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From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Subject: Re: reward
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:50:06 GMT

In article <1drigbINN7cl@agate.berkeley.edu> Youssef Fawaz <@mcl2mac.berkeley.edu> writes:
>
>After all, the fact is you have flaunted your racism time and again
>in this forum without blinking an eye.
>

Hello Youssef,

Don't waste your time, you only hurt yourself unnecessarily. 
Whatever you try, no use.

I did some enquiries on how to avoide his articles and found out that I could
edit a certain file called a KILL file. This way, his articles are 
automatically skipped over. No offensive comments, no upsets. 

Regards, Ibrahim.

Are you from Chehim by any chance?
>
>Youssef Fawaz


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From: bent@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Thanks to Elie and I.Ballouz
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:26:44 GMT
 <1992Nov8.124415.22428@ulrik.uio.no> <1992Nov8.133945.22697@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Nov8.133945.22697@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>, ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz") writes:
> In article <1992Nov8.124415.22428@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:

>>elie wardini
 
> I.Ballouz
 
Thanks to both of you - Ben Tanner
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From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: an alternative to regain trust in Lebanon
Organization: UiO
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:15:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.104040.25249@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib
Wardini) writes:

etc.
>
>Plan to promote trust in Lebanon and to regain sovereignty:

etc.

>I hope that we will be able to come to some kind of agreement about such a
>proposal and try our best to get to be heard and to try to get it implemented.
>


Yes, as you can guess I am disappopinted!


not a word in response.

Talk reform, talk reconciliation talk ...... yes talk ............



kaleem faaDe

di@aanak ya Libneen, wlaa l-li ijo abilna wlaa niHna!

nshalla wleedna?


elie wardini
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From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: The Litani River
Organization: UiO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:19:10 GMT

In article <Nov10.184215.35440@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) writes:

>
>
>I am willing to do so, everybody interested can e-mail me.

put me on your list!

>|> If it is possible could you OCR the UN report?? amd send it to us?
>
>The report is being prepared by Dr. Evan Vlachos along with other
>researchers.  I would have to seek his permission before
>I use his report as a lobbying tool, but it may be that this
>document is public property once it is published.  I will
>defer to Dr. Vlachos before I can answer these questions.
>I will try to make as much of the information I get public.
>If I can I will scan the whole document and post it to scl
>and Leb-Net.

OK!

>
>
>I agree.  I think we should be very mindful of Israel's appetite
>for Lebanon's water resources.  If we do not address this question
>now and make it part of the public discourse, I am afraid our
>government will give dangerous concessions to Israel that would jeopardize
>the long-term economic and agricultural viability of South Lebanon.
>The Litani is the only major river system in the Middle East that has 
>all its sources, its channel and its point of confluence into the sea 
>within one country.
>Thus, according to international law its waters should unambiguously
>belong to Lebanon and only to Lebanon.  Our neighbours to the South
>have a different view of things and claim that we are a "water-rich" 
>country that neglects to use its resources, and thus has given up its
>legal claim to the totality of the Litani waters.

etc. etc.

>I guess the "Litani Project" should have been given a higher
>priority in the past.  But now is not the time to give up on
>it.  Water is the economic lifeline of every country, and is
>destined to become the next big point of contention in a 
>water scarce area such as the Middle East.  

You nkow I gave some thought! I thought maybe we could sell some of our water
to Israel. But then I though that this is like giving the little finger for
Israel to take the whole hand! how? yes, if one day we refuse to renew the
lease, opr refuse to sell even more water, we could be accused to be "waging an
enviromental war" against Israel, which like our good friend Saddam and like
him his twin brother Hafez, may decide to interfere.

No consessions to the Isarelis! We should aslo start thinking of how we are
going to develope the @aaSi (Orontes) since Syria has always stopped any
development that were proposed before the war.

>Basil
>

elie wardini
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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: JOKES
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:27:28 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Credit goes to Rania on this one:

There was this guy getting married for the fourth time...
So an old time friend of his has a reunion with him.
One thing led to another, and they were discussing the ex-wives.
Q: What happened to wife #1
A: She died out of a poisonous mushroom

Q: What happened to wife #2
A: She died after ingesting a poisonous mushroom

Q: How about #3 ?
A: She died out of a cracked head. She refused to eat the poisonous
   mushroom 

:-))
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Apology
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:56:58 GMT
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia

I want to thank Basil Hamdan for writing to me personnaly and pointed a 
possible mis-interpretation. I did not mean that the new Lebanese generation
are agents for Zionism. I was only convying that the US congress is entirely
pre-occupied with Syrian occupation, and not even mentioning the Israeli
occupation and diversion of water that has been known for the past 3 years.
It seemed to me reading Mr. Mourads posts that you are being used as a 
propaganda tool against the Syrians only to leave the Israelis' do what ever
they please in South Lebanon, even using the South Lebanese as a target
practice to keep their troops combat ready and airforce in top shape.

Please accept my humble aplogy if you have mis-interpreted my statement.
Please keep in mind, a Syrian is not going to bull doze you house and
confiscate your land, the Israelis' will like they did in Palestine. Also
strive to end all occupation, not just Syrian occupation.

Regards
Aziz
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Representatives
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:29:35 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


"Our great country is very proud of the accomplishments of the 
over three million Lebanese-American citizens. Your rich culture and
heirtage has been a welcome addition to the diversity of life that
we all treasure so much."
                                              Rep. Marilyn Lloyd

"Once known as a haven for all religions, Lebanon today faces a
crisis which calls for the understanding, cooperation and 
help of its family and friends throughout the world.
I concur with the former UN Secretary General, Javier Perez
de Cuellar, who stated that the Lebanese crisis is not a 
civil war among confessional groups, but an international problem.."
                                             Rep. Bill Lowery

"As we move more and more towards democratically controlled
nations we must not allow the annexation of another country.
Syria's movements against Lebanon cannot be tolerated as they
are movements against freedom."
                                             Rep. William H. Zilff, Jr.

"The Syrians' presence in the country has ushered unprecedented
human rights abuses and drug trafficking activity.
Repeatedly, we hear stories of atrocities committed 
against the Lebanese people as well as the increase in drug
trafficking facilities in Lebanon."
                                            Rep. James Traficant Jr.
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From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Films.  (Part 2 of 2)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:06:38 GMT

                                 Part 2 of 2.
                                ------------- 

This second and last part of the posting introduced earlier this week
involves short briefings on the other two movies of the series of the 
four films by Khleifi. 

                   Cinematheque Ontario Presents Three films 
                        by Talented Palestinian Director
                                 Michel Khleifi 

                                       at
                           The Art Gallery of Ontario
                                   Jackman Hall
                                317 Dundas St. West
                                  T O R O N T O  


The Movies are:
                (1)  The Fertile Memory      (1980)
                     Friday, November 27, 8:45 p.m.

                (2)  Wedding in Galilee      (1987)
                     Monday, November 30, 6:30 p.m.

                (3)  Canctile of the Stones. (1990)
                     Monday, November 30, 8:45 p.m. 

Fertile Memory will be preceded by the 30-minute documentary "Ma'loul" (1991).


WEDDING IN GALILEE:
(113 min)

Winner of many awards including the International Critics' prize at Cannes,
this film was the first Palestinian feature shot in Israel.  A work of great
beauty, intelligence and humanity, the film recounts the attempt of an arab
elder to marry his son in traditional fashion, the wedding extending from 
sundown to early morning.  Because village is under martial law, and the 
Israeli officials refuse to suspend curfew, he must invite the soldiers to
attend the wedding.  The sexual, political, and familial turmoil which 
ensues from his request provides a moving portrait of a "people trying
to create dignity, liberty, pleasure in a very difficult situation" (Khleifi).
Erotic and surprisingly humorous, the film is "one of the more remarkable
feature debuts of the past decade" 

---------------

Toronto Premiere

CANTICLE OF THE STONES:
(106 min)

Acclaimed at the 1990 Cannes festival, draws on Resnais's Hiroshima Mon Amour
for its narrative, and combines it with strikingly immediate documentary
footage, shot in Jerusalem and Gaza, of the Intifada. (Members of the crew
were wounded while filming).  
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From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Subject: Re: Lebanese in Ghana [under Rawlings]
Organization: University of Strathclyde
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:39:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.124415.22428@ulrik.uio.no> eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.230603.20403@yang.earlham.edu> bent@yang.earlham.edu
>writes:
>
>Benjamin, I do not personally know of any Lebanese who live in Ghana, but from
>what I gather, is that the Lebanese have a bad repuation in West Africa. Much
>of it is of course not based on truth, but some is true. It is so that many
>Lebanese have become rich quite quickly in West Africa. Some have done so by
>smuggling and other illegal acts. Yet most Lebanese there have gained their
>wealth through legal and normal hard work.
>
>It seems to me that in hard times in Ghana and the rest of West Africa,
>Lebanese among others have been designated as the scapegoats. By generalising
>from the Lebanese who have illegally gained a lot of wealth to those who have
>lead decent lives.
>
>From friends who live in the Ivory Coast, I know that life for the Lebanese
>there is becomming more and more difficult.

Lebanese in africa have done well. They did perhaps do some wrong business 
deals that made them vulnerable lately.

When troubles broke out in some african countries, Frensh and other europeans
business men sold their businesses to Lebanese.
For the ordinary africans, these deals appeared as a kind of trading conspiracy
between Lebanese and the "white men". This, and of course some illegal dealings
that a minority of the Lebanese have done, have angered many governments and
ordinary africans. Many of of the Lebanese businesses were targeted and 
destroyed. Many Lebanese lost their lives too.

I don't know any Lebanese in Ghana but I know some students from Ghana and I
can get some stories for you.

>
>elie wardini

I.Ballouz

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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ohm Salam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: The Syrian record.
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:32:03 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Nov4.143900.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>
>I have no problem with the above information; the only question is
>why CLAO only report about the (syrian) prisoners in syria. How about the
>lebanese prisoners in Isreal how about thiusands of lebanese prisoners in the
>KHYAM prison!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! unless.................


CLAO might issue other reports on other similar situations that occur
in the Middle East.  The most important issue here, and which we should
consider, is that such information (even though it is regarding Syria)
carries importance to people who are familiar with and sensitive to the
situation and appreciate updated information (since it is not publicized
in the country itself), and interest to those who may not be aware of the
situation.

I understand and respect your position, but we should be thankful instead
of analyzing or criticizing it.  We should support each other and be
sensitive to each other's needs and concerns.

B'khatrak -
Anisa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: The Syrian record.
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:48:29 GMT

In article <4305@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ohm Salam) writes:

>
>CLAO might issue other reports on other similar situations that occur
>in the Middle East.  

I am sure if You have read enough CLAO reports you would not have made
the above comment.

>                     The most important issue here, and which we should
>consider, is that such information (even though it is regarding Syria)
>carries importance to people who are familiar with and sensitive to the
>situation and appreciate updated information (since it is not publicized
>in the country itself), and interest to those who may not be aware of the
>situation.

Hitler's propaganda machine always carried updated information especially
to those who knew very little about the situation.  Usually it is most
effective on that kind of people.

>
>I understand and respect your position, but we should be thankful instead 
                                                                   ^^^^^^^^
>of analyzing or criticizing it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am certain that you, as a political scientist,  did not mean the above.

>                                 We should support each other and be
>sensitive to each other's needs and concerns.
>

Now, once one starts calling for a support of "each other" they have already
assumed that they do not view themselves as one.  That's where our
tragedy lies. The address above views the lebanese as if they are of 
different needs and concerns, again if that's one's starting point
then lebanon's current situation is the end one. Maybe we if 
felt that we were one then there will be no "his/her concern"
it will be "my concern" and there will be no need to campaign for
"my support" to  "his/her needs".

Fardoun's point (to whom your original response was addressed)
was simply the lack of the mere mention of a tragedy 
that touches the lives of thousands of lebanese, which was evident
in a "report" after "report", while CLAO's claim is that they are working  
against all "occupiers".  The point is that they are being hypocritical,
knowing CLAO and the people it represents their aim goes beyond pointing
out Syria's wrong doings.

>B'khatrak -
>Anisa

sharrafteh.

Samir.
>




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From: UPI
Subject: Exchange Rates
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:17:53 GMT
X-Note: This article was automatically cross-posted to soc.culture.lebanon

[ Article cross-posted without permission ]

                      USD per LL      LL per USD
                      Tue     Mon     Tue     Mon

Lebanon pnd       .000515 .000512 1940.00 1955.00

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From: krt@ddxrsg.mlo.dec.com (Khaled Tabbara)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Senators on Lebanon (Part I)
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:13:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: ryn.1992Nov10.221310.7694
Reply-To: tabbara@3d.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Nov10.205727.20393@trl.oz.au>, faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:
|>
|>|> 
|>|> "I want youto know that I share your concern about the continuing 
|>|> occupation of Lebanon by Syrian forces. I support the sovereignty,
|>|> independence, and territorial integrity of Lebanon, with a 
|>|> central government strong enough to unite its people, maintain order
|>|> adn live in peace in the region."
|>|>                                                     Sen. Edward M. Kennedy
|>
|>This is a big surprise from good old teddy, I did not even know that he is
|>aware of the Middle East and its problems. I thought he spent most of his
|>effort teaching morality and searching for moist and warm holes.
|>
|>|> 

Sen. Kennedy is now married to a an American woman who is
of Lebanese origin (family name is Reggy ?? maybe Rajji). So maybe his
search has ended ;-) 

Khaled
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From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Litani River
Organization: UiO
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:17:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.185958.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>
ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes:

etc. etc.

>	Of course there are common interests. The Hasbani, for 
>	example. Perhaps Lebanon is not interested in cooperation,
>	but this doesn't mean that both countries do not have
>	interest in the same water resources. Now, it is my understanding
>	that all those regional peace talks were meant to gather _all_
>	sides in the mideast to come up with solutions to as many 
>	problems as possible. Each country can contribute in one or
>	many areas. You can give in one area and take in the other.

Shalom alekha Noam, ma-shlomkha?

I do not want to understand your comment here as meaning that it is aceeptable
for us LEbanese to say, well Israel occupies part of Lebanon. THerfore we
should give a bit of our water to get back a bit of our land?

I hope you were not meaning that, and I hope that it is not the policies of the
Israei government. For I, for my part will not compromise one part of land or
water.

The Litani is fully in Lebanon and it is none of Israel's buisiness

Adonai says in the Torah:

lo takhmod bet re'ekha, lo takhmod esheth re'ekha, ve-avdo, ve-amato, ve-shoro,
ve-khamoro, ve-kol asher lere'ekha!

meaning: you shall not covet your neighbour's house, his wife slave etc. etc.

ko amar Adonai!



elie wardini
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Representatives on Lebanon
Organization: UiO
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:04:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.211132.20619@trl.oz.au> faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz
Faris) writes:

etc. etc.

>
>The Pheonicians and Syrians are the same people. For those who claim to be
>Pheonicians, remeber your favorite man, Assad can also make that claim. He was
>born and raised very close to Ugarit, the ancient Pheonician city. The
>Pheonicians traded with Syrian goods that was manufactured at places like
>Ebla, Damascus, Alalakh, Hama, Mari and the list goes on.
>

Aziz, let me note to you that when Ugarit existed, there was nothing called
Syria. In fact the name Syria is Geek and foreign to the Middle East.

More over, Ugarit was a Canaanite city that lay outside "Phoenicia" proper.

Phoenicia extending from Arwad to Akka (generally speaking).

NMevertheless there is no need to confuse Aram with Phoenicia. Even the Greeks
who coined the name Syria, made this distinction. The Aramaeans had their
country Aram extending from northern Mesopotamia (border area between
preset-day Iraq, Syria and Turkey) to Damascus.

It would interesting to read the the texts regarding the different areas of the
Middle East.

note that Damascus is paired with Hama very often, while Lebanon (Mountain and
valley) is paired with the cities of Tyre, Sidon etc.

anyway, what ever happened in the past, may change with time. Yet note that
there are very few Lebanese that I know of, persons or politicains who wish to
merge with Syria. Therefore the best thing that can be done, is for the Syrians
to respect the independence and sovereignty of Lebanon, and then maybe we could
be good neighbours and tend to our common interests. 

>
>A.Faris
>



elie wardini
From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: stay-cool
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:01:55 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde


Mr Mourad,

In my last post, I meant to to say at the end that I appreciate your tone
in you last article. 

Stay cool.

I. Ballouz
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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Gen. Aoun on pres-elect Clinton
Date: 8 Nov 92 14:59:31 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


From CLAO:

In an interview with the daily al-Hayat (Nov. 5) Prime Minister Michel Aoun
said that Bill Clinton's victory would be beneficial for Lebanon.
He added: Washington will not abandon the peace (process) policy in
the Middle East, but it will not hand out consolation prizes. Hence,
Lebanon will not be (given away as) a consolation prize to anyone."

The General said that Clinton had committed himself to good general
principles on Lebanon, the essence of which is that "he wants to 
see Lebanon as independent and sovereign state as soon as possible."
At any rate, it can't be worse than it has been (under George Bush).
Clinton upholds principles for solutions that respect our rights. That
is what he conveyed during talks with people concerned with Lebanese
affairs.

General Aoun concluded that the policy of George Bush lacked morality.
Bush cared only about his country's material interests, not its
credibility. Clinton, on the other had, would pursue US interests but
at the same time seek to change his country's image by restoring its
credibility.
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