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From: bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Bob Sherman)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Cellular Phones With Deals Attached
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:01:23 GMT
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In <telecom12.748.4@eecs.nwu.edu> Paul Robinson <FZC@CU.NIH.GOV>
writes:

> Second, for anyone that has an answer, what is the maximum number of
> nams you've seen for a single telephone.  Because of roaming and dual
> carriers, I saw an ad in the {Los Angeles Times} which showed a cell
> phone with QUAD nam capability.

At least some of the Technophone (sp?) models offer eight nams, but
that is the most I have ever seen in any unit.


bsherman@mthvax.cs.miami.edu    MCI MAIL:BSHERMAN 


[Moderator's Note: I got a Technophone via Leader Communications when
they were offering them for $29 with a tie in to Cellular One (their
parent company) two years ago. It worked for a few months then broke
down. Leader claimed it could not be fixed and offered to sell me a
new phone for $400+ (cheapest one in the store that day) but they
refused to knock off the $300 saying I was not a new Cell One
activation, even though I offered to sign a new upgraded service
contract with Cell One. I told them how badly the whole thing stunk
and dropped by Cell One service the same da, putting both my phones on
Ameritech where the coverage area and roaming agreements are better
anyway.   PAT]
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 12:37:50 EDT
From: andys@internet.sbi.com (Andy Sherman)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Problems With OP Station Over SLC-96
Organization: Salomon Inc
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On 23 Sep 92 03:25:08 GMT, Jeff@digtype.airage.com (Jeff Wasilko) said:

[ Description of problem connecting off premesis extensions from
  NT Norstar via ATA to lines multiplexed by a SLC-96 ]

> SNET is saying it's our problem. I disagree, since it's obvious the
> SLC is what's eating the ring voltage. I've asked for six copper lines
> (instead of the SLC-d ones), but they say that they only give copper
> to alarm companies -- the rest of us must suffer.

> The only concrete suggestion I've heard from SNET is to try reversing
> tip and ring going to the CO. They think this might keep the SLC from
> munching our ring. I'm going to try this tomorrow. After that I'm
> going to lock WilTel and SNET into the switch room and leave them
> there until it works (:

The SLC will always eat your ring voltage.  The question is whether or
not it will regenerate it on the far end.  It will never pass it
through.  Think about what a SLC does.  It digitizes your voice path
(with or without compression) and trunks it over a T1.  Ring is a
signalling function and handled in different bits in the DS1
superframe from the digitized voice.  At the far end, the Remote
Terminal regenerates ring voltage from its own power source.

While you've said that the Norstar and ATA are generating ring voltage
that is within spec, has anybody looked at ring duration?  Are the
rings in the two ring bursts long enough to trigger the ring detection
circuitry in the SLC?  I strongly suspect that this is the problem,
especially if outside (single ring) calls ring through the SLC.

You might put all your telephone techs together and suggest that they
compare ring voltage and duration specs required by the SLC (and a lot
of other ring detectors, like answering machines) against the ring
voltage and duration specs for what the Norstar and ATA are producing.


Andy Sherman
Salomon Inc  -  Unix Systems Support  -  Rutherford, NJ
(201) 896-7018  -  andys@flatline.sbi.com or asherman@mhnj.sbi.com
"These opinions are mine, all *MINE*.  My employer can't have them."
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:35:15 CST
From: apollo@n2sun1.ccl.itri.org.tw (Yee-Lee Shyong)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Information Needed: IOM-2 Interface
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Does anyone know who defined the IOM-2 interface? It also known as
ISDN-Oriented Modular rev. 2.2 or GCI ISDN bus.  Is it an interna-
tional standard or proprietary definition of vendor?


Thanks!

Apollo
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:24:34 BST
From: eeitecs@eeiuc.ericsson.se (Terence Cross)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: TASI (was AT&T Announces Encryption Security Device)
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In article <telecom12.744.12@eecs.nwu.edu> dancer!whs70@uunet.UU.NET
(22501-sohl) writes:

> I don't know about today, but in the past there was.  A system called
> TASI was used on international cables to make use of the slices of
> silence in each direction.  I suspect it has long since been abandoned
> as circuit capacity has expanded tremendously since the time it was
> used.  The acronym TASI was something like: Time A????? Speech
> Interpolation I think.

Another similar system is called DCME (Digital Circuit Multiplication
Equipment).  This uses digital speech interpolation (which is like
TASI?) and low rate encoding of speech to compress it.

One example of DCME will compress (5:1) and concentrate (2:1) ten 2
Mbit/s trunk lines carrying speech over one 2 Mbit/s (1.5 in the US)
line to another, distant DCME twin.

As you can imagine non-speech data calls through such systems
encounter problems and are not compressed so easily.


Terence Cross
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992  20:36:31 EDT
From: FZC@CU.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Internet White Pages
Reply-To: TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM
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[Moderator's Note: I received a few others like this regards the
Internet White Pages message. The information is repeated below.  PAT]

ian.evans@bville.gts.org (Ian Evans) wrote:

> I'm sorry, I missed your original posting on this.  Could you please
> send me the (corrected) information.

RFC 1202 states that ANYONE with an Internet Mail address is entitled
to have that address listed in the Internet white pages, provided they
send in an application to the registrar with their E-Mail address.

The address to send a response to is REGISTRAR@NIC.DDN.MIL and give
the following information:

 Name:
 Internet Mail Address:
 Organization (if any):
 Address:
 City:
 State:
 ZIP / Postal Code:
 Country:
 Telephone:

Optionally, you may include telex and fax numbers if you have them.

Then send this information to REGISTRAR@NIC.DDN.MIL and they should
issue you a code and list you in the WHOIS Internet White Pages.
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:54:12 GMT
From: ccoombs@pilot.njin.net (Cliff Coombs)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Info Wanted on Vitalink and Network Systems
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A friend my mine recently interviewed for a position with Vitalink.
 From the interview he said they had recently merged with Network
Systems.  He was really excited about the position and asked me to try
to get more info about the company, it's products and it's people.

Please respond via email.


Thanks,

Cliff Coombs                        Voice (908) 527-2729  Fax (908) 355-5143 
Campus Network Administrator                          ccoombs@pilot.njin.net
Kean College of New Jersey                             ccoombs@luau.kean.edu
Disclaimer: "I know noth-ink" -Schultz (Hogan's Heros)   ccoombs@njin.BITNET
From: James.VanHouten@f544.n109.z1.fidonet.org (James VanHouten)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: What it Costs to Have the President Over
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:57:32 GMT
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phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller) wrote:

> I have only heard rumors about the bills associated with all of this,
> but it sure seems clear that some combination of the Bush/Quail
> organization and our tax dollars are shelling out real money for a 20
> minute speech.  Anyone got any idea how much the campaigns spend on
> throw away work like this?
 
> [Moderator's Note: Quite a bit of money is spent and inconvenience is
> endured by people whenever the president comes through town. Whenever
> Bush comes to Chicago the rest of us have to put up with numerous
> streets closed off, massive traffic jams on the streets still open,
  ...

Without going in to great detail, I spent eight years with the White
House Communications Agency providing telecommunications for the
President/VP.  The amount of money spend to support the Chief is
staggering.  You must remember the wireline communications that you
see is also backed up by other alternative communications.

OBTW Pat, I was on a trip to Chicago in '90 I guess.  You are right;
when the President comes to town stay home.  I used to think of all
the people's lives that were put on hold during a Presidential visit.
I guess the most memorable is a few trips to NYC.  The police close
several blocks during the middle of the day.  Boy those New Yorkers
can sure give you some scary looks as you go driving by!!


James Van Houten


[Moderator's Note: Harry S Truman used to take walks alone around
downtown Washington, DC during his term in office. I don't need an
explanation of why that is not feasable these days, but it seems to me
there is a massive overkill of protection and telecom services for the
President.   PAT]
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992  18:19:20 EDT
From: FZC@CU.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: About the Internet White Pages
Reply-To: TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM
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For those who attempted to register their Internet address with the
NIC, and were refused, I need to make a slight correction.

I listed the address "HOSTMASTER@NIC.DDN.MIL" as the address to submit
a listing for the Internet White Pages.  The correct address is
"REGISTRAR@NIC.DDN.MIL".

Also, under the specific note in RFC 1202, on page 12 it clearly
states that the registrar is to accept ANY internet address for
listing in the white pages.  The only reference it has to site names
is that only people who are site administrators will be queried for
any changes in their listing; everyone else must send in corrections
to NIC.

I know that they accept anyone; I registered when my only Internet
address was paul.robinson@f417.n109.z1.fidonet.org and I was just a
user on a BBS.


Paul Robinson    TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 13:09:25 -0700
From: henry@ads.com (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: 800 Numbers Restricted by NYTel?
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rhcohen@netcom.com (Robert Cohen) wrote:

> Could this be a new 'revenue enhancement' scheme?  

I'd think it would only be revenue enhancement if I didn't take a
sledgehammer to the phone.

Winkey smileys, of course.

jbutz@homxa.att.com wrote:

> Phones block 800 service for a number of reasons.  AOS's do it because
> 800 calls do not generate any revenue.  AOSs don't want callers using
> their resources to make free calls, when they typically charge $3 to
> $4 for a three minute local call.

I know about AOS's; I don't use their phones if I can help it.  They
never work in the conventional ways, and my time and money are better
spent elsewhere.

> Blocking 800 is sometimes done for fraud prevention.  

Then why don't they mark the damned phone "no 800 calls" ... is this
too much to ask?


# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992  07:43:32 EDT
From: FZC@CU.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Wanted: Device to Record Kepad as ASCII
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James Deibele, on <9/22 at 20:29 GMT> writes:

> I'm looking for something..user calls, enters a number, "#" or
> waits ... what I want from this: an ASCII file with each number

There was a company which made a device called the "Watson" which for
around $125.00 was a 1200 baud modem and a touch-tone decoder and
generator, one of the uses was to be able to interrogate a DBASE file
on an IBM-PC.  It was a plug in card for the IBM.

They has a demonstration once on an 800 number.  They were located in
Massachusetts, (Boston, I think) and I think the name of the company
was Natural Microsystems.  If you can find them and they're still
around, you might want to look into this.


My Opinions don't necessarily reflect anyone else's.

Paul Robinson   TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 21:29 PDT
From: john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Thoughts About WFMT Versus WNIB/WNIZ
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On Sep 26 at 19:38, TELECOM Moderator writes:

> [Moderator's Note: Jay Andres began his classical music radio career
> in about 1950 on WBBM (780-AM) with a program called "Music Til Dawn"
> sponsored by American Airlines and syndicated to stations all over the
> US including WWL in Cincinnati and KOA in Denver.

Both KNX, Los Angeles, and KCBS, San Francisco, had an American
Airlines "Music Til Dawn", but the programs were locally produced at
each station. In the late sixties, I had occasion to make several
automobile trips to Provo, UT. Travelling late at night, it was
possible to listen to KNX for most of the trip. For the life of me, I
cannot remember who the announcer was.

Ken Ackerman was the host for the San Francisco version, which
outlived the Los Angeles counterpart by several years.

> [Moderator's Note: When WFMT was *live* all night the combination
> announcer/engineer fell asleep one night, and awakened some twenty
> minutes into dead air.

Some years ago at a local station, the late night DJ decided to go
down to the parking lot to do some kind of shady deal. Not wanting to
have ID on him, he left his wallet in the studio. Unfortunately, the
paper he stuffed under the door to keep it open gave way and his "card
key" was in his wallet. He had to walk to a payphone down the street.
I got the first call and refused to come down to let him in. He ended
up calling the program director and did not remain too long with the
station after that.


John Higdon  |   P. O. Box 7648   |   +1 408 264 4115     |       FAX:
john@ati.com | San Jose, CA 95150 | 10288 0 700 FOR-A-MOO | +1 408 264 4407
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:25:35 GMT
From: dag@ossi.com (Darren Alex Griffiths)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Non-Air Air-Phone
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cmwolf@mtu.edu (CHRISTOPHER WOLF) writes:

> When I took the ferry across Lake Michigan from MI to WI this summer,
> there was a phone or two on board that looked like the phones on
> air-planes.

> How does this work being only 100ft off the ground, in the middle of a
> lake?

They have phones similar to this on the San Francisco -- Oakland
ferries.  In our case they are simply cellular phones with credit card
attachments.  BTW, the most civilized way to get home in the evening
is a quiet ride across the bay with glass of wine and a slow breeze.
It sure beats the Bay Bridge during rush hour, but don't tell anyone
or it will get to crowded on the boat.


Cheers,

Darren Alex Griffiths          dag@nasty.ossi.com
Open Systems Solutions Inc.    (510) 652-6200 x139
Fujitsu Ltd.                   Fax: (510) 652-5532
6121 Hollis Street       Emeryville, CA 94608-2092
From: ganek@apollo.hp.com (Dan Ganek)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Cellular Phones With Deals Attached
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:38:57 GMT
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In article <telecom12.748.4@eecs.nwu.edu> tdarcos@mcimail.com writes:

> On page B5 of today's (9/29) {Washington Post}, a place is offering a
> cellular phone for a low price provided you take a one year contract
> with Cellular One.

> In the fine print it notes that "installation and antenna not
> included, must be installed by" the selling company.

> The current price is $9.95 for the phone.

> I know that in places like California and North Carolina, tie-ins like
> this are not permitted so phones sell at list price.

> [Moderator's Note: Cellular One here in Chicago is always running
> deals like you mention. The other day an ad in the paper offered a bag
> phone for a penny (yes, one cent!) provided you signed a contract with
> Cellular One for some period of time. The most nams I have seen in a
> phone was four. That seems to be about the practical, if not
> theoretical limit.    PAT]

Free/cheap cellular phones are the norm here in the NE. I never did
understand why CA made such tie-in's illegal. If I'm running some sort
of service business and offer to subsidize my customer's equipment,
why not?  I'm not REQUIRING them to do it.  For example, I can get a
Mits 1500 transportable for about $200 -- if I sign up for Cell One at
$40 plus $21/month for six months.  What's a Mits 1500 cost in CA?
What are the Cell One minimum sign up and monthly charges?

Get a bag phone or transportable, they don't require an antenna or
installation.  I got a Mits transportable and then installed it
myself. (A great way to learn all about automoble manufacturing
techniques :-)

                                                        
dan
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 13:57:38 GMT
From: seebeck@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Mike Seebeck)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Please Suggest a Good Voice Mail System
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In article <telecom12.727.7@eecs.nwu.edu> mahesh@evb.com writes:

> Please suggest me a good voice mail system (cost*performance).  Please
> respond by email only.

This is not a good way to select a voice mail system.  Voice mail
comes in many sizes andlevels of technology.  Before asking what voice
mail to use you should analyze what you expect the system to do for
your business.  What are the traffic requirements, how much storage,
what features are important, what applications will you run on it?
Does a single platform system to which you can add FAX, e-mail, or IVR
make sense?  Will a system which is based on a PC and is therefore
limited to asingle CPU capable of providing for your needs?  Do you
need a queue or traffic information for traffic analysis and
management?  f you purchase a system what kind of cost benefit can you
expect?  Voice mail systems save time and therefore money.  They make
financial sense but are they right for your clients?  Who will program
the system?  Will the voice mail interface be viewed by your clients
as an aid or as a hinderance?  The combination of system features and
programming will decide if the system helps your business or hurts it.


michael
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:35:22 -0600
From: rickie@trickie.ualberta.ca (Richard Nash)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Speech Recognition Added to Telephone Messaging System
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> In article <telecom12.729.9@eecs.nwu.edu> cmoore@BRL.MIL wrote:

>> I called those Dallas-area voice recognition phone numbers recently
>> published in the Digest.  I had at least two cases of "seven" going
>> through as "two".

> And my Asian/Indian-accented "two" was always consitently read as a
> "zero". It did get my two correct when I deliberately put on the best
> American accent I could manage.

>  Seven as a two, two as a zero ... !? Even the number of syllables,
> phonemes, allophones ... (whoever you count) differ!

Yeah, I tried them too.:) :) :) Saying 'yup' instead of 'yes' dosen't
work at all. My guess is that these voice recognition phone numbers
are actually being recorded, (sampled) and analyzed by the company
(Dialogic?) to improve their technology. You may be assisting them
unwittingly :) :)

Compare the 'yes' and 'no' word recognition from these systems to
those from the telecos Automated Alternate Billing System. "You have a
collect call from Joe Smith, Do you accept the charges? Please say yes
or no."  Can you distinguish the differences in recognition accuracy
between them?  If this technology was useful to you, how reliable
would it have to be?

Arnold Schzwartz the Law and Order Robot: 
          "You are under arrest!"
          "Stop or I will shoot you!"
          "Do you understand? Please say yes or no."

Bad Foreign Guy: "Noze!"

Arnold Schzwartz the Law and Order Robot:
 
         "You did not respond yes or no" 
          "Hasta la vista, eat lead!"
          
Arnold's Equalizer: "Ratta-tat-tat"   :) :) :) :)


Richard Nash   Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6K 0E8
UUCP:       trickie!rickie@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 09:01:11 PDT
From: David <ofsevit@nac.enet.dec.com>
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
Subject: Network Installation Box Installation Rules
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	I just had a second phone line installed in my home, and the
Network Interface Box was installed on the outside of the house.  This
strikes me as a problem, since it leaves the box open to weather,
vandalism, and theft of service.  Also, my phone number is written
inside the box (which does have a hole for a padlock, but which is
made of flimsy plastic).

    	When I discussed this with the foreman, he told me that this
was standard procedure and mandated by the Mass. Department of Public
Utilities.  The justification is that they need access to the box for
test purposes.  I don't seem to have any option to have it installed
inside the house.

    	Is this proper?  Is this practice universal?  Have I worked in
computer security too much, and am I just too paranoid??


David Ofsevit