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From: pnelson@opus.Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Red vs. amber turn signals
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:49:20 GMT
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)

In article <1992Aug10.205145.32219@datamark.co.nz> tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer) writes:
+In article <51300033@hpscit.sc.hp.com+ rkarlqu@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Rick Karlquist) writes:
++Here's a trivia question that's bugged me for a long time:
++
++Why do 95% of American cars have red rear turn signals
++while 95% of foreign cars use amber turn signals?
+
+Because no one else in the world is stupid enough to do it? (Excuse
+me, is my bias showing here?)

People from countries where the government apparently believes drivers can't
tell the difference between a blinking light and a solid light unless it's a
different color chould be careful tossing around terms like "stupid". ;-)

+    Thomas Farmer | tfarmer@datamark.co.nz    or | Amiga 2.04, AIX 3.1


Phil Nelson . [ames|pyramid]!oliveb!tymix!pnelson . Voice:408-922-7508

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       and a word in season, how good it is!            Proverbs 15:23
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From: nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:52:09 GMT
Reply-To: nall@sun8.scri.fsu.edu (John Nall)
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <PK16.92Aug19081822@mushroom.frc.ri.cmu.edu> pk16@frc.ri.cmu.edu (Paul Keller) writes:
>
>...).  As far as I know, the only
>problem she had with it was when the last of the bolts holding the
>transmission to the engine vibrated out - then when you put your foot
>on the clutch, it just pulled the transmission away - the shop said it
>was an amazing sight.  That lets you know how much these things
>vibrate.

   Sounds kinda like one of the better Candid Camera episodes - the
   one where they remove the engine from a car and push it down a
   hill.  The lady pulls it (coasting, of course) into a service
   station and says "my engine seems to be making strange noises!
   Could someone look at it?"  The pump-jockey opens the hood and
   finds no engine - look of incredulity...lady says "it was running
   fine and  then started making strange noises.  Perhaps it needs
   the oil changed" or some idiotic statement like that.  Guy goes
   in the station, comes out with his boss.  Boss looks at it.
   They both scratch their heads.  Look at the lady in disbelief...

John


--
John W. Nall              | Supercomputer Computations Research Institute
nall@mailer.scri.fsu.edu  | Florida State University, Tallahassee, FL 32306
  "Older women, make beautiful lovers - older women, they understand..."
    (song heard on radio, driving, one rainy night in Mississippi)
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:57:25 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <jimf.714146938@centerline.com>, jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) 
writes:
> kelley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sean Kelley) writes:
> >meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU) writes:
> >>Usually when I take my car to the Ford dealer every 7500 miles for
> >>sheduled maintenance, it costs about $170 and it includes
> >>oil change, checking the hoses, battery, etc., lubing the chassis,
> >>and rotating the tires.  

I thought I would put my $.02 ($500) into this discussion.

I just got the following quote:

I called Swanson Ford in Los Gatos, CA (recommended by several people)
and they said the 30,000 mile service is $550 - 575.  That includes
fuel injection service (clean injectors throttle body...) changing all
filters on the car, tune-up, scan all codes (computer system).  He says
the SHO is actually $150 cheaper than a car with auto transmission.

I may save $100 if the plugs are platinum plus which only need to
be changed every 60,000 miles.  No valve adjustment is necessary
until 60,000 miles and the fellow I talked to said in the three years
he's been there, no SHOs have ever required valve adjustment.

Now that's on a SHO, and I can't imagine that they charge less for a
SHO than for some of the other cars Ford makes.  $758 sounds about right
to me if you have auto tranny.  Keep in mind that the 30K service is a Major
service point, so I figured it would be in the neighborhood of $500.



Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: searle@motcid (Stephen G. Searle)
Subject: Re: Caring for leather seats
Keywords: leather seats
Reply-To: searle@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:23:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.160617.21201@shearson.com> tbigham@shearson.com (Tim  
Bigham) writes:
> I would like some recommendations for leather care products to clean and 
> preserve seats. I've heard on the net to avoid Armour All as this tends to
> dry leather with prolonged use. If anyone has had positive experiences with
> a particular product or method, please post or email a response.

I've used Lexol pH (cleaner) and Lexol (conditioner) for the last
5 years with good results.  My seats have not cracked and are still
soft and supple (without tinted windows).  The manufacturer is Corona
Products of Atlanta, GA.

Zymol also makes a leather conditioner, but I have no experience with
it.  Judging from their waxes, however, it is probably very good.
Zymol is based in Connecticut somewhere.

There's always neat's-foot oil......

-steve
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Stephen Searle  (searle@rtsg.mot.com)  [NeXT]
Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Group, Arlington Hts, IL
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How Accurate is the Blue Book?
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:40:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One

In article <1992Aug19.171410.10431@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jcasella@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph A Casella) writes:
=This weekend I was shopping for a used car and had a number of interesting 
=exchanges with several of the dealers.

	(scenarios with used car salespeople deleted)
	
=Is there any chance that these guys weren't lying to me

No.

=--that their wholesale 
=prices were really higher than the blue book retail prices?

No.

=And, for that 
=matter, how much leverage does using book value give you in negotiations with 
=the dealer?

I don't think it gives you any real leverage. But you can always ask
them to show you the agency's paperwork that indicates the price they
paid for the vehicle in question.

=Should I let them know I know the prices or not?

Can you stand their antics when you do?
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From: olson@dg.UUCP (Tom Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: 1991 Honda CRX Si
Date: 11 Aug 92 20:11:28 GMT
Reply-To: olson@etgn04.webo.dg.com (Tom Olson)
Organization: Data General


  Does anyone know what kind of list price was on a new 1991 CRX Si base model?
  I have just put a deposit down, but still wondered if I am getting a decent
   deal.  The model I am pondering has 1.6liter, 16 valve engine, air
   conditioning, power sunroof, AM/FM cassette and only 30k miles on it.
 
  The inside and outside are spotless.  The dealer will not budge on the
    price of $9800.

  Is this fairly decent?  Any comments or suggestions would be greatly 
    appreciated.

  Thanks.

     Tom    olson@etgn04.webo.dg.com
From: jamesm@lunch.austin.ibm.com (James Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Care to comment on Alfa vs. Miata?
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:18:06 GMT
Reply-To: jamesm@lunch.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM AWD; Austin, Texas
X-Windows: Confirming the suspicions of Luddites.


In message <1992Aug15.035833.14602@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
dualist@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Edward Schutz) writes:
> I drove a Miata a few times and had a lot of fun.  Now I'm
> contemplating getting that type of machine (probably used).
> 
> Never had a chance to drive one of the Alfa models, though.
> Any thoughts or experiences comparing the two, in terms of owner costs,
> pure fun of driving, etc?

When I went a'shopping for a new two seater a couple of years ago, the Alfa
Romeo spider/graduate/quadrafoglio?/etc. was on my list of possibilities.
Among others on the list were the Honda CRX, Toyata MR2 and the then brand new
Mazda Miata.  I wanted a Real (tm) roadster -- but the only thing close that
the British still produce is the Lotus Elan, and that wouldn't fit in my
budget.

The Alfa spider *is* a nice car, although it may be in danger of becoming a
replica of itself, as was said of the MGB at the end of its lifetime.  In the
current incarnation its handling, acceleration, and braking are certainly
respectable enough, and with sufficient options (especially those
great smelling leather seats) it becomes sex on wheels.

The Mazda Miata, on the other hand, is lighter than the Alfa, a bit faster,
and has positively delightful handling.  It doesn't hurt it to be cheaper and
probably a hell of a lot more reliable than the Alfa, too.

I bought the Miata.  After over 50,000 miles it has hardly developed even
minor problems and is still a *very* sweet ride.  You should at least go drive
an Alfa, though -- it might appeal to your tastes more strongly than it did to
mine.
--

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From: jimb@access.digex.com (Jim Brooking)
Subject: Re: Chevy's New Commercial [ZR-1 and Caviler]
Organization: National Commitee to Keep Slower Traffic Right
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:05:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.030510.7717@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman) writes:
>Has anyone seen this commerical?
>
>Heh..I like it..the announcer says, "Even the 65 grand ZR-1 doesn't
>come with this cup holder that is in the Caviler"...

That's cause anyone caught drinking (any fluid) or eating in their ZR-1
ought to be shot on sight.  8^)

--
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Merry Land (MD) U.S.A. | (Bike) 1986 GSXR750    (sold)   |     ClarksBURG
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From: cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu (Brian Cherkauer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Should I Buy a Saturn or a SkyLark?
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:30:20 GMT
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <2400034@hpsad.sad.hp.com> eric@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas) writes:
>The Saturn does not need to be lubed as all its critical parts are sealed.  

I have this "feature" on my '87 Escort.  The end result of which is that
I have to replace my tie rod ends every 35000 miles.  Luckily, aftermarket
suppliers have seen fit to put grease fittings on the latest set, and
they should last much longer.  (Had the originals replaced under warranty,
so I got the same lousy lifetime lubrication parts.  Just replaced those
recently.)  But, hey, I saved about 80 cents worth of grease by spending
$200 on parts.

I'd like to think that Saturn wouldn't make the same mistake.  Maybe they
have specially hardened parts or some such.  I hope.

-Brian
  cherkaue@ee.rochester.edu
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From: boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu (Toufic Boubez)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: VW, Ghia, 914 comparisons?
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:09:02 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

rob@sbil.co.uk (Robert  Greenwood) writes:

>Here's a quote from the current "Porsche Post" from Porsche club GB.

>This quote starts an article about a 'Lenner' 914 conversion (flared
>arches, no bumpers, etc).  And take it from me, whoever tried to make
>it beautiful failed in a big way.

I dunno... Have you ever looked at a 916? One of the nicest cars I've ever
seen, IMHO. A plane-jane 914 can be converted to 916 looks.

>Rob

toufic
            R 2 4      Toufic Boubez
            |_|_|      boubez@cesl.rutgers.edu
            | | |      Computational Engineering Systems Lab
            1 3 5      CAIP Center, Rutgers University, NJ
From: seningen@maserati.ross.com (Mike Seningen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:08:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: ross.1992Aug19.190854.29680
Organization: ROSS Technology, Inc. Austin, Tx.

Has anyone with the new model Z had a 60K service yet?

How much does that run?

mike

-- 
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-Michael Seningen                     seningen@ross.com
                                      uunet!cs.utexas.edu!ross!seningen
-ROSS Technology, 5316 Hwy 290 West Suite 500 Austin, Texas 78735
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rhw@evolving.com (Robert H. Wiebener)
Subject: Re: Marchal Fog Lights (or ot
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:39:27 GMT
Organization: Evolving Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) writes:
: SG>Subject: Marchal Fog Lights (or other brands)
: 
: SG>(lens or light). These are Marchal fog lights and Ford wants $87 for
: SG>each light. Does anyone know of a cheaper place that might have them?
: 
: Consider yourself lucky.   I just got a '89 Taurus SHO, and both the 
: foglights on it were broken (lenses shattered by rocks from the road).
: Ford charges $100 per light, and will not sell just the lens/reflector

My solution after spending $65 on the mustang fog lights (that was
jobber price, I conned the parts dealer) was to go out and spend $25 on
a pair of lexan (plastic) fog light covers.  Less than a week after I
got the covers on, one of them was broken, but, better a $12.50 cover
than a $65 fog light.

-- robert 

Robert H. Wiebener, Jr.           |  Internet:     rhw@evolving.com
Evolving Systems, Inc.            |  Phone-Net:    (303) 969-3376
200 Union Boulevard, Suite 500    |
Lakewood, CO  80228               |  My opinions, no one else wants them.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: patnaik@athena.mit.edu (Sanjay Patnaik)
Subject: Info on Protege LX/Civic EX/Integra LS
Keywords: Protege LX, Civic EX, Integra LS (or GS)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:08:09 GMT

Hi,
	I am in the process of looking to purchase a new car (my first) and
would be glad to get any advice/info. I am considering the Protege LX, the
Civic EX and the Integra LS (or GS) and would like to hear from recent buyers
(and others) about price, performance, etc.

	Factory-to-dealer incentives/cash back offers by Mazda on the Protege
seem to make that car a very good value. Is there a way to find out if similar
incentives are being offered by the other manufacturers on the Civic and the
Integra?

	Also, the options (such as Air conditioning, AM/FM cassette) on the
Civic and the Integra come as dealer-installed accessories. Is there a good
way to estimate a reasonable price to pay for these options?

	Thanks much in advance.

-- Sanjay Patnaik
patnaik@athena.mit.edu
patnaik@asterix.mit.edu
From: vandenbe@eris.cs.umass.edu (Scott Vandenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Radar Detectors and regular people
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:48:52 GMT
Reply-To: vandenbe@eris.cs.umass.edu (Scott Vandenberg)
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst


In article <23550@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg) writes:
|> One of the reasons CT may have done this is that they have cut way back
|> or eliminated the use of radar speed detection.  Experience was that

CT no longer uses hand-held radar detectors, but still uses car-mounted
ones.  According to a local newspaper, this eliminated 70 of the state's
280 radar detectors, so 75% of them are still out there -- and
you still need to be very careful about radar speed detection.  The media
made a big deal out of the hand-held detector ban, but I finally found
an article that gave some facts.  

"Banning radar guns" makes a great headline, but "no longer using a small
percentage of radar guns" doesn't.  Also, we have no assurance that they
haven't replaced the hand-held units with more car-mounted units, so there
could easily be just as many radar guns in use as before.
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@   University of Massachusetts-Amherst Computer Science Department  @
@ Lederle Graduate Research Center, Amherst, MA 01003  (413)545-3279 @
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From: liys@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: new Integra
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:53:27 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Anyone has info about the '93 Integra's?

Jason

Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
From: pod@suite.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:49:17 GMT

Get this thread out of rec.autos.sport.

-- 
pod@softway.sw.oz.au                    |So Avon, what does it feel like to
Softway Pty Ltd                         |be a god?" (Blake)
Phone:   +61 2 698-2322                 |
Fax:     +61 2 699-9174                 |"I would think you'd know." (Avon)
From: wesf@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:46:39 GMT
Subject: Re: power of a blow out
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In <1992Aug7.115341.15140@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Greg Strain writes:

>I read recently that one of the main advantages of Tubeless Tyres
>is that in the event of a puncture, the loss of air is quite gradual
>and therefore vehicle control is maintained. On the other hand, if a 
>Tube type tyre suffers a puncture, then there is an outrush of 
>air from the tube to the space between the tube and the tyre itself, 
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What space?  I thought the tube took up all of the space between the
tube and tire.  On our tube tires, with blowouts the tire ruptured, then
the tube would blow out.  On my tubless blowout, the sidewall blew out
with a 2 inch long rip.  It went down pretty fast.  I think the main
reason for better control is the improved steering designs for control
and safety in the newer cars.

Wes Fujii

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: Re: Dealer Profit on Small Imports?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 07:21:50 GMT

I do agree that the difference is not that great between invoice and sticker
on a colt or fiesta there is a big diference when you get into the higher
line cars thunderbird etc.  Another point to keep in mind is that there are
always dealer insentive programs, and regular dealer kickbacks from the
manufacturer that help the dealers stay in business.

One question.  Who would want to by a Fix Or Repair Daily anyway.

Dennis

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From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: problems with a Nissan 810... help...
Keywords: excessive vibration
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:12:15 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


   
testing  
testng...
     One of my friend's Nissan 810 is expericing some excessive vibration
at or above speeds of 50mph.  There do not seem to be any indication that
the tires or the steering is at fault.  The alingment seemed okay as well 
(if it mattered).  Can anyonegive a suggestion (or suggestions) to solve this 
delima?  Thanks in advance...

   Please sent all replies to thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu.  
   
                                                         -TKH '92
From: andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Saab brakes/Pontiac Sunbird
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:26:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.147520009
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

jonc@dworkin.Amber.COM (Jon Cochran) writes:
| 
|      Saab Brakes have A few nasty habits.  When I was 10 my father bought 
| his first 900, I'm now 19 and the car is still with us.  Excellent car, 
| mechanically.  However it has railroad brakes.  What you probably are 
| experiencing is a loud squeal when you apply the brakes.  There isn't much 
| you can do about this, other than having the brake booster checked.  However 
| we've just put up with the problem, we've had repairs attempted many, many 
| times.  A great car, noisy brakes.

In 1988 the 900 model got the brake wheel components from the 9000 model (in
preparation for adding ABS in 1989). These problems are not typical of
the improved brakes. 

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    % Andy Cassino                                       %
    % Hewlett-Packard - Lake Stevens Instrument Division %
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: deb5584@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.E. Baker )
Subject: Re: Ford vs Chevy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originator: deb5584@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:41:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.123913.7732@ultb.isc.rit.edu> deb5584@ultb.rit.edu () writes:
>If anyone knows of any articles on a 5.0 Stang vs a IROC Camaro could
>you send me some E-Mail.  I want to compaire the performance of both
>cars.  Also I want to compaire the Mustang to the 305 and 350 IROC.
>
>                                                Thanks,
>                                                Doug

Oops.  I mean sent me the info on what mag. month and page so I can look
it up myself.


						Doug

Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.forsale
From: thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer)
Subject: CAR FOR SALE: 1978 Chevy Chevette
Keywords: Chevette, good condition, 54Kmiles
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: la
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:54:00 GMT


                     ***** FOR SALE *****

                   One white, 1978 Chevette.
                     Manual transmission.
                       Still runs well.
                   Excellent body condition.
                Only about 54,000 miles on it!

            ONLY problem: could use a new battery.

                      Asking: $500 (obo)


Interested?

Reply to: emoki@cco.caltech.edu or thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu
 Or call: (818) 564-1903  (answering machine after 4th ring)
Newsgroups: rec.autos