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From: b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Motorsports vs. Traditional Sports
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:21:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: utarlg.13OCT199221211687
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Somebody else writes.....
>>>... No public (or
>>>private) school will have auto racing as a sport, although some vo-tech
>>>type schools will build a street-stock for the local bullring.
>>>
>>  I have often thought what a great sport inter-collegiate single
>>seater racing would be.  Most universities have all the departments
>>necessary to form a competative team.  You have the engineering and
>>science departments to design and build a chassis and engine.  The
>>business department could handle the sponsorship side of things.  Most
>>universities have enough on campus roads to make a decent track.  I
>>suppose this is something of dream though.  It would bring a whole new
>>meaning to college sports :)
>>
> 
>You're not alone!  I've often looked at our College of Engineering and
>thought that it would be great project to set all of the departments off
>on.  We've got a wind tunnel that the aerospace guys could use to do 
>the aerodynamics, mechanical engineers to handle suspensions and engines, 
>materials and textile engineers to work with composites, and all sorts 
>of electrical and computer engineers to handle the various electronic
>wizardry.  Toss in the chemistry types for brewing up something like Elf's
>finest, some physicists and mathematicians for R&D, and I didn't even think
>of bringing in the business folks for running the whole thing, but that's
>a great idea too.  Now there's a school sport for you!  Students can 
>actually learn something while participating.  Who needs this stupid
>basketball and football stuff...what a waste of resources! :-)
> 
>So whaddya say Andy, F-ACC (Formula ACC)?? :-)
> 
>-chuck-
> 
>-- 
This *IS* being done. Can't remember what it's official name is, though. 
Teams compete on a regional basis. The goal is to build a single seat
open wheel race car subject to various regulations that comprise 
'the formula'. The resulting race cars compete on a closed circuit 
with each team team getting an equal number of runs on the track 
(alone, no dicing allowed) and the fastest time wins. I'll get more
info tomorrow as I'm not at school at this moment. I can tell
you that UTA won its region for the last 2 years strait. Perhaps
bringing this up to a faculty chairman could get the ball rolling
at your university.

George
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna test drive Williams
From: <A735FJO@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 16:17:21 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

In article <9210081356.AA11368@yngvi.wbst147>, mjackson.wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark
Jackson) says:
>
>cheung@mlb.geomechanics.csiro.au (Lawrence Cheung) writes:
>
>> After all, Prost beat the shit out of him during the Ferrari days.
>
>and taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436) objects:
>
>> If memory serves (and I did check this
>> some time ago but am no longer completely sure) NM had a number
>> of poles and AP had none that year.
>
>Prost and Mansell drove together at Ferrari in 1990.  That year their
>records were:
>
>Prost:   5 wins, 2 fastest laps, 0 poles;
>         73 points (71 net) from 12 finishes.
>
>Mansell: 1 win, 3 fastest laps, 3 poles;
>         37 points from 9 finishes (7 actually running at end of race)
>
>Ross is correct.  And this without taking account of the fact that
>Prost was given better equipment (just ask Nigel). . . :-) :-)
>
From the statistics above we could also learn that Prost was more careful
with his equipment.  While Prost was beating the shit out of Mansell,
Mansell was beating the shit out of his car.
 
Frans
From: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: IndyCar News
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:25:26 GMT
Reply-To: bj@cbmvax.commodore.com (Brian Jackson - Amiga Networking)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct6.225248.958@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>For immediate release:
>
>Midland, Texas -- the Pennzoil Hall/VDS racing team has chosen
>sides in the escalating engine war on the IndyCar circuit for 1993.
>
>The selection is Chevrolet over Ford, as the Midland-based team will
>race a car powered by the yet-to-be released Chevrolet V8-C engine.

Gee, there's a shocker.  Jim Hall goes with Chevrolet. :) :) :)

Did this press release come from Jim Hall or Chevrolet?  Hmmm.  :)

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From: tafi3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Ian Deeley)
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview (I saw the whole thing!) & XJ220's
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:09:04 GMT

	The subject line says it all really, they showed the entire Max
Mosely interview on Motorworld last night, & whats more I have it on
tape, so if there is enough interest I will transcribe the relevant
bits, ( the whole thing was some 20-25 mins long, I'm not that keen!!),
email direct please.
	Also, did anyone see "Top-Gear" last night with the section on
the XJ220, what a car, Tiff Needell giving it death around Oulton Park, &
then an in-car shot of Martin Brundle breaking the production car speed
record, 217 mph I think, & then horror of horrors, a film of an XJ220
being driven into a wall for type approval purposes, it still brings a
tear to the eye!!

Ian Deeley
School of Engineering		tafi3%syma.susx.ac.uk
University of Sussex		tafi3@uk.ac.susx.syma
Falmer, England			tafi3@central.sussex.ac.uk
From: parfrk@rs6321.ecs.rpi.edu (Karl Andrew Parfrey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Formula SAE
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:39:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.9=2z1c
Reply-To: parfrk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

....oh yeah, I remember something else.

One of the guys on the team told me that this year the driver's 
briefing at the SAE race was given by none other than Jackie
Stewart.  He said that Stewart complained about how the student
drivers white-knuckled the steering wheels and told them to
"hold the wheel as you would hold a woman" or something to that
effect.

hm.  never been slapped by a car.  maybe it's worth a try.

	-Kap

-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: brien@topcat.b11.ingr.com (Brien Gilliam)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Charlotte Update
Reply-To: brien@topcat.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 13:01:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.031858.2605@tamsun.tamu.edu>, pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:
|> Howdy!
|> 	This courtesy of our clari.sports.motor feed...
|> 
|> 	Jeff Gordon snagged his 10th pole of the season for Saturday's
|> Busch GN race at Charlotte.  This ties him for most poles in one season.
|> He drives the Baby Ruth-sponsored Ford TBird owned by (?).  Gordon's
|> fast time was 172.6 mph -- this was faster than the fastest Winston Cup
                 ^^^^^                 ^^^^^^           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> car attempting qualifying for Sunday's MY 500!

???????

Kulwicki got the pole for the MY500 with a speed of 179.something. I would
speculate that a majority of the MY500 field qualified faster than Jeff
Gordon's BGN T-Bird.

-- 

	Brien C. Gilliam
	Intergraph Corporation		brien@topcat.b11.ingr.com
	Huntsville, AL 35894		(205)730-5652
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Engine oil in gearbox (was synthetics)
Followup-To: rec.autos.tech
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:01:45 GMT

this is way off the beam for rec.autos.sport; i'm crossposting to
rec.autos.tech, directing followups there, and keeping this 
_extremely_ short

In article <1992Oct12.053300.16972@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt) writes:
>Thusly, I HEARBY TOTALLY AND UTTERLY *RETRACT* A STATEMENT
>I MADE IN THE PREVIOUS POST!

>DO NOT, under any circumstances, use SYNTHETIC oil in a
>SYNCHROMESH GEARBOX.  Synthetic oils are so slippery that the 
>synchros cannot generate enough friction to synchronize
>gear and shaft speeds.  Of course, gearboxes that do not
>use synchros, such as a motorcycle gearbox, do not have a 
>problem with synthetic oils.

in truth, synthetic gear lubes exist and work perfectly well; i've
used amsoil, redline, and agip synthetics with no problems, and others
have used spectro synthetics with good luck as well.  mobil 1 synthetic
gear lube is ok, but not as good as the previously named products.


you should use a lubricant that meets the specs of the designers;
as an example, Redline MTL is a 75W90, GL-4 lubricant which also
meets the requirements for a 10W30 motor oil, rendering it appropriate
for gearboxes that explicitly list motor oil as the appropriate
lubricant (honda and saab both have such gearboxes, to name two out
of many.)

sheesh,
  richard
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From: fowler@cvmmdl2.msstate.edu (Stephanie Fowler)
Subject: What's the best way to break into BGN racing?
Organization: MSU College of VET MED
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:57:12 GMT

I know that most of the individuals posting in this network are more than just
"fans" of motorsports so I am posting this question with the hopes of getting
some help.  I have raced local dirt tracks for awhile and have been really
successful.  I know that I would like to eventually get into BGN but what I
don't know is the best way to go about this.  This is going to be a major step
for me and I don't want to blow it so I would appreciate some advice.  One
MAJOR obstacle is the fact that I am a female trying to get into a man's sport.
What do you think about women racing? Any comments or advice would be truly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Stephanie
From: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Jr & Flossie - NOT!
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:44:13 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab1.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Distribution: na
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA


    It appears the bit of news someone else on the net didnt want to
  post about junior johnson (RE: his moving the 2nd team across the
  holler) is that he has filled for divorce. Turns out flossie does
  not know where jr is currently living and that they havent lived
  together for over a year.

  -Dan
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  rehab1!dans@cbmvax.commodore.com -OR- {uunet,rutgers}!cbmvax!rehab1!dans
From: banta@blagg.Eng.Sun.COM (242 lbs before cooking)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Help Me: Synthetics - The Final Word..
Date: 7 Oct 1992 16:19:09 GMT
Organization: Sun, Moon, and Stars
NNTP-Posting-Host: blagg

In article <1992Oct7.132338.24287@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov> vesper@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov writes:
>What is the best oil to run in a high performance engine?
>I drive a 944T and I maintain it meticulously.  I've talked with several  
>mechanics who are down on synthetics.  They claim synthetics are too detergent.
>I've been running non-synthetic oil from day one on this car.
>
>But I've talked with other drivers who swear by synthetics.  I want the best  
>possible engine protection regardless of cost.  Does anyone know the final word  
>on synthetics?  What do they use on the racing circuits?

Well, I'll just mention my experience, first: I have an MG BGT that I
race in SCCA club racing and also spend a fair amount of time working
with other club racers on their cars.

As far as I'm concerned, Redline synthetics are it.  I would never
use anything else.

I've seen room temperature Valvoline (that stuff the "People who know"
use) flow like water after a single 30 minute session at 250 degrees F.

The major advantages of synthetics are they're less volatile, exhibit
much better viscosity to temperature characteristics, don't oxidize as
readily and provide better heat transfer than organic oils.

If you're planning on running on a track, skip the multi-weights.
Viscosity enhancers are useless above 210 F, and because of their low
shear strength, produce more engine dirt.

Redline oil uses a jet turbine oil base, meaning they have to add less
friction modifiers, and as a result, Redline has half the coefficient
of friction of Mobil 1.

Redline *racing* oils are low in detergent because in most racing
applications, you don't have the wide variation in engine rpm to break
apart the ash that's a result of the detergent.  Ash accumulations can
result in pre-detonation.

Anyway, that's my input.  If you buy Redline by the case or more, you
can usually find it for about $6/quart.  Thanks to Jack Poller and Roy
Howell, the chief chemist at Redline for this info.

andy
banta@abingdon.sun.com
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: The Galmer's Season
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:29:46 GMT

The Galmer's '92 season: (Sullivan's/Unser Jr.'s start/finish
for each race thus far:

Sullivan:
Australia     10/5
Phoenix        7/12
Long Beach     2/1
Indy           8/5
Detroit       11/5
Portland       3/12
Milwaukee      9/12
New Hampshire 18/9
Toronto        6/3
Michigan      16/8
Cleveland     10/20
Road America   9/7
Vancouver     12/7
Mid-Ohio      11/8
Nazareth      11/17

Unser Jr:
Australia      1/4
Phoenix       11/5
Long Beach     4/4
Indy          12/1
Detroit        7/9
Portland       4/3
Milwaukee     13/7
New Hampshire  6/8
Toronto       10/7
Michigan      15/4
Cleveland      5/3
Road America   8/2
Vancouver      5/2
Mid-Ohio       6/3
Nazareth      13/11 **new chassis??

Averages:
Sullivan's average starting position for road courses = 8.2
Sullivan's average starting position for ovals = 11.5
Sullivan's average finishing position for road courses = 7.5
Sullivan's average finishing position for ovals = 10.5
Unser's average starting position for road courses = 5.5
Unser's average starting position for ovals = 11.6
Unser's average finishing position for road courses = 4.1
Unser's average finishing position for ovals = 6

-cball-

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Top Drivers
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:51:15 GMT

I've been reluctant to enter this discussion - sort of like
"what's the best car, in your opinion".  But I've watched
what has been mentioned and since they haven't been yet
mentioned, I have to add my favorites.  A note that, as
always, I've always payed more attention to drivers from
the U.S. as opposed to those from foreign lands.  But I
can recognize greats like Fangio, Clark, Nuvolari, Hill,
Stewart, etc.

Be that as it may, I must add:

-- AJ Foyt in his heyday.  Has driven and run all the biggies,
excepting F1.  Sprints, Champs, IndyCars (obviously), NASCAR,
LeMans, IMSA......what else?  Certainly a winner in most all 
forms.

-- Ditto Dan Gurney:  F1, IndyCars, NASCAR (remember 5 straight
wins at Riverside).  And a darn nice guy to boot.

-- Both Peter Gregg and Al Holbert in road racing

-- Don Garlits for his pioneering in drag racing

-- NASCAR includes Curtis Turner, Joe Weatherly, Fireball Roberts
and obviously, the King.

-cball-

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer)
Subject: Racing car drawings
To: rec.autos.sport
Posted-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 09: 11:00 CDT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:11:00 GMT
Received-Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 09: 11:02 CDT

   I like to build scratch-built scale models of vintage racing cars,
primarily oval track cars from thirties and forties.  I have been able
to find very few scale drawings of racing cars, and doing my own from
pictures limits accuracy if I did not take the photos myself (and measure
point of view, focal length, etc).  Does anyone know of a source for
drawings of racing cars of that vintage?
Xref: sparky rec.autos.sport:11284 rec.autos:23947
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,rec.autos
Subject: gm & crash testing (was Re: Top Five (US) drivers; forget the trac)
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:42:34 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies

once again, a topic of marginal (at best) relevance to r.a.s is
being pushed sideways to rec.autos

In article <9738@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> kim@unix.cc.emory.edu writes:
>In article 4136@noose.ecn.purdue.edu, unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks) writes:

>>Boycott GM until they stop crashing animals!!!!!!!!

>>Rob U, will not buy another GM until they stop using animals in tests

>I am interested in this.  what evidence do you have that GM is still using
>animals in crash tests?

GM still does some, and shares the results with the other two companies.
i don't think it proper to boycott only one if you feel this way; GM
has simply agreed to take the heat, but all three are involved.

animal testing is a difficult moral problem; i don't consider it at
all clear cut, and won't express an opinion.  those of you who do,
feel free to flame away -- but don't use rec.autos.sport as your
forum, please.

richard
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From: markf@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Mark Foster)
Subject: F1 dates for 1993
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:26:15 GMT


Dear All,

Courtesy of CEEFAX, here is the list of F1 dates for 1993.

Date		Grand Prix		Circuit			Length
________________________________________________________________________
28 Feb		South African		Kyalami			4.104 km
14 Mar		Brazilian		Sao Paulo Interlagos	4.325 km
04 Apr		Asia (Japan)		Autopolis		?.??? km
25 Apr		San Marino		Imola			5.040 km
09 May		Spain			Barcelona		4.747 km
23 May		Monaco			Monaco			3.328 km
13 Jun		Canadian		Montreal		4.390 km
04 Jul		French			Magny Cours		4.271 km
11 Jul		British			Silverstone		5.220 km
25 Jul		German			Hockenheim		6.801 km
15 Aug		Hungarian		Hungaroring		3.965 km
29 Aug		Belgian			Spa Francorchamps	6.940 km
12 Sep		Italian			Monza			5.800 km
26 Sep		Portugese		Estoril			4.350 km
24 Oct		Japanese		Suzuka			5.859 km
07 Nov		Australian		Adelaide		3.780 km

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From: nelson@grok83.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nelson Yount)
Subject: Re: MRN coverage of Charlotte?
Organization: NCR Corp
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:27:05 GMT

In article <13OCT199211182968@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY) writes:
|> 
|> Anyway, PRN coverage of Sunday's race was in no means a one time deal and 
|> PRN coverage of a Charlotte race is nothing new.  Somehow I think that 
|> Humpy Wheeler's perspective is that if you don't like TBS or PRN coverage, 
|> come to the track and watch it in person.  I'm sure they'll make more room 
|> :-)

And if you're too close to Charlotte, you don't even get the option of
watching it on TBS.  It was blacked out where I was (Conover, N.C.,
about 45 miles from Charlotte.  Is CMS the only track that requires
black-outs within a certain radius, or are there others?  I know it
doesn't happen for N. Wilkesboro, Darlington, or Rockingham.  IMHO,
Humpy Wheeler's greedy attitude hurts the sport overall.

-- 
Nelson Yount                          nelson.yount@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
From: magna@crosfield.co.uk (john hartridge)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Max Mosely Interview
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:14:45 GMT
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <1992Oct7.001943.5168@morrow.stanford.edu> jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller) writes:

>With tire changes mandated in F1 next year (and multiple changes possible
>with the new smaller tires), I wonder if the the compressed-air jacks that
>are built in to Indy Cars (and have been for 10-15 years) will make their
>way into F1. There's less need for them perhaps since F1 allows a zillion
>people to work on the car at once in the pits, instead of the 5 allowed
>in Indy Cars.
>
>Jeff

I noticed during the pit stops in the Portugese GP that several teams - 
including Williams and MacClaren - were using some sort of powered jack to
raise the cars.  They still had to be wheeled into place by a pit crewman, so
I couldn't really see the advantage.  The old "lever" type never seemed to
be that slow, and having a powered jack could lead to a failure which would
slow up the pit stop.

John.

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From: colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt)
Subject: Re: Marlboro Challenge 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:13:16 GMT

jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Oct3.203726.19139@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU 
>(Andrew BW Colfelt) writes:
>>Is this event to be televised?  

>I think it's supposed to be on the evening of Monday, October 19, on ESPN.
>Correct me if I'm wrong, please....

I don't have the exact time, but I believe that ESPN
will broadcast the event on Saturday or Sunday at
around 7 or 9pm, EDT.


-- 
Andrew          
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