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From: panwar@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Ramesh Panwar)
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture/ British Misuse Of Sati.
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 20:06:18 GMT

In article <JMC.92Oct2185645@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> John McCarthy writes:

>The winners choose the names.

Johnny, thank you for your candor. The naked fascism that you
espouse now is so much easier to handle than your previous
fascist rhetoric that came with a veneer of benevolence and 
an ostentation of "universal religious and moral principles". 
Human fossils like you will be swept away by the currents of
cultural syncretism that you hate with such intensity as borne
out by your rants. 

Again, let me reiterate that your frustrations stem from 
(among other reasons) a realization of the worth (or the lack 
of it) of your lifetime of research which was marked more by
shibboleths and hucksterism than concrete results. 

--Ramesh 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: x92nath@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Schola Schedules for India news ?
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:24:21 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Hi Dears,
	Do you know about Scola timings for India news during week days.
As per its schedules it should be at 6.00 AM(central time), but at that time
Pakistani news is telecasted,

if any knows about India news timings , Please let's know.

Thanks.
Shambhu.
From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: MORE ABOUT INDIA / INDIAN WOMEN ARE TREATED FAR BETTER THAN HERE.
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:12:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

Subject: Re: More about India/ Indian Women Are Treated Far Better Than Here.
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <1992Oct6.215006.24872@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> tolia@hydrogen.ecn.purdue.edu (Anish Arun Tolia) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct6.150358.28380@coe.montana.edu> prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar) writes:



Indian women are treated in a manner far better than women here. Though 
there are always the exceptions where eve-teasers,  and rapists etc, as
well as the bride-burners exist.

In India for example, and in cities like Bombay for example try teasing
a woman and see what happens, you will get a sound thrashing from every
one around.

Here the situation is even more worse. People do'nt allow women to make
a choice of abortion or not,  as if her health or wish is no concern of
hers at all. Apart from that it's only in South Asia and in Israel that
women have become leaders of their countries. Compare that to the state
here, where people are averse to having a woman as a Vice-President too
so much are they against women here.

Regards,
Vivek.


-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Systems Engineering Laboratory, Department Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
From: shubu@cs.wisc.edu (Shubhendu Mukherjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:24:57 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept.


>>>>> In article <1992Oct6.125154.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

SKUMAR> BTW, all this crap about IIT achievers. Has everyone forgotten 
SKUMAR> Karmarkar already? ( I beleive he was on the front page of NYT in 
SKUMAR> '85 (?) )

And Sanjeev Arora, Rajeev Motwani, and Madhu Sudan - whose achievement 
had been quoted in NYT (a couple of months back) as one of the milestones 
in Theoretical Computer Science and Mathematics.  All these guys are 
ex-IITians (well, Arora left IITK in his 3rd year).  

-Shubu

P.S.: BTW, Abhinav, I ditched US Univs. to IITK (at the UG level).  
      Now you know why.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: BM-RJB issue (more developments)
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:27:04 GMT


I found this in misc.news.southasia. 


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From: ramani@saathi.ncst.ernet.in (Srinivasan Ramani)
Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
Subject: India - Neutral Experts Flay Government on Ayodhya Temple Issue
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:43:46 GMT
Organization: NCST, Bombay

From	: S.Ramani 
Source	: The Times of India (Bombay), Date Oct 5, 1992
Country	: India 

                                * * * * * *

* Neutral Experts Flay Govt, VHP (Talks on Shrine)

  Prasun Sonwalkar
  Times of India News Service (TOINS)
  New Delhi, Oct 4

The four independent historians and archaeologists who participated
in yesterday's talks on the Ayodhya issue have reiterated their 
demand for permission to scrutinise the primary records relating 
to excavations carried in Ayodhya by Dr B B Lal in the late 70s. 

The records include site notebooks, antiquity register, photographs 
of the sections and trenches etc, which, they said, were necessary 
to verify the references made in the VHP document submitted for scrutiny.

The four experts are Mr RS Sharma, Mr M Athar Ali, Mr DN Jha, and 
Mr Suraj Bhan. 

According to them, the former union minister, Mr Subodh Kant Sahay,
had stated that the primary records could not be made available on 
account of general elections in 1991 and also on account of `non-cooperation
by the human resources development ministry' little realising that 
this amounted to the suppression of basic evidence by the Govt. 

In a statement, the experts said: "We also object to the manner 
in which the `kar sevak archaeologists' have indiscriminately 
destroyed the remains of material culture by digging as deep as 
12 feet without any archaeological expertise and without the permission 
of the Archaeological Survey of India ... Thus on the one hand the primary 
archaeological records lying witht the Govt have been suppressed and 
the new ones are being fabricated on the other to support the (VHP) claim".

The experts alleged that yesterdays meeting showed a `continuous shift'
in the VHP stand on the temple issue. Its leaders earlier spoke of 
existence of Ram Temple below the structure, but later mentioned the 
existence of a Vishnu Temple, although Ram is only one of the 10 
incarnations of Vishnu. 

Finally, when a statue of Shiva was said to have been found at a distance 
of 50 feet from the boundary wall of the structure, the VHP leaders
put their faith in the existence of a Shiva Temple at what they call 
the Ram Janambhumi site, the experts alleged. 


                                 * E N D *

==============================================================================


--Javed.



Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32745 soc.culture.pakistan:15391
From: ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam and Science
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:32:37 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <1992Oct1.021305.22525@cs.yale.edu> ahmed-shakil@CS.YALE.EDU (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>
>Since I did not choose Muhammed (pbuh), I cannot tell you what
>the specific reasons were for choosing him.  As far as I'm concerned,
>an illiterate person could not possibly have come up with something
>as beautiful as the Qur'an and all the truths that it contains.
>That's what it gives it all the more credibility.
>
>-- Shakil

An illiterate person could not write the Quran but only literate
people do not have a monopoly over ideas.  Akbar considered one
of the greatest emperors of India was illiterate and obviously he
had great ideas.  The point is if God wanted to reveal the laws
of the universe, why not choose someone who could understand the
concept better.  Nobody can explain any concept without understanding
it first.  


Manoj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ramasubr@ecn.purdue.edu (SUBU Ramasubramanian)
Subject: Looking for ------- at Vanderbilt
Reply-To: ramasubr@ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:15:13 GMT


Hello Vanderbilt ites,

If you know a guy called Murlidhar from IITM, HCL who joined EE at
Vanderbilt univ this fall,can you please email me his phone #?

Thanks

Subu
From: prasanth@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ravi K. Prasanth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More about India
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:12:30 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Oct2.135446.7574@abo.fi>, FHERTZBERG@finabo.abo.fi (Fredrik Hertzberg Lit) writes:
> 
>   I have a friend named Kenneth Sillander who thinks that Borneo is
> a more interesting place to go to than India. He has been to India too
> but he's expreiences from there were quite negative. I told him that
> the south is much better, but he told me to go to Indonesia instead
> 'cause the people there are much more genuine! Now could this be true,

Sure. Just visit Timor.

> I wonder? He also thinks that Indians are capitalists! Now that didn't
> strike me at all. What do you think?
> Yours sincerely, F Hertzberg, Finland. 
>   

RKP
From: lal@cs.arizona.edu (The New Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize & IITs
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:49:54 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct6.061404.21314@news.uiowa.edu> rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada) writes:
:So what if you have a supercomputer in your lab devoted to just yourself. Education just doesn't comprize
:using a workstation or working 24 hours on MATLAB or Mathematica or getting to know the latest 
:products in the market. Have you ever received any education at an IIT?. You have 
:said twice that the education you received is much better than anyone would receive in
:And finally it's not easy to get into the IITs or any of the top engineering colleges in India. 
:There is an entrance exam for admissions to the IITs whether you want to go for a Bachelor's
:or Master's. Since your knowledge of workstations and Vax clusters is not what they ask for in the exam,
:you might want to get some coaching from Brilliant's or Agrawal's(I think the exam is given in various 
:languages now, but C or pascal is not one of them). 
:Since your concern is to get a better education than in your place, you may also consider the RECs, BITS,
:IT-BHU and some other colleges. The list is quite big and I can send you a comprehensive list if you are
:interested. You might want to finish your Bachelor's here and then try to get into a program in India,
:as a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
:
:Hope my advice helps.
:
:You are welcome,
:
:Ramakrishna 

Mr. Ramakrishna, I asked about Indian institution with better facilities, and equipment. I wanted to to know about that!! I don't care how good any of your mentioned institutes is - I only asked if any of them had equivalent facilities.
	And I have been informed that IIT Kanpur probably does. You must be out of your mind if you think RECs have newer technology and better equipment (I consider have good facilities neccesary for a good education.
	I retract that.
	But I guess you are right, the education in USA is worthless. What's the point of using latest technology? I would transfer to an REC but I don't think I would meet their high standards.
	I guess if IITs and RECs are so hard to get in, they must be excellent universities. After all isn't how good a university is directly proportional to how hard it is to get admission in that university.
	Thank you for for your excellent advice. I should do my graduate education in an REC or IIT, for they lead the world in the field of computers.

Thanks a Lot!!!

Abhinav Lal


 



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: hemant@cbnewse.cb.att.com (hemant.b.bhatt)
Subject: cultures
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:35:47 GMT

"hum purane jamane ke jailer he"

If you look back to history of the world, when the rulers
change, the religion of the land changed - even in the Europe.
But even after centuries of rulers of other religion, Hinduism
survived - and same goes for may be judism. 

"hum nahi sudharenge" :-) :-) :-)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32577 rec.music.indian.misc:2630
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:08:05 EDT
From: <GXS11@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Attention PSU students!!

This note is of interest to Penn State Students, University Park.

Hi! Preparation for the Cultural Programme for Diwali have begun.
     This time we are going to do a 1/2 hour Play for Diwali. The
script/screenplay is ready.  We are now looking for people to Act.
If you are interested in taking part ...on the stage or even behind
the stage...please give a call to
                                 Gurmeet: (814)-867-3471  home
                                          (814)-863-7182  lab

     We need a lot of people to act (20-30) and hope you will
     reply with enthusiasm and make it a success.
                                        Thank You



       Watch out for Penn State Natak Mandali's

                        "SriMan SriRam"

               A Friends of India Presentation
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ngopalas@ha15.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Organization: The University of Alabama
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:27:19 GMT

In article <JMC.92Sep29124216@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>, jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) writes:
|> I think I can agree with all that Brijnandan S. Dehiya posts.  I didn't
|> know that the British ban on sati was instigated by Indian reformers.
|> I didn't even realize there were Indian reformers so early.

WHO THIS BRIJNAND MAN? NO INDIAN REFORMERS WERE LIVED ANY TIME IN HEATHEN
INDIA. PAGIN TRAITIR LIKE BRIJ CONFUSING ISSUE. ACTUALLY THE SATI WOMEN 
WITCHES, IN INDIA PROBABLY FIREWOOD VERY LESS, SO UNLIKE IN THE MOST EXCELLENT
WASTERN CULTOUR WITCH NOT BURNED ALONE BUT BURNED WITH SOME MAN MADE HUSBAND.
WITCH DESERVE NO MERCY, FROM ANYONE. MY MOST HUMBLE APOLOGIES FOR IGNORANCE
BUT IN WEST LOTS OF FIREWOOD, SO EVERY MONTH MASS WITCH BURNING MONTH TILL
ALL WITCHES BURNT OUT FROM WEST. SOME WITCH ESCAPE TO INDIA, BUT AHAAAA PAGINS
GIVE THEM SHELTER. DAMN PAGINS!@#@! 

NATH,

PIECE TO AL.
|> 
|> Let me return to the original questions.
|> 
|> 1. Is there a world culture today?
|> 
|> 2. Is it substantially based on European culture?  The non-European
|> influences on European culture are secondary to this question.
|> Benevolence or greed or lack thereof also have nothing to do with it.
|> 
|> 3. Assuming there is pretty much of a world culture, what are the
|> exceptions to its prevalence in various countries, e.g. India, that
|> seem destined to survive?
|> 
|> The reason for raising these questions is the American debate about
|> basing required college courses on "western civilization".
|> --
|> John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
|> *
|> He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
|> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: atish@atish.rutgers.edu (Atish Dabholkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Higher Education as a Free Lunch (was: IIT's and REC's. Training factories for US?)
Keywords: IIT, Free Tuition.
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:49:40 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


In a previous posting I had suggested that providing free 
higher education in India is inappropriate 
because it is in the nature of welfare for the affluent 
and a subsidy to the American economy. It is also unnecessary because
now there is a sizable market for the professionals that can
pay for the services it needs either directly or indirectly.
There were a few replies which I thought warrant a 
more elaborate response. To keep this short, I will only summarize and
not reproduce the original replies. 

One argument was that since these institutions are primarily teaching
institutions, they cannot expect much funding from the industry and
therefore must be state funded.
While this may be true, it ignores an important source of indirect funding from
the industry viz in the form loan-repayment. As it stands today,
the industry is getting an indirect subsidy in the form of freely 
trained engineers. 
In this sense, free higher education is a most sumptuous free lunch. 
One can easily imagine a flow of resources in the opposite direction: 
from the industry and the trainees to the teaching institutions. 

Another argument was  that redirecting state funding to,
say primary education, would be a form of reverse discrimination 
against the rich. 
First of all, one is not arguing for free primary 
education only for the economically disadvandaged but for all.
This is what the government can reasonably be expected to do,
if with great difficulty, given the limited resources.
Secondly, receiving expensive instruction and training is a
privilege and not a right. Those who wish to use this privilege should
pay for it.

This question is not merely for net-debate but is of practical significance.
As an example, I am reminded of some of my friends in graduate
school who had attempted to raise money from the alumni of IIT(Madras) in this 
country to send computers to India. They had a modest target but still
were not very successful despite their enthusiasm. Obviously, 
donating a couple of thousand dollars  appears to be a great act
of charity. The same money paid as tuition fees is a matter of course.
Hopefully, others have had a better experience.


Atish Dabholkar.
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SOME BABY JOKES
Date: 30 Sep 1992 19:02:49 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

>such outlets for your traits as, to name a few: talk.bizarre,
>alt.tasteless, rec.humor, though you will probably get your sweet

hey i think you should start reading those groups too. most of the
posts that i do here are also sent there. i don't cross post them.


suresh


PS: learn to take some humor ; good humor that too


Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:32246 soc.culture.tamil:2473
From: kanniks@uceng.UC.EDU (k kannikeswaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: ROJA - SONGS
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:29:42 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati, Engineering College


	The songs in this film  viz.
	Chinna chinna asai, Oru vellai mazhai,
	Kaadal rojave and Tamizha tamizha..
	are very catchy.

	The music director is a person by name Dilip Kumar 
	who goes by the name 	'A V Raghuman' (?).. Apparently
	he used to score music for TV commercials.

	kanniks

	


-- 
	fortune
	exit
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 17:04:33 CDT
From: <U60460@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Missing : K.Bhaskar

Hai Net fellas

I am looking for Mr. Krishnamsetty Bhaskar who is supposedly at University of

Texas at Arlington. Whoever finds him please mail me about his address.

Thank you in advance

Siva Prasad Tripuraneni       E-Mail : u60460@uicvm.cc.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: Islam and Science
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:37:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.120014.30550@davidsys.com> merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
>In article <16054@borg.cs.unc.edu>, ramamurt@chopin.cs.unc.edu (Srikanth Ramamurthy) writes:
>
>The question asked was why was the Qur'an given to a man who may
>not be able to understand the physics, etc... The answer is that
>the Holy Qur'an is not just given for one man but for all of mankind.

Don't you agree that if God wanted to pass laws of Physics, he 
should have chosen a person who understands Physics.  You cannot
explain a concept if a person cannot understand it for himself.
Why did he choose an illeterate person?  While he is dictating a
law of God it is possible one of his literate followers would
write it down wrongly.
>
>I invite you to read the Holy Qur'an for yourself and learn what it
>is you would like to gain from it, for yourself.
>
>You are again mistaken in the thinking that I am trying to convince someone
>that I am right.  Asking such a question as why was Prophet Muhammed (SAW)
>given the Holy Qur'an is the same as saying why is it a bueatiful day today.
>It just is.  (Because of the blessings of ALLAH(swt) if you believe,
>or Not, if you don't believe.)
>
If you like rain and it is raining it is a beautiful day.  I hope that
anwsers the why.


Manoj

>> 
>>>   Rukhsana Merchant
>> 
>> -Srikanth R.
>
>Rukhsana Merchant


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: World Culture and Western Culture
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Sep29.161359.29035@news.acns.nwu.edu>
	<JMC.92Sep29124216@SAIL.Stanford.EDU>
	<1992Sep29.210037.2555@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:32:07

Rangarathnam Gopu is the first to address the questions I thought
were raised by my original article.  I don't quite agree with
his answers, but I haven't yet figured out how the question might
be objectively decided.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: ratan@thebe.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: IIT BULLSHIT
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:14:55 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



  i)  IIT  KHARAGPUR
 ii)  IIT  KANPUR
iii)  IIT  DELHI
 iv)  IIT  BOMBAY
  v)  IIT  MADRAS

 vi)  IIT  BULLSHIT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian