HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: practicing roles
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:49:29 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <lafmecINNsal@mizar.usc.edu>,
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> In article <2aa77e81@ThreeL.co.uk> 
> jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher) writes:
> | In article <1992Sep4.004743.2478@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>,
> | mls@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (mike.siemon) writes:
> | > Well, if Brits weren't so [delightfully, he said] degenerate, they
> | > would just, like, KNOW, that the NATURAL condition of real he-men
> | > men is to throw one leg orthogonally over the other thigh ...
> |
> | I think in many contexts crossing your legs like that is
> | regarded as Not Quite Done over here. 
> 
> Because limeys are a bunch of nellie queens, *that's* why.

Oh Arne, how *darling* of you to use the British spelling of nellie.

We were expecting Jessie over for dinner this evening,
but she didn't turn up.  Inspecting the troops up the Heath, no doubt.
All was not lost, however, as,
given an oversufficiency of glasses of Dao and Douro,
Morag kept us in stitches with her caricatures of our own mannerisms.
(She didn't do *me*, of course, as I don't have any mannerisms.)
Nellie arrived late, having been able to steal
far fewer sleeping pills from work than we'd wanted (sigh).
After the meal (we honestly didn't have *room* for the gorgeous salad,
but we did manage to force a little chocolate cheesecake past our lips),
Morag huffed off to her room for her own private party with Patti Smith,
while the rest of us watched videos of Nurses and Prisoner
(they're trying to pin *both* fires (arson and murder) on Bea!).
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"Being kissed by a man who didn't wax his moustache was --
like eating an egg without salt." -- Rudyard Kipling
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Clayton's mistakes about gays
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:26:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep16.001721.3220@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge) writes:
>You know, I keep getting the feeling like I'm watching some sort of 
>email version of some late-night slicer-dicer gadget commercial:
>"homohater, Buchanan fan, boring and cretinous, woman-hater, 
>grandiose ...  but wait! there's more!!"

Yeah, Veg-e-matic.  Sorta fits, doesn't it?

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:17:32 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Sep11.005035.12980@resonex.com>, michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) writes:
> In article <12234@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep10.085725.19348@quantime.co.uk>, roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
# ## Such as handing over what you think is damning evidence
# ## to those people who want to legislate us out of existence?
# #
# #Oh?  Can you provide some examples?  I have yet to hear any of
# #the fundamentalists argue for extermination of homosexuals.
# 
# Oh, of course not.  They wouldn't be so *foolish* as to say that!
# No, they just want to make sure people understand that it is perfectly
# acceptable, in fact, *preferable*, to prevent gays and lesbians
# from working or having a place to live.  Nope, they don't want
# to exterminate us.  They just want to make it impossible to
# live.  *Big* difference.   :-/
# 
# Michael Bryan  michael@resonex.com  "Milk and Cheese in '92!"  |     ,_,

I see.

So many Americans agree with the fundamentalists about homosexuality
that homosexuals won't be able to find a place to live or a job
without antidiscrimination laws.

Right.

If this were really the case, you wouldn't have a snowball's
chance in hell of getting such laws passed.

This is really about trying to shut people up that say something
you don't want to hear.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Torch Song Trilogy on TV last night
Date: 11 Sep 1992 13:48:54 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep11.104421.18026@panix.com> 
mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:

[...]
> I'm not good at filling in the details of what was edited out, but
> there's really no way to "sanitize" TST and they didn't try.  It
> included plenty of swishy, nellie types, a few "straight acting"
> types, two men (pajama-clad but embracing) in bed, lots of instances
> of men displaying sexual affection towards each other, and a drag
> queen as parental role model.

The last time I saw Boys in the Band on TV (around 6 or 7 years
ago on a local LA station) it had been so heavily "sanitized" 
it made no sense at all.  Every slang term for homosexual or 
homosexual behavior was bleeped (fag, pansy, queen, nellie, 
swishy, etc. etc. etc.), and huge chunks of the film were cut.  
I mentioned it to Leonard Frey, and he thought it was *hilarious*.
It was, too.  The bleeps had the same effect as did Gore Vidal's
use of Supreme Court justices' names for naughty words in _Myron_.

> Among the sponsors were General Mills, Toyota, Procter & Gamble
> (Ivory), Home Depot, Gillette, Meinecke, Boku (which I may be
> misspelling), the New Jersey Lottery (!), and-- believe it or 
> not-- MacDonald's.

You shouldn't be all that surprised about McDonald's.  Mrs. Kroc 
(whose first name I can't ever remember), the person who *owns* 
McDonald's, has tried to make up for the harm her husband did when 
he gave money to rightwing causes by giving money to AIDS research
among other good causes.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Quayle on Homosexuality
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:42:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.173125.6693@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:
>From The New York Times (9/14/92) without permission:
>
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>QUAYLE CONTENDS HOMOSEXUALITY
>IS A MATTER OF CHOICE, NOT BIOLOGY
[...]
>In the clearest statement yet of his own beliefs on
>homosexuality, Mr. Quayle said, "My viewpoint is that it's
>more of a choice than a biological situation."

So he agrees that heterosexuality is not natural.

>When pressed on where he stood, Mr. Quayle said:  "I think it
>is a wrong choice.  It is a wrong; it is a wrong choice.  I do
>believe in most cases it certainly is a choice."

Coming from a person of his scientific caliber...

>In any case, Mr. Quayle sought to de-emphasize the debate,
>pointing out that the Bush Administration had a policy of non-
>discrimination against homosexuals.  He contrasted this with a
>Democratic Party platform position that calls for affirmative-
>action programs for homosexuals [huh?!...rod]  Mr. Quayle said
>this would lead to intrusive questioning of people's sexual
>preferences.

How sensitive.

>The President "will have a policy of nondiscrimination," Mr.
>Quayle said.  "But, obviously, the gay and lesbian activists
>are a constituency of the Democratic Party, and Bill Clinton
>has made a pledge that he will hire gays and lesbians, and the
>only way that he can do that, to have the kind of a situation,
>is to ask someone their sexual orientation.  We don't think
>it's anybody's business."

Except the government's.

--John
-- 
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From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: not really about A parable...
Date: 7 Sep 92 20:57:40
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: lile@netcom.com's message of Mon, 07 Sep 92 08:45:50 GMT

In article <=fqndhb.lile@netcom.com> lile@netcom.com (Lile Elam) writes:
>This is one of the reasons I refuse to ware sunglasses. I prefer
>to see life as it is and do not want to hide my eyes (which are
>the windows to my soul) from others. 

>I feel that when others wear sun glasses, they are trying to
>hide from me, the world, and life.

Does it make sense to judge others by your own motivations/feelings?
(Of course, most of us do.)  Anyway, here's another perspective. I
didn't wear sunglasses for years...I love eyes, I love my eyes.  I also
squinted in "normal" sunshine for all those years; my eyes and face
*hurt*.  Finally, on the advice of my brother (who has poor vision and
light-sensitive eyes) I got sunglasses.  I can *see* now in the sun.  It
doesn't hurt to go outside.  Don't condemn people for motivations they
may not have.  I would prefer to *not* "hide" my eyes, but even more I
prefer to be able to see everything clearly and not hurt.  I can always
go inside with someone and take the sunglasses off...*smile*...

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy | muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | wi.4636@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:48:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep9.174832.8492
Organization: insert anything here

In article <42558@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
>Or _The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich_ (I think that the pocket edition
>only weighs 5 pounds).

	That makes me wonder --- look at how much people have researched
Nazism.  Yet we still are doing the same things.  The oppressed become
the oppressors, and people link progress with eliminating undesired
factions from their communities.  All in all I wonder sometimes if we
really do learn anything from our mistakes... History would seem
to suggest otherwise.

>I think we can safely say that Bush ain't no Hitler, but I am
>not altogether certain about Danny-boy.

	One big difference:  Hilter had charisma - he was very good
at public speaking and bending the crowd.  Quayle's primary shortcoming
(well, in *this* context) is that he is absolutely horrible in front of
the press.  I relaly doubt he'll be able to convine people to take
him seriously...  There *are* on the other hand, other people I think
are much more threats: Buchanan for one.  If Clinton gets in and things
start moving to the Right, he will definitely woo the swing conservo-vote
on this in 1996.  I'm convinced that his whole motive this year was
practice for 1996.  Given Quayle and no other Rebpulican in the limelight,
we could see a Buchanan ticket in 1996 quite easily.

BBC
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:36:56 GMT
Organization: -

In article <65529@cup.portal.com>, ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>> "The tight-assed Tyrolean scholars were very uncomfortable even having
>> to acknowledge it," _Lambda_ said, "but Otzi is the first known homosexual
>> man that enjoyed being fucked. ...Otzi was the passive partner--of this
>> there is absolutely no doubt...The sperm has been carbon-dated."
> 
> How did they determine that he enjoyed it?
> 

Silly, they found the footprints where he twirled around on top of the
alps and they could still hear "the hills are alive..." echoing
through the mountains.

Jim
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Penny Chase)
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
	<1992Sep8.161005.15294@spdcc.com>
	<1992Sep8.171532.20403@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:06:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.171532.20403@tamsun.tamu.edu>
jeff@heckle.tamu.edu (Jeff Raymond) writes:

   I had a friend with the same condition.  And there is a medical term for it,
   if you want to impress people at parties:  Vasomotor Rhinitis.  Impressive.

And those who sneeze while eating (especially, alas, when consuming alcoholic
beverages) are afflicted with:  Gustatory Rhinitis.  Also impressive.

	Penny
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INTERNET:  pc@mitre.org
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Record trivia
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 00:39:36 GMT

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>Marilyn vos Savant's column in last week's paper (could that possibly be
>her last name?)  had a question about how many groves are on the side of a
>record.  I think her answer, which hasn't appeared yet, is going to be '1'.
>What record is a counterexample?  Blank records don't count. 

One example that comes to mind is is the (old) cylinder record, which had
no sides at all. :-)

-jeff
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: trivia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 18:29:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep10.002215.15902@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.044900.10553@nmt.edu> jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:
>>
>>Later on he sings "here is Grover Waylon unveilin the trilon",  huh?
>>Who is Grover Waylon and what is a trilon?
>
>Grover Whalen was president and chief huckster of the 1939 World's
>Fair, the symbol of which was the Trylon and Perisphere.  The Trylon
>was the three-sided obelisk which towered over the Perisphere (into
>which one could walk inside and see a panorama of the city of the
>future, Democracity).
>
>--John

Whalen was also NYC's official 'greeter' during the Jimmy Walker era.

-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543
                         Fax: 805.944.5958
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Lesbian/Gay Square Dancing (great idea!!) :)
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:51:44 GMT
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater) writes:
: Hi!  I saw the post on gay/lesbian square dancing...please send me all
: the info you have on this as I LOVE country and western music and I
: LOVE to dance!!!   Is there a group that goes dancing in my area?

I'm not sure, but I think there are several other readers (Paul ? 
Brian ? Tom ? anyone else ? ) that may know the answer.
: 
: is there a nationwide society in the gay/lesbian community concerning
: square dancing?  if there isn't, there ought to be one!!!  (if there is,
: let me know about that too).

As I understand from a friend in Cleveland, Ohio, (Dave Myers, VP of
Cleveland City Country Dancers - btw, they're hosting a fly-in over
Columbus Day weekend), there is an organization called International
Association of Gay Square Dance Clubs, or something similar.  Your
school library reference department probably has an 'encyclopedia of
organizations' that you can get the address from.  Dave said there
are 25 clubs affiliated, and that there were roughly 1100 people in
Albuquerque.  He has no idea how many will be in Cleveland.

I'm not a square dancer (yet - I start basic square on Sunday), but
I enjoy the other CW dancing - two-step, line dances, and others.

Is there an e-mail mailing list for discussing these things ?  I
remember someone tossed the idea out a year or so ago, but I don't
remember what happened to it... I know of several interested parties...
--
Doug Sewell (doug@cc.ysu.edu) Youngstown State Univ. Computer Center
Economists have determined that it will take the assistance of the
Tooth Fairy to accomplish George Bush's plans and promises for the
American economy.
From: batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie)
Subject: Re: Is anyone as angry as I am?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 20:04:08 GMT

foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:
> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
>> batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie) writes:
>>> wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood) writes:

>>>> If gay people had electoral votes, AIDS would have received the proper
>>>> attention it should have many, many years ago.

>>> If gay people weren't so f*****g apathetic, we'd *have* the electoral
>>> votes.

>> No, only states have electoral votes.

> In practice, usually; in theory this isn't quite true. Each state devises
> the method of selecting electors.

You're taking my statement too literally.  If people would get involved
in the process, or even just get out and vote themselves, we could swing
the elections so the electoral votes go our way.  Most non-presidential
elections see something around a 30% turnout, if I remember correctly.
A presidential elections gets around 75% turnout, I think.

Assuming all other things are equal (which they aren't, but this is
ballpark stuff), If every gay person voted, we'd make a 7% difference
in non-presidential elections and a 2.5% difference in presidential
elections.  That is often enough in its own right.  If we were to all
actually get *involved* and *educate* people, we'd bring a lot more
with us.  If every one of us could influence an additional person to
vote in our favor, that would make a total 20% of the potential vote ---
more than half of the *total vote* in off-year elections, and the
additional 10% of the potential vote in presidential elections would
swing the vote in most cases.

Note that I'm not saying that we'd all vote the same way on all issues,
or that that would even be desirable.  I'm just pointing out that we
*do* have the power to make an impact, if we'd just spend a miniscule
amount of effort.
-- 
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From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Ry's Chicago business
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:05:01 GMT
Organization: Vpnet Public Access


Spotted on East 79th Street in Chicago:

    Ry's Fruit Market

I swear it's the truth.  If the price is right, I'll go find it again
and take a picture of it.

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From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: General
Organization: Motorola
Date: 9 Sep 1992 07:47:01 CDT


Due to SYS-ADM censorship, I am unable to browse ANY of the alt.
groups - which (of course) means that I am missing one hell of a lot
of banter.

Does anyone, therefore, know of a UK phone number that I could use to
dial into the INTERNET and access these wonderful groups?

If any of you can help, please e-mail me or leave a message on soc.bi

Thanks in anticipation.
From: bf479@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Russell Jackson II)
Newsgroups: soc.misc
Subject: trade DIALOUTS
Date: 11 Sep 1992 17:59:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


trading dialouts for sites i don't have. Also trading telnetouts.
Send area code/city of sites you possess for query.


bf479@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: cbroten@ccs.carleton.ca (Cedric Broten)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: More makeup
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:21:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
Originator: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu

Desiree Sy says : 

"I never wore make-up until I became involved with community
theatre.  And ever since, I've associated make-up with theatre --
and particularly with masquing (as opposed to masking)."

I've always thought that masquing was part of wearing make-up,
assuming a different persona, becoming someone slightly different from
who you are. Women wear different makeup according to where they are
going and what they are going to do.  In the downtown cores one often
sees makeup being used as a kind of shield, something that hides the
person from the viewer.

This being true, the wearing of makeup is more than a 'Beauty Myth'
issue (although this is a huge part of it).

Desiree Sy also raises the question of  


"why people do react differently to the roles created with the
help of make-up -- and why those roles are played by women."

The roles are played by women because it is necessary for women to
play roles, or at least they _feel_ it is necessary to play roles.
Men also have roles that they feel they are required to play but
makeup is seldom used in these roles.  Costumes are used by both
sexes.

Cindy Blank-Edelman writes:

"It's funny....I know a number of men who also say that they like the
way women look without make-up.  But those same men still are
attracted to heavily made-up models and actresses on TV or in
magazines."

There has been a bit of talk about this lately.  I think it is clear
that there are men who prefer makeup, men who think they prefer no
makeup, and those who do not like makeup. Scepticism about this last
category is unjustified -- we do exist.  In a very long term
relationship of mine (alas, now defunct) my partner did not own a
single piece of makeup. The major result of this is that she looks
about 10 years younger than she is (I think we all know that most
makeup is bad for your skin).  And yes, this was a problem in
her work at times.


-- 





Cedric B Broten                    "This is no world for playing at
cbroten@ccs.carleton.ca             muffets or tilting at lips"
613-788-3821                          Hotspur -- Henry IV 
                                                                             
                                                                 


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