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From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Performance In The Cold
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:40:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bxx4v2.I1M
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman) writes:
>Does anyone else out there notice these  "symptoms" of cold weather riding?
>  1) My  "natural"  cadence  drops from about 92 in the summer to around 85
>     (or less).
>  2) My general performance drops dramatically when the temp is below about
>     50.  The  symptom is "hurting  legs" but low HR.  I dress warm  (thick
>     tights, full gloves, helmet w/cover, booties etc.)
Well you're working alot harder than in the summer.  You should not ride as
long as you would in the summer becasue your body is expending alot more
energy trying to stay warm.  I'd suggest riding 3/4 of your normal summer
distance at most.  if it's really cold then ride half of your normal distance.
-Terry
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From: augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us (August West)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Carbon Fiber Frames
Keywords: n
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:13:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: toz.wXwauB8w165w
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)8338-616

chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll) writes:
> >To make things more exciting, what's the fastest that people have CRASHED 
> >at? :-)

        I wasn't going very fast, but because this was my first season of 
cycling for exercise, and because I am new at this, it took me a while to 
get back on my bike after I crashed at 20mph. I slid out on a turn on dry 
pavement. 
        I finally did get back riding, after purchasing new schwinn 
wheels with much better traction, just as my road rash was healing.

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.soc
From: "Michael Smith" <p00004@psilink.com>
Subject: A win for the ticketing movement
Organization: Performance Systems Int'l
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:30:26 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

>DATE:   23 Nov 92 05:33:42 GMT
>FROM:   Kentaro Nakamichi <k3amichi@student.business.uwo.ca>
>
>We had a major bike accident outside the city of London, Ontario 2 
>weekends ago which involved an inattentive driver running through 13 
>guys, killing 1 and sending 6 to the hospital.  The police have now 
>decided that they will charge the cyclists for riding two abreast
[....]
>The driver, who claims that he never 
>saw any of the 20 cyclists because he was looking at a barn to the side 
>of the road will not be charged at all.

Clearly, the tickets-for-cyclists movement has acheived a major victory 
here. If this policy can be maintained, all the many social ills caused 
by cyclists, which have been so eloquently documented in rec.bicycles.soc
by my friends the Spandex Pharisees, will be cured in short order.

--Michael Smith
From: tohall@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Dave Hall (Sverdrup))
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Riding in Reno NV area in Jan - Advice Please!
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:34:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     I plan to be in Reno Nevada during the week of January 11. What are
the prospects for doing some riding? Maps are not too helpful in figuring
out which roads will probably be snow-covered. Are there any off-road trails
likely to be rideable that time of year? I can bring either a road or Mtn.
Bike. Or perhaps I should just chuck it and try to go downhill skiing?

              Thanx in advance, 



                       Dave Hall
From: jbrandt@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jobst Brandt)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:50:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Need help with trip.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides

Bryan Whitsell writes:

> I intend to take a bike trip from Terre Haute,IN to Nashville,TN.  I
> was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for a route to take.  I
> am considering camping along the way. I could use some suggestions
> as to what to take.

Cheryl Lynn writes:

> If you're lucky, Jobst will see this post.  He has a great list of
> things to take on a long bicycle trip, if I'm remembering correctly.
> Good luck on your adventure!!

Well thanks but I think there is a conflict in style here.  I don't
like camping, especially in non California summer weather, having
spent some time in military bivouacs.  My choice is to travel with
minimal baggage and eat and sleep well in small town motels or
hotels, whether here or in Europe.  Therefore, my list of things to
take along lacks all the things one might want to put in the trailer.

I think that my description of my tour of the Alps '92 stated the
method and indicated by the itinerary and weather description that
hauling and camping was definitely inappropriate.  So anyway, let
me append the list of things that have carried me through all my
bike tours for the last many years.  If you want I can repeat the
Tour92 post as well.  I won't hold my breath though.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

Bicycle Tour Checklist.
-----------------------

CLOTHING:
Cycling shorts (2)
Cycling jersey (2)
Socks (2pr)
Undershorts
Undershirts
Cycling shoes
Helmet
Sweater
Cold weather gloves
Slacks and shirt
Rain cape or waterproof parka shell
Sun glasses
Cycling cap (for sunburn protection)

MECHANICAL:
Spare tire and tube
Patch kit
Tire irons
Spokes w. nipples (2 of each length)
Spoke wrench
Freewheel remover for your specific freewheel
Cone wrenches (pair)
T-wrench, L-wrench for derailleurs etc.
Chain tool
Screwdriver (pencil size)
Rear axle

SUNDRIES:
Money (cash and travelers checks)
Camera (and accessories)
Film for entire trip
Maps
Address book
Pen
Passport (if necessary)
Matches (or lighter)
Salve, sun lotion, chap stick
Pocket calculator (for currency computations)
Tooth brush
Nail clipper
Comb
Shaver
Can opener
Pocket Knife
Spoon
Tape, white adhesive or duct tape
Plastic produce bags (4+)

TOOLS required to assemble bike at point of departure
Crank extractor
Crank bolt wrench
Spare crank bolt (in case one breaks on assembly)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Subject: New Mexico Rides??
Summary: where to ride near I-25? and/or Shiprock
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:45:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


Hi,

I plan to visit some friends in Las Cruces over TG break. Can anyone
recommend some good road rides to do on the way? I'll either go via
I-25, or perhaps ski Wolf Creek, visit Shiprock, then diagonal over to
Las Cruces.

There's some extinct volcano that makes for a grueling climb? Where
is that?

Thanks,
Rich
From: whitsebd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bryan D Whitsell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Need help with trip.
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:35:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1e8pm2INNiht
Reply-To: whitsebd@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bryan D Whitsell)
Distribution: world
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: white.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

I intend to take a bike trip from Terre Haute,IN to Nashville,TN.  I was  
wondering if anyone had any suggestions for a route to take.  I am  
considering camping along the way. I could use some suggestions as to what  
to take. 

Thanks.

E-mail please

Bryan Whitsell

e-mail  whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.misc
From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: MTB San Diego?
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:36:47 GMT

My company may be sending me to San Diego for the winter.  Since I'm pretty
sure there isn't any cross-country skiing there, and I know there's bugger all
Orienteering there, that leaves MTBing.  Is there good Mountain Biking
there?  If so, where should I go?  Where should I go to find out where to go
(bikeshops, clubs, etc)?

Thanks...

[This probably should be an email response]
-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com (Canadian first, Quebecer second)
"We sealed our federal pact without bloodshed and without exploitation of the
weak by the strong.  All it took was fairness, justice and some compromises
on both sides." - George-Etienne Cartier, Father of Confederation, 1867
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Subject: Re: Guide to Bicycle Touring in Europe
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:41:59 GMT

In article 118@dde.dk, pck@dde.dk (Peter C. R. Kristensen) writes:
>bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
>
>>I have updated this guide with new and correct information.  I would
>>appreciate any comments from the net.
>
>>Thanks,
>
>>Bruce
>>bruce.hildenbrand@eng.sun.com
>
>>--------------------------- Cut Here ----------------------------------
>>Anyway, most of the bicycle shops in Europe are not as well stocked as their
>>US counterparts.  Most shops only carry one or two brands, hence, their
>>selection is atrocious.  Chris Wiscavage said that most shops don't build
>>wheels very well and looking at the shops, I would believe it.  Don't get
>>me wrong, I am sure there are some very fine bike shops in Europe, but it is
>>a good idea to come prepared for just about anything.
>
>In Denmark, most of the bike shops are very well equipped, so if you
>want to take a rest from the mountains, and try another kind of
>landscape you're welcome !!

In my experience this ties in with the next point - it depends on where
you are. In a major city like Stockholm you can get almost anything
that is available in the US - maybe with a slight delay, i.e. what's
presented as "hot news" here was available last year for you. But I've
seen a few American bike shops and I think Stockholm has at least a
couple of shops that can compare favorably to Palo Alto Bicycles in
quality and assortment. We do NOT have "Nashbar/Performance" -type
outlets. Weather you find that good or bad is a matter of taste.

Outside the urban areas (and in many smaller shops in the major cities
too), the profile changes. Shops do their major turnover with domestic
brands and mostly carry spares that fit those bikes. This means low-end
Shimano/SunTour components, Korean/Taiwanese generic tires and chains
and endless supplies for old single-speed coaster-brake clunkers that
have been sold for close to a century by the proprietor's ancestors...

>>Except in big cities, everything in the towns shut down from 12pm(noon)
>>to around 2-3pm.  This means markets, banks, basically everything you need.

This is fairly typical of many southern European countries. It seems to
gradually vanish the further north you go. Up here in Sweden the
livliest time of the day tends to be around lunch. May have something
to do with heat...

>>Restaurants are open, but a big meal is a no-no.  I found it was better

In my experience this only holds true for 1 day/week - i.e. the chef's
day off. Unfortunately, this can vary from town to town so if you're
unlucky you can travel "out of phase" with the restaurants for almost
an entire week. :-(

---
 Torsten Lif
 Ericsson Telecom AB, EO/ETX/TX/AD
 S-126 25  STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN
 Phone: +46 8 719 4881

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng)
Subject: Re: November century (long)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:55:20 GMT


Welcome back Pamela.

Regarding your challenge (century-a-month), sorry but I am a real
wimp. From December to about February arround here (Ottawa), I switch
to X-C skis and have some vague thoughts about the Canadian Ski
Marathon (about 170 km of skiing in a weekend). Fortunately only once
have I succumb to those dastardly thoughts and I regretted that
moment of weakness for quite a while afterward :-)

The salt arround here is pretty viscious. Unless you have a bike that
is completely chromed (Ken, are you there?), riding in the winter here
is a great way to ruin a good bike. [Notice I didn't mention any thing
about winter beaters...]

--

Spencer Cheng     scheng@BNR.CA  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada  613-763-4046
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)
Subject: Re: November century (long)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:08:26 GMT
Keywords: century, cold, tandem

Thanks Pam
-Terry
From: surfdog@ossi.com (John Onusko)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: MTB rides in Tahoe area?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:29:08 -0800
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: akasha.ossi.com

davem@rose.hp.com (David Malicoat) writes:

>>>I will be going to the Lake Tahoe area this coming weekend,
>>>specifically a cabin near Squaw Valley.

>Tahoe Ares MTB rides around Squaw valley.

>There is a mountain bike ride that goes from Tahoe City to truckee via
>various fire roads that is about 17 miles in duration.  You can then car
>suttle back to Tahoe City, or take HWY 89 and the Hwy. bike trail back to
>Tahoe City.  I have not taken this trail but have heard that it isn't
>too difficult.

You will need a good map to find your way. There are a lot of fireroads
and trails around the Tahoe City end of the ride. It's pretty easy to
get confused. You can buy a book of North Tahoe MTB rides that helps a little.
They have them in some of the stores in Tahoe City.

>The only reservation that I have at this time, is there snow on the
>trails and is the flume trail open? 

I haven't been up there in a few weeks, but the T.C. to Truckee (trail) ride is
at a pretty high elevation and the snow can pile up quick and last a while.

There is some o.k. single track near the high school in Tahoe City. It's a
virtual maze of trails and fireroads around that area.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: davem@rose.hp.com (David Malicoat)
Subject: Re: MTB rides in Tahoe area?
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:50:10 GMT
Organization: HP - Systems Technology Division
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

>>I will be going to the Lake Tahoe area this coming weekend,
>>specifically a cabin near Squaw Valley.

Tahoe Ares MTB rides around Squaw valley.

There is a mountain bike ride that goes from Tahoe City to truckee via
various fire roads that is about 17 miles in duration.  You can then car
suttle back to Tahoe City, or take HWY 89 and the Hwy. bike trail back to
Tahoe City.  I have not taken this trail but have heard that it isn't
too difficult.

The other ride that I would recommend is the Flume Trail ride that is
over by the Ponderosa Ranch at Incline.  The view is spectacular and it
is a good ride 1500 - 2400 feet vertical climb 19 - 24 miles depending
on wether you do the entire loop or do an up and back.  Either way It
will take you from est. 4 to 6 hours.

You pick up the trail at Spooner Lake in Nevada.  Ride north 6 miles from
Spooner Lake to Marlette Lake where the Flume Trail starts.  The Flume
Trail is about 7 miles long.  The view si spectacular.  You are 1000 feet
above Lake Tahoe on the edge of the mounatin overlooking Sand Harbor.  At
the end of the Flume trail you can do either 3 things.  1.)  end the ride
by riding down to the Ponderossa Ranch and car shuttle to get your other
car (Trip 11 miles - easy way out).  2.)  Turn around and ride back to
Sponner Lake (Trip ~ 20 miles). 3.) go around the back side to Hobart
Cr. Reservoir. back to Marlette Lake and then back to Spooner Lake.  I
have done options 2 & 3.  Each one has there merits.  

The only reservation that I have at this time, is there snow on the
trails and is the flume trail open? 

Have a good time

David Malicoat 
HP Roseville
davem@hprpcd.rose.hp.com
From: pault@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Paul Taira)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:23:42 GMT
Subject: California Bicycle Tour (Sierra To The Sea '93)
Organization: Network Test Division / California
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides


                              SIERRA TO THE SEA '93

          Sierra   to   the  Sea  is  a  scenic  and  challenging  7-day
          bicycle/camping tour, from Northern California's Gold  Country
          to San Francisco's Golden Gate.

          It begins in the historic Mother Lode Country on June 19th and
          will visit our state  capitol,  Sacramento  Valley,  the  Napa
          Valley,  the  Russian  River,  the  Sanoma  Coast,  and  after
          crossing the Golden Gate Bridge, will finish in San  Francisco
          on June 26th.

          Sponsored   by   Almaden  Cycle  Touring  Club  in  San  Jose,
          California. This will be the sixth year  for  this  non-profit
          cross state adventure.

          Approximately  425 miles long, the tour will average around 60
          miles a day.  The  route  is  challenging  and  designed  with
          experienced riders in mind.

          The  cost is $285 and includes transportation from San Jose to
          the start of the ride in Columbia and from  San  Francisco  to
          San  Jose  at  the end of the tour, plus all camping fees, six
          dinners and two breakfasts, sag support, gear  transportation,
          a souvenir water bottle and a T-shirt.

          The  tour is limited to 100 cyclists. Entries will be excepted
          on a first-come, first-served basis.

                  For a brochure and registration form call:
                                   408/629-2852
                  or write to:
                                Sierra to the Sea
                                483 Madison Drive
                            San Jose, California 95123
                     1993 brochures will be mailed in January

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides,rec.running,rec.food.veg,rec.backcountry,rec.travel
From: dbrus.Unify.Com.jenny@unify.uucp (Jennifer Zheng)
Subject: China, anyone?
Reply-To: dbrus.Unify.Com.jenny@unify.uucp (Jennifer Zheng)
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 02:48:40 GMT

Greetings,

I'm going to travel around China sometime between December and April, and
am gathering various info about winter traveling in China.  In particular,
I'm interested in your (miserable or wonderful) experience in China
(preferrably in winter) as a vegetarian, a cyclist, a backpacker,
a runner, and/or just a lone traveler; tales not found in travel
books for sale. :-) I'm most interested in less traveled or remote
places, not the touristy traps.  But any story will be welcome.

Also, recommendation of your favorite books on (traveling in) China
will be highly appreciated!

Please don't post, as I won't be reading them.
I'll be at jenny@unify.com or (619)649-3576 through mid December. 

Carpe Viam!
--jen

PS. I'm planning on a solo adventure.  But I don't mind encountering
w/ strangers.  If you might be traveling in China sometime between
January and April, don't hesitate to drop me a line.  I won't have
an itinerary (almost useless in China), so I'll be quite spontaneous
(and impossible to locate :-).

B. Jennifer Zheng       Ride thy bike; run thy race.                        ||
Another century, another paradise.               ---  __~o      ~o          ||
jenny@unify.com         (916) 649-3576        ----   _`\<,      <|\         ||
6/18 down, 18/2 to go!                          --- ( )/( )     / >         ||
From: pck@dde.dk (Peter C. R. Kristensen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Guide to Bicycle Touring in Europe
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:55:44 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S

bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:

>I have updated this guide with new and correct information.  I would
>appreciate any comments from the net.

>Thanks,

>Bruce
>bruce.hildenbrand@eng.sun.com

>--------------------------- Cut Here ----------------------------------
>Anyway, most of the bicycle shops in Europe are not as well stocked as their
>US counterparts.  Most shops only carry one or two brands, hence, their
>selection is atrocious.  Chris Wiscavage said that most shops don't build
>wheels very well and looking at the shops, I would believe it.  Don't get
>me wrong, I am sure there are some very fine bike shops in Europe, but it is
>a good idea to come prepared for just about anything.

In Denmark, most of the bike shops are very well equipped, so if you
want to take a rest from the mountains, and try another kind of
landscape you're welcome !!

>Except in big cities, everything in the towns shut down from 12pm(noon)
>to around 2-3pm.  This means markets, banks, basically everything you need.
>Restaurants are open, but a big meal is a no-no.  I found it was better
>to buy food at a super market in the morning and just munch a bit about
>every 2 hours.  Typical road food was fruit(bananas, nectarines, peaches),
>cookies, candy bars and bread.

I don't know what you mean about a big meal. Whereever I have been in
France or Italy, I have eaten very well at noon, and if you have the
money for it, try the *** (three stars) marked restaurants in the 
Michelin guide for restaurants, and you will have an experience for lifetime.

>I'm not a big food gourmet.  For dinner, I stick with the basics.
>Spaghetti, lasagne, pizza, veal, croutes.  If you try something exotic
>and your stomach gets upset, you won't be able to ride.  If you are
>looking for good food, get some recommendations before you leave or be
>prepared to swig some Pepto.  As we say in America, "If you can't pronounce
>it, you best not eat it".

Well, a lot of cities and towns in Europe have McDonalds, Burger King,
Kentucky Fried Chicken, you name it and you got it!

>I find everybody pretty friendly.  In most countries, the people attempt
>to speak English once you attempted a conversion in their native tongue
>(especially the French).  Try to respect the native customs.

In Denmark, you don't even need to try to speak Danish. Most of the
people speak English, and would like to exercise it on a real person!

>Beware of national holidays.  Once I was out of francs in France during
>Bastille Day, not pleasant.

Well, the 14th July is for the French as the 4th July is for you
Americans.

Have a nice trip

Peter
-- 
Peter Roboz Kristensen                         Telephone:  Int +45 42 84 50 11
Application Program Development                Fax:        Int +45 42 84 52 20
Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev, Denmark     E-mail:     pck@dde.dk
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 12:37:09 EST
From: Cheryl Lynn Lavertu <LAVERTU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Need help with trip.
Distribution: world

If you're lucky, Jobst will see this post.  He has a great list
of things to take on a long bicycle trip, if I'm remembering
correctly.   Good luck on your adventure!!

  "WORK TO EAT,                  Cheryl       ~~~O
       EAT TO LIVE,                             /\_,
         LIVE TO BIKE,                      ###-\
             BIKE TO WORK"                  (*) / (*)