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Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany
Date: Wednesday, 19 Aug 1992 11:46:52 MES
From: Julian F. Reschke <RESCHKE@DMSWWU1A.UNI-MUENSTER.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: New operating systems (OS/2-TOS)

In article <1992Aug18.191802.22099@sactoh0.sac.ca.us>, mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us
(Mark Newton-John) says:
>
>If there is a grand future for Atari, I have a few comments on
>future operating systems.
>
>Seeing that the basic GEM interface and TOS has been relative
>unchanged from the original 1985 version, and seeing the operating
>system for the IBM machines evolve to OS/2, what is in store for
>TOS?

Preemptive multitasking with MultiTOS (and existing (!) GEM applications).

>
>I have seen what OS/2 can do, and compared to TOS, it seems to me
>that Atari is being left behind. Real multitasking through the OS,
>not through a program, drag and drop, being able to configure
>almost anything tthe user desires, and being a 32-bit operating
>system.

Drag & Drop is there since there are alternative desktops (and, of course,
Atari's own new desktop in TOS 2.x and 3.x).

>
>How does the current TT TOS (3.0??) compare? Is it a 32-bit
>operating system, or is it still tied to a 16-bit path?

TOS *ALWAYS* has been as 32 bit operating system (this means: TOS
always used a flat 32 bit memory model).

>
>What is the fastest Motorola processor?

68040/33 Mhz. Seems to be comparable to a Sparc chip.

>
>What about the Motorola 88000? Is it faster, better, compatible?

Perhaps faster, but not compatible.

>
>Or will Atari start to make Intel machines? My feelings is why not.
>There is the ST market and the larger (in the US) IBM market. If
>Dell, Wang, and the others are making (??) money, Atari should be
>in there to capture some of the market. After all, Atari still
>makes the 2600 because there are people STILL buying them, so why
>not havev Atari expand their ABC systems to make the incremental
>sales.

I doubt that they can earn lots of money there. They would have to
compete with low cost vendors, which is virtually impossible.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila)
Subject: Re: Atari
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:54:55 GMT

baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer) writes:

>	I believe it is Cyrix that makes the chip, and that chip is (I believe)
>32-bits wide.  It gets upwards of the speed of the 486sx (which is 32-bits) and
>I can't imagine it performing that well on a 16bit bus.  But you are right, its
>supposed to be pin compatible with the 386 (not sx).

	Nope, I just checked this out.  The 486SLC drops right in to a
386SX slot!

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From: cable@crs.cl.msu.edu (Dan Cable)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Quickie FAX software sought
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:31:36 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen) writes:


>    Do you (or anybody) know Joppa Software's fax number ?
>It would be most helpful in trying to contact the company from around here.
>Thanks in a dvance ! :)

Sure, Their fax number is (717) 428-0424. Also, I received e-mail informing me 
that there is also a program called QFax Pro which is supposed to be able to 
do background operations. I didn't get any more info on this program but I 
will post it when I do.

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From: thiele@quando.quantum.de (Holger Thiele)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MiNT and Minit
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:24:39 GMT
Organization: Quantum Software GmbH, Dortmund, Germany



  Hello everybody,

  I have some questions about MiNT, the program `minit` and minix-
  compatible filesystems.
  I am using a MEGA ST (4MB), mint v0.95 and the init package. Now I
  want to install a filesystem under MiNT, which uses file permissions.
  There is a program named `minit`, which initialisize a minix-compa-
  tible filesystem. Sorry, but I don`t have any documentation, so
  I will be very happy if there is someone who can answer some questions:
  - what is minit? Is it `only` a driver, or can it transform a normal
    partition into a minix-filesystem? Can one use this filesystem
    under MiNT without any problems? How can I install such a
    file system????
  - how does minit works? Are there any parameters neccessary?

  I hope someone can help me a bit!



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.8bit
From: gfarrell@fraser.sfu.ca (Gordon James Farrell)
Subject: Re: RFD:comp.sys.atari.znet
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:27:16 GMT

In article <68okPB1w164w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
> 
> Thanks for your input John, maybe you would like to post this in 
>news.groups with the rest of the discussion.
>
>regards

What discussion?  I've been checking news.groups for a couple of weeks, now
and haven't seen a single article about comp.sys.atari.znet!

Am I the only one missing this discussion?

Gordon
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>
> Jon Clarke               (Z*NET FNET now in FIDO)                HSBC NZM EBD
> GEnie: J.CLARKE6          FIDONET: 3/772:105      TheNets: jonc@status.gen.nz
> T h e    Z * N E T    G l o b a l   N e w s   G a t e w a y    i n    N Z L .
From: ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: MiNT and Minit
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:19:57 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium, London

In article <1992Aug20.132439.25793@quando.quantum.de> thiele@quando.quantum.de (Holger Thiele) writes:
>
>
>  Hello everybody,
>
>  I have some questions about MiNT, the program `minit` and minix-
>  compatible filesystems.
>  I am using a MEGA ST (4MB), mint v0.95 and the init package. Now I
>  want to install a filesystem under MiNT, which uses file permissions.
>  There is a program named `minit`, which initialisize a minix-compa-
>  tible filesystem. Sorry, but I don`t have any documentation, so
>  I will be very happy if there is someone who can answer some questions:
>  - what is minit? Is it `only` a driver, or can it transform a normal
>    partition into a minix-filesystem? Can one use this filesystem
>    under MiNT without any problems? How can I install such a
>    file system????

Minit initialised a partition on your hard disk, or a floppy disk to either
Minix V.1 or Minix V.2 filesystems. It is not a driver, minix.xfs is the
driver which should be put in the same directory as MiNT so that it will be
found at boot time.

>  - how does minit works? Are there any parameters neccessary?

I can't remember, it's been such a long time since I used it. I suggest that
you get the latest version of minixfs from atari.archive, I believe it has
docs. You should find it in atari/mint.

>
>  I hope someone can help me a bit!
>
>
>
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Steve
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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Resolution, Audio Sampling
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:17:29 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer) writes:

>warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:

>>[SC1224] doesn't
>>HAVE 480 scanlines to use!  The VGA/MultiSync monitors will not experience
>>the flicker - just as they don't on the Amiga.

>	Hold on there partner - maybe you forgot just how that interlaced 
>stuff works - you scan the picture, skipping every other line of the output
>video, and then fill it in on the next Vblank of the monitor.

Well if they don't support 480 scanlines non-interlaced on a monitor that
can handle it, then it's useless.  I doubt that would be the case.  I think
the interlaced mode will just be so that poor old SC1224's (like mine) can
at least get SOMETHING out of the 480-line modes.  My bet is it works just
as on the Amiga - interlaced for cheapo monitors, non-interlaced for multi's.

>	the part of supporting the SC1224 was a _good_ idea.  After
>all, remember - who will be a big portion of Falcon buyers?

Yes, let's face it.  Atari has done The Right Thing.  I was discussing with a
fellow the merits of excluding TT-High and creating a super-set of TT-Low
and TT-Medium in the 640x480x256col mode.  I think it is right on the mark.
They have to keep the costs down.  And I think they have.


>>Question:  will 1280x480 interlaced be possible with a MultiSync?

>	I doubt it.  Since it looks like you are looking at a 640 max (monitor)

Oops, doubled the wrong figure... I meant "640x960"...  too much bubbly-black-
american-culture that day.


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From: dvasilef@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Vasileff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: I'd like info about blitter/upgrading
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:38:02 GMT
Organization: Indiana University


	I have an ancient 1040STF.  It dates back to 1986, and I have
not made any upgrades or hardware modifications.  I am considering
upgrading my 1040 or getting a Mega STe.  However, I'm not really sure
what I should get to upgrade in order to compare the price of upgrading
or a Mega.  Is the blitter chip very useful?  Do many programs utilize
it?  Currently, I use telecommunication, spreadsheet, word processing,
and light dtp applications.  If the blitter is useful, can I even put
one in my 1040?  And where could I buy one? Could I install it myself?
(meaning little or no soldering)  How much would it cost?  Would an
AdSpeed ST be more effective than a blitter.  (In all likelihood, I'd
get a Mega STe before putting an AdSpeed in the 1040, but I'm just
curious about how and what these things do).

	Feel free to email me any tips, suggestions, or advice you think
might pertain to my situation.  I also plan on upgrading to 2.5M RAM and
installing a newer version of TOS.  Someday I hope to get a hard disk,
but I don't know if I can afford it at this time.  Maybe it would it be 
better to just get the Mega w/HD all at once?  Thanks, any help will be
appreciated.

David

My internet address is dvasilef@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:12488 misc.forsale.computers:30234
From: rsl@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Russell S. Laderer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Sale of Atari Equipment
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:44:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab

I have the following for sale:

Atari 1040ST
Atari Color Monitor
I.B. 5-1/4" external drive
RACAL 1200 bps modem

Various Software Titles (including):

PCDitto (original)
WordWriter ST
Dungeon Master
Pirates
some AD&D adventures

plus more.

If you are interested, make me an offer.

Scott Laderer
From: pinelr@aix.rpi.edu (Rob Pinelli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Does it exist???
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:34:17 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY


   Hi.  I was wondering if there was a program out there, whether in PD or
(more likely) commercially that is similar to the IBM program AUTOMAP.
AUTOMAP, for those of you who don't know, is a program which basically
plots out the best routes to take on US roads between any two given points.
If there is anything remotely like this for the ST platform, I would love
to get it.  Email or post if anybody knows if such a beast exists!  Thanks!


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From: heidelj@alleg.edu (Jason Heideloff)
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 <-> 386 40 Mhz
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:46:21 GMT

In article <4515WEN@zelator.in-berlin.de> leo@zelator.in-berlin.de (Stefan  
Hartmann) writes:
> 
> Subject: Re: New specs of Atari Falcon (500 Pounds)
> 
> In <1992Aug13.173628.26085@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu  
(Jeff Young) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> I have personnaly seen such a Falcon 030 running and I'm not so exited
> !
> Okay, the DSP might be interesting for some applications, but the
> other features are not so exiting.
> 
> He is not as fast as a compared 386-40 Mhz which you can buy nowadays
> for the same price.
> 
> The Atari Falcon is running only a 68030 at slow 16 Mhz !
> 
> Seems they did get the last charge from Motorola very cheapo !
> 
> And all the video titling you can get today with a Genoa Genlock board
> for the PC for about 400 US$ which comes with free video titler and
> you are ready to go !
> 
> For the Atari you still also need a Genlock box, which will be also
> not very cheap !(and a program !)
> 
> 
> Also I have now a 24 bits graphics board at 640x480 which is still a
> difference to 32K colors, which the Atari does only !
> I would never like to go back to only Hicolor instead of True Color !
> 
> So Atarri, you should hurry and get the 68040 out, cause otherwise, who
> will buy such a machine, when there is no software to support it ?
> 
> Today only the software counts. You can have a very good hardware, but
> when there are no programs for this machine, nobody will buy it !
> 
> Same was true with the Archimedes from Arcon, Uk over here in Germany.
> 
> It had a better hardware than all the STs and Amigas, but it was not
> supported well enough over here, so only a few were selled !
> 
> So I don't think that many people will buy the Falcon 030.
> 
> Also the Falcon 040 will have a hard time, when there is the new P5
> Intel Chip coming out this chrismas. I gonna buy then a 586
> motherboard !

That is exactly my point!!!

Jason Heideloff
heidelj@alleg.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI)
Subject: Re: SuperBoot & FontGDOS
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 18:21:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.173242.28884@u.washington.edu> dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward) writes:
>Does anyone know where I can FTP the latest version of SuperBoot?  I think
>7.2 is it...  It doesn't seem to be on atari.archive.umich.edu...
>
I use 7.4... if it's not up there... I'll see about putting it there!

jc
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Subject: Re: Atari
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 22:38:23 GMT


In a previous article, heidelj@alleg.edu (Jason Heideloff) says:

>> Sure it does.  Remember that the Falcon is trying to hit an under $1000
>> price point.  Motorola 68040s are _well_ over $200 in quantity, whereas
>> 68030s are below $100 (from what I've seen).  So if Atari wants to make
>> a higher-end version of the Falcon based on a 68040, they can sell it
>> for over $1000.  But, they're trying to sell to a home audience, rather
>> than the pricey NeXT audience (ever try to buy a NeXT machine for under
>> $1000?).  I'm certain not every Mac buyer is buying a Quadra right now
>> due to the high cost of those 68040-based machines.
>> 
>> --
>> Paul Dorweiler
>> Hewlett-Packard Company
>> Fort Collins, CO
>> email: pjd@hpespjd.fc.hp.com
>> AT&T: (303) 229-6030
>
>But that is another good point to bring up.  Why does Atari always seem to  
>try and produce things so that they are cheaply priced?  I think that  
>people are turned off by lowly priced computers, especially from Atari  
>anyway.  I don't think the Power Without The Price motto can survive much  
>longer.
>
>Jason Heideloff
>heidelj@alleg.edu
>


Let's put it this way.  The reason I own an Atari computer is
because it did not cost very much to purchase.

Atari wants to give everyone as much as possible for say $700.00

If they included a 68040 and other stuff, they would have to charge
maybe $2000.00.  Which do you think will sell better?

I think a powerful low-cost computer should do well.  Even though
it may not be made up of the most recent technology.

And REMEMBER, this is Atari's low-end computer.  I think it is a VERY GOOD
low-end computer.  If Atari starts cheating on its high-end machines
then I will start complaining.

Len

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From: rehrauer@apollo.hp.com (Steve Rehrauer)
Subject: Re: Atari
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:05:48 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Aug14.124301.17713@pellns.alleg.edu> heidelj@alleg.edu (Jason Heideloff) writes:
>> Sure it does.  Remember that the Falcon is trying to hit an under $1000
>> price point.  Motorola 68040s are _well_ over $200 in quantity, whereas
>> 68030s are below $100 (from what I've seen).  So if Atari wants to make
>> a higher-end version of the Falcon based on a 68040, they can sell it
>> for over $1000.  But, they're trying to sell to a home audience, rather
>> than the pricey NeXT audience (ever try to buy a NeXT machine for under
>> $1000?).  I'm certain not every Mac buyer is buying a Quadra right now
>> due to the high cost of those 68040-based machines.
>> 
>> --
>> Paul Dorweiler
>> Hewlett-Packard Company
>> Fort Collins, CO
>> email: pjd@hpespjd.fc.hp.com
>> AT&T: (303) 229-6030
>
>But that is another good point to bring up.  Why does Atari always seem to  
>try and produce things so that they are cheaply priced?

Because people who buy expensive machines wouldn't buy from Atari.  When
you're contemplating multiples of $1,000 per box, things like service and
a demonstrated history of success count for a lot.  Atari has neither, as
far as I can tell.  When you're contemplating $500 or so (i.e.: about the
cost of a VCR, stereo component, etc), you're treading into "impulse buy"
range for many people, where considerations like "But will the company
still exist 3 years from now?" seldom go...

>  I think that  
>people are turned off by lowly priced computers, especially from Atari  
>anyway.

People are turned off by poor value, or by unknowns with price tags.
A computer for which software is virtually nonexistent where most people
shop (relatively few people are aware of Atari-specific mags and the
mail-order houses which advertise in them) is a poor value for those
people.  A product line which Atari either refuses or is financially
unable to advertise consistently is an unknown.

Face it, Atari has painted itself into a low-price niche.  Not that there's
anything wrong with that, if they can make money and decent products by
being there.  But I just can't fathom why people throw stones at them for
not trying to make the hottest boxes on the street.  If you have the money
to buy something hotter, go buy it.  Else, stop wishing for head-spinning
performance at bargain-basement prices; if no one else can do it, why expect
Atari can?  Don't you think they would if they could??

>  I don't think the Power Without The Price motto can survive much  
>longer.

The what?  Does Atari still use that line these days?
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From: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:25:25 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <1992Aug14.143634.3612@arizona.edu>
paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu writes:
>So what's the new key on the Falcon between 'Z' and the left-shift?

That's a British keyboard. The key is '\' and '|' when shifted. The UK
manual for my 1040ST has a picture of a US machine with the massive left shift
key.

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From: euro@eurobs.bs.open.de (Eugen-Roland Rohn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon article in Atari Advantage
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:36:40 GMT
Reply-To: euro@eurobs.bs.open.de
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.00 Rev. Jan 16 1992

In <1992Aug10.195008.12227@news2.cis.umn.edu>, davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu writes:
>I found the description of the Falcon in the 'June/July 1992' issue  of
>Atari Advantage interesting.  After careful examination of the back
>of the machine (on page 28) and the accompanying caption, I am at a loss
>to determine where the Falcon's video port is supposed to be.  As far as
>the caption is concerned, one is stuck with the RCA jack for RF-video to
>your television set.  I =think= that the (apparently) 19-pin D-connector
>next to the SCSI II port is supposed to be the video port.  Can anyone
>else offer information on this?
In c't (german computing magazine) they said, that there are two ports,
one for the SM124, one for the rest.
>
>-- David Paschall-Zimbel
  euro

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