From: Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson)
Newsgroups: alt.messianic
Subject: (old) Question For Rob Levene
Date: 13 Sep 92 01:15:06 GMT
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          -=> Quoting Robert A. Levene to Bill Carlson <=-
 RAL> From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
 RAL> Date: 10 Sep 92 16:21:36 GMT
 RAL> Organization: Johns Hopkins University
 RAL> Message-ID: <9209101620.AA29041@aplpy.jhuapl.edu>
 RAL> Newsgroups: alt.messianic
 RAL> (Note:  Would you please format your messages so that they're
 RAL> readable?  Whitespace only costs one or two bytes.)
     I'll try.  Though the last time I did that, for some reason it
     seemed to not send the entire post though, I got a lot of
     complaints that my entire posts were not coming though.  So if
     you don't see anything after this paragraph, you'll know why :-)

RAL> You have never proved that rejection of Jesus was the cause rather
RAL> than effect of the principles of Judaism.
    I think you are reading more into what I said than I did.  I do not
    conclude that the "starting" principles of Judaism were to reject
    Y'shua.  That would be silly, as the starting premises of Judiasm
    are the Tanakh, and earlier Rabbinic lit. that goes back before
    even Y'shua's time {Hillel and Shammai}.  Messianic Judaism,
    Rabbinic Judaism, and even Gentile expressions of Christianity
    all sprung out of this same mainstream.  They all went somewhat
    different directions to be sure.  Reform, Conservative,
    Reconstructionist, sprung off of your "branch" of the stream; and
    Genitle Christianity, (Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Syriac,
    Protestant), from Messainic Judiasm's "branch".  Anyone can see
    this from history.
         But what I DO maintain, is that an "auto-rejection" has come
    into "modern" Rabbinic Judaism, due mostly to the terrible deeds
    done to our people through the centuries by false-Christians.  How
    can I maintain this?  Besides the examples I already gave - one
    can practice forms of buddaism; hold a belief in reincarnation;
    be agnostic; or even an atheist -all the while going to some Reform
    Temple coffee-club; - BUT they are still considered Jewish enough
    that a Conservative or even an Orthodox Rabbi would marry them to
    another Jew!  Will they do this for a Messainic Jew, even though
    they are Torah Observant?  Not at all!

 RAL> What is the "MJCN comp.net" and how may one access it?
     It is the Messianic Jewish Computer Network.  It is international.
     What city are you in?  Better yet, ask Harvey about the
     possibility of obtaining a feed, he deals with that, I don't.
     But the arguements I spoke of are on an echo that we carry
     "CJ-Debate", that is not one of our nets, though we moderate it,
     and distributed it to anyone.

Now I don't mean to be rude, but could you please limit our discussion
to one or maybe two points at a time.  I'd much rather give a detailed
response to one question, than a shot-gun answer to 613 questions! :-)
So..., please start over, think of your most important 1st question,
and ask me that.

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