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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:18:22 GMT

In article <jbickers.0lzy@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Then there was the episode where he wanted to
>    kill various people.

   First I am accused in e-mail of persuading the president and VP of
Word Perfect Corp. to drop the Amiga.  Now somebody accuses me of plotting to
murder people.  What are people going to accuse me of next?  Genocide? 
I live in Iowa, not Serbia!

   I made a stupid statement once to the effect that I would not cry if Irving
Gould suddenly died.  And I wasn't the only one who has ever said this; I
was merely the first.  Many other people have made similar statements over
the past few years.  Of course my statements are the only ones that ever get
noticed.  

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From: jlaine@mits.mdata.fi (Joakim Laine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan got the Amiga 1000!
Date: 25 Dec 92 00:18:09 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>In article <1hbttsINNh9d@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec24.053726.29521@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>Ok, I've REALLY LOOKED for the way to switch to 640X400, but I
>>>cannot find it.  Where??  I have looked a lot in the Preference
>>>program, but I didn't see it.
>>
>>Look for a button that says "interlace", if I remember.  Also, in 1.3,
>>there's no easy way to use an overscanned WB.

>   Yes there is.  Use "morerows".  Tell morerows how many added rows and 
>columns of resolution you want.  You can get up to 704x480, I think.  Thus:

What about PPrefs by Jonathan Potter? If I remember right, it goes way
beyond 704. I use it on my PAL-A1000.

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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:50:58 GMT
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Philip McDunnough (philip@utstat.toronto.edu) wrote:
: >
: >Interesting statement, Philip.  The original PC had an 8088 CPU.  How does
: >one write 8-bit software for a 16-bit (internal) CPU?
:
: Sorry, meant 16. I keep getting confused between all the various memory
: models, segment sizes, etc...on the PC. Nevertheless replace the 8 by 16
: and I still hold to my statement.
:  

You're pretty much correct about that, but things are changing.  For example,
many DOS games now require 386SX and up (they use 32-bit code), and the
Enhanced-Mode Windows kernel is a full 32-bit program.

:
: Philip
:
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Does reading this gr
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 06:11:04 GMT

In article <3131120a6e@ofa123.fidonet.org> Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>> Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
>> From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
>> Message-ID: <C022t9.B9G@news.iastate.edu>
>> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>>
>>   The fact also is that many Amiga owners in the U.S. don't give a rip about
>> Europe, Bosnia, or Swaziland.  If the Amiga is not strong
>> here, support is not
>> available here, and hardware and software are not available here.  These are
>> enough reasons to dissuade a person from ever getting another Amiga.
>
>And  if people in the states never buy Amigas, there will never be support,
>because  there  wont  be  anything to support.  Its the old chicken and egg
>problem.

   A few years ago, when the Amiga was strong in the U.S. and the Atari ST was
very weak, with the situation almost reversed in Europe, did you blame the
ST's weakness in the U.S. on the people here?  No, you blamed it on the 
company behind the ST: Atari.  After all, the ST's weakness was based solely 
on Atari's inability to give the ST up-to-date hardware and OS software, and
market the machine here.  Yet now that the Amiga's situation is the same 
here as the situation of the Atari ST was a few years ago, you take a 
different track and blame it entirely on the people over here for not buying
enough computers.  What is so different between the situation of Commodore
today and the situation Atari was in a few years ago?

>You  are  doing  nothing  but ensuring that support never develops here, by
>attempting  to  dissuade  people  from  buying  Amigas.  Luckily in Europe,
>people  buy  Amigas  anyway.   Luckily,  I  dont  think  you are having any
>meaningfull  effect  here  in  the  states  either  (much less a beneficial
>effect).   The  Amiga  just faces much stiffer competition here, and a much
>more stuborn and resistant to change market.

   People over here are just more inclined to use computers as tools instead
of toys.  To this end people here are more insistant on buying a computer 
that has good software support for it.  

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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:32:16 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1992Dec21.154224.19324@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Andy Finkel (andy@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
>: >
>: >False.  If the section of the OS which writes to the disk is protected
>: >and there is no other way to write except through the OS, writing a
>: >virus becomes more difficult (not impossible, just difficult)
>:
>: That's not right.  In fact, that's not even wrong.  First of all, 
>: memory protection has little to do with writing to the disk.
>: For instance, the section of code that writes to the disk
>: on the Amiga is in ROM.  ROM is generally considered to be
>: rather 'protected'.
>:
>
>Right, but there's nothing preventing a nasty application from bypassing
>your ROM routines and talking directly to the disk hardware, screwing things
>up.  On a system with properly-implemented memory protection, however, it's
>much more difficult (if at all possible) to write such an application.

If you are interested in the subject, you might want to do some research
sometime.  The Internet Worm is fairly interesting, since it ran
on Unix boxes.  (remember, Unix has protected memory).

>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |


			andy
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From: steve@Celeborn.lvunix.com (Steve Slade)
Subject: Re: Winter CES (was:CDTV console due soon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
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Date: 23 Dec 92 18:18:59 PST
Organization: Not even Close

Steve Kreckman (kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
: The dates for the Winter Consumer Electronics show in Las Vegas are Jan 7-12.

The date's on my pass are Jan 7-10 are there two extra days at the commodore 
booth I don't now about? 8^)

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:49:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.215702.11987@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>
>I have always wondered where all those 68k-chips go as Apple and
>Commodore and all those laser printers can't be the only ones using
>68k as 68k-series sells a lot more than those combined. Anyone have
>any idea (excluding MB)?

Well, there's Atari.  :-)

But, seriously folks, I have a caching ESDI controller in a 486 here with a
68000 on it.  Then there's an OmniPage OCR board in another PC which has a
68020.  68k series chips get used in all sorts of embedded applications like
that.


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 - PC's, Unix, and networks by day, Amigas by night...
Currently residing in Mareeba, Far North Queensland, Australia
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Date: 1 Jan 93 18:19:58 GMT
Organization: a gora

In article <mbrown.0yqn@legend.akron.oh.us> mbrown@legend.akron.oh.us writes:
>I could Easily see the A1200 becoming the base Machine of the amiga 
>Market. I would Guess that the A1200 with 40 Meg HD could be priced at 
>600 in about half a Year, Start Phasing out the A600. Viola [sic] 


  What for?  The A600 doesn't cost $600.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: The 'Screens' debate:
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:55:46 GMT

As far as I can see, only real use for these 'screens' on Amigas 
is to simultaneously display a resolution/colors combination radically
different from the WorkBench.  

It is a nice thing to pull down the WorkBench, and see a largely differnt
resolutions/colors scheme, but I don't see how it is terribly
useful.  To make a generality, Amigas really need this mostly in cases
where the 'standard' mode they are in is insufficient.  Right?

If the WB was in a 16color, higher-res mode (say, an A3000), and you 
wanted to display or use an art program that used 256 colors, you
could easily give it its own 'screen' to 'HAM-it-up' or what-not.  Then
you could 'drag' down the screen and still access the WB.

NOW: is this better than running a hires, 256-color WB *anyway* and then
running the art program, and *iconizing* the art program to get back to
the WB?  Or having it truly 'windowed' on the 256-color WB and simply 
DRAG that windows it is in 'off' side of the screen into virtual-WB
space?  It is still full-screen, and you can still see the WB (ala
'pulling' down a screen).

My friends, that is basically what all these people with Windows and 
OS/2 do anyway.  If I wanted to run art programs, and liked hi-color
desktops in Windows anyways (background, whatever), I'd run a 
256-color driver.  I could maximize/minimize the art program easy enough,
or 'flip' through apps to get to it.  And in OS/2 I could simply drag that
full-screen 'down' with the title bar...'down' or sideways, whatever - it
would just be a *window* that _happened_ to be the full-screen size.

So while 'screens' are in fact pretty nice, they do not seem to be
the savior of Amigas like so many people on this group say they are.

Well?

--
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn, comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bus Standards
Date: 4 Jan 1993 03:05:00 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <C0AJGp.7E8@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>Still more exciting is Just In Time learning With JITL, when the
>secreatry wants to learn to do a mail merge, she hits the help, mail
>merge button and a movie comes on the screen explaining it to her
>through examples.

On the Amiga, system support exists for hypertext files.  A simple
program could also add invisible support for ANIMs, which would both
be handled by the same system of datatypes.

It's not impossible on the Amiga.  In fact, due to advancements in the
OS design of the Amiga, such an addition could actually be a
smoothly-integrated counterpart to the AmigaGuide format.

>Television isn't interactive.  If what is on the screen is boring, and
>the delivery mechanism is boring, you won't learn.  Conversely, if the
>topic is dull (i.e. platipuses) but the medium is interesting (games
>and puzzles) then people learn.

Who are you to call the duck-billed platypus boring?  Mankind finds
the one piece of evidence that supports God being born a crack baby,
and you write it off as "boring".  :)

Ah well.  Just wanted to interject a little humor.  Sorry.

Greg

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From: spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:02:40 GMT
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <bn.01co@mndcrme.uoknor.edu> bn@mndcrme.uoknor.edu (Bo Najdrovsky) writes:
>3.0 has nothing to do with the general improvement of the OS. It's a

Unfortunately, this is a popular misconception. True, the primary goal of 3.0
was to provide AA support in the OS, but many extra features are included in
3.0, some as a result of the AA support. To list but a few:

Palette sharing.
Double buffering.
Interleaved BitMaps.
Improved BootMenu.
Attached screens.
Memory pools.
Directory-caching File System.
Datatypes.

I'm sorry if you don't consider these to be a 'general improvement of the OS'
;-)

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From: Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Some Amiga questions!
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 20:58:00 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dan Stephenson writes:

>Hey, I figured out the 'screens' trick!  Granted, I'd rather just iconize    
>something, perhaps...  hey, how DO I iconize something?!  Anyway,
>I 'dragged' the Dpain II screen down and saw the workbench!

Get "Iconify" (by the venerable Leo Shwab) off Fred Fish disk 126.
It's a PD utility that allows one to shrink a window to an icon.

(There's a 2.0 version too, which I use all the time.)

Lee      Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Date: 3 Jan 1993 05:54:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
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'>The AGA is bran new.  We'll know before long.  The 3000 was voted "best
'>computer" or something in Germany this year.  The best games I've seen on 
'>Amiga come from either Germany or Great Brittan, so I am not too worried by
'>what anyone in the USA sees when he looks around.  And I think CD-ROM is
'>going to change things. ...really open up multimedia.  But who knows?   

	If you live in the USA, like I do, you are concerned by software 
   companies dropping Amiga support.  You also become concerned when all the
   upcoming games you want are coming out for the PC only.   CD-ROM may well
   change things, but why is this just an Amiga advantage, as you imply?
   There is already some very nice CD-ROM software for PC's, with even better
   stuff in the near future, like The Seventh Guest. 

'>There will be a new wave of software written for the AGA machines and the
'>1200 will be the base.  I don't think this assertion needs a lot of
'>supporting argument.  

	You mean you hope there will be a new wave of software written for the
   AGA machines.  The A1200 is the base for a very small portion of an already
   niche Amiga computer market.  You are asking alot for software developers
   to forget 4 million ECS Amigas ( with CBM still having the ECS A600 be the
   LCD, and probably best seller of all current Amigas ), and suddenly develop
   all this new wave software for the miniscule AGA market. 

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu
 
'>                                  NCW
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Doom and gloom (was Re: DataTax will be out in Jan (U.S. version))
Keywords: DataTax Datamax Tax Software
Date: 22 Dec 92 03:58:29 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Distribution: usa
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED



[Originally posted in comp.sys.amiga.applications and comp.sys.amiga.misc
 by someone who obviously does not know any better, even after all these
 years on the Net.]

In article <BzKr3M.45J@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
> So far, it has seemed like I am the only one who can see that the Amiga is
>falling desperately behind in a market that it could control.

	Oooh... oh great and powerful Swami, bestow upon us your eternal
wisdom so we may achieve inner elightenment and realize what mere worms we
are in your presence.  Our eyes look up, but we see not.  Our ears stick
out, but we hear not.  Our tongues hang down, but we taste not.  And yet, in
the name of the Holy Cumquat of SEEDY RAHM, God of Unexploited Multimedia
Opportunities, we praise thy name and ask for your humble forgiveness and
back-issues of National Geographic featuring remote tribes who build statues
of you and make hourly sacrifices to your omniscient omnipresence.  Fear
not, simple people, for the true savior of Planet Earth, and maybe even
Iowa, walks among us and graces our unworthy souls with the true wisdom of
experience and strong hallucinogenics.  Bow, mortal, and lick the
all-knowning toenails of his Extreme Regressiveness, lest ye be damned to
eternal torture and forced to read all of his postings all over again, in
triplicate.  So join me in everlasting prayer to the master of marketing,
the genius of ingenuousness, the most holy of hypocrites, THE ALL-FATHER OF
AMIGA FATE:

		"Our father, who art in Iowa,
		Hollow be thy head,
		Thy ideas run,
		Thy will be done,
		At Commodore as it is at Apple.
		Give us this day our daily stupid postings
		And lead us not into forbidden pastry shops
		Where we may discover cheese-filled tibits of dubious origin.
		Amen."

>Hopefully the oppinions of an ex-Amiga-developer will allow Commodore to see
>what needs to be done.

	Gee, gang... Marc used to be a developer!  One who never produced any
products, to my knowledge.  And he made a lot of, uh, "friends" at Commodore
too, from what I have heard.

                                                        Dan
							(Still no relation)

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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:54:57 GMT

 (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>...or run text-based program from other floppy disks.  Can the Amiga 
>boot off a floppy?  Uh huh.  Then what do the vast majority of 
>Amigans do?  *Right*.  They swap disks.

  Of course, they could do what I did to my Amiga, bought an external
drive. So both of my Amigas have an external floppy, much easier to move
them from machine to machine than ms-dog machines floppy drives. DJ.

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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CD-ROM applications
Date: 24 Dec 92 13:49:15 GMT
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Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
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In article <BzqJtE.L4q@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>
>   You can say that about any method of preparing taxes that uses anything 
>beyond a pencil.  Obviously, it would not be cost effective to purchase a
>CD-ROM drive JUST to prepare taxes, just as it would not be cost effective to
>purchase a computer just to prepare taxes.  But the CD-ROM drive enhances the
>whole system, not just one application of it.  After using the CD-ROM to 
>prepare your taxes from pre-scanned tax forms, you could use the CD-ROM to
>hunt down a font typeface from a CD-ROM library of font typefaces, or play a
>HUGE CD-ROM game, or to run an interactive training presentation that uses 
>the CD-ROM along with a high-resolution non-interlaced display.

[sarcastic mode on]

   But, but, but... who needs a CD-ROM when a 120-MB hard drive is too big?
Just imagine all the money Commodore could cut off of their computers by
never supplying a CD-ROM drive.

[sarcastic mode off]

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From: u920604@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Matthew King)
Subject: New paula in works??
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:36:44 GMT

After the release of the two new machines I was wondering if in fact Commodore
were working on a new Paula, as it is this (from what i read) that forces
the high density drives to work on half-speed.  What is the story on this?  
Can paula be easily replaced in an existing machine or is it surface-mounted?
I want to buy a new machine (hopefully a mid-range one to be released) but it 
would be a hassle using the drive at such a slow speed.

Matthew King
(u920604@postoffice.utas.edu.au)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy