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From: omni@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Omniscient fool)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Bravo to Mr. David on #401 of the Hulk!
Date: 23 Nov 1992 00:53:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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In <1ejfgpINN27o@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:

>	I'm suprised that you didn't mention that PAD may have brought back
>one of the "never to come back from the dead" characters.
>SPOILERS

>	Bucky.  At least that's what I thought the whole line from Aggy
>about having amazing adventures during WWII.  It could just be a wink to 
>fans, though.

That's just exactly what I thought.  He said "The last time [he pretended
to be a mortal] was during World War II, I had some marvelous
adventures... did some exciting things. [...] Then, in the waning days
of the war, I faked my death and returned here."

And he sure *looks* like Bucky.  Why not?  Personally, I think it would
be great if it's never confirmed, but a few winks are put in here and there.
Perhaps an odd reaction should Banner mention Capt. America, or Aggy
saying something to Rick Jones about how he knows how it feels to be 
a sidekick.  Maybe even a crossover with the original Human Torch being
used in Avenger's West Coast.

And Bucky really being immortal sure explains how the kid managed to
live through most of WWII without the benifit of any powers or even so much
as a gun.

Why should anybody at Marvel be left dead?  It's time to give Bucky
his shot at life.  :)

-- 
Craig Jackson      ---      Omniscient fool      ---      omni@ucscb.ucsc.edu
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: I'm not buying Superman #75!
Date: 19 Nov 1992 03:46:48 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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I'm not.   Not even the newsstand version.
		--MikE
 
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Heckler #5
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:03:04 GMT

It works.  For some odd reason which I completely fail to understand,
it works.  The Heckler is a sendup of comic book cliches, in a very
long -- and generally undistinguished -- tradition of such sendups.
Somehow, though, the combination of silliness, the unexpected, good
scripting and offbeat artwork succeeds.

	"...into Delta City they ride, the Four Horsemen of
	 the Apocalypse!...
	 Wow, that'd sure make a great story, wouldn't it? 
	 Boy, we'll sure have to do that someday..."

Yes, in this issue we have the coming of the Four Mopeds of the
Apocalypse -- a concept whose like we've seen many times in recent
years.  I think it's the fact that the parody never descends to
*self* parody (as, "What The?" does, for instance) that makes it
worth reading.

	"N-E-T-H-E-R G-O-D-S!  Nether Gods they are the best!..."

Mary Bierbaum's hand may be detected in the naming of the Nether God
(they took the term too literally) that *does* appear:  It's the
name she wanted (not inappropriately) to give Laurel Gand.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   The inability of snakes to count is actually a refusal, on their part,
    to appreciate the Cardinal Number system. -- "Actual Facts"
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Casting and X-Men movie
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:17:28 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Nov13.163635.27849@urbana.mcd.mot.com> asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto) writes:
>I always thought that Sean Connery would make a good Victor Von Doom. At least,
>I always imagined Doom's voice to sound like Connery's

Obscure Trivia Lad wishes to point out that, according to John Byrne
(in an issue of Fantastic Four, back when that title was worth reading),
Doom sounds more like Arnold Schwartzeneggerd than Sean Connery.
(Actually, this is more a reference to Doom's accent, but it still
wouldn't make him sound like Connery).

Obscure Trivia Lad, like Flipper, is made of liquid metal (hasn't
seen the end of Cosmic Conspiracy yet).

-- 
Brian Perler			bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu
"I wanna decide who lives and who dies"
	-Crow T. Robot, "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians," MST3K
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:22:33 -0500 
From: "James D. Zelenka" <jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: How was ROBIN 3000?

Hmmm, Robin 3000 in a nutshell:

Don't bother. It was pretty much the worst of the elseworlds stuff so
far. The writing was more on the level of the current "Superman" debacle
than Holy Terror or Gotham by Gaslight. The art was pretty bad, too. All
in all, it would still have been a waste of money at $1. Teach me to
pick up something from DC without flipping through it first- but the
other Elseworlds stuff has been pretty good (not great, but good
enough), so I just grabbed it. Big mistake, and one that I won't repeat
for the rest of the miniseries.

Jim Zelenka
jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
From: aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Question re "Batman:Holy Terror"
Date: 22 Nov 1992 23:59:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I missed picking up this graphic novel from a while back (the
one with Batman opposing some sort of religious tyranny) even
though it was written by Alan Brennert who years ago produced
some of my all-time favorite Batman stories (mostly in BRAVE
& BOLD).  How was the book?  Should I make a special effort
to get hold of it?

The Old Comic Curmudgeon

-- 
Bill Henley, Assistant Sysop, Cleveland Free-Net Science Fiction
& Fantasy SIG (aa396)
From: akhale@pollux.usc.edu (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hellblazer #61 (spoilers)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:28:25 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Personally, I was disappointed. John pulling out some obscure ritual to 
shield Ellie was too much like Richards whipping up some obscure framistat
to defeat a villain. The only thing that prevented the story from being a
complete looser for me was the characterization of Ellie and the fact that
John is setting some plan in motion to beat the devil. 

Abhijit



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From: hlow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Handel Low)
Subject: Sorry!!
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:26:34 EST


This sucks!  Something terribly confusing has happened to me
and my last three articles didn't make it...well, I'll try
again some other time.


handel

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER 2099)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Olsen Must Die
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:22:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.185838.19192@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff) writes:
>Was anyone else very upset at Jimmy? Lat panel (the neat fold out one): Kal is 
>dead, Lois screaming in tears, and Jimmy, he's getting a picture of her 
>anguish.  Not even an emotional moment. Gods, I hope I have better "pals".
>
That was probably the one thing in the book done well.  Jimmy is a journalist.
He's trained to be detached to cover the news, regardless of who is envolved. A
journalist's job is to allow everyone access to what is happening.  It was nice
to see at least one person doing their job right. 

---SCAVENGER, Superman 75---plttttttt!
-- 
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    your .net on!                               |      (Internet/Usenet)
You don't have to be crazy to be in the LNH,    |  "Oh Bite Me!  It's fun"
    But it helps!!!                             |         -Crow T. Robot (MST3K)
From: kens@css.itd.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Content v Form
Date: 20 Nov 1992 22:59:12 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
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Originator: news@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

The recent LNH debate brings up a valid question, which I'd like to
address outside the confines of a policy flame war; namely, is
"comics" defined by content or by form?

While the definition suggests that the form defines it, and on rac and
racm we always scream when cartoon and movie discussions come up, we also
spend time discussing all sorts of non-form specific things like
movie and tv adaptations characters in general, and super-hero physics and
the like.  By far, most racm traffic is more pertinent to content than
form.  (And most of the traffic that isn't based on content is creator
oriented).

Stay with me: I'm thinking this through as I write, and I see that last
paragraph isn't quite clear.  What I mean is that most discussion could
easily be abstracted from the form.  If "Hulk" were a monthly TV show,
we'd see mostly the same discussion.  The elements talked about in rac
most are *not* comics specific, but are rather merely featured *in*
comics.  Plot.  Characters.  History of same.  Speculation on same.  When
people suggest a new topic, it usually is a title or character, rather
than a technique, a theme, a particular piece of art.  As I said,
creator-talk seem to be the major exception to this rule (and there are
others).

The upshot of this is that racm is (mostly) a group about characters and
storylines that happen to appear in comics, which is why it makes sense
that it should draw LNH and B:TAS threads, even though those things *aren't*
comics.  Which is also why a lot of alternative comics talk gets muffled
in racm-- there often isn't an easy hook like plot speculation to carry a
discussion of any length.  (What could I say about "Ed the Happy Clown"
that would compare to the Prodigal discussion?)  If I had my druthers,
racm would have a lot more about art and storytelling in it than it does,
but it's hard to start a thread about what makes good art and good comics.
It's a subtler topic, and it's audience smaller.  I think racm is getting
more diverse, however, and that makes me happy.

The upshot of all of this is that, while I personally despise them, LNH
stories really do belong in racm.  They fit with the way most racm address
comics-- by subject matter.


ObNon-MetaComment:
In the meantime, does anyone else think that, while Gregory was hilarious,
it's true genius lies in its manipulation of comic -book and -strip
conventions of storytelling?  And without getting in your face about it,
to boot!  (Unlike, say, his earlier "Cartoon Man")
-- 
Ken Small    kens@umich.edu
"I think Superman should go on the Larry King show and announce
that he would come back to life if people in all 50 states wanted
him to."  --Dave Barry
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Peter Parker's Folks: Dead.... or Alive?  (Oh Hell, this is Marvel...)
Keywords: spiderman
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:51:46 GMT

Avoid if you want to know spoilers about future Spider-Man arcs (maybe):


I was wandering though the mire of drek announced in the Comic Shop Buyers
Guide last week, and noticed that a new Venom mini-series would be motivated
by the discovery by Venom that "Peter Parker's parents are alive".

Since I haven't paid attention to a mainstream Marvel title (with the
exception of HULK) for several years, I was wondering: have they brought
Parker's parents back to life (so to speak) recently, or is this An
Important Upcoming Event?

[And do they look *just* *like* Steve Allen and his wife?]

                           "One should forgive one's enemies, but not before
                            they are hanged."
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From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The New Frontier
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:58:09 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
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In-reply-to: hlow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Handel Low)

I don't know about anyone else, but whenever I see this title, I
immediately here a jazz-influenced synthesizer, a soft back-beat, the
voice of Donald Fagen, and see an image in my head of a tall blond who
bears a resemblance to Tuesday Weld dancing in a bomb shelter with a
short dude in horn-rims.  Don't ask me why.
-- 
    Doug Moran        | A worldwide shortage of #2 pencils has left many tech
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 {...}!hal.com!dougm  | forcing them to pay attention or end the meeting by
 HaL Computer Systems | flinging live poisonous insects at the other attendees.
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: THE Image Scorecard
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:37:38 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Jed Bowtell (jed@matilda.vut.edu.au) wrote:
: Youngblood - The art in this title is typical Liefeld with
: lots of extra muscles added in, with hundreds of lines
: on faces and of course Liefeldesque proportion. 

Isn't it great!?

:(correct me if I'm wrong Rob but
: isn't it supposed to be `license' NOT `lisence')

Depends on whether you're British or not...

: I'm only getting it because I like to get all of a limited
: series if I get the first issue.

So you're giving him money to keep making stuff you don't like?

: Cyberforce - I like the art and I wont comment on the
: colouring. 

Why not? The colors are amazing!

: This is a slicker Silvestri than we saw in his
: work on Uncanny X-Men and Wolverine. 

That's true. I think a lot of that is the better paper,
better ink, and better colors though. Wolverine #50 was
pretty slick...

:I wish he had taken
: Dan Green (HIS inker) over to Image. Maybe Dan didn't
: want to go. 

Maybe loosing Green was the best thing he could have done.
Think about it...

: `Velocity, I think you're pretty'. 

What's so terrible about this sentence? What do you expect
a robot mimmicing a little kid to say? 

: Brigade - I got this by accident (I get my comics mail
: order) and I hate it. It is junk. The colouring makes
: the characters look sickly. The pencils are Liefeldesque
: as are the characters. Especially that one that looks
: like Cable (let go Rob). The characterisation is very
: sad and I hate white covers with no background. I wont
: even get the rest of the limited series and I am
: thinking about burning it. It is just a blemish on my
: comic collection.

I saw WILDCATS #2 with a white cover on a newsstand. Sad, huh?
Brigate has some great action, though, and a lot better
depiction of it than Rob. Whoever is drawing it has a firm
grasp of the Marvel style of action drawing.

The colors are wonderful, like all the other Images.

: I'm looking forward to Wetworks because Portacio is the
: most talented artists of the Image crew (just look at the
: issues of X-Factor that he did). 

Nah, Silvestri's the most talented. But WetWorks should be
great, if it is ever released.

Scott
From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: He's Dead...Wrapped In Plastic
Date: 18 Nov 1992 17:54:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
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Possible spoilers...




So after a story that is stretched over six issues (including JLA #69),
Superman dies in a rushed issue!  The whole book contains only splash
pages, which hurts the story-telling.  In fact, he's not even officially
pronounced dead until JLA #70 (which is a tie-in issue).

Anyway...  The story I bought it at had sold over 200 issues in an hour,
even with limited numbers allowed per person...

-- 
===============Joel Tscherne:  ac985@cleveland.freenet.edu===============
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman Revival Methods
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:26:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:31:04 GMT, tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) said:

>tara> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

>>>     4) He's really dead, but someone can make a clone.
>>>     Counter-argument: aren't they canceling LSH for just this sort
>>>     of silline ss?

>>lsmith> Maybe they just save his brain. (It's only resting at the
>>lsmith> moment.) Superbrain!  It has a ring to it. Maybe stick it
>>into lsmith> one of Cliff Steele's old bodies, let Grant Morrison
>>write the lsmith> title for awhile.

>>But how are they going to get his brain out? Revive DD and have him
>>rip his head off :)

>tara> Or maybe they can just do to CLark what Luthor did to himself.
>tara> IE: CLone a new body, and put the saved (you do all remember
>tara> "They Saved Luthor's Brain!) brain in it?

>But they still have to get the brain out right? Well Supes is still
>nigh unvulnerable even when dead, so how can they cut it out? At least
>he still exibited unvulnerablity in Holy Terror, but that WAS an Else
>Worlds book.

Well, even dead he's still vulnerable to MAGIC.  Just ask Zatanna nicely or
something.

LJC
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From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Subject: Re: Get rid of the Legion of Net Heroes.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:52:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.204724.21469@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER 2099) writes:
>
>To begin with I would like to state for the record that I WANT THE LNH OFF OF
>RACM!  I would like for us to be able to confine most of our activities (other
>than FAQS and announcements) to the alt.group.  
>
>Also for the record, WE CAN BE IN RACM! The baseball stories in a music group
>analogy was stupid. 

	I made that comment and I don't think it was stupid.  I was responding
to somebody who asked the question:  "How can anything be off-topic in a misc
group?"  Plenty of things can be off topic in a .misc group.  I gave such
extreme examples to illuminate a less extreme example--  namely I don't think
LNH stuff really belongs in the comics hierarchy at all.  It is not, IMHO, 
about comics.

> Our stories are comic related, thus they can very well be
>in a comic miscellaneous news.group.

	I disagree with this.  LNH stories are "superhero" related, and 
"comics" and "superheroes" are not one and the same.  If there were a flood
of postings here about superhero role-playing-games like Champions or 
Villains and Vigilantes, it would be, I think most people would agree,
highly inappropriate.  And if people wanted to post stories about what 
was going on in their superhero RPG campaigns in large numbers, that too 
would be considered off-topic.  Yes, superheroes did originate in comic books,
and much of the rhetoric and style of LNH stories is derived from the rhetoric
and style of comic books--  but they're not in any shape or form _about_
comics.
	That's why I proposed the creation of an LNH fiction newsgroup, rather
than a comics.lnh newsgroup as a posible solution to this problem.  I just 
don't think these stories belong in the comics hierarchy

	Now, don't get me wrong.  I don't have any personal hatred of LNH, or
the people who post LNH stuff, and I certainly won't lose any sleep if it
keeps appearing in r.a.c.m.  In fact, I think it's a quite fun and light-
hearted endeavor.  But, I hasten to add, I just don't really think it is
about comics.  It's not that I'm unsympathetic to your plight (i.e. the
non-recognition of many sys-ops of your alt group is a damn shame), and I
appreciate your desire to make sure that your stories are availabe to all
who are interested in them, but I still don't think that they really belong 
in rec.arts.comics.misc.

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>




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From: appel@soda.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman and Death
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:30:00 GMT
Organization: CSUA
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In-reply-to: rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk's message of 20 Nov 92 15:29:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.152931.3176@cs.nott.ac.uk> rji@trellis.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
>I haven't read Superman #75, but does Death come to collect Supes?
>Also, in the picture of the funeral posed to a.b.p.m I'm sure I
>see Dream in the crowd. Personally I think this is a bit out of
>character, but do any other Endless attend?

No, she didn't.  Apparently, Neil Gaiman was asked if Death could be
used, to collect Superman.  So, he asked "Well, is he really dead?"
And the reply wass the typically evasive one about not having decided
yet, or some such.  So, Neil said if he wasn't really dead, it wasn't
appropriate.

Shannon
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From: dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi)
Subject: Marshal Law (was Re: "Vaporware" Comics)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:49:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.151438.4135@bnr.ca> toolsrus@bcarh837.bnr.ca (Rev Willard the Wombat) writes:
>
>Whatever happened to the rest of MARSHAL LAW: THE HATEFUL DEAD.

	It was published by Dark Horse in a Marshal Law one-shot,
subtitled "Super Babylon", if I remember correctly.


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