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From: sispas@lsil.com (Steve Ispas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Table after 3 rounds
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:42:54 GMT
Reply-To: sispas@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation


Clasament dupa 3 etape:

1.  Dinamo Bucuresti        3   2  1  0    9-1   5p
2.  Steaua Bucuresti        3   2  1  0    8-3   5p
3.  Gloria Bistrita         3   2  1  0    7-2   5p
4.  Rapid Bucuresti         3   2  1  0    4-1   5p
5.  Electroputere Craiova   3   2  0  1    4-2   4p
6.  Politehnica Timisoara   3   2  0  1    5-7   4p
7.  Universitatea Craiova   3   1  1  1    5-2   3p
8-9.Farul Constanta         3   1  1  1    6-5   3p
    FC Ploiesti             3   1  1  1    6-5   3p
10. Sportul Studentesc      3   1  1  1    3-3   3p
11. Progresul Bucuresti     3   1  1  1    4-5   3p
12. CSM Resita              3   1  1  1    4-6   3p
13. FC Brasov               3   1  0  2    2-3   2p
14. Universitatea Cluj      3   1  0  2    1-4   2p
15. Inter Sibiu             3   1  0  2    3-7   2p
16. Dacia Unirea Braila     3   0  1  2    1-3   1p
17. Otelul Galati           3   0  1  2    1-8   1p
18. FC Bacau                3   0  0  3    1-7   0p



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: msirbu@next5.cs.umr.edu (Mihai Sirbu)
Subject: How much news?
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:45:23 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

How much news do you think it is reasonable to be posted on
this newsgroup?

I have received permission to repost here the daily RFE/RL 
news bulletin about Eastern and Central Europe. The buletin
has an average of 30K (500+ lines) daily. (They maintain
copyrigth and want to control further distribution).

My current practice is to post the entire bulletin under its
current name - including the "long" warning. Also, I'm posting
a selection of all the news covering Romania and 
(Republic of) Moldova under the name
"Moldova/Romania News, RFE/RL mm/dd/yy".

I want your opinion about this problem. Should I 
   1) continue posting this way, 
   2) continue only with the abstract or 
   3) only with the full report?
Or even simply 
   4) stop posting them?

In the USA, I had a lot of trouble searching for news from home 
(Romania :-) ). The RFE/RL is a reasonable source, without charge :-)
and very fast. Since I am also interrested in what is happening in the 
neighboring countries, the full report is of interest to me.

You can answer by e-mail or in a public discussion on the
newsgroup. In a reasonable time, I'll post a summary of the asnwers
received directly.

Thank you for your suggestions.

Mihai Sirbu
msirbu@cs.umr.edu
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: general
Date: 27 Aug 1992 10:32:08 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug27.092348.7282@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at> kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:

>As a special service to the many Romanians who informed me of their 
>appreciation last season, here the results of the 23rd:

Karel, I believe that most of the Romanians that thanked you for your
posts are living in the States.  The coverage of soccer is minimal, and
to get news about Romanian soccer is like pulling teeth from a shark.
I think that I speak in the name of others when I say, please post as
much as your time permits, and we'll be grateful to you.

Sasha Bucur
University of Southern California
From: ns@csd.cri.dk (Nick Sandru)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: general
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:13:50 GMT
Organization: Computer Resources International A/S

re0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Radu Eugen Edelstein) writes:

...

>Sunday, 23 August 1992 ( what a date !):


>I say:
>Yes, what a date !  Liberation date ! It was on August 23 that I left
>Communist Romania and that same day (because of flying alongside the
>sun) is the day I arrived to the US, a few years ago.  Speaking about
>significance...

>Rad

Mine was Saturday, March 19, 1988. This was the day chosen by Ceausescu
for the celebration of his dictatorship - on March 19, 1965 his predecessor,
Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej, died and Ceausescu took the leadership. I really
celebrated this day - in my way, by leaving the communist world...


Long Haired Nick

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Re: general
Followup-To: soc.culture.romanian
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:23:48 GMT

In article <ceb2FTm00Uh7I7wGwr@andrew.cmu.edu> Virgil 
Simplaceanu <vs2a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

[Romanian football results of August 16]
>
>Otelul Galati - Steaua 1-1 (1-0)
>"U" Cluj      - F.C.Brasov 1-0 (1-0)
>C.S.M. Resita - F.C. Inter Sibiu 3-2 (3-0)
>Electroputere Craiova - Dacia Unirea Braila 1-0 (1-0)
>Sportul Studentesc - Universitatea Craiova 0-0
>F.C. Ploiesti - Rapid Bucuresti 1-1 (1-1)
>F.C. Bacau    -Gloria Bistrita 1-4 (0-3)
>Progresul Bucuresti - F.C. Farul Constanta 2-2 (1-1)
>Dinamo Bucuresti - "Poli" Timisoara 4-0 (2-0)
>

Last spring I have posted football results from Romania (and several
other eastern european countries) in rec.sport.soccer and this newsgroup.
I can't continue that service on the same scale, but I will post tables
after every five rounds.
As a special service to the many Romanians who informed me of their 
appreciation last season, here the results of the 23rd:

Dacia Unirea Braila - Dinamo Bucuresti 1-1
Politehnica Timisoara - Sportul Studentesc 3-2
Universitatea Craiova - Otelul Galati 4-0
Steaua Bucuresti - FC Ploiesti 4-2
FC Brasov - FC Bacau 1-0
Rapid Bucuresti - Universitatea Cluj 1-0
Gloria Bistrita - Progresul Bucuresti 2-0
FC Farul Constanta - CFR Resita 3-0
FC Inter Sibiu - Electroputere Craiova 1-0

Only team with 2 wins out of the first 2 matches is surprisingly Gloria.

Cheers,
Karel

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 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
From: marian@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: How much news?
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:18:37 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

> I want your opinion about this problem. Should I
>    1) continue posting this way,
>    2) continue only with the abstract or
>    3) only with the full report?
> Or even simply
>    4) stop posting them?
>
> In the USA, I had a lot of trouble searching for news from home
> (Romania :-) ). The RFE/RL is a reasonable source, without charge :-)
> and very fast. Since I am also interrested in what is happening in the
> neighboring countries, the full report is of interest to me.
>
> You can answer by e-mail or in a public discussion on the
> newsgroup. In a reasonable time, I'll post a summary of the asnwers
> received directly.
>
> Thank you for your suggestions.
>
> Mihai Sirbu
> msirbu@cs.umr.edu


Hi,
People can subscribe to RFE/RL. On the other hand, I thank you for your
effort to inform us with news about Romania from the other sources.
Marian Dodu
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: Gipsies / Jews and other "natiuni conlocuitoare"
Date: 4 Sep 1992 13:58:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <lafb94INN8rr@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> hendrix@haber.Eng.Sun.COM writes:

> There are some REAL BIGOTS HERE WHO talk about Gypsies in a VERY disturbing way.
>Let me point out some FACTS;
> - There are BAD people in every National subgroup.

What do you mean by national subgroup?

> - There are GOD people in every National grub.
> - because some of you had bad experience with some guys it
>is INSIDIOUS to characterize the whole group as being ... bad.

Isn't this exactly what happens when they are seen in other countries as
Romanians?  I mean I was asked more than once "Why are Romanians going to
Berlin and begging?  Is Romania so poor?"  So, who's characterizing who?
You can call me bigot, but your statements do not present much else.

>  In my opinion Gipsy are a VERY important part of the Roumanian Society
>some of them may not be pleasant to you,so nobody asks you to associate with them.

I do not associate with them, they associate with us (I am entitled to an 
opinion, ain't I?) and when it is in their benefit.

> I also think that they are in the BEST socio-economic position to get VERY RICH
>due to the fall of comunism and that this is the real problem BIGOTS dislike the.

They got RICH during communism by getting around it.  Know they found another
way of doing it so they run after it.  The Germans get upset because they have
to deal with the issue, and they say they are Romanians to diffuse the issue.
(Again this my opinion)

> Without them there would be no wood to burn in winter and a loath of other
>goods wold not reach the market.

Have you ever been stolen money from your pocket by little kids, which are
then protected by some gang of mean looking dudes?  If not, then just do not
defend them.  According to your statement, mafia and rocketeering is correct
too since they take advantage of the situation and provide the services to
few that need them.  Right?

> My Dear Sasha THIS is what CAPITALISM IS ALL ABOUT "make money" if you did not have
>family abroad ??? and the had that is their advantage and there is nothing wrong with
>them being "BISNITARI" what is WRONG with rounamia is that the term "BISNITAR" is a negative term
>"BISNITAR" ==> CAPITALIST and that is Bater than COMULIST <== "CUR LINGAU"

See the above statement.

Why do you think that Anti-trust laws are in effect in the States?

Sasha Bucur
From: cbarghie@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Barghiel)
Subject: Re: How much news?
Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:25:25 GMT


I, too, think the trimmed version should do.

-Chris 
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From: pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: How much news?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:15:39 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

msirbu@next5.cs.umr.edu (Mihai Sirbu) writes:

>How much news do you think it is reasonable to be posted on
>this newsgroup?

>I have received permission to repost here the daily RFE/RL 
>news bulletin about Eastern and Central Europe. The buletin
>has an average of 30K (500+ lines) daily. (They maintain
>copyrigth and want to control further distribution).

>My current practice is to post the entire bulletin under its
>current name - including the "long" warning. Also, I'm posting
>a selection of all the news covering Romania and 
>(Republic of) Moldova under the name
>"Moldova/Romania News, RFE/RL mm/dd/yy".

>I want your opinion about this problem. Should I 
>   1) continue posting this way, 
>   2) continue only with the abstract or 
>   3) only with the full report?
>Or even simply 
>   4) stop posting them?

>In the USA, I had a lot of trouble searching for news from home 
>(Romania :-) ). The RFE/RL is a reasonable source, without charge :-)
>and very fast. Since I am also interrested in what is happening in the 
>neighboring countries, the full report is of interest to me.

>You can answer by e-mail or in a public discussion on the
>newsgroup. In a reasonable time, I'll post a summary of the asnwers
>received directly.

>Thank you for your suggestions.

>Mihai Sirbu
>msirbu@cs.umr.edu

I think this is a waste, as everybody who is connected to the internet
can subscribe directly, as I did two days ago. Maybe you can post the 
subscription modus again. Or somebody can put it on the FAQ for this
newsgroup.

Peter


		                                                               
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: zoelen@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl
Subject: please help me ..
Organization: Leiden University Faculty of Social Sciences
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:09:52 +0100

can anybody help me to make a small translation from romanian into english
or dutch or german? it's only a few lines...
(i asked once before, but the ppl who helped me are back to romania
now and i forgot to keep the other addresses).
thanks,
ad van zoelen 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: mihai@nada.kth.se (Mihai Dorobantu)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Romanians flood Poland seeking new life in Germany
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:15:41 GMT

In article <la7tn0INN19u@pollux.usc.edu>, bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur) writes:
|> In article <gecvU7o00k008veEsg@transarc.com> Denis_Dancanet@transarc.com writes:
|> 
|> >        They are Romanians, arriving by the thousands since Germany lifted
|> >visa requirements for Poland and most of the rest of Eastern Europe last
|> >year.
|> 
|> >        A township of tents and makeshift shelters for several hundred
|> >refugees has been formed by Romanian gypsies near the Warsaw Eastern
|> >railway station. Most of them know just enough Polish words to beg.
|> 
|> There are two different statement here: Romanians and Romanian gypsies.  Are
|> they only gypsies, or no one can tell?  I am just wondering.
|> 
|> Sasha Bucur
|> 
 
1.I doubt that there are "only gypsies" and I doubt that someone should tell
or count.

2.I fail to understand the importance of "Romanians and Romanian gypsies".
If those concerned would be Martian gypsies, would there be any difference?
If those concerned would be Romanian Romanians, would there be any difference? 

3.Gypsies live all around the world so why are the "Romanian gypsies"
something special. The point is that most Europeans (gypsies or not) can
travell without restriction while the Roumanians (gypsies or not) don't
enjoy this right. I pressume that this is the core of the matter, besides
the financial aspects.

4.I would be greatful if we could refrain from racial remarks in the
Newsgroup. I think we have to live with the fact that Roumania is made 
of Roumanian citizens with different ethnic background. In fact I think
that most of those writting now in this group belong to the minorities of
their places of residence. This is strictly personal comment and should
be treated as such. 

Best regards

Mihai Dorobantu


Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
From: fraserdt@unixg.ubc.ca (David T.S. Fraser)
Subject: Re: How much news?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:16:49 GMT

In <1992Sep3.074416.29240@kth.se> mihai@nada.kth.se (Mihai Dorobantu) writes:

>I think it's best to send only the abstract. Those intrested in the
>whole Eastern European reports can subscribe themselvs to RFE/RL. I
>have done so, there's no problem. This way  you can save some of your 
>time while keeping everybody updated.

>I also to thank you for the great job you've been doing. I think
>we all owe you a lot.

I second the motion on both counts:

First, Mr. Serbu has done us a great service of letting us know about this
mailing list.  I can only speak for myself, but compared to getting "Romana
Libera" sent by my parents and having it arrive three weeks out of date, 
this is a tremendous service.  The news is as up to date as the paper
I pick up on my way to work.

Secondly, I think that only abstracts are necessary in the newsgroup.  It will
save Mr. Serbu time and anyone who wants the whole thing can easily subscribe.
I do think, though, that a notice of this service be posted fairly regularly
so that new users will know about it (the listserv index is pretty cryptic).

Thanks.

David Fraser 
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From: Denis_Dancanet@transarc.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Fwd: Romanians flood Poland seeking new life in Germany
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:35:51 GMT
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From: mihai@sep.Stanford.EDU (Alexander Mihai Popovici)
Subject: Re: Fwd: Romanians flood Poland seeking new life in Germany
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:07:50 GMT

In article <laa6a3INNqce@pollux.usc.edu>, bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur) writes:
|> 
|> >3.Gypsies live all around the world so why are the "Romanian gypsies"
|> >something special. The point is that most Europeans (gypsies or not) can
|> >travell without restriction while the Roumanians (gypsies or not) don't
|> >enjoy this right. I pressume that this is the core of the matter, besides
|> >the financial aspects.
|> 
|> I believe you are not equating the financial matters with the travel 
|> restrictions and you should.  Most often you'd see that the financial
|> problems inferred on a country as a result of taking care of illegal emigrants
|> from other countries is a big part of the equation.

It is misleading to make general assumptions about a certain category
of people like Gypsies or any other ethnic group.  However I had my
own bitter experiences with the Gypsies I met while I spent a year
in the Traiskirchen refugee camp, in Austria.
So while I don't want to make any generalization which can
always be interpreted as a racist statement,
I just want to tell my story.

There where about 4000  refugees in the Traiskirchen camp,
all from communist countries (in 1986) and
usually grouped in their own national cummunities.  
There were Hungarians, Czechs, Poles, Romanians, Albanians and so on.
The group of Gypsies in the refugee camp had their own subculture
and their own exclusive community.  They lived in several separate 
dorms and were a group apart.  Two of the Gypsy dorms were the "shop"
dorms.  You could go in and describe the item that you wanted,
where you saw it (i.e. the store) and have it in a week for
half the price. 

Once in a while the local press will show another
Romanian thief caught by the police and display his picture.
While I was there, it happened twice, and in both cases it was
a Romanian Gypsy.  But to the locals it was just another Romanian.
As I used to work (illegally, by the way) for the locals 
doing odd jobs, they would usually tell me another "Romanian" 
story they read in the newspaper, and again generalize it
as applicable to the whole nation.

The truth is, the subgroup of Gypsies I met, had a different 
set of moral values than all the other Romanians in the camp.  
Stealing and swindling were part of their natural way of life.
If you ever saw the movie 
"Am intilnit tigani fericiti - I met happy Gypsies" you
will understand better the totaly different subculture.

On short, the thing I resented most was the fact that
the "Romanian Gypsy" community was identified with the 
general "Romanian" community.  Furthermore
the Gypsies didn't consider
themselves Romanians first and Gypsies later.

So while generalizing in one direction (Gypsies are not Romanians)
could lead to racist conclusions, generalizing in the other direction 
(all Romanians are Gypsy) is also false.
I think all the cases should be dealt
with on an individual basis.

Cheers
MIhai
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Subject: Re: general
Date: 28 Aug 1992 06:43:32 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug28.070938.27241@kth.se> mihai@nada.kth.se (Mihai Dorobantu) writes:

>Their sponsors changed their name from Militie to Politie, but how
>important is the name ? Many institutions changed their name, but
>this in itself means nothing. There are other changes ( including
>names or not ) for which we are waiting.

I wonder anybody knows about the policies for drafting.  In the old times
such drafting policies gave an unfair advantage to Steaua and Dinamo since
any 18 year old athlete had to go either in Army, or in the Militia services.
The two biggest clubs were sponsored by them (Steaua by the army, Dinamo by
Militia), so they could always choose the best athletes.  They gave them 
special treatment during service in exchange for joining their clubs.

If the policies have not changed other clubs in the country will never have
a chance in competing with Steaua and Dinamo in most of the sports.

Sasha Bucur