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From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: 'Bama in the computer rankings
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:20:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.171511.7529@b11.b11.ingr.com>, guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com
(That's me!) wrote:

|> I did note that *none* of the various "systems" predicted Alabama to win over 
|> Miami except Chris Stassen's.

    Oops!  That should read "*none* of the various "systems" in Chris Stassen's
CFPOOL entries predicted Alabama to win over Miami except John Mace's."

    Sorry John and good call!

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From: ethan@earl.scd.ucar.edu (Ethan Alpert)
Subject: Re: Final AP Poll
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college 
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:50:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.185141.8139@bnlux1.bnl.gov> niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.125048.6704@dbsun.uucp> harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
>>	Rank   School              Record   Points
>>	------------------------------------------
>>	  13   Colorado             9-2-1      818
>>	  14   Nebraska             9-3-0      771
>
>How in Aunt Fannie's Corset can Nebraska be ranked lower than Colordo?
>Nebraska thoroughly beat Colorado in the regular season and both lost
>in bowl games.  In addition, there's the Buffs tie to Oklahoma.

The only exception is that CU's loss in their bowl was not a disgracefull 
pummeling like Nebraska's. In fact CU held 'cuse to 260 yards of total offense
which is 140 yards less than their average. Also CU put up 360+ yards of offense
and had more first downs. Then there is the fact that CU could have one if
the kicker had shown up and if the refs knew the rules. 

In Nebraska's case their bowl loss would have been a huge blow out if it weren't
for the rain(the greate equalizer).

The bottom line is that the 52-7 game earlier this season doesn't mean anything.

CU played #6 'Cuse very close and it was anybodies game until the last 5 min and
NU couldn't compete with the #2 team.

>
>First there was the perennial bias against the Huskers in the electronic
>media starting with ABC and Keith Jackson, now it's the voters.  I would
>have reversed the positions and possibly put the Huskers at #11.
>
>Dave
>
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Suggestion to the NCAA
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 05:38:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.042615.5822@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
kschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karl C Schudt) wrote:

>      My Suggestion:
> 
>      Let players who do not get drafted keep their eligibility.

These are big boys, not children. They're old enough to think and 
decide things for themselves. They don't deserve such a saftey
net - the rest of the student body doesn't get anything remotely
like it! I know a few people that left college early to work, with
every intention of going back but haven't.

James
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From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Subject: Ohio State Citrus Bowl thoughts
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: rec
Date: 4 Jan 93 09:45:13

A couple of reflections on the Buckeyes loss in the Citrus Bowl:

1. Early on, it looked like another game without much emotion.  Fortunately,
they seemed to turn it around late in the first quarter or this game would
have been a blowout.

2. Kirk Herbstreit was a dud.  I don't know what happened between the end of
November and January 1, but it wasn't good for Kirk.  His throws were off
all day and he didn't seem to be showing the type of leadership (e.g.
running down the field to congratulate receivers after a big catch) he has
in the past.  I did get a big laugh when the announcers said Kirk really
wasn't very mobile - more of a sit-in-the-pocket type of QB.

3. Why the play-action pass?  Georgia had just scored a go ahead touchdown
with four minutes and change left to play.  Ohio State had been pounding
Georgia's defense for the last two and a half quarters showing they could
move the ball at will on the ground (and not very effectively through the
air).  So what happens?  Three straight passing plays (and three straight
incompletions) with OSU's best receiver on the sideline.  I for one was
distraught. 

4. Robert Smith backed up his claim.  Several weeks ago, Robert Smith
claimed he had as much talent as Garrison Hearst.  If you looked at the
stats midway through the fourth quarter, they were almost identical.
Unfortunately for Robert, his team abandoned him for the crucial final
drives while Georgia allowed Hearst to show his stuff.  Big mistake IMO.


All in all, I thought Ohio State had a pretty mediocre day.  The first
quarter and most of the fourth were disasters while the second and third
were good Big10 football.  Credit Georgia for jumping out early, but
question Ohio State's tactics late in the game.  Oh well, there's always
next year.


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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:33:47 GMT

In article <1459@fozzy.UUCP> ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com writes:
> I was doing some research the other night and came across some
> information which could explain the usage of an elephant for the
> Alabama Crimson Tide mascot.
>
> Apparently, in the 6th century in India, the Sultan's pack of Indian
> elephants escaped and were charging aimlessly around the city of Delhi.
> The elephants were decorated in crimson, the Indian color of royalty.
> The citizens of Delhi had to flee the charging band of elephants and
> were reported to have warned others of the approaching "crimson tide",
> an obvious allusion to monsoon season in India.
>
> To this day, a pack of wild elephants is referred to as a "crimson tide"
> throughout the Indian region of Asia.

Early newspaper accounts of Alabama football simply referred to the team
as the "varsity" or the "Crimson and White", after the school colors.
The name "Crimson Tide" was first used by Hugh Roberts, former sports
editor of the Birmingham Age-Herald.  He used the name in describing
the 1907 Alabama-Auburn game.  The field was a sea of red mud (many
parts of Alabama have red clay soil) and Alabama played a great game,
holding heavily favored Auburn to a 6-6 tie.

The origin of the elephant mascot goes back to the 1930 season. when
Wallace Wade was coach.  Everett Strupper, a sportswriter for the
Atlanta Journal, wrote an article describing the Alabama-Mississippi
game.  Here are a few quotes from his article.

  "Coach Wade started his second team that was plenty big and they went
   right to their knitting scoring a touchdown in the first quarter
   against one of the best fighting small lines that I have seen.  For
   Ole Miss was truly battling the big boys for every inch of ground."

  "At the end of the quarter, the earth started to tremble, there was
   a distant rumble that continued to grow.  Some excited fan in the
   stands bellowed, `Hold your horses, the elephants are coming,' and
   out stamped this Alabama varsity."

  "It was the first time that I had seen it and the size of the entire
   eleven nearly knocked me cold, men that I had seen play last year
   looking like they had nearly doubled in size."

Strupper and other writers continued to refer to the Alabama linemen
as "Red Elephants".  The 1930 posted a 10-0 record, shutting out 8
opponents, and rolled over Washington St. in the Rose Bowl to win the
national championship.

Source: Alabama Football Illustrated - The First One Hundred Years,
	"The Elephant Story" and "How the Crimson Tide Got Its Name",
	page 150.

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:38:01 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 450@rd1.interlan.com, tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) writes:
>mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>>tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) wrote:
>>}
>>}A lot is said about Miami's home field advantage when they play in the
>>}Orange Bowl, but no one seems to care that the SEC enjoys the same
>>}advantage when they play in the Sugar.  
>>
>>No one seems to care because it's not true.  It would only be the
>>same advantage if Alabama played the Sugar Bowl in Bryant-Denny
>>Stadium or Legion Field in Birmingham.  And plenty of people 
>>certainly do care that Alabama gets to play the SEC championship
>>in their home stadium.  Alabama has played in the Superdome about
>>as often in the last ten years as Miami has (3 times apiece, I think.)
>>
>>The crowd is only one part of the home field advantage, and Alabama
>>certainly enjoyed a less partisan crowd in the Sugar Bowl than 
>>Miami gets in the Orange Bowl.
>
>I was at both this year's Sugar Bowl and last year's Orange Bowl and the
>Sugar Bowl was definitively louder than the Orange was last year.  
>
>And other that the crowd, what other home field advantage does the Orange
>Bowl gives the Hurricanes?

Seems to me since it is their home field, that they would be used to the
surroundings, the pitch of the field, little intangible things that come
with playing there 6 times or so during the regular season. 

>
>>
>>}                                        At least Miami doesn't play in
>>}the Orange every year.
>>
>>What??!?!?  Miami plays 6 or 7 games in the Orange Bowl every year.
>>
>
>I meant that Miami doesn't play in the Orange Bowl Classic every year,
>as the SEC does in the Sugar Bowl.
>
>My point is that the SEC as a whole (not just Alabama) receives as much
>of an advantage when playing in the Sugar Bowl as Miami does when playing
>in the OBC.  

It's easy to say and impossible to prove, but if Alabama and Miami had met
in the Orange Bowl instead of the Sugar, I think the game would have come
out differently.  Considering the outcome of the Sugar, Bama probably would
have won anyway, but you never know.  Take it from the 'Noles, there's just
something about Miami and the Orange Bowl ...

>
>-- 
>
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>
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Miami strategy?
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:14:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.211053.9348@leland.Stanford.EDU> daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes:

>Thomas lost the ball because he didn't bother to carry it with his
>left hand, the hand closest to the sideline.  Had the ball been in his
>left hand, even if Teague knocks it out, it probably goes out of bounds
>and Miami has the ball deep in Alabama territory.  In other words,
>Thomas blew this play because he didn't pay attention to the
>fundamentals of the game.  

This is exactly correct.

>I think Alabama simply out-prepared Miami for this game, especially
>on the defensive side.  Miami's offense was completely shut down,
>and they seemed to have no innovative plays to get them started.
>It seems as though Miami's coaching staff overlooked the fact that
>Alabama's Stallings had spent many years in the NFL facing much more
>sophisticated and talented offenses than Miami.

I believe that this preparation was the difference in the game.

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From: bacchus@bnr.ca (Mark Bacchus)
Subject: Re: Bama National Champs!
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Norcross, GA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1993 15:37:34 GMT

In article <1iaa3pINNfjq@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> Timothy Tsai writes:
>anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman) writes:
>>In article <aggie-040193111418@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, I R A Aggie writes:
>>
>>|> I know the first one in the 3rd quarter led to a TD. What's a defense to
>>|> do? your offense just *gives* the ball to the other guys inside the your
>>|> own 30 yard line. 
>>
>>I know you're joking here, but some unbelievers have tried to pretend those
>>turnovers by the Canes were bad luck. I'm sorry, but interceptions like that 
>>are SKILL, dammit. Not to mention running down a wide-open receiver and taking
>>the ball from him.
>
>Even though Alabama played great defense, IMHO, the main reason for those
>interceptions was Torretta.  It was a combination of good defense and bad
>offense.

Absolutely.  Torretta is not a lousy quarterback, but he played a lousy
game.  He was rattled, frustrated, overwhelmed, and in a "blur".  For
THAT you have to give credit to the Crimson Tide defense.  Copeland and
Curry didn't make any big headlines Friday night, but they played an
integral role in getting into Torretta's head, and making him make mistakes.
-- 
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From: elfering@socrates.umd.edu (David J. Elfering)
Subject: Re: WE BACK GOES TO NFL
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:24:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.062434.22675@news.unomaha.edu> jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III) writes:
>Nebraska's Derek Brown (a junior) declared himself for the NFL draft 30
>minutes before the deadline!  I must admit I really hate this! He was told 
>he would probably go between the 2nd and 4th rounds.  Frankly, I would be 
>surprised if that happens with all the great backs coming out this year.
>
>Oh well, guess the Huskers will be stuck with Calvin Jones racking up Hiesman
>type numbers :)
>
It's kind of a shame he decided to do this at this point, he'll be marked
as an "injured" player since he had his shoulder seperated this year, and
I really think another year of exposure would have been better for him. Oh
well, I hope th best for the guy, hope he gets picked up by some team
looking for a bargain! On the bright side, this should make things wide
open for Calvin Jones, who's arguably a better back.... Look out next
year, I'll put cash money on Calvin not gaining less than 1300 to 1500
yards rushing as well as 150 to 200 yards receiving.

Dave Elfering  - A Husker fan in ACC land
elfering@socrates.umd.edu

>
>                                                Joe Citro III
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From: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: FOR SALE 
Keywords: 
	Misc. Flood damaged Miami Hurricane junk - including :
Reply-To: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:51:39 GMT

	1 - overrated, used and abused (not to mention dazed) Quarterback

	1 - trashed offensive line

	1 - thrashed defensive line

	1 - "candy" taken from a loud-mouthed baby on the Bama 5 yard line

	1 - pulverized running back (also w/ big mouth - recently smashed)
		good for less than 50 yards in a big game

	1 - very large pile of crow feathers - left behind from stuffed
		Miami players, fans  and Lee Corso (espN YOUR FACE)

	1 - undeserved Heisman Trophy

	100 (give or take a few)  1992 NATIONAL CHAMPION rings with "Miami"
		enscribed on one side.

	Millions of assorted t-shirts, sweat shirts and other junk with
	"Miami Hurricanes '92 National Champs" - compliments of the
	entire press corp.

	
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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:39:15 GMT

In article <C0K4IM.7ox@encore.com>
jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
> Actually, according to the Audibon Society bible, the Ibis is the
> only bird that when cooked (and it doesn't matter what method is
> used to cook it) does not taste good with barbecue sauce.

Must be using the wrong wood.  Try mesquite.

> I've heard that some people from the deep south (somewhere between
> Miami and Washington D.C.)

AL, AR, GA, KY, LA, MS, NC, SC, TN, TX, VA, and parts of FL.

> ... will eat buzzard meat if you put a good barbecue sauce on it.

Tain't so!  The buzzard is protected `cause we'll need them to remove
the corpses of all the fallen yanks during the next rebellion. :-)

> We in Miami don't have first hand knowledge of this of course since
> we are the sixth borough on New Yak.

I see that reality has set in.  But its not too late.  I have a friend
who has changed my life, and he can change yours too.  Yes, a better
life awaits you only a few hundred miles away.  Even a wretched Miami
fan, living in misery among millions of transplanted yankees, can walk
the path of the Crimson, if you'll only believe in The Bear.  He'll give
your life new meaning.  With his guidance and coaching, you will turn
away from the false prophets and stroll down the enlightened path of
life, your heart filled with a new found sense of Tide Pride.

And when your days on earth are over, you'll join Him in that great
Sugar Bowl in the sky, where every meal is catered by Dreamland, and
the tea is always freshly brewed.  There'll be plenty of ice cold Coca-
Cola and Golden Flake potato chips for everyone.  All will join hands
and dance around the observation tower to the sounds of "Sweet Home
Alabama" and "Jesus Just Left Chicago (bound for New Orleans)".

But woe is he who turns away from The Bear and shuns the enlightened
Crimson path.  For on that final day of recruiting, he will be weighed
in the balance and found wanting.  And The Bear will say "Depart from
me, for I never knew you." And lo, those wretched souls will be banished
to a cold and dismail place called New York City where there is much
wailing and gnashing of teeth.  For the reward of the believer is an
eternal life of peace, harmony, and great barbeque.  But the fate of the
nonbeliever is to spend eternity in pain and sorrow, never to feast at
the table of The Bear. 

Insert as necessary:  :-) :-) :-)

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From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl comments
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:25:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.061458.5597@dbsun.uucp>, harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan6.014248.23179@bnlux1.bnl.gov>
|> niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr) writes:
|> > And ABC and Keith Jackson are the biggest biased organization and person
|> > to boot.  ...
|> > I'd hate to have them broadcast my son's Little League baseball games;
|> > they'd probably put down 10-16 year old kids also.
|> 
|> I wonder if you have the names confused.  During the Sugar Bowl, it was
|> Bob Griese (sp?) who made most of the negative comments.  He frequently
|> used phrases such as "poorly thrown pass" or "poorly executed play" when
|> describing Barker's performance.  His analysis was correct, but I would
|> not want to be Barker's parents or grandparents back home watching the
|> game when he said that.  Jackson seems to be a more sensitive to the
|> fact that the players are still young, and have some proud parents and
|> grandparents watching. 

    Speaking of Greise, the most comical of his comments was regarding Bob
Marley's son.  It was on a running play where he rushed toward the ball
carrier, was blocked out of the play, and came back in time to fall on the pile.
Greise said "You can see Marley avoiding the block" as the Alabama blocker (was
it Martin Houston?) flipped him into the air and landed him on his back behind the
play.  Then Greise said "And he still comes back to make the tackle."  That and
his "You've got to feel sorry for Miami" were classic.

|> Jackson is more at home covering SEC games, and we are more than happy
|> to have him.  If the rest of the country doesn't appreciate his style,
|> then we'll be happy to take Jackson and give you Mushbrain.

    Agreed, I turned off the sound of the game Mushmouth and Dick Schlamiel
broadcast this year and listened to the Alabama football network on the radio.
I was terrified that they would be broadcasting the Sugar Bowl because I had
heard rumors that Jackson would be doing the Rose (yawn) Bowl.  Fortunately, it
didn't come to pass and Jackson was where he belonged.  Jackson gets my vote as
the best as well.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu (Douglas Brod)
Subject: Re: Ohio State Football - No fun, no futur
Reply-To: dbrod@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:54:11 GMT

In article 93Jan4151417@bbq.bae.bellcore.com, doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
>
>excuse me, but 8-3-1 is a winning program.  It's also our best record under
>Cooper (and an improvement over last year which was an improvement over the
>previous year).  Ohio State is not some insignificant nobody on the map of
>college football.  We're still a highly respect power.

In an unrespected conference.

[Pro-Cooper stuff deleted]

Cooper should be able to fire up the players with a pre-game or halftime pep
talk if he's a good coach.  A good coach can get the players psyched up to beat
a higher-ranked opponent.  How did the Buckeyes ever beat Syracuse?

Doug Brod
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