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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Where are they now?
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:14:25 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Aug18.002014.14844@husc3.harvard.edu>, vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes...

>Hell... since I am getting tired of reading about the same things over
>and voer again (no offense to those of you enjoying yourselves with the
>current conversations), I decided to try to start a NEW strand of 
>posts inspired by some questions I have... Basically, my question(s)
>come down to this: WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
> 
>I was wondering wher some of the greats were? I mean, I realize several
>are in the Hall of Fame (many are, actually, but I mean several of the
>ones I will list), but what happened to all of them?

Most of them have beer distributorships.  (Although a few do own 
restaraunts.)  :-)

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
From: alexc@pollux.usc.edu (Alex Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Al Del Greco/Houston Kicking Situation
Date: 13 Aug 1992 13:10:47 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
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Will Al Del Greco be the kicker in Houston this year?

Also, any word on Morton Anderson's injuries out of New Orleans?


Alex Campbell, USC Film School
alexc@pollux.usc.edu
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From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Subject: Re: The Trade Rumors
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:54:11 GMT

>Re: The Trade Rumors
>
>How about Andre Ware of Detroit for Desmond Howard of Washington?

Take a hike.  You might as well, since Andre Ware never will for Washington
under these conditions.

					me
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From: calvin@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (scott.a.kaye)
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR CHRISTAIN PLAYERS
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:37:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.174148.15996@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> thaddeus@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Thaddeus R. Crews) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.203930.26635@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> netnews@porthos.cc.bellcore.com (USENET System Software) writes:
>>|>>Some Christian players are/were:  Jeff Hostetler
>>|>>                                  Mike Singletary
>>|>>                                  Roger Staubach
>>|>Former Seahawk Steve Largent; he's also very active in Young Life in Tulsa.
>>|>also, Joe Gibbs. (OK, he's a coach, I admit it.)
>>|>-- 
>>|There are several Redskins who would be considered "Christian"
>>|players.  Art Monk comes to mind immediately.  And Darrell Green.  
>>From: wgb3@pyuxf.uucp (25337-buoni)
>>Path: pyuxf!wgb3
>>
>>Don't leave out the Minister Of Defense Reggie White!!!!
>
>Barry Sanders is a Christian as well.  When he first signed with the Lions,
>he received a $2 million signing bonus.  He promptly tithed 10% to his
>hometown church (thats $200,000 for you Art majors ... ;-) )
>
>Additionally, Barry has gone on record as saying he will remain a virgin
>until he gets married.  Even if you are not a Christian, it is easy to respect
>Barry's the dedication to his faith.
>
Gary Anderson, Place Kicker for the Steelers is also a Christian.  He has 
spoken to many churches youth groups in the Pittsburgh Area.

-- 
    Scott Kaye				  "Were going to need another Timmy."	
    AT&T			    		-Mr. Lizard               
    100 Southgate Pkwy			   I can't speak for myself, so how 
    Morristown, NJ  07960		   could I speak for AT&T?
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From: dick1@hera.uucp (25443-vaughn)
Subject: Giants Scrap Offensive Line Re-org Plan
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:30:04 GMT
Keywords: Eagle-phobic Handley


Giants' head coach Ray Handley has scrapped his plan to
re-organize 60% of his offensive line.

Back in May he announced a plan whereby William Roberts,
Eric Moore and Doug Riesenberg would shift positions.
The reason: they had been manhandled by Philadelphia.
Handley's quote at the time: "Everything we're doing is with the 
Philadelphia Eagles in mind.'
[As an Eagles' fan I just ate this up.]


Well, as of Monday 8/17 said plan has been scrapped with only three
weeks remaining before the opener against the 49ers.
Here's why:
Moore is unsigned and has yet to report to camp.
Roberts was rushed to the hospital with an irregular heartbeat
and has yet to take part in heavy practice.
Plus one of the two non-reorgee's, Jumbo Elliot, has a bulging 
disk in his back that has caused him to miss two weeks of camp thus far.

All of which means that Doug Riesenberg will be back at right tackle
trying to stop Reggie White when Gang Green comes a-calling Nov. 22.
I can hardly wait.


GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GIANTS!!!!
[Heh, heh, heh...]


Dick V.
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Predictions
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 14 AUG 92 14:13:12    

In article <1992Aug14.163528.19084@uwm.edu>, melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill) writes...

[Deletions.]
>     like 8-8 or 9-7. As for Minn, everyone is saying they are going to
>     have the worst year yet. Why? Last year they went 8-8, could have
>     gone 9-7 if they beat the pack on the last game of the season,

Yeah, if they had scored only 21 more points they coulda won that game 
against the Pack and finished 9-7.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu

"I've got the best diet coach in the country."
                   - Jerry Kramer talking about Vince Lombardi
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From: blokhead@leland.Stanford.EDU (Darren Pakying Lum)
Subject: Re: The Trade Rumors
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 05:38:54 GMT

In article <qRb-t6+@engin.umich.edu> Fil Sapienza <Fil.Sapienza@med.umich.edu> writes:
>Re: The Trade Rumors
>
>How about Andre Ware of Detroit for Desmond Howard of Washington?
>Would the Redskins go for it?  Granted, Ware still has a lot to prove,
>but his main problems are largely confidence related, not athletic
>ability.   
>

I don't think the 'skins need another QB to go along with 
Rypien, Humphries, and Conklin...  

What is up with Ware anyway?  If he isn't ahead of Kramer
now and is still 3rd string, then wouldn't he be considered a 
bust?


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From: brian@el_hermano.mitre.org (Brian Toothman)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins - Stan Humphries - 8/13/92
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:31:48 GMT

In article <23574@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
|> The San Diego Chargers and Washington Redskins discussed a trade for
|> Stan Humphries on Wednesday, but reached no agreement.  They may get
|> [stuff deleted]
|> Source: The Washington Post, August 13, 1992
|> 

Evidently they have now reached an agreement, but no official announcement
has been made.  I heard this from two radio stations.  Right now it looks like
they will get a 4th round draft pick for him.
-- 

Brian M. Toothman -- brian@elara.mitre.org

1990 World Champions -- The Cincinnati Reds
Do it again in '92
From: ded@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (nod sivad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: holdouts
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:41:40 GMT
Reply-To: ded@aplcen (nod sivad)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

>Draft choices are a different story.  If Desmond Howard were to sit out,  
>he would
>go back into the draft next year.  Sitting out again would make him a free 
>agent.  No team wants to lose the 6th player in the draft.

But the Redskins could trade him any time up until draft day, couldn't they?
Haven't there been cases where teams couldn't sign a draft pick for an
entire year, then traded the player so the pick wouldn't go totally to waste?

						me
From: zezula@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Chad E Zezula)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:08:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <Aug19.162521.27235@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko) writes:
>
>I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
>Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:
>
>     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
>     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
>     Marcus Allen        Raiders
>     Ron Brown           Raiders
      ^^^ - Tim ?
>     Ty Detmer           ????????
>
>
>any others you can think of ??????

      Barry Sanders       Detroit
      Andre Ware          Detroit
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From: west@esd.dl.nec.com (Mike West)
Subject: 2pt conversion (was Re: Stupid rules)
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:05:17 GMT

From article <TZGYe-X91@lopez.marquette.MI.US>, by stick@lopez.marquette.MI.US (Stick,CommoSigop):
> In <866mrxf@lynx.unm.edu> jawebb@hydra.unm.edu (James Webb) writes:
>>	2) No 2-pt conversions. Adds variety and excitement
> 	   
> 	   Like the AL's DH.  Strategy is removed from the game, and what
> are the coaches paid for in the first place?

Remove strategy?  How?  How can you remove strategy by *add* options?

Personally I think the best option is to eliminate overtime from the
regular season, and institute the 2 pt conversion.  If you are going
to allow ties anyway, don't even bother with overtime at all.  And the
2 ptr conversion will allow the team that scores last the option of
settling for the tie, or going for the win.  *That* should add some
interesting strategy.

Needless to say, overtime is still necessary for the playoffs, since
we need a winner.

Mike West
west@esd.dl.nec.com
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From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Subject: Re: Giants 13  Bengals 7
    <20345@optima.cs.arizona.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:42:52 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <20345@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.205321.1890@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> asj4j@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (JONAX) writes:
>>	Perry Williams intercepted a pass by Boomer Esiason on Cincinnati's
>>   way to start out....feel sorry for the new head coach of the
>>Bengals...
>>
>>                                                 JonaX
>
>If you are going to claim that preseason games mean anything, then I would
>feel very sorry for the Giants.  They managed to score 0 touchdowns
>against the Bengals worst in the league defense.  They got 2 FG's after
>starting drives well in Bengal territory.  It was a pitiful performance
>by the Giants.
>
>
>
>--dave
>

I wouldn't say that.  I thought the Bengals defense has improved
*tremendously*.  I have always thought that Francis and Fulcher in 
combination would be waaay to much for any QB to handle.  Of course,
I'm a die hard Bengals fan.  (Even with Sam Wyche and - I'll kill
Paul Brown Jr. for this - the departure of James Brooks waht a dumb
move)

Alex

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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Niners at Falcons tickets wanted
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:26:53 GMT

TicketMaster in Atlanta has just informed me that the Nov 9 Monday
night game between the Niners and Falcons is sold out/scattered singles
remaining (they were not real positive).

I completely forgot to get tickets when they went on sale at the end of July.

So anyone willing to sell a couple (2) tickets together, please reply as
I am in desperate need of them.

-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
|rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu|Mashed potatoes can be your |rsmith@matsci1.uncwil.edu|
|smith@oscar.udel.edu |friends - Wierd Al Yankovic |       Ross Smith        |
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From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:23:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug12.182351.12903
Distribution: usa
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <1992Aug12.171955.5358@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug12.141826.11171@colorado.edu>, davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
|> > Nothing is more frustrating than getting screwed by a bad call that would
|> > obviously be overturned by the replay.  I'd rather have the little delay a
|> > few times a game than lose on a bad call.
|> 
|> The concept of instant replay is a good one - the referees are human and
|> make mistakes so let's review their decisions and correct the wrong ones.
|> But the implementation was terrible - allow other humans with no
|> refereeing experience to review the decisions.
|> 
|> And it was more than a little delay a few times per game.  It was a long
|> delay on numerous occasions.  And the replay official is not guaranteed
|> to make the right call.  One replay official will rule inconclusive while
|> another would have overturned the same call.
|> 
|> Perhaps the NFL will come up with a better way to implement it, but as it
|> was it sucked.
|> 
|> Joe Dakes
|> AT&T Microelectronics
|> 555 Union Boulevard
|> Allentown, PA  18103
|> alux2!jmd

Hell... let's let the guys doing the commentating on TV do the instant replay. 
I don't think I've seen one instant replay that they haven't been "SURE" that
their call was correct. :)

-- Venk --
From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:14:17 GMT
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering

In article <1992Aug13.122327.9382@cci632.cci.com>
den@cci632.cci.com (Dennis J. Buttery) writes:
 
>
>IMHO, The best way to handle the IR rule would be to give each time a limited
>number of replay requests (3 per half, perhaps?) and when they're gone they're gone!!  This is obviously similar to the timeout rule and would work
>the same way.  At least this way, the coaches will have to decide if they really want to
>bother having a call replayed or not.
>
>                                            -DJB-
 
I'm sorry, but this has problems, too.  Any coach who was behind would
just use these IR requests as extra timeouts at the end of the game.
The last two minutes of close games are already interminable.  Why add
more interruptions to the mix.
 
The idea of losing a timeout if the call were not reversed makes more
sense to me.
 
Jim McMaster
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Redskins
Date: 22 Aug 1992 19:53:38 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <1992Aug17.024117.17673@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:

|Steve Young started for 49ers and looked pretty sharp at times, but
|the bottom line is that the 49ers did not score with Young at the
|helm.

And the same with the Chargers, I heard, on the 21st, Friday. I feel like I am
in one of those dreams where you run and run but never go anywhere. When
with Seifert wake up and put Bono in as a starter?
-- 
   |^^^^^^|      _______________________________________________________
   |      |      |"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that    | 
   |      |      | distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            |
   | (o)(o)      O         Kenneth Boulding                            | 
   @      _)    o|_____________________________________________________|  
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   /     \                              All comments  are mine---(David Wright) 
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From: daryl@dman.b24a.ingr.com (Daryl Owens)
Subject: Re: Stadium Information
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:53:40 GMT

A friend of mine used to conduct tours of the Superdome when he was
not operating his camera for the Saints games or the Super Bowl.  He 
explained to me the reason the Silverdome seats more people but is
smaller than the Superdome.
 
As you get high into the cheap seats of the Silverdome, the seat
construction goes from individual cushioned chairs to aluminium benchs.
With benches, the Silverdome can SQUEEZE more people into a given
area than with cushioned chairs.  

The Superdome does not have bench seating (except for the team benches), 
thus the Superdome cannot seat as many people as the Silverdome.  The 
Superdome is larger in size as an overall structure than the Silverdome.

BTW, I am not from Louisiana.  I am not a Saints fan.  I am merely 
telling you what a friend of mine (who worked at the Superdome) told me.
So keep your egos and FLAMES to yourself because you would be wasting
your time.  Any legit responses are welcome.

---

Daryl 'Dman' Owens

"Where do you tell a person in Hell to go?  - Unknown
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From: 6405750@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:54:04 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: bokenko@CS.ColoState.EDU (jeffrey scot bokenko)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Ty Detmer and other Heisman winners
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:25:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department




ron brown is whit the raiders but hes not a heisman winner
its tim brown of the raiders
drew


I would like a list of Heisman trophy winners and the teams they play on.
Only active players would be nice.  All I can think of is the following:

     Desmond Howard      Washington  (??????)
     Hershel Walker      Philadelphia
     Marcus Allen        Raiders
     Ron Brown           Raiders
     Ty Detmer           ????????


any others you can think of ??????
--
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bokenko@beethoven.cs.colostate.edu           man's well, often catches crab."
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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: HHH Metrodome - really only no tax stadium?
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:40:25 GMT
Keywords: stadium taxes vikings metrodome

from Sid Hartman in the Minneapolis StartTribune Friday 8/14/92:

   Maybe Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission can work
   out more favorable leases for the Twins, the Vikings and
   the Gophers (yes, the University of Minnesota Gophers)
   now that is has saved $800,000 a year by refinancing its
   $42.8 million mortgage.  The commission will save $6
   million over the 17-year life of the mortgage by paying
   5.91 percnet interest instead of 7.48.  The commission
   has a reserve of $29 million and will have more when it 
   sells the land on which Met Center (home of the NHL
   North Stars, next to the new Megamall or Mall of America
   which sits on top of the grave of Met Stadium - former
   home of the Twins and Vikings) is located.  It is the 
   only stadium (he hasn't said so yet, but he's referring
   to the HHH Metrodome) in the country that is not supported
   by a public taxes [sic].

  Is it really the only stadium not supported by taxes?
  Any comments?

John Ganske -------------------------
a readheaded dad, vegetarian, cyclist, runner, volleyball player,
programmer, and all-around good guy, glad to be back in Minnesota
and soon to become small-time (very small-time) farmer 
     -----------------------------------------------------  
Unisys Corp.                            jag@unislc.slc.unisys.com 
Roseville, Minnesota                    612 635-7545  
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From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Football Positions
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:37:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <4dN5031t64yH00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)     writes...
> 
>Comment:   The one-back and the run and shoot are basically variations on the 
>	   "I." The one-back takes the fullback out and replaces him with an
>	    extra tight end and the run and shoot replaces him with an extra
>	    wide receiver.  Actually, the run-and-shoot replaces the tight end
>	    with a wide receiver as well! 

Actually, the pro one-back offences I remember (Cincinnati and Washington of the
early 80's replaced the halfback with a tight end instead of the fullback. After
all, Pete Johnson and John Riggins could hardly be considered halfbacks.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: 49ers in trouble
Date: 22 Aug 1992 04:11:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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The idiot commentators on TNT and the Channel 2 post-game dorks kept
babbling about the position that the 49ers have the least problems at 
i.e. quarterback, totally ignoring the near disastrous showing by
the first-string defense in the first half of tonight's game against
the Chargers. 

  This is not to take anything away from the Chargers, who underscored the
fact that they have the best depth and quality at running back in the
NFL (sorry KC and Buffalo). (It is amazing that Marion Butts was used
to block for Sammie Smith at Florida State; geez aren't they going
to trade one of them away or something, 5 backs of that caliber, geez).
But the 49ers were going up against an OL not known for pass blocking
and two mediocre backup QB's and yet allowed them to complete passes
at will. Granted they were missing Haley, but there is no guarantee
that he'll be back 100%, Tim Harris was barely adequate but overall the
pass rush was mediocre at its best. 

  But what is most worrisome is the play of the secondary, I didn't
see Don Griffin (didn't catch any explanation from two of the
crappiest announcers in football, Haden and the other fart, who could
only talk about Montana all the time) but Pollard, Davis, Hanks and
Lewis were often giving the receivers too wide a berth to catch the ball.
But what was worst was the safeties, Whitmore was often beaten by
the running backs and TE's over the middle and Dana Hall has a long
way to go to be a starting caliber safety leave alone a Ronnie Lott.
The linebackers also left a lot to be desired missing tackles and
getting beat by tight ends (Donahue comes to mind on several plays).
Leroy Smith was the most impressive in that group but he played
mostly in the 2nd half (hope they can find a spot for him). Johnnie
Jackson had a couple of nice interceptions mainly for being at
the right place at the right time. Gash played okay in the second
half (didn't see him in the first). My prediction is that Dana Hall
is going to lose his starting job a couple of games into the season
when he'll go back to learning more about the pro game
and Gash and Whitmore will start with Hall and Jackson spotting them.

  The player of the game was, of course, Mark Seay, the WR who has a
bullet lodged inside him and only one kidney - he made some
sensational catches and got clobbered on a few game attempts; 
maybe I'm just being sentimental I really hope some team picks him up
- there's no way he's going to make the team, not unless Lewis
screws up or someone is injured.

Ashu Rege
P.S. Then of course there was the 2nd string OL which played spottily and
the running game which disappeared from the face of the earth but
that is another story. God, the regular season is only 2 weeks away
and this team is nowhere near ready if today's game was any indication.