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From: shantanu@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly)
Subject: Re: Could someone kindly answer a newbie's question?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:12:19 GMT

In article <1ispmsINNtuc@ub.d.umn.edu> serickso@ub.d.umn.edu (Scott Erickson) writes:
>
>Previously David.White@launchpad.unc.edu (David White) wrote: 

[deleted question]

>>
>>- What's the deal with StuffIt and Compact Pro?  Are they just 2 rival,
>>incompatible file compressing programs?  Will either one decompress the other?
>Stuffit does not decompress Compact Pro.  I do not know if Compact Pro
>decompresses Stuffit files.
>
>>- What's the deal with BinHex?  Why are most uploaded programs in .HQX
>>format if it makes the file BIGGER?
>BinHex converts a binary file to a text file.  It seems that many programs
>can only handle text files.  Programs like elm, trn, etc do not like binary
>files.  So BinHex converts the binary file to an ASCII file.  The reason it
>is bigger is (I could be wrong) that binary files use the full 8 bits whereas
>ASCII only uses 7 out of the 8 bits.  So more bytes are needed to represent
>the file.

Well, BinHex, uuencode and other similar programs map the entire set of
ascii characters to a set of printable characters. Since the second set is
smaller, combinations of printable characters may be used to represent an
unprintable ascii character. For example, \ & / may be used to denote control
and escape characters respectively : 

control-m : \m, control-M : \M, escape-m : /m and escape-M : /M

and \\ and // would represent \ and /.

If a file had r, c and e regular, control and escape characters respectively,
the unencoded size and encoded size with the above scheme would be
r + c + e and r + 2c + 2e respectively (if we treat \ and / as non-regular).

----------
Shantanu Ganguly
Somerset (Motorola)

phone : (512) 795-7146                  Motorola Inc, Mail Drop OE 513
fax   : (512) 795-7513                  6501 William Cannon Drive W.
                                        Austin TX 78735-8598
email : shantanu%ibmoto.com@oakhill.sps.mot.com
From: bmh@siemens.com. (Beatrice M Hwong)
Subject: Re: StyleWriter Cartridges
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:31:58 GMT

Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:

>Apple* StyleWriter cartridges cost me about $25 a piece here in
>Taiwan. I eat these things up like hot biscuits with butter, which
>amounts to a tidy sum over a year. I am not keen on refilling used
>cartridges but would like to be able to buy them at a better price
>(perhaps in bulk). So, (1) Who presently offers the best deal (i.e,
>best quality at the lowest price) on such cartridges? (2) What's their
>fax number?

>
Thanks,

Contact dgr technologies of Austin, TX. 800-235-9748.  Costs about
$20 for 2 cartridges, including shipping cost.  I've been happy with
the cartridges.  They even have colors.

------------------------------

End of Info-Mac Digest
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From: mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.announce,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: CTB Basic Conn Set 1.1.1 on ftp.apple.com
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:57:28 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.announce
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

The Communications Toolbox Basic Connectivity Set v1.1.1 is now available on
ftp.apple.com [130.43.2.3] in /ftp/dts/mac/sys.soft/netcomm/

Bug fixes and features
======================
 
Here are the features of the new software on the disk
 
XMODEM Tool 1.1
===============
 
XMODEM Tool 1.1 has been improved over ther XMODEM Tool 1.0.2 in the following
ways:
 
Improved reliability -- XMODEM Tool 1.1 is less susceptible to protocol
violations, line-noise, and corrupted bytes.
 
Performance increase of up to 400%.
 
There were a few cases when sending with the XMODEM Tool 1.0.2 where it would
not wait correctly for the receiver to acknowledge successful receipt of a
block. XMODEM Tool 1.1 fixes this problem.
 
Some improvements for System 7, including support for creating a new folder
when saving a downloaded file using Straight XMODEM or XMODEM Text transfers.
 
With XMODEM Tool 1.0.2, a dialog claiming that there wasn't enough disk space
to receive a file would appear when receiving with the MacBinary method if the
actual data received wasn't MacBinary. Now when non-MacBinary data arrives, the
transfer switches to Straight XMODEM.
 
 
Serial Tool 1.0.2
=================
 
When using the Serial Port Arbitrator included with AppleTalk Remote Access,
the Serial Tool 1.0.1 would inform the user that the selected serial port was
in use, even when no other service was using the port. From that dialog,
holding down the Option key was the only way to allow the user to override the
"busy port" message.
 
The Serial Tool 1.0.2 properly allows the user access to the serial port when
the Serial Port Arbitrator is installed and the serial port is not in use by
another service.
-- 
Mark B. Johnson                                            AppleLink: mjohnson
Developer Technical Support                         domain: mjohnson@Apple.com
Apple Computer, Inc.         UUCP:  {amdahl,decwrl,sun,unisoft}!apple!mjohnson

"You gave your life to become the person you are right now.  Was it worth it?"
                                                         - Richard Bach, _One_
From: cranch@novell.com (Christopher Ranch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP Address Trouble
Date: 6 Jan 93 02:31:22 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

In article <1993Jan6.020125.197@chpc.org> dnh@chpc.org (Dave Horsey) writes:
>
>	It appears that MacTCP cannot deal with the first network
>number of each Class - A, B, C.  That is, it will not initialize if
>the network number is 0, 128.0, or 192.0.0.  The first one makes some
>sense to me, rather, I wouldn't expect it to be a viable number, but
>why the second two don't work, I have no clue.  There is a network on
>which I am installing the first Mac with MacTCP, and they happen to
>use 128.0 as their number -- they are not connected to the internet.
>	Does anyone understand this quirk of MacTCP?  None of the UNIX
>machines have a problem 128.0.  Perhaps that is luck, and there is a
>general rule to avoid these addresses, and the people who set up that
>network with 128.0 just didn't know any better?
>
>						Thanks,
>						Dave Horsey
>						dnh@chpc.org
>
>
>Disclaimer: it's not CHPC's network that's screwed up.

	I've run into this one before.  According to RFC1122, the first
	number is reserved.  MacTCP enforces that.  RFC1122 came out well
	after BSD, and BSD is not 1122 compliant.  The fix is to change
	network not to use 128.0, but something legal.  Good luck.

	Chris
---
Chris Ranch
Internetworking Products Division
Novell, Inc.  San Jose, CA
(408)473-8667  cranch@novell.com
I may work for Novell, but I don't speak for them...
From: 7723simonsen@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Macintercomm questions
Date: 7 Jan 1993 07:12:04 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 7723simonsen@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

I am interested in hearing from MacIntercomm users as to:
1)How do you set the initialization string?
2)How do you get the CR/LF's automatically stripped from text
  files during downloading, like Zterm can do?
3)Is scripting available yet?
4)Why does data entry seem tbe slower than Zterm?

Thanks
Rex Simonsen
From: doner@Aero.org (John Doner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Smartcom II offer ?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 01:17:31 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: armadillo.aero.org

In article <6610.2b458388@hayes.com>, bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
|> 
|> > and most of those 1000 have at least the option to size
|> > their screen differently.  
|> 
|> I take odds at the term "most" here. I've been using communications with a
|> VT102 for years. I've rarely run into any more than a handful of people
|> running more than 24 lines. Obviously, from responses here and in mail,
|> there are at least SOME people who have that option. 

I'll bet a lot of those people don't KNOW they can get more than 24 lines.  
For example, many of my colleagues at UCSB use NCSA Telnet, and they were
all limited to 24 lines until I explained how to get more (there's a menu
command for number of lines, but it didn't seem to work; they didn't know that
the host also needed to be told the window size).

|> Part of the challenge in creating simple, easy to use communications software is
|> to MINIMIZE the number of user-configurable settings. Since communications

Au contraire.  One of the attractive features of the Macintosh, for example,
was that it allowed MORE user customization than earlier pc's.  I think the
correct goal is to have plenty of user-configurable settings, but with very
unobtrusive means for making those settings.  There are numerous communications
parameters which have to be set, course.  Most users want to remain as ignorant as
possible about what these parameters are and why they have to be set.  I am
impressed with they way in which hardware and software designers have been able
to automate much of this; for example, my modem automatically sets up the
best connection it can can including error correction and data compression.
I don't even have to know that these things are going on.  Users are concerned
with the things they have to deal with directly, and want customization
for those things, like window size.  The act of performing those customizaitons
must be simple and intuitive, and not required---the default should be o.k.
Technical parameters should get handled automatically.  (I know, there are
practical limits, but that's the goal.)  
that these things are going on.


John Doner
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: povlphp@uts.uni-c.dk (Povl H. Pedersen)
Subject: Re: Maclayers like comms. package but with zmodem download?
Organization: UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:03:04 GMT

In <sharad.726276727@mamura> sharad@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Sharad) writes:

>I was wondering whether there was a program like maclayers but which also
>alowed for zmodem downloading. ..... preferably available via ftp.

The UNIX zmodem program is called sz and rz (send and receive).
User archie to look for zmodem, and you will find a site near you
which has it.  Some places stores it as szrz others as zmodem
-- 
Povl H. Pedersen   -   Macintosh specialist. Knows some DOS and UNIX too.
pope@imv.aau.dk    -   povlphp@uts.uni-c.dk
From: Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Vendors & Usenet (was Re: VersaTerm)
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:36:21 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Harvard University Office for Information Technology

In article <1993Jan9.015552.6282@mtxinu.COM>, larrym@mtxinu.COM (Larry
Meyer) wrote:

> If you feel you must mention your product, you should mention your
> competitors as well, in a non-judgemental fashion.

Gee, I haven't been here for a while, but always remember Kurt's postings
to be quite fair and non-judgemental with respect to commercial
competitors.  My only observation has been that sometimes the existence and
quality of the *free* stuff is not acknowledged properly....

Conrad C. Nobili  N1LPM  Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU  Harvard University OIT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: LB.NKA@isumvs.iastate.edu (Nubi Achebo)
Subject: Mac LAN
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:40:51 GMT

I would like to hear from LAN administrators who have successfully networked
CD-ROMs for macintosh computers. I will be assuming a new job next month and
would be required to network a couple of CD-ROMs for remote and in-house
accesss by a number of research fellows.  I want to get the basics.  The work
place is already networked (VAX/UNIX/MAC/DOS) the task will be mounting the
CD-ROM server on the network to be shared.  Are any materials available for
the novice.  I will appreciate recommendations and comments.  Please send
e-mail.

lb.nka@isumvs.bitnet
lb.nka@isumvs.iastate.edu


Nubi Achebo.
From: kevinh@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: FTP SITES
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:37:26 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University

Could some one out there e-mail me some stp sites and info on how to use them
like how to find files and how to download even how to logon thanks for your
help
  kevin hoogheem
From: <eric@cse.ucsc.edu> (Eric C. Rosen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Frequently Asked Questions Changes
Supersedes: <changes_723889654@darkstar.ucsc.edu>
Followup-To: poster
Date: 10 Jan 1993 18:55:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
Distribution: world
Expires: 14 Feb 1993 18:57:11 GMT
Reply-To: eric@cse.ucsc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak.ucsc.edu
Summary: List of changes to the c.s.m.c FAQ since last posting.
Keywords: FAQ
Originator: eric@oak

The comp.sys.mac.comm FAQ has been updated to reflect the following changes
since it was last posted:

*   Updated [2.3], [2.5] to reflect Stuffit Expander's capabilities.
    Also updated [2.5] to reflect new translators distributed with Stuffit
    Deluxe 3.0.3 (update).
*   Updated answers [3.1] (including tables), [3.4], [5.3],
    and [5.4] to reflect products from Advanced Software Products.
*   Updated [3.4] to reflect availability of Tim Endres' free TGE TCP/Telnet
    tool for the Communication Toolbox.
*   Added a pointer in [3.5] to suntar for use with 1.44 MB Unix tar floppies
    as another possible way of exchanging data between Macintosh and Unix 
    systems.
*   Expanded the guidelines in [3.6] for posting Macintosh programs to
    to make it easier for both the poster and the archive maintainers.
*   Updated [5.4] to reflect new version of Fetch.
*   Updated [5.5] to indicate that MacPPP, a PPP extension to MacTCP, has
    been released.
*   Updated Appendix entry for FTP site src.doc.ic.ac.uk to reflect directory
    change.
*   Updated Dave Alverson's (ZTerm author's) e-mail address
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: Re: MacTCP/Domain Name server question
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:36:58 GMT

In article <hammett.726416578@sbsu1.aukuni.ac.nz>,
hammett@sbsu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Tim Hammett) wrote:
> aukuni.ac.nz.   and
> aukuni.ac.nz
> 
> Where is it appropriate to use each form of notation & where is it not
> appropriate?

The trailing dot is almost never necessary.  This whole thing is best
explained with an example.

Suppose I have this in my MacTCP domain name server info:

cso.uiuc.edu  128.175.5.58  *
.             128.174.5.58
.             128.174.5.50
.             128.174.2.3

And further suppose I have this in my Hosts file:

ftp        A   128.174.5.59   ; this is really ftp.cso.uiuc.edu
apple      A   130.43.2.3     ; this is really ftp.apple.com
mac.umich  A   141.211.165.41 ; this is really mac.archive.umich.edu

The following table shows what MacTCP will do when I type the following
names:

I Type:             MacTCP Thinks I Mean:     And It Gets the Address:

ftp                 ftp.cso.uiuc.edu          From the DNS
ftp.                ftp                       From the Hosts file
apple               apple.cso.uiuc.edu        **ERROR**
apple.              apple                     From the Hosts file
mac.umich           mac.umich                 From the Hosts file
ux1                 ux1.cso.uiuc.edu          From the DNS
ux1.                ux1                       **ERROR**

MacTCP appends your default domain to any name that doesn't have a dot in
it.  So the only time you need the trailing dot is when you are trying to
use a one-domain name that is listed in your Hosts file and that should not
be looked up in the DNS with your default domain appended to it.  (Like
"apple" above.)  

Please note that this advice applies to MacTCP *only*.  Don't expect your
friendly neighborhood UNIX machine to work this way.
--
Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: pw4963@sarah.albany.edu (Peter G. White)
Subject: Modem for pb100
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 00:06:16 GMT

I would like a recomendation for a decent 14.4 modem other that the global
village(too expensive) that works well with the pb100.

-Peter

_______________________________________________________________________________
Peter White                                Internet:pw4963@uacsc1.albany.edu
State Univ. of New York at Albany          Bitnet:pw4963@albnyvms
_______________________________________________________________________________


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: wellsj@orph14.phy.ornl.gov (Jack C. Wells)
Subject: Zterm,  Fetch
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:23:28 GMT

Hello,
I've read in a few newsgroups about some
good shareware called Zterm and Fetch.
Whould some kind person please inform me
as to what these two programs do, and
where I may locate them?  
Thanks,  Jack Wells


Oak Ridge National Lab
wellsj@orph14.phy.ornl.gov
Voice: (615) 576-5229
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From: cummings@natinst.com (Rodney Cummings)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: UUCP on a Mac BBS
Date: 12 Jan 1993 09:05:46 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: falcon.natinst.com
Keywords: UUCP Usenet BBS

I'm trying to set up a BBS on my IIsi at home, and I wanted it to have
Internet e-mail and Usenet capabilities by way of UUCP.  I've already 
found a good UUCP neighbor to use, so now I'm looking into the software
on the Mac end.  

I've already looked into UUPC and uAccess, but they don't offer BBS
capabilities.  Are there good BBS packages that I can integrate with
these... or better yet... is there a single software package that offers
what I'm looking for?

Any help at all is appreciated,
-- 
     Rodney Cummings            cummings@natinst.com
     National Instruments       Austin, Texas
From: dr3f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas E. Roesch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Chooser not working
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:31:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ofGpqY600iVgQ2eWsK
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

We're operating a lab containing about two dozen Macs networked together
using LocalTalk.  The network contains a server and printer as well.  On
some of the machines (about five), when you open the chooser and click
on the server or printer icons, nothing happens.  The machines behave as
if they were disconnected.  The other machines work normally.  Does
anyone know what might be causing this (other than obvious errors like
not plugging in the cable)?  The machines are all running system 6.0.7
or 6.0.8.
 
Thanks.


----------
Douglas Roesch, Research Programmer
345B Baker Hall, Carnegie-Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA   15213
douglas.roesch@cmu.edu
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: IBM's phone into appletalk?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:48:06 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1993Jan10.213547.1@cstp.umkc.edu> kmoffatt@cstp.umkc.edu writes:
>I've read the FAQ files looking for an answer to my question, because it
sounds
>like it may be FA'ed. . .but couldn't find it.  Is it possible to have an IBM
>compatible phone in to an appletalk network?  I suppose the fact that it isn't
>Frequently asked probably means everyone else knows it can't be done?  I'd be
>happy for an answer!

I don't know the answer, but it's something I'm looking into at the moment.
Shiva has some software that seems to permit this if you're using a NetModem/E
or a LanRover/E. Unhappily, I have neither of these devices - I'm trying to
find someone around here who does. You can get the software at shiva.com.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: md@kanaha.Idbsu.EDU (Martin Dougherty)
Subject: ********
Organization: Boise State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:18:57 GMT

--
Martin Dougherty

Depatment of Geosciences
Boise State University
Boise, Idaho  83725

md@kanaha.idbsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
Followup-To: 
From: md@kanaha.idbsu.edu (Martin Dougherty)
Reply-To: md@kanaha.idbsu.edu (Martin Dougherty)
Organization: CGISS
Subject: lpr for Mac
Keywords: 
Does anyone know of a version of lpr for the mac.  I have looked at
the FAQ sheet and it talks about using macps to print from mac to
Unix.  I would like to avoid the interim step of ftp'ing (or otherwise
copying by hand) from mac to Unix and then using lp or lpr on the
unix machine.  

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  




--
Martin Dougherty

Depatment of Geosciences
Boise State University
Boise, Idaho  83725

md@kanaha.idbsu.edu
From: Treble@asc.slb.com (John Treble)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Ethernet card...
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 6 Jan 1993 16:58:43 GMT
Organization: ASC-Austin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: asc438.asc.slb.com

In article <1993Jan7.024928.25018@cc.umontreal.ca>,
soubyran@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Soubyran Richard) wrote:

> Is there, on the market somewhere, an Ethernet card that would fit
> in a Mac SE/30 AND in a Mac IIci? 

I don't think the IIci has a PDS slot like the SE/30.  Why don't you look
into one of those SCSI-to-Ehternet boxes for a couple hundred buck?  It
just might do what you need (and it's much easier to move between machines
than a card.) Check the MacUser, MacWorld, or MacWEEK ads for just such a
critter.
For example, Club Mac sells an Asante SCSI/Ethernet box
(Thick/thin/10BaseT) with SCSI cable for $299. Other brands and prices are
available.

treble@asc.slb.com "My humble, but accurate, opinion does not necessarily
reflect that of my employer. I get full credit for my insightful and witty
comments!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: veizades@apple.com (John Veizades)
Subject: Re: (Q) Looking for TCP/IP Ping Program?
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:00:58 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm

In article <C0JEDG.8pI@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu>, bobley@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu
(Brett Bobley) wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a shareware/freeware "Ping" 
> program for the Mac?  I am running MACTCP and I'd like to
> be able to have a way to "Ping" an IP address to see if
> I am able to reach it.
> 
At ftp.apple.com in the directory /dts/mac/netcomm the file
mactcp-1-1-example.hqx contains the MPing application which is a ping
application for use with MacTCP 1.1 and later.

John Veizades...
MacTCP Lead engineer
Apple Computer, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: gil@snow-white (Gil Dawson 4-7755)
Subject: Re: Appletalk to Ethernet
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:42:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.045311.1043179@zeus.calpoly.edu> gluna@zeus.calpoly.edu (George Luna) writes:
>I want to hook a Mac to a Novell network of PCs. The PC network
>is using Ethernet. Is there a card I can buy for my Mac that 
>will allow it to talk to Ethernet, or is there
>a box that will convert from Appletalk to Ethernet?

I use both.  An Apple EtherTalk card connects to the LAN with the
PCs, and my LocalTalk network includes a "Gator Box" which
translates to the Ethernet.  I choose which via a control panel.

I use LocalTalk mostly, because we're using EtherTalk 1.2 here,
and my RemoteAccess application wants 2.0.  All other applications
seem not to care.  EtherTalk is a little faster for large file
transfers, but offers no other advantage.

Gil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm