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From: jeff_marrs@msmgate.mrg.uswest.com (Jeff Marrs)
Subject: Med School Rating Info/Listserv?
XXXDate: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:08:48 GMT
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Date: 22 Jan 93 01:19:15 GMT


I am currently in the process of applying to medical school.  I have
completed my applications and have gone on some interviews.  Now I have
more interview invitations than I can afford and will hopefully receive
multiple acceptances.  (I have one now.)

I am finding it somewhat difficult to narrow my list of preferred schools
down further than I have already.  The only information I have to go on
is a short review from U S NEWS & World Reports which is a couple of
years old.  I am wondering if there are more current and comprehensive
ratings for medical schools which include a variety of parameters in the
analysis.  I so, where might I find them?

Also, a fellow interviewer at one school mentioned the existence of a
listserv (sp?) for medical schools.  If anyone knows of its existence,
please tell me how to subscribe.  (I have never subscribed to such a
service and don't really understand how.)

Thanks in advance for any and all information.

Please respond either by EMail or News Posts (your preference).

Jeff Marrs

Pretend you see a standard disclaimer here:
From: jsmith@unixg.ubc.ca (JR Smith)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Injectable Birth Control
Date: 21 Jan 93 07:38:15 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
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In <1993Jan20.071830.636@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:

>In <jsmith.727500563@unixg.ubc.ca> jsmith@unixg.ubc.ca writes:

>> prevent implantation. DES is a potent estrogen. The DES story is an
>> interesting but tragic one. The drug was given to 3 million plus women
>> in the US fromjdrmd about 1955-1972 as treatment for nausea in pregnancy and
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Actually, I thought that was the OTHER notorious mutagen of the 60's,
>thalidomide.  I was under the impression that DES was given in the 50's and
>60's allegedly (ironically enough) as a prophylactic against miscarriage.

Sorry, your right (confusing my teratogens). DES therapy was primarily used
as therapy for pregnancy wastage. Although it was almost viewed as a magic bullet and used for other 'indications' as well including nausea. Thalidomide was
used as an anti-nausea agent.

Also thanks for the clarification on the cross posting on alt.psychoactives


Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.med
From: wentzell@ace.acadiau.ca (LEEANN WENTZELL)
Subject: Re: Canadian healthcare system
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:55:38 GMT

First, I think that some people in places such as Victoria and Regina, to 
name just two, would be very upset to hear that "there are only four cities 
west of the Great Lakes in Canada." This just promotes the image of Canada 
as a great wasteland of hicks, a very common view "south of the border."

Second, I think that for the vast majority of Canadians, the healthcare 
system is completely adequate. It is simple to see a doctor at anytime of 
the day or night, and treatment is prompt. I know of noone who experienced 
delays in getting much-needed procedures, although things like elective 
surgery do usually take time. CAT-scans and MRI's are widely available (even 
on "the rock" - Newfoundland), and there are very few procedures for which 
one must travel to the States (mostly experimental).

I do agree that, without the great wealth of resources in the States, Canada 
would not be able to maintain its current system. However I also know that 
in a border town in New Brunswick it was found that, after issuing new 
health cards numbers, a large portion of the so-called residents of the town 
were actually Americans using false addresses. We must be doing something 
right :-) !

Lee Ann Wentzell                          "...foodless toads in 
Biology Department                        voluptuous chambers panting
Acadia University                         crawled..."
Wolfville, NS, CAN              P. B. Shelley - Prometheus Unbound
Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.med
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Canadian healthcare system
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:37:50 GMT

As a long-time user of the Canadian health-care system, I think I'll
add my $.02

In article <C1FC0p.6EM@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.130426.750@fuug.fi> an4140@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>>Surely there must be another side to this argument.  Are there no
>>shortcomings to the Canadian system?   And even if that were so, is
>>it adaptable to the US?  
>
>There are several things wrong with it, and it is not all that much 
>cheaper than the cost in the US.  

The per capita cost is somewhat cheaper while providing universal coverage.
This is supposed to rebut the idea that it would be too expensive to provide
universal coverage.

>One generally agreed problem is that
>many "standard" procedures are not done in Canada, and while the Canadian
>plan often picks up the costs, it does not pay the travel, and it does
>not help defray the development costs, which US care does.  

What "standard" procedures did you have in mind?  Organ transplantation?
Assorted cancer therapies?  Artificial heart?  All of these are done in
Canada.  Bear in mind that the population is 1/10 that of the US--obviously
a larger population can support more diversity of expertise.

>For another,
>one must find a primary care physician, and all else must be referred
>through that doctor; I believe that changing such is difficult.  

Most (but not all) Canadians have a GP for primary care.  Most specialists
do not accept new patients without referral from another physician.  This
is completely the choice of the specialists, and has nothing to do with 
government regulations.  After the first visit, the patient can deal directly
with the specialist (who generally reports back to the GP).  I have never
heard of anyone having difficulty changing to a different GP (unless the
one they wanted was not accepting new patients).  There are also walk-in
clinics available most places.

>The biggest problem is that it is run by government bureaucrats, who
>SO FAR have not been too bad.  "To err is human; to foul things up
>takes a computer; to really make a mess of things takes a government."

I certainly can't disagree with the potential for government messing things
up.  Maybe we've just been lucky so far, and the system certainly is not
perfect, but I consider myself fortunate to have access to it.

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | Occam's razor split 
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | hairs so well, I bought 
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | the whole argument.


Xref: sparky sci.med:24625 soc.culture.turkish:15191
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: sci.med,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: OSTEOGENESIS IMPERFECTA
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:38:30 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

<C43338@TRMETU.BITNET> wrote in soc.culture.turkish:
> Yakin bir dostumun kizinda "osteogenesis imperfecta" adinda bir genetik
> hastaliktan supheleniliyor.  Belirtileri kemiklerin cok kirilgan olmasi,
> boy kisaligi, gozlerde mavilik olarak biliyorum sadece.  Bu konuda bana
> detayli bilgi verebilecek kisilerden yardim istiyorum.  Ogrenmek
> istediklerim :
>  daha ayrintili olarak, belirtileri nedir, kesin teshis nasil yapilir,
>  tedavisi mumkun mu, eger olanakli ise nasil bir tedavi yontemi uygulanmakta,
>  ve bu konuda uzmanlasmis kisiler ya da saglik merkezleri nerelerdedir.
> Ismail DURGUT
> Orta Dogu Teknik Universitesi
> Petrol Muhendisligi
> Ankara

...which in English is saying that the daughter of a friend of his has got
a severe case of brittle-bone disease (osteogenesis imperfecta) and he
wants to know what treatments are available and where people or centres
specializing in it can be found.

I've seen an address on sci.med for an association devoted to this, and
also an address for a national US archive on rare diseases (which I think
covered this one) but don't have either handy.  Hence the crossposting.
Maybe someone could post them?  If either organization has an affiliate in
Turkey or otherwise closer at hand that would presumably be even better.

(I might be able to trace a British organization, but perhaps someone else
could do it quicker given that I won't have much spare time in the next few
days.  I would assume that a German contact would also be handy).

-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
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From: ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Life begins at .....
Keywords: Gestation
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:10:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24690
Reply-To: ark@alice.UUCP ()
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

In article <1993Jan22.131024.9570@bradford.ac.uk> 90397106@bradford.ac.uk (JR HAVELOCK) writes:

> On a more phiosophical note if anyone has
> any views on when life begins I would really appreciate these too.

Life begins when the kids move out and the dog dies.
-- 
				--Andrew Koenig
				  ark@europa.att.com
From: bernard@sirius.gte.com (Bernard Silver)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Rapid Onset of IBS?
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:20:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated
In-reply-to: jaa@su19a.ess.harris.com's message of 24 Jan 93 09:53:42 GMT

Your symptons as described could fit a lot of troubles, but presumably
your doctor has discarded most of them based on the examination.
Still, that won't stop me (and maybe others) chiming in with *my* disease
that in my case has similar symptoms.

Did your doctor mention IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease), the blanket
term for Crohn's Disease and Ulcerative Colitis.  Both are chronic,
but can flare acutely, sometimes being misdiagnosed for acute appendicitis
the first time.  The symptoms you describe are common in Crohn's disease
in certain sites (I get "stomach cramps" which are actually caused by
bowel obstruction.  As the loops contract to clear the blockage, other
loops get pushed up, creating pain in the area I associate with the stomach.)

But, as I said, your doctor has probably discarded this based on
examination.  (I think that good practice would require IBD be ruled
out before presenting a diagnosis of IBS, as the diseases are
superficially similar in initial symptoms, but of different
seriousness).

Good luck!
--
				Bernard Silver
				GTE Laboratories
				bsilver@gte.com
				(617) 466-2663
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel. Reasons and Prevention?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 17:36:57 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland
NNTP-Posting-Host: rome.eng.umd.edu

Buy an adjustable wrist rest for your keyboard. I emphasize adjustable
because my wrists get tired even if the height of the support is off
by only 1/4 inch, but when I have it set perfect, my wrists never get tired.

The adjustable wrist rest I recommend can be purchased from Inmac
computer supplies. Their 800 number is 1-800-547-5444. The catalog
item number is H38019. The price is $19.95 in quantities of 1 to 4.

Staples Office Supply sells the same adjustable, keyboard wrist rest,
so you may want to check there, too.  It's the one that has thumb
screws at either end for adjusting height. It's made of beige plastic
with a black cushion.

I like this particular rest so much, I bought two. I use one at the
office and the other at home.
From: dfield@zeus.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field))
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Breast cancer: best journal references, please
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:56:39 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo


	Someone dear to me found a lump, had a lumpectomy, and is
headed for a mastectomy all within the span of a week. .    
	I would appreciate references to some good, up-to-date treatment
protocols, especially with regard to followup chemotherapy choices to
complement my literature search.
	Also, any references to experimental trials either published or
approaching a start would be appreciated.  Maybe we can talk to her 
doctor about getting her in a trial in addition to standard therapy, if
we learn of something promising.
	Any replies will be appreciated.  Thank you.

-- 

                                -Daniel R. Field
                                 dfield@nike.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: sci.med,talk.politics.med
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: asthma prednisone allergy
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:09:48 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <1993Jan27.152848.7114@nlm.nih.gov> brandon@caldonia.nlm.nih.gov writes:

> 5. An overall point: make sure he's using the inhalers properly. The idea is to
> get the medicine into the lungs, not spray the back of the throat. Many patients
> put the inhaler in their mouths, spray, and inhale; this wastes most of the medicine.
> (I've even seen package inserts that say to do it this way, but they're wrong.)
> Hold the inhaler about one inch in front of your wide-open mouth. Breathe out all the
> way, then take a deep breath. Fire the inhaler AS YOU ARE BREATHING IN. Hold the
> deep breath for a few seconds, then inhale. repeat once.

IMHO, good inhaler "technique" is too difficult for most kids to master,
especially if they don't take the stuff regularly, regularly, regularly.  But
now that doesn't matter.  You can get one of those AeroChamber-things to put
between the inhaler & the kid's mouth.   This works real well, but costs about
$30 (I think).  The other thing that works (& is free):  If you've ever had a
prescription for Azmacort, it comes with its own aerochamber-like device.  When
the inhaler is empty, discard the cannister, but keep the inhalation-device. 
Ventolin refills fit into it real well, & your kid can get all the med without
having to learn fussy inhaler "technique".

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen)
Subject: Re: Nicotine Withdrawal Help Needed
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:02:11 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <161@ky3b.UUCP> km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>By the way, I did experience the craving for cigarettes occasionally within the
>first couple of years of quitting. But now cigarette smoke really disgusts me,
>and I can't imagine (consciously) why I ever smoked. 

I feel much the same.  After cutting down to 3-4 cigarettes/day, I completely
stopped about 4 years ago.  This last 4th of July, I was using a cigarette
to light fireworks.  Once, without thinking about it, I put the cigarette in
my mouth, took a drag, and inhaled the smoke.  It really surprised me how I
just automatically did this.

>Based on what I have seen both as smoker, and as physician, I belive that
>nicotine is the most powerful addiction there is. Worse than heroin, no doubt.

I think this is just because smoking becomes so entwined with all the things
we do in our daily lives.  It's also very readily available and cheap (compared
to heroin).   I've also heard of people saying that it's harder to stop drinking
than it is to give up heroin, probably for the same reasons.

Dave
auwen@convex.com
From: szikopou@superior.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: ADD and Ritalin
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:58:03 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

In <1993Jan27.195151.24964@brtph560.bnr.ca> candee@brtph5.bnr.ca (Candee Ellis P885) writes:

>My 13-year-old son has just been diagnosed with ADD (Attention Deficit
>Disorder) -- or as precise as a diagnosis of this can be.  The
>next recommended step is to treat him with Ritalin.  I'd be very
>interested in anyone's experience with or knowledge about treating
>adolescents with Ritalin (short-term and long-term effects) and
>any insight to ADD and its diagnosis that you might have.  It seems
>like the diagnosis is almost a "best-guess" determination.

>Thanks,
>  Candee

Personally I'm biased to hold off on the meds ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE
DEALING WITH AN INDIVIUAL WHO IS UNDER 21 (or so).

It's difficult to repond without knowing some more details.  However
you seems skeptical of the diagnosis...was that the second
opinion...look for a third maybe.

An excellent referene is CPS (type that in at a university library
terminal under a title serach)  It stands for the Compendium of
Pharmaceutical ....something

Anyway, off hand I do know that methyl phenidate (Ritalin) does have
effects you should be concerned about. (e.g. stunted growth).  The
jury's still out on why the stuff works.  If you give ANY child a
stimulant (such as Ritalin or methylamphetamine) it will "slow, him or
her down.  Quite the opposite with adults.  If adults ingest a
stimulant (they're classed that for a reason) they get active.

I also remember reading something from a developmental psych. journal
which implicated social and emotional factors as playing a role in
ADD.  We are very quick to follow a medical model (i.e. giving drugs
to "cure an illness")  Have you thought of alternative explanations
for the behaviour? (he is 13, a rough time for any young man--trust
me!)

Anyway, I'm not going to go on unless you want me to.
If you'd like to share some more info with me...

Steven Zikopoulos
szikopou@ccs.carleton.ca

If I don't here from you...I hope things work out.
From: pwageman@jupiter.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Chronic Bronchitis
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:11:38 GMT
Organization: Astrology R Us

Could somebody explain the difference between chronic and infectious 
bronchitis?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks,  Peggy 
Wageman
From: jetai@ipvvis.UNIPV.IT (J. E. T. A. I. - italia)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: German health care system
Date: 26 Jan 1993 07:24:21 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


GERMAN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM


I'm writing my graduation thesis about the German health care system.
I would like to have information about books,articles and internet sites
regarding this argument.

Thank you in advance.

			Alberto

P.S. I speak German too.

Please send mail to:

Alberto    [ e-mail  :   jetai@ipvvis.unipv.it  ]

or to :
 	Alberto Onetti
	collegio Borromeo
	pza Borromeo 9
	27100 PAVIA
	ITALY

tel:	(+39) 382 32362
fax:	(+39) 382 34303
From: karen@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Karen Latora)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Was ADD and Ritalin--for Candee
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:11:56 GMT
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine

Candee, I tried to send you e-mail, but it bounced back.  There
is mailing list.  The list administrator is at phoenix@n7kbt.rain.com

She'll get you hooked up the list.


Karen Latora
From: richard@tis.com (Richard Clark)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Veins on cornea (Q)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:03:39 GMT
Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com

In article <rbkatz-250193093120@128.96.93.103> rbkatz@cc.bellcore.com (Bob Katz) writes:
>A friend recently learned from an optometrist that some veins have appeared
>on the periphery of one of her corneas.  The cause was reduced oxygen to
>the cornea due to contact lenses.  She has daily wear, gas permeable lenses
>(which she now wears 16 hours a day, 7 days a week), but apparently the
>oxygen permeability of gas permeable lenses can be as low as 14%.
>
>The optometrist felt that she can continue to wear contacts, but should
>give her eyes a rest by using glasses more often.  He felt that the
>increase in oxygen could cause the veins to recede.  Even after receding,
>however, he thought they might leave thin, white lines on the cornea.
>
>Any opinions on this matter and the accuracy of the optometrist's
>information?
>
>Thanks.
>
>bob

	Yeah... Listen to the optometrist... Mine screamed at me a few
years ago for the same thing... Made me wear glasses for four months until
the veins went away... But I was being *terrible* to my eyes at the time,
I'd wear Permalens (extended wear) for months at a time without taking them
out... Luckily Permalens is very high water content (75%?), which means more O2
permeability, which meant the damage was only minimal and went away on its
own accord.

	A few notes I've picked up along the way: higher water content
usually means better O2 permeability, although lens thickness plays a
part too. If you feel a slight burning after closing your eyes for a few
minutes, you are indeed feeling O2 deprivation and should remove your lenses,
then either clean or replace them.

	I've finally made the realization that my eyes have to last for
another fifty years or so... So I've been looking into the disposable
extended wear lenses, knowing that every couple weeks I'll get a nice clean
pair without the fuss. (I hate taking out my lenses and cleaning them,
which is seriously *NOT GOOD*!)

	Anyway, I'm *NOT* a doctor, and your eyes are nothing to mess
with. I'd recommend strongly that she listen to her optometrist and
start taking better care of her eyes! She may want check out a different
kind of lens too, as the current ones *should* be able to supply sufficient
O2 with normal wear during the day, but since they are not, it may be
better to find a pair that *does*.

	Good luck!

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From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: Getting the hustle  (was: Reynaud's Syndrome)
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:49:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.031845.23696@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan14.204406.5881@island.COM> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) writes:
>>
>>>But the biggest scams are conducted by MD's. And I'm not talking about the
>>>guys in Tijuana, either. I mean, heart-bypass, angioplasty, lots of
>>>mainstream cancer therapy, and on and on. We're talking billions here.
>>>How can anyone compare that with someone's ginger farm?
> 
> Why do you call heart-bypass surgery a fraud?  Certainly, you do
> not mean to include ALL cases.

No. I don't mean ALL cases. Just most cases. There have been some studies
which show that more than 50% (I forget the exact figure) of all heart
by-pass cases are unneccessary. That's big-time fraud.
-- 
******************************************************************************
Robert Greenstein           What the fool cannot learn he laughs at, thinking
green@srilanka.island.com   that by his laughter he shows superiority instead
                            of latent idiocy - M. Corelli