From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 70cm radios on airlines (was: HELP)
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:53:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: ttd.1992Apr12.155405.1
Distribution: na
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division

In article <49pn02J4c3JL00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, ikluft@uts.amdahl.com (Ian Kluft) writes:
> [Please pick a more descriptive subject than "Help".  I've modified it for
> clarity so more people will probably choose to read this thread.]
> 
> tatsuya@hamblin.math.byu.edu (& Kawasaki) N7UQJ writes:
>>I need someone can test interaction between 440Hhz and commerical
>>airline freqency.
>>Dela Airline told me that operating Ham in airplane is upto a captain

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> communication system of the aircraft on which it is to be used."  In the case
> of an airline, charter, or freight operator, the company/owner can make a
> policy about any such devices.  Most U.S. airlines have done exactly that.
 I've been told on flights on United and Southwest Airlines that they do not
> allow any radios, even to receive.  I'm glad to hear (from your message) that
> Delta still lets the PIC decide.
> 
> Note: I just looked through the FAQ on this subject and it is not correct.  It
> lists the correct FAR 91.21 but says that operation of radios is entirely pro-
> hibited on airlines.  I'll fix it before the next auto-posting on the 15th.

Before 'fixing' the FAQ, please verify that information. The FAA interpretation
of FAR 91.21 has been that "The PIC of a commercial airliner does NOT have
the authority to give that permission". This got 'beat to death' a month or
so ago in a number of newsgroups, in regard to cell phones.

  FAR 91.21 reads in part 

     (a) "Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person
 may operate, nor may any operator or pilot in command of an aircraft
 allow the operation allow the operation of any portable electronic
 device on any of the following U.S. registered civil aircraft:
	(1) Aircraft operated by an air carrier or commercial operator; or
	(2) Any other aircraft while it is operated under IFR.

    (b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to:
        (1) Portable voice recorders;
        (2) Hearing aids;
        (3) Heart pacemakers;
        (4) Electric shavers; or
        (5) Any other portable electronic device that the operator of the
            aircraft has determined will not cause interference with the
            navigation or communication system of the aircraft on which it
            is to be used.

    (c) In the case of an aircraft operated by an air carrier or commercial
operator, the determination required by paragraph (b)(5) of this section
shall be made by the air carrier or commercial operator of the aircraft on
which the particular device is to be used. In the case of other aircraft, 
the determination may be made by the pilot in command or other operator
of the aircraft.""

note: My copy is out of date, so there might have been some changes.



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From: jhays@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (John D. Hays)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:23:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Hallo Hams!
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID