From: QAA@psuvm.psu.edu (Tim Bieling)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Homosexuality and Christianity
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:13:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92100.181336QAA
 <1992Apr9.003701.3902@en.ecn.purdue.edu> <92099.215708QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Apr9.203348.11660@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Apr9.203348.11660@en.ecn.purdue.edu>, muehlhau@en.ecn.purdue.edu
(John Muehlhausen) says:
>
> [stuff removed about 'rating' sins]

>                           But can you honestly say that being gay won't
>keep you from living the way God wants you to live?  Tell me something... Do
>you get more upset when people slam your sexuality or when people slam
>Christianity?  I hope it is the latter, and if not - your interests are in
>the wrong place.  If so, I am confident that you will work it out the way God
>wants you to in the end...  After all, I am not an authority on anything,
>just presenting what the Bible says to me.

God made me gay, it's that simple.  The sin for me would be to lie to
myself, and attempt to change my sexuality.  Many others have shown that
the various passages in the Bible "prohibiting" homosexuality are at
best vague.  God also gave me the intelligence to realize that His words
were transcribed by people who inherently will have a bias.

I get upset equally when someone slams my sexuality and when someone
slams Christianity.  (Even I, at times, feel the urge to slam Christianity
because the "followers" of it try to slam my sexuality).  My interests,
however, are to be truthful to myself.


>
>I do not doubt that you love this person more than anyone could love
>anything.  BUT (you knew that was coming :-) this type of love does not have
>sex in its plan from everything that I have been convicted of while
>researching this topic.

Please.  If the "plan" for sex was strictly reproduction of the species,
we would be "in heat" for a period of time having sex, then going about
our business.  I have a female cat which hasn't been spayed (neutered -
which ever it is for female cats)  She has no choice, she gets in heat,
meowing (begging) to be mounted.  God gave us a constant sexuality
combined with the intelligence to use it.  That is, tho our inate (God
given) sexuality (gay/bi/straight) gives defines our theoretical
desires, our intelligence (hopefully) helps us react to those desires
in a reasonable way.

I find it very distressing that you can tell me it's ok to love someone,
in my case, another man, but that I can't express this love in a
physical manner.  However, if I was straight, married, that I'm
now allowed to express my love in a physical manner.  (or is it your
view that procreation is the ONLY proper reason for sex - if so,
re-read (and think about) the previous paragraph.)

>The last thing I want to do is condemn anyone....

I don't take your words as condemning, but I feel you have a narrow
view of spirituality and sexuality.  You seem unwilling to possibly
accept the idea that interpretations prohibiting homosexuality in
the Bible may be in error (words written by people - inspired or
not, but written by people with natural human bias.)

And, finally, what upsets me the most is that laws are passed based
on "biblical teaching" which forbid me to marry the man I love, and
in some cases, forbid me to express that love in a physical manner.

Comments?
to prove anything
-Tim
>John M.