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Subject: FIG Chapters
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:11:32 GMT
Organization: (n.) to be organized.  But that's not important right now.


 Date: 04-03-92 (15:15)              Number: 30936 of 30936 (Echo)
   To: RICH BELDYK                   Refer#: NONE
 From: JACK WOEHR                      Read: NO
 Subj: COMMENT                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
 Conf: FORTH (58)                 Read Type: GENERAL (+)

 -> I am trying to organize a FIG chapter here in S.E. Ohio, any
 -> suggestions?

         1) Try to have regularly-scheduled meetings at fixed location,
 if possible. Mail out meeting announcements about a week and a half
 before meetings.

         2) Many newspapers give free advertising space for
 special interest groups; take advantage.

         3) Always have a topic/speaker for a meeting.

         4) Encourage chapter members to belong to FIG.

         5) Keep in touch with John Rible of Santa Cruz, CA, the
 Forth Interest Group Chapter Coordinator.

         6) Post notices of your meetings on ForthNet (e.g., on
 this BBS, in Conference #1) so that out-of-towners who might
 be in your area will think to drop by.

                 =jax=

 NET/Mail : RCFB Golden, CO (303) 278-0364 VESTA & Denver FIG for Forth!
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Subject: Forth language vendors
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:09:36 GMT
Organization: (n.) to be organized.  But that's not important right now.

Category 4,  Topic 1
Message 51        Tue Apr 14, 1992
E.RATHER [Elizabeth]         at 22:00 EDT
 
RE standardizing THROW codes:  the TC passed Mitch's proposal.  They are
standardized.  Next?
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Date: 13 Apr 92 12:08:27 GMT
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Category 1,  Topic 2
Message 179       Sat Apr 11, 1992
LRWEBBER [larry]             at 21:17 EDT
 
Stefan,

I started using GENIE because there is a local access number. I live in a town
of 30,000 and I wouldn't pay long distance charges. I continue using GENIE
mainly for this (FIG) category. I also have some other hobbies which have
areas on GENIE. It would be nice to _NOT_ have $6.00/hr charge but I obviously
pay it. BTW, about 50% of GENIE is base charge ($4.95 a month I think. This
includes EMAIL. I sure wish the FORTH area was base charge. Oh well.
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Subject: MVP Forth & Topo Robots
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:11:29 GMT
Organization: (n.) to be organized.  But that's not important right now.

Category 7,  Topic 39
Message 1         Mon Apr 06, 1992
S.SQUIRES                    at 02:47 EDT
 
There is a person who has some Topo Androbots which are controlled by MVP
Forth on an Apple II using the serial port.  She now wants to run it on an IBM
which has MVP Forth as well.  Is there any serial port support words in MVP?
How do these conmpare to the Apple II version?

  Will pass on any info.  -scott

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Subject: Forth Dimensions - the FIG journal
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:34:03 GMT
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Category 1,  Topic 5
Message 16        Mon Apr 06, 1992
LRWEBBER [larry]             at 20:51 EDT
 
I wanted to take the opportunity to congradulate FIG on last FD. The  type of
articles interests me greatly. Being a user of several PD Forths ( all listed
in G. Kelly's comparison) were VERY interesting to me. It also gave me some
basis of comparison against some commercial systems. Very good.
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Subject: Feedback to the Forth Interest Group
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:33:48 GMT
Organization: (n.) to be organized.  But that's not important right now.


 Date: 03-24-92 (18:41)              Number: 30887 of 30896 (Echo)
   To: DENNIS RUFFER                 Refer#: NONE
 From: JERRY SHIFRIN                   Read: NO
 Subj: FEEDBACK TO THE FORTH INT     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
 Conf: FORTH (58)                 Read Type: GENERAL (+)

 DR>Sure glad you added the quotes on "cheap" Eric, since at $6/hour GEnie is
 DR>cheaper than I pay to call outside the LA area.  When you measure costs,
 DR>please don't forget the long distance charges that most people incur when
 DR>calling these services.

 Not to knock GEnie, which definitely has its place in the
 telecomunications universe, or to start a "mine is better than yours"
 war, but $6 an hour for a slow, rather primitive system isn't much of
 a bargain compared to typical long distance rates [I pay $6.60 an hour
 for MCI's SuperSaver plan.  I believe AT&T's Reach-out America plan is
 similar] and professional BBS's.  I think you'll find that the GEnie
 user interface and Aladdin suffers in comparison to a good BBS which
 supports QWK mail readers and Robocomm.  I can download a QWK mail
 packet in roughly half the time (often much better) that Aladdin can
 pull mail from GEnie.  I also have a lot more choices for mail readers
 (all of which are far superior to Aladdin in my opinion).

 I believe GEnie's strength is that it provides a single, centralized
 point of access for lots of people.  While the national/international
 BBS networks are pretty good and getting better, they don't yet
 provide as much coverage as GEnie.  OTOH, it's pretty primitive in
 just about every other aspect, especially performance!
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Subject: FIG Chapters
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:13:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: willett.3277.UUL1.3#5129
Organization: (n.) to be organized.  But that's not important right now.


 Date: 04-06-92 (21:33)              Number: 30989 of 31006 (Echo)
   To: JACK WOEHR                    Refer#: 30936
 From: RJ BROWN                        Read: NO
 Subj: COMMENT                       Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
 Conf: FORTH (58)                 Read Type: GENERAL (+)

 Hey Jax, I am inter5ested in whether there exists a fig chapter in
 either Cincinnati Ohio, or Dayton Ohio.  I am getting ready to start a
 consulting gig in Cincinnati, and would be in town to attend meetings if
 there were any.  Who do I ask.  (My FIG membership died a couple of
 years ago due to inability to be active anywhere, but the interest still
 remains.)  Also, I see you are speaking in Rochester this spring.  I
 hope to get up there and meet you in person.

 NET/Mail : LMI Forth Board, Los Angeles, CA (310) 306-3530
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From: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us (Doug Philips)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.forth
Subject: Re:  Mixed-language programming
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:22:02 GMT
Organization: (n.) to be organized.  But that's not important right now.

[I can no longer recall to whom Mitch was responding... --dwp]
In article <9203271735.AA25280@mitch.Eng.Sun.COM>
	Mitch.Bradley@Eng.Sun.COM (Mitch Bradley) writes:
+> I am building up ammunition for a flank attack on a few
+> "C programs are good, everything else is bad" people.

+The Forth community has suffered from the opposite "Forth is good,
+everything else is bad" attitude.  My strategy for the past few years
+has been to make Forth and C work hand-in-hand, showing C programmers
+how Forth can be helpful as a tool within their environment.

I think Mitch has made a good point.  Satisfying as it may be to engage
in Holy Wars about languages (and language related issues), real progress
will be much easier if we can get past the antagonism and let people see
Forth's advantages.

-Doug
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From: pazsan@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Bernd Paysan)
Subject: Re: ANS Forth
Originator: pazsan@hphalle9c.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:32:24 GMT


Thanks, Mitch, for the explaining. But you are not right:

>> So the following solution will not work:
>> 
>> VARIABLE #TIB
>> CREATE TIB 80 CHARS ALLOT
>> VARIABLE BLK
>> 1024 CONSTANT B/BLK
>> 
>> : SOURCE ( -- addr u )
>>   BLK @ IF  BLK @ BLOCK B/BLK  ELSE  TIB #TIB @  THEN ;
>
>It wouldn't work before either, because of EVALUATE .  TIB has to
>point to the beginning of the string to be evaluated, and that
>string is not limited to 80 characters.  Furthermore, it has to
>point to the beginning of the current line from a text file, and
>text files must support 128-character lines.

: EVALUATE  ( a*x addr u -- b*x ) #TIB PUSH  >IN PUSH
  OVER + TIB - #TIB ! TIB - >IN ! INTERPRET ;

Hellau! It works! At least on my old F83... Certainly #TIB doesn't
contain the length of the interpreted string, and TIB doesn't point to
it, but F83 gets it into its mouth! I'd like to redefine SOURCE again,
because not the total source string is interessting, but the remaining
string: Add  >IN @ /STRING at the end of SOURCE. Then you will always
get a string with positive length.

The problem I have with the new solution is: My bigFORTH TIB is hanged
on a daggling pointer, as my blocks are. Now there is some information
about other TIBs and the max. length before it, so TIB looks like

USER >TIB	\ points to daggling pointer
: TIB  ( -- addr )  >TIB @ @ $14 + ;

Now it would look like:

: TIB ( -- addr )  BLK @ IF  BLK @ BLOCK  ELSE  >TIB @ @ $14 +  THEN ;

But, by the way, this shortens SOURCE, and this code has to be executed
anyway, so it is acceptable.
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Subject: Feedback to the Forth Interest Group
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:08:31 GMT
Organization: (n.) to be organized.  But that's not important right now.


 Date: 04-10-92 (14:06)              Number: 31029 of 31033
   To: STEFAN BAKER                  Refer#: 31028
 From: ANIL RODRIX                     Read: NO
 Subj: FEEDBACK TO THE FORTH INT     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
 Conf: FORTH (58)                 Read Type: GENERAL (+)

 Didnt quite answer you - I started with FIG and Valforth on the Atari ;
 and have had the Uniforth sampler, looked at Zen and Pygmy, on the PC,
 and have Forthmacs which I need to examine to decide whether to
 register, for the Atari St.

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Subject: Forth on-line resources
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:13:45 GMT
Organization: (n.) to be organized.  But that's not important right now.

Category 14,  Topic 4
Message 124       Fri Apr 10, 1992
D.RUFFER [Dennis]            at 22:38 EDT
 
Re: dwp@willett.pgh.pa.us (Doug Philips)

 > How does FIG decide what stuff it will make available that way?
 > (I am assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that so far FIG has just
 > taken anything anyone has has handed them).

Assuming you are talking about the "Contributions" library that FIG carries in
the mail order form, you are essentually correct. Whatever someone wants to
contribute can be submitted by the author and we will most likely carry it.  I
think there is a little bit of a review process and a bit of a govenour built
in on how much we can handle at any one time, but basically if you submit it
we will add it to the list.

The key phrase there is that it must be submitted by the author.  A few years
ago, when we were first talking about doing this, I did package up most of the
files we have here on GEnie.  The problem we ran into was that we really
didn't have permission to sell those files.  It is really a tricky legal issue
when we offer these files for sale and our decision was to only do it for
direct submissions from the authors.  That way, we never have to worry about
the author coming along and demanding royalty payments or anything like that.
It's not the same as just carrying them in a general library that can be
downloaded by anyone.  We collect a fee directly for the sale of the disks
(although we don't make much profit), whereas on GEnie all we collect is
general usage fees which can not be broken down by type or activity being
performed.

So far, anyone who has asked for the entire library with the goal to set up
another ForthNet link, they have been either sent the entire thing or given
free access to GEnie to get it.  The _only_ requirement I have for doing that
is that the link is a two way street.  I have no desire to give away the store
to someone who is not going to share what they get in return.  I guess I
wouldn't be opposed to someone who wanted to extend the concept to "physical"
delivery mediums under the same guidlines, but they would have to deal with
the legal issues that we have choosen to avoid.

   {B-{)>   DaR
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Subject: What should the Standard include?
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:08:37 GMT
Organization: (n.) to be organized.  But that's not important right now.

Category 10,  Topic 30
Message 179       Mon Apr 13, 1992
B.DUNN5 [Brian]              at 04:12 EDT
 
 
 About FIG making some semi-standard wordsets:

 Would it be enough if all the more popular files online GEnie and available
from FIG were converted to ANS Forth and used the 'FIG wordsets' for things
such as structures, arrays, and graphics?  And if the wordsets were published
in glossary form in Forth Dimensions, and used for future articles? These are
about the only places where it would be an issue anyhow.


 Why to have a standard for structures when they are so easy to do:

 For the same reason why a file standard would be great, even though open-file
might be a 2 line interrupt in CODE...  We want to be able to write source for
public use, without having to tell everyone what our own particular structures
words are called and how to make them every time we use them.


 I have started a topic on GEnie discussing windows and graphics, and we might
as well start one for arrays and structures.  These may be defined using high
level ANS Forth words.  Now that memory allocation is included, arrays which
are allocated at runtime are possible.

 A list of function and special key names would be useful too.

Also, ways to define tasks, assign them actions, and make structures and
arrays of tasks.  Another topic?

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Date: 13 Apr 92 12:08:22 GMT
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 Date: 04-07-92 (11:18)              Number: 31007 of 31027
   To: ANIL RODRIX                   Refer#: 30985
 From: STEFAN BAKER                    Read: NO
 Subj: FEEDBACK TO THE FORTH INT     Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE
 Conf: FORTH (58)                 Read Type: GENERAL (+)

 AR   I think the Genie conferencing and message base are a good thing,
      but I dont require them for now.

        Ditto.  I belong to America Online and like it a lot.  It still
 costs me some money every month.  However, for a central point to pass
 files, etc. without having to burden the echo, it might be quite good.
 The monthly is $5.95 and the hourly is $4.00 (off-prime -- 6pm-6am).  How
 does that compare to GEnie?  I've been told that it is quite good.

 AR   I'm not sure if I receive all the messages, but I think I do.
      Whether all mine go out ( very very few) I'm not sure.

        Well, you're being received here in Indy.  |-)

        Which Forths do you use.  I have HS Forth and, of course, F-PC.

        Regards,
        Stefan

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Subject: Feedback to the Forth Interest Group
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:33:21 GMT
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Category 1,  Topic 2
Message 146       Wed Mar 25, 1992
B.DUNN5 [Brian]              at 03:24 EST
 
How about something like the Forth-83 tagboard card summarizing the words and
their actions, which was once and might still be available from FIG?

Is there a way someone can see what words are in the proposed standard at the
moment without that particular microsoft format and without ordering the
official book?

I just want to convert my system to ANS and start writing programs for it, and
tools which can be uploaded here without being outdated in a few months.

Also, if anyone else shows an interest in this FIG wordset standards idea, I
would like to upload some portable examples of some proposed windows and
graphics standards.

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Subject: What should the Standard include?
Date: 12 Apr 92 13:13:34 GMT
Organization: (n.) to be organized.  But that's not important right now.

Category 10,  Topic 30
Message 177       Thu Apr 09, 1992
B.RODRIGUEZ2 [Brad]          at 22:44 EDT
 
With all due respect to Mitch Bradley -- and he deserves an ample amount! --
he touted his file standard for years before I ever heard of it, and I'm not
exactly out of touch with the community.  (I promptly bought a copy once I
heard of it.)  I think the lesson here is that presenting something at a FORML
or Rochester is not sufficient publicity.

We've talked about this before, Dennis: _how_ can we establish a forum for
discussing and publicizing would-be standards?

Brad Rodriguez
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Date: 8 Apr 92 12:33:12 GMT
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Category 1,  Topic 2
Message 141       Mon Mar 23, 1992
L.ZETTEL [Len]               at 21:51 EST
 
 Got home from the X3J14 meeting to find my catalog for Public 
 Brand Software (and five inches of snow) waiting for me.  
 Looked through it and there wasn't any Forth (surprise?) and 
 then a thunk struck.
      Suppose FIG submitted a PD Forth or two to them for 
 distribution?  Included on the diskette, of course, would be a 
 DOC describing FIG, Forth Dimensions, and the GEnie board.  You 
 want outreach, that would be outreach.  Any revenue loss 
 because somebody ordered it that way instead of direct from FIG 
 would, I am sure, be more than offset by the advantages of the 
 exposure.
                        -LenZ-
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From: smill@polari.com
Subject: Re: Forth in print
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix (206) 328-4944
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:07:41 GMT

In article <3231.UUL1.3#5129@willett.pgh.pa.us> ForthNet@willett.pgh.pa.us (ForthNet articles from GEnie) writes:

>The book comes with a disk
>containing all the programs described  in the text, including real and complex
>arithmetic library, a  FORmula TRANslator (latest edition), matrix stuff, FFT,
> polynomial regression, differential equations, roots of  equations, numerical
>quadrature, Monte Carlo methods, etc.

	What format are the disks? MS-DOS, Mac, etc???

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