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From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: LIBERAL INTOLERANCE
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:20:33 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <BtrpxK.6Hy@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.164406.11510@ncsu.edu> dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
>>> 
>>> Republicans HAVE to loose this election
>>> for two reasons: we need to rebuild the country, they(republicans) need to
>>> rebuild the republican party. 
>>
>>Democrats HAVE to loose this election for two reasons: we need to rebuild
>>the country, and the Democrats need to rebuild their party. 
>
>Wow, what an incredibly clever response!  How long did it take you to think
>of it?

Not much time at all.  Doug is SMART.



--
Sweet Thames, run softly till I end my song
Sweet Thames, run softly, for I speak not loud or long.
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From: Jim.Eggert.x6127.g41@iphase.UUCP (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Scudbusters
Date: 23 Aug 92  00:59:34 EST

Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
Reply-To: jake@bony1.bony.com's message of 21 Aug 92 21:11:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.211113.630@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>   Israel found a ship that looked suspiciously like an American spy
>   ship.  They asked the Yanks who, after checking into it, denied that
>   it was American.  So the Israelis looked at it again and the Yanks
>   continued to insist that all American ships had been pulled out of
>   there.  The Israelis said that if it's not American, then perhaps it's
>   Russian, Egyptian or something else and we're gonna send it away.  The
>   Yanks said "Be my guest".

Sounds like you don't agree with the official story.  The Israelis
officially didn't ever identify the ship as an American ship.

The most interesting assertion is that the Americans approved an
Israeli attack on the ship.  I wonder where you came up with that one.
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From: mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu ("[*] Ko the Eater")
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: rely on science not on purposeful environmental hysteria
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:50:54 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Eaters of Wisdom
In-reply-to: qralston@cislabs.pitt.edu's message of 31 Aug 92 23:53:09 GMT


[ Adapted from a post to pa.general ]

   Even though I'm aware the Mr. Dominus has the right to say what he
pleases, few things would give me greater pleasure than to stuff a sock
in his mouth.  His short, heavily biased, intermittent emissions of
mostly to not complete bullshit have long since worn thin.

--

                And for to se, and eek for to be seye
Mark-Jason Dominus 	  			    mjd@central.cis.upenn.edu
From: rburns@key.COM (Randy Burns)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Malcolm X and the KKK
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:27:50 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced Systems, Fremont CA


The other day I was browsing in a bookstore and noticed a book
on the FBI file of Malcolm X to which Spike Lee wrote an introduction.

In the book, there was a several small snips referring to a meeting between
representatives of the Nation of Islam and the KKK in which Malcolm X 
represented the NOI. Although NOI didn't get all they wanted from these
meetings, apparently, they _did_ get the KKK to agree to cease interfering in
NOI organizing activities in the South(the NOI had hoped for a bit more
active support around the idea that American blacks should have their own
separate sovereign nation and wanted help obtaining land to facilitate this).
Now, what I also think is significant is that within certain constraints,
the KKK got the FBI to leave their organization along and even got the FBI
to use the KKK for certain kinds of operations. I wonder the extent to 
which the NOI developed a similar mutually beneficial relationship with the
FBI. NOTE: Malcolm X later said he was "ashamed" to have participated in
negotiations with the KKK.

My own sense is that Malcolm X will be a watershed film in bringing certain
forgotten aspects of history to light and in fueling speculation about 
similar present day conspiracies. It does seem pretty clear that there was
quite a bit more than meets the eye about Malcolm X's death(i.e. one 
associate who was with him when he was shot later turned out to be a police
informant-this was the guy who gave Malcolm mouth to mouth recusitation-
one of the worse things you can do to someone with a chest wound).


My guess is that we will over the next few years see major motion pictures
about _all_ the big assassinations: first JFK, now Malcolm X, looks like
RFK and MLK are yet to come. I have the feeling we are due for a _very_
strained political climate over the next few years.
From: sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Ref: DEATH TO THE CLONES!
Date: 1 Sep 1992 10:09:13 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Summary: the empire never ended
Keywords: VALIS

A semi-tangential and not altogether irrelevant question for Gary:

Have you heard from Zebra?



------------
KING FELIX
------------


The Empire Never Ended.

SjG for PkD who currently Knows.

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              where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,pa.general,phl.misc,talk.politics.misc
From: wlamonac@tolkien.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Subject: Re: rely on science not on purposeful environmental hysteria
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:23:15 GMT

In article <w6iaqB1w164w@cellar.org> techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon) writes:
>Acid Rain
>ENVIRONMENTALISTS CLAIM: According to the EPA,byproducts produced from the 
>burning of fossil fuels in industrial plants and from automobiles have caused 
>acid rain that harms forests,lakes, streams and wildlife.
>SCIENTISTS RESPOND:In 1981, the Reagan Adminstration created the National 
>Acid Precepitation Assesment Program (NAPAP). After a ten year study costing 
>the taxpayers $600 Million, NAPAP concluded that industrial and automotive 
>use of fuels had not caused acid rain. In another study prepared for the U.S. 
>Department of Energy in 1989,, Dr. Edward Krug determined that acidic lakes 
>in the North East had been acidic in pre-industrial times and their present 
>acidity was not caused by human activity.
>sources: 1) National Acid Precipitation Assesment Prograam, 28 Volumens, U.S. 
>Department of Energy.
>2) Edward Krug, PhD., Illionos State Water Survey
>    As we have shown, and as could be shown by citing a great many more 
>scientific authorities, numerous claims put forth by environmentalists and 
>given credence by the nation's (left wing liberal biased, I might add) media 
>are false. In like manner, scary scenerios painted by environmentalists 
>regarding deforestation, biodiversity, population, nuclear power, hazardous 
>waste, etc. can also be shown to be without factual basis.
>Next: Rely onnscience draws conclusions.
>
>------
>techie@cellar.org (William A Bacon)
>The Cellar BBS - (215) 654-9184

Of course, the fact that it was in NAPAP's interest to show that there was no
acid rain had nothing to do with it ;-)  Now, we should just listen to those
nice scientists who work for the cigarette companies who tell us that there
is little or no reason to believe that smoking causes cancer.  Or the ones
who work for nuclear power companies who tell us that nuclear energy is
safe. Etc, etc, etc...
From: sgoldste@aludra.usc.edu (Fogbound Child)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: WANTED: the Buke's RepCon Speech
Date: 28 Aug 1992 10:00:34 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Hi.

I remember seeing a copy of the Buchanon's speech to the Republican
Convention posted here. Did anyone keep a copy? Could someone mail
it to me? I unfortunately lost my copy.

Thanks!
___Samuel___
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              summons ... There must have been a moment, at the beginning,
              where we could have said -- no. But somehow we missed it.
From: acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Rapture!
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:29:00 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>			  Jesus is coming on
> 
>			     Oct 28, 1992
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

		We need an Antichrist first, don't we?
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: TELEVISION: The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Enslavement 
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:51:50 CST
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Distribution: na
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

	Thank you, John, for your eloquently stated, insightful, heart-felt
message.  I would like to see it printed in some of the nation's still
free newspapers and hope you submit it.
From: kinnema@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mark Kinney, Attorney at Chaos)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Masons
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:17:24 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1715@grivel.une.edu.au>, cmunday@neumann.une.edu.au (Craig Munday) writes:
> Could anyone tell me about the Freemasons?  It seems like a massive
> orginisation, yet it is almost never spoken about.  

I'll tell you what I know about it, and then follow into some
speculations I've encountered.

It is a rather large group, with various secret oaths and signals
(some of which have brought religious condemnation down upon them,
especially where some oaths say that they will allow their throat to
se slit from ear to ear if they reveal any secrets of Masonry).  Such
oaths have been taken seriously in the past.  If you can find it in
your local bookstore (usually in the religion or philosophy section)
look for a book called _Duncan's Ritual of Freemasonry_.  I haven't
pursued it at length, but glances at it would indicate that is details
most of the oaths and signals.  They haven't been politically
inactive, either--most of the Founding Fathers were masons, the eye in
the pyramid on the great seal of the US (and on the back of the US
dollar) is a Masonic symbol (it was added to the dollar by FDR,
incidentally) and not a few American presidents, including Ronald
Reagan, have been/are masons.  In fact, an Anti-Mason political party
existed in the mid 1800s in the US.  Another interesting note: The
Bavarian Illuminati (a la Adam Weishaupt) infiltrated several lodges
in France, and had a hand in the French Revolution (there have been
entire books written about this), ultimately leading to their downfall
when the events in France scared authorities throughout Europe.

> I have heard that
> Jack the Ripper was actualy a Mason(this is doubtful though).

According to an episode of "In Search Of" I managed to catch this
summer, Jack was supposedly someone in the Royal Family (I forget who,
but someone can fill that in) and therefore almost certainly a Mason
(most important people were).  Evidence in favor of his being a Mason
was the fact that at one incident, a Masonic phrase of some sort was
written on the walls near the victim, and washed off by a
fellow-mason before many others arrived, in order to preserve the
secrets of the lodge.

On the conspiracy theory tip: Some believe that the Scottish Rite
Masonry was founded by Templars who escaped to Britian during their
persecution by the Catholic Church.  True?  I have no idea.

Hope this helps.  I'm sure someone can fill in any holes I left.
-- 
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PhoneNet: (502)745-4246	  (Bowling Green, KY)  | eat the HELL out of it!
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From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Kulturkampf
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:40:12 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <3526@key.COM> rburns@key.COM (Randy Burns) writes:
>
>I find it easy to believe that Buchanan has some strongly facist tendencies.
>I do think that comparing him to Hitler misses the mark. He's much closer
>in his orientation to someone like General Franco of Spain. Franco was the
>kind of Catholic who was more conservative than 90% of the college of 
>Cardinals. Hitler had a much stranger appeal, the Nazi party included 
>folks very sympatheic to the communist economic platform and some 
>large industrial backers. Now I do think that many of the conditions that
>might give rise to a Hitler do exist in the United States. Chief among 
>these is an extreme polarization of the political spectrum and a breakdown
>in dialogue between opposing political sides. We've seen a tendency 
>towards extremism in this country on _both_ sides of the political spectrum.
>On one hand we have folks like Jesse Jackson defending the rather calloused
>rhetoric of Sister Soulja, on the other hand we have folks like David
>Duke and Buchanan rising in prominence. IMHO these two groups feed off
>from each other(hell, if I was on a GOP dirty tricks squad, I couldn't have
>paid enough to get Sister S to spout of like she did). The real issue to 
>examine is the symbiosis between these two phenomena. The culture that
>created Hitler, was a culture in which consensus and dialogue seemed 
>unattainable. What Hitler did was to bring together some seemingly
>contradictory tendencies in a bizarre coalition.
> 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Subject: Re: TELEVISION: The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Enslavement
Summary: The SS. 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: television, mass hypnosis, mass hysteria, mass enslavement
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:45:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.161405.23220@microsoft.com>, 
pierres@microsoft.com (Pierre Stromberg) forwards...

[ an explanation of the Gilligan's Isle parable, for an un-named 
  coworker, detailing the roles played by each of the characters
  and a reference about the setting....]

Which I could swear I read in MadMag as a kid, though the connection
with the SS Minnow remains unexplored. No doubt this will be of some
relief to the members of the Science, Space and Technology Committee
of the House ("The" SST), which presides over other projects such as
the Space Station Freedom, Space Shuttle Atlantis..., Superconducting
Supercollider, and similar SS() projects.

It seems that at the time of the magazine article a major project was
the Super Sonic Transport if anyone cares to track down the reference.
(Also see _The Peter Presciption_, re: Super Sonic Zeppelin, chp. 6)

>I think this is worthy of further discussion, but not openly!  We must 
>not let THEM know that we're aware of anything out of the ordinary...  

THEY likely won't care -- those without wealth are safely ignored -- 
such as anyone who's fixed on television.  

>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-Pierre Stromberg         Microsoft Corporation         Redmond, Washington
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: hanlon@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Casey Hanlon (SVER))
Subject: TELEVISION The Ultimate Weapon of Mass Enslavement
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  3 Sep 1992 09:50 EST  

Wow, I always knew that Gilligan's Island was a deep show but I never 
imagined it was an attempt to save our society.  I guess I was too busy
trying to gleam the message being sent via THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES.  After
many years of listening and watching for the message, I believe I've
found it.  The references to Jethro having obtained an education, he
completed the 6th grade you know, and now contlemplating whether he should
be a brain surgeon or rocket scientist, is it an wonder that I ended up
obtaining an engineering degree and working at NASA.  I'm going to
stop allowing my children to watch the Simpsons until I figure out
the sinister message there.  And GET SMART is obviously out of the
question.

Casey Hanlon (I think)
From: christic@igc.apc.org (Christic Institute)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Rapture!
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:20:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Sep2.092320.6699@random.ccs.:1491177503:cdp:1299600064:000:125
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!christic    Sep  3 20:20:00 1992


Maybe be his coming, and just before the election.  The
last 12 years have seemed like the Great Tribulation to me....

Andy
From: dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Masons
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:33:12 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <1715@grivel.une.edu.au> cmunday@neumann.une.edu.au (Craig Munday) writes:
>Could anyone tell me about the Freemasons?  It seems like a massive
>orginisation, yet it is almost never spoken about.  I have heard that
>Jack the Ripper was actualy a Mason(this is doubtful though).
>
>Any information would be appriceated....
>
>(Please do NOT reply through e-mail)


Read Stephen Knight's book "The Brotherhood."
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,rec.autos
From: jdc@isis.cs.wayne.edu (Jon Cardwell)
Subject: UAW uses strike to lash out at Saturns!
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit, MI
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:56:57 GMT

It appears that our wunnerfull UAW friends have chosen
a good way to put a stop to the great selling Saturn automobile
from threatening their future "job security". It seems almost
inevitable that some sort of "shakeup" would occur when
Saturn Corp.'s 1992 car sales were so good. And with 1993 saturn
cars sales likely to be better, there'd be many lost opportunies for
buick, oldsmobile, and chevy lemon (to name a few) sales!
^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^      ^^^^^
[I *really* do hope I stepped on toes here! :-)]

The solutions may be easier said than done:

1) Give the UAW people what they want: More money and "job security".
(IE; grub-steaks)

2) Move the stamping operation(s) into each of the respective
plants that use the parts (hmmm..., then what next will they target?!).

Being a software engineer (who just ordered a 93' saturn!!!)
instead of an "industrial" type, I may not see 94% of the 
big picture, but (on the surface!) it seems to me that there's
some intense dislike for a quality american-made car that takes
away sales for the traditional domestic lemons by us consumer-dupes!!!



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From: Mike McCormick <capc@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:58 PDT
Subject: Re: The Necronomicon and H.P. Lovecraft
Nf-ID: #R:1992Aug27.085508.16312@monu6.cc.:-2012967605:cdp:1299600061:000:109
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!capc    Aug 27 19:58:00 1992


Actually you cnaan pick-up a copy of the Necromnomicon at any large bookstore. 
It's already in paperback!!!

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (marc.colten)
Subject: Re: liberal intolerance
Summary: What you meant to say
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:53:29 GMT

In article <1SEP199209245871@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov>, hanlon@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Casey Hanlon (SVER)) writes:
> Cindy Davies writes:
> >...lets try something a little different.
> 
> I for one agree.  The democrats have controlled the house of representatives
> for over 30 consecutive years.  It's time for a change! 

Perhaps what you meant to say was "The citizens of the United States
have chosen Democratic candidates to represent them in Congress in
overwhelming numbers for over 30 consecutive years."  I suggest you
speak to them if you want them to vote for someone else.


marc colten
From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Necronomicon and H.P. Lovecraft
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:23:18 GMT
Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery

In article <1992Aug27.085508.16312@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,
sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) wrote:
> 
> I recently checked through some library catalogues, and found, much to
> my amazement that the Necronomicon, by Abdul Alhazred, really exists,
> and that there is a copy in the Uni. of Boston library.
> Previously I thought that the Necronomicon was made up by H.P.
> Lovecraft, author of the Cthulhu Mythos stories.
> Does anyone know:
> 	- Are the passages quoted from the Necronomicon (about
> shoggoths, the old ones, et cetera) genuine?

Yes, absolutely.

> 	- How much else in Lovecraft's stories is true?

All of it.  It is not widely known, but Lovecraft's writings consisted
entirely of nonfiction.

> 	- What were the circumstances of Lovecraft's death?

He disappeared inexplicably, leaving behind large quantities of blood, a
pile of fine ash, and a handwritten document which ended "I can see them
coming for me now!  Aaauuugggghhhhh!"

--
Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy)
Subject: Re: The Necronomicon and H.P. Lovecraft
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:08:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) writes:

>I recently checked through some library catalogues, and found, much to
>my amazement that the Necronomicon, by Abdul Alhazred, really exists,
>and that there is a copy in the Uni. of Boston library.
>Previously I thought that the Necronomicon was made up by H.P.
>Lovecraft, author of the Cthulhu Mythos stories.
>Does anyone know:
>	- Are the passages quoted from the Necronomicon (about
>shoggoths, the old ones, et cetera) genuine?
>	- How much else in Lovecraft's stories is true?
>	- What were the circumstances of Lovecraft's death?

Check the publication date of the book.  You may find that it came out 
*after* HPL wrote his Cthulhu Mythos.  In fact, this is the general
consensus of many people who have studied it (although I don't have
a specific reference to support this; if anyone *does* have some
info on who actually wrote the Necronomicon, I'd like to see it).
-- 

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Secretary of the Georgia Skeptics (but don't even THINK I speak for them!)

"If you don't watch the violence,    \           "If I had been the Virgin Mary,
you'll never get desensitized to it."  \                I would have said 'No.'"
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