From: adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu (Alan D. Cabrera)
Newsgroups: rec.games.netrek
Subject: Re: The use of profanity
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:23:18 GMT
Reply-To: adc@tardis.cl.msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University

In article 2@cs.cmu.edu, hill@norman.VI.RI.CMU.EDU (Robert Hill) writes:
>Alan writes
>> Ummm, this newsgroup isn't just for a few vocal well-known netrek
>> players and I didn't proclaim myself to be "supreme moderator of the
>> netrek world".
>
>Good point...so you take the discussion about reorganizing  
>rec.games.netrek to news.groups....I guess more of the non-vocal,  
>lesser-known netrek players will post there, huh?  Flawless logic strikes  
>again...

Yet another example where Robert neglects to read my previous posts or
chooses not to reference them to his advantage.  I did it because the
rules, from uunet.uu.net, say that discussion should take place on
news.groups.  You have a problem with uunet.uu.net, not me.

>> Josh has my respect, for those reasons, too.  I'm still of the opinion
>> that using profanity is immature.  It's just my opinion.  If people 
>> don't respect me for having that opinion, so be it.
>
>Who cares?  You campaign against news drivel and you make posts of pure  
>drivel...

The above response is a perfect example of what I'm saying (thanks
Robert!).  Some, if not most, people think I'm an idiot for having the
opinions that I do and you, Robert, are one of them.  I respect that
and live with it.

>> Actually the problem with the kill file is that Subjects tend to
>> drift.  If you use a kill file you can miss out on a lot of good
>> ideas.  Moderating technical subgroups would keep them on track.  But
>> this is for news.groups.
>
>"Keeping on track" causes just as many ideas to be lost.

Good point.  But, there's a line between a dialectic argument and a
discussion about who has "sticks up" certain parts of their anatomy.

>> I understand that your's and other's more coherent concern is that
>> there is a danger in censoring communications.  I agree.  My main
>> concern is that there is a small vocal self appointed cadre of people,
>> who by virtue of the fact that they spend an inordinate amount of time
>> posting articles, think that they have the right to intimidate people
>> from expressing their ideas on r.g.n.  I put it to this group that this
>> form of intense irrational flaimming is in itself a form of unwanted
>> moderation.
>
>How odd...I really know of alot of people who post here and ask "how do  
>you play this game?"  and we reply "why don't you just never learn,  
>twink".  Only frequent posters get flammed by other frequent posters...its  
>an unwritten rule...:-).

Yes, well if I continually see a slugfest, iregardless of who the
participants are, I'm less likely to post my opinion.

>> Case in point, my employee Mike, who is the server god of discovery (I
>> hear sighs of relief?!?! That's right I'm not the server god), as a
>> rule does not post to r.g.n because he doesn't want to deal with the
>> irrational flamings.  BTW, we have the no profanity rule on discovery
>
>poor boy...no really, I feel for him....so shallow he couldn't take a  
>netnews flame about a video game...that's pretty sad.

Well Robert, just as you take these postings so personally, so do
others.


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