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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Unlikely Hero: Brian Mitchell
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:01:11 GMT

The Redskins are kicking butt with a former College QB
by the name of Brian Mitchell. He does KO returns and
he has been a major factor in today's game against the
Vikings.....

Current score:  Vikings  7  Redskins  24
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 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
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everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Bills a Bust? (WAR is HELL)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:59:36 GMT

The Bills lost and their only consolation is that the Bills 
did not really choke because they were never in it. It so happens 
that Carlson started the game and executed beautifully. He
usually took only 2-3 steps and passed accurately to
either Harris, Givens, Jefferies, Slaughter or handed
off to White. Oh yeah, their punter Montgomery did a
most excellent job of kicking the ball.

Before Kelly was taken out with a legal hit, his passes
were not on the mark. He was constantly rushed and as
usual, he shows his true colors, YELLOW! The man cannot
take pressure well. The Oilers D was at its best against
the mighty unstoppable, no-huddle offense. Kelly was almost
picked off several times by Steve Jackson and company.
Childress and company had 4 sacks and there were 3 INTs by
the Oilers D.

Moon came in during the 2nd qtr. and started off slowly,
but before long was on the mark, just where Carlson left
off. IMHO, the Oilers were better prepared on both sides
of the ball. In defense of Reich (replaced Kelly), he did 
as good as he could considering the intensity of the game.

A very hard hitting game and the Bills paid the price with
Kelly leaving the game (on crushes) and various other
injuries, including Thurman Thomas. Couldn't have happened
at a better time. War is HELL!
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 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Bills a Bust? (WAR is HELL)
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Dec29.233452.20085@ncar.ucar.edu>
	<1992Dec30.004425.29237@PacBell.COM> <C044C1.29K@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:19:24 GMT

In article <C044C1.29K@acsu.buffalo.edu> carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato) writes:

   jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:

   >Gary, if you are going to humiltate yourself, please try it
   >somewhere else.

   Yes, Gary, this is Gloria's turf. He has the exclusive right
   to self-humiliation around here.

   (Lor pays Gloria a rights fee for his rantings)

   Mike C.

Not a chance, Ed has prior art comming out his ears. 

Bill
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: 49er QBs
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:11:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.151404.26611@asl.dl.nec.com> nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix) writes:
>A question from a non-49er fan:
>
>If you were in George Seifert's shoes next season, would you bench the
>league MVP to give one of the all-time great QBs one more year of glory?

No. Go with Young.  He has 4-5 productive years ahead.  Joe is God (at
least in SF :-)), but time moves on.  You have seen what happens to great
teams that do not keep bringing in new players.

>Montana has already said that he will NOT be a backup, so this is what 
>George must do in order to keep Montana with San Francisco.
>
>I don't blame Montana - he will long be considered one of the top two or
>three to ever play the game - and he deserves better than to end his 
>career holding a clipboard on the sidelines.  I just don't see how you
>can deny Steve Young, especially if he guides SF to the superbowl.  He is
>younger and has been better each season, and this season he is the probable
>NFL MVP (deservedly so).
>
>I think Joe will be in another uniform next season, and it will be as
>bizarre as seeing O.J. in a 49er uniform.  Plenty of teams would be willing

I'm afraid you are right.  Joe is great because he WANTS to complete and
he wants to play - if not for the 49ers then for someone else.  The
49ers are afraid this will turn out even worse than the Lott fiasco
of two years ago.

>to shell out the cash to give Montana one or two seasons.  He is still 
>about as physically able as he ever was, he is probably just more suseptible
>to injury.  He is a huge ticket draw who could increase season ticket sales
>by 10,000 - 20,000 for some struggling franchises.  It reminds me of the Texas
>Rangers who picked up old-man Nolan Ryan to increase ticket sales, and he ends
>up being as good as ever.  I think Montana could do the same.
>
>Let's see, which team has a decent offensive line, quarterback problems, and
>trouble selling tickets?  How about Phoenix.

Please 49ers, if Joe goes, send him to some non-competing team.  I'd hate
to see him line up against us in a playoff or SuperBowl.

>
>David


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From: gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi)
Subject: Re: Where will Joe go?
Organization: Vanderbilt University CS Dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:13:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.174730.24957@odin.corp.sgi.com> barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (James Barnes) writes:
   Montana sure looked good in his audition Monday night.
   In fact, he looked GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   Where is he going to be playing next year?

   L. A. Raiders??
   Nah....

   My guess is:       Minnesota
                      ^^^^^^^^^^

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After the Herschel Walker fiasco I was wondering how much Minnesota
will be willing to give to the 49ers.  If Montana is traded how much
do you think he is worth?

Have a good 1993.
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Greatest Quarterback Ever?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:03:45 GMT

In article <YfDgyzu00WDKICJ49a@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 23-Dec-92 Greatest
>Quarterback Ever? Stephen Joseph Smith@cs. (1299)

>> To be fair:
>> Joe Montana [22 consecutive completions in 1987, won 4 Super Bowls, 
>> 		quarterback of the 80's 49ers]

>and those 22 "consecutive" completions came over two games. Not to take
>anything away from them, but don't go thinking he had 22 straight in one
>game....

Vernon, you're a riot.  First you scribe a truly dorky piece of dreck
as an attempt to smear Joe Montana, and now you feel compelled to 
discredit a tertiary-at-best feature from Montana's career, in the
context of a best-ever discussion, no less.  Why don't you grow up,
then dry up, then think about telling us some more about Montana's
lack of character.  Perhaps you'll realize how full of it you are.



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From: mark@totaltec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The NFC Playoffs Begin
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:34:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Total Tec Systems, Inc.

In article <1hsd0bINNdte@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
> In article <IfEERe_00WDKIFlp0u@andrew.cmu.edu> vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes:
>  >Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 29-Dec-92 The NFC Playoffs
>  >Begin 4E150M@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (748)
>  >
>  >> Congratulations to the Dallas Cowboys, NFC East Champs.  The most
>  >> wins (13) in team history.  A team that will be a force in the
>  >> NFL for years to come, with fine coaches, management, and players.
>  >
>  >
>  >I agree with you on this (although I don't like the idea! ;D) but what
>  >if free agency happens in the off-season!? With some of the egos in
>  >Dallas, I wouldn't be surprised to see the team practically dismantled,
>  >except that Jones will probably pay them through-the-nose to keep them
>  >all there.........
>  >
>  >what do you folks think?
>  >
>  >--Vernon.
> 
> 
> Well, Jerry Jones said last week that some form of Freedom for players
> will help the Cowboys because most players in the NFL would sign on with them
> in a minute. 
> 
This is a perfect example of the cocky arrogance of the Cowboys and only
reinforces my deep hatred of them!!!

GO EAGLES!!!
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes KILL the Pack
Keywords: Vikes win, the Pack LOSES
Date: 28 Dec 92 00:40:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bzy1vn.Evy
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

After the Pack beat up on some teams without the super pass
rush which the Vikes have, *some* of the Pack fans went into
orgasm and started belittling the Vikes.  Ofcourse, this is
not to take anything away from Holmgren and his Pack and
Favre on what they achieved this year. But many of the Pack
fans thought that the Vikes were push overs and would roll
over and die and that the Vikes have sneaked into the Div.
title and so on.... They overlooked the fact that even in 
their losses to 9ers, Skins, Oilers and Eagles the Vikes
gave a torrid time to their opponents before going down.
But I still feel that the Vikes will not go deep into the
playoffs unless they get an effort from their O like
they did today.

So this rout of the Pack was a great Christmas gift for
Vikes fans.  Finally Favre met a great pass rush in the 
likes of D-man, Noga and their purple gang. 

But at the same time I will say that the Pack will
be a force to reckon with in the NFC-Central in the
coming years.
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 06:27:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec30.224150.8657@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>  In any case, the argument "NFC champ > AFC champ" isn't a very interesting
>  one.

Especially when you further define it to "NFC Champs > AFC champs in the
last 8 years or so when using the SuperBowl as the only method of comparison"

>  argument using the definition itself! That's circular! Can't you see that?
>  If not, I suggest a course in logic.
>  Well, I've had to tease what your argument *was* out of you! You can't ex-
>  pect the statement "NFC champ > AFC champ", and all the underlying implicit
>  definitions to be obvious to anyone except Ed Lor.

Gary, you've obviously never taken a course in EdLorian Logic (tm).  :-)

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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:04:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.224150.8657@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>  You're losing it, Ed. You're getting too easy to argue with.
I guess so. With your brilliant inventions of "side corollary" and 
"underlying implicit definitions", I guess I am not good enough to argue
against imaginations.

>  Because, people mean "group of 14 teams" when they say "AFC" or "NFC", or
>  are you simply stating "NFC champ > AFC champ", with "NFC > AFC" as some
>  sort of logical corollary? 
Well, then you read too much into the obvious. If you try to read 
"NFC champs > AFC champs" => "NFC > AFC", that's your own problem. 
I didn't imply or state such corollary. You did. And you are arguing 
against "NFC champs > AFC champs" because of your hypothesized corollary?
Geez, does my claim imply "Nazi is God" too?

>  If you don't make the latter claim, then why bother belaboring the point, 
Because I know that this "NFC champs > AFC champs", an obvious, 
undeniable point, always infuriates you. Every time I bring it up, you try 
to lump your hypothesized corollary into the argument.

>  if you  *do* make the claim "NFC > AFC", then show the steps involved 
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  in getting from "NFC champ > AFC champ" to "NFC > AFC".
This is a false premise.

>  In any case, the argument "NFC champ > AFC champ" isn't a very interesting
>  one.
Interesting or not, I get you into an argument. And once again, you try to
refute but fail. Seems very interesting to me.

>  You're the one using the circular definition, for your own argument, Ed. If
>  you *define* "A > B" as "A beats B in the SB", and then say "the NFC streak 
>  of 8 SB wins means that the NFC champ > AFC champ", you're defining your
>  argument using the definition itself! That's circular! Can't you see that?
I can see that. But then how does "NFC > AFC" get into the this impenetrable
circular argument? 

  "Damn! I hate the sound of 'NFC champs > AFC champs'. It's too bitter 
   for us AFC fans to swallow.  Why don't we bring an irrelevant, 
   unstated corollary to crack the circle?"

>  If not, I suggest a course in logic.
Maybe you can teach me one in screw-up logic.

>  Well, I've had to tease what your argument *was* out of you! You can't ex-
>  pect the statement "NFC champ > AFC champ", and all the underlying implicit
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>  definitions to be obvious to anyone except Ed Lor.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^
Does it include some implicit definitions like I am a neo-Nazi and
a mass murderer too?

When someone has to fabricate some "underlying implicit" definitions to 
argue, it means that he has no argument against the face value of the claim.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills were LUCKY!!!!!!
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:29:47 GMT
Organization: UB

krishna@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Krishna R Akkina) writes:

>Givins.  I think all this just led to the Bills being LUCKY!!!!  Go ahead and 
>respond anyone.  I would like to see how you can deny they weren't lucky.

They were lucky. Very lucky. They basically had to have everything
go their way, and everything DID go their way.

But from another perspective you could say they were unlucky to be playing
without 4 starters, 3 of them pro-bowlers, including their entire starting
offensive backfield.

Bad calls happen in nearly every game. Even with instant replay you can't
avoid bad calls, so teams have to deal with it. I'm thrilled they went
the Bills way on this day, but next week it may be different and I'll
be whining about how we got screwed! :-)

>A Disgruntled Oilers fan and an Ecstatic Eagles fan.

Well, at least ONE of the comebacks went your way today!


Mike C.
From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Minnesota Vikings - 1993 Schedule.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:15:39 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Anybody know the 1993 schedule of the Vikes. If so could
u post or e-mail it to me.

A Big Thanx!
S.h
Forever Vikes Period.

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From: bernie@lgc.com (Bernie De La Torre)
Subject: Re: API All-Pro Team
Organization: Landmark Graphics LGC
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:15:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.214507.7197@pbhyg.PacBell.COM>, dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M) writes:
|> Copied from the SF Chronicle (12/29/92) w/o permission:
|> 
|> NFL All-Pro Team
|> 
|> The 1992 Associated Press All-Pro Team, as selected by a panel of 80
|> sportswriters and broadcasters:
|> 
|> 1st Team - Offense
|> 
|
|> PK - Pete Stoyanovich, MI

It's good to see Pete Stoyanovich on this list. He 's had three excellent
seasons in a row, yet never has been voted into the pro bowl. 


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From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes KILL the Pack
Keywords: Vikes win, the Pack LOSES
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:35:21 GMT
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN





In article <1992Dec28.164838.1556@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes:
->Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
->From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
->Subject: Re: Vikes KILL the Pack
->
->In article <Bzy1vn.Evy@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
->>After the Pack beat up on some teams without the super pass
->>rush which the Vikes have, *some* of the Pack fans went into
->>orgasm and started belittling the Vikes.  Ofcourse, this is
->>not to take anything away from Holmgren and his Pack and
->>Favre on what they achieved this year. But many of the Pack
->>fans thought that the Vikes were push overs and would roll
->>over and die and that the Vikes have sneaked into the Div.
->>title and so on.... They overlooked the fact that even in 
->>their losses to 9ers, Skins, Oilers and Eagles the Vikes
->>gave a torrid time to their opponents before going down.
->>But I still feel that the Vikes will not go deep into the
->>playoffs unless they get an effort from their O like
->>they did today.
->>
->
->
->What???  The Packers beat Philadelphia, Houston, and Pittsburgh this
->year.  All of these teams have a pass rush equal to (or better) than
->the Vikings.  In fact, the Packers were 3-2 vs. playoff teams this
->year, with the only 2 losses to the Vikings.
->
->
->-Todd
->
Pittsburgh has a pass rush??!!  You could have fooled me.

NONE of these teams has a pass rush equal to the Vikings.
Pittsburgh does not belong on this list.
Neither does Houston.
Philly has Reggie White and Clyde Simmons, two of the best, but overall
the Vikings are better.

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From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:05:26 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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 >>Montana WAS great,  Young is OK,  Bono's a wannabe.
 >>
I agree.

 >>--
 >Young is OK! Incredulous! Are we a bit jealous Steve? Check out the 
 >stats Steve, re: Highest rated QB in the NFL. Bono, in your eyes might 
 >be a wannabe, but Bono is a BONOfide QB in the NFL and could easily be 
 >a starting QB anywhere else.  Your response is typical of certain
 >net.whiners. :-)
 >
 >-- 
 > ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	

Danny White was the top rated QB in the league in 86, SO WHAT !
(until he broke his wrist)week 8

There are lies, damn lies 
and quarterback ratings......

Go Cowboys CRUSH Jerrys Kids !!!!!

"I want to smack the homey with the bandana on his head"
                                      Kenny (Shark Dance) Gant

Tim
From: jefff@meaddata.com (Jeff Fleck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC vs. NFC drivel
Date: 29 Dec 1992 18:26:19 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
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In article <29049@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:
|> In rec.sport.football.pro, john@ice.stx.com (John DiMarzio) writes:
|> >And might I remind you NFC boasters that in twelve superbowls from
|> >1969 to 1980 the NFC had a mere 2 wins.  The total count remains only
|> >14-12 in favor of the NFC and all this Conference dominance shit is making
|> >me very tired.
|> 
|>     Consider that 5 of the 12 AFC victories were won by ex-NFC teams
|> (Pittsburgh 4x and Baltimore 1x) and the score changes to 19-7 in favor
|> of NFC/ex-NFC.
|> 				 Steve


Actually they are ex-NFL teams.  Pittsburgh from the Century Division
of the Eastern Conference and Baltimore from the Coastal Division of
the Western Conference.

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From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Raiders vs. Redskins (CBS' unprofessionalism)
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:54:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


How about Randy Cross?  He's taken a few chapters from the Bill Walsh school
of commentating.  His pro-Niners bias is so blatant it's funny.  During the
Jets-Saints game, his picks for coach of the year (Seifert), defensive player
of the year (Ronnie Lott) and rookie of the year (Ricky Watter-Brett Favre)
was getting silly (not to say that these folks didn't deserve the honor but
it just seemed so one sided).

Frank Al and Don are a piece of work!

My favorites are the ESPN team (self-depricating), Matt Millen (who has
managed to transcend his team association) and Madden-Summerall.


satish nair
waiting for the shoe to drop