From: abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Let's hit Nazis?
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:20:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan22.102038.19657
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1993Jan22.051717.1@vxdesy.desy.de>, godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.214455.19647@husc3.harvard.edu>, 
> abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
>> Boris Kuschel>> I bet no one of you read a book that disputed the Holocaust.
>> I don't blame you, because they are not let in the bookstores. Guess who is
>> responsible for that? [...] Some of this "evidence" that you people spew out
>> is just plain false.
>> 
> I have read parts of several such books, and a number of pamphlets etc.  They
> are garbage, without exception.
> 

So what? I think most people in Germany in 1924 thoght that "Mein Kampf" is 
garbage. And it is a garbage...

>> If you will commit a crime should I tell court names of all people who did it
>> before? We are talking about Germans and Jews, why should we talk about USSR,
>> China, US Maines, Cambodia, England of 19-th century at the same time? I am 
>> not triing to compare, I just don't understand why?
> 
> Agreed - no court would modify its sentence because the accused is able to 
> provide a long list of others who have committed the same crime.  Come now 
> Victor, I think you do understand why our friend wants to keep talking about 
> atrocities committed elsewhere.
>

Well there might be different reasons. But I understand what do YOU mean. In
this case the answer is: "I hope no".
 
> Now that this thread has plateaued (or bottomed out if you wish), we start
> to see rather too clearly where the two sides are coming from, and I am no
> longer having the slightest difficulty in demonstrating that my original
> allegations were indeed correct.
> 
> Laurence

Well demonstrate it to me. I still do not agree with you. Boris Kuschel is
would be good for SS but you shouldn't forget that there are tens of thousand
people who are reading soc.culture.german and only few hundreds who are posting
messages. And Boris for my knowledge didn't have enough guts to show his
oppinion openly and send message to newsgroup. He send me private email. If he
wanted to make me sick, he succeded, but it does not mean that everybody is the
same. 
Now what was your point? Let's begin with our disagreement. If remember right 
you wanted to devide Germany. I am against it for several reasons.
1.MORAL
I think nobody on the Earth could destroy 80,000,000 nation for the sake of a
future. ANY nation. I am not even telling about German culture, science and so
on. I just think nobody have such right. If such thing has to happen it has to
be God's decision, not mine. Allies didn't have such right even in 1945. Now...
Well, lets suppose you right and Germans are the most arrogant people. Is it
enough to destroy a nation?
This reason is the main for me. However it seems you think that European 
nations have such right. We might discuss it. But I want to show you other
reasons. 
2.IMPOSSIBILITY
If you think that is easy to assimilate Germans you *very* wrong. Stalin tried
to assimilate comparably small nations with incredibly harsh manners. And he
never succeded, even though Soviet Union was a huge country. 
Do you think it was possible to stop unification of Germany? I think only if
you are ready for WW3. 
So if it is impossible what are we talking about? There are so many things
which are impossible...
3.WILL IT HELP IF GERMANS WILL NOT ASSIMILATE
I thing one of the main reasons of WW2 was the fact that Allies after WW1,
trying to make Germany weaker diminished territory of Germany. More then
10,000,000 Germans lived abroad by 1933.
a)It helped Nazis to get a power.
b)Unfair treaty with Germany was one of the reasons why Allies didn't stop
Hitler before he was strong enough to begin a war.
c)These 10,000,000 Germans helped Hitler to get Chechoslovakia without a war
and gave good excuse to begin a war with Poland. 
4.WILL IT HELP IF GERMANS WILL ASSIMILATE
Then their traditions, upbringing and so on would be the same but these
Neo-Nazis would say: "What are you talking about? We have nothing to do with
Holocaust. We are not Germans. We are Poles." Would it make you happy?

With what we do agree.
MANY Germans who answered you ARE arrogant. They might put you in <kill file>
but they have no right to abuse you as they did. Congratulations! You are the
most popular person in soc.culture.german. I think that subject of 50% of 
messages should be changed for "Now let me spit on Laurence". I fill sick of
this compain. I fill also sick that your opponents are defending Germans mainly
saying that "nobody knew a thing", that average Germans hated Nazis, that was
done is done simply because "humans are cruel" and so on. I remember that when 
Lech Walensa visited US he said smth like: "There were no Antisemitic feelings 
in Poland before WW2, there were just few pigs". And this is why it is the same
Antisemitism in Poland now, even though Jewish comunity almost perished. And 
your opponents are using the same logic as Lech Walensa. My experience shows me
that these is a good start for a next purge. I could see that they have
different oppinions but prefer to unite against you. This exactly what Hitler
used when he began his compain against Jews. I don't agree with the oppinion 
that Germans should be as interested in British slave-trading as with Holocaust
even if they were born after 1945.
I should have to say in the beginning that I don't know German and I have never
been in Germany.
                              Cordially
                        Victor   Abkevich        
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