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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:41:01 GMT

In article <mccalley.715646775@topaz1> mccalley@rtsg.mot.com (Phil McCalley) writes:
>And maybe AIDS can strike anyone, but it mainly strikes homosexuals.
>
>So the here are the two main parts of the argument:
>
>	1)  A deadly disease strikes MAINLY one particular group of people.

Wrong.  The current incidence of AIDS is higher among Heterosexuals,
and so is the infection rate.

>	2)  This same particular group has a hard time reproducing.

We've been around for thousands and thousands of years, not doing
much breeding, and we're still here.  If there's a genetic component,
it must have some NICE advantages.


Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Microsexual brains
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 14:50:47 GMT

In article <farenebt.715969213@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>
farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:

>First off, someone in the scientific community recently showed that
>homosexuals' (men's) brains were somewhat smaller than those of
>heterosexuals. 

I'm afraid you are confused.  This refers to the brains of microsexuals,
not homosexuals.  These people (sometimes called rather loosely
"Republicans") are the ones you see with top-knots and polka-dotted suits,
strolling around saying "Yow!".  Like Dan Quayle or Pat Buchanan.

I hope this clarifies matters.




-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprect-Karls University 
                gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Discrimination vs. homo/bi: justified?
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:44:08 GMT
Reply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: cmgrawbu@c00091-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu


>>What factors do you believe effect the child to make him/her
>>homosexual then?


Even though this was not directed to me, I'd like to put my
two cents in.

Homosexuality can be caused by

1) The environment that a person grew up in
    (Only male/female freinds, no father/mother figure)

2) A horrible experience with a member of the opposite sex
    (Probably, rare but a possibility)

3) Choice

4) And here is an interesting one that I heard about and
   don't yet have an opinion myself

   Doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that the sins of a
   father could manifest themselves onto the offspring??




Chris
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From: dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:26:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group

elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher) writes:
>James P Dusek babbled:

	Nice Ellen, did you think of this by yourself, or did you
have help?

>>>|> Japanese were *NOT* put into concentration camps during WW2. ... There
>>>|> is a big difference between a consentration camp and a detainment camp.
>rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese) objects:
>>>Try asking people who were in the camps...
>And Dusek retorts:

	Ohh, another, I'm hurt.

>>Really, I missed the part where the japanese in the camps talk about
>>the ovens and gas chambers, can you post where these are refered to?
>Let's see _Merriam-Webster's Third New International_ (unabridged):
>  concentration camp (n):  a camp where persons (as prisoners of war,
>   political prisoners, refugees, or foreign nationals) are detained 
>   or confined and sometimes subjected to physical and mental abuse 
>   and indignity.  
>Would you point out the "ovens" and "gas chambers" there, or did you
>just want to set up a nonexistent dichotomy between "detainment" and
>"concentration" camps?

	Ask 99.99 percent of the people on this planet what a 
concentration camp is they will tell you its the place where
the Germans gassed jewish people. Webster might not say it, but
the Media and history book always equates gas chambers, ovens, ect
with concentration camps. I see you don't read History books nor
newspaper articles about the concentration camps in Germany. If
you did you would see there was a big differance between a 
detainment and concentration camp, there is a dichotomy between
detainment and concentration.

>>>William F. Buckley's notion of isolation camps comes to mind...
>>	So, who is William F. Buckley?
>You never read newspapers either, I see.

	I have heard of him, but I do not know WHO he is.

	Ellen , you might want to try and be less of an idiot next 
time. Nothing in my post warrented the flaming attack that you gave.

James Dusek
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,misc.consumers
From: spm2d@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Steven Miale)
Subject: Re: Waldenbooks fires staff for refusing to sell racist book!
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:46:28 GMT

In article <Bu64zG.IuF@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
> If bookstores stopped selling what others find offensive (or might
> find offensive), there wouldn't be many books to sell.  I think maps
> of the world would be all that's left. 

The map of Europe would offend either the Serbs or the Bosnians,
depending on how you drew their respective nations.
This doesn't include whether it's "Macedonia" or "Skopje" - calling
it Macedonia would offend the Greeks.
And what about the border dispute between Azerbaijan and Armenia?

Maps would be the first things to go... :-|

> Nobody is forcing you to purchase  
> these books, and legally, Blanche Knott has a right to say whatever  
> Blanche Knott feels.  Whether I, personally, am against the material  
> expressed in the book is irrelevant.

Agreed.

Steve
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From: omhoward@acsu.buffalo.edu (The God-Bitch Emperor of Snuggle Bunnies)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:31:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

I hate to go back on my word.. but stan is still sporeading his nonsense 
so I guess I should at least make an effort to counter it.. Hi stan.. I'm 
back...


Have A Day
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*Vox Domini*

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Good quote follows:
   "I believe that homophobia is equivalent to racism.  Prejudicial violence
     towards gays and lesbians is as irrational as hostility towards African
     Americans.  A bigot is a bigot."     		-L.S. Welch
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:40:41 EDT
From: <ZQH@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Crooked Racist!!! (Was Re: "Chinese-Americans..."

In <1992Jul9.032741.20139@leland.Stanford.EDU>
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> Japanese culture (and Western culture) are
>far superior to the baboon-like culture of the Chinese.  I'm referring
>to rather stupid, sly, and sneaky baboons, by the way.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

For those who don't know the (in)famous Dwight Joe:  he is well-known
among Asian-Americans for his vicious insults to Chinese in various
newsgroups.  If any of you has a chance to read some of his postings,
you will be shocked by his neo-Nazi viewpoints.  Unfortunately I did
not save his articles.  But the one above is still much milder than
some of his other outrageous articles.

James Huang
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: gsmith@lauren.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Discrimination vs. homo/bi: justified?
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 14:45:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.224408.25968@ncsu.edu> cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu
(CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:

>Even though this was not directed to me, I'd like to put my
>two cents in.

>Homosexuality can be caused by

>1) The environment that a person grew up in
>    (Only male/female freinds, no father/mother figure)

>2) A horrible experience with a member of the opposite sex
>    (Probably, rare but a possibility)

>3) Choice

>4) And here is an interesting one that I heard about and
>   don't yet have an opinion myself

>   Doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that the sins of a
>   father could manifest themselves onto the offspring??

Then again, what causes heterosexuality?  Using the Cmgrawbu methodolgy,
which is standard in this field, we find:

1) Person had friends which were either male or female, and had both a
mother and a father (as we see from the above, this also causes
homosexuality. But no one ever said this stuff was easy.)

2)  A horrible experience with a member of the same sex.

3) Cooties.

4) Using the Necronomicon to open up gateways into other realms of
being, thus bringing the Great Old Ones into the picture.

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprect-Karls University 
                gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,misc.consumers
From: minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor)
Subject: Re: Waldenbooks fires staff for refusing to sell racist book!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:58:41 GMT

ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:

|>>                                                        I think maps
|>>of the world would be all that's left.

Not really. If you ever get a chance, buy or look at a map called 
Peter's Projection. It shows how much Europeans have had an effect on
world maps produced.

So according the Peter's Projection, that map is the only map that could
be sold without biased arguement.

(Sorry, I didn't catch the original poster stating the above so I used
this one...)
-- 
	/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
	|	Kevin Minor	UUCP: ...uunet!mcdchg!motcid!minor	|
	|			Mail: minor@rtsg.mot.com		|
	\~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:39:47 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

In article <AWERLING.92Sep11124805@dante.nmsu.edu> awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING) writes:
>My assertion: leave kids alone.  Don't make them more confused than
>they already are.  You wanna try to convert them to your cult, at
>least have the decency to wait until the kid's in his thirties.

This proves more than you want.  Much, much, more than you want; you're arguing
that, essentially, you should not teach children _anything_ about right and
wrong.  Your argument doesn't apply just to being gay; it could just as well
be used to say that it's wrong to take your child to church, or that it's
wrong to tell your child not to lie or steal.
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,misc.consumers
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Waldenbooks fires staff for refusing to sell racist book!
Reply-To: ask@cblph.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:13:39 GMT

In article <Bu64zG.IuF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>
>How about boybotting the right people--the people directly
>responsible for the book (all books written by Blanche Knott)? 
>Boycotting the bookstore chain that sells this book is akin to
>killing the messenger when a bad news arrives.  These booksellers
>don't control the content of the books and it would be bad business for
>them to stop selling a book because some people view it as racist. 

I don't understand this argument.  Surely no bookstore will stock
every single book in print. They stock those they think will sell,
or are committed to stock.

>If bookstores stopped selling what others find offensive (or might
>find offensive), there wouldn't be many books to sell. 

Agree.


>                                                        I think maps
>of the world would be all that's left.

Hoo boy!

I think most of the wars, including current wars, are fought over
maps.

Should the maps read Iraq or Kuwait?  Isreal or Palestine?  Ireland
or the U.K.?  Croatia or Serbia or ???   --  Great Britain or U.S.?

No, I think maps would not be the innocent, non-controversial items
they may seem.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: Discrimination vs. homo/bi: justified?
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:44:21 GMT

In article <AWERLING.92Sep11123643@dante.nmsu.edu> awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.180856.7125@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>
>-   I'll point out for starters that it's not clear that the effect
>-   would be anything as simple as you imagine. I.e. it may be the
>-   case that sexual orientation is environmentally controlled but
>-   that the influence does not come from whether you are around
>-   gay or straight people when you grow up.
>
>What factors do you believe effect the child to make him/her
>homosexual then?
I don't have the faintest clue. That's why I don't go around
asserting that sexual orientation is environmentally controlled.
And since I don't know, and have never seen convincing studies,
I am not fool enough to go around asserting that it is not
environmentally controlled. If you don't have studies, perhaps
you should consider whether you should be in the business of
making such assertions without proof either.
-Ekr




-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Subject: Re: Discrimination vs. homo/bi: justified?
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<AWERLING.92Sep11123643@dante.nmsu.edu>
	<1992Sep12.224408.25968@ncsu.edu>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:50:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.224408.25968@ncsu.edu> cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:

-   Homosexuality can be caused by

-   1) The environment that a person grew up in
-       (Only male/female freinds, no father/mother figure)

I once heard a wonderful dispute to this argument: how many males in
our society *did* have a close father figure?  Aren't most men in this
country distant?  Lacking in compassion?  So if this is true, there
would be quite a few more gay people out there. :)

-   2) A horrible experience with a member of the opposite sex
-       (Probably, rare but a possibility)

But of course that would ask for the logic: rejection of one sex =
attraction to the other sex (as opposed to asexuality, for example).

-   3) Choice

I didn't choose.

-   4) And here is an interesting one that I heard about and
-      don't yet have an opinion myself

-      Doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that the sins of a
-      father could manifest themselves onto the offspring??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Good one!  I'll be sure to ask my dad and his dad
and his dad and ....

--
Andrew Werling    awerling@nmsu.edu    yip@acca.nmsu.edu
Transmitting from Planet Yip--where everyone you meet 
			      is already dead.
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: gdsimpso@unix.amherst.edu (GILBERTO DANIEL SIMPSON)
Subject: Latino E-Mailing List
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:38:19 GMT

 
        Hola Folks,
 
        Me llamo Gilberto y soy el co-chair de La Causa, el grupo Latino de
Amherst College. I am writing to tell people about a computer mailing list
which was started last semester to try to foster communication between Latino
students (as well as other interested people) across the country. The list has
been relatively successful and has over a hundred subscribers around the world.
        People have used it to share information about social/academic events
held on college campuses, scholarship and research opportunities for Latino/
Hispanic students, and current events connected to Latinos, both in the United 
States and in Latin America.
        The intended focus is on issues of concern to Latino students, but
anyone's input or participation is welcome. The membership is diverse and 
includes people of many different nationalities and occupations. Several members
have connections with other Latino organizations and computer networks and so
this list can give its membership access to a wide range of quick, reliable
information.
        If the list continues to grow, it has the potential to create a large
network of students accross the country and facilitate the progress of la raza.
Its strenth depends on an increasing membership who can take advantage of the
possibilities of electronic communication.  
 
        If you are interested in becoming a subscriber to this e-mailing list,
or if you have comments for thelist administrator,  all you have to do is send
a note to the following address:
 
        LATINO-L-REQUEST@AMHERST.EDU 
and say that you want to join.
 
        While you are subscribed, if you want to send a message to the entire 
membership of the list (like a piece of interesting news, a question you might 
have, an announcement that might benefit Latino students etc.) then write to:
 
        LATINO-L@AMHERST.EDU
 
        In case you are not interested, please forward this file to someone who
you think might want to participate; in that way, you can at least help the list
grow and develop.
 
Hasta Pronto
        -Gilberto       

Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,chi.general,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,rec.scouting,alt.politics.misc
Subject: Trust us
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:16:16 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

Basically, all of this debate about people knowing their own
psychology comes down to something: you are going to have to trust us.

Hey, you can also trust any psychologist/chiatrist worth her/his beans
in the field.  Homosexuals are not sick, child molesters, etc. etc.
I think I know my psychology pretty damn well, spending quite a bit of
my life growing to kill self-esteem/hate, etc.  Just because someone
reads crap about us in the Bible does not mean they are correct.  It
only means that someone finds it necessary to believe a book who never
met us, over our collective experience and knowledge.

--
Andrew Werling   awerling@nmsu.edu   yip@rever.nmsu.edu
"Jesus is coming, look busy."
          --from a button I bought in an Albuquerque bookstore.
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.atheism,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: Discrimination vs. homo/bi: justified?
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 17:36:43 GMT
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) wrote (in article <Bu9nHs.LL9@unix.amherst.edu>):
>In article <hill.715545655@galena12> hill@rtsg.mot.com (Karen Hill) writes:
>>kutem@turtle1.Berkeley.EDU (Jon Kutemeier) writes:
>>>First of all, I'd like to see any quantitative analysis that proves that
>>>homosexuality is a learned behavior.

Hmm.  It just occurred to me -- in order to prove that homosexuality
is a learned behavior, you'd have to provide evidence that children
who live or go to school with homosexuals grow up to be homosexual
themselves, right?  But since studies have shown that the environment
a child grows up in apparently has no bearing on his sexual
orientation, I wonder why the anti-gay contigent keeps trying to
insist that it _does_.

I would guess that since a homosexual person who grows up in an
environment where homosexuality is accepted is much more likely to
come out of the closet than is a homosexual person who grows up in an
environment where homosexuality is only discussed in whispers, this
would make the anti-gays point to the statistics that show many more
gays who have 'come out' when they've grown up in a homosexual family
or a similar environment.  Of course, this means that they consider
gays who haven't 'come out' the same as straights.

>>On the other side of the coin, I'd like see quantitative analysis that
>>proves that it is not a learned behavior.

Scientists have found parts of the brain that are much different in
size in females and gay men than in straight men.  That's the start of
proof, as far as I'm concerned.

>Must be a three-sided coin.  I'd like to see quantitative analysis
>proving that I should really care one way or the other whether it's
>learned or not.

Because, if homosexuality is learned and not inborn, then there's a
chance it could be unlearned or maybe not even learned in the first
place, and people will keep trying to do either of these.  If it's
inborn and not learned, though, then brainwashing will at best be
useless, and at worst really mess up the person.

Will you support politics to 'cure' homosexuals, or will you support
politics to accept them, or will you just sit back and let the rest of
the voters make up your mind for you?

     << Brian >>

-- 
_/_/_/       Brian Kendig  Macintosh Jedi           Live never to be ashamed
 _/_/   Starfleet Captain  Oracle Employee         if anything you do or say
  _/  Intrepid Adventurer  Saturn SL2 Owner    is published around the world
      bskendig@netcom.com  Wizard of Frobozz    -- even if what is published
    Princeton '92! BSE/CS  Writer/Actor/Singer                   is not true.
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From: kogutt@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (KOGUTT  TODD BRADLEY)
Subject: RATTLER TIDE: PLOT KING vs. MANGA MAN (a limited series in n parts)
Followup-To: staff@uscu.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:44:14 GMT


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