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From: astefani@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Stefanidis)
Subject: RE: "Macedonians" in the Olympics....
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:43:53 GMT


 I was really surprised to see the message concerning the participation of
"Macedonian" athletes in the Olympics. The olympic movement and ideals should
not be used for cheap political propaganda. The IOC correctly allowed athletes
from this ex-Yugoslavian province to participate since everybody should be 
given the honor to compete in these games, even when they come from
non-recognized "states", as is the case with Skopje. That's one thing. 
It's another thing though to use this non-political decision, clearly of 
humanitarian nature, to claim some sort of political acceptance of the
falsified and stolen name that the Skopje State is trying so impudently to
appropriate. Both EEC and USA have made clear their position on the unfounded
and rather irritating claim of Skopjans to the Greek history.

It is relieving though to see that the original message clearly indicates that
Skopjans have nothing to do with the Olympic spirit and the Greek philosophy
and tradition that they try so hard to embezzle. Not only do they fail to
understand the meaning of the games and subsequently of the IOC decision, but
even their newspaper proudly admits that it is "the first time in Olympic
history" they participate as "Macedonians". Of course it is the first time!
When the true Greek Macedonians were participating along with the rest of
Greece in the Olympics some centuries B.C., the newly self-discovered
"Macedonians" were wandering somewhere in another continent.
As far as the modern era Olympics are concerned, the name "Macedonia" was not 
given to the specific Yugoslavian area until 1945 when the communist regime of 
Tito thought that stealing history would give communism access to the Aegean 
Sea. So since they never existed as a state, let alone under the name
"Macedonia", how could they ever participate? Let's see now what name they are 
going to pick for the next Olympics...

I do not expect Skopjans of course to be familiar with Greek history since they
have nothing to do with it, but the Olympic ideals have become global values 
and should be respected above mean-spirited and unjustified political 
propaganda. In ancient Greece even wars were put on hold during the Olympics.

Anthony Stefanidis
The Ohio State University
From: rchen@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ronald K. Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Olympic Nation Abbr.?
Date: 26 Jul 92 03:29:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Croatia:  CRO
Estonia:   EST

The CIS countries for the moment are competing as Unified Team (EUN).

I have a complete list in my International ROwing Federation Directory.
Actually, I guess I only have it if the country is a member of FISA
(The International ROwing Federation).  Mozambique is not.
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From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: SWIMQUALIFIED: M's 400m Freestyle Final
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:54:55 GMT

>>   Men's 400 metres freestyle final qualifiers:
>> 1.  Kieren Perkins (Australia)          3 minutes 49.24 seconds
>> 2.  Evgeny Sadovyi (CIS)                           3:49.37
>> 3.  Anders Holmertz (Sweden)                       3:49.95
>> 4.  Stefan Pfeiffer (Germany)                      3:49.99
>> 5.  Danyon Loader (New Zealand)                    3:50.05
>> 6.  Ian Brown (Australia)                          3:50.12
>> 7.  Sebastian Wiese (Germany)                      3:50.73
>> 8.  Artur Wojdat (Poland)                          3:51.66

>Gee, anyone care to bet that this event will be shown in the NBC
>coverage? I think not...

	I was very surprised to see that it was covered.

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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: Re: Tatiana Gutsu (was re: GYMNASTICS: results)
Summary: Tatiana Gutsu does not qualify for AA despite 9th place finish
Keywords: gymnastics
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:19:30 GMT
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 05:00:00 GMT

apologies if this posts twice....

In article <1992Jul29.204457.26125@u.washington.edu> ileana@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ileana Blade) writes:
>rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless) writes:
>>The former Soviets were famous though for claiming that one or two of
>>their top three qualifiers were injured, and thus giving a qualifying
>>spot to a gymnast they believed could win the all-around.  Most
>>notably, in '85 they claimed that two of their qualifying gymnasts

>thanks for the info. 
>did you mean to imply that that was sort of justified since both times
>those forced substitutions ended up in victories?

Oh no, I did not mean to imply that at all, although I can see how one
would make that interpretation.  Falsely claiming one of your gymnasts
is injured (indirectly allowing another athlete to compete) is looked
upon with GREAT disfavor by the gymnastics world.  It is even
considered cheating by some and everyone regards it as unfair to the
gymnast that really did qualify.

>do you think it could happen with Tatiana? that they would have her

I would not be surprised, but I don't expect the EUN to pull that
trick again.

>substitute for Roza (who's really young and not so used to pressure)? 

Nadia was only 14 when she won.  Also, Galieva is not new to
international competition.  In 1991, she competed at the Worlds and
placed 9th in preliminaries but could not advance because she was not
one of the top three on her team (like Gutsu's situation now).  At the
1992 Worlds (which had events only, no AA or team competition), she
was 2nd on bars, 3rd on beam, and 4th on floor in prelims, but did not
advance to any finals because of the two gymnasts/country rule.

>and didn't the US do something similar with Kim Zmeskal by altering
>the order in the aparatus so she'd be more likely to receive higher
>scores from the judges, and favouring her over Kerry ?

Well... I would be willing to bet that Zmeskal was always slated to
perform 2nd to last on beam and bars and last on floor and vault, and
that her performance on compulsory beam wouldn't have an effect on the
lineups.  The American coaches would have been strongly criticized had
they changed the lineup.  (If you got that bit of information about
changing the line-up order from _USA Today_, please keep in mind that
this newspaper, while being wonderful for providing results, will
often stretch the truth to make a story...)

Rachele
From: chen@math.ufl.edu (HanCheng Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Baseball: Chinese Taipei vs. USA
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:08:01 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Originator: cl3@reef.cis.ufl.edu


>From soc.culture.taiwan
 
 Well, this year's US team is not as good as the '88 team (which had Jim Abbot
 (sp?) and many other good players.)  According to the news, after the game 
 with US, our team's coaches admitted that the major mistakes they made were 
 overestimating  US team's strength and so not letting our best pitcher KuoLee 
 Chien-Fu enter the game until the 8th inning.  Note that KuoLee allowed no 
 hits and gave three strike-outs in two innings of the game with US and allowed 
 only three hits in nine innings of the game with Puerto Rico*.
 
 Though this year our olympic team's whole pitching power is not comparable to 
 that of '84 and '88 teams, (only KuoLee Chien-Fu and Lin Chao-Huang are good 
 enough),its batting is very very impressive.  (Anyone who had follow the 
 radio coverage of the games closely would have no doubt about this.)
 I think our team will have a fairly good chance to beat US in the finals if
 two meet again.


Any comments?

* Chinese Taipei defeated Puerto Rico 10-1
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From: killer@punisher.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: MEDAL COUNT su 26.7.
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 18:55:54 GMT
Expires: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:00:00 GMT

(Adminstrative note:  Please feel free to correct errors especially
 in the names of the countries)

      MEDAL COUNT AS OF 26.7.

CIS		   2	  0	 0
China		   1      3      0
USA		   1	  1	 1
Bulgaria	   1	  1	 0
Hungary		   1	  1	 0
Australia	   1	  0	 1
Germany		   1	  0	 1
Korea		   1	  0	 0
Sweden		   0	  1	 1
France		   0	  1	 1
Italy		   0	  1	 0
Finland		   0	  0	 1
Holland		   0	  0	 1
Romany		   0	  0	 1

Aranka Binder	   -	  -	 1

The following events are counted:
(WARNING: Includes medalists of the individual events)

M 100m Breast (USA,HUN,AUS)
M 200m Freestyle (CIS,SWE,FIN)
M Free-pistol 60s (CIS,CHN,SWE)
M 100km timecycling (GER,ITA,FRA)
M Weight lifting 52kg (BUL,CHN,ROM)
F 100m Freestyle (CHN,USA,GER)
F 400m Multiple (HUN,CHN,USA)
F Air-rifle (KOR,BUL,---)
F Cross-Country Cycling (AUS,FRA,HOL)


         TOTAL MEDAL COUNT


USA		   754   572   487
Soviet Union	   395	 319   286
Great Britain	   172	 223   209
France		   164	 167   173
East Germany	   160	 153   141
Italy		   140	 114   115
Sweden		   134	 144   169
Hungary		   125	 114   137
Finland		    98	  75   111
Japan		    86	  75    81
West Germany	    79	 100   108
Germany		    74	  87    93
Australia	    74	  67	90
Romania		    55	  64	85
Checkoslovakia	    45	  51	46
Norway		    42	  33	34
Canada		    40	  62	76
Poland		    40	  56	95
Switzerland	    40	  55	53
Holland		    39	  44	60
Belgium		    39	  43	45
Bulgaria	    38	  63	52
Denmark		    33	  60	53
Yugoslavia	    26	  29	29
New Zeland	    25	   6	21
Turkey		    24	  13	10
Cuba		    23	  22	15
Greece		    22	  39	40
China		    21	  27	23
Austria		    18	  26	34
South Korea	    18	  22	25
South Africa	    15	  14	21
Argentina	    13	  19	14
Kenya		    11	   9	11
Mexico		     9	  12	18
India		     8	   3	 3
Brazil		     7	   9	20
Estonia		     6	   6	 9
Egypt		     5	  13	 8
Ireland		     5	   4	 5
Ethiopia	     5	   1	 4
Spain		     4	  13	 9
Iran		     4	  11	15
Jamaica		     4	  10	 6
Pakistan	     3	   3	 2
Morocco		     3	   1	 2
North Korea	     2	   5	 5
Portugal	     2	   4	 7
Uruguay		     2	   1	 6
Korea		     2	   0	 5
CIS		     2	   0	 0
Russia		     1	   4	 3
Venzuela	     1	   2	 5
Trinidad	     1	   2	 4
Tunisia		     1	   2	 2
Uganda		     1	   2	 1
Peru		     1	   2	 0
Luxemburg	     1	   1	 0
Bahama Islands	     1	   0	 1
Surinam		     1	   0	 0
Zimbabwe	     1	   0	 0



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From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Subject: Re: Countries of the 1st Olympics
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:03:14 GMT

In article <KILLER.92Jul29182428@robocop.hut.fi>, killer@niksula.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul28.145643.20995@odin.diku.dk> thorn@diku.dk (Peter Tjornsted) writes:
|> 
|>    Denmark has won medals in every other Olympic Games except 1904!!
|> 
|> Ah, but Finland has won at least one GOLD medal since 1906, giving
|> almost unequalled streak (Italy and UK equal, no nation has longer)!

I am quite sure Finland didn't even get a single olympic medal in 1906.
Totally shut out :-).

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: van@seurat.wustl.edu (Van Vo)
Subject: Re: TRAGEDY...
Organization: Washington University, School of Engineering, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:39:22 GMT

In article <92Jul23.161637.15337@acs.ucalgary.ca> spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca  
(Shane P Esau) writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.142107.1394@osf.org> ron@no.sync-swim.fan writes:
> >  It seems the reporter was assigned to witness ALL of the syncronized
> >  swimming events!
> >
> >-Ron
> >
> Ron
> 
> Your personal biases should be kept to yourself in matters such
> as these - you sound like a jerk by not feeling sorry for someone
> who lost their SO hours before they were to compete in the most
> significant competition intheir lives.  I can see the flames
> coming, but I think people should think for a few seconds before
> they write.
> 
> Shane

Agreed.

Van
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: SWIMQUALIFIED: M's 400m Freestyle Final
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:58:26 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <5536@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> roat@rrc.chevron.com writes:
<In article nts14ds@fido.asd.sgi.com, shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:
<>Gee, anyone care to bet that this event will be shown in the NBC
<>coverage? I think not...
<
<No.

IT WAS SHOWN!  In its entirety.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov

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From: etchuck@helix.nih.gov (Emil Thomas Chuck)
Subject: Re: US/Japan volleyball protest
Keywords: protest
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:23:29 GMT

millerm@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Mikemoe) writes:
:As soon as someone finds out the results of the
:Japanese protest of yesterday's match, please
:post it.
:
:FYI...my understanding of the protest is due
:to possible referee error. Allegedly, the ref
:should have ejected a USA player, instead of
:giving him another (his 2nd) warning for yelling
:at a ref. This ejection would also have awarded
:Japan with another point...that point would
:have given the 4th game (and match) to Japan.
:Instead, USA turns it around and wins 4th and 5th
:games for the match.

To my knowledge, the Japanese protest was granted. I don't know what
the FIVA committee decided as to the recourse. I think they'll replay the
game from the point of protest.

--
Emil Thomas Chuck 			etchuck@helix.nih.gov
BioSystems 26 (1992) 177-183. (3d author)
"Spending the taxpayers' money as I want." 
DISCLAIMER: You don't think I'd speak for the government, do you?
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: USA/Japan Volleyball Dispute
Date: 30 Jul 92 01:16:30 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <1992Jul29.193525.19142@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
 > In article <KILLER.92Jul29203108@robocop.hut.fi>, killer@niksula.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:
 > |> I think they should make a counter-protest conserning the late entry
 > |> of the Japanese protest.  That way the precedent would have to be set
 > |> aside.
I hear there were already protests at the moment the error was made, that
would not make it a late entry.
 > 
 >                                           All I can say is that without a
 > precedent (before this a game had NEVER been reversed or even replayed from
 > the point of the error in Olympic competition. In fact, I seem to recall an
 > incident in Seoul (sp?) [I think it was with Brazil] where the error was
 > acknowledged but the result was kept.) the next time something like this
 > happens, the FIVB will have big troubles.
The referee is relieved from all further actions during the games I hear.
-- 
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home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland
dik@cwi.nl
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: NBC Coverage
Reply-To: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:41:54 GMT

In article <Bs68Dr.5CE@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty) writes:
>
>Why show the medal ceremonies at all??? They are truly boring. The whole thing 
>is tape delayed, show more events!!! If you want to hear national anthems, 
>buy a record/cd/tape!! I want to see competition!

Because NBC perceives that the "feel-good" American public wants to see
someone standing on the podium, tears in their eyes, hand on their
hearts, singing their National Anthem. They're merely pandering to the
patriotic hogwash that seems to surround this country, especially at
the time of the Olympics.

--
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"And there'll be more football in a moment, but first we've got
 highlights of the Scottish League Cup Final" -- Gary Newbon
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From: rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada)
Subject: Re: Hockey:preview July 24
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 20:01:59 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <0095E0DB.55830FC0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>Hi there,
>
>I am posting the excerpts of an article by BBC World service
>correspondent Malcolm Robertson in the July (olympic) issue
>of London Calling. He has analysed the chances of each of the
>contenders.
>
>So here it is:
>
>gole medallists . It may well boil down to Germany and Australia for gold 
>and silver with Holland likely to pose the biggest threat and
>Spain perhaps the most dangerous outsider.
>......  " it would be unwise to ignore Great Britain. Even so their
>build up has been unimpressive. They are without several of their key
>players and the star goalscorer Sean Kerly is not the force 
>he was. 

Are there any other European teams left for the praise and medals ?.
This is how biased it can get !.

What ever the euros have got to say, two out of three medals will be
asian. It would be fun to see them winning. 

Get ready guys. Lets cure these guys of their jaundice. 

Ramakrishna

>
>" India are nolonger the undisputed kings of world hockey. But
>they could play a part in deciding the destination of the gold
>medal. They are unlikely to win it, but will be dangerous 
>opponents for the other teams in their pool.
>

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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIMFINAL: Results-M's 100m Backstroke
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:04:01 GMT

SWIMMING - Men's 100m Backstroke FINAL
======================================
at Picornell Pool, Montjuic
 
World Record		53.93
Olympic Record		54.51

Gold	TEWKSBURY, Mark		CAN	53.98		New OR
Silver	ROUSE, Jeff		USA	?
Bronze	BURKOFF			USA	?
------
4	LOPEZ-ZUBERO, Martin	ESP	?
5	SELKOV,			EUN	?
6	SCHOTT, Frank		FRA	?
7	?			?	?
8	RICHTER, Dirk		GER	?

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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Result-M"s 400m Freestyle Heat 4
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:21:02 GMT

   Heat 4
 1.  Artur Wojdat (Poland)                          3:51.66
 2.  Antti Kasvio (Finland)                         3:51.74
 3.  Paul Palmer (Britain)                          3:51.93
 4.  Sean Killion (US)                              3:52.42
 5.  Christophe Marchand (France)                   3:54.59
 6.  Jure Bucar (Slovenia)                          3:55.28
 7.  Jorge Herrera Soto (Puerto Rico)               4:00.11
 8.  Nace Majcen (Slovenia)                         4:00.42

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From: clamen@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 28 Jul 92 10:33:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul28.103304.59841
	<1992Jul27.183820.2386@stsci.edu> <1992Jul27.211404.15588@cs.hut.fi>
Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Jul27.211404.15588@cs.hut.fi> killer@robocop.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa) writes:

   In <1992Jul27.183820.2386@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
   >>Because USA has only one, too.  So does Denmark and Finland.
   >See below; Puerto Rico is considered separate from the rest of the
   >segments which make up the United States (including the fifty states,
   >the District of Columbia, and territories governed by the US).

   I won't argue about the status of Puerto Rico, but I have a *VERY*
   vague feeling that P.R. is very often considerd a country of its
   own right.  That is not, however, the case with Northen Ireland,
   Scotland, Wales, Far Islands (belong to Danmark), Greenland (ditto)
   or Ahvenanmaa (Finland).
   (These all have a somewhat extensive independence in interior affairs=.

It's probably all up to the IOC.  UN membership or political
independence are certainly not required.

Note that the Virgin Islands gets TWO Olympic teams, and NO United
Nations seats.

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From: teuben@lynx.astro.umd.edu (Peter Teuben)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Unisex Olympics?
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:55:32 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Maryland, Astronomy Department


I've noted no (or very few?) events in which both
men *AND* women compete for the same medal, perhaps
equestrian? 

Also, in traditional events like mixed doubles in
badminton, table tennis and tennis, these events are
not part of the Olympics. I've only heard the comment
that there is no time or space to do these apparent
second-rank events. Shame, a mixed doubles in badminton
for example is a fine show of strategy! 

The little known sport of 'korfbal' (the world championships
are usually/always between Belgium and Holland) is an example
of a mixed team sport, but not (for a while) part of the
Olympics.

Anybody know more/Comments?

	Peter





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