From: downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs)
Newsgroups: or.politics
Subject: Re: educational system (was: Re: new initiative)
Date: 23 Jan 93 06:46:54 GMT
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In article <C18J7q.JCr@slipknot.rain.com>,
	robert@slipknot.rain.com.UUCP (Robert Reed) writes:
>|that's not surprising, the religious right is made up of self-righteous,
>|self-centered, anal rententive dip shits. so what else is new?
>Now you've got me completely confused.  Was this intended to be "tongue in
>cheek?"  The views YOU'VE been expressing are consistent with the religious
>right.  Does that mean that this was a self description?

no, that wasn't "tongue in cheeck", and no, it wasn't a self description.
in my case, it would be rather hard to be a member of the religious right,
when most of that religious would consider me a heretic.

i've found the intense hatred for the religious right by the liberal sector
to be quite interesting. and how they always assume that if someone believes
in ultra-conservative politics, that someone must be some kind of christian
fundamentalist. and that if someone believes that homosexuality should not
be a basis for minority status, that person must be heterosexual.

funny how i've not seen conservatives make those kinds of assumptions.

>Sigh.  As I suggested below, teaching "the facts" is not sufficient preparation
>for survival in a community.  Quality circles in modern manufacturing jobs
>require the ability to analyze.  Participation in our democracy requires the
>ability to make informed decisions in the face of conflicting "facts."
>Colleges are getting more difficult to enter and require more capable high
>school graduates.  "Decent" paying jobs will no longer go to someone who can
>merely read, write, and add.  It ain't the 50s any more.

it's wonderful how you are able to contradict yourself with every sentence.
first, you state that teaching "the facts" is not sufficient preparation for
survival within society. then, you explain how lack of acedemic abilities
prevent a person from making a living, participating in government, getting
into college, etc. now, try to actually think logically for a second,
rather than just following your liberal brainwashing...

teaching the "the facts" (i.e., actually giving the student an education)
would obviously give that student a better chance at making a living, and,
by actually providing said student a decent backgroud of knowledge, would
allow them to better participate in things such as government. true, they may
not be as able to as easily get into our liberally controlled universities,
but then, the value of a university degree is almost nothing if you aren't
going to become affiliated with a university when you graduate.

the fact is, with all bullshit aside, if our public education was actually
reformed in such a way as to provide a solid education, rather than focusing
on the ideals of a utopian society, and said educational system were able
to teach kids how to compete in the world, rather than how to have sex,
they would in the end be able to get along better within society.

>Not true.  Community standards generally overide personal standards, and a
>responsible community ensures that children brought up within it know what
>conduct is expected of them.

yes, it would be something if a community could ensure that children within
that community knew what sort of conduct is expected of them. of course,
the way to do that is to reach the parents, not the children. the children
will look to their parents, not society, whether society agrees with the
view of those parents or not.

>Thus it is perfectly reasonable for a community to
>dissuade children of a parent who teaches them that all blacks are trash that
>have subhuman intelligence and should be treated with contempt.  Communities,
>as social institutions which regulate the activies of individuals within
>them, have a responsibility to promulgate some rules of order.  Individuals
>who cannot abide by such restrictions should seek communities more in line
>with their views, or seek hermitage.

oh, yes, if one can't live within the socialist utopia, they should have
to fend for themselves.

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