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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:15:28 EDT
From:         "Michael J. Strait" <STRAIT@UMUC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: AERA Committee Meeting

On Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:22:35 MST Gene Glass said:
>not being able to make the meeting, but if anyone cares to act as
>proxy, he or she might nudge discussion toward my favorite topic:
>Why aren't we creating an electronic journal? Not a newsletter,
>not a digest, but a full-blown archive of papers written by
>researchers and deposited on a LISTSERV for retrieval by one and
>all. As one who has edited three scholarly journals over the
>years, I am amazed that they still exist. The seem an illogical
>anachronism, held together by the fact that they serve  only the
>personnel system of the universities. Their cost and their pace,
>the unreliability of the editorial decisions, their politics--all
>of these are shortcomings that today's technology can correct. I
>am envisioning a system in which anyone who wishes to archive
>their work for general accessibility can do so by sending it
>electronically to a central address; ERL-L could serve as well as
>any. An "editor" would quickly review format and then archive the
>work. As each new "paper" is archived, an announcement is sent to
>all subscribers; further, a cumulative abstract of all papers is
>maintained, which can be retrieved and scanned by anyone who is
>interested.

I would really like to see Gene's suggestion played out her in ERL-L,
although I believe we should not limit ourselves to a document
archival system.  I think we should have that AND peer reviewed
electronic journals.

Michael J. Strait, Ph.D.                    Phone: 202-879-9646
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:31:00 CST
From:         REYNOLDS@TCUCVMS.BITNET
Subject:      you got through

you got through to Fort Worth Texas.
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:24:44 -0900
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From:         Jan Marie Conitz <JNJMC@ALASKA.BITNET>
Subject:      CDN NEWS: Gbanks

"WHAT I HAVE HEARD ON THE NEWS:

GRAND BANKS

I heard a good editorial story on the Grand Banks.  It said that foreign
fishing was not the only culprit in destroying the Grand Banks.  Canadian
commercial fishing is also doing great damage to the Banks.  Big Canadian
trollers are mining the sea as well.  They use these drag nets that scoop
up everything in their path.  The nets drag along the bottom of the sea
doing damage to the sea bed life."

The type of fishing referred to here is TRAWLING.  It is also practiced
here in Alaska with similar results.  We have anothere fishery here
that is actual TROLLING, in which hooks and bait or lures are dragged
through the water to attract salmon, very similar to sport fishing
methods.  The troll fishery in Alaska is now restricted to the Southeast
Alaska coast; it is historically a fishery occupied by smaller boats,
and independent fishermen & women, often fishing alone, or with only one
crewmember.  The troll fishery is right now struggling to survive
against pressures from the larger fisheries, competition from "sport"
charter fishing, and an environmentalist attempt to close the ocean
areas outside of Glacier Bay National Monument to all fishing.
Trollers sometimes wonder if the frequent confusion of this fishery with
the larger and more destructive TRAWL fishery is behind apparent
attempts to shut them down.

Jan Conitz
Haines, Alaska
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:37:00 EST
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From:         ELLI8369@SNYPLAVA.BITNET
Subject:      questions?

Hi...I have a couple questions that I was wondering if anyone could answer.

1.  Does chelating phosphates have any affect on the hydrolizing of them?
    Does it change their effects of lakes or the rapidity of the effects?

2.  For new refrigerants, does anyone know the ramifications of HCF2Cl
    incomparision to CF2Cl2?

Thanks:)

Dawn (elli8369@snyplava.bitnet)
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Subject:      Please disregard...checking net

Please disregard. We are checking network functions.
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:06:50 EDT
Reply-To:     holman@AMETHYST.BUCKNELL.EDU
From:         holman@AMETHYST.BUCKNELL.EDU
Subject:      Request for help from Bio profs/students
X-To:         biosph-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

Question #1
Can chemicals such as triethylaluminum (used in Napalm) change the ph of
soil?

How about hydrogen cyanide, phosgene, and chlorine?

If anyone has informaiton on how chemicals such as these which are used in
chemical weapons affect the soil, I would greatly appreciate receiving a
message from you!

Question #2
Can anyone cite dates and places of chemical plant accidents such as
Bhopal?

Thanks,
holman@amethyst.bucknell.edu
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:38:00 EDT
Reply-To:     Jeremy Whitlock <WHITLOCK@MCMASTER.BITNET>
From:         Jeremy Whitlock <WHITLOCK@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Free Radicals, and Why the Excitement?

Howard Meyerson writes:

  > Just because free radicals are found in everyday life doesn't mean
  > that additional free radicals are good for us.  I'll use Professor
  > Frank Schiavo's favorite line: If someone robs your house, does
  > it make you feel better to know that you were killed too?

This same arguement is often applied in the low-level radiation debate.
The nuclear and medical (incl. dental) industries go to great pains to show
you that a given exposure is some small fraction of your annual background
exposure, while radiation opponents come back with the above counter-point.
On the contrary, I think the important message is not that additional
radiation (or free-radicals) is harmless, because that is up to the
radio-biologists and bio-chemists to say, but rather that all the fuss made
over the increases might be little out of perspective.

Marianne Dugan writes:

  > From what little I've read about irradiated foods, on top of its
  > as yet uncertain effects on human health, and even apart from its
  > certain effect on the environment around the irradiation plants
  > proposed, ...

Whoa.  What "certain effect on the environment around the irradiation
plants"?  Irradiation facilities use an isolated, shielded source.  Please
elaborate.

  > ... to me its very worst aspect is that it allows the
  > nuclear industry yet another reason to keep producing nuclear
  > waste....

Whoa again.  The only reason the nuclear industry has for keeping producing
nuclear waste is that it is a byproduct of producing electricity in their
reactors.  End of story.

But on the subject of "ulterior" motives, it seems to me certain groups are
focusing on food irradiation for reasons other than food irradiation itself.
(Perhaps they stand the most to lose if the term "picowave" were used
instead...)

Jeremy
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CANADA   L8S 4L8
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:21:59 +1000
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From:         Stacey Poulson <stacey@GIS.WSC.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE
X-To:         biosph-l@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu

I recently put in a request for being unsubscribed to this list,
unfortunately I sent it to the wrong address as a result I received
a few inconsiderate messages from other users.  It is disappointing
to find out that people who supposedly care so much for our environment
can't give helpful hints instead of rude and unwelcome comments to a
fellow human.

Thanks but no thanks for your comments!
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:17:27 CET
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              usually Rafal Maszkowski"
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From:         "SGofNCU,
              usually Rafal Maszkowski"
              <SGUMK%PLTUMK11.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject:      Ozone
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Does anybody know anything about the ozone damage? Are there any
discussions dealing with this problem?
One of the astronomers in Torun is planning to watch the short
UV radiation. He has problems with finding of apropriate filters.
Does anybody know about such ground based or space based observations?

Thanks

Rafal Maszkowski
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:50:33 -0600
Reply-To:     Eric Peters <elpeters@LAMAR.COLOSTATE.EDU>
From:         Eric Peters <elpeters@LAMAR.COLOSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Free Radicals
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Allen Gordon writes:

>As far as I know, gamma radiation is ionizing, which produces free radicals
>the life time and effects of which are not well understood or at least agreed
>upon.

There are plenty of other sources for free radicals in everyday life, and
not just due to radiation or chemical additives, either.  For example, parsnips
and a number of related plants contain anti-herbivory chemicals which result in
free radical production when the herbivore is exposed to UV light after
 consuming them.  Humans and other animals have radical scavenging enzymes to
 mitigate free radical damage.

In addition, the production of free radicals is believed the cause cancers
only when these substances react directly with DNA.  Free radicals coming from
outside the nucleus (or even outside the cell in the case of irradiated food)
will react with other molecules in the cell long before they can reach DNA.
Directly irradiating the DNA will damage it because the ionizing radiation will
produce various radicals FROM THE WATER ASSOCIATED WITH THE DNA MOLECULES
THEMSELVES.  Such radicals do not have to penetrate through the histones
surrounding the DNA to have an effect.

Eric


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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:11:59 GMT-4
Reply-To:     TBOSTON@PVEC.BRIDGEWATER.NS.CA
From:         TBOSTON@PVEC.BRIDGEWATER.NS.CA
Subject:      glass recycling
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Greetings,
     This message concerns the operation of recycling programs,
glass in particular.  I am part of a volunteer group involved
with recycling glass in the Bridgewater, Nova Scotia.  Recently I
have been informed that Consumer's Glass, in Moncton, New
Brunswick will no longer be receiving clear, furnace ready glass.
     Currently our group has a stock of about 30 tons with no
place to ship to.  Apparently the plant in Montreal is going to
be receiving clear glass.  But they will not be taking green.
The problem with this is the high cost of shipping almost twice
the distance.  Previously, our shipping was covered by the
municipality, but now, due to spending cuts, we have received our
last subsidy.
     As a result we are considering making our last shipment and
getting out of the project until the situation gets better.
     I am wondering if anyone is experiencing similar
difficulties or could suggest an alternative buyer of furnace
ready glass either in the Maritime provinces or New England
States.


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Internet  TBOSTON@PVEC.BRIDEGWATER.NS.CA
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:02:52 EDT
Reply-To:     Stewart Rowe <usr2210a@TSO.UC.EDU>
From:         Stewart Rowe <usr2210a@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Plastics Recycling
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According to literature from Procter and Gamble, some progress is
being made. Several of their liquid detergent bottles now contain
25% recycled plastic. P & G had apparently subsidized the development
of processes (and maybe the facilities) which permit this.
  According to their literature, more brands will be added as soon as
collection and reprocessing volume supplies enough material.
  As I'm sure you know, the type of plastic used is coded on the
bottoms of many types of bottles, especially 2-liter soft drink
and gallon and half-gallon milk bottles. There was an item in
the N. Y. Times the other day about a sensor which will permit
automatic sorting of types (not by reading the numbers, but by
some optical test, I think.)
  Here in Ohio, the state requires that each county must reduce
the weight of waste to landfills by 25% (I forget the target year,
but it is soon). Separate collection (so far voluntary) of
recyclables is being carried out by many municipalities here, and
the major waste collector/disposer in our county has built a facility
to sort and pack recyclables for shipment to reprocessors.
  It's a beginning.
        -Stew Rowe usr2210a@tso.uc.edu
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:53:00 MST
Reply-To:     "aames@ducair (Alan Ames)" <AAMES@DUCAIR.BITNET>
From:         "aames@ducair (Alan Ames)" <AAMES@DUCAIR.BITNET>
Subject:      re: dolphin-safe tuna

Although I quit eating tuna two years ago, I remember a couple of factoids
regarding the dolphin-safe issue.

1) Albacore (or "white") tuna is caught using a method which is dolphin-
   friendly; it's more expensive, though.

2) The "dolphin-safe" labels were originally an industry creation, subject
   to their regulation and monitoring, as a preemptive move against
   governmental standards.

3) The large tuna companies engage in both dolphin-safe and dolphin-unsafe
   practices, and produce dolphin-safe tuna primarily for the U.S. market
   only.  Thus, although buying dolphin-safe tuna _would_ create a larger
   market demand for such tuna (and presumebly a smaller market for other
   tuna), it was argued that the economic leverage on the large tuna companies
   was reduced because of the input economics of their mixed practices.

If any one has updates or corrections regarding this info, please post.

Al Ames
Univ. of Denver
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Subject:      Plastics Recycling
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As time pushes on and garbage piles up, there has to be a viable a
alternative to landfilling our solid waste.  Recycling has been proven to be an
 excellent alternative to this for glass, aluminum, paper, and to a lesser
extent plastic.  I believe that plastics are an important part of our lives.
They meet the needs of many industries and consumers.  A recent study actually
 ashowed that people are more likely to recycle a plastic beverage container
over a cardboard one.  This is a very positive sign to the improvement of
our solid waste crisis as long as plastic containers with their recycling
codes on the container become more common place.  I believe plastics are
better than cardboard for many uses since the cardboard tends to be coated
with materials that hinder the recycling process.  If anyone has ideas or
information concerning plastics recycling please let me know as it will
greatly assist me on the project I am working on. Thanks.
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:10:17 EDT
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From:         holman@AMETHYST.BUCKNELL.EDU
Subject:      Dioxin
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OK all of you dioxin people-
Can any of you tell how dioxin affects water.  Does it dissipate or
persist?  What are the health aspects?  What does it do to the chemical
structure of soil?

If anyone has info on these, throw it at me, I'm interested.

Thanks,
holman@amethyst.bucknell.edu
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From: gordon@tramp.Colorado.EDU (GORDON ALLEN R)
Subject: Re: Irradiated Foods
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:31:44 GMT

elpeters@LAMAR.COLOSTATE.EDU (Eric Peters) writes:

>Yours is a common, misconception, Howie.  Irradiating food does NOT make
>it radioactive.  Cobalt-60 produces high-energy gamma radiation (also beta
>particles, but those cannot penetrate the food, as they are stopped in the
>air on their way to the food).  The gamma radiation kills bacteria, molds,
>and other microorganisms that cause the food to spoil.   The only way to

As far as I know, gamma radiation is ionizing, which produces free radicals, 
the life time and effects of which are not well understood or at least agreed
upon.


-- 
Allen Gordon 		         *If the folly of but one of us was changed to*
Research Associate         	 *intelligence, and divided amongst a thousand*
gordon@tramp.colorado.edu   	 *toads, each would be more intelligent than  *
				 *Aristotle				      *
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:10:45 EDT
Reply-To:     John Hassler <HASSLER@MAINE.BITNET>
From:         John Hassler <HASSLER@MAINE.BITNET>
Subject:      Dioxin as birth control

Marianne Dugan <MDUGAN@OREGON.BITNET> writes:

>I've just read of a new scientific finding in US News & World
>Report (April 6, p. 60) that just may turn popular sentiment
>around in favor of the environment.....at least popular MALE
>sentiment, as well as maybe a few people in favor of having lots
>of children....Dioxin dramatically reduces (30-50%) testosterone
>and causes a 20% sperm count reduction.......
>
>Any ballsy loggers or pulp mill workers wanna take the ball now??

    What levels are you talking about?  Perhaps you are not aware that
the levels in the effluent water of pulp mills are near the limit of
detectability - low parts per trillion - for dioxins (there are several,
not just "dioxin").  Does this finding say that these concentrations
cause such dramatic effects?
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For the benefit of those who have joined the discussion lately, I would like
to point out again that 1) the debate is not (as I see it, anyway) over whether
irradiation plants pose a threat to the surrounding area, but rather if
irradiating food compromises it's safe consumption, and 2) irradiator
facilities do NOT make use of reprocessed nuclear wastes, therefore the
nuclear industry has little incentive for advocating the construction and use
of such facilities.

Eric


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