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From: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (William Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Pick on Deana Day!
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:53:32 GMT
Reply-To: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26753

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DR> and canes and the best thing that ever happened was marrying a
 DR> sighted person and owning a car so I don't have to be bothered
 DR> with the whole thing.

Deana,
    First of all, let me make very clear that I'm just in one of those
"play the devil's advocate" moods, and what I'm going to say is just to
get it in before Mike Freeman does! <grin>

     Are you serious?  The best thing you ever did was give up a good
portion of your independance by marrying a sighted person and relying
upon them for all your mobility chores?  Is there no longer any pride
left in Blinkdom?

     The easiest route is not always the best path to follow, at least
not for the long haul, and although of course vision or lack of vision
should have nothing to do with the mate selection process, isn't it
self-endangering to use a sighted partner for all those tasks we can
master as a blind person with a little effort?  What kind of an image of
blindness does this portray to the public and our children, and what
does it say about blind people in general?

     Personally, I want to make enough money so I can hire a chauffer, a
cook, and a maid, all sighted of course, but at least then I can
maintain my pride!  Of course, I ain't really the marrying type, so I
guess this isn't really an issue for me, is it?
                                        Willie

... BlinkTalk - Voice of the disorganized blind@

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From: patth@panix.com (Patt Bromberger)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: join EYENETT
Summary: Why?
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:33:01 GMT
Reply-To: patth@panix.com (Patt Bromberger)
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26721

In article <26269@handicap.news> Mitch.Green@f202.n285.z1.fidonet.org writes:
|Index Number: 26269
|
|For those of you who want to join EYENETT this message will be of
|interrest.
|
|verbalEYES Corporation
|1115 Happyhollow Drive
|Plattsmouth, NE 68508
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|
|     We here at verbalEYES would like to thank you for showing an
|interest in EYENETT.  EYENETT is a service that is designed to
|enhance the daily lives of visually impaired persons.  Enclosed is
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|and see if it is something you or a friend might find useful.
|
|If you think this service will be useful to you please fill out
|this application and send a check or money order (NO CASH) for
|$13.90 to the address at the top of this page.
|
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Did I miss something here?  For example, where is the "article
explaining this service" and why should I send you $13.90 when you are
asking me to answer all those questions - what's the catch?

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From: MFDLB%ECNUXA.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: New Discussion List
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:53:39 GMT
Reply-To: MFDLB%ECNUXA.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 28660

[Note from Bill McGarry - forwarded from the Speech Disorders
mailing list (COMMDIS)]

There is a new discussion list for Audiologists and
those interested hearing or audiology issues. The list
is open to all who wish to subscribe and is unmoderated.

To subscribe send "Subscribe AUDIOL-L {your name}" to:

LISTSERV@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Internet)  or

LISTSERV@ecnuxa.bitnet (BITNET)
From: js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Infantile spasms (Eliana & Jan Silbermann)
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:46:26 GMT
Reply-To: js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26869

I am posting this for my wife Janice Silbermann,
who is looking after our daughter in the hospital.

She has been corresponding in misc.kids for some time
about our daughter Eliana and her crying spells.
Also, our daughter is six month old and does not sit up
or use her hands.  We started reading in the home
medical guides and became concerned because she
seemed to fit the pattern for cerebral palsy.

I just got back from the pediatrician.
Our daughter is suffering from INFANTILE SPASMS (a kind of seizure)
and this is somehow delaying her development.

After the EEG they checked the baby into the hospital
for further neurological tests.  I think they said
these may take a week!

Right now we are terrified, wondering whether Eliana
may be crippled for life (and if so, how severely).
We would appreciate any information about this condition
and its prognosis.

	Frank and Jan Silberman
		js@cs.tulane.edu
From: Marvin.Rush@f10.n3817.z1.fidonet.org (Marvin Rush)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: radio information,
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:54:45 GMT
Reply-To: Marvin.Rush@f10.n3817.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3817/10 - InSight BBS, Leesville La
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26762

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

* In a message originally to Danny Griffin , Ray Rokita said:
 > hello danny,
 > i need some info on the alingo  allinko radio d g 580  i got
 > a price today from ham radio outlet.
 > want to talk to you about it.

Hi I don't know what your sight is. But I use a alinco 570 duel
bander. It beeps once every meg and 2 times every 500 kc's. I don't
know what you are looking for but I also use a yasue 570 duel band
ht. c u l 73's De N5hhe

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From: Jeff.Dubois@p666.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Dubois)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Mobility
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:32:23 GMT
Reply-To: Jeff.Dubois@p666.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:163/266.666 - Vision, Ottawa ON
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26807

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 > Dogs are Not for everyone, that is certain.
 > I found that when I started using my dog, people held longer,
 > and more normal conversations with me.
 > They did not tend to interphere with me while I was waiting
 > at a street corner

I have found that a cane intimidates people more than a dog.
I tend to be a pretty gregarious young man, and frankly, in a university
setting, social interaction greatly improved after getting the dog,
especially when such interaction involved members of the opposite
sex!
Of course, there is a downside.
No one ever tried petting my cane!

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From: John.Hargrove@f68.n382.z1.fidonet.org (John Hargrove)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: New Amputee - New status
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:20:19 GMT
Reply-To: John.Hargrove@f68.n382.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:382/68 - Diabetes Discussion, Austin TX
X-Fidonet: Amputee Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26830

[This is from the Amputee Conference]

In a message to Walt Mateja <12-04-92 17:52> Bill Scrivner wrote:

BS> Had an appointment with the prosthestist yesterday (thursday). He
BS> took a
BS> cast of my stump and promised me a new leg by the middle of next
BS> week.
BS> He seems to think that I might even be able to walk a few steps
BS> totally
BS> unassisted by Christmas. Wouldn't that be a KICK!! I certainly aim to
BS> do
BS> my best toward that goal.

Hey...that's GREAT.  I know when I got my first one I was a bet
surprise at how fast the turn around was.  Cast was on a Monday and
I had it by Friday of the same week.  Had to take it a bit easy
when first walking.  Had to let my sitches heal up a bit more.
Maybe two weeks longer.  But I was on my own a month after I got
the leg.  Course that was just me.  Each one of us is different.

John

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From: Eric.Averink@f119.n244.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Averink)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: PC or Mac -- What do I buy?
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:52:33 GMT
Reply-To: Eric.Averink@f119.n244.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:244/119 - Gatehouse, Hamilton ON
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26744

*** Quoting Jon Radue to All dated 11-05-92 ***
> From: jradue@SANDCASTLE.COSC.BROCKU.CA (Jon Radue)
>
> Index Number: 25429
>
> A very good friend of mine, with advanced MS, has recently decided
> to 'go with technology' and purchase a computer. But what does he
> purchase? He has trouble using his fingers and would like voice
> input to help with his job as treasurer of the local MS Society,
> and to type letters (Dragon Dictate appears to be too expensive).
> He also does not know how the disease will progress so he needs a
> computer that can readily be adapted for his next requirement
> (maybe controlling some of his environment, or turning book pages,
> etc.). My problem is that I am a Mac fanatic, using Macs for all my
> teaching and research, but I believe that there is greater
> selection of hardware and software for the PC.
>
> Can anyone out there help me decide?
>
> Jon Radue
>

Hello.....  I can relate....  Last year I was in the same
situation, and I went with the PC....  There are many software and
hardware packages available for the PC...  Much more so, I think,
than the Mac....  I also looked into Dragon Dictate....  The price,
as with all equipment for the disabled, is unbelievable....
Strangely enough, I attend school part time across the street from
Brock, at NPCC.....  Will say more later...

Eric

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From: Alan.Hess@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Alan Hess)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Synex
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:22:02 GMT
Reply-To: Alan.Hess@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:261/1000 - Nerve Center, Pikesville MD
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26844

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

In a missive of <Dec 06 17:45> Joe Chamberlain (1:150/175.1)
writes to Alan Hess:

 JC>      Never heard of it, unless it is of the GM-1 family.  The

But GM-1 is approved for test usage in this country, isn't it?  I
heard that Sydex wasn't approved for anything here.  *adh*

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From: Jeff.Dubois@p666.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org (Jeff Dubois)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Pick on Deana Day!
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:15:57 GMT
Reply-To: Jeff.Dubois@p666.f266.n163.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:163/266.666 - Vision, Ottawa ON
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26790

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 >      Personally, I want to make enough money so I can hire
 > a chauffer, a cook, and a maid,
I wanna be an armadillo on a dusty Texas road.

 >      Are you serious?  The best thing you ever did was
 > give up a good
 > portion of your independance by marrying a sighted person
Jeez, I dunno about that one Willie.  I married a sighted person,
and didn't lose my independence until I lost my eyesight.  And then
surprisingly, hey what a coincidence, the marriage didn't work after
that.  I sure as hell did get a lot more independent though.

 > Is there no longer any pride
 > left in Blinkdom?
Tons and tons.
I'm happy with the way my 32 year old pudgy beer belly hangs over
my bermuda shorts in the summer.

In all seriousness, I don't think a sighted partner with transportation
causes one to loose their independence.  It's more a matter of
commpelling convenience.

 > vision or lack of vision
 > should have nothing to do with the mate selection process

I agree with you on this one.  I think what's really important for
me is a woman with really large, er, um, personality.
There are some advantages when your partner has a vehicle, such as
getting those 50 pound bags of Purina for your pooch, but of course,
sans traffic, there's always Blue Line Taxi.
I don't think independence is affected, unless of course the individual
never possessed independence skills to begin with.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

For those who view life as a swirling eddy of despair in an ever
blackening universe, and don't share my optimism, perhaps independence
isn't an issue at all.  And maybe, just maybe, for these individuals
independence shouldn't be an issue.

The way I figure it, is that those pushing independence, be they groups
or organizations, are themselves quite autonomous.  While I consider
myself extremely independent, perhaps to the point of a devil may
care attitude, I also realize that my particular mode of adaptation
may not be condusive to all blinks.

 > What kind of an image of
 > blindness does this portray to the public and our children,
 > and what
 > does it say about blind people in general?
 >
Does it really matter if the individual themself is happy?
Let's not forget the individuals wishes, first and foremost.
Now I'm playing devil's advocate with you as well Willie, and I'm
going as far to the opposite side as possible.  I think the reality
is, however, somewhere in between.

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From: Walter.Siren@p42.f17.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: jaws with a votalker
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:15:15 GMT
Reply-To: Walter.Siren@p42.f17.n396.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/17.42 - N. O. P. C. Club, New Orleans LA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26784

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DR> I never had any problems with Jaws and the Votalker, of course I always
 DR> keep it in word mode

In that case, you will not have the same problem.

 DR>Votalker is ancient, but I resist change. My next speech
 DR> box will be a Sounding board but I dread the change because the alt key
 DR> will not silence it like it will the votalker.

Well, you might consider the accent.  The alt key silences it
immediately, and the accent also supports indexing, which will put
you back on the same line the speech quit talking.

Walter

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From: T.Pennick@axion.bt.co.uk (Tim Pennick)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Info wanted on OCR Experiences
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:32:02 GMT
Reply-To: T.Pennick@axion.bt.co.uk (Tim Pennick)
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26714

I just had a demo of the new Arkenstone product "An Open Book".  I
was really very impressed with this product, and it handled lots of
things better than my aging Kurzweil.  However, I was horrified to
learn that there is no continuous scan and speak mode, i.e. you
can't have the scanner running while you are listening to the
output of the speech synth.  I found this vey difficult to believe,
as it seemed to almost completely torpedo all the other advantages
offered by the product.

To explain further in case my ramblings so far aren't very clear:
With the Kurzweil, I can decide to read a document, locate the
pages I want to read (by means of an Optacon), place the first
sheet on the scanner, press the button and wait for it to start
speaking.

Assuming the print quality is reasonable, I can continue to feed
pages into the scanner while the synth reads to me, and with good
print, I can read uninterrupted at about 300 words per min.

Using the Arkenstone product, it seeems that you either scan all
the pages you want to read before you start to listen to them
(using the batch modes) or use "quick-speech" to access the info as
quickly as possible.  If you do the latter, you have to wait until
you have finished listening to the page before you can start to
scan the next one.

As far as I can see, this means that a Kurzweil must always be
faster if you are aiming for immediate speech since you can be
listening to one page while you scan the next.

Please someone, tell me I'm wrong, or that there is another way of
using the systme which will get round the problem?  I find this
really annoying, because as far as I can tell from a short demo,
the system is in most other cases just what I'm after, and at a
very reasonable price.  The user interface is excellent, the speech
is good, the system is compact, the portability of files produced
on the floppy drive of the machine is fantastic ... what more can
Isay?

Tim Pennick
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From: Jim.Danley@f20.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Danley)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: dogs and leting go
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:15:50 GMT
Reply-To: Jim.Danley@f20.n233.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:233/20 - Lucid Dream, Urbana IL
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26789

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

DR > Carol is right.  Canes are stupid.  A cane can't think.

and sometimes seem to have a sense of humor.  My cane is particularly
fond of my reaction when I come to a curb, place the cane off the curb
expecting to find the street just a few inches below curb level, but
instead the cane drops into the dark bottomless pit of a sewer grate!
Sensing that I am about to drop off the edge of the Earth, I draw back
in shock while taking in all the available oxygen in a two block radius
with a single gasp!  Once I regain my confidence and composure, I
realize that it was only a sewer grate and proceed normally, but cannot
help thinking that my cane is snickering at me!

   > Whether we use a cane, a dog, or some other form of guide the point is
   > we get around. We should be proud of each other if we manage to get
   > anywhere.  Sometimes I think it is an accomplishment to get from one
   > room to another in one piece. Ever had a day like that? Grin.

Yes.  October.

 * JABBER v1.1 * It's always something!  -- RR

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From: Walter.Siren@p42.f17.n396.z1.fidonet.org (Walter Siren)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Jaws With A Votalker
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:15:29 GMT
Reply-To: Walter.Siren@p42.f17.n396.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:396/17.42 - N. O. P. C. Club, New Orleans LA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26786

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DS> It may be a problem with the smart screens setup.  I mean, even when
 DS> smart screens are set to off.  Try clearing the smart screen monitor
 DS> macro by going into frames menu and into monitor and into clear.  Clear
 DS> frame 0 from the insert r macros.

I think I tried that.  I did go in to the frames menu, and cleared
out the 0 monitoring, unless I did not go far enough.  I suspect
that it does have something to do with the smart screen.  It seems
as though that problem started with the smart screen version.  I
might have to go back and check it again.

Walter

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From: Barbara.Akin@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Barbara Akin)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Dog Changes
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:55:52 GMT
Reply-To: Barbara.Akin@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26772

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

DR>mention the old idea was to make your dog Run down the street and go
DR>just as fast as his four and your two legs would carry you.  This was
DR>done in order to keep the dog from being distracted, now they say going
DR>so fast is dangerous and have  slowed the dogs down to a crawl.
DR>Does this experience or similar ones hold true in your case or is this a
DR>phenomenon of just Guide Dogs of San Raphael?

DR>... A seminar on Time Travel will be held two weeks ago.
DR>--- Blue Wave/Max v2.10 [NR]
DR> * Origin: ***YOUR BBS, where my bbs is yours; 916-448-5840 (1:203/9264.0)

Hi,
I got my last two dogs from San Rafael, and mine move at a pretty good
clip!
I Want my pups to go fast, as I usually want to get where I am going and
am not out on a sight seeing sprea!
I can slow my dog down though, I Had to, as a matterof fact when my
children were little toddlers and justcouldn't walk at my normal pace.
My present dog is great, she will really move out, or she will slow down
when that is needed.
Infact, since my accident, I find she is being Extra cautious of cracks
in the sidewalk, and everything, she's so cute!
-!-
 ~ SLMR 2.0 ~ All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.

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From: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Ashland)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: All My Children
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:34:41 GMT
Reply-To: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/319.0 - Mostly Mail, Aloha OR
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 26826

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DR> Has anyone seen where they have made Natalie blind in All My
 DR> Children? I don't mind them portraying blind people in the show.  They

I never watch soap operas, so I haven't seen that program.  I can just
imagine how they've botched the job of portraying a blind person though!
They always mess it up so badly!  It embarrasses me to even watch a
program where they've got someone blind in fiction.

Have you seen that program in the evening that has a deaf lawyer in it?
I wonder how the deaf people feel about that portrayal?  I think that
lady has quite a bit of hearing though, as her voice, though her speech
is still somewhat impaired by the deafness, does have more inflection
than is usual for a totally deaf person, at least in my limited
experience.  But who am I to criticize, I'm not deaf.

Carol

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