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From: hildin@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (kathleen.a.hildin)
Subject: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:27:37 GMT
Keywords: how much?


I've been reading this newsgroup for quite a while
now and found it to be full of useful information.
I'm very happy to announce that I'm 16 weeks pregnant.
I've been off caffeine since before I got pregnant - and haven't
missed it.  But now I find I would really love to have a cup!
What I was wondering was how much caffeine would/would not
be considered safe during pregnancy?  I've consulted 
_What to Expect When You're Expecting_, and when I went
for my first prenatal I told my doctor I was off caffeine
so she didn't say much about it.
So..... I was wondering if I could get some hands-on advice (so to speak).
How many of you mothers-to-be, and mothers out there have
had caffeine during your pregnancy?
How much caffeine does decaf coffee have?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks.

Kathy (due Feb, 93!)

Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Names
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 19:16:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Summary: nickname experience, from "Bob"

In article <c3sZqB2w164w@glnserv.UUCP> kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon) writes:

[other good stuff omitted]

>We named our son Leon Henry, after his 2 paternal grandparents. My husband
>let me choose the order of them, and I liked Leon better than Henry so
>that was the way I decided it would be. For the first few months of his
>life, she insisted on trying to call him "(Little) Henry" and "Lee". We
>corrected her every time, and she finally has come to grips with the fact
>that his name is Leon. (Many people did ask us if his nickname would be
>Lee. I can't figure out why he "needed" a nickname.)


Here, I can offer some experience.  My name has always been Robert.
From birth, everyone called me "Bobby" (except my maternal Grandfather,
but that's a different story;-) Somewhere around age ten, I decided
I had 'outgrown' Bobby and chose Bob.  I am/was glad I had other choices:
Rob, Robb, Bert(!), even (too formal for me) Robert, and variations of my
middle name, as well. For me, this became a passage, a part of growing up
that I was in control of, and IMO, a good thing.
If I'd been "Robert" as a baby, I'd probably have missed that, since
choosing a diminutive was *not* what I needed at ten.

My brother Don would probably echo my opinion, having gone thru the
equivalent process.


ObST:  this all started when Keith asked for opinions about choosing
Geordie LeVar, should their new child be a boy...

My suggestion?   Geordan "Geordie" LeVar Gatling.  If, eventually, he
*hates* ST:TNG, he can choose 'Jordan'...

Be sure to send a birth announcement to LeVar Burton c/o Paramount!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:55:25 EDT

In article <-yxny3f.obrien@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
writes:

   > Be sure to send a birth announcement to LeVar Burton c/o
   > Paramount!

Well...as a matter of fact, we wrote to him to see if he knew if Geordie had
a middle name, since the character is named for a real person.  Today we
received a letter from his assistant telling us that as far as they know yet
Geordi (and they do spell it with only the "i") doesn't have a middle name,
since they haven't gone into much of his past yet, but that could come up in
some future episode.  They also wished us an easy pregnancy and delivery.

You can be sure that if it is a boy and we name it anything close to Geordie
LeVar (yeah, Cheryl's back to considering using LeVar after all...we've
gotten used to hearing it), we'll send him a birth announcement.
Organization: Alumni Relations, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:44:44 -0400 
From: Dana Lindsay Rinehart <dr18+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pregnant and wedding rings too tight
	<1992Sep14.143010.20443@bcrka451.bnr.ca>


Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada writes:

>Me too.  I took my wedding ring & (stoneless) engagement ring off, and
>put them in a "safe hiding place".  It was such a good hiding place, that
>even I forgot where they were :( . They are somewhere in my house, but
>I have not seen them for about 8 years now.

Sounds like it's time to move into a new house!  You'd be amazed at what
you find when you start emptying drawers, closets, the basement, kitchen
cabinets, the freezer......
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Trick-or-treating; what age?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 09:20:54 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper) writes:

>
> I was just wondering, at what age did you take your first child
> trick-or-treating?  My daughter will be just over 2 this halloween,
> and I'm not sure whether to take her or not.  I tend to think not, but
> 2 years ago my sister and I took her 25 month old trick-or-treating,
> and he really enjoyed it.  He was also able to get excited about it
> ahead of time, and I'm not sure my daughter would understand enough
> to get excited.
>
>                                      Lynn Cooper

Part of this answer depends on what kind of neighborhood you live in. I
have never taken my 9-1/2 YO daughter trick-or-treating. We have either
managed to go to a party or sometimes we just stayed home. I consider the
possible effects of something going wrong too major to trust my kid/s to.
She has indeed wanted to go, but there are too many crazies in the world
today. Fortunately her school has a carnival on the last Saturday of
October (it's the 31st this year!) where the parents run various booths
and rides. It's great fun and fairly cheap too. Her little brother (now 2
YO) liked it too.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: sandya@hpfcmdd.fc.hp.com (Sandy A)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Children's Book-of-the-Month Club
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:17:58 GMT
Organization: HP Mechanical Design Division

I joined this club a couple of years ago because I wanted to get some kids
books, even though I don't have kids yet.  The application asked for the
name of your child, so I put "Buster."

After awhile, "Buster" started getting all kinds of mail...stuff for
more book clubs, learning stuff, even college financial aid information.
A bit premature for a kid that doesn't exist yet!

I quit after several months (don't need *that* many kids books with no
kids!).  Then I got a bunch of mail from them trying to get me to join
again.  They seemed to lay on a guilt trip: "Don't you care about Buster's
education?  Don't you care about your child's future?" 

I almost wrote them a letter saying Buster died, and it was too painful
to see the books come in the mail, but I didn't want them to feel bad
or worry about the death of a child that never existed.  

The books were good -- got some old favorites and some I'd never heard
of before.

Hope this doesn't mean I'll actually have to name my kid Buster...
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: toddler carseats
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 09:03:32 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:
> My son is four and still in his carseat.  He is a small kid, so he hasn't
> outgrown it yet.  I feel, why rush him, he's safer there as long as he
> can fit comfortably.  It isn't some milestone to outgrow a carseat, just
> safety.  Well anyway, to Lady Dragon's question, most of the booster
> type seats are rated for 35 or 40 lbs, or more.  My son is not quite
> 35 lbs.  Can any of you net.parents tell me, as Lady Dragon said,
> what you have found to be the best one?  And is it as safe as a
> carseat??  As I said my son fits in his carseat just fine, (it's
> rated to 40 lbs), although after four years the plastic on it is
> quit torn, so it looks like it has been though hell and back.  No
> cracks in seat itself, just in the plasic upustory.  My husband and
> I have been debating on getting a new one or a booster type, but I
> still keep feeling like he is safer in a full carseat as long as
> he can fit.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not so much of a milestone in that "my little boy is growing up". For
me, it's more of getting back the use of the passenger's front seat in my
car. His baby-style carseat doesn't fit in the backseat, because of the
seat belt design in the back. So when the family wants to go somewhere, my
husband and I must talk over the seats (one of us in front and the other
in back), and my husband doesn't fit very well in the back. So it would
simply be easier when he grows up to the booster-style carseat.
If the upolstery is torn, you might see to having it recovered by a friend
who sews or pinning a towel over the torn parts.

* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: wendy@milton.u.washington.edu (Wendy Grant)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:50:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.182152.16615@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>Then there are all those Wendys born in the
>mid to late 50s, as a result of parents having seen Peter Pan...I wonder
>what they think of that.
>
  
  As one of those 'Wendys' (born in 12/55), I can tell you that I hate
it. I always wished I had a more 'grown up' name or that
Wendy was just a nickname instead of my real name. Thus I have
resolved that if I have a daughter, her name should be something
like Elizabeth so that she has a choice of nicknames and then a 
more formal name if she wants to use it when she's older.

Wendy Walter     (who wishes that she was named Chris or Kate
                  when she was growing up.)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:06:05 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow?

In article <1992Sep15.103421.22891@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher) says:
>
>
>What experiences have others had with baby hair?  People keep telling
>us it is going to fall out.  Is this the norm?  If it does fall out,
>about how old is the baby when it happens?  I know that every baby is
>unique, but if you have a hair loss or hair kept story, I'd love to
>hear it.
>

Douglas was born with a light cover of hair on his head.  It never really
completely fell out.  At about 7 months it turned from light brown to
very blonde.  He has great curls (both my husband and I have naturally
curly hair).  It's just now, at one year, getting long enough that we
really feel like we need to brush it.  His daycare providers all gush
over it.  My hsuband wants to let it keep growing and put it in a pony-
tail, I'm not so sure :-) !

Chris Himes
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From: 91babik@gw.wmich.edu (Lisamarie Gemma Babik)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:22:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Western Michigan University

Oh, I don't know.  It's a problem to have a name that's too unusual.  It's 
a problem to have a name that's too common.

In my case, I was born a Lisa.  There were a buzillion Lisas here already, 
but that didn't daunt my mother.  Problem is that I ABSOLUTELY HATED my 
name.  For starters, I couldn't even say it (a little speech impediment as 
a kid).  Once I kicked that problem, it just seemed like there were too 
many of us.  So, when I reached Junior High (the almighty age of 
rebellion), I told everyone I met (including teachers) that my name was 
Lisamarie (which is actually a combination of the two).  My mother hated 
it, but came to tolerate it over the years.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I spend half 
my life explaining to people that it's Lisa(no space and no capital 
m)marie, and the other half explaining to people that it's not Ann Marie or 
Theresa Marie, but I *like* my name now.  People, once they hear my name 
tell me that they really like it.  It's unusual now, but not terribly so.

Anyway, the moral of the story is.....if the kid hates his name, he'll 
change it...

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
         "On rare occaisions I find a little meaning in my life,
                      and wonder how it got there..."

________Lisamarie "Rifa the Insane" Babik_________91babik@gw.wmich.edu_________
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Crib recommendation wanted
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:30:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BuBnJ0.BK8@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, weller@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Bonnie Weller) writes...
>I have been looking for cribs for a few months now and still cannot
>decide on one.  I am due in 5 weeks so I need to get on the ball.  I
>am looking for a good quality crib.  I am willing to pay around $200
>to $400.  I would like as many of the following criteria to be met:
> 

Sorry I can't help you, Bonnie.  You know way more about it than 
I do, and it sounds like you know exactly what you want.

My husband dislikes cribs, due to the kids he's know who have 
climbed out of them, sometimes falling and getting hurt.

He wants us to have a playpen instead of a crib and have the baby 
sleep in the playpen.  He says they're safe and much harder for 
the baby to climb out of.  This is our first, as if you couldn't 
tell.

What do the experts think of this?

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Names - nicknames
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:18:55 GMT

In article <56082@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney) writes:
>
>YES! In fact, the Margaret/Peggy confusion is the reason that we named
>our kids Kim and Kate -- not Kimberly or Kathleen or Katherine -- just
>Kim and Kate -- with no middle names! 
>
>I'm Peggy everywhere except my passport and drivers license -- and often,
>when paying by check (imprinted with "Peggy") and producing a drivers  
>license for verification (issued to Margaret), I have to explain that
>Peggy is a nickname for Margaret. 
>
>The kicker is that my parents (now dead) used Peggy in their wills, 
>leading the lawyer to comment that it's a good thing I have a good relationship with my sister!  
>
>Oh -- and to add to it, my husband, Edward Joseph, has always been known
>as "Joe" to distinguish him from his father who went by Ed. So he too
>was all for giving our kids simple names. 

My best friend in high school, Vicki, always assumed that her real name was
Victoria. She used it on all her official forms. Then in her senior year
she needed her birth certificate for something, and discovered that her
real name *was* Vicki. She was really surprised. She asked her parents about
it and they were pretty surprised too. They forgot all about it, and had
no idea why they used Vicki instead of Victoria. I guess that thoose sort
of things happen when you have 10 kids.

Laura Floom

>
>Peggy Sweeney
>
From: mma@thumper.bellcore.com (Mary Ma)
Subject: Medical Insurance and Hepatitis B vaccine
Reply-To: mma@thumper.bellcore.com (Mary Ma)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 12:53:56 GMT

Quick survey question:  I was informed this last weekend that my medical
insurance (Medigroup in NJ) will not pay for the hepatitis vaccine.  My
ped told me this while he was giving my daughter her checkup.  Is this 
true or is Medigroup giving me yet another reason to switch next year?
I was also told that the vaccine, given in three parts, will run about
$200.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ashelton@encore.com (Amy Roberts Shelton)
Subject: Re: Puppy Surprise
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:14:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.165716.37194@watson.ibm.com> rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin) writes:
>In  <1992Sep11.151208.20292@ttinews.tti.com>  reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>> Let me get this straight.  You bought the toy knowing that it might
>> have only three puppies, it said so on the box, and when it did, you
>> felt you had been cheated?
>
>The box says 3, 4 or 5, and I believe that the box shows a picture of 5. A 
>five year old does not understand that most of the boxes will actually have 
>3. This is not a $5 or $10 doll, it goes for $30 in most stores.  If they 

Listen to the commercial next time you see it.  They clearly state at the
end that only 1 in 5 (I think that's right, the number may be wrong) 
will have either 4 or 5 puppies.  So only about 20% will have more 
than 3.  A lot of people probably don't pay that much attention to 
the commercial, so it would be nice if they had that fact clearly
marked on the package in a place where you couldn't miss seeing it.
Does anybody know if this is marked on the package?

I think the surprise in the number of puppies is a marketing gimmick
to get more people to buy this toy.  If you are lucky and get 4 or
5, you feel you're getting more than you paid for.  Most people
will be satisfied with the 3, knowing they took the luck of the draw.

I am curious though as to why you called the toy company saying your
child was very upset she didn't get 5 puppies, when your post said
she didn't seem bothered at all.  

Amy Shelton
Encore Computer Corporation
Huntsville, AL

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gayle@disk.uucp (Gayle)
Subject: Re: Impact of the absent father
Organization: Digital Information Systems of KY
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:34:52 GMT

judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:

> Spousal abuse
>along with infidelity are reasons for FAULT divorce.  FAULT divorce is easy.
>The victim gets everything.)
>Judy Leedom Tyrer

Oh really? Which country are you in? 
Gayle Vincent

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Subject: Re: Skin problems during/after pregnancy
Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:15:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.151351.24514@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> cma@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (christine.m.dakes) writes:
>In article <SKATZ.92Sep14160756@kariba.bbn.com>, skatz@bbn.com (Susan Katz) writes:
>> There has been some mention recently about skin changes during and
>> after pregnancy.  I had several different minor skin changes, and I
>> was wondering if anyone else experienced these.  During pregnancy I
>> developed very small blisters (pinhead-size) on my hands and fingers.
> (...)
>> The second problem I had was that I developed one plantars wart during
>> each of my two pregnancies.  Those were the only one's I've ever gotten.
>(...)

My wife had a severe case of hives right after Tommy was born. It lasted for
about 4-5 weeks and she had a terrible time coping with it (early summer, and
heat made matters worse). The doctors told us it was stress-related and not
uncommon, particulary for first-time mothers.

>A hormonal thing?

My wife's sister, who has a history of melanoma, is still not sure about having
kids. Her dermatologist told her that due to hormonal changes during pregnancy
there could be a recurrence of melanoma. So it seems that some skin problems are
stress related and other may be triggered by hormonal changes.

Just my 2 cents.

Martin
-- 
Newsgroups: misc.kids,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa,alt.activism
From: rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:"Missing out" (was. re: Justin...)
Date: 9 Sep 1992 12:19:24 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In response to Ben Wolfe's post on negative effects
of drugs during labor, Liz Attree ends with:

Sorry, it made me mad.


I just wanted to say ditto, and amen.

-Dena
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 09:27:39 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364) writes:

> In article 27889@informix.com, alison@husky.informix (Alison Suggs) writes:
> > 
> > Around here (East Bay, SF Bay area), daycare in a center, for infants,
> > is between $115 - 135 a week.  I didn't think those were outrageous.
> > 
> > Also, I'm astonished that people find those rates too expensive.  For
> > a 45-hour week, that's not even minimum wage.  How can we expect to 
> > receive outstanding child care for our children when we do not show 
> > the caretakers how much we value them by paying them a living wage?
> > 
> > Alison
> 
> But what about those who can't afford that (single parents or people who make
> 
> I have three in day care and it costs $246 a week plus $9 activity fees, $15 
> I'm kinda looking forward to my oldest going to school next year.
> 
> Serena

You also have to remember that a caregiver, taking care of 6 children at
115 a week, makes 690 a week, that's about 15 dollars an hour.  They don't
make their money on just your child.  They make it on all the children
that they care for.  For those parents in low wage jobs it is difficult
to pay 115 a week for day care when they only make about 200-300 a
week.  I, myself have run into this problem.  In order to get a job
in my profession, (TV), I would have to commute pretty far away.  After
my son was born, I just didn't like the idea of commuting and being so
far away from him and gone so many hours in the day.  So I left my job.
Since that is about the only type of thing I'm qualified to do, I'd have
to start out in a 7 or 8 dollar an hour job doing something else.  Then 
putting out 3 dollars an hour for day care, I'm down to making 4 to 5 an
hour, and for that I can't be with my son during they day.  I have to weigh
that loss with the extra money I make.  I came to the conclusion that the
extra money isn't worth it, so we tighten our belts a bit and live on my
husband's income. (He's an engineer so it isn't that bad).  Now, I understand
that many women don't have that choice, because for them the money they make
isn't "extra".  So, I find it sad that they have to work their butts off only
to net about 5 dollars an hour, and they still don't get to see their
children.  Of course if they are in a minimum  wage job they are then
working for about 1.75 an hour based on that 115 a week for day care.
OUCH!


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