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From: gumby@Cygnus.COM (David V. Henkel-Wallace)
Subject: Green Card to US citizen, 4, 5 or 6 years ?
Organization: Cygnus Support, Palo Alto, California
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:25:26

   Date: 26 Aug 92 20:57:53 GMT
   From: aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy)

   I heard that a lot of people had been doing this in the past to
   save time to get the US citizenship, but somebody said that it's
   not okay anymore (have to wait for 5 year before can send the
   citizenship application, --> total time needed, 6 years !)

Pardon my asking, but what's the rush?
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us,soc.culture.indian
From: skc@Turing.ORG (Shriram K. Chaubal)
Subject: Visa Lottery.
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:06:27 GMT

Hi folks,

I am looking for some information on how the INS visa lotteries work. 

Specifically 

1) Are indians eligible for them ? I have heard in several cases Indians and
   several other folks from asian countries are not.

2) What are the odd's? Would one be looking at 1:100000 odds ???

3) Does this go on any sort of 'record' which could be used against you while
   applying for an H-1 or green card.

4) Do you know anyone who has got his/her green card in a lottery? What is the
   procedure after you have have been 'selected'.

Please email me and I will be more than happy to sumarize on both alt.visa.us
and soc.culture.indian.

Thanks in advance :-)

Shri
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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: jesse@cs.UAlberta.CA (Jesse Lee)
Subject: Applying for H1 visa outside US [Question]
Keywords: H1
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 12:32:35 GMT

I am a foreign student in Canada and is looking for jobs in Canada and US.
A company in US would like to hire me but does not want to get
into tedious work to get me a H1 visa. They ask me how difficult it is
to get me a H1 visa outside US. Do they have to prove to the US immigration
dept that no US citizen is qualified to do that job except me?
Does anyone know the details of applying for a H1 visa outside US?

Thanks in advance.

Jesse Lee
jesse@cs.ualberta.ca
From: aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: F1 <=> no money
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:25:47 GMT
Organization: San Francisco State University

In article <92247.193151KSADEGH@auvm.american.edu> Kayvon Z. Sadeghi <KSADEGH@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>hi guys
>
>I have a friend who is in F1 status. He is facing some financial problems
>right now and is unable to pay his tution. Can he just skip this semester
>and register for next semester? How does INS deals with him? And more
>importantly, how is he supposed to deal with them.
>
>Any help is appreciated
>k1

The answer of course depends on your school International Student 
Office, and a matter of luck too.  Her, I heard that because they
are understaffed, they lost track of who enrolled/ who don't, but 
don't count on that, last time my sister (on F-1) trnasfer to another
school, and somehow the ISO doesn't get notified, after one semester,
the ISO mailed a letter concerning why she doesn't go to school
for one semester bla bla bla.  However, I also know that some 
students have been skipping class/taking less than 12 units
undergrad/9 units grad without any problems so far.
IMPORTANT !!! In any case, your friend might have problem
when he/she decide to get a green card because of out
of status for one semester only !!! (I read about it 
in this newsgroup)     
In my school, if you are a foreign student and cannot
pay the tuition in full, you can pay installment in
three months, of course they slap you with 15 % interest
fot those three months, and if you don't pay, they give
you W for all your classes (even if you skip on the first
payment, at least that's what they say on the form,
but I think you can file a petion this and that if
the problems are really serious and beyond student
control.  Then again, your friend can work on campus
/get permisson to work out campus, but given the
economic situation, I think this won't help much in
such a short time.

If I could be of a more help, feel free to e-mail me
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: tlihsin@hubcap.clemson.edu (lih-sin the)
Subject: Re: Leaving US when I94 in INS
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:56:36 GMT

ramas@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (R. Ramasubramanian) writes:

>Hi everybody,

>A friend of mine has submitted her I-94 to the INS for a B1 visa extension. 

>She however plans to get back to India, when the I-94 is still with INS. It is
>just a week since the I-94 was sent to the INS. She is interested to know if
>she can leave US. If so, what are the info that has to be declared at the
>Immigration check and what documents have to be produced so that she can
>leave without any problems ?


>Thanks in advance,

>ram

I had this experience that I left US when my I-94 was with INS, and I
did not have any problem or even asked at the airport when I left and 
came back to US. Then later when I came back to US, I got my I-94 back
from INS. Therefore I had two I-94, but then I returned them to INS
when I changed my visa status and INS returned the one that I got from
the last time I entered US.
Xref: sparky alt.visa.us:309 soc.culture.indian:30168
From: jeff@svl.cdc.com (Jeff Needham)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Labor certification/Green card
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:29:15 GMT
Followup-To: alt.visa.us

exumukh@exu.ericsson.se (Subrata Mukherjee) writes:


>Hi Netters:

>   After talking to my lawyer regarding labor certification/green card
>interview, looks like it may take one year to complete the whole process.
>That sounds too long to me. That's why I'm requesting the knowledgeable
>netters to inform me how much time it might take.

>All paperwork for me is ready and the advertisement for the position	is 
>to be done this week. I work in Texas,

Labour cert. is about 4 months and that is in blister mode.  6-8 months if
someone actually responds to the ad.  This shouldn't happen.


Once labour cert. is finished, you must then submit the I-140 and gather the
paerwork.  This is tedious, but can be done in a couple of weeks.  I had to
get some paperwork from Canada, so the process tends to be serial.  You may
also have to wait for your priority date to be current although the queue
for B.Sc/M.Sc/PhD.  is still quite short.

Waiting for an interview at the local INS office (or through the consular
route) is the next bottleneck and is typically measured in months.  

Since you are just about to start cert and don't yet have a priority date,
I would guess about 9-12 months from today.

Your mileage will definitely vary.


later,jeff
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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.german
From: spel@hippo.ru.ac.za (Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse)
Subject: Re: transit visa for Germany
Organization: Katatura State Hospital, Windhoek, Namibia
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 16:12:46 GMT

In <1992Aug26.181112.8553@oakhill.sps.mot.com> fmbutt@engage.sps.mot.com (Farooq M. Butt) writes:

>Frank writes at length about why Germany's transit visa policies are 
>not fascist.  Well, I agree.  What they are is unbelievably stupid and 
>rude.  For all of Germany's great wealth and magnamity, it is happy 
>to sit back and suck US $50.00 from every poor 3rd world Joe Shmoe who 
>has the misfortune of passing thru Flughafen Frankfurt Main.  This is 
>highly selfish and inane when the whole issue could be solved by 
>simply creating a cordondoned-off transit area where 3rd worlders (and 
>others) could catch connecting flights.  The rationale as Frank puts 
>it is very weak: first Germany builds a haphazard airport where one
>has to exit the transit area to catch connecting flights AND creates
>an asylum policy that is geared towards bringing over commie-defectors 
>(i.e. it's super-easy to get into Germany) AND then tries to solve the 
>problem by making 3rd Worlders suffer.

Stop Whining.

el
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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: martinsc@ucs.orst.edu (Carlos Martins-Filho)
Subject: Re: Work on-campus for J1 visa holders?
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:35:17 GMT

In article <ARILD.92Sep2170250@milan.ims.uni-stuttgart.de> arild@ims.uni-stuttgart.de writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.084458.8531@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> alansar@ccs.northeastern.edu (Mohammad Al-Ansari) writes:
>
>   I have a question about the J1 status that I'd appreciate if anyone can give
>   me the answer to.
>
>   Are students with J1 visas who are sponsored by their home contries
>   allowed to work on campus?
>
>   Any information would be greatly appreciated.
>
>With a J-1 visa you are allowed to work outside campus, in other words,
>you're allowed to work in general. So that should include on-campus work.
>For example, with an F-1 you're allowed to work on campus but not off, this
>visa being more restrictive.

I held a J-1 visa for  4 years.  I was allowed to work on campus, but I
don't believe a J-1 can work outside campus (at least without restrictions).
 
Greetings,

C. Martins
From: srin@cs.utexas.edu (Srinivas Nedunuri)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: Optimal time & place for marriage
Date: 28 Aug 1992 13:29:10 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug23.072504.16460@prism.poly.edu> skanga@prism.poly.edu (Shiraz Kanga) writes:
	I've heard confilcting opinions on this so I was wondering whether any
	net.visa.gurus would be able to shed some light! In the regular F1 to
	PT to H1 to green card process when and where is the optimal time and
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	place for marriage.
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alt.astrology might help. I thought these guys had the final say in these
matters. Just a thought.. :-)  :-)
--s;
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: jatou@ecf.toronto.edu (JATOU FIRAS)
Subject: Canadian working in U.S.A.
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:09:07 GMT

I'm an engineering student who is about to graduate in may 1993.  
I would really like to work in the the states, and was wondering what
the proper channels to go through.  I'd like to know as much as possible
before I go to the American consulate and wait in line!

I heard that the procedure is much simpler now with the free trade deal.
Supposedly, if I can get a job as a proffesional, then I don't need to
wait for a special approval af any sort.

I would appreciate any respnce through e-mail.
  Jatou@ecf.toronto.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: tan@infonode.ingr.com (Maribel Tan-Vanderzijp )
Subject: What was the address in DC which one can have his H1-visa stamped ?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:59:47 GMT


A friend of mine is going home, he is in his process of getting his H1
from F1 status. I remembered seeing an article on the net a couple of
months ago about being able to have the H1 transfered into one's passport.

Can somebody repost that article please ? or the address.

people who get their H1 inside the US recently, is it on the passport or
is it still on the I-94. is it multiple if it is on the passport ?

I have been out of touch with the recent changes.

please email to tan@infonode.ingr.com or maribel@maribel.b23b.ingr.com

thanks a million.
bell
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
From: ojvind@plato.cns.caltech.edu (Ojvind Bernander)
Subject: Re: Visa Lottery.
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:58:29 GMT

In article <BERNARD.92Aug28102527@sirius.gte.com> bernard@sirius.gte.com (Bernard Silver) writes:
>
>> 4) Do you know anyone who has got his/her green card in a lottery?
>> What is the procedure after you have have been 'selected'.

There were eight of us who pooled resources last year and sent of
a few hundred applications.  All eight of us got it.  Here is what
happened afterwards:

Oct 14	Application deadline.
Nov 15	I get a letter saying that I had won.
	It included a form to send back and a list of documents
	(birth and police certificates, etc) that I needed to
	assemble.
Jan 15	I have all my documents (I was slow and lazy)
	And send in a letter stating this fact, asking for
	an appointment to interview.
Mar 15	I still haven't gotten an appointment date and so I call my
	embassy.  They "never received" my letter, so I Fedex a new copy.
Mar 30	I interview and get all the papers I need to show
	when entering the U.S. next time.
Apr 7	I enter the U.S. and get a stamp in my passport saying
	"Employment authorized."  This stamp serves as a temporary
	(6 months) green card.
Jun 15	I receive the green card in the mail (it's pink!).

Last year 20 million applications were received.
Assuming that people on average sent in 100 applications
(I heard of a German dude who sent in 10,000) that gives
200,000 applicants.  If the same holds true this year
there is a one in five chance to win, since 50,000 "win"
and the first 40,000 to get processed actually receive green cards.
   _
-- Ojvind Bernander
From: boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: post completion practical training permit
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:12:14 GMT
Reply-To: boaz@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

In article <1992Aug20.162804.742@ncsu.edu>, george@sting.ece.ncsu.edu (George J. Gad El-Karim) writes:

|> Does anybody know how long it takes to obtain a post completion practical
|> training permit. 

For J-1 visas: The practical training is a part of your program, hence
handled by your sponsor. If your IAP-66 is valid for the PT period (seldom
is the case), you'll only need a letter from your sponsor, else you'll
also need a new IAP-66 (takes about a month to go through INS). Don't wait
till your current IAP-66 expires; this way you'll be covered by a valid 
IAP-66 all the time. (I.e., the answer to the original question is: very
little time, depends on your sponsor).

-- Boaz

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From: juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (  )
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: Work on-campus for J1 visa holders?
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:37:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <Btyzyz.Dyn@news.orst.edu> martinsc@ucs.orst.edu (Carlos Martins-Filho) writes:
>In article <ARILD.92Sep2170250@milan.ims.uni-stuttgart.de> arild@ims.uni-stuttgart.de writes:

>>With a J-1 visa you are allowed to work outside campus, in other words,
>>you're allowed to work in general. So that should include on-campus work.
>>For example, with an F-1 you're allowed to work on campus but not off, this
>>visa being more restrictive.
>
>I held a J-1 visa for  4 years.  I was allowed to work on campus, but I
>don't believe a J-1 can work outside campus (at least without restrictions).
> 
>Greetings,
>
>C. Martins
>
>

I am sure that J-1 can work off-campus w/o restriction.  Just go to the
international student office in your university to get an off-campus work
permit and you can work off-campus, unlike F-1 which requires the employer
to put a file in the employment office for 60days before hiring you.

Basically, self-employ can be a kind of practical training for J-1.  So, I
*think* you can even open a company in your name.

Julia
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From: ssdesai@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Sunil S. Desai)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us,soc.culture.indian,misc.consumers
Subject: Looking for Immigration Lawyer in Montana
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:08:02 GMT
Followup-To: alt.visa.us
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hi!

I am looking for recommendation (or name & telephone #) for immigration 
lawyers in Montana (or Idaho) area.

Any info or pointers will be welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Sunil  ssdesai@gandalf.rutgers.edu
~~~~~
From: sukumar@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Suresh Kumar)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: H1B1 filing question ...
Date: 26 Aug 92 02:44:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

Hi Folks, 

Currently, my Employer is filing for H1B1 for me. Since, my 
employer has not done this before, I have few questions regarding
I-129 filing procedures (we have got the LCA from Labor Dept) ..

My questions are

a) In page 10 of I-129 Instructions, it says 'In addition to the
   initial evidence for the classification you are requesting, a
   petition requesting a change of status for the alien in the
   U.S must be filed with a copy of the Form I-94, Nonimmigrant
   Arrival/Departure Record, of the employee...'

  - By the way, I am in F1-PT now, Does the above apply to me.
    I heard few months back that, It's not necessary to do the
    above. Please, send me your replies if you have got your H1
    after the new law.


b) In the same page about General Evidence the following is 
   mentionted...
   'Written consultation. Noted Classifications require a written
    consultation with a recognized peer group, union, and/or
    management organization regarding the nature of the work to be
    done and the alien's qualifications before the petition may
    be approved. To Obtain timely adjudication of a petition, you
    should obtain a written advisory opinion from an appropriate 
    peer group, union and/or management organization and submit with
    it with the petition.

    If you file a petition without an advisory opinion, it is 
    advisable for you to send a copy of the petition and all
    supporting documents to the appropriate organization when you
    file the petition with INS, and indicate in the petition which
    organization you sent it to. Explain to the organization that 
    they will be contacted by INS for an advisory opinion. If an
    accepted organization does not issue an advisory opinion within
    a given time period, a decision will be made based upon the
    evidence of record. If you do not know the name of the 
    appropriate organization with which to consult, please indicate
    so on the petition. However, it will require a substantially
    longer period to process a petition filed without the actual
    advisory opinion. '

     - I would really appreciate if anyone can tell what this
       advisory opinion and also the where I can get the advisory
       opinion.


   I would appreciate, any replies.

Thanks,
Suresh Kumar
(sukumar@cs.indiana.edu)
From: arild@milan.ims.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: Work on-campus for J1 visa holders?
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:03:59 GMT
Reply-To: arild@ims.uni-stuttgart.de
Distribution: usa
Organization: IMS, University of Stuttgart, Germany

In article <1992Aug27.084458.8531@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> alansar@ccs.northeastern.edu (Mohammad Al-Ansari) writes:

   I have a question about the J1 status that I'd appreciate if anyone can give
   me the answer to.

   Are students with J1 visas who are sponsored by their home contries
   allowed to work on campus?

   Any information would be greatly appreciated.

With a J-1 visa you are allowed to work outside campus, in other words,
you're allowed to work in general. So that should include on-campus work.
For example, with an F-1 you're allowed to work on campus but not off, this
visa being more restrictive.
From: ktong@shannon.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Tong)
Newsgroups: alt.visa.us
Subject: Re: 5 years for citizenship - when does this term start?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:02:05 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Section 331

Subject: Re: 5 years for citizenship - when does this term start?

In article <180lebINNo0f@agate.berkeley.edu> avk@hafnium.cchem.berkeley.edu (Tony Konashenok) writes:
>Does the five-year term for obtaining citizensip start upon
>obtaining the immigrant status or upon entry into the U.S.?
>(What happens if I stay for 5-6 years as a nonimmigrant and
>then change my status)?
>
>How about the same for a green card?
>
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>I don't quite understand your last sentence, Green Card 
>is the card that identify you as a legal immigrant in
>the U.S. (BTW, now the color is pink, therefore pink card :)
>I think the 5 year reqirement starts upon entry to the U.S.
>AS AN IMMIGRANT, or suppose an alien has already in the U.S.,
>upon the change of status.  Therefore, even though you've
>been in the U.S. for 5-6 years as a nonimmigrant, to apply
>for citizenship you have to wait another 3/5 years (depending
>how you get the Green Card) from the point you become an immigrant
>I am quite sure if I am right, but just in case, can
>someone correct/clarify me ?

Yes, you are correct.  The clock starts when you came a
legal permanent resident.  i.e. when the approval for
the "green card" was granted.  


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From: jayaram@watson.ibm.com (Mohan Jayaram)
Subject: Re: Green Card to US citizen, 4, 5 or 6 years ?
Originator: jayaram@admin.watson.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 17:01:59 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

From article <1992Aug27.182449.26926@csus.edu>, by aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy):
> In article <GUMBY.92Aug27072526@Cygnus.COM> gumby@Cygnus.COM (David V. Henkel-Wallace) writes:

Question for US Citizenship experts:
A person who obtained his green card through employer sponsorship
becomes eligible to apply for US citizenship after 5 years and a 	
person who obtained it by marriage to a US citizen spouse is	
eligible after 3 years. How about a person who holds a green card
through employer sponsorship and subsequently gets married to a
US citizen? Does he have to wait for 3 or 5 years from the time he          
obtained his Green card? Thanks. 
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