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From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Where was this special effect used?
Date: 4 Nov 92 20:50:23 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

ALIEN LANGUAGE SIMULATION

I'm going to describe a special effect that I "invented" and have actually
encountered in a sf movie but I can't find it; maybe you'll recognize
it.

I used to do this as a kid; the idea is to produce the effect of an
alien speaking English. 

	(a) write out the lines you want the alien to speak;

	(b) transcribe the lines phonetically;

	(c) reverse the results of (b), so that you have a reverse
		transcription;

	(d) make a tape recording of the results of (c);

	(e) play the tape backwards. 

If this is done fairly carefully, the result will be understandable
English, yet very alien-sounding--impossible to confuse with any
earthly foreign accent.

I saw years ago a TV sci-fi movie where this was done--I recognized it
immediately and yelled, "There's my idea!" (so I'm not the only genius
in the world...)  But I can't locate it.  Anybody recognize the
technique?
  -- 
-Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> {Sometimes you have to look reality straight
 OPINIONS ARE MY OWN            {in the eye, and deny it. - G. Keillor          



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From: qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup)
Subject: Re: books with swords
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:30:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.114957.6357@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup) writes:
>In article <Bx9AMt.9Ky@world.std.com> lak@world.std.com (Larry A Keber) writes:
>>>In article <JSC.92Nov1173557@monolith.mit.edu> jsc@athena.mit.edu (Jin S. Choi) writes:
>>>)
>>>)Can anyone recommend any books with any amount of swords/fencing in
>>>)them? 
>>>)
>>>)Jin Choi
>>>
>>The Chronicles of Amber, by Roger Zelazny, has some fencing in it.
>>The various books about Vladimir Taltos, by Steven Brust, also.
>>
>>Sword Dancer, Sword Maker and Sword Maker (and another 1 or 2 whose titles I
>>can't remember now), author <som female name> Robertson?, contains sword
>>usage.
>
>The third book is _Sword Breaker_, and the authors name is Jennifer Roberson
>(I think :-). Are you sure that there are 4 to 5 books in the series? I found
>the third one quite final.

Just a small update (I checked my 'library'). The books are
	Sword Dancer
	Sword Singer
	Sword Maker
	Sword Breaker
If there is a 5th, somebody please let me know :-)

Greetings,
--Mike


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From: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: HELP ME FIND A STORY
Date: 4 Nov 92 16:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: jeff.kling@brent.uucp (Jeff Kling) 

Bandstand, Disneyland, growing up fast, drinking on a fake id
They send you off to college, try to gain a little knowledge
but all ya wanna do is learn how to score, Yeah!

Hello there, fellow parrothead!
                                                   
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From: lak@world.std.com (Larry A Keber)
Subject: Re: books with swords
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:42:28 GMT

>In article <JSC.92Nov1173557@monolith.mit.edu> jsc@athena.mit.edu (Jin S. Choi) writes:
>)
>)Can anyone recommend any books with any amount of swords/fencing in
>)them? 
>)
>)Jin Choi
>
The Chronicles of Amber, by Roger Zelazny, has some fencing in it.
The various books about Vladimir Taltos, by Steven Brust, also.

Sword Dancer, Sword Maker and Sword Maker (and another 1 or 2 whose titles I
can't remember now), author <som female name> Robertson?, contains sword
usage.

-- 
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From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Where was this special effect used?
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 09:35:48 GMT

I expect that it would be a lot easier than doing all this phonetic
reversal to simply record yourself, listen to yourself backwards and
either memorize that or write it down, then say it for backwards play.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
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From: csh@ulysses.att.com (Charles S. Harris)
Subject: Re: Where was this special effect used?
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:50:37 GMT
Organization: Creative Thinking & Diversity, Middletown, NJ 07748-3208

> I'm going to describe a special effect that I "invented"...
> I used to do this as a kid; the idea is to produce the effect of an
> alien speaking English.
> 	(a) write out the lines you want the alien to speak;
> 	(b) transcribe the lines phonetically;
> 	(c) reverse the results of (b), so that you have a reverse
> 		transcription;
> 	(d) make a tape recording of the results of (c);
> 	(e) play the tape backwards.

Ken--   I'd hate to undermine your claim to priority, but I suspect
that I was doing this as a kid before you were.  To give you some
idea of the timeframe, my recorder used WIRE instead of tape.
    It took quite a lot of trial and error to get it to sound
halfway decent.  I was surprised to find that I had to insert a
Y or W in front of so many of the backwards vowels.
     --Charlie Harris
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From: n5gax@leo.unm.edu (Duke McMullan (n5gax))
Subject: Re: books with swords
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 00:24:15 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: rec

In article <JSC.92Nov1173557@monolith.mit.edu> jsc@athena.mit.edu (Jin S. Choi) writes:
>Can anyone recommend any books with any amount of swords/fencing in them? 

_Any_ amount?  The mind boggles . . . .

An oldie that floats up out of the chaotic hindbrain is Heinlein's _Glory_Road_.
This is different from most in that the fencing is viewed through the eyes of
an experienced fencer, and the approach would be regarded by many as "technical"
. . . as though that were an intrinsic defect.

Perhaps one unfamilar with swordwork would find it confusing, but if one will
take a bit of time to _learn_ the few basic fencing terms that he uses, the
feel of actually being there, blade in hand, can be pretty convincing.  My
experience with western fencing styles is pretty minor, but I can feel my body
trying to move empathetically as the combat is described.

At the risk of escalating the now quiescent Eternal Heinlein Flamewar, _I_ en-
joyed the book.

						d
-- 
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			       -- From a Chinese Zodiac restaurant placemat
      Duke McMullan n5gax nss13429r phon505-255-4642 ee5391aa@leo.unm.edu
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: books with swords by J. Roberson
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:47:25 GMT

I noticed someone asked about books with swordplay.

thsi is fantasy and not sf, but try
SWORD DANCER
SWORD SINGER
SWORD MAKER
SWORD BREAKER

by Jennifer Roberson.
-- 
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From: blum@medici.ils.nwu.edu (Dan Blum)
Subject: Re: books with swords
Reply-To: blum@ils.nwu.edu
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:21:39 GMT

How about William Goldman's _The Princess Bride_?

--
______________________________________________________________________
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blum@ils.nwu.edu   1890 Maple Ave., Evanston, IL 60201   708-467-2306

"The only actual `Socratic' was Socrates, who may or may not have 
 actually existed, as he himself would doubtless be the first to admit
 if he were alive today."
______________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Scott)
Subject: Ravenscar FTP site info
Summary: help info
Keywords: help for FTP site
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:26:10 GMT



This is your friendly neighborhood Vampyre archivist.
I am enclosing the info on the FTP site for you.

It is located at:

ftp.cs.uwindsor.ca

to access it one types 

    ftp ftp.cs.uwindsor.ca

If one is using the internet, some bitnet accounts allow one to access this.
otherwise there are bitnet servers for FTP, someone with more information,
please explain how these are used.

Once one has connected it asks you to log in- please use "anonymous" to
log in, not "guest" or your own userid, it will then ask for your address
as a password, this information is kept confidential- my boss just requests
it so he can keep  track of usage.

Then, you are in the root directory of the machine, at the moment there is 
naught else available at this site, though apparently that will shortly
change.

Meanwhile, the following is the routine to reach the section with the files:
cd pub
cd local
cd text
cd vampyres

Underneath this directory are a number of other directories:

Digests   Fluff   World   pics

there is also one file here: Readme

Under Digests can be found old digests of the list from Jae, who will
hopefully soon be uploadingn the full archives to here.

Under Fluff is the old Fluff Archives. One copy of the archives.txt is
available in the next directory.  Then all files are sorted into
alphabetical subdirectories.

Under World:

SKT    Storylines    Digests    volumes

There will soon be a Readme file added here, I haven't gotten around to that 
yet.

The SKT directory is currently just a bunch of SKT's, eventually I hope to sort
these into 3 directories: Mortals, places, Immortals 
these will be self explanatory- files here are stored as:
 
sktname.authorname

Storylines: all the stories with authors name, broken down into sections
are here.  This is to make it possible for one storyline to be followed at a
time. These are title.#.author

Digests: these are the logs that Morgan is sending me each few days
of the discussions on the list.

Volumes are the stories as they went out to the rest of the Vampyres list.
These will shortly be removed once I have the storylines section completed.
I will place in that section a file with a liting of what was in each issue
of Ravenscar Nights.

I hope this is helpful to you, please feel free to enjoy the archives at
your leisure.

Cat
-- 
AussieVamp 
AussieMan, Neophyte Vampire and DarkWolf
(Eric Clapton is God!!!)   [ and there is Bobby Fischer... ;-) ]
(Walter Payton, Mike Singletary and Neal Anderson form the Holy Trinity!)
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From: qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup)
Subject: Re: books with swords
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:49:57 GMT

In article <Bx9AMt.9Ky@world.std.com> lak@world.std.com (Larry A Keber) writes:
>>In article <JSC.92Nov1173557@monolith.mit.edu> jsc@athena.mit.edu (Jin S. Choi) writes:
>>)
>>)Can anyone recommend any books with any amount of swords/fencing in
>>)them? 
>>)
>>)Jin Choi
>>
>The Chronicles of Amber, by Roger Zelazny, has some fencing in it.
>The various books about Vladimir Taltos, by Steven Brust, also.
>
>Sword Dancer, Sword Maker and Sword Maker (and another 1 or 2 whose titles I
>can't remember now), author <som female name> Robertson?, contains sword
>usage.

The third book is _Sword Breaker_, and the authors name is Jennifer Roberson
(I think :-). Are you sure that there are 4 to 5 books in the series? I found
the third one quite final.

Greetings,
--Mike

-- 
#include <std-disclm.h>--"... and there is a small flaw in my character."---
Real Life: Michael Christian Heide Qvortrup      A Dane         ETH, Zuerich
e-mail   : qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch                  abroad         Switzerland
Institut fuer wissenschaftliches Rechnen  /  Inst. of Scientific Computation
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: blum@medici.ils.nwu.edu (Dan Blum)
Subject: Re: Dave Duncan's "Hero" (possible spoiler)
Reply-To: blum@ils.nwu.edu
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:51:46 GMT

I'll grant that the ending was somewhat downbeat (but more realistic
than it might have been because of that), but I don't think
that he dug himself into a hole.  I assume that that was his intended
ending all along.  Why do you think otherwise?

--
_____________________________________________________________________
Dan Blum           Institute for the Learning Sciences   Room 327
blum@ils.nwu.edu   1890 Maple Ave., Evanston, IL 60201   708-467-2306

"Consider a spherical cow of uniform density..."
____________________________________________________________________
From: lamont@cup.hp.com (LaMont Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: has anyone heard..?
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:44:42 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4lj.1 PL6]

she listens like her head's on fire.. (v115p8d6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:
: Has anyone heard of anything new by Tad Williams? I have both The Dragonbone
: Chair and The Stone of Farewell and I was wondering if there is news of
: a third book coming out..its been too long!

To Green Angel Tower will be out in March 1993; roughly 1100 pages in
hardcover for about $30.00.  (You ought to see the manuscript...)

lamont
From: lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (LYNN ALFORD)
Subject: trying again for an address
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University
Distribution:  world
Date:  9 NOV 92 10:41:00    

This feed has been very strange of late, and I suspect that my article 
never made it out the first time.  I am looking for the address of ZBS.  I 
have the official tape set of Ruby the Galactic Gumshoe and would like a 
tape of Ruby II and any other interesting tapes they might have.  Does 
anyone have the address?  Will this get out *this* time?

Lynn 
  _____      The Darwin fish
\/    o\
/\_____/
  bb bb
I had an opinion just a moment ago.  Now where did I put it?
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From: logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Richard Scott)
Subject: Ravenscar Nights shared fictional writing world
Summary: info
Keywords: writers and readers wanted
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:24:31 GMT



There is a mailing list set up as an offshoot of the Vampyres mailing
list.  It is a shared world where many writers write stories based on
the city of Ravenscar.

The stories, character sketches, and place sketches are available via
FTP, and when I have a nice informative passage about that, I will.

You can write to me at logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au for details.  Some
stories have progressed as far as part 10 or 11.  I am slack, and am
only up to part 6 :).  Types of characters include vampires, mages,
morphs, human vampire hunters, and an inter-dimensional alien invasion
is on the way.  There is also a super-powered vigilante running around,
and plenty of not-so ordinary humans.

You don't have to write anything to be put on the mailing list, all
readers are welcome.  (Although you may be called a lurker from time to
time).  There are quite a lot of these, so do not let that worry you.

The more people there are, the better, and I will post more details in
the future, after the FTP site is fully documented.


Hoping to hear from you!!

Richard  (logan@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au)

  
-- 
AussieVamp 
AussieMan, Neophyte Vampire and DarkWolf
(Eric Clapton is God!!!)   [ and there is Bobby Fischer... ;-) ]
(Walter Payton, Mike Singletary and Neal Anderson form the Holy Trinity!)

-- 
AussieVamp 
AussieMan, Neophyte Vampire and DarkWolf
(Eric Clapton is God!!!)   [ and there is Bobby Fischer... ;-) ]
(Walter Payton, Mike Singletary and Neal Anderson form the Holy Trinity!)
From: tucker@pyramid.unr.edu (Aaron Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: books with swords
Date: 8 Nov 92 10:51:29 GMT
Reply-To: tucker@pyramid.unr.edu (Aaron Tucker)
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

In article <1d2hjeINN7gd@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>In article <JSC.92Nov1173557@monolith.mit.edu> jsc@athena.mit.edu (Jin S. Choi) writes:
>)
>)Can anyone recommend any books with any amount of swords/fencing in
>)them? 
>)
>)Jin Choi
>
	Tim Powers has some good fencing in a couple of his books:

	"On Stranger Tides" somewhat, and

	"Forsake the Sky" which has a lot of fencing lingo in it, so I
		doubt I appreciated it much.  Either that or he fakes it
		really well.  You might have trouble getting "Forsake the
		Sky" since it was initially published by 'Laser' in the '70s;
		but then reprinted (rewritten also?) by the New England SF
		society or some such.  They might still have some copies. 
		(someone from there please expand...)

att
From: svleest@brahms.crhc.uiuc.edu (Steve VanderLeest)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: help me ID this story
Date: 12 Nov 1992 00:32:24 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: brahms.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <1992Nov7.223642.21897@ariel.ec.usf.edu>, mccolm@darwin.math.usf.edu. (Gregory McColm) writes:
|> In article <BwxtDt.ILs@andy.bgsu.edu> pfrazie@andy.bgsu.edu (Paul M. Frazier) writes:
|> >evorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Ed Vorst) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >> I have here a plot to a sf story but I don't know the title or the
|> >>author. Hopefully all you super-sf-buffs can help out a new-comer like me.
|> >>Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
|> >> Here goes: A somnelent kleptomaniac is stealing platinum objects and
|> >>hiding them in an old purse. The purse never fills up, the objects
|> >>disappear. A team of psychologists rig a huge crane and start a
|> >>cross-dimensional tug-of-war.  The story ends with the crane, the lab, the
|> >>room and the building beginning to lose the tug-of-war with whatever is on
|> >>the other side.  The scientists cannot disengage.
|> >>Please leave a message ASAP. My email is: evorst@ccu.umanitoba.ca
|> >
|> >Please post the name and author of this story.  I'd like to read it!
|> >
|> >Paul
|> 
|> This sounds like TIGER BY THE TAIL, by Alan E Nourse, but 
|> I don't recall the kleptomaniac being so particular about 
|> what kind of metal her loot was made of.
|> 
|> -----Greg McColm


Yes, this is the correct title -- and yes she did go after only one kind of
metal, but I believe it was aluminum, not plantinum.

--
Steve VanderLeest	Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing
			University of Illinois
.............................................................................
"I see nothing inconsistent in monks of Christ building a flying machine, 
although it would be more like them to build a praying machine."  
_A Canticle for Leibowitz_
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
From: jsc@athena.mit.edu (Jin S. Choi)
Subject: Dave Duncan's "Hero" (possible spoiler)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:04:11 GMT


I just finished reading this, and though I enjoyed it for 90% of the way
through, I thought the ending left a lot of ends loose and was very
depressing besides. Anyone else feel he dug himself into a hole and
couldn't dig out in time? Or perhaps he planned it that way. Comments?

-Jin
--
Jin Choi
jsc@athena.mit.edu
From: helge@tron.gun.de (Helge Thorsten Kautz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re^2: Pronunciation of Authors' names
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neurath, Germany
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:29:00 +0100

Ref. to "Re: Pronunciation of Authors' names", JANICEG%MARVIN.ENG.SUN.COM@USENET.ZER wrote on 02.11.92/18:03: 

 * These two names are pronounced as they are spelled: Niv-ven, and 

Janice, I as a german have a little problem with this name, to tell me
it`s pronounced as it`s spelled wouldn`t help me at all.

Or would it be helpful for you to know, my Christian Name "Helge" is
pronounced as written?
           HELGE       | InterNet: helge@tron.gun.de
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From: jenkins@local.host (Lisa Jenkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: MST3K X-Mas OOPS!
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:49:07 GMT
Reply-To: jenkins@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.


OOPS!  I typed the date in error on the Patrick Swayze X-Mas.  It is supposed
to be a "Saturday Night Thing," January 30.

Sorry for the inconvenience.


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From: rob@hoster.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rob Carriere)
Subject: Re: Re^2: Pronunciation of Authors' names
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:15:51 GMT

In article <1BED452BTA@tron.gun.de> helge@tron.gun.de (Helge Thorsten Kautz)
writes: 
>Ref. to "Re: Pronunciation of Authors' names",
 JANICEG%MARVIN.ENG.SUN.COM@USENET.ZER wrote on 02.11.92/18:03:  
>
> * These two names are pronounced as they are spelled: Niv-ven, and 
>
>Janice, I as a german have a little problem with this name, to tell me
>it`s pronounced as it`s spelled wouldn`t help me at all.

Niven: The `i' is pronounced as the International Phonetic Alphabet symbol
       `I'; the `e' as IPA symbol upside-down-e.  The N, v and n have the same
       values as in German.  Stress goes on the first syllable.

>Or would it be helpful for you to know, my Christian Name "Helge" is
>pronounced as written?

I thought that was obvious.  :-)

SR
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