From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Cosgrove Fantasyland (Was: Unnecessary hostility in talk.rape)
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Aug25.230049.9693@uoft02.utoledo.edu>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:14:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.230049.9693@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

<Ataylor--said I was clling rape victims stupid. After repeatedly getting tired
<of that charge, I challenged that person to point out where it happened. After
<lots of false made up quottes by that person, things turned sour.<

	Like this one?

	Shall I repost the entire article, Cosgrove?



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From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Critisizing the victim?
Date: 5 Aug 92 11:52:54 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

[text deleted to save space, but I have the original post]

If the man walking down the street with the bulging cash was stupid, 
the woman in the bad situation she should know to avoid is also
stupid. Yes or no, your opinion?

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Pretty clear; a woman who is raped "in a bad situation she should
know to avoid is also stupid".

Well, Cosgrove?

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From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: talk.rape
Subject: Re: Critisizing the victim?
Date: 5 Aug 92 12:17:56 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Aug5.021755.10127@news.cs.indiana.edu>, Amy Young Leith <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Jul28.074010.8993@uoft02.utoledo.edu> dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

[text deleted to save space, I have the original posting.]

His comments were not politically correct because they were not entirely
sypathetic to the rape victim, and dared to depict that maybe some of them were
stupid in what they did and, while not wanting to be raped, sure invited it.

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	"some of them were stupid...and...invited it [rape]".

	Cosgrove has posted that women invite rape, yes or no?


	There's nothing made up, it's all from
	Darrell M. Crosgrove.


<In each of these situations, I did NOT initiate combat. I was posting
<my opinions when someone else came along and started to dig into me. 

	Since your opinion was and, so far as I can tell, still
	*is* that survivors of rape are "stupid"......

<And, I am not
< yet a lawyer, but I am in training to be one, true. 

	Odd, didn't Cosgrove just claim to be an attorney
	in a previous post?

<However, should I be gentle
<when someone comes along and tries to show how hot they are?

<To make an analogy--you shouldn't go into a bar and pick a fight with someone.
<They might be golden gloves and can hurt you real bad real quick.

	Cosgrove is fond of analogizing net.argument as combat.

	I've asked Cosgrove before if he calls people who disagree
	with him "idiots" to their face, or only over the net.

	He ducked that question.

	I've asked Cosgrove if he is as combattive in real life
	as he is on the net.

	He ducked that question, too.

	Do "tough guys" always duck questions?


<   In the most recent skirmish, I posted the following:<

<   ________________________
<   From: dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu, University of Toledo, Computer Services
<   Date: 21 Aug 92 08:53:29 EST

<   Regarding the debate over mace v. home brews, why not just get a
<   49 cent trial sie of WD-40 or similar product and carry that?

<   It's the same size as a mace canister, and is more effective.


	And I asked Cosgrove to support this assertion. 

	I wonder if he ever will, or whether he'll just
	keep on ducking?

	Oh, and someone should notify Smith and Wesson that
	Cosgrove is referring to their trademarked product,
	Mace(tm) as "mace".

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