From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting,alt.athiesm
Subject: Re: Levis Drops Boy Scouts...
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:57:20 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

In article <1992Aug14.173624.10218@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>In article <BsyGBD.66w@acsu.buffalo.edu> omhoward@acsu.buffalo.edu (The God-Bitch Emperor of Snuggle Bunnies) writes:
>>    No stan, they decided to do it all by themselves...  Is that what
>>you (the people so feverently supporting this campaign against Levi's
>>& Co) are afraid of?  That people are finially looking that this whole
>>issue and dare deciding that you're wrong?
>
>You know darn well what the issue is.  It's Levi, et.al., succumbing
>to guerrilla warfare being waged against BSA by trying to dry up
>their sources of funding.  All of a sudden, an organization that is
>based on normal, proper, moral values, is under attack

Please back up this statement-
 1) Show that irrational bigotry is proper and moral.
 2) Show that normality (mediocrity) is a desirable trait.
 3) Show that Levi's was pressured into doing the right thing.

>something
>is wrong here, and Levi's or BofA or Wells Fargo succumbing to those
>attacks is a sick statement of the state of our society.

The fact that a bunch of bigots believes they are owed funding is
incredible.

>>      I renmeber this arguement in our mail messages.. Funny you
>>stopped writing when you couldn't prove your point..  Well, I'm going
>>to say something to you stan... Even in being gay was a choice (and
>>it's not.. (try being gay for a week stan.. Go ahead sleep with a man
>>et all)  I'll bet you can't.) anywho even if it was a choice.. IT
>
>	Actually, I couldn't sleep with anyone other than my wife,
>	and I'm sure that involves an override of animal instincts
>	too.

And what about homosexuals who don't sleep with any one but there lover?
(if you want to say that homosexuals are incapable of being faithful
 be prepared to prove it)

>>WOULD BE MY CHOICE!  You still have no more right to discriminate
>>against me than I have to persecute you because you're christian.  
>>Oh, BTW Morality (as I said in my letters) aren't for you or anyone
>>else to judge.. If it doesn't hurt you or anyone else you should just
>>but out.
>
>First of all, this discussion is NOT appropriate for rec.scouting.
>BSA has it's rules and moral standards; if you CHOOSE not to live by
>them, it's your problem, not BSA's. 

Levi's and Wellsfargo have there moral standards if BSA chooses not
to live by them, its your problem, not there's.

>Just because you stand on a
>soapbox, it doesn't mean that the societal norm will change to suit
>YOU.   

Just because you stand on a soap box doesn't mean society will stand
in place for you. Change is the norm.

>ou claim it's "discrimination"; I claim you are misusing that
>word so badly that you mask the legitimate problems and issues of
>minority groups.  

And it wouldn't be discrimination to expell left handed people
either since they can't yet prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that
its inborn?

>God gave us all brains so that we can control our
>behavior and override our animal instincts; there are people who
>because of their place of birth or ancestry are discriminated against
>because of factors, such as skin color, that they can't override with
>their brains. 

Yes they can look at Michael Jackson. Going from Black to White or
vice versa is more feasable than changing orientation. Yet no one
in there right mind would ask a black person to change skin color
to conform to a sick society, why should I attempt to change my
orientation to conform to a sick society?

>Your lifestyle outside the societal norm is your CHOICE,

There you go with norm again. Get a clue normality is not something
to be strived for. By definition no great person was normal, where
would society be if it weren't for all the abnormal people who moved
it forward? People like galileio (sp?) who dared to question the "normal"
view of the universe as defined by the church?

>and society doesn't have to change for you in the same way that it
>didn't have to change for hippie communes with their promiscuity and
>illegal drug use.  

And society doesn't have to stay the same for you in the same way
that it didn't stay the same for the catholic church that attempted
to surpress all new scientific discoveries because they where "immoral".

>The situation involving real minority groups, with
>legitimate issues of discrimination, is totally different from your
>pathetic attempts to jump on their bandwagon.

Apply the above statement to the jews and see how it sounds.

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