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From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Alternatives to Spanking?
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:54:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: keps.1992Jul29.195426.24577
Distribution: na
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems

In article <1992Jul29.184517.23401@mdd.comm.mot.com> nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson) writes:
>I'm sure looking forward to the tantrum in the busy store scene. 8-(

You'll survive it, and it will make you a better person (-;

>I think I'll try to ignore it and withstand the onlookers stares.

It always helped me to take the attitude that tantrums are normal/expected,
and that anyone who bothered to notice was more interested in whether I handled
it well than they were in the fact that the child was having it.  That went a
long way toward not getting flustered about having a less than angelic child.
And it gave me more incentive to stand my ground.  YMMV, of course, but this
is one way of dealing with it, and it worked for me.

>Is there a better way?
>
>I've heard that removing the child from the store gives the child
>too much control. ie. they can MAKE you leave the store when THEY want.

Unless, of course, the tantrum is because they don't want to leave the store.
-- 
Maureen Busch				|Small world, but I wouldn't want to
Internet: mbb@keps.kodak.com		|paint it - Steven Wright
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DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: sdc@nsscmail.att.com (Sheryl D. Chapin)
Subject: Finding a baby sitter
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:38:48 GMT



I have a friend who is due in Oct and is going to have to return to work
6 weeks after the baby is born.  She is interested in finding a baby sitter
as opposed to day care. 

Is there a FAQ list on how to go about finding a good one?  If so, how do I
get it? 

We are in Central Jersey, so if anyone has information or advice for this
area I would also appreciate that.

Thanks 

Sheryl (Max's Mom) 


"That is my opinion and I am unanimous in that!"

-- 
It was only for kicks cracks and flacks plicks and placks and plickers--
Lackplacker Lackplicker loundwadtti Daago--Nickers flickers lackplicker--
Kicks flicks plack and ack lackflacmac ack ack macflackack ...
						-- Roscoe Mitchell
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:58:15 GMT

In article <daved.711831468@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>
>>Reposted with a correction(near bottom):
>
>>Now that we have seen what man has to say about children (re: Hillary
>>Clinton - Family Values), let's see some of what God has to say:
>
>( lot's of biblical quotes,  etc)
>
>I am asking for the consideration of not being preached to about specific 
>religous beliefs which I do not share.
>
>Please keep your religion to yourself and those who invite you to share it
>with them.

You're wasting your keystrokes.  You see, in his mind it's like this:
God wants him to tell you this stuff.  You don't.  Who do you think
he's going to listen to?

This is what kill files are for.  Handy little jobbers they are, too.
(I know, not all new readers have kill files.  Pity.)

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Twelve yr. old caught stealing women's underwear!
Keywords: 12 yr. old caught stealing women's underwear
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:52:58 GMT
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <skipa.712375594@milton> skipa@milton.u.washington.edu (Skip Albertson) writes:
>If your 12 yr. old boy was caught stealing women's underwear
>at a department store, what would you do?


Depends on a lot of things:

This particular 12 year old boy (I probably won't have one for at
least 12 years  8-), some circumstances around the theft, why he
would steal anything, why, or if, lingerie was a specific target,
and if so, what he wanted it for.

And so on and so forth.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
From: cub@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Ray Miller)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: A useful tip
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:49:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

This is a tip for those who are planning time away from their kids during a
vacation. Since children have a very limited concept of time, buy a small gift
for each day that you will be away from them and wrap it. Tell them that they
can unwrap one present each day while you are away, and when all of the gifts
are gone, you will return. The gifts don't have to be expensive, but you
would be amazed how this keeps your child happy while you are gone, and it also
makes time something that they can hold in their hands. Hope in this season of
vacations that this comes in handy. It sure has worked well for me.


|         Ray Miller           |            DISCLAIMER               |
|  cub@chopin.jpl.nasa.gov     |  All opinions are strictly my own   |
								     
 "I once spent a year in Philadelphia, I think it was on a Sunday" WCFields
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson)
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Organization: Stanford University
	<3782@wyse.wyse.com> <l7frgnINNonr@earth.cs.utexas.edu>
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:17:56

In article <l7frgnINNonr@earth.cs.utexas.edu> adf@cs.utexas.edu (Angela Dappert-Farquhar) writes:
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   From: adf@cs.utexas.edu (Angela Dappert-Farquhar)
   Newsgroups: misc.kids
   Date: 30 Jul 1992 08:26:47 -0500
   Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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   In article <3782@wyse.wyse.com> donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302) writes:
   >> Carrie was born almost 5 weeks ago, via c-section following relatively
   >> long labor.  I felt physically back to normal, including swinging my
   >> 32 pound two year old over my head, by the time four weeks had passed.

   >That's great!  But it's making me feel insecure.  I had a normal vaginal
   >delivery, and after 3 months, still feel tired and not the least normal.
   >
   >... (parts erased)
   >Donna

   I had a vaginal delivery and had gained 50 pounds. I nursed for eight
   months. I remember that at six months I still could not walk at a even
   slightly accelerated pace without major pain in my lower body. I
   thought that this was normal and did not see a doctor for this. It
   finally went away.

   In spite of nursing Sebastian I still have 10 pounds left at 18 months
   now. 

I recently read a reference to a study that purported to demonstrate
that contrary to the La Leche propaganda and old wive's tales,
breastfeeding does not help a woman lose the extra weight she put on
during pregnancy.  Does anyone have more details on this?  I know that
in my family, the weight doesn't come off until the child weans.  Will
is still nursing (at two years, four months);  I hope that when he
weans, I'll lose the few extra pounds I still have- just in time for
his high school graduation :)

   Emotionally I was back to normal after Sebastian started sleeping
   through the night at 12 months. The hormonal chnges after the birth
   were certainly destabilizing but sleep deprivation was just the worst
   thing. 

   Is there anybody else out there who took a long time to feel "normal".

Yes.  Will didn't sleep through until he was TWO, despite all our best
efforts and Ferberizing.  I found the sleep deprivation horrible.  I
would like another child, but my husband says he would find it hard to
go through all that sleep deprivation again, and I have to agree.  I
tell my husband that we're due for a sleeper next time, but what if we
get another baby who takes **no naps** for the first nine months of
his life, and wakes up every two hours at night?  

-- Anne
anne@dolores.stanford.edu


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M16585@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Parents Adjusting and Coping with Crying
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:25:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.000301.18615@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>
ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns) writes:
 
>
>We're first-time parents and adjusting has been really hard. We're
>both feeling really anxious and problems with night-time crying are
>not helping. I love the little guy, wouldn't trade him for the world,
>and know this is probably something many parents go through, but it is
>really taking its toll. My mom and dad left this morning and I'm
>worried about spending a sleepless night (that's how it is going around
>here) without them. For the last two nights I have only used them from
>6-10 a.m. so we could get some sleep, but now we're on our own. Greg
>(daddy) goes back to work tomorrow so he will not be as able to stay up
>and I'm discouraged.
>
>The crying is the hardest.  I came in with my eyes open, and despite some
>tears of my own, I just try to get us through it by holding him, swaying,
>singing, etc. This can go on for hours, although I think I've seen a
>little improvement.
>
>He is quite uncomfortable and just wails before/during BMs and burps for
>a goodly amount of time (sometimes it seems to take 15 minutes and then
>he'll settle down after some gas/burp, but then he's off again). He makes
>faces, cranes (sp?) his neck (actually he has incredible control for a
>newborn but that's little consolation), wiggles, and screams.  We try
>different positions and sometimes it helps. I'm burping him every 5 minutes
>during feedings now. There may be other explanations for part of the crying
>spells. It's a lot worse at night.
>
>Does anyone have any advice?
>
>--Ashley, ashley@osc.edu
 
Well, we never had a really bad problem with Stefan, but there was a time
from about 2wks to 7wks where he would cry in the evening and nothing
seemed to help.  We discovered that just taking him outside and walking
around helped emmensely!  The new and different noises seemed to occupy
him, we suspect he was just bored &  it sounds like that may be your
problem too.
 
Hope this helps
 
Ellie  mom of Stefan 13mo
 
Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: sallyh@StarConn.com (Sally Holmes)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Childbirth coach in Bay Area
Date: 21 Jul 92 04:45:34 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133

On behalf of a friend, I'd like to ask the group if anyone in the SF Bay
area has used a childbirth coach/doula and, if so, whether they can
recommend him/her?

She'd also like to know of any good or bad inpressions of childbirth in
hospitals or birth places in the area from Palo Alto to Mountain View.

Please reply by email, as I don't read this group.

Thanks,
Sally Holmes
From: julier@master.CNA.TEK.COM (Julie Richardson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Having children close together-happy stories wanted
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:18:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

> I had to comment on this.  Mine are the same spacing, both boys, and the
> younger is very big -- almost as big as the older.  So when it came time
> for Jeff to potty-train, we just shared Alan's underwear with him.  This
> turned out to be great motivation:  "Now Jeff, I don't want you to pee
> in that underwear."  And of course the last thing Jeff wanted to do was
> pee in Alan's underwear!

My son was told that the Turtles didn't want to be peed on so he had to
be careful.  Boy does he take things seriously -- he would cry and cry
and still does if he has an accident.  He doesn't want to pee on those
turtles -- you know the ones Teenage Mutant Ninga Tutles!!


Julie Richardson
mom to Casey Krista and Weston
Xref: sparky misc.kids:19909 sci.med:14717
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:39:07 EDT
From: Jennifer Brown <JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father

Thanks for all the info!  I didn't know about Rhogam, but now I do.
That makes me feel better.

But I still seem to think that my blood is A+.  I could have sworn that
there was something in my baby book about it.  I'll have to have mom
check for me.  And if indeed, my blood turns out to be A+, the O- will
definitely screw someone up if the Red Cross gives my supposed O- blood
to an O-, O+, A-, B-, B+, or AB- person!  In that respect, I hope they
didn't screw up.

Oh, and I do know all the "basics" about how people can be O- from a set
of A+ parents, etc.  I took my bio class in 10th grade.

And I H*A*T*E needles, so even though I am currently a universal donor,
please don't rely on me being to generous with it.  Hence, I'd hate the
Rhogam needle, and the constant blood tests associated with it, etc.
(Yes, I hated the one for the marriage license blood test, too.)

I got "pressured" into giving blood that first time.  It was a "If you don't
come give blood with me tonight, I won't hug you."  And you all know what
kind of a sneaky threat that sort is!!

A lot of you said to check with my OB/GYN.  I would, except for the problem
that he just stopped practicing in this area, and I can't get anyone else
without a referral from my home-doctor, and unless it's an emergency, they
won't give one.  I've really gotta get a local physician, rather soon!!
*sigh*

Thanks all!

-Jennifer
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: salvaggi@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Nanette Salvaggio)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: in-law discipline question
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:41:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: kodak.1992Jul21.154159.2478
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Jul20.210301.12356@ralph.lafayette.la.us>, rha@ralph.lafayette.la.us (Ruth Alleman) writes:
|> Hi netters,
|> 
|> I've been reading this group off and on for quite some time and I
|> have a question to ask.
|> 
|> How do you deal with the discipline (or lack of) styles of
|> relatives, particularly that of an in-law and his children, in
|> respect to your own children?
|> 
|> 
|> Thanks.
|> Ruth Alleman
|> rha@ralph.lafayette.la.us


Ruth,

I have had this problem also.  We took the parents aside and told
them flat out.  Although we want them to visit, that if they
will not enforce the rules of our home with their children, they
would no longer be welcome in our home.  We also had this problem
with my father in law.  He has  abad habit of wearing shoes in the
house,  a definate against the rule action in my home.  Told him
to take his shoes of or sleep in the garage.  He now takes his shoes off.
Maybe this sounds harsh but I feel very strongly about respecting
someones wishes in there home.

It's not fare to a child to punish them for something that another
child is doing in front of them.  I feel I can't control everything,
but what goes on in my home is one thing I can.

Nanette
salvaggi@acadia.kodak.com 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Problem hair: Mom's
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:28:28 GMT

In article <l6oejvINNkuk@pollux.usc.edu> sudha@pollux.usc.edu (Sudha Kumar) writes:
>
>A month after I had the baby, my hair started falling out in bunches.  One
>day I was really scared when I washed my hair because a HUGE bunch of hair
>just came out into my hands.  I heard that people loose their hair after
>having a baby but this was scary!

My hair also began thinning noticably about the time Ellen had Sarah.

>My doctor told me not to worry and that
>it would grow back.  It is doing that but it looks really strange, because
>for a while I had something resembling a Mohawk because the hair was
>really short and was sticking straight up on my scalp.  Even now, I have
>things which look like bangs and I did not cut my hair.  All the hair
>I lost is just growing back and makes my hair looks totally unruly.

Your hair grew back?  Sorry, I have no sympathy.

(:-)

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Xref: sparky misc.kids:19821 sci.med:14639
From: kerri@admin.acadiau.ca (KERRI BREWSTER)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:18:55 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


I've been surprised to read all the references to how painful the Rhogam 
shot can be. If I was RH- and expecting a rhogam shot, I'd start to fret 
about it... :-) So, just for the sake of another point of view, my rhogam 
shots were not uncomfortable AT ALL. They were probably even more pleasant 
than all the blood tests I had to go through... 

Now, LABOUR, on the other hand... :-)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Re: God's view of children (and adults)
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:56:43 GMT

kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:
>>could someone post similiar quotes from the Q'uran?  after all,
>>if we're going to get the opinions of deities, perhaps we need
>>a more random sample...

>Fine, only it putatively the same deity.

>Any Zoroastrians around?  Mithraists (of course, one cannot
>expect Ailsa to approve of them)?

>Buddhists?  Hindus?

>Anyone familiar with the writings of Surak?

As a practicing semi-fatalistic nihilist of latter day chaos, I offer the
following:

"Dont follow leaders, watch the parking meters" ...... Zimmerman 65

"[Life]... is the little shadow which runs across the grass and loses
 itself in the sunset."
					...... Crowfoot

"The goal of life is living in agreement with nature" .... Zeno

"If you live with a lame man you will learn to limp" ..... Plutarch

"Whatever you do, crush the infamous thing [superstition] and love those
 who love you."			.....Voltaire

 "Why you little...!!"      ..... Homer   (Simpson)

 "Dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present... we
 must think anew and act anew."
				..... Abraham Lincoln

				
"It makes one feel rather good deciding not to be a bitch... Its sort
of what we have instead of God."  
				....... Ernest Hemingway

"Life is like a jigsaw puzzle that doesnt match the picture on the box"
					..... Norman Humal

Eber
(aka Norman Humal)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg)
Subject: Re: For FSACP@acad3 - Timeouts (was Re: Alternatives to spanking)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:17:00 GMT

In article <92203.141732ELDREDGE@UCF1VM.BITNET>, <ELDREDGE@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes...
>I mentioned this thread to one of my co-workers who is now in her 40's and
>she said her father always made them sit in the bathroom - nothing to play
>with, nothing to watch, nothing to DO.  I thought it was an interesting,
>albeit strange, place to TIME OUT.
> 
'Nothing to do'? Really? How about filling the sink with water? Until
it overflows? (My son has recently discovered he can use the drain
plug). How about putting lots of paper in the toilet? Seems too
inviting for messes to me! 8-)
                          Patti Twigg
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor (% wise)
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:06:43 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1715@optigfx.optigfx.com>, wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang) writes:
> 
> Christine was extremely alert when she came out, not drowsy at all.
> My ped said from his 20 years of pratice, he's never seen a baby
> that is affected by the epidural.


This reminds me...my understanding is that since an epidural is administered
into a "closed" system (the spinal cord area) none of the medication actually
reaches the baby at all.  Correct?  If so, then none of the arguments against
medication that can make the baby dopey is relevant to epidurals.  

Maybe somebody who is up on their reading (or preparing for labor/delivery) can
elucidate.

Ann Helmers
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Bradley Classes
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:16:01 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <19804@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
> In article <1200@elan.Elan.COM> lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis) writes:
>>How transferrable are these techniques?  If they work for the
>>pain of childbirth, are they also helpful for other kinds of
>>pain?  And if a person learns relaxation or distraction techniques
>>for some other kind of pain, are those same techniques likely
>>to work for childbirth?
> 
> I used the breathing techniques to deal with being catheterized,
> having blood taken, and having an IV inserted.  I think they do
> transfer.


I found myself concentrating on relaxation last week at the dentist...and it
did help!  I consciously untightened all those muscles that clench as soon as
the drill starts up (I know-ACK!!)

Ann Helmers
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jokeefe@sfu.ca (Juliet O'Keefe)
Subject: Why did you become a parent?
Followup-To: misc.kids
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:12:47 GMT


Personally, it was because there was a hole in my diagphram.

I haven't regretted it for a second though, and I'm actually
thankful for fate having landed me in this extrodinary stew...

Juliet