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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: What happened?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:17:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.030739.4792@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
>In <BtnJ4v.C6r@acsu.buffalo.edu> v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak) writes:
>
>>Magneto
>Supposedly killed when his asteroid exploded
>during reentry in Earth's atmosphere/nuclear missle explosion.

I was under the impression it was an orbital Soviet plasma cannon that did
him in.  This seemed to be a beautiful maneuver on Claremont's part, since
it's an accepted Science Fiction theory (I have no idea how much basis
it has in truth) that plasma is contained by magnetic fields.  So, the
writers have an easy out explaining how Maggs survived; He just used
his magnetic powers to contain the explosion and shield himself and/or
his Acolytes.  

Another note on that particular story:  As Cortez is flying away from
Asteroid M, the plasma cannon goes off, and the techies say "Oh, no!
It went off prematurely!" or words to that effect.  It is implied that
Cortez pulled this off.  I always thought it would be sensible (and
very ironic) if Magneto had actually caused it to happen, in order to
facilitate the above scenario.  Remember, the guy has control over
electromagnetism!  And what do _electrical_ systems use for activation
switches?  You figure it out. :)  Besides, how would Cortez know the
satellite would be there beforehand?  And how would he set it off
by remote control?  It just makes no sense that way.  Of course, that
means that the writers will use it.  After all, if it makes no sense,
it's gotta be a good X-Men story, right? :(

Ah well, I'll get off the soapbox again...

The Walrus
From: mwbutler@iastate.edu (Tritor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Brigadier Stuart's name
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:24:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Sep4.192404.20102
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1992Sep2.051541.5888@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> shishka@coos.dartmouth.edu (Rich Yeung) writes:
>why is her name AlysDANE these days? i know it was AlysANDE for quite some
>time...
>-r.


Just to confirm your comment, her name was AlysANDE in earlier issues.  Another
of the many discontinuities found in the comic world.

Mike B
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: Rachel Summers' Timeline problems
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 12:48:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.222501.561@nmsu.edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>OK Marvel REALLY FUBARed with Rachel Summers.  In the future she comes from
>described by Kate Pryde in Uncanny X-Men #141-142 (Classic 45-46, I believe)
>it is the murder of presidential candidate Robert Kelly by the Brotherhood
>of Evil Mutants that creates thier timeline and in addition the Brotherhood 
>killed Xavier and MacTaggert on Hallowe'en 1980.  This sadly DOES NOT fit
>Rachel's memories OR the timeline discribed by the Phoenix in Excaliber #52.
>
Actually, the two timelines (hers and 'ours') diverged before that - Jean never 
became Dark Phoenix, never died, and gave birth to Rachel. As far as I 
remember, Dark Phoenix happened before the assassination (I'm willing to be
told I'm wrong!), so the timelines diverged before Dark Phoenix.

>In THAT timeline it is the detonation of a nuclear device in Pittsburgh
>(did anyone catch this reference to the PITT saga of the New
>Universe, don't frett I JUST noticed this myself.) by Mastermind that
>created the mutant backlash and Xavier is killed in his mansion as
>oppossed with Robert Kelly as described by Kate Pryde.
>
>There are two solutions to this:
>1) Marvel's writers forgot the cause for Rachel's timeline
>or 
>2) Phoenix LIED about Rachel's timeline
>
>While 1) is problily what happened let us look at 2) for a momment
>some points that suggest it may have some foundation.
>
Usually, I'd agree with you, but Alan Davis seems to be more
competent than most Marvel 'writers' and seems to care more about
continuity, so I'm not sure if he'd make such an obvious error.
Unless of course the mistakes were introduced during Lobdell's run
on Excalibur (which I gave up on), in which case I'd *definitely*
agree with you. Nonetheless, it's possible that Davis, if he sees
the mistakes and ever returns to the Phoenix for more stories, may
work the mistakes into the story, explaining them perhaps as you have.

Mike
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Gambit and his powers...
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:05:41 MDT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Organization: Utah State University

>> Well, do not forget his "psychic invisibility," which allowed him to sneak
>> into the Shadow King's home.  So far, it is an ace he has yet to play...
>> 
> 
> Also don't forget his ability to know what his opponent is going to do
> before he does it. This was mentioned when he willingly took the spike from
> Cameron Hodge (to be used later as a lockpick) and when he fought (and won)
> a danger room battle with Wolverine.
Brian, you cannot possibly think that this is a mutant power, just think 
back.  At the time, with Cameron Hodges, Gambit had his mutant powers 
removed from him.  Remember???  This would mean that he is just naturally
cunning, which comes as no real surprise to me!
							wReam...

P.S.  Not every skill that mutants have are necessarily mutant based...
Storm was the perfect example of that.  Some of her best stuff (something
we have not seen anything of lately) was done when she didn't have powers!
(Remember the Dire Wraiths, or her duel with Cyclops or about her duel
with Crimson Commando and the others before they joined the now defunct 
Freedom Force)
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: X-Problems?
Date: 25 Aug 92 08:56:57 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

C'mon, the X-books aren't all that bad now.
  X-MEN - maybe the best of the bunch.  Fabian N. (won't even try to
write it) is one of Marvel's best writers.  Art Thibert and Andy
Kubert are great artists with good storytelling techniques.
  UNCANNY - OK, this book is pitifully written (Scott Lobdell never
could write) and drawn even worse (Tom Raney-ugh!).  Our only hope is
for Lobdell to go to Image, or at least for Joe Queseda's art to make
up for his (numerous) shortcomings.
  EXCALIBUR - man, can Alan Davis draw or what!
  X-FORCE - must be the art that makes this one as bad as it is. 
Pacella just cannot draw; he started out like a mediocre Liefield and
has just gotten worse from there.  Hope Capullo is better (won't be 
hard).
  X-FACTOR - I like this book, especially the first few issues under
David and Stroman.  Now, if they could just keep him on every issue as
artist, and if some of the original humor can be brought back...
  WOLVERINE - I love it!  Hama is bad on GI JOE, but great here.  Tex
is awesome.  But, there's really bad news - Pacella is coming! ARGH!

  Oh, well, that's my two cents' worth.  What do y'all think?

                                               Drizzt

  P.S. - Why did Byrne leave X-MEN? Was it his choice, did he get
fired off it, or what? I never heard anything about it until I 
noticed the pitiful story in UNCANNY and found out Lobdell was on
it.

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From: hachiman@milton.u.washington.edu (Matt Downer)
Subject: Re: The Latest Xmen and their Letter page
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:18:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.142201.58418@cc.usu.edu> sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:

>Marvel really does only print the letters from people who 
>kiss up!  I ought to write one dripping with sarcasm and 
>see if they will print it...  In fact if any of you out there
>decide to send one in and it DOES get printed... Please let
>me in on the joke! You'll be able to tell mine, cuz if you
>lick it, it will be sticky sweet goo!

Except that Bob Harras will use his Mutant (tm) Ability 'Detect Sarcasm' (tm)
on your letter, and it will never be printed!

>P.S.  What was the point for the last two issues of the 
>Xmen???  What a completely USELESS plot!  It went NOWHERE
>and Nothing happened...

Probably a three or four issue plot got skewered by an impending crossover
halfway through.  My guess would be that FN found out the issue numbers for
the x-over after Thibert was substantially finished with the first issue's
art, so they had to finish the plotline the next issue 'cuz they had no 
inventory stories in reserve (Claremont was on the book so long that they
never bought any).  But that's *pure* speculation...

 _______________________________
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Hellions ( Re: What happened) ?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:21:56 GMT

In article <joshm.715222985@crash> joshm@crash.cts.com (Josh Mercer) writes:
>In <1992Aug30.221314.5041@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>: The Hellions
>
>>Hmmm.... I think Simonson was shot before she could ruin them. She tried!
>>Last seen: well... who knows?
>
>All/most of them were killed circa UX-Men #281.  Big waste if you ask me.
>Most of them had potential...

Here's something curious. In my latest copy of _What's New_, a preview
magazine, there's a mention of the Hellions, but in the New Warriors.
The blerb reads something like this:

Guest Starring X-Force (oh joy)
Firestar, Warpath and Cannonball travel to Nova Roma to inform Empath
and former New Mutant Magma, about the Hellions funeral. What they
discover could cause another funeral...for Firestar and X-Force.

Now the curious thing about this is that I could have sworn that Empath
died in the UX issue that the rest of the Hellions died. Mayve Fabian
forgot to check up on something.

Other notes about this issue includ Firestar's new costume (about time)
and a fairly cool looking cover with T-Bird, Cannonball and Firestar
looking into a grave with the tomestone "Hellions" on it. Anyway, it's
issue #31 and is due to come out November 24th, so you have a bit of a
wait left yet.

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From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Cable! (was RE:X-Problems?)
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:44:27 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

SPOILER WARNING:
  Unless you want explicit (!) information on Cable, the X-over this
fall, etc. - READ NO FURTHER!


  I'M NOT KIDDING!!!!!!!!



















(Now, who could resist peeking with something like that!)
In article <poole.714853722@eugene>, poole@convex.com (Ricky Poole) writes:
> msr@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Rosenberg) writes:

>>I don't think X-Force is going to last much longer...it's probably going to
>>end somewhere soon after the upcoming x-over, to make way for New Mutants II.
> 
> I may have missed something somewhere but it looks to me like Cable is
> going to disappear during this upcoming X-over. He's not mentioned in
> any of the synopsis after the first one I think in Previews.
> 
> Anybody know anything about this? 
> 
  Okay, here goes.
  In a recent issue of X-FORCE, as we all know, Cable is seperated
from X-Force.  He goes out on a solo adventure (well, with the fake
Domino) after Tolliver.
  After that, he gets involved with Stryfe again in the CABLE mini-
series.
  After that's over, he tries to go to the X-Men with info concerning
this big plot Stryfe's been hatching.  Unfortunately, Stryfe (minus
helmet) shoots Professor X with the technorganic virus first, so
everyone thinks Cable did it.
  Anyway, everybody has a big brawl which finally ends up on the moon.
Stryfe has captured Cyclops and Jean and imprisioned them in a "time
vortex" (whatever that is) that only a select number of people can
enter.  He attacks Apocalypse for reasons unknown and beats him.
  After this ends, there will be a CABLE regular series.
  All this was availible from Marvel Age.

FURTHER SPOILER WARNING-
  Go no further unless you wish to hear the idle speculations of
Drizzt the Precognizant (hey, that kinda rhymes!).




  Okay, couldn't resist the good stuff, huh?
  Here it is - Cable _is_ Nathan Summers.  Go out and buy those 
X-MEN #201s while they're low.
  FOR:
    His name
    The professor - a computer "brought with him" (Ship?)
    His mutant powers
    Stryfe's interest in Jean, Scott, and Apocalypse
    The fact the only individuals able to enter the above "time
vortex" are Jean, Scott, Havok, and Cable - related?

                                 -Drizzt the Omniscient
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Problems?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:06:59 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <19881@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
>written by Mr. Byrne, and thus may express a biased viewpoint. As for me,
>(complete change of subject here) I am completely shocked by how competently
>Lobdell has been handling UX. *Especially* considering his hack jobs in EX.

By competently you mean his total disregard toward the past 10 years of
character development (ref. Storm, etc.)?  Or perhaps the failure to check
even the most basic of facts, like where Angel lost his wings (ie, on an
altar or on a bare wall)?  Lobdell needs to be booted as far away from the
x-books as is possible, and take all the hack artists that have been or will
be working on the book with him.

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
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From: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Subject: Am i going crazy....
Reply-To: howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner)
Organization: Monitor Company / IE
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:58:16 GMT

Does it seem that in most of the X books (X-Factor excluded because I  
happen to think that it's low book on the X totem pole) the art has sort  
of taken over the story line?  I remember reading the then only X book way  
back when the story and the art blended together well.  The whole Death of  
Jean storyline as well as the myriad other seemed to make sense and flow  
from one issue to the next.

Today when I read an ongoing X story I feel i need to have the previous  
three or four issues on hand just for the current issue to make sense.  It  
seems that the word balloons are lost in the middle of the art (much  
darker than it used to be - the art, that is) which makes the whole story  
much more difficult to read and keep track of.  Or maybe I'm just getting  
old.

Thanks for allowing this one confused reader to vent!
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Am i going crazy, ruined characters, and the good ol days
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:50:38 GMT

Christopher A. White (caw@gtech.com) wrote:

: >and LS ruined it all in a few good issues
: 
: Besides the fact the sentence is self-contradictory, it makes one question
: just how good something can be if it can be ruined so easily.

It's easy to ruin something that easily!

Take years of patient character development and completely
ignore it. Write hack stereotype one dimensional stories.
Get really bad artists. And what you produce is nothing
like the original.

Put it a different way: imagine Danielle Steel or Steven King
writing the sequel to Hamlet :) Hamlet would stand up as a 
work of art, and the sequel would ruin everything the first
did.

You'd still have the original to treasure, but the new
stuff would not measure up.

Scott
From: mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael J. Keating)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Rachel
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:20:12 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

While we're on the subject of Rachel...  Remember the storylines in
Uncanny that involved a battle between Rachel and Wolverine over Selene?
 This storyline was never resolved!  For once, I wish the writers would
make use of the crossovers and resolve some unfinished business with the
members of the uncanny team from issues 190-the mutant massacre.  Too
much change too fast leaves too many loose ends, and a plethora of
storylines
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Black Superheroes
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:00:59 GMT
Followup-To: kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder


Hi, those of ya'll around last spring might remember that I compilled a listing
of black superheroes(I also did one on Jewish heroes-but there were only like
7 of them).  Anyway the list got into the high 70's.

What I'd like to know is if anyone has a copy of the list.  I have a partial
hard copy of it, and want to re complete it. please E-mail me with any news.

----SCAVENGER

-- 
If some unemployed punk in  New Jersey can get | kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
a cassette to make love to Elle McPherson for  |     (Internet/Usenet)
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Excalibur #55 ***SPOILERS***
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:04:49 GMT

In article <rlcarr.057g@animato.network23.com> rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro) writes:

>Well, talk about dangling plotlines coming home to roost...
>(1) It is now confirmed that "Courtney Ross" has been Sat-yr-9.
>    Of course, this opens the question of how she got away from
>    Captain UK (Linda McQuillan) [see Capt. Brit. trade paperback].

Remember that Saturnyne and Sat-yr-9 are _not_ the same people.  Adding in
Courtney, that makes 3 lookalikes at least running around....
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: What happened?
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:07:39 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <BtnJ4v.C6r@acsu.buffalo.edu> v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak) writes:

>A few years ago, I gave up on comics in general, and having only recently
>returned to the fold, I am left wondering about the fates of certain
>characters:

>Illyana Rasputin
Returned to her true age, without mutant/mystic powers.
Currently living with parents in former Soviet Union.

>Danielle Moonstar
Living in Asgard as Valkyrie ??
(I'm not sure about this one,
my memories of her last appearances are kinda vague)

>Rachel Summers
After appearing in Excalibur for 52 issues,
is currently comatose/roaming the universe.

>Magneto
Supposedly killed when his asteroid exploded
during reentry in Earth's atmosphere/nuclear missle explosion.
Has Limited Series coming out this year.

>The Hellions
Most of them were apparently killed recently by ... well...
most of them were apparently killed recently.

						James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
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Subject: Re: Hellions ( Re: What happened) ?
Date: 3 Sep 1992 01:21:11 -0500
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In article <1992Sep3.042156.15251@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>Now the curious thing about this is that I could have sworn that Empath
>died in the UX issue that the rest of the Hellions died. Mayve Fabian
>forgot to check up on something.

If I remember correctly, Empath DID survive.  His quote was that he could no 
longer "feel" the White Queen when SHE died.  But I can't recall his actually 
having died himself.  (Then again, I COULD be wrong...)

>*************************************************************************
>* Craig Welsh                  *    "I'm a few bricks short of a       *
>*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
>* cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca     *     hurt my back."                    *
>*                              *     "Crazy" - Barenaked Ladies        *
>************************************************************************
>* "Homeboy from Hell." Screw that. I'm the Waiter from Hell.           *
>*  You figure out which is scarier.                                    *
>************************************************************************
>

--
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Kansas State University
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"You're too young and I'm too well hung..." -- Spinal Tap
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Am i going crazy, ruined characters, and the good ol days
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:54:33 GMT

Christopher A. White (caw@gtech.com) wrote:
: I'd like to take a chance to vent about all the venting. It really is
: boring. 

Then post something interesting!

[...bunch o' stuff deleted...]
: 	What don't you like (and justify it). To say that Louise is the
: 		worst writer ever needs a little more justification than
: 		"I didn't like the way she dit it."

I have to go off on this.

JUST READ THE BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is self evident why LS is such scum. She took some of the most
complex and real characters EVER MADE in comics and in most other
media, and turned them into one dimensional stereotypes. She
randomly killed and booted off characters when she couldn't
get a real plot, and brought her own cardboard characters in
to replace them.

Instead of insights into growing up, she spoon feeds overused
teenage stereotypes.

Instead of real art, there's Blevins.

Simonson is just too out of touch with youth to write
NM.

Claremont had built a powerful, moving saga of growing up in the modern
world -- substitute your favorite minority/problem for 'mutant' -- 
and LS ruined it all in a few good issues. Claremont had *THE* best
artists -- Guice, Bill S, and Art Adams, and all the rest.

You know, LS should be burned at the stake now that I realize what she
has done.

In 3087, people are going to read the NM Claremont did to 
learn what growing up in the 1980's was like...

:)

Scott