From: qzuhair@milton.u.washington.edu (Newton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Hi there fella ! (RE: STOP OBSCENE POSTINGS, FINAL WARNING !!)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 05:06:48 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan7.123230.46188@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>In article <1igt67INN1ec@aludra.usc.edu>, moinuddi@usc.edu (Asif Moinuddin) 
>writes:
>> ************************************************************************
>> 
>> 	This is an execllent idea proposed by D.Pereira to maintain the
>> sanity of this elctronic media. Surely, one can express the difference
>> of opinions. Most of us seem to have no stuff to say, hence the cheap
>> attempt to gain publicity through obscene postings. 
>> 
>> 	Every reader has a right to write to system administrator against
>> obscene postings who will take the necessary disciplinary actions. Please,
>> post the following memo periodically to prevent future obscene postings.
>> 
>> 	Although the desi community in US is supposed to be highly educated,
>> these kinds of postings do not reflect that AND MORE IMPORTANTLY
>> DEMEANS SUCH A USEFUL MEDIUM FROM REALLY SERVING AS FORUM OF OF MEANINGFUL
>> DISCUSSIONS.
>> 
>> 
>> 				MEMO
>>                                *********
>> 				
>> 
>> TO ALL	who post *really* obscene and offensive material
>> 
>> FROM:	D. Pereira and others,
>> 	Indignant and frustrated readers
>> 
>> REF:	DEADLINE TO STOP POSTING OFFENSIVE OR RACIST MATERIAL ON 
>> 	SOC.CULTURE.INDIAN
>> 
>> 
>> After Tuesday, January 5, 1992 at midnight, if I see *any* postings or replies
>> to postings that are offensive, racist or intolerable to me, I will forward 
>> copies to your respective system administrators, who will then decide what 
>> action, if any, to take against you.  In effect, it will be your sys ads who 
>> will then determine if the material is unsuitable for public medium, not me.
>> He/she may then decide whether you should be denied write access to USENET or
>> be further penalized. (Some of the postings seen recently may even be used as
>> evidence for civil/criminal litigation.)
>> 
>> If any other sci readers out there decide to support this action, then please
>> express your opinion.  A suggestion: extract this memo and post it again under
>> your own name.  Do please take the effort to type the SUBJECT heading over,
>> rather then doing a REPLY.  This way you will convey to the offenders that you
>> feel as strongly about this.
>> 
>> A final note to the persons mentioned above - please take this very seriously.
>> It is NOT a joke.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>     My Dear Asif Moinuddin:
>
> 
>     Thanks for your "puritan" expletives. I must say that your naiveness
>     knows no bounds. Please go and read the Bill of Rights and the 1st
>     Amendment. There is something called Freedom of Expression (Speech).
>     Go see a lawyer and try to find out what I am saying. FYI, I did make
>     an enquiry about what can I post thru' both legal agencies and the
>     Ombudsperson plus Sys. Admin. They only told me that *it might be good
>     if I was decent* - but no one cannot force upon you what you should
>     write. That would be clear violation of what U.S laws exactly offer.
>
>    Therefore, without going into pedantic moorings with a "mullah" (pun)
>    like yourself, I would say that if there is *anything* ever against
>    my friends, I shall ask them to take the legal route - because it is
>    extremely prohibitive to choke someone's freedom. This matter can be
>    settled with the ombudspersons in respective universities. Moreover,
>    as you have stated - that in U.S one must respect one's Freedom of
>    Expression. (Writing to my sys. admin. *will not* help because I had
>    a lengthy discussion with him on the proceedures for posting.)
>
>    I admit that of late U of Kansas, Colorado School of Mines has been 
>    getting bad press. However, this can be stopped only by two ways -
>    (1) Listening to what I have to say, and, (2) use a KILL file.
>    You cannot argue that you do not have the freedom of ignoring an offensive
>    post. (That would be a baloney). Use KILL files, or, better still press "N".




>    - I think that you already knew that, but, probably you forgot ---
>
>          deb chatterjee
>        (a good samaritan)


           You are right. Perhaps there is no legal restriction to prevent
an individual from saying/writing something in US as promised by BILL OF
RIGHTS. Perhaps, the system manager would say. "Sorry, they have the right.
I cannot stop them". What about moral restrictions and obligations? Are
not the sense of nationalism, sense of modesty, sense of decency, sense of
self respect and sense of communal respect some of those obligation? Is not
an educated, matured, decent FORIEGNER obliged by these moral attributes to
avoid foul/abusive language? If you think you are not, go head. You can do
what you want. Judgement is your. Remember, people see a hindu *student*      
from india, who came here for intellectual, characteral and moral development
in return for the inordinate sacrifices. 


 "Have you ever wondered, why a handicapped in your country prefer respectable
paid job to begging(that is "legally allowed")? Because he is obliged to do so.



Regards,

NEWTON.......
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian