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From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: recognition
Originator: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:37:02 GMT

> This is false. Arafat has said that when there was a two-state solution,
> Israel would be recognized.

So what is wrong with that? Egypt recognized Israel in return, Israel returned
the Sinai desert to Egypt. The Palestinians wants to have their own sovereignty,
they do not want anybody ruling them.

> Sitting at the Peace table does not constitute recognition.

O.K. but the good will is there just by sitting at the peace table. If you
don't want to buy a car, or at least you are thinking about buying a car,
you don't go the car dealer and talk to the salesman.

Nabil
From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: talks.politics.mideast
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:08:51 GMT
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics

In article <1992Apr13.132614.15011@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.002009.24291@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ai726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alice Schubach) writes:
>>
>>>For your own information,if you were sleeping and just woke up, almost
>>>most of the arabs recognized Israel, otherwise they would not be at 
>>>the Peace Conference. It is Shamir's turn to get serious about it
>>>and get it moving.
>>>
>>For YOUR own information, the only Arab country that has recognized
>>Israel is Egypt. That was during the administration of President Jimmy
>>Carter, when Sadat took the daring step of going to Jerusalem to make
>>peace. The Arabs are at the peace conference, but they definitely have
>>not recognized Israel. This is simply a fact and is not a matter of dispute.
>>
>>Alice Schubach
>
>Well, I know the Palestinians did few years ago through Arafat. 

This is false.  Arafat has said that when there was a two-state solution,
Israel would be recognized, and that recognition had not happened yet.
What he recognizes is a two-state solution, not the state of Israel.
Other PLO officials have said the same thing.  These quotes have
been posted here, and I ask those who posted before to provide the 
quotes.

>The other
>arab countries recognized her symbolically by setting at the peace table. You
>know that there are certain issues to be resolved, such as the future of the 
>occupied territories, before a final settlement is made.

Sitting at the peace table does not constitute recognition. Ask Syria.  
The countries won't meet with Israel in the Middle East.  

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
From: carol@stat.tamu.edu (Carol Parzen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Understanding Ezekiel
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:01:21 GMT

My first time posting so please forgive if I don't have the proper
et
iquette.  

My jewish adult group has been reading Wiesel's "Sages and Dreamers".
I am to lead a discussion on Ezekiel this Sunday.  I have been reading,
Seltzer's,"Jewish People, Jewish Thought".  Would appreciate any comments,
thoughts to help me stimulate discussion.  I have the Jewish Encyclopedia and
have found it difficult to absorb...maybe I'll go back and give it more time.

Looking forward to hearing from somebody.  Thanks.......

Carol Parzen				Carol@stat.tamu.edu
From: broner@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Dental Floss and Pesach
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:07:25 GMT
Organization: New York University

In article <1992Apr9.201056.23658@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, jdr8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jay D Rosenbaum) writes:
> Is there anything I should know before Pesach about un-waxed dental floss?
> 
> It's a relatively new habit and I'd like to keep it, even during the holiday.
> 
> Thanks for your help...
> 
> -Jay

Jay,
	It's a great habit, don't give it up. The fact that you are using
*unwaxed* floss is great because it IS the most effective floss for cleaning
purposes, and **IF UNFLAVORED** poses no questions of kashrus (or for a married
woman, chatzitzah).
	Have a Kosher and Froelichah Pesach, and may we all be zocher to be in
Yerushalayim this Yom Tov, with the coming of Moshiach Tzidkainu Bekorov
Mammash.
With Ahavas Yisroel~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chaim
The Bottom Line: At least they're talking about Moshiach
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Interrelationship excerpts
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:24:53 GMT
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article 00017gC@engr.uark.edu, djb@dberleant.uark.edu (BERLEANT DANIEL J) writes:
> I'm still coming to an arrangement with one male Reform Rabbi, a
>Rabbi Axelrod who is with Brandeis University Hillel.  Even in this
>case, while there will be a chuppah, there won't be a traditional
>ketuba, because this will not be a marriage "according to the laws of
>Moses and Israel".  I'm a little surprised at the cost of the whole
>thing.  The total cost will be $800, which starts with a $150 donation
>to Brandeis Hillel, and also includes $150 for a scribe for the
>in-lieu-of-a-ketuba. 

What do you get "in lieu of a ketuba"?  I assume you're not referring 
to the standard marriage license.  I didn't think non-Jewish weddings 
had any kind of document other than the license.


> This is in follow-up to my earlier message.  I did some calling and
>found another Rabbi (R. Levinson) who seemed acceptable to me. He seems 
>a bit more easy-going about things in general.  (He uses an
>English ketubah, leaving the Aramaic side there, but not filled in,
>and substituting "the laws of G-d" for "the laws of Moses and
>Israel".)
>

I'm more than a little confused about all this "pseudo-Ketubah" stuff. 
Why would anyone want a fake ketubah?  What is the purpose of it?


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From: baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Rabbenu Gershom
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:46:04 GMT
Organization: Courant Institute, New York University

Hillel Markowitz writes:

>aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher) writes:

>>The Edicts of Rabbenu Gershom were issued with a duration of 1000 years.  It
>>seems to me that 1000 years are about up.  Considering that the edicts were
>>issued with changing customs in mind, is there any serious opinion to the
>>effect that they ought to be revised?

>Since the edicts of Rabbeinu Gershom have been universally
>accepted, I think that they have entered another status.  Also I
>don't think anyone considers himself (or is considered) on a level
>to revise what Rabbeinu Gershom did.

If the edicts have been universally accepted, including the 1000-year limit,
then they probably should be revised or renewed.  After all, since among
other things they prohibit multiple simultaneous marriages for men, if men
see that they can have multiple wives again, they might have incentive 
to abandon their wives more readily, leaving them agunot.

I have heard that since they have been followed for the past 1000 years,
they have become accepted custom among Israel, and thus should be followed
even though they no longer have the force of law.  This does not seem right.
They were promulgated with specific time limits, therefore when the time
limits are up, they should be no longer legally binding.  For other examples
of time-limited laws, see all those things that can only be done when the
Temple is standing.  The conditions for their fulfillment no longer apply,
so they are not binding.  So too, these edicts have passed the time of
their validity, and perhaps should be considered not binding as well.

                            Jon Baker
                            baker@robocop.nyu.edu
From: zale@isgtec.UUCP (Zale Tabakman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Hebrew fonts wanted
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:28:25 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ont.


 
 
 I just got the ATM package and I am looking for some hebrew fonts.
 
 Does anybody know where some are available? I would like sharewhare ones, but 
 I do NOT want ones which are illegal copies. 
 
 BTW, I do know about the Shalom set , (a Beutiful set) and the
 WinGreek set (I haven't looked at it yet) on cica.
 
 Zale
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or ISG Technologies, 3030 Orlando Drive, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, L4V 1S8 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
Subject: Re: Lubavitcher Rebbe's 90th birthday
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 13:41:29 GMT


Yes, I heard the NPR report.  Although it was factual, as is their
custom, I thought it made Chabad look like Nuts!  
Before anyone starts to flame me, I was aggravated by this slant, 
and disappointed in NPR.  I'm not a Chasid, but I honor their 
feelings and appreciate their sincerity.

I thought the report could have been handled better.

Paul Wolf

Have a happy and Kasher Pesach

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: horen@rs.com (Jonathan B. Horen)
Subject: Re: Jewish Students Assaulted
Keywords: Jews, Assault
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:37:19 PDT

In article <slater.703309794@envius> slater@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Slater) writes:
>
>                          Jewish Students Assaulted
>
>                            For Immediate Release
>           [N.B. This press release was written by Howard Rosenburg.]
>
[stuff deleted]
>
>	The students proceeded to explain that why they were allowed to take
>the photographs and why they wanted to take the pictures. When the picture was
>finally taken, the assailant responded by wrestling for the camera and finally
>breaking it by throwing it onto the ground. He then began punching Dubin, the
>photographer, and chasing him into the lecture hall.

Why, oh why, is it that American Jews always try to explain things? What do
they expect -- that their "powers of persuasion" will overcome the deep-seated
anti-Semitic prejudices of this guy or that? Crissakes, he's involved with all
this anti-Semitic hate literature, and they want to explain things to him! Why
not go all the way, and try to be mekarev him? Wotthehell.

>	The assailant then went back outside and punched Slater four times
>sending him to the ground.  He then tried to leave the scene claiming that
>his "civil rights of privacy were violated and that he would do it again
>[strike the Jewish students]" given the opportunity.  His efforts to leave
>the scene failed when another student verbally detained him.

And why is it that two American Jewish students can't physically defend
themselves against one abberant anti-Semite? Who was he, Arnold
Schwarzenegger's big brother? What happened, Slater's friend didn't want to
chip a nail? Didn't these guys expect that someone distributing anti-Semitic
literature would get physical?

There is really no hope for American Jews. Were these two students, in their
early 20's, stoned on crack or drunk? Had they been up studying for the past
48 hours and just had no strength left?

Dammit -- if you can't do the time, do *not* do the crime! On the other hand,
instead of opening their mouths, these two students should have opened their
wallets and taken out their credit cards.

I'm sure that a donation to whatever hole-in-the-wall organization he belonged
to would have done more to move him from the locale than all their verbal
"powers of persuasion".

Gevalt!


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: trb@ima.isc.com (Andrew Tannenbaum)
Subject: Samuel Reshevsky 1911-1992
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 18:12:50 GMT

I copy the following from rec.games.chess.  I don't have any factual
information on Reshevsky handy.  He was a champion chessplayer since
his childhood, and he remained an active world-class chess player until
his death.  He was well known and respected as a great American chess
grandmaster who was a strictly observant Jew.

	Andrew Tannenbaum   Interactive   Cambridge, MA   +1 617 661 7474

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: helios!intercal.com!hwr@tssi.com (Hanon W. Russell)
Subject: Samuel Reshevsky 1911-1992
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:48:42 GMT

It is with a sense of profound sadness and loss that we regret to
report that on Saturday evening April 4, 1992 one of the greatest
American Grandmasters ever, Samuel Reshevsky, passed away. He died
after suffering a massive heart attack while attending services
in synagogue. He was eighty years old.

HWR
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: wnbc@eng.umd.edu (Joseph S. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Jewish - Israeli names
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 01:03:22 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering

In article <167C514E5B.HSUSA00@ricevm1.rice.edu> HSUSA00@ricevm1.rice.edu (Susarla, H. Krishna) writes:
>I'm writing a story which has, as one of its characters, a female Israeli-Jew.
>
>I was wondering if anyone can provide me with some suggested first and last
>names. Of course, such a list might be endless, but I would like to hear as
>many suggestions as possible.
>
>Reply in private if possible.
>
>Thanks

Lisa Goldberg

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nadel@aero.org (M.H. Nadel)
Subject: Re: Partial Passover Product List
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:21:45 GMT

In article <FAIGIN.92Apr6141839@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>Speaking of K l'P Hechshers.... My wife noticed in the store yesterday some of
>the special coconut covered K l'P marshmallows. Since we normally pick up
>stuff like that for me (since it has no corn syrup), she picked up a bag.
>Reading the ingredients -- what did we find -- corn syrup. The plastic bag was
>special for passover, there was no and/or in the list, and the rabbi's name
>was germanic (so it was unlikely the sephardic allowance for kitniot was
>coming into play).

The problem with the marshmallows is actually deeper.  They contain gelatin
and, therefore, almost all Orthodox Jews and a significant number of
Conservative Jews do not consider them kosher.  The rabbi whose name is
on the bag is known to hold a sincere but controversial position on
the gelatin issue.

I'm personally particularly annoyed at certain bakeries which are advertising
"special for passover cakes" with tiny print that they are not kosher, have
no supervision, etc..


Miriam Nadel
-- 
"UCLA's fans are so totally mellow, nine out of every 10 have no idea where in
the world Duke University is located, or whether it was endowed by John Wayne
or named after Patty."     - Mike Downey
nadel@aerospace.aero.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: broner@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Lubavitcher Rebbe's 90th birthdaySCDOWN
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:02:11 GMT
Organization: New York University

> did anyone catch the NPR story (monday 4/13) that described how many 
> followers of rabbi scheerson were convinced not only that he IS the
> messiah but that he would ANNOUNCE that he was, in fact, the messiah
> on his birthday?  it mentioned, among other factors, that 90 held 
> special numerological significance.  the story described how many 
> children were utterly convinced that their leader was/is the messiah, 
> and raised the question of how these children might become disillusioned 
> when they discovered how they had been deceived. 
> 
> comments, anyone?
> 
> peter
> pdm@cs.uoregon.edu

What bothers you the most? That Lubavitchers believe that Moshiach is a
reality, that the Rebbe could be Moshiach, or that the children might be
dissappointed?
Moshaich is not a theortical entity, but a man of flesh and blood, who in every
generation is waiting for HaShem to allow himself to be revealed. Moshiach is
not sitting in the clouds, he is here with us now.
There is nothing new about speculating who is (or the name of) Moshiach (see
Sanhedrin 98b). So why should it bother you if Lubavitchers think their Rebbe 
has all of the virtues to be Moshiach? Don't you have someone that you would
want to be Moshiach?
As far as the children being dissappointed if Moshiach doesn't reveal himself:
Aren't you dissappointed, at this very moment, that we have been waiting for
2,000 years in this present (and final) exile and we still don't have Moshiach?
Don't you feel the pain of this golus? Why don't you yearn for Moshiach as much
as those innocent children? Please Peter, don't worry for the children, worry
for yourself.
With Ahavas Yisroel~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chaim
The Bottom Line: At least they're talking about Moshiach
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: More on the Early Sanhedrin
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 12:44:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.002627.26459@cirrus.com> chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes:
>
>>
>>So let me  propose a compromise.  I will admit  the 'possibility' that
>>there was  a Sanhedrin like body  before the destruction of  the first
>>Temple (I say  possibility, but personally I do not  believe in it for
>>various reasons),  and Shlomo will agree  as he has done,  that during
>>the time described in Esther that body was definitely an
>>
>>Michael Shimshoni
>
>In Midrash Rabba Shemot it is stated that Amiram, the father of Moshe, 
>was Av Bet-Din of the Sanhedrin in his day -- meaning that the tradition
>of 70 elders was already functioning at that time.
>
>-- Chris Metcalfe

I don't think the this Midrash Rabbah can be taken as evidence
for an functional pre-Sinaitic Sanhedrin for  several reasons.

First, most Sanhedric (admittedly a funny adjective, but it does the
job) processes are rabbinic (i.e., which judge speaks first, etc.),
and very few of the precedents the Sanhedrin might cite would be
pre-Sinaitic.

Second, it is unlikely that even such early midrashim as Midrash
Rabbah would have had access to historical sources.  Chazal's
"philosophy of history" is very different from ours.

Finally, there are other possible reasons for the Midrash Rabbah
comment on the Sanhedrin.  For example, the midrash might have
been trying to homiletically emphasize the ancient sources of
halakha, and to imply that the Sanhedrin wasn't a "recent" innovation.
Midrashim are filled with such anachronisms:  King David wearing
a Greek "porpiron," King David's soldiers with Greek-style 
haircuts, coins from the time of Abraham (no evidence of such
early coins), etc.  Except when dealing in halakha, midrashic
"history" is often more homiletical than historical.  (This is
not a criticism of midrash; simply an attempt at trying to
understand what Chazal were trying to teach us.)



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From: unterspa@novavax.UUCP (Diane Unterspan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: passover customs
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:32:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL


 interesting how many customs are viewed as law.
in Ashkenazic homes it is unlikely that you will see lamb at the
seder, this is often reserved until after the restoration of the
Temple. In sephardic homes, it is common to serve roast lamb.
Many ashkenazic jews will not eat beans, peas, nuts, rice and corn at
passover altho these are not hametz as defined by the torah (wheat,
barley, oats, rye and spelts...what ever are spelts?)
How do those who prohibit peanuts reconcile the nuts in harosetz?
Dinah in Denver
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: The War on Weeds
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway
Date: 7 Apr 92 07:09:01 GMT

In <9204061738.AA25778@brachot.jct.ac.il> lando@brachot.jct.ac.il (Zvi Lando) writes:

> I feel that what you said was an echo of Baker's ludicrous statement
> about "Greater Israel". I wrote to Baker and told him that our
> "Greater Israel" is about the size of his "Greater New Jersey" and
> that he must have been among the overwhelming percentage of American
> graduates that could not even find Washington D.C. on the map.

Zvi, if you continue to assume that I agree with everyone that you
disagree with, I will find people on your side of the argument to
assume that you agree with.

> How 'bout you, Warren?

No, I did not write to Baker.  I think he knows that I wasn't going to
vote for his candidate anyway.

I do see the point of your analogy.  If the probelm is "weeds", well
no one needs to ask the "flowers" what they think, and if a few get
"uprooted" in the process, or if one decides to "plow an entire
field", well "c'est la guerrdening".
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