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From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: Pike, technique and cooking
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:32:56 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
> I have access to some brushy slightly weedy backwaters, which are
> alleged to be jam packed full of 10-15lb pike.
> 
> I believe this, as I have *seen* several large pike in this
> water.
> 
> How do I catch them? Once caught, how do I cook one? I am told
> that properly cooked pike is both unique and delicious.
> 
The will usually hit almost any big plug or spoon.  Fish it fairly shallow
and fast.  

They have a funny bone structure (called Y-bones) along their spine.  There 
is a technique for cleaning and filleting which yields a bone free slice of
fish but I have forgotten the details.  They aren't too bad to eat when 
cooked fresh.  Any of the standard receipes should work OK.  I like mine 
either deep fried or grilled with butter and lemon.

> Finally, if I'm catch-release, is there any easy way to
> release then without getting bitten? I am told these 
> buggers are vicious...
> 
Be careful with Northerns.  They are mean and have the weapons to make 
being mean a problem.  If you intend to eat what you catch, knock it in 
the head (until dead) before attempting to remove the hook or handle the 
fish.  If you intend to release the fish, GO BARBLESS and use a clamp type
long nose hook remover.  You can get these up to a foot long (maybe longer).
They have a handle with a trigger and a small set of jaws on the other end.
Try to get the fish on its back before you attempt to remove the hook.  
This is easier if you have a pretty big landing net.  Try to avoid the 
nylon landing nets.  They tend to cause a lot more damage to the fish than
softer (like cotton) materials.  Use big lures.  These fish will attack 
something half as large as themselves.

> I fish with a spinning rig, or a thumb-drag baitcasting rig 
> which I use for steelheading. I do not currently have access to a
> boat, but may soon, so boat technique is fine.
 
Find a spot where they are crusing and cast accross to intercept their
path.  Trolling is not usually effective.  Anchor or drift in the shallows
and probe the weed lines with your lure.  I've never tried fly fishing for 
Northerns but would like to someday.  
> 
> Charles

Bryan

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From: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford)
Subject: Re: Skunked!!
Organization: Nimbus Technology Inc. (formerly C2 Technology)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:01:12 GMT

In article <92Aug17.224634.21899@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:

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>   Here are the conditions: It is quite hot these days, and the
>   water level is down a bit. The water is also warming up somewhat.
>   It hasn't rained much/at all in the area.

 Trout and Salmon tend to do their most active feeding when the water temperature
is between 45 and 65 degrees Farenheit.  Look for deep pools or shaded pools
where the water temperature will be cooler and more stable.  Use wet flies
which imitate one of the bottom dwelling nymphs or water bugs of the area.
 The waters below a deep water reservoir (dam) will generally stay around
45-50 during the hottest days of summer.  Find a dam which has a constant
outflow for the best results.  Hydroelectric dams tend to fluctuate their
outflow daily due to the changing demands for power.  This is disruptive
to the fish and can change the water temperature and turbidity.  You may 
also end up standing knee deep on a rock in the middle of the river hoping
the water quits rising before it gets much higher. ;-(

--jimiii
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:09:49 EDT
From: Mark J. Laufersweiler <L89@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Keeping cheese on a fish hook?
Distribution: rec

In article <Bt5JEC.HGz@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S.
Zinzow) says:
>
>Lately, I've been noticing that bluegill really love cheese.
>I like it too as a local cheese factory will sell moldy cheese for
>$0.20/lb.  It's fun to just feed it to fish, but when I put it on
>a hook to try and catch them, it usually falls off when they strike,
>or when I cast it out.
>
What I do to keep cheese on a hook is to take with me a few cotton balls.
I take a small piece of cotton from the ball and roll it with the cheese. The
fibers from the cotton help to keep the cheese ball on the hook. Of course
this works best with a soft cheese as a hard cheese just crumbles.

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From: pashler@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Hal Pashler)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Salt Water Fishing Licenses
Summary: October fishing?
Date: 15 Aug 92 23:55:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


A question for some of you knowledgable fishermen/women:

Is there anywhere in the US where one can find really good 
freshwater fishing in the month of October?  

(Odd question? Well, I have a frequent-flyer coupon to use up
this Fall, and I've never fished except in the summertime.) 

Thanks!

hpashler@ucsd.edu
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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Keeping cheese on a fish hook?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:52:51 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: cheese bait hook

In article <Bt5JEC.HGz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow) writes:

>Does anyone have experience using cheese as bait?  I suppose I could
>try treble hooks, but they are more expensive, and harder to remove
>esp. if you want the fish to survive.  
>
>Speaking of fish survival, I live on a small lake (a little over
>a mile in circumfrence) and the local home owners association rules
>say to kill all bluegill caught.  This seems awfully cruel to do
>to all the little ones.  Does anyone know why this is common in 
>pond management?

What on earth is a bluegill?

As for cheese...Try putting a ball of cheese inside the fine-mesh
net that those chocolate coins come in, and then stick that on
the hook. I have never used cheese as bait (something in me
rebels at the idea, irrationally I know), but I would think
that insects or meat of some sort would be more attractive
to a fish.

Charles
-- 
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separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
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From: jts@ginny.ece.cmu.edu (John T. Stonick)
Subject: Re: Crappie in small ponds
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 02:15:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.190242.6415@mcnc.org> kevins@mcnc.org (Kevin Siefering) writes:
>    It was suggested by another post that crappie can never grow large
>exept in a large lake.  I dissagree heartily.  I used to fish a lot
>of farm ponds in Iowa.  I knew of three ponds which regularly gave up
>crappie of 1-2 pounds, which is quite large in Iowa.  My fishing buddy
>caught 5 which had a combined weight of almost 12 pounds from one of
>these ponds.  This pond was less than one acre, but has extremely steep
>banks and is deep for a farm pond (likely around 25').  It also had
>healthy populations of large bluegill and a lot of small bass (mostly
>less than 1 pound).  It was home to a beaver family that regularly
>dropped trees in the water, keeping cover plentiful.  The water was
>also quite clear.   
>
>    The main problem with large populations of very small panfish is
>that they eat the bass eggs and fry and eat all the food which very 
>young bass need.  It certainly doesn't hurt anything to remove the
>small panfish, but you will have to remove a ton of them to do much
>good.  
>
>    
I imagine that the reason that panfish were able to obtain such a large
size is due to the fact the pond had steep sides.  This leaves little
room for spawning and thus slows down or eliminates overcrowding and
stunting.

-- 

jts@ginny.cmu.edu 
John "fish tremble when they hear my name" Stonick
From: rodin@vax.ftp.com (Jon Rodin)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Surf Rod Casting Distance?
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:32:45 GMT
Reply-To: rodin@ftp.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
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bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:
    Assuming that your wife is most interested in beach fishing, a 10 or
    11 foot stick should be fine. As far as lond distance casting is
    concerned, you'll gain most distance by modifying your casting
    technique rather than lengthening the rod. The so-called "pendulum"
    technique supposedly is used by champion long-distance casters to win
    the casting competitions. I've seen articles on it, and have tried a
    modified version of it and have gotten more distance out of it than
    via conventional methods.
    
What is the "pendulum" technique for casting.  Please describe it.

Jon

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From: pro016@muvms3.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: LAKE IVANHOE,ONTARIO INFO NEEDED
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:31:57 GMT
Organization: Marshall University



DOES ANYONE HAVE INFO ON LAKE IVANHOE,ONTARIO
MY LANDLORD IS GOING THE 21st OF THIS MONTH AND IS FISHING FOR
LAKE TROUT. HE NEEDS INFO ON TECHNICS AND LURES
ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED  THANKS   PAUL
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From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Wanted:  Source of cane poles
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:14:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.144706.9852@leela.cs.orst.edu>, hughesl@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Larry Hughes) writes:
|> The subject says it all.  My dad, a once avid cane pole fisherman (see
|> alt.south.culture) would like to find a couple of good solid cane poles
|> these days.  If you know of a source, or have a couple in your garage
|> that you would part with, please let me know.
|> 

Larry,  

The trouble with cane poles is that is when you buy them, it is a 
bit difficult for the shipper to mail a 14ft long piece of fragile bamboo 
( it can be a little difficult to fit them into your MR2 also).

You might consider the (infinitley more expensive) telescoping graphite 
cane  pole.  Around here (NC) you can buy them in K-Mart or Wall-Mart, 
and I beleive Bass Pro has a couple of models.  I don't recall the exact 
price...

		-Pat.
From: jk06@gte.com (Jim Kaye)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: New Fly Fishing Club in Central Massachusetts
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:59:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.outdoors.fishing
Organization: GTE Laboratories Inc.

In article <1067@ceylon.gte.com>, USERID@bunny.gte.com 
 wrote:
> 
> I have recently joined a new fly fishing club that is the best thing I 
> have yet to see. The club is located in Shrewsbury MA. and has three ponds 
> stocked with rainbows to 7 pounds, brookies to 4 pounds and some real big 
> browns. The club is strictly for serious fly fishers and has a nice club 
> house and the grounds are big enough that we are planning to have some big 
> functions this fall. TU has shown some interest in holding their fall 
> outing at our club. The thing that makes this place so nice is the natural 
> setting , the ponds are set in a valley and are all spring fed. The trout 
> are not fed and live on natural feed throughout the fishing season. And, 
> believe me they are selective and don't strike at anything that moves. The 
> smallest pond is reserved for handicapped fly fishers and has wheelchair 
> access. The pond holds some of the biggest trout I have ever seen. How 
> about rainbows in the ten pound range? 
> I have no personal stake in this club but felt that it is to good not to 
> tell others about it. I know that the membership is still open and is 
> quite reasonable. One membership is good for unlimited fishing throughout 
> the year. The other interesting thing about this place is that all the 
> fish are raised on site in twelve specially designed tanks, right now one 
> tank has rainbows and brookies of three to four pounds ready for release 
> into the main pond.
> The name of the club is Stonewall Farm Flyfishing Club, if you are 
> interested please let me know and I will give you more information.
> 
> Jim Kaye 
> GTE Laboratories Inc.
> Waltham, MA.
Sorry for not posting properly,I am new at this. If anyone would like to
respond my Address is jk06@gte.com 

Thanks Jim Kaye
From: mrt7455@evtprp0b.UUCP (Michael R Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Colorado Fishing All Tied up in Nylon!
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:01:05 GMT
Reply-To: mrt7455@evtprp0b.UUCP (Michael R Tucker)
Organization: Boeing Computer Services Everett Propulsion, Everett WA

In article <1992Aug13.024423.6740@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> gauss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (GAUSS  REBECCA BANKER) writes:
>Anyway somewhere between tangles I started thinking that all of this nylon
>appeared within 20 years.  Now that stuff is almost indestructbable, expecially
>when submerged in cold water.  Out of 6 fish we hooked, one was lost because
>it entangled in a big nylon wad that was out in deep water.  If nylon is
>deposited by fishermen at the same rate just how many more years before
>those nice mountain lakes are one big nylon tangle?  I think it will be less
>than 100 years.  Somewhere about 40 years in the future we will need special
>lures with line cutters on them much in the manner that old time submarines
>used to cut harbor nets.  It may happen much sooner.  We sure could have
>used one on that fish what we lost.
>
>Have any of you ecology experts worried about all that nylon?
>
>                        --Ed


I decided this summer that when my kids and I tangle our lines that I
would pocket the stuff I cut out and deposit it in the trash when the
day was over.  I have even take to picking up the wads some
inconsiderate jerk left around.  My kids are getting into the habit
too.  I hope it sticks with them.

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Pike, technique and cooking
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 21:35:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

I have access to some brushy slightly weedy backwaters, which are
alleged to be jam packed full of 10-15lb pike.

I believe this, as I have *seen* several large pike in this
water.

How do I catch them? Once caught, how do I cook one? I am told
that properly cooked pike is both unique and delicious.

Finally, if I'm catch-release, is there any easy way to
release then without getting bitten? I am told these 
buggers are vicious...

I fish with a spinning rig, or a thumb-drag baitcasting rig 
which I use for steelheading. I do not currently have access to a
boat, but may soon, so boat technique is fine.

Charles
.
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person
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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: Creek Chub Plunker(s) wanted!!!
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:36:28 GMT

Just in case there are new people reading.  I am and have been desperately
chasing down a lure called a Creek Chub "plunker" as the company that made
them sold to a larger company and the line was discontinued.  However some
of the lures are still on shelves.  In fact, the last year of production
boasted a new Ultra-Lite version which I would really love to find a try.

If you see this bugger (see signature) please let me know

swood

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: COLORADO FISHING HELP NEEDED
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:20:01 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

pro016@muvms3.bitnet writes:
> 
> ANYONE HAVE ANY INFO ON FISHING NEAR GUNNISON COLORADO.
> 
> I WILL BE FISHING THERE OCT. 1-4 AND WOULD LIKE ANY INFO ON FLY
> PATTERNS FOR THAT AREA.
> 
> THANKS AND TIGHT LINES  PAUL

I've never fished the Gunnison, but plan to this month or next.  We will
be fishing from river rafts with rowing frames.  When we get our info 
together I'll let you know what we find.  I'll also post a trip report.
October should be into Blue Winged Olive season here in Colorado.

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Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.
              It is much more important than that!
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Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone.
Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I've never let that stop me before.     
Colorado Springs Div      |--------------------------------------------------
P.O. BOX 617              |    Many men go fishing all their lives without 
Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.
bc@col.hp.com             |                                         - thoreau
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From: imprint@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (IMPRINT -- UW's Student Newspaper)
Subject: Re: Setting the Hook
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:19:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.162759.24142@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, bcking@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Christine King) writes:
> Okay, I'll throw myself on your mercies: I'm a novice.  I've caught a
> few fish over the years, mostly sunnies or trout on bait.  I have a
> Really Basic Question:
> 
>   How, exactly, do I "set the hook"?
> 
> I mean, I hate it when I pull in an undersized trout who has swallowed
> my hook.  I'd much rather just ease it out of his jaw and send him on
> his way.  Is there something I can learn to do, to hook him there
> rather than let him swallow the whole thing down to his ankles?

     There's a couple basic techniques.  If you're trolling, for example,
you just hold your pole at sixty or ninety degree angle from the line,
and the fish'll pretty much hook itself. 
     Another general rule of thumb is to keep the line taut at all times,
and then hold the line on the tip of one of your fingers (I usually use
my index finger).  This way, you can feel the fish playing with the bait
a bit, and when you think you feel its got it in its mouth you point the
pole straight at the fish (so the line goes slack), take up the slack 
quickly and then yank the rod into a vertical position. After some practice,
this become one quick motion you don't even have to think about.
     Usually I hold the line between the reel and the first eye, pullingit
out six or eight inches so you form a little "V". Then the only trouble is
trying to distinguish whether those little tugs are fish, weeds, rocks...

Good luck,
Dave T.
- imprint doesn't know how to fish

> 
> -- 
>   Christine King
>     Internet: bcking@hq.ileaf.COM
>     US Mail:  Interleaf, Inc. / 9 Hillside Avenue / Waltham MA 02154 USA


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From: mwang@netcom.com ( )
Subject: need some help on how to get started...
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 06:30:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

Hi folks! I need some help with how to get started with this sport.
Any suggestions (eg what kind of gear should I get, what is the
right price, where is the right/good place to fish etc etc?)
There are so many questions a beginner could ask...

Thanks in advance!
Mike


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From: rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor)
Subject: Re: Tipping your guide
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:01:32 GMT

bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call) writes:

>kenf@darkstar.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Fortenberry) writes:
>> I've read in this newsgroup that it is customary to give a tip 
>> after a chartered fishing trip. I've never been on a charter boat
>> so that was news to me.
>> 

>I also have never used a guide but from what I have heard it is 
>appropriate to tip your guide according to how hard he has worked
>for you, not how many fish you caught or how big they were.  If he
>worked hard trying to show you a good day of fishing a tip in the 
>10% to 20% range would work.  I'm told that sometimes you can take
>them out to dinner or buy them a gift, but my guess is that they would
>prefer the $.  

	Maybe I've missed something, but if I am paying the guide/captain
	directly (as opposed to going through a resort) to do his best
	why should I pay him again/extra? 
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:56:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Landing fish
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA