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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:03:40 PDT
From:         Doug Gould <5315P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Christ-like Service

Recently, a friend of mine told me a true story.  He said I could share
it with you folks.  But he wants to remain annonymous.  Enjoy.

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You asked about the stray cat - well this is what happened:

I came home from work on Monday evening (a week ago yesterday)
and found a cat "meowing" in our back garden. My wife, Gwen, said
it had been there all day so we looked at its collar and found a
telephone number.

We 'phoned up the number and got through to an arthritic woman
in Cardiff. She couldn't fetch the cat (it was hers, it had been
missing for two weeks) because of her arthritis and her husband
was in Jersey on business (Jersey is one of the channel islands,
close to Normandy in France, but counted as part of the British
isles for historical reasons).

We phoned the Royal Society for the Prevention of Crulety to
Animals, but they said they did not have the resources to fetch
the cat so we did not know what to do.

Anyway, a friend of mine came around at that point and as we
discussed the situation we agreed we could take the cat to
Cardiff which is about one hundred and twenty miles away (and a three
hour drive as there are no motorways in mid Wales), so that is what we
did. I drove and my friend talked to the cat!

We arrived back in Merthyr Tydfil at about 2 A.M.

What is fairly amazing is that the cat would walk that far in the
first place! Perhaps though it got stuck on a lorry (sorry,
truck) travelling North somehow.

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I changed the names in order to honor his request for confidentiality,
including the name of the town he's from in Wales.  So, if you know
Welsh geography well enough to realize Merthyr Tydfil and Cardiff
aren't 120 miles apart, please understand the story is nonetheless
true.

The point of sharing this with you folks is I think it's such a great
example of Christ-like love to someone who is "house-ridden," due to
arthritis.  A stranger performed a great act of kindness "unto the
least of these, my children," to paraphrase Jesus.  What's "fairly
amazing" is that the Lord has helped us have a great enough heart
to drive the 240 miles round-trip for the sake of a cat, and more . . .

Praise the Lord,

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From:         MARCHIBOLD@MSCD.BITNET
Subject:      Re: "Safe Sex"

Darryl -

I haven't read the book you referred to but - I have been practicing
natural family planning for 26 years.  The lifespan of the sperm inside a
woman's body is less than 36 hours.  There really is just a window of
opportunity for pregnancy to take place - about 8 days max and that's a
generous length of time.

In Him

Molly Archibold MARCHIBOLD@MSCD.BITNET
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:38:02 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Changing A Church (was twice-covered heads)
              13 Apr 1992 16:18:11 GMT from <kilroy@GBORO.GLASSBORO.EDU>

Darren:

I am merely saying that if you want to change the things that, in fact,
make the Catholic church different from other churches, you might just
as well create a new church (or join an existing church) and call it
something else!  If the Catholic church were to abandon its traditional
doctrines, practices, and beliefs, how could it remain the "Catholic"
church?

In the same way, an Anabaptist congregation that rejects believer's baptism,
community, or Biblical pacifism is not in conformance to the Anabaptist
tradition, and should no longer consider itself Anabaptist.  Some things
are negotiable; others are not.  Those things which make a denomination or
a church fundamentally different are foundational and cannot be changed
without altering the character of the denomination or church.  Once those
things are changed, you have a new church, not a reformed old one.

The Protestant Reformation and the Anabaptist revolt did not create new
versions of the Catholic Church.  They rejected foundational parts of
Catholicism and, accordingly, left it for something else.

I hope that clears things up.

                                  Love INC,
                                           ---Kerry
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:12:31 EST
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Biblical NT Church Leadership - Part 02

Following is part 02 of my bible study notes....
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APOSTLES
--------

Apostles are church planters.
Apostles govern.

What are they not? Missionaries. The word apostle means "sent out", but not
		   all who are sent out are called apostles.

What are they?	"Sent One"	John 13:16
Not self appointed, but sent by God.
They are not ones that stay, but ones that Go..

The fruit of an apostles labour is handed to the elders of the church (ie
souls, new churches planted etc).
Apostles CAN NOT own or control - they hand over to the jurisdiction of the
elders. 			Acts 14:23

Apostles Minister in all churches, but control none, except when they are the
presiding or visionary lead elder of that church. 	Acts 13

Apostles are never mentioned as being "The Apostle of a certain place"
They are translocal.

Apostles and elders are often associated together in local church leadership
Acts 15:2,4,6,22,23

One man can be both an apostle and an elder. (ie Peter, John, James)
Apostle		Luke 6:13
Elder		1 Peter 5:1, 2 John 1, 3 John 1.

NOTE: An apostle can not be higher than an elder in a local church, other
wise we develop a papacy, or create a 'pope'. Such a system is unbiblical.

Who are the apostles?

1) Jesus	Heb 3:1, John 13:16, John 3:17

2) 12 Apostles. Witnesses of Christs ressurection
	Acts 1:22,26	- number was fixed
	Rev 21:14
	Mat 10:2
	John 6:70-71

3) Other Apostles
	More apostles named than other Eph 4 ministries
	22 Apostles, 4 Prophets, 1 Evangelist, 1 Teacher

Nt Apostles mentioned by name: 12 original, Mathias, Barnabas,
Andronicus (Rom 16:7), Junia, Silus (Silvanas), Timothy (1 Thes 1:1, 2:7),
James the natural brother of Jesus (Gal 1:19), Apollos (1 Cor 4:9-62?),
Epaphroditus (phi; 2:25)

There are false apostles mentioned in the bible - rev 2:2, 2 Cor 11:13
This shows that the number of apostles have not been fixed at 12, but the
12 were SPECIAL apostles.. (major church heresy)


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Ian Williams          			Internet: iwilliam@au.oracle.com
Oracle Systems         			Phone   : +61 8 239 3900
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:38:38 CDT
From:         Lonnie Schubert <S096556@UMRVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Children/blessing

Darryl,
As I have often asserted, people will believe whatever they want to believe
for whatever reasons they deem appropriate.  I believe it is selfevident.
Please feel free to take my assertion that a child is always a blessing of
the Lord any way you please.

I was hoping any interested parties would show sufficeint self motivation
to look in a Strong's or Young's and find if in fact God would support such
an assertion.
   Lonnie Schubert
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:27:08 EST
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Water Baptism
              13 Apr 1992 12:10:14 EST from <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>

Ian,  Out of curiosity, who thinks that only an ordained minister or
priest can baptize?  The Catholic Church doesn't think so.

Marty Helgesen
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:00:09 -0600
From:         DRAKE@ASUCP2.LA.ASU.EDU
Subject:      AIDS part 1
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	I seem to have sent my brother only parts 2 & 3 of the John
Ankleberg show on AIDS.  He is interested in seeing part one.  (I don't know
why.....:-))  Coulod the original post-er send it on to me?

Thanks

Mark Drake
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Subject: Re: Should women cover their heads?
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:24:13 GMT
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In article <CHRISTIA%92040810371817@ASUACAD.BITNET> LOOT@SNYSYRV1.BITNET (ALICE
LOO) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>        Last Sunday, the speaker at my church preached on a
>rather controversial topic -- that women should cover their
>heads during worship. His sermon was based on 1 Corinthians
>11:3-16. My pastor apparently believes in this practice, and
>a good proportion of women in my church do cover their heads
>with scarfs, etc. But personally, I'm not convicted to do so.
>How do you interpret this passage? Is covering of heads practised
>in your church? I would very much like to hear your sharing
>on this subject.
>
>        For those of you who don't have a bible handy, here's
>the passage <Passage deleted>

It seems to me that Paul is teaching that the Corinthian women
should have their heads covered.

It seems to me that the major issue is whether this teaching is
relevant to today's Christians. It is my belief that it is. You
see, although it might be argued that Paul is teaching that given
the culture of the time, the head should be covered, it should
be observed that he appeals to such things as 'because of the
angels'. That still stands today, I suggest.

In the church to which I belong, women cover their heads. I am
aware that in many churches this is not practised, and many
believe that either Paul never taught that heads should be
covered or that his teaching is no longer applicable. I
hope that my very brief statement of my own viewpoint hasn't
offended!

Andrew.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:26:18 EDT
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jesus Christ Superstar

Kerry,  I've seen Godspell, both the stage version and the movie.  It
was pretty good except that it ended with the Crucifixion, not the
Resurrection.

I never saw Jesus Christ, Superstar, although I have a vague recollection
of watching a little bit of it on television and falling asleep.  I don't
know whether that actually happened or not.  I do remember hearing a
country song when the show first came out called:
"I Knew Jesus Before He Was A Superstar"

Marty Helgesen
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From:         Dennis Davidson <DDAVIDSON@CBACC.CBA.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Demas
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In II Timothy 4:10 Paul says 'For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this
present world, and is depart unto -----'. Would someone explain how the
Spirit has showed them what this scripture means? I believe that Demas was a
follower of Christ, as Paul was, but he wanted to love the things of the
world rather than the love of God.  Will Demas on judgement day, and please I
know we are not judges, will we receive the words ' enter into the joys of
the Lord' or put to the left with the lost and be cast into the lake of fire?

Your servant in Christ,

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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:40:50 EDT
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Nomail

I am going to set nomail for a few days.  I pray you all have a happy and
safe holiday.  God bless you all.

                             Love, Bernice
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Date:         Sun, 5 Apr 1992 16:22:00 CST
From:         "Darryl (The Other Brother) Johnson" <DJOHNSON@TCUCVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Yoga & Medicine

I was thinking about the nonChristian origin of Yoga, and
realized that if we reject yoga for this reason, we must reject
modern medicine for the same reason.  It is based beyond extraction
in the ancient Greek mythic gods.

The Hippocratic Oath, which all doctors must take, originally
had a verse where the doctor swore eternal allegiance to the
god Apollo.

Also, the modern medicine symbol of the staff entwined by one or
two snakes comes from the walking staff of an ancient Greek god.
His nickname was Quicksilver; I can't remember which god he was.
Anyway, he walked with the aid of a staff with two snakes entwined
about it.  If you check the Yellow Pages listings of doctors and
hospitals, you will find this symbol everywhere.

Only two examples, but these were drawn from memory.  I'm sure
research would expose many more ties.

Hhhmmmmmmm.

I\ /\ I\ I\ \/ I   Texas         "Treat the other man's faith
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:58:09 -0500
From:         F_GRIFFITH@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU
Subject:      RE: Modern Revelation and the Pope
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  I hope that no one interpreted Marty's statement about the Pope not
being a prophet as meaning that the Catholic Church denies the present
day working of the gift of prophecy.  God still speaks through prophecy
to specific groups and individuals.

                         Reynolds
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:12:11 EST
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Guided imagery

        Kerry

        I disagree with your advice to get out of a church that is teach-
        ing guided imagery and visualization.  One should not abandon
        such a congregation to error but should oppose the error.  Why
        let the proponents of errors take over everything?

        Could you explain why guided imagery and visualization are demo-
        nic and dangerous and how you used them to draw Christians away
        from their faith?  (If you could then expand the explanation into
        an article, I can think of several Catholic magazines that proba-
        bly would be very interested in publishing it.  If there's not
        enough for a full length article I can think of Catholic papers
        that would publish an op.ed. length article.)  That information
        could be useful in opposing the practices.

        Marty Helgesen
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:45:22 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
              10 Apr 1992 18:06:26 -0800 from <whchen@CS.NTHU.EDU.TW>

Allen:

I have a friend who used to work for Swaggart.  He left when he felt that
Jimmy was starting to get too wrapped up in the money and the power.  He feels
that Jimmy was anointed of God, but lost his commission when he fell to
temptation.  His advice:  follow the Christian leader AS THE CHRISTIAN LEADER
FOLLOWS CHRIST.  NO EXCEPTIONS.  Hope that helps.
                                                 Love INC,
                                                          ---Kerry
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 10:14:54 CST
From:         CXKJP%UTXDP.bitnet@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject:      RE: too proud
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Nigel--
I too struggle with pride. It is truly a diabolical sin that
Satan loves to encourage. I have found a prayer that is good to
say in the morning before I start the day. It has helped me
tremendously. Perhaps it will help you.
    " Heavenly Father, I enter by faith today into death with
the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross. I appropriate all of the
benefit of the crucifixion which is mine because of my union
with Christ. I count myself dead to my olf fleshly nature and
all of its workings through my union with Christ at the cross.
I recognize that my old nature always wants to resurrect itself
against you and  your will for my life, but I will to let it
remain dead in death with my Lord on the cross. I am thankful
that this absolute truth can be my subjective experience. I
recognize that appropriating the death of my flesh is an
essential step to victory over these fleshly temptations which
buffet me. Amen."

  Even though pride is not considered a 'fleshly sin', this
prayer is basically about dying to the old man, and pride is
a part of that.


love,

Kim
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:50:00 EDT
From:         The List Minor <VCHAI@SMITH.BITNET>
Subject:      Dayspring

   Dayspring will be performing in the 'Pops' concert Friday night.
   We will be singing 2 songs which we have only rehearsed for
   about 2 weeks (not enough time as usual).  Please say a short
   prayer for us.  It's a really _big_ event, everyone and their
   grandmothers will be there, and we are the _only_ Christian
   singing group at Smith, and we need to sing _well_.  We are
   all very nervous about singing, as this is also the first
   time we'll be singing this particular 2 songs for "public
   consumption."  We need all the prayers we can get.  Thanks!


   In Christ, (and sleeping to "You Put This Love In My Heart"
    every night!  :-) )

   Vicky
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:33:00 EDT
From:         Jeff Shirton <SHIRTON@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Happy Birthday, Jesus!

Doug,

> What better forum than CHRISTIA for celebrating the Lord's actual
> birthday?  I'm sure it's no surprise to most Christians that Dec 25th
> is not His actual birthday.  It's my understanding that many Christian
> scholars agree He was born some time in the Spring.

I'm very glad you brought it forth in this fashion.  The last time a
Mormon told me Christ's birthday was April 6, it was an attempt to show
how "wrong" mainstream Christianity was because we "mistakenly" thought
that he was really born in December.  Needless to say, I wasn't impressed.

I'm glad you're more informed than your LDS brother.

>  I believe the actual date was April 6th.

So do a lot of Mormons, or so I hear.  From what I understand, it's within
the range that scholars predict, and I can't deny that it may be this day.
The important thing to remember, though, is our Saviour.  In fact, I'd like
to think that _every_ day is His birthday, as He is received into each new
believer into the body of Christ.

Thank you, Jesus, for your saving grace!

Jeff Shirton
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:48:38 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 4/15
X-To:         Christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

"I am God, and there is none like Me, declaring the end from the beginning, and
from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall
stand, and I will do all my pleasure ... yea I have spoken it, I will also
bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it" (Isaiah 46:9-11).

"Before Him Whom he believed, even God Who quickeneth the dead, and calleth
those things which be not as though they were ... being fully persuaded that,
what He had promised, He was able also to perform" (Romans 4:17-21).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo
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Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 08:56:48 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: your mail

More on Swaggart/Bakker...

We had a speaker on campus here last week... 'Rice' something (Rice Morrow..? )
Anyway, he gets asked all the time about how he feels about Jimmy Swaggart.
So, he just told us, since he knew it was coming anyway.  He said what he'll
tell a person is something like..

"Yes, that's right, Swaggart got himself in trouble.  He didn't do what
it says to do in the Bible.  Now, let's talk about _you_..."

:-)   That's a paraphrase, and I didn't do it justice.  Hopefully, you get
the idea.  He mentioned a few times that he was confused by all those people
who complain about how so many televangelists are hypocrites, but then
those same people live in such a manner that they'll spend up spending
eternity with those hypocrites whom they hate so much...

Again, I'm not doing him justice.  Wonderful speaker, though.  Has anyone else
on here heard him, or heard of him?

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Kurt Ludwick
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:43:08 CDT
From:         Lonnie Schubert <S096556@UMRVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      How to change this (subject heading)

The way I change subject headings (assuming I remember to), is to use
the arrow keys to relocate the curser in the subject heading and type
over the old heading.  This results in a warning from listserv that
header changes can result in undeliverable mail.  As long as you watch
where you type, changing the subject heading will not mess up the send.
(There is a way to enter a new subject as an option when envoking the
reply command, but this is simple and does work, and I don't know the
format for the option.)
   Lonnie Schubert
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