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From: cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: IMSA at AMS
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:47:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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What is the schedule for IMSA GTP/GTL racing next year (if there
is anyone to contest it :-)  ).  I heard that they were dumping
Road Atlanta for Atlanta Motor Speedway's infield road course.
Then I heard that IMSA was likely to race at BOTH AMS and Road
Atlanta.  I LOVE Road Atlanta, and I hope that IMSA will take its
series there, as small as it might be.   
    
I sat in the new grandstands at AMS for the Hooters 500 on Sunday.
You could see the ENTIRE course from there, and I would love to 
see the IMSA boys there whistling thru the Turn 1 chicane.  Any
ideas on a schedule?

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From: ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Lothar Dahlmeyer)
Subject: FYI - WC points
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:45:09 GMT

Winston Cup Point Standings for top 15 positions as of 16-nov-1992
(Albuquerque Journal)

1.	Alan Kulwicki (7)		Ford	4078
2.	Bill Elliott (11)		Ford	4068
3.	Davey Allison (28)		Ford	4013
4.	Harry Gant (33)			Olds	3961
5.	Kyle Petty (42)			Pont	3945

6. 	Mark Martin (6)			Ford	3887
7.	Ricky Rudd (5)			Chev	3735
8.	Terry Labonte (94)		Olds	3674
9.	Darrell Waltrip (17)		Chev 	3659
10.	Sterling Marlin (22)		Ford	3603

11.	Ernie Irvan (4)			Chev	3580
12.	Dale Earnhardt (3)		Chev	3574
13.	Rusty Wallace (2)		Pont	3556
14.	Morgan Shepherd (21)		Ford	3549
15.	Brett Bodine (26)		Ford	3491

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From: humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Ong)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna's an ass!
Date: 18 Nov 1992 08:27:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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rculley@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (Culley R. G.,85L2,Tel. x3534) writes:

>In article 1e7hcbINNj1c@uniwa.uwa.edu.au, humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel
>Ong) writes:
>>
>>What about the fact that Mansell took a different line on the approach
>>to the hairpin.  He did not take the racing line and hogged the track.
>>

>Your implication that Mansell was in the wrong for not taking the racing line
>to protect his position makes me laugh. What has Senna been doing all year
>when he's been protecting his position when there are faster cars behind
>him. And don't forget Monte Carlo this year when Senna luckily found himself
>in the lead with only a few laps to go. What line did he take during those
>laps to keep Mansell at bay? And Mansell managed to not run into Senna and
>he had a far faster car at that time and was within inches of Senna on
>almost every corner. I'm not condoning this method of obstructing cars but
>if its ok for one driver to do it then why not for all. For me the best
>solution is a redesign of many circuits so that there are enough overtaking
>parts of the track.

Please note that in another previous posting of mine, I talked about how
shitty it is that Senna does these things -- eg. weaving like hell in
Hockenheim in 1990 and denying Prost the chance to pass etc etc.
I have also mentioned all that stuff about Mansell not running into
Senna in Monaco.

Further, my implication is that Mansell was in the wrong for not taking
the racing line - PERIOD!  I did not imply anything about protecting his
position.  There is nothing wrong with that implication of mine - at
least I'm consistent - I also think Senna's tactics on Prost in
Hockenheim were wrong.



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From: CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski)
Subject: Re: 36 Re: Buck Baker Driving School
Organization: Motorola
Date: 19 Nov 1992 07:23:06 CST

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
In <1edjjqINN7ge@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Brian Lee Wilson) writes:

>Does anyone have any info on the Buck Baker racing school?

Awhile back, someone posted this:

***********

I can recommend that you take the Fast Track High Performance
Driving School at Charlotte Motor Speedway to get a good feeling for asphalt.
I took the school as a fan this year and it was a great experience.  They
provide Winston Cup, BGN and Sportsman cars in a three day basic oval course
for $1800.  Call Andy Hillenburg there at 704-455-1700 and tell him you heard
about the course from a ***VERY*** satisfied graduate.  I won't be racing, but
I will go back there for the refresher course as a great vacation.

***********

Good Luck!!
BAh

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-------------------------------- Reply --------------------------------
Yeah, those comments about Fast Track are quoted from my previous POST to this
newsgroup.  As a graduate of the Basic Oval course at Fast Track's Charlotte
school,  you become eligible for "One Night Under The Lights" and as the name
implies,  they'll teach you to drive Charlotte UNDER THE LIGHTS!!!!! 8^>
I'm waiting for next yearr's class schedule hoping to take both the refresher
and the night school in one trip to Charlotte.
BTW, one of the cars at the school that I drove happens to be a red and blue
Pontiac with a familiar number and look on the doors (43 and STP! 8^> ) that
really made it a thrill to take their class, especially being Richard's last
year as a driver.


Craig Witkowski, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com
Motorola Communications & Electronics Inc.
Glen Rock,  NJ

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From: jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Winston Cup Opinion; Not of Interest to F1
Date: 18 Nov 92 01:01:25 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <168A171CE.GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu>, GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Ri
ckes) writes:
>
>Davey Allison personified the true character of a
>world class competitor in his interview after
>being taken out of the championship by the errant
>Ernie Irvan. In a season where Allison has endured
>physical and emotional anquish, this last blow
>could have elicited a petulant outburst about how
>unfair it all is, but there was none of that
>whining from Davey, but rather a determination to
>come back next year for another try. Perhaps S & M,
>i.e. Senna and Mansell, whose latest tableaux (sp ?)
>was pathetic, could take note.
>
>Congratulations to Alan Kulwicki, whose focused
>determination drew some critical comments from
>otherwise well-informed skeptics.
>
>It may not be high-tech, or appeal to the Town &
>Country target market, but the Winston Cup is,
>In My Not So Humble Opinion, what top-level racing
>ought to be about: Long May It Endure.
>
>
        I could not agree with you more about Davey Allison.
    I found myself cheering him on with my husband and son (two
    diehard Davey fans) because time and again he has proven to
    be not only an excellent driver but a truly wonderful human
    being.  With all the personal tragedies that have befallen
    him, he has truly come out on top.
        Congratulations to Alan Kulwicki also for an exciting
    race and victory.  As for next year,two of us here cheer
    for Kyle Petty while the other two cheer for Davey.  Here's
    to another exciting year!


    Patti H

    
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From: lah@unislc.uucp (Lane Hemsley)
Subject: NASCAR 93 schedule?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:04:31 GMT

I am looking for the 1993 NASCAR schedule, can anyone help?
Interested in events at Phoenix and possibly Denver.

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From: motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta)
Subject: Patrese
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 01:40:50 GMT

Ok, some say Senna is an ass. 
I personally think that Senna, Mansell and Prost they all suck!
It's time for new blood. How about Fittipaldi (the kid, not the old one)
But I think that the prize "Sucker of the Year" has to go to Patrese (oops, I
forgot how to spell it among other words, of course).
He had everything to make this year a little more interesting than it was 
if he had put a little pressure on his team. 
But, no! He sat in his cockpit waiting for God knows what, accomplishing
a mediocre role when he could have been the factor for "emotions" in the 
races. I'm not even talk about taking the title from Mansell but at 
least faking a desire of!!!
I really miss Piquet in his old days, N. Lauda and F. Cevert!!!
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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: I asked Michael
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 16 Nov 1992 14:46 EST  

In article <8721@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>, gfg@bohr.physics.purdue.edu 
(Gabriele F. Giuliani) writes...
>Count me too. In fact Andretti "the elder" is basically the ONLY american
>driver in recent times ...                                       ^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^

Maybe just a technicality, but what does it say on Andretti "the elder" 's 
birth certificate?

;-)

JD
From: danno@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Gary Soiney)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: I asked Michael (Michael a F1 driver, NOT!)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:55:35 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

 is it just me or does anyone else remember back in 82( i think ) when mikey 
 was in formula ford and wrote off at least one car per weekend? must be
 the hot setup to get into indy cars... now if someone has about  20 swifts
 that i could borrow for a few months...

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From: pod@sour.sw.oz.au (Paul O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: F1 trivia
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:43:34 GMT
Keywords: strirling Moss

In <1992Nov19.213946.24825@bohra.cpg.oz.au> jrp@bohra.cpg.oz.au (John Pitman) writes:

>>> common with Dick Seaman, Moss and ?
>> they all died in crashes

>I bet stirling moss will say something like Churchill ' reports of my death are
                                             ^^^^^^^^^
>greatly exaggerated'  - he drove in this year's Tasmanian Targa Rally (and did

Mark Twain perhaps.
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From: yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au (Michael Hanslip)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:10:12 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

cg894@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Lee Wilson) writes:


>I have read about some teams playing around with wings that
>bent under certain loads.  For example, on a long straight, the
>wing would bennd down slightly, thus reducing drag.  This may
>or may not be in use, but I wouldn't doubt it for a second.
>I don't guess there is a FISA-mandated wing structural rigidity
>standard (wouldn't suprise me though).

I seem to recall the B187 Benetton had front wings that did this
thanks to their mounting system. I got the chance to sit in it, and 
up close it looked like they might do it, but who knows from just
 a brief look?

Michael Hanslip.

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From: edc@ENG.Vitalink.COM (Eric D. Christensen)
Subject: Re: Legibility at speed
Organization: Vitalink Communications, Fremont, California
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:53:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.170900.25490@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>, chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) writes:
|> 
|> But I'd like to go one step further.  I've often thought that the
|> sanctioning bodies should require the driver's name to be readable at
|> racing speeds from the stands.  And if you really want to be fair, I
|> believe the driver's name should be in letters as big as the primary
|> sponsor's name, since the sponsor is only putting up money, while the
|> driver is literally putting his life on the line for the sponsor.
|> Think about that the next time you look at a formula car close up and
|> can't even locate, much less read, the driver's name.

That's a waste of advertising space Chuck! As we all know, race cars
are nothing more then very fast billboards. If I put my name on the
car in big enough type to be readable at more than 3 feet, I wouldn't
have enough room left for all my sponsors! BIG :-) :-) :-)

Seriously, I have to turn it around and say that the driver would
probably drive without sponsorship anyway (if he could afford it).
Since the sponsor pays the bills, he should get top billing. 

Cheers-

Eric "Rolling billboard space available..." Christensen
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From: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au (Conrad Drake)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Static vs. Dynamic friction
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:52:34 GMT
Reply-To: conrad@pico.qpsx.oz.au
Organization: QPSX Communications
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george@mech.seas.upenn.edu writes:
: :So between a rolling tire and the pavement, we have static friction (as long
: :as there's no wheelspin); and we have dynamic friction between a sliding (or
: :spinning) tire and the pavement.
: :
: 
: just to beat the horse further...
[George  points out some other aspects of tyre grip]

And also, friction is defined as being between  parallel,
_smooth_ surfaces.  And neither the tarmac nor the tyre are remotely
smooth.

So, as has been pointed out many times in this and other forums, to talk
about "friction" in any sense other than as an analogy, is nonsensical.

Conrad Drake
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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:04:49 GMT

In <1992Nov13.050305.15992@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:

>In article <d.calwell.4.0@trl.oz.au> d.calwell@trl.oz.au (David Calwell) writes:
>>suggests, it would make more sense to put the weight on the suspension.
>>Am i mistaken or is there a rule that covers this.

>If by "suspension" you mean the unsprung portions of the car, then of
>course it would not work, since the large movements and high
>acceleration that part of the car goes through would break the wing's
>mounting struts in a moment and prevent the tires from closely contacting
>the road surface through all the undulations.

Au contraire, as others (and myself) have posted, it _is_ more sensible
to have the wings reacting on the unsprung mass of the car, but this
makes handling really evil if something breaks.  Mind you, if something
breaks anyway the handling goes up the spout - witness Schumacher in
Hungary.

And I don't think the 'high acceleration' that the wheels etc. undergo
would matter damn to the mounting struts of the wings, as they can 
make those things amazingly strong. Face it, if they used them that
way 25 years ago, the increases in speed and loadings is more than
compensated by the increases in materials technology.

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From: cweber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher D Weber)
Subject: Re: Nissan and IMSA
Organization: The Ohio State University
 Nappi) writes:
 (Christopher D Weber) writes:
 of
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:30:23 GMT

>|> >expected.  I guess you can't just walk in and dominate anymore...
>|> >
>|> 
>
>I read a article about Mazdas pullout of IMSA GTP racing and it was purely
>based on finances, the company has also cancelled it Amati line. The article
>went on to say that of all the first year efforts put into IMSA GTP racing,
>Mazda had the most success. The RX7's were a better race car, they came in
>and kicked the 911's butt or whatever else Porsche tried to throw at them.
>
>--
>Jeff Nappi
>Columbus Bell Labs
>jjn@cbjjn.att.com

Well I'm not going to argue about the pros and cons of the two marks, but I 
think you'll have to agree that the 911 has and still is more successful in 
more different racing series throughout the world. Of course you can argue that
the 911 was around a lot longer and that the RX-7 is much younger.  But you 
have to also look at the time frame.  Porsche wasn't focusing its "factory 
might" on racing versions of the 911 when Mazda was with their RX-7.  So you 
can expect Mazda to be successful.  But...look at this years Supercar Series.  
The 911 Turbo and Turbo S simply drove circles around the RX-7s.  I'm not 
disputing Mazda's success, certainly they have had plenty, but I believe the 
911 to be the superior model.  Only time will tell if I can say that in the 
future.

C.Weber
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From: comptec92070@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: rename  r.a.s  ---->  r.s.a
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:26:34 GMT




     Does anyone agree with me that rec.sport.autos would be a better
name than rec.autos.sport? Remember that the reason that motor racing
fans are Rodney Dangerfields is that they are viewed as greasy car-
crazy motor heads. Does that describe most of you? I doubt it. Personally
I couldn't change my own oil to save my life. Just a thought.

     Sylvan Smyth
     comptec92070@camins.camosun.bc.ca
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From: comptec92070@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Re: I asked Michael
Organization: Camosun College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:58:00 GMT

In article <8721@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>, gfg@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Gabriele F. Giuliani) writes:
> Count me too. In fact Andretti "the elder" is basically the ONLY american
> driver in recent times (what, 30 years or so?) to be really successful in 
> both types of racing (USA stuff AND F1). Not only did he won a F1 world
> championship but, quite surprisingly, also managed to put a Ferrari on the 
> pole at Monza in 1980(?) while substituting on a short note for an injured 
                   ^^^^                                           ^^^^^^^^^^
                   1982.
                   
> Ferrari driver. In fact I find that Emerson Fittipaldi's success in Indy 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Didier Pironi.

> cars after his "retirement" is no big deal: It is "the other way
> around" that it is much more problematic. Do you know of any american
> trained driver to retire to F1 and ... be successful? Well, I sure don't. 
> For this reason I will be really interested to see how the dominant Indy car
> racer, Andretti "the younger", will compare with the rest of the F1 drivers.
> Looking forward to the end of the "news season" and the beginning of the
> new season.

  Michael Andretti is an F1 driver, not an Indycar driver. His performance 
next year is no more relevant than the performance of any other 'young' 
(not really the case for Mikey) F1 hopeful ie Hakkinen, Fittipaldi, Badoer, 
Barichello, etc. If he turns out to be an ace we can only be grateful that 
Ron Dennis provided him with the chance to make an honest living, after 
almost 10 years as a prostitute.


  Sylvan.         

                      Am I supposed to draw a pretty picture down here?
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From: smith@comm.mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: Nissan and IMSA
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:06:54 GMT

In article <winders-191192154814@macwinders.support.apple.com>, winders@aux.support.apple.com (Scott Winders) writes:


|> When the factory gets involved, forget it, Porsche always wins...

Well, there is no doubt they've been successful. Nevertheless,
the RX-7 has *far* more IMSA victories than any other model.  It's gotta
be worth something!

jds
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From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Re: Movable wings and the 917 (Was: F1 Stuff)
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:53:50 GMT

In <184222@pyramid.pyramid.com> danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:

>But even with the working flaps, the car was nearly undriveable.  John
>Woolfe was not a driver with alot of experience, took on a beast of a
>car and lost.  Earlier in practice, his original teammate withdrew from
>the event after brushing the wall after two laps.

Well, he had driven 427 Cobras before, which didn't exactly handle either.
I wonder, was there anything to stop a well-heeled club racer buying a 917
(or failing that, a GT40) and entering Le Mans? What certification existed
in those days? What did the ACO require to enter their classic? (or in 
French, classique?)

John Woolfe was not that unknown however. He was obviously fairly
wealthy. Unfortunately all my books have just been moved away so I
can't look anything up.

As to the 917s handling - interesting that when both Ford and Porsche
set out to build a supercar (GT40 and 917 respectively) they both took
more than a year to get the handling sorted out. And in both cases it
was actually done by an English group (although with plenty of other
European and Antipodean input).

regards,
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