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From: tnishi@lsa.ncl.omron.co.jp (NISHIYAMA Tetsuto)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Is this offensive?
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:02:10 GMT
Reply-To: tnishi@lsa.ncl.omron.co.jp
Organization: Omron Corporate R&D H.Q.- R&D Support Dept.


In article <RHB.93Jan21104645@world.std.com>, rhb@world.std.com (Robert
H Brueckner) writes:
|> Believe it or not, I have heard the words "Jap" and "Japs" used
|> respectfully, as in "It looks like the Japs have another dynamite new
|> entry in the luxury car field." I think it's all a matter of

	Rob, believe it or not, no matter how I look at this example,
it sounds offensive to me.  Why?  The statement sounds sarcastic.  Like,
"Hey, look what the Japs are doing!  The Japs are taking over the luxury
car field too!" (just my opinion)

|> perspective and tone. Certainly people will always seek to shorten
|> names of all kinds, not just nationalities. It is human nature. And
|> since "Jap" is a contraction for "Japan" or "Japanese," I personally
|> don't see that there is any stigma in it, except in hangovers from

	Sure, I guess it depends on what dictionary you look the word up
in also.  I think I remember seeing both "Contraction for Japan" as well
as "derogatory term for Japanese" in my American Heritage Dictionary, but
I'm not sure. (Correct me if I'm wrong)  However, if you look at the
Websters Collegiate Dictionary, it says "Japanese - used disparigingly"

|> familiar gesture. Think about it. You can, in a friendly way, call
|> someone a son of a bitch and get nothing but a grin. But try the same

	Try saying that to your neighborhood minister.  I'd like to see 
	the look on his face.  :)

|> it. If people are, or are perceived to be, excessively persecuted,
|> that is another matter. But I don't think the Japanese are, in spite

	No, I don't think the Japanese are excessively persecuted either.
In some cases, I think the Japanese deserve it, but you should try being
Japanese-American growing up in a conservative city in the U.S., getting
thrown against a locker at school with some high school football jock
about a foot taller than you growling "Remember Perl Harbor, JAP!" and
then get thrown in a trash can...
<sarcasm on>
	Who me? NAW, THAT'S not offensive!
<sarcasm off>
	Anyway, I prefer that the term "Jap" NOT be used, whether it was
meant to be respectful or not.

	It's the same as any other term, "Chink", "Nigger", "Yank", etc.  
Alot of people would just prefer that the terms not be used.

|> | Opinions expressed here, when |
|> | clear and persuasive, are my own. --Rob Brueckner (rhb@world.std.com) |

	Since your opinions weren't quite so persuasive, whose opinions
were they?  :)  

=========================================================================
Teddy Nishiyama  (tnishi@lsa.ncl.omron.co.jp)  OMRON Corporation  (^_^;
R&D Support Dept(LSA), Shimokaiinji, Nagaokakyo-shi, Kyoto-fu 617  JAPAN
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:49:06 -0500 
From: "Prakash S. Gulrajani" <pg27+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Help

Can anyone help me get contact with someone in Keio University?

Thanks.

Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:33:49 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Chu'kakuha
	<3489@nlsun1.oracle.nl>

Freinds,

.

    Depending on your lifes experiences you may have think that I am
"some spoiled Japanese rich kid" as a netter wrote in the past!  This is
not true! But, I want to leave this useless and unproductive ideas and
go to a more important subject. The Chu'kakuha! Now this will probably
turn a lot of Japanese off but I like the Chu'kakuha. I think that
something can be done with this group if it's organization was well
structured and more mature. I definately love the idea and purposes of
this group. But these ideas are going to have to maintain a certain
reponsibility to humanity and the environment. I believe academically
that nothing positive can be done(with all in mind) without the
strictest of "ultra"-radicalism in liberalism and far-right(if you
will)actions. But, I object to destructive actions that are unplan and
do warm(potential)  harm to The People it is trying to serve. Trying to
blow-up the dead body of a dead Emperor is petty. And, not accomplishing
this goal was embarassing. You looked like a bunch of "kids"! As I said
before I 'am attracted to this group but the senseless unmethodlodgical
radicalism has standards also. Think about while I go to din-din!
From: jice@echo.asd.sgi.com (John Eisenman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Youth hostels
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:31:50 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: echo.asd.sgi.com

In article <HARKCOM.93Jan26182543@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp>,
harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom) writes:
|> In article <w0wsXB8w165w@batpad.lgb.ca.us> larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us
|>    (Larry Greenfield) writes:
|> 
|>  =}   Youth Hosteling in Japan is cheap(est), and best of all, a
|> LOT of 
|>  =}fun!
|> 
|>    Youth Hosteling is one of the cheapest forms of sacking out in
|> Japan.
|> But make sure you get a Japanese Youth Hostel card.  Many (all?)
|> Youth
|> Hostels don't accept other Youth Hostel cards... (or perhaps this
|> has
|> changed now...)

I think that it has.  I visited 4 in '91 with a card purchased in the U.S.

--
John Eisenman (jice@sgi.com)
From: aijuin@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Akira Ijuin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Akutagawa Ryuunosuke
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:57:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.C1HH3x.M6z
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Mr. Turkey writes:

>.

>>Get your facts straight Rikya-san, Akutagawa did not win the nobel
>>prize. The *only* Japanese author to win that prize was Kawabata Y.

>Believe it or not I was very afraid for a moment! Reading this from Jim Turkey!
>This is borderline insulting to me. But, I am really fond of your name.
>I can only imagine what a kind of person you are. Did you know that
>there is a Turkey
>North Carolina? Anyway, Mr. Li got the facts straight! Sorry.

Somebody wanna translate this for me?  I cannot for the hell in me figure
out what the hell he is trying to say.  Or should I interpret what I see
on the surface?

Akira Ijuin
From: bobbyr@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Bobby Richardson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: JWP for mac
Date: 20 Jan 93 22:45:32 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

Isn't there any Japanese word processor for mac?
I don't really care whether it is freeware or commercial ware.
Your reponse is very appreciative.
Do umo ari gato gozaimasu.

Watashi wa Nihon no mangato animeo ski desu.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ksbeh@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Tere K.S. BEH)
Subject:  Happy New Year !! 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:58:45 GMT

Hi there !! It is me again.

Just like to wish you all :-


	Shiawa-seh na Shin'nen 


I hope this mean Happy New Year.


By the way , how Japanese celebrate the Chinese New Year ?

Or , do they celebrate at all ?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Sumo in America
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:19:33 GMT

Talking about what I posted weeks ago...

OK, this is what I found out on the Wrestling Observer Newsletter.
Crazy Verne Gagne is gonna put 16 house shows starting on 1/29
in Los Angeles going through April with the finals on PPV. They
are billing a $1 millon total purse. The promotion(?) will be
billed as "AWA American Sumo."

Let's see how it works...


-- 
Hisaharu Tanabe                 E-Mail : hit@sol.acs.unt.edu
University of North Texas                htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
$@EDJU>08<!wKL%F%-%5%9=#N)Bg(J
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Subject: Re: Is this offensive?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<RHB.93Jan23140321@world.std.com>
	<1993Jan24.192101.20641@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:32:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.192101.20641@en.ecn.purdue.edu> oshiro@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Woodrow S Oshiro) writes:

   In article <RHB.93Jan23140321@world.std.com> rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:
   [stuff deleted]
   > Perhaps I did not make that clear enough, in
   >which case I apologize, but the persecution does exist and for the
   >reasons we have all become too familiar: Japan is racist and
   >xenophobic to a large degree, and fearful of outsiders even if they be
   >racially and politically identical with themselves.

   No kidding?!!!   But Robert, that was not all there was to your original
   claim.  Let's take a look at it again.

   >   >But let's compare
		  ^^^^^^^
   >   >treatment here, just for the hell of it, with that of anomalous people
   >   >in Japan. Owada-san, the future empress, herself was victimized in
   >   >this way, probably much more cruelly and relentlessly than any
			   ^^^^^^^^^
   >   >football player ever would have done it, merely because she had been
   >   >abroad.

   So, my question is:  How do you know that Japanese "Neanderthals" are worse
   than American "Neanderthals"?

Read my post on "ijime" and then ask me that question again. But for
the record, I think Neanderthals are Neanderthals, no matter what the
color of their skin of sound of their language. If you examine my post
which you excerpted you'll see that it's main flavor was that there
*isn't* much difference, even if the portion you quoted may have
seemed to be an apology for American dumbshit bellicose jocks who like
to bully people (which was not the point I was trying to make). Next
time you say "That was not all there was to your original claim," make
sure you refer to *all* of it. It wasn't that long.

RB

-- 
|"The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who  |
| have loved it." -- George Santayana  // Opinions expressed here, when |
| clear and persuasive, are my own. --Rob Brueckner (rhb@world.std.com) |
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: INTERNET Public Access from JAPAN Help?
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:28:25 GMT

jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley) writes:

>I need to get info on Public Dial access to INTERNET in Japan.  Can anyone
>out there help me.  Thanks.  

If you mean you want to public dial into some place in Japan from
which you ftp/telnet, I'm afraid you're out of luck. But if you only
want to send/receive mail, then it's possible.  See attached.

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087

---- Internet Mail in Japan 93/01/19 -------------------------------

1) Join NiftyServe and link to CompuServe. Or join PC-VAN and link
to Genie. Sorry, not details on how to do this (if somebody has them,
please post).

2) Join CompuServe in the U.S. and access it via TYMPAS (TYMNET) for
~ 70 yen/minute. Some people also call direct at 110+ yen/minute
(depending on time of day) with high speed modems and claim they
it's better for large file transfers than TYMPAS which is only 2400
BPS. CompuServe can also be accessed via FENICS and instead of
CompuServe you might consider any host outside Japan you can get to
via X.25 Public Data Network. 

3) Join Aegis in Kyoto for a UNIX host + BBS-like front end. 5,000
yen signup, 2,000 yen/month, no charge for network mail within
Japan, 20 yen/K to other addresses. Access via direct dial-up or
TYMPAS (TYMNET Personal Account System). Send me mail, I'm sysadmin. 

4) Join TWICS in Tokyo for a VAX/VMS-host with PARTI/CAUCUS and an
AUS USENET newsreader. 15,000 yen deposit/signup + 3,000 yen/month,
mail inside Japan at no extra charge, charges for mail outside of
Japan free for the first 24K/month and 45 yen/K afterwards. TWICS is
well connected to other systems via DASNET at varying additional
charges. Access via direct dial-up, TYMPAS, DDX. Send mail to
burress@twics.co.jp for details. 

5) Set up your own UUCP host and join Juice. 5,000 yen to join plus
1,000 yen/month, mail within Japan OK, not sure about international
but most probably via KDDlabs' Inet Club which is 30 yen/K. Access
via direct dial-up. Send mail to juice-admin@juice.co.jp for details. 

For international netmail, you will need to subscribe to KDD's
InetClub. Charges are ~2,000 yen/month and up according to how many
people are at your site, plus 30 yen/K. Also, you may need to call
their site in Saitama directly, unless you want to route through
somebody else, thereby making them subsidize your traffic. Contact
konish@kddlabs.co.jp for details. 
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From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese transliteration of the United States of America
Date: 28 Jan 1993 06:07:48 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: locusts.berkeley.edu

>Have you noticed that the Japanese transliteration of the United States of
>America is uncannily correct ("Amerika Gasshukoku" note "shu" is "people"
>not "state") and orthdox "Unionist" interpretation that the union is
>that of people not of the individual states. I am watching a re-run of
>Ken Burn's "The Civil War" on SBS (in Australia) and start wondering
>when Japanese settled on to the current transliteration: before or after
>the Civil War?  Does anybody know?  Whoever come up with it had a
>basic understanding of the US Constitution, I suppose.

Dude!  That was my point!  Commodore Perry set sail to Japan from the 
UNITED states of America, after the civil war!  Before that, Japanese had
hardly a clue that anything existed beyond the Great Pacific.  As far as they
were concerned, a few European traders came from the other edge of the world,
but that was it!  Thereafter, scholarly exchanges took a band of male &
female samurai to US, as a newly discovered pacifi-islander republic,
just as Hawaii had been discovered a few years before.  Superficial study
suggested Japan as an oligarchy situated inbetween Polynesian and Confucian
culture.  But, the Japanese sentiment that theyu are a unique people came
to be taken seriously, and this notion biases even Western study of Japan to
this day.  Since China & Korea had historically self-content economies
unlike Europe, Japan was in total isolation throughout much of its history,
like Ireland if Christianity & the Brits never went there, they'd be speaking
Gaelic quite apart from other European languages.  Well, Buddhism went to 
Japan from China, but China never conquered Japan.  Strategically pretty
worthless anyway, with so few resources to offer & communication
imcompatibilities.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: aijuin@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Akira Ijuin)
Subject: Re: Miyazawa Comment (was Re: Honda vs Ford (+ Chrysler now))
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:10:19 GMT

rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:

>OK, Akira, what is the deeper meaning behind Miyazawa's laughter when
>he said (quoted in The Economist) that American servicemen (who,
>incidentally, are protectiong *your* country at *our* expense) can't
>afford to take shore leave in Japan anymore so they'll have to stay
>aboard ship and give each other AIDS?

Hmm...I thought the quote on Prime Minister Miyazawa was about how he said
Americans were lazy.  To tell you the truth, I've never knew that Prime
Minister Miyazawa said anything about US servicemen in Japan.

One correction about the statement made by RB above.  Japanese government
is paying a lot of money to US service men (that is what I have heard.  If
you have proof that this statement is false, fine.  Don't kill me for it).
I heard that at one time (maybe more than once) the US government demanded
that the Japanese pay more for the cost of maintaining US forces in Japan,
and that if the Japanese didn't, the US would withdraw its forces.  The 
response from the Japanese government, if I remember correctly, was that if
the US wanted to withdraw its forces, go ahead and do it.  In fact, many
(and I say many because that's the impression I get.  No concrete stats to
back it up) Japanese want US forces out of Japan.  People living around
US bases (and this is true) are more or less fed up with the noise pollution
and other stuff that comes from the bases.  When the treaty between Japan
and the US reguarding US service men in Japan was first signed in the
60s (or was it the 50s), many (yes. many) Japanese were utterly pissed and 
protested like crazy.

BTW, some Japanese aren't impressed with US forces because of nukes.
If I remember correctly, I think a US air craft carrier accidentally dropped
a hyrogen bomb off the coast of Japan during Vietnam War.  Hmm....

With all this from Japan, I wonder why the US is maintaining its forces in
Japan. (hmm.....)

Akira Ijuin

D
If I remember correctly, the resp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
Subject: Re: Loong list of Japanese BBSs
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:58:11 GMT

Thanks for the list, but is this current? I ask because of all the
300bps modem speeds listed. The "fast" modems are 1200 and only an
occasional 2400 or 4800. I would have thought Japan would be current
with v.32bis technology everywhere.

RB
-- 
|"The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who  |
| have loved it." -- George Santayana  // Opinions expressed here, when |
| clear and persuasive, are my own. --Rob Brueckner (rhb@world.std.com) |
From: maul@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Youth hostels
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:29:39 +1000
Organization: Vassar College

Could anyone recommend good, even adequate, Japanese youth hostels?  Any info
will be appreciated.  Please reply privately unless you think many persons on
the list will welcome the information.  Thank you.  S. Maul.   maul@vassar.edu 

snesill ciatewill be appred
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From: jpark@rwja.umdnj.edu (John Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Is this offensive?
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:34:23 GMT
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:

>Believe it or not, I have heard the words "Jap" and "Japs" used
>respectfully, as in "It looks like the Japs have another dynamite new
>entry in the luxury car field." I think it's all a matter of
>perspective and tone. Certainly people will always seek to shorten
>names of all kinds, not just nationalities. It is human nature. And
>since "Jap" is a contraction for "Japan" or "Japanese," I personally
>don't see that there is any stigma in it, except in hangovers from
>WWII where songs like "Slap the Jap" played over the radio. It's all
>in tone. "Yank" or "Yankee" can be a vile epithet or a friendly,
>familiar gesture. Think about it. You can, in a friendly way, call
>someone a son of a bitch and get nothing but a grin. But try the same
>thing on someone who is hostile to you and you are likely to regret
>it. If people are, or are perceived to be, excessively persecuted,
>that is another matter. But I don't think the Japanese are, in spite
>of the rampant paranoia that you see in Japanese newspapers. And
>please, no flames about Japan not being paranoid. I've read articles
>in Japanese newspapers that "prove" the state of Missouri is out to
>"get" Japan (this was quite a topic of discussion when I was a member
>of the Japan-America Society in St. Louis).\

If you were an American businessman, or tourist travelling to a foreign
country X, and were often harassed, and given hostile looks, and that you
heard of and saw this happening to other American businessmen & tourists, 
wouldn't you feel paranoid about travelling in that country again?.

Or what if you sent an exchange student, in a spirit of goodwill, to that
country, and he got shot to death because he knocked on the wrong door?
And all the sympathy went to the guy who shot the kid?  
Oh...and while in the same state, some neo-nazi whose initials are
David Duke, jumps on the blame-Japan bandwagon in order to get politically
popular.

A friend of mine from Texas told me of this incident:  He was sitting
in a restaurant in the U of T area.  There were some japanese businessmen
also eating in the restaurant (probably wanting to invest in the town).,
However, several college boys got up to their table and started shouting
at them, blaming them for everything.
My friend said that it got really awkward, and the businessmen seemed
very humiliated being shouted at by kids in the crowded restaurant.

you think that "jap" isn't offensive.  Well it's offensive to me, and
I'm not even japanese.  You may not be using "jap" in an insulting way,
but in my experience, many people have.

--JP, just my $0.02 worth.   

>RB

>-- 
>|"The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and it makes free those who  |
>| have loved it." -- George Santayana  // Opinions expressed here, when |
>| clear and persuasive, are my own. --Rob Brueckner (rhb@world.std.com) |
From: speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Honda: America's choice!
Date: 25 Jan 1993 11:02:49 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

Original Message From: rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner)
 
 
>In article <1jiqalINNfle@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
>writes:
>
>   I can't agree more about the benefit of free trade but I strongly
>   believe that GATT is the place to discuss trade issues in a global
>   context. It is hypocrytical of the USA to portray herself as a
>   "defender" of free trade while the government increases agricultural
>   subsidies.
>
>Sad but true. The U.S. is only hurting itself with these subsidies,
>and they hurt in three ways: 1. They set a bad example and open our
>"free-trade" stance to criticism; 2. They keep prices artificially
 
Now here is the real hypocrisy in "free-trade". If it is so good then
why not use "free-trade" to break the EC's trade barriers and
subsidies. Why don't they do this? Because as soon as some of the
countries participating in the "global free-trade system" opt out of
the "free-trade" arena, the whole system collapses as they get an
unfair advantage. Am I right?
 
 
>high; 3. They significantly contribute to our already staggering
>deficit. It is interesting to note that it is only the big, rich
>farmers that benefit from these subsidies. Why am I not surprised?
 
As the USA seems to be in the "economic war" with Europe for the long
haul, we can only expect your deficit to grow, as you slowly creep out
of recession. Japan must be looking on very nervously at the USA
(their biggest customer) hoping to see some increase in the economic
fortunes.
 
The USA does have a bargaining chip in Europe; its armed forces. Maybe
it should threaten to pull them out.