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From: masroor@human.ai.kyushu-u.ac.jp (Muhammad Masroor Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: umrikan uni in dhaka
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:35:57 GMT
    <NAEEM.92Oct7215456@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci. and Comm. Eng., Kyushu Univ., Fukuoka, Japan
X-Bytes: 1046

In article <NAEEM.92Oct7215456@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:

:%	  Bangladesh e manush e thake
:%	  Etho dhula bali
:%	  Etho traffic jam
:%	  Amar full potential realized hobe na
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:%	  I can make more valuable contribution from here
:%	  ..etc
:%
:%[ami o bad nai eyshob theke]   :-)
:%
:%
:%Naeem Mo


Ha, full potetial realize hawner chahara dekhchi. VLSI loiya 
gobeshana koira sashe jai motor banaite, onek poisa dai je. 
Bhabkhana amon, poisa paonoi hoilo asol realization of full 
potential, halai jharu dite koileo....
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    Who says `Nothing' is impossible? I am doing nothing throughout years. 
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    masroor@human.ai.kyushu-u.ac.jp (Muhammad Masroor Ali)
    Department of Computer Science and Communication Engineering
    Faculty of Engineering, Kyushu University
    Fukuoka, 812 JAPAN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: re:umrikan uni in dhaka
From: shanto@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:52:59 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

about whether johurul islam is a competitor, the answer is "NO"

he was never interested in establishing a university. he wanted a medical
college, and that's already operational. 
it'd
oops, sorry about that!

jai hok, ja bolchilam, themedical college is in Kishoreganj, this year was the
first year and it took in 60 students. Admission fees were 25,000 tks.

about " ai deshe manoosh thake" i still say i agree with that!

you're probably right about outlooks changing after four years, but believe
me when you're in an all male, all black college, things are not that "bright"
(literally!)
From: haque@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Anisul Haque,,,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Our leaders
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:09:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct14.190908.13515
Reply-To: haque@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article 21513@udel.edu, kazi@dobie.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:
> Why is it that we Bangladeshis  are  so  inclined   to  view  our
> leaders  with  blinkers on? We either elevate them to a status of
> godhood, or we view them as a reincarnation of Machiavelli.  Very
> few  take  the  middle  ground  and concede that a leader is just
> another another fallible human being with  flaws  just  like  the
> rest  of  us.  Or if he is viewed as evil, he is incapable of any
> good.

I wouldn't say it's the charateristics of the Bangladeshis alone. After 
following the campaign '92 in this country, I fin the Americans no different 
from us. Haven't you heard all the bullshits about character and integraties?

In a country where more than half the marriages end in a divorce, where 
majority of the people have slept outside their marriages, these acts are 
viewed as dire sins when public servants are concerned. This attitude isn't 
realistic either.

I think most of the world view their leaders as someone outside this world.
Maybe Italy is an exception where a porn star is elected to the parliament. 

> - Zunaid Kazi
>   kazi@cis.udel.edu
> 
> "The evil that men do lives after them, and the good is  oft  in-
> terred with their bones."

Really unfortunate!!

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University
From: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM (Ihtisham Kabir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Agartala Mamla
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:36:19 GMT
Reply-To: kabir@kabir.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: kabir

I have always been intruged by this question: was there any truth
to the Agartala Mamla allegations?

Does anyone know? Hearsay is ok...

- Ihtisham Kabir

PS, To refresh your memory, the Pakistan govt prosecuted Sheikh Mujib
and some others on treason charges during the 1960s, claiming that
they had met secretly with Indians at Agartala and conspired to break
up Pakistan. The case was eventually dropped, but it catapulted Mujib
into his leadership role.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: (news) re to Randy Fisher's question
From: shanto@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:38:26 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

in answer to Randy's question as to whether anyone is posting from Bangladesh
itself, all we can do is sigh and say "we wish"!!!

if we could get mail directly from Dhaka, we would have no need of s.c.b

if we could get mail directly from Dhaka, i would write home and get responses
every day --- there'd be no reason for me to be homesick!!

if we could get mail directly from Dhaka, the Bangladesh Postal Authority
would be out of business!

if we could get mail directly from Dhaka, i wouldn't have to struggle with
my Pascal assignments -- i'd simply post them home,and my brother would mail
me the answers!

if we could get mail directly from Dhaka, i wouldn't get a $200 phone bill
per month!!

if we could get mail directly from Dhaka, i'd be the happpiest person on earth!

but we don't.....and i'm not !  :(


saeed!
From: samaddar@siemens.com (Sumitro Samaddar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: How about an EEC type arrangement in our subcontinent? (wasRe: News)
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:07:20 GMT
Reply-To: samaddar@siemens.com

zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan) writes:

>India, even though the actual cost is higher.  This would amount to
>indirect exploitation of the Bangladeshi garments industry for the
>developement of the Indian machinery industry.
>	And I'm positive that this sort of thing has happened in
>India, given it's history of import barriers.

You have a point here. In fact, that is a point against all kind of
special groupings like EEC, North American Free Trade Zone, etc. Giving
preference to trading partners within the block implies discriminating
against some more efficient, outside country. In fact, your point is
against having any kind of trade barriers. I kinda agree.

Sumitro

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Same old Stuffs !
From: debug@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:01:52 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Why can't SCB discuss something more interesting other than
the same old stuffs.......................................

Lets discuss about the planets thats around us !

Bangladesh Zinda-Bahd
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                If you don't see the sun rising tomorrow,
                         just take a nap !

-Faisal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: anwar@bnr.ca (Shams Anwar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Please Ignore if not Farhad Ahmed.
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:16:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: BNR

// ******** Please Ignore if not Farhad Ahmed ****************************
// -----------------------------------------------------------------------

 
In article <ld0pq0INNnbn@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, fahmed@dhaka.Eng.Sun.COM (Farhad Ahmed) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep23.170815.16303@bnr.ca>, anwar@bnr.ca (Shams Anwar) writes:
|> > 
|> >   What is it Now?
|> 
|> Hello Mr. Anwar:
|> 
|> 'R u from BUET, class of '85(EE); went to NJIT for MS in CS ?
|> If u 'r, please reply back to me to the followin' email address.
|> Hope u still remember me.
|> 
|> I tried to send u email to the above address but it bounced back to me.
|> So usin' SCB to communicate to u.
|> 
|> Hope to hear from u soon.
|> 
|> Farhad Ahmed.
|> fahmed@dhaka.eng.sun.com
|> 

'u 'r absl'tly r't. I read your writings couple of times and thought the
same about you. But you know you can never be certain -- there must be at 
least one Farhad Ahmed among every 500 Bangladeshi men and our population 
figure stands at more than 120 million.

Hey Farhad it is nice to get in touch with you after a long time. I have 
no E-mail access to outside world. From my workstation I can only run News.
Hey can you possibly give me a call (you can get my tel # from Mahbub
Shariff of San Jose -- from BUET remember) or post your phone #? 

Thanx.

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Shams.

EMAIL: Not accessible.

Bisso kobir Sonar Bangla, Nazrul-ar Bangladesh. Jibonananda-r ruposi bangla,
ruper je tar naiko sas -----   BANGLADESH.

Disclaimer: Views expressed here is none of my employer's or of anybody else's 
but mine. Views and facts presented in this article have no relationship with 
reality or anybody.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: any maple leafers or siddiquis out there
From: shanto@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:34:04 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

are there any maple leafers out there?

if so,i'd like to get in touch with you all

especially looking for classes '90, '91 and '92

of course, would love to correspond with students from other batches as well
( provided you have nothing nice to say about Mrs. Ali!!!!)


while i'm at it, might as well throw in an invitation to SIDDIQUI guys as
well.

any ex-SIDDIQUE guy  please leave message!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: testing
From: maradona@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:10:29 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

This is test....
From: rafatm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Inquiry
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:40:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

Greetings,

I was wondering if anyone could answer two of my question: 1. I heard that BUET now has a new VC. Does anybody know who it is? 2. What happened to the "plan"
to introduce an American University in Dhaka?
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:11:38 EDT
From: Famin Ahmed <FA8509A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Dead Beat Callers

way to go adnan! i've had the same problems, using phonecards to call abroad...
of course, my parents don't trust me, so they disabled ANY  and all internation
al calling on my sprint foncard.... but, i was just wondering, does it cost any
more to call with your calling card, then directly? another thing that really
bothers me is that living on a college campus, you can never take advantage of
all these wonderful money-saving plans (friends and family, the most, and any o
f the international dialling plans). i mean, correct me if i'm wrong, but aren'
t college students the ones who need to save money the most? thanks for giving
the mci people a piece of your mind....now if only we could do the same for AT&
T....
hasta,
Famin.
sad that i seemed to have become a lurker, as opposed to a poster...blame it on
the work....
From: haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Anisul Haque,,,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Nazrulgeeti (was Re: Rabindra Sangeet)
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:12:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct9.211219.29022
Reply-To: haque@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

In article 1@engvms.unl.edu, mermmzh@engvms.unl.edu () writes:

> In the 30's Bengali Muslims were laging behind in almost
> every sphere of life. Specially the condition of the Bengali Muslim
> women were really bad. they were not allowed to come out of their
> home, they were not allowed to go to school. The leadership of
> the society were in the hands of the conservatives ( like the Nawabs
> of Dhaka ). During that time few persons like Begum Rokeya, Nazrul
> and Nasiruddin showed their courage to bring the light of 
> progressiveness in the Muslim society. Nazrul's writings ( I am not
> talking about the quality ) were most effective in propagating the
> progessive ideas to stir the Muslim youths of Bengal. Actually
> Nazrul through Shawgat ( a magazine used to be published from Calcutta)
> created a nucleas of a noncommunal progressive force in the society
> of Bengali Muslims. This force provided the leadership in the Language
> and other progressive movements in the East Bengal during 50's.

You are very correct in describing the role of Nazrul and Shawgat in the 
progress of Bangalee muslims in the 20's and 30's. The two other most 
important contributors in this aspect were Abbasuddin and The Mohammedan 
Sporting club.
 
> ---Zakir

Regards,

Anisul Haque
Clarkson University
From: fahmed@dhaka.Eng.Sun.COM (Farhad Ahmed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Ignore
Date: 14 Oct 1992 00:40:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dhaka

In article <1992Oct13.191457.15999@ugle.unit.no>, billah@idt.unit.no (Abdur Rahman Baqui Billah) writes:
> Keywords: 
> 
> 
> This is a test.
> 
> Please, ignore.

Assaalaamm.

Hello Billah:

How 'r u ? Last time I saw u in '84- our graduation yr. from BUET. Please send me a mail to the 
followin' address. Manta is also in Norway too. 

Allah Hafez.

Farhad Ahmed

+--------------------------------------------|------------------------------+
	Internet: fahmed@dhaka.eng.sun.com   | Farhad Ahmed
	Phone   : (415)-336-3265 (work)      | Sun Microsystems, Inc.
	          (408)-923-9192 (home)      | Mail St # MTV19-04
	                                     | 2550 Garcia Avenue
	                                     | Mountain View, CA 94043-1100
	  " SYSTEMS FOR OPEN COMPUTING "     | USA
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: still testing
From: maradona@vax1.mankato.msus.edu (Ahsan Habib Khan)
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:18:41 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

this is test2....

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: mkaziz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (KHALED AZIZ)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:57:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.163316.3524@bnr.ca> anwar@bnr.ca (Shams Anwar) writes:

>I believe you are are looking for News covering Bangladesh and Bangladeshi 
>community ( otherwise CNN, local newspaper etc. will serve pretty well). If 
>so, I suggest that you may consider subscribing to more than SCB. There are
>two weeklies being published from NYC (PROBASHI and THIKANA) and one being  
>published from CANADA (forgot the name, but read a post sometime back). 

Infact there are four bengali weeklies currently being published from NY:
PROBASHI,  THIKANA  BANGALI (bang-ali) and I cant remember the name of the
fourth one (it started 2/3 months ago). The fact that there are four weeklies
being published in Bengali is  remarakable.  The Indian community
which is much much bigger than the Bangaladeshi community  has just 2 weeklies.
BNP  is trying to start another weekly from NY.  Initially it was trying to
take control over one of the existing weeklies.  It seems like this attempt
was not successful.  So we can expect at least one more bengali weekly in
near future.  Mr.  Minar Mahmud (ex-editor of weekly Bichinata) was also
trying to start a weekly from NY, I don't know what happened to his venture.

Surprisingly the circulation of all these weeklies are pretty high.  Their
attitude is also quite professional.

I agree with your suggestion.  As a source of news from home, SCB's performance
has been extremely poor. However it serves as a platform for the deshi student 
community (mainly) to communicate and exchange ideas with each other.  I never
depend on SCB for news.  For this purpose I subscribe to Thikana.  I also
receive copies of Jai Jai Din everyweek from home.

One interesting thing about SCB is that it has very little connection with
New York and LA.  These two cities host  most of the polictcal and
cultural activities that takes place within the Bangaldeshi community in USA.
For some strange reason I've never seen any article in SCB posted from these 
two cities.  In a way SCB has very little connection with the greater 
Bangladeshi community in North America.  I feel the difference when when I 
compare reading THIKANA with reading SCB.  It feels like these two media 
represents two disticnt and unrelated nations of the world.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: News
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:15:15 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


sep 27

paramilitary troops join police to boost security at burmese refugee camps
after riots which claimed 6 lives [afp]

84.18% of children admitted to school in 68 upazilas under compulsory primary
edu prgm launched in january [xinhua]

sep 26

India security forces' attempt to push more than 100 Indian nationals into
Bangladesh foiled by bdr [x]

Singapore will employ more b'deshis in booming construction and shipbuilding
industry [x]

seo 24

B'deshis face uncertainty in India due to Indian 'pushback efforts'. In Indian
capital police siezed and repatriated 132 of the B'deshis. [afp]

Bangladesh will set up 10 textle estates to meet demand. [x]

Bangladesh will consider credit line for commonwealth of Independent states
to facilitate exports.

sep 23

65% of houses in dhaka have no access to sewerage lines.


oct 1

nurses to begin indefinite strike [x]

Bangladesh to join Org of Asia pacific News Agencies [tass]

oct 2

border guards foil indian attempt to herd more than 200 Bengalis speakers
into the ctry. the latest since 'begin of "Operation Pushback" [r]


Naeem


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From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Looking for place to stay in DC [3-5 days]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 23:47:05 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Naeem,

I'll be in DC from the 27-29 of October. You are welcome to crash
in my room.

Hassan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: haque@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Anisul Haque,,,)
Subject: Illegal Bangladeshis in India
Reply-To: haque@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:42:51 GMT

In article 20771@cbis.ece.drexel.edu, raquib_hassan@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Raquib Hassan) writes:
> 
>       Source : The News India Network
> 	  
> 	    DHAKA, Bangladesh -- News reports Saturday said Indian forces
> are continuing to build up along Bangladesh's southwestern border with
> India, as tension mounts between the two countries over alleged illegal
> immigrants.
>        Bangladesh border authorities have warned that they may take
> military
> action if the Indian build-up continues, officials said.
>        According to the Bengali daily Inquilab, the Indian Border Security
> Force is building two lines of bunkers 50 yards away from the border,
> near the Benapole crossing point in the district of Jessore.
>         The paper said the bunkers are manned by teams of up to seven BSF
> troops, and that weapons inside the bunkers include three-inch mortars
> and heavy machine guns.
>         The build-up came after the Bangladesh Rifles, Dhaka's only border
> security unit, drove back nearly 400 Bengali-speaking people across the
> border Friday night.
>         India claims they are illegal immigrants. Bangladesh denies the
> claim, saying they are Indian citizens.

How does India and/or Bangladesh decide who are Bangladeshi citizens in India? 
As far as I a know, an average person in an Indian village don't have any 
identification papers. Also Misra(boo!) has once mentioned that people who 
have migrated to India are still Bangladeshis even though they have voted in 
India and it's been 20-30 years since thier migration.So how does the GOI 
actually identifies these illegal aliens? They speak the same language as their 
Indian counterparts, they look the same and moreover no one have any papers.

Any comments, Misra?

Regards,

Anisul Haque 
Clarkson University
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Looking for host-name
From: debug@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:38:42 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Request for host-name.
If anybody knows the host-name of Central CT State University, CT
please let me know. Or if anyone is going to CCST please send
me a e-mail.

Thanks.


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From: kundu@watson.ibm.com (Sandip Kundu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Illegal Bangladeshis in India
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:54:36 GMT
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

>How does India and/or Bangladesh decide who are Bangladeshi citizens in India? 
>As far as I a know, an average person in an Indian village don't have any 
>identification papers. Also Misra(boo!) has once mentioned that people who 
>have migrated to India are still Bangladeshis even though they have voted in 
>India and it's been 20-30 years since thier migration.So how does the GOI 
>actually identifies these illegal aliens? They speak the same language as their 
>Indian counterparts, they look the same and moreover no one have any papers.

Needless to say this is a complex issue. There are many who
come from Bangladesh and begin to stay with their relatives/
friends in India (both Hindus and Muslims). Within a short
time they can obtain Indian passports and documents that
prove that they were born in India. Only those who want to
make use of their school/college certificates from Bangladesh
can not avail this path.  I have relatives who have imported
brides from Bangladesh and later obtained "proof" of birth in
India.

India has an obligation towards Hindus in Bangladesh
because during partition in 1947, she promised to allow
entry to any Hindu who wished to leave pakistan. Opeartion
push-back is a result of growing fear that Hindus in the east
(Assam, Bengal, Tripura) are being overrun by Muslims coming
from Bangladesh. The primary targets of this operation are 
Muslims. 

Muslim infiltration from Bangladesh is a recent phenomenon 
and I find it hard to believe that these entrants have lived in 
India for 30 years. It started mostly in 1971 and GOI adopted
a policy in 1979 (after Assam agitation) to repatriate those who
came after 1971. Ofcourse resolution is one thing, logistics
is another. It is quite possible that security forces attempted
to repatriate someone who actually came before 1971, or someone
who came after 1971 but has "document" to prove that he/she
came earlier. 

In any case the whole situation is a mess and
there is no easy solution other than to let these people stay.
I think GOI should focus more on preventing further
infiltration than repatriating those who are already here.
The border between Bangladesh and India is absurdly unnatural
and infiltrations can not be avoided. There may be further
complications in future if new immigrants demand special rights 
as has happened in Darjeeling district where the Nepalese immigrants
have beome majority within 40 years of immigration and
demanding a separate state. Darjeeling is now an autonomous 
region within West Bengal.

Let us simply hope that the new entrants would be more
Bengali than Muslims.  That can not save a lot of grief for
everyone.

Sandip
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh