From: bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Subject: Re: SURVEY <-- Please Read This One!
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:34:12 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Aug21.082159.295@doc.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@doc.bmd.trw.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.230043.13220@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug20.144304.293@doc.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@doc.bmd.trw.com writes:
>> 
>If condoms could actually help to prevent AIDS, I would be all for it.
>But they won't.  They can't.  If condoms are only 80% effective against
>pregnancy without the aid of a spermicide as reported in the little
>info sheets than come with birth control pills that discuss alternative
>birth control options, then how does anyone seriously think that condoms
>will help prevent HIV infection during long-term sexual activity?  The HIV
>is much smaller than a sperm, and there isn't any "AIDSicide" to use
>with the condom.  At best you might have a 4 in 5 chance of protecting
>yourself, and this might be helpful for an occasional frolic, but it's 
>not much help for repeated liaisons.

  Bullshit.  Condoms are statistically only 80% effective because
  people don't use them correctly.  My wife and I have used condoms as
  our only birth control device (no spermicide) over the last 7
  years.  We have two children, and when we decided to produce(?)
  them it took all of exactly 1 month on both attempts.  Don't tell
  me that condoms aren't effective, else I'd have what appears to be
  a perfectly natural Catholic or Mormon family by now.

>
>The problem is that condoms will give people a false sense of security
>and the HIV infection rate will go up.  That's why decent minded citizens
>oppose the distribution of condoms.  It promotes sexual activity in
>teenagers by providing this false sense of security.  The *only*
>*rational* preventive measures against AIDS remains abstinence and
>*strict* monogamy.

  Well, us indecent minded citizens remember what it was like being
  a teenager.  Specifically, most teenage males are *very*
  interested in sex, and almost all teenagers consider themselves
  indestructible.  Read the August 3rd edition of _Newsweek_ for a
  closer look at the facts.  Teenagers will have sex, whether you
  approve or not.  Perhaps this anti condom thing is really just a
  Christian plot to weed out the moral undesirables in this
  country?

>> It isn't, although I do identify with homosexuals since
>> they are another group in society which is discriminated against for
>> the despicable crime of being different.
>> 
>
>They are not "discriminated" against at all *under the law*.  They have
>the same rights as any other individual.  If you mean that they are
>discriminated against by individual bigots, then fine, everyone, me and
>you included, runs into people who are bigotted against us occasionally.

  Get your facts right before you make an even greater ass out of
  yourself.  Currently, homosexuals can be denied housing,
  employment, and I'm certain many other of your rights simply on
  the basis of sexual orientation.  The local ACLU chapter in my
  state did a news bit about the problem.  When a homosexual walks
  into their office with a complaint about discrmination, all they
  can do is nod their head in sympathy, pat the bloke on the back,
  and send him on his way.  


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Bob Beauchaine bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM 

"If I have to resurrect you, I'll resurrect you, whether you like it
or not!"
	 Paul to Jesus, _The_Last_Temptation_of_Christ_

"For dying is not to be feared--it is the final comfort.  As we all
learn, eventually."

  --Robert Heinlein