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From: dgh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Doug G. Huffer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Teams without Centers (was Re: Blazers)
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:32:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr16.013253.579
Reply-To: dgh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr13.142553.5382@inmet.camb.inmet.com> west@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Brian West) writes:
>In article <MBN.92Apr9111150@fpssun.fps.com> mbn@fps.com writes:
>>If there's a better coach (in terms of technical coaching skills) in the
>>NBA than Nellie, I don't know who it is.  He's a match-up genius.  Name
>>another NBA team without a center that's had the success of GS this year
>
>Cases could be made for Detroit and to a lesser extent Chicago.
>Neither had a better than average center and both have won it all.
>

Why Detroit?  Laimbeer's was no post up center, but he did lead the
league in rebounding just a few years ago.  He could also hit
the outside shot enough to keep defenses pretty honest 
(and confused since most big men can't gaurd the perimiter very
well).  As for now, they lack a reliable center, but then again
they aren't doing quite as well now are they ;-) 

As for Chicago, Bill Cartwright as definitely had a deminishing role, 
with just a little of the slack taken up by Purdue and Williams.  
But he is still has the wille veteran skills (and elbows ;-)) which 
force most teams to double down on him, freeing up someone for an easy
score.   

Thus Golden State is probably having the most regular season success
without a formidable center, but I don't see them romping through the
playoffs either.  The might be able to win two rounds, but the
pounding of the playoffs will be too difficult to muster enough 
strength to get to the finals.  

>Brian West
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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Sixers Draft Question
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:53:39 GMT
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Distribution: usa
Organization: Arizona State University

In article <1992Apr14.214119.22265@u.washington.edu> normb@zen.biostat.washington.edu (Norm Bohidar) writes:
>
>I was wondering if it is really true that the Sixers will have
>a lottery pick if they continue their losing ways.  The reason I am
>wondering is that in the past few years the Sixers have obtained
>Rick Mahorn, Manute Bol, and Jayson Williams - all for first round
>draft choices.  I think GS used the one they got for Bol to
>draft Victor Alexander out of Iowa State last year, but I thought 
>someone (Detroit or Phoenix) had this year's. 
>that ever since they won the lottery and traded away the #1

Phx got a #1 for Williams and I think it was this years.  They may have
traded it with X to the Knicks, but I don't think that pick was in the
deal.  Do you think Shaq would have a lot trouble starting in front of
Lang or West?  Wishful thinking...

Why does Philly seem to be ending up with Phoenix's wimpy power-forward
picks?
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From: aaronson@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Jeff Aaronson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Sixers Draft Question
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:28:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Apr14.214119.22265@u.washington.edu> normb@zen.biostat.washington.edu (Norm Bohidar) writes:
>
>I was wondering if it is really true that the Sixers will have
>a lottery pick if they continue their losing ways.  The reason I am



  Sixers do have a 1st rounder this year.  Next year's pick went to 
the Suns for Jayson Williams.


Jeff
From: huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Hawks
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:02:06 GMT
Reply-To: huajima@buengf.bu.edu (Jim Huang)
Distribution: usa
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

To Hawks Fans:

	With Wilkens, Robinson, Willis, and Augman, the Hawks have
four pretty solid players. On the other hand, why do they have Koncak 
AND Rasmussen? Will the Hawks ever contend? (Granted this year was a 
^^^                          

waste without Wilkens)

Jim Huang
From: mbn@fps.com (Mike Northam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: TNT playoff coverage
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:12:07 GMT
Reply-To: mbn@fps.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cray Research Superservers, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
In-reply-to: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu's message of 16 Apr 92 17:04:27 GMT

>>>>> "mark" == Mark Shneyder 432-4219 <nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu> writes:

mark> It would be cool to find out how other teams are covered in their
mark> home markets. Please post about your favorite team and announcers.

OK, Portland Trailblazers were televised as follows:
Free TV (KOIN-6 Portland flagship + a network of about four other TV
stations in Oregon):  20 games (1 home, 19 away)

Pay TV (Blazer Cable and a network of about 50 cable systems in Oregon),
about $11.95 per game: 20 games (all home)

NBC: 5 games

TNT: 1 game not otherwise on Blazer Cable (TNT is blacked out when a game
is on PPV)

Announcers for the local broadcast are Pat Lafferty, play-by-play and
Steve Jones (also seen on NBC), color.

All 82 games are on radio, KEX-1190, Portland, plus a network of 34
stations (including Honolulu!).  Spanish broadcasts on KWBY-940, Woodburn, OR.
Announcers:  Bill Schonely, play-by-play; Mike Rice, color.

Local satellite uplink is performed by KATU teleport.  Most games can be
seen on G6, W5, G2, T1 (in that order).  See my summary of NBA satellite
broadcasts for further details.

All playoff games not broadcast by NBC will be on KOIN (away games) or
Blazer Cable (home games).  TNT will duplicate some of these games, but
they will be locally blacked-out.



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From: schulman@hydra2b.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Larry Bird, a real pro
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:21:14 GMT
Reply-To: schulman@hydra2b.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
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____________________________________________________________________
	Granted, the Celtics did beat two very good teams in the
last few days, but how could a Celtic fan (it sounds like you are
one) make that claim about BIRD.  I agree with you that the team is
better with him (just look at their record with him and without him)
but Bird is still (well almost) as good as a few years back.  His
decline occurred after his injury in 1989 (or 88).  You have to keep
into consideration that in the games he does not do well, it's
probably because of his constant back problems.  I'm sure that if he
is 100%, the Celts are going all the way.  Nevertheless, he is still
keeping his stats up there: 20.5ppg, 9.5rpg, 6.5apg, 47% FG, 93% FT,
and 41% three-pointers.  Regardless of your claim being true or not
(I myself see him lacking on D sometimes but point this out to his
ongoing injury problems, mainly his bad back), but making such a
claim on Bird is inexcusable.  The Celts would be nothing without
his, and his legend status should shield him from any criticism.  Go
Celts - I would like them to take one more, for old times sake and
for the old timers (sort to speak) on the team.

Oai Tran
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Great another Bird watcher!  I'm sick of all this Bird bashing, too.  
Let the guy rest.  After all, how many players can play 12 years and
running and still get those stats?  After all, didn't Kareem get just
, Oh my God!, 10.1 points per game in 1988!?!?!?  Why hasn't he been 
hacksawed?  Is it because he was a laker for a number of years?  A first
round pick for Milwaukee?, a rookie of the year?  MVP many times?  High
scorer?  High rebounder?  Oops, sounds like I'm talking about Larry, with
the exception of first round pick of the bucks.  But I bet whichever team
had the #1 pick in 1978 wishes they had bird!  (and probably L.A., to, 
after all, who's still playing?  And who acts responsibly on *and* off the
court?  And who is monogamous with their wife???)

Neil
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: Another Bird man
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 12:56:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.012700.1032@wpi.WPI.EDU> jcaproni@gelfand (Joseph Barry Caproni) writes:
>
>However, if Dee Brown comes back then Bird will be needed. Brown cannot run
>the offense by himself at this time. I think that it is very fourtunate that
>Brown went out after Bird. Without Bird on the floor, I think Dee might have
>lost some of the recent games if Ford decided to use him at point guard.
>
>Finally, considering that their replacements are shooting far better than
>they are, I would keep Bird & Brown as reserves until another team's
>defense finally figures out how to handle the current lineup.
>
>.                                                    -Joe

yunno, i was thinking the same thing the other day.  at this point (after
boston beat detroit and atlanta beat new york), i would think the LAST thing
chris ford would want to do is break up the pattern.  bring bird off the bench
in a few key places, but dont aggrevate that back.  dee can do some 2 guard
time when they have Lewis at small forward and he can do some point.  ford
should play the matchups with these 2 guys, leaving the current rotations
close to what they are now.

- nate
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith)
Subject: Re: celtic woofing
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 13:15:54 GMT

From llpost!ll.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!tamsun!zeus.tamu.edu!h0j1297 Thu Apr 16 08:49:46 EDT 1992

...[ Boston!  YYEEEE-----   woofing deleted ]....

From llpost!ll.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!bronze!newshost.cs.rose-hulman.edu!news Thu Apr 16 08:49:57 EDT 1992

>They play Miami Sunday, this should be an easy game for the CELTS.
...[]....
>The Celtics will definitely give the Bulls a run....[]....
>.....[]..... I don't remember what the score was.

a while back there was a post to the effect that the Woofing Theorem had
been disproved because the Pittsburg Penguins, after heavy woofing, still
won the Stanley Cup.  BUT THAT'S HOCKEY!

here we have a beautiful opportunity for Brian Shaw to cause more grief at
causeway street.

the Theorem is under heavy attack, though, because all this childish
woofing wasnt enough to derail them last night.

MEANWHILE:  WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH NEW YORK!??
did we just see Pat Riley's Coach-of-the-Year blow up in smoke?

and another thing:  boston might have been better off at #4 where their
bracketed opponent is a Known Beatable and where they might still catch
the Bulls before they come out of their funk (just a mild funk).  the #7
team could be new jersey or indiana - both have fared much better against
boston than detroit.  indiana?  larry will do anything to play in that
series - at the harm of the current team chemistry.

so despite the remarkable turn of events, Boston still has a very long
shot at getting out of the east.  the only change is the increasingly sad
prospects for pat & patrick....

- nate
From: wp01jst1@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (John Tomas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Birdless Celtics fly over Uninspired Bulls
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:33:40 GMT


The excuse was 4 games in 5 days: nobody plays well when they have
to play a schedule like that: not the Bulls, not the Celtics, not
the Lakers of '71-72.
From: randyc@tvnews.tv.tek.com (Randall Cornwell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Most Valuable Player
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:42:23 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Apr13.191716.25422@reed.edu> terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.145911.2786@infonode.ingr.com> prasad@infonode.ingr.com (Prasad Challa) writes:
>>>In article <JAVS.92Apr10131512@sabrina.inesc.pt> javs@sabrina.inesc.pt (Joao Antonio do Vale de Sousa) writes:
>>>>
>>>
>>>Can you say D-A-N-N-Y M-A-N-N-I-N-G???
>>>
>>>Ok, so it's a longshot, but I think a very worthy choice, 'specially if they
>>>clobber the Warriors in the first round & then the FrailBlazers in the 2nd,
>>>Hell, they can easily take Phoenix in the Western Conf. finals, so Manning'll
>>>get it even if the mighty Bulls kill us in the championships.
>>>
>>
>>Correct me if I am wrong. But I think these COTY, MVP, etc. awards are all
>>based on regular season performance. Playoffs dont matter.
>
>Well, ok, if that's the case, then how do they distinguish between players at
>different positions?  I mean, Robinson might get a lot of blocks/rebounds, but
>Jordan might get more points & assists...  Similarly, how would you distinguish
>between players like Pippen & Manning, whose numbers are similar in almost 
>every category, but one of which might be involved in a championship team &
>the other might not?  Wouldn't playoff performance have the slightest effect on
>the outcome?  Same for COTY.  Wouldn't Brown's chances be just a teency bit 
>higher if say he led the Clips to the Conference Finals?  Or to the 
>Championship?  Say he beats Nellie in the first round & goes on to the Finals
>& loses to Phil Jackson, then still wouldn't Brown be favored over Nellie,
>regardless of the regular season outcome (Nellie's got a better record with
>GS)?  
>
>I just have a hard time believing that playoffs don't matter.
>
 Terra,
Voting is done AFTER the Reg. season and BEFORE the Playoffs start.
Therefore playoffs don't mean shit to any individal awards.

Randy
>Terra


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From: tmorgan@nachos.SSESCO.com (Toni Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Brueur to Golden State?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:40:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: nachos.563
Distribution: usa
Organization: none

In all fairness, the subject line is more dramatic than reality.

We had our final "chalk talk" of the season last night before the Golden State/
T'wolves game, and Nellie was the guest of honor.  He babbled some not too
intesting stuff, then we got to ask questions.  My favourite question was from
someone who pointed out that the Warriors are eternally without a true center,
and the Wolves have three seven-footers (soon to become 4?), and did Nellie
think that there might be a match there during the off season.

On top of things as ever, he immediately answered that Randy Brueur, who has
played for him previously at Milwaukee, would be a free agent after this
season.  Then he verbally sought out Randy, who was shooting around nearby,
and asked how old he was.  Without missing a beat, Bru sez "29," getting a good
laugh.  Then Nellie one-ups him by remarking "He isn't usually that smart."
Bigger laugh.

So, does anyone think that Nellie would be seriously interested in seeing Bru
in a Warriors uniform next year?

rgds,
  T
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From: schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Bird in Olympics
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:30:01 GMT
Reply-To: schulman@hydra3f.cs.utk.edu (NEIL WAYNE SCHULMAN)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra3f.cs.utk.edu

>In article <1992Apr2.144221.27898@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov (D
>r. Norman J. LaFave) writes:
>>> Now go and take that 20ppg, 10rpg and 7apg and compare it to the Mailman's
>>> stats. I am sick of hearing how Bird would be so much "better" for the Olymp
>ic
>I entirely agree with you, lets compare numbers and get over this sentimentally
>
>biased rubbish. In the process lets throw in SCOTTIE PIPPEN for good measure,
>How is it that some people have to satisfy a statistical criterion while others
>
>are eulogized and canonised without ever accomplishing statistics of any 
>significant worth ?
>
>Makala
Makala, the person who you quoted didn't write that. I did. And I have been
countered by Dave Meeks who feels that Bird is still putting up good numbers
and provides other aspects that Malone does not. I don't agree with him, but I
respect that view. Bird himself has questioned his own ability to be
consistent in recent news articles. They did take the Bulls Saturday, though.
I just think after the grind of the playoffs, no way is Bird going to be able
to play in the Olympics. Too much. As for Pippen, he did get snubbed by the
All-Star team before. This year, he's pretty darn good. Are there better small
forwards who deserve it more? Who? I'd be happy to agree with you if you put
up some names and they're better forwards than Pippen.
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Thank you, I was the one who started this particular string and I can't agree with you more.  Bird is not quite what he was, but he is still good (would you trade him for, oh, Charles Davis?, David Greenwood?, Will Purdue?, Gerald Glass?) Anyhow, I still would like to see Bird in the Olympics.  And if he retires after this year (improbable), then think of the pinacle of his last year.  Kinda like Magic's All star MVP game.

Neil
From: ughtas@pencom.com (Thomas A Stewart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Tark takes over Spurs
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:42:14 GMT
Reply-To: ughtas@pencom.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <1992Apr15.194551.27700@unlv.edu> suresh@charles.cs.unlv.edu  
(Suresh) writes:
> Just heard this.  Jerry Tarkanian has a new job.  He is going to take over
> the San Antonio Spurs from the next season.  They had a press conference
> today afternoon.  Will post the details later.
> 
> -- 
> Suresh
> UNLV Dept. of Electrical Engineering
OH NO!!!     .... I wonder what the jerk will do to CHEAT in the pros!!


The spurs might as well kiss Sean Elliott and the Admiral goodbye.
I doubt that either one of them will want to work for such a scumbucket.


Somebody run him down at the airport!!!!
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From: davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu (Stimpson J. Cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: BOXSCORE sea 96, san 101   22mar92
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:44:04 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <ddrumm.21ff@amiganet.chi.il.us> ddrumm@amiganet.chi.il.us (Daniel Drumm) writes:
>David L. Yee:
> 
>If the Eddie Johnson statement isn't self-evident then I really don't want to
>bother explaining it.



	Well, it isn't self evident to me (why a team is in trouble if
Eddie Johnson is leading it in scoring.) Here is why:

	Eddie Johnson is a *scorer*. That is his skill. That is what has kept
him in the league for 10 + years. That is how he won the Sixth man award for
the Suns. It is not evident to me why a team has to look to the draft when
a pure scorer leads your team in scoring during some games. Eddie is averaging
17 points a game, most of those games off the bench. Eddie Johnson is known 
as a deadly outside shooter, not just a guy who puts up 25 shots a night
to get his numbers (like Michael Adams.) Look up any scouting report- they 
all say Eddie Johnson can score points in bunches, and has a superb outside
shot. 
	Aha, but he is only shooting 46%, you say. This is true, but much of it
is due to a horrible shooting slump he had under KC Jones the first half of
this year, about 40% shooting. Because he did not get consistent minutes,
his shooting stroke suffered. Most of the Sonics did not shoot well during
that period. Over the Karl reign his shot has returned. He has led them in
scoring the last three games, all three victories. The Sonics are far from a
elite team, but they are 11 games over .500. The statement, "When Eddie Johnson
leads your team in scoring, it is time to look to the draft" makes no "evident"
sense to me, insofar as he is a excellent scorer. Had the statement read,
"When EJ leads your team in (rebounding/steals/blocked shots/assists, etc.)..."
then that might have made more sense. But when a player does what he does
best, and is (almost anyway) universally recognized as being able to do this
(score), well, I don't get it. I hope someone with a better grasp of the obvious
can tell what I'm  missing here.


						David L. Yee
					email to:davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu
From: courier@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (William Pittenger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Assists
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:04:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45331
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Apr10.161631.21801@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> se3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Stanley Eng) writes:
>
>Does anybody out there know how assists are credited?
>
>It seems that assists are a judgement statistic.  How can a scorekeeper
>consider a 3-pointer an easy field goal?
>
>Stanley Eng
>se3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu

	Assists should be calculated when the person who is dribbling the ball
passes it off and the other person takes a shot without dribbling. It is the
premise that once the ball touches the floor, there is no more assist for the 
other person. This is the way assists are calculated in any game of baskeball.

					Bill Pittenger

					Basketball player and fan