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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien biology
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:18:48 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Nov9.235952.20907@u.washington.edu>, by redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick):
> 	If one of these two camps on Alien incosistency actually
> proves its case, what's going to happen?

Obviously, nothing.  Both camps have proved long ago that the other
camp is wrong.
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From: jennise@opus.dgi.COM (Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Highlander
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:03:00 GMT


Does anyone know if the 'European' version is avaliable on video in the
US? 

Jennise
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From: rchandle@maths.tcd.ie (Ross Chandler)
Subject: Re: Terminator II *flaw*
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:43:29 GMT

ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:

>In article <96641@netnews.upenn.edu> worthm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mike Worth) writes:

>>Not to be smug, but I have found a *major* error in T2. Ok, time travel back to
>>T1, when Michael Beihn says that only living tissue can go through the vortex.
>>Ok, to how did the T1000 (which is made of liquid metal and went through the
>>vortex right after the terminator in T1) go through? He should have been 
>>unable to get through. Think about it.

>Holy shit!  You're right!  It's incredible that no one has thought of this
>before!  How can we all have possibly missed this???

Are you being serious? This is old news. Any real T2 fan noticed this on
first viewing.

Ross.

>-- 
>Jorge Diaz                       | "I want you to remember, Clark... in all
>Georgia Institute of Technology  |  the years to come, in your most private
>Office of Information Technology |  moments...my hand at your throat.  I want
>ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |  you to remember the one man who beat you."
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From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: A new Mel Gibson Movie Preview
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:35:25 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: Banzai Institute

In article <2AFEBA61@ssd0.laafb.af.mil>, KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL writes:
> While attending a movie over the weekend, I saw a trailer for an upcoming Mel 
> Gibson movie that has an SF theme.  Unfortunately, I don't remember the title 
> of the movie, but it should be out soon.
>
[stuff deleted]

This is "Lethal Max", a pre-quel of sorts to the Mad Max and Lethal Weapon
series. See, after all this stuff occurs, he pursues a career in law
enforcement (Lethal Weapon) under another name. A nuclear war occurs (this 
will be in Lethal Weapon 4) and Gibson's character, embittered over the
toasting of his partner (Danny Glover), emigrates to Australia (Mad Max).

Hope this clears things up.

Rich Travsky                  Division of Information Technology
University of Wyoming         rtravsky@corral.uwyo.edu
#include ;)
From: pjm6z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Dave Lister)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Terminator II *flaw*
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:21:47 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <96641@netnews.upenn.edu> worthm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mike Worth) writes:
>
>Not to be smug, but I have found a *major* error in T2. Ok, time travel back to
>T1, when Michael Beihn says that only living tissue can go through the vortex.
>Ok, to how did the T1000 (which is made of liquid metal and went through the
>vortex right after the terminator in T1) go through? He should have been 
>unable to get through. Think about it.
>	-Mikey

One way that you can justify this *flaw* is that the first time we see the 
T1000 he is a naked man, but later on he is able to synthesize clothes, so
why was he naked in the beginning?  I think they would have encased him in 
a layer of synthetic flesh like they use in the Arnie model.  Once the T1000
had made it through the time travel vortex he could have just "shed" the skin
and take on other forms.  Just an idea, I have always wondered about this 
myself

Dave Lister
lister@virginia.edu
-- 
"On the one hand we have Holly a computer with the IQ in excess of 12 thousand
 who has a total grasp of astrophysics.  On the other we have Lister, who, and
 let's be fair, is a complete and total gimp."
From: MB05704@swtexas.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Space Operas
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:29:00 GMT

I'm sure this is a long dead topic, but was GALAXINA
ever included in the list of classic space operas?
I don't remember anyone ever mentioning it.  I think
of this movie as the definative space opera.

Michael Bruno
MB05704@SWTEXAS.EDU

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From: glinden@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Blade runner.....
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:02:30 GMT

	Ok.. heres something about Blade runner I believe hasn't come up
before...(Yeah right)  Replicants... I believe they were genitacally
preprogrammed and perfect humans... I was under the assumption they were
robots.. but a friend told me that and it makes sence.... no pulling punches..
he just couldnt go through him... programmed memories.. Deckards sex with   a   
replicant....

	Glinden

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From: gonzalez@CERCA.UMontreal.CA (Jean-Francois Gonzalez)
Subject: Armor
Organization: CEntre de Recherche en Calcul Applique, Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:42:36 GMT

Hi!

Some time ago, people talked about a 'SF Novel That Would Make a Great Film'
which title was 'Armor' or something like that. Please could anybody e-mail
me the complete references of that novel?
Thanks a lot,

Jean-Francois Gonzalez.
gonzalez@cerca.umontreal.ca
From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: computers in films
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:48:52 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

In <BOV.92Nov12143050@essex.x.co.uk> bov@x.co.uk (Andy Bovingdon) writes:


>>"Orac" and ? in "Blake's Seven"?

>the ? is Zen.

Don't forget Slave!

Daniel.
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From: rzuw039@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Juergen Weinelt)
Subject: Re: I Liked Alien - again
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:24:48 GMT

From article <73730@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):
> Yes, except for one thing:  They only need one prey to peek at a cocoon.
> After that, we have one Alien, and he can bring more hosts for the rest of
> the cocoons.  After that, the reproduce pretty much exponentially, and soon
> the entire world (or as much of it as they can get to) is taken.

That's the one basic flaw in the entire Alien creature concept...
they take over the planet, an then ... what? And don't say they
simply start making cocoons and wait for some kind spaceship crew
to pick them up :) The problem is, once they've taken the entire
planet (and that's what's bound to happen - they're damn aggressive),
they've basically destroyed the food chain and will eventually
die themselves. Their overly aggressive behaviour along with the
high reproduction rate is simply counter-productive.

The only possible way out that I could think of is that they're
not the top of the food chain on their home planet, and that
there's at least one more predator type creature there with a
lower reproduction rate (but with a giant appetite for Aliens :-)
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From: gumby@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (David Brian Gumminger)
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Subject: Computers in Films/TV
Date: 5 Nov 92 03:54:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: matt.1dbg39INNmrr
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu


Here is the list I can come up with off hand:

Movies:
Hal 9000 - 2001: A Space Oddessy (sp?)
Sal ???? - 2010  (Hals new and improved counterpart)
Joshua   - War Games
Skynet   - Terminator/Terminator II
Mother   - Alien

You might also include:
Master Control Program , Zark - Tron (really parts of the computer)
R2-D2, C3PO - Star Wars trilogy (computer brains)

TV:
Ziggy - Quantum Leap
Cora  - One episode of Battlestar Galactica

That's all I can think of right now.

Dave


-- 
David B. Gumminger
Kansas State University
gumby@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:42:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Computers in Films/TV
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies

	
	WOPPR from War games. 
	"COMPUTER" from Startrek (does this count?)
	"COLUSSUS" and "GUARDIAN" from The Forbin project.
	"Mother" from Alien.
	hmmmmm....  well, that's all I can seem to manage now... but
	there's sure to be many many more....

	-Mike-
From: cs92mjd@cen.ex.ac.uk (M.J.Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Computers in Films/TV
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:42:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK


The Nutrimatic Drinks Dispenser, The Sirius Cybernetics Corporation Happy
Vertical People Transporter, and several others that escape me at this time.

Anyone mentioned Skynet from Terminator/T2. I know I did in a list e-mailed
to whoever started this thread, but it doesn't seem to have cropped up
again. Can't remember what else was on it now.

Hey Ho.


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From: adam@sw.stratus.com (Mark Adam)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Deckard WAS a replicant!
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:52:36 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: paix.sw.stratus.com

five: with most of the replicants you see their eyes glowing at one point or
another. even the owl's eyes glowed. this never happened with the humans. there is
one scene where deckard is behind rachel and both of the are facing the camera...
lo and behold BOTH of their eyes are glowing.

of all the 'deckard is a replicant' clues this is the slap in the face.

-- 

mark ----------------------------
(adam@paix.sw.stratus.com)	|	My opinions are not those of Stratus.
				|	Hell! I don`t even agree with myself!

	"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad."
From: seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Godzooky Is A Toon!!!
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:50:32 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: seawasp@unixd1.cis.pitt.edu

In article <1992Nov10.123433.1@ualr.edu> jajohnston@ualr.edu writes:
>Sea Wasp,
>  When I read the comments about Godzooky, I was forced to remember the animated
>Godzilla cartoons with the miniture flying dinosaur in it who blew out smoke
>rings.  This show had Godzilla helping a group of humans, with whom Godzooky
>lived, on a Hydrafoil.  Does this ring any bells?  I hope I have helped you
>with your question, and am looking forward to renting Godzilla (any) in the
>near future.

	No, that wasn't the source of the name as far as I know. I never
watched cartoons as a kid -- or very rarely. I watched the ST: animated
series, but other than that...

	But I do know a bit about that cartoon, and that thing came out
LONG after DAM. Little smoke ring blowing Son of Godzilla was in that
one (in the cartoon, Godzooky was about 8-9 feet tall. In the movies, he
was small only in comparison with the other monsters; he was still about
2-300 feet tall.

	If there IS an American 'Zilla production, I sure hope they do
it right... as in, better than the Japanese productions. The quality
shouldn't  DROP when it crosses the Pacific...


                                 Sea Wasp
                                   /^\
                                   ;;;
From: MB05704@swtexas.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Alternate endings to movies
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:26:00 GMT

I can't remember if this one has been mentioned yet or not,
(recently absorbed alot of information :) but ROCKY HORROR
PICTURE SHOW has two different endings depending on whether
or not you see the American or European release.

The difference is that the European release includes the
song "Superheroes".

Michael Bruno
MB05704@SWTEXAS.EDU

p.s.  Did I mention I'm new to the digest?
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Subject: Re: I Liked Aliens - and so did a lot more people than did 
From: kgassner@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:06:29 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

> Since the scene where Brett and Dallas are found transforming into eggs
> was filmed and can even be seen in the new Alien laserdisc, I think it
> should be accepted that this is how Aliens were meant to reproduce.
> And since Cameron completely fucked this up, this is an inconsistency
> to me.

I don't happen to have a laserdisk. Could you please explain what scene you are
referring to?

But anyway, this means that A2 is consistent with A1 movie, A1 video, A1
video long version while the laserdisk is inconsistent with those and A2.
Always remember what came first.

	Klaus
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Terminator II *flaw*
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:18:00 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov9.213828.27459@eecs.nwu.edu> kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) writes:

>Well, don't be too smug. There are a number of simple explanations for this.
>My personal favorite is, Michael Beihn was wrong. As he went on to say, he was
>not a technition, and he didn't really understand the process. Perhaps it was
>more complicated then he knew. 

Ah yes.
The old "Let's make the original fit the sequel" explanation.


-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | "I want you to remember, Clark... in all
Georgia Institute of Technology  |  the years to come, in your most private
Office of Information Technology |  moments...my hand at your throat.  I want
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |  you to remember the one man who beat you."
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From: steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff)
Subject: Re: computers in films
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:03:15 GMT

How about:
The cubic-mile Krell computer in "Forbidden Planet"?
"Marvin", the ship's computer and "Deep Thought" in "The hitch-hikers Guide..."?
"Joshua" and an old IMSAI 8080(!) in "War Games"?
The shootout in the computer room in "Die Hard"?
"HAL 9000" and "SAL 9000" in 2001 and 2010?
"Orac" and ? in "Blake's Seven"?
Dexter Riley (Kurt Russell!) in "The Computer that wore Tennis Shoes"?
"Edgar" in "Electric Dreams"?
"Colussus" in "The Forbin Project"?
"MCP" in "Tron"?

I'll think of more... ...These off the top of my head.

Steve Malikoff.
steven@syacus.acus.oz.au
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From: KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
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Subject: Jurassic Park
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:03:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ssd0.2AF953EC

I know that Spielberg, etc. were in the process of filming "Jurassic Park" on 
Kauai when Hurricane Iniki hit.  Have they packed up and moved elsewhere, or 
were they able to carry on on Kauai, or has the filming been postponed, 
abandoned, etc.?

Rick Kitchen
kitchenrn@space.laafb.af.mil
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From: blum@medici.ils.nwu.edu (Dan Blum)
Subject: Re: Brasil and 1984
Reply-To: blum@ils.nwu.edu
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:45:44 GMT

I wouldn't say that _Brazil_ is based on _1984_ - Orwell did not
invent the concept of a dystopia (no, I don't know who did, but it
wasn't him).  I'm sure that _1984_ INFLUENCED the various creators
(Gilliam et al) of _Brazil_, along with many other things, but that's
not the same - in my opinion.

--
_____________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum           Institute for the Learning Sciences   Room 327
blum@ils.nwu.edu   1890 Maple Ave., Evanston, IL 60201   708-467-2306

"Consider a spherical cow of uniform density..."
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From: barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry)
Subject: Re: I Liked Aliens - and so did a lot more people than did A3
Organization: QQQCLC
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:30:25 GMT

In article <Bx5oA6.CGo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter) writes:
>welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter) writes:
>>Since the scene where Brett and Dallas are found transforming into eggs
>>was filmed and can even be seen in the new Alien laserdisc, I think it
>>should be accepted that this is how Aliens were meant to reproduce.
>>And since Cameron completely fucked this up, this is an inconsistency
>>to me.
>
>My feeling is that the "Brett and Dallas turn into eggs" scene is *not*
>canon and *can't* be used as evidence because it was cut out of the
>final film.
>[...]
>The existence of the "Brett and Dallas turn into eggs" scene on the
>laserdisc does not change that.  In fact, since this scene was added
>to the laserdisc *after* the release of "Aliens," I maintain that it
>is the *laserdisc* that is inconsistent.

	I agree with you, but I have one minor nit to pick. While the
new ALIEN laserdisc includes the scene as an extra, it has not been
added to the actual film. Scott could have done that if he'd wished to,
just as Cameron added in new footage to ALIENS in the special laserdisc
edition. Thus Scott himself is in effect indicating this scene is not
part of the "canon". It's just an outtake.

						Kayembee
From: redrum@carson.u.washington.edu (Joe Stremick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Blade Runner / Violence, quoestion
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:44:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov6.224402.25596
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Nov5.204837.494@cc.tut.fi> jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia) writes:
>
>
>Does the director's cut 1992 of Blade Runner contain
>the violence in European release had?
>In USA, the extra violence is available on Criterion
>disc.
>

	No, the extra seconds of violence are not seen in the
Director's Cut.  I was dissapointed.

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From: blum@medici.ils.nwu.edu (Daniel Blum)
Subject: Re: Computers in Films/TV
Reply-To: blum@ils.nwu.edu
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:49:40 GMT

How about M5, from Star Trek?

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______________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum           Institute for the Learning Sciences   Room 327
blum@ils.nwu.edu   1890 Maple Ave., Evanston, IL 60201   708-467-2306

"The only actual `Socratic' was Socrates, who may or may not have 
 actually existed, as he himself would doubtless be the first to admit
 if he were alive today."
______________________________________________________________________
From: dfs5716@usl.edu (Seidel Daniel F)
Subject: Re: computers in films
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:47:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.230315.11127@syacus.acus.oz.au> steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff) writes:
>How about:
>The cubic-mile Krell computer in "Forbidden Planet"?
>"Marvin", the ship's computer and "Deep Thought" in "The hitch-hikers Guide..."?
>"Joshua" and an old IMSAI 8080(!) in "War Games"?
>The shootout in the computer room in "Die Hard"?
>"HAL 9000" and "SAL 9000" in 2001 and 2010?
>"Orac" and ? in "Blake's Seven"?
      Slave^^^Zen
>Dexter Riley (Kurt Russell!) in "The Computer that wore Tennis Shoes"?
>"Edgar" in "Electric Dreams"?
>"Colussus" in "The Forbin Project"?
>"MCP" in "Tron"?
>
>I'll think of more... ...These off the top of my head.
>
>Steve Malikoff.
>steven@syacus.acus.oz.au


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From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: Alien 3 : Questions
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:11:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.023909.3026@nuscc.nus.sg>, ccechk@nuscc.nus.sg (Heng Kek) writes:
 
> 1. Some Usenetters have mentioned that the alien in A1 transformed
> Brett and Dallas into eggs.  Did this happen in the movie or the
> comics (which I have not read)?  I didn't see it happen in the
> movies.

It didn't happen in the movies.  Posts on this refer to scenes that were 
filmed, but never included in the first movie.  A version of these scenes
was also adapted in the first book. The _Alien_ laserdisc has some 
additional info and the like included, such as scenes like this one.

> 2. In A3, what was the doctor's secret?  I couldn't make out the
> conversation then (before the alien came to whack him).  I only got
> the gist that he somehow killed some people and got his license
> downgraded... or something like that.

The doctor's secret was not the big hairy deal they foreshadowed. . .
essentially, you're right: A bunch of people died due to his negligence,
and he was sent to prison.  Yawn.
 
> 3. How did the alien die in the end?  Why did it burst to pieces
> when Ripley released that fluid on it?  Some reaction with the lead
> it was under?

This is what most people theorized.  For my money, I think that whatever
it's made out of couldn't stand the stress of such rapid heating and then
cooling.  Most (well, many) materials would shatter.
 
> 4. How did Ripley know that it was a queen alien she was hosting?
> Just from the scanned images?

Yup

> 5. The alien emerging from the dog seemed so much bigger than the
> kind that comes from humans.  How come?  (I know, I know, this is
> probably a silly question since it wasn't explained in the movie.)

Hmm. . .it actually seemed a bit smaller to me.  
There are no silly questions. . .just silly movies. . .
 
> 6. What did Bishop (the android) say about wanting to be
> disconnected?  Again, couldn't hear the conversation well.  Was it
> that he knew that Ripley was hosting an alien and didn't want to
> tell her?

He said he didn't want to go on because he'd "been the best," and knew
he would never be what he was.  Which is yet more gratuitous b.s.; the
level of tech displayed in these movies is certainly enough to restore
Bishop.  Yawn.

> 7. Lastly, how many points would Ripley have got for that dive into
> the furnace, if she'd executed it in the Barcelona Olympics? :)

4.5; there's a 5.0 degree of difficulty. . .
 
> Please, I hope someone responds.  I need to know.

Hahahahahahahahaha. . .this one goes straight into the quote file. . .

Kevvy Kev
"Now, I don't generally mind when a movie doesn't go the way I thought it
 would, but it does bug me when my way is a lot better."
  -Jan Wolter
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