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From:         The Integral Differential <DEMON@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: transition -- the lighter side
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>-T.
>You have to be careful.  We have a lot of JrNazis here who were still infants
>when the Reag's rode into town.  All they remember is a lot of hooey from
>Buchanan-types who tremble at the whisper of Ronnie's name; they never actually
>experienced LIFE under the Ron-man. They have all their info from Reagan-
>worshippers.  So give them a break.  Ease into it.  We wouldn't want to flood
>their little minds with all the truth about Nance & Ron; at least not all at
>once, would we?

	Apparently neither do you want to abide by your own suggestions about
name calling and respect for the President.

>So start with something simple - like, how Reagan stole Carter's briefing
>book before the 1980 debates.  Yeah.  That's a nice little start.

	What was the title of that recent thread?  Sore Losers?  Sour Grapes?
STILL trying to run against Reagan?

Brett'
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From:         Song Weaver <JULIE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pat Buchannan
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Steve:

Fair questions.  First off, he's classified homosexuality as "perverse"
and "deviant."  In his attack ads on George Bush he made use of thse
attitudes to foster hatred for Bush.  He used the term "crossdressing"
to reffer to the democratic convention.  Without doubt I can state that
I believe that statement was designed to utilize homophobia against
democracts, whether warranted or not.

I'm not calling people names, Steve, or attacking Buchannan.  I am stating
what I believe to be his positions and his potential impact on the politcal
scenee.  When you reffer to my methods of "attacking" as "shallow and
foolish" it appears that you are trying to nail me on something or other
and that seems more intended to draw attention to _me_ than to the issues
I am discussing.  Mind dropping the attitude?

--Julie
From: jse2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JASON STEVEN EUCULANO)
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Date: 6 Nov 92 04:07:16 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <POLITICS%92110513073766@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>, GE777009@BROWNV
M.BITNET (jcs) writes:
>>>
>>>If you continue posting to the list, I expect vast numbers of POLITICS
>>>subscribers will flock to VAL-L.  Also your spelling and grammar leave much
>>>to be desired.
>>>
>>>james
>>>
>>Listen DICK, You talk about grammar and spelling, don't you know that proper
>>nouns (for example your dumb liberal ass name) need to be capitalized.  So shut up.
>>
                                 Jayce
>
>little testy today are we? Just as a helpful hint, you might want to
>try proofing your posts before they go out...When you don't finish
>a sentence, it can make you look powerful stupid. It also "may"
>make you the laughing stock of the list.
>
>now, i would like to know more about this "liberal dumb ass name"
>of James. While i know several James's, some of them liberal,
>some of them dumb and most of them asses, i would hardly say
>that the name connotes (denotes?) 'liberal dumb ass'ness...
>
>anyone want to speak up on this? Jamie? Jimbo? james?
>
>jcs "i had a dog named james, and he was dumb, but he was very
>      conservative.  He was  a toy poodle and had a tiny little
>     brain, so he was a democrat?"
"
>
From: PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET (Jamie)
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>From:         Kip Shaw <KIS100F@SMSVMA.BITNET>
>
>What are the minimum formal qualifications required to be in the running
>for the Supreme Court Justice nomination?
>(is a Law degree a formal requirement or just certainly desirable,
> for instance)
>
>With names such as Governor Mario Cuomo and J. Kilpatrick being invoked
>in the media, one wonders.

Who is J. Kilpatrick? Just wondering.

Is Cuomo a serious candidate, or is it just a rumor made up by someone
in the press? I don't personally think Cuomo is at all qualified.

There are no "formal" qualifications, though.

If anyone has heard a bona fide list of candidates, I would be
very interested to know who was on it.

I predict that White and Blackmun will both retire in the next two years.
Everyone's been expecting Blackmun to retire soon. And White recently
said that he wanted a Democrat to choose his replacement--a bit surprising,
since White has voted with the conservative bloc as often as not.

Jamie
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:15:00 EST
From:         linda <SABOE@VUVAXCOM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: APOLOGY TO EVERYONE!!!!!

>    hope you accept my sincere apology.
>                                        -Shawn-

remember shawn, when your dear mother said to think twice before you speak?
well, on the list it's always good to think twice before you type. and i am
the mother of two, so i know these things. listen to your mother.
you're dealing with grown-ups here, try to type like one.

:)

-linda
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Brett, uyou live in a different reality than some of us.  I am _broke_
and I can not afford to maintain a savings account.  I pay my rent and
I buy my food and tehre is little left over.   The company I used to
work for laid us all off and then rehired the upper 50% of us, starting
our seniority over from day one.  I didn't get rehired, but even if I had
the health insurance I had waited 1.5 years to get would have never come
because of the stunt they pulled.

Now regardless of whether or not any of us think that the government should
_do_ anything for people who et laid off, screwed over by their company,
can't ever seem to get ahead, etc., to deny that there are situations in
which a lot of people are simply _stuck_ in this economy is ridiculous.

You can easily argue that it's not your problem, but to argue that this
isn't happening is silly.

--Julie
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:55:00 EDT
From:         CLARK@EVMSVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: abortion (was Calooh! Callay!)

I don't see how any of the postings you were so obsessive to save, Robert, had
anything to do with what Julie asked you.  She asked you to cite some of the
"many" examples you noted of supposed left-wing lies.  Anyone see any lies in
the rather long posts Robert left?

If you don't understand a question, Robert, just ask one of us.  That's what
us adults are here for.  We help the children.

And don't be ashamed that you either didn't understand or couldn't make a decent
reply...we have come to expect no more from you.  So don't worry.


-T.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:40:54 GMT
From:         "(Dunstan_Vavasour)" <dunstan@GEC-EPL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: The Youngest Science
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>>You really need to get your humors in order. Or, I have some
>>nice hermetic recipes you might try.
>
>>Jamie
>
>i was wondering...does anyone know where i can find the barber? i need a
>tooth pulled and also i have this headache. can anyone spare a leech or two?
>
>-linda

Of course, before they had anaesthetics (sp?) they tried to perform
operations (usually amputations) as fast as possible to minimise the
pain (straight up). Various surgeons got quite proud of how quickly
they could perform operations, and would invite an audience to come
and watch their virtuosity. That is why in this country operations are
performed in an operating theatre.

Just another interesting snippet.

Dunstan.
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Subject:      Re: Poor losers!

>
>
>From:         PSICILIA@DREW.BITNET
>Subject:      Re: Poor losers!
>
>        I am sick and tired of hearing about Iran-Contra.


That doesn't mean it never happened - or that it wasn't illegal - I'm sure
some people are tired of hearing of many of the Reagan/Bush "...gates" -
we still need the truth!

>(stuff deleted)
>
>agrees that BUSH DID NOT KNOW, was the illegal part.  You cannot say
>that you know exactly what every president and VP has done concernig
>foreign policy.  Even Kennedy did things in secret.


Oops!  History Czar, where are you?  Isn't this yet another violation?
Sorry to be such a gadfly - I'm tired of hearing someone "argue" with
history as their "ammo" - especially when they misfire!


>        My point is that this Iran/Contra business has been a waste of
>time and money.  It was a Democratic attempt to nail someone in the
>Reagan administration and it has not worked.  Liberals will not be
>able to use Iran/Contra forever, so they better start talking some
>issues, that America cares about.  Bush should end this entire episode
>by pardoning Casper Weinberger (if he is set free, Iran/Contra is
>dead).  What does he have to lose.

Yes, Republicans ARE fond of pardoning their own white-collar criminals,
aren't they?

Paul, earlier you said that there was NO ILLEGAL activity concerning Iran-
Contra because there had been no successful prosectutions...now you say Bush
should pardon Weinberger...does that mean that you acknowledge the illegality
of the crime?  Or does that mean that you think some sort of Liberal/Democratic
plot has unfairly indicted Mr. Weinberger, and to rectify a possible plot-
induced sentence. Mr. Bush should pardon Mr. Weinberger?  What DOES that mean?

>
>
>        -Paul
>
>P.S. I wonder if the special prosecutor will ever be used against
>President Clinton or that Democratic Congress.

No, I think it's safe to say that the special prosecutors are for your basic
Nixon/Reagan/Bush flavor criminal politician.



-T.
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:05:59 CST
From:         Kip Shaw <KIS100F@SMSVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Supreme Court Justice

What are the minimum formal qualifications required to be in the running
for the Supreme Court Justice nomination?
(is a Law degree a formal requirement or just certainly desirable,
 for instance)

With names such as Governor Mario Cuomo and J. Kilpatrick being invoked
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Subject:      Re: Churches and Tax Exempt Status

>Good point!  Are the Catholic church and the Salvation Army tax
>exempt for the exact same reason?  I don't know the answer but
>if they are then I have to agree with you.

I don't believe that they are.  People commonly refer to non-profits
as 501c3 organizations, but there are several sections of the tax
code that define different types of tax exemptions for organizations.
I'm pretty sure that I've got the code at home--I'll try to remember
to bring it in tomorrow and post it (won't that be exciting--tax codes!).

>Our state just recently passed a constitutional amendment legalizing
>bingo for churches and non-profit organizations.  Many churches
>lobbied for it extensively.  Nothing happened to them and the
>amendment passed.

The old axiom that non-profit does not mean unprofitable shows itself
again!

>--KAT

...Rick
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From:         mostly harmless <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: love grows where my rosemary goes and nobody knows like me
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>hi there!  congratulations to mr. president johnson (and i would like,
>in one little bitty spate of vitriol here to point out just how well
>this country has done with presidents named johnson) and mr. vice-
>president olson (so, gary, when am i gonna see some of this vice?).

Soon, I assure you.  I'm expecting a shipment of vice from ups any day now.

I'd like to take this opportunity to accept the post of virtual vice
president that you, the list readership, have so graciously elected me to.
Many thanks to James for his superlative electoral counting and such.  I'd
like to salute the other tickets - any one of which would make a fine bit
of leadership for this list.  I'd like to thank the cast and crew of the
hit broadway musical 'cats', Doris Day, the Liechtenstein National Assembly,
and of course, Buddy Hackett.

As the new virtual president, Pres. Johnson, said earlier, we hereby
reconfirm Jamie's position as logic czar.  We also officially give Mike
McCarthy the position of history czar, and Linda Saboe is welcome as the
virtual white house cook.

Anyone want to run nasa?  We have a few posts open...

Well, that's all I have time for now.  I'm running a fever, so I'd best stop
here before I pass out.  Thank you, and drive unsafely.

Gary W. Olson
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1,463 days and counting down...
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From:         Andrew Allen <E7L8ALL@TOWSONVX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 1996

>Anyway, I was just going to note that Bob Dole is pusturing for '96...

Well, there goes the east coast if he bursts; after all he is just
about the most pustulent senator in Washington (aside from Orrin Hatch).

B)

>--Julie

-other Andy
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From:         mostly harmless <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      history staff, list.hot.air, and clinton's cabinet
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Mike M:
>        First, I will need some staff.  I would like to appoint Tony Clark (aka
>T.) as Associate Czar in charge of 20th Century American History, -JOE (sorry,
>don't remember your last name) as Associate in charge of Legal and Judicial
>History, Brett Kottmann (Brett') as Associate in charge of Military History
>(although we have gone 'round and 'round on the list HISTORY concerning whether
>FDR had prior knowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor) and VMS as Associate in
>charge of Russian/Soviet/CIS History (although doubtless he will be tapped for
>a higher cabinet position).  If there are any others out there whom I have
>omitted, please speak up.

Unless any of them want higher cabinet positions (I was thinking Val might make
a great virtual secretary of state, fer'instance), the staff be approved by
the virtual senate (damn virtual marionettes - i always get the wires tangled
up...)

[various excellent policy proposals deleted)
>        I offer these policy proposals to our new virtual administration and
>will accept any further suggestions.

Sounds good to me.  What you think, Tim J.?  (btw, welcome NewTim - don't
mind Jayce, Steve, et. al - the hot air can be quite welcome on these cold
autumn nights...:))(btw Steve, the tiniest fiddle in the world is playing for
you.  poor thing, so picked on.)

Clinton's cabinet: should be interesting to see.  I wonder if Clinton will
offer Jesse Jackson the Secretary of State post.  We should know in a few
days.

that's all from snowy michigan,
Gary W. Olson
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From:         CLARK@EVMSVMS.BITNET
Subject:      RE: abortion (was Calooh! Callay!)

Steve:

RE: your post about abortion safety, legal v illegal

WRONG.

Even the United States Navy reports that in their Subic Bay Naval Hospital
(figures are for 1989 - 1991) there has been a SIGNIFICANT increase in
complications resulting from abortions obtained off-base after the order
outlawing abortions for members/dependents became effective.  We know that
women who receive illegal (therefore covert/back alley/whatever) abortions
run a great risk of complication and death.

Also, as long as we are on the subject or risk:

Women who carry a fetus to term are at much greater risk for complications,
illness and death than women who elect first-trimester abortions.  That's
a fact.  But that only holds if the abortions are SAFE/LEGAL. (those 2 terms
are inseperable on this issue).


-T.

"Life is just like music, made more by feeling and instinct than by rules."

                                -DeMello.
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From:         erteltsa@ALPHA.HENDRIX.EDU
Subject:      Re: "President Clinton"
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Gores daughters offer a better chance of getting a date...I heard the comment
recently that the Clintons, unlike many of the recent past presidents, do not
have a family dog. Another friend stated that perhaps Chelsea could fill
that role...(laughter).
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:23:10 CST
From:         Kip Shaw <KIS100F@SMSVMA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Fire! vs. There may be a fire!

On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:31:00 EST <MMORSE@YORKVM1> said:
>>>Any deep thoughts perhaps?
>Yes! What was the name of the movie?

"The Sinking of the Titanic" maybe. Or else:

"The Bermuda Triangle" maybe. Or else:

"The Unveiling of the Deep Throat and Watergate" maybe. Or else:

"H-two-O (200000 ad or bc or ce)" maybe.


Hello MMorse! Thanks for the deep thought!
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From:         Song Weaver <JULIE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
Subject:      Online Copies of Convention Speeches
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Does anyone have copies on;iline of any of the speeches from the Republican
and democratic conventions?  I especially would like to read Buchannan's,
Quayle's, Robertson's, Falwell's, Gore's and Jordan's.

--Julie
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From:         todd pukanecz <CCCS@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: A simple Joke
              6 Nov 1992 01:26:46 GMT from <sbc3@NS1.CC.LEHIGH.EDU>

On Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:26:46 GMT SHAWN BRENDON CREWS said:
>>A more complex joke:
>>
>>OCTOBER SURPRISE        IRAN-CONTRA     IRAQGATE
>>
>>Thankfully though, this joke is OVER.
>>
>BUT, A BIGGER ONE WILL BEGIN ON JANUARY 21.
>
Is this the day you plan on conceiving?

>HOPEFULLY, SOMEONE IN THE MAFIA OR THE CIA WILL
>
>END THIS JOKE BEFORE IT CAUSES TOO MUCH HARM.

I would think a simple condom would suffice.

(And it's not necessary to SHOUT.  We are all literate and familiar with
both upper *and* lower case letters.)
    toddddddddd

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From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      A notice ...

based on the content of their posts solely, Shawn and Jayce's accounts at
Lehigh are "frozen" until such time as their Computing Science folks have a
talk with them about responsible posting. I believe the business of "shut up"
and the "threat" against the President-elect may have been the final deciders
on the part of the postmaster and superiors. They be back, but under a sanction
of good behavior or loss of accounts, I'm given to understand. My only action
here was to forward copies of their posts to their postmaster - so if you must
gripe about the action I took, do it to me personally, and not to the list. VMS
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From:         Jamie <PL436000@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Why we pay the FBI

========================================================================
From:         CLARK@EVMSVMS.BITNET

> Another reason to cease this thread about killing the President and
>Vice-President:  the Secret Service and the FBI take each threat they
>learn about VERY seriously.  Unless you want a badge or two on your
>doorstep sometime soon, lay off.

From:         Jason Briggs Cormier <CORJB@RHODES.BITNET>

>On the seriousness with which the FBI and Secret Service take
>asissination threats on the president, I have a little story.

Story deleted.

But, either Jason B C and I have a mutual friend, or his story
is fairly common. I have a friend with a VERY similar
experience.

Jamie

Ah, but now I learn that our own departed Steve MacDonald once
threatened the President and was never hassled. Born under
a lucky star?
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:56:00 EDT
From:         CLARK@EVMSVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Supreme Court Justice

Jamie:

        There are no age *limits* on Presidents in the Constitution.  There is
a *requirement* that the President be at least 35 years of age.  Use of the
ambiguous word *limits* could allow for an upward cutoff, of which there is none
.

BTW, Cuomo was a law professor, an attorney, a representative, and a Governor.
He is considered to be one of the most intelligent, learned and respected
men in this country.  That may not sound like SC qualifications to anyone, but
it's certainly impressive - and more so than Thomas & Sutter!

No, I do not believe a qual. should be "better" than the worst up there - I'm
just pointing out that he's far more qualified than many who serve right now.
I do not offer that part as argument - I simply note it.


-T.
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