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From: davis@lugg.utah.edu (Darrell R. Davis)
Subject: Re: Yo, Telemarkers !!
  
Organization: College of Science, University of Utah
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:52:29


> retail price in the usa?
> quality (can they take being driven hard in the moguls> 
>> There are some telemarkers who are stopping by the office trying to catchup
>> on work because we'll be sliding soon.

>> What type of ski's are these ?
>> I think evolution's are made in SLC and they are expensive.
>> Black Diamond has a plant here now but I don't think they make ski's here.
>> I think Black Diamond gets there ski's from over-seas.

>> On the quality issue, If your a strong skier you will trash a pair of
>> telemark boards in the bumps, and skiing the resorts.  My experience with
>> tele-boards is that they don't hold up to every day resort skiing but do


Evolution now makes a couple of different tele boards.  I skied a day
last year with a couple tele-racers on the Evolution team.  The skis
seemed to work pretty well for them as I had a hell of time keeping
up.  We were skiing at Alta off the high traverse, thats pretty
abusive treatment for any ski.  Evolutions are pretty expensive, but I
don't think they are any worse than Black Diamond.   You will probably be
looking at $300 and up for the Evolutions.

There are many tele skis available that are only suitable for skiing
at resorts, too stiff for pleasurable back-country skiing.  There are
several tele-boards that are good all-around resort/backcountry.  The
Tua Cirque (Same as Black-Diamond 'Tele-Savage'), the Atomic OT
Touring, and the Rossignol Haute Route are all very nice.  I've skied
on both the Tuas and the Atomics.  What do I ski on?  A pair of 195 cm
Dynastar Omeglass SL downhil boards, but then I have tele'ed on 207 cm
Atomic SL's so that blows my credibility to hell.  There is a long
list of downhill boards that make good tele-boards, depends on your
skiing style and how much of a purist you are. 

In Utah you can get by with one ski for both resorts and back-country
because the resort snow is still pretty soft most of the time.  At
other places you might want a stiffer ski for resorts, a ski that
would be less suitable in powder. 

Many people find stiff skis very difficult in powder due to the
tendency of the tips to dive.  This is magnified many times when
tele'in compared to downhill skiing.  If you are going to be pinning
much in soft snow make sure you have ski with a soft tip.  I think a
wider ski is also good, hence the preference for downhill boards, but
opinions on this are more diverse.


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 Darrell R. Davis 
 University of Utah 
  
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Ski Clubs in Houston
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:55:38 GMT
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Hello, skiier's:

  I have recently moved to the Houston area and have been looking for a good
snow-ski club to join.  Anybody out there in netland got some recommendations?

reply to: hadcrjam@admin.uh.edu

thanks!

Jammer Jim
(sometimes called snowjammer when it gets cold)


semper fi,

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:59:18 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

I thought launce was sufficiently outrageous to be funny.  Keep up the
good work.

In article <SSH.92Aug26103230@snow.boulder.ibm.com> <ssh@vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>Never eaten at the Cliff Lodge, huh?  Depends on your taste, too...

The faire between the restaurants at the Bird (as is much of Utah) fairly
bland.  Denver has far better restaurants.  Face it, Utah is not known for
its cuisine.  Launce is right.  Park City has far more diverse restaurants.
It has room (being a Valley) to grow and build.  The Canyon does not.

>C'mon, gang, this just isn't all that funny anymore.  As if the miniscule
>number of people reading this newsgroup have any effect whatsoever on the
>volume of skier traffic at any major ski resort.  There are likely more skiers
>on the smallest Iowa ski hill on a slow day than readers of this group!  Maybe

The last numbers from Reid's machine showed an estimated 7-8,000 lurkers.
I think that's high, but how many people ski the smallest Iowa hill?

>I'm just hungry 'cause I missed breakfast, or maybe the newly whitened peaks of
>the back range have me a bit worked up, but this all seems a bit silly...

Get something to eat.  We'll cover for you. ;^)

Ski the usual place.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: jym@sgi.com ()
Subject: Re: Beginner's silly questions (!)
Keywords: invasions
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:17:33 GMT

Bob Lombard says:
>Hmmm.. seems to me that I see more Colorado plates on a daily basis
>in San Diego than I ever see California plates in Colorado in 4 to 6
>weeks trips ! :)

Those are Californians who came to Colorado for the skiing, but 
there was too much powder, and not enough groovy people in the lodge,
and besides, there's no good BMW mechanics here.  So they all moved
back.  Those are the Colorado plates you see in San Diego.  On a serious
note, there are far more Californians moving to Colorado right now,
than the opposite.

jim t
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: CO (Californicating) was Beginner's silly questions (!)
Keywords: invasions
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 06:37:10 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep01.225810.33137@watson.ibm.com> crispin@watson.ibm.com
(Crispin Cowan) writes:
>Sure, I'd love to move to Colorado, too,
>but how many high-tech research labs are there in Aspen, anyways?

The number is non-zero, but I leave it to the companies who have them
to post their existence.  Aspen has been the site of some interesting
conferences and projects since the initial Aspen Movie-Map Project.

Hell, even Seymour Cray moved to Colorado (albeit CO Springs, and took up
skiing) and commented on moving to Colorado when he last spoke in public.
He was extremely impressed with the work force.  Oooh!
but you work for IBM?!  Pardon me!  But then Cray came from Wisconsin 8^).
No, CCC does not have an Aspen Lab to my knowledge.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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		MEMORANDUM
			August 28, 1963

	Memorandum To: Messrs.	A. L. Williams
				T. V. Learson
				H. W. Miller, Jr.
				E. R. Piore
				O. M. Scott
				M. B. Smith
				A. K. Watson

	Last week CDC had a press conference during which they officially
	announced their 6600 system. I understand that in the laboratory
	developing this system there are only 34 people, "including the 
	janitor." Of these, 14 are engineers and 4 are programmers, and
	only one person has a PhD., a relatively junior programmer. To
	the outsider, the laboratory appeared to be cost concious, hard
	working, and highly motivated.

	Contrasting this modest effort with our own vast development
	activities, I fail to understand why we have lost our industry
	leadership by letting someone else offer the world's most
	powerful computer. At Jenny Lake, I think top priority should
	be given to a discussionas to what we are doing wrong and how we
	should go about changing it immediately.

						T. J. Watson, Jr.
	TJW,Jr:jmc
	cc: Mr. W. B. McWhirter
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From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Beginner's silly questions (!)
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:31:36 GMT

joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) writes:
>In response to all the Texas bashing done by certain citizens of the great
>state of Colorado, ...

As a 25 year citizen of Colorado:

	I would rather have 50,000 Texans visiting Colorado per
	year, than 30,000 Californians moving here any day.

--Chris "looking for a new place to live" Webster

Don't Californicate Colorado!
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Attention North East!
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:11:20 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

Does anyone know when the season starts for any of the following areas?

 - Jay Peak, Vermont
 - Killington, Vermont
 - Sunday River, Maine

I'm interested in getting a house near one of these and want to go as soon as
possible but not too early.
 - Thanks
 - Kirk
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Subject: Re: Wolf Creek & Crested Butte (Was Re: Beginner's silly questions (!))
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898)
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:49:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power

In article <78828@ut-emx.uucp> joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) writes:
>In my earlier post, I was mistaken...I did mean Wolf Creek, not Bear Creek.
>Does anyone know about this area?  Good for Beg/Int?  I am a fairly new skier

Wolf Creek is a smallish area with mostly intermediate terrain. The
incredible quality and quantity of snow that falls makes up for the
many of it's shortcomings though.  Wolf Creek is about an hour drive
from Durango and is located near the top of the pass.  It looked like
it could be a real treacherous drive although it wasn't snowing the
day I went.

>Also, does anyone have some more info about the free skiing at Crested Butte
>in Nov/Dec?  How can they do that?  Are hotel rates sky high?  $20 toll road?
>Inquiring minds want to know!

Crested Butte is too far from the front range for day skiing.
Gunnison is the nearest population center and that aint saying much.
Regularly, only nazi pinheads with season passes would be skiing at
the Butte in early season.  You can pretty much consider the locals
desperate for cash by Thanksgiving since the last tourist they saw was
probably in mid September when the aspens changed colors.  I don't
know about room rates but I would guess that they are mid-season
rates.  The ski area itself probably looses less by doing good
concessions than it would by selling a few paltry tickets at full
price.  If the ski area owns some of the real-estate then it might
even make some money.  The town gets a desperately needed cash
infusion and the locals might even be able to afford to buy a few
Christmas presents for a change.  Of course, it really is a bit risky
proposition for us skiers.  November and December are notoriously iffy
snow wise.  You could wind up with 50 acres of ice - oops, I mean
snowmaking - and a gravel base on what ever else they had the nerve to
open.



-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, hudgens@enh.nist.gov writes:

> [mild toasting of joewhite@ut-emx.uucp for being a new skier]

> At most big-time areas the black diamond terrain is steep enough that 
> a skier who doesn't have good control can hit 50-80 mph (not that your 
> rental skis will let you go that fast).

 Well now, that's real interesting. I don't know of *anybody* who can
 accidentally hit 50-80 mph. 30 mph is "way fast" to most people, and 
 anything more pretty much requires a good tuck and smooth terrain.
 Of course it could be that I've never seen any of these real steep
 slopes....

> Have you ever noticed that many beginners feel compelled to hit the 
> blacks after 2 days? Have you ever noticed how they all ski "parallel" 
> within hours of putting on ski boots the 1st time?  Don't you think 
> that this bunch should [..] try out Corbet's Couloir immediately?

 Have you ever noticed how much fun skiing is to people who are new to
 the sport? Have you ever noticed their enthusiasm when they complete
 their first top-to-bottom-without-a-fall run? Have you ever noticed how
 some self-styled "experts" do their best to make you think they know
 everything by saying how stupid the beginners are?

 Sheesh.

 ..glen
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:01:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Knees. . .
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> Which brings us to the question:  Do the new bindings that release straight
> up at the toe protect the knee in this "tail whack" scenario?  Are there any
> statistics on older upward toe-release bindings (e.g., Look XM and Geze)
> showing fewer ACL injuries?

The problem upward release at the toe is that the binding has
no information on the angle of the knee. While I'd like the toe to
release when my leg is straight up, I don't want it to release just because 
I went over a serie of small bump while my legs are bent at let 
say 45 degrees.

I have a pair of Marker MRR bindings and the toe released twice in 
situations where I sure would have liked the ski to stay on my foot.
(Basically skiing fast down a blue run and hit a serie of small bumps.)

Seems to me that the bindings of the future will have some sort of gizmo
attaching to the knee and sending information back to the toe piece...

bruno.
From: lbf@waffle.unet.com (Lisa B. Farr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Keywords: boredom, random, bad food, california
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:35:21 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City

>Bland?? Utah not known for (good) cuisine?? There are some excellent local
>dishes. Just pick up some of the Mormon Cookbooks. You would not believe
>what can be done with Jello(tm). There's something about a good Jello/Cool
>Whip/Marshmallow/m&m salad. Or how about deep fried Hostess Twinkies rolled
>in confectioners sugar. Where else can you get that? Great for those midwinter
>family home evenings.

You forget Spam(tm) and Velveeta(tm) sandwiches on Wonder Bread(tm) with
Miracle Whip(tm).

>Ski somewhere else.

Never ski California.  Ever.  You'll hate it.
lbf@waffle.net.com

Network Equpment Technologies, Access Products Division, Santa Barbara, Ca.
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From: twm3@world.std.com (Thomas W Moore)
Subject: Re: WHATS NEW FOR 92 AT COLORADO SKI AREAS - EDITION 2
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:20:51 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.004628.1000@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace) writes:
>
>    ***  Keystone opens in 8 weeks!  ***

With Killington opening in six or seven weeks :-)

-Tom
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From: steve.woodward@betabbs.newton.ma.us (Steve Woodward) 
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: LOOKING FOR SKI HOUSE IN
Date: 31 Aug 92 11:27:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Beta BBS -=- Newton MA -=- (617)244-7053
Reply-To: steve.woodward@betabbs.newton.ma.us (Steve Woodward) 

-> Despite the last few posts re: Sunday river ski area, I am
-> investigating the possibility of renting a ski house for a group for
-> this season. If any of you know of a place, please call or email me.
-> I am interested houses (or condos...) which will sleep at least 6
-> people.  Houses which sleep more (up to 15?) are fine, too. The
-> number of people I involve will be a function of house and cost... It
-> doesn't need to be particularly fancy, must have a fireplace or wood
-> buring stove, is within 20 minutes or so of Sunday River, and has
-> adequate parking.

        Why not call Sunday River up and see what condos they have, I'm
sure they must have something for atleast 6 people (and more).
From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: Custom Boots
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:56:50 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann) wrote:
>Is it generally possible to customize boots that weren't originally
>custom jobs?
> 
>I have some San Marco's that have been through 3 moderate seasons and
>are getting loose.  Can they be salvaged or are new boots the only
>answer?

Three moderate(?) seasons doesn't sound very wearing for a ski boot--unless
moderate means 100 days/season.  If the inner boot is worn out, then
you can buy a replacement from San Marco. I would recommend going a few
bucks more and buying a foam liner with a foam tongue. Much better fit. A
couple of other outfits offer replacement liners too.  If your liner is
fine, then you just need the usual addition of padding/ducktape/matchbooks/
napkins to compensate for the liner compression.

You should examine the soles of your outer boot for excessive wear at the
heel and toe. Also check the shell for micro-cracks. If your model is still
made, it is worth comparing the stiffness of an unused shell with your 
(300+ days?) shell. You may see differences in stiffness and alignment that
you don't want to live with.

Jeff Hudgens
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Sunday River
Date: 3 Sep 1992 12:40:04 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

In article <1992Sep2.173948.10893@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
|> 
|> NOT KILLINGTON???
|> Granted there are other excellent ski areas in Vt., but How can you exclude
|> Killington? .....

<stuff deleted>

|> 	AND if you know the mountian these crowds can easily be avo 
|> Even if it's not your absolute favorite, If you are an educated skier, it
|> should be found somewhere  near the top of your list.
|> 
|> 							Todd S.
|> 
No, Not Killington.  I realize that this may not be a popular opinion
but it is MY opinion.  All of the arguements you made in your posting 
are true, and Killington is NEAR the top of my list.  However, I feel
that during the middle of the season there are many other choices in
Vermont that have better skiing with smaller crowds and less expensive
lift tickets.  It depends on what you're looking for.  Pre-season and 
Post-season Killington and Sunday River win hands down.  

Just One persons HO.

Bob Schwartz
Thinking Machines Corp. 
Cambridge MA
From: bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Beginner's silly questions (!)
Keywords: invasions
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:58:24 PDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: what? me organized? no way!

chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster) writes:

> joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) writes:
> >In response to all the Texas bashing done by certain citizens of the great
> >state of Colorado, ...
> 
> As a 25 year citizen of Colorado:
> 
> 	I would rather have 50,000 Texans visiting Colorado per
> 	year, than 30,000 Californians moving here any day.

Hmmm.. seems to me that I see more Colorado plates on a daily basis
in San Diego than I ever see California plates in Colorado in 4 to 6
weeks trips ! :)

> --Chris "looking for a new place to live" Webster

Alaska ? 


 

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: RFD: Reorganization of rec.skiing
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 06:39:17 GMT

Klaus:
This is perhaps one of the best composed, funniest posts, I have seen all year.
For it, you get the $10 prize for the year.  Send (email or post)
snail-mail address (difficult to FAX or email a real bill).  Current,
topical (reorgs are certainly popular these days), well formatted,
broad spectrum.  You should post it to alt.best.of.the.internet.
Previous winners included the out of bounds skiing posts and Gulf Ski
War last year (one winner at MIPS accepted his cash, the other graceously
declined).

>Apres Ski? I know, I know. (frantically waving hand with grin on face)
>That's French right? Its French for "go to sleep", right?

It's French alright, but you have to read from the Book.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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From: TedKahn@cup.portal.com (Theodore E Kahn)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Crested Butte - Free Skiing???
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:40:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <1992Aug28.152453.7667@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>

Hi Mark,
	You just can't read everything at the same time!  I came
across the info about the new high-speed quad 5 min after posting
my note.  I was wondering if someone would catch it.  You win, the
next beers on me.

	-Ted
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:27:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Need Tahoe Suggestions
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, tom@uts.amdahl.com (Tom Goodwin) writes:

> But last year, as I remember it, the exclusions were pretty broad: not
> valid on weekends or any day within a mile of a holiday(Dec 20-Jan 3).  It's
> about $50 otherwise.  

 Dang...Tom's right on the money here. Since I've never had the opportunity
 to use the "free" lesson I wasn't aware of the exclusions. I just rang
 up the ski school and guess what...they said *exactly* what Tom wrote
 here, except that the normal beginner package is $49.00, not $50.00 :-)

 More news: the Fun-In-The-Sun program (as it was known) is going to be
 even more limited this year...(less instruction, more restricted area).
 Given that I'd opt for the "normal" beginner package. At $49.00 it aint
 free but it's still a pretty good deal.

 ..glen

 
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:33:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Knees/ACL injuries
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA