From: ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: My objections to the survey... (just an opinion)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 01:53:17 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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In article <SAHMED.92Nov6184805@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
> In article <1dek0uINNqqa@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:

>    It is?  I guess that leaves open the possibility that you did...  I
>    wonder why.  I'll leave it at that...

> Yes it leaves open all possibilities. But I didn't object to those
> and I am not objecting to the survey. This whole discussion also
> leaves open the possibility that you are objecting to the survey
> simply because you didn't think of it.

It does?  I thought I had clearly stated reasons why I thought it was
pointless...  I generally don't feel particularly motivated about
pointless things! :)  One has to wonder what kind of thought process
would lead you to such conclusions...  Do you strive for pointless
things, Saif?

>    No, why, did you?  Clearly, as I have said above, the "SCB awards" do
>    not qualify as fingerpointing for the simple reason there were enough
>    smileys and other obvious indications of humor attached to have made
>    the whole exchange be nothing other than a playful joke.  An organized
>    survey requesting every individual to list their likes and dislikes
>    falls in a different category entirely.
> 
> Of corse Shakil Waiz Ahmed said that the SCB awards do not qualify as
> fingerpointing because of the smilies. Zunaid, and others, shame onyou
> for not adding smilies.

Now you're insulting others too?

>    The context was there if you would care to look at the original
>    message.  And if you would be kind enough to look at the full message
>    that you are quoting (but as usual, conveniently cutting out the relevant
>    parts), you will find the context repeated.
> 
> Whatever I cut is always the relevant portions.

Yes, Saif, I think most of us have figured that one out by now! (Note
what you said below about assuming scb'ites to be morons...)

>    > What an
>    > individual posts may improve the quality of scb.  Of course such an
>    > improvementwould be a violation of the "spirit of scb". 
> 
>    It would?  Why?
> 
> Because you say so remember? Of course you take your lessons well from
> Ronald Reagan.

I do?  Funny, because I do have the article and I didn't say that.
What did you say about Reagan?

>    > >The point here
>    > <some stuff deleted next paragraph "out of context" There I saved
>    > Shakil from writing it>
> 
>    Good Saif, you're outdoing yourself today.  To ensure that what you
>    say is indeed "out of context," you go through the effort of
>    *deleting* the context and then proceed to repeat yourself anyway.
> 
> Well I always out do others so why not outdo myself.

I think you just did the latter again... :)

>    > The point is taken. My point is this. The survey could not have done
>    > any more harm than the scb awards could have done. 
> 
>    Clearly, as is often the case, your point is wrong.  There was no
>    official air about individuals posting a few jokes under the "SCB
>    awards" category.  But an organized survey which requests replies from
>    everyone is a very different matter indeed.  Such a survey gives off
>    the illusion of an official mandate which is nonexistent.  
> 
> Only Shakil Waiz Ahmed's points are correct. Thats why, folks he has
> the Waiz as his middle name. 

Good point -- I'll have to let my parents know. :)

>    > It may not do any good other than to satisfy the authors curiosity. 
> 
>    It probably *will* do no other good than that.
> 
> O.K. So what? So what if it does no other good.

So why should I participate in a pointless exercise?  

>    > As for improvements,
>    > why worry about the authors authority to implement any improvements
>    > when they don't have the capability to do so.
> 
>    I worry about the false image of authority it seems to present.  And
>    given all this, I simply don't see the point behind it.  That's why I
>    choose to abstain.  You obviously disagree, and you are free to
>    participate in that and any other surveys.  I am merely stating my
>    reasons for not filling out this survey.
> 
> Are you under the impression that scbites are complete morons or
> something, that as soon as someone posts a survey people will think
> them gods.

I wasn't.  But after seeing your "contributions..." ;)

The very act of sending lists of likes and dislikes to someone carries
an official air.  That is what I object to.

-- Shakil
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