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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Thai kickboxing
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 14:35:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.102132.23848@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>>Someone should post a disclaimer at the top of the newsgroup:  
>>WARNING--this newsgroup has the following sacred cows that are not to be 
>>touched.  

	Well, there are certain things which you should never do.
	Don't spit in the wind.
	Don't sass a cop.
	And, whatever you do, don't say, write, think or type anything like
"TKD is Korean Ballet" within sensor range of Mary Malmros. Mary is generally a
very cool and reasonable person, but if you inpugn the honor of TKD, she
can turn into Napalm Woman and get very punchy-kicky.

--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: What is enlightenment?
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:15:24 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1993Jan9.191941.27497@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak) writes:
>
>  It is very easy to say what enlightenment is.  But saying what
>enlightenment is and getting it are entirely different things.

While I was in school in Boulder I read a fascinating book
about a set of psychological studies of meditation, and
particularly of a few practitioners who were held by their
communities to be enlightened (if I remember correctly,
several were Buddhist monks and one was an Indian yogi).
What interested me was that the study showed several measurable
difference between heavy practitioners of meditation and
a control group. Even more interestingly, the 'enlightened'
persons also seemed to exhibit measurable differences from
the 'non-enlightened'. The differences I remember most was
that there was a difference in the response to Rorschach
tests. The statistical difference was a high degree of 
structured correllation between successive interpretations.
The normal clinical interpretation of such correllation is
that the subject shows signs of paranoia, but the enlightened
subjects' interpretations were different in both degree and
kind from the classic paranoiac profile. Anecdotally, the
notable difference was that a paranoiac invents stories that
connect one Rorschach image to the next; the enlightened
subjects connected all images to all the others, and used the
invented stories to teach a lesson about spiritual principles
in the process.

I'm afraid I don't remember the author's name or the title.
If someone is fiercely interested in the book I might be
able to figure out what it was with a trip to the library.

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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: The Meaning Behind Style Names
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:42:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.200224.11260@bnr.ca> mholden@bcarh786.bnr.ca (Mark Holden) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I'm a casual reader of this newsgroup. I was just wondering if anybody
>has a list of, or knows the meanings of, the various style names, or parts
>of style names.
>
>For example:
>
>   - What does "do" mean in "karate-do", "judo", or "tae kwon do"?

	Do has at least 14 different meanings, but the on in question
	is "way" or "path"

	Jutsu has two meanings, the relevant one being "art" , "technique"
	"means" or "conjury", the first two being the most applicable.

>   - What does "ju", "su", or "jiu" mean in "ju-jutsu" or "jiu-jitsu"? 

	Ju as applied here means "soft", therefore jujutsu == soft art or
	soft technique.	

>   - What does "jitsu" mean?

	An improper transliteration of "jutsu".  The transliteration 
	"jitsu" means either "day" or "truth", depending on the character.
	

>   - What does "hapkido", "tae kwon", or "ninjutsu" mean?

	I'm clueless on korean, however Ninjutsu == nin + jutsu
	nin == "to bear", "hide", "conceal", "avoid", "endure"
	Lie hidden"... Therefore ninjutsu == the art of being
	undetected... basically == find him, kill him, leave quickly.

	-X
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From: jwalters@stsci.edu (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
Subject: Re: The Origin of Western Thinking Process
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:06:16 GMT

It's an atomic bomb Billy, Duck and Cover!
		- From an old civil defense film
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: T'ai Chi or Pa Kua in Palo Alto area
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:28:44 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: ba
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In article <1993Jan5.083528.10132@netcom.com> gperkins@netcom.com (Glen C. Perkins) writes:
>I studied Ba Gua from Kumar Frantzis in Berkeley. He now teaches
>only in San Rafael, as far as I know.

In the East Bay, I can recommend Joe Crandall for Ba Gua, and Jack Man Wong
for Hsing I.  Sifu Wong teaches at the Oakland First Unitarian Church Tue/Thu
nights, and last I heard, Joe was still in Willard Park (in Berkeley)
Mon/Wed/Fri nights.

If I were to study either art, these are the people I would go to.


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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: NINJUTSU
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:46:33 GMT
Organization: Twilight Zone

In article <7026.897.uupcb@meaddata.com> jo.lavoy%theweb@meaddata.com (Jo Lavoy)  writes:
>     I've posted a couple of things here about ninjutsu but rarely see a
>reply and NEVER a reply to me (which is downright discouraging when you
>have to wade through hundreds of messages).   Is there nobody else here
>who studies Togakure ryu Ninjutsu?  Even better would be to "meet"
>someone who attended Stephen K. Hayes' seminars and who was working
>within his Kasumi-An system.
>   

	Silly person... did you really think that any serious, self respecting
	ninja would actually reaspond to such queries... as in give themselves
	away???  Heavens to Murgatroyd!  Exit... stage left.

	-X
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Stephen Chan E-Mail?  Sorry, folks.
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:10:42 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

Stephen,

I tried to reply yesterday and got back "user unknown" to
your schan@birch.srg.af.mil address.  Do you have another
internet address I can use?

Thanks.

Terry Chan
--
Energy and Environment Division   | Internet:  TWChan@lbl.gov
Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory      | 
Berkeley, California  USA  94720  | Yeah, right.
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Kote Gaeshi
Date: 4 Jan 1993 16:45:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
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There have been various articles describing and defining 
Kote Gaeshi. As Andy pointed out, much Jujutsu comes from 
defenses against Swords, short swords, knifes, daggers, etc. 

The Samurai wore an arm sheath which protected the back of
their hand to the elbow and offered protection to the back
of the arm and wrist/forearm as well. This protective devise
was called Kote. 

Grasping the Kote and turning counterwise became Kote Gaeshi.
How is the Kote grasp. Depends on the system. But *any hold* from
the back of the hand to the forearm can be considered Kote.

Our Kote Gaeshi is entirely different from Aikido. We call the
Daito version Katate Tori (Single hand hold). The elbow is slightly
out and away from the body with the forearm making a "V" WRT to
upper arm. The hand/wrist is twisted accordingly.


---
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Karate Kata question: tekki series
Date: 8 Jan 1993 09:52:46 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

>performed in "Naihanchi-dachi".  I don't know what Naihanchi-dachi is,


Dachi is Japanese for stance.  Consequently Naihanchi-dachi is the stance
characteristic of the Naihanchi (or tekki or tokki or Chul Gi-- whose ox
should be gore today?) form-- namely a horse [or side] stance.
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Car Jack
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:26:22 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
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In article <1993Jan6.091245.29619@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>I don't think these issues have anything to do with law.  If I were committed
>to carrying a gun in the car, I would do so with or without the law on my
>side.  My life (and anyone else's) is more important than the law as it
>pertains to gun restrictions.

I don't want to encourage anyone to carry a weapon illegally, but I know
of a lot of people who do just that.  They are otherwise mature,
law-abiding citizen who feel a need to have the means to protect themselves
at their disposal.  They don't get arrested because they dress in suits
and don't act like idiots.

But that's not why I'm writing.  I you do carry a gun and you end up
using it to legally defend yourself, it might save your life; and if
you've been really good, you just might get someone like me on your 
jury.  It only takes one not guilty out of twelve to acquit.


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From: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Anyone practice Gracie?
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:57:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.144054.6900@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>  
tino@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (allen.j.tino) writes:

> They are used to balls-to-the-wall, all-out, "real" fighting --
> and are ready to defend and demonstrate their style on the spot.
> No bullshit.  How many of us can say the same?

How could a MA with a "power" style possibly test them?  If
the attack against the Gracie artist is pulled, then it can be
"absorbed".  If it isn't pulled, serious injury could result.

--
Nathan Janette
PPP link from hilbert.csb.yale.edu

Please reply to: nathan@laplace.csb.yale.edu (NeXT)

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From: giguere@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Giguere)
Subject: Martial arts and the gut
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:03:17 GMT

Having taken Aikido for a few months now, I'm pleased with the way my body is
responding to the regular exercise sessions.  But I can't say that I've noticed
my stomach area responding as well as my chest area -- i.e., I still have a 
bit of a pot-belly.  Looking around at other people who do martial arts (not
necessarily Aikido) I've noticed that some very strong and fit people still
have a "gut".  Then I had a discussion with a friend about toning exercises 
for the stomach and he expressed concern that such exercises would hinder
your use of the "one point" just below your navel by not allowing you to
relax properly in that area.

Any opinions on this?  Is getting rid of fat and building muscles up in
and around the stomach area good or bad?

-- 
 Eric Giguere                                    giguere@csg.UWaterloo.CA
          So is Windows NT short for "Windows, NOT?"
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: high school kids
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:08:41 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

>Hmmm...if "do their part" means four to eight hours of conditioning a



I just love Hmmm............... as a lead in.  I gotten to use it twice
this week.


Give me six hours a week and I can produce a competent technician.  But
ultimately, the student gets out of it what they put into it.  Since one
of the things we teach is to evade until and attacker loses interest
or exhausts him/herself, then go in for the "kill" or escape; the more 
conditioning work the student gets, the better.

Some younger people might not know the story, but Joe Lewis
(I assume everybody knows who he is) only had about nine months
training on Okinawa before he came back and won everything in the
US.



Xref: sparky rec.martial-arts:16409 misc.fitness:9253
From: gints@prophet.esd.sgi.com (Gints Klimanis)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Need recommendation for book on stretching!
Date: 4 Jan 1993 21:44:06 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: prophet.esd.sgi.com

Try "Stretching Scientifically" by Tom Kurz.  You can find the ad in Black Belt
magazine.  I've used his methods since September with astonising
results.  Book is ~$15.  An additional video compensates for the lack of
motion detail in sparse action photo sequences.

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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Sparing...
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:44:43 EST


...all of you from philosophy vs. MA discussion is only right.  I will move
the east vs. west argument offline unless there is someone actually interested
in our continuing public debate of our opinions on rec.martial-arts.

(and you thought I misspelled my subject header)

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From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Shoes in the dojo (gasp!)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:27:57 GMT

Well, I still think that barefeet in the dojo is a good idea.  Here's
why:

1. Mental training:  the main concern of the martial arts, as far as
   I'm concerned, is mental.  Taking your shoes off at the dojo door:
   a.	emphasizes respect
   b.	emphasizes a transition from everyday life into a meditative
	pursuit.
   c. 	represents, in a very small way, a devotion to discipline that
	will be reinforced by the adherents willingness to endure
	(small amounts of) pain (ie. blisters).

2.  Physical training:  Not only do you reduce stress on your knees
    (from kicking with weights on your legs), but you will make the 
    heavy bag longer, and you will learn how to walk on the gravel
    to get the mail when you're too lazy to put your shoes on.

I had a student who had trouble with blisters this year.  I'll tell
you what I told him.  

You will get blisters on your feet whenever you enter the dojo after
not training for a while.  You will also get them if you wear shoes
too much, since the heat (and sometimes moisture) in the shoe will
soften the callous you've built up.  To get your soles in shape as
quick as possible, cut off the blisters the night after your first
practice.  Leave your feet out in the air overnight (hardening the
new skin) and then keep your shoes off as much as possible the next
day.  By the time you got to practice on the third day, your callouses
will just about ready, but take it easy and stop practicing after
about an hour.  Keep drying your feet the way I described, and by
next week your feet will be fine for full practice.  If you DON'T
do this, your blister will peel off on the second day and your
callous won't be hard by the next time you practice.  This will be
VERY painful.

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: pinyin
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:40:10 EST

08-Jan-93 02:13	mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)	Re: Well, well, well...

>But Pinyin is not designed for English-speakers; it is designed for
>Mandarin speakers.

Thank you.  I didn't know this.  

I am most familiar with Persian, and the linguistic methods for
transliterating Persian words into our alphabet.  The linguists create a
table, mapping sounds like "kh" (as in the south German pronounciation of
"Bach") to a letter like "x".  I can't remember if "x" is the letter they use,
but it is something equally unintuitive.

In other words they create a level of indirection rather than picking a more
practical alternative which is imperfect (kh).

But then again, considering your statement, how can it be true?  There is
no "q" or "x" in mandarin, so how can native speakers have a sound associated
with english letters?

>The letters are chosen to correspond to sounds used in Mandarin, not sounds
>used in English. Sure, 'q' as used in Mandarin doesn't have the same sound as
>'q' used in English, but 'j' as used in German doesn't have the same sound as
>'j' in English, and neither does 'w'. The sounds represented in Pinyin by 'q'
>and 'ch' are different sounds, and neither one is the sound 'ch' has in
>English.  

It seems you may be talking about the same phenomenon as I am with respect
Persian.  And if this is so, then I must reiterate that while there is no
perfect mapping of our letters to Chinese phonemes, the letters used are
completely out of line.

My point is that one *never* learns a language exclusively by reading it.  So
what's the point of creating a level of indirection that has absolutely no
intuitive mapping to normal english phonemes.
From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:53:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Attitide to female during sparring.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts


>In terms of sparring with women, I always spar at their level as I do with any
>oponent. The only difference is that I try not to hit them in the breasts,
>because I wouldn't want them to hit me in my gentalia.
>                        Chad J Glover

Good point.

I was concerned when doing Karate that the men were trying too hard not to hurt
me and it was obvious that this went as far as not wanting to partner me, which
was a pain.

The answer to this was to buy a chest protector.  When they knew I had this the
problem was lessened considerably.  One guy asked once if I had my "thing" on
and then proceded to throw an unexpected punch to my gut - unfortunately this
bit wasn't protected :-)

Another amusing incident took place when someone (who didn't know I had it on)
didn't quite pull his punch properly, hit the protector and got rather a
surprise. 

A comment from the instructor was interesting.  He set us up to do some kind of
regimented sparring with the chest as a target and cautioned everyone that if
they were partnering a woman to go easy "unless they're wearing body armour of
course, then go for it!"  (meaning don't worry rather than attack anything
particular). 

It is much harder to hit men's vulnerable bits but I'm happier to know that
they wear a box.

As an aside, I saw a guy at a competition once wear a box on the outside of his
gi, which looked rather odd.  When asked why he said that it was for extra
protection as he was weating one underneath too :-!

Cheers

Brenda
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Wary about pre-class workouts (*puff puff*)
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:06:03 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu's message of 11 Jan 93 02:49:33 GMT


In article <C0o56L.EFD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:

   Well, I start hapkido tomorrow.  I'm worried, because in most classes
   I've seen, they have workouts before class.. crunches, jumping jacks,
   pushups, etc.. and I'm not in good shape at all.  I'm young (18), so
   isn't it a low chance I'll damage my heart?  I'm not fat at all, just
   out of shape. :)  My exercise is walking around, that's about it.

I suppose the form of this varies from school to school.  In our school 
it's not called a "workout", it's called a "warmup" ;-)  It's necessary 
to make sure that everyone is warmed up enough to be able to move without 
ripping all the soft bits loose.  Once the classes themselves begin, 
we start with techniques that don't require lots of flexibility and 
gradually move on to the stuff that requires more.  

If your school is run like ours, the warmup won't be all that intense,
although it may well leave you puffing a bit until you're used to it, 
and the stuff that you work on immediately following that won't be 
too intense either.  I wouldn't worry about it...it's not the Marines. 
Of course you'll feel exertion...that's the whole idea.  But it won't 
be anything you can't handle.  
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From: bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com (Brad Webb)
Subject: re : Book Review
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:42:39 GMT

T. Moody Writes:

=I have seen advertisements for a book entitled, I think, _Okinawan
=Karate_, by a man named Bishop (Michael, maybe).  Sorry about the
=vagueness, but I am wondering if anyone is familiar with this book and,
=if so, would they recommend it as an accurate, thorough, source of
=information?
=

I have purchased the book and find it an interesting source of info.
It seems that M. Bishop retained a respectful attitude to all the 
various instructors he visited, including the one instance where
M. Bishop was treated VERY impolitely.  He didn't write his feelings
about the situation, he recorded it as if he were on Dragnet, very factual.

That's what I read out of it.   As for it's accuracy, I can't say...
he apparently spent 15-20 years on Okinawa working, training, asking
polite questions and writing down his answers.   To verify accuracy 
I'd have to have more and better sources to do comparisons.

The thing I probably liked best was that he didn't seem to try to 
show his opinions & judgements of what he wrote about.   However, as the
writer he controls what he writes.

B. Webb, Dallas, Tx.
From: sxr@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (scott.l.russell)
Subject: Is there an FAQ ?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:56:19 GMT

Hi,

I normally do not subscribe to this group and know next to nothing
about martial arts. However my eight year old son is interested in getting
started - (Post Ninja Turtle response).

With all the different styles and schools, its hard to determine which
would be best. He is small for his age and probably always will be so
I want something that would be "useful" as well as fun.

There are two schools very close to my house. One is Goju karate and
the other is "American (Kenpo) Karate". Any information you could give
would be appreciated.

==============================================================
Scott Russell - AT&T/IMS Technical Training   Orlando, FL
	Standard Disclamier Applies
"Man does not live by bread alone... there's always chocolate!"
===============================================================
From: hannula@viikki.Helsinki.FI (Jaakko Hannula (OPTOIM))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Judo
Summary: How about Kodokan Judo's future?
Keywords: Judo, Kodokan
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:26:27 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Fac.Agric.For.

Mixed feelings about kodokan's future

Visited recently Tokyo and payed my compulsory visit to Kodokan.
What a change! Eight years ago that place was full of spirit and
people. There was only a group of old masters in the Dai Dojo, the Joshibu
had hardly no activity at all and everybody was complainin that they are 
loosing the touch. The intenational division and the staff payed no
interest as I popped in to say hello.

As a many years board member of our Yudanshakai I felt very sad
noticing that even Kodokan has been trapped by the illness. Did 
the Olympics really manage to do all this? Who cares for a waza anymore?
It seems that in Europe there are developing small groups who do it
in the traditional way: we fight and do kata. And do not care for medals.

Are there any similar experiences?

Jaska Hannula, Helsinki University
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