From: wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:50:03 GMT
Organization: Toronto Stock Exchange (by the time this gets there)

In article <1992Aug14.164847.19499@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines) writes:
>
>>Why is the U.S. a better place than Canada for blacks to live ?
>
>Because how many Canadian chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff R black?
>How many Canadian Government officials are black?

Canada has had and still does have Blacks in prominent government positions.
To name a few - Lincoln Alexander, Zanade Akande, Carl Masters.

Most Canadian blacks (at least the ones I know) are immigrants or first 
generation Canadians. I suspect that immigrants may have a lower 
participation rate in politics.

The average person (black or otherwise) will not enter into politics, so 
this is peripheral at best.

>How many Canadian Black people are there?

Relevance ??

>Does Canada spend as much money on black people as the U.S. (NOT).
>

On a per capita basis it might. Don't forget that Canada (the gov't) 
has universal health care and subsidized education for everyone. This 
would have to be considered as well. Where are your statistics or 
reasonings.

BESIDES, the issue is the living conditions, not the amount of money spent.

>
>>In which country is a black male more likely to be incarcerated ?
>
>Tell them to stop committing crimes.
>
>
>>In which country is a black male more likely to be murdered ?
>
>
>By another BLACK man? Remember my previous argument against Silly
>Bigot Sistah's thesis: Black people are killing BLACK people every day.

See comments below.

>
>>In which country do blacks have a lower life expectancy ?
>
>Canada

This I doubt very much ! Where is your evidence for this.

>
>
>>In which country is a black child less likely to get an equitable 
>>education ?
>
>We have Head Start. 

I'm talking about results, not programs. Again, in which country is a
black child less likely to get an equitable education ?

>
>
>>In which country is a black child more likely to grow up in a demoralizing
>>ghetto, an urban war zone ?
>
>It's the violent black people that vandalize and kill in these areas.
>Your home is what YOU make it. You spray painted the wall, can't blame
>whitey. YOU smoked crack. Can't blame whitey. YOU carry the nine. Can't
>blame whitey for your alternative choices as an individual.
>
>>In which country is a black more likely to be subjected to demoralizng 
>>drug profile stops, police harrassment and brutality ?
>
>So if a black person is using drugs in the United States police are
>supposed to look the other way?

Even if U.S. blacks were to blame for the conditions (higher urban crime, 
greater incarceration rate of black males, more police harrassment, drug
profile infringements) it is IRRELEVANT to this thread. The point is that
these conditions are worse in the U.S. for blacks, than in Canada for blacks.
Even if U.S. black culture was to blame (which it is not), then it would be
better for the AVERAGE black child to grow up in Canada than in the U.S.

The high population in the U.S. (compared to Canada) has provided greater
opportunities for blacks in certain specific areas - music, television, and
professional sports. Also, black entrepreneurs delivering services/products
to blacks would probably have greater opportunities in the U.S. (although free
trade, and NAFTA may even things up). Nevertheless, these *advantages* are
of no avail for the vast, (staggeringly vast) majority of blacks. 

Middle-class blacks are probably more or less equally well off in both 
countries. (I know of middle-class black Canadians who like the U.S. 
because of the larger black population, greater number of large cities 
to choose from, and the lower taxes. I know a greater number of 
middle-class black  Canadians who cannot stand the U.S. because of crime 
and racism they have experienced during visits there.)

I definitely think that poorer blacks, and working-class blacks (the 
overwhelming majority) are better off in Canada than in the U.S. for 
the reasons I stated previously. 
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		Wayne Hines 
		wayne@tse.uucp