HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Quayle on Values:  Where he stands and his background
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:00:34 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: River Parishes Programming, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Aug12.215238.21797@watson.ibm.com> johniac@hwperform.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>No.  When you say that a woman who has an abortion is 2 to 3 times as
>likely to have a miscarriage, you are making two misrepresentations. 
>The first is that this doesn't apply to women who have had exactly one
>abortion, and the second is that you exaggerate the risk by including
>things that aren't even miscarriages in the 2 to 3 times figure. 
>You're always harping about women making informed choices and then you
>resort to these false scare tactics.

I'm not misrepresenting anything.  Is a miscarriage a miscarriage
or not?  Is a prematurely born baby born prematurely or not?

>The great thing about saving all of my (and your) posts is that I
>often catch you lying.  I said that Planned Parenthood didn't perform
>abortions in TEXAS, and I was quickly corrected by Daryl.  That's the
>great thing about Daryl--he's less interested in "winning" and more
>interested in exchanging information.  I never claimed (or even
>believed) that PP doesn't perform abortions anywhere.

But you sure as hell were quick to claim that Houston must be some
lone fluke.  And now that you know that Planned Parenthood has clinics
in Dallas, Waco =and= Houston that perform abortions, have you come
clean?  No.

"Well, I never claimed ..."

>I interrupt your rhetoric to provide factual information that
>contradicts you, and all you can do is build a straw horse and knock
>it down.  Typical.

Nah.  You stomped your feet pretty hard when Daryl corrected you about
the Fannin clinic, and you're still stomping your feet now that I
took the time to find out that PP does abortions in Dallas and Waco as
well.  It isn't my straw horse.  It's YOUR agenda and your AGENDA
demands that you pretend Planned Parenthood is a bunch of nice old
farts doing Pap smears and handing out birth control pills.  The image
of Planned Parenthood workers wielding coat hangers isn't one you
wish to accept.
-- 
John F. Haugh II                   | Life's Little Instruction Book:
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151            | "#138.  Learn Spanish.  In a few years,
UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh |  more than 35% of all Americans will speak
Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org      |  it as their first language."
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:27:33 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug19.022622.17341@tamsun.tamu.edu> wrr3118@tamsun.tamu.edu (Rick Russell) writes:

>>Not a white one, they're infertile.  You probably eat chickens, too,
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>    WHAT?????

>>though.

>Sigh. I don't know if you've convinced fred j mccall that you are completely
>stupid, but congratulations. You've convinced me.

Well, good.  Perhaps you'll keep quiet then.  Go to a chicken farm or 
something.
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                                                       - D Adams
  - Patrick Taylor
    Ericsson Network Systems
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From: judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Republican Candidates
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:53:03 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Southwest Research Institute, San Antonio, Texas

How can the man who singlehandedly whipped the evil empire into submission,
making the world safe for all, stand there in front of God and everyone and
tell us he can't handle the guys in his own Congress?  


	Judy.
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-choice vs. Pro-Life vs. Anti-Abortion (Re: fetus vs. baby)
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:26:36 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <Milxr*EQ0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>> In article <T51iPB2w164w@keys.lonestar.org>, cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org
>> (Chris Winemiller) writes:
>> 
>> >            ...  Secondarily, the fact that so many people _are_
>> > religious might be evidence that their _is_ something supernatural,
>> > outside of all of us.  ...
>> >
>> 
>> Once upon a time a great many people thought the earth was flat, did that make
>> it flat?

This argument goes both ways, cause there are a lot of people on both sides.
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    "This must be Thursday.  I never could get the hang of Thursdays"
                                                       - D Adams
  - Patrick Taylor
    Ericsson Network Systems
    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                       "Don't let the .se fool you"
    alternately, exuptr@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org
From: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: So Long, and Thanks for all the Fish
Date: 17 Aug 92 04:20:02 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: None

jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

> I've been putting this off for several weeks, in part because my wife
> and I had agreed not to tell anyone outside of the family that she is
> pregnant.
> 
> Well, Jeanette is now about 4 months pregnant.

Congratulations!

...
> As the blessed event comes closer to arriving I'm fairly sure that I
> will have little or no time that I want to spend arguing on USENET.
> So rather than do a half-hearted job of trying to stay up to date on
> what is going on in this group, I'm just going to say bye-bye.

(sigh) You will be sorely missed.  I hope that even your verbal adversaries
on this group can say the same, because of the debates that you have helped
spark.  I hope you'll poke your nose in here now and then, and even fail to
resist the urge to post once in a while.

> In the words of Lou Reed, "It's the beginning of a great adventure."
> I asked God to bless me with children, so I'm going to seize the
> moment and raise me a kid from scratch.

As you trust in God for help, I, too, know He will not forsake you.  He
gives wisdom to all who ask in faith.  Be blessed with your child, John.  My
God has blessed me with my children, and even with all my failures I see
that He has helped us grow in Him.  Truly, love covers a multitude of sins. 
And, more positively, in His love my family grows closer to each other
daily.  May He bless you even more so.

With respect,
Chris

-- 
Chris Winemiller         Internet: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org
                         UUCP    : texsun!letni!keys!cwinemil
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Pro-Choice
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:04:47 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <FDGwr*lQ0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>No, she can't just choose not to support it.  She must provide for the child in
>some manner (e.g. adoption.)  If she refuses to support the child, she can be
>prosecuted just like those people in the news recently who starved their child.

You're still missing the point: After birth, that particular person is no
longer the only individual that can possibly support the child. Your statement
is legal, not biological. She can biologically transfer the care and support
of that child to another person after birth; she cannot before birth. That's
the entire point. In transferring the support of that child to another person,
she is choosing not to support it.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
  "Anything that an F-4 can outturn is not maneuverable." -- Mary Shafer
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Fetal Brainwaves (was: Re: fetus vs. baby)
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Distribution: tx
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:22:12 GMT

In <21370@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>In article <1992Aug13.153352.23794@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>Well, when the initial premise was stupid ("get the choice of the
>>child" (what child?)), one should probably expect stupid responses
>>back.  So I gave him one.  You tell me a way to get the opinion of
>>something that doesn't even have brainwaves yet, much less speak
>>Egnlish or any other language, and I'll be happy to solicit its
>>opinion.  Until then, the original plaint remains stupid.

>The great thing about your postings is that they are usually wrong.

Well, defining 'wrong' as you define 'lie' (anything that net.ghod
Haugh disagrees with), I guess this is something of a compliment.

>This is from "Fetal Growth" p. 226 "1250 Healthcare Questions Women
>Ask"

Who publishes this book, pray tell?  Why do I get the feeling that it
is from a somewhat biased source?

>	"40 days      The baby's brain waves can be detected,
>		      recorded and even read by a doctor."

The figure I've been given (by someone whose words I trust a hell of a
lot more than I will ever trust the words of someone like you) is that
human brain waves appear between the 4th and 5th month.  Tell you
what, though.  I'll ask her to take a look in her Embryology textbook
and make sure that her memory isn't flawed.  THEN I will call you a
liar (again).

>I can't find the other book I wanted which says the same exact
>thing.  I suspect my wife has it with her.  But if you insist on
>repeating this mistruth, I'll go find where she has it.

Gee, you mean if I persist in disagreeing with the Great Ghod Haugh
and the Holey Writ of Haugh's Hit?  Why don't you go peddle your 
's Hit elsewhere; people seem to have figured you out here.



-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Republican Candidates
Date: 20 Aug 1992 23:22:20 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: None

judy@technology.com (Judy McMillin) writes:

> 
> Hey, Jay.  We all think about what Clinton MIGHT do when he gets elected.
> But we all know what Bush has done.  How about he and his co-conspirator
> Reagan creating the infrastructure that allowed the savings and loan mess
> that's costing taxpayers multi billion dollars to fix?

The blame for that mess lies at the feet of those who loosened restrictions
on what S&L institutions could invest in (ie. permitted them to make riskier
investments) but not restricting the Federal guarantees on such loans.  Who
was it?  My understanding is that Congress did that one.  Are you saying it
was some part of the Executive branch that caused those changes?

Chris

-- 
Chris Winemiller         Internet: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org
                         UUCP    : texsun!letni!keys!cwinemil
From: davidc@montagar.lonestar.org (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: HR 4983
Date: 12 Aug 92 08:30:57 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <Zl2ur*TN0@caleb.UUCP>, jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
> In article <1992Aug5.163654.16920@montagar.lonestar.org>, David L. Cathey writes:
> 
>> 	Actually, it isn't.  It depends on where you draw the line.  Anything
>> less that total rejection of capital punishment by a pro-lifer is hypocracy.
> 
> No, you are wrong.  Although, capital punishment is irrelevant to the current
> topic, I'll give you the obvious example.  If the execution of one person will
> save the lives of 1000 persons, then the choice is obvious.

	No I'm not wrong, and it is not irrelevant.  Is human life sacred or
not?  Some but not all?  Capital punishment is a "conveniece" to society that
does not have the time or inclination to deal responsibly with problems
of the offender.

> By the way, the word is hypocrisy.  (For those who don't know, it is a synonym
> for liberal.)

	Excuse my typo...  Then that would make you a liberal then?

> The real hypocrisy is that of the liberals who are constantly talking about the
> need to protect human rights - yet they rabidly support convenience abortions
> where human life is callously terminated.

	You keep using that word: Liberal(s).  Almost like it is supposed to be
an insult.  How odd.  For myself, I consider myself a conservative with liberal
politics.  I don't want to legislate everyone to my personal set of morals,
regardless of how restrictive (or not) they may be.

	And this "conveniece abortions" phrase that is now appearently a new
"politically correct" way of refering to abortions.  Convenience is a remote
control for your TV, not a medical procedure.  Your making it sound like
a lady just happens to wander into a clinic (no reason, just looking...), 
finds out she's pregnant, and hops onto the table on the spot.

>                                                 Jim Pritchett
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From: skywalker@DINO.QCI.BIOCH.BCM.TMC.EDU (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Houston Abortion Clinic potest News
Date: 20 Aug 1992 20:55:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

In article <1992Aug20.183846.29779@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>Just heard that a northwest Houston abortion clinic was "rushed" by the
>anti-abortion group and was met by 3 dozen pro-choice folks.
>
>The abortion clinic director called police and requested EVERYONE to be
>arrested for trespassing. This include both parties. 
>

I was at the Clinic on Fannin, the news we heard is that HPD only took 
the defenders away and the owner was a pro-lifer. Planned Parenthood 
is providing full legal service to the defenders including lawyers.

Score:

Clinics attacked  9, 9 Clinics defended

We're 9-0

Our clinics WILL stay open.
From: kossack@taronga.com (Jordan M. Kossack)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Privacy    (was Re: what the hell is HR 4983
Date: 21 Aug 92 06:01:55 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

In article <1992Aug19.141713.8158@novell.com>,
bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner) writes:
- OK, I'll grant you that you have a means of removing me after you see
- that I'm a threat to your privacy.  But suppose your attention is
- diverted for a while and I have time to poke around.  You can demand
- that I leave and back it up with the police only after I've invaded
- your privacy.

	So ... what's your point?  That is how the US system of justice 
   works.  To wit, we punish (rehabilitate?) people after they commit 
   an actual offense, not because they _might_ commit an offense.  How 
   does the invasion of privacy differ from theft?  Suppose my attention  
   is diverted and a criminal steals my television.  I can demand that 
   he return it and back it up with the police only AFTER he actually 
   steals (or tries to steal) my possessions. 


- don't have a right to privacy. 3)  How have I invaded your property
- rights if I'm an invited guest?

	If you remain on the premises after you've been told to leave, 
   you are trespassing.  This applies even if you were an invited guest 
   in the first place.  By refusing to vacate, you invade my property 
   rights.  Do you think a house guest can stay for, oh, say 20 years?  :-)  


- >	Your question is unclear.  What to do mean?  
- 
- If I saw your future business plans which I can somehow use to my
- advantage you can't sue me for invading your privacy, you have none.
- How would you have prevented this?

	I could have exercised better judgement before trusting you. 

	Besides, if I sue you after the fact, my privacy was still 
   invaded, No?  You asked how I would _prevent_ such invasions of 
   my privacy.  Exacting retribution after the fact is a different 
   situation entirely and doesn't require that ones rights be 
   ennumerated in the US Constitution.  (Speaking of ennumerated 
   rights, if flag burning is protected by the First Amendment, how 
   can nudity be illegal?)

	
- >	Anyway, if there is, in fact, a constitutional right to privacy, 
- >   then certainly it is obvious that any and all gun-registration laws 
- >   are unconstitutional, since such registration would violate the owners' 
- >   right to privacy.  [ ... ]  
- 
- Intersting point which I'll have to think about.
 
	Too bad the Supremes "conveniently" ignore rights, when they 
   find it expedient.  If Sandra Day O'Connor is actually concerned
   about "profound and unnecessary damage to the court's legitimacy"
   perhaps she should rally against legislating from the bench.  Too, 
   perhaps _all_ of the SC Justices should actually read the United
   States Constitution before ruling on so-called Constitutional Law.  

-- 
  kossack@taronga.com  |  "One has a moral responsibility  
  Jordan M Kossack     |      to disobey unjust laws."    
  +1 713 240 2073      |   -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Fetal Brainwaves (was: Re: fetus vs. baby)
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:44:42 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1992Aug18.043625.9742@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:

>In article <1992Aug17.190001.739@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> darylb@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:

[Excellent summary deleted.]

>>As a suggestion, Fred, I'd highly recommend your personally making
>>use of a public library and the treasures within instead of relying
>>on word-of-mouth information for everything.  You could put your
>>own doubts completely to rest if you'd simply go to a public library
>>and look at some encyclopedias or child development texts.

>The suggestion still stands.  

Then I guess mine does, too.  Might I suggest the OEM or one of the
larger world Atlases?

One more time, you must explain to me how believing someone whose
professional training involved learning this sort of thing for that
one thing somehow equates to "for everything".  You also must explain
to me why, given what I've seen of his notes, I should ever believe
John Haugh II in preference to ANYONE about ANYTHING.


-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: root@netmail.austin.ibm.com (Chris Moller)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: HR 4983
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:29:57 GMT
Reply-To: moller@netmail.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: tx
Organization: As little as I can get away with.

In article <1992Aug6.170559.6431@dp7up.com>, xmpcwsh@dp7up.com (Bill Harris) writes:

[...]

|>>                               What is the real hypocracy is the 
|>> justification that Pro-Abortionists use to defend their actions.

Actually, we Pro-CHOICE people don't have any actions to defend, and therefore
no need of any justifications of any sort.  We're not trying to make people have
abortions, we're not trying to stop people from having abortions, we just want
people to be allowed to make their private choices privately.

|>> 
|>> -- 
|>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|>> Bill Harris - MIS				xmpcwsh@dp7up.com
|>> Dr Pepper/The Seven-Up Company			The opinions expressed are my
|>> Dallas, Texas  					own. (emphasis on the period)

-- 
IBM pays absolutely no attention to my	|   "Hell hath no fury like a
opinions, ergo the foregoing cannot	|   bureaucrat scorned."
possibly represent its position.	|     -- Milton Friedman

Christian H. L. Moller
Xref: sparky tx.politics:4335 alt.politics.clinton:2561
From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Newsgroups: tx.politics,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Hitler mentioned, subject canceled.
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.

In article <wa#nn5c.crisp@netcom.com>, crisp@netcom.com (Richard Crisp) writes:
|> Is he pray tell the "third" Reich?
|> -- 
|> Richard Crisp         Cupertino, Ca.         crisp@netcom.com
|> (415) 903-3832 wk  "The Demos have to go!"   (408) 253 4541 fax
|> 
|> "The first thing you have to do is disarm the people. A disarmed
|> public can't fight back" -Adolf Hitler

	Well now that Hitler has been mentioned, this thread will
	degenerate into Hitler threads....better stop it now.
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Consulting @ IBM			Bldg 007, Div 44, Loc 966, Dept 06T
11400 Burnet Rd				Zip 1514, Room 1D-052
Austin, TX 78758-3493			(512) 823-6463
In article <21315@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes: "...I'm completely stupid, .."
In article <21207@rpp386.lonestar.org>, jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes: "I'm probably a fool "
From: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org (Chris Winemiller)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Lottery
Date: 19 Aug 92 03:42:17 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: None

mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:

> When asked my opinion about the governor's race in Texas, my response
> would invariably be, "Given the choices, it's fortunate that Texas has
> one of the weakest Governorships in the nation."

Ha Ha!!  I had a _great_ laugh over that one!!!  (Meaning, I agree with
you!)  Thanks for the light moment.

Chris

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Chris Winemiller         Internet: cwinemil@keys.lonestar.org
                         UUCP    : texsun!letni!keys!cwinemil