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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:56:25 PDT
From:         HLP1%ItsLsc%CTS@CTS27.CS.PGE.COM
Subject:      re: LPD service

Currently, we don't have easy access to ftp.  Could someone check to see if
UPrint is available on the CSUS.edu ftp server, and if not put it their?

Herb Patten
PG&E
hlp1@cs.pge.com

>Herb Patten says:-
>
>I have the PG&E UPrint service running under a VINES 5.0 server and have not
>experieneced any problems.  The UPrint service can be found on compuserv in
>the Banyan forums.
>
>I would be curious to know if other people have it up and running on a 5.0
>server.
>
>Herb Patten
>PG&E
>hlp1@cs.pge.com
>
>
>	We don't have easy access to compuserv here on the other side of the
>world. However we do have easy access to the Internet. Is this software
>available via FTP from somewhere?
>
>Thanks
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>Data Communications                     Tel: 061-3-819 8813
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From: Kevin=Foskin%English%LiberalArts@VINES.COLOSTATE.EDU
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Subject: dos 5.0 shell question.
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:06:45 GMT
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Does anyone know why the dosshell task switcher (dos 5.0) doesn't seem to want
to work with Banyan 4.10 and higher? It worked well enough with 4.05. I have a
few people who like the dosshell (God knows why!) and want to continue to use
it. Any help would be appreciated.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:49:18 PDT
From:         HLP1%ItsLsc%CTS@CTS27.CS.PGE.COM
Subject:      re: UPrint & AIX ?

Kelly,

There is version 3.1 or 3.01 that fixes some unique handshakes between UPrint
and AIX/RS6000.  I'll check to see if this has not been uploaded to Compuserv,
if not, I'll upload the new version.

Herb Patten
PG&E
hlp1@cs.pge.com
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:07:36 WET
From:         Boelen%FaB%WMW@CIVP.UTWENTE.NL
Subject:      DAT works

Maybe you can remember my subject on Wangdat tapestreamers. You can't, well
here's a summary: IT DIDN'T WORK. I tried everything all the dipswitches,
rebuilding the device drivers (although that is a little hard with SCSI),
rebooting and so forth. Nothing seemed to get life into the DAT recorder.
Yesterday I added a dedicated SCSI controller to the server (one of the
advices from the list): The server wouldn't even start loading vines.
I removed the new SCSI controller and gave it one last shot in the old
configuration ...........

Yep, youre right, it worked, haven't got a clue why,

thanks again for all your input

R.L. Boelen
Dept. WMW
University Twente
The Netherlands
R.L.Boelen@WMW.UTwente.NL

Afterthought: Keep trying keep smiling
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:55:22 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <coates@UMUC.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Mixed Versions & LOGIN Problem

[Problem and diagram deleted.]

>Does this problem arise from the version mismatch between the two servers,
>or is something else going on here?

>Jeffrey G. Brown
>usr0377a@tso.uc.edu

Off the top of my eddie (head), it seems the iLAN device is hosing you. Don't
know how.

Elliott Coates
coates@umuc.umd.edu
From: tanu@beach.csulb.edu (     Tanu Kartawiria)
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Subject: 4.0(0) support 486?
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:50:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cal State Long Beach


We just installed a 4.0(0) on a Zenith 486-33 EISA (we're waiting for
5.0). The installation went fine with no problem at all.
However, after the installation is finished, when the server try
to initialize its services (ST, SS, Vanguard etc) it gives an error message:
Server failed to initialize (or start). (Or something like that)
And told us to check the error log. And so we did. 

The Server Log has this error message:

[1] system restarting after reboot
[1] ainstall OK: 1
[1] ainstall: Not able to read option key

The SS@Group@Server has this error message:

===File SS0.log====
[1] SS restarted.... Beginning initialization.
[8] i486 Option is not enabled
[8] SS aborting.... Revision option not installed.

The rest of the log looks fine.
Trying to Restart Services doesn't do any good either. 
Does anybody know what's happening?

Of of the option in the option key is:
Intel 386 platform.
Does that mean anything for a 486 EISA computer?

Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much
Tanu
CSULB LIB LAB COMP.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:49:23 CDT
From:         John=Jabusch%ecd%USACERL@AARDVARK.CECER.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      new upload to csus.edu

From:           Greg=Burgess%Dean%Business@banyan.cl.msu.edu
> 	Sent in XUSERS.ZIP,  it is similar to USERS.EXE on drive Z.  Includes
> some other features such as number of sessions for a user, user routing
> server, LAN or DIALIN, etc....

It's in /pub/banyan/src.  It's pretty neat, and Greg included source code!
Thanks, Greg!

-john
From: Thomas=C.=Gray%NetAdmin%CSS@BDRC-BANYAN.MED.UNC.EDU
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Subject: ARCNET information wanted
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:44:19 GMT
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Please, no laughing from the token-ring - ethernet crowd!


We are desparately seeking ANY pocket adaptor to put some notebook
computers on our ARCNET network.  No reasonable price refused!

Please reply directly to me to keep the expected phenomenal number
of responses from clogging up the net!

tom gray, network administrator
UNC Chapel Hill

tom@bdrc-banyan.med.unc.edu
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:59:21 EDT
From:         Dennis=Beaugrand%MNsupport%Banyan@HIPPO.BANYAN.COM
Subject:      re: VINES for OS/2 2.0--IBMCOM diskette needed?

Michael,

IBMCOM is located on the OS/2 2.0 Extended Services Diskettes. If you
don't have Extended Services, contact Chad Somerlot at 407-982-0192, to
obtain a copy of the IBMCOM diskette.

Address -	1000 NW 51 Street
		Boca Raton, Florida
		33432-1510

Dennis
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:42:43 PDT
From:         "(Richard Warner)" <rick@SJSUMCS.SJSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Windows NT
              at Oct 14, 92 2:11 pm

>
> Does anyone know what the situation regarding Banyan support for NT is / will
> be??
>
> Are there Banyan drivers in beta yet for the NT Beta, if so how do we get hold
> of them??

As they say 'impossible'.  NT is NOT in beta yet (later this month,
according to Bill and Steve).

> Maybe Laura would like to comment on Banyan's behalf .......
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Simmonds
> VINES Network Manager
>
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:30:49 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <coates@UMUC.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Ethernet Bridging

>  Is there an option for ethernet bridging? I notice an option for
>  Token-ring....  In this application am wanting to pass LAT through
>  a Banyan server at a remote site which is connected to a Banyan server
>  at the main campus via ICAPlus. The Banyan server at the main campus
>  is connected to the backbone.

Passing LAT through Vines servers via ICA shouldn't be a problem, I've seen
that done.  I can put you in contact with those who do.  Why the bridging?
Maybe if you draw us a diagram?

Elliott Coates
coates@umuc.umd.edu
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:45:05 AUS
From:         Brian=Tehan%CC.staff%Swinburne@BUSTER.CC.SWIN.EDU.AU
Subject:      re: Abandon Banyan?

	Excuse me - I missed all the discussion on this but why don't you
swap ebanyan to ibanyan with your reseller?

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Date:         Sun, 11 Oct 1992 14:06:36 CDT
From:         David=Blair%ComputerSrvcs%WILL@BIGBIRD.WILL.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      re: ABUi

Shirley,  The "wet look" definitely suited you that night.  I was the fiend
behind a good deal of the water gun fight.  The best part about the ABUI
conference were all the Vines Internal session they had this time.  Banyan even
 discussed the extension to StreetTalk that Shirley mention which still is not
public knowledge.  They talked about "The next release of Vines"  and what is
might contain and futures plans to enhance StreetTalk's capabilities.  As
allways it is nice to meet with the ABUI Board, Banyan employee's, Banyan-L
list members, and other conference attends to discuss how they have
implemented their network and general "chew the fat".  Where else can you talk
to the President, VP of Marketing, and the Chief Technologist about issues
and concerns you have dealing with their product.  I have gone to two ABUI
conferences now and at each one I talked to those three individuals each time.
They were more than willing to listen to what I had to say and made feel that
they geniunely cared about my concerns that I had with their product.


David L. Blair  davidb@uiuc.edu
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:59:09 EDT
From:         "Elliott Coates" <coates@UMUC.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      RE: WHAT IS A NONCE??

To take an initial stab at it.  Listees please feel free, as I know you will,
to add, correct, admonish, extend, elucidate, etc.

Fundamentally, a nonce is a unique identifier of a network service requester,
generated by the Vanguard service.

Vanguard uses nonces to enforce network security.  For example a user logging
in is given a nonce as a result of the log in process.  The log in process
interacts with Vanguard and as result of the interaction, if the user is valid
to Vanguard, a nonce is issued by Vanguard for that user.

In subsequent requests by that user for network services the user's nonce is
profferred to Vanguard.  Vanguard uses the nonce to say "ok this user may use
the service because this user is genuine."

Vanguard believes the user to be genuine because the nonce it receives from the
user, in the user's request, matches the nonce which Vanguard gave to the
user at log in.

Pure D Speculation, now.  It seems the nonce is number or code embedded in
certain packets flying around a Vines network.  Or it could be a separate
packet in and of itself, though I doubt it.

How does the Media Access Control layer and Vanguard interact?

Toodles,

Elliott Coates
coates@umuc.umd.edu
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From: jabusch@cecer.army.mil (John W. Jabusch)
Subject: Re: Abandon Banyan?
Organization: US Army Construction Engineering Research Laboratory
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:50:12 GMT

In article <9210071454.AA11325@umassmed.UMMED.EDU> Daniel=Chen%COMPUTER%UMASS@BANYAN.UMMED.EDU writes:
>Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:55:05 EDT
>From:         Daniel=Chen%COMPUTER%UMASS@BANYAN.UMMED.EDU
>Subject: Re: Abandon Banyan?

>From:     David=Blair%ComputerSrvcs%WILL%BIGBIRD.WILL.UIUC.EDU@VM1.CC.UAK

>I have a question about the Packet Drivers packages;  I haven't
>experimented the NCSA or others, but how would the config.tel file
>look, especially the card line?

hardware=packet            # network adapter board (packet driver interface)
interrupt=60


>Also, what is the line 3c523 0x60 do?  And where would the docs for
>that line be?


That's the command to load the packet driver for the 3c523 board (
Microchannel).  It tells the driver to use software interupt 0x60.


>>Sample Autoexec.bat
>>3C523 0X60                     ;after 3c523 to the following
>>BAN                            ;ban /nc

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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:30:00 EDT
From:         REB100@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      re: FAQ List ?
              9 Oct 1992 05:19:15 EDT

The apologies are mine to render Robert.  I must have missed the message.
Good luck on your CBE test.

Bob
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From: Orlando=Ginn%MIS%Regents@ALPHA.OSRHE.UOKNOR.EDU
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.banyan-l
Subject: re: PROFEDIT
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:41:57 GMT
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Hello,

We've been using profedit.exe to update our user profiles and it seems that it
deletes the last character in the profile.  For example, if your last line
reads:

	setmsgs off

When you call up the user profile, the line will read:

	setmsgs of

Just thought I'd report it if the author of the program wanted to fix it.

Orlando
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:19:27 PDT
From:         Kelly=Yock%Systems%PCBs@BANYAN50.BV.TEK.COM
Subject:      re: Abandon Banyan? -- NEVER!

Call me....I've got the native Intel driver for Vines 4.11.....tested it and
it works great with PC/TCP (ebanyan).  I can help you get the patch through
various sources (note that I'm not volunteering to upload this, as I've signed
a beta agreement).

We can talk off the record.

I'd hate to see you do something you'd regret later.

Kelly Yock
Tektronix, Inc.
(503)627-3690
Kelly.Yock@Tek.Com
From: HLP1%ItsLsc%CTS@CTS27.CS.PGE.COM
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Subject: Re: V2.11 PC/TCP
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:13:11 GMT
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>Herb Patten writes about PC/TCP V2.11:

>> 2) Is it our configuration or can you NOT run the various programs (ping,
 TN,>> etc) in a DOS window if you don't load EBANYAN before starting Windows?
 Since>> some of our clients don't want to give up 70K to the EBANYAN TSR, I
 thought
>> you could start a DOS window in Win 3.1 than run EBANYAN and than TN (or
>> whatever program they wanted). When we try this, we get an error message
 from>> EBANYAN that states you can't run EBANYAN in Windows unless you load it
 prior>> to starting Windows.  Some of our folks probably won't upgrade to V2.11
 if
>> they have to give up 70K of memory.
>>

>NOTE: This info based on V 2.04/5:

>Don't have 2.11 yet (chomping at the bit!), but I can tell you that loading
>EBANYAN in a DOS window AFTER Win 3.1 is loaded is only valid for that window.
>To make the TCP socket available to all DOS or Win sessions, you must load
>it prior to invoking Win 3.1. We do this for Vistax (X Window server over
>Win 3.1). You could also probably use WINSTART.BAT, a reserved batch file
>name used exclusively to load TSR's for Windows' use without consuming
>conventional memory. After exiting Windows, the TSRs go away. See the
>Win 3.1 resource kit for details on that.

>Now all that being said, it is based on versions PRIOR to 2.11. It was my
>understanding that 2.11 had the DLL's needed for Windows front end, but
>I have not seen the 2.11 docs and don't know how the EBANYAN piece fits yet.

>sparre@delmarva.com

Thanks for a response.

1) Our needs would be met with the ability to load EBANYAN in a DOS window
AFTER Win 3.1 is loaded.  Because some of our clients typically only use a
single TN session.  The PROBLEM is that EBANYAN v2.11 WON'T load in a DOS
window AFTER Win 3.1.  It returns an error message stating that it HAS to be
loaded prior to Win 3.1.

2) We have tried putting EBANYAN.EXE in WINSTART.BAT w/o success.  The EBANYAN
loads fine in WINSTART.BAT, but the Windows DLL for PC/TCP complains that it
hasn't been loaded, so no Windows apps work, and when you open a DOS window,
the DOS apps complain that the kernal hasn't been loaded.  No luck here.

We thought that the problem with not getting EBANYAN to loadhigh was due to
the BANYAN redirector not supporting this.  So we tried running the following
combination:
		BAN /NC
		3c503BAN.COM
		LOADHIGH EBANYAN.EXE
		REDIRALL.EXE

That did not allow EBANYAN to load high even though there was 140K free in the
UMB.

Still searching....

Herb Patten
PG&E
hlp1@cs.pge.com
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:18:52 CDT
From:         David=Blair%ComputerSrvcs%WILL@BIGBIRD.WILL.UIUC.EDU
Subject: Re: Abandon Banyan?

If NDIS and EXP 16 do not like each other, why not switch to Packet Driver
Support and NSCA or Clarkson Telnet/FTP.  Both are public domain and FREE and
work great.  Much easier to setup and support than NDIS is.  Have your
reseller give you a credit on the PCTCP option.

Sample Autoexec.bat

@ECHO OFF
CLS
PROMPT $p$g
PATH = C:\DOS;C:\CLARKSON;
SET TEMP=C:\DOS
CD \BAN				;For 386 or higher CPU's change the lines
3C523 0X60			;after 3c523 to the following
BAN				;ban /nc
Y:\NET\LOG			;csiban
				;redir3 or redir4
				;This way they all can be loaded into UMB.
Sample Config.sys

DEVICE = C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS
DOS = HIGH
DEVICE = C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS
FILES = 40
BUFFERS = 30
BREAK ON
SHELL = C:\COMMAND.COM /E:512 /P

Also, why not subnet your Internet Class B address so that you can have more
nets on campus.  Instead of giving the host its full address limit give more
bits to the network address or whatever it is called I forgot.

My address space is 128.174.10.0 - 63.

Address 0 is the router/bridge/gateway.
Addresses 1-5 are reserved for future router/bridge/gateway/repeater expansion.
Addresses 6-62 are available to use for clients.
Address 63 is the subnet broadcast address.
Address 64 is the network number for the next subnet.

The only caveat you need to subnet on bit boundaries, ie 128, 64, 32.  The
Douglas Cromer book on the Internet does a much better job explaining this
than I do.

David L. Blair   davidb@uiuc.edu
From: David=Blair%ComputerSrvcs%WILL@BIGBIRD.WILL.UIUC.EDU
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Subject: RE: dos 5.0 shell question.
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:30:24 GMT
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Well, here is my $0.02 worth.  Do not use the DOS 5 shell.  It is a terrible
program.  Buy some other shell/menu program.  There are million of them and
they all take up less memory and are easier to support!!!

	-dlb
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:13:12 CET
From:         Bent=Tranberg%Data%AID@BAN.AID.NO
Subject:      re: Mixed Versions & LOGIN Problem

If you are absolutely stuck ( admin can't get in ), simply make sure you are
connected to the server in question, and you and the server are not connected
to any other servers, while you try to log in. I bumped into this after
restoring our only 5.00 server, and was in panic for 20 minutes before I
suspected what might be the problem and how to solve it.

I think the problem was that the other servers had invalid StreetTalk
information about the restored server. The problem disappeared after some
time, probably after the STDA had distributed. I had installed and used a
minimal server configuration before restoring, and that minimal STDA
information without users were probably distributed first.

I think you should check your STDA configuration for a start, but I am not an
expert at how these things work. Others comments are welcome.

Bent.Tranberg@ban.aid.no
Agder College of Engineering, Grimstad, Norway
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:37:22 EDT
From:         "(Bob Bradford)" <bradford@CRC.SOFKIN.CA>
Subject:      EBanyan vs IBanyan

I have recently read articles on this list that have refered to
EBanyan and IBanyan. Could someone please post or send me a definition
of these terms (items?, products?) and, perhaps, a comparison of the
significant differences between them.

Many thanks!

Bob

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:50:47 -0400
From:         "(Jeffrey G. Brown)" <usr0377a@TSO.UC.EDU>
Subject:      Mixed Versions & LOGIN Problem

I've got a problem with the following network configuration:


    Systempro 386/33 ----- [token ring, 4 megabit]
    VINES 4.00(1)       !         !
                        !         !
    Systempro/LT 486/50 +    CrossComm iLAN
    VINES 4.11(5)                 !
                                  !
                                  !
                            Ethernet thickwire trunk
                                  !
                                  !
                           several ethernet thinwire segments
                             !    !    !    !   !
                             !    !    !    !   !
                            PC   PC   PC   PC  etc...

Here's the rub:

All of our users IDs are maintained on the 4.00(1) server. The 4.11(5)
server is a recent addition. Occasionally a user will inadvertantly
upgrade his station to 4.11(5). After that, logging in on this PC is
a hit-or-miss proposition. Quite often, the "Invalid user ID or password"
message will be returned from LOGIN. The user must reboot and try again,
probably several times, before getting logged in. Downgrade the PC to
4.00(1), and the problem goes away.

This does not happen on those PCs attached to our token-ring network.

Does this problem arise from the version mismatch between the two servers,
or is something else going on here?

Jeffrey G. Brown
usr0377a@tso.uc.edu