lots and lots of information. Lots and lots of it.
> 

Sorry, Ken, but "See Jane Run" doesn't count as valuable information.

-- 
Mark Kinney [KINNEMA@WKUVX1.(BITNET)(WKU.EDU)] | Don't just eat a hamburger,
This has been a test. If this had been an actual emergency, you'd be dead.
Quote of the Week: "Quaker-pop Rice Sparkies and Quaker-pop Wheat Sparkies,
	those delicious, nutritious breakfast cereals shot from guns!"
				-- Negativland, "Guns"
Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: elf@polari.com
Subject: Re: I'm not your man...
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:59:07 GMT

In article <4qk1iB3w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:

>lefty@apple.com (Lefty) writes:

>> Which is the more natural child, Danny-boy?  One conceived by a lesbian
>> mother through the "assistance" of a homosexual male friend, or one
>> adopted by an infertile heterosexual couple?

>Bwahahaha!!! - If that male homosexual is porking that female..
>Then I think it is time for him to turn in his triangle. :-)

   Hardly, Danny-boy.  I wear a pink triangle... I've got another one
on my wallet.  Nonetheless, I'm 'porking a female' almost every night.
And I plan on having kids one day.

>> Lefty (lefty@apple.com)

   Nice to have you back, Lefty, if you're the same lefty as last year.

      Elf !!!

Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: krobinsn@bree.endor.cs.psu.edu (Kenneth J Robinson)
Subject: Re: Declaration of War on PSU
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:00:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.115245.1238@wkuvx1.bitnet> kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos) writes:
>What is it with you Preschool State people (for their benifit, I'll tell them
>who they are: Ken Robinson, information gatherer-wannabe, and his faithful
>puppet Doctor Dildo; woulnd't want to confuse them!) ?
>
>I know you're out there... 

I'm right here, where I should be.

>Oh, I see. You can't handle being the target of *real* flames, something you're
>not used to since you can't create them yourselves. So you start ignoring
>anyone who's obviously outflamed you recently, and then showing up again weeks
>later to claim a victory you weren't even in the race for to begin with.

Mark, your pathetic attempts you call "flames" have been ignored by
me, simply because they don't deserve a response. Do you expect me to 
followup to every misinformed post you spew forth?? Mark, I haven't
been outflamed, and I don't claim victories, for people who do, simply,
lack a life.

K e n   R o b i n s o n