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From: stephane.gelinas@synapse.org (Stephane Gelinas) 
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: U.K.Subs wanted
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: stephane.gelinas@synapse.org (Stephane Gelinas) 

RB>where I can get ahold of a tape, record, or 
RB>CD of the U.K.Sub's 1984 or 1985 release
RB>"Flood  of Lies"? I had it taped and the 

Hi, I have UK Sub's _Flood of Lies_ album.  It is released on _Scarlett_ 
records...  You may find it in used record stores if you're lucky!  I 
don't think you can find it new anymore.  Never saw it on CD.

BTW - is this message getting out?  This is my first internet message.



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From: kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: R.E.M. "Automatic for the People"
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:13:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <92281.141511MDJ102@psuvm.psu.edu> MDJ102@psuvm.psu.edu (Mike Jung) writes:

>I was gullible enough to purchase the "Special Edition" of R.E.M.'s new
>album in the wooden box, complete with 16 photographs of the band on vellum
>paper.  I wish they'd at least included a jewel box; for $28, I don't want
>my disc damaged 'cos it's stored in a thin paper sleeve.

I don't want to say sucker...but, you should have learned from last year
when they did the same thing with Out Of Time.  It's really no different,
other than a nice little box that doesn't fit in your cd shelf and some
photos that will eventually fall out and get lost.

>So what's so different between this one and the standard release?  The disc
>itself is completely yellow, except for the record label index number or
>whatever it is.

As is the regualr disc.

>The wooden box is kind of cheezy--they should have sanded
>down the door that you slide to get to the pictures and the disc.  (I didn't
>see this until after I bought the disc.) There are 12 tracks.  The vellum
>pictures aren't really "artwork and photographs" as much as they are
>photographs of the band.  Billy Berry and Mike Mills at the beach, Peter
>Buck at the gas station, with lyrics that appear to be from the album
>superimposed on the pictures.

As is the album, minus the lyrics.
You can pretty much figure out all the lyrics by listening, even to 
Ignoreland...of course it helps to have them given to you as well...

>I bought this album with skepticism--I'm not the hugest R.E.M.  fan anymore
>and stopped collecting their material after I found out that there's equally
>as exiciting music being put out by new bands.  I bought the collector's
>edition just because I figured if the album was musically terrible, I could
>store this in a safe place for about thirty years and barring no nuclear
>war, could probably sell it for more than I paid for it.

If you are going to spend $30 on REM discs, you should look into some
good bootlegs, like Carnival of Sorts or From the Borderline, which span
REM's whole career, or look for the Special Collection single releases.

>I guess the album's okay.  "Sidewinder Sleeps Tonite" deserves a special
>mention.  The entire album seems like sort of a darker extension of "Out of
>Time." I guess that's better than an extension of "Green."

SST is the best song on the the album, but the rest are pretty good.  That
goes without mentioning of course.


>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mike Jung             "if they hated me they will hate you"
>mdj102@psuvm.psu.edu                 - sinead o'connor
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

"fight the real enemy..."  rip shread  (SNL).  Believe that shit?!  Geeze.
	-ShavedHead O'Connor
I am:

--
Try not to Breathe.

kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu			-rem (who else?)
Kevin C. Welch
From: kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: REM
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:00:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct14.175038.2813@meaddata.com> calondis@meaddata.com (David Calondis) writes:
>In article <93013@netnews.upenn.edu>, kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch) writes:
>|> In article <1992Oct14.124752.601@dct.ac.uk> misb3crs@dct.ac.uk writes:

>|> Murmur, Reckoning, Fables, Lifes Rich Pageant, Document.

>|> If you like those and want more, consider buying:

>|> Green and Out of Time.

>You forgot Chronic Town, their first, going back to 1982....

Chronic Town isn't an album, just as DLO and Eponymous are not.
Actually, some of those songs on CT were cut way before they were ever
released.  Actually at that time, rem cut "Just a Touch" which was modified and
later put on Pageant 5 years later...

But CT is a good EP, much better than some of their albums.

kcw



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				    r.e.m.
			        Kevin C. Welch
                         kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Organization: Freshman, Architecture, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 23:41:23 -0400 
From: Karl Anthony Smeltzer <ks5z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: ???Primus???

IBA100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

Any one have any news on anything new from Primus?
I'm new at this, I think there considered "alternative" and yet I've never
seen any type of discussion on this news group.
anyway, If anyone Does have any news let me know.
-Bern
-IBA100

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-

PRIMUS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--the sagacious one.

--ks5z@andrew.cmu.edu
From: genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: morrissey
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:48:21 GMT
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

people criticize his solo career. has he lost his voice or ability to 
write good songs since johnny marr left? whats the deal here. he is the 
same morrissey we have known since 83 or so.

HALE TELECOMMUNICATIONS- Public Access Node, San Diego CA 619/660-6734 V32bis
genocide@hale.cts.com (Gary Danko)   15-Oct-92 at 4:49p

***SAVE A NATION-- KILL A LIBERAL***
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From: cygnus@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Marshall Robin)
Subject: Re: Sinead does SNL
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 17:52:19 GMT

In article <92328@netnews.upenn.edu> kwelch@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch) writes:
>In article <4060@cvbnetPrime.COM> jsulliva@cvbnet.prime.com (Jeff Sullivan) writes:
>
>[Shinead rips up Pope]
>
>>	Until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all
>>	without regard to race, I've got to say war.
>
>> I think we all agree with human rights and freedom of speech, but
>> did she go too far?
>
>Oh, without saying.  She has every right to believe that the
>Pope is the source of evil, however ridiculous that may be.

I think she didnt go far enough. She should have rended the Pope himself
limb-from-limb on national television.

Come on folks, repeat after me: "The Roman Catholic Church is Just Another
Power Bloc"

He has as much "divine right" as my dog.

-marsh
From: Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Hole info please
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:36:22 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <1992Oct6.185038.921@hellgate.utah.edu> speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.174246.604@vms.huji.ac.il> guy@vms.huji.ac.il (Noam Hamiel) writes:
>
>>  I recently got hold of Hole's album 'Pretty on the Inside' and I would
>>like to know more about the band, when they were formed and other recordings
>>they made.
>
>There is also a (European?) single for "Teenage Whore", which I haven't
>seen, but which I think has non-LP material, and a bootleg of a Peel
>Session that I also haven't heard, although I'd like to--apparently, 
>it includes a Beat Happening cover(?).
>   

In the UK the Hole sessions (2 of them) were released as an official
'Strange Fruit' LP b/w two session from Babes in Toyland. One of the
years most desirable releases, no?

Be seeing you.

CHR$
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From: Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Subject: Happy Mondays & 10,000 Maniacs 
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:26:15 GMT

Recently bought The Happy Mondays "Yes Please" and 10,000 Maniacs "Our Time
in Eden".

I have nothing but good things to say for the new Happy Mondays. I feel
like I'm one of the only ones who thought Pills, Thrills and Bellyaches was
a great album, but it's one weakness, the inconsistent production, is not a
problem in Yes Please. 

Basically in a nutshell, it's no dance or rave album (I didn't want it to
be one though another catchy dance tune like Step On would've been nice),
though there is a song which refers to the scene, "Cut em loose Bruce". A
good pop album though not infectious. Friends of mine who have no idea who
these guys are liked the album (I say this because there seems to be a wide
gap between the ears of Happy Mondays fans and non-fans). Alot of 70's
influences show up here (the bass line in "Love Child"). And yes, the best
Happy Mondays' album (though I might go with Hallelujah if I considered it
an album). 

As for the 10,000 Maniacs album, I would warn people from buying. It's
overproduced, the songs are lackluster. The overall tone is dark and
melancholy. Well dark except the cheesy Van-Morrisonesque horns section in
"Few and Far Between".  My main peeve about this album is that some of the
songs are actually fairly good ("Noah's Dove" and "These are Days") but are
completely restrained. Natalie sounds worn out and doesn't sing with enough
emotion, though she is much more in tune on this album and has a nice
harmony with herself?/backupsinger? WORN OUT is the best two words which
describe this album. The instruments sound muffled and too distant. I'd
also describe it as A SLEEPY ALBUM. Tis all I can say about it without
getting subjective. Feedback? Anyone agree?

--
Mos Eisley  
"Children's television is like dog food. They don't care what it tastes
like as long as the kids eat it." Bob Camp, producer, now director of R&S,
on TV networks
From: gcf@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk (Graham Freeland)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Faith No More Antics
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:59:34 GMT
Organization: Signal Processing Division, University of Strathclyde. Glasgow
Originator: gcf@newton

In article <BvoLpy.n1x@acsu.buffalo.edu> camvkkas@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Todd Schlesinger) writes:
>I assume that th recent antics of Faith No More's lead vocalist Mike Patton
>have been heard around the US by now, since this band is considered alternative
>by some and metal by others I thought I'd start by posting here.
>
>	Apparently, Mike Patton, at a private party for 97Rock a local 
>buffalo station exposed himself and performed lewd acts with the 
>microphone and with the guitar neck of one band member. This according
>to the Buffalo News Oct 3, 1992. Several members of the audience
>were outraged enough to inform the police and the state liquor authority of 
>the incident.
>
>	Any discussion of feelings regarding this kind of activity at 
>rock concerts?
>

Regarding the lewd acts performed with Patton's member/neck/mike/guitar,
was there any comment as to what it sounded like? Was he improvising?
Does anyone have a bootleg copy?

GCF
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: matrobb@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Matthew Howard Robb)
Subject: Re: Velocity Girl
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:35:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.123222.23577@msc.cornell.edu> rob@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Rob Vaughn,302 Thurston Hall,50637,2730428) writes:
>> Anybody have any info on the Velocity Girl EP due out sometime soon?
>
>Saw them play on Sunday afternoon at the Vermonstress in Burlington, VT.
>My friend shouted and asked about a new album, and they said "it'll be out,
>just as soon as we record it."
>Rob
>Rob Vaughn, Fugitive Systems Guy
>Mat. Sci. Center Computing, Cornell University
>rob@msc.cornell.edu - rob@crnlmsc2.bitnet

How was that anyway?  As far as the EP goes, Slumberland is (hopefully)
going to release an compilation of the first single and other stuff
(what I was hoping Sub Pop was gonna do) and last I heard, the Lp was
due in January or February . . . 

Matthew Robb
matrobb@phoenix.princeton.edu

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From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Subject: Re: Sidewinder Sleeps...
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:59:27 GMT

rob@vger.cheme.cornell.edu writes:

>I was reading through the notes of AFTP and found something that I wasn't
>quite sure of.  They thank someone, I forget who, for the words and lyrics
>to "The Lion Sleeps Tonight."  Obviously, this has to be in regards to
>"Sidewinder Sleeps..,"  but I have not been able to find the similarity for
>why they would have to thank someone.  Also, I have heard "The Lion Sleeps.."
>a couple of times, so I know the basic tune, but I am not sure of who sings
>it.  I think that They Might Be Giants might do a cover of it, but, again, I
>am not sure.

TMBG don't have a cover of this, at least recorded.... It's a very old song,
based on the folk song Wimoweh (check your old Weavers or Pete Seeger records).
The four falsetto notes that Stipe sings right at the beginning refer to
the well-known theme or "hook" of both of those songs.  Either the person
who asked this question is very very young or I am very very old.... :)

Lena

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From: vail@tegra.com (Johnathan Vail)
Subject: Re: King Missile?
Organization: Tegra-Varityper, Inc. Billerica, MA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:36:16 GMT



In article <1b7n0hINNgms@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dlp5@po.CWRU.Edu (Daniel L. Price) writes:
   In a previous article, ks5z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Karl Anthony Smeltzer) says:

   >bt716@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes:
   >Can anyone tell me anything about King Missile?
   >I've heard a song called 'My Heart Is A Flower' and am
   >wondering what the rest of their music is like.
   >
   >Jesus was way cool!!!
   >
   >And he loved to make love, loved to make love, loved to make love, he
   >was really turned on for a while.
   >
   Hmmm... I thought that was Gary and Melissa.


I think you might be right.  I really enjoy King Missile.  Some people
dismiss them too easily, though.  The stuff is funny, irreverent and
witty.  KM turned me on to DOGBOWL which is even more bizarre and at
the the same time more "musical".


jv
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Saturday, 3 Oct 1992 14:44:37 EDT
From: <N88BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses
 <kbennett.717708713@milton>   <90755@netnews.upenn.edu>
 <1992Sep29.170013.26940@news.uiowa.edu>
 <1992Sep30.031043.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> <u882517.717900810@bruny>
 <1992Oct1.043347.3513@hubcap.clemson.edu>
 <emp1.718060965@crux1.cit.cornell.edu>

I have to agree with the majority of people here, the earier stuff is better. T
o be honest I haven't heard Red Heaven because the last two-Hunkpapa and the
Last Ramona were a bit too poppy, and someone mentioned that Tanya has left the
band gives me even less incentive to buy the new one. Can anyone convince me
otherwise

An important note: Lonely As An Eyesore is a 4AD comp that has my personal fav-
orite song-Fish (tied with Delicate Cutters). I haven't heard anyone mention
it yet.

                ---Michele
                     Brooklyn, NY

"The room has many doors
All but one of them are closed,
She goes around opening the doors"
"cry babuy
d==
From: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Medicine and Mecca Normal
Date: 16 Oct 1992 00:27:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cc647@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Cornick)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, reynhout@cs.uri.edu (Andrew Reynhout) says:

>X-Post From: 4ad-l (4AD Mailing List)
>
>
>   Bad news:  Medicine was dropped yesterday from the Rollercoaster Tour
>with JMChain, Curve, and Spiritualized.  Big disappointment, but it's still
>worth going for the two openers.  :-)

Bummer! That would've been a fantastic show.
>
>   Medicine will be touring later in the year, and as I've said a few times
>now, will be @ the Marquee (NYC) on 30-Oct with His Name is Alive, Belly, and
>Red House Painters.
>
>   It you haven't heard their album (_Shot_Forth_Self_Living_,) make an effort
>to do so.  In a time with so many gosh-darned MBV soundalikes, Medicine
>*really* stands out.  Excellent stuff.  They also have an EP on Creation
>that came out just a few months back.  The album and the EP only share one
>track ("Aruca").
>
I think it's worth noting that many of the Medicine tracks (especially
"Aruca") are *extremely* noisy, more so than any other band I've ever heard
(except maybe Lou Reed's _Metal Machine Music_.) Be prepared for some
exceptionally grating noisefests. Noise is good.

>   Other non-4AD stuff.  Mecca Normal.  This band has been around for quite
>some time, but is only now beginning to penetrate the oustide-of-Boston
>awareness, with tracks on the _Kill_Rock_Stars_, _Throw-The_Yoyo_Studio_Comp_,
>and _International_Pop_Underground_ compilations.  They have a couple of
>7"s out as well.  Check them out, they're fantastic.  They have a full-length
>album coming out on K within a month or so.  I'm not sure how many of the 7"s,
>and compilation tracks will be on the album.  Look for it.  I can't wait.
>In case you can't tell, I'm really excited about this band.

The new album rocks. Listening to it, it's amazing that all this is being
accomplished with guitar and vocals only. Transcends all the
minimalist-rock cliches. Listen!
>
>   Whatever happened to alt.music.indie-pop??

The indie spirit lives on in the indie-list. Now with over 100 subscribers,
and still completely DIY. Mondo cool. To subscribe, just mail me (I'm a
real person, not a LISTSERV, so you can write your requests in English
instead of SUB INDIE-LISRT ROGER RABBIT type langgwidg.)

-- 
Mark Cornick <cc647@cleveland.freenet.edu>
-> If you don't read the indie-list, you should... write for info. <-
"How dare you say I'm losing my mind?" -- Circus Lupus
From: schrey@oak.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Timothy M. Schreyer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: R.E.M. breaking up -- maybe a rumor, but what if...?
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:37:39 GMT
Reply-To: schrey@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems

In article <1992Oct8.195402.16834@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro) writes:
|>   When Green came out, a friend of mine theorized that they would have only 
|> three more albums.  This was his reasoning:
|>     - "Document" is subtitled "#5"
|>     - "Green" has a number 4 imprinted in the cover lettering
|>     - Continuing on this theme, "Out of Time" is three words
|> What we have here, IMHO, is a count down.  I have been scouring my copy of AFTP
|> trying to find anything with a two in it and have not yet succeeded.  Ric
|> Dube's news would, though, unfortunately confirm this theory.

   I think the "Drive" and "Ride" division into TWO parts is all you need :-).

       TIM
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From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro)
Subject: Re: King Missile?
Organization: The Ohio State University
     Find them. Hear them. Take them home. Love them.  King Missile (DFR) is 
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:14:14 GMT

Snausages,
-kristoff
From: houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: REM
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:07:59 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <93208@netnews.upenn.edu> kwelch@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.014359.9032@athena.cs.uga.edu> houk@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk) writes:
>>In article <93133@netnews.upenn.edu> kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch) writes:
>>>
>>>Chronic Town isn't an album, just as DLO and Eponymous are not.
>>>Actually, some of those songs on CT were cut way before they were ever
>>>released.  Actually at that time, rem cut "Just a Touch" which was modified and
>>>later put on Pageant 5 years later...
>
>>>But CT is a good EP, much better than some of their albums.
>
>>Oh Jesus H Christ, let's nitpick why don't we???
>
>Hey, man, I didn't ask for any of your bullshit.
>I was recommending albums, asshole.

Albums? Or EPs? ;)

>So I failed to mention Chronic Town.  Whoopie fucking doo.
>My line of thought did not include CT.

Um, that's not what I was bitching about. I was just wondering why you
felt the need to make the distinction between "albums" and albums.
I mean - they're bona-fide releases anyhow, so...

>>In fact, let's nitpick some more...
>>
>>If 'Dead Letter Office' isn't an album, why is it an LP?
>
>It's a compilation of B-sides, asshole.  These are Velvet Underground
>songs, songs they made when they were drunk off their asses, songs
>they did "just for the hell of it", songs they intended to put
>on albums but cut at the last minute.  It is not considered a
>full feature album like OOT of A4TP

I'm, um, quite familiar with what 'Dead Letter Office' is... :)
Looks like another case of misconstrued content. See the above.

>so, take off,
>
>KCW

Okay....

Joshua H.

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
From: ralph@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Ralph Brandi)
Subject: Re: Chills to disband (again?)
Organization: Democrats for Broccoli
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:57:46 GMT

>> Hmmm...is this a joke or what ?
>>                   CHILLS GRINDING TO STOP - AGAIN
 
>>    Within a fortnight the Chills will be no more, reports Dean...

>I doubt it.  "The Chills" as a group has never really existed.  Rather,
>Martin Phillips has worked with different people and called whatever
>assortment he had together at the time as "The Chills."

Actually, I have in my possession documents which show that Marti
Phillips has never existed.  Rather, Martin is a concept
masterminded by evil genius Chris Knox to fill a need for sensitive
brooding singer/songwriters on the part of college students.  The
part of Martin has been played by a number of people, all wearing a
rubber Martin Phillips mask and wearing a leather jacket.  Needless
to say, no accordion players need apply.

I wouldn't lie about this.

Anton Shlaposhnikopf
-- 
Ralph Brandi     ralph@mtunp.att.com     att!mtunp!ralph

"I may have had the needle in my arm dozens of times, but I never
pushed the plunger"    -- Presidential Candidate Dave Barry
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: jvigneau@cs.ulowell.edu (Joe Vigneau)
Subject: Pavement
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:07:22 GMT

Hey! Has anyone out there other than me even heard of Pavement?  Geez, the
other day I went to my favorite alternative music store and they looked 
at me like... like... well, you know what I mean.  Oh, well.

BTW: Howz the new NIN disc? or the REM one for that matter??


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