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From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:12:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.200015.9446@oar.net> ashley@oar.net (Ashley Burns) writes:

>WHINE ON:
>
>I am defending Clare's right to whine. Lots of us go to misc.kids
>when we are just really out on an emotional limb about something. 
>If we are more even-handed about describing some situation (and 
>often we aren't) than Clare, it doesn't mean we're not thinking it. 

If you notice, I didn't say that Clare couldn't whine; I just said
that she shouldn't whine if she didn't want people to follow it up.
And don't most people want some sort of follow-up if they are whining?
I'm not taking exception with whining; What is maddening is that she
talks about her husband and in-laws and doctors in New York (Ms.
Demerol) in the worst way and when people commiserate with her or
suggest that she talk to them about it, then she states that things
really aren't that bad and how dare we jump to conclusions about her
life.

>And when people come back and start being really cutting and mean,
>sarcastic and assuming about stuff, we don't feel very good. With 
>what you guys wrote above, I think you are breaking your own 
>rules about giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. Kathie and
>Laura: you could have pointed out inconsistency without being 
>so mean and sarcastic. 

I don't think Laura's message was mean or sarcastic; mine, okay, it
went beyond the line of polite conversation, but I went over the edge.
It was really all that talk about blood and needles and poking a while
back that did it for me.  I just couldn't help myself and really, I
feel much better now.  :-)

You know, Ashley, I think you are new to the net.  The first time I
saw a post from Clare, I thought, "Wow, how horrible; I'm glad my
husband is more supportive than that."  Someone posted that she
shouldn't put up with him and she responded that he really wasn't that
bad.  Then I was just confused. Why say those things if they weren't
true?  Now, I've seen many posts where the theme is the same.  I think
after you've seen dozens of posts where Clare berates her husband and
then defends him when people take her seriously, you might become
tired of it also.

Kathie


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom)
Subject: preventative antibiotics
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:17:21 GMT

Preventative antibiotics never really worked with my daughter.  
We tried several (Gantrisin, Septra and another that escapes me)
She continued to get ear infections not matter what we tried.
I was told that tubes were a last resort. My doctors were 
particularly against this sort of intervention,  they kept
telling me she'd outgrow it.  But after the 20th ear infection
and allergies to the two strongest antibiotics (Augmentin and Suprax)
even Ceclor didn't work.  My husband and I made the decision to 
pursue tubes.  It's been two weeks now, I now this sounds silly,
but she has been a different child.  She's happy all the time, her
vocabulary has grown by leaps and bounds, she repaets everything she
hears. We are keeping our fingers crossed. By the way we were also
told by the ear, nose and throat doctor that tubes were NOT a cure
all, ear infections could still accur, but not as often and we would
be able to catch tem earlier because the fluid would drain. (Cameron
was one of those pesky kids that never had any clear symptoms when she
had an infection. No fevr, no discernable pain, slept through the night,
she would just get kinda clingy and whiney)

My advise. . .give preventative maintenance a try, but uf those infections
get out of hand (it took us 20 over a 15 month period o decide enough was
enough) don't hesitate to get a second opinion.


e
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From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Letters to Santa
Date: 25 Dec 1992 14:15:43 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

I was done at the San Francisco Post office today, going through the
letters to Santa that end up in the dead letter office. They have a
Santa's Little Helper program, where one can go in and select a few
letters and try to fulfil the wishes of the kids who write to Santa.
Some of the letters were really heartbreakers, like the one by a 
little girl asking Santa for her lost Shih-Tzu dog back. Another touching
one asked for nothing except that Santa wake her up when he came so she
could talk to him. Of course, there were those who had make four page long
lists of what they wanted, and typewritten too!!! ( The Super NES system
seemed to be the most requested gift... Santa better have some shares
in Nintendo... ) Another thing I noticed as I leafed through the letters
were the way the kids had addressed them:- Mr and Mrs Santa Claus,
North Pole, 00000. or simply Santa Claus.

I did choose one letter sent by a woman who listed the names of
several children, their ages and their sizes. So now I have two gifts
waiting to be delivered... =)

Anyway, Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to all on misc.kids. If you're
in the Bay Area, you might want to try playing Santa next year. Reindeer
not required. =)

Chua
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Subject: Center for Disease Control (CDC) - Phone number?
Organization: Scripps Inst. of Oceanography - MPL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:17:31 GMT

Our pediatrician told us that whenever we need to go abroad, his office will 
call the CDC to find out the immunization requirements for children (and adults,
for that matter) for the country in question. There seems to be an 800 number
for CDC. Does anybody know it?

Thanx.

Martin
(father of Tommy - 8.5 mo.)
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen)
Subject: Re: Maternity lv and day care
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:51:25 GMT

In article <ddg-241292084132@dgregorio.mitre.org>, ddg@mitre.org (Donna D. Gregorio) writes:
> I am expecting my second child in May and am trying to decide what to do
> about continuing Day Care for my first 2.5 yr old daughter while on
> maternity leave (3 months).  I would like to take her out of Day Care and
> spend the time with her and the new baby.  I've been told by the Day Care
> center director and others that this may negatively affect her, since she's
> used to going to Day Care now 3 days a week.  Anyone have any
> advice/experience they'd like to share?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> - Donna


If you can afford it, I'd let her keep going.  Maybe cut back hours
some.  Brief separations are good for both child and parent, IMHO.
I wanted to save money after my baby was born (my older child was 5),
but was locked in with my reimbursement account, so I kept him
in day care and ended up being glad I did, because teh baby was more
demanding than I's expected, and this way I could nap when the baby
napped, and my rambuctious older son didn't waken the baby up.
Another woman at my current day care pulled her 2-year-old out
for a several weeks after the new baby was born, and then brought her
back part-time because the togetherness was a littel too much of
a good thing.   Remeber that the birth of a younger sibling can
affect the older child's personality.


-- 
Diane Pedersen
AT&T Bell Laboratories
Naperville, Illinois
att!ihlpe!elonich
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: About circumcision
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:33:36 EST

In article <1992Dec19.171659@IASTATE.EDU> mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin)
writes:

   > Here's an odd fact I bet you didn't know:  some biblical
   > historians now believe that Jews began circumcision to correct a
   > medical problem prevelent in their gene pool...probably a
   > foreskin that wouldn't retract properly.  They suspect this is
   > behind the story of Abraham's inability to father children
   > also.

Hmm...and all this time I thought the "problem" was with Sarah, since Abe did
manage to father a son through Hagar.  Oh well, you learn something new every
day.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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From: cconell@reed.edu (Carol Conell)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Daycare vs. Nanny; FT vs. PT for an Infant
Date: 24 Dec 92 18:46:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec24.184630.17521
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

Re: When do children start benefitting from group situations.  
They clearly play well together by 18 months or sooner, if they have
been together regularly.
Having had both of my children in cooperative
group day care, 1 starting with just
15 hours (3 of which) I was present at 6 weeks and 1 starting 1/2 time
at 10 months, 
I've watched lots of children that age and they play much more advanced
games together than children who have not had continual involvement
with similar aged children.
Presumably any parent of several close together children could
testify to the same effect, but it's quite amazing how much younger
kids play and socialize relative to what the books seem to suggest.
Does this mean that it's better for them than a nanny--I wouldn't
think so.
Provided that you have a real "nanny," i.e., someone paid an adequate
wage to attract someone who loves to play with children and stays with
you for several years and takes them out to play just like a traditional
mom, I would imagine that a nanny would be just as good right up through
the school years.  After all many people stay home
with their mothers or fathers and thrive and 
play groups, etc. can provide all the 
play with other playmates that children need and this can help minimize
the exposure to other children's illnesses that daycare generates as
well as avoiding problems with childcare when yours does become ill.
So if a nanny is more convenient for you, don't worry about it.

-- 
Carol Conell; Sociology; Reed College; Portland, OR 97202 (503) 771-1112
From: twriter3@pencom.com (Denise Fischer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Whining and semantics...any single parents out there?
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:46:29 GMT
Reply-To: twriter3@pencom.com (Denise Fischer)
Organization: Pencom Software

I'm a little nervous about posting to the net, seeing
the wars and flames that get started over everything.
I hope I've made this as non-inflammatory as possible:

As a single parent who reads this news group, I'm sad at 
how bogged down some parents get in semantics and trying
to dictate their views to other parents. I can't relate to many 
of the debates and flame wars that get going because as a
single parent, you just get to do it by yourself (no, I'm
not looking for any sympathy (-: ).

There are so many REAL parenting issues. Why do we spend
time debating over the semantics of saying "We're pregnant" 
(just once I would have loved to have the opportunity
to say that) or flaming people asking for advice or debating 
over who gets to change the diaper? Some days I wish misc.kids
looked more like a safe place to get information
instead of a place where parents flame at will! (I have
gotten some valuable information, although it's taken a while
to dig through some of the other stuff.)

I need information on dealing with a precocious 4-1/2 year
old daughter and would like to share stories with someone.
I would also like to get in touch with any other single 
parents out there who would like to swap more relevant stories
than what often gets posted in misc.kids. If you are interested
in swapping information and stories, please email me at the
address below.

..and my apologies in advance if there is already a newsgroup
for single parents that I haven't yet found...

Denise Fischer (proud single mom to Ingrid, age 4-1/2 years)
twriter3@pencom.com
From: mueller@gdc.com (Kevin Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Daycare & being sick
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:25:20 GMT
Organization: General DataComm Ind. Inc., Middlebury, CT 06762
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Allen Warren (allen@tessi.com) wrote:
> 33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik) writes:
> 
> >My son Zachary (19 months) is now attending a Daycare Center.  He loves
> >it!  Hes learned so much in the 2 months that he has been there.  He
> >was in an in home daycare before with only one other toddler.
> 
> >The problem Im having is that Zachary has been sick alot since he has
> >started at this daycare.  It started with a cold and then a cough and
> 
> Cory is 3.5, his younger brother Nicky is 1.5.  Cory has been in day
> care (2 or 3 days a week) for a little over a year now.  Like some good
> friends of ours who have a daughter in day care, Cory seems to get a
> cold once or twice a month because there is ALWAYS at least one sick
> child in daycare.

Hate to be the bearer (sp?) of bad news but this just gets worse 
as the children hit school. I have two that are going through
this process and I have NEVER had this many colds before.

	Good luck
			M^2
--
Martin Mueller
General DataComm
Middlebury, CT  06762-1299
(203) 758-1811 x7565
mueller@gdc.com 

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@ca.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: Re: "Official" Misc.kids most popular baby names!
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:52:33 GMT

In article <3427@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> sdavis@khan.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:
>As generated from the newly revised misc.kids "membership list", here is a
>composite of all the childrens first names and their number of occurances.
>This list is provided in alpha order.
>[...]

As generated from the composite of names :-) here are the top names in
each category, cut-off point being 4 entries.  These lists are in most-to-
least entries order.  (Undertook because my son's name, Benjamin (21 months),
looked kindof high, and I wanted to see just how high...).  I did it 
quick, so please excuse any errors, or mistakes on gender assumption!

Male:

	Michael 9
	Christopher 8
	David 7
	Benjamin 6
	Jeffrey 6
	Daniel 5
	Jacob 5
	James 5
	Joshua 5
	Nicholas 5
	Samuel 5
	Alan 4
	Jeremy 4
	Joseph 4
	Matthew 4
	Robert 4
	Ryan 4
	Thomas 4
	William 4
	Zachary 4

Female:

	Elizabeth 9
	Sarah 7
	Emily 6
	Amanda 5
	Jennifer 5
	Allison 4
	Katherine 4
	Stephanie 4

Unknown:

	Sean 5   (I personally know both a boy and a girl with this
		  name, same spelling...)

Ken
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Hormonally Enhanced
From: swk004@marshall.wvnet.edu
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:53:31 -0500
 <1992Dec16.132500.4890@hemlock.cray.com><BzEzyI.su@inews.Intel.COM> <NICHAEL.92Dec18144249@kariba.bbn.com>
Organization: Marshall University

In article <NICHAEL.92Dec18144249@kariba.bbn.com>, nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) writes:
> 
> (Ah the joys of living with the hormonily-enhanced.   ;)
> 
> N

Ah, yes, I was more hormonally enhanced than most.  I vividly remember
breaking down and *sobbing* when I viewed a cup and a pool of liquid
lying near a coffee machine in the hospital lobby.  

I was just sure that some poor person who desperately needed that cup
of coffee had used their last quarter to purchase it and now they
were coffeeless.  The fact that I really, really missed coffee when 
I was pregnant may have had something to do with this.

But Jerry learned to quickly click the remote when McDonald's commercials
came on (I was newly pregnant during the holidays).....a typical holiday
McDonald's commercial would set me to sniveling, boohooing or outright
sobbing without fail.

Connie
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Love you forever (was Re: Hormonally Enhanced
Date: 28 Dec 92 16:09:13 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <10321@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM>
>jim@ (Jim Fare) writes:
...
>>
>>Excellant book if you like to be emotionally manipulated by ficticious events
>>fabricated by some stranger.  Bah- Humbug!     :-)

Ah, a few disclaimers are in order:  I have not met Mr. Munsch,
nor have I read this particular story of his.

However, he is a professional storyteller (that is, he makes his
living by telling stories, not by writing books), and if he is anything
like those pros I have met, much of what appears in his stories
has, in fact, happened to him or those close to him.


Of course, the only explanation for the success of those who
produce fiction (as opposed to satire) is that their markets do,
in fact, like to be manipulated emotionally.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Re: Circum.: When Parents Disagree : -(
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: default
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:15:42 GMT

In <1992Dec28.150203.28794@exu.ericsson.se> exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364) writes:

>In article 1844@netcom.com, shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec23.212132.22722@ntmtv> missy@ntmtv.UUCP (Missy Iaquinto) writes:
>> >
>> >I'm counting on you, misc.kidder's .... not to make the decision, but
>> >to give some helpful advice ... NOT to debate circumcision, but to
>> >relate experiences when the parents disagree strongly about it ...
>> >
>> >What to do?


>Teri,

>Sounds like the husband get a no win situation.  

>Shouldn't you also watch the circumcision?

>They way some people talk about circumcision you would think that huge bulky
>knives are used without any safeguards.

>It's been a few years since I watched my oldest get circumsized. I was amazed
>at how fast it took place (less than five minutes).

>The first thing that happened (not counted in time) was that my son was given
>his bath (all the babies got baths each morning).  

>Then he was placed in his bassenet in the nurses station along with the other
>two boys to be circumsized that day.

>From what I remember the actual circumcision took place like this.

>1.  Penis wiped with alcohol.

>2.  Numbing agent (lotion/gel) applied. (note:  not all doctors use).

>3.  A two piece plastic ring was put on.  One piece under the foreskin and one
>    above (they "snapped" together).

>4.  A string was tied along the grove in the top ring.

>5.  The doctor cut along one side of the string in the grove.  The the plastic
>    ring under the foreskin insured that the doctor wouldn't accidently cut 
>    more then he was supposed to.

>Yes, my son did cry, but it wasn't a pain cry, it was more of why don't you leave
>me alone I want to go back to sleep cry.  He started crying at the bath and stop
>a few minutes after the circumcision was completed (he went back to sleep).

>-Serena



Its strange that in YOUR interpretation your son didn't have a "pain"
cry during circumcision. The American Academy Of Pediatric task force
report indicates that infants do experience pain during circumcision
and cites several studies in the appendix. The criteria used were
blood steriod levels,cry patterns,sleep patterns and maternal-infant
relationships. Your son must be the exception?
That infants feel pain during circumcision is scientifically documented
so it is rather interesting that many pro-circ parents wish to deny it!
This however is not the ultimate reason for not choosing the circumcision
option.
--
            ******** Gary E. Davis***** WQ1F *****
 The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the
 palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.-H.L.Mencken
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Christmas Tree
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:45:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.144712.24297@sq.sq.com> barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows) writes:
>
>Here's a semi-serious (I'll find out how serious on Saturday) question.
>What does one do with active toddlers around a Christmas tree.  Jordan
>is 14 months old...very curious....very stubbo...oops, persistent.  How
>do we prevent him and the tree from suffering damage?

Here are two things you can do that will go a long way: First, secure
the tree to the wall or other stable object (ceiling hook, window
frame, large piece of furniture, etc.) with strong twine or wire, so
that it can't fall over, no matter who tries to climb it.  Second,
don't decorate the tree within the child's reach.  It looks a little
funny, but it beats a trip to the emergency room.

This is the time of year when plastic surgeons get the most referrals
from pediatricians.  Let's be careful out there.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Xref: sparky misc.legal:21660 comp.sys.sun.misc:5970
From: koreth@spud.Hyperion.COM (Steven Grimm)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,comp.sys.sun.misc
Subject: Put away your Motif manual; Sun's lawyers are at the door!
Date: 22 Dec 1992 13:12:57 -0800
Organization: Hyperion, Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: spud.hyperion.com

From the license agreement on the back of the Solaris 2.1 CD:

2. License to Develop.  In the event that Customer desires to develop software
programs which incorporate portions of Software ("Developed Programs"), the
following provisions apply, to the extent applicable: Developed Programs are
to be OPEN LOOK(R) compliant and have an application programming interface
that is the same as that of Software; fonts within Software are to remain
associated with their toolkit or server; Developed Programs may be used and
distributed, but only on computer equipment licensed to utilize Solaris
operating system software, unless an additional Developer's License Agreement
has been executed by SunSoft and Customer; Customer is not licensed to
develop printing applications or print using fonts in F3(TM) format, unless
Customer has secured a license for NeWSprint(TM); and Customer agrees to
indeminfy, hold harmless and defend SunSoft from and against any claims or
suits, including attorneys' fees, which arise or result from distribution
or use of Developed Programs.

Whew.  So, in a nutshell, as I read it:

- I can't port a Motif application to Solaris 2.1.
- My program can't send things to my line printer unless I buy NeWSprint.
- If I develop a library, its API has to look the same as Solaris' (whatever
  THAT means).
- If a Solaris bug causes disk corruption while someone is using my software,
  I have to hire attorneys to defend SunSoft if the user decides to sue,
  even if the suit doesn't involve me at all.

Sun pays people to write this drivel?  Is there even a remote possibility
that half these provisions wouldn't be laughed immediately out of court?
Am I the only one who thinks the above is pretty ridiculous?

-Steve
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Subject: Re: Sorry, we don't accept cash... Huh?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:10:24 GMT

  The gas station I usually trade at has a policy of not accepting
large bills (fifties or hundreds) and has a sign up saying that.
So they accept only some kinds of cash!

--henry schaffer
Newsgroups: misc.legal