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From: rex@eng.umd.edu (Rex Root)
Subject: Re: Heard an ELT - any info?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:30:32 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <74414@apple.apple.COM> stadler@Apple.COM (Andy Stadler) writes:

>                 we saw a bumper sticker that said "have you checked 121.5
>lately?"  



    	Where can I get one of these bumper stickers?


                                        ...  Rex  ...
              
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From: ChrisF@mitre.org (H. Christian Floyd)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Places to fly in MA area.
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:27:49 GMT
Distribution: rec.aviation.misc
Organization: MITRE Corporation

In article <1992Nov19.184427.27037@nlm.nih.gov> masys@nlm.nih.gov (Dr. Daniel R. Masys) writes:

>Nantucket MA - a mile or so to town, but the shoulders of the roads are
>              fine for hoofing it.

It's really more like 3 or 4 miles, so I recommend an immediately available 
taxi to town for a flat rate of $6 (July 92).  The whaling museum ($3) right 
by the ferry dock is one of the more remarkable historical museums in New 
England.  Open year-round, but limited winter hours.

Chris Floyd
From: soccer@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (clyde.a.hollister)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: For Sale: Telex Pro-Air 2000E headset
Summary: Trouble sending Jim Wang E-mail
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:52:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <JIM.92Nov16160542@fjolsvid.css.gov>, jim@fjolsvid.css.gov (Jim Wang) writes:
> For sale:
> 
> Telex Pro-Air 2000E headset, very slightly used (1.8 hrs) with
> original box and unfilled warranty card.  It's my second backup
> headset, selling to partially justify upgrading to some sort of
> ANR.  Features: electret mic, 24 dB NRR, very adjustable mic and quite
> comfortable earcups.  Adjustable clamping pressure, separate volume
> controls on each ear.  Asking $150 or best offer.
> 
> Jim
> (jim@fjolsvid.css.gov)
> 619 458-2717
> (San Diego area)


Jim, I'm having trouble sending you email. Hope to get it done 
tomorrow. Clyde A. Hollister
          @ AT&T 708 979-5487
From: rlarsen@bnr.ca (Richard Larsen P220)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: re: air sickness
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:15:56 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP

If all else failes try eating some ginger. Supposidly it relieves 
motion sickness.
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: jkf@Franz.COM (Sean Foderaro)
Subject: Tracy id change
Organization: Franz Inc., Berkeley, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:45:44 GMT

  It appears that Tracy airport has changed its id from o36 to tcy.  Does 
anyone know the story behind this?  Are they thinking of attracting commercial 
flights or expanding the place?  I know that there was talk recently about 
closing down the place to make way for more housing development
and moving airport operations to New Jerusalem.

-sean


Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: tel@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.lester)
Subject: Re: Taildragger Tail Low Takeoffs
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:21:42 GMT

In article <7smqagh@quantum.on.ca> aboyd@quantum.on.ca (Andrew Boyd) writes:
>
>Do you have a fixed pitch prop & a really teeny tiny rudder
>on your sonerai?

	Yes!

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From: chem4-aa@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lonnie C. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc,rec.aviation.student
Subject: Re: DUATS NOTAM limitations
Date: 21 Nov 1992 20:54:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: NOTAM, DUAT

In article <1992Nov20.020053.17047@pony.Ingres.COM> kerry@Ingres.COM (Kerry Kurasaki) writes:
...
>NOTAMS fall into that category of "all information available" required
>during preflight action.
...
Never thought about it before, but since this is true, why does the FAA play
cat and mouse with us, and make us beg for the Class II Notams.  The class
II Notams aren't THAT big.  Why can't they be on-line? (_and_ published)

I already know that part of the reason is that the printed Class II Notams
should be available to the pilot, whereas the unpublished Notams are not.
But, let's face it, there is a large segment of the pilot community for
whom the subscription price of $62.00/year (? more now, I think) is
perceived, justifiably or not, to be too much.

Lonnie
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: geoff@peck.com (Geoff Peck)
Subject: Re: Videos on aircraft icing?
Organization: Geoffrey G. Peck, Consultant, San Jose CA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:39:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.041757.3505@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
renters@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Martin Renters) writes:
> Does anyone know of any videos on aricraft icing/deicing which would be
> suitable for a ground school course?

The AOPA Air Safety Foundation produced a video on Aircraft Icing a few
years ago under contract to the FAA.  You can obtain it directly from
them (1-800-638-3101) or as part of the Jeppesen FlighTime video
series.

Other titles in the AOPA ASF series include:
    Aircraft Flight-Line Service
    Airspace Reclassification / Special Use Airspace
    Aviation Weather Theory
    Basic Aviation Weather
    Basic Fuel Management
    Flight Operations in the National Airspace System
    The Flight Review
    Midair Collision Avoidance
    Mountain Flying
    Pilot Operations at Nontowered Airports
    Stall/Spin: Classic Facts and Myths
    The Pilot's Weather Series:
	Weather, Flight Planning & the PIlot
	Go/No-Go Weather Decisions
	Evaluating In-Flight Weather

						Geoff
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: girling@cs.sfu.ca (Doug Girling)
Subject: Re: HangAr, durnit, HANGAR!!
Keywords: Stearman
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:04:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.210910.13424@umbc3.umbc.edu> robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD)) writes:
>I really never thought of myself as one of those nit-picking sorts, but
	[...]
>
>You don't HANG an airplane in a HANGAR.
>
>			Harrumpph,	
>
>					Bill
>

Not really a flame (more of BIC lighter really)... 

As Neddy Seagoon pointed out in the Goon Show, of course you want a hangar
the airplanes will get wrinkled if you hang them on a hook :-)

(Ever-so-slightly-more-seriously though) You may not hang an airplane in a
hangar, but you *do* hang dirigibles in a hangar (possibly the origin of
the term).  In particular, rigid airships are constructed by hanging the
circular ribs from the hangar ceiling, then adding the intercostals between
them.  Similarly, when being serviced or mothballed, the dirigible is
walked into the hangar and re-hung before venting the lifting gas.  (See:
"Slide Rule" by Nevil Shute, or "Airshipwreck" by Len Deighton).

(Just my own opinion of course)
Doug
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: BCLEWIS@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Brian Lewis)
Subject: Re: logging solo and ground t
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:35:19 GMT

In article <1e9brbINNs9g@topaz.bds.com>
ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie) writes:
 
>
>But if the instructor also holds Ground Instructor certificate than he can do
>ground as part of ground and I don't think the part on ground instructors requires logging the time in either the instructors or the students log
>book.
 
It's useful for a Ground Instructor to log the time, for proving currency
under Part 143 (in case anybody ever checks).
 
BL
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: medin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)
Subject: Re: Taildragger Tail Low Takeoffs
Reply-To: medin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:59:35 GMT

In article <7smqagh@quantum.on.ca>, aboyd@quantum.on.ca (Andrew Boyd) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov19.160934.24091@cbnews.cb.att.com> 
|> tel@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.lester) writes:
|> >	.... but I know about my Sonerai.
|> >	The rudder is not really effective at low speed.  So i have
|> >	to keep the tail down until just about at takeoff speed.
|> >	The transition from tail down to tail up is somewhat touchy
|> >	because of the engine torque and short coupling. So as soon
|> >	as the tail lifts, you have to put in rudder to compensate for 
|> >	torque.  Do this too soon, you end up turning off the runway. 
|> >	You can just keep the tail down and avoid all the hassle.
|> 
|> Weird.  In my maule, right after I add full power (210 HP), I
|> immediately push on the column to get the tail up asap.  It makes
|> it much easier to see over the nose.
|> 
|> At least with a C/S prop, I've got an instant 2800 RPM's worth
|> of slipstream blowing over the tail, which gives me pretty well
|> instant rudder response.  My a/c is reasonably short-coupled
|> and it's no hassle to keep straight.
|> 
|> I fly a pitts is the same way - power on, get the tail up so
|> you can see where the heck you are going.  I remember seeing a
|> really hot pitts pilot that slow taxiied & turned (with one
|> wheel locked) in a level attitude - he kept the tail up the
|> whole time with forward stick, balancing power & brakes.

I was taught to fly a Champ the same way, lowering the nose a bit
as soon as elevator was effective. The instant that power (all 60 HP)
was applied, the rudder was effective enough to lift the tailwheel off
the ground. This was for soft field and regular takeoffs.

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From: ron@topaz.bds.com (Ron Natalie)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Night Search
Date: 18 Nov 1992 14:35:55 GMT
Organization: BDS Systems
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.bds.com

> I've been doing the same.  However, I get mixed results when reporting
> an ELT transmission.  About a year ago, I gave a report to Chicago
> Center and they were wholly uninterested: they didn't even bother to
> acknowledge the transmissions (and I was on an IFR flight plan).

This is unconsionable.   I wish you had persued this with the FAA.

-Ron
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From: jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc,rec.photo
Subject: Re: Air sickness question
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:15:01
Organization: I would rather be windsurfing.
	<1992Nov16.064840.24790@peck.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com
In-reply-to: geoff@peck.com's message of Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:48:40 GMT

> If you do try drugs, try Bonine, which will probably
>     have less of a sleep-inducing effect than Dramamine. 

With Dramamine I'm sleepy and feel like throwing up.  With Bonine I'm
more awake nad feel like throwing up.  Neither works particularly well
for me.  I've heard the prescription patches work quite well, but our
insurance here at work is so horrendous, its less hassle to just get
sick.
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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: aerial snooping, revisited
Keywords: lawyer bashing
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:58:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.194806.17249@selway.umt.edu> cap@selway.umt.edu (Charles A. Smith) writes:
>
>What nonsense!  Another brain-dead lawyer, with a frivolous argument, wasting
>taxpayer money.  Oh, well.

Go back to Nazi Germany.  It is about time people started fighting the 
abuse of the 4th ammendment in the name of the war on drugs.  I guess you
think it is perferctly alright for police to burst into people's houses
in the hope of finding some drugs so that they can confiscate the property
without any trial, and shoot the homeowner dead, so they can keep a third
of the property.  As a foreigner I thought that the US Bill of Rights was
wonderful document until I realised it was there to broken, and the purpose
of the supreme court was to put a fascist spin so that they could justify
the most flagrent abuses of that document.  I suppose you think that mandatory
life imprisonment for life (i.e. no parole) for possession of cocaine is
not cruel and unusual punishment when the average murderer serves about
8 years!!!  


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+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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From: davehyde@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Exceed Vne or max G's first?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 08:41:09 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In article <LHE.92Nov13161647@yang.sics.se> Lars-Henrik Eriksson
<lhe@sics.se>
writes:

>Vne is determined by two things: flutter and risk of overstressing the
>airframe. The first of these depends on true airspeed, the second on
>indicated airspeed.

1)  Both are really dependant on equivalent airspeed, aren't they?

2)  Risk of overstressing (read: over-g) is really a maneuvering speed issue.
You can "safely" go beyond this.  The military refers to this as "corner
speed", or the minimum speed at which you can pull to the g-limit before
stalling.  You can fly faster, just be aware of where you are.

3)  Vne can be determined by any number of things.  Examples:  Flutter
(discussed), leading edge collapse, windshield failure.  All are distinctly
different.

Perhaps this is why discussion continues.

Dave Hyde
davehyde@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil
So I said to the Navy, "These are my opinions, go and get your own."
From: jim@fjolsvid.css.gov (Jim Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Taildragger Tail Low Takeoffs
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:36:05 GMT
Organization: Science Applications Int'l Corp./Geophysics Div.
In-reply-to: petri@venus.iucf.indiana.edu's message of 19 Nov 92 03:39:12 GMT

In article <Bxy2L9.Cor@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> petri@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (HOWARD PETRI) writes:

	I watched First Flights with Neal Armstrong this evening and
   noticed something peculiar. Steve Hinton flew a P47 Thunderbolt and
   another pilot demonstrated a P51 Mustang. They were both flying
   from the Planes of Fame Museum at Chino, CA. Now what I found strange
   was that they both choose to take off without raising the tails of their
   aircraft during the run--they just flew them off the ground tail down.
   I was taught to do this in a taildragger if making a short field takeoff
   but otherwise always raise my tail as soon as possible to be able to see
   where I am going. Any ideas why they did this? 

I can think of one good reason: to stay aligned with the runway before
takeoff!  Although I haven't gotten my P47 and P51 checkouts yet (that's
a big :-) I can easily imagine that the large prop on the large engine
would have a lot of torque that the smallish rudder (optimized for flight
speed) may be inadequate to counter.  If you raise the tail on rollout,
you add the precession from rotation and also lose the steering from
the (locked) tailwheel.  Sounds like a good opportunity for a ground
loop.  Those airplanes probably have enough power to liftoff and climb
from a three-point attitude, so no problem.

Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: jeffk@relay.sgi.com (Jeff Komori)
Subject: Flying in Hawaii
Keywords: Hawaii, FBO, Flying, Club
Reply-To: jeffk@corp.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc. Information Services/DCO
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:18:49 GMT

I will be going home for Thanksgiving and would like to get some flying in there.
I remember seeing some posts about a year ago about net.aviators flying experiences
around the Hawaiian islands.  Did anyone save those messages?

I'd like to hear from anyone who has flown around the islands and which FBOs, Flying
clubs they rented aircrafts from.  I'd like to rent a C172.

Any other useful information will be appreciated.

Jeff Komori, PP-ASEL
From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: HangAr, durnit, HANGAR!!
Keywords: Stearman
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:30:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1992Nov18.213047.14563
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Nov18.210910.13424@umbc3.umbc.edu> robie@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie; POSI (GRAD)) writes:
>
>I recently (yesterday) saw a letter written by the head of one of the top
>aviation-related institutions in America -- one in which the word "hangar"
>was spelled with an "E."  ARRRGGGHHHH!!!  Quayle must have been his spelling
>coach!
>
>If a word has an "ER" suffix, it means that he, she, or it does that thing.
>(eg: griper, bull[throw]er, whiner, screamer, looper, nitpicker, etc.)
>

like 'elevater?'

>You don't HANG an airplane in a HANGAR.
>
>Harrumpph,
>
>Bill
>
>

You are write, bill, I'm sure the Right Brothers meant it be 'hangar.'

BTW, is a brother one who broths?  :)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: erik@tera.com (Erik Hedberg)
Subject: Inflight Emergency Seminar
Organization: Tera Computer Company, Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:22:41 GMT


I remember seeing some comments awhile back about some videos shown
during a safety seminar.

I attended Rod Machado's "Handling Inflight Emergencies" seminar last
evening and was favorably impressed.  He directly addressed issues
related to emergencies in an interesting and humorous way, and kept my
attention to the end of an 18 hour day.

Some of his points were obvious to me (don't run out of fuel), but
some were not.  For example, given that you are forced into a gear-up
landing, and you have a choice of pavement or grass, which should you
pick?  His answer is the pavement.  The fire danger on pavement is
minimal, and grass tends to ball up under the plane, is rougher, and
you are more likely to nose over.  After the plane has stopped, and
you've gotten out, what's the next thing to do?  *Close the door*  The
firemen are (presumably) going to show up and douse your plane in
foam.  Closing the door saves your interior and perhaps your avionics
too.

He also had good videos, including an amazingly stupid crash in
Alaska.  The story is that this joker (pre-solo student, less than 8
hours) straps a video camera on his dad's Champ, and "borrows" it
without permission.  The view is looking forward, and shows the nose
of the plane and a propeller.  A hand comes in from the side and tries
to hand-prop the engine.  Then he sticks his face in the camera (to
make sure it's running), then reaches forward and manages to get it
started while standing between the wing and the prop.  Next we see him
on the takeoff roll, he becomes airborne and heads for his
girlfriend's house to show off.  At about 1000AGL he does a loop, then
a couple of very steep turns (I thought he was going to roll it), then
another loop.  On his third loop, he stalls and enters a spin.  I lost
count of the turns in the spin, I believe I saw 4 or 5.  He comes out
of the spin just inches below treetop level.  He was saved (this time)
buy the fact the trees were only about 3-4 inches in diameter and
widely spaced (4-5 feet).  They cushioned the impact substantially.
The camera kept running, and after some silence he says "He's gonna
kill me".

Apparently his dad didn't kill him, a plane crash 3 years later did.

Anyway, if you get a chance to attend this seminar I recommend it.

Erik
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
From: amazon@annexia.esd.sgi.com (Stormwind)
Subject: GA in the news
Organization: X Industries, Heavy Weapons R&D
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:59:51 GMT

hmmm.  the first try at this article didn't 
make it out apparently.  my apologies if this
is a duplicate at your site.

during the "perception of GA" thread, it was
mentioned that frequently the importance of 
GA in performing certain services is downplayed
by the media.  one way to fix this problem is
to convince the media to put more emphasis on
how important the different aspects of GA can
be.

much to my delight, while perusing the paper
over breakfast on saturday, i found an article
on the arrest of the suspect who is alleged to
have set a number of fires out here, many of
which were rather close to some expensive homes.

the following is an excerpt from the San Jose
Mercury News, Saturday November 14, 1992 (final
edition, front page):

"[...] The arrest came in dramatic fashion Friday
afternoon as volunteer sheriff's pilots in a small
airplane spotted someone setting a fire [...] and
gave chase until detectives on the ground caught
up to the fleeing suspect.

[...] the pilots, who have been flying regularly 
above Woodside and Portola Vally for the past six 
weeks, spotted flames [...]"

that was the entirety of the section addressing
the fact that the people who found the guy were
in a small GA aircraft, in about a 1/2 page article.

so now we get to the question: where do we take
it from here?  we know that a GA aircraft was 
used.  this is what we want to play up.  we *don't*,
however, want to encourage people to try this kind
of stuff on their own, just point out one of many
overlooked uses of light aircraft.  some ideas 
that sprang to mind:

1)  call the newspaper and get a longer article
done up on the pilots of the aircraft, why they
do this kind of thing, how often they do it, what
other uses do they have for GA aircraft that serve
the public, that sort of thing.

2)  call one of the local news stations, point
this section of the article out to them and get the
news station to do an interview with the pilots 
focusing on the GA aspect of the their jobs.

3)  organize a letter campaign and send out letters
to all the residents in the area (perhaps a limited
area, like the woodside and portola valley area
itself, which had a lot of people worried for their
homes) emphasizing the role that GA aircraft played
in saving their expensive homes.  

of the three ideas, #3 seemed to have the most bang
for the buck, and the most potential to backfire.
people hate junk mail, and would probably chuck something
that was not asked for.  on the other hand, the ones
that did read the letter would probably be more 
inclined to be in favor of GA since this particular
incident hit VERY close to home with these people,
especially after the oakland fire. 

comments?  suggestions?  is this worth pursuing?

			stormwind

			hell's amazon