From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Subject: Re: STATUE OF IMMIGRATION
Summary: More refutation
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:45:46 GMT

In article <C0MG5p.DHC@ddsw1.mcs.com>, arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>  
>  Article 37019 (20 more) in misc.headlines:
>  
>  >Except for the American Indian movement - all lobbyists are
>  immigrant lobbyists.
>  
>  I was under the impression that one's children are NOT 
>  immigrants but natural born citizens.
>  

BINGO!  DAYLIGHT SEEPS IN AT LAST! Yes that is true, and I'm
glad to here you admit it.  The children of the people who came in
them and who are coming in now are full fledged American citizens
who will buy up the stuff in the stores and pay their taxes and
work and all that stuff.  so who are the "immigrant lobbyists"
you were grousing about?  Emma Lazarus, whose family was here
a LONG time ago (she's from an old Sephardic family as I remember),
certainly doesn't qualify.

>>and a beautiful poem it is.  She was Jewish you know.

>  I wonder how beautiful you would think it was if written by, 
>  let's say a goose-stepping German.  Or how bout a nice 
>  Moslem Arab?  Somehow I suspect, it never would have made it 
>  to the Statue of Immigration.

I doubt if the words in that poem could have been conceived,
much less written by a "goose-stepping German".  A lot of them
made it past the Statue of Liberty, as shown by the German-American
Bund prior to WW II.  However, they wanted people out of every
country they live in (much like you), not brought in.  In fact,
"goose-stepping Germans" wanted people expelled even when their
families had been in the country for many generations. 

As for Moslem Arabs you seem seem to be implying that they could not
get past the Statue as well.  Odd that there are so many in the US,
isn't it?  Let me quote from _Around the World in New York"
(Konrad Bercovici, 1924) - Chapter II "The Syrian Quarters"):

	Take the Sixth Avenue Elevated at Forty-second Street,
	or wherever you happen to be, and in a few minutes you
	are in Rector Street; walk a block westward to Washington
	Street and you are in Syria.

The entire chapter is a beautiful description of the coffehouses,
silversmiths, and the 3000 people who lived there.  When I lived
in Brooklyn there was a large Arab neighborhood on Atlantic
Avenue.  Doesn't sound as if they've been kept out, does it?
>  
>  >You're sure it's not the comp<xion of the immigrants that
>  bothers you, rather than the complexion of the poem.
>  
>  It seems that you are the one hung up on complexion of 
>  people's skin.
>  

Me?  You're the one who's doing all the complaining.  I never
said a word until you tried to keep them out.

>  
>  >  "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning
>  >  to breathe free, THE WRETCHED REFUSE OF YOUR TEEMING SHORE,
>  >  send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me."
>  >                 ........................
>  >
>  
>  <Wonderful poem.  Symbolizes everything that is great about
>  America.  I udnerstand you were not born here Jack so maybe
>  you don't know - but this country was built by that refuse.
>  
>  WRONG!  This country was built by hard working immigrants 
>  with a dream far different from the refuse that is now 
>  pouring into the country.  They wanted to be American and 
>  have the american dream.  The new wave wants it too but it 
>  is the welfare cow they want now and they don't want to be 
>  Americans, they want to be hyphenated----- Americans.
>  

Oh, bullshit!  They are out there working like horses. They
up before dawn to be at the Fruit Mart at 4 am.  They are
working 20 hours a day.  Their kids work in their stores and
get top grades in schools.  They work tiny fishing boats on
West Coast despite being shot at by "real americans". We're
lucky to have these people.

>  >From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
>  >Subject: Re: The Blessings of MULTICULTURALISM
>  
>  >The bucket was not full then, and I hardly think it's full 
>  now.  There are parts of the country that are crowded and
>  there are parts that are not.
>  
>  You are exhibiting an appalling ignorance of ecology, 
>  biology and environmental science.
>  

Not me.  The people who complained the country was full when
we had 20 states.

>  >The funny thing about people on the right is that I've seen 
>  the same people put forward the same two arguments:
>  
>  >1)  All this stuff about "population explosion" is false 
>  and  "gloom and doom" stuff.  Why we could all fit into 
>  Texas and still feed ourselves like kings.
>  
>  >2)  America is full up and we can't let anyone else in - 
>  especially if their skin isn't white.
>  
>  You simply make a case for the idiocy of wearing lables and 
>  your knee-jerk need to lable me a right-winger.
>  
>  I have never heard any of the braindead rightwingers take 
>  the two positions you just stated.  They always deny a 
>  population problem.
>  
Excuse me - BUT THAT IS YOUR BRAINDEAD IDEA (pay attention).


marc colten

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