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From: yiannis@ccad.uiowa.edu (Yiannis Papelis)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
Subject: Re: High speed on final, (was High-wing vs. low-wing training)
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:16:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccad.1992Oct7.151651.29440
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City


>Bunch of stuff deleted.
At some article I said
>>And a final datapoint, an archer with idle power and 140 mph on
>>short final will float for 6500 feet before a full stall landing.
>>Don't ask how I know ...

and in some article serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:

>140 mph short final?  Idle power? In an Archer?

I guess I have to explain, considering I got several mail messages
inquiring about the details.  Regaring mike's comment, I'm not sure 
if the question (doubt?) is regarding the power, or the speed but
any plane will go arbitrarily fast, independent of power, if
enough pitch down is used.

Regarding the specific case, I was landing on a 9000 foot
runway, the fbo exit is at the far end of the runway, ATC
is doing the standard 'keep your speed up' thing, it is a
no-wind-perfect-for-flying afternoon, so I thought I'd give it a try.  
At 7-9 miles from the airport I started reducing 
about 300 rpm each minute and maintained airpspeed by trim 
down whenever necessary.  By the time the plane reached short 
final it was at 140mph IAS at idle, and the resulting 
flare/float/whatever was about 6500 feet long.  

This started in a discussion of how I usually deal
with the ballooning problem in low wing piperoids, in this
particular case it worked fine, a high flare reduced the
speed to about 100, flaps were added slowly and the secondary
flare resulted in a fairly descent full stall landing.

Now, I'm not advocating this as standard procedure, neither am
I implying that it's a good thing to try to do, just one of
those strories that might be interesting to others.

Hope the air is now cleared.
-- 
Yiannis E. Papelis,            - Electrical & Computer Engineering, U of Iowa
Center of Computer Aided Design- Home of the Iowa Driving Simulator & future
e-mail: yiannis@ccad.uiowa.edu - home of the National Advanced Driving Simulator
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
From: c60c-3gi@web-3e.berkeley.edu (Masayuki Karahashi)
Subject: more medical problems...
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:22:37 GMT

I've been working at the FAA for a third class medical.  They've finally 
ginven me their results which were not favorable.  The letter they sent
me read:

===<start here>=====

Dear Mr. Karahashi				Reference: PI# 000000
							   MID# 0 000000

We regret that due to your general medical condition (histroy of tetralogy of
FAllot requring cardial surgical treatment), you do not meet the medical
standards as prescrivbed in Section 67.13,.15,.17(f)(2) of th Federal
Aviation Regulations.  Therefore, we have no alternative other than to deny
your application for airman medical certification.

You have also been given consideration for speical issuance of a medical
certificate under Section 67.19 of the Federal Aviation Regualations; 
however, we have been able to find you qualified due to your condition 
currently manifested by residual ventricular septal defect with left to right
shunt and pulmonary insufficiency anbd pulmonic vavluar stenosis demonstrated by
echocardiography.

We regret our decision is not favourable, but under the circumstances,
there is no alternative.

Sincerely,
Audie W. Davis, M.D.
Manager, Aeromedical Certification Division
Civil Aeromedical Institute

=====<end here>=====

sorry for the typos, Im a terrible typist.  anyway, is there ANYTHIG
I can do to get that third class certificate?  or do I have to stay
with Gliders?  

Would self certifying myself for a glider be purgery?  I have no problem
health wise, my cardiologist said I am as normal as anyone else that is
normal, my family doctor said I as as healthy as anybody else, and the
FAA certified dorctor I went to to get the medical orgially said he see's
no problem with me, but he has to send in the stuff since I do have a 
heart murmur.  But I am as healthy as anyone else.

I will also call the AOPA tomorrow and see what they tell me...

I NEED HELP...I WANT TO FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

---Masayuki Karahashi
c60c-3gi@web.berkeley.edu
"I think its time to change major"
From: yiannis@ccad.uiowa.edu (Yiannis Papelis)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
Subject: Re: High speed on final, (was High-wing vs. low-wing training)
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:03:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccad.1992Oct8.210325.16424
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City

In some article serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>
> Story about high speed approach deleted
>
>This is exactly the scenario I had imagined.  I have had the same "keep your 
>speed up" requests from ATC at ADS.  The thing to consider here is that you are
>the ultimate responsibility for the safe operation of your aircraft.  Was the
>operation you described, in your opinion, safe?  Will you do the same thing
>again? 
In my opinion, under the specific situation, it was safe.  Would
I do it again ?, well, maybe not 140 but I'd do it at 120, even though
at a different article, Ron Natalie mentioned that just landing
long by aiming not for the numbers but for the middle of the runway
would be a better choice, at least to avoid long taxi runs.

I have, in the past, when told to keep the speed up, told to the controller 
that this is as fast as it will get, and I wouldn't mind 
to go around, or be vectored around to accomodate the other 
traffic, they almost always come back and say 'no its OK'.

>     Or maybe not keep your speed quite so high?  In reality, by keeping your
>speed up, then floating 2/3 of the way down the runway before landing, you
>probably did not offer ATC any better separation than you would have had you
>maintained a slower approach speed. 
I'm not sure about that, maintaining the high speed for a long (2-3 mins)
approach does maintain sepration.   The funny thing was that after
I had taxied to the fbo and while I was doing the shutdown procedure
I heard the controller clearing the King Air to land.  In other
words, we weren't even close.  At an FAA seminar later that month
I talked to the controllers about the 'keep your speed up' thing
and they basically said that they say it no matter what, similar
to pilots saying 'roger' when there is nothing else to say...

>                        While I am not advocating that you don't
>try to work with ATC, I am saying that you shouldn't let ATC force you into a
>situation you are uncomfortable with. If I can enter the pattern in a 310
>behind a much slower 152, at an uncontrolled field, and still maintain safe
>distances, then ATC should be able to sequence their traffic a little better.
I always wonder about this, after all, do people forget about slow
flight after they get the PP? (Notice I'm talking about slow flight,
not minimal controllable airspeed).

>This is not meant to be a flame or hostile.  These are just my opinions on the
>matter. 
Well taken, good to hear what other people thing, after all
that's what the net is about.

-- 
Yiannis E. Papelis,            - Electrical & Computer Engineering, U of Iowa
Center of Computer Aided Design- Home of the Iowa Driving Simulator & future
e-mail: yiannis@ccad.uiowa.edu - home of the National Advanced Driving Simulator
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From: smythe@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Matthew Aljian)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: more medical problems...
Date: 13 Oct 1992 06:44:30 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Oct12.151106.4527@netcom.com> hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:
>Actually, we are quite lucky in this country.  In some country (I am not
>naming names), your chance of flying is ZERO if you wear glasses, even if
>you wanna pay.  

Speaking of other countries, how is the situation in France?  I may be going
there next year.

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From: butlet@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Timothy James Butler)
Subject: Re: Rotary vs Fixed wing for beginners?
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:57:56 GMT

hchong@netcom.com (Hoi Chong) writes:

>From article <1992Oct7.085910.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, by scostant@cc.curtin.edu.au:
>> I have always been interested in flying helicopters. I originally planned to
>> leave school and join the armed forces in order to pursue this interest.
>> However, since I wear glasses I was not elligible for any aviation type careers
>> in the Australian defence forces. As a consequence I have pursued a university
>> degree etc., but the urge to learn to fly still nags at me. Anyway, I would 
>> like to know several things;

>Wow!  Over here minimum chopper rental is US$135 an hour, w/o instruction.
>I would too like to go for chopper if it isn't that expensive.  Is it
>much cheaper over in Aussieland? 


I'm going on my first helicopter flight sunday. Eventually I hope to be
able to get my license, but since I don't have the $$$ now this is just
a 'gee whiz' flight. I think the cost (It was a gift) is around $175-200 dual
in a Robbie R22. But the total cost start to finish for your license is about 
8 thousand dollars. (From the guy at the flight school)


tim butler  butlet@rpi.edu


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From: mharper@well.sf.ca.us (Michael J. Harper)
Subject: How much to rent?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:15:21 GMT

The in-laws have moved to the extreme edge of my willingness to drive for
a weekend.  Since they have an airstrip nearby, I thought I'd learn how to
fly so I could shuttle my family down there without wasting so much driving
time.  I already have some good information on how to go about getting a
pilot's license.  What I don't know is an average rental cost for a 
suitable plane for the weekend.  Can anyone give me some figures?

Thanks.

Michael J. Harper
mharper@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
From: jkf@Franz.COM (Sean Foderaro)
Subject: Re: High-wing vs. low-wing training
Organization: Franz Inc., Berkeley, CA
	<1992Oct6.164555.20749@news.acns.nwu.edu>
	<1992Oct6.174704.21515@news.nd.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:51:27 GMT


>My insturctor told me that if I learn to land a high wing well, you'll
>grease the landing in a low wing.

 I think that the biggest factor is the design of the elevator.   In 
some aircraft the elevator can't generate enough downward force at
landing speeds to stall the aircraft.  In a cherokee 140 I flew a lot
when you landed you held the yoke back all the way and the plane stalled
when it ran out of airspeed.  This is a hard plane to land nicely since
you don't have a lot of control as to when it decides to stall and 
drop onto the runway.   The tiger (another low wing) on the other hand 
has lots of elevator authority at landing speed so you can gently place the 
wheels on the runway.   Another important factor is the location of 
the center of gravity as this can compensate for a weak elevator.
The location of the wing may be the third most important factor.
  So if you've had some bad experience landing pipers, don't let that 
discourage you from other low wings.

-sean
From: andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Moffett Airshow
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:51:57 GMT
Reply-To: andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technologies, Mt. View, California.

I've looked through all the aviation newsgroups and haven't found
too much info on the Moffet airshow this weekend (Oct. 17 & 18).
Hopefully this newsgroup is the correct place to ask.

What I've seen so far is that the gates will be open from 9 am to
5 pm, and that the Blue Angels will be flying at 3:00 both days.
Does anyones else have information on what other flying and static
displays will be available?

Thanks in advance for anything you can add.

Andre

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From: rfauteux@orion.oac.uci.edu (Robert Fauteux)
Subject: Re: AFROTC or USAF ?
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Distribution: usa
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:20:10 GMT

trujillo@optima.UUCP (Clorinda Trujillo) writes:

>I am a senior in AFROTC, Det 020.  I am not trying to get a pilot slot.
>However, I do know that AS 200s get camp assignments without getting
>categorized.  They compete for pilot slots, etc. during their junior
>year.  I believe application starts in the spring so detachments can see
>what their qualities are for the commander rating.  The logic behind
>this is that cadets will want to be officers first.  However, only
>about half the people are happy with this.  Those that are going
>for tech or non-tech slots are kind of indifferent.  Everyone else
>is usually stressing out about whether or not they will do their job
>well and 'visibly' enough to rank high enough to be considered for
>a pilot slot.

     Visibility is always a problem, as there is usually a group of
people who are more concerned with "looking like they are doing their
job well" instead of "doing the job well".  My experience seems to
indicate that the cadre' is usually pretty good about recognizing
this, but exceptions do happen :-(

     This new process of selection is a bit different, but I guess I
can see the AF's point in all of it.  After all, waiting later does
give them more time to "evaluate" one's abilities.  The Navy & Marine
ROTC programs do something very similar as I remember (slots not
awarded till near the end of the program). 

     So, what do you want to do in the Air Force?  I take it you're
aiming higher than "Base Commissary Officer" :-)


Rob
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: greff@eecs.umich.edu (vincent greff)
Subject: math relationship?
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 00:35:07 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: rec.aviation

Hi,
I'm a student pilote and was wondering if anyone
could give a function to calculate:
true_airspeed=f(pressure_alt,outside_temp,calibrated_airspeed)

Also, I've heared of a NAVY book which is supposed to contain all
that stuff and more. Does anyone have any clue?
I would appreciate any help.

Thanx in advance for your help

Vince
E-mail:greff@eecs.umich.edu


Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Aaron R Wininger)
Subject: Re: AFROTC or USAF ?
Keywords: Who's out there?
Reply-To: arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Aaron R Wininger)
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:15:33 GMT

Im working on a BS in Applied Physics/Nuke E and thinking of joining the USAF.
 Hopefully getting assigned to US Space Command. I definately want a Phd though
and wuz wondering whether it would be better to join first (would the AF 
definately send me to get a Phd) or first get a Phd and then enlist (as a 
Captain,i think)?

Aaron

Aaron R. Wininger, Carnivore                 Columbia Plasma Physics Laboratory
arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu                                 Columbia University
wininger@cuplvx.ap.columbia.edu                              New York, NY 10027
      'That which does not kill us, makes us stronger.'  -Nietzche
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Subject: Re: Women Aces...
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:13:54 MST
Distribution: rec,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

Saved from a post in sci.military:
Thursday, 24 September, 1942
Olga Yamschchikova, flying for the Red Air Force, shoots down a German 
Ju 88 bomber to become the first woman night fighter pilot to score an
aerial victory.  She is a member of the all-woman 586th Fighter Aviation
Regiment, operating over Stalingrad.

Thus a logical guess would be some Russian flyers, and possibly
Yamschchikova.
-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
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From: mconrad@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (|<azie)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: C-130 Crash
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:29:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: miavx1.1992Oct7.212905.13406
Organization: One Particular Harbour

Hello.

I was watching CNN and saw there was a C-130 crash in W. Virginia...
But they did not give a good report on it... I was wondering if anyone has any 
information on it.

Do they have any ideas on what happened?  I heard all the crew died.  
Also is it the same problems they have had in the past with C-130's??

Any info is appreciated...

Michele


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Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: jgoodric@dante.nmsu.edu (GOODRICH)
Subject: this ought to get me looked at...
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:45:18 GMT

	By the FBI.  Aurora officially doesn't exist.  It's supposedly
(All I ever hear is hearsay, so it may or may not be remotely true)
a shock-wave-rider.  Aurora, like the clipper ship, is exactly the 
correct shape and size to gather momentum from its own sonic booms,
thus making it much more efficient and FAST than anything else
in the air (except maybe the Shuttle).  It is also suppsed to 
be a very-high altitude plane, possibly even suborbital.
	It's probably in service around now, since they just 
retired the Blackbird.  
	BTW, I'm just a student, I know nothing about military
aircraft, I just like to look at them.

	The Laughing Priest!

"Laugh-a while you can, monkey-boy!"  -Lord John Whorfin
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Airshows At Edwards And Moffett
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<1992Oct9.211919.15339@synseer.Syntex.COM> <15306@claris.com>
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:38:59 GMT

I just went down to Pass and ID (new car), down by the flight line,
and saw what I think was an airshow routine rehearsal.

Three F-117s in fairly close formation, doing tower flybys.  Then
one plane broke out of the three-man and came back around over the
airfield.  Then I went in, because I had to get back for a meeting.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
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                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
From: rfauteux@orion.oac.uci.edu (Robert Fauteux)
Subject: Re: AFROTC or USAF ?
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Keywords: Who's out there?
Distribution: usa
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:13:14 GMT

aharding@bach.udel.edu (Allison S Harding) writes:


>	I am curious as to how many of you out there are either 
>in the USAF or are working toward that goal.  I would be very 
>interested in talking to you.  

Ah, another good 'ol boy.  I graduated from AFROTC (CSULB 055B) last
December (EE degrees take far too long to complete!), was commissioned
as a DG on the 28th, and am currently trying to survive civilian life
while I wait *16 MONTHS* for active duty.  I hope you fare a little
better than I in getting a prompt class assignment, although from what
I understand, UPT is not as good a place to be right now as it has
been... 

>I am a cadet in my last year of Air Force ROTC at U of Delaware,
>Detachment 128.  By some stroke of chance, I am also a pilot
>candidate.  I just earned my private license in July, and fly
>a Cherokee 140 out of Lee Airport in Annapolis, MD.  This 
>summer, I graduated from the Flight Screening Program at
>Hondo, North of Lackland AFB, near San Antonio, Texas.

Now, I know things have changed since I went through this whole
process (I picked up my preliminary pilot slot as a GMC, went to camp
and got the "permanent" [yeah-right!] slot, and got commissioned and
am waiting till April '93.) I heard something about now they don't
give out allocations until the Senior year?  What *is* the current
process if you want to fly? 

Never made it to Hondo ... already had my private license and was
exempted from FSP (or LATR as it used to be called).  I hear I missed
out on a pretty good time! 


Aim high, and Fly NATO!

Rob

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Moffett Airshow
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 06:05:05 GMT
Distribution: usa

Not a lot is out and visible.  A few C-130s of different kinds.
Our hanger area has the Angels 130 support plane and two backup F-18s.
One poster reported a C-5.  I didn't see this, they tend to park these
at the end of runaway for a variety of reasons.  Are you certain it
was not the B-52?  The MiG was here last year, nice private plane.
A couple of APCs are out, crowd handling materials: trash cans,
first aid, booths.

Have fun.

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From: megazone@joseph.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Subject: Re: C-130 Crash
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:08:59 GMT
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In article <1992Oct7.212905.13406@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> mconrad@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (|<azie) writes:
>Also is it the same problems they have had in the past with C-130's??

Umm, what problem is that?

The C-130 is one of the most reliable aircraft in the world today. I live 
next to the 109th TAG in NY and the pilots there can't paise their Raven Ski
Birds enough. (They fly the Herky bird with skis for the old DEW line and 
scientific missions.)

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