From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: [news.admin.policy]  Re: (repost) Serdar Argic FAQ - everything you didn't want to know, but he replied anyway
Followup-To: alt.censorship,news.admin.policy
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 23:43:26 GMT

[A repost - Carl]

Newsgroups: news.admin.policy
From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject:  Re: (repost) Serdar Argic FAQ - everything you didn't want to know, but he replied anyway
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 21:32:58 GMT

In <1993Jan2.183553.25393@news2.cis.umn.edu> molenda@i1.msi.umn.edu (Jason Molenda) writes:

>cudcv@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Rob McMahon) writes:

>>In article <iacovou.725924649@gurney> iacovou@gurney.cs.umn.edu (Neophytos
>>Iacovou) writes: 
>>>  Ahmet Cosar is a graduate student at the CSci dept. of the UofMn. He
>>>  operates a site by the name of anatolia.mn.org. The site anatolia.mn.org is
>>>  a member of .mn.org. The domain .mn.org exists because it provides services
>>>  to a number of hobbyests and small companies around the state of Minnesota.

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>The people who are running the news/mail are doing most
>(all?) of this in their free time and aren't some Evil Clearinghouse
>with the mission to provide dweebs with access to the net.

But they appear to be an Evil Clearinghouse with the mission to provide
dweebs netaccess because of their association to anatolia.mn.org and
zuma.

>Not necessarily.  Please read news.admin.policy if you haven't been
>following it closely -- both UUNET and UUM are in a sticky position and
>I don't think either will do anything.  If the justification is ``we
>don't like how his site is behaving'', I don't think either
>organization *should* do anything.  UUM is in the position of having
>their service interrupted because of the actions of anatolia.mn.org, so
>something may happen because of that, but don't hold your breath.  Cutting
>this guy off could set a rather nasty precedent.

I agree that cutting off a site because of content is wrong, but if
a site is endangering the other sites of a feed (as anatolia is doing
to the rest of mn.org) I would think that it would be entirely reasonable
to cut off that site.  Along the same lines, it is reasonable to drop
a user if that user is endangering the other users.  If you are poisoned
by a snakebite and are told that you can either lose your arm or your
life, why save the arm to lose the life?

>(more importantly, if mn.org drops anatolia, the Argic postings till get
>through uunet).

But this will disassociate mn.org from anatolia, which would be a Very
Good Thing (tm) for mn.org.

anatolia would then have to pay for a mail feed, and will be more likely
to curb serdar because anatolia will pay for all of the mail that will
be fed back to it from the posts.  If anatolia wants to pay for the
privilege of being flamed and mailbombed, then that's their business.

But as I said earlier, I feel that posters *should* have valid email
addresses where they can be reached.  If they are not willing to
accept email, then they should not be a newsite.
--
Ken Bibb                "he heard the snow falling faintly through the
kbibb@qualcomm.com	 universe and faintly falling, like the descent of
jester@crash.cts.com     their last end, upon all the living and the dead."
				--"The Dead", James Joyce

-- 
Ken Bibb                "he heard the snow falling faintly through the
kbibb@qualcomm.com	 universe and faintly falling, like the descent of
jester@crash.cts.com     their last end, upon all the living and the dead."
				--"The Dead", James Joyce

-- 
Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.
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