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From: aaron@cse.ucsc.edu (Aaron Emigh)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 19:57:39 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
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In article <25507@sybase.sybase.com> thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
writes:
[...]
>I've sometimes wondered why [my teacher] didn't try full-time teaching of MA
>for a living.  One thing that comes to mind is that by NOT depending
>on it for a living, he could do and teach exactly as he saw fit
>without worrying about getting or retaining the number of students
>necessary to make a living at it (though I think he usually had
>enough students that he could have gotten by)..   i.e. he didn't
>have to 'sell out' or commercialize (read 'cheapen' to the purist)...
>
>any comments on this idea ?

I'm sure that independence from the marketplace has validity; just
thought I'd provide an opposing perspective.  I studied for a while
under someone (a Wing Chun practitioner) who felt that his martial arts
skills were "too precious to sell" and who taught strictly on a
non-remunerative, informal basis.  While I enjoyed working out with him,
he was far more fickle than he could have been in a commercial setting
(classes were often canceled, and his student turnover was quite high
because he'd often decide someone needed time away, etc.).  I don't
think his students ended up learning all that much, mostly because his
devotion to teaching was not really all that strong.

I certainly don't claim this is part and parcel with not being a
full-time martial artist, but I do think it's harder to really devote
yourself to an art without doing it full-time.  Also, the marketplace
will generally weed out teachers who aren't devoted, even though it
(obviously) often doesn't weed out teachers who aren't good.

>-t.c.

Aaron Emigh
aaron@iit.com
aaron@cse.ucsc.edu
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From: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Subject: training boards
Reply-To: "elliott chapin" <elliott.chapin@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:46:12 EST

ZC>Training boards:

ZC> Start with styrafoam and work your way up to balsa wood.:)


ZC>Sorry.  Couldn't help it.

And after the boards and bricks try a candle flame :)

Elliott Chapin
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From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Jujitsu
Date: 13 Nov 1992 18:14:36 GMT
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In article 2697@bradford.ac.uk, D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk (DG LEGROS) writes:
>Fair enough Rob, but when we are referring to art in normal conversation,
>or to other Ju-Jutsuka, we call it either Ju-Jutsu, or just Jutsu.  The
>reason I mentioned the style I practise, is because there are many
>different styles.  Ronin and Samurai, are both based very closely on
>the original Japanese system, whereas Brit-Jutsu (no-one seems to know
>the proper name) is just legalise thuggery, where they seem to score
>points by how much blood is shed.
>
>Oh, and check out the definitions of -Jutsu and -Do, we practise an art
>not a sport. (Kendo is to Kenjutsu what Judo is to Ju-Jutsu, i.e
>play fighting.)

I hope Robert doesn't mind me sticking my $.02 in here.

You state Ronin and Samurai are "based very closely on the original (sic)
Japanese system". I do not know of an "orginal" Ryu.

Some of the Ryu go by the following names:

Kito Ryu; Yoshin Ryu; Namba Shoshin Ryu; Takenouchi Ryu; Tenjin-Shinyo Ryu;
Shibukawa Ryu; and Daito Ryu, to name a few.

Roberts comments as to the Japanese laughing up their sleeves at such
names as Ronin Ryu and Samurai Ryu are well placed. 

This is not a flame, just a viewpoint on the ludicrous nature of the names.

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From: hogue@cs.arizona.edu (Justin C. Hogue)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: What ARE these styles..
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:24:05 GMT


  I was hoping you guys could help me...
I just started wado-ryu, and have been getting into it.  I saw this newsgroup
and have been bombarded with names of styles.  I've heard of Akido (spelling?)
from some law enforcement guys (they remarked on how dangerous a master was),
and TKD.  The rest are a mistery to me--anybody wanna email an explanation?
I don't remember seeing a FAQ.
I like to hear about basic beginnings and whether you consider it soft/hard
violet, whatever, and what people tend to think of them.  Thanx in advance.
--Jowfus
From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 10th Dan
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:54:37 GMT
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In article <1992Nov9.150155.13119@linus.mitre.org> troyer@mitre.org (Tom Royer) writes:

>My instructor once told me that the first five dan ranks come for
>what you've gotten out of the system, the next ranks come for
>what you've given back.

This is GREAT.  This pretty much matches what my understanding
has always been, but I've never seen it put so clearly and
succinctly.  Thanks.



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From: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Pushups
Keywords: Pushups, what else?
Date: 4 Nov 92 14:33:01 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <Y7-=RpA@engin.umich.edu> ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman) writes:
>do?  Perhaps it is different depending on whether one wants strong, fast
>arms or [Ren voice on] :} bulging pectoral muscles :} [Ren voice off]?

[Stimpy voice on] Duhhh...gee, Ren, some of us are just born that way.
[Stimpy voice off]

There are lots of different variations which seem to work different
groups. I was taught a number of these by a friend with bulging pecs
about 10 years ago.

Put your hands on the ground and make a triangle by touching your
thumbtips to each other and your index fingers to each other. Do pushups
touching your chest to this triangle, and do them touching your nose
inside the triangle.

Try doing them with your hands aligned under your shoulders.

Special Sex Pushups! Take a wide stance with both your hands and feet
very wide apart. Scoop your body down face first in a 'C' shape so that
when you finish, you wind up in a position sort of like a 'cobra'
position in yoga, but what do I know about yoga? Nothing. This one is
hard to describe. 

Handstand pushups. Get up against a wall, go up into a handstand with
your back to the wall. Do pushups. Have someone spot you. If you can do
5, you are a stud.

David Poore
poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu

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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Badass Karate (-Do?)
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 14:30:44 GMT

In article <4131@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <61765@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>>>generate power that does NOT come from strength, speed, or muscular
>>     I'm not quite sure what you mean. There's only one way to move
>
>	I mean that instead of coming close enough to correct execution
>and then muscling through to generate power, or moving very fast so that
>your speed covers your mistakes, you learn to move just _so_ and to be
>exactly here and to be relaxed and fluid when you get there...   I know
>I'm not saying this very well.

#define SOAPBOX
	To paraphrase my old Karate sensei, there are lots of ways to move,
most of them are wrong, some of them are pretty good, but there's only 1
optimal way. [of course, optimal assumes something that you're optimizing for]

	Soft stylists are always trying to find the path of least resistance in
their own bodies. If you are moving through the path of least resistance, then
you will be relaxed and fluid through the motion. If you are moving through a
resistive motion, then your body will have to introduce extra muscle tension
in order to maintain the movement.
	Basically, if you can maintain relaxation throughout the movement, then
you are moving along the path of least resistance. That's the idea which under-
lies Taiji (as I understand it). The goal is efficiency, within the context of
moving naturally - not necessarily in geometric ideas like "shortest distance
between your fist and the target is a straight line."
	Many people also believe that psychological states affect physical
states - so any mindset which involves ideas of conflict, fear or control will
tend to introduce tension in your body, degrading your physical performance,
as well as slowing down the spontaneous, intuitive activity of the mind.

#undef SOAPBOX

	All disclaimers apply.
	By the way, does what I say make sense to the other internal stylists
out there? I keep throwing this stuff out to the net so that people can tell me
if it sounds reasonable to them (seems reasonable to me).
--
	Stephen Chan
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From: dcasson@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Casson)
Subject: Thai Pads
Followup-To: dcasson@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:01:53 GMT

>Anyone know of a mail order place I can get quality Thai Pads.
>These need to be really thick in order to absorb the most powerful
>of kicks.  Preferably leather so that they last a long time.
>I'm not talking about the whimpy equipment made people like Macho, Century etc.

Try Perma-Bilt Boxing Equipment
They are located in Chatsworth Cal.  (818) 709-6832
I have a pair of them myself and there great.  I believe there is a life time
guarantee.  These are the same pads that are used down at Dan Inosanto's.


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From: mccorkl@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent Lee McCorkle)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Time required to attain Black Belt
Date: 7 Nov 1992 16:52:37 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
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   Although blackbelt is kinda arbitrary depending on the style, in mine,
Okinawan Goju-Ryu, the average time is about three years ideally.  That's
training three times a week for two hours on the average and of course not
missing any tests or many classes of course.  Also blackbelts are only given
out at our annual three day traning camp, or Hell as I like to call it, by
the instructors there.  Oh, it's called gasshuku by the way.  I guess in
Japan it lasts for seven days, with a day off in the middle.  I ache just
thinking about that.  :)

Kent L. McCorkle
mccorkl@matt.ksu.ksu.edu

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From: td06@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWARD DEFLAVEES)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido Black Belt tests
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:48:13 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>Back when I trained with the Ki society, Sensei would announce that we
>were going to do tests about 2 weeks in advance, and simply had a sign
>up sheet.  If someone signed up for a test they weren't ready for,
>Sensei politely told them they would need to wait until the next
>round, and if you *didn't* sign up for a test you should, Sensei
>"strongly encouraged" you to do so.  No one ever failed a test during
>my 4 years at the dojo.

At the school that I have been training at for the last 8 years, we do much
the same.  I have my 1st degree black, and the way my sensei and I test
students is very similar (my dan is in shotokan BTW).  Anybody can show up for
a yellow or blue belt test, they are open to everybody.  After blue however,
we have to invite you to test, and any student can feel comfortable in
declining.  To date, in over 10 years we've only failed one person for any
belt above 6th kyu.
From: D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk (DG LEGROS)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Jujitsu
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:20:45 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92356597@ccw302
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Robert Stroud (roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov8.191148.8245@bradford.ac.uk> D.G.Legros@bradford.ac.uk (DG LEGROS) writes:
: >I practice Ronin Ryu Ju-Jutsu, which is a variant of Samurai Ju-Jutsu and I can wholeheartedly recommend the
:             ^^^^^^^^^                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 
:     It is my belief and observation that the two silly naming 
:     conventions used above are pure non-sense.  Why do Americans
:     (and now I see the English) like to hang romatic and
:     historical terminology on asian MA?
: 
:     I quess somebody somewhere is having a good laugh at all
:     the people he convinced to used his made up name MA
:     system.  It is too bad as most students want to learn.
:     They just don't have a chance to get correct information
:     about something basically foreign.
: 
: 
: -- 
: Robert Stroud       roberts@usa.wv.tek.com
: Obukan Kendo Club
: Portland Oregon USA

Ronin Ryu is one man's interpretation of the techniques he was taught.
Ryu means School.  Samurai Ju-Jutsu, is also known as Samurai Ryu,
These are the names of SCHOOLS of the art, NOT STYLES.  Our
instructor left the Samurai Ryu, as they were ripping the club off,
hence he left the assoc, and formed his own, hence the name Ronin,
(Masterless Samurai), and as for all the students he conned, the
Ryu consists of 3 clubs.

Anymore comments?

Mail either myself D.G.Legros@bradford.uk.ac
or N.C.Openshaw@bradford.ac.uk

THANK YOU
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From: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Subject: re: Time for belts/knife techniques 
Reply-To: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 01:38:52 GMT


Time to attain Black Belt :  In the Goju Ryu, it took me 3 hours a day, 
five days a week, Saturday nights, and an average of 5 extra hours a week
at home with the heavy bag, double ended speedball, makiwara and sparring
with other students who lived closeby, for about 4 years and 10 months.  I was
in high school and somewhat fanatical.  Of course, this was with a private 
instructor with an average class size of 3, occasionally 4 students.  Being
in the Philippines at the time helped a lot as I was exposed to Modern 
Arnis, Escrima, Ming Chuan Gung Fu, Hapkido, TKD, Hsing-i/Pa Kua, Uechi ryu, 
and Kuntaw.  Had a great time and eventually learned to adapt my particular 
techniques to the situation and weak points of the opponent while emphasizing
my strengths ( I love body slams into walls.  Wonder if a book should be 
written (I think it was Fumio Demura who did this series) titled "Concrete 
Wall, Martial Arts Weapon of Self-Defense".  Anyway, you should at least hit 
shodan so you know the basics of body mechanics and what works for you.  You
get a chance to make dumb mistakes (Like a TKD red belt who used to flail his
hands when executing his kicks) and get the basic techniques down in your sleep.
Spend some time working on forms as you get to learn real quick how your body
should feel when executing a technique.



Knife Techniques:  If you have to remember the 'and then you do this' for you
to execute the knife defenses, I would advise a five shot Smith and Wesson in 
a Galco holster with the carry permit and training to go with it.  But seriously,
your best response is to resolve that you are going to get cut (hopefully on the
arms and nowhere serious) and react explosively and ferociously.  This is not
the time to consider how far you should go and all techniques should be executed
with full power.  Also remember the legalities of executing said techniques.  If
the guy wants your cash, give it to him.  As Chuck Norris once said," If he wants
my wallet, I'll hand it to him and offer to write him a check.  If he wants to 
kill me, it's good to know what I do to balance the scales a little bit".

For more info on this, pick up Mike Enchanis' 'Knife self-defense for Combat'.
He taught the Green Beanies and does not play when it comes to knife defense.


Enjoy....

Dave
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: 2 California Ninjutsu Seminars
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:42:27 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: chan@scf41.loral.com's message of 6 Nov 92 20:08:08 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.200808.16278@scf.loral.com> chan@scf41.loral.com (Dennis P. Chan) writes:

	   San Diego Ten Chi Jin Dojo 

   presents the first of a series of seminars on
   Ninpo Taijutsu Shinden (heart-to-heart transmission of 
   the Ninpo tradition) 

I'm curious.  How do you do this?  Do you kill the old master and cut 
out his heart and....um...

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From: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Subject: karate-getting in shape
Originator: srmcinto@c00583-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: srmcinto@eos.ncsu.edu (SEAN R MCINTOSH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:10:43 GMT


	Hi!  I am going to start taking some Karate classes in the near future 
and I would like some advice.  What do I need to do in order to prepare for these
classes.  I am mainly interested in the physical training area. If anyone has a 
suggested workout please e-mail it to me. 
	A friend of mine suggested that I do pushups on my knuckles.  What do 
you think?  I would also like some information on how to get my fists into shape
?  I would also like an opinion on full-contact karate.  I am interested in this, 
but I really do not know what to expect.  Any information will be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Sean
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Weapons in martial arts...
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:28:56 GMT
Distribution: ne
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: mikel@Apple.COM's message of 10 Nov 92 20:22:45 GMT


In article <74162@apple.apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:

   In article <1992Nov9.190555.9931@analog.com> alex.soto@analog.com (Alex Soto) writes:
   >	I am pretty new to this group, and would like to know a little about
   >which martial arts teach what weapons.  For example, what does aikido teach,
   >what about wu-tang or others?  I took a little of Tae kwon do, but I've 
   >never heard of it teaching any weapons.  In fact, don't the very words mean
   >something about hands?  I am in the Northeast (Boston to be exact), and I'd
   >like to pick a well rounded art to begin my training.  I am a beginner, so I
   >don't know too much and would appreciate some advice from others.  If anyone
   >else is from Boston, feel free to tell me about what you like of your art / 
   >school.

   Lots of martial arts styles teach weapons. Kung Fu styles and
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Ninjutsu, in particular, include lots of weapons. I believe that
   most of the Japanese arts emphasize weapons less, in part because
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   there are such well-developed martial arts style devoted specifically
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   to weapons (such as kenjutsu and kyudo).

Ass-backwards statement, Mikel.  Japanese arts emphasize weapons less, 
because...because, there are Japanese arts that are devoted to weapons.

Think about it.
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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Model Muggin article in New York Times
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:10:21 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <MHIRSCH.92Nov11153604@volkl.princeton.edu> mhirsch@volkl.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:43:16 GMT, I said:
>
>   [snip]
>
>I> Usually there is more than one mugger in class.  He said he finds
>I> himself thinking "The other guy made her cry last time he attacked
>I> her and I didn't.  Maybe I'm not being men enough."  That must be
>                                         ^^^^^
>I> really bizarre.  I don't think I could handle this.
>
>Excuse me.  I did not mean to imply any macho posturing on the part of
>the mugger.  Of course that should read "not being MEAN enough."

Oh, I just thought his helmet had fallen off. Never mind ;-).

Steve
>
>It's hard to imagine how one person could be men enough anyway...

Steroids.
From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Hsing I Kung Fu
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:08:19 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Nov6.185306.3511@seas.gwu.edu> yfkimura@seas.gwu.edu (Yusuke F. Kimura) writes:
>	Also, if there's someone out there who knows what Hsing I 
>is all about, and would like to suggest other similar "soft 
>martial arts" that I could take, I would be very happy to get 
>your reply.

Hsing I (or, in Pinyin, Xingyi) is one of the 'three sister arts'
of China, all 'internal' arts. The other two are T'ai Chi Chuan
(Taijiquan) and Pa Kua Chang (Baguazhang). These arts are often
taught together, especially Bagua and Xingyi. Of the three,
Xingyi is probably the hardest style, though all three have
hard and soft aspects. Xingyi is also the most linear of the
three, preferring attacks on straighter and more direct lines
than either Bagua or Taiji.

My instructor describes the three styles as comparable to certain
natural phenomena. Xingyi is like a bolt of lighting, striking
suddenly and directly to the heart. Bagua is like a tornado,
whirling around and seizing or walloping an opponent. Taiji
is like the waves of the ocean, beautiful and deceptively
powerful, flowing around any resistance, suddenly smashing
into the opponent with tons of force.

>	I've always been interested: what's the real difference 
>between the so-called "hard" martial arts, and the "soft" ones, 
>like Hsing I or Tai Chi or even Aikido?

This is an endless debate on rec.martial-arts; however one
person characterizes the differences, someone else always
seems to disagree. I would say that in external arts the
early training emphasizes gross movements, muscular power,
and conditioning for strength and stamina, while in the
internal arts the early training emphasizes fine movement,
balance and relaxed flexibility. Practitioners of all
sorts of styles assure us that, with sufficient advancement,
the hard styles become soft and the soft styles become
hard, presumably meeting eventually somewhere in the
middle.