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From: v054p8yx@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel J Kowalski)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Advice on Polar Bear protection requested (no kidding!!!)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:20:26 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

In article <52863@mimsy.umd.edu>, sybok@m4-035-13.MIT.EDU (The Terminator) writes...
##For heavy, dangerous animals you need heavy bullets that are
##propelled at a high enough speed to penetrate the animal.
##eg 180 deer loads need not apply!  Typical bullets for the
##purpose are 300 gr or more, hard cast/solid bullets, with
##sufficient diameter to create a wound channel that stops
##despite lack of expansion.  That's what works on the big ones.
##
##BDW
# 
#You could always hit the bear with a blast of 5% Capstun and see how well
#it can chase humans it can't see, or engulf it in flames with a shotgun
#shell of DRAGON'S BREATH(tm).

now i'm not a gun expert but i don't see how making a polar bear mad is a good
idea. bears have a very good sense of smell and blinding him will tend to anger
him, ie. he will still find you but he will hit a good deal harder.
as to everyone suggesting hollow points and uzis and all that stuff let's 
apply a playground analogy: you're a 1st grader and a large 3rd grader is after
you. would you a)throw mud at him (hollow points) b)throw lots of pebbles at
him (smg) or c)get the biggest rock you can throw?
if it isn't enough to slow him down it will just get him miffed
you want to hit a polar bear with as much force as you can and hollow points 
just dont cut it unless someone can find a 400grain hollow point at about 
1500fps (this would approximate a big wad of thick mud, which might give one
time to get away)

just my 2 cents              dan
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From: edhresko@hresko.ncsu.edu (ERIC DAVID HRESKO)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: BATF APPROVED Hellfire?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:34:13 GMT
Organization: Techno-Geeks Inc.

--	The Hell-Fire is OK b/c it only fires one shot with each pull of the
trigger.


Eric

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From: alanko@ruuvi.me.tut.fi (Risto Alanko)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re:Finnish rifle rewiew
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:57:51 GMT

#smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) writes:

#Do you reload for the Finnish MN?  I was wondering if the Finns use the
#same diameter bullet for M28/30 as they do for the other models?

The old Russian barrel dimensions are different from all other 
".30" -caliber barrels that use 7.83 mm bullets. Only the m/91-24 version 
of the Civil Guard had the .30-cal. barrel (made in Switzerland) and 
gave reasonable groups with the thin bullet. The m/28-30 had a little 
tighter barrel than original m/91 M-N, but used also the thick bullet with 
best accurracy. 

Nominally the bullets were .311-caliber. In Finland, most shooters use
7.85 mm or 7.87 mm bullets in all Mosin-Nagants, also in m/91-24. Though, 
many of these old warhorses have been rebarreled with "american bore" .30 
barrels (yuck !!). 

These thicker bullet are still available here. The old famous Lapua D 46 
FMJ BT match bullet is available in several diameters, but a bit expensive. 
Some good condition barrels shoot well with ordinary .30 bullets like 
Sierra MatchKing.

The latest trick for match reloading is to use the "assault rifle" bullet.
Originally made for 7.63x39 (Russian AK 47 and Finnish M 60 assault 
rifles), new light 7.92 mm spitzer bullet has given match accurracy with 
faster powders. 

Some shooters even use this bullet with .30 bore barrels. "The tighter the 
better". I don't recommend this practice.


#Do they use the issue sights on the M28/30 or some diopter sigths?

Most Army matches are with issue sights. There are some "military biathlon" 
versions with diopter sights, though.
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From: infmx!gregm@uunet.UU.NET (Greg Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Permanent Teflon Coatings on Gun Parts
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:43:45 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.


I would like to add a thought to this discussion.  What I am thinking
of is that some lubricants may lubricate too well during a break-in period
and not allowing mating surfaces to smooth out.  This is the case with
using teflon additives like Slick-50 in a new engine.  The Slick-50 
instructions tell you not to add the stuff to a new engine before the
break-in period is over ( in thousands of miles, I don't remember
exactly how many ).  It seems that the stuff lubricates too well and
will prevent the rings from forming to the shape of the cylinders
and aquiring a proper seal.

Could it be that something similar applies to guns, especially
semi- or full-autos ?  Perhaps it might not be such a good idea
to use such an efficient lubricant on mating surfaces like slide
to frame, etc., until a 1000 or so rounds have been fired.

Any thoughts ?


        Greg Mitchell              gregm@informix.com
From: haddrell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Shane Haddrell)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: SKS questions...
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:04:18 GMT
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA


 
Howdy, 

I have a few questions on the SKS rifles I see at the local
gunshows/shops.  I have only handled them at gunshows and know little
about them.  Could someone please supply me with more specifics?  As in:
        What's the muzzle velocity? foot-pounds?  
        How's the accuracy? (at 100 yards, if any) 
 
I've heard there are several different versions/varieties.
One is a Viet Nam era that has a screw-in barrel versus the 
"current" press-in.  Is this really better?
 
 
Thanks in advance 
 
shane
From: rhino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Joseph Rene Trudelle)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: First Pistol
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:55:37 GMT

I had considered the Beretta and am still looking into it, however the S&W 41 is
one of the S&W's that I have used which was more problems than it was worth. I
also didn't consider it because the prices for one are absolutly outrageous and
availablity is quite slim.  As far as the U.I.T. models I am looking for a gun
which will double as a plinker, and those are by no means in that catagory.
Thanks for the info.
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: bullet & gasoline truck
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:44:07 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

rrw@philabs.philips.com (Roger White) writes:

#In another scene, a fellow selling soft body armour, shoots himself
#point-blank with a .44 mag - no problem and then shoots another fellow
#point-blank with a rifle (I forget the caliber).  The shootee is standing on
#one foot at the time and the impact doesn't even make him lose his balance.

Its the video by "Second Chance" body armor!
If its the same one I think it is, they use a .308 rifle to shoot the guy
at point blank (while on one foot).
They also dispell other common myths, such as shooting a car that is
running and showing that the motor does NOT die. They also shoot tires and
show that they do not "blow up". All in all a very good video.
From: megatek!hollen@uunet.UU.NET (Dion Hollenbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Recrowning...........
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:17:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: mimsy.53222
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California

#>>>> On 13 Apr 92 17:33:49 GMT, FRAMPTON@skitzo.dseg.ti.com said:

FRAMPTON>     Has anyone ever recrowned a barrel on thier own?
FRAMPTON>     Can it be done without worry?

FRAMPTON>     When at my folks this weekend, I picked up my old
FRAMPTON>     "very first" .22.   Its an Ithaca single shot. I
FRAMPTON>     looked at the end of the barrel and noticed there
FRAMPTON>     wasn't a crown anymore.

Yes, it is I, humble gunsmith's apprentice.  Just did this last week
in fact on my benchrest gun (22PPC).  Shot a .224" 5 shot group at 100
yards while fireforming brass, so I must have done something right.

Some points about re-crowning.  You need a good lathe which is capable
of being adjusted to minimum runout of the barrel when in the chuck.
The exact amount of runout depends on what accuracy you want.  I am
not satisfied until I get the runout under .001", but you see what
type of accuracy I am going for.  Be reasonable.  If your lathe is not
capable of getting under .003" runout, whatever accuracy you may be
satisfied with, you might as well forget doing it yourself.

After centering the barrel in the chuck, you need to get a SHARP!!!!!!
tool.  This is CRITICAL.  If you push the metal instead of cutting it
cleanly, you will leave burrs inside of the bore and these will cause
problems when the bullet exits.  One way to tell if you left burrs is
to spin the barrel slowly and put a Q-tip lightly touching the
rifling.  If any cotton sticks to the barrel, you have burrs.  

Regardless of what shape your crown is, the angle at which the face of
the crown meets the bore should be 14 degrees.  This is the
theoretical best approximation of the angle of the gases exiting
behind the bullet and will disturb the gas flow as little as possible.
Again, this all depends on what accuracy you want.  Cut it straight
across and it will still probably shoot well, but not optimally.

If you get burrs in the bore, you can make a jig which is a ball
bearing soldered into the end of a tube.  This can be chucked into the
tailstock and coated with lapping compound and run up against the
crown to lap out the burrs.  The problem with this is that you will
then change the optimal angle of 14 degrees ever so slightly.

All in all, since you are doing a .22 rifle, if your lathe is fairly
accurate and you lap out the burrs, it should be good enough.

One of the first things a benchrest gunsmith will do when a reliably
accurate rifle "stops shooting" will be to recrown it.  This is one of
the simplest remedies and most often what is the cause of sudden loss
of accuracy.



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From: jca@crash.cts.com (John C. Archambeau)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: General Shotgun questions
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:28:52 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In article <52652@mimsy.umd.edu> jalden@coos.dartmouth.edu (Joshua M. Alden) writes:
#    Just got a Remington 870 (somewhat worn, but very serviceable).
#It's been a long time since I used a shotgun, and then it was only to
#shoot trap.  This one is going to be used for home defense, trap & skeet
#and perhaps hunting, in that order.

In the May '92 (yes, May is out already) Guns & Ammo there's an article 
on 'Sprucing up your Shotgun.'  The article doesn't go into detail, but 
it drives the point home how versatile the shotgun can be.  I'd pick up 
this issue of G&A just to get the addresses of vendors that provide 
accessories for shotguns.  The shotgun used in the article was a 
Remington 870 on the cover page.  It amazed me how much you could 
customize the gun.

Your best bet would be just to buy a different barrel for it for hunting
and one that is minimum legal length for your area for home defense.  No
sense butchering up a perfectly good hunting barrel.

As for your other questions.  I don't know that much about shotguns.
--

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From: cscc1f@menudo.uh.edu (Gregory W. Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Mini 14
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:43:55 GMT
Organization: University of Houston

In article <53011@mimsy.umd.edu> miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) writes:
#
#Cheif AJ does do "reworks" on the mini-14, but unfortunately it requires that
#the rifle be fitted with a new heavy barrel (read expensive).

Offhand, does anyone know of any companies that make heavy barrels for the 
Mini-14?  Prices?

Thanks,

-Greg Hayes
From: infmx!gregm@uunet.UU.NET (Greg Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Beretta Lovers and everybody else...
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:31:06 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <52964@mimsy.umd.edu> deano@areyes.com (Dean Carpenter) writes:
#In article <52503@mimsy.umd.edu> infmx!gregm@uunet.UU.NET (Greg Mitchell) writes:
##In article <52407@mimsy.umd.edu> uswnvg!rchrist@uunet.UU.NET (Ron Christian) writes:
####[yet another repeat of the disassembled Beretta urban legand]
#
#  I don't understand all this.  I have a 92F, and the only way to break
#it down is to *remove* the magazine.  With the mag in place, that slide
#just ain't going anywhere.
#
#  Well, almost.  It does move forward just a tad, and enough to prevent
#the hammer from striking the firing pin.  But it certaintly doesn't
#come apart.


Well, *don't you know* !!!  These guys train themselves in prison
with replica guns to reach around and pop the mag release with their
little finger as they work the break down latch.  FBI statistics _prove_
that most assailants are right handed.  This makes it imperative
to mount the mag release on the left side of the gun to prevent
total dissambly of your weapon.  Of course this does not apply if
the crook was trained in a prison where they teach the under handed
reverse thumb release method.  The exception to this rule is if
the thugs in your area are predominately left handed in which case
the opposite holds true.  But hell, none of this bothers me.  'Cause
I welded the break down latch shut and converted the gun to belt
feed.  That'll show em !!


        Greg Mitchell            gregm@informix.com

Hey son, that was a joke, I say that was a joke son.  -FHLH
From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Wyoming Parker
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:17:13 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

There was a thread about these pistols some time back.  I did not
follow it since I didn't own one.  A friend of mine bought one of
their 10mm short barreled models since then.  It is prone to
shooting 10 - 12" groups at 25 yds (standing).  Is this typical
accuracy for these guns, or is it this particular gun?

He talked to a gunsmith who works on these pistols and the guy
told him that they would use Colt magazines.  He also told him
that the .45 acp magazines would work in the 10mm frame since you
can, supposedly, change slides, barrels, springs (?) and thus
change calibers on the same frame.  My friend couldn't resist
trying one of my Pachmeyer (sp?) magazines for Colt .45 acp.  2
hours later, we were finally able to remove the magazine.  I
grant the incident was entertaining, but this won't do in a carry
gun ('course I imagine he'll stick to 10mm mags in the future
;-{)  ).  I wondering if the gunsmith told him wrong.  Does
anyone know about this?
-- 
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Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
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From: jca@crash.cts.com (John C. Archambeau)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: bullet & gasoline truck
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:46:29 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In article <53057@mimsy.umd.edu> george@cs.purdue.edu (Michael J. George) writes:
#In article <53029@mimsy.umd.edu>, jca@crash.cts.com (John C. Archambeau) writes:
## 
## It just takes one spark to ignite gasoline.  So yes, it is possible, but
## highly unlikely with only one shot.  What will never happen is a bullet
## igniting diesel.  Diesel ignites under compression, not a spark.
#
#It is quite difficult to light fluid gasoline.  Very easy to light vapors.  Thatis why you can shoot full gas cans, trucks, barrels, etc.  But if you should
#make a spark in vapors, look out.  And if I remember right, neither lead nor
#brass will spark on steel, so that shouldn't be a problem.

No tanker truck is filled 100% to the top of the tank.  Read your
commercial driver handbook or vehicle code section in your state.  While
I do not have a tanker endorsement on my class B CA CDL, I do know that
you can NOT fill a tanker to full capacity.  Shoot in the upper area of
the tanker and you will have vapors.  Gasoline evaporates very quickly.
The top portion of the tanker will be a powder keg waiting to go off at
any spark.

Some bullets are made of copper as well (or so I have read).  Since
neither or us is a metallurgist, neither or us can say for sure unless
we go out and shoot at sheets of steel on the range.

#As far as I know, it is air temp that ignites diesel (>800F), not the pressure
#directly.  Though it *is* the pressure that will raise the cylinder air temp
#that high.  This is from memory, so I may be wrong...

That you may be right about since you need something equivalent to a
spark plug to start a diesel engine up.  But diesel itself is no where
near as volatile as gasoline.
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From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Enfield: Which One?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:28:10 GMT
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <52614@mimsy.umd.edu> by ole@brutus.delab.sintef.no (Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen):

# Btw., I am trying to unscrew the barrel from a P14 receiver, but it
# seems to be stuck. Does anyone know for sure which way the threads go
# on the P14? Any other tips?

Yes, STOP!  This is a common problem from what I hear from gunsmiths.  Stress
relieve the barrel by milling material away from the barrel in front of the
receiver.  This will make it easier to get the barrel off.  If you don't stress
relieve, you'll run the risk of cracking the receiver.

You should get a second opinion, but that's what they tell me.



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From: tighe@convex.COM (Mike Tighe)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Glock 21
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:12:06 GMT
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Texas

messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
#n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del Vecchio) writes:
##dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad) writes:

##> Anybody used a Glock 21?  I'm thinking of buying one, but would like
##> to hear from happy or sad users first.

<positive comments on Glock 21 deleted>

#I agree with every word here.  I was prejudiced against .45 after shooting
#Springfield which handled like a piece of junk, unbalanced and throwing
#bullets at whichever direction.  I tried Glock 21 just to make sure I didn't
#ever want to buy a .45, and I fell in love with that gun.  It is sweeet!
#You have to shoot it to appreciate it, though - looks are not its strong
#point :-)

Ditto, except substitute "AMT Hardballer" for "Springfield", in the above
paragraph. BTW, I sold my AMT with 3 days of buying my Glock 21.

-- 
Mike Tighe, (214) 497-4206
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From: baechler@lia.di.epfl.ch (Emmanuel Baechler)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm vs 40S&W - which to choose?
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:13:00 GMT


# Well...sort of.  Massad Ayoob, in one of his recent magazine articles
# (within the last 2 months or so, but I can't remember which magazine),
# did a story on two recent police-involved shootings in which the bad
# guys were taken down by the .40. [...]

That's interesting. It's however only one of the first cases. I am not
sure that we already have statistically significant results. Again, this
event is interesting, but there are even cases where people resist to
.357 ammo. I wouldn't be surprised that the .40 S&W performs very well,
but we still have to wait to get a serious proof of this.

Emmanuel Baechler.
Laboratoire d'Intelligence Artificielle
Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
MA-Ecublens
CH-1015 Lausanne	Switzerland
Tel.: ++41-21-693-2732
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From: cvacura@uswat.uswest.com (Craig Vacura)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Grizzly for 93
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:31:06 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

Howdy,

I'm going to Alaska in '93 and would like some advice on Grizzly capable 
calibers.  I expect it to be a once-in-a-lifetime event for me and don't 
want to shortchange it.  I've got a 300 Wby Mag that I know is usable, but 
is it barely adaquate, okay, preferred, or ideal?  I've been hunting 
non-dangerous big game for 18 years and consider myself a capable hunter 
and a good shot.  I plan to burn alot of ammo in preparation for the hunt 
whether I get a new rifle or not.  If the 300 isn't up to par, what about 
a .338?  I could trade my 300 for a 338 and not lose much range in 
functionality.  I'm not against getting a .375 or .416, but I probably 
wouldn't use them for anything else.  I would most likely need to do some 
sort of recoil compensation too.  (5'8", 170#)

I'll probably go after Moose as well, but I don't see a power problem 
there.  If I can handle Grizzly, I can handle Moose.

I'm getting in on what is supposed to be a special deal.  My buddy's 
father, a fisherman, is setting it up with a guide he's dealt with for 
years.  He goes every few years.  His friend, a doctor, goes 4 times a 
year and gets a kind of frequent fishermans deal.  The deal is $1800 for 
10 days.  For every person over 2 the price drops $60 each, up to a total 
of 12 people.  For example, 6 people would be $1560 each.  It includes all 
transportation from Anchorage, food, shelter, license and trophy fees for 
2 big game species plus fishing.  I'm still waiting for information on 
what degree of guiding is provided.  Will it be 1 on 1, 1 on 2, or just 
one guide for the whole gang?  I guess that could be where the savings 
are.  I hope not.  We are required to bring our clothing, sleeping bag, 
personal toiletries, and a high powered handgun.  If we hunt we must bring 
our own rifles and ammunition.  Fishing gear is provided on a limited 
basis.  Does anyone have any experience or feedback on this?  Compared to 
prices I've seen at Sportsman's Shows this seems dirt cheap.

I expected to go in ten years and pay three times as much.

Here's hopin',

Craig