HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Madonna offers haven to Diana
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:47:19 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
>I often hanker for Hawaii when winter gets to month 5, which
>is March.  The winters here have been much warmer than usual
>for the past 3 years; but the summer was uncommonly cool,
>and the meteorology people (hi Sim) across the street say
>this one will more in the traditional vein.

More than likely, what with Pinatubo dust in the air.  I don't envy you,
either.  I lived a number of years in the Adirondacks, and I won't make 
that mistake again.

When it gets to February and March, though, and people tire of the cold,
I wouldn't mind a few visitors.  We have lots of space, and a real roof.

>'81 was the
>corker: more than a week with the *highs* below zero, the
>nights in the -20 to -25 range.  But I'd take a cold winter
>*any*time over a really hot summer (like '88).

Nonononononono.  Anything below 70 is simply *frigid.*

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: .. alienate so many... (really: cruising on net or rail)
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:50:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.225208.23199@ads.com>, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
> (side effect: you know you're a nerd when you think AZT resets your
> modem.)

  A dyslexic nerd at that.
-- 

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		-- Hobbes to Calvin
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From: ro@panix.com (r l reid)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:42:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: panix.1992Oct8.144239.18938
Organization: MOTSS CABAL, NO MORE CHINESE FOOD DIVISION

In article <Bvpo7p.3KK@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Michael S. Adler) writes:
>
>Because inconsistency bothers me.
>____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because

I suspect you have wandered into the wrong universe.

Especially when you see the inconsistancies in your identity provided
by some software along some line.

BTW, if inconsistency bothers you, don't eat my mashed potatoes.
Eat at McDonalds instead.


-- 
		r l reid	ro@panix.com
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: WARNING: Stealth African Marauding soc.motss
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:00:54 GMT
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Originator: glp@merlin


In article <1992Oct13.152323.2753@wam.umd.edu>, lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:

|> Let's all just love one another, right?  Besides, I didn't PERSONALLY bring you  
|> over here on infested slave ships, right?  Let's just forget about the past and  
|> forge a new future together as one, right?  WRONG!  Wake up!

You don't have to look very far to see how getting to
this point and stopping can be dangerous.  Are you willing
to take responsibility and make reparations for all the
crimes committed by black men?  I know you PERSONALLY
didn't mug me but someone black did and you're black and
I'm supposed to forget that?  I'm sure you would expect
better of me - can I not expect better of you?

There is "white" society and "black" society and then
there are "white" people and "black" people.  It's just not
true that there is always a correspondence between individuals
and the society in which they live.  It's insulting to all
the people who are working to change things, no less insulting
than judging you by the crime rate of black males your age.


-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: National Coming Out Day
Reply-To: orc@sybase.com
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:53:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.044908.22450@microsoft.com> georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
|I'm surprised to note that no-one else has remarked that
|today (Sunday) is National Coming Out Day, a day when gays,
|lesbians, and bisexuals make a special effort to come out of
|the closet. 

   I looked around this year to find ways to be more out than usual,
but couldn't.  (There are two people on this planet that I'd rather
not know about me being queer, and I don't particularly care if anyone
else does.)  Hard to be more out without resorting to the really
obvious things (a tee-shirt that says "I'm a faggot, you drooling idiot"
would do the trick, I suppose.)

   Plus there's the teeny-tiny trouble that I'm fighting to keep myself
above a Kinsey 0 :-(

  david parsons, orc@sybase.com
From: klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Vanessa Redgrave to Play a Lesbian!
Summary: Coming Eventually to a Theatre Near You...
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:53:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Oct9.185341.4537
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


I finally got around to reading the Living section of last Sunday's
Oregonian on the bus this morning, and there's an interview with Vanessa
Redgrave.  I think she's a fine actor, and am glad I read the article all
the way through.  Here's the last paragraph: 

"So what is next for her?  `I'm starting a film very soon with Dorothy
Tutin and Jonathan Pryce.  I'll play a lesbian missionary in 1957 on a
trans-Atlantic liner going to England from the West Indies.  It doesn't
have a title, but the script is terrific.'"

Sounds interesting.  I can't wait!

- Gretchen (who needs some lite news occasionally, and is looking forward
to the Coming Out Day rally tonight - see you in front of Starbucks!)
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From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Tired and Impatient (was Re: Dietrich, Madonna, etc.)
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:31:37 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct15.032110.29136@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
|> In article <ldoun7INNr11@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
|> >Having dined with Phil
|> >Ronzone, I have found that though we have differing opinions on almost
|> >every topic, we do not have to stoop to insults.  Why can't you do
|> >the same?
|> 
|> How wonderful for you.  for your next test, you are to dine with Jerry
|> Falwell, smile and laugh and have a good time.  When you're done you'll
|> have earned your halo.

Well, I got Phil Ngai to go from enemy to friend... I am working on keeping
Ronzone out of motss (which only someone he respects can do...)  Next
target Clayton.

Sometimes it takes a radical approach to change people.  Other times, you
just have to talk to them.

If you try, perhaps you will find that this works....




FWA
Organization: Office of Technology Transfer, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:40:28 -0400 
From: David Jason Kyle <dk24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: REQUEST FOR QUEER THEATER SUGGESTIONS!

Gentle Readers:

I work with the Pittsburgh Queer Theater (here in, you guessed it,
lovely Pgh., PA) and we are in the process of selecting plays for our
next season...problem is, we're getting a bit stuck with finding new
work.  Specifically, we're looking for Queer Theater involving both
women and men...preferably an equitable split between the two.  Seems
there are a plethora of Gay Male plays, a fair number of Lesbian plays,
but plays with a mix of men & women are scarce.

So, I'm looking for suggestions from you, the readers of soc.motss;
please, any plays that you may know of, playwrights, places to obtain
copies of scripts...any leads at all...would be greatly appreciated.  I
should add that we're always looking for unpublished or previously
unproduced work as well...if it's good, we'll work on it.

Please do reply A.S.A.P. if you know of anything, as we'd like to get in
our final readings within the next month to make selections for next
year.

Thank you Thank you, all you Beautiful Queer People!

-= Dave Kyle   dk24@andrew.cmu.edu
From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: scalloping
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:27:21 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


our flying squirrel (richard@Apple.COM) alluded:
 
> Master of the Salt and Pepper Scallops, Arnold M Zwicky wrote:
> [....]

Is scalloping something one does
with the beard, then?

Ah, if it is, then I bet I know
what...yes, one of my favorite
sensations, indeed.

And I wouldn't mind being salt and
pepper scalloped by Arnold, either.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Ann Lander's YUCK!
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 02:43:41 GMT


In article <1992Oct14.175729.23809@rtsg.mot.com>
houser@rtsg.mot.com (Elizabeth J. Houser) writes:

To supply context, the letter to Ann Landers was from a gay
man who didn't like drag queens, etc.  Several people, I
among them, thought in passing it could have been written by
Bob Sarver.  

I speculated on what LGB people might do to reach the
"straight-acting" LGB person who, despite regularly
provoking so much scorn and dismay from some of us, is
nevertheless one of us, from the point of view of our more
virulent oppressors.

So I speculated that perhaps the key to the solution
of bringing "straight-acting" LGB people into the
fold was feminism, because ...

>In article <1992Oct13.002452.7442@macc.wisc.edu>
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>I really think the main thing is feminism.  These boys hate
>>women with a *real* passion.  

... misogyny has been seen by many, including me, as the
root cause of the problem, where men were concerned.

But I was unprepared to say that misogyny would account for
the parallel phenomenon, where lesbian (and bisexual) women
were concerned.

>>Does that also work for straight-acting lesbians, though?

As an aside, I see now that I should also have thought about
bisexual men who disapprove of certain women, in the
analogous fashion.  A further assumption on my part, though
based I think on pretty reliable information, was that any
such analog or parallel exists.

>Jess - would you mind defining "straight-acting lesbian,"
>please?

What I had in mind were lesbians who don't want other
lesbians to be "obvious" or to do anything in public that
could provide ammunition for straight bigots, etc.  But
though I have data points in my personal experience
confirming that lesbians having this attitude exist, I
wondered whether the analogy was parallel *enough* to hold
as a general statement.

>Let me guess - stereotypical bimbo - bleached bonde hair,
>implants, gobs of makeup, pounds of jewelry, brainless,
>spends all of her time shopping...(gee, sounds awful close
>to one of those "icky" drag queens people have been
>complaining about;-)

Would you in turn tell me what parallel this sought to draw,
please?  Are you asking whether I reject men in drag?  (I
don't.)  Are you asking whether I see any possibility of
misogyny in drag? (I do.)  Are you saying, by contrast, that
you *do* see drag as anti-woman (ineluctably, I mean)?  Are
you saying the Sarvers of the world are right to reject
"gay-acting" men, it being a given that they reject women of
whatever sexual persuasion?  I simply don't see the real
connection between your comment and the thing you asked me
to explain.

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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:45:40 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <BvrMD4.C8H@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>,
mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
> In <BvrJyz.MBM@scd.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
> >Jess Anderson (anderson@macc.wisc.edu) wrote:
> >> I have a decent regard for Madonna, who's nobody's dummy,
> >> but a person of the cultural stature of Dietrich she's not
> >> very likely ever to be, nor even of the stature of Janis
> >> Joplin, to pick someone in the music field.
> >
> >Who's Janis Joplin?
> 
> The character Bette Midler played in "The Rose".

Who's Bette Midler?
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*butterfly* a general name for any of the daylight Lepidoptera,
roughly distinguished from moths by their clubbed antennae:
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Xref: sparky soc.motss:43273 talk.politics.misc:51867 ca.politics:8681
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: Fear of Success (was Re: Oregon poll)
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:38:17 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Oct12.060121.29271@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl) writes:
> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> 
> : How does Measure 9, by prohibiting the state from promoting 
> : homosexuality, sanction violent attacks on homosexuals?
> 
> The answer to this question is left as an exercise to the reader.

Thank you, but you still haven't answered the question.  WHERE
does Measure 9 legalize violent attacks on homosexuals?  You provided
the text, but there is NOTHING in Measure 9's text that legalizes
what you describe.

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: M A D O N N A
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:04:38 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>>making their $$$ off her...  But somehow I just don't see people
>>raving over "Who's that Girl?" or "Dick TRacy" in comparison to,
>>oh, "Some Like it Hot.", 10, 15, 20 years from now (or even now).

>Noone says she can act.

>>	OK well then music maybe - but even then, we have legends
>>going back 20-30 years in rock now - I just can't see people going
>>gaga over the material girl in 2010AD.  

>(I've often heard this kind of thing said about modern music forms;
>'Is anyone going to be listening to this noise 20 years from now?'
>Well, duh. Sinatra hasn't disappeared; neither have the Beatles or
>the Rolling Stones or the motherfucking Eagles. It's just fear of
>change that makes people say shit like that. It's not what *I*
>listened to; how *can* it be good?)

	Read it again.  I wasn't referring to some specific work, I was
referring to her as the "performer who masturbates on stage", etc.
After 25 years, the novelty will wear off.  Now, people might still
like the music then (as you've said with your examples above), and
putting the stage show events in context to the late-80's, OK.

>>(As opposed to Tina Turner,
>>Cher, Aretha Franklin , etc. who have been performing since the 60's.)

>Fuck that noise. You seem to think everyone still likes TT & Cher &
>Aretha, but that's just nostalgia talking. Most young people could
>care less about them (except maybe Cher, because she's doing the
>Madonna thing). And you can betcher ass *I'll* be nostalgic about
>Madonna 20 years from now (not that she's not halfway there already;
>She's been pretty consistently hot for *10* *years*. Does that not
>mean anything?).

	Who cares about young people in this regard?  Some of the
"hottest thing to hit the planet" acts have been, oh Duran Duran,
New Kids on the Block, the Osmonds, the list goes on forever.
What I meant was that Madonna is not the only womon to hit it big
in the pop-music industry and that some of the other womyn have
been around and not relegated to the cocktail lounge at the
Holiday Inn for over 20 years.  She might grab a lot of limelight now,
but that's not a given it will be so in 2005.  And while I'm no
great fan of Cher (I don't dislike her or anything) I really really
doubt that she woke up one morning and said "you know I bet I could
have a comeback if I was more like Madonna".  

>People probly had these same conversations about the Beatles or about
>Marilyn Monroe too back when the youths loved them and the adults
>just couldn't understand. Let's just wait and see and quit wasting
>our breaths, shall we?

	I don't deny that, but it's funny that at the same time we
have people making the claims that Madonna is the mostest icon
ever, when at the same time there is no evidence that in the
long run she won't be (as Steve Dyer well put it) the Debbie Harry
of the early-90's.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Why you people alienate so many...
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:22:28 GMT

In article <ldoui0INNqp9@spim.mti.sgi.com> dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
>I have some advice for y'all.  Try reading what he says, and drop the
>antagonism and see what changes... Perhaps the coversations will go a little
>better.  

Blessed Mother Theresa in Chaps, save us all!

Jeff, 99% of what anyone says on the net is form, the rest content.
It's that 1% which makes it all worthwhile.  Unlike some people, I
don't do kill files.  I read everything which Matthew writes.  0.5%
of it is amusing because he shows some semblance of a sense of humor.
But even if he dumped the 99% of it which is bad attitude, the other
0.5% so far wouldn't provide us any evidence that he possessed insight,
self-awareness, wit or intelligence.  I won't say that we won't see any
yet, but I've been looking mighty hard.

I've been around at least as long as you, and I chalk much of this
phenomenon (new person enters with a splash, soaking the audience)
to a lack of calibration to existing net mores and a lack of sensitivity
to nuance.  The result is entertainment of the kind you describe.
Sometimes it's just stupifyingly boring; I'd say the Sarver threads
come under this category.  But I generally look forward to what Matthew
is going to say next.  No matter which part of that 1% we're talking
about, it's funny.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My Bad Mouth
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:45:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Oct15.144539.10187
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Oct15.064510.16597@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com
(Steve Dyer) writes:

>In article <1992Oct15.054834.19899@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>One of my trusty informants, who I believe keeps as fair a
>>track of my virtues as of my faults, informs me, with
>>evidence, that I spoke briefly but moderately ill of John
>>Dorrance ten months ago today.

>Why should that be considered a fault?  Who hasn't been
>spoken of moderately ill of here?  Only those who don't
>post.  It's a better example of how little such things matter
>in the long run.

My same informant, commenting on my contention that there
*is* no cabal (I paraphrase) suggests that I can say that
because I've not been pilloried myself.  Tell 'em how I got
here, Steve, and the reaction to my 29-post grand slam.

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From: bb099@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Adam Trent Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Looking to get FAQ'ed :-)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 03:00:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


	Could someone please send me a copy of the FAQ for this
newsgroup....


	Send it to....



	aa1439@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu



	If for some reason you cannot, just do a standard reply-
which will send to this address...


	bb099@cleveland.frenet.edu




				Thanks, :-)

-- 
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 Let me see your sacred mysteries. Reveal to me the unknown tounge."--B.O.C.
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From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Anagram program
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:08:34 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

In <67737@cup.portal.com> Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:

>Brett Manz presses his joss:

>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Definition of joss...
>>joss \'ja:s, 'jo.s\ n [pidgin E, fr. Pg deus god, fr. L - more at DEITY] :
>>   a Chinese idol or cult image
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------

>In James Clavell's novels, "joss" is a Japanese word for "luck".

Don't blame me, honey!  I didn't write the bloody definition.  Mayhaps
the Japanese was derived from the Chinese.  Sort of a verbal talisman?
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: Elton John donating all royalties?
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:45:06 GMT

mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:

>I heard a radio news report (WGST, Atlanta) at 9:15 PM last night
>that Elton John had announced he was donating all future royalties
>from all his recordings to AIDS research.

>I've seen nor heard nothing further on this.  Was i just dreaming
>after a LONG day's work, or has someone else heard this same claim?

i thought that he started doing this sometime around the mid-80's. i
thought that he picked a different research group/charity for every
album (of course, i could be wrong, so spank me).

--mike