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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: FDR and Pearl Harbor
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:32:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Rochester
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <1992Oct15.105307.2263@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, dylan@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Dylan) writes:
|> In article <TRIF.92Oct14185043@bike.rad.washington.edu>, 
|> trif@bike.rad.washington.edu (To Run In Fear) writes:
|> 
|> Not to mention that a delegation from the Japanese Embassy requested to see
|> the Secretary of State the day before Pearl Harbor, and were kept waiting
|> for something like 6 hours.  They were going to give their intentions to
|> the Secretary, who, I guess, wanted to be 'surprised'

Nope.  The Japanese were to announce the declaration of war on december 7,
just before the attack.  Having cracked the japanese code months before,
the Americans were able to decode the orders that were sent to
the japanese embassy before the Japanese could.  So the Secretary of
State was waiting for them to come in and announce it.  It took so 
long for the Japanese to decode the message that they did not announce
the declaration of war until after Pearl Harbor had been attacked.  The
official reason that Pearl could not be warned by radio was because
of atmospheric disturbances.  So a western union telegram was sent
and didn't arrive until after the attack had begun.  

However, by coincidence(??), the most important part of our fleet,
the carriers, was not in Pearl Harbor during the attack.  And most
of the sunken ships were easily raised afterwards.  So, it is 
concievable that we knew in advance.

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: rint69@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (rintoul bradley e)
Subject: NLCS FIXED!!!!
Summary: gambling
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:03:23 GMT
Keywords: fixed

It really saddens me that so damn many
Americans actually believe that the players
in the NLCS were trying their hardest
to win. C'mon, 7 games and then an ending
like that?! 
Can anyone say $1 billion and Las Vegas?



Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion,talk.bizarre,talk.politics.guns
From: grendel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alyosha Bourgea)
Subject: Re: A Technical Request
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:53:03 GMT

In <1992Oct13.203016.28880@csc.ti.com> dpage@ra.csc.ti.com (Doug Page) writes:

>In article <1bcvqjINNc48@network.ucsd.edu>, spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
>|> In article <1992Oct12.164325.11596@walter.cray.com> jcarroll@ferris.cray.com (Jeff Carroll) writes:
>|> >1. define "politics of exclusion, division, and fear". give examples.
>|> 
>|> Willie Horton.  The Nixon "Southern Strategy."  "Family values."  Pat
>|> Buchannan's (sp?) "Culture war."  David Duke.  The 1992 Republican
>|> Party platform.

>You forgot Clinton's "Pro-Choice" and the 1992 Democrat Party platform

Explain, please, why favoring abortion rights constitutes politics of
exclusion, division, and fear.  Likewise the Dem platform.



Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ksjwr@acad3.alaska.edu (REDELSS JOHN W)
Subject: Bo Gritz not white supremacist
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Keywords: Bo Gritz, white supremacist, anti-Semite
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:49:00 GMT

I got some campaign literature today in the mail today from the Bo Gritz
organization.  The last page reads:

       	"RANDY WEAVER - THE TRUTH HAS TO BE TOLD

	This story must be told to the world in truth.  The media, particularly
the newsprint, has totally distorted the truth of this matter.  While the
newspaper focused falsely on Bo's supposed membership in Christian Identity, or
a leader of White supremacy or giving the Nazi salute the truth is that Bo is
NOT [emphasis in original] a member of any white supremacy group and he did NOT
give the Nazi salute.  Bo's father was killed by the Nazi's."

	Also, I would like to add something else I have discovered today.  I
called a friend that I know from my church today who informed me that Bo Gritz
is a member of our church, Mormon.  I have been a member of this church for
thirty years, and in all that time I have never met ONE person that I felt was
white supremacist or anti-Semite.  Further, I am particularly sensitive on 
these subjects because I have an hispanic wife of fifteen years and three
hispanic children.  Further, as a matter of church doctrine, Latter-day Saints
believe themselves to be literal descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  This
is why I have never met a single Mormon that was anti-Semitic.

	Bo Gritz is not a white supremacist nor is he a Jew hater.  Information
to the contrary is probably the results of a deliberate disinformation
campaign.

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From: rick@howtek.UUCP (Rick Roy)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: ARF's Recommendation - Washington Report
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:12:21 GMT
Reply-To: rick@howtek.UUCP (Rick Roy)
Organization: Howtek, Inc.
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <1992Oct6.084553.1377@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> (alt.conspiracy,misc.headlines), f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
] About four or five weeks ago Jack Schmidling posted some information
] on a magazine entitled "The Washington Report On Middle East Affairs".
] Since ARF's comments on the net seem to generate lively discussions
] at times and occasional vituperative flames, I sent off for a copy
] as much out of curiosity as anything else.
] 
] To my surprise, I received a well-written quality publication that
] offered many worthwhile viewpoints and news reports that you are not
] likely to see or hear in our highly filtered news media.  Whether
] one agrees with all of the reports given or not, and who ever does in
] reading any magazine, they are often informative and thought provoking.
] 
] Thanks, Jack, for the recommendation.
] 
] Joe Gaut

Actually, I had exactly the same reaction. Since there was an 800
number and a free copy, I realized I had nothing to lose but my ignorance
(don't worry, there's always enough to go around). ;)

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Disclaimer:  These are my views only . They may not be the views of my
employer. When I asked if my employer had views, I was told "No comment."
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From: techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,phl.misc,pa.general,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Al Gores "scintific" proof
Date: 11 Oct 92 10:05:37 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

part 3 of 3 parts Al's easy answer
  After detailing similarly catastrophic threats to mankind's future because 
of deforestation, air and water polution, ozone depletion, and 
overpopulation. Gore offers his solution. Calling for a "Global Marshall 
PLan" and a "Strategic Environmental Initiative," he wants new taxes on 
oil,coal,minerals and wood, new global environmenta; regulations, enforced 
population stabilization, new environmental treaties, new ways to assess, 
technology's effect on the environment, a phaseout of the internal combustion 
engine, and a long list of other new governmntal powers. His plans would cost 
at least $100 Billion, seriously hamper industrial activity, and cost the 
jobs of hundreds of thousands.
    What Gore prescribes is a virtual totalitarian governmant. Yet his book 
carries some vivid descriptions of the environmental devastation produced 
under total government control in the former communist nations of Romania, 
Czechoslovakia, and Ukraine (remeber thisis where a nuclear power plant blew 
up?). He knows what total government did in that area of the world. Are we to 
belive that his type of total government would bring different results?
   Early in Earth In the Balance, Gore recalls pedling his environmental 
scare during his 1988 run for the presidency. He found next to no interest in 
it and turned instead to "a familiar list of waht the insiders agree are 
the'the issues."' He's correct about "the insiders" making such decisions. 
And he is  now riding the crest of a wave that intends to force more 
government on everyone, not through fear of communism, which we arre told is 
no longer a threat, but through false claims about environmental matters. Al 
Gore's extremism has gone from being outside the insider-approved issues to 
inside. Happily, many competent scientists are labelling his pitch a complee 
fraud.

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: praveen@carina.unm.edu (parveen j seph.quintero sinaha)
Subject: Re: Philadelphia Experiment
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 01:46:43 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

	Well, the Phildelphia Experiment was actually an experiment
conducted by MJ-12/Trilaterists.
	In it, they did not actually make the ship invisible, but rather
just had one of their first successes in Stealth technology, looooong before
the Stealth fighter.
	This occured right around the certain pacts with the Zeta Reticulans(?)
, involving the exchange in technology.  All the money thats going into SDI and
Stealth stuff, is actually just our measly hopes of defense against possible
extraterristrial hostile actions.
	Blah.  Hope this helped some.  I think I got some more info on the 
specifics, of course their mostly by Bennewitz/Lear, so...


Praveen :-$ (<-- feeble attempt toward feral teeth grin)
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Pt 1, RADIOACTIVE MEAT, MILK & PRODUCE: Supermarkets Selling Leukemia?
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:59:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX
Keywords: radioactive meat, milk & produce: supermarkets selling leukemia?

In article <1992Oct7.120408.6949@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:
>
>     The following article is from IN THESE TIMES,   
>     August 19 - September 1, 1987.  Subscriptions and back issues
>     can be ordered by calling (312) 772-0100.
>
>*   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *  
>One day in the spring of 1984, a teenager in eastern Oklahoma's
>Muskogee County took his BB gun and went hunting at a pond by
>Rabbit Hill Farm.  He shot a frog that had nine legs.
[stuff deleted]
>Such are signs of the times around Sequoyah Fuels, a uranium
>processing plant located between the towns of Gore and Vian, and
>within the boundaries of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, a
 
 [stuff about radioactive waste disposal deleted]

 Multi-legged frogs can be made by taking a tadpole that is just starting
 to develop its hind legs and inflicting injury upon those legs (like splitting
 them down the middle with an x-acto knife) and if no infection kills the 
 amphibian, each shred of each leg will grow into a complete(or somewhat
 complete) leg. This is due to frogs being so low on the evolutionary scale
 that they still retain enough DNA encoding from their invertibrate predecessors
 to allow them a limited amount of "limb tissue regeneration" but only while
 they are still reasonably within the tadpole stage of development. This is
 an interesting experiment to do in junior high and high school biology science
 classes to demonstrate regenerative capabilities of the lower animals.
 Unfortunately, once the tadpole matures past a certain point, this ability 
 is lost. Perhaps Freddie got this way as a result of narrowly escaping being 
 lunch for a fish or bird during his early childhood. Radiation mutations are
 much more likely to kill a developing organism than let it grow up to be a
 freak. However, non-radioactive nasty chemical caused mutations have proven
 otherwise. (remember thalidamide (sp?))

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 21:45:39 -0400 
From: "David A. Byler" <db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity

Steve Crocker quoting from a post from Chip Berlet:
>  For those who wondered what I do...I am a paralegal investigator employed
>by Political Research Associates in Cambridge, MA. I have worked on several
>lawsuits against government intelligence abuse. My articles have appeared
>in the Boston Globe, Chicago Sun-Times, Des Moines Register, The Progressive,
>In These Times, Etc. I have been interviewed on all three TV network news
>programs, been quoted in the New York Times, and appeared live on the
>Today Show to discuss racist right hate groups. I am secretary of the
>National Lawyers Guild Civil Liberties Committee, and a founding co-editor
>of Police Misconduct & Civil Rights Law Report. None of this makes my
>views any more important that anyone else on the net, but it does show that
>other people have found that it the long run my research has proven
>reliable.
	Now I understand everything.  The National Lawyers Guild is a well
known Communist front group.  And as we see that our good friend Chip is
a member, one has to wonder where his sympathies lie.  Of course the far
left bilge he posts to here is now completely understandable.  Wouldn't
it be easier for new subscribers (like myself) if everyone writing on
here gave some sort of hint as to whre they are coming from
ideologically?  Chip is obviously a communist.  I will admit to being a
wannabe member of the John Birch Society.
How about the rest of you?
Andy Byler
From: sieferme@carson.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: WHERE WAS BILL???
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:18:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct9.121809.15258@cbfsb.cb.att.com> colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten) writes:
>> > 
>> >Wow!  Good question!  Come to think of it:  Bill Clinton,
>> >where were you on July 30, 1976, the day my stereo 
>> >was stolen?  Come Clean!!
>> > 
>> I think we're on to something here. Could it be that Bill Clinton is 
>> really the anit-christ (or a liberal, the same thing).
>> 
>> >| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
>> > 
>> -Garrett
>
>perhaps you're kidding, but Randall Terry (of operation resuce)
>has pretty much said the same thing.  He said a vote for
>Clinton was a sin against God.   so far  they suggested he's 
>a liberal, an intellectual, a traitor, - so can "anti_christ" be
>far behind.  I expect Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell to express
>an opinion on this before the election.

Next, they might "reveal" that Bill Clinton's
height is: 6' 6.6".

Many republicans much less psychotic than Randall Terry
tried to make a big deal about "god" during the RepConvention,
including the fact that the Democratic platform refrained
from invoking any deities.  Over on soc.religion.chrisitan,
there have been many debates as to whether God allows 
a christian to vote for (born-again) Bill Clinton.

I sent out a reguest to God on Usenet several weeks ago,
asking who He endorses in this campaign.  So far, no response.
Maybe His mail server is down.

>marc colten


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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion,talk.bizarre,talk.politics.guns
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Constitutional Questions, and liberalisms....
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 17:31:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.105356.27453@hemlock.cray.com> rja@redwood26.cray.com
(Russ Anderson) writes:
>> 	This statement is false. "Liberals" generally (but not always)
>> 	favor such absurdities as the Brady bill; a "rule" which
>> 	makes no sense and favors only the politically connected
>> 	and criminals....people who need no favors over Ms. Average
>> 	who wants to be able to defend herself against attack but
>> 	often cannot because of "rules" that reserve the right
>> 	of firearms ownership only to the rich/politically connected.
>
>I'm glad you used "generally (but not always)".  There are also
>many conservative that support the Brady bill (ie Reagan) and
>have no problems using gun restrictions as part of their War
>on Drugs.
>
>2nd Amendment issues cut both ways across the liberal/conservative 
>ideological lines.

I'm glad that somebody else feels that way too.  Personally, I'm also
sick of having people try to use issues like guns to foist off more of
their agenda on me.  For example, here in California gun owners are
being urged to support Hershenson (spelling), a guy who has promised
not to enact more gun laws but who wants to see Roe v Wade overturned.
Sorry, but I'd rather emasculate myself with a fondue fork than vote
for someone like that.

I just wish last month's American Rifleman had at least bothered to
rate congressional candidates who weren't Democrat or Republican...

>(note that I am a liberal that objects to the Brady bill)

Same here.

    don

P.s.  Just had a great idea for a bumper sticker:  "I'm ProChoice and
      I shoot!"
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Growth of Christian Identity
Date: 12 Oct 1992 08:43:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Well Chip, I may have saved you the trouble of documenting LaRouche's
supposed adherence to the views of Oswald Spengler. Unfortunately
the source I found for this is not one I consider credible (Your
mileage is almost sure to vary). In Dennis King's book "Lyndon
LaRouche and the New American Fascism" I find passages where King
says in essence "Well, uh, LaRouche says thus and so, and it sure 
sounds a lot like something Spengler said".  Now lest you think I'm
being unfair, I'll quote a typical statement of this sort for all to 
see:

"LaRouche also rails against the "Persian Empire" and "Persian
agents" who supposedly destroyed the ancient world. Again, this 
is not new: Both Spengler and Chamberlin claimed that the Jews
and the Persians were linked in a common conspircay; Spengler 
said the Jews actually dominated much of the Persian Empire, 
while Chamberlin described them as Persian puppets."

This flies in the face of the fact that nowhere does LaRouche
descend to the idiocy of a "Jewish Conspiracy" although he does
indeed discuss conspiracies in which prominent Jews have been 
involved. In fact, King labors arduously to distort the plain
and forthright statements LaRouche has made repeatedly as to 
how he thinks conspiratorial elites are organized and who 
populates them. To do this, he concocts an bizarre system
of "code words" which he attributes to LaRouche. "Babylon" 
refers to the Jews, he tells us (conveniently ignoring the fact
known to anybody with even a nodding acquaintance with the Old
Testament that Babylon is repeatedly used as a symbol of oppression
of the Jewish people, based on the historical events of the 
Babylonian captivity). "British" is a code word for Jewish, he
says, ignoring LaRouche's clear statement that the Jewish families
allied with the British oligarchy are subordinate to that oligarchy, 
after the fashion of the medieval "Court Jews".

Unlike yourself, King at least makes an attempt to analyze some
aspects of LaRouche's ideology. Unfortunately, he succeeds only 
in standing it on its head, using out of context quotes, tortuous
twists of logic, and massive omissions to make it appear that 
LaRouche says almost diametrically the opposite of what he in
fact believes. 

-Steve
From: spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Pt 1, RADIOACTIVE MEAT, MILK & PRODUCE: Supermarkets Selling Leukemia?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 13:44:27 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: pitstop.ucsd.edu
Keywords: radioactive meat, milk & produce: supermarkets selling leukemia?

In article <1992Oct7.133335.21576@cbfsb.cb.att.com> cooper@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct7.120408.6949@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:
>> These nuclear clients either enrich the UF6 into nuclear
>> fuel, use it to make nuclear medicines or, in the case of the
>> Department of Energy, refine it into weapons grade material for
>> nuclear bombs. 
>
>What kind of medicine is "nuclear medicine" ? And wouldn't that be the
>DoD, and not the DoE?

Nuclear medicine refers to therapies which use radioactive materials.
There are a number of them.

The DoE is, in fact, the agency in charge of producing nuclear
weapons.  It has facilities in Oak Ridge, TN, among other places,
where weapons production takes place.

							spl
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