HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:46:14 EDT
From: Sonja Kueppers <SEK@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Yet Another Framing Peeve

I completed another of my fine cross-stitch pieces last night, and
was excited about going to the framer's today to select a frame and
arrange for framing.  I showed up in the morning, and the fellow
at the main counter told me that the framer would be in at 10.  (I have
my framing done at a general artists' supply/art store, which also does
a large amount of business in framing.)  That was fine with me; I
wasn't working until 12:30.

After purchasing textbooks for my classes this fall (yet another
peevesome subject.  The only good thing about it was that they weren't
very expensive this time), I came back at 11, and they told me that one
of the framers had called in sick, and the other one was at the doctor
and wouldn't be in until 12.

I decided on a frame, went and got some coffee (!peeve: the scone I
got with the coffee), and returned at 12.

10 minutes later, the framer finally showed up.

!Peeve: At least she was quick about taking my order.

-Sonja
------
SEK@psuvm.psu.edu SEK@PSUVM.BITNET
...you may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you
don't try.                                  - Beverly Sills
From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 12:16:39 GMT
Subject: 3rd shift and the real world
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: alt.peeves

Working third shift brings its very own set of peeves...

1) The garbage truck comes in the middle of day 

2) People insist on driving around during the day. WHY they can not 
perform these tasks at NIGHT is something I can not understand!! 

3) People come up and ring the doorbell and yell loudly "your ding-dong 
don't work!" (It was a kid. I told him that since my ding-dong doesn't 
work, perhaps he should play with his ding-a-ling instead of my ding-dong.!)

4) People call on the phone during the day. Again, what is wrong with 
calling AT NIGHT?!

5) I say there should be a concerted effort on the part of *TheDayPeople*
to be sensitive to the *NightPeople*!!

-a tired and entirely worn-out 3rd shift worker



Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves,alt.tasteless
Subject: Re: Drivers from Hell
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:38:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1992Aug12.083318.251@doc.bmd.trw.com> auerbach@doc.bmd.trw.com writes:

[meaningless crap]

>> In article <Bsrt5A.CLL@wpi.WPI.EDU>, padutton@wpi.WPI.EDU (Peter Alan Dutton) writes:
>
>[major yawnage deleted...]

Listen:  this thread should be on alt.peeves only.  There is hardly
anything "tasteless" about it.  Can't you morons learn to edit the f$&#@ng
subject line?
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Drivers from Hell
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:15:48 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <25031@castle.ed.ac.uk> scott@festival.ed.ac.uk (Scott Larnach) writes:
=>egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
=>>It might not be all that original, Scotty-me-boy, but if you insist
=>>on posting rubbish, then I'm more-or-less obliged to call it, well, rubbish.
=>
=>And my point is that this isn't alt.isnt.is.isnt.is.

'Tis so.

=> You're welcome to
=>call what I say rubbish, but you're also expected to put some minimal
=>effort into making it entertaining.

Nobody expects any such thing. Who voted you for expectations.ayatollah?

=>Maybe we should take this to email;

So why didn't you?

cordially,
-- 
==================================================================
-Jeremy Henderson            |  Une souris verte
 egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk	     |  Qui courrait dans l'herbe
==================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon)
Subject: Re: A Postcard from The Outside World
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 14:46:13 GMT
Organization: Netcom - SF Bay, Cal Northifornia
Followup-To: alt.peeves

In article <1b8088f1.ARN22fc@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au> dac writes:

>In article <15420012@otter.hpl.hp.com>, Simon Crouch writes:
>
>> 
>> Hm......The ObTerrorist has never been quite the same since
>> he went to that seminar "Increasing personal synergy through
>> leverage of your paradigm" a few weeks ago. Maybe the Peevetown
>> doctor should be called.....
>
>Or the peevetown knackery ... [Rick, that's your cue!]

Who needs a knackery when you've a restaurant with an omnivorous
clientele?  Better margins, too.

>Dac

-- 
Rick Gordon       |  "Loud is good." 
rickg@netcom.com  |    -- Frank Loesser 
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: nolan@twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw)
Subject: Germlisch (was Re: Why can't I work in Europe?)
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Technische Hochschule Luna
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:15:01 GMT


In article <1992Aug13.171626.26262@igor.tamri.com>, donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:

[employment material deleted]

|>ObGermanPhrase:  Du haBt (?) schonne augen, meine freundin.

Forrest J. Sheedy, once teacher of German at La Sierra High School,
Carmichael, Ca., USA, told tales of his experiences in Germany immediately
after WWII. The first phrase he and his mates learned was "Haben sie ein
zimmer fuer drei offizieren?" The second he'd use when looking into his
stateside sweety's eyes: "Du wirst immer schlimmer." She'd melt.

--
Nolan "You hadda be there" Hinshaw
Internet: nolan@twg.com			Dingalingnet: (415)962-7197	
"If you don't know how to do something, you don't know how to do it
 with a computer." David Wittenberg, in Risks Digest 13.70
"Boy, was I in for a dose of reality." Randall K. Abler
"... necrophilia doesn't really hurt anybody."  Rick Gordon
"Well, first of all, your stance is too wide"
From: russ@bbxrbk (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Mall of America or whatever it is
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:45:11 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug17.150307.14995@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich) writes:
>I, moi, Bill, have had the same thoughts here in sunny Georgia when the
>temperature and humidity are both in the mid to upper nineties.  Ya hear
>that, ya Damn Yankees(tm)????  Temps and humidity in the NINETIES!!!
>Bugs that are big enough and hungry enough to carry small children away
>to their doom.  If you move down here, you will only hate it!  We are
>all backwoods and stupid.  Our schools suck!  Ever hear back from your
>Damn Yankee buddies that already moved down here?  I rest my case.  The
>sight of a disemboweled (Damn) Yankee is only pleasant to a native
>Southerner.

Ninties?  NINTIES?  Hahahahahahahahahaha!  Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

I can't wait until you hit the southwest in your billmobile.  Wait
until you car sinks into the asphalt to the axles in the 105+ air. 
Wait until you are suffering through theday at 100+ and it chooses to
rain, creating a condition that can tax anyone's constitution - 100+
heat with 100% humidity.  Shit - you can't cook a steak rare in those
conditions - it's meduim rare before you remove it from the
refrigerator.

But it gets a mite warmer in Arizona.  'bout these part I'd say it "as
hot as a 2 dollar whore on the Fourth of July", in Arizona I'd say
something like "as hot as Hell on Sunday".

ObPeeve: I'm at home.  That normally would be a !peeve, but in this
case I'm loaded to the gills with unfun drugs - antihistamines,
asprin, cough stuff.  A head cold in New Mexico in these temps just
ain't a whole lot of fun.  It's downright fuckin' miserable.  And then
I spent the morning at Federal Court (big peeve posting in future -
watch this space).

-- 
.signature: not found.  Create?
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Mall of America or whatever it is
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:37:10 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA

In article <92226.194503JKH107@psuvm.psu.edu> JKH107@psuvm.psu.edu (Joy Haftel) writes:
>My main peeve right now is the Mall of America, or whatever
>it is they're calling this supermall that has just opened in
>the vast cultural and intellectual wasteland known as the Midwest
>(my apologies to any Midwesterners, but since this mall has been
>built, my estimation of that region has gone down about 100%).


It initially disgusted me until I found out where it was located.  Its
in Minnesota. Minnesota is populated by Native AMericans (lived there
for 30,000 years+) and various Caucasians of Viking extraction.  WHen I
went to Minnesota years ago, I saw one Black kid. He was parka-ed so
heavily, he looked like the Goodyear blimp with a little boy head on
top.  Only VIkings and natives can live there. The place is exceedingly
cold in the winter.

Basically, they put a shopping strip like you would find anywhere else
in the US under glass.

I don't blame them, really. I would not want to carry packages while
skating on ice.

Of course, I solved that by living in California.

Hm. Maybe the mall is a !Peeve. If they are happy in their warm 
climate-controlled pseudo-environment, they won't come and live here
and jack up real esate prices.

ER

--
	>elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >>drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
	>>Robin's Egg Blue      69-er                           69-ee
	>It's quite a trick, working out the difference between the two.
	>(Is this like "let's do 70:  you do me and I'll owe you one"?)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Multiple Personalities (A NEW thread) (Was: PRO-smoker's peeves)
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Aug12.192623.14270@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
	<1992Aug12.232017.19361@bert.eecs.uic.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:03:03 GMT

 artn@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Ellyn Sandor) writes:
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

<   bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich) writes:
<   >Smoking is bad for you.  No doubt you were drawn into the habit by that
<   >heinous cartoon camel.

<   Start a new thread.  I'll read it. Maybe.  This is my first time (I think)
<   posting here, and I'd rather not be flamed.  Start a new thread. It's real
<   easy.  Call it ANTI-smoker's peeves, not PRO-smoker's peeves.  Got it?

	Ok, no flame. Just a question.

	   Stephan 
	   ^^^^^^^
   --
   Stephan Meyers | artn@uicbert.eecs.uic.edu
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^


	Stephan, who is (Ellyn Sandor) and does she know you're
	using her account?

	Or:

	Ellyn, who is Stephan Meyers and does he know you're using
	his account?

ObPeeve: gender blur was bad enuff in the Unisex era; this kinda
	 stuff is worser!
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: curtis@cory.Berkeley.EDU (YARVIN)
Subject: Reports of my demise
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:46:13 GMT

have been greatly exaggerated.

c
From: dre@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (I would like to return this TOBACCONIST; dre@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (I would like to return this TOBACCONIST; dre@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (I would like to return this TOBACCONIST; dre@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (I would like to return t)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: News peeve
Keywords: bang, BANG! BANG! BOOM!
Date: 9 Aug 92 16:03:13 GMT
Organization: The San Jose Home for Perverted Hackers
Old-Message-ID: <5675@catnip.berkeley.ca.us>

ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:


>ObQuote: "What's so unusual about having 500 rounds of ammunition?
>	  I have that much in my desk!"
>				-----An Austrian who shall remain
>				     nameless, but who is NOT
>				     named Peter.

Yeah.  I heard about a "truck fire" on I-680 recently where the man had
"TWO THOUSAND bullets!" in the back of his pickup.  Earlier, the teaser
was "MAJOR FIRE INVOLVING EXPLOSIVES".  Fuck me harder -- the guy had
2k rounds worth of .45 that he had just bought.  Sound like IPSC to
anyone else?  Sheeit, I buy mine in thousand-round lots, just for
economy's sake...and let's not talk about .22 ...

Or when they arrest someone who has firearms: "an entire arsenal, including
over FIVE HUNDRED rounds of ammunition!"
-- 
"If I had killed her when I had first thought about getting divorced,
 I would have been out of jail by now."
	-- A newly-divorced guy I met at a block party
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Random Peeve
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:30:41 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Aug17.011942.3386@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, allane@earth.gas.unsw.OZ.AU.gas.unsw.OZ.AU (Allan Evans) writes:
> "Guess whoo" from ac.dal.ca writes:
> 
> It is a tale
> Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury;
> Signifying nothing.
> 
> 		-William Shakespeare, Macbeth.
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 

Oh, and here's one for ya, Al:
"Lord, what fools these mortals be!"

	Shakespere, A Midsummer Night's Dream

Gee look at that. I can be as pretentious as Al. *There's* something to strive
for hm....

Mike 
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Accept No Substitutes! (Was: Random Peeve)
Followup-To: alt.flame.spelling
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1992Aug16.130738.7000@ac.dal.ca>
	<1992Aug17.011942.3386@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>
	<1992Aug17.173041.7029@ac.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:49:44 GMT

<In article <1992Aug17.173041.7029@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:


<   Oh, and here's one for ya, Al:
<   "Lord, what fools these mortals be!"

<	   Shakespere, A Midsummer Night's Dream
	   ^^^^^^^^^^

	Who dat "Shakespere" guy? Is this another of Roger Bacon's
	hamhanded imitations?

<Gee look at that. I can be as pretentious as Al. 

	Sentence fragment. Duh.

<*There's* something to strive
<for hm....

	ObPeeve: poorly done citations.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: esther@verdix.com (Esther Lumsdon)
Subject: Re: 3rd shift and the real world
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:15:10 GMT

When I was in high school, my mother worked 3rd shift 3 nights per week (nurse)
and several day shifts per week.

Well, my older sister skipped school once, and was caught.  Thereafter,
any time that one of us was absent (even if we notified the school in
advance), the Attendance Dean (or twit) called our home at 0930 to inform
my mother that a child was absent, and did she know?

My mother explained numerous times that she worked nights, she trusted her
children, etc..., to no avail.  And in 1977-1980, we did not have an
answering machine.

May the Attendance Dean at my high school someday get a phone number which
used to belong to a BBS!
-- 
------ Esther Lumsdon   employed by, not speaking for, Verdix Corporation
     It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.
  esther@verdix.com  or  esther%verdix.com@uunet.uu.net
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: subject
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:19:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Aug14.081709.18847@nuscc.nus.sg> eng20015@nusunix2.nus.sg (GOH KING SHY) writes:
>
>	What is the topic of discussion for this newsgroup?
>
>  -jinX.
>   eng20015@nusunix1.nus.sg

Lord Thundering Jesus.

Please, not again, the last time this happened it was peeving to
my soul...This time it will just be tedious.

-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Political Peeves
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:12:53 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <41921@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:
=>
=>What was really rich was that many of these people were ex-pats who weren't
=>so much talking of emigrating as of not coming home. Where were they
=>working? That well known People's Paradise and Bastion Of The Socialist
=>Worker's State, the USA. Laughable. Apparently all-out capitalism was fine
=>with them as long as it happened in someone else's country.

Maybe they just prefer to live somewhere where capitalism is more effectively
implemented than it is in Toryland, and where there is relatively little
language difficulty?

-- 
==================================================================
-Jeremy Henderson            |  Une souris verte
 egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk	     |  Qui courrait dans l'herbe
==================================================================
From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Brookside
Date: 18 Aug 92 10:52:47 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <24931@castle.ed.ac.uk> tjc@castle.ed.ac.uk (A J Cunningham) writes:
=>egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:
=>
=>>In article <9208171452.AA08344@merlin.comlab.ox.ac.uk> Gordon.Riddell@prg.oxford.ac.uk writes:
=>
=>>=>Margaret is also not a catholic,
=>
=>>Oh yeah? So what's she doing "worshipping" in a Catholic Church?
=>
=>She's eyeing up the talent :-) 

I remain unconvinced. Anyone with conclusive proof of Margaret's religeon
should present it forthwith.

=>BrooksidePeeve 1: Sammy and Owen are back together. If I were Owen I
=>would have bludgeoned the whinging bitch nine months ago.

...and run off with Katie, almost like Woody Allen.

=>BrooksidePeeve 2: Anna, the nice bit of Polish totty, looks certain to
=>be written out.

This is a MegaPeeve. No more well-filled T-shirts.

BrooksideTrivium: Josie was played by the sister of well-known Olympic loser
Colin Jackson.



-- 
==================================================================
-Jeremy Henderson            |  Une souris verte
 egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk	     |  Qui courrait dans l'herbe
==================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Mall of America or whatever it is
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 09:52:50 GMT

Elaine Richards (booter@Autodesk.COM) wrote:
: 
: It initially disgusted me until I found out where it was located.  Its
: in Minnesota. Minnesota is populated by Native AMericans (lived there
: for 30,000 years+) and various Caucasians of Viking extraction.  WHen I
: went to Minnesota years ago, I saw one Black kid. He was parka-ed so
: heavily, he looked like the Goodyear blimp with a little boy head on
: top.  Only VIkings and natives can live there. The place is exceedingly
: cold in the winter.
 
Yes, but we can BREATHE THE AIR.

: I don't blame them, really. I would not want to carry packages while
: skating on ice.
: 
: Of course, I solved that by living in California.

I guess 'problem' is a relative term.  I'd much rather put up with a bit of
discomfort a few DAYS out of the year (when it's REALLY cold) than to put
up with Califonian attitude, climate, and environment.
 
: Hm. Maybe the mall is a !Peeve. If they are happy in their warm 
: climate-controlled pseudo-environment, they won't come and live here
: and jack up real esate prices.
 
The reason you have the jacked-up real estate prices & smog is that there
are TOO MANY CALIFORNIANS.  If someone moves in to CA from civilization
(read: anywhere else), it is merely because they don't know any better.
Why ANYBODY would want to live in an overcrowded, smoggy, crime-ridden,   
unstable (mentally, geologically, etc.), crackpot infested state, is totally
beyond me.

We don't have to bring our water in from hundreds of miles away, we have
an agriculture system that can support itself and the region, we have four
different seasons, and we have very few Californians.

Oh, and we don't have Ronald Reagan, Jerry Brown, and Richard Nixon living
here either.  

: ER

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinz@picard.med.ge.com
From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: gobbledygook
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:36:29 GMT
Distribution: alt.peeves
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory


Peevers, even though I'm an evil technologist, and a curmudgeon, I find 
myself longing for the simpler, gentler days when we could actually
communicate by the written word.

Today, thanks to the wonders of electronics, I find myself confronted with
a message on my email, to ponder over my morning coffee:

	[ preceeding info deleted ... ] 

 "ABSTRACT

  The connectionist problem of achieving the quantificational effect of
  symbolic variables is well recognized.  However, one relatively
  neglected issue is that of variables in working memory representations
  (arising, for instance, from natural language inputs), as opposed to
  variables in rules.  Working memory variables present difficulties,
  centering on the arbitrariness of the set of variables used in any
  given expression, and on non-uniformity in expressions and
  manipulations.  However, the variables can in principle be avoided,
  for instance by using logical combinators.  These are special
  functions much studied within the symbol processing arena.  The use of
  combinators makes structures less arbitrary and more uniform.  The
  reduced arbitrariness ameliorates an important systematicity problem,
  and the added uniformity could facilitate high-level parallelism.  We
  do not claim that the combinator approach is definitely the right one
  to adopt, because of some problems.  Nevertheless, combinators need to
  be borne in mind, and the symbolic/connectionist debate has been
  over-simplified in ignoring them.  We discuss several ways in which
  combinator-based working memory items could be implemented in
  connectionism, with special attention to reduced-representation
  implementations.  We also compare the combinator approach with the
  technique of using canonical sets of variables in expressions. "

Now, I wonder if my fellow peevers are experiencing the same kind of
excitement I did on first reading the message! 

And doesn't it make you want to run down the author(s) and try to hire
them to promote your company's latest product! (Unfortunately, they will
be literally sucked up by the U.S. Government and employeed to write
summaries of congressional studies for publication..)

   (..)
    ~~

Catch my eyes!

L.
"Yeh, Buddy..            | larry@psl.nmsu.edu (Larry Cunningham)|  _~~_
 I've got your COMPUTER! | % Physical Science Laboratory        | (O)(-)
 Right HERE!!"           | New Mexico State University          |  /..\ 
 (computer THIS!)        | Las Cruces, New Mexico, USA 88003    |   <> 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are CORRECT, mine, and not PSLs or NMSUs..
I saw God. He rides a motorcycle. He's coming back soon, and He's real pissed.
From: egev05@castle.ed.ac.uk (B A Page)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: gnrgghhhrarrh
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:24:12 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <24829@castle.ed.ac.uk> scott@festival.ed.ac.uk (Scott Larnach) writes:
>egev05@castle.ed.ac.uk (B A Page) writes:
>>Babs ... turns on the machine. A jet of water+slurry ... plastering
>>me ... with a thick layer of light brown goo.
>
>Cwoooaaahhhrr! Come on Babs! don't keep us in suspense. When are
>you going to post the GIF?

What's it worth?

Actually, I bumped into a geophysicist shortly after I posted the above
peeve, who said 

"It can't have been a geophysicist because geophysicists don't have
rocks".  

Now, I thought this was singularly courageous of him.  After all not
many men would admit such a personal problem to a colleague.  I'm
intrigued, Ian.  Does this mean that geophysicists can't make babies? 
Or do you have a specially adapted willy?

Yours sincerely

Bemused, Edinburgh.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves