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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: emplant pointer
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:13:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.202839.20605@wuecl.wustl.edu> cmd1@wuecl.wustl.edu (Chris Dunphy) writes:
>  Jason, I think you misunderstood what he said.  He is thinking
>about removing the WRITE routines.  You would still be able to read
>A-Max disk fines.  He is just trying to make people translate their
                                         ^^^^ is the key word.

>AMAx disks into the better Emplant format.
>

I'm not argueing that Emplant isn't the better format, just that 
portability is a key issue.  If he pulls the routines for writing
Amax disks it would be impossible to do cross development for both
platforms, therefore you are truly faced with the decision: Amax or
Emplant?  Smart users would then chose Amax because they can still 
read that format with Emplant, where otherwise the only file system
in common from both machines is the actual MAC filesystem which 
requires a real MAC drive with Amax.

The bottom line is he shouldn't pull the write routines solely to
MAKE people use Emplant format, portability in some cases is required.

>(*    Chris Dunphy         |     Amiga 4000 & Amiga 1000      *)        
>(* cmd1@wuecl.wustl.edu    | I've got the first, and I've got *)

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:05:35 EST
From: <LEEK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: EMPLANT for 1200?
 <jdrew.0lph@cryo.rain.com>

In article <jdrew.0lph@cryo.rain.com>, jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew) says:
>
>There will an A1200 version of EMPLANT in the first quarter of '93.  I
>won't commit to an exact date (learned my lesson last time!).

Smart move.  My Data Acquistic board for my thesis is already 3 months
late due to all kinds of unexpected stuff happening.

>The only model available for the A1200 will include the
>serial/AppleTalk/Printer ports, and no SCSI interface.  Since this is a
>PCMCIA card, there is not a lot of room to be hanging things off of the
>side of the computer...just two 8 pin mini-din connectors.

Ouch !!   You are missing a large market of people who wants SCSI on
their A1200.  Emplant with SCSI (and extra memory + 882 socket +
RTC) would be the ultimate expansion for it.  The problem with PCMCIA
is there is only 1 slot.  eg. I want to download a file from Emplant to
one of those PCMCIA memory card.  Ooops.  (Similar problem with PCMCIA
SCSI card and network cards.)

>Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.

K. C. Lee
Elec. Eng. Grad. Student (for hire)
From: dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Looking for Amax apps | Fuzz 'n Fax
Date: 20 Dec 1992 00:26:27 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu


I just got a nice new v.32bis fax modem, unfortunately no amiga
software supports the Class 1 command set. Well, I have succesfully
used the modem with Zterm&Amax, and was wondering if anyone knew or
had mac fax software that will work with Amax 2, and a Class 1 modem.

I used to have a small program(fuzz?) in my mac startup, that really
helped the flicker on my 1084 by changing the colours and background. 
Unfortuantly I lost it in a hard-disk accident. Is it available
somewhere, or maybe someone could mail me a copy(that's how I got it
originally - from a kind soul in Finland). Thanks!

dave
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Amiga Emulator for IBM?
From: cwhi2@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Craig Dean          Whitmore       )
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:38:58 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

I just found a Amiga Emulator for an IBM on a BBS.  I this program for real or
what.  Do I waste my time getting it?

Thank You
Craig whitmore.
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: ST emulator? Amiga em. for Sun?
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:29:50 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <92352.150312TPATTERS@ESTEC.BITNET> TPATTERS@ESTEC.BITNET writes:
>I haven't seen an Amiga emulator for ANY machine... anybody know of one?

Because it's practically impossible due to the special Amiga custom chips
which are needed by the OS. If a different machine doesn't have these
chips, you would have to rewrite big parts of the OS to make it run.
Also you can't emulate the chips in software because of their real-time
performance.

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From: sherlock@sleuth.eskimo.com (Jonathan Marsh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: 386 board
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:14:31 PST
Organization: Perpetual Motion Machines Ltd.

    I need a clue, anyone here use the 386 bridge board yet & if so, what do you
think? My 3000 is fast enough for me & for the little DPT ectera stuff I do, a
386 machine running OS 2 (hehehe) might be an idea.

                            'Till Then
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: "rick huizinga" <rick.huizinga@canrem.com>
Subject: re: software pc emulators
Reply-To: "rick huizinga" <rick.huizinga@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: comp
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:59:59 EST

DRL>     Umm... IBeM and CrossPC are the same program.  Consultron licensed
DRL> IBeM from its author and shipped it as CrossPC with CrossDOS.
DRL> Consultron
DRL> wrote up some decent docs for it and an Installer script to make it
DRL> easier
DRL> to deal with than the shareware IBeM.

Well CrossPC was written by the same person as IBeM, but CrossPC is an
upgraded IBeM....  It has more features than IBeM (i.e. Sound, hardware
timer emulation, etc...)


Rick...

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: kevint@sad.hp.com (Kevin Taddeucci)
Subject: AppleIIGS to Amiga/MS-DOS format
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:05:24 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

I was at a computer show this weekend and picked up a box of Amiga 
software for $10 dollars. It turns out there was an AppleIIGS disk of 
Electronic Arts clipart in the box. Does anyone know if it is possible to 
copy this disk on and AmigaDOS or MS-DOS 720k format disk?

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From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Software PC emulators
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:54:24 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd) writes:

>In <Bz2FFo.8on@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:
>>
>>The ones I'm aware of:
>>
>>PC-Task	$40 CGA 704Kb RAM Crippled FD version available for ftp SI:1.6*
>>IBeM    $40 CGA 640Kb RAM Crippled FD version available for ftp SI:?
>>CrossPC $60 CGA 640Kb RAM Commercial/no demo                    SI:1.4
>>
>>SI ratings are from 3000/25s.
>>
>>CrossPC seems to be the most compatible of any of the three - PC-Task is
>>the easiest to use. IBeM seems to be the hardest (I couldn't get it to
>>run, but I didn't exactly spend hours trying, either).  CrossPC also includes
>>CrossDOS (which I hate - use MultiDOS instead (PD) to read MS-DOS diskettes),
>>but PC-Task will read MS-DOS diskettes without any seperate MS-DOS disk reader
>>running (IBeM requires MessyDOS ("MSH"), I believe).
>>

>     Umm... IBeM and CrossPC are the same program.  Consultron licensed
>IBeM from its author and shipped it as CrossPC with CrossDOS.  Consultron
>wrote up some decent docs for it and an Installer script to make it easier
>to deal with than the shareware IBeM.

Thanks for the info!  (just to save my neck, though, none of this conflicts
with what I said, so take your "Umm..." away. :) ).

>-- 
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>GeNIE: D.LLOYD7         \ with the Intel CPU"  - Jerry Shekhel                /
>BIX: DRL  
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From: Rob_Morewood@panam.wimsey.bc.ca (Rob Morewood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: BridgeBoard VGA
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:07:42 GMT
Organization: Commodore Computer Club / PaNorAmA


       ( Should it be possible / has anyone tried ) to write a bridgeboard
video driver to produce VGA-like output on an Amiga screen?
 
       I need to run some Windows apps and I'd like to be able to do it at
home on the bridgeboard.  (I got the bridgeboard so as not to have to stay
late at the office.)  I lack space to add a VGA monitor, and lack funds
for a multisync capable of showing both.  (Besides that 386 ought to be
properly subservient to the Amiga that houses it!)
 
       All comments/suggestions greatfully received.
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From: mdostie@csi.uottawa.ca (Mark Dostie)
Subject: AMAX and HD Drivers
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 17:00:06 GMT


HI!

I have an A3000 with AMAX v2.51 and a 105M Quantum HD and I'm having problems
with the drivers to use a HD partition on my Amiga. If anyone knows anything
about this process please write me ASAP and I'll discuss it with you.

Thanks,

Mark Dostie
From: alexr@capella.EETECH.McGill.CA (Alex Rousseau)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Jim, when is hard drive support...
Keywords: n
Date: 12 Dec 92 05:19:50 GMT
Organization: McGill University - Montreal, CANADA.

Hello, Mr. Drew.

I have an A2000+RCS68040 and a Quantum 120Mb HD. Any idea as
to when to expect hard drive support for Emplant.

My wallet itches.

Alex.
From: petter@pnilsen.adsp.sub.org (Petter Nilsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: New Amiga? was: re: 386DX, 486SX/DX on Zorro II
Date: 10 Dec 92 17:24:18 GMT
Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmnor!pnilsen!petter@cbmvax.commodore.com
Organization: Ultima Thule Software
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Dec9.195317.16239@athena.mit.edu> yoav@athena.mit.edu (Yoav O. Yerushalmi) writes:

> I may be misunderstanding, but isn't the concept behind RISC the fact that it has
> a Reduced Instruction Set ??  therefore, the only form of emulation that would
> accept both '040 instructions and '486 instructions would have to handle about
> twice the instructions of just the '486. Wouldn't it be better to do it via
> software on a RISC? and doesn't that imply that any RISC could 'emulate' the
> instructions of the other processors?
>   Please explain if I am wrong, because that sounds like a VERY interesting idea.
> 			thanks

Well, the CPU in question is (will be) a WRISC prosessor which allows the user
to write its own instuction set (Writable Reduced.. ).


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From: jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: emplant pointer
Date: 12 Dec 92 06:50:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: cryo.jdrew.0lij
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR USA
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.27 beta (Nov 22 1992)


> I'm not argueing that Emplant isn't the better format, just that 
> portability is a key issue.  If he pulls the routines for writing
> Amax disks it would be impossible to do cross development for both
> platforms, therefore you are truly faced with the decision: Amax or
> Emplant?  Smart users would then chose Amax because they can still 
> read that format with Emplant, where otherwise the only file system
> in common from both machines is the actual MAC filesystem which 
> requires a real MAC drive with Amax.
> 
> The bottom line is he shouldn't pull the write routines solely to
> MAKE people use Emplant format, portability in some cases is required.
> 
 
Ok, by popular demand, the AMAX write routines will stay.
 
Thanks for your input...
 
Jim 


Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
           1641 McCulloch Blvd. Suite #25-124
           Lake Havasu City, AZ  86403
           (602) 680-9004     (602) 680-9006 FAX    (602) 453-9767 BBS
From: Gene_Ruebsamen@republik.fidonet.org (Gene Ruebsamen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Bridgeboard w. Janus2
Date: 16 Dec 92 02:08:10 PST
Organization: Eiffel Media of Orange County

> In article <18454@mindlink.bc.ca> Wayde_Police@mindlink.bc.ca (Wayde
> Police)
> writes:
> >Random thoughts on CBM's 238sx BB ...
>
>     [several random thoughts deleted]
>
> >  - decent speed, nice documentation, and Janus2.1 works well (sharing
> the
> >3.5" drive is nice)
> >
> >  one observation though: after a reboot the BB doesn't notice the Janus
> >interface, mine needs to be rebooted again before atime, amouse, etc will
> >work.
>
>     [more random thoughts and overall good impression of board deleted]
> >--
>
> I have the same problem with my A2088 Bridgeboard since I upgraded to
> AmiDos 2.05 and Janus 2.1.  After binddrivers is run, the IBM side
> starts up normally except that it can't read/write files to the amiga
> side, read the amiga clock, or use the amiga mouse until a CTRL/ALT/DEL
> warm boot is done.  This is so no matter where in the startup-sequence
> or user-startup the binddrivers command is placed.
>
>   John Wright  Chemistry, MS 0314, UCSD, La Jolla,  CA 92093-0314
>        jmw@chem.ucsd.edu  jwright@ucsd.edu  (619) 534-3049

Hmmm.. I had this problem with my A2286 Brdigeboard by Commodore, but, I
found out that it was my fault, not the bridgeboards.. I put enforcer
in my Startup-Sequence before the Binddrivers command, and everything seems
to be working fine! (BTW, I have an Amiga 3000).

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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Is software emulation fast enough for WP?
Organization: City University, London
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:13:41 GMT

Amiga WP4.1 is old and buggy. On an Amiga 3000 or Amiga 4000
would it be feasible to use a software PC emulator such as
CrossPC and run the IBM WP5.1?
How would speed compare for Amiga WP4.1/A2000
                            IBM WP5.1/286 PC
                            IBM WP5.1/A4000


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From: uteca036@unibi.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (Ruediger Kaatz)
Subject: Re: ST emulator? Amiga em. for Sun?
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 12:09:46 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld

In article <d2hacker.724516503@dtek.chalmers.se> d2hacker@dtek.chalmers.se (Magnus Hacker) writes:
>As the title says, I am interested in finding a ST emulator for the Amiga.
>Is there such a thing? ( I don't want the 'emulator' which just brings up
>the desktop and does nothing else! )
>
>As for my second question, perhaps it is posted in the wrong group, but
>are there any Amiga emulators that can run on a SUN station?
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Hi Mr. Hacker!

Sure there are ST-emulators (but who wants those?).
They are called Chamelion and Medusa. With Chamelion you can emulate
up to eight (or seven, I forgot) ST`s at once. They both have
harddisk support, no jokes, serious stuff.

Bye Rudi!
From: Gene_Ruebsamen@republik.fidonet.org (Gene Ruebsamen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Amiga Emulator for IB
Date: 14 Dec 92 00:27:14 PST
Organization: Eiffel Media of Orange County

> I just found a Amiga Emulator for an IBM on a BBS.  I this program for
> real
> or
> what.  Do I waste my time getting it?
>
> Thank You
> Craig whitmore.
hahah, no, its a joke... Its been out for a while, it brings up a cheesy
looking kickstart 1.2 hand (that you get at startup on 1.2 machines), and
spins the drive and NOTHING else.. If you look at the executable, its under
256k.. The kickstart 1.2 roms are 256k alone, not to mention it would have
to have code for the other custom chips.  This is just not possible on an
IBM Pee Cee.... They will never have Amiga emulators, but we got ibm
emulators..

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From: sarrasin@disuns2.epfl.ch (Christian Sarrasin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: A-Max, software release 2.53
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:53:28 GMT
Reply-To: sarrasin@disuns2.epfl.ch (Christian Sarrasin)
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Hello,

In a french magazine, I read that a new version of A-Max II software (2.53) is
now available. What does this release fix? Is it now possible to run A-Max with
more than just 8MB of RAM. I have 10MB and System 7.01 running on A-Max 2.51
with an A3000/25, and allocating more than 8MB to A-Max crashes the Finder
almost at once after bootup.

See ya...

Christian.

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From: jharris@cup.portal.com (John D Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: EMPLANT works and here is why.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:36:33 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>The IBM emulation at this point will be all software....don't choke..
>using the EMPLANT's hardware, we can make this happen at a reasonable
>speed....worst case, we can put a 80x86 on board.
>
Jim, can you *please* give us some technical hints as to what the EMPLANT
hardware can do to give speed improvements for IBM emulation?  How much
better than full software emulation can we expect?  Let's get some honest
numbers, or at least some technical reasons why we should believe the
'sounds too good to be true' variety, if that's the case.

It's great to hear hardware support for a real 80x86 is possible.  I've
wanted a reasonably priced hardware solution for a long time now.
Organization: Sophomore, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:04:38 -0500 
From: Jonathan Robert Avrach <ja2z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Power & Emulation


I have had my A500 for about 4 years now.  I do so much on it now
(especially with networking) that I require more POWER!  Things like a
hard drive and lots of RAM seem necessary.  I am considering buying
either an A2000 or A3000.  Of course, many things go into consideration
here.  First, are there student discounts offered for either of these
machines?  If there are, what kind of discounts are they (i.e. what %
off list price)?

I need more speed (preferably, 25 mhz).  An accelerator would do this
(for $500 at least).  I have seen 32 bit 25 mhz accelerators for an
A2000.  This would increase the speed considerably not only because of
the mhz increase, but also because of the step up from 16 to 32 bits
(please correct me if I am mistaking).

A major factor is emulation.  I would like to have this new Amiga
accurately (not perfectly, I realize) emulate an IBM and MAC.  Is this
asking too much?  I know there are AT bridgeboards out there.  How good
do they work?  What kind of processers can you get with these
bridgeboards (i.e. 286,386,486!?)?  Also, I know the Amiga uses a
similar, if not identical, processer as the Mac (depending of the
models).  Is there software emulation available to make my Amiga run
Macintosh programs?  If so, how good is it?  What kind of Mac does it
emulate?   These emulation concerns are important to me.  I like Amigas
very much, and would like to buy another one.  However, IBM and Mac both
offer some software which is useful to me.  A happy medium would be
good.  I'm not looking for perfect emulation, of course.

What's the right choice for me?

Jon Avrach
Carnegie Mellon University
Deptartment of Chemical Engineering
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 15:03:12 CET
From: <TPATTERS@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: ST emulator? Amiga em. for Sun?

I haven't seen an Amiga emulator for ANY machine... anybody know of one?

Tim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
From: Lloyd_Sumpter@mindlink.bc.ca (Lloyd Sumpter)
Subject: CrossPC (or PCTask) serial
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:19:07 GMT

   Has anyone got the serial port to work with either PCtask or Cross-PC?
I,ve tried several PC packages (CAPS and LSS2 (PLC configuration programs),
Carbon Copy, KERMIT, and EPRINET) and I can't get any of them to access my
serial ports. These are the programs I bought the emulators for in the first
place.

   I'm using an A3000 with WB2.04, and CBM's A2232 serial board. Any
suggestions?

--

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