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From: jones@ils.nwu.edu
Subject: New Ph.D. Program
Organization: institute for the learning sciences
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:00:42 GMT

T h e   L  E  A  R  N  I  N  G    S  C  I  E  N  C  E  S    P h. D.   P r o g r
a m


Preparing individuals for productive work and a   high quality of life in
today's society is a complex  challenge for schools and corporations. To meet
this challenge, Northwestern University has established a unique Ph.D. program
in the Learning Sciences. Its purpose is to advance the research and
development of innovative educational structures and technologies.

Research in the Learning Sciences is aimed at creating environments that offer
all students a rich variety of opportunities for learning to think effectively,
both within and outside of formal learning settings. Graduate student and
faculty research efforts are supported by a multimedia, networked computing 
infrastructure and an unusual commitment to developing technologies that
function effectively within their intended settings. 

The Learning Sciences is a synthesis of computational and social science
disciplines including artificial intelligence, cognitive and developmental
psychology, educational research, linguistics, computer science, anthropology
and fields that develop strategies for teaching complex subject matter. 

Through research, field work and apprenticeships, the Ph.D. program will
prepare its graduates to assume leadership roles in advancing the scientific
understanding and systematic practices of learning and teaching.

Students are eligible for competitively-awarded multi-year funding. To qualify
for financial aid, candidates should apply by January 15, 1992. Applications
received after that date may be  considered. Individuals with relevant teaching
experience or a strong academic  background in a field related to the Learning
Sciences are encouraged to apply. For  application materials or for further
information, contact:

Professor Roy Pea
Ph.D. Program Chair 
The Learning Sciences 
Northwestern University
1890 Maple Avenue
Evanston, IL  60201
phone: 708-491-8152
fax:    708-491-5258
email: jones@ils.nwu.edu
 
Newsgroups: comp.edu
From: ahern@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Sean Ahern)
Subject: Re: first-year programming languages
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:06:53 GMT

Here at Purdue, we start our introductory Programming classes with Pascal.
The second semester course starts introducing abstract data structures with
more Pascal, but also starts teaching C and csh.

-- 
Sean Ahern-----------------ahern@cs.purdue.edu----------------Purdue University
Q: What is the primary objective of a street gang member?
A: To pronounce the word "motherfucker" in one syllable.
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Call for submissions (6)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:24:14 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 09:21:25 AST
From: AB04000 <INKSHED@UNB.CA>
Subject: Call for submissions (6)
Message-id: <ID8582.D921111.T092125.INKSHED@UNB.CA>
Comments: <11NOV92.10125018.0068.MUSIC@UNB.CA>
Reply-to: Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar) <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>

We call subscribers' attention to the following

CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS:

The Winter 1993 issue of _Textual Studies in Canada_ will be edited by
James A. Reither and Douglas Vipond.  A collaborative, interdisciplinary
journal, _TSC_ examines how texts are composed, read, and defined according
to situational and cultural presuppositions.  As well, _TSC_ explores
notions of writer, text, and reader, to make visible the communal and
consensual interaction involved in authorship.  The editors of this issue
will be especially eager to receive submissions (of 20 or fewer pages)
that focus directly on these kinds of questions:  Insofar as the meanings
of texts are to be found largely in their relations to the discourse and
texts of others, what are the specific situations out of which given
texts arise?  What is there in those situations that motivates writing?

Submissions intended for this issue must be received by 30 April 1993.
Contact or send MSS to

    James A. Reither (inkshed@unb.ca) / Douglas Vipond (vipond@unb.ca)
    English / Psychology
    St. Thomas University
    Fredericton, NB  E3B 5G3
      Canada

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: Wireless Network! (26)
Date: 7 Nov 92 15:31:41 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 26
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 08:46:32 EST
From: IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.COM" Robert Royar, (C&CD Moderator)
Message-id: <1992Nov07.084632.v7.009.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject: RE: Wireless Network! (26)
Reply-to: "Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

Trent Batson mentions the wireless network with regard to its installation
on a Pow$erBook. The wireless network has been available for quite a while
now. One such computer on which it works is the (MS-DOS) HP-95LX Palmtop
computer. You get an EarthStation about the size of a VHS cassette. The cost
for the entire package is ~$1,200.00 (excluding the $50.00+ additional
cellular connection charge and the $0.10 - 0.15 per minute trans/rec charge.
The HP95LX also allows for local connection to a LAN via infrared. I think
the Poquet (propeil pocket computer) also supports such.

These are all available today.

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "The present-day composer refuses to die."
                                                           - Edgard Varese

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: RE: Internet Course (Forwarded Message) (4)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:31:22 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 4
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 09:00:34 EST
From: IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.COM" Robert Royar, (C&CD Moderator)
Message-id: <1992Nov07.090034.v7.009.3.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject: RE: RE: Internet Course (Forwarded Message) (4)
Reply-to: "Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

Buried in the original posting (<9211060222.AA16284@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
included in C&CD 7.008):

>Registration Fee: free

>- ----------------------------------------
>AUTOMATED REGISTRATION (Preferred)

>To register for "Navigating the Internet: an Interactive
>Workshop" send the following e-mail message (NO SUBJECT HEADING) to:

>listserv@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

>In the body of the e-mail message send:

>sub navigate yourfirstname yourlastname

>(If the above instructions are unfamiliar to you, ask for
>assistance from your computer center.)

>E-MAIL REGISTRATION

>Send e-mail requesting registration to:

>rs@usl.edu

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "Teaching is the focus of the Old Order; learning is the focus of the new."
                                                               - Andrea Fishman

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From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) Bitnet to Internet gateways (7)
Date: 7 Nov 92 15:31:32 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 7
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 09:12:14 EST
From: IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.COM" Robert Royar, (C&CD Moderator)
Message-id: <1992Nov07.091214.v7.009.4.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject: Bitnet to Internet gateways (7)
Reply-to: "Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

>From: "Rhoda Carroll, Vermont College, Montpelier" <RHODA%MUNIN@NORWICH.BITNET>
>Subject: Yankee Trader Pays Up! (*MBU*)
>Message-id: <01GQTSZWAW9S8WXIAG@ulkyvx.bitnet>

>So, tell me what you want, and send snail mail address.
>I can RECEIVE Internet mail but I can SEND only through Bitnet, remember!

Has anyone at your site looked into a BITNET<>InterNet gateway (such as
that at City University of New York's IBM, CUNYVM)? Whenever I reply to
bitnet mail on my internet account, replies go through something like
 name%node.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu
And years ago to get to ArpaNet the explicit routing was
 name%node.bitnet@cunyvm.bitnet
There was a similar gate at ucbvax.berkeley.

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "Do not search for the truth. Simply cease to cherish opinion."
                                                                - Sengstan

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) RE: IBM, "Ulysses," and "Illuminated Books and MS" (14)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:31:00 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 14
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:00:04 EST
From: IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.COM" Robert Royar, (C&CD Moderator)
Message-id: <1992Nov12.050004.v7.015.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject: RE: IBM, "Ulysses," and "Illuminated Books and MS" (14)
Reply-to: "Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

>From: Gardner Campbell <Campbell@usdcsv.acusd.edu>
>Subject: IBM, "Ulysses," and "Illuminated Books and MS"
>Message-id: <921111183438.1367@USDCSV.ACUSD.EDU>

>IBM isn't sure how to do this--YET--but it should
>be possible now to capture full-motion video of
>*student* performances, *student* readings, *student*
>"talking head" authorities, and add them to the
>illuminations as well.

On the Mind Extension University I used to watch a course (tele/BBS/LIVE)
from George Washington U about techno in the secondary classroom.  One
whole segment was devoted to "Ulysses". I'm not sure where others got their
info on this, but Gardner's correct. It was more than a blackboard. The
segment was not simple the IBM demo, but a description (actually video
history) of how the material was used in class. Some one on this board
complained earlier that you could not set up active links; well in the
version I saw there had been changes made to the link structure.
Additional student commentaries had been added. I was impressed--except
with the cost. But then, Amigas have been doing this sort of thing longer
(and for less cost) than anyone else (I believe even longer than Apple),
and hasn't NeXT been on the edge also? Surely with their DSP that platform
should be far ahead of any other in FMV and DigiSound. (See following post
for more NeXT material.)

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "The present-day Pachuco refuses to die!"
                                                              - Ruben Sano

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) 1994 CCCC in Music City USA (12)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:38:25 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 12
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 13:03:12 EST
From: IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.COM" Robert Royar, (C&CD Moderator)
Message-id: <1992Nov07.130312.v7.010.3.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject: 1994 CCCC in Music City USA (12)
Reply-to: "Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

Now that we've settled the issue of where CCCC 1994 will be held. I hope
that it will be in the OpryLand Hotel. I'm not much of a Country Music fan
but the OL Hotel is some site. I stayed there on vacation once as part of a
package Kathy got through her work. It was *really* amazing (and expensive).
The Conservatory with the Harp serenade each evening was quite a place.
It's an acre or more under glass with tropical vegetation and such--running
streams, swimming pools, movie stars (black gold, Texas tea).

They do lots of conventions--had three going on while we were there.

 -- Robert Royar (RobertRoyar@Delphi.com) New York Institute of Technology
    "The guerrilla lives among the people like the fish in the sea."
                                                              - Mao Zedong


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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: r0mill01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: (Fwd: *C&CD*) NeXTSTEP 486 an update (sort of) (14)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:38:33 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Entry: 14
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 07:57:30 EST
From: IN%"RobertRoyar@Delphi.COM" Robert Royar, (C&CD Moderator)
Message-id: <1992Nov08.075730.v7.010.1.Grendel.Lair@Cratylus>
Subject: NeXTSTEP 486 an update (sort of) (14)
Reply-to: "Computers & Composition Digest (R. Royar)" <R0MILL01@ULKYVX.BITNET>
Organization: Cratylus Educational Software

Rodney Hoffman <rodney@cheetah.math.oxy.edu> sent the following to me in
response to a question about the rumored existence of NeXTSTEP 486 (of which I
want to own a copy). Perhaps someone later can give us a report?

Date:   Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:40:15 PST
From: "So. Cal. NeXT Users Group" <scan@csulb.edu>
Subject: NeXT meeting on Thursday

NeXTSTEP 486 will very likely be demonstrated
on Thursday 12 November at Caltech.

Southern California NeXTSTEP Users' Group (SCaN) Meeting
   with the Caltech and JPL User's of NeXT (CaJUN)

     Thursday 12 November 1992  6:30 p.m.
     California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
     Beckman Institute #134

Planned Events:

Probable demonstration of NeXTSTEP 486.
Demonstration and auction of Simson Garfinkel's SBook.
Demonstration of the Emerald Image Tool (Image Processing).
Demonstration of the new NeXT color printer
Demonstration of the new NeXT keyboard and mouse (Apple Desktop Bus).
Special CD-ROMs from NeXT and SIGGRAPH, if time allows.

There will be a social at 6:30 with a meeting at 7:30.

Dues:  $2.00

For futher information, contact:

Mike Mahoney, SCaN President and CSULB Professor
     (310) 985-1550,  e-mail:  mahoney@csulb.edu

Ernie Prabhakar, H:  (818) 568-9168, W: (818) 356-8379
ernest@cco.caltech.edu

Rohit Khare, CaJUN Vice-President, Caltech Computer Science Dept.
      (818) 792-9114,   e-mail: khare@cco.caltech.edu

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Newsgroups: comp.edu.composition
From: colflgg@hubcap.clemson.edu (john f passafiume)
Subject: Parallel Machine Simulator
Keywords: parallel processor simulator
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:39:38 GMT

We are looking for a simulator that can be used in a laboratory environment
that will simulate a parallel machine. Aim is to allow students to run
simulator and make observations on results and compare with sequential 
machine performance, etc.
From: ernie@s850.mwc.edu (Ernest C Ackermann)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: tips on C for Pascal programmers
Date: 13 Nov 1992 16:31:24 -0500
Organization: Mary Washington College, CPSC Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: s850.mwc.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

[ Article crossposted from comp.lang.misc ]
[ Author was Ernest C Ackermann ]
[ Posted on 13 Nov 1992 16:30:47 -0500 ]

I'm teaching a class of Pascal programmers that want to move to C
quickly.  Does anyone have or know about a guide or tip sheet that
compares the syntax of Pascal with C?

Thanks in advance. Please post a response here or use email.

ernie@s850.mwc.edu
-- 
ernie@s850.mwc.edu		uunet!s850!ernie
Ernest C. Ackermann
Department of Computer Science	 Mary Washington College
Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5358	 703 - 899 - 4031
-- 
ernie@s850.mwc.edu		uunet!s850!ernie
Ernest C. Ackermann
Department of Computer Science	 Mary Washington College
Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5358	 703 - 899 - 4031
From: sepg1545@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott Eric Peterson)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: Mac Medical software??
Summary: Mac Medical Soft.???
Keywords: medical
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:01:27 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana



Hello, I'm new to this group and couldn't find a FAQ, so I don't know just how dumb this question is- but here it is.  I'm am looking for mac-software that may
be useful for 2nd year medical students- reviewing for boards etc.  I'm am aware of some shareware hypercard stacks that are pretty useful and was just 
wondering what was available.  If anyone has any that is ftp-able or on a server somewhere I would appreciate any mail telling me about it.

Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.unix.admin
From: root@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Operator)
Subject: Re: Limited telnet program?
Organization: Oklahoma State Regents for Higher Education
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:40:05 GMT

James Deibele (jamesd@techbook.com) wrote:
: I would like to set up a limited telnet program for people to use.
: Specifically, I'd like to provide local librarians a way of telneting to
: selected online library catalogs via a menu.  If the telnet to that site
: fails, I would want the telnet program to exit with an error level,
: which I could then catch with a shell or program.  I don't want people
: who use this account to be able to exit to a shell from within telnet,
: and I don't want them to be able to telnet elsewhere.
: 
: If someone has seen a program like this, or has a reason why this is a
: bad idea*, I'd like to hear about it.  It seems like it should be
: reasonably secure for both us and the rest of our Internet neighbors.
: 
: Thanks.
: 
: *Please no criticism about how we should give free shell accounts to
: anyone who asks for one unless you're prepared to contribute hardware.

You can get source code for telnet on 
ftp.uu.net:/networking/applic/telnet.91.03.25.tar.Z
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Huy Nguyen                        | "It's not nearly enough to survive,
wee@darkside.uoknor.edu           |  But to live." - M.M.
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen)
Subject: Re: Should connect() block after setting NDELAY?
Organization: Motorola Panther Project, Chandler, AZ
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:35:23 GMT

In article <dank.720994781@blacks> dank@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Daniel R. Kegel) writes:
>
>Hi all,
>I'm writing an application that opens sockets to many servers in parallel
>before sending out a query to each server (also in parallel).  It sets
>the sockets into nonblocking mode before the connect() as follows:
>	int flags;
>    #ifdef USE_FIONBIO
>	flags=1;
>	netioctl(qp->fds, FIONBIO, (char *)&flags);
>    #else
>	flags = fcntl(qp->fds, F_GETFL, 0);
>    #ifdef USE_O_NDELAY
>	flags |= O_NDELAY;
>    #else
>	flags |= FNDELAY;
>    #endif
>	fcntl(qp->fds, F_SETFL, &flags);
>    #endif
>The problem is, under SunOS 4.1.1, connect() then blocks until a 
>accept, reject, or defer response comes back from the server.
>This can take several seconds if the Internet is being slow.
>The local Sun guy was able to see this in the source code, but does not
>consider it a bug.  What do you all think- is it reasonable for connect()
>to block for several seconds when the socket is supposedly in nonblocking
>mode?
>- Dan Kegel (dank@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov)

I use this chunk of code (SunOs 4.1) and have no problem blocking

    if ((d_ptr->fid = socket(AF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,0)) < 0)   /* make socket */
    {
      err_log(WARNING, ERRNO, "Making dbs socket");
      continue;
    }   
 
 
    if (fcntl( d_ptr->fid, F_SETFL, FNDELAY) == -1)
    {
      err_log(WARNING, ERRNO, "can't set socket to non blocking");
      close(d_ptr->fid);
      continue;
    }   
 
    if (fcntl( d_ptr->fid, F_SETFD, 1) == -1)
    {
      err_log(WARNING, ERRNO, "can't set socket to close on exec");
      close(d_ptr->fid);
      continue;
    }   
 
    if(connect(d_ptr->fid,(struct sockaddr *)&sock,sizeof(sock)) == 0)
    {
			/* connected */
      FD_SET(d_ptr->fid, write_fds);
      d_ptr->status = CONNECTED;
      break;
    }   
 
 
    if ( errno == EINPROGRESS )
    {
      FD_SET(d_ptr->fid, connect_fds);
      d_ptr->status = CONNECT_PENDING;
      break;
    }   

		.
		.
		.


-- 

>
Ron Feigen
ronf@panther.mot.com
From: dank@cco.caltech.edu (Daniel R. Kegel)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: SOLVED: Should connect() block after setting NDELAY?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 03:34:07 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

panos@burton.cs.colorado.edu (Panos Tsirigotis) writes:
>>	flags = fcntl(qp->fds, F_GETFL, 0);
>>	flags |= FNDELAY;
>>	fcntl(qp->fds, F_SETFL, &flags);
>                           ^^^^^^
>This is wrong; all arguments of fcntl are 'int's. 

The prize goes to Panos- he solved the problem where the local Sun
rep couldn't.  Thanks much; may all your connects be speedy...
- Dan Kegel (dank@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov)
From: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Scott Bradner's Bridge/Router Results
Date: 12 Nov 1992 17:50:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aj639@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Cox)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone know Scott or know where I can get ahold of the results of his
testing?  I think he did it in Jan/Feb of 92.  Please email me with any
leads.  Thanks in advance!!

Mike
-- 
Okay, look for AmoNER #5 on: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (128.174.5.59) in /amiga/amoner
nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) in /pub/amiga/programming/amos
Je suis venu ici pour macher du chewing-gum et pour botter des fesses.
Et maintenant, je n'ai plus de chewing-gum . . .
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Can anyone point me to info about ``Fibre Channel''
Keywords: help?
Follup-To: poster
Organization: York University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:18:05 GMT

  I confess I'm terribly ignorant of almost everything about fibre
channel save its speed.  Can anyone point me toward information
on it? I know that there ia an ANSI comittee, X3T9.3, and that 9.5
is FDDI, but I don't know hat 9.3 is...  
  If it's a common question, I'll post the answers (:-))

--dave (and can you run ip over it!!) c-b

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.os.os2.apps
From: peterd@tscc2.macarthur.uws.edu.au ()
Subject: IBM TCP/IP 1.2, SLIP fails to dial modem
Organization: University of Western Sydney
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:38:05 GMT

Hi there all.
We have various machines run os/2 2.0 (With service pack) and IBM's
TCP/IP 1.2 (With the latest CSD's)

The problem :-
Using a 9600 baud modem (or any speed modem), the SLIPDIAL -d command
doesn't dial the modem. Data is sent to the modem (ie the RD light flashes)
but it don't dial :-( (And YES my SLIP.CMD file exists, and is correct.)

Anyone out there had similar problems ?
--
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PC Support Programmer  /00\   *  Computing Centre.
Fax    +61 46 26-6937   oo    *  Campbelltown, New South Wales, Australia !
Email  p.degotardi@uws.edu.au *  Just in case - 'My opinions are all mine !'
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.ibm