HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins)
Subject: Re: A paper I wrote for a speech class
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 13:51:30 GMT
Organization: DG. SID, Atlanta, GA

In article <Bz226J.InG@news.iastate.edu>, mds@iastate.edu (Mark D. Smucker) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec9.172006.27014@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
|> >   Interesting that your paper concludes that Jed is full of hate.
|> >   You could not be more wrong.  Intolerant, yes.  But not full of hate.
|> 
|> Yo! Wake up!  

      You wake up!  I say that you do not know Brother Jed.  I do know
      him and I have had had many more one-on-one discussions than just
      a breakfast.  He is taking his time to warn you because he thinks
      you deserve a chance, like he got.  
 
|> >   Perhaps you think it's a virtue to be tolerant of everyone.
|> 
|> Yes, I do.   

      Your true position revealed and thus the bone of contention.
      God is not tolerant of sin.  He hates it.  But he offers you a way
      out - if you will accept it.

|> 
|> Mark D. Smucker   ----   mds@iastate.edu   
|> 

   - Bill

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From: jjt@spchsys.spchsys (John J. Turley)
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
Subject: Re: A paper I wrote for a speech class
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:31:37 GMT
Reply-To: jjt@spchsys.UUCP (John J. Turley)
Organization: Speech Systems Incorporated, Tarzana, California

>In article <1992Dec14.135130.5061@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com
>(Bill Rawlins) writes concerning Jed's inability to tolerate:

>>>   Perhaps you think it's a virtue to be tolerant of everyone.
>>> 
>>|> Yes, I do.   
>> 
>>       Your true position revealed and thus the bone of contention.
>>       God is not tolerant of sin.  He hates it.  But he offers you a way
>>       out - if you will accept it.
>> 

If I might ask about this here: Why is it that people who claim that they
somehow know what God wants always deliver the same poison? It's either
'God hates this' or 'God must destroy that'. Then they tell you that
you must totally submit to their dogma, completely (with your mind, your
heart, and let's not forget your WALLET). They say that failure to comply
will result in eternal suffering. This is Jed's message.

But in the last few years we have seen some major icons of organized religion
suffer. Jimmy Swaggart (?sp), may preach all he wants about the evils
of porn and prostitution-- after all, if ANYONE would know about these things,
he sure would. Need I mention that Jim Bakker is still in jail? Or how
about Oral Roberts, saying that 'God would call him back' if he didn't
get several millions of dollars.

I'm sure that if you had the chance to approach any of these guys now, they
would not recant. No, they would still preach their message, "God's Word",
and it would be full of just as much hate and intolerance as always, with
the usual pitch for money at the end...

It has really gotten me down, and this is no joke. It is not about 'God',
but rather man-made religions, which attempt to explain what we don't
understand. It is these preachings of hate and intolerance which I can
not understand. I think if more people saw that organized religion is
the PROBLEM, and not the answer, that would be the first step, at least,
to a better world. 

Let me state that it is not "religions" themselves to blame, but instead the
faulty practice of them; consider that Karl Marx wrote about some wonderful
form of government he envisioned, where nobody goes hungry or homeless,
and then 100 years later Stalin is the dictator of the 'Marxist' USSR.

-John


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Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: bwilliam@iat.holonet.net (Bill Williams)
Subject: Re: Cindy the Disco Queen
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:40:23 GMT

I think religions that sponsor popping out hoards of vile spawn into an
overpopulated world are evil indeed. Brother Jed must be a fanatic if he
actually wants to fornicate theoretically forever (at least until either
mate dies or ages too much, including a distended uterus (a real
condition)). One should at least have a set goal based on number of
mindless cretins desired in the family not an arbitrary total based purely
on mathematical proportions of genetic characteristics such as hair color
or gender.

Bill Williams

Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: pete@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Peter Alexander Merel)
Subject: Re: Cindy the Disco Queen
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:18:15 GMT

kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:
> Er, I'm sorry, but while "The Marching Morons" is a good science fiction 
>story, its central premise is fallacious. 

Um, explain?

-- 
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                       I am a big pond in a small fish.
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: news%ptt-iat@nluug.nl
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Advice needed on 'I don't know'
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:57:23 GMT
Organization: PTT Telecom I&AT Groningen

Hello A.R readers

The story is as follows: 

There is this girl I really like, but I'm not the type a guy who goes chasing 
after girls. After a period of time she finds out I'm crazy about her ( some 
friends of her told her ) and she told them 'I like him, but I'm not in love
with him'. I was in the presence of this conversation and according to her,
my mood was going down. At time she realized it was true. A week later I
spoke to her, and she asked how much I liked her. I told her I liked her very
much etc.. She said to me: 'I like you, but I'm not in love ...but'.

That last word is my problem. She tells a friend of mine 'I like him' and a 
few days later she tell 'I like him...but I'm confused on how to go further'.

Once in a few weeks I give her some of the stories that appear on alt.romance
and on of the pages where I put some comments on for her to read, she had
underlined this line:

"If on the other hand, the guy shows how he feels (which after all is hard not
to do), she has the option of waiting and finding out more about the guy."

from one of the news-items. I presume this was about me.

The question:
- 'What does that "I'm confused" really means ?'
- The underlined line is clear, but what does she wants to find out about me?

Postman "Now I'm really in love' Pete


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From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,alt.romance.chat
Subject: Re: More, Do Not try this at home .....
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:51:20 GMT
Organization: Utah Valley Community College

In article <1992Dec11.191651.10925@sequent.com>, rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor) writes:
> 
> *Doors* man!  *Doors!* I wouldn't go near drieux's drawers with a 20
> foot, stainless steel, ionized pole!
	How about two 5-foot (slightly irradiated) Czecks?

:=)

|===   You have no choice in the matter, so you may as well give in   ===|
|===   and just be yourself.                                          ===|
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Saturday, 19 Dec 1992 17:42:52 EST
From: <F36SI@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Update-Adivce Given to Me on Net

        Hi people -
           I wanted to thank everyone who gave me advice last time I posted.
        Let me update everyone on this one -

        I am in college and going to a commuter school for financial
        reasons.  My mother has a picture of me in her office.  This
        girl says I'm cute, mother gives number og gorl to me.  I post with
        questions about calling.  Advice comes in - all say call.
        Now I'll pick up the story.......

        So, I say, what the hell, I have nothing to do this weekend
        so I call her.  How do you start a conversation with someone
        who you know thinks that you are good-looking, wants to go
        on a date with you, but you've never even seen or talked to
        her before?  What else can I say?  I got on told her who I was
        and asked her if she wanted to go see a foreign film this weekend.
        She said yes and then I figured that I might as well talk to
        her while I had her on the phone.  We ended up talking for an
        HOUR.  Keep in mind now that I still haven't seen what she looks
        like.  Anyway, I thought that I would take her to a foreign
        film in downtown Manhattan and impress her.  After all, it will
        , if nothing else, make my mother look good in the office.

        One of the reasons that I was reluctant to call this girl (from
        my last posting) was that things would get around the office, and
       surprise!  Back to my mother.  So, this morning (Saturday) I am eating
       my breakfast trying to lay low, when my mother pipes up, "Aren't you
       supposed to be taking Nancy out today?"  When I asked her how she
       found out, she said that the mailgirl told her, who was told (I assume0
       by Nancy, the girl I am taking out.  Ayayayayaeeee!!!

       I told my mother not to worry about it.  It should not surprise me
       though.  Office scuttlebutt travels like wildfire.  I am surprised
       my mother had the guts to bring that up with me.  Well, graduation
      is in June and I'll be out of the house by then.  Any advice on how
       to handle (or not handle?) this would be appreciated.
                        Matt
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: esper@cs35b.cs.umn.edu (Dave Sherohman)
Subject: Re: Romantic Relationships and Friendships
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:59:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.192722.16084@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kchin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ken H Chin) writes:
>
>When you met your SO: 
>1. Were you seeking only friendship and were surprised by the 
>   subsequent development of romantic interests?

Actually, when I met her, I was just helping her learn to dance, and was
"later surprised by the subsequent development of romantic interests".  She,
on the other hand, was actively looking to avoid getting into a romantic
relationship...

>2. Were you seeking friendship knowing that there was the possibility
>   of mutual interest in a romantic relationship?

I wasn't even seeking friendship.  We spent a lot of time together dancing,
grew to be friends, then grew into a romantic relationship.

>3. Did you pursue a romantic relationship soon after meeting each other,
>   with the friendship developing later on?

See the last one.  We knew each other for 2-3 months before I'd even considered
the possibility.  I mentioned it to her, found out that she was trying to avoid
any entanglements, then 2-3 months after that, things started developing...
>
>I know that many people believe that things romantic should 
>happen "naturally" and automatically, but I am convinced that healthy
>relationships require work, clear thinking analysis, and real
>communication, in addition to "romance".

This is very true.  Note, however, that these are applicable to any
relationship, not just romantic ones.  My relationship with my girlfriend
happened "'naturally' and automatically", but there was also a lot of "work,
clear thinking analysis, and real communication" involved - in fact, that was
all taking place long before any "romance".  Of course, on the other hand,
there were plenty of people who knew us and could see it coming long before
either of us did... (How common is this, I wonder?)

esper@ima.umn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: The Scariest Words In The World?
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:49:01 GMT

> What happens if you don't tell your SO and he/she finds out?  Don't you think
> that this could potentially do more harm to trust and the relationship than
> if the SO's would have talked it out in the first place?
 
	Yes, this would cause more damage than telling that you cheated causes
more harm than not cheating.  The problem is when the person who is cheating
hasn't matured enough to realize that they should be talking to their SO
instead of whatever they're doing wrong.  In my case, I cheated on my wife as a
way of looking for love and attention.  I didn't (HONESTLY!) realize that's
what I was doing untill WAY too late.
 
> The other thing to remember (any way, what I've observed ) is that once a
> person has crossed that path . . . . it becomes easier and easier to visit that
> path again as a solution to what ever the problem was in the first place.  
	I generaly disagree with you here.  I know why I cheated on my wife
now, and that HELPS me keep away from that situation.  It also gives us more to
discuss together which brings us closer together which is what I was supposed
to be doing in the first place.
	(Yes I meant to run that sentence on.  It feels that way to me.)

|===   You have no choice in the matter, so you may as well give in   ===|
|===   and just be yourself.                                          ===|
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: petitc@vccsouth02.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: what is love? (my $0.02)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:51:57 GMT

erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:

>Agree.  Totally.  I tell a lot of people "I love you" - sometimes I get the
>most unexpected responses!  Sometimes shock - it saddens me that those three
>simple words are usually met with paranoia and suspicion. :(

  Yeah.  Sort of like when you send a woman friend flowers (NOT roses---just
carnations with a note saying something like "This Bud's for you"), or hug
her, people think you want to get her in the sack or something strange like
that.  Even she may feel that way.  (Happened to me once :&P ).

-- 
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yours now and avoid the rush!  They make great Christmas gifts!
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If your fondest wish is to fly, don't draw up plans for flippers.
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: bdd@onion.eng.hou.compaq.com (Bruce D. Davis)
Subject: Re: Forgiveness Question
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:11:16 GMT

In article <Bz9566.1Ln@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jlamb@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey Richard Lamb) writes:
>beh@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (various Howellses) writes:
>
>>As does telling someone else that
>>you love them, when you are committed to another person.
>
>Er, why can't I love more than one person (mom) (even if in different ways)?
>(I'm not trying to split hairs, I just want everyone to be clear about what
>they are saying).
>

remember the infamous William James quote:

Higgamus Hogamus, woman is monogamus
Hogamus Higgamus, man is polygamus.

bruce (spin doktor)
From: Gleeep@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Net Chemistry
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 18:00:48 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

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Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,alt.romance.chat
From: afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: More, Do Not try this at home .....
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Date: 15 Dec 1992 12:17 EST  

In article <1992Dec14.173735.8755@b8.b8.ingr.com>, larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings) writes...
>In article <Bz3nLt.95G@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, epperson@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Mary) writes:
>> 
>> And it was soooo much fun watching these two do ManlyMenStuff...that's
>> what those muscles are for guys... *grin*
>> 
>> Mary
> 
>Damn!  I thought they were for sweeping women off their feet.  :)
> 
>Larry

No, Larry ... once again you have mistaken your wallet for a muscle. 
*Wallets* are what we use to sweep women off their feet. :-)

-- Stephen

	My .sig generator is shooting blanks these days.
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,alt.romance.chat
From: epperson@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Mary)
Subject: Re: More, Do Not try this at home .....
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:48:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.213221.21571@wetware.com> hellcat@wetware.com (HellQat) writes:
>dch@rodan.UU.NET (Dan C. Horner) flings down his gauntlet
>of skepticism:
>] Nonsense... AndyR is a simulacrum being digitized and fed into an AI
>] response generator... He does not and cannot truly exist within this
>] space time continuum...
>] Ha...!
>
>I have not and will NEVER sleep with an AI construct!!!

Well, AndyR must exist then, after all we did see the pictures.
Maybe next time Blade and I show up, he'll actually be there... *nahhh*

>] Oh, this is SOOOOOOO disgusting... What were you doing in drieux' doors
>] while I was in drieux' doors ? 
>
>And wrapped in plastic, no less.

Yes, folks, this is true...doors in plastic, men using those
ManlyMuscles.  A sight to be remembered :-)

>] Diana, Can't you get better scheduling  so these types of things
>] don't happen anymore ?
>] Blade
>
>I guess it's one of the risks you take when you do those 
>HeManlyMaleBondingThings, eh Blade?

Oh definitely!  And he seemed to enjoy doing those
HeManlyMaleBondingThings, too.  


>      HellQat
>((((
> \\\\ )
>  ----				

Mary
From: pezzillo@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Amy J. Pezzillo)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Romantic Relationships and Friendships
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:28:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec12.192722.16084@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kchin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Ken H Chin) writes:

>When you met your SO: 
>1. Were you seeking only friendship and were surprised by the 
>   subsequent development of romantic interests?

No, we scoped each other out in class and were definitely interested
in each other romantically from the start, but as it was a small class
(10 people) we had been able to interact a little, so it wasn't solely
on looks.

>2. Were you seeking friendship knowing that there was the possibility
>   of mutual interest in a romantic relationship?

Definitely romantic interest.

>3. Did you pursue a romantic relationship soon after meeting each other,
>   with the friendship developing later on?
>
We arranged for a study group, and nobody else showed up.  (I still
wonder if the rest of the class did that on purpose?)  We spent about
8 hours talking, and by the end of that night it was pretty clear that
we were involved in a romantic relationship.

>How common are the different cases, and what are there advantages and
>disadvantages?  I am trying to figure out if I am doing anything wrong,
>and if so, what I can do to change that.  
>

This was not the usual way for me to meet men, but in this case it
worked, as we've been together for over 3 years!

>I know that many people believe that things romantic should 
>happen "naturally" and automatically, but I am convinced that healthy
>relationships require work, clear thinking analysis, and real
>communication, in addition to "romance".

It did!  Although we "clicked" very early on, we really had to learn a
lot about each other, and learn to communicate.  Luckily, we both
thought the relationship was worth working at!

Hope that answers some questions!

ajp


Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: martini@heaven7.in-berlin.de (Martin P. Ibert)
Subject: Re: Just my $0.02
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:22:24 GMT
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Organization: The Seventh Heaven, Berlin, Germany

skwatkin@nyx.cs.du.edu (Steven Watkins) writes:
>   Am I wrong for asking for a face to face meeting so I can see her tell me 
> how she feels?  

yes.

>   Am I being unjustly annoying?

yes.

>   Do all long distance relationships end like this? 

dunno.

>   Will she hate me?

no.

All the above is IMHO, of course.
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Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,alt.romance.chat
From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Re: More, Do Not try this at home .....
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:01:38 GMT
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16f by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In <1992Dec17.194823.6944@sequent.com> rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.175639.15221@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
>>In <1992Dec17.143018.21193@sequent.com> rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor) writes:
>>> I truss blade as far as I can throw him!
>>
>>Let me get this straight - you wrap a rope around him, then throw him?
>>Is that how he unwinds?  Or, (to put a different spin on this), does this
>>mean that you top him?
>
>Very good!  I like that!!  :-) No, actually what I do is give him a
>running headstart, and then lasso him....  But I will try to top him
>next time I see him.....
>
>rip

Just don't forget your rip-cord...
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA