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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:56:00 EST
Reply-To:     Michalis Syrimis <msg7038@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
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From:         Michalis Syrimis <msg7038@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Kupriako pavepistnmio

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>}Suvexeia suzntnsns gia to pavepistnmio.
>}Stavros.
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Mixalns:
>kamia sxesn me tov ypourgo Gewrgio Syrimn, oute kai me alla atoma me to idio
>epitheto (uparxouv arketoi) ektos apo tov adelfo mou Giwrgo Syrimn (dev
>eivai o Ypourgos Oikovomikwv :-), alla evas aplos apofoitos tou ATI opws kai
>egw alloste).

>To posting to eixa steilei priv apo peripou eva mnva, alla dev favnke sth
>lista para movo priv apo liges meres.  Oi plnrofories pou edwsa ntav apo
>tnlefwvikn syvomilia pou eixa me tnv Kypro.

>Se vea tnlefwvikn syvomilia pou eixa tnv Kyriakn ematha kai ta parakatw:
>To pavepistnmio syvexizei va eivai isws to kyriwtero thema syzntnsews,
>pio symantiko kai apo tis symomilies stn N.Iorkn, avamesa sto kosmo.
>Eixe prongnthei syvedria, autn pou avafera sto prwto mou posting, stnv opoia
>n ka. Tsogiwpoulou dev parousiastnke, pragma pou ekswrgnsai ta meln tns boulns,
>ta perissotera toulaxistov.
>Stn syvedria pou egeive telika, n ka. Tsogiopoulou eipe oti n idia proswpika
>xnristnke to olo thema tns teletns twv egkainiwv.  Eipe oti dev thewreise
>avagkaio pws o yfipourgos paideias ths Elladas eprepe va prosfwvisei thv
>teletn.
>Avafere episns oti dev tns eixe avakoivwthei oti eixe stalei mnvnma apo
>tov ypourgo paideias ths Elladas,para movo 30 lepta priv tnv teletn twv
>egkaiviwn.

>S' auto to snmeio epevebei o ypourgos paideias ths Kyprou o opoios ntav parwv
>stn syvedriasn kai eipe:
>-Me sygxwreite, alla prepei va epembw s'auto to snmeio.
>Kyria Tsogiwpoulou sas edwsa proswpika to mnvnma tou kuriou ypourgo
>2 meres priv tnv mera twv egkaiviwv. *******************

>H bouln apofasise oti n ka. Tsogiopoulou tha prepei eite va paretnthei,
>n va pafthei apo tov proedro pou eivai autos pou tnv diorise.
>H apofasn psnfnstnkai apo ola ta kommata ektos tou AKEL, dev kserw av
>pshfise evavtiov n av apeisxav.

>>>Den einai alhthia oti o kosmos apodokhmase tes praxeis ths Tsougiopoulou.
>>>Ta kommata plhn tou AKEL exoun katadhkash me antonh glwssa ta gegwnota
>>>alla apo osa diavazw stes efhmerides o kosmos tous grafei.
>>>>>                                   --------------------
>>>>>                                   SWSTOS O KYPRIAKOS LAOS!!

>Ti evvoeis dnladn, oti o kosmos dev pisteuei oti leve ta komata, n oti
> apla dev evdiaferetai?

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>} Eivai dikn mou gvwmn oti stnv Kupro o kosmos eivai "polu tsimevtwmevos"
>} mesa sta kommata. Elpizw oti kapoia mera auto 0a alla3ei. Apo oti katalaba
>} sto muvhma leei oti o kosmos evdiaferetai gia to 0ema alla dev exei 0esn
>} avaloga me autn twv kommatwv. Pisteuw oti o kosmos PREPEI va evdiaferetai
>} gia ta koiva (e3allou eimaste "social animals") alla va mnv tnlekateu0uvetai
>} apo ta kommata.
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Ta komata, ekseroumevou tou AKEL, eixav tis idies theseis opws favnke apo
tis syvedriaseis tns boulns gia to thema.

>Ta atoma me ta opoia milnsa egw, exouv katadikasei katngornmatika tis
>prakseis tns proedrou tns epitropns.

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>} This sample COULD be biased.
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Pws mporei kapoios va eivai "biased" (merolnptikos) se auto to thema?
Exw milnsei oxi movo me tnv oikogeveia mou, alla kai me filous.
Avexarthta politikns topothetnsews eixav oloi tnv idia apopsn.
Kapoio melos tns listas apo tnv Ellada mou esteile episns mail
legovtas mou oti n oln upothesn dysarestnse tnv Ellnvikn kybervnsn
alla to thema theoreite pleov lnksav.
>>>To AKEL eipe
>>>oti yphrxan kakoi xhrimoi sta egenia alla den prepei na pernoun diastaseis
>>>to thema. Kata thn dikh mou apopsei to olo thema fenetai na edhmiourghthei
>>>kai pali apo pleuras ekklhsia pou den arese to oti den ekanan agiasmo.
>>                                   -----------------------------------
>>>>> AN PRAGMATIKA H TSOUGIOPOULOU PHRE APOFASH NA MHN GINEI AGIASMOS TOTE
>>>>> EGW LEW "MPRABO!" KAI THN YPOSTHRIZW. DEN 3ERW AN EKANE ALLES KAKES
>>>>> ENERGEIES ALLA EDW THN PARADEXOMAI.

>Peste mas kai giati, av thelete?

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>} To ti gvwrizw gia to 0ema eivai oti graftnke stov "Hellas". Mporei kai n
>} Tsougiopoulou va e3uperntei kapoia politika sumferovta n kapoious
>} politikavtndes. Mou arese omws pou dev egive agiasmos dioti:
>}     (1) Pisteuw oti n ekklnsia eivai POLY PARAPANW apo oti prepei avamigmevn
>}         stnv ekpaideusn.
>}     (2) Qewrw tov agiasmo sav eva teletourgnma kapws asteio, mesaiwviko. P.x.
>}         stis perissoteres periptwseis o agiasmos givetai gia va fugouv ta
>}         kaka pveumata. Diafwvw sto oti PREPEI va givei agiasmos dioti auto
>}         kavouv kai oi Tourkoi.
Dev eipa oti eprepe va givei agiasmos epeide to kavouv oi Tourkoi.  Dev
kserw av exouv auto to ethimo oi avthrwpoi.  Apla eipa oti eprepe va
givei agiasmos epeide auto apaitouse n ellnvikn mas paradosn, kai episns
tha eprepe va givei otidnpote allo apaitei n tourkikn paradosn.

Xwris va eimai bathus gvwstns twv xristiavikwv paradosewv mou faivetai
oti o agiasmos givetai mallov gia va mpouv ta kala pneumata para gia va
fygouv ta kaka.  Zntntai n bontheia/presbeia tou Theou/Xristou klp. wste
auto pou prokeite va arxisei va paei kala...

>}     (3) Blepw tous papades va "sarwvouv", kuriws sta xwria, kai dev mou
>}         aresei va tous blepw va kuriarxouv ("dominate").
Ti evvoeis edw sygkekrimeva?
H OMONOIA sarwve palia sta gnpeda kai kyriarxnse sto Pagkyprio Prwtathlnma
apo to 1975-1985 (ex ou kai n Xrysn Dekaetia).
Pavtws fetos sarwvei n SALAMINA (mexris stigmns toulaxistov).

>}     (4) Sou 0umizw tnv baboura pou egive otav n bouln ynfise tov
>}         politiko gamo. H ekklnsia kuklofornse tote eva bibliaraki
>}         foberotato.
>}
>} Qelw va 0ei3w kai eva allo 0ema. Ta kommata (kai n ekklnsia) blepouv to
>} pavepistnmio sav eva meros pou 0elouv va elegxouv mesw twv foitntwv kai giati
>} oxi kai twv leitourgwv.
>}   Telos, lew oti dev pairvw 0esn gia ta gegovota, aplws e3efrasa tnv
>}   au0ormntn mou euxaristnsn pou dev egive agiasmos. Episns 0elw va
 euxaristnsw
>}   eseva kai tov Avdrea gia oles tis plnrofories.
>}
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Skeftnkes oti kai n Kybervnsn mporei va prospathei va kavei to idio
pragma?
Euxaristw kai egw.
>>>Exallou o Xrysostomos exagghle thn Paraskeuh oti den einai dynato o Kypriakos
>>>laos na enwthei katw apo politiko arxhgo. Bgalte ta symperasmata sas||

>Stn bouln egeive thema to kataposo n politikn pou akoloutheite mexri twra
>sto pavepistnmio prospathei va probalei tn dikoivwtikotnta tou pavepistnmiou,
>dikoivwtiko tha eivai kai to kratos to opoio prospathoume va petuxoume,
>parablepovtas kai akoma upobathizontas tnv ethvikotnta kathe koivotntas.

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>} Pisteuw oti kapoio/a komma/ta, orgavwsn/eis exouv auto to skopo. Diafwvw
>}me tnv prospa0eia diafa0mnsns tns e0nikotntas.
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>Kati tetoio eivai avtitheto me tis arxes idrusews tou pavepistnmiou pou leve
>oti vai mev to idruma tha eivai dukoivwtiko omws n ethvikotnta tns * kathe*
>koivotntas oxi movo tha eivai sebastn alla kai tha probaletai mesw tou
>pavepistnmiou. Kati poromoio avaferetai kai sto syvtagma gia to kratos.

>Stn sygkekrimevn periptwsn tou agiasmou, tha eprepe va givei agiasmos
>dioti auto apaitei n paradwsn tns ellnvikns koivwtntas kai otidepote
>allo syvithizetai va givetai stn tourkikn koivwtnta (p.x 'agiasmos' apo
>tov mouftn).

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>} Dev snmaivei oti apaitei n paradosn prepei swvei kai kala va givetai.
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Me autn thv apopsn diafwvw, alla tnv sebomai apolyta.

H paradosn eivai to pio basiko pragma se eva lao, idika otav
brisketai upo sunthnkes opws autes stis opoies briskomaste emeis twra.

Teleiwvovtas tha elega oti stnv oln upothesn tns teletns
thelovtas va deiksoume kaln thelnsn pros tous Tourkokyprious, ftasame sta
akra.  Yia meva eivai evtelws aparadekto to oti dev dothnke o logos stov
avtiproswpo tou Ellnvikou Ypourgeiou Paideias, kai episns to oti dev
egeive agiasmos.
Tha eithela va kserw me pia idiotnta akribws parebrethei o "prwthypurgos"
tou yeudokratous..............

Sta plaisia tns kalns thelnsns eixe protathei va ktistei to pavepistnmio
stnv Perioxn SOPAZ, stnv Prasivn Grammn, me duo eisodos mia pros borra kai
mia pros noto.  Eytyxws auto dev egeive telika....Av oxi tipote allo
alla gia ve mnv givomaste kai perigelo otav zntame apo xwres va mnv
avagvwrisouv to kratos tou Dentktash.
Mixalns (deutern fora)

>} Stavros (2n fora)


>Mixalns (prwtn fora)

>>>Andreas

>>>>> STAVROS. (1n fora)
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Michalis Syrimis
University of Illinois
Urbana-Champaign

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