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From: rush@mnementh.metaphor.com (Ed Rush)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The upcoming STRIKE.
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:56:48 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA

In article <ARBOGASTW.34@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast) writes:
>
>Sharks ... got one of the world's hottest graphic artists to design 
>and develop their logo and image, they held focus groups to determine colors 
>and what types of mercahndise people wanted, etc, etc, etc.  

He wasn't one of the world's hottest graphic artists then -- just a good
local guy.  He is one of the hottest now, I suspect!

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From: sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Subject: schedule
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:26:29 GMT

  a postcard from vancouver and maybe a canucks jersey for the first person
to post the complete schedule for the remaining 30-ish games of the regular
season.

  oh, yeah, canucks in 6 over the rangers for the cup!


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From: 880691c@ace.acadiau.ca (MATT CUNDILL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: HNIC: (Was Toronto Maple Leafs)
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:41:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Acadia University

In article <1992Apr15.005453.21265@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash) writes:
>From: ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash)
>Subject: Re: Toronto Maple Leafs 
>Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:54:53 GMT

>In article <1992Apr14.181449.27416@cs.mcgill.ca> shayne@cs.mcgill.ca (Lydia MANCINI) writes:

>When I watched Hockey Night in Canada this past Christmas when I was home,
>I was promised the Leafs in "Southern Ontario".  Evidently Belleville wasn't
>considered "S. Ontario", so I was treated to the Flames instead.  I don't
>know if this was typical, but when the closest NHL team is shunned by
>television, how are people supposed to stay/get interested in the product?
>I've had better luck catching the Sharks on TV out here.

If you think that's bad, in the Maritimes we are forced to watch the Leafs 
more often than not on Hockey Night in Canada. You'd think they 
were Canada's team or something. Thank god for Radio-Canada broadcasting the 
Habs games. I'm glad that the Maple Leafs are eliminated, now I can have the 
benefits of watching HNIC in English, with Bob Cole at the helm, and not 
have to be forced to watch the Maple Leafs.
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From: ash@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (David Ash)
Subject: Re: I'm lost. 
Summary: Is this a lockout?
Originator: dash@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:33:46 GMT

In article <djung.702752385@sfu.ca> djung@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Shew Lon Jung) writes:

>Has anyone else found that things don't seem to make sense in this whole
>dispute?  For instance, why would the owners bring up this hockey card
>issue into the negotiations, when they HAD to know how the PA would
>react, and jeopardize the playoffs and millions of dollars in revenue?
>I can't see any added revenue in a new hockey-card agreement offsetting
>the losses resulting from no playoffs.

I also don't understand why the owners wouldn't have locked out the players
in the fall to prevent the loss of playoff revenues.  With any foresight
they must have seen this coming--the players earn their salaries and then
take an early vacation.  On the other hand, if the season *is* cancelled,
then the players will have lost most of their bargaining power, because
the owners will bring in replacement players in the fall, and the NFL has
proven this to be an effective strikebreaking weapon.

So both sides have a *lot* to lose as far as I can see.  Therefore I'm still
predicting something will happen before 3 pm tomorrow.  If I'm wrong and
nothing happens other than the season being cancelled, I would agree that
there is something strange going on that we don't know about?

Incidentally, could this dispute now be characterized as a lockout rather
than a strike?  The owners didn't just demand that the players return to
work by 3pm Thursday;  they demanded that the players accept the latest
proposal and return to work.  Failure to accept the owners' terms will
result in the cancellation of the season which sounds like a lockout to
me.
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From: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: When does one buy new hockey skates?
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:11:36 GMT
Reply-To: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Apr6.152217.636@berlioz.nsc.com> alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn) writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.151217.39053@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, vonwaadn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>|>
>|> 
>|> How can you tell you need new skates?
>
   Some folks opt for replacing the blade (not sure of the cost) and
   prolonging the life of the boot.

Judy


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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: 84-game season?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:30:24 GMT

In article <11288@mindlink.bc.ca> Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton) writes:
>I can't believe this idea is even being considered, let alone accepted by both
>management and players.

Since they plan to play two of those four games in non-NHL North
American and European markets, it is an extremely good idea to
give the game wider exposure, and test out potential new markets.

Gerald
From: rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares)
Subject: Re: Most popular athletes
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:47:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.125437.1@sask.usask.ca>, chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
 Most popular athletes in NHL cities/regions (one athlete per team per region)
|> 									Apr/92
|> 		Most popular		Second most popular
|> Chicago	Michael Jordan		Ryne Sandberg

     Sandberg more popular than Mike Ditka?  Ha!

|> Detroit	Isiah Thomas		Steve Yzerman

	Barry Sanders?

|> Los Angeles	Wayne Gretzky		Ramon Martinez

	Magic Johnson?

|> Minnesota	Kirby Puckett		Mike Modano

	Herschel Walker?   Ok, just kidding.

|> San Jose	Joe Montana		Pat Falloon

	Canseco, Clark?

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From: zalewk@rpi.edu (Kenny Zalewski)
Subject: Re: More on the screwing of the Badgers...
Organization: Information Technology Services at Rensselaer, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:53:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.000556.5325@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> ddavis@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Donald Davis) writes:
>	Let's get it straight.  Officiating general leaves much to be
>desired; the officiating Saturday night was the worst I've seen since a
>Saturday night in 1974 when USHL officials took 5 (there's that number
>again) goals away from the Milwaukee Admirials in a game against the Sioux
>City Musketeers.  Finally, no one ever said these refs were dishonest, just
>incompetent!!!

Tim MacConaghy, and for that matter, all NCAA officials, have gone thru 
years of moving up the "officiating ladder".  They are among the best
officials in the country (including NHL, since I believe a college game is
tougher to call than an NHL game).  I've heard enough of this incompetence
bull.  These guys ARE quite competent.  There are many, many factors
which contribute to the officiating of a hockey game, and unless you've
officiated at the high school, college, or pro level, don't even pretend
to have a clue as to what it's all about.  The game is very different when
you come out of your secure seat in the stands, strap on the skates, and
get right out there with the players.  Once you've done that, and survived,
then I'll feel OK about listening to your complaints.         -- kennyz

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From: shayne@cs.mcgill.ca (Lydia MANCINI)
Subject: Re: Hockey Night in Canada (Was Re: Toronto Maple Leafs)
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:02:34 GMT

In article <92Apr16.131543edt.8887@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) writes:
>Well, this just about takes the cake. A Hab fan (living in
>Montreal) and a Leaf fan (visiting Ontario), complaining about
>the coverage their teams receive on Molson's Hockey Night in Canada. 
>
>Astounding.
>
>I know a number of residents of the Atlantic Provinces and
>probably the west (in the 60's and 70's prior to expansion)
>don't share your sentiments.

I don't understand what you mean here. What 'sentiments' are you talking about?
When I say the HNIC broadcasts of games sucks, I mean the work done by their so-called
analysts. Whenever MTL plays Toronto or the Leafs don't have a game, HNIC makes
Bob Cole do the games. What does he know about them? He's always asking Dick to
comment anyway! 

>I have complaints about HNIC's coverage as well. However, not
>showing enough Leaf and Hab games aren't amoung them.

Did I ever say in my article that I thought they do not show ENOUGH Habs games?
They do show alot, I admit - but the producers of the show own the team. 
(Molson, that is).

>Undoubtedly, one of the reasons I dislike the Habs and Leafs
>results from the force feeding I've received in earlier years.

Well they don't call TSN the Toronto Sports Network for nothing. :-)

Alot of people complain about HNIC's coverage of games. Basically they broadcast the
teams closest to that area. They can't go to every person's doorstep and ask them
what they want to watch.

>Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)


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From: chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Most popular athletes
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:54:37 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

I'm compiling a list of the two most popular athletes in each NHL city or
region.  Please reply through e-mail if you are sure a change in the list is in
order.  Thanks in advance.

Glenn


Most popular athletes in NHL cities/regions (one athlete per team per region)
									Apr/92
		Most popular		Second most popular
Boston		Roger Clemens		Larry Bird
Buffalo		Jim Kelly		Pat LaFontaine
Calgary		Al MacInnis		Doug Flutie
Chicago		Michael Jordan		Ryne Sandberg
Detroit		Isiah Thomas		Steve Yzerman
Edmonton	Bill Ranford		Tracy(sp?) Ham(?)
Hartford	Larry Bird		Kay Whitmore?
Los Angeles	Wayne Gretzky		Ramon Martinez
Minnesota	Kirby Puckett		Mike Modano
Montreal	Patrick Roy		Gary Carter
New Jersey	Lawrence Taylor		Derrick Coleman
Long Island,NY	Pierre Turgeon
New York City	Dwight Gooden		Don Mattingly
Philadelphia	Randall Cunningham	Len Dykstra
Pittsburgh	Mario Lemieux		Andy Van Slyke
Quebec City	Joe Sakic
St. Louis	Ozzie Smith		Brett Hull
San Jose	Joe Montana		Pat Falloon
Toronto		Roberto Alomar		Wendel Clark
Vancouver	Pavel Bure		?
Washington	Art Monk		Cal Ripken, Jr.
Winnipeg	Phil Housley(?)		Chris Walby
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Kiss the playoffs goodbye
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:43:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.025044.11515@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:
>Until a couple days ago I was completely with the players. Now, however,
>my feeling is that they're asking too much too quickly. Whether the deal
>is fair or not, it is not IMHO reasonable to expect the league to make
>this big of a change this quickly.

What big change are the players asking the league to make, quickly or
otherwise?  The issue that seems to be keeping them apart is the trading
card issue, in which the players are wanting the status quo formalized in
the contract language.  It's the owners who want to change the status quo
in the trading card issue.

 The players should accept a short term
>deal that adresses most of the important issues and work out the rest
>in the meantime.

The problem is with the "in the meantime".  As long as the players are
playing, the owners have no incentive to bargain.  We saw this in the
regular season.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com



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From: ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Warren Arbogast)
Subject: Re: Pens-4 Caps-1
Keywords: Pens clinch 3rd place
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:25:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.152820.123991@cs.cmu.edu> lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes:

>received a minor for roughing.  As Dino made his way to the penalty box, he
>was taunted with chants of "Rapist" and "Pervert".

I'm curious (seriously) as to whether Scott Stevens, Geoff Courtnall, and 
Neil Sheehy, ever got or still get a hard time around NHL cities over the 
infamous limo incident?

All four players were accussed but never charged or indicted.  The 
consenting age in DC is 17.  We're not talking of bunch of Mike Tyson's here.
And we're not talking a bunch of angel's either.  But, frankly I could care 
less if somebody is into group sex or whatever.

All that aside, I am interested to see if the incident has followed the 
other players like it has Ciccarelli.  I know the organist at MSG has been 
known to play "I Saw Her Standing There," (which starts "She was just 17")
by the Beatles when Dino is on the ice for a faceoff.

Warren

PS What about Doug Gilmour?  Anybody know to what extent his babysitter's 
charge followed/follows him around?
From: saseph@hal.unx.sas.com (Ed Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Sharks Rumor Mill
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:59:31 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: saseph@hal.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 893

In article <kuja2cINNtr@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, gak@gakbox.Corp.Sun.COM (Richard Stueven) writes:
>I had the pleasure of watching Saturday's KC Blades game with Sharks GM
>Jack Ferreira.  Oddly enough, our conversation turned to hockey, and
>here are a few of the things he had to say:
>
>    - Link Gaetz is still in the ICU, and he will probably require plastic
>      surgery to repair the damage done to his face.
>
Forgive me if I've missed or forgotten something obvious, but what
happend to Gaetz that got him so badly damaged?  The last I remember
hearing about him was when he started that fight after the end of the Pens
game.  Was he in an auto accident?
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From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Hockey money from Canadian TV
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:39:05 GMT
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.


In article <MduF4EK00WAuACeXxv@andrew.cmu.edu> Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Does the NHL get any revenue from Canadian TV? If not, I think the NHL
>should attempt  to get more money from them considering hockey is the
>equivalent of football and baseball  put together for Canada.

Hey, what a great idea. How many Canadian dollars do you want? There's
the blue ones and the green ones and the orange ones and the red
ones...

George
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From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: 84-game season?
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:01:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.11288
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

I can't believe this idea is even being considered, let alone accepted by both
management and players.
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From: king_p@offa.cs.odu.edu (Paul King)
Subject: The admirals!!!
Organization: Old Dominion University Dept. of CS, Norfolk VA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:15:26 GMT

     

    So why hasn't anyone here mentioned the fact that the admirals
are absoloutly kicking some butt? What was last nights final score?
I missed the last five minits of the game walking from the student
union (where they have a tv, but which closed on me) to my place,
and all I heard on the radio was that the admirals won.

 My question is, does anyone have all those fun stats for
the admirals? Please e-mail 'em to me.





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           Go Admirals!
and       -Hiss-  richmonD.
From: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: More on the screwing of the Badgers...
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:31:17 GMT
Reply-To: mikem@beanpot.ma30.bull.com (Mike Machnik)
Organization: Bull Worldwide Information Systems

In article <=84t75b@rpi.edu>, billoj@aix.rpi.edu (Jeremy Louis Billones)
writes:
|>I was there, live.  I had seen both semifinal games live, too.
|>I thought Wisconsin was a scrappy team with a lot of class.
|>
|>I was wrong.  They lost, and they deserved to lose because they
|>fell apart when things didn't go their way.

Right.  I understand the reason for the team being upset.  But that does not
excuse physical abuse of the officials, and I am expecting harsh penalties
to be served.  Shawn Walsh and Jack Parker got one-game suspensions a
couple of years ago for abuse of the officials, and they were only coaches
and their actions weren't anywhere near as bad.  The officials in this game
were in severe danger, had to rush off the ice at the final buzzer with
security the only thing preventing them from being chased by players, and then
they had to be escorted from the arena.  There is no way that can be justified,
which is what will appear to be happening if Wisconsin is not hit with some
sort of penalty.

Fortunately, the investigation is to be done by the ice hockey committee
itself and not the NC$$ (wasn't that tv commercial hilarious?  "We are the 
NC$$"...bull...only if you play football or basketball), and so I expect it 
will be done fairly.

|>The *only* time when I wondered about the officiating was when the
|>ref didn't wash out the delayed penalty when the goal was scored.
|>There must be an NCAA rule I don't know about.

This was called correctly according to Rule 4, Section 2d.  It may differ
from the NHL.
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From: nmcglynn@buffalo.axion.bt.co.uk (Neil A. McGlynn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: British Playoffs : Week 2 Results
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:13:51 GMT
Reply-To: nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Labs
Organisation: BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH UK


Championship Group A                   Championship Group B
--------------------                   --------------------

Peterborough 8-5 Murrayfield            Cardiff 9-2  Whitley Bay
      Durham 5-4 Murrayfield         Nottingham 9-6  Billingham
  Humberside 6-6 Peterborough        Billingham 2-13 Cardiff

Peterborough 4 2 2 0 29 19 6            Cardiff 3 2 0 1 27 11 4
Durham Wasps 2 1 1 0 10  9 3         Nottingham 2 2 0 0 16 11 4
  Humberside 3 0 2 1 14 21 2        Whitley Bay 2 1 0 1 10 14 2
 Murrayfield 3 0 1 2 14 17 1         Billingham 3 0 0 3 13 30 0


Promotion Group A                      Promotion Group B
-----------------                      -----------------

  Swindon 11-6 Slough Jets              Telford 13-10 Fife Flyers
Bracknell  6-2 Basingstoke          Ayr Raiders  7-2  Romford
                                        Romford  6-12 Fife Flyers

  Bracknell 3 3 0 0 14  5 6        Fife Flyers  3 2 0 1 30 24 4
    Swindon 3 1 0 2 21 19 2        Ayr Raiders  2 1 0 1 12 10 2
Slough Jets 3 1 0 2 14 19 2            Telford  2 1 0 1 18 20 2
Basingstoke 3 1 0 2 15 21 2            Romford  3 1 0 2 18 24 2


Winners and Runners-up in Championship Group A and B qualify for Finals
at Wembley Arena on 24/25/26 April. Winners of Promotion Groups A and B
will play in Premier League next season. Teams play all the other teams
in their groups twice (one game at home and one game away).


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From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 4/1
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:44:01 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

gomer@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) writes:

> I don't even know why he bothered to cover up.   Ulf hasn't come close 
> to winning a fight since he got here.

So as to get a 2/elbowing, and not a 5/fighting like Ulf.  It worked, if I
recall.
 
> [...](lots of other verbiage removed)
> >
> Feel like continuing this?  Let's take it to e-mail.
 
That "other verbiage" you chose to ignore, rather than respond to, was a
series of clear and irrefutable examples demonstrating why your "All Flyers
fans have no right to complain about violence" theory is about as 
intelligent and logical as locking up all blacks because Willie Horton 
committed a crime.
 
What you should do, Rick, is apologize for bad-mouthing Flyers fans with
your misguided generalization.  You screwed up.  Admit it, and move on.

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