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From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: Nike Style Tai Chi?
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:22:35 GMT

dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552) writes:

>     A friend of mine has a problem with his Tai Chi practice, which I will
>present to the net for solutions.  He has assiduously practiced for several
>years, and has recently acquired a pair of Nike pump sport shoes.  Now each
>time he fa jings, the pumps inflate suddenly and blow out.  Is this a known
>manufacturing defect, or is he simply misdirecting his chi?  This problem is
>rapidly becoming expensive.

>     I know all you netters can provide lots of useful suggestions for my
>friend...  >	David Pipes >robear@digex.com

The only way to address a problem like this is to practice in the Southern
Hemisphere, at night, leaving his wallet with Tom Osborn (for safe keeping).

A more demanding substitute is to discard the shoes and practice the ancient
art of Apt-Ness... ...it will lead to a reduction in the number of times he
is silly, before enlightenment comes up and hits him on the back of the head.
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: A few questions about T'ai Chi..
Date: 29 Sep 1992 17:05:08 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:

 +	Well, the way I understand it, teachers have their "closed door"
 +students, who are given the whole system, and then the rest of their students
 +who receive something less - either because they lack the inclination/ability
 +to appreciate it, or they have dubious loyalty to the teacher.

Could be.

 +	This is the case in classical Japanese ryu, which have their shoden and
 +(I think it's called) hiden.Why should it be any different in Chinese schools?
                        ^^^^^
Maybe they should be called "hidden"?  Just asking.

 +	I guess that you'd have to look at who stayed with Yang Cheng-Fu the
 +longest, and would have been in a position to learn everything from him. I
 +believe that Fu Zhong-Wen is documented as having spent many decades as Yang
 +Cheng-Fu's protege. Members of his immediate family are also good candidates
 +for receiving things which weren't taught "outside".

As was Dong Yingjie.  Of course, Fu, being family, might have had an 
opportunity to have had more insight and specialized training.


Terry "It's all hidden to me" Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Carpe Per Diem
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Kimiwasa?
Summary: I'm Stumped.
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:53:43 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <5394@krafla.rhi.hi.is>, hhv@rhi.hi.is (Eldark) writes...
>I recently started practicing martial-arts style called Kimiwasa.
>This is said to be a form where one gets to use a variety of weapons
>although the main emphasis is on self defense.  We were also told
>that this art is one of the oldest forms, developed by monks in 300 A.C.
>I had never heard this art mentioned before, and I've not found any
>references to it.
> 
>Is there anyone out there familiar with this style?  Where can I get
>information on it?

A couple of thoughts off hand ... what country/culture is this art
purported to be from ?  Was that the original name ?   It sounds
almost Japanese, but the time factor would be way off for a surviving
indigenous Japanese art, and of course the thing about the monks wouldn't
likely apply to 4th century Japan.

Most likely Chinese, I guess, yet separating out a specific Shaolin-Si
based style for analysis and claiming separate roots is dubious, considering
the number of Chinese styles already claiming such roots.  

Maybe if you can get a few more clues from your instructor, like
the name of a patriarch or matriarch, or a specific province or
something ?    Or even the past few generations of masters.  If they claim 16 
centuries of unbroken lineage, they must at least have a few generations of 
teachers recorded somewhere ?  ;-)

>Hannes Hogni Vilhjalmsson
>hhv@rhi.hi.is
>Computer Science
>University of Iceland 

					todd
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From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31)
Subject: Re: Weak Ankles and Karate
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:36:48 GMT

>Up until last night, karate seemed to be fitting the bill (and more). I 
>definitely have been enjoying it. However, during kumite last night, while
>I was back peddling away from a concentrated flurry from a brown belt, my
>left ankle gave way.

Not to dispute that you may have weaker ankles than someone else, but
the accident you describe is very very common.  When you first start sparring
seriously (such as full contact, against someone you *WHAM* respect *WHAM*)
you get really wrapped up in what you are doing and don't give footwork
a lot of CPU cycles and turn your ankle.  Over the last ten years I have
seen this over and over again, often when giving ground.  It mostly
happens to rookies and folks who get ring rust.  The other great offender
is jumping kicks.

What to do:
Make sure your ankles are warmed up prior to sparring, rotation and
range of motion stretches help here.

Don't get so wrapped up in what you are doing (easily said) what I mean
is, if the person you are sparring is really overpowering you ask them
to take some to the pepper off :-)  (I realize this goes against the
prevailing attitudes at some schools.)  Now that you know you opponent
isn't going to concentrate on a KO, you can work a bit slower, concentrate
more on your technique.

Practice footwork.  I really really mean this, it is critical.  Practice
those little jump forwards  and jump backs and side steps over
and over again and don't quit practicing them just because you get your
black belt or whatever, you may never stop working on the basics!

If your ankle is not up to spec, be very careful about when you allow
your feet to leave the floor.  For belt advancement you may have to
know certain jump kicks, but I doubt that you have to use them in
sparring.  


Finally on back peddling.  My rule is: one step back followed by
counter attack is great, two steps back followed by counter attack
is acceptable and can be used to vary one step back.  Any more than
two steps back and you are about to notice just how pretty the ceiling
is as it spins around in circles :-)
From: hhv@rhi.hi.is (Eldark)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Anyone heard of Kimiwasa?
Summary: Looking for info on Kimiwasa
Keywords: kimiwasa
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:44:55 GMT

I recently started practicing martial-arts style called Kimiwasa.
This is said to be a form where one gets to use a variety of weapons
although the main emphasis is on self defense.  We were also told
that this art is one of the oldest forms, developed by monks in 300 A.C.
I had never heard this art mentioned before, and I've not found any
references to it.

Is there anyone out there familiar with this style?  Where can I get
information on it?

Thanks for any info,

---
Hannes Hogni Vilhjalmsson
hhv@rhi.hi.is
Computer Science
University of Iceland 
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From: stan@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Stan Uffner)
Subject: Re: On Explaining Aikido
Organization: OEM Products Division, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 23:07:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.151612.493@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:

>concept.   And certainly not essential to carry over the entire Zen culture
>in explaining the performance of technique.  And if an intelligent,

No one should use any "Zen" explanation for aspects aikido, at least if they
are trying to relate to the way O-sensei thought of it.

"Zen" had very little to do with O-sensei's aikido. He was influenced by
Shinto and Omotyo ko. Granted, that all Japanese are affected by the "Zen"
influence on their culture, but there is no connection between formal "Zen
Buddhism" and O-sensei's aikido.

Regards,

stan
stan@hfglobe.intel.com



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From: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU (Deac Moo of the UGC)
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Reply-To: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU
Organization: The University of Maryland, University College
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:03:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.154315.15937@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>	If they really knew anything about naked kill methods (improvised 
>	weapons) I don't think anyone would be able to get on to an airplane 
>	with a shred of clothing on their backs.  Could make for rather 
>	interesting flights though. 
>

Waiit, I thought that reference in Shibuimi was merely myth...


                               ******
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From: nev@Turing.ORG (Niles E. VanDenburg)
Subject: Tai Chi video contents ?
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:53:46 GMT

Warning: TJ beginner question

A recent video catalog listed a _Tai_Chi_Chuan_Complete_Instructional_
Course:_Featuring_the_Simplified_Yang_Style_Short_Form_--_Orthodox_
Taijiquan._ for US$ 60.  I asked my instructor about the contents but
he was unsure as to whether the form presented would be what I am
trying to learn from him.  So my question is - could anyone describe
the contents of this video so that I could determine which "Yang short
form" is being presented.

The description of the video from the catalog follows:

   "This is an intensive 3-1/2 hour Tai Chi Chuan course
    taught by two highly qualified instructors.  The form is
    included in this program, presented in a teaching style
    that is easy to follow and entertaining as well as 
    instructional. 1990/color/3-1/2 hours."

Thank you

Niles
-- 
Niles VanDenburg
nev@turing.org
niles_v@cho000.cho.ge.com
niles_v@cho000.dnet.ge.com
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From: luong@cray.com (Luong Nguyen-Duy)
Subject: Tai Chi Basic Movements (Was : Re: A few questions about T'ai Chi..)
Keywords: Wardoff, Rollback, Press, Push, Open, Close
Organization: Cray Research Superservers Inc., San Diego CA, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:18:59 GMT

In article <1ae6c1INNq0j@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <23954@sybase.sybase.com> thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>>to which I must ask those who have experience in both Chen and Yang styles....
>>
>>Are the basic 'Peng', 'Lu', 'Ji', 'An'  movements done similarly in the
>>two styles or are they very different ?
>
>Very different.  Almost different beyond recognition.
>
>But, perhaps more to the point, Peng, Lu, Ji, and An are not even what you
>would call "basic movements" in Chen style.  I mean, they're there, if you
>look for them (and you really have to look for An), but, unlike Yang style,
>they definitely do not play a central role in the principles and fighting
>philosophy.
>
>

Well, this is getting interesting.  I think I'll jump in.

I think Wardoff/rollback/press/push (Peng, Lu, Ji,An) are very much the basic,
and important movements in the Chen form (the first form).  If one only
looks at specific body postition/strucure to identify the movements, then yes,
there are very few places that these four moves are used.  But if one looks
at these movements as muscle/energy pattern and inner control then they are used
all over in the form, especially Peng (wardoff).
Example : In single whip, the left hand does the Wardoff.  "Wave-hands
like clouds" are just series of presses.

The first "circle" one does in either Chen or Yang form has these form 
movements hidden there.  Besides this four movements.  "opening" and
"closing" are also very important.  Wardoff open.  Rollback closes.
Press and An close the chest and open the back.

Based on this, I currently think that Chen and Yang style are essentially the
same despite the outward difference.  Once you know how to do wardoff then
it does not matter where the hand
position is or which arm does it.  Just like Push (An), in the Chen form,
the push is targeted at the thigh, but it does not matter.  If one really
knows how to push, one can use it in many different position, chest level,
thign, etc...  The only problem is that this is not explained in
most Yang classes.

This is my current understanding.  Subject to revision in the future.
There are much I do not know yet.


Luong Nguyen-Duy
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:29:34 EDT
From: Gerry Santoro - CAC/PSU <GMS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
 <3800@unisql.UUCP>

One more point on the issue of carrying weapons -- someone correctly
mentioned the fact that nunchaku are illegal in many (probably most) areas
except in the dojo, home and en-route to one from the other.

However a friend of mine (a state police officer) offered me an interesting
way around this.  Instead of tying them together, as is normally done,
tie each stick separately, so a loop comes out of the end of each
stick.  Then insert the other end of each stick into the loop of the
other and -- VIOLA -- numchaku!

I don't carry my chucks with me (I use an umbrella (:-)) but I often have
one or more sets in my car since I workout at least twice each day.  I
keep them separated this way so if anyone were to see them they would be merely
sticks.

I'm not a lawyer, but I did talk about this to a local magistrate and he
thought I would be safe in the eyes of the law.  (Of course being a
known citizen and MA instructor helps also.)

gerry santoro
acadeemic computing/speech communication
penn state university
Aikido Koki-kai
From: leiwo@phoenix (Jussi Leiwo)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Taido/Hakamas
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:02:41 GMT
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Albert Chou (achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu) wrote:
: So now that there are at least two of you who know what hakamas are, could
: you explain to the rest of us what they, and taido, are?  :)
: 
: Al


OK. Let's start from the June 1992, when I asked if there are any taidokas 
reading this group. What i got, was several answers. Unfortunately nobody
knew anything about taido.

So, what is taido ? It' s a modern, quite new martial art that got its form
during the 1960's. It is based on karate, by adding kind of circlular
movements in it. Thi idea of circularity is based on kamikazes, that hitted
the target more often when the flew a kind of loop before it.

In taido we have five calsses of techiniques, about 10 in each group. The 
basic idea in every group is, that you should see what your opponent is doing
and do a technique that passes to it (what does it mean), e.g. if the uke
is doing a high kick, just go down and kick from the ground and so on.

By the way, we don't have head contacts in taido, most of the techniques
are supposed to hit the area of your stomach or area of your heart.

So, I hope you get a little bit of idea what taido is supposed to be.
Thanks for interest.

--Jussi
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From: fwong@bnr.ca (Frank Wong)
Subject: Re: ma movies and books
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:27:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.203502.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> mautzcl@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>I was just wondering if anyone out there in MA-land can recommend any good
>martial arts movies - not the cheesy translated stuff, but any with decent
>plots and a good representation of ma styles.  I have seen all the recent

Here are my recommendations : (Note: Some of these may not be translated, but
they do have subtitles and they are definitely not cheesy !)

  Movies
---------
1. Jackie Chan ; Police Story I,II,III (Anybody seen this yet ?)
                 Armour of God I,II,III ; Lady & the Rose (??)
	         Project A, Project A 2
 
2. Lie Lin Jie (Jet Lee) ; Shaolin Temple, North & South Shaolin, Dragon Fight,
                           Once Upon a time in China 1 & 2 (Wong Fei Hong)

3. Pan Qing Fu    	Iron & Silk 

4. Olivier Gruner (Sp?)    Angeltown

5. ?       Shaolin Drunk Fighter (Sho Kosugi Ninja Theatre)

6. Liu Chia Hua (?)     Master Killer



Books
------

1. Deng Ming Dao    The Wandering Taoist, Seven Bamboo Tablets of the Cloudy
                    Satchel, Gateway to a Vast World. (Non-Fiction)

2. Eiji Yoshikawa  Musashi

3. Mark Salzman    Iron & Silk, The Laughing Sutra


Anybody else have any suggestions ?


Regards,
Frank


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From: d88domze@odalix.ida.liu.se (Dominik Zemmler (dZ))
Subject: Re: Anyone heard of Kimiwasa?
Keywords: kimiwasa
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:11:30 GMT

hhv@rhi.hi.is (Eldark) writes:

>I recently started practicing martial-arts style called Kimiwasa.
>This is said to be a form where one gets to use a variety of weapons
>although the main emphasis is on self defense.  We were also told
>that this art is one of the oldest forms, developed by monks in 300 A.C.
>I had never heard this art mentioned before, and I've not found any
>references to it.

>Is there anyone out there familiar with this style?  Where can I get
>information on it?

>Thanks for any info,

>---
>Hannes Hogni Vilhjalmsson
>hhv@rhi.hi.is
>Computer Science
>University of Iceland 

Well, you seem to be at the right place to get some info, because this art
originates from Iceland. I have practised it in Sweden for a year, the
teacher was from Iceland. Unfortunately I have no contact with him anymore.
The art itself included just about everything. It had elements from every
known and unknown martial art, making it very fun but somehow pointless if
you want to get reasonable good at it and not offer your whole life to it. 
For me it was like trying this and that and having no chance of properly
practising anything before it was time to try something else.
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From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Thought for the day
Organization: just me
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:24:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

Lovret in "The Way and the Power" states about sitting in seiza that

	"Beginners find this position agonizing, but
	 after a few years, it becomes quite comfortable."

It struck me that this could refer to just about anything in the practice
of a martial art, and the process of learning it.  Could this be a useful
description of the overall nature of what we study :-)?

David Pipes
robear@digex.com
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - E41)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: DC et all was Model Mugging (long)
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:27:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: relay.1992Sep30.152727.18207
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER


Richard Drury writes:
>I hate to sound like chicken little, but the level of lethal 
>violence has been steadily escalating around here for some time.
>For all I know, you moved here from Beirut, and this all seems 
>pretty tame.  But if not, take some time to size things up before
>deciding that you can actually avoid violence by picking and 
>choosing which parts of the area to frequent.

Well you haven't said the sky is falling and the homicide rate certainly
isn't either.  I remember getting briefed in 1975 for an air evacuation of
the American dependants from Beruit.... the city certainly was more messed
up than DC so you are looking at a pucker factor of 9 or 10 by any scale.
BUT we knew what we were getting into and could prepare.

But it was an earlier post you put out Richard that makes the main point,
it is the randomness of the violence that really messes with people`s
psyche.  Dropping into Beruit international airport or running across
old town Dubrovnik you know durn good an well you will probably draw
fire, if you don't hey, a pleasant surprise!

Does anyone remember Izar's post about random stabbings in the back
in Jerusalem... what could he do?  As Izar pointed out, it's great
that people suggest "be alert" but these terrorist are hiding in blind
corners.

DC is certainly not the only troubled city in the world, but it may
indeed be the capitol for random acts of violence and senseless cruelty.

In Philadelphia at a conference they said:
	- Don't ride the metro at night (I did)
	- Don't go in this two block area called the "battle zone" (I didn't)
	- Don't go any further east than the hotel (I did to vist a dojo)
The point being they could fairly much say, if you stay clear of this
or that area, you will likely be OK.

In Boston there was an area on the border of China town that is shop
by day and whorehouse/drug emporium by night.  At about 5:00 PM is
the transition... which was durn near hilarious to watch happen.

In LA, you know, I mean you KNOW when you turn down the wrong street
(at least pre-riot this was true).

But in DC, the well defined areas do not bound the danger.  I think a
big part of the problem is that the big hotels and office buildings
and conference centers keep encroaching on the "bad" parts of town,
which displaces people.

So what is the point?

After considering Izar's situation for these months and living near
enough and visiting often enough DC to keep this ever in my mind.
I think the only reasonable approach from an MA perspective is to
steal a page from military and police training and train ourselves
to react automatically in certain senarios.

What do ya'll think?
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: shiko
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:11:13 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep29.191515.28834@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>	Shikko can be very hard on the knees.  I've walked out of the dojo

	It doesn't bother my _knees_ so much as my _toes_.  I haven't been
able to shiko for weeks since I hurt one...
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:34:55 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <60904@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:
>long as the title was bestowed upon him/her by a "proper" authority. I know
>that no one in the style I belong to just up and awarded themself the title
>of "Sempai" or "Sensei" or "Shihan" or "Kaicho". 
 
    Why do we English speakers continue to hang such mystic
    and power upon such Japanese words?  I find it amusing 
    that sempai is a title.  It only means that you are a senior
    student.  Kind of like being a Junior in college.  You are
    a sempai to the Freshmen and Sophmores but only a kohei to 
    the Seniors.   Sensei only means teacher, granted a lot is
    implied by calling comeone the sensei of a MA organization.


-- 
Robert Stroud
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com
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