Newsgroups: soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: RE: Gulbudin Ilyess Badira and Lutfi
From: yea027@marshall.wvnet.edu
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:55:51 -0500
Organization: Marshall University

Salam alaikum brothers and sisters,

>Far from it Kermi Saheb. By the way what is this labelling with "elitist".

When you label, you get labeled.  Quit doing it and no one else will either.
I also noticed I wasn't the only who's been labeled an Ikhwani. :^)

>Every one of you seem to come up with it now and then. Do we make you 
>feel small and insignificant ? Is it some kind of inferiority complex. Do 
>we make you left out ? really I have no wish to do so.

Brother, stop thinking everyone is your enemy.  If all Afghans think like this,
we are not going to go anywhere.  Do you really think that Brother Lotfi is
trying to sell over Afghanistan?  Of course now that I'm an Ikhwani, I am
probably trying to sell over Afghanistan, too, so I don't have any room to say
anything on this net because I'm not the "real" Afghan.

> The problem is that
>you guys are so apart and alien to Afghan society that a mere display of
>patriotism and ownership by an Afghan frightens you so much that you  
>immediately start the process of self hypnosis to give yourself some kind 
>of false courage. Believe me every Afghan, when it comes to their national
>identity are equally overbearing and "elitist".
Who is this "they"?  I think that I have been made part of this "they" too since
I was made an Ikhwani (which is all news to me).  But why do you make this 
"they" and "us".  Ever heard the expression, "United we stand, divided we
fall"?
So anyone that doesn't think like you is a "they".  I'm labeled an
Ikhwani (though I see nothing wrong with that, I do know it was used as a
derogatory term) all of the sudden and now I'm a "they".  Brother, I have been
with Mujahideen, ones who faught long and hard for this land you love so much
and you know, they don't think like you.  These are the lucky men who have
faught in the name of Allah, brother, and your views do not reflect theirs.  And
they were NOT Gulbudeen followers.  They love Afghanistan as much as you do,
probably much more.

>Intellectuals are a minority in Afghanistan. 
And it's beginning to show....

>First it was the communists
>who killed them and then it was the Pakistanies, fearing that they would
>protest their all out manipulation of Afghan Jihad, forced them through
>their GONDAS in Hezbe-e-Islami, in their CID etc etc to migrate to west.
>Some of them were quietly killed by Mr.Hekmatyar and other pups of Zia in
>Peshawar. 
It was not Pakistanis.  It was the Pakistan gov't that was under the hand of
their big boss and we know who that is.  Pakistani people cannot be made part
of their gov't as you cannot be made part of the gov't that now exists in our
country.

>As it stands you guys have a lot to lose.
If you believe in Allah SWT then you know that Allah has won this jihad for the
Afghans.  He is not going to let the wrong group take over that country.  The
people that are left their are the real owners of that country, the people who
faught for it.  Have some Iman brother.  Believe that your Lord is going to
protect your people because the harsh words you use are not going to do the
saving.

>-- The Soviet empire is down and the West is no longer interested in  
>financing and promoting fundamentalism to face the tide of the communist  
>insurgency. This is a very important factor. In the new world order you 
>guys do not fit anymore. 
Dear brother, it is not fundamentalism they are no longer supporting, it is
Islam they are no longer supporting.  They would like to sweep the feet right
from under Islam.  Don't take pride in the fact that our religion is being
threatened.  Fundamentalism?  How can anyone be a Muslim without being a
fundamentalist?  The fundamentals of Islam are the pange benhi musulmani; you
don't believe those, you aren't a Muslim (you general not you specific).

>If I were in your shoes I would be really afraid.  
 No brother, if you were in the shoes of your own self you should be afraid of
the way they are going to try to bring down Islam.  I am going to give you
enough credit to believe that you would not be happy about that.

>I say to you Kermi Agha that you guys better watch your step in  
>Afgahnistan because now the Soviets are gone and we have time to get rid  
>of the aliens who were infused into our society while we were out fighting  
>with the Soviets. Enough of this bull about arabs in Afghanistan. If you 
>guys are really so good then go and liberate Palestine. 
If I may be so crude as to say, why do you think you are permitted to make the
calls for all the Afghans while sitting here in America?  Why aren't you in
Afghanistan brother?  Why haven't you been in Afghanistan?  
These are sincere questions and if you can for a minute,
bite your sarcastic nature and answer with a kind reply.  And if you are going
to invent a few more names for me and the others, keep it to yourself.  
Brother Lotfi, this is not general Afghan view.  Afghans are very kind people. 
When they say a proud Afghan, they don't mean someone who hates everyone else. 
You are our brother and if your intentions are true Islam, then it is people
like you who have a right to any country.  The fear we have is not of the
people, but of Allah.  Allah will know whether we are true to Him or not.  It
is really unfortunate that anyone who believes in the fundamentals of Islam is
automaticly called a fanatic.  Be careful, the resistance to Islam is growing
within our own people, sadly enough.
	Brother H., before calling people this that or the other, figure out
who they are.  It is now simple to see that you label anyone with any name you
see fit.  Look around you, brother, with love in your heart.  There are good and
bad in every society, Afghan, Saudi, Kuwaiti, American, German, French,
Indian.... and the list goes on and on.  Stop being so critical of individuals. 
I share your frustration for our nation.  I have lost family.  I have been a
victim of this nasty war.  I have seen my family lose it's place in the world
and become another foreigner in this country.  But that is no reason to hate
everyone. Your anger is against the Soviets, and you are right, your brothers
have crushed them to a pulp.  But you don't need to do that to all people. 
Afghanistan cannot stand as a little isolated island.  We need to learn to get
along with people.  The grossness in Afghanistan is all over the world and you
just dismiss that for the "Arabs" to handle.  Do the people in Palestine mean
so little to you that you call the Arabs dirty names and then you tell them to
go save the Palestians?  What is wrong with the Afghan mind?  Brother, my
younger brother is a product of American culture.  He has not been corrupted
by political talk about the Afghan "leaders" and yet he talks about the Afghans
he knows the same way you talk about Arabs.  He's had a chance to see it all
without being polluted with this kind of talk.  I say to both of you, stop it
and learn some tolerance and stop for goodness sake calling everyone bad!!!
	Now you are free to call me whatever name you want to call me.  You are
free to call me a traitor.  You can say what you want to say.  But as an
Afghan, brothers, I am expressing a differing view from that held by brother H. 
We don't all think that way.
	Anyway, enough of this talking, I just want to say that I'm off to
Virginia to visit with my family for the next few weeks inshallah.
Actually, the real
fun thing that will be going on while I'm at home is studying for the MCAT's. 
Any and all du'as for success with that monster exam will be very much
appreciated.  Brother H., if it makes you feel any better, inshallah, if I am
successful with medical school, I would love to go back to Afghanistan and help
my people.  See, I'm not so bad after all. :^) 

Salam alaikum and blessings upon you ALL,
Your SISTER,
Mariam


Your intellectual elite, :-)

H.Abed


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