HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M. Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: VAX Account
Reply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: DESY ZEUS Central Data Acquisition
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:48:16 GMT

In article <153b6rINNjnq@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM>,
martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
writes:

|>In article 19794@dscomsf.desy.de, hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phillip M.
|>Hallam-Baker) writes:
|>>In article <1992Jul26.212548.41890@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
|>>srvylab1@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|>>
|>>|>A friend of mine is going to University of East Anglia this fall
|>and is
|>>|>wondering if it is possible to get a VAX account or somthing
|>similar.  Any
|>>|>information would be great.  Thanks.
|>>
|>>VAX account in East Anglia? What do you think they are made of
|>money?
|>>You should count yourself lucky if you get a rusty abacus. You'd have
|>to
|>>be a reader at least before you got to get an account on the campus
|>sun
|>>workstation (they may get a second in ten years time). To get a VAX
|>>account you'd have to have at least one if not two Nobel prizes.
|>>
|>>You Americans should remember what a poor country the UK is, we only
|>>have six computers and that includes the Babage machine which has yet
|>to
|>>be delivered. The rest of us have to get by by hacking into foreign
|>>computers and stealing time on them.
|>
|>Phill - you got it wrong:
|>
|>He actually wanted an account to use a VAX - you know one of
|>those vacuum cleaners with water in it.

What you meant that there arn't enough things in the US that suck?

Phill
From: iang@timbuk3.EBay.Sun.COM (Ian Griffin - Sun Milpitas -  SalesDesk Support)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Pronounciaton of Three-Syllable Words
Date: 23 Jul 1992 17:14:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: iang@timbuk3.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: timbuk3.ebay.sun.com

In article 14098@husc3.harvard.edu, koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis) writes:
>>|> jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson) writes:
>>|> > 
>>|> > One of my best friends is from the lower classes. Poor chap actually had
>>|> > to work while he was going to school (he served behind the counter
>>|> > in a tobacconists I think).
>>
>>Well, I had a job while I was in Grammar School.   I worked
>>in a store on Putney High Street.    What does that make me?
>>I have no idea, and care less.
>

Having just been in Putney for two weeks which store was it?
Was it the photograph store, Thomas Cook's, M&S, Or Sainsburys,
the dry cleaners, perhaps the off license.

...and I had a job at Fine Fare in Crewe while attending Crewe Grammar School,
but the point is not what we did on Saturday mornings as pimply 17 year olds;
in the United States "working your way through school" refers specifically
to part-time jobs held while attending college ("school") and can involve 
anything from a part-time job to working full-time and attending classes and
studying in the evening.  This is very common, and likely to become more rather
than less so, given the cost of private and public education in the USA, where
full "grants" are a rareity.

Ian.
---
From: bob@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bob Gray)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:18:32 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
>Hell we are now getting products with bad American spelling like
>the new 'Ariel Color'. I think Proctor and Gamble (the makers)

I agree. I've never seen them explain what this
co-lorr is supposed to be, and what it is supposed to do to
your clothes. It must do something or they wouldn't keep
plastering labels about it all over the boxes and adverts.
	Bob.
From: Robert.Evans@cm.cf.ac.uk (Robert Evans)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:24:08 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

In article <1992Jul30.132608.10179@bnr.ca>, Mike King writes:
|> In article <92209.133750RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> Aengus Lawlor
|> <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:
|> >In article <92209.085455BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,
|> >BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Bernard BELL) says:
|> >>
|> >>Those of you who watched the opening ceremony of the Olympics would have
|> >>seen that the British team came in as under the name Great Britain, or
|> >>more accurately, under Grande Bretagne, since the language of nomenclature
|> >>for the parade was French. Does anyone know why the British compete as
|> >>Grande Bretagne and not as Royaume Uni?
|> >
|> Also, what is puzzling to me, is the "Great Britain" team marches in behind the
|> flag of the United Kingdom. Why?       Mike King

There isn't a flag for "Great Britain" is there?  Once GB and Ireland united in 1801,
the flag would have been replaced with the UK one (with the FitzGerald cross for Ireland).
Similarly, when England and Scotland had united a hundred years earlier, the English and
Scots flags were replaced by the Union Flag.  However, you will have noticed that both the
English flag (cross of St George) and the Scots flag (cross of St Andrew) have crept
back into use and are now almost officially recognised.

(By the way, the Russian part of the ex-Soviet naval fleet is using the *Flag* of St
Andrew now - this seems to be the reverse of the Scottish flag - blue saltire on white.
It's the old Tsarist naval flag).

The N Ireland flag is officially recognised.  I suspect it was made official in the 1920s
when the Province was set up.  The Red Dragon Flag of Wales is a variation on the officially-
recognised royal badge of Wales (the same as the Flag but with "Y Ddraig Goch Ddyry Cychwyn"
inscribed).  The flag is used on all Government buildings here alongside the Union Flag.

As to why the Olympics has Great Britain instead of United Kingdom - the simple answer is
because the GB Olympic Committee's a member of the IOC whereas the UK Olympic Committee doesn't
exist.  But that begs the question.   I speculate that in 1896 or later, the United Kingdom
sent *two* teams - one from Great Britain and one from Ireland - and that after Independence,
the Irish Olympic Committee stayed with the Free state.  That's just a guess though.  Can
anyone confirm or deny it?
-- 
  Robert Evans, Department of Computing Mathematics,
  University of Wales College of Cardiff, Wales, UK.  +44 (0)222 874000 x 5518
  Robert.Evans@cm.cf.ac.uk                      (FAX) +44 (0)222 666182
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: New banknotes
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:56:38 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Jul27.060213.12128@trl.oz.au> lightw@cetra.trl.OZ.AU (Liron Lightwood) writes:
> david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
> 
> >What does the Bank of England/Scotland etc. gain out of issuing banknotes ?  It
> >seems like a con to me, I persuade a group of people to use a worthless chitty with no real assets backing it, which represents goods and services provided by them
> 
> Aren't banknotes backed by reserves of gold held by the British Government,
> i.e. they have at least enough gold to equal the total of all banknotes?

Eh? No one has been on the gold standard since the Beatles released Sgt.
Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. The French put an end to that by forcing the
Americans to fly tonnes of gold back and forth across the Atlantic during the
early and mid-sixties. They soon stopped even bothering and the gold standard
went the way of the moa, the dodo and Tasmanian Tiger.

Steve


-- 
Steve Withers - Wellington, New Zealand | "But the glory kept shining
Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz         |  and bright in my eyes, 
withers_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz            |  And the stars going round in 
**** Happy user of OS/2 v2!! ****       |  my head." R. L. S.
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From: jones@hasler.ascom.ch (Michael Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: BBC TV world service
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:16:21 GMT
Distribution: eunet
Organization: Ascom Business Systems, CH-3000 Berne 14, Switzerland
Originator: jones@ctcs6


-- 
Mike Jones.                        |  On the outskirts of nowhere   
(jones@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch)    |  On the ringroad to somewhere
Schwarztorstrasse 50               |  On the verge of indecision
CH-3000,Bern 14 , Switzerland      |  I'll be sure to take the roundabout way.
From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:38:12 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul29.173838.876@Princeton.EDU> kjcarey@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kevin J. Carey) writes:
>As someone already suggested, the "Britishi(s/z)ation" of the US is an
>equally serious problem. Every housing development I see these days has
>a name like "Nottingham Oakes", "Windsor Run" or something equally crass
>and inappropriate. Speaking of "Oakes", the practice of adding extra
>"e"s to everything is also endemic - I have seen more "Ye Olde Englishe
>Shoppe" signs than I care to remember. My roommate from Michigan tells
>me that he gets his car serviced at "Eds Oil Shoppe"! 

Dave Barry proposed a tax of $50,000 on every superflous "e" used
for business purposes, "except in extreme cases, such as `ye olde
shoppe', where the owner would just be taken outside and shot".

I think it is kind of touching how, deep in their hearts, Americans
know that all things British are better than all things American.
From: louise@Feline.CAD.UCLA.EDU (Louise Perry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:53:16 GMT
Organization: U.C.L.A. Computer Aided Design Laboratory

I also highly recommend that you take your own bike.  Prices
are inflated even at the police auctions where you woefully
look for the bike that was stolen from you the previous month -
to no avail.  Buy lots of insurance or have your bike surgically
attached to your butt because thieves are rampant.  And the
pros can cut through Kryptonite locks so no one is safe.

However, your bike will usually be ok during the day but 
mountain bikes are an especially attractive target.  (Hence
my bitter letter because mine was stolen from outside my digs.
sniff.)
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,uk.misc
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 13:32:10 BST
Distribution: uk
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

ian@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Speed Freak) writes:
> Isn't it sad that many British people worship the Americans.  Just look at 
> all the filthy scum who wear New York Yankee baseball caps for instance.

I think it's quite funny.  Like the black kids who imitate what they think
American black kids are like: "Yo, dude, that's cool, hey my main man!".
Bloody funny to see someone impersonating a TV stereotype and not realising. 
And those stupid Bart Simpson haircuts are a laugh too.


mathew
-- 
"Even the most bizarre of the unions (probably that between a cat's gall
 stone and a single note 'G' from CNN's ident theme) managed to convey a
 sense of rampant impropriety."  -- 'Fortran Five', Simon G. Lawrence Leonard

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: mcsavaney_d@apollo.hp.com (#David McSavaney)
Subject: Re: money for old rope
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:24:46 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Jul23.062015.9804@qiclab.scn.rain.com> sallyb@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Sally Bowley) writes:

>1. the biggest box possible of pg tips tea bags - 
    PG Tips - box of 40 - US$3.25
    PG Tips catering size (1100) - US$70
>5. cadbury's flakes (and how many can you buy at any one time? ;-))
    US$.80c each


How many do you need?

I will also actively promote again (following my colleague John Francis'
previous recommendation)
    
   The British Aisles, Ltd.
   375 West Hollis Street
   Nashua, NH 03060 
   Tel 603/881 9511                      
   Fax 603/888 6149

Importers and wholesalers of fine British food

Fry's Turkish Delight      - 85c
Bassetts Wine gums         - S1.75
Bassetts Dolly Mixtures    - $1.75 (my daughters favourite)
Homewheat ChockyBickies    - $2.50
Atora Suet                 - $2.50 (can't wait for meat pie weather!)
Scotts Porage Oats         - $2.50


Bisto granules, Vimto, Tizer, Branston, Pickled Onions, Birds Custard,
Ambrosia Creamed Rice, Weetabix, Mushy Peas, Marmite _and_ Bovril, 
Sharwoods, Pataks Pickles, Ribena, Irn Bru (sp?), frozen kippers,
marmalade, coal tar soap, real Irish and Danish bacon (frozen tho'),
black pudding and pork pies.

It's run by a British ex-DEC Sales manager (he used to have the adjacent
sales area to my division boss Gary Eichorn). Funny world...
                                                 
They have a list of who they supply to around the US. You may want to
call them to find a location near you.

I can fax out their product list if anyone wants.

(Aren't I lucky living in this part of the US - I can also buy Bulmers 
and Strongbow cider as well as two-litre bottles of Young's Ram Rod).

Dave McSavaney
mcsavaney_d@apollo.hp.com
From: mrw@cl.cam.ac.uk (Michael Warner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Date: 21 Jul 92 08:50:00 GMT
Reply-To: mrw@cl.cam.ac.uk (Michael Warner)
Organization: U of Cambridge Comp Lab, UK

In article <92203.004310DXH107@psuvm.psu.edu> DXH107@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>...the range of average buying prices for a bike?
>   I currently have a Ross Grand Tour II (10 speed), and will either
>look at similar bikes or mountain bikes.  If anyone is selling
>around then, I'll even consider your offer first.

You big girl's blouse !   What the hell do you need gears for in Cambridge,
let alone a mountain bike.   The East Anglian Alps (otherwise known as
Castle Hill) must be at the most 10 ft high.

Real men (and real women) in Cambridge ride big black clunkers with baskets
on the front, for which they've paid extortionate amounts of money
(probably to the people who stole they're last bicycle the week before).

Ciao,

Mike
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
From: lightw@cetra.trl.OZ.AU (Liron Lightwood)
Subject: Re: New banknotes
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:02:13 GMT

david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:


>What does the Bank of England/Scotland etc. gain out of issuing banknotes ?  It
>seems like a con to me, I persuade a group of people to use a worthless chitty with no real assets backing it, which represents goods and services provided by them

Aren't banknotes backed by reserves of gold held by the British Government,
i.e. they have at least enough gold to equal the total of all banknotes?

>, hmmmm sounds like I'm getting a huge interest free loan here.

>  Imagine if the plumber called and I gave him an IOU which I said all the local s
> hops would accept on the basis that if asked I would exchange it for.... another IOU.

It all boils down to a matter of trust.  Everybody trusts the British
Government (well, as far as honouring banknotes is concerned) but would
they trust you to honour your IOU?

>David.

Liron Lightwood                     Internet : r.lightwood@trl.oz.au
Telecom Research Laboratories       Phone : +61 3 253 6535
770 Blackburn Road                  Snail : P.O. Box 249 Clayton 3168 Australia
Clayton  Vic. 3168 Australia        Disclaimer : My views are not my company's
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: conor@lion.inmos.co.uk (Conor O'Neill)
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK
Reply-To: conor@inmos.co.uk (Conor O'Neill)
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:40:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.160434.10173@cs.hw.ac.uk> neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
>Does anyone think that the all pervading Amercanisation of the world
>had really gotten out of hand. Too much dross US TV, products (
>McDonalds, Burger King (UK owned though by Grand Metropolitan),
>crass American TV ad's with sometimes (thopugh not always) a British
>voice over (like Coke, Pepsi and McDonald's ad's). American style
>voice overs on kids TV.

I _hate_ all those Coke and Pepsi ads which seem to try to out-do each other
to say how wonderful the Merkin way of life is, so why don't we buy some.

And as for Murphy's Stout using an American bar in their advert?????


---
Conor O'Neill, Software Group, INMOS Ltd., UK.
UK: conor@inmos.co.uk		US: conor@inmos.com
"It's state-of-the-art" "But it doesn't work!" "That is the state-of-the-art".
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Dum dee dum...
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:04:53 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <9550@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, colin@cs.uq.oz.au (Colin Millerchip) writes:
> Not heard anything for a few weeks. Nothing doing?
> 
> C.
> 
Last I heard, not a great deal. Eddy's been made to look a fool by accusing
Clarrie of having an affair with Jean-Paul. Preparations for the fete are
floundering. Did anyone hear the omnibus?

-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:32:27 GMT
Organization: sgi

In article <1992Jul22.154144.15565@aus.intel.com>, ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock) writes:
|> In article <njdrru8@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> ->In article <1992Jul21.171803.8552@aus.intel.com>, ajw@aus.intel.com (alan waldock) writes:
|> 
|> ->|> HIS would be grammatically correct; THEIR is merely politically correct,
|> ->
|> ->No, "their" has been common usage, in this context, in both the 
|> ->US and UK for decades.
|> 
|> I do not deny that, but see no contradiction.

Then perhaps you ought to explain why you deleted the rest of the
line.

The full quote reads:

	"No, "their" has been common usage, in this context, 
	in both the US and UK for decades.  It is also, 
	but not merely, PC."
	**************

jon.
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Mellor: The establishment will again rush to protect their own
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:50:48 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <nm1md4g@zola.esd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
> 
> Why "so badly"?   "So badly" because they lost after trumpeting
> the certainty of their win.
> 
And there's no prizes for guessing who claimed the credit for that about-turn.

> "So badly" because losing threw them into a debate about their
> very future, whether they ought to merge with the centre-left
> Party.
> 
A debate which lasted approximately two weeks before everyone realised it was a
red herring and they should get on with the serious business of opposing a
government with no coherent policies and fewer coherent politicians.

> "So badly" because they even felt constrained to fire their
> Leader and get a new one.
> 
That's Neil Kinnock who resigned of his own free will, against the advice of
many of his colleagues, and who has been replaced by a leader elected by 90% of
the electoral college.

> "So badly" because it's their fourth loss in a row.
> 
That, at least, is indisputable, but not surprising given the apathy and
self-interest which the British Public has learned from Thatcherism.

> "So badly" that they are now falling back on the old classic
> defensive line of "Hey, we didn't really lose as badly as last
> time".
> 
Well, going from a majority of a hundred-odd to a majority of twenty-one is
just a *little* bit of an improvement.....

Stephen "Smile! It's a sunny day, Pakistan were all out for 197 and England are
175-ish for 1 in reply" Wilcox

-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
From: zzassgl@uts.mcc.ac.uk (Geoff Lane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Derogatory fanny pack
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:11:30 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre, Manchester, England, M13 9PL.

In article <37796.glh@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu> glh@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (, Gene A. Heyler) writes:
>    Some friends of mine recently visited the UK and were told the phrase 
>"fanny pack", used to describe the strap-on around-the-waist carry pouch,
>was a derogatory racial term, so should use the term "bum bag" instead. 
>Gene A. Heyler 

You've got to be careful when using the word "fanny" as it's meaning changes
somewhere over the mid-Atlantic.









-- 
Geoff. Lane.                                  Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts
UTS Sys Admin, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL
From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Help Me Find My Way around London!!!!
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:06:26 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul29.003917.13383@wam.umd.edu> yep@wam.umd.edu (--!!HEY!!--) writes:
>
>HEY!!! >-)))-D
>
>please help!
>
>i'll be travelling to London near mid-August.
>i booked a room at the Pavilion Hotel in London.
>
>Their address is:          
>Pavilion Hotel
>37 Leinster Gardens
>London W2
>Tel: 258-0269
>
>can someone PLEEEEASE help me find out where it is in
>London..that is, can i get from Heathrow Airport onto the
>Underground and get off a stop near the Hotel?
>or does the Hotel provide a shuttle to and from the airport
>to the hotel?
>or if not, should i take a taxi instead?
>
>help! help! help!  
>

Leinster gardens is parallel to Queensway. Nearest stations are
Bayswater and Queensway.

Unless you've got an enormous amount of luggage, get the Piccadilly line
from Heathrow and change to the Circle line. I don't know exactly where
your hotel is, but my instinct would be to get out at Bayswater because
you 'ld be halfay along the street.

It is of course famous for a terrace of buildings that includes a dummy
house front that hides a railway bridge (number 17 as far as I can
remember).

>
>
>E ME!
>Yep "lost in america, lost in london, lost in space" Yep
>yep@wam.umd.edu
>
>
>BUH-ByE!
>>-)))-D
>.

Chris Lee
From: jch+@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: WANTED: how much does a bicycle cost in Cambridge, England?
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:43:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Jul21.194301.55941
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes
> andyw@aspen32.cray.com (Andy Warner) writes:
>    One drawback is figuring out how to get it from Gatwick/Heathrow to
>    Cambridge - that's an excercise left to the reader....
> 
> Trains. What's the problem. Train into London. Bike across London to
> KX, train to Cambridge. OK, so you have to pick the _right_ train, and
> cycling across central London isn't much fun, but this is still the
> obvious way to do it.
> 
> If you have a lot of other luggage, take two trips.

If you have a lot of other luggage, hire a big car.  Pick it up from
the airport, throw the bike in the back, drop the car off in
Cambridge.  No need to muck about getting lost in London. 

Jonathan H.