HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Scott Wentzell 20-Aug-1992 0931 <wentzell@mr4dec.enet.dec.com>
Subject: INFO ON REFUNDS (ONE QUESTION ANSWERED)
Reply-To: wentzell@mr4dec.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:34:01 GMT

Andrew Germaine askes:

|QUESTION! I would rather not mail back all 6 boston tix in just a plain
|envelope. Will GDTS accept registered mail or simply insured mail
|for sending the refund tix back? Cause those tix, good or no,
|are still worth their face value until stamped VOID...
|Id hate to lose them in the mail.

I talked to someone on the MO problem line, she said to photocopy your tix 
before you send them to cover yourself in case they are lost.  I didn't ask 
specifically about registered or insured.  I guess that's not really an 
answer, but it's a start!  8^)

Also, she said you could send back all your tix (i.e. Veneta, Shoreline, 
Boston, etc.) together.

Scott
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Does Garcia etc
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:42:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.150632.7116@nntp.uoregon.edu> nsax.uoregon (Norma Sax) writes:
>i'm not flaming you, but don't you think Jerry should take care 
>of himself because everbody needs in order to be healthy and
>lead a happier, more productive life? jerry's not a commodity,
>he's not in service to us. he's not obligated to take better care
>of himself so he can make music for us...he's only obligated to 
>himself and to be a healthy person for himself. let's not blame
>him, let's support him in his efforts to lead a healthier lifestyle.
>
>so let's give him all the time and space he needs to recover. let's
>stop whining about when the band will play again.
>
>norma sax

THANKS Norma, I was going to say the same, but thought I'd give
everyone a break from my opinions.

And hey folks you'll survive missing a show or two, I do it on
a constant basis and I'm still keepin' on keepin' on:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 
>TODD|-ODD-|:-)                   |         Nothing Left To Do But  <
>brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu  /|\             :-) :-) :-)        <
>dtodd@well.sf.ca.us            / | \                               <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: John Perry Barlow <barlow@icecube.pinedale.wy.us>
Subject: Re: net-rumor
Reply-To: barlow@icecube.pinedale.wy.us
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:19:30 GMT


THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT FOUNDATION. PLEASE REMOVE IT AT ONCE.

Bobby said nothing of this sort to me. Even had he done so, I would have  
known better. 


Jerry's current condition presents no immediate threat either to him or to  
the Grateful Dead. It is, however, a sufficiently serious warning to merit  
cancelling the immediately upocoming shows so that he could have time to  
rest, get some exercise, and generally regain his health. 


| Begin forwarded message:
| 

| Subject: net-rumor
| To: barlow@slipknot.eng.pyramid.com (John Barlow)
| Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 10:42:22 PDT
| From: pc@pyramid.com
| Reply-To: pc@pyramid.com
| X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0]
| 

| Hi John,
| 

| Just saw this bit pop up on rec.music.gdead.  Any truth to this?
| If not, maybe you should debunk this in person before these get out
of
| control. :-)
| 

| ----------
| Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
| Subject: Fate of the Grateful Dead
| Message-ID: <1992Aug19.154808.15190@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>
| Date: 19 Aug 92 15:48:08 GMT
| Sender: mmdf@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU (Mail System)
| Reply-To: trwei@pica.army.mil
| Organization: The Internet
| Lines: 25
| 

| Hey folks,                     

| 

| Take this with a grain of salt if you choose.  I don't
| usually believe in 3rd party rumors but what I heard last
| night really upset me.  I have a friend who is a NeXT machine
| user and she knows a lot of people who are involved with it. 

| One of the people she knows is John Barlow (sp?) who is a
| writer for the NeXT magazine and for the Grateful Dead.  If
| you don't recall, some of the songe he help write are
| Throwing Stones, Mexically Blues, Hell in a Bucket. 

| Anyway, he and Bob Weir are good friends and (here comes
| the "he said, she said" part) my friend said that John said
| that Bob said that this may be the end of the band as far as he
| can tell.  DON'T GET EXCITED.  This is not definite but a
| posibility.  I don't know who else Bob told this to or what
| mood or frame of mind he was in at that time but this is just
| Bob's prediction and it is also just a rumor I heard last
| night.  Let just hope Bob is wrong and hold the flaming down
| to a minimum.  Take care folks. 

| 

| Tony
| ----------
| 

| pc
| 

| --
|       -m---------    Patrick Connor           Pyramid Technology   

|     ---mmm-------    (408) 428-8819           3860 North 1st St.
|   -----mmmmm-----    pc@pyramid.com -or-      San Jose, CA           

| -------mmmmmmm---    uunet!pyramid!pc         95134              

| 

| 

From: chan@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Chan Benson)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:50:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Grateful for Olympic Silver
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead



And don't forget about the Grateful-Dead-sponsored Lithuanian b-ball
team picking up a bronze.

Now that would be a shirt to have.

			-- Chan
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: bush, (and 1996)
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: NY home for wayward dats
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:42:32 GMT

One problem with posting annoying and irrelevant politics to the net
is that people will point out your stupidities.

In article <4726@balrog.ctron.com> mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes:

>I'm sure 25% of the population of New York City would agree (that's the
>latest welfare figure;

The latest welfare figure is about 1 million.  The population of New
York City is about 7 million.

>And I've said it before, but I just don't see political discussion as clutter 
>here.

I do.

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com



Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: Field Trip Sort of Maybe
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:15:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.154839.22358@nntp.uoregon.edu> nsax.uoregon (Norma Sax) writes:
>The radio announcer just said that one of the Keseys (I couldn't 
>tell if she said Kit or Ken) said
>they're thinking of having the Field Trip anyway wi the local 
>bands who were going to appear.

According to David Gans on the Grateful Dead Hour last night, the Field Trip
is OFF.

REPEAT: There will be NO Field Trip.

I trust David's word on this.

   \_\_\_                               \
    \_   \_          \_                 /   -Pete Zakel
     \_   \_  \_\_    \_     \_\_       \
\_\_  \_\_\_ \_   \_ \_\_\_ \_   \_     /       phz@cadence.com
       \_     \_\_\_    \_   \_\_\_     \    or
        \_     \_        \_   \_        /       ..!uunet!cadence!phz
         \_      \_\_      \_   \_\_    \

Any fool can paint a picture, but it takes a wise person to be able to sell it.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Correction to "Life After The Dead" announcement!!!
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:39:39 GMT

In my haste to get this info out, I screwed up!

The correct dates are Saturday August 22 and Sunday August 23.  
                             
Sorry.

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ecec@quads.uchicago.edu (Eric Cabot)
Subject: Re: Big Big <sigh>
Reply-To: ecec@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:52:20 GMT

Hi REB,
  Just to remind you how bad it could get: "THE DEAD SUCK".

DISCLAIMER:
  The opinions expressed above are not the official opinions of
the U. of C. (I hope).

-- 
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=v=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
    Eric Cabot                         |       "Non Nobis Nati Solum" 
ecec@midway.uchicago.edu               | 
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=v=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: joemac@eff.org (joemac)
Subject: Dr. Baker
Followup-To: rec.music.gdead
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:09:27 GMT

>
> According to Jerry's physician, Dr. Randy Baker ...
>

If this is the same Dr. Randy I know, Jerry could not be in better care.
Randy is a homeopathic physician with an MD from Stanford and a great guy.

Rest and Heal Jerry!
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Brian Jeffrey Cook <bjpc@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: glad ya'll had fun.....
Reply-To: bjpc@engin.umich.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:24:46 GMT

as the subject line says, glad ya'll had fun ripping apart my ideas.
hey it really doesn't bother me, but i have to admit your responses were
quite funny!!
in fact i got quite a kick out of them.  
first of all, there are too many responses that were posted for me 
to respond to.  it would be a waste of time for me too, cuase you can probably
imagine what i ouwld say.
second of all, ya'll brought out some really abstract and messed-up issues,
that responding to you would be outrageous.
third of all, there was as much diversity in all of your responses that
some of you are just as 'far out' as me.

i still am waiting for someone to support clinton/gore or some of the other
candidates/

in response to all of you who think i am off the wall, read some of your
own responses.  they are really humorous.....

further, i am not an english major, and some of my sentences have been
a bit choppy and rough, so forgive me for all of my english mistakes.
i am glad that you pick on my english mistakes and totally ignore your
own ignorance (yes i used the base ignore twice in one sentence...) in
politics.
you guys act as the national media.  get my english mistakes but ignore the
issues.
quite interesting......

in any case i hope all of you had such fun ripping apart my issues, cause i had
fun reading the stupid responses that i received.

in reference to the e-mail/net controversy that i have seen.  the reason i have
posted to the net my issues, cause it is impossible with the terminal i am using
to create files and sending the same response to all of you.  so i posted
my response to hopefully reduce net traffic.  thanks to al of you
who posted to me on e-mail!! :-)

ODC:  article on MTV news on the dead cancelling the shows in cali and veneta.
also article in yesterday's SYRACUSE news paper on same topic.

peace, conservative style and am glad that the liberal faction on the net
do not have control of any important governmental position and further am 
glad to see that all of you want the bums thrown out in congress (whom are most
of all democrat...) which would return a republican congress :-) :-).....bjpc

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: boccibob@media.mit.edu (Robert Ramstad)
Subject: Boston Garden floor layout
Reply-To: boccibob@media.mit.edu (Robert Ramstad)
Organization: MIT Media Lab
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:03:28 GMT

Just got my series I Boston Garden mail order, finally, and I scored 
Floor BB for Sunday...

Anyone got a floor diagram?  I know that the one which was posted here
is incorrect, as I had Floor DD last year, and that section didn't
even appear on the map posted here.  Floor DD was phil side, about 3/4s
the way back.

Bob

PS Obviously they might set up the floor differently this year, but I'm
just curious... I might be holding 8th row tickets!

PPS Thanks for all the mail from people sympathizing with my impatience
about getting my tickets... as you said, I just needed to calm down
and think positive thoughts.

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Announcing "Life After The Dead" Eugene, August 29 and 30
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:20:01 GMT

"Life After The Dead"

weekend of August 29 and 30
Conde Lumberyard, Harrisburg, OR
between Eugene and Coburg - Take I5 exit 209

$5/day
$15/weekend - includes camping!  
No re-entry.

Gates open Saturday at 9pm.  Festival ends Sunday evening.

Bands:

Dead Ringers (Tom Constanten + others)
Little Women
Clan Dyken
Renegade Saints
International Anthem
Hairy Mamas
+ some surprises
+ many more 

Other entertainment includes Ken Kesey and his "Magic Bus" and other
surprises.

There will be food booths and other vendors.

There is water on site.

This is a smaller festival (5000-6000 people) to take the place of the
cancelled Third Decadenal Field Trip.  It has absolutely nothing to do
with Oregon Country Fair or Field Trip Productions.  This is a
community/family event.  The purpose is to recoup some of the economic
losses to the community and turn an unfortunate situation into a good
time.

For additional information, call Bill Conde at 503-995-6164.  I suggest
you think twice before calling him.  He has less than 100 hours to get
this whole thing together.

I will post more details as soon as I get them from the promoter.  This
is all the info I have.  Please do not send me email regarding this.

There is absolutely no connection between myself or my employer and the
producers of this event.
From: duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: St. Stephen music structure (was Re: Questions for musicologists)
Date: 14 Aug 1992 00:37:30 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thismoment.corp.sun.com
Keywords: musical analysis alert

In article <1992Aug13.225523.11477@seas.smu.edu> quaglia@seas.smu.edu 
(Bruce Quaglia) writes:
>>Hmmmmmm.  II - V - I ?  I don't quite see it... I may be wrong but it looks
>>like   V - IV - I  to me - even more common than II - V - I...  It's a basic
>>blues turnaround that hangs on the V... 

> I may have just fucked up a little here. E D A E is II I V II in the key of
> D major <assuming E major is a secondary dominant substitution for the 
> normally minor ii chord>

I don't hear it in D major, I hear it in E mixolydian.  It starts and ends
on E - do you folks really hear D or A as the tonic?

Looking at it this way, E D A E is   I  IV-of-IV  IV  I.  The "IV-of-IV"
is what I think of as a secondary sub-dominant, analogous to the secondary
dominant "V-of-V".  It's not at all common in "classical" music but it's
an absolute cornerstone of rock.  (cf.  "Gloria", "Fortunate Son", "I Know
You Rider").  Some prefer to call the IV-of-IV a bVII, which is also correct 
but which obscures the cadential relationship.

In general, the sub-dominant to tonic progression or plagal cadence
plays a much bigger role in rock than in classical.  Hence, the concept
of secondary sub-dominants is as valid in rock analysis as the concept
of secondary dominants is for classical analysis.

>...but if it's in A your progression is V IV I your 
> right, but your also wrong because thats not a common progression, 

Again, perhaps not in classical music but it is fairly common in rock.
(cf. "Werewolves of London", which is nothing but V IV I for the entire 
song.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: S0SKAG01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu
Subject: Deadicology
Reply-To: S0SKAG01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:19:22 GMT



A few comments:

Wharf Rat has become more poignant as the problem of homelessness has
increased. I've always enjoyed the 'drone' in WR, but what makes this
song a delight for me is the rising hymn-like bridge, Gonna get back...
It states in both words and music the fantasy of getting back in the
good life. The reference to 'church music' and the 'Good Lord willin
if he says I may'... all comes together to create a really tight sense
of the homeless alcoholic's psyche.

I remember seeing McCoy Tyner in the mid '70s. Also at that time, I caught
John McGloughlin and Shakti. These were groups that were very 'open'
in there improvisational style. Legion of Mary came to town (Atlanta)
and the atmosphere was just scintillating. I think one reason the Dead
(and Garcia in particular) are able to produce an incredible welling of
emotional release is that they generally begin from a very accessible base.
I mean that the fundamental tune is fun, or pretty, or solid rhythmically.
Then from this solid platform comes the ether. The distance covered is so great
and the stuff going on suddenly multiplies, mutates, dissolves, pours into
the slipstream...

As I type this, I'm listening to Gloria from 5-23-92. It's trying to be
somewhat tight, but it can't be really tight because the Dead can't help
being the Dead (injecting little idiosyncrasies into the music) and they
make this earthy song sound like... well put it this way...When the Doors
do it you know every detail of Morrison's fling. You are on the bed with them.
When the Dead do it, the ceiling is opening up and you're hearing
celestial choirs. Now, nobody can beat Jim Morrison's Gloria, (not even
Van Morrison) - the physicality and sexual explicitness of this very
simple song. But even on this most 'physical' of songs, with the Dead you
get a 'head trip'. The point is, dance all you want but the Grateful Dead
are centrally mind music.

Steve Skaggs
Louisville
From: JB3YRHMC@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu (Josh Braveman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: News of the Weird
Date: 14 Aug 92 02:02:32 GMT
Reply-To: JB3YRHMC@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu
Organization: The Internet

From Washington Ciry Paper 8/14/92

In Noblesville, Ind., Judge William Hughes agreed to move his
courtroom one night in June to a van outside Deer Creek Music
Center so that the expected rowdy fans arriving for a Grateful
Dead concert could be processed immediately upon their arrest
for drug posession and other crimes, rather than having to
wait overnight.  "It's almost a courtesey to them," said
the judge."

some favor :-)

Josh

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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: "daniel j. slive" <DSLIVE@brownvm.bitnet>
Subject: grateful intergallactic arkestrations
Reply-To: DSLIVE@brownvm.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:39:53 GMT

Aound the time the dead.rec.tech.music discussions began (hurrah!) there was
a brief mention on the net about Sun Ra.  I've thought about him and his band
and the Grateful Dead and various connections between them.  I haven't seen
much at all written about the two groups but there are some interesting
commonalities:  musical and otherwise:
Sun Ra has been playing *outerspace* music for a long time/has kept a band
together (in various permutations) since the late 50s,early 60s/many (all?)
of the members live together with Sun in a house in Philly/Sun Ra has released
many albums/tapes/CDs? on his own Saturn label/great playing/humor/More?
The last time I saw the intergallactic arkestra (in Boston last spring) Sun
was in a wheel chair at his piano but still directing the festivities.
*Any other insights out there?  Musically there are also more connections
involving ritual (also check out the Art Ensemble of Chicago for this), open-
ness of form/possibilities/improv.*Any comments or thoughts?*Dan Slive.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Mike Rodrigues
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:45:53 GMT


haven't you guys ever seen an account broken into before?
doesn't seem like it was that long ago that this same
thing happened here.  and as i recall, the source was
the WELL's machine.

Rule #62: Don't take yourself so damn seriously!

Steve-TOO
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: wac@world.std.com (william a colbert)
Subject: Maxell address
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: all
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:48:16 GMT
From: david@c-cat.UUCP (dave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: terrapin station bbs
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:23:57 GMT
Organization: Intergalactic Rest Area For Weary Travellers

DBUDZAK@IVY (Doug Budzak) writes:

> Does anyone out in the vast listening audience dial in to the Terrapin
> Station BBS in Darien CT? I have been trying for over a week now, and
> cannot get in. Before I tear my modem apart, I'd like to find out if
> there's a problem on the Captain's side. Thanks for any info; reply to
> DBUDZAK@IVY.

I think Terrapin Station went down, and all the FTP stuff was moved to another
site. anybody know for sure ? and if so where the FTP stuff was moved to ?


                                                       -David

China Cat System     
(301)604-5976 8N1
david@sandr.com
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Might makes right
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:34:06 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug20.052450.6586@seas.smu.edu> quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia) writes:
>Well, I could be mistaken, maybe the fact that I'm 6'4" and built made
>them *pretend* they didn't know where it came from...

	This is the second time in the last week I've seen "I'm so big and
macho that I can do what I want" here.  (How come all these guys are 6'6"
and muscled like Conan, anyway?)  I know I shouldn't expect all Deadheads to 
be peaceful but I have to admit being uncomfortable with the idea that so
many of my fellow travelers are quick to resort to the primitive and karmically
negative paths of violence.

	Take this smoking thing: Smoking has been illegal in indoor venues
for years and years.  But people *always* smoke there.  To my way of
thinking the people smoking should be an accepted fact.  If you really
can't deal with the smoke then you probably shouldn't come.  Until more
people become educated to the stupidity and danger of their habit that's
really all you can do.  The kind of vigilatism that quaglia advocates is no
different than the self-appointed highway patrolman who drives 55 in the
left lane and won't move over " 'cause *I'm* going the legal limit and
_you_ just want to break the law so fuck you".

>'cause I don't travel to shows anymore. 

	Well, since you don't travel to shows anymore and the Dead haven't
played Texas for five years and you're like maybe 20 years old just how many
times have you "for real" tried your cute little tricks?  And just how do
you go about living in Dallas and never ever driving (*nothing* in Dallas 
is within walking distance of anything else in Dallas...) ?   I wonder how
much of some people's lives is in their own heads and how much happens out
in the world...

	For what it's worth I offer my experience with avoiding smoke:  It's
much less smoky on the floor.  It's also usually much clearer in the hallways.
If the show is indoors and not GA and you don't have floor seats and you can't
be a hallways person then you shouldn't go if smoke bothers you.  You can't
get these people to stop; even blatant police actions like Pittsburgh or
Landover can't eliminate it.  Like everything else education of the offenders
is the answer, not prohibition and the violence necessary to enforce
prohibition.
								W.rat
From: mboucher@cortex.prospect.com (Mike Boucher)
Subject: Boston Series II arrive, ARRRGH!
Organization: Cortex Corporation, Waltham, MA, USA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:05:28 GMT
X-Posted-From: cortex.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hey there,

Now that the tour is cancelled, I get my Boston II tickets!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Kinda figured that GDTS would go on hold when shows started to be canceled, but
apparently not.

c'ya

Mike
-- 
Mike Boucher			mboucher@cortex.prospect.com
Cortex Corp			"Don't take life too seriously, you'll never
Waltham, MA, USA		 get out of it alive!"