HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Rogue Mac Plusses Take Lab Hostage!
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:16:12 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School

In <1992Oct9.165118.29658@nntp.uoregon.edu> JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt) writes:

>TRASH GATEKEEPER AID! That is your problem. I ran into the same problem in
>a lab I used to manage. It is NOT compatible with System 7!

Recent versions of Gatekeeper Aid (currently 1.2.6) are compatible with
System 7. The Gatekeeper package is updated as regularly as Disinfectant
(ie: when needed).

>I recommend getting a copy of Disinfectant 2.9, and using it's INIT as your
>virus protection. It's more comprehensive, regularly updated, and it's
>FREE. Northwestern University posts it on a lot of BBSes and FTP sites.

I recommend Disinfectant too but Gatekeeper and Gatekeeper Aid are free as
well. (To be more precise, they are PostcardWare.) In some environments
Gatekeeper Aid is invaluable, even if you already have Disinfectant INIT
installed.

>BTW, IMHO you are better off sticking with System 6.0.8 on those Mac Plus
>systems. System 7 will slow them down too much. They don't have fast enough
>CPU's for the overhead, and the benefits gained are marginal at best.
>Few of the other fancy additions from system 7 work on a 68000 based
>CPU.

I disagree. System 7 IS slow on the older 68000 Macs but in a public
cluster some Sys7 functions like aliases are very useful. Updating
software in a System 7 environment is a lot easier too.
 
-Geoff
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie (Judge Raz)
Subject: Duo vs Powerbook (External connections)
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:52:31 GMT

Hi,
I'm thinking of buying a Powerbook 145 4/80 but am a bit worried about
external connections. Is it possible to connect an external colour monitor
to the Powerbook simply by plugging it in? I read an article on the Duo
which said that you connected it into a docking station which allowed you
to connect an external monitor, thereby providing an advantage over the
Powerbook. Is this the case? Also, has anyone got an idea of the specs
of the Duos along with a projected price?

Thanks for any info,

Judge Raz

redmondd@unix1.tcd.ie  |    ~~~    |  You got my body now you want my soul 
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From: eyoung@cisco.com (Eric Youngman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Let's talk Performas, Boys and Girls
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:16:42 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International
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nrz@vax5.cit.cornell.edu wrote:
: In article <1992Oct1.144915.15997@newshost.lanl.gov>,
: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes: 
: > 
: > Good question!  I too am baffled by the reported "slowness" of the P600 as
: > compared to the IIci.  Yeh sure, no FPU, but that simply cannot account for
: > the across-the-board slowdown.  The P600 does have a 32MHz 030, after all.
: > 
: > Anyone have any ideas on _why_ the P600 is so slow, relative to the IIci?
: > ---
: 
: Speculation: How about the system software used in the benchmarks?  In the 
: MacWorld comparison, the IIci had system 7.0.1 w/ Tuneup 1.1.1, while the 
: P600 had 7.1b10.  Could this be a factor?

The reason that the P600 is slow is that its 030 is hooked up to a 16-bit
bus, a la the LCII (contrary to what the recent Mac User article stated).

Also, sorry for that bogus posting to subject 'q.'  Am new to this
news thing, and got happy fingers late yesterday
From: simon@mmpe.mineral.ualberta.ca (Simon Tortike)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: NEC 3FG, 4FG, 5FG, FREE Cd-ROM?
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:19:15 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

mdiehr@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Michael Diehr) writes:


>Also, the NEC ad (p.2. of latest MacWorld) says you get
>a free CD Rom reader with purchase.  Is this for real?
>I've seen the 4FG for around $750, which would make
>this a great deal.

Read the ad carefully (at least, in MacUser). You must buy the NEC nFG
plus the (Radius) MacFG video card (8bit or 24-bit), which is accelerated
and therefore expensive. The 8 bit card appears to be the same price approx.
as the 4FG (ca. US$800). The card does offer immediate access to various
resolutions, as can be seen in the MacUser ad. Does anyone know if more than
one resolution is available using the Quadra build in video or using the
Apple 8*24 card?
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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PDA's are flop
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:30:36 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

I should point out that the originator of this thread admitted to me
privately that he started this thread as one of those wonderful informal
psychological studies that twits do every so often. In other words, we had a
person poking a stick into the network ant hill just to watch the ants swarm
for a while.

As one of the ants, I told him exactly what I thought of his informal
psychological studies, but I don't think he was listening.

So we can all go back to carrying in food for the winter, fellow ants. The
shows over.


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From: ccs@u.cc.utah.edu (Charles Storer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: iomega/bernoulli software?
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:00:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: fcom.1992Oct8.230032.4734
Distribution: na
Organization: Iomega Corporation

In article <1992Oct5.202517.3468@news.miami.edu> sikorski@news.miami.edu (Richard Sikorski) writes:
>Does anyone know if the drivers/diagnostics software for the IOmega
>Bernoulli removable drives are publicly distributed by FTP or on a BBS.
>
>They sell a $150 interface kit, but I really dont need another SCSI
Iomega's BBS can be reached at 801-778-4400. You can also get some of
the Iomega Bernoulli drivers by sending structured email messages to the
Internet address info@iomega.com. This is an automated information
service provided by Iomega, but it's not exactly FTP. If you want the
software for Macintosh, the content of your message to info@iomega.com
should be:

send macutils.sit.hqx

If you want to know what else you can get, your message should say:

send index


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jscoggin@netcom.com (Jerry Scoggins)
Subject: Re: PowerBook's and Large Monitors
Keywords: powerbook,display,monitor
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:44:35 GMT

rfl@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Bob Loewenstein) sayz:
>
>I have a friend with a Powerbook 100, 6 Mbytes of Ram. He notices
>that the system takes up over 3 Mbytes and wonders what is going on.
>Shouldn't the system take up more like half that amount? He has
>no inits or cdevs installed, no special fonts, etc...just a bare bones
>system. Anyone know the answer? Thanks.

Check the RAM cache size in the Monitors control panel.

++jerry(); // jscoggin@netcom.netcom.com
From: werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Personal Laserwriter SC -> NTX ?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Date: 12 Oct 1992 22:17:23 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley School of Education
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.32.157.31

In article <HEYES.92Oct12153906@dadev.cebaf.gov>, heyes@dadev.cebaf.gov
(Graham Heyes) wrote:

[Note: the original artical had a bogus distribution of
"comp.sys.mac.hardware" on it.  I changed it.]
 
> I have a Personal Laserwriter SC which I would like to 
> upgrade to a Personal Laserwriter NTX as I was told I 
> would be able to do when I bought the thing.

What you need is the NTR "accessory kit".  Here is what the price list says
about it:

M2015LL/A	Personal LaserWriter NTR Accessory Kit (includes Controller Card)
List Price: $1249.00
	    A credit of $150 will  be issued upon return of old SC Board.
	    A credit of $200 will be issued upon return of old NT Board.
	    Requires installation by an authorized Apple Service Provider.

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From: craig_williams@qmgate.fnal.gov (Craig Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Duo 210/230 difference
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:48:39 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: na
Organization: Fermilab @ Batavia, IL
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnpm02.fnal.gov

I'm a little unclear here. I've looked through several back issues of
MacWeek but am unable to find a clear definition of the features on the
Duos.
Is the only difference between the 210/230 is the 25/33 MHz clock speed?

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From: robb@mentorg.com (Rob Bartel)
Subject: Opening PB External Floppy
Summary: 
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 21:54:36 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Keywords: 

Anyone know how to open the external floppy from the PB 100? I think mine
has a mechanical problem caused by a child that got a little aggessive with
it, and it definitely isn't worth paying $376(!!!) for the repair.

What an incredible gouge... That is the price I was quoted from 1-800-SOS-APPL

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*** related to Mentor Graphics thoughts in any useful way
From: boykin@gte.com (Joseph Boykin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Quicklink Fax Modem
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:00:10 GMT
Reply-To: boykin@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <Bw66Ju.LoJ@mtholyoke.edu>, gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N) writes:
|> 
|> Is anyone out there using a Quicktel (xeba) modem??

I have it and use it on a regular basis (FAX only).
For the most part it works OK.  However, there are numerous
times when it does not correctly receive a FAX.  There is one
FAX machine in particular that seems to hang the modem totally.

I have not run into the problem you are talking about (keyboard
problems).  The latest software from STF is 2.2.3.  I received 2.2.0
from Logicode a month or two ago.  This version seems fairly
reliable (unlike previous versions).

I am *not* a big fan of this modem.  It works alot better
than the old one I had, but not great.  I am seriously
considering moving to a Supra 14.4 modem.

jb
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: latesh@genghis.borland.com (Latesh Bhatia)
Subject: Fonts for Gujarati, Malayalam, Tamil, etc.
Followup-To: latesh@borland.com
Summary: Fonts for Indian Languages
Originator: latesh@genghis.borland.com
Keywords: Gujarati, Malayalam, Tamil, etc.
Organization: Borland International
Distribution: World
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:10:12 GMT

Could anyone recommend any vendor(s) that provides fonts for these and other
Indian languages?  

I need them for a Mac IIcx.  

Thanks,

Latesh

		   ***** latesh@borland.com *****
From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Enough PERFORMAs, what about the IIvx
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:38:11 GMT
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

<IO92668@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>Any info on the IIvx would be appreciated.

    Take a P600 and add both a cache and an FPU. Presto... instant IIvx.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) 
   "You know Television has gone to hell when, with every commercial,
	 you find yourself hoping to see the Energizer Bunny."
From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: PDA's are flop
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:00:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: outpost.D2150035.fgpeo3
Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce)
Organization: Peirce Software
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <5852@news.duke.edu> (comp.sys.mac.hardware), jfw@neuro.duke.edu (John F. Whitehead) writes:
> In article <Nazedgi-051092162846@stiles-kstar-node.net.yale.edu> 
> Nazedgi@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Ivan) writes:
> >
> >Pda's are the wave of the future and Apple is going to sell trillions of
> >them.  Yeah, right.  I wonder how a computer is going to be able to
> >recognize handwriting when people sometimes can't even recognize their own.
> 
> Because the computer can recognize the handwriting as it's written, not
> after the fact.  Even people who can't recognize their own handwriting
> know what they're writing while they're doing it.

And remember that Apple has demonstrated some really excellent speech
to text technology.  Although I doubt you'll see it in the first model,
I'd be surprised if it didn't show up in a later model.  

Personally, speech input seems to make more sense to me for this type
of thing (PDAs) than for desktop computing.  I'd rather say "Do I
have any appointments next tuesday" to my PDA than say things like
"enter $59 in cell A15, then sum column 7 and take it's net present
value".

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jens@seas.gwu.edu (Jens Johansen)
Subject: Re: IIsi Tune-up: did I miss it?  (me too!)
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:36:28 GMT


I'd like to add my voice to the below article...  If I've missed it, please,
please, please, would someone send it to me?

Thanks in advance,

Jens

In article <1992Oct2.102445.8051@bernina.ethz.ch> Andreas Wuertz <wuertz@tik.ethz.ch> writes:
>Hi everybody. There was a thread about a IIsi that was boosted up to (I
>think, at least) 25MHz. The person who did it promised to write an
>article and post it here. Has this happened yet? Did I miss it? If yes,
>PLEASE repost or e-mail to the address below; I'd be very happy to make
>my IIsi a bit faster while dreaming of a PowerPC :-). Thanks!
>
>Andy (wuertz@tik.ethz.ch)
>
>========================================================================
>The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
>========================================================================


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From: Hammond@biomail.sjsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Adjusting the 9" mac plus monitor...can it be done?
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:26:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Biological Sciences, San Jose State University

In article <parkyn.718998209@sfu.ca> parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn) writes:
>
>Anyone recommend the correct voltage output and how to adjust on a Plus?
>

The recommended voltage is 4.90 to 5.00 VDC, most easily measured on the mouse
connector: gnd is pin 1 , +5 is pin 2. (Get a DB-9 plug at RadioShack, etc.)

The adjustment is on the side of the power supply board, and has the
international symbol of a dashed line above a solid line (means DCV).


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Powerbook batteries
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:03:23 GMT

Do the batteries for the Powerbook 160/180 work in a Powerbook 145/175,
and how about the Duos?

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Mac Classic 2 Memory
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:53:46 GMT
Reply-To: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1kDNsB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, jeffz@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (JeffZ) writes:
>Hello all...
>
>I'm running a Mac Classic 2 4/80 and am running into some memory 
>problems.  I'm running system 7.01 and would like to be able to run 
>concurrently Pagemaker 4.2, WordPerfect 2.1, and ScanMan sotware.
>Is system 7.1 smaller and more efficient?  Can I add anything to the 
>machine to make this possible?  I know I probably can add 4mb SIMMs to it 
>to make it work, but are there any other possibilities?
>

I dont' know what the RAM requirement of ScanMan is but Pagemaker's
is pretty heavy.  System 7.1 will only be fractionally smaller, not
enough to help you.

Either use Virtual memory or open your checkbook.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: d91johek@odalix.ida.liu.se (Johan Ekberg)
Subject: PSI Nubusmodems
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 09:47:11 GMT

I have heard something about a faxmodem that will switch on and of the Mac through the NuBus slot.

The Modems are called NuComForce and NucomEdge and it's PSI who has developed it.

Can I please get some information about them and where I can buy them (price)?

Thank's

    d91johek.@ida.liu.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Brian Reichow <reic0010@student.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Macdirect, APS, and Club Mac
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A70122ADED01650B@dialup-slip-1-11.gw.umn.edu>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 14 Oct 92 01:04:45 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:08:51 GMT

Subject: Macdirect, APS, and Club Mac
From: Paul Siu, upsiu@mcs.drexel.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:22:06 GMT
In article <1992Oct7.002206.28725@mcs.drexel.edu> Paul Siu,
upsiu@mcs.drexel.edu writes:
>I am thinking of buying hard drives from one of these vendors.  Does
anyone
>recommend any one of them?  Club Mac seem to have the lowest price, but
are
>they any good?
>

I can't vouch for ClubMac or MacDirect, but APS is renowned for its
service.  I personally own a Quantum 210 from them, and the thing is
incredibly well constructed.  They consistently blow away the competition
in MacUser and MacWorld labs.  Most importantly, their products either 1)
work flawlessly or 2) they replace it with one that does work flawlessly.
 I have had nary a hiccup with my 210.

I fully intend to order a Maxtor 213 internal from them.  Repeat business
is the best way to demonstrate your faith in them, yes?

Their tech support (free) and their 2-year warranty is among the best in
the biz at their superb prices.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: msbogd@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael S. Bogdanski)
Subject: Utilizing more display on a Q700
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:53:03 GMT

I have seen the MaxAppleZoom cdev which will allow you to use more of the
monitors display area than the default system setup does.  I am curious if
there is a way of doing this using the built in video capability of the
Quadra700.  I am using a Seiko 14" (CM1445) monitor, and there is quite a
bit of space left on the monitor (at least it looks that way).  Is there a
way to use it?  Comments/suggestions appreciated.

Michael S. Bogdanski
msbogd@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: dblackbu@alleg.edu (Dave Blackburn)
Subject: Re: Best Price for Performa 600CD?
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:39:05 GMT

In article <D2150035.fluh5u@outpost.SF-Bay.org> peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org  
(Michael Peirce) writes:
|In article <1992Oct8.211732.5911@lsil.com> (comp.sys.mac.hardware),  
louisc@lsil.com (Louis Chui) writes:
|> In article 13856@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM, rock@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Bill  
Petro) writes:
|> +>What is the best price you've seen for the new Performa 600CD?
|> +>
|> +>Here at Sears in Colorado Springs, it is $2500, with $430 for the
|> +>Performa Plus Monitor.
|> +>
|> +>Are prices better in the San Francisco Bay Area?  How about Frys?
|> 
|> Fry's nor any regular computer stores which I know of is carrying Performa
|> series. The only places I've seen so far are Sears and Montgomery Ward.
|
|I saw Performas in a Circuit City ad today.  The Performa 400 was priced
|about the same as the LCII I saw in a Fry's ad.
|
|--  Michael Peirce      --   peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org
    Nobody is supposed to be selling the P600 until Oct. 19th. Please run out  
and buy one, Louis, and benchmark it so the rest of us can find out if it's a  
decent mac or a dumbed-down piece of junk so it can compete with IBM's at  
Sears!!! (on a level playing field that is ;-)

    But seriously, Office Max is also carrying the P200 and P400. Most Sears  
stores will *not* stock the P600 or P600CD, they will only be at their "Office  
Center" outlets, or by special order. This comes from a salesman's flyer so  
(famous last words) "I know what I'm talking about." Maybe this is to keep  
knowledgeable users away?
    I will be checking Office Max on or about October 19th to see if they have  
the P600 line and what it is like. Office Max has a "price beater" guarantee,  
but they were asking $100 more for the P400 than Sears was, in the same mall! 
--

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