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From: willsoar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Allen R. Willson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Entry level MTBs
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:24:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


This surely is a FAQ, but I'm new to this group,
so bear with me.

I've been looking at en.lev. MTBs in my spare time,
and can't seem to see why the Trek line is so hot.
Seems to me that the componentry on these en.lev. bikes
are pretty much the same:
	Trek 830
	Schwinn High Plains
	Giant something-ur-other    ---
	Univega somethin-ur-other       > don't remember specifics models
	Diamondback somethin-ur-other -   right now, but you know what I mean

Is the Trek frame so much better, or is the bike simply more available 
than the others?  The Schwinn adds a Cromoly stem over the Trek, but
nobody on the net or around campus will speak of anything but Trek
en.lev. bikes.  Some enlightening info if you please. . .

Allen Willson
willsoar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
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From: brucer@gold.gvg.tek.com (Bruce Rayner)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Need info for ride through Indonesia
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:00:10 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA


My cousin, Barbara, is planning a trip through Indonesia,
with most of her time to be spent in Summatra.  She's taking
her touring bike and plans to spend 6 months or so down there.
Some of us conservative types are worrying about her safety,
traveling alone and such.  But I did offer to put the question
on the net, to see if anyone else has done any cycling in that
part of the world, or is from that area.  What about road conditions,
local customs, bike theft? Or anything else that would be helpful.
She'd like to make contact with someone directly.  I'll pass on any
replies to her.  Thanks to anyone who can share some experiences.

She's not new to this type of touring.  A few years ago, she did 
a solo trip through New Zealand.  Had a great time.

Please reply to my e-mail adr.

Thanks,
Bruce
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tssmith@netcom.com (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: women working on bikes
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 21:51:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <9209081645.AA02762@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>David Wuertele writes:
[worthwhile comments deleted]
>> I think I would ride faster if I had a girl mechanic!
>
>I'm heard of men who would rather play with girls than with women?
>Maybe you are into child molesting?
>
>jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

Jobst,

This carries sarcasm far too far.  You should retract your comment and
apologize to David, in public, soonest!

--Tim (tssmith@netcom.com)
From: rgo@druhi.ATT.COM (Ron Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: A Great New Book on MTB Riding Technique
Keywords: cartoons, humor
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:10:16 GMT
Distribution: rec

William Nealy, author of "The Mountain Bike Way of Knowledge",
has come out with a new book,
"Mountain Bike! A Manual of Beginning to Advanced Technique".
Like his earlier work, this is liberally illustrated with Nealy's
excellent and often humorous cartoons.

The book includes sections on Learning to Ride;
Armed and Dangerous (basic arm theory); Leg/Powertrain Theory;
Basic and Advanced Moves; Crash Wisdom; Riding Secrets of the Totally Honed;
Philosophy, Ethics, and Survival; Some Stupid Bike Tricks; and a Glossary.

It's got lots of good pointers and tips; even experienced MTB riders
will learn something new.  I especially liked the section on Crash Wisdom:
it shows several ways to dismount dynamically during a crash, and describes how to fall
to avoid injury.

While it repeats some of the material from his earlier book,
there is plenty of new material also.

The book is distributed by VeloNews Books (303-440-0601),
ISBN 0-89732-114-6, 172 pages, $12.95.

Highly recommended.

	Ron Olsen
	Boulder, Colorado
	r.g.olsen@att.com
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: : Definition of a "hybrid" bike ???
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:33:18 GMT
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT

Since most people who own mountain bikes never take them on anything
even remotely resembling terrain where you need a real mountain bike,
I think a hybrid serves the average person who wants an all-around bike
very well.
 
I own road bikes, a real mountain bike and a hybrid- a Bianchi Axis
that's really pretty close to cyclo cross bike. Last weekend I took
the bike out to ride with some friends who live in exurbia, miles off
the nearest paved road. We rode dirt roads, crossed fields and climbed
a few hills, and never encountered any terrain where the Axis couldn't
easily outperform the real MTBs. I had 21 speeds, same as the MTBs, lugged
tires, high bottom bracket and all the other bits in a bike that weighed
less than the MTBs and was easier to jump around, and when we were on the
dirt roads there was no contest.
 
Now, I wouldn't dream of taking the Axis on a real bike-punishing MTB
trail, but few people really put their bikes to that kind of stress. I
think you could formulate a rule of thumb: If the terrain you intend to ride
over requires a shock, buy an MTB. Otherwise buy a hybrid ;-)
 
I find that most of my friends getting back into biking are attracted to
the upright position and straight bars of the MTBs. They don't want to
deal with "that uncomfortable bent-over position", no matter what you tell
them about long-term comfort and efficiency. I take them to the bike store
and have them ride an MTB. Then I have them ride a hybrid. They always go
for the hybrid. That has held for men and women from 26 to 42, so far.
 
There are the few out there who *really* need an MTB. They're not the
indecisive ones. They *know* they need an MTB. You animals know who you
are. Ditto for the true road weenies among us. The ones drilling their
water bottles and riding 1-spoke carbon rims with 20 gram xenon-filled
tubulars and frames made of beryllium. They'll always find their true
bikes, and they'll find a way to pay for them, too ;-)
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From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Subject: Re: switching from side-by-side to single file
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  9 Sep 1992 09:09 EST  

In article <1992Sep8.225615.12137@meaddata.com>, mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes...
>|> >What is the general consensus/rule of thumb on the appropriate action
>|> >to take when two riders happen to be riding side by side, and suddenly
>|> >need to move back to single file?

A little simple communication works wonders here. When I'm the rider nearest
to traffic I'll call to the other rider that I'm pulling in front. The
other rider has *always* held back a little to let me in.


Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135
From: lotto@math.berkeley.edu (Ben Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Numb thumbs
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:02:43 GMT
	<p5qn46q.tomk@netcom.com>
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: math.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: tomk@netcom.com's message of 7 Sep 92 22:54:41 GMT

>>>>> On 7 Sep 92 22:54:41 GMT, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) said:

Thomas> In article <LOTTO.92Sep6185200@math.math.berkeley.edu> lotto@math.berkeley.edu (Ben Lotto) writes:
>I just started doing longer rides, and my thumbs start going numb
>after just a short while.  I have a pair of cheap gloves.
>Recommendations?

Thomas> Road bike or mountain bike? What sort of bars? How do you ride?
Thomas> What are the symtoms? Both sides equally?

Road bike (touring, actually---Trek 520).  Drop bars.  I change
positions when I ride, but I don't have anything to compare it to so I
can't say whether I change often or not.  I like to do stretches of
many minutes at a time in the lowest position, especially when heading
directly into the wind.  But after about 15-30 minutes on the bike, my
thumbs start to go numb, like they've fallen aslepp.  Riding one
handed will get life back into the one that's off the bars, but once
it goes back on, it's straight back to Numb City.  The left seems to
be worse than the right.

Anything else you'd like to know?

--
-B. A. Lotto
Department of Mathematics/Lake Forest College/Lake Forest IL 60045
708-735-5159
lotto@math.berkeley.edu  (Yeah, you read that right!)
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From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Ignorant Cyclists (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:43:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <casseres-100992135455@missmolly.apple.com> casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
>
>Driving on the wrong side (against traffic) is extremely dangerous and one
>of the main causes of car/bike accidents.  It has nothing to do with the
>energy difference due to greater closing speed; it has to do with being
>seen by drivers.

Do you also propose that drivers are completely unaware of pedestrians?
By this reckoning we should never walk -- only ride bikes on the
'correct' side of the street.D

>By the way, I don't know what you mean by "small children."  To me this
>means kids under the age of 8 or 9, and they shouldn't be riding
>unsupervised in the presence of dangerous traffic anyway.

How nice of you to condemn parents actions without any knoweledge
of the situation.
>
>A bike doesn't have the evasive maneuverability of a pedestrian.  The most
>important elements in safe cycling are being clearly visible, being where
>you are expected to be, and being predictable.
>
It would be interesting to know what you think of as evasive
manuveurability. This is blatant opinion on your part.
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Numb thumbs
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:02:03 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

If you do not give any information except vague comments about
numb hands or thumbs then you certainly aren't going to
get any decent answers. If you need to ask a question try 
and be specific and include pertinent details.

Someone that rides a mountain bike may suffer numb thumbs because
he uses thumb shifters that are set to far back. Others may have
trouble with the lack of sweep-back in flat bars. One can be
fixed by rotating the shifters as far forward as possible
and the other by buying a bar with some sweep-back.
 
It is common for fairly new riders on road bikes to get numb hands
because they tend to hold a single hand position for long periods
of time. This eventually works itself out with experience.
Since mountain bike bars force you into a single position you
must learn to change the direction of forces on your hands
and arms without changing your hand position. This means that
you will use your legs (by pumping harder sometimes) to offset
part of your body weight etc.

Gloves that are tight through the thumb (of _any_ price) can cause
numbness as well as can carpal tunnel syndrome.

But who is to know what your problem is if you don't describe it in 
enough detail?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: zeke@chiton.ucsd.edu (Rob Scott)
Subject: Will SPD equipped MTB shoes work with toe clips as well?
Keywords: SPD, toe clips
Organization: MPL of SIO at UCSD
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:46:15 GMT

I am beginning to plan my transition to clipless pedals for both my commuter
bike and my MTB.  Given that I can't afford to rush right out and put 2 sets
of pedals and a pair of shoes, I want to buy everything a piece at a time.

Given that, my first purchase will probably be a pair of SPD pedals and either
a Shimano off-road shoe or the Specialized off-road shoe.  I'll install the
first set of pedals on my commuter bike (easier learning curve for pedal
ejection if there isn't a tree or cliff coming my way).  I wanted to see
if anyone out there has any experiences/ideas/conjectures about difficulties
that I might encounter with using the SPD equipped shoes in off-road pedals
with toe clips.

As a second query, does anybody have any opinions (hoo-boy, like opening a
Pandora's box) on the Specialized off-road shoes?  I like the design better
than the Shimano, but haven't tried either one on for fit yet.  Any other
shoes that are noteworthy to be used for on/off road usage?  I'm not a hard
core road rider (my commuter bike is a cross-bike with 700C wheels) and
want a good multi-purpose shoe for my clipless pedals.


Thanks for any advice.
Rob
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mahesh@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Mahesh Neelakanta)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Rice as a Carbohydrate source
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:51:10 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton


 I was talking with a friend about general carbohydrate source (i.e. not
for carbo-loading). My staple is generic white rice but what about other 
types of rice: i.e:

 1) Those 10-minute rice packets
 2) Brown Rice
 3) Wild Rice
 4) Enriched rice that they sell at publix

Is any one better than the others in carbohydrate content? 

Thanks,
mahesh 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jitendra@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jitendra Kavathekar)
Subject: advice sought on cannondale's m1000 ('92)
Originator: jitendra@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:43:05 GMT

Hello NetLand,

   I would like to hear opinions/impressions of the Cannondale M1000 MTB.
   I am specifially looking at the 1992 model.

   I have an opportunity to buy it for $750.  Do you think that the bike
   could be gotten  *anywhere* for much less?

 thank you
 Jitendra

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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: WHEN WILL THEY LEARN????
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:11:30 GMT

casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.102749.8807@vax.oxford.ac.uk>,
>ftgcdj@vax.oxford.ac.uk wrote:
>> 
>> Why are there still people sending technical, sales,...etc. messages to rec.
>> bicycles.MISC when there are specific directories for these types of messages.
>>          ^^^^
>> I hate having to wade through crap that shouldn't even be there.

>THEN GET A NEWS-READER THAT LETS YOU SKIP PAST IT EASILY.  If so many

Some of us are held captive by unimaginative sys-admins &/or corporate
tightwads.!!!

>Maybe I don't give a big fat rat's ass whether you hate "wading through
>crap that shouldn't even be there."

>> WISE UP!!! And use the system as it's inteneded, or don't use it at all! It is
>> not difficult!

>Wise up yourself, and don't be such a fascist about it.

So what`s the pot calling the kettle now?
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: hallstro@solan.unit.no (Lars Hallstr|m Eriksen)
Subject: Re: Wheel truing I need advice
Organization: Norwegian Institue of Technology
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 17:06:08 GMT


In article <1992Aug25.200946.15374@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Richard.Banks@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
>I need both my front and rear wheels trued on my 18-speed 26 in.
>Mountain Bike.  The bike shop charges $4.00 per wheel to do this.
>Is this reasonable?  Are there any home methods that I can use that
>will be effective?  Thanks.

At $4 per wheel I wouldn't bother to do it myself unless the problem is really
frequent.  The frequency depends on how roughly you ride the bike, your weight,
and the wheel itself.

You can do it yourself, though, with a spoke wrench and common sense.  Turn the
bike upside down, and set the wheel spinning.  Look at the brake pads to see
where there is a bulge.  Tighten the spokes that will pull the bulge back (notice
that the spokes go alternatively to the right and left side of the hub).  Don't
tighten the spokes more than 1/4 or 1/2 turn before reexamining the wheel.  Some
of these spokes may be tighter than others (tap with a screwdriver and 
listen to the tune; the higher the note, the tighter it is).  Tighten the less
tight spokes.  (If the spokes you have to tighten seem to become tighter than
those pulling the wrong way, your rim may be bent.)  Generally tighten the spokes
that are in the middle of the bulge more than those at the ends.  Expect this
process to take quite a bit of time.  When you tighten a spoke, you actually turn
the thing the spoke is attached to, not the spoke itself.  Since the threads are
the normal "right-handed" type (at least on my spokes), you have to turn the
thing _counter-clockwise_ (looking from the hub towards the rim) to tighten the
spoke. 

When the sideways bulges are gone (well, it's hard to get it perfect, I'm no pro
either, I just "taught" myself), check that the wheel doesn't have bulges in the
plane you just pulled the wheel into (is egg-shaped).  If it is, you may try
tightening and slacking spokes to make it round, but I suspect this is harder to
correct than sideways bulges.  You may want to pay a more competent person to do
it.

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From: deb1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DERRICK ERNEST BOUCHER)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: NiCads in the Cateye Halogen Headlamp?
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:09:26 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hello all,

        I'd like to increase the versatility and especially the thrift
of the Cateye HL500 Halogen Headlamp by using rechargeable NiCad "C"
cells in place of standard C cells.  As I alredy own two HL500's, this
would be a very inexpensive was to upgrade to a rechargeable system.

 If anyone has tried this combination, please let me know via E-mail
or posting.

                                                Thanks,
                                                        Derrick

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From: selliott@cup.portal.com (J Steve Elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Definition of a "hybrid" bike ???
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 92 12:34:41 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I've been asked recently by someone considering a bike purchase whether
he should get a mountain bike or a hybrid bike. I must admit I'm a little
out of date for this question, my mountain bike is 8 years old and my
road bike is 10 years old. I'm of the opinion that one should ride a 
mountain bike for off road riding, and a road bike for road riding. I
haven't looked at bikes with purchase in mind since I bought mine.

So, can anyone define exactly what is a "hybrid" bike, specifically, what
is the difference between it and a mountain bike in terms of frame,
components, gearing, etc. Also if anyone has any opinions on the topic
I would appreciate that also. 

Heres the situation: He lives in San Francisco, will ride mostly in the
city, (although I suspect once he takes it off road, he'll be hooked), and
is in good physical condition, but not an experienced biker. Thanx.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,ott.general
From: lindah@darkover.EBay.Sun.COM (Linda Hallloran)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: CalTrain Bike Permits
Date: 10 Sep 1992 21:26:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: lindah@darkover.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: darkover.ebay.sun.com

I just called for my permit - I think everyone who might want to take
their bike on CalTrain ought to request one - especially if the higher
demand will change the 4 bicycle limit.

---

Linda Halloran
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From: hans@Software.Mitel.COM (Hans Johnsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,ott.general
Subject: Re: Bicycle lanes!
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:10:47 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

>pete@aix1.uottawa.ca (Pete Hickey) writes:

>>Now, on some other streets (Mount Bleu)  They've done something
>>even more weird.  The cars ride in the street as usual, but the
>>cyclists ride between the parked cars and the sidewalk.  There is
>>about a meter-wide strip.  It looks like this:
>>
>>
>>   |       |       |          ||          |       |       |
>>   |       |       |          ||          |       |       |
>>   | Bikes | parked|  Cars    ||  Cars    | parked| Bikes |
>>   |       | cars  |          ||          | cars  |       |
>>   |   |   |       |    |     ||   /|\    |       |  /|\  |
>>   |  \|/  |       |    |     ||    |     |       |   |   |
>>   |       |       |   \|/    ||    |     |       |   |   |
>>   |       |       |          ||          |       |       |
>>   |       |       |          ||          |       |       |

When I was in Copenhagen a few years ago they had a similar setup,
with one minor change which made all the difference. It looked
like this:
   |       | |       |          ||          |       | |       |
   |       |m|       |          ||          |       |m|       |
   | Bikes |e| parked|  Cars    ||  Cars    | parked|e| Bikes |
   |       |d| cars  |          ||          | cars  |d|       |
   |   |   |i|       |    |     ||   /|\    |       |i|  /|\  |
   |  \|/  |a|       |    |     ||    |     |       |a|   |   |
   |       |n|       |   \|/    ||    |     |       |n|   |   |
   |       | |       |          ||          |       | |       |
   |       | |       |          ||          |       | |       |

This prevented the situation you outline above. Of course, it
didn't prevent delivery truck drivers from using the lane as a
loading zone, as they could pull onto it from a driveway.

Some other streets put the sidewalk where the median is in my
diagram. All in all I found the level of accomodation for
bicycles in Copenhagen 12 years ago infinitely better than what
is provided now in any North American City I have been in.
Unfortunately I wasn't biking when I was over there.
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