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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BTAS: Bullock and Corrupt Cops
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:02:15
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu's message of 11 Nov 92 02:03:51 GMT

>>>>> On 11 Nov 92 02:03:51 GMT, walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu said:

walkerjo> Actually, if memory serves, when Bullock was first
walkerjo> introduced into the comics several years ago he WAS a
walkerjo> corrupt cop.  I wasn't around for his first run of
walkerjo> appearances, but shortly after I started collecting comics
walkerjo> he was re-introduced.  We're talking early eighties,
walkerjo> somewhere in there.  If I remember right, a corrupt mayor
walkerjo> put him on the force to keep an eye on Gordon.  Gordon knew
walkerjo> he was dirty, but couldn't do anything about it.  As time
walkerjo> went on Bullock got to be a pretty popular character, and
walkerjo> eventually he went straight.  Still, most depictions of him
walkerjo> have him willing to bend the odd rule and at least vaguely
walkerjo> distrustful of Batman.  Joe Walker

Also Bullock was the number 2 man in the Goverment run group called
Checkmate. 
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From: kathyli@sdcrsi.cray.com (the Rev. Mom)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Animated Shakespeare on HBO
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:16:44 GMT
Organization: CRS San Diego UUCP Gateway

> d-yang@cs.columbia.edu (David Yang) writes:
>
>Last night's show was at 7:30pm here in New York-- I'm
>not sure if the show is to be run weekly or monthly.

Monthly, at least.  My monthly cable guide lists only the MSN'sD
episode all this month.  They're also airing it on the 21st
(9am), 25th (7:30am) and the 27th (4:15pm) [times Pacific].

I've heard the HAMLET is painted glass.

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From: by24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Benjamin S. Yu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: "Anime" IS "animation"
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:46:36 GMT
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While i felt weird at first using the word anime to mean Japanese
animation, i'm OK with the word now.  For the reason that anime is an
english word (derived from Japanese).  It doesn't matter what the word
in Japanese means it is composed of the English alphebet and is an
english word and can be defined by what ever way the people want
(defined to one definition by legal means).
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From: jmarston@unix2.tcd.ie (Ken)
Subject: Gatchaman on video ????
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:32:54 GMT


   Is the original version of BotP available anywhere on video ??
I have episodes of Botp and also of the later (worse) G-Force versions
on tape but I have never even seen the original, and after all these
posts my curiosity is running wild.
     
   
   BTW, I have an annual printed by the BBC from way back when they
transmitted the show and they spell Keyop's name as, well, Keyop.
Ok, so this doesn't count as a definitive reference, but it does add
weight to the idea that this is the correct spelling.....

 Ken.


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From: dan@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: "Anime" IS "animation"
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:13:35 GMT
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In article <Bx9s24.HBE@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> deitrich@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu 
(Dave Deitrich) writes:

   That's easy.  It's because "Japanimation" sounds too much like "Jap" 
   animation.  I'm sure that most people don't mean anything by it or even
   notice it, but that doesn't excuse it, IMHO.  If you're going to discuss
   Japanese Animation, why don't you just call it by its real name: "Anime"?

There isn't a shred of evidence to support the argument that "anime"
is the "real" name of Japanese animation.  It's been said before by
others and at least three times by me - "anime" is simply the word
that most Japanese people use for animation.  

- Dan


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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: btas: Almost got 'Im(joker's sidekick)
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:43:44 GMT

In <1992Nov12.054741.21174@raven.alaska.edu> fsrsg@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu writes:

>I seem to remember joker's sidekick as from an episode
>of the shorlived, but great television series "The Flash"!
>in one episode, there was a joker type character...

The Trickster.  The similarity between Hammill's voice (and mannerisms) as
the Trickster and his voice for The Joker leave little doubt as to why he
was picked.  (I have the two Trickster episodes on a Japanese laserdisc --
Howard Chaykin and John Moore wrote the script, and they had a great time
with it.) 

>is this woman the same character/voice as the one inthis
>flash episode?  I know this flash wasn't animation, but close
>enough...*grin*

Oh, the woman who played the Prank sidekick in the second Trickster episode?
I really doubt it -- the voices are very dissimilar.

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From: mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Re: Battle of the Planets
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:05:37 GMT

In article <Bx91ur.Hyr@ansoft.com> louis@ansoft.com writes:
>
>He was wondering if anyone has the complete list of shows to
>the 'Battle of the Planets' show.  For those of you who can't
>remember it 

Can't remember it?  It haunts my dreams! :)

>a lot like Voltron, 4 males and 1 female.  They had a ship called the Pheonix
>which could 'flame-up',

Ah the Fiery Pheonix.  I could never figure out exactly what this succeeded
in doing.

> and inside the ship was 4 vehicles (one
>for each (4 vehicles and the main ship)).  The characters names
>were Mark (airplane), ? (race car), Tiny (Main ship), 'Be-bop' (tank?),
>and Ariel? ('Yo-yo craft').

Oh man all I can think of is a Pheonix crew consisting of a mutant from 
"Ninja Turtles" and a mermaid. :)

The characters were:
   Mark Venture: no. 1, he flew the airplane which was in the tail of the ship
   Jason: drove the race car
   Princess:  drove a motorcycle
   Tiny: flew the ship
   Keyop: drove what I call the PAC-MAN-mobile.  I guess you could call it a
          tank.

Incidently we mustn't forget:
   Dr. Anderson - in charge of the G-force
   7-Zark-7: a robot with loose contact with the G-Force who remained on the
             home base on Neptune-6 (?).
   ????????: 7-Zark-7's dog. What was its name?
   Zoltar: the evil force in the universe.  Zoltar was the ruler of a dying
           planet Spectra.

I also seem to remember Zoltar taking to a mirror with a "vulture-head" in
it.  This seem to have control over Zoltar in much the same way as the Emperor
had power over Darth Vader.  What was this thing called?  Was it also known
as Spectra?

>Anyway, he was wondering if anyone had some/all of these shows on tape,
>and how much the person would want for copies.  

I don't have any tapes of the show but I CAN help with the episode list.
E-mail me and we'll figure out the least painful way for me to get it to
you.

Michael
 a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler

 - Sacre maroon!
From: rutley1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Rob Utley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: BTAS:Robin????
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:47:30 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College

In the "Dreams of Darkness" episode, Batman, under the influence of the
Scarecrow's hallucinogenic gas, visualizes an illusory Poison Ivy, Alfred,
and ROBIN! By the outfit, it looks like the recent Tim Drake version. Has
Robin appeared in any of the other BTAS episodes?

-rob 
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From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re: Sanitizing Fantasia (was: Latest rumors)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:56:35 GMT

djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM  writes:
> In article <217.552.uupcb@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us> eric.troup@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Eric Troup)  writes:
...
> Disney & Co used racial stereotypes at a time when they were "socially
> acceptable," at the time, also, but not to make any points about common 
> humanity; just to get quick, cheap laffs from the stereotypes.  This point can 
> also be addressed to the Chinese mushroom sequence in the NUTCRACKER.

	I believe the mushrooms were chinese because the selection from the
Nutcracker Suite was originally choreographed as chinese dancers.  The same 
goes for the russian thistles.  I recommend that all Disneyphiles go see the
ballet this Christmas season to see how the music was done originally.
	The selection used in Fantasia occurs in the ballet when the girl and 
the nutcracker visit the realm of the Sugar Plum Fairy.
> 
> If one wants to complain about wrongheadedness, it's the minds that want to
> ban SONG OF THE SOUTH because Uncle Remus talks like an uneducated Southern
> black of the time.  Shit, he's *portraying* an uneducated Southern black of
> the time.  That's not racism, that's realism, dammit.
> 
	And what about Darby O'Gill and the Little People?
	And what about the horrendous rewriting of great folklore, like Beauty
and the Beast, the Little Mermaid, and Cinderella?
	
Torsten at Omaha	My lowest common denominator is zero. 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: BTAS: Bullock and Corrupt Cops
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:03:51 PST

In article <92315.170256NHT@psuvm.psu.edu>, Windsor A. Morgan <NHT@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> 
> Seeing Detective Bullock in "I am the Night" on November 9 brought up
> a question.  When BTAS was first broadcast, The (Baltimore) Sun TV
> reviewer gave it a favorable review, and stated that there was a
> corrupt police force.  This is much like the Gotham City from the
> comics (especially in Batman's early years).
> 
> When I first saw Bullock in the early episodes, I had him pegged as
> one of the bad guys.  Obviously he's okay, just a loudmouth.  That in
> itself is good:  in too many "kid's" shows, the unattractive, fat,
> blowhard is shown to be up to no good.  Bullock is all these things,
> but he is a good cop.
> 
> My question:  are there *any* corrupt police officers in the Gotham
> police force?  Is that something that the producers cannot show in a
> "children's" television show (that sounds like the Comics Code,
> actually:  "Thou shalt not show authority figures as criminals")?
> 
> 'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
>                          Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
>                          Space Telescope Science Institute
>                          Baltimore, MD   21218

Actually, if memory serves, when Bullock was first introduced into the comics
several years ago he WAS a corrupt cop.  I wasn't around for his first
run of appearances, but shortly after I started collecting comics he was
re-introduced.  We're talking early eighties, somewhere in there.  If I
remember right, a corrupt mayor put him on the force to keep an eye on
Gordon.  Gordon knew he was dirty, but couldn't do anything about it.  As
time went on Bullock got to be a pretty popular character, and eventually he
went straight.  Still, most depictions of him have him willing to bend the
odd rule and at least vaguely distrustful of Batman.
Joe Walker
walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu
From: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: BTAS ratings?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 00:16:54 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
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Does anyone know how BTAS is doing in ratings?  The reason why I bring up
the question is that all the promos this week have been "See the action...
see the action".  An early argument by critics is that BTAS wouldn't survive 
because the plots the plots were too complex for kids.  These promos suggest
that the critics may be right.

Chuck Gibbs
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: mwdenney@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Classic WB and TTA
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:07:18 GMT

Attention fans of the old WB cartoons:

The first story on Wednesday's TTA (entitled "Ruffled Ruffee") seemed a little 
familiar.  Ruffee (like Raffee the guy who sings kid's songs) is disturbed while
trying to sing by Buster playing his electric guitar nearby.  Ruffee gets angry 
with Buster and destroys his guitar and speakers.  Buster decides Ruffee needs  
an attitude adjustment and goes to his concert to heckle and wreak havoc.

Does anyone recognize this storyline? ;)  I think someone was watching some
Chuck Jones.  And if you think its just coincedence how about the scene where
Buster is keeping the beat for Raffee on a drum.  Buster keeps speeding up so  
Ruffee must sing faster.  At one point Buster takes his hands out of his gloves
(which keep drumming) goes off to do something and returns to his gloves.

Actually the story wasn't bad (although I didn't care for the design of Ruffee,
he didn't have much personality).  I'm just shocked that some people claim
TTA is completely separate from the old WB when there are so many tributes
and references to old WB, like this one, in TTA.

Michael
 a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler

- ...that's the nice fat opera singer!

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From: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: "Anime" IS "animation"
Date: 8 Nov 1992 03:02:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ryan Mathews)
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In a previous article, dan@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) says:
>There isn't a shred of evidence to support the argument that "anime"
>is the "real" name of Japanese animation.  It's been said before by
>others and at least three times by me - "anime" is simply the word
>that most Japanese people use for animation.  

Well, considering that "anime" is Japanese for "animation", I hardly find
that surprising. :-)  I hear the word is actually adapted from French, not
English, anyone know for sure?

We anime fans need a name for our obsession.  "Japanese animation" has too
damn many syllables in it.  "Japanimation" is considered racist by some,
and is still too long.  But hey, why not use "anime"?  That's what the
Japanese call it.  :-)  Well, actually they use it to refer to any kind of
animation, but still it's a convenient word.

			---------- Ryan Mathews
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From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)
Subject: Re: Anime or Japanimation?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:43:06 GMT

In article <DAN.92Nov6104219@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> dan@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes:

>The term "anime" as anything other than a general term is kind of
>strange to me.  It's like using the term "Bande Desinee" for European

     "Anime", used as strictly Japanese Animation or animation with the style
is a slang (or jargon, whichever) that was developed in the United States by
Japanese Animation fans.  See r.a.anime FAQ.

                                                                     -TKH '92
From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: marvel toons in general/xmen bashing included
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:56:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

In article <BxHL9u.IAv@rahul.net> wilsont@rahul.net (Timothy Wilson) writes:
>Hmm... i thought the Sentinels were from the future... during the pheonix
>time traveling era of the xmen. not created by the government.

Phoenix time-traveling?  (Oh, you mean the *new* Phoenix, and the old
"Days of Future Past" story...)  No, the Sentinels were created some time
before that.  They've also attacked (in the present day) Spider-Man, 
Falcon, and the New Mutants, to name a few.

>I'm getting sick of Marvel butchering their own stuff.
>If i'm a fan of a popular comic for example... know what's going on
>who the characters are, i don't want a introduction/alternate plotline.

Quite a few comic book plot elements from popular comics wouldn't
be feasible in American animated television.  Even Batman has to make
a few concessions.

>most of marvel is not "kids stuff", lots of violence, long plot lines
>and references etc. 

It's not kids' stuff (i.e. 7-8 years old), but these days it's not really
for adults, either.  Marvel in general seems to have degenerated into
continuity and twisted plotlines run amok, and a hell of a lot of inhuman
violence.

>I think to do it right X-men should be animated alot better, broadcast at
>a different time, and follow the current happenings of the Marvel universe.

But in so doing, it would only appeal to comics fans, because only they
would know just what the heck is going on.

Just picking nits.
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From: donnell@manowar.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Song of the South
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:33:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.213955.24387@news.unomaha.edu> torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair) writes:
>ss1@kepler.unh.edu  writes:
>> With all this talk of Song of the South, I'm getting saddened, since Disney
>> has stated they won't release it again.  How about us all writing letters to
>> Disney requesting that the thing would be released again *some*how.  Theaters,
>> video tape, LD, whatever.  Do any of you think this would have any affect, or
>> isn't this worthwhile?
>
>	Dsney has released this on laserdisc.  However, it was released in 
>Japan.  It is U.S. compatible, with the two video tracks containging Japanese
>and English dialogue.  There is at least one distributor in the U.S., and I 
>will try to excavate the information from my archives/bedroom.
>
>Torsten at Omaha

Although they will not release it again to theaters, they have shown it on
The Disney Channel. 
Weird?
					--Judex--

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From: mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Re: Battle of the Planets
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:08:22 GMT

In article <uslave.721336352@mcl> uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!) writes:
>In <BxFGHz.Bnp@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney) writes:
>
>>In article <uslave.721080600@mcl> uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!) writes:
>>>In <Bx9AxH.C8I@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ftw33616@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (.) writes:
>
>>>>Ke-yop had some sort of bolo.
>>>
>>>Cheop.  Yep, it was a bolo.  Or was it a yo-yo?
>
>>It IS Key-op.  Even if my memories wrong, I looked it up. :)
>
>a-HEM.  I didn't say it was pronounced "Che-op", I said it was SPELLED "Cheop",
>like the Egyptian Pharoah.  His name was pronounced with a "K" sound too....
>
>.....although there was an "s" at the end.....:)
>
>I don't know where you looked it up, but whoever wrote your reference didn't
>stop to think about that name and its origin IMHO.

a-Hem :) I didn't say it was or wasn't pronounced Che-op.  I was saying it
was spelled Key-op.  I got this little fact from an animation encyclopedia.
Now, the damn thing's been inaccurate before, so I will admit Cheop is
possible.  What are you using as a reference?  Even if he shared the same
sounding name with the Egyptian Pharoah, that doen't necessarily mean they
were spelled the same.  And if this pharoah is the name's origin why drop the
s?  Anybody have a definitive source?

Michael
 a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler

 - You can't fool me, cause I'm a moron!