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From: deb@spectra (David Barrett)
Subject: Synchonistic symbology
Summary: Modular understanding
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:48:13 GMT



A little Help:

The mind of man understands the external and internal environments of
himself and the rest of the universe in comparisons to reference 
standards or familiar entities to his/her own minds.  Simple concepts
are easily put into perspective within the conscious mind without
swapping the center of thought.  When concepts become complex, the 
mind has to flip channels so to speak to hold all the information in
perspective to the central purpose (gathering all the particulars of the
subject to one view).  The mind is constantly trying to reduce concepts to
briefer references to use in the comparative process.  The method of
symbology is the most natural manner which the mind uses (modularizing
complex mechanisms for purposes of comparison leading to functional use
and quicker conclusion).  Astrology is a highly complex subject but also is
highly symbolized to abbreviate the complex characterizations into symbols
to aid description of the real active reality.  Descriptive language is best
when it is brief and yet complete to center attention to something, someone
or some activity.  The act of science is to discover not only physically but
spiritually the interaction of all the parts of some phenomemon in the physical
and spiritual universe consciously known to humanity.  The tool of modeling in
simple form for the purposes of understanding (and control) is very effective.
Every area of science has its modeling and language to process the data to 
some secure result.  Astrology, when it is viewed with this perspective, is
probably one of the most effective uses of symbology ever developed and used
by mankind.  It helps us know ourselves, our universe, our origins and our
destinations a little better than just groping around in the dark.  It's not
a religion, a philosophy or a fantasy.  It's just a simple and encouraging
tool.  Without it we may only be left with the fear of the unknown and the 
desperate acts for security and knowledge.  Both are within each one of us.  
You only have to find it.

:-}

dB
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: The New President
Date: 7 Nov 1992 00:31:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Dave,

     Glad you could come up with the information Carol needed.
However I must say that "President Clinton" sounds worlds better
than "President Bush"! :-)

Linda
From: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL ASSASSINATIONS
Date: 10 Nov 1992 11:57:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson) says:

>Unfortunately, she did not attribute the prediction to astrology
>or to others, but to her own psychic powers (as I recall). Those
>powers actually appear to be quite limited.
>
>
>Maggie
>

Her powers may be limited now, but it would be interesting to see her
chart to find out if transits during that period would have increased
any latent abilities she might have.  I know that I've experienced
heightened psychic ability when Neptune was opposing my ruling planet
(Uranus).  Perhaps the same is true of Jeanne Dixon.

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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: astrolog@byron.u.washington.edu (Astrolog)
Subject: Re: *** QUESTION REGARDING CALCULATION OF TRANSITS IN ASTROLOG ***
Summary: Default Longitude and Latitude
Keywords: Astrolog
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:31:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.131517.19067@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cjh@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Carol J. Hughes) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.164754.44446@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
>sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
>>
>>Astrolog has a "built in" latitude and longitude that comes from
>>either the astrolog.dat file if one exists, or from a compilation
>>constant.  To change the default latitude, either edit the
>>astrolog.dat file, or use the -l <long> <lat> option on the command
>>line.
>>-- 
>There are DEFAULT_LONG and DEFAULT_LAT in the astrolog.h file.
>Does Astrolog use this info?  If so, why does Astrolog ask for
>the latitude and longitude if you run it without specifying
>a file of birth info.
>jh

Astrolog uses this default location when you give it the -n "generate
chart for current moment now" switch. With this option, the program
will print out a chart and not prompt you for anything more. Now, when
it does this, what location will it use? It uses whatever the
"default" values are, i.e. the compiled in values, which can be
overridden by the astrolog.dat default if there, both of which may be
overridden if the user uses the -l switch. Actually, the -n and
related "here and now" charts (e.g. pressing "N" in the X window), are
the only place where the program uses these defaults. Note that if the
TIME compile variable is commented out (removing the -n switch), the
-l switch will go away with it. Every place else the program will
either already know (such as with files) or will prompt you to enter
the location for the program to use. The other major default is the
default time zone, which is also defined in astrolog.h, in the
astrolog.dat file, or may be explicitly stated with the -z switch;
however, this value is used in more places, such as to base the -T
transit, -d aspect-in-day, and -E ephemeris listing times on.

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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich)
Subject: Re: Blue*Star software
Organization: Vision Graphics
			  Dover, NH
			  USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:45:49 GMT
Reply-To: morwyn.uucp!forrie@unhtel.unh.edu (Forrest Aldrich - SysAdmin)

From article <1992Nov6.141339.27988@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>,
banghartr@clvax1.cl.msu.edu has written:
+--------------------
| In article <1992Nov4.125434.23827@morwyn.uucp>, forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes...
| >I called Matrix software for information about these Blue*Star packages...
| > 
| >According to the guy I spoke with, these are written in compiled basic,
| >and thus are only available for the IBM-PC class machines (MessyDOS).  I
| >asked about the possibility of porting them to UNIX (similarly, there
| >are basic packages around) and he didn't seem to enthused... plus the
| >graphics portion would be hell, I am sure...
| 
| Graphics?!?  In Blue*Star?!?!?  I sure haven't seen any.
| 
| It's entirely character based, as far as I've seen.
| 
+--------------------

	Geez. 

	Sorry, I didn't realize that..  the pamphlet that was sent to me from
	Matrix had a lot of graphs and so forth.  I just checked and they
	are all printed out. 

	I wonder of the portability.  That was what I asked about.


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From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Astrology real, yeah right!
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:50:17 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Nov9.094059.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, stancad@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
> How can anybody take strology seriously? Unless you're either dumb or
> desperate. Astrology is only a scheme to make money; it has no real use even if
> it did work.
> 
> Nostradamus (I probably spelt this wrong, but then who cares!)
> 
> 

 Actually sir, I think that you are quite right ! It does not make sense at all
 to cannibals, Hannibals and animals. Unfortunately, humans no matter how much
 wary they are, may/ may not appreciate astrology - but only thru' careful use
 of the faculty of reason.

   - dc 

  O ! I forgot ! This subject is also abhorred by in general by persons having
  a nihilistic attitude towards life. Moreover, as I know, taking the name of
  Nostradamus in vain may cause you to meet unexpected grief when it is totally
  needless and will give you enough financial headaches - resulting in 
  permanent migrane headaches. Thus spake Nostradamus :-)   
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: deb@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Subject: Questions & Answers
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:26:51 GMT

With permission, I am posting questions emailed to me.


>  Could you please tell me what does "stationary" mean.

The diffence of motion of any other planet to the earth.  Stationary means the
distance between earth and another planet is not changing to any perceptible
degree (It really is).  Think of the ball thrown up in the air and the 
transition between going up and down.  That's a relative stationary. 

> 
> Also, what exactly is "retrograde"
> 
> 
When the relative motion between earth and another planet has the other planet
appearing to be moving backwards.  Astrology references all data to earth being
a fixed point.  Because it is really moving, the other planets at some point(s)
in their orbits will appear to be gaining or losing distance on the earth.  In
Astrology forward motion is the full description of the planetary symbol and
retrograde is a more behind-the-scenes activity or expression of the symbol.
Stationary is a vunerable point where the characteristic of the planet is at
it's weakest representation.  It takes greater effort of balance at the point oftransition than when in movement (basic physics).


dB
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: The New President
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 5 Nov 1992 14:49:48 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx48.cis.brown.edu

Does William Clinton have any middle names?  I don't recall seeing anything
in print - does someone on the list have access to a Whos Who?  

When I have definite information, I am planning to process a numerology
report for the new President and combine it with the Professional Natal
Report and, include a list of transits for the few days surrounding
inauguration day.  The transit list will be processed in both: 1. the
standard text and 2. the relationship text.

  Copies will be prepared (duplexed to save postage weight & trees) for
mailing.  There will be a preparation/handling charge which I will keep
modest if I receive a positive response from a few people.  

Reading through the reports and transit list (which will include Clinton's
natal chart) will allow you to see the structure and format of the Prof.
Natal Report,  Numerology and list of transits to a natal chart should you
care to order your own reports.

Mrs. Clinton's birth data is available therefore I could produce a CONTACT
report upon request as as separate item.  Again this would allow one to see
what the reports are all about - Contact discusses the relationship between
two people and runs 25 to 30 pages and includes the natal charts.

I would appreciate some comments regarding your interest in the above
project.

Thanks and regards, Carol Egan  

ps - I am still planning to look at the secondary progressions.  Just
looking at the solar arc Sun coming to Clinton's Venus is absolutely
amazing!  Have you measured this in your own chart?
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: banghartr@clvax1.cl.msu.edu (Rick Banghart, IPTV)
Subject: Re: Blue*Star software
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: banghartr@clvax1.cl.msu.edu
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date:  6 NOV 92 09:11:54    

In article <1992Nov4.125434.23827@morwyn.uucp>, forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich) writes...
>I called Matrix software for information about these Blue*Star packages...
> 
>According to the guy I spoke with, these are written in compiled basic,
>and thus are only available for the IBM-PC class machines (MessyDOS).  I
>asked about the possibility of porting them to UNIX (similarly, there
>are basic packages around) and he didn't seem to enthused... plus the
>graphics portion would be hell, I am sure...

Graphics?!?  In Blue*Star?!?!?  I sure haven't seen any.

It's entirely character based, as far as I've seen.

Rick
> 
>Oh well...
> 
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From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: PRESIDENTIAL ASSASSINATIONS
Date: 10 Nov 1992 09:11:39 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


What the superstion is, is that any President elected in a 0 year
will die in office.  It never said the President will necessarily
die by assassination.

Some deaths have been natural, some not.  But President Reagen
did indeed break the chain.

Hope this helps.
Linda :-)
From: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Blue Star & Laser Printers
Date: 9 Nov 1992 22:06:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu



Do you need a special driver to use a laser printer with Blue Star, or a
completely different version of Blue Star?

Sandy
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From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: The New President
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:42:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Carol,
     RE your question about Clinton's middle name-on one of the
news programs it was stated that he has two middle names, the 
second being Blythe (don't know the correct spelling. Maybe
someone else can come up with the names.

Linda
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Baby-Boomers on the Move
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:30:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Dear Maggie,

     Read your post and am moved to reply.  As one of the almost
old farts, (56) I would like to say "don't throw the baby out with 
the bath water!"  I concur with your sentiments about Clinton-Gore
and Perot.  However, along with all the freedom comes responsibility.

    The younger generations have also brought with them thousands
of unwanted babies, Aids, yuppies who's only thought is what new
toy they will buy. The list goes on.  There are always two sides
to a story.  Have you ever watched a 12 yr. old give birth or
held a baby who was dying not of any physical neglect but because
the parents who brought her into the world never held her or
talked to her.  In the medical world it is known as Failure to
thrive syndrome.

Learn from the past and keep what is good from the teachings of
those "old farts" and bring on the new.

Linda
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: deb@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (David Barrett)
Subject: Net Guidelines for Peaceful Conversations
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:24:14 GMT

From: taylor@intuitive.com
Newsgroups: news.announce.newusers,news.groups,news.answers
Subject: A Guide to Social Newsgroups 
Reply-To: taylor@intuitive.com
Followup-To: news.newusers.questions

Original-author: taylor@intuitive.com (Dave Taylor)
Last-change: 2 Mar 1992 by taylor@limbo.intuitive.com (Dave Taylor)


	 A Brief Guide to Social Newsgroups 
			    



Disclaimer: some of what is said on Usenet might be offensive to you as
some of the groups discuss topics that are, well, a bit unusual.  
Fortunately it's easy to avoid this problem; don't read that group.  Also
please keep in mind that the more controversial the subject, the more
likely the group is awash in inane, unrelated discussion, partially
due to the nature of the Usenet community and partially perhaps due to 
how uncomfortable most people are with these subjects.

To reiterate this point, please do NOT join a group to find a forum for
arguing or demonstrating righteous indignation over a particular belief,
behavior, or desire.  Those discussions are almost always completely
inappropriate and the more controversial the subject, the more likely
the participants in a group are going to dislike judgemental postings.
Also, there is a good chance that you have misunderstood either the
offending article or the responses of other readers.  In other words,
you may well be alone in your indignation.

***************************************************************************

The above is quoted from news.announce.newusers

Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: phys224@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Astrology real, yeah right!
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:16:02 GMT

In response to stancad.Why does any superstitious person believe in their
own personal world view?because it gives them comfort;they no longer need
to make their own decisions,mystical forces are at least partly responsible
for their actions and thoughts,they don't even need to come up with their own
morality. Its the same with the myraid of organised religions,they all
believe in their own diety,all basically disagree,many would gladly kill
each other (and the rest of us!) to enforce their beliefs. Science instead
tried to be objective,and has proven incredibly successful thus far in
explaining much about our universe,allowing us to build amazing new
technology,etc.
Lighten up on them!most are happy to debate stuff,unfortuantly some don't
want to,maybe they don't want their faith shaken up,etc.
So long as they don't try to teach young children their philospohy,whats
wrong with them?the people who pay money to go see them,thats their concern,
if they haven't got any sense by the time they're grown up,they deserve to get
suckered in.

l.l.a.p.
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: The New President
Date: 7 Nov 1992 00:22:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Carol,

     As Dave stated in a previous post, Clinton's name is an
adoptive last name, since when his mother remarried, her new
husband adopted him and Clinton was the new husband's last name.

     The newspapers carried this story several times so an inquiry
to one of them may give you the information you need.

Linda
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: The New Pres/Project
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:10:50 GMT
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Organization: Brown University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx44.cis.brown.edu

In article <1992Nov8.105125.6259@csd.uwe.ac.uk>, as_radfo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (AS
Radford) wrote:
> 
> 
> Your project sounds very interesting.  Looking forward to your report.
> 
> Have you considered looking at the charts of Prince Charles/Princess Di
> to see if they suggest anything related to the scandal sheets' current
> obsession?

The project will take place using the info received through the net.  I
will use the numerology as follows:  William Jefferson Blythe for birth
name and for just a name only report: William J. Clinton.  If anyone knows
of any changes, please notify me.  I will probably run the information this
weekend and have it ready for mailing next week.  Anyone who is interested
should send name/address and check/money order for $6.00 to:
             Gemini Concepts
             8 Harbour Terrace
	            Cranston, RI 02905

Remember, this includes a Professional Natal Report, approx. 25 pages,
Numerology report(a full birth name/date and a partial name), approx. 10
pages, and a list of transits in both standard and relationship text for
several days surrounding the inauguration.  Will mail to you - regular
mail, plain paper, no frills. 

Sorry, I haven't studied the royal charts, but have run a CONTACT report on
them a few years back, to use as a sample.  Aren't they a Capricorn/Taurus
combo?


Regards, Carol

Full moon today - Mercury retro tomorrow!  


        
>
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Uranian Astrology
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 11 Nov 1992 20:35:30 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx44.cis.brown.edu

For those who may be interested, the first two classes of Uranian
Astrology, by Gary Christen of Astrolabe, Inc. have been more than amazing.
 This man is quite a storehouse of a variety of information.  
The Uranian system is discribed as a buffet of thoughts one can pick &
choose from once learned.  Most of the information is derived from the
Hamburg School of Astrology (Germany) and has to do, not with aspects
between planets, but symmetry and arc openings of the planets.  The system
includes the 360 deg. and 90 deg dial work, plus the transneptunian
planets; cosmobiology is included too.  Planetary pictures are developed
and apparantly are very good for predictive work. 

The two classes included a history of Uranian people, Witte, Ebertin and
others and a thorough discussion on coordinate systems and meridian houses.

The system is inclusive, thereby adding to one's knowledge of astrology,
perhaps making one a better astrologer.   

Will keep you posted if interested.  Any other Uranians on the list?  The
NCGR does have a sig - possibly Florida.  

Mercury is retrograde - I have seen people walking in circles.  

Regards, Carol
From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: *** QUESTION REGARDING CALCULATION OF TRANSITS IN ASTROLOG ***
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:47:52 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <Bx92Gp.4BK@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
 "Vinay K. Kansal" <kansal@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
> I recently started using ASTROLOG ( dos version) for calculating transits.
> While calculating transits based on my natal chart, Astrolog does not ask
> for longitude/latitude of my present location. To be more specific, I was
> born in Delhi, India and presently live in Bloomington, Indiana. On the 
> other hand Astrol96 asks for longitude of prsent location  whereas 
> Astro271 asks for both longitude and latitude of present location.

Astrolog has a "built in" latitude and longitude that comes from
either the astrolog.dat file if one exists, or from a compilation
constant.  To change the default latitude, either edit the
astrolog.dat file, or use the -l <long> <lat> option on the command
line.
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E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444
From: pwageman@visual.spk.wa.us (Peggy Wageman)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Vice-President Gore's Birth Info.
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:39:38 GMT
Organization: The Visual Market - Spokane, WA

I'm interested in getting Gore's birth information if anybody has it,
also Hilary Clintons.  Thanks,  Peggy Wageman