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From: rhogan@aludra.usc.edu (Ron Hogan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park
Date: 13 Dec 1992 00:23:30 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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jeremys@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeremy "EL HOMBRE" Scheinberg) writes:

>I'm just curious as to whether or not anyone else out there has read the book.
>I remember reading it and thinking that it would make an awesome movie.  Why 
>is the general opinion in this group that Spielberg won't do the film 
>justice?  Also, why didn't Michael Crichton direct his own book?

I also thought it would make an awesome movie, and was hoping that the
cost of dinosuar effects would put Hollywood off doing the damn thing
until I had established myself as a director and do it myself.  So much
for that idea.

My opinion on why Steven Spielberg won't do the film justice is that the
book has a definite dark, cynical bitter side, and a pretty good version
of chaos theory, all of which will probably be lost in the shiny happy
version that Spielberg is bound to make (and I base this on my experiences
with Spielberg films *and* the Jurassic Park trailer, now in theatres all
over the nation).  Though he probably can get the famous actor the book
says they got for the tape on the boat (Richard Harris?)

Crichton probably didn't get to do it because he's not a blockbuster
director-- his films are competent, but not overly spectacular, and
he would have left too much of the ideas in the film and left out the
neato dinosaurs that the studio wants.

Example against Spielberg: I like Sir Richard Attenborough.  He's a
solid director, and has done some good acting.  But I don't see him
as the eccentric old millionaire in this film.  Jack Albertson if he
was alive, maybe.  Barnard Hughes, stretching but maybe.  But it should
be an old guy with a mean streak to him, and I don't see Attenborough
as that type of role.

At least the last time I read a book and wanted to make a film out
of it, they got Alan Parker for the Commitments.

Ron Hogan
rhogan@usc.edu

(of course, I'll have to get out of film school first...)

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From: jor1@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (rich,joseph l)
Subject: Re: 9 1/2 Weeks
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:09:40 GMT
Summary: 9 1/2 Weeks

In article <1992Dec8.212635.14794@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mdriscol@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mollie M Driscol) writes:
> In article <1992Dec8.175225.18802@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> fmah@mta.ca writes:
> >    Okay, is it me?  It must be.  I haven't a clue of what this movie
> >was really about!  Do I have to understand women to get the point, or
> >what?!!  Can anyone explain this to me?  Thanks?  Will I appreciate the
> >answer?
> 
> It's just about an abusive relationship between a man and
> a woman.  It's interesting, with this in mind, how so many
> women really really like the film.  An example of how abuse
> is glamorized within our society, to the point that we don't
> see anything wrong with it.  And it goes on and on.
> 
> mollie
> mdriscol@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

I read the novel on which "9 1/2 Weeks" was
based and saw the film. I think it's about
an erotic fantasy within a woman's mind
and not meant to be taken literally. Of
course, it was written by a male
author, so it's really a male's fantasy
of a woman who has a fantasy of being
dominated sexually. What do you think?
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From: thiessen@emr1.emr.ca (Tracy Thiessen)
Subject: Re: 9 1/2 Weeks
Organization: Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:16:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.154916.18567@cs.wayne.edu> faa@athena.cs.wayne.edu (Felicitas A. Atabong) writes:
>In article <4422@cvbnetPrime.COM> csroc@dime.UUCP (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2) writes:
>>>It's simply one of the worst movies in history and it's
>>>completely beyond me what people see in it.
>>>All it says is that women actually enjoy being raped, and
>>
>>
>>RAPE??????  You mean (Carrie Otis?) was raped?
>>I don't think so.  She didn't seem to be forced
>>into anything she didn't want in this movie. At
>>least that's what I remember.  Anyone else
>>recall what was going on?
>
>Carrie Otis?? Is this a discussion about 91/2 weeks or Wild Orchid? I
>know both movies have Mickey Rourke in common,but as far as I know
>Carrie Otis was in Wild Orchid, and Kim Basinger was in 91/2 weeks.
>
>Feli.

In the heels of this particular miss-information, I will bashfully
apologize for asserting that 91/2 was based on a play about
two homosexuals.  (Checked my source, was dead wrong.) However,
the article (in En Route) stated that Mickey THOUGHT the story
could work as effectively with two men in the lead.

Mea culpa mea culpa a thousand pardons

Tracy
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Any new 007 movie coming?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 15:18:48 -0600
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 I like to know whether there are any news about
the next 007 movie. Any information is appreciated.

 Sundara.
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From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: universities
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:49:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.125155.25788@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.043438.8612@Virginia.EDU> jlj5a@Virginia.EDU (Joseph Lee Jackson) writes:
>>ARE WHITE SCHOOLS ANY BETTER THAN BLACK SCHOOLS?
>
>I don't know. I've always attended red brick ones.

And he admits it in public no less...

--
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From: sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Stelter)
Subject: Re: Watchmen
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:30:56 GMT

mmidboe@nyx.cs.du.edu (digital saint) writes:

> Also I can't see why Hollywood wouldn't jump on
>this. Comic books, when done right, have proven to be big money makers in
>the past. The Watchmen is an excellent story. Plenty of other movies have
>proven that no budget is to big. So what is stopping the Watchmen?

I would guess that a Watchmen film, if it were ever made, would be a
critical success but would fail miserably at the box office.  Color me
cynical, but I don't know if your standard movie audience could really
dig the Watchmen concept as presented in the books.  Movies based on
comic book superheroes have been doing reasonably well in recent years,
but they've all followed the typical comic book plot of good-guy 
superhero fights bad-guy supervillain: lots of flash, not too heavy on
depth.

Watchmen, however, is different -- radically so.  It turns not only the
superhero/supervillain concept, but morality in general, on its ear.
It's an exceptionally complicated story with a grim tone and a lot of
hidden meanings and messages scattered throughout.  In short, it's
everything the movie comic book genre is not, and that could easily
turn off a lot of viewers who've never read the books.  I envision
total confusion among the audience and capsule reviews such as "I didn't
like it...no good guys!" and "Not enough special effects" and "At least
'Batman' had some funny parts..."  Then there's the matter of the
obligatory Watchmen merchandising blitz... :P

It seems to me that just as the comic book industry had to mature and
evolve for a while before something like "Watchmen" could be created,
perhaps the comic book movie genre has to age for a few years before
movie audiences can accept a Watchmen movie.


                                  --Steve Stelter
                                    sjs28257@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: 9072falkk@vms.csd.mu.edu (Kathy Falk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: What is this movie?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:11:16 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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Does anyone know the name of the movie in which the line "Take me to the
Casbah" was spoken?  

Thanks in advance!

Kathy Falk
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From: ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez)
Subject: Re: Black Holes of Cinema
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:19:22 GMT
Organization: The Arts Babblative and Scribblative
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In article <1992Dec17.214043.25217@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mgrimes@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael Grimes) writes:
=>This may be a controversial or flame-baiting topic, but it relates to the 
=>"overrated" thread. Black holes are cinema are people with no talent who keep 
=>making movies!
=>
=>  Any more nominees......?

Michael Douglas -- This guy is a nop.  Replacing him would have been an
                   improvement in every picture he's made.

Michael J. Fox -- Like a car with only one gear, he can only play Michael J Fox.

Chuck Norris -- Actually has writers cut out lines so he won't have to speak.

Diane Keaton -- She was good as Annie Hall, but I'm glad the whiny bitch has
		dropped out of sight.  (oops, is she in Godfather III?)

-- 
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From: msl@cv.hp.com (Mark Laventhal )
Subject: Re: Eric Rohmer's movies
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:37:39 GMT

> 2  "Ma nuit chez maud"           "My night at Maud's"             (1969)
> 

When I tell someone that "Ma nuit chez maud" is one of my top 3 all-time
favorite movies, they either give me a completely blank look, or start
smiling and nodding vigorously.  It is to the second type only that I
then describe how on my first visit to France, I made a special detour
to Clermont-Ferrand, to visit the cathedral there, etc.

Mark Laventhal
msl@cv.hp.com
From: whan@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Millers Crossing
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:15:13 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <Dec.18.17.27.19.1992.7005@dali.rutgers.edu>, beach@dali.rutgers.edu (David Beach) writes:
>> If you have two dollars, rent it.  Not just a gangster movie.
> 
> 	I'd also like to mention Barton Fink and Blood Simple (as long as
> we're on the topic of the Coen brothers).  Barton Fink is one of my favorite
> films of all time, though it is kind of odd and probably not for everyone.
> Any comments about Barton Fink (interpretations, opinions, etc.) are
> welcome.
> 						Dave

While we're on the subject of the Coen brothers I might as well mention one of
my personal favorites, Raising Arizona.  It is definately one of the funniest
movies I have ever seen; for those who haven't seen it, rent it.

Winfield Han
WHAN@eagle.wesleyan.edu
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From: mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar)
Subject: Re: Spielberg
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:20:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.163541.24591@deeptht.armory.com> crisper@deeptht.armory.com (Crisper Than Thou) writes:
>	I think Spielberg's going to make a JURASSIC PARK that will be
>entertaining and pretty to look at, but (sadly) I don't think he's going to
>inject with even a fraction of the suspense or energy he put into JAWS. It's
>probably goig to end up a big-big-film about kids and dinosaurs, in that
>order. :)


I think Spielberg CAN do a great film with kids and dinosaurs.  As been
stated before, he CAN direct very well made suspense films like JAWS
and the INDY trilogy.  But I when I look at Empire of the Sun, I see
a successful integration of a film directed more towards a mature
audience but with a child as the main actor.   There is also a child
like awe of dinosaurs within the novel potrayed by nearly all of the
characters within the book at one time or another.  I'm looking
forward to the film as directed by Spielberg.


Mike McKellar (mgq@inel.gov)
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Not Enough Sucking on Keanu
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 07:51:37 EST

mab7g@Virginia.EDU ("midori meech baer") writes:

> the movie was a combination of bram stoker's and anne rice's
> novels, you know, interview with the vampire and the vampire
> lestat.  it was based on both of these!  and at the same time
> it was unique in a damn good way.  so chill out.
> 
> -meech


Hopkins as Van Helsing and Reeves as Harker were magnificent.  I wanted 
to see more of them!

My main problem with it was that (a) Dracula didn't put chills down my 
back and (b) it wasn't quite romantic enough, or at least there was 
ambiguitiy enough that it didn't "work" for me; and (c) I thought Winona 
Ryder was dull as Mina, at least compared to those around her.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: barrus@cod.nosc.mil
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Gene Hackman (was Most Underrated Actor/Actress)
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:32:38 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA


In article <1633@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM> lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow) writes:
>>
>>Actor- A tossup between Gene HAckman and Christopher Walken. Hackman, IMHO
>>is strong no matter what role he plays, from Lex Luthor to the Sheriff in 
>>"Unforgiven" gives a fine performance. He just never seemed to get any credit
>>in his films after "French Connection." He also had an amazing performance
>>in "Class Action" (a film I thought worthy of Oscar attention, but was
>>snubbed) I think most people will agree he is often overlooked in many of
>>his performances and even though he does a fine job, may become nothing
>>more than a "glorified character actor" in the views of filmgoers
>
>I don't think I'd refer to Gene Hackman as underrated, but possibly
>underutilized.  I rarely see a critical reference to Hackman where he's
>NOT referred to as one of the finest actors alive.  And he's been nominated
>for several additional Oscars since he won for the French Connection. (He
>also won Best Actor at Cannes for The Conversation).  I do think he has
>an unfortunate habit, whether by choice or by happenstance, of ending up
>in mediocre and even bad movies.  With the exception of Mississippi Burning, 
>Hoosiers, Class Action, and Unforgiven, he hasn't made a noteworthy film
>in at least 5 years.  (Jog my memory if I've left something out).  I also
>think he's become a bit typecast and I'd love to see him do something a 
>little more risky, such as a romantic role or some type of psychologically
>twisted type (such as in The Conversation).  Hackman's one of my all-time
>favorites, maybe The favorite -- I go to all his movies even when I know
>they're going to be bad.  

I agree.  I think Gene Hackman has been exceptional in just about everything he does.
If you would like to see him in a different role, rent "Full Moon over Blue Water".  
This is a small independant film by Texas filmmaker Peter Masterson (Trip to Bountiful, 
The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas).  This film also takes place in Texas, supposedly in
Kemah, on Galveston Bay.  He plays a man struggling over the death of his wife with a sort
of love interest with Teri Garr.  I think this is a wonderful little film that deserved
more attention than it got.  Hackman's role is definately different than his usual, playing
the sensitive type.  And, as usual, he is very good.

JDB
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Batman Sequels
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:17:40 GMT

firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith) writes:



>Anyone have any definite information about where there will be Batmans III
>and IV, who will direct, who the villains will be, etc?

Definite info?  Hell no, but as far as rumours go, Keaton signed a 3 picture
deal, Robin Williams is supposed to be the Riddler, and there will most
likely been speculation as to whether they will ever introduce Dick
Grayson's Robin in the films, and popular magazines will run stupid 
all photo articles speculating on who will play Robin (as well as whether
he will be a little kid, or high schooler) and the list will most likely 
include MacCauley Culkin *someplace*, but I can't see Burton working with him.

My bet is on Riddler in the next one.  As for Robin, if they do introduce
him, I'd like it if he were older, not a munchkin, and it'd be nice if they
can stick to teh "Flying Graysons" origin if they do Dick, and not monkey
around with canon too much.  If they do do it, chances are Dick will wear
Tim Drake, the current Robin's, costume, as it is more practical (no shorts or
bright yellow satin cape.) and is already being used in the animated series,
and looks liek a Bob Ringwood thing already.....


Can you tell I read comics?

Personally, I want Selina back.....  But it won't happen.  But a girl can 
still dream...

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From: bme2e@Virginia.EDU ("Brian Eley")
Subject: let's start a personals column!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:45:54 GMT

hello everyone! since this is my first time (oohhhhh!) using
pcnews, i thought it might be a good idea to start some
discussion. being a single male, perhaps therewould be some
people out there who might want to start a personals column,
since dating sucks around. and to be multicultural, let's
include everyone! anyway, write if you are interested

format --  subject: WANTED ....

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From: will@orac.holonet.net (Will Murray)
Subject: Re: REVIEW: ALADDIN
Keywords: author=Maloney
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:46:27 GMT

sheehan@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Brian Sheehan) writes:

>Sorry but I think most people who simply enjoy a enternainment will
>disagree (including myself).  The whole point of ALADDIN in my mind
>was to make a very enternaining story about Aladdin and a magic lamp....
>The dissection of your review in my mind isn't warrented, as the film is
>a celebration of humour, animation, and that Disney special ingerdient -
>"a Special Movie"  - Just look, laugh and enjoy.

I agree with you.  Aladdin is a terrific movie.  While there are a few
lacks to it, it is still a wonderfully enjoyable movie.  

I agree that there were not as many memorable songs in it as in Mermaid or
Beauty, the songs were, nonetheless beautiful.  :)

I also thought that the quality of illustration was wonderful.  I loved
all of the things they threw in from other Disney movies.  

I would have to say that this was one of the most ligthearted Disney
animated features in a long time, while still maintaining a terrific
villian and great heros.

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From: ps70awg@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (mel rupinski)
Subject: Re: MST_3K
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:42:05 GMT
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In article <1992Dec11.211344.5807@infonode.ingr.com> dianne@dianne.b24a.ingr.com (Dianne Ferrans) writes:
>
>Forgive my obvious ignorance, but just what IS this?
>
>What does MST 3K stand for? I've seen it a couple of times here.

Mystery Science Theater 3000
One of the best television shows on the air today. . .8^)

>
>Thanks!
>
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No problem,

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From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:56:01 GMT
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bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:

>While I was glad I read it (curiosity, and being able to discuss it) yes, 
>it was a pretty poor novel.

>Agreed, the whole time I was thinking: "Wow what a badly written book, but
>it could sure make a hell of an enjoyable movie!"

That's normal. I mean, the science-fiction novels that supply the best
ideas are usually the poorest style. Look at Clarke's or Asimov's. The
visionaries of the future simply can't write, because they're too much
out of this world to deal with issues like suspense or passion, or giv-
ing the worlds they describe atmosphere. Those who do are usually poor
on the science side again.


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