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From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Girls? (corrected!
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:13:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: locus.1992Sep08.201342.2205491
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <92249.113247IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>i don't get along with and still find quite unfathomable the
>traditional girly sort of girl or woman, and hate all the
>subtle head games and other stuff.  but i never wanted anything
>other than a girl.  your daughter doesn't HAVE to be some
>fluttery little darling, you know!  mine sure isn't!
>
>                                           -ailsa

Well, having Erin I don't understand the either-or notion of this whole
thing.  As I was commenting to a friend yesterday as my 2 YO daughter was
playing with 8 YO boys (and holding her own), "She's cute as a button and
tough as nails".  We both agreed that this is a good combination for a girl.

Saturday, due to Mitchell's intestinal flu, I had a wonderful opportunity
for some mother/daughter bonding as I took Erin to a wedding.  We curled our
hair together and both wore long dresses.  I taught her how to hold up her
skirt when climbing stairs, we danced the hora (sp?) and the hokey pokey and
generally had a lovely "girl" day.  And I loved every minute of it.  Including
that minute when she did a perfect defensive lineback tackle of the flower
girl ;-)

I suppose I have a more versatile daughter than most.  But you should try
it.  It really IS a good combination.
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: kathyj@pyramid.COM (Kathy Johnson )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: You know you're a parent ....
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:10:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California

In article <Bu9pKy.5Mt@ocsmd.ocs.com>, ted@zeus (Ted Scott) writes:
|> gkl@tse.uucp (Geoff Loker x656) writes:
|> : I've heard it as "teensy weensy spider", "inky dinky spider", "itsy bitsy
|> : spider", and "eensy weensy spider".  Any other variants out there?
|> 
|> Eansey Beansey ! 
|> 
|> The one true spider song :-)
|> 
|> --
|> 
|> -Ted Scott          
|> tscott@ocsmd.ocs.com           I was told that I'm a P.C. person:
|> (301) 601-2252                               Politically Challenged, that is.
No No!  Its inky winky!
-- 
Lost:  One clever .sig file.  Short, witty and sweet.  Reward.
       Does not bite.

       kathyj@pyramid.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Pain Relief in Labour: Ben's Reply
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 13:06:33 GMT

In article <BuL224.2ru@unx.sas.com> sasmlb@pecos.unx.sas.com (Maria Moore) writes:
>
>I am now two days overdue.  And yes I am tired of people, whether they are
>strangers or not, telling me what to do.  I've by far had more people tell me
>that I was crazy not to go for the epidural right away and save myself all the
>pain and grief.  The majority of people I think (no study to prove it though),
>feel that an epidural is completely safe.  Let's forget about the baby and
>possible effects on the baby for a moment.  It isn't completely safe for the
>mother.  

  Me too.  People think I'm stupid because I didn't have an epidural.
  They wouldn't have given me one if I asked for it anyway as I was already
  9-1/2 dilated upon arriving at the hospital.  But people at work say,
  "Why did you have to go through all that unnecessary pain?"  or
  "Next time, get there earlier so you can have an epidural.  Oh don't
  be afraid of needles, it'll only hurt a little when they stick it in.
  It's nothing compared to the labor pain..."  (How would they know?
  They've never experienced the labor pain, as they so eloquently state
  that with the epidural, they felt nothing!)

  (By people, I mean other women who've had babies.  Most men don't
  say anything).

  In fact, they think it's a given in labor and delivery.  At a baby
  shower, when we played pictionary, one of the words was epidural.
  Another was episiotomy.  Ha, ha, I'm glad I didn't have to draw that one!

>Four years ago I had foot surgery.  I considered an eipidural so I
>could be awake and watch the surgery (I know it's gross but I was interested.)
>Anyway, after talking with the anesthesiologiest at length about the risks and
>possible side effects, I opted for a general.  In my case a general had fewer
>risks and side effects than an epidural.  So if there are risks and side effects
>for a nonpregnant woman, I don't see how there can't be at least the same if 
>not more risks  and side effects for a pregnant women and baby.

>
>I personally hope that Ben continues to post informative and well documented
>information to this newsgroup.
>
From: pfieland@citron.sw.stratus.com (Peggy Fieland)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 2 kids + hand-me-down toys = trouble
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:49:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <17063@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:
>Well, the subject says it. Some of our Brendan's (6) old toys have
>been handed down to Sean (2), and there is occasional squabbling
>over them. We try to follow a policy in our house of having each
>toy have a definitive owner who has "rights of possession" (i.e.,
>can ask for it back any time). But with the hand-me-down toys it's
>really hard for Brendan to understand a change of "ownership". 

Good luck on this one.  This is a tough issue.  We generally follow
a non-ownership policy in our house, which makes this sort of
fight much easier.  Our house policy is that if you're using it,
you get to keep using it for a reasonable time.  There are
some exceptions, for favorite stuffed animals, for example.
This has worked pretty well for us.


>
>Should we (a) explain to Brendan that these toys now belong to Sean
>and Sean "owns" them, (b) avoid the whole issue from now on by
>giving Brendan's old toys away instead of handing them down, or
>(c) doing something else?

From your story, it sounds like you're doing pretty well.  My
personal inclination would be to keep to your present policy, since
it's working pretty well for you, and tell Brendan that these toys
belong to Sean now.


Peggy
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From: wwolf@zooid.guild.org (White Wolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 10 Sep 92 07:53:06 GMT

From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
>Yes, I really am posting this to two different lists, but it really does
>have to do with both of them.
>
>My wife and I are expecting our first child in February.  If it's a girl,
>we've decided to name her Devra Marie.  We haven't had many problems with
>that one aside from the occasional "What an unusual name," or "But she won't
>be able to get license plates off the rack in the store like other kids," or
 
     My niece, Paisley Rose McLeod, just recieved a new brother last Thursday,
Hunter Glenn McLeod.
 
     As you may have guessed, my sister's into different-than average names.
 
     What I can tell you is this, regardless of whatever initial reaction you
get from relatives and friends, feel free to give your kid a unique name but
remember to temper it with good taste. Furthermore, try and pretend that
you're a cruel child and come up with any realy nasty nicknames you can ie if
your considering a specific name, try and imagine how it could be warped by
cruel schoolmates in later life.
 
     Personally, I think Geordi Levar might be a little in the overkill
department in that it leaves little doubt where the inspiration came from. I'd
suggest one or the other with a non-Trek-related name as middle name. 
 
                             White Wolf
 
               (a guy who grew up with the name "Howard" and you can just
imagine the type of taunting that name can get...)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: minx@access.digex.com (minx)
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re: Justin...)
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:40:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.221109.2209091@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>IF you had been speaking the truth, no one would have been angry.  But you 
>were speaking in broad generalizations blown way out of proportion.  Here,
>look at what you wrote again.
>
>>All drugs taken 
>>during labor and delivery can have bad effects.  
>
>ALL DRUGS!  Are you sure about this?  A glass of wine drunk early in labor
>is going to have a deleterious effect?  A tylenol taken during transition
>is going to have a delterious effect?  

I don't think she was doing that at all!  I think she was right.  ALL drugs
taken during labor and delivery CAN have bad effects.  A glass of wine CAN
cause problems.  A tylenol CAN cause problems.  

>NO!  ALL DRUGS taken during delivery cannot have bad effects.  

Yes they can.  What if you are allergic to them?  What if your baby is
allergic to them?  Sure, the chances of that happening are really low, but
there IS a chance.  There IS something you should think about before you
take anything, whether you are pregnant, in labor, or just have a headache.
>
>Now, if you wanted to say, "Many drugs commonly used during delivery and
>thought to be harmless may have more onerous side effects than some people
>suspect and therefore it is important to research any and all drugs you
>choose to take (not just in labor, folks)" I don't think anyone would
>have been angry.

I think that's exactly what Mikki said.  

>But you used a very broad brush stroke here and painted a whole lot of women
>as "scum" for using something which could hurt their babies.  And that is
>just patently false.  And that is why we/they are angry.

I didn't read her as saying that at all.  Re read what she said below:

>>It's part of the 
>>informational process necessary to make an informed decision as to whether or 
>>not you want to use them.  
>>
>>IMHO, it's very short sighted of people to not make absolutely sure they know 
>>the costs vs. the benefits of each and every possible intervention.  You owe 
>>it to yourself, and you owe it to your baby.

>Absolutely.  The REAL costs vs. benefits, not anti-medication hysteria!

If you read what she posted before from that midwife book, it looked to
me to be really balanced, and not "anti medication hysteria" at all.

I took some demerol when I was 7cm.  Nobody told me that it might slow
the labor.  Nobody told me that it might make my baby sleepy.  They just
told me they were going to "give me something for the pain".  I wish I
had known beforehand.  I'm also glad that they didn't decide to push
an epidural on me, although they tried.  

Minx
From: sdreynol@isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:19:01 GMT
Reply-To: sdreynol@maxwell.isi.edu (Sam D Reynolds)
Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute

(Anita Graham) writes:

>Sure, heavy smokers have little babies, and foetal alcohol syndrome exists
>- but these relate to HEAVY HEAVY smokers and total alcoholics don't they.
>Not someone who just has to have a smoke every now and then, or has a glass
>of wine once a week when they go out to dinner (*), or even has regular
>cups of tea or coffee.

Heavy drinkers place their children at a MUCH greater risk of fetal
alcohol syndrome (FAS) than occasional drinkers but studies indicate
that the occasional drinker also places her child at risk.  An analogy
that comes to mind is the parent who allows her child to cross the
street without looking both ways.  The parent justifies her lack of
parental concern by suggesting that kids only get run over on VERY
VERY busy streets.

I also disagree with your statements regarding caffeine and smoking
but will yield to others with greater knowledge of the
physiological/biochemical effects of those substances on the fetus.
(I just couldn't help but put in my 2 cents regarding alcohol).

In my opinion, women who drink alcohol during pregnancy (even in
moderation) are more concerned with their short term enjoyment rather
than their childs long term development.  IF YOU ARE PREGNANT, PLEASE
DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOL!

Respectively,
Sam Reynolds

PS. Moderation is a fine thing taken in moderation.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Subject: SMART things they do
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 01:41:56 GMT

Since Erin is a slow talker and extremely stubborn, we have often wondered
at her intelligence level.  I will confess to adjusting myself to having
an "average" child which is perfectly okay, but not what Ron and I expected
given the genetic predispositions of both our families.  As it turns out,
I seem to have been adjusting unnecessarily.

Sunday I was lying on my bed bouncing Mitchell on my feet (in the air).  This
is one of Erin's all time most favorite things in the whole world.  She
entered the room and appraised the situation.  She then went over to the fan
and started letting the fan blow her hair while she hung onto the table (where
the fan sat).  Soon Mitchell saw her and decided that HE had to have that
coveted spot at the table where the fan would blow HIS hair.  In 2 seconds
Erin was on my feet with the biggest grin on her face.  She may not talk much,
but she can sure outsmart her big brother!

I was SO impressed.  And it was kind of funny to watch how Mitchell took
having been outwitted and turned it into a game.  Pretty soon the two of
them were racing from the fan to my feet with a series of interesting steps
that I could never put into words.  

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: Bob_Daye@mindlink.bc.ca (Bob Daye)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Pacifiers
Date: 8 Sep 92 02:37:59 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Does anyone out there have any suggestions what to do about a three week old
girl who refuses to take a pacifier but will glom on to Mom's breast or Dad's
index finger for hours??? It can take her quite a while to fall asleep.
Tired in Vancouver...

--BOB
From: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A Cute Toddler and Cat Story
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:01:05 GMT
Reply-To: sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King)
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Software Technology Research Lab, Tektronix, Inc.

In article <18nsbbINNpvp@network.ucsd.edu>, dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:

[Cute story deleted]

I have one to share!

Our cats both disappeared about one year ago (coyotes, we think) and we
didn't replace them immediately.  We have a 2.75 yo boy and 1.25 yo girl,
so things are too hectic to include the care of a feline.

Well, I got the urge to get a cat and purchased one a few weeks ago.
Patrick has been quite interested in our new addition (his name is Giro
- after the bike race - don't ask...).  During the same period Patrick
has been going through potty training.  We use the neighbor kids as examples
of "big boys" and "big girls."  We use his playmates as examples.  We also
use Giro as an example.

Today Katherine was asking Patrick "Where do big boys go potty?" after
he wet his underwear.  He replied "In the litter box!"

Perhaps it would be easier to box train the kid...  :^)
 
Steven (sjk@strl.labs.tek.com)

"Sometimes if you have a cappuccino and then try again it will work OK."
(Dr. Brian Reid)  "Sometimes one cappuccino isn't enough." (Marcus Ranum)
"A double vanilla latte always works."  (Me)
From: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Trick-or-treating; what age?
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:00:41 GMT
Reply-To: cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper)
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD


I was just wondering, at what age did you take your first child
trick-or-treating?  My daughter will be just over 2 this halloween,
and I'm not sure whether to take her or not.  I tend to think not, but
2 years ago my sister and I took her 25 month old trick-or-treating,
and he really enjoyed it.  He was also able to get excited about it
ahead of time, and I'm not sure my daughter would understand enough
to get excited.

				       Lynn Cooper
From: carnes@ico.isc.com (Steve Carnes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:05:09 GMT
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO


	kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>It's the boy's name that a few, and I'll admit it really is only a few,
>people have given us some grief over.  As a result, Cheryl wanted me to poll
>you people...on BOTH newsgroups...to see what you think.
>
>The name we've been considering is Geordie LeVar.

My opinion?  It's *your* kid, *your* choice of names.  What others feel
should be of no importance.  If you like the name (and I do too, btw) then
name him that and the rest of the world be damned.  If people give you
grief, look them in the eye and tell them it's none of their business.
(Assuming the worst and your child does degenerate into an investment
banker, he can always go by his initials if that would help!)

And besides, it's a lot better than "Moon Unit."
-- 
Steve Carnes       carnes@ico.isc.com        uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes
   "Rock gives reality to the otherwise abstract notion of transhuman
    time." - Edward Abbey
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters)
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Keywords: how much?
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:19:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.172737.14557@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> hildin@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kathleen.a.hildin) writes:
>
>I've been reading this newsgroup for quite a while
>now and found it to be full of useful information.
>I'm very happy to announce that I'm 16 weeks pregnant.
>I've been off caffeine since before I got pregnant - and haven't
>missed it.  But now I find I would really love to have a cup!
>What I was wondering was how much caffeine would/would not
>be considered safe during pregnancy?  I've consulted 
>_What to Expect When You're Expecting_, and when I went
>for my first prenatal I told my doctor I was off caffeine
>so she didn't say much about it.
>So..... I was wondering if I could get some hands-on advice (so to speak).
>How many of you mothers-to-be, and mothers out there have
>had caffeine during your pregnancy?
>How much caffeine does decaf coffee have?
>
>Any input would be greatly appreciated!
>Thanks.
>
>Kathy (due Feb, 93!)
>

I too was worried about caffeine.  I have read that up to three cups of coffee
(or the equivilant) is ok.  Still coffee is one of those things that the mere
smell of it makes me want to heave so I have had no trouble skipping it
totally.  Diet soda, on the other hand, I haven't been able to do without.
Everyone I've talked to in the health care office says one or two servings of
Nutrasweet is ok, but saccarhine is OUT totally.  That is what I've followed.
I don't drink the decaf version all the time, but do try to keep the intake
low and I skipped it entirely for the first 2 or 3 months.  That seems to be
the time where most things can affect the fetal development.

There is a book I just saw advertised by (I think) Facts On File.  It is
titled I-don't-know-what, but the jist of it is "Things that can affect
your unborn child".  If I can track down the catalog, I'll post it.  FOF
books are not ones you are likely to find in normal bookstores :-( I'm
not sure what it's like as I only saw the catalog entry, but FOF does some
good stuff.               

Mary Anne

--
--Mary Anne  
"What we have once enjoyed and deeply loved we can never lose, for all
that we love deeply becomes a part of us."  Helen Keller
                                                 [for Alexander]
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Drugs in Labor
Date: 11 Sep 1992 14:33:55 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Sep10.160206.8407@informix.com>, alison@husky.informix (Alison Suggs) writes:
...
|> On a side note, when people say they had a "70-hour" or a "12-hour" labor,
|> what are they counting as the begining of labor?  I generally say my labor
|> was 10 hours long, since that is how long I had to use breathing to get 
|> through the contractions.  If I count from when I started having regular
|> contractions, it was more like 60 hours.

I count from the time it was impossible to sleep through a contraction. I 
didn't really have to use any special techniques such as breathing to deal 
with the pain for the first couple of hours, though. I had had regular contractions I could sleep through for about twelve hours, but they
were caused by the prostaglandin gel induction which had produced 
contractions that petered out on previous occasions.

My friend with the short, relatively easy labor counts from the time her 
water broke, before any contractions occurred.

Paula
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: bl@pacersoft.com (Bill)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Diaper Rash
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:46:24 GMT
Organization: Pacer Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.204553.21357@cs.ucla.edu>, grace@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Grace Chen-Ellis) writes:
> 
> In article <11SEP199213421427@trentu.ca> bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE) writes:
> >Eric Quackenbush writes:
> >
> >When our kids have had a rash we've sometimes put them in training
> >pants and/or track pants. It becomes *instantly* obvious when they
> >need to be changed, so they're never wet for more than a minute.
> >Meanwhile there's lots of air circulation to promote healing, and
> >the house is at least a little bit protected. (Poop tends to be
> >contained and less pee reaches the floor. :-) )
> >
> 
> We put our daughter in huggies pull-up pants (which were too large)
> for the same reason -- they were looser than diapers, very obvious
> when she went and gave the house more protection than training pants.
> grace
> 
 Several months back, my son developed a rash after having a bought of diahrea.
The rash developed very quickly and was so bad that he could not sit in the 
tub, when he tried, he shrieked in pain and then didn't make any noise with 
his mouth open with tears starting to form in his eyes.  It tore my heart out 
seeing him like that. :-(
Our ped said to use hydrocortisone (sp?) on our son's rash with a layer of 
vaseline over the hydrocortisone to keep the moisture away from the rash.
I asked our pharmacist (CVS) which brand to purchase.  He asked why I needed
it.  After explaining the situation, he said to use a brand that had 1/2% or 
or less hydracordisone in it because the regular amount is too strong for a
baby's skin.  We used his regular disposable diapers.
I gotta tell ya!  This worked overnight, if not immediately.  His face showed 
instant relief when we applied the combo.  The next morning, when I changed him, 
his rash showed vast improvement and was pretty much a non-issue by that night.
:-))))))))

Bill (father to Chase 22 months)

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