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From: lowen@lorc.eskimo.com (Lamar Owen)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?
Date: 9 Dec 92 12:58:38 GMT
Organization: LORC Enterprises

In <92339.134349SPIT@EVALUN11.BITNET> Werenfried Spit <SPIT@EVALUN11.BITNET> writes:
>Worse are the wars on talk.politics.soviet, soc.culture.*** by
>people who flood the net trying to prove that some ethnic group
>is responsible for all evil in this world. Right now there is
>a SERDAR posting about 1GByte a week on how the Greeks and the
>Armenians supposedly conspire to idontknowwhat. You can imaine
>the kind of response.

Oh crud... Not Serdar Argic again (aka Hassan B Mutlu).  Argghhh...
This is one of the most hard headed posters I've read.  Definitely has a
serious chip on his shoulder.  Also a forger.  I used to archive 
news.admin.*, but traffic got a little too high.... :-)

His cardinal sin is cross-posting all over the world, using up to 40 
newsgroups at a time.


-- 

Lamar Owen, Systems Consultant          | If there were a tax on syn,
GE Lighting Systems, Hendersonville, NC | we'd all be broke.
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology
From: tel@adimail.uucp (Terry Monks)
Subject: Re: Proper pronounciation of 'Kibo'
Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology
Organization: Automata Design, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:13:53 GMT

Robert O'Brien (obrien@netcom.com) wrote:
: Well??  Don't leave us all waiting....
: 
: 	How _do_ you make a pronoun derived from the proper noun "Kibo"?????
: 
You don't need to, the pronoun concept is included in the word, which
declines
		  Kibo
		  Kibas
		  Kibat
		  Kibamus
		  Kibant
		  Klaatu     (Kibare is *very* irregular)

Terry "De Kibamus non curat aliquis" Monks

-- 
Terry Monks        Automata Design Inc    (703) 742-9400

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.sys.pdp8
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
Subject: Re: The NOVA and the PDP-11 (Was Re: WANTED: PDP-10 or 11)
Organization: Generic American College Kids (G.A.C.K.)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:35:34 GMT
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

tyzuk@cs.UAlberta.CA (Tyzuk William N) writes:
>
>Lessee now... I think it was a CDC1700 mini that had a 256k word (??)
>drum (actually a disk but they called it a drum) which came with a plastic
>hammer and maintenance manual which prescribed tapping the cards with
>the hammer to cure intermittant faults!  This was an actual recommended and
>authorized maintenance procedure!  Sigh.... the good ol' days :-)  NOT.

Good ol' days my bleeding arse.  We have a pack of Sun SPARCstations here at
CTR with cut-rate hard drives that freeze up whenever we power down.  The best
way to unfreeze them (saith my boss, and I've seen him do it with excellent
results) is to tap them with a hammer.  Lightly, of course.

Seth L. Blumberg          \ Warning: This posting has been determined to cause
slb22@columbia.edu (play)   \ cancer in laboratory animals.  Please make sure
sethb@ctr.columbia.edu (work) \ that no white mice are allowed to read it.  
    > No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: bugs@netsys.com (Mark Hittinger)
Subject: Re: What is so greate about the PDP 10?
Organization: Netsys Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:41:18 GMT

peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

>Crowing that the -11 users are finally getting their comeuppance is sad:
>I'm an -11 fan and even I think DEC has kept it alive (or been forced to
>keep it alive) way longer than I ever expected.


We were checking used prices the other day and noticed that the used
price of the vax8650 had fallen below that of the used high end pdp-11.

I'm waiting for my favorite PDP-11 groupie to call me up and give me
some crap about that (I committed the foul deed of converting to, learning,
managing, and advocating Vaxes).  Oh well - I'll just ask him when he thinks
he can port WNT to the 11! 

are we going to be able to get a KL emulator before 1999?

"you can hack anything you want - with TECO and DDT!"
From: daniel@mertwig.uucp (Daniel Drucker)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: a puzzle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:54:46 EST
Reply-To: daniel%mertwig@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Drucker)
Organization: Abnormalities of Reality

A friend of mine gave me this puzzle a few days ago. That alone should be a
clue. I struggled with it for hours before realizing that it wasn't what I
thought. It is a good example of computer-programmer's-overthink.

begin
BIJiGKl0QJd3FIZXPodkEY33K2d80aVdGIdoQ1BdFIZnPYJZR2pVGr-n
C5-dEohaRpJtBaFjOqxpIHJYN3-jFa3dA1RoG2hGF1Z5Q1A8O3BAGad0
hqFgaX3Gp2R9poV6yKx1GLFCFqt4A2hNQ2ZNBqd5A5-gEZcrA37MHbF4
IKpkKUdcGoV0JoxmJYRdAqZbA0hcC2VoEa6hPIx9R4xCJpJLHnFiIKxC
GKNEAZ7KG1AnEox7AoZEMZ7o0aVEKIMlIXAhG4wmQXVjAqJ-GIclEJ7N
QYtOEYVCAodhQLBoHL77lIx9iYdHdItYa3QfyHNLsLM8O133N4hFMJdd
Zb7FKXR1I2QrFpVJPoN8FXZ4PYMnG2dYQoRMIWo8O2Z6KaUtG27LC53C
PnMk8pQsG4R0A0phHohoPotLJJR8KKV9AYdaFYZoMI7NEaZ5GrVfGK3o
EXArCIRjAqN8MKhcAGpCG3UrB2NOHb35QXN4G2d-G1FFO1VhBaFmBpdG
end

Note: It shouldn't take more than a few minutes, if you know what
you're doing. No passwords or encryption are involved.

Good luck. Please mail me with the solution if and when you get it.



--
Daniel Drucker        N2SXX       Coconut seashells whispering to me
daniel%mertwig@uunet.uu.net         "Forever, forever, my Coda..."
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Subject: Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?
Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
Reply-To: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Organization: Stanford University Academic Information Resources
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:55:40 GMT

In article <Bz871J.9Au@NeoSoft.com>, peter@NeoSoft (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.200339.24848@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>> In article <Bz3zJI.B0o@sci.kun.nl> hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder) writes:
>> >It started much earlier, as a flame war, but in 300 B.C. someone pulled the
>> >plug on the Usenet link between Greece and Turkey, hoping that that would
>> >stop the flames coming in.  It didn't work out quite the way he expected.
>
>> Who was in tthe Backbone Cabal then?
>
>Well, the main backbone was between olympus.org (the sysop was a hothead named
>Haephestus, but Zeus pulled all the strings) and athens.gov, with a sandalnet
>connection to sparta.mil. The connection to troy.gov was handled by bulk mail.
>The big flame war got started when paris@athens.gov was running the vote for
>the golden.apple group, but the real argument got started when Meneleus
>accused achilles@troy.gov of stealing the vote, or the winner, or something...
>the details are kind of muddy. We don't even know if one of the main players
>was helen@troy.gov or helen@athens.gov, but we do know she could handle 1000
>MIPS.

That's paris@troy.gov, menelaus@sparta.mil, achilles@tiryns.gov (I think),
agamemnon@mycenae.gov, and helen@sparta.mil/@troy.gov.

Side argument was between Achilles and Agamemnon, caused by apollo@olympus.org.
-- 
Rich Alderson   'I wish life was not so short,' he thought.  'Languages take
                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: "FOO" and Re: 8008 related to PDP-11? (was: What is so greate ...)
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:23:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.230420.20471@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser") writes:
>
>(Note--I was born 20 years too late to have been a PDP-8 hacker.  I'm just a
>Charles J. Lasner wanna-be.)

*Real* PDP-8's are currently available in various forms.  You have to do some
of your own maintainence and scrounging, and there is a reasonably "network"
of experts on the hardware side of things.  All it takes is some "sweat" to
have one.

For wimpier people, there are emulators, but in any case, they are available.
For revisionist types, there are DECmates, but no front panels possible.  (An
emulator may have a graphical interface that emulates the original front
panel switches, etc.)

Read alt.sys.pdp8 for more details.

cjl
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Apple ][e emulator (?)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:11:28 GMT

In article <Bz822M.Bv@world.std.com> dp@world.std.com (Jeff DelPapa) writes:
> A former co-worker wrote a trash-80 emulator for the symbolics lisp
> machine. I have no idea what happend to the code or the author
> (Dinarte Morais).

You Don't Want To Know. Acts Such As This Awaken Shub-Internet, And The
Perpetrator Is Rarely Heard From Again.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.french,news.admin.misc,news.future,comp.std.internat
From: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Subject: Re: 8-bit news
Reply-To: pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Pierre Jelenc)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:54:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.044314.10327@qiclab.scn.rain.com> Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org writes:

>
>Actually, even "PC compatible" gear can use ISO Latin-1! You just have to
>have EGA or VGA and install the proper "code page". I'd give details,
>but I misplaced that manual. (Arrrggghhh!)
>
>So it *is possible, just inconvenient. 
>-- 
Assuming that the PC has the Latin 1 code page loaded, how does one get
it to display netnews and email that comes in as 8 bit to the Unix
system, but shows up as 7-bit on the screen of the PC connected to
the Unix?

Pierre



Pierre Jelenc                        pcj1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu 
                                    Columbia University, New York
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: WANTED: PDP-10 or 11
Organization: Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:17:03 -0500

In article <1992Dec10.140932.14743@seas.gwu.edu>, dutcher@seas.gwu.edu (Sylvia Dutcher) writes:
>>-10s and -20s were always doomed to be outnumbered by the -11 because most
>>of the former used at least one of the -11s as a terminal front end... :-D.
>>
>>RSX-20 anyone?
> According to my husband, Phil Gagner, it was actually RSX-20F, a kludge
> which he has admitted working on (in his weaker moments).  And only the
> KL10's had RSX20F as the command processor and diagnostic front end (it
> wasn't really designed as a terminal front end, DEC used DN87's for that
> purpose).  One KL10 might have four or five PDP-11 machines as communications
> controllers.  A later mod to the RSX20F allowed multiple DL11's (or were
> they DH11's?) to be added to the command and diagnostic processor to
> support multiple terminals directly off it, but I don't know if DEC ever
> officially supported that.

Yeah, it was RSX-20F.  It's been a while.

I worked on the Decsystem-10 they had here, but it was really a tad before
my time.  It did have DN87s on it (two or three as I recall).  The system I
remember best was IUPUI's DECSYSTEM-2060 (well, it's only been gone 5 years
or so now).  Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall, but the only way that
this system supported hardwired terminals was through the DH11s off the
diagnostic processor.  This was somewhat disappointing since one couldn't
support as many terminals that way as with the DN87s (plus you were limited
to one "front end").  There was some kind of dual-ported memory between the
-20 and the front end too.  Instead of the -20 being bothered by constant
individual terminal device interrupts (as in more primitive computers like
VAXes, before the advent of LAT :-), the front end would store characters
read in this shared memory and the -20 would lap them all up between each
scheduling cycle.  Or something like that.  I am awful fuzzy on the details
now...

Nowadays of course, "Decsystem" refers to some kind of a box running Ultrix.
I always thought it was cruel the way marketing recycled the name so fast...
--
James Harvey    IUPUI OIT Technical Support/Networks
harvey@iupui.edu  harvey@indiana.edu  uucp:iugate!harvey  bitnet:harvey@indyvax
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.computers:17892 soc.culture.nordic:7851 soc.culture.german:9229 soc.culture.french:9122 news.admin.misc:729 news.future:870 comp.std.internat:834
From: unrza3@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.french,news.admin.misc,news.future,comp.std.internat
Subject: Re: 8-bit news
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:20:29 GMT
Reply-To: mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de

leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:

>mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn) writes:

>>- The character set ISO 8859-1 supports the full set of characters needed
>>  by over 14 languages used in over 44 countries. It is the most popular
>>  8-bit extension of the old 7-bit US-ASCII and is supported by

>>    X, SunOS, MS-Windows 3.1 (as ANSI character set, which is just
>>    another name for ISO 8859-1 Latin 1), Amiga, Archimedes, DEC VT 220, 
>>    DEC VT 320, HP Laserjet (as ECMA 94 Latin 1 which is just another name),
>>    and many many other systems ...

>>- Often ISO Latin 1 is available on many systems, but not activated. Another
>>  X font and a closer look at UNIX stty settings help you to enter the 8-bit
>>  world on millions of installed systems.

>>- The IBM PC character set is also very popular, but the fact, that
>>  Windows uses ISO Latin 1 and that OS/2 will support it soon
>>  shows the direction of the future of ASCII.

>Actually, even "PC compatible" gear can use ISO Latin-1! You just have to
>have EGA or VGA and install the proper "code page". I'd give details,
>but I misplaced that manual. (Arrrggghhh!)

Since MS-DOS 3.3, each PC has a code page 850 supported by it's DOS.
This code page contains ALL Latin 1 characters (that was the reason, why
it has been introduced), but with other codes than in ISO 8859-1, in order to
stay compatible with the old traditional IBM PC code page 437 which is
supported in hardware by even every CGA card.

IBM has even defined a code page number for the real Latin 1 code set: 819,
but at the moment, this is not part of MS-DOS. Windows uses Latin 1 as
the default. Windows NT will even support ISO 10646! :-)

Markus

-- 
Markus Kuhn, Computer Science student -=-=- University of Erlangen, Germany
Internet: mskuhn@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de  |  X.500 entry available
----- Anyone participating in the use of MS-DOS, Heroin or Cocaine is -----
---- simply not getting the most out of life possible. (Brian Downing) ----
From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Jargon file FTP site?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 16:20:56 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Reply-To: ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

In article <Bz6FFo.Ax9.1@cs.cmu.edu> tomault+@cs.cmu.edu (Thomas Galen Ault) writes:
>Anybody know wherefrom I can FTP a copy of the jargon file, so I, too, can
>sound like a clueless newbie trying to sound like a UNIX wizard.
> :)

Check out archie, look for jargon :-)

(For those who don't know how, it is explained in several FAQ's, among them
 the comp.lang.fortran one (if you don't know how to get a FAQ, check out
  the news.answers newsgroup and look for the string comp.lang.fortran, or
  on pit-manager.mit.edu per anonymous ftp (if you don't know what that
   means, what are you doing reading this newsgroup in the first place? :-)))
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Fools who don't log out  was: Re: PIRATE BBS?
Date: 19 Dec 92 22:42:07 GMT+12
Organization: It's Home, really...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Matt Healy (matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu) wrote:
>
> kill -9 -u <name>
>
> (for non-unix types, this means zap all processes owned by
> the user <name>; the -9 is the "magic number" for a really
> emphatic kill command)
    I liked the description the manual I used to use had for -9 : "with extreme
prejudice", the the above command would read as 'kill with extreme prejudice
user matt'. Who says Unix is cryptic :-) ?
--
 Liam Greenwood ------ liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz ------ Wanganui, N.Z.
                 Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer,
               she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:35:47 GMT

In article <18417@mindlink.bc.ca> Marg_Meikle@mindlink.bc.ca (Marg Meikle) writes:
> If I had to go on national radio and explain a flame war... how should I do
> it?

Just tell them to watch tapes of any US presidential debate.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Subject: Re: PDP-11: A Physical Threat :)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Hit'n'Run
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.205112.3488@cc.tut.fi>, oh3mqu@ee.tut.fi (Saastamoinen Ari) writes...
> 
> 
>Greetings, a.f.c people!
> 
>  This is the first article I have ever written to a.f.c, but I thought since there
>was some discussion (it was some time ago) on computers killing people, what the heck.
>One of my friends was just leaving the local University, and when he stepped out to
>the hall he was almost overrun by a PDP-11. The local admins were transporting the machine to an another room. :) You can imagine my friends surprise when the vast bulk of the
>machine was rolling (noisily) towards him. Try to imagine the impression on his face :)
> 
	Some years ago, having uncrated our first PDP-8, I had it on a rolling
	cart, with the teletype on the bottom shelf, and was rolling down the
	hall, when I ran into Glen as he came out of his door.

	He took one look at me, and cracked, "Why don't you carry a slide rule
	on your belt like everybody else?"

   Frank R. Borger - Physicist    __       Internet:  Frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Michael Reese - Univ. of Chicago |___      Phone : 312-791-8075 fax : 567-7455
  Center for Radiation Therapy   | |_) _   
                                   | \|_)  Faith is believing what you know
    "Birthplace of Softball"          |_)  ain't so. - Mark Twain
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Subject: Re: What is so greate about the PDP 10?
Originator: alderson@leland.Stanford.EDU
Keywords: PDP 10, gods gift to hackers, TOPS, ITS
Reply-To: alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson)
Organization: Stanford University Academic Information Resources
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 21:38:40 GMT

In article <1ga8q4INNftm@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, sarr@sinshan (Sarr J. Blumson) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.041441.21535@u.washington.edu> fetrow@pike.u.washington.edu (David Fetrow) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec10.171417.18174@csrd.uiuc.edu> j-grout@uiuc.edu writes:
>>>
>>>What killed off the PDP-10 architecture?
>>>
>
>Since nobody else has said this I will and will endure the flanes.  In
>the early 80s DEC had 3 choices:
>
>1) kill the 10/20
>
>2) kill the VAX
>
>3) Continue to develop and market both, acknowledging that they were
>competing for exactly the same customers; that every sale of one was a
>lost sale for the other.

>Which would you choose?

2.

>Which would you choose if you were a stockholder?

2.

No smileys.
-- 
Rich Alderson   'I wish life was not so short,' he thought.  'Languages take
                such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
                                                        --J. R. R. Tolkien,
alderson@leland.stanford.edu                              _The Lost Road_
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: PI
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 07:57:23 GMT

> Back to folklore - what's everybody's favorite fast-converging
> series expansion for 'pi'?

bc <<EOF
scale=63
y = sqrt(2) - 1
a = 6 - 4*sqrt(2)
1/a
for (i = 1; y > 0; ++i) {
	t = sqrt (sqrt (1 - y*y*y*y))
	y = (1 - t) / (1 + t)
	t = 1 + y
	a = t*t*t*t*a - (2^(i+i+1))*y*(t+y*y)
	1/a
}
EOF

[The reason for the 63 is that with some versions of bc the sqrt()
fails when more decimal places are allowed.  On others 99 works,
and maybe more.]

Try it.
-- 
Mark Brader			"What a strange field.  Studying beings instead
SoftQuad Inc., Toronto		 of mathematics.  Could lead to recursive
utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com	 problems in logic."	-- Robert L. Forward
						(The Flight of the Dragonfly)

This article is in the public domain.
From: abw@natchez.bu.edu (Al Wesolowsky)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Famous flame wars, examples please?
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:27:24 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <Bz6Ixq.AA1@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us> mcdaniel@grex.ann-arbor.mi.us (Tim McDaniel) writes:
+In article <1992Dec10.134214.8650@CERIS.Purdue.EDU>
+jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
+>There is _currently_ a pretty hot and long-lived flamewar going on between
+>the Greeks and Turks on Soc.history.
+
+In article <1992Dec10.184747.25079@tc.cornell.edu> 
+mdw@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh) writes:
+>It's been going on since circa 300 B.C., but at the outset it was a REAL war,
+>not just a flame war. :)
+
+On a pedantic note: perhaps you were thinking of the Persians?  (I
+thought that was in the 500s BC, anyway.)

All too short-sighted, I'm afraid. These are subsets of the Great
Trojan Flame War of ca. 1350 BC when Paris abducted Helen (sort of like
moving a.f.c to comp.*.something). The moderator of alt.mycenae (a
sysadm named Agamemnon) began a tera-flamage of Europe vs. Asia that
has continued, in various releases, ever since.

-- 
Al B. Wesolowsky    Boston     o "En Cee Cee One Seven Oh One.... 
abw@crsa.bu.edu   University   o  No bloody 'A', 'B', 'C', or 'D'." 
abw@acs.bu.edu                 o                          M. Scott
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