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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: That regenerating feeling
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 05:48:58 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Anyone here ever felt like regenerating?? I nknew I did recently, but since I
was nowhere near death, I decided what was the point.  Keep to the same form as
I have now.

Anyone?

Dave 'The First Doctor' Yadallee - 'I could be a number of things, but as it
happens, I am the doctor, the original'- T5D

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: More on the Doctor's age
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:56:48 GMT

In article <98355@bu.edu>, mjmh@bashful.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes) writes:
|> Just as an interesting side note to the discussion about how old
|> the Doctor really is...
|> 
|> I watched "The Mind of Evil" over this past weekend, and there
|> is a scene in which a scientist is upset with the Doctor (Pertwee)
|> for making disparaging remarks about his "Prisoner reforming" device.
|> In response to this scientist questioning whether the Doctor is a 
|> scientist, he replies haughtily
|> 
|>  "I have been a scientist for thousands..." and then stops.

**SIGH**

Yes, the old Pertwee problem. More than once during the Pertwee era, the Doctor
commented that he is not hundreds of years old, but on the order of "many 
centuries" - another direct quote. But, as anyone who saw the finally 
recovered Tomb of the Cybermen (In my opinion, vintage Doctor Who - absolutely
spectacular) can tell you, the Second Doctor in this story admitted to being
"over" 400 years old.

This is a little tricky, as well, since the Fourth Doctor claimed to be only
about 450 years old. Buuut, since Pertwee spent almost all of his time on
Earth, we **CAN** assume that --his-- era took place in something approaching
"real time", which would mean that the Fourth Doctor could easily be only about
50 years older than the Second. As to what they said about "thousands of years"
during Pertwee's run, most fans just ignore it.

|> I think this is interesting, because, in my mind, the only logical
|> way to end that sentence is "of years" which totally screws up the
|> 400-900 year old theory.  Perhaps this is more peripheral evidence
|> of the Doctor being a lot more, and around a lot longer, then he
|> wants to admit.
|> 
|> Just a thought...
|> 
|> mike holmes
|> mjmh@crsa.bu.edu
|> :) Happiness Will Prevail!!

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From: hartnett@ocpt.ccur.com (Robert Sean Hartnett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: R.u S.H. test please ignore
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:28:07 GMT

This is a test PLEASE IGNORE.

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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Other story ripoffs
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:55:25 GMT
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu


How about 
"City of Death" and the theft of the Mona Lisa?

seeing, hearing
john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Videos USA and UK
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:39:14 GMT

In article <9210121251.AA29439@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> EEC@PORTIA.UMDS.LON.AC.UK (Steve P eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk) writes:
>
>You wait till you get "Claws Of Axos" on home-video.  Eps 2 & 3 will have
>gone thru the same hideous process, unless you complain now!
>


I don't think we'll be getting "Claws" anytime in the near future,
for the reason you describe, and probably also because the story sucks.



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From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Subject: Re: Gallifreyans and Time Lords solution
Organization: Lakes Public Access
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:09:00 GMT

00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:

> There is, of course, something that you've all overlooked.  At least, I think
> you have.  I haven't really been following this whole thread as closely as
> I should've.
> 
> Everyone is so uptight about how a Gallifreyan becomes a Time Lord, etc.  Wel
> tell me something: when a human being becomes president, does he have to
> undergo some kind of metamorphosis?  Does his biology become altered somehow?
> Well, it's a crude analogy, and really not very apt, but I think you can 
> see my point.
> 
> A Gallifreyan becomes a Time Lord by passing through one of the Academys.
> The foremost of these, it might be argued, is the Prydonian.  Becoming
> a Lord (or Lady) doesn't mean your bio is altered-just your citizen's status.
> Just like I couldn't run around saying I'm a PHd, neither can a Gallifreyan
> claim to be a TL if he didn't pass the Academy.
> 
> Therefore, we assume that all Gallifreyans are born with the double-heart, th
> respeiratory bypass, etc.  Even, perhaps, the ability to regenerate, although
> I strongly suspect this may be something the Council of Time Lords has
> to bestow upon an individual.  But it is not until they have passed the
> rigorous testing and education that the Academys put forth that they can
> claim the title "Lord of Time".
> 
> Well?  Rebuttles welcomed!
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> Bruce Anderson: A tradition of Chaos and Disorder since 1967
> spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (unix)	00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp (VAX)
> Don't look at me in that tone of voice!  BSU disclaims me, and I disclaim the

I am in full agreement.  I have never felt that they undergo some 
incredible biological change upon becoming timelords, and have always 
considered it a title.  Why do aliens refer to Time Lords as a race?  I 
would imagine it has to do with the insular nature of the Gallifreyans 
themselves.  Perhaps the aliens have never encountered a Gallifreyan who 
was NOT a time lord.  It seems that once one becomes a Time Lord, there 
is nothing for him to do but take up a governmental position or to roam 
the universe wandering, gathering more knowledge as it were.  To suggest 
that Gallifreyans are not born with the ability to regenerate is 
ludicrous.  Do you truly imagine that you could hold the power of life 
and death over the large portion of your society, and that they would not 
rise up and take it from you by force?  Were it the case, Gallifrey would 
have been torn apartlong ago by civil war, with the 'normal' Gallifreyans 
on one side and the 'greedy' time lord on the other.
From: JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Visions '92 Con and Registration Info
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:51:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92289.175101JAP8
 <1992Oct13.223707.625@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
 <1992Oct14.194703.1@fnala.fnal.gov> <Bw64nA.4Fu@access.digex.com>
Organization: Penn State University


In article <Bw64nA.4Fu@access.digex.com>, chevron@access.digex.com (chevron)
says:

>Confirmed Guests:
>     Colin Baker, Bill Baggs, Jeremey Bentham, Nicola Bryant, Jan Chappell,
>     Craig Charles, Frank Conniff, Nickolas Grace, Robert Llewellyn,
>     John Peel.

What happened to all the invited guests...i.e. the non-confirmed ones?
In particular, Gareth Thomas and Chris Jury were on the invited list,
but Chevron, bless his account, didn't mention them.  Any info?
Jean
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: An inconsitency that started the Key to Time
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:10:25 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

RIGHT!!

IN the 'Ribos Operation', the Doctor makes mention that he should have 'thrown
the President to the Sontarans'.  BUT wasn't it the case that The Doctor forgot
his episode in 'The Invasion of Time'?

Apologies if I am bringing up an old topic.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
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From: retief@iastate.edu (Jim Miller)
Subject: Re: TARDISes
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:36:14 GMT

I could have swore he said Type 40 Mark1 and Type 40 Mark2, or has it
just my memory remember things the way I want it too? 8-)

-- 
Jim Miller <retief@iastate.edu>  IowaStateUniversity.  ComS Jr.
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Subject: Re: INSULTS OF THE DOCTORS..
From: system@CODEWKS.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 15:06:40 NZDST
Organization: The Code Works Limited, PO Box 10-155, Auckland, New Zealand

danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:

> In article <2770.130.uupcb@ssr.com>, doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Doug Vermes
> |> 
> |> It seems that, over the course of lots of Doctors, almost each Doctor
> |> (to my knowledge) has insulted his companion...:
> |> 
> |>    (At this time, I can't think of a 3rd Doctor insult)
> 
> Most memorable scenes were with the Brigadier. My memory (on episode name or
> other distinguishing features...) fails me at the moment, but one involved th
> notion that "there's nothing more firmly clapped shut than the military mind"
> something like that. Anyone remember the exact reference?
> 
> |>    4th Doctor in "Revenge of the Cybermen" to Harry Sullivan:
> |>        "Harry Sullivan is an imbecil!"
> 
> ONLY revenge of the Cybermen???  8)
> 
> |> doug.vermes%acc1bbs@ssr.com
> 
> -- 
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> =======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     
> --------My opinions rarely reflect those of any sane person,----------
> 	   living, dead, or undead... that's gonna CHANGE.

Jon Pertwee once commened "Military Intelligence - a contradiction in 
terms" or words to that effect. I think it was during the Silurians.

Cheers,

Wayne McDougall
From: bradshaw@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jonathan Bradshaw)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: DrWho theme MOD wanted...
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:13:40 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Purdue University

In <8OCT199200054017@misvax.mis.arizona.edu> tswanson@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES.) writes:


>Does anyone have a DrWho theme MOD out there?  There appears to be a
>theme .snd file at the ccb.ucsf.edu site, but that doesn't help me much, 
>unless I can convert it to a .voc or .wav file.  It's too big for me 
>to download anyway.

>Thanks for any info,
>Ted.

I have it. Its called drwho.mod
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From: chiner@nova (Chris Hiner)
Subject: Re: Gallifreyans and Time Lords solution
Reply-To: chiner@nova.gmi.edu
Organization: GMI/EMI CIM Lab
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:05:12 GMT

00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
: Everyone is so uptight about how a Gallifreyan becomes a Time Lord, etc.  Well,
: tell me something: when a human being becomes president, does he have to
: undergo some kind of metamorphosis?  Does his biology become altered somehow?
: Well, it's a crude analogy, and really not very apt, but I think you can 
: see my point.
You aren't allowed to inhale to become president...
:-)

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From: msc9309@geovax.ed.ac.uk (Dave Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Douglas Adams and Dr Who
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:35:49 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.

Douglas Adams was in Edinburgh last night promoting his new book with a 
reading and then questions from the audience.

Two of these concerned Dr Who, so I thought I would share the information
with you.

It was a mistake by his agent that meant the Shada video was released. 
Douglas said he never wanted it to go out but somehow a contract found its
way to him and he signed it without reading it.

When he discovered what had happened he arranged his royalties to go to
Comic Relief.

The novelizations of Pirate Planet and City of Death will probably never be
done. He has been asked to do them but the company that deals with it (not
the BBC, apparently) will only pay six hundred pounds and not allow him to
go over 40,000 words. This particularly affects the Pirate Planet as 
according to Douglas a great deal was cut out of the scripts which he would 
want to put back.

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From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: An inconsitency that started the Key to Time
Keywords: Borusa's questions...
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:31:56 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

In <1992Oct15.005526.7172@micom.com> sarah@micom.com (Sarah Menolly) writes:

>In article <original references lost in the Void>
>>
>>[0]IN the 'Ribos Operation', the Doctor makes mention that he should have
>>[0]'thrown the President to the Sontarans'.  BUT wasn't it the case that
>>[0]The Doctor forgot his episode in 'The Invasion of Time'?

>Someone brought up that Borusa said "It is the Wisdom of Rassilon.".
>
... 
>If the Doctor's native curiousity didn't get the better of him to
>where he'd later question Leela on just *how* he saved Gallifrey,
>(before actually leaving her there, of course...), I'd worry...

I suppose it is also possible that the memory loss is just temporary, and it
comes back to him between seasons.

>And thanks to friends, I'm back on the net!
>:-)
>Sarah

Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

"You know, you're a classic example of the inverse ratio between the
         size of the mouth, and the size of the brain."
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Tharils
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:31:30 GMT

Hi,
	I just saw Warriors' Gate once again (being at the top of my list)
and couldn't help wonder what the TimeLords must think of the Tharils (if
they indeed know about them).  I would imagine they do since when Veerok
saw the Tardis he had a gleam in his eye of hope to break his chain of
enslavement for him and his people.  The Tharils seem to be able to travel
on the Time stream (like the TARDIS) by getting themselves out of phase
(or perhaps this is a consequence of it).  But anyway, I wonder what the
TimeLords think of a race that used to enslave others and basically use the
Universe as a garden (as they said themselves).  Isn't this kind of like a
variant of the Time Scoop from the Death Zone?  Who has more authority?
I know that the time of the reign of the Tharils was a long time ago, but
the TimeLords have been around for awhile also.  It makes me wonder if the 
TimeLords even know anything about E-space (besides theoretics) - after all
the Dr was a TimeLord (graduated from the academy) and he knew very little -
although I'm sure somebody can argue that he wasn't paying much attention at
the time.
	So, does anyone have any theories as to how the TimeLords might
view the Tharils?  Perhaps being natural Time creatures, the TimeLords concede
authority to them?
		Mystic
From: chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: RE: AMIGA TO MAC SOUNDS
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:55:00 GMT
Reply-To: chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Outland BBS-UUCP

-> Can someone please email me where I can find Doctor Who sound files
-> in Amiga .MOD format?  I found some .SND files but I can't play them
-> on my mac.  I *do* have a program to play .MOD files.

If you need to, you could always try using something like ResEdit or
DiskTop to get into the .SND files you have that you'd like to play on
your Mac, and just play with the format, and turn them into FSSD/SFX!
files, which are playable for SoundEdit (a sound editing program),
SoundMaster (a shareware sound player), or MacCD (another sound player),
as that's the format I've had to change them into to get them to play on
my Mac.
        
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From: sarah@micom.com (Sarah Menolly)
Subject: Re: An inconsitency that started the Key to Time
Summary: Maybe not...
Keywords: Borusa's questions...
Organization: Micom Communications Corp., Simi Valley, Ca.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:55:26 GMT

In article <original references lost in the Void>
>
>[0]IN the 'Ribos Operation', the Doctor makes mention that he should have
>[0]'thrown the President to the Sontarans'.  BUT wasn't it the case that
>[0]The Doctor forgot his episode in 'The Invasion of Time'?

Someone brought up that Borusa said "It is the Wisdom of Rassilon.".
This follows only after:
    The Doctor is coming; Leela almost stabs him: "Hello, Leela."
 <snip>
   Borusa: Don't you remember your induction?
   Doctor: Induction??
   Borusa: The Vardans?
   Doctor: (whispers) Vardans?
   Borusa: The Sontarans?
   Doctor: SONTARANS?!?!
   Borusa: Doctor, you saved all Gallifrey!
   Doctor: Did I? <looked at Leela for confirmation>
 
   Borusa removes the Sash and reverently drapes it over his arm,
   staring at the Doctor and says in awe: It is the Wisdom of Rassilon.
 
If the Doctor's native curiousity didn't get the better of him to
where he'd later question Leela on just *how* he saved Gallifrey,
(before actually leaving her there, of course...), I'd worry...

And thanks to friends, I'm back on the net!
:-)
Sarah
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: An inconsitency that started the Key to Time
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 06:05:52 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

mrmuon@next12csc.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:

- In article <3NRBsB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>
- yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
- > RIGHT!!
- >
- > IN the 'Ribos Operation', the Doctor makes mention that he should have
- 'thrown
- > the President to the Sontarans'.  BUT wasn't it the case that The Doctor
- forgot
- > his episode in 'The Invasion of Time'?
-
- Didn't Borusa become president after the Dr. Perhaps even before the Dr
- left. If so the Dr was refferring to Borusa.

I do believe he was.  However, the point is that the Doctor 'forgot' about the
Invasion of Time sequence in his life, or did he??

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
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Subject: TARDIS topography
From: <D1BQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 12 Oct 1992 00:00:16 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Hi. I'm building a virtual TARDIS in a MOO and I'd like it to resemble
The Doctor's TARDIS to some extent. I already have 2 rooms - the control
room & another room -, the larger-inside-than-outside attribute, 2
"graphics" - the outside of the TARDIS & the console in the control room -,
and de/materialization ability. If anyone knows the original TARDIS'
topography/map as a simple text drawing, or GIF/JPEG in graphics.misc/FTP
site, please let me know. Feel free to send a stick figure text map.
Thank you very much.
Please post to this newsgroup or e-mail to: wbwqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
From: 00bwanderson@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Ellen?  was re: The Doc in England...
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:06:57 GMT

In article <BCR.92Oct7105855@hpl3sn02.cern.ch>, bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.123734.182@indyvax.iupui.edu> istn100@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:
> 
>>  Hmm....so what was this used sf shop?  Was it by any chance Paradise Alley?
>                                                                ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^
> Bingo!  Give this man a cookie.
> 
>                                        Bill
Ellen?  Is there something you're not telling me?  You looked female enough the
time I met you...8^)

Bruce
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Subject: Re: Last of the Bannermen?  Stunk.
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 11:39:52 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:

> 
> Okay, my local public television took a few weeks off from
> Dr. Who, and came back by broadcasting the episode "Last
> of the Bannerman".
> 
> This episode was just terrible, IMHO.
> 
> Does the series get better again? or should I just
> stop watching now?
> -- 

Yes, that was _Delta and the Bannermen_, and I agree it stunk.  But that is the
on of the episodes where the Doctor hadn't gotten rid of Mel yet.  Keep
watching until the Doctor gets rid of Mel and brings in a character called
Ace, (should be the next story, _Dragonfire_).  Then it gets good.
The chemestry between the Doctor and Ace really makes it worthwhile.  They
do have a few good stories together, _Rememberence of the Daleks_, 
_Battlefield_, and _The Curse of Fenric_ are among my favorites.


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"Do you want to argue with a can of deodorant that registers
NINE on the Richter scale?"        --Ace, in "Dragonfire"
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