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From: KUSHNIRT@axe.humboldt.edu
Subject: TAPERS: Multi-band Trade
Reply-To: KUSHNIRT@axe.humboldt.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:47:27 GMT

Over the past few months, I have been taping a lot of shows that have been   
happening around our small Northern California community of Arcata.  As a 
result, I have a good collection of the local and regional acts that are touring
the west coast.  These bands include: Jambay (from seattle), Skankin' Pickle
(S.F.), Zero (S.F.), Merle Saunders (S.F.), Small Fish (Arcata), Jon Lukas   
(Arcata).  There are many more, but what I would like to do is hook up with
other tapers across the country that are taping the local acts in their     
communities and create a "multi-band Tree".

The way this tree would work is that if you tape unknown, or local bands,
you would send me a list of the bands that you tape and where they're from and 
the general quality and source of most of the tapes. For example, I would send
the above list along with the information that all were taped onto a TASCAM
4-track with two tracks being a stereo soundboard feed and the other two tracks
ambient microphones.

Once the various lists are compiled I would take the band that each person tapes the most and say to that person, take your best tape of said band and make 
five copies for the people on this list. Each of the tapes that gets sent will
have a different band come back on the return trade.  For example, I send out
five Jambay tapes to five people who tape five different bands that I''ve never
                                                                                 heard.  Those five people in return send me a copy of thier "too new to
be known band" and in the end I have my one Jambay tape and five new bands'
tapes.

I know this sounds confusing, but I really want to get a hold of these     
new bands that everyone is talking about on the net.

These new bands would be Omar Saeed, ARU, Hypnotic Clambake, and any others that I can't remember.
If anyone is interested please write me personally at :
KUSHNIRT@axe.humboldt.edu
thanks
TODD
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Jeff Maggard 10-Nov-1992 1204 <maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Personal to Scott Holdren
Reply-To: maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:36:18 GMT


Scott Holdren, if you want a copy of "Sluggo's complete guide to Cornell and
Ithaca" you'll have to send me an INTERNET mailing address.  The bitnet
Mailer-daemon barfs with your current BITNET address.

OPC:  "Sluggo's Complete Guide to the Cornell Phish Show" ...

Anybody else who wants a guide (which included directions, bar/restaurant
reviews, and items of interest in the area) e-mail me at:

    maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com
    
and please include an internet address.  

Cheers!

- jeff (Sluggo) maggard
From: kell0040@student.tc.umn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: first post
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:39:33 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

gareetings...

	So I walk into Applause record store today all ready to plop down 
$26.99 for the Talking Heads double disk that I've putting off when I see


			Yow Mamma...!!!

The new Phish disc. Just wanted all you to know that I bought my copy for
a whopping $0.47, uh maybe. I am a bit surprised that you all are paying
upwards of twenty bucks for your Phishsticks. I bought my tickets 2 for
$9.00, as it was a Tuesday( get it 'two'sday, get it).

	And that's another thing don't you'll care about my little dot on
the map. Phish is/are(hmmm... please don't be a weenie and post the
correct one) a-hem=> playing at First Avenue in Minneapolis Minnesota on
Dec 7th. First Ave. could be a rather chill place to catch the boys. And
tix is/are (hmmmm ...) reallly cheap, That is ifn you buy them an a 'Two"sday
(get it '2'sday, get it?)

Ladleboy=>
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Jeff Maggard 10-Nov-1992 1226 <maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com>
Subject: DAT for DAT trade offer
Reply-To: maggard@subpac.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:37:27 GMT


I've got a crispy SBD copy of the Catalyst (Santa Cruz, CA, '91) show on DAT 
and I'm looking to trade for another show!  This is a DAT ONLY trade offer.

- jeff
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Joshua Rappaport <ST801423@brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject: 10.20.89??
Reply-To: ST801423@brownvm.brown.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:42:35 GMT

Hey Pholks--
            Anyone with a copy of HPB or just a clue... Over the past year or
so I have accumulated several tapes marked "10.20.89 The Front, Burlington".
Well over 200 minutes of Music in all, some with horns, some without-- a couple
 of songs are repeated between the different tapes.  What I have is:
      set I: Dog Log, Yamar, Hole, Harpua-> Col. Forbin-> Mockingbird,
             Oh-ke-pah, Reba, Antelope.
      Set II: I didn't know, AC/DC, Donna Lee, Split Open, Harry Hood, Jam,
              Hole, Slave to the Traffic Light, Antelope(????)
     Set III: No Dogs Allowed, Walk Away, Dinner-Movie, La Grange
   Totally Random: Swing Low Sweet Chariot, Rocky Top, Tiela, Divided Sky

           I have omitted repetitions other than the Antelope which could
 quite reasonably close either set.  Does anyone know what *did* go on at The
 Front that night?  How much of this music is from that date?? Anyone have the
 correct order? Why do I care? Less that a week until St. Mike's!! Thanx all
                                  --Joshua
From: MARKUS BRAKHAN <71201.1016@compuserve.com>
Subject: re: Scalpers
Reply-To: 71201.1016@compuserve.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:03:03 GMT

 I disagree that there should be a federal law against the reselling of
tickets. I base this conclusin on the assumption that wherever there is
a demand for something, there is a market. Why create another black
market? The only long term solution to the scalping problem is simply
not to buy from them. I also _approve_ of ticket trading as a means of
obtaining tickets for shows to which access is difficult.
 I repeat my idea that bar-coded tickets and strict sales limits would
significantly reduce the demand for tickets from unauthorized vendors
because of the increased risk of being turned down at the door. 
Bar-coded tickets would still be bearer instruments, that is admit
one, the holder of the ticket, and thus would be giftable and
tradable, but speculating on their value would carry risks that would
outweigh the possible benefit that could be received. I also repeat
that there should be a variety of methods of obtaining tickets, i.e. 
cash at the box office, charge at box office and on the phone, mail
order for cash or its equivalent. 
 One of the things I've noticed about the black market for Dead tickets
is that because you have a lot of people going to more than one show on
any given tour, there is _somewhat_ less demand because there will
always be tomorrow. Super popular bands who do only gig per city are
more likely to draw a crowd that will pay too much for one ticket, 
because, I believe, people rationalize the purchase with a theory
something like "when am I going to get to see this again?" Bands that
tour a lot develop a certain hysteria around their shows which
certainly contributes to the demand for tickets, but how many times are
you gonna pay ($30, $40, $50+ ?) to hear "Black Peter" just to get one
"Dark Star". . .
 Legally, there also may be some recourse. Some states limit one's
right to transfer personal service contracts. I know that Phish is
organized as a partnership, but it is not immediately clear how they
have registered their intellectual property. Phish's legal counsel
should, I believe, pursue this theory. Obligatory disclaimer: the
foregoing is not intended as legal advice, but rather is meant to
contribute to the discussion on possible means of controlling
speculation on Phish concert tickets.
MARKUSMARKUSMARKUSMARKUSMARKUSMARKUSMARKUSMARKUSMARKUSMARKUSMARKUSMARKUS
"I can help you with your quest to gain the knowledge that you lack."
". . .and I get on my knees and pray. . .we don't get fooled again."


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From: Joshua Rappaport <ST801423@brownvm.brown.edu>
Subject: St Mike's ticket grovel
Reply-To: ST801423@brownvm.brown.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:27:35 GMT

Hey Now--
         One of my friends had his St. Mike's ticket fall through.  Any extras
 to be had?? He'll pay whatever it cost you, and I'll sweeten the deal with a
 tape or two.  Or we can work out a tapes-for-tix trade, I've got about 100
 hours.  Thanks.
                --Joshua
From: G_ORFANAKIS@ccnode.colorado.edu (Josh Orfanakis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: SET LIST
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:46:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Nov10.014623.27484
Reply-To: G_ORFANAKIS@ccnode.colorado.edu
Organization: The Internet

What was the set list from the Boston Garden show on Oct. 30. How were they
in that size venue?
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: brian.feller@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: Packaging; NYE Hotels
Reply-To: brian.feller@um.cc.umich.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:56:05 GMT

 Howdy Pholks!
 
 Doug Coe writes:
 
 I do recall, though, as I was opening the longbox, noticing:
"printed on recycled cardboard" somewhere on the box...
 
I didn't notice that, and that is great that they use 
at least some recycled materials. 
 A general feeling I get is that many people aren't in
favor of packaging like the OFTV releases, due to
its short life span. I definitely agree with that
opinion, but the life of the packaging depends somewhat
on how well you take care of your property. I know 
album collectors that have albums that are 20 years
old, and they look relatively new. This is because
they handled them with care. The amount of plastic
that has been generated from jewel cases in the last
ten years or so since the CD came out is immense. I
read an article in Garbage magazine that has the figure,
and it's staggering, although I can't remember it.
There has to be a more sound way of packaging CDs
without compromising the life of the package. I think
one of the main reasons we haven't seen more attempts
to revamp the whole thing is the special interest
group that fights to keep the jewel boxes. Dow is, I
believe, the patent holder on the jewel box, and they 
want to continue to make their $$$$. They funnel a 
lot of money into this group, and have done a great
job at keeping the record companies from attempting
any switch.
 
 Hotels for NYE:
  A friend of mine called and got two rooms at the
Days Inn in Newton, MA, which is just outside of
Boston. I don't know if they have any rooms left,
but it's worth checking out. The rate we got was
$49 per night. If you want to get a hotel inside
the city, expect to pay $100 at least for a room,
and I bet we'd be hard pressed to find a hotel that
could give a group of rooms for netters inside the
city. 
 
           Take care-Brian
brian.feller@um.cc.umich.edu
 
ps- Are people sick of this packaging discussion. I
would like to hear some more opinions, and I will
hunt up figures for the amount of trash created
by longboxes and jewel cases, and also info on the
Jewel Manufacturers group.-bf
From: jeff@tutef.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: StonyBrook Info
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:54:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Nov11.005406.8733
Reply-To: jeff@tutef.physics.sunysb.edu
Organization: The Internet

Hi Everyone!

I've mailed out the SB info-phile to everyone who asked. I think
one copy of it bounced, so if you emailed me and didn't get it,
that's probably you. Send me an email with your address in
the text of the message, 'cause the reply-to header is foo'ed.

I'm probably not going to post it, 'cause it's kind of long, 
and I don't want to inflict it on the digest readers who
aren't going to SB. So if you want it, email me. It now includes
some general comments on SB, directions, possible spots for 
gatherings or just meeting spots, rudimentary ascii maps of
the campus and surrounding roads, and suggestions for after-show
food and supply possibilities.

I am updating it to include directions from the South too.

Those of you coming from New England might want to consider taking
one of the ferries, especially the Bridgeport-Port Jefferson
one. Port Jefferson is only about 10 min. from SB.

Share in the groove,
Jeff.
-- 
--------------------------------------------
Jeff Althoff    jeff@insti.physics.sunysb.edu
From: fromm@rock.enet.dec.com (Rich Fromm - 'Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.'  12-Nov-1992 1738)
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: one more junta comment/question
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:57:53 GMT
Reply-To: fromm@rock.enet.dec.com
Organization: The Internet

at the "end" of icculus, the band reaches this moment where it seems that 
they're about to break into an incredible jam, and then the song is just over; 
it's like this on the disc, and on every other version of icculus that i've 
heard; do they ever play any more?  it seems like such a tease, as if it's just 
to piss people off that there's not more; it really feels like it could be the 
beginning of a cool tune; and to end an album like that?

bouncing,
- rich

another question...i'm listening to 3/12/88 @ nectar's (live gamehendge) right 
now, and i just noticed something really bizarre; everything sounds normal 
during the music, but during the narration, when the overall volume level is 
pretty quiet, there are intermittent periods of momentary silence when trey 
isn't saying anything; there's always something when trey is talking, and 
occasional snippets of background audience chatter when he's not, but when 
nothing really is going on, there's a sudden cut-off, followed by a 
re-emergence when trey starts talking again; during the silence, i can hear a 
fair amount of noise (i obviously possess an nth generation tape, where n is a 
large number), but it seems that there is no original signal; do any people 
tape with decks that are activated by a certain level of sound input, and pause 
otherwise?
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: BGILLESPIE%COLGATEU.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Subject: Hey Trey!
Reply-To: BGILLESPIE%COLGATEU.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:52:52 GMT

Greetings and salutations to Trey,
   Thanks for listening to what everybody has to say. It means a lot to know
that you care about the netters and what they think. Have a great fall tour
and we'll see you soon. We are all excited about the new stuff. Pecae.

-Bobby

PS How about considering a gig at Colgate
-We have the largest number of netters and we are a really small school. :')
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole)
Subject: Terrapin Tapes Number PLEASE
Organization: Macalester College, St. Paul Minnesota USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:00:59 GMT

Coudl someone PLEASE SNED ME THE TERRAPIN TAPES NUMBER ASAP!

Thanks

-Noah Cole
--
Noah Cole               "I believe in the future        NCOLE@MACALSTR.EDU
Macalester College      there will be no war. Maybe     ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu
St. Paul, MN 55105      not in my lifetime but in    cncole@coos.dartmouth.edu
612-696-7388            yours"- Paul Simon         aj909@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: MLAVOIE%COLGATEU.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: those typical college dumps...
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:03:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Nov10.180322.18294
Reply-To: MLAVOIE%COLGATEU.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu
Organization: The Internet

i know that almost directly across the street is a little dive called
maxwell jumps...  it's a pit, but it has a pretty good selection of bottles..
if you're interested in a bit of drinking before you go in, it's close, but
it's not a possibility for a net gathering...  also, will anyone be driving
down from New Hampshire for the NYE show?  I'll be in Lincoln, and can drive
part of the distance, but would rather not do it alone...  (hmm.... kinda
early to ask though...)
\

thanks,

mike
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: Doug Maclin <DAN19053%UDELVM.BITNET@vtvm2.cc.vt.edu>
Subject: East Cost Boards/Keswick gathering
Reply-To: DAN19053%UDELVM.BITNET@vtvm2.cc.vt.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:19:53 GMT

I was speaking with Ben from Oberlin last week, and we were wondering why
there seems to be a lack of high-quality soundboard tapes of recent East
Coast shows.  Midwest and West Coast boards are plentiful, many originating
on DAT.  So what's up?  Are the eastern shows around, and just not being
distributed?  Or is the band more likely to let the left coast tapers have
access to the soundboard.   I would love crisp copies of some of the HOT
shows of last spring, especially the Campus Club from March 13 and the Philly
show on the 21st.

On a different note, I think John's choice of T.G.I Fridays for a net
gathering before the Keswick show is perfect.  No hassles for those who are
underage.   I hope to see all of you there!
From: ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: NEED PORTCHESTERtradeNYE/ALBANY
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:39:46 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

HEADER SAYS IT ALL (814)867-9820 MIKE
DONT CALL TOO EARLY!
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: CART9721@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
Subject: Phunny Phish Story
Reply-To: CART9721@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:22:23 GMT

Hey Gang,
	Just a bit o' humor relating to Phish.  I was talking to my girlfriend
last night (I'm at school, she's at home) and she told me a weird little story.

	She was headed to work early Monday morning and had grown tired of 
listening to the radio so in popped A Picture of Nectar.  Now keep in mind, she
lives on the outskirts of Rochester, NY thus it was rather cold Monday morning.
Anyway, Guelah Papyrus is rockin' away when the part of the song that goes,
"So maybe I could be a fly... and feed arachnid (?) as I die" comes blurting
through the speakers and at the same time a fly came flying out of a heater 
duct.  Kinda spooky, huh!

	Well I thought it was funny anyway!!!

C-Ya in 14 days,
Sean

P.S. Thanks to brian for posting the NYE info.  I think he had some good idea's
     and it would be great if anyone else could expand on what he suggested.
     Thanx!

Waiting to view the ritual from within (ST. Mike's and Albany that is)!
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: "KEITH D. MARTIN" <TIZX@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: Boston - New Years
Reply-To: TIZX@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:04:41 GMT

Greetings,
I thought I might bring up a subject that hasn't really been mentioned
yet.  Advice for people going to the Matthews Area show (12-31-92):

	1. if you have never been in Boston on New Years Eve, it is
	   a complete madhouse.  There are thousands of people who
	   wander around downtown Boston going to various "first night"
	   events.  Public transportation is very crowded, but driving 
	   is _insane_.  Expect very long delays if you plan to drive
	   anywhere near the show. (Granted, Northeastern is not 'that'
	   close to the 'downtown' areas...traffic will still be nuts)
	2. If you want to get a hotel reservation, get it NOW. I imagine
	   that rates will be high, and demand will be unbelievable.
	   The reason for this is that a lot of people who live in the
	   Boston suburbs rent rooms in the city so that they can:
	   not worry about traffic, drink, party past the closing of 
	   the MBTA, etc.
	3. Don't expect to get treated nicely if a cop catches you with
	   an open alcoholic beverage container in the street.  Boston's
	   finest do a really good job at crowd control on New Years,
	   and they very strictly enforce the open container law.
	4. Have a great time...I'll see you there.
BTW, the reason I know most of this stuff is that, while I go to school
in the cultural Mecca of upstate New York, my family lives about 30 min.
outside of Boston, and we go in for the first night stuff every year.

Phish on,

Keith
TIZX@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
From: AFOSTER@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
Subject: Identity
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:36:11 GMT
Reply-To: AFOSTER@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Organization: The Internet

With all of this confusion regarding "phishhead," "glide," "chum," etc,
perhaps we could simply avoiding labelling ourselves and losing our
individuality.  Personally, when I see a post from Shelly, I consciously
think that it's from Shelly, not from a "chum."  LIkewise for every other
post that is from a familiar person.  I don't personally KNOW anyone else
on the net, but I have become familiar with their preferences, and to an
extent, their personalities.  I don't want to lose this individuality, for
it is what keeps our discussions interesting.

				-Andrew
				"A person who just happens to like Phish,
				but doesn't really feel insecure enough to
				need a label."
Newsgroups: rec.music.phish
From: AFOSTER@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Subject: Junta reactions
Reply-To: AFOSTER@cmcvx1.claremont.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:56:10 GMT

1) When Union Federal is listed as "recorded live," does that mean live at
a show or from a live studio jam?  If it was in a show, wouldn't they
list the date like they did with Sanity and Icculus?

2) I still like the slow version of Sanity better.  Listen to 4/16/92 set II.

3) As far as the 2 CDs in one box issue, I prefer the type of box that the
double Blues Traveler album came in.  It's patented as Double CD, while the
Junta one was something like 2CD.  There is no danger on the Double CD case
of one disc falling out...I agree that I get a bit antsy with the knowledge
that I might get a nasty scratch right in the middle of Contact.

4) The Icculus is funny, but not the best I've ever heard.  The buildup
sounded exactly like Harpua...I was half expecting Trey to shout out
"Poster Nutbag" instead of "Icculus."  I prefer Icculus to be in the context
of Gamehendge.  Once again, listen to 4/16/92 (Set I) to hear it nestled
between Colonel Forbin's Ascent and Fly Famous Mockingbird.

				-Andrew
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