HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ianh@resmel.bhp.com.au (Ian Hoyle)
Subject: use of nntplink -i stdin with INN
Organization: BHP Research - Melbourne Laboratories, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:09:58 GMT


Hi,

I have just set up my first feed with INN using "nntplink -i stdin" and
am having a few problems (I guess I wouldn't be posting here unless that 
was the case :-). The machine in question is a SiliconGraphics running
Irix 4.0.5.

I'm using the following incantation in my newsfeeds file:

merlin\
        :mrl,bhp\
        :Tc,Wnm:/usr/local/news/bin/nntplink -i stdin merlin

The behaviour I see looks like (moraine is the host running INN):

Nov 17 16:28:35 moraine innd: local connected 14
Nov 17 16:28:35 moraine innd: merlin:15:proc:23190 cant write Broken pipe
Nov 17 16:28:35 moraine innd: merlin:15:proc:23190 closed
Nov 17 16:28:35 moraine innd: localhost:14 closed seconds 0 accepted 1 refused 0
 rejected 0               


Also, in my SYSLOG nntplink is logging the following error:


Nov 17 16:04:39 moraine nntplink[23035]: merlin: EOF on stdin, exiting
Nov 17 16:04:39 moraine nntplink[23035]: merlin: Batchfile Updated, 4 articles q
ueued
Nov 17 16:04:39 moraine nntplink[23035]: merlin stats 5 offered 0 accepted 0 rej
ected 5 failed 5 connects
Nov 17 16:04:39 moraine nntplink[23035]: merlin xmit user 0.0 system 0.1 elapsed
 7

[Actually I think I have fixed the EOF problem by changing the non-blocking
flag in conf.h in the nntplink src to O_NONBLOCK?? This was a bit of a guess
though ...]

Articles appear straight away on the machine running INN (moraine), but take 
a *long* time to appear on the remote machine (merlin) being fed by nntplink.
Having RTFM for the newsfeeds file, I see that the default action is to not 
buffer at all if the site is being fed by a channel which is the case here. 
However, it 'feels' like there is some kind of buffering problem ......

I seem to recall an article in this newsgroup a few months back asking 
the same question but I just didn't save it. What (if anything) am I 
doing wrong??

	ian
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Xref: sparky news.software.nntp:1544 news.admin.technical:45
From: vanepp@sfu.ca (Peter Van Epp)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.admin.technical
Subject: Re: Article authentication
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:44:14 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

cjc@nwu.edu (Christopher J. Chen) writes:

>All right, so maybe I'm a newbie goofball, but I've got a problem I
>can't figure out.

>I've got a user at my site who's posting with a fake name.  This
>wouldn't be a problem, except that he's posting inappropriate things
>and I've got to track him down.

Two suggestions that may help: get the TCP wrapper programs from CERT and
install them on your nntp machine, given a time that should tell you 
what machine it is coming from (since they will log all inbound connections).
If you are running either a Sun or an SGI machine as the nntp server I have
a set of perl scripts that in conjunction with lsof from purdue, will log
incoming and outgoing telnet connections to syslog or a log file. In your
case this may produce a large amount of data since you won't be able to
filter anything (I normally mask off the local hosts and only log off site
accesses), send me mail if you want to try this and I'll mail you the 
scripts.
	Of course if the forger is coming from one of those PCs out there
you are going to have a hard time tracking him or her ... 

Peter Van Epp / Operations and Technical Support 
Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C. Canada
From: noah@cad.gatech.edu (Noah White)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Error incurred after removing group with INN
Date: 22 Nov 1992 09:56:47 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, CAE/CAD Lab
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Noah.White@cad.gatech.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: goldeneye.cad.gatech.edu


  I have been getting a mess of error messages from expire. It has been choking
out on groups which have been removed with rmgroup. Is there anyway for me 
to keep it from barfing all this into the Daily report? Here is a sample:

Group not matched (removed?) bit.listserv.wpcorp-l

Thanks in advance,

--
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"Nothing makes a man more aware of his capabilities and of his limitations
 than those moments when he must push aside all the familiar defenses of ego
 and vanity, and accept reality by staring, with the fear that is normal to a
 man in combat, into the face of Death. "
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)
Subject: Mthreads and nov info and location wanted.....
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:35:50 GMT

...
: 
: >Am I going to have problems running mthreads in daemon mode?
: mthreads is unware of innd, and as far as I know it is read-only on the
: news system.  There are people running it with no problems.  I think Geoff's
: "nov" package is a better choice, however.

Could someone enlighten me as to the location and specific
capabilities of mthreads and nov?  This was the first time I'd heard
of nov.

Also, I'm looking for the CDrom library mentioned in tin and the
common threads package.

Any other packages of interested?

(Not: inn/nnrpd, tin/tind, nn, cnews, or nntp, of which I know very well)

Thanks
sdw
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From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Error incurred after removing group with INN
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:14:34 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In <1eqps7INN7mh@milk.Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>You might add a special line in your expire.ctl to expire that
>newsgroup quickly or just put up with the messages.
Putting something in expire.ctl is useless, as that only matches groups
in the active file.  Put up with the messages or use the -q flag.
	/r$
From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: gnu sed-1.12 vs. inn
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:44:55 GMT
Organization: COMSAT Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: neal.ctd.comsat.com
X-Md4-Signature: 5f701608b0d3e6c42fcd4b93b036116f

I noticed all newgroup commands were failing with messages like:
Unparseable newgroup by usenet@alf.uib.no

I finally traced this to the latest gnu sed (1.12).  The '-n' switch
is broken.

I installed a patch from gnu.bugs.util, now I think everything is OK.

Here's the patch:
---------------------------------------
From bothner@cygnus.com Mon Nov 16 10:41:22 1992
From: bothner@cygnus.com
Newsgroups: gnu.utils.bug
Subject: sed-1.12 bug: -n flag
Date: 10 Nov 92 07:18:04 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: GNUs Not Usenet

It seems to me that the -n flag is a trifle hyper-active:
If should not suppress the output from the 'p' and 'w'
flags of the 's[ubstitute]' command.

A patch is included below.  If you're unconvinced,
I can send a test case.

This bug prevents libg++ from configuring when using sed-1.12.

	--Per Bothner
Cygnus Support     bothner@cygnus.com


*** sed.c~	Wed Nov  4 20:34:47 1992
--- sed.c	Tue Nov 10 13:30:33 1992
***************
*** 1562,1573 ****
  	  tmp.text = t.text;
  	  tmp.length = t.length;
  	  tmp.alloc = t.alloc;
! 	  if (cur_cmd->x.cmd_regex.flags & S_WRITE_BIT
! 	      && !no_default_output)
  	    ck_fwrite (line.text, 1, line.length,
  		       cur_cmd->x.cmd_regex.wio_file);
! 	  if (cur_cmd->x.cmd_regex.flags & S_PRINT_BIT
! 	      && !no_default_output)
  	    ck_fwrite (line.text, 1, line.length, stdout);
  	  break;
  
--- 1562,1571 ----
  	  tmp.text = t.text;
  	  tmp.length = t.length;
  	  tmp.alloc = t.alloc;
! 	  if (cur_cmd->x.cmd_regex.flags & S_WRITE_BIT)
  	    ck_fwrite (line.text, 1, line.length,
  		       cur_cmd->x.cmd_regex.wio_file);
! 	  if (cur_cmd->x.cmd_regex.flags & S_PRINT_BIT)
  	    ck_fwrite (line.text, 1, line.length, stdout);
  	  break;
From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: INN expire query
Date: 23 Nov 1992 10:19:26 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In <1eqfk1INNh19@cae.cad.gatech.edu> Noah.White@cad.gatech.edu writes:
>Quick question..when I do a ctlinnd mode I get reserved Expiring Process ####
>Does that mean thatthat when it is expire is run it always gets process ####?
No.  Please read doc/ctlinnd.8, in particular the parts on go pause
throttle and reserve.

When expire starts up, it "reserves" the server with a unique message
by including it's process-ID.  This is also so you can do a ps and see if
expire is still running, or if it died.  When innd is reserved, nobody else
can do a pause or throttle.  It's a two-stage lock.

If expire craps out, it leaves the server reserved.  This is done so that
you can find and fix the problem and unreserve the server.
	/r$
From: aryeh@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Aryeh M. Weiss)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: problem posting with mini-inews
Summary: Remote error: 441 user usenet does not exist
Keywords: inews, nntp, nn
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:44:59 GMT
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel

When I post from nn on my machine (optics.jct.ac.il), or when I run inews
separately, I receive the following error:
"Remote error: 441 User usenet does not exist! can't post."

I run nn, with nntp, only in the client mode. Can anyone tell me why
this occurs? 

Please reply to aryeh@optics.jct.ac.il .

Thanks
--aryeh
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: bsakach@wnas.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Brian Sakach)
Subject: NNTP and tlid: getpeername: Socket operation on non-socket 
Organization: NCR Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:51:08 GMT

When trying to use NNTP.1.5.11 with the super server, tlid, I get the 
following errors:


Nov 16 12:40:35 ncrhub unix: Nov 16 12:40:35 nntpd[4885]: host_access: getpeername: Socket operation on non-socket
Nov 16 12:40:35 ncrhub unix: Nov 16 12:40:35 nntpd[4885]: unknown refused connection


It's expecting a socket and getting TLI stuff.  Has anyone changed the 
software to work with TLI?

-- 
Brian.Sakach@DaytonOH.NCR.COM               "Irrelevant!"   -Ross Perot
From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: INN - getting news from remote server
Date: 16 Nov 1992 15:31:27 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In <721570933snx@erix.demon.co.uk> eric@erix.demon.co.uk (Eric Cafritz) writes:
:  Using the "reference implementation"
:for nntp, I run the command "/usr/local/bin/nntpxfer gate" to get news
:on demand from the remote server "gate".  This command reads the groups
:I want and the time from a file called "nntp.gate" in my /usr/spool/news
:directory, fetches the batch from gate, and works fine with C-News.

:  But is there an INN command
:equivalent to the one above

Yes:  nntpget.  In particular the -o option.

Unfortunately, you will need patch3 to use it -- should be available in a
few days.
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: mandell@bach.helios.nd.edu (Dan Mandell)
Subject: Cnews and nntp config problems
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:16:43 GMT

Can't seem to get the configuration straight on cnews+nntp.  
If I try posting with postnews, I see the following three lines...

/tmp/pn13192"
Posting...
% relaynews: can't open 'out.going/news.nd.edu/togo' (No such file or
directory)
/usr/lib/newsbin/inject/inews: article in /userss/dmandell/dead.article


Any suggestions..
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.software.b
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: nntp with cnews performance dbz
Organization: The Gator Conferencing System 219-289-3745 
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:47:02 GMT

We are running the performance release of cnews
and nntp release 11 (the latest off uunet).

I can't get nntp to use my history file prior to
sending inbound articles.  It just sends everything
(one at a time of course) with

Nov 21 22:20:47 localhost nntpd[8039]: gethistent: histfile: No such file or directory

between every article

Ok, I have the "fast c-news dbz" enabled in the performance release of cnews,
and here are my history files:

-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news     19026158 Nov 21 17:10 /usr/lib/news/history
-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news         115 Nov 21 17:10 /usr/lib/news/history.dir
-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news     18721789 Nov 21 13:45 /usr/lib/news/history.o
-rw-rw-r--   1 news     news     2058932 Nov 21 17:10 /usr/lib/news/history.pag

the above files are in /home/news/control

now, for nntp I have the following in common/conf.h

#define	USG
#undef NDBM
#undef	DBM
#define	DBZ
#undef	USGHIST

and 

#define HISTORY_FILE	"/home/news/control/history"

does anyone have any ideas on what else I can check?

-- 
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From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Problems with feeding sites.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 11:14:48 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: world,local
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In <1992Nov18.082040.3996@arizona.edu> tsf@Arizona.EDU writes:
>I recently got INN 1.2 up and running (sort of ).   I can read and post articles but
>the articles I post are not going 'upstream`.  I have the following lines in my 
>newsfeeds file relating to the site I want to feed:
>
>penny \ 
>	:!junk/!foo\
>	:Tf,Wmf:
If you want to send everything but junk, you probably want "*,!junk".
Unless you have something in your ME line there is no default.
By the way, the site you have is named "penny " not "penny" -- you probably
do not want the space before the backslash on the first line.  My ctlinnd
comment, below, assumes that you did remove it.

>after an article is posted to the local machine with a distrubiton of anything,
>(eg. local or world or whatever) the penny file contains nothing.
Files are buffered; you must do "ctlinnd flush penny" if you want to make
sure that the file has (or doesn't have) any data.
	/r$
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: afx@muc.ibm.de (Andreas Siegert)
Subject: Proxy agent for NNTP traffic
Followup-To: news.software.nntp
Reply-To: afx@ibm.de
Organization: IBM AIX Field Support Center, Munich
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:06:33 GMT

I will change my internet gateway pretty soon hopefully.
I want to avoid running news on it. As it is not a router, I need some way to
get news through. I would rather not use mail for that purpose.
Internally I want to use INN or stick with cnews. 
A good solution in my opinion would be a proxy NNTP agent on the gateway that 
passes NNTP traffic between the internal server and our feeding site.
Any other ideas?
By the way, where do I find the INN FAQ that was mentioned previously in this 
group?
cheers
afx
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From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: errors
Date: 16 Nov 1992 11:08:40 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: milk.warren.mentorg.com

In <1992Nov16.030759.3797@technix.mn.org> jfw@technix.mn.org (Jerry Wallace) writes:

>Could folks elaborate a bit on how much memory inn likes to have?  I
>have a couple sites I want to convert, but I hesitate because of
>unknown memory requirements.

I can't speak for the world, but this is what one of my machines looked
like this morning:

After running for about a week, here is innd idle:

USER       PID %CPU %MEM   SZ  RSS TT STAT START  TIME COMMAND
news      7285  0.0  2.8 4280  856 ?  S N  Nov 10 88:27 /usr/lib/news/etc/innd -p4 -i0

Here it is once one connection starts up and starts feeding articles:

news      7285  0.0  7.8 4280 2368 ?  S N  Nov 10 88:33 /usr/lib/news/etc/innd -p4 -i0

This is on a Sun 4/3x0 machine.  So, 4.2meg of swap space, and about
half of that is used when it getting fed with articles.  I should note,
however, that I often see "RSS" at "0" so it can completely swap out
when it's been idle for long enough.

Tom
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From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: TIN: -I option not working?
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:35:24 GMT


I can't seem to get the -I option (alternate index directory) to work
with tin.  It always seems to use the $HOME/.tin/.index directory, no
matter what.  Any idea what I might be doing wrong?  Please e-mail
responses to the address, below.  Thanks in advance!

--
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From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Cnews and nntp config problems
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:06:23 GMT
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die

Dan Mandell:
>Can't seem to get the configuration straight on cnews+nntp.  
[...]
>% relaynews: can't open 'out.going/news.nd.edu/togo' (No such file or
>directory)

Did you make sure that the directories leading from NEWSARTS to
NEWSARTS/out.going/news.nd.edu all exist and are writable by news?
-- 
Geoff Collyer				world!geoff, world.std.com!geoff
From: tsf@Arizona.EDU (Ted Frohling)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Problems with feeding sites.
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:20:37 GMT
Reply-To: tsf@Arizona.EDU
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona, CCIT-Telecommunications

I recently got INN 1.2 up and running (sort of ).   I can read and post articles but
the articles I post are not going 'upstream`.  I have the following lines in my 
newsfeeds file relating to the site I want to feed:

penny \ 
	:!junk/!foo\
	:Tf,Wmf:

After I did a ctlinnd begin penny, the penny file appeared in /var/spool/news/out.going
but after an article is posted to the local machine with a distrubiton of anything,
(eg. local or world or whatever) the penny file contains nothing.  I've read the 
man pages about 4 times now and the installation guide but can't figure out what
I'm doing wrong.  

The penny site is feeding me without much trouble.  If it matters, penny is running
ANU news 6.0.  Any hints on what I might really need for the flags in the newsfeeds
file would also be helpful.

Thanks ,

ted



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Tucson, AZ  85721
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.sysadmin
From: pritzent@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Philip J Ritzenthaler)
Subject: URGENT! nntp has stopped receiving
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:57:50 GMT

HELP!!

All of a sudden this morning, nntp has decided to stop receiving articles.

Talking to the admin at the sending machine, all he sees is 'bad block' errors.
This is easily repeatable by telneting to my news server:

================================

Trying 128.146.18.78...
Connected to mane.cgrg.ohio-state.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
201 mane NNTP server version 1.5.11 (10 February 1991) ready at Mon Nov 16 13:42
:33 1992 (no posting).
ihave <a.a>
bad block
Connection closed by foreign host.

================================

We can still use nntp to read news (xrn rrn etc.), but as you can see, no news
can be transmitted to us!  I have tried:
	cleaning the disks (fsck)
	rebooting the machine
	re-making and installing the nntpd
	adding ALL debug flags to nntpd (including syslog)

I am getting COPIOUS output (WAY more that I want/need) . . . except for when
I run the IHAVE . . . from the above, the ONLY thing in the log was:

Nov 16 13:42:33 mane nntpd[1432]: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu connect
Nov 16 13:42:33 mane nntpd[1432]: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu connect


HELP!!  This quit at 0730 in the morning.  The ONLY thing running then was:
	30  7  *  *  *  /usr/lib/newsbin/maint/newsdaily

Can SOMEONE decifer:
	1.  My message
	2.  My news problem??

Please MAIL to me . . . since news isn't working . . .

Thanks . . . hey . . . it's a Monday . . .

Phil Ritzenthaler  The Advanced Computing Center for the Arts & Design (ACCAD)
Systems Manager    The Ohio State University
                   UUCP: ...!{pyramid,killer}!cgrg.ohio-state.edu!phil
(614) 292-3416     ARPA: phil@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
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Systems Manager    The Ohio State University
                   UUCP: ...!{pyramid,killer}!cgrg.ohio-state.edu!phil
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From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Error incurred after removing group with INN
Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:29:27 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: milk.warren.mentorg.com

In <1enlgvINN7nn@cae.cad.gatech.edu> noah@cad.gatech.edu (Noah White) writes:

>  I have been getting a mess of error messages from expire. It has been choking
>out on groups which have been removed with rmgroup. Is there anyway for me 
>to keep it from barfing all this into the Daily report? Here is a sample:

>Group not matched (removed?) bit.listserv.wpcorp-l

You will get one line in your daily report for every article in that
(now deleted) newsgroup until they have all expired.

You might add a special line in your expire.ctl to expire that
newsgroup quickly or just put up with the messages.

I hope Rick removes those messages and replaces them with a simple line
(or lines) summarizing them.  Either one big, "X articles from deleted
newsgroups still exist, and are being expired as specified in
expire.ctl" or "The following deleted newsgroups still contain articles
(which are being expired as specified in expire.ctl):\nnews.sysadmin
14\nbit.listserv.wpcorp-l 40\netc."

Tom
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