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From: jls@mbunix.mitre.org (Segal)
Subject: Eastern Skiing
Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:32:02 GMT

In defense of Eastern Skiing:

1.  I can get to Killington in 3 hours.  I can't get to Utah or 
Colorado in three hours.

2.  I can go to Eastern areas every weekend and not merely wait for
a one week opportunity.

3.  Eastern skiing offers a level of challenge not readily available
in the west.  Western experts get their jollies jumping off of cliffs.
Eastern experts merely head for "the Outer Limits" on an icy day.

4.  The average day of skiing in the west doesn't vary that much.  If
I can ski and enjoy a trail at Vail today, the odds are good that I 
will be able to do so again tomorrow.  In the east, there are days
that Blue squares can ski like black diamonds and vice versa.

I think this variability is particularly disconcerting to the 
intermediate skier who can feel secure out west but not in the east.

P.S. Can anyone confirm that Killington is opening today?
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Subject: Re: Man-made snow
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898)
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:15:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: L.A. Dept. of Water & Power


>Actually, I do.  I'm just curious if others have noticed this "problem" with
>the "wonderful" man-made stuff.  It seems to me that it actually reduces the
>quality of the times of the year when "pretend" snow isn't needed...

Absolutely no doubt about it, natural snow doesn't stick very well at all
to that impermeable crap they call man made snow.  I always get a kick out
of the ski brochures that tout the supurb quality of their man made snow,
how its even better than the real thing!  

The wierdest snow I ever skied was at Vail.  It was about -10F and bone
dry.  Usually when they blow snow it comes down sticky and quickly
congeals to form impermeable(tm) but this stuff had the texture of
table sugar.


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From: knight@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Bob Knight)
Subject: Re: MPG & Re: roof racks ?
Keywords: Taos kayaks
Organization: Barton Automation, Santa Fe, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 15:07:09 GMT

In article <5762@versant.COM> dk@versant.COM (Dan Koren) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.213635.13064@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>>
>>4)  I can drive from Boulder to Taos with 2 kayaks and get the
>>	same mileage as when I drive there with NO roof racks
>>	on the vehicle.
>
>What do you do in Taos with the kayaks ?!?
>
>I assume that's Taos, NM, right?

Sand running (as opposed to river running)...it's big over here in the
desert.  Rough on the kayaks, though.

Bob

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From: ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern)
Subject: Re: Reminiscence (was My Favorite Falls, episode N)
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:24:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.112701.28982@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
 
> Our Explorer Troop had decided to take up skiing as a winter activity.
> One of the big department stores downtown (Gimbels, I think) was having
> a 'clearout sale' on ski stuff, really cheap, so we all bought sets.
> Was Army surplus, and (I now realize) not 'downhill' stuff at all, but
> it worked.  Heavy, much-too-long wooden skis, with screwed-on metal
> edges, painted white.  Heavy metal beartrap bindings.  (Quick release?
> No way, was hard enough to get out of them at all.)  Clunky leather
> boots.  (Hey, at least you could walk in them.)  And, there we were,
> trying to learn to ski on them.  Amazingly, some of us did.

Ah, yes.  Our neighbors had three daughters, the youngest a few years
older than I, and I got hand-me-down ski equipment for my first
try at the sport.  ("Much better than renting it, and if you like
it you can keep the equipment.") It sounds like I had a similar
outfit:  the boots were plastic, though, not leather, and each had seven
metal buckles that my hands froze to whenever I put the boots on or
took them off.  I was also given wooden skis with beartrap
bindings.  Although my bindings were the opposite of Paul's -- they
released every time I turned -- I managed to survive and even
enjoy skiing enough to spend some actual money on real equipment.

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From: jwl@otter.hpl.hp.com (John Lumley)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:07:13 GMT
Subject: Skiing == Driving in Scots Law
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

You may be interested to hear about a case last week in Scotland
where a skier had his driving licence revoked for dangerous
skiing.

Last winter he was nabbed by the police for reckless driving,
being towed at 25mph on his skis behind a car on snow covered
roads (a bit like skijoring I think). His excuse was that he'd
had so little real skiing he had to take any opportunity.

Last week he was tried, (in a magistrate's court), found guilty,
awarded 3 penalty points on his driving licence and had it revoked
for 12 months under a totting-up procedures with other offences.

You have been warned about how the Scottish legal system views
reckless skiing !


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From: va@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (vasile.aghinii)
Subject: looking for afordable lodging, Gray Rocks area
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 13:18:26 GMT

for a family vacation around Chstmas.

- any ideeas ?

thanks,

bill aghinii
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From: kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Snowboard info: Boots, brands, etc
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:26:35 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Anyone have any comments on the use of Hard boots vs. Soft boots for 
Snowboarding?
 
I am planning on upgrading from my Cruiser 165 with soft boots to something
better.  Any ideas?
 
Kevin
 
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From: dk@versant.COM (Dan Koren)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: MPG & Re: roof racks ?
Summary: Why kayaks?
Keywords: Taos kayaks
Date: 27 Sep 92 05:35:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Versant Object Technology, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1992Sep23.213635.13064@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>
>4)  I can drive from Boulder to Taos with 2 kayaks and get the
>	same mileage as when I drive there with NO roof racks
>	on the vehicle.

What do you do in Taos with the kayaks ?!?

I assume that's Taos, NM, right?


dk

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From: susswein@anrchy.cxo.dec.com (Steve Susswein)
Subject: Has anyone tried the new Kazama coulouir telemark ski?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, Co
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:12:20 GMT


I just got the new MEC winter catalog and saw that Kazama has come out
with a new telemark ski called the coulouir.  It's wider and has more
sidecut (19mm) than any other telemark ski on the market (except alpine
touring skis), and looks like it could be a really nice powder ski.  Has
anyone skiied on it or heard anything else about it?

Steve
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: In Defense of Texas Skiers!!
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:31:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Oct02.210938.21092@bnr.ca> mhoyt@crchh47.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael Hoyt) writes:
>
<lots of TexasSelfAgrandizemant Deleted.

>Eat my tracks and remember the Alamo.
>
The alamo was LOST--Remember ;-> 

>Shread-Head.
>
Being an Idahoan You cannot possibly be as annoying, loud, rude, and DUMB
as _some_ of the texas tourists we deal with in CO. The main reason most of
them have their names engraved on the back of their belts is so they know
who they are when they pull their heads out of their arses. Sorry 
Texans who have manners and class, y'all hide too well.
From: wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: The Great Killington-Keystone Shootout - Follow-up
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:36:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1992Sep27.173633.21650
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

>   ......  Gee, didn't we once read that the steepest, longest,
>   Expert run in the east was "THE OUTER LIMITS" at Killington? 
>   Sounds like another battle.  We have skied neither.  Any

As someone who grew up (at least as a skier) on the slopes of
Vermont who now makes at least one pilgimage to the western US or Canadian
slopes each year, I should point out that almost every one of the
15-20 western areas I've been to have trails (well, places that people
ski, at least :-) ) that are longer and considerably steeper than
Outer Limits. But Limits may be more difficult (it is certainly
more dangerous) much of the time: whenever the temperature is low
enough, they always make snow there, and the blown snow has an even higher
moisture content than natural eastern snow, so it quickly gets skied
into what easterners call packed power and the westerners call ice. 
Furthermore, TWO high capacity chairs (both quads) serve Limits and 3
other trails, so the trails are dangerously (IMHO) crowded--and a lot
of the skiers there don't look like they belong, so they stand around
a lot or go down the slope somewhat out of control. Don't forget your
rearview mirro on Limits :-)

As for other trails in the east, there are some that are steeper,
but not for as long a stretch. One at Mt. Snow, which used to be called
Slalom Glade but was renamed Freefall is steeper, but only about 1/3 the
length; I'm pretty sure that there are other steeper (but shorter) ones
at Stowe, and possible Hunter (K2 was supposed to be the steepest several
years ago).

Bill Hery
AT&T Bell Labs
201-386-2362
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From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen)
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:09:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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> 
> Punch a hole in the bottom, slide the bag over your head and down to
> your waist, and secure it with a belt.  When the rain stops, roll the
> bag up underneath your jacket to get it out of the way.
> 
> 					--Lowell Skoog
> 					  Seattle, Washington

If you trim the edges of the head and arm holes with duct tape, one garbage
bag will last the whole season.  But you might have people dropping trash
down your neck.

Keith Emmen
kde@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
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From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Subject: Alpine Touring Skis for sale
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:10:20 GMT


Alpine Touring /Randonee Ski Gear for Sale:
-Hagan Alpina skis, 180 cm, in good condition
-Silvretta bindings
-Dynafit Tourlite boots,  extremely light  (size 11-11.5)
-Coll-Tex mohair skins, the best
	Cost $700 new (on sale & with package prices)  asking $425
	If interested,  reply via e-mail or call Dave @ 206-528-5765 (Seattle)
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:08:46 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <323@mindlink.bc.ca> John_McKercher@mindlink.bc.ca (John McKercher) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to wear in the way of a ski pant
>for those rainy days when it is important to stay dry? The pants I wear during
>the cold weather would not be bad except that at the start and the finish of
>the season they are just too hot to wear. So what do all you people wear?
  
O'Neil's (the inventor of the wetsuit) makes ski pants as well as wetsuits.
They are the only thing that I've found that will always keep you dry when it's
raining.
  
>--
>
>John_Mckercher@mindlink.bc.ca
>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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>towns.  But I find myself a stranger to all communities and belong to no
>settlement.  The universe is my country and the human family is my tribe.
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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re:Skiing in the Rain
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:09:14 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

    Some years rain is the predominant condition
in New England, so you pretty much have to ski
it to get that full Yankee experience. Staying
dry is only important to yuppies who will buy
expensive color coordinated gore tex attire :->
Actually I've heard a lot of people in gore tex 
say that in rain it only delays the inevitable,
rather than eliminating it, so I saved my money
and got some $25 wind pants at Beans (OK so I'm
a swamp yuppie...) and a lined poncho at a depart-
ment store and they do a pretty good job.
In wicked big rain it's sometimes hard to see,
but the softened snow makes up for it. I must
confess, though, that I hate it when the chair
stops for an extended period in the rain. Got
stuck on one for about 15 minutes in a humongous
downpour at Sugarbush once and were it not for
Yukon Jack & lime juice we might not have survived.
The best part about rain, though, is when the
temperature drops 25 degrees that night, ensuring
a bumper crop of good ole' New England Blue to
practice carving on the next morning. MMM MMM, 
can't wait.

                            jc in me.

ps; before you laugh at my ski clothes keep in mind
that the money saved allowed me to buy my first
pair of tele skiis at a yard sale yesterday. Next
topic : spreading my poncho over a thule rack to
make a rain shelter....
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing == Driving in Scots Law
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:18:32 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <1330023@otter.hpl.hp.com>, jwl@otter.hpl.hp.com (John Lumley) writes:
> You may be interested to hear about a case last week in Scotland
> where a skier had his driving licence revoked for dangerous
> skiing.
> 
> Last winter he was nabbed by the police for reckless driving,
> being towed at 25mph on his skis behind a car on snow covered
> roads (a bit like skijoring I think). His excuse was that he'd
> had so little real skiing he had to take any opportunity.
> 
> Last week he was tried, (in a magistrate's court), found guilty,
> awarded 3 penalty points on his driving licence and had it revoked
> for 12 months under a totting-up procedures with other offences.
> 
> You have been warned about how the Scottish legal system views
> reckless skiing !

Guess Snowboarding behind my Bronco on a snow covered road isn't a good
idea then.  Oh well, just have to board off the roof or find somewhere else
to "play"

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From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David G. Simmons)
Subject: RE: moving to New Mexico
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:12:23 GMT


In article <29SEP92.17384915@enh.nist.gov>, hudgens@enh.nist.gov writes:
|> In a previous article, von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley) wrote:
|> 
|> >>  [other good info deleted]
|> > 
|> [ other info on Los Alamos Deleted ]
|> 
|> Pararito is not for everyone. But I think about everyone on this board would
|> like it for change of pace from Taos, Santa Fe, etc.  It's my second favorite
|> area in NM--after Taos.  Pajarito plans to add a new lift next year. They have
|> already cut several new expert runs which you can ski--but you need to ferry
|> back to the area via auto.
|> 
|> Jeff Hudgens

Almost true.  You can ski the top half of these new runs.  The lower halves
are closed, and skiing them will get your ticket pulled.

Also, Pajarito is possibly the only place in the country where you will find
folks still skiing on Head Standards.  Last season, once again, I saw someone
wearing leather lace-up ski boots and cable release bindings (I learned to
ski on those things in '67!).

:-)
-- 

David G. Simmons
	
	"Pollution is not the problem with our environment. 
	It is the impurities in our air and water." 
		--Dan "Vice-President-Rain-Man" Quayl(e)

If I said it, LANL didn't... 

-- 

David G. Simmons
	
	"Pollution is not the problem with our environment.
From: root@igahpse.epfl.ch
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: equipment suggestions: what new & Hi-tec ?
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:56:38 GMT
Reply-To: root@igahpse.epfl.ch ()
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne


		Hello ski fans !

I'll gladly hear Your comments about the latest skis. Some years ago
I've liked: Rossignol SM and Olin Mark VII. What do You recommend in
1993 ?

Cheers !

Andrew.


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From: gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Jackson Hole vs Taos Trip
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:11:03 GMT
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation

In article <agcVRB2w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky) writes:

> We usually ski at Whistler-Blackcomb B.C. or Lake
>Louise AL but are looking for something different.
>
You should try Lake Louise, AB instead.  There isn't as much snow in Alabama.

On a more serious note, I can't vouch for Taos, but I would say that 
Jackson compares favourably with Whistler and Louise.  The terrain is 
awesome, and the only bad wait is for the tram.
From: susswein@anrchy.cxo.dec.com (Steve Susswein)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:27:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd2.1992Oct6.202742.27780
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, Co


A few years ago at Breckenridge I had the dubious pleasure of riding up
one of the quads with 3 texans.  All 3 were chewing tobacco, and to keep
themselves amused on the ride up they would spit tobacco juice at skiers
skiing by under the lift.  They thought this was great fun.

And you wonder why Coloradoans hate texans?

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Eastern Skiing
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:02:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.123202.12172@linus.mitre.org> jls@mbunix.mitre.org (Segal) writes:
>In defense of Eastern Skiing:
>
>1.  I can get to Killington in 3 hours.  I can't get to Utah or 
>Colorado in three hours.
>
[other stuff...]
>4.  The average day of skiing in the west doesn't vary that much.  If
>I can ski and enjoy a trail at Vail today, the odds are good that I 
>will be able to do so again tomorrow.  In the east, there are days
>that Blue squares can ski like black diamonds and vice versa.
>
>I think this variability is particularly disconcerting to the 
>intermediate skier who can feel secure out west but not in the east.

Agreed...One of the more surprising comments I got out west this past spring
in Co. was from a woman who was jealous of us in the East. "The East Coast
seems to turn out better skiiers" she said "You guys have to deal with all
sorts of different varying conditions and learn how to ski on ice and
everything. We're so spoiled out here. It's just so easy to get spoiled and
soft in powder". What could I do but agree with her, esp. after an ego-rub
like that?  1/2 :)

---Steve
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personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: koichi@unixg.ubc.ca (Koichi J Kishimoto)
Subject: What did I buy?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:44:24 GMT

I need the advice of a techno-whiz. 

Last week, I purchased a ski package from a well known shop 
in Vancouver for CND$219.00 . The salesman was informed of 
my novice skiing skills and recommended the following package
(one of a group of four available at the time). A pick your own
deal would have cost $400 +.

1) Rossignol Comp Tri Core, 185cm long               (I'm 5ft7in, 165lbs)
    (shovel/waist/tail dimensions:- 85/66/75mm)
    (wood core, sintered S6000 base)
2) Salomon 447 bindings.

As might be expected from a package deal, the items are probably
a few years old, and certainly do not appear in 1990-1992 magazine
buyers guides. 

I'd like to discover what form of skiing these skis were designed for.
My understanding from the salesman, was that the Comp is a slalom 
ski which encouraged correct technique (difficult for a novice?). 
However, I've been informed by a fellow  skier that the Rossignol 
seems to be stiffer than Dynamic VR17s (GS skis?) which seems to 
imply larger turning radii. 

Does anyone recognise the Rossignol Comp Tri Core?

To reply by email....

koichi@unixg.ubc.ca

Cheers, 

John (what did I buy) Kishimoto
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:26:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.160815.6140@ncar.ucar.edu>
chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>I once witnessed (from the lift) a pretty bad scene on The Ridge
>of Bell, an entire family of Texans on a run way over there head
>(i.e. Run was hard black diamond & they were maybe blue square skiers).

Oh, okay, I think I get it.  The climbing equivalent is getting to
the top of the Grand Teton and meeting a bunch of people from Kansas or Iowa
or Illie and they ask in all seriousness: "Wow! Nice view.  How do we
get down?"

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