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From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Denominationalism
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:53:04 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <keS198i00Uh_Q33otQ@andrew.cmu.edu>, Meg Alison Veily <mv0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 	<1992Jul29.195954.18746@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
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> 
> I was not going to post this to this bboard, becuase it had nothing to
> do with music. In light of the discussion-bordering-on-argument about
> different denominations, I have changed my mind.
> 
> This is a prophetic word God gave me about a week ago. I took it as both
> a comfort and an exhortation. I pray you all will, too.
> 
> "The Lord says: The time has come to end the divisiveness in My church.
> My people must seek unity in the body. Do not say, "He is a catholic" or
> "He is a protestant." Nor should you say, "He is over there but I am
> over here." Rather, say "He is a Christian, and I am a Christian, so we
> are one in Christ." True revival can only come about when My people
> dwell in unity-not only in the local body, but across denominations and
> locations and cultures. Seek this greater unity with your brothers and
> sisters. Then My Spirit will be poured out upon you, and you will
> accomplish mighty things for My Kingdom."
>  
> In Christ,
>  
> -Meg
>  

AMEN to that!

Love,
Evan

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From: kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen)
Subject: Re: Madeleine L'Engle question
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:37:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.131711.2115@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>Does anyone else here know and like these folks?  Or have any
>similar recommendations for Christian fiction and/or poetry?
>Don't tell me about Lewis, Tolkien, Williams, Peretti, Lawhead, et 
>al.  That's okay, but I'm looking for something besides tracts
>disguised as fantasy novels (no, that doesn't really apply to
>C.S., J.R.R., and Charles, but Peretti and Lawhead bore me to
>tears).  Just to help you out some, the contemporary writers that
>I esteem most highly are Dillard, O'Connor, John Updike, Gabriel
>Garcia Marquez, Milan Kundera, Thomas Pynchon, and Graham Green.  
>Anybody willing to recommend something else along those lines?

Andy,

You've already read the ones I was going to mention (isn't Flannery
O'Connor wonderful?).  I just reviewed my bookshelves again, and 
can't find anyone to add to that list.  But I would be fascinated
to see what everyone else comes up with.  

Oliver Sacks is a neurologist who has written a number of wonderful
books that celebrate life and the human spirit and are full of
compassion and insight.  None of these, however, are fiction.

  --Kim
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From: johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
Subject: Re: Carman's "The Third Heaven"
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:01:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.224553.3520@arizona.edu>, CASTILLO@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu (Ulysses Castillo) writes:
|> Could someone educate me and _please_ tell me what the Third Heaven
|> is?  I've heard the song, and I really like it, but I have no clue why it
|> is called what it is.

Here's my guess:  In Hebrew cosmology, there were actually three "heavens."
The first was the domain of the clouds, birds, rain, etc. (i.e. the atmosphere);
the second was the domain of the sun, moon, and stars (i.e. the universe); the
third was the domain of God (i.e. Heaven).  There's a verse in the NT which
speaks of Jesus being ascended into the "third heaven," but I can't remember
where it is or exactly what it says.

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From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Brother to Many (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:33:52 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <76736@ut-emx.uucp> jean@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Powell) writes:

>Since we're (sorta) on the subject of Baptists and conservativism, I thought
>I'd bring up an interesting fact.  According to survey results which I saw a
>year or two ago in The New York Times, Baptists have the second highest
>percentage of Democratic members of any major American Christian group.  The
>highest group (I think either Methodists or Presbyterians) was only a few
>percentage points higher than Baptists.  If I recall correctly, the number
>was something like 65%.

(disclaimer: this is not a flame)

Uh uh uh...we're not talking about politics here.  Just theology.
Conservative Christianity (folks...this is a GRAVE generalization) is
that which is (hopefully) based on very old (and therefore hopefully
scripturally accurate) traditions, whereas liberal theology attempts
to take the attitudes of modern culture and overlay them on Christian
thought.  Unfortunately, the two do not often mix well.

--Jeff
From: stewart@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Daniel Stewart)
Subject: Re: This zip thing
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:59:04 GMT

[How to unzip the files of Warnke.zip]

>When I did all this, all of my text files had a bunch of ^M characters in it.
>It makes the files more difficult to read. Does anyone have a quick and easy
>way to remove these? A sed script perhaps???

Just do the following:
 
dos2unix [infile] > [outfile]

That should do it.

-- 
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The Ohio State University 		 do, but what I hate to do."
Electrical Engineering Dept.
Room 249 Caldwell Labs
2015 Neil Avenue
Columbus, OH 43210
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CCM on college radio.
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:50:44 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <17JUL92.10975766.0011@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Bab I'm going to have a CCM format show starting this fall on the campus

> (Actually, the format I'm looking at is a teen pop, college, adult
> contemporary, reggae, rap, funk, punk, metal, rock, pop, top 40,
> alternative, praise and worship, talk, interview, scripture reading
> format...something along the lines of Chris-in-the-morning with a
> little more Christian philosophy.  In short, I'll play anything from
> Michael W. Smith to King's X around to Maranatha and Integrity/Hosanna
> and back again.  More power to me, right?  ;)  ) 
> In any case, I was wondering if anyone with experience in this could
> offer any advice or suggestions (like, tell me not to NOW before I get
> myself into it and it's too late to turn back)

        I'm here to save you from embarassment.  Nobody who knows anything
about radio programming would even think of formating a radio show this way.
You won't have 15 listeners, you won't have 10 listeners, you will have one
listener, and that will be you.  Nobody wants to hear that mix except you.
        I've been involved with a Christian program on a secular college staion
for the last four years.  We still have our show, and we still have the respect
of the pagans who staff the rest of the station, because we are realistic,
professional, and have not compromised our positions, or the quality of music
we broadcast.  
        We know that Christian college students don't listen to worship music a
lot, and if they do, they have tapes of it that they put on when they want to
hear it.  We also know that nonChristian students think it sounds stupid and
sacharine.  We also keep talk to a minimum because if college students hate
talk on the radio unless it's Rush Limbaugh, or All Things Considered (and that
is a minority of students too).
        What you want to do is decide who you want the show to appeal to, and
then pander to their tastes.  That's right--give the people what they want.  If
you want to reach unsaved people on campus, find out what their no1 favorite
musical style is, and play Christian music in that style.  If you want to reach
the Christian community on campus, find out what they like, and do that.  If
you use too broad of a mix, you will loose everybody.  People who like Micheal
W. Smith tend to hate The Crucified, and vice versa.  So don't play them
both!!!!!  Do you get it?  People who want to hear music, get mad if there is
too much talk.  People who tune in for talk will tune out as soon as you play a
song they don't like.
        I tried to mail to you, but your address doesn't work.
        Welcome to the real world of radio, Babbo.
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From: jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid)
Subject: Re: Carman's "The Third Heaven"
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:10:45 GMT

>Could someone educate me and _please_ tell me what the Third Heaven
>is?  I've heard the song, and I really like it, but I have no clue why it
>is called what it is.

I just looked it up in my handy-dandy concordance, which referred me to
2 Cor 12:2.  Now, flipping open my NIV Study Bible, I find:

The third heaven designates a place beyond the immediate heaven of earth's
atmosphere and beyond the further heaven of outer space and its
constellations into the presence of God himself.  ...The term "paradise" is
synonymous with the third heaven, where believers who have died are even
now "at home with the Lord".

Jon  (j-reid@uiuc.edu)
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From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:41:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.140311.22740@rice.edu>, mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller) writes:
|> >P.S if anyone cares to throw flames in my direction, I will throw the Sword
|> >of the Holy Spirit straight through your heart. Think about it!
|> 
|> This makes me think : Time for a humor break!
|> 
|> Christian phrase                           Real World Translation
|> ----------------                           ----------------------
|> "sword of the Holy Spirit" above           a flame
|> fellowship (We're fellowshipping)          hanging with the homies
|> sharing (Share X with us)                  shooting the BS 
|> a blessing (That concert was a blessing)   way cool
|> "I will pray for you"                      "Boy you're a heretic"
|> 
|> I'm sure there are many more - get your submissions in soon
|> for the "most ridiculous Christianized phrase" contest!

    Yikes! I HOPE that was only meant to be humor! I always thought
"I will pray for you" meant "Boy you're pathetic" not a "heretic". :^I

-- Tim
From: jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: The Warnke Debate
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:48:26 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

kevin@CEB.McMaster.CA (Kevin Thorpe) writes:

In article <63nm68@lynx.unm.edu> morgan7@carina.unm.edu (christopher c lewisair) writes:

>About a year ago, I had a friend who was a witch. Although I don't agree
>with anything he had to say about theology or his supposed "powers",
>I do think that they are harmless. They are very concerned with
>hurting other people and completly oppose any kind of offering to their
>gods that is the result of pain or force. They also are pretty open to
>allowing anyone , even born-again Christians, to watch their meetings
>to verify this.

Please, folks, let's remember to distinguish between "witches" (neo-pagans,
wiccans, earth-worshippers, etc.) and "satanists" (black magic, etc.).  I
realize the terms are not set in stone and that satanists are often
referred to as witches.  The terms "white witchcraft" and "black
witchcraft" are perhaps more appropriate.

I have spoken with a witch (Terry Whitefeather, an elder in the Elf Lore
Family) who acknowledges the presence of satanists at E.L.F. gatherings.
He seems to regard them as anti-social wierdos who don't understand that
magic is a "healing force of good".

From what I've read about satanists, they seem to regard the white witches
as pansies who don't understand the true source of magic, whether white or
black.

Confusing the two groups can lead to confusion.  (Neo-pagans are insulted
when referred to as satanists, and attribute it to typical, boorish,
ignorant Christian behavior.)
-- 
Jon Reid    j-reid@uiuc.edu    GEnie: THE.REIDS
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."
From: mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Carman's "The Third Heaven"
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:05:48 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Rice University

Ulysses Castillo writes:
>Could someone educate me and _please_ tell me what the Third Heaven
>is?  I've heard the song, and I really like it, but I have no clue why it
>is called what it is.

I don't listen to Carman, but the only Scriptural reference to
"the third heaven" is found in 2 Corinthians 12:2, where Paul writes;
 
 "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was
  caught up into the third heaven.  Whether it was in the body or out of the
  body I do not know - God knows."

Just goes to show, maybe out-of-body experiences are not all that 
weird-and-New-Age after all!

Ernest Mueller
From: meo@pencom.com (Jaime Retief, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Mark Heard - life update
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:57:28 GMT
Organization: Roadkills-R-Us

First, a hats off to Michael for letting us in on
the thing with Mark Heard's condition.

I just got off the phone with Dan, Mark's business
partner and friend, who explained what happened.

Mark had a mild heart attack at C'Stone during his
set on July 4.  He finieshed the set anyway, and
afterwards the paramedics got him to the hospital
where he spent (I think) 5 days.  After passing a
stress test with flying colors, he left with his
wife and daughter.  7 hours later he had another
mild attack - an erythemia (sp?).  But nobody was
available to give CPR and it was a LONG time before
the paramedics got there.  Subsequent cat scans
showed nothing but automatic brain functions.
They were expecting him to die, or remain in a
coma forever, clinically brain dead.

However, since then (with some *serious* prayer
going down) cat scans show functionality in the
higher brain functions, and Mark is responding to
light, pain, etc.  While he is still in a coma,
they are working hard with him (he has had bypass
surgery), and even the doctors have some hope.

He is still in Illinois, and Janet and Rebecca
(their 4 year old) are with him.  Arrangements are
being made to fly him back to California.

Cards may be sent to

Mark Heard
c/o Fingerprint Records
Box 197
Merrimac, MA
01860

where someone will get them to Mark, and they will
be read to him.

Please pray ("old testament style, with boldness",
as Dan put it) for Mark, and for Janet and Rebecca.
I never knew anyone who HATED death like Mark.  He
longs to be with the Lord, but he hates the fact
that Satan rules here, and that because of sin we
have to go through death to get there.  He and Janet
have seen too much of it this past year - his dad
died, and two of their best friends were killed in
a car wreck (one of them wrote the last song on
_Second Hand_).

I have to agree with Michael on Mark's music.  he
was alternative in some fashion as long as I've
known him, and long before the term was commonly
used as a musical category.  He's even alternative
compared to the alternative groups.  He has always
had integrity, both as a musician and as a Christian.
he spent time in La Brie (sp?) with Francis Schaeffer,
to better understand making art as a Chrsitian, and
simply living as a Christian in the world today.

Besides prayer, I'm sure the thing Mark would want
is to know his music meant something to people,
that it had a part in changing lives, in helping
people cope in this life.

As more news comes in, I'll post it.

-Miles

whose gonna go pray for a miracle!
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From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: Rumors.....
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:27:22 GMT

In article <63946@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt5448b@prism.gatech.EDU (James Corbett) writes:
> 
> 
> I hate to pry into one's personal life, but I saw a small article in the Sunday
> Atlanta Journal-Constitution which I just could not believe.  The article 
> said that Sandi Patti recently filed for divorce.  Was this just a misprint or
> have others heard this?
> -- 
> CORBETT,JAMES FRANKLIN   mail: gt5448b@prism.gatech.edu

I also heard this from my Father when he visited a couple of weeks ago.  I'm
not sure what his source was, but he is not the type to repeat something like
that lightly...

Also wondering,
Chris S.
From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: ============T Bone Burnett====================
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 15:00:32 EDT
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

> T Bone Burnett was the guest on NPRs Fresh Air program last night 
> (Friday). I donUt know if it is a weekely program or daily. Some of you may

If it is the Fresh Air program I'm thinking of, it originates live
from WHYY in Philadelphia at 1pm daily.  Per usual, it is up to
NPR stations as to when to run it themselves.  I suspect he was
on the Friday afternoon show in most locals.
                         - tom
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From: cvacura@uswat.uswest.com (Craig Vacura)
Subject: Re: Amy Grant is NOT a dirty word!
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:38:04 GMT

> In article <low-220792102128@l32282.mdc.com> 
low%ewsvax.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com (Jerry Low) writes:

>>I too used to listen to Amy and was a big fan until she started to make 
>>the big crossover.  I think the last album I have of hers is "Lead Me One",
>>I've listened to it, maybe twice.  I think most people's criticisms of 
>>her (or at least mine) is that her music doesn't reach me anymore.  I don't
>>think it really says anything really (I mean, come on, what's the most
>>profound thing about "Baby, Baby"?).  From a Christian standpoint, I 
>>think her best work was "Age to Age" (still a classic), and "Straight Ahead".

I usually avoid 'Amy' discussions like rap music :-), but something hit me on 
this one.  It is interesting to me to see how different people react to 
different albums Amy has made.  Some like the 'old' straightforward Amy 
and want her to go back to that style.  Some like the fresher more 
'pop'ular sound of 'Heart in Motion'.  Personally, the only album of hers 
I'll listen to is Lead Me On.  IMHO, it is the deepest and most thoughtful 
work she has done.  Her earlier work was too lightweight/cheery for my tastes and I can't listen to pop like Heart In Motion.  Besides, who wants to hear 
cloned albums.  That's why I don't buy much Petra anymore.  IMHO they're almost all the same (to be fair, I am due for a fresh listen).

Remember, Amy isn't disclaiming her earlier work or stance.  If more people are exposed to, and enjoy, her current music more people will be drawn to listen to her earlier work.  People often buy prior music of artists they have just 'discovered'.  If they like what they hear they keep going back.

Many artists will alternate styles between albums.  Didn't Stryper (please, 
no Stryper comments) try to alternate between 'hard' albums and more pop oriented albums to reach a wider audience?  The idea is 'hook them with the music they like, then reach them(the unsaved masses) with the music they need to hear.'

So, I guess I like Amy's work and direction after all.

V
From: acb@moscom.UUCP (Amy Bourquin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Rumors.....
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:08:32 GMT
Reply-To: acb@moscom.UUCP (Amy Bourquin)
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY

In article <63946@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5448b@prism.gatech.EDU (James Corbett) writes:
>Atlanta Journal-Constitution which I just could not believe.  The article 
>said that Sandi Patti recently filed for divorce.  Was this just a misprint or
>have others heard this?
>-- 
  Apparently her husband had more ambitions for her career than she did. He
  being her manager. He felt a strong commitment to the fans and she to her
  family. 'Nuff said.
From: fuhry@think.com (Debbie Fuhry)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is there anybody here that's not a Baptist?
Date: 28 Jul 1992 19:10:00 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: leander.think.com

In article <64521@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9730a@prism.gatech.EDU (Bill Standhardt) writes:
>It just seems that all of the people on here are Baptists, or
>secular. None of the other denominations seem to be present,
>hence the conservative consensus on most of the threads lately.

I must have missed a lot of posts somewhere, because I don't recall anyone
mentioning what denomination they're in... But, just to set the record
straight, I am not a Baptist.  I've attended Lutheran, non-denominational,
Episcopal and Evangelical Free (where I'm currently a member) in that
order, but no... never a Baptist.

Secular?  I've never heard of that denomination. ;)

Debbie Fuhry
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: bdonison@grover.UVic.CA (Only AMIGA!)
Subject: Re: *Burning*Albums* (Anti-Secularism)
Keywords: Amy Grant - Antichrist or not?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:51:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.140447.13364@rice.edu> mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller) writes:
>I don't mean to nitpick, but...
>
>>If you will note, it was GOD who made the loincloths for them to cover
>>their nakedness. 
>
>Genesis 3:7 "Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they
>             were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings
>             for themselves." (NIV) 
>
>Anyone can say something which is Biblically Incorrect.
>Does this mean that Noel does not have a high view of Scriptural authority?
>
>If not, do not condemn another on similar grounds.
>
>Ernest Mueller

I think that Noel was referring to Genesis 3:21, am I right Noel?

Genesis 3:21
The LORD God made garments of skin Adam and his wife and clothed them.
NIV

Brad...

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From: smothers@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Mike Warnke Rebuttal
Date: 29 Jul 92 05:03:13 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University

I was intrigued by Mike Warnke's statement. In my opinion, (I hate acronyms.),
he really didn't say anything to contradict the Cornerstone article. Is there
anyone else who shares this opinion?

mark

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From: mugsy@winton.uucp (<<In Stereo>>)
Subject: CCM Industry Pressure
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, MA
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:40:13 GMT

I have repeatedly read of artists like Sam Philips, et. all, leaving CCM
because of problems/pressures with the CCM Industry.  I've accepted this 
until now, but started wondering just what were the problems encountered?

I have speculated for awhile, but I'll remain silent, preferring to hear
some facts on the matter.

					-In Him, For Him, Through Him,
						     Michael G. Bruce
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