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From: ngoldber@nyx.cs.du.edu (norm goldberg)
Subject: IMSA abandons GTP for open cockpits
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 06:04:34 GMT


  In a stunning turn of events, IMSA has abondoned GTP sports cars for
open cockpit single seaters with fenders. In an effort to bolster fields
and reduce costs,single seater machinary such as the Lola Indy car,will
now be accepted in IMSA so long as the car has it's wheels covered.This
harps back to the second generation of CAN-AM when old F5000 cars were
outfitted with extra bodywork and fenders to give that sports car illusion.

  The idea is to phase out the current day sports cars gradually over 2 to
3 years.Both types of cars will compete together next year,but no new
closed cockpit machinery will be homologated in '94.All this info comes
via our AP news feed.
From: jitloke@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Jit-Loke Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Corvette GS ??
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:27:29 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <184325@pyramid.pyramid.com> danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:
>Dan Jones writes:
>>Robert Smith writes:
>>
>>>Does anyone know if there are any of the Corvette Gran Sports still
>>>in existence? I think only four or five escaped the factory before
>>>the line was shut down.
>>
>>I believe there were 5 coupes and 2 roadstrs built. 
>
>After reading a bit more on the subject, this is misleading.  As of 1989

A recent article in AutoWeek says that 5 were built and they're all still 
around. I don't know how accurate the article is.

Jit
From: tdonahue@star-trek.bbn.com (Tim Donahue)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: I asked Michael (Michael a F1 driver, NOT!)
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:27:56 GMT
Reply-To: tdonahue@BBN.COM (Tim Donahue)
Organization: Bolt Beranek & Newman Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: archive.bbn.com

In article <19NOV199211283049@utarlg.uta.edu> b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
>
>Andretti dominanting Indy cars ? You have a very short memory, one
>championship in ten years hardly qualifies as dominating. 

I think it is fair to say that Michael has been dominating Indycars over
the last two seasons.  Whether this is because he's the "best" driver or
because he's been driving the "fastest" car isn't clear. 

>I think the notion that Andretti will bring more exposure to F1 is
> equally dubious.  Aside from the Indy 500, Indy cars isn't watch by
> that many more Americans than F1.

Certainly *a lot* more people *pay* to see Indycars race than have ever
paid to see a USGP. Witness Phoenix - the sum total crowd over three
years wouldn't fill even one-quarter of IMS on Memorial Day.  

What about television?  Hard to say - but I would guess that numbers
exist.

I personally think that Michael's presence in F1 will cause greatly
increased media attention in the US - especially if 1) he does well and
2) a US GP is added to the '93 or '94 schedule.

>George

Cheers,
Tim
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From: marti@inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: Information wanted
Organization: Dept. Informatik, ETH Zurich, Switzerland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:49:03 GMT

In article <Bxx4sn.Hxo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Toby Vaughn Padfield) writes:
>[The Audi Avus] did, indeed, have a 6-litre W-12, said to produce 500+
>horsepower. Audi was considering production of this car, for over $1,000,000
>a a pop! As for making an F1 engine out of it, I doubt that. A more lkely
>bet would be a brand-new 3.5L V10. The Audi Avus was introduced at the Tokyo
>Motor Show, by the way...

I didn't say they were making a 3.5l W12 engine OUT OF the 6l W12.
I would assume that they would design and build such a thing from
scratch.  In any case, I agree that the best guess is a 3.5l V10.


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From: gfg@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Gabriele F. Giuliani)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: I asked Michael (I WISH I DID!)
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:15:47 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Psychic Department

Pat Hayes writes
>... wider range of driver aptitude. If you think about it that way,
>then F1 is a younger man's series, and IndyCar is a natural
>step for a hot, but older, driver to 'graduate' to. Sorta
>like 'the seniors' tour', if you will. F1 is more of a sprint
> etc. etc.

It seems to me that your argument is basically supporting my original
statement, as far as the "graduating thing" as GB would put it, we must
be attaching quite a different semantic meaning to the verb 
"graduating" (well, may be they could coincide in the case of a really lousy 
college, jest kidding!).
If a were a decent F1 driver the "graduation" to the Indy series would likely 
cost me a gigantic pay cut. In fact I would be curious to know what is the 
average take home for a Indy car driver and a F1 driver, also it would be 
interesting to have an idea of the (total, including endorsements etc., and
just from the contract with the team) yearly take home of the top 10 F1 
drivers as well as the top 10 Indy car drivers: I don't have the numbers but 
I reasonably expect that the figures would be really, really different. 
So in this case it would be better to goof off and ... never graduate. ;-) gfg

PS: It seems that Mansell did in fact take a substantial pay cut to drive 
for N-H. I guess he wanted really badly to drive alongside Mario Andretti. 
What a team!
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From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Subject: IndyCar:  Foyt goes Ford?!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:35:15 GMT

Haven't seen this tidbit posted, so I offer it.

AJ Foyt announced his driver for next season will be Robbie Gordon and based
on all those Ford jackets, it looks like he'll have Ford power....  :-)

Foyt said he may try to qualify on the second weekend at Indy if things are
going ok.  AJ looks to extend his consecutive Indy 500 starts to 36.

A bit of trivia:  AJ won three Indy 500's before Gordon was born......

Rob U, damn, now I feel old.....   :-)
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From: gfg@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Gabriele F. Giuliani)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: I asked Michael (Michael a F1 driver, NOT!)
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:06:01 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Psychic Department

(i) As far as the statement that Michael Andretti is a F1 driver: he is not.
He will become one soon hopefully, but his training is in Indy cars (yellow
flags and all). It is not obvious that his dominating of Indy cars racing
will make him an instant- or otherwise - success in F1. As much as I would 
like to see that happening (for one it would expose more of the USA public 
to F1) I am not holding my breath for it.  

(ii) Regarding the nationality of the various drivers: The actual nationality
(i.e. what nationality is declared in their passport) is obviously
insignificant. Besides many of them most likely hold multiple passports. 
Mario Andretti is clearly an american driver by training and career, 
Mansell (living in FLA) is on the other hand a british driver. In fact if 
the residence would qualify as the criterion of assigning race drivers to 
the various countries Montecarlo would have an unsuspected lion's share 
(a large number of F1 drivers are resident of Montecarlo because of the local 
tax regulations). 

Cheers, gfg
From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell brake tests Senna
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:49:13 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <1992Nov10.160034.49875@ccvax.ucd.ie> wboatclb@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:
>
>   Hi, after reading countless posts on the Senna/Mansell incident, I
> thought I'd better add my 2 pence worth. First of all, I haven't seen
> many replays, (no VCR) only what was shown on the BBC highlights. 
>
>   Anyway, I firmly believe that Mansell brake tested Senna and was 
> therefore an accident of his own making. 
> 

Anyone who believes this tripe has shit for brains.  First we had the 
conspiracy theorists, and now this.  I guess Mansell thought the best
way to defeat Senna was to risk bringing Senna's car down on top of
his own head, which could easily have happened when one open-wheeled
car piles into the rear of another at speed.  Witness Patrese's flight.

It's time to unsubscribe until the 93 season gets underway and there
is something intelligent to talk about.

Dave Wilson
From: dreining@gmuvax.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Goodyear F1 calanders available
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:19:51 -0500
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.

The new Goodyear racing calendar is now available.
This is a really nice calander which has F1 pictures
for the first 10 months by Paul-Henri Cahier. In 
Nov. you get a picture from the WSC and Dec. you
get shots from Indy. At least this is the way they
have been for the past few years.
This makes a lovely holiday gift, I give them to
friends each year.
Here's the ordering info. :
 
write:    Goodyear Gift Center
          1201 E. Market
          Akron, OH   44316

call:     (216) 796-7117
 
They take plastic over the phone.

Disclaimer: I don't even know anyone at Goodyear.
I have to pay the $9.95 per calander too.

Dave Reininger   dreining@gmuvax.gmu.edu
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From: msorsini@eos.ncsu.edu (MARCO SALVADOR ORSINI)
Subject: Re: Patrese
Originator: msorsini@c00570-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: patrese
Reply-To: msorsini@eos.ncsu.edu (MARCO SALVADOR ORSINI)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:16:19 GMT


In article <1992Nov19.014050.25389@leland.Stanford.EDU>, motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta) writes:
|>Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
|>Path: taco!rock!stanford.edu!leland.Stanford.EDU!motta
|>From: motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta)
|>Subject: Patrese
|>Message-ID: <1992Nov19.014050.25389@leland.Stanford.EDU>
|>Sender: news@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mr News)
|>Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
|>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:40:50 EST
|>Lines: 12
|>
|>Ok, some say Senna is an ass. 
|>I personally think that Senna, Mansell and Prost they all suck!
|>It's time for new blood. How about Fittipaldi (the kid, not the old one)
|>But I think that the prize "Sucker of the Year" has to go to Patrese (oops, I
|>forgot how to spell it among other words, of course).
|>He had everything to make this year a little more interesting than it was 
|>if he had put a little pressure on his team. 
|>But, no! He sat in his cockpit waiting for God knows what, accomplishing
|>a mediocre role when he could have been the factor for "emotions" in the 
|>races. I'm not even talk about taking the title from Mansell but at 
|>least faking a desire of!!!
|>I really miss Piquet in his old days, N. Lauda and F. Cevert!!!
|>

  I think Patrese did a wonderful job this year.  His mission was to let 
  Mansell win and to finish second for not only the points, but also to
  clinch the manufacturer's championship.  Throughout all the races
  he was in a position to take the points lead and the driver's 
  championship if Mansell were to horribly injure himself and be unable
  to continue.  He was Williams number _two_ driver which means he does
  anyting and everyting in his power to let the teams number one driver
  win the drivers championship and the team to win the manufacturers
  champoionship. It just shows that there are gentlemen in F1 today.
  I am sorry that Williams will not let him drive in '93 just because
  he did his job in '92.  Enough said
  Just my opinions

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From: brims@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu (George Brims)
Subject: Re: Senna's an ass!
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:24:23 PST

In article <1e7hcbINNj1c@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Ong) writes:
>What about the fact that Mansell took a different line on the approach
>to the hairpin.  He did not take the racing line and hogged the track.

Damn it hogging the track is taking a racing line! Do you think Senna wasn't
racing at Monaco? Sheesh...

George Brims
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Subject: NASCAR: Now that's championship racing!
From: <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:55:12 EST
Organization: Penn State University

  Well, my main man didn't win, but it was still and AWESOME championship
  race. CONGRATS to Alan Kulwicki. If anyone deserves it more than Bill
  it is he. What a race. It had it all. Yeah Ernie, ya finally made up
  for taking Bill out at Daytona 28 races ago. ;-)  Have to hand it to Davey
  tho no whining for a change. As I've heard many times, you have to loose one
  to win one. Yet, here's AK winning it all and I don't remember him being
  in the hunt on the last race. What a race! F1 and Indycar, eat your heart
  out.
Brian ' 91 days to Daytona. I can't wait! Congrats Alan! ' France
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From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Subject: Winston Cup Opinion; Not of Interest to F1
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 08:05:34 EST

If you think Formula One is the be all and end all of
motorsport, a.k.a The Gospel According to Bernie, please
read no further.
 
Sunday's NASCAR Winston Cup finale packed more excitement,
competition and drama into three hours than F1 has been
able to compile in a year. That Kulwicki and Elliott
should take both the battle for the race and the
series title down to the final laps is what motorsport
should be all about. As one who armchair managed a whole
bunch of wrong decisions, i.e. he's got to stop now
for fuel, you just HAVE to change two tires if you're
running out front, I had to be impressed with the
thorough analysis on the fly that Kulwicki's team
was able to come up with to snare the championship.
 
Davey Allison personified the true character of a
world class competitor in his interview after
being taken out of the championship by the errant
Ernie Irvan. In a season where Allison has endured
physical and emotional anquish, this last blow
could have elicited a petulant outburst about how
unfair it all is, but there was none of that
whining from Davey, but rather a determination to
come back next year for another try. Perhaps S & M,
i.e. Senna and Mansell, whose latest tableaux (sp ?)
was pathetic, could take note.
 
Congratulations to Alan Kulwicki, whose focused
determination drew some critical comments from
otherwise well-informed skeptics.
 
It may not be high-tech, or appeal to the Town &
Country target market, but the Winston Cup is,
In My Not So Humble Opinion, what top-level racing
ought to be about: Long May It Endure.
 
Greg Rickes
 
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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: Porsche at Le Mans (was Re: F1 Stuff)
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:42:40 GMT

In <1992Nov23.090728.6727@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:

>In article <thos.722488360@suite.sw.oz.au>, thos@suite.sw.oz.au
>(Thomas Cohen) writes:
>|> John Wyer was right because he had an awful lot of experience of
>|> endurance racing.
>[ ... ]
>|> Based on Porsche's record at Le Mans, you'd be wise to use a short-tail,
>|> because the long-tails never won there.

>I'd just like to point out that
>- in 1970, John Wyer ran three Porsche 917, all of which were short-
>  tails, and he didn't win Le Mans
>- in 1971, John Wyer ran a 917K as a third entry (with Siffert/Bell
>  and Rodriguez/Oliver in long-tail cars), and he didn't win either
>  (although the K came home 2nd while the long-tails dropped out)

>So, yes, the long-tails didn't win, but neither did the _John_Wyer_
>short-tails.

Yes, that's true. They won just about everywhere else though, (not
that that is important to the argument, since the long-tails were
never used anywhere else). I was just replying to the original
assertation that Porsche knew everything, and 'what was this Wyer
bloke doing questioning their judgment?'

Also, my reply was to the original comment that Porsche's record
made it more likely that the long-tail was the car to use, when of
course the long-tail never won. The inappropriateness of using history
to recommend using a car which never actually won was interesting.

And, even though the JW-Gulf 917Ks didn't win, the Martini 917Ks _did_
and they used either the Wyer tail or the modified Wyer tail, thereby
adding weight to Wyer's views on the advantage of outright speed on
Mulsanne.

regards,
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From: marti@inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: Information wanted
Organization: Dept. Informatik, ETH Zurich, Switzerland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:59:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.103458.17614@abo.fi> TBACKMAN@finabo.abo.fi
(Timo B{ckman TF) writes:
>Two notices from the local papers that I haven't seen yet in r.a.s. 
>1. McLaren will use Ford HB V8 engines 1993. They have to use the same
>engines as Lotus. Benetton will have the latest versions. BUT in 1994
>McLaren will use AUDI engines. Audi has withdrawed from the DTM championship,
>and are now coming back to F1 in 1994. Can anyone confirm this?

I can confirm that Audi has withdrawn from the German Touring Car
Championship aka DTM.  They will run a car (or cars) in the French
Touring Car Championship, though!

As for their alledged F1 plans, there has been some speculation in
Motorsport aktuell.  Indeed, they had an interview with Dieter Basche,
the guy in charge of Audi's sports activities, who neither confirmed
nor denied a possible F1 involvement.  He even mumbled something that
1994 would be a little early.  Hans-Joachim Stuck was reported as
saying that, at the present time, there were some "preliminary studies"
as to what kind of engine might be best (V8, V10 or V12).  Motorsport
aktuell went even further and speculated about a "W12" design (3 banks
of four cylinders with a common crankshaft).  Apparently, Audi already
has a 6 litre W12 engine for a show car which was shown in Tokio (?)
last year.

I guess we'll have to wait and see if anything will ever come
out of this ...

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From: cone@controls.ccd.harris.com (Tom Cone)
Subject: MY PCIK FOR 93
Organization: Harris Controls and Composition
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:39:49 GMT

Just wanted everyone to know who my pick to win the WC Championship
for 93 is...................


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           A   A              B       B          E
          A     A             BBBBBBBB           EEEEE
         AAAAAAAAA            B       B          E
        A         A           B       B          E
       A           A          BBBBBBBB           EEEEEEEEE

            ANY                 BODY               EARNHART
                                                   ERVIN
                    (And ofcourse Wal-ass)

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From: Mika.Paakko@lut.fi (Mika Paakko)
Subject: WRC: more results of the RAC...
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:42:33 GMT
Distribution: rec
Reply-To: Mika.Paakko@lut.fi
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland



RAC: Some results for SS10 - SS12 


SS 10
-----------------------

1. Auriol	13.33		Wilson having problems with gearbox
2. Kankkunen	13.35		and turbo.
   McRae	13.35
4. Sainz	13.37
5. Vatanen	13.41
6. Biasion	13.46
   

SS 11
-----------------------
1. McRae	19.38
2. Sainz	19.41
   Wilson	19.41
4. Auriol	19.46
5. Vatanen	19.48
6. Kankkunen	19.51


SS 12
-----------------------
1. McRae	14.54
2. Sainz	15.02
3. Auriol	15.05
4. Kankkunen	15.07
   Wilson	15.07
6. Alen		15.10


Here are is a table with some of placements:

Driver		SS10	SS11	SS12
----------------------------------------
Sainz		4	2	2	
McRae		2	1	1
Kankkunen	2	6	4	
Biasion		6	8	8	
Auriol		1	4	3	
Vatanen		5	5	7	
Alen		8	7	6	
Blomqvist	7	9	15	
Eriksson	9	10	9	
Wilson		28	2	4	
Makinen		21	18	10	
Lampi		11	14	12	
McRae A.	15	16	16	
----------------------------------------


Results after 12/34 SSs:
--------------------------------
 
1.  Carlos Sainz	ESP	Toyota		1.25.03
2.  Colin McRae		GBR	Subaru		1.25.15
3.  Juha Kankkunen	FIN	Lancia		1.25.43
4.  Didier Auriol	FRA	Lancia		1.25.47
5.  Massimo Biasion	ITA	Ford		1.26.15
6.  Ari Vatanen		FIN	Subaru		1.26.16
7.  Markku Alen		FIN	Toyota		1.26.26
8.  Stig Blomqvist	SWE	Nissan		1.27.46
9.  Kenneth Eriksson	SWE	???		1.27.57
10. Malcolm Wilson	GBR	???		1.28.42
...	
15. Tommi Makinen	FIN	Nissan		1.31.16
16. Alister McRae	GBR	Ford		1.32.42	(Group N 1st)




More results later today...
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From: welty@sculptorq.crd.ge.com (richard welty)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna to move to Penske?
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:20:45 GMT
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies

In article <1992Nov16.013130.15598@citec.oz.au> sgccgdc@citec.oz.au (Greg Clough) writes:
*Has anybody else heard the Rumor that Senna will be going to drive for
*Penske this year?  I really hate the sight of blood, so they had better
*keep the razor blades away from poor Nigel ...

this seems damned unlikely; Roger Penske is hardly in need of driving
talent right now, and Senna doesn't seem to have the Penske personality
type in any case.  Penske runs his race team as an efficient business,
and all too often, Senna seems to behave like sand in the works.

richard
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