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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Cunningham's QB rating
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:11:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.204316.7708@athena.mit.edu> centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam) writes:
>>There are many who think it's A FLUKE that Cunningham leads the NFL in QB
>>    rating. There are some that think his stats will drop. I disagree.
>
>I'll admit it.  I didn't realize I wrote such a STUPID sentence.
>As many a politician would say, "I misspoke."  I wasn't thinking
>when I wrote that.
>
>I know Cunningham's not going to pass over 70 percent for the
>rest of the season.  (Although, he's the first QB ever to pass
>over 70% in three consecutive games - I read it in a little
>blurb in the Boston Globe). To continue to do so would be pretty
>darn near impossible.
>
>When I said "I disagree.", I meant that I disagree with the people
>who think it's a fluke that Cunningham's up there at the top.  I
>disagree with those who think that Cunningham can't win the big
>game.  I disagree with those Cunningham detractors and doubters out
>there who don't give him his just due (why do they constantly put
>him down? I don't know.).
>
>I didn't want to hype Cunningham as the greatest QB of all time.
>I just wanted the man to get some respect for what he has done
>under conditions that few QB's, if any, would have been able to
>succeed in.
>
>That's about it.  I hope I didn't say anything as stupid again.
>
>(And I hope the Eagles can stick it to the Skins at RFK!
> Should be a very tough game....)
>
>

Nahh, I better not. :-)
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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mr. Tinkertrain)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Tradition? (Re: Eagles : YIKES!)
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:54:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Oct8.002321.18691@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com 
	(joseph.m.dakes) writes...

>The Eagles may not win the SuperBowl as you predict, but they just
>might.  After five weeks, you have to admit they look as good if
>not better than any other team.  They have the talent and the desire.

Yes, they do.  And so do many other teams (Bills, Dolphins, Chiefs, Broncos,
Oilers, Steelers, Cowboys, Vikings, Niners, Saints, just to name a few:).

>Despite what you may think, a team doesn't need any of that tradition
>bullshit you insist on preaching about.  Don't believe me?  Then how
>did a 49ers team with no previous SuperBowl championships and nothing
>but losing seasons the past few years beat the Dallas Cowboys to earn
>their first trip to the SuperBowl in the early 80's?  Or being that
>you love living in the past so much, go back even further to the
>Steelers first SuperBowl victory in the early 70's.  How did they
>accomplish such a feat with nothing but losing seasons to speak of?

Not only that, but consider that the Niners' first opponent (Cincinnati) was
6-10 the previous year (as were the FortyNiners, I might add), off the top of
my head.  And they didn't have a "winning tradition," either.

You want winning tradition, look at the Yankees...and what does it get them
every year?  New managers, that's what...

>Joe Dakes
>AT&T Microelectronics
>555 Union Boulevard
>Allentown, PA  18103
>alux2!jmd

					---Chet Zeshonski
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From: daves@meaddata.com (Dave Spencer)
Subject: Re: Browns Help
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:41:54 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct7.143757.2655@news2.cis.umn.edu>, khansen@staff.tc.umn.edu writes:
|> I was wondering if any of Cleveland Browns fans know the status of Kevin Mack
|> and if he will be playing this week or any time soon?
|> 

   Mack will be playing Sunday. He has been practicing this week and
   will be used in rotation style.



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From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Subject: Re: Browns News - 1st qtr review - Steeler preview
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:03:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.173944.44252@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN) writes:
|> 
|> Why don't you smell what you're shoveling.  The browns don't stand a chance
|> against the STEELERS.  To paraphrase Dave:
|> 
|>  "The Steelers are going to chew them up and shit them out browner than their
|>  name suggests."

Great analysis Tom, its obvious you are still trying to pull your foot out
of your mouth. 
-- 
Jeff Nappi
Columbus Bell Labs
jjn@cbjjn.att.com
From: marino@dxcern.cern.ch (Massimo Marino)
Subject: Re: NFL Address ???
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:52:54 GMT

NFL address: 410 Park Avenue - NY
FAX: (212) 7581742
TEL: dunno

Bye
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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Looking for the Wright stuff...
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:45:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Oct16.154538.22312
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717

In article <1992Oct16.014624.6209@pbhya.PacBell.COM> mndavis@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Mark N. Davis) writes:

>Since this net seems to be made up of about 50% Cowboys fans (or at least they
>are the most vocal), would some of you out there please enlighten me as to
>just what this Ace guy can really do? I don't really need his life story, but
>want to know about his college career, what he's done for the Cowboys, and why
>they found him expendable.
>
>Thanks in advance for any info.
>
>                                 Al Davis for President!
>                                      Mark
Well, Alexander Wright is the NFL's fastest man, at lest 40 time wise.
He has been clocked at 4.08, but the official 40 time that the league has
for him is 4.12, which is still pretty fast.  He has pretty good break away
speed, and he demonstrated that on a long kickoff return last year.  He has
average hands, and isn't a real precise route runner.  He is more of a north 
and south runner.  He had good to average numbers while at Auburn.  He 
averaged about 18 yds. a catch, but didn't have that many receptions, and
didn't have that many TD's.  The main reason that he was let go was because 
of the fact that the Cowboy's stable is full, if you will.  They have 
Irvin, Harper, and Martin as the main recievers, and then have a small crew
of rookies and first year guys that are better than Wright.  He was traded
to the Raiders for a fourth, possibly a third round pick, so it is not that
big of a gamble.  His primary function will most likely be to allow Tim
Brown to concentrate more time on offense, and worry less about being the return
man.  

Sean
  

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     Montana State University   ||  **** GO COWBOYS!!!!!!! ****
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thursday, 15 Oct 1992 12:24:36 PST
From: <TOM@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EVERYONE READ THIS!

                NO BUCK, NO BUCK ROGERS!!!
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bermanisms
Date: 9 Oct 1992 17:02:06 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <1992Oct9.143940.23483@unislc.uucp> jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske) writes:
>Jewry is the word for Jewish people collectively, so we get Soviet Jewry
>for the jewish people in the Soviet Union, and Soviet Drury for a Bermanism.
>
   Actually everyone, and I think Buccs fans will back me up on this, I
   believe it's Drewrey. 

   --salty


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From: bill@neocad.com (Bill Bentley)
Subject: Re: Bengals Query query?
Organization: NeoCAD, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:54:01 GMT


>Noticed during the highlights of the Bengals-Oilers game that the Bengals
>have a receiver called Query. Is this Jeff Query who used to play for
>the Packers? If so, when did the Bengals pick him up - I don't remember
>seeing him on the list of Plan B acquisitions.

>Peter Vamplew

Yes Query did play for the Packers, he was a Plan B pick-up by the Oilers
and then released (I think the week before start of the regular season).
The Bengals picked him up shortly there after.

Bill B
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Rams
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:03:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.101508.20033@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:

>Do you dis/agree about my opinion about the emphasis of the defense?
>Do they ask their linemen to play the run?  It is an emphatic point
>on my part that disagrees with the newspapers and most Niner

I'll stop short of disagreement, but I've not seen anything to make
me think the Niners emphasize stopping the run, and that such an
emphasis hurts their pass rush.  I definitely have seen them in all
too many obvious passing situations where they simply could not pressure
the passer.  Several of them last week, in fact.

>critics.  Do you dis/agree that the Niners platoon their D linemen a
>lot?  That, to me, has a disadvantage in a single game, an
>advantage in the long haul of a season.  To me it explains in an
>athletic way, the success of the Niners in the late/post season.

Very possibly, but I don't understand the relevance.  NONE of the
Niners' DL are great pass rushers.

>My point of reference, my argument rests from listening to the same
>criticisms of the Niners after many a close win or tough loss
>against terrible teams in the early season- Malone and Pittsburgh
>in '83, for example.

Not to nitpick, but that was '84.  And yes the Niners did look terrible.

>My point of reference is some Niner fans looking at the last
>two seasons as failures, though no game was lost by more than 7,

Didn't the Lambs beat them 28-17 in '90?

>they were a field goal away from a Super Bowl again.  To me they
>were unqualified successes, Super Bowl victory or no.  How can you
>rag on success like this?  Last year was a GREAT year - exciting
>competitive successful football.
>
>I don't expect to turn these criticisms, more years I am more wrong
>than right, as the Niners won the big one only 4 times out of 10 in
>the last decade.  Just get off their case, you are ragging on THIS
>Season's champs!

I'm not "ragging."  What is it about this newsgroup that causes people
to expect such incredible woofing and gloating that a bit of critique
is considered whining and ragging?

All I said it that the DL is very likely their biggest weakness, now
that the Midget is riding the pine, and I'd like to see some attention
to it.  Signing Veris may have been a step in the right direction; we
won't really know for a few weeks.  And other steps would be appreciated.


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Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 21:25:23 -0400 
From: "Joseph E. Beck" <jb8n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: AFC-Daydreams
	<1992Oct8.163038.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>



>     As a Dolphin fan I remember this point, but you may not. Earlier in
>preseason on that year the Dolphins played the Eagles. With about 3 seconds
>left and the win in the bag for the Eagles, the Eagles kick a field goal. The
>Eagles won by like 10-15 points. This really pised off the Dolphins off and
>they certainly had it on their minds.
>
>                                     -doug THE dolfan-

Are you implying the Buddy Ryan may not have been diplomatic or shown
good sportsmanship towards another team?  Memories of a Dallas game a
few years ago where the Eagles were ahead by several touchdowns comes
to mind.  A few minutes left in the game; they snapped the ball,
Randall knelt down.  They snapped it again, Randall knelt down.  They
snapped the ball, Randall throws a pass to a wideout for a touchdown.


	joe
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From: epc1@quads.uchicago.edu (Merlin)
Subject: Dallas got lucky on MNF!! Eagles should've won 100 - 0.
Reply-To: epc1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:09:57 GMT


Damn those Cowboys got really lucky on Monday Night Football.

First, the refs didn't call Emmit Smiths fumble - Dallas got lucky!!

Second, Irvin made that lucky 50 yard catch after the fumble which
	led to a touchdown - obvious luck.

Third, Seth Joyner hurt his knee and had trouble defensively in the first
	half.  If he hadn't hurt himself, he would have caused 3
	fumbles instead of just one that night and had two interceptions,
	running both of them for touchdowns!!  Freak injury
	helped Lucky Dallas again.

Fourth, when Reggie White sacked Troy, he only had him by his thumb and
	forefinger.  If Reggie had him with TWO fingers and a thumb,
	Troy would be in the hospital right now.  Dallas got REALLY
	lucky here.

Fifth, the Cowboys got really lucky when Randall hurt his knee because
	if Randall was 100%, he would have ran for 3 touchdowns instead
	of just 1!

Sixth, the Cowboys got lucky that Keith Jackson didn't return to the Eagles.
	Keith would have made four diving touchdowns for the Eagles instead
	of just one that he had with Miami.

Seventh, the Cowboys also got lucky that Maurice Johnson was still on IR
	or he would have had five touchdowns.  Pat Beech was a real lame tight
	end against Dallas.

Eighth, the Cowboys were lucky that the game wasn't played in Dallas or
	the Eagles would have had 11 sacks like last year.  But in Philly,
	the only had four sacks.

Man, those Cowboys got so lucky.  I saw 14 touchdowns the Eagles could have
	had if the Cowboys hadn't gotten so lucky.
Well, there's always the game in Dallas.  The Cowboys will definitely not
	get so lucky there!!!


-- 
En Pum Cho					
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math & economics major
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From: rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Request: Highest Score in NFL history
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:15:41 GMT
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Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <1992Oct15.150951.4986@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF) writes:
In article <1992Oct15.140324.8731@seq.uncwil.edu> rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith) writes:
>Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (ALN - GO GIANTS) writes:
>
>>Looking for the team with the highest scoring game in NFL history, date, 
>>place, etc...
>
>>Thanks in Advance
>
>>Adriene L. Nazaretian
>
>Your Giants got beat in the highest scoring NFL game of all time 72-41
>in NY by the 'Skins on Nov 27 1966.
>
>The 72 points by Washington is also the highest number of points scored
>in a single game by any team in NFL history.
>

Didn't Chicago score 73 points (73-0, actually) in a playoff game
during the '40s?


Mark

Yes, and they'd beat the same team 7-3 a few weeks earlier. They stopped
kicking extra points and started running them in because they were losing
too many footballs to the crowd.  I think the offense used a man in motion
for the first time, and totally screwed up the defense.

Rick

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From: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Subject: Offensive line weights. 
Keywords: MNF trivia
Reply-To: rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:46:44 GMT

On Monday night, the announcers were going on
about the weights of the offensive lines, esp
the hogs. They had an interesting stat saying
that Washington's line averaged 290 lbs and was
15th in the league, and San Francisco's line was
the lightest averaging 274 lbs.  What I want to know
is which teams in the league have the heaviest
lines? (of the regular starters)
I would guess that Giants has one of the heaviest
lines, but really I have no idea.
Also, they talked about the trends over the years
for the league as a whole, if I recall correctly
it was something like this
 Year     Ave weight of OL (lbs)
--------------------------------
1962        230
1972        245
1982        263
1992        290

So another question is, what is the physical
upper limit for this?   

I don't think the weights will go up too much more,
the 49ers have a successful offense and they have the
smallest line.  I guess the way in which offenses/defenses
evolve will determine this.

Richard Tuner
Dolfan
From: eagan@granite.ma30.bull.com (Timothy M. Eagan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packer ticket info request
Summary: Want a ticket to 11/15 game vs Eagles
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:26:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc.

A request for fellow Packer fans. I'll be near Milwaukee in 
mid November and would love to go see my since childhood 
favorites Green Bay Packers. I only need one ticket, but
don't know the number to call. Can anyone help me out here.
I would like either the number to the ticket office, or
would be interested in buying from an individual. Please 
email any info to:

T.Eagan@ma30.bull.com

Thanks in advance.

-- 
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508-294-2095			 "To come and spoil the fun!"
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49er Faithful
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: JGH computer predictions - week 7!
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:24:25 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

Predictions for week 7:  (The number after the game is the amount the
                          home team is expected to win or lose by.)

Lions         at Vikings          5
Packers       at Browns           3
Chiefs        at Cowboys          4
Eagles        at Redskins         2
Chargers      at Colts            6
Buccaneers    at Bears            4
Falcons       at 49ers            8
Patriots      at Dolphins        15
Oilers        at Broncos          1
Raiders       at Seahawks        -1
Saints        at Cardinals       -6
Giants        at Rams             1
Bengals       at Steelers         5


Last week:  9-2!  (Cumulative: 54-21 72%)

Falcons      17 Dolphins     21    8 +
Eagles       17 Chiefs       24    1 +
Cardinals    21 Giants       31    5 +
Steelers      9 Browns       17   -1 -
49ers        24 Patriots     12   -8 +
Seahawks      0 Cowboys      27   13 +
Bills         3 Raiders      20   -5 -
Oilers       38 Bengals      24   -3 +
Jets          3 Colts         6    4 +
Rams         10 Saints       13   10 +
Broncos       3 Redskins     34    3 +

JGH

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
From: un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: <None>/innane Dallas-Philly woofers
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:34:36 GMT
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing

In article <6OCT199223451157@rigel.tamu.edu>, c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.212447.1@wharton.upenn.edu>, reille85@wharton.upenn.edu writes...
>>The Eagles did not play very well offensively and still scored 31 pts. on MNF,
>>all I have to say is watch out NFL.  By the way, the Eagles will also win on
>>November 1 in Dallas.
>> 
> 
> Remember, 1) They can NOT play better offensively. That is it. Take out
>              their QB's run, what do you have? Does Cunningham know how to
>              hit a reciever in game time?

	This is wrong.  Herschel Walker has (if I remember correctly, I don't
have stats with me) run for more 100+ yard performances than Emmitt Smith, or
at least as many.
	Barnett and Williams are on their way to having career years,
Cunningham is passing to them with consitency for the first time this year,
where have you been?
> 
>           2) You are going to lose a bunch of games this year. The first one
>              should be in KC. KC is going to beat you really bad.

	They lost in KC because they were coming of an emotionally draining
game on Monday, had less time to prep for KC , and KC showed up ready to play. 
The Eagles played flat, and that was the ONLY reason that KC won

> 	  3) Coming in November, the two teams are going in opposite directions.
>              Dallas is young, and always goes up. You guys are too old to make
>              a run that time. So Dallas is going to pay you back then. 
> 
Not likely.  Chances are that at that time, the division will be on the line,
and Philly will be ready to play, and Dallas fans will watch their team fall. 
Dallas' lack of maturity will hurt them this season, but next season Dallas
should have their young team balanced, and in it's prime.  What few people
realise is that this Cowboy team is STILL on eof the youngest out there, and
that will haunt them more than anything.

> Bob

	-Skins fan with a grip on reality, and on the rifle aimed at Rypien
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From: walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Scott Walker)
Subject: Re: EAGLES BEAT THE COWPUSSIES AND THATS ALL TO SAY..EXCEPT PREDICTIONS
Organization: DuPont Central Research & Development
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:02:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.015732.16853@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> aperkins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Aaron B. Perkins) writes:
>
>WELL WELL WELL COWPUSSIES FNAS HAVE NO PRIDE LEFT IN THEIR TEAM EXCEPT TO SAY
>THAT THE EAGLES WERE LUCKY IN BEATING THEM WELL....TWO WORDS (COWBOYS SUCK)
>WE KICKED YOUR ASSES ALL OVER THE FIELD AND BACK AND WILL DO IT AGAIN IN
>TEXAS STADIUM. NEXT MATTER....I PREDICTED THE EAGLES TO WIN 42 TO 3 (PRETTY
>DAMN CLOSE DONT YOU THINK?)
>SO HERE ARE THIS WEEKS PREDICTIONS OF THE K.C. GAME.......
>                                EAGLES 27
>                                K.C.   10
>
>                    GOOD GAME (BETTER THAN THE COWPUSSIES EMBARESMENT)
>
>EAGLES WILL FINISH THE SEASON 16-0 AND WILL WIN THE SUPER BOWL
>
>
>
>ERVING,BARKLEY,BOL,HAWKINS,DAWKINS,GILLIAM,GRANT,SCHMIDT,ROSE,DYKSTRA,WHITE
>CUNNINGHAM,BARNETT,WILLIAMS,BROWN(R.I.P.),WALKER,BYERS,LYNDROSS,AND BEST OF ALL
>BUDDY RYAN (WE MISS YOU BUDDY)!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>signed julius the master predictor
>

You mean, signed julius the obnoxious foot-in-mouth embarrassed mispelling 
tabloid predictor.

When will you guys ever learn that rah-rah's don't win football games?


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