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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:34:30 GMT
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Jerry Shekhel (jerry@msi.com) wrote:
: David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au) wrote:
: :

: Not true.  Windows makes it trivial to delete directories, using the graphical
: interface.  The truly naive user won't need COMMAND.COM at all.

And if those directories have files in them?  The amiga can recursively delete
directories OUT OF THE BOX, which is more than I can say for MS-DOS/Windows

: Does the Amiga come with a word processor?  Terminal program?  Card filer?
: All these things come with Windows (which is bundled with most PC's these
: days).

It can come with a word processor, depending on which pack you buy... For some
of us, computers that come with gobs of software are useless when we're 
upgrading, because we already have the stuff we want.  Me, I'm going to buy
a 1200 w/o HD, and just throw my 125M drive in it, so I don't need any 
additional software...

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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta available via anonymous FTP 
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:41:05 GMT

Stephenson Daniel A (das9674@ucs.usl.edu) wrote:

> Hey, that' really good!  He DID report it , right?

He probably won't report it but instead will switch back to 2.0.

> That's what beta software is for.

The probalem is that most people would expect even beta version to at
least boot. If the beta is too buggy to be usefull, it should not be
released for public use.

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:49:19 GMT
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In article <1993Jan25.062657.3077@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Matt Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: You don't know not to drink it if the particles are too small to see...

Let me get that glass of water, honey.  What?  A volcano went off last
night?  (gag, as he chokes on his poisoned water) I don't know _HOW_ I could
have slept through it... (gasp)

See the point?  When a volcano goes off, you KNOW it.  When a nearby company
is poisoning ground-water, you don't.  That is, until you grow that third
nipple and your hair falls out at 20.

: not-naturally-occuring?  Or Not-Naturally-Occuring-In-These-Quantities?

A bit of both.

: However, it is the capitalistic system (though it is non-PC as hell to say
: this) which has made this country great.  Capitalism is the system which 
: the rest of the world is trying to switch to.  Without capitalism, you would
: not have the Amigas, IBM's, Macs, etc... that you have today.

One cannot justify a system's faults with its good points.  This sounds like
the "Windows is a good OS because it has awesome applications" story.  See
where I'm having problems with this logic?

Anyways, let's not make this political, back to our wonderful .advocacy...

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From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 27 Jan 1993 12:50:32 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1993Jan27.023430.11977@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:

>: Not true.  Windows makes it trivial to delete directories, using the graphical
>: interface.  The truly naive user won't need COMMAND.COM at all.
>
>And if those directories have files in them?  The amiga can recursively delete
>directories OUT OF THE BOX, which is more than I can say for MS-DOS/Windows

From Windows 3.1 File Manager:

Highlight Directory to delete
Press 'Delete' key (or select Delete from File Menu)
Click on "OK" in confirmation dialog box
Click "Yes to All" in second dialog box.
(The confirmation dialog boxes can be disabled if you like to live
dangerously.)

The directory and all subdirectories and files will be deleted.  I
just used it on a 3-level directory tree with about 10MB of files
about five minutes ago.

-- 
Paul Secinaro
pss1@kepler.unh.edu
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Move
Distribution: world
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:26:29 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <C18nBG.Dtu@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.233222.10922@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>BTW, if 15 million people use the slash and 100 million people use the
>>backslash, isn't the slash the one that's retarted?  [Ducking]  :-)
>
>How many unix (and varients) users are there?  ONLY 11 million?  ( - 4 mil
>for Amiga users.)  :)

In a recent article in Business Week where they were talking about Novell
buying USL, they stated that 20% of Intel based boxes are running UNIX.

And there are lots of other platforms running UNIX.

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		   merk!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Options on computers
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:18:43 GMT
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
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I have wondered for a long time why you can't order a computer the same
way that you order a new car. Why shouldn't I be able to order a computer
with an option list, that way people could choose the options that they
want the most, ie High-Density Floppy, math co-pro, MMU, RAM, SCSI (or SCSI II
controller), tower or box construction, CPU type, racing stripe, etc...

It would seem that with the very modular construction of the new Amiga's (and
PC's) this sort of thing should be very easy to do at the factory. So what's
the problem? I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this, why isn't
it done?

Phil Martin.

"Give me an A4000 with a 950 GHz '060, 1.7 GB of RAM, and make it RED!"
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Commodores AGA uppgrade board.
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:32:52 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <2187@vall.dsv.su.se> matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:
 >David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
 >
 >: Now there are more game sales on the MACINTOSH than on the Amiga!
 >
 >: IBM 82%, Mac 8%, Amiga 6%
 >
 >How is it worldwide? Mac is hardly never mentioned in games magazines
 >here in Europe.

What is a Mac?

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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: The WordsWorths scoop?
Organization: City University, London
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 15:53:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.172649.29515@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Heya.
>
>Have any of you Amigans out there used that WordWorth word processor
>yet, and if so, would have also used Ami Pro or Word for Windows also,
>and perhaps could make a TOTALLY OBJECTIVE comparison ( a cinch to
>do in c.s.a.a., right?)

I don't know if I am qualified to comment, I have used
Word on the Mac and various WordPerfects. From what I
remember of my Word/Mac days I used to dread using it
because it was so complex. Ratio of fiddling to actual
writing was about half and half. In contrast I find
WW2 a real pleasure to use, because its so intuitive.
As for features I have not tried to write a book in
either so I cannot comment. But looking at a features
list can tell you _what_ it can do. I can only comment
on _how_ it does it.

IMHO the two extremes of writing are desktop publishing
and text editting. Word processing can do both well, or
neither well. WW2 seems to have the right balance for a
general purpose word processor. If I need to go to
extremes I will use those tools.

BTW I would not recommend using WW2 on anything less than
an A1200.

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From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Move
Distribution: world
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:38:37 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <1993Jan21.085443.1@woods.ulowell.edu> edmondse@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.221523.7781@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>> Does the Amiga CLI have 'move', as in moving files, directories wholly? 
>I recently purchased TxEd Plus V 2.2 from my local dealer (Memory Location in
>Wellesley MA, good place BTW) and it comes with the entire ARP project. 
>
>To make a long story short, the ARP command RENAME allows one to move files
>from one directory to another. This is without resorting to use of the COPY
>then DELETE commands.
>
>I don't have my 2.04 manual with me and therefore am not sure if 2.04's RENAME
>command allows the same degree of flexibilty. I am not using my beloved Amigas
>at this time, so I cannot check this now.

If you're running 2.04, you might want to just stop using the ARP commands,
because most of them are subsets of the 2.04 standard software.  2.04's rename
command will rename files or directories, and it will accept wildcards as
long as the last parameter is a directory.  A rename cannot be used to move from
one device to another.  It doesn't support the "ren *.xxx *.yyy" wildcards
that MSDOS does, however.  One thing that I found odd about MSDOS is that the
rename DOS function appears to be less stringent than the rename DOS command.
I've had problems getting DOS to accept a rename command to move a file from
one directory to another, but I think the DOS function will accept a full path
name (maybe even require it).
--
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Youth is wasted on the young.

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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Move
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:17:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.203420.28063@ugle.unit.no>, eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:

|>  > I used to miss '..' and '.' on my Amiga system.  However, I got over '..'.
|>  > Use of '/' to accomplish the same thing is actually easier to type.  To
|>  > back out of my current directory and enter a new one, I just type
|>  > '/newdir' at the shell prompt.  I like that -- better than '..' now.
|> 
|> BUT why is there no '.'?  I find myself cding to the destination directory, then
|> including the full path in the copy command anyway, since there's no '.'.  (Well,
|> I used to, now I use SKsh :)

Wow. That was dumb. The double-double-quotes ("") will signify the current
directory, same as '.' in MS_DOS.

copy RAM:Env/Sys/* ""

|>  > -bevis
|> 
|> -Eyvind
|> 
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:28:24 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1jva4gINNman@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>The existence of global warming is currently unknown.  

"Unknown"???  It exists, it's there, it's an undebatable effect. Today. 
Here. Everywhere. Nobody can ignore it anymore. If he does, he is a
criminal.

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From: bandy@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Mike Bandy)
Subject: Re: Slashes, dots, and quotes (was Re: Move)
Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:48:24 GMT

zarthac@bradley.edu (Matt Simmons) writes:

>Heikki T. Suopanki (suopanki@stekt5.oulu.fi) wrote:

>: Eh? Unix do not have separate "drives", everything is mounted under one root.

>Right, and thus, you don't have to change from drive to drive...

BZZZZT!  Unix partitions on a particular volume are mounted like that -- not
partitions from multiple volumes.  To cross the volume boundary you still 
need to specify its name, then you can work down it from the "/" directory.

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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:55:46 GMT

Jason 'KodaK' Balicki (kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu) wrote:
> In article <1993Jan22.162023.19198@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

> >OS/2, the OS we WERE talking about, doens't have any 640K barrier.  And
> >what does it say for Amigas that MSDOS can run some better applications than
> >an Amiga with NO 640K barrier.  Right, that there is the ol' Amiaa 
>
> You're losing it Dan, that last paragraph makes no sense.

I think he meant that having a 640k barrier is way better than having
no barrier...:-)
(sorry Dan, couldn't resist)
(note: yes, there is barrier on Amiga too, but saying "having 640k
barrier is way better than having 2 gig barrier bla bla bla" does not
sound too good)

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Date: 28 Jan 1993 20:55:14 GMT
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In article <torrie.728201514@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, Evan Torrie (torrie@cs.stanford.edu) wrote:
:   A capitol is a building.  It's capitalist.

This _IS_ the US.  I won't ask you to sue me for a misspelling.  :)

:   No, the society won't push back.  A society isn't a living thing.  A
: society is a collection of individuals, and it will be the individuals who
: will resist those who want to put this amorphous "society" above the
: individual.

Even though, within the society, individual movements can be seen,
society's movements is the average of those individual movements.  When
enough people believe something, it becomes the belief of the general
populace, of the society.

:  The sickest thing I heard during the election campaign was George
: Bush saying (paraphrasing) "It's time to make loggers as important as
: the spotted owl".

Good, we'll kill all of them off, too.  Then they can BOTH enjoy
extinction.  Perhaps we can talk Bush into becoming a logger...

:)

Greg

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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:58:39 GMT
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David Tiberio (dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
: In article <1jn4ikINN7rh@phakt.usc.edu> dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:

: 	Recent batteries recharge in minutes to 50%. Hybrid engines contain
: small gas engines, such as a one cylinder engine which could recharge the
: batteries or work in conjunction with it. Induction is a method where
: the recharging system is implanted within the road surface such that cars
: are charged while they are driving, without the driver knowing it, and 
: without contact between the road and the car.

Goddamn, I can see the congressmen creaming their pants at the thought
of all that pork....  And you thought spending was bad now!?

: 	My car doesn't have 300 horsepower, and it doesn't do 0-60 in
: 4 seconds, but that last thing we need is reckless drivers anyway. :)
: Electric cars also achieve 80mph/ 130kmph with no problem. And they
: are very very quiet.

: 	One poster suggested that this will only redirect pollution to
: the electric companies that run on fossil fuels. Well, it is easier to
: fix one electric plant than the 6 million cars sold every year in the US.

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From: joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:43:36 GMT
Reply-To: joe@cbmvax.commodore.com (Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1993Jan26.225549.5491@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance (joe@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
>:
>: Let's see. Robert talks about "average" which implies he's trying to bring the
>: discussion to address the bulk of user systems. Jerry responds with an S3
>: graphics adapter. Duh.
>:
>Look, Joe, I just provided a bit of information.  I wasn't flaming anyone;
>there's no reason to flame me.

I wan't flaming you, Jerry - just your twisting of the thread to suit your
argument. You have every right to do so in an advocacy group, of course, and
I was delighted to point it out. :)

>: Even with the S3 cards, the high performance is usually limited to Windows
>: apps, not DOS, OS/2 or Unix, because the cards are designed to trap out
>: specific Windows API calls.
>:
>Mostly false.  Although this is true for DOS, any RTG system (Windows, OS/2,
>Unix/X11) can benefit greatly from an S3 accelerator (with the proper driver,
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of course).  It's set of hardware operations is generic enough.  Most of the
>performance measurements I've seen for the S3 were in "xstones", a Unix/X11
>benchmark.  For example, an unaccelerated Sparcstation is about 25K, an HP
>Snake is about 75K, and a 486 w/S3-801 is about 66K.

Most of the performance measurements you've seen revolved around Windows. I
read PC publications, too. Performance improvements are gained by the offloading
of appropriate API calls for graphics-oriented functions. Without a driver, you
have an expensive SVGA card. BTW, I own an S3 card. Guess how many drivers are
available for it? Besides windows, there are specialty drivers for AutoCad,
WordPerfect 4.x, and a couple of other DOS apps. No OS/2 or Unix drivers.

>: What about it? DIG has many benefits, but the additional overhead may be
>: viewed as a negative to some, depending on their needs and applications.
>:
>There's overhead, of course, but it's counterbalanced by the ability to
>run on more types of hardware, including really fast graphics coprocessors.

As others have pointed out here, DIG is not necessary for this - RTG targets
this kind of requirement.



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