HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Herman.Woltring@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Herman Woltring)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: Natural Language to SQL systems
Summary: Structured Query Language, Query Mgt Facility
Keywords: SQL, QMF
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:48:58 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <524@ssdc.UUCP> cmac@ssdc.UUCP (Chris McNeilly) writes:
>I'm in search of commercial systems that are natural language front
>ends for relational databases.  The user enters english queries and
>the system kicks out sql.  Does anybody have any experience with any
>of these systems and can recommend one?  Currently I'm using a system
>from Natural Language and it seems to have problems dealing with some
>of the things we need to do.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris
>
>----------------------------------
>
>Chris McNeilly                        
>Sterling Software
>Work         703-356-3551
>FAX          703-821-1485
>email        cmac%ssdc@uunet.uu.net        
>	     uunet!ssdc!cmac
>

You could try the SQL/QMF facilities of Philips Communications & Processing
Services, Building VA-181, Philips, P.O.B. 218, NL - 5600 MD  EINDHOVEN, The
Netherlands, Tel. +31.40.785 767 / 782 400 (Mr T. Bulle) for details and
further contact information.  QMF is a report generator used in connection
with QSL.
 
Herman J. Woltring <woltring@nici.kun.nl>
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Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.neural-nets,sci.cognative,alt.consciousness,comp.ai.philosophy,sci.psychology
From: tim@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (Tim Roberts)
Subject: Re: Human intelligence vs. Machine intelligence
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:05:41 GMT

wstein@eis.calstate.edu (William K. Stein) writes:

>rob@apache.dtcc.edu (Rob Jarman) writes:
>>
>> I'm looking for information or references on human intelligence vs.
>> machine intelligence for a research paper. Could any of you help?


>  Read Penrose's,  "The Emporer's New Mind".  All the rest is nonesense.

>Zev Stein
>wstein@eis.calstate.edu

I beg to disagree (but only by about 180 degrees).

The truth is there are thousands of possible references, depending on which
specific aspect you wanted to look at.  For general, thought-provoking non-
technical stuff Hofstadter & Dennett's collection of articles in "The Mind's
I" is essential reading.

-- 
Tim S Roberts
School of Applied Science                 tel:     051-226467
Monash University (Gippsland)             fax:     051-221348
Switchback Road
Churchill                                 email:   tim@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au
Victoria 3842
Australia
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From: mike@park.bu.edu (Michael Cohen)
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.cog-eng,comp.software-eng,comp.ai.neural-nets,misc.jobs.offered,ne.jobs,bionet.jobs,biz.jobs.offered,bu.general,comp.theory.dynamic-sys,comp.theory.self-org-sys,mit.bboard,sci.math,sci.cognitive,sci.psychology,sci.misc,sci.physics
Subject: Cognitive and Neural System Postdoc
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:46:24 GMT
Followup-To: comp.ai
Organization: Information Technology, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: mike@park.bu.edu

POSTDOCTORAL FELLOW

CENTER FOR ADAPTIVE SYSTEMS
AND
DEPARTMENT OF COGNITIVE AND NEURAL SYSTEMS
BOSTON UNIVERSITY


A postdoctoral fellow is sought to join the Center for Adaptive Systems 
and the Department of Cognitive and Neural Systems, which are research 
leaders in the development of biological and artificial neural networks. 
A person is sought who has a substantial research and publication record 
om developing neural network models of image processing and adaptive 
pattern recognition. Salary: $30,000+. Excellent opportunities for broadening 
knowledge of neural architectures through interactions with a faculty trained 
in psychology, neurobiology, mathematics, computer science, physics, and 
engineering. Well-equipped computer, vision, speech, word recognition, and 
motor control laboratories are in the Department. Boston University is 
an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. Please send a curriculum 
vitae, 3 letters of recommendation, and illustrative research articles by
January 15, 1993 to: 

Postdoctoral Search Committee 
Center for Adaptive Systems 
Boston University
111 Cummington Street 
Room 244 
Boston MA 02215 






-- 
Boston University (617-353-7857) Email: mike@park.bu.edu
Smail: Michael Cohen                     111 Cummington Street, RM 242
       Center for Adaptive Systems        Boston, Mass 02215
       Boston University
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From: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens)
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.neural-nets,sci.cognative,alt.consciousness,comp.ai.philosophy,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Human intelligence vs. Machine intelligence
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:04:21 GMT
	<zlsiida.178@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>
Followup-To: comp.ai.philosophy
Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool, UK

>>>>> On 5 Oct 92 15:39:59 GMT, zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) said:

> In article <BvM75v.AEF@eis.calstate.edu> wstein@eis.calstate.edu (William K. Stein) writes:

>>  Read Penrose's,  "The Emporer's New Mind".  All the rest is nonesense.

> Au contraire.  Penrose's book is very interesting, but his conclusions are 
> decidedly iffy.  I'm not going to justify this statement, but some of the 
> people on comp.ai might be prepared to.  

Well, I won't jump in except to say that I think his arguments are
iffy too.  Actually I'd probably argue for "nonsense" most days.  A
few slightly less controversial (though not much less!) books are:

  Daniel Dennett  "Consciousness Explained"
  Michael Lockwood "Mind, Brain and the Quantum"
  Marvin Minsky "Society of Mind"
  Hans Moravec  "Mind Children"

There's a nice collection by Margaret Bowden (sp?) the name of which
escapes me.  Something like "Philosophy of AI".
--
Bruce Stephens.  Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Liverpool Univ.
Internet: bruce@uxb.liv.ac.uk     JANET: bruce@uk.ac.liv.uxb
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.robotics,sci.electronics
From: rmt@unh.edu (Roy M. Turner)
Subject: (Request) Advice on AI text for non-CS majors
Reply-To: rmt@cs.unh.edu (Roy M. Turner)
Organization: Computer Science Department/Marine Systems Eng. Lab., U. New
	Hampshire
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:38:25 GMT


Hi folks,

I got roped into, er, I mean, I have the honor of teaching an Honors course in
"High Technology" (whatever that means) in the Spring.  I would like to teach
the students about AI without making them learn Lisp and programming in
general.  I may just go ahead and use Rich and Knight as a text and talk them
through hairy (to them) parts, but I was wondering if anyone else has tried
teaching AI to non-CS types and, if so, what book he or she could recommend.

Thanks.
	--Roy
--
-------------
Roy M. Turner
Research Assistant Professor
Department of Computer Science/Marine Systems Engineering Laboratory
Kingsbury Hall, University of New Hampshire, Durham, NH 03824
Internet:   rmt@cs.unh.edu			Phone: (603)862-2980
From: blojo@xcf.berkeley.edu (Jon Blow)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: Fuzzy logic references wanted
Date: 27 Sep 1992 06:02:03 GMT
Organization: UCB Experimental Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: graft.berkeley.edu

"Tim" writes:

> It has never been clear (ie fuzzy) to me what the distinction between neural-
> nets and fuzzy logic is.  However my limited understanding tels me that they
> are too close to be usfully separated.

Fuzzy logic is a method of set construction and combination used to symbolize
the manipulation and comparison of imprecise values and produce pragmatic
results.

Neural networks are a way to perform computations in a decentralized manner.
The decentralization allows one to fine-tune or alter computations by
changing the weights of links between nodes.

The two seem fairly distinct to me.  Distinct enough, for example, for
people to create the oft-seen "fuzzy neural networks" in which fuzzy logic
is used for input combination and output decision.

> I personally feel that AI alreaty has too many arbitrary encampments that
> stand by this or that techneque to exclusion of other usfull work.

I personally feel that the only people with this viewpoint are those who
are not really knowledgable about AI.

For example, nobody who understands fuzzy logic will make a sincere claim
like "fuzzy logic IS artificial intelligence," or even, "fuzzy logic IS
THE BEST WAY TO DO artificial intelligence."  For one, nobody seems to
agree on exactly what AI is, and besides that, the problem of producing
it just isn't that simple.

Fuzzy logic is "good" insofar as it provides a method of symbol manipulation
which produces results that people want.  Many people believe that these
results would be useful in implementing artificial intelligence.  However,
I don't think that the sort of hard-nosed partisanism that Tim envisions
really exists among people who are really aware of the issues.  They know
that these things are tools.

> Perhaps others and yourself could shed more light on these destinctions.

If you actually want a deep understanding of a subject, I would suggest
that you read research papers; they are likely to be much more dense in
terms of useful information than newsgroup discussions.

  -Jon

PS: You shouldn't make "fuzzy" puns in AI newsgroups, because everybody
    who is slightly knowledgable about fuzzy logic but not very seems
    to delight in making such terrible puns, whereas those who are at
    least somewhat trained in the subject and probably very much so
    have heard many of these puns before and find them all awful, since
    most of them are fairly isomorphic to each other.
From: benanav@earth.njit.edu (Dan Benanav)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: How many sentences? Estimate?
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:48:31 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

fawcett@unix1.cs.umass.edu (Tom Fawcett) writes:

>benanav@earth.njit.edu (Dan Benanav) writes:
>>Many people responded with this.  Apparently few can find a reasonable
>>restriction to make the number of sentences finite.
>>Ok how about this.  Approxomately how many sentences are
>>there with only 2 words each of which is less then 20 characters long.
>>After we figure that out we can try for three words.

>I would still like to hear:

>1) Assuming you can come up with an approximate value, how will it improve
>   your life to know this number? 

>2) What does this have to do with artificial intelligence?

>-Tom


How will it improve your life to know the answer to these two questions?
What does my answering have to do with AI?

Note, you have just doubled the number of useless questions asked.  :)
 

     Dan
Newsgroups: comp.ai
From: dalmandm@infonode.ingr.com (Dianne M. Dalman)
Subject:  Question about the profession of Psychology
Summary:  What exactly do you do all day?  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:34:47 GMT



Hello,

I have a degree in applied mathematics , and with such have been
working for 4 years as a senior software analyst.  However, I'm 
already experiencing boredom and the beginning signs of carpal tunnel
syndrome, SO... I've been thinking of a change of career down the
road.  Before I invest 4 (?) more years and $30,000 in schooling, 
though, I'd like to investigate this career, separate fact from
fiction.

Please only respond to questions you know the answers to.
Guesswork I can do myself!

1.  Describe what you do in an average working day...no, make that
    two days.  Describe a good day, and a bad day in your life.

2.  The schools in my area are not all that highly rated (I think.)
    How can I tell if the degree I get from my "local" university
    is going to be worth anything when I graduate (University of
    Alabama, Huntsville.)  I moved here for the job, and cannot
    move at this time. (Married). What's the closest RESPECTED U?


3.  What are the various fields I could specialize in, and what
    type of actual work would they entail?

4.  What was the most difficult part of getting your PhD or MS?

5.  What is one more thing you think I should seriously consider
    when thinking about going into this field of study.

BONUS QUESTION:  What is your actual salary range, relative to
                 your education level and # of years of experience.
                 (i.e. does it pay the rent?)  ;-) ;->


B #2 - Do you have to publish papers to be respected in your field?

Thank you for your time and help!

Send replies to:

dianne@dianne.b24b.ingr.com
(Dianne Ferrans)

(flames to >/dev/null! This is the only psyc group on my net!
 I apologise if you consider this request a waste of bandwidth.)  

 .... (Don't analyze above statement. (smile)  )

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Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.neural-nets,sci.cognative,alt.consciousness,comp.ai.philosophy,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Human intelligence vs. Machine intelligence
From: wstein@eis.calstate.edu (William K. Stein)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:49:07 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

rob@apache.dtcc.edu (Rob Jarman) writes:
> 
> I'm looking for information or references on human intelligence vs.
> machine intelligence for a research paper. Could any of you help?


  Read Penrose's,  "The Emporer's New Mind".  All the rest is nonesense.

Zev Stein
wstein@eis.calstate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.edu,comp.ai.neural-nets
From: nafpliot@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (Nicholas Nafpliotis)
Subject: Re: Why not have a group for Genetic Algorithms?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:59:34 GMT

eadengle@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Ed "Cynwrig" Dengler) writes:

>I cannot understand why there is always an insistance on starting a new
>newsgroup at the drop of a pin (I am not picking on Tom Oates in particular,
>just that this was the nth message I had seen, and I just had to post). There
>is a perfectly good mailing list that is maintained about genetic algorithms,
>which I find much more convenient to read than newsgroups (there is a MUCH
>higher signal-to-noise ratio than in most unmoderated newsgroups).

>To subscribe, I quote out of the GA-List mail message:

>	Send submissions to GA-List@AIC.NRL.NAVY.MIL
>	Send adminstrative requests to GA-List-Request@AIC.NRL.NAVY.MIL

>So to subsribe, please send a "PLEASE SUBSCRIBE ME" type message to the
>GA-List_Request address.

>Thanks (for listening to my rantings and ravings),
>Ed

>PS. If there is such a large interest in a fuzzy logic group, why not try
>    to find someone to administrate a Fuzzy-List mailing list. If enough
>    people subscribe, then there might be an argument to actually creating
>    a news group.

The reason I was asking about a group for GA's are this.  

1. I know there is a mailing list for GA's  however, this list is moderated 
which is not a bad idead, however it would intimidate people on submitting
questions, articles, etc....

2. There is lag time with a list.  While some people are comfortable with 
that, others aren't.

3. By having a newsgroup for GA's.  People who just want to find out, rather
than get involved with them can do so comfortably.  This would be good for the
GA community in general by giving more publicity to the subject.

4. On a mailing list, there can be no forum for a discussion.  It is very 
hard to have a large group discussion over a list.  Something which can
bring out many new ideas and contacts is pretty much stifled.

6. This isn't a on a drop of a pin.  I've been waiting a year for someone to
do this.  

7. Perfectly good does not exclude other things.  And how much bandwidth
has been wasted over "How do you subscribe", etc?  Lists are good, and healthy
but so are newsgroups.

I am simply asking for a discussion and support or rejection before I or
someone else go ahead and post a discussion to news.groups.announce.

So please, does anyone have any good, bad comments about having a GA news group?

Thanks again,

Nick Nafpliotis
nick-n@uiuc.edu
From: shur@cs.concordia.ca (SHURTLEFF h. michael)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Voice recognition systems.. anyone?
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:10:55 GMT
Distribution: NA
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

I am looking for information regarding experience with commercial voice-
recognition systems which can recognize isolated or connected words
transmitted over telephone lines.  Has anyone any information
regarding
    -cost
    -error rates
    -talk through (interrupt) capability
    - word spotting
    -vocabulary size
    -connected speech recognition
    -foreign language capabilities
    -speaker verification.
    - hardware platforms
          
for any of these systems?

Please email me at shur@cs.concordia.ca
I will summarize for usenet readers. Thank you.

Mike
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From: leoso@cs.arizona.edu (Leo WaiChung So)
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.edu,comp.ai.neural-nets
Subject: Re: Has making a group for Genetic Algorithms been discussed?
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:03:17 GMT
Followup-To: comp.ai
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <BvD31o.FwK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nafpliot@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (N.N.) writes:
>I don't want to go over old hash, but has the idea of a group for 
>Genetic Algorithms been discussed?  Something like comp.ai.ga?  If not, 
>can this be discussed?  I would like to know if interest in such a group
>is widespread, or if limited to only a few people.
>
  I don't know whether comp.ai.ga exists or not. But I am very interested
  in GA and would like to see such a group under comp.ai.

  Cheers,
  leo.
--
  Leo WaiChung So               Internet : leoso@cs.arizona.edu
  Department of Computer Science    UUCP : uunet!arizona!leoso
  University of Arizona           Bitnet : leoso%cs.arizona.edu@arizona.bitnet
  Tucson, AZ 85721, USA        Quotation : "Look ahead, plan ahead, go ahead."
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: Has making a group for Genetic Algorithms been discussed?
From: <GE0QC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 19:52:05 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

yhea, me too.

Levi
ge0qc@cunyvm
From: rahu@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Vadivelu Rahuraman)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.shells
Subject: tesing
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:47:39 GMT
Organization: QPSX Communications LTD, Perth, Western Australia.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Testing
From: s897461@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Alfred YAU)
Newsgroups: comp.ai.shells
Subject: Information on DIC Expert System
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:11:58 GMT

Hello netters,
  
             Have you heard about DIC, which is an expert system 
developed by Syntelligence Inc, USA(I think) ? If you have
any information on this product, such as
             (a) what DIC stands for 
             (b) What is the strength of this ES compare to
                 others ES such as XCON and MYCIN 
             (c) Any good references on DIC

and etc info... Any help is much appreciated.



Alfred Yau 
Royal Melbourne Instititu of Technology, City Campus
Melbourne, Australia
Newsgroups: comp.ai.shells
From: cxpwu@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Wu XiPing)
Subject: ftp site for CLIPS
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:00:52 GMT

I am looking for a copy of CLIPS for use in my class. Can any
knowledgeable netter provide me with the ftp address if it does
exist? Otherwise, can anyone tell me how to contact the related 
agency for purchasing a copy? Fax number or email address of 
the CLIPS developers at NASA Johnson is also needed. I shall be
very grateful for any help from you.

By the way, if you have come across some good shells for building
hybrid systems on either workstation or PCs, please give me your
evaluation and recommendations. Thanks.

X. Wu
School of CSE
Nanyang Tech. Univ., Singapore 2263
email: cxpwu@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg

Newsgroups: comp.ai.shells
From: SJAYEOLA@finabo.abo.fi (Sammy Jayeola)
Subject: Expert Systems in Marketing: Inquiry.
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:31:19 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

Hello everyone, I am majoring in International Marketing and (just beginning
in) Management Information Systems. I would appreciate if you could furnish me
some information about Expert Systems application in Marketing and if there is 
any package out there to sample from...
My assignment presently is to prepare the heuristic rules for the Knowledge
Base of an expert systems shell which will be used in Market Research. The main
task - to use market research elements in service or industrial retail segment
as the imputs is not the main headache - but related packages which might give 
some insights are relatively scarce. Pls send replies to any of my e-mail
addresses below.
	All suggestions and advice will be gratefully acknowledged.


--Sammy Jayeola       e-mail: SJAYEOLA@finabo.abo.fi    SAMJAY@sara.utu.fi
                              SJAYEOLA@aton.abo.fi	SAMJAY@polaris.utu.fi
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
	I.A.M.S.R., Abo Akademi University, 20520 Turku/Abo, Finland.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 


--Sammy Jayeola       e-mail: SJAYEOLA@finabo.abo.fi    SAMJAY@sara.utu.fi
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ....And bear in mind,
			   "If you love something, set it free
                            If it comes back, it is yours;
			    If it doesn't, it never was..."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: comp.ai.shells
Subject: shells for PCs with cheap/free runtime versions
From: pondy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Peter Andreae)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:13:26 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Victoria Uni. of Wellington, NZ.

We are looking for expert system shells that run on PCs (286's and up) and have
a very cheap or free runtime version.  I know about EXSYS; anybody have any
further suggestions?

Thanks
--

Peter Andreae     (Pondy)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Email:  pondy@comp.vuw.ac.nz     Mail:   Victoria University,    
Phone:  +64 4 472 1000                   P.O. Box 600,           
Fax:    +64 4 495 5232                   Wellington, New Zealand 



 
Newsgroups: comp.ai.shells
From: sdhar@uceng.UC.EDU (Suman Dhar)
Subject: test
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:04:55 GMT

This is a test
Newsgroups: comp.ai,comp.ai.edu,comp.ai.neural-nets
From: 33plato@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Larry Plato)
Subject: Re: Has making a group for Genetic Algorithms been discussed?
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:38:59 GMT

nafpliot@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (N.N.) writes:

>I don't want to go over old hash, but has the idea of a group for 
>Genetic Algorithms been discussed?  Something like comp.ai.ga?  If not, 
>can this be discussed?  I would like to know if interest in such a group
>is widespread, or if limited to only a few people.


>Thanks,

>Nicholas Nafpliotis
>nick-n@uiuc.edu
>Illinois Genetic Algorithms Laboratory
>University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign

YES, YES, YES!!!!!

-- 
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