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Subject: Lolly2 ??
From: <JC4RPSRA@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 13:07:39 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I saw the show last year, and it was, needless to say, one of the
most transcendendent experiences a human can have.
 
Next week is Lolly2 in this area and I have some ?? for y'all:
 
 
qq
 1. does Ministry just push the new stuff, or should I stay awake
    for their set?
 
 2. can Ice Cube put on a good show, or is his set a good time for
    a snack?
 
 3. most importantly, has / will Temple of the Dog and / or Porno
    for Pyros play(ed) second stage?  I thought I heard PFP did on
    MTV on the west coast shows.  Any reviews if someone saw them?
 
Thanx for the help.
                                        --j.
                                       (john clark @ Miami U.)
 
 
P.S. do you guys doing the "Re: Ministry at Lolla 2" posts know that
   NIN recorded their (his) own version of 'Supernaut' in 1987 on
   the Halo 00 non - release?  Could Ministry even compare to this?
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: Re: Stage Dive Score Chart (repost)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 18:08:29 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.041932.20273@peponi.wcc.govt.nz> meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>                *THE STAGEDIVE SCORE CHART*
>                ***************************
>
>This chart will help you accurately judge any stagedive at a show. 
>Descriptions of the following dives appear after the chart.
>Remember that most divers MAYBE get 30 points in a whole show....
>
>                     HEIGHT ABOVE CROWD (ft)
>       +=====+=======+======+=======+=======+========+===========+
>DIVE   |  0  |  1-3  | 4-6  | 6-10  | 11-20 | 21-40  | 41+       |
>=======+=====+=======+======+=======+=======+========+===========+
>Feet   |  0  |   1   |  2   |   3   |   5   |   8    |  10       |
>-------+-----+-------+------+-------+-------+--------+-----------+
>Cat    |  1  |   3   |  5   |   8   |  10   |   15   |  20       |
>-------+-----+-------+------+-------+-------+--------+-----------+
>Swan   |  2  |   5   |  8   |  12   |  15   |   20   |  25       |
>-------+-----+-------+------+-------+-------+--------+-----------+
>Back   |  2  |   6   |  10  |  15   |  18   |   23   |  28       |
>-------+-----+-------+------+-------+-------+--------+-----------+
>Bomb   |  3  |   8   |  13  |  18   |  24   |   30   |  38       |
>-------+-----+-------+------+-------+-------+--------+-----------+
>F. Flip|  4  |  10   |  15  |  20   |  27   |   35   |  40       |
>-------+-----+-------+------+-------+-------+--------+-----------+
>B. Flip|  5  |  12   |  17  |  23   |  30   |   39   |  45       |
>-------+-----+-------+------+-------+-------+--------+-----------+
>Heli   | 10* |  15   |  20  |  25   |  33   |   44   |  50       |
>-------+-----+-------+------+-------+-------+--------+-----------+
>* If you do a heli from 0ft you deserve this score
>"Height above crowd" measured at height of dive
>
If you want to score dives,then you should've went to LollaII
on the 18th at Shoreline Amphitheater!!! They were diving from
where the guy does the spot lights!! It gave me a high just 
watching them!!! Truly amazing!!!

Apache   



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From: blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: search for music
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:11:13 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

mikey@ece.arizona.edu (Michael Gribbons) writes:

> information please:
> 
> anybody know of any bands that would fit a description of reggae industrial.
> 
> appreciate any information.
> 
> thanks,
> mike


KMFDM's UIOIE..

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Xref: sparky rec.music.industrial:8936 alt.cyberpunk.movement:310
From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: Re: Kraftwerk .gif images
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:57:05 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

And lo, hell@desert.in-berlin.de (Steffen Hellwig) spake unto the masses saying:
>coan@newton.emba.uvm.edu.uvm.edu (Brian M Coan) writes:
>
>>	/pub/pics/gif/pics/music/kraftwerk
>
>> There are three cool .gif images there of one of the coolest bands ever!
>
> Post them, post them !!!

Since all 3 images are 250K+, I'd suggest that if they are posted at all,
they be posted to the likes of alt.binaries.pictures.misc, which are used
to humungous postings. 750K of GIFs would not (IMHO) be welcome in
rec.music.industrial.

--
		      Al Crawford - awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk
			   "Click click drone."
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From: dmanning@odin.unomaha.edu (David Manning)
Subject: Re: HELMET(re: Godflesh expectations 
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:41:52 GMT

aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu writes:

>In article <1992Jul17.204839.24388@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support) writes:
>>.  Have you seen Unsane?  Cop Shoot Cop?
>> Helmet?  They're not a million miles away from Godflesh, and their shows aren't
>> a million miles away either.  

>FC9.. i aGREE aBSOLUTELY wITH 99% oF tHIS pOST eXCEPT fOR tHE pART aBOUT 
>FC9.. <<HELMET>>, tRUE tHEY uSED tO bE aWESOME bOTH iN rECORDINGS aND lIVE
>FC9.. aND tHEY dID rEMIND mE a lOT oF <<GODFLESH>>, eVEN <<hEAD oF dAVID>>

I saw Godflesh Saturday night in Detroit; Helmet played the night before.
Unfortunately, I missed Helmet. :-( Godflesh, however, was outstanding.
			....		....
>FC9.. mORE).  tHE oNLY hOPE fOR uS nOISE fANS wOULD bE tHE sTUFF oN tOUCH 
>FC9.. aND gO i gUESS(>>tULIP<< bY STEEL POLE bATH tUB iS tHE lAST tHING 
>FC9.. i hEARD aND hAD mE sWIMMING iN tOXIC cRYOGENS fOR wEEKS, hEARD aNY tHING
>FC9.. nEW? aNY rECOMMENDATIONS? pLEASE i aM dESPERATE!)

Not to sound pompous, but maybe you're missing the point. Helmet *is*      
noisecore (or whatever you want to call it), but it's structured, analytical.
You can tell Page Hamilton and friends are devotees of the Glen Branca and
Robert Fripp -- and that's good! Obviously, this style doesn't work for 
everyone, but it works for Helmet. Godflesh, for example, isn't about
precision, but power, noise, and 'loose' emotion. Helmet is *accurate*.

>FC9.. i dIDN'T mEAN tO oFFEND oR dISAGREE wITH tHIS pOST bUT tHE lAST
>FC9.. <<HELMET>> wAS sO dISAPPOINTING i hAD tO lET iT oFF mY wEARY cHEST.

>aN oFFERING oF lOVE
>fROM fLESH cHAMBER9

Take another listen, but focus on the precision. How do you take three 
guitars and make them that integrated? It's fantastic. :-)

Dave

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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: SST bites again (was Let's help out negitvland!)
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:11:38 GMT

pauls@tellabs.com (Paul Silver) writes:
>>	Negativmailorderland
>>	109 Minna #391
>>	San Francisco, CA 94105

>This address will still work, at least for awhile, however, TECtones,
>the organization that handles Negativland mailorder (as well as Ralph
>Records mailorder) has moved to New Jersey.  I don't have the new
>address, however.  I think I recycled the latest catalog with the new
>address in it, after I was done with it.

Actually, they plan to keep the old address and just forward stuff too - the
logistics of moving means that for months if not years people will keep 
using the old address from catalogs and cds/lps, etc, so they'd be stupid to 
lose the old address or not pay for forwarding for at least a year or so.
So this address will still work for months or more, it but it'll probably
get you a slower response than writing to Ralph/TECtones in NJ, but since 
nobody seems to have the new address right now anyway, does it matter? 


Back to the matter of what SST bites and who they fights - someone said
that Sonic Youth was fighting with SST over royalties. Any other bands out
there involved with disputed like this with SST or other labels? I posted 
something about my suspicions that a lot of indie labels are skimming profits
and underpaying their artists, and someone mentioned Sonic Youth, and someone
else working with a label in SF told me that label never pays royalties, but
he didn't name the label. Anyone else got any comments on similar exploitation
of artists by their labels, indie or otherwise? 

- malcolm@wrs.com   
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From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Pitch Shifter CD mastering screwup?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:23:06 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

larry@cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:
: Is anyone else's copy of Pitch Shifter _Submit_ indexed strangely?
: It's priced like an EP, and there's only six tracks.  The first 
: five tracks are around 4-5 minutes each, and the last is 35:36 long
: for a total length of 57:03.  However, on my copy, track 6 has music 
: for the first 3:40, then there's 0:20 of silence, followed by a few
: seconds of music, another 0:40 of silence, and then 3:45 of more music.  
: The last 26:06 is, as far as I can tell, silent, but is part of track 6.
: Was a Green Guy present at the mastering session?

Mine is the same way, when I first brought it home I was little
concerned about it, but a friend of mine has the same thing.  The
last 26:06 isn't actually silent -- there are occasional bits of
noise on it every once in a while.  Kind of funny to leave it on,
and every once in a while you'll be surprised by some bit of noise.


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From: mah@eng.ufl.edu (MICHAEL HEERKENS)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: BiGod 20   <----from HERX
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:28:56 GMT
Distribution: everyone
Organization: Herx Werx




BiGod 20 only has 2 singles out,

Carpe Diem (sieze the day)

The Bog



That's it, see the lead singer for Front 242 sang lead vocals on the bog,
consequently The Bog sold more copies than did Carpe Diem. 
BiGod 20 thought that for continued success it would be best if said lead
singer (F242) sang on the "Forthcoming" album.


Well, he's been busy with the re-releases of the old albums as well as
hard at work at the Blade Runner 2 sound track (which by the way was 
supposed to be Tyrrany for You).

As of yet, no other news on BiGod 20.



Herx Here
From: n9041132@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Jack Bridges)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Lollapalooza in Vancouver
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:56:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Jul26.205613.15545
Organization: Western Washington University

I went to the next show in Silverdale, WA.  Ice Cube got held up at the
Canadian Border and got there late.  Ministry had a longer set and Ice 
Cube only played 3 songs in 25 minutes.  Then I left before the Red hots came
From: taylor@castor.cs.uga.edu (Brad Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: PTV discography?
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:47:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Jul29.142621.12327@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>In <Bs5IHE.2G3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> iew21308@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ian E. Wickram) writes:
>>	Does anyone have a discography for Psychick TV?  I remember a while
>>back people were kicking back and forth at least a partial listing when
>>someone asked about the song "Orchids" on Dreams not so nice.  
>
>If no one has a "real" discography, I can copy the "partial" one from
>the back of _A Coumprehensive Collection Ov Lyrics 1981-90_.
>
>>	Also if there are any TOPY coyotes out there could you clue me in on
>>a TOPY mailing list (E-mail or otherwise) as I have lost the Denver address
>>I used to be in touch with.
>
>I believe there is an email TOPY list, but I haven't seen a copy in a while
>and don't recall the address (a friend was subscribed and would forward the
>occasional issue).
>-- 
>Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
>               The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent;
>   that's why so many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard
>      to represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus.

topy-list@netcom.com 

and

TOPY Digital  (415)-431-7541
300/1200/2400  or 2300 Market St. #93, SF, CA, 94114
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.cd
From: bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Hostetler)
Subject: Re: U.F.Orb CD errors?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:11:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.044746.25294@u.washington.edu> cybele@hardy.u.washington.edu (Andy Quinn) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.162909.21077@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>>It would seem that I have a poor pressing of the U.F.Orb CD.  I can't see any
>>visible defects, but it has a high tendency to skip, even when the CD player
>>isn't jarred.  Has anyone else had this problem with their copy?

>(i would guess it's going to be a short-term thing as far as their print
>runs go...  remember tyranny >for you< and that stupid click?)

        I was so frustrated with my cd player skipping that when I
got my copy of UFOrb, I went out and bought a new Technics.  Now
*that* is dedication!
	Anyway, on the subject of U.F.Orb, what are the general
impressions?  I've been listening to it for over a week now.  I con't
say I like it more than 'Ultraworld' as it is darker (more
introspective that outworld-ish) and a bit too boring at times.
Still, it's better than a lot of other music out there and the
production values blow away 'Ultraworld'.

-- 
-brian
*bhostetl@ucs.indiana.edu 	  |	"Stop and breathe, close my eyes
 bhostetl@iubacs.bitnet   	  | and smell and listen...  no more cotton
 bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu  | candy, no more band concerts..."
From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: INFO: Rave Til Dawn (compilation)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 07:07:10 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

mcelwee@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Bennett) writes:

>> I picked this up as a freebie from a local shop this past weekend... 
>
> Does your local record shop actually give promo CDs away for free?! 

It's a cassette.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
From: mason@dante.uucp (Mason Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Grey Area News...
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:32:39 GMT
Organization: Charnel House Prod.

awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford) writes:
: Release dates... (all UK)
: 
: July 27
: 
: SPK			Information Overload Unit
: SPK			Leichenschrei
: SPK			Zamia Lehmanni
: 
: Just to piss everybody off, initially they're only going to be available
: together as a 3 CD box set, catalogue number SPKBOX 1. They will come out
: separately later though, along with a couple of other titles (yes, _Auto Da
: Fe_ is amongst the later releases).

Everyone should buy the box set anyway!  Does the press release say
anything about whether it will be a European/UK release only?  That's
the rumor I heard.  Hope it doesn't take too long to reach here as
an import, then.


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From: rperkins@NeoSoft.com (Rodney Perkins)
Subject: Re: HELMET(re: Godflesh expectations
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:03:23 GMT

> I was watching MTV this weekend (shoot me -- I was drunk and stoned) and saw
> a Helmet video.  I thought they were pretty decent, kinda agnostic-frontish
> was my first impression.  How would you describe their shit in general?  Was
> that video, if you guys know what I'm talking about, a good sample of their
> shit?  How would you compare their old shit with their new shit?  What would
> be a good first album to pick up?
> 
	
	I haven't seen that video but I can say that both Helmet albums
(Strap It On and Meantime) are very heavy and powerful without being
pretentious or overly metallic. The entire _Strap It On_ album and a few
cuts from _Mean Time_ are about as forceful and as hard-hitting as one
will hear nowadays.  I recommend them both.
-- 
"Dirt your purity" - John Woo, A Better Tommorrow
Rodney Perkins (Rperkins@Sugar.Neosoft.com)
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry _Psalm_69_ quick review
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:06:27 GMT
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.

In article <1992Jul21.154659.1257@skynet.uucp> ice@skynet.uucp (Ice) writes:
>I think you people are too selfish. All you ever care about is what YOU
>want to hear and what YOU like.

  Yeah that's ME! IT's just ME ME ME ME ME!
   And THAT's the way I LIKE ME!
   I'm selfish because I have opinions on what *I* think bands should
     sound like. (As if anyone else doesn't).


>Give a band a chance to explore other ways of doing things. There can only
>be improvement with change.
>

   And there can be absolute crap resulting from change as well.
   Yes, I agree bands should do whatever they want in their music...
   but isn't it our right to express how we feel about a band's change
    in style?

   If Ministry were to start working with Bel Biv Devoe, I think there would
    be sufficient support to COMPLAIN about that change (not that it would
    ever happen, thank god.)  I'm sure there are people TODAY who complain
    about Ministry ever since they left the new wave sound of _With_Sympathy_.

   Plus bands sometimes take criticism as feedback, to perhaps improve
   on whatever shit happened due to change.

    Don't accuse people with opinions of being selfish.

                                                            K!z!K
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From: Marty D Weil <mweil@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: ministry in lolla
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:32:06 GMT



made the trip to cincy yesterday to see "the woodstock for the slacker
generation".  okay, i'll have to admit that one of the only reasons i went
was to see ministry.  the other bands just don't do much for me.   i was up
against the back row of seats on the lawn and was expecting this really
out-of-control pit.  wrong.  things were kind of intense for about the first
three songs and then things really died down.  by the end of the set i was
just sort of standing there.  since i was mainly concentrating on listening
(the hell if i could even SEE the stage) i did notice something really
annoying.  i thought i was imagining things at first, but i wasn't.  al was
fucking up a lot.  maybe it was the whole band.  beats were being missed. 
vocals coming in early and late.  lyrics sung wrong.  did anyone else notice
this?!  i'm not condemning them or anything.  i thought it was a great show. 
the one thing i think they should drop is extending songs so much.  this
definitely seemed to bore people.  that's it.

m\

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From: smbelcas@med.umich.edu (Sarah Marie Belcastro)
Subject: Re: The Inflatable Swimsuit
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 02:27:39 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Mathematics Department, Ann Arbor
Originator: smbelcas@jameson.math.lsa.umich.edu


hmmm. the first time i heard of the chant about increasing busts was in
a judy blume book; i think it was _are you there god, it's me, margaret._
i'm not sure when that came out... or how old ms. blume is.


					--sm.
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From: brian@mik.uky.edu (Brian hoffman)
Subject: Re: HELMET(re: Godflesh expectations
    <1992Jul20.171619.17@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu> 
    <1992Jul21.062408.1357@NeoSoft.com>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:46:17 GMT

>	Sorry to disagree but I think your totally wrong on the newest Helmet
>album. Better done than the last one and definitely more powerful. Yea,
>the guy decides to sing on a few tracks and you call the next big thing?
>Thats bullshit. Helmet is about as commercial or accessible as Poison
>Idea. Oh I guess since there on a major label now there are going to be
>hitting the top ten and selling millions of albums! Thats exactly what
>I thought when Warner Bros. reissued Throbbing Gristle and NON via Mute
>records. Uh-huh...
>-- 
>"Dirt your purity" - John Woo, A Better Tommorrow
>Rodney Perkins (Rperkins@Sugar.Neosoft.com)

  Hate to tell ya, but Helmet is getting to be *very* commercial.  MTV uses
"In the meantime" for tons of their promos and every record shop I've been
to (including the dreaded Mall record stores) has about 12 copies of it.  
From what I heard, Interscope gave them a million dollars to do the album 
in hopes that they would be the next "Nirvana" of sorts.  It's sad but true.
I even heard Lard used during one of those MTV Sports shows...is nothing
sacred?!?
-Brian