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From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Cannibaderm, anyone?
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:57:34 GMT
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA

In article <1992Aug23.002731.24464@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> flaps@dgp.toronto.edu (Alan J Rosenthal) writes:
>berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>>Marijuana has to be heated to activate the psychoactive components,

>You can get high from eating marijuana, though it takes much more of the stuff
>than smoking it does.

Correct, but the MJ still has to be heated first.  This is normally
done by a process known as either "cooking" or "baking".  Which one
depends on the exact nature of the food item(s) involved.
-- 
                
Rich Greenberg - N6LRT - 310-649-0238 - richg@hatch.socal.com
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From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Why crescent moons? (was Re: You are humble and loveable. CHOMP!)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:41:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.194759.216@sei.cmu.edu>, dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes...
>Okay, why *do* outhouses have crescent moons cut into the doors?

For what it's worth, when I was a kid our family had a cottage on a lake.
At the time most of the cottages didn't have indoor plumbing, still had
outhouses.  None of them had (have, some still stand) 'moons' in the door.
I don't think any had any openings in the door.  Either 'moons' were a local
thing, or an urban legend.  Or perhaps lack of moons were a local thing.

-Mike
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Spaghetti trees
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:23:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.220253.27951@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) writes:
>bogart@sabre.larc.nasa.gov (Ed Bogart) writes in
>Message-ID: <Btp1Mq.4Kr@news.larc.nasa.gov>  :
>>
>>No, realy, this was a send up or put on done by Ernie Covacs on his show
>>in the early 50's.  He did a lot of this stuff and I supose that some
>>people believed it.
>>
>>Ed "If you don't know who Covacs is, don't talk to me" Bogart
>
>ObUL:  People old enough to remember Kovack have early stage
>Alzhaimer's (sp?) and have forgotten how to spell his name.
>
>Jon "I may not know Alzeheimers spelling, but do know Kovack's" Papai

I hate to be gulible (sp?), but it's Kovacs.  Best known for his refusal
to pitch on Yom Kippur during the World Series.
-- 
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             ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | std disclaimers
             the university of chicago law skool, chicago, illinois
             it's log!  log!  log!  it's big, it's heavy, it's wood
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: North Pole (was The Flat Earth Society???)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:39:20 GMT

In article <08rpbfdf@csv.warwick.ac.uk> csuah@warwick.ac.uk
(~WISP at CU~) writes:
>I'm sure there are hundreds of people reading this group, wanting to ask
>the question, but afraid to look a fool. I've *always* been a fool, so:

Let me congrats you and the people who emailed me to ask as brave
people and not fools.

>        What *is* the latitude at the North Pole? I was always taught +90
>degrees (+ by convention, N is up on maps and so on), the angle that a radius
>of the imaginary sphere cutting the surface at the particular point
>makes with another radius at the same longitude cutting the equator...

One person pointed out that 0 is taken when for North for system
polar coordinate based systems (and S being 180).  But this isn't the
one used by most people.  As a hint: consider: What's the latitude of the
Equator?

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya

Actually, you are right.
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From: rka20423@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rubio)
Subject: Re: Just One Calorie...?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:27:02 GMT

kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux) writes:

>I can't remember where I had my most recent TAB, but I did have it in the last
>year (maybe Chicago?)....  What I want to know is whether Fresca still is made
>and sold.  Where is it?  

I just saw two students in front of me today in a lecture at University of 
Illinois, drinking Fresca....  so it's still out there, somewhere... :)

--rubio  (rubio@uiuc.edu)
From: 2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Jeffrey Dahmer's Parents Sued
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:30:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095FF93.F6D64280
Reply-To: 2429oconnorw@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

In article <Btv8vE.GGG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, neath@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Ian Neath) writes:
>I read in the paper that Jeffrey Dahmer's parents are being
>sued in civil court for not raising their child correctly.
>Apparently it is the parents of Dahmer's first victim
>(hors d'oeuvre?) that are suing.  Any confirmation?

As a student of Marquette University I take great pride of the fact that
I live 4 blocks from Dahmer's last residence ie. Jeff's Bar and Grill.  Also
any Dahmer updates are either in the local paper or school paper.  The answer
to your question is yes.  The amount that his parents are being sued for is
around $50 million if memory serves me correct.  The victim's parents are
charging that D's parents knew that their son was strange and would need
help...lots of help... and did nothing about it.  If things like this
keep we will have another influx of people wanting to see old Jeffrey.
Bill
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:56:13 EDT
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: mouse in Coors can
 <1992Aug26.174142.29091@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <17go7cINNr85@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
 <1992Aug28.160223.3590@colorado.edu>

See also FOAFtale News No. 14 (June 1989), a fairly interesting article by
Michael J. Preston of U. Colorado, Boulder, on an actual case in which a
Jacksonville, Florida, man tried to extort money out of Coors by opening a
can and inserting a mouse, then calling in press (he got 18 months).

Bill Ellis
FOAFtale News
"If you heard it first here,
   you weren't listening hard enough"
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From: prec@ellis.uchicago.edu (bruce lyman precourt)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Chef Boy-Ar-Dee commercial
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:59:26 GMT
Reply-To: prec@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Aug29.220535.15355@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>
>What about the National Lampoon commercial parody about Teddy Kennedy, if
>he had only driven a Volkswagen (which floats) with Mary Jo, etc.  Didn't the
>Kennedy family do some string-pulling to yank most of the copies of this
>off the newstands because they personally didn't like it?

No, that's not at all what it was. Rather, the VW people were pissed at
Nat Lamp because in the fake ad the VW logo appeared unaltered, exactly
as in a legitimate ad. Usually magazines like this get around potential
trouble by slightly changing the product-name or logo - you know,
like calling it a "Folkswagon" so it's obviously a parody, but not in this
case.
The part about recalling the copies with this ad sounds like urban legend
to me. As a matter of fact, I seem to recall the exact same ad, unchanged,
appeared in one of the "Best of Nat Lamp" compilations even _after_ the
trouble with it the first time.
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From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Spaghetti trees
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:50:10 GMT

The discussion of the spaghetti tree docu. reminds me of a similar docu.
I saw in the late sixties.  It was done by Hart Pomerantz and Lorne 
Michaels (later with SNL).  This was a story about the tragedy of "Dutch
Puck Disease", and how the majority of the hockey puck trees in Canada
had been affected, and this was having devastating effects on the year's
puck harvest.

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.
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From: snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes)
Subject: Re: Semen, NOT sailors!
Organization: Just put everything on the floor; I can find it.
Date: 28 AUG 92 16:39:28    


harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris) writes...

>Alright, folks, I think this has all the markings of an UL, but an
>acquaintance swears it's true. Supposedly some girl was found dead at a
>rock concert in Philadelphia with a QUART of semen in her stomach, back
>in the 70s.

*and* bower@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Tyson Bower) writes...

>I heard a similar story.  From what I heard, she was performing
>fellatio on many men (on a dare or a bet) out in the parking lot
>of the Spectrum, just before the Def Leppard concert last Friday.

Vintage AFU.  A story that supposedly took place twenty years ago flash
forwards to having occurred just a few days ago, all in the space of three or 
four postings.  

- snopes

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From: joanne@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Joanne Petersen)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:11:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Mnemonics
Organization: Hewlett-Packard PAITC Data Center
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban

Darn it, you'd think I'd learn not to post things while at work.....
several folks have written to correct my attribution of "tanj" (there
ain't no justice) from Heinlein to Larry Niven.   Sorry about that!
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From: spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Monty Python's 3-sided ?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:24:37 GMT

In article <m4wpbdsq@csv.warwick.ac.uk> csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~) writes:
>>
>>I heard it was a 3-sided record.  One side had a norm spiral groove with the
>>audio signal pressed into the vinyl.  The other side had two intertwined
>>grooves.  When you put the needle down you had a 50-50 chance of getting one
>>groove or the other.  So the second time you listened to the second side you
>>might hear a different second side.  Never saw or heard the album.
>
>It's definitely a true story: I've got the album. It's called "Matching Tie
>and Hankerchief", and if you play one side, you get one of two different
>tracks, depending on where you put the needle down.
>

That's right. I had the 3-sided cassette.


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From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Subject: Re: Price gouging in Florida and Guam
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:15:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.202137.27111@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bwatson@nyx.cs.du.edu (bruce watson) writes:
>I keep hearing on CNN that there is price gouging in the aftermaths
>of Hurricane Andrew and Typhoon Omar for necessities like ice 
>and food. Surely this is an urban legend like the Red Cross selling
>donuts and coffee to soldiers in Europe. I went through Hurricane 
>Camille in 1969 and did not encounter price gouging.
>
There is no UL about the price gouging.  Its happened here.

And not to get off the subject, I believe the story of the Red Cross charging
soldiers is true.  I meet someone who was there.
Also I know many people who have an intence dislike of the Red Cross for how
they acted in several disasters.  This dislike is from the personal experiences
of these people.  Instances of Red Cross denying aid or charging when groups
like the Salvation Army was giving stuff away.  My mothers family was hit by
a bad hurricane in the 20s.  My great-uncle, just a child back then, had only
a bathing suit for clothes.  When they asked for clothing from the Red Cross,
they said "he's got clothing" and wouldn't give any.


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From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Why crescent moons? (was Re: You are humble and loveable. CHOMP!)
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:57:48 GMT
 <l9nso3INNili@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM><BtM1My.CHy@acsu.buffalo.edu> <BERRY.92Aug26183423@athos.pei.com>

berry@athos.pei.com (Berry Kercheval) writes:

>Lovers of trivia will be interested to know that the heraldic crescent
>is invariably shown with the points or 'horns' facing up.

Then it's Astronomically Correct (AC), at least for a crescent moon
seen at night.

-- 
Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
From: cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Arrest that Lake!
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:46:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


I heard an intersting story from a friend who lives in Utah.

At some point in the past, the Great Salt Lake's level was running
well above normal.  Roads, factories, salt farms and the airport were
all in danger of innundation.  The residents demanded that the state
government take action, and the government responded by passing a law
making it illegal for the lake to rise above a certain level.

I think I've seen a reference to this law in one of those books
collecting a bunch of really odd laws, so I'm inclined to believe that
there is some basis for this story.  Of course, I haven't come up with
any hard sources, and I can't remember exactly where I think I've seen
it before.

I can think of three possible sources for the story:

1)  Since much of the lake running into the Great Salt Lake comes from
reservoirs in the surrounding mountains, there may be some sort of law
restricting the amount of water that can be released from the dams in
a high water year.

2)  In the mid-1980s, the state government installed some giant pumps
on the western shore of the lake to pump water from the lake out onto
the desert, where it would evaporate, lowering the overall level of
the lake.  (Honest--the evaporation lake even appears on most recent
maps of Utah; at least it appears on my Rand-McNally road atlas.)
This was in response to several exceptionally wet years, when the lake
level rose and did indeed threaten the airport and salt evaporation
ponds.   (As a sidelight, this whole incident was the source for a
number of pretty good jokes, including one about how Governor
Bangerter was planning to solve the Salt Lake City smog problem.  He
was going to install giant fans at either end of the Salt Lake
Valley.) 

3)  Legislators, under fire and exhausted from a late-night session,
actually passed such a law as a joke--and a way to demonstrate their
impotence before the forces of nature.

I'm curious if anyone, particularly people in Utah, have heard this
particular story and if there is any basis for it.  I'm also curious
whether this sort of story is told about other bodies of water in
other areas.

--Scott
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Tom Lehrer (was Re: Mnemonics)
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 13:57:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.202809.25902@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) writes:

>A friend insists that T.L. gave up performing because Werner Von
>Braun had sued him & won. Anyone else ever hear of such a suit?


Ha ha!  That's pretty good (if it's true).  I guess that's what you get
for openly insinuating that someone famous is a Nazi.

"Once they go up, I don't care where they come down!  That's not my
department, says Werner von Braun."   -- T. Lehrer.



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From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Summary: warning: urban legend content -> 0
Organization: Ostfold College
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:31:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.174016.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:

>In article <1SEP199205213404@venus.tamu.edu>, mfc1493@venus.tamu.edu (Ratboy) writes:
>>>>>>>}>>>>>>>IF THIS DOESN'T STOP, IM GOING TO START THE WORST CASCADE EVER.
>>>>>>>}>>>>>>WHILE EATING THIS SLOP, I SEWED THE FIRST BROCADE BEAVER.
>>>>>>>}>>>>>BILE FITTING RIG STOP, LIE SPEWED THIRST LIVER !!!!
>>>>>>>}>>>>IF YOU MUST CONTRIBUTE, AT LEAST DELIVER...
>>>>>>>}>>>WHO MAY I ATTRIBUTE TO THIS BEASTLY SLIVER?
>>>>>>>}>>TO SPAY A LUTE IN A GREASY RIVER
>>>>>>>}>DAMN CASCADERS THINK YOU'RE SO CLEVER
>>>>>>>}I WILL NOT CASCADE; NOPE, NO, NEVER
>>>>>>>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, ON A TRAIN?
>>>>>>WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, IN THE RAIN?
>>>>>R2-D2 ON THE BRAIN?
>>>>LOST TWO-FIFTY DOWN THE DRAIN.
>>>AND THEN AN ALBINO ALLIGATOR GRABBED IT.
>>WHO THEN HAD A WHINO REFRIGERATOR, DAMMIT?
>WITH CHEF BOY-AR-DEE SPAGHETTIO'S, CAN IT. 
THAT SAYS WE ARE ALL SO INFERIOR, FUCK IT
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From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Subject: Re: What makes an urban legend work?
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:20:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.163917.25301@pony.Ingres.COM> sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.145411.26996@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep2.130728.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>>>(Quick how-to on what I'm talking about. From MS Windows, fire up a
>>>Windows word processor: Write, e.g.  Select the Wingdings font. Now
>>>type "NYC."  You should get the icons [StarofDavid,Skull&Bones,ThumbsUp]).
>>
>>	If it's true, it is pretty sick.  I doubt highly that it's some
>>coincidence either.  Just goes to show how incredibly BAD MS is despite all
>>their sales.. They have no-brained PC users thinking they are the end-all of
>>software programming.
>
>Actually, it's not true. The StarofDavid and Skull&Bones are transposed.

So if you type YNC, you get the heinous suggestion? Gee, it *must* be an
anti-semitic conspiracy if the people who did it can't even spell NYC...

The Wisp. [Isn't there a combination that means "get a life, George..."]
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From: bldrnr@deeptht.armory.com (Brian Hurley)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: SHOCKING STORIES
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:38:07 GMT
Organization: The Armory

>Whilst I'm on the subject (probably this is not the place for it but here goes
>anyway) has anybody else noticed the way droplets of coffee often run around on
>top of the main volume of coffee in a filter machine? I wondered whether this
>was a related effect. The droplets must be in some equilibrium because they can
>exist for up to a couple of seconds before disintegrating.

No this is a surface tension effect. At times the coffee drip will kick off
a bead that has a relativly high horizontal velocity, but almost no vertical
velocity. The bead will run around until it loses enough momentum to settle
onto the coffee.  I've experimented with this a bit, even cold tap water will
do this.  Oddly it seems to be easier to do when there is dish soap in the
water.  Lightly flicking a finger in a sink full of water will do the trick.

	- Brian
		bldrnr@deeptht.armory.com
From: yenamand@giga.cs.umn.edu (Murthy yenamandra)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: B12 (was Re: What makes an urban legend work?)
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:49:12 GMT
Organization: :noitazinagrO

In article <1992Aug29.092638.22717@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>obfactoid:  Some "health food" people stay away from meat for years and slowly
>get B12 deficiency.  They have children who die soon after birth from the
>complications of total B12 deficiency because unlike the parents, the infant
>never had a B12 store to slowly use.  There is an ongoing debate as to whether
>there is a "natural" B12 supply not derived from meat, and a "quest" for an
>alleged vegetable source that is an obscure plant, etc.

How about dairy products? I don't think staying away from meat alone
would cause all these problems - I was raised a vegetarian and my family
and ancestors, as far as anybody can remember, were vegetarians. I can
assert confidently that I DID NOT die soon after birth. A good thing to
remember is that most of the people who consider themselves vegetarians
are lacto-veg.

Murthy

--
Murthy Yenamandra	|    "I close my eyes and all the world drops dead;
Dept of Comp Science 	|     I lift my lids and all is born again.
Univ of Minnesota	|     (I think I made you up inside my head.)"
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From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Subject: Re: Clio Awards
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:16:38 GMT

In article <X1RIN7C@taronga.com>, arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) 
writes:
>In article <Btoo7E.8Dt@well.sf.ca.us>, casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:
>> 
>> No, nothing scandalous.  The guy who owned Clio Awards went out of business.
>
>Hm?
>Was a big scandal.  The guy spent all the money on frivolous things.
>Screwed a lot of people out of their investment.  Then became unavailable 
>so nobody knew what was going on.  This after all the arrangements had
>been made.  People hired to do things (like cater the affair) were refusing 
>to do so unless they were paid up front.  It was a big joke, albeit an 
>unfortunate one.

Those frivolous things, as I recall from an article I read a year ago, included
cocaine and pretty boys.  And yes, all this was a huge scandal.

Katie
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