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                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 2820

                            Friday, July 24, 1992

Today's Topics:


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                           Blink Talk Digest # 660

                             Re: "Blind Loyalty"
                              music composition
                               Sneak preview!
                 Re: Help with Artic 3.04 on some PC Clones
                          Re: flipper moves ahead o
                         Re: trivia question again.
                             Do You Have The Nac
                             Has anyonShareware?
                           Re: DOGS AND LANDLORDS
                               Artic Question


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Subject: Re: "Blind Loyalty"
From: William.Wilson@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (William Wilson)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

To: mattioli@took.enet.dec.com (John Mattioli)

 JM> individuals.  This article, however, is a general interest
 JM> article and I truly hope it remains unposted here due to your
 JM> choice not the choice of the censor!

Yoah John,
    Assuming I is da censur on this end of the gate, the article not
being posted here has nothing to do with me!  Not only has nobody asked
me if they could post it, I ain't never prevented much of anything from
being posted here when I have been asked!

     Frankly, I am sure that Bill McGarry, who handles the porting of
messages from your side of the FidoNet/InterNet fense and back was just
concerned with the length of the article, and not the content.  It is,
after all, a 35k file or so I believe, and that is a bit much in FidoNet
terms, and it would have to be broken up into several messages, 10 or
more, in order for all the systems to be able to handle it.  If just one
person did this, I suppose it would be no big deal, but should several
participants take it upon their own to do it, LOYALTY.TXT could become
quite a nuisance and expense to the sysops of the FidoNet boards that
handle this echo.

     On the other hand, it has sort of surprised me that nobody has
taken it upon their own to import the file here, let alone in the not
too cleverly disguised alternative to this echo, BlindTalk!  Censuring
the file areas of a board, after all, is no big deal, but censuring a
FidoNet style echo is another matter!  It just isn't that easy of a
thing to do even if one did want to do such a thing, and place a message
in just one board handling the echo and chances are very good it will
appear on most ALL the boards handling the echo!

     Just a thought...that's all, but I assure you, there has been no
censurship in this echo!
                                        Willie

... BlinkTalk - the Electronic Voice of the Blind!

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Subject: music composition
From: Do.Barrett@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Do Barrett)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hey out there in the big wide world:

Does anyone know of a music writing program that is accessiblt in either
speech or braille.  I am not so much interested in playing music on the
computer, but in actually writing down compositions in musical notation
that is good enough to be publishable.  Any ideas would be vastly and
greatly appreciated.  Thanks much in advance for any help!  By the way,
I signed on incorrectly and my name is Don, not Do. Oh well, it could be
worse.

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Subject: Sneak preview!
From: Greg.Pike@f49.n272.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Pike)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:272/49 - Calliope's Den, Garrison NY


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

David Tanner writes:

 DT>         Well, let me say this for IBM.  Late as they are releasing Screen
 DT> Reader for OS2, they are at least tackeling the
 DT> problem.  Now, that is a lot more than can be said for
 DT> MicroSoft.  Windows 3.0 was released over a year ago

Well, just to be fair,  all of the access packages have their
advantages and disadvantages.  I'm not claiming that IBM's Screen
Reader is the best solution for everyone.  Different people
certainly have different needs, and different solutions appeal to
different kinds of people.  You brought up the point that the
profile language is difficult to learn, and I won't argue with
that.  It does provide a very configurable system, and I think it's
one of the most powerful on the market.  I haven't had a chance to
try JAWS since they added the macro capability, but I have used
earlier versions of it, and I've tried the demo of Flipper.  All
the access systems that I've seen are top notch and all the
companies involved deserve praise for their efforts.

MicroSoft and Windows is another story, of course, but there are
people working on that environment too, and it looks like at least
SynthaVoice has made quite a bit of progress.

The point here, of course, is that eventually things do get done.
Years ago people were saying that blind people couldn't use
computers at all.  That changed, and now there are a variety of
products to choose from.  Then they said that a graphical user
environment couldn't be used by blind people.  OutSpoken for the
Macintosh proved that wrong, and now we're starting to see more
products aimed at precisely that product.  Hang in there, and keep
fighting for the way that you know things should be.

/Greg

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Subject: Re: Help with Artic 3.04 on some PC Clones
From: Steve.Bauer@f7.n291.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Bauer)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:291/7 - Union Station, Wichita KS


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 DA> From: DAH@psuvm.psu.edu (Donald A. Hazle)
 DA> Index Number: 22850
I am running an AT&T 286 at work with Artic 3.03, DOS 5.0 and Word
Perfect 5.1.  I too am experiencing some lock up troubles. WP
suggested  trying the /NK or /NF switches, but I have not done that
yet.

If you come up with anything, I'd appreciate knwoing about it.

Steve

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Subject: Re: flipper moves ahead o
From: Tandy.Way@f6.n377.z1.fidonet.org (Tandy Way)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:377/6 - T.A.B.B., Tampa Fl


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

I was glad to read your message about flipper as you know I was a
devout user and still use version 306 which was a far cry from 2.74
the problem  with your message is we have heard these rummors of a
new revamped flipper for about a year and a half. until it hits the
streets as far as I am concerned it is nothing more than vapor ware
even if it washes the dishes and makes the coffee.  the smith crowd
have a bad habbit of promising the moon but delivering little.
like you I could become excited about the aledged new features but
some of us can only wait so long then our projects require we go on
to something that is here now. tandy

ICE CUBES ARE A HOT ITEM IN HELL.
=== Via Silver Xpress V3.00B09

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Subject: Re: trivia question again.
From: Christopher.Hill@p233.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Christopher Hill)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/4115.233 - Southern Crossroads, Grapevine TX


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

In a msg on <Jul 16 18:20>, Doug Geoffray of 1:369/8 writes:

 DG> Chris,

 DG> I can tell you Vocal-Eyes will support a screen up to 99 by 99.
 DG> That is 99 characters per line and 99 lines per screen.
 DG> Actually Vocal-Eyes can support 255 by 255 but the user
 DG> interface only allows 2 digits.  Humm.. If this is a problem,
 DG> I can very easily increase the number of digits to 3.  This
 DG> would allow the full 255 by 255.

doing an increase to the num of cols might help users of
mainframes, since many terminals can support 132 cols, and much of
the paper for mainframes is 132 col wide.  Could be useful for
report design.

Chris

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Subject: Do You Have The Nac
From: Dan.Kysor@f730.n203.z1.fidonet.org (Dan Kysor)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:203/730 - QST, Sacramento CA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 BK> .  Maybe in a year or
 BK> two, Nac can die and get it over with and the whole issue can be
 BK> forgotten.

well bill, thats my point.  nac will die probably but there will be no
change in how agencies are run.  the bottom line here is consumer
participation and involvement with these agencies.
if your denver blind center dosn't represent your needs or interests, it
certainly has nothing to do wit5h nac but more to do with the blind
community not speaking out and participating.  as i said earlier, nac needs
to go but they are not the problem.  its administrators who hire useless
staff at a lot of these centers... dan

... "I SURE FEEL MORE LIKE NOW THAN I DID AWHILE AGO!"

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Subject: Has anyonShareware?
From: Keith.Bucher@hnews.fidonet.org (Keith Bucher)
Organization: The Handicap News, Shelton CT (203) 337-1607


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hello everyone.  I would be interested in hearing from anybody
out there who has tried OCR Shareware.    Since the prices of the
ScanJet scanners has come down, I am trying to discover whether or not
there is any of the Shareware OCR programs which
will work with DOS, not in windows.  Thanks.

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Subject: Re: DOGS AND LANDLORDS
From: Carla.Campbell@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Carla Campbell)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hiya, again, Karen.

I can't *believe* anyone at Guide Dogs told you that your landlord could
charge you a pet deposit!  As you noticed, the California civil code
specifically  prohibits this.  The provision for charging for damage is
exactly that: *if* your dog guide was to damage the premises (chew up
door frames, make stains on the carpet, etc), you could be charged for
repairs after the fact.  But you cannot be charged a deposit in advance.

The assumption, here, is that a properly trained and cared for dog guide
*won't* cause any damage (hence no deposit), but that you are
responsible if he does (hence you can be charged for damage which is
done, if it is done.)

Hope this helps and hope you pursue this.
                                                 --Carla

... Read what I mean, not what I write!

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Subject: Artic Question
From: Carla.Campbell@p0.f89.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Carla Campbell)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/89.0 - BlinkLink, Pittsburgh PA


[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Ok, all you Artic Business Vision users out there... can you lend a
poor non-Artic user a hand, here, while I try to lend a hand to a
friend?

Does Artic have a "pass-through" or "literal" command to send the next
keystroke on through to the underlying application, rather than
grabbing it for its own use?  I've got someone set up using Telix,
only, see, we can't use ALT-X to quit out of it! (Artic BV seems to
want to use the ALT-X for something called "point tracking" and won't
relinquish it)  Most programs have a way to tell the speech software
"ignore the next key stroke and pass it through to the application I'm
running," but I haven't the foggiest what it is with Artic and I don't
have any docs (and hers are in Canada.)  Any help would be much
appreciated.

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