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From: dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: America's Godly Heritage
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:19:44 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.


 > On the December 9, 1992 _America_First_ radio program of
 > conservative Tom Donahue (sp?) the guest speaker was Col. James
 > "Bo" Gritz. I sent off for the tape of the show so I can document
 > exactly what I heard.

      Though I've heard that he sometimes contradicts things which he has
previously said.

 > Bo mentioned that he is a loyal member of the L.D.S. Church (Mormons).

      And from discussions I've had with Mormons, they seem to claim that
he is not a member of the LDS.

 > He denied any involvement with the Christian Identity Movement.

     That might depend upon the audience he is addressing.

 > It is interesting to note the he claims
 > to be one of the most Christian people he knows.

     <grin>  His humility speaks for itself!
From: rowland@tne01.tele.nokia.fi
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: RE: The Trinity
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:09:57 GMT
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.


        Just a comment regarding John 1:1-3

        The NWT rendering of John 1:1 is well known and widely disputed.
        Recently, I noted that John 1:3 serves as an antidote to arianism.
        Jesus is the subject of the passage and it says that  

        '...apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into 
        being.' (NASB) 

        The creature cannot create itself....therefore Jesus cannot be a
        created being....hence Jesus must be the CREATOR !

        Kevin
From: bruceb@ctpm.uq.oz.au (Bruce Blackshaw)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Why I am a Christian (no doctrine)
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:11:03 GMT
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland,

mussack@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) writes:

>Here is my contribution to non-doctrine:

>I'll be honest, the reason I am a Christian, specifically Catholic,
>is because I like Christmas so much.
[stuff deleted]
> ... we learn to love God not because 
>we have to, but because He is so lovable. Anyone who has seen a 
>baby born knows what I mean, it is amazing to think that God came 
>to us in the same way. 

It is amazing that God humbled himself in such a way.  Let's not forget
though that the baby grew up into a man, was crucified for our sins and
even now sits at the right hand of God - a God of love but also of justice

Bruce

--
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose"
- Jim Elliot (Christian missionary killed by Auca Indians)
             
                  bruceb@ctpm.uq.oz.au
From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Jesus loves me by Michael Card
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:21:03 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

I've been listening to song called "Jesus Loves Me" by Michael
Card.  I think it comes from the album "Legacy".  I like the song
a lot and was wondering if anyone out there got the guitar chords
and words for it ?  Please reply by email.

Thank you
Anthony
--
Anthony Lee (Time Lord Doctor) (These are my opinions !)
email: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au	voice:+(61)-7-3651204 FAX:+(61)-7-3651999
SNAIL: Department Computer Science, The University of Queensland, 
       St Lucia, Qld 4072, Australia
From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: thought for the day (12-15)
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:40:15 GMT

Tuesday, December 15:

     ... the Lord has sought out a man after his own heart;
<1 Samuel 13: 14>
From: jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org (John Spence)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: WHY JEWS RESENT PROSELYTIZING
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:21:24 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <Dec.13.00.11.38.1992.877@geneva.rutgers.edu> bc744@cleveland.freenet.edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:
>
>   There have been various recent efforts to link Christianity to 
>Judaism.  These efforts range from the repeated use of the phrase   
>"Judeo-Christian" to groups of evangelists refering to themselves
>as 'Jews' for Jesus.  All of these efforts, calculated to convert 
>Jews to Christianity, are doomed to failure.  These efforts prove
>that those who do this know little or nothing about Judasim.

[lots deleted]

Really, Mark, it was nice of you to say all this, but just what is your
agenda? If all this is "doomed" to failure, then why are there many Jews
converting to Christianity? (and I'll admit that there are many
Christians converting to Judaism). In everything that you have said
about Christianity, it appears to me that you know nothing about
Christianity. In the text that I deleted, you seem to classify
Christians as a bunch of pagan, idol worshipers. Please, we Christians
have many faults, hmmm, maybe that is why we are Christians. 

My big difference on the interpretation of salvation is that we
Christians feel that only God can grant us salvation, and you say that
living by "the law" will do it. This is a very old argument that is one
of the canons of Christianity. We are saved by the Grace of God and not
by our own works.
-- 
jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org                                (214) 235-7161 x4100
John E. Spence                                                  CompuTrac, Inc.
"I don't speak for CompuTrac, and CompuTrac doesn't speak for me!"

[I think the point he was making is that from the point of view of
many Jews, Christianity is by definition idol worship.  Jesus is God's
human, visible form.  While Christians may not think of this as an
idol, it is in fact a visible, material form of God.  To someone who
thinks of God as wholly transcendent, an incarnation of God is not
possible.  I'm not convinced that this is a misunderstanding of
Christianity.  Rather, I believe he is simply recognizing that
Christians claim something very radical, which contradicts his basic
beliefs about God.  This is what Paul called the scandal of the cross.
--clh]
From: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Help For Jehovah's Witnesses
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:08:41 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net

There is help for JWs who are beginning to question the

validity of the Watchtower...

 

(1) Comments From The Friends

    P.O. Box 840

    Stoughton, MA, 02072

 

(2) Steve, 1-216-899-1914

    Dan, 1-216-933-5772

    Bill/Ruth, 1-216-572-0670

 

(3) A recorded message for JWs

    1-216-673-2838

 

    P.O.Box 1613

    Kent, Ohio, 44240

-- 
Frank				    |	"rightly dividing the word
af664			            |          of truth"
"Jesus is Lord"			    |      (2 Timothy 2:15)
From: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Is Christianity really the ONLY way?
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:12:30 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net


                Is Jesus The Only Way To God?


JOHN 14:6 "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and
the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

JOHN 3:16-18 ""For God so loved the world that He gave His
only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not
perish but have everlasting life. "For God did not send His
Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world
through Him might be saved. "He who believes in Him is not
condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten
Son of God."


JOHN 3:36 ""He who believes in the Son has everlasting life;
and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but
the wrath of God abides on him."

JOHN 5:39-40 ""You search the Scriptures, for in them you
think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify
of Me. "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may
have life."

JOHN 12:46-48 ""I have come as a light into the world, that
whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. "And if
anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge
him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the
world. "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has
that which judges him--the word that I have spoken will judge
him in the last day."

JOHN 17:3 ""And this is eternal life, that they may know You,
the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
 
ACTS 4:12 ""Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is
no other name under heaven given among men by which we must
be saved."

More upon request.

-- 
Frank				    |	"rightly dividing the word
af664			            |          of truth"
"Jesus is Lord"			    |      (2 Timothy 2:15)
From: ayoub@globey.cs.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Christmas on the 25th.  Why? (was Re: Messianic Jews and Christmas)
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:16:44 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison

In article <Dec.15.04.25.35.1992.5187@geneva.rutgers.edu> Our moderator writes:
>
>[I don't know of any connection with Nimrod, and rather doubt it.
>The pagan holiday is the Natalis Solis Invicti.  In fact Jan 6
>was originally a celebration of Jesus' baptism, not his birth.
>However it's come to be associated with his birth, as eastern
>and western customs have interacted with each other.  --clh]

In some Orthodox churches (Russian, Coptic, etc.) that still use the
old Calender, Christmas is celebrated on the 7th of January. According
to my understanding of what happened in 1582, Pope Gregory XIII
of Rome, introduced a new calender as a revision of the Julian Calender,
in which 10 days were dropped, in addition to 3 more days that were
dropped in centesimal years that are divisible by 400 - 1700, 1800, and,
1900, making a total of 13 days that were dropped from the calender.
These 13 days are exactly the difference between Dec 25th and Jan 7th.
The churches that did not drop those 13 days from their church calender,
celebrate it on Jan 7th. So can we conclude that prior to 1582, Christmas
was celebrated on Jan 7th ? or is it the other way around ? I am not
an expert in astrology so can some one care to explain ?

Peace,

Nabil

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[All the accounts I've seen are that there were originally two
separate celebrations, which got merged over time.  I don't think
it's just a difference in calendars.  --clh]
From: rreid@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ralph W. Reid III)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: thought for the day (12-12)
Date: 13 Dec 92 05:14:46 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

Saturday, December 12:

     Every day in the temple and from house to house they continued
without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ,
Jesus.  <Acts 5: 42>

-- 
Ralph.  N6BNO.  NOW LOOKING FOR A JOB!
Phone 1-916-345-9155.
lectromail- rreid@ecst.csuchico.edu.
I do not waste time expressing others' opinions!
From: std2002@inel.gov (Stephen Gamache)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: America's Godly Heritage
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:22:20 GMT
Reply-To: std2002@if.uidaho.edu
Organization: University of Idaho, Idaho Falls EC

In article <Dec.15.04.00.24.1992.4901@geneva.rutgers.edu>, dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu
 (Daniel Segard) writes:
|>        I have heard that Bo Gritz has trouble deciding whether he is
|> Mormon, Baptist or part of the Christian Identity movement.  Any positive
|> word on what he is actually following these days?

On the December 9, 1992 _America_First_ radio program of conservative Tom
Donahue (sp?) the guest speaker was Col. James "Bo" Gritz.  I sent off for the
tape of the show so I can document exactly what I heard.  Bo mentioned that he
is a loyal member of the L.D.S. Church (Mormons).  He denied any involvement
with the Christian Identity Movement.  It is interesting to note the he claims
to be one of the most Christian people he knows.  When I get the tape maybe I
will have some here dictate it for me to but on the net (I'm a slow typist, and
at only 40 wpm, I might have it done in time for the next - 1996 - election :-)

Other than that, since I'm in the middle of the state that supports Bo the
most, maybe I can stir up more information about this guy.

In Christ,

Steve

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From: Mike.Hahn@p57.f714.n7102.z5.fidonet.org (Mike Hahn)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Francis Schaeffer
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:37:37 GMT

On Tuesday December 15 1992, Kurt Marko wrote to All:

 KM> On recommendation of a good friend, I am starting to read a few books
 KM> by Francis Schaeffer.  Aside from the somewhat terse biographies on
 KM> the book jackets, I'm wondering if someone could fill in some
 KM> background on his life and work.  What Protestant 'tradition' does he
 KM> come from?  Has he had influence on any denomination in particular?
 KM> Anything else I should know? :)

His wife, Edith Schaeffer, has written a book called "L'Abri" (London:
Norfolk Press, 1969.) I haven't read this book myself, but it tells
the story of the community which the Schaeffers founded, and should
contain a lot of the background information you are looking for.

Mike
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From: pkk36438@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Polygon)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Is Christianity the only way?
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:43:04 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

michael@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael George Williams) writes:

>I am by all means a Christian, and I am not about to attempt to undermine
>Christianity in any way, but I have a point to raise about the debate over
>whether Christianity is the only true way to salvation and eternal life. 
>My question is this:  What about persons who were never exposed to
>Christianity and never even had the opportunity to be?  ...
>The point is, I don't see how anyone can propose that they
>will never be received into the Kingdom of God on the basis of not having
>been a Christian if they never had the opportunity in the first place.  In
>my opinion, Heaven and God are big enough to include a lot of different
>people and ideas, even if they do not completely fit our idea of what is
>"right" or the only way....

	In my opinion, there is no reason to believe God is limited to the
	image imposed by Christian theologists.  God can reveal Himself in
	any style He wants.  If He wants to hide Himself from humans, He
	can "appper" as nothingness.  If He wants to approach the native
	indians, He can appear as another kind of god.  The only problem
	is how can you tell which one is the real God and which one is
	an idol?

						Peter
From: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: THE INSPIRATION OF SCRIPTURE (Outline)
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:08:31 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net

Here's an outline I developed to teach on this subject...

 

 

 

 

The Inspiration of Scripture

 

I.  Inspiration of Scripture

   A.  2 Timothy 3:16

      1.  The Word of God

         a.  John 10:35

      2.  From the Holy Spirit

         a.  Acts 1:16

         b.  2 Peter 1:20,21

         c.  John 14:26

         d.  1 Corinthians 3:13,14

         e.  Romans 1:20

         f.  2 Timothy 3:15

      3.  Infallible

         a.  Psalm 18:30

         b.  Psalm 119:160

         c.  Daniel 10:21

         d.  2 Peter 1:16-19

         e.  Acts 17:11

         f.  Acts 18:28

      4.  Must Be Fulfilled

         a.  Matthew 26:54

         b.  Matthew 26:56

         c.  Mark 14:49

         d.  Mark 15:28

         e.  Luke 4:21

      5.  Cannot Be Broken

         a.  John 10:35

         b.  Psalm 119:89

      6.  Equated With God's Power

         a.  Matthew 22:29

         b.  Mark 12:24

         c.  Hebrews 4:12

         d.  Romans 1:16

      7.  Equated With God Speaking

         a.  Romans 9:17

         b.  Galatians 3:8

         c.  James 4:6  >  Proverbs 3:34

      8.  Must Be Taught By God

         a.  Luke 24:32

         b.  Luke 24:45

 

   B.  Examples of "Scripture"

      1.  2 Peter 3:16  >  Paul's Epistles

      2.  Luke 24:27  >  Pentateuch

      3.  Luke 24:27  >  All the Major and Minor Prophets

      4.  1 Timothy 5:18  >  Deuteronomy 25:4

      5.  1 Timothy 5:18  >  Luke 10:7

      6.  Mark 12:10  >  Psalm 118:22,23

      7.  Mark 15:28  >  Isaiah 53:12

      8.  John 7:42  >  Micah 5:2

      9.  John 19:37  >  Zechariah 12:10

     10.  Acts 8:35  >  Isaiah 53:7,8

     11.  Romans 11:2,3  >  1 Kings 19:2,3

 

   C.  Human Authorship VS. Divine Inspiration

      1.  Acts 1:16

         a.  Acts 1:20

            1.  Psalm 69:25

            2.  Psalm 109:8

      2.  Man's Word Fails

         a.  1 Peter 1:23,24

      3.  God's Word Endures Forever

         a.  1 Peter 1:23-25a

-- 
Frank				    |	"rightly dividing the word
af664			            |          of truth"
"Jesus is Lord"			    |      (2 Timothy 2:15)
From: J024330@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Left LDS Church - why?
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:55:20 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

I'm in the process of preparing a publication profiling folks who left
the LDS Church and their reasons for leaving.  I left in 1981 because
I found certain doctrinal issues that were not in line with the Book of
Mormon, nor the Bible.

Would you consider sharing your experiences with me via e-mail?  Would
you allow me to use your name and city of residence, or would you rather
remain anonymous?

Thanks for your help,

1  My opinions are mine alone.  They may or :   Address all flames to:
2  may not be shared by my employer or the  :  ccolvin@lmsc.lockheed.com
3  owner of this system.                    :       Chris Colvin
4  My .sig is only 4 lines long  ;-)        :         ><IXOYE>
From: stangem@columbia.dsu.edu (Michele Stange)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Masturbation
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:26:17 GMT
Organization: Dakota State University

I've seen postings on this newsgroup recently concerning masturbation and if 
it is right or wrong, and if it is wrong, why it is wrong.  In my reading, I 
came across the following from a book entitled "Living Faith, an 
Introduction to Theology" by Eileen Flynn and Gloria Thomas:

	"A typical form of experimentation entails autoerotic acts, 
that is, acts of masturbation. Driven by curiosity and a craving for 
pleasure, people discover that self-stimulation provides a way to release 
pent-up sexual tension and experience physical satisfaction.  Much more 
frequent among boys than girls, masturbation is considered morally deficient 
behavior because it does not involve opening oneself to another (an 
intrinsic aspect of sexuality).  It is not expressive of love for another 
and if it becomes a deeply entrenched habit, it stands in the way of mature 
sexual development."

-Michele
From: cnews@umr.edu (UMR Usenet News Post)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Christmas on the 25th.  Why? (was Re: Messianic Jews and Christmas)
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:25:35 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

Armenian churches commemorate the birth of Jesus on January 6.

I've been told that the December 25 date comes from synchrotizing
a pagan holiday celebrating Nimrod's birthday.  Can anyone verify this?

At any rate, the dead of winter is one of the least likely times for
shepherds to be watching over flocks by night, which would more likely
occur in the spring or fall.

For your thoughts,
Scott Hayes
scotth@cs.umr.edu

[I don't know of any connection with Nimrod, and rather doubt it.
The pagan holiday is the Natalis Solis Invicti.  In fact Jan 6
was originally a celebration of Jesus' baptism, not his birth.
However it's come to be associated with his birth, as eastern
and western customs have interacted with each other.  --clh]
From: roge0028@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Is Christianity the only way?
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:56:11 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <Dec.17.00.11.03.1992.9715@farside.rutgers.edu> michael@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael George Williams) writes:
>My question is this:  What about persons who were never exposed to
>Christianity and never even had the opportunity to be?  What about the

The answer I propose to you is this:  WE DO NOT KNOW!  The Bible is
less than explicit on the issue and anything that anyone can come up
with is simply mere speculation.  So how is this for my speculation.
In order to examine things that are outside the text, we must refer 
back to the text in order to have a base to operate from.  So the 
speculation I propose is simple and brief.  We do not know but we do 
know alot about the character of God.  He is both Just and Fair.  When
has the Lord ever strayed from this.  Also in Revelation we see the
multitudes standing before the throne of God from every nation, tribe
and people.  Also, how about Abraham, Moses, David and the like.  We all
assume that they are in heaven, we know that they are there because of 
Christ's sacrifice and his blood, but God does not explain the details
of how they got there.  So if we then extrapolate this to our current
subjects, we can rest in God's character and know that it will be
both just and fair.

Thru his sacrifice I am called a Child of God...


:Christopher Rogers            | 500 Fry St #9
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