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From: webber@world.std.com (Robert D Webber)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Anonymous posting: 2-CB anyone?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:55:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.184250.3231@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.101043.10627@u.washington.edu>, ap.5478@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
>> 
>>      I'm writing on behalf of a friend (of course!), who was interested in
>> a drug called 2-CB, especially it's subjective effects, likely impurities
>> on the black market, and a little about it's chemistry. (Basically
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> everyting, I guess, but particularly subjectives, and dangers...)  If 
>> anyone's heard about it, I(we)'s be grateful.
>> 
>>       I don't know anything about it, but he says he's heard people tell him
>> it's just the greatest, while others have said it was a nightmare.  Thanks...
>
>Anything most people round here know about 2-CB comes from 
>Dr Alexander Shulgin's book, PIHKAL. The best I can do is
>to refer you to that. I am fascinated by any suggestion or 
>accounts of black market 2-CB; I have heard no evidence that 
>it is being illicitly manufactured (yet). If you believe you
>have tried it, or seen it, please tell me!
>
>Jeremy
>jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au



I had some 2-CB, or what purported to be it, a while back.  For
various reasons I had to abandon the last little bit of it
when I moved in a hurry, and for various other reasons I never
got to do up those last two doses with her (ending with, "She
forgot what it was and threw it away."), which was a pity.

The experience I had was basically extremely physical/tactile/sensual
(at least partly set and setting, but once it felt that way while
just sitting around watching movies) and I felt quite positive
about the whole thing.  My senses seemed generally kind of "woken
up" and sensations were more intense.

A FOAF (Honest to Ghu!) who took some the day before dropping acid
apparently had a very good 2-CB trip and a very bad, paranoid
acid trip.  I don't know for sure if the paranoia was connected with
the 2-CB, but people who claimed to have seen this sequence
(2-CB, then LSD) taken before said that it was typical to develop
suspicious fantasies and feelings of persecution from it.  It
seemed like a very intense paranoia: I was the focus of it for
a while, and I started wondering whether I really _was_ out to
get this poor fool and had just forgotten for a few minutes.

So anyway, it wasn't acid and it wasn't speed.  I've not tried
MDMA, but friends who did said it was different from 2-CB.

Bob


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From: chris@tamsun.tamu.edu (Chris Wensel)
Subject: Nitrous
Organization: Texas A&M University., ...
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:36:47 GMT

There is a good article in this weeks Science News linking Nitrous Oxide and
infertility in females. It was originally discovered in rats but has been
linked to humans (nurses in dentist offices). Male rats also have shown
infertility but that claim has not been linked to humans.

chris
From: u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: FAQ-Ecstasy Please
Date: 25 Sep 92 01:31:22 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <dlaird.1lts@terapin.com>, dlaird@terapin.com (Delbert Laird) writes:
> On another note, my girlfriend told me that one of here students from Hawaii
> informed her that while attending high school in Diamondhead, her Chemistry
> instructor _showed_ the class how to make ecstasy...

Highly unlikely.

Is it really that easy to
> make 

No. It takes a few days, for starters, and some reasonable lab
equipment.

(I'm trying to visualize the raw materials MY high school chemistry class
> had and I really can't picture it.)

On the other hand, as opposed to LSD, the precursors for MDMA are not
so difficult to obtain, and the synthesis is not as tricky. That is
not to say that it is easy, or that anyone could do it.

Jeremy
jeremy@rsc3.anu.edu.au
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From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Nicotine extraction from tobacco?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:37:55 GMT

In article <wen79j_00WBKM3KaM2@andrew.cmu.edu> Haw Juin Lin <hl27+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I don't know how, but a little warning...
>
>Be very careful with nicotine.....
>
>Did you know that Nicotine, by mass, is just as poisonous as cyanide.
>And they used to use it as a pesticide, until people started to get sick
>off of the sprayed fruits...
>
>
>
>Merlin


I have heard that one pack of cigarettes has enough nicotine to kill you
almost instantly if it is all ingested at once.  The merck index lists
the LD50 of nicotine for rats to be 50-60 mg/kg. 
	Also, organic solvents like dimethylsulfoxide (DMSO) that are used 
to administer drugs transdermally will carry everything dissolved in them 
through the skin-impurities, extraction solvents, dirt, dissolved plastic, 
&c.  

-Howard







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Do what keeps thou from wilting shall be the loophole in the law.
From: pwlbry01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: schizophrenia versus psychopathy
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:58:17 +0200
Organization: University of Cape Town

stuff deleted

> |As to the PCP, I can only reiterate what his mother told me, and the
> |evidence presented at his commitment hearings, and add that it and
> |several other drugs, so my substance abuse therapist former wife
> |related to me from her clinical experience, are quite capable of
> |destroying a person's ability to reason in a single dose.
> 
> Oh?  Perhaps, for the benefit of the crowd (note crosspost) you
> can name these other drugs.  
> 
> I, myself, rather doubt your substance-abuse-therapist-wife.
> Everyone overestimates the importance of their profession; in
> one as chock-full of bullshit as the abuse-therapy racket, a
> load this heavy is hardly surprising.

a friend of mine, a nurse, spent four weeks as part of her training in an
institution. one of the more interesting cases was of a girl who had
without her knowledge been slipped a tab of LSD.
she has for the past 3 years been speaking to her father, whenever she hears
his voice emanating from light fixtures.
i believe this is a case of schizophrenia, and while i have no knowledge of
the patients past mental condition it is fairly certain that the accidental
intake of a substance played at least a contributary part in her apparent
mental deterioration.
******************************************************************************
Carlo Kruger                     "Everybody remember where we parked"
University of Cape Town                         -Capt. James T. Kirk
South Africa
******************************************************************************
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From: C599143@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Matthew Q Keeler de la Mancha)
Subject: Ethereal high.....
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 02:12:07 CDT

Just curious....  I know that during the ninteenth century, ether was
used in much the recreational way alcohol is now.  Why did that become
a tidbit from the past?  Did too many people euthanize themselves?
 
 
Q.
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From: Nathan.Bowen <Nathan.Bowen@mixcom.mixcom.com>
Subject: Re-Injection
Organization: Milwaukee Internet Xchange BBS, Milwaukee, WI U.S.A.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 04:02:00 GMT

	I've been given some information that I'd like to expand upon, and I think
that someone on this newgroup can do it <or at least let me know if my source
is full of it>... I was told that there are ways of taking certain bodily
chemicals from yourself, and using them for their drug-like properties without
side effects.  I think I remember a quote something like "You have one of the
most potent hallucinogens inside you right now."  If there is any truth to
this, I'd be interested in any information anyone had.  I don't understand
very clearly at all what is/would be involved, nor just how powerful any of
this is, but it's the kind of thing that intrigues me.. 

-- 
_________________________			   _______________________
Lather.  Rinse.  Repeat. \________________________/Nathan.Bowen@mixcom.com
From: guru@west.darkside.com (Guru)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: BSD?
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:28:01 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

Ok.. all you tripadeliacs, can someone (anyone) tell me about a drug that 
was popular about 25 years ago that was called something like BSD or 
something like that... anyway, supposedly (from the rumor mill) I hear 
that it was a drug, taken like GelAcid that produced similar effects, 
although only for a Twenty Minute duration...

I would be very interested in learning about whaddever this substance is 
(if it is indeed real) and possibly trying some (although no doubt it is 
long illegal).  Can Anyone help?
From: yuliu@U.WASHINGTON.EDU (Yu Liu)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] lskdjf
Date: 5 Oct 92 06:50:54 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


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From: j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty)
Subject: Re: Why use drugs anyway?
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:00:42 GMT


> >> I'm really curious what reasons you druggies have for using drugs?
> >> I mean, studdies show that drug users die much sooner than other groups
> >> of people, and whether or not you can get addicted is not even in question.
> >> So why would you want to use drugs?  Email or post back.

Ok, Ted.

I'm really curious what reasons you computer-geeks have for using
computers?
I mean, studdies (sic) show that computer users develop arthritis in the
fingers, eyes irritations, become depersonalized, detached from reality and
even addicted!!!!!!
AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
From: honig@broadway.ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Subject: Re: Why use drugs anyway?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Reply-To: honig@ics.uci.edu (David A. Honig)
Organization: UC Disneyland, in the Kingdom of Bren
Keywords: drugs, delete, legalization
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:40:31 GMT
Distribution: national

 mtymp06@staff.tc.umn.edu (Ted Vessenes) writes:
>I'm really curious what reasons you druggies have for using drugs?
>I mean, studdies show that drug users die much sooner than other groups
>of people, and whether or not you can get addicted is not even in question.
>So why would you want to use drugs?  Email or post back.

Because one has to deal with so many clueless people.

The only consolation is that studies have shown that clueless people
die more often.


--
David "Dances with Motion Sensors" Honig

'People that are really very wierd can get into sensative positions
and have a tremendous impact on history.'	-- Vice President Dan Quayle
From: v079ql9q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I got a Catholic Block.....)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Mescaline- question
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hey there- a friend of mine is one of those nature-freaks (you know the type)
8^) and interested in doing mescaline, but hasn't been able to find any info on
it.  He is curious as to what mescaline is made of, if it's a derivative of
something, and what the affects are.

A FOAF told me that the effects are similiar to acid, but not as harsh (esp the
crash) and that mescaline was a peyote derivative.  Is this true?

Thanx in advance for any info-

Later-

Shane
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:01:21 GMT

davidc@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (David Cake) writes:
>zane@infopls.chi.il.us (Sameer Parekh) writes:
>>	'Lo, a friend is interested in the dangers involved with Nitrous
>>Oxide.  I know that there are some dangers and precautions that must be
>>taken, but all I can remember is that you shouldn't inhale directly out
>>of the pressurized tank.

>	Yes, don't inhale from the tank, you'll freeze your lips to it.
>A bit of plastic tube like they use in aquariums will do. 
*----
Yes, that'll do if you want surgery.  The liquified gas will
freeze as it expands, whether you use a tube or not.  Use a
pressure regulator designed for the purpose (an oxygen regulator
will do for low volume use, use a nitrogen regulator or
nitrous oxide regulator for high volume).  No wonder most
places are reluctant to sell the gas, even though its legal.
There are too many idiots who'd kill themselves because
they don't know how to deal with liquified gases under high pressure.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.5597@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] Blood test
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5597@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 16:41:05 GMT


	I am currently in the final stage of a green card application and will
have to take a blood test. I haven't smoked anything since the middle of
August but am concerned that a blood test is more sensitive than a urine test.
Does anybody know the minimum safe period for blood test with respect to 
marijuana.

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From: wvleeshh@wg.estec.esa.nl (wim vleeshhouwer)
Subject: Re: Attention Nederlaender
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 14:25:09 GMT

There seem to be a few (in fact quite a few) greenhouses where klones are sold
for Hfl 25,-, this is of the best quality plants. In fact there are organised
tours with busses out of Amsterdam to these greenhouses, which are in the
vicinity of Aalsmeer (close to Amsterdam). I don't have any names, but I
think
that if you go into a "coffeeshop" (synonym for place where grass and stuff
is
sold), they will be able to tell you. Also in Amsterdam there is the Mariuana
Museum where they will be able to tell you.
By the way, bying pigeon food will save a lot of money (it contains a lot of
MJ seeds, but of not so good quality).
Have fun, I'll try to find out more and post it to the net.
Regards, Wim Vleeshhouwer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 20:30:54 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Oct5.162710.17426@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>That's because a Nobel Prize is waiting for the individual who
>actually explains how and why anesthetic gases actually exert their
>effects.  As has been mentioned, it's associated with their solubility
>in cell membrane lipids.  This is a physical phenomenon, not directly a
>chemical one.

    As an addendum to Steve's point, all you have to do is look at the
chemical structures of historically important anesthetics to appreciate the
amazing lack of chemical similarity amoung them.  There is a much stronger
correlation between anesthetic efficacy and molecular size (given an
appropriate lipophilicity), which supports the theory that it's a physical
effect.

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     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cm31255@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher Matthaei )
Subject: Re: LSD-25
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:17:50 GMT

dlaird@terapin.com (Delbert Laird) writes:

>I was wondering if anyone knew (or could hazard a guess) to determine if any
>effects can be felt using quarter or half hits of LSD?...I'm considering trying
>some (on the acclaims of a friend), but I don't want the full-blown experience
>yet (so...I'm a wimp, sue me).

That's just what I did the first time (I was also a wimp :-)). I cut a quarter
of a hit off and took that. After an hour I was feeling some mild effects so
I took another quarter. An hour later I was having a good ol' time riding
around in a car watching clouds crystalize. So a half hit definitely has an
effect (at least on me- I only weigh 140).

>dlaird@terapin.com

cm31255@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

-- 
Chris Matthaei
cm31255@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Cocaine addiction was Re: War on Drugs
Date: 26 Sep 1992 07:15:44 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
NNTP-Posting-Host: boa.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep24.133549.21909@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> cohen@cumuli.vmsmail.ethz.ch writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.211057.18151@linus.mitre.org>, lewis@aera8700.mitre.org
>Keith Lewis writes:
>
>> Cocaine addiction is all psychosomatic (no flames; that dosen't mean
>> imaginary).
>
>Actually there was a report in Science earlier this year I think that suggested
>that there were actually physical changes to the neural pathways involved in 
>response to cocaine.

Uh, there are "physical changes in the neural pathways" every time 
you read a book.  This posting caused physical changes in your neural
pathways.

You cannot separate "mind" from "body."  It's all a matter of degree.

c
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: mystical experiences
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:05:19 -0500

ab509523@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (The Axman) writes:


>  I suppose that this has been asked before but can mystical experiences 
>   (aka  Carlos Castaneda ) be achieved with mary jane ?
>   
>                 curious 
>                   
>                  The Axman 
>      

Define "mystical."  If you include revelatory as one of the possibilities
then the answer is, yes (speaking from personal experience).
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu

"I would give the Devil benefit of the law for my own safety's sake."
                       --from _A_Man_for_All_Seasons_ by Robert Bolt
From: ap.5429@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: [anonymous] Test.... Arghhhhh.... Not Again!
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 26 Sep 92 13:51:37 GMT
Reply-To: ap.5429@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu


I'm Sorry, but this is just to test things out.

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From: bprofane@netcom.com (Gert Niewahr)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Anonymous posting: 2-CB anyone?
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:23:00 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Sep30.184250.3231@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>I am fascinated by any suggestion or 
>accounts of black market 2-CB; I have heard no evidence that 
>it is being illicitly manufactured (yet). If you believe you
>have tried it, or seen it, please tell me!

2C-B has been manufactured illicitly in the US by sophisticated
underground chemists, mostly college students.  I have seen it in
wide distribution on certain campuses.  It has been reported for
sale in the San Francisco Bay Area at various times, but not
widely.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Smoking ephedrine?
From: gallaghe@vax.sonoma.edu (Mycal)
Date: 2 Oct 1992 18:21 PST  
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonoma State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1992Sep30.194652.3233@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes...
>In article <kaz.717797783@vincent1.iastate.edu>, kaz@iastate.edu (Jimmy Buffet) writes:
>> I have these spiffy little 25 mg ephedrine tablets, and was wondering if 
>> crushing them and smoking them would be effective and safe.  Thanks!
> 
>Extracting and converting it to a free-base, vaporising and inhaling 
>could be quite interesting. Anyone tried it?
> 

I can just see it now, wide spread use of ephedrine based crack, one
sure way to get it taken off the market. :)

mycal



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From: oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Tig Stone)
Subject: Re: Nitrous Oxide
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:26:49 GMT

I saw a pin back in my hometown that was your standard "War On Drugs"
paraphenalia, but altered a little bit.  It said:


   JUST SAY N O
             2

(It doesn't quite get the total humor across when you draw it out on
ther terminal.  But it was a "Just Say No" pin with a "2" put in
between the n and o as a subscript.
--
Tig Stone 
(oldman@titan.ucc.umass.edu)
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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Ethereal high.....
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:37:48 GMT

nuke@reed.edu (Bill Newcomb) writes:

>>Just curious....  I know that during the ninteenth century, ether was
>>used in much the recreational way alcohol is now.  Why did that become
>>a tidbit from the past?


Maybe because they simply had more derelicts than we do now?

	It still is popular in some South American countries, just as 
sniffing glue and paint thinner is.

	I think the brain and liver damage that solvents such as ether 
and glue quickly cause is, at least in part, the cause of their unpopularity.
They also can make one feel awfully sick, which is no boost.

	However, all is not lost for solvent affectionado:  In
Guatamala it is not an unheard of arrangement for the future-impared to 
work for no pay but glue, and a bag to sniff it out of.

	Conditions are rumored to be improving, though, and there is
even talk of a minimum wage law in the near future.  One tube per day, 
I believe it was.

...
>AS an aside, can anyone offer any insight into the pharmacological action of
>ether, perhaps even elucidating the mechanism by which my head came to hurt?


Jim "author of The Glue Counterculture" Del Vecchio
From: jdresser@altair88.UUCP (Jay Dresser)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Marinol
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:42:57 PST
Organization: Only Amiga make's it possible


I have a friend who is at risk of being drug tested.  I wonder if someone
out there knows an answer to his question.  Can the GC (Gas Chromatograph)
test distinguish the difference between marijuana and the prescription drug
Marinol?  I.e.  if you were taking both, would they be able to tell that
their positive reaction to MJ was not the Marinol, but the real thing?  Any
info appreciated, thanks.


-- Jay Dresser, jdresser@altair88.net.netcom.com
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From: ap.5433@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] Test-o-Rama
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5433@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:12:00 GMT



Lets see if I blew it up or not...


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