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From: dnwhiteh@eos.ncsu.edu (DUANE N WHITEHURST)
Subject: HELP? CRAZY OPTION KEY STUCK
Originator: dnwhiteh@c00482-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: dnwhiteh@eos.ncsu.edu (DUANE N WHITEHURST)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:31:29 GMT


hi

okay let me describe my system
Mac II w/8meg Ram

Sys 7.0 w/tune up 1.1.1

the inits:
Disk_Doubler
Color Switch (very cool)
Extensions Manager 1.7
Speedy Finder 1.5.4
Norton Utils 2.0 File Menu front-end thingy (no I don't know the name)
Disinfectant 2.9
Cursor Animator

and now, the host of the show, the PROBLEM

after some random amount of time my computer convinces itself that
I'm holding down the OPTION KEY...every keyborad input is read
as if the option key has been taped down...nothing seems to make
this go away except for restarting the machine....and it
doesn't seem to be triggered by any keyboard command...
  Why I think that: it happened last night as I was downloading
  a file from the school computer....the transfer happended just
  fine but once I was returned to the terminal the OPTION MAGIC
  had happened and the keyboard was working fine when I started
  the transfer.


This is becoming very annoying and I'm open to any suggestions
as to why it's happening and how I can fix it....

Thanks for any help you can give..

				-_- duane

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From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Why is my virtual memory broken?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:18:03 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell) writes:

> Ethan J Benatan (ejbst4+@pitt.edu) wrote:

> : I recently had the hard drive on my PowerBook 170 replaced under
> : warranty.  I did a full restore from backup except for the System,
> : Finder, Extensions and Control Panels which I reinstalled from scratch
> : or copied from the IIfx which has had no problems.  Everything seems
> : to work just dandy except that the Memory Control Panel includes no 
> : Virtual Memory option! 

> To be able to run virtual memory, you need the latest disk driver software
> installed on your disk. Perhaps your new hard drive had the old version.
> Try to update the driver using the Tools disk (I don't know the name of the
> application in english, it's the same that's used to format hard disks).
> Just start the program, choose disk, click Update (this won't damage any
> data on the disk) and try virtual memory again.

But I believe if that were the case, the virtual memory option would
not disappear from the memory control panel. It would still be there
but if you tried to enable VM you would get a message like "your disk
needs to be updated in order to run virtual memory".

-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 13 Oct 1992 19:52:34 CDT
From: <U53606@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 6.0.8L - fact or fiction?
 <ldm1d6INNl40@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>

I've done the same thing. I installed 6.0.8 and it worked fine. But I still sug
gest system 7.x. Much better!!

                              -paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: AVERNON1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Andrew Vernon)
Subject: Re: System 6.0.8 wanted (problems with ftp.apple.com)
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:57:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.123411.12270@dragon.acadiau.ca>
870120g@dragon.acadiau.ca (Michael I. Gerrits) writes:
 
>Anyway, I de-binhexed the file and tried to de-SIT! the file but it was
>way over 800K (compared to 700 and some that fits on an 800K floppy). Not
>only that, it was stored in some other wierd format (image) which is probably
>meant for a hard drive, or something.
 
These are DiskCopy image files, and a HD might come in handy for this.
You need to get DiskCopy 4.2 from ftp.apple.com to open the files and
make a set of install disks from them.
 
>Could someone please stuff and binhex the 6.0.8 files (Utilities 1 and 2,
>Printer Utilities, and System Untities) so that I can store de-binhexed
>and un-stuffed files on 800K disks?
 
System 6.0.8 is identical to 6.0.7 except that the Printing utils disk
includes the System 7.0 print drivers. If you have 6.0.7, then you
can add LW 7.1.1 SW 7.2, and the 7.0 Imagewriter drivers to get the
equivalent of 6.0.8
 
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                       Anything is possible...
                      And we're gonna prove it!
   Internet: AVERNON1@UA1VM.UA.EDU DGIF#9691 BITNET: AVERNON1@UA1VM
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:39:49 EDT
From: <CHARLESW@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Lets Just Steal 7.1!
 <casseres-061092093552@missmolly.apple.com>

Two points on this:

1)  I think Bryan Villados made a good point earlier: the fastest micro is
    the one that lets you get your work done fastest, not the one that can
    do the most NOPs in a second.

2)  An upgrade cost for 7.1 will be much more expensive for large (or largish)
    organizations that have to process the paperwork (150 purchase orders,
    notifying everyone in advance, additional support costs because not every-
    one is running the same version of the system, keeping track of who has a
    legal copy of System 7.1, etc. etc.).  Now, at some point there will be a
    site license agreement available--for what size shops & what cost & will
    50 schools count as one site or 50 sites remain to be seen, but I believe
    that it won't be available Oct 19, and Oct 20 will be the day that *some*
    machines start arriving in the organization *requiring* 7.1.  So that
    "nominal" cost is still going to expand to something substantial.  None
    of this, however, is any defense for stealing software.  Apple spends
    something like 3/4 of a billion dollars on R&D in year I think (not all of
    it on System 7.1 obviously), and they have to fund it somehow.  If they
    cut margins on the boxes, they have to get it somehow.  How else would
    you recommend?

.../dave   Dave Charlesworth
From: urritche@mcs.drexel.edu (Ralph Paul Ritchey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: How to not allow copying of files?
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:43:01 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

Netters:
	I'm posting this request for another person.  They need to know how
(either through inexpensive, PD, SW, or other things), how to lock a
particular drive or file so that it can't be copied.  They have an application
that they use to teach a class, and they don't want people to copy it for
themselves.  Any info is appreciated.

Ralph Ritchey
urritche@mcs.drexel.edu
        @king.mcs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: seaney@engr.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: Mac IIfx won't recognize 12 Meg Memory
Organization: Univ of Wisconsin Madison
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:44:10 CDT

In article <mike_steiner-141092121708@192.35.50.131> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com
(Mike Steiner) writes:
>In article <M9RRBSF4@cc.swarthmore.edu>, kohn@cs.swarthmore.edu (Daniel
>Kohn) wrote:
>
>> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
gs.
>
>This much I know--however, you can't have 256K SIMMs in a IIfx.
>
>> 	Seaney would have 4 1-meg SIMMs in one bank and 4 2-meg SIMMs in
>> another.
>


Okay -- I can't open the IIfx up at the moment.  (It's a long story). 

The mystery is a little bit stranger not, though.  I enabled 32-bit addressing
thanks to the man notes from the net.  When I rebooted the finder informed me I
had 8 meg of RAM.  

Any ideas what's inside of this thing?

Thanks,
Steve
From: a62420a@ccsparc01.center.osaka-u.ac.jp (ruggieri)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: WANTED: Macintosh dealer's address
Keywords: address
Date: 8 Oct 92 08:10:11 GMT
Organization: Computation Center, Osaka University

I am thinking of ordering a Macintosh (powerbook 170 or
IIci - I haven't decided yet) from Japan and I would
like to have some fax numbers of good Macintosh dealers that
can send the stuff abroad. If somebody can help me, please
email to the address below.

Thanks a lot,

Claudio Ruggieri
a62420a@center.osaka-u.ac.jp
From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: need a SAM manual
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:31:36 GMT
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: As little as possible

In comp.sys.mac.system s3007904@MACKAY.MPCE.MQ.EDU.AU wrote:

>	I am having problems trying to figure out how to work SAM 
>the mac virus detecter. I am looking for a manual or some documentation
>so I can figure out how to use I properly. Can some one Tell me were I 
>can email for the proper documentation. I can't seem to find my 
>documentation.

Sure...  Call (US phone number) 603-446-7711 (MacConnection) and tell
them you need the manual for SAM.  Give them a credit card number, and
they will send it to you.

	-=Alan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)
Subject: Re: Sick Quadra ?
Organization: Netcom San Jose
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:01:09 GMT

Michael_C._Llaneza@bmug.org writes ...
>	I recently benchmarked my Quadra 700 (4/80) using speedometer 3.06.
>The results I got indicate that an SE/30 would be faster on the CPU
>tests(2.36).
>Since speedometer does not come with a stock Q700 test result I was wondering
>if anyone can tell from this  if I need to take the machine in for some
>warranty work.

Copy the "Cache Switch" cdev from the system 7 disks (On the tools
disk?) into your control panels folder.  Open it and turn on the
Faster option.  I get 14.26 from speedometer on the cpu test.

In general, broken computers don't work.  They don't run slower.

-- 
Ray Fischer                   "To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady
ray@netcom.com                 of the ignorant."  -- A. B. Alcott
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: kohn@cs.swarthmore.edu (Daniel Kohn)
Subject: Re: Mac IIfx won't recognize 12 Meg Memory
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:47:42 GMT

	I wanted to clear two things up.

In article <1992Oct11.153551.16725@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, seaney@engr.wisc.edu
wrote:

SE>We have a IIfx with systems 7.0.1 and 12 Meg of memory.  The Finder
SE>indicates that there is 12 Meg of memory installed, but it tells us that the
SE>'largest unused block' is 4 meg less then what it should be.  Is there some
SE>trick to get it to recognize the last 4 Meg.

In article <aumantb-131092120404@eclipse.msfc.nasa.gov>,
aumantb@eclipse.msfc.nasa.gov (Tim Aumann) wrote:

TA> Another possibility, besides not having 32 bit mode turned on, is that you
				 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TA> put the larger simms in the wrong memory bank. The IIfx has two memory
TA> banks - when you add simms greater than 1 meg, the new simms must go in
TA> bank A, the one closest to the front of the computer. The 1 meg simms
TA> should be in bank B. Also, all of the simms in a bank must be the same size
TA> - all 1 meg or 4 meg, etc.

	Just wanted to point out that the underlined bit is by far the most
likely reason that only 8 megs of RAM could be used.  32 bit addressing
(which can be turned on in the Memory Control Panel) allows the computer to
access greater than 8 megs.  The fact that Seaney's Finder does see the
extra 4 megs, but does not allow him to access them, makes me almost sure
that this is the problem.  BTW, this is a FAQ.

mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:

MS>I believe that in the IIci and later (which includes the IIfx, obviously),
MS>it doesn't matter which bank gets the larger-capacity SIMMs.  You're right
MS>in that all the SIMMs in a bank must be the same capacity.  I'm still
MS>wondering how he got 12 megs into a IIfx, though. 

	Mike, the two banks can have different kinds of SIMMs as long as
the four SIMMs in each bank are the same.  For example, you can have 4 256K
SIMMs in one bank and 4 16-meg SIMMs in another for a total of 65 megs.

	Seaney would have 4 1-meg SIMMs in one bank and 4 2-meg SIMMs in
another.
-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
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kohn@cs.swarthmore.edu      firefighters who are        500 College Avenue
AppleLink: ST0559	      always bandaged."       Swarthmore, PA 19081
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: david_b._hauer@bmug.org
Organization: BMUG, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:31:24 PDT
Subject: Re: Mac IIfx won't recognize 12 Meg Memory

Unless you have 32-bit addressing turned on (in the memory control panel), the
system cannot actually utilize more than 8 megs of RAM. If this is your
problem, when you look at "about this Macintosh" you will see that the system
itself has gobbled up the extra RAM.

Be aware that not all apps are 32-bit clean, and may cause crashes with 32-bit addressing turned on.
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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: pay for System 7.1
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:06:48 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) writes:
>-> A less controversial point, but one that bothers me nonetheless 
>-> is this: will S ystem 7.1 be released on high-density disks 
>-> only? 

>It's obvious to me that 7.1 will be available on 800K diskettes, as 7.1 was
>designed to run on the Plus, Mac II, and older SEs.

I have, sitting on my desktop as we speak, disk images in both HD and 800K
format for 7.1.

-- 
Chuq "IMHO" Von Rospach, ESD Support & Training (DAL/AUX) =+= Member, SFWA
  chuq@apple.com | GEnie: MAC.BIGOT | ALink:CHUQ =+= Editor, OtherRealms
From: struchy@plains.NoDak.edu (John Struchynski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: What is the Move/Rename File ?
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:41:35 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


I have a Quadra 700 8/80 running sys 7.01 tuneup.
The following situation occurs with any application I am running.
When I do an open from within an application(ie MacWrite)
a file always appears in the open dialog box's listing of files
call "   Move/Rename".  The first 3 characters are just some
sort of undefined/unprintable characters(they resemble a square).

This situation has occurred on other sys 7 machines(quadras and pwbooks
145's) in our office.  The file does not show up on the finder
and is not there when you first install the os and the tuneup.

Any Ideas?

John Struchynski
struchy@plains.nodak.edu
From: wsanders@ffeine (Wiley Sanders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Question - How to automatically empty Trash?
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:17:51 GMT
Reply-To: wsanders@ffeine (Wiley Sanders)
Distribution: usa
Organization: S.M.C.C. C.M.D. P.E.S. Support Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: ffeine.corp.sun.com

System 7's most annoying feature to me is having to manually
"take out the trash." Is there a way to subvert this feature   
and make the system revert to its Pre-7 behavior?

Email to "wsanders@ffeine.corp.sun.com" and I will summarize
and repost.

Thanks,
-wiley
--
"True love is learning to love your lover's obsessions,
or at least being able to say '...oh...that's nice...'"
                                                        -Greg Brown
From: dross@cambizola.cs.wisc.edu (Dan Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 6.0.8L?
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:58:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

In <5665@naucse.cse.nau.edu> rrw@elden.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier) writes:
>Hi. I have a colleague here who recent read the column in 
>MacWeek (10.05.92) which mentions System 6.0.8L which will
>run on the PowerBook 100 and the Classic II and LCII.

Someone in Canada who posted about it sent me the following when I asked:
>Nobody ordered it, it just arrived in a Shipment from Apple (our
>guy that does the purchasing was perplexed and asked me "what the
>hell is that?  I never ordered this!").
>
>It just came in a cardboard backplane with two 1.44meg disks.  No
>documentation provided.

From what's been on the net:  6.0.8L doesn't exist inside the US.  It only
exists for non-US Macs.  Apple won't admit to its existence; it's just
a hacked 6.0.8 which tells the ROMs "I'm system 7" when for example a
Classic II boots so that it will allow the machine to boot (normal
system 6 will be detected, and the boot aborted).

I've yet to see 6.0.8L.  Seems like a big, illegal, black-market business could
be built on redistributing it, given the secrecy and restrictions!  (Now don't
anyone get any ideas!)

Dan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: peipyy@robots (PETER YASUDA)
Subject: Zapping PRAM?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center - Robotics Lab
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:45:00 GMT

What's PRAM and how and why do you zap it?

pyy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Oliver Schoett <schoett@informatik.tu-muenchen.de>
Subject: Need info on bug: Stylewriter driver announces it as 72dpi
Organization: Inst. fuer Informatik, Technische Univ. Muenchen, Germany
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:04:36 GMT

I remember reading that there is a bug in one of the Sys 7 Stylewriter
drivers to the effect that the printer is announced to applications as
having only 72 dpi.  Is there a fix for it?  I think the bug affects
the TeX DVI -> Stylewriter converter dvim72mac Version 1.9.2.

(I am running 6.0.7 (German) on an LC with Stylewriter driver 7.2.2
and associated new backgrounder, and in memory-saving mode dvim72mac
produces rules that look more like 72 dpi than 360 dpi.  It also
announces the printer as 72 dpi.)


Oliver Schoett     Inst. f. Informatik (H2), Technische Univ. M"unchen
                   Postfach 20 24 20,     8000 M"unchen 2,     Germany
schoett@informatik.tu-muenchen.de    phone +49 89 2105-2399  fax -8207
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: marvin@netcom.com (Marvin Carlberg)
Subject: Re: Unix on my Mac?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:50:49 GMT

winney@DAL.MOBIL.COM (Randy Winney) writes:
> In article <1992Oct8.213725.5020@pellns.alleg.edu>, smytonj@murr10.alleg.edu (James Smyton) writes:
> |> 	I go to Allegheny College and we have an incrediblesetup of NeXT  
> |> computers.  The problem is that I own a Mac IIcx and the only Mac the  
> |> college has available for student use is a Classic with system 6.0.7 and  
> |> MacWrite 5. The NeXT is a Unix machine and has a current version of Word  
> |> Perfect.  I would like to be able to run Unix on my machine for some  
> |> limited cross platform use.  I heard that A/UX is not compatible with  
> |> System 7.  What should I use that won't require me to switch systems  
> |> completely?  I have to admit I like my 7.0.1 and would be upset if I had  
> |> to revert to system 6.x. Any suggestions?
> |> 
>  
> I would certainly consider running MachTen, which is 4.3 BSD on top
> of a Mach kernel. I have not tried it, but it sure sounds nice. You
> can get all the details from info@tenon.com.
> 
> -- 
> Randy Winney       winney@dal.mobil.com
> Mobil Exploration & Producing Technology Center
> Dallas, Texas
 
There is also MacMach which is reportedly a lot cheaper than MachTen (-$100
rather than -$1000) but I don't have any information on how to get it.
Does anyone have any contact information for this?
 
Thanks,
  marvin@netcom.com
From: wsanders@ffeine.Sun.COM (Wiley Sanders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 6.0.8L - fact or fiction?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 17:21:42 GMT
Organization: Tradeshow Tech Support
NNTP-Posting-Host: ffeine.corp.sun.com

My understanding was that 6.0.8 was supposed to run on the 
PB 100 but not the 140 or 170. I installed it and ran it for
about two hours on my PB 100 and it worked, for whatever that's
worth. 

Many of the useful 7.0.1 extensions were missing, though.

-wiley
--
"True love is learning to love your lover's obsessions,
or at least being able to say '...oh...that's nice...'"
                                                        -Greg Brown
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Mac IIfx won't recognize 12 Meg Memory
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:41:50 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system

In article <mike_steiner-121092125916@192.35.50.131>,
mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) wrote:

> 4 megs (four 1-meg SIMMs)
> 8 megs (eight 1-meg SIMMs)
> 16 megs (four 4-meg SIMMs)
> 17 megs (four 4-meg SIMMs and four 1-meg SIMMs)

That should be 20 megs; not 17.

> 32 megs (eight 4-meg SIMMs)
> plus various combinations using 16-meg SIMMs.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Subject: Re: Mac IIfx won't recognize 12 Meg Memory
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:25:59 GMT

[ ... many theories ... ]

The Mac IIfx doesn't recognize 12 meg memory because it doesn't
recognize 2 meg SIMMs.  It will accept any combination of 1 and
4 meg SIMMs.
-- 
-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949
From: winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: How is the bootable disk determined.
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:35:50 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.misc
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Oct12.155357.19431@bernina.ethz.ch>, wuertz@tik.ethz.ch
(Andreas Wuertz) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Oct9.173417.2058@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Steven D.
> Majewski, sdm7g@aemsun.med.Virginia.EDU writes:
> >[ My 2nd guess is that it boots the highest scsi ID with a system 
> >  folder? Or is there (invisible) boot code installed on the disk? ]
> 
> It boots off any disk that's bootable. And yes, a disk is marked bootable
> in its boot blocks. If you want a particular disk to be booted off, make
> it the startup disk using the Startup Disk control panel. The Mac waits
> quite a long time for the so selected startup disk to get ready. But it
> doesn't wait forever, so after a few seconds it goes on searching
> starting with the LOWEST scsi address (as far as I know).
> 
> Andy (wuertz@tik.ethz.ch)
> 
> ========================================================================
> The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
> ========================================================================

Here is the correct order of devices checked during the startup sequence:

1. Floppy drive 0 (internal or right side of Macintosh II).
2. Floppy drive 1 (external or left side of Macintosh).
3. Floppy drive 2 (Macintosh SE with third floppy drive).
4. Startup device selected via the Startup Device cdev (this may include
SCSI 
   or NuBus startup devices).
5. SCSI devices beginning with ID 6 and ending with ID 0.
6. NuBus startup devices.

Both the Inside Macintosh V and the Macintosh Family Hardware Reference
manuals  state that the internal SCSI device is checked before any other
SCSI device, regardless of SCSI ID.  This is NOT True!  Unless the internal
SCSI device is selected as the startup device via the Startup Device cdev
it has no special priority during the startup process. 

Scott Winders
winders@aux.support.apple.com

"My opinions are my own, not my employer's"