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From: jms@carat.arizona.edu (A virtually vegetal non-entity)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Anybody been to Puerto Penasco?
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:17:00 GMT
Reply-To: jms@Arizona.EDU
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona MIS Department - Mosaic Group
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In article <1992Oct6.191531.1058@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> troberts@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Timothy Roberts) writes:
> 
>   I am planning a vacation at the end of October to the Northernmost
>   point of the Gulf of California.  Has anybody been to Puerto Penasco
>   and lived to tell of it?  

You should also look in the archives under the English name, Rocky Point.

Rocky Point diving is indifferent at best.  No one goes down there to dive;
it's full of Americans having fun at low cost on the beach.  Great for
camping, swimming, etc., but diving is only academic (i.e., you can do it
if you want).

The recommendation to go on down to San Carlos/Guaymas area is a good one.
It's about 275 miles from the border crossing at Nogales.  If you can
reorganize your trip, you'll see lots better diving there (and I think
that the drive time for you would be an hour longer at best).  

Quick notes: Gary's is not so hot compared to dive trips run by Tucson
dive shops, which all share the same boats.  Better to organize through
Tucson than go down and hit up Gary's.  Also, their air smells like oil.
The border crossing into Mexico requires the following: you MUST have the
following: title in YOUR name, driver's license, and international credit
card (VISA/MC/AMEX) in same name.  They'll charge you $10 for the
permit, which is good 6 months.  You CANNOT have a "permission" letter
(although things change from week-to-week down there) if the car is not
yours.  

jms

Joel M Snyder, 1103 E Spring Street, Tucson, AZ, 85719 
Phone: 602.882.4094 (voice) .4095 (FAX) .4093 (data)
BITNET: jms@Arizona  Internet: jms@arizona.edu  SPAN: 47541::telcom::jms
Yow!  Am I in Milwaukee?
From: geary%cfa3.DECNET@CFA.HARVARD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Standards violations
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:17:15 GMT

In response to David Weingarten's posting concerning possible stan-
dards violations by an instructor, Lee Jones writes:

<It's clear that you and this instructor have a personality conflict
at <the least.  There may be issues of her conforming to NAUI stan-
dards, <but this (rec.scuba) is simply not the place to try this
case.  <There are many reasons why this is an inappropriate forum
for this <argument, not the least of which is that we are only
getting one <side of it.

I cannot support this view.  Nobody is on trial here, but concerned
divers have a right to hear about and discuss just this sort of
thing on a forum like rec.scuba.  Furthermore, I would offer up the
following two points in support of Dave Weingarten's concerns:

(1) When standards are clearly violated, this should be reported to
the certifying agency simply because it is the right thing to do.
It is bad enough to witness divers putting themselves in danger,
but when an instructor allows this, we must take action.  Scuba is
a largely self-policing sport and needs our constant vigilance to
remain so.

(2) If you are a dive professional (current divemaster or above in
most certifying agencies), then you may be legally required to take
action in the face of clear standards violations. Whether you are
the instructor, and assistant, or merely standing around, if an
accident occurs, you may well find yourself involved in a trial.
Picture yourself on the witness stand trying to explain why you saw
a standards violation and took no substantive action.

John Geary
PADI DM-52283
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:39:11 EDT
From: <TMM124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: PSU Divers

Just wanted to ask if anyone that uses this board isn't associated with Nittnay
 Divers.  If you aren't give me a note.  Later guys.


                                                    Terry
From: joseph@shogun.smos.com (Joseph Crunk)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Discounted Dive trips
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:13:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: shogun.9210081713.AA17389


I'm getting more and more calls from people wanting reservations on
this year's Discounted Dive trips to the Channel Islands of California.

I've chartered two of Truth Aquatics liveaboard boats, the Vision for
March 19-21 (Friday thru Sunday) and the Conception for June 25-27 (also
Friday thru Sunday). These boats are in the Santa Barbara area.

I'm expecting the cost of the trips to be in the neighborhood of $290
per person, including an expected increase in fuel costs. (normal cost
for this trip thru a dive store is about $375, not including the expected
increase for fuel costs in 1993)

If you're interested in joining us in the Channel Islands, please e-mail
me a postal mailing address. I'll be sending out flyers shortly.

Oh yeah! Please include your T-shirt size. (men's t-shirt sizes only)

-Joseph Crunk
 joseph@smos.com 

PS- if you've keyed into Discounted Dive as a way of getting your same
liveaboard diving experience at a much more affordable cost, you may be
interested in either of the two Mexico trips that are possible for late 1993.
From: lowe@fnx.uucp (Phill Lowe)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Women and doubles
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:09:16 GMT
Organization: I/Ovations

I used to have double 72's and know exactly what you are talking about.
Even though I (supposedly) have greater upper body strength, I found
that halling the doubles around was a big problem.  A few local shore
dives are a long walk and the doubles made my back hurt the next day.
I switched to Aluminum 80's.  Now there are the super 80 and 100cf
single tanks available.  Unless you are spending a very long time under
they should be much easier to handle.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell)
Subject: Re: Titanic salvage
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:24:24 GMT

In article <16880F18D.ISTRE-A@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> istre@ricevm1.rice.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.155003.1370@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>
>Kelly Cunningham  (Random Deviate)) writes:

[ Talk of Titanic salvage efforst and who has what rights... ]

>Fortunately for the Bismarck, due to the fact that she is a warship, she
>is property of Germany under international law and therefore is protected
>from salvagers and treasure hunters. Personally, I would like to have seen
>the Titanic protected in such a manner.

Why?  The titanic is out of reach for tourists.  It is not a rare natural
formation in need of preservation.  It is an old, rusting ship that went down
some 80 - 90 years ago.  Why not clean our garbage off the ocean floor?

craig
-- 
Craig Campbell		|	These opinions are entirely the result of a 
Systems Engineer	|	small butterfly crashing into the far side
NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
an AT&T Company		|	I speak for no one, except, possibly, myself.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: fortner@hal.eel.ufl.edu (Dave Fortner)
Subject: Re: regulator reccomendations?
Organization: University of Florida
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:47:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.212601.6327@news.miami.edu> spindler@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu writes:
>In article <591@tsw.UUCP>, ray@tsw.UUCP (Ray Izumi) writes:
>>After using a Scubapro G250 and an Oceanic reg, I finally settled on the
>>Poseidon Cyklon because:
>>
>>1) Exhaust vents to the side - doesn't get in your face.
>>2) It breathes as easy at 185' as it does at the surface.
>>3) Works well at any angle, even upside down.
>>4) Howard Hall uses one. This guy dives every day, so he's had some experience.
>>   Not only HH, but you'll find most pro divers use Poseidons.
>>5) Poseidon pays for parts for annual service, saving about $50 / year.
>                                                             ^^^^
>
>Is $50 / year typical of the annual reg overhaul costs for a Poseidon?  I
>currently dive with the ScubaPro G250/MkV and the annual parts cost is about 5
>dollars (and also paid for by ScubaPro).  I was considering Poseidon for my
>next reg, so I would be very appreciative of any information regarding overhaul
>costs (parts + labor) for these regulators.
>
>----
>Todd Spindler                                  
>TSpindler@rsmas.miami.edu                 RSMAS/MPO  University of Miami

I personally us the Scubapro G250/MkX and love it. I would suggest that
you contact Timothy Roberts (troberts@NRAO.edu) he is compiling a list
of peoples reviews of thier equipment. I sent my review of my G250/MkX
and my wifes Oceanic Omega II to him.

Dave Fortner
Fortner-D@3mail.ksc.nasa.gov

Usual Disclaimers Apply
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: 6845400@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re; SF in March
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 17:07:18 GMT

A better place to dive and safer too, is in the Monteray Bay.  There are more s
sharks off of the Farralon Islands which are off the San Francisco coast.

Good Luck

Kathy
------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Adrian Smith)
Subject: San Francisco in March?
Reply-To: adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:51:42 GMT

I don't get to read this group, so I'd aprpeciate any answers to my
question being emailed to me. Thanks.

I'm planning a trip to San Francisco in the beginning of March next year,
and would like to do some diving while I'm there. I've never dived there
before, but I do dive off the West Coast of Canada every so often, and
March is a good time because of a lack of plankton bloom, etc.

Does anyone have any information on good sites to check out while I'm
there? How about general dive conditions in March?


Thanks,
--
Adrian Smith
University of Alberta NeXT Campus Consultant
adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca
Audix: 5482


Xref: sparky rec.scuba:5460 misc.kids:25859
From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba,misc.kids
Subject: Re: Any recomendations for dive gear for kids?
Date: 12 Oct 1992 16:44:02 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: diver.asd.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct10.224243.17878@telebit.com> brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner) writes:
>
>So, anyone with kids diving who can point me to dealers or gear exchanges
>or items I probably haven't thought of, I'd appreciate hearing from you.
>This can be by mail, I'll summarize in about 30 days. We'll be the father
>daughter pair diving from the blue folboat double off Cannery Row...
>
Eric - 
Any Water Sports, on Saratoga Ave. in San Jose has a special place 
reserved in their hearts (and their shop) for kids.  The owner and his 
wife have two boys, I believe one of them is about 7 years old.  They 
sell and rent wetsuits for children, carry small size masks, etc.
Phone number is 408-244-4433.

I'll look forward to seeing you and your daughter on Cannery Row.

Regards, Lee
From: sc5@prism.gatech.EDU (CSEPLO,STEPHEN P)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Weight belt oops at 50'
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:19:58 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hey look. I'm confused. How are you going to die from a run away decent
from 50' down? As this happened at the very beginning of a dive, there
shouldn't be any decompression problems as this is well within the
direct ascent window (PADI tables). And as long as you continue to
breath out on the ascent, there shouldn't be any danger from lung over
expansion. You still had plenty of air, so how are you going to die?


Just curious why you thought that?


-- 

The Mad Hata  

"Hey, Mon....Tako Kichi!"
From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Safety/Standards Violations
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:59:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: scd.Bvv5v2.JC8
Organization: Hewlett Packard

In article <1992Oct9.080527.18803@nntp.uoregon.edu>, davidw@cie.uoregon.edu (David Weingarten) writes:
|> 
|> Anyway, my two questions, particularly directed at NAUI Instructors 
|> (but please respond even if you're not in that category), are: 1) am *I*
|> at legal risk if I continue to assist this class and 2) should I report
|> her to NAUI if the safety of the class does not improve in the last two
|> sessions?

I would suggest you do the following:

	1. Carefully document what you percieve to be violations. Keep
	   a detailed log each class session. Then, compare your documented
	   incidents with the actual standards as published by NAUI. Write
	   NAUI and ask for written clarification where there is ambiguity
	   over whether or not a quationable incident is an actual
	   violation or not. Remeber to include dates, times, and names
	   witnesses when possible (including specific student names
	   for which the violations occurred) in your log. Be as specific
	   and complete as possible.

	2. Make sure that you continue to discuss this with the instructor
	   you are assisting, in a non-confrontative manner. Explain that,
	   as a new instructor, you are interested in establishing a habit of
	   strict adherence to the standards, as it gives you the greatest
	   legal protection, and maximizes the safety of your students.

	3. If this person continues to violate absolute standards, don't
	   hesitate to report them to NAUI. Your careful documentation will
	   be necessary to back up your charges.

Finally, please be brave about this. It is easy to just look the other way
and not stir up trouble. However, if you believe this instructor is indeed
compromising the safety of her students, as an instructor yourself you have
an ethical obligation to see that she either corrects her actions, or is
prohibited from instructing.

-- 
Dave Waller
YMCA Instructor
From: ccechk@nuscc.nus.sg (Heng Kek)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Suunto Dive computer
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:05:51 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

There have been quite a bit of discussion on various dive computers.
However, I'm interested in comments on one that I recently bought.
It's a Suunto.  If I remember correctly, the model is SME-ML.
Thanks.		

Heng Kek
From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Standards violations
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:27:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: scd.Bw832L.6A0
Organization: Hewlett Packard

In article <9210161317.AA15563@cfa.harvard.edu>, geary%cfa3.DECNET@CFA.HARVARD.EDU writes:

|> I cannot support this view.  Nobody is on trial here,

Not in a court of law, but that is irrelevant. The consequences of a "guilty"
verdict are far reaching for the instructor in question regardless of the
actual legal situation.

|> but concerned
|> divers have a right to hear about and discuss just this sort of
|> thing on a forum like rec.scuba.

Agreed. This point, while entirely valid, does not in any way support the
view that this instructor should be hung out to dry in a public forum until
there has been an official investigation by the certifying agency concluding
that malfeasance has taken place. Even then, it is questionable whether or
not this individual's name should be made public, as they would be prohibited
from continuing to certify without close close supervision at the very least
as a result of negative findings in an investigation.

|> (1) When standards are clearly violated, this should be reported to
|> the certifying agency simply because it is the right thing to do.

And here's the rub. "Clearly" must be extablished, and the process by
which this is determined must be defined and carried out by the certifying
agency.

The accusation alone of another individual does not establish fact at all.
We know nothing of the accuser, or his relationship to the instructor in
question, excepting his own testimony. As such, his motives for posting here
could be entirely dishonest, and relying upon them as factual would be a
grave mistake.

Note that I am not accusing Mr. Weingarten of being dishonest. Rather, not
knowing him personally nor being directly involved with the class for which
the alleged violations took place, it would be quite premature to accept
his accusations at face value and take action.

Steve, you _seem_ to be willing to convict this instructor simply on the
word of a single other person, which is certainly not a just approach.

|> It is bad enough to witness divers putting themselves in danger,
|> but when an instructor allows this, we must take action.

Agreed. Did you see this happen? None of us did. Mr. Weingarten *did*. His
best course at this point is to take action and inform NAUI of the alleged
violations, and let them sort it out. He has a right to demand an
investigation, and should NAUI be remiss in their responsibility to follow
up on these allegations and issue a judgement, that would be appropriate for
full disclosure to the net, along with the names of NAUI officials who
were refusing to investigate. However, at this point dragging the instructor's
name and reputation through the mud is quite inappropriate.

-- 
Dave Waller
YMCA Instructor
From: falk@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Weight belt oops at 50'
Date: 13 Oct 1992 23:35:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world,local
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine

In article <Bw13pK.6o6@news.orst.edu> sdodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stephen M Dodd) writes:
>
>   Weight belts cost too much to leave behind.

For this reason, I always advocate getting the cheapest weight belt
you can.  I use only uncoated weight for example.  This way, when
an emergency happens, and you need to ditch your belt, you won't
hesitate because of how much the belt costs.  Those $100 high-tech
weight belts scare me.

I heard of one scuba club where everybody chipped in for a spare
belt as insurance.  If you ever had to ditch your belt, you were
given the spare as a replacement (and the club pitched in for another
spare.)

		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
To be loyal to rags, to shout for rags, to worship rags, to die for rags 
-- that is a loyalty of unreason, it is pure animal (Mark Twain).
From: wcc@cup.portal.com (wcc - usa)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: User configurable Computers
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 92 10:13:55 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Does anyone know of any computers that will allow you to change
the depth mode from Feet to Meters & the Temp Mode from F to C.

I do alot of travelling and dive with different buddies who use
both kinds of equipment (Imperial & metric depending where I am diving)
so I would like to be able to match my gauges to theirs..

I do not want to buy one that is buyer configurable (ie: Buy it in
Metric modes or buy it in Imperial modes), I want to be able to
change it between modes myself.

Thanx, Darryl (wcc)
From: uribe@jarthur.claremont.edu (Lydia Uribe)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Bringing it up again (seasickness)
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:40:21 GMT
Organization: Claremont Shelter for Maladjusted Singers

In article <1992Oct13.221806.12305@herboid.uucp> adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer) writes:

>Not that I've had much problem with seasickness (mostly down south; lake
>motion up here I'm used to), but I was wondering, is there a preferred
>spot for drysuit wearers where it'll stay dry (ie. what parts of the body
>are runners-up for absorbing the drug properly, after the ear, modulo any
>wet locations on the head and hands?  And for wetsuit divers, how much of
>a problem is it when a patch becomes wet?  Or should you toss out the one
>you're wearing before a dive and put on a fresh one afterwards (or maybe
>re-use it)?  

I've used the Transderm Scop patches on numerous dive trips.  Since you have
to apply it 6 to 8 hours before you board the boat for it to be effective,
the adhesive has lots of time to adhere to your skin, and the patch stays
put.  I'm a wetsuit diver, and I've never had a problem with the patch
coming loose, whether I'm wearing a hood or not.

>Is there any problem with wearing one under increased pressure at depth,
>such that you shouldn't even if you can keep it dry?

I have never noticed any problems with increased side effects (for me, it's
primarily a *very* dry mouth, but hey, it beats tossing my cookies! ;-)
wearing the patch while diving.  I wore one for the first three days I spent
on board Kona Aggressor in January, 1990; after I left the boat, I still felt
as though I were on board (things wouldn't stop *rocking*!) for several
days.  Since I hadn't had a patch on for four days before I noticed this, I
seriously doubt that the patch had anything to do with it (more likely it
was a very confused set of semicircular canals.... ;-)

					Lydia

"You're more than beginning -- you're learning to fly;
 You feel like you're falling, but it passes in time...."
			"From Me to You", Janis Ian
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From: craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell)
Subject: Re: PSU Divers
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:01:10 GMT

In article <92282.003911TMM124@psuvm.psu.edu> <TMM124@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Just wanted to ask if anyone that uses this board isn't associated with Nittnay
> Divers.  If you aren't give me a note.  Later guys.

>                                                    Terry

I'll bet Terry has been inundated with e-mail, if his request was honoured.
(Who are Nittnay Divers anyway?)  I've never heard anyone on this board claim
association with anything outside of certifying agencies. (That I can recall.)

We are all independant and free (sort of like UNIX :-)).

craig


-- 
Craig Campbell		|	These opinions are entirely the result of a 
Systems Engineer	|	small butterfly crashing into the far side
NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
an AT&T Company		|	I speak for no one, except, possibly, myself.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: Nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk (Gregory Stewart-Nicholls)
Reply-To: Nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Recommedations
X-Mailer: ReaderS for the Acorn Archimedes
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:15:39 +0000

  Hi there,
     A friend and I, having just recently passed our BSAC sports diver
quals (under conditions I may describe in a later missive), are feeling
adventurous enogh to purchase some kit. Naturally, we feel that net.wisdom
can help us avoid any serious blunders. Both of us are fortunate enough
to be able to place price very firmly behind quality and convenience in
selecting gear.
   We've both plumbed for US Divers Micra DV's, and would welcome any
comments anyone has, and in particular, we'd like to get a handle on
US based prices.
   The area we'd really like some help with is BC. To be honest, I haven't
dived enough differing conditions to pick out the best BC (assuming there
_is_ one). I'd be grateful for any advice on what sort of BC is suitable
for what sort of diving, best makes etc.
                                 Thanx in advance,
                                          Greg.

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