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From: mmilin@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Marc Milin)
Subject: Re: 'Skins Offense loses the game
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:07:21 GMT

In article <Bx3vrx.2K3@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:

>If anyone thinks that Riggs is the answer to the current Redskins problem,
>I believe you are sadly missing the point.  First of all, Riggs has NO
>open field running skills; for every play that Byner and Ervins gained 4
>yards, Riggs would have gained 1.5 yards, plus he doesn't (can't?) block
>in the backfield.  Just watch Byner block a line-backer one-on-one sometime
>and you will realize why he is the starting back (and why we had so few sacks
>last year).  But no running back can do the job when the offensive line
>is stuggling due to injuries (do you think Detroit would do better with
>Riggs since Barry Sanders is stuggling too?  OF COURSE NOT!!!  Barry is
>also suffering from a patched up offensive line).
You hit the nail on the head there, it's exactly the fault of the offensive
line, we have lost too many from the line and now Mo Elowonibi went down last 
game also.  I think Byner is the best in the world, the idea of Riggs was kinda
funny though.  The running game just hasn't looked good.  Ervins was a delight
to watch last year but this year it's more of a what have you done for me 
lately in my oppinion.  He hasn't preformed well and i for one would love to
see Robert Green get a chance and see some carries next week, he looked 
impressive in the one game i saw im in and almost scored a touchdown.  Ervins
i believe is still good but you have to shake up the offense maybe it'll do 
something to have some fresh legs in there.


>Riggs is history!!!  Byner and Ervins are stars of today and tomorrow!!!
>Once we get Lachey back, get the offensive line to play a few games together
>and learn each others blocking habits (this is VERY important), and get
When can Lachey come back does anyone know?  How about Darrel?  Jeez i miss
Lachey...
>some kind of passing game (no comment...), you will see the running game
>return to Redskin excellence (with Byner and Ervins.  Period.)
>
well against seattle Rypien threw for something like 240 yards which is okay
i'd be in favor of possilby benching him if he has another not so great game
next week against K.C. but frankly i don't know what Conklin can do...
GO SKINS!



-- 
Marc C. Milin   
mmilin@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
Only GAMERS make it possible!
From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles #1 Quarterback
Keywords: Jimmy Mac or Randall?
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:15:57 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov12.152258.20719@b8.b8.ingr.com> daugherb@b8.b8.ingr.com (Bruce Daugherty) writes:
>In article <Nov.9.15.29.45.1992.13475@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, bstuart@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ben Stuart) writes:
>** I personally like this team a lot better with McMahon starting. This 
>** guy may not be the best physically capable qb on the team, but he is
>** a proven winner and leader. Kind of reminds me of when Snake played,
>** he wasn't one of the best stat. qb's but man could he get the most out
>** of his players. Another interesting question posed to me was do you
>** feel the big bucks has gone to Randall's head?
>**                          
>**          Actually I'm pulling for Dallas in the NFC

I disagree. If you have followed closely any of the franchise players
of any team in the NFL, the team tries to structure its offense/defense
around that player so that they can utilize his talents. The Eagles have
tried to make Cunningham a pocket passer, which he is not good at. McMahon
is a better pocket passer than cunningham. Considering the offensive line
the EAGLES have, it is better not to create a pocket passer under the
circumstances. If there is coverage on the play called, i think it is a good
idea to tell randall to run. He is the most athletic QB in the league. 

Philly needs to use his running ability, so that opposing defenses have 
another thing to worry about. But if Kotite still believes in what he said
in his press conference, that the offensive scheme will not change depending
on the QB, then i think it is time for the EAGLES to think about trading their
franchise player.

-Rajeev

GO CUNNINGHAM, SILENCE YOUR CRITICS ON SUNDAY.
GO E-A-G-L-E-S...
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Player of the Week Questions
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:43:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov05.211003.27720@bnr.ca> patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power) writes:
>|> >      I noticed that OT Eric Williams got NFC Offensive Player of
>|> >the Week this week. 
>   Actually, I found the answer to this:  Brad Benson NYG 1986
>                                          Jim Lachey  Wash 1991
>                                          Entire Chicage line 1990
In two of the four times and OL winning the award, isn't it ironic that
the OL shutdown a famous defensive end?

Brad Benson won it in week 14 of 1986 for shutting down Dexter
Manley. Eric Williams won it again for a good job against Reggie White.

Other than that, they were pretty anonymous offensive tackles, unlike the 
highly touted Lachey and the Chicago line. 

In other words, Dexter's fame won the award for Brad Benson, Reggie's
fame won the award for Eric Williams. I am sure these two OL have had
other games allowing 0 sack, i.e. statistically as good as the 
award-winning games, but who would have noticed?

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: How Do you figure (Re: Bills in 1st..suprise,surprise
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:47:16 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov6.170655.9790@clpd.kodak.com> hammond@stimpy.serum.kodak.com (Kevin Hammond (x37516)) writes:
>I wish some Bills fans would not woof so loudly all the time.  Most of us
>know that the Bills are a competent team, but by no means are a sure bet
>to win the division. 
>
>  Give the Dolphins some credit.  They have built a darned good team.  They
>have done it through the draft, trades (Smith for Humphrey), and free 
>agency.  The Bills, on the other hand, have chosen to basically stand pat.
>The only help that they have acquired in the past few years has been through
>the draft (Henry Jones, Phil Hansen) and their #1 pick from only a few 
>years ago was a huge mistake (J.D. Williams).  It only stands to reason, 
>then, that the Dolphins will catch the Bills.

I agree that the Bills will be in trouble in a few years if they don't
start doing something in trades and the drafts. You can balme Bill Polian
for not picking up good players.

>
>  Anyway, GO BILLS, but let's be a bit more realistic (and less obnoxious)
>regarding our posts.  

Yes, let's not lower ourselves to the level of some of the Miami fans (no
need to mention names, EVERYONE knows who I'm talking about).
From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: STEELERS trivia
Date: 10 Nov 92 06:11:26 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


If your just going to post/mail a lot of shit about not caring about the
STEELERS, just remember that I probably don't care about your team either, so
we're even.

Here's a little piece of trivia, in the form of a quiz.  It all centers around
the "Immaculate Reception".  Don't post your answers, send them to me.  I'll
let everyone know who got the best score, and who answered first etc.  Ok,
here goes.

1.  In what stadium did the "Immaculate Reception" take place?

2.  Who was the receiver?

3.  Who was the intended receiver?

4.  Who was the passer?

5.  What team were the STEELERS playing?

6.  What was the final score?

7.  What year did it take place?

8.  What was the importance of the game?  (Be specific)

9.  Who did the STEELERS play the following week?

10. What opposing player made it possible?

This is a pretty tough quiz, unless you have a few reference books around to
help.  First one to get all ten right wins a quarter and a bowl of soup, but
you have to come pick it up.  I would be real surprised to see anyone get #10,
but the others aren't too bad.
-- 


Tom Schmidlin       DEEP THOUGHTS: By Jack Handey - I wish a robot would
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU         get elected president.  That way, when he came
215-758-0875            to town, we could all take a shot at him and not
                        feel too bad.
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From: TCDEV009@ysub.ysu.edu
Subject: Re: Countdown to extinction (for Miami)
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:12:10 GMT

In article <BxIGEI.LIu@acsu.buffalo.edu>
kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Nov10.093357@IASTATE.EDU> rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes:
>>In article <BxI5y5.EEI@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
>>writes:
>>> Only 6 days until the big AFC East game Monday night. It's countdown to
>>> extinction from the division title for the fish. Oh, wait a minute. The
>>> Fins are good now. They beat the Dolts. Whoa! Stand back.
>>> Don't worry Miami, there's always next year.
>>
>>If your'e so confident that Miami is so terrible then why
>>do you characterize the game as being "big".  Anyway no matter
>>what the outcome of the game is, there will still be 6 games to go.
>>R Turner
>
>The game is big because who ever wins it will more than likely win the
>division title. One more thing, Miami is not so terrible, just over rated.
 
   I would just like to caution all you Buff fans who are woofing so loud
just because Buffalo squeaked by the last three games.  Two of the games were
against very weak teams(Jets and Pats).  The last one was against my team
(Steelers) who realistically are certainly not a power house.  They are a good
(not great yet) young team but my expectations are not too high.
   Anyway, you are all talking like the Monday night game against Miami is
already in the win column.  You better hope the Bills aren't entering this
game with the same attitude.  You'll be eating crow next week if the Fins
happen to win this big game!  I wouldn't take them lightly or that's what
will happen.
 
   Oh well, Go Steelers!
   Ray H.
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From: mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo)
Subject: I'm gonna rip Greg Gumble's head off!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:21:30 GMT

	AAAARRRRGGGGGG,  CBS is on my shit list.  CBS shows the first 
half of the Cowboy/Lions and some of the third quarter.  Then all of a
sudden they decide to switch over to the Giant/Packers game,  cause
the Cowboy's had their game wrapped up.  WHAT THE HELL!!  Hello!
The Giants killed the Packers & CBS doesn't mention the Cowboy/Loins game
at all.  I waited three years for the Cowboys to get really good, and they
switch over to a stupid sloppy blowout.   ARRRGGGGG.  What is the address 
for CBS's sports?  Or better yet, what is Greg's home phone?  
	If CBS is going to show a game, show it all the way through.  It is 
very frustrating to get into a game, and then wham-bam a different game.

							Dan.

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From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Indoor vs. Outdoor (was Re: WIZARD PREDICTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
    <Ueyp_Ei00WDK45moMA@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:23:30 GMT

In article <Ueyp_Ei00WDK45moMA@andrew.cmu.edu>, Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> Key Matchup -               Pittsburgh at Buffalo        Buffalo by 3
>>                     It sure is tough to win in Buffalo in sub-freezing
>> 		temps.  Pittsburgh in spot for big let down!
>
>No offense (and no flame) intended but just what the hell do you think
>the weather is like in Pittsburgh, eh? Take my word for it: it ain't
>toasty! :)

Is the Steelers home field indoors or outdoors?  Does anybody have a list of
who plays indoors and who plays outdoors?  This data should become more of a
factor as the weather gets colder.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: whitesel@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dan Whitesell).
Subject: Bengals beat Bears.  was (Re: BROWNS SUCK HARD!!)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:33:27 GMT

In article <92310.231326RK0VSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>I'm a diehard Bengal fan, and damn proud to admit it.  I've got a problem
       ^^^^^^^
The only way to be.  Fair weather fans need not apply!

>with all the damn milk-bone throwing Browns fans out there ( and you know
>who you are).  30-10.  I got hell from all the Browns fans here in Oxford,
>OH, but I stuck it out and we kicked some major ass.  30-10.
> 
>Let's talk about that goal-line stand and how badly Kevin Mack bites.
>Well, simply put, Kevin Mack bites.  That's pretty much all I can say.
>I think that the Bengals will turn their season around, starting by beating
>the living shit out of the lowly Bears.  My pick is 45-3.
> 

The new simpler offense will alow inexperinced recivers to help.  Bengals can 
run.  Bears D is old.  Harbaugh is eratic passer and the only way to burn
the Bengal D is the pass.  My pick Bengals 36-34 fair weather, or bad
weather Bengals 13-10 edge Breach.  Also Harbaugh will have bad day sacked
3 times.

>Any other Bengal fans out there who share my views?  I could also accept
>comments (I guess) from the residents of Mistake On The Lake, USA.
> 
>--------
>Ryan "Boomer" Kearns


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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: New Orleans question
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:31:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BxHJCx.A2n
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

OOOPS!!!. 
Sorry, the Saints/9ers game at Candlestick should be the NFC-West
decider and not the AFC-west.  Sorry for the typo.


S.H
AND I WILL FOREVER BLEED PURPLE!
From: bell@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: SF-49ers... Fumble Return
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:19:46 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Nov4.213317.23657@cci632.cci.com>, jan@cci632.cci.com (John Nicowski) writes:
> In article <1d695vINNkli@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov3.030232.4577@sequent.com>,
>>bud@sequent.com (Pat Hauke) writes:
>>>OK you Fantasy Football Fans!
>>>
>>>How do you score the fumble return by Mike Sherrard. It was actually a strip
>>>job, but it goes down as a fumble.
>>>
>>>Was this the defense that scored or was it the offense?
>>>
>>>You make the call.
>>Offense, definitely.  Possession isn't signalled until after the ref
>>blows the whistle.
>>
>>Mike
> 
> I disagree, as did our league after a discussion (BTW - the outcome of
> a game would hinge on the interpretation).
> 
> We decided that since the ball had been fumbled by the 49ers and recovered
> by a Phoenix player, a change of possession had occurred, meaning that
> Sherrard was effectively a defender at the time (his team not in possession
> of the football), and the score was awarded to the SF defense.  Had the
> ball been retreived by Sherrard directly after the fumble, with no
> Phoenix player taking possession of it, it would have been a rushing TD for
> Sherrard, being a continuous offensive effort.  An interesting play for 
> fantasy discussion at any rate.

  By the same token, a change of possesion occurred when Sherrard stripped
the ball.  By your logic Sherrard would now be effectively on the offense
now and therefore the offense scored the TD.  Just trying to point out that
possible flaws in your logic.
  The best waay is to go with the NFL and say the offense scored the TD since
Sherrard is on the offense.  I think since the outcome of the game depended on
the interpretation the discussion was tainted by this knowledge.  People would
go for certain interpretations depending on who they wanted to win. Maybe you
could all be totally unbiased in this situation but I doubt it. :-)
   Just my .02cents worth.

		Shane L. Bell

> 
> Whatever.
> 
> John.
> 
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From: keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Subject: coaching changes?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:35:33 GMT
Organization: work
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]



	Looks like it's late enough in the season to start speculating
	on the guys that are going to find themselves in different jobs
	in the near future. Offhand, I'd say some obvious choices are:
	
	Jerry Glanville
	Tom Flores
	Dick Mc Phersen(sp?)(New England)
	Joe Bugel
	
	Strong possibilities:

	Art Shell
	Dan Reeves
	Mike Ditka
	Jack Pardee
	Bruce Coslet


	Any others?

	-keith
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Roby Is BACK!!!
Keywords: Dolphins
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:14:48 GMT

t_trunc@chips.bash.edu (Tursiops Truncatus) writes:
>The MIGHTY MIAMI DOLPHINS announced yesterday that one of the best punters 
>in the game was back in the lineup and ready for action!

Is this a woof or an anti-woof?  Really hard to call.

I'd rather not have Miami punt at all.  Play the game the way God
intended it to be played -- FOUR FREAKIN' DOWNS.

While I'm here.  Curtis noted that Bryan Cox is going to set a team
record for sacks in a season.  Translation: The league started keeping
sack stats in 1982 and ever since then we didn't have a dominating
defense (well, except the Killer B's.)

Curtis also noted that Marino is en route to another 4000 yard season.
Translation: The running game is still a wishful thought and the Fins
spend too much time coming from behind.

Obscure Fact Of The Week:  In two games in the state of Florida, the
Colts scored 55 points.  In their six remaining games, they scored 44.


--Gidi	(go steve emtman)


 
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Importance of a powerful running game
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:26:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.101628.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>I would rate the Bronco super bowl teams as having a weak rushing game.
>All they had was Elway, the Three Amigos, and luck (Browns fans know
>this).

Well, the Broncos of 1989 had Bobby Humphries, a 1000-yard rusher. Maybe
Humphries is not the power back, a la Okoye, Riggins, etc. that the Donkeys
is not a power running team.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Americas Team
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:00:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: devnull.2791
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <1992Nov5.004252.27690@netcom.com> xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
>Well, the Cowpokes never made a big deal about denying the label.  That
>might have done a lot to ease offended attitudes around the nation.

JESUS CHRIST!  This is football!  If you want to get all touchy-feely,
pouting lips "my feelings are hurt" sort of stuff, go play croquet, or
baseball, or something.

Daniel Welch
From: cfh@cbnews.cb.att.com (chuck.himmelspach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Boomer is Ultimate Team Player.........NOT!
Keywords: Only concerned about #1
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:26:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

The local newspaper this morning said that Boomer doesn't want to be
involved in a Cincinnati rebuilding effort. He doesn't want to stick
around to mentor any up and coming QB (read David Klingler(sp?)). I've
read lots of quotes from Boomer during his career at Cincy and he's always
struck me as one selfish, whining (only looking out for #1, baby) player. 
I can't help but wonder how his latest comments will affect his teammates' 
performance in support of him.

Well, if Boomer would become available, I'm sure old Wicky Wacky down in
Tampa would want him.

Comments?

Der Himmel
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From: wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel)
Subject: Re: POOL: Did I Miss It
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:35:23 GMT

Yeah, 
   I must have missed em too, or something.  If I did, please
send me a copy too.

Thanx
Bill
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From: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall)
Subject: 49ers/Falcons
Reply-To: marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:16:06 GMT

OK, now we've *ALMOST* forgotten the Hail Mary game from last year (but
not quite). The 49ers followed up their 56-17 demolition of the Falcons
three weeks ago with a 41-3 walloping on Monday Night Football. The
stats for the game are very surprising. Both teams accumulated about
300 yards in offense, and both teams had about the same number of
first downs. But one stat stands out : five turnovers for the Falcons
and none for the 49ers. On top of that, the 49ers boxed around about
four additional sure interceptions. The best turnover of all, though,
was when Neion-Deion-Prime-Time fumbled the kickoff, recovered it,
started upfield, fumbled it again, and the 49ers recoverd. Oh, that
was fun!

The ball really bounced the 49ers' way tonight. There were two tipped
balls that turned into interceptions. Also, the 49ers fumbled several
times, but managed to recover. The play that proved that the 49ers were
blessed was a punt by Klaus Wilmsmeyer. The snap bounced to his right
but came right to him; he barely managed to get the kick off, and it
bounced right at the sidelines. But instead of going out of bounds, it
bounced towards the goal line and went out of bounds at the 12.

Don Griffin had a great game, with an interception, several knockdowns,
and a lot of good tackles.

Jerry Rice caught TD pass #98, but other than that he was quiet.

Mike Cofer was two for two on field goal attempts. He is now 11-16
on the year. He deserves a lot of credit for withstanding the abuse
he suffered earlier this year.

Strange game for Young. He was 12-18 for only 143 yards, but he had
three TD passes. Also, he was stuffed almost every time he tried to run
the ball.

I may be wrong on this, but I don't think the 49ers were penalized a
single time in the game. In any case, they were penalized very infrequently,
which is a big plus.

Oh, and the "California Trophy" was nowhere to be found.

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