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From: Michael.Bohl@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Bohl)
Subject: Dickens Ware
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:55:03 GMT

Hello,
	My wife (of English decent) lives to read and collect Dickens
memorabelia pieces.  By chance, is anyone aware of where I may find Royal
Doulton's Dickens Ware china.  With Christmas around the corner it would
make a nice present.  I live in North Carolina and have trouble finding
people who know what I am asking for, let alone having any for sale.  If
someone can point me in a direction I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.

Mike
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From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 07:54:32 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>Alison J Wyld writes:
>	
>	Wouldn't it make more sense to make it compulsory that Shakespeare
>	is *seen* rather than read.  On paper I find him difficult but
>	on stage I think he's wonderful.
>

	You're forgetting one important medium: Records or cassettes.
	I've checked out many classic performances of WS from the
	library, which is pretty darn-well-stocked.  This medium
	is perfect for understanding the speech patterns and emphasis,
	aiding comprehension; and not having the actors to look at
	enhances the imaginative aspect of the experience.

>
>William Sburgfort Smith

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Is Clinton Wilson?
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:32:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.193012.21441@sj.nec.com> paul@hagar.tdd.sj.nec.com (Paul Gordon  x3856) writes:
>  Could you provide some hard facts to back up the above statement. I have
>heard from a number of sources that Medicare/Medicaid some of the most efficient
>health care programs in the US - they control costs and have very low
>administrative overheads.

EDS, hence Ross Perot's billions, was built on administering Medicare.
If the Pentagon can pay $1000 for a wrench, I'm sure there are rorts in
Medicare too.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: Architecture & Software Technology Group, Intel Corp.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:37:36 GMT

In article <BvFoLK.KEt@fulcrum.bt.co.uk> igb@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Ian G Batten) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.144829.8900@infonode.ingr.com> palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Christopher M. Palmer) writes:
>> I have trouble "getting into" a play which I
>> have never seen performed
>
> [...]
>How can you study a play without seeing it?  Even if you can, what is
>the point?  Esepcially as theatrical play as ``Tempest''?

Reading plays closely (which I imagine equates to 'studying' them,
except for the need to prove that you've done it) is a very rewarding
exercise, and a skill worth practising. Essentially, it cuts out the
middleman, and lets the dramatist speak directly to you.  Your own
imagination becomes the director and the cast.

Mind you, when the middleman is of RSC calibre, then there's a lot of
enjoyment to be had in watching someone else's interpretation too, and
I have certainly had visits to that company (particularly back in Trevor
Nunn's day) that illuminated a play far beyond what my own reading had done.

I think they're different, complementary, ways of letting a play work on you.

>ian

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Newsgroups: uk.politics,soc.culture.british
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: I've found a copy of the Maastrict Treaty
Organization: sgi
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 04:20:31 GMT

In article <BvI516.294@newcastle.ac.uk>, w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk writes:
|> I've seen a copy of the Maastrict Treaty in the library.  If you want to
|> find it - you'll have great difficulty.

No you won't, you great buffoon.  It's ftp'able from the
net, for starters.

Can someone supply this poor downtrodden fellow a site name?

jon.
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From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Reading scripts and scores
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:15:45 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley) writes:

>>Reading plays closely (which I imagine equates to 'studying' them,
>>except for the need to prove that you've done it) is a very rewarding
>>exercise, and a skill worth practising. Essentially, it cuts out the
>>middleman, and lets the dramatist speak directly to you.  Your own
>>imagination becomes the director and the cast.
>
>I must be missing something here.  Do playwrights write plays to be
>acted or to be read?  Do you read opera?  Do you read film scores?  
>Laban?  Stockhausen?  To be really insulting, do you read synchronised 
>swimming scripts, and let your 'imagination' provide the performance?  


     Directors and conductors had better keep on reading scripts and
scores or there won't *be* any performances.  And what they may do, 
members of the audience may also do to deepen their understanding of
the performance they're going to see -- or just saw.  You bet I read
opera: the score, not the libretto since there isn't any opera with a
libretto worth reading.  I've never read any Stockhausen but I expect
it would be a considerable help and if anyone dragged me to a Stock-
hausen concert I would attend equipped with xeroxed score and little
flashlight.  I don't usually take scripts to plays because (usually)
there's only going to be one person speaking at a time and one doesn't
need visual aids to help hear the counterpoint and inner voices as one
might at a musical performance.  You *don't* do this sort of thing?
Well, let me reveal to you that there's a whole new level of active
participation that you haven't experienced: lower than actually playing
first cello or Second Murderer but higher than just sitting in the
forty fifth row trying to look enraptured.

                                                 -- jf
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:14:51 GMT
Organization: sgi

In article <1992Oct5.132145.23061@hasler.ascom.ch>, kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1ah9ttINNf5g@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>, martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> Industries *can* come back: look at the British car industry,
|> |> from a low point in 1989 it is now expanding again,
|> 
|> Small but subtle difference, there used to be a British car
|> industry, now there's a car industry in Britain - spot the 
|> difference!

And the difference is <drum roll> the new car industry in Britain
is allowed to get on with the job of building cars any way it
wants, buying its parts from any supplier it wants, using whatever
labour it wants, at the lowest cost it can get, instead of being 
used as a fancy scheme to prop up uneconomic coal mines and steel 
mills.

Ironic, isn't it, that having run British owned firms into the
ground by over-control, we now have to offer foreigners the
right to run their businesses on a rational basis to get them
to invest in the UK.    We couldn't offer ourselves that right,
Oooooh no.

jon.
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From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:22:34 GMT

In article <qfk60pc@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.212802.4550@epas.toronto.edu>, sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh) writes:
>|> It's bonkers because Shakespeare's English is now 375 or so years old.
>|> Why should we be expecting 14-year-olds to comprehend it?
>
>Probably a stupid question, but have you ever read any
>Shakespeare?  

When I was 10 years old, my father started taking me to Stratford,
Ontario, to see the productions of Shakespeare there.  I learned to
understand Shakespeare when it was performed long before I learned to
read it.  When I *did* read Shakespeare for the first time in seventh
grade (at a private school), we read the plays out loud, and it was
difficult.  Most of my classmates hated it.  In ninth grade (at a
public high school), we had to do _The Merchant of Venice_.  I
understood it (though I didn't like that one).  Almost none of my
classmates had any notion of what the play was about.  They couldn't
understand it.  They hated it.  They hated English class.  They
resented reading.  *That's* the problem.

>What are we going to do next?   Excuse the little darlings
>from listening to Mozart because it doesn't have a nice
>solid disco beat?

No, but we could try teaching literature that they *can* understand
(and I'm talking about literal comprehension of language) *first*.

Stephanie Fysh
Dept of English
Univ. of Toronto.
From: streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Some of my best friends are speculators
Date: 3 Oct 92 06:14:31 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Oct2.111411.7770@rz-berlin.mpg.de> gray@rz-berlin.mpg.de writes:
>
>  I believe that if JM and his performing clowns had put up interest
>rates some months ago the current crisis might have been avoided.  But

I don't believe this crisis *was* avoidable. The pound, basically, was too
high. The "speculators", who are in large part people employed by large
companies to protect those companies' assets, are capable of figuring this
out. Once there is even a hint that many of them think the currency is
overvalued, that's it, interest rates or no interest rates, and no central
bank has anything like enough funds to stop the slide. It's like trying to
prevent earthquakes by bolting the plates together at the edges.  I think the
reason Major tried to prevent it is that he is aware that devaluation solves
nothing.  Of course, making the kind of "commitment" that they tried to is
just giving hostages to fortune.
>
>  I also believe that tricks like devaluation no longer work in Britain,
>if they ever did in the first place.  Devaluation only works if you have
>a very disciplined or a very stupid workforce (and I include management
>here, so no flames about blaming the working class please).  Britain has
>neither.  The same business and union 'leaders' who demand devaluation
>then go on to demand or award themselves compensating pay rises, which
>negate the supposed positive effects of the devaluation, whilst leaving
>all the inflationary effects in place.

Right - there is too much short-termism on both sides. Devaluation gives a
short-term benefit, but no more than that.

I have difficulty seeing how the ERM can be expected to work. What Britain
needs is low interest rates to get the economy going again (as far as I
understand it, inflation is quite low). If German interest rates are high
Britain's are forced to be as well, to no benefit. You either need no ERM,
or monetary union which would be problematical, if I understand The Economist
correctly, because of the wide disparity in wealth of the various states, which
is much greater than that of say the states of the US, which do have monetary
union. Monetary union is clearly desirable because of the savings but I doubt
its feasibility at the moment.

tin.
From: pjs@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Peter J. Scott)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: bad teeth (was: pardon etc.)
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:59:08 GMT
Reply-To: pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech

In article <1992Sep27.170518.7302@philmtl.philips.ca>, ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
> In referenced article, pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
> >....When I got
> >here and went to a dentist she was shocked by the NHS work; I went
> >through several visits of corrective work after which my teeth have
> >been just fine.  She discovered while replacing one filling that the
> >NHS dentist had put base on top of amalgam instead of the other way
> >around.
> 
> Let me guess - she persuaded you to replace all those nasty amalgum fillings
> that were poisoning your body with mercury!

Nope, only fringe dentists do that as far as I know.  I think she just
replaced them with amalgam fillings again, fixing places where the NHS 
dentist had left holes, filled two teeth with one filling, etc.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Know someone at Triumph or Norton???
Organization: :noitazinagrO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:22:45 GMT

Douglas S Beck (dsbeck@athena.mit.edu) wrote:
: I am a PhD candidate at MIT.  I am working on a project, designing a regenerated
: gas-turbine engine for a motorcycle application.  I am trying to find which
: motorcycle companies are interested in this research.  If you know someone at
: Norton, Triumph, or another British motorcycle company, I would appreciate you
: sending me that person's address, telephone number, or e-mail address.  Thank you.
: 
Are there any British motorcycle companies?  Triumph and BSA merged over
20 years ago, Norton merged with them some years later, then there was
the Meriden Workers Cooperative trying to make something out of the
remnants of the Norton-Villiers-Triumph lash-up after it all collapsed,
and then -- what?  Maybe a cottage industry in parts for classic bikes
but hardly anything to keep Papa Honda awake at night.  Tell you what:
try Queens University, Belfast.  They had some interesting research
in the early 70s.  Also, avoid anyone known as "Uncle Clive".

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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Halloween in England
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:29:56 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
>The Celts were celebrating their festivals long before there were
>Catholics. I certainly don't perceive Hallowe'en as being a Catholic
>festival - I have always considered it as Pagan, which was the Celtic
>religion before Christianity. If the Christains have similar festivals,
>then perhaps they took them from the Pagans (Celtic or otherwise) too.

Yes, my objection was your mention of Celts as if they were the
only pagan people in Europe, or as if any pagan borrowings in
Christianity must come from the Celts as opposed to anyone
else. My feeling is that the RC Church preserves Euro-paganism
in a far better form than any modern trendy revivals.

Matthew Huntbach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: Re: France, je vous remercie pour l'election d'Anti-Christ
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:54:46 GMT

In article <30SEP199218005599@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>
>I suspect from your email address that you are Canadian, from the country
>that invented "differently-abled" as a euphemism for disabled, and where
>full stops (periods) are pronounced "aye".

That's "eh"!

As in, "Take off, eh!"

Adrian.

From Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.  You know, the one with the University,
eh?  Like, not the one that Napolean met, eh.
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From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 2 Oct 1992 15:16:19 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com

In article <1992Oct2.145932.14086@ttinews.tti.com>, jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:

> day than they are now? I have been led to believe by period drama that
> 17th Century British people took a delight in words, word play, puns and
> so on -- is that true?
> 
> Dick Jackson

I think it's still true to an extent today, even though TV has replaced
the theatre as the most common source of it. Some of the better TV
comedy series (usually the BBC ones) have relied more on witty dialogue
than the blunt visual gags that show up in many of the imported series
(from various places) which appear on UK TV.

Steve


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: Currency problems
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:34:26 GMT


Jon, the reason many weedy smallbrains like myself see you as a poisoned shit
is precicely because you love this roustabout style. 

If you wish to assert that there is no coal mined in the UK such that cheaper
*equivalent quality* cannot be obtained from overseas, by all means do so. 
My only intent in posting before was to suggest NOT ALL COAL IS EQUIVALENT
and that dickwits like myself must suspect your lordship of not realizing this
if you slavishly refer to overseas open-cast and its cheaper price.

But what does it cost you to do so without bruising my already peach-soft ego?

	-George
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: Currency problems
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:24:34 GMT

livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>It's not *deep* mined coal, German or otherwise, which is the
>real cheap stuff.    It's open-cast coal which has a built-in
>price advantage, expecially open-cast coal from low-wage economies,
>like Poland.

Not all coal is coal. Lots of Polish open-cast coal is 'brown coal'
which is close to peat, very unclean and low-power when burned. Using
this stuff for some work such as steel making (does anybody use coke
any more in the process? I thought a reducing atmosphere was still in
there) is not condusive to a high-quality product. Given (reasonable?)
restraints on pollutants from powerstations, you might not be ABLE to
use polish brown coal without financial disadvantage.  You use more of
it, you need to scrub the smoke more, clean machinery more.

Like anything else, if you have to buy coal, buying cheap is not always
the best move.

	-George
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From: metceram@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: VNS, Fri 25-Sep-92
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:00:49 GMT
Reply-To: slking@epx.cis.umn.edu
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Sep28.230008.22816@syacus.acus.oz.au>, james@syacus.acus.oz.au (James Smith) writes:
> 
>>Simon 
> 
>>P.S. Who was the Home Sec/ Foreign Sec/ other senior cabinet member who was
>>nailed for drunk driving a few years back (1980 ish ? I seem to remember: 10mph,
>>bumping into the kerb every now and then around St. James's Park) ??
> 
> There are two possible candidates here. One is the fictional Home Secretary in the last episode of Yes Minister which saw Jim Hacker elected party leader and hence became PM and so the series changed its name to Yes Prime Minister. The other candidate is Sir Gerald Nabarro (spelling ?), a Tory minister in the seventies. I don't think he had a particularly high office, may be just transport minister.
> 
> James Smith


Thanks.
Maybe the one inspired the other ?
You're right - I think the 10mph bit was Yes Minister. A program that was,
apparently, remarkably true to life.
Simon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: ALWAYS REMEMBER (was: Re: Guy Fawkes night)
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:05:01 GMT

In article <DBROOKS.92Sep28221713@penge.osf.org> dbrooks@penge.osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>nikolay@husc10.harvard.edu (Philip Nikolayev) writes:
>> There's a poem (song?) about the old saboteur, which begins:
>> 'Always remember the 5th of November...' Does anyone remember
>> the rest of it, or know any details about it?
>
>       Please to remember
>       The Fifth of November,
>         Gunpowder treason and plot;
>       We know no reason
>       Why gunpowder treason
>         Should ever be forgot.
>
>From an anonymous broadsheet of 1826, but the first three lines date back
>to the 17th century.
>
>Note the U.S. retains the archaic version of the last word: "forgotten".

	A lot of people (certainly most of the people I ever heard
	chanting this) used the first line: "Remember, Remember". An
	easily understood corruption that scans nicely.

	Alec Chambers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: james@syacus.acus.oz.au (James Smith)
Subject: Re: VNS, Fri 25-Sep-92
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:00:08 GMT


>Simon 

>P.S. Who was the Home Sec/ Foreign Sec/ other senior cabinet member who was
>nailed for drunk driving a few years back (1980 ish ? I seem to remember: 10mph,
>bumping into the kerb every now and then around St. James's Park) ??

There are two possible candidates here. One is the fictional Home Secretary in the last episode of Yes Minister which saw Jim Hacker elected party leader and hence became PM and so the series changed its name to Yes Prime Minister. The other candidate is Sir Gerald Nabarro (spelling ?), a Tory minister in the seventies. I don't think he had a particularly high office, may be just transport minister.

James Smith
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From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:26:35 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1992Sep29.212802.4550@epas.toronto.edu> sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh) writes:
>>Why is this bonkers?  It sounds like an excellent idea (although it might
>>be better to require more than one play).
>
>It's bonkers because Shakespeare's English is now 375 or so years old.
>Why should we be expecting 14-year-olds to comprehend it?  It's no
>wonder so many people dislike reading, and never go to the theatre.
>Personally, I'd be quite happy to see Shakespeare completely taken out
>of high school curricula, except for advanced (special) classes and -
>perhaps - university-qualification level senior classes.
>
>Stephanie Fysh
>Dept. of English
>Univ. of Toronto
>(sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca)

Wouldn't it make more sense to make it compulsory that Shakespeare is
*seen* rather than read.  On paper I find him difficult but on stage I
think he's wonderful.  Of course requiring classes to go to the
theatre would cost money...

Alison
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