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From: mdk34398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Beaker)
Subject: Re: Yet another request for Cornerstone address
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:32:57 GMT

danielg@med.unc.edu (Daniel G. Sinclair) writes:
>I can't wait for the monthly FAQ!  Somebody please email me the address
>for Cornerstone Magazine so I can subscribe...
From the 20th Anniversary issue I just received:
Cornerstone
920 W. Wilson Ave.
Chicago, IL 60640
312-989-2096

In this issue (Vol. 21 Iss 99):
How Do I Deal with the Pain? -- For those feeling hurt by Mke Warnke's (and
  others') failures.
I Have Decided To Follow Jesus -- Odds & Ends from JPUSA's scrapbook
THe String Of Christianity -- How much of a gamble is it to trust Jesus
Living in Community
Star -- A personal story
Fest-O-Rama! -- Ten years of Cornerstone Festival
Warnke Responds to Cornerstone, Landis Responds to Warnke -- The aftermath of
  last issue's article (Warnke didn't really address the issues)
Interview: The Rolling Stones (not really much of an interview)
Cornerstone '93 info. Dates: July 1-4. Current cost: $45 before 12/31
Plus all of the regular features (no Oboe though)...

All (comments) are mine.

Mike Krupicka
beaker@uiuc.edu
As a dog returns to his vomit, so does a properly thrown boom-a-rang.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: umrobe57@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Ken A. Roberge)
Subject: Discographies (sp?)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Distribution: World
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:11:41 GMT

	Hello all, I was wondering if someone could suggest a couple ftp
sites where I could find some Christian music discographies.. It's
probably the easiest way for me to find a couple bands to try and the
albums as well..  Thanks,

Ken

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: KLOVE...(was A word from our sponsor?!?)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:14:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Doug Claar (dclaar@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com) wrote:
: They went off the air for awhile, but received enough money to continue
: until December.  But they are still short.  KLOVE plays contemporary
: christian music 24 hours a day.  Because of the frequency they use, they
: must be listener-supported (no commercials), and they've been having
: trouble getting the bread (who isn't?).  They can be heard in parts of
: Washington, Oregon, and Northern California.  If you are in those areas,

not anymore - the Oregon station (that serves Oregon & Washington)
is now independent of KLOVE.  It is now called "Spirit 107.5" and
!is! commercial - i.e., they play commercials in addition to 
receiving listener support.  IMHO, they've improved substantially
since "separating" - I like the slightly more contemporary format
better and they seem to be more stable (less "if you don't send
us money now, we'll go under & it'll be all your fault") than we
seemed to get with KLOVE.  They are also much more local - I hear
about concerts, events, weather, news from Portland instead of
Santa Rosa.  All in all, I'm glad they split.

: call the 800 number and ask if they are on in your area.  KLOVE is a
: bunch of transmitters and repeaters linked together, so they have
: different frequencies all over the place.
: 
: ==Doug

Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver
From: uscream@mcl.ucsb.edu (Screamin' Diane d.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: 77's new album
Keywords: 77's
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:27:36 GMT

Ok, kids, its time to stir the waters of controversy.  What do ya'll think of
the new 77's album.  I'm talking lyrically, musically, the cover--everything.
Dissappointed, glad, sad, frusdtrated, praying that they'll get saved???
Wondering if they cover is indicative of their having joined a thrill-kill
cult?  Wondering of Roe has become a guru??  Tell me, tell me.  I will
express no opinion until I have given others a chance to.  I already know
what I think.  I don't want to get flamed for it.  Might be fun to have all of
you guessing though...  What do ya'll think about the group wanting to call
the album Pray Naked and not being allowed to by BAI or Word??  The waters
of controversy...
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mdw@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mark.d.wuest)
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:14:09 GMT

Person A:
>I think it is wrong to read secular literature, etc...

Person B:
>We need to understand where people are...

Paul:
>To the [personality xxx], I became [personality xxx] to win the
>[personality xxx].  I have become all things to all men so that
>by all possible means, I might save some.

I hope I'm not being too cryptic here.  Let me spell it out:  as long
as it doesn't lead us to sin, it is our responsibility to meet people
where they are.  An example:  I disciple two guys.  One is a NY Yankees
fan (yuk) and all-around sports nut.  The other is an engineer and
basic geek like myself.  Guess which one I relate to more easily?  So,
now I follow the Yankees, occasionally tease my friend when they lose
(which is often, but I *know*) and do my best to be his friend.  Am
I being exceptional to try and relate to him?  No, I am just being
a Christian.  Discipleship 101 stuff, ya know?

Mark
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From: tef@sei.cmu.edu (Tracey Fox)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Bob Dylan's "Slow Train Coming"
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:57:28 GMT
Organization: The Software Engineering Institute



Sorry my words offended you, Andy (or anyone else) ... but it really was
something I believed in my heart.

I can't prove anything, but isn't that the nature of faith: it's a statement
of what you believe. Any if you think I have wronged Dylan (which
obviously you have), then the Lord will fight his battle, not you!  

Maybe the problem is I don't have enough love in my heart as you Andy.


Sincerely,

Tracey Fox


P.S.  Maybe this is not the time to say this, but may we all remember our
blessing this Thanksgiving Day.
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Geoff Moore & the Distance
Date: 21 Nov 92 15:39:18 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

> 
> Just recently got their new CD "A Friend Like U".  It is the first
> recording of their's that I have heard and I *really* like it.  I
> was wondering if there are other fans of them in netland that would
> let me know something about them and their previous recordings, 
> cause I'm interested in getting some moore.  :-)

Some "moore"!  HA HA HA!  

Geoff Moore and the Distance have had a few before this new one, and Geoff (by
himself) has others before that.  This newest one is by far the most country
sounding of all his stuff.  "A Friend Like You" is very pop/country.  

The one right before this new one (I can't remember the name of it!?!) was 
fairly mellow of an album.  I fits in the range of pop/folk/rock/country...
somewhere in there. 

"Foundations" was my favorite.  It got a lot of airplay 2 years ago.  It's of
the folk/rock style and the one that I would check out next.

"A Place To Stand" is my second favorite of his.  It's all pop/rock and is very
uplifting for a rock album.  I take it back, I would check this one out next!


Anyway, I'm not the best at explaining what an album sounds like in writing. 
Hope this helped a little.  

> Thanks!!!
> -- 
> 
> Tim Foster 
> E-mail: tfoster@viewlogic.com 

Evan Marshall
marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when....
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:54:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1eatb8INNaot@transfer.stratus.com> markc@eomer.hw.stratus.com (Mark Christensen) writes:
>that's pretty much it.  There are two places I get much of my
>music from.
>
>Majesty Music in Greenville S.C. and
>Sacred Music Ministries in Greenville S.C.

This isn't a flame or anything, but another ob Steve Taylor quote just popped
into my mind.  (Gee, Steve sure seems to have a lot to say on this issue.  I
wonder why...)

'Turn the radio on to a down-home drawl
 hear a brylcreem prophet with a message for y'all
 'I have found a new utensil in the devil's toolbox
 and the heads are gonna roll if Jesus rocks
 it's of a worldly design!  God's music should be divine!
 try buying records like mine-avoid temptation'

 Guilty By Association

 So you say it's 'of the devil' and we've got no choice
 because you heard a revelation from the 'still small voice' [psst-hey you!]
 if the Bible doesn't back it then it seems quite clear
 perhaps it was the devil who whispered in your ear'

    --Steve Taylor (prophet supreme),'Guilty by Association'

JRjr
-- 
'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: harling@miki.pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: CCM Urban Legend?  "A mighty Fortress" evolved a from drinking song
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:27:08 GMT

In article <1egn2pINNd21@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu writes:
>I have heard in many places that "A Mighty Fortress" and other great hymns
>were set to the tunes of popular drinking songs of their day.  The idea
>is very appealing to all of us who are into Christian rock and want to 
>justify it to those who would say it's "of the Devil" or whatever.

Ulterior motive?  I would like to think that I am more honest with
myself than that, especially in matters of faith, but then I'll grant
you that self-deception is hard to detect unless you're always looking
for it.  Nevertheless, the references I have seen to supporting
evidence suggest to me that this is more than a legend.


>Have any of you seen any evidence that this notion is more than a
>"CCM urban legend"?  Have you ever seen the name of the particular
>drinking song that some great hymn (in particular, "A Mighty Fortress") was  
>taken from?  Or is it just the generic "Many of the great hymnwriters took
>their tunes from bawdy bar songs" that we have heard so many times that we
>begin to accept it as truth?   

I have no first-hand evidence, as I am not a Hymnologist or historian,
but even the folks I know with scholarship in this area acknowledge
that this song, in particular, was taken from a bar room tune.
Adopting melodies and lyrics from other works was quite common in the
past, so this fact is not at all surprising.


>I used to believe the famous Jimi Hendrix quote about Phil Keaggy;  I had  
>heard it from so many places.  It seems clear now that this is a "CCM urban  
>legend".   Could the origin of the tune of "A Mighty Fortress" be one also? 
>I have no evidence that the story is false, but i also have no evidence that  
>it is true  

In addition to music, even the *words* in several Psalms echo the
imagery found in poetry of that period, including poetry from other
religions.  Psalm 104, in particular, is quite similar in imagery to
the Egyptian "Hymn to Re".  While I have not seen it myself, and I
don't have the references on hand, the similarity between the two texts
is striking.  God is depicted in much the same way as the sun god Re in
the respective writings.

This similarity (and the one about "Mighty Fortress) was pointed out to
me by my pastor, who is also a seminary professor, and somewhat of an
Old Testament expert.  He is rather scholarly: not the type to accept a
legend without researching it.  If you want, I can ask him to document
his sources, if he still has them around.
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill)
Subject: Re: What is art?  (was: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:04:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.215619.9395@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> crow@coos.dartmouth.edu
(Preston F. Crow) writes:
>I would tend to disagree here.  I find that the more of a challenge a
>song is to understand, the more I enjoy it.  The songs that I listen to
>the most are the ones that I have trouble understanding.  Once I know
>what's being said or can fully anticipate the music, I am no longer as
>excited about the song.

My experience of music enjoyment is different.  For me, I tend to enjoy
more the songs I understand.  This isn't so difficult with mainstream
CCM groups like Petra or Whiteheart, but it's a bit harder for Christians
singing in the secular market.  F'rinstance, I find my enjoyment of the
song "Dream in my Life" (King's X) much enhanced by my understanding of
what the metaphor stands phor (sorry!).  On the other hand, I like Sam
Phillips' songs from _TIW_ and _CI_, but full enjoyment of them is
reduced if I don't know what they mean.  I think it's because I want to
know, for every song, what sets it apart from a secular viewpoint; how
it represents a Christian world view.

This is not to debate or disagree with you, just to share with you my
point of view.

			--Michael

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: kroth@david.wheaton.edu (Ken Roth)
Subject: Re: Pad Thai
Keywords: One Bad Pig
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 12:27:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.033033.3498@Princeton.EDU> adgoetz@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Andrew David Goetz) writes:
>Anyone out there have any idea what the words Pad Thai mean?  This 
>is a song by One Bad Pig, and I am extremely interested in what 
>this means.  The whole song goes as such:
>When my brain starts to fry...
>it time to go and get Pad Thai
>Pad Thai
>Pad Thai
>Pad Thai 

Pad Thai is the name of a Vietnamese restaurant that was (I believe) right
down from the recording studio where the album was recorded.  I can't remember
where I saw this, but I heard it from the Paul himself.

BYW Folks...'A Mighty Fortress' IS from a bar song.  Just plain fact.

>adg

Ken

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mdk34398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Beaker)
Subject: Re: hymns
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:01:45 GMT
Keywords: TANGENT virus at bottom of post BEWARE

snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>Can you get hymnbooks with chords?  
I just bought one this past weekend at an InterVarsity Christian Fellowship
conference. The name of it is Hymns II. It contains both piano and chords.
Hymns II is put out by InterVarsity Press, Downers Grove, IL. 60515
ISBN 0-87784-898-X
They had a special deal on the hardcovers (I got it for $4.50) I think the
regular price is < $15. I don't remember. It is also available in a spiral
bound (which is much nicer for anyone trying to play an instrument).

If you want choruses, most of the major publishers (Integrity/Hosanna!,
Maranatha, Vineyard) put out books with both piano and chords.

But be warned. Every once in a while. The chords and the piano music are not
in the same key. (Kinda annoying)

Mike Krupicka
beaker@uiuc.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: young_dick@macmail2.rtsg.mot.com (Dick Young)
Subject: Re: America (was Re: Rachel, Rachel)
Organization: Motorola, Inc. (Cellular Infrastructure)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:29:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.145518.7546@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>, conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Nov16.142824.12940@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
> >In article <676.UUL1.3#5131@mvac23.UUCP> thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp) writes:
> > 
> >>This made me think of another story I heard once.  I'd be interested
> >>in knowing if there is any truth to it, or whether it is just an
> >>Urban Legend.  I want to say I heard it from an interview with
> >>one of the original band members, but I cannot recall now if it
> >>was or not.
> >>
> >>Here's the story.  The rock group America were Christians at first
> >>and prayed that if God would make them famous, they would use their
> >>fame to spread His word.  Sure enough, their popularity increased
> >>and at first they did stay true to their prayer.  However, as
> >>popularity increased even more and they become very well known,
> >>they forgot about their promise to God and just looked toward
> >>themselves as the source of their fame.  But then, God also
> >>saw that they broke their promise, and soon after their fame
> >>and fortune took a turn downhill and they fell into obscurity
> >>once again.
> >>
> >>Anyone else here this?
> >
> >I'd say it's more in the category of Urban Legend. 
> >
> >>                         - tom
> >>--
> >>internet     : mvac23!thomas@udel.edu  or  thomas%mvac23@udel.edu (home)
> >>             : lapp@cdhub1.dnet.dupont.com (work)
> >>OSI          : C=US/A=MCI/S=LAPP/D=ID=4398613
> >>uucp         : {ucbvax,mcvax,uunet}!udel!mvac23!thomas
> >>Location     : Newark, DE, USA
> >
> >Andy Whitman
> >AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
> >att!cblpn!ajw  or
> >ajw@cblpn.att.com
> 
> I think one thing that may contribute to this legend is their song
> "Silver Cup".  The words to the popular version are:
> "Don't give up until you drink from a silver cup
> And ride that highway in the sky" or something to that effect.
> I've since heard a version that sounds remarkably like the original,
> except the words are changed to:
> "Don't give up until you drink from a silver cup
> And give your life to Jesus Christ".  I have no idea who sings this
> second version, but a friend of mine told me that the original words
> were actually the Jesus Christ version and they were changed to make
> it more popular.  Does anyone know the truth to this legend?
> 
> Paul Conditt
> 
>
Paul,
Dan Peek, one of the members of America, and writer of the song you refer to
(actually called Lonely People, I believe...) either became a Christian or
re-dedicated himself during the 80s, and came out with several albums on
Christian labels.  The song which I heard the most of on Christian radio was
his re-writing of Lonely People...EXACTLY along the same lines as Mark Farner's
re-write of Somekind of Wonderful.

Dick Young
Motorola, Inc.
Arlington Heights, IL
From: math1rb@elroy.uh.edu (92F07486)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: What do you do when your child thinks Metallica is cool?
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:58:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <nestabro.721661764@nova>, nestabro@nova.gmi.edu (Noel Estabrook) writes...
> 
>nothing by Lewis, Spurgeon, Smalley, etc.  What I mean is a total imbalance.
>I go into people rooms with posters of rock groups (secular) and such, but
>no mention of Jesus on their walls.
> 
>One of the most faulty arguments for "secular" things is that, "well, they
>talk about _real_ life, and _real_ problems that we can't just _hide 
>I don't think it's individual at all.  God told us what is worldly in his
>Word.  If millions of people in the world hold something in high esteem,
>there's a good  chance it's not of God (since the world doesn't appreciate
>the things which are of God).

I really don't have a problem with what you are saying, but I what I am
objecting to, and have all along is the "exclusion priciple" that many
on here seem to preach, which is "if you don't do it this way ("my" way)
then its wrong. I know what comes next, its not "my" way, its "God's" way.
I mean not all sects of christianity teach the same things obviously, heck
not even individual churches within the same sect teach the same things. SO
now back to the "music" of this.....
 I suppose that becuase alot of these "wrong" bands threw a benefit for
AIDS, and was alrgely supported by people all over the world that it is
wrong also. Of course I suppose that AIDS is God's punishment for
homosexuals and drug users...never mind that the babies are born with
it. 

> 
> 
>--
>Noel Estabrook			|	Your religion is what you
>nestabro@nova.gmi.edu         --|--     do after the sermon is over.
>Instructional Design & Tech.    |     
>Michigan State University       |               Romans 12:2
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From: rich@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Sybase)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Becker
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:59:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: darkstar.1eehssINN1nf
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <98047@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>Anyone familiar with Margaret Becker?  I saw a CD of hers the other day,
>which was produced and arranged by Charlie Peacock.  I've heard of him but
>not her.  What's she like?
She's good, really good.  I highly Recommend the Album.
Rich
rich@cats.ucsc.edu