From: andrean@cs.utexas.edu (Andre A. Nurwono)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Cheap animation
Date: 13 Dec 1992 13:10:15 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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Keywords: Some Old Sh*t

In article <1g0cu1INNk3b@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> lerouxm@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Markie Mark) writes:
>In article <1992Dec5.071617.10790@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> gavigan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Ryan P. Gavigan) writes:
>
>>Disney knows all about running the same thing over and over and over
>
>Yes, but the Japanese have MASTERED it.  They rehash the same stuff just
>as badly if not worse.  

Disney is ONLY ONE company that only produces ONE type of animation -->
for the 'family' i.e. for kids.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! And you think most Disney classics are ORIGINAL stories ?
Most Disney classics (which are up to movie quality productions) are
based on OLD CHILDREN BED TIME STORIES which has gone on for CENTURIES,
which is not innovation, BTW. And many original stories were butchered
to make a typical Disney 'happy ending' *sniff happy happy joy joy* (blech!)
(sic)

>
>The Japs have really improved their animation techniques but you would
>think they would put a little bit of the budget into hiring a writer for
>their shows.  Most of the animation I've seen from them (The ones that I
>would consider good) are visually astounding but lack even a remotely 
>interesting story.  This can only last for about 5 minutes.  After that
>the movie is just moving pictures with all style, no substance.  
>
HOLY COW ?!?!? YOU DON'T REALLY MEAN THAT DON'T YOU !?!??!?!?
By golly, I always thought it was always the other way around nowadays.
It would seem that you only understand simple stories w/o complex
plots.

>
>>  The difference you fail to see is that american animation
>>is what resides in the doldrums of similiarity, in story and style, while
>>anime delves into every single form of style and format used in film, live-
>>action or otherwise.
>
>It would be a *REAL* stretch to prove this to me.  I see only FOUR
>Anime genres.
>

Yes, It seems it would. The only way is to not stop watching anime,
and try to get around your own preconceived notion of Japanese=Godzilla
thingies. That was in the past. Now is the 90's.

>
>1)  Monsters/Aliens/superhuman/superweapon has come to destroy Tokyo AGAIN!!!
>    examples:
>	Akira, Baoh, MAdox-01
>
Well, at least MARVEL COMICS - TYPE ARE ANIMATED, and THEY'RE NOT JUST FOR
KIDS !! Most marvel categories are Monsters/Aliens/superhuman/superweapon
has come to save the Earth AGAIN!!!!

>
>2)  Girls with Guns/Magic with lots of T and A.
>    examples:
>	Project Ako, Gunbuster, Iczer-1
>

Look at Ako as an equivalent of a TTA ridicule. Whasis Ako as 'girl-with-gun'
?? Hardly qualifies. It has a lot of in-jokes you wouldn't understand
unless you watch more of it.
Gunbuster -- exactly how much of it have you seen ?
BTW, there are LOTS more that fit in this category, but they also fit
in OTHER categories as well. Don't forget The Dirty Pair!

>
>3)  The Shoguns have returned to rule Japan or the world or non-descript 
>     fantasyland.
>    examples:
>	Lodoss War, Fist of the North Star

Lodoss Wars = Shoguns ??? Its more western than you think. Whoever got
the concept of Dungeons & Dragons at the first place ?
I hereby declare all American 'toon producers are dumb Jackasses who can't
see the overwhelming D&D market out there -- Lodoss was an example
of WHAT COULD SELL MORE THAN DISNEY'S MERMAID ETC AND YOU CALL IT 
NON-DESCRIPT ??? Hey, at least its not 'just for kids'. I'm just shocked
to see something like Lodoss NOT COME FROM DUMB-A** AMERICAN COMPANIES!!!
As for Fist of the North Star -- it is as old as your opinion of anime.
Start living in the 90's!

>
>4)  Twisted teenage sex-epic dealing with characters that have unusual
>     sexual identity which works as a catalist for humorous situations.
>    examples:
>	Ramna-1/2, Lum
>

Someone quoted me not having watched American animation enough to criticize
it. I've been watching Sat-Am cartoons since I was a little kid & LIKED
them. How much anime have YOU watched ??
BTW, Lum's series is called URUSEI YATSURA, and I like this type of humour
much better than REN & STIMPY. I'd rather have sexual insinuations
rather than real depicted FILTH.

>
>>I dare someone to show me a Disney animated product that does NOT have any
>>anthropomorphic animals or musical numbers.
>
>I haven't seen 'The Black Cauldron'.  I think that might qualify.
>What about the NAZI animated propaganda film from "The Rocketeer"?
>What about the Creature from the ID in "Forbidden Planet"?
>
Ha! You haven't seen it !! Have you even seen the COMICS or any screen-
pictures of it ?!?! Gurgi was definitely anthropomorphic.
Forbidden Planet !?? 'Ugh!!!' That was a 50's movie, man! Get real!!
Live on !

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