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From: gish@NCoast.ORG (Tyson Chihaya)
Subject: Re: SubPop + SST?
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:22:02 GMT

ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
: 
: Since SubPop and SST have been working together on a couple projects, I
: gather, has their been any thought to them "joining forces" and becoming
: 1 label?
: 
: Since they're in the market for the same type of music, it would kinda
: make sense that they combine their efforts into one entity.

Sorry, this is completely off of the topic, but how are you reading
alt.music.alternative from Freenet? I can't get it there...

Oh, and I don't think SST and SubPop have really worked together, it's
been mostly bands going from one label to the other..


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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mos@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Michael O'Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Ramones, punk rock, XRaySpex, others (lots)
Organization: Customised Software Solutions Centres, AOTC
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:34:37 GMT

mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:

>In article <4991@news.duke.edu> jbrehm@acpub.duke.edu (John Brehm) writes:
>>I second all of the previous mentions.  Also, The Jam, Stranglers, 
>>Dead Kennedys, The Fall, and of course, The Clash.  The first Clash
>>record, with all that tinny production, has more rage and fury
>>than any other record of that era.  Sure, Never Mind the Bollocks
>>defined the sound, but the Pistols never had the focus and intensity
>>that the Clash had in that first record.  (This from a guy who

>Never Mind the Bollocks defined the sound?  I can't agree with 
>that one at all.  I'd say _Never Mind the Bollocks_ popularized the
>sound which had been defined by the Ramones.  

No way. I'm a Ramones fan (got every album), but the pistols didn't
popularize anything. If you research the origins of the punk movement
(explosion of bands etc) it was a combination of a number of things.
Basically the Ramones first tour of England in early 76 (Maybe Late 75)
ignited it all. 

	It should be noted however that three of the pistols
(Matlock,Jones,Cook) had been playing together for almost two years, which
disputes your popularist theory.

>Also, I've seen the Clash live, and I don't think their live
>shows or their records came anywhere near the intensity of
>early Black Flag (GBH is more intense as well).

I would have loved to see the Pistols Live.

>I will say that the Clash had more interesting lyrics and a better
>guitar player than probably any of them (though the Dead Kennedys had
>some great lyrics as well).  

The pistols had some great lyrics, as do the Clash. I would suggest that
the two bands are quite different. You can't really compare them or their
lyrics. 
	 As for the Guitarists, none of them were really great, but Mick
Jones is no better than the other's (in my humble opinion).

>How about this?  Who is your favorite punk rock guitarist:
>(excuse me if I just list the band names when I don't know
>the guitarist's name). My list:

>Mick Jones of the Clash
>Greg Gihn of Black Flag
>Johnny Ramone 
>Angry Samoans guitarist
>Sex Pistols guitarist (Steve Jones) 
>The Damned's Guitarist
>DK's guitarist (Klaus Flouride?)

I'd add the Guy from Generation X



As for favourite Guitarist, How's Angus Young from ACDC.



			    Cheers,
			    		MOS
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From: a0s5102@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Mitchell R Dickerman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: look blue go purple (flying nun band)
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:30:41 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

skmurphy@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Sean K. Murphy) writes:
>1.  LBGP is often compared to Lush, although LBGP recorded first.    

Lush?? Are you kidding? They're not even close. LBGP doesn't have that big
echoy sound that Lush has, nor the loud guitars. LBGP usually sounds like a
female-version of the Chills, though not quite as good. I like them, and at
their best, they are terrific. But some of their stuff is just generic New
Zealand sounding, which isn't band, just not original.

Mitch
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: amason@cs1.uct.ac.za (A Mason)
Subject: Q: Skin track names
Summary: track listing wanted
Keywords: Skin swans shame humilty revenge
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:50:00 GMT

Can anyone tell me the track listing for Shame, Humility and Revenge by Skin?
( Gira and Jarboe, Swans ). -this is a brilliant album, by the way. Non of
the discographies I have been able to lay my hands on have a track listing 
for it, who knows why. I know one of the tracks is called 24 Hours, and one
is presumably Shame, Humility and Revenge :-), but otherwise I am clueless.

Cheers.

				----X-X-X----

Ashton Mason                  
amason@cs1.uct.ac.za	      And where is the choice, when my freedom's
amason@bilbo.cs.uct.ac.za     described by my fear?
University of Cape Town                                - Michael Gira
South Africa
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:11:59 EDT
From: Michael D. Jung <MDJ102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Throwing Muses' latest

In article <1992Aug27.124551.13363@watson.ibm.com>,
kitchens@morpheus.austin.ibm.com (otto vaughn kitchens) says:

>does anybody have an impression of the Throwing Muses' new album >_Red
Tornado_?  thanks.

The new Muses album is called "Red Heaven." I have mixed feelings about it.
Red Heaven is a little more funky than their previous stuff, which is a
direction I don't know that they want to go in.  The production work is very
good--the drums sound really exciting in particular on the lead track,
"Furious." However, songs like the first track seem to dawdle, or maybe I'm
missing the point.  I've been a Throwing Muses fan for awhile, and I have to
say that I like this album, too, but I'm not really quite sure.  Get it,
though, if you liked _The Real Ramona_.  (By the way, Throwing Muses is now
composed entirely of Kristin Hersh and David Narcizo.  Leslie Langston plays
bass on some tracks.)
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From: guest@qualman.esd.sgi.com (Guest Account)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: NEW LOCAL BAND "HARVEN GRAVEL"
Keywords: >>> There will be a neww local San Jose band coming soon to clubs
 all over San Fran, and San Jose.  They are called "Harven Gravel".  They
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:37:31 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

sound alot like Faith No More.  The Singer, Steve Dinkins, Has Admired
Micheal
Patton for over a year, and sounds very close to him.  It also has a bassey
sound like Chilli Peppers.
 Hope you will go to any show they have.  I have access to demos, if
interested.

			Juwels
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: woycke@smiley.mitre.org (Daniel Woycke)
Subject: Re: What is alternative? (argh! NO!)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:32:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.052043.16347@midway.uchicago.edu> gc14@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Hi there everyone!  I suppose that my subject says it all, so what exactly
>is "alternative" music.  If someone could please distinguish between
>alternative, industrial, new wave, new age I'd really appreciate it.
>PLEASE no flames, I'm really just asking, and do not mean to offend, I'd 
>just like to hear the opinions of some afficianados...
>I will be reading this newsgroup for a while in the hopes of some responses,
>and I can be reached for email at:
>				  gc14@ellis.uchicago.edu
>Thanks in advance!
>
>					Grace
>

Alternative music is music that somebody doesn't listen to, for me
alternative music is Madonna, Enya, Cure, Kris Kross, and Maria Carey.
:)

Thank You,

Daniel W. Woycke             |"I went out drinking with Thomas 
The MITRE Corporation	     |Paine..." -- Billy Bragg
7525 Colshire Drive (MS Z213)|"But I am still thirsty..."
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: tceh000@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu (eugene hopstetter)
Subject: Re: Smiths covers?
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:49:57 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-4326]: convex1.tcs.tulane.edu

In article <6145@transfer.stratus.com> winter@gressenhall.sw.stratus.com (Brian Winter) writes:
>
>Hi - I'm trying to find out about artists/bands that have covered
>songs by the Smiths, and which songs they covered. The only one I know
>of is "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now" covered by Act.
>
>Any others?

Quicksand covered "How Soon Is Now?" when they opened for Helmet. Dunno
if they've recorded it.

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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: kang@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joseph S Kang)
Subject: Lollapalooza 2
Keywords: Wow, what a blast!
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:42:02 GMT

Howdy all.  I have just returned from seeing Lollapalooza 2 at Harriet Island 
in St. Paul, Mn.  I was a lot of fun.  I just thought that I would write down
my thoughts after seeing the show, so you might want to skip this post.

Anyway, Lush was the first band of the day.  I thought that they were really 
good live.  It was the first time that I had had a chance to see them live and
I thought that a lot of the stuff that you hear on the albums transfered well 
to the stage.  (I'm somewhat biased, I am in love with Miki from Lush.)  

Next was Pearl Jam.  I'm not a fan of theirs but they were ok.  They played all
of their "hits".  Plus other stuff.

Then came the Jesus and Mary Chain.  They were really great.  I didn't know 
what to expect from them but they put on a great show.  Misfired on Head On.
The band started but the singer did not.

Next was Soundgarden.  They were pretty good, but I'm not a fan of theirs.  
But I do like the songs Jesus Christ Pose and Outshined and those sounded good
live.  One surprise, they played the very controversial :-) "Cop Killer".  A
very interesting choice for a cover song.

Ice Cube played in the 5 position.  Most of you don't want to hear about him.
But I like him and he was incredible.

Ministry played after Cube.  Opened with N.W.O.  I'm not a fan of them but they
had the crowd going nuts.  They did NOT play Jesus Built My Hotrod.  This was a
surprise to me.  Have they not played it at the other shows.  One other thing.
Someone got to go backstage to meet the bands and they stole the jacket that
belonged to the drummer for Ministry.  It had his laminate pass for the show 
and his passport.  Man, some people!!

The Red Hot Chili Peppers played last.  Sorry but I didn't stay for this one.
I was just too tired from standing all day.  They opened with Give It Away.
That's all I know.

Well, in closing, all I can say is that I had A LOT of fun.

Later all,

Joe
-- 
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kang@stolaf.edu  |               expressed in the above article are all mine.
                 |  		 Unless I've been brain-washed and don't know
St. Olaf College |    		 it or don't notice the difference. :-)
From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Dinosaur Jr.
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:07:52 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

bfrrelly@unix2.tcd.ie (Jerry Cornelius) writes:

>             Does anyone out there in netland know what Mr. Massics and
>Dinosaur Jr. are up to these days!! Is there any sign of a new
>album/tour!!?! 
>                   Yours Interestedly!!
>                            Brian!


J. Mascis has a track on _Guitarrorists_ and he's also responsible for
the soundtrack to the new Alison Anders film, _Gas_Food_Lodging_ which
I saw in the Seattle Film Festival a couple months ago and liked the
soundtrack very much.  Also he has a cameo role near the end as a burned out
hippie.

Lena
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: c60a-it@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Amit Sahai)
Subject: Trashcan Sinatras: Where are they?
Keywords: Trashcan Snowflake
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:48:12 GMT

     The only Trashcan Sinatras CD I can find is "Cake," but I know they
have released singles for "Obscurity Knocks" and "Circling the Circumference"
Does anyone know where I could obtain these or any other Trashcan Sinatras
CDs? 
     BTW: if you liked the songs on Cake, you must hear "My Mistake" on
the "Circling the Circumference" Single.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: etxsahm@eua.ericsson.se (Marten.Sahlen)
Subject: Re: Ramones
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:43:24 GMT

> In article <1992Aug25.195412.14826@u.washington.edu> dube@carson.u.washington.edu (Ric Dube) writes:
>>
>>Here's a new thread.  What's your favorite Ramones record.
>>

I have all of the Ramones albums, have seen them live several times, and as
previously stated by others here, they completely changed my musical 
direction. Though all of their records are essential IMHO, the first three
are outstanding, any record collection would be incomplete without them.

In the early to mid-eighties, when Sire left "da brudders" in the hands of
super producers like Phil Spector and Sandy Pearlman, just to make them more
commercially viable, they lost some intensity (i.e. 'End Of The Century',
'Pleasant Dreams' and 'Subterranean Jungle') but were still able to write 
those timeless pop songs.

Then, suddenly we could see a re-vitalized band flirting with hardcore on the
albums 'Too Tough To Die' and 'Animal Boy', which are almost compatible with
the first three when it comes to pace and power. Original producers Ed Stasium
and T Erdelyi (Tommy Ramone) were back once again behind the controls.

The last two albums 'Halfway To Sanity' (where Debbie Harry appears on one
track) and 'Brain Drain' are also worth checking out, not only for nostalgic
reasons, but simply because they still know how to purvey the best of rock,
stripped down to the crude essentials, three or four chords at most.

For those interested in other bands in the same vein, the Undertones is a
must. Check out the debute 'The Undertones' and the following 'Hypnotized'.

--
>>>>----Marten Sahlen, Ericsson Telecom AB, S-126 25 Stockholm, Sweden----<<<<
>>>----------Phone: +46 8 7273849, Email: etxsahm@eua.ericsson.se----------<<<
>>----------------- "An apple a day keeps the doctor away, -----------------<<
>------ an orgasm a day keeps the psychiatrist away" - Dusan Makavejev ------<
From: higham@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: NZ: Head Like A Hole (was LBGP ..
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:04:16 GMT
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Sep1.033007.10351@peponi.wcc.govt.nz>, meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> In article <1992Sep1.113426.587@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, phys170@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Michael Albrow) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug28.055440.24660@peponi.wcc.govt.nz>, meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>> 
>>> What about NZ's best band Head Like A Hole, 
>>
>> In case anyone's tempted, don't bother. They're a Wellington imitation of 
>>the Janes Addiction/Chilli Peppers type stuff. Actually I can't think of any
>>good bands to have come out of Wellington ;-)
>>
> 
> 
> Oh really, pull your head out of the sand. The Gordons, Bailter Space,
> Shihad, The Bilge Festival, Flesh De Vice, FOHC, Open Oyster, SMUT,
> Deliverance, Septic Noise Grind, The Manson Family, Number Nine
> Sam Manzana, and Head Like A Hole arent no Janes Addiction and IMO
> are a better band than the Red Hots.

I thought the Gordons were a ChCH band, Bailter Space definitely come from the
Garden city, as for Sam Manzanza, well, he's originally from Zimbabwe isn't he.
If you're looking at New Zealand home base well he arrived in Dunedin first
some time ago (88/89? from memory). I don't know about the Wellington
connection. Shihad/FdVice of course are, never heard of the others.

-- 
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From: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Date: 25 Aug 92 09:50:45 GMT
	<1992Aug23.231941.18799@colorado.edu>
	<RJC.92Aug24145019@daiches.cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
	<1992Aug25.010156.25027@colorado.edu>
Organization: Human Communication Research Center
In-reply-to: conroym@news.colorado.edu's message of 25 Aug 92 01:01:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.010156.25027@colorado.edu>, Matthew Conroy (mc) writes:

mc> uh, no, this is the common definition of profit, which is quite 
mc> meaningful...many companies have negative profit (i.e. loss), many
mc> have stictly positive (i.e. non-negative, non-zero) profit...
mc> this would be listed in the ledger under the heading 'profit'.

That's because they don't count certain outlays as costs and so that
money is left over. Typically a non-limited company wouldn't count the
money which the owner takes as pay, for instance, their salary _is_
the profit. Limited companies and corporations usually invest some of
the money. Public companies use some to pay out dividends. 

mc> what i object to (and this being the objection that you took 
mc> exception to) is the existence of huge corporations who 
mc> promote the negative (ie they exploit workers to a greater than 
mc> usual degree, they harm the environment excessively, etc)  and
mc> the purchasing of musical products from such organizations.

Is it the 'huge' or the 'corporation' you object to? Huge is just what
hapens when people like the music they are selling for long enough.
Corporation is simply a useful legal fiction to allow someone to start
publishing outer mongolian nose flute music, or whatever, without
actually risking being in hock for the rest of their life if no one
wants to buy it.

It seems to me you are just giving the old r.m.a cry `I only want
music no one has heard of' a slightly more obscure wording.

mc> it seems completely reasonable and good, in this society, for a
mc> company to make enough money to pay the employees enough to live on, 
mc> provided that their products(and the production thereof, and other
mc> aspects of the company itself) do minimal harm to the world.

Define `enough to live on'? :-). Generally speaking, to minimise
environmental impact you should run the most efficiant process (where
effeicancy here is measured by waste products). That probably means
big. Also a bigger plant will make better clean-up mechanisms
affordable. That all means big pressing complanies (or even, shock!
corporations). Economics being what it is, that is going to give big
labels. 

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rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk			_O_
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From: vijaypai@owlnet.rice.edu (Vijay Sadananda Pai)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Looking for NE CD's
Keywords: nitzerebb
Date: 31 Aug 1992 20:58:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rice University

In article <Btv148.3HI@rice.edu>, vijaypai@owlnet.rice.edu (Vijay Sadananda Pai) writes:
|> A couple of questions:
|> 
|> Am I the only one around who listens to Nitzer Ebb? (I sure hope not)! I never see anything
|> posted about them...
|> 
|> Also, is anyone here from Houston? If so, do you know where I can get a copy of the
|> flourescent green CD single with remixes of "Lightning Man", "Getting Closer", and
|> "Fun to Be Had"? I'm also looking for a cheap copy of Warsaw Ghetto and songs from
|> that period in NEP history... If anyone's got a copy they want to get rid of, tell me
|> about it!
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> -- Vijay Pai
|> 
|> Aspiring young Electrical Engineer
|> Resident, Jones 4th North "Jones' Quality Floor"


Sorry, folks:
I didn't know there was a rec.music.industrial.
I've obviously posted this in the wrong place!

No offense....

-- 
-- Vijay Pai

Aspiring young Electrical Engineer
Resident, Jones 4th North "Jones' Quality Floor"
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: u9161910@cs.uow.edu.au (Gareth William Omeara)
Subject: Re: Henry Rollins's books
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 04:20:19 GMT

maartenm@blade (Maarten Muijen) writes:

>Hallo daar,

>It has come to my attention that Henry Rollins has written some books. Does
>anyone out there knows some titles, and the firm that publishes them?

Although I have never actually seen any,I think they are published
by Rollins himself through his company 2.13.61 (his date of birth)
and I think there is one called A thousand ways to die.

Gareth.
u9161910@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au
From: jonke@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (Stephen Jonke)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: What is alternative? (argh! NO!)
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:59:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <1992Aug26.052043.16347@midway.uchicago.edu> gc14@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Hi there everyone!  I suppose that my subject says it all, so what exactly
>is "alternative" music.  If someone could please distinguish between
>alternative, industrial, new wave, new age I'd really appreciate it.

Well, new age is dramatically different from any of the others you list!
New age is music intended to relax stressed out yuppies.  Extremely light
melow synth and acoustic guitar music with occasional unusual instruments
thrown in.  Verges on Muzak, but "original" (but terribly cliched) titles
and taken from Folk music, instead of from Pop music as Muzak is.

It isn't music, it's relaxation therapy!  Be sure to have pleny of Pepto
Bismol on hand if you listen to it!

Steve
From: amcbride@axion.bt.co.uk (Alan McBride)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: NME v Morrissey (was Re: Morrissey vs. Smiths)
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:03:32 GMT
Reply-To: AMcBride@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Research Laboratories



I strongly feel (and hope even more so) that the NME are
off the rails on this one.  Firstly, I don't see anything
damning in the morrissey quotes they printed.  Secondly, 
skinhead != racist.  M's flirtation with skinhead culture
and imagery does not on its own imply a sympathy with
extreme right skins.  Perhaps his sympathies lie with
SHARP.  Furthermore, morrissey does indeed deal clumsily
with race issues in songs such as bengali in platforms
and asian rut, but the songs are at worst patronising,
as morrissey seems to be expressing pity and failed
compassion.  I feel it would be stretching it to 
read this as racism.  Oh well.  I'll just wait and
see, and hope that the man dosen't let himself and
his admirers down.  


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