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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: FMW (was Re: The Sheik an
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <htanabe.718908648@ponder>, htanabe@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe) writes...
>In <2824.137.uupcb@ssr.com> dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer)  writes:
> 
>>A certifiable lunatic.  He used to wrestle for New Japan in the
>>lightheavyweight division.  He had a bad knee injury though and it
>>severely hampered his mobility.  He then started his own group, with
>>this new style.
> 
>Onita was wrestling for All Japan.  According to Katz, he still has a bad
>knee, and Baba just didn't want him back.
> 
>Hisaharu


    Actually, this whole question of the Japanese promotions is fascinating.
Since some people here on RSPW seem to be more knowledgeable about Japanese
wrestling, I motion for somebody to post a brief overview of the current
operating Japanese promotional groups, including things like who owns/books
them, who their top stars are, how they got started (or how old they are),
etc.  I thought it was interesting that Onita was a Lt. Heavy let go by
All Japan after an injury.  I'd be interested to hear more of this sort of
thing.  I, like others, have only gotten seriously into the Japanese scene
in the past year and info like this would be invaluable to understanding
what's going on in Japanese wrestling.  It doesn't have to be very long, just
an outline.

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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: Company Men
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:45:58 GMT

The question was whether Greg Gagne defended the WWF Jr. Heavyweight Title
some time around 1980.  Looking at that title's history (which may still
have holes) around that time-frame, we have:
 
  WWF Jr. Heavyweight Title

  01/20/78   Jose Estrada (defeats Tony Garea in tourney)         New York
  01/23/78   Tatsumi Fujinami (defeats Jose Estrada)              New York
  10/02/79   Ryumi Go                                             Osaka
  10/04/79   Tatsumi Fujinami                                     Tokyo
  12/  /81   VACANT - Fujinami moves to Heavyweight division
  01/01/82   Tiger Mask (defeats Dynamite Kid)                    Tokyo

Perhaps Greg was challenging Tatsumi Fujinami for the title on that 1980
card?

                                                                      Herb...
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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: Sheets
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:17:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.160036.20443@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dkempste@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David N Kempster) writes:
> What I do think is offensive and inappropite is the habit that almost everyone
> here has of not attributing where they got information. Even the net heros 
> fail to give their sources. I think everyone should make an effort to say 
> where they got thier information. 

  Suppose, for example, that you get information from a couple of sheets
  a couple of newspaper columnists, a few people on the net, and a few
  people off the net.  Suppose further, as will generally be the case,
  that these sources give conflicting information on many of the week's
  "top" stories or results or that each supplies a part of the overall
  puzzle.  Suppose even further that most of these sources are only
  supplying hearsay anyway.  Would you really post a note citing exactly
  who said (read: heard) what or would you piece together the different
  stories and compose an overall picture of what may actually be true,
  using past inaccuracies or obvious falsehoods to eliminate certain
  information from certain sources and using other knowledge you may
  have to help fill out the puzzle?  

  Sometimes, though, for a given story all sources mirror the Observer,
  but who's to say that while some of them may be using the Observer
  as their source others may just have the same source as the Observer.
  It's almost impossible to tell where any information comes from as
  reported anywhere unless that person actually says that he/she 
  personally spoke to (someone) and was told (something).  And nobody
  ever does that regularly in the pro-wrestling news business, unless
  you believe in the mark magazines.  

  The only time we know specifically where information comes from is
  when somebody with a single source (Observer, ML Curly, etc.) posts
  verbatim the text of that source with regards to a particular story
  (and even here we aren't privy to how Meltzer or Curly pieced together
  their stories).  In certain cases (e.g. ML Curly) the net police don't 
  care and in others (e.g. Observer) the net police do care.  In either
  case, I don't care and this is the only post I will ever make on this
  topic.
                                                          Herb...
From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Re: Scott Steiner New WCW TV Champ
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:59:27 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1atdtlINNsd9@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, kipilman@cats.ucsc.edu (Lou Kipilman) writes:
>In article <Bvnuqu.C69@askinc.ask.COM> robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
writes:
>>Plus, the Steiners have wrestled faces before without turning--remember
>>the near-classic versus Sting/Luger (which was brilliant until the 
>>Dicks [er, Hardliners]) hit the ring? 

>Are you referring to the SuperBrawl I match? Nikita Koloff rushed to the
>ring with his Russian chain, with the intent of hitting Luger. Sting
>shoved Luger out of the way, got smacked with the chain, then proceded
>to brawl with Nikita out to the parking lot. Hardliners weren't even
>around then, I think.

Ooooooooops!!!!!!  You're right!  I got confused...it *was* Nephew Nikita who
attacked Luger/Sting and screwed up the great match versus the Steiners.  The
match I was thinking of took place during a Clash when the Hardliners 
attacked the Steiners immediately after an IWGP title defense against Hase
and Chono.

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From: a0cb@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Stan Stasiak
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:46:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6231
Organization: Portland State University, Computing Services

raoul@fangio.wa.com (Jeffrey E. Benedict) writes:

>Think about it- whacking someone's heart as hard as you can. The first
>time I saw Stan do that, I had a friend hit me on the sternum and
>it hurt like *HELL*. (I *did* admit I was stupid :))
>
>Anyone else have Stan Stasiak stories??

I have a couple. I have seen Stan the Man 'put out' a ton of the big boys
including:

	Mr. Perfect (When he was just Curt H.)
	Billy Jack Haines
	Rip Oliver
	The Masked Assasin

to name a few. Pretty funny actually!

-Chris
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From: macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika)
Subject: Re: WCW TV Taping: Scott Steiner TV Champ
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:43:02 GMT

In article <BvrH5x.3o2@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel) writes:
>(Herb Kunze) writes...
>
>>  It's not exactly clear to me that the Steiners lost the titles via the 
>>  30 day rule.  That was the North American explanation, but in Japan
>>  the Steiners were supposed to defend against Hiro Hase & Keiji Muto
>>  and with Scott injured, Rick teamed with Scott Norton for that match
>>  fot the IWGP Titles.  Rick got pinned with the Northern Lights Suplex.
>>  I don't know if Rick & Scott Nortn were officially defending the titles
>>  or if the titles were held up with the winner of this match getting
>>  them.
>> 
>>                                                            Herb...
>
>
>    The Steiners *did* lose the titles to the thirty day rule, in a roundabout
>sort of way.  When Scott got injured, they were unable to defend in the 30 
>days, so IWGP declared the titles vacant.  In that way, the North American
>explanation was correct.  But then, in a move that would have made Stanley
>Blackburn blush, IWGP declared for no good reason that Hiro Hase and Keiji Muto
>would wrestle Rick Steiner and a partner of his choice for the vacant titles.
>Rick, of course, chose Scott Norton.  Hase/Muto won the match and the titles.
>

This sounds like the Apter explanation...

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From: macika@emunix.emich.edu (Dominic Macika)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Hart Bros?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:28:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: zip.1992Oct9.162817.20400
Organization: Eastern Michigan University

In article <1992Oct9.042357.8421@nuscc.nus.sg> art30248@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG LING LING) writes:
>
>Lastly, my $0.02 worth on the Midnights sprucing the WWF tags,...
>remember what happened when the Midnight Rockers turned up and had the
>ability that Cornett's men did ? What happened ? They jobbed often,
>featured in opening matches and never won a title.
>

Sure they did.  Vince just changed his mind and took it back from them.



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From: ba446@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Todd M. Hanson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Net gods! Finally, vindication...
Date: 15 Oct 1992 03:48:10 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ba446@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Todd M. Hanson)
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In a previous article, ventura@camelot.bradley.edu (Brian Wawczak) says:

>About a year ago, I was involved in a flame war because I called Sean Ryan a
>"net god". I was flamed for this remark by everybody and their brother.

Boy.. talk about over-simplification.  Obviously poor Brian doesnt even
KNOW why he was flamed into oblivion last year... (I'll give you a hint..
it had nothing to do with Sean Ryan)

>The irony is that the term "net god" hasn't been used since I used it last
>year.

Thats funny.. I think I see that term used at least, oh.. a dozen? times a
day in various articles, on various newsgroups (including rspw)

Brian.. stroke your ego someplace else...  Im sure there's a newsgroup for
it somewhere.

Todd

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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Subject: Re: Champs of Asia & Mexico as of 10/1
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:38:28 GMT

In article <htanabe.719113192@ponder>, htanabe@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Hisaharu 
Tanabe) writes:

> Well, this might be little "markish," but since some people like this kind
> of stuff, I'll post this list of current title holders of the promotions in
> Asia and Mexico.

F**k 'em if they think it's "markish", Tanabe, let 'em press "N"!  This stuff
is great, and I, for one, noticed a couple things I hadn't heard of...

> Japan

>     CWA(Austria) Intercontinental
>       Heavyweight : Tatsumi Fujinami

When did this happen?  Has Fujinami held the Catch title for a long time,
or did he win it recently?  In fact, I thought I read recently that some
guy named Rambo (from France, not the guy in Portland) was Catch champion...
details?  OBTW: I always thought the Frog one should be "Rambeaux" so we
can tell the diff...     ;-o   ;-@   ;-()   ;-|

Is Fujinami gonna have to do a job for big fat ol' Otto Wanz eventually (just 
like Inoki, this guy won't go totally away, either...)?

>       Tag Team        : Gregory Veritchev & Tarzan Goto

Kind of a clash of styles, eh?  At least if Goto is still acts the wacky
heel.  I've only seen Veritchev once, and he seems so serious...

> Korea

>     NWA Oriental
>       Heavyweight : Lee (I don't know his first name)

Is it Tiger Chung Lee?  That's the name the guy I'm thinking of used in
the WWhiFf when he was over here, but he used a different name <blah-blah>
Lee in New Japan last year, right?

Thanks for the info...

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From: htanabe@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: NWA Jr. Heavyweight Champ?
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:55:24 GMT

In <1992Oct12.041046.27872@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Im a Joker Im a Smoker Im a Midnight Toker) writes:

>Anyone here remember the NWA Jr Hwt Championship, I remember some old
>Cowboy named Nelson something and some young jobber (Denny something)
>always trying to generate heat for this "fued", and then Lazertron/Guerrero
>beat this kid and thats the last we heard of it.

Talkin' about Nelson Royal and Denny Brown?


>Jeff Hawkins......only person in America who enjoyed the Hardliners and
>liked the Steiners getting their ass kicked by real men....if the Steiners
>leave, I hope they get raped by Patterson

I prove that you're wrong.  I also enjoyed watching the Hardliners although
they didn't/couldn't do as much as they actually could.

Hisaharu
From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: [WCW] Tony Atlas
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:07:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

(Otto Heuer #3) writes...

>Gawd... it's weird seeing Tony Atlas as a heel.  Growing up,
>the few people I never would have picked to do a turn would have
>been Curt Hennig, Tony Atlas, Tommy Rich, and Mr. Wrestling II.
>As far as I know, only the fourth has never turned (though he was
>starting to show a bit of a heel-ish nature when Tommy Rich won
>"Fan's favorite wrestler" vote and won the trophy.

    No, Wrestling II has played the heel several times.  Without getting
another silly thread going, I recall he feuded with Magnum T.A. in the
mid-South over a North American title shot.  Also, he played a major heel in
the Continental area a few years back.  He was being interviewed by Joe
Pedicino at one point, and Joe said something II didn't like, so II threw a
cup of water into Pedicino's face.  Cool stuff.

>Sigh... anyone NOT expecting the "spinner's choice" with all the
>talk they're giving it?  Of course, that might just be what
>Watts is planning.  Make everyone THINK it'll be spinner's
>choice, then have one of the others get spun instead.

   It's great to actually *not* be sure, isn't it?  Anyhow, Jake said at one 
point that if "Spinner's Choice" came up, a snake would be involved and that
Sting would definitely be bitten.  That's specific enough to convince me
that "Spinner's Choice" will indeed come up.  The loser?  Us, the fans, 
because any match involving a snake will be a gimmick match in which actual
wrestling will be secondary.  Oh well.....

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From: lhstone@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Louis "Big Lou" Stone)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Intercontinental Champion
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:39:07 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

The InterContinental Title was created because of the natural tendency
in the WWF (back then) to have a face champion for long periods of time.

With this being the case, there was never much glitter behind some of
the 'lesser feuds'.  The InterContinental belt was created to be a belt
that swithced hands more frequently to add some excitement to the WWF.

And I think it did.. after all the Honkey Tonk Man was the greatest
Intercontinental Champion of all Time!   He did an admirable job as a heel
champion and held the belt for a long time (long for the IC belt anyway).
Meanwhile Hogan could keep the World Belt for all the little Hulkamaniacs.

That may be another advantage to the strap.  It allows heels to acheive
some sort of golden glory other than in the tag team ranks.  (allowed I should 
say..   long live Ric Flair!).

-Da LouMeister

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From: v070qg5d@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Eric M Chmiel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: WCW TV Taping: Scott Steiner TV Champ
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:13:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BvrH5x.3o2
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

(Herb Kunze) writes...

>  It's not exactly clear to me that the Steiners lost the titles via the 
>  30 day rule.  That was the North American explanation, but in Japan
>  the Steiners were supposed to defend against Hiro Hase & Keiji Muto
>  and with Scott injured, Rick teamed with Scott Norton for that match
>  fot the IWGP Titles.  Rick got pinned with the Northern Lights Suplex.
>  I don't know if Rick & Scott Nortn were officially defending the titles
>  or if the titles were held up with the winner of this match getting
>  them.
> 
>                                                            Herb...


    The Steiners *did* lose the titles to the thirty day rule, in a roundabout
sort of way.  When Scott got injured, they were unable to defend in the 30 
days, so IWGP declared the titles vacant.  In that way, the North American
explanation was correct.  But then, in a move that would have made Stanley
Blackburn blush, IWGP declared for no good reason that Hiro Hase and Keiji Muto
would wrestle Rick Steiner and a partner of his choice for the vacant titles.
Rick, of course, chose Scott Norton.  Hase/Muto won the match and the titles.

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From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: How to make the WWF better (10 ways if possible)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:01:09 GMT

In article <BvtwBt.I5o@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, cadesjar@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Curtis Desjardins) writes:
> ========================= Fluffy the Wonder Bunny ============================
>       "Kendo!"  <clap, clap, clap>     "Brazos!"  <clap, clap, clap>
>       "Kendo!"  <clap, clap, clap>     "Brazos!"  <clap, clap, clap>
> ================== cadesjardins@descartes.waterloo.edu =======================

  This was actually a very funny part of the trios match involving Los
  Brazos vs. Kendo, El Gran Hamada & Blackman.  Kendo is a pretty amazing
  wrestler.  The crowd really likes him and gets into chanting his name
  and follwing it by three claps.  Kendo leads the three claps by 
  flapping his hands three times.  So, at the beginning of this trios
  match, Kendo was in the ring and the crowd started "Kendo!" <clap>
  <clap> <clap> chants.  The Brazos got mad and left the ring and 
  started making their way down the aisle.  This killed the crowd and
  the Brazos started up their own chant of "Brazos!" which the crowd
  immediately picked up and followed with <clap> <clap> <clap>.  After
  the chant picked up a bit, Brazo de Plata cracked a big smile and
  the Brazos returned to the ring.  As soon as they got in, the crowd
  switched back to the "Kendo!" chant.  The Brazos left again, and the
  whole thing was repeated.  We just loved Brazo de Plata's facial
  expressions throughout all of this.

                                                               Herb... 
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From: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: NEW WWF WORLD CHAMPION
Reply-To: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:28:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.200226.3865@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, jmwojtal@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Wojo) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.161029.1779@orbital.demon.co.uk> bobh@orbital.demon.co.uk (Bob Hutton) writes:
>>Hopefully this will get out sufficiently quickly to stop me from looking
>>silly. Further to my post concerning The L.A. Times report that Bret
>>Hart had taken the World strap at last Saturday's L.A. House show, this
>>has been confirmed, unless I'm being wound up something rotten.
>
>I wouldn't doubt it being true.  Giving Flair a short title reign is something
>McMahon would do if Flair was just a carry over champion (pray it is so :->).
>But why Bret Hart, a man who lost the IC strap over a month ago?
>
>>
>>Apparently Hellwig has been getting a bit demanding so they've decided
>>against an immediate title run for him.
>
>Will he be just beating Flair for fun now :-).
>
>>The title will apparently go,
>>Hart, a heel (unknown), Backlund, setting up Backlund .v. Hogan for The
>>WrestleMania 9 Main Event.
>>
>>Hope this gets out quickly and is correct.
>
>It shocked the hell out of me.  But I'll believe it when I believe it (tm).
>
>
>
>
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What are the odds that Razor Ramon'll beat Bret Hart between Survivors and
Royal Rumble? This would explain the immediate push Razor Ramon's gotten.