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From: exubma@exu.ericsson.se (Bassam Madi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: penguin guide to recorded jazz
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:04:06 GMT
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In article <1993Jan22.231121.19455@serval.net.wsu.edu> dschaefe@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Don Schaefer - Economics;S28754) writes:
>last week there was a discussion of the penguin guide to
>recorded jazz. my local bookseller investigated and could
>only find penguin's Jazz on CD LP and Cassette by Cook and 
>Morton (isbn 0140153640) which would not be available
>until may 1993. is this the penguin guide to recorded jazz?
>if not could anyone provide me with more information so i
>could track it down?
>thanks
>don schaefer
> 

Yes. This is the book. I bought it yesterday from Border's bookstore
in Dallas, for $22.50 + tax.

Speaking of the book, it definitely is a good reference but:

1. It's far from complete. Some terrible examples of the incompleteness
   are the ommissions of Mingus' Mingus Ah Um, Sonny Clark's Strutting and 
   Dizzy Gillespie's at the French Riviera. There were no Antontio Carlos
   Jobim albums listed at all!! I always thought that Stone Flower was
   a classic.

   However, in all fairness, most titles are there.

2. The rating of some of the albums is rediculous. Pat Metheny's albums
   almost all received a bad rating. I think the writers are a bit 
   opinionated. I guess that is to be expected.

3. The Japanese imports that are available (although at very high prices),
   such as the various CBS Japan Miles albums are not listed at all.

Bottom Line (2 lines:-)
It's more or less a must have, even though it has the defficiencies
listed above. It's a great effort and definitely a useful book.

Bassam
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Hal Russell
Date: 26 Jan 1993 08:24:31 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
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In article <1993Jan25.162304.2189@msus1.msus.edu> kenz@local.host writes:
>sh/Swiss Tour recording?  I just bought "Hal's Bells" on ECM and have enjoyed
>it as much as the two recordings he did for Nessa and the one he did on 
>Principally Jazz.
>Also, what is the name/number of the third ECM Hal Russell recording?  Any
>information on it's whereabouts?

The Finnish tour was out first, and it is ECM so it should be findable.
The third Hal Russell recording on ECM is going to be called THE HAL
RUSSELL STORY, and is due out in the spring of 93 on ECM.

Jeff
From: hellers@cs.wisc.edu (Joe Hellerstein)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Zorn: Spillane and the recent Japanese releases
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:55:34 GMT
	<v5kqf2o@zola.esd.sgi.com>
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept.

In article <v5kqf2o@zola.esd.sgi.com> sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz) writes:
>
>   Yeah, I heard this band called "Prime Time" that has this 
>   American drummer and this Indian drummer and all these loud
>   guitars.  Man, you shoulda heard them try to play Ornette.
>   Then there was that Pat Metheny album with Denardo AND Jack
>   DeJohnette.  They sure couldn't play a melody.

Well, touche, there are two drummers in Prime Time (all I've got is
VIRGIN BEAUTY, which does indeed have Denardo and Calvin Weston).  But
you're not seriously suggesting that you don't hear the distinction
between the Prime Time sound and the sound of SPY VS SPY?  I mean,
Prime Time is not "loud" the way that SPY VS SPY is.  Am I being silly
here? 

>   I think Spy Vs Spy does a fine job of what it's trying to do-
>   bring Ornette to a generation with hardcore sensibilities and
>   regain some of the shock that Ornette caused when he started.

Was Ornette really about shocking people, mostly?  I don't think so, I
think he presented the music as music, not as shock value.  And while
Zorn's clearly after shock value, I think he's got more going on there
too.

Joe Hellerstein
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Presidential Bash Sham (OR: how i became a republican
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:36:16 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

Hey, at least on the Diz tribute that Cosby introduced, when they cut
away, they cut away on Wyntons solo :)

JEff
From: lmcohen@terapin.com (Lee Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Art Pepper Alert!!!
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:09:27 PST
Organization: BBS

For all you hard core Pepper fans there is a new Bluenote title which
is a compilation of Bab Gonzales dates called, "Weird Lullaby" that
includes cuts with Art as a sideman and an 1ear old Wynton
Kelly!.  Others are Sonny Rollins, Tad Dameron, Sonny Clark, Paul
Chambers and Jimmy Smith.   There's also a version of 'Round
Midnight with lyrics by Babs.
From: gwl@specialist.genrad.com (Glenn W. Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Cadence order is nigh - opinions please!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 08:01:55 -0500
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: specialist.genrad.com
Keywords: LONG (sorry)

In article <C1FIz3.J2C@rice.edu> mcmahon@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael G. McMahon) writes:
>
>Well, as the title says, I'd like any opinions on the following CDs &
>LPs.  I have to cut the list down somehow!
>
>
>Sun Ra: "Mayan Temples", Black Saint 120121
>  I want _something_ of post-60's Sun Ra.  Let me know if I'm doing
>right or wrong with this one.  

This is a very good one, recorded in 91, I believe, with lots of
variety, great Gilmore sax work, very generous playing time.  You're
doing right.

>Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy with the AEC: Live 2/14/90  DIW 842
>  I've heard this isn't as good as thier others.  What's the deal?

It isn't.  It's highly edited, so you get a few random AEC fragments,
a couple of BF repeats and an uninspired "unison" piece.  Really not a
good buy, IMO.

>Lester's BF: "My Way" DIW 835
>  Never heard anything about it.

I've heard that it's not as good as "Serious Fun", but good.

>  Also, you can't make me not buy the Ellington "Fargo Concert" on VJC :)
>
Good.  You need it.

Glenn

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From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Re: Thomas Conrad's Basic 50
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 17:36:06 EST

     Not that I find anything specifically wrong about Conrad's list, but 
let me put in a word of warning about Conrad and CD Review.  This magazine 
is dreadfully erratic in the quality of its reviewing, ranging from the 
perceptive (especially when a good critic such as John Diliberto comes in) 
to the utterly amateurish.  And, unfortunately, Conrad's reviews sometimes 
fall in the latter category IMHO, especially when he's faced with 
something he instinctively dislikes (i.e. electric jazz).  So I would not 
recommend taking his word as final, although it can be useful.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa
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Subject: Re: Hal Russell
From: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu (William Hsu)
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:22:36 PST
Reply-To: hsu@walnut.sfsu.edu
Distribution: world

Bill Kenz:
> I still find it strange that an "old, bearded man"
> could play with such fire. 

If you've ever seen Hal Russell play (like Seth Katz and I did in
Chicago last summer), all your preconceptions about "old, bearded
men" go out the window :-). Hal was an irrepressible child. Hal was
everywhere. Hal danced around. Hal rapped like Donald Duck. 

Hal was the kind of "old bearded man" you see in old cartoons...

Bill
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Subject: Toots Thielman
From: kroin@mcvax2.d48.lilly.com
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:13:15 EST
Distribution: na,local

Toots Thielman put out a CD in which he gathered some of the best musicians
from Brasil and put out an album called The Brasil Project. It's kinda
beautiful, bittersweet stuff. He plays the harmonica and is apparently the
studio harmonica man for anything from the Sesame St. theme to commercials.
Check it out and let me know what you think. Stan (I got a guitar for X-mas the
zee possibilities are endless).-- 
      +--------------------------------------------------------------+
      J.S.K@Lilly.Com is really Julian Kroin,late of Indpls. IN.
      +--------------------------------------------------------------+
From: sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Seth Katz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Sun Ra
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:54:54 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA


In article <MfNK4Kq00iUyA2d3N4@andrew.cmu.edu>, rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
> from Ron Roberts:
> > 
> >I'm still trying to determine whether "Pictures of Infinity"
> >is an album title as opposed to a tune.
> 
> Pictures of Infinity is an album title. There is no song with that title
> by Sun Ra. the album is a live 1968 recording released by Black Lion
> records. It is currently out of print, but some Black Lion stuff is
> being reissued on cd, so maybe it will be available again sometime soon.

I have seen it on CD as an expensive import.
=-s
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Subject: Re: Hal Russell
From: kenz@local.host
Date: 27 Jan 93 08:27:56 -0600
Reply-To: kenz@local.host
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.

In article <SMEHTA.93Jan26112235@kwela.nynexst.com>, smehta@kwela.nynexst.com (Sandeep Mehta) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan25.162733.2190@msus1.msus.edu> kenz@local.host writes:
 
>>    Has anyone information on the availability of Hal Russell's recording
>>    the Finnish/Swiss tour?....
>
>It is in print as is HAL'S BELLS. Tower has it and you can probably
>order it by modem from CD Connection. I like the group recording
>better.  Somehow the idea of overdubs bothered me a wee bit though
>Hal's genius made it work wonderfully. 
================================================================
    I'm not familiar with ordering from a CD Connection from Tower.  Can you
explain (or send EMail message).
    I too wondered about the overdubs on Hal's Bells.  But after even one
listen, my misgivings were sent to the trash heap because, as you say, it
really is a fine recording!  I still find it strange that an "old, bearded man"
could play with such fire.  He never lost that sense of exploration and
committment to the freer aspects of the music.  I hope I have his love of the
music and life when I'm "up there!"  I wish some of the younger musicians would
learn something from Russell's contributions.  Long live Sun Ra!!  Do you
suppose Hal Russell is also from Saturn?!

Bill Kenz
kenz@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
======================================================================

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From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Subject: Re: penguin guide to recorded jazz
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:04:49 GMT

dschaefe@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Don Schaefer - Economics;S28754) writes:
>last week there was a discussion of the penguin guide to
>recorded jazz. my local bookseller investigated and could
>only find penguin's Jazz on CD LP and Cassette by Cook and 
>Morton (isbn 0140153640) which would not be available
>until may 1993. is this the penguin guide to recorded jazz?

The title, author and publisher are right, but my copy has no ISBN in it!
I got mine from a local Barnes and Nobles, but the main NY Barnes and
Nobles book store in NYC should also have it, and they do mail order.
Check NYC (area code 212) directory assistance for the number.

As for why mine has no isbn and why your bookseller says not till May, I
don't know. Maybe B&N just has books shipped from England and there will
be a "US" printing, complete with ISBN? Mine does have the price in pounds,
US $ (22.50, but B&N discount 10%), and Canadian $.

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
hery@att.COM
Organization: Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:08:55 -0500 
From: "Roy D. McKelvey" <rm0n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sun Ra
Distribution: na

I have a cassette of "Pictures of Infinity." I believe
that it is on Black Lion (or is it Leo?). I've never
seen it anywhere else (on LP or CD).

It's mentioned in the Rolling Stone Jazz Guide if that's
available to you (they don't say much about it though).

I'm going blank on the titles it contains, but it's in
my car, so I could let you know if you want. One title
is "Outer Spaceways Incorporated", and there's a great
version of one of my favorite tunes from Sound of Joy,
but I can't think of its name.
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Ornette Coleman discs ?
From: kenz@local.host
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:26:17 -0600
Reply-To: kenz@local.host
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.


In article <C141nJ.BD9@news.rich.bnr.ca>, jgthomas@crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Thomas) writes:
>In article <SMEHTA.93Jan18144928@kwela.nynexst.com>, smehta@kwela.nynexst.com (Sandeep Mehta) writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>|> 
>|> I would like to say that of all the jazz and improvised music that
>|> I've listened to in the last 7-8 years I found Ornette's music the
>|> easiest to gravitate towards and appreciate. 
>|> 
>|> /sandeep
>|> --
>|> smehta@nynexst.com
>|> --
>|>         "This space of time is organized. We need not fear these
>|> 	 silences, -- we may love them." -- John Cage, Silences, 1961.
>
>AMEN!!!
>
>As people have mentioned, there are so many wonderful Ornette discs
>to have to pick from to come up with an essential 2 or 3.
>
>I haven't heard that much Prime Time except for portions of OF HUMAN 
>FEELINGS (didn't like it) that I can't really recommend any but
>ohhhhh those Atlantics!!!  I would say pick any of the ones already
>mentioned.  You really can't go wrong with any of them.  I think Marc
>made a good point about TWINS too -- excellent sampler from a lot
>of periods. 
>
>I heartily recommend the Golden Circle volumes on Blue Note as well.
>Does anyone know if the concert album (on Freedom I think) with 
>Izenson/Moffett/Coleman is still in print???

     I don't know if the Freedom 2-fer is in print, however, may I suggest
another OC LP worth owning?  Try the Impulse release "Crisis", featuring
Charlie Haden's "Song for Che" and the piece "Trouble in the East" (which
contains some nice bowing from Haden.

Bill Kenz
internet  kenz@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu

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From: mad@cs.wm.edu (Michael A. Dritschel)
Subject: Re: Presidential Bash Sham (OR: how i became a republican
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:03:35 GMT


>>: Evan Parker is probably one of the few musicians who could really do
>>: justice to the supposed "melody" of our national fight-song.
>>I would hope so - the "melody" was supposedly borrowed from a British drinking
>>song.


>Well, kids, check the Carla Bley EUROPEAN TOUR 1977 album, where
>they do a medley called "Banner Spangled Minor" based on the national
>hymns of some of your favorite free world nations (as well as some
>of Carla's own tunes  -- including "drinking music", perhaps?)

>Evan Parker was not a member of this band, I think, but some his
>buddies, like Gary Windo and Hugh Hopper, were.

>But the best version is the Dirty Dozen's on their MARDI GRAS IN
>MONTREUX album, where they merge the SSB and the Flintstones.

>While on this subject, I recall that Steve Lacy's ANTHEM conatins a
>piece that was commissioned by the French Government as part of their
>revolution's bicentennial.  There must be something about the soprano
>sax that appeals to politicians.


>--Gidi

Which reminds me of a young men's choral group I saw about a year ago
in Groningen called the "Screaming Finns".  They don't so much sing as
shout, letting the natural range of the voices of the ensemble members
account for any variations in pitch.  The style is remeniscent of
some music by Ernst Toch from the 30's.  During the concert they
did a set of national anthems, including a truly inspired version of
the SSB, complete with vocal sound effects.  Anyone else seen them or
heard of any recordings?


-- 
Michael A. Dritschel          mad@cs.wm.edu

Department of Mathematics
The College of William and Mary
From: andrew@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Andrew Shields)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Zorn: Spillane and the recent Japanese releases
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:44:33 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: marie.physik.tu-berlin.de

In <SMEHTA.93Jan20114818@kwela.nynexst.com> smehta@kwela.nynexst.com (Sandeep Mehta) writes:

>Incidentally I was mildly surprised by Richard Cook's description of
>SPY VS SPY in the Penguin Guide. He described it as among the best
>treatments of Ornette's music in that despite the hardcore thrash
>feel to the album it retains the melodic germ of Ornette's
>compositions. Or some such thing...

>Any comments on that aspect of SPY?

As far as its being a collection of Ornette tunes, Spy is impeccable.
When I listen to it, I'm always humming afterwward.

BUT:  I don't think I've listened to the whole thing straight 
through more than once!  The record is simply utterly relentless!
I don't have it in Berlin with me, but my recollection is that
the first 25 or 30 minutes are loud and fast, then there's one
"ballad" (speaking in relative terms), and then it's all loud
and fast again.

That said, I love it!  Simply for the gall of it.  But that said:
Zorn's gall gets a bit old, as Glenn (I believe it was) pointed
out about the disgusting covers.  The second time I saw 
Naked City live (and I still think they are the world's
greatest band), it actually started to get boring, because
the joke was old.  When JZ introduced "Jazz Snob Eat Shit", 
I felt like he was forgetting how much of a snob he himself is,
acting very conscending when people don't know all the obscure 
music he knows.  That said, I repeat:  Naked City is the greatest
band alive, I figure he sat down and thought:  I want to have
the greatest band alive, and then he picked the musicians to 
do it.

Andrew

Andrew
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Take 6
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:57:50 GMT

In article 29925@linus.mitre.org, jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman) writes:
>|  I just heard some tracks off a CD by an *OUTSTANDING* a capella
>|group called "Take 6". Can anybody fill me in on who they are, whence
>|they came etc
>|
>|                                  Jerry Freedman,Jr


Gladly.  They are six guys, hence the name, who got together in Oakhill(?)
Seminary in Huntsville Alabama.  They do mostly gospel type of tunes.  They 
have collaborated with Joe Samples on one of his albums.  They are also
featured a neat compilation called "Do it a capella".  It is actually a soundtrack 
of a PBS show directed by Spike Lee featuring six a capella groups.  Definitely a 
good investment.
---
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*Electric Power Laboratory	Snail mail: 33787 Ga. Tech Station * 
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From: marvo@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (ronald.f.roberts)
Subject: Re: Sun Ra
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:37:52 GMT


In article <1993Jan22.170807.18925@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, marvo@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (ronald.f.roberts) writes:
>>Can anyone please tell me the current CD(s) on which the following two Sun Ra
>>tunes appear?
>>
>>	"Pictures of Infinity" (recorded 1968)
>>
>>	"Fate In a Pleasant Mood" (recorded 1959)
>>
>>I have examined a number of the late Sun Ra reissues on the Evidence label
>>and other labels but have been unable to locate these two tunes 

[stuff deleted]

sandeep writes:

>Pictures of Infinity is only an album title I believe. I couldn't
>find a tune by that title

>Fate in a Pleasant Mood is on:

>Fate in a Pleasant Mood
>	Saturn SR 9956-2/A/B; LP 202
>	Impulse AS 9270 (1974)

>Ra to the Rescue
>	Saturn IX/1983-220

>Love in Outer Space: Live in 'trecht
>	Leo LR-154 (1988)

>Live at Praxis'84 Vol. 1
>	Praxis CM 108 (1984)


>When Spaceships Appear
>	Saturn Sun Ra 101485 A/B (1985)


>Cosmo Sun Connection
>	Saturn/ Recommended SRRRD 1 (1985)

>I got all of this from Robert Campbell's on-line Sun Ra discography
>which is a masterpiece.

[stuff deleted]

>/sandeep

I'm posting the above information that Sandeep provided to my 
inquiry...(thanks, Sandeep.) in reponse to a secondary inquiry from 
Glenn Lea. 

[Glenn, my attempts to reply to you are getting bounced back.] 

I'm still trying to determine whether "Pictures of Infinity"
is an album title as opposed to a tune.

-- 

Ron Roberts
AT&T Bell Laboratories, P.O. Box 900, Princeton, New Jersey 08542-0900
rfr@pruxp.att.com, phone: 609-639-2242, fax: 609-639-3121
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: torda@igc.ethz.ch (Andrew Torda)
Subject: Re: Lounge Lizards/John Lurie
Organization: Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zuerich
Distribution: rec.music.bluenote
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:24:44 GMT

Matthew Wesley Spitzer writes:
>      I was just wondering what people thought about John Lurie and the
>Lounge Lizards.  A few years ago I heard "The Big Heart" and got all 
>excited and rushed out to buy the record because that song is so hot.  But
>overall, I'd say the rest of the album was sort of grating.  What do people
>out in netland think about them? Any albums anyone wants to recommend?

What do you mean by grating ? Dull, cliched or something that actually
sounds musically harsh ?
Anyway, in my opinion, "No Pain For Cakes" is more fun than their
other stuff. The one track with spoken vocals has a sense of humour.
Have you heard any of the solo stuff from either of the Luries ?
That is so dam serious it verges on pretentious.
If you like "The Big Heart" you might also like some Curlew.
Just some opinions.
-Andrew



-- 

Andrew Torda, Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zurich, torda@igc.ethz.ch
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Presidential Bash Sham (OR: how i became a republican
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:39:56 GMT

>: Evan Parker is probably one of the few musicians who could really do
>: justice to the supposed "melody" of our national fight-song.
>I would hope so - the "melody" was supposedly borrowed from a British drinking
>song.


Well, kids, check the Carla Bley EUROPEAN TOUR 1977 album, where
they do a medley called "Banner Spangled Minor" based on the national
hymns of some of your favorite free world nations (as well as some
of Carla's own tunes  -- including "drinking music", perhaps?)

Evan Parker was not a member of this band, I think, but some his
buddies, like Gary Windo and Hugh Hopper, were.

But the best version is the Dirty Dozen's on their MARDI GRAS IN
MONTREUX album, where they merge the SSB and the Flintstones.

While on this subject, I recall that Steve Lacy's ANTHEM conatins a
piece that was commissioned by the French Government as part of their
revolution's bicentennial.  There must be something about the soprano
sax that appeals to politicians.


--Gidi