From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Subject: Re: Some notes from the Satanic Bible
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:27:06 GMT
Organization: Doc Porter's Thrills Show

In <4eWFIsK00Uh_81ObZY@andrew.cmu.edu> Raymond Craig Feeck <rf1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Um, Reuben, you seemed to have missed the point behind my statement
>about the motivations for rape.  Rape is not slavery to sexual desires,
>but rather an assertion of power over another.  In essence, its being
>the master of the earth and indulging in the power one has over another.
> Rapists are not compulsed to do anything.  That was the point of my
>original post.


I understood your point perfectly, but you may have missed mine.
I agree with you about rape and sex being seperate issues, but 
rape is in most cases a compulsion, NOT an indulgence. Ask any repeat
rapist if he was able to keep himself from raping. Most are compelled
by psychological problems. BUT, to *me* this is off the original issue
of why the _Satanic Bible_ and the Church Of Satan require one's
actions be law abiding. Actually, to be truly accurate here, the SB only
says that:

         "If you attempt to impose your sexual desires upon others who
         do not welcome your advances, you are infinging on their sexual
         freedom. Therefore, Satanism does NOT advocate rape, child
         molesting, sexual defilement of animals,
         or any other form of sexual activity which entails the 
         participation of those who are unwilling or whose innocence
         or naivete would allow them to be intimidated or misguided
         into doing something against their wishes."


Now, don't get me wrong, I understand your point about motivation for
rape, but I just don't see it as an issue governed by the same principle.
Satanism takes the stand in favor of sexual freedom, so how on earth
could we favor rape which limits and infringes upon people's sexual 
freedom?
 
>Secondly, why should bestiality be wrong.  Its a decision to control the
>world around you.  It may seem sick to some, but it is a choice to do
>what one pleases.  Isn't that merely indulging in a rather bizarre form
>of pleasure.  You haven't resolved what to me seems like a pretty big
>inconsistancy.  

Inconsistant only with what YOU have decided our philosophy is. Based on
my above points, I think it's clear that to engage in bestiality is
to limit the sexual freedom of the animal. 
 

>I hope you don't take all of this probing and nitpicking the wrong way. 
>I merely want to learn more about what you believe.  As was pointed out,
>I'm not very knowledgable about Satanism, but I'm curious.  I'm very
>interested in finding the truth about the world.  I'm searching through
>the world's religions to discover what really does exist.   Any help
>would be appreciated. 

I'd say stop looking to religion to explain the world to you. I came to
Satanism only after I'd already made up my OWN mind about how
the world works, and then I just found that Satanism made perfect
sense based on my beliefs.

>Oh, one last question.  Since Satanism really isn't the worship of a
>diety, but rather a system of self indulgence, how can it be considered
>a religion.  Isn't a religion onw which seeks to find God or the power
>behind the universe.  How does Satanism meet this criteria.  

No, a religion needent be dependant on belief in external deities. Our
position is that the dieties people worship are created in the minds of
people, so to worship a god is in actuality worship of the inventor of
that god. Why bother? Satanism isn't merely a "system of self-indulgence,"
but a religion complete with holidays, symbology, and ceremony.
If you read _The Satanic Bible_ you'll save yourself having to
ask me these questions. They're all answered quite explicitly
within.
 
>What are y'all's impressions of Jesus, Mohammed, and Confucious?

Jesus has a wicked jump shot, and Mohammed controls the ball
very well. I wouldn't put Confucious in the game unless he
was going in for Karl Marx, who has no business being in
professional basketball.
 

-r


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