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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith (Purdue?  Wisconsin?)
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:57:48 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Sep13.131612.16105@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>Well, I saw a little blurb in the paper today about this 7'0" center from
>Chicago named Rashard Griffith.  I think he's a senior, but I'm not sure.

 Rashard Griffith: Not a Stiff.

[from Recruiter's Handbook, Brick Oettinger, May 1992]:

Nat'l Rank: 4.  7-1, 255, Chicago Martin Luther King, IL.  Junior Stats:
22 ppg, 14 rbs, 5 blk, 60% FG, 65% FG {RC: ouch!}, team 27-2, lost in city
finals.  Career highs of 39 pts, 17 rebounds and 11 blocks.  Will be four-
year starter.  Strong presence around the basket at both ends, has a nice
jump hook.  2.7 gpa, will take SAT first time in June.  
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 Other things I've read about this guy say that he's amongst the most
physically intimidating recruits, but is not very mobile.  Can't really
jump.  Good defender, strong rebounder.  Can shoot out to 15'.  Does not
possess great hands.  Both Rasheed Wallace and Darnell Robinson are ranked
ahead of him at center.  I saw him in the NIKE camp all-star game, and wasn't
terribly impressed.  However, those games aren't really big-man oriented.
I think he would fit in perfectly with a half court kind of team.

Robert Clough, DUMC (though certainly not speaking for them)
     "In the future, there will be fewer, but better, Russians"--J. Stalin
From: dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee)
Subject: Ronnie Henderson to sign with LSU
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:47:44 GMT

Today's Clairon Ledger (Jackson, MS newspaper) reports that Murrah High School
star guard Ronnie Henderson will announce Wednesday he will attend LSU.  

Henderson cited all of the pressure that Othella Harrington was under last year
by waiting until May to sign, so he will take advantage of the early signing
period.

Folks- you can criticize Dale Brown all you want, but he is going to have the best two guards in the nation next year.


David


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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Necessity of a Big Man
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:14:06 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

It is said that a team needs at least three NBA-caliber players to win
it all, including the NCAA Tournament Championship.  I am not sure if
the center's size has anything to do with it or not, but having a hugh,
dominating center sure helps a lot.  But not if he keeps fouling out
of games.


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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith (Purdue? Wisconsin?)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:33:22 GMT

sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin) writes:

>Robert Clough says he's slow and immobile.  Jazzy J says he's cat
>quick.  Which is it?

I had a cat that had a stroke once.  He was slow and immobile.  Maybe
he's like our cat was.

For what it's worth, I only saw a little bit of Rashard playing once,
and he looked to have "slow feet" in terms of positioning.
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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Correction - NCAA Records
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:47:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In an earlier exchange between Bob Butera and myself, I mentioned:

>>>	-- The top 10 rebounders in nCAA history
>>
>>I've got the top 5 for pre- and post-1973.  (some b-ball history buff
>>(Dr. Burch?) care to exlain the significance of 1973 for those of us
>>that were still riding bikes with training wheels at the time?)

>Well, I *could* say that 1973 was notable as my freshman year in 
>college (back before Dr. J was Mr. J) but I don't think that is what
>the NCAA had in mind.

>I know of no major rule changes at the time - I suspect the NCAA 
>wanted to define a "modern" era of basketball and simply chose 1973
>(maybe since it was around 20 seasons prior to publication of the 
>1992 stat book, they liked the round number).

Well, I've found out what happened.  The NCAA record book mentions
that 1973 was the year that the rules defining Divisions I, II, and
III were cast into their present form.  So a lot of the pre-1973
records are a trifle hazy regarding which division some of the
schools should be in.  That's all.  I guess in some loose sense, 
this does indeed defines the "Modern Era".

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From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith (Purdue? Wisconsin?)
Date: 14 Sep 92 04:00:24 GMT
	<19517@ector.cs.purdue.edu> <BuJuJK.CB4@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


I didn't mean to be unclear; I know that at the top Rob said he wasn't
a stiff.  I was referring to the comments on mobility.

Robert said he was not very mobile.  Jazzy J said he was catlike.

Specifically, Robert said:

>> Other things I've read about this guy say that he's amongst the most
>> physically intimidating recruits, but is not very mobile.  Can't really
>> jump.  Good defender, strong rebounder.  Can shoot out to 15'.  Does not
>> possess great hands.

And Jazzy J said:

>> He's very mobile, and moves around like a cat.

Now, both reports agree that he is an intimidating presence, but I
found the direct contradiction interesting, thus I asked.  I didn't
mean to put words in Rob's mouth (as he did say directly that Griffith
wasn't a stiff).

So, to ask again:

Robert Clough says he's slow and immobile.  Jazzy J says he's cat
quick.  Which is it?

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I won one game, three to two, too.

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith (Purdue?  Wisconsin?)
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:44:11 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


Robert Clough says he's a stiff; Jazzy J says he isn't.

Which is it?

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I won one game, three to two, too.

                      Beef:  Real food for a dead planet.
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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Jamal Faulkner stripped of scholarship
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:18:55 GMT


     Just heard on the news that Jamal Faulkner has
been stripped of his scholarship and "invited" to
transfer to another school for allegedly violating
his probation again last night by striking his
girlfriend during an argument and preventing her
from leaving the room.  She called police.

     While I'm glad to see ASU finally taking some
steps to control the problems, I'm concerned that
they've gone overboard and thrown out the baby with
the bath water.  Whatever happened to due process?

     At this point I fear scrambling to salvage
the university's rapidly dwindling reputation is
more important to ASU officials than due process.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
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From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Guess What Time of Year It Is?
Keywords: Left Coast Babbble
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:32:11 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <716060498@stego.cs.duke.edu>, rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith) writes:
> Well, we know it's Septebmer when 90% of the posts are about the Pac-10.
> It's always this way until Mid-March, then they have no more teams left
> playing.
> Only 6 months till the real season!

Two words -   Eat me.....



			gln
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UCLA News
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:59:47 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <matthew.715973577@base.cs.ucla.edu>, matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
> The LA Times reported that UCLA finished up their Italian tour with a 5-4
> record.  "Mr." Ed O'Bannon scored 29 in their final win.


Reports in the Tucson papers praised the play of O'Bannon to no end. IT appears
that he was clearly the best player on the court and was capable of playing
the experienced competition with ease. Now the question seems to be how
much help will he get from the rest of the Ruin's lineup...


			gln
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kansas Jayhawks
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:46:14 GMT
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Sep7.154147.42833@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2ftzlead@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>The Univ. of Kansas
>Why no comments on the 1993 promising team, Kansas Jayhawks ?
>
Because they aren't worth commenting on.  
Hack, smack a Jayhawk.    :-)
Go K-State

Actually, KU has tons of potential to be a great team.  But as
recent history has shown, KU chokes when they're predicted to
do well.  So maybe the KU fans are hoping to keep quiet to 
dispell this curse.
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From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Shaq's impact
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:05:13 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

I seem to remember a certain team (Syracuse) that had at a time anywhere
from 2-4 very good NBA players.  On the team with 4 NBA players, if I
remember correctly it didn't get past the second round of the tourney.
Did any of them get past the second round?  The weakest player on that
team was Stevie Thompson who was a pretty good college player.

Stevie Thompson
Sherman Douglas
Ronnie Sykaly (yes I know I butchered his name)
Billy Owens
Derrick Coleman

No one doubted that Owens and Coleman were going to be NBA stars.
There was very little doubt that Ronnie would be a very good player,
the only flap that I remember was whether he should have been drafted
that high.  As for Sherman he was a high first rounder until he
decided not to show up for any of those camps.  All 4 of them are
pretty good NBA players.  Two could be superstars in aa few years.

Why don't you guys admit it.  You can say it, no one will laugh
go ahead say it say it

"I hate Shaq, I love Ferry, I mean Laettner.  I think Chrisy is god"

That's coughing not laughter.
If you don't like the guy just say so.  But spare the rest of us the
this nonsense about failure in college = failure in NBA.
Or at least come up with some real arguments.
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Need UMass Minutemen Schedule !!!!!!
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:50:26 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <18373.2aa8f0a8@ecs.umass.edu> rajain@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>
>Could someone post the schedule for UMass Minutemen for the upcoming
>92-93 season. Or send me email at: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
>		Thanks,
>			Rajat. 

The above posting contains a syntax error.  The appropriate usage of 
the name of the Minutemen school is UMASS!!! (tm).  It *must* be in
capital letters, it *must* be followed by 3 exclamation marks.  The
use of the expression (tm) is optional.

Don't let it happen again.    :-)

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From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA All-time leaders
Date: 12 Sep 92 14:47:02 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <1992Sep12.011432.1631@cs.ucla.edu> lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
>
>In article <68008@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>>
>>Of course Trent would.  There are some who would say the Roman Empire
>>was great too, but most of the rest of us have already moved into
>>the Modern Age, and left certain unnamed schools in the dust.  Super
>>sheesh!
>
>And you would deny that the Roman Empire was one of the greatest and
>longest-lived in the history of the Western World?

Nope.  But who have they conquered lately?  Even UNLV has a better
record in the decade of the 1980s than the Romans have.

>And notice, for ye' who might be quick try to falsely complete the
>analogy and point out that the Roman Empire is dead -- this is true,
>but the Bruins Still Live On, and will RISE AGAIN at the time They
>so deem appropriate.
>- Trent Lange

I think we'll see the Second Coming of Our Lord first.

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From: foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: Michigan Wolverines
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 10:46:14 GMT
Distribution: newsgroup
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <BuF30v.IvE@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, clammemb@fe614.cc.purdue.edu (matt) writes:
|> 
|> I will agree that Michigan has the talent, but do they have the 
|> chemistry to win?  
|> 
|> The USA Olympic team showed that a team of allstars can win but they were
|> in an entirely different situation.
|> 
|> I'm not sure that the Wolverines have the attitude or work ethic to be
|> champions, and I'm not sure that Fisher is the man who will instill it in
|> them.

From what I heard, the players took it upon themselves to work extra hard
in practice. Chris Webber explained in an article for the Raleigh
News and Observer that at the players insistence the losing team in 
scrimmages had to run 2 miles after practice. He said that this 
instilled in them the desire not to lose. Additionally, the kids
put in their time in the weight room and the class room. 

Yea, they do come across as having an attitude but they also had an 
enormous amount of media attention heaped on them. More than they
had ever seen.

I think the Michigan bunch is going to be a very good team in the near
future, er, unfortunately.

|> 
|> 
|> 
|> Just a thought
|> (from a lowly freshman)
|> 
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Necessity of a Big Man
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:08:36 GMT


	There are plenty of teams in the past that have won the NCAAs
	without a huge and big center.  Let's look at the past winners:

	1992:  Duke -- Laettner big and tough?  Let's get real...
	1991:  Duke --    ""     "   "    "      "     "   "
	1990:  UNLV -- David Butler was a stringbean at center
	1989:  Michigan -- Loy Vaught was tough -- but big at 6'9"?
	                   Terry Mills was Mr. Doughboy if anything.
	1988:  Kansas -- Danny Manning played center and now is a small
	                 forward in the pros...
	1987:  Indiana -- Dean Garrett was yet another stringbean...

	From the list above -- it seems that the center position is filled
	more with a mobile, versatile, finesse - type of center, rather
	than a big bruising center.  Perhaps this is the key to winning
	NCAA championships?

	Jazzy J
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Dream News (was: Re: Cal News (was: UCLA News))
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:54:26 GMT

In article <matthew.716074566@base.cs.ucla.edu> matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu  
(Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
> 
> For Ronnie Smith:
>   I had a dream last night.  To increase parity, the NCAA has decided to
>   make some coaching switches.  Bill Frieder will take over a Duke, with
>   Krzyzewski moving to ASU (now we'll see how good a coach he *really* is).
>   Further, Guy Lewis will come out of retirement and take over at Michigan.

Funny, I had this same dream too, except Coach K was sent to Clemson to
replace a fired Cliff Ellis, who was sent to Durham for a course in 
sportcoat selection at Durham Tech and the famous Duke Rice Diet (tm).

K was replaced by Duke football coach Barry Wilson, who was replaced with
a College of Coaches simliar to that once used by the Chicago Cubs.  The
rotating group included not Guy, but Jerry Lewis, the proverbial dead donkey,
former T.J. Hooker star and aging teen idol Adrian Zmed, and a bearded lady
left homeless by Hurricane Andrew.

Football fans nationwide hailed the improvement, and Dean still had to
coach against the "Ratman".  The Pac-10 was untouched.  The cheese stands
alone.

Orin

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Grant Hill 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:05:51 GMT

trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:

>Grant Hill is certainly an excellent player with unlimited potential.  
>However, I truly think that he has yet to truly tap that potential.  His
>outside shooting is not the equal of Laettner's, and he must develop his
>post game a bit more.  Most of all, he sometimes shows a lack of aggression
>on the court, a "killer instinct", if you will.  To some degree, he may have
>been deferring to other players on that team, but sometimes he actually seems
>timid on the court.  Next year, he will be expected to be the leading scorer
>on the team, and he will need to become the kind of clutch shooter that
>Laettner was.  He will also need to stay healthy.  Hill has missed seven 
>games so far in his career, and been ineffective due to injury in several
>others.  Laettner only missed one game in his entire career.  Hill may go
>on to eclipse Laettner's feats at Duke and in the pros, but Laettner was the
>big reason Duke went back to back.

	This year is Grant Hill's chance to shine.  I would agree that he
	needs to improve his outside shooting -- did he attempt but 1 3-pter
	all of last season?  I don't really think that he needs to develop
	much of a post game -- in the NBA his position is going to be guard
	-- that's why the outside shooting will be important to him.  I
	would project him as a 6-8 shooting guard.  He certainly has the
	athletic ability to defend those players in the pros..

	I would most agree that Grant Hill is going to have to be very
	assertive this season.  While, most probably Hurley is going to be
	the team leader -- Grant is going to be the go-to guy, and he's
	just going to have to show a bit more emotion in his play.  Often
	he does get the job done -- but he's just too quiet IMHO.  Anyways,
	I do see Grant Hill becoming the best player in Duke history after
	he's through...

	Jazzy J
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA All-time leaders
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:59:06 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <68008@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>He holds the NCAA record for most points scored in a game (100), against
>Newberry, Feb. 13, 1954 (41 field goals, 18 free throws), for Division
>I.  But he does not hold the overall NCAA scoring record for a game!
>That honor belongs to a Division II player (bonus points - name him
>and his total for that game between Rio Grande and Hillside on Feb 2,
>1954 - 11 whole days before Selvy's record).


Bevo Francis(Frances?), and I think it was 113, but I wouldn't bet my
bank account on my memory.





Russ Smith
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