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From: sdb@ssr.com (Scott Ballantyne)
Subject: Purification -- What is it?
Organization: ScotSoft Research
	<1992Aug17.203106.16532@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:13:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.203106.16532@samba.oit.unc.edu> Elizabeth.Mccoy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Elizabeth Mccoy) writes:

   >It is my understanding that when one is done with Purif, there is a
   >feeling of extreme well-being, happiness, etc. -- at that point, if the
   >person notices, sie should go and get it checked, and if a floating
   >needle accompanies a statement to the effect of "I think I'm done now!"
   >then that ends the Purif session. From the two first hand accounts I've
   >heard, both people "over-ran" and experienced great depression and
   >irritability for a few minutes until the notion occured, "You know, I
   >bet that I've over-run on this!" whereupon both broke into great gales
   >of giggles, and went and got a floating needle on the "done now"
   >statement. 

   >And that's (as far as I know) the way you tell when you're detoxified.


Any chance of someone confirming the above, like by supplying an excerpt
from an official scientology document?

While we are on the subject --- can anyone take the Purif, or do you
have to be a member of the church to do so?   What is the official
rite of passage after which one becomes a scientologist, anyway?

sdb
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: lindsay+@cs.cmu.edu (Donald Lindsay)
Subject: Re: Scientology joke
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:45:31 GMT

My Scientology Joke FAQ is a bit thin, people might like to help
with that...

--------------------------------------------------------------------
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)

In article <kn1n42INNn6s@phad.hsc.usc.edu> lfreeman@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Leny Freeman) writes:
>MOVE MOUNTAINS? HELL I'M AN OT5 AND IF I WANT TO MOVE A MOUNTAIN I'LL NEED
>A 'DOZER AND A LOT OF DYNAMITE.  I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF GOOD PERSONALLY OUT 
>OF SCIENTOLOGY, BUT IF I WANT THE EARTH TO MOVE I GRAB FOR A SHOVEL. :)


Reminds me of a joke...

There are 3 scientologists in a diner.

One is a clear, the second is OT III, and the third is OT VII.

It has been a long time since the sat down, and they are all getting hungry.
Of course, OT VII's never really get hungry, but that's another joke...

So the clear says, "I'll just get my intention in on that waitress over
there and she will just come right over here.  No doubt."

Minutes pass.

The OT III then says, "I'll show you how it's really done.  I've been 
through the Wall of Fire."

"I'll put tractor beams on her that could jerk an 18 wheeler over here."

Minutes pass.

Finally the OT VII congnized that the others had no idea what Scientology 
was all about and that he was going to have to make it go right himself.

He stood up and shouted across the restaurant, "Waitress!  Could you come
here, please?"
---

Electra@vfz.earth.com writes:

     Did you hear about the Polack on the Clearing Course?
     He As-ised his analytical mind.
 
     What do BT's (Body Thetans) have in common with Dole Pineapples?
     They were both canned in Hawaii.

     The motto of the Sea Org: 'We always come back.'
     The motto of the Guardian's Office: 'We never left.'

     I joined Scientology because I thought I was inhibited.
     I found out I was inhabited.
 
     Scientology is ABOUT jokes.  A session without laughter
     is a waste of time.
---
From: whatis@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Lupus Yonderboy)
Steve Boswell 

...here's the only Scientology joke I've ever heard.  Told to me by
the HES at the San Diego org.

A Scientologist dies and goes to Heaven, and when he gets there, an
angel tells him "God wants to see you right away."  So he goes to
where God is, and there's L. Ron Hubbard, sitting on a golden throne.
The person says "Wow!  I didn't know you were God!"  And LRH says "I'm
not, I'm just holding it from above."

("Holding from above" is the term used when a superior is doing the
job of a subordinate post.  For instance, if the Director of
Inspecions and Reports is writing an ethics order, he doesn't sign it
"Ethics Officer" or "Dir I&R", he signs it "Ethics Officer HFA".)



-- 
Don		D.C.Lindsay 	Carnegie Mellon Computer Science
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: rjfleck@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Fleck)
Subject: applied materials lawsuit in santa clara
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: alt.religion.scientology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 16:25:40 GMT

interesting article in 8/5 business section of san jose mercury news
regarding a silicon valley firm by the name of applied materials...

three former workers charge that seminars 'offered' at the company
were in fact a violation of their religious freedoms in that the
seminars were based on scientology technology and when they objected
they were forced out of the company... it is allegated that employees
work performance was discredited to prevent charges of
discrimination...

attorneys for the defense were trying to restrict any evidence concerning scientology specifically being offered by the plaintiffs... however superior court judge cliff apparently has ruled that such evidence is to be admitted provided it is restricted to "the employer's knowledge of any 'religious indoctrination in the workplace'"...



Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: rjfleck@cmn3.Stanford.EDU (R. J. Fleck)
Subject: Re: applied materials lawsuit in santa clara
Organization: CCRMA, Stanford University
Distribution: alt.religion.scientology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:22:06 GMT

In article <Bt7vrq.7Bp@ssr.com> sdb@ssr.com (Scott Ballantyne) writes:
>Unfortunately these guys are not alone --- Here's an excerpt from a
>previous article of mine:
>
>Any chance of getting the complete text of the article posted here?
>
>Thanks,
>sdb

i have a copy of the article at home and will endeavor to get it in...
does anyone offer any support to people in such situations...?


Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: gisle@ifi.uio.no (Gisle Hannemyr)
Subject: Re: Scientology joke
Organization: gisle@ifi.uio.no
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:57:54 GMT
Originator: gisle@gyda.ifi.uio.no

In article <l8qf4sINNdsu@phad.hsc.usc.edu> lfreeman@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Leny Freeman) writes:
> [L. Ron Hubbard] then got out of the boat and quickly walked across
> the water to retrieve the lost oar.
Nice story.  Among other things,  it illustrates the Messianic overtones
in Scientology.  Thanks for sharing it with us.

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From: lfreeman@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Leny Freeman)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Scientology joke
Date: 15 Aug 1992 10:19:24 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

Once there was a newspaper reporter who was constantly trying to get
'news' about L. Ron Hubbard.  He would secretly follow him everywhere.
One time he followed LRH when he went on vacation up in the mountains.

Early one morning the reporter quietly followed Ron as he took a row
boat into the middle of the lake to do some fishing.  As he waited
several minutes to get his first bite, one of the oars fell out of the
oar-lock and drifted about twenty feet away.  Ron sat there and
thought a moment and made sure no one was watching.  He then got out
of the boat and quickly walked across the water to retrieve the lost
oar.  All this time the reporter was busily making notes.

The next morning the newpaper carried the following headline:
"L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology, can not swim"

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: Elizabeth.Mccoy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Elizabeth Mccoy)
Subject: Re: Purif and Niacin (was Re: Who died?)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:31:06 GMT

In article <Bsxu8C.Hvn@ssr.com> sdb@ssr.com (Scott Ballantyne) writes:
>In article <BsstFG.2w5@cup.hp.com> decot@cup.hp.com (Dave Decot) writes:
>
>   Here are the relevant passages (including other passages relevant to
>   the basic topic discussed here) from the primary Purif reference.
>   Everyone who does the Purif is required to read this document
>   (as well as others) and is checked on their understanding of it.
>
>Well, thank you again!  This was very helpful.

>One further question: I didn't see any description of the role of the
>E-Meter. Elizabeth McCoy said that the rundown proceeds until a
>floating needle is obtained on the E-Meter? Can you confirm that?  If
>not, how do you know when detox has been completed? Is it a set period
>of time, or what is it?


[Hullo -- I've finally worked up the energy to come back... Wish that
the expiration <sp!> wasn't so fast on this machine. :-( ]

Well, I don't have the exact stuff on Purif, but I might as well let the
whole Net know how falible I am in the details. :-)

It is my understanding that when one is done with Purif, there is a
feeling of extreme well-being, happiness, etc. -- at that point, if the
person notices, sie should go and get it checked, and if a floating
needle accompanies a statement to the effect of "I think I'm done now!"
then that ends the Purif session. From the two first hand accounts I've
heard, both people "over-ran" and experienced great depression and
irritability for a few minutes until the notion occured, "You know, I
bet that I've over-run on this!" whereupon both broke into great gales
of giggles, and went and got a floating needle on the "done now"
statement. 

And that's (as far as I know) the way you tell when you're detoxified.

--EM, erratic as I am at reading this group. *sigh*
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: Elizabeth.Mccoy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Elizabeth Mccoy)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Scientology joke
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:10:21 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <Bt357v.FrF.2@cs.cmu.edu> lindsay+@cs.cmu.edu (Donald Lindsay) writes:
>My Scientology Joke FAQ is a bit thin, people might like to help
>with that...

>Steve Boswell 
>
>...here's the only Scientology joke I've ever heard.  Told to me by
>the HES at the San Diego org.
>
>A Scientologist dies and goes to Heaven, and when he gets there, an
>angel tells him "God wants to see you right away."  So he goes to
>where God is, and there's L. Ron Hubbard, sitting on a golden throne.
>The person says "Wow!  I didn't know you were God!"  And LRH says "I'm
>not, I'm just holding it from above."
>
>("Holding from above" is the term used when a superior is doing the
>job of a subordinate post.  For instance, if the Director of
>Inspecions and Reports is writing an ethics order, he doesn't sign it
>"Ethics Officer" or "Dir I&R", he signs it "Ethics Officer HFA".)


Varient bopping around the Austin Org. LRH then says, "I had to send God
to cramming."

[Cramming: where it's found that an org is doing something wrong, and
gets subjected to intense re-training on that subject. ]

--EM, quoting her mom.
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From: Elizabeth.Mccoy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Elizabeth Mccoy)
Subject: Re: Scientology joke
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:04:44 GMT

ROTFL! 

Thank you! Is good, is good!

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From: jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic)
Subject: Re: Narconon -- bi-monthly update
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Club, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 13:55:25 GMT

gisle@ifi.uio.no (Gisle Hannemyr) writes:

>In the spring this year, we had a huge debate in this newsgroup about
>the Scientlogy-based drug rehabilitation program run by Narconon.
>Among the specific claims made by Scientologist John Holifield was:

>1) That Narconon was the official state-run program for drug
>   rehabilitation in several European countries.
                              ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

Interesting. Here in Sweden the Narconon humanoids often make 
similar claims, only that they refer to studies and rehabilitation 
programs done in the U.S. 

[Rest of the interesting posting deleted to save bandwidth]

>I'll leave you with this saying:

>   "You have every right to ask questions about this statistic.
>    But don't you think it is wonderful that we may - just may - be
>    able to help 76% of the drug addicts?  Why do you fight that?"

>         (from a personal e-mail received at beginning of this thread)

Hallelujah! L. Ron Hubbard died for our sins.

A religion making money out of unsubstantiated claims, 
fooling the gullible and exploiting the weak.

Well, nothing is new under the sun...


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From: sdb@ssr.com (Scott Ballantyne)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: applied materials lawsuit in santa clara
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:09:25 GMT
Distribution: alt.religion.scientology
Organization: ScotSoft Research

In article <1992Aug18.162540.12241@leland.Stanford.EDU> rjfleck@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Fleck) writes:

   interesting article in 8/5 business section of san jose mercury news
   regarding a silicon valley firm by the name of applied materials...

   three former workers charge that seminars 'offered' at the company
   were in fact a violation of their religious freedoms in that the
   seminars were based on scientology technology and when they objected
   they were forced out of the company... it is allegated that employees
   work performance was discredited to prevent charges of
   discrimination...

Unfortunately these guys are not alone --- Here's an excerpt from a
previous article of mine:

>Check out the Minneaplois Star Tribune, 3/30/90. Basically, the
>Minnesota Department of Human Rights ruled against the chiros saying
>that the former employees were exposed to Scientology materials and
>teaching at work to the point where it became a condition of their
>employment. The principal owner of the practice was one Leonard Abel,
>and the investigator of record was Cindy Greenlaw Benton.

Same thing - when these guys objected, they were fired by their
Scientology employers.  Hmmm, I think I smell a FAQ here (Don, you
listening?).

Any chance of getting the complete text of the article posted here?

Thanks,
sdb
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: Elizabeth.Mccoy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Elizabeth Mccoy)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Purif Summary (Comments Requested)
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:01:21 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <Bt0Gqq.oz@ssr.com> sdb@ssr.com (Scott Ballantyne) writes:
>Ok, here is the first (and final?) draft on the Purification Rundown.
>Anyone reading this who has read the documents or participated in the
>procedure and has some disagreement with something here, or feels that
>something has been left out, please comment here or send me mail.
>You'll have a better chance of getting something changed if you can
>cite scripture (or tech, or whatever you call it) and get the other
>SCN's to agree. Critics, please wait until we can find out exactly
>what the Scientologists believe before criticizing (unless you feel I
>have misrepresented their position). PLEASE NOTE: I DO NOT AGREE WITH
>WHAT FOLLOWS, AND DEFINITELY DO NOT ENDORSE IT.
>
>sdb
>-------Purification Rundown------------
>
>PURPOSE
>------
>Hubbard claimed that drugs (both medical and 'street'), 'chemical
>poisons, toxins, preservatives, pesticides' etc. are locked up
>primarily in the 'fat tissue' of the body.

Back when I was pre-vet, I took an Anatomy and Physiology <sp?> class at
Austin Community College. One of the things that I learned in that class
(which delighted me greatly), was that drugs, esp. LSD, are stored in
body fat, and that subsequent dieting can cause an LSD trip when those
areas of fat are accessed.

The reason for my delight at learning this is that it validated the CoS
stance, at least on LSD.

>RUNNING OUTDOORS (why only outdoors?) increases circulation, carries 

Running indoors is boring, probably? Interacting with outdoors (walking,
running, etc.) is supposed to be good for curing cases of the "blahs." 

--EM

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Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: afallen@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington)
Subject: Re: Hello out there
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: 1st Kentucky Cavalry Co. C
Date: 17 Aug 1992 09:08 EST  

In article <1992Aug15.060501.13607@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, buckley@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BUCKLEY  CHARLES RAY) writes...
>This newsgroups seems a little dead right now.
> 
>I wonder how many people on the newsgroup is familiar with the naming
>of the Summersville dam in WV. It is a policy of the government to name
>dams after the nearest town whether or not that town is incorporated. An
>example is the Hoover dam which, on federal reports, is listed as the Boulder dam. There is one major exception to this policy. That is the Summersville dam.
>Summersville is actually about 10 miles away. The nearest town is called Gad.
>I guess they didn't want a bunch of people asking where the Gad dam was.
> 
>Charles Buckley
I could be wrong on this, but I thought that Gad was near the Bluestone dam 
(and that the dam and lake were named Bluestone as opposed to Gad - either 
way, its a good story).  BTW, Bluestone dam is also in southern W.Va.

E. Allen Arrington  
        Trooper, 1st Kentucky Cavalry, Co. C 
        Mounted Memorial Unit                 
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
Subject: s.c.u.a
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:17:27 GMT

Okay, mea culpa time... I was foolish to run a CFV in the dog days of
summer.  It was dumb.  I was overly enthusiastic.  Argh.

Next January, watch out!
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: morrison@mistered.rtp.dg.com (Linda Morrison)
Subject: Re: Weather in December
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:44:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC
Keywords: weather mountains smokeys

In article <6050@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>, rcj@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (R.C. Jones) writes:
|> What is the weather like in north western North Carolina in December/Jan?
|> 
|> Will we be able to travel thru the smokies?
|> 
|> I have read stories of trudging thru snow drifts etc..
|> 
|> We are planning a trip after Christmas but don't want to find
|> that we can't get around. I have a Ford Ranger two wheel drive (rear)
|> and chains. Can I expect to have to use chains?
|> 
|> Thanks for any and all reply's.
|> 
|> Lookin for a place to settle.
|> -- 
|>         |______________________________________________________________| 
|> ||||||||| Dik Jones, Advanced Systems        Internet: rcj@Chevron.com |
|>         | Chevron Oil Field Research Co.           Tel: (310) 694-7056 | 
|>         | La Habra, California 90633-0446          Fax: (310) 694-7063 |  

Well, it hasn't snowed much in western NC in the past couple of years.
However, if you do run into snow it is normally cleared from the
primary roads in a day or two.  The park service does occasionally
close US411 (one of the main routes through the Smokies) but again
it usually doesn't remain closed for more than a couple of days.

So what's the bottom line?  You may run into snow in December & January.
The roads will be catagorized as "passable" or "passable with chains".
If you need chains, I would recommend putting something heavy in the
bed of your truck.  We usually throw in some bags of sand or concrete.
Anything to keep the backend from dancing.  If it were not possible to
travel in the winter in a pickup truck, most of western NC and upper 
East Tennessee would come to a dead halt in winter!  Definately bring
your chains, but in all probablity you won't have to use them.

This posting is making me miss the snow!  I moved to Raleigh 4 years
ago from upper East Tenn. and I haven't seen snow since the move.  I'm
not sure I even remember how to engage the 4 wheel drive on the Bronco.

Anyway, have fun on your trip!

Linda Morrison                  morrison@dg-rtp.dg.com
Data General Corporation
RTP, NC

Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: alt.appalachian
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:05:02 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu writes:

>The results of the CFV on soc.culture.usa.appalachian were that the proposed
>newsgroup failed to get enough votes.  It was 104 yes, 44 no.................

..... If we wait six months, we can try again on getting a mainstream newsgroup.
>Not that we necessarily WILL, but for those of you who're wondering what the
>rules are, we've got to wait at least six months.

Next time, try it during the middle of the semester.
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From: FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
Subject: Hi!
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:48:42 GMT

It's a little slow in this group right now, probably because a lot of places
are in the interval between summer and fall semesters.  When September comes,
I'm sure this place will pick up... or, if soc.culture.usa.appalachian passes,
we'll pick things up there.  (Today is the last day to vote, by the way,
whichever side you're on.)

How are things out there in Appalachia?

I'm curious how your local congressional races are going.   Is anyone's
Congressman getting a tougher race this time around?