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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:23:45 EST
From:         Jay Elinsky <ELINSKY@YKTVMV.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Broken linemode connections

Ref:  Your note of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:11:29 CET

> After TELNET to IBM in line mode server closes connection after about
> 17 mins. Doesn't matter what he or she is doing. Connection is being
> closed, user becomes force-disconnected. It doesn't happen
> while working in 3270 mode (with TN3270). I have no idea.
> Any advice ?

Ugh, looks like the inactivity timer is hitting line-mode connections even
if they're active.  Please open an APAR with the Support Center so we can
get a PTF out to you.  Meanwhile, you can eliminate the inactivity timer
by removing the "INACTIVE" parameter from the INTERNALCLIENTPARMS statement
in PROFILE TCPIP.

                                       Jay Elinsky
                                       IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
                                       Yorktown Heights, NY
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:50:26 MDT
From:         "Matthew Ling" <626022@UCDASVM1.ADMIN.UCALGARY.CA>
Subject:      TSO Telnet client with VT100 emulation

FROM: Matthew Ling
      The University of Calgary              Phone: (403) 220-5441
      Department of Administrative Systems     FAX: (403) 282-9361

     Could someone tell me where I can find some code for a Telnet client
     program which supports VT100 emulation and runs in the MVS TSO
     environment?

  ** Note: TSO environment, NOT VM.

P.S. I believe someone asked this question before, but I don't seem to
     find any reply in the database.  Hence, I refiled this question.

 Regards Matthew.
                                                         Date: 93/01/27
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:45:02 EST
From: Jerry Bryan <BRYAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
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Subject: Re: lookup of city names and zip codes

In article <IBMTCP-L%93012110474323@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>, Craig Rosenberg
<CRAIG@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU> says:
>
>On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:01:20 CST CC14000 said:
>>City info is available at
>>
>>   martini.eecs.umich.edu 3000
>
>Hi, how would I do this. I tried to ftp to it, but the user comes back
>invalid.

TELNET instead of FTP.
From: SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher)
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Subject: SHARE Requirements (was: FTP Configuration Data Set Not Working)
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:08:00 GMT
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Organization: Draper Laboratory

In article <IBMTCP-L%93012705080894@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>,
LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET (Leonard D Woren) writes:

>                 [The TCPIP requirements coordinator has an Internet
>address, but I forgot who it is and where I kept the info.  Sigh.

Well, Roger Fajman <RAF@NIHCU.BITNET> billed himself in a recent posting
as the "Former SHARE TCP/IP Project Requirements Coordinator".  I don't
know who it is now.

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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:56:52 -0400
From:         Charlie Rizzuto <crizzuto@ROSEDALE.ORG>
Subject:      ftp messages

We are running TCP/IP for MVS V2R2. One of our users was doing a 'get'
during a FTP session from a banyan lan. The log shows the following
messages.  Does anyone have any idea where I might find these messages,
or can tell me what they mean?  I already look in the Messages and Codes
manual.  Any help is greatly appreciated. =====================\
                                                               |
Thanks.                                                        |
                                                               |
 FTPALL001I MVS TCP/IP FTP V2R2                                |
 FTPALL007I OPEN (name of foreign host):                       |
 FTPALL105I Connecting to XXXXXXX 144.81.XX.XX, port 21        |
 220-XXXXXXX.ROSEDALE.ORG PC/TCP Version 2.05 pl3 FTP Server   |
 220 Connection is automatically closed if idle for 5 minutes  |
 FTPALL010I USER (identify yourself to the host):              |
 FTPALL252I >>>USER XXXXXXX                                    |
 230 User OK, no password, directory is X:\FTPDATA             |
 FTPALL011I Command:                                           |
 FTPALL252I >>>TYPE i                                          |
 200 Using data type IMAGE                                     |
 FTPALL011I Command:                                           |
 FTPALL252I >>>PORT 144,81,XX,XX,X,XXX                         |
 200 Port OK                                                   |
 FTPALL252I >>>RETR F:\XXXXX\XXXXXXX\SENDSEC.ARC               |
 150 Opening data connection                                   |
 FTPALL036I 360448 bytes transferred.                          |
 FTPALL036I 827392 bytes transferred.                          |
 FTPALL036I 1269760 bytes transferred.                         |
 FTPALL036I 1736704 bytes transferred.                         |
 FTPALL036I 2187264 bytes transferred.                         |
 FTPALL036I 2531328 bytes transferred.                         |
 FTPALL036I 2990080 bytes transferred.                         |
 FTPALL036I 3448832 bytes transferred.                         |
 FTPALL036I 3899392 bytes transferred.                         |
 FTPALL036I 4325376 bytes transferred.                         |
 FTPALL036I 4734976 bytes transferred.                         |
 FTPALL035I ImageMode: svc2 error -13 <==========This one especially !
 FTPALL239I Local data set access error
 FTPALL252I >>>ABOR
 500 Command unrecognized
 FTPALL279I Server not responding, closing connection.


Charlie Rizzuto
(609)-734-5246
(CJR2567@ROSEDALE.BITNET)
(CRIZZUTO@ROSEDALE.ORG)
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:30:14 EST
From:         "Thomas D. Denier" <TOM@PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What is a 3270 transform program?

A 3270 transform program is a software protocol converter. It transforms
an ASCII terminal data stream to a 3270 data stream in roughly the same
way an IBM 7171 terminal controller does.

Simware markets a 3270 transform program for MVS TCP/IP under the name
SimTCP/IP. I don't know whether there is a VM version of the program
available.

I recently installed the MVS version for a test period. It is now possible
for people with dumb terminals (or PCs that emulate dumb terminals)
connected to terminal servers to establish telnet (not tn3270) sessions to
the MVS system and log on as 3270s.
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:09:24 EST
From:         "Cromer, Dan" <19016007%SBAC@NERVM.NERDC.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Problem with AIX 3.2 telnet
              26 Jan 1993 10:38:46 EST from <TOM@PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU>

On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:38:46 EST Thomas D. Denier said:
>I am having problems with telnet under AIX 3.2 on an RS/6000. It
>consistently fails for certain host systems. For example, if I telnet
>to a Cisco reverse terminal server connected to an IBM 7171 and press
>the carriage return key I get the following characters on the screen:
>
>f`xxxx`x~
>....stuff deleted
After dealing with a 7171 and various modems for years this looks
like problems with speed and parity.  Remember that the 7171
senses the speed of the connection from what it takes as the
initial carriage return after connection is made, and requires
7 data bits Even parity.  You need to configure the Cisco so
that it always uses a fixed Baud rate with even parity in its
connection to the 7171.  If you've done that (assuming that it
can be done, I don't have a Cisco) I don't have any other suggestions.
Good luck,
Dan
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:25:45 PST
Reply-To:     Jim Michael <jim_michael@csufresno.edu>
From:         Jim Michael <jim_michael@CSUFRESNO.EDU>
Subject:      test - please disregard

This is a test

James D. Michael
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:20:28 EST
From:         Rex Bontrager <REXB@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Multiple MVS Telnet Servers

On Thu, 28 Jan 1993 13:23:58 EST Mr. Charles Francavilla said:
>Here at UB we are running an APPL called NETSOL which we acquied from
>Texas A and M. (there is also a package called TCPHEAD which also
>works quite well). The program presents a MSG10 looking screen and
>accept USSTAB like nick names them passes the LU to the APPL.
>(like NVAS)

Is either NETSOL or TCPHEAD free or priced under $1000?
Where can I obtain these packages? (email address or phone number)

Thanks for your help.


Rex Bontrager
IBM Systems Programmer, IBM Postmaster
Purdue University Computing Center
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 11:53:00 GMT
From:         "Robert G. Moskowitz" <0003858921@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: FTP Configuration Data Set Not Working

>The problem was refered to the TCP/IP for DOS folks since their product does
>not support the SENDSITE command which when used with the SITE command could be
>used to do what I want (at least this is what I was told).

We once faced a similar problem.  Our HP also does not support the SENDSITE
command, but it does support the QUOTE command.  So we QUOTEd SENDSITE and
everything worked fine...


Bob Moskowitz
Date: Wednesday, 27 Jan 1993 12:59:18 EST
From: Allen L. Daugherty <ALLEN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
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Subject: Multiple MVS Telnet Servers

Environment is TCP/IP 2.2.1 runing under MVS/XA.

We have found a need to have 2 Telnet servers running under MVS.  Our current
server connects all users to our network solicitor (NVAS).  We have a new
need for people to connect and instead of getting the NVAS screen, to be
connected directly to the CICS running our NOTIS library system.

One possibility that doesn't look like would work would be to run a second
Telnet server in the TCP/IP address space using a different port number.
This server would be associated with a different set of VTAM options including
a different DEFAULTAPPL parameter. Am I correct that this will not work?

A second possibility is to run a second TCP/IP address space, with a different
IP address, and use SNALINK to connect it and the primary TCP/IP together.
The primary TCP/IP would act as a gateway for the secondary TCP/IP and the
Telnet running in it.  Would this work?

Is there an easier way that I have missed?  Thanks in advance for any
comments, suggestions, etc.

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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:57:29 EST
From:         John Hammond <MAILMNT@UCONNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: IBM TCPIP FTPSERVE and CA-ACF2?
              15 Jan 1993 00:09:18 -0700 from <ACUS02@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM>

Try the CA-ACF 3.2 "VM Other Products Manual", Appendix B - Machine-Readable
Mods, page 56.1-56.4.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:43:16 -0500
From:         ed@SIMWARE.COM
Subject:      Re: What is a 3270 transform program?

    On  Wed, 20 Jan 1993 12:47:46 GMT
    marques@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK asks
    On page 107 of the TCP/IP V2R2 "Planning and Customisation" manual
    (SC31-6082-1) there is section describing the TRANSFORM parameter
    of the INTERNALCLIENTPARMS configuratiom statement (PROFILE TCPIP).
    Can anybody tell me what a 3270 transform program is....

The TRANSFORM parameter is used in conjunction with a product from
my company called Sim3278 for TCP/IP; this product resides inside the
IBM TCP/IP address space (VM or MVS) and provides 3270 emulation,
for terminals which have no "TN3270" emulation, e.g. VTxxx terminals
on 1980's vintage terminal servers (new ones often have TN3270 built-in),
or PCs running NCSA TELNET (i.e. vs. Clarkson CUTCP). Yes of course
7171s or TN3270 make more sense for most people....no argument there.
There are various cost constraints, maintenance and support costs,
and other factors which make one approach preferable than another.

The TRANSFORM parameter causes the IBM TCP/IP product ("HAL" or "FAL")
to dynamically load the Simware product. Note that specifying TRANSFORM
without having Sim3278 installed results in an ABEND (806) when the LOAD
fails. With Sim3278 installed, whenever an incoming TELNET session is
opened on the IBM host, and TN3270 subnegotiation fails, then
the Simware product will take over and perform the "TN3270" emulation
instead. Contact me privately if you have any questions or interest
in the product.

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Ed Sterling - ed@simware.com
Simware Inc. (508) 779-6058
Bolton, MA USA 01740
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From: SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher)
Subject: Re: ftp messages
Reply-To: seb1525@draper.com
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:37:00 GMT

> FTPALL239I Local data set access error

This message, if it is not accompanied by an error like yours, also
can mean that the data set name syntax checker didn't like the name.

We got this message when we tried to FTP into an MVS data set with a
hyphen in the name.  A similar problem with the MVS FTP *server*
gave this message:

 550 Unexpected return code from GetState for <data-set-name-with-hyphen>

IBM Level 2 gave us fix AN32851 (APAR number = PN32851), which solved
the hyphen problem but introduced an error with data set names of the
form "foo.$bar" - in other words, a period followed by a dollar sign.
So IBM issued a new edition of the same APAR (REWORK 1993004), which
we're running with now, and both hyphens and dollar signs seem to work.

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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:23:00 PST
From:         Leonard D Woren <LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: (U) TSO Telnet Client with VT100 Emulation

On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:25:00 PST,
   "Denis DeLaRoca 825-4580 310 " <CSP1DWD@UCLAMVS.BITNET> said:
> I do have such a package, it's called Xtelnet ("X" for experimental)
>
>         ... it does a credible job in emulating vt100 terminals but
> *is* no replacement for a real workstation or an ascii terminal, there's
> only so much one can do to make old 3270 terminals behave as full-duplex
> character oriented devices.

All true, but still *much* more usable than standard telnet.  In fact,
I use xtelnet exclusively now, except when I forget (old habits die
hard).  xtelnet even supports 3270 transparent mode, so it can
theoretically be a complete replacement for telnet.  Also, since it
uses sockets, I can run FTP and xtelnet under different Pie MultiTSO
sessions without interference.  And Ron Lane and I are attempting to
get IUCVMULT to work correctly under MultiTSO, which would then allow
multiple xtelnet sessions in different Pie sessions.

> some folks, however, are using it to connect to Unix systems and run
> things like vi, emacs, rn, etc., albeit with fatiguing discomfort.

I tried emacs once through xtelnet.  But I couldn't inhale.  "Fatiging
discomfort"???  Give me a break.  I'd almost rather have a root canal
without anasthetic.  Denis has done an amazing job with vt100
emulation in xtelnet, but full screen editors are out of the realm of
reasonableness.  rn through xtelnet, BTW, isn't too difficult for an
experienced rn user.  But NNMVS probably would make more sense.

/Leonard
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:26:31 PST
From:         Yossie Silverman <YOSSIE@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NNR/VM version 1.3.1 (Announcement)
              25 Jan 93 15:57:06 CST from <TROTH@ricevm1.rice.edu>

I know of that, it still isn't half as nice as mine (which is getting
Post News and Post Mail soon! :-) - Yossie

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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:08:00 PST
From:         Leonard D Woren <LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: FTP Configuration Data Set Not Working

On Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:34:32 GMT,
   RICHARD BOND <rbond@NEVADA.EDU> said:
> We are running TCP/IP for MVS version 2.1 (I know we are behind) and doing
> a FTP function from TCP/IP for DOS version 2.0 to it. On the MVS side our
> user has set up a userid.FTP.DATA dataset including the file parameters that
> he wants to override from the tcpip.FTP.DATA default.
>
> It does not work. Any type of file transfer from any PC running TCP/IP for
> DOS winds up with the default parameters on MVS.

I can predict the future:  IBM will respond "Working as Designed" and
"Submit a Requirement."  userid.FTP.DATA was implemented as a client
interface, and the FTP server does not look at it.  When you FTP into
MVS from elsewhere, you are talking to the server, which has not been
made to look at userid.FTP.DATA.  It would be nice if it worked the
way that you want, but I'll be rather amazed if they take an APAR on
this one...  I suggest that you submit a SHARE requirement -- SHARE is
coming up soon.  [The TCPIP requirements coordinator has an Internet
address, but I forgot who it is and where I kept the info.  Sigh.
Maybe he'll speak up here?  And get flooded with requirements...]

BTW, this is one of those "least surprise" issues that so many (most?)
software developers don't understand.  Software should obey the
Principle of Least Surprise.  That means that if a user doesn't know
exactly how something works and guesses at it, more often than not the
guess should be correct.

/Leonard
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From: CCP17BK@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU (Bill Kelly)
Subject: Re: FTP using Batch TMP question
Reply-To: kellywh@mail.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:24:00 GMT

In article <9301251534.AA0105@osreq48.rockwell.com>,
"Lionel B. Dyck" <lbdyck@OSREQ48.ROCKWELL.COM> writes:

>I am trying to use the FTP command in batch using the batch TMP to retrieve
>files.  It works for all the commands except GET and MGET (have not tried
>put/mput).
>
>I keep getting an error is: FTPALL240I Error allocating local data set
>
>
>The jcl that I am using is:
>
>//IEFPROC  EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01,DYNAMNBR=90
>//STEPLIB  DD  DISP=SHR,DSN=TCPIP.PROD.TCPLIB
>//SYSTSPRT DD  SYSOUT=T
>//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=T
>//SYSTSIN  DD  *
>profile prefix($a1238)
>FTP 128.123.35.151
>listsp tcpip.un32131.zip
>//SYSIN  DD  *
>anonymous $a1238@wcc1a.rockwell.com
>cd pub
>cd uploads
>dir
>binary
>mget tcpip.*
>quit

Yeah, that FTPALL240I message is really informative, isn't it? :-)
What's showing up in your job's allocation log?  Is the correct
dataset name being allocated?  Does the file already exist?  If so,
you of course need the (REPLACE option on the get/mget.  Also, we've
found that if the file already exists and (REPLACE is specified,
it only works if the existing file has a non-null DSORG field.  In
other words, when the file was allocated, a DSORG had to be explicitly
specified (either via JCL, ALLOC cmd, letting SPF supply it, etc.).

Also, Steve Bacher has posted some items concerning problems with
dataset names that have qualifiers starting with some of the 'national'
characters, I think.  I suppose you could be seeing something along
those lines.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:19:52 -0800
Reply-To:     David Singer <SINGER@ALMADEN.BITNET>
From:         David Singer <SINGER@ALMADEN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Domain name services information

The book is "DNS and BIND", by Paul Albitz and Cricket Liu, published by
O'Reilly and Associates.  ISBN 1-56592-010-4.

David Singer, IBM Almaden Research Center
From: SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher)
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Subject: Re: (U) TSO Telnet Client with VT100 Emulation
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:31:00 GMT
Reply-To: seb1525@support4.draper.com
Organization: Draper Laboratory

In article <IBMTCP-L%93012805215964@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>,
LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET (Leonard D Woren) writes:

>I use xtelnet exclusively now, except when I forget (old habits die
>hard).  xtelnet even supports 3270 transparent mode, so it can
>theoretically be a complete replacement for telnet.  Also, since it
>uses sockets, I can run FTP and xtelnet under different Pie MultiTSO
>sessions without interference.  And Ron Lane and I are attempting to
>get IUCVMULT to work correctly under MultiTSO, which would then allow
>multiple xtelnet sessions in different Pie sessions.

Didn't know that youse are working on a solution.  That's good news,
if it's real.  But I'll believe it when I see it.

Btw, I wrote a socket-based non-interactive FTP program that works,
solving the problem of coexistence between non-socket and socket
programs (which you didn't mention).  I'm currently using this in a
hack used by the MVS Gopher server to retrieve files from remote
public FTP sites.

Oh yeah, that's what I wanted to say - MVS Gopher client users may
have noticed that the installer has the option of setting the telnet
command to XTELNET if you have it.  (Sorry, not a user-settable option
- at least not yet - for the MVS Gopher client end user.)

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Steve Bacher (Batchman)                 Draper Laboratory
Internet: seb@draper.com                Cambridge, MA, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:10:03 EST
From: Jerry Bryan <BRYAN@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibmtcp-l
Subject: Re: FTP Configuration Data Set Not Working

In article <IBMTCP-L%93012705080894@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>, Leonard D Woren
<LDW@USCMVSA.BITNET> says:
>
>                                       Software should obey the
>Principle of Least Surprise.

I agree 100%, except that I always thought it was called the Principle
of Least Astonishment.  I guess you can pick your own synonym.
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