From: jasper@vax.path.ox.ac.uk
Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks
Subject: RE: Tektronics emulation and multiple login session on PATHWORKS?
Date: 30 Dec 92 11:30:42 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Molecular Biology Data Centre
Nntp-Posting-User: jasper

In article <1992Dec30.045852.8656@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, backstrom@ranger.enet.dec.com (ranger::backstrom) writes:
>>                      jcao@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Jingbin Cao)
>>         Tektronics emulation and multiple login session on pathworks?
>>
>>Since our computer center chose to use pathworks, I have missed the
>>two features on the subject line dearly. And everybody here seems to
>>hate it. NCSA Telnet appears to be a much superior product. In any
>>case, is it possible to do tektronics emulation and multiple login
>>session on pathworks? Thanks in advance for any tips.
> 
>     Care to elaborate on the "hate thing"? ;-) 

Can we all play ?  :)

>     We appreciate any and all
>     input that can help us improve our products.

Seriously, if you are interested in what we would like to see added, and there
is a chance that it will show up in Pathworks (PC and Mac versions) in the 
foreseeable future, then I'm happy to add my 2c's worth, as I am sure are 
other people in the group.

>     The PATHWORKS terminal emulators don't do Tektronics emulation

Short answer - they should. 

However, at least for Mac, NCSA telnet is pretty cranky (yes it is the current 
version) for the Tektronics emulation. But then its free too, so you can have 
both, they are not mutually exclusive. I haven't looked at a PC version, maybe 
it's better?
     
>     Most (if not all) commercially available terminal emulators that have
>     Tektronics support do support all the PATHWORKS transports.

Hint:  why not either write one, or cross licence one into Pathworks. I 
thought that DEC and Apple had decided to do business together so this really 
shouldn't be too hard to achieve? There are a variety of very good ones 
around, and I would have throught it wouldn't be too hard to get a deal with 
someone.

MacTerminal is so old that you shouldn't even *think* about distributing it
(and it is a really poor performer too). I won't even install it, so the cross
license fee, that you presumable pay for it, is totally wasted. 

>     
>     Though, I'm not sure of the Tektronics capabilities of the DECwindows/
>     Motif terminal emulator (DECterm), you might be able to use it with
>     PC DECwindows Motif, or eXcursion for Windows, as an alternative.

No. Not unless you run Xterm on top.

Or have X drivers in your graphics package too so that you don't need the 
tektronics output. 

In any case, MacX at least is sooo slooooow that it isn't usable. But I'll
keep my diatribe on this issue until after the New Year when 1). my grant
renewal is written, 2). I've finished examining this DPhil thesis that is on
my desk, and 3). I've tested one more set of options to try to make it useful.
Then every one else will be back too and we can all join in with 'customer
feedback' ! 

But don't get me wrong, I am satified with PW (for Mac) as it stands for lots 
of things, it's just that there are still areas where it isn't right. Terminal 
emulation is the most obvious of these. Maybe if other people have thoughts 
too then you'll have a wish list.

Of course, if we have an idea of what is coming for future versions.... :)

>     ...petri (petri.backstrom@ljo.mts.dec.com)
>        Personal Computing Integration Engineering
>        Digital Equipment Corporation

regards,    jasper


Jasper Rees
Oxford University Molecular Biology Data Centre

jasper@vax.path.ox.ac.uk