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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: Nigel's records
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:12:07 GMT


The record number of poles in a season is held by Mansell: 14.

The record number of wins in a season is held by Mansell: 9.

The record number of whining incidents is held by Mansall: lost count.

-- 
Grayson Walker                                           CHC, Maitland, Florida 
Forza!                                            Internet: agwiii@fang.att.com
Voice: 407 660 7949               ". . . big brown river . . ." Tuli Kupferberg
From: gfg@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Gabriele F. Giuliani)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: When you're wrong, you're wrong. (was Re: ABS ???????) ...ENOUGH!
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:44:57 GMT
Followup-To: crap on the net
Organization: Purdue University Psycic Department

Enough of this crap, please keep it private, please, please, please!??
No more personal bickering dished out to the other netters. gfg

PS: If someone still claims that the friction involved in the pure rolling 
motion of a wheel is dynamic, ... well obviously he/she is unaware of the 
appropriate scientific nomenclature and should accordingly have his/her Phd, 
Master, BS, etc. recalled (unless of course the degree is in Hotel and 
Restaurant Management, Psycology, Physical Education, etc. etc., or bestowed
by some private college with high tuition and low admission standards on some
tropical island). Sorry I couldn't resist 8-) 8-) 8-)
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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Gilles, Nelson, and Niki
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:33:09 GMT

norm goldberg writes:
>
>Fan. Villenueve, Lauda and Piquet were alwas my favorites and
>unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any one else to replace them. Well
>maybe Schu and Alesi.......

At time, especially in the rain, I see a lot of Gilles in Jean.  I hope we
get to see him in a competitive car.
-- 
Grayson Walker                                           CHC, Maitland, Florida 
Forza!                                            Internet: agwiii@fang.att.com
Voice: 407 660 7949               ". . . big brown river . . ." Tuli Kupferberg
From: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Re:Adelaide:Senna and Mansell
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:28:15 GMT
Reply-To: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Nov10.194241.22786@datamark.co.nz> thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) writes:
>
>The worst error (IMHO) was when Schumacher was stuck behind Hakkinen
>(sp?) and couldn't get past.
>
>Murray says something along the lines of, "...in fairness to Hakkinen,
>I don't think he's holding him up much, their lap times are nearly
>identical."
>
>There's a short pause, and then the other commentator quietly observes
>that the reason their lap times are nearly identical is because
>Schumacher can't get past so the two cars are basically lapping
>together.
>
>That wasn't a goof - that was a complete lack of understanding!
>-- 
>    Thomas Beagle | thomas@datamark.co.nz           Work: 64 4 233 8186
>Datamark Intl Ltd | thomas@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz     Home: 64 4 499 3832
> Technical Writer |       Damn, I think I'm suffering from angst.

Actually, that sounds more like something that gets said without being
thought about. Radio and TV announcers just love the sound of their own
voices and they can't stand the idea of any dead air time. So they simply
yack and yack about anything, no matter how inane. The brain has been
trained to emit streams of auto racing "keywords". Sometimes the little
hamster falls asleep in the wheel :)

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From: humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Ong)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Adelaide: Senna-Mansell crash
Date: 13 Nov 1992 07:20:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

mrp@ITD.Adelaide.EDU.AU (Mark Prior) writes:

>In article <1dk3psINN65t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) writes:
>|>
>|> Does someone have the full story on how these two drivers crashed.  I did
>|> watch the race but I'm still not too clear on the reasons for the crash.
>|> As far as I know, Senna's reason was that Mansell outbraked him.

>I wasn't down that end of the track but according to the press Mansell
>claims that Senna deliberately rammed him where as Senna claimed that
>Mansell braked sooner than normal and that because he was running so
>close to Mansell he couldn't stop (or get out of the way). The FISA
>officials supported Senna's view of the incident.

>Looking at the tape of the race I too would support Senna's view.

First, let me point out that I am definitely not a Mansell fan.  While
Senna's argument is very very credible, one also has to give credit to
Mansell's argument that:
- in Monaco, Senna was early braking all the time, sometimes Mansell got
to within centimeters of Senna and yet he did not crash into Senna.

My feeling is that Senna is so much of a shithead by even raising the
"early braking" issue.  After all, who uses this shitty trick most of
the time?  If you'd recall, he early braked the shit out of Prost's
Ferrari in Hockenheim in 1990.  


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From: msorsini@eos.ncsu.edu (MARCO SALVADOR ORSINI)
Subject: Re: Petty's numbers
Originator: msorsini@c00569-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: msorsini@eos.ncsu.edu (MARCO SALVADOR ORSINI)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:05:10 GMT


In article <1992Nov12.160950.30282@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON) writes:
|>Path: taco!rock!stanford.edu!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.cc.lehigh.edu!ns1.cc.lehigh.edu!jth4
|>From: jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON)
|>Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
|>Subject: Petty's numbers
|>Message-ID: <1992Nov12.160950.30282@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
|>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:09:50 EST
|>Organization: Lehigh University
|>Lines: 12
|>
|>With all I've been reading about the Petty's family race car numbers was it
|>just lucky that Kyle got to race #42 Mellow Yellow because I an old race car
|>(matchbox), It was the 42 Mellow Yellow exactly like Kyle's but it was being
|>drive by Bobby Hillin. I thought because Richard drove #43 and his uncle (I
|>believe) drove #44 that Kyle wanted #42.
|>-- 
|>________________________________________________________________________
|>
|>Jon T. Hutchinson, Network Coordinator
|>Office of Telecommunications
|>office 215-758-5099
|>fax    215-758-6127
|>

   In an interview, when Richard Petty was asked about his political

   ambitions after racing he just smiled and said that Clinton 

   is the 42nd president and his car number just happens to be #43.

   So I am here to say lets start a Petty for President in '96. ;-)

   Ha Ha Ha Ha 


  

  Just my attempt at humor.



  Marco
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: Escuderia Bravo F1 Espana launched
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:24:44 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

The Motoring News had an announcement for a new F1 team for 1993.
Escuderia Bravo F1 Espana is to be run by Jean Mosnier (ex-IRTS 
and Lola Motorsport boss) with money from a consortium of Spanish
businessmen with multi-national interests.  Initial backing is for
five years,  apparently with some backing from the Spanish government.

Nick Wirth at Simtek will update the S921 design, run this year by 
Andrea Moda Formula, although there won't be any common components.  
At the moment the S931 is "a wealth of CAD data".  There won't be 
any automatic gearboxes or active suspension to start with, although 
they will have some advanced data acquisition equipment.

No drivers have been signed but Mosnier is keen on Nicola Larini,
who he worked with in the Italian Touring Car Championship a couple
of seasons ago.  He said, "We want two solid performers with good
F1 experience for our first year, preferably of different nationalities.

Bravo is the result of a lot of thought and hard work from Mosnier.
He said, "I chose Spain because the country has nothing else like
it and it was thus ideal when raising support.  There are too many
teams in Britain and Italy."

"Although we will be based in Spain, most of the personnel will be British"

When asked if the team was meant for nurturing Spanish drivers,
Mosnier replied that this would only be if they were good enough,
and that ability would be more important than nationality.
[I suspect that sponsorship dollars will be more important than either]

There hasn't been a shortage of promising, well funded Spanish drivers 
recently - Jordi Gene has won a few F3000 races this year. Pedro de la 
Rosa and Ivan Arias have been front runners in the UK Formula Renault
championship this year.

I hope they've done their sums right because I don't think that Britain's 
superiority in making race cars is genetic.  IMHO the main advantage 
from the UK is the variety of supporting contractors available for 
subcontracting any work.  I'm sure you can find companies in Spain 
to do the job, but I'm not so sure that they'll be able to do it for 
the same price.  I hope they get enough new sponsorship to offset 
these extra costs.


			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: mjackson@xerox.com (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Adelaide: [SPOILERS]
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:00:22 GMT
Reply-To: mjackson@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

[Just in case there's someone who doesn't know about the Senna-Mansell
incident by now.]

In article 1dk3psINN65t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu,
cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) writes:
> 
> Does someone have the full story on how these two drivers crashed.  I did
> watch the race but I'm still not too clear on the reasons for the crash. 
> As far as I know, Senna's reason was that Mansell outbraked him.

The FOSA hotline says Senna's story is that Mansell slowed unexpectedly
with a clear track ahead; Senna was already on the limit of braking and
could not avoid running into him.  Nigel complained to the stewards,
who judged it a "racing incident" and took no action.

*I* didn't see Mansell slow, but at half-past midnight I could well
have missed it.

Congratulations to Stefano Modena for bringing home the season's final
point for Jordan, BTW.  In past years this would have been a Big Deal
as teams scoring no points were excluded from the FOCA travel
arrangements the following season, which made overseas travel more
expensive.  Anyone know if this would have been the case for Jordan in
1993?

---
Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>

  Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
		- Lord Acton, who is almost always misquoted
From: scs@scotty.mv.com (Steve Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Awesome racing in Adelaide
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 01:55:45 GMT
Organization: Better Adjustments Through Better Hammers
Reply-To: scs@scotty.mv.com

OK, I think my NEW PERSONAL news site is NEARLY bug free.
(i sure hope so)   


At the risk of being flamed, (as always :) )
I'd just like to say a few words about the final round 
of the F1 season.
Excellent race. I was on the edge of my couch the whole race.
It was great to see Senna on Mansell's tail (while it lasted)
and even after that ended Berger was chasing down Patrese
until his williams expired and then we were treated to some
closing lap dramatics by the Hot-Shu and although his charge
on Berger never materialzed it was still exciting to be checking
the laps and interval every lap and wondering "what if".
...reminded me of some of the last lap charges that you used
to see in the turbo era.
As far as the accident goes...well, put yourself in Senna`s
suit...think about it for a minute...150 mph entry into a 
hairpin, getting ready to brake, 1-2 carlengths off your 
opponent`s rear wing, look for your braking marker, look for 
your turn-in point, look for your apex....you get the idea.
Everyone who has ever raced competitively knows that you
must not fixate on the car ahead of you. Look where you 
want to go.

enough said  




Steve Scott        Manchester, NH.       scs@scotty.mv.com
Karting: Racing's best kept secret.
From: royce@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Michele J. Royce)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Larousse Fire at Adelaide
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:25:24 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


In amongst the details of Adelaide, there was a question about
the reported fire in the Larousse garage.  Despite the reports
in the Italian press of a bomb type explosion with unknown 
casulalties, it was a minor fire with no injuries or equipment
damage.  According to the Lambourghini Engineering Technical Director
the fire was a result of sparks present in the garage which ignited
fumes during fuel drainage.  This caused a small fire in the garage and
when the mechanic managed to get the container into pit lane, a slightly
larger fire in the pits.  It's amazing how a story can be blown
out of proportion by the press.


Michele Grimm
University of Pennsylvania
(Said Technical Director's Daughter)
From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Phoenix results?
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:25:03 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <1992Nov2.184306.65358@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON) writes:
>In article <jwj2.5.720659473@po.CWRU.Edu>, jwj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jermaster) writes:
>>Could somebody please post the results of the Phoenix race? My university's
>>cable system doesn't carry TNN..... :-(
>>
>Davey Allison won and that's all that matters!!!!!

  Not really. There are others out here who don't have our heads stuck up
 a championship and care where others besides the #28 finished.

  Keep us non 28<->11 fans in mind too, ok?

 -Dan
-- 
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  Dan Schein - Information Systems    __|__       Programming, Parenting,
  RD 1 Box 250                   ______(*)______  Rappelling, and soon...
  Reading, PA 19607                   o/ \o       Sky Diving!

  rehab1!dans@cbmvax.commodore.com -OR- {uunet,rutgers}!cbmvax!rehab1!dans
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bellr00@DMI.USherb.CA (RICHARD BELLAVANCE)
Subject: Static vs. Dynamic friction
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:51:32 GMT


As I don't want to jump right into what seems to be a small war, I am posting
this under different subject line than the main thread (which was ABS and all
this thing about when you're wrong you're wrong...).

Just to clear things up a bit about the two kinds of friction:

Static friction is the friction between two objects (surfaces) that are NOT
moving (sliding or whatever) relative to each other.  Therefore it is the
friction that (more or less) causes the wheels to turn rather than slide along
the pavement.

Dynamic friction is the friction between two surfaces moving relatively to
each other (as when a tire is sliding but not rolling).  Dynamic friction
is EASIER to "break" than static (to convince you of this, try sliding a large
and reasonably heavy box (or whatever) on the floor.  You will notice that
it takes more strentgh (a bigger push) to get the box moving than to keep it
moving afterwards).

So between a rolling tire and the pavement, we have static friction (as long
as there's no wheelspin); and we have dynamic friction between a sliding (or
spinning) tire and the pavement.

Just my two cents...

===========> Richard "Charlot" Bellavance (bellr00@dmi.usherb.ca) <============
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Subject: BMW and Touring cars
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date:  9 Nov 92 00:29:02 GMT

With all the discussion about BMW and the GTCC, I'm surprised no-one
has commented on BMW in the British TCC.  I just read that BMW have
withdrawn from that too.  Apparently they're not allowed to run
ABS or use the two door coupe so they packed up and left.  Prodrive
may run Alfas.  I don't know whether any privateers will run BMWs,
without factory support it seems unlikely.

BTW: BMW ran an E36 (1992) coupe at a Touring Car support race at
the Adelaide GP.  The car ran mechanicals from the old E30 M3 (ie.
a 4 cylinder 2.5 litre engine) and is therefore unique in world
touring car circles but is an example of the sort of stuffing around
CAMS are doing with our Touring Car rules.

Now that BMW have left the GTCC and BTCC, they must have a bag of
money available for motorsport, hmmmmm, Ron Dennis is looking for
an engine.....

One of the above paragraphs is completely unsubstantiated speculation.
Guess which one. :-)
-- 
Paul O'Donnell - Softway Pty Ltd         |"You're just saying that because
Internet: pod@softway.sw.oz.au           |you don't understand art."
Phone: +61 2 698-2322 Fax: +61 2 699-9174|     - Jeremy Fitzhardinge
From: muth@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wayne A Muth)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Sprinters ... Phoenix ... TNN
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:33:05 GMT


  Pretty darn good show Sunday night !  Track lighting pretty bad.

  re TNN -> not bad, a little "stiff" BUT I DARN SURE APPRECIATE
                                                      __________
  THEIR COVERAGE.  Good enthusiasm and energy !!
  ... and it will get better ...

  TO TNN -> THANKS FOR THE COVERAGE !!
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bownes@crd.ge.com (Blender in my Brain)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:48:11 GMT
Reply-To: bownes@crd.ge.com
Organization: 0.030 Over Motorsports

As far as I know, all active aerodynamic devices have been banned for quite some time.
There were several notable expiriments along these lines however. The ones I can 
recall are:

	'Flipper wing' on Chapparal Can-Am cars. Angle of huge rear wing adjustable
and connected to brakes. Great to watch.

	'Air Brake' on late 50's LeMans Mecedes driven by Sterling Moss. Rear bodywork
hinged at rear of car opened up @ end of Mullsane to help braking.

	'Sucker car' - again Chapparal Can-Am. Underside was depressurized with the
aide of a 8hp engine driving a fan.

	And not-quite active - 

	'Ground effect skirts' on 70's Loti F cars. Don't remember the details except
that one came unstuck with terrifying results.

---
Bob Bownes, aka iii "The only way I know where the train will go is when I'm 
sleeping on the tracks" -M. Etheridge
Warning: This may contain opinions. They belong to me, not to Aule-Tek, 
Sun Microsystems, General Electric or anyone else. But you can rent them. 
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: jwodzia@dino.uucp (john wodziak)
Subject: Re: Andretti's on Sitcom
Reply-To: jwodzia@dino.UUCP (john wodziak)
Organization: Clemson University Engineering Department
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:07:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.215340.1959@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>Remember when someone
>called in and asked why they weren't posting NFL scores during
>the course of the race?
>
>The reply was something to the effect that "hey - this is a 
>car race!"  Sounded a lot what those guys on PITSTOP would say :-)
>
>-cball-
Actually the reply was "If it ain't got wheels it ain't a sport!"
(in you best southern drawl, Please ;-). Sounds like someones .sig

If it ain't got wheels or ice it ain't a sport
JRW
jwodzia@eng.wpi.edu
Ummm wrong school.I really mean
jwodzia@eng.clemson.edu
From: bls101@deakin.anu.edu.au (Barbara La Scala)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Adelaide: Senna-Mansell incident (SPOILERS)
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:26:12
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.15.26
In-reply-to: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 8 Nov 1992 22:19:40 GMT

cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) writes:

> Does someone have the full story on how these two drivers crashed.  I did
> watch the race but I'm still not too clear on the reasons for the crash. 
> As far as I know, Senna's reason was that Mansell outbraked him.

Senna ran into the back of Mansell at the hairpin at the start of the
start-finish straight.  Mansell claims it was an idiotic overtaking
manoeuver on Senna's part.  A view the local comentators agreed with at the
time.  However Senna said that Mansell caused the crash by braking sooner
than he had on previous laps.  Since Senna was following so close, he was
in the gap in the air left by Mansell and didn't have much downforce on the
car.  As a result he didn't have enough grip to brake in time when,
according to him, Mansell braked suddenly.

Senna's view was the one shared by the stewards (and Frank Williams).  They
viewed a tape of the race frame by frame and concluded that Mansell had
indeed braked earlier on that lap than he had on previous ones.  Apparently
he started braking about 20 metres sooner.

Mansell is reported to have had a screaming fight with Frank Williams
because Williams wouldn't back up his protest to the stewards.  He
complained bitterly at the post-race press conference about the lack of
support he got from the team and he called the stewards "gutless wimps", so
it appears he will definitely be going to Indy cars next year.  There was a
lot of talk in Adelaide about Williams patching things up with him and
having him back next year but I can't see it happening now.

Senna's comment was (something like) "Mansell is complaining a lot, but
then he is always complaining about something".

Barbara
--
bls101@syseng.anu.edu.au
"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've 
 never tried before." - Mae West