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From:         steve mcnutt <Z1SSM@TTUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      civil war

     Hello out there!! i've been kind of silently watching the letters lately,
hoping to find something related to the civil war era, but unfortunately i
haven't seen anything.
     is anyone out there involved in any civil war living history
(i.e.-reenacting)? I've been doing it off and on for about a year or so and am
always interested in meeting other reenactors.
     also, i was wondering if anyone knows of any e-mail groups that focus
more on that period of history.

p.s.- not that other periods of history aren't interesting, but c.w. history
has always been my favorite.

thanks:
steve mcnutt:     z1ssm@ttuvm1.ttu.edu    internet
                  z1ssm@ttuvm1            bitnet
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From: akerr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Austin Kerr)
Subject: Re: Capt. Thomas Abbe & the election.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:10:44 GMT

Lenny,

Wondering why Carter your fellow Georgian was not on the list in '76?

Austin
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From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: 75th OVi

In the late C19, or perhaps early C20, the US gov't
sponsored a series of regimental histories for the
US and state units during the Civil War. The one
that I have seen, for a Michigan black reg't,
contains a narrative of battle service and a
muster roll. Any major university library should
hold this work.

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
South Carolina, U.S.A.
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
From: stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury)
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Subject: Warm Springs Indians Research
Date: 12 Nov 1992 02:38:36 -0500
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Summary: need sources

I'm doing research on the Warm Springs Indian Reservation in Oregon.
I'm mainly working on the time period of and following the incorporation
of the reservation, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend some
good sources (secondary and primary).  Thanks

-- 
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From:         Sarah Davnall <ZLSIISA@CMS.MCC.AC.UK>
Subject:      History Database?

Hello.
This has been to ARCHIVES and BIBSOFT without result. I am forwarding it,
with the requestor's permission, to HISTORY because I recall that the
subject came up here some time ago. Can anyone help, please?
   Sarah Davnall   (S.Davnall@Manchester.ac.uk)
   Manchester Computing Centre, University of Manchester, England.
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From:         CSHENETTE@CLARKU.BITNET
Subject:      History Database
To:           Multiple recipients of list ARCHIVES <ARCHIVES@INDYCMS.BITNET>

We have just rec'd information on a new software product called
History Database, written by David Clark.  According to the sales
brochure the "History Database combines computer database management
with historical research practices and with library, archival and
museum cataloging standards..."  I have looked for reviews of this
product without any luck.  Does anyone out there have any information
on the History Database they could share with me?  Any information
is welcome!  Thanks!

Cynthia A. Shenette
Clark University Archives
Clark University
Worcester, MA
cshenette@vax.clarku.edu
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:32:33 ECT
From:         BV0325@BINGVMB.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Graduate Schools

If you would like information about 20th c. American or German social history
at Binghamton University in New York, I would be glad to answer any questions
you might have. Binghamton's history department is pitched toward social
and cultural history with labor and women's history being its strong points.
Let me know if I can be of help,

Samuel White
Department of History
Binghamton University
BV0325@BINGVMB.BITNET
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From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Capt. Thomas Abbe & the election.
              6 Nov 1992 01:10:44 GMT from <akerr@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

I didn't vote for Carter because I thought Ford was better for the job.

Jimmy is too liberal.

Lenny
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:24:01 EST
From:         dave pretty <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Graduate Schools
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Post by KOHANJJ@HIRAMB.BITNET

>I am interested in attending a good graduate school for 20th Century social and
>cultural history.  What are your opinions on a good school for this subject?  I
>   really have no idea where to look, and aside from the names like Wisconsin a
Gee, Jim, I'd like to help, but, like, history of what country?
From: LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET (Lenny)
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Subject: Re: Liberal (was Capt. Thomas Abbe & the election...)
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:55:38 GMT
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              30 Nov 1992 16:41:00 -0500 from <schipper@MORGAN.UCS.MUN.CA>

What's wrong with being a liberal?

Well, in the US being a liberal usually does NOT mean that you are a person
who is unafraid of new and unusual solutions to old problems. (My definition of
a REAL liberal.)

In this country it means that you are a craven, selfish, evil, person who will
do anything possible to "serve" your clientele.  This means lots of nifty
programs which pass out money almost free of charge.  Money paid in taxes
by those who cannot afford the luxury of being liberal.

Here is an example of the handiwork of liberals.  We have food stamps, which
are supposed to assist the poor in purchasing food.  But food stamps are
dispensed by an office which is only open from 10:00 am to 4:00 pm.  You
cannot receive them unless you appear personally at the office between
these hours.  Therefore, you cannot receive food stamps if you work.  You are,
in effect, punished for working.  But the liberal, Democratic, politicians
don't care.  The program looks good, smells good, but it sure doesn't taste
good.

The only consistent motive I have been able to discern in American liberals
is self-aggrandizement (sorry, no dictionary handy).  No insult to dignity
or self respect is too base for them to use in an attempt to consolidate
their power.  They are truly vile.  They would destroy the human soul for
their own profit.

That is what is wrong with liberals.

Lenny
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From:         Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: election day comment
              3 Nov 1992 14:36:14 EST from <ST402747@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

The county which gave LBJ his critical victory in 1948 was Jim Wells
County. It's South of San Antonio, North of Brownsville, and just West
of Kingsville and Corpus Christi. It wasn't his home county.
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:47:50 EST
From:         Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC

For our national epic, consider Longfellow's poems, esp. Paul Revere.
Doesn't really meet all the qualifications, but it could serve in many
ways.

As for why we don't have one, well, we haven't been around all that
long, and our "epic" times aren't that far in our past. Besides, culture
isn't hospitable to epics any more. We no longer spend our time sitting
around telling stories, reciting poems, and singing songs to each other
and to our children, so there's less place for the epic medium, and
less opportunity for an epic to be preserved and transmitted as epics
must in order to qualify as epics.

Tom Powers
The University of South Carolina at Sumter
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:42:36 -0500
From:         KOHANJJ@HIRAMB.BITNET
Subject:      Graduate Schools

Thanks to all for your responses.  I have been looking at a Directory of
History Departments and Organizations to see who teaches what and where.  So
far, I am interested in: Wisconsin @ Madison, North Carolina @ Chapel Hill or
Charlotte, Michigan, UPenn, Berkeley, and Missouri @ Columbia.  The latter,
while not a "name school" has several acclaimed social historians, like David
Roediger.  My advisors have told me to either look for a "name" school where you
   would fit in, or look for a "name" professor that you would like to work with
   . Ihave been asking class-mates, and they feel just as lost as I do at times.
    If
you have any more suggestions, or comments on the above schools, please respond.
   I am also interested in SUNY Binghamton as they have some good social histori
   ansas well.  Thanks to all again!

Jim \
(in%"kohanjj@hiramb.bitnet")
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:36:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: civil war

Which civil war are we talking about? There is an
organization called "Sealed Knot," which dresses
up in lobstertail helmets, carries pikes, and
re-enacts the Civil War (English, that is).
Then there is the Spanish Civil War. I don't
think that anyone re-enacts that (perhaps because
unlike in the U.S. Civil War, the goodies lost.)

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
South Carolina, U.S.A.
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
From: med@LINGUA.CLTR.UQ.OZ.AU ((Marion Diamond))
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Subject: Re: Hoover in Oz (Was Presidents who studied abroad)
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:38:10 GMT
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Denis, I would definitely have included the barmaid's love song if
I had had it!  It's not in the ADB entry, and the refs. at the end
of the article don't seem promising, but you _could_ try
K. Tracey: Herbert Hoover - a bibliography of his writings and addresses
(Stanford, California, 1977) !  But I don't hold out much hope!
I'll keep looking.

Marion Diamond
med@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au
From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: high school mythmakers
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 14:19:31 EST

In article <HISTORY%92110914574435@PSUVM.PSU.EDU> LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET (Lenny) writes:
>The Mexican constitution might forbid slavery, but when I was in Baja
>last year, I saw thousands of slaves.  I think that 90% of the population
>is slave.  Their chains are economical and educational, but are these
>chains less real?
>
>Lenny

Of course not. This only illustrates the legalisism of the state.
While slavery is outright illegal, there's nothing in the constitution    
about exploitation. That is true of both the Mexican, US and virtually
every other laissez-faire economic system. 


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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:47:31 -0600
From:         mlove@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      Re: History Database?
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Clark wrote an article about it in Perspectives last year.  I'm afraid I
don't have a citation for it.  I haven't actually seen any reviews but I
know he has materials he can send explaining the program.  It is DOS-based
so, as a Mac user, I have no practical experience with it.

Sharon D. Michalove
Assistant to the Chair for Undergraduate Affairs
Department of History, UIUC
309 Gregory Hall, 810 South Wright Street
Urbana, IL  61801
 217-333-4145
mlove@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu

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From:         steve mcnutt <Z1SSM@TTUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 75th OVi

tom,
    thanks for the info. Unfotunately, that's the limited information that i
already have. but, once again, thanks anyway.

             steve mcnutt
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 11:17:42 EST
From:         Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Book List Request: Frederick the Great
              5 Nov 1992 11:39:38 -0700 from <J_CAUSEY@CCNODE.COLORADO.EDU>

I don't have any books on Frederick the Great to offer you at the
moment, but you might pursue your interest in other ways as well.

The Avalon Hill Game Company of Baltimore publishes a wargame called
Frederick the Great. Buy it and try to conduct some of his campaigns
better than he did.

And for another side of the well-rounded gentleman, the Musical Heritage
Society offers a CD or cassette of Frederick's Flute Concerti,
performed by Julius Redel and the Pro Arte Chamber Orchestra.
(Cassette # 312859X; CD # 512859X) (Cassette $7.95; CD $12.95 US)
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From:         "Frederick the Great" <J_CAUSEY@CCNODE.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Book List Request: Frederick the Great
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	First, I'd like to thank everyone fro helping me out.  This list
is great.  Keep that E-Mail flowing in.

Tom Powers writes:

> The Avalon Hill Game Company of Baltimore publishes a wargame called
> Frederick the Great. Buy it and try to conduct some of his campaigns
> better than he did.

As an avid wargamer, I am already quite familiar with this game.  One
problem I always have is that my opponents, being military officers,
generally coordinate their efforts much better than Maria Theresa and
her companions did.

Tom also writes:
> And for another side of the well-rounded gentleman, the Musical Heritage
> Society offers a CD or cassette of Frederick's Flute Concerti,
> performed by Julius Redel and the Pro Arte Chamber Orchestra.
> (Cassette # 312859X; CD # 512859X) (Cassette $7.95; CD $12.95 US)

Do you know if this album can be purchased in any store?

Finally, while I'm on the topic of Germany, what does everyone think
of the recent violence over there?  Being an undergraduate, my analysis
is not exactly topnotch, but it worries me to no end, especially since
I'll be quite draftable when anything over there blows up.

	Jim Causey
	j_causey@ccnode.colorado.edu
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Subject: Presidents who studied abroad
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:36:00 GMT
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Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, as everyone
knows. John Kennedy was a junior year abroad student (I
think) at the London School of Economics. Did any of
our other US Presidents study abroad, either at the
universities, or the Inns of Court, or outside Britain?
What is Clinton's Oxford degree?

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
South Carolina, U.S.A.
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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From:         "(Marion Diamond)" <med@LINGUA.CLTR.UQ.OZ.AU>
Subject:      Re: Presidents who studied abroad
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Robert George mentions that Hoover may have studied abroad.  According
to the Australian Dictionary of Biography (yes, Hoover's in it!)
he entered Stanford University in 1891 and graduated BA in geology in
1895.  He went to the Coogardie, Western Australian goldfields in
1897 as 'inspecting engineer' for Bewick, Moreing & Co.  That year he
investigated a 'remote, little-developed gold mine, the Sons of Gwalia,
near Leonora [WA]', and urged his employers to secure on option on it.
They floated Sons of Gwalia Ltd in London in 1898.  That company still
exists, BTW.

He left Oz in Dec 1898, married in California, and went to China in
1901 as mining enginerr for Bewick, Moreing - became a partner in
the firm, and was back in Western Australia in 1902.  Visited WA
in 1902, 1903, 1905, 1907.  He retired from B, W and Co in 1908.

In 1905 with W.L.Baillieu [still an important family in Australia]
he founded the Zinc Corporation (lated Rio-Tinto-Zinc Corp Ltd)
at Broken Hill [New South Wales].

His wife was the acclaimed translator into English of the Latin mining
classic 'De re metallica'.

As ADB puts it, 'The rest of Hoover's succession of careers is better
known... He almost certainly, however, did not write something often
attributed to him in Australia: a love poem to a barmaid at Kalgoorlie'.

Marion Diamond
med@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au
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Subject: Spanish colonization history
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:33:31 GMT
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From: Elliot Palais
For a confirmation of the Black Legend (and its application to
the English colonies and the USA), see David Stannard, American
Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World (NY: Oxford
University Press, 1992). Caution: requires a strong stomach.

Elliot Palais, Social Sciences Coordinator
Arizona State University Libraries,
Tempe, AZ 85287; IACESP@ASUACAD; IACESP@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:43:18 -0600
From:         mlove@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      Re: help from ohio?
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The geneaology list is Roots-L.  The address for subscribing is
Listserv@VM1.NoDak.EDU.

Sharon D. Michalove
Assistant to the Chair for Undergraduate Affairs
Department of History, UIUC
309 Gregory Hall, 810 South Wright Street
Urbana, IL  61801
 217-333-4145
mlove@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: DONS <DONS@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: History Database?
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:27:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.203030.3322@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> akerr@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Austin Kerr) writes:
                                                   A popular program in some
>places is Notebook II for keeping one's notes.  I have never, however, talked
>with a practicing researching historian who has used. it.
>
   I have been using NOTEBOOK II for a couple of years now to keep
notes, bibliographies, archival data, biographical data, etc. for
my research in educational history.  I find it to be a godsend.  I've
customized it a bit, creating simple structures for records and such.
After frustrating months in the mid-80s trying to customize dbase for
research, I was glad to find Notebook, which had already done all
of the major customizing for me.

Feel free to E-Mail if you have any questions.

Don Soucy
dsoucy@unb.ca

>.
From: AXTHEPD@UICVMC.BITNET (Peter Davis)
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 On Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 09:45:00 EST <DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET> said:

 >My great ambition in life is someday to make enough money
 >so that I don't have to teach summer school.

 Well, Denis, like I said, go to business school.  But be sure to get that PhD
 in Marketing or Finance, get a post at Harvard or Stanford or Wharton, sit on
 a dozen boards of directors, fly first class, teach one class a year, pull in
 a six-figure income, and then you can have all your summers free.

 It might be interesting to note that my grandfather was a business school prof
 at that li'l school in Cambridge, MA, during the 20s and 30s.  While going
 through his papers last year, I discovered his annual salary in 1932 was about
 $3500!!  About the same as an attorney or a physician, according to my trusty
 Time-Life book on the 1930s.  My, my, but have times changed!

 Peter Davis
 U of Illinois - Cornfields
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:26:00 EST
From:         DGPAZ@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: US NATIONAL EPIC

On Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:47:50 EST Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
said:

> Besides, culture isn't hospitable to epics any more. We no longer
> spend our time sitting around telling stories, reciting poems, and
> singing songs to each other and to our children, so there's less place
> for the epic medium, and less opportunity for an epic to be preserved
> and transmitted as epics must in order to qualify as epics.

Perhaps our epics appear in the form of films like
"Citizen Kane", "Across the Wide Missouri", "High Noon".

Denis Paz
Department of History
Clemson University
South Carolina, U.S.A.
dgpaz@clemson.bitnet
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From:         Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: election day comment
              3 Nov 1992 07:33:00 -0600 from <mlove@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU>

"Vote Often and Early,
"For James Michael Curley."

This, of course, referred to Boston politics some time before the Daly
machine of Chicago.

Anyone from Boston have anything to enlighten us?
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:02:07 EST
From:         Tom Powers <TPOWERS@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 75th OVi

     According to BATTLES AND LEADERS OF THE CIVIL WAR, the 75th OH,
under COL Andrew L. Harris and CAPT George B. Fox, was part of the
First Brigade (COL Leopold von Gilsa), First Division (BG Francis C.
Barlow) XI Corps (MG Oliver Otis Howard) at Gettysburg. The same source
shows the 75 as part of the 2nd Brigade, 1st div, XI corps at Chancel-
lorsville. They were commanded then by COL Robert Reily, who was
listed as killed in that engagement.
     Well, that's a start, I guess.
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From:         "steve mcnutt (z1ssm@ttuvm)" <Z1SSM@TTUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      75th OVi

    does anybody out there happen to have any information on the 75th regiment
ohio volunteer infantry (u.s. civil war)? at one point (i.e- aroiund the time
of gettysburg) they were part of corps xi,army of the potomac. I've got a very
limited amount of info and any additional facts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Steve
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