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Date:         Sat, 9 Jan 93 07:54:36 +1100
From:         fays@ARCHSCI.ARCH.SU.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: what is happening to this list?
Comments: To: "Tourism Discussions.."
              <TRAVEL-L%TREARN.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
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> There are at least 50 LISTSERVs/NewsGroups
> that were created to discuss issues like gays skiing in Colorado.
> (Those groups would feel that any discussion about traveling should
> be moved to a LISTSERV like ??? -- a hint is TRAVEL-L!)

Agreed! There are, at last count about a week ago, 3463 Bitnet groups
and 1868 Usenet groups covering just about every conceivable topic
for discussion. These groups are extensively categorised so that
discussions can be focused on the topic that is of interest to those
who subscribed to a particular list for that purpose. The topic of
TRAVEL-L is "discussion of tourism".

Since this is an unmoderated list, posts about irrelevant topics are
freely distributed. Keeping discussions focused must therefore be
a cooperative effort. We should consider that some people have
limited disk space and have to pay for connect time, and that
even hitting the delete key takes unnecessary time.

We can define the topic of tourism broadly without stepping into other
arenas, such as flames, rights for gays, politics.  I personally don't
mind questions about hotels since a Tourist Office in Timbuktu doesn't
usually have a definitive list of hotels in Woop Woop.  This, to my
mind, comes within the ambit of the intended purpose of the list.

My feeling is that the majority of subscribers prefer to have
discussions focused on the intended topic. I, for one, do --
what say you?

Fay
fays@archsci.arch.su.edu.au
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From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Re: Cincinnati candy
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:23:48 GMT

ASCOAT01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Ann S. Coates) writes:

>Curator of Slides, Fine Arts Dept.
>Phone: 588-5917

>The candy store/bakery mentioned is probably Graeter's.  They make
>chocolate chip ice cream from candy leftovers, and it is to die for!
>Although there are several outlets, the flagship store, I believe,
>is in Hyde Park, an area also interesting for its shops and galleries.

IMHO, Graeters is the best Ice Cream in the WORLD.. well at least in the US.
Even coming from Vermont, home to Ben and Jerry's... Graeters has the best icr,
er ice cream.  The chips are larger there then anywhere else.  The reason for
this is because they pour liquid chocolate (DARK chocolate) into the ice cream
while they are making it and as a result you can find chips that are actually chunks at least 2 inches long and 1 wide... very tasty.

Anyhow.. I recoment anyone going to cincy to get some...

-Noah Cole
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:12:23 EST
Comments:     Resent-From: Ya-Chih Tsai <NTHUS142@TWNMOE10>
Comments:     Originally-From: Ya-Chih Tsai <NTHUS142@TWNMOE10>
From:         "Ya-Chih Tsai" <NTHUS142@TWNMOE10.BITNET>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

Dear Netters,
     Being a Taiwanese, I have to say something about the unfriendly
responses to the massive postings from NSYSU of Taiwan.  I am sorry for the
troubles caused by my countrymen, but I hope you can understand that these
students are only a small part of netters from Taiwan and we've done something
to stop them.  If you've ever been to Taiwan, you'll find people here are
warm and friendly and you can understand the behaviors of these students are
basically enthusiasm-oriented.
     I hope, at least, the reputation ruined is of the Business Administration
Department of NSYSU, NOT of Taiwan.  It's embarrassing for me but I have to
stand forward to claim for the fair treatment to most Taiwanese netters.
     Thank you for your understanding and I hope this costly lesson for those
young NSYSU students will never happen again.
Regards,

Ya-Chih Tsai

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Dear Avner,
     I think you are doing the right things.  Most fellow netters suffered
the flood of junk mails and did nothing.  Some of the others complained.
Only a few really acted to solve the problem.  After I sent out my previous
mail to you, I've sent my advice to the NSYSU students individually.  It
seems that the junk mails is reduced; only 3 or 5 postings from NSYSU which,
I guess, are from newcomers.  I'll contact them privately.
     To speak frankly, I don't think I have the right to stop people.  I even
doubt I have the status to warn them; I can only give my advice to persuade
them from doing unwelcomed behaviors.  These students (most of age 20) don't
have malice.  They just want to get acquainted with foreign people and the
list offers them a free and quick path.  In Taiwan, most undergraduates have
never been abroad due to the restriction of military duty majorly or the
ecomonical reasons minorly.  I can imagine: one of these students happened to
find this list and introduced happily to his/her classmates and suddenly we
got a lot of postings oriented on curiosity, hospitalily etc...  I believe
they are aware that their behaviors have caused troubles to the list now.
Let's be patient.  Things will get better, I believe.
     Thanks for your zeal.  Oh, by the way, I am SHE, not HE.  Have a good
day.
Regards,

Ya-Chih Tsai
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Subject:      LIST-L ANE GADE
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     05-Jan-1993 11:57am EST
                                        From:     Ane Gade
                                                  GADEAK
                                        Dept:     INTERNATIONAL STUDIES
                                        Tel No:   262-2816

TO:  Remote Addressee                     ( _TRAVEL-L@TREARN.BITNET )


Subject: LIST-L ANE GADE

PLEASE ADD MY ADDRESS TO THE TRAVEL-L INTERNET LIST.

THANK YOU.

ANE GADE
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Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:29:00 CST
From:         B10RGR1@NIU.BITNET
Subject:      CHICAGO
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l


Ruth,
     Mid May will probably be sweater or jacket weather in Chicago.  You have en
ough
time to write the Chicago Tourism Council for more information at:
   City of Chicago, Office of Tourism
   Historic Water Tower in-the-Park        Fax: 312-280-5733
   806 N. Michigan Avenue                  1-800-ITS-CHGO
   Chicago, Illinois 60611                 312-280-5740

Chicago has great museums--Museum of Science & Industry, Field Museum, Chicago H
istorical
Society, The Art Institute of Chicago, John G. Shedd Aquarium to name my favorit
es.  Lincoln
Park Zoo is close to downtown, free, and not to big to tour around.  Will you by
 change be
coming to Chicago for the AIR Convention?


                                :)  Robin

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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:00:35 CST
From:         u7941908@BM.NSYSU.EDU.TW
Subject:      travel
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Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

Dear friends:



               When I was a child, I liked to travel. But I travelled with my
classmates. Now I plan to travel alonely when I am graduated. Because I am
 interestterested
in art, I want to countrys which have art's color. If you know where I can go,
please tell me.

                Thanks a lot.
                                                   YEA HUNG LIA
                                                   N.S.Y UNIVERSITY
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Date:         Sun, 10 Jan 93 12:16:23 EST
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From:         "Donna Foley (813) 974-4034 S/C 574-4034" <DBEABAK@CFRVM.BITNET>
Subject: Brochure: Tips for Women Travelers
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l


I thought others on the list might be interested in the following.
In the locate newspaper's travel section there was a note on a
brochure called "Tips for Today's Woman Traveler" available from
Budgetel Inns, 5678 Brown Deer Road, Milwaukee, Wis   53223 or
call (800) 428-3438 for a free copy.

The eight page brochure gives safety conscious suggestions.  An
example is if the front desk clerk annouces your room number in front
to others ask for another room.  Other planning and travel tips are also
included.

Donna Foley   dbeabak@cfrvm
University of South Florida
Tampa, Florida
From: STUHAA6@SAUPM00.BITNET (Haytham AboAysha (Hayt))
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l
Subject: Re: Information Branson, MO area.
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:31:51 GMT
Organization: King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals, S.A.
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Fred,

  The only thing I remember about MO that it was one of the cheapest
states that I have been to.. and people there were very nice and
friendly,, and one more thing.. the M.D. in St. Louis was Landmark
of that area..
Thanks


Hayt
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From: STUHAA6@SAUPM00.BITNET (Haytham AboAysha (Hayt))
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Subject: Re: Visite Mexico
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:02:10 GMT
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On Tue, 5 Jan 93 12:48:45 SAT Dean said:
>Hayt,
>Cancun is VERY touristy. Feels like you're in the U.S.
>Isla Mujeres is near Cancun and much nicer.
>I would highly recommend Zipolite on the Pacific coast, near Puerto
>Angel. And, if you decide you want a more touristy place, Puerto Escondito
>isn't very far away.
>                                      Dean

Dear Dean,

   I'll be in Los Angeles in the 18th and will go around San F. anf
Las Vegas till the 24th and then will go to MExico,, so what airport
you recommend me to get to in Mexico in order to see New Mexico and
Cancun??
Thanks for the info.


Hayt
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Date:         Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:51:00 CST
From:         Louis Crispino <DEVBLGC@TCSTSO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: New Orleans Trip
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

> Hello!
>
>      After much begging and pleading, my husband has convinced me to go
> once again to Mardi Gras in New Orleans from Feb 18th or 21st to
> Feb 28th.  This will be our second Mardi Gras, but this time we will have
> our two children (almost 2 and 4 yrs) and we will be there for several days
> after Fat Tuesday.
>      Aside from the obvious zoo and aquarium trips, is there a must see even
> that is an overnight trip away?  We will be staying with my brother who is
> a 12 year transplant from New York, but as many can attest to, you don't
> always explore where you live and work as you would as a tourist.
>      I have thought of a Plantation or Bayou tour.  Is there any in particular
> to see or avoid?
>      Any and all help would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
>
> Maureen

Hi,
   I'm also a New York transplant living in New Orleans (15 years).
I don't know exactly what your looking for or if you'll have a car,
but there are several plantations worth visiting, Oak Alley and
Houmas House come to mind. There are several others, most along the
river between New Orleans and Baton Rouge. I think the kids would
find it boring, though.

They might enjoy a boat ride in the swamp, and spoting alligators, try
Honey Island Swamp, near Slidell Louisiana, or you can hike through Jean
Laffite National Park, about 30 min drive from Downtown. (Across the
river, south of the city).

For an over night trip, you could head east to Pennsacola Florida to the
beach (if it's warm enough!) it's about 3 1/2 hours drive. Another
option is to head to Lafayette, about 130 miles west of New Orleans,
it's the heart of Cajun country, with an Acadian Village and local Cajun
dance halls. South of Lafayette is New Iberia and Avery Island, where
Tabasco is made. You can tour the factory and visit the Jungle Gardens,
a nature resreve with a 7 mile trail. Lots of Alligators, Egret nesting
area, even a giant Budda in the middle of the swamp !

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Louis Crispino,
New Orleans

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From: STUHAA6@SAUPM00.BITNET (Haytham AboAysha (Hayt))
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Subject: Best Western
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:49:08 GMT
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Dear Netters,

Any one have an idea about Best Western?
If so, is there a Best Western Hotel in Cancun (Mexico)
                                        New Olreans (USA)
                                        San Francisco (USA)
                                        Hawaii's (USA)

Where are thry located from the downdown and from the beach?
Are they BIG money at the end of Jan. 93 and Feb. 93??
What rates?
Help will be appreciated TOOOOOOO MUCH!
Thanks


Hayt
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 93 10:44:25 +1100
From:         Tmne Sperling <tmne@ARCHSCI.ARCH.SU.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: Ireland: alternative, New Age, or Green
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>
> What is there in Ireland, north or south, that is alternative, "New Age,"
> or Green ???

I am not exactly sure what you mean however perhaps you might want to do
some research into the Celtic and Druid past of Ireland. I remember
hearing somewhere that there were still some practicing Druids in
Ireland. There are definitely lots of ancient religious sites that are
very peaceful and beautiful to look at.

Also, I remeber reading in a guidebook about a folk festival in Doolin,
Co. Clare. I never made it to Doolin (I got sidetracked in other places
in Co Clare) however, perhaps its worth enquiring about.

Can I ask why you are interested, you have me very curious!?!? :-)

 -- Tmne
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 93 12:44:31 EST
From:         Lucy Rowland <LROWLAND@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      List Owner
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

I find this to be a remarkably useful list. However, it has been
plagued lately with many annoying messages, as evidenced by the
amount of antagonistic traffic. Obviously, this is not a moderated
list, therefore, everything that is sent to it is posted and
distributed, regardless of content.

I believe that list owners have the power (and perhaps even duty) to
unsubscribe those who send junk mail or messages outside of the
scope of the list. Some subscribers have to pay for access, and I'm
sure that having their space and time taken up with such stuff is
very irritating. Answering offensive messages seem to generate even
more volume, particularly if comments are directed to the list
rather than the initiating individual. If you feel you must respond,
please consider doing it directly to the offender.

I appeal to the list owner, whoever that might be, to bring the
subscribers back to earth and not allow this to become a medium
for petty arguments. Thank you to all those members who have
provided useful and interesting information about travel,
Lucy M. Rowland, MS, MLS
Head, Science Collections and Branch Services
University of Georgia Libraries
Athens, GA 30602-7412
706-542-6643
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 93 09:28:00 CST
From:         Louis Crispino <DEVBLGC@TCSTSO.BITNET>
Subject:      Where is Here?
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

Hi,
Just a thought.. some folks post messages like...

"Are the beaches in Australia as nice as here..."

or

"are hotels more expensive in London than here..."

but they don't say where  "here" is, and it's not always easy to
determine from your BITNET address. How about including a least a first
name and the location your writing from on all corespondence. I think it
would be a big help.

Louis, here in New Orleans.
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l
Subject: Best Travel Guide for London & Environs?
Date: 6 Jan 93 08:56:53
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In-reply-to: u7941930@BM.NSYSU.EDU.TW's message of Tue, 5 Jan 93 21:27:51: CST

I'm looking for a good travel guide--comprehensive in regards to what to
do/what you're looking at (like a Michelin), where to stay & eat on a
budget (like Let's Go), and, most importantly, one that gives a little more
than the usual "tourist fare"--like fun pubs and clubs.

Thankx in advance for any insight and "personal favorites"--I've found that
in addition to a "guidebook", it's the personal anecdotes that can really
help plan a memorable trip.

	/Anne
	<haycock@think.com>

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From:         "Donna Foley (813) 974-4034 S/C 574-4034" <DBEABAK@CFRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Central Florida tourist query
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You might want to try:

Titusville/Kennedy Space Center
    Spaceport, USA -  Exhibits of USA achievement in space
        exploration.  Cape Canaveral is nearby.

Another suggestion is to go out on a party boat for some salt water fishing.
The trip price will include bait, tackle and fishing license fees.

While this is probably out of your distance range, there is Busch Gardens in
Tampa.  It has roller-coasters and other rides along with its wild animals of
Africa.  It takes a full day to see.

Donna Foley  dbeabak@cfrvm
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Date:         Mon, 4 Jan 93 14:18:27 CST
From:         u7941902@BM.NSYSU.EDU.TW
Subject:      Walking on the waves at Yuanpei in the Pescadores
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Pescadores is in the west of Taiwan. Yuanpei is a small island in
the Pescadores that was formerly just a quiet fishing village, but
has lately become something of a tourist attraction. It owes its fame
to the "path on the sea."
	The 4.6 kilometer-long natural pathway crosses the sea from Shakang
on Penghu Pescadores to Yuanpei itself. At hight tide the trip across
by boat takes ten minutes. When the waters retreat however, the waves
seem to part, revealing a passable track to the island along a shoal.
	In the past the pathway was the islanders' transperation lifeline.
No one is certain when the pathway was discovered, and by whom. It must
have been used for at least a hundred years.
	From Sgakang to Yuanpei is the longest and most enjoyable to make.
Setting out from Shskang, with Yuanpei barely visible in the hazy distance,
one can't help wondering:"It's so far away, won't the tide come in when
we're only halfway across?" Yuanpei villagers laugh at the suggestion.
It takes them about on hour to make the journey, and although visitors
spend much longer walking, the two or three hours that the tide is out
is enough for anyone.
	The delight of " Walking on the waves" at Yuanpei comes partly from
splashing through the water with a gentle breeze in the midst of a
limitless expanse. But part of the attraction also lies in the variety
of marine life on view.
	Although you find yourself out in the middle of the sea at the point,
far beyond reach of any shore, it is not scary because the water is
generally only ankle deep, never reaching above the knee.
	With the recent media publicity about Yuanpei, the number of visitors
has incersed and there are fears for the condition of the pathway. I
hope this pathway on the sea can always stay the same way, and not
suffer any harm.
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