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From: riouxp@rs6225.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux)
Subject: Re: Re:B&tb continuity errors
Reply-To: riouxp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:33:11 GMT

In article <199301111554.AA18027@tuna.wang.com>, CHRIS.CYR@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Chris Cyr") writes:
|> Regarding the suggested 'passage of time continuity error', I don't know if
|> anyone else has said this, but I really don't see an error.  True, the picture
|> may be in error.  If it truly shows the prince at age 21 or so, then there is
|> an error.  If the spell was placed on the castle when he was 11, then there is
|> no error IMHO.
|> 
|> Others seem to have a problem with Chip and the other inhabitants of the
|> castle.  But, they were all transformed into inanimate objects (ie plates,
|> dishes, etc) which do not 'age' in the sense of growing old.  They don't grow!
|> Yet, the prince was made a beast - which does grow old, its heart and body
|> become frail like you or I or a dog or a tourtise.  It seems that the curse
|> was that the prince would lose those years that he could not get someone to
|> love him while the inhabitants would not.  When the curse is broken, the
|> inhabitants transform back to humans not having aged.  The prince on the other
|> hand - has aged - never to regain the years he spent as the beast.
|> 
|> If the spell is never broken, well - all bets are off - it seems that the
|> inhabitants get to live forever as flatware while the beast would eventually
|> die of old age.  The introduction talks of being a beast 'for all time'.
|> Well, 'for all time' can be up to interpretation.  For eternity - or for all
|> the time that the beast remains alive.  Yeah, this gets a little weak - but we
|> will never know since the spell is broken and clearly the inhabitants have
|> not aged (as proven by Chip) and the beast has!!
|> 
|> Chris




ok, ok... i will go over this one last time.. (it is getting near dinner, and i am getting testy...so sue me!)....what happened... is a: "a beautiful enchantress put a powerfull spell on the castle:.. b. the aging process slowed (for all of them down to almost a complete halt.. but not a complete halt, because those ten slowed years had to have passed... and in this time, people 
forgot about the castle.. and anybody who happened t ogo there.. except in the last year or so.. was turned into another inanimate object... 

thank you good day, and good night.. and that is the story.. 

linda woolverton
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: What is it with the Hooters?
Keywords: kazongas/coconuts/malomboes/hooters/jugs/breasts!
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:07:25 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle ) writes:

>Big Kazongas are in now.  It was somewhat worse in the '50s cartoons.  They
>couldn't draw women with noticeable kazongas or it would be "dirty", but
>the women had tiny waists and the men were pretty ugly (101 Dalmatians).

Naw, in the 50s you could find women with big Kazongas(tm) in Warner and
MGM shorts.

>Jennifer, who likes to think her Kazongas are rather big

Goodness.  I read this, and not one obnoxious comment went through my head.
Must be some of that maturity stuff I keep hearing about.

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From: bacchus@bnr.ca (Mark Bacchus)
Subject: Disney Villains (Was: Aladdin: Oh Baby!)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Norcross, GA
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 18:45:38 GMT

In article <1icc8jINNlu8@network.ucsd.edu> rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.193121.2817@octel.com> cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns) writes:
>>
>>Well, head on down to Disneyland.  Aladdin is there in the flesh.  (As
>>well as a 7+ foot Jafar, and an irresistable Genie, that likes to hold
>
>They don't normally have villains "stalking" the park, do they?
>That's the first thing I thought of when I saw Jafar with a small
>child at Disneyland.  Yikes! 8-O

I can remember seeing at least two other "villains" walking around
the Magic Kingdom: Captain Hook, and Brer Fox.  Okay, so neither of
these are quite as frightening as Jafar, but they certainly were
the antagonists in their respective movies.

Can anyone think of other villains that can be seen stolling through
the Parks?

-- 
Mark Bacchus
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From: jcichock@ep.ieee.org (J Cichocki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Daughters of Triton
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:10:05 GMT
Reply-To: jcichock@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY

In article <maggie.726609723@oscar> maggie@ee.ualberta.ca (Maggie Yee Man Pong) writes:
>palmesap@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Allan P Palmes) writes:
>
>>What are their names?  
>
>Their names are Aquata, Andrina, Arista, Atina, Adella, Allana and Ariel.
>
>maggie
>
I thought Allana was Adonna? Can anyone confirm? I just listened to the tape and I 
thought it was Adonna. I played it over and over again. Is it listed in the cd
jacket or in a book somewhere? Just wondering.

Jeff
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From: david@mks.com (David Rowley)
Subject: Re: I'm going backstage at WDW! for free!!
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:07:33 GMT

In article <9014@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> mross@crowe.seas.ucla.edu (Mark J. Ross) writes:
>
>I just conned my way into a free vacation to WDW - paid for by UCLA.
>
	[some gloating deleted :-)]

>They are paying the conference fee (which includes
>the backstage tour), airfare, hotel room, transportation expenses,
>$37 per day for food, and any other valid expenses.  Now I need to 
>get the conference check sent out from UCLA in time for the 
>tour.  
>
>Have any of you business travelers found a way to get your companies
>to pay for park admissions?
>
>I'll be there from Feb 13 through Feb 19.

	Does't this depend on whether your advisor subscribes to
	rec.arts.disney ? :-)

>Mark
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Date: Wednesday, 6 Jan 1993 14:59:55 EST
From: Laura Kittleson <LAURA@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Jafar.... hmmmm


In article <Thor.18@biophysics.uwaterloo.ca>, Thor@biophysics.uwaterloo.ca (God
of Thunder) says:
>
> Oh yeah,
>
>Is it just me, or did anyone else think that Jafar looked a little like
>the Grinch (side view)?
>
>Just wondering.
>
>Thor, the Biophysicist.


Yes, he had the same wonderfully flexible mouth with the expressively
evil corners.  And the same sort of pointy upper lip.  So THAT'S
who he reminds me of!

Laura K.
laura@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: TLM questions (was re: rec.arts.disney)
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:58:58 GMT

In <2587@usna.NAVY.MIL> wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:

>Another Little Mermaid question:

>I keep seeing people write about `Eric's kingdom.'  In BATB the locale is
>explicitly stated to be France; and if one looks for details (the hunting
>lodge, the beer steins, etc.) one can surmise more specifically that the
>story takes place in some place like Alsatia.  How about TLM?  Could Eric's
>kingdom perhaps be a real place?  The most logical candidate would perhaps
>be Denmark, but can anyone cite evidence from the film that this is indeed
>so?

Actually, my guess was Holland.  I think I remember seeing a windmill in
the background.....?  Then again, I've never been to either place, so what
do I know?  :)

>Senri no tabi mo ippo yori...

While I'm here, I might as well ask:  what is that?  something about stepping
out of your socks?  Boku wa Nihon'go ga mada heta desu ne!


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From: reyna@devl.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: rec.arts.disney
Date: 4 Jan 93 03:07:29 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
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    I have an interesting question that has been keeping me up nights:
Concerning The Little Mermaid.  It seems that Ariel and the mer-people are not
too fond of eating fish and other sea creatures (the Sea King despises humans
for this bad habit).  So anyway, my question is this: After Ariel marries
Prince Eric, will their meals ever include fish ?  It seems that Eric's
kingdom is by the sea, so that the folks in general will eat plenty of fish
there.  What does Ariel think of this?  And how will she handle the idea of her
fish friends being eaten by the kingdom folk?
    I know that this is a silly question, but has anyone else stayed up nights
wondering about this very thing?
From: ept2@bunny.gte.com (Ed Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Winnie-the-Pooh episode list
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:50:25 GMT
Organization: GTEL


Howdy, folks!

Would anyone happen to have a complete New Adventures of Winnie-the-Pooh 
episode list that they could post?  It would be most appreciated!  


Thanks in advance!

--Ed
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From: swiffenr@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Major inconsistencies in BatB....
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:28:31 GMT

In article <Bz23C4.C4F@news.udel.edu>, daffy@freezer.cns.udel.edu (christian
wright) writes:

> BTW, Maurice coming back for Belle may figure into it also, as there isn't
> any way he could have survived a long period of time in that weather.  

Here's a thought:  How come Maurice is stuck in a blizzard, while not far away
(presumably) Belle and Beast are sitting outside _under_the_stars_ without a
cloud in sight???  (Well, maybe there is, I can't remember).

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From: jcichock@ep.ieee.org (J Cichocki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Daughters of Triton
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:58:20 GMT
Reply-To: jcichock@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY

PJR
Please don't get huffy over the names of the daughters of Triton. If you listen
to the tape and you know it's pronounced alana, how would you know how to spell it.
That's it and that's that!!
JEFF
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Just Saw Alladin...
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:20:30 GMT

In <29018@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:

>In article <athos-301292011330@kip2-50.apple.com>, athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>> 3) Can we get a woman who doesn't look like Belle/Ariel/EveryOtherWoman?

> Just a couple of minor nit-picks...

> first, how old were Ariel and Belle supposed to be - Ariel was what 16? Far 
>from a woman in my mind, Belle? Not much older I suspect...

Disney said that Belle was supposed to be a bit older, like around 21
probably, if I remember the LA Times article correctly.  Whether 21
makes a female a woman is your opinion.  I'd like to think it's a matter
of maturity, and not age.  In that case, Belle would be a woman IMHO.

>Second find me a
>single female who honestly looks like either of these women - much like the
>artificially enhanced women of say playboy, these characters had little in
>common with real women - I suspect that if a young lady with eyes that took
>up a third of her face walked into a bar near you you'd probabyl not find her
>more than a bit freakish...

When I read that, I thought he just meant that the last three heroines have
looked a bit similar.  I didn't think he meant that they resemble your
average female.

Besides, the guy who drew Jasmine (what's his name?  Keane?  Henn?  I can't
remember) patterned her looks after his sister....


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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: Just Saw Alladin...
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:05:06 GMT
Reply-To: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
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In article <uslave.726182430@mcl> uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!) writes:
>
>Disney said that Belle was supposed to be a bit older, like around 21
>probably, if I remember the LA Times article correctly.  Whether 21
>makes a female a woman is your opinion.  I'd like to think it's a matter
>of maturity, and not age.  In that case, Belle would be a woman IMHO.
>
	The most interesting thing about the WIP LaserDisc that
Disney put out was that we got to see the early conceptions of
both Belle and the Beast. In the storyboarding, Belle looks VERY
young, on the order of 12.

	In the rough-sketch prologue, we see the picture of the
prince as the beast slashes it with his claws. That picture also
has a much younger face, possibly even 11, and leads me to think
that Disney really did mean the "10 years we've been
rusting"/"his 21st year" the way that we thought. He was 11 when
the enchantress came to him and he threw her out, also making him
21 now.
	-- Ethan


"I have never seen one of these intact before... This is the
famous dead-sea tupperware"

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From: Ben.Magid@launchpad.unc.edu (Ben Magid)
Subject: Re: rec.arts.disney
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:16:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.234712.19470@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> f012@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu writes:
>>    I have an interesting question that has been keeping me up nights:
>>Concerning The Little Mermaid.  It seems that Ariel and the mer-people are not
>>too fond of eating fish and other sea creatures (the Sea King despises humans
>>for this bad habit).  So anyway, my question is this: After Ariel marries
>>Prince Eric, will their meals ever include fish ?  It seems that Eric's
>>kingdom is by the sea, so that the folks in general will eat plenty of fish
>>there.  What does Ariel think of this?  And how will she handle the idea of her
>>fish friends being eaten by the kingdom folk?
>>    I know that this is a silly question, but has anyone else stayed up nights
>>wondering about this very thing?
>>
>Personally I've always wondered what the heck they ate if they didn't eat
>fish....seaweed, seaweed, and more seaweed, I guess.  Pretty bland diet.
>Judging by their bodies, though, a suitably nourishing one...
>
>The one that keeps me up nights is, where are Eric's parents?  They weren't
>even at the wedding...if he has no parents, why is he Prince and not King?
>Unless he has a brother who is King, but even so you'd think he'd be at the
>wedding......the overall feeling you get is that 'the kingdom' is Eric's
>kingdom, but in that case he should either have parents or be the King...
>
 I noticed that he should be king, but since this is a "kids" movie
it would put Eric in less an equal position. He would be more like the kids
father and less like brother/peer. Ariel being a princess also would make a
generation gap. Plus all fairy tails have prince/princess main characters.

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From: SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET (Tad Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Jessica Rabbit Store?
Date: 5 Jan 93 08:23:00 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services

In article <prw-010193174428@kip2-45.apple.com>, prw@apple.com (Paul Wenker)
says:
>
>In article <1992Dec22.214130.3617@nic.csu.net>,
>jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle ) wrote:
>I think the store you're looking for is Jessica's.  It's on Pleasure Island
>at
>Walt Disney World.  To quote Birnbaum's guide, "A novel character shop
>where
>the merchandise is themed around the vampish Jessica Rabbit of 'Who Framed
>Roger Rabbit'."
>-Paul Wenker
>-Apple Computer, Inc.
Sorry, but I can difinitively state that Jessica's is no more.  :(

But, most of the stuff they had left supposedly got sent to the Character
Warehouse in the Belz Factory Outlet Mall.  E-mail me if you need directions,
but your hotel will probably be better at it.
I haven't been there to check out what they have, since I called and they were
sold out of the jacket i wanted.  :(
-Tad
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Major inconsistencies in BatB....
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:42:10 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1993Jan7.222859.78217@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> f012@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu writes:

>Well, it's probably due to that same little rift in the normal time-space
>continuum that makes the Beast's castle get closer and closer to Belle's
>village every day...IE, first time it took Maurice a whole day to get there on
>Philippe, by the end of the movie the villagers & Gaston got there in about 6
>minutes (judging by the length of the song.. :) walking...

Yeah.  Next you'll be telling us that the Executor in "The Empire Strikes
Back" had big ol' speakers attached to the outside of it, and every time
they showed the Star Destroyer, Vader had them playing "The Imperial March"
so those of use outside could hear something. :-)

You can't use the length of a song to judge how much time goes by in the
story.  The people aren't singing as they storm a castle.  Takes to much
energy, prevents you from hearing what's going on around you, etc.  It's
just very counterproductive.  The music is there for OUR benefit only.

>You know, as I write this I just thought of something else - the castle
>changed directions from the village, didn't it?  1st time Maurice rides off
>into the countryside, but last time the mob goes THROUGH the villiage first...
>:)

Well, the first time Maurice wasn't heading FOR the castle.  He was heading
for something else (forget what, some inventor's convention or something :-)
and he got *lost*.

Also, perhaps the mob could have gone through the village first so that they
could get things like bats, poles, torches:  your typical castle-storming
equipment?  Or do you think they all carried them wherever they went?  "Yeah,
guys, and after we get the looney taken in, we'll go storm a castle somewhere."
"Herbert!  I've told you a hundred times I don't want you taking that pitchfork
with you everywhere you go!  You could fall down and impale yourself on that
thing!"

All with a very big :-), of course.

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From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Mickey's Nutcracker
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Jan 93 00:43:14 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

Kevin, the "Tuff Hedelman fan" wrote:
 
 THf> Mickey's Nutcracker? I must have my head in the clouds because I
 THf> haven't heard of this. Can anyone tell me more about it,
pppllleaasse?
 
It is the Christmas season stage show put on at Disneyland.  I think '92
was
its second year.  During December '92 it also appeared on the Disney
Channel
about 3 times, taped at DL.

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From: jcichock@ep.ieee.org (J Cichocki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Aladdin wishes
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:46:05 GMT
Reply-To: jcichock@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY

Sorry for all the posts today, but I had some extra time at work and ideas are just
popping in my head.

On his third wish, why doesn't Aladdin wish for more wishes? Is this something only
Jafar would wish for and not someone as likable as Aladdin? Did the Genie go over
this during the rules for making wishes? Just a thought.

Jeff
From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Even MORE about teacup reproduction (was Re: Just Saw Aladdin...)
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:02:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <1993Jan12.054405.23475@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal) writes:
>In <7!-3-qp@rpi.edu> riouxp@rs6225.ecs.rpi.edu (Peter Joseph Rioux) writes:
>
>>maybe chip was born after the enchantment.. ugh!.. if you want to get technical..
>>which you are... the actual stress fractures couldn't account for the amount of space that it takes for chip to come out...not to mention the stress that chip wound have since his head is hollow...

The characters looked pretty flexible to me!  Couldn't Chip have
come out of Mrs. Potts' top?  Anything is possible.  This is getting
kind of sick, you know. ;-)

>>and btw what DOES happen first b4 you get babies?......:)

I think that you get all big and round in the belly, or something
like that.  Am I close?  I've no idea what comes before that,
though.  I only know what Disney movies tell me. :-)

>So is this why Chip is, shall we say, less than perfect?
>
>Tim Pickett

Well, I believe that he was a little boy when he was cursed, so his
chip came from a chip in his tooth.  I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt
that Disney meant to imply that any of the teacups were born after
the spell was cast.  If Chip were, for the sake of somewhat funny
speculation, I'd favor the asexual reproduction theory someone set
forth (forgot who).  It looks like it was the little teacups who
divided, not Mrs. Potts.  But where would they get the necessary
minerals?  From some type of "primordial porcelain soup?" :-)


- Robert Cook
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From: scmj@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Christine Johnson)
Subject: Re: BatB question
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:41:08 GMT

My sister and I have been debating the Beast's age question as well.  It
has bugged me since I first saw the movie.

Her theory is that the prince was 16 in the painting.  Since animals do
not age the same as humans, the prince only aged one year for every two
while he was the beast. 

My problem with her theory is that animals generally age FASTER than humans
(what is it - dogs age 7 or 9 years for every one human calendar year?)

I think the prince looks younger in the painting than he does when he is
transformed, however, he does not look 11.  About his parents - the same
question has been raised about Prince Eric's parents in Little Mermaid.
Well, being royalty is a tough business - it's possible they were all killed
in some coup or something.  Maybe it was the same coup... maybe I'm getting
off track here.

:-)

-- 
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