From: bcopelan@cs.strath.ac.uk (Barry Copeland TBS92)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.metallica
Subject: Re: Metallica Sucks --- No way!
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:24:08 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <1992Dec10.152447.24422@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
>Hey, spot the musical diversity! This list runs all the way through thrash, 
>speed AND death...what more could anyone want???
>
>Seriously, this highlights where the split in opinion occurs. It seems to me
>that the people who don't like the new album and accuse Metallica of 
>'selling out' are those who just like thrash, and don't like anything else.

Well I don't like the new album , but most would say I was fairly diverse,
listening to...

Led Zeppelin, John Lee Hooker,Tracy Chapman, RHCP , Tchaikovsky , Flotsam &
Jetsam, Met ('till new album) , Bolt Thrower , Paradise Lost , Cathedral ,
Godflesh , Muddy Waters , Deep Purple among others


>They can't handle Metallica writing a different style of music, and they can't
>imagine that anything *not* thrash could possibly be good. Whereas those of more
>diverse taste seem to be able to enjoy 'Metallica'.

Both myself and most of my mates are pretty diverse and we all think it sucks.
'Metallica' is fairly dull with nothing to keep it going for 65 minutes. It
starts fairly well with Sandman ,but the rest of side 1 is mediocre to crap.
Side two starts ok but the love ballad slows things down and actually seems a
bit out of place where they put it. The only other point worthy of a mention
on Metallica is 'My friend Of Misery'.


>'Metallica' is *not* a thrash album, Metallica  have always been more than
>'just' a thrash band. 'Metallica' is a mainstream metal album - and it's a
>very good mainstream metal album. In fact, IMHO, it stands head and shoulders
>over almost all of the mainstream metal albums I've heard in the last couple 
>of years (with the exception of the last couple of FNM albums, but I digress).

probably agree here, but then mainstream metal sector is pretty dead. We have
Maiden,ACDC, and well , outside crotch-rock , the genre is about dead. Not 
much competeion in this sector really.

>Thrash fans, face the fact that Metallica have moved on - maybe they feel
>they can't take thrash any further, maybe they don't want to take it any 
>further, maybe they just wanted a break from thrash before returning to it.
>I don't know. But accept that something that isn't thrash can still be good,
>and don't claim it's a 'bad' album just because it's in a different style.

Something other than thrash can be good ,yes, (see list above) but only if it
is *good*. I do not dislike 'Metallica' because it was a sell out -which it
was, trebling your music sales while making a more commercial album with extra
ballads  is more or less the definition of "selling-out" - I dislike it 
because it's a mediocre album .It fails to have any real highlights, inlike
KEA : Four Horsemen, RTL :For Whom The Bell Tolls, MOP : MOP,Battery,Welcome
Home and Orion, ...Ajfa : To Live is to die.

I am partly pissed off at Met (the band) for having sold out , but, frankly
I would probably have made a poorer quality (for Metallica )album if I was in
the same situation. When poor album = $$$ , who wouldn't???

Hopefully, however , Metallica having broken big will now go back to making 
good music , now that the mortgage has been payed off :-) .


>Mike


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Barrie Copeland         /"When a man lies,he murders some part of the world,
bcopelan@cs.strath.ac.uk/These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives
                        /All this I cannot bear to witness any longer           
                        /Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home" 
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