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From: brossard@siisun.epfl.ch (Alain Brossard EPFL-SIC/SII)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Sparc 10's are 10BASE-T
Date: 20 Nov 92 09:18:44 GMT
Reply-To: brossard@sic.epfl.ch
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1992Nov19.211710.18256@ntmtv>, harthc@ntmtv.UUCP (Howard Hart) writes:
|> In article <jstewart.722147880@cunews>, jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart) writes:
|> |> In <1992Nov19.003959.6608@news2.cis.umn.edu> pete@lynx.spa.umn.edu (Pete Thurmes) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> >A word of caution when ordering a Sparcstation 10:
|> |> 
|> |> >Sun is now shipping the Sparc 10's, but when I received mine I found out
|> |> 
|> |> I was overjoyed to see that the Sparc 10 has a 10Base-T port.  We only
|> |> provide 10Base-T connections to our campus ethernet so this actually
|> |> saves us the cost of a 10Base-T transceiver.
|> |> 
|> |> Sun should be congradulated for this far sighted decision.
|> 
|> Congratulations are only in order when the vendor forewarns you. Sun
|> didn't and as far as I know still doesn't tell any customers about
|> the 10Base-T only connection (unless you specifically ask them). 

   Let's not generalize, it might be that YOUR vendor is incompetent
or careless, it doesn't mean that Sun in general failed to warn
its customers.  Or it could be that since it is clearly written in the glossy
they thought you were old enough to check or whatever.

   In our case, we were warned multiple times and Sun made sure that
I would check every command coming out of our institution for
correct ethernet connection and correct keyboard (type 5 Unix or
Swiss French).

    Quoting from the Sparc 10 Specifications sheet (glossy brochure):

Standard Interfaces
Ethernet		10 MB/sec. twisted pair standard (10BaseT)
			AUI available with opitonal adapter cable

    Sounds pretty clear to me.
-- 

Alain Brossard, Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne,
	SIC/SII, EL-Ecublens, CH-1015 Lausanne, Suisse, +41 21 693-2211
brossard@sic.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: stripes@pix.com (Josh Osborne)
Subject: Re: SPARCClassic (and other Sun announcments)
Organization: Pix Technologies -- The company with no adult supervision
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:36:45 GMT

In article <15455@auspex-gw.auspex.com> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:
[...]
>>                 SPARCclassic          SS2 
>>
>>SPECint92        26.4                  21.8
>>SPECfp92         21.0                  22.8
>>MIPS             59.1                  28.5
>
>Hmm.  One more reason to call it "Meaningless Indicator of Processor
>Speed"?  I'm curious what those "MIPS" numbers are, given how much they
>differ when the SPEC numbers don't differ nearly so much - Dhrystone
>MIPS?

I am fairly sure they are Dhrystones.  My guess is that the cache on the clasic
is either larger or smarter then the SS2...    or the compiler got alot smarter
and the SS2 numbers are old...
[...]
-- 
           stripes@pix.com              "Security for Unix is like
      Josh_Osborne@Real_World,The          Multitasking for MS-DOS"
      "The dyslexic porgramer"                  - Kevin Lockwood
We all agree on the necessity of compromise.  We just can't agree on
when it's necessary to compromise.       - Larry Wall
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: Jeffrey C Honig <jch@nr-tech.cit.cornell.edu>
Subject: FSBE/S experiences?
Nntp-Posting-User: @cornell.edu
Organization: Information Technologies/Network Resources; Cornell University;
	Ithaca, NY USA
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:07:13 GMT

Can anyone with a Sun S-bus Fast SCSI-2/Buffered Ethernet Card comment
on it?  We would be using with with SCSI-1 devices (HP 97548 793M
disks), I've read about the problems with SCSI-2 devices, but we don't
have any yet.  Is the Ethernet performance noticably better than the
SBus Ethernet controller?  Does it create an le device or some other
name?

Our S-bus SCSI Host Adapter died and the repair is basically to buy a
new one.  Buying an FSBE/S is only a couple of hundred dollars more.

Thanks!

Jeff
From: cs65x2@sdcc8.ucsd.edu (Jerry Swartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Flickering Sun color 16" Trinitron - any idea what's wrong?
Summary: Got a problem with monitor.
Keywords: 16" Trinitron Flickering
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:21:48 GMT
Followup-To: cs62a12@wind.ucsd.edu
Organization: University of California, San Diego

NOTE:  I'm posting this for a friend who does not have USENET access.
	   Please reply directly to cs62a12@wind.ucsd.edu.  Thanks.


Sun Hardware Gurus:

I have a standard Sun 16 inch color Sony Trinitron monitor attached to
an IPC.  This monitor has a problem.

When the screen is blank (via xlock -blank or screenblank), a strange
green (and more recently, blue) flickering electronic haze is visible
on the screen.  This haze is very noticible in a darkened room and less
so in a lit room.  The haze is still barely visible when the screen is
not blank and is used in a darkened room.  I have checked a bunch of
other monitors of the same type and have none of them exhibited this
behavior.  The haze covers the whole screen, and does not appear to be
digital in nature - I'm convinced that it's an analog element somewhere
that is causing trouble.

The behavior was off and on a few months ago so I hoped it would go
away, but more recently, the haze appears constantly.  It doesn't
eliminate the use of the monitor, but if it is used in a darkened room,
the flickering brightness changes are irritating.

So, does anyone have any idea what's causing this behavior?  I've tried
isolating it from the other computer equipment thinking it might be a
stray magnetic field, but this had no effect.  I also tried running it
off another electrical circuit, thinking that it might be getting bad
electricity; this also had no effect.

If you have any ideas what might be causing this behavior and how I can
get it repaired, any and all advice is appreciated.  Anybody know
of a good monitor repair shop in the San Diego area?  Unfortunately,
the monitor is no longer under warranty.

Thanks,
mark


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: UK phone number for Maynard?
Organization: City University, London
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:26:56 GMT

I need the UK contact number of Maynard, makers of the
Archive Viper tapestreamer. Or at least which town they
are in - directories enquiries cannot search without a
town name!

--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
From: gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley)
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: 1 GB 3.5" SCSI disks
Reply-To: gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley Gibson)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:28:25 GMT

In article <1ec0usINNhir@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> edguer@ces.cwru.edu (Aydin Edguer) writes:

>DISK LIST:
>
>DEC             HP              Seagate         Micropolis      IBM
>DSP3105         C2247           ST11200N        2112            0663 model E12

>250,000MTBF     300,000MTBF     300,000MTBF     200,000MTBF     500,000MTBF
>264bit ECC      ??bit ECC       ??bit ECC       64bit ECC       ??bit ECC

My spec shows the ST11200N with a 200,000 hour MTBF and 96bit ECC
>
>Maxtor          Fujitsu
>MXT1240S        2694S
>Fast SCSI-2     Fast SCSI-2
>6300RPM         4400RPM
>300,000MTBF     300,000MTBF
>1.05GB          1.08GB

The MXT1240 is 1.24GB formatted.

Most of these devices offer on-board active termination. This is
important if you are going to use the Fast-SCSI data rate. On
another topic note that some of these new drives have abandoned the use of
internal shock mounts.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Sparc 10's are 10BASE-T
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 13:57:05 GMT

harthc@ntmtv.UUCP (Howard Hart) writes:

>In article <jstewart.722147880@cunews>, jstewart@alfred.carleton.ca (John Stewart) writes:

>|> I was overjoyed to see that the Sparc 10 has a 10Base-T port.  We only
>|> provide 10Base-T connections to our campus ethernet so this actually
>|> saves us the cost of a 10Base-T transceiver.

>|> Sun should be congradulated for this far sighted decision.

>Congratulations are only in order when the vendor forewarns you. Sun
>didn't . . .

All the initial product announcements for this box pointed it out, and
there was a fair amount of debate in this space about it at announcement
time.

On the whole, I approve.  10baseT is the modern wave.  If somebody has
to pay extra, it should be those sticking to the older technology.  As
for AUI cables and connections, their death will be the finest thing
that ever happened to ethernet.
-- 
 "When Dexter's on the Internet, can Hell be far behind?"
		-- Steve Simmons, scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us
From: skids@auratek.UUCP (Brian Skidmore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: NTSC VIDEO-OUT FROM SUN SYSTEMS....
Keywords: video NTSC SPARC VHS
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:14:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Aurora Technologies, Inc.; Cambridge, Mass.




Hello,

We're looking for suggestions in how to get standard NTSC video-out from
a SBus SPARC system. Our goal is to capture, on standard VHS, both still 
and moving images of openlook applications running on the SPARC. 

Any suggestions would be helpful. I will summarize and post responses.

Thanks in advance!!

Brian Skidmore

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176 Second Ave
Waltham, MA 02154

(617)290-4800 tel		Intelligent Products for SPARC Workstations 
(617)290-4844 fax
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From: toomajia@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Mark Toomajian)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:19:40 GMT
Subject: Sun CDROM on HP 750 Workstation
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware


Does anyone know if a Sun CDROM will work on an HP 750 workstation? 
Are all CDROMs alike?
Will it work with a standard HP CDROM driver?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Sparc 10's are 10BASE-T
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:11:04 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1992Nov20.140407.8507@ccd.harris.com> cone@controls.ccd.harris.com (Tom Cone) writes:
>SUN must have figured out a way to get more money from us. Oh ofcourse
>we support AUI. Then later you find out you have to pay more to do it.
>It must be cheaper(I know it is) for them to build...

"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."

I haven't seen the Sparc 10 hardware, but most any modern system designer
will try hard to get the guts of the system onto a single board, and this
makes board-edge space very precious.  That AUI connector plus slide lock
is big, and if you figure that most of your (big) customers are going to
be using 10BaseT like sensible people (it really is the *right* way to
Ethernet individual offices and workstations, except in special cases),
then it makes sense to banish the AUI connection off the edge and require
an extra cable to bring it out.

The stupidity comes in when you neglect to tell people about it.
-- 
MS-DOS is the OS/360 of the 1980s.      | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
              -Hal W. Hardenbergh (1985)|  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: How does the new 2000+MIP Sun server compare against a Cray/XMP?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 11:18:43 -0000
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn
NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1e0mq4INNil7@armory.centerline.com> matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) writes:
>Yeah, I was pretty surprised when I read the fine print of the announcement
>and found that the 20-processor version of the SparcCenter-2000 was slated
>for delivery "2H93".  In other words, Sun preannounced the high-end of the 
>product line something like a year in advance.  

Compared to the delivery date you'd probably get from Cray,
I think Sun would still win out.

The April date is for general availability.
There is an "Early Bird" program (ie get the bugs out) starting
late December/early January.

We're having two 8 proccessor boxes as part of this.

>Gee, I used to work for a company whose hardware division did that with 
>its new products (long before the products actually existed -- I wonder 
>how many processors they've got working in the biggest *existing* version
>of the SparcCenter-2000).  

I've heard that it's definately reached beyond 8 processors and worked.
I must admit though, I don't know how much credence to place on
"working in the lab" statements.

Cheers,
-- 
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@c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson  watching.
From: co@fy.chalmers.se (Christer Olsson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Problem with Exabyte 8500 on SUN SLC and IPC
Keywords: exabyte
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:46:20 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden


Our new Exabyte 8500 didn't work properly on our suns. We get a errormessage
like 'Now at 4.0 Mb syncronous " for every block we reads from the tapeunit. 
The message indicates SCSI-bus resets I think. I've borrowed an old Exabyte
8200 from a Vaxstation II/GPX and it works perfectly. 

I've talked with the vendor, but they don't know anything about this problem.

I've tried with some different terminators without success. If I hooks the
8500 to the Vaxstation, the 8500 works fine and I can't see any problems
using it on the old slow Vaxstation. 

Somebody told me that we maybe need change some setups and configurations
for the SunOS kernel. Anybody knows more? Please mail me with some hints...

The suns we tried is SLC and IPC. The revision of SunOS is 4.1.2 and the 
Exabyte is from 920330 and should have the latest revision of eeprom-software.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: zagar@chester.cms.udel.edu (Randy Zagar)
Subject: SPARCstation-1+ SCSI Problems
Reply-To: zagar@chester.cms.udel.edu
Organization: Marine Studies, University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:28:14 GMT


Okay, I'm sure many of you have had this type of problem before...

You know, where you have two vendors pointing at each other and
saying "It's not *our* problem !!  They're equipment is at fault."

Here's the scenario:

    Sun SPARCstation-1+
    Internal 105 MB SCSI drive (Sun supplied)
    Two WREN SCSI drives in a Parity cabinet.
    Sun CDROM

We've been having problems getting 4.1.2 to install successfully on the
various drives (yes, we've tried more than one).

Sun says it's the Parity box, and Parity says that

	Sun's SCSI is non-standard and that it'll only
	handle very short SCSI cable lengths. Preferably
	less than 8 feet total.

Any comments on that statement ?  I, personally, think that
Parity is feeding us a line but I can't be certain of that.



Please respond by e-mail as I don't regularly follow this group...

Thanks,

    Randy

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: dlt@pt.com (Don Turrell)
Subject: Re: SBus product list
Organization: Performance Technologies, Incorporated
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:44:45 GMT

In article <Ef0c5PO00WCSNgLFcs@andrew.cmu.edu> db74+@andrew.cmu.edu (Derrick J. Brashear) writes:
>Does anyone have a similar list of available VME-bus products?
>


VITA (VMEbus International Trade Association) publishes the 
VMEbus Product Directory.  They can be reached at phone 602-951-8866
(this is in Scottsdale, Arizona)

Don Turrell
Performance Technologies, Inc.
315 Science Pkwy, Rochester, New York 14620 USA
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: shj@ultra.com (Steve Jay {Ultra Unix SW Mgr})
Subject: Re: SOLARIS question
Keywords: Sparc LX
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:30:12 GMT

pcp2g@karma.astro.Virginia.EDU (Gilligan) writes:

>So: can I install the old (OS 4.1) operating system on the new 
>Sparc LX?

No.  Solaris 2.1 only.  Ditto for the Classic.

Steve Jay
shj@ultra.com  ...ames!ultra!shj
Ultra Network Technologies / 101 Dagget Drive / San Jose, CA 95134 / USA
(408) 922-0100 x130	"Home of the 1 Gigabit/Second network"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: winter@sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Derek Winter)
Subject: SPARCstation 10 Graphics Options
Organization: CenSIS at University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:20:54 GMT

Hello All,

					Investigating the options available for the SPARC 10 series, there are 4
different Graphics Accelerator chips which can be used. In the advertising
these are outlined as shown below, BUT this does not mean a great deal to me.
Could some one please explain what the asterisked (*) terms mean, and what
practical significance they have? i.e. what real benefits are there from moving
from GX -> GXPlus -> GS -> GT?

					Thanks for your help.
 
Here are the options... 

                GX      8bit 2D/3D wireframe(*)
                        1152x900 resolution
                
																GXPlus  8bit 2D/3D wireframe
                        1280x1024 resolution
                        hardware double buffering(*)

                GS      24bit 3D solids(*)
                        1152x900 resolution
                        double buffering
                        Z-buffer(*)
                        Gouraud shading(*)
                        Depth cueing(*)

                GT      24bit 3D solids
                        1280x1024 resolution
                        double buffering
                        Z-buffer
                        Gouraud shading
                        Depth cueing
                        Transparency(*)
                        Anti-aliasing(*)
                        Overlays(*)

												Thanks for your help.

													Regards,
																Derek.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
From: alh@einoed.in-berlin.de (Adrian Le Hanne)
Subject: Re: Is Sparc out of Gas?
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:25:50 GMT

ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes:

>lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph) writes:

>>Alpha          - best hype ever :-)

>>Especially as Alpha may be an instant loser if DEC does not get
>>their things together *real* soon.

>What are possible scenarios on Alpha?

>The best scenario I can imagine (from DECs point of view) is where
>their low-end (roughly SS10 prices, 2x the SS10 performance) attracts
>a lot of buyers, and they are indeed able to ship such volume.  Is
>such a scenario likely?

I would assume that the potentional buyer is more attracted by HP 9000,
SS10/30 and IBM's RS6000 products, since there are already applications
available. The DEC Alpha workstations are placed in the technical market
and will probably not sell to management or as database server etc.

Probably DEC will sell more OpenVMS systems with an Alpha cpu first, since
the existing VMS customers demand faster (and cheaper) systems. (Is VMS
available on the stations?)

Hmm, i wonder what happens when a customer opens a running DEC AXP 10000.
Will he get microwaved instantly? ;-)


Adrian
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From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: SPARCPrint from Apple
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:37:00 GMT
Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout

In article <1992Nov12.220327.1477@bmw.mayo.edu> Kall@Mayo.EDU writes:
<Can you connect an Apple computer to a Sun
<SPARCprinter using a serial line and use the
<SPARCprinter to print from the apple.

No.  The SPARCprinter uses a special video interface that connects to a SBUS
card in the SPARCstation.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: problem with a ex-sun scsi disk now on a pc
Organization: CIRES, University of Colorado
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:23:31


We had, until recently, a hard disk on our Sun which was about 150
Mbytes. Then we took it off the Sun (got a 1.2 GB drive instead :) and
now my boss would like to hook it up to his 486 machine, for which he
just bought a scsi card. But he's having problems. The disk formatted
OK and the disk test routine provided by the scsi board company
reveals no problems and yet when he tries to do disk operations it
sometimes hangs the system.

Can anyone shed some light on the subject? For more details, here's
the message he sent me about this:

...seems to think that the problems I've having with the disk
(it hangs randomly, crashing system) is due to Sun not conforming to
some scsi standards. 

The unit is:  EMULEX MD21/S2 ESDI A00.  The things
that might be wrong:
  1) motor startup power must be enabled
  2) terminal power must come from device not bus
  3) disk is formatted with 1024 byte sectors, must be 512 byte sectors
Hoop doesn't believe #3, says all unix disks have 512 byte sectors, but
says he could be wrong.

I talked to our sevice guy, who used the service this disk while it
was on the sun, and he gave me a breif verbal description of the
meansing of the bank of dip swithes on the thing. The only thing that
sounded useful was that switch 5 controlled the data rate somehow, and
switch 8 was for parity. I never heard of parity checks for data
coming from a dask, but I guess it sounds reasonable. It's off now. 

If anyone could shed any light on this, I would be most appreciative.
The SCSI card is Allways Technology IN-2000. The PC is a generic 33
MHz 486.
--
Edward Hartnett			ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu