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From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: Pool halls and Klingon Ships...
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 03:23:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.194149.4595@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>Why is it that Klingon ships always seem to be filled with smoke? I've never
>seen a Klingon with a cigar/cigarette. The whole ship reminds me of a smoke
>filled pool hall. If the smoke is from machines, is it at all toxic? Just
>wonderin'.

This won't be a 'canon' explanation but here's my $.02 worth.  From what
I have read in the books, Klingons like a much more humid atmosphere than
the ones humans prefer.  To them the air in an environment suited to 
humans is uncomfortably dry.  So the smoke may actually be sticky humidity
in the air (kinda like living in a permanent fog).  One could assume from
the presence of Worf on the Enterprise that this is a preference they
get from living on their home world(s?) and the Earth-raised Worf does
not miss the humidity.

Yasmin

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From: os902821@jarrah.canberra.edu.au (Scott David McLauchlan)
Subject: Re: Question about Scotty
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:43:01 GMT


WARNING : MAJOR LEAGUE SPOILER FOLLOWS!













In <1687F114A2.IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU> IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil) writes:

>Why, oh why did Scotty have to die that way?  Why couldn't
>some ensign take a dive on the phaser set on overload?
>(Kinda like they used to on TOS)

Haven't you heard of SPOILERS?!
Only people in the US have seen "Relics" so far. Have a little
consideration for others, please.

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From: tmm@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM (Tim McCaffrey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Dorian Grey
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:10:57 GMT
Organization: Unisys Corporation, Devon Engineering Offices

I haven't looked through all the messages for Man of the People, but
nobody seems to relize that this is a rehash of "The Portrait of 
Dorian Grey".

					Tim McCaffrey
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: _Best Destiny_ novel: Diane Carey can't write!
Date: 12 Oct 1992 05:21:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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In a previous article, sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) says:

>>      In case anyone was thinking of buying never having read Carey
>>      before -- DON'T.  This egomaniacal woman couldn't write a 
>>      decent shopping list let alone an intelligent novel.  

>Come on, Scott, don't hold back...tell us what you REALLY
>think...

  Is this the same Diane who writes novels using Horta crewmembers and
other unlikely characters?  I always get the Dianes confused.  :)  All I
can tell you is after half of a novel with the penis-envy characters
associated with the books which contained this Horta character... well...
I decided they'd let the fans go too far with their fictionalizing. If
this is the same person, I'd have to agree that she could NOT write a
decent shopping list. Utilitarian, perhaps. Decent, no.

  And anyone who thinks it's their duty to tell me this belongs in
rec.arts.startrek.anal-retentive, uh... don't bother.

  Jeff


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From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brian's Rank
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:35:13 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <Bvu57q.H3s@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>Ensign Crusher gave orders to a Lieutenant who was working under him,
>when Picard assigned him to head a certain investigation.  (episode
>name?  help!)

The episode was Pen-Pals.

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From: rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com (roland blackwell)
Subject: Dyson Sphere (spoilers)
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:42:33 GMT

spoilers on Relics ahead
^L






First I would to say this was a very sentimental episode for me, mainly because
of the holodeck recreation of the old enterprise 1701 no A.. no B.. no C or D.
I was moved by this scene. Even the computor sounds of the 1701 was like an
old friend paying a visit.  It's been a long time since TNG has made my heart
heavy, it's ironic that it was a TOS influenced scene that did it.  Anyway, my
question is, was the inside parameter of the Dyson sphere the living area, or
were there suppose to be worlds inside the sphere?  If there were no worlds
inside how does gravity work?
 


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From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Subject: Re: pad is sexy and nude!
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:46:04 EDT

This is to PAD:  I just finished "Q-In Law" and enjoyed it very much.  I
wanted to thank you for one small touch: the introduction of Lt. Cohen
in the beginning of the book.  Not only was I pleased to see a namesake
in the 24th. century (maybe a decendant!) but I was also pleased to see
the first (to my knowledge) reference to anyone of Jewish decent in any
Star Trek material.  They have every know human group and nationality
represented somewhere except Jews.  I was beginning to think that we had
all been wiped out somewhere in the intervening 400 years.
 
Thanks again,
Jeff Cohen
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From: MANEJWZA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Re: Reason why TNG is downhilling
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:25:29 GMT
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In <1992Oct6.172534.23588@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov writes:

> In article <67073@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
> 
> >The 5th season, by the way, was unquestionably better than the 1st and
> >2nd.  But it still hasn't approached the 3rd season.  Some people are
> >saying that it's because Roddenberry is gone, but GR wasn't all that
> >involved with the show by 3rd season because of his already-flagging
> >health.  
> >PAD
> 
> As usual, I feel obligated to point out that it was, in fact, _because_
> Gene was so heavily involved in the first two seasons that they were so
> poor.  Once that proverbial noose around thw writer's necks was
> loosened, some interesting stories became possible.  If GR had stayed at
> the helm, I firmly believe that we'd still be getting childish sermons
> like "Home Soil" and "Symbiosis".  Appreciate Roddenberry for having
> created Trek ... not for his writing ability.


Wait a minute!  "Symbiosis" was one of the best TNG episodes made.


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From: Shirley_Gillard_Schneckloth@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lore and Tasha: 2 questions
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 92 13:06:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa


dave@cs.arizona.edu writes:
>As for Soong, he claims to have escaped. This seems reasonable enough,
>since it's not entirely unknown for someone thought dead to be found
>very much alive. . .

Then the question remains. . . did *anyone* see Dr. Soong die in Brothers?
Dr. Soong told Data that he always liked to have a back way out. Could he
have some Data IIs running around? Perhaps helped him after the Enterprise
crew left. Could Noonian Soong still be around?
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: Will we have to pay to see Star Trek?
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 10:48:24 EST

In article <BvpEsM.55o@news.udel.edu>
roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
 
>But this thread got me to thinking about free broadcast TV again and
>how it came about.  It dawned on me that if broadcast TV could make
>a profit without directly billing the customer, then why couldn't
>the same be true of cable carrying only commercial channels and
>government funded channels (CSPAN, etc)?
 
Except now there's an agent delivering the service, adding another layer
to the cost(s).  Advertising budgets would have to rise significantly
to cover this expenditure.
From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna Payne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Elementary, Dear Data Question Part II.
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:20:27 MDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1bbnvoINN53e@interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu>, tilden@interceptor.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffery A Bohning) writes:
> 
> In article <Bvtq3G.AD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct8.112051.10441@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144) writes:
>>>Good question, but it has to be no. When they originally made the episode they
>>>did not get permission to whoever owns the rights to things Sherlock Holmes
>>>related. They almost got sued! If they want to do another one they have to
>>>first get permission and they pay money for the right to use it. Since their
>>>budget per episode is so high as it is they probably won't do it anytime soon.
>>
>>Interesting.  This is the second time someone has posted about legal
>>problems with using Sherlock Holmes characters.  Recently, however, I
>>read that the copyrights on the characters have expired long ago,
>>and thus they can be freely used by anyone.  This is why, the story said,
>>there are many games involving Sherlock Holmes (this was from an article
>>in a video game magazine).
>>
>>So does anyone know the real story?  Was Paramount almost sued, or not?



Yup.  The Doyle estate is *very* jealous of their characters, esp. Holmes.

Even though the copyrights have expired, the estate is adamant about 
treating Holmes as if he were a trademark, not a character or a name. 
Trademarks have an entirely different legal status. And they have a whole
army of Ferengi lawyers willing to jump on anybody using Holmes, Moriarty,
or Watson without permission.  

Most people, if they want to use Holmes or one of the other characters, 
either get permission from the estate beforehand and/or agree to pay the
Doyle estate royalties.  The producers of TNG decided the grief wasn't
worth it.


 
> If what you are saying is true, then I want to know why they haven't come out
> with the follow-up to an originally good episode.  But, back to my question,
> would my solution work? If they could do the show without a problem, could they
> put Morriarty in an android body and come up with a new plot complication as
> he tries to learn how to controll it like was done in another episode (of
> which the title illudes me) where the elder gentleman took over Data? 
> 

This could be interesting, and a lot of fan authors have done similar
stories.

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From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Julie Bixby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Beta-Zoid Plexing
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:35:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: spock.BvzDJt.9D5
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Oct6.051440.27876@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.205120.13113@wuecl.wustl.edu> ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:
>>Plexing is one of weirdest pseduo science ever on ST:NG. Tapping on
>>the artery behind the cortoid (?) nerve in the neck seems to INSTANTANEOUSLY
>>release endorphins that INSANTANEOUSLY has an  effect in calming Barclay.
>>Barcllay looks ridiculous when he taps that stupid nerve.
>>
>>Why shoould betazoid plexing work on a human?
>>
>
>
>Looks like she fooled you too. It was a placebo.  It didn't have any 
>real effect at all, except to convince him it was working.  Notice
>how fast he felt confident after he started going it?  

Actually, looks like Barkley fooled *you*. Obviously he was rushing to say
it worked just so he could leave Troi's office ASAP.

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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Geordi's pips in Man Of The People
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:28:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.052404.201@ichips.intel.com> jbrayton@pdx106 (James Brayton) writes:

>I noticed in "Man of the People" that the pips on Geordi's costume
>had been reversed, that is he had two hollow pips where he should have
>had two solid pips and a solid pip where he should have had a hollow
>one.  Does this signify anything or is it just a costume screw-up?


Ah, it does pay to be observant.  The reversal of the hollow and solid
pips signifies Geordi's promotion to Chief _Adjunct_ Engineer of the
Enterprise, a far more prestigious position.


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From: sclancy@orion.oac.uci.edu (Steve Clancy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Dyson Sphere (spoilers)
Keywords: TNG dyson sphere
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:01:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Oct15.034531.15001@grebyn.com> rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.004233.25150@phx.mcd.mot.com> rolandb@phx.mcd.mot.com (roland blackwell) writes:
>
>>question is, was the inside parameter of the Dyson sphere the living area, or
>>were there suppose to be worlds inside the sphere?  If there were no worlds
>>inside how does gravity work?
>
>It is assumed that you would have some type of gravity generator,
>probably based off of solar power (since you are capturing the entire
>output of the sun in any case). 

The dyson sphere was supposed to have been made or "carbon
neutronium."  Now I'm not exactly sure what that is chemically, but it
sounds very dense to me.  Remember that the Enterprise detected an
intense "gravity well" at the beginning. Perhaps the material of the
sphere is dense enough to provide a natural gravity for the
inhabitants on the inside surface.
 



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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: Sexism and MotP *Spoilers*
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:19:41 GMT

Jason Pascucci (jasonp@scat4.prime.com) wrote:
: Minor Spoilers Follow, but humorous
: 
: 
: 
: Why is it that the *GUY* always is pulling his boots on.I think
: it would have been much more amusing to have Troi pulling on
: her boots, and Ensign Willing-And-Able Still in Bed, looking
: mighty pleased, or quite asleep, or both.  :)

First of all she was already "dressed" in her opinion.  She didn't feel
the need to be anymore dressed then she already was.

Second, I really feel Ensign Willing-And-Able was more able than willing.
He seemed a little nervous and formal when he left.  Deanna said
something like "If I need you I know where to find you" or something like
that.  Anyway it was said with little affection, and his reply was (very
nervously) "yes maam".

This scene was played I think very well.  The emotions of people involved
were well portrayed.

: Also, another thing which caught my eye was that Riker didn't call
: Crusher down *immediately* after Troi scratched him. You could
: start to see signs of age on Troi then...Riker shouldn't have
: been as clueless as all that. 

If you recall, in Ten Forward, when he escorted Deanna from there, he
said he was needed on the bridge.  That probably wasn't entirely false.
He came in, and talked to data for a short while before rescuing Alkar's
party from Deanna's jealous accusations.  He probably was due on the
bridge shortly after anyway.  He was getting a few minutes of talking
with Data or relaxation before returning to the bridge.  His wounds
weren't severe enough to warrant a visit to sick bay.  He probably did
his duty, and either had night watch or returned to his quarters and then
had the scratches removed the next morning.  

Besides, the writers needed some excuse for a time reference to give
you an idea how long Deanna's aging had taken :-)

: About Worf: Well...yeah. I have to agree, pretty crummy security.
: I would have expected him to remove both of the Guard's
: heads and hand them to Picard with some clever saying...
: `They Paniced...errr...Lost their heads.' Or something.

Yeah right, on a planet where important negotations were going on.

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:47:45 GMT
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In <LRP6RB7w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> djredick@bluemoon.rn.com (Darrin J. Redick) writes:

>And O'Brian also stated that he's been transporting over 22 YEARS...

But, wouldn't his pattern degrade?

Oh, I see, never mind.... :-)
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From: d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  12-Oct-1992 0840)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 05:42:04 PDT
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The debate on O'Brien's rank has been smoldering away, with quite a bit of heat
and not too much light.  I haven't joined the discussion because Yet Another
Opinion wouldn't contribute much.  But it's time to wrap things up.

Apparently, TPTB (The Powers That Be) got caught in a big inconsistency, as
different authorities went off in incompatible directions without getting the
facts squared away.

I just picked up a copy of the new book "The ST:TNG Companion", which has a 
great deal of behind-the-scenes information.  The author is definitely on the 
side of O'Brien being a Lt.  However, he didn't directly address the 
inconsistency.

O'Brien was _clearly_ a Lt. until Sergei Rozhenko's line in "Family".  There
were times in the dialog when he had been addressed by the rank of Lt.  Even
after "Family", many of TPTB insisted he was still officially a Lt.  But Eric 
Stillwell, the Pre-production Associate and keeper of continuity, went on
record as following Rozhenko (rather than the uniform and previous conflicting 
dialog).  It is only this season that somebody realized that the uniform pips 
had to be changed for consistency with Stillwell's "final answer".

So everybody cool your jets!  I disagree with Stillwell's call, but it's been
made and it's official.  :-( 

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From: southpaw@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Don Agneta)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: SPOILER Relics "IT's Green !"
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:15:44 GMT
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In regards to a past articile 15553 claiming that some lines from Relics
were bound to be come classics

>- There were several lines that I'm sure will become classics.  Some of
>my favorites:

>Data:  It is... *sniff*...It is....It is *green*.


This line already is/was a classic. It was from TOS and was none other than
Scottys line to the KELVINS. The whole point of this scene with Data and
Scotty was to add a humorous reference to TNG series from TOS.

In TOS series, the Enterprise is taken over by the Kelvins, aliens in human
form carrying on a cause started hundreds of years ago to get back to their
home planet or a new planet (I really can't remember). As always the enterprise
and its crew are helpless to stop them, until Kirk notices that the leader of
the Kelvins is getting very jealous that Kirk (as always) is hitting on the
beautiful Kelvins babe. Kirk figures that the Kelvins must be getting human
emotions and that if they play on these, then maybe they can distract them
enough to get these devices away from them that turn you into a styrafoam
cube. Bones says something to the effect "We need to nullify their senses"
and Scotty says "Well, I can think of one way right off the bat".

He leaves the room and brings one of the Kelvins to his quaters, they start
guzzling booze, the Kelvin asks for more after they are both plastered and
Scotty pulls out another bottle that has a liquid that is GREEN, the Kelvin
asks him what it is and just as data did he looks at it, sniffs it, shrugs
his shoulders and says "Its, Its Green !".

I fully anticipated data saying this to Scotty but I thought it would be even
funnier if Scotty said it at the same time as him. As Scotty was telling
Geordi about past events he surely would of remembered this. Anyway I thought
it was a brilliant part by the writers to add this humor into TNG. I think
TNG is a great series but they're missing the humor aspect that was so very
eveident in TOS.

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