From: WAND_M@gold.colorado.edu
Subject: Mayor Webb interview, part III
Followup-To: amend2-discuss@cs.colorado.edu
Originator: doherty@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:30:51 GMT

On the phone with us, although he didn't have much to say with some of the last 
calls, is John Andrews, the Republican nominee for governor in 1990 who 
supported Amendment 2.  John, any quick thoughts on anything before I go to the 
next call?

                             silence

G - John may have gone to sleep during the last couple of calls.  Let's go back 
to the phone and let's go to another John in Denver.  Hi, John.

J - I just wanted to make a comment.  I do support Amendment 2 and also I am a 
small business owner here in Denver and the topic we've discussed among other 
small business owners here in Denver is that we need to identify the people 
that are for the boycott, whether they are homosexual or heterosexual, and at 
the same time when the time comes because of economical reasons and people will 
eventually need to be laid off because of the boycott, identify those 
individuals and they'll be the first ones to go.  Because obviously that's what 
they're asking for, to lose their own jobs.  What do you think of that, Mayor?

W - I'm not sure what you're suggesting...

J - Well, what I'm saying is...

W - What I'm saying is I'm opposed to the boycott.

J - Well, I understand that.

G - Are you saying the people in Colorado--let me see if I can sum up what 
you're saying, John.  The people in Colorado who support the boycott should be 
the first ones to be laid off.  They should be identified somehow and should be 
the first ones to be laid off if the boycott costs Colorado business.  Is that 
it?

J - Right.

G - OK, Mayor, how would you do that?

W - I'm not sure how to do that, I mean...

J _ You always stand around the job site discussing issues and as we discuss 
those issues and they become evident as to how people feel and you do need to 
lay people off, you need to make those decisions as to who is the person to go.

G - That's silly, John.  Leave the Mayor out of this for a second.  Let me say 
that's silly because--I mean that's essentially what the boycotters are doing.  
I mean you're like siding--you've got a double-sided argument here.  I mean 
what the boycotters are doing is saying let's identify the people like you who 
supported #2 and not go to his business anymore, so they would want you to wear 
like a badge on your shirt so they would know not to go to your business and 
pay you any money.

J - And that is exactly what is going on in Denver.  There are some businesses 
that do actually have signs on their businesses that say No Hate Workplace and 
that way they want to entice people who are against Amendment 2 to come to 
their businesses and at the same time it's backfiring because other people are 
choosing not to go to those places and go to other places that do endorse them.

G - You know what's so amazing to me about this whole thing just sitting here 
as a non-Coloradan.  Americans find the damndest ways to divide themselves.  
You know, we've sort of gotten rid of communism and...and we don't have people 
like on one side Joe McCarthy and on the other side...you know, we got rid of 
this and that and Democrats and Republican parties got so close together you 
can't tell one from another anymore, and it's just like we're finding 
something...now we got a no hate business and you want signs that say, what?, a 
hate business?  Or what?

J - No, not at all, but you need to identify who it is that's endorsing this 
boycott that is in fact hurting their own businesses where they are working at.

G - Well, why don't we just have a universal product code on everybody so we 
can see who they sleep with and what their political beliefs are and all that.  
We can just scan them...

J - ...that's another point, on that I do not care who anybody sleeps with.  
That is their own business, and as far as my business, I don't know who is a 
homosexual or heterosexual unless they bring it out to me.  I do not want to 
know about it.  That's the point.

G - OK.  Was that John Andrews I hearad there for a second too?  John?

J - The only other comment that I wanted to make was your last caller brought 
up if she comes to Colorado to buy a piece of land, she's going to be 
discriminated against because she's a lesbian.  I don't know of any application 
for a loan that I've ever seen or the first comment out of your mouth when you 
go to apply for a loan is what your sexual status is, whether you're 
heterosexual, homosexual, pedophile or whatever it might be, and I don't 
understand that logic.

G - A pedophile.  OK.  Let's go to Don in Arvada, Colorado.  Don, you've got a 
minute.

D - Yes.  Hi.  Thanks for taking my call.  The thing that I'd like to ask the 
mayor is how can I as a real estate agent look at somebody and tell whether 
they're bisexual, homosexual, heterosexual or whatever? 

W - You might not be able to, and that's one of the reasons that it seems to me 
that there shouldn't be that much opposition to your providing protection for a 
group of people that...

D - Let me add a little bit here.  As a real estate agent, why we're frequently 
tested by civil rights testers--blacks, handicapped, so forth.  We cannot as 
real estate agents serve everybody that comes along mainly because we don't 
have the time to do that, so if I choose not to work with somebody for whatever 
reason and I later find out that they're a homosexual and the civil rights 
people are on my tail, what do I do to protect myself?

W - I understand the issue that you're raising, and I understand (interruptions 
here by Gross) let me just share with you (interruption)...

G - I'm sorry, I'm just flat out of time.  Thank you all for being here.

                          End of program.



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