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From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.hindu
Subject: Hinduism and the Code of Manu
Date: 27 Dec 92 00:33:31 GMT
Organization: Univ of Cincinnati
Originator: editor@rbhatnagar


                 HINDUISM  and THE CODE OF MANU (Manusmruti)
                 ===========================================

     The Code of Manu or Manusmruti advocates (or rather laid down)

    (1) provisions for Brahmans to marry four times.

    (2) Varna (or caste system) - made it more compulsive

    (3) restricted freedom of women

    (4) advocated sati.

    These are what I read and heard [1]. I admit that I have incomplete
    knowledge and would stand corrected - if I am supplied with proper
    information(s). If, relying entirely on memory, I remember the Mahabharata
    correctly, reference to the Code of Manu is made by Bhisma while explaining
    some societal norms to Yudhistira. 

        It would thus be interesting to note:

    (1) When (approximately) did Maharshi Manu exist ? Are there any good
        guestimates ?

    (2) Why did he lay down such a code ?

    (3) In general, can one conclude that the society of Mahabharata be
        defined as that modeled according to the code of Manu ?

    (4) Why did the ancient Hindu rulers, like Vikramaditya, did not
        enforce the Code of Manu strictly ?

    (5) Did Manu prohibit remarriage of widows ? (Iswarchandra Vidyasagar
        instituted the re-marriage of widows. Was this against Manu ?)

   I am asking these questions, because it is important to know as much
   information as possible. Over the generations, different editors have
   added/ subtracted/ modified as suitable the Hindu religious texts and
   scriptures. (With an exception of the Mahabharata ?). Thus, one is at
   a loss to claim anything if he/she is so unfortunate to have access to
   a single source - like me. I would thus request a detailed discussion
   on this, possibly referring to some multiple sources - with the general
   consensus on their authenticity.


       - AVE MARIA, and a HAPPY NEW YEAR,

                 deb chatterjee
              (a good samaritan)
           

                     References
                   ==============

  [1] Bishnukanto Shastri, " Manusmriti " (in Bengali), Shahitya Parishad
      Prakashani (Press), Calcutta, 1980 (?)
From: dave@intercon.com (Dave Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: Pickle
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:10:49 GMT
Reply-To: dave@intercon.com (Dave Saunders)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
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X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1b32

In article <C0EAvo.AJt@newcastle.ac.uk>, N.C.Thomas@newcastle.ac.uk (N C 
Thomas) writes:
> Having thought long and hard about the unpopularity of dill pickle in 
> McBurgers a question has been bugging me. 
> 
> 	Was Ray Krok associated in any way with the American 
> 	Dill Pickle Growers Association, and is this the 
> 	only reason why dill pickle persists to this day despite 
> 	*worldwide* protest at messy pickle removals with every 
> 	burger? 
> 
> 	Or is the answer more sinister, for example blackmail by 
> 	the dill pickle mafia. After all why do you think 
> 	Pizza Hut and Domino's are bound by rules to include 
> 	olives from Sicily as a pizza topping. They'll be on 
> 	the McPizza next now that dill pickle has established 
> 	itself through foul play. 

Or perhaps the unpopularity of the pickle is just something that pickle 
haters ethnocentrically assume.

Hmmmmm...




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Dave Saunders <dave@intercon.com>
InterCon Systems Corporation
"Standards-based networking for a standards-based world"
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Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: xxkathy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Kathy Naugle)
Subject: Re: McDonalds in Norway
Followup-To: alt.mcdonalds
Organization: NASA - LeRC, Computer Services Division
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:17:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.195808.11419@hsr.no>, vagle@hsr.no (Laban Seigemann)
wrote:
> 

>> The prices in Norway has just got lower, and I love it.
> But I want some of this McNuggets and Chicken burger
> stuff I've heard of. There are no chicken in norwegian McD.
> so tell me what chicken stuff is available eslewhere.
> 
> By the way, is fish served in McD,s in other countries ?
> And what would you americans said if we in norway had whale
> meat on our burgers ?
>

Whale meat - hm - I don't know.  But I do know about McNuggets.  
In my opinion, they are gross.  They're made up of chicken alright
but it's chicken pieces/parts...a real mystery meat. They are 
served with different sauces you can dip them in.  I haven't had
them in so long I forget all the sauces but there is barbecue sauce
and honey mustard.  If you have to eat a McNugget - that's about the
only way to get em down - all covered with sauce.  Oh, I forget to mention
about the grease dripping off them..aarrgghh.  

About the chicken sandwich - after the McNuggets I was afraid to try it.
However, it LOOKS like it's made up of the same stuff.  

Kathy Naugle



From: dma3@po.CWRU.Edu (Dianne M. Angeloff)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: McVeggie Burger
Date: 6 Jan 93 03:05:17 GMT
Reply-To: dma3@po.CWRU.Edu (Dianne M. Angeloff)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, kilroy@orac.holonet.net (Robert A. Miroballi) says:

>wiles@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>
>>Any news on what the new McVeggie burger tastes like and when/where it will be
>>marketed in the states?
>
>The last I heard from someone in the Corporation, was that is just a test
>market and there are no plans currently to market it here.
>
>Bogus, Huh?  I wouldn't mind seeing it here.
>
>McKilroy (RobM.)
>
Well, I think we ought to raise some hell about this.  McD's is always
trying to deprive us of the yummy items other countries get to
test-market.  Test-market, my ass.  Let's have some veggie burger now!
-- 
"Great wheezing whangdoodles!"  --W. Wonka
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: kilroy@orac.holonet.net (Robert A. Miroballi)
Subject: Re: McVeggie Burger
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:35:54 GMT

wiles@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>Any news on what the new McVeggie burger tastes like and when/where it will be
>marketed in the states?

The last I heard from someone in the Corporation, was that is just a test
market and there are no plans currently to market it here.

Bogus, Huh?  I wouldn't mind seeing it here.

McKilroy (RobM.)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:26:10 EST
From: <TAM131@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: RE: McDonalds in Norway

Why would you want to have Whale burgers?  The people at Greenpeace would
only harass you to death if you put whale on the menu.  Now do you really
want that?  I don't think so.

White Knight
"Who would send a probe millions of miles to talk to a whale?"
Leonard McCoy - Star Trek III
From: ICSCAB@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: quality of food & service
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:30:22 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

Anyone noticed how the quality of food and service at the McDonald's on
Rural just north of Apache has deteriorated to the standards of the MU
McDonald's store?  The owner of the MU franchise just bought the Rural
Rd. store from Corporation.  I wrote to Corporation about the
severe decline in quality of food and service, with a copy to the store
owner.  She informed me on my next visit to her store that it would do
NO good to complain to Corporation and that she would prefer that I
shop elsewhere for my lunch/dinner/whatever.
From: vagle@hsr.no (Laban Seigemann)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: McDonalds in Norway
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:58:08 GMT
Organization: Rogaland University Centre

Ok, I love McDonalds food.

The prices in Norway has just got lower, and I love it.
But I want some of this McNuggets and Chicken burger
stuff I've heard of. There are no chicken in norwegian McD.
so tell me what chicken stuff is available eslewhere.

By the way, is fish served in McD,s in other countries ?
And what would you americans said if we in norway had whale
meat on our burgers ?

Gotta go,(to McDonalds).
-- 
 Lars Vagle.  E-mail: vagle@hsr.no  Phone: +47-4-874220
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: Pickle
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:50:02 GMT
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization

Dave Saunders writes:
<N.C. Thomas' completely ungrounded whining about pickles deleted>
>Or perhaps the unpopularity of the pickle is just something that
pickle
>haters ethnocentrically assume.

Hear, hear.  I mean, even my husband, who never simply takes a jar of
pickles from the refrigerator, not even to eat a single one, let alone
the five or six that anyone of reasonable taste normally eats as an
afternoon snack... not even he has ever thought of removing those
green slices of heaven that come on a McDonald's burger.  

I think Mr. Thomas is biased.

(;-))

-Cindy *burp* Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: O-14@sarpih.no (Student Fellesbruker)
Subject: Norwegian Mc-food
Organization: stfold Ingenirhyskole
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:38:48 GMT

   It name is McLaks and It is a fish burger. The fish is from Norway.
    It is very delisious.
    If it is avilable,just tast it!
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Horse's meat
Organization: The World
	<92365.152021U30633@uicvm.uic.edu>
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 07:16:32 GMT


Well, they'd be in good company. The Harvard Faculty Club has served
horse meat steak for many years. The story I heard was that during
WWII when they couldn't get beef someone suggested they try horse
which wasn't rationed and, hey, not too bad, and it's stayed on the
menu (to this day? I haven't been there in years.)


-- 
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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Fast Food restaurants
Date: 9 Jan 1993 21:33:58 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


 I understand some fast food restaurants are franchises while others
are company stores.  What is the average ratio of company stores to
franchises for fast food establishments?  What benefits do company
stores get over franchises?  Is it true that franchises usually make
thier policies and and only go by the bare minimum standards the company
gives them, while company stores must go by all policies.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: fox@cs.mcgill.ca (Colin BRADLEY)
Subject: Re: McDonalds in Norway
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:21:18 GMT

In article <xxkathy-120193112025@eds-mac-iici-1.lerc.nasa.gov> xxkathy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Kathy Naugle) writes:

[Stuff deleted]

>
>Kathy Naugle
>
>
>

McNuggets in the States have always tasted like shit - they remind me of the
flavour of chicken wieners...Ie lots of unidentified filler....

Here in Canada, the McNuggets are of significantly higher quality....

Discussion Topic: If your McMeal consists of say, a drink, some fries, 
                  and oh, say a Big Mac AND a cheeseburger....

		  Should the cheeseburger be eaten as an 'appetizer'
		  burger, or as a 'dessert' burger??

Colin.


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From: N.C.Thomas@newcastle.ac.uk (N C Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Pickle
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:16:36 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Having thought long and hard about the unpopularity of dill pickle
in McBurgers a question has been bugging me.

	Was Ray Krok associated in any way with the American
	Dill Pickle Growers Association, and is this the 
	only reason why dill pickle persists to this day despite
	*worldwide* protest at messy pickle removals with every
	burger?

	Or is the answer more sinister, for example blackmail by
	the dill pickle mafia. After all why do you think
	Pizza Hut and Domino's are bound by rules to include
	olives from Sicily as a pizza topping. They'll be on
	the McPizza next now that dill pickle has established
	itself through foul play.

Must go, better things to do. (Going for a bigmac).
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: jsattle@andy.bgsu.edu (jason sattler)
Subject: Re: Fast Food restaurants
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:08:41 GMT

ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
> 
>  I understand some fast food restaurants are franchises while others
> are company stores.  What is the average ratio of company stores to
> franchises for fast food establishments?  What benefits do company
> stores get over franchises?  Is it true that franchises usually make
> thier policies and and only go by the bare minimum standards the company
> gives them, while company stores must go by all policies.
> 
	I used to work for the company and a franchise.  There is a big
difference if you've worked at both of them.  The company has strict
guidelines that must be followed.  The benefits are better there, too.
I don't care for the franchises as well.  They do have to follow the 
bare mim. standards, but they don't always do it.  Granted, some franchises
are better, but not miost of them.  There are more franchises than company
stores.  I think it is somewhere around a 3:1 ratio, but I could be wrong on
that figure.

	Hope that helps some.

				Nickie

Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca (breadner ken u)
Subject: Re: Fast Food restaurants
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:34:27 GMT

In article <1ingc6INNfq6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>
> I understand some fast food restaurants are franchises while others
>are company stores.  What is the average ratio of company stores to
>franchises for fast food establishments?  What benefits do company
>stores get over franchises?  Is it true that franchises usually make
>thier policies and and only go by the bare minimum standards the company
>gives them, while company stores must go by all policies.
>
>Thanks.


Well, let me speak for McDonald's here...

I am not sure as to a percentage, but in my part of the world, there are
significantly more company stores than there are franchises. Having worked
at both sorts of stores, I can tell you it is unwise to make
generalizations like yours. The reputation of _certain_franchises_ is
terrible, but then again so is the reputation of certain company stores.
My present location is a company store. They do not always go by policy,
especially when it comes to night-time shifts. For instance, McDonalds'
policy states that on an eight-hour shift, one is entitled to one -30
minute break and two -10 minute breaks. Basically, taking any sort of
break at all through the night is strongly discouraged at my store.
I believe night-time staff are entitled to bonuses as well, but our
present full time people haven't heard of them.

It all comes down to managers. There are three types:

1) Too tough. These people look through magnifying glasses for dust motes
and tell you that your station isn't clean enough. They expect you to get
ten hours worth of work done in eight hours. Strangely enough, when they
work your shift, they often neglect to complete the simplest of tasks.

2) Too lenient. With these managers, you can get away with murder,
particularly if you belong in their "clique". Prime example: I have seen
one manager reach into the garbage, pull out a Big Mac and put it back in
the bin, after I'd "wasted" it. (I wordlessly grabbed the sandwich and
threw it out again, burying it so that he couldn't find it). The manager,
who had called for too many Macs fifteen minutes before, was really angry. Bet
the company would have *loved* this guy.

3) Tough but fair. Hard to find these people. They are ideal managers, who
have people skills but who also know how to get the job done. We haven't
had a good example in our store in half a decade. My old store was stuffed
with them, but they got transferred far too often. It's really annoying,
and I've yet to hear a good reason for this frequent uprooting of decent
managers.


-- 
Ken Breadner          |Wilfrid Laurier University, Waterloo, Canada
brea9430@mach1.wlu.ca |"Life is what happens when you're busy making other
(the BREADbox...)     |plans" --John Lennon
Disclaimer: you mean somebody's taking something I said SERIOUSLY?
From: creubank@is.crl.sony.co.jp (Curtis Eubanks)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Japanese McDonalds (Was Re: McDonalds in Norway)
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:01:15 GMT
    <xxkathy-120193112025@eds-mac-iici-1.lerc.nasa.gov> 
    <C0rnnI.D4z@cs.mcgill.ca>
Reply-To: creubank@is.crl.sony.co.jp (Curtis Eubanks)
Organization: Sony Corporation, Shinagawa, Tokyo, Japan.
X-Bytes: 2001

In article <C0rnnI.D4z@cs.mcgill.ca> fox@cs.mcgill.ca (Colin BRADLEY) writes:

  >Discussion Topic: If your McMeal consists of say, a drink, some fries, 
  >		     and oh, say a Big Mac AND a cheeseburger....
  >
  >		     Should the cheeseburger be eaten as an 'appetizer'
  >		     burger, or as a 'dessert' burger??

Ah, the finer points of McDonaldology.  I recommend eating it first as
an appetizer.  It doesn't take long to snarf it up anyway.  I find
that if you eat the Big Mac first, you will spoil the taste of the
cheeseburger.

Question: why are the cheeseburgers buns covered with grease on the
*outside*?  That's been mine experience here in Japan anyway.

Japanese McDonalds Peeve: no ketchup packets.  If you ask, they will
give you a very tiny tub of ketchup, enough for three or four fries.

It is always necessary to wait five minutes or so for a double cheese
burger here.  Why would this be?  It's not true for other sandwiches.
Is that normal in other places?

New Japanese McDonalds menu item: "San shoku gohan," literally
"Three-colored rice".  It's a Chinese dish consisting of a bowl of
rice on the bottom and three toppings: beef (or pork?), scrambled egg,
and I think pickle ginger (red).  I'll have to check on that.

One of my favorite McDonalds anywhere was in Vienna---the outside fit
in very well the surrounding buildings.  Instead of the bright yellow
and red plastic signs out front, it was all wrought iron.  Nice touch.

Now I'm starving.  Gotta go to McD's for lunch.

Trivia: McDonalds in Japan is pronounced "Makudonarudo."  In Taiwan,
it's Maidanglao.

				Your Far-East McDonalder
                                McCreubank
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Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
From: evore@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric J Vore)
Subject: Re: Pickle
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:06:34 GMT

     Perhaps this was why the McRib contained 2 pickles on every sandwich.  I 
am not personally a great lover of pickles, but I have never been able to find 
anyone who routinely puts pickles on BBQ ribs.  Is this an ethnic variation to 
which most people seem oblivious?
E. Vore...
From: cj356@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anthony A. Fimiani)
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: macD's tune
Date: 7 Jan 1993 23:38:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


One of my faves:

I woke up in the morning
...looked up on the wall
The beetles and the bedbugs
Were playing a game of ball.
The score was 19-20
The beetles were ahead
The bedbugs hit a home run
And knocked me out of bed.



(Just thought I'd contribute to the poetry corner!)

-Tony Fimiani
Internet: cj356@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: wiles@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.mcdonalds
Subject: McVeggie Burger
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:33:07 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Any news on what the new McVeggie burger tastes like and when/where it will be
marketed in the states?
From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)
Newsgroups: alt.consciousness
Subject: Re: Next?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:09:15 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun

In article <1993Jan3.014459.2012@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:

>	Penrose is a dweeb that tries to use quantum uncertianty
>	as a defense for human uniqueness. We are not 'linked' to
>	the quantum universe in any noticible way and even if
>	we were, so are all the animals from protozoa on up. 
>	Penrose, in his subtle way, is straining to preserve
>	some special human charistic that makes us somehow
>	'devine'. Rule #1 ... when someone tries to make you
>	or your motives 'divine' ... question them ten times
>	over because you can be assured there are egomaniacal
>	motives in there.

I agree that if we were linked to the quantum universe in some way,
so are all animals. I also agree that it is important to beware one's
ego when trying to determine one's place in the universe. In fact,
I see a great deal of egotism in some of the worlds more successful
religious philosophies.

>	Logic is not superior to emotion. It is 'just another
>	state of mind'.

I agree that it is just another state of mind. As for superiority,
I'd say that depends on how one is judging superiority.

>	When you look to 'PKE/PSI' ... accept only good proofs.
>
>	If humans have PSI/PKE ... so what ? 

It would demonstrate that the functioning of mind has a _direct_ effect on the
universe around us, which in turn implies that there is more to mind than
simply a electro-chemical process in a complicated neural net. I'd consider
this to be very significant.

>	What I am trying to say is that any definition or
>	explaination of consciousness is bound to be 
>	contaminated with crass assumptions about our own
>	achievements and future. I submit that we are nothing but
>	slightly improved monkeys. To draw more complex
>	assumptions is purest ego.

I agree that we are nothing more than super-monkeys. I also agree that
too many people get their egos mixed up with evaluations of their 
relationship with the universe. However none of this is to say that
our consciousness (and the consciousness of monkeys as well) is not
a process greater than the mere functioning of our neural nets.

>-- Jim Mason

Eric