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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Book on TKD kicks
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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Date:  1 OCT 92 16:06:52    


In article <1992Oct1.171945.11864@bnrmtl.bnr.ca>, carbon@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Peter Carbon) writes...
>I am looking for a good book which describes the various types
>of kicks used in Tae Kwon Do. Is there such a thing? If so could
>someone please email me or post as it may be of interest to others.
>Thanks in advance,
> 
> Peter Carbon
> bnrmtl!carbon@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
> 

There are actually a pretty fair number of them.  I have over 
a dozen that cover the subject with varying degrees of depth and
different emphasis, and by no means do I have all or even most of those
published.  

Of the ones I've seen, possibly the best for describing the mechanics of
Korean style kicks is Chong Lee's _Dynamic_Kicks_, from Unique Pubs or
Ohara, or one of those houses associated with Black Belt magazine at some
time.  This one isolates the principles of the kicks really well,
and uses strobe photos as well as individual stop action shots to
illustrate them.  Also, the verbal descriptions tell you what key muscle
groups (simple terms, not technically) should be tensed and relaxed
at the focus point of the kick.  

Lee also has a number of follow-on books in the series, but none really
captures the mechanics with the same depth as _Dynamic_Kicks_.  

If you need more details or want a longer list of references, let me know.
But I can tell you that this one helped improved my technique several hundred
percent when I was in TKD, it really captures the beauty and power of the 
movements about as well as can be done in still pictures, imo.

					kind regards,

					todd
From: aaron@cse.ucsc.edu (Aaron Emigh)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Re- pull/sprain
Date: 29 Sep 1992 23:18:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
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In article <9209260317.AA14728@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> david_yeh@MACMAIL.MED.NYU.EDU ("David Yeh") writes:
[...]
>Ibuprofen belongs to a class of drugs called non-steroidal anti-inflammatory
>drugs (NSAIDs), as does Asprin, Tylenol, etc.  

Are you sure?  I have been under the distinct impression that, unlike
aspirin and ibuprufin, acetaminophin is not an anti-inflammatory.

>-DavID,
>     Resident bookworm

Aaron Emigh
aaron@iit.com
aaron@cse.ucsc.edu
From: mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido Yoshinkai Demonstration -- Bay Area
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:35:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: atomic.MHIRSCH.92Sep29113508
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
Originator: news@nimaster

>>>>> On 29 Sep 92 01:42:24 GMT, braun@fisher.ucdavis.edu (Jerome Braun) said:

  [Announcement deleted]
> Quick biography of Morita Sensei:

  [biography deleted]
>      In 1975, Morita Sensei came to the United States
> to help establish Aikido Yoshinkai in North America.
> Today he is head of the Aikido Association of Northern
> California.  

Just a small nit: I quote from Cindy Paloma's Aikido online dojo list:

AANA (Aikido Association of North America) is under the direction of Kimeda,
           Morita, and Utada.  The style is influenced by Yoshinkan Aikido.

AANC (Aikido Association of Northern California) is under the direction 
           of Frank Doran, Robert Nadeau, and Bill Witt.  Dan ranks 
           are registered at Aikikai Hombu Dojo.

So, yes, Morita Sensei is hot stuff, but he is not associated with the
AANC, just the AANA (which is, of course, larger).
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From: pcs@wavefront.wti.com (Peter Slaughter)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Need address for Aiki News
Keywords: Aiki News
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:15:09 GMT
Organization: Wavefront Technologies Inc, Santa Barbara, CA

Does anyone know the mailing address for Aiki News. I'd like to get
a subscription to their magazine. Is it a good publication?

Peter
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From: dpf@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Doug P Forbush)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: My first tournament - pointers?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:14:38 GMT
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>>  I'm going to my first Tae Kwan Do tournament this weekend 
>>  What should I expect?
>>  ...

>   Expect usenet to flame you and tell you tournaments are not the Way!
>   ...


WHY expect to get flamed about tournaments???  
===

I'm not a regular subscriber to this group so if this is some old thread 
just send email.


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From: GMS@psuvm.psu.edu (Gerry Santoro - CAC/PSU)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:22:23 GMT
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Organization: Penn State University

This discussion is very interesting.  I'd like to offer a few points:

- With regards to carrying a weapon on an airplane -- why?  If I want to
  carry nunchucks, etc. to a distant city (something to do in the evening)
  I check it in my luggage.  Last thing I would want is someone swinging
  'chucks in coach.  (Now in first class is another story.) (:-)

- I still prefer a good umbrella, and I have carried them on airplanes,
  although I check them at the front of the plane.

- With respect to concerts -- I can understand why they take weapons away
  just as I can understand why you would want to carry one.  My best advice
  here is to study a good empty-hand style.  You can't always have a weapon
  with you.  If worse comes to worse you can use your belt (as long as
  your pants don't fall down).  For in-close fighting (such as you might
  encounter in a crowd) I recommend wing-chun.

gerry santoro
academic computing/speech communication
penn state university
Aikido Koki-Kai
From: weigand@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Steve Weigand)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: one to ten in korean
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:35:49 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <XoF7RB2w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> miller@bluemoon.rn.com (John Miller) writes:
>jmw1@ra.msstate.edu (John Westerburg) writes:
>
>>    If some kind soul out there could post or mail me the Korean 
>> words (with pronunciation) for the numbers one through ten, I would
>> be greatly appreciative.  Not to mention it being good karma.....
>1 = IL (ill)
>2 = YI (ee as in week, no Y sound)
>3 = SAM (sahm and in samba)
>4 = SAH (sah as in sahm without the m)
>5 = OH (long O sound)
>6 = YOOK (oo as in kookie NOT cookie)
>7 = CHIL (as as CH + IL from above)
>8 = PAL (hard P, ahl as in all)
>9 = KU (koo as in kookie)
>10 = SHIP (sheep, but abrupt vowel sound)
>
>John Miller (my Korean wife was very explicit about the pronounciations)
>
> This is from
>     miller@bluemoon.rn.com
>who doesn't have his (or her) own obnoxious signature yet

I was taught it as : Hana, dul, set, net, do-sat, yol-sat, il-guhp, yo-dul,
  ahup, yuhl.. yuhl-hana, yuhl-dool,yuhl-set, yuhl-net...

Is this another form of counting, or just the number system itself? Is this
a particular dialect? Or are these numbers only used in some situations?

Thanx, 
 - Steve Weigand
 (weigand@ee.udel.edu)
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From: lund@ssd.kodak.com (Nate Lund)
Subject: Re: My first tournament - Results
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 07:39:01 GMT

In article <MARY.92Sep30220108@martinique.Cayman.COM>
                                     mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:

[the following line, which I've taken out of context ... :-)]

>kind of tricky.  Again, there are simpler and less error-prone alternatives.

Imagine that.  A TKD person saying this about a TKD kick...  8-D

"Oops, better duck.  No, wait, run away.  No, wait, run away, _then_ duck.  No,
wait, ..." KRUNCH, Thud...  O%-p

I tried to resist, honest, it must have been the jet lag.  :-)

Nate
nlund@kodak.com
From: paschjc@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Katanas, help!
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:03:24 CDT
Summary: Need help.
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY


I have tried and tried to find a book or manual on traditional 
Japanese sword fighting.  I have failed miserably.  If anyone
has any information about this subject, I would greatly a 
appreciate it.  

I CHING
 
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From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: ma movies and books
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:14:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.203502.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> mautzcl@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>I was just wondering if anyone out there in MA-land can recommend any good
>martial arts movies - not the cheesy translated stuff, but any with decent
>plots and a good representation of ma styles.  I have seen all the recent
>movies - J.C. Van Damme's library, Speakman's (which i thought was great),
>Norris', and Brandon Lee's Showdown in Little Tokyo.

	You haven't seen Brandon Lee in Rapid Fire yet?
	Tsk, tsk.  Good flick.  (Good fights scenes,
	good plot, non-zero acting, etc.)
					--Alan Hu
From: mhirsch@atomic.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The USA Team for the World Kuoshu Championships Needs Your Help
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:24:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: atomic.MHIRSCH.92Sep29112441
	<BvB77C.H3@inews.Intel.COM> <1992Sep29.122807.16846@bnr.co.uk>
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
Originator: news@nimaster

>>>>> On 29 Sep 92 12:28:07 GMT, dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches) said:

DSR> In the referenced article wwitt@adara.intel.com (Wolf Witt) writes:

>In article <1992Sep25.194340.10210@eng.umd.edu> doug@eng.umd.edu
>(Douglas N. Cohen) writes:
>>In article <Bv27sy.52I@nntp-sc.Intel.COM> wwitt@adara.intel.com () writes:
>>

>
>>	< shameless agrandisement deleted >
>
>agrandisement? Hmm... I don't know this word (I'm not a native, you know)
>and neither does my office dictionary.

DSR> It's not known... but Aggrandisement is... it means "make appear
DSR> greater than the reality", he means you're exaggerating :-)

Of course, on this side of the pond such an exaggeration is an
"aggrandizement".  :-)  Thanks god for on-line dictionaries that
suggest spellings.
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From: cobra@ziggys.cts.com (Ron Lee)  619/262-6384
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Butterfly Knife
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 13:13:36 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ziggy's Den Of Iniquity, East of East SD CA

eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West) writes:

} 
} 
} I'm  working on a patent search, and it could _really_ ease the job if
} someone could tell me:
} 
} - Under what patents the butterfly knife is/was manufactured.
} 
}  or, failing that,
} 
} - When the first butterfly knives appeared in the U.S.
} 
} or, failing that,
} 
} - Whether there's a book out there that might answer these questions.
} 
} Direct e-mail would be great!
} 


This is also being sent via Email to the author, but I thought others 
might like to know:

 Try _The_Balisong_Manual_  and _The Advanced_Balisong_Manual_
 
 The Bali-sung is a Pillipino weapon that was imported (I believe)
 after the U.S. comandeered the Phillipines during WWII.
 
 I believe the patent is owned by California Cutlery (or some such)
 based in Northern California -- which is pretty strange because
 the weapon is considered illegal in this state.
 
 I think the books were written by Dan Inosanto, or some such 
 pretty-famous martial artist.  Look for it in general bookstores.
 
 I know I'm being pretty vague, but this is off the top of my head.
 If you REALLY want details, let me know and I'll borrow a copy from
 a friend and give you the publishing info on the inside cover.

NOTE:  The weapon is a "Bali-sUng" patented as "Bali-sOng" by --Ah, I 
remember--Pacific Cutlery in northern California.

              cobra@ziggys.cts.com - BBS (619)262-6384
                 Ziggy's Den Of Iniquity 
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From: haro@triton.unm.edu (..KANEDA..)
Subject: Shorin-Ryu vs Shotokan
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 03:50:30 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Which is better Shorin-ryu or Shotokan?

and which of the two is better if they matched each other.


Seeking infinite knowledge

RICK
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: cane techniques
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:58:36 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA


Hapkido teaches the cane.  But what other arts do?  Right now, I improvise
using jo and boken techniques, and add what I've learned from a few seminars
and picked up from people I've practiced with, but I'd like to explore 
the full potential of the weapon.

How about some books - hapkido or whatever - that illustrate cane techniques?
Would fencing techniques be applicable ? (I'd imagine that sabre style 
fencing would work fine)

								wr
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Tai Chi Basic Movements (Was : Re: A few questions about T'ai Chi..)
Date: 2 Oct 1992 21:10:31 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
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Keywords: Wardoff, Rollback, Press, Push, Open, Close

In article <1992Oct2.031859.9525@equalizer.cray.com> luong@cray.com (Luong Nguyen-Duy) writes:
>I think Wardoff/rollback/press/push (Peng, Lu, Ji,An) are very much the basic,
>and important movements in the Chen form (the first form).  If one only
>looks at specific body postition/strucure to identify the movements, then yes,
>there are very few places that these four moves are used.  But if one looks
>at these movements as muscle/energy pattern and inner control then they are
>used all over in the form, especially Peng (wardoff).
>Example : In single whip, the left hand does the Wardoff.  "Wave-hands
>like clouds" are just series of presses.

Well, at that point, you could make the same argument for just about any
martial art.  I don't see what it would get you, though, unless you were
really attached to Yang style and wanted to turn everything into it.

Some of the comments in this thread make me wonder whether there are a bunch
of people out there practicing Chen style as some sort of funny looking Yang
style.  The principles and application of Chen style are essentially helical
(twining) and the principles and application of Yang style are essentially
cylindrical (reeling silk).  I just don't see how you can casually interpret
one as the other and vice versa.



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From: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Subject: Re: one to ten in korean
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:11:56 GMT
Reply-To: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

In article <XoF7RB2w165w@bluemoon.rn.com>, miller@bluemoon.rn.com (John
Miller) writes:
|> 1 = IL (ill)
|> 2 = YI (ee as in week, no Y sound)
|> 3 = SAM (sahm and in samba)
|> 4 = SAH (sah as in sahm without the m)
|> 5 = OH (long O sound)
|> 6 = YOOK (oo as in kookie NOT cookie)
|> 7 = CHIL (as as CH + IL from above)
|> 8 = PAL (hard P, ahl as in all)
|> 9 = KU (koo as in kookie)
|> 10 = SHIP (sheep, but abrupt vowel sound)

I'm pretty sure that what you have here is first, second, third, forth, etc
rather than one, two, three, four, etc

Joel Stave
stave@apollo.hp.com
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Kimiwasa?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 23:43:28 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Hoonkgh Rwaorr

In article <1992Oct6.142030.5953@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>d88domze@odalix.ida.liu.se (Dominik Zemmler (dZ)) writes...
>>hhv@rhi.hi.is (Eldark) writes:
>> 
>>>that this art is one of the oldest forms, developed by monks in 300 A.D.
>> 
>>Well, you seem to be at the right place to get some info, because this art
>>originates from Iceland. I have practised it in Sweden for a year, the
>>teacher was from Iceland. 
>
>There were monks in the 4th century in Iceland, devloping martial arts ?  
>This is very interesting if true.

That's nothing.  I know a guy who is studying Hoongkh Rwaorr.  It's an art
that was developed by a nomadic tribe of hunter-gatherers in the Pleistocene
to defend themselves from saber-tooth tigers.

>>The art itself included just about everything. It had elements from every
>>known and unknown martial art, 

Yes, but does it include the famous "Crush Head with Big Rock" weapon form
from Hoongkh Rwaorr?

Didn't think so.


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Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:16:32 -0400 
From: Stephen Chan <sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Shorin-Ryu vs Shotokan

haro@triton.unm.edu (..KANEDA..) writes:
> Which is better Shorin-ryu or Shotokan?

	Hey, you're new around here, aren't you?

	I hearby award you a white belt in net jutsu.
	Watch the seniors, pay good attention, and in about three
months, you will qualify for your lemon belt test.

> and which of the two is better if they matched each other.

	They really reflect the character of the societies which
generated them. Shotokan is much bolder, and physically manifests
lots of spirit. Shorin-Ryu is more conservative and practically
oriented. Shotokan is low and powerful, Shorin-Ryu is light and fast.
	Those are pretty generic characterizations. Hopefully not too
flameworthy. 

> Seeking infinite knowledge

	Where ya gonna put it all?

> RICK

	Stephen Y. Chan
	stevec+@cmu.edu
From: plc@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Model Mugging (long)
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:28:29 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Sep30.044247.17304@alw.nih.gov>,
drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes: 
> In article LGOODIN@WORLDBANK.ORG (Laura Goodin) writes:
>>In article schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) wrote:
>>> 	I just stay out of eastern DC.
>>
>>Don't kid yourself.  I live, work, and train in Northwest DC and it's not
>>much better most places all over town.  Remember the World Bank staffer's
>>kid who was shot while doing yardwork?  In one of the "best" parts of town? 
>>For no reason whatsoever?
> 
> I agree it is better to steer clear of the known free fire
> zones, but Laura is right that this isn't so simple anymore. 
 (snip)
>
> Richard A. Drury
> drury@helix.nih.gov

Just another data point on random violence...
Two days ago a couple was attacked walking on a path near Cornell at 9:30 pm.
It's still unclear as to what exactly happened, but so far it is believed 
that four men attempted to rob the couple and then attacked them with ROCKS. 
The woman is still in the local hospital but is expected to make it; 
the man was evacuated to a hospital in Sayre, PA where he remains in critical 
condition. 

Thought stoning was an obsolete means of execution :<( .

Now, Ithaca is usually considered a relatively safe, secluded college town. 
I've walked that path myself many times without worry (though not at night). 
This incident has shocked the community deeply and made me a bit more 
paranoid (careful?) about where I go. If things like this can happen 
here...etc, etc.

So, what's the best defense against rocks? If you can't run away, that is.

Pat Cleveland
pc11@cornell.edu
Dept. Pharmacology
Cornell University

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From: ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross)
Subject: Re: On Explaining Aikido
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:31:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.181140.16237@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:

>concepts.   The only problem is where teaching the intellectual knowledge
>of the concepts is confused with teaching the performance of the skills.
>The two are entirely separable for most lessons.
>

	I'm coming into this out-of-context, but I've found some people need to
hear the big picture before being able to work on the "details" and others who
need to grunt it out before stepping back to see what they've been doing.


>I have to add that the reason I'm responding to this is that when I 
>trained in and taught Aikido in Philly, I was continually running across
>people who I could best describe as an embarrasement, who could mouth off
>about Ki and Zen and all things spiritual and theoretical for hours
>(and unfortunately sometimes did so instead of training) but couldn't
>perform even the most basic movements with mind and body truly coordinated,
>the true essence of the art.  When it came time to perform, it was always 
>excuse time.   Not exactly the example set by the masters, I think.
>
>Everyone understands leadership by example.  Striving and challenge and 
>self-improvement, even those that can't speak a word of Japanese or tell 
>_Heiho_ from _Hyoho_ from HoHos or tell _Yomi_ from YoYos from Yodels.  
>The better you can demonstrate what to do, the less the need for
>verbal hows and whys will pop up.   The least talented performers seem
>to have the most elaborate explanations.   I know, because I continually
>have to curb my tendency to run off at the mouth.  :-)
>

	As I learn more about how to teach I see more of the truth of what you
say.  My students used to call me "The Rabbi" because I liked to expound on
topics endlessly.  OK, I admit:  I still overdo it at times :-}  But I'm
learning! 


	Rich
From: xiliu@cats.ucsc.edu (Xi Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Aikijo Questions
Date: 1 Oct 1992 05:23:04 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


   Hi Aikidoists,

      Recently I have been interested in Aikijo practice. Lots of fun.
   Though questions are as follows.
      
      1) There are no YOKOMENs in 31 count kata (Saito sensei's style) but
   straight shomens( True?). And then what are those count 5,6,7 and 8?

      2) In Saito sensei's Aikijo videotape he said that the important
   point is that ending at the same point where you started after finishing the
   kata. Any suggestions to make that happen without spoiling the forward
   movement ?

      Any suggestions or comments?

      Best wishes.

                 ------ jolearner

      
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