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From: stueber@VAX.MPIZ-KOELN.MPG.DBP.DE
Subject: kanji of the day ?35
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:14:13 GMT

KANJI OF THE DAY # 35

                                      ****
                  4*************************
                        5***          ****
    1*        ****      ****          ****
    ****2***********    ****        ****
    ****      ****      ****        ****
    ****      ****      ****        ****
    ****      ****      ****      ****    ****
    ****      ****      ****      **************
    ****      ****      ****      ****    ****
    ****      ****    ****  6*            ****
    ****      ****    ****  **            ****
    ****      ****    ****    **        ****
    ****      ****    ****    **        ****
    ****      ****    ****    ****      ****
    ****3*********  ****        **    ****
    ****      ****  ****        ****  ****
    ****            ****          ******
    ****          ****            ******
                  ****          ****  ****
                ****          ****    ******
              ****          ****        **********
          ****          ****              ******
                  ******                    ****


(Numbers indicate order and beginning of strokes)

JIS      = 1939 (serial number)
shiftJIS = 8B7A (hexcode)
NELSON   = 885
MIYAMOTO = 6-75
KUNZE    = 9-24

   OnYomi: KYUU
  Kunyomi: su(u)  -  to sip, to breathe in, to suck, to absorb
                     to smoke (tobacco), to inhale, to bibe

Mnemonics:  "A baby suchs mother's breasts"

Derivation:

              ****************
  **********      **        **
  **      **      **      ****
  **      **      **      **
  **      **      **    ********
  **      **      **          **
  **      **    ******      ****  <- persons close together
  **      **    **  **      **       or
  **      **    **  ****  ****       to hold a person (human + hand)
  **      **  ****    ******                            V       V
  **********  **        **                              *       ***
   ^        ****      ******                           * *       *
   I      ****      ****  ****                        *   *     ***
   I    ****      ****      ****                     *     *      *
   I          ******          ****                  *       *    *
  mouth

Compounds:

KYUUshuu  -  absorption, suction, attraction
SU(i)mono -  soup  (gives some indication how to eat soup :-)

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To answer a frequently asked question: No, I never been to Japan so far.
I'd love to do, but who will then care for my five goats, my dog and my
guinea pigs?

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This is Nr. 0035
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From: schulman@madmax.hrl.hac.com (Joel Schulman)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Proficiency Tests
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:20:06 GMT
Organization: Hughes Research Labs, Malibu, Calif.


In article <9208281121.AA10070@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>Nihongo List:
>
>Do any of you know if there is a nationwide language proficieny test
>for Japanese?  If so, how can I go about taking it?
>

I just looked into this. The official proficiency test is the "Noh
Ryoku Shiken". "Noh"="skill", as in Noh Theater.
"Ryoku"="force,power."  It is given the first Sunday in December in 23
countries, but not the USA. I found out about this by calling the
Language Center of the Japan Foundation which happens to be here
in L.A. Phone: 310-829-3172. Fax: 310-829-9510.  They will send you
the info you need.

They are thinking seriously of giving it in the US next year. I did
not understand the reason for not giving it here now. It is given in
Canada, Mexico, England, Japan,...

JOel
schulman@maspv.hrl.hac.com

Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: melby@DOVE.YK.FUJITSU.CO.JP ("John B. Melby")
Subject: Re: My name in Kanji.
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:24:23 GMT

>        $B??(J (on-yomi ma) = `truth'

actually this should be:
on-yomi shin, kun-yomi ma, masa, sana.

The on-yomi can be found in such words as "shinkuu" (vacuum), shinjitsu (truth)
etc.

-----
John B. Melby
Fujitsu Limited, Yokohama
melby%yk.fujitsu.co.jp@fai.com
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: kanji of the day #33
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:44:06 GMT

stueber@VAX.MPIZ-KOELN.MPG.DBP.DE writes:

>KANJI OF THE DAY # 33

>JIS      = 4235 (serial number)

Sigh! Does *anyone* use serial codes for JIS? All the packages I know of
(kinput,moke,Wordtank,.....) use hex. BTW, the hex of this one is 4e25.

>  Kunyomi: hana(reru)  -  v.i. to separate, to part
 
also "banareru', same meaning.

>           hana(su)    -  v.t. to separate, to part, to divide, to keep apart
>           hana(re)    -  detached (building), solitary (house)

>RInyuu    -   weaning
>RIkon     -   divorce
>RIkombyou -   somnambulism

Hmmm, not in my Wordtank, wnndict, etc. The words I can find for somnambulism
begin with the "nemu" (JIS4c32/N3132) kanji. Can you provide more details.?

EDICT has a lot of compounds of this one:

enkyoRI - longdistance
kaiRI   - estrangement
RIkyuu  - (detached imperial) villa
kiriHANAsu - to decapitate

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From: CKELLEY@USUHS.UCC.USUHS.NNMC.NAVY.MIL ("LRC MR. CHARLES KELLEY")
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Devising a Nearly Flawless Second-Language Teaching System
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:09:00 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet


	I have read with great interest complaints and gripes about Jorden's
system for teaching Japanese.  I have read analogous comments about Russian.

	I'd like to pose a challenge to NIHONGO-kata:  Outline a system for
teaching Japanese as a second language.  What things ought to be incorporated?
What things ought to be dropped?  Please be specific.

	Charles Kelley
	Learning Resource Center
	Uniformed Services University
	Bethesda, MD

	CKELLEY@USUHS.BITNET
	CKELLEY@USUHS.UCC.USUHS.NNMC.NAVY.MIL.INTERNET
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: AECARM@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Doug Tvedt)
Subject: Proficiency Tests
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:17:28 GMT

Nihongo List:

Do any of you know if there is a nationwide language proficieny test
for Japanese?  If so, how can I go about taking it?

Thanks,
Doug

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From: luke@platypus.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)
Subject: Re: Proficiency Test/Jorden
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Date:  2 Sep 92 16:29:14

In article <1992Aug30.075320.2835@u.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu () writes:

>I'm beginning to see your point here. But doesn't it just boil down to
>the well known fact that the success of a second language learner is
>proportional to his/her motivation? Given very high motiviation (which
>I was lucky to have at the time), I'd expect that a language learner
>would do well in just about any system, even a flawed one, as long as
>it wasn't downright fraudulent.

[the middle of the full circle deleted]

>My point, to bring this full circle, is that the type of student who's
>really going to learn a second language well probably isn't the type
>who is going to just sit back passively and go through the classroom
>motions fully trusting the system placed before him or her. I think
>the student you mentioned who was disappointed in his performance in
>Japan was probably placing too much faith in the "elite" system he was
>part of. (Your point, I believe.) I've seen the same thing from
>Middlebury graduates and graduates of the Stanford Center. They may
>have been given more opportunities than me to learn the language
>right, but in all the cases I've met they didn't get all they could
>have gotten out of those places whereas I tried to get every drop out
>of the "backward" system I happened to wind up in.

Good points.  I think the big problem with any not-so-good teaching method
is that there are all kinds of students.  Certainly there are those (like
yourself) who will put forth the necessary effort to succeed in any type
of program.  Then there are those that are not willing to exert themselves
enough to succeed in _any_ program.  But then there are a lot in the middle
who will do poorly in a poor system and totally lose the desire to ever
study language again, whereas in a good program they might do well and be
motivated enough to really succeed.

The most fun, most interesting, most motivating Japanese course should be
the first semester.  I just can't see this being the case for a strictly-
followed Jordan-method program.
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From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Korean-Japanese would be easier??
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:57:58 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <9208260006.AA09340@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:

[stuff deleted]
>>
>As an alternative, you may want to try learning Korean and Japanese together. I
>have noticed that Koreans tend to pick up Japanese very fast so Korean must be
>more similar to Japanese than would Chinese.
>
	The Korean and the Japanese languages share many grammatical similari-
	ties such as ellipting a subject of a sentence and identical polite
	expressions or usages.  Korean and Japanese students who are studying 
	English often make the same kind of mistakes.
	There are several phonetical differences between the two.

	I don't know if it is easier for Korean/Japanese speakers to learn
	the other language than other languages like Chinese and German.


						Tetsuya Nishimura
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: Michael.Welch@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Welch)
Subject: Classic II and OS x.y.z.j or SweetJam 7.0(?)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:29:30 GMT

  I have a friend here who is interested in buying a Macintosh Classic II,
and has many japanese software pacages, and English ones, but from what i
understand, Apple has yet to release 7.x.x.j, which i assume is the only
operating systems that the Classic II will accept, as 6.0.8j will not.
Hmm. Well, the Univesity he is from seems to be using PowerBooks and a
brochure he showed me shows a Classic II running Japanese software. Is
this a mistake? Or, are they using SweetJam 7.0. If so, I was under the
assumption that SweetJam did NOT convert the menus to Japanese? Are there
two different types of Classic II's, one whihc will accept sys6, and one
that will not? I am very confused at this point, and would like some
information, for he wants to get a mac over here because of the cheap
prices (1/3 cost). So, does one have to pluck down the $400 for SweetJam
7, or is there another alternative until the new OS.j comes out? 
  BTW, he does have SweetJam 4.x.y, what help that can be of if there is
some sort of patch, it would be nice to know. ANyhow, I hope someone can
help me figure out a way to help him get a cheap mac without having to
invest the money into SeetJam 7.0, however. Also, when will Apple be
releasing 7.1 with Japanese...?

  Thank you very much for any input, please send to:

     Michael.Welch@bbs.oit.unc.edu

Thank you.

Michael W.

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From: jlkim@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Justin Kim)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Wordtanks
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:19:33 GMT


	Can anyone tell me if there will be another mass Wordtank
buy in the near future?  My 8500 broke (major :-( ) and I need a
replacement.  Thanks.

Justin
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---------------->Pacific Studies-University of California, San Diego
From: isc30176@nusunix2.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: My name in Kanji and more
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:22:51 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore

jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
: >Mandarin is the official languages for China now.  It was only
: >standardized when Communist decided to have a common language for the
: Hmmm. My encyclopedia says that about 70% of the Chinese spoken as a first language
: is "Mandarin". Cantonese comes second at about 15%.
: Actually each Dynasty had it own dialect which became to e "official" chinese. What
: we called "Mandarin" was the Ching (Manchu) dynastic version.

Because it's capital city is Beijing, I guess. 8-)
I'm not very sure about the 70% statistic, though.
I think many of the Chinese do speak Mandarin, but 1st language?
Could the number be given out from communist China?
Coz my during my tour of China, I notice that most of the people speaks
in their own dialect.  Only when they need to communicate to
'foreigners' do they use Mandarin.

Anyway, i begin to wonder why this discussion is under this particular
topic.  Unfortunately I'm new and don't know how to start a new thread.
And I doubt it'd be the right group.

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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: hamazaki@ETL.GO.JP (Youichi Hamazaki)
Subject: Re: (none)
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:34:13 GMT

In article <9209021447.AA11341@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
>How does one make this "Japanese salad dressing"? and,
>What is it called (In Japanese)?

We call it "wa-fuu sarada doressingu", "wa-fuu" means Japanese style
and "sarada doressingu" is Japanish reading of 'salad dressing'.

Common recepi of 'Japanese dressing' is
*ingradients
  Oil	:  Corn oil, Soybean oil, sesami oil or mixture of some of them.
  Vineger :  Rice vineger, apple vineger, etc.
  Soy source : "syou-yu" is used instead of salt
  "Mirin" (Japanese sweet liqure) :  add something sweet. If you can't get
mirin, add a bit of suger.

 Mix well all of ingradients.

To make it more simple, add "syou-yu" to plain french dressing.

>I have some sachets of dried ingredients that I am told
>should be sprinkled over the top of left-over rice, and then
>hot water should be added to produce a kind of soup.
>What are these sachets called? and,
"Ochazuke no moto"
>What is the resulting soup known as?
"Ochazuke", tea("ocha") soaked("zuke") rice

Hope this help.

Yoichi
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From: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM (Lem Fugitt - Nihon Sun US Office)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Hiragana/Katakana tutor programs?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 16:54:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: fugitt@tempus.Corp.Sun.COM (Lem Fugitt - Nihon Sun US Office)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempus.corp.sun.com


In article <1992Sep1.092727.9399@athena.cs.uga.edu>, jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Chuck Jordan) writes:
>Sorry if this is a frequently-asked question, but can anyone recommend
>a good program that would help in learning Hiragana or Katakana writing?

The best program I've run across is for the IBM. It's actually
two programs, one for Hiragana, one for Katakana. It has flash
card modes as well as stroke order drills and vocabulary building.
The manufacturer is-

	Eastword Software	(415) 848-3866
	P.O. Box 9025
	Berkeley, CA 94709

The manuals are comprehensive and I had no problems with the
installation or using the programs. When I purchased them
(almost a year ago) they mentioned that they were working on
a Kanji version but I haven't seen anything further on it.

Lem


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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: M.Kossa@FREC.BULL.FR (Marc Kossa)
Subject: mono tari nai (fwd)
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:28:42 GMT

I'm looking for literal and non-literal translations for the phrase
"mono tari nai."  I am in a local taiko group that is looking for something
to name one of our original pieces.  We thought this might be the phrase
that would mean something like "it doesn't cut it" or "something is missing"
but also heard that it might mean "frustrating."

Which is it?

p.s.  Any other taiko players out there on the net?  Is there a particular
newsgroup that other taiko players might subscribe to?

Pam Dagoberg
Honeywell, Inc.
Coon Rapids, MN
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: Devising a Nearly Flawless Second-Language Teaching System
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:09:03 GMT

djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:

>The best system is to catch the student at birth, and raise
>them in a Japanese home.  The problem then reduces to one of teaching
>English.

In their colonizing days, the Brits had an excellent technique called a 
"bed-side dictionary".  I won't go into details for fear of offending, but
it had something to do with hands-on, one-on-one, intense langauge instruction.

Apparently the language skills of the British officials in India declined
significantly when the memsahibs began to arrive in numbers.

[Before you start flaming, I point out that one of my great-great-grandmothers
was Indian. The family kept this a deep, dark secret for 145 years. I'm proud
of it.]

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(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: words for 'canyon' and 'fossil'
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:31:23 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <6795@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> bartonh@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM (Barton T Hickman) writes:
>couldn't find in my modest dictionary collection that I'd greatly
>appreciate knowing the japanese equivalents of:
>
>canyon -- as in Hell's Canyon
	
	Tani,  Kyo^koku

>fossil -- animals and plants (if there is a difference)

	Kaseki
>
>Thanks, 
>Bart in OR

	You're welcome.  :-)

						Tetsuya Nishimura
From: selee@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lee Say Eng)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: JIS punctuation codes
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:54:08 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

/
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hpmalr65.mal.hp.com
Thanks to three very fine people, I now have all the JIS punctuation
codes I could possibly use.  Domo arigato.
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From: yang@sanjacinto.cs.tcu.edu (FrogMan--II)
Subject: Re: non-Japanese names in Kanji
Organization: Texas Christian University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:35:28 GMT

>             ***      *
>                *    *   *
>             ****   *******      <--- Well, I suppose the chances of anybody
>             *         *              recognising the character from my
>             *       *****            ASCII-sketch have to be pretty slim,
>             ****    * * *            but I thought I'd give it a go!
>                *    *****
>                *      *  *       ... Lifes pretty difficult at the mo' for
>              * *      *  **          Nihongo-netters with no kanji facilities,
>               *     *****  *         isn't it!
>
Is this really a Japanese character?
It looks Chinese to me.

Oh, well  I am still a beginner.  ;-)

Kevin.


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From: mathias@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gerald B. Mathias)
Subject: Re: Korean-Japanese would be easier??
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:09:39 GMT

My advice is always learn Korean first, and then Japanese.  Japanese
pronunciation will seem even easier than otherwise, after the really
tricky Korean phonology.

More importantly, Sino-Korean transmutes to Sino_Japanese much more
readily than vice-versa, making vocabulary in Japanese easy to pick up
if you already know the Korean.

And Koreans do indeed learn Japanese easier than Chinese do, as far as
speaking it goes.

Bart Mathias
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: words for 'canyon' and 'fossil'
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:31:26 GMT

ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

>In article <6795@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> bartonh@tekeda.PEN.TEK.COM (Barton T Hickman) writes:
>>couldn't find in my modest dictionary collection that I'd greatly
>>appreciate knowing the japanese equivalents of:
>>
>>canyon -- as in Hell's Canyon
>	
>	Tani,  Kyo^koku

Edict has keikoku as well.
The Wordtank has fukai kyoukoku
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From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Can Anyone Translate This?
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:26:23 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <3836@spool.mu.edu> ashmor@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Robert Ashmore III) writes:
>
>kaishajin no atama ga iya desu, yo

	kaishajin = people working for a/the company
		(or, people who only think about their work but not families)
		(or, people who can live only in a/the company or at work)

	no = of; possession marker/particle

	atama = head; brain; the way one thinks

	ga = subject marker/particle

	iya = hate; dislike; no thank you; that's enough!

	desu = polite form of "da," which indicates decision/conclusion

	yo = interjection

	Literal meaning of the sentence:
		"I don't like the heads of people working for a/the company."

	Possible PRAGMATIC meanings of the sentence:
		"I hate the way workaholics thinks."
		"I hate the way you guys (= workaholics) think."
		"I hate to work here (= where there are workaholics)."


		Any other INTERPRETATIONS?

					Tetsuya Nishimura
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