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From: hartlemp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Michael P Hartley)
Subject: Re: Been to Arkansas lately?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:14:47 GMT

In article <1bc1ejINN867@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:
>In article <BvvwCG.MrH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hartlemp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Michael P Hartley) writes:
>>IMHO:
> >
> >   I just returned from a trip to Ark. and would like to let those who haven't
> >been there know what 'Clintonomics' has done.  It seems the most flourishing 
> >businesses are flea markets.  All the antiquated farm equipment reminded my 
> >folks of what they used back in the 50's.  There were abandoned houses and 
> >farms all along the back roads.  It may be true that there has been a growth 
> >of jobs in the state, but they must be $2/hr stuff.  
> >
>
>Yes I spent over a week there in Sept. I got the other impression, 
>construction was going on everywhere, the number on businesses building
>offices and factories was a sign of a state that was atracting new business.
>The trip through Texas (my State) was more depressing to me. Arkansas was 
>very clean and the people I met in small towns were very friendly to us.
>We also went hiking for 5 days, every area we visited was very clean
>and well maintained. The Buffalo river was also very clean and unspoiled
>unlike most places I have hiked. Arkansas has done a good job of promoting
>it's self as a nice tourist location, hiking, fishing, hunting and many
>other things to do. We drove the backroads highways and went into the 
>cities. Over all I liked what I saw, every state has some problems 
>but I think Arkansas was a very nice place and I will go back again.
>The people of Arkansas I talked with had a positive attitude and most
>all supported their Gov. and they don't take very well to being called
>a failed state. 
>

   The major industry of Ark., other than cotton, is tourism.  That is not
a sound basis for an ecomony.  During difficult times, it is one of the first to
go.  I agree, most everybody we met were friendly, but I would disagree that 
they supported Clinton.  Wasn't there a recent poll that said Clinton would
most likely loose Arkansas (I don't remember where, when, ect... and may be 
wrong, like most polls).  

-BTW. I'm from northern Min., so I can compare the unspoiled areas to some of
the best in the US, and Ark. doesn't even come close. 


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From: lyman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kenneth Casey)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:49:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.011054.9346@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.211821.21462@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (R. Keith Norwood) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct1.235033.27150@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:
>>
>>[ Complaints about tribalism deleted]
>>>
>>>I'm so sick of being treated like a criminal in the country I was born
>>>(Canada) simply because I'm white.  Boil me a melting-pot.  This
>>>"mosaic" garbage is a noble idea but is only a fine example of simple-
>>>minded idealism.  That is, itself, a crime greater than anything Hitler
>>>could have ever done.
>>
>>Sounds like a bunch of white guilt to me.  It must be tough living up to 
>>the demands of every other tribe.    Why don't you take David Duke's
>>advice and form your own whitey tribe for WASP only.
>>
>	Am I supposed to blow up into a firey red rage about this or
>	what?  The whole point is to eliminate tribalism (however
>	variously defined) within a single nation.  Why then would I
>	support white tribalism?  I consider myself above that.  What
>	insults me is when I get called a racist because I don't want
>	to hear from the 900 million cultural leagues which pollute 
>	and nullify nationhood.  How can you have a nation when it's
>	only the white population that must bend to suit other groups'
>	right to exist and prosper.  Best not to have groups.  It's 
>	best to just accept that everyone is equal to each other 
>	because they all have the same status in the nation.  Once you
>	start divvying the whole into parts, what's to say that one
>	part isn't "better" or has "more rights" than any other?
>
>	These are things that have and will continue to occur.  
>
>C. Armour-Kidson
>cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca
>

	You miss the point. The American culture is not a neutral entity.
	to date, it has been defined primarily by white Western European
	males. The fact that they were the first of the huddled masses
	to crawl ashore does not give them the right to enforce their
	cultural biases on the subsequent immigrants. We need to build
	a society that acknowledges the right of people from different
	cultural and religious backgrounds to bring their values to the
	table as we create and continually re-create American culture.
	The whole point of this place is that no one culture owns it.
	That may be its fatal flaw if we can't learn to live together,
	but the jury is (happily) still out on that.
	No Americans, regardless of their background, are devoid of
	the baggage of the culture of their ancestors... even if 
	they can't perceive the roots of their own values. If that,
	to you, is "tribalism", so be it. Just be sure you recognize
	your own tribalism, and don't ask others to join your tribe.

Lyman@casbah.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.correct
From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
Subject: Re: Legislation of morality
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 03:56:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.172300.18481@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>Pay attention.  I was trying to show you that annecdotal examples are 
>NOT good enough to make claims by.  I was trying to show you that just 
>because some stupid criminal heterosexuals beat up on gays that is no 
>reason for the gay community to fear all heterosexuals.  Get it?  
>kinda like (get ready, I'm going to try to use my former example to 
>clarify this one more time) white people whould not be afraid of 
>black people (or vice versa) just because a few blacks beat up a few 
>whites.  There.  Got it?
>
>And by the way, why is it always liberals who resort to name-calling?  
>I have my own theory.  When your point deteriorates, you get frustrated, 
>and call names.

YOU were the one talking about "homosexuals being so heterophobic."  I
said that I'd talk to you about heterophobia when gangs of young gay
men attacked hetero couples.

You were the one to bring up heterophobia.  So, cite some examples.

I can give you some examples of homophobia:

(1)  continued exclusion of lesbigay people from the military.  When
lesbigay people are outed, even though they've done fine jobs, they're
still forced out of the military.

(2)  criminalization of sexual acts between people of the same sex.
This occurs in nearly half of the states in the US.

(3) clearly anti-lesbigay proposed legislation in two states, Oregon
and Colorado.  These say that being homosexual is perverted.

(4) continued bashing of lesbigay people by various religious leaders,
ranging from American Roman Catholic bishops to the likes of Jerry
Falwell.

(5) continued bashing of lesbigay people by the leaders of the GOP.

(6) continued resistance to protection of jobs, housing, parental
rights, etc. of lesbigay people on the basis that including lesbigays
as a protected minority gives them "special rights."

(7) the firing of lesbigay people for no other reason than they are
lesbigay.

Now, for your examples of heterophobia??  

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: ==> Dan Quayle: Attack Puppy Unleashed
X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:53:10 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:56:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.155448.4795@desire.wright.edu> Stupendous Man,
demon@desire.wright.edu writes:
>	#!%*)U#!.  This is the fourth time you've posted this!!!

And you still don't get it!!!!

>
>	We are not made of money you losers!!!!  This is why so many people
>distrust the Democrats with money!!!
>
>	Spend spend spend spend.  I guess that's what happens when you're using
>other people's money.

Since George Bush and Ronald Reagan are the biggest spenders in history,
this is hypocritical clap-trap.

>
>Brett                                                      
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When the going gets wierd, the wierd turn pro
                               Hunter Thompson
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad R. Berthelson)
Subject: Re: CNN is not a good reference for Gore's Caribbean vote
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:20:21 GMT

PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:

>In article <1992Oct14.232218.4816@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>>	CNN was wrong.

>     Heresy!


Did anyone see Jane Fonda in the control booth?  Or is this just an
ugly rumor?

Chad


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: groenvel@brown.crayola.cs.psu.edu (John D Groenveld)
Subject: pat's speech
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:38:47 GMT

First of all, I'd just like to say that yes I am LAZY and that was the
reason why i posted to this group in the first place. When I post to
comp.lang.c++, Ido so hoping that a good c++ programmer can answer my
question in laymans terms so that i dont have to search through every 
c++ manual in the library. I assume that the c++ programmer has replied
because he knew the answer of the top of his head or had the info within
arms length. 
Second of all, I'd like to thank those of you who did respond to my post
I found the exact quote I was looking for and even some background on
the term he used "cultural and religious war". I hope no one spent too
much time on my question for as I said in my original post I am not
writing my dissertation, but simply researching for a friendly debate.
Thanks for the help
John 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Subject: Re: Bill, Moscow and the KGB
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:13:54 GMT
Organization: Austerlitz, Gershovitz, and Carmichael

Jim McMaster writes:
>John R. Moore writes:
> 
>>
>>I believe that this trip, to the capital of the enemy, during a war,
>>while part of a group protesting the war, needs to be fully explained.
>>--
>>John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
> 
>WOW!  Talk about a little distortion here!
> 
>1)  When have we *ever* fought against the Soviet Union?  

Well, we did invade Russia at the end of World War I. Maybe Clinton
was there then.

-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu>
Nobody knows, from sea to shining sea, why we are having all this trouble
with our republic.
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From: vjrao@owlnet.rice.edu (Vinay Julapalli Rao)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The lie Al "did not" Gore can not deny
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:40:17 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Oct15.174936.3636@csrd.uiuc.edu> saarinen@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sirpa Saarinen) writes:
>demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>
>>	Al Gore was indeed pro-life, then he switched to pro-choice.  After the
>>debate (NBC?) waved a letter he wrote to someone who gave him a chunk of change
>>saying how proud he was to be pro life.  Gag.
>
>>	So much for that "did not" denial :).
>
>George Bush was indeed pro-choice, then he switched to pro-life. 
>
>So much for that "trustworthyness."
>
>I guess the only one of the candidates who always has had the same view
>on this matter is Mr Quayle. Opinions change according to the polls, who
>is supporting you and according to who is paying you. Isn't politics easy?
>
>Sirpa Saarinen
>saarinen@csrd.uiuc.edu
>

Although both Bush and Gore may have flip-flopped on the the abortion issue,
doesn't Gore's denial that he ever flip-flopped on the issue question his
"trustworthiness"? 

-- 
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Vinay Julapalli Rao         vjrao@owlnet.rice.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: sulkanen@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov (Martin Sulkanen - NRC/ES65)
Subject: Re: Job Creation (Arkansas vs. USA)
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date:  8 Oct 92 14:24:52 GMT

Cessna@kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark T. Evert) writes:

>In article <47895@shamash.cdc.com> rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes) writes:
>> This morning on the TODAY show, Katie Kouric (sp?) was interviewing James
>> Carville from the Clinton Campaign and Charles Black from the Bush 
>Campaign.
>> Mr. Carville said that according to Bush's Secretary of Labor, Lynn 
>Martin, in the
>> last two years more jobs had been created in Arkansas than in the other 
>49 states
>> put together

>I wouldn't argue that there are more jobs in Arkansas now than 2 years 
>ago.  The tax burden and general low cost-of-living certainly have a lot 
>to do with it.  But to call it "Job Creation" is a misnomer.  Most of the 
>new jobs that came to Arkansas were from companies that were fleeing high 
>tax, high cost of living states.  In essence, they were substituting eager 
>low-paid workers in Arkansas for the higher paid workers they laid off 
>elsewhere.   Other low-cost-of-living, low tax states have had the same 
>thing happen, but some have had major job losses in some sectors such as 
>energy which have offset this.  Examples are Texas and Louisiana .

[tax discussion deleted]

>Mark T. Evert
>Friendswood, TX

During the primaries NPR did a piece on Clinton's claims on job growth 
Arkansas. They did substantiate the claim about strong growth, but 
also mentioned that the jobs did not seem to produce a commensurate 
growth in per capita income. The reason: most of the jobs that came
to the state were low-wage jobs, like the infamous chicken gutting
plant. Is this what he has in mind for the country?

Martin Sulkanen
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections
From: emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff)
Subject: Re: Bill, Moscow and the KGB
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:17:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.104124.4911@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
>In article <MATT.92Oct12130546@physics.berkeley.edu> matt@physics.berkeley.edu writes:
>
>>> No to both of the questions. The problem is the same old thing, character,
>>> or lack of it. Why is Clinton not answering questions about Moscow honestly.
>
>>What questions are there to answer?  Clinton went sightseeing in
>>Europe during his Christmas vacation, and one of the places his tour
>>went to was Moscow.  
>
>Well there is a bit more to it than that. Several independant and very
>liberal people (hardly Bush supporters) say that Clinton organized anti-
>US protests there.
	
	Be careful about what you say, it's a character issue (the accuser's?).
Clinton participated in (and may have organized) anti-war protests in England,
not Moscow. England isn't even part of the continent of Europe, technically. 



Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: forbush@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: RE: state by state poll
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:10:17 GMT

Arkansas is AR not AK.
From: spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Constitutional Questions, and liberalisms....
Date: 10 Oct 1992 15:38:48 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
Distribution: usa
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Keywords: Followup to alt.politics.clinton

In article <BvwtuJ.1LH@rice.edu> kossack@owlnet.rice.edu (Jordan Marc Kossack) writes:
>	Wow!  You mean that "Affirmative Action" quotas were   
>   a Conservative invention?!?  And all these years I thought ...  

Sure.  Preferential hiring for white, European, males has been the law
for a long time now.

And quotas?  You bet.  100% white, European, male.

							spl
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,alt.politics.correct,alt.sex
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: AIDS
Followup-To: alt.politics.correct,alt.sex
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:12:05 GMT

Followups cut down somewhat.

In article <1aqmlvINNnvd@gap.caltech.edu> anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
>Yes...ANYONE can get it. AIDS doesn't care if your balck, white, gay or 
>straight. 

Neither does a rampaging rhinocerous or a lightning bolt, but I don't
let those low-probability events affect my life, either.
-- 
ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
ajax crypto-analyzer -- warning! remove all chicken bones first
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