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From: fitchitt@wam.umd.edu ()
Subject: Re: Locking Lug Nuts & Broken Key: Suggest
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:45:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.141539.29208@ra.msstate.edu> mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu writes:
>
>>I have a set of locking lugnuts (McGuard brand) that uses a squiggly shaped key (no
>>serial number).
>>
>>The key is broken (shattered, but I have most of the pieces).  
>>
>>Any Suggestions for removing the locks?
>>
>Go to a Tire place, most of 'em have "Unlocking" kits, basically, its a set of
>"sockets" that start out wide and get narrower, they put these over the "lock
>nut" and bang it in till its tight, then unscrew it... I know NTW places
>usually carry 'em... Depends on a a few things though, like if there is space
>                                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   
>around your nuts for the "tool" also it depends on the kind of nut you use..
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Nope - no room.  Slightly more than 1/8 inch
>
>Mark
>mrr1@isis.msstate.edu
>
>
>
>

Hmm... well, lately people have been raving about JB Weld. Maybe that would
hold your key together long enough (I doubt it though)

I have no idea if it would work, but I considered this when I couldn't
find my key... Try taking a set of longnose vice grips and getting a real
good grip in the squiggly, stick a bar or long screwdriver in the space as
close to the nut as you can, and try spinning that...

I doubt it would work, probably just pop off the grips, but you never know...

BTW as someone else said, use Craftsman... lifetime guarantee


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From: seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON)
Subject: Re: Nissan Maxima SE. Good choice??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 18 Aug 1992 13:56 EDT  

Is it a good choice?

>Thanks
> 
>Eric
> 
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From: davet@ksr.com (Dave Teichholtz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:34:40 EDT
	<1992Aug20.165128.1350@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
	<1992Aug20.190844.16270@morrow.stanford.edu>
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: charlie@leland.Stanford.EDU's message of 20 Aug 92 15:08:44 EDT

In article <1992Aug20.190844.16270@morrow.stanford.edu> charlie@leland.Stanford.EDU (Charlie Channel, Jr.) writes:

 
>  Is that 9 cars in 10 years, or what?  In thinking about it, I've gone
>   through a total of about 9 in 15 (a Valiant, 2 Opels [needed a
>   psychiatrist during that phase of life], a Buick, 4 Fords [now driving
 
  Yeah, I had the same psychiatrist during the time I had two Fiats :-(
  
-David

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From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Re: V6 .vs. inline 6
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:45:23 GMT

In article <BOWERS.92Aug12121234@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers) writes:

[nice tutorial on engine balancing deleted]

>Finally, there is firing order balance.  this has _nothing_ to do with
>mass balance.  All this is, simply, do you get a power stroke with
>even rotation of the crank?  Ideally, every 180 degrees of crank
>rotation you want a power stroke in a 4 cylinder, 120 degrees for a 6,
>90 degrees for a 8, 72 degrees for a 10, 60 degrees for a 12, etc.

A lot of confusion on various V6s being "unbalanced" comes from the
above.  A 90 degree V6 will *have* firing order balance if the crank
has the proper offsets to ensure 120 degrees of rotation per power
stroke , which in this case would be 30 degrees.  All the respectable
manufacturers that put out 90 degree V6s do this.  e.g. Honda and
Audi.  I think 90 degree V6s got their bad reputation from that GM (or
was it Ford) hack job.  Finally consider the VW narrow angle V6.  If
crank offsets were not used, imagine the resulting shake and rattle.

Al, are there any differences in mass balancing between a 90 degree V6 and
a 60 degree one?  

Lastly, anyone wants to study an inline 5?  The shakes are longitudinal!!
Honda places the middle cylinder directly over the drive shafts, while
Audi cantilevers the entire engine over the driveshafts and uses the mass
of the gearbox to counter it.  Lots of soft mounts used in both cases.


eliot

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From: jonl@rb-csd.SanDiego.NCR.COM (jon.lafrance)
Subject: Re: How Accurate is the Blue Book?
Reply-To: jonl@rb-csd.SanDiego.NCR.COM (jon.lafrance)
Organization: NCR Corporation, Rancho Bernardo
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:47:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.153756.22823@uwm.edu> greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>> On 19 Aug 92 20:00:50 GMT, dan@seismo.noname (Dan Hagedorn) wrote:
>>>Nntp-Posting-Host: seismo.pnl.gov
>
>>>Auto dealers lying to you ??? NEVER!!! They are THE MOST HONEST and
>>>TRUSTED professionals!!!
>
>OK folks, here's the way *I* work, and *I* try to be honest, and give a
>good deal while still making a buck to finish college (when I hopefully
>won't have to do this anymore.) Remember now, you're buying a retail
>product, not wholesale, and every minute you spend with a salesman is

Deleted section about job details.

>
>Now if after reading this, you still think that I am slime, or that *all*
>salemen out there are slime, then you need to have your head examined.
>There are some pretty slimey people that I work with, so yes, they are out
>there. But not everyone is.

After reading this I have to make one comment. The last car I bought from a 
dealer was 11 years ago. At that time every lot I set foot on I was mobed by
high pressure salesmen. Now 11 years later I have decided to replace my old
truck things have changed. I have been stoping in at the lots just to see 
what is new. Any salespeople (now men and women) have been more interested
in shooting the breeze then selling me anything. The approach seems to be 
no pressure. Now I don't know if this is car sales as opposed truck sales.
I am looking at the full size range. I just had to mention this rather 
pleasant change on the car lots. Or maybe it's just me who is getting this 
treatment?

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From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: ....Integra A/C and H
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:18:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 

TS>>Anyway this click sound comes every 3-4 minutes and every time the headlights
TS>>dim. Does the A/C go on and off ? and each time it goes on does it draw power
TS>>from the battery(

My mother has an '82 Honda Civic Wagon, and it does this on occasion also, 
when running under a full electrical load (headlights, radio, ac).  I always
figured it was the alternator adjusting speed to meet the demands of the 
electrical load placed on it.  Never heard it in any other make/model of car
before, tho'.   Must be a Honda only problem.
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From: johnsh@aix.rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson)
Subject: Re: Mustang SVO 
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:46:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.175524.19588@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:
>
>hmm.  somebody put the SHO drivetrain into a festiva and called it a Shogun.
>anyway, i think the mustang should always have a V-8.  multivalve heads,
>turbos, superchargers, variable valve timing, whatever... as long as it's
>a V-8.  why not have a probe SHO?  there were rumors of this before.
>a probe SHO would have a 56 hp increase over the probe GT and MX-6, 42 hp
>over the corrado SLC, 60 hp over the prelude Si.  i don't think there's
>anything in this market segment that has over 200 hp at this point.
>
>-teddy

A good reason, too.  The SHO engine would never fit in the Probe's engine bay.
The current 2.5L V6 is squeezed in enough, as it is.  The SHO engine fits in the
Taurus engine bay with really not too much room to spare.   The only reason it
fit in the Festiva-Shogun was because it was in the back seat.

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From: meiboy@tsoft.sf-bay.org (MeiBoy of UCU)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: $758 for an oil change?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:55:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The TeleSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 7958

Usually when I take my car to the Ford dealer every 7500 miles for
sheduled maintenance, it costs about $170 and it includes
oil change, checking the hoses, battery, etc., lubing the chassis,
and rotating the tires.  
But today, I took my car in for the 30,000 mile sheduled maintenance
service and the  guy told me it will cost $758.  And this is not
for fixing anything.
Can anybody tell me what they do at 30,000 mi. that they don't
do at other mileages on Ford cars?
Has any other Ford owners experienced the same thing at their
30,000 mile maintenance?
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From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Old TAs and New 300ZX's
Date: 17 Aug 1992 12:28:43 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com

(text deleted)

In article 6722@bnr.ca,  (Eric Youngblood) writes:
> Okay as an avid Pontiac enthusiast and F-body TA fan here's my 3 cents:
> 
> I dug up some old car mags from back then, in C&D Oct '79 they clocked the '80
> turbo TA at 8.2 0-60 & 1/4m in 16.7@86mph w. 116mph top speed. Motor Trend gave
> similar reviews. Even my old 77 w/ a 6.6 had to struggle to get to 60 in under
> 9 seconds. (of course it was equipt with the wimpy L78 7.6:1 180hp engine)
> It now sports a 280 hp custom built (cam,carb,9.5:1,headers, etc...bla, bla, bla)
> overbored 400. The thing *is* fast (0-60:6.1 & 1/4m:14.6@93) but no way could
> it out perform a 300ZX. Time for a reality pill here. The F-bodies are heavy by
> todays standards. Stock against stock I'd have to put my $$$ on the 300ZX. Mine
> is *definitely* not stock, but I wouldnt expect to beat a 300ZX unless he blows
> a shift or something.

I'd expect yours to beat a stock, non-turbo 300ZX. They do 0-60 in the mid-high
6 second range. A turbo, that's another story...

John
From: jstein@tellab1.tellabs.com (Jeff Steinhauer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: ECLIPSE PERFORMANCE PACKAGES
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:58:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: tellab5.1992Aug19.175831.19487
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tellabs, Inc. Lisle IL

Has anyone ever tried the performance package offer by HKS. I think
this includes a turbo booster, performance suspension system and
something else I can't quite remember. There was an article in CAR
AND DRIVER about the system but can't seem to remember much else
about it. I would just like to know the cost, ease of installation
and actual performance boost.
From: awds_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Man Of Steel)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Locking Lug Nuts & Broken Key: Suggestions?
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:17:13 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Aug12.141707.25576@ra.msstate.edu> mrr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (mark r rauschkolb) writes:


>I have a set of locking lugnuts (McGuard brand) that uses a squiggly shaped key (no
>serial number).

>The key is broken (shattered, but I have most of the pieces).  

>Any Suggestions for removing the locks?

>Thanks






When I bought a used car last spring, the aluminum wheels came with 
locked/security lug nuts, with the funny squiggly key.  -Except mine
had no key, which I descovered when I went to a Goodyear dealer for
new tires.  Since you have no serial number, you can't get a replacement
from the manufacturer, so get to a tire dealer who can remove the keyed
nut from each of your tires.  Then just put on a stock nut to replace it
, or if you're still interested in the anti-theft idea, sets of locking
lug nuts with keys can be had at many speed shops.  My tire dealer
said it was not big deal to remove them in the garage, but they could not
re-install them without the key.  Good luck

       			Adam
>Mark
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From: jchen@flash.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: TOYOTA's timing belt
Reply-To: jchen@flash.UUCP (Jason Chen)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:51:57 GMT

In article <BtAJDK.BIu@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> tgl@slee01.srl.ford.com (Tom Leone) writes:
>No, you are not risking engine damage if your timing belt
>breaks.  According to _Motor_ magazine (August 1991, page 22),
>all Toyota gasoline engines with timing belts from 1981 through
>1990 are "freewheeling".  
>
A Toyota dealer told me the same thing.

>However, Toyota does recommend replacing the timing belt every
>60,000 miles.

I have a 89 Camry. As I remember, the owner's manual does not specify
timing belt to be a maintenance item. In the service interval table,
only inspection is required every so often.

But I agree with you that replacing timing belt after 60k miles is 
purdent thing to do.


C. Jason Chen 
jchen@flash.bellcore.com
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From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
Subject: Re: Toyota or Celica mailing lists?
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:05:17 GMT

muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au (Murray Chapman) writes:

>In <60100004@hpcuhb.cup.hp.com> garyg@hpcuhb.cup.hp.com (Gary Gitzen) writes:

>>Are there Toyota or Celica mailing lists?

>toyota@quack.sac.ca.us
>toyota-request@quack.sac.ca.us

Please do not send 'please add me' or other administrive requests
to the 'toyota' address. Please send ONLY articles that you want
to go out to the mailing list proper to 'toyota@quack.sac.ca.us'. Please
address all requests to 'toyota-request@quack.sac.ca.us'

Thank you.

This is a recording. :-)

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:27:07 MDT
From: earlyd@ee.byu.edu (David Early)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Distribution: world
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Attention John De Armond (was Re: 240Z restoral)


In article <g3@byu.edu>, earlyd@ee.byu.edu (David Early) writes:
> 
> 
> > I noticed you're not on the Z-car mailing list.  You should be.
> > I run it so I know :-)  Subscribe to z-car-request@dixie.com.
> 
> >  to join, send your
> > name, address and phone number to z-club@dixie.com.  Indicate in
> > the message whether you'd like your phone number given to
> > vendors  I negotiate discounts and free catalogs with. 
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > -- 
> > John De Armond



Sorry to post this back to the net, but my mail system doesn't recognize
dixie.com.   Could you give me the numerical internet address??

Also, is there something special I need to do to 'subscribe' to the
two addresses you gave me above?  

Thanks for the help.

Dave Early
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: chilton@crc.ricoh.com (Jeff Chilton)
Subject: Re: Engine Break-In Again
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:34:54 GMT

hbt@athena.mit.edu (Helen B Tatistcheff) writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I have followed with interest the recent discussion on breaking in a new
> engine.  If I don't go crazy with anticipation first I will be able to pick
> up my '92 Honda Civic Si in a couple of days.
> 
> I wonder if there is anything special I should keep in mind when breaking in
> an engine with variable valve timing.  I don't know that much about how this
> particular engine works, but I read that the engine in the VX undergoes a 
> change in valve behavior at around 5000 rpm.  If I break the engine in
> carefully and never take it over 4000 rpm, then there is a whole range of
> motion that the engine hasn't experienced by the time I deem it broken in
> and start to really have fun.  


   Break-in is a gradual process.  Simply keeping it under 4000 rpm for
   500 (or so) miles, then going GONZO on it  is a bad idea. With 5000
   miles on my SE-R, I now consider it broken in.  With a 7500 redline,
   I kept it under 4k rpm for ~500 miles, then under 5k for another 500,
   changed the oil, and started to "play" with  the 5-6k range, but not 
   for extended periods.  After that I gradully played harder and harder
   until I was convinced that the high end was also well broken in.
   Now I run it however I feel like, and make it scream on occasion.

   you are right when you say:

> If I break the engine in carefully and never take it over 4000 rpm, 
> then there is a whole range of motion that the engine hasn't 
> experienced by the time I deem it broken in and start to really have fun.

  Break it in for low rev steff, then continue to work on the top end
  until you are comfortable running full spectrum.

  As far as worrying about the valves during break in. Yes. Worry.
  New car tech is great, but those valves may not be seating properly
  right away.
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From: virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO)
Subject: A funny thing happened on the way to the trunk...
Summary: But is this now the norm?? I mean, really???
Keywords: I was slightly amazed....
Organization: Metters Industries, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:59:32 GMT


Okay, what am I babbling about now?? Well, I went to get out mah lil' scissors
jack to change the oil on mah Acclaim,and boyhowdeeee, there,sitting back at
me, was a FULL-SIZE SPARE TIRE...w/wheel cover no less. Now, I was still
under the impression that folks were still getting the usual "plastic donut
spare skinny" as always, which is why I was a bit taken aback.

I didn't pay for this as an option(I checked my sticker). Is this a new
decision by Chrysler?? Auto companies in general??? Anybody else make this
same discovery???

curious virgo
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Metters Industries
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter)
Subject: Re: Hood Locks?
Organization: BITS, St. Louis, MO
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:52:49 GMT


>	When I got my new car the dealer was trying to sell me a hood lock
>system called, I believe, "Z-lock".  It looked like a cable that attached
>to some sort of lock mechanism on the front of the hood that ran to a lock
>that came out below the instrument panel.  I haven't seen similar things
>available anywhere else, but would like to try to install one myself.
>Does anyone know where I can get the parts for such a system?  I'd even
>be willing to cobble stuff together out of hardware store parts and maybe
>even do a little machining and welding myself.  (I think the dealer wanted
>$295.00 for the basic hood lock!)

You can get a hood lock that connects to the alarm system which locks
the hood when the system is armed.  Dont know anything about cost,
though.

If you find out anything else, please summarize to the net!

Mike
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From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Care to comment on Alfa vs. Miata?
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 17:56:42 GMT

In article <JAMESM.92Aug15121806@lunch.austin.ibm.com> jamesm@lunch.austin.ibm.com writes:
>The Mazda Miata, on the other hand, is lighter than the Alfa, a bit faster,
>and has positively delightful handling.

faster by what metric?  i've not driven the Miata, but what little i've
seen in the way of numbers suggest comparable performance in 0-60,
at least.  does the miata `seem faster' for some reason?  i recall an
unusual road test comparing a 5 door Acura Integra with a Saab 9000,
reason being that a comparison of features suggested that the cars
were comparable, despite the difference in price and target market.
the race track testing was revealing; the Integra gave a strong impression
of being very fast, while the Saab quietly and without much fuss simply
went 2 seconds a lap faster, over and over again.

cheers,
  richard
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From: sjb@sei.cmu.edu (Sandra Bond)
Subject: Dealer Profit on Small Imports?
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:35:21 GMT


I've been looking at small imports, and two differents dealers (Ford Festiva
and Dodge Colt) are both insisting that they only make about $250 each on
these small cars.  I find this hard to believe.  What's the true story?

Thanks.

Sandra
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:15:52 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <1992Aug21.040135.3708@julian.uwo.ca>, 
wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:
> I can't figure out why people who could do their own car repairs,
> brake jobs, etc, choose not to because they say they don't have the
> time, when they have to work for a week to pay for car-work that 
> might take them a couple of days.


Maybe it has something to do with children, wives, house ownership, work,
not having a place to discard toxic chemicals, dogs, cats, time,
flying, going to the Monterey Bay aquarium, and as I go down final
on my 40th birthday, maybe I just don't desire to do it, and maybe I
have enough money to have someone else do it. ;-)

It might also have to do with the fact that my Ford Electronic 
Air Conditioning has gone out for the fifth time, and I have to 
take it in anyway, so I can let Ford rip me off for another $250
to replace the defective A/C controller they put in their cars.

And they wonder why everyone is buying Japanease...


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
From: cbh@opus.mlb.semi.harris.com (Cherie Slasor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Honda Civic Hatchback Si
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:07:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: mlb.1992Aug19.190733.26925
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

Does anyone have any comments on the 92 Civic Hatchback Si?  I'm 
particularly concerned with how well the moonroof holds up.  Does
it have a tendency to leak?


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