HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: krisna@cs.wisc.edu (Krishna Kunchithapadam)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm 2.4 and xterm
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:54:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.krisna.718307651
Followup-To: comp.mail.elm
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

gordonb@mcil.comm.mot.com (Gordon Berkley) writes:
>>
>> maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch (Silvano Maffeis) writes:
>>|> When using an xterm and with term=xterm
>>
>> Did you compile with libcurses or with libtermcap?
>> How about previously?
>>
>> Make sure that /etc/termcap contains a definition for "xterm".
>> I had this similar problem.
>>

I don't think the problem is with "termcap"  (or  "terminfo"  for
that matter).

Elm *always* does an "InitScreen()" followed by a "Raw(ON)", even
before  it  starts  to check your mailbox. There are also lots of
code sections bracketed  by  "Raw(ON)/Raw(OFF)"  (or  vice-versa)
calls.

The problem with the Raw() function is  that  it  echoes  control
sequences  to  initialize  and  end the termcap functions of your
terminal -- and it so happens  that  the  sequences  for  "xterm"
switch you to some kind of an alternate screen buffer.

So, your messages (folder  listing  for  instance)  goes  to  one
screen  buffer  --  which happens to be the current stdout, while
elm soon returns to the original screen buffer.

You can also observe this problem in many other contexts.
        $ elm -z                # when you have no mail
        $ checkalias foo        # for any alias foo

Also, (as if things weren't  bad  enough  already),  this  buffer
switching  (and/or  excessive  scrolling)  occurs only for screen
sizes larger than a certain value. vt100 screens are the  vanilla
24x80 size, and everything seems to work okay.

I also commented out  the  calls  to  init  and  end  termcap  in
function  Raw() and built the Elm binaries -- and with xterm (and
vt100), everything seems to work okay (although there  are  still
some unwanted scrolls depending on the cursor location).

Still, the Elm development group should come out with a  fix  for
this soon. As it is, the scrolling/clearing of the screen is very
unfriendly.

Syd, what is the *exact* reason the calls to init/end termcap are
added in Raw(). Can they be done away with?

-- Krishna (krisna@cs.wisc.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage)
Subject: Re: slash `/` style addressing
Keywords: Slashes and Equals in SprintMail addresses
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 01:04:16 GMT

We have had the same problem with elm garbling the aliases used by
SprintMail (and several government agencies).  For those whove missed
it, these addresses look like:

/G=E.CLIFTON/S=BARKLEY/O=TRW/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com

The problem is NOT the slashes, the problem are the '=' signs.  When
elm builds the address out of the alias, it parses the alias name as all
the text up to the first '=' and the alias as all the text after the
last (I assume it is reading back from the end of the string rather than
forwards.).  This lets you put an = in your "real name," but screws up
on these SprintMail addresses because it only sees the stuff after the
last one as being the adress.  Thus, the above would be resolved as:

US/@sprint.com (/G=E.CLIFTON/S=BARKLEY/O=TRW/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C)

Obviously, this isn't going to get very far past the gateway onto Sprint's
system.  I wrote to the elm author(s), but I never heard back from them.
We currently have no solution to this problem, and I'd love to hear if
someone comes up with one.

By the way, if you GET mail from someone at one of these sites, you can
reply to them through elm with no problem.  Life's a bitch, huh?

-- 
Christopher Barkley
The DarkMage
cbarkley@tusol.cs.trinity.edu
Reality is a State of Mind
From: devet@win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Elm 2.4 Announcement and 'Comment'
Keywords: elm
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:58:44 GMT
Reply-To: devet@win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet)
Followup-To: comp.mail.elm
Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands

In article <1992Oct4.195339.12136@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>Ok, I have release Elm 2.4 to the archive sites, and to
>comp.sources.unix.  When the archive sites place it for public
>release I do not know, but I know that one has already (.nl).

It's already available from:

	ftp.win.tue.nl:/pub/mail/elm2.4.tar.Z (131.155.70.100)

Docs in PS format:

	ftp.win.tue.nl:/pub/mail/elm.ps.tar.Z (131.155.70.100)

Arjan
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dbrillha@dave.mis.semi.harris.com (Dave Brillhart)
Subject: SIG / LOCALSIG LOGIC???
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:19:05 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Reply-To: dbrillha@dave.mis.semi.harris.com
Organization: Harris Semiconductor


Can anyone explain the logic ELM uses to decide if it
should choose the LOCALSIG file or the SIGNATURE file?

Thanks,
--
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From: markwc@barney.esl.com (Mark Christiansen)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: submitting news posts from elm
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:38:52 GMT
Organization: ESL Inc., Sunnyvale, CA

How do I submit posts to a newsgroup from elm?  I'm currently using rn
and its a real pain sometimes.

Mark
-- 
   We can lick gravity, but sometimes the paperwork is overwhelming.
   -- Wernher von Braun
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: singh@r-node.gts.org (Rajendra Singh)
Subject: Yet Another Filter Question
Reply-To: 88singhr@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca
Organization: R-Node
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 23:57:18 GMT

I am a novice user of filter.  I have a question regarding the following
line in my "filter-rules" file:

if (subject = "abc") then execute elm %S < /u/ ... /file

where /u/ ... /file represents the path to a file in my directory.

Now, if a user sends me mail with "abc" in the subject, the above filter
command works some of the time.  If the user is on the same machine, the
file gets sent to him/her.  However, if the user is on a different machine,
the file never gets to him/her.

"filter -S" reports that the command was executed, yet the user who sent the
mail (from a remote machine) never gets the file.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Raj (singh@r-node.gts.org)  If you wish to reply by E-Mail and your response
is greater than 100 lines (or 15K), then please send your response to:
                    88singhr@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca
From: alan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Alan Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: X400 problem in 2.4
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:03:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

Not sure if this a profoundly silly question with a simple answer, but...

Over here in the UK on our JANET network, X400 mail is converted to "Grey Book"
format (RFC822 with a bit extra) at a relay, which presents the return address
to us in the RFC822 header

    From: "/foo=bar..."@uk.ac.mhs-relay

Note the quotes around the first part (is this idiosyncratic to us Brits?). 
ELM 2.4 handles this almost OK, so that in a reply the To: line reads

    To: "/foo=bar..."@uk.ac.mhs-relay (/foo=bar..."@uk.ac.mhs-relay)

The first quote has got lost from what's in (), but no matter (?)

The message works its way down through sendmail and ends up being passed
to the JANET network mailer with a config file line

    Mniftp, F=nsmFDMSxu, S=24, R=24, M=100000, 
            P=/usr/cbs/hhsmail, A=hhsmail $h $u

This program converts the RFC822 form into a slight superset - it simply
adds the destination address "/foo=bar..."@uk.ac.mhs-relay passed as $u
as the first line of the file, followed by a blank line. This is used by the
recipient mailer for delivery rather than the To: line.

The problem is that sendmail seems to use /bin/sh to run this mailer program,
so that the quotes are stripped and the first line of the message in Grey Book
format appears as

/foo=bar...@uk.ac.mhs-relay

which won't work.

So: how do I tackle this? Can ELM be set up to put some '\'s in front of quotes?
Should I do a local modification? Modify the JANET mailer program to try to put
the removed quotes back? Or can a sendmail guru give me a simple solution? [One
thing _not_ to do is put quotes around addresses regardless - that will break
mail to everywhere _else_]

I have no doubt that this particular problem is totally UK specific because
of the odd British way we do things, but it _is_ a big one!

Thanks for any advice; and thanks to Syd and all the developers for an
excellent piece of work!

Alan
From: westes@sti.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: x-based elm?
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:00:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: sti.BvD3xA.EK9
Organization: Mail Group

Are there any plans for an x-based elm?  (No folks, I'm talking about
something a little more elaborate than running elm inside of xterm... :)

I find that character-mode elm is great for everything except two
things:

1) when I want to save a file into a mail folder, I both have problems
remembering the exact name of the folder, and I also have 
problems remembering the exact path to the folder since I keep a
multi-level tree of folders.

2) when I want to select aliases, it would be nice to be able to do so
off of a pick list.

Thanks,
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: QQ11@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK (Alan Thew)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: HELP!!! MAIL/MAILBOOK ERROR ENCOUNTERED
Date: 26 Sep 92 10:32:57 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool

In article <92262.164605CYCUS089@TWNMOE10.BITNET>, CYCUS089@TWNMOE10.BITNET
says:
>
>Hi Folks,
>       My Mail/MailBook got some problems. I can't read mail by choosing 2
>.Read Mails. And I got the following message:REXX error 40 in line 563:
>Incorrect call to routine. And all income mails before got lost. could any
>body tell me what's problem with my mail/mailbook?? I got madness for this.
>Please post here and don't send me email.Thanx in advance.
>
You need the newsgroup bit.listserv.mailbook.

Alan Thew
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Users' Guide for Elm?
Summary: see doc directory
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:42:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.160144.6830@iphase.uucp> plarkin@iphase.com (Patrick Larkin - MIS) writes:
>I've just recently changed employers and my new company runs 'elm' as the preferred
>user interface to mail (end-users = non-technicals to engineers).   Well, I'm supposed
>to be coming up with a training outline for them, and I'm kinda lost....
>I've read the man-page(s) for elm and I can use it pretty well.  However, I am
>looking for more information on the 'nuances' of elm for our more "advanced" users
>(e.g. how-to-configure/meanings-of  ~/.elm/*).
>As suggested in the man-page, I want to:
>
>SEE ALSO
>     The Elm documentation package, including: The  Elm  Users  Guide,
>     The  Elm  Reference  Guide, The Elm Alias System Users Guide, The
>     Elm Forms Mode Guide, The Elm Filter Guide, The Elm Configuration
>     Guide
>
>Anyone know where I can get these?  Any other good sources you might recommend? 
try the doc directory of the distribution.  ALl of the documents for Elm are
distributed along with Elm, all 100+ pages of them.  If your site has Elm, it
should also have the sources, and in the doc directory of the source is all
the documents.

Now, for folks without a way of printing ?roff documents, like Elm uses,
there are several things you can do.
1. get gnu groff
2. get psroff
3. get the documents already in postscript format from any of our archive
	sites.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.3PL11
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 2.4 Release: Oct 1,1992
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: elm 2.4 and xterm
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<krisna.718307651@cs.wisc.edu> <1992Oct5.184527.175@DSI.COM>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:05:45 GMT

The solution is to use:

XTerm*titeInhibit: on

which causes the ti and te codes to have no effect (not switch you to an
alternate screen buffer, etc).  I prefer this behavior, as it solves
similar "problems" with less, emacs, and other termcap-aware programs.
--
Christopher K. Davis      |       NET.INSIGHTS INTO ARTISTIC CRITICISM:
<ckd@eff.org>   EFF #14   | ``[Y]ou don't cure bad art by locking it all up
System Administrator, EFF | in one museum, you cure it by throwing tomatoes
+1 617 864 0665  [CKD1]   | at bad artists.'' --Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: ayman@eecs.umich.edu (Ayman I. Kayssi)
Subject: Re: mh folder -> elm folder
Organization: ACAL, EECS, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:50:51 GMT

I wrote:
>: how about cat?
>That won't work.

Here's something that works (from the mh-users archives):
------------------------------------------------------------
#! /bin/sh
# packmbox - pack an MH folder back into a UUCP-style mbox
# @(#)$Id: packmbox.sh,v 1.16 1992/02/14 17:05:31 jromine Exp $
#
# Defaults:
#    `+folder'	defaults to current folder
#    `msgs' 	defaults to all
#
# Context:
#    Current-Folder
#
# for simplicity (and speed) we don't parse command-line args (much)
case $#/$1 in
   1/-h*) echo "syntax: packmbox [+folder] [msgs] [-help]" 1>&2; exit 0;;
esac

format="%(msg) From \
%<{return-path}%(putstr)%|\
%<(nonnull(mbox{from}))%(putstr)%|nobody%>@\
%<(nonnull(host{from}))%(putstr)%|nowhere%>%> \
%(day{date}) %(month{date}) %2(mday{date}) \
%02(hour{date}):%02(min{date}):%02(sec{date}) \
%(void(year{date}))%<(gt 100)%4(putnum)%|19%02(putnum)%>"

trap 'rm -f /tmp/packm$$; exit 1' 1 2 3 15

scan -noclear -noheader -noreverse -width 256 \
			-format "${format}" $* >/tmp/packm$$
# tricky -- you must do this "cd" after scan has updated the context
cd `mhpath`

exec </tmp/packm$$
rm -f /tmp/packm$$
while read m f
do
    echo "$f"
    sed -e '/^From /s/^/>/' < $m
    echo ""
done
exit
--------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Ayman I. Kayssi                               |    ayman@eecs.umich.edu
EECS Department                               +------------------------
University of Michigan                        |          (313) 764-8033
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm vs sendmail
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:18:14 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) writes:
|At least one person has written a script to marry elm & nn.  Alas, I
|never got it to work.  Ask in news.software.nn to see if anyone can
|furnish the name & source...

It can be found in the FAQ on news.software.nn

Tx.
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: elm 2.4 and xterm
Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute
Distribution: comp.mail.elm
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 17:20:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.091400.505@ifi.unizh.ch> maffeis@ifi.unizh.ch (Silvano Maffeis) writes:
>Hello!
>
>When using an xterm and with term=xterm, I have a problem
>with elm 2.4: a folderlist displayed with '=*' for example
>is displayed, but cleared away just thereafter. When I work
>with term=vt100 then it works correctly.

Yes, I have this exact same problem.  I had a problem right after I
installed elm, one of my users complained he couldn't run elm.  He
would type 'elm' and it would flash something and exit.  Turns out
the /tmp/mbox.$USER lock file was there, but the "You seem to have ELM
already reading this mail! .." message flashed up so quickly that
it just it was barely visible.

This is repeatable:
touch /tmp/mbox.$USER
elm
rm /tmp/mbox.$USER

Compiled with standard defaults from Configure.  We're running SunOS 4.1.1
and X11R5.

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@pop.psu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.aix
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: elm2.4, AIX
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:46:31 GMT

tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar) writes:
:   The source of elm2.4 is to be found also under anonymous ftp on
: ftp.itc.univie.ac.at:/pub/AIX

  Just a remark to my previous posting (reaction to some mail questions :-) :
the AIX story concerns AIX for RS6000, tested under AIX 3.2.1

  A 0README file added.
  I left still the running version of elm3.2 PL11 in the directory, but it
should be obsolete and I'll throw it away as soon as possible.

								Tom
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: X400 problem in 2.4
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:34:53 GMT

alan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Alan Phillips) writes:
>Not sure if this a profoundly silly question with a simple answer, but...

>Over here in the UK on our JANET network, X400 mail is converted to "Grey Book"
>format (RFC822 with a bit extra) at a relay, which presents the return address
>to us in the RFC822 header

>    From: "/foo=bar..."@uk.ac.mhs-relay
>The message works its way down through sendmail and ends up being passed
>to the JANET network mailer with a config file line

>    Mniftp, F=nsmFDMSxu, S=24, R=24, M=100000, 
>            P=/usr/cbs/hhsmail, A=hhsmail $h $u

>This program converts the RFC822 form into a slight superset - it simply
>adds the destination address "/foo=bar..."@uk.ac.mhs-relay passed as $u
>as the first line of the file, followed by a blank line. This is used by the
>recipient mailer for delivery rather than the To: line.

>The problem is that sendmail seems to use /bin/sh to run this mailer program,
>so that the quotes are stripped and the first line of the message in Grey Book
>format appears as

>/foo=bar...@uk.ac.mhs-relay

>which won't work.
Then sendmail needs to do what Elm does, escape the quotes when passing them
to the shell.  This is a sendmail problem.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL00
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mike@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Mike Tankenson)
Subject: slash `/` style addressing
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:35:45 GMT

When we try to use addressing like this:

tom = = /PN=THOMAS.GEORGE/O=OMNET/ADMD=TELEMAIL/C=US/@sprint.com

within ELM, it takes the alias, but appears to garble it when resolving the
name.  ELM doesn't seem to like any of the '/' characters as part of the
target name.  Note that sendmail appears to take this type of address just
fine.  Such addresses also work fine from Macintoshs running systems like
QuickMail.

What gives?

-- 
Michael Tankenson                                     Telos Systems Group 
c/o Jet Propulsion Laboratory, 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA.  91109
Phone: (818) 306-6445, Mail Stop: 525-3670
Internet: mike@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov  NASAMAIL: TANKENSON  JEMS: TANKENSON
From: xcea@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: elm with IMAP
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:09:38 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

Are there any plans to make elm work with IMAP.  I have used it with
pine and it is great.  I can start pine on a sun without the mail and it
connects to the mail machine and reads my mail there.  It's great.

(If you have a sun and are thinking of trying it be aware that the rsh
patch 100527-01 breaks it...we took it back out.)

Any way I sure would like it if our elm users could IMAP to the
mailserver just like news users can nntp to the news server.
There are just so many users you can fit on one mail server.

Any hope?

Chad Adams
-- 
Chad Adams              __               Educational Computing Network
Systems Programmer     /  ) /         /  University Park, IL  USA
1-708-534-0200        /    /_  __, __/   ECN, networking in IL since 1975
c-adams@bgu.edu      (__/ / /_/_/_(_/_   "Wherever you go, there we are."
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide')
Subject: elm2.4PL0 problems on HP-UX 8.07
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:44:43 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Space Physics, Uppsala, Sweden


I just compiled and installed elm 2.4 on my HP Snake (9000/720) running
HP-UX 8.07.  The immediate problems I have observed are:

1.  elm -K no longer works in an hpterm X window (it did in elm 2.3 PL11).

2.  After editing the aliases (via 'a' followed by 'e' and leaving the
    editor -- vi in my case --) the arrow keys can no longer be used to
    move up and down in the alias list or mail folder list.

I am not at all convinced the above necessarily are due to elm2.4 bugs
but I would be interested in hearing from other HP-UX users who have already
acquired experience with elm2.4 to compare behaviour.


Thanks.

Bo


PS.  The new alias support seems quite nice!
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  |R|      Phone: (+46) 18-303671.  Fax: (+46) 18-403100.  IP: 130.238.30.23
 /|F|\          INTERNET: bt@irfu.se      UUCP: ...!mcvax!sunic!irfu!bt  
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Filter and Reply-To
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:07:36 GMT

Syd Weinstein writes
> Elm and Filter both consider From: and Reply-To: equivalent, and the
> last one wins. (ie if From: follows Reply-To:, the From: wins and
> vice versa)

This isn't good should someone want their Reply-To: address to be used instead  
of their From: address (the whole point of Reply-To: as I understand it) and  
the Reply-To: just happens to be below the From: line.

Could it be changed so that "using one over the other" or "whichever comes  
last" is a configuration option (with a default compiled in or set in a file  
that the compiler made)?
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail ok