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From: kurtzman@pollux.usc.edu (Stephen Kurtzman)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Transferring Frequent Flyer ticket
Date: 5 Sep 1992 13:22:20 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Sep3.230540.27487@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:

>call the experts at delta and ask; they have a toll-free number.

and take what those experts say with a grain of salt until the ticket is
in your hand... I recently had an helluva time getting the correct information
on upgrading a coach ticket to first class because the "experts" at the
toll-free number didn't know the proper answers, but gave me answers anyway.

As an aside, has anyone noticed the flight attendents getting a little
less friendly and helpful lately? I just went on a Delta flight last
week and saw two crews who looked tired, didn't smile all that much,
and were not as polite as I am accustomed to.  Perhaps the work load
due to all those summer cheap seats has gotten to them.
-- 

Stephen Kurtzman             | "where desire writhed there stands a stone;
kurtzman@pollux.usc.edu      |  the change was sudden and complete"
                             |                              -- Maggie Roche
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: How to get to OAK from downtown SF?
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:40:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
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In-reply-to: swood@unixg.ubc.ca's message of Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:42:22 GMT

On Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:42:22 GMT, swood@unixg.ubc.ca (Stephen Wood) said:
> Looking for inexpensive public transport or airport bus to go from
> downtown SF to OAK on a Saturday afternoon.  How long will it take?
> Can I use BART?

Yes, you can use BART.  There is a BART station at the airport (though
it is not at the terminal, you have to take a shuttle bus between the
BART station and the terminal).

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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Virgin Airlines
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:46:56 GMT

ifav503@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Brian Michalk) wrote: 
->I recently read two articles in Conde Nast Traveler about Virgin
->Airlines.  Is there anyone who has flown on this airline?  Does Virgin 
->fly to Europe?  Info please.  No email please.

virgin flies (at least for now) exclusively between north america and
europe ... in the discussion of the merits and downsides of various
airlines, i've not heard a single bad word about virgin ... and
they're certainly more comfortable than british air (which isn't a bad
airline, but has *very* tight seating ... )

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
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From: ejh@colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: Re: Transfers from JFK
Organization: CIRES, University of Colorado
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:47:08

In article <1992Sep14.235918.29160@fid.morgan.com> sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:

   From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)

   In article <1992Sep14.232933.21710@udel.edu>
   wheeler@mercury.cis.udel.edu (Aaron Wheeler) writes:

   >Now, can anyone provide recommendations on getting from Kennedy to
   >Midtown?
   >
   >I have looked at two options.  The Carey express coach runs quite
   >frequently and looks like a good bet.  The JFK Express train is
   >another possibility.

   Not any more.  The JFK Express stopped running a while ago :-(.

   >One problem with the train: everyone at the Port Authority gives me
   >a different story.  One says that I take the free shuttle from JFK
   >to Howard Beach Station, then I take the "A" train to midtown.  Another
   >says the train loops through JFK into Midtown.  What is the true story?
   >Also, what is the fare for the trip?

   The train doesn't go into JFK (well, the Howard Beach station is at
   the _far_ end of the remotest parking log; you take a bus to get
   there.)  I don't know how much the trip costs; if the shuttle is free,
   the train is the regular cost.  It also takes forever (the A stops
   every few blocks).  Also, depending on the time, it fills with regular
   passengers.  There are also probably a lot of stairs at the midtown
   end; not exactly what you want with luggage.

   Depending on where in midtown you're going, you're probably better off
   with the Carey bus.

   Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com


Bzzzzzzz! Sorry wrong answer. But please take our play at home
version...

You take a free bus from just outside where you get your luggage to
the JFK express. It's about a 10 minute bus ride. The bus is marked
with a big blue circle with a plane inside, and has JFK EXPRESS
written all over it. It comes by every 20 minutes, I think. The train
takes a long time, but that's because JFK is far from downtown. Allow
about an hour and a half. The train runs on the A-train tracks, but is
not the A train, and doesn't stop at all until it get's downtown. The
price, last time I took it was $6.50 plus $1 to get into the subway in
the first place. (i.e. if you're taking it back to the airport you pay
a buck at the appropriate subway stop to get to the platform, then
$6.50 on the train. I last took it about 3 years ago, so the price has
probably gone up. The train is ariconditioned better than most NYC
subway cars, and there's always a cop on it, so it's very safe (once
you get off, you're on your own!), and I've taken it many many times.
One more note, allow two and a half hours taking it back to the
airport, if not more. This applies to the Carey bus too. The airport
is a LONG way away from downtown!
--
Edward Hartnett			ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu
From: vchk@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (Vidya Chakaravrthi)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Looking for Cheapest Ticket
Keywords: Looking out
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:06:03 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Dear Netters,

	I would like to know the cheapest air ticket from
Rochester,NY -> Madras, India (Via Europe). 

Thanks in advance.

Vidya Chakaravarthi
vchk@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu
From: ifav503@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Brian Michalk)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Virgin Airlines
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:45:10 GMT
Reply-To: ifav503@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Brian Michalk)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: ifav503@sleepy.cc.utexas.edu

I recently read two articles in Conde Nast Traveler about Virgin
Airlines.  Is there anyone who has flown on this airline?  Does Virgin 
fly to Europe?  Info please.  No email please.
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From:  wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin)
Subject: wanted: cheap fare to Milan Italy
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: net
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:25:09 GMT


I want to go to Milan for 3 months.  The roundtrip fare for a max stay
of one month is under $400.  For over that length of stay, the fare is
over $1000.  It would seem that with a factor about 3 here, something
could be done, though 2 travel agents think not.  E.g., they say that
the cheap fare is good only when originating in the US.  I couldn't
buy 2 roundtrip tickets, one starting in the US and the other in
Italy, and ignore the return half of each.

Does the net have any wisdom?  If you email, I'll post a summary.
Thanks.
-- 
Wm. Randolph Franklin,  wrf@ecse.rpi.edu, (518) 276-6077;  Fax: -6261
ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180 USA
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From: vnrao@teja.cs.ucf.edu (Nageshwara Rao Vempaty)
Subject: Re: Continental (was: Airlines to Fly ***Please Read***)
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:22:46 GMT

cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo) writes:

> marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger) writes:

>> Continental should be forced out of business
>[lots of contintal bashing]

>Seems like a lot of people have had a lot of bad service on continental.
>thing is, I've always had great service.  I'm not calling anyone a liar, but
>I want to make it known that there isnt just bad service.  I take many 
>flights with them from Bos->ORD without any problems.  Ive only had one delay,
>and it was due to weather.  I have never had a "personnel problem".

>Derek

  I travelled twice this summer on Continental (Orlando-Houston-SanJose) 
and (Houston-Minneapolis)  and several times in the past. 

  I was warned about bad service, but surprisingly, I found it was 
excellent.  It was a big improvement over what I saw in the past several 
years. 

   There was nothing unusual to gripe about. I will fly continental again
if they deliver this level of service.

VNRao

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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Transferring Frequent Flyer ticket
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:31:14 GMT

kurtzman@pollux.usc.edu (Stephen Kurtzman) wrote: 
->As an aside, has anyone noticed the flight attendents getting a little
->less friendly and helpful lately? I just went on a Delta flight last
->week and saw two crews who looked tired, didn't smile all that much,
->and were not as polite as I am accustomed to.  Perhaps the work load
->due to all those summer cheap seats has gotten to them.

that's what i keep hearing ... this should end soon (mid-september, i
think) ... 

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: mwj@beta.lanl.gov (William Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: TWA buyout consistent with bankruptcy prediction?
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:13:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Sep4.221313.14272
Distribution: na
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory


The latest Avleak carries news of the anticipated buyout of Carl Icahn's TWA
holdings by company employees.  At the same time it asserts that "industry
analysts" predict that this buyout won't postpone TWA's anticipated demise
by much, suggesting a death date of some time during 1993.  (Precision 
targeting, that, no?)  This seems somewhat peculiar to me.  What is the track
record of airlines (or other travel resources) that have become employee-owned
businesses?  Does it help, and if so, how much?  Inquiring minds want to know
-- not to mention holders of beaucoup TWA FFB miles. ;-)

-- 
Bill Johnson				| "This is a bit complicated, so let
Los Alamos National Laboratory		| me explain it backwards."  (first
Los Alamos, New Mexico USA		| line of a memo from a fellow Los
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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Transfers from JFK
Organization: my opinions only
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:37:36 GMT

In article <EJH.92Sep15114708@khonshu.colorado.edu> ejh@colorado.edu
(Edward J. Hartnett) writes:

>   From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)

>   Not any more.  The JFK Express stopped running a while ago :-(.

>Bzzzzzzz! Sorry wrong answer. But please take our play at home
>version...
>
>You take a free bus from just outside where you get your luggage to
>the JFK express. It's about a 10 minute bus ride. The bus is marked
>with a big blue circle with a plane inside, and has JFK EXPRESS
>written all over it. It comes by every 20 minutes, I think. The train
>takes a long time, but that's because JFK is far from downtown.

There may still be a bus, but the JFK Express train no longer exists.
When it did, it ran through the basement of the building I'm posting
from (in Rockefeller Center).

If you're so sure it exists, I still have half a coupon book full of
tickets for trips on it.  Want to buy it?

> I last took it about 3 years ago,

and about 2 years ago it ceased to exist.

(Damn tourists!)

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
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From: Anand.Rao@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Anand Rao)
Subject: Lufthansa-To travel or not?!
Keywords: Lufthansa, Xenophobia
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:10:44 GMT

About a month ago, I had asked my travel agent to book me a ticket to
India.  I had mentioned that I'd prefer Lufthansa Airlines.

After watching all the Xenophobic (and racist) activities that are going
on in Germany, I am wondering if this is a good move.  Why should I, a
"foreigner" support a German airline...and why should I pay $50 or so to
the German Government (for transit visa) that has not taken adequate measures
against the riotors.  Any comments welcome!
---Anand Rao

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From: trevor@media.mit.edu (Trevor Darrell)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airlines to Fly  ***Please Read***
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:59:14 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1992Sep11.073341.24176@ultra.com> marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger) writes:
>I have flown Continental 8 or so times in the last 8 or so months so
>it wasn't once or twice...it was 8 plus times I was treated like an
>ant, had mechanical problems, flew on empty planes, etc, etc. I know
>two "traveling salesmen" who refuse to step on a C. plane do to their
>maintenance record....my life in more important that competition. And
>no business has the right to stay in business when they treat their
>customers the way Continental does.

wow, you must be really unlucky. I've flown continental more than a
dozen times over the past 3 years through both their newark and denver
hubs, and never experienced anything beyond the usual headaches due to
ATC or weather delays. The staff has always seemed reasonable to me.
In terms of price for service recieved, I've always found continental
to be a very good deal. Full fare business travelers who don't pay
their own way might well do better with a airline like AA or UA which
has a more complete schedule.
From: baran04@wharton.upenn.edu (Dave Baran)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Hippopotamous in a tutu
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:24:47 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Sep13.150001.17354@ads.com>, charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
> But can 727s make it out again?
> 
> I was on a fully-loaded United 727 leaving Denver, and I listened to the pilots
> talk to the tower.  They insisted using the longest runway, even though 
> it was way-the-hell-and-gone over there (seemed like we taxied forever
> to get there).  And at that, it took off with all the grace of a 
> hippopotamous in a tutu.
> 
Denver's altitude (5200') on a warm day can be a challenge for any
of the older jets (727 or 737-200).  When the 727 first entered 
commercial service, it's performance was unbelievable when
compared to the 707.  Still, fully loaded on a hot day from
a high altitude airport, it does take a bit of pavement to get
and stay airborne.

Mexicana had a need for even higher altitude operations for their
727s in hot weather.  Boeing came up with a special variant of the
plane that uses JATO (small rockets that ignite during takeoff to provide a
performance boost).  I've seen a picture of this plane with the rockets
blazing, but am not certain whether it was actually put into service.  Has
anyone out there flown on one?  (The C-130 transport has the same
capability; the Air Force often demonstrates this at airshows...)

-- Dave Baran
baran04@wharton.upenn.edu
From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Subject: Airlines to Fly ***Please Read***
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:36:58 GMT


CO really makes people feel like dirt, but aside from that I agree
with the earlier threads....well, almost.

If you are going to book a super-duper reduced fare, book it on
AA.  They lose money every time you do.  If they're in a market
with Southwest, book AA.  Again, they're losing money.

If you need to book a *full fare* (ouch!) ticket, THEN book
it on the airlines that need the money.

I just returned from using my $200 round trip tix on AA, and I
know that after a change of planes, flying the commuter Eagle
flight from SNA -> LAX, having meals, using my own headset,
and almost getting "bumped" (darn!) that I cost that airline
a pretty penny!  (Of course, the last leg of the flight had the
worst pilot and the worst food I've experienced in 10 years....so
I guess I got what I paid for :-) ).


David Andersen
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:38:22 EDT
From: <HRL@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Philadelphia -> San Francisco by Air Ticket.

Contact me today for info on ticket.  It must be used within
days.  It's for a male person. Thanks. Howard
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From: parkerg@osshe.edu (Greg Parker)
Subject: Mexico City
Organization: Oregon State System of Higher Education
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:41:10 GMT

My wife and I are flying into Mexico City later this
month for our first Mexico vacation.
We have a layover of a couple of hours before
flying on to Zuajuanto.  Any comments about
MC airport?  We are coming in on United.

I hear that landing at Z. airport is a treat.



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From: jamesh@genghis.borland.com (James Hartley)
Subject: When is the best time to buy tickets?
Originator: jamesh@genghis.borland.com
Organization: Borland International
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:44:30 GMT

The subject line says it all.  A colleague mentioned to me yesterday that he
was so glad that he just talked to his travel agent about Christmas arrange-
ments, because air fares were *going up* later that day!  Is this true?  When
is/was the *best* time to get tickets for the Christmas season?
-- 
jamesh@borland.com
From: golder@ppd.kodak.com (Patrick Golder)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airlines Antitrust suit: Documentation
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:04:48 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep8.212531.14256@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>, xepama@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (P.Mann) writes:
|> 
|> In looking at the award schedule for the antitrust suit
|> settlement, I realized that I qualified for the maximum
|> compensation.  

I haven't seen the award schedule anywhere.  Could you summarize 
& post it?  Thanks.

Patrick Golder		Eastman Kodak Company
golder@ppd.kodak.com	901 Elmgrove Road
(716)726-0219		Rochester, NY  14653-5409
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From: simpsong@dns0.bham.ac.uk (Glyn Simpson)
Subject: Re: Virgin Airlines
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:09:26 GMT
Reply-To: G.Simpson@bham.ac.uk
Organization: The University of Birmingham, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Michael Weiss (weiss@babbage.seas.ucla.edu) wrote:
> In article <1992Sep6.223354.17968@cc.uow.edu.au> jlloyd@cc.uow.edu.au (Jonathan Lloyd) writes:
> >They fly to several east coast US cities including Miami, as well as JFK and 
> >Newark. Their fares are not the cheapest but (IMHO) their service is tops.
> 
> It should also be noted that they fly from LAX to London as well.

I'd second the comment on service - i flew with them last year from London
Gatwick to Newark, probably the best service I've seen. In fact, it was 
even better on the way back as one of the stewards had been to the same
school as me, 7 years previously.

--
Glyn Simpson, Systems Officer,  //  Voice: +44 (0) 21 414 6575
University of Birmingham        //  Fax:   +44 (0) 21 414 3952
Email: G.Simpson@bham.ac.uk     //  NIC Handle: GS56
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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: Need to get rid of vacation package
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 01:36:01 GMT

In article <4efE3Oi00iUx45VK8A@andrew.cmu.edu> Paolo Vergara Malabuyo
<pm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I have a vacation package to Orlando, FL that includes 2 round trip
>tickets and a 4 day/3 night stay in a hotel.  I found out too late that
>one of the travelers had to be 21 or older and now I can't return it.  
>The user would pay all taxes, etc. and there is a $150 deposit needed to
>process the whole thing.  
>
>A vacation package like this would normally cost about $1,250 but due to
>the circumstances and restrictions, I am willing to sell for about $525,
>negotiable.

Two airline tickets would cost around $300-400 (I paid $120 during the
fare wars).  Three nights in a hotel would cost under $200 (depending
on the hotel, under $100 is possible).

Paolo is asking $525 for himself, plus another $150, plus "taxes, etc.".

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
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From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: What's the deal with 727s at LGA?????
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:51:04 GMT

Nitin> == Nitin Gupta <ngupta@mtl.mit.edu> 

 Nitin> When I was at the US Open over the weekend, there were a LOT of
 Nitin> 727s flying over from LGA.  My question: why so many 727s?

Can you say "shuttle services"?  Remember, that's at least 4 flights an
hour (Delta and USAir, each going to BOS and DCA, assuming neither of
them ever has to add a plane).  All 727s.

Another note is that LGA is for domestic/short-haul traffic only...which
leads to smaller planes being used.  The 757 is a longer-range twin, and
gets used for stuff like BOS-SEA or BOS-LAX; it's somewhat wasted on,
say, LGA-CLE.  So you get lots of DC9s, Fokker 28s and 100s, 737s, and
727s.

Besides, until the '37 passed it, the 727 was the best-selling passenger
airliner in the world, and they *last*.

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From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Jet Lag, babies, what to do ?
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:11:27

>Also, is there a soc.children or alt.sex.hetero.consequences
>or  wherever that I could post this request ?

Sorry i can't help directly with your request, but there is a
group called misc.kids where you might find someone who can!

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway

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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: travel agency commission or not?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:35:51 GMT

bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler) wrote: 
->Re:  the person who made a reservation over the phone direct to 
->an airline then called a travel agent to do the ticketing --
->
->Does the travel agency get the commission for this transaction?

yes, they do.  what is true is that  the ticketing is sometimes more
difficult this way (if the airline you called doesn't share the same
CRS as the travel agency charged with ticketing, they have to call the
airline and arrange to get the reservation transferred). . . but this
is often offset by the time savings gained by having the airline agent
locate appropriate flights for you.

i'd be surprised if a travel agent refused to ticket a reservation
made directly with the airline.

--
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