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From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Inspiration (was Re: consort gender)
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:07:09 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <8419@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au> zebee@ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) writes:

>I always wondered what to do about the "inspiration" problem.  I'm not
>in a "relationship" same sx or otherwise, so if I wanted to compete
>in Coronet, what do I do to avoid doing violence to this concept - a concept
>I enjoy *because* it is so high medieval?

>I don't want to just wander up to someone and say "Hey, can I fight
>for you in Coronet".  If I win the damn thing I want to be able to 
>crown the person who *inspired* me to win, the person I really 
>*wanted* to put on the throne.

This is a tricky question. One of my squire brothers won't fight in Crown
or Coronet for just this reason: he has no one who truly inspires him to
fight. This year is the first year I've had someone I love to fight for,
and so far he hasn't been able to come to Crown or Coronet to inspire me,
so I can't tell you the difference yet. :-) I overheard a comment made
by Duke Jade, the first time he fought for Duchess Shaheena, said with
shining eyes and happy face, that it made such a difference fighting for
someone you really loved.

Branwen ferch Emrys
The Mists, the West


--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
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Subject: TV and SCAers
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:19:14 -0500

Tio d'abaco (jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)) writeth:

 JS> I watched "The Princess Bride" [...] with a bunch of
 JS> SCAers, and I didn't hear but one third of the dialog, the remaining
 JS> two thirds being lip-synched by those I was with....

ARGH!  I hate that!  When it's a bunch of people RE-watching a movie they all
have enjoyed a zillion times, fine, but when there's someone around who hasn't
seen it, common courtesy (almost as oxymoronic as common sense!) would dictate
that they should SHUT UP!  If they wanna show off, they can lipsynch SILENTLY!

Which reminds me.  Then there's the spodes who like to show off by quoting
lengthy things in excruciating detail - it never seems to occur to them that
though it may be a mark of intelligence or wit to recognize a connection and
make the allusion, quoting can be done by a parrot.

Maybe this gives some more insight into my attempted SCA name....
       ________
       \  /\  /         Yours in Service to the Dreame,
     ___\/__\/___
     \  /\  /\  /
      \/__\/__\/
       \  /\  /         Simon des Beaux Eaux (say: "seeMOHN day BoZo")
        \/  \/  	Ponte Alto, Atlantia

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From: jvincent@eagle.wesleyan.edu (The Ulair)
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Subject: Pennsic Notes
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:35:33 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University

Good day, all

    Arval wonders whether it would be such a burden to decide ahead of time
(probably several months ahead) that one was going to attend. For some people,
it is not. For others like myself, it is. Vagaries of money,transport, and
other impositions of life (family events like weddings, illness, etc) make
planning anything more than 4-5 weeks in the future virtually impossible.
As this group contains many (though not all) of the college-age members {whom
as I recall from earlier people decided they did not want to scare away with
required memberships} a flexible form of "pre-registration" like the one used
this year seems most workable. 

   With regard to Pennsic War vs Tournament I must say I prefer, at least for
this year, the Tournament. It is a far more honest description of what goes on
at Pennsic in comparison with most medieval military campaigns. Only some
battles conducted by the Norseman were similar to the "OK I'll meet you
Thursday over there with my army. Bring your army and we'll fight". 
Also, I was severly disgusted by the attitudes and behavior both during and
after last year's War. People here may say "We're adults, who know that
everyone here is our friend and nobody is really the Enemy", but such attitudes
seemed in the minority last year. In my area, mention of Pennsic was not to be
made unless for the purpose of some scheme to go "whip them Midrealmers".
   A cooling-off period seemed well in order to me. If you felt it not so, I am
grateful that others live in more level-headed areas.
   Appeals to SCA tradition strike about as well as the Antiquity of Poppin'
Fresh, the Pillsbury Dough Boy. The War wasn't abolished. Adding the Town Battle
was a more fundamental change. Tradition is fine, but when it becomes ossified
it becomes an obstacle. 

        In regards to Land allotment, the system used this year seemed about as
good as any other, with perhaps more flexibility than the Large/Medium/Small
group system.  I seem to recall people contending last year that we really
hadn't begun to strain the campground, but I am rather dubious about this
claim.  For the second time in 4 years I was camped in the extremem rear right
by the cars. With the number of cars this year, I don't see where else people
can be pushed into, unless the Woods Battles keep on being pushed further away
while campers fill in after it. If so, a rearranging of where the Central area
is might be in order.

     -Eirik
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From: Marianne Kinnula <lady@rieska.oulu.fi>
Subject: Italian name documentation - help needed
Organization: University of Oulu
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:57:45 GMT

Greetings!

(I'm sorry of my recent postings - problems with news system)

I'd like to register my name and I'm quite sure there's no difficulties
in it since
my name is from Boccaccio's Decamerone. Anyway, I'd like to know what my 
surname (Chiarmontesi) actually *means*, since it is known that names in 
Decamerone can be quite funny...

I'm really grateful if someone can help me.

Please, reply by e-mail since I have no good possibilities to read Rialto.

Yours,

                           Alessandra Francesca Chiarmontesi
		                       (lady@rieska.oulu.fi)
From: Joe.Bethancourt@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Bethancourt)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
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Subject: Re: a thought
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 00:07:10

 -=> Tim Of Angle said to Ailsa N.t. Murphy on 08-24-92  07:33 <=- 

 AN> can i make my lady queen by my side?

 TOA> Corpora requires that ruling noble couples (I think it just refers to
 TOA> Crowns and Coronets, but it might extend to Baronies as well, I'm
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 TOA> just too lazy to walk across the room and look) be of opposite
 TOA> genders. 

Yup. It does, as witness our single Founding Baroness of SunDragon (Alys
Carvelsdottir, whose praises I shall sing for ever).......

                                                -Ioseph of Locksley
                                                 Grumpy Peer


... 1650: Diana said it, I believe it, and that settles it!
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Land Allocation
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:09:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.042115.27413@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:

>If you want  to be allowed to pay extra money for more camping space, then
>you sould volunteer to be Autocrat and then you can set the rules according
>to your personal agenda. I warn you though, Autocrats who do this are not
>looked on favourably by the rest of the populace, and many of these may be
>folk you will have to deal with locally for the rest of the time you're in
>the SCA. 

Interesting question.  I rather like the idea of an autocrat who volunteers
from a sense of enlightened self-interest.  A sense of martyrdom shouldn't
be the only possible reason to volunteer.

Autocrats who do _anything_ are "not looked on favourably by the rest of the
populace", and accusations that the Pennsic Autocrat has done things because
of a personal agenda are common regardless of actual intentions.

The job of War Autocrat has traditionally been taken by somebody with a vast
capacity for taking on work.  As such, the job has in the past been a gruel-
ling one.  It would be impressive to see it taken on by somebody who is good
at delegating responsibility.

Aryk Nusbacher

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From: amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: lefty fighters
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:30:45 GMT

In article <9208290031.AA19952@math.bu.edu> jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki) writes:
>Hey, waittaminute....let's not give the wrong impression out there.
>Lefty fighters don't intentionally _practice_ groin shots (not so far
>as I know) but almost _any_ regular shot they throw to the leg has the
>potential of hitting the groin with even a slight change of angle.
>Why, to suggest that lefties are _deliberately_ practicing groin shots
>is nothing short of sinister....;-)

<giggle> Yes, that is true, says little Sebastian, after his first
practice in a very long time. Advice to fighters: _never_ offer yourself
up as a pell to practice calibration! (Harder, I say. And harder it
_was_! )   

Do you lefties out there find that an upwards swing to the other
fighter's right side _really_ useful? I do, but I am careful with it, 
The shots wind up often in the armpit. Then again, it has resulted in
much tighter stanes! :)

Sinisterly yours
Sebastian



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From: chase@mcis.messiah.EDU
Subject: From a new reader
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 17:08:18 GMT

Item Subject: SCA.TIM
Hail, and well met good gentles of the Rialto-

On Sept. 22, at the _Pennsylvania Renaissance Faire_, I met a
lady of whose garb upon which was inscribed the word Pennsic.  My
curiosity t'was piqued as to if this lady herself be associated
with the SCA.  If not, I am interested in meeting those other's
in the Harrisburg area.  Be there is anybody in the general
proximity, I was wondering if thou wouldst contact me via mine
Father via the above email.  I am interested in correspondence
with those to whom the above discription fits.

PS: I don't nomally talk like the above; I talk like your regular
sophmore. :)

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From: sbloch@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca (Stephen Bloch)
Subject: Re: Ps & Qs; Thees & Thous
Organization: Computer Science, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:30:18 GMT

Gwydden wrote :

>Was this really period practice, other than in the King James bible?
>I never did understand why God didn't get "you"'d by all-- if a king of
>flesh and blood was worth of being a "you", how much more so God?

Coni Britten answered :

>I suppose it's because you would "thee/thou" your father so therefore
>you thee/thou your Father.  :-)

I've been wondering about this for a long time.  I developed the
pleasant fantasy that it was because "there's no point trying to
flatter the Almighty."
But let's return to relatively solid ground.  I recall looking up
"thou" in the OED two or three years ago to answer a question on the
Rialto about its proper usage (la plus que change...)  Somebody else's
turn; surely the OED says something about the use of "thou" for the
Deity.

Anton precised :

>(French, by the way, has a pair of regular verbs for using one or the other
>mode of address:  TUTOYE(R) and VOUVOYE(R).)

German too, by the way: "duzen" and "siezen".  And both as regular as
you could please.

			     mar-Joshua ibn-Eleazar ha-Shalib
-- 
					Stephen Bloch
				sbloch@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: The Pennsic non-War
Date: 26 Aug 1992 20:42:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <92239.122500HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>Anyway, Margaret says that I should tell you all that the reason why the
>decision to make the War/Fair seemed like a secret to y'all was because the
>Royalties didn't *decide* to make it a Tourney instead of a War until *SUNDAY*
>night before the War.
>
>And yes, Ruslan did come very close to breaking the (fiberglass) War Arrow. He
>was a bit pumped.  (It actually started spintering - I was about 15 feet behind
>him, holding a poleaxe and watching the show).
>
Maybe it's time I posted this--I wrote it at Prince Alfred's behest,
to present to Their Median Majesties when Duke Palymar had us all to
dinner there (pork roast with yummy cream sauce, I want the recipe).

BALLADE OF THE PENNSIC XXI SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE CONFLICT

The Kingdoms gather upon the plain
Under the lash of an azure sky;
Here on the grass made rich with rain
The troops assemble to fight and die.
But where is the War-Horn's urgent cry?
The Midrealm searches through each valise;
They've left it home, and the East cries, "Fie!
We came for war, and they gave us peace!"

The bold War-Arrow to break in twain
The Midrealm's Ronin raises high:
It bends like a stalk of golden grain;
He lets it fall, and the fighters sigh.
Now Eastern Ruslan his strength will try;
Unbroken still must the shaft release;
"Our bold ambitions the gods deny:
We came for war, and they gave us peace!"

The people's faces grow pale with pain
At the thought of traditions cast awry:
The ladies weep, and the knights complain;
Then Katya catches her sister's eye.
The Queens step forward and speak: "Now, why
Should our people mourn if wars should cease?
We'll hold a tourney, to glorify
That we came for war, and they gave us peace!"

L'Envoi:
Prince, this chanced while you were not by; *
Well may you marvel at fate's caprice!
These words I've fashioned to testify:
We came for war, and they gave us peace.

----------
* Alfred had taken a two-day jaunt to Williamsburg to study shoemaking.
"See what you get for missing staff meetings?"


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.

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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: consort gender
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 19:29:20 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  Jafar wrote:

> I think that same sex consorts might be considered under the ruling as
> swasticas and pentagrams.  

I don't think so.  The swastika and the pentagram may not be registered in
SCA armory because the corporation does not want to give its sanction to
the use of these symbols which are intimately associated in the modern mind
with mass murder.  Equating that with the possible bad publicity which
might arise from having a same-sex ruling couple is a rather questionable
leap of logic.

The requirement for a mixed sex ruling couple is simply a reflection of our
focus on the ideals of courtly love: An chivalrous warrior fights for the
glory of his lady/her lord.  One's lady or lord is one's inspiration;
sleeping arrangements have nothing whatsoever to do with the matter and are
nobody's business but your own.  It is a social convention, based on the
social conventions of the period we re-create.

===========================================================================
Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: period songs
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:04:47 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <9208291459.aa10754@mc.lcs.mit.edu> SHICOFF@unc.oit.unc.EDU writes:

>This has it's drawbacks, of course, esp. combined with
>the fact that I DETEST POINTING OUT that a song is peroid
>/giving documentation when performing.  I find it jarring in
>the extreme.  Come to me later & ask, & I'll cheerfully
>tell you as much as I know about a song. 

	It is possible to quote your documentation 'in persona'. Say you
learned the song from a travelling troubadour somewhere in Burgundy, or
you read the story in the Decameron or wherever. If it's period for you,
your persona knows where he learned it. 
						-Ilaine


-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Ilaine's E-Z Garb Workshop
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Before you can spin the wool, you need to comb it.
                   | 	Use the combs with the 5 rows of 6" razor sharp spikes.
From: Allen.Pitts@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Allen Pitts)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
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Subject: Robin Hood Recast
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 19:37:00 -0500

To: jlee@smylex.UUCP (Jeff Lee)
.
M'Lord Godfrey....
I thank thee for the casting in the Friar Tuck role, and do accept the 
calling for auditions (feasts being one of my more enjoyed activities).
I also wish to thank thee for thy aid at Pennsic.  Your few comments 
did indeed help.  In short, (how does one say this without boasting?)
well.....\
Last Sunday I became the first LUDICROUS BOWMAN!  I have scores of 121, 
121 and 120? I have been hot lately!)  The real shift came in gettin
those last 6-7 points and your suggestions on the speed rounds did it 
as I went from 5 to 7 accurately aimed bolts. (Thanks).
Now the question is what (if anything) the kingdom may want to do with 
it, and where do I go from here until my recurve is fixed (it blew up).
Lord Ailean Mac an Daroch
.

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From: mabr@sweden.hp.COM (Morgan the Dreamer Broman)
Subject: Pensic Snit
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 11: 38:08 METDST
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:40:45 GMT


	What a great upset, they called it a Tourney and not a War !!!

	Sorry, could not help myself...I have been to five Pennsics, XV,
	XVII, XIX, XX(as prince) and XXI, and this last one was the best
	one yet.

	Why ? Because for some interesting reason it seemed more relaxed
	than any of the previous ones. The "Friendship Battle" was great
	fun, though we were beaten soundly. I have never felt so safe with
	so much red tape around me.

	Now if this was due to the fact that it was called a War or not I
	cannot tell, but there was definitely a different athmosphere after
	the "declaration of war"...
	Oh yes, I also shouted "War, war, war" when it happened. That was
	my first gut reaction. But when I thought about I felt no great
	difference when I escorted their Highnesses out.

	Historically, what we are doing at Pennsic is more of a 12th century
	tourney than a war. Though some will argue that nobles did not die
	very often in later period real wars, the reason for that was more
	ransom than consideration for their lives.
	Now of course we could introduce the taking of prisoners at Pennsic.

	The city(town) battle, was like a widefront bridgebattle...the wider
	front making breakthroughs possible. I did break through with a few
	men at the right flank, lot's of fun. In the future it may be better
	to make it an irregular village and with tresures in the houses, or
	with points given for occupied buildings.

	For what it's worth.....
--
Morgan "the Dreamer" Broman			mabr@sweden.hp.com
a.k.a Morgan deGrey (in the S.C.A)
a.k.a Morlacad "Shade" ShadowHawk (in L.R.P.G)
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From: jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter)
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Subject: Re: Viking Tents
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:27:54 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.sca
Organization: The Rialto

Greetings all from Angharad ver' Rhuawn.  Thora Sharptooth posted,

>I'd like to add my two cents to the Viking tent conversation, and incidentally
>to make a few points about the book mentioned by Siobhan.
>
>With respect to tents, there are references in several sagas to the use of
>tents for camping on land during ship voyages--not least in the trip to
>Vinland.  It is pretty unlikely that sod foundations were built up for these
>tents before they were pitched; of course, the sod booth foundations at
>Thingvellir did offer a somewhat more commodious way to tent for a week
>(someday maybe the Coopers will let me do this...).  Incidentally, if anyone
>wants information on the textile thought to be the tent canvas at Oseberg,
>please e-mail me for the source.

I too think that it is very likely that such tents were used at least for brief
periods -- you pull in at dusk; it's easier than building sod walls before bed
time....  My real reservation is as to whether anyone ever travelled anywhere
with the plan to stay there for more than a week, in a viking tent without the
foundation.  And lord knows, whatever the answer, they beat plastic domes....

It would probably be really neat to use them with the foundation that we know
they often had, though -- you'd get much more usable space for the same square
footage and some labor.  Wonder what we could do for sod.....

I may have managed, through ineptitude, to sound anti-Viking-tent.  On the
contrary: making Viking tents work even better is a marvelous notion, given that
they are cheap, easy to make, and require essentially no rope space.  They just
aren't very realistic, even _with_ foundation, for Europeans or middle easterners
from the 14th C.... <Sigh.>  Well, you can't have everything....

Cheers,

-- Angharad/Terry
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From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: Grand Pennsic
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:11:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.173606.27508@progress.com> schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei) writes:
>From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
>Subject: Re: Grand Pennsic
>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:36:06 GMT
>T Archer says:
>  I still don't have it clear why the Pensic War has suddenly gained a 
>  politically correct name.
>
>Because the Kings and Queens of the Middle and East made it so.  In
>the words of Douglas Adams "This has been widely regarded as a bad move."
>
>Don't expect the Pennsic Mistake to be repeated.  I'm sure hoping it
>won't be.
>
>	Tibor
>--
>Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)

I will prpbably continue to refer to it as the Pensic Snit until after the 
next Snit.
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