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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:35:57 -0500 
From: "Mary A. Mark" <mmbt+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Aluminum-plastic dumbek (darabouka)

I am trying to find a place from which to order a 
particular construction of dumbek (aka doumbek, 
dourbakee, darbouka, darabouka, etc.)  
[dumbek := hand-played goblet drum from the middle east]

The construction I'm looking for is:
aluminum body (quite heavy, looks like cast metal, not beaten)
plastic head 
plastic rim bolted (?) around the top to secure the head

I've seen a number of people playing these professionally,
but haven't been able to find a source to buy one from.  
If anyone can suggest one, I'd appreciate it.
From what I've been able to find out so far, 
the construction in question is currently being
produced in Egypt and may be imported to the USA.

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From: raistlin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Steven White)
Subject: Re: Pipe Band drummers????
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:52:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.184313.1285@dct.ac.uk> mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk (Kirk Potter) writes:
>-- 
>Anyone out there a side-drummer in a pipeband?? I would be pleased to here
>
>from you....
>
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Well this is something you don't see to often, of all the drummers I have met

not once have I ever meet one who was in a pipe band besides myself and of 

course the other guys in the band.  There just aren't too many people who have

even seen a bagpipe.  I have to say, some of the best years I've had playing,

were with the band( St. Andrews of Detroit, MI).  Drum playing in a pipe band

can also hold its own against almost any other kind.  There is nothing easy or

shabby about it.  I once saw the Glasgow Police and any one of the snare's 

could have easily taken the DCI solo snare champ easy, but I guess that's not

whats important, eh.  Basically, I would recommend playing in a bagpipe to any-

one.  It is challenging, fun, and you can be seen in public wearing a skirt 

without being harassed.

-Steven

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs)
Subject: Re: double bass pedals
Reply-To: dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:08:34 GMT


In article <1992Nov10.224942.18787@cypress.com>, sh@cypress.com (Steve Haigh/VDSP) writes:

|>I recommend Yamaha. I payed about $239 about 6 months ago. Great
|>pedal. Alex VanHalen and Matt Sorum of GnR use them.
|>

And just what does Alex Vanhalen do with it? :-)  Just kidding.  Actually
there are numerous top drummers playing the Yamaha pedal: Dave Weckl,
Vinnie Coliuta to name a couple.

Dale
From: gtas1@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Terrance Stedman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Splash cymbal stands...
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:16:18 GMT
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology


	I'm looking for small "boom" stands for 8 and 10 inch splash 
cymbals which will clamp onto my existing cymbal stands.
I know I've seen these somewhere before but cannot remember where or
who the manufacturer was.  Any ideas?
-- 
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From: robh@meaddata.com (Rob Hoeting)
Subject: Re: double bass pedals
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:24:16 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Nov10.171334.16528@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com>, dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs) writes:
|> 
|> I'm using the Yamaha double pedal and thus far it's working great.  I tried
|> as many as possible and though lots of drummers like the Drum Workshop
|> double pedal, I didn't think it was as smooth as the Yamaha.  The
|> top-of-the-line Pearl double pedal wasn't bad either (I considered this
|> because I have a Pearl kit).  The only think I need now is a bag to haul it
|> around in...it's a pain to break it down all the time.

I use a Yamaha, too, and its great! I agree its much smoother than 
DW or Gibralter. I bought it used about 3-4 years ago for around $200
which happened to be more than new DW's or Gibralter's. Even tho it was
used, it was still much better.

What do you guys think of this snazzy new sig I whipped up?
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From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Aluminum-plastic dumbek
Date: 11 Nov 1992 20:22:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <BxIp2D.69G@mtholyoke.edu> kharstin@MtHolyoke.edu (Ken Harstine) writes:
>I can't remember the brand name, however it is made in Egypt.  There is
>only one drum I no of that meet your description.  It is aluminum with a
>clear plastic head.  The head is secured by screws with a rounded rim.  The
>body is often covered with a plastic coating for decorative purposes. 
>It's a great Arabic style drum.
---
	Poo.  I've yet to hear one that had even marginal sound quality.  I've
been in Rhythym Fusion and tried several -- they all sucked.

-wat-
--
 --- "If women really earned fifty-nine cents to the dollar for the same
 work as men, what business could compete effectively by hiring men at
 any level?"    -- Dr. Warren Farrell
From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Middle Eastern rhythms
Date: 11 Nov 1992 20:16:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <1dp5svINNb88@lester.appstate.edu> GRS00005@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (*Kevin Stuart Liske) writes:
>Does anyone know of where/who/how to locate Middle Eastern rhythms
>for hand drums?  I'm interested in learning how to play such rhythms
>and need either something simple or teaching type tapes.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Kevin
---
	You might call Mary Ellen Donald at (415) 826-DRUM, I believe,
in San Francisco -- she's in the phone book there.  She has two looseleaf/
spiral bound notebook sized books out as well as 1 or 2 teaching tapes.
She's been teaching for about 10-15 years.

-wat-
--
 --- "If women really earned fifty-nine cents to the dollar for the same
 work as men, what business could compete effectively by hiring men at
 any level?"    -- Dr. Warren Farrell
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: rreed@mtwire.es.com (Rob Reed)
Subject: Re: Pipe Band drummers????
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:47:53 GMT

> Anyone out there a side-drummer in a pipeband?? I would be pleased to here

> from you....

> KIRK


Yo.  I just joined a pipeband here in Salt Lake City, Utah, of all
places, and I am a "side-drummer".  The terminology is a little new to
me.  The music notation is also somewhat new.  But I'm starting to
catch on.

The local "lead" drummer thinks Alex Duthart was God.  I wouldn't
know.  I never heard him play.  He wrote a couple of "settings" for
our group, and I think they are well written.

So far it's kind of fun, but we're much too sloppy for my tastes.  I'm
used to drum and bugle corpse drumming.

Can you recommend some really hot pipe band drumming recordings?  The
only one I've got is "The Intercontinental Drummers Fanfare",
featuring: Andrew Scullion, Paul Turner, J. Reid Maxwell, John Keogh,
and the World Champion Drum Corps of the Boghall and Bathgate
Caledonia Pipe Band.  It's okay, but I wonder if there's something better.
I'm amazed that these world class drummers can't play a smooth sustained
closed roll.

Comments?

Rob Reed

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: coop4y44@bnr.ca (Robb Keayes)
Subject: Evaluating drums and hardware
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:42:45 GMT

I've been playing off and on for about 5 years now, and while I am now
fairly proficient, I really don't have a good understanding of the drums
themselves. (ie: What to look for when buying/evaluating drums and hardware.)

What I would like to find is some sort of general survey of drums, hardware,
cymbals, etc.  Can anyone out there recommend a good book or magazine on this?

Robb
From: joe-kaplan@nwu.edu (Joe Kaplan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: Looking for a used Drum rack
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:42:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: aragorn1.joe-kaplan-131192122701
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.percussion
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <1992Nov13.165225.21737@b11.b11.ingr.com>,
doug@justdoit.ingr.com (Doug Harbord) wrote:
> 
> I am in the market for either a Pearl or Gibraltar drum rack. 
> Must have at least one side extension. I want to mount 4 toms,
> 4 cymbals and a remote hat. Anyone looking to get rid of their
> rack?
> 
> 
> --
> Doug Harbord 	Intergraph Corporation
> M.S. CR1102	Systems Product Marketing - Graphics Technology
> (205)730-6166	b11!justdoit!doug
> internet 	doug@justdoit.b11.ingr.com

I can't really tell you anything about used equipment for sale because I
have none (for sale that is), but you can probably get a Pearl DR 100 with
the 9 or so pc-10 clamps that i assume you will be needing for a little
over $300 new if you are willing to go the mail order route.  I got mine
about 6 months ago and really love it.  It is relatively light and very
easy to set up.  I get very consistent setups every time i play, even with
a somewhat complex kit.  The only problem I have had with the Pearl rack is
the following: The height of the horizontal bar makes it such that it can
be difficult to mount floor toms at the proper height.  If you have your
tom holder right side up, the drum is too high, and If you turn the tom
holder upside down, you get the opposite problem.  It took some piddling
around, but I finally got everything comfortable after a week or so.  Note:
this side effect was with my particular drum/hardware combination
(Yamaha/Yamaha) and my preferences in floor tom height.  Your mileage may
vary.  

My personal preference is definitely the Pearl though.  In my experience,
it is the only one that actually makes frequent setups/breakdowns simpler
than the multiple floor stand approach that I guess you are currently
using.  Also, it is by far the least expensive of the options out there. 
It also folds up nicely for easy transport (I usually take off one side
extention and carry the rack in two pieces).  If $300 it really too much to
spend on a new rack,then good luck in the used market.  But I think the
most logical choice is definitely the Pearl.  Other opinions invited...

Joe Kaplan
joe-kaplan@nwu.edu
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From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: A little help please...
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:47:01 GMT

In article <BxMn42.9w4@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v094lrtr@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (FENWYR) writes:
> This is a little embarassing, but here goes. I have been playing drums
> for about 11 years, 4 of which was playing set. I dont know how to tune
> my drum kit!!!

Drums & Drumming (before it got eaten by Modern Drummer) had a little
one-pager spot on this. A brief summary:

	Find the "resonant tone" of the drum. Easiest way to do this
	is remove the heads, hold the shell up with one finger on the
	inside of the shell, and thunk it with the thumb on your other
	hand.  Listen close. Try to match the pitch of the thunk with
	a pitch pipe. Make a note of the pitch on the inside of the
	shell in pencil.

	Tune the top head to this pitch or a major third above it.
	Tune the bottom head to this pitch or a major third below it.
	The article also recommended trying other variations, such as
	tuning heads to fifths above and below, sevenths, etc., until
	you get the desired sound or effect you want from your drum.

	In general, smaller width drums are easier to tune, that is a
	5x14 snare is easier to tune than an 8x14. Rototoms, being the
	absolute thinest, can be tuned by idiots.
-- 

   -paul	pmartz@dsd.es.com
		Evans & Sutherland
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: galbrait@spot.Colorado.EDU (GALBRAITH JOHN)
Subject: Temperature effects
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:43:13 GMT

Does anybody know what effects temperatures have on drum kits?
As in, what happens if you leave your drum set in a cold practice
space and only warm it up when you are there using it?  Do the
shells crack? do the cymbals splinter? Do you hydrolic heads
spurt goop onto the ceiling?
Just asking for a friend.  Our new practice space is unheated
for most of the time.  Please respond via email, as I probably
won't read this group very often. Thanks.
Organization: Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:07:29 -0500 
From: "Mary A. Mark" <mmbt+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Middle Eastern rhythms 

Kevin Stuart Liske writes:
>Does anyone know of where/who/how to locate Middle Eastern rhythms
>for hand drums?  I'm interested in learning how to play such rhythms
>and need either something simple or teaching type tapes.

I've been using a book called ""Doumbec Delight" by Mary Ellen Donald.
I've also got a couple of teaching tapes that she produces, but I find
them hard to listen too because the recording quality is quite poor,
and so don't use them much.  Her most recent mail order listed the following:

Mary Ellen Donald

c/o Mary Ellen Books
P.O. Box 7589
San Francisco, CA
94120-7589  
(ph. 415 826-drum)

Doumbec Delight (book)                 $16.00
2 Companion Tapes for DD                18.50
Arabic Tambourine (book)                26.00
Companion Tape 1 for AT                 10.75
Companion Tape 2 for AT                 10.75
Mastering Finger Cymbals (book)         13.00
Companion Tape for MFC                   9.25
Beginners Cymbals Tape                   9.75
2 Practice Music Tapes                  21.50

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From: joe-kaplan@nwu.edu (Joe Kaplan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
Subject: Re: ministry
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:34:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: elvex34.joe-kaplan-121192172215
Followup-To: rec.music.makers.percussion
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <BxM0p4.HF6@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v094lrtr@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu
(FENWYR) wrote:
> 
> maybe i am blind, but i cant find the name of the drummer on psalm 69.
> all i know is he is amazing, and when i saw him live at lalla, he was
> bordering on godlike. i am asuming he is one of the remaining drummers
> from the original line-up which used to feature 2, and am proud to say
> that he played thieves by himself. this song is enough to kill me, and
> he did 12-15 songs just like it in concert. if you ever want to see the
> mesiah of our profession, catch ministry live. (btw, the drummer from 
> soundgarden was pretty excellent too).
> 
> fenwyr

I agree, the man did play all of the Ministry material rather impressively.
 Howver, you should realize that a lot of electronic enhancement goes on
with ministry in the way of triggered samples and whatnot.  Not to take
away from the performance or anything, but it can be a bit difficult at
times to figure out what is actually being played and what is triggered (or
how it is triggered).  Their sound was very good at that show, and I
thought the whole band did a great job.

Speaking of "Thieves", I don't know if you have had a chance to see them do
it, but Primus has a tendency to play part of "Thieves" in their live show,
quite convincingly l might add.

The drummer for Soundgarden, Matt Cameron, is a very good player in his own
right.  He has been an inspiration to me for 3-4 years now.  Actually,
every drummer at that show played really well IMHO.  There are very few
bands that are making it these days with lousy drummers it seems.  (Here
comes the first flame war...).  I think it means that if any of us want to
successfully persue a career in the music business as drummers, now more
than ever we had all better practice really hard...

See ya,

Joe Kaplan
joe-kaplan@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs)
Subject: Re: double bass pedals
Reply-To: dchavez@tincup.enet.dec.com (Dale J. Chavez - Colo Spgs)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:13:34 GMT


In article <BxHJv5.6D7@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v104n55k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (David I Schwartz) writes:
|>Any recommendations on double bass pedals? I'm looking for something really
|>sturdy. I am would like the cost to be somewhere around $250 or less.
|>
I'm using the Yamaha double pedal and thus far it's working great.  I tried
as many as possible and though lots of drummers like the Drum Workshop
double pedal, I didn't think it was as smooth as the Yamaha.  The
top-of-the-line Pearl double pedal wasn't bad either (I considered this
because I have a Pearl kit).  The only think I need now is a bag to haul it
around in...it's a pain to break it down all the time.

Regards,
Dale

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Re: A little help please...
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:28:01 GMT

In article <BxMn42.9w4@acsu.buffalo.edu> v094lrtr@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (FENWYR) writes:
>
>This is a little embarassing, but here goes. I have been playing drums
>for about 11 years, 4 of which was playing set. I dont know how to tune
>my drum kit!!! I have a band now, and would like to sound good for the
>other guys, and for the audience eventually. I have a Tama swingstar
>set bought back in '88... basic type stuff. Could someone please direct
>me to some good books on tuning and upkeep. ANY advice here would be
>appreciated.
>
>thanks in advance
>fenwyr

 Tuning your drums is tough at first, especially if you are not used to tuning
them by youself.  You should use a tuning fork, or a pitch pipe, and start at
one note, and tune them to thirds.  You have to match the tension of each lug 
to the tone that you want to tune your set to.  This can be done by hitting
just in side the rim on the batter with a wood tipped stick.  Of course, each
beginning tuning pitch is going to differ by the sive of the drum in diameter,
the depth of the drum, and the type of music that you are playing with...
Carribean stuff, when you don't have octobans or timbales, is usually tuned
higher than rock, which is usually in a lower octave, etc...

Hope that this helps out.

Sean

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Organization: Xanth Watch
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:48:46 GMT

dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:

>Not entirely correct. The point has been made that the CFV was not entirely
>clear. 

From the CFV:

Proposal E: Rename rec.music.synth to rec.music.makers.synth
Charter: "Synthesizers and computer music"  [UNCHANGED FROM CURRENT]


How much clearer can it get? Flasing neonlights perhaps?
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen        |  I survived the rec.arts.sf-lovers split
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk   | 
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.makers.guitar
From: kew@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (steve.w.askew)
Subject: Re: 10" vs 12" speakers
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Summary: 12" vs 10"
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:17:39 GMT


	I have compared 10's to 12's with a couple of amps. I played with
	a 4X10 Marshall cabinet, very good sound. I used 2 JBL 12 " G series
	Extremely LOUD! Extremely Heavy! I used 12" EV's in a open back, 12
	fender in a closed back, 12 JBL's in a closed back and open back 
	Reverb, 4X10 Bassman, 4X10 Peavey Classic 50.

	Now you have to remember this is all subjective. I dont own a
	spectrum analyzer, just ears. 


	I like cheap 10" speakers. They seem to have better tone in general.
	They also seem to be able to cut thru and have better attack when
	played aggresively. I also prefer open back to closed, let em breath.
	also a single driver doesnt make it, especialy a single 10". If I
	have to use a single speaker I'll use a 15". Two speakers always
	sound better than one, not louder just fuller,fatter, more pronounced,
	better definition, what ever. I also find that 4X10's acoustically 
	couple very well. Application also has a lot to do it. I have to move 
	my Stuff alot! At 3am Im in no mood to pick up a 4X12 cabinet. 4X12 is 
	also way to big for most clubs.A good speaker has to be able to produce
	a very good clean sound and when pushed compliment the amps distortion
	10"s seem to be easier for me to control.

	My $.02

	Steve
	Doin That Blues ThAng!
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:09:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: bradley.1992Nov5.170920.25854
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

I guess people haven't heard of the idea of aliasing newsgroups.

What *I* will probably do as news admin at our site is create
the new group and alias the old one to point to the new one.
Wow.  That sure sounds difficult and problematic, doesn't it?
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
       I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and
                       democracy - but that could change
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