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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:54:25 CST
Reply-To:     Bill Green <green@plains.nodak.edu>
From:         Brad Green <green@PLAINS.NODAK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: FirstSearch
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.Edu
              "dkortenk@UWSPMAIL.UWSP.EDU" at Dec 17, 92 11:00 am

Good Grief, Charlie Brown.  You've got to be careful how you phrase a
request.  The request for the subject "Quakers" came up with 4447 titles.
Fortunately, you can narrow it down from there.  Quite a database!

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|               Brown  MA/KS  1579-         Mason NY/IA  1800-         |
|               Lamb   NC/KS  1851-         Maxwell  NY  1800-         |
|               Wilson IN/IL  1871-         Hediger -  Swiss           |
| Anhorn - Kotchian - Kohoutek - Havlena - Marschall (E. Europe)       |
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From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
Subject: Re: wow! (Re: FirstSearch)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:38:21 GMT

The availability of some books is limited due to library
policy.  Most libraries will not let rare or reference books
circulate.  You have to remember that a given library's
responsibility is first to their direct constituents, and
then to the rest of the community/state/world in lesser
degrees.  You could ask for a photocopy of relevant pages,
or get an acquaintance in that area to photocopy those
pages for you.
--
Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)
"The true University of these days is a Collection of Books." 
                                           --Carlyle                        
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:21:47 -0800
Reply-To:     Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
From:         Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Has anyone seen this book?
Comments: To: Tom Lincoln <lincoln@iris.rand.org>
Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list ROOTS-L <ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu>

On Wed, 9 Dec 1992, Tom Lincoln wrote:

> The History of our Cradle Land
> T. H. Kinsella, L.L.D
> ? publisher 1921
>
> About the early history of Kansas...
>
> Tom Lincoln

Although I have not seen the book I found the following full citation in
the National Union Catalog -- Pre 1965 Imprints, v. 297, p. 171:

Kinsella, Thomas H.
        A centenary of Catolocity in Kansas, 1822-1922; the history of
our cradle land (Miami and Linn Counties) Catholic Indian missions and
missionaries of Kansas, the pioneers on the prairies; notes on St. Mary's
Mission, Sugar Creek ... [etc.] to which is added a short sketch of the
Ursuline Academy at Paola, the diary of Father Hoecken and old Indian
records, written and compiled by Reverend Thomas H. Kinsella.  Kansas
City, Casey Printing Co., 1921  251 pages.

At the time that the NUC was compiled the following libraries held this
title:

University of Missouri at Columbia
St. Benedicts College, Atchison, Kansas
University of Missouri at Kansas City
University of Texas at Austin
State Historical Society of Wisconsin at Madison

Frieda Davison
San Francisco State University Library
From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: COOPER/ SC
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:27:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Dec16.162749.10417
Organization: University of Virginia

Hi!  I am (and have been) searching for info. on
the COOPER family in Orangeburg or Aiken Counties ins
SC.  (When Sherman came through, he burned the courthouse,
which makes it difficult to find any info.!)  I'm also
interested in the CAMPBELL family from Abingdon, VA.

Thanks ever so!
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Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)
"The true University of these days is a Collection of Books." 
                                           --Carlyle                        
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Date:         Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:50:20 EST
Reply-To:     "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
From:         "J.P. Letellier" <jp@WIZARD.NRL.NAVY.MIL>
Subject:      State Guides
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.nodak.edu

There used to be a set of guides to location of offices in the
various counties and states at "rainbow".  They appear to gone
away.  Can anyone tell me where they have gone?  I am looking for
addresses for vital statistics from counties in North Carolina.
Thanks, jp
From: JWD@PSUVM.BITNET
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Subject: Orphan Trains
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:20:00 GMT
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A posting earlier today mentioned the orphan trains.  Greeley County
NE apparently was a stop for one of these trains.  I believe I have
an adopted cousin, and maybe two, who arrived vis orphan train.  Does
anyone know more about them?

Jim Dunn
BITNET: JWD at PSUVM
INTERNET:JWD@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Researching DUNN, PARKER, MCNELIS, BYRNE, BURNS, WALSH, CAVANAUGH
      LAVIN, CARNEY, PETTIGROVE, HORINE, PELHAM, MEARS, FRESHNEY,
      CANNON, DONOVAN, MONARCH, MEEHAN, DUNLEAVY, AND CARR.
also  LAME, PERKINS, COMSTOCK, FISKE, ADAMS, ROBINSON, PENROSE,
      and MASSEY but less actively.
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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:47:07 -0500
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From:         "Harry D. Liggett" <ac853@MEDINA.FREENET.EDU>
Subject:      LANCASTER, PA, ON DISK
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Date:   Tue Dec 15 1992  18:38:34
From:   Harry Liggett
To:     All
Subj:   LANCASTER, PA, DISK
Attr:
GENEALOGY        Echo          -------------------------------

    Culled from a York County, PA, newsletter:
    The Lancaster (PA) Historical Society has put its ``Manuscript Collection
Guide" on disk.  It contains ``descriptions of manuscript groups & individual
documents within each group; thousands of surnames from 1729 to the present;
searches can be based on individual name, locality, & subject; more than 85K of
information."  The disk is formatted for DOS WordPerfect 5.1 and costs $15
including postage. Indicate the disk size (3 1/2 or 5 1/4) in your order to
Lancaster County Historical Society, 230 N. President Ave., Lancaster, PA
17603.
    I wish more societies sold their data collections on disk
--- msgedsq 2.0.5
 * Origin: Harry's own Point in Akron OH (1:157/100.13)


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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:30:20 -0400
Reply-To:     "Jennifer R. Amon (216) 775-6987" <BAMON@OCVAXC.CC.OBERLIN.EDU>
From:         "Jennifer R. Amon (216) 775-6987" <BAMON@OCVAXC.CC.OBERLIN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: S&H Green Stamps
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

>From:  IN%"HARROLD%INDYCMS.BITNET@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU"  "Dick Harold"
 17-DEC-1992 09:21:06.78
>
>It is strange how quickly times change.  I remember when S&H Green Stamp and
>TV (Top Value) stamps were big business.  It seemed everybody saved them.
>I once worked for a sign company.  We received a big contract to put up
>TV stamp signs at gas stations all over Indiana.  At the time it cost
>about $10,000 for each sign - big money for the day.  This is when I
>first realized just how big the savings stamp business was.
>
> [stuff deleted for brevity]
>
>Sorry to get off the genealogy line, but you know how old people ramble...

OLD people?  I can remember spending HOURS and HOURS licking and sticking
those stamps in the books, and then going through the catalogs to see what
we could get with the 12 full books we had (or whatever).

I'm only 35, Dick. Please don't age me too much before it's time. :-)

Now for the Obligatory Genealogy:

Can anyone recommend a really good map of Western PA for the 1790-1810
time period?

Thanks,

  Jennifer R. Amon
  Amherst, Ohio      bamon@ocvaxc.cc.oberlin.edu

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RESEARCHING:
  AMON     (PA/Switz?)  DODD        (PA)           BROWN   (NJ)
  FARVER   (PA)         FREEMAN     (England)      INSLEY  (NJ)
  HEASLEY  (PA)         HAYES       (DE)           RIGGS   (NJ)
  FOULK    (PA)         HONEY       (DE)           ROY     (NJ)
  BUCHANAN (PA, Scot.)  CAPLAN      (Balto.,Lith.) REIMER  (NJ)
  STRIGHT  (PA)         FRIEDLANDER (Lith.)        STEVENS (CT)
  RUSSELL  (PA)         CARROLL     (PA)           BOVARD
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From: JD85116@UAFSYSA.BITNET (JoAnn Diercouff)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: orphan train
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:58:14 GMT
Reply-To: JoAnn Diercouff <JD85116@UAFSYSA.BITNET>
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Even though I live in Springdale, Arkansas, I have had a hard time
getting in touch with the Orphan Train folks.  Their address is
Orphan Train Herritage Society of America; 4453 South 48; Springdale,
AR 72762.  Phone # 501-756-2780.
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From: kattke@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (g.w.kattke)
Subject: PAF tricks
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:21:16 GMT
Keywords: repeating (whatever)

Ed Mertes recently sent me an email note stimulated by 
the thread on repeating locality names. I think I will
find his suggestions helpful and so will post it here
for the benefit of all.

Jerry Kattke
kattke@ihlpl.att.com

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Date:     Mon, 7 Dec 92 10:50:01 CST
From:     Ed Mertes <mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
To:       kattke%ihlpl.att.com@VM1.NODAK.EDU
cc:       mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:  Re:  PAF question: repeating locality names
Status: R

Jerry,
Each word (name, location, etc) is assigned a number by PAF when you enter
it for the first time.  When you type in any field what you enter is checked
against the table of known words.  If not found you get the error message
asking you to type it again, when you retype it PAF adds the word to its
table and assigns a number.  

If you know the number for a field you can just type in the number and
hit CNTL-N and the name for that number will be substituted.  How usefull
this is depends on the length of the word and how many numbers you can   
remember.  You can probably type Kattke quicker than remembering 178 and
CNTL-N, but if you have a lot of entries for Ste. Genevieve Co. you 
would find 3452 CNTL-N a lot easier and faster not to mention spelling
problems.

If you want to know the code for an existing name just hit CNTL-N while
the cursor is on the field and the number will be displayed.  Hit CNTL-N
again to go back to the real name.  When I am adding a lot of records I
usually make up a little "cheat sheet" with the most used codes.

I don't remember where I learned about the CNTL-N key.  If you hit ALT-H
TWICE you will get a list of the various PAF codes.  I can't comment on
the documentation since I didn't purchase it when I upgraded from 2.1
to 2.2.  I am currently using the "Bug Fix" Aug 1991 version which has
some features not included in the original 1989 version.

I don't know if this cleared things up or added to the confusion but if
you have more questions and want to try again just E-mail me again and
I will try to confuse you again.


Ed



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Researching: MERTES DREILING RAWE STUMP/STUMPS/STUMPF JACCOD GIRARD GRAF
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Reply-To:     Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
From:         Frieda Davison <fdavison@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Ill from Sutro Library
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

Spoke with one of the librarians at Sutro Library this morning about
ILL and am still not sure that I know very much.  They don't seem to be
very forthcoming about what they will and will not loan.

However, here is what I found out:

* They do NOT interlibrary loan "rare" books -- he says this is typically
anything prior to about 1925.

* They do NOT interlibrary loan their census film to out of state requestors.

* Any out of state request that comes in is looked at with the attitude of
could the person get it closer home.  If they "feel" yes, then they do not
loan it.

Although Sutro belongs to OCLC all cataloging is performed by the California
State Library in Sacramento.  I was never able to ascertain whether Sutro
even has an OCLC terminal or if they participate in the OCLC ILL module.

I will do some more checking and see what I can find and will post later
to the net.

Frieda Davison
San Francisco State University Library
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 10:38:00 LCL
Reply-To:     M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK
From:         MFITZGIB <M.Fitzgibbons@SHEFFIELD-HALLAM.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: A FirstSearch trial....
Comments: To: roots-l <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.edu>

Hi all,
             I tried to telnet into 134.174.100.2
            just to test the firstSearch system
            no joy, we timed out after 5 mins!
            maybe the test period was quite
            short!

Xmas greetings to all root'ers... best wishes for the new year.
         Mick

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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:10:22 EST
Reply-To:     FORPPM@GSUVM1.BITNET
From:         FORPPM@GSUVM1.BITNET
Subject:      George C. MARSHALL Family

 I just found another generation in my own family name.  A long lost
 cousin, Robert Marshall from Texas, just wrote my father - also Robert
 Marshall but from Georgia and gave us a new name and generation!!!!!!!

 George C. MARSHALL and ? must have been born circa 1820.  His daughter
 Mary Minerva Marshall had three sons and no daughters during the war
 years in the mountains of western North Carolina.  Rufus or Rufe, John
 and William or Billy.  Rufe and John stayed in the East and Billy moved
 to Texas.  John-my ggrandfather was born in Murphy, NC in 1861 and died
 in Young Harris, GA in 1957.  His mother Mary Minerva was born in 1841
 and died in 1927 and is bured with Billy in Andrews, NC.

 John m. Louise Newman of Marble, NC and had three sons Earl, Frank and
 Ernie who is still living at the cheerful age of 97!

 Does anyone reseraching the MARSHALL Family have anything on George C.
 Marshall or his wife and ancestry?

 Paul M. Marshall
 Researching
 Right 1797 now Buncombe, Co, NC> Towns Co,GA
 Reed 1797   "             "
 Plemmons 1809 1854      "
 Creasman 1800 now       "
 Stroup 1780 now Holland>Buncombe Co, NC>Towns Co,GA
 Dayton 1860 now Sweetwater, TN>Towns Co,GA
 Eller 1803, NC
 Moreland 1880 Rabun Co, GA
 Newman 1861 Cherokee, Co, NC
 Cowart 1878     "
 Hamilton 1878    "
 Huskin 1861      "
 Frankum 1861 Rabun Co, GA
 Hedden 1783 Wales>NC>GA
 Chastain 1660 Le Dauphne, France>ENG>VA>SC>GA

 We wish all fellow Root subscribers the very best Christmas season.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 13:38:21 CST
Reply-To:     THE GAR <GLWARNER@SAMFORD.BITNET>
From:         THE GAR <GLWARNER@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Computerized Library Searching

Just a tip for those who are doing computerized library searching...
I have found it very helpful to NOT use the title search (F TW on
melvyl), but rather to search on Subject by NAME & FAMILY.  So
instead of searching like this:

F TW CROSS

search like this:

F SU CROSS & FAMILY

(syntax for Melvyl system, your system may vary.)

If the book has enough information to be considered genealogically
significant for a family, one of the subjects entered should be
"Cross Family" and you will get a hit.  By using this technique
last night I found as an example _Butlers and Kinfolk_ which
according to the Subject heading is about the Butler Family and
Cross Family, but I never would have known that searching by title.

Another advantage to this technique is that it avoids all the books
on Cross-Cultural Experience, the Cross of Christ, Cross-Pollenation
and all the hundreds of other books that show up if you search for
books with Cross in the title.  Title searches are occasionally useful,
but subject searches are definitely better where they are available.
(which I understand they are NOT on the Library of Congress network
searches).


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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:32:00 MST
Reply-To:     MCBRAYER@SMC.BITNET
From:         MCBRAYER@SMC.BITNET
Subject: wow! (Re: FirstSearch)

>        OCLC's WorldCat FirstSearch is available to the public for a trial
>period (I don't know how long).  You must be able to telnet.  The address is:
>etc....

     I don't have a firstborn son to offer (not that I know of, anyhow), but
have hundreds of cousins to offer to ANYONE who can tell me how to get the
books I found on FirstSearch into my hot little hands!!!

     I'm just getting started in genealogy and am not "in the know" about
interlibrary loan, etc.  Heck, it's been YEARS since I've had to do research.
But, I found zillions (give or take a few) of sources to check on FirstSearch.
Of course, as luck would have it, 99.999999999999% of them are in the Eastern
half of the United States (I'm in Arizona).

     The two books I currently am working with (on microfilm) were also to be
found on FirstSearch (again, more than a thousand miles away from my hot little
hands).  I found genealogies of other families who have rubbed branches with my
family, I found what appears to be other LINES of my family, and so forth.  So
please, please, please, PRETTY PLEASE with sugar on top, can someone help me??!
(my query, with the excited rambling removed, is for help with interlibrary
loan and anything else related; I think I figgered out FirstSearch).

Thanks!!!!

P.S.  Stay tuned for a humorous Xmas/Genealogy post...;-) (hopefully Fri 12/18)

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South Mountain Community College        MCBRAYER@SMC.MARICOPA.EDU
Phoenix, Arizona

Lookin' fer MCBRAYER (aka McBrair, Macbrair, McBrier, MacBryre, Mackbrie,
   Mackbray, etc.   Also, BRIER).    Dumfrieshire, Scotland;  South-Central
   Pennsylvania, Western North Carolina, Kentucky, Georgia, Alabama, et al.
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From: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins)
Subject: Re: PAF tricks
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:18:32 GMT

jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper) writes:

>Do you have any fix for the problem of PAF not allowing
>children to be affixed to an "unmarried" female?  I would 
>appreciate any tips you can give me.  Thanks.
>--
>Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)
>"The true University of these days is a Collection of Books." 
>                                           --Carlyle                        

Jean, I'm not writing this from home so I can't say for sure but I
think I just used "none" or "unknown" or something for the father's
name.  It's not a clean way to do it, but it works.  Maybe others will
have a better suggestion.  BTW, I'm referring to the DOS version of
PAF.

Don
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 |HUNLEY, (and for my wife): CHANCE, PARK, MUNRO, BRANDON, DIETRICH     |
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