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From: jhardono@ucs.indiana.edu (JUMAHADI HARDONO)
Subject: Secular, Muslim Brotherhood and Changes
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:58:05 GMT

Dear netters,
     What is happening to our muslims brothers and sisters around
the world shows to us that our brotherhood and our sensitivity
among muslims are not too strong. Maybe some of muslims
themselves are not concerned on the muslim issues around them.
maybe they only realize the importance of the sensitivity and
brotherhood when themselve are getting suffered.
     We must force strongly our government to assist these
suffered sisters and brothers in any mean that is necessary. We
cannot let our government ignore the suffer of our muslims around
us. If they do ignore it, they will be unforgiven. 
     Sometimes, muslim countries which are far from Bosnia and
Iraq wonder what the muslims  these countries (across by seas) are doing.
Have they done something better?... Did they know that their
brothers and sisters who are living close to them are being
murders, tortured, bombarded and raped?
     Unfortunately, most of current muslim countries are being
ruled by western puppets or beggars . So, we need changes... The
solution is there... We have to replace our secular government.




hadi... 
     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian.telegu
From: mohang@netcom.com (Mohan Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: call for discussion to form newsgroup soc.history.southasia
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:21:14 GMT


                         Call for discussion on forming NewsGroup
                         ----------------------------------------
                                     -SOC.HISTORY.SOUTHASIA
                                      ---------------------
     I do not know the exact procedure to do this and would like
 a few enlightened souls to inform/advise me on the subject of 
 forming a new newsgroup.
          Anyway, I would be very much interested in pushing for
 a group dedicated to the discussion of S ASIAN history(which is
 roughly the region encompassing India,Pakistan,Bangladesh,Sri-Lanka,
 Bhutan, Nepal, Afghanistan and the Maldives). It would be nice if
 the group could be moderated(dont know the procedure for that either).
 We would be discussing different historical periods and perspectives
 in south asian history. While history itself is a political subject,
 it would be nice if uninformed politically motivated half truths as
 we see in the "CULTURE" groups can be excluded by moderation. This 
 is such that the group be dedicated to the discussion of history
 alone. If the group has a goal or objective, it is to enlighten
 ourselves with a better understanding od S ASIAN HISTORY thro mutual
 help.
                       -Mohan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: izaz@cbnews.cb.att.com (sheikh.izazul.haque)
Subject: Re: In Seething India, Village Peaceful
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:38:24 GMT
Followup-To: poster

>     Perhaps these ignorant and illeterate people can teach us a thing or
> two.
> Rafat


That sounds pretty elitist. By the way, its not "illeterate", but "illiterate".

izaz
From: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Re: Bangladesh: Child Labor
Reply-To: haque@sunray.ece.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:41:56 GMT

In article 16983@umr.edu, raza@ee.umr.edu (Md Ishfaqur Raza) writes:

> The best we could do as conscious citizens and symthetizers of these children
> is make sure that the industries provide some sort of education to these
> minors and even adults. It ain't that cost extravagant and would be much
> better than having them throwed out into the streets. If the Public opinion
> was supportive the industries could be forced to do these sort of programmes;
> these are not euphoric.

I think it's euphoric, although it doesn't mean that we should never run after 
euphoria. No one is forcing the industries to hire children. They are hired 
simply because they are cheaper. Imposing such constraints wouldn't make child 
labor cost effective any more and that would simply result in the loss of 
children's jobs (Here I am assuming that the govt have the ability to enforce 
the law).

What you have suggested is a long term global solution which, if realized, will 
solve almost every problem. But in the short term, regarding  the problem of 
child labor, it can't make any diffenece since one can't educate and raise 
consciousness of people in such an isolated fashion. 
 
> Md IShfaqur Raza 
> 

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University
From: vgupta@uceng.uc.edu (Vikas Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: TASTY JAMOONS!!
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:32:45 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati


This is a test!!
From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Muzaffar Ali or Muzaffar Ahmed? 
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:19:11 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan22.151621.28918@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
> In article <1993Jan20.181855.46576@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>
>>  for Urban Development - transferring it to Alimuddin Street - Muzaffar
>>  Ali Bhavan
> 
> Where is the Muzaffar Ali Bhavan that you are referrring to ? Muzaffar
> Ahmed was one of the founders of the undivided communist party of India.
> Do you mean Muzaffar Ahmed Bhavan instead of Muzaffar Ali Bhavan ?
> 
> -Sayan.
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  How does it matter ?

   - deb chatterjee
 (a good samaritan)
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan )
Subject: Maha-AArtis  ....  A welcome trend.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:37:33 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Recently, reports from Bombay suggest that Maha-Aartis  conducted
on the streets are growing more and more popular.

Finally, some Hindus have the guts to pray publicly in their
 own mother land
without being scared of anti-nationals.  

Well if people of other faiths can pray loudly in the wake of dawn
and cause public nuisance, then Hindus have the solemn right to
conduce Maha-aratis. 

Finally, the Hindu-Population is awake and aware of their rights.
Yes, this was only a matter of time.

S.h
Proud to be a Hindu
Vande mataram
jai-hind
Bharat mata meri janani
From: subram94@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Study of supercomputer market in US
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:52:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I am a first-year MBA student at the Wharton 
School, U of Penn.  A group of us are planning to 
study the US supercomputer industry to analyze 
possible niche markets for the PARAM 
supercomputers produced by Center for Development 
of Advanced Computing (C-DAC) in India.

We would appreciate any help from experts in this 
area.  Please contact me (Narayanan Subramanyan) at:
     subram94@wharton.upenn.edu

Thank you.
From: mdubey@MtHolyoke.edu (Mandakini Dubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: U.S. Citizen NRIs Please leave India alone (Re: BJP)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 09:57:18 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I unthinkingly poked my head into this newsgroup, and before I hastily 
withdraw it let me say that if the future of india is what is espoused by
these rabid hindu fundamentalists, COUNT ME OUT!
From: mece1e3@Elroy.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Dr. Jayaraman's article
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:01:25 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mece1e3@Elroy.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu

>hence the conflict. In my view the short term vote-gathering objectives
>advanced in the name of secularism are not doing anything to resolve this
>basic conflict. Leftists never seem to have addressed the question from
>this aspect. And in the absence of any serious consdieration by any group
>this conflict will be settled the way RJB/BM appears to be getting settled.
>That is my view of the future that is yet to unfold.
>
>
>---raj
Sigh )-:. I guess you are right about the near future. Unless the human beings
learn to look at one another as just another human being and cannot shed off
"pseudo-patriotism" that is the way all the disputes will be settled -- no
enhanced.
Love
Arindam
From: sudhakar@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Sudhakar Mamillapalli)
Subject: WANTED ROOMMATES FOR 1993-94 AT PURDUE
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: h
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:39:06 GMT

I am looking for room-mates for 1993-94 school year here at purdue. I am a graduate student in the department of agricultural engineering. I would like to move few miles away from campus. Anyhow, I dont mind staying close to the campus too. I am a quite person and non-smoker.
 If anybody is interested please send me a mail. I will get back to them. 
Thankyou.
e-mail   sudhakar@ecn.purdue.edu
Ph(Res)  743-1872
Ph(off)  494-1196 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: venks@maize.ecn.purdue.edu (Kareenhalli V Venkatesh)
Subject: Re: Religion based laws in India
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:38:35 GMT

In article <C1H7Fv.I7t@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan) writes:
>raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopal) says in soc.culture.tamil:
>> Hindu institutions have to pay income taxes while non-hindu institutions
>> are exempt.                                       (muslim)
>> Apparently, the muslim religion doesn't allow for alimony for the
>> wife in cases of divorce.
>> However, the Indian government has now created a board, funded 
>> with public tax money, to pay the divorced muslim woman alimony.
>> the islamic religion allows polygamy.
>
>Same thing in islamic countries.
>
>I suppose India can be called as an Islamic country, with majority
>Hindu population.
>
>Nehru and his dynasty, whose vision was always a united India and Pakistan,
>kept these laws of British colonial days, just in case.
>
>On the other hand, I think Pakistan has modernized its laws. 
>
>KS

In article <C1H7Fv.I7t@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan) writes:
>raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopal) says in soc.culture.tamil:
>> Hindu institutions have to pay income taxes while non-hindu institutions
>> are exempt.                                       (muslim)
>> Apparently, the muslim religion doesn't allow for alimony for the
>> wife in cases of divorce.
>> However, the Indian government has now created a board, funded 
>> with public tax money, to pay the divorced muslim woman alimony.
>> the islamic religion allows polygamy.
>
>Same thing in islamic countries.
>
>I suppose India can be called as an Islamic country, with majority
>Hindu population.
>
>Nehru and his dynasty, whose vision was always a united India and Pakistan,
>kept these laws of British colonial days, just in case.
>
>On the other hand, I think Pakistan has modernized its laws. 
>
>KS

  I remember reading some two year ago that Ramkrishna Ashrama who
  were registered as a HINDU institution, declared itself as a
  NON-HINDU institution to avoid the tax...Has anyone any details
  about this....
  ---venkatesh
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Truth In Advertising
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:35:30 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu


Received this by e-mail.

From rec.humor.funny:

In article <S4ea.5247@looking.on.ca>, ICNXH@asuvm.inre.asu.edu ( Nadeem Haque) w
rites:
> read this on soc.culture.pakistan. forwarding it, courtesy of the
> original poster.
> 
> The neon signs at the terminal buildings of an airport in the capital
> city of pakistan say:
> 
>                 islamabad international airport
> 
> one night when some of the segments didn't work, it read:
> 
>                 is a  bad international airport
> 
> Nadeem Haque
> icnxh@asuacad.bitnet
> 

My comment: Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings...

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
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From: gidh@bucknell.edu (Kedar Gidh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Email address of Prof. R. G. Rice
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:29:40 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: vega.cs.bucknell.edu


cmrice@lsuche.bitnet
From: shridhar@nova.viewlogic.com (VHDL Consultant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for Room-mate
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:03:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc., Marlboro, MA
Originator: shridhar@nova


Hi,
	I will be moving to the San Jose area in February.
I would be interested in hearing from people who are looking
for a room-mate.  You can get in touch with me 
at shridhar@nova.viewlogic.com.
My phone no. (508) 460 0386 (home)
             (508) 480 0881 X 250 (Work) 



--Sridhar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: durai@ortta.umn.edu (Durai Venkatasubramanian)
Subject: Re: Citizenship
Organization: U of Mn
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:33:34 GMT

In article <108324@bu.edu> anshu@bass.bu.edu (Anshu Aggarwal) writes:
>From: anshu@bass.bu.edu (Anshu Aggarwal)
>Subject: Citizenship
>Date: 26 Jan 93 16:53:38 GMT

>I would appreciate it very much if someone could email me the titles
>of these books. Please email the responses to anshu@bu-pub.bu.edu
>

My message to you bounced back.  So I am posting here.

Check out your local public & country libraries.  Public libraries carry 
citizenship pamphlets published by the INS.  These list out typical 
questions, facts, etc.  There is a Barrons guide to citizenship test.  The 
information you get in these pamphlets should be more than adequate.

Typical Qs go like:
 
 1. name the first three presidents
 2. who is your congressman
 3. senators from your state 
 4. why do you want to become a citizen 
 5. tenure of supreme court justices..
 6. tell me something you know about america... (watch out here)
 7. what do you know about democracy and republic  (not the parties, forms 
    of govt)
 8. american flag
 9. how many states
 10. when did your state join the union
 11. how is the president elected
 12. who is the current president
 13. who is the governor of your state
 14. names of secretaries of state  (defence in particular)
 15. constitution 
 
As far as I know, they don't grill you.  (But it depends on the officer and 
the state that you take the test, I hear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: akash@crescent.berkeley.edu (Akash R. Deshpande)
Subject: Re: A Passage from the Rig Veda
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:36:46 GMT

In article <93025.224755RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
|> I would like to point out that this hymn that has been quoted is not at
|> all typical of the Rigveda.  It is a much quoted hymn, but in its
|> mysticism and beauty, it is very different from the usual hymns that one
|> finds in the Rigveda.  Here is a more typical one:

Whatever is in the Rigveda is typical of it, by definition. Moreover,
I claim that it is also typical in spirit. Beauty is often in the
seeing, and mysticism in the feeling. I see beauty in what you quote
as well, and certainly mysticism.

|>   How, what priest's sacrifice hath he made mighty rejoicing in the Soma
|> and its fountain?  Delighting in juice, eagerly drinking, the Lofty one
|> hath waxed for splendid riches.  (IV-XXIII)

Priest in Rigveda is consistently Agni (Agnim ile purohitam). Agni is
the fire of askesis lit by a seeker on the inner spiritual path. One
sacrifices in this fire (or with its aid) one's unregenerate parts,
thereby becoming pure, full of light and joy, enjoying the delightful
essence of the universe, and inheriting the legacy of splendid riches,
both spiritual and material.

|> 
|>   And here is another one, again selected at random:
|> 
|>   Thou art attached to pressed out Soma, Indra, at laud, at prayer, and
|> when the hymn is chanted;  Or when with yoked Bays, Maghavan, thou comest
|> O Indra, bearing in thine arms the thunder.

Seems to me that the delight and essence are tangible to the senses,
Indra being the lord of the senses (Indriya).

|> The hymn originally quoted, the hymn of creation, occurs in book X, the
|> last book of the Rigveda.  To my mind it represents a transition from
|> `praising the gods and asking them for favours', which characterises
|> most of the Rigveda, to a query about the nature of the Universe.
|> This latter spirit is much more characteristic of the Upanishads,
|> than of the Rigveda itself.

Rigveda is not organised chronologically, hence appearance in book X
need not mean transition. Clearly, the forms of the poetry in Rigveda
and the Upanishads are different, the former more symbolic, the latter
more philosophic. The Upanishads, too, though, have significant
symbolism. But I doubt that the spirit of the enquiry was different;
the Upanishads even derive support from the Rigveda (without duress,
we  hope). 

-Akash
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Study of supercomputer market in US
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 01:21:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.105219.1@wharton.upenn.edu> subram94@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>
>I am a first-year MBA student at the Wharton 
>School, U of Penn.  A group of us are planning to 
>study the US supercomputer industry to analyze 
>possible niche markets for the PARAM 
>supercomputers produced by Center for Development 
>of Advanced Computing (C-DAC) in India.
>
>We would appreciate any help from experts in this 
>area.  Please contact me (Narayanan Subramanyan) at:
>     subram94@wharton.upenn.edu
>
>Thank you.
i once read that U.S. government forced an agency send a super computer,
donated by a Japan firm,  back to Japan,  for protecting U.S. super computer
industry.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: reddyp@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Pardhasaradhi A. Reddy)
Subject: Re: need source code to create windows in TURBO C++
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:27:03 GMT

In article <C1DunK.DGr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> indukuri@eagle.sangamon.edu (Padmaja Indukuri) writes:
>Hi netters, 
>		I need source code for creating windows in TURBO C++.
>		I got source code for creating windows in Zortech C++.
>		But it is missing a header file <disp.h>
>		Can anybody send me information regarding creating 
>		windows in Turbo C++ ?
>		Please send me email to 
>		indukuri@eagle.sangamon.edu
>

	Not to flame, but it is a waste of time and money to post such an 
	article in this news group. If you search for newsgroups on msdos
	(assuming you have access to other news groups like you have to this
	one, or is your newsreader selective about newsgroups ? :-); )
	you will find atleast 7 which discuss such topics often. Also, 
	ftp sites like wuarchive.wurstl.edu for instance has a lot of
	well written software readily available free of cost. 


	No offence meant.
	Pardha.

-- 
 Disclaimer : Views expressed by me are purely mine and have nothing to
 do with those of my employer's or any Organization. Reader's discretion
 is strongly advised.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:45520 soc.culture.pakistan:19893 soc.culture.bangladesh:7724
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: ********SALMAN RUSHDIE************
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:02:05 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1993Jan26.025731.9680@fuug.fi> an5584@anon.penet.fi (Salman Rushdie) writes:
>Hip Hip Hurry!!!!!!!!!
>Now Salman Rushdie has invaded the s.c.i.

	   Once again, it is a figment of his imagination. ;-)

>See what will happen now.

	   More fake posters, nothin' else!

	   		 Salman [this is live, not Memorex :-)] Azhar



-- 
When humans are given unalieanable rights like life, liberty, and the
pursuit in happiness, very often they interpret that as happiness of
pursuit which threatens the liberty of life in their surroundings.
                                 --- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: Recipes for your entertainment (a new mailing list)
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:05:35 GMT

In article <susanc.727742036@keckiris>, susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko) writes:
> 
> In light of the newfound interest in mailing lists on this 
> newsgroup, it is clear that newsgroups are passe, and mailing
> lists are chic. Since net.women are invariably trendy, I 
> propose the formation of a new mailing list, to be called
> 
> South Asian Male-Baiting And Rabblerousing, Inc.
> 
> aka. SAMBAR.
> 
> This association will be primarily for women, of course, since
> it is well known that this feature causes increased testosterone
> levels among the target population, which in turn lead to 
> aggravation, rage, and tantrums. SAMBAR does not want to increase
> medical complaints among the SAM population, but a few apoplectic
> splutterings are always enjoyable.
> 
> Selected males who have a proven interest in male-baiting may 
> be included. 
> 
> The activities of SAMBAR will be kept shrouded in deepest
> secrecy, since this aspect also energizes those who suspect
> that great things are going on without them. In actual fact,
> there will be very little need to do anything, since the mere
> existence of SAMBAR and an occasional mention on a newsgroup
> is enough to keep its aims fulfilled.
> 
> The group will have two minor aims, to be pursued concurrently
> with the SAMBAR:
> Irritating Desi Lame-brained Individuals (IDLI)
> Debunking Objectionable SAM Assertions (DOSA)
> 
> Occasionally a spot of Gloating over the Half-baked Elaborate
> Efforts of SAMOSAS will take place, but as we all know, GHEE
> can be fattening, and will be partaken of only in small 
> quantities. 
> 
> To start your SAMBAR membership off right, please send your
> subscription requests, change-of-address and complaints about 
> delivery to the MD or CEO of SAMOSA, who have been known to
> complain about the emptiness of their mailboxes.

   Very good Susan. This is why so many men are sexist.
From: jtembulk@cvbnet.prime.com (cvbnet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: (misleading) Indian Express Advertisement re: RJB
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:45:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cvbnetPr.4617
Distribution: world,local

From article <1993Jan21.170200.28849@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, by rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy):
> 
> In article <1jkoqdINNqii@pollux.usc.edu> brao@pollux.usc.edu (Bapa Rao) writes:
>
> 
>     Why. What is so ugly about it. Earlier, I had somewhat favorable opinion
>  about Pramath. Not now, after his commie connections are exposed. Well done
>  Mr. Shah.  Now, I really wonder whether these pseudo seculars are really
>  marxists in disguise who will sell their soul and country without compunction.
> 
>  Raja 

I am curious.  With the downfall of communism in Soviet Russia, and the
healthy distance between the Chinese communists amd the mainstream 
communist parties in India ( except perhaps the CPI(ML) ) who will these
( possible ) "marxists in disguise" "sell their soul and country without
compunction" to ?

Cheers.


Jawa



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