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From: mla@pilot.njin.net (Marc L. Appelbaum)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: LIGHTS
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:34:50 GMT
Organization: NJ Intercampus Network


In article <wdsbH=q00VAz4dlWp4@andrew.cmu.edu> ig00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ian J Gardner) writes:


> "If only people would pull over."  "If only they had to pull over.", etc.
> 
> I'm sorry (well, not really), but I don't go for that.  These are
> courtesy lights.  In no way does any state (as far as my knowledge goes)
> allow vehicles running with lights of this system to disobey traffic
> laws.  Even under the current system, I've seen PLENTY of people think
> it was their God-given right to speed/run thru light/etc.

In NJ, the law does state that you MUST pull over when you see a blue
light.  Failure to do so, can result in a summons for failure to yield
to an emergency vehicle.  The law also states that in order to go thru
lights, you MUST have RED LIGHTS and a SIREN on.  So, POV's with blue
light CAN'T run lights in NJ.  Actualy even police patrol cars,
ambulances and fire trucks must come to a complete stop before
proceeding throught a red light.

Yes, trainging would help.  Most of the sqauds in Monmouth County, NJ
are requiring some form of training.  But there is no state mandated
driving course yet.  My squad requires that every year you take a
course called Ambulance Manuvers.  Which is basicly an obstacle
course, if you hit more than one cone you fail.


Marc
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:57:28 PDT
From:         Steve Buck <sbuck@EDDIE.EE.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Public Service Freq.s Wanted for Charlotte, NC
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              9, 92 8:34 am

> Can anyone recommend some interesting police/fire/EMS freq.s for the Charlotte
> area?  I'm heading down there at the end of the month on a business trip and I
> plan to take my scanner with me.
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Ok Gary, here are the ones that I have:

f-5 dispatch     460.575
misc Fire        154.280
 "     "         460.525
 "     "         460.550
 "     "         460.600
 "     "         460.625

Charlotte Life
Saving Crew      155.280

Charlotte Hosp   155.325

Charlotte Rehab
Hospital         155.400

Police freqs     453.300
  "     "        453.500
  "     "        453.700
  "     "        453.800
  "     "        453.900
  "     "        453.950
  "     "        460.025

Park Rangers     158.835

Hope these help...I haven't verified any of them, but they should be good.
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From: cfranz@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher Aaron Franz)
Subject: Re: EMS / FIRE
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:00:30 GMT

Recently I mentioned at my company(volunteer) that alot of the younger guys
were getting their EMT and maybe we should all at least have CPR.  I instantly
got criticized because most of the guys didn't even want to get involved with 
first aid. They were afraid they would have to run squad calls eventually and
be responsible, for example, for the patient as well as their extrication at  
an accident.  Why is everyone so close minded to learning first aid?  I 
think its important for everyone.
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Christopher Franz WPI      "It'd take a woman to stop me from drinking,
cfranz@wpi.wpi.edu          but it'd have to be a real big woman."
Worcester Polytechnic I.   "Hey, how about those Mets."      
River Road Fire Company
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From: b1y1m39@kato.BELL-ATL.COM (Bob Esposito)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: New TV Show: Code 3
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:19:29 GMT
Organization: Bell Atlantic

In article <1992Apr9.123352.1795@memstvx1.memst.edu> ussmith@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>This is my first post to this group, and forgive me if this has
>already been discussed...
>
>A new show called ( I think ) Code 3 premieres this Saturday night
>on Fox. It will be on immediately after COPS and is supposedly very
>similar to COPS, except it follows paramedic units.
>
>Anyone have more information on this new show??
>
>Rick Smith
>Memphis State University


	Except to say that air time is 9 PM.


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From: mbeaty@isis.cs.du.edu (Mike Beaty)
Subject: Re: LIGHTS
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 00:04:20 GMT


In article <wdsbH=q00VAz4dlWp4@andrew.cmu.edu>, Ian J Gardner 
<ig00+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> I'm sorry (well, not really), but I don't go for that.  These are
> courtesy lights.  In no way does any state (as far as my knowledge goes)
> allow vehicles running with lights of this system to disobey traffic
> laws.  

Perhaps where you live, but certainly not in the entire USA.  There are
states which grant emergency vehicle status to volunteers responding to
emergency calls.  Colorado is one of these.  By law, drivers here are
required to yield the right of way.  Not all do, but that is another
issue altogether.  So, now you have more knowledge ;-).

> A simple dashlight doesn't even come close to providing adequate
> lighting.  

I violently agree with this statement.  Here, the minimum required by
law is a red light visible 360 degrees and a bell/whistle/siren audible
for 500 feet.  I run with much more than the minimum.  More than some of
our fire apparatus ;-).

> Furthermore, these drivers don't necessarily even require TRAINING!!

What are you trying to say here?  I think you mean that formal training
is not required of drivers who have lights on their POVs (Privately
Owned Vehicles).  That is true, at least in Colorado and Indiana (the
two states where I have driven emergency vehicles).  Is there some state
which *requires* a minimum level of training before operating an
emergency vehicle with LAS (Lights And Siren)?  A POV with LAS?  Which
state?  What level of training?

As you may note, I am an advocate of allowing full LAS on POVs.  I am
also an advocate of extremely cautious driving, *especially* when
running LAS.

Mike
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From:         FIREMARSHALL LEN <LXS7507@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: alphanumeric pagers

        Joe,

        Using alphanumeric pager for fires/ems dispatching is really an
interesting idea.  I have never thought of using them for this purpose.  Have
you seen or previously used these pagers for this?  How well does it work?  Has
anyone else used this type of paging system?

        [Gee, that is a lot of questions for one letter!!]

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From: traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: LIGHTS
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:36:42 GMT
Organization: Sanders Associates

What the heck, I'll throw in my $.02:

	In New Hampshire, according to state law:

An emergency vehicle is only required to use EITHER visible OR audible warning
device(s), they do NOT have to use both!

People are required by law to get out of the way.

Emergency vehicles must exercise due caution.

Volunteers in POV's using warning devices are emergency vehicles.

	That's it for state laws (New Hampshire's state motto is "Live free or die.").
In general, police use blue, ambulance and fire use red, highway, tow-trucks
and such use amber.  White is also often used in addition to blue or red for
added visibility (intersection lights, etc.).

	Most of the larger towns (including ours, which isn't so large :-) use the
Opticom traffic light override system (the one that uses the very fast flashing
strobe light).  It doesn't always have the activation range you want, but in
general I think it works well.

	In the car that my wife and I use for responding to ambulance calls (1988
Accord Lxi - whoever's on call takes that car, it's cheaper than doing up two)
I have installed one of those cheap teardrop rotators on the rear deck (inside
the rear window), a Dashmaster strobe on a suction mount on the windshield, and
headlight flashers (wig-wags).

	The above setup is usually more than adequate to get folks out of the way. I
think in a rural or semi-rural environment like ours people are more
knowledgable about and sensitive to volunteer organizations. It still doesn't
work on those jerks who think that if it's a POV they don't have to move,
though this has never happened at night, since the wig-wags makes them think
it's a cop!

	In our town the volunteers are all trained to drive the ambulance, and are
watched like a hawk when it comes to POV driving behavior. Never get caught
doing double the limit or blowing through an stop sign or traffic light without
stopping, or you'll here about it, to say the least!

Scott (traurig@ncavax.decnet.lockheed.com)
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From:         FIREMARSHALL LEN <LXS7507@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: CODE3

        I think that they narrated the show too much.  (yes - and the
psycological stuff to keep the pt. calm was rediculous)  The events seemed, to
me, to be more stories than an 'actually happening' incidents.  And it seemed
to be missing something that Cops and E-On Scene has.
The show had enough to get me to watch again next week, but... well...  if
next weeks isn't any better than that may be last time.


        VOTE:           1/2 thumb up.           (???)


                                                ---Len


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From:         AGRAZIADEI@GALLUA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: ems shorthand

joey--
 both are from the latin for with and without
    with = cum, hence the c with the overbar
    without - sans, hence the s with the overbar

ann graziadei
From: David.Brooks@p5206.f5118.n124.z1.fidonet.org (David Brooks)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Mabank Fire
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:26:21 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/5118.5206 - Smoked Armadillos, Richardson TX

Anyone know all the details on the firefighters injured in the explosion at 
the fire last night in Downtown Mabank, Texas.  There were two seriously 
injured guys from the backdraft according to the news. Another firefighter was 
able to get up with only minor injuries. He was on his first fire from what I 
gathered from the little news I saw. The fire was said to be suspicious in 
nature.
  I am interested to know the condition of the Chief and Firefighter from 
Mabank who were seriously injured. Also, if it is determined to be arson I 
would like to hear that also.  It is terrible that someone would set a fire 
and destroy business buildings and other property. Even worse is arson when a 
civilian or firefighter is killed or injured.
   I do know what it is like to be injured in a fire of suspicious nature. I 
was not the only firefighter hurt that night. We are all better now though.


        -David


 

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From: Alex.Romanoski@f308.n273.z1.fidonet.org (Alex Romanoski)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Lights and stuff....
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:40:02 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:273/308 - T.T.C. RBBS-PC, West Caln PA

> From: sprb_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Michael Sperber)
>   I know that this thing with lights and strobes has gone on for a
> while now, however I just have a couple of things to add.  First, what
> do you all prefer both on your POVs and department vehicles, strobes,
> halogen flashers, rotating mirrors, etc.; and why?!?
>   Also, I am not a resident of New York, but I do all of my EMS stuff
> up here (actually I am from Connecticut), and I have not seen a single
> vehicle with strobes (POV or department). Is this a state law, or
> what??

I personally like stobes the best. They really seem to stand out in 
traffic. Many times you can't tell the difference between regular 
flashers and turn signals, and mirrors don't seem to be too good 
anymore, especially during the day and near mirror-window buildings. To 
me, strobes are #1. Although one neat item I see now-a-days are 
"stingers." They are lights that move in a small pattern, but are kinda 
catchy for the eye to pick up on.
AJR


 

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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 08:16:35 EDT
From:         "Joey J. Stanford, Graphics Research Group" <GRJS@VM.MARIST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CODE3

>The narrator was none other than Buck Rodgers himself. I thought it was
>OK. Nothing like cops though. The show did teach me two things. 1: Bring my
>own trauma bag if  I go to Honolulu. And 2: If I do go, don't say in a hotel
>above the 3rd floor cause that fire dept. was pathetic!
>
>Bob Corwin

Bob,

 One more thing....

  Always make sure your safety line is SECURED.  Don't want to black-out
and go flying off on a tangent. =)

 Great ariel footage on that one tho!

jj
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From: bravo461@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (christopher.m.nelson)
Subject: Re:      trapped resp. arrest
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:28:01 GMT

From article <01GIF38AOBYQAFUPR4@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>, by         TRAUMA JUNKIE <JAT8419@RITVAX.BITNET>:
> If you had a pt in a scene of a multiple injury (5-6) and the pt was in
> resp. arrest and trapped behind the steering column of the car what would you
> do:
>  You are short handed at the scene of the 3 car MVA.  There is a cardiac
> arrest pt. a sever femer fracture on  a 7 year old girl sever walking wounded
> and a trouble breathing w/ chest pains.  It is you and a first aider on scene.
> 
>         How would you handle the situation..?

In this situation, I would tag the cardiac arrest and the
respiratory arrest patients as black, since there are other serious
patients and the immediately available resources are slim.

The femur FX and the difficulty breathing/chest pain patients
would be tagged as red.  Remember that most trauma patients that
die, do so as a result of trauma to the head, neck or abdomen (I
think it is > 80%).  If the femur FX did not present with an
immediate life threat, such as severe blood loss, I would probably
dedicate most of the resources to the the respiratory/chest pain
patient.  It may not be known if this patient's problems occurred
before the accident or are the result of trauma sustained in the
accident.  In either case, the condition should be considered
serious.  Many underlying critical chest injuries could present
with difficulty breathing and/or chest pain.  If these complaints
are related to an MI, this is also to be considered an immediate
life threat.

The remainder of the patients (walking wounded) would probably be
classified as yellows or greens.
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From: Jeff.Johnson@f71.n275.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Johnson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: NJ Blue Lights
Date: 10 Apr 92 05:16:37 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:275/71 - SafetyNET, Virginia Beach VA

CF-> From: cfranz@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher Aaron Franz)

CF->         New Jersey does allow blue lights for volunteers,
CF-> but their laws are really outdated.  Back when I got my
CF-> permit(3 Years ago) the maximum candle power
CF-> was 51.  I don't know many places where you can find a
CF-> light that weak.  I use
CF-> a set of blue "fog" lights and a dash light (supposedly
CF-> illegal).  Most of the laws are relaxed in some
CF-> communities.
CF->         Personally I think someone should make an attempt
CF-> at revising the law,
CF-> but I still enjoy the present one (even if noone pays
CF-> attention to the lights).

laws do need to be changed so start with your own community. good luck.


 

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From: jrd5@po.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: ems shorthand
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:00:43 GMT
Reply-To: jrd5@po.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, AGRAZIADEI@GALLUA.BITNET () says:

> both are from the latin for with and without
>    with = cum, hence the c with the overbar
>    without - sans, hence the s with the overbar

Almost!  Latin for "without" is "sine", accent on the second syllable.

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From:         Sebastian Rueckert <rueckert@AECOM.YU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ems shorthand
              "AGRAZIADEI@GALLUA.BITNET" at Apr 6, 92 2:05 pm

AGRAZIADEI@GALLUA.BITNET writes:
>
> joey--
>  both are from the latin for with and without
>     with = cum, hence the c with the overbar
>     without - sans, hence the s with the overbar

er... someone is mixing their latin and french... :)
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From: avon@emx.utexas.edu (Mike Ward)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Communication Network
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:11:08 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas


I have just been appointed by the Rio Grande Council of Govenments REMSAC
(Regional EMS Advisory Committee) to sit on another committee (don't you
just love bureaucracy!).  The committee that I have been placed on is 
coming up with a region wide microwave communication network.  We have been
charged with coming up with not only the technical information, but also a 
SOP for the network.  We will then put the service into operation.  After
the system is in and working, the Texas Dept. of Health EMS Dept. would like
to use our system as a blueprint for a state wide system.

Given the above, anyone have anything similar or suggestions (other than 
shooting my self in the head to avoid the pain of dealing with govenments).
I am intrested in hearing on both technical and operational ideas/comments.

Thanks in advance,
Mike Ward EMT-P


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From: jrd5@po.CWRU.Edu (Jacob DeGlopper)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: keys for FD auto-alarms
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:54:35 GMT
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Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, silber@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Jeffrey Silber) says:

>In article <1992Apr15.163131.6589@Princeton.EDU> chinatti@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Stephen A. Chinatti) writes:
>>I assume that the district
>>chief's cars must have some sort of system where they possess keys for the
>>major buildings which have automatic alarms, and to enter the building, they 
>>must have the dispatcher send the appropriate series of DTMF tones to 
>>physically get access to the key to enter the building.  Is this the correct 
>>assumption?
>
>This sounds very similar to the Knox Box system installed in Ithaca, NY.  
>The system works as follows:
>
>1)  There is a small, heavily armored, inconspicuous box attached to the
>    buildings that have (in this case) direct alarm connections, or are
>    otherwise required to have one according to the Building Code.
>
>2)  The box contains the appropriate keys for access to the building.
>
>3)  The Chief's car (and Asst. Chief, Lieutenent, etc.) have a device
>    that contains one key that fits all of these boxes.
>
>4)  Dispatch sends a tone out that releases the key from a holder within
>    the vehicle.  The time of this is logged. 

Your department is a bit more concerned with security than ours!  We 
have Knox box keys on all apparatus.  The key sits in a lock under
the driver's seat on EMS pieces, and on the dashboard on the heavy
rescue units.  Turning the key releases it, and turns on a high-pitched
alarm, which won't go off until the key is reinserted.  I've used them
before to get into nursing homes in the middle of the night when no one
will answer the door... sort of scary that there's no one in that part of
the building, which has patients in it, eh?

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