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From: saravan@amber.me.fau.edu (N. Saravanan)
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Organization: Chinese Circus Clowns Congregation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:20:22 GMT

My two cents worth:

One of the best fighting fish are:

#1 Peacock Bass (found only in Dade county canals in Florida?)
   One of the best fighting fish (IMHO).
#2 Bowfin (Mudfish) Do not discount this prehistoric fish.

Comments Welcome


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From: tom@oracorp.com (Tom)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: advice on fly lines?
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:01:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York

In article <1992Apr4.080742.28724@athena.mit.edu> jschultz@athena.mit.edu (Joseph M Schultz) writes:
>1.  Is it true, as John Gierach says, that a 5/6 wt. rod is designed for
>       5 wt. double taper, 6 wt. weight forward line?

No, it means that particular rod can handle either a 5 or 6 weight line
with little discernible difference.  Particularly true with the graphite
rods which seem to accomodate a much wider range of line weights.

>2. Is Cortland's 333 line, cheapest that I've seen (sorry -- cheap is 
>      important right now!), a good deal, or cheap junk?  Conversely, 
>      is Cortland's 444 line twice as good (being about twice ass
>      expensive)?

The Cortland 333 lines are certainly not the best, but they're a decent
line for beginners.  I'm not a huge fan of Cortland lines, but the 333's
were always pretty good for the money.  For the cost of a 444, I'd rather
have a Scientific Angler's Supreme line.

>3.  Who makes LL.Bean's lines?  They seem reasonably priced -- am I
>      overly cynical to imagine that they're not what they seem?

I'm pretty sure Cortland still makes fly lines for L.L. Bean's.

>4. Is Lee Wulff's Triangle Taper line as good as the guy in the 
>      fly shop claimed for roll casting?

I've never used that line, but I take the "advice" from a lot of shop
owners with a grain of salt.  You pretty much have to use your own
judgement regarding whether a particular shop owner is a BS artist who
is trying to snow you to make a buck.  A lot of shop owners are very
knowledgeable and experienced anglers, but a surprising number of shop
owners never spend any time on the water.  If you see the shop owner out
fishing, he must be a good guy, 'cause fishermen never lie. ;-)


-- Tom
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?)
Subject: Re: Great Lakes fish
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:57:05 GMT

Bad fish in the Great Lakes due to pollution?  From what I've read,
it's the bottom fish you may worry about, and I'm sure it's not all
the lakes...sorry can't say right now which ones are clean/dirty/cleaned
up.

We have a similar problem in Puget Sound (Washington State).  You catch a
cod, you throw it back.  Salmon or Steelies, you keep.  The salmonoid (sp?)
species eat living food and have less chance to pick up polution from
the bottom (unless the local primary food source is crustaceans?).  Most
of the large examples of Salmon have converted to eating fish as they grew
larger, but not all of them.  Bottom line is, I'm sure the Great Lakes
fish are fine in all ways, unless in some more localized areas the bottom
fish may not be as good for you...although eating a couple wouldn't seem
to matter.  I've eaten Puget Sound bottom fish a few times...when the silly
things pick up a salmon rig!

BD
From: RGDURH01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (FLORIDIOT)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: YES!!!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:12:52 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11



	Well, it finally happened......the first REAL fishing encounter of
the season; IN SPADES!  I left work at 3:00 and drove up to the Ohio River
at the fossil beds.  I took my 4 lb. spinning outfit (too many people and
brush for fly casting) and tied on my usual fluoro hot pink 1/4 oz. jig and
chartreuse glitter 3" twister grub.  In short order I found myself in the
midst of many thousands of white bass and a smaller quantity of sauger, all
committing mass suicide.  In the strong current, they attacked the grub with
vicious abandon.....at times, a small 11 or 12 inch white bass would come in
with all of the grub in its small mouth and only the head of the jig showing.
A little over three hours fishing resulted in around 75 fish C&R'ed.
	One observation was driven home.  I don't remember who first posted
it, but I remember the thread of the postings was that monofilament that had
been stressed (pulled on real hard) was weakened with no visible signs of
damage.  This is the reason for switching to Ande premium; I've found no other
mono that sustains heavy stress with little ill effect (After returning home,
I re-spooled with Ande instead of Bass Pro Shops Excel).  Sometimes the line
will take on a milky or opaque appearance...a sure sign to re-spool.  Early 
in the afternoon, I was catching quite a few more fish than those around me.  
The only thing different was that I used hot pink jigs (I switched to unpaint-
ed and it made no difference) and I "pumped" or "jigged" the lure on the re-
trieve.  Others simply reeled theirs in.  I've seen this make a huge differ-
ence before.  I also was using 4 lb. mono, no doubt causing my jigs to run a 
bit deeper.  Now all I have to do is figure out how to get away from work and 
see how many more white bass I can C&R while dodging thunder showers.   8^)

Rick "Are we having fun yet?" Durham
 
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: racg8670@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Becca  )
Subject: How much for a BC fishing license?
Summary: cost of BC fishing
Keywords: BC fishing license
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:54:04 GMT

A friend and I want to wander up the inside passage in British Columbia
this summer, and we are wondering if anyone could give us any information
about the cost of such an adventure.  We really want to fish, but we are
poor students and would like to know what licenses etc. cost before
we get our hearts set on this :)

Any help will be appreciated...

becca

racg8670@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: wahls@cs.iastate.edu (Tim Wahls)
Subject: Re: EARLY SPRING FISHING
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:53:05 GMT

trudel@aucs.acadiau.ca (Andre Trudel) writes:

>KSNAVELY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:

>>Does anyone know of a good bait for suckers? Worms are

   I've caught suckers and carp on waxworms and ice fishing jigs through the
 ice on the Mississippi.  Last November I had a 7 - 8 pound carp whipped on
 3 lb. test and my little ice fishing pole, but, oddly enough, he wouldn't
 fit through a five inch hole.  Anyway, you might try a gob of waxworms for
 sucker bait.

>Are suckers good for eating? I heard they were full of bones.
>I always toss them back in the water. A lot of people I've seen
>toss them away on land.

 They are pretty boney - but the smaller black suckers taste ok.  White
 suckers, redhorse and such are not as good.  I don't see any reason to toss
 suckers up on shore - the smaller ones are important bait fish, and I don't
 think that the larger ones destroy habitat like carp do.

                     Good fishing!

                     Tim

 p.s.  The suckers are running in the Skunk river near Ames now - nothing else
 is biting, so why not fish for them?
From: miller@lsil.com (Lance Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: L.L. Bean
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:15:02 GMT
Reply-To: miller@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

I need info on getting an L.L. Bean catalog, phone#, address, etc...  I'm looking for a wheel-based canoe carrier and was informed thru the net that L.L. Bean might carry one. Thanks in advance.
From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry tURner)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Spring Chinook Trip report (Oregon)
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:36:59 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


	Well, we logged another skunk on a beautiful day on the river yesterday.
	This makes me 0 fer 2 on the year.  (I've been catching some shit about
	not having a name for my boat so it is now officially the "0 Fer")

	I fished the Multnomah Channel of the Willamette in the area of Brown's
	landing for those of you who don't know the river and we caught no 
	fish, had 1 strike and saw no fish caught.  The water was still pretty
	clear in the channel but most of the upstream mud has washed down today
	and the water is pretty cloudy now.  My only strike was on a prawn and
	spinner combination.

	I'll be avoiding the channel from now on unless the water level improves
	On Sunday it was still at mid-summer time levels and the normal 
	holding areas weren't holding anything.  The fish I marked on the 
	finder if they really were salmon were in deeper water.

	More later.

	Terry

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From: frogers@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Francis H Rogers III)
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Organization: The Ohio State University
             ^^^^^^^^
 <1992Apr8.141214.6356@ncsu.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:07:37 GMT

>I was reminded of the carp last night because my fishing partner caught
>a 14# carp while bass fishing by twitching a jointed rapala
>on the surface.  I have caught carp on dough before, but have never
>heard of them hitting lures before, has anyone else?

>             It seems like they are intentionally attacking a 5inch
>jointed minnow plug???????
>

Believe it or not, gang.  I always fish for "Bugle Mouth Bass" with corn or 
dough, but my wife has caught 'em on a crank bait.  Go figure.  Vegetarians eh?
 Ha!

FR
From: les@ulysses.att.com (Leslie Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Mystery spoon
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:38:41 GMT


About ten years ago I used a spoon for ultralight freshwater spin
fishing that worked extremely well for me, but I haven't been able to
find it lately.  It was copper (I think - maybe bronze) and had a
hammered finish.  It was made in Europe somewhere, possibly Sweden,
and wasn't cheap.  Does this ring any bells for anyone?  Where might I
find something like this?  Cabella's, Gander Mountain and Bass Pro
don't have it in their catalogs.

  - Leslie Johnson  (les@ulysses.att.com) 1+908-582-5493
       "One Bell System - It Works"
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From: root@micom.com ((Todd L. Kindig @ Micom Comm. Corp.))
Subject: Okeechobee Lake, Florida-Info Needed
Organization: Micom Communications Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:08:29 GMT

	I am going to be in Florida May 31 thru June 7.  I have always
wanted to fish LAKE Okeechobee..  Does anyone out there in netland have
any info they can pass along to me on the following topics:

Fishing conditions 
Guide info
Hotel info
Boat Rentals

	I love to Bass fish, and have always heard this in one hot lake. Help..

Please email me. Thanks in advance,
					TLK



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From: sasjcm@cicadas.unx.sas.com (James McNealy)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Droppers, fly fishing, and the way to do it
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:47:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: unx.1992Apr6.134728.29224
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasjcm@cicadas.unx.sas.com
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In article <00958A94.EFDCB6E0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, gcp1815@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
|
|	But there is a better way to derive good fly fishing with 
|multiple flies. I call it the "chain rule." Instead of using droppers
|that fork off the main leader with a 90 degree "T" intersection, 
|just attach new fly in turn directly to the bend of the hook in front
|of it. One very good system is to use a foam-bodied grasshopper as 
|the first fly. That way the grasshopper catches lots of big hungry 
|fish, and it also acts as strike indicator (bobber) for any combination
|of nymphs, streamers or dry flies chained together below it.
|
|
|Sandy Pittendrigh     


What do you use as combinations?
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From: mitch@dc49.dc (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: West Coast Stripers
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:50:24 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@dc49.dc
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 647@oracorp.com, tom@oracorp.com (Tom) writes:
>There's two things `wrong' with mandatory catch-and-release regulations.
>One is that a very significant percentage of released fish die anyway.
>That's because too many people don't know how to release fish properly.
>If it hasn't been covered recently, someone should post instructions for
>properly releasing fish.

I agree with sensitive species such as trout but most bass are very
hearty and can survive without problem.  You are right that people should
be trained in oxygenating the fish before releasing, not touching the
bodies (handling by the lower lip), and being careful not to otherwise
injure the fish.  Here in California the fisheries are so bad now that
it is getting very difficult to catch anything these days.  
>
>The second reason that mandatory catch-and-release won't help the fishery
>that much is that usually a failing fishery is a sign of some environmental
>problem which is much more detrimental to the fishery than sportfishing.
>It's typically pollution, sometimes commercial overfishing.  In the Finger
>Lakes of NYS it's often lamprey eels, a fish killing parasite.  It's
>rarely sportfisherman destroying the resource.  It seems like sportfishing
>is the problem, because we're the ones who usually notice the problem most
>acutely and pay the price in many different ways.

We have had a republican governor now for the past 10 years and the
republicans are typically no friend to the environment.  Our Delta
watershed has been sold off to agriculture and development and there is
not much that can be done about the striper population I guess.  Commercial
fishing is not allowed for gamefish(including stripers) in California so
that is not a problem.  Fishfarms are raising stripers now for supermarket
consumption anyway.

>
>I believe in the philosophy of catch-and-release, but I have also had
>occassion where I have hooked fish that just aren't going to survive if
>released.  Since I like to eat fresh fish, it's no problem, I'll kill it
>and put it out of it's misery.  However, if I catch an undersized or out
>season fish that is hooked badly so that likelihood of survival is low,
>it's a dilemma.  Morally I feel obligated not to waste the fish.  Legally
>I feel obligated to release it to die.

I believe that releasing an injured fish that will die will also provide
food for the fishery.  That's about the only consolation I guess.
>
>-- Tom



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From: picou@convex.com (Michael Picou)
Subject: Re: those damned environmentalists
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:11:45 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I can't believe what I'm reading.  If you've been around the Texas coast
much, and kept up with what has happened down there in the last oh 7 or 8
years you would be well aware of what has happened to the redfish.  And if
you're any good at fishing for redfish, the size limit is no problem.  They
are having to throw back more oversized fish these days than undersized.

Think back to when we had severe freezes down there and the redfish population
took a serious hit.  To add to the hit, purse seiners were taking in tons and
tons of redfish illegally daily.  Hell, we're lucky to even have them anymore.
The "enviormentalists" as you call them have done what was neccessary to 
keep redfish in the bay.  I remember 3 or 4 years ago it was hard to even find
reds, now it is back to the way it was before the freeze.  TP&W and GCCA have
done a wonderful job of restoring this fish into our bays.  If the only reason
you go fishing is to stock your freezer, fish for trout or croaker or flounder.
(I'm not telling you what to do, simply suggesting an alternative)  Thanks to
people who are concerned about the future population of the redfish, we have
plenty in the bays and surf again.


OK, I'm off my soap box!


Mike
From: pisarevsky@b56vxg.kp01.kodak.com (Arkady Pisarevsky)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Lake Trout Info
Date: 3 Apr 92 14:01:09 GMT
Reply-To: pisarevsky@b56vxg.kp01.kodak.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Big Yellow Box
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

In article <1992Apr02.211120.3953@bmerh2.bnr.ca>, barre@bnr.ca (Phil Barre) writes...
> 
>LCD early last fall (water still fairly warm) indicated numerous
>marks at 40 - 90 foot depths over the deepest holes of 80-130

    Once looking for smallies we graphed a bunch of fish 40 feet down on 
55-60 foot drop-off. Down goes the jigging spoon. About ten minutes later
my partner almost gets the rod ripped outta his hand. It turned out to be 
a small laker and we moved on in search of true smallies. Never did find
them that day. So, you may want to jig with a heavy spoon. If that doesn't
work I would troll for them, if you have the equipment.

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From: RGDURH01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (FLORIDIOT)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Droppers, fly fishing, and the way to do it
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:53:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: vlsi.1992Apr9.165308.12680
Organization: University of Louisville
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Sandy Pittendrigh writes:

/	I made the original post on fishing droppers via the "chain
/rule." Someone else suggested 2" long T intersections instead. I ask 
/"why bother?" What's the difference to the fish between 2" off the
/leader and 0"? The chain method works as well, is less likely to 
/tangle, and is quicker to rig.
/
/	Also, someone else suggested chaining from hook-eye
/to hook-eye. This is how I originally learned to do it. But attaching
/droppers to the eye of "strike-indicator" grasshopper causes the 
/hopper to sink head first, like a dying submarine. Attaching at the bend
/does not interfere with hooking, and the hopper floats much better.

Enthusiastic beginner asks:

Is this a seasonal method?  I realize that terrestrials are more abundant
in summer, but would something like a caddis larvae/pupae behind a Muddler 
Minnow be worth trying this time of year?  

I once ran into a surface feeding frenzy of white bass and shad.  For
literally hours, anything at or near the surface smaller than a vienna
sausage was attacked viciously. I was told later, this is not uncommon in 
the early summer at dusk.  A terrestrial or popper with a nymph behind 
might be the hot ticket for this, especially with a 4 wt. rod instead
of 4 lb. spinning gear.  8^)

Rick "Floridiot" Durham
From: vic@helicon.math.purdue.edu (Victor W. Lovejoy)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Pond Management, etc
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:22:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44594
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University, Department of Mathematics

Hi, fisherfolk, this is Vic. My fiance comes from the southern part of Indiana,
where her folks have a small (about 1 acre) pond. We have been fishing there for
a couple of years and while we have had good days (we've caught 70+) fishing,   all the fish are very small. The fish that inhabit the pond are bluegill (all seem to be around 4-5 inches) smallmouth (also 4-6") crappie (we've only seen a   few, around 6 inches) and catfish (yellowbellies around 8-10 inches).
	It seems that the pond is overpopulated, but I'm really not sure. It
is fed by an underground spring, is about 14' deep at the deepest point, and
is well drained. The bottom is very marshy and leafy, and the silt is about
8 or 9 inches deep (this I discovered on my second time ever in a rowboat,
when I stood up at the bank to get out of the boat and suddenly the boat was
five feet away and I was knee-deep in water and muck....but that's another
story :*o) 
	I'd like to be able to do something about the conditions in the pond.
My fiance and I both live about 70 miles away from the farm, so we can't go
down and fish it enough to reduce the population (if, indeed, that is the 
problem) and since we're both in college we haven't the time, anyway. 
	Does anyone have some idea what could be causing the fish to remain
so small? The pond hasn't been stocked in many years, and only gets fished
about four times a year, when we can go visit. (These trips will increase 
this summer - I'll be fixing up a pontoon boat....which brings me to my
next question)
	I am going to be repairing a pontoon boat deck and the plastic 
shelter that was crushed by a falling tree limb last spring. The boat 
has been stuck in a shallow part of the pond since it blew free from it's
tie-down and floated across the pond, where it lodged in shallow water.
	I am going to be un-lodging it and fixing it up, and we decided 
it would be a good time to put some regular seats on it - not just
carry down lawn chairs. I am thinking about the swivelling seats they put
in bass boats, the kind with the fold-down back, that would bolt on to the
new decking I'll be putting on. 
	Does anyone have suggestions for a brand or type that can tolerate
always being out in the weather? 
	Well, this turned out to be much longer than I had expected, but I
have seen such generous and sensible advice here on a.f that I thought this
would be the place to come with my questions. Any advice or suggestions
would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

vic@helicon.math.purdue.edu
From: johnkg@hpindda.cup.hp.com (John Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:14:17 GMT
Subject: Re: EARLY SPRING FISHING
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: alt.fishing


Sucker-Fish in Northern California streams and rivers feed on trout
and salmon eggs/fry.  I wouldn't eat one!  I've heard of tournaments
near Reding CA where you get $1 a sucker-fish (which are then killed).

You can catch them on almost any bait.  I've even caught them on 
artifical lures while stealhead fishing. 

Don't know who sponsers these touneys, but I wouldn't be surprised if it
was the CA fish'n'game dept.
From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Lake Trout Info
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:32:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: yuma.1992Apr07.223240.56749
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Apr7.173402.25033@sequent.com> paul@sequent.com writes:
>
> The way I do Lake Trout is to spot them with my fish finder,
>usually in 90  to 150 feet of water and on the bottom

Question: do these fish get the bends (sp?) when you haul them
up to the surface quickly? 

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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