From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: answering Mr jaber
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:44:03 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

I hate to respond to Razzooqi from A. Jaber's post, but I missed the
original one.

In article <889@hobby.ukc.ac.uk> karr@ukc.ac.uk (K.A.R.Razzooqi) writes:
>>from: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
>>Organization: University of Keele, England
>
> >From: karr@ukc.ac.uk (K.A.R.Razzooqi)
>>
>>NO MY BROTHER DO NOT DO WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO ,TO JUSTIFY THERE HATE.
>>THERE ARE ALOT OF VERY GOOD PALESTINIANS, ANISA (and others like here)
>>DO NOT REPRESENT THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE (they are minority).

You are just avoiding the real issues here by trying to re-directing attention
towards myself by saying that I am this and that.  I think some of us are
aware of it and it only shows your mantality.  No, I am not a representative
of Palestine or Palestinians.  Never suggested such.  But does that mean
that you do not respect or appreciate the sentiments of ordinary people?

These newsgroups were created to discuss these issues and to try and
understand each other a little better.  Just because some things may be
offensive to others - because there is so much emotion involved in these
issues - welcome to the real world - that doesn't mean that you should point
the finger of false accusation towards people only expressing their feelings
which is the reality of the situation.

>>>	This theory of hate from Arabs(particularly Palestinians) to
	the Kuwaitis is non-existent. Yes there is a certain amount
	of unhapiness among the Palestinians for what happened to many
	Palestinians in Kuwait unjustifiably. People get angry about
	their material loss and this was a natural reaction. 

No!  This is not the matter of materialism and loss of!  As a Palestinian
you should be sensitive to anything that affects your people -
politically, socially, morally, etc. - this is a matter of once again
being displaced and scapegoated.  It is not just a matter of losing a
job or your material possessions - do you understand?

>       I did not say from arabs. I was only commenting on Lady Anisa
>       attacks against KUWAITIS (and here supporters, I mean Anisa's)

No - I don't attack all Kuwaitis.  Did you read my last post?  Why are
you avoiding the real issue?  It seems as though no one can say anything
against the INJUSTICE - you turn around and attack on the basis that
you are offended by the truth!  Please don't be so anal retentive!

>       Also from what you write ( if you are fair person!!), it is justifyable
>       for KUWAITIS to be unhappy with Palestinians for what they did
>       (or some of them) in KUWAIT.(remember this is not my theory,it is yours)

Does that mean that they should displace hundreds of thousands?  That they
should execute journalists falsely accused of writing Iraqi propoganda?  What
happened to ISLAMIC LAW if your country's ideology is based on Sharia and your
people are so good Muslims????????????????

>       Other thing Mr Jaber it seems to me that you are supporting Anisa in
>       what she was saying about KUWAITIS.

No - he isn't.  At least I didn't feel that way.  He gave a totally different
perspective than I would have ever written on the perspective of other
Palestinians like himself.  And he even said later in his post (from memory)
that you seemed like a well-balanced person.  Are you defensive!  Try
calming down a little, re-read the posts, and respond with a little
rationality.

>       Anisa called the KUWAITIS with very bad things,which I do not accept
>      because simply it is not true.

It may not be true of a lot of Kuwaitis - I initially said that the
government is crooked, greedy, and corrupt.  I further stated that many
Kuwaitis (both from the media point of view and personal accounts) are
taking their anger and aggression out on the poor Palestinians - once
again scapegoated - who had nothing to do with the war - were just
caught in the middle.  If even 100 Palestinians supported Saddam that
gives your government NO RIGHT to displace almost the entire population
OR civilians to legally treat them like they are dogs.  Try to support
your arguments without pure emotion and more facts.

>>REMEMBER THAT EVERY COUNTRY HAS ITS OWN GOOD AND BAD PEOPLE.
>>AND WE SHOULD NOT ALWAYS GENERALISE IN OUR JUDGMENT.
>>SO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK FOR PALESTINE AND DO NOT WORRY ABOUT ANISA AND
>>HERE SUPPORTERS.

My supporters?  Don't make statements that you are not aware of.  You
have no right to judge me or other people - what happened to your
belief in Islam?  Remember Allah said that only He knows what is in
the hearts of people.
 

>>salam 
>>
>>Kutaiba
>
>
>      >>A Jaber
>
>         Where is the salam Mr Jaber?!!!!
>         or that's it ,no more salam!!!!

Why didn't you ask for my salams?  Maybe you should consider that the
Arab posters here - most are not religious.  To falsely accuse people
and judge them on the basis that you are angry despite the truth does
not call for an invokation of peace and barakat on you.  Maybe when
you are a little more rational in your thinking and a little less
hot tempered, we can talk.

>        ARE YOU FROM ANISA'S SUPPORTERS??!!  (I am just joking)

What the hell is that supposed to mean?  Everyone is an individual
here in their thinking.  But you should be thankful that jle is
not here.  :)  What are you doing here?  What ever happened to
your Islamic behaviour while expecting all courtesy and respect?

Anisa