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From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Grammar
Date: 23 Dec 92 00:40:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec22.224716.8245@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:

>Split infinitives like "...effort to clearly express my ideas..." 
>notwithstanding :-)

One theory that I've heard proposed as to why English does not allow
split infinitives is that Latin does not allow split infinitives, and
many of our verbs are taken from Latin. Of course, Latin infinitives
are only one word, so you can't split them. Personally, I find the
occasional split infinitive can be much more effective than the correct
way. Doesn't "to boldly go where no one has gone before" sound much
better than "to go boldly..." or "boldly to go"?




--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
From: jeffrey@cygnus.com (Jeffrey Osier)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: American Writers Institute - Dr. John McCollister
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:32:36 GMT
Reply-To: jeffrey@cygnus.com
Distribution: us
Organization: Cygnus Support, Mountain View, CA; +1 415 903 1409


Has anyone heard much about or taken the class given by John
McCollister?  The ad in Writer's Digest reads:
------------------------------------------------------------------
QUESTION:  Why do some freelance writers earn an extra $500 a week,
	   while most get only rejections?

ANSWER:    Those who earn money not only know how to write, they also
	   know how to SELL what they write.

Discover the secrets of those who know how to make money by writing:
	- How to get published--within 7 days
	- How to analyze your markets
	- How to get paid many times for the same article
	- How to write a query that sells
	- How to write the kind of book proposal editors want
	- How to find a New York agent
	- How to sell your poetry for 5 dollars... a word

------------------------------------------------------------------
and it gives a little bio on John McCollister, who's written 12 books
on flying and other topics (including the Christian Book of Why) and
has marketed over 500 of his own articles to what appear to be decent
publications (Sat Eve Post, Entrepreneur, others).  

What I want to know is, why does this gentleman's 2-hour seminar go
for a measly 20 bucks?  Has anyone out there taken it, and, if so,
what did you think?

(I'm going to the one in Vegas on Jan. 19, by the way.. he's in So.
California for most of Jan/Feb/March and will be up in the Bay Area
over the summer.)

Jeffrey Osier
Technical Writer, Cygnus Support
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: karen@ssdss3.asl.dl.nec.com (K. Steele)
Subject: Re: Grammar
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:34:49 GMT

Just a few thoughts: MY eigth grade English teacher taught
sentence diagramming as a game.  A competition on teams.
Although I make my living as a writer I am hard-pressed to 
define "future perfect" and past participle.  But I can 
diagram the heck out of most sentences in less than 30 seconds.
The advantage in this has been that while I can't name all the
parts of speech, it is not difficult to use them correctly.

If you enjoy cross-word puzzles or word games, you might find
that you enjoy diagramming a sentence (the old fashioned way).
Words are just tools, you can argue tense and significance
all day long, when you let yourself master the tool.
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Subject: Re: Grammar
Reply-To: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 17:07:29 GMT

In article <18872@mindlink.bc.ca>, Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca (Crawford Kilian) writes:
|> Bob Jernigan expresses surprise that Latin does not allow split infinitives,
|> and asks whether grammar police are lurking in the woodwork...sad proof that
|> we should have kept Latin in the curriculum, so Bob and others would have
|> learned that Latin infinitives are single words, just as they are in French
|> and Spanish, so you don't need "grammar cops" any more than you need gravity
|> cops.
|> 
|> While many of our verbs come from Latin (often via French), the rule against
|> split infinitives appears to have been a matter of slavish obedience to the
|> forms of a foreign language. A sensitive stylist will split an infinitive
|> like kindling if it helps the rhythm and flow of the sentence, or keep the
|> "to" and the verb together for the same reason.
|> 
|> 
|> --
|> Crawford Kilian   Communications Department   Capilano College
|> North Vancouver BC Canada V7J 3H5
|> Usenet: Crawford_Kilian@mindlink.bc.ca
|> Internet: ckilian@first.etc.bc.ca
|> 
Hmm...
" Crawford Kilian   Communications Department   Capilano College"
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Mr. Crawford Kilian, of the Communications Department(sic), is mistaken.
What was really posted?  Quote:
.......... begin original post....

|> 
|> One theory that I've heard proposed as to why English does not allow
|> split infinitives is that Latin does not allow split infinitives, and
|> many of our verbs are taken from Latin. 

Allow?  Are there grammar police lurking in the woodwork?  Grammar
is not jurisprudence.

...........end original post....

Bob Jernigan did NOT "express surprise that Latin does not allow."  There
is a difference between "allow" and "can't".  The question is not one of
no possibility, associated with "can't", but rather whether grammar 
dictates what is allowed, which is associated with possibility.

Mr. Kilian further uses his garbled premise and "sad proof that we
should have kept Latin in the curriculum."  Perhaps we should have 
also kept logic in the curriculum so that Mr. Kilian would have been
able to keep his syllogism untangled.  It has been 37 years since my
last Latin class so my Latin is a bit rusty.  As for my French and
Spanish, and for that matter German, I have a little more currency.

bob 
Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: ehp@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU ("Didi Pancake")
Subject: Re: Grammar
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:52:39 GMT

In article <Bzo3uw.FGo@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> yoshi@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil (D M Yoshikami) writes:
>Something that I forgot to mention.  One other very good way to learn
>grammar is to take a foreign language such as German or Spanish.  If
>you feel like going for the gusto, take Latin or Greek.  

I have ALWAYS maintained that the most valuable portion of my formal
education was the two years of (required) Latin in high school. That gave
me the background to understand (or at least take a stab at) vast numbers
of words in a variety of languages and particularly in the scientific
disciplines (useful since I'm a science librarian much of the time).

Anyone else feel this way about Latin or Greek? or about some other
portion of their formal educaiton? I'd be interested to hear other
opinions.

--
|   Didi Pancake          |    Managing professionals                  |
|   ehp@virginia.edu      |                  is like herding cats!     |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------|
| All the usual disclaimers about the origins of these opinions apply. |
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 10:15:14 EST
From: <BAHRIR@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Darkside Fiction Mag: Advice wanted

Tried to post this before the holiday and it appeared briefly on
the morning of Christmas Eve and then mysteriously disappeared, along
with another posting.

I wonder whether anyone else has attempted anything like our current
project.  We are a group of local writers
who are publishing a darkside fiction quarterly.
Our second issue will be out late January.

We plan to stick with a print edition at least for the time being
as our illustrators add a dimension not available electronically.  Also
we want to be as accessible as possible to potential readers.

Does anyone have any bright ideas about how to broaden our geographic
base?  The magazine is special interest fiction so there are limits
to how many readers we can find in our own immediate area.

I see Exhumed as similar to a newsletter except that the contents are
fiction, i.e. that subscriptions are a better route to go than trying
to cover the costs with advertising.

Newsstand distribution is out of the question for the forseeable
future.  The magazine is quarterly and at this point we can't afford
colour printing (although our next cover will be glossy black and white).
However there are many fine magazines out there that are rarely if ever
seen on newsstands.

Any hints you have will be sincerely appreciated.  Please e-mail to me
and I will post a synopsis to this discussion in due course.

Thanks,

Ruth Bahri
From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: American Writers Institute - Dr. John McCollister
Date: 31 Dec 1992 11:56:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jeffrey@cygnus.com (Jeffrey Osier) says:

>
>Has anyone heard much about or taken the class given by John
>McCollister?  The ad in Writer's Digest reads:
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>QUESTION:  Why do some freelance writers earn an extra $500 a week,
>	   while most get only rejections?
>
>ANSWER:    Those who earn money not only know how to write, they also
>	   know how to SELL what they write.
>
>Discover the secrets of those who know how to make money by writing:
>	- How to get published--within 7 days
>	- How to analyze your markets
>	- How to get paid many times for the same article
>	- How to write a query that sells
>	- How to write the kind of book proposal editors want
>	- How to find a New York agent
>	- How to sell your poetry for 5 dollars... a word
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>and it gives a little bio on John McCollister, who's written 12 books
>on flying and other topics (including the Christian Book of Why) and
>has marketed over 500 of his own articles to what appear to be decent
>publications (Sat Eve Post, Entrepreneur, others).  
>
>What I want to know is, why does this gentleman's 2-hour seminar go
>for a measly 20 bucks?  Has anyone out there taken it, and, if so,
>what did you think?
>
>(I'm going to the one in Vegas on Jan. 19, by the way.. he's in So.
>California for most of Jan/Feb/March and will be up in the Bay Area
>over the summer.)
>
>Jeffrey Osier
>Technical Writer, Cygnus Support
>



I went to one of these, and it was about what I expected--some tips on this
and that, plus (the main part) a sales pitch for his tapes and books. 
Since I didn't expect much, and didn't get much, I was satisfied enough.  I
regarded it as an afternoon out, and practice in driving somewhere without
getting lost. 

He's got a pretty good pitch, I guess, because a lot of people were
shelling out a couple of hundred bucks apiece for the tapes, books, etc. 
(Habits of un-wealth protect me from -ever- spending that kind of money on
impulse.)  McCollister makes it sound like the stuff is wonderful, and
claims that this is your only chance for this half-price offer, but
(knowing that he was doing several sessions in the area over a couple of
days), I figured I'd be able to walk into another session and not have my
money rejected if I decided I wanted to buy.  (I didn't, though.)

(The poetry for five dollars a word is greeting card verse.  $25 or $50 for
five or ten words equals five dollars a word.)


Bonita Kale




Newsgroups: misc.writing
From: frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Rejection Slips
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 14:52:42 GMT

In article <idoy.724771053@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu  
(Mike Wilson) writes:
> >Given that the writer has sent a clean, properly formatted manuscript to an
> >appropriate journal or magazine, and that the writer has done the research
> >and *knows* the magazine publishes the style of writing he or she produces,
> >there is no excuse for a magazine that accepts unsolicited submissions
> >to insult a writer's efforts in this way.
>
> I very much agree, but I have to say something in defense of rejection
> slips in general.
[story about personal rejection letters deleted]
>...a more general rejection made the process
> much less painful for everyone involved.

Once I heard Frederick Pohl tell a story of a man who submitted a story a week  
to IF magazine when Pohl was editor.  Every story was awful, and Pohl sent this  
poor man form rejection letters every week.  Once he took pity on the man and  
wrote a personal note telling him that his work lacked basic components of a  
good story, and that he should stop submitting his work until he learns to fix  
these problems, or maybe consider another line of work.

Said writer took this as personal encouragement, and sent two stories a week.

And from the other side ... I once got a three-page rejection letter/critique  
from one magazine; it both depressed the hell out of me, and made me wonder if  
the editor was paying attention in some spots ...

So yes, a *polite* and *tactful* form letter is definitely the way to go.

--
Frank Mitchell,	Business Systems Analyst, First National Bank of Chicago
email:frank@fnbc.com (NeXTmail)

"A sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology."
-- me, I think (twisting Clarke's Law, of course)
From: sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com (Fred Welden)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Request for a new word (or maybe a neologism)
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:37:02 GMT
Organization: Dobonia
Originator: sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com


In article <Bzo19r.MMH@unx.sas.com>, saslpo@stevens.unx.sas.com (Len Olszewski) writes:
|
|In article <28855@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, roth@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Pete Roth) writes:
||> What do YOU call e-mail correspondence ?
||>
||> "Talk" is certainly incorrect.
||> "Writing" doesn't seem to fit.
||> "e-mailing" doesn't have the right ring.
||> "Networking" applies in other areas.
||>
||> "Flaming" describes a certain kind of correspondence, but I'm looking
||> for a word that describes civilized discourse.
||>
||> So _what_, already ?
||>
|
|It's "online". I get in touch with you online, you reply online; one of
|us keeps a summary of our online correspondence, and so forth. Posting
|to a newsgroup qualifies as online communication, as does email.
|
||> (winners will be notified by e-mail. you need not be present to win)
||>
|
|Good; online notification. Hey, if you disagree, let me know online,
|would you?
|

Puts me in mind of an expression I first heard at TypEx in Chicago
(I think it was 1986?).  Some IBM rep was presenting their latest
sales spiel in the guise of an objective comparison of several
formatting products.  Someone stood up and asked "So, have you got
something that actually runs, or is this just more vaporware from
Big Blue?"

The presenter very coolly responded "Let's take that question offline,
shall we?  Are there any other questions?"

-- 
--Fred, or another blind 8th-century BC  |  sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com
        Hellenic poet of the same name.  |
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: <MMEEROPO%WNEC@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Subject:  searching for info re immigration discrimination
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: ?
Resent-From: "Rich Winkel" <MATHRICH@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:29:32 GMT

Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 14:35:03 CET
From: bstring@MAINZ-EMH2.ARMY.MIL
Subject: Wanted: Case Histories on discrimination in U.S. Immigration Policy

The producers of African Connections(R) are conducting research on the issue of
discrimination against persons of African ancestry seeking to enter the
United States.

While success stories of immigrants from Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, Cuba,
Mexico and the Indian subcontinent abound with regularity in the popular media,
 a strong perception exists that often inpenetrable barriers exist for Blacks
seeking to enter the U.S. - whether as students, tourists, or as political
refugees.

The detention of Hatians and the denial of a student visas to African students
call for a very serious examination of United States immigration policies and
their implementation.

AFRICAN CONNECTIONS(R) will prepare a 30 minute video presentation examining
 therealities of this important topic, and its far reaching implications for the
African and African-American communities. The program will air during the
second half of 1993.

Your assistance in providing research leads and case studies is greatly
appreciated.



Please contact:

AFRICAN CONNECTIONS(R)
c/o East Bay Media Center
2054 University Avenue, Suite 203
Berkeley, CA 94704

Phone: 510-658-6624
    Wanted: Case Histories on discrimination in U.S. Immigration Poli
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
Subject: Req: Women's health clinics
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:41:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mont.1993Jan3.184100.14683
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Organization: ?
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu

A friend of mine from South Africa who is in the ANC women's collective
would like to spend some time in the US learning about how women's health
centers are run, also learning about rape crisis centers.  If anyone has
any idea about whom she could contact, please send me E-mail.

Also if there are any colleges with programs in this area, please let me know.

Steve Timm
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: World Perspectives <worldpnews@igc.apc.org>
Subject: Wage discrimination in Australia
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: ?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:04:53 GMT

/* Written  5:11 pm  Dec 21, 1992 by worldpnews@igc.apc.org in igc:worldp.samples */
/* ---------- "Wage discrimination in Australia" ---------- */
>From WORLD PERSPECTIVES. Box 3074, Madison, WI 53704

AUSTRALIA
 A study by the Australian Human Rights Commission has found that
women are still paid considerably less than their male
counterparts. The study looked at sex discrimination in over-award
payments, and the commission's report was tabled in parliament Dec
17.

Federal Sex Discrimination Commissioner, Quentin Garth, says the
report sounds a warning about what could happen to women's wages in
a less regulated industrial relations system. He says measures have
to be put in place now to prevent the disparity in male and female
payments grow any wider.

The report has found that full time workers are five times more
likely to receive over-award payments than part time workers. Yet
80% of the part time workforce is made up of women . 

The report has recommended unions and individuals make use of the
six discrimination acts to bring parity in wages. It has also
recommended over-award payments be made to part time workers. (R.
Australia 12/17)
=================================================================

      OTHER NEWS TODAY ON THE SUBSCRIBERS-ONLY WORLDP.NEWS:

Hunger in Brazil; Haiti military coup anniversary; Strike in
Vietnam; On East Timorese situation; Aceh separatists killed.

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Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: Women's Peace Brigade on Israeli Deportations
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: PACH
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:30:24 GMT

/** mideast.action: 42.0 **/
** Topic: PRESS RELEASE: WOMEN'S PEACE DELEGA **
** Written 10:37 pm  Dec 22, 1992 by pnmideast in cdp:mideast.action **
From: <pnmideast>
Subject: PRESS RELEASE: WOMEN'S PEACE DELEGATION

==========================================================================

                                     PRESS RELEASE

                  WOMEN'S PEACE DELEGATION OF THE 
                   MIDDLE EAST CHILDREN'S ALLIANCE

DECEMBER 21, 1992		CONTACT: PENNY ROSENWASSER
					                   9722895085 PHONE
						              9722894023 FAX

	The Women's Peace Delegation to Israel and Palestine, 
sponsored by the Middle East Children's Alliance, consisting of 
women from the United States and Great Britain, today issues 
the following statement.
	"We are outraged by the illegal deportation of over 400 
Palestinians from their rightful homeland and demand the 
Israeli Government's immediate compliance with U.N. 
Resolution 799.  We further demand that the U.N. and our 
governments enforce the U.N. Resolution.
	"We have witnessed the inhumane conditions in refuge 
camps, the effects of military actions on unarmed children, the 
institutionalized denial of basic human rights, and the 
"administrative detention" of teenagers.  We have seen the 
sealed homes and the confiscated lands and have witnessed 
the systematic discrimination of the Palestinian people.
	"As women we are appalled by the recent action of the 
Israeli Government and we call upon women from around the 
world to protest this injustice."

	Signed:	Gloria Al-Ajarmoh, Brighton, England
			Joyce Bacon, Corona, California
			Ellen Barfield, Dallas, Texas
			Amy Beth, Brooklyn, New York
			Janet Coe, Mill Valley, California
			Reem Diab, Chicago, Illinois
			Lindsey Dobson, St. Paul, Minnesota
			Patricia Dobson, Chicago, Illinois
			Arla Ertz, San Francisco, California
			Diane Goldstein, San Francisco, California
			Augustine Grodson, Tucson, Arizona
			Esther Neuwirth, San Francisco, California
			Toni Roberts, New York, New York
			Penny Rosenwasser, Oakland, California
			Dorothy Sauber, Minneapolis, Minnesota



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Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: Today's Quote...
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: ?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:35:16 GMT


According to David Paletz and Robert Entman, the "general impact of 
the mass media is to socialize people into accepting the legitimacy of 
their country's political system; ... lead them to acquiesce in America's 
prevailing social values; ... direct their opinions in ways which do 
not undermine and often support the domestic and foreign objectives of 
elites; ... and deter them from active, meaningful participation in 
politics -- rendering them quiescent before the powerful." 

(In Graber, Ed, _Media Power in Politics_ 81) 

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