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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:22:10 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <l6urdoINNpis@nunki.usc.edu> silverma@nunki.usc.edu (David Silverman) writes:
>How many times does it gnerally take to pass the black belt test?
>Someone earlier said they passed on the third try, in the art I'm
>studying you get only one chance (of course they're pretty sure you'll
>pass if they let you take it).

What happens if you flunk? Do they use you for tameshigiri or something?

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: dccarr@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (david.c.carr)
Subject: Re: rank tests
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:30:38 GMT

From article <Bs62r8.Gt8@apollo.hp.com>, by stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave):
> In article <1992Jul29.181228.10510@orionsci>, goodwin@orionsci (Ben
> Goodwin) writes:
> |> Which reminds me, do any of you have to take checkup exams?  Every year
> |> we see a sign posted stating that the blackbelts must take a checkup
> |> exam.
> 
> In my current school and my last school, all blackbelts had to test twice
> a year - either a promotional test or a "refresher" test (yeah, we *all*
> feel refreshed after these ;-))

I'm curious - do you have to pay (as in $$$) for these
"refresher/checkup" tests?


Dave Carr
isshin shorinji ryu okinawa te
ronin, wa bun bushi no michi
"Don't push the river, but don't pull no punches."
david.c.carr@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: kpbg3203@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kestutis P. Boyev)
Subject: Re: Books on Chi/Ki 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:51:14 GMT

    Probably you should check out books by Yang Jwang-ming and Mantak Chia.

					K. Paul Boyev
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Spanish TKD forms book
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:24:14 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil's message of 29 Jul 92 15:55:52 GMT


In article <1992Jul29.155552.6037@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:

   Hi, I need a pointer to spanish language forms, general technique,
   books for WTF and/or ITF Tae Kwon Do.  Muchas Gracias

Jhoon Rhee did a series of books on the ITF forms in English and Spanish.
--


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From: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:08:41 GMT
Reply-To: stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Jul29.164241.4373@PA.dec.com>, stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com
(Todd I. Stark) writes:
|> When it comes down to it, after all the reasons have been analyzed,
|> I think it comes down to ritual.  The test is a ceremonial event,
|> a rite of passage both public and private.
|> 
|> It really has nothing neccessarily to do with skill and technique goals.
|> I'd have to ask 'why doesn't your instructor already  know what
|> you can do and what you can't do, why does he/she need to test you 
|> in a public event just to know what you can do ?'  Unless of course
|> the test is for a license to be a demonstrator or performer.
|> 
One reason I have heard is to see how the student performs under pressure.
Admittedly, spectators and masters staring at you shouldn't make any
difference, but it often does (I know it does for me).

Also, it isn't always one's own instructor that is doing the grading.  It
can be thought of as getting a second opinion.

Joel Stave
stave@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin)
Subject: Re: years for black belt
Reply-To: goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin)
Organization: Orion Scientific, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:12:28 GMT

In article <ACEVEDO.92Jul29095801@hippocrene.mit.edu> acevedo@mit.edu (Raul Acevedo) writes:
>In article <MARY.92Jul27162650@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM
>(Mary Malmros) writes: 
>
[major snip]
>   year.  Then, one day in between classes, sabumnim calls you over 
>   and gives you your new belt.
>
>I've often thought that "promotion" like this is better than the
>standard test.  Any other comments? 

Hum, if you mean promotion by just having the instructor give you your
belt in class rather than formal testing, I would disagree.  I've been
told that the formal testing gets your adrenalin pumping, gets you scared,
and makes you nervous.  My Master says its one of they ways the try to 
simulate a real world atmosphere.  Also, its kind of cool to receive your new
belt in front of the class, an honor one might say.

As for conditionals.  I was told that everyone who receives their first
degree in our school has to test again six months later.  Its only a
checkup I'm told, but its a type of conditional.  Namely, if you go
to pot in those six months you will be sorry. :)

Which reminds me, do any of you have to take checkup exams?  Every year
we see a sign posted stating that the blackbelts must take a checkup
exam.

>--
>Raul J. Acevedo
>acevedo@MIT.EDU
-- 

-Ben
From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Aikidog was: Dog Techniques
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:12:38 GMT
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

Albert E. Chou writes:
>Sorry if I'm cross-posting with anyone, but I just wanted to throw in my
>2 cents about a dog not feeling pain from a 6-foot fall.  Biomechanically,
>that kind of fall for a dog just isn't as serious as it is for a human.
>It has everything to do with size and mass and how forces and materials
>properties scale with them.

I'm certainly not a biomechanic :-)  But I have seen a lot of
dogs that seem scared to jump off even a 4' wall.  I have also
see dogs that have done such a jump come up limping.

Perhaps the cause of this is one of two things:
	- most dogs don't spend a lot of time practicing falling
	techniques

		OR

	- dogs may not be as well adapted to falls as humans, their
	joints (knees) don't flex as well so they receive more shock
	in shoulders/haunches.

:-)

PS  Yogi the MA dog asked me to ask ya'll if he could make an 
appearance at the East Coast MA gathering, at least on Sunday. 
===================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: cherry@access.digex.com (Cherry Poptart)
Subject: Re: Options
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 05:25:50 GMT




>....*my* first thought is, it's not gonna do her any damn good in her purse.
>
>("Oh, excuse me, could you hold on just a minute please? I just *know* I
>  have a weapon in here *somewhere*....")
>
>-Lauren
>

Funny about that; been there, done that,
hated it ;-(    A purse doesnt do the 
job when you are trying to get your car
keys into the lock; better to be wearing 
whatever weapon you have, in a place where 
you can get to it.  Saves you all sorts of
time, and annoying little questions like 
"what is your blood type".  

But it *does* limit your fashion choices...

Cherry

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,soc.men
From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: women, training, && violence
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:51:00 CDT

In article <1992Jul31.133009.24044@prl.philips.nl> mcardle@prl.philips.nl (Owen McArdle) writes:
>[ Apologies for the massive quotations - I couldn't see a way around it.
>Plus, on re-reading this sounds very flame-ish, but I can't think of a
>`cooler' reaction]

I will try to make this short and not quote so much. My 'arguments' 
with Joseph's post were with what seemed to be implied from taking
a paragraph of words all together. There were no bald statements 
one way or another, so I stated what *I* interpreted he said, why I
disagreed, and asked if my interpretation was correct. 

The paragraph that is not substantially different from what Joseph
said was an attempt at subtlety. I quoted him as directly as I could,
and replaced references to females and males with references to
"Americans" and "foreigners". 

Sometimes if you swap genders, or cultures, or species, or whatever in 
a set of sentences, the trend of the thought becomes more obvious. We are 
frequently inured to stereotypes we have heard too often. 

For example, if, in America, you heard a mother talking to her teenager 
saying "You're attractive and you have a nice figure.  You can sew 
beautifully, and if you could just learn to improve your cooking a little, 
and watch your weight, you could catch somebody nice, like maybe a doctor 
or a lawyer, and settle down in a nice little house all your own and start 
a family", you would probably be pretty surprised if you turned around 
and Mom was talking to her son, wouldn't you?

For another example, " All <   > like chicken and watermelon, 
are great dancers, are great at sports, but can't swim". Most Americans
will have been unable to prevent filling in the parentheses with the
usual cliche - whether they believe it or not - we've all heard it 
over and over. If the parentheses were filled in with "Brunettes" or
"Germans", people here would be surprised and confused. Few people
would make such a statement about all brunettes or all Germans, but
you'd be surprised how many people would agree with the expected cliche.

I took Joseph's paragraph and switched references in it to try to point
out the subtle discrimination I thought was inherent in the concepts.
If his paragraph sounded fine to you, and mine sounded WRONGWRONGWRONG, 
then I was successful. If not - oh well. And again, if I misunderstood
Joseph, I apologize.

-Lauren
 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: women, training, && violence
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:32:45 CDT

In article <1992Jul29.231857.5104@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:


 ... yes, I'm responding to "myself"...

... sorry wharfie, all references to "Sweet Magnolia" should have been
"Sugar Magnolia", of course. Wouldn't want to offend...

-Lauren
 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Weapons
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:30:17 GMT

In article <l796ouINNmem@west.west.sun.com> garth@dojo.West.Sun.COM writes:
>
>California is a hard state for weapons...
>
>I haven't heard if this has changed or not, but it used to be that
>carrying a firearm was only a misdemeanor

First offense is a misdemeanor, felony thereafter.  Of course, even
though it's "only" a misdemeanor, you'll lose the weapon and spend
time (90 days?) in jail.  The cops arresting you will probably not
be gentle, either.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: shawmd@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael D Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Mail Order Knives
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:18:56 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Jul27.130507.15453@Arco.COM>, dbgbes@edp.arco.com (Bruce Shellenbaum) writes:
> In article <13733@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut) writes:
> |> In article <1992Jul24.174628.3206@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, dougw@astro.as.arizona.edu (Doug Williams) writes:
> |> > 
> |> > 	Does anyone out there in netland know of any reputable mail order
> |> > companies that market knives/daggers.  I have heard about Spyderco (sp?)
> |> > blades, and would like to know where to purchse them and what people think of
> |> > them.
> |> 
> |> 	I've had good luck with The Cutlery Shoppe (800-231-1272).
> |> 
> |> -- 
> |> 		Brian A. Ehrmantraut
> |> 
> 
>           I'll second that, I've had zero trouble with the Cutlery Shoppe
> and I've ordered several times, normally my order is on my doorstep the next
> afternoon.
> 
> 
> Bruce Shellenbaum
> dbgbes@edp.arco.com



I'll third that!  Check out the swords they have too!

Mike Shaw
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell)
Subject: Re: boardbreaking and quantam physics
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:11:06 GMT

RXTL20@WACCVM.corp.mot.com writes:
>As part of becoming a certified TKD instructor in my style (Songahm TKD
>via ATA), I need to submit a thesis-type paper.
>I'm contemplating something like 'the physical laws underlying board-
>breaking' (and their application to teaching it).
>Anybody know of somereading on this?

		Scentific American had an article, about 1979, analysing
boardbreaking. I think Ron McNair (one of the Challenger 7) was one author,
can't think of the other. It was basically Newtonian physics, nothing quantum
involved in the analysis.

>PS is there any MA like 'typing-do'?? :-)

		Greenoch covers it in tartan belt (or is it plaid?)

>My current efforts are like 'typing-jutsu'!! :-)

		Mine are clatter & hope school! :-S
-- 
Derek Bell {dbell%maths.tcd.ie,belld%{unix1,vax1}.tcd.ie}@cunyvm.cuny.edu 
	Why am I worried about someone named Azathoth looking for 
Call of Cthulhu players? -- Geoffron, mephron@tronsbox.xei.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Subject: Re: boardbreaking and quantam physics
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:16:31 CDT

In article <1992Jul22.173404.1232@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>In article <Brsont.Bnu@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> butscher@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Adrian Butscher) writes:
>>Hmmm...
>>
>>The Quantum Mechanics of board breaking?  I'm not too sure if that's the way
>
>OK, OK, OK...let's get a board, some cyanide, a karate-ka in a cat suit, and
>a BIG airtight box...
>
>This is, of course, the famous Schrodinger's Tameshiwari thought experiment.
>
>The cat suit is *not* optional.
>
>Steve


..... all you guys are gonna want Michelle Pfeiffer for this, aren't you...

-Lauren



Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: bba@donuts3 (Binayak Banerjee)
Subject: Re: Dog Techniques
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:13:04 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:

: One of the weak points we covered was the hollow just behind the chin.
: (Put your thumb on the bottom of the tip of your chin, and slide it in
: towards your neck about an inch to where it's softer; put your first few
: fingers on the front of your chin, about even with the bottoms of your front
: teeth; now pinch hard and dig your thumb in.) We were told this point is
: pretty effective if a dog has bitten you and won't let go.

Whenever I had to deal with a dog with jaws clamped shut -- I would
pinch just in front of where the jaws hinged.  This would open the
mouth quite quickly.

Of course this was done in order to administer medication to an obstinate
German Shephard.  I'm not quite sure what I would have done if the jaw
had been clamped to one of my extremities.

BTW -- the dog in question had a real ``reputation'' in the neighborhood where
I grew up, due to his penchant for voluble barking at anyone approaching
our front gate.  We spread the word that he was a guard dog who patrolled
the house at night.  In actuallity,  he slept on my bed -- and snored all
night.  We never had a burglary, although many of our neighbors did.
He died a few months ago at the age of 15.  I still miss him.


-- Binayak
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Judo and Tai Chi?
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:59:36 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Jul30.201823.22941@cs.brown.edu> jhc@iris.UUCP (James H. Coombs) writes:
>me: if you tighten up, then you will be thrown.

	no, if you tighten up you won't be thrown but you can't throw,
either.
From: dcwst8+@pitt.edu (David C Winters)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Questions about Pentjak Silat, et al.
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:55:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Howdy.

I found a flier yesterday that looks interesting, so I thought I'd ask
some questions about it.

It advertises classes in Pentjak Silat, an Indonesian system, taught at
the Martial Arts Institute, Inc., in Monroeville, PA.  Aside from the
pentjak silat itself, also mentioned in the two logos on the paper: 
Cun Tao, Kali, Chi Kung, and Poekoelan Tjimindie.

The questions:

Has anyone heard of this school?  What is it's reputation?
Of the named arts, do they have good reputations, or are any of them
"designer arts?"  What weapons, if any, are used?  What techniques, or
bodies of techniques, are stressed (throws, strikes, kicks, weapons,
etc.)?

I realize that I'm asking many, many questions, but I'm looking to get
back into MA after a several-year hiatus, and I'm interested in checking
out some of the "non-mainstream" arts.

TIA.


--
David Winters  
dcwst8@unix.cis.pitt.edu OR winters@vms.cis.pitt.edu

          Illigitimi non carborundum.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: History of Korean MA
From: operator@anasaz (System Operations)
Date: 19 Jul 92 02:03:46 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az
Summary: Hwarang Do vs. Kuk Sul Hwan

->>completely removed from that and any other organisation). Kim didn't have 
->>anything to do with the Lee twins (who wrote the 3 Vol set), but the 
->>material is essentially the same - there is a lot of commonality with 

It is true that Kuk Sul and Hwarang Do are very similar, but look at the 
Grandmasters and compare.  Perhaps this gentleman(Kim) studied under Grandmaster
Joo Bang Lee or Joo Sang Lee, as that is the only way to explain the 
identical knowledge.  Kuk Sul is an offshoot of the modern Hwarang Do, though 
there are some excellent practicioners.  Please prove otherwise.

Stephen Vadnais  Hwarang Do practicioner
From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Taijiquan
Date: 29 Jul 92 00:36:37 GMT
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

kingj@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John C. King) writes:
> I want something interesting to do with my body. (No rude comments, please)
> I run two miles a day now.  Increased flexibility especially of my hips and
> legs is one goal.  Something that requires concentration and focus is
> another.  Self defense is not a consideration.  Is Taijiquan what I'm
> looking for or is there something else?

	Sounds like a perfect fit.

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: The swarm
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:05:35 GMT

In article <23342@alice.att.com> garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson) writes:
>
>I've found sparring multiple opponents to be a great training
>exercise.  Lots o' fun, too!  In the following, I'm *not*
>referring to doing it with kids, but with big folks.
>You'd have to be awful careful with kids involved.

I find it pretty easy to spar with the kids since I have a very
defensive style.  The guy I always test with doesn't do it with his
kids students because is always aggressive (we balance each other
pretty well).  Taking on 10+ kids is no problem, as long as their
sizes are not too different.  With big and little kids in a big
pile, the little ones tend to get run over (the big kids are 
about 5th to 6th kup).

As for taking on multiple big opponents, I think fighting three
people is about the most you NEED to spar.  Anything over that
is not that great of an increase in difficulty.  

How about discussing techniques used?  So far I've successfully used:

1.  Redirected Roundhouse:  Dodge an opponent's roundhouse, speeding
    it on with your hand and redirecting it into another opponent
    (kind of like opening a gate).

2.  Redirected Flying Kick:  Too easy.  Just guide your flying 
    opponent way past you.

3.  Scooped Side Kick:  Scoop the Side Kick either to the side, or
    even better, scoop it out as you move back, making your 
    opponent do a Jean Claude split on the ground.  You can do this
    in TKD even if you can't grab the leg.

4.  Simple Leg Sweep: Ok, so this one is a cheat in TKD, but our
    instructor lets us get away with it in multiple person sparring.
    But you have to be careful about where you throw your opponents
    when there's a bunch of other people on the floor.

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Dirty Dozen VS. Seagal
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:33:10 GMT
Organization: I'm not allowed to say.

In article <osborn.712284639@dragon> osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:
>Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson) writes:
>
>>     On Entertainment Tonight , they reported where Seagal had made
>>claims of being a CIA operative during the 60's and 70's, and had been on
>>their "HIT" squad. But when the CIA was contacted about this claim they 
>>said they had never heard of Seagal until after his movie carrer....
>
>As with all spook things, denial == confirmation. Therefore, Seagal, who
>claimed he worked for the CIA, actually DID (as an operative so secret
>that he wasn't aware of it). The CIA probably claims (consistently) that
>they believe he is an actor...

Not so fast, there, Tomasso.  They know that we know that
denial == confirmation.  Therefore, if they really wanted to hide an
operative's identity, they wouldn't deny it at all -- they'd confirm it!

On the other hand, they know that we know that they know, so if they
wanted to confirm -- uh, I mean deny, an agent -- then, they'd --
uhmm...yes, deny that he (or she, so as not to be sexist -- heck, we
might assasinate people, but at least we're not sexist about it) -- uhmmm,
what was I saying again, oh, yeah, they'd deny it.

Or confirm it.

I guess.

-- 
Peter Hahn           |hahn@network.com|"...In Peking, he told me, there lived a
7600 Boone Ave. N    |+1 612 424-4888 |famous boxer who dropped down from three
Brooklyn Park, MN USA|                |stories onto an interior courtyard
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