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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:57:13 EST
From:         jc-s <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Homosexuals in the Military [Jay]

        Kerry the other says a buncha stuff about what the military does:

>What does an army do? It kills people and breaks things.
>
>WHY would those who oppose the values held by a group--militaristic,
>even "macho" values--want to JOIN that group in the first place?
>
>The same holds for ANY group that uses its public offices to denounce
>the values of the military, yet demands the right to enter that
>same military.

     People join the military for any number of reasons. I would guess
     that the last reason people join the military for is to kill
     and maim and break people and things.  I would also assert that
      people join the military to gain a heightened sense of committment,
      and honor to oneself, and country. How can a heterosexual man
      be any more committed to himself, and his country, than a woman,
      or a gay man?

      Kerry then goes on to be so worried about the safety of
      these "sodomites" (hey, isn't that a mineral?):

>And we have not even *touched* upon the very high degree of *extra*
>personal danger a sodomite (to be behaviorally accurate) puts him/herself
>in by offering to engage in combat with a foreign enemy!
>No.  Our far more likely adversaries tend to come from cultures in
>which, if you are a heterosexual male, you will only be tortured to
>the extent that you are a prisoner (bad enough).  But if you are in
>any other way perceived as "different" to your captors--a woman, perhaps,
>a "pervert" (make no mistake--in most Arab, Asian, African, and Southern
>European nations this behavior is not only considered immoral, it is
>ILLEGAL, sometimes a capital offense)--you are not just a prisoner,
>you are a toy.  Cruelty knows little sympathy, and cruelty animated
>by repugnance knows none at all.

      Soooooo.....maybe Jews shouldn't be allowed to join the military
      either then.  Don't want them to fall into the hands of
      the arabs, do we?  oh, and maybe we shouldn't allow Catholics
      to join the military either...You know how some of those Irish
      protestants feel about catholics...and while we're at it, i don't
      folks of german descent shouldn't be in either, i mean, we are
     allies with Israel and all.

>
>And don't tell me that modern, high-tech warfare obviates the possibility
>of personal contact.  We are not going to fly over Serbia and drop
>bombs and leave.  We will have to go in on the ground, hand-to-hand,
>face to face.  And it's just plain stupid to endanger the lives of
>soldiers by sending in choice targets with them.  It's harsh, but it's
>true.  War is like that.

      Folks who join the armed forces know what they are getting into.
      They take that chance. Don't cloak your own insecurities about
      other people's differences in concern. It doesn't become you.

>--NINAR Kerry

                          jenna

ps  the marine was just in here and he said that folks who
join the armed forces do it because they have "self esteem problems".
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