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From: blh+@cs.cmu.edu (Bruce Horn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norway losing Freia
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:13:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bw3CzC.4nK.1
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

Bjorn Kvisli writes:

>Bruce Horn writes about Philip-Morris' takover of Freia:
>>BH> I have heard that they are planning on closing some of the Norwe>
>>BH> and moving down to the continent.  In addition to the loss of jo>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Where are your sources of information? Those plans are unheard of
>in Norway.

I heard secondhand that this was occurring, but don't have any firm sources.

>But people do worry, and I don't blame them. The worries are of
>cause that the new owners are after the brand names and the
>marketing channels, and will move manufacturing elsewhere. A
...
>Philip-Morris states hoevever that they are going to keep and
>develop the facilities in Norway.

I'm very glad to hear this.  I hope that they aren't just saying that to get
the shareholders to agree to the takeover.

>Freia dooes  seem to need a strong owner. The will to invest is
>very low in Norway today. Capital willing to take risk is very
>scarce, and by purchasing Freia, Philip-Morris brings almost 9
>billion Norwegian kroner (crowns) into Norway.

Well, "brings in" just means that 9 billion NKr. change hands.  The
shareholders who sold their shares to P-M made some money, that's for sure.
I just hope that Freia doesn't move to the continent, and that P-M doesn't
try to just take advantage of the reputation of Freia and bring an inferior
product to market.

Are they planning on making capital improvements to Freia?  If not, there
really isn't any investment happening.

I guess I do also have a gut feeling that foreign ownership of Freia is not
a good thing for Norway.  But of course, this is an open issue.

-- 
Bruce Horn, Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science
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ARPA: Bruce.Horn@cs.cmu.edu
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From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Vikings and Green Beads
Keywords: viking bead
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:11:38 GMT

Steinar Bang writes:
>John S. Robertson writes:

>>This might sound like a strange request,
>>... but I was wondering if anyone out there ever heard of Vikings
>>wearing green beads in their hair.

>No, it would clash with their horns...

Therefore, they had them in their beards, and let them clash with their
belts. Actually, they had green beads on the right side and red beads on
the left side. This helped them to navigate on their long longship
journeys.

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From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Vestkusten
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:31:29 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Apple

In article <1992Oct15.080921.4041@jyu.fi>, sakkinen@jyu.fi (Markku
Sakkinen) wrote:
> In article <ksand-091092102039@wintermute.apple.com> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
> >Hi, took some time before I got the latest number of Vestkusten, the
> >magazine published for Swedes on the west coast of USA.
> > ...
> 
> So why is the name of magazine in Norwegian?!

Frankly speaking I don't know why they spelled it Vestkusten instead
of V{stkusten, maybe they had problems with the { letter and  
typesetting :-)?

Cheers,
Kent
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From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: Wang OPEN/image document imaging for AIX starts shipments
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:30:41 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

In article <199210131518.AA14643@tuna.wang.com>,
IMAGING.CLUB@OFFICE.WANG.COM > If there's any still any doubt about whether
OPEN/image AIX document imaging
> is shipping now, it can next be seen November 11-13 at the 100 square meter
> Wang stand at the UNIX/Open Systems Expo just outside of Stockholm.  (People
> in Tampere will be able to see it shortly in Helsinki/Espoo also.)

> Maybe we'll just post future release announcements of Wang AIX document
> imaging to the IBM Munich AIX newsletter broadcast over these newsgroups!

I'm sure we all that read this Nordic oriented newsgroup are eagerly
awaiting more computer product information on soc.culture.nordic. Please
keep
us updated weekly about the status! While we are working on advertisement
deals,
maybe I could also post weekly updates of the status of our products - NOT!

Cheerfully,
Kent
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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:58:09 GMT
	<ksand-041092160917@wintermute.apple.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Kent" == Kent Sandvik (ksand@apple.com)

Kent> People are people, I do know of Swedes that converted to Hare Kristna
Kent> (and back again).

If you take a look at an average Danish bookstore, you could easily
get the impression that there is some sort of competition going on:
Who can come up with the most nutty beliefs? Even more amazing,
judging from sales there are lots of people believing in all this
stuff -- Tarot cards, "earth rays" (dunno if there is an English
term), Hare Kristna, Pyramid forces, Islam, 121 different styles of
christianity, reincarnation -- or even better most of it at once.

Kent> At the same time, the 'classical' Nordic religions
Kent> are not at all important anymore. I guess there could be many reasons
Kent> why people convert to all forms of religions, including fanatical forms
Kent> of religious worshipping.

The interesting point is, one usually argues that the change from an
oral to a literary society creates a move towards doubt and away from
belief, since reading makes it simple to compare sources and lessens
the effect of persuasion. This is of course not an instant but a
gradual effect that can be used as an explanation of the falling
importance of christianity in western Europe.

What I don't understand, then, is why this need to believe all kinds
of stuff? Why replace christianity with something else? Are we seeing
the effects of the secondary oral society, or is this just a random
fluctuation?

/Lars


Kent> Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy
Kent> to investigate. -F.M.  Knowles

"Faith:  not *wanting* to know what is true."
        -- Friedrich Nietzsche
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: andersa@Riga.DoCS.UU.SE (Anders Andersson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Radio propaganda (was: Denmark mm)
Date: 14 Oct 1992 18:01:17 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University, Sweden
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: riga.docs.uu.se

In article <1992Oct12.190032.18120@kth.se>, d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Arthur Sparrendahl) writes:
> 	Ahmed Rami har enligt uppgift utla"ndska fonder som bland annat

> 	This posting is about what I consider a major national
> 	embarresement. I'm writing in Swedish in order to keep 
> 	in the family.

Too embarrassing to write about it in English, or what? :-)

In my opinion, the whole affair (about antisemitic propaganda) is
primarily embarrassing to the Swedish radio station "Radio Islam",
to Ahmed Rami himself, and to his supporters.  As the Swedish
authorities in no way condones this propaganda, I fail to see how
it can be "a major national embarrassment" the way you phrase it.
Either you didn't mean to say that, or your evaluation of the
situation differs from mine.  As to how, I'm curious.

For the readers' information: Radio Islam has been found guilty
of agitation against an ethnic group, the legally responsible
person (who is merely a front for Ahmed Rami) has been sentenced
to jail, and Rami now claims to be shutting down the station "as
a protest".  This radio station has been transmitting antisemitic
propaganda for years, and has (I think) been repeatedly convicted
for that, though until now with little practical effect.
--
Anders Andersson, Dept. of Computer Systems, Uppsala University
Paper Mail: Box 325, S-751 05 UPPSALA, Sweden
Phone: +46 18 183170   EMail: andersa@DoCS.UU.SE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:18:43 GMT

In article <14865@chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.153623.8104@eua.ericsson.se> euafri@eua.ericsson.se writes:
>>In Swede ... only a few percent of the population beleive in the
>>christian god.
>
>  Sweden, the home of apatheism :)

"Tror du p} gud?"
"N{e"
"Vaff|r inte de d}?"
"J|bbit!"

:-)

Tomas
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               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
From: gl@ypedhs.no (GeirAge Leirvik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norway loses important part of culture
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:46:02 GMT
Organization: Statens Yrkespedagogiske Hogskole

In article <CMM.0.90.2.718882631.steinry@svarte.ifi.uio.no>, Stein J|rgen Rypern <steinry@ifi.uio.no> writes:
|> 
|>   Err, I guess Thomas Eriksson is correct. The main airport debate has been
|> a part of our culture for more than 23 years. Don't know exactly how long,
|> but according to the various newspapers, I guess you could claim either
|> 20+, 30+ or 40+ years. 

At the norwegian broadcasting corporation (NRK), they claim to know that the case was mentioned for the first time in Stortinget (the big thing) some 36 years ago. In 1956 to be exact. If this is the start of the debate, who knows. But I can guarantee that it is not much older than 1903. 
Greetings to Orville and Wilbur

from 

Geir 
National College for the education of vocational and technical teachers
(God bless acronyms) 
SYH  (In short, what else...) 
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From: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu (Bryan Stack)
Subject: Re: Vestkusten
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:25:21 GMT

euatno@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Nopp) writes:

>>>	Vestkusten sound swedish to me..
>>That's because you're Norwegian. Sounds Russian to me...

>What!!!!
>Do you actually mean that the word Vest is nowadays a legitimit(sp?)
>word in Russian vocabulary?????

Always was, with two different meanings.  The Slavic word vest' means
news or a bit of news; the nautical term, vest, presumably coming into Russian
from German, means west or a west wind.  (In ordinary Russian, the word
for west is zapad.)

Kust means bush or shrub.

So if we make our word Russian, it would presumably mean news-bush or
west-wind-bush.  Sounds like one of those opaque kennings in old Norse
poetry.  But that brings us back to Scandinavia . . . 

Bryan

--
>>> Bryan Stack, Government Documents Librarian, University Library
University of Nebraska at Omaha, Omaha NE 68182-0237 USA
Email: momotaro@cwis.unomaha.edu   Phone: 402-554-3258   FAX: 402-554-3215
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (Bjorn B. Larsen)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Reply-To: bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no
Organization: delab
	<1992Oct6.221319.27057@nntp.hut.fi>
Distribution: soc
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:40:09

In article <1992Oct6.221319.27057@nntp.hut.fi> tenkanen@lesti.hut.fi
(Marko Tenkanen) writes:

> [ ... ]

> Our religion is more liberal in those things than Islam. It is not a death
> sin to convert to Islam from protestant religion. (no flames,please!)

> [ ... ]

I do not know too much about Islam, but I know the basics of
Christianity, and I can assure you that you are wrong!! Our religion
may be more "liberal" in the sense that women are regarded equal to
men, but not if you talk about conversion. The basic of Christianity
is that Jesus died and rose again to save all human beeings who want
to be saved. From this follows that there is only one way to be saved,
and that is through Jesus Christ! If you leave Christianity for Islam,
you also leave that possibility for salvation behind!

Remember that living in a Scandinavian, or so called "christian"
country does not imply that you are a christian. That is a choise of
your own, and I would guess that most of the people who convert to
Islam have never been christian.

Bj{\o}rn
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From: arneberg@lioth.cs.adfa.oz.au (Bjorn Arne Berge)
Subject: Soccer, fotball, fotball og soccer
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Keywords: VM-kvalik, World Cup -94
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:26:57 GMT

Kan noen please, please, please poste VM-kvalifiseringstabellene for de gruppene
hvor Norge, Sverige, Danmark, Finland og Island er med ?!?!?!?!

Aller helst med all info (hjemme/borte-kamper, resultater, m}lforskjell osv.).

Tusen takk!!

Bjorn Arne (Hard to get Nordic newspapers in Australia....:-)

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	   arneberg@SPARCserve.cs.adfa.oz.au  |   in the bush.."  |
           "Blant alle lande i ost og vest,   |-------------------|
	    er fedrelandet mitt hjerte nest"  | "Join the ....."  |
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From: wd@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Diestelkamp)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish parliament open for the season
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:55:53 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany


I like to bring this up from time to time ...

As the Swedish parliament is now open for the season, could anybody tell
me whether and when the Swedish parliament intends to ratify the 
EC-EFTA treaty ?
Austria ratified it about two weeks ago, so how about Sweden ?
-- 
Wolfgang Diestelkamp
wd@cs.tu-berlin.de
wolfgang@first.gmd.de
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: UN conference to Trondheim
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:16:44 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization

From _Adresseavisen_, a daily newpaper published in Trondheim,
Wednesday 7 October 1992.  Translated by yours truly.  Correction
of translation errors is appreciated.  

Important UN Conference to Trondheim
------------------------------------

(by Egil M. Opland)

Trondheim has recieved a unique opportunity to be internationally
known as an environmentally concerned city.  In May 1993, experts from
150 countries will gather for a UN conference in Trondheim to follow
up on the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development in
Brazil. 

On the Norwegian side, work has been going on for several months to
get the conference of experts here.  It was first officially stated
that the UN had chosen Norway when the national budget was made public
yesterday.  

In Brazil, 158 nations signed the Treaty for the Protection of Earth's
Biodiversity.  Experts and bureaucrats from thoe nations which signed
it will be invited to this follow-up meeting.  It is expected that
most of these countries will be represented at the conference,
Adresseavisen was told.

Karl Baadsvik, director of the Norwegian Institute for Nature Research
(NINA), and Peter Johan Schei, director of the Directorate for Natural
Management (DN) came up with the idea for a meeting of experts.  At
the same time they recommended that the meeting be held in Trondheim,
which has a strong biological research and technical environment.
[The Norwegian Institute of Technology (NTH) is located here, which
tends to attract research firms. -cgk]

The United Nations Environmental Program (UNEP), which coordinates the
work for the Treaty, considers the conference in Trondheim very
important.  In the course of just one week, delegates will lay the
technical groundwork for the political continuation of the Treaty,
which was regarded as one of the most important final documents from
the Brazil meeting.

Technical arrangements in Trondheim will be handled by DN and NINA in
cooperation with the Center for Environment and Development at the
University [of Trondheim, which includes NTH. -cgk].

"The conference is unmistakably a feather in the cap both for Norway
and for the research environment in Trondheim.  Many countries have
been working hard to arrange this conference," says Karl Baadsvik,
director of NINA.

Detailed planning will now begin in full.  Among other things, a
committee in charge of the arrangements, with delegates from several
countries, will be named.

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-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
From: ct@dde.dk (Claus Tondering)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:33:36 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Dansk Data Elektronik A/S

tenkanen@lesti.hut.fi (Marko Tenkanen) writes:

>Our religion is more liberal in those things than Islam. It is not a death
>sin to convert to Islam from protestant religion. (no flames,please!)

I will not flame you, but I will correct you:
  - According to Islam, a person who leaves Islam for antoher religion
    is lost.
  - According to Christianity, a person who leaves Christianity for
    another religion is lost.
-- 
Claus Tondering
Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev, Denmark
E-mail: ct@dde.dk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Subject: Re: New Moomintroll TV series
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:28:01 GMT
Organization: Apple
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic,rec.arts.animation

In article <alberti.719062392@staff.tc.umn.edu>, alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu
(Timothy Fay) wrote:
> The MOOMINTROLL series currently on Japanese TV is actually the _second_
> one based on Jansson's characters (the first aired on Japanese TV in the
> early '80's).  I've seen episodes from both, and it's a rather nicely done
> cartoon show, and I would enjoy seeing it on American television.

Hehehe, not enough guts and blood to make it over here in US. I guess
PBS would carry it, but you need more intergalactic madmen that
kill humans like rats if you want to make it a big seller on the 
Saturday morning comics scene.

Kent
It is one of the superstitions of the human mind to have imagined that
virginity could be a virtue.  -- Voltaire
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From: arthuro@rosa.nbr.no (Arthur N. Olsen)
Subject: Re: Norway losing Freia
Organization: The National Library, Rana, Norway
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:00:09 GMT

In article <Bw0s65.1n4.1@cs.cmu.edu> blh+@cs.cmu.edu (Bruce Horn) writes:

>I have read recently that Philip-Morris, the huge US tobacco firm, is
>planning on buying (or has bought) Freia-Maribou, the best chocolate company
>in the universe.  The shareholders have apparently voted to allow more than

>I have heard that they are planning on closing some of the Norwegian plants
>and moving down to the continent.  In addition to the loss of jobs in
>Norway, this will (IMHO) inevitably lead to a loss in quality, since they
>will no longer be using Norwegian dairy products for production.  I am not
>just being provincial (how could I?)--as a milk, yogurt and chocolate lover,
>I have found Norwegian dairy products to be far superior to American and
>European products.

I agree completely regarding the unique quality of Freia chocolate. Happily
the situation is probably not as bad as one could fear. The latest news
is that Philip-Morris through Kraft-General Foods have bought 60% of the
public stock from Norsk Hydro and will probably buy most of the rest from
minor stock holders. The offer from the US congromerate was just to good
to turn down for profit seeking shareholders ( around 9 billion nok ).
The sale has to receive a govermental OK to be finalized, and at least
one party ( SV the Socialist Left Party ) will oppose this in the Norwegian
parlement. Most political commentators believe the Labour goverment will
OK the sale.

On the other hand Philip-Morris has more or less garanteed not to
move production from the Norwegian plant. Freia products should be just
as good in the forseeable future. Freia already exports quite a bit to
the Continent and new funding from Kraft-General Foods could mean more
investments in the plants. 

Kong Haakon from Freia is what I regard as the worlds best chocolates 
 
  Arthur N. Olsen                  Nasjonalbibliotekavd. i Rana
  Senior Executive Officer         The National Library, Rana Norway
  Systems Development              " The furthest north of any national
  E-MAIL arthuro@rosa.nbr.no         library in the world: 66:30 N ! "

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From: eeinhorn@titan.ucc.umass.edu (ERIC EINHORN)
Subject: Re: Norway loses important part of culture
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:56:53 GMT

Given the distance from Oslo to Gardermoen and the price of Norwegian taxis,
the taxi fare will probably exceed the airfare, even for North Atlantic
travelers.  
Are there plans for rapid transit to the airport?  I don't mean a typical
Norwegian road.  Rapid rail (like Paris, Brussels, Chicago, etc.) could make
this decision less catastrophic.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: achristo@pons.uio.no (Alf Christophersen)
Subject: Zabbadabbadooooooooo!
Organization: University of Oslo
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:47:24 GMT


Soccer, world cup qualification


   E N G L A N D    1 - N O R W A Y     1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


          NORWAY IS NOW LEADING WITH 7 of 8 points possible!


And Netherland - Poland 2-2!!!

Alf CHr
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From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:15:31 GMT

Helge Hafting writes:

>Perhaps people that convert arent really serious about religion, they just
>convert because it is convenient?

Hear, hear.

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From: reggie@lise.unit.no (Reggie Davidrajuh)
Subject: HELP : Prof. Heikki Koivo's email address
Organization: University of Trondheim
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 16:51:00 GMT



Could any one let me know the email address of
Prof. Heikki Koivo  of tampere university of technology.
His address given to me is   Heikki.Koivo@tut.fi , which 
seems to be wrong.

Please send the reply to my mail account.


Thanks,

Reggie@itk.unit.no





Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hafting@Lise.Unit.NO (Helge Hafting)
Subject: Re: Swedes turned into Moslems
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Distribution: soc
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 13:17:33 GMT

I find it strange that anyone converts into another religion at all.
After all, if one is serios about religion, religion is something
one really believes in, it is not a matter of "choosing".
Perhaps people that convert arent really serious about religion, they just
convert because it is convenient?

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