From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The christian perspective...?
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:09:08 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In talk.abortion, forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
>From article <24887@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, by bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense):

>> 1) Do you realize that the fetus draws sustenance, minerals, water, etc
>> from a woman and defecates into the woman, right?

>No, in fact, the baby does not defecate until after birth.  If the stress
>of birth itself causes him to defecate during the birth, you have teams of
>pediatritians on hand to make sure he doesn't inhale the "merconium" on
>the way out, or else to treat him for it if perchance he does inhale it.

1, 2, 3, Frau F is wrong again. I know a woman whose water broke, and
she noticed fesces coming out at the same time. They rushed her to the
hospital for *her* health as much as the baby's. Fortunately, they both
came through just fine.

>> 2) Do you realize there are women who object to this invasion

>No, since they invited them there, it is obviously not an invasion.

Did they send out engraven invitations?

>> 3) Do you realize that some women don't care to let a z/e/f use their

>Do you realize that women who abort are far less concerned about the "use
>of their bodies" by the baby than they are worried about how they're going
>to care for the baby after the birth?

Some are, others just don't want to be subject to pregnancy and its
effects. BTW, where do you get all this *inside* information on abortion?
Have you had one?

>> 4) Can you see why your vision and beliefs should not be enacted into
>> law to prevent others from preventing this situation to unfold against
>> their beliefs, which are most likely different from yours?

>Can you see why your lack of vision should not be forced onto children
>who do not share your lack of vision?

I don't force my vision, or lack thereof as you state, on anyone. You, 
however, wish to enforce what you believe a non-visible ie non-existant 
entity thinks (who is supposed to be omnipotent and omniscient, and 
therefore appears to approve of the situation as it now stands, as obviously 
there have been no celestial strikes against abortion clinics or their 
providers)

>> 5) Can you see how the pro-choice position lets you enjoy your beliefs,
>> while allowing others to enjoy theirs?

>Can you see how the pro-"choice" position allows choice for everyone BUT
>those to whom it matters most - those who die by the choice of others?

Have you been listening to the wishes of fetuses again? Have they wtold
you what they wish? I thought not. Now, if you wish to say that if a
fetus comes to term, and then grows older, and then states that he wishes
to live, I'd say time changes one's wishes. Take that same person and
let him/her get even older, and they might wish to die. So what someon
wishes is all a matter of timing.

>> (Unless of course yours involves
>> making decisions for others against their will.)

>That sure sounds like the case of abortion to me.

Well, you do seem quite delusional, claiming that a fetus wishes anything,
much less on a complicated subject such as life, which a rising number
of teenagers evidently don't wish to participate in anymore, and they
have as much to live for as any fetus.

Ron

Potassium Benzoate included as a preserver.
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