From: fafhrd@clubzen.fidonet.org (Fafhrd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: This has gotta stop (was Re: AnimeWhateverCon '93)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 13:37:39 PST
Organization: Club Zen BBS - Fidonet/Internet - +1 408 734 2289

jkim@jingoro.Eng.Sun.COM (Jun Kim) writes:

> In article <kDa0NB6w165w@clubzen.fidonet.org> fafhrd@clubzen.fidonet.org (Faf
> >
> 
> [included article about one con deleted]
> 
> >Ryan, I have asked Mike to speak to me on this very subject on-line, and 
> >he has stated that he plans to ignore all of my posts (including, 
> >presumably, this one....). I am ready to resolve this. I would much 
> >rather deal with running a great con for the fans, than the 
> >fan-politics-b*llshit. 
> >
> 
> I just have to wonder about this "the ball is in your court now, Mike" attitu
> displayed here.  Aren't you just graciously offering Mike the honor to 
> dissolve AnimeExpo and fall in-line with AnimeCon?  Is there more to this
> than what you're telling?  If you were willing to give more than just
> what you want as an alternative, maybe a resolution _could_ be reached.
> I don't see why Mike has to answer to nicely costumed ultimatums.
> 
> And frankly, (and this is because I don't know you), I have no reason to
> believe that your main motivation is for anime fans best interest.  Clues
> to back this up include the July 4th weekend decision, among other stuff
> previous posters have mentioned.  This is after all your "I have nothing
> against [insert name]" phrases you've been stating, which is all fine
> and dandy, but as for me, actions usually are a more clear sign of one's
> intentions.  Calling Mike someone who "works behind the scenes" with subtle
> implication that he deals in an unglamorous fashion, is not a harmless 
> statement about someone whom one has "nothing against".  Again, I feel like
> certain people think that by just saying phrases like "I have nothing
> against you"  they can say anything and that it'll be ok.  I'm going
> to say this again:  stop treating us like fools.  If you have nothing
> against these people, you and I both know you can act very differently.
> 
> If you are unwilling to consider the option of no AnimeCon for the sake
> of AnimeExpo, I do not see why anyone in their right mind should have
> to consider no AnimeExpo for the sake of AnimeCon.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Jun Kim                                    jkim@jingoro.Eng.Sun.Com
> Sun Microsystems           "It's amazing that that tiny little brain of his 
> Mountain View, CA           can generate enough energy to keep his legs movin

Jun - 

First of all, that you are willing to ascribe base motives to me simply 
because you don't know me makes me less than inclined to beleive that you 
will listen to anything I have to say, but i will attempt to do so 
anyway.

As for the subject of Mike Tatsugawa: when I report the actions he has 
taken, or commented on his own statements on-line, I cannot help the 
implications. When HE states that he will ignore my messages, what the 
HELL do you expect me to say about it in a positive manner? When he and I 
make an agreement IN FRONT OF WITNESSES to remain silent about the cons 
until we've had a chance to come to a modus vivendi, and he breaks it, 
WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ME TO DO? Ignore it, and hope it'll go away? 

I hardly think that the assembled on-line anime fandom are idiots. 
However, what YOU read into things are not necessarily what I mean. You 
can over-analyze things, y'know.

There are a lot of things which are bot TRUE and INFLAMMITORY which I 
have refrained from commenting on (and which I'm not about to start on 
here....). I do NOT wish to start slamming Mike, and I do not have any 
personal animosity towards him, but, IMO, he is making a huge mistake, 
and has several major mis-conceptions about situation. As I have stated 
before on-line, I want very much to talk with Mike about reconciliation 
on-line, and in public, with people checking our statements and 
motivations along the way. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE (of course, the cynics 
in the audience are about to say "ah hah! Implying that MT DOES have 
something to hide, and Dave is SLAMMING Mike by implying such". Which 
illustrates my point about people reading too much into things)!

Obviously, I think that my nascent orginazation can run a better anime 
convention that Mike's can. I have the majority of senior staff from 
Animecon '91 and Anime Expo '92 in my court,and after the September staff 
meeting, I will post the staff list here. If I thought that MT's org 
could run a better con, I would fold my tent and join him. It's that 
simple.

Regards,

David Medinnus

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