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From: cprice@treehut.waffle.atl.ga.us (Clyde Price)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: DOUBLE TALK
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:16:37 GMT
Reply-To: cprice@treehut.waffle.atl.ga.us  (Clyde Price)
Organization: Clyde's TreeHut BBS
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference

Index Number: 21195

Carl.Herring@f11.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Carl Herring) writes:

> Index Number: 20990
>
> i use the double talk and find it most efficent
> ... would
> recommend it highly for a inexpencive but reliable synthosizer.
> works good with scanner andreading large text.

        I'm a  working with a project to transfer large amounts
of  public  domain text into straight ASCII.   Obviously, this
would be convenient for readers using voice synthesizers or Braille
terminals.  I have not yet found a scanner and Optical Character
Recognition setup that did the job as well as a typist. I have also
not found a full page scanner for under a thousand dollars U.S.

        Would Double Talk be a good O.C.R. and scanner setup for our
electronic text project?  How much does it cost and where can I get
information?

        Have some of you already scanned public domain text material
into ASCII text that you have kept on your system?  My associates and I
are working primarily on specifically Christian material, but I am also
interested in "classic" literature and historical stuff.  I don't yet
have the list of Project Gutenberg material, but I've just recently
heard of them and their efforts to produce "etexts".

        I'd like to hear your opinions and your advice.

Clyde Price, SysOp: Clyde's TreeHut BBS 404/767-1632/I'm a "whosoever"!
P.O.Box 667      Sec'y: Atlanta Christian Tech Society (meets 3rd Tues)
Red Oak, GA 30272-0667/ CIS#76616,3452 /cprice@treehut.waffle.atl.ga.us
* * John 3:16   F G s l t w t H g H o b S, t w b i H s n p, b h e l.* *
From: Warren.Figueiredo@f6.n3800.z1.fidonet.org (Warren Figueiredo)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Blindness classic
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:31:21 GMT
Reply-To: Warren.Figueiredo@f6.n3800.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3800/6 - CompuChurch (tm) IH, Baton Rouge LA

Index Number: 20966

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

One book I would recommend is Berthold Lowenfeld's The Changing Status
of the Blindd. Another book that made an impression on me is Jacob
Twersky's novel, The Face of the Deep. The author of The Making of
Blind Men is Robert A. Scott.

You might also want to read Robert B. Irwin's AS I SAW IT particularly
the chapter entitled "The War of the Dots."

Most of these books are available from RFB.

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From: Lisa.Warner@f124.n267.z1.fidonet.org (Lisa Warner)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Barrier Town
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:32:13 GMT
Reply-To: Lisa.Warner@f124.n267.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:267/124 - The Three L's BBS, Latham NY

Index Number: 20879

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Just wanted to say that I had a friend who wanted to know what it
was like to be blind.  So he insisted on having us take him into New
York City blindfolded anbd that no matter how he protested we were
not to take the blindfold away until a specified time.  He learned a
lot that day including the fact that I can't turn my sight back on
when I want it.

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From: Paul.Migliorelli@p1.f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Migliorelli)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: braille magazine shipping
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:06:43 GMT
Reply-To: Paul.Migliorelli@p1.f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203.1 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY

Index Number: 21107

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I've found myself getting perplexed lately after coming across
several recent editions of magazines I get.  I'm hoping someone
working in braille production could explain this way of thinking.
I have seen issues of Washington Post BOOKWORLD arriving from
National Braille Press, and Braille Book Review coming from Braille
International, arriving in rather huge boxes.  Sometimes BookWorld
is embossed in 2 rather thin parts, (of about 117 pages total).
Why, if NBP is producing Dialogue in 1 part, and fitting it into an
envelope, are they not consolidating a BookWorld issue into 1 part
and shipping it in an envelope as well.  When Associated Services
produced Braille Book Review, I distinctly remember it showing up
in an envelope.  Granted, people say thinner publications are less
bulky  for overall handling.  And, of course, things arrive in
envelopes quite often looking like they were eaten and spit out
before delivery.  I certainly can see all these points, and I
always am on the lookout for a good box to use as a shipping
carton.  Magazine boxes *do indeed come in handy for UPS and other
send outs.  I don't mean to complain or ramble, but as I say, my
curiosity is peaked.  What is the true criteria, if any, that
causes many thin multi-parted publications to be shipped in huge
boxes????

Sorry for all of this not making any sense.  I've been up 27 hours or so.
Time for bed.  I'll check in later.
'night all!!!!

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From: DDZ@PSUVM.PSU.EDU (Carolyn Dudas)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Sign Fonts for Print Shop
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:25:55 GMT
Reply-To: DDZ@PSUVM.PSU.EDU (Carolyn Dudas)
Organization: Penn State University
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference

Index Number: 20819

Well, I found the catalog, but the sign fonts are for a program
called First Publisher.  However, there might be a graphics
conversion package that you could use that could translate it into
something you could use with Print Shop.  Here's the name and
address of the company in case you're interested:

  Public Brand Software
  P.O. Box 51315
  Indianapolis, IN  46251
    800-426-3475
    317-856-7571  (in Indianapolis)
From: Kelly.Ford@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Kelly Ford)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: New JAWS Release
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:40:39 GMT
Reply-To: Kelly.Ford@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA

Index Number: 20976

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DT>         Thanks for pointing out the problem of j_load turning
 DT>         off the auto loading feature, I hadn't noticed that but
 DT>  you are right.  I also noticed that my old macro files from
 DT>  2.14 didn't work with 2.20 there should be a way to upgrade
 DT>  your macros without having to write all new ones. D. T.

Most of your JAWS 2.14 macros should work with JAWS 2.2.  The only thing
I had to do was add macros for the new 2.2 features like Color Bar
tracking, autoloading and Smart Screens to my 2.14 configs.

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From: Barbara.Akin@p0.f15.n114.z1.fidonet.org (Barbara Akin)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Glasses
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:34:09 GMT
Reply-To: Barbara.Akin@p0.f15.n114.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:114/15.0 - St Joes Hospital, Phoenix AZ

Index Number: 21180

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi all! I am looking for the address and/or phone number of a company in
Canada I believe who makes a unique pair of glasses.
The glasses were designed for people waiting to get their artificial
eyes made.
They look like regular eye glasses, but in the lense, they have a three
dementional eye.
They look Very realistic, not like carnival glasses or anything like
that!
If anyone here has heard of this company, I'd appreciate knowing where
they are.
I would like to put an add for them in my newsletter.
Thanks much!

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From: pkemp@byron.u.washington.edu (Paul Kemp)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Marijuana and the Disabled
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:15:57 GMT
Reply-To: pkemp@byron.u.washington.edu (Paul Kemp)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Index Number: 20937

For information on the medical uses of Marijuana in the reduction of
muscle spasms and chronic pain contact:

Paralyzed Americans for Legal Medical Marijuana

PALM
P.O. Box 21210
Washington, DC  20009

202-483-8595  or  813-684-1031
From: Jeanne.Mcwhorter@f41.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Jeanne Mcwhorter)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: depression
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:05:20 GMT
Reply-To: Jeanne.Mcwhorter@f41.n106.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:106/41 - Beehive BBS, Houston Tx

Index Number: 21003

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

My fellow has not worked in about 10 years.  He was being abused by his
wife when I met him and has a minus level of self-esteem.  He is
convinced that he cannot find a job though he speaks several languages
and is higly computer literate.  The worse thing is that he just can't
make himself try anymore.  He tried to start a brailling business, which
I was delighted to help him with, but it got so that I had to initiate
everything concerning it, so I stopped.  I am now unemployed as well and
cannot fight his depression any more.  It has started affecting me as
well.  We also have no ac, even though we pay for it in our rent, and he
is quite large, in both height and size, and so that affects him
terribly, as it does me.
I hate to get personal on what apprears to be a mostly technical echo,
but I'm not sure where else to even ask for answers.  He has such
negative things to say about the council for the blind here and the
lighthouse that I am reluctant to go there.  What types of jobs can
totals do?  He is brilliant and so gets bored real easily if the job is
repititios and when he did work, he felt severely discounted because of
his blindness.  He has been blind all his life but according to friends,
he only got this badly depressed during the last few hyears of his
marriage. I am in school and get my act together soon or flunk out.  I
have worked for too many years to get into grad school.  I cannot loose
it because of all that is going on, so if anyone has any ideas, please
let me know.  He doesn't have a dog anymore since he died a few years
back.  He's only about a year away from a BA but am not sure I can
support him, or want to, for that length of time.  When I got help
financially, I was working my butt off. He just sits around and does
nothing.  He's a brilliant man with a marvelous wit and flair for
languages and medical information, etc. Surely there is something he
could do, right?
Thanks...

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From: Paul.Migliorelli@p1.f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Paul Migliorelli)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: restaurant etiquette
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:39:08 GMT
Reply-To: Paul.Migliorelli@p1.f203.n2603.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/203.1 - The Shop Mail Only, Flushing NY

Index Number: 20951

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

David, of late, I've found myself getting blatantly brave when
going out to eat, either at a restaurant or for a special
occasion.  Wanna know how??  I ask upon ordering that the food be
cut!!  Not that I can't do it, (it was certainly drummed into my
head at home over the years, and still is for that matter).   But
when there's really no room at a crowded table for arm
movements...  Well, I guess you get the idea.  I do take sinister
pride in asking for cutting help, and I love picturing my parents
flipping out when I do it.  And, yes, I've asked to have food cut
in front of them- ha ha ha!!  And you know something?  I've had
countless sighted people say immediately after "Hey, that's a great
idea. I never thought of having them cut it in the kitchen.  I'll
have to try that sometime."

Bon apetit!!

Hmmmm, now if I could just figure out a way to pour the wine from
the bottle into this glass at this here table...

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From: Daniel.Murphy@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Murphy)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Telecommunications
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:06:18 GMT
Reply-To: Daniel.Murphy@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460.0 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA

Index Number: 21105

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Jim.  Nice to run into another blind user of Unix.  How did you
get hold of manuals?  did the system you were using have the "man"
facility?  Ours didn't.  My boss didn't wish to spend the money.  I
now have access to a local unix system, so it's a bit easier to get
information when I need it.

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From: Noe.Villeda@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Noe Villeda)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Ada and money printing
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:02:20 GMT
Reply-To: Noe.Villeda@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl

Index Number: 20904

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Darrell, I agree with you about the braille money, but the only
problem would be that you'd probably have people trying to braille
their own bills or something crazy like that.  It's a neat idea
though. Noe

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From: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org (David Tanner)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: windows and icons
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:32:57 GMT
Reply-To: David.Tanner@f168.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/168 - Braille Bank BBS, Pittsburgh PA

Index Number: 21174

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Barbara, your only possible solution at this time is to contact the
IBM Screen Reader people and see how soon the new Screen Reader for
OS2 will be released and you should be able to use the Windows
software through OS2 Presentation Manager.  Now, that is what they,
IBM, is saying.  I have only seen a brief demonstration of this
last summer at the IBM booth at the ACB convention and have no idea
how well it really works.

Frankly, given the fact that they have been talking about how
wonderful it is and pushing it since last spring and they still
haven't released it, it would make one wonder whether it is real
software or a fantastic dream or vaporware.

        D. T.

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From: Joan.Wolschleger@f3.n157.z1.fidonet.org (Joan Wolschleger)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: School idea
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:49:36 GMT
Reply-To: Joan.Wolschleger@f3.n157.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:157/3 - Nerd's Nook, Rocky River OH

Index Number: 21217

Date: 03-27-92 (23:32)             Number: 23396 From: SHAWN KEEN                   Refer#: NONE
  To: ALL                           Recvd: NO subj: SCHOOL IDEA                    Conf: (3) DisABLEd ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
SK>I had a idea the other day while sitting in my 12th grade child
SK>developement class.
SK>why not have a class that tought braille and sign language to sighted people.
SK>what is your views on this idea.
SK>also it could teach what handycaped people go thrue and the stumbles
SK>they have in life.

Teaching braille to sighted people hasn't been very successful.  It
is also of very limited usefulness because sighted people wouldn't
need to use it and would most likely ignore the strange symbols in
favor of the more recognized visual symbols.

However, teaching sign language can enrich the lives of both the
hearing impaired as well as hearing unimpaired because it increases
the likelihood that communication can be established with someone
who cannot speak at all or cannot speak intelligably.  If everyone
could sign then some of the noise polution could be eliminated.  I
can see and hear, and picked up a bit of American Sign from
acquaintances, but since I don't associate with deaf people on a
daily basis, I've forgotten most of what I once knew.  Many deaf
people don't sign, but read lips.  Reading lips catches about 50 to
70% of spoken words.  It is probably better for the deaf to both
read lips and use sign language.  === * OLX 2.2 * Dime: a dollar
with all the taxes taken out.

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From: Debbie.Crafts@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Debbie Crafts)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Word Perfect Docs
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:11:20 GMT
Reply-To: Debbie.Crafts@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460.0 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA

Index Number: 21128

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi,

Just recently, I had the opportunity to purchase Word Perfect v5.1
at a considerable discount.  It looks like it'll do anything I want
it to (and some things I never imagined wanting to do) I was able
to get some tutorials from RFB, all of which say somewhere near the
beginning "you need to read the manual."  Problem is, I can't seem
to find the WP manuals in an accessible format.  They're probably
right under my nose some place, but I can't find them!  At first I
wasn't too worried.  After all, RFB has virtually everything?
Right?  I called 'em up and was told that although they have 28
books on wp51, they don't have the manual. Wierd! Anyway, I was
wondering if someone could point me in the right direction for
getting the original docs in an accessible media.  Thanks in
advance for your help.--Debbie

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From: Ted.Filteau@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Ted Filteau)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Word Perfect Docs
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:23:47 GMT
Reply-To: Ted.Filteau@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460.0 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA

Index Number: 21134

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DC>  to read the manual."  Problem is, I can't seem to find the WP
 DC>  manuals in an accessible format.

Hi Debbie,
I got the wp51 manual from Arts computer which is now in Cambridge, Ma.
I also have heard that you can get it on disk from WP itself.  I forget
what Peter Durand is charging for it from Arts computer products.  I
haven't read the whole thing, it's fairly healthy.
Hope this helps,  Ted

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From: William.Wilson@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (William Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Blind fold the sighted
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:33:45 GMT
Reply-To: William.Wilson@f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA

Index Number: 20969

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 SM> to you--hell, man, the way you handle a knife and fork!--is a
 SM> dead, dead giveaway that you can't see, especially to educated
 SM> people like what you're hanging around with, seeing as you're
 SM> going to college, right?  These people are not stupid!

Steve,
    I'm not saying I totally disagree with you, but on the other hand, I
don't totally agree with you either!

     First of all, by the legal definition of blindness, there are
people out there who are "blind", and who refer to themselves as
"blind", who show absolutely no visual signs of being blind in their
outward behavior!  Hell, I am sure that I was legally blind for months,
maybe years, before most people had any idea I was lacking in peeper
function, and other than hanging up the car keys, I didn't change that
much in my life to lead people to come to the conclusion!
     Secondly, there are still people who have served me in restaurants
or seen me in situations where I am fairly comfortable without
recognizing the fact I was blind till LeeRoy came out of hiding from
under the table as I was leaving!  This is neither something I am proud
of or embarassed by, just a fact, that's all!

     I think most of us here are familiar with the term "blindisms", and
if we're REAL honest with each other, we'll admit that each and every
one of us has them to varying degrees.  I no more think absense or
presense of them reflects our competancy than I think the Steelers are
going to win the SuperBowl next year, but most definitely, they do
affect the likliness of us being recognized as being blind by a casual
observer!

     No, blindness might not be an invisible disability in all cases, or
even in most cases given a long enough exposure, but I simply can't buy
your argument that it NEVER is!
                                                        Willie

... Like a bat out of Bellevue!

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From: Greg.Pike@f49.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Pike)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Hardware GUI access
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:25:22 GMT
Reply-To: Greg.Pike@f49.n272.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:272/49 - Calliope's Den, Garrison NY

Index Number: 21141

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Kelly,

Sorry for the long delay in getting back to you.  I attended the
CSUN conference a couple weeks ago, and have been trying to get
caught up ever since.  The company that is looking into a hardware
solution to GUI access is Papenmeier.  They are a German company
and currently produce a hardware card that provides braille access
to character based text.  If you can receive netmail on your BBS I
can send you their address.  If you're planning on attending either
the ACB or NFB conferences this year, I would expect them to be
there, and you can probably get more information directly from
them.

/Greg

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From: Shawn.Keen@f7014.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Shawn Keen)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: school idea
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:46:29 GMT
Reply-To: Shawn.Keen@f7014.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/7014 - The Soft-Ware Haven, Rowlett TX

Index Number: 20982

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I had a idea while sitting in my 12th grade child developement class.
why not have a class that tought braille to sighted people.
as an elective.
what do you all thank.

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From: Joel.Lefkowitz@f54.n135.z1.fidonet.org (Joel Lefkowitz)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Birmingham Pain Clinic Visit #4
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:52:12 GMT
Reply-To: Joel.Lefkowitz@f54.n135.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:135/54 - Ramblin' Roots, Miami FL

Index Number: 21036

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

When I was in the Baptist Hospital in Miami, they had me on Demeral
and a few other medications that they were trying to use to block
the pain. My Doctor walked in my room one evening and calmly says,
I'm taking you off the demeral because you are now addicted. I told
him that I wasn't and we started to argue. My wife and daughters
sitting in the room started crying. He walked out of the room and
my wife and I started discussing what we were going to do.

The doctor came back the next evening and asked how bad the
withdrawal was. I told him that I had no symptoms. He insinuated
that I was lying and called the nurse in. The nurse told him that I
had no symptoms during the day or evening. He muttered something
and left the room. Two hours later I was back on medication until
the bout with the adhesions was over.

When I call him now and ask for pain medication, there is never an
argument.  I am still using the biofeedback and the self-hypnosis
but sometimes when the pain is severe I need the medication.

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