HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Joe Y. Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IBM's Hiring Policy
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:04:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: void.yzhou.721620275
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

IBM does hire foreigners, but I have seen the ads from IBM that say it 
only hire people from Taiwan, S.Korean, Sigapore (sp?), etc. People from
mainland are not included. I wonder if this is the IBM's policy, or some
specific departments'.

joe
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:41:29
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<Bx9uCo.HMI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <100791@bu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: espresso.ai.mit.edu
In-reply-to: lix@thames.bu.edu's message of 6 Nov 92 02:41:33 GMT

    From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
    
    In article <Bx9uCo.HMI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
      * * *
    >I am over 18,
    
    Any evidence? I can't see that from your big-mouth, emotional articles.
    
Age is correlated with maturity, but maturity is a function of many factors,
age is only one of them.  Even at 60, someone sometimes behaves like a child,
thus we have the word childish.

    >(deleted)
    >We humble people can do nothing,
    
    Not necessarily. Together we can make difference, 

Well said.
						      please donate.
I'd better watch my wallet.

    <but to tell the truth. But I only
    <tell truth, no more and no less. If you believe you have truth, don't
    <feel insulted. Simply tell your story.
    
    I am the one who believe you are telling your true feeling, but not
    necessarily the truth. Seek it, wait a second for cooling down, and
    judge whether it is.

Good advice.  Think before you write.  Think twice before you post.

     * * *
From: tong@ohsu.edu (Gong Tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: joke about Bush
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:49:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohsu.1992Nov8.214912.28002
Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University

In article <1992Nov6.192356.12070@news.acns.nwu.edu> Carl__@nwu.edu writes:
>After Bush was defeated in the election. Deng Xiaoping was so frustrated that  
>he had one heart-attack after another (total of 5). After he finally calmed  
>down, he picked up the phone and called Bush. "Hi, George!", he said, "I was  
>wondering if you would like to come up to China and take the position of Li  
>Peng. I am sure you are still much better in debate than little Li".
>
>Carl

I was told Mr. Bush is going to become the President of Yale Univ. .
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: please do not use "BC" to mislead people
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:30:46 GMT

In this newsgroup, "BC" more likely means "Blood Card" and "Blood Carders".
If you like to apply this to Clinton, you may like to use "Bill C".

sy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Lu's Tragedy 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:33:09 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

In article <1992Nov11.152801.504747@sue.cc.uregina.ca>, yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan) writes:
> The following is From Mr. Y.  He is not willing to reveal his identity.
> 
> 						-- Yan, Yongfei
> 
> -------------------------------
> beginning of message from Mr. Y
> -------------------------------
> 
> Mr. Yan Yongfei said:
> 
>>Nobody dares to be on Lu's side. Aren't you afraid of being labeled as the
>>potential second Lu? But let's be brave enough to reveal the true cause
>>behind the tragedy.
> 
> Actually, Feng Wei called Mr. X  in Liu's report Lu Gang the 2nd.

Since Mr. X is involved, I do not want to comment on this one now.  If I
got Mr. X's permission, I will.

> It's not difficult to see why there is nobody in the department
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> who dares speaks a single good word for Lu Gang. Even Mr X had to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wrong,   Mr. X did.  As I understand, Mr. X is not the only friend Lu
Gang had in town.    However, he is the only one who spoke out
publicly.
 
> say that he agreed on the content of the letter drafted by Feng Wei.

Wrong again.  My writing is not good enough to drafted such letter.
CND-CM Editor can tell you it is not from my hand (after reading our
personal reply).  

> 
>  Mr. Y
> 
> -------------------------------
> end of message from Mr. Y
> -------------------------------
> 
> It seems that Chinese students at IU are not encouraged to tell the
> truth. I suggest that we publish the letter from Feng Wei as well as
> this message from Mr. Y on CND-CM. I understand Feng Wei's and other

Good try!   and try again.
I can give you a suggestion:  change to  Mr. Y(an, Yongfei), then it is not
anonymous anymore.  CND-CM has to accept it. Although publishing is another
metter :-(.  Poor Y(an).
  
> Chinese students'  dilemma. It is already hard enough for them to study
> and live at IU, let's don't make it worse.

Unfortunately,  here is not really the "miserable world" in your mind.

> 
> Hell, I feel I am living in 60's and 70's China!! Don't you?

Here you go.  That's your problem!  I guess that's Mr. Liu Yujian's
problem too.
  
> 
> Yongfei Yan
Feng Wei
From: awu@mipos3.intel.com (Allen Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:14:06 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

I don't think a person chews food with mouth open can be considered a morally bad thing.  With different cultural backgrounds people have different habits.  

What make me feel angry is the disrespect for public order and inconsideration displayed by many Chinese.  The fact is that even a lot educated Chinese tend to display same kind of inconsiderate behavior.  

Let give you some examples:

Chinese New, a serve dinner was prepared for Chinese students, instead of orderly lines to get food, people fights like rushing to a bus.  There are mostly Ph.Dcandidates or masters students or visiting scholars.  Though majority of people are not like that, but quite a few people just took the who 2 by 1 feet large tray to themselves. 

On a public tennis court, a lot of Chinese (mostly from Taiwan) are playing tennis in the court.  The sign says each courts has a one hour limit, which is set by a clock.  The Chinese will very often come out to reset the clock despite the fact others are waiting.  The attitude is that as long as I get the most, who cares about others.  Guess coming to the US nullified the good habits learn in Taiwan, (if they ever did learn).  

I don't know what make people behave like that.  5000 yrs of civiliztion?  People do this kind of things with their kids present, I don't if the children will be like their parents when they grow up.   I hope not.
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Re: Zuo Zhiqi's "I stand by myself"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:01:40 GMT

I do not care which side/party Zuo Zhiqi stands on, but just curiously like
to raise a question: do those student organizations mean anything politically?
do those organizers have to be named as GaoGan or DiGan? 

However, I am positive about those organizations, which can more or less 
fix people's home sickness, although my experience with those organizations
is zero.

shannon
-------
From: XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Histry Of Famous Generals
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:30:40 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I afraid that you are arranging a fighting between
Guan Yu and Qin Qong.

X Xu
From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Gan4Bu4 Ci2Zhi2 30,000 more
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:57:49 GMT
Organization: Yang Zi Riverside
In-reply-to: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk's message of 10 Nov 92 18:08:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.180825.7031@bradford.ac.uk> H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG) writes:

>   A lot of government officials are resigned, or on unpaid
>   leave, to start more profitable bussiness
>   ...	
>   Many cheer for this while others worry that it will cause
>   quality of government officials to be worse and leads to
>   more corruption.

In one aspect, the corruption may be less if the officials resigned
and left for business. It could be much worse that the officials
STAY and DO business. Have you heard about the business men eager
to join CCP in order to take the advantage of official privilege
in doing business? In the country that is lack of substantial laws,
can you imagine what the hell would happen next?
From: XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Ozone Man's Beauty (is: Sunburn)
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:30:58 GMT
 <1992Nov12.040044.14257@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
Organization: Penn State University


 >From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
 >Subject: Re: Ozone Man's Beauty (is: Sunburn)
 >Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:00:44 GMT
 >
 >(deleted)
 >It might be due to the fact that the air quality here is much higher. Fewer
 >scatterer in the air let more UV ray pass through.

                  Suggest to make more pollution in air  to
                  increase scatterer density.
                  Or get Jia3 Bao3 Yuu4's
                  jade back and sent
                  the GIRL up to stich the Tian1.

 >
 >Any better theories?
 >


                 Seemed TIME had an article discussing
                 the Ozone effect above the north america,
                 just a couple months ago.

                 My memory never works well.
                 You can easyly distingush it by its cover,
                 looking like a funny pattern.

                 X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel))
Subject: [youth] teenage parenthood in China
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 01:11:22 GMT

     [Temas pli junula gravedeco.]

     The seven-o'clock Chinese language news talked about teenage
pregnancy in Taiwan.  What a deterioration of western winds to China!
I believe that (I complained a lot about this in certain discussion-
groups) it is the responsibility of every adult -- especially those
adults who think that they are adult and see romantically/sexually
liberal movies and magazines.  They create a market and culture for
the young to get exposed to.  And look! their young gets infected with
ideas which their society had to deal with.  And money cannot pay to
remedy this.

						Zhong
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:03:59 -0500 
From: Tieju Chen <tc2u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Info needed: CUNY

Hi,

    Are you talking about transfer or new admission? Anyway, let me give
you some general information about CUNY. CUNY stands for city university
of new york. It complies with more than 19 senior and junior colleges. I
believe that there are about 6 to 7 senior colleges that are offering
computer science degree. Let me name some of them: City College, Hunter
College, Brooklyn College, Queens College, etc. I can't say which one
has the strongest reputation though. I believe that they are doing central
admission if you are new. I am not sure about the case if you are transfer
student. I can get you those information over the weekend if you very need
them.
    One thing that I am sure is that it is not difficult to be admitted
into CUNY.

    If you want to send mail to me, please send it directly to my
work place : tie@cheetah.cc.bellcore.com

tie ju chen
From: ding@cs.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CEDIT30 - A Chinese Word Processor
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:44:32 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

This is for IBM only.

The file will be uploaded to simtel20 archive site under
<msdos.edit> directory.

I encourage you to upload to your local BBS board.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Carl__@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: a joke
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:03:18 GMT

In article <BxBGA8.InG@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu  
(achen) writes:
> In article <Bx9uzx.25x@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)  
writes:
> >A software company's president asked the R&D director on what kind of
> >equipment the company shoud buy. "A CPU, a monitor, a disk drive, and.."
> >the director answered. "Do not forget a Chinese to program them!" He added.
> 
> 
> Mr. Chunde Shi,
> 
> I don't think this joke was meant as a compliment to Chinese people.
> The real intent of this joke is to stereotype Chinese as worms
> who are only good at technical things.
> 
> In America's corporations few if any Chinese are ever promoted
> to senior management positions.  The reason given is typically...
> "Yes, he is excellent in the technical aspects of the job, but
> I think he lacks the people skills and the creativity 
> required of a manager."
> 
> The above joke was probably meant to maintain this type of myth
> and make the white people justified in not promoting the Chinese
> to senior management positions.
> 
> 
> 
> 

You misunderstood Mr. Shi's joke. If I am not wrong, Mr. Shi was teasing the US  
companies as well as the "Chinese nerds" who are "exploited" by the US  
capitalists. Mr. Shi does not like those Chinese people who work for American  
capitalists because it will make the US stronger and thus China relatively  
weaker.

Carl
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Need help for printing HXWZ
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:29:54 GMT
Organization: UB

/* ywang@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Youling Wang) wrote */:
* 
* I got the tar.Z files , compressed and then got PSpage0* files on my
* workstation (UNIX). That seems ok. The problem is that our workstation
* has no laser printer. So I use ftp to transfer PSpage0* files to my
* another UNIX account ( I cann't uncompress file there, because of small
* disk space), which has a laser printer, to print out using "lpr PS*".
* Unfortunately, I didn't get the Chinese out.

Those PS* are Postscript files and you need Postscript laser printers
basically. 

I would suggest the following steps to solve your problems: 

Step 1: To find out if the laser printer is Postscript laser printer. 
	If not, what it is. 
Step 2: depends on the result of step 1. 

-- 
xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu | Subscribe Chinese Poem Exchange and Discussion List 
mail LISTSERV@UBVM.BITNET with "SUB CHPOEM-L 1st LastName" in the MESSAGE BODY
InterNet Address: UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU | Posting in UUENCODED GB and BIG5
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:31:04 EDT
From: <3066211@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Refugee, America, Chinese

     Recently I see many people talk about refugee. It seems most of them think
that "refugee" is a bad word, particularly some of them even think they could
humiliate others by calling them "refugee". I find this is very funny. This
is not "American" at all. Read history, you will know America is a country of
refugees. Most of American's ancesters were either political, religious or even
simply economic refugees when they came to America. Or you may simply read the
words on the Statues of Liberty. If some Chinese people become refugees, that's
fine. That's simply one way to join Americans.

    Chinese, don't be treated by the literal Chinese translation of the word

"refugee".
From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:33:22 GMT
	<lg0e3gINNs5s@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
Organization: Yang Zi Riverside
In-reply-to: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM's message of 10 Nov 92 22:32:16 GMT

In article <lg0e3gINNs5s@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:

>   ...(stuff deleted)
>   A country has been ill for so many years, unless there comes a foreign 
>   invasion, Chinese people seem don't care of everything!!

I intend to agree with your previous part (deleted), but why does China
need a foreign invation? By whom? American, or African? Or by Vietnamese?
A lot of Chinese people do care about everything, like what we are doing
here. So, before thinking to invite a foreign invation, try to do something
by yourself, and by ourselves.
From: wwxiong@silver.ksu.ksu.edu (Weize Wade Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:  History of Famous Generals
Date: 11 Nov 1992 19:26:20 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: silver.ksu.ksu.edu


It is ture that Li Mu was and is a great general. He stopped XiongNu's 40,000 
men's invadsion. And when he was alive the XionNu deared not venture into China.

But I don't understand the reason someone think Li Guang was not a good general.
Like Li Mu, as long as Li Guang was in Han's broader, the XiongNu deared not come 
out and attack Han. In fack Li Guang was so tough that the XiongNu called him
" Han's flying general ". Li Guang's archer ability on the horseback is placed #1
in Chinese histry. Hua1 Rong2 (from Shui3 Hu3) was nikenamed "little Li Guang".

There is part of the poem that describes how bad China need general like Li Guang.
     
             Dan4 Shi3 Lu2 Cheng2 Fei1 Jiang4 Zhai4,
             
             Bu2 Jiao4 Hu2 Ma3 Du4 Yin1 Shan1.

* Fei1 Jiang4 == flying general refers to Li Guang*

But I also want to point out, Li Guang has never won a battle.
Reason: He was always out numbered by the XiongNu, not just 2 or 3 times
outnumbered, but at least 5 times or more. But Li Guang always managed to lead
his men to break through XiongNu's ring, and let XiongNu suffer heavy loses.
That's why XiongNu were so affrid of him.

According to Shi3 Ji4, after Li Guang's death, everyone cried in LongXi including 
those who didn't even Know Li Guang.

Li Guang was also the man who build up the first pure armored archer Cavarlary
army for Han Empire. His military rule in histry can also be spotted in western
millitant histry book. Check "Histry of Cavarlary Warfare" 

Maybe I over stated Li Guang, but if you have read Shi3 Ji4, and Han Shu you will
know why I think this way.
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Green Woods (was Re: Translation of Jiang1 Hu2)
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:43:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University

In article <92317.235427XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
<(deleted)
< >Date: Thursday, 12 Nov 1992 12:42:13 EST
< >From: Tao Yao <TAYAO@MTUS5.BITNET>
< >Subject: Re: Green Woods (was Re: Translation of Jiang1 Hu2)
< >
< >Is that read as Luu4 Lin2 or Lu4 Lin2? I remember we are taught it should read
< >as Lu4, same as *land* or *road* instead of Luu4,*Green*. So how comes the
<
<                    A netter identifies it as 6,
<                    his family name.
<
<*Green woods*?
<
<
<                    The netters just finished 3 Qin1.
<                    Here comes a Lu.
<
<                    Where are lix's teaching group w/ CiHai
<                    and fundation.
<
<                    X Xu

Here I am. According to my CiHai, this character should be pronounced
as "Luu" in colloquial language, but as "Lu" when reading. 

But in Sichuanese, we always read it as "Lu". This may represent the
direction of future development.

BTW, some netters may have decided not to donate to SOS China Education
Fund and feel offended by my signature. One has sent me email calling my
signature f**king. I feel sorry for such feeling and temporarily took
it off. However, I still believe a few dollars' donation will help poor
kids a lot, and one may feel better after he tried to help. So, please
don't feel offended by my signature even if you don't want to donate.

-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:33:40 GMT


In article <BxH0vK.HCE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>We poor Chinese don't have anyone else to celebrate. 

We were used to cheer for Mao Zedong, but we reallized that it is one of
the reasons of CR. So we wouldn't cheer too much to any person.

However, we do have a lot to celebrate. 
We celebrate the successful launching of AsiaSat and AuSat. (sp?)
We celebrate the winning and progress of Chinese team in Asia Games and 
	Olympic games.
We celebrate Xie Jun's queen position in the international chess game.
We celebrate a completion of a railroad, a highway in China.
We celebrate a connection of a optical fiber communication line in China.
We celebrate the fruitful works in Beijing Electron-Positron Collider.
We celebrate the implementation of the silicon-editing system (a software 
	package used to design very-large-scale-integrate-circuits).
We celebrate our economic growth.
We celebrate import/export growth of China.

We celebrate all the progress of our country, no matter how large or how 
small a step is. Chinese people made the progress. They are heros/heroines.
We cheer for our people.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: What  can we learn from this asia cup?
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:38:36 GMT

In article <1dni16INN49n@aludra.usc.edu> yongkang@usc.edu (Yongkang Tang) writes:
>
>today i saw the 'People Daily', which talked about the the match between
>China and Japan. From that , i knew we lost the game at the situation of 
>11:10 , the japanese goalkeeper was driven off. and also we scored at the 
>first minute.
>even so, those guys could not defend very well, and the other goal was only 
>due to the mistake of their substituted goalkeeper.
>
>I was so disappointed. finally, japan won the champion , beating S. Arabia.
>How can japanese do that, but chinese can't?
>Why? Why?
>

I heard some people on the net mentioned that the Japanese team has
several foreign players. The Chinese team now has a German coach.
Why doesn't it acquire some foreign players as well?

Maybe it is because of the money, maybe it's because the Chinese people
don't like foreigners representing them. Actually, I think even though 
there are foreign players in almost every club team in Europe, there
aren't any such players in the national teams.

Anyone want to discuss this?

Fan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Prostitutes from China
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 01:15:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.223340.8228@msdhsv.ingr.com> Dayie  writes:
>
>A comparison can be drawn between prostitutes and "blood carders":
>
>	Prostitutes sell their bodies and souls for the "quick and easy" money,
>"blood carders" sell their motherland for the "quick and easy" "blood cards".
>
>	Prostitutes should get normal, harder and lower paid jobs to make decent
>living because there is something more important than money , "blood carders" 
>should go through the normal immigration procedures to get their green cards
>because dignity is more important than green card itself. You have to carry 
>honesty and dignity with you.
>	Stop lying and China bashing!
>--
>Dayie

  What about those Diaoye's who sneak into prostitutes' bedrooms in night
  and condemn prostitutes in day?  Some even complained that prostitutes
  are not virgins and accused prostitutes of cheating.  Probably they should
  give the prostitutes a moral lesson while in their bedrooms.

-ping