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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 09:27:37 -0400
From:         PAYETTE@VAX.LIBRARY.UTORONTO.CA
Subject:      RE: Nu 2 list
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

To: Aaron Gold,
        My name is Chantal and I am fairly new to this system too.  I will
be leaving for Europe to travel and settle in England to complete some
historical research for a book I'm writing.  I'm a student that just
graduated.  If anyone has any interesting and/or useful information
concerning travelling alone through Europe I'd be interested in reading it.
To you Aaron I say hostelling is the way to go.  I am going to do that and
have just purchased my hostelling card and book.  Its cheap and an excellent
way to meet just about anybody.  Backpacking is sometimes tricky.  Don't take
much at all because if you really need something you can buy it there.
Carrying a heavy, bulky backpack is no fun at all after a while.  The idea is
to leave your backpack in a locker in the trainstation of the town you are
visiting and just using a daypack to walk around.  You can even leave it the
locker and only take to the hostel, what you really need.  Expect to spend
+ about$30-$35 dollars a day.

Again, anyone with information on Europe, especially Britain, please reply.

Thanks...I leave Oct.10

Chantal Payette
University of Toronto
Canada
From: VAUR0001@SMUVM1.BITNET (Joel Eatmon)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l
Subject: Re: Britain in May
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:20:19 GMT
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              2 Oct 1992 15:06:00 -0500 from <HORVATH@DAEMON.RUTGERS.EDU>

Hilde,
       I understood that you were planning to spend a good amount of time in
London; is this at the beginning or end of your trip?  If you are planning to
be in Inverness first, it seems to make sense to fly into Glasgow.  Either way,
travelling from one city to the other by rail would surely be less expensive
than travelling by air; and a Britrail pass is bound to be economical if you
are planning on two or three trips out of Inverness anyway.
                                                            Joel.
From: jnsmar14@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l
Subject: Re: Whale Watching
Date: 4 Oct 92 09:49:48 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.921001081432.480@ortta.umn.edu>, Michelle Lehman <MICHELLE@ORTTA.UMN.EDU> writes:
> Hi,
> 
>     I would like to go whale watching sometime (hopefully next
> year) and was wondering if anyone else has done this and what some
> good pointers might be (as to peak time and a good place to do this).

Hermanus, a small town about an hour's time driving from Cape Town, is a very
good place for whale watching during this time of year (Spring in South
Africa). The ocean is very deep right up to the coast here, and the whales come
very close so that they can be observed very well indeed without involved trips
in boats. They come inshore to calve during this time.

Ever since whales have been given extraordinary protection in South Africa,
they are returning in ever increasing numbers.

Regards,
Pierre 

University of Cape Town
South Africa
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:56:40 MEZ
From:         Michael Schofield <schofiel%juno@ESRF.FR>
Subject:      Left Luggage (was RE: Nu 2 list)
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              from"PAYETTE@VAX.LIBRARY.UTORONTO.CA" at Oct 5, 92 9:27 am

Chantal,

> .......................  Backpacking is sometimes tricky.  Don't take
> much at all because if you really need something you can buy it there.
> Carrying a heavy, bulky backpack is no fun at all after a while.  The idea is
> to leave your backpack in a locker in the trainstation of the town you are
> visiting and just using a daypack to walk around.  You can even leave it the
> locker and only take to the hostel, what you really need.  Expect to spend
> + about$30-$35 dollars a day.
>

Don't rely on leaving you backpack in a station in Britain. It is rare now to
find lockers or left luggage areas there because of the threat of
terrorism. As is the case in the airports any luggage left unattended is
likely to be VERY rapidly removed by the authorities.

You will not find the stations very welcoming at all - few seats or waiting
rooms even - it is not encouraged to loiter!

Litter bins too are very scarce, since the bombing in London's Victoria
Station of a while back that killed 1 person and injured many.

All the above is not meant to scare you, it should in fact reassure you as
British Rail always tries to remain viligent against any possible attacks.
On the continent, however, lockers and left luggage offices are plentiful,
well used, and not too expensive (maybe $4 per day).


Reply to me direct if you want more info on GB, France or Switzerland.

--

That's all for now,

Michael Schofield

schofiel@esrf.fr
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 20:28:26 CDT
From:         AA741CN <AA741CN@TCUAMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Whale Watching
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

   I lived in Carmel/Monterey CA for a long time and agood place
for you to contact is the Monterey Bay Aquarium. It is fantastic
and they are the experts on all sealife in the area. In fact,
I went whale watching a few years ago right from Monterey and
it was fantastic....Sorry, I don't have their number but you can
get it from information. Area code is 408.

John
From: ernie@S850.MWC.EDU (Ernest C Ackermann)
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Subject: A spare day in San Diego
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:25:07 GMT
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Hi,

        I'm going to San Diego for the first time this weekend Oct 3
        and will have 1 or 2 days for sightseeing or other explorations.
        What can anyone recommend. Is it feasible to rent a car and
        drive into Mexico for the day? Any recommendations on
        restaurants?
--
ec A
ernie@s850.mwc.edu              uunet!s850!ernie
Ernest C. Ackermann
Department of Computer Science   Mary Washington College
Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5358    703 - 899 - 4031
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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 92 13:04:12 -0400
From:         WILLIAM SWEET <sweetw@ESSEX.STFX.CA>
Subject:      Re: Hawaiian Help Needed
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I continue to get double messages. Is anyone out there still having this
problem? Is there any way of correcting this?
Will
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 07:55:40 EDT
From:         Jean <BRICKEYJ@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Blue Ridge Mountains
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

Based on the current weather events, about a week to a week and a half.
Trees are turning now.  Give them about a week to a week and a half and they
should be at their peak.  However, if there is a lot of rain in that time, they
will fall sooner.

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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:33:43 EDT
From:         V2153A@TEMPLEVM.BITNET
Subject:      Blue Ridge Mountains
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

When is the best time to see the "colors of fall" in this region?
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From: rdb@ktibv.uucp (The Graphical Gnome)
Subject: Re: Whale Watching
Organization: KTI BV
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:28:24 GMT

MICHELLE@ORTTA.UMN.EDU (Michelle Lehman) writes:

>Hi,

>    I would like to go whale watching sometime (hopefully next
>year) and was wondering if anyone else has done this and what some
>good pointers might be (as to peak time and a good place to do this).

>Michelle
>U of MN - Mpls                                 michelle@ortta.umn.edu

I you want to watch wales AND do something constructive for their conservation
you might consider contacting EARTHWATCH. They have all kinds of trips 
(more working holidays). If you are interested, I will send you some addresses
in you neighberhood.


Happy Hacking "PABRAS"
(aka The Graphical Gnome)

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From:         MAWAREHA@REX.MNSMC.EDU
Subject:      Re: Puerto Rico
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>
> Acquisitions Assistant-Kornhauser Library
> Phone: 588-5763
> I have a friend who is going to Puerto Rico this week - yes, this
> week.  She will be going with her boyfriend, who is going on a
> business trip, so lodging is taken care of.
> Any hints on what she should see, do or avoid?
> He will be away during the day, and she'll be left to her own
> devices.  Any nightlife suggestions?
> Thanks!
> Mary K.
> MKBECK01@ULKYVM : BITNET
>
Mary, which part of Puerto Rico are they going to?  San Juan or
Ponce?
Monica>
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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(507) 457-7240 (school)
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     ++OR++
(612) 432-8597 (home)
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(I will be at school address at least until early May of 1993)
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:59:42 +1000
From:         tmne@ARCHSCI.ARCH.SU.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Make a friend today, send a postcard to Oz ...
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              30 Sep 92 12:30:55 +0000.
              <9209301320.AA22519@archsci.arch.su.oz.au>


>    Be Careful Everyone!  I've heard of a new linguistically advanced
>    midget that has been developed in Australia!

>    Although this request may seem harmless, it may also be a ploy by
>    the midgets to gather names and addresses of good-natured people
>    around the world with Internet access to use as PAWNS in their
>    plan to take over world!  Or they may have found>  out what how their
>    jello-shooters can be enhanced with the photographic gel on the fronts
>    of most postcards!

>    ...or maybe I'm just afraid of eels.


What? Am I missing something happening in my own backyard? :-)

 -- Tmne
_______________________________________________________________________

Tmne Sperling                      Voice: +61-2-692 4031
Key Centre of Design Quality       Fax:   +61-2-692 3031
University of Sydney               Internet: tmne@archsci.arch.su.oz.au
NSW 2006 Australia                 Time: GMT + 10 hours
From: E10JBH1@NIU.BITNET
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Subject: Autumn in New England
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:26:00 GMT
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Hello!

I'll be in Massachusetts, Vermont, and Maine for 5 days starting
this Friday, October 2nd.  I'm wondering where are some of the best
places to go for viewing the autumn colors in these 3 states.  Have
the leaves started to change or will my trip be too soon?  Thanks
for your advice!

John H.
E10JBH1@NIU
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 00:13:14 PDT
From:         Dave Gomberg <GOMBERG@UCSFVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: OUTSIDE DENVER CO.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

On Thu, 1 Oct 92 15:17:08 EDT <HGOLDSTE@UDCVAX> said:
>once again i am playing the role of sourpuss ...

I repost this because it is VERY IMPORTANT.  I agree totally with the
sentiments.  If I did not know that a bunch of folks just throw a lot
of mail away, I would say reposting was a waste of resources too.  But
since I have learned how much mail gets discarded how often, a repost is
worth it.  Please try!   Dave

>ok, everyone wants to know about everyone else's advice.
>but does everyone have to receive an individual thank you?
>or similarly personal messages?
>
>it may not be a big thing but ANSWERing a direct message on
>this list sends your ANSWER to everyone, not just to the
>intended receiver ... if you want to do a persoanl thank you
>why not mail direct?
>
>ok, so one or 2 items a day isnt a big thing to me, but multiply
>that by the number of list members and the number of nodes a message
>travels through and you'll find that each message is a strain on the
>system ... multiply that by the many mnay unnecessary messages on other lists
>and you'll see we can save a lot in network resources ... its like
>setting your thermostat down at night.
>
>i think we have a limited resource that we are being ALLOWED to use
>and that we should be aware of the best ways of using this resource.

Dave Gomberg    GOMBERG@UCSFVM  Internet node UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU  (415)731-7793
Seven Gateview Court, San Francisco CA 94116-1941
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 15:17:08 EDT
From:         HGOLDSTE@UDCVAX.BITNET
Subject: Re: OUTSIDE DENVER CO.
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

once again i am playing the role of sourpuss ...

ok, everyone wants to know about everyone else's advice.
but does everyone have to receive an individual thank you?
or similarly personal messages?

it may not be a big thing but ANSWERing a direct message on
this list sends your ANSWER to everyone, not just to the
intended receiver ... if you want to do a persoanl thank you
why not mail direct?

ok, so one or 2 items a day isnt a big thing to me, but multiply
that by the number of list members and the number of nodes a message
travels through and you'll find that each message is a strain on the
system ... multiply that by the many mnay unnecessary messages on other lists
and you'll see we can save a lot in network resources ... its like
setting your thermostat down at night.

i think we have a limited resource that we are being ALLOWED to use
and that we should be aware of the best ways of using this resource.
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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 92 09:44:36 EDT
From:         HKAPLAN@UDCVAX.BITNET
Subject:      RE: San Francisco
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

If you're partial to scenery, stay FAR away from Fisherman's Wharf.  It is
the biggest, most crowded collection of junk filled stores I have ever seen.
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:47:00 CST
From:         MEWALKER@MBCF.STJUDE.ORG
Subject:      Re: Yosemite cabins
Comments: To: TRAVEL-L%TREARN.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

A couple of years ago, we stayed in The Redwoods, fairly rustic cabins
just inside the park area (a fair distance from the Valley).  They were
very comfortable and as I remember, not too expensive.  Their phone is
209-375-6666.

Mary Edith Walker
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 09:38:00 EST
From:         VLDAUGHE@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
Subject:      Re: MONTANA
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l


  Montanta is the most beautiful spot on earth (also, Wyoming and
  especially Yellowstone).  Montana driving is great.  The drive
  between Bozman and Billings is wonderful.  I don't know places
  to stay, but just travel around as much as possible. If you are
  able to get down into Yellowstone that would be wonderful. I'm
  sure the drive to Red Lodge and into Yellowstone would be closed,
  but the Beartooth Pass is the most wonderful 62 miles of driving
  if you arn't afraid of driving in the mountains.  From Bozman you
  could drive to Livingston, MT and into Gardiner which is where the
  original entrance to Yellowstone is.  That's a five mile drive
  (small mountains) into the Mammoth Hot Springs area.  I know of no
  other place on earth as beautiful as Montana, Wyoming and especially
  Yellowstone.  Driving into the northern section of Montana is
  great also.  Some sections you must look for signs telling of danger
  is the wind is fast, but enjoy and let me hear about the trip.  I'm
  jealous, although if things work out right, I'll be there for two
  months or more next summer.
                                Virginia Daugherty
  P.S. please excuse the typos.
exit
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:28:16 EDT
From:         GERVASI@LEMOYNE.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Greece
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

Brian,  I spent my honeymoon in Greece 4 years ago.  We went the end of April
and the weather was great with temperatures in the low 70s.  We decided
to "wing it" and went with only our airline reservations made.  We ended
up spending about 3 days in and around Athens, 3 days on a cruise of some
of the islands and Ephesus in Turkey, 3 days in Mykonos and 4 days in
Santorini.  First of all, Greeks are very friendly, talkative folks.  Most
everyone spoke English and appreciated our attempts at Greek.  Athens is very
much like any major cosmopolitan city in the sense of traffic, hordes of
people, etc.  It is not the whitewashed picture you see in travel guides.

You have to go to the islands for that.  Around Athens, go to see the Oracle at
Delphi (bus tour) and of course the Parthenon.  The cruise was on the Betsy
Ross ship and a lot of fun (mostly because it was short and we got to see
Patmos, Rhodes and I forget the 3rd island.)  Then we rented a villa in Mykonos
and one in Santorini.  Mykonos is very touristy now but Santorini is
beautiful.  If you go there, the beaches are black because of the volcanic
activity.

Oops, gotta go.  If you want more details, let me know.  We loved it!!
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From:         "Mary Fry, Acquisitions Librarian" <MFRY@BROOK.BITNET>
Subject:      Yosemite cabins
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

My boyfriend and I will be visiting Yosemite in early November.  We would
like to stay in a cabin/cottage either in or just outside the park.
Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced (under $75) cabin/cottage in the
area.  We are hoping the prices will be low and that there will be
some available because it is off season.  We don't mind if it's rustic but
would like it to have a modern bathroom!  Any advice would be greatly
appreciated.  We are writing away for information but would like to hear
from people who have actually stayed in one.

Mary Fry
The Brookings Institution Library
MFRY@BROOK. BITNET
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From: emsiwek@IASTATE.EDU (Elizabeth M Siwek)
Subject: Poland
Reply-To: emsiwek@IASTATE.EDU (Elizabeth M Siwek)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:14:36 GMT

Hello.  I will be in Poland in March.  I will be staying with relatives, part of
the time, but plan to travel around the country a bit.  Does anyone know of
cheap lodging (I'm a student) near any interesting sites?  How difficult (or
expensive) would it be for me to go to Moscow or Prague from Krakow?  Amy other
suggestions are welcome.

Elizabeth Siwek
emsiwek@iastate.edu

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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:48:00 EDT
From:         DHGREENBERG@UMBC.BITNET
Subject:      Phoenix - Tempe area
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I am interested in finding out about resturants in the Phoenix/Tempe area.
I was off the list for about three months, so if this area has been covered
in the past, maybe someone could give me dates, and I can check out the logs.

If not, I would appreciate all recommendations.  Thank you in advance.
Linda
DHGreenberg@UMBC.Bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:42:41 +1000
From:         fays@ARCHSCI.ARCH.SU.OZ.AU
Subject:      Make a friend today, send a postcard to Oz ...
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> >From:    Bernd Wechner <bernd@CC.UOW.EDU.AU>

> So, I'd like to invite you to send me a postcard for which I will:
> a) be eternally grateful
> b) send one back (if desired)
> c) invite you around for a cup of tea, a chat and even to stay a few days
>    (if you like ...)

Hi Bernd

Two suggestions:

1) Join the POSTCARD list (for those interested in collecting and
   exchanging postcards). Join the usual way by sending a sub
   message to LISTSERV@IDBSU.BITNET.

2) Come to my office:
   a) to look at my collage of ~200 postcards on the office wall
   b) to have a cup of tea
   c) to chat

Cheers
Fay

________________________________________________________________________

Fay Sudweeks                        Voice: +61-2-692 2328
Architectural and Design Science    Fax:   +61-2-692 3031
University of Sydney                Internet: fays@archsci.arch.su.oz.au
NSW 2006 Australia                  Time: GMT + 10 hours
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