From: scst91@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. R.M. Wood)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf
Subject: Re: Red Dwarf Movie, etc.
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:26:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <2311.1103.uupcb@satalink.com>, joe.siegler@satalink.com (Joe Siegler) writes:
> To: scst91@csc.liv.ac.uk
> Organization: Doesn't anyone have any intelligence anymore? <sigh>
>  
> MR|DANGER - MAJOR REMEDIAL ZONE AHEAD!  (and I don't mean myself).
> 
> Thank you for the flame.

No probs, here's some more...


> MR|I think they said that the character Holly would be written out of
>   |the shows.  That doesn't meant that they would actually have to get
>   |rid of the computer on the ship - just that the character will not
>   |take an active role in the episodes. I assume that Holly will
>   |probably be in the background somewhere still running things but
>   |not saying much (if anything).
> 
> Well, if there is no actor signed to play Holly, it would mean to me 
> that the character will be written out, hence my comment that it will 
> be glossed over.  I don't think that they can maintain any semblance 
> of continuity by having the ship run, and then not have a Holly there.

Weren't you the guy who was going on about the fact that without Holly,
nothing on the ship would work (like on the episode where they use
Kryten as a battering ram - White Hole?), and then you said that you
couldn't see how they could write Holly out of the series without this
state of affairs happening again.  That is what you said would be
'glossed over' - the fact that without Holly, nothing should work - not
the fact that the character will be written out without an explanation.

There would be no terrible continuity loss - Holly will be there running
things, you just won't see her stupid face.  Actually, looking at my
original comment, I think it's crystal clear.  I think you must have some
kind of problem understanding English.


> MR|Doh!!!  Terry Fuckwitt?  "The Crimson Short One" refers to the ship
>   |Red Dwarf, not to Holly at all.  What are you thinking of?
> 
> Read my comment.  I realize that "Crimson Short One" means Red Dwarf.  
> However, to me the Ship Red Dwarf and Holly are one in the same.   
> That is why I referred to it as that.

They're NOT the same thing at all.
(the following section has been simplified in order to allow Joe Siegler
 to understand it...)

FACTS :
Red Dwarf is a space ship.
Holly is the computer who controls most of the devices on board Red Dwarf.
The Hologram Generation equipment is a device on board the Red Dwarf.
Holly controls the Hologram Generation equipment.
Holly and the Hologram Generation equipment are PARTS of Red Dwarf.

THINGS THAT JOE SIEGLER THINKS ARE FACTS :
Holly and Red Dwarf are one and the same.
Holly and the Hologram Generation equipment are one and the same.
He was being really clever in replying to my flame.
His IQ is greater than 100.

When Rimmer said "The Crimson Short One" the literal translation was
"The Red Dwarf", but he was actually referring to Red Dwarf's Hologram
Generation equipment, NOT to Holly.  They are NOT the same!!!
(see above)

 
> > Unless they plan to use Queeg.  :)     However, I agree, w/o Holly
> 
> MR|Don't bother - why don't you just go and sit in the garden with the
>   |other cabbages?  Queeg was a character created by Holly as a joke to
>   |play on the others.  He never actually existed!  Please watch more
>   |carefully next time or else get your Mum to explain it to you.  If,
>   |however, you've only seen each episode once or twice I might let you
>   |off.
> 
> Do you see that :) there?  It's a smile face.  Means a joke.  Means I 
> know what the fuck I'm talking about pal.   BTW, I'm 28, and I've been 
> watching Red Dwarf for about 4 years now, since it was first aired in 
> the US.   I *KNOW* what I'm talking about, do you?   The brilliance of 
> Red Dwarf is that there is much more going on than what you see on the 
> surface, which is something you don't seem able to comprehend.

Wooo, calm down!

I did hesitate before flaming the last bit of your original letter, as
I really couldn't imagine how anyone could be stupid enough to think
Queeg was real.  Okay, so I made the wrong choice.  Looking at the
other two comments you wrote though, it is easy to see how someone
could mistake you for being brain dead and hence capable of writing
the Queeg comment seriously.
The thing is, I haven't been hanging round these boards
for as long a some people, and I don't know about some things - like
that smile face, for instance.  In fact, I don't remember even noticing
it.  Having said that, I obviously don't have the advantages you have in
that I haven't got a 90 degree bend in my neck so that my head lolls
over to the left, making it easy to recognise crap computer geek jokes
like that smile face.  However, I shall endevour to read all your future
postings simulating this position, just so as I can recognise any of
your little jokes (should there be any).  Perhaps you could highlight
them in a more obvious way, or even try and make them funny so that
anyone reading your stuff will know when they've come across one.

Writing stuff like "I *KNOW* what I'm talking about" in super-emphasized
characters doesn't make it true if it isn't.  Stating the fact that
you're 28 doesn't help matters much either, as there are just as many
stupid 28 year-olds as there are stupid people my age - intelligence
doesn't increase with age or anything.
You might have been watching RD for 4 years now, but I have them all on
tape, and know them pretty well too.


> The brilliance of Red Dwarf is that there is much more going on than
> what you see on the surface, which is something you don't seem able
> to comprehend.

Perhaps you'd like to write and me and tell me EXACTLY what you think I'm
too stupid to understand - you know, one of those things that are going
on underneath the surface which only truly intelligent individuals like
yourself can comprehend, whilst the rest of us lowly mortals are left to
giggle at the crude bits and simple put-downs lines.


> Joe
> ---
> . 1st 1.02b #1051s . Athiests have no one to talk to at orgasm.

Neither does Joe Siegler...


No hard feelings eh, mate?  :)



Bobby.
(the Hyper-Intelligent Pan-Dimensional Being who never uses quotes)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.red-dwarf