From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: The Mendacity of Susan Garvin, Part 2 [Was: Meet Pete...]
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Keywords: PHoney does spelling flames
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 02:27:18 GMT

In article <nyikos.725569327@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:

>>#In a more serious vein, Mark Cochran is quickly moving to the forefront
>>#of candidates for the label "pro-abortionist" (not to be confused with
>>#pro-abort: see my post on suggested FAQ entries).  He shows a most
>>#ready willingness to dismiss the testimony of a pro-choice feminist
>>#as "unsubstantiated hearsay garbage" while believing in the integrity
>>#of the abortionist who fired her.
>
>>No, PHoney, Mark is rejecting your testimony.  You're a known liar -
>>why should he believe you?			^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Susan, I would like to know on what you base this libelous accusation.
>
Your unretracted, unappologised for accusations about Adrienne spring
to the mind PHoney...

>>Congratulations on finally admitting that Tivis is a disgruntled
>>former employee with an axe to grind.  Your misleading comments
>>about her before made her appear to be an unbiased witness.
>
>I wonder what accounts for this curious failure to acknowledge that
>I said NOTHING NEW above about Tivis.  The following excerpts are
>from the original post in the MEET GEORGE TILLER, LATE-TERM ABORTIONIST
>series.
>
>__________________________Excerpts from TILLER post______________________
>
>   Luhra Tivis, a pro-choice former NOW officer and former
>employee of Tiller's clinic, wrote the following in a July 9, 1991 
>letter to three Wichita councilmen: "Dr. Tiller measures the
>BPD (bi-parietal diameter) at its narrowest point, instead of
>at the usually measured widest point, leading to a BPD reading
>by Dr. Tiller of, say, 24 weeks gestation, when the accepted norm
>might be 26 weeks gestation--however, this method is not illegal,
>but is currently just a matter of accepted practice."

So we are to take your word for it that this woman is Pro-Choice etc.
All we know for sure is that she was fired, and that makes her
credibility suspect.
As for the location for measuring the BPD, the choice of location is
not universally accepted by any means. It is the subject of on-going
debate. And there is as much evidence to support the narrowest point
as being the more accurate determinate as there is for the widest
point.

>Two of many possible explanations:
>
1 - Susan is right, and you *are* a well known liar.

>
>>#Susan Garvin has posted lavish praise of Tiller in the past.  I wonder
>>#what she will say to impugn the testimony of Luhra Tivis, testifying
>>#before the Kansas State Senate.
>
>>I wonder what PHoney will say about these words from one of Dr.
>>Tiller's patients:
>
>>"I have to say that the staff and and the doctor of the clinic must
>>be the most courageous, committed and loving people I have met
>>in a while.  They treated all of us with the utmost respect and
>>kindness.  They will always hold a special place in my heart."
>
>>I think she knows a lot more about Dr. Tiller's practice than
>>does a lying buffoon who is merely speculating, or a
>			     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>More evidence that Susan never read my original post on Tiller.
>
No, mearly evidence that a woman who has actually been treated in Dr.
Tillers clinic knows more about it then an employee who was fired, and
is mearly grinding her axe.

>Here is the story of another woman--or was it the same woman?  I "posted"
>it back in August, but it defaulted to the local net.
>
Your article was limited to the local net? How lucky for us. That's
the sort of newsserver we could all learn to love.


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