HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ekdug@b56vxg.kodak.com (JHCox)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: HELP: How to make BOLD a color in Motif
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:30:00 GMT
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester NY
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm not sure if this is a Dec$Windows question, a DEC Motif question or a TPU
question, but since this is the only group dedicated to one of the three, I'll
try here ;-).

I'm running TPU out of a DECterm on a VS3100 with Motif.  I don't have the 
/whatever=Decwindows option activated (I spend enough time in a location where
I have only VT340 access that I don't want to develop two sets of editing
habits).   

My problem is that finds and replaces flag the characters in bold print - but 
it's the same color as all the rest of the text.  On the VT340, the flagged
characters were in a different color, which certainly made them a lot easier
to find.  

I've found the references to BOLD as an attribute (along with UNDERLINE and
REVERSE) to control how the 'hits' of searches should be flagged, but have
found no way to define what BOLD means.  Is there any way to make it imply
displaying the 'hit' with one of the ANSI text mode color sequences?

If so, setting BOLD to the equivalent of CSI 1;33m would be the best of all
worlds - seems that VT340's ignore the 33 while DECterms ignore the 1 so the
behavior is similar on either display (at least this worked in .com files that
were using SGR commands).

Any thoughts?

Thanx
JHCox
From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: DEC press releases
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:59:13 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

In article <1992Oct6.082349@mccall.com>, tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot) writes:
> DEC routinely posts press releases to the net in biz.dec, as well as mailing
> them to a large number of people.

It beats what I do now, which is to log into the electronic store and
download the interesting ones.

Go for it.
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: DEC press releases
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 08:23:49 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


DEC routinely posts press releases to the net in biz.dec, as well as mailing
them to a large number of people. I don't know how many VMSnet users receive
biz.dec. Is there interest in creating a group within VMSnet to carry this
traffic? vmsnet.announce.dec occurs to me as a possible name. We might even be
able to get it to be cross-posted with biz.dec, so that there would be no net
increase in traffic to sites that already carried that group.

I haven't talked to the DEC people that do this yet, I wanted to see if there
was interest from here first. Of course, if you all already get biz.dec, there's
no need to do this.
--
Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>                   The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
From: gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: politically incorrect newsgroup on vmsnet?
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:35:08 GMT
Organization: Mitech Corporation, Concord MA

Is it now politically incorrect to use the newsgroup vmsnet.decus.lugs?

Sure has been quiet lately.
From: nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk (Neil Readwin)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: politically incorrect newsgroup on vmsnet?
Date: 3 Oct 92 11:50:00 GMT
Organization: Micrognosis, London, UK.

In article <2962@mitech.com>, gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette) writes:
|> Is it now politically incorrect to use the newsgroup vmsnet.decus.lugs?

If my memory serves me correctly then about 65 of the 68 postings in that
group were part of the the, errm, flame war that erupted when it was
created. Traffic related to the stated purpose of the group has always been
light. Of course it could be that people have been using Distribution headers
properly and so I haven't seen much in the way of announcements from groups
in the US. However, long experience of Usenet tells me that this is unlikely
:-) Neil.
-- 
 Phone: +44 71 528 8282  E-mail: nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk
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From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: politically incorrect newsgroup on vmsnet?
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:33:03 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <2962@mitech.com>, gjc@mitech.com (George J. Carrette) writes:
> Is it now politically incorrect to use the newsgroup vmsnet.decus.lugs?

Not as far as I am concerned...

-- 

Jeff Killeen - DECUS NLC Chair | Email:killeen@eisner.decus.org

DECUS is the user group for folks interested Digital Equipment style computing.
The NLC is the national council for DECUS's Local User Groups - come join us!
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: oetting@gldfs.cr.usgs.gov (rm139 ext61639)
Subject: Networked chess machine
Organization: GNUs Not Usenet
Distribution: gnu
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 15:26:41 GMT

I have a design for a multi-node networked chess machine using 
asynchronous message passing in a multi-level hierarchy (ie: like internet).
If there is enough interest in this group for work in this direction I would be 
glad to share it with you.
 
	Dan Oetting  <oetting@gldfs.cr.usgs.gov>

Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: cracraft@ai.mit.edu (Stuart Cracraft)
Subject: Mike Nymann?
Organization: GNUs Not Usenet
Distribution: gnu
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:49:55 GMT

If Mike Nymann is on this list, please respond by
calling me at 714-583-3772. I can't reach you by
email.

Stuart

Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: rstewart@ganglia.megatek.com (Rich Stewart)
Subject: mail server?
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:10:51 GMT

Is there a mail server which I can get gnu chess from?
(Or can someone mail me a copy?)
Thanks.
-Rich
rstewart@megatek.com
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: cracraft@ai.mit.edu (Stuart Cracraft)
Subject: What people are telling GNU on ICS currently...
Organization: GNUs Not Usenet
Distribution: gnu
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:38:20 GMT

Stu tells you :  hurry
EyE tells you :  what computer are you
andrew tells you :  are you human or program ?
observer tells you :  are you a computer?
Ranj tells you :  mate!!
falcon tells you :  Are u a master too
Stu tells you :  pleae try Geraldo.
edjohn tells you :  I was trying to win on time and kept messing up. thanks
Wood tells you :  thanks
terry tells you :  are you?
Fields tells you :  Care to play?
Sugar tells you :  Sorry, not enough time left for me
Mason tells you :  sorry for the interuption...
Mason tells you :  Thanks again...   (for the lesson)  :)
matt tells you :  its usual to agree a draw in that sort of position
Qsupov tells you :  thanks
TwoTone tells you :  Impressive, it that an auto reply?
Qsupov tells you :  hmmm... just like gnuchess :-)
Camruin tells you :  Interested in a game?
Ender tells you :  game in 30-25?
am tells you :  game?
ChunLi tells you :  wow...are you human?
spartak tells you :  Registered Standard match in 60 requested with Gnuchess
spartak tells you :  Hello
kevin tells you :  oops...I meant e3.  Never mind.
Stein tells you :  game?
Tigran tells you :  Quieres jugar conmigo?
robinson tells you :  how do you move so fast?
falcon tells you :  are u there
falcon tells you :  I thought u r a machine
falcon tells you :  T
Tuvasvoir tells you :  my legal is off let me start again
Tuvasvoir tells you :  are you a computer ?
Mankan tells you :  Gongratulations
Mankan tells you :  what is this
eve tells you :  great.
Stu tells you :  thanks for playing my program.
will tells you :  thanky ou
Admiral tells you :  shut up!
Admiral tells you :  Are you for real?
Translucent tells you :  THPTH.

Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: cracraft@ai.mit.edu (Stuart Cracraft)
Subject: People's Personal Comments to GNU on the Internet Chess Server
Organization: GNUs Not Usenet
Distribution: gnu
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 03:03:10 GMT

laura tells you :  good game
Tuvasvoir tells you :  very fast ...
Ringo tells you :  Who are U?
gspot tells you :  thanks
glen tells you :  it's a draw, surely?
glen tells you :  the time factor no longer matters?
AntS tells you :  black might have tryed Nf4 instead of a5...
venu tells you :  where r u from ?
KID tells you :  ??
Buse tells you :  can you help me a little?
Mari tells you :  a game?
Eye tells you :  you still there ?
Eye tells you :  got distracted by an important conversation`
observer tells you : 
oliverm tells you :  "That was a good game...I got go bye bye..."
jdh tells you :  thanks for the game
Ranj tells you :  Are you a machine?
onlooker tells you :  match in 11 requested by gnufour
andrew tells you :  maybe you will try to beat gnufour ?
onlooker tells you :  Unregistered Blitz match in 9 requested with gnufour.
onlooker tells you :  type match to accept or decline to refuse
gin tells you :  whew what a game
gin tells you :  mouse mistake!
will tells you :  hello
will tells you :  are you there ?
will tells you :  hello
Chinnery tells you :  game? 10 min?
Chinnery tells you :  game?
Chinnery tells you :  thanks for the game ... some of those moves were lagged a fair amount ... slow connection
KID tells you :  holdon sec having giics problems...
KID tells you :  rrrmmm
AntS tells you :  are you alive?
todzo tells you :  are you a computer?
falcon tells you :  what will happen to our game.
aktivist tells you :  you had to trade queen for my pawn and then promote your pawn
falcon tells you :  Hi what happened in our game yesterday
mmilat tells you :  nice move Ne3
kiwi tells you :  are you a machine?
Translucent tells you :  care for a game of 5-min?
mmilat tells you :  playing a move
giomu tells you :  who are you
Rex tells you :  Are you there?
Rex tells you :  Helloooooooooooooo
Rex tells you :  Anybody home?
Macey tells you :  game?
EkDoTeen tells you :  10
anand tells you :  what happened?
Ruy tells you :  : are you there?
Ruy tells you :  : I adjourned the match as soon as i realized you lost connection.
jonah tells you :  are you really as good as they say?
has tells you :  Your clock is running !
has tells you :  What's with your first move, Iam still waiting !
onlooker tells you :  ?
jonah tells you :  make me an offer I cant refuse
Mayor tells you :  that was quick
Mayor tells you :  how about if it is unregistered?
Mayor tells you :  are you a computer
cihan tells you :  this is embarrasing if you're not a computer but are you a comom
From: gerbaudo@jorasses.inria.fr (Pascal Gerbaudo)
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Subject: .zip
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:09:44 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

I have took gnuchess as a file 'gnuchess.zip'.
What is the .zip format, and how can I transform this format in executable one.
From: alight@EJV.COM (Alan Light)
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: USA distrib test from ALIGHT
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:53:12 GMT

Distribution: usa

This is a usa distribution test

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From: sebr@iro.umontreal.CA (Sebastien Racine *Rocker*)
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: test
Keywords: none
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:47:41 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

test ford.
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From: widmer@zzz.pe.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Thomas Widmer)
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: test
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:32:00 GMT
Distribution: gnu.gnusenet.test
Organization: Dept. of Precision Machinery Eng., The University of Tokyo,
	Japan.


test
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The University of Tokyo, Hongo 7-3-1, Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 113, JAPAN
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From: dominik@perm.geologie.uni-freiburg.de (Dominik Ulmer)
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: test
Date: 3 Oct 1992 12:54:27 +0100
Organization: "Geologisches Institut, Freiburg, Germany"
NNTP-Posting-Host: perm.geologie.uni-freiburg.de

Just a test
From: alight@ejv.com (Alan Light)
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: A test from ALIGHT
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:33:02 GMT

This is a test from ALIGHT.


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From: widmer@zzz.pe.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Thomas Widmer)
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: Re: Testing newly installed gnus 3.14
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:27:52 GMT
Distribution: gnu
Organization: Dept. of Precision Machinery Eng., The University of Tokyo,
	Japan.


reply test

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From: jtc2261@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
Subject: Test
Date: 27 Sep 92 10:52:26 GMT
Organization: New York University

Well, here it goes...
Will it work?
Nobody knows.
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:17:51 GMT

In article <HmeRRB19w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
> Burble burble?  If you define a Macintosh as "any machine containing Apple
> ROMs", then yes, they do.  But that's about as sensible as defining an IBM PC
> as "any machine running MS-DOS".

I think what he's getting at is that you can't buy those ROMS unless you get a
Mac wrapped around them. If you're getting an upgrade or a replacement, you
have to send the old ones back.

> How do you know they don't want to sell the Mac OS without the hardware? 

They've stated as much in as many words.

> They seem to be willing to sell it to Radius and Outbound.

I beleive they're actually buying complete Macs and cannibalizing them. That's
what other vendors have had to do.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   "Segodnja volka obnimal?"
  'U`  
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Making Mach build with non-CMU tools (suggestions)
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:31:04 GMT

In article <STEINARB.92Oct4172851@hagtorn.idt.unit.no>, steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang) writes:

|> One of the files in the docs/notes directory of mach.cs.cmu.edu
|> mentions that the Mach people at CMU are working on moving the
|> Makefiles over to a format usable by a freely available Make (The OSF
|> ODE Make based on the BSD-Reno Make from the).
|>	...
|> Do the changes necessary to the CMU Makefiles to make them work
|>     with the ODE Make (or the GNU Make for that matter), and nicely
|>     ask CMU to start using these Makefiles in their distribution.
|> 
|> Suggestion 2 is the most desirable solution. It is however a biiig
|> job. It is not "fun" enough that anyone ever is likely to sit down and
|> do it for free, which means that some company or organization will
|> have to pay someone to do the work.
|> 
|> The question: is who is going to do it? CMU don't have any incentives
|> for the time being. OSF? FSF? I don't know.
|> 
|> - Steinar


OSF RI has already done this work for the Mach 3.0 (NORMA) microkernel
and OSF/1 single server, we use ODE as our day to day build environment but
generally to build for i386 AT architectures (AT, COMPAQ SYSPRO, COROLLARY).
This work is available to OSF/1.0 licencees.


I can appreciate the amount of work required to convert all the platforms CMU
build to the ODE environment [Mary Thompson detailed some of the problems
she'd encountered in her Email to you of the 10/01].  Extensions to ODE are
needed for some platforms and cross compilation is not supported with the
version we use.  I can't realistically see CMU wanting to support two build
environments while they convert.


David.


David George
OSF RI
Grenoble, France

Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: mayr@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Herwig Mayr)
Subject: 64 bit arithmetics on 32 bit architecture
Organization: RISC, J.K. University of Linz, Austria
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 11:33:53 GMT

The subject says it all -- I am looking for a fast
routine for doing 64 bit arithmetics on a 32 bit architecture
(particularly the division). Is there good PD softwre available?

herwig
(mayr@risc.uni-linz.ac.at
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd
From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the free Unix projects
Organization: Weber State University  (Ogden, UT)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 04:03:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.193229.18258@meaddata.com> sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams) writes:
>:terry@icarus.weber.edu writes:
>: > o	A "media charge" of $30 is not unreasonable if CD-ROM's are used,
>
>$1500 for the first 100 CD's, mastered from Tape (8mm or dat).
>About $3 for each after that.
>
>A 'One off' costs $200-500.
>
>A complete mastering system costs $20000+ (Plus I assume you have to
>get them pressed at some place big, don't know.).


I will add 1000 copies of a piece of paper to go in the front; I'm going to
assume it's black and white and that Aztec or Kinko's does it for me (I'm
hypothetically broke after buying the mastering system and can't afford a
photo copier).  Assume $.03 each (3 cents).  It's worth it to avoid the
phone calls asking "how do I use this?".

1000 CD's at the lowest figures listed for each step above:

Mastering system:	$	20,000
3 "one off" for beta:	$	   600	(3 Beta's is *very* conservative)
First 100 CD's:		$	 1,500
Next 900 CD's:		$	 2,700
B&W paper for front:	$	   300
				______
		TOTAL	$	25,100

Per CD cost:		$	    25.10

Assume high "one off":	$	    26.00

This all assumes that there is no production loss and the "+" on the $20,000
means "and some cents".

What did I say again?  Oh yeah:
>: > o  A "media charge" of $30 is not unreasonable if CD-ROM's are used
Maybe next time I should "show my work"... 8-).

The mastering system is used to take data and lay it out in the correct
file format; it has a "CD Emulator" (2 disks) and a DAT drive for writing
the master, plus all hardware and software to deal with the creation of
the master tape.  This is not something you can do without unless you
work somewhere that already bought one and they will miraculously let you
use it, or you own the company (volunteers, anyone?).

The assumptions about 1000 disks may be wrong; I kind of doubt it; I think
the number of people buying CD ROM drives to do 386BSD or Linux would be
smaller than that; however, if they are wrong on the low side, the cost of
the mastering system amortized out over a larger number of CD ROMs *would*
drop the cost.  2000 would drop it to 14.05/14.50 depending on Beta costs,
again, assuming no production losses.


					Terry Lambert
					terry@icarus.weber.edu
					terry_lambert@novell.com
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From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the free Unix projects
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:30:06 GMT
	<BRUCE.92Oct5110747@suprenum.uxb.liv.ac.uk>
	<FRIEDMAN.92Oct5223325@nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
	<1992Oct6.081114.28892@u.washington.edu>
Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
In-reply-to: tzs@stein.u.washington.edu's message of 6 Oct 92 08:11:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.081114.28892@u.washington.edu> tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>OK, back to our universe.  It's probably too late for anyone to become
>a software billionaire, but suppose FSF operated in a for-profit manner
>for several years, and then switched back to free-mode?  Would the net
>result, say, 20 years from now be better or worse?

   It's hard to say.  What is easy to say is that the ends do not justify
the means. 

   If the FSF can only be successful by selling proprietary software, then
we've defeated ourselves.  Our aim is to demonstrate that you do not need
to sell proprietary software in order to survive. 

   On the other hand, the FSF is also a nonprofit organization.  There are
lots of things we don't do to maximize profits (such as sell support), and
a charitable organization asking for donations is nothing new. 
Xref: sparky gnu.misc.discuss:3187 comp.sys.mac.advocacy:755
From: peltz@cerl.uiuc.edu (Steve Peltz)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:17:49 GMT
Organization: Computer Based Education Research Lab - University of Illinois

In article <1992Sep28.111751.13586@NeoSoft.com> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>I think what he's getting at is that you can't buy those ROMS unless you get a
>Mac wrapped around them. If you're getting an upgrade or a replacement, you
>have to send the old ones back.

One thing I'm puzzled no one has tried doing is buying copies of
MacWorks Plus from Sun Remarketing, which (somehow or other) got
rights to it from Apple. They sell a lot of old Mac equipment,
including the Lisa (Mac XL), which is what you use MacWorks on.
It is a complete ROM image, fully compatible with the version of
the ROM in a Mac Plus (which is still reasonably compatible with
most software). Back when I owned a Lisa, I looked at the load file
format, and I think it would be pretty easy to write a bootstrap
loader that would work with a (legally, reasonably cheaply bought)
copy of MacWorks. Note that it also comes with a copy of the Mac
system software. It would probably work on any 680x0 machine, with
only minimal patching, although something with memory mapping would
probably be necessary (020 with MMU or 030 and up). The Lisa had a
homegrown MMU, and that might be the only significant patching required.

Now, this wouldn't be freed software, but it could vastly undercut
Apple's monopoly on their ROMs. I'd also think that someone could
come up with most of what is in the ROMs, and make it compatible
with most programs (possibly with the exception of Microsoft and
Apple programs, notorious for using undocumented features). Before
System 7, many/most programs came with versions of the system on
the distribution disk, and that's where a lot of the "Apple look and
feel" is (in the system software, and in the applications that are
designed to run on a Macintosh). They surely can't claim they are
violating their own supposed copyrights.
-- 
Steve Peltz
Internet: peltz@cerl.uiuc.edu	PLATO/NovaNET: peltz/s/cerl
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: sjg@dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Simon Gornall)
Subject: Re: "official" FSF position on apple
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:38:42 GMT
X-Posted-From: dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <w4TLRB19w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:
|> sfuller@tamsun.tamu.edu (Steven Eric Fuller) writes:
|> > In article <1992Sep18.222551.28385@uwm.edu> anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Anthony
|> > >There is of course, no such thing as a Macintosh compatible.  
|> > Yes there is. Another Macintosh.
|> 
|> Which is more than you can say for PCs...
|> 
|> Anyway, there is such a thing as a Macintosh-compatible non-Apple computer. 
|> The Outbound laptop is one, and the new Radius plug-in multiprocessing board
|> is another.
|> 
|> 
|> mathew

Yup - and also those Atari-ST users who run Spectre GCR. They're probably the largest group
of Mac cloners.

Simon