From: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Honda?
Reply-To: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:35:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.152647.4084@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, tjg2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>I have to put my 2 cent in about Honda.
>
>When I started with SF2 and SF2CE last year, I started with Ryu then
>moved on to Chun Li for the most part until last month.  Due to fustration
>about Chun Li not being powerful enough in the CE (the origional here's 
>joysticks sucks so...), I decided to move to Honda.  I was able to put
>his moves down pat and I just was amazed at the large amount of stragedy
>that I could do with Honda.  I was not learning anything with Chun Li, but
>I can tell I'm learning a lot with Honda.  Most of my challenges are with
>guys who is not near-master players, so I had not really put my skills to 
>the test (i.e. I usually head butt them and mowed them down).  I am pretty
>aware that you can 'trap' the opponent with the thousand hands and groov'
>feet, but I  would like to hear anyone's ideas on how the opponents can
>counter me and what I should do to avoid this situation.  Please respond
>by E-Mail cuz I'm leaving today and returning on Jan. 4th.  Thank you very
>much for your time to provide me with several stragedy that would help me
>be a better Honda player.  BTW, to help you, I usually start defensive and
>when a chance occurs, I set loose an agressive style before returning
>to defensive (except with Ryu and Ken and those guys who fireball all the
>time).
>
>-T.J.
>TJG2946@ritvax.isc.rit.edu

Ptooey. This chickenass refuses to play me when I'm playing Chun Li or Vega. 
IMHO, Chun Li AND Vega are really good against almost anyone (Chun Li kinda
suck against master Guiles, which means the only character I play that I can
use to beat those #@%^#$ Guiles is Vega. I do fairly well with the other
characters EXCEPT Zangrief, but the two best characters for me has GOT to be
Chun Li/Vega). What I tend to use is a LOT of fakes. For some reason, the
players around here  DP whenever I fake a jump ;) At least until they start
realizing that they'd be better off trying to hit me before I jump. 
No need to answer this guy- tell him to keep playing against me, and he'll
learn QUICKLY what Vega/Chun Li can
do to counter Honda. THEN he's gonna learn what to use to counter that counter,
THEN he'll see what I counter that counter counter with. And so on. That's the
whole fun of spending a fortune playing SF2! ;)

BTW, how unethical is it to keep doing the screaming eagle/ Barcelona Backdrop?
I tend to use it a LOT. For instance, against Ken/Ryu, who usually do either
a standing fierce punch OR a DP, I usually vary the approach I come in from-
either I stryfe him (hit him with the tip of my claws) or go BEHIND him, wait
till he stick out that hand, then move in and backdrop him. With GUiles who do
the SONIC BOOM, I tend to do a screaming eagle, choose a side (varying as often
as possible, walk up and slam him. There are those Guiles who JUMP BACKWARDS
and hit fierce punch in the air- THOSE guiles, I use the stryfe approach, since
the fierce hits me BEFORE I can even get to backdrop him. Now, those guys in
RIT don't have a big problem with this, since they themselves basically play a
guessing game. However, in Atlanta, GA, there was this bloody jerkass Ken
player who kept calling the Vega Screaming Eagle a "CHEAT!". Now, I tried
explaining that Ken had a LOT of counters, but he just shrugged it off. So I
quit the Screaming eagle, only to get TICKED mercilessly to death. (crouching
short, walk and throw). NOW, I get pissed, and proceed to Barcelona backdrop
him to death, and he moaned and griped while proceeding to put in a few more
dollars and attempting to tick me (he never DID do it again, as I was too busy
screaming eagling him to death).
So, is the overuse (grin) of the Screaming Eagle fair? Keep in mind I prefer
a fast style, as you probably can tell by my choices of favorite characters,
and the Screaming Eagle is the FASTEST way for Vega to move around.
Also, can someone send me the instructions on how to TICK and COUNTERTHROW?
I've never quite developed the art of ticking, despite being a pretty good
clean fighter, and I STILL haven't quite been able to counterthrow out of a
tick. I've only gotten it off once or twice a day out of about 10 or so fights.


E-mail me with the responses, as, like this guy, I don't return until Jan. 4

David Tai
DJT2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu


BTW, does anyone want me to try and write a Vega strategy guide? I can include
MY own strategies against a) computers (I've been able to win all my matches on
one token, which is ridiculously boring and b) humans 

I'm willing to do this. Any tips from any other Vegas out there will be
appreciated. Of course, it might take a while to type, so I'd say to be on
the safe side, I can release it late Jan. IF anyone send me e-mail confirming
they want a Vega strategy guide. Just don't swamp my mailbox, please :)

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