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From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re:    Psychics and other related phenomena
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:28:51 GMT

In article <92320.174104SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu>, Stephen Kuhn <SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> Does anybody out there really, truly, and above all, HONESTLY Believe in all of
|>  the psychic,etc., BULLSHIT?

Most people have ALWAYS believed in miracles, most people still do.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: hardy@ug.cs.dal.ca (S.Hardy)
Subject: Psychics...
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:20:45 GMT

 I myself believe in it. God knows, I shouldn't...I've gone to and wasted
enough money on crackpots pretending to be psychics that I should have
scrapped the whole belief long ago. But I believe in it. I've just had
some bad experiences. Lucky me. :)

 Are there any...real psychics on this internet? I've always been curious
about this. If so, leave me email and disprove all of my doubts on 
the subject, PLEASE. :)

 -Simone Hardy,
  Halifax, Nova Scotia,
  Canada, eh? :)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: agb001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Psychics...
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:09:30 GMT

Sorry to jump in here...

Personally I do believe in the ParaNormal. What I mainly believe in however
is the existance of obe's and esp. I do feel that all of it may exist, but I
have no personal experience in those others, so I leave them alone. The way
I look at it is, most likely by trying to use them, I won't, so I should
just let whatever happen, for now at least.

I have believed in ESP since before my first grade, although I had no
explanation for it nor did I know what it was... Before then I was not
Catholic and suddenly I was thrown into a catholic school, so I called it
God. :) (Hey, I was a kid. I wasn't into research then...) I have seen
enough things happen in the realm of telepathy, precognition, mental
projection to believe in it. I have my own theory of OBE which is kinda 
hard to explain. I may do it sometime.

Believing in something is a matter of how you were exposed to it, if you
actually experience it or want to expereince it, or if you are just going
along with someone who does. If it is the last, then it may not be true
belief. If it is the second, then my reply is don't try so hard. It is like
Murphy's law... The more you try, the less you succeed. And the first is
the best reason to believe in something (at least in my opinion). 

Just my thoughts....

ParaPsykotic (DSW)
AGB001@acad.drake.edu
Tony Bossaller

Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: ae553@yfn.ysu.edu (David Jameson)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how to initiate an OBE?
Reply-To: ae553@yfn.ysu.edu (David Jameson)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:11:15 GMT


In a previous article, kdawson@AFIT.AF.MIL (KEVIN D. DAWSON) says:

>
>>Have a look in the newsgroup alt.out-of-budy which was created for
>                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                         ^^^^
>> ----------------------------------------
> David Jameson, Email : ae553@yfn.ysu.edu 
>> ----------------------------------------
>
>Wait a minute Thata newsgroup's fans of the "Dick Van Dyke" show.!!!
>
>                             :)
>

*grin*

>Kevin Dawson
>kdawson@afit.af.mil
>

Please excuse my typo...how does "alt.out-of-body" sound?

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From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Psychics and other related phenomena
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:25:26 GMT
Followup-To: alt.paranormal
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Nov21.011344.18781@wam.umd.edu>, angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.) writes:
:Hi... In an effort to encourage more postings to this newsgroup, I
:will answer the following rhetorical questions:  :)

Which of the three newsgroups in the header do you mean?

:In article <92325.162247CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu:CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

:>*Do you believe in magick
:Yes, and I practice it.  But I did not believe in/practice
:magick when I began researching/having OBEs.

poorly defined question. what is magick? I've seen as many definitions
as people purporting to practice it.

:>*Do you believe in levitation, yoga, etc..
:I think yoga is the name of a Spiritual Path, isn't it?  I've never
:studied either, but I may at some time in the future...

Yoga is a generic term. In general, the purpose of yoga is to achieve
union with eternity, the infinite, God/dess, Bob, or what have you.
Various weird powers, or siddhas, are a byproduct of yogic practices.
One of these is levitation. There are others which seem far more
interesting and useful than that one.

:>I would not mind such comments from strictly mundane people..but I find it
:>odd that one group who does obe's doesn't believe in magick or chakras...
:>and people that do magick and chakras don't believe in obe...that is petty.
:>You can't learn about something by worthless discussion of,..it does exist..
:>it doesn't exist...you learn from experience...
:I agree, but you would be amazed at how easily people can use one
:"mystical experience" to become closed-minded about all others.  The
:argument goes like this:
:"The thing that I'm involved with is real, and all of those other 
:things I hear about are nothing like the thing I do; therefore,
:those things are all fake..."
:
:(It is a trap I was in for a couple of years.)  :)
:

I think people get close-minded because of the fear of not-knowing.
And people don't generally want to think. They want those handy,
prefab answers. One experience is immediately generalizable to all
existence. :)

Reply by email if you want a response from me. I don't normally read
these groups.
			-Lorenzo
-- 
"Once upon a time men were possessed    ******************************
by devils. Now they are not less        *  Lorenzo Farris            *
obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung             *  farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
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From: kellym@wowee.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Kelly Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re: Psychics and other related phenomena
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:17:57 MST
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In article <92325.162247CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Obviously your not going to know the answers and become a master at
> everything...who are you to say that something doesn't exist because you don't
> know about it, or can't prove it..
>
> I would not mind such comments from strictly mundane people..but I find it
> odd that one group who does obe's doesn't believe in magick or chakras...
> and people that do magick and chakras don't believe in obe...that is petty.
> You can't learn about something by worthless discussion of,..it does exist..
> it doesn't exist...you learn from experience...
>
I believe that all these phenomenon are related to some degree, perhaps
only that they all have to do with energy. Maybe if those groups who
only believe in magick, chackras, or whatever would take this into
consideration, their experiences may begin to greatly increase.

While you can't become a master at everything, you can master one concept
and then move on to the next, and attempt to learn it equally well.
Wouldn't this be the logical progression, assuming the "master" doesn't
only believe in his own phenomenon?

[Note that I trimmed this header to keep this only in alt.paranormal, as I
don't receive the other groups (though I would like to, as I'm interested
in readings about out-of-body experiences.. I'd appreciate any mail on
the subject!)]

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From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: re: psychics and other related phenomena
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:41:44 GMT
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science

In article <ballard.45@adlibv.adelphi.edu>, ballard@adlibv.adelphi.edu (Terry Ballard) writes in part:
|> As a research-oriented person, I have to believe my senses 
|> and trust my ability to interpret reality.  
Apparently you are a psychological research-oriented person, or you wouldn't
have such a sanguine opinion of human perception.

|>    My observation is that when somebody advertises himself as a psychic and 
|> charges us a quarter to see his act, it is certainly just that.  The real 
|> psychic things that I have seen were not controlled by anybody - they just 
|> happen.  Does this mean that they are not worth knowing about?  Of course 
|> not.
The 'act' is just as real as the ones that you consider 'real'.  Does
that make either 'not worth knowing about'?  No.  Does that make either
'psychic'?  Hardly.

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.out-of-body,alt.pagan
From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: Psychics and other related phenomena
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:58:40 GMT

In article <92320.174104SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu> Stephen Kuhn <SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:                                                                ^^^
>Does anybody out there really, truly, and above all, HONESTLY Believe in all of
> the psychic,etc., BULLSHIT?

Why does this always happen?
Just when you think all of the ignorance has settled down here in Happy (yeah,
right, not after yesterday) Valley, something like this happens.   

OBVIOUSLY, there are some who believe in it!  Why else would we try to have
a serious discussion about it??????

-Jeremy Hall
-Penn State Univ.
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: Re:    Psychics and other related phenomena
Date: 17 Nov 1992 18:14:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
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In article 174104SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu, Stephen Kuhn <SWK105@psuvm.psu.edu> () writes:
>Does anybody out there really, truly, and above all, HONESTLY Believe in all of
> the psychic,etc., BULLSHIT?

Ask the circulation manager for the National Enquirer.

---
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  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: kent_f1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: -test-test-test
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:36:39 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

test test test
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: ballard@adlibv.adelphi.edu (Terry Ballard)
Subject: re: psychics and other related phenomena
Organization: Adelphi University Swirbul Library
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:41:25 GMT


   For what it's worth, in my 46 years, I have had several experiences that 
show that reality is much more interesting than some people would like us to 
believe it is.  As a research-oriented person, I have to believe my senses 
and trust my ability to interpret reality.  I look in to this list every so 
often in a usually vain attempt to read postings from other people who are 
open-minded.  Alas, we seem to be dominated by two camps - people who will 
believe absolutely anything and more often people who already know it all 
and want to share their superior state of enlightenment with the rest of us.
   My observation is that when somebody advertises himself as a psychic and 
charges us a quarter to see his act, it is certainly just that.  The real 
psychic things that I have seen were not controlled by anybody - they just 
happen.  Does this mean that they are not worth knowing about?  Of course 
not.

                                                    Terry Ballard
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From: lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.pagan,alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Psychics and other related phenomena
Date: 17 Nov 1992 12:47 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <1992Nov16.112208.29450@gnosys.svle.ma.us>, gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo) writes...
>Kindly remove the "alt.out-of-body" newsgroup name from followups to this
>thread.  It has nothing to do with our subject matter.


It doesn't?

If you say so.

Tammy
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From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Psychics and other related phenomena
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:22:08 GMT

Kindly remove the "alt.out-of-body" newsgroup name from followups to this
thread.  It has nothing to do with our subject matter.

Thanks.

Gary
--
    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
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From: CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,alt.pagan,alt.out-of-body
Subject: Re: Psychics and other related phenomena
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:22:47 GMT
 <1992Nov16.112208.29450@gnosys.svle.ma.us> <17NOV199212471651@elroy.uh.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

Yeah Tammy...sigh...People telling other people what the discussion is about..

Just to add my 2:'s...

Ask yourself the following

*Do you believe in astal projection
*Do you Believe in God
*Do you believe in the various forms of obe..
*Do you believe in magick
*Do you believe in chakras...and energy matrix lines
*Do you believe in levitation, yoga, etc..
*Do you believe in electromagnetic radiation....

Obviously your not going to know the answers and become a master at
everything...who are you to say that something doesn't exist because you don't
know about it, or can't prove it..

I would not mind such comments from strictly mundane people..but I find it
odd that one group who does obe's doesn't believe in magick or chakras...
and people that do magick and chakras don't believe in obe...that is petty.
You can't learn about something by worthless discussion of,..it does exist..
it doesn't exist...you learn from experience...

just my thoughts...

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Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: kdawson@AFIT.AF.MIL (KEVIN D. DAWSON)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how to initiate an OBE?
Organization: Air Force Institue of Technology, WPAFB OH
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:42:54 GMT


>Have a look in the newsgroup alt.out-of-budy which was created for
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^
                                         ^^^^
> ----------------------------------------
 David Jameson, Email : ae553@yfn.ysu.edu 
> ----------------------------------------

Wait a minute Thata newsgroup's fans of the "Dick Van Dyke" show.!!!

                             :)

Kevin Dawson
kdawson@afit.af.mil
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:08:24 -0500 
From: "Curtis E. Bower" <cb4m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Virtuality

Well, Virtuality is on a college tour of the northeastern states.  It
came here to CMU last thursday.  I got to be one of the coaches for it,
and in so doing, got to play five times.  The first time was really
weird.  It takes one or two time to get used to it then you can really
let yourself go.  People told me afterwards that when I was playing for
my fourth and fifth times, it was almost scary to watch me play.  I was
moving all around, crouching, dodging, etc.  I was just having fun
getting into it.  It truly is an amazing experience and if you get the
chance to experience it, definately do it.
	If anybody has a simple sort of question about the setup, I might be
able to answer it.
bye


-Curt


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
From: jnewman@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: WIRE
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:37:25 GMT

Wow.  No only another Josh, but one that likes Wire.  What a wonderful
sychronicity.

	Josh
			JNEWMAN@hamp.hampshire.edu
From: jdale@cats.ucsc.edu (Jonathan Dale)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: Virtuality
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:50:01 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


I played it in an arcade in Kirkland, Washington.  Not on tour, they just have
it.  $5/4min.  A lot of fun, neat effect, and I toasted the guy I was playing
against.  Seeing yourself get blown up from the inside is a disturbing thing,
though.  I hit the pterydactyl a couple times, too.  Too expensive, but give
it a few years....
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 09:14:00 CET
From: o.roehrig@link-hh.comlink.de
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KBEAL%AMBER@UUCP.ZER schrieb am 19.11.92 um 22:20
mit Betreff: Re: Virtuality

|> Does anybody know where they're touring?  Is there someplace I can call
|> (Virtuality headquarters?) to get this info?  Thanks!

Does anybody know if the somewhen come to europe? Or even to Germany?


Ottmar Roehrig

Zerberus: O.ROEHRIG@LINK-HH.ZER | UUCP: ottmar@ajberl.adsp.sub.org
                                  DE: O.ROEHRIG@LINK-HH.COMLINK.DE

    Woodstock aus Traum gerissen... Prinzessin verschwunden!

-- MPoint 2.0 Pro  (C)1992 M.Aberle
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
From: jnewman@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: New senses and Geordi's Eyes
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:55:20 GMT

Well, I have to agree that the eyes do take in huge amounts of data and process
it remarkably well.  I think the human brain, though, can work at a much higher
level than it generally does.  

In the article about the direct neural-visual implant, the thing that most
sparked my imagination was the possibility for not only construction of
replacement optical sensors, but addition of them as well.  Why should we see
in only three dimensions?  With this technology, especially in cyberspace, we
can see in all directions at once and process that information visually (one of
the most sensitive and accurate senses we have available)

The technology talked about here could obviously be used for other senses as
well.  Think about a piece of software that was know to have a fault in its
code because it didn't taste right.  

And why stop there?  Why not continue past our original five (six?) senses? 
After all, we have lots of spare grey matter, why not use it?  We're humans. 
We adapt.  We will learn to use new senses as easily as we can use those we now
have.

I'm currently reading Benedikt's "Cyberspace".  Interesting stuff, and
interestingly enough, I find Saint Gibson to be the leat visionary of all the
authors.

                                Write me mail.
				 Grendel

Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:31:22 -0500 
From: "Curtis E. Bower" <cb4m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Virtuality
	<1992Nov19.110245.19183@hellgate.utah.edu>

I got to play Dactyl Nightamre for something like 17 minutes.  It was
really quite enteretaining.  As a coach, I got to observe many different
people experience VR for the first time.  Some would really get into it
and otheres would be held up by the fact that the helmet wouldn't always
fit perfectly, and glasses would fog up.  Some people just couldn't
figure out that the joystick/gun would change pitch if they tilted their
hand.  It was almost too real in that sense.  People were not able to
understand that they were in a truly artificial environment.
    As for the setup of the system, they would not get too specific
(something about their liscence or something).  Anyway, each pod used
the equivalent of three Amiga 3000's to run the software.  The
positioning of the helmet and joystick was accomplished by having three
sensors inside of each and running an electromagnetic current through
the ring around the pod.  If someone stuck their arm too far out, it
would dissapear from the VR world.  I'm not sure if the three sensors
were for the three dimensions or triangulation, or if there is a
difference between the two.
    Besides for a few things that need to be smoothed out, the
experience was very gratifying.  I would imagine that in the future more
improvements will be made to increase the response time for the
environment, and better graphics will be developed.
I hope some of this was useful/interesting.


-Curt


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From: ST102172@brownvm.brown.edu (Eric the Fruitbat)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: Macintosh VR
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 19:39:20 EST
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>In article <84081@ut-emx.uucp> mustang@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Paul Christopher

[Lengthy discussion of why PCs are better than Macs for VR deleted]

>Of course it is a superior platform. Still doesn't even come close to
>workstation level, though!

[Lengthy discussion of why Amigas are better than the others deleted]

>                                      For the price of an Amiga 4000 you can
>buy a SUN SparcStation Classic with 16 MB RAM, 207 MB HDD, 3.5" HD, and 15"
>1024 X 768 monitor.

If you'll forgive a little geeking out, IMHO the biggest advantage to using
graphic workstation technology a la Sun or IRIS is hardware framebuffer
technology, an absolute *must* in dealing with graphics at the kind of level
we're talking about.  I've never seen nor heard of, for instance, an external
FB for Macintosh, and the slowness of Intel's microprocessors relative to
SPARC et al. makes IBMs a poor cousin in that department.

e
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