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From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: D.A.D. T-Shirt Info
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:42:31 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I don't know whether this will be sufficient to track down how to get
this t-shirt, but it's the best I could do.  The T-Shirt has "(c)
R.H.E. Printed by Dallas Alice" included in the printing.  Sounds like
a reasonable shot that there's a business called Dallas Alice in (um,
er...) Dallas.  My sister-in-law got the t-shirt in a random t-shirt
shop in Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco.  She can't remember the
name of the place and doesn't have a receipt or bag or anything like
that.

If anybody manages to track this down, please post the info or e-mail
it to me. I got several personal e-mail requests for it.

For those who didn't see my original post about this: the t-shirt in
question has a picture of a baby holding a diaper in one hand and
their nose in another on the front, and "D.A.D. / Dads Against
Diapers / It's not just a job, it's a doody." on the back.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Musical Tapes For babies/toddlers
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:21:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State University

I'd like to second the recommendation that you check out your local library
for children's tapes.  We've been able to introduce lots of variety this way &
to avoid buying some that didn't go over very well.

Like another poster, Katie (3.5) enjoys the Raffi tapes.  She also loves
all of the Sharon, Lois & Bram tapes -- Mainly Mother Goose is my favorite,
but I like all of these too (an important consideration when you are going to
listen to them over & over & over & over .... again :-)).  There are a few
"Best of Disney" tapes that we bought at Toys 'r Us that are pretty good &
they were relatively inexpensive.  We've been using tapes when we travel since
Katie was about 10 months old -- they help a lot!!!  (even if mom & dad have
to fight for a chance to listen to "our" tapes)  During the last year, she has
become increasingly interested in story tapes, so we have added many of these
to our musical tape collection.

Carol Fischer (CXF12@psuvm.psu.edu)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:18:49 GMT

In article <2080@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> chrisw@chopin.FtCollins.NCR.com (Chris Whitley) writes:
>[stuff deleted]
>>That way they won't give you an epidural.  I can't imagine
>> having a tube stuck in my back.  Ow!  Since my doctor (Ms.
>> Demoral) didn't show up, I escaped that also.  I can't
>> imagine an iv sticking in my arm either.
>
>Hey, I don't care if you believe in drugs during labor or not.
>But to suggest that the pain of inserting the epidural (which
>in most cases ELIMINATES the pain of labor) is of any significance
>AT ALL compared to the pain of labor is beyond my comprehension.
>For those of you yet to deliver, do not let this issue (pain of
>inserting/wearing epidural) deter you if you would otherwise 
>opt for an epidural.
>
>Chris

  Yeah, but I've had MORE THAN ONE friend tell me that
  the epidural was the most painful part of it all.
  One friend said that it took all her human will
  power not to sink her teeth into the nurse's
  arm.  I went through the pain of labor and I didn't
  think it was so bad that I wanted to bite the nurse!
  And my friend who had the spinal said it was the
  worse and she had headaches afterwards.  Regular
  labor pains go away as soon as the contraction
  stops.  And the pain doesn't last too long.

  Just curious, have you experienced both epidural
  pain and labor pain?  Perhaps you can tell us which
  is better.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (STAFFORD, KD)
Subject: Re: 50 Use of drugs during labor (% wise)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:02:06 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In my childbirth class this week we discussed drugs. The instructor gave
some statistics for the use of drugs at the hospital where I will deliver.
She said that about 50% of all women get some sort of drug. About 25%
get an epidural. She didn't know how women who get both are figured
in. This is only for vaginal births, not c-sections (where epidurals are
the norm). She said that in Denver the rate of epidurals was 90%!!! That
seems outlandish, but since some hospitals/doctors push them, I guess I
can't be too surprised.

I was just wondering how many women actually have a drugless labor these
days. Back in the old days, when my mom was bearing children, no one had
a drugless labor. Except my mom. In fact, she had two in the early 60's.
After that, there was a swing towards no drugs in labor. Has the pendulum
swung back again (of course, they are not using the same drugs these
days)?

Just seems like everyone I know got an epidural during labor.
--
Sharon Badian
AT&T Bell Labs - Denver
seb1@druhi.att.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

When I had my son (12/84) at El Camino Hospital, Mountain View, CA they
gave me absolutely NO drugs until I requested something.  At that point they
gave me a shot in the leg of some sort of muscle relaxer.  That was it!
Even when I asked for another shot, they stated that I was so close to
pushing that another shot would only slow the process down, so I went
without.

Kelly
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu (Hari Seldon)
Subject: Re: Hampton Rhoads, Virginia
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:42:10 GMT

In <1992Jul24.231638.1823@csi.jpl.nasa.gov> cub@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Ray Miller) writes:

>I am contemplating taking a job in the Hampton Rhoads area and I am looking
>for some information. I have a three year old son, and would like someone who
>is familiar with the area to forward information to me regarding cost of
>living, housing/rent prices, school systems, people, etc. There is only so
>much that can be learned from reading, and I would really appreciate a little
>advice from someone who is familiar with the area. Thanks in advance for the
>help.
well i lived for ~12 years in norfolk va. email for more info.
bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu 128.101.224.23

just remember that was about hey 12 years ago :-)
anyone out there graduate from lake taylor in norfolk??
--
bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ohrd!crobshaw@cs.toronto.edu (Catherine Robshaw)
Subject: Re: Rhogam Shot
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:43:29 GMT

No pain for me either!  I had no idea anyone EVER found it painful,
so I guess I just didn't expect any.  We must be the lucky ones!

catharine robshaw
From: salisbur@chilliwack.cs.washington.edu (Mike Salisbury)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Baby Names
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:37:30 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

Can somebody point me to a list of baby names on the network
(ftp, email, etc.)?  Background/origin information on the names would
be great, but is not necessary.

Thanks.

Mike Salisbury
salisbur@cs.washington.edu
From: evelyn@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Evelyn James)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:15:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Re; Strep B?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

I just read the previous responses to the first post.  By the way I did have
a c-section since the baby was sick from the GSB. My water did break early
however.
From: ruth@lewis.EE.CORNELL.EDU (Ruth Onn)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Info about a game wanted
Date: 27 Jul 1992 13:37:39 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Does anyone have info about an educational card game. It may be called
"Borders America". I understand that at each turn one puts down a card,
but may do so only if the state on the card borders the one that is put.
The purpose is to get rid of your cards.
Any leads will be appreciated. E-mail preffered, will summarise in case
of interest.
Ruth ruth@ee.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:59:09 GMT

In article <3260@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.141844.13730@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Ann Helmers) writes:
>>I'm still nursing my daughter I suspect I will again go back up to my normal
>>weight after she weans.  Anyway, the smartest thing I did was have a skinny
>>mother!  
>
>I was also going to say before I saw Ann's post that I knew of an exception 
>to the theory--I saw a picture of Ann H. taken when Caroline was just a 
>tiny baby and she (Ann) looked fantastic (so did the baby, BTW).  It was 
>disgusting! ;^) ;^) I guess Caroline did a pretty smart thing having a 
>skinny mother too!

HA! I *do* have a skinny mom (well she was before menopause) and it didnt
do me a bit of good. I guess the same person who advised Ann and me to get
a skinny mother forgot to mention skinny fathers too! I went for a stocky
father with a weight problem. Lucky me!

I am still 30 pounds over my prepregnancy weight (with Jeffrey), and it looks
like I will have to wait a while before trying to loose it. I was just at the
breaking point with my weight and about to seek out weight watchers when I
got pregnant! 

And to all you people who are complaining about being 5-10 pounds overweight
a big *THPTTTH* to you. And to those who let us know how quickly you bounce
back to your original weight a double *THPTTTH*!! I wont even say anything to
Diane who is now 5 pounds less, cause I may get bounced off the net. :-)

Feeling FAT and grumpy!
Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:19:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.201849.16412@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>  Just curious, have you experienced both epidural
>  pain and labor pain?  Perhaps you can tell us which
>  is better.

I was not the original poster.  But I *have* had a bad epideural
experience, as well as an epiderual-free labor, and I would have to
say that it really depends on the labor and how the person experiences
pain.  With the epideural labor, I really wanted the epideural,
and even though the experience of the epideural was bad, I would
not even in retrospect have chosen *not* to have it.  With the second
labor, I didn't even reach a point where I would have wanted it.
The labor pain was manageable.

FYI I had several problems with the epideural.  Just the mechanics of
inserting the thing was very difficult for me.  They missed the 
first time and left me with a lovely bruise in the back and some
sort of damage that caused my back to hurt in that spot for about
four months.  I did not get a headache, though.  The second time
they tried they got it in, but the epideural had a large window so
I only got partial pain relief anyway.  The redose in two hours
worked just fine, though.

-- Misty
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lorenzo@hsi.com (Evelyn Lorenzo)
Subject: Re: Re; Strep B?
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:10:07 GMT

In article <9207241229.AA16883@panhed.psc.edu> grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:
>
>I just asked my OB if he tests for this routinely and he said no.  That
>since they regularly test urine, something would show up there.  So now
>I am wondering how so many babies are being born with it.  Is it
>because we are coming down with it right before delivery?  I guess we
>should seriously worry if we come down with flu-like symptoms towrd the
>end?  Anyone know?
>
>-Shirl

Actually, Strep B can be completely asymptomatic - you may never know you are
carrying it unless a culture is done to detect it specifically.  My OB does
test for Strep B routinely, now.  He didn't when I was pregnant with my 
daughter who's 16 months now, but now that I'm expecting again, the culture
was done.  I was a little confused when I got a bill for a Strep culture with
a reference to my OB GYN.  I didn't recall having a throat culture taken! :-)
So, I asked.  He said he just started doing the culture routinely because babies
born to mothers who carry the bacteria have a GREAT chance of injury or even
death if they are exposed during delivery.  He also told me that the mother 
may never know she carries it, so this was the reason for the test.  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M16585@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: D.A.D.s Funny T-Shirt
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:30:50 GMT

In article <11341.2a7428b3@cpva.saic.com>
demartinib@cpva.saic.com writes:
 
>
>Regarding the Dads Against Diapers T-shirt, there is also a M.O.M version:
>
>M.O.M.
>
>Mission Of Madness
>
>From Here to Maternity!
>
>Both were in the display window at `The Royal Nursery' here in San Diego.
>Their # is (619) 450-1317.
>
>Brenda DeMartini
>SAIC
>(My first post after a year of lurking.  I hope it works, I'm only an
>accountant! :->)
>
ONLY an accountant?! No such thing.  Very honorable, and more than I could do.
Ellie
From: prnott@cco.caltech.edu (Prabhu R. Nott)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Travelling with a 10 week old - need advice.
Keywords: international travel, strollers.
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:50:52 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

Hi folks:

	My wife and I will be packing our bags and leaving for India with
our yet to be born first baby.  By the time we leave, I expect the baby
to be about 10 weeks old.  The journey wil be roughly 18 hours - we are
still debating the pros and cons of breaking the journey somewhere.  I am
wondering if any of you have travelled with an infant of approximately that
age before and if you would have any advice to offer or share your experience
with us.  We both realize it is going to be a difficult journey, but would
like to make it as easy as possible.  Any information in this regard will be
greatly appreciated.
	A related question is - what do most airlines do with strollers that
are too big to be put under the seat or in the overhead compartment.  Someone
told us that they let you take it all the way to the gate and return it to
you at the gate when you disembark.  Has that happened to anyone - is this
standard practice?  Also, are there any good (sturdy) strollers available
in the market that are also collapsible enough to fit inside an aircraft
overhead compartment (or under the seat)?
	Thanks in advance,

Prabhu
-- 
------------------------------ Prabhu R. Nott ----------------------------
	121 S. Chester Ave. #1		Caltech 210-41
	Pasadena,  CA 91125		Pasadena,  CA 91125
	(818) 585-0866			(818) 356-4143, 4175
From: windham@uniadv.uadv.uci.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Places to stay in San Diego
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:30:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

Does anyone have any suggestions for nice places to stay in
San Diego?  I have two boys, 3.5 years and 1 yr old.  It
has to be close to Sea World, the zoo, and museums.  I'd
like it to have kitchen facilities because my kids like to
eat **now** and frequently.  I recall hearing of places
that cater to families with children, but I can't seem to
find any of them.  Thanks in advance for any and all replies.

Cindy Windham
From: sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Alternatives to Spanking?
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:08:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization

In article <18753@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@druhi.att.com writes:
>
>My mom used this method. I'm one of three daughters. I remember my sister
>once throwing a tantrum in a busy department store. I'm sure many people
>would consider this to be an embarrassing situation. My mom just ignored
>her. Mom said we threw very few tantrums. My mom's take on it was we were
>doing it for the attention. She just wouldn't give us the satisfaction of
>giving us any while the tantrum was in progress. 
>
>Sharon Badian

  My kids have 2 types of tantrums:
 
  1) A "gimme" tantrum, thrown to gain attention, or to gain something they've
     been denied
  2) An "out of control" or "frustration" tantrum
 
  Ignoring is only really appropriate for the first type, in my household,
and indeed, my kids don't throw many of those because they just don't
work.  On the other hand, type 2 calls for a completely different type
of handling.  Usually they are over tired, over stimulated, or hungry,
and getting the child calm enough to solve the underlying problem is the
real goal of everything I do for/with them.  The appropriate solution 
**may** be ignoring it, but it may not be either.  When my daughter
throws a type 2 from exhaustion, the right thing to do is to put her
in her crib, close the door, and walk away; she will scream at the top
of her lungs for no more than 3 minutes, then crash straight into sleep.
Staying in the room prolongs the agony.  For my son, the right thing is
totally different, and involves staying with him.  They are not trying
to "gain" anything with this type of tantrum; they have simply lost
it.  My kids throw far more type 2 tantrums than type 1, and recognizing
that lets me have a "sanity check" on whether they are being handled right.
  So, it all depends.  If the child carefully checks behind them for
objects that might hurt them, then checks to see if you are watching, and
**then** throws the tantrum, feel free to ignore it.  But if the child is
out of control, consider other "treatment plans".
 
					Susanne Gilliam
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Getting hair cut
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:46:21 GMT

> In article <1992Jul23.192033.10199@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, dma9w@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Dawn M. Adelsberger-Mangan) writes:
>  
> |> What do you all think ?  Should a 4 year old make a decision regarding
> |> hair length ?
> 

I have a friend whose five-year-old daughter has, like yours, beautiful
long, long hair.  It's also very full and curly.   My friend spends a great 
deal of time braiding the hair to keep it out of every playing messes.
And washing it, in addition to normal frequent washings, to remove bug spray,
etc.  

But I was disturbed in a recent conversation when I heard my friend
say she avoids taking her daughter to the loacal beach because she
gets sand in her hair.  And then I suddenly recalled many other 
similar statements:  avaoid walking in the woods -- you'll 
get brush and bugs in the hair.  Don't go out or swim in the pool
unless hair is braided -- the hair will get tangled.  Be careful
with food and paints -- hair will fall into it.

The little girl is being held prisoner of her own hair!  I say, let
her get a short easy-care style, and be free to be a little kid
(with all the accompanying mess).  She has plenty of remaining
years to grow her hair long again if she decides its worth the
hassle.

(For corollary info, my hair was kept short when I was little
for these same reasons, and it never bothered me.  I suffered enough
with the tangles that my wavy page-boy still managed to acquire.
And as the mother of two littel boys, I am very glad that "buzzes"
are in fashion)

-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpy!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Funny T-Shirt
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:26:31 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <LOWRY.92Jul22104338@rotor.watson.ibm.com> I write:
 > I received a t-shirt yesterday as a gift from my sister-in-law.  On
 > the front, where a pocket might be, there's a cute picture of a small
 > child holding its nose with one hand and holding out a dripping diaper
 > with the other (very small and cute, not as disgusting as it might
 > sound).  The back reads:
 > 
 >         D. A. D.
 >   Dads Against Diapers
 > 
 >  It's not just a Job...
 >     It's a Doody

I've gotten a couple of e-mail requests already from people wanting to
know where they can get this.  I'll try to find out and post to the
net.  (Hopefully this would not constitute commercial use of the net?)
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: mike@shemesh.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Having kids saves money?
Date: 30 Jul 1992 21:20:20 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: mike@shemesh.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.63

In addition to the points others have mentioned, you do get
a modest income deduction from fed & local tax authorities.

In my experience, the savings, if there are any, are all in the early
(1-2) years.  After a while, you all get bored with cocooning, the
kids need real clothes & have real activities & lessons of their own
to do, their plane tickets are full price, the house is too small, 
they eat more than adults, &c & then things get REALLY expensive.
From: smsa0@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Susan M. Seet)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor (% epidurals)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:24:45 GMT
Reply-To: smsa0@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Susan M. Seet)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


I honestly believe that I was biased by all the good things said
about epidurals when I was delivering my daughter.  I was also biased
about how painful back labor could be.

So when I recognized that I was having back labor, I automatically
assumed that the pain was more intensive than normal births (after all
I had nothing to scale the pain factor against).  I also came quickly
to the conclusion that I needed an epidural.  I went from 3cm to 8cm
dialated in 30 minutes.  Doctor, nurse and hubby counselled me against
an epidural but I was adamant that I needed it. I was given a shot of
demerol when I was 6cm dialated, which did take some of the edge off the
contractions but in no way made any significant difference.  The
anestheseologist came in to give me my epidural and failed.  Seems that
there is very little space between each of my vertebrae.  Instead of
announcing that he didn't have a good shot at my dura, he tried a little
too hard and punctured it instead.

I gave birth to my daughter without an epidural barely half hour after I
asked for it.  I also paid a tremendous price for my stubborness and bias,
5 days worth of spinal headache and an agonizing trip back to the hospital
for a blood patch.

I am now biased the other way, but hope that I have the broad mindedness
when I'm in pain to consider taking a chance at getting the epidural if
it should be necessary.

Susan Seet
From: ELDREDGE@UCF1VM.BITNET
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Biting when nursing
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:15:22 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services

James's first teeth came in two weeks ago (he's 5.5 months) and he has bitten
me twice.  Both times were towards the end of a feeding when he really wasn't
hungry anymore, just still suckling.  What I have done is yell "OW" (well, it
does hurt), detached him from the nipple and said "James, please don't bite
Mama". Then I give him his pacifier and continue to cuddle him (since that's
his biggest reason for suckling when he's not hungry).

Cynthia Eldredge
From: jean@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jean Jasinski)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:57:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Protein Traces in Urine
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA