HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jon@DIALix.oz.au (Jonathan Kitchin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,alt.sources
Subject: silly.tar.Z
Date: 21 Dec 1992 13:31:46 +0800
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dialix.oz.au
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #1


I got this file 'silly.tar.Z' from the 'alt.sources' group
but the Coherent 'lex' did not like it at all,the file biffa.l
that is. So it was no use but the file 'belief.c' compiled OK
and this had some laughs in it.
Has anyone else tried it in Coherent 401?
Jonathan Kitchin (jon@dialix.oz.au)

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: ray@rgm.com (Ray Mendonsa)
Subject: RSAREF, RIPEM, or PGP ported?
Organization: RGM *nix - Sacramento, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:14:15 GMT


Has anyone ported any of the above packages to Coh yet?

If not, I gather the key would be untangling the ANSI'isms in the code.
Does anyone have a sample makefile that implements unproto successfully?
It would be a good starting point.  Also what version of unproto works
well with Coh?

Thanks from someone who gets quickly bored of doscp'ing files around
just to read them.  :-)

Happy new year!
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: schwaigr@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Jim Schwaiger)
Subject: Re: Cheap keyboard?
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:39:12 GMT

I have observed a similar problem with the keyset, which curiously 
enough is on a 40 MHz 386 system.  The very same keyboard works fine
on my 33 MHz 486 system, and the 386 system (and the keyboard) work
fine in every other respect for DOS applications.

Not sure where the problem is, although I have speculated that it
may be in the BIOS.

Jim
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: van@teal.csn.org (Claude W. Van Horn)
Subject: wnews install ??
Keywords: news vn wnews newsreaders
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 06:22:41 GMT

I have been trying in vain to install the installable version of
wnews on my Coherent machine.  I am not a seasones Unix user or even a C
programmer, so I understand I may have some problems fiddling with this,
but would appreciate any suggestions. 

Durring the install program, I get to the point of putting in the machine
name and site for news feed -- all is going fine -- then the install
shell attempts to unbatch the sample news programs and cannot do it right.
Might I have an incorrect setup on compress() or something?  

Compress and uncompress seem to work ok on other programs , but I have no
way to verify the operation with the newsreader.  Also, do I have to put
/usr/spool/news into the Permissions file for the feeding site?  I did not
see anything about this in the DOCS??

Thanks -
Van!!
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: Where did our FAQ go?  Should we have a new FAQ admin?
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:57:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.162218.27210@wariat.org> sjsobol@wariat.org (Steven J. Sobol) writes:
>H.C. Pulley (hcp@csx.cciw.ca) wrote:
>: I haven't seen the FAQ for a long time.  I have mailed it to a few people who
>: requested it over the last few months but have not seen a copy in this group.
>: 
>: Mike (mike@array.com), are you still with us?  Mike is/was the FAQ maintainer.
>: 
>: We should get a new FAQ out soon.  There never really was a Coherent 386 FAQ 
>: since Mike had his motherboard die before he could look at Coherent 4.0.  He 
>: said he was getting new motherboard but we haven't heard from him since 
>: September, I think.
>: 
>: Does someone want to maintain the FAQ?  If no one else volunteers, I volunteer
>: myself.
>
>I can do it if you want.

OK Steve, it looks like you have the job if you want it.

How often should we post the FAQ?  I have had a suggestion that we post it
weekly instead of Monthly since many questions are repeatedly asked.  Maybe a
compromise and we can post it bi-weekly?

Let us know when you will be able to accept FAQ submissions.  It would be nice
if we could start the new year with a FAQ in the group, even if it is just the
old FAQ for now.

Harry
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: lwall@netlabs.com (Larry Wall)
Subject: Re: Floating point: printf "%g" bug?
Organization: NetLabs, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:16:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.130028.27444@csx.cciw.ca> hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley) writes:
: I am sure you know, but just like there is 1/3 = .3333333..... in decimal, 
: there are non-repeating numbers in binary, octal and hex too.  Numbers which 
: repeat in one system, may not repeat in another.

Certainly, but the integers that were used should be represented exactly
in almost anybody's floating-point format.  Either %g is busted, or
the cast from integer to double is busted.

Larry Wall
lwall@netlabs.com
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Timing less than 1 second 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 22:30:27 GMT

Tim Frost (tim@rcsl.demon.co.uk) wrote:
[...]
: >BTW, what is the PANEL Plus II screen manager?
: 
: PANEL Plus II consists of a screen layout designer and user interface 
: manager which produces screens for C applications portable across DOS, 
: Windows, OS/2, Unix (many flavours) and VMS.  It handles data entry and 
: validation, menus and scrolling regions, etc.  The next release will have 
: Coherent support in the included full library source.  I don't know yet 
: whether we will make a "PANEL Plus II for Coherent".  The problem is that 
: though our product is not really expensive ($495 per development user, no 
: royalties) it appears to be expensive when compared to Coherent itself. We 
: cannot produce a "cheap" Coherent version because this conflicts with our 
: policy of making the price platform independent.  Do any other tools vendors 
: have a view about this?

Thanks for the informations.
I think it's a good idea to add COHERENT support in tools and applications.
COHERENT is going on to become a serious development platform for SV,
I wrote several programs at home under COHERENT which are running now
on $100000 systems which I can't effort. So if a tool could be used under
COHERENT to develop software for the expensive systems I would buy it,
if I have the need for. Why should I buy a $100000 system to run a $495
software, if I could do it under my $100 COHERENT?
Of course you can't expect that those running COHERENT for learning UNIX
or just for fun buy such software. But I think people developing software
for SV would buy it.
This is only my personal opinion.
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From: fredex@fcshome.UUCP (fred smith)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Coherent's messaging facility
Keywords: message ftok msg ipc
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:22:29 GMT
Organization: What?!? Absolutely none!


I've recently been working on a program that uses Unix's message
facilities, and it uses a function named "ftok()" which we don't
seem to have in Coherent. It is used to get a key (or handle) for doing
inter-process messaging, apparently.

I can easily use some integer instead of a runtime-generated key, but
there must be a PROPER way to do this. I can think of using the
results of getpid(), or one of the time functions, but I was hoping
that someone else could tell me the correct way to handle this on
systems that lack ftok().

Fred

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: Cheap keyboard? 
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 20:11:41 GMT

In article <725296546snz@mallard.demon.co.uk> mike@mallard.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <9212241845.23@rmkhome.UUCP> rmk@rmkhome.UUCP writes:
>
>>In article <725222948snz@mallard.demon.co.uk> mike@mallard.demon.co.uk writes:
>>
>>>You're right - I've just tried the other keyboard with my new
>>>machine and it makes no difference. I guess it must be BIOS,
>>>although the other machine has an AMI BIOS too. My new machine's
>>>BIOS is also AMI, but slightly more recent (and no "advanced
>>>chipset setup" options).

Now this may be a red herring since supposedly this problem only shows up under
DOS due to fast A20-gate switching, but I thought I would bring it up anyways:

What is at the end of the BIG BIOS serial number when the machine boots?  For 
the latest keyboard BIOS (for AMI) there should be the letters 'KF' or at least
an 'F'.  With earlier revisions of this BIOS, I have heard that there are 
problems with the keyboard in protected mode due to the A20 gate.  Earlier 
versions include 'KA', 'K8' and 'KD'.

Does your machine have a 'Fast A20 gate' option in CMOS setup?  In the article
that discusses the A20-gate problem it says that setting this option should 
always be done; it may make the problems go away.

For anyone interested, the article is "Exorcising the A20 poltergeist" by Mark
J. Minasi in the "Beyond DOS" column of the August 1992 issue of Bytes (pages
293-4).

I wonder if the 'cheap keyboard problem' is an entirely different and 
unconnected phenomena?

>>The problem is in the keyboard.  Coherent uses alternate keycode set 3 for
>>the virtual consoles.  Cheap keyboards often neglect to include this set.
>>
>>I have a Northgate Omnikey/101 keyboard which works just fine.  It cost
>>$95 with tax.  You get what you pay for.
>
>In this case, why does my father's 386sx25 run Coherent with
>virtual consoles, but his keyboard on my machine doesn't? Surely
>the problem cannot then be with the keyboard. Similarly, the new
>keyboard on my machine works OK on my father's machine with vc's
>but not on mine.

My keyboard came as part of the package deal of my old 286 which I have since 
upgraded to a 386.  This keyboard works fine with virtual consoles.  It is a 
"Lite-On" keyboard; do you consider that a brand name keyboard?

Harry
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From: magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Why no ANSI C compiler?
Date: 25 Dec 92 08:44:58 GMT
Organization: DarkTower Software
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Greg Comeau (comeau@csanta.attmail.com) wrote:
: In article <9212135427@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
: >There is one rule to programming you will learn very quickly:
: >THERE ARE NO STANDARDS WHEN IT COMES TO C
: 
: That is most certainly an overstatement.

Is it?  Show me two compilers that will interpret a reasonable length program
in the same way.  And if you're interfacing assembly language inline
with the C, optimizations and legal register usage is a nightmare. But sticking
just with the ANSI specs for the language, there still is a lot of stuff left
up to the implementer.

: >C++ is even worse.
: 
: I'll disagree strongly.  C++ has and will always continue to be more standard
: than C.

???? 1) There is no ANSI standard for C++, and 2) most C++ compilers don't
to the current Cfront spec. But, maybe you're right...I dunno.

: It won't be cfront 3 compatible.  Various aspect of it will be up to date
: though.  Of course there is Comeau C++ (literally cfront 3, currently being
: 3.0.1'ized on our other platforms, and to be 3.0.2'ized 1Q93), but as I just
: mentioned in my previous message, we have been awaiting resolution of a number
: of problems from MWC for quite some number of months now.

But who would pay >$200 for a compiler on a $99 OS?  The point is this:
most people have Coherent as a hobby/homework system.  If they were willing
to spend a couple of hundred on a second-company compiler, they would
probably be willing to spend a grand on the OS.

Maybe your market research knows something I don't.  I wish ya luck with
it, but I'm not so sure it will fly.

-Louis
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From: poirierj@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Jacques Poirier)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: building perl4-035:malloc.c:identifier caddr_t is not defined
Date: 29 Dec 92 06:14:02 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


	Took a shot at building perl 4.035 from prep.ai.mit.edu., and
	can't get further than compilation of malloc.c.   Error is:

	malloc.c:identifier "caddr_t" is not defined

	I used coherent 4.0.1, coherent cc, bison 1.18, gnu make 3.62.
	Anyone care to indicate a solution?  Should I use another
	malloc?
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Support for hardware floating point - when?
Organization: Messina Software
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 22:18:28 GMT


Quick question for MWC - since Coherent practically begs to be used 
in small financial offices, are there any plans to add support for
hardware floating point? 

t.


Xref: sparky comp.os.coherent:6472 comp.os.linux:21887 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:34277
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.linux,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Anyone interested in an intelligent serial board?
From: dave@yarc.uucp (Dave Rifkind)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 05:44:20 GMT
Reply-To: dave@yarc.UUCP (Dave Rifkind)
Organization: Yarc Systems
Keywords: RS-232 serial interface

In article <1992Dec27.055652.412@yarc.uucp> dave@yarc.UUCP (Dave Rifkind) (that's me) writes:
>You'd better make that FIFO *really* big.
>
>I have an Intel SatisFAXtion/400.  When working as a modem, it acts like
>a 16450 except that it has an approx. 64K byte input buffer.  I still
>can't uucp without lost data.  There's something much more seriously
>wrong than just long interrupt latencies; you're not going to overflow a
>64K buffer without working at it pretty hard.

I didn't notice where I was cross-posting when I wrote this item.
Thanks to those who sent me mail, but I should have made it clear that
I'm talking about a Coherent problem.  Those of you running 'real' OSs
can now snicker to yourselves and go back to what you were doing....
;-)
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: newgrp bug (was: Is there any hope left?)
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 12:31:47 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1993Jan2.052714.28037@netcom.com> messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes:
>Oof!  It's been running for 28 hours now after I gutted my machine
>and replaced just about everything except the case.

What did you end up replacing to get it working?

>Anyway - has anyone noticed that newgrp ignores shell spec in
>/etc/passwd and execs sh always?  Since i have my ksh environment
>nicely set up, that kinda screws me up and I have to manually exec ksh
>then.  

1. newgrp is set up as an alias by ksh which just does an "exec newgrp".

2. newgrp has /bin/sh hardwired in.

>Anyone has any ideas?  I just tried it on the SCO box here, and it works
>just fine (execs ksh, as I want it to).
>
>(To be quite honest, i would find the BSD way of not having to run
>newgrp the best of all).


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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: d10590@tanus.oz.au (Robert Chalmers)
Subject: FAQ
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 11:15:07 GMT

I might add, the old FAQ contains a lot of errorenous data, including my
spelling, about my site. I am a monthly MWC mirror site. 386DX, 130MB, 2 FDDs
and 4MB ram. and am setting up an uucp driven newsfeed for anyone that wants
to call in, I have wnews running and can delive \deliver on an irregular basis
internet newsfeeds.
Bob
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From: dfp10@thor.albany.edu (D Parsons)
Subject: Explaination of Gnu C/C+ compiler (djgpp)
Originator: dfp10@thor.albany.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 20:05:27 GMT

Having recently set up Desqview /X windows I thought I would install the 
djgpp DOS version of the Gnu C/C+ compiler. I origially used an ANSI
compiler that came with a book course. I find its mixed DOS/Unix 
commands very tricky so I am looking to see if anyone has written a sort
of tutorial for it. I could not find in the doc files any statement of 	
ANSI compatibility -does anyone know about this? Don

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Colorado Systems - Conversation
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:51:40 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <Bzs5A7.B0B@trc.amoco.com> zgeo0a@hou.amoco.com writes:
>In article 01GSL54CYYEA8WW85Q@delphi.com, GREGL@DELPHI.COM (Greg Law) writes:
>>For what it's worth, I paid less than $200 for a Colorado tape drive,
>>which is significantly less than a SCSI tape drive of similar capacity.
>>If I had an infinite budget (as some of you seem to profess you do), I
>>I would have a 486DX/2-66, 2GB SCSI drives, a SCSI streamer, and Interactive
>>UNIX. But I, like many others, do not have infinite budgets so we buy what
>>we can afford.
>>
>>And what difference does it make whether or not the tape is so fast it
>>smokes on a backup? I perform all of my backups late at night while I'm
>>sleeping, so I could care less if it takes 10 minutes or 6 hours. Besides,
>>it does the job very well thank you and I applaud MWC for developing drivers
>>for the QIC-40 and QIC-80 drives. . . I suspect these are the drives most
>>folks will use with Coherent because they are priced in a league with
>>Coherent -- inexpensive.

>I second everything he said.

The problem that I have seen, with systems running DOS, is that the user
backs up his system to a floppy controlled tape.  One day, perhaps months
later, he decides to reload from the tape, and the tapedrive chokes and
returns a "can't read tape error".  One guy I know, who does freelance
CAD work, solves the problem by doing redundant backups to 2 tapes. Sometimes
one tape will work and sometimes it is the other.

Floppy tapes are not reliable.

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From: root@rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Slow IDE perf. fixed!
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:53:28 GMT
Organization: RWSYS Exporter BBS system

kestas@lith.UUCP (Kestutis Sliupas) writes:
> Hi:
> 	I would like to report that mkfs on my IDE drive increased
> the performance 4-500%.
> 	
> 
> 	I want to thank the following people, in no particular order,
> for their help and advice:
> 	norm@mwc.com            (Norman Bartek)
> 	bob@dalek.mwc.com       (Bob Hemedinger)
> 	abner@mwc.com           (Abner John Snell III)
> 	doug@htrails.mwc.com    (Douglas Peterson)
> 	and anyone else who I missed.
> 
> 				Regards, Kestas
> 
>  Kestutis Sliupas            x  (510) 231-1540 (work voice) 
>  kestas%lith@infopro.com     x  (510) 231-1285 (work FAX) USA CA  
>  kestas@infopro.com          kestas%lith@uunet.uu.net 
> 

And thank you Kestas for posting this news. This is very good indeed.
Randy
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: Why no ANSI C compiler?
Organization: Keith's Computer, Hope Mills, NC
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 04:36:41 GMT

In article <9212235958@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>Greg Comeau (comeau@csanta.attmail.com) wrote:
>: In article <9212135427@drktowr.chi.il.us> magus@drktowr.chi.il.us (Louis Giliberto) writes:
>: >There is one rule to programming you will learn very quickly:
>: >THERE ARE NO STANDARDS WHEN IT COMES TO C
>: 
>: That is most certainly an overstatement.
>
>Is it?  Show me two compilers that will interpret a reasonable length program
>in the same way.  And if you're interfacing assembly language inline
>with the C, optimizations and legal register usage is a nightmare. But sticking
>just with the ANSI specs for the language, there still is a lot of stuff left
>up to the implementer.
>

Okay, GCC, SCO (MSC 5.0), and the AT&T compiler will compile most all of
my code.  Incompatabilities (if any) are generally in the header files. 
As for ANSI, *PLEASE* yes.  K&R is fine, but with the proliferation of
ANSI code with prototypes it can be a paint going down.

[c++ stuff]

>But who would pay >$200 for a compiler on a $99 OS?  The point is this:

Well, folks have been paying Microsoft *WELL* over $200 for Messy-DOS
implementations of languages like 'C', COBOL, BASIC, ad nauseum.

>most people have Coherent as a hobby/homework system.  If they were willing
>to spend a couple of hundred on a second-company compiler, they would
>probably be willing to spend a grand on the OS.

See, here's where your making a mistake.  DEVELOPERS spend a few hundred
on the compiler so that they can write inexpensive solid apps for the
inexpensive Operating Sytems the hobbiest/homework folks have.

>
>Maybe your market research knows something I don't.  I wish ya luck with
>it, but I'm not so sure it will fly.

Someone SERIOUS about development of applications will not quibble over
$200, on the otherhand,  joe hobbiest gets a *FREE* simple compiler with
the OS to begin with.  There are always hobbiests who also like to have
Top notch tools to work with.
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