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Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:55:08 -0400 
From: Stefan Monnier <sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Is there a Xedit mode?
	<KETIL.92Sep14160132@struts.ii.uib.no>

Excerpts from netnews.comp.emacs: 14-Sep-92 Re: Is there a Xedit mode?
Ketil M. Malde@struts.ii (395)


>    The subject line says everything.  Thanks...

> Suppose it does.  I believe Xedit (The one with X distribution, and
> not the VAX(?) XEDIT I suppose...) has a subset of emacs' editing
> commands.  Thus, emacs is *always* in Xedit mode, at least by default.

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By the way: is it an editing mode ?  :-)

I always thought it was just a joke:
load, save, delete, move, insert: great features !

or do I miss something?

	Stefan Monnier

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From: pho@dde.dk (Peter Holm)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Epoch 4.2 and 8-bit chars for non-X
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:15:36 GMT
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Just grabbed the new release of Epoch and still have problems with
entering and displaying the iso-latin-1 character set on non X terminals.

This is my ~/.emacs file :

(load "/tmp/epoch-4.2/epoch-lisp/iso-latin-1")
(setq-default ctl-arrow 'foo)
(setq-default meta-printable 'foo)

So where did I go wrong ? Characters above 0177 are displayed as
\xxx (yes my terminal can display them correctly. Works in vi). Entering
characters above 0177 doesn't seem possible, except by the x` notation.
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From: dharding@vesta.lssec.bt.co.uk (Derek Harding)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: needed: browse.el
Date: 15 Sep 92 09:17:32 GMT
Organization: BT D&P London


I need to obtain a copy of browse.el since our system does not seem to have
it. I do not have ftp access so if someone could either post it to
comp.sources.emacs or mail it to me I would be very grateful

thanks

Derek

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From: pap@tempel.az05.bull.com (Pierre Perret)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Re: Emacs under MS-Windows (was: MicroEMACS under GUI - what&where?)
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:36:44 GMT
Reply-To: pap@myths.az05.bull.com
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems Inc., Phoenix Product Division

In article <EBROWN.92Sep5000446@bud_light.kodak.com>, ebrown@bud_light.kodak.com (Eric Brown) writes:
|> Why not use Win32s when it becomes available. Win32s is 32-bit windows 3.1
|> dlls which should be available at the end of the month I think.
|> 
|> Also available at the end of the month is POSIX for NT. This should really
|> make live easy if you can port GNU emacs to a single process/thread using
|> the win32s api. (Assuming you can program for POSIX and then run in 3.1
|> using the 32-bit 3.1 dlls.) 

Unfortunately, that won't work: POSIX under NT is a totaly separate
subsystem from the Win32 subsystem. Win32s will only support NT
applications coded for the Win32 subsystem. I see no POSIX support
forthcoming under Windows 3.x.

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From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Freemacs on my 486 is given me problems... 
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 02:28:35 GMT
Organization: Crynwr Software

In article <12809@anderson> anderson@Software.Mitel.COM writes:

   If I use Freemacs in a DOS only environment, everything seems ok (although I
   have seen Freemacs lock up after exiting and entering Freemacs a few times).

Freemacs 1.6a crashes on me once, maybe twice a year.

   Even with a DOS only environment, I find that freemacs will "lock up" after
   invoking it a few times.

How are you exiting Freemacs?  If you're using ^Z, that just suspends
Freemacs and leaves it sitting in memory.  Run it a few more times,
and BOOM, no memory errors.

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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: steibel@venus.cs.umbc.edu (David M. Steibel)
Subject: Re: converting from Demacs (DOS Emacs) to real emacs
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:16:08 GMT

David.Fox@Saigon.COM writes:
> I am a user of Demacs, the DOS version of Emacs.  Recently I installed
> 386bsd unix, and got the binary for emacs.  I tried bringing over the
> documentation files from Demacs onto the Unix partition, but I was only
> partly successful, and I'm having trouble setting all the files up in
> the right places.

[stuff deleted]

> Am I just better off getting the whole thing (sans the binary) from somewhere
> as a tar, and then installing it?  Also, Demacs doesn't seem to have a lot
> of macros compared to the ones in the GNU Emacs manual - stuff like 
> rectangles sort, hanoi, dissociate are simply not there.  Would the full 
> thing have it?  I also need some help in setting up emacs to recognize 
> the PC arrow keys under unix.

YES!  Get a copy of the original tar of GNU Emacs.  I told you this a few
days ago when you asked the same question.  It will make your life alot
less complicated!  Besides, since you already have the binary, you
don't have to compile it.  The main distribution includes all of the
files that you are missing, and I wouldn't run Demacs lisp files under
real GNU Emacs anyway.
--
David M. Steibel;  Author of the Demacs FAQ;  Internet: steibel@cs.umbc.edu

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From: peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Re: shell command and macro completion
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:38:27 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines

In article <JCT.92Sep8091931@se33.wg2.waii.com> thompson@wg2.waii.com writes:
>
>I think the best solution is to determine why your .cshrc takes so
>long and do something to make it quicker.  I once had this problem,
>because I was setting my PATH and MANPATH inside of .cshrc; I had
>about twenty directories to search, and I added them to PATH one at a
>time.  It took forever.
>
>Finally it occurred to me that PATH and all environment variables are
>inherited, so they can go in .login.  I moved ALL my environment setup
>to .login and kept in .cshrc only the few aliases and sets I use.
>This sped things up tremendously.

I used to do this but I dont recommend it anymore.  The reason is that 'rsh'
doesnt run your .login. Its a real pain starting up X clients -- you have to
explicitly source your .login in the command given to the rsh. (Yes you could
write your own rsh script)

Also dont forget that everytime path (or PATH) is set it is rehashed -- this
is what takes the time.  I do it all in one shot, and it doesnt appreciably
slow things down, e.g.

set gnu_path = ( /local/gnu/expt/bin /local/gnu/bin )
set X11_path = ( /local/X11/bin )
set cap_path = ( /local/cap/bin )
set app_path = ( /local/TeX/bin /local/matlab/bin /local/maple/bin)
set news_path = ( /local/usenet/bin )
set my_path  = ( . ~/bin )
set loc_path = ( /local/3d/bin /local/mouse/bin /local/bin)
set loc_sys_path = ($gnu_path /local/std/bin )
set std_sys_path = ( /usr/ucb /usr/bin /bin /sbin /usr/hosts )
set sys_path = ( $loc_sys_path $std_sys_path)
set adm_path = ( /usr/etc /etc /local/etc)
set path =  (	$my_path $cap_path $sys_path  $adm_path\
		$X11_path $app_path $loc_path\
		 $news_path $demo_path $tw_path )
unset *_path
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: behrend@Ph1.Uni-Koeln.De (Joerg Behrend)
Subject: 8-bit characters such as German umlauts or French accents
Reply-To: behrend@Ph1.Uni-Koeln.De
Organization: University of Cologne, I. Physik. Inst., Germany
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 06:27:28 GMT

Is there a possibility to represent 8-bit characters (such as German
umlauts ae, oe,...) in the Emacs editor? It would be a pity if the
capabilities of Emacs could not be used also for German texts.


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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: asrael@bob.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stefan Schoef)
Subject: Re: DEMACS for OS/2 2.0
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:51:59 GMT

bjaspan@athena.mit.edu (Barry Jaspan) writes:

>GNU Emacs 18.58 was ported to OS/2 under a system called emx.  emx binaries
>run under both DOS and OS/2.  I can not comment on the quality of DEMACS
>versus GNU Emacs under emx under DOS.

Are you sure?
To install GNU emacs you need a HPFS partition (which I don't have, since
I don't have OS/2).
Does someone actually have an executable version of GNU emacs which runs under
pure DOS 5.0?
If the answer to my last question is yes, could that someone please post it
to me?

Thanx in advance

Stefan


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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: joost@cadlab.de (Michael Joosten)
Subject: Re: setting up function key for X windows Gnu emacs?
Reply-To: joost@cadlab.uni-paderborn.de
Organization: CADLAB, Paderborn, FRG
	<ALANB.92Sep2114728@sdlhpp2.sdl.mdcbbs.com>
	<PD.92Sep4121057@herts.x.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 16:04:28 GMT

In article <PD.92Sep4121057@herts.x.co.uk> pd@x.co.uk (Paul Davey) writes:

   What would be useful would be a display (type) dependant mapping, so
   that you can have different bindings for function keys on different
   displays.

   Then bindings could be specified in a directory of .el files called
   lisp/display (cf lisp/term).

   We might have

           ncd.el
           sunk4.el
           sunk3.el
           hp.el
   etc.

   A local database could map display name to display type.

   Maybe V19 has something like this?

A few weeks ago I made some experiments in order to achieve that automatic
function key mapping. I'm currently using emacs-18.58 (hacked with epoch's
rebind-key), epoch-4.0 and Lucid Emacs 19.2.

The big show-stopper is that X11 doesn't reveal you the sort of keyboard your
machine has. Sure, you could query the vendor-string in the Display structure,
but that doesn't give you much if you're using a plain MIT server (as wee do
it on Suns and Apollo DNs). The only way I think is to have a server-specific
.xsession or .xinitrc, which loads a special resource via xrdb in the server's
database. (say: *KeyboardType: Sun4)  Then you could query the 'rdb' in Lucid-Emacs
(x-get-resource "keyboardType" "KeyboardType" 'string) or epoch (epoch::get-default
"KeyboardType"). Since plain emacs-18 has no way to extract X11 resources in
EmacsLisp, you would have to hack 'just another trick' in the sources. All
pretty nasty and unelegant....

I posted this idea on help-lucid-emacs, and the answer I got from Jamie
Zawinski (one of Lucid's emacs hackers and author of a program called
"xkeycaps" that tries to "guess" what keyboard you have (it's a front-end for
xmodmap and really nice, too)) showed his opinion about the whole keyboard
concept of X11: "Add this to the list of Really Stupid Things that X Left
Out." plus a few further comments about the misdesign of
keycode/keysym/modifier, the confusion about function key names in MIT's X11R4/5
and the vendors (Sun,HP,DEC) and so on.

Sad, but true: There seems to be no good/easy way to have an automatic
mapping. But, of course, I would like to hear if anybody has found a better
way..

Michael



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From: slix@svcs1.UUCP (Bill Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: switching over from DOS Demacs to Emacs under 386BSD Unix
Keywords: Demacs,Emacs,files
Date: 5 Sep 92 22:24:27 GMT
Organization: Silicon Valley Computer Society, Sunnyvale, CA

Hi.

I've recently switched over from using DOS Demacs to GNU Emacs with
386bsd unix.

I was able to get the binary for it from someone at a local user group,
but since I had no support files, or documentation, I decided to get
all that stuff from the Demacs I already had - files like emacs.1, emacs.2,
the macros, etc.  I am having some trouble installing this.

First of all, I put the "emacs.[1-13]" and "info" and "doc" files into
/usr/local/emacs/info, but the system still wants and can't find files like
DOC-18.58.[1-13] in /usr/local/emacs/etc.  From doing some experimentation
(I actually had the emacs.[1-13] files renamed to DOC-18.58.[1-13] in the
/usr/local/emacs/etc directory, but info wouldn't work.  It sounds like
I need two copies of the same thing in both directories.  If this is true,
I don't see a need to duplicate 13 or so files in two directories.  The
Demacs didn't have to do this.  Unfortunately, DOS doesn't have linked
files, so perhaps I should create links for all these files, right?

Secondly, after moving them over from the DOS Demacs port, I had to
strip out the excess line feeds in the files.  When I did this, the
offsets changed: i.e., the numbers or tags to tell Emacs where to look
in the doc files to find info for commands with describe-key-briefly are
all screwed up.  As a result, describe-key-briefly will display wrong
text for the command or key that the help is requsted for.
 
Third, it appears I'm missing some macros.  I'm using the "GNU Emacs
Manual for version 18, March 1987" as a guide for both Emacs and Demacs and
many of the commands don't seem to work.  For example, when I do things like
mark-rectangle, it says "can't load file rect."  Other "fun" stuff
documented in the manual, such as M-x dissociate, M-x sort, etc., just
won't run.  Apparently these are all macros (because it can't load the
respective file) and Demacs (which wouldn't do these things either) just
didn't provide these macros.  If these are still provided, where can I
get them?

Next, I'm having a lot of trouble with ibmpc.el in Demacs, which is used
to set up IBM-PC specific keys, such as arrow, cursor position and function
keys.  These work OK in Demacs but I can't get them to work at all in the
Unix version.  On the command line, for instance, up-arrow emits "^[[A",so
I figured I needed to send that keystroke sequence but that doesn't work.
In fact, it seems I'm just duplicating what emacs already does under 386bsd,
since stuff like up-arrow moves the cursor about 1 paragraph up and inserts
an A which clearly isn't what I wish.  What I would like is to make the
arrow keys do what's expected.
 
Answers greatly appreciated.  Thank you for your time.
:w
Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.editors,gnu.gcc.help,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools,gnu.emacs.help
From: weisman@osf.org (Dave Weisman)
Subject: Re: Emacs under MS-Windows (was: MicroEMACS under GUI - what&where?)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
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Date: 9 Sep 92 13:43:29

In article <1992Sep8.190717.450@micrografx.com> thite@micrografx.com writes:

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   From: thite@micrografx.com
   Subject: Re: Emacs under MS-Windows (was: MicroEMACS under GUI - what&where?)
   Message-ID: <1992Sep8.190717.450@micrografx.com>
   Organization: Micrografx, Inc.
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   References: <WEISMAN.92Sep1191748@macaroni.osf.org>
   Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 19:07:17 GMT
   Lines: 34

   GO32 can't run until DPMI 1.0 is supported by Windows.  No DPMI 1.0
   server is available.  Windows supports/presents DPMI 0.9xxx

   The only option I see to get what you want is to DJGPP to compile
   to the a.out file and load that a.out file yourself via some tricks
   and techniques with the WINMEM32.DLL provided with the SDK.  Others
   (including myself) have done this.  If I had permission, I'd post
   the way I do this, but Micrografx currently owns what I do.

   I do understand there is a MEM32 lib someone else did is available
   on the net.

   Tom Hite
   thite@micrografx.com

Thanks, that's the solution I've been converging upon.  I've read
the SDK documentation on using the DLL, writing the "helper"
functions, etc.

Before I dive off the deep end and begin yet another "spare time"
project, can anyone point me to the public domain MEM32 library
which Tom mentioned?  I'll post a summary of replies if anyone is
interested.  Thanks again.

Dave
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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: qarl@eclop.wustl.edu (Karl Stiefvater)
Subject: Help!  Arrow keys!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:46:19 GMT

OKee.  From the FAQ, I get the jist of the "ESC [ A" arrow key problem.

Seems kinda silly to me.  It seems that Emacs makes some pretty troublesome
key binding decisions... ^S, ^H, ESC[... Seems like a Bad Thing.


ANYWAY.  I want to know how I can fix my arrow key problem at my site.
The FAQ recommends that I modify either my "default.el" file, or my
"term/xterm.el" file, or something.  However, putting (enable-arrow-keys)
in either of these files seems to have NO effect.  Emacs doesn't even
seem to look at these files.

What gives?

- Karl
From: anderson@Software.Mitel.COM (David Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Freemacs on my 486 is given me problems...
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:11:42 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


Hello netters:

I have recently installed a copy of Freemacs and it has been giving me
problems...

I installed it with no problems and followed all the appropriate instructions;
however, it seems that freemacs and MS-Windows do not get along :-(

If I use Freemacs in a DOS only environment, everything seems ok (although I
have seen Freemacs lock up after exiting and entering Freemacs a few times).

Here's what happens:

  o Boot up my 486
  o Enter WINDOWS (no problems)
  o Run Freemacs from within WINDOWS. (no problems)
  o Exit Freemacs and exit WINDOWS
  o Re-enter WINDOWS and I get a data configuration problem and windows
    will not bootup and it tells me to re-run the setup program.
  o I require to re-boot my 486 in order to get windows to run the second time.

To ad further problems... I disabled all sorts of drivers etc... and I found
that the problems seemed to go away when I disabled DOSKEY; however, the
problem eventually returned :-(

Even with a DOS only environment, I find that freemacs will "lock up" after
invoking it a few times.

I like using emacs at work and I would like to use this program but it causes
problems all the time and I find that I cannot use it without having to
re-boot periodically.

My Configuration is as follows:

486/33 with 256K cache
8 MEGS Memory
ATI/Ultra Video Driver
Vansi.sys driver installed
DOSKEY installed
386MAX memory manager installed. ( w/o 386MAX, problem still exists)


Any hints anyone??

Regards,

/David
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From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: Re: DEMACS for OS/2 2.0
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 18:47:30 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <715902193snx@rjck.UUCP>

> > Will the ported EMACS for DOS (DEMACS) work when used in OS/2 2.0?
> Why don't you just use Gnuemacs for OS/2?

One reason would be to use the same binary if you are using a dual boot
setup.

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: comp.emacs
Subject: ispell and UEmacs 3.11
From: russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Fulton)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:09:24 GMT
Organization: University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Has anyone written an ispell interface for Uemacs? If so I would very
much like to get hold of it. We are now using uemacs as our default
editor for news and email.

BTW we are running on an SGI 4D series with Irix 4.05 (if it matters,
which I doubt :-)


Thanks, Russell.
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Newsgroups: comp.emacs
From: adam@dadhb1.ti.com (Adam Hudd)
Subject: Re: Help!  Arrow keys!
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc., Houston, TX
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:23:46 GMT

Karl Stiefvater writes:

   Karl> OKee.  From the FAQ, I get the jist of the "ESC [ A" arrow key
   Karl> problem.

   Karl> Seems kinda silly to me.  It seems that Emacs makes some pretty
   Karl> troublesome key binding decisions... ^S, ^H, ESC[... Seems like a Bad
   Karl> Thing.

   Karl> ANYWAY.  I want to know how I can fix my arrow key problem at my site.
   Karl> The FAQ recommends that I modify either my "default.el" file, or my
   Karl> "term/xterm.el" file, or something.  However, putting
   Karl> (enable-arrow-keys) in either of these files seems to have NO effect.
   Karl> Emacs doesn't even seem to look at these files.

Karl, try the following in your .emacs file:

(global-unset-key "\e[") ;; disable default binding of M-[
                         ;; This allows for Sun arrow keys to be bound
(global-set-key "\M-[A" 'forward-char) ;; etc...
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