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From: engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher question
Date: 4 Jan 1993 10:44:34 -0500
Organization: Yale AI Mobile Robotics Project
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In article <1993Jan3.230020.18429@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
|> In article <2505@itexjct.jct.ac.il> warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) writes:
|> >In <C0AGBn.ME8@cs.columbia.edu> kasdan@cs.columbia.edu (John Kasdan) writes:
|> >
|> >>Are the Kosher laws cumulative?  For example, if I eat a ham and
|> >>cheese sandwich am I violating BOTH the law against eating ham AND the
|> >>law against eating meat with milk, or does the fact that pork is treif
|> >>mean that it doesn't count as meat for the purpose of the prohibition
|> >>of meat with milk?
|> >
|> >The answer is "it depends".  I do think that in the case of meat and
|> >milk, both need to be kosher to be prohibited under "meat and milk".
|> >However other combinations of violations may be concocted.
|> 
|> I remember learning that the "meat & milk" one only applies to kosher
|> meat; thus, ham, and nonkosher beef, etc., don't apply. But I may be
|> wrong.

Actually, I believe that the meat and milk must be from a kosher
animal, but not necessarily one which was slaughtered properly.  Thus,
eating a ham and (kosher) cheese sandwich would involve one
prohibition, while wating a (treif) beef cheeseburger would involve
two (treif beef and milk & meat).  Also note that the act of cooking
milk and meat together is also forbidden, as is getting any benefit
from the combination at all (so you can't even sell it to a non-Jew).

Enjoy!
	-Shlomo-
-- 
Sean Philip (Shlomo) Engelson		
Yale Department of Computer Science	
Box 2158 Yale Station			
New Haven, CT 06520			
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: the funny thing about Hamas and the Shein Beit
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
	<1993Jan5.231840.28683@bony1.bony.com> <C0EsyF.I7s@inews.Intel.COM>
	<1993Jan6.220505.11661@bony1.bony.com>
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:22:22

In article <1993Jan6.220505.11661@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>   Don't forget that Israel created the PLO, too, right?

Not quite right.  The PLO was founded in May of 1964.  It is curious
that the triggering event for the foundation of the PLO seems to have
been Israel's decision to divert significant water supplies from the
Jordan River, to the detriment of its neighbors.
--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: edelheit@smiley.mitre.org (Jeff Edelheit)
Subject: Re: Can mohels circumcize non-Jews?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:29:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.201220.29371@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>As the subject line asks, is it Halachicly permitted for a
>Mohel to circumcize a non-jewish baby (if the parents want the
>boy circumcized for non-religious reasons, but think the mohel would
>do the best job)?  If not actually forbidden, is it contrary to
>tradition?  Obviously, it can be done for purposes of a conversion,
>but otherwise?
>
There is an urban legend that Queen Elizabeth had a Mohel circumcize
at least Prince Charles and possibly all 3 of her male off-spring.

Jeff Edelheit		email:  edelheit@mitre.org
The MITRE Corporation	voice:  (703) 883-7586
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani)
Subject: Re: (TAKBIR) Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Organization: LC
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 01:42:54 GMT

In article <1ifcj0INN9sk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
>aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>
>>In article <isaac.725853315@etrog> isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin) writes:
>>>
>>>Guilt by MEMBERSHIP mate. Membership of a terrorist outfit is
>>>a crime. This is a violent group who hides behind the Koran.
>>
>>No, infact they are proud to hold the Holy Quran very high ...
>>takbir!
>
>Allaho Akbar.  
>
>>takbir!
>Allaho Akbar.

Indeed Takbir.   I am very proud, Ya Hamza and Ya Anisa.  :)
Cheers !!.

>>Anisa

jle

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From: U13054@uicvm.uic.edu (Howard Wachtel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: DEATH THREAT TO THE JEWS
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:28:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.93010.122856U13054
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1993Jan8.163106.10006@ac.dal.ca>, black@ac.dal.ca says:
>
>        In this great land of YOURS called Amerikkka, we as Black people
>are supposed to have FREEDOM, JUSTICE, AND EQUALITY.  If we do have these
>things why isn't the Jewish community able to take Farrakhan to court for the
>so-called lies that he is supposed to be preaching.

   Maybe they will do that; I'm sure that the Anti-Defamation League is
monitoring Farrakhan's activity.  Yes, he is preaching lies, but that in
and of itself is not a crime.  But the Jewish community will not allow
those lies to go unanswered.

According to Rabbi Oron,
>and the Jewish Students here in Halifax, Canada, Farrakhan has been calling
>for the death of Jews.  If this is the case, then Farrakhan should've and
>would've been charged for malicious intent or death threats, he wasn't.

>        On the other hand, Jews have called for the death of Farrakhan.  In
>most public arenas that Farrakhan speaks, there is a Jewish contingent calling
>for the death of Farrakhan.  For example, one Jew was asked, "Who do you
>want?"
>the reply was "Farrakhan".  Next they asked, "How do you want him?"; the Jews
>repliedm, "DEAD".

   Beacuse of the actions of one Jew you are ready to condemn an entire
people?  The number of Jews who would actually call for the death of
an individual only for telling racist lies is very small indeed.
This is a typical reaction of anti-Semites; the actions or views of a
few extremists are projected as mainstream.  Most Jews will not look at
other groups in that way; I, for one, do not regard your views as typical
of African-Americans or Canadians.

>        It seems funny that the people who want Farrakhan charged are the     e
>peopl
>who are obviously guilty of that same supposed crime.

   No, they are not guilty of the same "supposed crime"--see above.

My suggestion to the
>Jews who are asking for the arrainment of Farrakhan is this, leave this
>brother
>alone.  If you as a people can't deal with the truth then GET THE HELL OUT!!!

   Get the hell out of where?  Of Canada? Of SCJ?  The world in general?
________________________________________________________________
Howard K. Wachtel              University of Illinois at Chicago
U13054@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU        Phone (312) 975-7970
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.arabic
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Followup-To: talk.politics.mideast
Summary: Expel this discussion
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:17:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.195226.6685@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
>John Elghani said:
>
>Q2:  How did Israel punish the American spy ship?  They bombed it, right?.
>
>This has been explained and answered, so just put it to rest, OK?

Ah, but here's a question which *hasn't* been explained and answered:

*What the hell is this discussion doing on soc.culture.jewish?*
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Any Crossword meshuggeners out there ? Give this a go
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:44:27 GMT

In article <726244839snz@cullen.demon.co.uk> bobg@cullen.demon.co.uk writes:
>

You can say that again.  (Talmud says you get two coins!)

Anyway, as for the Subject line, I've seen lots of cross words from
meshuggeners on this forum, but maybe that's not what you meant.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:58:31 EST
From: Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews for Germans
 <9301041916.AA26403@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>

The German's should never be forgiven for the Holocaust, not for a thousand
generations.. Isn't it amazing that whenever you speak to German's alive in

that era that they had nothing to do, or didnt know about the Holocaust ??

I find that truly amazing... no, it's better to never let them forget their
shame and crimes against us.  This is a reminder to the Germans who think we
have forgotten. WE HAVENT FORGOT !!! WE ARE HERE !! WE ARE STILL ALIVE !!!

NOT  YOU OR ANY BASTARD ARABS CAN KILL US OFF !!!!

just a friendly reminder :-)

shalom (peace)
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Tum'a after giving birth
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:04:42 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <9212312015.AA17303@cyclone.sbi.com> <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
>amir@cc.gatech.edu (amir) writes:
> 
>> A question was asked why a woman is tme'a ("impure") for two weeks
>> after giving birth to a girl, and one week after giving birth to a
>> boy.
>
>Another point that no-one brought up is that, while she is tme'ah
>for seven days after the birth of a boy and 14 after a girl, she
>is tehorah for the next 33 days after the boy and 66 after the girl.

But wouldn't she have at least one period during that 66-day span?
Wouldn't that make her tme'ah just as usual?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Murray Kahl <kahl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
Subject: Chanukah
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Murray Kahl <kahl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:13:18 GMT

gated for YY Kazan


 
IM>From: drukier@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Gordon Drukier)
IM>Subject: Re: How Do You Spell (C)Han(n)uk(k)a(h) in
 
IM>have you actually seen used? As the originator of this thread I'll take on
IM>the
IM>task of compiling any submissions of _observed_ transliterations that are
IM>e-mailed
IM>to me and will (bli neder) report back to the net if I get any results.
No
IM>discrimination based on linguistic community is implied, but lets keep it
to
IM>English
IM>transliterations.
 
IM>---
IM>Gordon                             Institute of Astronomy
IM>drukier@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk         University of Cambridge
 
I noticed you're in the astronomy division.... so please, don't get
involved with the stars when you try to figure it all out.;-)
 
---
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Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:06:24 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
 <1ide8iINNchv@shelley.u.washington.edu> <1993Jan6.222732.11871@bony1.bony.com>
 <1993Jan07.034203.109710@locus.com> <9301071722.AA12203@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>

In article <9301071722.AA12203@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>, tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil
(Tim Miller) says:
>
>        I *was* going to stay out of it this time, but...
>
>On Thu, 07 Jan 93 03:42:03 GMT, jle@locus.com (John Elghani) said:
>
>J> You know that the Arabs are killing other israeli agent arabs;
>J> arabs that support the oppressor whom is the initial problem.
>
>J> There philosophy stands as follow:  By eliminating collaborators,
>J> you can have a better resistance against the aggressor, occupier,
>J> or oppressor.
>
>        Ahh, yes.  "Collaborators."  Historically, the label
>"collaborator" is used to justify execution and murder in power plays,
>personal offenses, and other things only peripherally related to the
>"resistance."
>
>J> Q1:  What is the penalty of a spy in Civilized USA?
>
>        Imprisonment, usually.  Execution is reserved for treason.
>What's your point?

That's only in peacetime, in wartime spies are executed.







>
>J> Q2:  How did Israel punish the American spy ship?  They bombed it, right?.
>
>        So?  Though in the military myself, it's resonable to expect to
>be attacked when conducting surveillance in a war zone, and if the area
>around Israel doesn't qualify as a war zone then nothing does.
>
>-- Cerebus <tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil>
>"Needed to be said."
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: Who did Cain marry?
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:04:57 GMT

Arthur S. Kamlet writes:

>And perhaps Cain and Able each had twin sisters; aren't there
>midrashim to that effect?  And where does Lilith come in?
>(Not Cheers; the magazine :^)

I recall that one of them had two sisters; he was one of a set of
triplets.

Lilith came before Chava (Eve).  She took off before she and Adam could
have kids, but she's reportedly still around bothering folks!

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:48:56 GMT


Hillel Markowitz passes on an appeal for substantial "loans" and contributions
to be sent to a bank in California.

WARNING-there are enough contradictions and strongly unlikely elements
in this whole story that anyone who has any regard for their money
should check personally that the facts are accurate before sending
any money. There is a possibility that this whole thing is a scam.

The Chabad Rabbi who is cited as having first-hand knowledge of this
has not returned my calls. Knowing Chabad and the standard behavior of
Chabad Rabbis (I'm a substantial contributor), I find this
particularly odd, and my efforts to check it out first-hand myself
have met with failure so far.

David
-- 
David Sternlight
RIPEM Public Key on server  --  Consider it an envelope for your e-mail

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From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Keywords: canaanites
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:20:38 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs01.cs.huji.ac.il

In article <1993Jan11.011349.14247@trl.oz.au>, faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan8.161829.203446@uctvax.uct.ac.za>, naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
|> |> The Canaanites were not a nation of people. .......
|> |> ...... They fell into three racial groups Hurrian, Hittite
|> |> and West Semitic/Levantine. The first two of these were invaders from
|> |> the area which is now Turkey. .......
|> |> .......... Today the Jews are the only people descended from
|> |> the ancient West Semites, the earliest inhabitants of Israel.

I'll add that the canaanites lived on seashore and inner valleis (Yizrael
and the Jorden valley). The mountian was inhabited by the Emorites (EMORI).

|> The Canaanites are people who occupied what is now called Syria, Lebanon,
|> Palestine, and parts of Iraq. ...
|> 
|> The Hebrew tribes were Nomads who are thought to have originated in the Arabian
|> Peninsula and who have migrated into Iraq originally. .......

I don't know where do you get that. I have a feeling that you didn't 
read the jewish biblical scholars (and we, mind you, got it, so we know 
better). In any case, even if you beleive that, it's your problem, don't
force me to think like you.

|> |> Not only are the modern Palestinians not related to the Canaanites, they do
|> |> not seem to be related to the Arabs who invaded Israel in the 7th century CE
|> |> since those Arabs assimilated into the Seljuk Turks.
|> 
|> How do you know that?. are you saying that the Hebrew tribes has comitted
|> massive genocide to eliminate those Canaanites?. The Islamic conquest did
|> eliminate the native people of the M.E. Hence, the people speak the Arabic
|> language, however, it does not mean that every one has his roots in Arabia.

Yes, we tried to get rid of all the canaanites, but we failed. They
vanished in the end as we got stronger. Again, there are no canaanites 
left to even try claim this land.
-- 

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/ Hillel P. Applebaum     |> ISRAEL - where all		better a R-jew in Israel	
/ Jerusalem,   Israel     |  jews should live !		then an  O-jew  outside.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn)
Subject: Re: Feld brothers update
Organization: Motorola_CoveragePLUS
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:21:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish

In article <1993Jan6.082227.17677@rdg.dec.com>, kremer@taveng.enet.dec.com
() wrote:
> 
> 
> In article <1993Jan5.162854.27806@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, 
> hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:
> |>
> |>3. They are shackled hand and foot WHILE WITH VISITORS.  This is standard
> |>   practice in CA for "dangerous criminals".  Attempted murder falls into
> |>   this category.  The shackles prevent full movement, but are not overly
> |>   restrictive.  The way Rabbi Levin described them, the foot shackles are
> |>   light weight, with about 18" of chain between them.  The hand shackles
> |>   chain the hands to a chain belt with about 12" of chain.  This is enough
> |>   for general movement, but not enough to put on tefilin.
> |>
> |>   When they are in their cells, they are not shackled.  Even though they
> |>   are shackled, there is bulletproof glass between them and the visitors.
> |>
> |>   Rabbi Levin is the Jewish chaplain for Santa Clara County.  He has
> |>   arranged for people to go to the jail on a daily basis to help the Felds
> |>   put on tefilin, light chanukah candles, etc.  (Rabbi Levin needs to go
> |>   for tefilin, as he is one of the few people that can be in the same room
> |>   with them.)
> 
> 	I don't quite get it. If they are not shackled when they are in their 
> 	cells, why do they need help with Tefilin ?

They probably are not allowed to have the Tefilin in their possesion, so
the only way they can get them is if a visitor brings them.  Remember, they
could easily be used to hang themselves with!

> 
> 	I heard that they are already free on bail. Is that true?
> 
> 	
> -Itzhak

Steven Cohn
Motorola CoveragePLUS Engineering
CPLS13@EMAIL.MOT.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: NETOPRBL@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Brian Lane)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:12:15 GMT

 
>>mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern) writes:
>>
>To a certain extent that is true.  I would imagine that the blacks of
>today have a hard time forgiving the whites for the crimes that were
>once perpertrated on them.  However, the majority of whites in the US
>have given up those outdated views, whereas a significant proportion of
>the Germans still favour the Nazi ideas.
>
>Does it surprise you that people who were once subject to mass
>extermination (that is Jews) still hold a grudge against the
>former exterminators (that be the Germans), some of which have
>led a comfortable existance in post-WW2 Germanies.  When I was
>a child my grandfather used to tell me bedtime stories of how
>he and a band of Russian partisans would fight the German
>occupants by blowing up the tracks on which trains carrying the
>Jews condemned to death camps would travel.  What do former
>German soldiers tell their grandchildren - how they would torture
>and rape Jewish women maybe?  Or maybe about how they would tear
>the newborn Jewish babies limb from limb in front of their
>mothers?  Nice legacy.
>
>Michael Stern	mstern@wam.umd.edu	UMCP...USDA-ARS
>
>
What disturbs me the most about these posts is the obvious ignorance of
history.
For instance...the above post...'while the germans lived in relative comfort
after WWII. Strange...it was my understanding they after the war a most germans
were starving, living off a bucket of coal for the entire winter.
Indeed, a good number of germans left Germany for the very reason that
conditions were unbearable and showed no evidence of improving.
The relative comfort of the germans of today did not appear until the late
50's early 60's.
But all of this is academic, to condemn a race becuase they live in wealth
after performing attrocities in their history is pretty flimsy. The same
could be said of americans (after say the civil war and the end of slavery).
Being a 'southerner' should I be denied the right to live as a human being
and enjoy the benefits of society becuase in my past an ancestor of mine owned
slaves? No matter what country you're in you'd be hard pressed to find yourself
completely clean of the blood of someone in the past whom your ancestors
oppressed, destroyed, or chased from your country.
 
Brian
(why am I posting this? This is such a silly argument....*sigh*)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn)
Subject: Re: time between BASAR & CHLAV
Organization: Motorola_CoveragePLUS
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:09:01 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish

In article <1993Jan7.142026.25354@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>,
cs922177@ariel.yorku.ca (DANIEL T FARKAS) wrote:
> 
> In article <1iernbINN6k3@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) writes:
> >I wander what period of time most jews wait between
> >BASAR and CHALV. 
> >I thougt that 3 hours is the most common MINHAG.
> >My wife thinks it's 5.31 hours.
> >
> >	What do u say, shell we take a poll ? 
> >
>   Well here's one vote for the whole 6 !

Here's another vote for full 6 hours.

(Perhaps this should be added to the SCJ Survey?!)


Steven Cohn
Motorola CoveragePLUS Engineering
CPLS13@EMAIL.MOT.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Can mohels circumcize non-Jews?
Organization: Transaction Technology, Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:12:20 GMT

As the subject line asks, is it Halachicly permitted for a
Mohel to circumcize a non-jewish baby (if the parents want the
boy circumcized for non-religious reasons, but think the mohel would
do the best job)?  If not actually forbidden, is it contrary to
tradition?  Obviously, it can be done for purposes of a conversion,
but otherwise?

Thanks.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
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