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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC: TT: Nightwing and Starfire (Spoilers)
Date: 8 Apr 1992 14:06:26 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <mtqjq-l@lynx.unm.edu> vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Phred T. Platypus) writes:
>   Yeah, but Nightwing won't stray.  The triangle will be over before
> it even starts.  The marriage will not enhance either character.
> Also, if Dick does marry Kory, everyone will know who Batman
> and Nightwing are.  I can't wait to see the "Bullshit Explanation"
> they have for this.

	Does the average schmoe on the street know that Nightwing and
Starfire have the hots for each other?  I didn't think so.  So long 
as Starfire and Nightwing remember to limit their PDA's, I wouldn't
think there would be a problem.

	Alternatively, Dick could manufacture a new identity, 'Richard
Grey' or something like that, and those two could get married.  For
someone with Dick's experience, a new identity, unconnected with Batman
shouldn't be a problem.
-- 
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From: groth@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Abortion in Comics
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:11:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: hamp.1992Apr9.091129.1
Organization: Hampshire College

In article <fsrjxln.dani@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> fzhedric@hamlet.ucdavis.edu:
>>Considering all the hoopla in the Supreme Court...I was wondering if at any 
>>time in comic history did the topic of abortion ever come up. 
> 
> Wasn't this the subject of the Inhumans graphic novel?
> 
Any time in comic history?  Try the last ten years of Love and Rockets. 
Unless, by "comic history," you mean, the history of stories about people who
can fly, shoot power blasts, and have angst.
GRoth
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-notes
Date: 13 Apr 1992 17:28:29 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine

In article <92104.114205ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
> 2) Bishop is a good addition to the team. IMHO, he isn't the traitor because
>    he practically worships the X-men, he is always seen as being in awe of
>     them. Theories and speculations may fly (since this is a discussion group)
>f    over who the traitor may be, but we are getting away from one thing...

	But, he is discovering that his gods have feet of clay.  It is
conceivable that Bishop might go nuts and decide that the only way 
to ensure his own history is to kill the X-men himself.  Right now, he's
the obvious candidate (along with Gambit) to be Monar-, ahem, I mean
the traitor.

>  3) When are they going to finish up the whole Fitzroy/ Shinobi/Hellfire Club
>     storyline. The writers are distracting us with this traitor thing and
>     the X-men going to another dimension and finding Colossus' brother but
>     have to resolve that storyline that first introduced Fitzroy, or have
>     you all forgotten about White Queen, the Black Queen and the "game"
>     over who gets control of the Hellfire Clubs inner circle? Whatever
>     happened to the Hellions anyway?

	The Hellfire Club has been around since the 120's of the X-men
(earlier if you count Warhawk attacking the X-men, which was later 
revealed to be a plot of the HC).  The Upstarts are supposed to be
the next generation of the HC.  X-men was famous for letting subplots 
slide for years.  Now that Claremont's gone (sniffle), this may change,
but I think the Upstarts are here to stay.  
	And the Hellions were french-fried (a couple of times, like Tarot)
by the Sentinels and then later by Fitzroy.  (BOO HISS!)


>  4) Time travel is a good concept, but it has been abused in the comics.Rachel
>     Ahab, Cable, Bishop, etc...too much. Besides if a character prevents his
>     or her timeline from happening, he/she would be altering his own existence
>     so why wouldn't he just fade away as soon as he changes the future?

	Nope.  In the Marvel Universe, if you travel back in time to
change the past, you end up arriving in an alternate timeline.  In
Rachel's future, Storm never went punk and the Prof could never walk.
She's from an alternate future, where Phoenix and Jean were one and the
same.  There's no reason for them to fade, since they never changed their
personal past, they just changed the 'present' of the mainstream Marvel
Universe.

>  5) Where did the X-men get such advanced techology...this is still the 20th
>     century...

	Most of it is Sh'iar technology, a present from Lilandra to
her imperial consort, Charles Xavier.  The rest is from Forge and 
Charles, who's no slouch himself when it comes to high tech gizmos.

-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
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From: hutchinson@watson.bms.com (ROBERT HUTCHINSON)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Wolvie Card in first pack
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:27:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: watson.7APR199209272429
Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Apr6.000325.4326@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes...
> 
>Amazing: I got two packs of the X-men cards, and in the first there
>was the Wolvie hologram.
>
>Oh, yeah -- I'm willing to sell Wolvie for $100.00. Let me know if
>you're interested! :) (Sorry, money orders & certified bank ckecks only --
>no personal checks. Willing to trade for a full set of TSR's 1991 cards.)


    I have bought twenty packs total and got four holograms (TWO Wolverine, 
1 Gambit, 1 team).  I have seen these for sale in many comic shops for $4.00 or
$5.00 a each.  Your kidding right?

Bob Hutchinson
From: klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Deathlok - ?
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:27:09 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

Just wondering, could someone summarize the origin and end of the
original Deathlok?  I have no clue.

-- 
Jeff Klein                  | "One of you is a Charlie Brown mutant,
                            |  and the other has a hand growing out  
klein@kira.egr.msu.edu      |  of his(?) head!" - Blue Bunny
From: ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: DC: Batman 478-A Gotham Tale (spoilers)
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:07:41 GMT

dave@sofya.math.byu.edu (David L. Carlson) writes:

>Spoilers Ahead

>Well, it appears that DC actually did something unexpected--At least
>we didn't see the rescuers break through the door and see three dead,
>whoops, sleeping bodies.  I have to admit, I, like the poster who
>presented the idea ( sorry, forgot your name) was expecting that as
>the "solution."

Frankly, as soon as the Batman suggested that they were going to have
to kill someone, I thought it was pretty clear that he had something
up his sleeve.  Although I didn't know what it was, I certainly didn't
find the ending to be unexpected.

I really liked the covers, though.  An attempt at realistic clay
figures would have looked fairly foolish, I think, but those were
great.  Not Dave McKean level, but still a lot of fun to look at.
-- 
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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: X-Force: How to fix it.....
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:49:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.1992Apr17.024902.22368
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

>	Well, firstly the concept for the book is that x-force are "outlaws"
>or at the very least working at the fringes of authority.  The problem 
>so far is that they really have done nothing to warrent that status or
>the loathing the other x-groups have shown toward them.
>

What about the fact that it massacred(?) characters that a lot of people liked?

BTW the rest of the ideas were pretty fab.

----SCAVENGER


-- 
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to make crack look like Sanka. -  Dennis Miller| there you are."-Buckaroo Banzai
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From: wkamm@acpy01.att.com (William Kamm (CXNIXPT1))
Subject: Barbie, Mermaid, Beauty/Beast...
Organization: AT&T IMS - Piscataway, NJ (USA)
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:38:12 GMT


I'm interested in obtaining the number one issues of the following comics:

    2 - Barbie (bagged)
    2 - Barbie Fashion (bagged)
    2 - Beauty and the Beast
    1 - Little Mermaid

Any help in locating these would be greatly appreciated!

In addition, if anyone has info on trading cards on the above 3 subjects,
let me know.  I am especially interested in factory sets.

Bill Kamm

att!devildog!acpy01!wkamm
wkamm@acpy01.att.com
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 13:46:23 CDT
From: <UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET> (David R. Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: MUTANT: The Complete Rogue

Don't be fooled by the size, folks; this is just a preview of things to come.

Goaded on by the large amount of Rogue-related questions on r.a.c. recently,
I've decided to finish up a summary of her I was working on sooner than I
expected. This will detail her powers, appearances, enemies, and a whole
buncha other whatnots. The whole thing will probably only be seen on the
Rogue Fan Club's private fanzine, The Stripe, but I'll run down most of the
vital stats and power definitions for r.a.c.

Just give me time to go home and wallow in my old X-Mens and it'll be done.

BTW, the Rogue Fan Club is always looking for more converts. Email below
for more info today!


>>>>>  CTHULHU IN '92! -- Why vote for the LESSER evil?  <<<<<
In related news:  George Bush is the Anti-Kate. Details at 11.
David Henry/Rogue Fan Club/Chaos Anonymous (ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet)
                                          (ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu)
What was your question? --K //Thanks... for the memories. -- Rogue
From: khale@dawnstar.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: DC:  92 Preview
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:57:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dawnstar

In article <9204082251.AA03700@lynx.frame> jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:
>Gary Lewandowski (lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu) writes:
>
>
>>Ambush Bug
>
>Has either a Legion or LEGION appearnce in it, as I recall.
>
Legion. Also an appearance by Death. You know, has anyone thought that
Ambush Bug might be the current version of Oleithros. 

Abhijit
From: afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: adamantium
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:10:30 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

In <167C9424.RCARR00@ricevm1.rice.edu> RCARR00@ricevm1.rice.edu (Rick Carroll) writes:
>Of course, in the most recent Guardians of the Galaxy, Rancor threatens one
>of the Guardians with "the severed claw of her ancestor", i.e. Wolverine.
>Fire that continuity man.  ;-)

Apart from the ball-and-socket joints at the shoulder, there aren't many joints 
that couldn't be separated by cutting through ligaments, etc. Of course, Wolvie 
would have to be very dead for this to work, but there are many many ways to 
kill him. 

>RIC

Andrew.
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: more on 2099
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 05:18:07 GMT

In article <4PTqiB4w164w@jwt.UUCP> bbs-vampire@jwt.UUCP (Aaron Leitch) writes:
>Just my two cents of info that you probably already have:
>
>In 2099, humanity has actauly progressed to the point that super heroes 
>and mutants are nothing.  Even mundane.  So, the heroes of the future 
>have to be about 100 times greater than the current ones.  Also, they 
>will stand on their own.  Marvel is going to try and resist the urge to 
>time travel.  The titels are Rampage, Punisher, Spiderman, and Doom.  
>Rampage is new, and Doom is the same Doom we know and love today, he's 
>still alive!  Spidey and Punisher have no relation to the origonals.
>

I was under the impression that the mutants have left Earth by the time of
the Marvel 2099 series'.

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling (jcowling@butterfly.UVic.Ca)
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opnions disassociated)
"Don't worry, Percy, you'll get over her.  I did.  So did Baldrick, as a
 matter of fact."
				 	- E. Blackadder
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From: Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: MUTANT: Rogue and Sexual Harassment
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:58:51 GMT

In article <92101.155249UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET>, UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:

Now, This is funny. . .

I can't believe I'm jumping into an X-stuff discussion here, but I noticed the
subject line, and in tracking the thread opened up worlds of wonder.  Where to
start:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you people are condemning the
creators for not postulating a black-and-white character.  Or situation, for 
that matter.  I refer you to Watchmen; specifically the Comedian.  Was he a 
hero?  Yes and no. That's for you and you and you to debate. It's amazingly 
ironic to me that one of the more common complaints heard about comics is that
they need to grow up, that they're too kiddyland, that they'll never be high
literature, etcetera you get the idea.  I'm not saying it's intentional, but 
finally we have a situation in possibly the most Mainstream comic out there 
that Does deal with What Would Happen If in a realistic manner.  Sure, Gambit
or someone just like him would act irresponsibly.  And the consequences would
probably Very quickly escalate, creating something that would be. . .
Well, it's be Really interesting to read about.  Don't you think?

Flame away, let me add a couple of things first:
1 No, I'm not equating X-(Book) with Watchmen
2 No, I don't think creators should completely eschew responsiblity
3 No, I won't argue this any further.  Just a couple of idle thoughts.
4 Beige. . .I think I'll paint the ceiling beige. . .

Kevvy Kev


 
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From: kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Corwit of Amber)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN QUESTIONS - HELP, PLEASE.
To: pdorsey@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 11:09:19 GMT

pdorsey@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>1. Is the "Season of Mist" storyline from SANDMAN going to be issued in a
>colllected trade paperback anytime soon? I've purchased (slowly) all of the
>other collected Sandmans, as well as iss. # 29-26, but I REALLY want to read
>the S of M storyline.

I believe all of the stories are supposed to be collected into GNs at some
point.

>2. What else have McKean or Gaiman done? I've got Black Orchid, but that's it.
>I heard references to something called the Books of Magic, as well as the Cages
>series. Any opinions/facts on/about these or anything else done by these two
>geniuses?

Neil Gaiman is doing Miracleman, in my opinion his best work yet.  Certainly
worth checking out.  I don't have Books of Magic, but I will be getting it
at some point.  I think (oo boy, if I'm wrong here I'll never live it down)
that McKean did Arkham Asylum, no?


>3. What else has Alan Moore done besides Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, and
>Watchmen? Anything of interest to a poor fan? Ditto with Frank Miller (aside
>from the Elektra books, Ronin, and the two Batman graphic novels, that is.)

Alan Moore did Miracle Man from 1-16.  They are all collected in GNs now are
are very much worth having.  He's also done two issue of Big Numbers with
Bill (I can't spell his last name so I;m not even going to try) S.

>6. Is Sandman as incredible a series as I think, or is it just because I've
>been out of the loop for almost a decade?

It is, but I think Miracleman is even better.  Whatever, Gaiman has quickly
vaulted into the highest echelon of the Comics trade.  Also, you should check
out Speigleman's Maus series (complete in two GNs in a store near you).

>The VAX I net through is heinously busy at almost all hours of the day, so I
>can't log into newsgroups very often. Thusly, replies directly to me would be
>most appreciated. (I guess that'll also prevent clutter in the group, too.) 


I don't know if this will mail to you or not.... hope so.

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From: 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MAC KINNON)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: X-Men
Summary: Various thoughts
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:21:44 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

Guys,

     Just a few random thoughts on various things going on in the X-Men 
these days:
      
     1) This business with Gambit and Rogue. To be honest, the only things I 
know about this are what I've read on the net. However, if Gambit is being a 
real *jerk* (I'd prefer to use stronger language, if you know what I mean), 
then I'd like to have the writers arrange to have Rogue squash him like a 
tiny bug.

     2) More thoughts on Rogue: you know, having her powers completely out 
of control isn't really necessary. Forge has whipped up power suppressors 
before, hasn't he? I mean, he once completely removed Storm's powers, 
right? Why doesn't he whip Rogue up something? He could even make it 
cybernetically controlled so she could reactivate her powers at a second's 
notice.
     2.1) I know that a lot of you just read that and are thinking, "But 
Rogue's lack of control is such a major part of her character makeup!" 
True, it is. It's just that IMHO the storyline has gone on long enough. The 
writers could use the above method as a temporary method while having Rogue 
gain some REAL control over her powers.

     3) The issue of the traitor: Who knows? Who cares? They'll get around 
to it eventually, I guess. This is just my view, by the way. I know a lot 
of you guys are having fun speculating, and I'm not trying to put you down.

     4) Bishop: He's not TOO bad. It's sort of interesting having a guy 
around who looks on everything saying, I can't believe it!!! I'm among 
LEGENDS!!! (Could get a little tiring over time, though....) (Another 
thought: Anyone out there ever play 1st Ed. AD&D? Bishops powers are 
virtually identical to the old Energy Control psionic ability).

     Finally, there are some things I'd like to see:

     1) Another X-Men - Alpha Flight teamup. (As you may already know from 
another post of mine, I'm a huge AF fan.)

     2) Wolvie and Puck (AF) going on an espionage assignment together.

     3) Scott and Jean getting married. (There were hints of that a while 
back in X-Factor's lettercol. It's sounds cool.)

     5) A resolution of the Forge-Mystique romance prediction (made by 
Destiny shortly before she died at Muir Isle).

     6) Somebody from X-Men kicking Cable's butt, just to teach him 
humility (I have to admit, I enjoyed the Wolvie-Cable fight in Madripoor in 
NM).

     Finally, one question: have the X-Men EVER gotten together with 
Excalibur since their (the X-Men's) supposed deaths? I mean, the first 
meeting should have been really good, i.e. "Why the hell didn't you let us 
know you were alive?!!?" Something along the lines of  "Give me one good 
reason why I shouldn't blow your head off!" - Vindicator (soon to be 
Guardian) to Wolverine in Part II of "Building Blocks".


Take it easy,

Stick
From: bcg42647@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hasaneenee Dingo )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Dark Empire - Nagging Question
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:10:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr9.001059.6233
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I know I'm gonna create quite a 'canon' stir here, but I was noticing
that Dark Empire has tended to try to stay consistent with the RPG information
as it has been given, with one major exception: the planet Byss.
In the RPG Galxy Guide 4: Alien Races, Byss has been identified as not a 
paradise world that no one knows about, but a desolate desert world which

is home to the one-eyed regenerating Abyssins (who had a cameo in A New Hope)
and everyone appears to be familiar with.
Of course, this isn't to say that the RPG is canon...
they also assert that the Rebel pilot Hobbie, the Imperial General Veers, and
Jabba's henchman Bib Fortuna all survived their respective movies.
It didn't happen that way, of course...Hobbie's snowspeeder crashed into 
General Veers's walker in a scene that was later edited, and Bib Fortuna was
clearly on Jabba's barge when they went out to the Pit of Carkoon.
I digress.
Organization: Freshman, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 1992 21:10:57 -0400 
From: Michael Paul Errante <me1g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: X-men 8 (a little late)
	<1992Apr6.205340.7897@wpi.WPI.EDU>

I think the issue was weak.  The traitor thing is just a set up for a
larger fight between Bishop and Gambit(Gambit wins).  The
Psylocke/Cyclops thing is just to set up a cat fight between Jean and
Betsy.  Gee it seems that we have two conflicts here that have people on
both teams.  Is there going to be a fight between the two.  Fuckin'
better not be.
  And the Cajun thing.  The X-Men are going down to help the Thieves and
Assassins get together.  Not an X-many thing to do, thieves and
assassins are bad, the X-men fight bad people, not help make them
better.  Let Gambit handle it on his own, with possibly one or two X-men
going along.  Psylocke and Forge.  Psylocke because she would want
to(she is after all an assassin) and forge because I like him and he
needs some action, not just repairing the Blackbird(have we seen him do
either that or play chess with Charlie since X-men #1????)

Just my thoughts.

00dlez 0f t00dlez d00dz


P.S. I love both Gambit and Longshot.  They are on my top five X-man list.