HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Harold Climer <HCLIMER%UTCVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Miscellany (Re: 24-hour info line notes)
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:35:52 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

On 1/08/93 Shag said:
>johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
>
>>GEOS is the name of the system and does *NOT* stand for anything.
>
>So it HAS been changed.  Quoting the cover of my GEOS 2.0 manual (that's
>*Commodore* GEOS 2.0, folks ;) -
>
>"GEOS(TM)  Graphic Environment Operating System"
>
>I guess when Berkeley Softworks became Geoworks, it sold itself the rights
>to the name GEOS, then promptly got rid of whatever it stood for. ;)
>
>>But why would anyone want to run much slower on much more expensive
>>hardware and that has a shorter battery life?  :-? :-)
>
>Simple, John.  To balance out the technosadists like myself who enjoy
>torturing software, the world needs an equivalent number of technomasochists
>who enjoy being tortured by software.  (Bill Gates' secret fetish... ;)
>
>>The System Software Overview has been completely rewritten and was not done
>>in GeoWrite (I don't know why not either).  And no it won't be posted
>>electronically.
>
>Feh.  Foo.  Bar.  Baz.  I suppose if I bought it then typed it in (using
>GeoWrite) and uploaded it, they'd be rather upset, too.  (Although somehow
>I suspect the SSO is not responsible for a significant chunk of Geoworks'
>revenue...)
>
>-Shag
                       Shag,
                            I can tell you in one word,GREED. I can see
   the day coming when the "public" exchange of information will come
   to and end. ie no more libraries. You will only be able get information
   " knowledge" if you pay for it. Maybe I read too much science fiction
   but I see signs of it already.
                 Propritary knowledge is one thing but information that has
   no  effect on a companies  sales of a product is another.  Another beef  I
   have are bugs, a lot of companies that publish software are not very forth-
   coming in letting the users know this information. They would rather sell us
   a new and usually more expensive version, and the tell us that they fixed
   the bugs from the previous version in the newest one.
                Considering we do not really "own" most software we purchase
   I feel    that Geoworks and other companies could do lots better in after
   "purchase" support.

                                         Harold Climer
                                         Physics Dept.
                                         U. Tennessee at Chattanooga
From: bo09+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brock Eugene Organ)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Wanted: IBM PC TIFF MS FORTRAN code
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:27:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.EfGpnjW00WB4Q75YUS
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I am currently involved in a project to implement
scanned bitmaps in a real time data collection program.
The program is written in MS FORTRAN on the IBM PC.

Does anyone know where I can find a TIFF reader,
or a good explanation on how to write one? (I have the
format,  but don't understand how it works.)

Thanks,

Brock

*****************************************************************************
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Department of Psychology,  Carnegie Mellon University
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GeoWorks CD-ROM and soundcard manager (?!)
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:15:10 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

ppaglia@bnr.ca (Peter Paglia P925) writes:

>I just saw an ad for the new Sony CD-ROM package, one of the disks
>it contains (new for '93) is the :

>GeoWorks CD-ROM and soundcard manager

>It's listed in the latest Cruchfield (SP?) consumer electronic 
>catalog. (they specialize in car stereo)

>Does anyone (who is NOT bound by a non-disclosure agreement, of
>course :) have any more on this?

This appeared in a TigerSoftware catalogue at the end of 1992.  At
that time, it was just the GeoWorks CD-ROM Manager, and didn't say
anything about soundcards.

The package (CD-ROM player and software) is aimed at people who do
not have Windows on their computers (can't afford it, don't have a
fast enough computer, have a brain, whatever reason ;)

Since Geoworks hasn't mailed me my non-hypothesizing agreement (I
expect they will sooner or later to keep me from conjecturing about
everything ;)  I'd like to point out that if there is a CD-ROM and
Soundcard manager for GEOS, I guess that would answer our questions
about whether GEOS was going to get involved with multimedia!

I just hope they take the same approach to soundcards as they have
taken to printers - support EVERYTHING.  (I've got a 1989-vintage
original AdLib. ;)

-Shag

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Geoworks contact info?
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:51:43 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest


Been wondering about this... 

Other than the person-to-contact-about-press-releases, the tech-support gang,
the developer-support fax number, and the ever-popular "twnty-four hour
information hotline" (which I _really_ should call sometime)...

Are there any phone numbers, fax numbers, or addresses that Geoworks
would like us all to know?  I haven't really been able to find a whole lot
in the manuals, and even less in the way of department- or topic-specific
ones.

If there are any that aren't in the manuals, could they be FAQ'd?

-Shag
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From: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 11:13:16 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <71!32_+@rpi.edu>, gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile) writes:
>In article <1igu6hINN811@golem.wcc.govt.nz> harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>Out of interest, is the non-disclosure agreement covered by It's self?  If it's
>>not then perhaps a copy of it could be posted here, so that we can see what we
>>*are* allowed to be told, and perhaps help in getting answers.
>
>actually, yes, the non-disclosure agreement is covered by itself, and I therefore
>cannot legally divulge its contents, but I do not think that this covers its
>existance, which is all I mentioned.

Oh well, I guess that means we have to 'black box' it.  ie note which questions
/ parts of can't be responded to by john, or any others who have signed the NDA
to work out it's approx. contents.  (of course, It won't give everything....
:-)).  

Adrian (whois bored, and feeling silly :-)

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From: "James E. Seay" <JESEAY01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject: Geoworks and OS/2 2.0
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:36:54 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

Member Generations: Starbase Louisville
Phone:588-6522

Has anyone been able to get Geoworks to work under OS/2 2.0? I have been
looking into the possibility, since my dad's workplace uses OS/2.

One more thing. Does the program Alltype have the ability to convert True
Type fonts to Geoworks format?

James E. Seay
BITNET: JESEAY01@ULKYVM
INTERNET: JESEAY01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU
Beware the Village, Where your days are numbered and so are you
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: CES revelations
Date: 10 Jan 93 12:07:06 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnlee@crash.cts.com (John Wiley) writes:


>Hey, Shag!

Hey, yourself!  (Be polite, greet everyone else too. ;)

>I just returned from CES in Las Vegas, having actually played with one
>of the two prototypes for the "Zoomer."  

*dripping lust*

>I'd be happy to tell you more about it.
>But you must beg.  |)

*kneels down, lolls tongue out, and barks like a schnauzer*

>...and not expect too much, since I've signed the dreaded non-disc.

They make you sign an agreement just to play with it?  Sheeeeit.

I wonder if there's anything you're allowed to tell?

-Shag (just on for a moment as the toll-free dialin's fubar'd)


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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: CES Info.
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:08:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.225657.27710@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
>Never say I didn't give you anything... :-)  This has *just* been released
>for public consumption.

Note that I posted this press release a full *six minutes* before John
did. Call me "Mr. Speedy" (hey, my girlfriend does, you can too!).
-- 
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"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Look and feel (Re: GEOS Press Release)
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:24:46 GMT

In article <Jan.11.22.31.40.1993.21558@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>chuck@melmac.Harris-ATD.com (Chuck Musciano) writes:
>
>>     I seriously doubt you would want to take *any* app compiled for one
>>platform and run it, without recompilation, on another platform.  Geos
>>apps still have x86 instructions in them, regardless of which assembler
>>(blech) or compiler produced them.  This would mean that a SPARC version
>>of Geos would have to interpret an x86 app, which would really slow
>>things down.
>
>Could you state your source for "Geos apps still have x86 instructions in 
>them"?  I don't know any more about Geos internals than you do, but I would
>_suspect_ that most of the actual processor-specific calls would be in the
>kernal or the main library, and the apps would call higher-level routines
>which would handle all the processor- or platform-specific stuff.  No hard
>facts on my side, except that to me, it seems like something GeoWorks would
>do.
>
>Could John or Andrew verify this one way or the other (if the NDA allows)?

I'll go out on a limb with this one... I think the NDA-Gestapo will
let me say this.

Most GEOS apps are written in x86 assembly language. (Actually, in
8086 assembly language, i.e. they use no 286/386-specific
instructions.) Some are written in an obect-oriented dialect of C,
which is compiled to x86 machine code.

Porting GEOS to a non-x86 based architecture would require rewriting
almost everything from the ground up (unless the machine was
simulating an x86).
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: GWE Engineers just kids?
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:38:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.010318.1923@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.075650.3020@sfu.ca> mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin
>Tichy) writes:
>>I read some message on Geoworks Fido net Echo that the Geoworks
>>engineers were really young.  Is this true?  I mean I don't hold
>>anything against a programmer just because he's a kid or something.
>>If he has talent, it'll show, regardless of his age.  I'm
>>pretty young too but I was just curious this little rumour.  It'll
>>give me some motivation if it's true!
>
>GeoWorks hires many engineers right out of school.  The current range of
>full time engineers is somethin like 22 to late 30's.

A bit of GeoWorks folklore: One of our administrators (the essential
Bobbie Valladon) was at some trade-show (maybe Comdex, maybe not). She
mentioned to someone that PC/GEOS runs on 8086-88s. The other person
said, "Why didn't you release it in '82?" Bobbie said, "Because our
engineers were twelve years old."

This is an exageration, but not much of one-- a lot of the engineers
here really are in that age range. I'd guess that most here are in
their mid-to-late twenties, with some in their thirties. And the
co-ops, of course, are still in college-- call it 19 or 20.
-- 
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"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
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From: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey)
Subject: Re: Posting to FTP sites
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 07:57:12 GMT

nah....he can't do that...or it would be too difficult...unless you can
post lots of color graphics from GeoWrite to usenet. (I wish)  GeoBytes is
notorious for lots o graphics....everytime I download a copy and read it,
it really gives my 8088 and my trident svga a work out trying to display
all those neat graphics.

,^MrSpock^ (also Spock on AOL)
From: pechter@ocpt.ccur.com (Bill Pechter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Geoworks and SSTOR
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:48:11 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.,Information Services

In article <9301051402.AA03687@hpwarga.wal.hp.com> <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us> writes:
>
>I use DR-DOS 6 with 10Net.  (I no longer use SSTOR.)  PC/GEOS refuses to
>run when I share my C:  drive, where PC/GEOS is installed.  It halts
>during the boot sequence (I forget exactly where.)  If I unshare my C:
>drive, PC/GEOS runs fine.  Are you able to run PC/GEOS (not just the
>setup program) from a shared drive?

Absolutely - er I think.  I'll test it again tonight.  I'm going to make sure
that the disk is cross mounted.   It ran the last time I tried it.

I've been unable to get 10Net to coexist with a DOS session under
Windows 3.1 however.  I just get a blank screen the second time I try
the MSDOS command icon.  Sitka has been little help and I've tried 
every memory hack that MicroSoft has documented to get the WD8003 happy.

Bill
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From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: DOS AREA icons have been uploaded
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:58:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.232216.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
> 
>PS. I was once told that I'm supposed to E-mail someone when uploading 
>to MIR.  Could someone tell me who that is so I can write him?

Excerpted from the FAQ:

    ... If you want to upload [to MIR], PKZIP your file and put it in 
    the /inbasket directory.  Then send a note to Tony Yen 
    (tyen@mundo.eco.utexas.edu).  Use the filename as the subject of 
    the message, and leave a single-line description in the body of 
    the message.

BTW, I'm going to try to update the FAQ using all the new info that's
recently come out.  It may be a bit late this time.

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   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: GEOS company song? (Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?)
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:41:15 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>Yup. As some of you may recall, our official Company Motto is
>"GeoWorks: If we told you, we'd have to kill you."

>(It's also a line in the company song.)

Which, of course, Andrew's going to post, so we can all learn it and sing
along, right? :)  

... or is that protected under the non-disclosure agreement? ;)

-Shag

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Geoworks Quickstart - what is it?
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:22:02 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>I haven't seen it myself (they keep me locked up (hmm... probably smart of
>them :-)) but I believe that it's GeoWorks Pro without Quattro Pro SE.

When I got the offer to upgrade to Pro, I keep thinking there was an option
to upgrade but NOT get Quattro Pro (I shouldda taken it, I shouldda taken it!)
... perhaps the people who took that option received what is now known as
Geoworks Quickstart.

-Shag

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Look and feel (Re: GEOS Press Release)
Date: 9 Jan 93 18:01:30 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>In article <1993Jan9.091727.13156@ornl.gov> fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU
>(Fred A Dickey) writes:
>>I'm still wondering if this allows a compiled GEOS app to be executed on
>>any hardware platform that has a version of GEOS designed for it?  After
>>all, the app would be using the same system objects no matter what system
>>it would be running on wouldn't it?  

>That's the basic idea.  It' truly astounding if you think about it a bit.
>:-)  I'm still awed and I work with it everyday.

So basically, if you find someone who's got enough capability to port
Object Assembly to platform X (a 386, perhaps, using RAM protection, or a
NeXT, or a Sun, or a Mac, or an Amiga, or a television, whatever), you can
make a GEOS kernel for it, with the appropriate system-specific libraries,
and wham-o, play some tetris.

Has anyone considered the potential the new palmtops have to completely
kill the Gameboy? ;)

-Shag

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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GEOS Press Release
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:13:24 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>In article <Jan.7.22.38.36.1993.20129@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>>solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>>
>>>	GEOS is a realtime, multithreaded, multitasking graphical
>>>operating environment based on object-oriented programming technology
>>>that allows for scalability and ease of use. More important for
>>>developers, GEOS offers a flexible user interface that adopts the
>>>appropriate "look and feel" of different devices.
>>
>>Buzzword central.

>Hey, we only used the word "technology" once in the entire
>paragraph... 

My grandfather got an engineering degree before engineering degrees were
cool.  He associated with mathematicians, and wrote letters to Albert
Einstein regarding nuclear ethics.  However, faced with terms such as
"realtime," "multithreaded," "multitasking," "graphical operating 
environment," "object-oriented programming technology," "scalability,"
and "flexible user interface," he'd keel over and die of confusion. :)

I hope the computer press appreciates the fact that GEOS is the only
product to which _all_ those words apply.  Big-techie-buzzwords are to
OS's what features are to programs.  Whoever has the best buzzwords has
the best OS. ;)

-Shag

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:51:00 GMT

In article <1igu6hINN811@golem.wcc.govt.nz> harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.065339.28169@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
>>Hmm... Aren't you violating the non-disclosure contract?  Whether or not
>>the policies of GeoWorks with respect to information disclosure are
>>"right", "moral", "good", etc. if you have agreed to its terms then you
>>should abide by them.
>>
>>John D. Mitchell
>>johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU
>>
>>P.S.	I am probably biased since I'm an employee of GeoWorks.
>>	I speak for myself.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.
>
>Out of interest, is the non-disclosure agreement covered by It's self?  If it's
>not then perhaps a copy of it could be posted here, so that we can see what we
>*are* allowed to be told, and perhaps help in getting answers.

actually, yes, the non-disclosure agreement is covered by itself, and I therefore
cannot legally divulge its contents, but I do not think that this covers its
existance, which is all I mentioned.

>
>I presume the reason that john did not enter into the release date debate is
>that he is not allowed to [john, the man who knew too much :-). ].
>
>Adrian
>[Never beleive anything until it's been ofically denied.]
>
>PS: I agree with john, If you've signed a contract that syay you aren't allowed
>to tell us somthing, then don't.  Much as I would like to know however.
>

I can't, and even if I could, it would do you any good, because I know very little.

>| Adrian Harvey       (Harvey_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz)|
>|             Windows?  Just say NO!               |

Mike
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From: jeff@eng.umd.edu (Jeffrey Frey)
Subject: GeoWonks
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 17:31:48 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

Is this what we have all become, then?
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