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From: lampi@halcyon.com (Michael Lampi)
Subject: Re: Adding Apollo disk as second disk in another Apollo ??
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:55:03 GMT

krowitz@QUAKE.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz) writes:

>The WD7000 controller can handle two ESDI disk drives. Whether
>or not they can be different types, I don't know. Assuming that
>you can ...

The WD7000 & DomainOS software can handle two different types of
ESDI drives on the same controller. You *can* mix the Maxtor
XT8760E and XT4380E drives. This does work.

>The WD7000 controller has 3 disk connectors -- 1 control cable,
>which is daisy-chained from the controller to drive 0, and then
>from drive 0 to drive 1; and two data cables, which go directly
>from the controller to each drive (or is it 1 data cable, and 2
>control cables?).

It is one daisy-chaining control cable and two separate (radial)
data cables, one for each drive.

>There are jumpers on the logic board of each
>disk drive which sets them as unit 0 or unit 1. There is also
>a set of terminators on the logic boards of the drives. Since both
>of your drives came from systems which only had a single drive
>apiece, both drives should have the terminators installed. When
>you have two drives attached to a single controller, drive 0
>should have the terminators removed, and drive 1 should have
>them installed. I have seen a 2-drive system refuse to boot when
>the 2nd drive (with the terminator pack) was detached from the
>system.

Depending on how you have the control cable wired, you may want to
have the terminators left in place. For example, if you leave one
disk drive in the system cabinet and have the other one outside,
then it makes the most sense to daisy chain from the internal drive
to the WD7000 controller to the outside drive. In this case it
works better if the drives (one at each end of the control cable)
have the terminators in place. This works quite well.

>You can see the jumper selections and cable locations of both
>the drives and the WD7000 controller by running the program
>/systest/ssr_util/jumper and selecting the appropiate menus.
>I know that the WD7000 will support two drive 
>s of the same type, it *might* support two drives of different
>types. You'll have to just go ahead and try it.

>== Dave Krowitz
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From: root@mip.lasc.lockheed.com (System Administrator)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: New Interworks SIG
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:50:50 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

ATTENTION:  ALL INTERWORKS MEMBERS......................

This is an open invitation to form a new Special Interest Group (SIG).


NAME:  Interoperability

PURPOSE:  To promote and report on system interoperability between 
          HP/Apollo workstations and other computing platforms.

TOPICS OF DISCUSSION: To be determined by our first meeting. 
		      (Interworks Conference - Phoenix, Arizona, April 26)

ACTING CO-CHAIRS: Charles Hebert	
		  charles_hebert@mip.lasc.lockheed.com	
		  Phone: 404-494-0496

		  Randy Hill		
		  randy_hill@mip.lasc.lockheed.com
		  Phone: 404-494-0629


Any interested people please respond to the acting Co-chairs via E-Mail 
by March 15,1993 with the following information:

Name
Company Name
Company Address
Phone Number
E-Mail Address
Topics of Discussion for first meeting

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: surprenc@spp3.jsp.umontreal.ca (Surprenant Colin)
Subject: 10.3 (bsd4.3) - Failed to init. terminal?!?!
Organization: Universite de Montreal
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:46:53 GMT

Hi, we have a net of many Apollo DN3500 running Domain OS Release 10.3
(bsd4.3) and sometimes I get this curious error message when executing 
soft. like elm or tin :

Failed to initialise your terminal entry : unknown return code -3

I can't figure out what the problem is, anyone got a hint?

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From: krowitz@QUAKE.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re:  Followup Adding a second disk etc ...
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:20:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Ummm, let's see ... I was only talking about the ESDI disk connectors
(of which there should be three). The WD7000 board is a multifunction
board that also includes a floppy controller and an SCSI controller
(which, unfortunately, is only supported for tape devices by the OS).

A lot of things are "unsupported", but will still work. I've only
dealt with dual 350-Mb or dual 760-Mb multiple disks ... so I can't
vouch for a mixed configuration, but it might work.

== Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: lnz@lucid.com (Leonard N. Zubkoff)
Subject: Re: Maxtor Optical Disk on Apollo
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 17:19:54 GMT

In article <1jotsuINNg84@trwvssi.vssi.trw.com> s_rickus@trwvssi.vssi.trw.com (Stephen H. Rickus) writes:
   In article <1993Jan21.135809.9748@email.tuwien.ac.at>, mjl@newton.auto.tuwien.ac.at (Martin J. Laubach) writes:
   >   I have now been trying for quite some time to connect a Maxtor
   > Tahiti 1 magneto-optical disk drive to our Apollos. So far, without
   > success. All I could do is make scsi_info actually find the drive.
   > But invol claims "no controller found", and mount says "device busy".
   > It just seems impossible...

   Next time you post, please include enough information that someone can
   help you without having to derive your configuration from the symptoms
   of the problem. Model numbers and OS revision levels at least.

   If you are trying to use an Apollo DN series machine then yes, it is
   impossible. Although there is a WD7000 disk controller board with
   external SCSI port, this board will only drive certain types of tape
   drives.

Note quite correct.  The DN2500 supports SCSI disks including magneto-opticals.
I beta tested this beast for Apollo a few years back.  It is the only DN series
to directly support SCSI disks.

		Leonard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: gsbg9079@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (G. Scott Braley)
Subject: Re: Hooking a PC up to a DN4000
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:26:31 GMT

chris@zeus.alta-oh.com (Chris Murphy) writes:
>I assume the PC is is a long way from the Apollo, as you mentioned
>the use of a modem/phone line. I've used KERMIT locally (i.e. direct
>serial connection from PC to Apollo) at 9600 baud with no problems.
>I assume a modem connection will work just as well.

Actually, the PC will be right next to the apollo.  What I want to do is to download large
files onto the school machines, tar them to a tape, untar them onto my machine at home, and
transfer them to my PC.  This sounds goofy, but I think it will work, and my wife will not
be, um, annoyed by my tying up the phone lines for hours on end.

				-Scott

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: bennett@georgia.NoSubdomain.NoDomain ()
Subject: tcsh
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:44:21 GMT

Has anyone had any luck compiling tcsh for the apollo. There is no config file for apollo.

-- 

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# Steve Bennett (bennett@mot.com)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: charlie@jmb2.jmb.com (Charlie Jernigan)
Subject: Re: wbak
Organization: JMB Realty Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:33:34 GMT

Holger Schlueter (schlue@danetda.UUCP) wrote:
: 
: Does anyone know if an implementation of the utility "wbak" does exist
: for non-apollo workstations (e.g. sun) or is it possible to get the
: source code for implementing it on my own? Any information about the
: internal data format would be of interest, too.
: 
: Thanks in advance
: 
:    Holger Schlueter
: 
The source code for rbak and wbak are not pretty sights!!

(and BTW I don't have access to them anymore)

Charlie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: schultz@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert A. Schultz)
Subject: Re: How can one name a file '~' ?
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:24:13 GMT

Jim Rees (rees@pisa.citi.umich.edu) wrote:
: In article <C166Mp.7yy@boi.hp.com>, alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten) writes:

:   from my HP-UX 8.07 ksh, 

: Can we please keep the HPukers out of here?  Maybe we should rename this
: newsgroup to comp.sys.domain-os.

Never-the-less, something like "date > \~" **should** work.  Under Domain it 
does not.  Maybe someone can explain to me why not?
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Boeing Computer Services      | of The Boeing Company then you have not 
schultz@bcstec@atc.boeing.com | read many of these disclaimers...
From: kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Logging in after install
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:06:08 GMT
Organization: I.Physikalisches Institut RWTH-Aachen
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de


After a messed up outcome of a PSK tape installation I re-installed
10.3 form the very beginning. I ran invol, booted the dist tape, installed the
4 tapes and now I am at the point where I need to do some administrative tasks.

First question:

How can I login as root or privileged user at this point? user -apollo- does
not give me su access.

Next Question:

I saved the previous sys and etc directory of my node, hoping to be able to
re-establish the registry from that. Where is the registry located and
how can I re-activate it?

--
--Chris
Christoph P. U. Kukulies
kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de
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From: kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: ctnode problem
Date: 25 Jan 1993 10:01:50 GMT
Organization: I.Physikalisches Institut RWTH-Aachen
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de


With a new installed 10.3 node I have the problem that I can not do 
a ctnode -update.

I get a message 

?(ctnode) Unable to read boot volume name from NODE 1eaf6 - Object not found

From the other node to my node I can do it though.

--
--Chris
Christoph P. U. Kukulies
kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: lampi@halcyon.com (Michael Lampi)
Subject: Re: HP Vue on DN3000? (or `DN3000 as a home machine')
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:55:12 GMT

nigelw@cs.man.ac.uk (Nigel Whitaker) writes:


>I've recently bought myself a home computer.
>A DN3000 -- 4megs RAM, 170 Disc, floppy, ethernet, TokenRing, 1280bw.
>(I bought it at an auction and at GBP 200 it seemed a much
>better buy than most of the 286 PCs that were in my
>price range).
[...stuff deleted...]
>What options do I have for tape media.  I don't think its got
>the later WD controller with SCSI interface, so am I limited
>to the apollo cartridge.  What exactly is the apollo
>cartridge drive?  Was it specially made for apollo?

The cartridge drive was the older QIC-36 drive, which is still
around in any recycled computer places. Made by Archive. The old
Sun 1/4" tape drive (full height version) has a SCSI to QIC-36
interface board in its lower half, so if you got one of those
drives off an old Sun 2 or Sun 3 and stripped of the lower
board, you'd be all set.

>Can any PC / SCSI interface cards be used, do I need a driver?

You need a driver for almost everything.

>Anyone want to swap a token ring board(s) for other bits such
>as memory or tape?

>Should I sell it and try to get a 386 PC?

486's are quite cheap these days :-)

>Any answers/advice welcomed.

You're welcome!
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: rhs9145@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.H. Starmer)
Subject: RAM for a DN3000
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:29:31 GMT

I have a DN3000 which has 4Meg of RAM which I would like to expand to 8
Meg if possible.  Since I am on a shoestring budget, I though I would
try to make my own memory boards.  Am I crazy in attempting this?  If
not, does anyone know the pinout of the port, and wether the connector
is available (is it a standard connector of some sort?).  Has anyone
done this before?  Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Rob
rhs9145@ultb.isc.rit.edu
From: krowitz@TREMOR.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: cleaning kits for magneto-optical drives?
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:23:41 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Does anyone know of any sort of cleaning kit for the
Sony rewritable (magneto-optical) disk drives? A couple
of our drives are beginning to have trouble loading the
heads when a new platter is inserted. When I open up
the external case, there's a lot of very fine dust
that has accumulated in the drive mechanism. Blowing it
out doesn't work (it seems to be firmly attached). I'd
wipe it out by hand, but the drive doesn't openup without
complete disassembly. Is there anything similar to the
cleaning kits you can get for CDROM's?

== Dave Krowitz
From: chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: How can one name a file '~' ?
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:55:13 GMT
Organization: Motorola, LICD, SPS, Mesa, AZ

In article <5daf606f.1bc5b@pisa.citi.umich.edu> Jim.Rees@umich.edu writes:
  Can we please keep the HPukers out of here?  Maybe we should rename this
  newsgroup to comp.sys.domain-os.

Perhaps comp.sys.aegis for folks still have SR9.7?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: mjl@newton.auto.tuwien.ac.at (Martin J. Laubach)
Subject: Maxtor Optical Disk on Apollo
Organization: University of technology, Vienna, Austria. 
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:58:09 GMT

  I have now been trying for quite some time to connect a Maxtor
Tahiti 1 magneto-optical disk drive to our Apollos. So far, without
success. All I could do is make scsi_info actually find the drive.
But invol claims "no controller found", and mount says "device busy".
It just seems impossible...

  Yesterday, I plugged the drive into our DEC -- and it worked on
first try (well, almost -- but it is fairly easy). So much for HP's
conception of an "open system"...

	mjl

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: austin@METO.UMD.EDU (Austin L. Conaty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: DPCI  special file needed.
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:21:26 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Hello,
I recently upgraded a pc that was running dpci on our
token ring here.  I upgraded from DOS 3.30 to DOS 5.0,
and now I get 2 different errors when I try and connect.
One error is simply 'unknown dos error', the other is
'incorrect version of dos'.  The last time I saw this error
it was due to a file that was called  redir300.exe and redir400.exe
not being what it should have.  I suspect that I should be looking
for a file called redir500.exe  which I do not have.  It seems
that redir500.exe is the special file that dpci needs to see in
order to work.  

So does anyone have that file, or know if I am on the right
track????

Thanks for your help

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From: krowitz@TREMOR.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re:  Apollo networking alternatives
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:44:51 GMT
Organization: The Internet

You might want to talk to Mary Ann Berg (mab@civilgate.ce.uiuc.edu), who
is the Working-Group chair for the InterWorks OS SIG. She is giving
a talk at the upcoming IWorks conference, April 25-28, in Phoenix on
a similar setup (heterogeneous networks, ATR and twisted pair).

== Dave Krowitz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jack Brindle)
Subject: Re: 68010
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:37:32 GMT

In article <6741@pdxgate.UUCP> idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick) writes:
>In article <A5471@ST.maus.de> Ralf_Czekalla@st.maus.de (Ralf Czekalla) writes:
>>Hello Griff,
>>
>>there has been a posting here in our MausNet, that a 68010-16 was offered
>>in the MicroTimes from 28.9.92 with a price of 60 US$. And it was definitely
>>said, that it was a 16MHz-one!
>>
>>The poster couldn't affirm, if it was a joke but try it ...!
>
>	I hope it's a joke!  That is a serious rip off.  I have seen the 8Mhz
>version sold for (in bulk, i.e. 10+ ordered) for $5.  Going on that, the 16Mhz
>shouldn't cost 12 times as much!  At least, I would hope it wouldn't...

Take another look at your sources. 68000's are going in the $5 range. If
you call up a Motorola distributor I'll bet you will find the $60.00
price is somewhat current. My guess is that the 010 just hasn't achieved
the volume level that the 68k has, and thus commands a higher price.
Any Semi reps around that might comment on this?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: d88nikne@odalix.ida.liu.se (Niklas Netz)
Subject: SC414075 vs 68030
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:08:54 GMT

What is the difference between a SC414075 and an ordinary '030?
Is there a difference?

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: leungsa@ecf.toronto.edu (LEUNG Leo S.)
Subject: 68k C compiler
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Distribution: comp.sys.m68k
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:18:10 GMT

Hi,

I'm currently using the C cross compiler for the 68000/68332 obtained
from the Motorola BBS.  I have two questions, which I'm hoping someone
may know the answer to:

a) How can you program interrupts using the C compiler (including how to
set up the interrupt routine addresses, is it necessary to save the registers
before servicing the interrupt, etc.)? 

b) When I download the .S19 record (which was produced via the C compiler)
onto the board (MC68332--it's pretty much similar to the rest of the 
68000 class) and run the program, I can't seem to abort the program so I 
can analyze the registers and memory.  Any users out there that have had
this problem? And what they did to overcome it?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

Leo Leung

leungsa@ecf.toronto.edu
From: jdmt@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Joe Tapply)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: CPU Prices.
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:39:54 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh



	Does anyone out there know the current one-off prices of 68040's and of any
suppliers in the UK or US who would be able to sell me one? 

	I am interested in both full '040's and the ones without FPU's,at all the
possible clock speeds.

	I would also quite like to know the one-off prices for fast (i.e. >25MHz)
68030's and 'EC30's.


	Thanks in advance,
			   Joe. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: d88nikne@odalix.ida.liu.se (Niklas Netz)
Subject: Is '040 preliminary pinout correct?
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:06:52 GMT

In my '040 User's Manual (68040UM/AD), printed in -89, there is a picture
of the '040 pinout, with the word 'PRELIMINARY' in large unfriendly letters
on it. Does anybody know if this pinout is correct?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Re: OS source?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 07:31:57 GMT
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
NNTP-Posting-Host: hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov

In article <sourada.727507778@vincent2.iastate.edu> sourada@iastate.edu (Steven D Ourada) writes:
>This is kind of a long shot, but I'll ask anyway: Is there any
>freely available, 68k assembly language source for (at least parts
>of) an operating system? It doesn't have to be complete or compilable
>on my computer, I just want to browse it.
>
>I've gotten a little help from the source to MiNT, a multitasking
>OS extension for the Atari ST. I began to get a copy of KludgeMach for
>the Amiga to see if there was anything interesting in that, but I stopped
>when I found that the compressed source was >3MB!

You can get a complete Unix clone (Minix-68k) for around $100 from
Prentice-Hall. All source code is included for the kernel, all commands,
utilities, etc... (Um, mebbe the compiler source is not included; I don't
remember what happened there. At any rate, since you just ask for
"an operating system" I'd assume you only want the kernel sources.) You
can find a lot of info in the comp.os.minix newsgroup. Minix-68k runs on
Atari ST, Amiga, and Mac. (I know it runs on all models of Atari; I don't
know what hardware dependencies it has for Amiga or Mac...)
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

There's a rough border between genius and insanity, but I'm a dual citizen.
From: level4@uhura.NOC.FH-Lippe.DE (Reinhard Markus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Qestions about GNU and MOTOROLA-DELTA-Systems
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:08:17 GMT
Organization: Fachhochschule Lippe, Lemgo, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uhura.noc.fh-lippe.de

I'd like to have

	gcc 2.x.x,
	gas xxx,
	GNU make 3.xx,
	glibc xxx,

on a MOTOROLA-DELTA-SYSTEM with an MVME167C Board (M68040/25MHz/32Mb)
running Motorola's UNIX SYSTEM V/68 RELEASE 3 Version 7.

Please contact me if you have any of theese up and running on such a system.
Of course I'd like to use a recent version of the programs mentioned above,
so please tell me which version you have.

 	Thanks	
 	Reinhard



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From: idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m68k
Subject: Re: 68010
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:20:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6741
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <A5471@ST.maus.de> Ralf_Czekalla@st.maus.de (Ralf Czekalla) writes:
>Hello Griff,
>
>there has been a posting here in our MausNet, that a 68010-16 was offered
>in the MicroTimes from 28.9.92 with a price of 60 US$. And it was definitely
>said, that it was a 16MHz-one!
>
>The poster couldn't affirm, if it was a joke but try it ...!

	I hope it's a joke!  That is a serious rip off.  I have seen the 8Mhz
version sold for (in bulk, i.e. 10+ ordered) for $5.  Going on that, the 16Mhz
shouldn't cost 12 times as much!  At least, I would hope it wouldn't...

                                  - Ian Romanick
                                    Dancing Fool of Epsilon

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