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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:43:37 EST
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: e m forster
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> Well, Forster is an idiot, of course.
> tushar

Welll, I have to admit I didn't get all the way through A Passage to
India, but I rather liked what I read.  Is that not politically
correct, my dearest Mahalingam....er, Tushar??? :):):)

Your most affectionate list angel,
Karen
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From:         STU DENENBERG <DENENBSA%SNYPLAVA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Nothing

>
>>From: Alison.Smith@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
>>
>>Hey dad those were great-it topped off my evening at the computing center-boy
>>I hate this place.  You sounded a little down on the phone the other night-
>>were you in bed or just in a bad mood or didn't you feel like talking to me!
>>Well I am always excited to talk to you, dad! I just finished another
>>program and again it didn't work.  I give up.  Well gotta go BYE Al
>>
>
>  Okay this is TOTALLY bizarre.  I think I told everyone how a few of
>us on MISC got into royal shit with the MISC population (of which there
>was about 7) because Alison Smith sent a letter to her father to MISC
>instead of mailing it to him, and then I responded to this as her father
>and someone else responded as her boyfriend and so on and it went on
>and on with ridiculous allegations of drug abuse, pregnancy, cross-dressing,
>violence and so on.  It was pretty funny to most of us, and some people
>really really got angry, ridiculously angry.
>
>  Anyway, Alison Smith was never heard from again.  I can't believe that this
>is happening again, here, on WORDS-L.
>
>  Wait'll Rocko and Filmor X. Smith hear about this...
>
>Steve

Steve:

Boy am I glad you responded to this before I did.  I was going to cal it
"clutter"
        Dr. Stu
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              14 Apr 92 10:01:00 -0500. <9204142319.AA18926@sics.se>

  Neal asks:

  >Do I have it right?

  I don't know; I got too confused by your table. But the long and the
short of it is that Swedes, Danes, and Norwegians understand each other
perfectly well, though on some occasions it's easier than on others.
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:51:00 EDT
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought
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>I *know* modern students are exposed to far more information than
>we were as children, but I can't help thinking that they've missed a
>great deal...they've not discovered the joy of reading.  One of the
>greatest gifts my parents gave me was a love of reading...I wish I could
>give it to these children, but I'm afraid it's a little late.
>
>Does anyone else agree, or am I indeed overreacting?
>ndh

As a modern student, I agree.  I don't remember my parents ever
reading to me*.   I'm almost positive my sisters did;  in fact, I'm
sending a copy of this message to one of them to see if she remembers
doing so or not.  Mainly what I remember is finding all of my
sisters' childhood reading books in the bookcases and reading them
myself.  I was a voracious reader--in kindergarten I was reading at
the second grade level, and I remember in 4th grade being yelled at
by my teacher to stop going to the school library so much--apparently
it interfered with my classwork.  What I read I don't recall very
well--I'm sure the Encyclopedia Brown series was right up there,
as well as many of Natalie Babbitt's works.  I still read a lot, but
now it's mainly coursework and email.  The last good book I read was
_The Grass Crown_ by Colleen McCullough, and that was at the
beginning of the 1991 fall semester.  Getting back to the point, I do
have the joy of reading, but I think it was more self-induced than
anything else.

While I was cleaning my room tonight (boy, did it need it), I came
across a book of e.e. cumming's poetry that I bought at the end of
last summer.  I do believe I'll relax a little this weekend and read
some of it.

...Adam (ahartfie@{drew, drunivac}{.bitnet, .drew.edu})

* This may have been because they divorced in 1976 when I was 4.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:37:00 MDT
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Obfuscative Enigmas (was Calling All Students of Russian)

Sayeth        Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.UUCP>

> But yes, a machine was stolen.  Not exactly sure by whom though, or
> whether it was in fact as pivotal as has often been claimed.  In
> espionage, you can never be sure you've heard the final version of
> the story...

     Or even if the versions told have any basis in reality.  My
paternal grandfather was a 'clerk' for the CIA and my father did some
intelligence work.  I understood 'need to know' without it ever having
been explained to me.

     My source was a discussion with someone who had read _A Man
Called Intrepid_.  I went to the campus library to check up on the
story, and I found that it was neither checked out nor available, a
common situation with books there.  Maybe someday this campus will get
a real library.

The Ronin
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: A Modest Proposal
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Judith,

As usual, wise and eloquent.

Yours,
Dr. Anne Harwell, BwP
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 12:25:30 -0500
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change
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> Spoiled Meat said:
>
> > Great!  smoked a linguist out of the woods.
>
> Natalie is a linguist, too.  That is why she was so vocal in her
> discussion with you.  She is just calmer than I am, and more polite,
> coming from the South and all.
>
> Karen

Under the circumstances, Karen, I thought you were also quite polite.
ndh
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Date: 17 Apr 92 13:41:22
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In-reply-to: Tushar Samant's message of Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:02:40 CDT

   In short, DON'T rush to put the most trivial construction on what people
   say. And please don't reply with trivialities once in a while.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hah!  Says the Grandmaster of Triviality in his eternal search for
BWP coronation!

//anne, who finds Tush's postings erudite and interesting perhaps even when
they're questing for BWP fame//

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From:         Fredric <FDOLEZAL%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change
              16 Apr 1992 22:18:06 EST from
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On Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:18:06 EST Karen Kay said:
>
>hmmmm....i'm a linguist, and i talk about slang all the time.  i think
>of it as a technical term.  gosh, i guess four degrees in lx isn't
>enough to make me a real one!
>
Great!  smoked a linguist out of the woods.  And how do you talk about
slang?  Technically speaking of course.

Say hi to Bob Mlke for me.
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From:         Tony Harminc <TONY%VM1.MCGILL.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Mail bar codes

On Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:19:00 PST Lobstrosities Unite said:
>Does anyone know how to read the bar codes found on mailed envelopes these
>days? Or at least where I can get the info.  The guys as the post office
>hadn't a clue.

What a weird, nerdy question to ask on a WORDS list!

However, I happen to have on my desk a document that describes the bar code
format (I assume you mean the US post office codes).  I can type in enough
so that you can read the bars, or mail you the paper version if you need
info on shape and size and position.

Tony (weird, nerdy answer) H.
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From:         BUHITELA%SUNYJCC.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: gleanings (38)

From:   NAME: Les Buhite
        FUNC: Visual and Performing Arts
        TEL: (716) 665-5220                   <BUHITE, LES AT A1 AT JCCV03>
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<17) Shakti Gawain (Les)
        A New Age authoress, of the type that give the movement a bad
name.  She skims Eastern and Western philosophical and religous
traditions, as well as Native American religions, for superficial "insights"
into the human condition, and publishes them as "Thoughts for the day", etc.
She's really big on "affirmations"; the theory being that if you say something
over and over again, it becomes true.  This notion has a psychological
basis of sorts, but little of that has survived the transfer to a popular
text.  Not even good bathroom reading.

<18) X-Oracularities (Les)
        A modulated forum which purports to be funny, but is not.  Nerds
submit preposterous questions in a stilted manner to an "oracle", which
responds in even more preposterous, long-winded answers.  Whereas the
humor on WORDS-L is pretty quick at times, and based on interchange with
other members, Oracularities is overstated and tedious and obviously the
product of eternal teen-agers who've taken a break from onanism and hacking
the Social Security Administration.

26) Alfred Jarry (Les)
        A turn-of-the-century French author who started the Theatre of
the Absurd movement with the outrageous King Ubu (or Ubu Roi, for francophiles).

In a format mocking MacBeth and Greek tragedy, Ubu is a fat, cowardly traitor
who, at his wife's urging, aspires to be king of Poland (which, at the time of t
   he play's writing,
didn't exist as a political entity). Jarry's life was arguably no less
absurd than his plays; he died at a fairly young age from his lifestyle.

27) Button-box (Judith)
        In further response to Mama P's answer-- I think a concertina
has different tones between the "inhale" and "exhale", while an
accordion has the same tones in both directions.  I own one of the
former, but it has emphysema so bad that it's unplayable.  Anyone
know how to seal bellows and buttons on one of those beasts?

Les
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      BWP Stats 4/8/92 *The Ronin Takes the Gold!*
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What I want to know is, why am I listed under three addresses, when
I, unlike Natalie, Don Roby, Anne Harwell, and others, only have one
measly address.

Well, List Goddess and Listmeisters?????

> LL23%NEMOMUS.bitnet@CU...	71  <---Sisterhood is powerful level
> Karen Kay			11
> LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@UG...	8

Karen
who should be working on her Division Day paper instead of being
logged on.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:47:18 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The People in Cambridge

> 	It was the Cambridge Brewing Company, Natalie!  Wow, that
> woulda been neat...

So where's our detailed report of the goings-on???
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:14:10 MST
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SLC
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              10 Apr 1992 13:15:00 MST from <TSLGILMORE@CC.WEBER.EDU>

On Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:15:00 MST Lisa J. Gilmore said:
>So I tried to send mail to Dan but it bounced.  Sorry everyone.
>Dan, I work at Weber.  What are you coming to SLC for?   LJG

Well, sorry....I was there from Fri nite late until Tues evening.  Attended
the Association of College and Research Libraries Conference at the
Salt Palace.  Stayed at the Shilo downtown.  Saturday went to my
nephew's soccer game (they whipped Magna 6-1) and spent rest of day with
them in Bountiful.  Gail came back by the Ol' Grey Dog on Tuesday morning,
complete with crazy lady in the bus station.

Rest of time I was at conference, including seeing other Weber folks
who I know from serving as a consultant to the library there last May.
Was good to see all the old friends and lots of new ones....including
meeting some library email folks I know from the lists.  As always,
meeting them is a real trip.  One who bitches at me all the time about
stupid shit was what I expected....a bitch in person...
Mon nite took my nephew to see the Jazz kick the butts of Golden State,
138-99.

Anyway, Tues PM went to Ogden and cruised 25th street antique shops on
way back to Boise.

So here I am....only 200 library msgs still ahead....and 550 Words-l msgs.
Someday I will catch up....but at least it keeps my posting down...

dan
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Subject:      re:Elvis stamp

From:   NAME: Les Buhite
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<On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:30:33 EDT <QXN148@URIACC> said:
><I am not voting for either Elvis stamp. I have already said that licking the
><backside of a dead-from-overdose rock star does nothing for me.  Besides don't
><you have to send in a post card or something?  I am not paying $.19 for it.
<
<I agree...the cost of the stamp + the sense of being manipulated by the U.S.
<Postal Service...it's just a publicity stunt, an attention-getter...and I don't
<want to encourage them to do more of it... where would it end?
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

On Elvis' backside, obviously.  How 'bout stamps for Jim Morrison,
Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Charlie Parker, et al... How 'bout individual
stamps for the 100 000 or so killed by alcohol every year?

Les
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From:         Frank <ST403231%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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>From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CASTLE.ED.AC.UK>
>
>In article <WORDS-L%92041012230710@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
>ST403231%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Frank) writes:
>:Of course they are, Graham.  It's not Scottish English, which we all know is
>:far superior to the brand spoken to the south or to any of the colonial
>:varieties.  Or do you disagree?  ;-)
>:
>:Frank McLellan (although my relatives in Cape Breton spell it MacLellan)
>
>I like this guy!  Not often we get such intelligent and informative
>postings here :-)
>
>G
Well, Graham, we Scots (especially expatriates such as we, what with you
living in ruddy England) have got to stick together.  In the immortal words
of Saturday Night Live, "if it isn't Scottish, it's CRRRRRRRRRAP!"

Frank
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From:         Carol Goodson <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats
              7 Apr 1992 18:22:25 -0500 from <harwood@TENET.EDU>

Thanks, Nancy, for the support.... Much of the time I found that the kids
involved, i.e. the abusers, really had no idea how much impact their cruelty
was having on the victims... when I turned it around and did it to them for
      demonstration purposes, they usually got the point.   Kids are really
                       lots smarter than I ever gave them credit for...it
                   was an education for me.

This strange text layout was not intentional, by the way... when I try to
delete my mistakes it happens and I don't know how to fix it.  sorry./cfg
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From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%CBIS.ECE.DREXEL.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Penmanship
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	The only time I write with a pen these days is when I write to my
parents.  (Now, I wonder how many people on the list write letters?
Most must be using email or the phone.  I call too, but my folks prefer
letters.)  Not only has my handwriting deteriorated with increasing
computer use, I find that I have lost the ability to compose my thoughts
on paper.  The keyboard appears to be the only medium through which I
can complete a thought or a sentence.  Its terrible, coz I want to write
legibly, especially when I write home.  And the more I concentrate on
the penmanship, the worse it ends up! It used to be pretty okay before.
When I absolutely cannot complete a sentence with a pen I occasionally
write on the computer, which has been happening with increasing
frequency.  Wonder how much longer I'll persevere with the pen!

This reminds me that I haven't written in over a month, and should
do so this weekend.  But, completed many "least favorite activities"
today: filed my taxes (I get a refund from Uncle Sam, yea!), cleaned
and backed up the system, graded homeworks, got a haircut (hate that)
AND cooked a meal.
Hmmm, think I'll write tomorrow, or next weekend ...

rashmi
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From:         Leah <LEAH%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (38
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As I recall, IRT is Interborough (not Independent) Rapid Transit. At least it w
as the last time I was in New York.
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Subject:      Re: Goodbye
              15 Apr 1992 17:23:58 CDT from <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:23:58 CDT Natalie Maynor said:
>places with open telnet access.
>It's a vanishing thing, however.  I'm surprised Georgia Tech would
>have it, considering some of the things I've heard about the security
>paranoia there.  Even Mississippi State, home of the open and honest,
>did away with open telnet access six or eight months ago.

***it's not just Tech, but all the colleges & universities in GA hooked in
to PeachNET...but recently someone from our Computer Center averted to some
security problems at Tech since they put in 9600 baud access...hackers from
all over the world apparently were trying to break in... I didn't know that
open telnet access was such a big deal;  I hope future years won't bring
restrictions, because I'm using PeachNET to send information to our off-campus
students, fast and free...
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From:         droby%NOVA.TCS.TUFTS.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Conversation Stoppers
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              09 Apr 92 14:53:58 EDT." <9204091636.aa13592@Nova.TCS.Tufts.EDU>

Says Janet Teuber <C0229%UNIVSCVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>:

>   When I first went to work as a programmer everybody I worked with had
>come to programming by way of some other discipline.  I really enjoyed that
>about my job.  Fortunately a lot of those people are still around, but more
>and more we're hiring people with a two-year degree in data processing and
>no prior study.  Not to knock the two-year degree, but I prefer the folks who
>were ABD in some other field of study and THEN got the two-year DP degree, or
>didn't "study" DP at all.  'Course those ABD people seem to fall in one of two
>camps - either they're thankful to have a job, or bitter that it's not in
>academia.  I'm not ABD, but I am thankful to have a job.  And though it's not
>"in academia", it's at least on campus.
>
>Janet

I've run into people working in the computer industry who had anything from a
high-school degree with no college to a PhD, though I haven't personally known
anyone with a PhD in computer science actually working in industry.  Among all
groups, I've seen a wide variation in quality, and some of the best had no
college degree.

I'm also not ABD ;-) but am also thankful to have a job.  And I'm glad it's on
a college campus.  Of course that's on purpose.  I previously worked for a bank
and left to take a job here with the same pay.  I occasionally think about
aiming for reentry to academia, but probably won't until I win the lottery or
finish paying the mortgage by some other means.

- Don R
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Goodbye

> I've tried the freenet before, and couldn't stand it.

Aaron is clearly not a true BWP!  I can't stand CompuServe but use it
when it's the only way I have of getting to the nets.  (I'm not crazy
about the Freenet interface either.)

>  It's a moot point
> anyway, since TELNET eats up my account allotment as much as anything
> else does.

My point in mentioning Freenet was the direct phone numbers, not telnet.
I think one of the goals of Freenet is to have local phone numbers spread
around everywhere.  So far there aren't many, however.  If you happen to
live in one of the cities with a local Freenet number, you don't have to
use telnet to access it.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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