From: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)
Subject: Re: The christian perspective...?
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation Facility NASA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:11:30 GMT
Reply-To: dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King)


In article <1992Sep10.150225.1@vf.jsc.nasa.gov> mcmillan@vf.jsc.nasa.gov writes:

>I'm a pro-life Christian, but I did a lot of thinking about the topic before
>I took my and.  What finally made it clear to me was this:  A man and
>woman have created an unborn child but are not sure they want to have a baby or
>not.  They vacilate on their decision for 9 nine months, then she goes into
>labor.  At that point, still with a "fetus, not a child" in her womb, do they
>have the right to have a willing doctor abort the pregnancy?  Except for the
>extreme medical emergency case where it comes down to either the mothers or
>the baby's life, I could find no times where that almost-born baby could be
>rightfully put to death.  Hopefully, most (but not all, I'm sure) will agree
>with me on that.

While this might be fairly good reason to oppose abortion, is it reason
enough to try and outlaw it?  While many of us may find it repugnant for
someone to want an abortion this late in a pregnancy, I don't think that
is reason enough for legislation.  Legislation should be designed to
address real problems, not imaginary problems.  Are you aware of any
instant where a woman or a couple acted in such manner as you mention
above?
 
I also believe the couple above, if faced with such a situation should
have the right to an abortion.  Of course, I would guess I would
define abortion differently than you.  To me, abortion is the 
early termination of a pregnancy.  I would guess to you it is
the killing of the fetus.  With my definition, I have no problem
with the above scenario, with your definition I would.
 
>Then I backed it up a day.  The day before that lady goes into labor, doesn't
>that baby deserve a chance at life? .....
 
Enough people have already answered this point.  Why stop at two cells?
Anyway, no matter what point we decide to protect life, it is arbitrary.
We might as well pick a point that doesn't interfere with someone
rights.

>Choice?  We all have a choice before we have sex.  Do I or don't I, and, if I
>do, am I going to take precautions or not?  Am I willing to accept responsibility
>if the precautions are not 100% effective (since none of them are)?  So what
>happens when the precautions don't work?  Eight years ago my wife accidently 
>got pregnant with our third child.  We really couldn't afford it, life was very
>pleasant with our other two, I was already axed out on available time.   
>However, due to no fault of its own, this "thing" was created and we had to face
>the consequences of our actions, so we didn't kill it.  So now I have a great
>little second-grader who loves me unconditionally.  Thank God for our accident!
>We live from paycheck to paycheck, but I honestly wouldn't trade that son for
>anything.  My wife wants a fourth since the third turned out so well. 

Abortion can be a responsible choice when someone is faced with an
un-wanted pregnancy.  What you need to do is not argue responsibility
but rather explain why the act of coitus sex creates an obligation for
the woman to the fetus.  I have yet to see anyone consistently prove 
this.

I have a somewhat similar experience.  My son is now 16 years old.  He
was almost aborted.  I'm very glad he wasn't.  My son is special
though because we chose not to abort him.  I'm not as positive he would
be as special if we were forced to have him rather than having the
opportunity to have him.  Sounds like your wife is choosing to have
a fourth, rather than someone forcing her to have a fourth.  Being
pro-choice does not mean we feel abortion is the best choice for
everyone.  It means for those that believe abortion is the best 
alternative for themselves during a difficult time, that abortion
remain safe and legal.

>Choice?  Abortion is a choice of one or two grown people--the unborn baby is
>given no choice.  That little human is literally ripped apart or burned to 
>death in a horribly painful procedure.  Imagine having your head torn off!  No
>wonder abortion is a bloody procedure.  And remember, approximately 50% of 
>those unborn babies killed are girls, future women.  Talk about misosyny! 

And remember, 100% of those with a fetus using their bodies are women.
Forcing them to have their bodys used against their will to protect a 
fetus is misogyny.

>There.  I tried to give my reasoning for being pro-life without going into the
>Biblical side of it.  If you research it with an open mind, you'll find the 
>Bible (therefore God) solidly pro-life.  If you need any help, let me know.

I don't put much faith in the bible, but everything I know about the
bible, and from what I've seen here, the bible is solidly pro-choice.
 
>Stokes McMillan  

Dan King
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