Newsgroups: comp.sys.mentor

In comp.sys.mentor, steves@cserver.plexus.com (Steve Spelbring) writes:


> I am interested in finding out just how many
> sites are ACTUALLY USING Version 8 software
> (Beta sites don't count, I want to hear from
> *real* users.)
	We are the Santa Clara Division of HP and are currently using V8 tools
	as shown below:	


> Which V8 tools do you expect to use (or are currently using)?

> [X] Idea Station
> [ ] Analog Station
> [ ] DSP Station
> [X] Board Station
> [ ] Board Station 500
> [ ] IC Station
> [ ] Hybrid Station
> [ ] __fill in the blank___ Station (I'm sure I missed one :-) )

> [X] Design Architect
> [ ] QuickSim II
> [ ] QuickSim II (with Hardware Modeler)
> [ ] QuickFault
> [ ] QuickGrade II
> [ ] QuickPath
> [ ] PLDSynthesis
> [ ] AccuSim
> [ ] Autotherm
> [ ] Physical Cable
> [X] Layout
> [X] Package
> [X] Librarian
> [X] Fablink
> [ ] _______________


> Primary Platform you are running MGC V8 on:
> [X] HP/Apollo 700
> [ ] HP/Apollo Domain
> [ ] Sun

> Other Platforms you are running MGC V8 on:
> [ ] HP/Apollo 700
> [X] HP/Apollo Domain
> [ ] Sun

> How would you best describe your transition:
> [ ] We have no plans of moving from V7 to V8
> [ ] We have considered, but not implimented V8
> [ ] We have V8 installed, but nobody knows how to use it
> [X] We have installed V8 and have run in to a few problems
> [X] We have successfully installed V8 and use it almost exclusively
> [ ] We never had V7 so there are no transition issues
> [ ] We are still waiting for V8.2
> [ ] Other ___________________________________________

> Have you used V7 Library Management System (LMS)?
	Yes, over a year ago - don't recall much aabout it.

> If you answered Yes, has the lack of a V8 LMS been the main
> reason you have not transistioned?

	No, we've created our own in-house system of LM -- not too sure we
	did "the right thing", but we didn't want the libraries and
	library management available directly from Mentor because we
	wanted to make this an HP-wide library system and Mentor's
	technique's were pretty limiting.

> Other comments about V8:

	We were ready for a switch from our multi-cultural (read that
	chaotic) vendor set that we had used up to now.. everyone at
	HP had chosen a different set of EDA tools -- not much ability
	to share development or support effort. So, those of you that
	have been on Mentor V7 before have much higher expectations than
	we did, and therefore the switch to V8 wasn't seen as a big deal by
	most of us. We have given Mentor a list of prioritized PERs
	to help with defining what to work on for 8.3. We're just getting
	switched from 8.05 to 8.1 at this time, and there certainly are major 
	changes -- more than you might expect from an X.0 to X.1 update.
	



> -----------
> We are in the process of transitioning to V8.
> I would like to hear your reflections on your
> transition and transition attempts. I am guiding
> our transition to V8. With your comments hopefully
> I will be able to make ours a smooth one, learning
> from your experiences.

> This site uses all of MGC's software, except the IC
> stuff, somewhere on one of 35+ HP nodes.

> Sometimes we are feeling very much alone in are attempts
> to transition. Some of the problems that we have
> found, and Mentor Support has not encountered before,
> makes me wonder if anyone else is really transitioning.
> It just seems to me that anyone else that has gone through
> a transition would have found these problems by now.

> Mentor's Support Center has been helpful in guiding us though
> these problems.

> E-mail responses are preferred.
> Send you comments to steves@cserver.plexus.com
> I will summarize and post the responses if there is enough interest
> (anoninmity will be honored, if requested).

> Thanks in advance for your responses!
> --

>                 Steven S. Spelbring
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