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Subject: Re: Lyme vacine statis needed
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:03:07 EDT
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Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <C1H0B6.H8q@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> time@coos.dartmouth.edu writes:

> I know this comes up fairly often, but I don't recall what was said
> about the statis of a vacine is. My husband and I are going to be building
> a house on Nantucket Is.this spring and I would like the protection for us,
> the kids, and our dog if it is available and effective.

Funny thing -- I JUST had a conversation with my Vet about this today.  :-)

Fort Dodge is the maker of the Veterinary Lyme vaccine for dogs.  The FDA has
now approved it as safe & effective for dogs, as of July '92.  My vet was in on
some of the earliest clinical trials of the vaccine (as many as 5 years ago)
because we are about 15-20 miles from *Lyme, CT* (after which the disease was
named) and Lyme disease is endemic here (as it is on Nantucket Is. as well).
There was originally some concern about the long-term effects of the Lyme
vaccine in dogs;  the main concern was over whether it might provoke the very
symptoms (of "chronic Lyme Disease") which it is trying to prevent.  My vet has
been following this research closely, & is now convinced that it does not.  So
he is recommending routine Lyme vaccine now for all dogs in this area.  On the
other hand, he is quick to point out that Lyme Disease in dogs is easily
detected & easily treated (14 days of amoxicilin), so its not really any big
deal if your dog does catch it; you just have to be sure to treat it.

Unfortunately, this vaccine is not available for humans.  However, new research
from the Yale/New-Haven Lyme Disease clinic indicates that even if you are
bitten by a tick that IS infected with Lyme Disease, your chance of catching
the disease is only 1%.  This is low enough that they don't even give
prophylactic antibiotics for tick bites any more, even in this endemic area. 
They wait until you actually have Symptoms before they treat, now.  BTW, one
study locally showed that in some communities around here (I think Nantucket
Island was one of the studied areas) as many as 50% of adults show evidence of
exposure to Lyme Disease.  But not nearly that many become ill from it.  So the
new wisdom (here in Lyme territory) w.r.t. humans is: (1) Just being bitten by
a deer tick; or (2) even being bitten by a deer tick AND showing a positive
reaction on a Lyme antibody (blood) test ... is not enough to establish a
medical diagnosis of Lyme disease.  You must have actual Symptoms of Lyme
disease in order to be diagnosed as having it.  And THAT is still (fortunately)
pretty rare, even amongst those of us who live in the thick of it.


------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor)
Subject: Re: Help! Ideas for finding lost puppy
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Whippany, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:18:17 GMT

In article <H.eg.50DdRoAqKJE@harvee.billerica.ma.us> scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us writes:

>i didn't mean to imply any criticism, only to point out that rabies tags 
>have their faults, and something else should be used as well.  i take
> rabies-tag calls where i work.  i have been flamed because our emergency 
>answering service couldn't trace the tag, since the records are in the
>office itself and not at the answering service.  i've had to tell people that
>we know the owners moved, since our reminder cards were returned, but we
>don't know where they are since they didn;t tell us or leave a forwarding
>address, but the dog is still wearing a now totally useless tag as its only id.
>i just wanted to let everyone know of these potential problems, and warn that
>a rabies tag, while helpful, should be accompanied by a name-and-adress tag.
>i would imagine similar things could happen with a license tag as well.

I don't know about anyone else, but if one of my pups went missing, I
would be on the phone *immediately* to the local dog warden, police,
vet, Tattoo-A-Pet, and the rescue society the dog came from.  My dogs
wear their license, rabies tag, name tag, Tattoo-A-Pet tag and rescue
society tag.  (You should hear them jingle!)  And I would want to be
darn sure that all of the people who might possibly be called by
someone finding my dog would have, not only my current home number,
(which they should already have, but there's always a chance they've
got it wrong or lost my file) but also my work number and 2 or 3
friends' numbers in case I couldn't be reached.  If somebody finds
my dog, I want to make it as easy as possible for them to return the
little darling.  This way, whichever number they call, there will be
somebody who knows how to reach me.

Roberta
...and the DoberPuppies, who jingle jangle jingle...
From: greg@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Greg Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Schutzhund
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:04:06 GMT
Reply-To: greg@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Greg Allen)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

Can some of you Schutzhund experts explain the difference/similarities
between DVG Schutzhund and USA Schutzhund?

Thanks,
Greg.
From: james.cromarty@nitelog.com (James Cromarty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Coyotes and dogs
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096
Reply-To: james.cromarty@nitelog.com (James Cromarty) 

.LM> More dangerous are "coy-dogs," a domestic dog and coyote hybrid.       .
.LM> These dogs are much less fearful of man, yet are still very wild.      .
.LM> Its more than likely that most people that see a "coy-dog"             .
.LM> assume its a coyote.   That could explain why, until recently,         .
.LM> most attacks I've read about blame coyotes, not coy-dogs.              .
.............................................................................

Out here on the central coast of California (Fort Hunter Liggett)
the coyotes are very scared of humans. So far we have seen about 4
of them. In the housing area there was talk that a cat was killed
by a coyote but I don't know how true it was.
---
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From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs at Work?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:34:31 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop) writes:

>Where do you work (private corp., college, etc.)?

Purdue University.

>What do you do for a living?

Misc. computer stuff.

>Do you have your own office, share one, have a cubicle, etc.?

Own offices.  On fifth floor of no-elevator building.  Not much
traffic there.

>Where do you keep your dog at work?

Wherever - usually under the desk or against the couch.

>Is the dog crated or can roam?

Roams within the office.

>Do you work normal business hours (i.e., 9:00-5:00, M-F)? If not, when do
>you work?

All hours - usually late.

>Did you have to get special permission to have your dog at work?  If so,
>what kind of permission?  What justification did you have to give to have
>your dog at work?

Before Greta, I brought my boss' Golden Retriever (Carley) in when I was
dog/house sitting for them.  No problems came up then, so...  

>Is your dog involved in any special programs that justifys having him/her
>at work?

If I were single, I could answer "yes", but no, she is not.  (Although
she does have an amazing soothing ability with my wife - helps a lot
'cause when we work together it's needed.)

>Thanks,

You're welcome.

>Karen

Good luck!

--kyler
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathrynw%radian@natinst.com (Kathryn Whitworth)
Subject: Re: Older dog training
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:33:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas

In article <1993Jan24.213722.8749@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> jrh@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu writes:
>Does anyone have any good references/suffestions on training older dogs?  Most
>of what I've found only deal with puppies and don't give any special
>attention to older dogs.  Or is training an older dog basically the same?

Carol Benjamin's *The Second-hand Dog*.  

Other than that, I've found training an older dog not much different than
training a puppy, once you take into account that an older dog may be more
dominant than most puppies.  You may also have to take into account the
dog's history (especially if he is second-hand) and adjust training
methods accordingly.  Initially with Fox I didn't dare say NO! because she'd
freak and run and hide.  With patient training she's learned not to panic.
Usually.  Obedience class helped a lot.

Good luck!

Kathryn Roth Whitworth
  

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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Flame?
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:53:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.171139.27658@inel.gov> kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson) writes:
= 
= I'm opposed to both ear and tail cropping.  Tail cropping may not
= be very painful, but I happen to like dog tails.  My Australian
= Shepherd has her tail and its beautiful!

That's fine.  It's your choice.  I ask only that you give *me* the
same choice--to do or not as I see fit.  (For the record, I'm
speaking of tail docking.  I have no interest in those breeds whose
ears are normally cropped so I'll leave that debate for those who
have.)


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Veggie eating pup
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:02:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.182014.28404@VFL.Paramax.COM> pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor) writes:
>> My kids (Shelties Mindy & Ivan) eat:
>>
>> Grapes (if you smush them)
>
>I have trained our dogs to eat grapes *without* having to puncture them (the
>grapes) first.  The problem is that an intact grape doesn't taste like much,
>and so the dog feel that it might just as well be sucking on a marble and
>spits it out.  The trick, in our case, was to push it back between the dog's
>molars and crush it with the dog's own teeth; you get a very surprised-looking
>dog, and one who eventually learns that grapes are tasty.
>

Interesting.  My dogs all like to play with the grapes before
eating them.  They will toss them in the air and catch them and roll them
around, then crush 'em and eat 'em.  Looks kinda funny...

[stuff deleted]

-- 
============================================================
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OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
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From: gtl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (george.t.liu)
Subject: puppy problems and questions
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:05:21 GMT

i need help from all the dog lovers/experts in r.p.d world, big time.

i just adopted a 10 weeks old cocker spaniel couple of weeks ago, and he
started with us beautifully.  but now, he has tunred into a little monster
that fears nothing.  we put him in the cratre from the first night, and 
that was no problem.  he cried a little bit in the morning to let us know
that he needed to go.  and he didn't chew on anything but his chew toy and 
nylonbone.  he was the most wonderful dog in the world.

but by the end of the first week, he started to show his evil side to us.
he would pee any where he wanted, and even in the crate and near his food
and water bowls.  i tried the news papers and the crate to housetrain
him.  they worked at the begining but don't anymore.

his favorite chew toys are human body parts these days.  he would chew on 
my fingers, hand and anything he can sink his little teeth in.  i have tried 
various methods and done all i could, but he wouldn't barge.  the other 
problem that he has is when taking him out for a walk, he would pick up 
everything he sees and eats them, grass, dirty snow, little rocks and stones.  
and he is getting very very good at doing this without me notice anything 
worng until it's too late.

i have read the "The Art of Raising A Puppy", the FAQ, and some other books.
and have tried almost everthing that's commonly known to everyone.  is there 
anything else i can do about my pup, or he's just too young.

my other question is realted to health.  i took the pup to the vet when he
came home with me, and the vet recommanded to give him his second shots while
we're there.  at then it was 2 weeks after he had his first shots.  was his 2nd
too close to the first ones?  and what should i do for him as far as the 
vaccination concerns.  i was told to give him the third shots when he's 12 
weeks old and stop.  or give him an extra set of shots when he's 16 weeks old.
what should i do??  the above options were given by 2 different vets.  and 
there's no info that i could find on this issue.

thanks in advance for the info and help.

George 

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From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: This is a test.
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:37:25 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

This is a test...no news at all today, and I want to see if this will go
through to the group.....will Mike please let me know if this goes
through?  Mike as in Beamer's daddy *smile* That way there will not be an
onslaught of mail or postins.  *smile*

Suzanne and MIn

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hurl@quads.uchicago.edu (karen m hurley)
Subject: Puppy hair loss: Demodex!
Keywords: demodex
     First, I'd like to apologize for my earlier "bodiless" post;
     Well on to the reason for this post: we are the (very) proud
     A skin scraping revealed the culprit: Demodex mites (the vet even
     Has anyone else ever experienced this problem?
     The vet warned us that it can be VERY frustrating to treat, and I am
     Are there any side effects of the treatment, especially for a puppy
     Any responses would be GREATLY appreciated!
     Thanks in advance!
Reply-To: hurl@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:57:29 GMT

Karen Hurley
hurl@quads.uchicago.edu



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From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Re: Tails'n'Ears WAS Flame?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:24:09 GMT

In article <19808@mindlink.bc.ca> Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop) writes:
>> Angela Lakwete writes:
>> I think it's time American breeders consider leaving tails and
>> ears intact (I'd love to see poodles shown with tails!).
>> However, do we feel the same way about dewclaws?
>
>
>What do poodle tails LOOK like, anyway?? Are they long and whippy? Or is
>there variation since it's never been bred for? How would they be trimmed?
>Hee hee!
>Short all over but with a big pom pom on the end? That WOULD be something
>neat to see!
>
Weeeelll, I'm so glad you asked what a poodle tail looks like!
A standard poodle with an untrimmed tail would resemble an
Irish Water Spaniel.  One won Westminster years ago: Large
curly locks, always deep brown (I had a brown standard), but
untrimmed.  The miniature poodle's tail has the same sort of
tail characteristic but it resembles a Portuguese Water Dog.  In
breed cut, their tail DOES have a big pom pom on the end.  They
are often shown in a corded coat.  

So, it would take some adjustment but poodle groomers wouldn't
be out of a job!
-- 
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From: hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Vegie eating pup
Date: 27 Jan 1993 01:31:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

sweaver3@mach1.wlu.ca (scott weaver 9209 U) writes:

>We used to have a dog who, amongst other things, liked to eat blueberries,
>and carrots.  At our cottage, there is a blueberry patch just down the
>lane, and when we would go picking, 'Joe' would go along with us and due
>to the underbite he had, he was able to pick the berries right off the
>bush.  We always knew when they were ripe when he'd come back to the
>cottage with purple-stained teeth sticking out!
>As for the carrots, he was able to tell the difference between my mother
>peeling potatoes and carrots, and would only come (from the other room)
>for the carrots.  

Zeppo, our excellent Bouvier, loves carrots best of all vegetables, and
blueberries best of all fruits. The carrots leave a lot of orange crumbs,
though.


Steven
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: what breeds created Ridgebacks?
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:26:12 GMT
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
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In <1jk4r3INNa1p@morrow.stanford.edu>, Sullys Maze writes:
>I am going to throw a Ridgeback question back into the bboard.
>Surely someone out there has a good dog book that has the history on
>them.  Mostly, I am interested in which breeds were used to create
>the Ridgeback.  Beyond maybe Bloodhound, I can't guess.  Please post
>to bboard, thanks.
the akc complete dog book says the ridge came from local half wild
 south african dogs belonging to the hottentots.  breeds imprted from europe
 which are known or suspected to be in the ridgeback's family tree include:
great dane, mastiff, greyhound, bloodhound, terrier(type of terrier not
 specified).  the canadian kennel club book of dogs adds poinet and collie to
the list.

a breeder told me once that brindle ridgebacks were not uncommon a several
decades ago, though they seem to be unknown now.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: stressed out puppy
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 28 Jan 93 01:00:32 GMT

In <1993Jan28.002401.22457@cs.tulane.edu> feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman) writes:



>>his crate.  Well all of a sudden Troy started rattling his cage and Jasper
>>jumped back toward me.  She seemed a little startled.  From that point on
>>everytime we had to walk past Troy in his crate Jasper would fight me and
>>try to stop by clawing the floor.  The trainer suggested I take that corner
>>
>>got up on his hind legs and started barking at Jasper and of course she
>>became terrified and leaped back behind me again.  I beginning to wonder if
>>
>>I would also like to add that Jasper is not normally a submissive dog.  In
>>fact she is very outgoing and friendly with all other dogs and people.

>I have never seen this behavior myself, but Volhard and Fischer write
>of a "second fear imprint period" late in puppyhood.  In these periods,
>the dog overreacts to something unpleasant.  This period passes naturally.

>In general, don't push the dog by physically dragging it or commanding
>it to confront the other dog.  Usually you want to cheerily and
>confidently encourage the dog to overcome its fear, but in this case Troy
>will just re-enforce it, so don't do that.  Give the dog support so
>it feels safe, but don't praise or coddle it when it overreacts.

>The worst thing for the dog is to be dragged or forced to face the
>other dog physically (i.e. go near its crate), when mentally it wants
>nothing more than to escape.

Excellent advice, all.  I just wanted to add a note about *your*
behavior as well -- you're not timid of this dog yourself, are you?
If you are, it's possible Jasper is picking that up from you.  I
wouldn't punish the dog, nor force her to go by, but I wouldn't praise
her or try to sooth her either.  Ignore the bouvier (at least look to
Jasper like you're ignoring it), and act a bit surprised: "What is it,
silly?  You can't be afraid of another dog??"

--Cindy

--
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From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Crates
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:47:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino



We also crate our 2 dogs while we work all day.  We also, however, hire a
very reliable neighborhood boy to come in on his way home from school to
let them out for a break around 3 PM.  Then we come home around 7 PM.

We crate for all the same reasons as the others-- if we don't, we get 
destructive behavior and you cannot correct for it unless you are there or
you are able to "set them up" for every potential situation to be corrected
in your absence.  Not practical for us.

One other thing.  We are absolutely commited to exercising our dogs every
single day when we get home.  If we have to do it 10:00 PM, we do.  We put
them in the car, rain or shine, drive 4 blocks to the local junior college
and baseball field, and play aerobic fetch for 15-20 minutes.  If it's too
deserted and dark, I use the lighted parking lot where I am in full view of
the security guards (who tolerate our presence because they've seen me
picking up after my dogs).

I am an advocate of crating.  It also makes it easier to travel with your
dogs- our crate folds flat and we take it and use it in hotels, ski cabins,
etc.  So we vacation with our companions, but it's familiar to them and they
don't cause any damage, even in unfamiliar environments.

-- Diane Bassett
From: jsh91@ecs.soton.ac.uk (JS Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: French Bulldogs wierd habits
Keywords: French Bulldog
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:23:15 GMT

I ahve a small French Bulldog, I am led to understand that they are
popular (right frase?) in the States..
She has a fixation with reflrcted light.  Whenever she sees a torch 
beam or sunlight reflected off a watch face, or simmilar, she chases
it like I've never seen before, she goes mad.  But when there are 
no lights/reflections to chase, she is really lazy, does not even
get excited about going out, or food.  

Has anyone else had any experience of this or similar incidents, or
can enlighten me to the psychological problems of my dog???
Please mail me. 

A sad dog owner.
James
From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Please! Help Save This Adorable Dog from Death!!
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:34:57 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp

In article <1993Jan21.170110.22276@leland.Stanford.EDU>, shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD) writes:

|> So why did this couple bring this dog to the vet?
|> 
|> They don't want her any more.  So they brought her in to be put to
|> sleep!  Period!  They even had her groomed before they brought her in so
|> she'd look nice for her final exit.  [Even just typing this makes me
|> want to retch.]
|> 

I wish I could take her..

Gee how convienient. Some people make me sick, when they don't value another
life. Reminds me of a quote on my office wall:

If I have any beliefs about immortality it is that certain dogs I have known
will go to heaven, and very, very few persons.

                                              James Thurber 
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Dave Karikas
Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
davek@scooter.intel.com
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