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From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris)
Subject: IBM SIMMs (was: Dell SIMM != standard SIMM?)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:15:53 GMT

jjm13@po.CWRU.Edu (Jeff Murphy) writes:

>>In article <nc00.716820324@hawk> nc00@eurotherm.co.uk (Neil Corlett) writes: 
>>>
>>>They have the same number of pins as the PS/2 SIMMs but unfortunately the
>>>PS/2 SIMMs don't work.

>>Hmmm... do you know if they are the same SIMMs as used in the
>>Zenith?  I have a few that I bought from a surplus... err, 
>>used RAM dealer which I now would like to part with.  It would
>>be great to know if they are compatible with the Dell.

>Zenith SIMMs, as far as I can tell, are identical to PS/2 SIMMs.  The
>reason I know this is because I am using PS/2 SIMMs in my Zenith...

Unfortunately, PS/2 SIMMs are not always the same as PS/2 SIMMs.  There
are various flavors, and you gotta get the right flavor for your particular
use.  I found out the hard way that putting a mod 80 SIMM in a mod 70
motherboard (with the same speed rating as the others, and later by itself
with the others removed) resulted in a system which wouldn't even start
the POST routines.

The IBM-manufactured SIMMs don't even have an IBM part number on them...a
major departure from its usual everything-has-a-part-number mindset.  A
query to IBM's internal ASK-INFO got a rather apologetic response that the
only way to tell the SIMMS apart was by looking for a resistor in a
particular place on the SIMM board; the IBMer found this by opening several
machines in his office after I raised the question.

Incidentally, if you plan to get memory for a PS/2 there's an IBM pub
called "Personal System/2 & Printers Sales Advisor" which gives all the
hardware configuration information you need including SIMM part numbers.
The existence of this book isn't at all well-publicised, but anyone who
supports PS/2 systems should get a copy.  Pub number is G320-9781; the
revision level I've got is -06.

Joe Morris / MITRE
From: ross@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Modem and VGA help, please?!
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:50:04 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Connecting a Modem & VGA advice, please!
Summary: How to connect a Modem, and a little problem with my VGA board.
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Keywords: 

I've laid my mits on a second hand modem, but with no manuals.
My first problem is connecting it to my PC - I have a 286 with hard disk.

The socket on the back of the modem is a 25 Pin Male D-Socket.

On the back of the PC I have ...
	15 Pin Male D-Socket, on the same board as the mouse connector.
	9 Pin Male D-Socket, on the same board as the monitor connector.
	9 Pin Female D-Socket, on the same board as the printer port.

I'm afraid that's all the info I have - I also little documentation for the 
PC! 

Could anyone suggest what lead I will need to connect the modem, and to which
sockets?


Finally, on a couple of programs I have been using, in one of the VGA modes
I am getting a single line of pixels down the left hand side of the screen.
I'm not sure if they have always been there, or have recently occurred - 
I didn't notice it until a friend pointed it out. It definitely always 
occurs when I try to play Scorched Earth (shareware game). Any suggestions?

Please reply via e-mail.

Ross
From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: CPU HEATING BILL
Date: 4 Oct 1992 03:41:28 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep27.210319.436@ariel.ec.usf.edu> fevrier@sunburn.ec.usf.edu. (Ian Fevrier (EE)) writes:
>
>I use a 486-50 which has a front panel switch that toggles the
>speed between 50-mhz and 16-mhz. Does anyone know whether the cpu
>runs appreciably cooler at 16-mhz? 

huummmm, interesting question.  my guess is that it wouldn't, since
so much electricity is still flowing through the chip... (just a wild
guess.... so, please don't torch me if i'm wrong)

well, why don't you just get a fan?  in fact, that's why i just did
this afternoon and thus far, the results have been quite promising.
(got a 3" fan from radio shack and sat it about 5" away from the 
cpu... good thing i have a full tower)  I can tell that the chip
is running cooler just by touching it. (no more scorched fingers!  :)

david shy
shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu


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From: stewart@pioneer.unm.edu (Jim Stewart)
Subject: Wanted: Perstor & Iomega Drivers
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 04:57:47 GMT
Organization: Space and Planetary Image Facility
Summary: Want device drivers
Keywords: Iomega, Perstor, Drivers, Wanted

I was given a couple of pieces of PC hardware without the necessary
device drivers and/or utility software to make them work.  I was
wondering if anybody knew where I can get some (i.e E-mail perhaps?)
of this software.

1) Low Level formating program for a Perstor 200 series (16 bit) Hard Disk
   Controller.

2) Device Driver and perhaps any formatting program for an Iomega 10 Meg
   Bernoulli Box with a "PC3" adapter.  (Or if somebody would like to buy this
   thing, I'll sell it at the right price)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.hardware,misc.forsale.wanted
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Plug VGA monitor into a MAC...
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:16:33 GMT

In article <BuoLMr.J6H@rice.edu> jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong) writes:

>Yes, but a couple of articles in MacUser and MacWorld strongly implied
>that one could, with the right cable, use VGA monitors on Mac II series
>computers.

I've seen a Mac II hooked up to an old Nec MultiSynch using a 
cerebus cable (3 heads  9-)  ). Don't know about a standard VGA 
cable though......





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From: jmc@mas1.UUCP (John M. Cooney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: PS/2-80s for sale
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:49:52 GMT
Organization: Measurex Automation Systems, Cupertino CA

We have three IBM PS/2 Model 80 (type 8580-071) computers for sale
at $800.00 each:

	* 8 MB RAM
	* 70 MB internal hard disk 
	* 115 MB internal hard disk
	* 1.44 MB 3.5" floppy drive
	* VGA graphics adapter (built-in)
	* IBM mouse
	* IBM keyboard
	* Parallel port (printer)
	* Serial port
	* 8 Micro-channel slots (one used for memory)
	* Reference diskette

Additional 8 MB ram is available for $150.00.  Purchaser must arrange for 
pickup in the Cupertino California area.

Contact: John Cooney  -or- Boris Lasman
		415-864-6787
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From: chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: CrystalScan 1572FS *and* Re: ATI Graphics Ultra Pro Local Bus...
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:54:03 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Keywords: gateway 200, ATI, local bus, video, drivers, 486
Originator: chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu


In article <1644@cogsci.ucsd.EDU>, king@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Jonathan King) writes:

> 
> Hmm.  What the guy I talked to said was this: ATI "New Generation"
> Graphics Ultra.  Maybe they just switched to this card, or maybe they
> just correctly informed their sales reps.  Or maybe they've all been
> smoking Japanese-made Intel-based hallucinogens. :-)

	I think that this card is the ATI Ultra Pro card which fits in
the one of the VL-BUS slots. (Some one please correct me if I am wrong.)
 
> The dude also said that this card would drive 1280x1024 (16 colors) at
> some not very exciting refresh rate, but didn't volunteer exactly what
> else it would do (and I, stupidly, didn't ask; I was too excited).

	If it is the ATI Ultra Pro.  It would probably conform to the 
VESA standard.

> So the *real* question is: what the heck is this ATI New Generation
> Graphics Ultra, and how can they offer it in their newer, beefier,
> cheaper package and avoid bankruptcy?
> 
	In one of my earlier posts, I indicated there may be another
price war going on.  This may be a clear sign of that.  If true,
shop around for another month or so and you will find that same 
package may drop as low as the $2000 range.  I am just speculating.

> The other question is: has anybody had anything bad happen to a
> CrystalScan *15*" monitor (the CrystalScan 1572FS)?  They were
> offering me one for as a $125 upgrade (!).  Is this sucker really just
> an OEMed MAG MX15F, or is mildly (or majorly) retarded in some way, as
> USA Flex's FlexVision 15" monitor is (e.g. lower vertical scan
> frequency, different controls).
> 
> Answers to the monitor question can be by email (I'll summarize) or by
> net if you think it's of general interest.  (Hey, I think that $2360 +
> $95 shipping/handling for a 486/33 with 2 VL-bus slots, an ATI card, a
> 15" flatscreen monitor, and a piece of useful software is of general
> interest, but what do I know. :-))
> 
> jking

	Happy Shopping,

Chung Yang
From: fevrier@sunburn.ec.usf.edu. (Ian Fevrier (EE))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: CPU HEATING BILL
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:03:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of South Florida, College of Engineering


I use a 486-50 which has a front panel switch that toggles the
speed between 50-mhz and 16-mhz. Does anyone know whether the cpu
runs appreciably cooler at 16-mhz?
From: dajiang@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Why nobody mention Hayes 14.4K modem?
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:55:11 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

schuster@panix.com (Michael Schuster) writes:

>In article <1a5v4sINN6rl@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> dj@woodruff.weru.ksu.edu (DJ D. Ding) writes:
>>I wonder why nobody consider Hayes 14.4K modem. I tried a Hayes 9600 modem 
>>which works ok with another same type of modem at 9600 baud rate. But when
>>I tried to use it to dial in University's 9600 modem (unknown type), the 
>>connection rate decrease to 2400 baud. Does Hayes only talk to its own in
>>high speed or something else is not set up right?

>You must have the V-Series SmartModem 9600.
>That's the problem - it will talk at high speed =ONLY= to another Hayes
>V-Series. People have long-since abandoned such dinosaurs that use
>proprietary modulations exclusively, for CCITT-compliant modems that
>don't have the connectivity troubles you describe.


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Exactly they are V-series smartmodems. We have to make the purchase before
the end of the fiscal year so this stink deal came. How about 14.4K
Hayes Ultra series modem? Are they CCITT-compliant?
From: ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: 5.25" drive won't see disk changes...NEED help!
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:36:32 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

My 5.25" disk won't recognize disk changes! Even if I take the disk out and
leave the door open, it still will show me the disk's directory! I can get it
to realize that their's a new disk by running Norton Disk Doctor on A:. Is
their a faster way? A program perhaps? What's wrong anyway? I've checked the
wires and they are just fine! One for the scrap? :( Thanks!
c
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From: scst52@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. A.M. Blanchard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: HP DeskJet 500 driver v3.0a problem
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:17:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

I tried to install the version 3.0a driver for my DJ500C last night, and
although I have a working system, I get a general protection fault in
SFI.DLL whenever I try to create screen fonts.  Yet Windows has all of
my printer fonts installed in the font list.  Has anyone else had this
problem?  Is there a workaround?


   Andy

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:50:45 EDT
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 3-chip-simm look good on Chip+Techn 8230 chipset
 <23530@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>

In article <23530@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>, bill@solaria (Bill Neisius) says:

>Reinhard Kirchner (kirchner@uklira.informatik.uni-kl.de) wrote:
>: Hello,
>:
>: to make things clear I went to my friedly dealer, got 4 3-chip-simms,
>: put them into a Epson 386/20 and
>: - run all memory test programs I have
>: - run an application ( P-CAD ) which definitely uses expanded memory
>:
>: and all worked.
>:
>: So this is strong evidence that 3-chi-simms can be used in these machines,

>Well, not necessarily.  The 3-chip problem does not show up on any known

I suppose this is a FAQ, but would someone explain what the problem is with a
"3 chip SIMM". I would guess it refers to a 1MBx9 SIMM built with 2 1MBx4
chips and another for parity. I see no compatibility problem with replacing
8 1MBx1 with 2 1MBx4, so is the problem with the added chip for parity?
Please only answer if you really know. :-)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ajb8886@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: 24X still will not do 800*600 32K at 72Hz
Reply-To: ajb8886@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:55:27 GMT

In article <BvG86I.JC4@encore.com>, mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) writes:
>I received version 2.02 of the 24X drivers yesterday from Daimond in response
>to my 800*600 32K problem @ 72Hz.  (Missing top 2" of screen - Ok at 60Hz).
>
>The new drivers DO NOT fix the problem.  I suppose no one else has this working
>at 72Hz either?
>
>
>Regards,
>Mike palmer
>Telephone: (305) 797-2326 (W)   (305) 7546-3146 (H)
>
One question:  Did you run the 24XMode program to make sure your monitor
settings are indeed correct for the 72Hz mode?  And are you sure that
your monitor does indeed support 72Hz refresh in this mode?

Try loading 24Xmode, going to Custom, and playing with the options for
800*600 mode; see whether any of them work correctly for your monitor
at 800*600 * 72Hz.

If there is a change of any setting, don't forget to put the line
24XMODE MONITOR in your autoexec.bat (no it's not a TSR, it just sets
the chip configuration and exits) so that your card is configured correctly
for your monitor at all times.

Hope the information is useful.

Alex


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: krauthamer@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Bryan Krauthamer)
Subject: Corel SCSI Controller?
Reply-To: krauthamer@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:41:24 GMT

Does any one have any info or opinions on this item?

Bryan Krauthamer
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: kgermann@zeos.com (Ken Germann)
Subject: Re: No VL-BUS for 486/50 Mhz?
Organization: Zeos International, Ltd
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:57:16 GMT

In article <K6z-D#=@engin.umich.edu> chyang@exemplum.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
>
>	Someone posted earlier that since the VESA defines their clock
>speed only up to 40 Mhz, therefore using a processor above that speed 
>would be useless.  Is that true???
>
>	I thought BUS speed is a completely different entity from processor
>speed, since we've been running 33MHZ or 50MHZ on a 16-bit 8 MHZ ISA(AT)
>BUS?  And that is why we use memory cache to offset this speed difference. 
>Isn't it safe to assume that this 32-bit 40 Mhz VL-BUS will only 
>improve the performance of the 486/50MHZ? 
>
>Any Computer Archictecture Specialists out there? 
>

I will post the generic VESA Local BUS specs as soon as I can get my
hands on the databook.

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From: brent@auspex.com (Brent Largent)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Wangtek streamer..
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:25:49 GMT
Reply-To: brent@iam.unibe.ch
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Berne, Switzerland

> 	The connector is like SCSI, but it's card-edge and not
> 	a pin connector such as harddisks have. But the cable itself is 
> 	just like SCSI, just as wide. 
> 
> 	The model number I found in it is: 5099EN24. 
> 
> 	Is this streamer really a SCSI-streamer or something else? 
  
This is a Wangtek QIC-02 drive interface, although it is a 50pin connector,
it isn't SCSI compatable.  I think that someone makes a SCSI-QIC converter board,
or you can get a QIC IF card.
Brent.
From: tkhut@ap.cl.msu.edu (Scott Karre)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Local Bus Video vs. 2Meg Windows accelerator cards.  WHich is best?
Date: 3 Oct 92 05:27:48 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University, USA


      I recently saw a 386DX 40 with a 2Meg windows accelerator card running
that really impressed me with how much that one card increased the entire
performance of the machine.  I myslef have a 386DX 33 and can run wing
commander 2 from windows, if I want to wait 5 minutes for each frame to go
by.  The 2Meg windows accerator card allowed my friend to run wing 2 at 
totally normal speed under windows.  Hell, the card ran so fast that the
sound blaster pro got choked up on digitized speech and I was hearing 10
word sentences get spoken in 1/2 a second.  

	I've also heard that local bus just flies as far as all graphic
oriented processes go.  So which would you suggest I go with in a new
system?  On the one hand, the accelerator card most likely doesnt give you
the speed that local bus can, though it is a quantum improvement.  On the
other, theres no standard for local bus.  So how would you go about it?

    ANy info would be Greatly appreciated!

	Kris


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From: paulo@bass.bu.edu (Paulo Lam)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: how much power is necessary?
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:01:35 GMT
Organization: Boston University

hi, guys 

well, every computer dealer out there
is selling computer with a 200+ watts
power supply, I know more the better, 
but how much is really necessary.  For
example, if you have 486DX-50, with 2
hard drives, CD-ROM, sourd blaster,
tape backup, modem, is the 200watts
power supply good enough, how about 160watts?

just curious

-bc


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mcrosby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew Crosby)
Subject: Need miniscribe HD info
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 05:34:42 GMT

Hi all!!

Sorry to be a problem, but I'm looking for the heads\tracks\etc. information
for a minicribe 7213AT HD, for a friend.

Please reply by email...saves on net resources!!!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: erc@netcom.com (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Colorado DJ20 "Jumbo" Tape Drive speed
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 11:20:29 GMT

In article <5295@sumax.seattleu.edu> grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba) writes:
>Just from the top of my head, wouldn't 188 megs be above the DC2120's
>(assuming you're using these tapes) uncompressed capacity? If so, then
>maybe it's taking longer because of compression. 
>
>George
>
>
>In article <1992Oct3.201042.4671@netcom.com> erc@netcom.com (Eric Smith) writes:
>>
>>When I back up 150 megabytes from my hard disk to my Colorado tape drive,
>>it takes less than one hour.  When I back up 188 megabytes, it takes about
>>six hours.  Does anyone know why?


150 and 188 both need compression.  But why does 188 take six hours vs
1 hour for 150?  Why should the final 38 megabytes slow it down by an
order of magnitude?  It seems really weird.  I'm using a 486/33.

One more thing that seems really weird is that when I try to use Maxell
DC2120 tapes, they always get excessive errors.  3M and Sony work fine.
Why should Maxell tapes be bad for this drive?  How can they be that
different if they are DC2120 tapes?  I tried two Maxells and both of
them got excessive errors, and I tried a whole big stack of 3M and
Sony tapes, and every one of them worked fine, so it isn't just a random
coincidence.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: rjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald Jones)
Subject: Re: WANTED: 17" monitor recommendation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:13:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.171400.24117@bnr.ca> tracyb@bnr.ca (Tracy Blomquist) writes:
>I just got off the phone with another tech rep from Philips.
>It seems that the 1st tech rep didn't know his stuff.  I had
>the new guy fax me some specs, and at 1280x1024 the 1764 only does
>60Hz!  I was led to believe it went higher by someone else at
>Philips.  The 100Hz max refresh that they advertise is for
>lower resolutions.  So to revise...
>
>For high 17" refresh at 1280x1024, there are few choices:
>Nec 5fg ($$), Nanao T560i ($$$), any others?
>
The MAG 17F does at least 60Hz at 1280X1024. Its max vertical is 120 Hz.


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