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From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Will the big American "change" give the Amiga a chance?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 05:19:16 GMT

I'll lay some more deep subliminal advertising/PR BS on ya all.  C= 
should really try and push the new Amigas now.  America wants change.  I
think Bill Clinton is a chinch to win the presidency and we will be 
entering a new era in American culture.  The established authorities are
already beaten.  This will have side affects in marketing with such things
as the (now famouse) architypal family.  Marketers will be scrambling to
establish there products in the new America.  Old icons of father figures
and mother figures such IBM (Big Blue) and AT&T (Ma Bell) will have to put
on younger more changed faces to reestablish themselves in the new
social order.  New companies will also be granted attention and a chance
to be established in the architypal family.  People just want change. ...new
and younger blood.

Watch and see how marketers exploit this desire for change if you don't
believe in this subliminal PR stuff.  I already noticed that Motorola is
entering the market with a "new" line of computers.  They used the word 
"new" and I think "change" a lot in the ad I saw on Larry King Live after
the presidential debates tonight.   

This could be C= marketting's big chance (don't sneaker) to get America to 
look at Amiga as serious machine.  They have a new AGA Amiga ready to go
just in time for the big change.

I do think they need to name it Amiga II or Amiga AGA or something to keep
it distinct from the A600 which will certainly be a kid's machine.



                                     NCW 
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From: west@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Bruce West)
Subject: Amiga 4000 - Why you should be HAPPY.
Organization: University of North Texas, Denton
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:35:49 GMT

     I don't understand you people.  Nothing is good enough.  C= increases
standard graphics throughput, bandwith, and colors all by an order of 
magnitude (an accomplishment imho) and you just complain.  Are you guys
really naive (read: stupid) enough to think a machine with 24 bit color
as a standard is good?  You think that is a good idea?  I say keep the
nice, powerful, base machines at a resonable price -- and then make the
add-ons avaiable.
     Second, as far everyone bitching cause they can't upgrade their old,
ancient 16/8 bit machine to use the A4000s 32 bit wide graphics chips, etc -
that's just the way it.  But I am hopeful that our good ol 3rd party vendors
will dream up some extreme solutions -- atleast for those of use with A3000s.
     As far as I'm concerned the A4000 is a very cost-effective competitor
for NeXT, etc.  Think about it, a LOWEST end B&W NeXT costs about as much as
an A4000.  Sure, it has higher resolution, but it doesn't have 256,000 colors
on screen in 640X960 (pretty damn photorealistic).  And, the good news in
all of this, is the Amiga has NOT lost it's animation/multimedia strengths
with all these extended graphics.  There are many easy ways to increase
graphics, it's much harder when you want to keep your animation speed and
nice multimedia abilities alive.
     Not to mention the 040 design in which we finally have a way to pop
higher clocked chips in and out as they become available -- this is another
great feature.  Other than the SCSI capabilties, I don't see how anybody in
there right mind could ever think there A3000 was better.  Sure, maybe its
not worth the upgrade price right now -- but it will be worth it.


Ciao...


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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: The Real A4000 Argument.  Barrett Bashing, Too... : )
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:11:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.090500.4077@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.063836.17258@netcom.com> jazz@netcom.com (David C. Navas) writes:
>>[Useless plea to follupto .advocacy deleted]
>>In article <1992Oct11.151358.27772@src4src.linet.org> bill@src4src.linet.org (Bill Lanides) writes:
>>>My whole problem with the A4000 is:
>>>-Commodore says there won't be any trade-in's for another 9 months!
>>
>>Where did you hear that?
>>That actually sounds quite excellent.  Perhaps they are waiting for
>>SCSI and DSP before offering a trade-in.  This would make marketing a
>>forward-thinking group, which is a nice, pleasant thought.
>
>	I heard a rumor that CBM would be giving free motherboard upgrades 
>to anyone with an A3000 who has Gold Service and has a repair which requires
>it.

   And I heard a rumor that Atari is going to buy Apple Computer and sell
Macintoshes.

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From: ernie@aquarium.Buffalo.NY.US (Ernest J. Gainey III)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:42:49 GMT
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In article <mac1.718664304@Ra.MsState.Edu>, Mubashir Cheema writes:

> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>
> >You obviously have not seen some of the PC cases that are available.  I use
> >a PC at work that is much uglier than the A4000 and have seen several that
> >are just as bad or worse.
>
>
>   Good, you too admitted that its UGLY.
>
> >> Hell its a big SQUARE BOX, no innovative design that we Amigans are used to.
>
>  While I was proudly showing the same picture of A4000 to a friend and he
>  goes " So what is it a 386 or 486 ? ". I was like " What ? ", "yeah yeah I
>  know its Amiga 4000 and Amiga makes it but what is it 386 or 486 " he said.
>  "Jerk its not PC compatible" I was a little upset. " Looks like one to me "
>  he remarked. Well that forced me to post this article.
>
>  Man I am protesting against it. I am not buying it unless they stop buying
>  the A4000 box from ( CCPCC ) Chinese Cheapest PC Cases Co.

>  If you can pack a Cray III in that UGLY A4000 box I sure would love to
>  get it, but given what A4000 offers and the ugly box comes as a bonus
>  I think I'll use my current Amiga until things change.
>  Again : I am not basing my decision entirely on the looks of a computer
>  but that is a major factor. Think about it, do you care how a car looks
>  before you buy it or you just care if it runs good.
>
>

Okay, I think I sliced and DICEd this enuff to keep what I need.. *smirk*

Maybe Commodore has new ideas... of... well... how do I say this...

PC Clones, sell like hot-cakes... maybe they had some weird half baked
idea... Make it look like a PC or CLONE... and well... maybe it will
sell...

Everyone knows... how there are computer illiterate people whom feel
they absolutely NEED a computer at home...

well.. you might get the idea ;-)

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From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: CDTV vs CD-I, Crap CD-I Golf on Show
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:49:52 GMT

etxansk@garbo (Anders Skelander) writes:
>To be more specific: I expected the CD-I machine's animation capabilities
>to be something of a "new generation" experience, taking advantage
>of the so-called "Full Motion Video" technique. 

Wait a little while.  The full motion video card isn't out yet.

That Golf game was one of the very first CD-I titles ever done.
Some people love it; some don't care for it.  Personal taste, obviously.
From a technical standpoint, it's interesting because the background
is a pseudo 24-bit DYUV digitized photo of a real golf course.  The
golfer is overlaid in 128 colors from the second video subsystem,
using hardware masking via a Copper-like instruction stream.

As time goes by, authors get better at using the hardware; the same
as with CDTV authors. (You wanna talk about some really poor examples
of "multimedia"? :^)  In any case, I think you'd agree that a person
shouldn't make broad conclusions from seeing just one title.

best - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: A4000 Flaws?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:22:46 GMT

In article <Paula_Lieberman.06sy@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>I notice that Mac Quadras don't have on-board DSPs, that Silicon Graphics
>uses a drop-board with its lower end machines that it was showing off doing
>real time rendering and animation at MacWorld, that Sun doesn't have a DSP
>on the system board, nor does IBM on the RS/6000, or Hewlett-Packard on its
>32 bit machines, etc.

   Apple will likely introduce Macs with DSPs far sooner than Commodore will
announce Amigas with DSPs.  In one month, from what I've heard.  As for
workstations, they are even less dependent on audio capabilities.  Until very
recently, few of them even had 8-bit audio output.  (The NeXT doesn't really
count, as it has never really been aimed at the workstation market)

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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: A4000(Not 3.0Mill. Amigas,the new number is 4.5Mio)
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:24:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.004321.6610@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:

[ ]
>
>Egad, the french are in North America?  Why didnt we get rid of you 
>during WWII after you fired on us in Algieria.  
>
>Its never too late, you know.  We could run all the cowards out and 
>sell Quebec to the Japanese.  At least they could fight....

What kind of nonsense is this? Perhaps there should be some kind of 
moderation of this group. It's degenerating.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Essence of flame
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:55:51 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany



In <Bvps6t.HGz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>PC                      PeeCee
                         Pissie

Yes, really nasty, but I saw it.

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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: The A4000 little-review
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:31:03 GMT

In article <david.032z@ariane.cam.org> david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.175812.7661@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin E. Black) writes:
>
>> Yeah like the new rom will work on your a3000.  If you haven't seen it
>> already the new rom won't work in a non aga amiga.  Nor would it fit
>> since it is a singular 32bit rom.
>
>   I'm running 3.0 w/o a hitch. What's the big deal? Of course, I'm using
>a soft-kicked A3000, but with 10 MB of RAM, and don't see the need to buy
>a ROM.

	Not to forget that WB3.0 works fine even on a A500 with 512K chip as 
well (And 4.5 megs fast)

>
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From: okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I hold in my hands the CBM 1992 Anual Report....
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:14:54 GMT
	<1992Oct12.054138.23093@microsoft.com>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Essex, UK.
In-reply-to: iank@microsoft.com's message of 12 Oct 92 05:41:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.054138.23093@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
|>>(Windows is NOT an operating system).
|>Really? Why not? It provides all of the services an OS does. Except
|>for Disk IO which it gets from DOS, and even DOS will be
|>gone from Windows sooner than you think. Windows provides
|>features that should be in AmigaDOS, but are not (like RTG).
Windows is a bolt-on GUI, not an OS. If it ran without DOS being
present in the machine I would call it an OS. But it doesn't.

|>>and or word, unfortunately) at the SAME time as other Amiga software.
|>>This is of course a feat hoplessly impossible under windows, such is 
|>>life.
|>Yes, Windows deosn't multitask as well as the Amiga. But NT does.
|>But you wouldn't know about that as only people who have a clue
|>know about NT.
You don't have a clue either. You just happen to work for
the company that is responsible for the monstrosities of DOS and Windows.

|>/* IanK@Microsoft.com				*/

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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:03:51 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren) writes:

>As I said in previous postings, I've used Windows on an 80286, 386 and 486.
>I've also (briefly) used OS/2 2.0 on the same 486 computer that ran Windows
>(it was a 33MHz model with SVGA), Windows was VERY SLOW on the 286, SLOW on
>the 386 machines (both 25 and 33MHz), and somewhat lagging on the 486-33. But
>the machine ran Wing Commander just fine... Everything just whooshed by (oh
>my, what was that? An asteroid! >BAAAOOOUUUUMMM!!< Game Over!)
>I couldn't say that OS/2 was fast either, it certainly was faster than my 14.3
>MHz 68000 w/ 32 kB cache, but it wasn't as distinctive in the handling (hard
>to explain the feeling). Compared to an A3000 at 25 MHz, it clearly fell
>behind.
[...]
I think there are a lot of different IBM clones out there.  Many of them
aren't as efficient as others.  Nonetheless, we shouldn't bash them as
a whole--after all, there are some very nice clones out there.  Though you
could argue that the ones you worked with are very slow, you should 
acknowledge the fact that many clones have an accelerated SVGA and harddisk
adaptor built-in on the motherboard (ie, no 8Mhz ISA bottleneck).  Therefore,
I wouldn't surprise to see some IBM clones run faster and snappier than
an Amiga.  

Since nice IBM clones' price has dropped so much, I think we should open
our minds a little and accept the fact that there are some IBM clones
worth buying (perhaps in some cases more so than an Amiga).  

Don't get me wrong--I still like my Amiga.  (If I have the money, I would
seriously consider buying an Amiga 4000).  I just want to make my point
clear: let's not look down upon other computers and their users.  Instead,
we should work our way through to improve the Amiga.  

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:54:22 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In <1992Oct9.205944.3074@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   I have played games on the A3000 with the display enhancer turned on, and
>it has NEVER been a problem.  I have never really noticed the ghosting that
>you speak of.

	The ghosting is extremely obvious, although one gets used to it.  If
you want to see it, just wiggle the mouse pointer.  It breaks up immediately.

>Its there if objects ont he screen move REALLY raplidly, but how often do
>you see this happening in most games?

	You see it in any arcade game.  For a freely distributable example,
see MegaBall 2.0.  (An excellent game, BTW... enough to deserve the
shareware fee.)

                                                        Dan

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:47:48 GMT

>>Yes, but I have some faith that at least 3 of them will still be a force in 
>>a few years.  I cannot say this for Amiga.
>>
>Speak for your own desktop.  I can safely say that an Amiga will dorn my
>desktop for many...many....years to come!
>I'd take the first Amiga (A1000) over the first IBM or Mac *ANYDAY*!!!!
>At least it would be in color, multitask (pre-emptive, too), and play
>some GREAT games.  Can either of the first IBMs or Macs do that?
>HELL, can *ANY* of their most recent ones do that?????  Who's clueless?
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         Well, I've got a 486 running OS2.  It's a color system, multitasks,
   and plays great games.  Who's clueless?

						G.Greene

>
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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Four Thousand Raisins... unclothed!
Date: 12 Oct 1992 19:36:38 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1992Oct12.163207.18309@sunova.ssc.gov> blocker@dominic.ssc.gov (Rich Hall) writes:
>Case in point: Anyone notice the recent bumper crop of 
>products using non-English words ending in -a? "Quadra,
>Performa, Ventura, etc."? It seems like such words lend a 
>scientific, respectable quality to a product, as if researchers 
>have just named a new Genus-Species, a revolutionary medicine,
>or a ground-breaking mathematical formula. In fact, they are 
>just now implementing variations on the Amiga's original theme.
>The Amiga is more personal, user-friendly, and powerful than
>any other competing system. Its name says so.

Yup, I've noticed.  I've noticed that the Quadra and Performa line
look sicka, and run Mathematica like a snaila.  Fortunately, the Maca
line doesn't have Ventura Publisha.  Deetepeea is supposed to be the
Maca's stronga pointa, but I don'ta seea very good supporta for newa
Deeteepeea softwarea anymore.  Ventura's been arounda for a longa
time, though.  But it does sounda kinda catchy...  Ita?  :)

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From: blocker@dominic.ssc.gov (Rich Hall)
Subject: Re: A Commodore Engineer speaks out.
Keywords: Reverse Enginneering AGA - can it be done?
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:26:23 GMT

>>> [Discussion of custom chipsets on plug-in card deleted]

Who is to say that GVP won't release a G-Force 4000 that
comes with a 68040, HD controller, 32-bit RAM, AND the AGA
chipset (or AA sockets)? Current NewTek Toaster and GVP IV24
users would welcome such an upgrade to their G-Force 030
boards.

If GVP doesn't do it, shouldn't Commodore?

  -- Rich Hall, Technologist
     Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
     Dallas, Texas

My views are my own, and may not reflect those of my
employers, the Universities Research Association, the US
Department of Energy, or any other governmental entity or
contractor.
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Subject: Re: The A4000 little-review
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:33:22 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <david.031p@ariane.cam.org>, david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel) writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.152549.1342@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
> 
>> NO FLICKER FIXER!!!!!
> 
>    Nope. No flickerfixer. And to be flickerfixed, a program must REQUEST a
> valid flickerfixed display mode, or be promoted to a flickerfixed screen type.

	An unfortunate but neccessary break with the A3000 IMHO.  Please 
	don't flame ( yeah right ) but the amber deiterlacer chip seems to 
	be a dead end in the Amiga's evolution.  The old software that 
	doesn't know how to ask the hardware for it's capabilities will 
	not benefit from the new  AGA modes.
> 
>    Games, demos, or anything that open non-standard (and even some program
> that open standard) screens will be in 15khz (ie. ugly scanlines in 200, and
> ugly interlaced display in 400).
> 
>> WHY take it out???? yet another cost cut??  Please someone tell me that Dave
>> here is wrong....please...please....

	No it is not wrong.  Sorry.  The amber chip is not neccessary in 
	the A4000 ( for the right software at least ).
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