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From: Maria@rhea.cs.bonn.edu (Maria Margarida Pinheiro de Castro Neves)
Subject: Queen Kristina sizes and positions
Followup-To: rec.arts.bodyart
Summary: vertical or horizontal?
Keywords: QK, size, position
Reply-To: Maria@rhea.cs.bonn.edu
Organization: Curious, aren't we?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:44:58 GMT
Expires: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:00:00 GMT


  Hi you all,

  I would like to hear some opinions from women who have a 
Queen Kristina (clit. hood piercing).

  I've got some questions as I want to replace a (horizontal) QK that
isn't placed too well by another one and wondering if I should get
a vertical one or another horizontal one.
  What is the difference (in the feeling) between the vertical
and the horizontal one? Did someone have any problems with one
of them? Is it difficult to get used to the vertical one?
  Other questions I have are about the size of the ring. Which is the
ideal size for a QK ring (ie. which diameter in relation to the length
of the ring under the skin)? Does the size have much to do with the
increasing of sensitivity?

Maria

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From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Subject:  Re: blackwork...
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:37:21 GMT

Jeff Dauber (dauber@sgi.com) sez:
[good description of tattoo needles deleted]
>Outline needle:  A cluster of X needles which come to one point.  These vary
>from 3 to 7 needles and are usually odd numbers (for no apparant reason).

Odd numbers of needles are used because it's easier to bundle odd numbers of
objects. An oddly numbered bundle of needles puts more of the needles' surface
area in contact with each other, which makes the bundle more snug and more
stable. This is fairly easy to check experimentally with a handfull of
pencils. (This has all been mathematically proven (in a field of spatial
relations whose name I can't remember), and is usually presented as a question
of how many spherical objects can be packed into a specific area.)

Dan, an odd bundle of factoids himself
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: Noses@rhea.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Achim Patzner)
Subject: Re: funny tattoos
Followup-To: rec.arts.bodyart
Reply-To: Noses@rhea.informatik.uni-bonn.de
Organization: No, we're not organized yet
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:08:31 GMT

What about that punk (or what would you call it???) on ManWoman's chest?
I don't know what he did to grow that hair; it's rather looking like
some misplaced patch of trimmed pubic hair but it is looking quite good...

Achim

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From: rich@island.COM (Rich Fanning)
Subject: Re: I'm deflowered
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:28:35 GMT

ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:

>I don't mean to be rude, but what's the appeal in getting something
>as mundane as an ear piercing done in a ritual?

If it doesn't appeal to you, it's hard to explain.

>For me, ear piercings are just decoration

That explains something.  To you, it's decoration.  To other people, it
marks a rite of passage.  Some people attach other kinds of significance to
their piercings.  The fact that the location might be in a "mundane" place
like the ear is largely irrelevant.

>Is it that the part of a person that responds to ritual things
>is dead in me, or am I just clueless?

I don't know.  Why don't you plan to attend a ritual and see what it does
for you to be with someone else getting pierced? I have attended three or
four piercing rituals.  I was not pierced in any of them.  (I have two
ear-holes and two tit-holes.)

I found the rituals to be interesting, fun, intense, exciting, invigorating,
and uplifting.  Each person getting pierced had a different experience,
I'm sure.  I felt privileged these people were willing to share their
experiences with me.  I'm sure that, for some people, this was a very intense
experience, while for others, it was fairly mundane.  There's a lot of
variation.


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From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Tattoos in Austin
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:24:01 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA



Dave Lum moved away from Austin last week, & his store has
been taken over by two guys from San Antonio named Chris &
Shawn.  Anybody heard of these guys? (sorry, I don't know their
last names yet).


Gee, if they're not any good, I'll have to go back to SF for
my next two.  Boy, wouldn't that suck?




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From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: So what's wrong with rituals?
Date: 1 Sep 1992 21:23:05 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
Reply-To: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com

In article <8244.17643@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman) writes:
>I found a few items in the original post to be intriguing.
>One was the idea that "yuppie scum" and "computer geeks" are
>into rituals.

	Yeah, reminded me of something my little brother (Who is a 
	UC Berkeley more-radical-than-thou type) said;

	"Well, MOST people on the computer networks are EXTEREMLY
	conservative". 


	Uh... Gee.... 

	
	...Interesting factoid, considering most of the radical
	faeries, SMers, and generally crazy people I know are also
	netfolk...


		=B^)


	-Karl


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From: zyzzy@milton.u.washington.edu (Zyzzy Galore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: weird dream
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:21:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

"Trespassers W" on a private part reminds me of what I dreamt last night:

My mom tattooed a flower (somewhat like a thin, upside-down lily) 
on my pubis. I was at some strange cafe and I had my pants off trying to
find it. Some of the hair had grown back, but I did find it, and it looked
great!   I couldn't believe that my mom did such a good job...

There were also weird hanging jewels (pearls, crosses) that had been 
sewn into my skin around the area.

Sleep is great!



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From: yossie@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Joseph Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: I'm deflowered
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:56:07 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

Well, I was there too (hi Sharon! :-)  The ritual aspect is very important
and powerful.  Mostly cause it brought back my own feelings.  A long time
ago I got my ear pierced.  For me this was a monumental step, very important
in shaping who and what I am today.  Never mind that later I got 11 more
piercings (most of them in places even my mom hasn't seen in a long time :-)
To top this, for the longest time after piercing my nipples (first "primitive"
piercing) I thought ear piercing was silly and easy.  Now I realize that the
first piercing exprience, WHEREVER it may be, is a very special thing.  Being
there with Sharon allowed me to explore some of my own memories of that first
one.  WOW!

Btw, with regard to the ritual aspect.  If you haven't been in one you couldn't
possibly know how intense and ecstatic an experience the whole affair can
be.  In the 11 people who got pierced there was one thing in common - as the
needle went through, and especially when I was touching their body, there was
a flash of invisible light (figure that one out! :-) and a major rush for me.
Moreso than when I was myself pierced.  I suspect this is in part due to my
enhanced sensitivity to others since figuring out what is so much fun about
topping people (getting to feel what they feel without any of the pain and
discomfort :-)

So, a leason I learned and I guess is someone else's to learn - judge people
by their own standards and respect them for their choices.  Sharon found
the experience to be a special one, accept that and rejoice with her! :-)

- Yossie
From: rfa@Turing.ORG (Robert F. Alexander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: TaT Convention
Date: 29 Aug 92 04:04:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

If you are not in Charlottesville Virginia this week-end;
you are missing a world class event.

Located at the Days Inn on US 29 

MID EASTERN TATOO CONVENTION 1992

Artists from all over the country and world
Great Music
Great entertainment
Beautiful Ink on Beautiful people.
Lectures on Dermatology and Ink
Lectures on Removals (who'd want to) :)
Stories by Grumpy Bear
Fashion Shows
Tatoo Competition

It will be going until 3:00 pm on Sunday the 30th. So hop in
the car, jump on a plane, hijack your granny and get your
ass on over here. You'll be glad you did.

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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Surgeons, M.D.s and piercings.
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:53:08 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <laf44uINN3i@male.EBay.Sun.COM> barb@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Barbara MacRae) writes:

>> If I'm not mistaken the option of having a piercing done by a 
>>doctor was suggested by someone in the REsearch book _Modern Primitives_. 
>
>Sorry, but Modern Primitives is far from a piercing handbook.
>The opinions stated in there have no automatic validity 
>simply by virtue of being printed in a REsearch publication.

To add to this, Modern Primitives is the bubblegum guide to piercing
and tattooing.  There is no serious content in there for anyone but a
beginner.



FWA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: I'm deflowered
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:06:39 GMT


Well, thanks everyone for answering (or not) my questions.  It sounds
like the ritual thing is for people who think that the piercing(s)
they're getting is a big deal, and will be an important milestone
in their lives (4 or 5 responses mentioned something like that).
To me, it's not.  I used to think that if I got my ear pierced I'd
have to act differently; by the time I got around to doing it, I
no longer felt that way.  When I got my nipple done, I was more
concerned whether it was going to annoy me during day-to-day activity.

It also sounds like you have to be the sort of person who appreciates
new-age stuff (now, don't everyone's knees jerk, please).  I'm just
not attuned to life that way, which is why I don't understand the
appeal to that sort of thing, even after having been exposed to some
of it.  Nothing wrong with it, it just isn't me.

Finally, the differing responses made it clear (if it wasn't already)
that people get piercings for wildly different reasons.  Some for
the rite-of-passage aspect, some because it's trendy, or it looks
cool, or they like the pain or the endorphins, or reasons that
can't be generalized (for instance, Oleg's reason is that he can get
Karen Hurt, the wonderful piercer at tha SF Gauntlet, to touch him
some more. :-)

In article <3551@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
>In article <9208280309.AA25154@moeng2.morgan.edu> glenn@moeng2.morgan.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.) writes:
>>I may decide one day to go down to the shopping mall and get
>>my ears pierced.  No fancy ritual...
>
>Going down to the mall and getting punched *is* a ritual.  And
>what's more, it a ritual which is actually part of our culture...

Well, it's part of the culture for pre-teen girls.

I have to agree with Sharon, getting punched in a mall IS sort of cold.


>Yeah, but don't accept someone else's definition of what a 
>"ritual setting" is.  My second ear pierce I got in this 
>restaurant/bar in New Orleans where they give you a shot
>of Jaegermeister, a shot of Schnapps, and a gigantic glass
>of champagne (with a straw).  You down the shots, and while
>you're sucking on the champage, they pierce your ear.
>Felt like a ritual to me, it just wasn't dressed up in a 
>lot of neo-primitive foofoo.

Now that's the sort of ritual I can relate too!
Guess I'm just low-life redneck biker scum at heart. :-)




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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: blackwork...
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:46:24 GMT

In article <1613@anagld.analytics.com> bsspeie@anagld.analytics.com (Brad S. Speierman) writes:
>I have a large all black tattoo that covers the entire side of my right
>calf that is 4 years old and although it's not as deep black as when
>they finished it up it's still definatly black.  There is absolutly no
>blue to it. 

When I say "blue black" I mean the finished black color... It has a bluish
hue that comes from having skin over the black pigment...

>Also all the parts that are dark black are all even.  I
>don't know if the fact that the entire tat was done single line is the
>reason that it's stayed so dark or not.  If it is then it was worth the
>extra few hours that I put in the chair to get it all done single line
>instead of with a shader.

I find it hard to believe that your entire blackwork piece was filled with
a single needle... It might have been done with an outliner.  However,
if you had the entire side of your calf filled in a single needle, it would
have taken significantly longer than "a few extra hours".  Realize that most
tattoo outlines are done with a five point needle.



FWA
From: mwise@acs.bu.edu (Matthew Wise)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Sex and stuff
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:33:35 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

Sounds to me like you want an ampallang.....
                                                   
 - Designed to promote pleasure in female sexual partners.    

 - You can pee standing up.
                                                
 - Upgradeable.  You can always make the jewelry larger.
                                                
There are problems of course...
                                                             
 - It really hurts alot.

 - Healing takes a long time...months of abstainance.

 - Your partner may find it uncomfortable.

Good luck!
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From: lelle@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jessica Helene Andersson)
Subject: Re: piercings
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:36:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.114526.620@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> ph9jba@nestor.uucp (82222-anglum) writes:
>Is there some way of obtaining labial piercings in Northern New Jersey
>without treking down to the Gauntlet in NYC?  Can it be done by an
>accupuncturist or in a tattoo parlor. 

	You could trek UP to Boston... :)   And I really doubt any
tattooist would pierce you, and I don't think I would want to get
pierced by anyone whom 1) wasn't a professional piercer, or 2) I
didn't trust a whole lot.  If you want to know more, email me directly
(I have a labial piercing).

					Helene
From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: piercings
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 23:23:53 EDT
Organization: Hurts rent-a-dungeon, Inc.

ph9jba@nestor.uucp (82222-anglum) writes:

> Is there some way of obtaining labial piercings in Northern New Jersey
> without treking down to the Gauntlet in NYC?  Can it be done by an accupunctu
> 
> J.

Well, anybody with a sharp object can do piercings.. But considering that 
you're looking for something that you can wear for a long time, and in a 
rather sensitive area of the body... consider taking a drive to find 
someone who's had some experience.
From: dfpedro@nv2 (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: Rumor or reality?
Date: 26 Aug 92 07:22:33 GMT
Organization: I don't speak for them anyway.
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buglady@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Aliza R. Panitz) writes:
: In article <16pfloINNo2a@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes:
: 
: >	But see, that's a GOOD thing. 
: >
: >	It quickly kills of the people who are too stupid to get
: >	treatment for an infection. Evolution at work, so to speak.
: >
: >
: >		-Karl
: 
: Does that mean that Jim Henson dying of pneumonia because he wanted to
: wait until Monday to see a doctor for his flu was also evolution in
: action?

I liked Jim Henson.  He has a dream and he lived it.  He was a
kind and gentle man.  He loved children.  I clearly remember his
apprarances on the Sullivan show when the muppets were not yet
a household word.

But mother nature (evolution) is not kind and we are sometimes,
indeed, stoopid.  And the price *is* high.  Nature does not care
how famous, talented, beautiful, or kind you are.  It only acts
on your ability to survive.

Whild Karl's sentiment was not warm and fuzzy, it is something
we, who live in a too soft world -- protected from the too many
dangers, should never forget.

The price comes dear, as Jim Hensons family can attest.

: Does that mean that waiting two days to see a health plan doctor
: instead of paying $200 to go to an emergency room for what seems to 
: be a simple problem is suicidal? 

It can be.  Unfair?  Fairness is a creation of our minds.  Cruel
words?  Our creation also.

: I'm not a doctor.  I don't even play one on the Net.  Some things can
: go wrong that a normal person, using normal intelligence, won't
: recognize.  That's why doctors go to school...  

nature doesn't care about normal intellegence.  It allows the 
smartest, strongest, and most resilient to survive.  Occassionaly
nature reminds us, and rarely is it an easy lesson.

: Sorry, Karl, whoever you are, but you've just made a jerk out of
: yourself in front of thousands of people.

I don't think he's a jerk, and I am not insensitive by any means.

I understand your feelings, whether you believe it or not, but
I do not see the insult in Karls words.



     Donn Pedro ....................................dfpedro@uswnvg.com

		     There are no ordinary moments.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene)
Subject: Re: Permanence
Organization: Hell Hole, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:15:42 GMT

In article <sB6XPB2w165w@spud.kludge.com> centaur@spud.kludge.com (Victor Scott Rose) writes:
>wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene) writes:
>> These clowns *aren't* getting original tattoos.  I see the
>> same variations on a theme over and over, like the celtic
>> armbands.  A lot of tattoo artists are making their bacon
>
>Well, I've been wanting a Celtic style armband (or bracelet, or ring, or 
>SOMETHING) for quite awhile....
>Not cause I go to the bars and wanna fit in (I don't do bars)
>Not cause all my friends got 'em (I don't think any of 'em do...)  
>(Though that is part of the reason I got my tongue pierced... that and it 
>felt so GOOD when getting kissed by one, I wanted to return the favor!! 
>;)
>I want a Celtic style armband because I like the style. For ME! (and I 
>don't care if they ARE popular! :)

The subject line reads "Permanence," thus denoting the point
I made that content isn't necessarily associated with longevity.
I wasn't saying that a certain style of tattoo was so common
as to be lame, but that certain people were treating 'em as
notches in their thrash culture belt.  For all that an armband
will have great psychic resonance for you, they are a fad
currently, as are tattoos in general.  A lot of Hula-Hoops ended
up in the garbage; a lot of tattoos will end up under dermatologists
lasers.  That's neither here nor there with regard to your
tattoos or mine.

Maybe there was some uppity in my broadside, but I've spent
much of the last year in thrash dives due to the vicissitudes
of research and I'm really tired of the great wad of mindless
apes into the scene to be into the scene.  I've seen a lot of
figurative butt-sniffing of tattoos that was totally devoid of
totemic meaning.

But if someone could convince me that such-and-such celtic
armband was affected by Clan Campbell as a sign of their
memorable bravery at the Glencoe Massacre, I'd probably get
one.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: osiris@athena.mit.edu
Subject: Trendy s__t...argh.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:55:58 GMT

I hate stupid people.

Here's the situation.  I was at a local record store when I heard the
clerk talking to a friend of mine.  My friend said that she knew
someone who had gotten thier navel pierced when the clerk says
"wow...that's so dumb.  No one can see it.  What is the point of
getting pierced if it isn't a fashion statement.  I mean ears and nose
are nothing but fashion."looks to me"RIGHT??!"  So I went on to
explain that I got my nose pierced more for the experience of the
pierce, and not at all to make a fashion statement.  He didn't
understand (i guess he thiinks that all people are a fake as he is).

So my question is--is this a common reaction, or only among the
poseurs and other "alternative acting" people (distinguishable from
the real progressive movement with which I identify politically)

So, should I take it out? ;-)

-marcel



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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Subject: Re: blackwork...
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: rec.arts.bodyart
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:14:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.160133.53065@dante.uucp> mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones) writes:

>Yeah, my oldest one is about three years old now and is still relatively
>black.  Sure, there are spots which are lighter and spots which are
>darker, but Freddy is pretty damn even for the most part.

Uh, Mason.... It is not that difficult to get blackwork the size of yours
to be even in color...  When you start getting into the large expanses of
black, the colors get more uneven....


Jeff
-FWA