HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cs482141@umbc8.umbc.edu (David Sims)
Subject: TI SYSTEM FOR SALE
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 05:39:38 GMT

Well folks, I gotta get rid of the system now.  The house is
completing conversion to Amiga.  I hate to see it go, but don't have
enough time to do it justice.

  SYSTEM:

2 B&W consoles.  Good condition
Extra Power Supplies, and Keyboards
Speech Module
PE Box, with the usual Ser and Par ports
  32k memory (man, I remember when that was a bunch!)
  1 drive sssd
Various cables
1 RF modulator
Extended Basic
Disk manager
TI Writer
TONS of Shareware / PD disks (about 200, I think)
Several other carts...mostly kid stuff

This equipment is all in good condition.  I never really got to use it
as much as I wanted, due to new rugrat, fishing, beaching, etc...

Now for the price...

I'd like to get $100 plus shipping.  I am open to offers, since I 
need to get rid of this equipment.  I'm also open to
trades... Hard or Floppy drives, monitors,
scuba gear, girlfriends, etc....

Please give this system a good home.


  David Sims

  email  cs482141@umbc8.umbc.edu
         cs482141@umbc5.umbc.edu

  
  410-267-6352
  









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From: jhhardy@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (J. Hardy)
Subject: Re: TI Professional - sys err 1024
Keywords: professional error
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:44:48 GMT

In <72@interex.UUCP> sullivan@interex.UUCP (John Sullivan) writes:


>I was forwarded a call today from TI, probably by mistake, but I'm
>not one to refuse a call just because I don't know what the caller
>is talking about!

>The caller just purchased a TI Professional, with manuals.  Each time
>he tries to execute one of his programs, he gets system error 1024.
>The diagnostics do not report any errors.  The programs are from a
>Tandy.

The problem is that the TI is not fully IBM compatible.  1024 is the
error you get when you run programs that require full compatibility.
The user will need to run some form of emulation.  As I recall there
was a minimal emulator packaged with some of the TI-DOS versions.  There
are sseveral other better ones available via a good users group.  I recommend
the user join such a group.  THe only one I'm certain of is located in Santa
Clara valley California.  If needed I could probably hunt up a contact number 
for them.

>I work with the HP user group and have never seen a TI computer.  HP
>did just buy TI's UNIX division, but why won't they take calls on DOS,
>which is completely beside the point of this article.  If you can
>help the poor caller, either followup here, or e-mail me.

>Thanks.

>john sullivan
>interex
>sullivan@interex.uucp
>408/738-4848

Good Luck!

jim hardy
jhhardy@indiana.edu
From: andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Andrew webster)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
Subject: address for L.L. CONNER
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 05:14:44 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Can someone give me the address for L.L. Conner, the TI dealer?

I hear he sells the German Pascal package that needs no p-code card to 
run. Am I right??

Andrew webster              andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
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From: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: TI Professional - sys err 1024
Reply-To: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:40:02 GMT

In article <72@interex.UUCP>, sullivan@interex.UUCP (John Sullivan) writes:
>
>
>The caller just purchased a TI Professional, with manuals.  Each time
>he tries to execute one of his programs, he gets system error 1024.
>The diagnostics do not report any errors.  The programs are from a
>Tandy.
>
>john sullivan
The Tandy MS-DOS software and the TI Professional MS-DOS
software are "apples and oranges"...  The poor person may
not have realized that, while the TI PC is an MS-DOS machine,
it is NOT IBM compatible, and only specially-designed software
will run on it.  Sort of like the DEC Rainbow and the Zenith
MS-DOS machines of that time.
One thing to warn him- it might not be a good idea to upgrade
this to an IBM compatible, tho` I think it is possible.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: "gary bowser" <gary.bowser@canrem.com>
Subject: reply to 9918s wanted
Reply-To: "gary bowser" <gary.bowser@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:02:55 EST

I have no problem in getting TMS9918 from local suppliers here in
Toronto. We (OPA) also have number of used 9918's pulled from TI
consoles, that had TIMs installed in them.

Prices for new TMS9918 is $20 can. and or our used ones (working) is
$12 can.

If you order by mail add $4.50 for S&H in within North America, or $7.50
if overseas.

Our address is:

O.P.A.
432 Jarvis St. #501
Toronto, Ont.
Canada
M4Y-2H3

Phone: (416)963-8484 (8am to 11pm EST)

P.S. Recently TI renumbered alot of old 9900 line of components, and
the TMS9918 is now the 9118, but they have also updated the DRAM
interface, I can send pin-outs and specs on the new 9118 chip if needed,
but our supplier does still have the original 9918 chip.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
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From: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: Need help from TI tech wiz kids!
Reply-To: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:48:39 GMT

In article <aHg8TB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
(Andrew webster) writes:
>- But the MBP card also has the A/D/C port in addition to the 
>clock...
>____________________________________________________________
>
>I am not knowing of this!!!
>Will you explain this A/D/C port in detail...
>
>Thank you...
>
>Andrew webster              andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

The MBP card has National Semiconductor ADC 0809, an 8-bit data acquisition
IC, with 8-channel multiplexer.  It is an Analog-to-Digital converter,
and accepts analog (i.e., voltages from devices such as thermometers,
detectors, sensors etc.) input through a 16-pin port at the back.
It translates the analog into digital data, usabale on a computer.
This is a potentially great device, unfortunately this potential has never
been realized.

The MBP card has an interesting history.  It stared, I think, as a UG project
with a real-time clock only
somewhere in NJ, contributed to PD.  MBP in Wichita, KS added the A/D/C
and distributed the card in kit form starting around 1984.  It was a very
welcome tool for BBS's since it had a real time clock (as opposed to a
software clock that looses time during disk access).  Later the card was re-
designed (still same components but a more professional PC Board and
a coin battery instead of two regular 1.5V batteries) and distributed
starting 1986 by Disk Only Software (I think...).  The facts and dates above
may be wrong as this is produced from memory.  Jesse Slicer is from that
area (KS) and may know better.

Bud Mills nowadays sells this MBP clock only for $20 as an option on the
P-GRAM card (which is a GROM emulator in RAM, like the GRAM Kracker, only
it lives inside the PEBox).  But for that one has to buy the P-GRAM card
as well.

In case anybody out there is or was using the A/D/C port, I would be VERY
interested to learn about it.
From: 2fubclick@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Jesse Slicer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
Subject: MBP Clock Card
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:50:30 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Indeed, Mr. Cohen, the MBP clock card has the history which you have told.  I
bought mine from a TI sysop back in 1985 for $15.  Which, soon after, put it
in charge of my BBS and I have a small program  copies its time to the MYARC
HDFC's clock at powerup.  The latest I have heard on it is that Disk Only
Software sold manufacturing and distribution rights to Bud Mills and he's now
producing it.  I don't use the ADC on the card, but I keep having pipe dreams
of using it as a digital sound recorder.  Maybe someday when the TI community
returns to a good level of ethos, I'll look more into it.
-- 

Jesse C. Slicer
University of Kansas Computer Science
Internet: 2FUBClick@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Bitnet: 2FUBClick@bitnet.ukanvax

"A mind is a wonderful thing to waste!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Subject: Need info: Myarc MPES 50
Reply-To: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:18:29 GMT

I am looking for any information and experience regarding the Myarc
MPES (Micro PE System).  Note that this is NOT the better-know CorComp
MES.  The Myarc machine has/had the drive(s) built in.

Anybody has experience?  Tech info?  Can anybody tell me a what period this
was sold?  Where and when was it advertised?

Thanks.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Subject: Wanted copy of WordWriter manual
Reply-To: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:51:37 GMT

Does somebody have the manual for the WordWriter cartridge?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks.

Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:43:04 -0500 
From: "Gabriel D. Underwood" <gabe+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: TI-81 and ilk

Is there a group for TI programmable calculators, i.e., the TI-81?
Just wondering what others have done with it.

Reply via mail, please.


-------------------------------------------------------------
"Avoid cliches like the plague" - Woody Allen
Gabriel Underwood 
Internet: gabe+@cmu.edu	
NeXTmail: underwoo@magnesium.club.cc.cmu.edu
BITnet:   gu02+%andrew.cmu.edu@CARNEGIE

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Subject: Need details on DatabioTics Paraprint+
Reply-To: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:50:05 GMT

Does anybody have details an this little unit?

Thanks!
Joseph

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: Need help from TI tech wiz kids!
Reply-To: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:28:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.024250.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> 
>I suppose the person you refer to is none other than Lee Bendick.  I think
>he told me at Chicago that he just hooked them to the console with a Y-cable
>plugged into the sideport.
> 
>Jeff White      jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu

I tried just that last night.  Disk access was VERY slow, supposedly due to
necessity of repeated tries.  Loading programs was difficult at best,
and resulted in most cases in errors during runs.

I am convinced that the extension cable was responsible.  Did anybody else have
troubles while using expansion port extension cable (Y or single)?
Seems like there is a good reason for the heavy "firehose" that TI built...

Any input on this would be greatly appreciated.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: address for L.L. CONNER
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:52:32 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Yes, Larry Conner does sell Turbo Pasc'99, and it does not require the P-code
card.  Here are his address and phone numbers:
  
  L.L. Conner Enterprises
  1521 Ferry St.
  Lafayette, IN  47901
  phone: 317-742-8146
  fax:   317-423-4876
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: TMS 9918A Video Display Processor
Reply-To: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:13:49 GMT

In article <9211132205.AA24618@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil>, nygren@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil writes:
>	I need a source for some TMS 9918A Video Display Processor integrated
>circuits. (I believe this is the one used in the TI-99/4A.) I have tried
>numerous distributors, TI, companies that deal in discontinued IC's (Landsdale,
>Rochester Electronics etc.) to no avail. Can anyone help me out in a quest
>for these chips? Please respond by e-mail in addition to your posting to
>this group. I will summarize and repost any interesting tidbits.
>
>	Thanks ............ Dan Nygren
>	(nygren@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil)

L.L. Conner enterprises (a TI dealer) has them.  Last catalog I have lists them
for $15 each.  But for that price I'd GLADLY sell you a complete TI-99/4A
console, including the 9918A (which is socketed and can be removed easily)
and all the rest...

If you spend that much money, I hope you are aware that the 9918A needs a
very large heat sink, or else it will fry (I have a story about that, too,
for another story time :-)
From: sullivan@interex.UUCP (John Sullivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
Subject: TI Professional - sys err 1024
Summary: what causes error 1024
Keywords: professional error
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:36:36 GMT
Reply-To: sullivan@interex. (John Sullivan (CSL/MPE))
Organization: INTEREX Sunnyvale, CA.


I was forwarded a call today from TI, probably by mistake, but I'm
not one to refuse a call just because I don't know what the caller
is talking about!

The caller just purchased a TI Professional, with manuals.  Each time
he tries to execute one of his programs, he gets system error 1024.
The diagnostics do not report any errors.  The programs are from a
Tandy.

I work with the HP user group and have never seen a TI computer.  HP
did just buy TI's UNIX division, but why won't they take calls on DOS,
which is completely beside the point of this article.  If you can
help the poor caller, either followup here, or e-mail me.

Thanks.

john sullivan
interex
sullivan@interex.uucp
408/738-4848
From: andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Andrew webster)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
Subject: F'Web version 5.00
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:11:29 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Does anyone know if version 5 or more of Funnel web is out yet. I know it 
was in beta testing a while back. 

Andrew webster              andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: MIDI MASTER 99 VERSION 3.00
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:43:57 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <V9BouB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Andrew webster) writes:
> Does anyone know if Midi Master 99 version 3 is out yet?
> DDoes anyone know if Western Horizon tech. SCSI controller is out yet?
> Does anyone know if Western Horizon Tech. 4/A Memex memory card is out 
> yet?
  
The WHT SCSI host adaptor is out, but without a DSR right now.  Several of the
units have sold in spite of the lack of a SCSI DSR.  I am the person who has
been drafted to write the SCSI DSR, and it will be done as soon as possible.
The WHT 4A Memex card should be in production before the end of the year.  It
will have a DSR, though programmers could use the memory on the card without
the DSR.  Again, I've been chosen to write its DSR.  I was involved in the
design of both the SCSI and 4A Memex, and several of the hardware design
decisions were based on my knowledge of how to best implement software.  Few
companies who have produced hardware for the TI seem to have looked at it from
a software perspective.  Software development is faster when the hardware is
designed to take advantage of the the best hardware- and software-interfacing
techniques.
 
Another product released through WHT is the Turbo Video PAL for the Geneve.
This cuts video wait states, which speeds graphic access.  Programs that are
constantly doing graphics will run noticably faster.  Of course, the speed
improvement is directly related to the amount of time an application spends
communicating with the video display processor.  I designed the Turbo Video
PAL.
 
As for MIDI Master 99, I think version 3.0g (for the Geneve) is ready.  I am
not sure, though.
 
Jeff White     jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: Need info: Myarc MPES 50
Reply-To: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:14:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.013046.10310@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO) writes:
>What about the _new_ PE boxes?  You know the ones from Rave and others that
>look like clone cases...  Any info on those?  
> 
>   ____
>    / o n y.
Yes, Rave is selling them, there are 2 models.
It is probably nice to have, but I have a hard time figuring out
who would pay HUNDREDS of $$$ for an empty PEBox, AT style or not,
when you can get an empty TI original box for $35, or $85-$100
for a "loaded" box.
One of the main attractions is I think the Rave box will house
the 99/4A motherboard as well (or am I dreaming here?).

The rave box and the mini expansion systems all made sense 8 years
ago, but nowadays there is ample supply, and the TI boxes are
built like tanks!

*****************************************************************
Anybody interested in a PEBox?  With or without cards/disk drive?
Please e-mail me or call (804) 293-8973.
Thanks.
*******************************************************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: boone@a.cs.okstate.edu (Barry E. Boone)
Subject: 9900's for sale
Followup-To: boone@a.cs.okstate.edu 
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 02:42:44 GMT

I have a small number of TMS9900's for sale.  These are the version
that is white and ceramic with gold pins.  All have been verified to
be working, and none have been desoldered or anything.

I am asking $10 each, or make me an offer if you want several.

If you are overseas, we will have to make price arrangements for
shipping.

Other IC's that I have (if interested) include:

2 TMS9927's
1 TMS9981
1 TMS9911
1 TMS9903 (ceramic/gold pins... this one rated at 4 MHz)

I am not able to guarantee that the above work though (as I have not
tried them).

Barry


-- 
Barry Boone -- boone@a.cs.okstate.edu

Gravity: It's not just a good idea, it's the law.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Subject: Looking to trade TI-99/4A equipment
Reply-To: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:12:55 GMT

If you have some interesting TI-99/4A items (software, hardware, ???ware)
you are not using, and would like to trade it for other TI items,
please let me know.
I have a long list of software, hardware, cartridges, books, magazines,
for the TI-99/4A for trade.
I would be willing to give you a lot of stuff if you have got something
I am interested in.
The items are also available for sale, in case you are intrested.
Please e-mail to my account,  "COHEN@GOMEZ.PHYS.VIRGINIA.EDU" if you wish
to see the complete list.

Thanks!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: MIDI MASTER 99 VERSION 3.00
Reply-To: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:37:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.024357.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <V9BouB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Andrew webster) writes:
>  
>The WHT SCSI host adaptor is out, but without a DSR right now.  Several of the
>units have sold in spite of the lack of a SCSI DSR.  I am the person who has

Why is there no MFM host adapter?  One can buy 8-bit MFM hard (& floppy)
controllers for the IBM PC for next to nothing now, and it would be great
if we could use those instead of a flaky Myarc HFDC.  And, as far as I understand,
it is much easier to implelement than the SCSI.
I know the TRS-80 has such a host adapter.

>the DSR.  Again, I've been chosen to write its DSR.  I was involved in the
>design of both the SCSI and 4A Memex, and several of the hardware design

Would somebody tell us the difference (from the end-user point of view) between
the 4A Memex and the Asgard AMS/AEMS?  Would it be possible to design
software that would run concurrently on both?  Otherwise it's going to be
a mess...   I suppose we all understand that the last thing we need now is a
further division of the shrinking user base into further segments that
cannot exchange data and files with each other, so it would be best if Asgard,
WHT and OPA could coordinate their efforts in such a direction.  What is the
current situation?

Last but not least, I am amazed (and glad) that all this effort is still going
on.  I would have kept my TI-99/4A anyway, and it is really nice that you,
and others like you, are willing to put time and effort to further develop it.
Same goes to the Asgard team.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
From: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: Networking
Reply-To: cohen@GOMEZ.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:09:32 GMT

In article <Hog8TB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Andrew webster) writes:
>__________________________________________________________________
>
>The best thing to do is ask Texas Instruments directly about this network 
>of TI-99's. And by the way, Joe, who is "THEY"???
>
>Andrew webster              andy-w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

HeHeHe...  Nothing personal, Andy, it not you, it TI...  Let me regain my
breath...  HeHeHe...  Calling TI...

There are about 250 TI-99/8 units and hundreds (maybe thousands) TI-99/2's,
plus many accessories such as HexBus disk drive, Hex bus adapters,
rare cards for the PEBox...  many of them have official TI product numbers
and even appeared in the last price list released by TI in 1983 prior
to closing the shop.  Calling TI about any of these produces the following
result-  TI denies they were ever made, knows nothing about them, needless
to say it will neither fix nor service them.

The network card was never mentioned anywhere, never appeared in any TI
list.  Even if it does exist, I'll bet that the respose from TI would be
similar.

(Just recalled another fact- when Ralph Fowler, author of TIBBS -- the first
BBS program to run on a TI-99/4A -- called TI to consult them while writing
the software, they told him that it cannot be done.  Since then we got
more than one excellent BBS programs (I know of at least three good ones).
TI built an excellent machine but crippled it on purpose.  It was only
the market pressure that forced them to release EDT/ASM, then TI-Writer,
and other good software.  And the TI-99/4A became a really good machine only
after TI left the market and the users forced the architecture open.
If it depended on TI we would still be using TI-BASIC, TI-LOGO,
and Disk Manager 2.

(Last piece of trivia before I quit--  as I recall, it was somebody from
the USER community that designed the PEBox and convinced TI to go for it,
replacing the old side car peripherlas.  At that moment we lost forever to
have the longest computer system on the planet :-)
From: ti6hk@ap04.rz.tu-harburg.de (Henry Koplien - 3358 )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ti
Subject: PC-100A
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:29:15 GMT
Organization: none
Originator: ti6hk@ap04.cip3a.tu-harburg.de

Hi!

Has anybody knowledge about the PC-100A? It's a thermoprinter sold for the
TI 59. I like to use the printer and the TI 59. I have a idea to write a 
TI 59-emulator on the TI 99/4A. I have some programs which I will not rewrite.
In the other case I like to use the dusty printer. So, if anybody may solve my
Pin-Out problem, thanks....

Henry

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