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From: davidd@hobbes.swdc.stratus.com (David Deisley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Warriors drafting
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:49:09 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <1992Nov20.074434.28382@leland.Stanford.EDU> terry@leland.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
>In article <BxzC51.n1z@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>|> bonvicin@vxcrna.cern.ch writes:
>|> 
>|> >Why, if GS had Mutombo and Kemp instead of Owens and Lister, GS would
>|> >win 5 years running. A team with these people, plus Elie, minus one of
>|> >the three big people, would have the best starting five and the best
>|> >bench.
>|> 	
>|> 	Well, I could see where GS could have had Mutombo instead of
>|> 	Owens (drafting him over Billy), but how do U figure Kemp instead
>|> 	of Lister?  Kemp was a BIG gamble in the draft, and obviously, it
>|> 	has payed off for Seattle.  But it wasn't all that clear cut at
>|> 	the time.  
>|> 	
>|> 	Jazzy J
>
>That's right.  Hindsight is 20-20 (or as Bush said in the 2nd debate, 90-90).
>
>According to Nelson, the Warriors never had a chance to get Mutombo.
>They were considering trading Richmond and either two draft picks (according
>to Nelson) or one draft pick (according to the Kings) to Sacramento for
>their No. 3 pick. (These picks became Chris Gatling and Victor Alexander).
>New Jersey had the No. 2 pick and Denver the No. 4 pick.
>New Jersey ended up picking Kenny Anderson and Denver picked Mutombo.
>However, if the Warriors had made the trade, New Jersey and Denver had an
>agreement that New Jersey would then pick Mutombo and Denver would pick
>Anderson.  Later, Denver would swap picks and throw in something extra
>for New Jersey's trouble.  Because the fix was in the works, Nelson 
>decided against the trade at the time.  

Where did this "fix" stuff come from?  This is all new.  Is this
speculation on Nelson's part?  How does he know about secret deals?
Nelson has taken so much flak over his inability to get a big man,
that he's really dreaming up some far-out excuses.

>were out of reach.  Nelson seriously considered using the No. 17 pick
>on Vlade Divac.  Eventually, he decided against this for two major reasons.
>One, Divac was under a 4 year military commitment at the time, and the
>Warriors were uncertain Divac could escape this commitment.  Two, they
>had just acquired Marciulionis and Nelson was already concerned about the
>language problems this would create.  He didn't want to acquire two
>non-English speakers at the same time.

Face it:  Nelson, like many coaches, blew it by not drafting Divac.
Stop making excuses.

			David Deisley

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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Blazers are team to beat in west - so far
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:24:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov16.214325.3032@sequent.com>
jds@sequent.com (Jerry Simmering) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.064937.14707@berlioz.nsc.com>
>werstln@berlioz.nsc.com (Michael Werstlein) writes:
>>And Terry Porter was on fire tonight.  He scored 40 points, including
>>25 in the fourth quarter.  He was also 7-7 on three pointers!
>  Lest we overlook the significance of this.......
>  This broke a 5 or 6 year old? record of 6-6 3 pt shooting previously held by
>Person now of the T-wolfs.


I have a very vague childhood memory of reading some childrens' book
on Basketball, and, in a chapter listing some Hall of Fame players,
they mentioned someone one of whose accomplishments was hitting
something like 15 in a row from beyond 25 feet without a backboard.

Can anybody tell me who this was, or if this is just an old man's
memory playing games with him?  Can anyone at least tell me in what
league this feat could have been performed, if they had a 25-foot
three and no backboard (?!) ?  (No backboard?  That seems kinda
weird.  Could it have been a rule that you can't bank a three?)

Tony
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From: rstewart@megatek.com (Rich Stewart)
Subject: PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS WILL GO 82-0 AND LOOSE THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP
Reply-To: rstewart@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:03:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.000904.9009@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>
>
>NUF SAID.


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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Some serious Trivia
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:06:22 GMT

Hoop Addicts...I need a few trivia questions answered, and hopefully you
guys can help me.

1) What's Magic Johnson's full name? (does he have a middle name?)
2) What's Cookie Johnson's real name?
3) What broadcast trio did the '79 NCAA Finals, Michigan State vs. Indiana
   State (Larry vs. Magic for the first and last time in college)?
4) Name the entire rosters of both the Michigan State and Indiana State
   Finals team ('79)
5) What's the nickname for DePaul?

Thanks in advance.
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Knicks: What happened??
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:05:07 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

Last year Pat Riley took over as the coach for a team of mostly underachievers.
He stated he wanted to use his first year to see what he can do with the team.
In the process, teh Knicks tied for first in the Atlantic and gave Chicago
convulsions through the playoffs.  This year was supposed to be the one where
they win one.  SO what happened???  All the underachieving ex-Kicks who left
or were traded are looking great: Gerald Wilkins is burning up Cleveland,
Mark Jackson is doing great at L.A. and X-man is making the highlight films
at Boston.  Meanwhile, the great load of talent that Riley has assembled are
doing diddly-squat on offense.  What's wrong with this picture??


satish nair
an impatient fan


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From: tamada@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael K. Tamada)
Subject: Re: San antonio
Keywords: Warriors 
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:28:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.003458.9449@muddcs.claremont.edu> byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau) writes:

>anyone want to share with us why san antonio is getting off to such an awful 
>start?  Vinnie can't be that much of a team leader. 

     Pretty simple.  Take away Willie Anderson and Terry Cummings, plus
losing Rod Strickland, and you've got a pretty thin team, Admiral or
no.  How many teams could lose their starting power forward, shooting
guard, and point guard and remain competitive?  Especially when they were 
merely a good team last year, not a powerhouse team. 
     Suppose the Bulls had a season-ending injury to Horace Grant, a
months-long loss of Michael Jordan due to a hairline fracture, and lost
Jim Paxson to free agency -- how many games would they win?  
     Okay that's not really a fair comparison.  But Cummings was arguably
the second-best player on the Spurs, and Anderson probably the 4th best
(behind Elliot and Robinson).  Strickland is hard to call, but he was
their point guard.  No team can lose its 2d and 4th best players and point
guard without suffering a reduction in wins.
     Despite all this this Spurs have a good chance of finishing second
in the Midwest Division, but that's simply because their only competition
is Houston and Denver.  
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From: cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Racism? (Re: Shaq should have been on the Olympic Team...)
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:27:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <By1CFv.MFy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>glosson@mdtf12.fnal.gov (Rich Glosson) writes:
>>Again, there is a double standard!  If a white person made the same comment
>>about a black person, it would/should be labeled a racist statement.  The
>>fact that his statement might be right doesn't justify it any more than a
>>white saying that black people can't play tennis.
>		   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	Um... Arthur Ashe?  Yannick Noah?  Malavia Washington?
>
>	Jazzy J

Okay.  So black people can't play golf.  Or Polo.

Oh, and:  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)  :^)

No flames, please.  Just kidding.

Oh, BTW, in an installment of Chris Rock's SNL feature, "The Dark
Side with Nat X," Rock listed "The Top 5 reasons black people don't
play hockey."  (Why 5?  Because "the man" would never allow a
brother 10.)

I don't remember all 5, but among them were, "Don't feel need to
dominate yet another sport" and "Don't want to be around a bunch of
white guys with sticks."  Anybody remember the other three?


Tony
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From: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Subject: Re: Who is Tom Gugliotta (Bullets)
Originator: jagreath@c00100-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:10:27 GMT


In article <jgould-171192143140@macd316.mv.us.adobe.com>, jgould@adobe.com (Jim Gould) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.195035.21327@news.cs.brandeis.edu>,
>parks@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Camden `Snake-Oil' Parks) wrote:
>> 
>> was 104, njn 111   15nov92
>> 
>>was ( 1- 5)      min  fgm fga 3m 3a ftm fta or tr  as pf st to bk tc ej ff  pts
>>gugliotta,tom     42   9  12   1  1   1  2   4 15   3  4  2  6  2  0  0  0   20

>Howdy,

 >Where did this guy come from? How many years in the league? What position?

Tom Gugliotta (Affectionately known as Gugs :) ) is a rookie out of North
Carolina State University.  He is a 6-9 Forward with a nice touch from the
outside.  I certainly will miss his presence on the NCSU team this year. *sigh*

>Thanx Jim

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From: nina@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Shenina Louise Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Bulls tickets
Date: 19 Nov 1992 16:47:10 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Originator: nina@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

        Could someone please help me get tickets to the next Bulls
game that's here in Milwaukee.  Also, I would like to know how I 
could get tickets to the next Bulls homegame and a schedule for their
upcoming games.  Please email me the info....I may have missed earlier
postings......Thanx!

--Nina

 
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From: byau@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ben Yau)
Subject: Re: John Starks
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:45:38 GMT

In article <1ejcrqINN7sf@network.ucsd.edu> rand@muttley.ucsd.edu (Rand Steiger) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.134538.25175@rtsg.mot.com> swenson.rtsg.mot.com (R. Scott Swenson) writes:
>>What happened to Starks in the Clippers game?  He only played 10 minutes.
>
>According to the Clippers broadcaster, Starks was benched in the second half
>due to "coaches decision".

it probably had to do with the fact that Starks didnot behave "accordingly"

Jackson was doing so much trash talking (I LOVED IT) and physical play, they
were basically mugging the knicks.  Jackson was really bullying around Anthony 
and he often ran by the Knicks bench taunting them

Starks then threw water on Jackson which caused a stop in play.
from that point on i didn't see starks in the game.
From: halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Who are the worst players in nba?
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:38:08 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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In article <Bxzo62.n50@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dvasilef@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David Vasileff) writes:
> ... Something very interesting to note is that
> the Lakers will be able to sign a free agent for around $3.5 million even
> though they are way over the cap because of Magic's renewed deal.  Without
> restructuring the deal, they would only have had $1.5 million.


	No, No, NO!!! Magic's contract extension does not effect the size of the
salary cap exception the Lakers receive due to his retirement. Magic's original
contract ("Base year compensation" is the term the NBA uses, I beleive) is what
determines the the size of the exception. In Magic's specific case, the exception
is $1.25 million. And I beleive they already used it to sign James Edwards.

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From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Random thoughts
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:33:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: ora.Bxt9o1.Mp3
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.

Sacramento wins again!  This time over Cleveland.  Are they a surprise
team so far or what?  Currently ahead of Lakers, Clippers, and Golden State -
right smack in the middle of the NBA pack.  Mitch Richmond, Walt
Williams, Tisdale, L-Train Simmons.  Who is their J. Williams? (not John,
John Fatso, Jayson,..)

The Bulls are 5-1, but how many of those 5 wins were squeakers?

How good are the Knicks?  They sure didn't show much against Boston.  I
thought they were going to blow the Celtics out.  Hubert Davis is a hot
little player, and is getting minutes with Blackman out.  Big Anthony
Mason has developed a shot over the summer - a bench of Mason, Charles
Smith, Davis and Anthony ain't too shabby.

The Wolves traded forwards Gerald Glass and Mark Randall to the Pistons
for center Brad Sellers and guard Lance Blanks.  What do the Timbers
want with another center?  They don't like the Spencer/Longley platoon?
Are they planning to move one of them? I kind of liked what I saw of
Longley this year.

And last (and unfortunately least), my view from the new parquet of the
Boston Garden...  In case anyone hasn't noticed, Boston is 2-4, and
looking pretty abysmal.  This squad will go as far as Parish,
McHale and Lewis take them.  Parish & McHale look liked they've already
retired, and Reggie has been pretty inconsistent.  Are they finally
lottery bound? Bright spots (few) have the been the play of point
Sherman Douglas and backup center Big Joe Kleine.  Kenny Battle and
Marcus Webb ended their 5-day IR stints, but I haven't heard what's
going on with them next.  From my vantage point, the team could use the
pair of them right now. McHale may wake up one day soon and call it
quits if he doesn't get going.  He's not getting any jump from his
ankle - the one he's had trouble with for the past 5 years or so.

Reports also say that Dino Radja could be in a Celts jersey next year,
particularly if Parish or McHale retire.  He supposedly would've joined
them this year, but by the Bird announced his retirement just two weeks
after Radja had already resigned in Italy. How old is this kid now?
Questions remain, as always, about the Europeans' ability to adjust to
the NBA game and schedule, but Gavitt took a long look at Radja in
Barcelona, both in games and practices, and liked what he saw.  He'd be
cheaper than signing an NBA draft pick, that's for sure.
-- 
        Ellie Cutler

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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: A.J. English
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:45:49
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu's message of Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:21:28 GMT

>>>>> "Sean" == Sean  <icsu0182@cs.montana.edu> writes:

  Sean> In article <1992Nov16.152901.1474@ncsu.edu> bcperry@eos.ncsu.edu (BRENT COLE PERRY) writes:
>
>A.J. English is one of my favorite players, but I haven't heard much about him
>this year.  Is he hurt?  Did the Bullets let him go?  Is he in Europe?
>
>Thanks for any info,
>--Brent

  Sean> A.J. English, upon retiring, got kicked upstairs to the management end of the 
  Sean> Denver Nuggets.  He is working in the front office, and has been since the 
  Sean> beginning of the season...

  Sean> Anyone else!!!?

Try Alex English.  A. J. English was a second year shooting guard for the
Bullets who bolted for Europe and more money this season.

Watch out folks, this could become another net.legend .


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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Forwards in the East II
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:47:30 GMT

In article <By6wAM.MKH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Hmm... just wondering, but how many years did Bird actually lead
>	the C's in assists?  I know that for a couple of years when they
>	had Gerald Henderson and DJ, that those guys may in fact have had
>	more assists than Larry Legend.  Answers Dave?

Well, Bird usually had around 550 apg, I remember one of DJ's better seasons
was around 590 or so, purely numerically.  Ainge would also get around 400
which explains why the C's were such a good passing team.  Everyone could
do it.  I'm sure recently, up to Bird's retirement though that he was by far
the best assist man on a per minute basis (given how much he was injured).

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From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Subject: Tom Gugliotta (was Where did the Shaq blasters go?)
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:53:34 GMT

In article <BxxEGK.y4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Here's one for U, Dave.  After a Bullets game, I remember an interview
>	w/ a player from the opposing team that nite (can't remember who),
>	and he said that Gugliotta reminded him of a "young Larry Bird".
>	Any comments?

This came from Pat Ewing.

>	My personal opinion is that this is a bit far fetched.  My greates
>	memories of Larry Bird is of him being a dead-eye long range shooter.
>	Gugliotta doesn't have nearly that skill (although he ain't bad).

Well, Gugs nailed a late-game dagger just a few inches in front of the
3-point line the other night against Boston.  Looks like a fine (and
fearless) long distance shooter to me.
-- 
        Ellie Cutler

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Pippen Overrated? (was Suns Report: Phoenix dominates Jazz)
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:05:33 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Nov23.200029.48890@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.142111.18647@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:

**Andrew says Dominique is a black hole, Dave says he is better than Andy
thinks and compares favorably to Pippen*** Deleted.

I watched the Hawks play for a bit in a game last week and saw a classic
example of what both of you are talking about. Nique had the ball 20 feet
from the hoop, the backscreened for Keefe who rolled to the bucket wide
open for the lob. Nique took a quick look but held onto the ball. Keefe 
ran through the key and out, and Nique made a hard drive into the paint,
did his patented walk move(his version of a jump stop) and threw up a wilde
shot, drawing the foul. As he was standing at the key, Keefe walked up to him
and said "Nique, I was wide open for the lob", and Nique responded, "sorry
man, didnt see you".

It was blatantly obvious that it was a set play, and Nique looked, so he
either saw Keefe, or is blind. Keefe of course played for Stanford where
he was the man on a team that stressed teamwork and passing, so playing
with Nique is a real culture shock for him.

The Hawks will never win anything with Nique as their star.





Russ Smith
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From: dward@ducvax.auburn.edu (Dawn Ward     )
Subject: Bulls Schedule
Keywords: BULLS, NBA
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:28:11 GMT

I was wondering if anyone out there had the '92-'93 Bulls schedule, I just
started reading and didn't notice one posted.	

Please post it if you have one.		

Thanks, Dawn :)
From: spl2@po.cwru.edu (Sam Lubchansky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: PF vs SF vsSG
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:20:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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Keywords: SF, PF, SG

In article <1992Nov20.191123.8945@wuecl.wustl.edu> wsl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Wing Suen Lee) writes:
>From: wsl1@cec1.wustl.edu (Wing Suen Lee)
>Subject: PF vs SF vsSG
>Keywords: SF, PF, SG
>Date: 20 Nov 92 19:11:23 GMT
>
>	What are SF, PF, and SG?  What are their functions?
>
>		Thank you !!!!!!!!

SF - Small forward - usually at the height between a large forward and a 
guard (hence the name) - generally hangs around on the perimeter and shoots 
long distance shots

PF - Power forward - generally quite large (in both stature and build) - 
tries to get rebounds - posts up - acts physically - gets into fights :)

SG - Shooting guard - the guard who is not the point guard - does not run 
offense (PG's job) - takes shots on perimeter and drives often - usually 
people become a SG when they are too small to be a forward (although there 
are some exceptions)

I hope this helps..............GO KNICKS 78-4!!!!!!!!!


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