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From: ingmarsl@bcarh136.BNR.CA (Ingmar Slomic)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Bands
Keywords: Stupid Dick
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:59:43 GMT
Reply-To: ingmarsl@bcarh136.BNR.CA (Ingmar Slomic)
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <1992Apr6.211017.3591@iscsvax.uni.edu>
lindaman4833@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

> 10) Many recent heavy metal/hard rock bands (Slaughter, Megadeath, Winger to
> some extent)---When these guys came out, I didn't mind them until every
> skateboarding hair mutant and their girlfriends from K-Mart Fashion Hell
> started requesting their songs every 10 seconds.  It just goes to show
you that
> a successful formula for a band can be WAY WAY WAY overused.  After a while,
> they all sound the same.  Only the true hard rockers like Van Halen, Led
> Zeppelin, and Def Leppard continue to make new music that sounds
different, not
> like it came out of a factory.  Case in point: Megadeath did a remake
of Alice
> Cooper's "No More Mr. Nice Guy" for the "Shocker" soundtrack.  I loved
the A.C.
> version, but HATED the Megadork remake.  Later, Megadork put out a
song for the
> soundtrack of "Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey" and that sucked too. 
Conclusion:
> Megadeath/Megadork SUCKS!!! Them and the rest of their long-haired
buddies who
> can't figure out which end of the guitar to use for a solo.  If you're
gonna do
> hard rock, make it sound less bubble-gummy and more like music. 
Anything else
> is just a stupid imimation.

You stupid fuck.
 
How you or anyone else can  1) group bands like Megadeth and
Winger/Slaughter together; 2) accuse bands like Megadeth of churning out
'formula-made glam rock radio hits'; is absolutely beyond me.

All I can say is get yourself a new pair of ears or a new brain 'cause
the ones you are using now just aren't doing the trick...

The BIG Ig
--

Bang the head that doesn't bang





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From: st1hz@rosie.uh.edu (Meyers, David C.)
Subject: Led Zep & Whitesnake
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:55:00 GMT

I had heard quite a long time ago (8 - 10 months ago), about Jimmy Page
starting a new band with David Coverdale called Wise Guyz I believe. This
didn't shock me since I felt that Whitesnake just hadn't been the same since
Coverdale fired John Sykes, Adrian Vandenberg and Vai although being great
guitarists and all didn't seem to be in the same vein or musical direction
of the more blues-based Coverdale (IMHO)...no flames please.
 Anyway then I heard last fall (around October) that Whitesnake had or was
in the process of recording a new album. So it seemed to me that there was
no "new" band, that either egos got in the way, or that Mr. Coverdale was
just singing a couple of guest vocals like Plant did on Page's first solo
album.
  Further I have noticed that in recent interviews of the past 5 years or so
that Plant has been kind of pissed off at Page for soemthing, but at the same
time incredibly in love (so to speak) with the man at the same time..er 
reminisces about "the good ole days". 
  BTW does anybody know how to play the following songs on guitar, I can't get
ahold (find) the book that has the box set Tabbed.
     "Nobody's Fault But Mine", "Achille's Last Stand", or "Trampled Under Foot"


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Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll:9203 bit.listserv.allmusic:5536
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 09:31:13 EDT
From: <SEWALL@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,bit.listserv.allmusic
Subject: Re: LPS FOR SALE!

              MORE LP'S (AND CASSETTES) FOR SALE!
      SAME TERMS AS BEFORE...  LPS AND CASSETTES $3.00 EACH, OR $5.00
      FOR DOUBLES.  ADD .50 EACH FOR FREIGHT.  BUT 5 OR MORE, AND I'LL
      PAY FREIGHT (IN U.S. ONLY).  AND, AS BEFORE, VOLUME PURCHASES ARE
      DEFINATELY NEGOTIABLE.

      All selections are lps unless marked (C).

               ACE - Five-A-Side

               BRYAN ADAMS - You want It, You Got It (C)
                             Cuts Like A Knife
                             Reckless

               JOAN ARMATRADING - The Key

               ERIC CLAPTON - No Reason To Cry (C)
                              Backless (C)

               ELVIS COSTELLO - Armed Forces (C)

               EAGLES - Greatest Hits Vol. 1

               FOGHAT - Energized

               GRATEFUL DEAD - American Beauty

               JOHN PAUL JONES - Scream For Help (sndtrk) (C)

               JULIAN LENNON - The Secret Value of Daydreaming (C)

               MOLLY HATCHET - Take No Prisoners

               R.E.M. - Reckoning

               PAUL ROGERS - Cut Loose (C)

               TOM TOM CLUB - Portable Music (C)

               AEROSMITH - Toys In The Attic

               ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND - Eat A Peach (2 LP)

               SQUEEZE - Singles 45's and Under

               STEELY DAN - Aja

          Please E-mail all responses.
From: sross@cdc001.austin.ibm.com (Stacey Ross)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Patterns of popularity (a psychological question)
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:39:07 GMT
Reply-To: sross@cdc001.austin.ibm.com (Stacey Ross)
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

For all of you out there who like to analyze patterns of popularity in music...

Why is there a natural tendency for vehement fans of a band to hate "the newest
album" of that band? In case that's not clear, let's take as a primary example
the people who loved Def Leppard's _Pyromania_ album and thought the albums got
progressively worse from there. Note that the newer Lep fans praise Adrenalize
like it's a holy icon, the older fans ("true" fans, as they would have it) think
it's "the last nail in the coffin" (pardon me if I misquoted that, but it fits
my argument quite well.)

What I'm saying is, once something changes a little to fit the market, more
people become interested in it that didn't give a dime before, the old fans get
jealous and start to criticize the new stuff. This is because it makes them feel
like they know more than the new fans do. Seems like a jealousy thing to me.

Before I get flamed, let me say that there are exceptions to all the rules; if
you think you can be objective and say that, for instance, Adrenalize truly 
sucks, then fine. It's not hard to believe that a band could go through a lapse
(particularly when a major member dies) where their music just doesn't jibe as
well. But if you say "I like Def Leppard before all of these punks did, I'm a
better fan" and then claim to hate the new album because it wasn't like "the old
stuff" then you're probably missing out. 

...

(I am a vehement Van Halen fan, and I thought I was falling into that trap as
well when OU812 came out. I was moderately disappointed with it. But then Carnal
Knowledge came out and I got all better! <grin>)

Now, I wasn't really old enough to enjoy radio music when the old (read: Roth)
Van Halen albums were out, but I went back and got them all and devoured them as
fast as I found out their names. Perhaps the fact that I entered the scene after
the older albums had long faded away (except 1984) provided me with a measure of
objectivity. It's hard for me to prefer Roth VH over Hagar VH, or vice versa.
Looking back, if I had been a hardcore Roth fan before Hagar came in, it would
be easy to resent the new VH greatly, because their appeal to the masses
instantly widened with the arrival of Sammy.

The reason I flap on about Van Halen is it's the example that I know most
about.

I would greatly appreciate some well-thought followups.

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IBM doesn't want anything to do with my opinions...

                                     -Stace
                                     (who happens to be male, people...)

                                    "The question is: not does love exist,
                                     but when she leaves, where she goes."
                                                          - David Lee Roth
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From: jbs21045@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Joe Sterbenc)
Subject: T-wax revue: HONEY'S DEAD by The Jesus and Mary Chain
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:55:43 GMT

This is the first of at least three reviews, as the new Beastie Boys and
XTC albums are also coming out presently :).

Well, the Reid boys have struck again. This, I believe, is their fourth
LP and, unsurprisingly, their fourth different "sound". As opposed to
Psychocandy's hiss and shriek, Darklands' mellow strum, and Automatic's
surf-style buzz, this collection of songs is quite drum-heavy and bass-
heavy. I'm sure they'll get decent "alternative" dance-club rotation, and
maybe even some radio play - who knows?

Like their other albums, Honey's Dead features very similar-sounding songs.
In fact, I think they use the same drum&bass line for the whole album, just
weaving different bits of guitar static around them. A couple of the songs,
"Catchfire" especially, sound positively like Soup Dragon outtakes.

This is certainly not their best effort - I'd put PC and A solidly ahead - 
but it's quite catchy and will probably get you tapping your appendages.
The album will end before you're expecting, just because the songs melt
together unless you're really concentrating.

At any rate, a better investment than En Vogue. ha, ha, ha....

Joe's arrogant rating: *** out of *****
-- 
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Joe Sterbenc - jbs21045@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu & joe-mama@uiuc.edu - U of Illinois
    "With today's gas prices, Marge, we can't afford NOT to buy a pony."
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From: sammut@qut.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: NEED: from genesis to revelation
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:25:09 EST
Organization: Queensland University of Technology




I am after Genesis' first album, From Genesis to Revelation.

Does anyone know whether it has been re-released on CD?


Regards
Andrew

School of Computing Science
Faculty of Information Technology
Queensland University of Technology
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 10:10:26 EDT
From: Felter <CWF102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Van Halen Marital Status

Sammy Hagar - married
Eddie Van Halen - married, 1 son
Alex Van Halen - married, 1 daughter
Michael Anthony - ????

-stymie
From: ed_katz@pavo.concordia.ca (KATZ, ERIC D.)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: over-rated-ness
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:22:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     The recent or not so recent issue of 'the 10 most over-rated bands'
issue is getting to me.  How, I wonder, can a group be over-rated?  I
think it's good when any group gets popularity.  It means the artists
have succeeded in one of their goals.  What people seem to have problems
with, is that music they don't like, is liked by others.  They get in 
these pointless debates of 'my band is better than your band' syndrome.
     It would seem to me that alt.rock-n-roll is for people who have
similar interests.  Why discuss disinterests? We should keep in mind
that people like music for different reasons, and they listen for 
different things.  It would be constructive to talk about positive
points, and the reverse for negative points.
     Those who criticize Hendrix for not singing well, might want to
discover what he did for guitarists.  Those who find The Band boring
might want to examine their lyrics more closely, or check out their
history.  And the list continues...surely there are virtues in 

                       ed_katz@vax.concordia.ca
                                          eric.
From: jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Three Greatest Consecutive Albums
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:29:55 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:

>How about "Best 13 Albums in a Row:"

>Fly By Night
>Caress of Steel
>2112
>A Farewell to KIngs
>Hemispheres
>Permanent Waves
>Moving Pictures
>Signals
>Grace Under Pressure
>Power Windows
>Hold Your Fire
>Presto
>Roll the Bones

Where's the first album _RUSH_?  Do you dislike it?  Or is it because Peart
is not on that album.  Just wondering.


-- 
=====================================================
= John Meseke      email-jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  =
= "Some gals like to kiss my face.  Is it luck?"    =
==============================-Les Claypool==========
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: horan@hemlock05.cray.com (Rick Horan)
Subject: Re: social distortion (weren't they in a movie?)
Originator: horan@hemlock05
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:15:54 CDT


in 82 or 83 there was a movie named "another state of mind" or something
like that. in most of the movie the camera crew followed social distortion
through a canada-us tour which ends in washington, dc (i think), because
the tour bus breaks down, and they don't have enough money to fix it. one
of the band members calls mommy and daddy to get them back to l.a.

it was a great movie. anyway in the movie social distortion is shown
in concert and one of the tunes they play is mommy's little monster.

 
if you ever get a chance rent the movie. it is worth watching.

-- 
==============================================================================
Rick Horan			"Money can't buy you happiness, but it can
horan@hemlock.cray.com		buy you a boat big enough to sail right up
612-683-5357			next to it." - David Lee Roth
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: maple@seas.gwu.edu (Maple Moriji)
Subject: Re: For all you Sinead fans
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:53:20 GMT


00124961@ysub.ysu.edu () writes:
: One thing that I must do before I die is go to a Skinhead O'Connor concert
: sit in the very front row...
: and sing "The Star Spangeled Banner" for the entire concert....
: 
: Chris

She'll probably spit on you!  But if she does, go ahead and take
a leak of her...hahaha

lADA,

Maple

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: lunind@vccsouth11.its.rpi.edu (Daniel B. Luning)
Subject: best 3 "AL"bums...
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:34:25 GMT

Weird Al's albums 

Weird Al
In 3-D
Dare to be Stupid
Polka Party
Even Worse
UHF
Off the Deep End
 
Heck with the best three...here's 7 consecutive albums IMOO+$.02

-- 
                        lunind@rpi.edu
                                It's hard to bargle nawdle zouss
                With all these marbles in my mouth
				-Weird Al
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.config
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.rock-n-roll.hard
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 01:29:39 GMT

>of a boring place without a good flame war to liven things up
>abit.
>
>--slide with me to your netherworld, emotion exquisite in sweet demise
>Suaron

	What the hell? Is it snowing Hell? Sauron has posted something well
thought out, mature, to the point, and actually of value! And not a flame in
sight! OK, who's the imposter. Or where did you copy this from Sauron?


From:     		jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
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"Waffles are nothing more than a vehicle for butter and syrup"
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: fox-r@neuron.cis.ohio-state.edu (Richard K Fox)
Subject: Re: Three Greatest Consecutive Albums
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll
Originator: fox-r@neuron.cis.ohio-state.edu
Reply-To: fox-r@cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: Ohio State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:31:15 GMT

      There was recently a thread going about three greatest songs in a row on
   an album.  OK, in a similar vein, how about three greatest consecutive albums
   by any particular group/artists?  Just a couple suggested rules:
   1) PLEASE consult some kind of discography before posting about a group!
   2) Live and compilation albums don't count as breaking up a sequence of
   consecutive albums.


Here's my list:

Genesis - Foxtrot, Selling England By the Pound, Lamb Lies Down on Broadway

Renaissance - Turn of the Card, Scheherezade (and other Stories), Novella

Camel - Mirage, the Snow Goose, Moonmadness

Zappa - Waka/Jawaka, The Grand Wazoo, Overnight Sensation
  and   Apostrophe, Roxy & Elsewhere, One Size Fits All
(note that these are really 6 consecutive albums!!)

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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Use of term "progressive rock"
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:24:57 GMT

IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (the DM) writes:
: But then do Invisible touch, or 90125 fall into this
: line too???????  Too many questions.........

I'd have to say yes. (Pun not intended)

90125 is not a throwaway pop album. It is charactarized by 
strange time signatures and original ideas. Look at Changes, Hearts,
et. al.

Invisible touch has a lot of non-standard stuff: the Brazillian,
Domino...

Plus, in each instance, the actual artists are the creators and 
songwriters. There isn't a producer pulling people's strings and
letting them lip-synch to pre-written and computer-generated
music.

Scott
From: bd427@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David J. Babinsky)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Def Leppard..something missing?
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:18:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr6.181854.2402
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Rick, how can you say an album is rushed when the band spent 
5 YEARS, (YES-----5 YEARS) recording it.  It is a good effort, 
despite a few top 40 songs to make some money and appeal to a 
different audience.  It is original and not the same as Hysteria.
If you want to hear Hysteria than listen to it again.  If you want
to hear some good new rock and roll by a band who's had their
fair share of shit---LISTEN TO ADRENALIZE!!  
-- 
|I am the Bibman| "Together we stand, divided we fall"--Pink
|    bd427      |                                           Floyd
			GO CAVS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: fsrhd@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: RE: Aerosmith
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:32:13 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks



	Here is a list of the current Aerosmith domestic titles that are
available on CD (* indicates personal favorites);

1.  Aerosmith *
2.  Get Your Wings *
3.  Toys In The Attic **
4.  Rocks **
5.  Draw The Line
6.  Night In The Ruts
7.  Done With Mirrors
8.  Permanent Vacation
9.  Joe Perry Project - Let The Music Do The Talking
10. JPP - I've Got The Rock And Rolls Again
11. Air America Soundtrack
12. Below Zero (can't exactly recall correct title) soundtrack
13. Live Bootleg (not a domestic release - on single or double CD) *
14. Rock In A Hard Place

	These CD titles are in no particular order.

 
Bob Devine
fshrd@acad3.alaska.edu
From: goathunter@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: re: Help with ELO song
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:45:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: wkuvx1.1992Apr8.054541.1252
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <8APR199201574624@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov>, djd7889@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Doug J. Deutsch) writes:
> Since 'Kuiama' isn't an instrumental, I'm guessing the song you're thinking
> of is 'Fire On High' which is from _Face The Music_.  I used to know what
> the backward lyric was, but it escapes me now.....
> 
The backwards part is at the *beginning* of "Fire on High."  Whether
that's what the original poster meant or not, "Fire on High" begins
with the following message backwards:

	The music
	Is reversible
	But time is not.
	Turn back.....
	Turn back.....
	Turn back.....

> Hope I could help.
> 

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, VMS Systems Programmer, Western Kentucky University
goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET, 502-745-5251
From: maginnis@math.ksu.edu (John Maginnis)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: GRATEFUL DEAD IN BUFFALO
Date: 7 Apr 1992 13:44:11 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hilbert.math.ksu.edu

mmehta@acsu.buffalo.edu (Skiies_With_One_Foot) writes:

>DOES ANY BODY OUT THERE KNOW HOW MUCH IS A TICKET
>TO THE DEAD CONCERT AT RICH STADIUM ,BUFFALO??
>THANX 
>MNAOJ& MOGAMBO

June 6, Rich Stadium, mail order price $28.50, for either reserved
or general admission.  Local sales begin May 2, and may be slightly
more if you buy from Ticketmaster.

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