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From: jrbell@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jason Bell)
Subject: Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:22:23 GMT

Stephen Hutchison (hutch@hutch) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug20.140145.16334@ryn.mro4.dec.com> midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com writes:
: >Okay, gents/ladies, I give up.
: >I don't get it.
: 
: Admitting his cluelessness, the intrepid midnight continues with a handful
: of casual slurs:
: 
: >Did Rob Liefield beat up your collective sisters, or something?  Did he insult
: >your grandma?  Does he make obscene phone calls to your local pastor?  Does he
: >hang cute little bunny rabbits by their ears?  What?  What?
: 
: Simple.  He took a group of characters who were popular and well-liked,
: and completely *ucked them up.  He introduced bad story elements, stupid
: character designs, started interfering with writing (something he can
: barely do - I suspect the reason he wanted to pay by check in the infamous
: incident at SanDiego was because he'd recently learned to write his name in
: script) ... and in very short order, took something which had been spoiled
: and turned it into a radioactive festering cancerous boil.

Much as I hate Liefield's handling of the New Mutants, I still think the
majority of the blame should lie on Louise Simonson's shoulders. I'm still
pissed off that I bought about 50 issues of the New Mutants, hoping that
CC would come back or that Brett Blevins would leave. I should have stopped
buying them the instant CC left, at least then I wouldn't have had to put up
with all the crap that happened later.

-Jason
From: camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Darren Natale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Current Spidey
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:02:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

> Has anyone but me noticed that NONE of the Spiderman titles are any good?
>I know this is a bold statement...I've been collecting Spiderman for 18
>years, and I don't think I've seen such a rut in storytelling in Spidey's
>history (not even the Rocket Racer days of the late seventies!)

>This is very disconcerting to a comic reader...can something be done?
> 

My spidey collection also spans a few decades, and I feel the same way.
You can do like I did a few months ago--stop buying the mags.

DN
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From: lmlc@brahms.udel.edu (Carolyn M Chandler)
Subject: wolverine for sale...
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:34:43 GMT

Ok i am sell 2 copies of wolverine #1 and one copy of #10, first offer of 
over 45 +sh gets them...

-morgan
(did someone say they were selling the big x-men holos for 175? I was just
wondering if their was any demand for these, cause i have seen them at shows for like 100....)
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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Claw )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: R.A.C's still here?!?  What have I missed?
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:12:22 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I am fairly new to R.A.C. and would like to know about the shakeup
mentioned in a previous post. What is going to replace r.a.c?

-- 
-p. minutillo

"Go-go gadget copter!.....No,no--NOT gadget roller skates!..AAAHHHHHHHH!!!!"
    ---Inspector Gadget (from just about every Inspector Gadget episode!)
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From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,alt.sex,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Death's Gender
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:51:06 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <Bt5LGI.39G@wpi.WPI.EDU> megazone@wpi.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>But Death is absolutely incredible! I actually fell in love with her... the
>look, the personality, perfection! (I'd really like to see a picture of 
>Cinnamon sometime....)

I've seen her. She and (I think) Drigenberg (spelling; I'm way too tired to
go look it up) we here in Austin at Funny Papers a while back; the store still
has a photo of the two and an original piece that he did for the store. Neat 
stuff, but, er, let's just say that Cinnamon is about as exotic but not quite
as good-looking as Death. The piercings just kind of turned me off......

(BTW, Megazone, have you noticed that you tend to fall in love with comic book
characters a lot? [Re : UF])

-- 
    "Well, do you ever get the feeling that the Story's too damn real
                        and in the present tense?"
               Christian Wagner - cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Comic buying fantasies
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:13:31 GMT

Since I buy for the stories and not for investment, I've just recently ended a 
two year long fulfillment of my comics buying fantasy: piles and piles of 
just-barely-holding-together (rather low grade in other words) independents, 
Marvels and DC's.  A shop in the town I went to undergrad for had a quarter box
collection that was basically the clearinghouse for all of Northeast Missouri's
unwanted old comics.  In the last two years, I bought between 500-1000 old 
comics and even graphic novels for 25cents each.  Who cares if all those old 
LSH and Superboy&LSH comics I bought are not in the continuity?  They are still
good reads.  Maybe they are still worthless on resale, but I feel I got my 
money's worth.
     Dave Van Domelen, got hooked on Tales of the Beanworld and Fish Police 
from that quarter box
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: What ever happened to the Transformers?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:48:33 GMT

Remember (or learn now) that the Transformers *started* in Japan/Hong Kong.  
This first cartoon limited series was originally Japanese-market anime, and got
dubbed over to English.  When it was a hit, they started making them in 
English.  I suspect that with the huge "giant robot" industry in Japan's Toy 
Sector, they had to release alot more products to compete than in America, 
hence models you never saw here.
     Dave Van Domelen, waiting to hear who you have to spend five minutes with 
to be convinced against democracy
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From: stailey@snoopy.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Marvel 2099 titles
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:58:58 GMT

(Steve Husty) writes:

*	Punisher 2099 - Haven't heard anything about this one.  My guess
*			is that Frank is old and even more pissed off 
*			because he can't litter anymore!!  No, I really
*			think that there are going to be gangs like in 
*			Batman Legend of the Dark Night, that emmulate 
*			the Skull-Vigilante!!

	No, more like some new guy picking up the name and m.o.
	The Marvel guys didn't elaborate too much on this one.


*	Doom 2099 - Again, no real words on this one.  My guess is 
*		    our favorite Latverian Leader has kept himself 
*		    alive using some of his Black Magic, and this 
*		    is how he's doing in the 21st Century.

	This one could be interesting. First and foremost, this new Doom
	has nothing to do with Victor Von Doom, Kristoff, or Doombots.
	He is the current ruler of LAtveria who has become disenchanted
	with the way the world views heros. So, he sets out to become
	the world's greatest superhero.


	--
	Michael                      
	stailey@comm.mot.com     


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From: mtrevor@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew Trevor)
Subject: Re: DC: Hellblazer/Swamp Thing query
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 00:19:25 GMT


Another brief JC appearance was in another Secret Origins (issue unknown
right now) featuring Zatanna.  John was only mentioned briefly as being
her tutor and lover, all in a single panel, but I remember it fondly as
being my first encounter with JC and think "What a *cool* name!" :)


Matthew T.

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Marvel History
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:54:40 GMT

If you can find it, the Marvel Saga series did a pretty good job of Marvel 
History (26 issues) up thru I believe the early 80s.
     Dave Van Domelen, proud owner of a copy of Images of Omaha #2
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From: lmlc@brahms.udel.edu (Carolyn M Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.marketplace
Subject: Re: Missing cupons...
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:56:34 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware


In Valiants case i dont think that cutting out the insert cupons should
damage the value past say 50%, with the harbingers i belive that the cut issues
will be much more sough after when the cupon deadline has passed for good...
just look at magnus #0 compaired to the comics with cupons....
(no flames please but i would love to buy or trade for any cupon missing 
valiants...)

-morgan
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Valiant, hello anyone out there?
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:36:53 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>
I know that Valiant is a small company with only 1/20th of the market share
but i was just wondering am I the only 'Valiant Zombie' out there.  I
have seen less then 10 
>

well, just so you know, I was at a comic convention here in Pittsburgh
last Sunday and there was not a single dealer there who *didn't* have
the Valiant's from his/her store with them. Everyone was running around
looking for the best deals on Magnus #0, and so on. I personally am not
up on Valiant so I wasn't particpating in that particular furor. I was
too busy finding other nice deals.....like a first-printing
mint-condition Alpha Flight #106 for $6. :)
I also managed to complete my Hulk collection back to #186 and my Iron
Man collection back to #100 (finally!) and I picked up the first copy
I've ever seen of Marvel Super-Heroes #18--which I have been looking for
as long as I can remember--it's a shame I couldn't find it until *after*
the Guardians of the Galaxy got their own book and became popular. :(
oh, well, I'm happy anyway. 

--Vernon.
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: Atlas of the 1970's/Image
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:06:44 GMT

In article <16AUG199204204261@mary.fordham.edu> areid@mary.fordham.edu (Darin Reid) writes:
>The Image "Explosion" reminds me of the rise and fall of the Atlas comics of
>the 1970's.  They both are introducing/ced a whole bunch of characters at once
>in hopes of making their company float.  
>Image and Atlas both suffer from trying to recreate that same happening in the
>span of a year or two.  I  personally feel that had image started off with two
>series and built on them for a while they would be a better company.  
>
>any opinions?

As people will obviously point out, if you want to see a comic book
universe unfold properly you need look no further than Valiant. This was
a company who spent a lot of time planning on how things were going to
unfold. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Valiant has some kind of 5
year story arc planned out and will follow it no matter what.

Well thought out continuity, tightly plotted stories, good art,
interesting characters and far above ordinary Marvel's and DC's. I cam
almost understand all the buzz about the company, but even I am shocked
out how fast people caught on to them.

Having said that, $50+ is a ridiculous price for Harbringer #1. It's not
a year old yet, for Christ's sake! I got mine for $10 only a month ago.
Look before you leap, folks. It'll save you money.

IMHO, of course.

Waiting for the flames.

*************************************************************************
* Craig Welsh                  *    "I'm a few bricks short of a       *
*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
* cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca     *     hurt my back."                    *
*                              *     "Crazy" - Barenaked Ladies        *
************************************************************************
* "Homeboy from Hell." Screw that. I'm the Waiter from Hell.           *
*  You figure out which is scarier.                                    *
************************************************************************
From: scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Scott Weintraub)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: ECLIPSO checklist
Date: 23 Aug 92 07:50:37 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <1992Aug21.031006.29636@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>Actually, there is some order to it.  Some issues, like Robin Annual, can be 
>read out of order, but any issue with Superman has to be read in order, since 
>there is a definite line there (Supes first encounters Eclipso, Lois gets 
>Eclipsed and town revealed, Supes goes to save town and gets Eclipsed, etc).
>     Dave Van Domelen, got a piece of black paste jewelry, and when mildly 
>irked I get Upstaged

I think the only two books I'm missing are Superman: Man of Steel (it just
so happens to be the first Superman book which royally screws me over
considering all I've read was Eclipso #1 and am dying to read on!!!) and
the Hawkman annual.  I could be  wrong but we'll just have to wait and
see.

The L.E.G.I.O.N. book is by far much more attractive from an artistic
standpoint than all the other Eclipso books.  

Oh yeah, and does anybody know if there is a different in value between
the Eclipso #1 with the plastic diamond or without the plastic diamond?

-- 
     /// A3000-25/52       * Scott Weintraub - Long Island, NY     *   In
    ///  DCTV (yeah!)      * e-mail: scottw@pdnfido.fidonet.org    *DreAms i
\\\///   HP Paintjet (yuck)*                                       *  WalK
 \\X/    USR Courier HST   * Letterman is the king of latenight!!! *WiTh yOu
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From: rutled@bnr.ca (Philip Rutledge)
Subject: Re: DC RUMORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply-To: rutled@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:15:28 GMT

Roger B.A. Klorese (rogerk@queernet.org) wrote:
: In article <28812@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU> wchong@wissel.GBA.NYU.EDU (William Chong) writes:
: >
: >	I just read in Bill Hayes' Comics List that James Hudnall confirmed 
: >rumors that GL:Mosaic, Justice Society of America and Aquaman has been 
: >cancelled!!!!!!!!
: >
: >	CAN ANYONE ELSE VERIFY THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?
: 
: MOSAIC: definitely cancelled (per Cully Hamner, the artist)
: AQUAMAN: cancelled and re-starting at #1 with PAD's first issue (per PAD)

Why are they restarting Aquaman at #1?  Besides the obvious marketing
ploys, is there going to be a whole new direction for the book?

I personally was enjoying what was currently going on in Aquaman
not classic stuff but very enjoyable.

Later,
Phil
--
......................................................................
Philip Rutledge (rutled@bnr.ca)                  Bell-Northern Research
"Stupid, Stupid rat creatures!!" -- Fone Bone                   Bone #2
......................................................................
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From: sazan@hounix.org (Kevin Winkler)
Subject: Re: What happenned to Nimrod (Was: Re: The Good Old Days Moved!)
Organization: Houston UNIX Users Group (HOUNIX), Houston, TX
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:10:35 GMT

   Well, your partially right.  Nimrod was absorbed by the Mater Mold sentinel.  Basicly, Nimrod's consciousness convinved it that they both became a mutant, so the Master Mold blew it'self away.  AT the same time, it had Rogue/Carol Danvers in his other hand.  Needless to say Dazzler decided to use the Seige Perilous. This sucked the Master Mold/Nimrod into the portal, along with Rogue, who would later reemerge in Jim Lees's run of the X-men.
From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: what happened to Amanda Stephan??????
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:55:38 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

gtm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Gareth Torrey Munger) writes:

>	What every happened to Amanda Stephan? Kurt W. SO.  or I
>should say ex-SO.  I heard she was involved with some of the
>muir Island stuff, but what exactully is She doing now?



>The Tigerdragon

Minor Nitpick: I believe the ladies' name is Amanda Sefton, not Stephan.

As to her whereabouts, I don't believe that has been addressed since the 
Muir Island Saga, although it would be nice to know.

David
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From: jbanoub@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: X-Force=Newfoundland
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:06:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.175832.14110@honte.uleth.ca>, proct_hately@hg.uleth.ca (Kintair of Hawkehaven MKA Bill Hately) writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.024526.11454@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, 
> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>>Having just read the latest X-Force (yes I still buy it, I have hope
>>that things can inprove. I'm naive like that) and I have noticed yet
>>another reference to Newfoundland. Now we are not exactly a major
>>crossroads of the world, but this is several times that the comic has
>>made reference here. I'm getting parnoid or something. Maybe Niceza is
>>trying to make up for that disasterous AVengers story from a couple of
>>years ago.
>>
>>Also, explain if you can the almost total lack of coordination between
>>Weapon X, K or Prime to the rest of Alpha Flight. And don't you think
>>that Wolvie would know about a Wendigo being used by the govt and be a
>>tad pissed. Oh well, maybe it's just more screwed up writing.
>>
>>*************************************************************************
>>* Craig Welsh                  *    "I'm a few bricks short of a       *
> Be careful or you could end up having State parks in Newfoundland too, I'm 
> still trying to find "Buffalo Woods State Park" here in Alberta, the Closest
> I've come is Wood Buffalo National Park :-)- but at least now we exist as more 
> then a "Cold desolate place" between the US and the Arctic circle (I think they
> said we had Waterton State park too once) Sheesh and they wonder why we get
> annoyed.    (Waterton is a National park as well - I would even accept them
> calling them Provincial parks but STATE!) (sorry, pet peeve)
> Bill
> Kintair of Hawkehaven          | Bill Hately   | Talk (403) 381-1741
> Shire of Windwyrm              | Lethbridge AB | proct_hately@hg.uleth.ca
> Crown Principality of Avacal   | Canada        | Smile Dammit
> An Tir (I wouldn't dream of subjecting any corp. or Educational Institution to
>         these opinions, so they certainly aren't the opinions of the UofL)
>   (And I'm not an officer of the SCA so I can't have an official opinion There
>               - even if I wanted to )
> Life is a Sexually Transmitted Terminal Condition
From: rsdoyle@swift.cs.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: For Sale Contd. Xmen, New Mutants, XFactor, Excalibur
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:20:10 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Trinity College Dublin


Replies to comics for sale

rsdoyle@cs.tcd.ie


Sorry mail address got lost in editing

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From: jbanoub@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Re: X-Force=Newfoundland
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:08:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.024526.11454@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
> Having just read the latest X-Force (yes I still buy it, I have hope
> that things can inprove. I'm naive like that) and I have noticed yet
> another reference to Newfoundland. Now we are not exactly a major
> crossroads of the world, but this is several times that the comic has
> made reference here. I'm getting parnoid or something. Maybe Niceza is
> trying to make up for that disasterous AVengers story from a couple of
> years ago.
> 
> Also, explain if you can the almost total lack of coordination between
> Weapon X, K or Prime to the rest of Alpha Flight. And don't you think
> that Wolvie would know about a Wendigo being used by the govt and be a
> tad pissed. Oh well, maybe it's just more screwed up writing.
> 
> *************************************************************************
> * Craig Welsh                  *    "I'm a few bricks short of a       *
> *                              *     load, but a full load always      *
> * cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca     *     hurt my back."                    *
> *                              *     "Crazy" - Barenaked Ladies        *
> ************************************************************************
> * "Homeboy from Hell." Screw that. I'm the Waiter from Hell.           *
> *  You figure out which is scarier.                                    *
> ************************************************************************
>
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Wolverine/Cable Questions???
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:42:57 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <19736@plains.NoDak.edu> fogel@plains.NoDak.edu (Chris Fogel) writes:
>
> Hello everyone, I just had a few questions and was wondering if you could
>help me out.
>
>	1. Is there truth in the rumor that Wolverine actually got his
>	   claws from Apocalypse?

I've never heard this rumor, and i'd have to say 'no,' taking the Weapon X
stuff to be 'real.' 

>	2. Is Cable actually Scott Summer's son?
 
I think at one point he definitely was, but i tend to think since EVERYONE
figured out at some point in the 'Kings of Pain' storyline about a year and
a half ago, they've changed their minds and will come up with some stupid
alternate origin.

>	3. There is a rumor that Professor X's father had something to do
>	   with Wolverine getting his bones. Is this true?"
 
I dunno, this is a new plot [sic] in the x-books, keep reading.

>	4. Anyone want to spill the information about who killed the X-Men
>	   in Bishop's future??????
 
Psylocke and Forge are my guesses, if it even comes to pass in this timeline.

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
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From: ba446@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Todd M. Hanson)
Subject: Kid Dynamo.. repost?
Reply-To: ba446@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Todd M. Hanson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 09:12:51 GMT


Being one of the unfortunate few (?) who didnt catch the entire run of the 
infamous Kid Dynamo series, and also not having ftp access.. what are the 
chances or getting the Kid Dynamo series reposted?  There certainly seems
to be enough interest in it.. 
 
Failing that, is there some kind soul out there who would consider emailing 
me the story? 
 
Todd

-- 
* Todd Hanson                              ba446@cleveland.freenet.edu  *
*                                                                       *
*     "No woman's worth a bullet between the eyes.. "                   *
*          "Depends on who's eyes.. and which woman."    'Bugsy'        *
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA