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From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Newsgroups: nj.politics
Subject: Re: POLITICS
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:25:10 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Apr14.155541.24440@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, by klf@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (karen.l.fenton):
> In article <1992Apr8.192651.705@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
>> 
>> I grant that point.  The political system has failed.  Candidates win
>> on their ability to get elected, which has nothing to do with their
>> ability to govern.  And our educational system is so bad that most
>> voters don't even know the difference.
> 
> 
> I disagree: the system works exactly as we designed it to
> operate over the past 200 years. It's our expectations and
> our grip on reality that have failed.
> Marty's second statement (Candidates win...) is absolutely
> accurate and *we* allow it to happen.

Thank you Karen, for the second point.  But I still contend that a
system for governing is a failure if it does not select officials for
their ability to govern.  Maybe it works the way the politicians who
desinged it 200 years ago intended it to work (though that's not at
all obvious), but I don't think the voters ever intended it to work
this way.

> People, as a rule, have mixed expectations .....
> People *choose* (repeatedly) the choices which they think will
> get them EVERYTHING .....
> We become the dupes of any semi-literate or crook who can
> persuade us that > he/she can deliver all our dreams ....
> 
> We are the problem, in our consistent refusal to realize that
> we probably can't afford to have it all and our refusal
> to recognize that hard problems usually don't have easy solutions.

"People" are the problem.  But "we" are all different.  Now that "we"
know that "people" are the problem, those of us who think "we" know
what the problem is ought to take the next step, which is to try
either (a) to get the "people" out of the loop so "we" can govern, or
(b) to fix the problem by educating "people" so they can make better
choices.

(a) is the totalitarian solution, and it seldom works.  (b) is the
liberal solution, which requires spending a lot of resources to
create an informed electorate.  What is happening in Washington is
apparently designed to prevent (b), to the benefit of those whose
money controls access to the media.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)
From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Newsgroups: nj.politics
Subject: Re: Skiing Helmet Bill
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:28:04 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Apr10.132100.29020@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, by whs70@dancer.uucp (24411-sohl):
> .......
> ....  The argument, is the
> same as all the other arguments (bycycle helmet bill, speed
> limit at 55, runny eggs, ad nauseum.), to wit, "If it saves
> just one lfe, we should do it."

Maybe we can decide this more or less rationally.  What is a life
worth?  Maybe you can't measure it in dollars, but it seems reasonable
to try to measure it in terms of parts of other people's lives.

A year is, roughly 10,000 hours (actually somewhat less).  If you save
the life of someone age 30 who might otherwise live to be 80, you've
saved about 500,000 hours of somebody's life.

Now suppose there are 100,000 skiers, and each one has to spend two
hours shopping for a helmet and earn three hours wages to pay for it.
That's 5 hours out of the lives of each of 100,000 people, or 500,000
hours.  If it saves one life, you broke even.

Of course, with more accurate numbers, you might come out with a
slightly different answer.  But is this the kind of trade-off you want
the state to legislate?

> Now I'm not an anti-safety nut, BUT I am getting very tired
> of everyone else, through the passage of laws, telling me what
> I should or shouldn't do relative to taking (accepting) the
> risks associated with various aspects of life, sports, etc.

I won't buy that argument.  If you were killed instantly, that might
be OK.  But it's more likely that you will die slowly and expensively,
and we will all pay for that through your medical insurance.

Now you might offer an alternative argument, that the accident might
be just so severe that with a helmet, you would live long enough to
need a lot of expensive care, but without a helmet you would be killed
instantly and save us the expense.  I would want to know, not just
whether helmets save lives, but whether they save medical costs.

Of course there are also other people who are concerned with your
well-being - your employer, your dependents, etc.  The state wants to
protect their interest, even if you don't.  But the state might ask
whether that interest justifies the cost of maybe five hours of a lot
of people's lives, which could do a little harm to a lot of employers,
dependents, etc.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)
From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Newsgroups: nj.politics
Subject: Re: Legislating safety, was Re: Skiing Helmet Bill
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:20:48 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

From article <1992Apr13.130411.23544@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, by whs70@dancer.uucp (24411-sohl):
> In article <1992Apr12.182804.9231@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant) writes:
> .....
>>I won't buy that argument.  If you were killed instantly, that might
>>be OK.  But it's more likely that you will die slowly and expensively,
>>and we will all pay for that through your medical insurance.
> 
> ......  Using that logic, we should simply outlaw anything
> that contains the risks that may result in permanent,
> long term medical costs:  Such as, but not obvioulsy limited to:
> auto racing, pleasure riding of motorcvycles, swimming, any contact
> sport, pleasure flying (private planes), etc.

Error.  We use that logic, and we don't outlaw those activities.  We
require certain safety equipment or precautions for every one of them,
just as we're proposing safety equipment for skiing.

And I also said I wasn't sure whether ski helmets could be justified
in terms of a balanced cost vs. benefit analysis.  That's the same
logic, but refined a little.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)	
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From: pkg@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (pavan.gupta)
Newsgroups: nj.housing,nj.wanted,nj.general
Subject: ROOM FOR RENT
Keywords: roommate, rent, room
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:44:47 GMT
Followup-To: nj.housing
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

Own bedroom with private bath in a two bedroom Society Hill condo 
in Basking Ridge.  Share Kitchen & living area.  Available May 1st.
Rent $550 + 1/2 utilities.

Please call (908) 852-6990 & leave message.
or
send email to att.whamr!pkg
Newsgroups: nj.wanted,nj.forsale,bcr.wanted,misc.forsale
From: adr@troy.cc.bellcore.com (rodriguez,alicia d)
Subject: APT in OCEAN GROVE
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: nj
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 13:22:22 GMT

******************************************************************************
*************************   APT IN OCEAN GROVE   *****************************
******************************************************************************

Mint 1 bdrm apartment for rent in Ocean Grove
1/2 mi from beach

washer and dryer - full size
dishwasher

plenty of storage
access to basement
backroom off kitchen with lots of shelves

hardwood floors throughout (linoleum in bathroom)
ceramic tile countertops in kitchen

available May 1st,
rent - $650/month negotiable
includes heat/hotwater  (pay only electric, ~25/mo)

e-mail to this address or call (908) 775-2024 to see apartment or
call Elaine Rutledge (landlady) at (215) 732-8031
From: dlevine@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.s.levine)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
Subject: HELP WANTED -DRIVER
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:37:27 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

I am posting this for a friend please respond to the
phone number given below - Thanks

Wanted - DRIVER

Mature, responsible person is wanted to drive a
private N.J. corporation limousine. 
Retirees are welcome to apply.
Knowledge on NY city and vicinity is a plus.
Must have a clean driving record.

GREAT pay PLUS benefits.

Please call (908) 972-8848
            (212) 536-6088
From: pkg@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (pavan.gupta)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
Subject: ROOMMATE WANTED
Keywords: roomate, housing
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:06:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Apr9.220601.2782
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

Share a two bedroom condo in Basking Ridge with private bath.
Rent $550 + 1/2 util.  Available May 1st.
From: dml@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Danny M Lee)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
Subject: *** WANTED : Carpool to RRC, Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ ***
Date: 17 Apr 92 10:39:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: cunixf.1992Apr17.103951.13312
Reply-To: dml@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Danny M Lee)
Organization: Columbia University

I'll be working at Bellcore, over at the Raritan River Center in Piscataway,
New Jersey, come this middle of June.  I would like to get into a carpool 
that stops by there.  Are there anyone out there able to help me?  Any 
info and/or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.  Please contact me
through the e-mail address found below.  Thanks in advance.

+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Danny Lee                                                         |
| dml@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu                                        |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: dcasel@drew.drew.edu
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
Subject: wanted
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:19:51 GMT
Organization: Drew University


WANTED:  One used exercise bike or stepper...

I'm interested in purchasing either an exercise bike or stepper 
machine if anyone out there has one and is interested in selling.  
Leave me an e-mail message at DCASEL@DREW.BITNET or call me at 
(201)408-4389.  Thank you.
Newsgroups: nj.wanted,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.sun.wanted,ny.wanted,misc.wanted
From: wmt@is.morgan.com (William Tsang)
Subject: 8-inch floppy disk drive for Sun ...
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:52:28 GMT


WANTED:		8-inch floppy drive to be hooked up to Sun, or
		alternatively to PC's, preferably with software
		drivers, if not, at least complete spec.

Please reply to: wmt@is.morgan.com
Or call: (212) 703-2647.

--
--- Wmt

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Willie Tsang

Office:
(212) 703-2647                          Morgan Stanley & Co., Inc.
"wmt@is.morgan.com"                     1633 Broadway, 36th Flr.,
                                        New York, NY 10604

Home:
(718) 426-3052                          41-58 76th St.,
 aka: game-0-la                         Elmhurst, NY 11373
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From: carroll@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (martin.d.carroll)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted,nj.housing,nj.market.housing,nj.misc
Subject: wanted: place to park motorhome (will pay $$)
Keywords: motorhome, parking space
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:37:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Apr8.203733.21508
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

My wife-to-be and I need a place to park our motorhome somewhere within 
half an hour of Summit, NJ (or thereabouts).  Our house doesn't have enough
space, and the public storage places are all filled up (what few there are
that take motorhomes). 

Would anyone like to earn a little extra cash for letting us park our motorhome
on their property?  It's 27 feet long, and 10'8'' high.  We figure on paying
about $25 dollars a month, but if you think that's unreasonable, make us an
offer!
 
martin carroll
carroll@mozart.att.com 
908-580-5331 (W)
908-276-1215 (H)
From: zelek@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Zelek)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
Subject: Re: Softball league
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:08:38 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Rutgers University

jjwright@remus.rutgers.edu (      Jay) writes:



>Im looking for a summer softball league in the new brunswick
>area.  can anyone help me out?

 I've played softball regularly for the last five years, and am very
interested in the above information, as well.  I'm in an intramural league
now at college, but it will end when the semester ends...

Chris [zelek@aramis.rutgers.edu]
From: thongbay@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Thongbay Vongpaseuth)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
Subject: apartment in nyc
Keywords: apartment, nyc, new york city, summer
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:47:49 GMT
Reply-To: thongbay@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Thongbay Vongpaseuth)
Distribution: nj.wanted
Organization: Columbia University


***Leaving the City for the summer?  
***Have an empty apartment on your hands?

In exchange for me to stay in your apartment,
I will:
      - water your plants
      - feed and take care of your fish
      - forward important mail and phone messages
      - keep your apartment clean
      - etc...

I am (almost - 5/92) a Columbia College graduate who is looking 
for an inexpensive way to stay in the City and enjoy it without
school work stress.  I am a very responsible, clean, and organized
(non-smoking) person.

Period of stay and a nominal fee (that I will pay you) are 
negotiable.  References for my character are available upon
request.  

Columbia University area apartment preferred.
please email me at thongbay@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu

thanks
From: vmg@cbnewse.cb.att.com (Victor)
Newsgroups: nj.housing,nj.wanted
Subject: Wanted apartment for rent, Manmouth county
Keywords: apartment rent wanted
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:24:06 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories


 WANTED:

 Large, luxurious one bedroom apartment in Manmouth county
 with as many of the following as possible:

 * Not too far from Holmdel
 * Heat and hot water included
 * Carpeting
 * Walk-in closet
 * Laundry facilities included
 * Garage
 * Exercise facilities
 * Close to the beach
 * Other nice servicies, frills.
 
 reply or mail pointers to honet4!victor  or
 call (908) 949-3923

  Thanks in advance

   Victor


-- 
 =============================================================
 Victor M. Mendoza_Grado                 mendoza-grado@att.com    
 AT&T Bell Laboratories                 
 =============================================================
Newsgroups: nj.wanted,nj.forsale,misc.wanted
From: lyndon@hera.uucp (27411-eng)
Subject: Room for rent
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: nj
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 23:42:10 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: Available Immediately




				ROOM FOR RENT

	Seeking professional male to share house.  Room available immediately.
Common areas include kitchen, bathroom, living room, and alternating use of
garage.  Asking $400/mo. plus utilities (shared).  Non-smoking, no pets.
	House located in Chatham (approximately 5 miles from Morristown and 7
miles from Whippany).
	Call (201) 635-6025 and leave message.




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From: mwu@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Minchun Wu)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted,misc.wanted,misc.forsale,nj.forsale
Subject: sublet available in June
Date: 11 Apr 92 16:25:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Apr11.162524.17657
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU



One bedroom in the three-bedroom Hibben Apt will be available for sublet for the
month of June. Walking distance from campus, nice view, quiet. Rent is $298 plus 1/3 electricity. 

Please contact mwu@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: pkg@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (pavan.gupta)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted,nj.housing
Subject: ROOMMATE WANTED
Keywords: housing, roommate
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:58:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Apr9.215824.2457
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

Share a two bedroom condo in Basking Ridge with private bath.
Rent $550 + 1/2 util.  Available May 1st.

Please send replies to att.whamr!pkg
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From: pkg@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (pavan.gupta)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted,nj.general,nj.housing
Subject: ROOMMATE WANTED
Keywords: housing, roommate
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:09:45 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

Share a two bedroom condo in Basking Ridge with private bath.
Rent $550 + 1/2 util.
Please send email to att.whamg!pkg
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
Subject: baby car seat needed
Summary: have one?
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:09:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: compu.1992Apr16.030957.21654
Organization: CompuData Inc.

We could use a second car seat for the new granddaughter. It's a pain 
switching the thing between cars all the time. If you have one that's no 
longer needed give me a price and message.
Fred

-- 
W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     Of what is oatmeal made? 
26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com   48% of Americans said wheat 
Beverly, NJ. 08010                            (Harper's)
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr
From: dlevine@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.s.levine)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
Subject: Playpen Wanted
Keywords: Playpen Wanted
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:31:52 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T

I am looking for a reasonabally priced used playpen, 
to use as a play area a small dog.

I would perfer on that has a 
plastic or water-proff floor of some sort.

I you have a playpen please contact me at:
908 576-3219
From: pd@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (patricia.a.dunkin)
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
Subject: doctor, Cherry Hill area, who will LISTEN
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:57:21 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

Does anyone know a doctor in the Cherry Hill area who:

1) is familiar with panic disorders and their related physical
symptoms?

2) is willing to run tests to determine whether there might be
a physical (i.e., not necessarily stress-related) cause for
one or more of the symptoms?

3) is willing to LISTEN to a patient instead of making
assumptions?

Please reply via email (pad@groucho.att.com || ...!att!groucho!pad).
Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: nj.wanted,nj.forsale,bcr.wanted,misc.forsale
From: adr@troy.cc.bellcore.com (rodriguez,alicia d)
Subject: HONDA SCOOTER FOR SALE
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: nj
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 13:25:01 GMT

*******************************************************************************
*********************    HONDA SCOOTER FOR SALE   *****************************
*******************************************************************************

1988 Honda Scooter Elite 80
Mint condition
3400 miles
black
seats two
great gas mileage - 1 gallon tank, ~60-70 mpg
storage compartment
men's medium helmet included
speeds up to ~50mph
can be seen in Ocean Grove, NJ.

This is a great mode of transportation, especially for tooling around campus
or the shore - it's easy to park and bypass traffic!

asking $600, or any reasonable offer.

Call Jay at 775-2024, or e-mail directly to this address.

*******************************************************************************
*******************   HONDA SCOOTER FOR SALE     ****************************** 
Newsgroups: nj.wanted
From: hun@panix.com (Paul Orvos)
Subject: Camping Tent Wanted
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:24:23 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

I'm looking for a used canvas camping tent
that will accomodate 4 people.  If you have
one in your garage or basement and you've
been looking to junk it, I'll buy it.
Phone me at work:
Paul rvos
(908) 253-3219
From: ang@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (wayne.p.langan)
Newsgroups: nj.market.autos
Subject: For Sale
Keywords: Toyota Pickup
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:12:05 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: AT&T


		FOR SALE: RED 1987 TOYOTA 4X4 XTRA CAB

	-5 spd 
	-110,000 miles
	-AM/FM Cass. 
	-Bed Liner  
	-Tool Box
	-4 NEW 31x10x15 General Grabbers on Chrm Rims
	-NEW Clutch 
	-NEW Front Disk Brakes 
	-NEW Radiator
	-Rancho RS5000 Gas Shocks
	-Grille/Brush Guard w/ Hella 181 Fog Lights.
	-Toyota Sound Package, Cold Kit, And Chrome Kit.
	-Sliding Rear Window. $3,500 or best offer.

Truck looks and runs like BRAND NEW! Reason for selling; no room for
two kids and a dog. Already have a trade-in offer of $2800.00


CALL WAYNE 908-949-3547 
-- 
Wayne Langan                          - 
AT&T Bell Laboratories               / \
wpl@hos1cad.att.com          TIMES  / 3 \  RACING
                                   /_____\
Newsgroups: nj.market.autos,nj.forsale,rec.autos
From: kfung@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kwong.f.fung)
Subject: Car For Sale: 1988 Mazda RX-7 (Low Mileage!!!)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: nj
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:15:59 GMT
Followup-To: poster

This is a posting for a friend, please call him directly.

------------------------------------------------------------------


1988 Mazda RX-7 2 Door Sport Coupe

	* 15K miles
	* One owner
	* Factory schedule maintenance
	* Air condition
	* Sunroof
	* AM/FM stereo cassette
	* 5 speed manual transmission
	* Exterior color: silver
	* Interior color: blue

Price: $8000 or best offer.

The car is in Jersey City, NJ

Please call Johnny at (201)433-4567
From: ziegler@nyquist.bellcore.com (Rob Ziegler)
Newsgroups: nj.market.autos
Subject: auto service recommendation sought
Keywords: service, Middletown area
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:16:40 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Bell Communications Research

Can anyone recommend a place to get routine (domestic) auto
maintenance done in the Middletown/Red Bank area?

How are the Goodyear/Firestone type service centers around
here?  Or is it better to use a (full-service) gas station?

Any help would be appreciated (i.e., it's time for service
again).

Thanks,

-- Rob Ziegler -- ziegler@nyquist.bellcore.com -- (908) 758-3057 --
Newsgroups: nj.market.autos
From: dxv@panix.com (Dan Varana)
Subject: 1985 Nissan 200sx Turbo
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:28:06 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Hi, I am posting this for a friend:

	1985 red Nissan 200sx sport coupe, with turbocharged engine.
Interior good condition, minor wear on plastic from sun.  Body good
condition, no rust holes.  Clocked 83k mostly highway mileage.  Originally
from Maryland.  Talking computer, air, power steering, brakes, windows,
removable sun roof, 5 speed manual and other gadgets.
	 For more info, please e-mail me.
			
					-Dan
From: lfischer@dartagnan.rutgers.edu (Lfischer)
Newsgroups: nj.market.autos
Subject: 78 chevy malibu for sale
Keywords: cheap
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:00:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartagna.Apr.7.12.00.41.1992.3733
Distribution: nj
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


runs.  No rust. amfm cass

$250 obo

Larry Fischer
work 201-438-2400 ext 225
home 908-494-9493
From: dxv@panix.com (Dan Varana)
Newsgroups: nj.market.autos
Subject: No sale for 1985 Nissan 200sx Turbo
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:26:32 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


	In regards to the car listed above, my friend does not wish to sell
it now.  He wants to hold on to it until he finish school ( around
August ).  So please no more replies, but I will post any messages
if he changes his mind.  Thanks for the time .