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From: mpark@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Park)
Subject: Re: Confirmation of Bush Quotation
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:59:46 GMT

In article <l8ru9mINNjcd@girtab.usc.edu> rone@girtab.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri) writes:
...
>He shore did say this.  Let me scrounge up the file from my archives...
>
>     President Bush made the comments during a campaign stop on August 27,
>     1988 at O'Hare airport.  He spoke with Robert Sherman, chief spokesman
>     for American Atheists:
>
>     RS: "Mr. President, what will you do to win the votes of Americans
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>          who are Atheists?"
>
>     GB: "I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community.  Faith in
>          God is pretty important to me."
>
>     RS: "Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of
>          Americans who are atheists?"
>
>     GB: "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens,
>          nor should they be considered patriots.  This is one nation under
>          God."
>
>     UPI reported on May 8, 1989 that various atheist organizations were still
>     angry over the remarks.
>
>     The exchange appeared in the Boulder Daily Camera on Monday Feb 27,
>     1989.
>

There was a discussion in sci.skeptic recently about the inconsistency in
the above report, that Bush is addressed as "Mr. President" while still
campaigning.  It turned out that the original contributor of the quoted
article had reconstructed the conversation from memory; correct in substance,
he was off in the details.

>It's also in the alt.atheism FAQ file if you want to look it up there.

I believe the FAQ has been updated with a verified transcript.

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From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
Subject: Re: Dan Quayle
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:32:31 GMT

>"Rob" == Rob Dobson <rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU> writes:
>
>Rob> DAN QUAYLE IS THE ANTI-ELVIS!!!
>
>I thought Michael J. Fox was the Anti-Elvis...
>oktay ahiska, dept. of cs, unh, durham nh, 03824 

Dan Quayle is the Anti-Elvis.
Michael J. Fox is the Anti-Elvis.
Q.E.D., Dan Quayle is Michael J. Fox!

(Look at the eyes ...  They have the same eyes!  All of the other differences
are due to makeup!)

This explains Dan's objections to Murphy Brown ... Murphy Brown is a more
popular character than Alex was.  This is also why Michael hasn't been making
many movies lately ... his duties as V.P. have taken up too much of his time.
From: VIGNESWA@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Child Abuse.....
Date: 19 Aug 1992 10:57:04 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

	During the Presidential Primaries, Dan was throwing lot of dirt on
Pat.  Somewhere on the road reporters asked Pat about Dan's comments.  Pat
answered, "I don't want to get in to child abuse."  The same Pat aired the
famous Lousiana slogan "Read My Lips..."  Now..?  For his political future
Pat is asking people to support Bush.  Hmm.... Politics!!

	BTW, Marylin was in the CNN booth on Tuesday night.  She was asked
about Dan's answer to Larry King on her daughter's decision to go for abor-
tion.  Marylin insisted that the  answer was not about abortion, but about
the decision making  between two adults, a father and a child.  CNN anchor-
woman didn't press on it. I was wondering, in this television era, how she
could do that!

Vicky:
UMass, Aug 19
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: thomp@netcom.com (Thom Philabaum)
Subject: Re: The Republicans are confusing me again...
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 23:21:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

> If so, it would seem that Republicans are easier to please than I have
> come to believe.  Perhaps their standards are lower this year?

Quayle? Bush?  I think you've hit the nail on the head...

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From: dks@athena.mit.edu (dks)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: The Republicans are confusing me again...
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:42:55 GMT
Organization: MIT, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA.


Friends!

It's happening again: Republican logic is once more too much for my
feeble mind.  

When anti-choice Democratic Governor Casey and his fellow believers
were not given a chance to speak at the Democratic Convention last
month, we were told that the Democrats were afraid to face the issue.
Never mind that the anti-choice movement subsumed only about fifteen
percent of the delegates elected to the Democratic Convention, they
should have been given a chance to speak out, we were told.

[Cut to Houston, barely a month later.]

The Republican platform now calls for a Constitutional Amendment that
would ban *all* abortions, even in cases of rape and incest.  More
than *fifty-five* percent of the delegates elected to the Republican
Convention disagree with this position.  How many of these dissenters
will be allowed to speak to the Convention?  You guessed it: NONE!
Could it be that it is the *Republicans* who are afraid to face the
abortion issue?  Of course not!

Add to these gems the fact that several *Republicans* are now accusing
King George and Prince Dannikins of having abandoned their previously
"pro-life" positions and you begin to see why I am, once again, clutching
my poor little head in agony.

I'm going to bed now: I can't deal with it any more.  Maybe Jim Baker
will explain it all to me in the morning.


Dhanesh

Just Say Noe to Sex with Pro-Lifers!
Xref: sparky alt.fan.dan-quayle:2717 alt.politics.bush:2227 alt.politics.clinton:2299
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:21:58 EDT
From: <JFL4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: I do not get this popularity for Barb (Re: Barbara's Speech)

An appropriate moment in history:

            Barbara Bush points out that, unlike Geraldine Ferraro,
            she makes no pretense of playing down the family wealth,
            adding, "No poor boy stuff like that $4 million - I can't
            say it, but it rhymes with rich."  She later fails to
            convince reporters that the unspoken word was "witch."
            Meanwhile, Ferrar asks an aide, "Why is that nice old
            lady calling me a bitch?"
                                                      10/08/84

Jeff Luck                            - STANDARD DISCLAIMER HERE-
CES Systems Office                "I'm conservative, but I'm not a nut
Penn State University             about it...."
JFL4@PSUVM.PSU.EDU                           -George Bush, 08/21/84
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Subject: Kill them all, let God sort them out.
Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:45:06 GMT

In article <weZ0YOy00awQM15JlX@andrew.cmu.edu>, Nanci Ann Miller
<nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> There's this succession of infinitely diminishing Republicans, starting
> with Reagan.  Everybody said we can't impeach Reagan 'cause we'd just get
> Bush, and everybody says we hope nothing happens to Bush 'cause we'll get
> Quayle, and then when Quayle gets in ... it's fascinating to imagine
> somebody Quayle can pick for his running mate who would cause us to say we
> can't impeach Quayle, we'd only get you-know-who.

   I nominate Pat Buchanan.  Except for environmental regs Quayl would just let
things fall apart on their own.  Buchanan would tear the country apart with his
own two hands.  Take for his example his "we are in a holy war" idea.  Lets
look at what holy wars do for countries or reigons.  The hundred years war:

   "Sir, how do we tell the Protestants from the Catholics?"

   "Kill them all, let God sort them out."

-commander of a force reducing Magdeburg speaking with an underling.

The middle east:

[300 lines spanning 26 centuries and at least 70 wars deleted for brevity]

Northern Ireland:

CNN "Today a bus full of school children was dynamited in the name of returning
Northern Ireland to Catholic control.  Protestant reprisals burned down two
homes and an orphanage.  Priminister Thatcher promised to send more troops to
the area."

India:

   Trivia fact: the Seihks (sp?) started as a pascifist movement attempting to 
reconcile the hindu and moslem factions in India.  How things change. 
~~~~~~~~~~

The only bright side I can see is that IF we get into a holy war like Pat says
then it becomes my moral obligation to shoot his ass.

Dan
Danwell@IASTATE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: m1b@rayssd.ssd.ray.com (Barone)
Subject: Re: Convention Speeches
Organization: Raytheon Submarine Signal Division, Portsmouth, RI
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:22:58 GMT

In article <4eYZS5600io=43yHtq@andrew.cmu.edu> "Joshua M. Sabloff"
<jsa5+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> Does ANYONE have a copy of Buchanans speech. I have heard a lot about 
>> it and want to see it, it should be good for a laugh.
> 
> Laugh, hell.  I almost threw up.  I blame the past few days' indigestion
> on that right-wing bigot.

The magnitude of hypocrisy at the Republican Convention is staggering.
It reminds me of Hitler's Nuremberg Rallies.
-- 
Joe Barone
m1b@rayssd.ssd.ray.com
Gentlemen!  You can't fight in here!  This is the War Room!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: ronwill@sierra.sim.es.com (Ron Williams)
Subject: Re: The paths of the master
Reply-To: ronwill@sierra.sim.es.com (Ron Williams)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:21:27 GMT

In article <hatton.714185345@cgl.ucsf.edu>, hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) writes:
> ronwill@sierra.sim.es.com (Ron Williams) writes:
> 
> >Hey, great idea!!  Ok all you damn Californians.  Utah is a barren, featureless desert.
> >Stay the hell away.
> 
> No problem. Although if Quayle comes here we may come screaming to Utah to
> get away from him. Would that be OK?  :-)
> 
> Tom

As long as you are anything EXCEPT a Rebpublican and/or a Mormon.  We've got plenty 
of them already.
-- 
Ron Williams
ronwill@sierra.sim.es.com
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Salt Lake City, UT

	Utah - the state that wants to put a Pizza Hut in the
 	middle of Zion National Park.
From: coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com (Don Coolidge)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Give Me An Inch
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:30:59 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Well, George is at it again. He tried to make a big deal
in his speech about his lack of a line-item veto, claiming
he needs it to fight the dastardly Democratic Congress. His
constant carping on this subject is exceeded only by his
endless whining about a capital gains tax cut. 

Unfortunately, this one's a lot more serious than simply
cutting another tax on the rich. The line-item veto was
specifically excluded by our Founding Fathers in order to
establish and maintain a system of checks and balances between
the President and Congress. With a line-item veto, Congress
is powerless - the President simply gets everything he wants
without ever having to give anything back. Without the line-
item veto, there must be either compromise or stalemate between
the two branches. Stalemate's not very good, but it beats the
hell out af an imperial Presidency. If the Congress is to remain 
a co-equal branch of government, the line-item veto must never 
come to pass. C'mon, you Liberal Media! Get on his ass about
this!

And what in the world was he thinking about when he said, 
"Heck, back then we didn't even have hair dryers!" ? Now,
I assume it was a reference to Clinton, but talk about
off the wall! Is *this* the guy who we really want to trust
to answer the phone late at night during a crisis, as his
ads ask us?

Not me, Boss!

Sorry this is so serious a posting, but this is serious business...

Don Coolidge
coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Anagram
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:41:01 GMT

Vice President Dan Quayle----> Cradled Quite a Penis Envy

finally, an anagram worthy of "Huge Beserk Rebel Warthog" (danny's boss)


Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: ejohnso@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Eric Johnson)
Subject: Re: For sunday papers: By HELEN THOMAS
Keywords: usa federal, government, politics
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:54:43 GMT

In <T37PPB2w164w@monsoon.com> sg@monsoon.com (Sunil Gupta) writes:

>rone@girtab.usc.edu (Ron Echeverri) writes:

>> keeping you updated at - whoo! 3:30am.  I deserve a tip from youse guys.

>Plastics.

Sorry, that was the 60s.

For the 90s it's:
			Bucky Balls
-- 
	Eric Johnson	         |  Commit random acts of kindness
	ejohnso@ccu.umanitoba.ca |        	and
"The Johnsons are taking over."  |        senseless beauty.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Subject: Re: "This will not stand!"
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:28:21 GMT

Actually in an interview on Canadian Broadcasting Corporation a couple
of days ago, a U.S. general (I think one who had worked with UN peacekeeping)
recommended THREATENING bombing such as described in this post -- and
insisting that the Serbians (in particular) control their own people.
He said it would be useless to get involved in the actual ground
fighting -- a never-ending, no-win situation.  But he felt that
threatening an Iraq-like scenario (hopefully with better aim this time)
might bring about a solution within a month or so.

I haven't a clue -- just tossing this in as a suggested scenario.

Anne
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: a little bit o'humor
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:11:49 EDT

In article <4884@sumax.seattleu.edu>, sstover@sumax.seattleu.edu (Maven o'Mirth) writes:
> Just wanted to share with you all a bumper sticker I saw in the window of
> a particularly radical used bookstore here on Capitol Hill.
> 
> 	_________________________________________
> 	| 					|
> 	|   FORMER PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH.	|
> 	|					|
> 	_________________________________________
> 
> 
> Short, sweet, and o so appropriate.
> 
> Sheryl

Perhaps. But don't get cocky. These people have a tendency to come back and
win it all. Whatever you do, vote. Even if the 'polls' show that Clinton
has a 10-1 lead, VOTE. Especially if you are on the West Coast. VOTE. If
you don't vote, your opinion doesn't count...

-Garrett
From: dks@athena.mit.edu (dks)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: The Dan Quayle Scorecard
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:53:01 GMT
Organization: MIT, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA.

In article <yg6wPB1w165w@monsoon.com> sg@monsoon.com (Sunil Gupta) writes:
>If you'll recall, in the original "Murphy Brown" speech, he also
>castigated those "sitting in faculty lounges" for being a part of the
>cultural elite. I would surmise that most of my former teachers and
>professors wear his scorn like "a badge of honor".

Well, I certainly don't know about them but, as for me, I hate to wear
anything made of polyester.  Or any other manufactured fabric.  I know
that Dannikins unfolds and displays his "scorn" proudly every chance he
gets, but I'd say it's as real as the giant tapestry of his Plato-reading,
Gore-beating, vibrantly throbbing intellect.


Dhanesh

Besides, just think of all those poor little esters...
From: larry@elvisxlnt.com (Larry Pollack)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Takes a ticking and keeps on licking
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:46:30 GMT
Reply-To: larry@xlnt.com
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc.

In article <1992Aug11.230758.5828@natinst.com>, lmg@natinst.com (Louis Gomes) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug11.204105.143821@cs.cmu.edu> alexo+@cs.cmu.edu (Alex Orenshteyn) writes:
|> >In article <1992Aug11.091540@IASTATE.EDU> danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock) writes:
|> >>familly is a very good choice of a basic unit for conserving capital and
|> >It is "family" not "familly", seems like Dan Q. desease has struck
|> >another victim.
|> 
|> It is "disease" not "desease", seems like this is becoming rather
|> circular, wouldn't you say?
|> --
|> louis

I kind of like desease better. It's more in line the Our Boy's style.
Or maybe it should be deseese ;) ?
-- 
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From: hans@Software.Mitel.COM (Hans Johnsen)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Re: Marilyn's "Choice"?
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:44:51 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Aug20.032449.14678@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>Marilyn Quayle had labor induced in order to have her child before a
>critical exam.
...
>her decision
>to induce over an exam schedule was profoundly irresponsible and
>necessarily put the quite viable and unarguably human child at risk.  This
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm not so sure. Let's not forget who the father was! Or was he....

p.s. Now THAT's an a.f.d-q posting!
-- 
Take off all your clothes and walk down the street waving a machete
and firing an Uzi, and terrified citizens will phone the police and
report: "There's a naked person outside!" - Mike Nichols
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Where is Arkansas ?
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:08:42 GMT

In article <1695u0INNdbu@agate.berkeley.edu> labc-1ad@e260-3g.berkeley.edu (Eric van Bezooijen) writes:
>I got this out of the San Fransisco Chronicle :
>
>"MAPS SENT TO SHOW BUSH WHERE TO FIND ARKANSAS"
>
>	Arkansas Senator David Pryor dispatched 17 interns
>yesterday to deliver a stack of maps to the White House so 
>President Bush will know where his state is.
>
>	During a campaign stop Thursday in Colorado Springs,
>Bush referred to Clinton as "the governor of a certain state with a
>profitable chicken industry on the Mississippi River located somewhere
>between Texas and Oklahoma."
>
>	But Arkansas lies to the east of both Texas and Oklahoma,
>and Pryor was gleefully rubbing it in.	"This is our education president 
>and we want to have these maps", said Pryor.

Gee, do you think someone should send ostensible Texan Bush the
surprising information that there ARE no states between Texas and
Oklahoma (they are adjoining states)?  Perhaps tell him that the
Mississippi River doesn't go through either one of them, so even if
there WERE a state between them it couldn't be on the Mississippi
River? 




-- 
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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu (Catherine Stanton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
Subject: Family Values?
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:57:34 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

I really have a problem with THIS farcical theme being first and foremost
at the Republican National Convention.  First off, didn't Tanya Tucker,
unwed mother of two, sing on the opening night? (I can't answer this question
myself as I had a tonsillectomy on Monday and was pretty drugged up
_thankfully_ for the opening night).

Okay forget that issue if you wish, but the economy is in shambles, Bush
is skyrocketing the national debt for all of our future families to pay
off.  The Republicans seem, to my relatively uneducated (this is the first
election in which I can vote) eye to be so extremely out of touch with this
nation that watching the convention is like watching a fairy tale...only
THIS is a bit more starched and sugary than most.

And for a quick and final point (I'm still not up to sitting in front of
the terminal for a long period of time - ugh) if we have such disintegrating
family values, who's been in office for the last 12 years letting them get
so low?  I, unfortunately, have grown up in the Reagan era and amazingly I'm
not too emotionally scarred.

It's just become painfully obvious to me that Bush is either deluded or
simply pulling as much as he can from Americans.  "Hee hee I think I'll
have Quayle run again as my running mate, let's see how much they'll go for
this time!"

I'm damned sick of this party which so routinely insults the intelligence
of America.  Yeah I have to say I WOULD vote a gerbil in office before I
voted in Bush/Quayle.

Cat Stanton
Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Subject: Re: Responses to Bush Massage at Convention
Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 14:09:40 GMT

In article <14644@borg.cs.unc.edu>, crittend@cs.unc.edu (bac) writes:
>|> 14)  Bush will give taxpayers a check box to dedicate income tax
>|>      to the national debt.
> 
>this had better be a mighty big box to check.  currently the national
>debt is just over $4trillion.  that's roughly $15,750 per american
>citizen!  i don't think a check box is going to do much good here.
>say every tax payer gives an extra dollar.  you get $200million.  BFD.
> 
> these check box funds would be in addition to your regular taxes, no?
> i'm a mighty generous guy, but i'm not going to chunk in an extra
> $15k.  don't know anyone who will.  and this is bush's "new idea"!

   No, no, what you suggest is far more sensible than what Bush is 
aiming for.  He wants us to earmark 10% of the taxes we pay for 
debt reduction.  This means that instead of getting our money directly
the government will have to borrow it at some nontrivial interest rate.
Of course if there is a favorable interest rate differential it might
make sense, sort of like refinancing your house.

   Donald Kaul, unabashed liberal columnist for the Des Moines Register,
refered to the plan as "Draining a swamp by pumping water from the north 
end to the south end."  While this is at odds with Bushe's current wetlands
initiative it does have that smoke and mirrors ring to it.

   This plan is a little to subtle for Dan Quayl though.  It encourages
participation while having little or no effect.  Like the Indiana National
Gaurd.  Perhaphs it was inspired by Quayl's life... 

Dan
Danwell@IASTATE.EDU

Newsgroups: alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Subject: Re: Quayle for President
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:17:24 GMT
Organization: Culturale Elit

In <1992Aug6.033424.22428@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Joe.Francis@dartmouth.edu sez:
>In article <1992Aug5.151057.6964@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
>pat@sphinx.phys.Virginia.EDU (pat walsh) writes:
>
>> Doesn't the credit for this particular boner go to Earl Butz, Gerald Ford's
>> Secretary of Agriculture and a First Class Horse's Patoote (sic) in his own
>> right?  (I'd have said horse's ass but I had to use patoot since it looks
>> like potato!  Also, an aside to the poster who was worried about dating
>> himself because he can remember Watt -- relax, man, I can remember the Ford
>> administration, and even the Watergate hearings!)
>
>Yes, Earl Butz was Mr. "Loose Shoes".  I had thought that he was Ag Sec
>for Nixon, but you're probably correct.  As for the Watergate hearings,
>how could I forget?  Go get 'em, Mr. Dean!

Nope, Butz was Carter's AgSec.

-- 
		       Apres moi, Les Etooges.

	Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck