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From: alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Mail to Russia. P*zdets!
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:49:46 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame

In article <107844@bu.edu> gdr@acs.bu.edu (Dmitry Goldenberg)  
writes:
|> 
|> I just received a letter from a friend in St.Petersburg. He  
says he just
|> recently received mine, which was sent to him last summer. 
|> 
|> My letter was sent to my friend from Moscow by a truck driver  
whose name is 
|> A.Zakharov. He found a huge pile of opened letters from  
abroad in a garbage
|> lot and mailed off all he could.
|> 
|> Thank God there are still good people like this guy in Russia  
but I was really
|> pissed off by those assholes that open people's letters  
searching for enclosed
|> dollars (?!) and finally dumping them all. I heard the rumors  
of that a while ago
|> but I couldn't believe such a blatant (and stupid) thing  
could be actually
|> happening. However, with Sovok (even renamed in Russia) you  
never get tired of
|> its new surprises.
|> 
|> I guess for many sovoks it's a golden time now: they never  
cared for such
|> luxuries as elementary ethics, and now they can even stop  
pretending they
|> have any brakes in their rotten minds. They enjoy their newly  
attained freedom -
|> freedom to fall as low as they want.


A friend of mine told me the following story.

Last year he had sent many letters (about 30) to his relatives  
and friends in Russia and _none_ of them got through. Recently
someone gave him an advice to write in a letter a statement like  
this:

"I am sending this letter just to check how the mail works. If  
you get this letter then it works fine and next time I will mail  
you $100."

The person he sent the letter to had received it in 5 days,  
which was faster than the express mail. Eto p*zdets.

Alexei

 

--
When I tell any Truth it is not for the sake of convincing those
who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those who do.
         
	                                         WILLIAM BLAKE
From: vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: >Map of Russian Cities?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:25:18 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: savoir.cs.umd.edu

In article <1993Jan22.034745.8106@marlin.jcu.edu.au> major@lubyanka.kgb.msk.su (Major Korovin)   writes:
>In <1jkfuvINN6kh@slab.mtholyoke.edu> pscotto@MtHolyoke.edu (Peter J. Scotto) writes:
>>Anyone out there have an idea where I can get hold of accurate
>>maps of Russian cities - in Russian - with the renamed streets,
>>squares, etc.
>
>>--Peter Scotto
>
>Anyone out there have an idea where I can get hold of accurate
>maps of American states - in English - with all strategic objects,
>military ground installations, air- and ISM- bases, etc.
>
>--Major Korovin :-) :-) :-)

Actually, I have accurate map of Moscow. It was published 2-3 years ago.
It has complete street index, and it's the most accurate map of Moscow
I know. I could not come up with the street that I know and that was not marked
on this map -- all other maps/schemes readily failed this test.
In fact, it was the first *map* (karta) of Moscow published for a long time.
The stuff published before were "shemy" (schemes?) -- the things were not
drawn to scale on them.

What's interesting, DC area road atlas which is drawn to scale
is inaccurate in details. The place where I live is shown in such a way
that some road connections are omitted completely, while some other
streets are shown to be connected, and, in fact, they are not.


Vadim Maslov.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Human rights in Latvia
From: ibezdech@netlink.cts.com (Ivars Bezdechi)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 13:31:14 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Frankly, reading your messages shows an obvious lack of information about 
the citizenship rules in Latvia.  I am 1/2 Latvian-Estonian, but born in 
the United States, and I have just registered for citizenship (my mother 
is Latvian-Estonian).  Anybody who can prove Latvian ancestry can apply 
for citizen just as long as they were citizens prior to June 17, 1940.  

I have ethnic Russians who are good acquaintances (friends) who came to 
Latvia as a part of Stalin's/the Soviet Union process of Russification of 
the Baltic States.  I have no problem with ethnic Russians when they 
learn Latvian and act as Latvians.  My mother was FORCED to learn Russian 
with the occupation of Latvia by the Russians....and frankly, I don't see 
a problem with the Russians learning Latvian.  The Russians are the 
occupiers.  It quite apparents seeing the false reports of "Russian 
bashing" by the Latvian that the RUssians obviously can't live with the 
thought that they are no longer the masters.  In fact, nobody is forcing 
the Russians to stay in Latvia.  If they are so unhappy, there is PLENTY 
of space in Russia for them. 

-Ivars

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From: jlbass@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: higher education admission standards in the ex-ussr.
Date: 26 Jan 93 10:25:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: memstvx1.1993Jan26.162542.5235
Organization: Memphis State University


	I have a friend who is beginning research on a dissertation dealing
with admission standards expected of non-foreign students in various
countries.One of these countries is the ex-Soviet Union(all Republics). The
others are Germany,Japan,Britain,and China. What he wants to know is "what are
the rules and standards for admission into colleges and universities for
students in these countries" Also information on the numbers of successful
applicants,the number of total spaces available for students,and reasons why
students do or don't get in would be appreciated. In other words he wants data
on admission as well as any background type information on the proceedures of
admission. Thanks for any help of this nature that you may be able to give.
		Sincerely,
		John Bass
		(JLBASS@MSUVX1.CC.Memst.edu)
From: muh@physics2 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Moya militsya menya berezhyot (Was: Crime and punishment/CH(G
Date: 27 Jan 1993 07:08:26 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics2.berkeley.edu

In article <106748@netnews.upenn.edu> sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin) writes:
>  Right. But you can't tell the story (I'm-just-arrived)
>  for two years. Besides, in most states you're required
>  to obtain a valid state licence within a couple of months.
>  (I know of PA, IL, and CA)

Your knowledge is wrong. 

You may use license issued by your other country or state as long as they aree
valid in that country or state (CA driver's handbook). It is widely spread
misunderstanding.

Yury M.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Re: Help with addressing mail to the Ukraine
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:50:12 GMT

In article <C17qLE.rJ@unx.sas.com>, sasmb@carroll.unx.sas.com (Miguel Bamberger) writes:
> 
> I want to mail a letter to a town in the Ukraine.  I have the full 
> address in Cyrillic.  What parts of the address should be written
> in English for the letter to get there?
> 
> Thanks!
> -- 
> Miguel Bamberger    | If you are going to do something wrong, 
> sasmb@unx.sas.com   | at least enjoy it.    Leo Rosten
> Austin Tech Pubs    |

Especially in light of Dmitry Goldenberg's posting, the good idea would probably 
be to forget the idea of sending the letter via mail altogether. Try to find 
somebody who is going to Russia/Ukraine and will be willing to take your letter
with them. If you are anywhere close to NYC, you might try going to JFK on
saturday and for a reasonable fee (maybe about $5) I think you will be able to
find a person flying off to Moscow or St. Petersburg (I would personally choose
St. Petersburg, though...:).

--Igor P.
From: LODEESENJ@adminb.rferl.org (Username was LODEESEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Moldova
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:05:42 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Vlad Socor is following developments in Moldova at RFE/RL.  There is almost
always one report in the RFE/RL Daily Report on Moldova, occasionally two,
and only none if he is away or there is a crushing load of other"pre-analysis".
I don't know if you want to receive 6 pages a day of info on the xSU and EE
in order to get 8-lines on Moldova as I don't know whether your interest is
specialized.  But IF scanning through the rest makes it worthwhile for you,
I'll be happy to let you know how to subscribe.  Also, if there is a group
who share your interest in a more limited area you can almost certainly get
permission to extract and forward only the portions which fit your area.
From: veith@dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Helmut Veith (gottlob))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Passport laws
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:26:53 GMT
Reply-To: veith@dbai.tuwien.ac.at
Organization: DBAI

The last information for the passport laws is as follows:

At the Russian emnassy we were told that the old passport
may be used till April, however under the old restrictions:
that is, whoever wants to leave Russia with an old passport
needs an exit visa from OVIR. 
If you have good reasons and behave friendly to the people,
the embassy itself may issue this exit visa. You just need an
officially looking letter saying that for this or another purpose
you have to return immediately to the country where you are staying.

Good Luck to everybody, Helmut

---
Helmut Veith
Technical University Vienna
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Plagiarizer (Was: Boris Grebenshchikov)
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:24:04 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <1993Jan20.003413.5010@news.nd.edu> alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe) writes:

>I agree that Aquarium couldn't play real reggae as it couldn't play real blues
>or whatever, but the point is that BG _tried_ to play it and what he was trying  
>to do was influenced by Bob Marley.  Is there any more or less famous rock  
>musician who didn't affect Aquarium's music or didn't inspire BG to write  
>anything?

	:):) Genesis P-Orridge! Seriously, no one musician
	from "progressive" circuit (like Peter Hammill,
	Klaus Schultze or some horrid ELP/ELO/Yes band,
	all of them were extremely big this time in Russia -
	check Kinchev's song "Meloman") has any influence
	on Aquarium. I challenge you to exemplify which songs
	were influenced by Schultze, Yes or Van der Graaf.
	Ditto for Genesis.

	Funny enough that the current number one 
	Russian rock-group (Grazhd. Oborona) quotes
	Love and Genesis' "From Genesis to Revelation" (!!!)
	as a major influence.


>By the way, Led Zep also made attempts to play reggae. Remember 
>"Oh-oh-oh-oh, you don't have to go". In my opinion, it is awful.  

	Sorry for being picky, but LZ always asserted that
	this is a parody. IMHO, a very funny one.

>No matter what BG said about Pink Floyd, Aquarium tried to imitate their stuff.
>Most of the times what BG was saying in the interviews was just 'styob'. At  
>least, I got the feeling. 

	I wold be interested to learn where. I never found
	in A. songs neither Floyd nor Genesis influence, not
	even a slight trace. I guess you just take some
	Cocteau Twins influenced song (which are indeed numerous)
	for Floyd-influenced :)

>Well... Are The Doors boring or not is a matter of taste. I am not
>going to argue with you.
>
>Mainstream?
>
>Yes, they recorded some commercial songs (usually, they released them 
>as singles), though Jim hated everything that "sounds commercial". They had 
>only 6 or 7  hits, and even these are very different from the mainstream 
>(except Love Her Madly and Touch Me). Note that the short version of 
>Light My Fire became a hit, not the one with a long organ solo by Manzarek. 
>What about the fact that before the contract with Electra The Doors were 
>kicked out by all the recording companies just because their 
>stuff sounded weird. 

	This is America of 60-ies where even Hendrix could
	not find a label (he found one only after a trip
	to London). Hendrix is God, sure, but nevertheless
	he was never out of mainstream. He was just too good
	for American labels. Ditto for The Doors.
	
	This is also LA - quite unfriendly
	to rock music city. Can you name a group from
	60-ies LA escept Doors?

>Now tell me who were The Beatles before "The Sergeant Pepper..."
>was released?

	I have no idea what changed with Sgt Pepper release.

	Misha.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alexei Strouwe)
Subject: ANECDOTES: Krasnaya Shapochka (Was: s NAU^NOJ TO^KI ZRENIQ ...)
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:47:42 GMT

 I am sure it is an old joke, but the recent discussion in the newsgroup
 remind me this story about Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson.

   Do you know how Sherlock Holmes quit smoking? If not, I'll tell you.

   Dr. Watson wanted Sherlock Holmes to quit smoking. He took the best 
pipe of Holmes' collection, inserted it in his anus and then put it back
to its place. When Sherlock Holmes tried to smoke, he had noticed a strange 
smell of the tobacco and threw the pipe away.

   Then Dr. Watson did the same thing with the second best pipe of the 
collection and again Sherlock Holmes had thrown the pipe away.

   Watson continued doing this thing until all the pipes had gone.
 
   Eventually, Sherlock Holmes quit smoking, but Dr. Watson still cannot
 quit his bad habit.

---

"Uzh luchshe kurit', chem kovyriat'sia trubkami v zhope." - podumala
 Krasnaya Shapochka. 
                         Paul Nedoumenko: Basni perestroiki.
From: verbit@coolidge.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Mail to Russia. Shit!
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:29:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan22.002939.19650
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

In article <93021.125954BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu (Boris A. Veytsman) writes:

>I agree with Dmitry. Of course, postal clercs are desperate and poor;
>one can understand this, but what they do is abominable.
>
>And advice to those who want their letters delivered. Convince
>postal clerks that there are no $$ in it. To do this make yor letter
>official-looking. Use stationery from your work (envelopes with
>return address of your university/company printed on them).
>Never write address by hand - only printer! (Preferably good
>laser one). Never do this in Cyrillic!
>
>I checked this - it helps!
>
>-Boris

And even better, send your letters with someone who flies
directly to Russia and tell him to use local postal service.
The Russia-to-Russia mail is quite reliable (comparing
with US-to-Russia which never comes through or comes
after 2-3 mths waiting). Some of Russian emigre shops
(like Boston's Beriozka in Brookline) support this
kind of service. Beriozka charges $.75 for a letter
but it is (allegedly) also not reliable.

Misha.

P. S. If someone wants to buy Kuriokhin/Kaiser CD
"Populyarnaya Nauka" released by Raycodisk in 88
(actually, not a good one :) you can do it for
$4.99 in the basement of Cheapo Records on 
Central Square, Cambr. This CD (used) rests
there for a month already, so you have a good 
chance to find it not bought yet. The usual list
price on this is $13.99.
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Moya militsya menya berezhyot (Was: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...)
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:10:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <C1GznA.A15@news.cso.uiuc.edu> didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:
#alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe) writes:

#>I'd like to know what do you think of cops here and "mentah" there.

#"One day my friends car was towed, he was parked in a no part zone. We went
#to the appropriate police station to pay the ticket, and to get car back.
#At the station, we paid to what seemed to be a well-natured man, who took
#our money, smiled, told us where to go to pick up the car, and said "Have
#a nice evening." "---------------Chicago, few years back.

#My question is whether you would get the same respectful treatment in a
#xSoviet militia?

  Even better. If you pay money directly to a GAI inspector
  you avoid those stupid tickets at all. Besides, nobody
  will bother to tow your car - they'll remove license plates.
  But who cares - a car will run even without them.
  My friend also told me that when he came back from the US
  and had a US driver license he discovered that it's much
  cheaper to drive without any license than to show an American
  one. 

>----Garik.

 S.B.
From: dmbriggs@VELA.ACS.OAKLAND.EDU (BRIGGS DENNIS M)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Moldova
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:24:07 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

In soc.culture.soviet you write:

>Vlad Socor is following developments in Moldova at RFE/RL.  There is almost
>always one report in the RFE/RL Daily Report on Moldova, occasionally two,
>and only none if he is away or there is a crushing load of other"pre-analysis".
>I don't know if you want to receive 6 pages a day of info on the xSU and EE
>in order to get 8-lines on Moldova as I don't know whether your interest is
>specialized.  But IF scanning through the rest makes it worthwhile for you,
>I'll be happy to let you know how to subscribe.  Also, if there is a group
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>who share your interest in a more limited area you can almost certainly get
>permission to extract and forward only the portions which fit your area.

Could you let me know? Thanks.

--mikey, who has a son in grad school in IR.
From: ma171wba@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Ziv Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Major IRC Meeting II
Keywords: Anyone Welcome
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:27:44 GMT
Followup-To: Armenian IRC Meeting I
Organization: University of California, San Diego


Parev!!!

There will be a meeting on IRC this
Saturday, 1/23/93 at 1p.m. Pacific
time (west coast time) on channel
#Hayastan.  IRC permits conference-
type chatting via the modem.

From Unix Type:  irc    [Return]
Then Just Type:  /join #Hayastan    [Return] 
Then you're all set to communicate with
fellow Armenians.

Looking forward to seeing you there!


H. Minassian
From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:13:22 GMT
 <ALEXEEV.93Jan22220306@solitude.math.utah.edu>  
 <1jsd73INNqf@haven.umd.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1jsd73INNqf@haven.umd.edu>
vadik@savoir.cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov) writes:

> Then come to DC at night, walk around for couple hours and
> get your brains blown away by some mad gunman/drug dealer.
> Or get your car hi-jacked and/or your brains still blown away.
> One or two killings happen in DC almost every day.
> And, just think of it, DC population is about 200,000.

Actually, the population of DC is around 600,000.


--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"I should have realized it would be bad vodka when all the label said
was 'Russian Vodka'."
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:12:31 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet
Organization: Boston University

I am somehow puzzled by the discussion of safe
places in NY vs. Moscow.

Are youpeople serious?Sovsem ottynulic'?

Consider this:

When somebody is knocking at your door at 6 a.m.:
do you think it is FBI or Federal Express?

enuf said.
Senya
From: mcb@PRESTO.IG.COM ("Michael C. Berch")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Test message (1)
Date: 28 Jan 93 22:14:36 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>

This is a test of the SCS-L -> soc.culture.soviet gateway.
No need to reply.

--
Michael C. Berch
Gateway admin
mcb@presto.ig.com / mcb@net.bio.net
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Subject: Re: Moya militsya menya berezhyot (Was: Crime and punishment/CH(G)...)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:40:20 GMT

alexei@cartan.math.nd.edu (Alex Strouwe) writes:

> Gospoda,

>After the long discussion about Crime, I think we should talk a little bit  
>about Punishment.

>I'd like to know what do you think of cops here and "mentah" there.

Let me be  close-minded for a second and say that all cops are just your
basic dumb (I think this took more than a second :-).  But I have a story:
"One day my friends car was towed, he was parked in a no part zone. We went
to the appropriate police station to pay the ticket, and to get car back.
At the station, we paid to what seemed to be a well-natured man, who took
our money, smiled, told us where to go to pick up the car, and said "Have
a nice evening." "---------------Chicago, few years back.

My question is whether you would get the same respectful treatment in a
xSoviet militia?

----Garik.
From: milsh@nmr-z.mgh.harvard.edu (Alex Milshteyn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: ewe ne nu3deTc (Was:Re: Mail to Russia. P*zdets!)
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:54:55 GMT
Organization: Mass General Hospital CIPR Imaging Center


Hi:

Anecdotes about $100.00 in the next letter are funny, but that's
not nu3deTc yet.  The one follows:

This is my 5ths year in Boston.
My father lives in on of the closest to Moscow suburbs,
just across Coltsevaya (Moscow beltway for uninitiated), Reutov.
From the 3d quarter of 1989, he receives 5-10 percent of my
letters (regardless whether it's FedEx, DHL, regular or 
express mail, registered, etc.
Isn't THIS nu3deTc?

Obviously, I do correspond to other people in Moscow, one
of those is just on the other side of the beltway (Novogireevo).
He gets all the stuff.  Due to the fact that my correspondence
with the latter has only business involved, I can not ask him to
be my regular carrier.

On the average, success rate for DHL is 100 (for pick up), at $70.00
	an envelope.
- FedEx - same, but none delivers to outside the belt - inconvenient
	for en elderly person to stroll across the city to pick up the stuff.
- Registered - success rate about 10-12%, speed - about 20-30 days
- regular mail - success rate about 5-12 %, speed - 7-30 days.
	impossible to predict, which letters will or will not get thru, with
	respect to weight, volume, envelope, how envelope is desguised (I tried
	business envelopes, too).  
The only trick that improves chances of getting the letter across is
to make a pretty big slit in the back of the envelope.  I usuallu cut it
at the site, where it is folded:
______________________________
______________________________)   <- here, in the bottom of the envelope,

For 8-3/4 envelope 5-6 inch slit works fine.  Every f...ng curious
creature can see that the envelope is empty (no cash, I mean) and is
of no interest to them - that stuff gets thru. (At a turtle speed)

So, whenever you, guys, need to send something serious - get ready
to shell out.

BTW, IMHO, the risk of loss of cash in the mail (needless to say
it is illegal) is high enough to justify AmEx ways.



**********************************************************************
Alex M. Milshteyn   	<milsh@cipr-server.mgh.harvard.edu>
617/726-7834 Voice      Center For Imaging And Pharmaceutical Research
617/726-7830 Fax        Massachusetts General Hospital
617/724-9507 Direct     Boston, MA
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CIPR, MGH in Boston, MA.     (617)724-9507 Vox  (617)726-7830 Fax
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet