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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:07:59 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Jul24.131236.4307@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov (Sang J. Moon) writes:

>Example: Symantic Antivirus for the Macintosh

>You have to read the instructions to install this properly because you
>have to:
>1. Run a disk repair program to insure the hard drive is okay.
>2. Run SAM from the diskette on the hard drive first.
>3. Install the control panel by dragging it to the extension folder
>   and making an alias which you put into the control panel folder.
>4. Install the virus definition in the system folder.
>5. Drag copy SAM somewhere.
>6. Reboot
>7. Personalise both SAM an the control panel separately the first
>   time you run them.

Or, skip steps 1 through 7 and get Disinfectant instead.  Drag it
onto your hard disk and double click. 


>Example: Microsoft Word for Windows, WordPerfect, MacLinkPC, etc.

>1. Install diskette in to drive a and type "a:install".

Strange that wouldn't work on my machine.  Maybe it was because
Microsoft Word came on 3-1/2" disks and the "A" drive is a 5-1/4"
drive.  (The PC file system is too retarded to recognize disks
by name.)  Also, you will find that the program is not always named
"install."  It may be something like "xyinstal" where "xy" are the 
initials of the program, and there may be options you have to worry
about too.  You won't know any of this unless you read the manual.  


>No.  My claim has always been that Macintosh cost too much, and I can get
>(and have gotten) an equivalent PC based system to do the same work I do
>on a mac at a significantly lower price.  

You almost got it right.  It may cost more to get a Mac that can do
the same things you do on your PC, but that same Mac can also do things
your PC will never do (at least, not without a lot of additional hardware/
software and maybe not even then).  Because you use a PC, you do not
do things you can't do on a PC, by definition.  That, in itself, makes
it hard for you to realize what else you're missing out on.  If you've
never driven a car that has springs in the seats, you might believe 
that's a luxury, too...
From: ostroff@oswego.Oswego.edu (Boyd Ostroff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: PB100/Price Club Story in MacWeek
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:22:04 GMT
Reply-To: ostroff@oswego.Oswego.edu (Boyd Ostroff)
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: ostroff@cloy.oswego.edu

There's been a lot of speculation about this recently on the net.  Just
read a story in the 7/13 issue of MacWeek which might be of interest.
The following implies that Apple is not just "dumping" inventory at
Price Club, but testing the waters for a low cost system.  From what
people are saying, sounds like they are selling well.  Maybe that will
be good news for those of us looking for low-cost mac notebooks in the
future.


	"PowerBook 100 to join Price Club
	  by Andrew Gore
	  MacWeek, 7/13/92

	Apple is giving the Macintosh PowerBook 100 a second chance to
	improve its 'also ran' reputation by turning to mass-market
	distribution.

	Apple said the PowerBook 100, configured with 4MB RAM, a 40MB hard
	drive and external floppy, soon will be sold exclusively through
	the San Diego based Price Club as part of Apple's efforts to test
	the consumer electronics channels.

	The $2,399 unit is being dropped from the Apple authorized dealer
	price list.  In the next few weeks the 4/40 will start appearing
	on Price Club shelves, where it could sell for as little as $900,
	sources said.  No end date has been set for Price Club's PowerBook
	test.

	The 100 has had, by far, the lowest unit sales of Apple's PowerBook
	line, souces said.  The company hopes its low end notebook will do
	better in consumer-electronics channels, where price is sometimes a
	a stronger buying criterion than power.  
	
	Other PowerBook 100 models will continue to be sold through dealer
	channels."
From: GFCARDINALE@poppy.ucdavis.edu (GEOGORY F. CARDINALE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Wanted:  Info on where to get Apple's MIDI Manager
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:40:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

Does anyone know where I can download Apple's MIDI manager utility?
(at an FTP site?).

Thanks, in advance.

Greg C.
gfcardinale@ucdavis.edu
From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Underground Phont Archive List
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Art-
if you read the READMEFIRST document in the bundle it should tell you
that many of the fonts are at sumex-aim.stanford.edu and mac.archive.umich
edu.  However, it also says that many are downloaded from America Online,
and are being slowly posted to those two FTP sites as my master's thesis
permits.

As always, all of them are available through The Underground Phont Archive.

______________________________________________________________________________
Jason Osborne | Disclaimer: Who'd listen to me anyway?
______________________________________________________________________________
For information on the Underground Phont Archive, drop me a note via email
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From: hmayor@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Heather Mayor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Postscript file problem
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:23:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Postscript files
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Keywords: 

I am having a problem in saving postscript files from programs
like Delta Graph Pro etc. I am using an Apple laser printer
and am simply printing to a file rather than the printer.  I
appear to be getting interference from Print Monitor even
when the printer is turned off!  Any ideas?

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From: Jim.Kauffman@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Kauffman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: CRC vs. Checksum
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:47:04 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/20

Does anyone know the relative merits of checksum vs. CRC for detecting 
error(s) in a block of data? I would like to calculate the probability of 
an undetected error for various block sizes, checksum/CRC word length etc. 
If you know where this type of information can be found, I would 
appreciate hearing from you. I seem to recall reading a Byte article some 
years ago about this subject, but so far, I have not been able to locate 
it.

Jim K.


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From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:53:24 GMT
 <92211.161803ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET>
 <1992Jul29.172629.22165@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
 <lefty-290792163808@lefty.apple.com>
Organization: KFA  Forschungszentrum Juelich

In article <lefty-290792163808@lefty.apple.com>, lefty@apple.com (David "Lefty"
Schlesinger) says:
>
>>    "[Apple executives] made it clear to [analysts] that they will
>>    aggressively price their products soon," said John Girton, vice
>>    president of research for Van Kasper & Co. in San Francisco.
>> feeling the pinch of the much cheaper PC clones.
>
>With all due respect, I think this is a misinterpretation.
>
>If you look back over the past couple of years, Apple has been increasing
>pressure on the clone makers by aggressively lowering Macintosh prices,
>rather than the other way around.
>
It`s pretty much irrelevant which way round it is as long as prices go down.

>All the above quote suggests is that we're going to continue to do so.

GO ON. Nobody will stop you. /:-)


Michael Bode.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.misc:13704 comp.sys.mac.system:10323 comp.sys.mac.apps:12345
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:54:32 GMT

In article <ajross.711766311@husc9>, ajross@husc9.harvard.edu (Andrew Ross) writes:
> 
> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
> 
> 
> >I recall the original message containing hostility and condescention.
> >Apparently, it is OK to lambast the Mac with hostility and condescention,
> >but not to reply to hostility and condescention with the same.  There is a
> >word to describe that attitude.  I'll let you look it up in your thesaurus.
> 
> Re-read my posts.  As I recall, I ended every one of them my saying that I
> really LIKE the mac, just that I wouldn't recommend buying one at current
> prices.

Sorta like calling a group of people inferior and saying that as a group, you
don't want to associate with them, but then throwing in that some of your best
friends are members of that group.

> Calling me a hypocrite is not exactly the most tactful way to respond
> here.  Please grow up.

Well, you haven't been Mr. Tact yourself.  I'm already grown up; now all you have
to do is grow up yourself.  Further, I never called you a hypocrite.  I didn't
call you anything.  I did say something about your attitude, though.  I thought
that an adult could understand the difference between the two.  I guess that I
was wrong about that.
From: ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:01:50 GMT
 <1992Jul15.115921.14033@msc.cornell.edu> <ajross.711328520@husc9>
 <5794.2a6ac834@hayes.com> <92203.173612ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET>
 <5805.2a6d64c8@hayes.com>
Organization: KFA  Forschungszentrum Juelich

In article <5805.2a6d64c8@hayes.com>, bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) says:
>

>We're not talking about just pushing diskettes into a drive. We're talking
>about keeping up with all the hardware incompatabilities that are so rampant
>on DOS machines. It takes lots of time and hassle.
>
I installed OS/2 and Windoze 3.1 just pushing disk in. I installed System 7
once and System 6.07 twice also pushing disks. My Mac came with 7 and I had to
install 6.07 due to bad perfomance and _incompatibilities_. Later I gave 7 a
second chance `cause I needed virtual memory. And again it died with other
apps.

>You mean five times faster for some reasonably contrived example. WHO CARES??!

I DO !

>What is the senseless obsession with speed? Why are MIPS more important
>than usability? Do you buy a car by looking under the hood for a 600 HP
>engine? Sheesh!
>
We have a simulation program here at work that typically runs for about 2h
for one simulation on a 33MHz 486. I don`t want to try it on a IIsi.

>If, tommorrow, I dropped on your desk an infinitely fast DOS machine, you'd
>perhaps be 5% more productive with it. If that.

There are other simulation runs that would take about 2 years to complete.
If youve have that infinitely fast DOS machine we wouldn`t need our CRAY.


>Granted. But then, there really aren't any OS/2 applications that use
>that consistant OS/2 support, are there?

Say "that much" instead of "any" and I agree. But this _is_ changing.

>> I let my boss buy me an IIsi for office and bought myself a 386 for home.
>
>That statement alone reveals much about your character....
>
Yes it`s fine! My boss has to pay me at work. So for him the Mac is the better
deal. At home nobody pays me but I have to pay the computer. So for me the
386 is the better deal. Were is the problem?

Michael Bode, Research Center Juelich, Germany.
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From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: NEEDED: Recommendations!
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 07:57:52 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


mnc0678@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.N. Cannava ) writes:

> I'm in need of recommendations for either shareware or commercial
> solutions to the following:

> 	1. Need a hierarchical apple menu. Mine's getting waaaay too
> 	   cluttered.

HAM from Microseeds or HandOff II (both commercial).

> 	2. Need a program to place frequently-used programs/files as 
> 	   "tiles" on the lower-left of the screen for easy
> 	   click-n-go.

Applicon (freeware, last I checked), available at sumex-aim I think.
However it creates tiles for all currently running applications, not
ones that aren't running.

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From: MacUserLabs@cup.portal.com (Stephan - Somogyi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Compressing fonts?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:10:32 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <Bs44H7.A3L@acsu.buffalo.edu>

v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne) writes:

>Try this: get suitcase II, and create several different suitcases filled
>with various types of fonts. For example, make a suitcase of business fonts,
>fun fonts, fancy fonts, etc. Autodoubler should compress those. Then, you
>can only open up whateer suitcase you want depending on what type of work
>you have to do. 

This is not a good idea, since any time a file is opened it is automatically
decompressed by AutoDoubler, thereby negating any usefulness of compression.

Suitcase II's compression will compress bitmaps quite well and decompress the
individual font size's bitmap on the fly, leaving all bitmaps in a compressed
state on your hd. Suitcase's utility also compresses TrueType fonts, however
not with the same degree of compression as with bitmaps due to the makeup of
the TT data.

Type 1 fonts are almost completely uncompressable since they are encrypted.

__________________________________________________________________________
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From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: Macs cost too much (NOT!)
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<CKD.92Jul25203701@loiosh.eff.org>
	<1992Jul27.154019.2309@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:13:42 GMT

Sang> == Sang J. Moon <smoon@strfleet.gsfc.nasa.gov> 

 Sang> [stuff deleted about how much harder it is to install a CD-ROM on a
 Sang> 486/33 than a mac]

 Sang> The point I am making is that the installation is a one-time deal
 Sang> on a PC, and that overall, the time spent on either machine
 Sang> "fiddling" is the same.

Um, no, because when we need to do net stuff on the PC, I effectively
have to uninstall the CD-ROM and reinstall the Ethernet drivers.  It's
not a one-time thing...because then someone wants to use the CD-ROM again.

 Sang> Example:
 Sang> We have a center-wide mail system called Goddard mail which is
 Sang> archaic, but it has a huge user base.  One of the things I do is
 Sang> connect macs and PCs to this mail system.

Better Example:
We have a sitewide email system based on our Sun, using POP3.  One of
the things I do is connect Macs and PCs to this.

Connecting a Mac:
1) install and configure MacTCP.
2) install and configure Eudora.
3) show the user how to do simple Eudora stuff, and where the Balloon
   Help menu is :-)

Connecting a PC:
1) explain that the user can't use the CD-ROM drive if they want to get email.
2) install and configure the Ethernet card.
3) install a packet driver for said card.
4) install some PC POP client, and try to explain that F1 doesn't mean
   help like it does in WordPerfect, so they need to use shift-alt-H.
5) tear out hair.

This is hypothetical, because we simply don't get PCs for people to use;
however, it shows that if you're using an interoperable mail standard,
it's easier to set up the Mac.  (Even when PC-Eudora comes out, it'll
still be much simpler to set up TCP/IP on the Mac...)
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From: fry@tara.harvard.edu (David Fry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: Corporate Newton users?
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:32:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Jul22.183255.14075
Organization: Harvard Math Department

In article <1992Jul22.074304.1@vax1.umkc.edu> tmaehl@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>One question I have about the success of Newton revolves around
>customization.  From what I understand, Apple is keeping software
>development in-house.  As Newton is aimed principally at consumers,
>this is probably okay. But what about corporate users?? Is there
>any provision for developing software for businesses??

There supposedly will be a development system for Newton users to make
their own "applications" for specialized uses.  It will run on Macs
and Windows, and will apparently require about as much programming
skill as developing HyperCard applications.  There is some conjecture
that small customizing houses might open up to do this for users, just
like there are small desktop publishing businesses now.  But if you
can script in Hypercard or develop a 4D database, you should be able
to do it yourself.

Keep in mind that these won't really be separate applications in the
usual sense.  You will develop custom "forms" that lie in the same
database "pile" for the entire Newton.  The maps of the New York City
subway, the fax program, and the address book all run off the same
"program."

David Fry                                  fry@math.harvard.EDU
Division of Applied Sciences               fry@huma1.bitnet
Harvard University                      ...!harvard!huma1!fry
Cambridge, MA  02138            
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: dwf@kepler.unh.edu (Dennis W Fitanides)
Subject: Quadra Sound startup init?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:08:58 GMT

This is being posted for a friend so plase reply to nezwek@lmig.com

Could someone email me the name and archive site where I can find
that nifty Quadra sound startup init?  Even a location of the sound
would be cool.  Plaease email me as I do not have a newsfeed at my site.
Thanks

Tom Nezwek
Systems Administrator
Liberty Mutual
nezwek@lmig.com
From: gmb@larry.sal.wisc.edu (Gene M Buchholtz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Need info on Mac/IBM SCSI
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:46:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Space Astronomy Lab, Madison, WI
Originator: gmb@larry.sal.wisc.edu

I have been watching the net for a needed hard drive and I notice adds
selling IBM SCSI hard drive with controller.  Can I use this hard drive
on my mac if I add the cable and power supply?  If it will work, do I
have to reformat the drive with the proper interleave?  I don't know why
but the drives I have seen advertised for IBM seem to be a little
cheaper then the ones for Mac.  I do a lot of work with Mac's but I
don't know much about the IBM.  If you would care to, you can respond to
me on the net.                            

gmb@sal.wisc.edu (or)
gbuchholtz@ssec.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,alt.config,comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.handhelds,comp.sys.pen,news.config
From: analyst@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.sys.newton(was RFD: alt.apple.newton
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:03:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


I agree with the many who argue for a general newsgroup for newton. Isn't it
about time we stopped talking about talking about, and did whatever the
process is to raise it for a vote.

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From: longdo@techbook.com (Don Long)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: C compiler
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:54:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Jul27.055400.9003
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135


I'm looking for a C compiler for my mac plus. I don't have a hard drive,
so I need something small and simple. It doesn't need to have an editor,
but then that means i have to also find a small editor to go along with
it. If anyone knows of any ftp sites with a compiler, please post or
send e'mail to: coelloc@pdaxs.techbook.com

thanks,

carol :)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
From: schweda@iastate.edu (Christopher Schweda)
Subject: What's the umich temp FTP address?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:18:22 GMT




What's the temporary umich FTP IP number? I've heard that the machine is
down but that it is still accessible. I saw an address a couple posts
back but forget to save it -- and now I can't locate the old message.


Any help would be much appreciated. Please post any responses, as I'm
sure there might be others wondering the same thing.


Thanks in advance,
Chris Schweda
From: lad@ausom.oz.au (Lyn Dawson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Tape Back Up
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:43:02 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

Trying to restore from a tape using MacTape.  Am getting a message which
reads "Restoration Aborted - File Mark Detected".  Any ideas how I can
get past this.  Otherwise I've totally lost all my backed up files (2 tapes
are doing this and one broke - the broken one was my last backup).  Any
ideas would be greatly appreciated.  Please reply in English due to the
fact that I have very little if no programming skills.

Taa muchly - Lyn.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.games,alt.sex
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Strip-Mac! 1.3 available for FTP
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:06:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.142625.11038@athena.cs.uga.edu> kendall@castor.cs.uga.edu (ROB KENDALL) writes:
>Anyone out there have any cool party games like this for the PC??

Are you kidding?  The PC wouldn't play games like this!








Oh, you meant Personal Computer.  Never mind.

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From: cbm@stiatl.salestech.com (Chris Medders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Where can I mail order a "grappler" cable ?
Summary: Need to purchase a "grappler" cable.
Keywords: grappler, printer, cable
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:02:03 GMT
Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc.


Does anyone know of a mail order house (number &/or address) where I can get
a "grappler" cable to connect a Macintosh SE/30 & an NEC LC-860+ ?!?  Is 
Computer Shopper a good resource or is there an equivalent magazine just for
Mac's ?!?  By the way, thanks for all the replies I received regarding the
Mac --> NEC connectivity problem !!

-Chris

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