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From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (.)
Subject: Re: Germany and racism
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:30:48 GMT

pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
: be won to the idea of building an anti-fasicst movement from 
: below. This requires the construction of a broad political 
: alliance of left organisations, including Young Social Democrats, 
: trade unionists and Greens in which all can cooperate to stop the 
: Nazis, irrespective of their other political convictions. . . 
: Neither the actions of the state nor self-defence against 
: attacks by fasicsts are a substitute for such a mass movement.` 
:      
: Racism in Germany and elsewhere in Europe is the product of two           
: things. First the economic uncertainty and increased competition          
: amongst workers generated by an economic crisis and the                   
         ^^^^^^^^                     				                   
In other words, the fascists are members of the working class, as was the
case with the Nazis. Strange that socialists go about advertising this fact.:
:      
: from "The Socialist" January 1993                                         
:      
: Newspaper of the International Socialist Organisation (Australia)         
:      
: G.P.O. Box 1473N                                                          
: Melbourne VIC 3001                                                        
: Australia                                                                 
:      
: $12 for 12 issues ($20 airmail)                                           
:      
Australia: last refuge of the dinosaur.:  
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From: steven@guava.net.com (Steve Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:24:14 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City, CA

In article <randall.726350080@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>
>I agree that LBJ's lying about the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a terrible
>thing.  However, it did not "lead to our involement in Southeast Asia"-
>we were involved there by the time JFK and LBJ took office.  Both this
>and the Bay of Pigs project were inherited problems from the Ike
>administration.  LBJ's escalation of the war was also done legally through 
>the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, approved unanimously by Congress. 
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^

Not quite.  Senators Ernest Greuning of Alaska and Wayne Morse of Oregon
both voted against, and spoke quite elegantly against, the Gulf of Tonkin 
Resolution.


>-- 
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>Randall Rhea                                        Informix Software, Inc. 
>Project Manager, MIS Sales/Marketing Systems    uunet!pyramid!infmx!randall


Steve                         Roll on you BEARS!!!
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.president.clinton
From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: Execute Amy Fisher!!!
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:27:38 GMT

In article <trimble.726529018@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu> trimble@ph-meter.beckman.uiuc.edu (Chris Trimble) writes:
>mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>
>>>Need I say more?  We've got to do something about murderers!
>
>>Actually Amy Fisher only wounded the woman.  Seriously wounded, but I believe
>>she made a complete recovery.
>
> According to what I've seen on TV (which includes the story told by
> Amy Fisher), the wife had such serious head wounds that she can not
> really function any more.
>

Nope, she's fine.  I saw here and her husband interviewed on one
TV show about all of the movies that are being made.

--
Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com                       _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)
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From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Execute Amy Fisher!!!
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:07:48 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1993Jan8.150808.6452@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:

>Need I say more?  We've got to do something about murderers!

Actually Amy Fisher only wounded the woman.  Seriously wounded, but I believe
she made a complete recovery.

On a side note.  A local talk show host once made this point.

If you have a lesser penalty for attempted murder, than you do for murder,
aren't you rewarding the guy based on his incompetance.
Do we have a lesser penalty for attempted bank robbery?
-- 
Mob rule doesn't become any prettier, just because the mob start to call itself
a government.
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
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From: hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd)
Subject: Re: Execute Amy Fisher!!!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:09:05 GMT

csmith@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith) writes:
>In article <82954@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>>In <1993Jan8.150808.6452@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>>If you have a lesser penalty for attempted murder, than you do for murder,
>>aren't you rewarding the guy based on his incompetance.
>>Do we have a lesser penalty for attempted bank robbery?

>I have been thinking this way for some time. I think there should be only the
>charge of attempted murder, but if found guilty, capital punishment could only
>be handed out if the victim dies. Most states require a separate deliberation
>for capital punishment, anyway.

If I remember correctly, the charge of conspiring to blah blah is more serious
than the charge of actually doing blah blah in the States.  At least I know
that charges of conspiring to block a sidewalk were brought against a bunch 
of annoying protesters since this charge carried a heavier penalty than 
charging them with blocking the sidewalk.
-- 
Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca| Q: Why did the Jungle Fowl cross the road?          |
Behavioural Ecology   | A: To maximize it's lifetime reproductive success   |
Dept.Biol.Sci., SFU.  | Q: Huh?                                             |
Burnaby B.C., Canada  | A: I guess it just needed to get to the other side. |
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From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: The Clinton qualification test.
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:01:16 GMT

                             AMENDMENT XX

    Passed by Congress March 2, 1932. Ratified January 23, 1933.


    SECTION 3.

    If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the
    President, the President-elect shall have died, the Vice
    President-elect shall become President. If a President shall not
    have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his
    term, or if the President-elect shall have failed to qualify, then
    the Vice President-elect shall act as President until a President
    shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the
    case wherein neither a President-elect nor a Vice President-elect
    shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or
    the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such
    person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President
    shall have qualified.


    SECTION 7.

    A person shal be qualified to hold the office of President if
    he has continuously resided within the United States, its
    territories and possesions for a period of at least twenty years 
    of which time ten years must have been spent in continuous 
    residence. Failing this a person shall be qualified if six living
    relatives of the first degree of not more than sixty years of 
    age but not less than twenty five years of age so qualify. Failing
    this a person shall be so qualified if they without note or
    other guidance recite the Constitution to the Speaker of the
    House of Representatives. Should a person otherwise qualified
    to serve as president fail in this task they shall be treated 
    as having qualified provided they correctly spell potatoe and
    have not had an extra marital affair within the past six months.
    The playing of a Saxophone on Larry King live shall not serve
    as qualification for the office of President, nor shall the same
    act as a disqualification. All persons who have or have held
    an Olympic Gold medal or played in the superbowl shall be deamed to
    have qualified as shall third rate B movie actors and crooks
    on the make. No person with an annual income of less than a million
    dollars shall be qualified, nor shall any female, person of colour
    or catholic unless they have had sexual intercourse with Maralyn
    Monroe or equivalent. Maddona shall not count for the purposes 
    of qualification because she is far too publicity seeking.
    

--

Phill Hallam-Baker
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From: wlamonac@maddog.helios.nd.edu (William LaMonaca)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
Subject: The Spotlight
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:28:25 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

I recently recieved a free sample copy of The Spotlight.  It was very interesting in its own
kind of paranoid way.  The publishers seem to have a real grudge against the Trilateral
Commission.  Anyway, they offered a set of 10 pamphlets for sale on various topics, such
as the Kennedy Assasination, the TLC, the Bilderberger group and so forth.  They seemed
interesting, but before I order them, I would like to know a little bit more about the
Spotlight and its publishers.

That they were somewhat on the right seems obvious, but do they have any affiliation with
any larger groups, like John Birch or the LaRouchites?  I really don't want to send any
money to a hate group.

Bill
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Democracy or Republic?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 10:45:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Maybe I'm missing something, but I always thought this was a 
DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC.  At least some of the founding fathers appear
to have held this view, as suggested by the name of Thomas Jefferson's
Democratic-Republican Party.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism.d,misc.legal,alt.pol
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Dec31.134027.25084@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1993Jan3.212901.7840@mtu.edu> <16B4B10573.PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu>
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:40:46

Vengeful lot, these liberals.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.activism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: John Birch Society
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:07:12 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1993Jan5.005257.15405@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>In article <1iabr7INNpbf@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) writes:
>
>>                             The Insiders
>>                                  by
>>                            John F. McManus
>
>>             Copyright (c) 1992 by The John Birch Society
>
>>As communism continues to advance toward total world domination, as
>>America's place in the world slips from undisputed leadership to
>>second-rate status

This does seem like an unmodified   excerpt from something out of the seventies
or eighties.  It would be interesting to see how they interpret the events
of the last few years.  Lance, what is JBS's take on the collapse of the
Soviet Union with regard to communism and The New World Order?

Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: _Jesus: A Life_ by A.N. Wilson
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:58:57 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy,talk.religion.misc
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com

In article <1993Jan7.051027.4659@engage.pko.dec.com>, pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
|> In article <C0G7rM.4oF.1@cs.cmu.edu> tp0x+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Price) writes:
|> >
|> > ... I thought rabbinism wasn't a meaningful force until the destruction
|> >of the Temple and the end of Temple-centered worship.
|> 
|> You are wrong

And so is the follow-up, which I have corrected.
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: Execute Amy Fisher!!!
Date: 9 Jan 1993 12:12:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Maybe we could execute Weinberger and name Amy Fisher Secretary
of Defense. 

(No I'm not serious. Actually I have a kind of grudging respect for 
Weinberger, and it seems clear he is taking a fall for those FAR
guiltier than himself. The thought of Amy Fisher as Secretary of
Defense is weirdly appropriate, however).

-Steve
From: ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Reply to Marc Talbot #2
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:01:51 GMT
Reply-To: ingria@BBN.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com
In-reply-to: kar5@po.CWRU.Edu's message of 4 Jan 93 03:45:20 GMT

In article <1i8bsgINN29q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll) writes:

   The simple question in my mind is this:

   Dr. Beter claims to have inside knowledge of a world full of particle
   beam weapons, floating spheres, biological replicas of people, and so on.
   Monthly he claims to reveal vast plans that would have made Machiavelli
   jealous. Indeed, according to him, world leaders have been murdered and
   replaced at a frightening rate.

   So why the hell didn't they kill HIM to shut him up???

That's just the sort of question THEY want you to ask...
--
-30-
Bob Ingria
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: New World Order/CFR/Trilateral Commission
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:12:42 GMT

In article <1i0kqbINN98e@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes:
>
>I am trying to make a compete list of organizations that subscribe to
>the doctrine that the CFR and Trilateral Commission are sinister
>organizations trying to set up a global dictatorship under the United
>Nations and referred to by the catch phrase "New World Order."
>I am already aware of the following:
>
>1) The John Birch Society
>2) Liberty Lobby
>3) Lyndon Larouche (What is the name of his organization?)
>4) The Christic Institue
>5) Bo Gritz (What is the name of his organization?)
>
>If anyone can help me add to this list or correct this list, please send
>me email.  I'd look up this information at the public library, but I
>don't think I'd find anything in the standard references.

The New Republic had a hilarious article cataloguing the full list of
groups who saw sinister intent behind the quickly-dropped phrase "New
World Order."  It was some time in the summer of 1992, I think.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
never shout movie in a crowded firestation
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From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.activism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: John Birch Society
Date: 6 Jan 1993 06:33:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <1id1njINNf4s@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) writes:
>
>With reguard to the Soviet Union.  I believe, and I think there is ample
>evidence, that the removal of the Berlin Wall and the "collapse" of the
>Soviet Union, were events that have been carefully planned out to lull
>the American public into believing that the problem is gone.  This
>is a very old tactic, I hope you won't fall for it.

I see. And the Moldavian conflict, the dispute between Russia and
Ukraine, the Karabakh war, the events in Tadzikistan, the
Czech-Slovak split, the various armed conflicts in what used to be
Yugoslavia, these are all parts of this same plan 'to lull the
American public'?

>
>Remember, nobody believed Noah until it started raining.
>
Surely you mean Uta-Napishtun?

-- 
Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;                      
She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.activism,talk.religion.misc
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: John Birch Society
Summary: What world are they living in?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 00:52:57 GMT

In article <1iabr7INNpbf@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) writes:

>                             The Insiders
>                                  by
>                            John F. McManus

>             Copyright (c) 1992 by The John Birch Society

>As communism continues to advance toward total world domination, as
>America's place in the world slips from undisputed leadership to
>second-rate status

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.evil,alt.politics.bush,alt.tasteless
From: kurt@eskimo.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Subject: Re: Pardon Amy Fisher! (other pardon surprises, too!)
Summary: Getting away with murder while you still have absolute power
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:57:32 GMT

[note crosspostings -- kurt]

Andrew Bulhak (sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: [ Article crossposted from alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush,alt.president.clinton ]
: [ Author was Randall Rhea ]
: [ Posted on 6 Jan 93 00:32:19 GMT ]
: 
: 
: I am in total agreement with Bush's pardon of Weinberger, and his reasons
: for the pardon.  Now Bush should take it one step further with the
: case that has received more media attention than Iran-Contra.
: 
: As George Bush's final act in office, I think he should pardon Amy
: Fisher.
[...]

And while he's at it, he could pardon Jeff Dahmer, and the
peice de resistance, a posthumous pardon of Westley Allan Dodd.
That would sure burn a lot of britches!  He's got till the 21st,
doesn't he?  Still lots of time for surprises!

Speaking of last-minute abuses of power, the President and VP could
rob a bank together.  Then, after the act was pulled off (successfully,
we might add -- our guys aren't dummies!), the Prexy pardons the VP
and then resigns.  The VP, now Prexy (with a clean slate, since he was
just pardoned) now pardons the former Prexy and both immediately hop a
Concorde to Geneva with the swag!

Why stop there?  In theory, if the president could pardon just ONE
prisoner or suspected criminal, he could pardon them *ALL*, couldn't
he?  Would that stick or would the courts find a work-around in time?
Question in practical terms would be, could the prexy pull this off
successfully before somebody else put the "crazy-president-with-
red-button" plans into effect and had him bundled off to the rubber
St. Elizabeth's with 10 grams of Haldol in his forebrain?

Another thing he could try is to sell the "football" to Mouammar Khadafi
in return for a blow job wherever, whenever he wants, for the rest of
his life.  He should still not forget to pardon himself or he'll be in
deep shit!

Maybe he'll declare a national state of emergency on the 20th, declare
martial law, suspend the constitution, and put all those secret
executive orders into effect!  He could even legalize hemp!

This is all theoretical, of course.  Inquiring minds just want to know:
is there any likelyhood of this happening?
-- 
kurt@eskimo.com kurt@grogatch.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum)
Subvert the Anti-Gands!		F-IW	MYOB
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: Karol Wojtyla and anti-Semitism (WAS: Pope John Paul II)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:01:54 GMT

In article <C0pD66.GCB@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:

>The Pope has made a fair number of explicitly anti-semitic remarks much
>more recently than WW2, and it would be in character if he'd been involved
>in anti-Jewish actvities back then (either with the Nazis or with the right-
>wing Polish Army, which excluded Jews), but still I'd like to see something
>a bit more solid than this...

Would you please elaborate on Karol "The Pope" Wojtyla's allegedly
anti-Jewish remarks?

Thank you.

-- Brad Pierce --

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From: csmith@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith)
Subject: Re: Execute Amy Fisher!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:10:01 GMT

In article <82954@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>In <1993Jan8.150808.6452@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>>Need I say more?  We've got to do something about murderers!
>
>Actually Amy Fisher only wounded the woman.  Seriously wounded, but I believe
>she made a complete recovery.
>
>On a side note.  A local talk show host once made this point.
>
>If you have a lesser penalty for attempted murder, than you do for murder,
>aren't you rewarding the guy based on his incompetance.
>Do we have a lesser penalty for attempted bank robbery?

I have been thinking this way for some time. I think there should be only the
charge of attempted murder, but if found guilty, capital punishment could only
be handed out if the victim dies. Most states require a separate deliberation
for capital punishment, anyway.
In other words, start the procedings immediately--don't wait for the victim
to go one way or the other. It should only make a difference at sentencing.
--
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Craig Edward Smith (csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu)
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