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From: MCOG@chvm1.vnet.ibm.com ("Michael A. Coggins")
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Questions on DEC VMS DECterm configuration
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:14:54 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Message-Id: <9208201138.AA05558@expo.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 13:23:43 CET

I have the fluffy books describing the VMS DECterm, but it
spends a lot of time telling me how to work the mouse, and
to click on buttons.

What I really need to know is:

1) Which fonts does it use/require/want?  How would I find this info?
2) Can it use a resource file like a normal unix based xterm?
3) It seems to have hard-coded that <ctrl><backslash> will map to
   an X key sequence "Ctrl <Key> backslash", but the backslash on
   the keyboard I am working with has the backslash on a different
   modifier.  This means I have to type <ctrl><alt gr>backslash,
   and the DECterm doesn't recognize that this should be ctrl backslash.
   Can I reconfigure the DECterm to find my backslash?
4) Is there any detailed documentation on the DECterm in a VMS
   environment?

Any email help would be greatly appreciated, or a pointer to a better
place to look.  Please pardon my ignorance of VMS.  Thanks,
--
Mickey Coggins  mcog@chvm1.vnet.ibm.com
                +41-1-436-7274 or +41-1-436-8525 (fax)
                Hohlstrasse 560, CH-8048 Zurich, Switzerland
From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: colormap problems on Sun 4/280? (X11R5, gcc 2.1)
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:08:02 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C.

Date: 2 Sep 92 21:13:02 GMT
Message-Id: <5065@news.duke.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I finally got around to updating R5 with the current fixes and
compiling with gcc 2.1; it works fine on my color SS1s and IPCs,
but not on my 4/280. bringing up xcolors shows that almost no
color names match the displayed colors. all the sun4s are using
the same binaries and libraries; the only difference that I can
think of is that the 4/280 is a cgtwo, and the others are cgthrees.
any suggestions?

-- 
Ned Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu)
Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory
Box 3140, Duke University Medical Center
Durham, NC  27710   (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:40:54 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK

Date: 1 Sep 92 16:43:19 GMT
Message-Id: <ALANB.92Sep1174319@sdlhpp2.sdl.mdcbbs.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

>>>>> On Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:24:12 GMT, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) said:
About OpenWindows/OpenLook
> the bunch!  It takes the "3-D feel" to absolutely arbitrary extremes,
I run mine using the -2D option. At least it has the option.

> violates every rule in the book, 
The OpenLook book appears to be a carefully written as the Motif style guide.
Care to give examples?

>                                  and is a bear to boot (it's slow on a
> Sparchstation 2, a mid-20s Specmarks machine... I have no idea how
> they managed that.)
Hmm - I find it as fast as mwm. Maybe the 2d look speeds it up.
--
Alan Braggins, Shape Data (A Division of EDS Ltd), Cambridge, UK +44-223-316673
   "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
 "My employer does not necessarily share my views - but I'm working on it."
From: mahan@tgv.com (Patrick L. Mahan)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: RE: Sun Widget Set
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:33:48 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date:    Fri, 28 Aug 92 11:09:51 PDT
Message-Id: <920828110951.21000150@TGV.COM>
X-St-Vmsmail-To: ST%"xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu"

#
#Does anyone know of a "widget set" for Sun workstations that is layered upon
#Xlib and Xt?  We are looking at developing an interactive data visualization
#tool tailored to some special-purpose analysis requirements, and a "widget set"
#would reduce development time.  
#

Well, lets see...

	Athena		available from MIT
	Motif		available from numerous vendors
	OLIT		available from Sun

Patrick L. Mahan

--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM ---------

Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered  - Lazarus Long
a capital crime.  For a first offense, that is            From the Notebooks of
							  Lazarus Long
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 30 Aug 92 02:23:09 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 23:29:24 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug29.232924.10887@sq.sq.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

"David Herron" <david@twg.com> writes:
> Lots of people point at 3d borders on widgets and try to make fun of them.
> Look at it from the other slant for a moment.. throw away the 3d borders
> and use a Mac (pre System 7) or something written with Athena Widgets.
> How does the user tell the difference between a button and a text entry 
> box?  [...]

zwicky@erg.sri.com (Elizabeth Zwicky) writes:
> I don't make fun of 3d borders; I deprecate them. Why does sunken=text
> and raised=button? Shouldn't sunken be a depressed button? (In fact,
> sunken often *is* a depressed button.) Couldn't
> this be done with *much* greater clarity by some means other than fake
> 3d? Like, for instance, the text areas have lines under them just like
> the lines on a form where you're supposed to write things.

The OPEN LOOK UI underlines text fields instead of using sunken or raised
boxes or ovals or whatever.  It works.

> In the old NeWS toolkit, you had checkboxes. When they were selected,
> they had great big check marks in them. I comprehend this.

Again the OPEN LOOK GUI has tick-boxes (or check-boxes or whatever you want
to call them).  And they work well.

I join Elizabeth Zwicky and other posters in being unable to remember whether
things are selected or deselected in Motif or Microsoft Windows.

I sometimes have the same problem with the OPEN LOOK GUI toggles - the things
that are sometimes called radio buttons, apparently because of old-fashioned
American car radios - but usually it's easy because it's the `pressed' one
that's selected, and there is a word under it.  The ticked boxes present no
problems at all, and neither do the text fields.

I think the difference is that the OPEN LOOK UI was designed.  Very carefully.
By people with experience.  And _then_ implemented.  Motif was implemented
without any real specification, as I understand it, and it shows.

But I don't think that any of the User Interfaces out there - NeWS, OPEN LOOK,
OSF/Motif, Mac System 7, Athena, NextStep, I don't think _any_ of them are at
the point at which I'd say `If computer development stopped here it'd be OK'.

It's still early days.

Lee

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From: dwong@la.sjf.novell.com (T. David Wong)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: *** problem in running X server (X11R5) on Sun386i ***
Date: 29 Aug 92 14:31:23 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Novell, Inc., San Jose, Ca

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:10:34 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug29.031034.20329@novell.com>
Newsgroups: ba.windows.x,comp.windows.x,comp.x

Hi there,

Does anyone out there have X server running on Sun386i successfully?

I've built the X server (both Xsun and XsunMono) with some effort, but
managed to have it built completely without error.   When I tried to bring
it up from the console, I don't get anything on the screen.  I know the
server is up and running, because from other telnet session I saw the
xinit, X, and the first xterm processes are running and I can shut down X
server by killing that xterm process.  Keyboard and mouse are working
fine, because I randomly move the mouse and luckily was able to invoked
the twm.  I guess only the screen is not updated.  Anyone has clue about
this?  I'm running SunOS 4.0.1.

BTW, I cannot find ks_tables.h which is referenced by XKeysymStr.c and
XStrKeysym.c when I tried to build libX11.a and corresponding shared library,
so I just skipped and didn't build them. -- Will this a problem for bringing
up X server?  Where I can find this file?

X server also complaints about 
>> failed to set default font path '/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/'
>> Fatal server error:
>> could not open default font 'fixed'
>> XIO:  fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) on X server "(null)"
>>      after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
>>      The connection was probably broken by a server shutdown or KillClient.
I've to invoke xinit with -- -fp '/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/'
to keep X server quite.  Dose anybody know what the problem is ?

Thanks in advance for whatever solution/suggestion that you may give.  Please
reply with e-mail since I don't regularly read this newsgroup.

<wong>
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From: wilson@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com (Nancy Wilson)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: how to implement slow calback routines ?
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:16:55 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Honeywell Air Transport Systems Division

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:51:25 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.155125.17576@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



>The problem is that after the creation of the messagebox we do not return to
>the XtMainLoop() and the messagebox is not managed on the screen, even if we
>call XFlush().

try 
   XSync(dpy, FALSE);

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nancy Wilson
Internet: wilson@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com
From: williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Shared Libraries lose under AIX3.1/X11R5
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:50:25 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

Date: 26 Aug 92 18:41:22 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug26.184122.22561@news.uiowa.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

I just built X11 R5 for our RS6000 running AIX 3.1.  None of the clients
want to run, because they can't find the shared libraries.

How do I tell this damn box where to find shared libraries, if they're not
in the 'standard' places?
From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting Paned Window to tile horizontaly ...
Date: 29 Aug 92 13:44:22 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170600.8600@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	Hi there !

		Is it possible to get PanedWindow to lay out children
in a HORIZONTALY tiled format ? I need two frames side by side and
I want to allow the user to resize the two frames with a PanedWindow
or anything similar to it.

	Any suggestions is appreciated :) :)


				Michel Besner, eng.
				Sacred Heart Hospital 
				research center
				Montreal
				mbesner@iris1.metal.polymtl.ca



	"life is a big bowl of Jell-O :) :) ! "
From: markb@wagner.cbs.umn.edu (Mark Berres)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Problems with X11R5 compiling under gcc-2.2.2
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:13:37 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: College of Biological Sciences, U of MN

Date: 27 Aug 92 21:42:26 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.214226.22841@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Has anyone succeeded in compiling X11R5 using gcc-2.2.2 on a sun4c (IPX)?
Everything works fine until near the completion of the build with the files:

			handler.c
			wtree.c
			gram.c

A variety of warnings occur, apparently with enough punch to warrent the
failure of the build. We have X11R4 compiled under gcc2.2 and it works fine.
All relevant fixes have been applied. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

markb
From: tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Xterminal-Server ratio wanted
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:38:47 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Wayne State Univ.

Date: 1 Sep 92 23:53:09 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Sep1.235309.5457@uts.cc.wayne.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.windows.x

tucker@bedford.progress.COM (Kyle Tucker) writes:

>Hi all (again),
>	We are currently performing an initial investigation into upgrading
>our present dumb-terminal based user environment to a X windows based one.
>We are weighing all the dis/advantages of PCs, Xterminals and workstations
>and look favorably at Xterminals from a maintenance standpoint. I use one
>myself and see no lack of functionality. We would like any opinions on this
>decision itself. And if we do go with Xterminals, then the question of how
>many Xterminals running off of how many Sparcs, Sparc2s, Solbournes, etc. We
>would like to hear about any success/horror stories about implementing such
>a configuration and performance issues regarding Xterm/Server ratios which
>seem to work well. These users will mainly be running Progress applications
>and some word-processing, news readers and email UAs.

We are thinking of doing the same thing. We would also find this information
very useful.
From: desouza@asmara.berkeley.edu (Paulo de Souza)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Choosing colors  for X11 - a palette ?
Date: 29 Aug 92 05:39:35 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.

Date: 28 Aug 1992 19:55:48 GMT
Message-Id: <17m0c4INN977@agate.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps

I seen on some DEC and IBM machines a palette that lets you move a
stick around and choose a color giving you (in another part of the
window) the combo of Red-Green-Blue that you need to match that
color.

Does anybody knows if such a thing is available for X11 (for example
on a Sparc Station) ? And where one could find it ?

Paulo Ney                                desouza@math.berkeley.edu
From: scott@statsci.com (Scott Blachowicz)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Motif clients crashing Sun OpenWindows v2 server
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:27:39 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Statistical Sciences, Inc., Seattle, WA USA

Date: 3 Sep 92 00:22:43 GMT
Message-Id: <SCOTT.92Sep2162243@arugula.statsci.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Now, I could swear I've seen something about this recently, but I can't find
it now...

I've run across two instances that crashed my OW2 Xnews server recently. The
first is whenever I run the 'datebook' program from HPUX on an HP9000/720
(HPUX 8.05) system displaying on a Sun SPARC running SunOS 4.1.1 and
OpenWindows 2.0.

The second happened when I resized a different Motif client on the same
display. This Motif client was loaded on the same Sun SPARC system that the
display is on. It was loaded against our Motif 1.1[.0] libraries.

Is there a set of magic X resource values that I can specify somewhere to
avoid having them crash the server. Yes, I know I can run OW 3 or X11R4 or
X11R5 (which I generally do, but I was doing some testing against different
servers).

Ideas?

Thanx,
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From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting Paned Window to tile horizontaly ...
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:46:13 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170600.8600@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	Hi there !

		Is it possible to get PanedWindow to lay out children
in a HORIZONTALY tiled format ? I need two frames side by side and
I want to allow the user to resize the two frames with a PanedWindow
or anything similar to it.

	Any suggestions is appreciated :) :)


				Michel Besner, eng.
				Sacred Heart Hospital 
				research center
				Montreal
				mbesner@iris1.metal.polymtl.ca



	"life is a big bowl of Jell-O :) :) ! "
From: lfernand@ee.ryerson.ca (luis fernandes)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Drag and Drop
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:00:29 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:35:29 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug26.163529.3584@ee.ryerson.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <9208251245.AA07946@jumbo.Read.TASC.COM> jncoco@jumbo.Read.TASC.COM (Joe Coco) writes:
>There have been two recent postings asking for information on implementing
>drag and drop.  I suggest:
>
>1. "Implementing Drag and Drop for X11"
>    Gabe Beged-Dov & Ellis S. Cohen
>    Proceedings of the 6th Annual X Technical Conference
>    The X Resource, Issue 1, Winter 1992
>
>2.  Chapter 11 (Interclient Communications) Section 2 (Selections)
>    Adrian Nye and Tim O'Reilly
>    Volume Four, X Toolkit Intrinsics Programming Manual, OSF/Motif Edition
>    O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
>

Also consider looking at Roger Reynolds' drag-n-drop package: RDD. It may
be found in the contrib directory on export: rdd.tar.Z


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From: unisql!nandraj@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Nandraj Arni)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting color names(char*).
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:33:19 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

Date: 26 Aug 1992 18:28:46 GMT
Message-Id: <3533@unisql.UUCP>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



   I want to know how to get color names(char*) for some Widget's
background or anything? I asked this before, I did not get answers
but some netters wanting the answers. That is why I am posting
across groups.

   Say, if you make an application with motif GUI. You want to get
the name of colors of some resources programmitically. How would
you do that at any level, Xlib, Xt or Motif?


Thanks,



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From: sayegh@CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: mail
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:10:33 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Workstation Div., Supermicro Systems Group, Sony Corporation

Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 16:34:42 EST
Message-Id: <0095FF9C.E3B8AE00.25156@CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU>

Arabic language fonts for X Window

Do Arabic language fonts exist for XR11.4 or XR11.5?  Are they public domain or
commerically available?  Where might we find them in Athena distribution or on
the Internet?

If we can get these fonts by 17:00 (5:00pm) 01sep1992, these fonts would be 
_most_ beneficial.  If we obtain these fonts after 17:00 EST 01sep1992, they
would be of less immediate usefulness, but would still be interesting for future
use.  Therefore time is of the essence.  Thanks for your time and information. 

                                 ---- Samir Sayegh
From: mark@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Garrett Internet: mark@arvak.une.edu.au Phone: +61 66 20 3859)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Problems - R5 build on DS 5000/25 using gcc-2.2.2
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:13:28 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

Date: 25 Aug 92 09:53:34 GMT
Message-Id: <BtJA5A.IvB@alsvid.une.edu.au>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.unix.ultrix,gnu.gcc.help

From article <1992Aug19.152652.11529@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, by scowen@wfpc3.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Paul A. Scowen):
> Hello,
> 
> I'm writing to request any words of wisdom from people who've attempted to
> build the pl16 R5 distribution on Unix platforms using gcc-2.2.2.
> 
> build as a whole since gcc is the recommended compiler, from the README's
> I've read.  The result of these errors (not surprisingly) is a failure to
> build the ./server/ddx/mfb part of the server code, which causes a premature
> exit from the make as follows:
	..
	stuff deleted
	..
> Any words of sage advice out there?  Thanks.

	I think this mean you have the -Dvax still in as a the config files
change it to  -Dmips -DX_NOT_POSIX

	It would seem that gcc + ultrix + mips is not a well support
platform at MIT, since the config files for this combo are wrong. 


	Cheers
		Mark :)
-- 
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   University of New England, Northern Rivers, Lismore NSW Australia.
From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: a utility for setting window & icon names?
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:28:05 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany

Date: 28 Aug 92 08:45:41 GMT
Message-Id: <17kp3lINN56i@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug28.103649.164427@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>, mark@genesis.itd
(Mark Nelson) writes:
|> Does anyone have a utility for setting the WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME
|> properties of a window?
|> 
|> xprop allows you to remove a property of a window but I couldn't find
|> anything
|> to set a property.  I know of XSetWMName(), XSetWMIconName(), etc but I
|> would
|> really rather avoid using them if I could.

Well, um, alternatively you could try XChangeProperty :-).

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