From: burley@apple-gunkies.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Craig Burley)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.other,ne.forsale
Subject: Mac SE/30 8/80 w/software, manuals, mags For Sale
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:23:49
Organization: Free Software Foundation 545 Tech Square Cambridge, MA 02139
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I'd like to sell my Macintosh SE/30 (the highest-performing "luggable" Mac
ever sold by Apple) for $1800 or best offer above $1600.  Pretty much
everything (probably everything) comes with original boxes, manuals, and
disks -- there's no pirated software here.  [I almost sold it a few
months ago, but realized I needed it as a platform to get Linux running
on my 486/33...not really using it anymore, so I figure it might make
a great Christmas present.]

This is a great system for someone who wants to jump into the world of
Mac programming and other such stuff with both feet.  It's quite a bit
overpowered for average Mac use, though with System 7, 8MB RAM isn't really
overkill like it used to be, but I sure found it convenient to keep several
applications active at the same time, and switch between them rapidly,
which required more than 4MB under System 6.whatever (which is still
installed; I haven't upgraded to System 7).  From what I understand, this
machine is able to take advantage of the virtual-memory capability of
System 7 (and, presumably, run A/UX as well, though you should plan on getting
an external hard drive so as to have plenty of space available if you're
going to install A/UX, from what I've read).

Here is a quick list of everything I can find or think of that I am willing to
sell along with my Mac SE/30.

SW:
Hypercard 1.2.2
MacDraw II 1.1v1
Microsoft Works 19AUG87 1.1
Symantec SUM
THINK C 4.0.1
Smalltalk V/Mac
FullPaint
Microsoft Excel 2.2a
Lasertalk
Prototyper 2.1, C gen 2.1, plus 3.0 in box
Acta 1.01/28Feb89
Adobe Sonata Font (Screen & Printer)
Suitcase II 1.2.3
Stepping Out II
Stuffit Classic 1.6
Who's Who 1.0 ZRSoft-Italy
MacEnvy 1.0 (2/5/89)
Preview
Tops 2.1
SoftTalk 2.1
TMON 2.8.1
ResEdit 1.2
RMaker 2.2
ResTools 1.1 Desperado 1.0
BindIcon 030887
ICONstructor 1.0 July 17, 1986
SendPS
Packit III 1.1
Compare
SigmaEdit DA 1.12
Note Pad II DA
K&R DA
various sounds
SmoothTalker 2.1
SnapJot
SimCity 1.1
NetTrek 3.0
Ear Trainer
Microphone II 3.0
Red Ryder 10.3
Microsoft Flight Simulator
Spectrum Falcon 2.0
VideoWorks II
Programmer's Online Companion
Tempo II
Deluxe Music Construction Set
MacTerminal.

[Some of these aren't online, hence version numbers hard to get; a bunch are
shareware or freely downloadable, but I believe I've paid all the shareware
fees for the ones I've used more than a couple of times; for example, we might
have a more recent Stuffit Classic on floppy because we're registered twice,
one for each Mac, the other one not being for sale, at least not yet.  The
free stuff doesn't add to the price, I just want it to go with the machine;
hence, crossing it off doesn't reduce the price.]
 
Books:
Inside Mac I-V
How to Write Mac SW
Mac Programmering Secrets
68030 User's Manual
MacUser (~3 yrs worth up-to-date)
BCS Active Window (~3 yrs worth up-to-date)
MacWorld (recent issues)
Apple Numerics, ImageWriter LQ, and ImageWriter II Reference Manuals.
 
Etc:
various upgrade offers
boxes, manuals, and original disks for most everything.

HW:
(SE/30 with 8MB RAM, 80MB internal HD, brand-new superdrive internal floppy)
Extended keyboard (if you want the smaller one, we could keep the big one
    with our SE)
Mouse
Practical Peripherals 2400 baud modem PM2400SA
Kraft Joystick

Delivery:
If it's within a reasonable distance of my residence near Framingham, MA,
like under an hour each way, I'm willing to drive everything over.
Otherwise, it probably makes sense for us to split shipping costs
evenly, unless you are willing to pick the stuff up somewhere mutually
convenient.

Why Selling:
I do contract programming and development of UNIX software.  The machine has
been invaluable for some of the former, but for the latter, it is just not
adequate.  Plus, the channels I have available to me for releasing UNIX
software do not accommodate Macintosh (A/UX) ports, so in the interests of
keeping the number of machines and operating systems in the house down to
a reasonable minimum, I must give up my Mac now that I have a UNIX workstation
to replace it.  It is a hard decision, but a necessary one.

Warrantees and Condition:
I'd be surprised if there was anything in the above lists that was still under
warranty, as I bought the SE/30 when it first came out (though I replaced
the fan with the quiet one almost immediately, because the sound of 747s
landing in your home gets old after a while).  But the machine itself has
undergone some repair and cleanup work in the last year, which included
replacing the superdrive, touching up the solder joints on the video board
(it was acting up), and so on.  Also, our house has A/C and heat and thus
the machine has not been exposed to extreme temperatures or humidity.

Further, despite having no screen saver, turning the display down has been
automatic whenever I stop using it for a while, so there is no apparent
burned-in image on the display.

As far as power-cycling, I've consistently taken the approach of leaving
it on unless I don't expect to use it for more than around 12-24 hours.  So
it hasn't been cycled real frequently in the years I've had it, nor has it
been left on without doing anything useful for more than a day (with few
exceptions).  It's almost always been plugged into a high-quality surge
protector, and frequently left unplugged when thunderstorms or other power
outages threatened or seemed likely (sometimes this meant unplugging it
before going to work each day, just to be safe).  And we both had already
been in the habit with our older SE of grounding ourselves before touching
the machine to discharge static electricity somewhere other than into the
computer, so it hasn't been "zapped".

Basically, I've babied the machine!

Contact and Miscellaneous:
Email me at burley@gnu.ai.mit.edu if you are interested.  I'd prefer to
sell everything above as a package, though am willing to omit certain items
or sell other items separately.  There's no particular time limit; I'm
happy to keep using it until someone who really needs this kind of machine
with its software and manuals (and hence is willing to pay) comes along.
--

James Craig Burley, Software Craftsperson    burley@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Member of the League for Programming Freedom (LPF) lpf@uunet.uu.net
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