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From: fc03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Frederick W. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Favorite skater
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:26:40 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan12.133732.4180@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, mdm@bnr.ca (Diane
MacMartin) writes:

>As for most under-appreciated skater, I think that Gary Beacom, whom you
>mentioned earlier, is a definite contender for the title. His skating is
>always innovative, artistic, and often downright weird.  As an amateur,
>he really challenged the whole skating system, skating without a coach,
>accusing judges of favoritism (mostly correctly, for the most part), and
>generally speaking his mind, which good little skaters did NOT do. His
>non-conformity, while his trademark, was his downfall as an amateur. I
>have seen him skate professionally a couple of times and I appreciate
>his artistry as much as ever.

It is a shame (and a disgrace, really) when they system PENALIZES
innovation instead of REWARDING it!  The same could be said of the
brother-sister ice dancing team from France, the Doucheneys (pardon my
spelling); they are also favorites of mine, precisely because they are
innovative, which is also precisely why the traditionalist ice dance
judges don't seem to like them.

I get the feeling that the crowds at professional skating events
really appreciate Gary Beacom's uniqueness and innovation, though.  I
was fortunate enough to see him perform in person at the Boitano/Witt
"Carmen on Ice" tour; the crowd loved him.  In fact, I remember seeing
a professional competition on TV in the last few years in which (I
believe) he came in FIRST!  The announcer's comment was that the
skating establishment had finally validated his style in an official
way.  'bout time!

>I should mention here that Orser's poor showing in the last couple of
>years of professional competitions is understandable.  He lost a very
>good friend last year after a long, degenerative illness.

Brian Orser skated a program dedicated to the memory of Rob McCall
(former ice dance partner of Tracy Wilson) at a professional
competition earlier this year.  I was absolutely dismayed at the
incredible insensitivity of the TV commentator towards Orser's grief
over the loss of his best friend.  Orser said it was tough getting
through that program, and was obviously moved.  Knowing that, the
commentator should have known better than to ask him to "explain what
Rob McCall meant to you"... Orser finally had to excuse himself.  The
press are a bunch of idiots who don't have the good sense that God
gave to a Kindergartener.  [kindly forgive my rantings and ravings]

Fred Chapman
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From: kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Subject: Re: request for racing information
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:25:12 GMT

damon@nomad.osf.org (Damon Poole) writes:

>I am planning a racing tour this year for the May-July timeframe. Basically,
>I want to spend a month racing my brains out in California, Colorado, and
>nearby states. Any suggestions on the busiest race month in this time frame?

I have not seen any schedules for this year yet, but around May-June-August
there is usually a race every other weekend or so around the SF Bay Area.

Also, the (newly lengthened, oh joy) 140 mile Fresno-Bakersfield race is
planned for mid to late April from what I understand.

Kimon
kimon@holonet.net
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From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: helmets/lids
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:23:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.143833.13904@linus.mitre.org> sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay) writes:
>> Did you acquire knee/wrist/elbow pads, too?
>

>Well, now that you mention it, yes in a way. Seems I have these knee and
>elbow pads from a few years back when I did the soccer thing in HS a few years
>back.
>They were huge on me then and always falling off(I was a stick) so I
>hardly ever wore them, but now they happen to fit just fine, so I was going
>to use those...

These are not the kind of pad you want for skating. The point of knee/elbow
pads is to *slide* on asphalt, harmlessly dissipating the kinetic energy. Your
soccer pads will grab on asphalt.

>After looking at a number of these, I've noticed a small label on the inside
>of most of them that says something to the effect of "is designed absorb and
>dissipate kinetic energy from a blow or impact by damaging itself. If this
>occurs return to a competant professional for examination or destroy
>immediately"
>
>How true is this and how much of it is designed to be a cruft for the
>lawyers?  Should I be worried about having to trash it everytime I take a
>spill?  Is there anything out there more survivable or is this the way
>they're pretty much supposed to be?

The padding inside of a helmet is one-shot stuff. Compressing the polystyrene
is what expands the time of the impact and lessens the forces. Once
compressed, the plastics will not re-expand.

Some of the helmet manufacturers will replace your helmet if you are in
an accident within the warranty period. 

Finally, head-related impacts happen rarely on skates. The reason for wearing
protection is that the consequences of such an impact are high. A head failure
may be a difficult thing to live with.

>----Steve

--phil
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From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Subject: Re: Professional Ice Skating
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:48:15 GMT

In <1iob7hINN3s2@umbc8.umbc.edu> ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257) writes:

>In article <1io0vlINNj64@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>>
>(NOTE: The only reason I'm rambling on about this is that there 
>isn't nearly enough discussion about figure skating in this
>newsgroup. Any opportunity to discuss figure skating, even if
>it is over such as silly thing as which medals are more prestigious,
>is better than worrying about pregnant women rollerskating!)

I actually think there is room for both discussions. None of us
will ever go to the Olympics, but we will probably be exposed
at some point to a woman or be a woman that wants to continue
skating while being pregnant. Concerns about pregnant women 
applies to all forms of skating not just rollerskating.

Personally, I would rather talk about doing things,
than hear about other people doing things. Discussion about
technique and things relevant to skaters around me, including
pregnant skaters,  is more important to me than who wins what
medal, but again that's my choice. 

Certainly we can increase the bandwidth about ice figure skating.
But we've  increased it a lot since the summer when there were
a lot of complaints about the lack of ice discussion.
 

-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
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From: debrm@iastate.edu (D Reed-Margetan)
Subject: Re: Favorite skater
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:12:14 GMT

In article <1itnuaINN7e3@umbc8.umbc.edu> ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.180130.28883@wdl.loral.com> sol@spl1.spl.loral.com (Sol Ezekiel) writes:
>>
>>My favorite program of his was the "Henry V" program he performed at the
>>Olympics.  I still watch that from time to time to see the beauty of his
>>skating- his spirals, spread eagles, arm positions, and so on.
>>
>That's one of my favorites too. I watch it occasionally, but I usually
>get disgusted with Scott Hamilton's commentary that really messes up
>the music. There is a video of the 92 Winter Olympics that I've
>been thinking of buying. Is there anyone out there that has it and
>could you tell me if they cut out the insane commentary during the
>programs?
>
>Mary
>
>
>

I have a copy of the 92 Olympic video that is devoted to figure
skating.  Yes, the commentary is deleted.





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From: sol@spl1.spl.loral.com (Sol Ezekiel)
Subject: Re: when to have ice skates sharpened
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:52:08 GMT

In article <C0E1Bu.10H@rice.edu>, mmzn@rice.edu (Mark Mazina) writes:
|> 
|> How do people decide its time to have a pair of skates sharpened?  Number
|> of hours of use?  How the bite feels?

I usually watch how well I can hold an edge.  If my edges are dull, I'll slide
off them during an entry into an edge jump (like a loop) or a spin.  Since
you skate on hockey skates, though, I don't imagine you do a lot of jumping or
spinning.  I would just note how much I "sideslip" on tight turns.

Number of hours, while probably a consistent indicator, is hard to judge
because it varies from blade to blade as a function of the type of steel used.

Sol
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From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: in-line skating on damp pavements :-(
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 20:39:01 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

Skating on damp pavement is dangerous. In particular, wet tree leaves
on wet pavement is very slippery.

Your observation that the in-line season doesn't begin until March
has more to do with ambient temperature than pavement dryness.
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From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Subject: Re: when to have ice skates sharpened
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:43:28 GMT

In article <C0E1Bu.10H@rice.edu>, mmzn@rice.edu (Mark Mazina) writes:
|> 
|> How do people decide its time to have a pair of skates sharpened?  I was once told that if the edges will shave a layer off the flat side of your fingernail, then the blades are still sharp; but that may be an old wife's tale [hmmm, I believe it was my ex|>  who told me it, but I digress :-)]
|> 
|> How do people decide?  Number of hours of use?  How the bite feels?  This
|> latter method doesn't work well for those of us that don't have lots of
|> experience.  Sometimes I know its just me being sloppy or tired.
|> 
|> Oh, and I skate in hockey skates if it matters, but don't play hockey.
|> 
|> Mark

When a tight turn puts you into the boards, it's time to sharpen the skates!!!

Seriously, I find that when I can feel some sideways slipping during turns, then
it's time to hit the sharpening machine.

On a related note, what do people pay for sharpening?  I pay $3 per sharpening
at Power Play Hockey in Sunnyvale, Ca.

-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
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From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: Re: Ice Dancing Music
Summary: xxx
Keywords: xxx
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 18:29:20 GMT

dbrown@apollo.hp.com (Diane Brown) writes:

> I'm looking for some information on where I can purchase
> Ice Dancing Music for ISIA or USFSA tests.  Any suggestions
> appreciated.

I would think that a dance pro at your local rink would be willing
to let you copy the tapes that he/she has.  I don't think that
the music in ice dancing is copyright protected (stuff like the
"dutch waltz" has been around forever).

Kevin Anderson
From: fc03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Frederick W. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Pregnant roller-blading
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:42:02 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <55870037@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com
(Kirk Lindstrom) writes:
>>Sonny writes:
>>I have a friend who is about 7 months pregnant.  She has stopped 
>>about.  I guess I just worry about the bigger falls which could cause 
>>internal damage.  She is kind of old (30), so I would hate to see her 
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I laughed so hard I almost reruptured my double hernia scars!

Being 31, I also found this remark rather amusing.  :-)

>>have a bad accident and have to start over again.  I know that one of the 
>>advantages of rollerblading is the low-impact nature of the exercise, and 
>>I understand that it is important for pregnant women to continue to get 
>>some kind of exercise up to labour, but when is the best time to hang up 
>>the blades and just settle for boring walks down the beach.
>>
>The beach walks could do more damage - walking in sand isn't that easy.
>She could also trip on the stairs and land on her belly - maybe she should
>refrain from going up stairs since she will eventually have to go down!

I think that the original poster is correct to be concerned about this
woman's safety; if she builds up any kind of speed and hits a bad spot
in the pavement or sidewalk unexpectedly, the result could be tramatic
(in my unmedically trained opinion).

Fred Chapman
Non-Pregnant Ice Skater
:-)

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From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Music at Public Skating Sessions
Date: 9 Jan 93 17:33:11 GMT
	<1993Jan6.055327.6787@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: ewalents@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu's message of Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:53:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.055327.6787@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
ewalents@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Erich Walentschak) writes:

   I agree wholeheartedly!!  I am a roller skater turned ice skater and that used 
   to be my favorite part of roller skating.  It just wasnt the same if you could 
   hear each other talk.  They had a DJ who took requests, had the couple skates 
   and special skates and made it a real big thing.  Now as an ice skater, Im
   usually depressed by public sessions.  Im too cheap to pay $5/45 minutes for
   free style sessions since I skate pubic sessions for free, but the atmosphere
   is kinda lame.  The lights are always blinding and the music, even if it is
   good, is too low to hear.  Course the music is usually a random tape chosen by
   the current skate guard.  With our guards, this choice is usually something
   noone else has ever heard before.

One of the problems with most ice rink designs not discussed so far
are their *BAD* acoustics. This I think is a big factor in ranking
music as an incidental rather than a top priority. This is a *main*
reason I prefer roller skating over ice skating, because the thing
that motivates me to roller skate is the dance aspect of it.

   On the other hand, going back to roller rinks doesnt appeal much cuz I like ice
   better and I feel old enough to have fathered many of the kids at the roller 
   rinks.  So I guess Im stuck.  :)


Yes many rinks do not have a diverse enough rink schedule. You could
try to find one that has adult sessions. For older crowds - say where
the mean is in the 30s -- the weekday morning (get away from the kids) adult
skate that many rinks have is a good bet. Also, if you are in NYC check
out the Roxy on Wednesdays from 8PM-2AM. There you will see a very
serious, active, energetic older crowd doing their roller skating thing to contemporary
dance music.


  Roxy
	    Event: (212) 627-0404
	 Buisness: (212) 645-5156
	      NYC: 515 W 18th St (10th Ave)
		   Manhattan, NY  


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: barisajj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu (Joe Barisa)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Music at Public Skating Sessions
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:33:41 GMT
Organization: ?
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Having once worked in a Roller Skating Rink (doing
everything from repairing skates, cleaning floors and yes
playing music) I have to agree with the sentiment that
Roller Rinks tend to have "Programs" more so than ice
skating.  The Rink I worked at offered a wide variety of
programming.  For instance Thursdays and Sundays were
adult/dance nights when we either had live or taped organ
music. Fridays Saturdays and Saturday Late Skates were
"top 40"/dance/rock. Sat and Sun afternoons "Top 40"
(basically what ever anyone asked for if we had it we
would play it). Wednesday was interesting in that it was
an attempt to provide both organ music and "top
40"/dance/rock. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it did
not.

I personally do not like "DANCE" music, just not my type
of music, however it is very good to skate to and
therefore appropriate.  At the same time I also believe a
mix is needed in order to satisfy a wide range of tastes.
 Maybe a 80/20 mix of Dance(80) to rock(20).  I was once
at a session were they played 3 tracks by Tecnotronics in
a row and it was rather boring and monotonous to me and
from the number of people who left the floor half way
through the second track I imagine many others felt the
same. Also I have noticed that at the Rink I frequent now
(unfortunately the one I liked closed because of
insurance problems) tend to play the same songs every
week for the last month, different order but nothing new.
Which I guess means that I should factor a new/old quota
in the original equation.  Finally one other thing that I
have seen at Roller rinks but not at Ice rinks are
specialty items such as (shuffle, backwords, men/ladies
only, hokey pokey, mexican hat dance, alley cat,
traditional dance (gold, silver and bronze)) These are
usually done about half way through the session
encompassing one song (or roughly 8 mins) Dances of
course usually 4 2-3 min numbers.

Well there it is just my $.02 worth.
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Ice Dancing Music
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:27:44 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
Keywords: xxx

In article <1993Jan5.182920.10481@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
> dbrown@apollo.hp.com (Diane Brown) writes:
> 
> > I'm looking for some information on where I can purchase
> > Ice Dancing Music for ISIA or USFSA tests.  Any suggestions
> > appreciated.
> 
> I would think that a dance pro at your local rink would be willing
> to let you copy the tapes that he/she has.  I don't think that
> the music in ice dancing is copyright protected (stuff like the
> "dutch waltz" has been around forever).

The organist at my local rink has quite an assortment of tapes of
his music that he sells.  Most are general "roller rink music" but
some are dance practice tapes.

The local dance instructor has a collection, but you get to hate
them pretty quick!

-- 
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From: kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu (They call me Ren)
Subject: Re: WINTERTIME INLINE SKATING
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:11:21 GMT

RRATEICK@vma.cc.nd.edu wrote:
: The only problem with winter skating is cold feet.
: Those cooling holes in Aeroblades sure do work.

hmm.....i always thought the main problem with winter rollerskating was 
ice and snow.
karen
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From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Subject: Re: Pregnant roller-blading
Keywords: xxx
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:58:01 GMT

In <1993Jan8.172532.10330@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson) writes:


>kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:

>When I was a kid I had a skating coach that put on the 'ol skates
>and went out on the ice all the way up until a few weeks before
>her delivery.  It scared the hell out of some of us.

My first ice coach was pregnant when I was getting ready for my first 
Regionals competition. She would go out on the ice, sometimes with skates
and other times she would just teach from the side. The day before my
competition she went out on the ice to show me some things.  Many of us
were concerned, but she wanted to do it. I competed the next day and found
out afterwards that she had left the rink after my lesson that previous day
and went almost immediately into labor and had her baby that evening.

We were very concerned at the moment, but were able to joke later that
she waited till she was done teaching me to have her baby.



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From: fredrikm@ii.uib.no (Fredrik Manne)
Subject: Re: Professional Ice Skating
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Bergen
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 08:50:36 GMT

In article <1ijcieINN68a@network.ucsd.edu>, kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
|>  My first instinct
|> when I enter the GW Forum is to yell: "MCSOREY SUCKS!!"  I could tell
|> immediately from the looks of the people around me that the crowd which
|> watched figure skating is alittle different than your typical hockey 
|> crowd.


Once I went to a see the local hockey team Bergen Ice-hockey Club, 
short form "BIC". During a period when the local team was doing exceptional 
well everyone was yelling: "BIC, BIC, BIC". When the cheers died down I tried 
a cheer for "GILLETE" but strangely enough no one really thought that was funny.

Fredrik.
From: fc03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Frederick W. Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: when to have ice skates sharpened
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:32:37 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <ABOULANG.93Jan5124459@kariba.bbn.com>, aboulang@bbn.com
(Albert Boulanger) writes:

>In article <C0E1Bu.10H@rice.edu> mmzn@rice.edu (Mark Mazina) writes:
>
>  How do people decide its time to have a pair of skates sharpened?  

>I have figure ice skates and I don't use them that often (I am a
>ROLLER skater ;-)), but if I do a jump and the landing edge slips, I
>think it is time to sharpen them.

How often do you have your roller skates sharpened?  :-)

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