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From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:23:44 GMT
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Organization: The Village Waterbed

In <1992Dec18.033308.21800@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:
>
>In all fairness, these two really were _dates from hell_.
>Details furnished on request...

You want us to beg, don't you.
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
From: loosemore-sandra@cs.yale.edu (Sandra Loosemore)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Am I banished?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:20:41 -0500
Organization: staff hacker @ Yale Haskell project
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In-reply-to: johnf@Auspex.COM's message of 15 Dec 92 00:20:46 GMT

OK, I'll post my favorite weird wedding story.  A couple of years ago
my younger brother got married.  At the time, neither one of them was
working regularly and since she's a foreigner (Japanese) there wasn't
much point in having a big family wedding.  So one day my mother gets
a phone call from my brother....

  Brother:  I think we'd better let you know that we've set the date 
    for the wedding.
  Mother:   Oh yeah?  When?
  Brother:  Yesterday.

It turns out they'd had a courthouse wedding with just the two witnesses
and the judge doubling as photographer.  Afterwards, the friends that
were the witnesses wanted to take them out to dinner to celebrate, but
somehow they managed to end up eating at Burger King!  :-)

-Sandra
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Giving and Receiving
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:24:28 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article lis6s8INN225@news.bbn.com, dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
|>In article <1992Dec15.102722.17472@rs6000.bham.ac.uk>, pickerig@eee.bham.ac.uk (Guy Pickering) writes:
|> If you give someone little presents, what do you give and what do
|> you like to receive?
|
|When a certain soc.singler was in Boston, he brought me some rocks and
|sea shells that he'd found walking on the cape, but I guess some people
|would look at you weird if you gave them a rock.  

Not if it was a diamond, emerald, ruby, saphirre or amethyst.

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| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: New Relationships...
From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:51:18 NZST
Distribution: world
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
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rmair@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ross Mair) writes:

> But if there is a lady seducing Nice Guys....what's 20 hours in a plane :-)
> Ross

   Highly exhausting if you have an autopilot on, highly dangerous if you 
don't...

   "Dear, did we just qualify for the Mile High Club ?"
   "Dunno. Let me check the alt-ARGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH"

Tony Q. (Who is showing signs of insomnia. Pretty obvious, ain't it ?)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: Matt Valentine
Subject: Re: Surrogate companion
Reply-To: valentin@next3.corp.mot.com
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:50:16 GMT

steven.m.stein writes
> A friend is someone who is there to do and share things with when
> there is not a SO present in their life.  Once a SO appears, the
> need to socialize with the friend is decreased significantly.  Our
> primary goal (or should I say mine, and I assume most others) is to
> find a SO to spend, hopefully, the rest of our lives with.  We do
> not hope, wish and/or pray for this to happen with someone of a 
> friend status. 

Yes, the socialization with the friends can drop off before you know what  
happened. IMO you should try even harder to maintain friendships when  
starting off and getting further into a relationship with an SO.  I think  
you can lead a much more balanced life emotionally when your socialization  
is spread around to many people.  If the SO leaves you, your dependence  
hasn't grown so large that you can't function without that person.  The  
support network is already there. Even when considering spending the rest  
of your life with someone, losing that person by divorce or death could be  
much more devistating.

IMO maintaining the friendships as much as possible, especially when in a  
relationship, is the best way to be happy.  I do hope and wish that I can  
spend the rest of my life with the friends I have now, and the ones I have  
yet to meet, regardless of my status with SOs.  As for the surrogate  
companion concept, i have been one and didn't like it.  I hope never to do  
that to someone else.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster)
Subject: Re: Victims of Denial!!!!
Organization: The Tickle Palace - Moonyvale, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 09:12:41 GMT

In article <15855@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.214852.16800@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>>HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lisa A. Haupt) writes:
>|] 
>|]  *deleted*
>|] 
>|] Lisa Haupt
>|] "the seahag"
>|
>|  *deleted*
> 
>Hey, where's all that help that you talked about in that last article
>about finding a RealWoman(tm) for John?  Why didn't you ask her if
>she was willing to meet John?   Are you saying that Lisa is not a
>RealWoman(tm)?
>

     Well, maybe Lisa just happens to be a RealAirPrincess. (:

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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Cat Presents - from a concerned citizen
Date: 17 Dec 1992 10:42:48 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: na
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In article <233@cnmhnet.UUCP> keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
}I had to comment here about the cat owners who just let their
}felines go and hope they will fend for themselves.

There's no such person as a "cat owner," but the pet humans you describe are
scum.

}                                                    We have a 
}situation here in the San Francisco area that shows what can
}happen.  So many people have let their cats go in the Golden Gate Park
}area, that the bird population is being disseminated.

Did you mean to type "decimated?"  Having the bird population disseminated
is probably a good thing.

}                                                       It is a serious
}problem, that is causing quite a bit of debate in the San Francisco
}area.  Some people want to round up the stray cats and dispose of
}them, others want a hunt organized.  Either way, something has
}to be done.  But it shows what can happen when man introduces 
}creatures not native into an ecosystem.

This is a trivial problem compared to the situation in New Zealand where
feral cats are also hunting birds.  Many of the birds in NZ can't fly;
others think that a good defense strategy consists freezing in place (cats
aren't fooled).

-- Herb Huston
-- huston@access.digex.com
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: cjp8b@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Chris Penington)
Subject: Re: Vasectomies (was Re: Pre-Sex Contract)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:02:45 GMT


>In article <255@cnmhnet.UUCP> keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.183400.4327@island.COM> don@island.COM (Don Hermes) writes:
> 
|Oh Don, how could you or any man even consider getting a vasectomy?
|As a man, I feel that the spermal excrement is at the essence of
|my experience as a man.  Most of the women I used to date really
|enjoyed the excitement of seeing me spray my "love juices" over their
|pulsating bodies.  How a man can even think of depriving himself of
|that pleasure, is beyond me.  

Sorry to disappoint you here Keith, but men who have had vasectomies
still produce semen and ejaculate. Their semen just doesn't contain
any sperm. So even if you do have a vasectomy you can still "enjoy the
excitement" of spraying your "love juices". Most of the bulk in semen
comes from the prostate, not the testes.

Chris
-- 
Chris Penington (cjp8b@virginia.edu)   
Biochemistry Dept., Box 440             I'm not really a physical biochemist
UVa Health Sciences Ctr,                     but I play one in the lab... 
Charlottesville, Va 22908   (804)924-8210   
Newsgroups: soc.singles,alt.sex
From: tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode)
Subject: Re: Lets be HONEST about Abusive things
Keywords: first,orgasm,sex,oral
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 21:31:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec7.231301.9990@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones) writes:
>]  
>] Actually, drieux, I think you've got it backwards. Women tend to be the
>] most irrational and unstable when we have *not* encountered an Orgasm
>] recently. The Orgasm restores calm and rational thought, a balanced 
>] perspective on life, a renewed interest in the world outside the bedroom 
>] (or bathroom, or living room, or kitchen, or wherever the Orgasm implements 
>] are kept). 
>] 
>] At least for the next few minutes. 
>
>but Stef that is PRECISELY my point.
>
>ORGASMS are WORSE than CRACK when it comes to Addictive
>Qualities that cause unstable personality disorders when
>faced with the classic withdrawl symptoms! Women have ONE
>little Orgasm and they are off on a Life of Moral Debauchery
>from then on out. Buy Him Ice Cream, Let Him have the Remote
>Control to the TV, just so long as she can get her ORGASM!!!![1]
>
>Maybe you're still in the denial phase, and
>need to take a good LONG LOOK at an Orgasm,
>and what it has done to you!!!!

Actually, I think drieux has a very good point here--I know I'd be more
than happy to take a good long look at one of Stef's orgasms as what it
does to her.

Trygve   (Though perhaps I ought to look at several, just to make sure
          we have a thorough understanding of the problem.)
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:04:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec15.150328.14629@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
|
|>If a man asks me out, and I don't know him very well, I assume he's
|>paying.  If he doesn't, he's got no class whatsoever, IMO.  Frankly, it
|>hasn't happened to me (though it did happen to a friend of mine).  
|>
|Lauren,
|Let's say that you _do_ know him well (assuming just-good-friends, here);
|
|If he does not pick up the tab (rather than splitting the tab, for instance),
|is he _still_ lacking in class?
|
|When you go out with one of your girlfriends, do you automatically expect
|her to pick up the tab?
|
|Inquiring minds want to know :-).
|
|Keith R

I can't believe this.  Three knee jerk responses in a row.  Look at the
first five words of Lauren's article (If a man asks me out).  It looks to
me like Lauren is describing a "traditional" date, in which case traditional
values should hold.  If *I* ask a woman out for dinner (which I assume
we're talking about here) I will *at least* offer to pay.  I am probably
going to choose the restaurant, or at least give the woman a choice of places
to go, in which case I am not going to expect the woman to pay.  Not even
half.  I am asking her out and treating her to dinner.  If she asked me out
it might be different.  This is different than, say, asking someone to meet
me after work for a couple of drinks.  Of course in that case this would
probably take place in a bar and she'd just be a cheap, sleazy, hussy anyway
and it wouldn't make any difference if I had and class. 


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| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Lets be HONEST about Abusive things
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:53:51 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
Distribution: world
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tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:

>>Maybe you're still in the denial phase, and
>>need to take a good LONG LOOK at an Orgasm,
>>and what it has done to you!!!!
> 
> Actually, I think drieux has a very good point here--I know I'd be more
> than happy to take a good long look at one of Stef's orgasms as what it
> does to her.

   Pardon moi, I'm rather new to this, but would 7 points be appropriate ?

> Trygve   (Though perhaps I ought to look at several, just to make sure
>           we have a thorough understanding of the problem.) 

   Make that 8... 8-)

Tony Q.
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry)
Subject: Re: Women: would you go out with a man dumber than you?
Organization: QQQCLC
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:31:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.061149.8757@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.230028.3150@linus.mitre.org> lkahn@mitre.org (Larry Kahn) writes:
>>   In keeping with the spirit of a current thread, I'll pose this question 
>>for (semi)serious responses.  When does an "intelligence" difference start 
>>to matter?  This includes level of education difference as well as someone 
>>who's book smart but has zero common sense.
>
>Of course the most difficult part is quantifying intelligence to the 
>point where you can determine whether (and how much) a difference
>exists.  

	My ex-wife has a very workable system. She decided, years ago,
that she likes intelligent people. Because of this, when she meets
someone she likes, she decides they're intelligent :-).

						Kayembee
From: rkf@wildrose.infoserv.com (Ray Fink)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Car doors (was Re: What is gold-digging?)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 22:53:30 -0700
Reply-To: wildrose!rkf@infoserv.com
Organization: Wild Rose Refugee Camp

larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry Billings) writes:
>In article <kDYKrAbEBh106h@wildrose.infoserv.com>, rkf@wildrose.infoserv.com (Ray Fink) writes:
>> 
>> Oh yeah, I probably do have no class whatsoever, I don't even open
>> car doors for women.  Another useful sorting criterion, I've found ;-)

>Please explain how this is a "sorting" criteria...  What you open the door
>for her and if she seems to like it you slam the door and drive off leaving
>her on the sidewalk?  :)

Hmm, that hadn't occurred to me... do you suppose it would work? It
would save so much time and trouble on everybody's part :-)

Seriously, a "sorting" criterion as in a reliable (IME) predictor of
a larger set of attitudes.  Some women expect (or greatly appreciate)
having car doors opened, others are offended by the gesture... for example,
see Sharon's comments.  I've found that I don't get along very well with 
women in the former group...our expectations tend to differ radically.
So I'm quite content to *not* open car doors, and if my date reacts
negatively that's a useful data point for me; a negative indicator
for whether we'd get along very well.  YMMV  :-)

-- 
-- Ray
Newsgroups: soc.singles
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:21:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.012442.18049@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>In article <Bz4LCE.Dry.1@cs.cmu.edu> Deborah_Brown@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu writes:
>>rohwerwd@netcom.com (Mr. Tickle Monster) writes:

			........................

>But you are making a HUGE assumption here -- you are assuming that the
>decision whether to give birth to a child, and the decision of how to
>assign the FINANCIAL LIABILITY for that child's support are inseparably the 
>same decision. That is the way it is viewed currently, but us reformers are 
>proposing a bifurcation of the issue into biological choices, on the one 
>hand, and financial choices, on the other. I agree that the woman should have 
>the right to abort. I have argued for that right long and hard in 
>talk.abortion. But, I see no reason why it should follow from that, that she 
>should get absolute power not only to assign HERSELF the financial liability 
>of the child's support, but to assign HIM the liability as well. I think the 
>liability determination should be made, by a neutral party, based on regular 
>negligence standards.

I maintain that, from the standpoint of equity, and I believe it SHOULD
be the legalities, the decisions MUST be the same.  It is only because
of religion-based "morality" that this is close to the case.  I have
proposed, in this group (misc. legal), that bringing a child to term
without, at a reasonable prior time at which abortion is possible, some
financially responsible individual or group directly accepting the
obligations, and agreeing to the rights, of the subsequent upbringing
and support, should be at least a major case of grand theft, and that
the consequences should include whatever is necessary to remove the
burden from society, or to compensate society for the burden.  Prison
should not be used, as nobody benefits from that.

Nobody should be able to produce a burden on someone else as stated above.
Both parties at conception acquire rights thereby, and the rights of both,
to bear or not to bear, should be respected.  In the event of a dispute 
over the subsequent action, it should be considered a non-trivial matter
of civil law.  Separating the biological and the financial choices, and
ignoring the interests of either to have, or not to have, the child, is
a perversion of equity.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
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Newsgroups: soc.singles,soc.women,soc.men,ba.singles,misc.legal
From: whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon)
Subject: Re: Pre-Sex Contract
Keywords: Kevin, shithouse-lawyer, rohwerd, bullshit-contract
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:52:51 GMT

Jesus Hyman Christ, people!  Were it not for the occasional glints of humour
in the writings of Desiree and Jackie, my "n" key would be worn out by now.

It just seems to me that you guys are so busy mindfucking around with contracts
that you'll never get down to the real thing, even were you to find some woman
willing after being exposed to your chilling psychological demeanors.  For
dog's sake, Kevin, "Wrt", and "tortious", yet?  Gawd, I'm soooo impressed!

Actually, in the case of K&R (and I don't mean Kernighan and Ritchie), I might
even suggest full emasculation as a total solution to your problems with the
determination of responsibility for fucking.  If you can't, you aren't!  EOP!

Happy holidays, gits,
Bill Whedon   whedon@netcom.com



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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Thanks for 7 inches
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:49:58 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec16.192626.6043@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@ironman.att.com (Piglet) writes:
>In article <15928@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|>In article <BzC13o.DIv@CAM.ORG> souchay@CAM.ORG (Francois Souchay) writes:
|>|
|>|The mountain doesn't care if you do the run, or avoid it entirely.
|>
|>Yes it does.  I skied everyday for three weeks with someone on a ski patrol
|
|
|He didn't say the _ski patrol_ doesn't care, he said the _mountain_
|doesn't care.  Geez, John, where's your glasses?  Or is it that you
|just washed your brain, and you can't do a thing with it??
 
Is that sort of like a bad hair day?  When he said "the mountain doesn't
care" I interpreted that as the resort which provides access to the mountain.
It's a term that I've heard before when describing a ski resort.  Since
the ski patrol pretty much has the final say about who skis where, and they
are employeed by the resort (yes, I know the National Ski Patrol are
volunteers), they were my proof to show that "the mountain" cares.  The
resort operators are also concerned about things like law suits and stuff.  

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From: tps@jptcs.COM (Tim Sailer)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Thanks for 7 inches
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:41:26 GMT
Organization: JPT Computer Solutions
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Mary (epperson@pop.stat.purdue.edu) wrote:
: I only *wish*...sorry folks, but I'm one of those who only wants snow
: once a year...on Christmas Day.
: 

Bah! I NEED snow... LOTSA SNOW.... I spent 8 years in the south and
suffered from severe withdrawl.. Now that I have another place in Maine,
we make sacrifices to the snow gods for lots of nice packing wet SNOW!
You have to experience 100+ mph on a Polaris Snowmobile to understand! :)
I'll always be part kid.... <wanders away singing " I don't wanna grow up, 
I'm a ..." >

Tim


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JPT Computer Solutions - SCO Sales/Consulting/Administration and Mangling
Port Jefferson Station, NY
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From: neilfp@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Neil F. Palumbo)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Over 40 and single....Anyone that "OLD"?
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:46:31 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Louise Billi (aa752@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: 
: 
: 
: Over 40 (just a tad) women have a terrible time of it.
: Men in that age group are all looking for the young "Tenderoni"
: to make him feel like a kid again.  Can't men realize that 
: most younger women see them as either a "Father Figure" or
: a "Sugar Daddy"?  Is that what they really want in a mate?
: 
: And it is sad today that wrinkles on a woman mean she is OLD, 
: yet on a man, they add character.  This 'youth oriented' 
: culture leaves the over 40 woman out in the cold.
: 
: Brrrrrrr.....
: 
: Louise
:

I would hardly consider a woman in her 40ies "left out in the cold".
I'm 34 and find many over 40 ladies VERY sexy and I KNOW that other men
feel the same way. Maybe you should find a new place to socialize :-)
Sounds like you're looking in the wrong places...