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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,misc.legal
Subject: And You Thought Executive Orders Were Bad News!
Summary: There's more...
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:56:49 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting


=== Secret Executive Directives ===


"The Iran-Contra hearings in 1987 called attention to a significant
number of secret executive directives called National Security Decision
Directives (NSDDs).  Unlike proclamations and executive orders, they are
not published in the Federal Register, even though they often have a
direct impact on employees within the federal government and on private
citizens.  Some of the directives are publicly released; others remain
confidential and classified.  A study by the General Accounting Office
in 1988 determined that at least 1,042 presidental directives have been
issued since 1961 and only 247 of those were publicly released.  NSDDs
allow the executive branch to set policy while skirting public,
congressional, and judicial review.  (112)

...

(112) General Accounting Office, "The Use of Presidential Directives
to Make and Implement U.S. Policy," GAO-NSIAD-89-31 (December 1988);
Eve Pell, "The Backbone of Hidden Government," The  Nation, June 19, 1989."

==========

p. 110, Fisher, "Constitutional Conflicts between Congress and the
President", Third Edition, Revised.
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Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,misc.legal
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: And You Thought Executive Orders Were Bad News!
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 00:46:25 GMT
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Summary: There Are Worse Things

{t(Subject: Secret Executive Directives

Summary: (And You thought Executive Orders were bad!)



"The Iran-Contra hearings in 1987 called attention to a significant

number of secret executive directives called National Security
Decision

Directives (NSDDs).  Unlike proclamations and executive orders, they
are

not published in the Federal Register, even though they often have a

direct impact on employees within the federal government and on
private

citizens.  Some of the directives are publicly released; others remain

confidential and classified.  A study by the General Accounting Office

in 1988 determined that at least 1,042 presidental directives have
been

issued since 1961 and only 247 of those were publicly released.  NSDDs

allow the executive branch to set policy while skirting public,

congressional, and judicial review.  (112)



...



(112) General Accounting Office, "The Use of Presidential Directives

to Make and Implement U.S. Policy," GAO-NSIAD-89-31 (December 1988);

Eve Pell, "The Backbone of Hidden Government," The  Nation, June 19,

1989."



==========

p. 110, Fisher, "Constitutional Conflicts between Congress and the

President", Third Edition, Revised.


-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
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Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.usa
From: jackc@vermont.mips.com (Jack Choquette)
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
Subject: Future Civilization advances
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:16:20 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: vermont.mips.com



I've been playing the computer game called "Civilization", a great
game.  Part of the play is that you go through human history and
achieve various civilization advances, some of which are dependent on
previous advances.  For example, the civilization advance of Trade
requires the advances of currency and code of laws.  Each advance
allows you to do something.  For example, navigation allows you to
build sailing ships to sail the seas to explore the world and
transport items for trade or war.

This sparked an interest for me to do research in what science
fiction believes future civilization advances will be.  I'm interested
in finding out what people in this newsgroup feel will be the major
civilization advances in the near and far future.  What will be the
implications of this advance, and what will this advance require
before it can be developed.  Below are some possible categories and
some examples from history.  Feel free to go outside these categories.
	transportation:  sailing, railroads, flight
	weapons:  gunpowder, nuclear
	government:  Monarchy, Democracy, Communism
	religion/philosophy/education
	trade:  currency, trade caravans and routes  
	new sciences:  chemistry, physics.
	discoveries: electricity, magnetism

Either email me or post to this newsgroup.  I will post a summary of
replies if people are interested.  I would like to know of any books
or magazine articles where I could find such information.  Any
references to sf novels or short stories would also be very helpful.

Thanks for your help!

/jack
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
From: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk (Roger Whitehead)
Subject: Re: Future Civilization advances        
Cc: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:20:54 +0000

Best of luck!   8->

Roger
From: jackc@vermont.mips.com (Jack Choquette)
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
Subject: Re: Future Civilization advances
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:57:29 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: vermont.mips.com

In article <memo.607582@cix.compulink.co.uk>, rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk (Roger Whitehead) writes:
|> I notice that your list excludes artistic pursuits, both high and low, and
|> linguistic changes. These are often indicators of, as well as influences on,
|> the nature of civilisations.

It is true that I failed to mentioned these types of advances, but I would
welcome peoples ideas on these and any other types of advances they feel would
have an important effect on civilization, regardless if it falls into my
catagories or not. 

A new structured unifying language may be one advance.  It would allow
everyone in the world to communicate through an easy to learn yet very
versatile and powerful language.  I don't mean english.  There is one
language that has been developed but I can't remember its name.

|> 
|> Then again, you may need to define your terms.  There is some merit in the
|> line taken by Mohandas K. Gandhi.  When asked his opinion of Western
|> civilisation, he said he was in favour of it.

I should define my terms.  A civilization advance can actually be a step
back for civilization.  Some would argue that the industrial revolution
was such an "advance" because it caused us to loose touch with living
with nature.

A civilization "advance" is anything that dramatically changes human 
civilization.

|> 
|> Roger Whitehead
|> 
|> PS  Given the sketchy plots and laughable characterisation of most science
|> fiction (definitely low art), reference to it is unlikely to give you a
|> subtle or profound view of the future.

I agree that most SF books are, as you said, "low art" and would fail to
give me any subtle or profound views.  But the same can be said of
all catagories of books and is not unique to SF and other pulp books.  I
am asking for references to find the small handful of good SF books, or
other books, out there that may fit my needs; and I know they are out there.


/jack
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
From: rcsjp@cgl.rmit.oz.au (Jason Pouflis)
Subject: Re: Future Civilization advances
Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
Date:  4 Sep 92 05:08:30 GMT

As an aside:

there was a recent thread on a philosphy group about
the evolution of consciousness.

the way it relates is,
Could consciousness (or at the least self-consciousness)
be a civilization advance/invention

just a thought
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
From: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk (Roger Whitehead)
Subject: Re: Future Civilization advances        
Cc: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:57:13 +0000

I can't help feeling that your lifestyle shopping list would be an
ecological, social and spiritual disaster!

       I've been married only once (in 22 yrs),
       have had only one child (who's 14 yrs old),
       my cars are 3 and 6 yrs old, respectively,
       my house is 80 yrs old (and I've lived in it 17 yrs)
       my computers are both 3 yrs old,
       and I haven't owned a motorbike for 30 yrs.

Are you saying I can/should change or add to any of those yearly?  8->

Roger
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
From: doucette@hannah.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Future Civilization advances
Reply-To: doucette@hannah.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:40:43 GMT


Check out Alvin Toffler's "The Third Wave."

My guess is that the next major advancement will be the impact of a 
telecommunications infrastructure so advanced that people can communicate
"over wire" as effectively as face to face.  At that point, it becomes
easier to communicate over wire than travel to meet with someone.

Teleconferencing is already becoming an alternate to travel, but in the
future we may find ourselves working from our homes, Telecommuting, instead
of Travelling to work.

The advanced communication structure could also have an effect on government,
but there is an issue on how slow the bureaucracy moves...

Manufacturing, especially in silicon chips, is getting huge investments of
resources and intellectual effort.  I've read that the next generation chip
plants will cost $1Billion (yes, that's a "B") to build.  Most of the cost
is in super-clean room and vibration dampening technologies.  Some day they're
going to figure out that chips could be manufactured cheaper in outer space.

Religion:  Check out William Campbell's work.  He wrote extensively on how
all the religions are interrelated.  Some point religions will start focusing
on their similarities with other sects instead of their differences.  When
that occurs our spiritual well being will move up a notch or two.

Trade:  The 3 major trade zones, Asia, America, and Europe will dominate trade
into the next century.  Probably by 2050, there will be two or three other
major blocks (Africa, Eastern block, space?)

Discoveries:  Fusion, renewable energy sources, mining old landfill sites for
materials instead of new sources on raw materials cause it's cheaper.

Weapons:  Some day technology will provide the power for one person to wipe out
a nation using common, every day technology.  Hopefully the morality of people
everywhere will stop the chance of this occuring.

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Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
From: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk (Roger Whitehead)
Subject: Future Civilization advances            
Cc: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: rwhitehead@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:41:45 +0000

I notice that your list excludes artistic pursuits, both high and low, and
linguistic changes. These are often indicators of, as well as influences on,
the nature of civilisations.

Then again, you may need to define your terms.  There is some merit in the
line taken by Mohandas K. Gandhi.  When asked his opinion of Western
civilisation, he said he was in favour of it.

Roger Whitehead

PS  Given the sketchy plots and laughable characterisation of most science
fiction (definitely low art), reference to it is unlikely to give you a
subtle or profound view of the future.
Newsgroups: alt.society.futures
From: tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli)
Subject: Re: Future Civilization advances
Reply-To: tuff@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:53:17 GMT

	In regards to what language that has already been developed for use
as a unified human tongue, I assume that you are thinking of Esperanto, which
is, I can personally vouch, vary easy to learn, very expandable, and very
flexible.

	On a side note, I always find it interesting to remember that when
the League of Nations was formed, it was proposed that Esperanto be used as
the official language of the organization. Then it was killed by the French,
who said that French was already the international language. When the United
Nations was formed, again it was proposed that Esperanto be used as the
official language of the organization - then it was the U.S. that killed it,
saying that English was already the international language.

	I think this aptly demonstrates that to a great extent we already have
the tools - what we need are the social conditions to effect the will power
to use them.


	Geoff Tuffli
	tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu

Newsgroups: comp.society.cu-digest,alt.society.cu-digest
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: get with the plan!
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 16:58:18 GMT
Followup-To: poster

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Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberties
From: hutzley@ranger.dec.com (Steve Hutzley)
Subject: Violation of rights?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:57:33 GMT



               A first time poster here, and I have a question about
       civil rights.

               I know someone who was fired from a small company, in
       what I fell was less than 'ideal' contitions.

               Let me explain, this person was told that 'the office
       can't have her talking to EX-employees, even in her own time.
       And he babled sometting about 'her time sheets'. After that,
       she logged in as soon as she walked in, and stayed logged on
       until she left. according to her, she did all her typing work,
       and then did her copy work.

               The following week she was let go for 'lying about her
       hours'. All the senior person had was the printout of the
       computer log-in and log-out times (esily altered).

               Now, before you think this is a secure facility, where
       talking to EX-employees 'could' be a problem. This is a
       small/medium law firm (medical malpractice, personal injury,
       estates), and the 'SHE' worked as a night legal secreatry, who
       was on Salary, and woeked with another 'SHE' , and they became
       good friends. Now the OTHER she won't even talk to her, ( i
       suspect the same speach to her ). And, this PLACE, was in the
       process of haveing a POLICY manual worked up. NOWHERE in there
       did it mention EX-employees.

               Do you think I have something here with the EX-EMPLOYEE
       thing.?


               Please respond by mail, as I don't have much time to
       read here.

               Thanks
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU ()
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: BREEDERS   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 31 Aug 1992 17:10:24 GMT
Organization: Project Stop Breeding (stupid people)
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Aug21.155851.13974@ncsu.edu> kbr.eos writes:
>
>This is a pretty GAY newsgroup, you HOMOS should know
>this is going to be flamed CONSTANTLY.
>
>				Faggot-hater,	
>				     Russ

Remember that hate destroys you, all of it inside of you tearing away at
your inner self- and sould (or what is left of it)...

So go on, feel the hate, live the hate and in the end you will be destoryed 
by it.


HAHA HAHA
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: sej5g@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Susan Elizabeth Juroff)
Subject: Re: QUEERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:00:47 GMT

You're obviously very confused if you think you'll be the one
flaming.

Susie
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From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Sue Me
Keywords: "I sue *.*"
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:51:39 GMT
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: purplehaze.corp.sun.com



In article <17563@autodesk.COM> booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:

>>They ought to put Chinese handcuffs on their dicks and let 'em fight it out.

>Uh, What if they are women, Geoff? I don't think Chinese handcuffs can
>fit on average sized titties.


But Russ or whoever it was described them, and they're both guys.  Besides,
we're talking lawyers here, so what are the odds?  We all know that "male"
is the default gender. :)



Geoff


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Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: Re: Hurricane Peeve
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:06:09 GMT

In article <CINDY.92Aug30133147@solan10.solan.unit.no> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
   A short question, but one that is burning a hole in my mind in the
   wake of the recent hurricane in Southern Florida (which, to hear the
   locals interviewed for television tell it, is The Worst Disaster That
   Ever Happened In The Whole World):

   What are people _thinking_ when they chose to live in a TRAILER
   in the middle of hurricane country?

   They live in an area where a storm with enough power to make your
   average nuclear bomb green with envy can come along any year and
   smash their entire city flat, and they chose to live in a flimsy
   container of plywood.  I don't get it.  

   -Cindy Kandolf
    cindy@solan.unit.no
    Trondheim, Norway

Plus, Cindy, it is a proven fact that trailer parks attract tornados.

I would ask a similar question. Why do people pay a bunch of money for a
ticky tacky [California style] place up on High Range, right next to the
Sanitary Land Fill for the City of Las Cruces (and the County of Dona
Ana), and then bitch because there is a "dump" right next to their
property? 

These are apparently the same people who bought the lots next to the
airport, built there, and are now bitching about the noise of airplanes
landing right next door.

Peeve: Ignorant people who truly get what they deserve.

Anti-peeve: The covenants where I live allow me to keep a horse in my
            yard. You won't here me bitching about it either.
  (..)
   ~~

L.
"Yeh, Buddy..            | larry@psl.nmsu.edu (Larry Cunningham)|  _~~_
 I've got your COMPUTER! | % Physical Science Laboratory        | (O)(-)
 Right HERE!!"           | New Mexico State University          |  /..\ 
 (computer THIS!)        | Las Cruces, New Mexico, USA 88003    |   <> 
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Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are CORRECT, mine, and not PSLs or NMSUs..
Because the plot demands: an EVIL man!!
From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: own private idaho
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:12:22 GMT
	<la7lhlINNjv@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
	<LARRY.92Sep2072736@peak.psl.nmsu.edu>
	<la9n4mINN2mt@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory

In article <la9n4mINN2mt@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:

	[...]
   >(That military haircut won't get you anywhere, Sailor. :->  )

   "Bruce," hell; they're all women.  The place I go to is called Schroeder's,
   a local Supercuts clone.  And like Supercuts, all their stylists are of
   the distaff persuasion.  (Thanx and a tip of the fedora to Phil Gustafson
   for the new word.)

So, you actually go there to get these busty girls to hold you down while
they shampoo and cut your hair? 

   >MyPeeve: Having to pay full price for a haircut, when the permanent
   >         anti-Mohawk saves the barber a lot of clipping.. (Screw styling
   >         it!)

   An anti-Mohawk?  You mean it's long on the sides with a trench down the
   middle?

Make that a *wide* trench down the middle.
                                        
It's a solar panel for a sex machine!  (..)
                                        ~~
Actually, it's as a symptom of testosterone poisoning. (Nature's way
of giving you young punks an occasional shot at the girlies. If I had hair,
they'd all be too "busy" all the time..)
        
Peeves: Alopecia. Testosterone poisoning. White-outs. 
        I *still* have them.

   >AntiPeeve: Going from longhair to redneck to longhair over a cycle of
   >           several months. I get a broad spectrum of viewpoints.

   >Peeve: My Radical Liberal Left tendencies are approximately porportional 
   >       to the length of my hair. 

   You've noticed that phenomenomenon too, huh?  I first realized it was
   time for a haircut when I caught myself thinking about putting a Clinton
   bumper sticker on my truck.

Right after I get it cut, I start thinking that Rush Limbaugh is making
some sense. After a couple of days, however, I'm back to reading George 
Wills again.

L.

"Yeh, Buddy..            | larry@psl.nmsu.edu (Larry Cunningham)|  _~~_
 I've got your COMPUTER! | % Physical Science Laboratory        | (O)(-)
 Right HERE!!"           | New Mexico State University          |  /..\ 
 (computer THIS!)        | Las Cruces, New Mexico, USA 88003    |   <> 
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Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are CORRECT, mine, and not PSLs or NMSUs..
Now you get you some WHITE liquor, Geoff! Not rum, and not that BROWN liquor!
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: Chuck Tomlinson <chuck@ssc.space.umn.edu>
Subject: THE MALL OF AMERICA!!! THE BEST EVER
Organization: Space Science Graphics/U of M
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:42:20 GMT

Greetings!!! For anyone interested in bitching about the Mall of America,
we here in Minnesooota have a friend who loves the great MOA like it was
the best thing invented since sliced bread!!  He would love to talk at
length about the finer points of creative marketing schemes in the 90's
and how the MOA is incomparable as far of providing the most emotionally
rewarding shopping experience available to mankind in this century!!
Please, please, please e-mail him directly with your complaints or praise
for the mighty mighty Mall of America at the following address:

                                        george@ssc.space.umn.edu

Please address him as "Skull" and start every e-mail message with the
phrase:

             			                 "Let me tell you somethin'!!!!"


THIS IS NOT A JOKE!  HE REALLY LIKES TO ARGUE ABOUT HOW GREAT THIS DAMN
MALL IS ALL THE TIME.  HE SHOULD BE WORKING IN THEIR PUBLIC RELATIONS
OFFICE!!!! E-MAIL HIM =TODAY=!!!!!

Thank you.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves