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From: met48546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marc E. Talbot)
Subject: Re: Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER #60 of 80
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:55:41 GMT

As a physics student, I'd like to point out that much of the
technology described in this letter is very unrealistic.  Does 
whoever's posting this stuff really believe it?

Several points:
1.  Someone a couple weeks ago asked where Beter actually made any predictions
that were wrong in his letters.  One might point to his predicting that Reagan
would be removed from office and replaced with the "Bolshevik" Bush (Beter
distinctly said that we would be told Reagan was ill or dead).
2.  This stuff about planting underwater missiles around the US.  What's the
point?  Both US and Soviet submarines have been more than capable of launching
very effective first strikes at each other.  What would be the point of putting
more missiles off-shore, especially in places where you can't guard them?  It
doesn't make any sense from a military point of view.
3.  If we were installing underwater missiles, and the public was being told
that we were drilling for oil, don't you think one of the "drillers" would
have talked by now?  Think of the number of people that would have to have
been involved.  How do you silence all of them.
4.  This electro-gravitic cosmosphere thing.  Does Beter give any more 
specific details in another of his letters?  I generally don't read them,
but I had a little extra time today.  I find it hard to believe that the
Soviets would/could discover some physical principal that is so TOTALLY
revolutionary, and then not put it into use in industry.  Most non-explosive
technology developed for/by the military has a wide range of uses in 
industry.  You'd think that a country that was in as bad shape as the USSR
would have been eager to introduce new technology into industry.  If they
were holding out for military purposes, why wouldn't they start using it now
that they are less threatened militarily?  Why wouldn't they sell this
technology to the US?  Our government would pay a fortune for it.
Another thing, I've met a number of Soviet physicists (although I've never and
certainly won't degrade myself by asking about this cosmoshere thing :-)).
When they come to our research facilities, the thing that has always amazed
them was our computer technology.  They are at least a good 10 years behind
us right now (which is quite a ways when we are talking about chip technology).
The frightening thing is that their missile systems are controlled by these
same computers...

BTW, someone asked this before, and I don't think they got an answer.
What would it take for those who believe Beter to change thier minds about
him?  What sort of evidence is acceptable if I were to make a serious 
attempt to convince you he was either nuts or a good story-teller?

Marc Talbot

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc
From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs
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Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1993 13:42:49 GMT

Publius (pub@riscee.pko.dec.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec28.053547.18160@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Bra
d Pierce) writes:
: >
: >   "+ The `servant of the high priest' who accompanied Judas in leading
: >      authorities to arrest Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane may have
: >      been the Apostle Paul himself before his conversion.
:
: This only shows how little the author knows the history.  Apostle Paul
: was a Pharisee before his regeneration, and everyone who has the
: slightest idea of the history of that period knows that Pharisees
: were the bitter political as well as theological enemies of the high
: priest.

If the "Pharisees were the bitter political as well as theological enemies of 
the high priest", then how could Saul approach the high priest and get letters 
of introduction to distant Jewish communities for the purpose of persecution of
the Christians?

For that matter, why does Paul never claim that he was a student of Gamaliel 
even when he is at his most autobiographical?  Only Acts, Luke, makes this 
claim for Paul.

:
: >        ... By
: >      unfairly blaming the Jews, the Gospel stories precipitated 2,000
: >      years of Christian antisemitism.
:
: The Gospel stories never blame the Jews for the condemnation of Jesus.
: Gospels blame the Roman-appointed high priest for that crime.  Anyone
: who has the slightest idea of the history knows that the high priests in
: that period were Roman puppets hated by the rabbis and the Jewish populace.
: By equating the high priest with the Jews, the critics have exposed their own
: total ignorance of the history.

My understanding is that the Sanhedrin was composed of both Pharisees and
Sadducees, thus they were the representatives of all the Jews when they 
condemned JC (Matt 26:57-68, Mark 14:53-65, Luke 22:66-71).
-- 
Mike McAngus                    |You are a fluke of the Universe.  You have no 
mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org            |right to be here, and whether you can hear it
The Truth is still the Truth    |or not the Universe is laughing behind your 
Even if you choose to ignore it.|back.  -- National Lampoon, Deteriorata
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: cole@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Sandra Stewart-Cole)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:51:29 GMT


There is a failure in those applauding the recent pardons to recognize the real
nature of the investigations. The actual actions of the Reagan Administration 
in selling arms or even in secretly funding the Contras is no longer an issue 
in any case. The legality or illegality of those actions has never been 
suffuiciently tested, and probably never will be. The issue is now coverup. The
common phraseology of the Reagan partisans in this issue is that Walsh is 
"criminalizing policy differences" HOGWASH! What Walsh was trying to prosecute
Weinberger et al. for is simple lying to hide actions that may or may not have
been illegal. The act of hiding evidence from a federal prosecutor or lying to
Congress in the position of a cabinet secretary is simply illegal, and has 
nothing to do with policy differences, unless we determine that somehow someone
in the White House decided that hoodwinking Congress is good policy (in which 
case is is a legitimately criminalized policy matter) Weinberger hid evidence 
in a criminal investigation. If you or I did so, we'd be prosecuted. 

The one satisfaction for those of us who believe that the men who run our 
governmment should obey the law is that Bush cannot pardon himself, and ther is
some evidence that Bush himself lied to Walsh and to the Congress. Why he lied
is irrelevant. He will likely have no friendly occupant of the White House to 
let him off. It's a sad commentary on the morals of our politician that in the
end the most prominent conviction of this whole thing may be that of the great
proponent of family values and morality being convicted of decieving Congress 
and misleading a criminal investigation. 
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13513 talk.politics.misc:65560
From: muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah)
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:50:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.203913.12465@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.053547.18160@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>>   "+ The `servant of the high priest' who accompanied Judas in leading
>>      authorities to arrest Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane may have
>>      been the Apostle Paul himself before his conversion.
>This only shows how little the author knows the history.  Apostle Paul
>was a Pharisee before his regeneration, and everyone who has the
>slightest idea of the history of that period knows that Pharisees
>were the bitter political as well as theological enemies of the high
>priest.

I doubt all the Pharisees hated the high priest.  The Romans ruled with an
iron fist and the worst they could have done was deny religious freedom
to the Jews (like they had done in many other places of their empire).  I
think part of the concessions were that the Romans have a part (read "control")
in the religous activities.  I doubt this arrangement could have been made
if there wasn't tacit approval of the Pharisees (much like the Sadducees).
Please correct me if you think I'm wrong here.

>The Gospel stories never blame the Jews for the condemnation of Jesus.

Well, the picture drawn is that Pilate judged by noise of the mob (later
taken to be the vast majority of Jews) outside.  To begin with Pilate would
have been instantaneoulsy fired by the Romans (I have read that Pilate was
really a Gaul) if he didn't follow Roman laws to the dot, which also included
crucifying seducers and most of all not giving into so-called mobs.  There
must have been a very brief trial.

>Gospels blame the Roman-appointed high priest for that crime.  Anyone
>who has the slightest idea of the history knows that the high priests in
>that period were Roman puppets hated by the rabbis and the Jewish populace.

Agreed (on condition of my statement above) on your last sentence.  As
to whom the gospel blame, I think it can anyone of either the mob outside,
the Pharisees, the high priest, or even the whole of the religious establishment 
of that time.
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:51:15 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <BzzH4s.M60@well.sf.ca.us>, sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) writes:
> 
> Please circulate this to other relevant usenet conferences thankyou.
> 
> Letters Editor
> San Francisco Chronicle
> 
> I applaud President Bush's pardon of Cap Weinberger and the others.  It is
> not a question that these patriots are "above the law" as President Clinton
> fears. The real issue is justice and the balance of power between the
> Congress and the Executive. Nazi Germany made racial laws, were they just?
> The Boland ammendment is such an unjust law that cripples the Presidency.
> 
[deleted]

> Jack Sarfatti
> 
It is bad enough but certainly not unexpected that Bush issued these
pardons.  But it is truly pathetic that he praises criminal activity
as patriotic.  That he would issue the pardons on Christmas eve to
minimize public awareness of his action speaks volumes about the
character of the man.

-Joe Gaut
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: cooper@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen)
Subject: Re: Paul
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 12:42:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.114251.2607@dct.ac.uk>, ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) writes:
> Yesterday,
> Airport Customs took my drugs away.
> Ten thousand pounds a lot of fine to pay
> But I earn ten times
> As much a day...

No no, you got it all wrong! it's:

Syphilis, 
Oh it started with a little kiss,
now I find it very hard to piss,
Oh how I hate my syphilis.

Leprosy,
I'm not half the man I used to be,
Bits 'n pieces falling of of me,
Oh how I hate my leprosy

--Ralph
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,sci.space.shuttle,alt.fan.lemurs
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: STS-1 Disaster -- follow-up #3
Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 14:03:13 GMT

In article <30DEC199208300788@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI) writes:
>
>I guess I latched on late to this big conspiricy discussion of STS-1;  
>could someone please repost the original theory of just what the hypothesis 
>was?
>
>I'm getting the feeling that someone feels that Columbia never returned 
>from space, and that the Enterprise was relabeled Columbia and returned to 
>Edwards after being released off of the 747 carrier.
>
>I guess this much is believable, but if Crippen and Young were on the true 
>Columbia when it was launched, who pilotted the Enterprise in?
 
According to the conspiracy theorists, the Columbia was destroyed after
launch by Russian space war satellites and thus the "Columbia" that landed
was really the Enterprise manned by clones.  I think the lemurs were all
behind it.
From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Wagner and Jews?
Followup-To: misc.test,alt.test
Date: 25 Dec 1992 17:31:41 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <7203@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> sekey@engrhub.ucsb.edu (Andrew Sekey) writes:
>>Hitler regarded Wagner's music as THE prime inspiration for his awful work.
>
>Torquemada regarded Jesus Christ as the prime inspiration for the Spanish
>Inquisition, murdering and torturing countless innocent victims. Should
>Christ therefore be banned?

A straight line.... oooooohhhhhh, what a straight line....

							spl

-- 
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
Where is the summer, the unimaginable
Zero summer?                 - T.S. Eliot, "Little Gidding"
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13511 talk.politics.misc:65558
From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "Moonraker" -- fact or fiction?
Date: 2 Jan 1993 20:54:23 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <11368@prijat.cs.uofs.edu> bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>There is much basis for belief that Ian Fleming based his character on some
>real person, but the movies are pure hogwash.

There, in fact, was indeed a James Bond upon whom Fleming based his
fictional character.  Of course, he was a British botanist or some
such but...

							spl
-- 
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"Living alone is living in perpetual irony and thinking, more and more
frequently, Why not."   - Joyce Carol Oates, "The Boyfriend"
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.pol
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:46:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.134027.25084@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes:
>But aren't we talking about foreign policy though?  Besides the ability
>to declare war, what foreign policy powers are given to Congress in the
>Constitution?

Well, for one thing, there's that little clause about treaties.


--Mike



-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"I'm waiting for the one-man revolution
mnemonic@eff.org| The only one that's coming."
(617) 864-0665  |                           
EFF, Cambridge  |                   --Robert Frost 
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13364 talk.politics.misc:65194
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Biological warfare
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 16:33:09 GMT

---------------------  FORWARDED POSTING  -----------------------------
/* Written  5:15 pm  Dec  3, 1992 by worldpnews@igc.apc.org in igc:worldp.samples */
/* ---------- "USA: Biological warfare" ---------- */
>From WORLD PERSPECTIVES. Box 3074, Madison, WI 53704


USA
 The following interview with Andrew Kimbrell of the Foundation for
Economic Trends comes from R. Australia:

"All the areas of military research: chemical, biological,
electronic, are now being wound down but still present enormous
environmental health threats to the American public. These weapons
and research projects which are geared towards destroying our
opponents represent a threat to us.

"A very good example is the continued research in biological
warfare. Most of us probably thought in 1972, when President Nixon
signed the Biological Warfare Convention with dozens of other
nations, that the biological warfare threat was something of the
past. Not so.

"In the 1980's, the Reagan-Bush administration increased federal
spending on biological warfare by 500%. In the Carter years we
spent $15-16 million a year on biological warfare research, but in
the 80's it grew to well over $100 million. In the 1970's, there
was very limited research and just a few biological warfare agents
in one or two facilities. By the 1980's, we had over 125 facilities
working on the most dangerous pathogens known to man throughout the
country. In places like Yale University, for instance, which are
right in the middle of very dense populations. These facilities
were not simply working with these dangerous diseases, with those
pathogenic bacteria, but they were also genetically engineering
them to enhance the danger of their toxins.

"What we did here was through court action to force the
administration to do environmental assessments on the environmental
and health impacts of these research facilities, and we had to go
to court three times to get the Reagan and Bush administrations to
finally obey our laws and give the American public some feeling of
what was actually going on in our communities.

"We have also been successful in getting Congress to limit the
kinds of experiments our government is doing on biological warfare.
They have been spending tax payers dollars on manufacturing faster-
acting toxins. After years of lobbying and working with Congress on
this issue, we got regulations passed that they can only do
research on biological agents that intelligence has shown another
country is working on. So we can no longer work on any biological
weapon we wish, but rather we are in a position where they have to
show that they are working with biological warfare agents that may
actually become a threat to the American people."

===================================================================

--------------  END OF FORWARDED POSTING  ---------------------------
From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Bohemian Grove (was: Re: Bohemian Party???)
Date: 2 Jan 1993 21:53:49 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <C0321n.7vp@boi.hp.com> hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) writes:
>It was, allegedly, at one Bohemian Grove gathering where someone first
>noticed that George Schultz had a tattoo of a tiger on his rear end...

... and thereby hangs a tail...

							spl
-- 
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"Living alone is living in perpetual irony and thinking, more and more
frequently, Why not."   - Joyce Carol Oates, "The Boyfriend"
From: al@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (haus der luge)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Exposed Again
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 22:40:12 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

 
This message will, of course, be of particular interest to any members of 
GURTA.
 
The Greenland operation is apparently running well.  The director of 
operations is retired Colonel P. Hazig, as we had suspected.
 
According to 'leaked' documents, the ETF's have been maintaining their 
side of the contract in regards to releasing technological information.  
Apparently, all received information is being sent FYO to another 
commission (likely Space Sciences) set up in Seattle or possibly New 
Mexico, and information security has remained at the most extreme levels.
 
Communications seem to have been hampered in some respects however, as 
the ETFs have been reported by local agencies to be working at some sort 
of clandestine OGU for over a month now, presumably conducting some sort 
of test within the earth's atmosphere - often over Sweden for whatever 
reason we can only speculate.
 
GURTA will keep you posted.
 
----------------------------------ENDPOST

Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13492 alt.discordia:607
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.discordia
Subject: Re: Bohemian Party???
Date: 29 Dec 92 02:46:08 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan) writes:
: In article <1992Dec19.011532.28045@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
: >In article <1992Dec14.084641.16462@u.washington.edu> pirone@milton.u.washington.edu (cocteau) writes:
: >>
: >>howdy,
: >> 
: >>   has anyone heard of the 'Bohemian' party or gathering
: >>   that is supposed to take place once a year or once every
: >>   four years near or on the Russian river in california.
: >>   Supposedly this gathering includes top officials of 
: >>   U.S. government, banking, industry, AND the media.
: >>   This is the second time i've posted looking for info
: >>   on this topic, if you know anything or have just 'heard
: >>   of it' like i have, please email me or post.
: >>
: >
: >sounds to my like whoever told you this had just finished Illuminatus 
: >Trilogy and was looking to see who he could get to believe this kinda
: >stuff.
: >
: >
: 
: Actually, it sounds like the "Bilderberger" get togethers. Except that the
: location of these is not made public til after the meeting. No one
: knows what goes on at these, but the people who attend. They are called
: "Bilerbergers", since they held their early meetings at the Bilderberg
: Hotel. See Neal Wilgus's "The Illuminoids" for more details.
: 
: Pax
: Have a Year!
: 					--Judex-                 



No, actually the Bohemian Grove get-togethers are a fact; it was

at one a these clambakes that Richard Nixon got his start.  I have
some info on this somewhere; I'll try to find it and post more,
less
somebody beats me to it.

Bill
-
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Does FBI still ignore Cosa Nostra?
Keywords: FBI, Mafia
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 11:33:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.182616.4854@stiatl.salestech.com> gst@stiatl.salestech.com (Greg Tucker) writes:
>    We know that Herbert Hoover vigorously pursued
>civil rights activists, bank robbers, and communists
>during the 50's and 60's while ignoring and even
>denying the existence of the Mafia.

	I think you mean J.Edgar Hoover.  Herbert Hoover
	was dead by this time.  The Mafia had actually
	done a very good job of going underground and
	they were quietly earning the dishonest dollar
	until an astute copper in New Jersey (I think)
	stumbled upon a meeting of Capos.


>
>    We know that the FBI is currently still engaged
>in campaigns against environmentalists,  Indian
>rights activists, and other rights groups.
>
>    My question for netland is "Does the FBI still
>have a hands off approach to the Mafia?"
>(From my perspective it appears that they do.)

	From my perspective it appears that they
	don't.  Recent cases, including that against
	John Gotti have badly hurt the Mafia, especially
	in the North-East.

>
>    Second question: Why do they have a hands off
>approach? Have they been bribed? Blackmailed?
>During Hoover's time, anyone who persued the Mafia
>became Agent Non-Grata and was demoted. Is this
>still true? Does the Mafia have control of the
>higher echelons of the FBI and CIA?
>
	Second question is irrelevant in the light
	of my answer to first.

	Alec Chambers.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,sci.space.shuttle