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From: vincentc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Vincent Y. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: KLH?
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:27:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.rtllsINNget
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: plague-ether.berkeley.edu

I have seen many advertisements for KLH speakers,
in various catalogs such as Cambridge SW and DAK
even Price Club.

My question is are these speakers any good?
What impresses me is that they are big and cheap
A 100 watt speaker with 15" woofer for about $100?
Is it a  good deal?

also what about Roger Sound Lab Speakers (a Southern Californian
chain store)


thanks!
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: New LP-CD flame material
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:11:00 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <WOOD.92Apr7172701@wood.uk.tele.nokia.fi> wood@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Peter Wood) writes:
>However our own Hifi World magazine went to a demo laid on by Philips
>and joined a panel who listened and could hear very little or no discernible
>difference.  However, they commented that the music that was used in the
>demonstration played to the strengths, not the weaknesses of the PASC system
>(the music was, in the main, light classical).
>
     This is not the type of music one would expect the target
     audience to be listening to....at least here in the US.

>
>However, after studying the technical principles of the system, Hifi World
>requested another audition using source material of their choice.  They went
>armed with heavier rock material, which clearly exposed the weaknesses of PASC
      This IS the type of music one would expect the target audience
      to be listening to in the US.  [ Affectionately termed the
      "bubble-gum crowd".]

      This is gonna be interesting.  But then a lot of our
      bubblegummers listen to really cheap cassettes with no
      complaints, so it MIGHT catch on.   

      Did Hi-Fi World try a full symphony orchestra cranked up on
      Mahler, Stravinsky...or even some Beethoven?  Or just
      a good close-miked Steinway or Bosendorfer piano?

      I wonder if Phillips has Ray Dolby on standby retainer in case
      the marketplace resoundingly pans the technology?
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: keith@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Opinions on NAD 1600 Tuner/Preamp W/remote
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:25:19 GMT


   I know of a Nad 1600 preamp with tuner and remote that is available for
$275 used and am soliciting opinions as too its sound quality. Comparisons
with the Adcom GTP-500 at $545 new would also be appreciated. Please reply
by email and I will summarize if there is enuff respnse. 

 Thanks in advance.

P.S. If the two are comparable, then price may be the determining factor.
     I plan on using it with a Rotel 855 cd and Adcom GFA-555.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio

>(Bob Myers) / 12:36 pm  Apr 10, 1992 /
>In rec.audio, kurts@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Kurt Strain) writes:

>....one of the more content-free posts I have seen recently. 

And then it was followed by a response from fellow audiophile Mike Chu
that was *totally* clueless as to the irony of Kurt's feeble attempt
at "humor".  Looks like we have the makings of a new oxymoron -
audiophile with a sense of humor.

- Gary Rosen

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: sbonnema@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Stuart Bonnema)
Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP ME...I'M CLUELESS
Organization: Fort Worth Research and Development Center, Motorola, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:44:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.173608.11325@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> you write:
>>> i'm looking for a pro-logic surround sound amp, a cd carousel w/ all
>>> the great features for lazy people like me, a unified remote, &
>>> long-lasting quality speakers....unfortunately, i have a small
>>> budget...around $1000  :(

I'd try to go with as many seperate components as possible. That way
you can upgrade one piece at time as your budget allows. For speakers,
try out a pair of Mirage PV190's ($220/pair). Use a pair of the Radio
Shack 7's ($50/pair) for your surround sound stuff. A nice amplifier 
that you won't have to upgrade for a LONG time is the Adcom 535 ($266).
For the CD player, I'd recommend a cartridge instead of a carousel. It's
nice to be able to switch out all 6 or 10 discs in two seconds. You're
on your own on the tuner/pre-amp.

Stuart


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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Subject: Re: New LP-CD flame material
Reply-To: kmr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 11:59:09 GMT


In a previous article, lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) says:


>>
>>And yet, how do CD players sound different if digital sounds like nothing?
>>
>    Nobody has ever really seriously claimed this.  At least nobody
>    who knows a doggoned thing about digital audio.

>    The theory assumes that there are such thing as perfect D/A
>    convertors, etc.   


>   It is also worth noting that each manufacturer decides whether to
>   (and how much) to creatively skimp on the implementation and hope
>   nobody will notice.  Such things as using 14 bit D/A convertors,
>   analog sections poorly isolated, cheap op amps, analog sections
>   with poor frequency response, poor mechanical assemblies, cheap
>   lasers, and just about anything which requires much human
>   adjustment and tuning.
>

Do you not think, that if one skimps on the non-digital parts < and even
the D/A converter > that it can affect the sound of the CD player? If the
RCA outputs are limited bandwidth < let's say they really messed up and
are from 100 hz -10kHz < -3 db's > that it will affect the sound? or a
miriad of other things.

seems to me it would.  
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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Preamp with surround sound
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:50:34 GMT
Organization: City University, London

In article <1992Apr14.003615.13295@leland.Stanford.EDU> bosco@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Bosco) writes:
>
>Hi I wanted to know if a unit with the following characteristics existed:
>
>	1- Preamp
>	2- Dolby Pro logic surround decoder (with or without buil-in amp for
>	   rear and center speakers)
>	3- Fully remote controlled
>
>Does such a unit exist?
>If it does, what is the approximate price (anything over $500 is too expensive)
>
>If such a unit doesn't exist, I would have to go for separate decoder / Preamp.
>Can anybody make any reccomendations?

Sony TAE1000ESD. Should be within your price range if you can get a
deal now that the 2000 is coming out.

>Thanks,
>   Eric


--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
Newsgroups: rec.audio

>Sorry, a 64 foot pipe produces a fundamental at 8 HZ, NOT 16 HZ!!
>Only :-) a 32 foot pipe is needed to produce 16 HZ, and it's use is
>VERY common in large scale organ works.
>
>Andrew Welker
>
Speaking of pipes, does anyone know how to decode what Telarc gives you
in with the CDs of organ music?  For example:

GREAT
Principal     16
Viola Major   16
PEDAL
Principal     32
Principal     16
Quint         5-1/3
CHOIR
Cymbel        II-III

My guess it is the names of the different pipes being played.  Is there
a book or something I can get to understand it all or should I just enjoy
the music?

Kirk out
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: mid- (low-?) range advice needed
Keywords: amp, carousel, HK, advice
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:53:21 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <2466@voodoo.UUCP> jdt@voodoo.boeing.com writes:
>
>    My brother-in-law has decided to buy his folks a new CD player and
>amp for their retirement.  He wants to go carousel on the CD player,
>and spend a total of $600 on the two components.  I know it ain't much,
>but his folks aren't real audiophiles, and whatever he gets will be
>head and shoulders above what they have now.  My question is, does
>anyone have recommendations on what he should get?  He likes HK amps,
>an opinion seconded by our resident expert at work (although he also
>recommended that we give the Adcom 535 a listen).  So far the only
>advice I've gotten on CD players is "go with Sony; you won't go
>wrong".  What do y'all think?  Rec's for either or both components
>-- 
      I would think that a small inexpensive receiver with remote
      control would be preferable to the HK.  I like and own HK
      components, but they are known more for sonics than features.

      Unless the speakers are 4 ohm or some other type of difficult
      load, I can't imagine why a typical Japanese receiver in the
      40-60 wpc range wouldn't do quite nicely.   

      Of course this is based on guesses that remote control and
      other features would be preferable to a elephants-to-bats
      frequency response.  
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: awelker@watarts.UWaterloo.ca (a welker)
Subject: Re: Need recommendations (turntable, laserdisc) & info
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:48:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.211835.16920@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> syd@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Dennis P Hilgenberg) writes:
>My brother, who is in possession of a large number of records,
>is interested in buying a good turntable.  He asked me for 
>suggestions; unfortunately, I have never been in the market
>for a high quality turntable (I don't have enough records to 
>justify it).  I told him I'd heard glowing reviews of Linn
>products, and suggested he find a dealer who had such things.
>
>His local dealer (he's in the not-such-a-metropolis of Normal,
>Illinois) seems giddy over turntables made by a British company
>called Revolver (coincidentally , this dealer carries 
>Revolver :-) which I haven't heard of as far as I can recall.
>
>Can anyone comment on these?  A significant attraction (for
>my brother) is that they make both a standard (33/45 rpm) and
>a dedicated 78 rpm turntable (he's contemplating buying both).
>How does Revolver compare with the "audiophile" favorites:
>is it even in the same league?  I have my doubts, as this store
>seems geared toward the Onkyo/Nakamichi/Klipsch crowd.  Is
>the difference worth whatever additional cost may be involved
>to buy a Linn or what-have-you?  Does Linn or someone of that sort
>make a table which can play 78's?  Is there any merit in buying 
>a separate turntable to accomodate 78's (other than avoiding
>the need to change needles (and speed control :-) when playing
>them)?
>
>Diverging somewhat from audio, can anyone suggest a few good
>laser disc machines?  Here I am even more ignorant (not a video
>type myself) and can offer even less advice.  These would not
>necessarily have to be the kind which play all varieties of
>optical disc (although let's not exclude those either if the
>picture and sound are sufficiently good).
>
>Altogether unrelated: does anyone know the phone number for
>Proton?
>
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>--
>Dennis Hilgenberg
>syd@ecn.purdue.edu

Well, the Revolver is not a bad table for the money, my friend has
one and it is pretty decent. Linn does not make a table for playing 78's,
however Rega does. I fell that the quality of the Rega arm is far superior
to the Revolvers and I would suggest that you tell your brother to check
them out. If I had the money I would suggest buying a Linn or a J.A.Michell
for normal records and a cheaper table (Rega or Revolver) for the 78's.

Andrew Welker
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Listening
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:56:04 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <ABRAMS.92Apr10114109@division.cs.columbia.edu> abrams@cs.columbia.edu (Steven Abrams) writes:

>However, I would like to point out that double-blind testing may not
>work in all cases.  

>Consider the following:

>A) Double Blind testing has shown that many differences thought to be
>heard between components are actually a result of placebo effects.
Indeed.  The level of such effects is also astonishing.  This has
been shown by testing involving an A/A/X test, i.e. no signal
that's different, with the switchbox disconnected!

>B) Studies have shown that Double Blind Testing masks audible
>differences between components.
Would you like to cite some of these studies? I've seen several
that purported to show this, but actually didn't.  This is
a bit tough of a thing to prove, even philosophically.

I find it hard to believe that it's possible to separate out the placebo
effect from the alledged effects of blind testing.

(about booze testing)
>Results like this show how
>hard it is to use double-blind test results to draw conclusions about
>the negative result.
That's one interpretation, and I'm not sure I accept it.  As many
people have proven, food tasting is very tough, and the chemical
receptors prone to all sorts of saturation and memory effects.
Especially when metabolic poisons are involved.

>The act of testing can have as much
>psychological effect masking differences as knowledge of what is being
>presented.  
And it can also enhance the results, given a decent test and
an educated listener.


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From: sdans@watson.ibm.com (Dan Simoes)
Subject: Looking for phone numbers...
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:08:41 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center


For Pioneer and EPI.

Anybody happen to know them?

Please email replies to sdans@watson.ibm.com
(summary by request)

Thanks,

| Dan |

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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong)
Subject: Re: Speaking of Pipes
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:07:19 GMT

In article <3340209@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
}>Sorry, a 64 foot pipe produces a fundamental at 8 HZ, NOT 16 HZ!!
}>Only :-) a 32 foot pipe is needed to produce 16 HZ, and it's use is
}>VERY common in large scale organ works.

It would be more correct to say that a pipe of 32' "pitch" is needed to
produce 16Hz.  The physical length of the pipe might easily be much
shorter than that.  

As far as being very common, a 32' principal is found only on very, very
expensive organs.  The 12 pipes in that rank can easily cost $30,000.
Much more common is the 32' Resultant, in which the 16Hz tone is
produced by playing the 16' stop along with a pipe a fifth above it.
The "resultant pitch"  is the difference between them--32'

}>Andrew Welker

}Speaking of pipes, does anyone know how to decode what Telarc gives you
}in with the CDs of organ music?  For example:
}
}GREAT
}Principal     16
}Viola Major   16
}PEDAL
}Principal     32
}Principal     16
}Quint         5-1/3
}CHOIR
}Cymbel        II-III

That's the stop list of the organ.  It doesn't indicate which stops are
actually drawn for any particular piece.  But that's what's available. 
The number is the pitch of the stop.  In the case like "Cymbel  II-III"
that means you're dealing with a mixture; it starts out playing 3 pipes
at the low end, and somewhere in the middle breaks back to 2 pipes.

If you want to read up on the subject (and this would probably increase
your appreciation of organ music), buy a paperback copy of "The Organ",
which is nothing more than the Grove encyclopaedia entry under the
subject "Organ", bound separately.  It's enough, but not too much.  

-- 

Norm Strong  (strong@tc.fluke.com)
2528 31st S.   Seattle WA 98144   USA
From: reddy@mips.com (T.S. Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.video.cable-tv
Subject: Re: DMX (Digital Music Channel)
Date: 6 Apr 1992 23:51:27 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: dish.mips.com

In article <=gpj3v#.anson@netcom.com> anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes:
>reddy@mips.com (T.S. Reddy) writes:
>
>>     Well, I finally took the plunge and subscribed to the DMX service. I
>>think it's pretty good. I am getting 30 channels of music of all varieties
>>(classical, opera, rock, top 40 etc.) with CD quality. A few channels do 
>>have noise but I think it's from the source rather than the transmission.
>>Also, the changeover from one song to another is not seamless.
>
>What kind of remote control was supplied with it?
>
>What cable system are you on?
>
>[I ask because I work for Scientific-Atlanta and am curious...]

    So do you know how the transmission is modulated? 

    The remote control is a basic one, with number buttons, tune up and
tune down, scan, TV and a few others. There is also a button called ID
which is supposed to bring up a numerical id that can be looked up in a
DMX guide (which I don't have) for the type of music that I can listen
to. But it doesn't work on my decoder.

    I'm on Heritage Cablevision which is actually a front for TCI.
-- 
T.S.Reddy (e-mail: reddy@mips.com)
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Mini system question.
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:19:17 GMT
Organization: City University, London

In article <1992Apr9.213747.13158@apollo.hp.com> champine@apollo.HP.COM (Mark Champine) writes:
>Questions:
>
>1.  Are my price ratios out of whack to maximize sound quality / dollar ?
>2.  Which speakers & recievers are "best" in this price range?
>3.  Has anyone put together a low-end component system that they are 
>    particularly pleased with ??

I would like to introduce the concept of minumum and maximum sound
quality within a system. For example the min might be from tape deck
and the max will probably be from cd. Here is my rule of thumb:
If you want a high max you will have to have a low min.
If you want a high min you will have to have a low max.

Consequences: If you can put up with a wide range, your best sound
quality, the max, will be good. If however you need all your sources
to have a fairly good quality, you won't get a very high max sound
quality.

Apart from the rule of max and min, there is a second one - speaker
size. (We are talking here about well built speakers, not cardboard
boxes.) The bigger the speaker the better the sound quality. Also
bigger speakers tend to cost more.

I put together for a friend who accepted a high max and low min
a system consisting of 200 pounds for the electronics (cd, tuner,
tape, amp) and 200 pounds for the speakers (Sony APM141ES). This
set up at 400 pounds outperformed all comers with smaller speakers
in both the mini and budget separates range, when playing cd..

LT
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Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
From: kschiu@descartes.waterloo.edu (Crying Freeman)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: amp for Old SL 6 speaker
Keywords: Copper dome tweeter
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:03:27 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo
Originator: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu


One of my friend recently has purchased a pair of used Celestion SL 6
speaker which has a copper dome.  He has trouble in finding the 
appropriate amp for them.


His choices are:
	Acurus pre/pow amp
	Rotel pre/pow amp 
	Audiolab 8000a intergrated
	Used Melo amp (power unknown)
        Sima pre/pow amp

Does anyone have any suggestion? The budget is around 1200 US.


Thanx in advance,

Ken

P.S. has anyone tried the Superphon amps that for mail order from
     Audio Advisor?        
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
From: awelker@watarts.UWaterloo.ca (a welker)
Subject: The High-End
Originator: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:04:26 GMT

I just would like to know what the hell has happened to this
newsgroup?? I can't stand reading rec.audio anymore since it
has turned into rec.audio.cd or rec.audio.humor, etc!!! Someone
asked a simple question to define to word air and most wrote
back some humorous response! What a way to be treated! It is for this
reason the we have rec.audio.high-end, I assume? So, where is
everybody. I have been reading the back issues in the archive where
people discussed music, audio and mods to old tube equipment. So, to
start up some traffic I ask the following of you:

How do Mercury Living Presence and RCA Living Stereo Canadian pressings
compare to their US counterparts. I was lucky enough to pick up 27
MLP and 45 RCA LS LP's in mint condition! Anyone?

I would like to hear from others who have done mods on Dynaco ST-70
and PAS-2. I want to know about mods that were done by the individual,
NOT a company kit!

Has anyone tried the new amp-clamp product reviewed in the last Stereophile?
Does it really do anything?

Any comment on the Rega cartridges, the Elys in particular. How does it
compare to cheaper moving coils like the Blue Point?

Please respond to the above so that I can regain my faith in this
group.

Andrew Welker

P.S. Tom, I especially want to hear from you on Dynaco mods!

[If I have time, I'll update my article. -tjk]
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
From: north@cco.caltech.edu (Donald Jack North)
Subject: Wanted: Heathkit W-5M amplifier
Summary: Would like to buy a Heathkit W-5M amplifier at a reasonable price
Originator: tjk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Keywords: Wanted: Amplifier
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:04:03 GMT
	sendmail 5.64/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP
	Sat, 11 Apr 92 21: 26:49 -0700 for info-high-audio@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Recently I received a Heathkit W-5M amplifier. This is a monaural valve unit
from the 1950's. I would like to buy another one so that I would then have
a stereo pair.I would appreciate any help in finding one of these units.

Thanks, 
Donald North
North@bartman.caltech.edu


Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end