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From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: An exhortation about State Taxes
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:54:02 GMT

pms@fuzzy.Corp.Sun.COM (Patrick Stirling) writes:
>	S A V E    C A L I F O R N I A
>	==============================

>Do you want to help California balance its budget and continue providing
>top-rate health, education, and social services to its citizens? Then do
>the following:

And your solution is to give them more money?  Oh yeah, that's really
worked great before.  It's like heroin - the more they use, the more
they need next time.

>3. Divide that amount by your total income found on line 23 of your Federal
>   tax return, then multiply by 100. This is the percentage of your income
>   that you paid in taxes to California in 1991. Are you surprised at how
>   low it is? Don't forget that line 23 may already include deductions from
>   your income.

It is NOT the percentage of income paid in taxes to California.  Let's
not forget property taxes (money to the city/county and money to the
state are very incestously intertwined) , state sales tax, the gougers
at the DMV, higher prices on everything due to taxes and regulations
and fees on business, and a whole shload more.  I don't think the tax
I paid directly is low, and it most likely pales in comparison to the
nickle and dimed to death taxes.


>4. If the percentage that you calculated in Step 3 is less than, say, 1% or
>   2%, then you probably have some good deductions or a good accountant, or
>   both. But don't you feel a little guilty that you're not paying your 
>   fair share?

If it was, I wouldn't.  Everyone is paying more than their fair share.


>5. If you are feeling a bit guilty and you want to do something about it,
>   then send a check for any extra amount that you want, together with a
>   letter explaining why, to:

>	Governor Pete Wilson
>	State Capitol,
>	Sacramento, CA  95814

If you want to, great, you might want to add a little blurb about "cut
spending" as well.
-- 
As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:12:40 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <37138@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> slinke@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Steven Linke) writes:
>I have the perfect place for them and everybody else who wants to
>leave California for the above reasons.  My former place of
>residence--FARGO, NORTH DAKOTA.  (Metropolitan pop. 125,000)
>
>
>  Crowds?  Only six days a year at the college football home games. 
 
    And, if you believe the national networks, at the local abortion
    clinic.
From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 03:11:50 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ca
  <1992Aug24.152912.25046@cs.ucla.edu><2A9DF722.24816@ics.uci.edu>
  <1992Sep1.032851.29612@sactoh0.sac.ca.us>
  <JET.92Sep1100404@win30.nas.nasa.gov>

Kim> 6.  Compel California businesses to hire locally before
Kim> recruiting out-of-state.

Did you really mean out-of-country rather than just out-of-state?
Out-of-state has Constitutional problems, doesn't it?

--Tim Smith
From: lee@luke.rsg.hac.com (C. Lee)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:54:20 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company; Culver City, CA

In article <64813@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>According to the Seattle Times, about 50,000 people per year move
>from California to Washington, and about 25,000 per year move from
>Washington to California.
>
So, Tim, what are some good ways to find computer-related jobs in Seattle?
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From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ca.politics
Subject: Re: An exhortation about State Taxes
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 04:25:50 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ca
  <1992Aug28.170626.5885@resonex.com>

> And to think people in Indiana screamed a few years ago when the state
> income tax went from 1.5% to a whopping 3%...

And so they should.  A percent here and a percent there, and pretty soon
you've got California-level taxes.

The ones to really watch out for are "temporary" taxes for special
purposes.  When the special purpose is fullfilled, the tax stays,
with the revenue going into the general fund.

When was the last time you heard the state say "We've paid for that
school building, so we're cutting taxes" or "We've paid for the
construction of that bridge, so we're getting rid of the toll?"

(Yes, I know that bridges have maintenance costs.  So what?  So do
all the other roads.  Why aren't all the roads toll roads?  Why should
a bridge be treated any different from other roads?)

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:33:02 GMT


You highly educated professional types should act as a good example
and correctly spell the names of the groups you are disparaging:

			immigrants, not immigrents

			:-)

	from a highly educated professional type who still likes it
	here :-)

	mike healy

	healy@cod.nosc.mil
From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:30:54 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ca
  <64813@cup.portal.com> <23097@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM>

> >According to the Seattle Times, about 50,000 people per year move
> >from California to Washington, and about 25,000 per year move from
> >Washington to California.
> >
> So, Tim, what are some good ways to find computer-related jobs in Seattle?

Beats me.  The people I know who've moved to Washington from California
did the following:

	Person 1: worked from home for a Silicon Valley company.  This
	eventually grew to a branch office in Washington.

	Person 2: had kept in touch with people he met on a business
	trip to Microsoft.  They's been interested in him for a couple
	years.

	Persons 3 and 4: they own the company that person 1 worked for,
	and they brought it with them, leaving me working out of my
	apartment in Silicon Valley.

	Me: I moved to go to school here.  Until school starts, I'm keeping
	my old job.

Thus, I have no idea how one finds a computer-related job here!

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:04:04 GMT
	<2A9DF722.24816@ics.uci.edu> <1992Sep1.032851.29612@sactoh0.sac.ca.us>
Distribution: ca
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames


"Kim" == Kim A. Berry <kberry@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> writes:

Kim> 1.  Support S.1218 John Seymour, CA: make it a felony to return
Kim> to California after being deported.

Oh great.  So if one keeps coming here illegally, we pay $40,000 a
year to punish them.  Yeesh.

Kim> 4.  Provide tax exemptions only for the first two children.

Kim> 5.  Quit subsidizing new subdivisions.

Kim> 6.  Compel California businesses to hire locally before
Kim> recruiting out-of-state.

I agree with these three for reasons that have nothing to do with
illegal immigration.  It's too bad they're being brought up in such a
nationalistic light.
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:08:44 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <4997@bacon.IMSI.COM> jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>Oh, but I see from your return address that you "live" in LA?  That
>must be why it doesn't seem to bother you much where you live, since LA
>is just one big suburb.
>
>Wait, which group is this?!? ;-)

You know Jordan, LA used to be a pretty nice place to live. Like when
the 91 freeway didn't exist, and to get to Dizzyland you drove past
dairy farms and orange groves. When was that? ;^)

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: sallyh@StarConn.com (Sally Holmes)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Leaving California
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:33:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133

ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:

>If I were starting a high-tech company in California, I think I'd put it
>somewhere away from the high housing costs, yet close.  For example, in
>Modesto or Merced or Los Banos.  For $100K there, you can get a good
>house.  For $150K, you can get something real nice, with land and maybe
>a pool and other luxuries.

>But what about the culture, or lack thereof?  Well, its only a couple of
>hours by car to the Bay area.  With the amount saved on housing, the
>employees could afford to take a couple weekends a month and go to
>the Bay area for culture.  And at a high-tech company, whose got time for
>culture on weekdays, anyway? :-)

Sounds lovely, but you'll get mostly single people or maybe dinky
couples. People with kids don't want to pack up and drive a couple of 
hours (`Are we there yet, daddeee'?) for their culture.

Of course, some would argue that those of us with children have chosen
to put our cultural life on hold for a few years anyway :-) - sure feels
like that at times!

Sally Holmes
sallyh@starconn.com
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:10:50 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In article <64811@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>
>My paychecks are bigger, though.  Washington does not have a state income
>tax.  Nyeh nyeh nyeh! :-)
>
I wonder if that is a gain or a loss, since state income tax is deductible
on the federal income tax, and sales tax no longer is.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
From: steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:35:28 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Don Steiny Software, Santa Cruz CA

ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:

>I work for a company that had offices both in Silicon Valley and in
>Port Orchard, Washington.  

	Nice, I was in Port Orchard a few weeks ago.   I met another person
who had moved to Seattle from California.   She had moved from near where
I live in Santa Cruz.   She told me that when people ask her where she 
is from she tells them she moved to Seattle from paradise.

	She had to move because she is a nurse and one hospital in town
bought the other and lots of nurse jobs went away.

	She said that Seattle is so depressing that for months out of the
year she closes all of her drapes and turns on all the lights to shut out
the grey and pretend that there is light and sunshine.

	Of course, I go to Port Orchard the second week of August every year
(apparently one of the few weeks when they have nice weather and I just love
it).    But, I was the Northeast around Boston about a month ago and it was
very nice too.   Some people there tell me they could not imagine a 
Christmas without snow (of course, as a Californian, I have that choice
I spend Christmas in Yosomite and there was beautiful snow, as well as the
other beautiful things in Yosomite).

	Everyplace seems to have its own niceness.   One thing that would
be nice about Port Orchard is that it is at least an hours drive from any
entertainment or restaurant and thus you would grow self reliant.

-don
-- 
Don Steiny
Don Steiny Software
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(408) 425-0382
From: dliao@aludra.usc.edu (David Liao)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Maxtor 210 MB IDE Hard Drive - $430
Date: 1 Sep 1992 00:37:11 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

I just got this hard drive for my birthday.  I don't need this 210 MB
since I already have a 330 MB.  The static guard bag for the hard
drive is not opened.  It's brand new.  I'm going to let it go for
$430.

Maxtor 210 MB IDE (7213A)
access time 15 ms
new
$430

The price range for this hard drive from mail order is $490-$500+...

David Liao
University of Southern California
dliao@aludra.usc.edu
Newsgroups: ca.general
From: vardi@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Moshe Y. Vardi)
Subject: Inactive Bank Accounts
Originator: vardi@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: ca
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 18:27:06 GMT

Inactive bank accounts in California are turned over to the state.
What is the precise definition of "inactive"? What are the
implications of the account being "turned overs" to the state?

Moshe Vardi
vardi@cs.stanford.edu
From: lazzaro@boom.CS.Berkeley.EDU (John Lazzaro)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 25 Aug 1992 18:22:54 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: boom.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug19.221109.5495@pacdata.uucp> jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins) writes:

>As I talk to friends I realize that highly educated, professional
>types like me pretty much are all thinking of leaving. [...]  more
>populous.  Really makes one wonder about the state's future.

For balance, I know a lot of "highly educated, professional types" who
got their Ph.D.'s in state, and had to leave the state for professonal
advancement, and are considering making major sacrifices to come back
to CA again. From what I can see from my friends, people who see
quality of life as "inexpensive housing in a nice neighborhood with
good schools, ect." are happier elsewhere; those who like diversity (in
all its forms) and nice weather want to come back.
From: scotth@felix.filenet.com (Scott Hopson)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:36:24 GMT
Reply-To: scotth@fritz.filenet.com (Scott Hopson)
Distribution: ca
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <64813@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>According to the Seattle Times, about 50,000 people per year move
>from California to Washington, and about 25,000 per year move from
>Washington to California.
>

I don't think the Seattle Times is reporting very accurately, I lived in
Seattle last year and found more people from other areas than from 
California. They also don't mention that several years ago more people
were leaving Seattle for California (to get the High Paying High Tech jobs)
than were comming to Seattle. They used to have a saying up there
"When the last person leaves Seattle, please turn out the lights" 

Seattle is a nice place to live, but they do have their share of problems.
Several times I got stuck in traffic longer than I ever did in California.
When it does'nt rain they get smog. Their education systems at all levels 
are far below California's. You don't have state income tax but you do have
higher fees for licenses and services. Food costs more, gasoline costs more,
housing is getting nearly as high as California. If you want to live in a nice
new area like Bellevue then you can be sure sure you'll pay MORE than $200,000
for a home. Rent's are only slightly cheaper there. 

Washington has a real water problem, you might think as many up there do that
there is no water shortage. Just watch the news in Seattle. They have lots
of people and dwindling resources. Their dry seasons are getting longer each
year. They consider 30 days with no rain a drought. Last year the summer went
44 days with no rain. We had lots of smog last summer since there was no rain
to cleanse the air.

Yes, please move to Seattle. Ruin that part of the country and let California
heal. When the population of California was much smaller, this land was a
paradise. No where else in this country can you find such variety in one
place. This land is not perfect, but it's home.  


-- 
Scott Hopson   (scotth@filenet.com)
From: jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Jumping the Good Ship California
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:20:13 GMT
Organization: Investment Management Services Inc., NYC

Eugene N. Miya <eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov> writes:

	You know Jordan, LA used to be a pretty nice place to live.

[ Hi, Eugene! ]

Correct.  My wife's grandmother tells *wonderful* stories about her
childhood in the 20's in LA.  She lived sorta where "downtown" would
be, and it was quite a sight.  Who was the idiot who decided to put a
huge urban center at the base of a mountain range that traps the wind
off the ocean?

Ironically, the event (building of the freeways) that "made" LA also
destroyed it.

/jordan
From: rcarter@gaudi.nas.nasa.gov (Russell L. Carter)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Long Commutes (was Jumping the Good Ship California)
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:42:31 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <1992Aug29.093418.453@pro-palmtree.socal.com> markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz) writes:
>and once in San Jose you can go anyplace (ie Bart via the Santa Clara
>Transit to Freemont
>

Have yall who are so helpful with the addresses and such
of the veritable dozens of mass transit agencies sprinkled
like so many cow pies on the trail ever tried to *use* these
ah services?  Never, in all of the cities I've known,
have I ever seen such a braindead patchwork of mass transit.
I commuted 40 miles each way on Caltrain for 6 months, and I chose
my apartment based on easy accessibility to it.  I now drive.
I *hate* driving.  I *despised* the connections I had to put
up with.

I have several friends who with religous fervor attempted to
patch a commute together through Bay Area mass transit.  All
failed, and now drive.  Connections are the death of mass
transit systems, and that is what you have to deal with when
you use mass transit here.  Here's an interesting mass transit
experiment:

Start anywhere you like on the perimeter of the bay, and
circumnavigate the bay in less than one day, while visiting
Oakland, SF, and San Jose airports, and no fair hitchiking.

Russell
Newsgroups: ca.general,ca.politics
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: An exhortation about State Taxes
Organization: QueerNet
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 06:20:09 GMT

In article <64806@cup.portal.com> ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>Another 5% or so of my income went to The IOU State via sales taxes.

You spent 58% of your income last year on taxables?  Wow.  Talk about too
much disposable income...
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:21:21 GMT
Subject: House for Rent
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: ca.general

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From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: ca.general
Subject: Re: Leaving California
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:13:00 GMT
	<1992Sep1.005935.6297@nas.nasa.gov>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames

"rcarter" == Russell L. Carter <rcarter@gaudi.nas.nasa.gov> writes:

rcarter> I never seriously considered owning until I moved to the Bay
rcarter> Area, (after meeting the Waltons next door at my first two
rcarter> places) but after alot of computer analysis to try and prove
rcarter> to myself otherwise, I still don't consider owning. :-(

I considered owning *until* I moved to the Bay Area.  Now I'm debating
squatting on land near skyline, or somesuch.  I saw an ad for a
*trailer* that was only $50,000.  An order of magnitude higher than
the trailer I lived in for several years in Louisiana -- and that
trailer came with a private well, 10 acres of land, a barn, and *no*
neighbors with booger lights or noisy animals.  Forget looking at
houses, I couldn't afford the monthly payments without getting married
or subleting.  (Oh great, so now I *own* the place that I have to
share with 3 or 4 other people.)

Save to buy a home?  Only by living 4+ to a small house for years
(hey, I've had dorm rooms bigger than what some people I know are
living in) trying to save up $50-70K so that I can buy a *median*
priced home?  Yeah, right.  

rcarter> Essentially what we got here is alot of shoddy, rootless
rcarter> people paying too high prices for shoddy housing mated to
rcarter> crummy mind boggling commutes.  But the weather sure is nice.

It's amazing how stupid nice weather makes people.  I was at Bay City
Coffee yesterday and said to some table-mates "wow, this is going to
be a really nice day" and they said "Huh?  What's so great about it?"

Anyone who reacts in that manner should be immediately deported to the
states of Montana, UP Michigan, Indiana, and maybe Idaho, IMNSHO.
--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead
Xref: sparky ca.general:1118 ca.politics:7197
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ca.general,ca.politics
Subject: Re: An exhortation about State Taxes
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:30:25 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <l9q8u7INNkru@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> pms@fuzzy.Corp.Sun.COM (Patrick Stirling) writes:
>
>
>	S A V E    C A L I F O R N I A
>	==============================
>
>
>
>5. If you are feeling a bit guilty and you want to do something about it,
>   then send a check for any extra amount that you want, together with a
>   letter explaining why, to:
>
>	Governor Pete Wilson
>	State Capitol,
>	Sacramento, CA  95814


   I'd MUCH rather send him a signed recall petition!  And a few of
   his buddies as well.   
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