HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Estonian trade and the reputations of nations
Date: 10 Jan 93 10:45:19 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Tapani Hietnaniemi (thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi) writes:
>> Why? Sure, there are a lot more people in the CIS, but economically
>> they are not a very attractive as a main trading partner. Finland had
>> something like 15-20% of the trade with the Soviet Union, and look
>> what happened to them.
>
>What has happened to us? I am not up to date...

That 15-20% fell to about zero, and that was not because the trade with
all over countries suddenly sky-rocketed. And few countries loses 15-20%
of their trade without taking menace.

-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: FREE STOCKS NEWSLETTER!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:12:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.074633.3620@inesc.pt>, rgc@eagle.inesc.pt (Rui Gustavo Crespo) writes...
>-Enhances speculative investments against long-term investment on infrastructures
>(such as I&D, transportation and education).
>-Destroys industry in favor of finantial firms: UK and USA are excellent
>examples for this trend. After a short-term "boom", economy dives very deep.
>-Favors short-term individualism against cooperative work: this destroys long-
>term investment and management is conducted purely on a short-term basis.


This is certainly wrong. Equity investment in companies (i.e. purchase
of stocks) means owning a part of the company. This does not =inevitably=
cause you to demand short-term profits from the company. It's odd
that a European should express the view that it does, because
Europeans by and large have been more conservative investors,
favoring the stocks of companies with high asset value. Americans,
by contrast, look for expected growth in earnings.
From: i6finn@aud2.aud.auc.dk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Q: Last song played on Radio Luxemburg ?
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:48:04 GMT
Organization: Aalborg University Center, Denmark


This is probably the wrong group, but I could not find
any better ...

It was a sad day when Radio Luxemburg closed down on December 30
1992. I listened to the last show which was aired on the old
208-frequency (I have no cable !) - but I did not recognize the
last song that they played, so
  What was the last song (Title, artist) played on Luxemburg ?
  (December 30, 1992, approx. 11.57 p.m. GMT)

E-mail is preferred and thanks in advance.

Finn M. Jensen
Department of Building Technology and Structural Engineering
Aalborg University     :    Phone: +45 98 15 85 22, Ext. 6649
Sohngaardsholmsvej 57  :    Fax: +45 98 14 82 43
DK-9000 Aalborg        :    E-mail: i6finn@aud.auc.dk
Denmark, Europe       
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Subject: Old may die
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 11:34:14 GMT


01/03 Sarajevo's Aged To Die Of Cold
 
   ZAGREB, Croatia (AP) -- Thousands of elderly people will die in Sarajevo this
winter, particularly those already ailing, a U.N. official said Sunday.
   "Many of the old people over 70 will die, especially those ill with
arthritis, rheumatism, diabetes, probably some of the babies, as well as
down-and-out people who cannot help themselves," World Health Organization envoy
Donald Acheson said after returning from the besieged city.
   An estimated 60,000 of Sarajevo's 380,000 residents are older than 70, he
said.
   Other U.N. officials have warned tens of thousands may die from exposure or
starvation throughout war-ravaged Bosnia if the fighting continues and massive
aid does not arrive.
   Acheson said the most urgent need is to keep people warm. He proposed
interrupting the airlift of food for one week and using the planes to bring in
sleeping bags and blankets.
   "It is much easier to feed people who are somehow warm," he said. "Whenever I
mentioned sleeping bags, people became tearful."
   Acheson said in the three weeks before the humanitarian airlift was restored
Dec. 21, women had lost an average 24 pounds and men 16 pounds.
   And in the cold weather, they need about 25 percent more food, he said.
   Acheson said the same problem is facing citizens of Srebrenica and Gorazde,
east of Sarajevo, and Bihac and Cazin in the northwest -- all towns that have
been besieged for months.
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: Illiberal argumentation
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:56:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.200056.19080@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@brauer.
harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
> Note that I changed the distribution field.
> 
>>In article <1993Jan7.113100.28196@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk 
>>(Matthew Huntbach) writes:
> 
>>> This is typical
>>> illiberal thinking - "you don't have an argument because of
>>> what people of your nationality did in the past". 
> 
> In article <1993Jan7.164927.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi answers:
> 
>>Right! And, it' s even worse than "illiberal" - it's barbaric
>>thinking which is used by war-mongers. We have too much of them
>>in Europe right now!
> 
> Not only illiberal, but an extremely popular one. Just
> recently I flamed some Jeremy Krolczuk for such statements.
> Most of Baltic independency supporters on the net use this 
> as their chief argument nevertheless, some as blatantly as 
> Jeremy, and some with more restraint, like Tamel. Who's
> a war-monger then?
 

A short answer to a provocative question: Anyone using the "argumentation"
critisized above is a war-monger according to my opinion.

The opinion that "most of Baltic independency supportes" use it is your
own and is not shared by me. Especially TaNel has definitively not used
such arguments. 

Which I suppose you are aware of.

with best regards
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum

Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,rec.martial-arts
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: The Origin of Western Thinking Process
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7792FC7880C04C8@luokkapolku.utu.fi>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:32:39 GMT
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:34:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.120739.822@hls.com> , silatman@hls.com writes:
>Path: hls.com!silatman
>From: silatman@hls.com

I would like to ask you, why don't you identify yourself. Don't
you believe in what you said or don't you think you are good
enough to represent the universal truth?

Olli-Jukka Paloneva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: Estonian trade and the reputations of nations
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 08:18:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.182045.22932@enea.se>, sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) 
writes:
> Tapani Hietnaiemi (thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi) writes:

Please: Hietaniemi (Sandudd paa svenska)

>>The new phenomenon that Finland has become the greatest trading partner
>>of Estonia is partly even unhealthy development. Finland should be
>>the second biggest - after CIS.
> 
> Why? Sure, there are a lot more people in the CIS, but economically
> they are not a very attractive as a main trading partner. Finland had 
> something like 15-20% of the trade with the Soviet Union, and look
> what happened to them.


What has happened to us? I am not up to date...
Or put in another way: I do not think that there exists a consensus
on "what is rotten in Finland". I would like to hear your evaluation
with argumentation. An example: during the last autumn I was in
Bavaria (Bayern). Everybody seemed to "know what happened in Sweden".
Every one "knew" that the "socialism" is Sweden "collapsed" because
there were "too many foreigners" in Sweden... You MUST agree,
because this is "common knowlegde" :-) :-)

 
> Estonia's biggest trading partner should be Russia - the day Russia
> is equally economically strong as the Western European countries.
> Until then, Estonia are correct in looking for new markets.


I agree. I would just like to know which they might be!


thinks
the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                    urbs fennorum
From: mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: ///SAK///  GERMANY, Racism, Symphaty, Other things.
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:14:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <1992Dec27.121548.4908@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>I get so tired. Yes, there are racist people in Germany. Yes there
>are regular assaults. But - it is not unique to Germany. We have
>too many of those nutheads in Sweden too. And I bet The Netherlands
>are not saved from them as well. But it is Germany on which everyone
>is pointing their finger.
>
What this article pointed out is the racist nature of Germany's
nationality laws. It is something I was unaware of until
recently. It appears that Germany, uniquely among Western
European nations, actually writes in race in its nationality
qualifications. German nationality is given to those who can
show themselves racially German, even if as in the case of
recent incomers from Eastern Europe they are descended from
people who left Germany centuries ago and no longer even use
the German language. On the other hand, people actually born
and brought up in Germany, but not racial Germans, such as the
descendants of Turkish immigrants are denied nationality, which
has quite serious effects on such things as employment opportunities.

Britain is often criticised for the racist nature of its
immigration laws. It is often said that they are designed to
give nationality only to those with a white skin, while
carefully skirting around actually mentioning the fact, with
each of the many recent tightenings being a careful refinement.
But at least there have been protests about it, and no-one, not
even on the right of the Conservative Party has actually
suggested that there should be some formal definition expressed
explicitly in terms of race. The descendants of the many Asian
and Afro-Carribean immigrants to the UK in recent years are
given full British nationality without question, very few jobs
in any case have nationality restrictions, and there is no
question of giving British nationality to the descendants of
people who left generations ago simply becaused they are white
blue-eyed aryans, or whatever it is that Germany uses to decide
what particular Russians etc should be regarded as German in
preference to their native Turkish descended people.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.spain,soc.culture.italian,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.portuguese,soc.culture.usa
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: FREE STOCKS NEWSLETTER!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:11:00 GMT

In article <C0Hv0D.8B5@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, jsw@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Westerman) writes...
>But surely this reinforces the initial argument. In the UK, and from above I


No. The original argument implied that the concept of stock itself
leads to desire for short-term gains. I'm just pointing out that
its the hand that holds the stock that matters.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:53:01 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Who's Next? (New countries in Europe)

After the breakup of Czechoslovakia into its two component republics,
namely Czech Republic, and Slovakia, it lead me to wonder Who's next.

I mean all the predictable breakups (xUssr, xprison of nations, and now
xCzechSlovakia), who will be next to seek independence?

Will it be Scotland?
Will Catalonia or the Basque country be next?
How about the Faeroe Islands?
How about Corsica or Brittany?

Will Moldova reunify with Romania? If so, what about the Gagauzi republic?

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

-Cro
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: "tony hall" <tony.hall@canrem.com>
Subject: storytelling festivals
Reply-To: "tony hall" <tony.hall@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:53:39 EST



Does anyone have any or can get, some information on Storytelling
Festivals in Europe, especially ones in France.  Some of us Canadians
will be coming to Europe this Late Spring and all Summer.  We haven't
had very much luck in getting information on Storytelling festivals,
from here.

For all of those who have tried and are trying, "Thanks in Advance".



See Ya,

THuNDER
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,rec.martial-arts
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: The Origin of Western Thinking Process
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7792E99730B04C8@luokkapolku.utu.fi>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:27:37 GMT
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:29:04 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.120739.822@hls.com> , silatman@hls.com writes:
>is known for popularizing broken truths, of removing
>people from any feeling of belonging to a universal
>harmony-bringing truth.

Ayatollahs, Fariseans, monks and priests allow peoples to feed them,
when they claim to be nourished only by the spiritual wisdom of
THE universal harmony-bringing truth. Therefore the more secular
humans - the people must try to find more and more unholy ways
of supporting their family and the representatives of the
establishment, who're making their individual living out of
being holy.

>This enables the rulers and
>movers and shakers of the western world to keep the world
>forever in Division, so that its material assets can
>be looted, and enjoyed by a select few.

The broken moral entity has been the only possible way to innovate
new products needed for technical progress. If the system had re-
jected radio and televisio as symptoms of the great satan, they
would not exist. With strict moral codes PC's, telephones and
all the measures of expressing one individual imcompetence would
distort people from the One and Holy. Also this net is one source
that brokes the morals by letting people to say, what they think.
Arab countries are not corrupted - it is quaranteed by the absense
of information techiques.

>   This world has enough food for all, and is populated
>by mostly good people everywhere. Yet, those good people
>are in a state of confusion, and are under the yoke
>of economic slavery.

Religious and nationalistic propaganda creates more cannon-
fodder than modern techno-war can consume without nuclear war.
Poor countries are fooled to choose wrong strategies in their
development.

>   Freedom of speech is said to be there, Freedom of
>Morality is said to be there. But these two are perceived
>to have no value. Freedom of Economics is a freedom 
>that is not available but to a select few, and those
>select few will use any firepower necessary to
>protect and keep it for themselves.

Agree with you. Western countries are trying to escape problems
of the population growth of the less-developed countries. The
internal libaralism that created their technological might, will
destroy them as system, when liberalism has fully roasted all the
obliges of citizen to the nation. When less-developed countries get
almost even in their strategic arms, the world will end, because of
cry of JUSTICE. The universal truth, will be the death.

Olli-Jukka Paloneva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: cwoei@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (Eric Chen)
Subject: address of the committee of the Nobel prize
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:39:10 GMT


Dear Netters : 
		
    Perhaps this article should not be posted here. I post it here because I   
 can't find any newsgroup which is related to the Noble prize or Sweden. 
                                         
    I wanna know the address, either e-mail address or letter address, and
 the Fax No. of the committee of the Noble prize. If anybody know it, please
 tell me. Thanks for your help.

 Eric Chen  Jan/6/1993
 cwoei@uz.nthu.edu.tw
 Dept. Materials Sci. & Eng.
 Natl. Tsing Hua Univ.
 Hsinchu, Taiwan, R.O.C.
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Old may die...
Date: 8 Jan 1993 05:39:34 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


01/03 Sarajevo's Aged To Die Of Cold
 
   ZAGREB, Croatia (AP) -- Thousands of elderly people will die in Sarajevo this
winter, particularly those already ailing, a U.N. official said Sunday.
   "Many of the old people over 70 will die, especially those ill with
arthritis, rheumatism, diabetes, probably some of the babies, as well as
down-and-out people who cannot help themselves," World Health Organization envoy
Donald Acheson said after returning from the besieged city.
   An estimated 60,000 of Sarajevo's 380,000 residents are older than 70, he
said.
   Other U.N. officials have warned tens of thousands may die from exposure or
starvation throughout war-ravaged Bosnia if the fighting continues and massive
aid does not arrive.
   Acheson said the most urgent need is to keep people warm. He proposed
interrupting the airlift of food for one week and using the planes to bring in
sleeping bags and blankets.
   "It is much easier to feed people who are somehow warm," he said. "Whenever I
mentioned sleeping bags, people became tearful."
   Acheson said in the three weeks before the humanitarian airlift was restored
Dec. 21, women had lost an average 24 pounds and men 16 pounds.
   And in the cold weather, they need about 25 percent more food, he said.
   Acheson said the same problem is facing citizens of Srebrenica and Gorazde,
east of Sarajevo, and Bihac and Cazin in the northwest -- all towns that have
been besieged for months.
 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Subject: test 12:00
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 20:50:58 GMT

test 12:00 saturday 9 jan 1993

Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,rec.martial-arts
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: The Origin of Western Thinking Process
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:57:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.120739.822@hls.com> silatman@hls.com writes:
>
>                  THE ORIGIN OF WESTERN THINKING PROCESS:

I assume that this was intended as a followup to the earlier
thread about "fighting words".

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: ///SAK///  GERMANY, Racism, Symphaty, Other things.
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:27:41 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Emre Erkut (emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu) writes:
>The only thing which is special to Germany is that foreigners are
>blamed rightaway for whatever goes wrong on the country.

That is definitely not at all special to Germany. Sadly, it is the same
everywhere.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,rec.martial-arts
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: The Origin of Western Thinking Process
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:05:14 GMT

In article <1itgdtINNjm4@basagran.crhc.uiuc.edu> tomm@crhc.uiuc.edu (Thomas B Maciukenas) writes:
>What does "pbuh" mean?


If I guessed well, it seems that each time you use a holy name you
need to wash your mouth for being so vulgar :-).


>-- 
>_-Tom_Maciukenas_(tomm@crhc.uiuc.edu)_________________________
>
>"To live reflected in a spoon,
> makes it too hard to stay in tune." - Greg Lake   "Huh?" - Me


Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: ///SAK///  GERMANY, Racism, Symphaty, Other things.
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:21:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.121548.4908@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog) writes:
>Why? Because of what happened 50 years ago? Unless you haven't under-
>stood, what happened in Germany with Hitler could happen in any state.

Yes, but in the case of Germany, what happened with Hitler exceeds the
limits of what can be called exception, it is slowly becoming a general
mood.

>dangerous because they occur in Germany. The only thing which is special
>with Germany in comparison with, say, The Netherlands, is that Germany
>is a bigger country and therefore can cause more damage if it comes
>under bad regime. But that applies to France, UK, Russia, or why not
>the US as well.

The only thing which is special to Germany is that foreigners are
blamed rightaway for whatever goes wrong on the country. But when the
time comes for picking up dustbins, Germans do love foreigners.


-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,rec.martial-arts
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: The Origin of Western Thinking Process
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:45:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.120739.822@hls.com> silatman@hls.com writes:
>
>                  THE ORIGIN OF WESTERN THINKING PROCESS:
>
>     Jesus is a Prophet of God, not a God or Son of God. 
>
>     God is a Creator, and the rest that exists is 
>all His Creation. 

blah, blah, blah...

In other words he proposes: "Drop your myths and follow ours".

Why? I like ours :-).

Gr
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:11144 rec.martial-arts:16721
From: tomm@crhc.uiuc.edu (Thomas B Maciukenas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The Origin of Western Thinking Process
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:11:41 -0600
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: basagran.crhc.uiuc.edu

What does "pbuh" mean?
-- 
_-Tom_Maciukenas_(tomm@crhc.uiuc.edu)_________________________

"To live reflected in a spoon,
 makes it too hard to stay in tune." - Greg Lake   "Huh?" - Me
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From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Estonian trade
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:20:45 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Tapani Hietnaiemi (thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi) writes:
>The new phenomenon that Finland has become the greatest trading partner
>of Estonia is partly even unhealthy development. Finland should be
>the second biggest - after CIS.

Why? Sure, there are a lot more people in the CIS, but economically
they are not a very attractive as a main trading partner. Finland had 
something like 15-20% of the trade with the Soviet Union, and look
what happened to them.

Estonia's biggest trading partner should be Russia - the day Russia
is equally economically strong as the Western European countries.
Until then, Estonia are correct in looking for new markets.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
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