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From: jacob@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jacob Jin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Am I a chump or WHAT?
Date: 4 Sep 1992 06:03:12 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <17566@autodesk.COM> jamesr@Autodesk.COM (James Rowell) writes:
>I think I made a mistake by playing 2-4 Hold`em at the Oaks club in
>Oakland last night (it was Sept. 1 or PAYDAY for lots of folks).
>
>I'm getting better at playing this damn game, but I didn't have
>a hope in hell of winning last night.  Some very suspicious situations
>arose.  Several check raises on questionable hands in questionable
>position, and one guy frequently raising under the gun (raising his blind)
>before the flop, then dropping out immediately on the flop.
>My conclusion (could be sour grapes) is that some players were in collusion.
>I went expecting to find some loose players on payday naively neglecting
>that cheaters look at it the same way.  I'm not discounting that
>there were some very good players there too, but many of the
>regulars I often see there weren't around.
>

Sorry, that was me with the checkraising AK with a gutshot on the turn. It's
part of a program called: Make Them Fuckers Pay, also known as Can I Steal
This Pot? No? Well, Okay, I Have No Business Being In This Hand But Neither
Does Anyone Else Except The Top Pair Holder And I'm Going To Take All
Drawing Hands Down With Me. 

Personally, the best strategy to combat this is to not play cheese. I'm
on my way to being a serious cheesaholic since most of the hands I've
won in the past week have been big blind hands. 

Oh, and sorry again about raising preflop and dropping out onflop. I just
like to watch other players chase their 2 preflop bets to the river. Just
a little quirk of mine.















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From: watanabe@dante.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: blackjack simulator
Summary: request for program
Keywords: blackjack, program
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:29:53 GMT

Does anyone have the source for a blackjack simulator/tutor that
they would be willing to make available? Thank you.

-Larry Watanabe
From: dave@tgi.com (Dave Eldenburg)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: test
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:20:45 GMT
Organization: Thistle Grove Ind. Inc.

dave@tgi.com writes in article <714880862snx@tgi.com>:
>
> This is a test...

another one!!!
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From: David.Berger@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: What football game would you bet?
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:25:28 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <jason.30@dcs.umd.edu> jason@dcs.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.192813.27340@samba.oit.unc.edu> David.Berger@bbs.oit.unc.edu (David Berger) writes:
>
>>In article <10269@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger) writes:
>>>
>>>I think the 49ers will beat the Giants and cover the spread too.
>>>
>
>>So what is the spread?
>
>Giants, +2.5 points.
>

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't +2.5 mean that the Giants are
favored?  If so, and you think that the 49ers will win, how could they
not cover the spread?


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From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ()
Subject: Re: European No Hole BJ
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:07:42 GMT
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In <UedCRL600iUzM2q1dR@andrew.cmu.edu> David writes:

> I once saw the changes to basic strategy (probably on r.g) but I forgot
> them.  Does anyone know what they are?  Do you ever put more money on
> the table when the dealer has a 10 or A showing?

*Almost* never; never against an A, but you do split aces against a 10 (so
saith Patterson, anyway; a look at Thorp's expectation tables seems to 
confirm this.)

> How much is your expectation hurt by this rule?

0.13% (Gambling Times Guide).

> At the casino, the had some gambling magazine that they were giving out
> for free (I forgot what it was called), that had a column by Arnold Snyder.
> 
> Snyder's column was about *Aruba* no hole BJ.  In this game, dealer BJ
> takes all doubles and splits that bust, plus one more.  Sort of halfway
> between American and European No Hole.
> 
> Snyder says the only strategy variation is not to split 8's against
> 10 or A.  Clearly, this will be true for European no-hole, but are there
> more strategy variations?
> 
> Snyder says the cost of Aruba no hole is just .01%.
> So, European no-hole must cost > .01%

See above.

> An odd situation occured while I was playing.  The player to the right
> of 3rd base was dealt an extra card (an Ace) accidentally.  The card
> was offered to the 3rd base player who had a hard 18 (The dealer
> had an Ace showing).  The third base player said he wanted to stand
> and didn't take the Ace.
> 
> My first reaction was that the player was an idiot since he could have 
> had a 19 instead of 18.  Then I realized that he did something smart.
> The dealer had an Ace showing, and this being a no-hole game, the next
> card is the dealer's.  Instead of a potential BJ, the dealer got stuck 
> with 2 Aces for a soft 12.
> 
> Sounds to me like the 3rd base player made a smart move.  Any thoughts?

That does sound good, although soft 12 isn't all that bad a count to work
from (is soft *anything* bad?)

Andy Lipscomb				lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
"I suggest we make like a bread truck and haul buns"--Rosie O'Donnell
   (A_League_of_Their_Own)
From: kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: What football game would you bet?
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:41:10 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <la596vINNh3j@male.EBay.Sun.COM> arth@sudshead.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
> What one team would you bet on in the first week?
>
>The odds should be out tuesday.
>The sacramento papers has the vikings favored by 1 over the packers
>and I'm leaning toward the vikes.
>Thanks
>art


The vikes look good to me too.

I think the 49ers will beat the Giants and cover the spread too.

Here's to another year of Oregon Sports Action!

Go 49ers!
Go Timberline Wolfpack!
'91 Blue Division Champions
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From: jack@freezer.cns.udel.edu (Jack Seltzer)
Subject: Re: Double Exposure and Ace-Side Count
Reply-To: jack@freezer.cns.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:12:59 GMT

In article 87013@netnews.upenn.edu, casale@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Michael Casale) writes:
> Hi there,
> 	I've just recently stumbled onto this group and its incredible
> amount of gambling information.  It's been really helpful and the FAQ is
> great.  However I have a few questions.
> 
> First, Tropworld is offering Double Exposure blackjack (as you probably know)
> where the hole card is shown.  However dealer wins ties.  I imagine with
> this kind of rule change, the casino is still coming out ahead so regular
> basic strategy can't be used.  What would be the proper strategy to use and
> what would be a good counting system?  Is Double exposure with the proper
> system anymore or less profitable than regular A.C. blackjack?  Or should
> I just forget about it?
> 

Wong's Professional Blackjack contains basic strategy charts for 
double exposure and count charts based on Hi Opt I.  The house advantage
is higher than for the regular game, by .1% or .2%, I forget which.  There are 
only a few double exposre tables at TropWorld and they are generally $10.00
except when they are really busy on weekends and then it can go to $15.00.




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From: bimson@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (GREG)
Subject: Re: Pao Gao Poker......Was I Robbed?
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:59:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.182957.79558@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, hm00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOWARD JAY MILLER) writes...
>Here's my hand 88(10)(10)JQK
> 
>The dealer had 334479(10)
> 
>I set my hand up   88 (10)(10)JQK
> 
>She looks at my hand and decides to put her two pair below so she winds up
>with (10)9 33447.  A PUSH.
> 
>Is this fair?  Or must she split the pair?  I could have beaten her if I put
>both below because my KQ would have been higher also on the 2 card hand.
> 
>Replies are welcome and encouraged.
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I tried to post this same comment on an earlier post, but, alas, the 
server went haywire.

If you are in a casino that does this, NEVER play there again.  The 
big rule of thumb is that once the hand is set, it is not to be reset 
by anyone.  The dealer should be fired.

If you do insist on playing in the same casino, then find out the 
house rules, specifically how the dealer's hand is to be set.  Union 
Plaza in Vegas makes a brochure which tells the house rules on these 
difficult two pair hands.  For instance, as long as the dealer is 
holding two pair, both of which are 8's or lower, and there is no ace, 
the two pair must be split.  In other words, the dealer robbed you.

Greg Bimson
bimson@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov
From: davem@county.lmt.mn.org (David Mackmiller)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: What football game would you bet?
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:55:23 GMT
Organization: LaserMaster R&D, Minneapolis, MN  USA

In article <la596vINNh3j@male.EBay.Sun.COM> arth@sudshead.EBay.Sun.COM (Art Hebert) writes:

> What one team would you bet on in the first week?

>The odds should be out tuesday.
>The sacramento papers has the vikings favored by 1 over the packers
>and I'm leaning toward the vikes.

I haven't been a pro football fan (or even pro baseball) since they started playing 
indoors here in Minnesota.  And since they moved the stadium downtown, you can't even 
tailgate anymore unless you try to sneak a beer in some municipal parking ramp.  Gawd!

But I do read the papers and the Vikes had a remarkable pre-season.  They went undefeated 
and outscored their opponents 140-6.  Their last game they defeated the Redskins 30-0.  
They approximately doubled their opponents on all yardage and didn't throw any 
interceptions.  Looks like this could be a good year for the ViQueens.

They just got a new coach.  Maybe the last one was ineffective because he looked like 
Burgess Merideth.

The Viking-Packer rivalry is always a good one, since the Twin Cities metro area 
covers part of Wisconsin.  One point over the Pack?   Wish I had a farm to bet.

DaveMac
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From: hm00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOWARD JAY MILLER)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Pao Gao Poker......Was I Robbed?
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:29:57 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Here's my hand 88(10)(10)JQK

The dealer had 334479(10)

I set my hand up   88 (10)(10)JQK

She looks at my hand and decides to put her two pair below so she winds up
with (10)9 33447.  A PUSH.

Is this fair?  Or must she split the pair?  I could have beaten her if I put
both below because my KQ would have been higher also on the 2 card hand.

Replies are welcome and encouraged.
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From: arth@sudshead.EBay.Sun.COM (Art Hebert)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: What football game would you bet?
Date: 31 Aug 1992 23:01:51 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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Now that opening day is 6 days away, I'm heading to tahoe to play
balckjack and catch the season opener of football. I'm curious 
what the consensus of the net is in picking a game to bet on. So
I ask

 What one team would you bet on in the first week?

The odds should be out tuesday.
The sacramento papers has the vikings favored by 1 over the packers
and I'm leaning toward the vikes.

Thanks

art
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From: alvin@zany.mips.com (Alvin Oga)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: California Aces?
Date: 2 Sep 1992 23:28:08 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
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In article <Btvxq0.Hzq@cup.hp.com>, decot@cup.hp.com (Dave Decot) writes:
|> So, has anybody tried out the "blackjack substitute" being played at
|> the Garden City in Santa Clara, CA, yet?
|> 
|> What's the rules?
|> 
|> Dave

Yeah...what are the rules.... ?
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Subject: Re: slots
Reply-To: galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter)
Organization: New York University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:54:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.222641.18926@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>  
bobv@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Bob von Buelow) writes:
..

|Anywho, I put my share in the slots and was wondering how those puppies
|work.  Mechanical? Random number generators?  Is it possible to hit
|the (progressive) jackpot at any machine, or do I first have to 'find'
|the right machine, and then be there at the right time?  In other words,
|are they truly random (or at least as random as mechanics/electronics
|makes possible).   In particular, at the Nevada Nickels slots, which
|require 4 'NN', is the odds of hitting all four just X * X * X * X, where
|X is the number of 'stops' on a wheel? (assuming one NN per wheel)
|What is X typically?

This gets asked about once every couple of months, but from my observation  
this group is 80% (or more) Blackjack, 20% everything else.

My understanding is that all machines now being made, and virtually all  
machines to be found in major LV casinos, are electronic.  The arm is just  
a switch and the reels just display the state derived inside the computer.
The odds cannot be derived by counting the symbols on the reel and  
treating them, as it were, as cards in 3 or 4 decks each with a random  
selection.  The random number generators spew out a very long, but finite,  
sequence continuously...hundreds of thousands or millions (?) of states  
per second...so even if you "knew" when to pull you wouldn't be able to  
catch a given winner...

Phil


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From: egk@remarque.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Pai Gow poker at AC
Date: 24 Aug 1992 04:24:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1992Aug18.201909.19323@kpc.com> why@kpc.com (Will Hyde) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.181107.26383@njitgw.njit.edu> hou@hertz.njit.edu (Edwin Hou fac ece) writes:
>>I was in Trump plaza (AC) and played a couple of hands of PaiGow poker.
>>In one hand I was dealt QAAxxxx and set it up as Qx AAxxx,
>>the dealer had K7788xx. 
>>He first set it up as Kx 7788x and then when he
>>turned over the first player's cards, he looked puzzled, checked
>>with the pit boss, pit boss looked puzzled too and checked
>>a card and changed the hand to 77 88Kxx. I wonder if anybody
> ...
>  "...Once the first player's hand has been *exposed* the DP (Designated
>  Player--the house doesn't play) may not reset his hand...."
>
>  -will

Um, The orignal Poster Did NOT describe a player reseting his hand,
he described the dealer aranging and rearanging his hand, attempting
to figure out what the "House Way" was for his particular set of
cards.

(Aside) it would be nice to see more Pai Gow Poker articles here, I do
the PGP thing in LVS and in CA and enjoy both "styles".  I would
imagine that PGP in AC would be more like vegas.  I will be going to
AC the second week of Sept and will of course give PGP a check out.

In the situation mentioned above, the dealer played the hand correctly,
ie split the two pair.  The Bicycle Club in LA, (where PGP was born),
has a rule sheet which explains the "House Way" they use.  Most
places in Vegas use the Bike's House Way.  Check out their rule sheet
for the "two Pair" Algorithm.  If there are enuf PGP fan's I'll
post the rules (when I can dig out the sheet from all my old collections
of half used fun books).

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From: slick@netcom.com (Martin Veneroso)
Subject: Re: Guilty as Charged! (was Re: Kelly w/..)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 03:46:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>That does it -- I'm switching to games of real skill.  From now on,
>it's Pai Gow poker, the slots and the money wheel.

Nah, those are sucker bets.  Stick with the California Lottery.  Remember:
"our schools win too."
-- 
Martin Veneroso
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From: greg@plx.com (Greg Payne)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: California Card Clubs
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:21:20 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: PLEXUS Software, a division of REI

I have recently discovered the California Card Club. I immediately
went out and bought strategy books for Texas Hold'em and have played
for many hours the past week, actually winning even though I am just
learning the game. If any of you have any experience or opinions on 
these Clubs I would appreciate you sharing them with me. My initial
observation is that many players (especially at the 2-4 tables) are
very loose and will bet on anything, thus providing a potential 
"gold mine" for the mathmatical player. I know I am probably kidding
myself.  I have played the Vegas Casinos for years but this is a new
environment for me. Thanks in advance for any advice or comments.
From: TRADER@cup.portal.com (Paul Vincent McGinnis)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: anywhere near Albuquerque?
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 21:00:07 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I'm leaving for Albuquerque on Saturday - anyone know of any gambling
halls near there ? How about over the border in Colorado? 

This trip is rather sudden - after trying to resolve equipment problems
with one our customers until after 10PM last Thursday night, Friday I
went into my bosses office and said "I'm taking a week's vacation!!"

Paul McGinnis / TRADER@cup.portal.com
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From: jacko@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Jacko)
Subject: Re: Roulette and Trip to Edmonton!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:58:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.012037.7954@dragon.acadiau.ca> 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith) writes:
>on the verge of broke, so I bought another $20 worth of $.50 chips.  Then
>things started to work for me.  I bet $2 on 1-12; and it hit.  I left $4
>on the table and collected the $2.  It hit again.  I left $8 on the table and
>kept $4.  *it hit again*.  I left $16 on the table, and collected $8.
>
> *IT HIT AGAIN*.  I left $32 on the table, and kept $16.

What you are describing is a system called "Up and Pull".  Everytime you
win, you up your bet and at the same time pull back some of the profits.

(I was in the mall the other day checking out the gambling books in the
bookstores.  Finally found a store which carried a few John Patrick books.
Can you believe he has a craps book which is about as thick as Ken Uston's
Million Dollar Blackjack, chock full of systems like this??)

"Up and Pull" is an excellent general purpose system, but when you become
a craps expert you can try systems like "Field/Place" and "The Patrick System".
(Oops, I forgot, we're talking about roulette here.)

> All while betting, I was also putting $2 each time on "2".
> *IT HIT NEXT*.  So, I had a $70 payoff from the "2" and collected $64 from
>the 1-12 hit, and left the $32 ride.
>
> No luck next time ;-).

What the hell, how often do you get to Edmonton anyway.  Am I right?

> I had ammased quite a few chips, so I went up to Dollar chips.  I kept betting
>$2 on "2", and $10 on 1-12.  I hit the "2" two more times that afternoon, and
>hit 1-12 probably close to %40 of the time...

Obviously a biased wheel.      ;-)

> I cashed out at $425.50.  Not bad for my first walk through a Casino Door. ;-)


Wow, your bankroll is really exponentiating like crazy.

Jacko.
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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Gambling in Colorado
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 14:13:43 EDT
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
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Subject: Re: Gambling in Colorado
From: David Berger, David.Berger@bbs.oit.unc.edu
In article <1992Aug26.174113.5633@samba.oit.unc.edu> David Berger,
David.Berger@bbs.oit.unc.edu writes:
>Does anyone know if there is any gambling establishments/ casinos around
>Colorado Springs?  I will l be making a trip there relatively soon and
would
>like to make my trip that much better.
>
Yes, there is.  About 1 hour by car is an old gold-rush town (Cripple
Creek, If I recall) which has been converted to gambling establishments
as in old days.  If you are a serious gambler, don't go.  Poker at $1.00
maximum per bet, three raise limit, and 2 or 3 max per last bet.  Not
very exciting since you can't possibly bluff people out with those kinds
of bets.  It's a beautiful side trip through very scenic country, but Las
Vegas, it's not.
All the major hotels in CS can direct you to these establishments (about
30 or so in that town).
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From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Time to gang up on Jacobs!!
In-reply-to: jacobs@cs.utah.edu's message of 3 Sep 92 07:41:32
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:11:18

In article <JACOBS.92Sep3074132@cells.cs.utah.edu> jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs) writes:
> The important thing is that I beat Michael Hall :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
> Made him ill, too!  Everything after that was just icing on the cake.

Clarification:  I didn't personally bust Michael, so when I say I "beat"
him I only mean that I outlived him (but making him ill must have
helped :-)
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Never teach a card counter to sing.  It wastes your time and gets the card
 counter barred."