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From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: More humorous developmental milestones
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:02:01 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1jmn6oINN3m4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
 >      I enjoyed the funny milestones someone posted earlier, such as
 > being able to stall past bedtime an excessive amount, or the 1st time the
 > kid yells "no!" at you.  I thought of some others, with smileys for all:
 ...
 > Cognitive
 >      By age 1.5, most children will be able to time the moment they need
 > something *exactly* when a parent gets busy doing something else

A common instance of the above milestone is when the baby develops the
skill required to consistently wake up from a nap at the exact moment
Mommy and Daddy are sitting down to dinner.  The drive to prevent
Mommy and Daddy from enjoying a simple meal together can be very
strong.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Newsgroups: dtrc.annapolis,misc.kids,dc.forsale,dtrc.carderock,misc.forsale
Subject: For Sale: Baby Monitor (radio)
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:24:25 GMT
Reply-To: goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg)
Followup-To: dtrc.annapolis
Distribution: dc
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center, Annapolis, MD

Gerry Deluxe Baby Monitor radio.  Receiver works on AC or battery.
49Mhz.  has worked well in a two-story home.  Call Joy Goldberg,
410/224-4705, after hours.  Asking $40.

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========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein=======
From: lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things you do to save time
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:34:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8fNMF3m00WBMI4W2Zr
Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I'm hoping this will work again when it's needed & that I don't jinx our
luck by posting, so here goes:

Mickey is very hard to wake up in the morning; it sometimes takes us 30
minutes or more to get him awake enough to go downstairs for breakfast. 
It finally occurred to me this morning that we should use the sleepy
time to get him changed & dressed - since he's not fighting us & those
30 minutes are otherwise "wasted".  Once he's dressed, he can have his
breakfast.

It worked great this morning.  He's no harder to change when he's sleepy
than his baby sister is (actually easier, since he rolls over more
slowly).  The actions of changing him are smooth & gentle (instead of us
battling to get diaper pins in, etc.) and he woke up gradually as I
worked with him.  When it was time to put his socks on, he held up one
foot, then the other.  By the time we were ready to pull up his pants,
he was groggy enough to stand up & lean against me, and then put his
arms in his shirt.  After he was dressed, I let him lie down in my bed
while I went off to get my shower.  After Daddy had breakfast ready,
Mickey was awake enough to go downstairs & eat.  It was a remarkably
peaceful morning in our house!

This may fall in the category of "Duh, I thought everyone knew that",
but we didn't & we're happy to have one more trick to try.

Laura
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: interns/students at delivery
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:45:00 GMT

In article <73835@cup.portal.com>, Renee@cup.portal.com (Renee Linda Roberts) writes...
>Something to consider:
> 
>The students/interns will probably do a better job than the
>normal staff. It is literally their butts on the line!
> 
And, the students/interns are there more often. Your doctor
saunters in and out, occasionally, but the students/interns
usually spend time in the room with you. This also applies
to after the delivery. Frankly, when I was in labor, which
was difficult both times, all I wanted was the baby out, I
didn't care if the whole world watched!
                              Patti Twigg
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: Re: students/interns at delivery
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:44:50 GMT

In article <C19Eqt.3sB@acsu.buffalo.edu>, oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
> In article <1993Jan22.070107.26558@netcom.com>, esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry) writes...
> > 
> 
> It sounds like some experiences with medical studens/interns are 
> very good (see original post below).  However, in my birthing 
> class one woman told of how an entire CLASS ON TOUR was brought 
> in to watch her deliver.  She did not appreciate it.  Also, at 
> this hospital one does not sign a form giving permission for the 
> students to be present.  They will be present unless you 
> specifically state otherwise.  Another thing to watch for is 
> students making their rounds with doctors.  You could be put on 
> display, unless of course you refuse, which it seems people don't 
> think of doing until too late.
> 
> It seems that if you have only 1 or 2 students to deal with, and 
> are able to form a friendly relationship with from early in the 
> labor, that they are more welcome.  I think its very 
> inconsiderate to bring an entire class on tour into a delivery.
> 
> Personally, I don't want any medical students or nursing students 
> present because I am a very private person to begin with and I 
> work at the Medical School.  But I can certainly see where they 
> make a welcome addition under some circumstances.
> 
> - Peggy -
> 

An entire class on tour? Weelll, if each and every student had removed their
clothing down to the genitals and then sat spread-eagled to watch the
delivery, I wouldn't mind so much. In fact, if my birthing center plans
fall through and I have to go to the back-up hospital, which is a teaching
hospital, unfortunately, AND a class comes by, I'll invite them right in
with that one disrobing stipulation!!

Because it's a teaching hospital, the midwives get a lot of grief when they
refuse to let students/interns in. Nevertheless, the midwives will respect
the parents wishes on this. That's why I've chosen these midwives. They
give all respect and freedom of choice on many matters to the parents.
If a midwifery student wishes to be present, I will welcome that. In fact,
if a midwife student is at the birth, then the hospital is happy and doesn't
try to have all manner of other students present.

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com
From: ck270@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrea Von Ahnen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: XXL diaper wraps?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:36:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


My sister bought some of the inexpensive nylon taffeta 
diaper wraps sold through The Natural Baby Co. catalog for her
40+ lbs. 2 year old (and he was probably easily 45 lbs. by
the time he potty trained at 2.5).  They were $3.95 each and
were huge, much bigger than any other wraps she'd found.  If
she double diapered, the wraps didn't seem to stay up very
well, but if you use only one diaper, or if your son wears
pants over them (my nephew was a shirt and diaper kind of
guy :)  ) they'd probably be fine.
   
Andi
From: ns@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nancy M. Schnepp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: RECIPES NEEDED FOR FUSSY EATERS
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:57:35 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

I have two fussy eaters, ages 7 and 11.  I am very tired
of the spaghettios or macaroni and cheese suppers.  
One will eat fish and hot dogs, 
the other will eat chicken nuggets, but no other meat.  
Any fresh ideas out there??

THANKS!!!

e-mail
ns@physics.purdue.edu


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From: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Subject: SUBJECTS NEEDED FOR PSYCH. STUDY
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: gpmenos@firestone.Princeton.EDU (Gerard Philippe Menos)
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:40:45 GMT

I am posting the following announcement for my sister.  
She is looking for subjects, primarily in the New York 
City area (the closer to Manhattan, the better) or in 
the vicinty of Princeton, NJ, to participate as subjects 
in a study on the psychology of the postpartum period.

At this point, my sister is in greatest need of subjects 
for the control group --females between 18 to 40 years 
of age, with no children, who are not presently pregnant.  
If you can participate or if you know people who can 
participate, please read on.  The telephone nunber to
call is listed below.

Thanks,
Phil Menos

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AFTER THE REBULTS HAVE BEEN ANALYZED, IF YOU WISH, I WILL
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YOUR TYPICAL SHIFTS IN PERSONALITY ORGANIZATION UNDER STRESS,
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From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:21:44 EST
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1993Jan22.020602.531435@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer) writes:
> I've thought about this issue long and hard and I think the answer I have
> applies to both those parents who have and those who have not used or abused
> drugs.
> 
> People have different body chemistries and what is enjoyable to one person
> may be completely unpleasant to another.  However, I believe that there is
> some drug that will be pleasant to each person, so pleasant that having once
> experienced the drug, that person will have a problem with craving that
> drug for the rest of his or her life.  For some it is alcohol, for others 
> barbiturates.  Some are perscription drugs, some are legal drugs, and some are
> on the forbidden list.  But I don't think that matters as much as what will
> happen if you sample a drug which is the right chemical balance for your
> system.


I know you mean well, but this is so stupid!  Are you saying that for each and
every one of us there is some chemical substance somewhere--could be pot, could
be a camel dung/qat mixture from Saudi Arabia--that will turn each and every
one of us into something out of a Hogarth lithograph???  (As in lying in the
middle of the street drooling) Or that if we cannot get this substance we will
spend the rest of our lives twitching at our desks, snapping pencils and
sweating???

Sorry, but I'd have to give this JLT-theory the big *BRRZZZ* [WRONG!]

Ann Helmers 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: pre-teen sex play
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 13:04:59 GMT

In article <4570323@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com> janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus) writes:
>>In any event, getting back to the original question: should I "tell"
>>or "not tell" if I come across a friend's children indulging in pre-
>>teen sex play, I'd say it's important to realize that _they aren't my
>>kids_. Making a stealthy suggestion to the parents that their kids
>>might be developing sexually is about as far as I personally would
>>feel comfortable sticking my nose into their business.
>
>Okay, one last post on this topic and then I promise to butt-out.
>If I remember the original post (correct me if I'm wrong), 
>the kid in question was not a friend's kid, but rather was a family
>member.  Kids in my extended family are not my kids, but I feel a
>much greater responsibility to them than I do for a friend's kid.


  My only post on this is that the original post came from an
  anonymous site.  While it might have been a legitimate post,
  it could have been a hoax.  We had a rash of these posts from
  that anonymous site on soc.culture.asian.american entitled such
  things as:

  "Chinese girls are Bimbos"
  "Openminded African-American male seeks exclusively Asian females"
   ^^^^^^^^^^
and such...

  I was suspicious because:

  a) what was this person doing in the middle of the night looking
	for someone else's cat?
	 
  b) why did he then descend the stairs and continue whistling for the
	cat when he thought he heard something?

  c) what was he doing sneaking into the basement in the middle of the
	night at his friend's house?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: SAFE SEX or SAFER SEX?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:15:17 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <16B61ADAE.M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org> M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk) writes:
 ...
 >   If you talk about sex with a condom, use the correct term - SAFER
 > sex.  If condoms are AIDs-proof (and I don't mean 99.1%), please
 > clarify this matter for me.
 >   You can use the term 'SAFER sex' when talking about approving of your
 > teens having sex and be more realistic about what you are approving, I would
 > think.

Given that the term "safe sex" is now pretty much entrenched, you
probably won't be successful if you mount a campaign to get society at
large to switch to your more accurate term.  So I'd suggest that a
more realistic and worthwhile approach is to make sure that your
children understand that when people say "safe sex" they're not
talking about something that's 100% safe.  Using the term "safer sex"
in your own discussions would make sense only if you made sure your
kids understand that there's this other term that they'll hear, and
that it means the same thing.  Otherwise you'll just compound the risk
for your kids, since logic would suggest that two different terms
would naturally refer to two different things.

Even better would be to teach your kids that almost without exception,
the word "safe" is used in a relative manner, since hardly anything is
ever 100% safe.  So, e.g., if somebody tells them it's safe to walk on
the ice, they should interpret it to mean that the chances of falling
through are very slight, in the estimation of the speaker.

The important thing here, of course, is to make sure that your
children understand the potential consequences of sexual activity, and
practices that minimize the risk of incurring those consequences.
Also, they need to feel empowered to implement those practices should
they choose to have sex (e.g. they should know where they can obtain
condoms).  If you only teach the risks and assume that your child will
choose abstinence based on that teaching, in all likelihood you'll be
wrong, and your child may well be unprepared to approach the
experience in a responsible manner.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute Things They Say (2 YO)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 00:15:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu
Summary: 3 stories

At our local McDonald's, senior citizens and kids under 8 years old
can get free ice cream cones.  After he ate his ice cream, the 
following conversation ensued:

Dylan:  I want more ice cream, please.
Me:     Sorry, but you know you only get one cone per visit.
Dylan:  We go through door again, get another ice cream!

Nice try, kiddo.
===
Two related "kids hear things differently" stories:

Dylan was given a toy with traffic signs in them.  He held up the
sign for "No U-Turn" and asked me what it was.  I told him "That
says, 'no u-turn'."  Dylan thought for a second and then said, "No
you turn, no me turn, no Daddy turn."

Gary was reading a book to Dylan in which an hourglass was pictured.
Dylan pointed to it and asked what it was.  Gary said it was an
hourglass.  Dylan immediately said "Not your glass, not Mommy's
glass, not Bogie's (our cat) glass, not my glass.  Our glass!"
-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 2 years)	 	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson)
Subject: Re: Things you do to save time
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:06:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.144503.25075@crd.ge.com> dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com 
(Kate Dudding) writes:
>
>Problem: minimize grocery shopping time.
>

Well, we treated this as an opportunity instead of a problem.  I take
my daughter shopping and we te our time.  S Heather loves to look at
all the pretty colors that the manufacturers put on their packages to
get you to notice and buy them, she and I get some time together, and
my wife has uniterrupted time for work like grading or paying the
bills.  These days Heather, 2yo, "helps" by pushing the cart (which
then needs a LOT of steering from Dad) and gets enough exercise to
sleep well that night.

                                  Chris



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Internet: nelsonc@cs.rpi.edu  |  RENS-se-ler is a city. 
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bsn@world.std.com (Brent S Noorda)
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:11:15 GMT

We stop using pot and then our lives become empty, and so we have
children.  This fills our lives because it gives us someone to have
control over.  And after giving up pot we forget that a life can be
complete even when we're not controlling someone.

Now that I've had experience with both pot and children, I prefer pot.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

That silent type of scream happens a lot to our friend's son.
The first time I saw it happening was during a party while his father was
 outside. The boy got upset when someone took his toy away; he took a big
breath and we were waiting for him to let out this huge sream. But instead
he was holding the air in and trun a bit bluish. We all got scared and people
in the room started to come up with suggestion what to do, I ran for his
father who came in and calmly said that this this not a rare event. 

From now on , I am not as scared when this boy cries but still have an
an uneasy feeling when he is turning bluish.



							Inna
Organization: Modern Languages Program, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:36:27 -0500 
From: Nancy Monda <nm0b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Thumb Sucking


Hi.  I have only been reading this .net for about a week now so if this
question has been asked recently, please forgive me.

My soon-to-be-six-year-old is still in the habit of sucking his fingers.
 He usually only does it at home, when he's tired, when we're reading,
when he's watching TV, maybe in the car.  But he does do it frequently
enough to annoy his father and me.

When he was little, it was cute and I didn't do anything to try and stop
him.  I figured it was his security blanket.  He was a colicky baby and
when he found his fingers he became much less fussy.  As he got older I
started to worry - about his teeth, and just about the habit in general.
 Now that he's in Kindergarten, I'm really getting nervous that he'll
NEVER stop!

Does anyone have advice on whether I should encourage him to stop, if so how?
Should I be worried about his teeth? - he still has all his baby teeth,
but I imagine he'll start to lose them soon.

I'm particularly interested because his 16-month old brother sucks his
thumb (sigh).

Thanks,  Nancy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: tini@iss.nus.sg (Surjatini Widjojo)
Subject: Re: Straightforward breastfeeding question
Summary: breastfeeding question
Organization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:19:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.232153.5399@news.acns.nwu.edu> connie@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Constance
 Stillinger) writes:

>Right now Morris, my 4-week-old, is nursing about 9 times a day, about
>10 minutes on each breast.  He's gaining weight rapidly and making
>lots of wet and dirty diapers, so I know things are okay.
>
>Now my question: Supposedly as Momo gets older he will want to feed
>less frequently.  But does this mean that he will be spending more
>time nursing at each feeding, or will he still spend about the same
>time on each breast but be getting more milk per unit time?
>
When my daughter was 6 months, she nurses 4 times a day, approx 5
minutes each side. That was when she just started solids...

In my opinion, initially, it takes longer 'cos of the breasts need the
frequent stimulation. Also, the baby's stomach is smaller, thus can
take less milk. As the breasts get more efficient in milk production,
and the baby's stomach is bigger, he gets more milk per unit time.

tini

p.s. Has anyone notice how they change their nursing habits as they
get older? Mine went through several stages: at first she'd nurse
anywhere and let me do anything (read, phone conversations, etc), then
she doesn't let me do anything (no talking/reading/walking) at about
3-4 months; at around 6 months, she's so easily distracted I have
to nurse her in a darkened room; now she nurses anywhere and likes me
to talk to her...



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