From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:59:46 GMT

In article <1dn2iaINN14m@mozz.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>'>And you can buy an A4000 for $2795.  Add MCA or EISA, LocalBus SVGA,
>'>and a SoundBlaster Pro to a 486-50DX2 and you will have a comparable
>'>system, but I'd bet the price is more than $2000.
>
>	I agree Skip, that 486 is probably going to cost what the A4000
>   does without a monitor.  But, that 486 is also going to have a much
>   larger HD, more ram, and a monitor.

Larger HD yes, maybe 2M more RAM.  As for the monitor, I'd like to see
Commodore bundle a cheaper alternative to the A1960.  The SVGA monitor
that I'm using has .28 dot pitch and handles up to 1024x768, but it
was less than $300 retail.  It may not work as well with the A4000 due
to its inabiltiy to sync down to 15kHz, but I don't expect that too be
much of a problem as I won't be using those modes.

>'>Like I care how Clone users feel!  This is an Amiga newsgroup created
>'>for the purpose of advocating the Amiga.  I'll bash Clones, Macs, Ataris,
>'>and any other machines if I so please.  Do you think that anyone really
>'>cares whether or not you prefer a Clone to an Amiga?  Not me, and I don't
>'>think that many Amiga Advocates do either.  You and your lot are a lost
>'>cause.
>
>	So this is what Amiga Advocacy has been reduced to.  Don't bother
>   to speak of the strengths of the Amiga, just indiscriminately bash every
>   other system out there, along with the people that use them.  I mean 
>   according to Amiga advocates anyone who bought a PC is not interested in
>   computers.  No wonder Amiga users have such a terrible reputation.  They
>   seem to consider themselves an elite class of people, looking down on
>   all others who don't agree that the Amiga is the greatest computer of
>   all time.

Sometimes you seem to take this group a little too seriously.  There are 
several other Amiga-oriented newsgroups that are geared towards serious
users.  This group is for folks such as myself who like to argue, often 
just for the sake of arguing.  As for Amiga users having a terrible rep,
please tell us more.  It has been my experience that most folks are so
ignorant that they have no idea what an Amiga is.

Yes, many of us do consider ourselves part of an elite group, but we also
welcome anyone who wishes to join.  Unlike most Clone and Mac owners, we
typically have experience using platforms other than the Amiga.  Due to
the popularity of the PC in the US, I write programs for the PC instead
of the Amiga.  I use a PC as much or more than an Amiga, but this has
done nothing except reaffirm my belief that the Amiga is superior.

>        There are probably many people who own other types of computers that
>   might read c.s.a.a to get a first impression of the Amiga and maybe learn
>   a little about it.  What are they treated to?  PC users, for example, are
>   called stupid many times here, along with other insults.  The same can be
>   said for Atari ST and MAC users.  Explain to me how this is advocating the
>   Amiga?  You so called Amiga Advocates are alienating the very people you
>   need to expand the Amiga market.  Real Nice.

Go check out the NeXT, Mac, OS/2, and Windows advocacy groups and tell me
that they are any different.  The only difference is that X is advocated
instead of Y and they are arguing about issues that we hashed to death long
ago.  As for calling PC and Mac users stupid, what do you expect when those
persons are bashing the Amiga?  Should we all just say "Oh well, the PC has
won.  Let's all dump our Amigas and get SuperDuperSVGASoundBlasted 786 OS/NT
EIEIOSA equipped PCs."?  I think not.

The funny thing is that the only PC owners who post regularly are folks who
have sold their Amigas and bought Clones.  Why is this?  Are you all afraid
that maybe you didn't make the right decision?

>							Greg Greene
>                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu


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