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From: tcarr@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Carr)
Subject: Re: one-piece foulies - advice sought
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:26:47 GMT

The thing I hate most is taking water down the neck and the foredeck is the
most likely and probable one to do so (especially when standing on ones
head).

My solution has been a Musto Olympic one-piece.  It has neoprene closures
at the neck and cuffs that do a good job of keeping water out.  This is not
a drysuit though.  The front diagonal zipper has multiple gussets but if
you go in the water you'll be wet.  I would recommend it for wet day races.

Along similar lines, I have a Patagonia pullover top that also has neoprene
seals at the neck and cuffs as well as a large neoprene waist.  I wear it
over a wetsuit john, with shorts, or on long offshore races I bring it
along to wear under my two piece suit when it's really blowing.

Later,  Tom
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Thomas W. Carr                 Soling,  US 431
Northwestern Univ., Engineering Sciences & Applied Mathematics
tcarr@nwu.edu
From: tsai@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jeffrey C. Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Ruth Hall's BOC singlehanded race
Keywords: Mr. Hall's address?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:13:55 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service



I am currently enjoying a book written by Mr. Ruth Hall about
his BOC singlehanded round the world race.  Two questions:

(1) what does BOC stand for?
(2) Does Mr. Hall still reside at Mt. Desert, if so how may
    I find him there?  I will be vacationing at New England
    in June and would like to see his boat.

Thanks.

Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: radar
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:25:14 GMT

roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:

>	Given that, how does a racon work?  It must have an isotropic
>radiation pattern, since you can see them from all angles, but doesn't that
>mean it must put out a huge amount of power to get any visible signal at
>your receiver?


That's not my understanding of it.  The way I got this from some radar book
is that the racon transmits, omnidirectionally, whenever it is pinged by
a radar beam.  Since radar receivers are incredibly sensitive, racons actually
put out very low power.  The average signal returned to the receiver after
being reflected from a target is, I beleive, measured in picowatts.

It is correct that your radar will only see the racon when its anttena is aimed
at it.  This is a good thing, otherwise you'd have no bearing.  The trigger time
on the racon is so quick that you get accurate bearing and range info, along
with the characteristic signal which identifies the racon.

-gb-
From: sreid@bcarh561.BNR.CA (Stuart Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Power on AC boats
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:07:49 GMT
Reply-To: sreid@bcarh561.BNR.CA (Stuart Reid)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.


 
As a newcommer to the world of sailing, I was under 
the impression that there is no power on an AC boat.
(Other then a battery to run the ESPN camera)
 
Until yesterday I didn't realize that there were hydraulics
on board, so I guess there must be power.
 
I am curious to know what systems are powered and from
what source.
 
Stuart Reid
 
"Water doesn't like to be surprised"
      Yacht design principle
From: davea@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dave Angelini)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:35:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Navy trash dumping
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

  LasaST     summer I got to ride across the pacific from Hawaii to Washington    
on the aircraft carrier Nimitz. They seperated glass and plastic and
only dumped offshore. I mean offshore, way out there mon! An A1 group
of sailors.
From: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Courington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: (?) MacGregor 65, Hunter 54, Santa Cruz 70
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:13:19 GMT
Reply-To: billc@sextant.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: sextant.eng.sun.com

In article 16472@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov, sgrenander@nasamail.jpl.nasa.gov (Sven Grenander) writes:

Paraphrased:
(wonders how these boats compare to Deerfeet, whether they are cheap 
and--I infer--poorly built.)
====================================================================

You've got some apples and oranges on your hands here, be
careful.  The MacGregor65 and SC70 are ultralights, and I
believe that the Hunter54 is as well.  The Deerfeet are much
heavier boats for their length.  (Deerfeet _look_ like
ultralights because they are long and skinny and have
smallish rigs, but check out the tankage in the keel stub.)

The SC70s I've seen are racing machines.  Making a cruiser
of one would be a _lot_ of work, and would likely be adding
weight to an already tender boat.  On the other hand, Bill
Lee is building a new fast lightweight cruiser called the
SC52--see Bob Perry's review in the April92 "Sailing".  SC
boats are among the best-built production boats in the US;
they are light but strong and very neatly executed.  (Look
inside a cockpit locker of a Jboat and a Santa Cruz boat
and you will see what I mean about neatness.)  This kind of 
construction is expensive.  I'll leave it to others to describe
the Hunter and MacGregor, but I think you're on the right 
track when you say "a lot of boat for the money".

A general note on ultralights* from the owner of an
Olson30.  Their designs are optimized for running and broad
reaching--they are born to run.  Compared to a boat of
similar LWL but more conventional displacement, ultralights
don't go well upwind in a breeze.  Take enough sail off to
make them comfortable and you lose power to drive through
the waves.  On the other hand, they are gratifyingly fast
in light air on all points of sail.  (I sail past lots of
larger cruising boats in light air with my 95% self-tacking
jib.)  They are responsive, they steer well, and their
sails are small for their length.  They are wonderful
boats, but they are not all-rounders.  Anybody who wants to
go cruising on one (me!) should be prepared for less luxury
than is customary on today's cruising boats; water,
refrigeration, washing machines, etc. are heavy.

*A boat's lightness is by convention determined by its 
displacement:length ratio.  You can compute this by 
(disp/2240)/((.01*lwl)^3).  These days, DLs are categorized 
as follows

<100    Ultralight         e.g., Olson, Santa Cruz, Moore
100-200 Light              e.g., Jboat, current IMS racing designs
200-300 Moderate           e.g., Bob Perry cruiser, Cal40
300-400 Heavy              e.g., Hinckley
400+    Very Heavy         e.g., Westsail?

Bill Courington
Newsgroups: rec.boats,rec.travel,rec.backcountry,va.general,uva.general
From: abl9y@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew B. Lederman)
Subject: HIGH SEAS ADVENTURE: science under sail
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:32:39 GMT


>Sail into the summer on the S.S.V. Westward not as a passenger but as
>a member of the ship's company!  On your seven-day cruise, experience
>life at sea first-hand as you help crew this 125' steel-hulled
>staysail schooner by navigating, hoisting sails and standing watch.
>On board this research vessel you'll study the important biological,
>physical and geological features of the practicing oceanographer.
>You'll also contribute observations and measurements to long=term
>environmental research projects in the western North Atlantic.
>
>   For adults, students over 16 welcome!
>    The cruise is scheduled for June 15-21st
>  
>  For more information call the Museum course Registrar at the 
>  Boston Museum of Science at (617) 589 - 0340.


I just thought people would be interested in this.  It is an amazing
trip that I participited in last year.  The Museum is a non-profit
organizaiton, and their trip is run in conjunction with Sea Education
Association (the ships operator, also non-profit).  The fee for the
trip is $1285 for Museum members, $1325 for non members.  The cruises
generally leave from Boston and end up in Woods Hole, MA (or vice
versa).
	Last year on my cruise we saw all sorts of marine life,
including whales and dolphins.  It was an incredible experience
sailing such a huge old schooner, climbing in the rigging, etc.

If you are interested, give the Museum of Science a call, or write me
at ABL9Y@Virginia.EDU.  Tell the Museum Andrew sent you!

Thanks! 

From: Mike.Horner@f764.n153.z1.fido.zeta.org.au (Mike Horner)
Sender: UUCP@ship.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Weather Fax
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:23:00 -0800

DZ>  From: zielke@FOZZIE.NRL.NAVY.MIL (David Zielke)

DZ>  Any suggestions about inexpensive weatherfax capability?  I am planning to
  >  go offshore (about 3 weeks and rarely more than 150 nm hops) but we want t
  >  practice using the available technology.  I have access to a laptop PC wit
  >  thermal printer and a small SSB general coverage receiver.  Although I wou
  >  also be interested in inexpensive self contained options...

DZ>  David Zielke
  >  zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
  >  'Botney Bay'
  >  Cal 35 hull 006

        David, We have a software package that will allow you to recieve
        weatherfax on your PC. For more info call me via voice at
        800-347-3660 (this is voice mail, leave your number, I will
        return voice). Cheers....

 * OLX 2.2 * 20,000 leaks under the sea? How'd they fix them?
From: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu (Mark Folse)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: AC rules
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:47:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: msuinfo.1992Apr15.144714.9379
Reply-To: folse@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Mark Folse)
Organization: Michigan State University

A quick AC rules question: The Washington Post reported that the America 3
campaign can pick which boat is uses in the defense of the cup (presuming
they win the next series), even tho' they campaigned Kanza and A3 seperately
in the defender series. Is this correct? It seems a bit unfair to be given
as many berths in the early series as one has boats, but then to be allowed
to use the multiple boats in the defense.

Not that I don't want USA to win, but...
Newsgroups: rec.boats,sci.electronics
From: bix@btree.uucp (Jim Bixby)
Subject: Advice wanted on fishfinders
Organization: Brooktree Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 19:35:26 GMT


I would like advice and/or experiences with video depthfinders.  Here's
what I'm looking for:

Price: under $1200
Display: Supertwist LCD preferred over CRT
         Resolution of 256x256, or 200x320, seems about right
Power: greater than 150 watts RMS (1200 watts peak-peak)
Speed, Temperature measurement available
Display of nav data in numeric format via NMEA 0183 interface.
Plotting of nav data desired.
A-Scope display desired.

Any comments would be appreciated.
Also, does anyone have experience with side-scanning LCD fishfinders,
such as the Dimension 3 product from Hummingbird, or the Matrix product
from interphase?


Jim Bixby               (619) 535-3303
Brooktree Corporation   uucp:    ...ucsd!btree!bix
San Diego, CA

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Subject: Re: BVI IN JULY, INFO WANTED:Continental Shelf
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:56:42 GMT

jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:

Several Comments about priceing with which I agree 100%

>A good point. We were given a little flip book guide book that was quite
>helpful, but no "real" charts at all. Mostly we were within sight of wherever
>we were headed to, so it was no problem, but I'd have felt more confident with
>a little auxilliary information. 

Very true. The "chart" we were given covered the entire US and BVI and had no
useful details for any anchorages except for North Sound Virgin Gorda and for
Charlotte Amalie and Rhode Town.

>One other thing that's sort of fun is to sail
>out through the southern string of islands and off the continental shelf. It's
>about a mile or two out--takes only about 20 minutes to get there. You watch
>the depth-sounder say 60...65...100...140...180...280...BEEP...BEEP...
>over the course of about 2 minutes sailing. It's pretty impressive.

Somehow, I thought contentental shelves tended to be at about 600 feet of
water (100 fathoms)??, and most of them on trailing edges of continents have
very low slopes - about 2 degrees, so they are not very noticable with a depth
sounder. In reality, a continental shelf marks the edge of continental (sialic)
basement rocks and the ocean floors are "ocenanic" crust (simatic), so with an
island in the carribbean, it could be very close to shore and the slope could
be more precipitous. Any oceanographer types out there with caribbean specific
information? 

chad
price@helios.unl.edu
From: sblair@upurbmw.dell.com (Steven C. Blair "Unix Network Services")
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Plea to America's Cup posters
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:22:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: raid.1992Apr13.212244.27043
Organization: Dell Computer UNIX Internetworking Services

In article <1992Apr13.205613.19591@leland.Stanford.EDU>, stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
> If you plan to post information about an  ongoing Cup
> race, please don't put the result in the Subject line.
[stuff deleted]

Remember that the folks doing this are doing it for niceness. How about
they put it as the last line.

Better yet, don't read AC news until the next day. I've got a 20
person alias to get this information to, and would for one, hate
to see it quit coming.

-- 
Steven C. Blair    DELL UNIX NETWORK OPERATIONS        sblair@dell.com
==========================================================================
"One form to rule them all, one form to find them, one form to bring them"
	"all and in the darkness rewrite the hell out of them."
                       -- Sendmail ruleset 3 comment from DEC
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: sgrenander@nasamail.jpl.nasa.gov (Sven Grenander)
Subject: Re: radar
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:12:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.192514.4326@progress.com>, gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes:
> 
> roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:
> 
> >	Given that, how does a racon work?  It must have an isotropic
> >radiation pattern, since you can see them from all angles, but doesn't that
> >mean it must put out a huge amount of power to get any visible signal at
> >your receiver?
> 
> 
> That's not my understanding of it.  The way I got this from some radar book
> is that the racon transmits, omnidirectionally, whenever it is pinged by
> a radar beam.  Since radar receivers are incredibly sensitive, racons actually
> put out very low power.  The average signal returned to the receiver after
> being reflected from a target is, I beleive, measured in picowatts.
> 
> It is correct that your radar will only see the racon when its anttena is aimed
> at it.  This is a good thing, otherwise you'd have no bearing.  The trigger time
> on the racon is so quick that you get accurate bearing and range info, along
> with the characteristic signal which identifies the racon.
> 
> -gb-
> 
> 
Sorry for my ignorance, 

but I can't remember any references to a racon in
years of reading recreational sailing magazines. Is this due to a very
specific blind-spot in my reading, or are racons not used in recreational
boating ?

I ask because from what you stated it sounds like a racon is an active
radar reflector which sounds like a useful (expensive ?) idea. I am also
amazed at the response speed implied by "The trigger time on the racon is so 
quick that you get accurate bearing and range info".

Let's see, at the speed of light .... yup, that is very fast !

Any additional info would be appreciated. Thanks.

-Sven.
From: fmohamad@oscar.UUCP (farshad mohamadi)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: bareboating in Florida's Westcoast/Gulfcoast
Keywords: Florida
Date: 11 Apr 92 07:55:07 GMT
Distribution: na


Folks,

I am planning a bareboat sailing vacation, or staying at a beach front
with daysailing in mind, on the Westcoast/Gulfcoast of Florida and
would appreciate any suggestions or ideas as to the location of this
venture.

Last summer, I spent a day in Clearwater, which was absolutely
beautiful.  So this is my frame of reference.

Thank you.

Farshad Mohamadi
fmohamad@oscar.hns.com
San Diego
Hughes Network Systems
(619)-452-4772
From: Geno.Dellamattia@f764.n153.z1.fido.zeta.org.au (Geno Dellamattia)
Sender: UUCP@ship.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: radar
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:18:00 -0800

JKS>From: jstand@mcnc.org (John K. Standish)
JKS>Organization: Center for Microelectronics, MCNC; RTP, NC

JKS>I would like to know if anyone has experience with the less expensive
JKS>dome style Apelco or Raytheon (< $2000.00)) with 16 - 24 mile range.

I have the 16 mile Furuno and I understand that the new Raytheon is even
better....

JKS>My biggest concern is the ability to navigate a channel at night and
JKS>discernabilty of objects (buoys, oncoming vessels, ect) and effect of
JKS>clarity by rain.

I wouldn't leave home without it.  You can adjust it so fine that it
will pick up birds on the water.

 * OLX 2.2 * I'd rather skipper in hell ,than crew in heaven...
From: dave%snowgoose@uunet.uu.net ( Dave Stoffel )
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: swinging your compass with a sun-dial
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 11:29:29 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Clear Vision Foundation



A friend recently hired a firm to come out on his 56' ketch and swing
his compass.  They brought a gyro and a sun-dial with them (instead of
using navigation aids.)  They only brought the gyro as a backup, in case
the sun was hidden by clouds.  They used the sun-dial, as it is the more
accurate method of determining magnetic bearing.  They brought a
computer printout with time and bearing for our latitude and longitude.

Anyone know of a program that will produce listings of time and sun's
magnetic bearing for a given latitude/longitude?

	Dave Stoffel	uunet!snowgoose!dave

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: larry@pdn.paradyne.com (Larry Swift)
Subject: Re: Referance to Navy trash dumping
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:24:52 GMT

In article <53374@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough) writes:
>I have recently finished serving a tour of duty in the Navy and you can take
>my word that trash is dumped off aft without regard to what kind of trash it
>is. I have no idea if it is legal or not but I do know that it can only be done
>at a specified length from shore.This is just FYI. 

I have received first hand reports that not only is
there no regard for what or how trash is dumped,
but they also routinely dump radioactive waste.

Larry Swift                     larry@pdn.paradyne.com
AT&T Paradyne, LG-132           Phone: (813) 530-8605
8545 - 126th Avenue, North      Gulfstar 37, aft cockpit
Largo, FL, 34649-2826           She's old and she's creaky, but she holds!
From: sau@sleepy.bellcore.com (Stephen A Uhler)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What's BOC stand for... (partial)
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:19:06 GMT
Reply-To: sau@sleepy.bellcore.com (Stephen A Uhler)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ

Would you believe British Oxygen Company, the original sponsor.
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey)
Subject: Re: America's Cup Results for April 2, 1992
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:17:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.201643.15279@qualcomm.com> wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker) writes:
   In article <1992Apr4.193539.22836@klaava.Helsinki.FI> 
   tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
   > Bill Walker wrote:
   > >Paris bow was punctured by the collision, and the French sailed the 
   race 
   > >with as much as 100 gallons of water in the boat.  But the on-the-water 
   > >referees held Ville de Paris in the wrong for the collision and the 
   > >270-degree penalty turn made by the French after the start coupled with 
   > ^^^^^^^^^^^
   > >the broken bow and extra water essentially killed Ville's chances.  
   Nippon 
   > >led by 1:09 at the first mark and slowly but steadily pulled away in 
   the 
   > >perfect conditions.  If the rudder hadn't borken when Nippon was 
   leading 
   > >Ville de Paris on Wednesday, Nippon would be tied for second in the 
   > >semifinals.
   > 
   > 
   > For how long must one follow the course perpendicular to the proper
   > course to be exonerated? :-).

A 270 degree turn is a match racing penalty.  I don't think you need
sail on the perpendicular course for ANY distance, it's just that the
extra downspeed maneuver to get back on course is usually delayed
until it can be effected without so much lost distance.

I think the penalty is designed to be the minimum which will allow a
boat that's being tightly covered to escape.
From: paul@ee.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: O'dayDay Mariner *&* Sears aircooled outboard
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:22:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1992Apr16.173301.13420@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> folse@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Mark Folse) writes:
>Two followup questions to my earlier post: Owner is asking $2500 for a '73
>hull in good/excellent shape (his word, i Haven't seen it yet) with
>1 yr old sails and an outboard. Anyone's thoughts to post or e-mail appreciated.
>
>2.  the boat has a Sears air cooled outboard 7hp of undetermined vintage
>of which he says he has no complaints. Any thoughts on this piece of
>equipment also appreciated.

Mark, can't comment on the boat but the Sears motor. If it is green, no reverse
	only N and forward, small 3 blade prop, ours says Ted Willims Sears,
	It works ok. Have had it for 7 years with LOTS of abuse. My sons use
	it on a 12ft wooden row boat for every thing from fishing to just
	riding around. It's nothing more that a Clinton 2 cycle engine
	conected to a lower unit. To go in rev. you turn the motor 180.
	I got this one from a sale on the road at my parents cottege.
	Took the model# to Sears and they said it was about 1968. No 
	parts for the lower unit but that the engine parts can be had
	at any lawn mower shop. Sure enuf, points and plug and carb
	kit from the mower shop. I do have a book on the motor if you 
	want a copy. One nice thing is that since it is air cooled it 
	can be run ot of the water, there is no water pump. Oh, be 
	sure to keep the lower unit FULL of gear oil. If you need help
	give a shout.

	paul

>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker)
Subject: Re: AC sailoff pre-race update
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:52:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.175749.25128@morrow.stanford.edu> 
francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
> Whatever the outcome -- and it could be any of the finalists on either
> side -- I would like to say now that this has been a better designed and
> conducted pre-race series than I could have anticipated in my wildest 
> dreams. 
[...] 
> I have gained
> new respect for DC, but my money is still on Koch -- chiefly for picking
> Buddy Melges as his First Mate (?).

Smart work on Koch's part, indeed.  

The local businesses are scared to death that DC won't be in the defense 
final, because they figure nobody will come here and spend money just to 
see two America^3 boats practice against each other (since the syndicate 
can put whichever boat they want into the Cup race, who cares which boat 
wins the final?).   On the other hand, if DC's in it, there'll be two 
teams to root for, and a real winner and a real loser.  Personally, I 
think it'd be more fun that way, too.  Besides, it's fun to see the 
"little guy" (budget-wise, that is.  Dennis is anything but a little guy) 
take on and maybe beat the "big guy" (budget-wise).

----------
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All opinions expressed are mine, and do not reflect those of my employer.
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare