HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: DUELL@RMCS.CRANFIELD.AC.UK
Subject: Jobs in Japan
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:40:00 GMT

I found the following advert in a copy of "The Economist" magazine.
I wrote to the address but I got no response - I hope somebody
has more luck with the advert than I did.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
                   L I V E   I N   J A P A N

International Education Services invites applications for a one year
assignment in Japan teaching English. Minimum academic requirement is
a Bachelors degree: some work experience desirable. Please submit
current resume to:

                             IES
                      Shin Taiso Building
                    10-7 Degenzaka 2-chome
                 Shibuyo-ku, Tokyo 150 JAPAN
                    Tel : 81-3-3463-5396
                    Fax : 81-3-3463-7089
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that it should be ShibuyA, and not ShibuyO.

But I had more luck with the next address I found in a careers-sheet
from Oxford University. I wrote to the address enclosing a covering letter
and my C.V. (resume). After a couple of weeks I recieved an application
form, which I filled in and returned. After a few more weeks they wrote
back offering me a job. 250,000Yen for a 25 hour week, help with
accomodation etc. They were also going to arranged for the all important
VISA. I think that arranging a VISA for me was dependent on me
sending them a sample of my voice on an audio cassette. Anyway, I decided not
to take the job because of another job opportunity.
The owner (I presume he is also the manager) is called
               KENJI TSUIHIJI
And the address is
              OTA ENGLISH SCHOOL (OES)
                   1303 IIda-Cho
                     Ota-SHI
                    GUNMA-Ken
                    JAPAN 373
              Tel : (0276) 47-0671
              Fax : (0276) 48-1724

I hope the information will be of use, and please contact me if
you need anymore info.

                     Alan P. Duell
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Kansai <-> Kantou Japanese table
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:04:06 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I think it will be the same as Tokyo.  My wife's always 'bragging' how
the Hokkaido speech is next identical to Tokyo speech.  It is only a
200 year occupation afterall thanks to Takeaki and the other Bakufu
runaways... 

>  ?               Hokkaido (This is another important dialect.)
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
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From: RWESTMOR@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Robert Westmoreland)
Subject: RE: kanji of the day ?42
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:03:28 GMT

It's a long story, but generally (and somewhat simplistically), reading is
done mostly by the left-brain in most people. This is probably true for
reading kanji as well, though I don't know for certain. There is some
interesting (albeit sad) evidence that kanji and kana use different parts
of the brain. This comes from victims of brain damage incurred in accidents.
Some Japanese have been left with the ability to read and/or write kana but
not kanji, and vice-versa. I can't think of the article where I read about this
off-hand, but I'll try to find it.
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From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: kanji of the day ?38
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:19:08 GMT

hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:

>In article <jwb.715913640@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>>
>>Nelson also has "ta", but I cannot find a compound using it.

>"ta" seems to be for "ta(tsu)" (v.i.), meaning to uprise or
>initiate a (political) action (revolt, run for presidency, etc.).
>This usage is unlikely to be orthodox, and has a metaphorical or
>poetic flavor.

Thanks; got it.

>BTW perhaps we shouldn't forget:
>bokKI	erection :-)

Sigh, at my age it's easy to forget such things. [This word is another
gem of Japanese etymology. Not as good as jikahatsuden, though.]

Two new edict entries. Thank you.
-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Does DOS/V really work in the American PC?
From: kxharada@ualr.edu
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:43:12 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock
Keywords: DOS/V

Hi, I am Kyoko.

Could anyone tell me if DOS/V can be really applicable 
on the American PC?
Is it true that I need only to bring the software (DOS/V)
to the U.S. in order to use the Japanese language?
If so, how can I solve the problem of the difference of
the keyboard?

I am thinking to buy a computer here with the cheaper price
to take it back home in Japan.
If there is someone who has done it successfully, please tell 
me how you did.

Buy the way, You may think I am asking stupid questions.
But here is my execuse; I am in the country, the deep South of the U.S.
I can hardly get information about Japan......

I will be very happy if you guys give me the information.

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From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: New versions of EDICT and KANJIDIC released.
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:26:12 GMT

harry@issun1.kfk.de (Harald Kucharek) writes:


>In article 714965423@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au, jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>>
>>Just installed in the /pub/nihongo [ <--- note the LOWER case] directory of
>>monu6.cc.monash.edu.au is:
>>
>>V92-026 of edict (PD Japanese/English Dictionary file). V26 has 26,730 lines (up
>>from 25,300 in V25). It is in plain text (edict), compressed (edict.Z) and indexed
>>for JDIC/JREADER usage (edict.zoo).
>>

>Sorry Jim, you are doing a great work, but even great people can fail...

>Actually, the 28AUG92 V92-026 version at the ftp-server has "only" 25741 lines,
>both the edict.Z and edict.zoo files. Are you distributing the wrong files
>or have you made a mistake when counting?

[Blush]. I miscounted. You're right, it is "only" 25741 lines.

The good news is that V27 (probably out later this week) will be about
26,950, unless some kind soul scratches up a few more by then. 
-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: Dave_Spence.Ebina_PBU@FUJIXEROX.XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: Standard Japanese
Reply-To: Dave_Spence.Ebina_PBU@fujixerox.xerox.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:23:24 GMT

Sep. 8, 1992
Gee, sounds like everybody read the Japan Times last Friday.
I was wondering, did anyone else reacted to the use by the Japan Times of the
word 'accent' in their table(s) instead of dialect?
Am I wrong for thinking that most of the words / phrases they used as
illustrations would better be described as examples of differences in 'dialect'
as opposed to 'accent'?
What about 'iranto' (Kyushu-ben for 'iranai'), or 'shiranto' (shiranai)? Is the
'nto' in place of the 'nai' an 'accent'?? change or a 'dialect' differerence?
Or, what about 'ganbanbe' or 'ganbaranakucha'?

Were there a few colloquialisms thrown in for good measure?
It seemed that the Japan Times 'list' contained a variety.  Still, it DOES seem
they could have found a better word than 'accent'.

However, the only real quarrel I have with thir publication of the 'list' is
that it was too short.  I would have liked to have seen a much longer list for
the various 'accents'.  My wife and I had a ball trying to remember other
examples (she grew up in Kyushu and spent most of her adult life in the Tokyo
area).  And I used to spend a lot of time in Kansai area on business, with
Tohoku trips thrown in for good measure. She tends to have more of the Tokyo
'accent' a Kyushu 'accent'.

I wouldn't miss Friday's Japan Times for anything just because of the page on
Nihongo. It is a great page. The compilations that have been published are well
worth buying.

One of the harder dialects to understand (does that mean it is 'katai' or
'muzukashii'?), I'm sure you'll agree, is 'Kagoshima-ben'. A friend of mine
here at Fuji Xerox is from Kyushu, as is his wife, and, though he grew up with
the Kagoshima-ben, he says that he now can understand most of what he hears,
but can't really speak it any longer.

Interesting.

Dave
From: manga@twics.co.jp
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Canon Wordtank
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:37:40 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

Ooops, I forgot.  Email to twics is indeed very spotty.  Please
send email to (manga@oldcolo.com) instead of to twics.

thanks,
-bret
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: thalawyn@RM105SERVE.SAS.UPENN.EDU (thalawyn of silverwood)
Subject: Tasukete kudasai
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:58:35 GMT

   Hello all.  Once again I am asking for help, advice, or information for a
friend.  I have a Canadian friend who has just graduated from high school and
is trying to go to Japan and work.  Fortunately, because she is Canadian she
can get this great 6-month work visa with no difficulty.  However, she has no
job prospects and plans to look while over there.  Further, she has a place she
can stay for a while but needs more permanent housing.  I feel a bit silly
 asking this since I know people in the past have posted listings for gaijin
 houses
and the like, which I did not save.  So I feel bad to ask for someone to post
them again or simply send them to me.  I know and have told her that without a
college degree it is very unlikely even if she can work full time but she wants
to try anyway.  I do agree that if anything the experience of living in Japan a
while will be excellent for her so even if she gets no job it will be well
worth the journey.  But if anyone has information on jobs or housing that can
be of help please let me know.  You do not have to post them.  You can just
send them to my email address above, but I imagine some people may want the
information as well.  She'll be in the Toukyou area.  My thanks in advance.
   Thalawyn
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From: luke@wombat.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)
Subject: Re: Grammar
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:52:22

In article <9209151808.AA14410@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu writes:
>I have run across two grammatical constructions that are not in any grammar
>text book that I have ever seen [I've seen quite a few], so I thought I'd
>share them here.
>(1) As a variation on -shinakereba naranai, -shinereba naranai

Hmm.  Well, almost.  What this is is an old version of "nakereba naranai".
Just like in the modern, it's formed by putting the verb in the negative
and then conjugating the negative into the "if" form with "-ba".  In the
modern, this is (using the verb "toru" from your example):

toru -> toranai -> toranakereba -> toranakereba naranai

but in classical conjugation, this is

toru -> torazu -> toraneba -> toraneba naranai (actually, should be "narazu"
                                                or "naranu").

However, "shinereba" is wrong -- the conjugation for suru is irregular:

suru -> sezu -> seneba -> seneba naranai  (actually it's "su", not "suru",
                                           but that's beside the point...)

>    This can be found in an essay by Tatematsu Wahei published in The Nihongo
>    Journal, March 1992. "souraapaneru ha dekiru dake menseki wo toraneba
>    naranai no de ..."  (In order to reduce the area of the solar panel as
>    much as possible ...)

Good example, except that the meaning is "since you must make the area
of the solar panels as large as possible...".

>(2) Also from Nihongo Journal, this time April 1992, an essay by Tawara Machi,
>    the user of the particle wo followed by mo: "Keigo to iu no ha, jouge dake
>    de naku shinso wo mo arawasu." (Keigo expresses not only relative social
>    status, but also degree of familiarity.) According to the text books, mo
>    should replace wo, both should not appear together. My wife (who is
>    Japanese), explains that wo mo adds emphasis ("kyouchou"), like saying
>    "and also" or "also ... as well."

Good point.  Most good grammar references mention this, but most textbooks
seem to just make the blanket "'mo' replaces 'wa', 'ga', and 'o'" and don't
bother to explain the above point.
-- 
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From: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: gokiburi no kanji
Keywords: gokiburi
Date: 13 Sep 92 06:06:59 GMT
Reply-To: nakano@suncom1.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp (NAKANO Yasuaki)
Organization: Dept. of Information Engineering, Shinshu Univ.,500 wakasato, Nagano, Japan

In article <BuH997.zo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> swg8890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Satomi  Wakita) writes:
> I was wondering if anyone out there could tell me what the kanji for 
>"gokiburi" is/are.  I tried looking up 'gokiburi' in several dictionaries,
>but I couldn't find any kanji listed.  Any info would be appreciated.

I think "gokiburi" is a Japanese-origin word (Yamato-kotoba). 
A dictionary says that its kanji is
	$Bit(J
whose ON-YOMI is "hi". JIS (6974)H or 73-ku 84-ten.
The dictionary shows another kanji, which I can't find in the JIS table.
I have not seen these kanji so far.
Yasuaki NAKANO
nakano@wakasato.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp
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From: mathias@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gerald B. Mathias)
Subject: Re: awfulness (was: Monotarinai)
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:47:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.021240.11499@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> colric@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Colin Richards) writes:
>>	sugoi (awful) -> monosugoi
>
>sugoi == awful ???
>
>I thought that sugoi meant great or fantastic not awful, can it have
>both meanings?

You're getting into a universally tricky area of meaning.  "awful" ~ "full
of awe" ~ "awesome."  "Terrible" ~ "terribly nice."

Words with meanings like those of `sugoi,' `erai,' `taihen,' etc., can
switch from one pole to the other, it seems, often playing both ends at
once.

Bart Mathias

Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: kanji of the day ?39
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:31:05 GMT

stueber@VAX.MPIZ-KOELN.MPG.DBP.DE writes:

>KANJI OF THE DAY # 39


>Compounds:

>   SAPpuukei  -  tasteless, dreary
>   miGOROSHI  -  letting (someone) die before ones eyes without helping
>   souSAI     -  offset each other, plus and minus equal zero

Thanks, three new ones for edict.

edict has lots of compounds of this one, e.g. anSATSU (assassination),
gyakuSATSU (atrocity, massive killing), kouSATSU (hanging, strangulation),
etc.

The Wordtank has a few more, too.
-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: yren@flower.Princeton.EDU (Yong Ren)
Subject: Re: Kansai <-> Kantou Japanese table
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:59:37 GMT

I think you can imitate the dialects by changing the end of a sentense.
Try the followings:

So^ desu.        Tokyo
Se ya.           Osaka
So^ dosu.        Kyoto
 ?               Fukuoka  (I forgot one of the largest dialect.)
So^ jan.         Yokohama
So^ dagaya.      Nagoya
 ?               Hokkaido (This is another important dialect.)
So^ degowasu.    Kagoshima
So^ zonamoshi.   Matsuyama
So^ zura.        Shizuoka
So^ dappe.       ?
So^ jaken.       Hiroshima
So^ dabe.        Aomori? Sendai?
So^ tai(?)       Kumamoto?
 ?               Kohchi
Yes, it is.      English

Just kidding.

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From: s8922967@MACKAY.MPCE.MQ.EDU.AU
Subject: Re: ^?JV^??.^?^A: Kantou <-> Standard Japanese table
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:25:21 GMT

Konnichiwa!

> Is "....kedo " also a dialectic variation of "...keredomo"? My Japanese
> colleague told me the English equivalent is "but". I have heard it used so
> often but couldn't find it in the dictionary.

Well my dictionary (Martin's Pocket) lists:

  kedo = keredo(-mo)

  keredo(-mo) however, though, but.

I have noticed that some dictionaries vary in their market, thus don't put
entries in that are of interest to you or me, because they don't interest
them. Jim Breen's electronic dictionary file (edictj) I would regard as a good
source to look in for words/expressions not found in a paper dictionary,
especially ones that might be regarded as slang or vulgar.

Cya,
    Murray.


-----///--------------------------------------------------------------------
__  ///        Murray Gilbert  3:714/908.3  s8922967@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au
\\\///         Maquarie University Commodore Amiga Society
 \XX/ AMIGA !  Maquarie University School of Math Phys Comp Elec
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: What about Zura?  (Was something longer)
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:41:47 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

>   "Denkigama" may be available not only in Shizuoka, but also in all
> Japan.  Though I was born and grew up in Gifu city, I also speek
> "denkigama" or "denki-suihanki" instead of "suihanki".
> furuta@sra.co.jp (Atsushi Furuta)

My wife always calls it _ja:_ or _gohan ja:_ and claims it to be a
Hokkaido-ben.  Can anyone concur.
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Life Happens?
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From: Pua_Yeow_Cheong.xssc@RXSGP.XEROX.COM
Subject: JV?.: Kantou <-> Standard Japanese table
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:44:59 GMT

Hi

>>Would be that all?

Is "....kedo " also a dialectic variation of "...keredomo"? My Japanese
colleague told me the English equivalent is "but". I have heard it used so
often but couldn't find it in the dictionary.

Yeow Cheong
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: u910996@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Delroy Hartley)
Subject: Re: Mac Japanese Software
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:53:43 GMT

dschmidt@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (David S. Schmidt) writes:


>Can anyone give me information on Japanese language software available
>for the Macintosh?  I do have KanjiTalk system software.

>I am looking for Japanese learning aids, and dictionaries.  Also,
>are there any ftp sites with such software?

Well it's kind of lucky you have KanjiTalk then because you can't do anything
without it.  Look for ASL Edit.  This is a basic PD text editor.  There are
various commercial stuffs but ASL is the best PD thing.

It's 3am now so if you reply via E-mail I look something up.

--
Delroy Hartley
u910996@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au
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From: RWESTMOR@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Robert Westmoreland)
Subject: Grammar
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:51:10 GMT

I have run across two grammatical constructions that are not in any grammar
text book that I have ever seen [I've seen quite a few], so I thought I'd
share them here.
(1) As a variation on -shinakereba naranai, -shinereba naranai
    This can be found in an essay by Tatematsu Wahei published in The Nihongo
    Journal, March 1992. "souraapaneru ha dekiru dake menseki wo toraneba
    naranai no de ..."  (In order to reduce the area of the solar panel as
    much as possible ...) Another citation is by the linguist Fukui Naoki,
    in a book edited by Inoue Kazuko entitled Nippon Bunpou Shoujiten (p 94).
    The sentence is too long to quote, but the word he uses is nasareneba
    naranai = must be done.
(2) Also from Nihongo Journal, this time April 1992, an essay by Tawara Machi,
    the user of the particle wo followed by mo: "Keigo to iu no ha, jouge dake
    de naku shinso wo mo arawasu." (Keigo expresses not only relative social
    status, but also degree of familiarity.) According to the text books, mo
    should replace wo, both should not appear together. My wife (who is
    Japanese), explains that wo mo adds emphasis ("kyouchou"), like saying
    "and also" or "also ... as well."
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mathias@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gerald B. Mathias)
Subject: Re: What's an idiom (Was: Re: Monotarinai)
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:42:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.085313.15138@u.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.023930.6024@news.Hawaii.Edu>
>mathias@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gerald B. Mathias) writes:
>>
>> I could use some help on this one.  I haven't figured out a way to
>> distinguish between real idioms and regular expressions yet.  Hints?
>
>I would say that the dividing line between the two is not always so
>clear, but generally I follow the rule of thumb that if the meaning
>of the expression is not immediately clear from it's components it
>is an idiom.
>
> [some clear examples of idioms omitted]
>
>Some people count verb + preposition pairs (like "show up" for
>"arrive") as idioms, but this is where things are less clear. I tend
>not to count them but what I do doesn't count for much. Obviously,
>something as easy as "go up" is not an idiom, as its most common
>meaning is quite clear and straightforward given the component pieces
>being used.

Thanks for the try, Tad, but it looks like you may have as much trouble as
I do.  I would be inclined to take "show up" as a bona fide idiom; I am sure
it doesn't mean "show up" as opposed to "show down" or "show sideways."
     Which is the "most common meaning" of "go up"?  If prices or temperatures
or grade point averages "go up," do they really _go_?  They all "get higher,"
but is that really _up_, or is it an(other?) idiom?  I begin to wonder if
after all "up" and "go," etc., aren't one-word idioms.

As for `monotarinai' (this is after all sci.lang.JAPAN, so I'd better get
some Japanese in  :-) ), since in every case of `tarinai koto' there has to
be something, i.e. some `mono' that is not adequate, then wouldn't `mono-
tarinai' be kind of a dumb thing to say if we expected it to be taken as a
sum of its parts?  Sure looks like an idiom to me.  (What I have trouble
with is more the "what's NOT an idiom" side.)

Bart Mathias

Oh, by the way, not that I think for a moment that you meant it, but it is
decidedly NOT true, but only idiomatic, that there are more kanji than you
can shake a stick at.