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From: rewald@stsci.edu
Subject: Professional's Choice products
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:49:53 GMT

In article <Bzq475.I0C@boi.hp.com>, kris@boi.hp.com (kris troxel) writes:
> I have had great luck with the Professional Choice "Sports Medicine Boots".
> While I haven't had to deal with a bowed tendon, I use my horses under very
> stressful situations for their legs. I find these boots provide support as 
> good as wrapping without the hassles. You don't have to worry wether or not
> you have cross wrapped under the fetlock correctly, or wether you have a
> wrinkle in the bandage. I had put off buying them due to the price, but
> have been very glad I finely broke down. 
> 
> Kris Troxel
> Cassie - Aussie/Border Collie X
> Shezza Brat - AQHA
> Smart Leo Lena - AQHA
> 

I just wanted to put in my remarks about the Professional Choice products!
I got their Miracle Knee Support, and it's wonderful!  It's for people knees -
I tore a ligament in my knee about 8 years ago, and sometimes it gets achy 
and/or needs support on long rides.  I wore it on my first 50 mile ride, and
it was very comfortable, easy to put on and adjust, and fit under my half-chaps.
They are pricey, but the human and equine products are offered with a 30 day 
trial option - you can return them (clean!) within 30 days for full money back,.

Rosalie
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lisaco@microsoft.com (Lisa Copeland)
Subject: Are you a serious dressage rider?
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:52:21 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: pnw


Do you have what it takes to sit at 'C'?
Are you a serious dressage rider who shows at second level or above?
Or, are you a serious dressage rider who just wants to learn
more about what dressage judges look for in a winning ride? 

If you are, then you should participate in the 1993 USDF Learner
Judge program sponsored by Whidbey Dressage Society!

This program of five sessions teaches the judges candidate what to
look for and how to score in a dressage test. With a passing score,
the learner judge is added to the USDF roster of learner judges 
who are qualified to teach at schooling shows and to then enter the
AHSA 'r' program. 

Even if you do not ever plan on judging but want to learn more, this
program is an excellent way to improve your ability to prepare your
self to have winning rides and %65 tests. 

Auditors are strongly encouraged, so even if you aren't second level
yet or are not able to pay for the program, auditing is an excellent
way to get alot out of this program. 

If you are interested, please contact me (Lisa Copeland, organizer
of this program) at (206) 668-3775 for more information!
From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: carnivorous horse
Date: 3 Jan 1993 15:09:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Well, my horses aren't really into eating meat or anything
(although my pony Feathers LOVES TEDDY GRAHAMS (he got 3
boxes for X-Mas) and the little hearts with sayings on 
them that come out around Valentines Day) but we had a 
cat, Theodore, that loved to eat part of our peanut butter
and jelly sandwiches and drank orange juice. We alos
have a cat named Maggie that occasionally gets her own
kiddie meal from McDonalds because she goes wild over
french fries and hamburgers. I guess we have really 
weird pets!!!
From: sknopp@vax (KNOPP, SHERRON)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Leads in Kentucky?
Date: 31 Dec 1992 12:24 EST
Organization: Williams College Center for Computing
Distribution: na
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Keywords: jobs land housing veterinary
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Hi Steve--
I live in Mass. now, but I'm FROM Kentucky and was just there over
Christmas.  You don't say in your post what kind of riding or horse
enthusiast your friend is, or if that's even important--but if it is
important, the mountains of eastern Ky are not the best place to go.
I'd choose some place in between Louisville and Lexington (I'm from
Louisville and an avid hunter/jumper rider).  Places like Shelbyville
and Versailles have country atmosphere but tons of quality stables
(and not just hunter/jumper--but dressage, eventing, saddle seat,
western, and of course racing).  They're not "rustic" though if
that's what your friend is really looking for.

Sherron Knopp
Williamstown, MA
sknopp@williams.edu
From: judy@valinor.mythical.com (Judy Labovitz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: nothing but good cheer
Keywords: ho ho ho
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 22:52:29 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems

I just thought I'd take this opportunity to wish everyone in
rec.equestrian a Happy Holiday season and a prosperous New Year.  As one
of my friends would say "You folks is okay people."

Best wishes to you all (sorry, the deep south has corrupted me :-) ) and
your four-legged friends.

Judy

   Judith A Labovitz               judy@valinor.mythical.com
                                   uunet!valinor!judy
            I bark, therefore I am.    ---- Rene Descarte's dog.        
Xref: sparky rec.equestrian:6339 misc.rural:2646
From: rdrob@med.unc.edu (Ricky Roberson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,misc.rural
Subject: Farm software?
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:19:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Originator: rdrob@cahaba

Is there such a thing *anywhere* such as a software package that might
help keep track of individual farm animals?  I find myself in need of
something to keep track of worming schedules, vaccinations, dosages, farrier
schedules, etc.  
If anyone has any thoughts/ideas about this, I would appreciate if you'd 
drop me a line.

Thanks,

Rick
From: china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: sel alt.sex.movies
Date: 22 Dec 92 17:36:01 +1100
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

I made a typo in my last post. I meant to say the body rope is good for 
correcting horses that DO bend away from the line of travel. Sorry.

- Ross
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Mares Equal Rights Amendment!
Date: 29 Dec 1992 15:03:11 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

: Proposal
: Decision: Should  Arabian  Purebred  Mares be allowed to have more than
: 	  one foal  that  can be  registered  with  the  Arabian  Horse
: 	  Registry per calender year?

: (Presumably via a special permit embryo transfer arrangement)

One of the greatest risks come from one issue.  Embryo transfer is not
cheap.  Add the cost of a permit and it is even more expensive.  This
effectively means that only those breeders with plenty of money will do it
regularly.  In all probability, you will have a skewed representation of
bloodlines, and those mares will probably be the get of some of the
overbred stallions.  

Who decides what bloodlines are desireable?  That is often a matter of
fad.  Remember it wasn't that long ago that looks were everything.  

Promoting more interest in the breed would be better served by more public
relations which promoted the Arabian as an all around horse.  The breed
has an unfortunate reputation for being flighty, hard to deal with and a
"beauty contest" horse.  My experience has been the opposite, but people
are often shocked to find that Sterling is an Arabian.  He doesn't fit
their expectations as he is a calm, 15.2h, moderate headed dressage horse
(with a pulled mane!).  A large nuber of Arabians are working as pony
hunters, but most of the time their breed is not discussed.  I find this a
sad state of affairs.  
 
While I do think that some embryo transfer should be allowed, perhaps
limiting the number of foals in a year, I also feel that the number of
foals a stallion may produce should be limited.  No one bloodline is
likely to be the salvation of a breed.  

Karen
From: suzy@vinnie.cuc.ab.ca (Susan Deike)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Broadcasting personal messages
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:34:23 GMT

This newsgroup has potential to be very informative and useful to a great 
number of people and on all sorts of topics.  Let's try not to let it 
become a medium for the exchange of pen-pal style messages.  If you wish
to exchange Christmas greetings, please use mail. 



--
Susan Deike:   voice 403-686-0310 |        
               fax   403-686-1254 |
reply c/o jonathan@vort.cuc.ab.ca |
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: 6042230@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Stallions
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:38:24 GMT


I have recently been offered a purebred registered Arabian colt, but with
all the talk of stallions, I'm almost afraid to take him. I have never had
a colt before. BTW, he is a yearling, and is supposedly well mannered. I
am going to see him on Dec. 28 and will let you know what I think.

Anyway, the problem is: If he is really great, should I take him? Any
thoughts would be appreciated.

Donna

From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:59:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Brags Re: Happy Solstice
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

Congratulations Greg!

That's super news. It's great to see someone have this kind of success
through hard work when the odds aren't exactly in their favor.
It's an inspiration for the rest of us (well, some of us anyway).
And I think having done the training yourself makes success all the sweeter.

Even though you didn't do any of the riding, you're still part of the
successful team. Do you know how much harder it would have been for them
to accomplish this without you? This applies to both the physical AND
the emotional support.

(You ARE going to celebrate, aren't you? )


Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: nothing but good cheer
Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:40:25 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu
Keywords: ho ho ho

I second that!  Happy Holidays, one and all!

Debbie
From: micha@moko.saar.de (Michael Bongartz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: Michael Bongartz, private UUCP site, Saarbruecken/Germany
Subject: Re: Seeking Information on Norwegianfjord Horses
Keywords: Norwegianfjord, Norwegian, Horses
Reply-To: micha@moko.saar.de
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:55:08 +0100

In <BzuItM.A5x@acsu.buffalo.edu>, Christian A. Ross writes:
> A friend without net access has recently acquired a Norwegian fjord horse,
> and is seeking information about it (which seems to be hard to come by). He
> is particularily interested about the horses history (esp. how it came to be
> imported into the United States), breeding, but general information would 
> also be appreciated.

Here in Germany Fjord horses are very popular. If you need special 
Information please write it, because a friend of mine has some fjords
and is well informated. If you have a fjord buyed be very careful with 
feeding it. Because Norwegian is a land without much feed for horses
they don't need much grain. If they have the possibility to eat grass
it is often enough for them. The gelding of my friend gets 1 kilo 
(2 pounds ) grain each day and he rides him 2 hours a day. 
If they eat to much albumen (is this the right expression ??)
they' ll get problems with theit legs and hoofs.
Fjords are very nice horses, they are very hard, work much and like
peoples. They like it to be outside, too in winter when there is
2 or 3 feed snow. It is no problem for them if the rider is weighty.
Mostly they are between 135 and 145 cm height, sometimes 150 cm.
Their mane is always standing. If you cut the mane so, that you can 
see the black 172 inch over the light it's called Norwegian, if you 
can't see the black it's Danish.

Bye Claudia and Lucky
c/o micha@moko.saar.de

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SnailMail: Michael Bongartz, Am Ordensgut 43, W-6600 Saarbruecken 1, Germany
From: sconway@megatest.UUCP (Sharon Conway)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: 1990 AQHA Futurity Pleasure Horse For Sale
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:58:36 GMT
Organization: Megatest Corporation, San Jose, Ca

Offering for Sale...

Elegant 1990 PAGE IMPRESSIVE filly
Trained by Mike Boyle, Sacramento, California
Shown by Amatuer

1992 Accomplishments
-Finalist, WCQHA Wine & Roses 2-year-old Non Pro.
-Finalist, WCQHA Wine & Roses 3-year-old & under Novice Amatuer
-Finalist, California Amatuer Quarter Horse Futurity 2-year-old Non Pro
-15 1/2 PCQHA points, 2-Year-Old Snaffle Bit (all points by Non-Pro)
-Quarter Horse Points, Open and Amatuer

This mare will be an All-Around.  She can Halter and stand-up for
Showmanship.  She has proven herself in Western Pleasure, and looks
cute going English.  She also is very handy...likes to change leads
and turn-around.  She is currently getting ready for 1993 Junior Trail
and Junior Western Pleasure.

She will make an Outstanding 3-Year-Old Pleasure Prospect.

Location: Los Altos, California
Price: $9000.00 (Firm)

For Inquiries, contact Sharon Conway   Home  (408) 923-4304
                                       Work  (408) 441-3155

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jlevy@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (janet.s.levy)
Subject: Re: Appaloosas are such wonderful horses!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:02:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.184558.7624@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> peb2g@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Penny E. Breyer) writes:
> I am so glad that the conversation has gotten onto a 
>subject that I can post about!  When I was 10 years old,
>my mother bought a 14 year old Leopard Appy named On
>The Spot for herself to ride and  enjoy.  Little did she
>know just how horse crazy I soon became!  Spotty was the
>ultimate horse to learn on - he knew all the tricks, made
>me look great, was the biggest sweetheart, etc. etc.
>
>The best part about an Leopard Appy (for those of you 
>wondering how a Leopard is different from your standard
>App) is the head to toe spots all over.  My horse had a white
>coat with small chestnut spots close together all over his 
>face.  The spots got bigger and darker as you headed toward
>his rump.  The result?  Dalmation Horse!!
>

You just reminded me of an anecdote I have to tell.  To set it up
properly, I was boarding my leopard App at a stables which mostly
was patronized by your run-of-the-mill horse-crazy women.  A new
boarder showed up who was somewhat different;  he was a distinguished
looking middle-aged gentlemen with a foreign accent (French?) who
owned a nice thoroughbred mare.  He would come out and hack this mare
around the indoor, always in a two-point position.  We never
saw him do any jumping, and as he was standoffish, he was the
subject of much curiosity.  He didn't really seem to know a lot
about horses and we wondered about his background and what if
anything he planned to do with the mare.

Now to get to my story - one day as I was watching my horse romp
around the outdoor arena during a turnout, this guy came up behind
me and spoke to me for the first time.  In his deep accent, he
said, "You know, you have a very unique horse there."  I immediately
wondered what he could possibly mean, so I just went, "Oh?"  He
replied, "Yes, he has spots, just like a Dalmatian."

I think Merlin was the first App this guy had ever seen!  I was
thinking about some snappy comebacks like, "Too bad he's gelded,
maybe I could start a new breed" but of course I just politely 
mumbled something.

Janet Levy
jsl@ihlpm.ATT.COM
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: Ruth Vale <rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: rear-face horse trailers - dealers
Originator: rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:07:31 GMT

In Message-Id: <9212232003.AA11232@watnow.uwaterloo.ca> I wrote:

>Can anyone give me specific names/addresses of dealers who handle
>rear-face horse trailers?  The only information I have at the moment
>is the name of a dealer in New Zealand which is just too far from
>central Ontario :-).  I'm looking for pictures, engineering details,
>specs for the hauling vehicle, maintenance costs, etc. and prices.
>Is there a market in used rigs of this type?  Anywhere within
>a day's drive of here is ok - i.e. northwest U.S. northern New York
                                    ^^^^^^^^^ 

Make that north EAST U.S.  The idea is that if I have to buy
this "across the border" that I can make the trip in a reasonable
time and get servicing as needed.

Thanks,

Ruth

-- 
=============================================================================
  I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am
    not sure you realize that what you understand is not what I meant.
=========================== rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca ======================
From: VBENJAM@uga.cc.uga.edu (Virginia Benjamin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE: Horse magazine subscriptions
Date: 21 Dec 1992 13:18:03 -0500
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

This time of year many magazines including horse-focused ones give special
discounted rates for gift or personal subs after the first subscription at
the regular price...which means for a mag like PRACTICAL HORSEMAN for example
the first sub may be $25.00 but the additional ones are only $12 each.
I have been giving 2 or 3 gifts of PH and EQUUS for a number of years now
and find the economics of the reduced rates very palatable (more for less as
they say...)  Also, the magazines supply attractive notification cards that
can be mailed with holiday greetings to the lucky recipients..
While it may be too late for '92, I would certainly encourage you to consider
magazines as gifts for the horsefolk on your '93 list...they may be a more
economical gift than would be apparent from the subscription price information
listed in a single issue for the first subscription. (P.S. The issues are
really enjoyed from what I hear and each issue gives the recipient a gentle
reminder to think kindly about the giver...who could ask for more?)

virginia
athens, ga.
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Traveling with your horse
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:26:41 GMT
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
NNTP-Posting-Host: potato.intel.com
In-reply-to: susie@cv.vortex.com's message of 18 Dec 92 22:16:17 GMT


susie@cv.vortex.com (Susie Hirsch) writes:
] 1) Safety on the road

Stick to the interstates, don't be in a rush, have an escort car
with a radio link. The last is very useful for monitoring the horses
on the move, scraping off tailgaters and making space in a lane
when you need to get to an exit.

] 2) Preferable equipment (truck and trailer features, etc.)

We towed two horses and a lot of gear with a Ford F150 4WD
with a 5.0L gas V8 and an automatic transmission. Dual tanks
were very useful. The trailer was a Valley four-horse semi-stock
that we had made removable plexiglass covers for the windows of.
The horses rode free : one in the fornt half, one in the back
( there's a divider ).

] 3) Feeding your horse while traveling

We carried our own hay ( 4 bales ), grain and water. We wound up
wasting more hay than we expected and bought more bales about
half-way thru. We eased the horses into the new hay. We also
carried 24 gallons of water on racks on the horse trailer.

] 4) Emergency supplies (for humans and horses)

Two blankets per horse came in useful. Other than that, we
carried the usual around-the-barn stuff, miscellanious hand
tools for working on the truck or trailor, and a hunting rifle
in case we had to put a horse down after an accident.

] 5) Any other related suggestions

Don't try it alone. Stop at no more than four hour intervals and
take the horses out for a stretch for half an hour. Don't drive
more than 8 hours in one day. Get shots for every state you will
pass thru ( talk to your vet, call the various state's agricultural
departments for info ).

We did all this, and our horses finished the 5-day trip in great shape.

] I am also interested if anyone knows of a directory that lists
] overnight accomodations where you can stay with your horse
] (like a horsey hotel)? 

Try 
	Equine Travelers of America. Inc.
	P.O. Box 322,
	Arkansas City, KS 67005

	(316) 442-8131

We used their directory services when we trucked our two horses
from Virginia to Arizona. We stayed in an equine B&B, a couple of
private stables, and a couple of rodeo/auction complexes.
The equine B&B in Kentucky was especially nice.

] I would love to be able to take my horse with me when I go on
] vacation.  I'm anxious to hear from anyone who does this sort
] of thing, and can offer any suggestions.

We were moving, not going on vacation. Having the horses with us
consumed a lot of time, so think twice about doing it.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: re: more on bowed tendons
Date: 25 Dec 92 10:09:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


	The subject of blistering with regard to bowed tendons was just
brought up so I thought I'd respond.
	Blistering is no longer considered to be of any therapeutic use
for treating bowed tendons.  All it does is scar the outside skin and
cause more damage to the leg but in another area.  It is now thought
that the only therapeutic value from blistering comes from the stall rest that
the horse gets from the stressful work that caused the injury in the
first place.  People used to think that blistering was useful in order
to bring increased circulation to the area of the bow, and to increase
the strength of the tendon in that area by scarification.  Both of these
assumptions are wrong.  Recent research shows that the tendon heals 
from the inside out using circulation from blood vessels that are within
the tendon itself.  NO AMOUNT of blistering can affect the circulation
within those blood vessels.  In addition scarification does not increase
the strength of either skin or tendons in the area, quite the opposite
it weakens the skin and/or tendon and causes the weakened areas to be
more prone to further tearing; thus the focus now is on helping the
bow to heal with as little scarring as possible.  To this end, laser
therapy and a few other high tech therapies are considered to be somewhat
useful in increasing circulation to the area of the bow, however the
best recommendation for increasing circulation is early non-stressful
physical therapy, in other words allowing the initial onset symptoms to
pass and beginning very slow easy work starting with walking and moving
up from there.
	For the woman who asked the question in the first place, with a
bow and a fracture or other damage you are looking at more than most
people have to deal with and thus no simple answer is available.  Early
mobilization is considered therapeutic with both humans and horses in
the cases of simple clean fractures, or simple clean bows, however
this may not be possible if the fracture has not "set" or if the injury
includes something like a ligament pull as well which deprives the
horse of some support for the other injured elements of the leg.  Perhaps
a call to a veterinary research center such as UC Davis or Cornell or
Tufts would be of assistance in helping you and your vet to figure out
the best things to do for your horse.  Good luck and please let us know
the outcome!

					Tracy and everybody
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