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From: boyko@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: renaissance florence
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:39:37 GMT

Greetings unto the Rialto from Layamon Vavasour, myrgan wood
pursuivant.

        A couple months ago, in my former incarnation as
a poster from mcimail.com, I had asked advice about hosting an
event set in 14th century florence . Two gentles replied, but,
alas, I no longer have their replies. If they be still willing,
could they please contact me here? the event is only ten months away,
and I had better start planning.
        If anyone else would like to help, they may feel free to offer
their services as well.

Gee, this in my first post directly onto the Rialto, instead of
via fidonet or mcimail. i hope my address is in the hearer. oops,
thats header. I am using a brain-dead line editor at the moment.

Layamon Vavasour, Myrgan Wood Pursuivant,
Myrgan Wood, Avacal, antir,
formerly 0005181681@mcimail.com (richard boyko)
now boyko@skyfox.usask.ca (at least that is the computer I
get my modem software to connect with.)
From: mikes@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Michael Squires)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: authenticity vs caffiends
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:52:44 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <721538534.F00003@ocitor.fidonet> Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring) writes:
> I also drink caffienated products at events to avoid excessive grumpiness and  other nasty nasty caffiene withdrawel symptoms, but I wait until about five  o'clock and then begin sipping coffee liqueur.  I brew it myself.  
>

One major reason Sir Alan was born in 1545 and spent years touring the
Ottoman Empire is that coffee houses were common in Constantinople by the
last quarter of the 16th century.  The first English coffee house dates
to about 1651.  
-- 

Mike Squires (mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu)     812 855 3974 (w) 812 333 6564 (h)
mikes@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu          546 N Park Ridge Rd., Bloomington, IN 47408
From: HZS@psuvm.psu.edu (Therion)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Email birthday party a sucess!
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:08:07 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


Note sent to me after Arden logged in to check her mail:

>All right you!

>I have a sneaking suspicion that If I check out the Rialto, I will find a
>notice about my birthday posted!  And I've got a further sneaking
>suspicion as to who posted it!  :-)

>Thank you!  ( I think - my mailbox is sorta full now  :-)

Okay, who spilled the beans? :)  My thanks to everyone who helped in the plot.
Arden mentioned getting 30 letters. Way cool. Thanks again.

                                                             Therion
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Subject: greetings
From: <AKP102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:21:35 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Greetings gentils, i was or still am in the shire of Bhein de na Phreas (under
Nithgard).  My societal name is Gisele Coeur de Lion.  However, being in colleg
e - what hell it is - I do not have time to attend meetings or events, which su
cks.  How do the rest of you college students do it all?  I'd like advice becau
se i really love being in the SCA.  In reply to the "you know you're in the SCA
 when" series...mine is "your friends won't let you watch  Robin Hood, or any o
ther movie with swords, fighting, or a medieval theme, because they are sick of
 hearing you say "That's NOT period".
Anyway I'd like to hear from you other college students to see how you  manage
your time.  Any and all advice will be appreciated.
Please reply NETNEWS or to AKP102@psuvm.psu.edu
From: japhet@romulus.rutgers.edu (APJ)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Greetings. . .
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:42:59 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


   Hello, out there!
 I am looking for my local SCa chapter. I am in Central Jersey, in Old Bridge
to be exact. (Between New Brunswick and Freehold). Thanks,
					
				Elen sila lumenn omentielvo,
				          RJ
From: gdaub@mcis.messiah.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: armor construction
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:01:35 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Greetings!
   I have long been interested in Medieval armor.  I had a few questions for
those on the Rialto who have some armor:

   1) What kind of armor do you use (padded, leather, chain, plate)?  I am
      fairly acquainted with armor terms, so feel free to be as detailed as
      you like.  I would also appreciate any information about the materials,
      like thickness, weight, etc.

   2) Where did you get your armor (did you make it or buy it)?  I would
      probably prefer to make my own rather than buy it (both for the fun of
      making it and to save money) but I might want to buy a hard-to-make
      piece here and there.  I would appreciate any tips on making armor as
      well as good places to buy some.

   Thanks.

   Mundanely,

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From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: The Society's Paradox
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:25:49

 "R> And, BTW, your description of the Paradox of the SCA seems to match 
 "R> quite well with what I perceive and remember having been told.  To 
 "R> deal with the paradox, as I see it we have several choices:

 "R> 1.  Do nothing. ....

 "R> 2.  Decide we're a fantasy organization. ....

 "R> 3.  Decide we really are what we say we are. ....


 "R> I don't actually like any of these possibilities.  Is there anything 
 "R> else?

 I am exceedingly fond of choice #3....

    Tadhg, Obelisk

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
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From: grimmund@edsi.plexus.COM (Grimmund Blackwing)
Subject: Re: Sharp, two-edged Swords: Roman period
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:02:21 GMT


Yep, nothing like stuffing that short little gladius into the 
abdomen of some bozo who's winding up for a swing to take the wind 
right out of his sails.  
	However, if you're looking for doco for something like a 
broadsword (defined here as a double-edged blade primarily for 
swinging vice stabbing, length 30-36" ) you're out of luck.
 	Ths shorter Roman sword, carried by infantry in the 1st century, 
was teh Gladius, cavalry carried a slightly longer Spatha.  Lots 
and lots of documentationand examples of each in any reasonable 
book on Roman military.  Both are double-edge cut and thrust 
weapons, well suited to work in a shield wall where swinging will 
leave you open but a quick thrust between your shield and your 
neighbors will ruin your opponent.
	What sort of effects are you looking for?  Generaly, any wound 
to the torso would be fatal.  Low hits in the abdomen will cause 
death by peritonitis within days.  Higher hits will catch a lung 
if you're lucky and don't hit a rib.  Inside thigh and inside of 
the upper arm are nice targets to stab at, as they carry major 
blood vessels and are not usually as heavily armored bevcause they 
are hard to hit with a swung weapon. Throat and face also come to 
mind when you're stabbing.  
	What you might want to do is find a local SCA group, and observe 
their fighter practice, if they have one.  There are lots of 
really visual and kinesthetic (sp?) things that can be demosntrted 
very well put are kind of hard to describe here.  Tlak to the 
fighters, and ask if they can give you more details, keeping in 
mind that what we do is not quite the same as what the Romans did.  
	Hope this helps.  Please excuse my typing, but it's cold down by 
the computer and my figers are kind of stiff. 

	Grimmund Blackwing, Chirurgeon (that's First Aid Person)
Queen's Own Shire of Windhaven, Northshield, Middle Kingdom   

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From: u883161@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Alex Tewes)
Subject: Hordes and Crowns
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:35:52 GMT

Greetings all upon the Bridge!  (what's the load bearing on this thing? :))

Some time ago i could swear I saw a post on a Horde member winning a
Crown Tourney.  

If I wasn't seeing things, could someone let me know who/where?  I've 
misplaced the article.

Thanks

Martin de Mont Blanc (mka Alex Tewes )                          

u883161@postoffice.utas.edu.au       	       	       	       	       	       	       	       	       	       	       	       	       	   
 
Shire of Ynys Fawr/ Lochac/ West       		(That is Tasmania, AUSTRALIA)                            

Purpure, four bendlets enhanced
and in base a Mullet of five, Or
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From: blplante@cvgis.prime.com (Brian L Plante)
Subject: Facsimile IL BALLARINO?? Where?
Organization: Computervision GIS (Toronto)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:36:29 GMT

The following information was current as of one year ago.

Broude Brothers Limited
141 White Oaks Road
Williamstown, MA 01267
(800) 525-8559
fax: (413) 458-8131

Cost of Il Ballarino & Gratie d'More was about $110 US a year ago when
I got my copies (for both).
The do take credit card orders over the phone.

Bjorn
-- 
Brian L. Plante

blplante@cvgis.prime.com
From: Godfrey de Shipbrook <jlee@smylex.UUCP>
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: What's an event? (was Re: OOP Dance/fun period dances)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:32:32 EST
Organization: Shipbrook Software  (Tampa, FL)

Greetings from Godfrey!

Henry Troup writes:
> 
> Do you mean Friday night, or Saturday afternoon?  I'm interested in
> knowing what the assumptions that go into 'event' are in various places.
> What I think I know:
> 
> Middle: events are generally all day Saturday, indoors, tourney, feast,
> court, dancing
> East: largely the same as the Middle
> West: lots of weekend-long camping events with tourney but no feast (do
> they dance?)

Trimaris:  Friday night through Sunday afternoon, tournies (heavy weapons
   and rapier), feast, court, dance.  Usually outdoors, generally with
   cabin space available for those who don't wish to tent.  Feast/dance 
   hall.

(Based, mind you, on my limited experience of but a few scant months...)

+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Net:  Jeff Lee / jlee@smylex.uucp / jlee%smylex.uucp@tscs.tscs.com     |
| SCA:  Lord Godfrey de Shipbrook / Wyvernwood, Trimaris                 |
|       Per pale azure and argent, a clarion counterchanged or and gules |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
"I object to all this sex on the television.  I mean, I keep falling off!"
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Live Roleplaying Games and the SCA
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:46:29 GMT

Justin writes:
>Re: LRPG as an SCA Splinter?
>
>Gwenllian speculates that Live Gaming groups seem to be an SCA splinter.
>
>Some might be, but many certainly aren't. The biggest LRPG group
>in this region, NERO, seems to have only minimal overlap with the
>Society (I only know of one or two cross-members), and the Interactive
>Literature groups (SIL & ILF), while having a rather higher crossover
>rate, were started by people with no particular SCA connection...
 
The lack of overlap (at least locally) between SCA and NERO is easily
explainable; they're playing different games.  The SCA is primarily
historically-based, while NERO is high-fantasy.  Both of them also
take up effectively as much time as you let them, much of it weekends
(I've long been interested in NERO, but it's rare that I don't have more
important (often but not exclusively SCA) plans for any given NERO event).
Similarly, the combat aspect of each is wildly different, but each (can)
involve a large time commitment for practice.  I personally know two
SCA/NERO overlaps (I live with them :), one of whom is a fighter.  They
make it to far fewer SCA events and practices than the people I consider
"active", but they do try to stay involved...
 
The overlap with SIL-style gaming is far less competitive (again, I speak
from my perception of *local* interactions).  SIL games are fairly rare,
as opposed to an average of 2+ SCA events a month within an easy travel
radius; they thus can be treated as "special events", and time allotted to
them preferentially, whereas NERO and SCA are in almost constant competition 
for "free" weekends (at least among the overlap).  Also, the amount of 
effort required to get involved and enjoy yourself is much less than for 
the SCA, at all levels except for those actually writing/running the game.
 
Yours Playfully,
Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
    "How does the prisoner plead?"
"Cerebus *demands* that you release him or he'll call upon his dark masters
 to turn you into a flock of pious pink toads..."
    "That's not a half-bad defence."        -- Cerebus 13

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From: brandon@gauss.math.brown.edu (Joshua Brandon)
Subject: Re: Persona Names
Organization: Brown University Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:44:17 GMT

Vincent writes:

    There is also the fact that herald generally want to avoid conflict
    with other registered arms, both SCA and mundane.  I haven't heard
    of situations where a SCAdian asked to use the arms of his mundane
    name, and the arms in question were period.  Someone else will be
    able to post on that.

Can't do it, it's a conflict.  Sorry.  (Among other reasons, only the
current head of the family, e.g. the senior direct male line descendant, is
actually entitled to bear the arms in question.  They belong to a person,
not a family.  However, even if you are entitled to bear them it is
considered a conflict with mundane arms.)

			---Simon
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From: niall@deepthought.unm.edu (Beastie)
Subject: Period Recipe Request
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 01:03:54 GMT
Organization: The University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM
Distribution: rec.org.sca

Greetings!

	Several years ago I and a few friends were treated to a wonderful 
meal by one (I hope I have this right-biting Nailz) Duke Cariodoc, at the 
time in Caid.  The food was terrific; however I was never able to snag a 
recipe for the Icelandic Chicken, or the savory cheese sauce.  As it turns 
out I will be Autocrating a large feast here in al-Barran (Albuquerque) in 
several months and I would dearly love to include these in the menu. If anyone
knows where I can locate said Duke (whom last I heard moved to Florida(?), or
If you have these recipes that I may copy them, I would be most grateful.

                     In service I remain,
                      Lady Helena Gabrielle, the Fortunate 
                        (Helene "Reesie" McNeill)
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From: vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: Re: Persona Names
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 08:40:14 EST

Curt Allread (callread@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu) has made inquiry into
three areas: creating a name, the use of heraldic arms, and the Christ-
ian or religious element in the SCA.

1.  Both name and arms will require documentation.  That means you must
    be able to show that your proposed name COULD have been in use dur-
    ing the period which the SCA covers.  This isn't as difficult as it
    sounds; some research into the history of names at your university
    library will work.  If you know people who are into genealogy, they
    may help as well, especially when it comes to documenting the evol-
    ution of your last name.
    This assumes, however, that you intend to submit your name as part
    of the registry in the College of Heralds in your local kingdom.
    (This essentially saves us the confusion of having two or more peo-
    ple running around with the same name.)  If you are unsure of your
    SCA participation, you may want to consider holding off on the name
    registration/creation until you know for sure that you want to stay
    in.

2.  Arms documentation is a little easier--someone in your local group
    who's a herald will help you out on that one.
    There MIGHT be a problem with using your mundane family's heraldry.
    however.  It depends on when that heraldry was registered; if it's
    after 1650, there may be problems.  Essentially you are confined to
    using elements that existed in the Middle Ages; elements that came
    afterwards are frowned upon.
    There is also the fact that herald generally want to avoid conflict
    with other registered arms, both SCA and mundane.  I haven't heard
    of situations where a SCAdian asked to use the arms of his mundane
    name, and the arms in question were period.  Someone else will be
    able to post on that.

3.  Granted, the Christian (especially Catholic, Orthodox, and Anglican
    denominations) influence was pervasive in medieval culture; however,
    the SCA does not endorse any religious viewpoint.  In events lasting
    over 24 hours, any religious ceremonies held (Christian, Moslem,
    pagan, etc.) are held privately.
    This has of course led to problems, especially conflicts among SCA-
    dians with strong religious viewpoints.  Your best bet would be to
    regard religion as a cultural influence ONLY, and act accordingly.

======================================================================
                            VICTOR WONG
                     vincent@micor.ocunix.on.ca
----------------------------------------------------------------------
            "Closed minds lead short lives."--Anonymous
======================================================================

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From: boyko@skyfox.usask.ca
Subject: millenium (i hear the groans already ;-) )
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:05:20 GMT

        Come to think of it, steve, perhapse we should start
celebrating the end of the century a bit early by starting on dec 31,
1999. this has been the roughest century since the 14th.
layamon vavasour, ducking and running.
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From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curtis Howland)
Subject: Re: Old English terms & period brewery
Organization: NASA Science Internet Project Office
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:16:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.141728.11955@bsu-ucs>, 
00dbroesinge@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
|> From Fthelwine the Dabbler unto all good gentles of the rialto, greetings.

And to you, m'Lord.

|> 	I've two questions:

Sadly, I have but one answer....

|> 2. One of the arts in which I've recently begun to dabble is brewing. 
|> 	Naturally, I would be much interested in any information concerning
|> 	period recipes and processes for the brewing of mead, wine, ale, and
|> 	the like. 

Lt. Colonel Robert Gayre
_Wassail!_In_Mazers_Of_Mead_
ISBN 0-937381-00-4
Latest pub date, 1986
Original, 1948

Highly recomended.

|> 						I thank you.

De Nada....

|> 						Fthelwine 

---
Christofer de Hoyland    howland@nsipo.nasa.gov 
Province of the Southern Shores,
Principality of the Mists, Kingdom of the West.
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From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)
Subject: Re: Grep'ing the Armorial
Organization: National Association for the Disorganized
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:17:32 GMT

Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim) writes:

>    Bertram wrote:
> DS> Would someone be kind enough to point me in the direction of
> DS> the program someone wrote specifically to do grep-style searches
> DS> of the armorial-I think it was for MS-DOS machines.

>It's called ASFA, originally developed by Lord Brian O Seanachain in Trimaris; he's in the process of turning the project over to me. E-mail me your Snail Mail address (yeah, I know, I had it once, but I don't save such things) and I'll send you a copy of the latest version.

  The copies I have recieved of the latest version of ASFA, 2.91 Beta, has a 
bug in it which allows you to check only one phrase.  This may be unique to my 
copy but please be aware of this before sending around copies of ASFA 2.91.
  Version 2.90, the next-to-latest version, does not have this bug.

		Alan Fairfax Aluricson, Fenris Herald
		Canton of the Riding of Hawkland Moor
		Barony of Northwoods, Midrealm
		atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu		**Magnitudo Vocis**
From: salley@niktow.canisius.edu (David Salley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: hot drinks
Summary: Hot Beer!  Yech!
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:52:30 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

Bjalfi Thordharson writes:
> One thing I'm curious about is the idea of heated ale--I've
> run across references to it in various places, none of them
> primary sources.  Has anyone out there tried it, and does it
> work?  I should think the stuff would go flat; but maybe that's
> not a concern.

Lamb's Wool uses hot cider as a base.  The recipe we were using, suggested
variants with hot wine and hot beer.  Our cook's guild tried them.  The
hot wine variant was ... shall we say an acquired taste?  The hot beer
version had to be pitched.  I'd can't post the recipe as a friend of mine
has borrowed all of my medieval cookbooks, she's taking a cooking course
and had to design a menu around a theme. ;-)

P.S.  The recipe also said the stuff would taste even better the next day.
We have yet to have a 5-gallon batch last longer than two hours. ;-)

                                                       - Dagonell

SCA Persona : Lord Dagonell Collingwood of Emerald Lake, CSC, CK, CTr
Habitat	    : East Kingdom, AEthelmearc Principality, Rhydderich Hael Barony
Disclaimer  : A society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
Internet    : salley@niktow.cs.canisius.edu
USnail-net  : David P. Salley, 136 Shepard Street, Buffalo, New York 14212-2029
Pirates of the Carribean Event - Dec 12 - Rhydderich Hael - Write for details.
From: HZS@psuvm.psu.edu (Therion)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Birthday greetings request
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:29:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92323.102914HZS
Organization: Penn State University

Greetings, all!

On the morrow, Lady Arden MacIlhatton will celebrate the xxth anniversary
of her first meeting the world. (Real gentlemen neither reveal nor inquire for
a lady's age :).  Arden is deep within the throes of writing her (2nd!) masters
thesis, and I thought that it might help brighten her day if I were to throw
her a surprise email birthday party by asking all of her friends on the Rialto
to send her a birthday greeting tomorrow.

If you know Lady Arden and wish to send her birthday greetings, email her
tomorrow (Thursday, 11/19/92) at:

                       blund.ils@mhs.unc.edu

Or even if you don't know her you can send greetings - she's a nice person and
will certainly appreciate them all.

                                       Thanks folks!
                                                        Therion

p.s. Oh, by the way - please don't tell her how you knew it was her birthday.
     It'll be fun to make her wonder. She's been a regular lurker on the Rialto
     for years, but right now I digest and forward to her the "interesting
     bits" since she's too busy to read everthing. If you don't tell her about
     this posting, she'll never know. #-]
                                          t
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