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From: symmondsac@brt.deakin.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.news
Subject: <None>
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:11:21 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Melbourne

There is a growing recognition in Australia and overseas by industry as well as
the TAFE and university sectors of the importance of learning that has occured
outside the formal education system, i.e., in the workplace, in the home and in
the community generally.  Recognition of prior learning (RPL) is a process
which quantifies this learning and facilitates recognition of both experiential
and certificated learning.

Recognition of prior learning is the acknowledgement of skills and
knowledge obtained through formal training (conducted by industry and
educational institutions) work experience and informal training and/or life
experience.  The main focus of RPL is the learning outcomes of these
experiences irrespective of how or where the learning occurred.

There are a number of terms used to describe the process by which formal credit
may be obtained for learning gained through work and life experiences.  While
recognition of prior learning (RPL) is the most common Australian term, other
descriptors include:
	Recognition of current competencies		(RCC)
	Accreditation of prior learning			(APL)
	Assessment of prior learning			(APL)
	Credit for prior learning			(CPL)
	Assessment of prior experiential learning 	(APEL)

As the recognition of prior learning is now a component of a number of programs
in industry, TAFE and higher education, I would like to propose the creation of
a newsgroup which would facilitate an interchange of information between those
interested in the subject.

As RPL is the most popular of the above terms, the suggested name of the
newsgroup is aus.education.RPL.  I would welcome any comments or suggestions re
this proposal.


Helen Symmonds
Technology Management Centre
Phone:  (03) 805 3946
Newsgroups: aus.news,aus.acsnet
From: geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer)
Subject: Re: c news problems: cut short articles
Keywords: c news
Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:14:12 GMT

Andrew J Lockwood:
>I've had a lot of trouble with cnews [sic] which we used to
>blame on bad Telecom lines (since we used to have a problem with 
>email and fetchfiles with corrupted characters). The problem is that
>the batched news articles come through with the wrong length:
>	#! rnews length
>This results in articles which are cut short and an endless stream 
>of mail to the user ``news''. The actual batched news contains all 
>the lines.

Probably your feed site is computing the length incorrectly, and that's
probably because it's confused about how wide a newline is.  RFC 1036
makes it quite clear that, for the purposes of computing the length of an
article in a batch, a newline counts as one character, even if it's sent
over the wire or stored on your local disk as a CRLF or some other
oddball representation.

I think you need to have a chat with the administrator of your feed site.
-- 
Geoff Collyer		world.std.com!geoff, uunet.uu.net!geoff
From: hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: aus.news
Subject: Australian motorcyclists - do we need our own group?
Date: 31 Jul 92 07:23:04 GMT

Hello Disco!

Wednesday July 29 1992 03:35, Disco Inferno Curtis wrote:

 DC> This may or may not be true. But creating rec.motorcycles.aus would
 DC> require LOTS of support (like 100 votes). Also, why would the world want

How about aus.bicycle.motor? Face it, a motorcycle IS a bicycle too.


Regards,
Hamish


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From: pwilson@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.news
Subject: Re: testing 1 2 3
Date: 24 Jul 92 02:03:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Mar18.042352.11733@bnd2.bnd.:-2087709541:peg:994300004:000:20
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!pwilson    Jul 23 21:03:00 1992


this is only a test
Newsgroups: aus.news,aus.acsnet
From: marka@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Mark Andrews)
Subject: Re: c news problems: cut short articles
Keywords: c news
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:20:31 GMT

In article <Brr3zp.4vw@world.std.com> geoff@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) writes:
!Andrew J Lockwood:
!>I've had a lot of trouble with cnews [sic] which we used to
!>blame on bad Telecom lines (since we used to have a problem with 
!>email and fetchfiles with corrupted characters). The problem is that
!>the batched news articles come through with the wrong length:
!>	#! rnews length
!>This results in articles which are cut short and an endless stream 
!>of mail to the user ``news''. The actual batched news contains all 
!>the lines.
!
!Probably your feed site is computing the length incorrectly, and that's
!probably because it's confused about how wide a newline is.  RFC 1036
!makes it quite clear that, for the purposes of computing the length of an
!article in a batch, a newline counts as one character, even if it's sent
!over the wire or stored on your local disk as a CRLF or some other
!oddball representation.
!
!I think you need to have a chat with the administrator of your feed site.
!-- 
!Geoff Collyer		world.std.com!geoff, uunet.uu.net!geoff

	What is was is that the size in the togo file generated with the
	'f' does not contain the size of the Xref: line.

	Mark.
From: hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: aus.followup
Subject: Banks have never been my friends
Date: 17 Jul 92 05:18:14 GMT

Hello Crispin!

Friday July 10 1992 00:45, Crispin Russell (tosca@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au) wrote:

 CR> One can of course go find another bank such as Advance which has been
 CR> heavily advertising that it charges no bank fees.

My father meationed recently that one bank - State Bank, I think - had based its
advertising over the past few months on its charging no bank fees. The same bank
(whichever it was) now does charge quite a number of fees.

 CR> mortgage of course) wanted $45.  NAB also charges $2 on balances of <$500
 CR> in a month for ordinary accounts. It pays to shop around!!!.

I received email earlier today that said NAB does NOT charge this $2 on accounts
(specifically credit card accounts, but this could mean access accounts). Seems
the best answer is to tell ANZ I'm a student, as suggested by 2 people (by
mail).

Thanks for your article.

Regards,
Hamish


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From: brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones)
Newsgroups: aus.followup
Subject: Re: Leaking Tunnel
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:46:37 GMT

in article <gaojeng.712246673@durras>, gaojeng@durras.anu.edu.au (J. Gao) says:
> ABC TV reported the soon-opening tunnel is dripping salt water, which means
> the concret will be corroded. Any comment?

The section that is leaking is the in-situ constructed transition section,
about 30 metres long and under about 2 m of water, underneath the Opera House
forecourt.  The prefabricated immersed tubes, in deep water, are fine.

The word 'leak' proabably conjures up images of gushing water, but 'leak' here
means dripping from some hairline cracks in the ceiling at the rate of maybe
one drop every 10 seconds.  As this segment was constructed in-situ, there has
been some conrete shrinkage and hairline cracking, and the external membrane
seems to have let water in somewhere.

Despite much brouhaha about this by the media, it is unlikely to be a
long-term problem if the cracks are repaired from the inside.  If the cracks
are repaired internally and the drips are stopped, then any water still in
the concrete will quickly have its salinity neutralised by the natural
alkalinity of the concrete, and the water presence will become benign and
not lead to 'concrete cancer'.

If however the leaks cannot be stopped from the inside, then the continual
drawing in of salt may lead to long-term structural problems.  Note, *may*,
and long term may mean 50 years or 100 years.  The tunnel was designed for
a lifespan of 100 years.

Currently, an industrial sealant called Xypex is being injected into the
cracks.  This sealant expands in contact with salt water, and tends to drive
water out.  As the concrete settles, some new hairline cracks are appearing
but these are being progressively sealed.

As the Sydney Harbour Tunnel is the 73rd immersed tube tunnel to be built
in the world, I wouldn't worry too much.  The technology has been around a
long time, and these sorts of problems are not new.

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From: annick@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Annick Ansselin)
Subject: Re: Leaking Tunnel - some questions
Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:26:39 GMT

In <6096@otc.otca.oz> brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:

>are repaired internally and the drips are stopped, then any water still in
>the concrete will quickly have its salinity neutralised by the natural
>alkalinity of the concrete, and the water presence will become benign and

That doesn't make sense to me. An acid + alkali gives salt + water. How do
you neutralize a salt solution with an alkali? The salt is not going to
disappear because the concrete is alkaline, or is it?
I thought the problem was the corrosive effect of salt on the structural
metal rods in the concrete. That problem has been around for a long time
and I didn't think a satisfactory cure for that had been developed.

>Currently, an industrial sealant called Xypex is being injected into the
>cracks.  This sealant expands in contact with salt water, and tends to drive
>water out.  As the concrete settles, some new hairline cracks are appearing
>but these are being progressively sealed.

Many years ago I had some experience in adhesives used to seal cracks in
concrete slabs. This was mostly trying to stop ground water and rain
water from moving through slabs of concrete. While the adhesive really stuck
to the concrete at the cracks for a depth of several centimetre, capillarity
exerted such force that the adhesive + concrete it adhered to, literally
exploded, leaving a much bigger crack and a more serious leak.
It was my understanding that you had to prevent the water gaining entry
from the ooutside. Once it was inside the concrete there was no permanent
way of preventing the water from moving through - only temporary ones which
could last for up to a couple of years.
Unless you were able to soak the entire thickness of the concrete from the
outside in (is it 10 feet thick), I can't see how injecting the cracks from
the inside is going to do a lot of good in a few years.

Why can't a new membrane being installed on the outside of the tunnel?

>As the Sydney Harbour Tunnel is the 73rd immersed tube tunnel to be built
>in the world, I wouldn't worry too much.  The technology has been around a
>long time, and these sorts of problems are not new.

Does this mean the problems have been really solved - permanently, or just
contained?
Newsgroups: aus.tv,aus.followup,rec.arts.tv
From: patti@nestor.uucp (80122-stankovich)
Subject: Re: Synchronised Swimming and Rhythmic Gymnastics
Reply-To: patti@nestor.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 18:18:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul19.171646.7840@brt.deakin.edu.au> dougcc@brt.deakin.edu.au (Douglas Miller) writes:
>In article <6022@otc.otca.oz>, peterl@otc.otca.oz (Peter Liversidge)
>writes:
>
>> Is there anyone out there besides me who thinks that synchronised swimming is
>> the biggest bloody joke ever perpetrated on the sports-watching population of
>> the world.  
>
>Count me as one vote against the motion (i.e., that synchronised swimming
>and rhythmic gymnastics are a joke).
>

What I think is even MORE ridiculous is SOLO synchronised
swimming.  Think about it.

Newsgroups: aus.followup
From: dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Microbee comms program
Organization: IPS Radio and Space Services.  Sydney, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:39:40 GMT

In article <1570@spam.ua.oz>
   dcook@spam.adelaide.edu.au writes:

>  I am looking for a communications package for my Microbee
>(other than Telcom). I have an '85 Computer-in-a-Book, 64k,
>1 3.5" drive, and Maestro 2400zxr modem. The main problem
>with Telcom is losing characters when I type while also
>recieving at 2400 baud. (If reliable communication can't be
>done with my model of microbee, which model could handle
>it ? The 256TC ? Or some earlier model ? And does anyone
>want to sell one very cheaply :-)

I'm looking for such a package too :-)  There is Kermit, of course...
Other programs will need to be hacked, for the following reasons:

The problem is that the "serial" port is actually implemented with a
Z80 PIO, and it "bit bangs" on selected lines.  The 'Bee simply doesn't
have the grunt to process bi-directional I/O much faster than 300 bps,
although true simplex (stop & wait protocols) is possible up to 4800 or
so (where I use packet radio).  The BIOS has serial I/O routines for 1200,
and some undocumented hook for "simultaneous I/O" (I don't have a decent
BIOS source to hand), whereas Telcom has its own routines (Gerard Hill,
the author of Telcom, was brilliant!).

However, late model 'Bees have provision for an 8530 SCC chip, and I think
Telcom might even support it, when fitted (PORT 2?), but you need to have
the MB8342 core-board to use it (I understand the PCB layout was reversed
on earlier (and commoner) models).  The circuit is available in the
Technical Manual.

>Also, I would like to know the outputs for each pin of the
>serial port - I had this information once, to make the cable
>from 'bee to modem, but lost it.

Thumbs through aforesaid (and dog-eared) manual...  The usual pinouts,
with a couple of surprises:  TXD - 2, RXD - 3, CTS - 5, SG - 7, +12 - 9,
CLK - 24 (actually DTR).  The signals are TTL level (but not TTL convention
i.e. there is no true -ve swing, which can upset some DCE's, but that's
easily fixed, so what would be -ve is actually 0 volts)).  The inputs are
clipped to 0v and +5v as well.  I merely strapped 24 over to 20 (DTR),
since that is its function (dunno why they put DTR on 24 - the usual
marketing reasons I suppose, since they had the BeeModem...).  The +v is
handy for powering low-power modems, bit-rate convertors etc.  The CTS and
DTR (CLK) are used for hardware handshaking (the command for this in Telcom
is, ahem, "HARD ON" ... :-)

I am planning on writing a better comms package, since I'm annoyed with
some of Telcom's quirks, but don't hold your breath...

Just another Microbee fanatic...

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@ips.OZ.AU                  ...munnari!ips.OZ.AU!dave
From: makinc@hhcs.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: ABN Medline gateway available to public ???
Date: 28 Jul 92 04:05:28 GMT
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <1992Jul23.012605.29445@physiol.su.OZ.AU>, johnd@physiol.su.OZ.AU (John Dodson) writes:

>>	* The current Medline runs on IBM/MVS with tape updates from the US.
 
> I most certainly would not advocate a system like that ;-)
> But as I understand it that is also what it runs on in the US (I hope I'm wrong)

No it's an IBM mainframe.

It's not that bad to use actually. (But then again note the .sig :-)
> Now the problem of mixing Macs & PCs...
> (Oops almost forgot all those Unix/Vax-VMS and a host of other users out there)

> The system I would advocate is one based on a WAIS (Wide Area Information
> Service) system, where the users & their terminals/Macs/PCs act as clients
> to the server. WAIS clients are available for many hardware platforms (including
> Mac, MS-DOS, X and dumb terminals)

How much of this is dreaming and how much is available now?  We
are trying to provide concurrent Pc/Mac/Vax access to this data
and while I like the idea, how much writing of code is there?

Carl.

-- 
Carl Makin, MVS/ESA Systems Programmer, VAX/VMS Dabbler. 
Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services, Canberra, Australia.
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"I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you."
From: hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Is there an AUSTRALIAN email gateway into ....z3.fidonet.org
Date: 17 Jul 92 10:32:58 GMT

Hello Jason!

Tuesday July 07 1992 07:15, Jason Bordujenko wrote to All:

 JB> It's addressing techniques are thus:
 JB> Jason.Bordujenko@p1.f702.n640.z3.fx.cec.edu.au

OR through here as
Jason.Bordujenko%p1.f702.n640.z3@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au

 JB> This Gateway is run by David Nugent of 3:640/348 (Thanks David!) or
                                               ^^

I wasn't aware david had moved to Queensland. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! :-)


 JB> Jason_Bordujenko@f702.n640.z3.fidonet.org
          ^ dots are still used by Randy's system


Regards,
Hamish


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From: ddd@cc.uow.edu.au (David Dodds)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Seminar material needed
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:37:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong

Hi,

I am in need of some material on AARNet for a seminar that I am to present.

I have found the maps and the overheads but I was wondering if there were
more recent documents available. (Map is dated May 1991 and O'heads dated
Sep 1990)

I was also wondering if there was a promotional video available that
I could possibly borrow for the presentation ??


Any help would be much appreciated 

David Dodds
ddd@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: spel@hippo.ru.ac.za (Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse)
Subject: Re: ABN Medline gateway available to pu
Organization: Katatura State Hospital, Windhoek, Namibia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:38:56 GMT

In <1992Jul29.070107.22490@newshost.anu.edu.au> pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford) writes:

>In article <246600046@peg.pegasus.oz.au>, ilanet@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes:
>|> 
>|> As a result of the message I placed here yesterday, I received
>|> the following message from a gentleman in Namibia. As I have
>|> not been following this discussion, would appreciate people
>|> responding to him directly.

>Please use use some care when mailing to Namibia (and other remote
>locations). You will often find that their connection to the Internet
>will be via a number of very slow, store and forward dial up connections
>often between PC's and voluminous postings will cause delays and
>blockages for them. Namiba is definitely not (yet) directly connected
>to the Internet.

>I'm not saying don't post, just asking those that do, to edit down
>any summaries they might pass on.

Quite right.

Thats why I use the spel@hippo.ru.ac.ZA address which is on an
IP link and has no such restrictions. el@lisse.NA uses a 2400 baud
modem over 3000km with uucp.

el

-- 
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Windhoek, Namibia           ;____/ (postmaster@uonamib.NA) Postmaster NAmibia
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Subject: Re: Seminar material needed
Reply-To: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Organization: AARNet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 06:07:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.043713.13995@cc.uow.edu.au>, ddd@cc.uow.edu.au (David Dodds) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> I am in need of some material on AARNet for a seminar that I am to present.
|> 
|> I have found the maps and the overheads but I was wondering if there were
|> more recent documents available. (Map is dated May 1991 and O'heads dated
|> Sep 1990)

I have just updated the map in 

aarnet.edu.au:pub/maps/aarnet-backbone.ps

The quarterly reports in pub/reports might be useful too.

|> I was also wondering if there was a promotional video available that
|> I could possibly borrow for the presentation ??

Not that I am aware of.

-- 
Peter Elford,                             e-mail: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Network Co-ordinator                      phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network      fax:   +61 6 249 1369
c/o, Computer Services Centre             pager: +61 6 245 3035
Australian National University            post: GPO Box 1142     
Canberra, AUSTRALIA                             Canberra ACT 2601
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au (Christopher JS Vance)
Subject: Re: Is there an AUSTRALIAN email gateway into ....z3.fidonet.org
Originator: cjsv@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au
Organization: Computer Science, University College, UNSW/ADFA, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 07:42:20 GMT

Is there a need for someone in Australia to manage the DNS side of
z3.fidonet.org?  hostmaster@fidonet.fidonet.org would need to concur,
of course.
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: andy.linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Subject: Re: Library/Waikato
Organization: Dept of Comp Science, Victoria Uni, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:47:05 GMT


In article <rik.712290764@nella13.cc.monash.edu.au>, rik@nella13.cc.monash.edu.au (Rik Harris) writes:

|> 
|> telnet libserver.massey.ac.edu

Minor detail:

telnet libserver.massey.ac.nz
From: chuac@brt.deakin.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: <None>
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:07:26 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Melbourne

I need to talk to somebody at the Boston Univerasity in the United States
urgently.  I do not have their e-mail addresses.  Is there a list of
e-mail addresses to the postmaster of the U.S. universities ?
I need the information urgently.  Could anyone help. please ?

Please send information to me at :

CHUAC@BRT.DEAKIN.EDU.AU

Thank you kindly.
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: WHOIS servers...
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:50:09 GMT

  Are there any WHOIS servers running in Australia which can be used
to gain information about domains in the same way as nic.ddn.mil can
be used for most domains in the USA ?

It seems that querying the NIC for information on "anu.edu.au", "edu.au",
etc are fruitless, although "au" does and so does a lookup on the
ip net allocated or the 'netname'.

Darren
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: hughg@brutus.ee.su.oz.au (Hugh Garsden)
Subject: Library/Waikato
Organization: University of Sydney, EE Dept.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:07:33 GMT

I'd like to know if I can get onto the library at the University
of Waikato, NZ. Can't find anything in the AARNet guides.

-- 
Hugh Garsden
University of Sydney 
hughg@ee.su.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet