HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Language policy (Re: Unification)
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:55:33 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Jul22.130548.23712@beaver.cs.washington.edu> chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou) writes:
>What??  What does the number of tones have to do with why
>they should not be required in school??? 

Because it's easier for a person who knows a 8-tone language to learn
a 4-tone one than it is for a person who knows a 4-tone language to
learn an 8-tone one.

From a linguistical point of view, Mandarin is probably the best
"common language" for a group of speakers of Chinese family languages.
It has the least number of tones and has little slang or specialized
vocabulary.  The phoentic structure is also simplier than other
dialects.

Notice that the qualities that HoLo people brag about HoLo are exactly
the ones that make it unsuitable to be a "common" language.  For
example, richness and subtlity of expression is perhaps good from an
artistic sense, but it makes it very, very difficult for a non-speaker
to master a language.  By contrast, basic Mandarin vocabulary is not
very subtle.  This might make it bad language artistically, but it
makes it good to use as a "common" language of trade, business, and
government.

It's for these reason, the Mandarin has usually been chosen as the
"common" language whereever different Chinese dialects are spoken.
(For example, Malaysia)

Incidentally, the same qualities that make Mandarin well-suited as the
common Chinese language are also the same qualities that make English
well-suited as the unofficial world language.  







Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: NBC Commentators talking about China
Organization: The Ohio State University
 Campbell) writes:
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 00:36:51 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Give Me a Break: China to Buy Ford Tempos from U.S. (Re: China News)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:25:05 -0500

Wake up, folks, watch out what kind of car China is to buy from U.S.
before you start celebrating and congratulating on the deal!!

See enclosed e-mail from a netter for detai (after the quotes).

In article <1992Jul29.174319.1333@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu 
(Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>One WORD (not "words') about TanLiangDe's getting silver medal: what?!
>
>In article <1992Jul29.150802.6761@eng.ufl.edu> zzang@whale.stat.ufl.edu 
>(Zhuo Zang) writes:
>>
>>7/29:
>>Last night ABC news, China has signed a contract with the big three 
>>auto-makers worth of $130 million for auto parts supplies by the 
>>end of this year. I am very glad to hear this news. Our homeland's
>>economy looks very strong to be able to do such a big trade with US, 
>>and certainly, it will also be benificial to the US.
>>Another news I got from the People's Daily, is about a contract with 
>>Chevron for providing compressor oil for the airplanes, and this 
>>contract will last for many years.
>>God bless you, China.
>
>Congratulations!

Congratulations on what?  Buying out-of-fashion Ford Tempos (see next) ????

>CMFN bill will have less chance to rob chinese people of "BOWLS" 
>this time. What a shame that some "chinese" are even trying to
>threat the right that more than 100 countries have here! If MFN
>is deprived of, then chinese products will lost all the 
>competition they are having in the US market.

Wake up, boy, see the following for the other side of the story:

---------------------------- Forwarding Begins -------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:31:38 -0500
From: ********
Subject: Stupid bureaucrats!

Caught the following from the net,

>From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI-Radio)
>Subject: US/World News in Brief Jul 28 10 am PDT
>Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 10:55:53 PDT
>
>Take that, Japan. China today called America ``the world leader in
>auto manufacturing,'' and signed a deal to buy 130-Million dollars worth
>of cars and trucks. China's going to buy more than 32-hundred Chrysler
>vehicles and engine components, 31-hundred Ford Tempos and 27-hundred G-
                                                 ^^^^^^!!
>M minivans and light trucks.

Ford Tempos! A model that was designed in the late 70's and early 80's
and has had only one facelift in its entire 8 years of life so far! A 
model that is due to be replaced with a new design next year! A model
that's currently the oldest design among Ford's cars (well except
the Mustang and the Thunderbird. Make it family cars)! Why not the 
Taurus? That's a much much more advanced design!

[OK you know how much I hate the Tempo by now. :-)]

Whoever made the decision or was sold on the Tempos deserves to be
rolled over by them.

Now we return you to the regular program of the Olympics.

-------------------------- End of Forwarding ------------------------------

Forwarded to SCC by Bo Xiong in Chicago
From: jing@hobart.cs.umass.edu (Yufeng Jing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The regretful thing for Zhou Enlaiex
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:08:41 GMT
	<JING.92Jul14231600@hobart.cs.umass.edu>
	<1992Jul19.213259.4627@gw.wmich.edu>
	<1992Jul23.125602.4708@gw.wmich.edu>
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
In-reply-to: 31he@gw.wmich.edu's message of 23 Jul 92 17:56:02 GMT


In regard to article 31he@gw.wmich.edu dated on 23 July, 92, I would like to 
say that I am glad to read your opposite points but I read too much such stuff 
from newspapers in China. Too much to believe it.

You think that way but I think another way. I don't want to persuade you to
agree with me. Even you did, I don't care it. But you don't have any right to
say that I shouldn't say that.  Why's shouldn't?

Anyway, you do have the right not to read my stuff. If you read mine again, I 
would appreciate you too much.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jing Yufeng %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
%
%			No emotion and feeling are involved
%
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

In article <1992Jul23.125602.4708@gw.wmich.edu> 31he@gw.wmich.edu writes:
From: ylq@lems24lems.brown.edu (Yan Shen)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Laboratory for Engineering Man/Machine Systems
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:24:42 GMT

In article <l70kasINNs0l@alcor.usc.edu>, zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul24.132247.6811@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
|> >In article <l6ulgcINNhpp@alcor.usc.edu> zyou@alcor.usc.edu (Zhongbai You) writes:
|> >>In article <1992Jul22.184156.771@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
|> >>>
|> >>>According to the latest issue of Time magazine. China the whole nation
|> >>>has only 60 swimming pools. Is this a joke or truth? It certainly 
My hometown is Kunming, a remote place in China. But I know there are at least 6 
swimming pools open to public. I heard say each university has their own pools. 
So, you know how many swimming pools in China.
|> >>
|> >>   The author must mean good and clean pools, matching international
|> >>standard. How many pools you visited have 10 meter diving tower and
|> >>hot shower?
|> >Again, go read carefully and figure out yourself. The number has nothing
|> >to do with quality of pools. By the way, how many such pools are there
|> >in the US. Don't think China is worth nothing simply because She is now poorer.
|> >Grow UP!
|> 
|>   I do believe the authour is bashing China diving team just as they
|> did to Yito before winter Olympic. I haven't read the report yet.
|> But one thing I am sure is that the Time reports you because you are
|> a strong competitor. What can you expect from an 'enemy'. 
|> 
|>   I don't know how many Olympic standard swimming pool here in States.
|> It is quite expensive to build and maintain such facility. I know my 
|> school did not have one untill 84 summer Olympic. There used to be a
|> small indoor pool (still open), not as good as that in my school in
|> Beijing.
|> 
|> >>   Majority of them are 'urinal' pool, though some university do have
|> >> good and clean swimming pool.
|> >I can assure you although they look dirty, they don't have as many
|> >AIDS virus.
|> 
|>   I was infected 'red eye' twice in those dirty pools. In those days,
|> noboday was wearing goggle, 'red eye' was a real trouble each year.
				^^^^^^^^
I was the member of high school swimming team, we were trained almost three times 
a week, but I nerve had this problem even though I did not wear any goggle.
|> 
|>   The chance you get AIDS in a swimming pool is virtually zero, at least
Did you hear that there exists new kind of virus other than HIV. Who knows what 
kind chance you'll get that.
From: zxiao@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Zhiwei Xiao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: ZHAO3 REN2
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:34:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	I am looking for my friend Jin1 Yu3 from Sichuan University.
I lost his address and phone number and can no longer get in touch
with him. If anyone (including Jin Yu himself) sees this please
respond to the following address:

	zxiao@sdcc3.ucsd.edu

	Xiao Zhiwei
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:15:52 GMT

>In article <1992Jul23.215630.50355@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
>exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li) writes:
>
>|> >Olympic Mathmatics contest:
>|> >   China No.1
>|> >   U.S.  No.2
>|> >   Romania N0.3
>|> >   CIA    No4.
>|> >Most U.S. team members are ethinic Chinese!
>|> 
>|> so what? some nerds and geeks gathered togather to have some fun.
>|> does it necessary mean they will all become reknowned scientists and
>|> mathmaticians? i don't think so. but if you do, try name
>|> some famous names who were past winners of this competition.
>|> 

Many famous mathematicians/scientists are indeed past winners of this
competition, which is called the International Mathematical Olympiad.
I cannot name them because I don't have the references at hand.
This contest has been held for several decades and made great contribution
to the world science (esp. mathematics) by bring up many young smart minds
and new blood in science and technology.  China began to attend the IMO
7 years ago and the chinese competitors are all continuing their advanced
study. Nowadays there are also many international olympic contests in other
fields and Chinese students are doing well in them.  I believe most of them
(if not all) have come abroad.  You are right, not all of these nerds and
geeks will become renowned scientists/mathematicians, but some will---and
others will also make good contributions although they are not going to be
famous.

Just some thought.  Let's wait and see.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sichao@bnr.ca (Sichao Wang)
Subject: <<Yi4 Jian3 Mei2>>
Keywords: Chinese Pop Song
Reply-To: sichao@bnr.ca (Sichao Wang)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 23:54:23 GMT

Here is one of my favorite chinese pop songs. For all those of you who are 
under too much stress about the fact "How many oplympic gold medals can China 
get ?", this is a good relaxation or meditation for you :-).

                           <<Yi4 Jian3 Mei2>>


 --------------Pin4 Yin1 Edition---------------  -------English Edition------

            
 1.  Zhen1 Qing2 Xiang4 Cao3 Yuan3 Guang3 Kuo4    -- A deep passion can extend as
                                                  -- open as pastures,

     Ceng2 Ceng2 Feng1 Yu3 Bu4 Neng2 Zu3 Ge2      -- Nothing can break it;

 
     Zhong3 You3 Yun2 Kai1 Ri4 Chu1 Shi2 Hou4     -- The clouds will be away, 
                                                  -- then comes the sunshine;

     Wan4 Zhang4 Yang2 Guang2 Zhao4 Yao4 Ni3 Wo3  -- The beautiful sunny moment 
                                                  -- will be ours;



 2.  Zhen1 Qing2 Xiang4 Mei2 Hua1 Kai1 Guo4       -- A sincere affection can be 
                                                  -- as pure as a Mei2 flower in
                                                  -- its first blossoms,
                                                
     Leng3 Leng3 Bing1 Xue3 Bu4 Neng2 Yan1 Mo4    -- The freezing snow-ice can
                                                  -- never threaten it;
 

     Jou4 Zhai4 Zhui4 Leng3 Zhi1 Tou2 Zhan4 Fang4 -- Mei2 flower opens right
                                                  -- in the coldest days,


     Qie3 Kan4 Chun1 Tian2 Zu3 Xiang4 Ni3 Wo3     -- and brings us a spring!


 
 3.  Xue3 Hua1 Piao1 Piao1,  Bei3 Feng1 Xiao1 Xiao1- Oh, the flying snow,  
                                                  -- Oh, the blowing wind!

     Tian1 Di4 Yi2 Pian4 Cang1 Mang2              -- Even are the sky and earth 
                                                  -- linked together by them, 

     Yi4 Jian3 Han2 Mei2,  Aou4 Li4 Xue3 Zhong1   -- Only the Mei2 flower 
                                                  -- standing there proudly,

     Zhi3 Wei4 Yi2 Ren2 Piao1 Xiang1              -- Waiting for someone's
                                                  -- appreciation;

     Ai4 Wo3 Shuo3 Ai4, Wu2 Yuan4 Wu2 Hui3        -- Love what we love! Never 
                                                  -- regret !

     Ci3 Qing2 Chang2 Liu2 Xin1 Jian1             -- This is an eternal feeling.
      
              
 [Over]
From: qlong@themis.cs.umass.edu (Qiegang Long)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: San1 Mao2's books
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:20:30 GMT
	<1992Jul27.034234.14278@medsys.rn.com>
	<1992Jul28.185228.27911@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Reply-To: QLONG@CS.UMASS.EDU
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
In-reply-to: hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU's message of 28 Jul 92 18:52:28 GMT

On 28 Jul 92 18:52:28 GMT, hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan Liu)
wrote(>):

> 
> Because you don't like their novels, you label them as junk and drug?
> Or because they are women, you don't feel like to read wommen's books?
> I liked and still like both San Mao's and Qiong Yao's books.  I feel
> very bad that I waited on the West Lake in Hangzhou but did not meet San
  ^^^^^^^^^
> Mao when she was visiting Hangzhou.  I feel very sorry that I would never
					      ^^^^^^^^^^
have a chance to see her.


Huh, you are that kind of typical girl in their stories :-)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wavelet@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Forwarding -- no. 5y
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:58:34 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <199207201316.AA03280@thames.bu.edu>, lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
> In article <1992Jul20.010118.41728@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, wavelet@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>(deleted)
> <        Sorry! I don't rememeber that. Many netters have said something
> <     about my posts. Some of them I didn't reply simply because (1) I
> <     don't understand their English (I am not very good in language)
> <     and (2) I don't see reasonable arguments in their reaction. If you
> <     said only "you are lying", well, how can I reply? Please specify
> 
> Well, a big IF :-) I specified.

          So, obviously, your question was classified in (1) or (2) or (3).

> 
> <     it. I don't want to waste my time in giving unnecessary answers.
> <     Make your question answerable first. O.K.? Dear tortoise. To be
> <     honest, I still do not understand three of your five posts. Your
> <     English is far beyond my understanding. I have given response on
> <     two other posts from you. Can you understand them? Dear tortoise,
> <     I didn't say simply "you are lying", but it seems that you are in
> <     your shell after that.
> 
> Just wonder what is relation between wavelet and tortoise. Is the relation
> from the old saying:
> 
> Ci Qian WangBa Duo (Shallow pond's wavelet a sign of hiden tortoise) ?
> 
> It is a reasonable relation, and it is fun to watch wavelet murmuring
> "Dear tortoise" again and again:-)

         Wavelet provides a good place where tortoises feel better so
     that they are willing to protrude their head and forget their shyness.
     Dear tortoise, no wonder that your English is more understandable
     than before.
From: yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chongqing
Date: 24 Jul 92 04:08:19 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

I am from ChongQing. It differs from the typical
city in many aspects and worths a visit. 

Chongqing is called "mountain city" since there
are many mountain within the city proper, "fire 
oven" since it is extremely hot during the summer 
time, and "fog capital of china" since almost 
every morning there is fog during the winter time.
These are three main features of this city. More 
facets of this city (if you want to know) are:
(1) it is quite humid there;
(2) a lot of rain;
(3) it is not often to have a sunny day;
(4) warm during the winter time.
(I should say the weather there is not good.)

However, you may still have a good time. First
the food is very good, i.e., "fire pan" (very
special!). Generally, people there enjoy hot
food (red pepper stuff). Also around the city,
there are many places to go. Life there is 
quite colorful, especially in the evening.

I guess that is it.

Yunson

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (,,,)
Subject: Re: Proud and angry
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Distribution: usa,local
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:14:24 GMT

> After reading all these discussion about NBC coverage, I am wondering about
> Chinese TV coverage. Would any one who watch 88 or 84' Games comment on this?
> Specifically, how much coverage did Chinese TV give to athelets from other
> country.

I remember there was a big front view shown on CCTV of an American female gold 
medalist with tears dropping down her face when she watched the rising star-
stripe flag, which made me believe that Americans are strongly patriotic...

--
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: [Olympics] Two More Golds for China / Medals Standings
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:23:08 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

The latest China-related Olympics News can be found in CND-Global during 
the Barcelona Summer Olympics.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) From: CND Source  Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 08:38:49 EST

@@@ DJ 7/28
Chinese Shooters Capture 2 Gold Medals             

    Zhang Shan of China won the gold medal Tuesday in the open skeet
shooting competition at the Olympics in Barcelona.

    Juan Jorge Yarur of Peru won the silver medal and Bruno Rossetti of
Italy won the bronze.

    Elsewhere, Wang Yifu of China won the gold medal Tuesday in the men's 
air pistol event. Sergei Pyjianov of the Unified Team won the silver medal.
 Sorin Babei of Romania won the bronze medal in the air pistol competition.


2) From: CND SOURCE   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 08:43:28 EST
   Subject: Medals standing, so far.  Hardly able to keep pace.

@@@ DJ 7/28
Summer Olympics: Tuesday's Medal Winners           

               SHOOTING
         
	 MEN'S AIR PISTOL

    Gold -- Wang Yifu, China
    Silver -- Sergei Pyjianov, Unified Team
    Bronze -- Sorin Babei, Romania

            OPEN SKEET

    Gold -- Zhang Shan, China
    Silver -- Juan Jorge Yarur, Peru
    Bronze -- Bruno Rossetti, Italy

Summer Olympics: Overall Medals Standings          

           (THROUGH 23 EVENTS)
COUNTRY       GOLD SILVER BRONZE TOTAL
China            5      6      1    12
United States    3      2      5    10
Unified Team     6      2      0     8
Germany          1      1      3     5
France           0      2      3     5
Hungary          2      1      1     4
Australia        1      1      1     3
Japan            1      1      1     3
Sweden           0      2      1     3
South Korea      2      0      0     2
Bulgaria         1      1      0     2
Italy            0      1      2     3
Spain            1      0      0     1
Peru             0      1      0     1
Poland           0      1      0     1
Cuba             0      1      0     1
Independent Team (Yugoslavia)
                 0      0      1     1
Finland          0      0      1     1
Netherlands      0      0      1     1
Romania          0      0      2     2
Mongalia         0      0      1     1
Surinam          0      0      1     1


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Forwarded to SCC by Bo Xiong in Chicago
From: qw@isr.harvard.edu (Qinqin Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: San Mao & Qiong Yao's Books
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:14:07 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

It seems I have taken too many drugs or junks, and I think I would still
take some if they are available.

I agree QY's books are kind of daydreaming, but why would you dislike a
beautiful dream? Anyway life is a big dream. If we want to enjoy life, we
can also appreciate some dreams, as long as you know they are dreams.

I used to love San Mao's books, but after her suicide, I began to doubt her
sincerity as depicted in her books. Anyone got any hypothesis on why she
killed herself?

          >Later I discovered Yi4 Shu1's books. Her stories
          >are much more close to reality, nothing fancy.

I especially want to say hello to this person who can appreciate Yi Shu's
books, as I am a big fan of her. I read all her books that I could find.
She had such a sober view of life, and always she was so optimistic. Sort
of optimistic pessimism. Happy, peaceful and without any illusions. Her
books taught me how to enjoy the daily life even in the face of sadness,
loneliness and disappointment. Great writer to me, indeed.

I really enjoy the discussion on literature. It would be great if you guys
could recommend your most favorite writers or books.

QQ
From: eric@sdphu1.ucsd.edu (Bo Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Test ( on how to read zW/HZ encoded Chinese text with ChiRK)
Date: 22 Jul 1992 21:14:51 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, UCSD
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdphu1.ucsd.edu

Hope this will do it:

1. run UNIX "rn".
2. after display a article in English mode, type "s | chirk -h"
  ( use Chirk 1.1a or higher)
3. see the article! hopefully. Let's see, here is my name....



                                                                     ~{Qn  2*~}
Y A N G ,   B O                       < e r i c @ s d p h u 1 . u c s d . e d u>
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:53:19 GMT

My feeling is that there are a lot of Mao-admirers around, but why
nobody comments on FuTian Incident?

My conclusion so far is that FuTian Incident indicates that Mao might
have become a ganster from a young revolutionary as early as 1930.

What do you think?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china