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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Pheromones and Nihon Otoko (was Re: yellow cabs")
Date: 31 Dec 92 00:46:42 GMT

jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu) writes:

>In article <RHB.92Dec30080947@world.std.com> rhb@world.std.com 
>(Robert H Brueckner) writes:

>  >In article <1hngj8INNrno@agate.berkeley.edu> jcliu@four-lab4.
>  >Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu) writes:
>  >
>  >   IMO, it's your sweat dude.  Foreigners, especially Americans eat more 
>  >[MUCH MORE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS IDEA DELETED]
>  >
>  >Liu-san,
>  >
>  >This, I hope, is a jest, something on the order of Swift's "A Modest
>  >Proposal."  Otherwise I think your addiction to karaoke has given you
>  >a karaatama.

>I want to apologize formally.  It was a tasteless and vulgar jest of an
>article and I should have interjected more ":-)" to indicate sarcasm.
>My intent was not to imply that Japanese men should go out of their way
>to consume more steaks.  I was not aware that any readers might take my
>satirical post in the light of Swift's proposal that the 19th century
>Irish eat there babies for lack of potatoes during the great blight.

I took what you said somewhat seriously. While I'm not sure if
eating steak would increase testosterone/pheronome, there is some
reason to believe that Japanese men have less of both compared to
western men (horrible overgeneralization but such is life). David
Kubiak had a long article in the //Kyoto Journal// about this some
years ago but I don't have the issue any more <sigh>. 

>I have no data on the pheromones theory and don't believe at all in the
>meat-eater theory, although I do believe that there may be a connection
>between testosterone levels and male pheromone (i.e. musk) production
>which has some seductive potential on the opposite gender.  Any
>implications that carnivores smell worse is only a generalization (which
>has been backed by research) but in no way implies that meat-eaters on an
>individual level smell worse or have poor hygiene.

I don't have any data to hand about pheronomes but there have been
articles in //Brain Mind Bulletin// and //Whole Earth Review// (none
of which I have any more). I don't think there is a lot of hard data
on human pheronomes, I believe there is a lot for animals, insects
in particular. 

I remember reading about one experiment women with irrgular mense
were given pads which contained male sweat (and presumeably male
pheronomes) and their mense became regular.  Second, they had to use
the pads because male pheronomes don't spread easily through the air
whereas female pheronomes do. The effect is enhanced by perfume
which helps carry the pheronomes. 

So I don't take your original post as a joke. I think it makes
some sense.

Dave

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From: rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard)
Subject: Re: Comfort girls?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 02:56:59 GMT
Keywords: rape of nangking

achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (jupiter) writes:

>According to certain estimates approximately 300,000 Ameriasian
>children were produced as a result of the Vietnam War, and most
>of them were abandoned after the American withdrawal.  Since only
>about 50,000 American soldiers were killed during the entire war,
>this means that for each American soldier killed during the war,
>six Vietnamese girls were shamed for life.

There are too many assumptions behind this calculation. You are
assuming that each girl only bore one children and each girl just
"served" one G.I Joe. 

>This means the U.S.A. wins the trophy for the maximal use of
>"confort girls".


And there might be cases where love is involved and not just a 
kind of trade.



Richard
From: cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Funny Business by Gary Katzenstein
Date: 29 Dec 1992 23:18:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


The subtitle of this book is An Outsider's Year in Japan.  
I borrowed this book from the library after it was mentioned in
s.c.j. recently.  How depressing!  The salaryman's life sounds
awful--I hate to think that my Japanese friends (or anyone!)
are working under this system.

For those who have been talking about the role of Japanese
women, this book has some information about women employees too.
Dismal picture for all workers.

Cathy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (JESSE MICHAEL FUCHS)
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:19:49 GMT

Oh my gosh, I actually am (sort of) agreeing with Riki. Somebody shoot me now.

By the way, I called my professor and confirmed that the thing about the
blacklist was not just a product of me being half-asleep in class that day
and being confused. So, yes, in this sense (I'm not going to even _try_ to
touch upon whether the Japanese are racist toward the rest of the world,
being as that I've never even been there) I believe the Japanese exhibit
some sort of culturally endemic racism. I guess it's like the thing with
the monkeys and Hamlet - if you sit Riki down at a computer long enough, he 
will eventually come up with something that I (sort of - certainly not 
everything he said, and certainly not his tone, but the basic point) agree
with. Geez, will wonders never cease.


--

"There are five billion people in the world.
 I wonder how many of them we can screw over."
			-jesse
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Days of the Week in Japanese and Korean
Date: 28 Dec 1992 03:06:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

The days of the week come from the Western calendar.  The Western calendar
is inspired by European mythology for the elements.  Thursday is for Thor,
Saturday is for Saturn.  I'm not sure if there are other references to
gods' names.  Monday for moon, Sunday for sun, wendesday for water.

Before this, the Japanese ran on the Chinese zodiacal system of animals.
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Hus Fu and the Japanese
Date: 26 Dec 92 17:50:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EfDGUGa00iV4A20ZEF
	<1hi9huINNcio@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Mr. Liu writes,

.

> 
>But can they say with some probability whence and what root stock that
>the Orientals diverged?  Probably.  The other question is: do the
     ^^^^^^^^^
>cultural theories even jive with any of the prelim data that we have on
>mt DNA?  If not, we should be throwing them out.

Please, don't say "Orientals". Asians is a much better word!
             
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.net (Larry Greenfield)
Subject: Yuming's Latest CD...
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:23:00 GMT

Hi all.  Well, it's a new year.  Hope it's a good one for everybody.
  I saw Yuming's (Yumi Matsutoya) latest CD for sale in the local store 
today. I was wondering if anyone has bought it yet. It's $33 + tax, and 
since I don't really have much money now to spend, I was wondering for 
opinions from those people (Yuming fans or not) who have purchased it. I 
can't remember the title, but I am thinking it's "Tears and Reasons" 
maybe, or something similar.
  Please email or post a reply. I must say, I am a Yuming fan, but I was 
a bit disappointed in last year's Dawn Purple.
:::::Larry:::::

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:10:40 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Tawit Chitsomboon
	<1992Dec29.211813.23845@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>

Ladies and Gentlemen,

.

                          Let me be the first to welcome Mr. Tawit Chitsomboon
to our home here at scj.. We welcome you with open arms. This is
especailly nice for me because I have alot of Thailanders as friends on
the outside and I love Thai food. Welcome.. Welcome.. Welcome!!
From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Subject: Re: SEXISM IN JAPANESE WORKPLACE!!!!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<Dec23.031814.16948@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:17:43 GMT

In article <Dec23.031814.16948@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:

   In article <MfBbfyq00Uh_M4r0sk@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
   >
   >I think that it is a crime of high morality to discrimminate on any
   >basis. 

	   I AM picking on you at this point.  You said above, and you have
	   discriminated people by thier educational background.  Is this an 
	   exception in your definition of "discrimination"?


						   Tetsuya Nishimura


I'm still trying to figure out what "a crime of high morality" is.
Sounds like the maggot thinks morality is a crime, which, by his past
posts, I judge to be consistent with his world-view.

RB

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: tanaka@til.til.com (Yokichi Tanaka)
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Organization: Togai InfraLogic, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:49:26 GMT

Mr. Rikiya Asano writes:

> The buraku
> is racism! It is discrimmination! and it's Wrong! In my opinion, it is
> the minds of evil men and women who try to conceal this terrible deeds.
> The hell with tradition. These people are our own! And, if they weren't
> it still would not give us the  right to hurt and mangle these
> individuals lives. When we are quiet and let this go on we are just as
> guilt.

I couldn't agree more.  It's deep rooted in the minds of many people
in Japan.  You should hear how average citizens talk about their own 
brethren (of both sexes) from the "buraku".  But Japan's endemic racism
extends beyond the "buraku".  My aunt-in-law was wondering why some
Koreans were complaining about being denied Japanese citizenship.
I had to point out to her that these were *third* generation
"Korean-Japanese"!!!  She's from an older generation, so there might
be some excuse, but it is a failure of the Japanese government, the
education system, and the media that this kind of attitude and thinking
still prevail.  The end-product of the current education system are people
who are (in general) indifferent, ignorant, and insensitive to important
"issues" and lack the ability for critical thinking.  (They are excellent
at pointing out all the countries of the world on a map, and 
telling you that "Taika no Kaishin" happended in 645, and doing
differentiation, and reading Kanbun.)  Oops, I'm getting side-tracked.

Japan's racism stems from many facets:  history, its laws (including
koseki-hou), its (lack of) education on social issues, and the media
bias (away from real issues and towards Taka-Rie stuff).  It's easy to
change the laws, but it's harder to change people's attitudes.  Education
will be a good place to start.

I think Mr. Asano nails it right on the head, too, when he states
"when we are quiet and let this go on, we are just as guilty."

-- 
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714-975-8522            5 Vanderbilt
tanaka@til.com          Irvine, California, USA

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (jupiter)
Subject: Re: Pheromone and Roman Hikou -- Would you grow up a little, please? 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:16:05 GMT


what is a "yellow cab"?


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From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 05:14:23 GMT

proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:


>What do you do when Japan responds to your 10%, 10%, 10% tariffs by
>failing to show up to one month's T-bill auction, and the US immediately
>goes bankrupt?


I hate to bust your balloon (*smile*) but Japan has been in a negative
capital flow mode for a while now.  Something about trying to save their
posteriors in their own economy.

Charlie
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From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (jupiter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Comfort girls?
Keywords: rape of nangking
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:57:35 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Dec28.143403.8912@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue) writes:
>folks,
>
>just recently i read about the rape of nangking and the japanese use
>of "comfort girls" (women forced into prostitution for the soldiers).
>amazingly (maybe not), my high school education never revealed this
>period of history, nor did i take any eastern history courses in 
>college.
>
>given what's happening with the women of bostnia and croatia, such
>atrocities are commonplace in war.  however, the news has recently
>carried articles about the japanese admittance to "comfort girls"
>(which had been denied for sometime).
>
>i'm interested in knowing all sides of the issues.  any information
>is greatly appreciated.  does japan teach its students about this
>period of time?  does china?  what is the "official" story from both
>sides?
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According to certain estimates approximately 300,000 Ameriasian
children were produced as a result of the Vietnam War, and most
of them were abandoned after the American withdrawal.  Since only
about 50,000 American soldiers were killed during the entire war,
this means that for each American soldier killed during the war,
six Vietnamese girls were shamed for life.

This means the U.S.A. wins the trophy for the maximal use of
"confort girls".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan)
Subject: Re: Relative Politeness of Compuserve vs. USENET (Was: STUCK IN TOKYO)
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 08:23:46 GMT

tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu () writes:

>I belong to both Compuserve and USENET. I don't really like all the
>connect charges and other charges associated with CS, but whenever I
>log on there I do notice one thing: THE PEOPLE ARE CIVIL TO EACH
>OTHER!!

>I sometimes wonder why we can't be like that? Is the
>serious threat of being denied further access to Compuserve (that's
>their policy) really all it takes to turn the rabid dogs that we have
>to put up with into civil, polite human beings? Just wondering.

I can give you the short answer.  Money.

Totally different situation but consider applying the same forces:

A company decided that all beverages would be free, coffee, tea as well
as soft drinks, drink as many as you want all day long as long as you
were on the job.

Result: People took a sip out of a Coke and set it down, forgot about it
take another, it got warm, take another.

The employees eventually decided on a 25 cent charge and almost immediately
the total waste of stuff ended.  The waste cost them money.

So basically you get anybody with access here and it isn't their nickel
or they would find better things to do with it in many cases.

tom
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: crichar@eskimo.com (Craig S. Richardson "Napoleon of the Stump")
Subject: Re: brainwashed
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:09:59 GMT

In article <BzwC06.8rM@CAM.ORG> cheung@CAM.ORG (Shirley Cheung) writes:
>
>Today, I can come up with a final conclusion of how REAL Japanese are:
[snip]
>2. Their "social" mentality is at least 20-30 years behind North America

Remember what happened in the "social" arena 20-30 years ago *in* North
America?  Although Japanese society is very well insulated against that sort
of upheval, some change is inevitable.  The West also thought that the
collapse of Communism would take years, as it was entrenched and
institutionalized.  No "repressive" society can withstand the free exchange of
ideas.  It just takes longer for changes in some than in others.  America
certainly doesn't have a clean slate when it comes to sexism and racism,
but we're making progress.  I think the Japanese are as well, but changes
in a system like that can take a while...

--Craig

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (JESSE MICHAEL FUCHS)
Subject: Re: Top 10 Excuses by the TSU band for Shoplifting in Akihabara.
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:27:45 GMT

KEN GUILFOYLE (ken@moncol.monmouth.edu) wrote:
> In article <1992Dec16.022506.1225@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> > In article <hit.724465319@sol> hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe) writes:
> > >How can they think of more than two or three excuses?
> > >You know, Texas is ranked "47th" in 50 states for the educational 
> > >standard(seriously), and TSU is....., well, where in the hell is TSU?
> > 
> > TSU is "Texas Southern University".  It's student population is
> > predominantly African-American--close to 100%.
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   SO what are you trying to say?
	I believe he is trying to say that TSU is almost all African-American.
This is true.
>    
> 
> 
> > 
> > Among educational institutions, it is ranked close to last in academics.
> > On the other hand, it is also one of the poorest universities in the USA.
>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                        So, finish your argument so
>                                        we can all flame your racist
>                                        ass!
	I believe he is trying to say that TSU is very poor. This is also true.

	What argument is there to finish? And what's racist about pointing out
mundane facts?
> 
>  
> 
> 
							-jesse
From: kubo@t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Yayoi KUBO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: SEXISM IN JAPANESE WORKPLACE!!!!
Date: 21 Dec 92 07:59:13 GMT
Organization: Miura-Shimoyama Lab., Faculty of Engineering, University of Tokyo

In article <BzKy05.3Lz@jrd.dec.com> doi@jrd.dec.com (Hitoshi Doi) writes:

 > Who says equality is good?
 > Who says Japanese women want to be equal..

What exactly do you mean by "equality"?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,misc.invest,misc.entrepreneurs
From: billd@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Bill D'Camp)
Subject: Kodak vs. Fuji (was: DOES AMERICA SAY ...)
Organization: Grumman Corporation
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:15:39 GMT

I am posting the following because a number of people asked me about
my previous posting citing Kodak's defense against Fuji.  The
information I am posting is from a lecture in a graduate business
course, I do not know the source or accuracy of this information,
although the professor claimed it was true.

When Fuji began selling film in the US it did so with the intent of
taking control of the market and doing so at the expense of Kodak.
With MITI approval and backing Fuji decided to subsidize their attack
on the US film market by raising the prices of film for domestic sales
and then selling film in the US for prices far lower than Kodak.  I
believe the price was less than 50% of Kodak's price but cannot recall
specifics.  Kodak started to see a significant erosion of their market
share and became worried about the advances made by Fuji.  In a brain
storming session Kodak management decided they should open a Japanese
subsidiary thinking to compete with Fuji on their home ground.
Establishing the subsidiary was much more difficult and time-consuming
than they had originally expected and to their dismay they found that
Fuji was pushing their US prices lower and that they were losing more
and more sales.  Kodak discovered that they could hire independent
consultants in Japan and ask them to do market research without the
formation of the subsidiary being complete.  Kodak's market research
took the form of house-to-house surveys to determine how much film was
actually in a year by the average consumer.  Kodak's consultants
carefully recorded the responses and proceeded to give people a years
supply of film for free.  They did this in a number of Japanese
cities, I don't know how which ones for sure, but Osaka sticks in my
mind as being one of them. 

Fuji suddenly found themselves with a glut of film intended for
domestic consumption and no revenue to finance the dumping of film in
the US and were forced to back off of their assault on Kodak.  By the
time Fuji's domestic market recovered Kodak had succeeded in
establishing their Japanese subsidiary and were able to compete with
Fuji on a more even basis.

There was also some story which I had trouble believing about Kodak
parking a blimp outside of Fuji's headquarters, level with board of
directors conference room. 

Has anyone else heard this story?  Can you remember details, like
dates?

I think that, if true, this represents an innovative way to defend
markets and protect jobs.  Obviously, this won't work for General
Motors, I don't think they can afford to give away free cars, but
there must be other industries in which this would be a viable tactic.
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From: bsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis)
Subject: Re: Retix Vs Soft-Switch...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 03:47:23 GMT

thiru@lgc.com (Thiru Bollam) writes:

>	Does anyone out there know if RETIX and SOFT-SWITCH are in the
>	same niche market (OSI-Email business). I know that Retix does
>	lots of OSI stuff, including licensing X.400 software for email
>	systems.  What does Soft-switch do? Does it trade in the open
>	market?

>	I appreciate any info. regarding this.

>	Merry Christmas,

>	Thiru

I believe that Retix is primarily a software company specializing in 
OSI related products and services. Soft-Switch has been focussed on 
providing products and services to "gateway" between email systems 
of proprietary and "open" types (e.g. DEC All-In-1, X.400). Don't know 
about trading in the open market.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: SEXISM IN JAPANESE WORKPLACE!!!!
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 14:39:53 GMT

In article <3626.249.uupcb@nitelog.com> michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty)  writes:
>[...deleted...]
>Written as only a native Japanese would have...

This line is more informative of the personality (prejudice?) of the writer,
rather than what it by itself conveys   (smiley?)

-YH
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