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From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)
Subject: Bip trade update
Summary: A bidding war has broken out...
Keywords: Bipster, Hill, Tomlin, Whiten, Ryan, Jose Guzman
Organization: Pitzer College
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:51:51 GMT

Thanks again to everyone who has responded to the trades swirling around the 
Minnesota League over the St. Cloud Pilgrims.  Let me give you an update:

When we last left the media darlings, the front office was ready to trade 
Glenallen Hill and Randy Tomlin for Bip Roberts.  We were in competition 
with another team for Bip's services and seemed to have it won when a third 
team stepped in with an offer of Mark Whiten and Nolan Ryan.  We have yet to 
discuss further the trade with Bip's owner.  Billy Pilgrim, St. Cloud GM, 
notes that Bip's owner, the Pale Hose, may try to up the ante to Jose 
Guzman.  The staff currently consists of Rijo, El Sid, Jose Guzman and 
Tomlin, backed by Gross, Gubicza, Portugal, Bones and Mark Gardner.  Of the 
others, Porch had a good season before he went down.  The Hose seem 
uninterested.  Pilgrim seeks advice on whether an upgrade to Guzman is 
warranted to capture Bip.  (Remember that we only count slug, steals, ratio 
and errors in face-to-face play.)  Only Bret Boone is currently available at 
the keystone sack for the Broadbrimmers.

Meanwhile, the discussions continue to swirl around Fred McGriff, leader of 
the Pilgrims.  An offer of Bagwell, Winfield and Morgan was rejected out of 
hand by Pilgrim, who countered with replacing Winfield with Justice.  The 
other owner rejected.  But Pilgrim noted that one builds a team by 
collecting McGriffs, not trading them, and will insist on marquee players to 
replace the heart and soul of the Settlers.  A secondary offer of Greg 
Vaughn and Rickey Bones for Mike Morgan is being weighed.

All other deals are currently off the table, except for a trade of cash plus 
Mo Vaughn for Gord Niguma's favorite player*.  (The Minnesota League signs 
with bogus dollars purchased by real, and allows transfer of bogus funds 
between clubs.  Try it -- you'll like it!)  

Sparky Banaian, Owner, St. Cloud Pilgrims.

* -- This is John Olerud, for those unfamiliar with r.s.bb-speak.
From: 93jll@williams.edu (Jennifer Lehoczky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: About the new pro-teams
Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:07:29 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
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In article <1993Jan25.145358.2559@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> warejd@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>What are people's opinions about the new Colorado and Florida teams?
>Do they have any players that would be worth picking up if your rules permit
>it?
>

That all depends on whether or not you are playing in a next year
league (eg Roto) or a long-term league (eg Strat).

For next year, no (OK, Santiago, Harvey)

Lng term, OH BOY, yes

These are two of the best farm systems out there.

In an approximate order:

Nied
Hutchins
Thompson
Hoffman
Martinez
Painter
Rapp

And thats just a few of the starters.

Toby Elliott
From: wabarr@acpub.duke.edu (Will Barr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Wanted:Rotisserie League
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:50:58 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

I am looking to join a rotisserie league in the Durham, Raliegh, Chapel Hill Area, or a league that operates through e-mail which has an opening.

Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated

Sincerely 


	wabarr@acpub.duke.edu
From: bdunkle@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (DUNKLE, BRIAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Argh! APBA (comp) stuff for sale
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:40:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


        Damn. This is the biggest mistake I've made in a while.
        I got answers to some of my concerns, but...this just isn't what I
want in a game. I wish we could combine the APBA play-by-play and such with
PTP's interface and supprt progs.

        APBA Stuff, 2 days old, for sale:

        Statmaster 2.2          $24
        Draft 2.0               $12
        1992 Baseball Game      $24 (includes 1991 data disk) (v 1.5)
        Season Disks:
                1908
                1919
                1920
                1941
                1947
                1951
                1955
                1959
                1964
                1972            $10 each, buy more pay less (i.e. deal on bulk)

        All are on 3.5" disk, and have all docs and "boxes".
        I already sent in the registration cards, but I'll call APBA or
write them or whatever and get the registration transferred so you can
get full support.
        Shipping is $3 per order.
        ** Whole Deal for $125, I pay shipping! **

        Somebody help me out here. :)

        Note: Prices are below APBA's best package prices.

Please reply to: rdunkle@aal.itd.umich.edu
		(this account is lame)
From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Any news about these players?
Keywords: ward, montgomery, joyner, canseco, guzmanju, guillen, franco
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:33:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1jvm4u$53@agate.berkeley.edu> srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio) writes:
>Duane Ward has been in double-figures in saves for five years as a BACKUP
>stopper.  In each of the past two seasons he has struck out more than a
>batter an inning.  He is only 29 years old.  Over the past five years he
>has allowed only a .223 BA and a .301 (!) SLG.  The only thing keeping him
>from getting more saves in the past, Tom Henke, is now with Texas.  Ward
>should get 30+ saves in 1993 with great ERA/Ratio.  He will be worth close
>to $30.  If someone offers him to you for $5, take him quick before the
>guy comes to his senses.
>
>Steven
>

Wait, Steven. I get the crazy impression that you really like Duane Ward.

Me too. I traded for him late last year at $14 and did cartwheels when Henke
wasn't resigned as was expected. 

Geez, now what am I going to do with $28 Schooler? I've had him for three
years and I'm so used to wearing the "I fell for Schooler Again" T-Shirt.

BTW, what do you see for Doug Henry of the Milwaukee Brewers? Will he still
be the closer despite his exhausting year? I don't see anyone to step in
his place, but I may have blinders on.

--Les
From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Questions for Exp. APBA (comp.) players - please!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:23:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rdunkle@aal.itd.umich.edu (R. M. Dunkle) says:

>
>	I had this game in '84, when it was really the only choice, and
>when they sent me the winter special offer, I bought it again - but I can't
>make myself play it, because:
>
>	1. There's no way to get any kind of comprehensive stats on how the
>team and players did in real life. I got ten past seasons with this, and I
>don't know the stats for all of the teams...I can look at players one by one,
>but come on.

  It's not too hard to buy a Baseball Encyclopedia.  Why should you expect
APBA to supply all of those stats?

>	2. In order to replay a season with any realism (pitching rotation 
>especially), I have to re-load the teams 162 times for the team I'm playing, 
>and another 90+ times for the other teams, even if I do the unrealistic for
>the other teams and have them play 12-game series with the same starting 
>pitchers. This has got to be a joke, right? 

   If you play an entire series at once, you can use the 'R' option.  The game
will keep the same teams loaded.  It doesn't take long to load teams with 
Baseball 1.5 anyway.  You do have the teams on a hard drive, don't you?

>	Is there a way around any of this? I can't believe the game would be 
>this unuseable. I like the action/play-by-play, but I don't have the spare time
>to waste with some of this crap.

  Maybe I'm not understanding your question.  I think the game is great and
I play 200+ league games a year on it.

>	Maybe they'll give me my money back for the whole package, but I doubt
>it.
>	If not, anyone want to buy APBA 1.5, statmaster 2.2, Draft 2.0, and
>Micromanager 1.0 with ten season disks? :(
>	Please, please tell me I'm wrong about this.

  It was my understanding that Micromanager had an option to allow you to play
an entire season's worth of games.  Maybe that could solve the problems you've 
been having.

SfH
-- 
Steven F. Hubbard                ** "If people don't want to come to the 
Case Western Reserve University  **     ballpark, how are you gonna stop them? 
Department of Physics            **  
Cleveland, OH 44106              **                         -- Yogi
From: doctor8@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Jason Abner Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Questions about the Flying Australian
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:31:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
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	Can anyone out there enlighten me about Dave Nilsson, the
Brewers' catching prospect and Surhoff's replacement?  I recently
acquired him in a Strat-O expansion draft, to platoon with Mike
MacFarlane, and was wondering if he had any kind of a future.
	Thanks in advance.

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From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Gollenbock, Benson books out
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:40:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

The 1992 Bill James Baseball Book was not as useful to fantasy players as
his earlier books had been, IMHO.  Myself, I thought that was just great,
even though as noted I look to James for my primary fantasy info.  I felt
what Bill was saying was "real baseball is more important than fantasy
baseball," which is a point worth making on occasion.

Of course, he probably makes a pretty penny on his own fantasy game ...

Steven

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Subject: Re: Face to face versus totals
Reply-To: tloughin@IASTATE.EDU (Thomas M Loughin)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:16:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.202358.22866@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu
(Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
> In article <kbanaian.194.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu>
kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
> >Please reply to the following question:
> >
> >"If you had a team in a face-to-face league AND a roto team (let's say, one 
> >that also counted doubles, triples and walks for hitters), how would they 
> >differ?  How would you alter your drafting strategy between the two
leagues?"
> 
> In a face-to-face league, superstars are at less of a premium, I
> think.  It doesn't do you any good to have Rickey Henderson steal
> eight bases in one week and then be injured for the next month.  It
> might also be a bad idea to choose a bunch of players on the same
> team.  Faced with a cold spell or a strong team, they might all
> collapse at once.
> 
The dreaded "live and die with the Angels" syndrome.  I know it well...

One thing that is particularly important in our league is catching, since 
they take so many scheduled days off.  The common strategy is to draft your 
starter's backup.  In our Annual (no carryover) league, I drafted Lenny 
Webster to back up Harper.  You'd never do that in a roto-league.  

Also, sometimes the deciding factor between two players is the expected 
playing time, rather than the "pure quality" of the players.  Depending on 
the makeup of your team, you may find that Manuel Lee is more valuable 
than, say, Jeff Blauser (assuming he splits time with Belliard).

On the other hand, it's often possible to pick up high-production platoon 
players, and use them well, if you've got full-timers backing them up.  At 
least in our system, if your first-listed player has the day off, you drop 
down to the next guy, and so on.  If you can't fill a position, you take an 
0-fer-4.

Using this strategy, I've won the league twice in three years be assembling 
collections of talent in the outfield (no LF/CF/RF, just OF) like Milt 
Thompson, Mitch Webster, Kevin Reimer, and Luis Gonzalez, who seem to hit 
well enough when platooned, while concentrating stars in infield positions
(Frank Thomas, Edgar Martinez, Delino Deshields, Tony Fernandez, and Brian 
Harper...maybe not _all_ stars, but by far the best overall infield in our
league).  
 
This won't necessarily work with different systems, though.

-Tom.




> >I realize adding three categories imbalances the value of hitters and 
> >pitchers, so assume that somehow we can correct that problem.  Don't ask me 
> >how.
> 
> Depends. you can always weight the categories, I suppose.
> 
> -Valentine
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Gollenbock, Benson books out
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:05:05 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

>>Steven who actually tries not to do a damn thing until the Bill James
>>Baseball Book comes out

Which book?  I'm familiar with the 1993 stat books, but what comes out in the
Spring.  Is it really that bad?  What about the stat books?  Excuse my 
ignorance, but I'm a first time leaguer.
  
                                              Thanks,
                                                      P. Tierney
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall)
Subject: Address for Patton this year?
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: Hi, I'm Matt, and I'm...a Boston Red Sox fan
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:56:59 GMT

I'm inferring Alex Patton still doesn't have a regular publisher this year
since he don't show up in Forthcoming books...

does anybody have the address to direct order his book? Sean, is this in
the FAQ?

- Matt


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From: thom@well.sf.ca.us (Thom Rogers)
Subject: Re: Darrin Jackson on the block?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:06:48 GMT


Thanks for confirming my fears.
I'll get a lot because his salary is so low, I'm shopping him now.  I feel I
have about 18 excess value in Jackson and that's how I'm aapproaching trade
talks.  I'll post my deal if I make it.
From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Gollenbock, Benson books out
Date: 23 Jan 93 08:08:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

_The Bill James Baseball Book_ usually comes out in late March.  I'll read
anything he writes, and the BB is his spring biggie.  With that book, I
feel more confident, because I get James' opinions from the horse's mouth,
so to speak.

But the Stats Inc. books are uniformly excellent in their own right.  I
use them all, and would put in a special plug for the annual _Baseball
Scoreboard_, which has little or nothing to do with fantasy baseball but
which is both fun and informative about "real" baseball.  Most fun books
have no information, and most informative books have no fun ... the
_Scoreboard_ does both.

Steven
From: srubio@garnet.berkeley.edu (Steven Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Any news about these players?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:32:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: henry

I think we have to begin with the idea that Henry is the stopper. 
However, if you are on the lookout for sleepers, the Brewers wouldn't be a
bad place to start.  Fetters looked very good last year but I heard he had
surgery in the off-season.

Steven

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: arrow@netcom.com (Les Arrow)
Subject: Re: Kreuger and Williams
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:54:30 GMT

In article <C1IpBL.zL@cs.dal.ca> colin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Colin Edward Mac Donald) writes:
>
>Any one know where Bill Krueger(sp?) has ended up? I had him in a AL league
>last year and left him on my roster after he was traded to Montreal...I know,
>bad managing...Has he come back to the American League or is he still in
>the NL.
>

Krueger signed with Detrioit and should be the third starter.

>Also, are both Bernie and Gerald Williams going to start in NY this year?
>

I don't know. Maybe someone who gets the times cn answer this one.  Bernie 
will start in center. O'Neill in right. And ??? in Left - possibly Tartabull.

--Les
From: camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Rany Jazayerli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Analysis on this trade...
Date: 28 Jan 1993 11:17 EST
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
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	I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could give their comments on the
following trade:

	I've got an expansion team in a perpetual stratomatic league, and the
team with the best record in the league 4 years running is willing to trade me
Alex Fernandez, Brian McRae, Glenn Davis, and two mid-line draft picks for
Arthur Rhodes and Reggie Jefferson.  Obviously, Rhodes is the big man here - 
he's without a doubt my best player and most tradeable commodity.  But I still
might make this trade, though I have a few questions:

	1) Just how good is Reggie Jefferson, and how much playing time will he
	likely get with the Indians?

	2) Is Chicago still committed to Alex Fernandez in the rotation, and 
	will he get enough innings to prove himself this year (I'm pretty sure
	that, if left alone, he will turn into a very solid starter, a la 
	Melido Perez).

	3) And most importantly, is Glenn Davis totally healthy?  And if he is,
	do the Orioles plan on making him their full-time first baseman?  I'm
	hearing a lot about David Segui playing 1B on opening day (God forbid!),
	so I don't really know where Glenn fits in with the O's plans.

	Any comments would be appreciated.  Thanx.


	Rany Jazayerli			camden@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
	---------------------------------------------------------
	Kevin Appier: 1993 Cy Young	George Brett: Cooperstown 2000
	David Cone: 1993 Cy Runner-Up
From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:25:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Please help me understand Patton $'s
Organization: OCD IC MFG
From: sullis@rs6306.ecs.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: About the new pro-teams
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:12:34 GMT
Organization: Rotisserie Polytechnic Institute (Troy, NY, USA)

In article <1993Jan25.145358.2559@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> warejd@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>What are people's opinions about the new Colorado and Florida teams?
>Do they have any players that would be worth picking up if your rules permit
>it?

Well, the Marlins did sign Benito Santiago.

And Bryan Harvey (former Angel) will be the closer
for the Marlins.
-- 
# Sean C. Sullivan (sullis@rpi.edu) | R.P.I. | DISCLAIMER:  Not!   #
# (AFS home directory:  /afs/rpi.edu/home/95/sullis)               #
# "Holy mother of God, what is Lou Gorman smoking?" == Dave Kirsch #
From: Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Advice About Roster
Date: 29 Jan 93 01:52:08 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Okay, guys. I have the following pitchers in my fantasy league (AL
only). Which ones should I hold on to? Basically, our league is a
perpetual league that runs on a complex point system. What I should do
is dump anyone (and having the least money of anyone in the league and
the last draft pick) I think is going to decline. I need to get rid of
some of them, and would rather keep anyone on the rise. Keep in mind
that the better their '92 season was, the more expensive he is. Five
pitchers (regardless of roles) are active at one time.  Who should I
dump? Feel free to e-mail or post your suggestions/comments.

Kevin Appier, Melido Perez, Mike Moore, Jeff Montgomery, Todd
Stottlemyre, Scott Radinsky, Dennis Cook, Todd Burns, Mike Henneman,
Paul Abbott, Eric King, Willie Banks, Eric Bell 

If you don't understand (hard to explain), just send your general
feelings about those pitchers. Thanx in advance.

-Tim Young, Dartmouth College, Class of '96
The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of Dartmouth
College, its students, or anyone else.
"Not everyone can carry the weight of the world..."- R.E.M.
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Face to face versus totals
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:23:58 GMT

In article <kbanaian.194.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu> kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
>Please reply to the following question:
>
>"If you had a team in a face-to-face league AND a roto team (let's say, one 
>that also counted doubles, triples and walks for hitters), how would they 
>differ?  How would you alter your drafting strategy between the two leagues?"

In a face-to-face league, superstars are at less of a premium, I
think.  It doesn't do you any good to have Rickey Henderson steal
eight bases in one week and then be injured for the next month.  It
might also be a bad idea to choose a bunch of players on the same
team.  Faced with a cold spell or a strong team, they might all
collapse at once.

>I realize adding three categories imbalances the value of hitters and 
>pitchers, so assume that somehow we can correct that problem.  Don't ask me 
>how.

Depends. you can always weight the categories, I suppose.

-Valentine
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
From: ggreenbe@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Kreuger and Williams
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:09:16 GMT

>>>Also, are both Bernie and Gerald Williams going to start in NY this year?

>The reason given for trading Kelly was to get a LH bat *and* to make room 
>for Bernie in CF.  They really don't have an alternative.  Figure him for 
>500 ABs.

>Gerald will play in Columbus this year.  As a $1 wonder he's worth a spot on 
>a reserve list, or even holding him on your active if you have no reserve 
>list.  But do not plan on him as more than a September call-up or an injury

I disagree.  While preparing for the draft I read a lot about both Gerald and 
Bernie.  Bernie has had over 250 at bats each of the last two years for NY
and he really hasn't done much while Gerald had a great year in AAA 
Columbus and a great spetember call up hitting 3 homers in 27 at bats
while hitting 296.  I think that the Yanks will give Gerald his shot this year. 
--
ggreenbe@nyx.cs.du.edu

Go Mets! Go Kansas Jayhawks!
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