Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 03:07:03 CDT
From: <U53644@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.research.careers
Subject: NO MORE %$#@* E-MAIL ABOUT THE JOB SITUATION

I am very tired of getting e-mail from people about posts that they haven't
even read.

Let me make this perfectly clear : I NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET
A JOB. Jesus Christ, people, I spent most of my posts talking about how to
pursue it, particularly in the business sector. But let Robert Toreki say that
I said something, and more than a few of you seem willing to turn your brains
off, and say "Du-uh. Rob says dis guy bad-mouthing da profs. I better send him
e-note saying cut dat out."

Here are some things I actually said :

      Of my thesis advisor at Indiana : "He's like a second father to me."

                     Oh, God. Do you think that he could ever forgive me
                     for saying that about him.

      Faculty in the Math department there : about 60% of them are nice guys,
                     the other 40 % can make trouble for one, and are hard to
                     identify when you're new, so grad students tend to be
                     extremely cautious about office politics.

                             According to Robert Toreki, this is an
                             "Orwellian Scenario". Sounds to me like a
                             pretty mellow place compared to most businesses.

                             Seriously, when you're at work - don't you
                             make damn sure you don't annoy your superiors.

         On work : When you have just a pure science degree, without any
                             coursework in an Applied field, work in general
                             is almost impossible to get, so you should get
                             a serious amount of coursework in a field in
                             which your pure science area finds application.

                             Academic careers in the pure sciences are almost
                             impossible to get, though electrical engineering
                             is better off in this regard.

           About employment surveys : Gee, maybe you should be skeptical about
                             them when they're really favorable, and carried
                             out by people teaching the field being recommended


Oh gee, oh gosh, could it be.....that Mr. Toreki's responses to my posts made
no sense whatsoever, and that a whole bunch of you were dumb enough to
believe evrything he said without even bothering to check, even after I told
you twice that he was mis-characterizing what I had said ? Could it be that
some of you sent in a collection of brainless, knee jerk reactions, and were
stunned that I didn't send polite responses back.

NO MORE ! NOT ONE MORE E-FLAME ON THIS TOPIC. I'm out of patience, and my
sense of humor is going fast. The next e-dweeb to send me some halfbrained
complaint to me about saying something that I never posted is going to have
a harassment complaint about him posted to the appropriate net, civil and
criminal authorities, and if he persists, I will have a peace bond signed
out against him. I've had it up to here with this crap, folks, and that's it.

I'd go up to Evanston, and sic my neighbor's pet Rottweiler on Mr. Toreki,
but I'm afraid that Rob might bite him back.

                                      Yours in pure, sheer disgust

                                               Joseph B. Dunphy



PS, it takes some doing to get this Jewish boy to the point at which he's
    swearing by Jesus.