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From: yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Yongyuth Pahirah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: (none)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:58:02 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

CCC welcome asset declaration to public.

The Nation Oct 4 edition

  COUNTER Corruption Commission (CCC) chairman Sak Sanongchart yesterday said
  he welcomed the new government's decision to require all Cabinet members to
  declare their assets and have them audited by the commission every year.

  Sak said that although declaring ones assets was the duty of every Cabinet
  minister some previous governments had neglected to make it obligatory for
  its Cabinet members to submit their assets statements to the CCC.

  ``Members of all previous Cabinets have failed to submit their assets
  declarations to the CCC 30 days before they left office as required by
  existing Cabinet resolutions on assets declarations,'' the anti-corruption
  chief said.

  Sak said most Cabinet ministers had submitted their assets statements after
  they had already left office, which prevented the CCC from investigating
  their wealth because the commission was not empowered to look into private
  individuals' assets.

  ``The proposed royal decree to require Cabinet members to declare their
  assets is a good idea because it would make declaring assets compulsory by
  law,'' Sak said.

  On the Palang Dharma Party's offer to make public the assets statements of
  its 11 Cabinet members, Sak said the party could do that on its own. But he
  said the CCC was not empowered to publicize assets declarations submitted to
  it by Cabinet members.

  At present, apart from Cabinet ministers, 11,000 other holders of government
  office are required by law to declare their assets upon assuming and when
  leaving office. These government officials are those in positions where the
  potential for abuse of authority and corruption is high, according to Sak.

  The CCC chairman said the commission wanted to amend the existing
  anti-corruption laws to require assets declarations of middle-ranking police
  officers from the rank of police major colonel upward because their
  positions were easy to abuse.

  On Saturday, Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai announced that the Cabinet decided
  to ask the CCC to recommend ways to deter Cabinet members from getting
  involved in corruption. The recommendations will be used to make appropriate
  changes to existing laws and regulations.

  He said all Cabinet members would be required to declare their assets within
  15 days of being sworn in before HM the King.

  A 1991 Cabinet resolution requests Cabinet members to submit assets
  statements to the CCC upon assuming and leaving office. But it is not
  compulsory.

  The prime minister said the Cabinet had asked the CCC to find more efficient
  ways to monitor the wealth of Cabinet ministers and to recommend ways of
  increasing its power to investigate suspected corrupt Cabinet members. He
  also suggested that the CCC devise measures to prevent the transfer of
  ill-gotten wealth to third parties.

  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul)
Subject: Re: Decentralization = promoting local mafia
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 05:07:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.033624.9170@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> thanon@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Thanachart Numnonda) writes:
>Although village Headers and Kamnans are elected by people, but they stay
>in the positions until retirement.

Right.  They are already local mafias.  Frequent elections will not only
educate people about democracy but also give them a chance to kick some
mafias out off the Village Header or Kamnan positions (even though
it is just a very slim chance).  

>What's wrong if people in Suphan Buri will elect Mr.B as their
>governor?  If he corrupt, he will bring money away from Suphan Buri.
>But he is now an elected MP. If he corrupt in the cabinet and bring
>money back to Suphan, people in Suphan Buri will learn nothing from that.

What an excellent idea!  The best way to teach people how the choice made
in a election can affect their lifes is to bring the problems (caused by
the bad people they elected) closer to them.  Imagine, Mr.B as Suphan Buri
governor, Mr.C as Nakornrachasima governor, Mr.P for Sri Saket, Mr.M for
Ayuthaya.  (These B,C,P,M are just variables or fictional characters. 
No intention to refer to any MP who denied to swear not to corrupt or buy
votes.)  I believe it won't take long for the local people to realize
how these vampires quickly suck the money (which they spent to buy votes) back.

However, there is one big problem for having local governments.  To run 
successfully, each local government must have their own way of collecting 
taxes (and probably set up their own tax rate).  It should reflect and can be 
adjust to fit the local economy.  Without this, butget allocation for provinces
will be battle ground every year and perhaps open an easier way to corrupt.
Without local taxes, people will not feel the effect of corruption. 
It also provides a way for the local people to messure the performance of
a governor. 

Another question is to what extent a governor has the authority.  Do
the local police, fire department, ... report to the governor?  Who funds
the schools? 

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Some big cities like Chicago were sometimes run by a mafia governor.
From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Khun Sripen's network class restrictions
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:29:11 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <30SEP199210473697@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>
>I have jut received an email from Khun Sripen informing me that not only should
>farang not be allowed to post to discussions between Thais in this group, but
>also I am too low class to be on this network!
>
I must say I disagree, but then I am a farang.  Of course, I probably should
not point out that Khun Sripen is attending a farang university and using a
farang computer on an international network which she suggests that farangs
should not use to participate in a newsgroup about Thailand.  How are we
farangs to educate ourselves about Thailand if we don't participate in
discussions with Thai's?  I am not trying to be rude, only presenting the
facts of newsgroups as they presently exist.  If Khun Sripen would like a
newsgroup where farangs cannot participate, I will be happy to tell her how
to attempt to form a moderated newsgroup that she can then control.  Or,
perhaps a mailing list might be more appropriate.  In any event, I will be
happy to be of assistance, if wanted, or to suggest Thais who are very
knowledgeable about such matters if farang help is not wanted.

[ rest of diatribe deleted ]

>PS.  I've had enough of this exchange with Sripen, and now that my lecturing
>has started I can't be bothered to continue it anymore.

I too have had enough (quite a while back, actually).  One of the things I
so admired about this newsgroup was the lack of flaming attacks and how quickly
any pointless bickering died out.  I hope things will return to normal soon.

John Cronin
From: sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Q&A
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:04:13 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from mail: 6-Oct-92  by ACHAKULWISUT@MISVAX.MIS. 
> Sawaddee Ka Khun Schitt
> My name is Angsana. I am currently in Master degree program in MIS at 
> University of Arizona, Tucson. I have read the articles you have posted a 
> while ago. It interests me a lot 'cause I am doing a research about 
> Information Technology in Thailand. I know you may think what such a broad 
> topic. I don't want to specify to too detailed topic 'cause I am not sure I 
> can get any information in that particular area or not. First, I am thinking 
> about doing something called Unbalance in Information Technology between 
> public and private sectors in Thailand.
> I think you have some sort of information from TDRI in this area. Could you 
> please send something to me via e-mail? Do you have any idea who I can 
> contact with in Thailand having this sort of information.
> Thank you in advance. I really appreciate your help.


Sawatdee Krub Khun Angsana,

    You can contact these people:

        Dr. Pairash Thajchayapong    Director
        Dr. Krissanapong Kiratikorn

            National Electronics and Computer Technology Center(NECTEC)
            Ministry of Science, Technology and environment
            Rama VI Rd, Bangkok 10400 Thailand

        Dr.Chatri Sripaipan

            Thailand Development Research Institute(TDRI)
            Asoke Tower, Asoke Rd
            Bangkok, Thailand

    Sth. related to the topic you request, will appear in my later
posts.  You may also want to ask Khun Trin(trin@ipied.tu.ac.TH), Dr.
Thaweesak (htk@munnari.oz.au), Dr. Yunyong (his e-mail address is in
eariler posts) who actively involve in the network system in Thailand. 
             
    Thank you for your interest in our S&TD.

Regards,
Schitt
From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Money
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:40:09 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct2.040446.1406@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul) writes:
->
->A friend of mine once said, 
->
->     "Money is not everything.  Money is the ONLY thing."

Was he happy?  Did he have enough money?  My experience is that money is
not the source of happiness, and that those who believe money is the only
thing never have enough of it to be satisfied.

John Cronin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Test Anonymous
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 23:57:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.483322.674@fiber36.tie.hid.edu> Shadow@expect.hid.edu (LetsSee IfItWorks) writes:
>Let's
>See
>If
>It
>Works
>This Time.

Peerasak Arunsakul,

Unforunately you give yourself away 8).  IMHO anonymous
posting is not very interesting. Good try 8)
From: yongyuth@ipied.tu.ac.TH (Yongyuth Pahirah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Anand will return to private sector
Date: 5 Oct 1992 12:57:19 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

post-thai
 
Anand will return to private sector.
 
The Nation Oct 2 edition
 
  FORMER prime minister Anand Panyarachun, who left office yesterday, said he
  would return to work at the Saha Union Co.
 
  ``After stepping down from the post of premier, I will have a rest,'' Anand
  said. ``I still do not know what to do next. I have scarcely laid any plans
  in my life. I will become an employee of Saha Union Company again, anyway.''
 
  He declined to compare his administration with the new Chuan Cabinet, saying
  administrations should compete with one another only in their achievements
  and not in quarrelling.
 
  Anand brushed aside a question about whether another ``political accident''
  might see him become prime minister for the third time, saying the new
  government has been formed and taken an oath of office before His Majesty
  the King.
 
  ``From now on it is the duty of the Thais and MPs to help the government to
  work for the country's prosperity,'' he said.
 
  The first Anand administration, formed after the Feb 23 coup last year,
  lasted 13 months while his second government, installed after the bloody May
  crisis, lasted for three months and two weeks.
 
  Asked if he would write his autobiography, Anand said he had never had such
  an idea because he would be unable to refrain from criticizing other people
  which was unacceptable to Thais.
 
  ``Most Thais are narrow-minded. I've got quite different habits from the
  Thais in general,'' he said.
 
  Anand said he did not care about any accusations against him because they
  were ``a waste of time''.
 
  ``If we know there is dung there, we should avoid stepping on it. What's the
  point in stepping on it?'' he said.
 
  A group of MPs has asked the Counter Corruption Commission to investigate
  what it describes as ``irregularities'' in the Anand administration's
  handling of the 3-million-line telephone expansion projects, the laying of
  underwater cable and contractual changes with major oil distributors.
 
  Anand said he bade farewell to HM the King before the King left for Taksin
  Rajanives Palace in Narathiwat province recently.
 
  
 
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: pxu8785@usl.edu (Uthayopas Putchong)
Subject: Re: Test Anonymous
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:19:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.483322.674@fiber36.tie.hid.edu> Shadow@expect.hid.edu (LetsSee IfItWorks) writes:
>Let's
>See
>If
>It
>Works
>This Time.
>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I think that it is NOT POLITE to use the fake name to post the NEWS in this
network. If you want to give some opinion, it's great. Please use your real
name to do so.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: (sct mail list) Email distribution of soc.culture.thai
Keywords: email, distribution, help
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:49:07 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hi,

I used to have a service whereby I distributed this newsgroup by email.
I discontinued the service about 8 months ago for a variety of reasons.
One of these reasons is a request by munnari.oz.au to cease sending long
messages into Thailand through them, as it costs too much.  So, I am looking
for help with the following problems:

	1) What gateways are currently available into Thailand?

	2) Is there anybody inside Thailand to whom I can send one copy
	   of a day's postings, so that they can then forward it to those
	   who want it in Thailand?  I am willing to work with anyone -
	   Unix uucp, Internet, Fidonet, whatever?  What I don't know I
	   will learn, and I am willing to provide a certain amount of
	   technical support.  I am very familiar with Unix, particularly
	   Sun workstations, and I used to be familiar with MS-DOS and
	   could no doubt pick up where I left off if necessary.

The service is not available yet, it should be in a week or so.  I have
classes and a job I must work at, but I should still be able to make time
for this.  In any event, if you are interested in being included in the
mailing list, send me email to one of the following addresses - (they
all end up in the same place).  Please include "sct mail list" in the
subject, and "add" in the message somewhere.

Internet: gt4458c@prism.gatech.edu
BITNET  : gt4458c%prism.gatech.edu@gitvm1.BITNET
UUCP    : {decvax,ncar,purdue,rutgers,hplabs,allegra}!gatech!hydra!gt4458c 


The UUCP address should be correct but I have heard of it bouncing.  If I
find a better one, I will post it here.

The list will only be distributing the articles found in this newsgroup,
so if you have a good news source you probably won't need the mailing list.
It is primarily intended for those who don't have reliable access to news
but do have access to email of whatever form.  I can handle BITNET, UUCP,
and Internet addresses, as well as any address that has gateways through
one of those (such as CompuServe, MCI mail, or FidoNet).

John Cronin
From: arunsaku@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Peerasak Arunsakul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Test
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:40:58 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
>Unforunately you give yourself away 8).  IMHO anonymous
>posting is not very interesting. Good try 8)

Still trying and still interesting.  Of course, somewhere else for a while.
Anonymous catching is more fun, then?  :)
From: bunt0003@student.tc.umn.EDU (Monthian Buntan-1)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: About emailing and networking with Thai friends
Date: 5 Oct 1992 15:52:16 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

Greeting to all friends:

I'm very delighted to find out that we Thai students who live abroad can
now talk to friends at home.  I still don't quite understand how ThaiSarn
system works.  Do you have any general mailing list that I may have access
to?  I myself would like to correspond with anybody in Thailand through
email.  Also I'm interested to find out if there is any blind user at
ThaiSarn or some other Thai networking system.

Nice to talk to you all.

Thian

PS:  Here is my email address.
bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Chuan pop prachachon
Date: 4 Oct 92 08:38:25 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>In article <1992Oct2.221838.13144@news2.cis.umn.edu>, bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu ()            writes...
>> 
>At the risk of being shot down for saying anything on this group, as I
>usually am, I agree it would be a good idea.  Bet he wouldn't agree
>to it, unless questions were monitored beforehand.  The other problem
>is that the people with real serious problems do not have access to
>private telephones and would be afraid of recriminations if they aired
>their problems.

In fact, Chuan during pre-election period was on air in a Larry-King Live
liked program. 

>The inference in your mail is that the government are out of touch with
>ordinary people.  This is true to a certain extent in my country too.  But
>it happens because the government WANT it to be that way - after all, if they
>want to meet ordinary people there is nothing to prevent them from doing so,
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>it doesn't need a radio show for that.  The problem for ministers in meeting
>real people is that if they're any good at their jobs then they feel
>responsible and guilty when they have to listen to the problems of others,
>and if they're like most politicians in Thailand they would rather not
>have to hear about such problems.

>Laurence

Now there is a new observation about politics. Many political scientists have
talked about what they call "corporatism" which characterizes many countries'
politics. The main of idea of such notion is that the government is naturally
remote from the ordinary people. It is closer to corporate groups, particularly
merchants (industrilists/businessman). Vietnam War was maintained by the 
military industrial complex. Gulf War was to protect the interests of the
big US oil companies plus those of Israel. Otherwise, the US government should
have intervened when the then USSR invaded Afakanistan (sp?), or when 
China invaded Mongkolia, or when Vietnam sent troops to Cambodia. Even in 
the US, a supposedly most democratic country, the government is distant from
the American ordinary people. It is big corporate actors that play crucial 
roles in the American political stage. 

Samart

the name of
From: charoe@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Young Thias do not Wai any
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:24:48 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University


In article <28SEP92.19034437@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
> I notice that now a day, young generation of Thais, say those with the age
> lower than 30, are reluctance to "wai" any longer.  I have experienced this
> very often.  Wai is a polite way to respect olders, now I am afraid that it
> is likely to disappear from our Thai society.
> 
>         Bunlur

I agree with you.  But I'd like to clear your bad impression about this
notion.  Although Thai young people seldom Wai to an older person, when they
do they are really respect the person.  Wai from Thai people carry a real
respectfulness.

By the way I'm older than 30 years. :))

Charlie Charoenwong
From: yongyuth@munnari.oz.AU (Yongyuth Pahirah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Chuan govt warned to be aware of labour strife
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:02:33 GMT
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au


Chuan Govt Warned to be aware of labour stife
 
 
The Nation Sunday Sept 27 edition
 
A LABOUR leader and a senior government official yesterday said they expected
an intense struggle would occur over labour problems involving private workers
during the term of the new government.
 
  The workers' efforts to secure better employment conditions have been
  contained since the military coup in February last year.
 
  After the elected government of Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai is established,
  the workers would likely step up their fight for improved conditions, said
  Panit Charoenpao of the Thai Trade Union Congress.
 
  Existing labour problems could spark political turmoils if the new
  government would not find quick solutions or pay more attention to the
  workers' trouble, he said.
 
  Deputy director general of the Labour Welfare and Protection Department,
  Vichitra Panthum, said the labour situation after the formation of the Chuan
  government would likely be similar to that after the pro-democracy uprising
  in October 1973 when there were intensive fights for workers' better
  benefit.
 
  The obvious difference is that labour leaders now are stronger and better
  educated, she said.
 
  The two were speaking to a seminar entitled ``Labour Situation after the
  Election'' at the Grand Hyatt Erawan Hotel in the Rajprasong area yesterday.
 
  Panit said in his opinion, the Chuan government is very unstable and is an
  administration in the dream rather than a practical government.
 
  The labour leader added that he did not expect the new government to work
  effectively in solving major problems of the country.
 
  Vice president of the Employers' Association, Sopon Vichitkorn, said in the
  same seminar that he expected the new interior minister, who was tipped to
  be New Aspiration Party leader Gen Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, to make use of his
  post in boosting his party's popularity among workers.
 
  Sopon said he was confident in the efficiency of the Chuan government but
  was concerned that it could face difficulty handling labour issues since
  some MPs who have close relations with labour groups are in the opposition
  bloc.