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From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Subject: Re: Unnecessary polluation
Keywords: Tho Most Polluating Event of Finland
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:14:23 GMT

ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:

>The Most Polluating Event of Finland started  yesterday in my home town,
>The Rally of Thousands Lakes. Adult men and some ladies are driving
>cars around polluating forests and making terrble noise for four days.
>This is most the polluating unnecessary event of Finland.
>What about your country? Which is in your country?

Though I hate 'motorsports' and think of it as 'government-sponsored
environmental terrorism', it's not fair to say that the pollution coming
from the rally cars is somehow more evil than pollution coming from
Jarmo Ryyti's car.

I remember hearing that one transatlantic flight consumes more fuel than
all the F1 cars during the entire season.

>Jarmo Ryyti

Janne Kivela"
From: sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F Bradley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norway claiming NY (too late)
Keywords: Santa
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:51:43 GMT
Organization: Dept of English -- IOWA STATE UNIV

In <1992Sep1.070324.17843@ugle.unit.no> jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:

>[my post about giving Texas to Norway deleted]


>You could at least send me one of the HUGE T-bone steaks from Texas
>that I've heard so much of. (-:


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If it's beef you want - you want my own home state of Iowa. Tastiest, tenderest
beef around. (Except maybe Kobe steaks - but Iowa beef has the advantage of not
costing $50/pound)  This exchange would be more than acceptable to me. Let's
see if we can get it done before Lillehammer's Olympics so that I can go see 
the luge competition!

Susan Bradley
sooz@iastate.edu
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: There is no "Santa Claus"
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:00:50 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Aug31.090812.5981@ugle.unit.no> jafitv@termo.unit.no (Julenissen) writes:
>Of course there is no Santa Claus - but how do you translate a word
>like "tomten", or in norwegian "nissen" to english ?

  The correct translation of 'Jultomten' to English is of course 
"the Xmas kobold":)

-bertil-
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From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Tyr,Odin,Thor,Frey?
Keywords: weekdays
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:44:31 GMT

In article <13920@chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.182723.29128@burrhus.harvard.edu> canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson) writes:
>>	Celtic!?  *Celtic*?  "Freyja & Co" were fertility deities.  The
>>Celts and lots of other cultures have fertility deities.  I would hardly
>>call the Vanir "celtic".
>
>  Well, my theory was put together from two pieces of information: The first
>is that there *has* been jokers with horned helmets running around up here,
>but during the bronze age, not during the viking age.
>  The second is the preponderance of jokers with horns on their heads running
>around in celtic mythology and art.
>  This led me to theorize that the religion around here during the bronze 
>age had been somewhat close to celtic, and since it wasn't celtic during
>the viking age, somebody had to have invented a new religion (Asatro) to
>replace the old one except for some still lingering traces like the Vanir and
>the statuette of Tor(?) wearing a horned helmet that was found in Birka(?).

 This is so ignorant and innane that I don't know where to begin. I hope
you are joking!

Wassail,
Al Billings

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From: tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norway claiming NY (too late)
Date: 31 Aug 1992 10:59:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: whistle.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Santa

<We are NOT willing to take Washington D.C. also - but maybe you would
<be willing to take Oslo ?

Sure, I'll trade you (1) Oslo for (1) Washington D.C. :-)

I might even throw in Los Angeles if that isn't enough :-)

We could probably arrange to attach Oslo to San Francisco, but
it might not be cold enough for you (Maybe Alaska would be better,
with some nice fjords so you wouldn't feel too homesick :-)

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From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Colonialism (Was: Immigrants and employment)
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 08:48:19 GMT

In article <STEINARB.92Aug25183731@korgpil.idt.unit.no>, steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang) writes:
|> 
|> >>>>> jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:
|> 
|> > The northern part of Norway is a norwegian colony,
|> 
|> No it isn't.
|> 
|> > not an integral part of Norway.
|> 
|> Yes it is.
|> 
|> - Steinar
|> 
--


If you read all the postings about Finland being a former swedish
colony, the northern part of Norway is definitely a norwegian colony,
according to some of the definitions ! ;-)


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From: karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen)
Subject: Christening & colonization of the north-east Europe.
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:59:38 GMT

This thread was something about the colonization/christening of Finland by
Swedes.

In article <13819@chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.000817.5092@corax.udac.uu.se> andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson) writes:
>>And in those days, weren't there already Swedish
>>settlers along the eastern shores of the Baltic Sea, settlers
>>who may have needed christening just as well?
>>Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University
>
>  'needed christening'?! Frankly, the only good point I can see about the
>christening of Scandinavia etc is that it prevented any German or Lithuanian
>duke from instigating a crusade against the 'hethen northeners'.
>
>-bertil-

Ahem, Lithuanians were themselves pagans upto fourteenth century.
(They are often mentioned to be the last nation in Europe to be christened,
defending succesfully against the Teutonic Knights.) My encyclopedia
says that in year 1386 grand duke Jagello married Polish princess
Hedvig, and made his country christian.

(Now this is crossposted also to soc.history to generate some flames
from more knowing netters. ;-)

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From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Colonization (was: Immigrants and employment)
Date: 29 Aug 92 17:43:48 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Aug25.000817.5092@corax.udac.uu.se> andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson) writes:
>And in those days, weren't there already Swedish
>settlers along the eastern shores of the Baltic Sea, settlers
>who may have needed christening just as well?

  'needed christening'?! Frankly, the only good point I can see about the
christening of Scandinavia etc is that it prevented any German or Lithuanian
duke from instigating a crusade against the 'hethen northeners'.

>Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University

-bertil-
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From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Norway claiming NY (too late)
Keywords: Santa
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 06:50:46 GMT

In article <17t4unINN5j5@agate.berkeley.edu>, tedrick@whistle.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
|> 
|> <Just put Oslo wherever you want, they won't stop complainting
|> <anywhere...
|> 
|> <Find a rainy place for Bergen.
|> 
|> It's been 30 years since I was in Bergen or Oslo, but I remember them
|> as very pleasant cities. Have things really changed so much? 


Oslo (and the rest of the south-east of Norway) usually is more sunny,
and definitely warmer than the rest of Norway during summer. As a
result of this (and the fact that TV is located in Oslo), in TV no news
are more important than the weather in Oslo if it rains (there) for
more than one day. No matter how the weather is and has been in the
rest of Norway....

I don't think there was less rain in Bergen 30 years ago, but
maybe not when you were there ?


|> 
|> Anyway, New York is the closest thing I've seen to Hell on earth,
|> so I can't imagine I will get the worst of the deal :-)
|> 
|> Now, Trondheim I remember as extremely beautiful. Is there still
|> a tram that takes you to a restaurant at the top of a mountain
|> where you get a spectacular view of the city and the fjord?
|> 
|> (hope my memory isn't playing tricks on me and I'm imagining all this :-)
|> 
--


Your memory serves you good :-)

The tram was, in fact, stopped by the owners (the community (?)), some
years ago. But after huge protests they let a company take over the
line which ends by the "restaurant at the top of a mountain where you
get a spectacular view of the city and the fjord". (The community still
has to pay for the living of the tram.)

And, in fact, more and more talk is heard, saying : "Why not increase
the use of trams ? Why not extend the line(s) so that people can take
the tram, instead of polluting cars and buses ?"


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From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Steak (Was : Norway claiming NY (too late))
Keywords: Steak, Santa
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 07:21:26 GMT

In article <sooz.715472780@vincent1.iastate.edu>, sooz@iastate.edu (Susan F Bradley) writes:

|> In <1992Sep2.064949.3638@ugle.unit.no> jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne
|> Fagertun) writes:
|> 
|> >Oh - is your beef even better than T-bone steak from Texas ?
|> 
|> >Maybe I have to change my attitude against USA :-)
|> 
|> 
|> Yes, definitely. If I had any idea how to mail you a T-bone from Iowa, I'd let
|> you decide for yourself. If you're ever in the neighbourhood - stop by. I'll
|> get the hibachi fired up.
|> 
|> Susan Bradley
|> sooz@iastate.edu
|> 
|> 
|> 
--


I'm looking forward to it - indeed I do ! Please mail me one, and one
from Texas. You might compress it, and uuencode it, before you mail it?

If I ever come to Iowa, I'll surely try to find your hibachi.


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From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Subject: Re: Registering a boat in Sweden ?
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim, Norway
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:00:36

>>>>> sgrenander@NASAMAIL.JPL.NASA.GOV (Sven Grenander) writes:

> ...
> My better half and I are getting ready to buy a blue-water sailboat
> (to cruise and live aboard). We have considered the possibility of
> Swedish registry so that we can fly my Swedish flag rather than her
> US flag.

> Could someone give me a ball-park estimate what kind of tax burden
> we may set ourselves up for if we carry this through. What
> government offices should we contact for more detailed information ?
> Any other regulatory issues which we should consider ?

Hmm. Here's a suggestion: have you considered NIS, not the yp NIS, but
the Norwegian International Ship's Register? ;-)

Should give you as small a tax burden as any other flag of convenience
registries would give you.

> P.S.  If you were wondering "why on Earth would you want to do
> that?" there are three basic reasons. 1st, I'm a Swede...

No problem! As everybody in the world knows Swedes and Norskies are
the same...

> ... and a flag on a boat is too important to just fly the most
> convenient one.

Why?? You're not one of 'em *patriots*, are you? :-(

> 2nd, while a cross may send people into a Jihad in some areas of the
> world,...

You'll get this result with a Norwegian flag as well.

> the Stars and Stripes is likely to provoke that same reaction
> in the much of the rest of the world.

The better known Norwegian flag will give you better goodwill in
foreign ports. Besides, it's prettier...:-)

-Steinar
From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Greenland claiming residence of Santa Claus
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:46:00
Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu
In-reply-to: dfo@tko.vtt.fi's message of 24 Aug 92 12:10:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.121018.15157@ousrvr.oulu.fi> dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:


     Greenland, Denmark's Arctic province, which is suffering from economic
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 ???? Imperialist Pigs! ;-)

Seriously, when did Greenland become a "province" rather
than a colony/dependency - and how does this affect the argument it used
to leave the EC? Does this mean Greenland will now be forcibly
repatriated to the EC as a Danish province?

*  Steinn Sigurdsson   			Lick Observatory      	*
* steinly@helios.ucsc.edu		"standard disclaimer"  	*
*  I know people whose idea of fun				*
*  Is throwing stones in the river in the afternoon sun		*
*  Oh let me be as free as them					*
*  				- BB 1986			*


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From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Santa Poll - informal (Re: Greenland claiming residence of Santa Claus)
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:33:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.063017.14859@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>Santa Claus

*JARMO RYYTI* Santa Claus??? :-)

Tomas
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From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: NameDay (Was: translation wanted)
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:59:37 GMT
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug25.195344.9471@nmsu.edu>, rpeter@nmsu.edu (R. Peter Herman) writes:
|> 
|> The suggestion of celebrating both birthdays and name days can be
|> taken even further.  Most Swedes have a first and middle name.  Many
|> have 2 middle names.  This was the case with both exchange daughters
|> (Mai ]sa Linnea and Sara June Maria).  WE did birthdays and all
|> possible name days!  Any excuse for baked goodies.  We even did a
|> Princess Tort, not an easy trick without proper mandel massa for the
|> covering and rose!
|> --
|> *     rpeter@nmsu.edu                          R. Peter Herman
--


Sounds like a very nice habit. Why not try to bring this up as a
suggestion in UN ?


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From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Norway claiming NY (Was: Greenland claiming residence of Santa Claus)
Keywords: Santa
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 07:16:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.055422.18106@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:

(A long fairy tale about Santa, the North Pole, and Canada deleted.
Where on earth do they find these fairy tales ?)

|> 
|> I also have an envelope with a US Christmas stamp on it which is
|> postmarked "North Pole, Alaska," .......


I once wrote "New York, Norway", on a small piece of paper. This is the
ultimate evidence that New York belongs to Norway, and is currently
only occupied by the imperialistic USA !

Figth'em !


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From: Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (Bjorn B. Larsen)
Subject: Re: Tyr,Odin,Thor,Frey?
Reply-To: bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no
Organization: delab
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:51:31

In article <BtKBpA.H5q@oceania.com> seeger@oceania.com (Seeger Fisher) writes:

> [ ... ]

> What's more curious, why are there seven days in a week? And why
> aren't there thirteen months in a year??

That is an easy one. The answer is in the Bible, read the first book
of the Old Testament. I never remember what it is called in English,
but try "Genesis."

Bj{\o}rn
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From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Subject: Re: Unnecessary polluation
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:43:20 GMT

exjtmm@tts.lth.se (Thommy M. Malmstr|m) writes:

>>>>>> "MJ" == Mike Jittlov <jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu> writes:

>MJ> all of us a maximum daily dosage.  Here in Los Angeles, pollution is
>MJ> our is our most important product!  8P  (smiley throwing up)

>Can you buy canned air in LA? ;-)

Actually, yes.  In Hollywood (and at the airports), I believe they
still sell "Canned Smog" in the tourist shops.  Rather expensive,
as I remember - since we Angelenos get ours for free.

And on those rare occasions when we have to leave the city, we just
bring along a few cans of aerosol oven-cleaner.  It's a fine substitute
for L.A. air, that not only leaves your mouth tasting minty-fresh, but
also cleans out the sinuses.

-mjj :D
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From: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Re: Tyr,Odin,Thor,Frey?
Reply-To: johnson@sleipnir.mnesouth.corp.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:06:47 GMT
Keywords: weekdays

In article <1992Aug27.095032.12670@ida.liu.se>, d89johbe@odalix.ida.liu.se (Johan Berntsson) writes:
=)karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen) writes:
=)
=)>Now, if I remember right, Germanic gods Tiw, Woden, Thor and Frigg
=)>somehow have the similar roles as Roman gods Mars, Mercurius, Jupiter
=)>and Venus, but of course I might be wrong too. (Is Frigg same as Fre(i)ja?).
=)
=)There are similarities between Woden and Jupiter, Tiw and Mars. Frigg was
=)Woden's wife and can't be compared to Venus. Freya/Fre(i)ja was the godess
=)of Love, a nordic Venus in some sence.
=)
Frigg was Aesir, and Freyja Vanir.  If I remember, I think there were some
whispered rumors that Odin and Freyja once had a thing going on the side.
I read a theory that the Aesir and Vanir were originally from different
religions, and that the war between them which starts out the Eddas is an
allegory for the actual conflict between the religious systems.  If that
is the case, it may be that Freyja and Frigg were once very similar
entities, performing similar functions in different religious systems,
and only after becoming members of the same theology did they
differentiate into the characters we're familiar with.  This could also
explain the rumored details of Odin's love life.
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