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From: jdinkins@spaquatic.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Dinkins)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Scanning (was Re: Nirvana)
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:46:00 GMT
Reply-To: jdinkins@spaquatic.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: 3-D House of Slave Chicks
NNTP-Posting-Host: spaquatic

(Jack Szwergold) writes:
>jdinkins@spaquatic.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Dinkins) writes:
>>(Jack Szwergold) writes:
>>  Hmmmm... so if I've got this right, you *don't* believe the following rush 
>>  lyrics "scan".... 
>
>[Annonying RUSH "prose" deleted for those who don't care...]

 Ya know, up until now I thought you were actually trying to discuss your
"scanning" topic. Now it appears to me that you simply want to look "cool" by
effectively bashing the person you are having a discussion with by appearing
superior through remarks like the ones above. Very annoying. 

Your above statement is simply rude. "For those who don't care". Give me a break.

Anyways...

>> Do you think these lyrics are "horrible", as you stated RUSH to be above? I'm
>> not flaming, just trying to figure out what you don't like about rush lyrics.
>
>I think the lyrics are horrible.  RUSH lyrics never express emotion.  

 I disagree with you. If you would like to know why, then I will explain
my position. My suspition is that you couldn't care less, however.

>They
>talk about emotion the way a journalist talks about emotion.  

 Again, I disagree.

> Nothing
>poetic about and of Neal Peart's "prose". 
 
 Interesting you feel that way..... I find them quite poetic. 

> And before you say "Well how do
>you know...."  I have all of RUSH's albums up to Power Windows now rotting
>away in my closet. 

 So do I. Does that make me an expert too?


>RUSH are a kids version of real musicians,

Sheesh. Why do you feel so intent on making Rush fans look like musical idiots?

 Again, you are being extremely condescending here.  Why didn't you keep
to the topic and explain what you meant by "scanning", a concept which I am 
*still* unable to grasp. I have (of course) heard the songs that you
used in your example (Red Hot Chili Pepper's "Give It Away", and Nirvana's 
NLTS) and do know exatly what you mean when you say "scan". I do not hear any
similiarity in their singing styles.... care to clue me in?

 Indeed - why else did you respond in the first place? Why did you feel
the need to flame and insult from what little I said in my post?

jeff
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: st1qb@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: jesus and mary chain tour?
Reply-To: st1qb@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:51:12 GMT

Jesus and Mary Chain / Curve Tour......
        
I know here in Houston, the JAMC and Curve are playing Nov. 13.  Yes!
I am there.  This is a excellent combination of two bands.  I been a
long time JAMC fan and have seen them play twice before.  Both excellent
shows...
    
Of course, Curve is new to the scene but I liked them the first time I heard
them.  Then again I also like Cocteau Twins, Sundays, Lush, etc.  Toni
Hallday puts on a very, very good show.  Just something about her! 
 
 
As for the 'Rollercoaster' tour, I know the JAMC did a tour in England 
called the 'Rollercoaster'.  Dont recall what bands were on the ticket but
I remeber it was at least 5 bands.
      

David
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mookie@hardy.u.washington.edu (C Mealy)
Subject: Re: Sidewinder Sleeps...
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:14:41 GMT

>>>based on the folk song Wimoweh (check your old Weavers or Pete Seeger records).
>>Lena, I hate to break this to you, but TMBG do have a cover (of sorts) of
>>The Lion Sleeps Tonight.  The song is called "The Guitar" off of _Apollo_18_
>>and uses the EXACT melody as TLST only with slightly "giantized" lyrics.


Uhh ... my memory doesn't serve me well, but in case anyone cares,
Wimoweh, the Lion Sleeps Tonight, whatever was written by a guy named
Soloman Lindy (probably misspelled) in the 20s, who was South African, but the
song isn't Zulu. The song doesn't have words, just sounds (like some rem
songs) and the "in the jungle,..." melody doesn't appear until the end of
the song.  There's an album out that has ten or so versions, including the
original.  If anyone actually cares, I can ask a friend if they remember
any more. 

BTW, only Miram Makeba (probably misspelled that too) and Pete Seeger
credit the original author.
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Subject: Re: Cure: I Wish...
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 09:18:40 -0400 
 <u882517.718937555@bruny> <Bw1KJ8.BxM@acsu.buffalo.edu><u882517.719045441@bruny>
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>>
over, and the Cure just can't keep pace.  Sad, but true...even Robert says
Ride is his favourite band.  (Need I say more?)
<<

and that's supposed to prove....what? Robert also says the only Cure album
he listens to is "Mixed Up" which most Cure fans abhor with a passion.

--Vernon.
From: bthompso@reed.edu (Benjamin Thompson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Sonic Youth -- Rare tracks...
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:48:40 GMT
Distribution: everywhere
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

During my radio show this evening at KRRC, I was digging through our
Sonic Youth collection and found an old Promo record from 1985.  It
had two tracks on it, Flower and Halloween.  Do these tracks appear on
any other albums/releases?  Or is this the only place they ever
appeared?  Flower, by the way, is quite extreme when compared to other
early sonic...

-- 
Benjamin Thompson                     My views are my own, as far as I know...
bthompso@reed.edu                     I go to Reed College --- You can trust me
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From: rho@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Richard Ho)
Subject: Re: Hey, what happened to....
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:23:47 GMT

In article <Bw37qC.CzC@mtholyoke.edu> gewong@mtholyoke.edu (G.e.R.m.a.I.N) writes:
>
>all the Morriseyfans out there??   :-)
>
>Lets start a Morrisey thread... 
>
>Hmm.. any suggestions?  Favourite Morrisey song maybe?
>


Hey, I just realized that the "Your Arsenal" cd doesn't have any
lyrics!

Does anybody have these lyrics 'on-line'??  I'd really appreciate
getting hold of them!

And who exactly are those people in the picture? I saw that photo on
t-shirts at the concert (Boston), and never realized where it came
from!  Yeah , yeah, I know ... it me ages to look inside the cover!


Fav. song?   Piccadilly Palare .... love that wolf howl!  ;-)



Richard.

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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:08:53 EDT
From: Christopher H. Prokop <CP8219A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: CeremonyG500

With all the JD/NO talk I recommend something
Galaxie 500 does a cover of Ceremony on the back of
a single- 'Blue Thunder'
Considering Galaxie 500 is a very guitar cenetered band
and ceremony is basically techno., its something that is
very interesting to listen to.  I would say that G-500's
version is even MORE emotional than the original
HIGHLY RECOMMENED            Chris
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: eak56063@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the Cure)
Subject: Re: Sinead does SNL
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:49:52 GMT

powellb@samwise.colorado.edu (Brian Powell) writes:


>new Rolling Stone interview to be released.  In it, she states:

>	1) Mike Tyson is an innocent victim and that Desirea (sp.) Washington
>		(the woman that was raped by Tyson) is a bitch and a shame to
>		all women
>	2) The LA riots should happen, and people in LA have a human right to
>		take whatever they want from stores.


you forgot to mention Brian that these are taken outta context and to get the
whole picture, one must read the whole interview...
-- 
| So when the hurting starts           |      you dont have to give in...     |
| and when the nightmares begin        |            NEVER GIVE IN             |
| remember you can fill up the sky     |                                      |
| you don't have to give in...         |   theCURE@uiuc.edu             eric  |
From: tsai@RUMBA.SEAS.UPENN.EDU (Joe Tsai)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: R.E.M. breaking up -- maybe a rumor, but what if...?
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:19:41 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct9.135801.2558@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro) writes:
>
>ps. I still think they should have kept the name "Buckets of Piss", or maybe 
>even made their temporary stints as "Bingo Handjob" or "Beastpenis" permanent.

--------------------

I thought "Hornets Attack Victor Mature" was pretty good, too...

JJT	tsai@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
From: mnf0642@hertz.njit.edu (mnf)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: REM (again) 4/R question
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:49:17 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

It stands for Jeje.

Nuno
From: Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: R.E.M. breaking up -- #2 (ha!)
Date: 9 Oct 92 04:19:48 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Oct8.195402.16834@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Tatro) wrote:

>   When Green came out, a friend of mine theorized that they would have only 
> three more albums.  This was his reasoning:
>     - "Document" is subtitled "#5"
>     - "Green" has a number 4 imprinted in the cover lettering
>     - Continuing on this theme, "Out of Time" is three words
> What we have here, IMHO, is a count down.  I have been scouring my copy of AFTP trying to find anything with a two in it and have not yet succeeded.  Ric
> Dube's news would, though, unfortunately confirm this theory.
> Always in search of a conspiracy
> -kristoff

Well it was strange. Document #5 was tolerable. But the 4 in gloss over the
R in Green and R.E.M. was too much. Out of Time as three words is sort of
iffy. And here'e my even iffier #2 in Automatic for the People.

If you pull out the CD liner notes/photos and look at the side with all
photos, you'll notice a pattern. Each member is on the side a total number
of 2 times! OH NO! Only 1 more album!!! A world tour for three years. And a
long awaited album on Janurary 1, 2000. Then no more REM! :-(


--
Mos Eisley  at Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu
"Children's television is like dog food. They don't care what it tastes
like as long as the kids eat it." Bob Camp, producer, now director of R&S,
on TV networks
From: Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Sidewinder lyrics update
Date: 11 Oct 92 09:36:24 GMT
Followup-To: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Yale University

With much help from Kevin :-), here's the updated lyrics for "The
Sidewinder Sleeps Tonight". Please mail if you notice any needed
corrections. Thanks :-)

The Sidewinder Sleeps Tonight
by R.E.M. (Automatic for the People)

This here is the place where I will be stayin'
There isn't a number you can call the payphone.
Let it ring a long long long long time.
But I don't pick up, hang up.
Call back, let it ring some more.
Oh woah.
I don't pick up, pick up the sidewinder sleeps sleeps sleeps in a car.

Call on me when you try to wake her up. Call on me when you try to wake
her. (3)

There are scratches all around the coin slot.
Like a heartbeat baby, trying to wake up.
This machine can only swallow money.
You can't lay a patch by computer design, 
Just a lot of stupid stupid signs.
Tell her. Tell her she can kiss my ass
And laugh and say that you were only kidding.
That way, she'll know that it's really really really really me me.

Call on me when you try to wake her up. Call on me when you try to wake
her.

Baby it's the soup; it doesn't really grab me.
Today I need something more sub-stop-subsubstantial: 
A can of beans or blackeyed peas,
Some Nescafe in ice, 
A candy bar, a fallen star,
Or a reading from Dr. Seuss.

Call on me when you to wake her up. Call on me when you try to wake her.
(3)

Cat in the hat came back,
Wrecked a lot of havoc on the way,
Always had a smile and a reason to, content
Their world is flat backgrounds and little.
Need to sleep, to drink,
The sidewinder sleeps on its back.

Call on me when you try to wake her up. Call on me when you try to wake
her. (2)
I can always keep standin' up. Call on me when you try to wake her.
Call on me when you try to wake her up. Call on me when you try to wake
her.
(repeat once more)

Call on me when you try to wake her up. Call on me when you try to wake
her.
I can always keep standin' up. Call on me when you try to wake her.
I can always keep standin' up. Call on me when you try to wake her.

You got a boogie woogie hook on this one.

--
Mos Eisley  
"Children's television is like dog food. They don't care what it tastes
like as long as the kids eat it." Bob Camp, producer, now director of R&S,
on TV networks
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene)
Subject: Re: Sabbath covers
Organization: Hell Hole, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:37:16 GMT

Steel Pole Bathtub covered "Paranoid" on their "Lurch"
release.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: avac002@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: NZ Record Label Releases
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:43:04 GMT

Failsafe Records Limited
P.O.Box 3003
Christchurch
New Zealand
If any of you world people are interested in getting hold of some Independent
New zealand Music contact Failsafe Records for a catalaogue and discription of
acts.
The label predominantly does Guitar based music and not really grunge based but
with heavy aspects and pop aspects though obviously not in the mainsteam kylie
mode.
 
we have 21 New Zealand records avaliable on CD and Cassette and prices are
pretty cheap if your buying from overseas due to the exchange rate and in some
cases you can buy them for cheaper than you can buy records in your own country
including postage costs. All releases have a high production standard so fear
not the tape hiss syndrome.

Available from

Failsafe Records Ltd
PO Box 3003 
Christchurch,
New Zealand.
Send an SAE for catalogue. 

Cheers etc 

Rob
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Sinead does SNL
From: Chris Ferrall <ferrall+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:45:31 -0400 
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.alternative: 9-Oct-92 Re: Sinead does
SNL by matt@??? 
> ...
> man himself has created (imagined) to explain what he cannot.  Shit, I
> can't even sneeze without hearing "bless you;" this statement obviously
> originated when we couldn't understand sneezing--so we made it a fucking
> religous event.  Notice that as natural science contradicts everything that
> was once attributed to God (evolution, sneezing, etc., etc.) people still
> fail to doubt their faith because they have been so religiously
> indoctrinated throughout their lives.  God is nothing but an naive nation's
> security blanket.  Put aside what you have been forced to learn since you
> we too young to speak.  Does it really make sense?  Sinead speaks the
> "forbidden" truth.

As a (gentler) agnostic who doesn't think he knows what the truth is,
I don't agree with most of the views expressed above or in Sinead's
performance. In part, I think they fail to respect (and awe in) the
reality of people's faith in things they don't understand, and replace
it with another kind of faith. But Matt is right in that Sinead
expressed a lot of people's feelings.  I think the topic is appropriate
for this newsgroup if we focus on the art rather than the message
itself.  I see two differences between the SNL appearance and, say,
"Black Boys on Mopeds":

(1)  The person Sinead went after is not a politician but a person whom
the very people Sinead wants to help (poor Third World Catholics) hold
in reverence.  Maybe she wants comfortable American Christians to think,
but I doubt it will work.  She did get herself a lot of attention again. 

(2)  I've listened and thought about "BBOM" and "The Emperor's New
Clothes" because she wrote damn (oops sorry for that religious reference
there) good songs around the messages.  I don't know the original
recording of "War," which I learned here is a Marley tune, but I suspect
Bob Marley did the same thing with his message.  I thought her
performance wasn't that compelling because her anger was bare, not
implied, but that's because I don't like preachers of any faith.  Her
changing the topic of the song and waiting
until the end to tell us what she was singing about was brillant.

--Chris
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Primus Sucks!
From: rabbi@kiwi.gen.nz (Rabbi Bajzheet)
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:58:09 GMT
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

BFA0@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (BFA0) writes:
: 
: Has anyone heard the new Primus EP? Is it as amazing as it should
: be?
: 
: later..

Do you mean Miscellaneous Debris, the EP of covers? If you do, then yeah, it's
great.

If you mean something else, then waaaaah! Quick! What's it called? Where do i
get one? 

<drool>

Rabbi
.s
aaaaargh

Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: New Mudhoney
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:05:05 GMT

In article <UepofFC00VB68b5UM3@andrew.cmu.edu> Michael Hamilton Walker <mw5e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 17:27:45 -0400 
>From: Michael Hamilton Walker <mw5e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
>Subject: New Mudhoney
>Mike


Great post.

Keep it up Mike!



          /\           | I didn't say this.      | 
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      /        \       | kill me if i did.       | "What's in the basket?"
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  /                \   |Gunnar Horrigmo          | 
/____________________\ |gunnarh@sofus.dhhalden.no| "It's my brother!"
From: x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: swirlies
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:36:41 GMT
Reply-To: x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

the swirlies have two 7 incher that i know about (they are both being 
sold through ajax mail order) and they are fan-fuckin-tastic..-

                                 caroliner fishface gas pumpl
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: japanese noise
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:18:01 GMT

In article <37330@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> x3460afe@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>well well well, who likes the ruins, the boredoms, or hanatarash????

      I like the Boredoms a'bunch. Is there anything else you want to know?

                                                                 K!z!K
From: kwelch@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kevin C. Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: R.E.M.
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:50:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Bvv5sH.E5y@umassd.edu> s14182sm@UMASSD.EDU writes:

>Here's a part of the lyrics:

>            "The information nation took the clues from all
>             the......1980, 84, 88, 92, 2, 2...."
>
>           
> Now were all those # 2's needed or are REM trying to tell us something.
> I hope it's not the dreaded COUNTDOWN.

I heard them to be:
	the information nation took the clues from all the sound bytes
	from 1980, 84, 88, 92 too too.


"Too" would just reinforce the continuum of Republican "take overs" in
those years.

>                                       Steve

kcw

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From: MDJ102@psuvm.psu.edu (Mike Jung)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Swirlies, 10,000 Maniacs
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:25:50 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Whoever told me that the Swirlies had an album coming out soon on Taang!
Records, the local store got it in yesterday.  It's a good disc, but track
3, "her life of artistic freedom," can only pass on a broad definition of
"artistic freedom," just 'cos of the recording quality (my brotheworked in a
studio for a cfor a couple of years, said, "They must have had to work
pretty hard to get that much noise.").  Anyway, is this all of the Swirlies
material available, or do I still have to search for 7" singles?

Got the new 10,000 Maniacs album, too.  I cracked up when I heard the
"Smells Like Teen Spirit"-esque drum intro of "These Days." I wonder if
they're making a joke, or if that was the fill they had in mind; whatever it
is, it works.  Natalie sounds pretty tired, and her lyrics sort of wander
over the first track, but "Our Time in Eden" is really good, overall.  (Note
that they switched producers, from Peter Asher, who did the last two Maniacs
albums, to Paul Fox, who supposedly is noted for producing "crossover"
albums for "alternative" artists to go Top 40, or at least more popular.
Fox also did the latest Sugarcubes album.)

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mdj102@psuvm.psu.edu                 - sinead o'connor
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From: jrn@redwood21.cray.com (Jim Nemmers)
Subject: Re: Sinead does SNL
Originator: jrn@redwood21
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:37:13 CDT


In article <BvvFyz.JvD@andy.bgsu.edu>, matt writes:
>
> First of all, I know that political and religious commentary isn't the
> purpose of alt.music.alternative but I really don't care.  Sinead put out a
> valid interpretation of many individuals' feelings towards the church.  She
> was not attacking the Pope directly, but rather she was showing her
> contempt for the religious dogma that is shoved down our throats every day.

Speaking of getting shit shoved down our throats, how 'bout Sinead's actions.
She purposely evades giving SNL any knowledge of her intentions to make a
religous statement. I don't know about anyone else, but I watch SNL for its
entertainment and humor. I didn't see either of these catagories in Sineads
performance. Although her performance did come closer to humor than it did
entertainment. Luckily I have remote.

>  The sepertion of church and state does not exist-->everyone of our elected
> officals is a devout "beleiver."  Our school boardrooms are being invaded
> by bible-toting "doogooders," yet look at how fucked up our world is...

I hardly believe that the state of our world can be blamed on our leaders
religious convictions (entirely). Much of how our world is may possibly
be blamed on the individuals without religious/moral values. Take, for
instance, abortion. If people had more religious/moral convictions, maybe
our government wouldn't feel the need to have to regulate it.

This is not the issue though. The issue is using SNL's invitation to entertain
an audience to voice/display her religious convictions. I vote no!

>
>       "If you're out there, I want to see you"

Your day will come.

Now lets get back to alternative music discussions.
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