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From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: How does a dyno work?
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:36:14 GMT

Reply-To: harmons@mithril.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
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>
>O.K., second try.  How does a rear wheel dyno get a HP estimate
>from that roller?  Is there some sort of resistance gradient that is

Dynomometers provide a mechanical resistance to motion and a means to
absorb the energy and a way to measure the torque on the input shaft  and a
way to measure the rotational speed of the input shaft (whew).

Generally the resistance and absorbtion functions are performed by a
hydrodynamic device and circulating water. I do not know where the torque
measurement is taken; It could be a transducer on the input shaft or
a scheme to measure reaction in the hydrodynamic mechanism.

Power is then calculate from torque and rpm values.

Early dyno's were "Prony Brake" devices which used friction material rubbing
on a flywheel to load the system and absorb energy; much as friction
brakes work. This probably where the expression "Brake Horsepower" comes
from.
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: R100GS bags at speed
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:25:09 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 2076@HQ.Ileaf.COM, grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman) writes:
>
>My workaround for now is to keep my hands on the bars.

Who says all bikers is dumb?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: psmith@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (paul.m.smith)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: A new clipless pedal i saw at the local bikeshop
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:56:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T - Denver, CO

In article <1992Apr13.162415.2822@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>
>It's called "Speedplay"; the pedals look like robust lollipops.
>
>The stem screws into the crank arm; the sucker part has four grooves* which
>engage two sprung wires in an indentation which is part of the cleat.
>
>Has anyone tried them?

Nah, I just tie my shoelaces to the footpegs.
-- 

				Paul Smith
From: donovan@hplred.HP.COM (Dave Donovan)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:13:47 GMT
Subject: Hawk For Sale
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

           ******FOR SALE in SF Bay Area*******
	   1991 Honda Hawk
	   Adult owner
	   4900 miles
	   Supertrapp, Dynojet, Custom red seat
	   nicely maintained, cool bike!
	   $3650.00
	   call Leslie at 415 854-2031
	   posted for friend, do not reply to this account
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: O.K., How About DoD MousePads?????
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:53:06 GMT
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow) writes:

>how about MousePads with the Denizen logo?

No way.  My mice be optical.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: hamiltoj@CS.ColoState.EDU ((n)<j>ay)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Breaking in an Engine
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:24:59 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Apr16.050048.26170@seas.gwu.edu> declan@seas.gwu.edu (Declan McCullagh) writes:
>
>I got my CBR600F2 on Monday, and have since put 186 miles on it.  I've
>been wondering exactly what occurs during the initial engine break-in
>period and have heard various different explanations from various
>sources - so I've decided to appeal to the collective r.m net.wisdom.
>
>appreciates it.

<stuff deleted>
>
>-Declan
>
>declan@seas.gwu.edu / DoD #599 / 1992 CBR600F2

There are about a thousand different opinions out there about what 
proper break-in procedures are, and to tell you the truth, just about
every one of them boils down to the same thing: don't baby it too much
nor run the S#$% out of it during that first 6000 miles or so.  

The biggest reason is that in a new engine, the rings (which make the seal
between the piston and the cylinder wall, in case you've not been real
intimate with an engine) need a chance to seat properly.  This means that
they wear to fit the piston perfectly.  If done properly, the engine will
not use oil, and should be guaranteed of a long life if you are religious
changing the oil.

Poorly seated rings may lead to excessive oil use among othe nasty 
problems.  As well, all the other parts of the engine wear together
as well, but the rings are the most crucial.  I would guess you won't 
have a problem babying it, but just don't run it too hard.  Sounds
to me like you are paying enough attention that you won't have any 
problems.

AND CHANGE THAT OIL!!!  No more than 500 miles on the oil the bike came
with.  Change it again at 1500 miles, and then every 1500 mile thereafter.
Frequent oil changes are the best thing for _any_ engine.  'course if
you ride an old HD with a dribbler, you'll always have fresh oil....


Jay Hamilton                      XV1000 with more chrome than a Harley!
hamiltoj@cs.colostate.edu             Time to change the oil AGAIN?!?!?!?!?!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: RE: BICYCLE CRASH
From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:36:00 GMT
Reply-To: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) 
Distribution: world
Organization: The Courts of Chaos * Jacksonville AR USA * 501-985-0059

-> It's high time we equalize the tax laws, create special licenses for
-> bicycle road riding with written and riding tests. Then lets add
-> plates to the bikes, so that if one runs away from a cop, he/she can
-> be tracked down later.
->
-> Hmmm... sounds like motorcycle laws to me. Let's see what happens to
-> your hobby when this happens. This has happened to motorcycling, Bob.

 I get this knee-jerk reaction every time someone refers to my
motorcycle as a "hobby."  It's my main means of transportation, and over
the last eight years, I've owned a streetable cage maybe four of them.
I ride rain or shine, every day, unless it's icy, when I walk or borrow
a cage.

 I pay for plates, insurance, inspection, property tax, gas tax, excise
tax on my tires, and every f***ing thing a cager does, PLUS "luxury tax"
for my "recreational vehicle" and mandatory "safety equipment" I don't
want.

 Hobby, my posterior.
                                                                                                        
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 19:28:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.185816.670@access.digex.com> jamie@access.digex.com (James Treworgy) writes:
>less waste.  Bicycles use a much smaller piece of road space than cars
>do.

Legally, they use 1 lane, the same as any motorcycle or car, though this
may vary by state...

>And furthermore, bicycles aren't allowed on any interstate
>highways which are paid for by federal taxes (ever read those signs on
>the on ramps?).  Why, then, should bicyclists be required to pay all those
>taxes?

Because, as was already pointed out, the Interstate Highway System
exists for reasons of national defense, not transportation.  When Lenin
rises from the grave and re-unites the Soviet Union, they start
lobbing ICBM's over here, an emergency is declared, and civilians are
barred from the interstates, then you'll be receiving the same
benefit as anyone else.  (For the humour-impaired, the preceding sentence
was extremely tongue-in-cheek.)  Besides, if Interstate Highway was funded
completely by user fees, then any tax savings that you, as a non-motorist,
would see would likely be more than offset by an increase in the price
of food, clothing, bicycle tires, etc....

> I say it's high time we raised the tax on gasoline so that americans
>would stop wasting our limited natural resources.

That was the intent of fuel economy requirements, until GM and Ford managed
to lobby them away.  If they can't maintain an existing law, what makes
you think we'll get a new one that's even less popular??

>I have noticed seen a hell of a lot more incompetent drivers on the road
>than incompetent bicyclists.

That's because the incompetent drivers have killed off most of the
incompetent bicyclists and motorcyclists.

> And regardless, the potential to cause
>damage by riding a bicycle is insignificant compared to that of an
>automobile. That's why there is no requirement to have a license or
>registration or insurance.  Sure, you can wreck your $1500 bicuycle but you
>are pretty unlikely to cause damage to a car that would be above the
>typical auto insurance deductible (assuming you were at fault in an
>accident).

If you want sweeping generalizations, I'm sure someone can dig up a case
of a motorist dying as the result of an accident caused by a bicyclist.
Insignificant?  All depends upon the point of view.  And what does the
amount of damage you can do to a car have to do with the auto insurance
deductable?  Are you assuming the motorist should pay for damage that you
did, because you're not insured?

Enough, this is getting silly.  Where are the Silly Sketch Police when
we need them?

-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com                                        Naperville, IL
'71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"  - "Worth the Obsession"
DoD #094        "I'm not mad; just terribly, terribly hurt."  HDM #007
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Question on Harley Extended Warranty
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:36:01 GMT

egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>In article 11742@advansoft.com, eparker@advansoft.com (Eric Parker) writes:
>>My local friendly Harley dealer wants me to buy an extended
>>warranty for my bike.

>What is an extended warranty?  A wager between two parties.  Look at
>what each party bring to the table:

>[The manufacturer knows all, sees all, tells nothing]

>[The customer knows nothing, and is a pawn in the hands of the
>manufacturer]

>At this point, he *knows* how long the bike will last.

But there's one thing he doesn't know. And that is that I'm consuming
this bike at about twice the expected rate, as indicated by the
months/miles column in the periodic service tables. Now that may not
completely balance out against all the points you made above, but it
does tip the scales a bit in my favor.

I did buy a three year extension on my FJ1200's warranty for $320. 
Now maybe the extended warranty on my FJ will turn out to be a waste of
money, but you could say the same thing for any insurance policy. And
since full coverage insurance is costing me $186/year, an extra $100/
year for the warranty coverage still puts me $200/year under what a lot
of places were quoting me for insurance.

Another way of looking at it is that BMW brags about their 3 year
warranty. For less than the price of a Beemer I got a 4 year warranty,
and FJ torque too!

(Yes, I am trying to justify my decision. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
DoD #46               My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.              FJ1200
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood)
Subject: Bike for 1st time rider: Honda 126/Harley XL 175?
Originator: pbh@jake
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:20:20 GMT

Last weekend my younger sister and I were at a swap meet looking at 
getting her a first cycle.  She needs it for tooling around the small
town she lives in where she attends college.  My first cycle was a
74 Honda 125.  She's kinda lukewarm to it, but she saw this 74
AMF-Harley 175 dirtbike that she really liked.  It's a two-stroke
bike that Harley supposedly built in Italy back in the 70's.  Anyway, 
anyone got any suggestions?  Is this Harley (being built in Italy, does
it make it a Pasta from Cornflour - burner?) a good starter for her?
I started on the small Honda so that the one that I can tell her about.
And no, she does not want a bigger bike; she got on my 400 and told me 
'Nice bike, but later for her'.

-- 
"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net," | DoD #1966	
	Matthew 13:47                              | 81 Honda CB400T Hawk
From: jim@eo26.eoc.com (Jim Zeek)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Suzuki RG500 - Anyone know anything?
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:05:51 GMT
Organization: EO, Inc.

In article <1APR199217185287@sigma.tamu.edu> rpb0804@sigma.tamu.edu (BATES, ROBERT PATRICK) writes:
>Might make a nice first bike - a helluva step up from my YSR 50 ;-)
>
You know, I have both and people say they can't see how I can fit on a YSR-50
but the YSR-50 seems more comfortable to ride. And it can handle!

Jim Zeek
jim@eoc.com
-----------
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: howie@che.udel.edu (Ian Howie)
Subject: '74 Harley Sportster for sale
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Long time lurker crawls out from under rock...
Organization: University of Delaware/Department of Chemical Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:22:00 GMT

A friend of mine who does not have net access is selling a 1974 Harley
Sportster. Please contact him at the number listed below.

   1974 Harley Sportster 1000cc
    -in good mechanical condition
    -garage kept
    -new custom paint(multi-tone blue metallic) and chrome
    -padded sissy bar
    -12,000 miles
    -only ridden on weekends

    $3200 or best offer

He is selling the bike to finance the purchase of a larger machine.

Call 302-653-8669 from 6:00pm to 9:00pm EST and ask for Wayne, or
leave a message.


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Ian Howie                                                 1990 FJ1200

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From: sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Eng Wordsmith])
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Traded My Harley
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:11:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: formula1.corp.sun.com

In article <34386@ttidca.TTI.COM> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>In article <92098.212626IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:
>+
>+In article <1992Apr3.204721.22161@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com (Seth
>+Zirin) says:
>+>
>+>Ps: I'm still not sure if the ZX-11 is made by Kawasaki or Suzuki...
>+
>+That's ok.  Some of us aren't sure if a Harley is a motorcycle or an
>+underpowered rocking chair. ;)
>
>What a stupid comment.  It is a paint mixer.

 That's the new model EVO motor.. The older ones are farm implements..

 :->

 Well, actually the EVO is an EVOlved farm implement.

 Stefan

 (cast iron motorcycle engines? gag..)
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: "Shaft Effect?"
From: rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Bob Pasker)
Date: 14 Apr 92 08:36:56 PDT
Organization: San Francisco State U. -- Dept. of History

In article <1992Apr14.080232.1751@nic.csu.net> rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Bob Pasker) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.194026.6666@u.washington.edu> moseley@milton.u.washington.edu (Steve Moseley) writes:
>>In article <12305@tamsun.tamu.edu> bnh5940@rigel.tamu.edu writes:
>>>I have heard several times that shaft drive does something to handling, but 
>>>never expressly *what* it does to handling.  Exactly what is "shaft 
>>>effect" and how can I feel for it?  I don't think my riding is of a sporty 
>>>enough nature to be affected by it yet, but It might be.
>>Short shafts are batter than long shafts, and BMW has a suspension on some
>>models (K1 and R100GS ? maybe) that eliminates shaft effect.
>
>all the K bikes and the R100GS have paralever suspension.  it works
>great!

that should be ...<all the newer> K bikes and the R100GS have....


-- 
-- bob pasker 
-- rbp@sutro.sfsu.edu 
-- not speaking for: San Francisco State -- Dept. of History
From: wilken@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Wilken)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Wheelies
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:43:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.16596
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND

In article <1992Apr8.051212.19992@src.honeywell.com> mikep@cfsmo.honeywell.com writes:
>
>Are there really bikes out there that will actually pull the front end up with
>the clutch engaged and the throttle open?

Ive done an unintentional wheelie on a friend's ZX-11.  Clutch was all the way
engaged and all, I just grabbed a hand-ful of throttle and the front end
came up REAL fast..

Scott
-- 
Go FAST!            |  Internet:  wilken@plains.nodak.edu   |     AMA #587126 
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From: jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu (John Sloan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys?
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:37:17 GMT
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO


I call them the best beginner's bikes ever designed. Consider:

o	Extremely broad power band makes it very easy to handle; no
	lacking in bottom end to slow you down in start-stop traffic,
	nor peakiness that gets you in trouble when rolling on the
	throttle out of corners.

o	Clutch lever effort is fairly high, but clutch engagement
	is easy to make smooth transitions.

o	Brakes are adequate, and very linear in feel.

o	Very low center of gravity, coupled with low seat height,
	is positively confidence inspiring to the new rider.

o	Slow steering fork geometry coupled with big wide tires and
	long wheelbase makes for great stability both in straight
	lines and in corners.

o	Good resale prices mean trying one out as a first bike is not
	an exercise in disposable "commodity" products.

o	Reliability of the "new" Evolution blockhead engine is
	excellent. Maintenance is simple. Aftermarket products
	are widely available.

o	A single bike is versatile enough to be used for touring,
	commuting, goofing around, and is even up to the occasional
	well-maintained dirt road (try THAT on a peaky sportbike with
	a 16" front wheel and stoppie-prone front brakes).

o	If you attend the right rallys, you can actually test ride
	a Harley. Heck, you can test ride _any_ Harley. At Americade
	West a couple of summers ago, I spent a morning test riding
	(solo I might add) a FLHS and a 883 Sportster on beautiful
	mountain roads near Rocky Mountain National Park.

o	The downside is that you have to put up with everyone and her
	brother bothering you in parking lots, asking about your bike,
	admiring your bike, telling you about _their_ Harley, etc. and
	of course the occasional adult who stops dead in their tracks,
	struck catatonic at the image of your bike, seared through their
	optic nerves into the pleasure centers of their brains.

Sure, other bikes are better at other things. That's why you gotta own
more then one bike (and maybe even more than one Harley). But if you've
been thinkin' about gettin' (back) into motorcycling been thinkin'
about gettin' a Hog, but you're worried about whether "it's too much
bike" for you, John-Boy ses Just Do It.

--
John Sloan              "Since I've given up hope,        +1 303 497 1243
NCAR/SCD                   I feel much better."       Fax +1 303 497 1137
Boulder CO 80307-3000 USA                            jsloan@ncar.ucar.edu
Logical Disclaimer:  belong(opinions,jsloan). belong(opinions,_):-!,fail.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: wreck.moto realtime
Date: 08 Apr 92 02:21:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In rec.motorcycles gad@pencom.com writes:
;Sure would make those long boring interstate trips more palatable.
;Just set the throttle lock, crank back and RN. Wouldn't have to worry
;about the wind flipping the pages, but have to keep the mouse out of the
;spokes and chain...

I like this!  Naturally one would never read news while
riding, but it would make a great rest-stop activity.
Get sore from riding all day, read a little news, get
sick of the petty bickering, go for a ride, etc.  Definitely
a plan for retirement...

---
chris (don't need no stinkin' mouse!)
From: erik@archimedes.nwc.navy.mil (Erik van bronkhorst)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What do we call Harleys?
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:53:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Naval Weapons Center, China Lake, CA

In article <1992Apr09.160125.15399@advansoft.com> eparker@advansoft.COM (Eric Parker) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.174603.19971@bwdls61.bnr.ca> space@bwdlh522.bnr.ca (Scott Pace) writes:
>>
>>Japanese bikes are called "rice burners", Italian bikes are called "pasta
>>burners", so what do we call American bikes (Harleys)?
>
>Corn-burners seems appropriate. It is large American food crop. A fermented
>and distilled version of it is consumed by many southern Harley riders.
>You could probably even run a Harley on it. Then it would be a _real_
>corn-burner.
>
>eric

	Best one I yet heard.  Ok, here's a couple:
milk-burner
beer-burner

Those of you who don't get it, chill out it's just a joke :-)

-- 
Erik van Bronkhorst KC6UUT erik@rftech.nwc.navy.mil
DoD#4342585443 AMA#438054 "3.412 squid" "2.5 geezer"
From: weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu (Mike Weaver)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Need info on Suzuki GS400
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:33:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Originator: weaver@castor

I'm considering buying a '77 GS400 from a fellow in Atlanta.
I'm interested in any thoughts about this bike. ie:

Reliability
Handling
Ease of maintenance
etc

He is asking $600 for it, which is quite within my range. If this bike
is OK, I just might join the ranks of those with two wheels.

The ad states:

For Sale:
Suzuki GS400 DOHC 1977
Under 8000 ORIGINAL miles
Adjustable Backrest/Rack, Air Horn, ARAI Helmet.
Color Red.
Always garaged, good condition.
Asking $600.00. Reasonable offers considered.

End ad.

I'm gonna go look at in on Wendsday. Any words of wisdom on what I would want
to look for?

Thanks,
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
Michael Weaver            |"Where ever you go, There will be something in your
weaver@castor.cs.uga.edu  | way." --Banzai Clutter Theorm
DoD#0529                  |
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