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From: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Review: Severed Heads - Twister EP
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:31:45 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Al Crawford)
Organization: The University Of Edinburgh - Department Of Computer Science

In article <1992Sep1.174303.661@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>
> But Al, would you say that the CV's "Western Reworks" album was a large
> collection of pigs wearing badly fitting sheep hats?  Or possibly sheep being
> taught to grunt like pigs, with the Altern8 pig wearing the hat, plus wool,
> and the neon sign stating that in fact, this was a pig?

The basic problem here is that the tracks [reworked/remixed/utterly
destroyed] on _Technology - Western Reworks_ were in fact pigs in the first
place.  Perhaps the best analogy would be that they were geriatric pigs who
had decided to bring themselves up to date a bit by giving their greying
bristles a quick skoosh of hair dye, replacing their tweed caps with a
floppy rave hat and taking large amounts of ecstasy. If you've ever seen an
elderly pig that's been using Grecian 2000 wearing a floppy hat and
wandering around telling everybody that it loves them, all at 140BPM, it
doesn't come as a great surprise that "Western Reworks" turned out the way
it did.

As for the Altern8 pig...well, it certainly did have the large neon sign,
but there was no wool that I could see and only a very small version of the
hat that the original pig wore. An extremely small hat on an extremely
large pig beneath a rather bright and gaudy neon sign. Well, maybe not
*that* gaudy. Gratuitous and persistent use of those bloody sirens is only
Deadly Dance Track Sin #4 after all.

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Subject: bLAHbLAH bAMBALAM(was RE: Chris Connelly
From: aakhan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:47:15 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <1992Aug21.172959.12859@cirrus.com>, vjohm@cirrus.com (Valerie J. Ohm) writes:
> 
> Phenobarb Bambalam is  the correct title of the latter, it has *very*
> little in common with Fini Tribe (a thank you in the liner notes is
> about it...).  "Come Down Here" is a track off that album, I didn't know
> FT had anything to do with it, but considering that particular track is
> kinda-sorta pseudo-techno that actually uses a drum machine (the horror!

FC9.. i'vE bEEN oUTTA tOUCH fOR a lONG wHILE, wANT tO bUY bUT nOT sO sURE aBOUT
FC9.. zE "bLAHbLAH bAMBALAM".  cOULD yOU pLEASE pOST a pLAYBYPLAY oF sORTS oF  
FC9.. tHE sAID dISC.  iS iT aNYTHING lIKE tHE "WHIPLASH bOYCHILD"?

FC9.. cHRIS cAME tO lAWRENCE bUT i cOULDN'T gET oFF wORK eVEN wITH tHREATS oF 
FC9.. sUICIDE (sOB), cOULD sOMEoNE pLEASE sPRINKLE sOME sALT oVER mY gASHES aND
FC9.. dESCRIBE tHE sHOWS iN gENERAL fOR tHIS tOUR.
FC9.. mERCI

aN oFFERING oF lOVE 
fROM fLESH cHAMBER9
From: moon!cyberden!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: The Scene Sucks.. (Was somethin else)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 15:31:49 PDT

earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support) writes:

> Spoke to Don Bolles, erstwhile MARS 103.1 FM DJ, last night at the local
> noisefest featuring Zeni Geva and Crash Worship.
>
> [ stuff... ]
>
> MARS FM, 1991-1992
> R.I.P.
>
>    - Greg
>
> P.S. And FUCK radio program directors, radio "Consultants" et al., up the ass

man..... I found out about MARS demise about 3 weeks ago and I think L.A. can
now be nuked. Not because MARS was some godlike station. It was ok. Too much
whistle blowing at times, but Don and others really played some fucking great
shit at times. Better then KROQ, the SHIT of the 90's. (I'm not jepordizing any
future relations with KROQ am I, heavens forbid... (The can suck my ass)).

So KXLU seems to be the only thing left for Los Angeles and that's scary...

San Francisco, although the scene is a bit more alive on the radio, is beginning
to really become desensitized in the cyberdustrial / techno field. Sure there
are the 30 minute COMMERCIAL mixes to please the little people, and some
college stations have a few shows, but when I first moved up here, the clubs
and radio stations were thriving on the stuff... now, for some fucking reason,
the scene is not really dying, but is not really taken seriously anymore.

I've been busting my ass off trying to book Stereotaxic Device and Dive up here
along with us, and the club owners just aren't into the scene to allow for such
a show. Seems that the clubs that do have cyberdustrial shows either have
someone in the band working at the club (no offense meant Christian), or will
play for nothing.

Unfortunately, I can't offer the latter solution for Stereotaxic and Dive, as
it costs money to tour and no money is an insult. Sorry. But gas costs money
too. Fuck eating huh? :-)

Oh well, enough bitching...

Greg, tell 'yer wife that I'm still busting my balls for a show and that
hopefully, things will materialize.

(And it's strange that all the other 'Boonies' places that Stereotaxic are
playing go apeshit when they find out about them and Dive, so as George says)

Guess big cities have BIGGER budgets to feed. fuck...

<X>orcist

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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Third Eye
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus,world
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 05:17:39 GMT


In article <carol.714811619@ee.uts.EDU.AU>, carol@ee.uts.edu.au (Carol Gibson) writes:
|> pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:
|> >Satellite is a brilliant track). Does anyone know what releases
|> >they have, apart from the album, and the 12" of Pray and The Real
|> >Thing? Discog? I once saw them live, they were quite impressive,
|> >but strangely they didn't play their singles!!!
|> 
|> I've only got The Real Thing. When I requested it as an encore they
|> laughed at me :-/... but the show was great - they completely draped
|> the stage in colours, had 3 screens with computer graphics and lots 
|> to dance too.

Yeah - they make a point of not playing 'songs' as they are on the recordings 
but prefer to present a 'jam' of material they know.  Those who have seen Gary
Clail live will get the idea.  I would imagine the Orb would take the same 
attitude live too.

brian
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From: payne@ecf.toronto.edu (PAYNE DENISE JOYCE)
Subject: Re: Severed Heads - Twister EP
Keywords: Twister, Sevcom
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:33:48 GMT


 
Ok. Get this straight for me. Is it REAL GOOD Severed Heads like CLIFFORD
or is it like CUISINE, which is total shit?
 
(Just to prove I *AM* Justin's friend, let me say, with all this snot in
my nose, if you DON'T know what Clifford is and you think you're into
Severed Heads, go away. Less, I have a copy. More, if you know what
it is - where can I possible get even a TAPED copy of Eat-Roland and
the like?)
 
Remmeber - Cuisine is only so great cause of Piscatorial. Its about the only
CD I have which I bought for only 1/3 of the tracks. Piscatorial is OLD
SH tapes found in the vaults. They should have done a completely seperate
releas and renamed the new band to something else. Its crap compared to
the beauty of City Slab Horror and the like. Nettwerk did a good job
of rereleasing this with BLubberknife, though I had most of Blubberknife
on B sides of Eps and 12"s like Goodbye Tonsils and the like. (The video
to goodbye tonsils is pretty darn nifty too. :^)
 
And the samples to I STAND ON MY HEAD which are that and "All I've got is
75 Cents!" is from a childrens Hanna-Barberra Oz release of "McGilla Gorilla".
Way cool, compared to the new shit Tom's cranking out in his stunted age.
 
He's a dick in person tho, ask Ayse and Ejaz.
 
/kc
Ken P. Chasse
Industrial Semiotics Applicant
sizone!tom_is_a_runt@ee.ryerson.ca
via payne@ecf.toronto.edu
 (my obliqueness has nothing to do with her nose ring, etc.)
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From: tmcfarla@fraser.sfu.ca (Tara McFarlane)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Hafler Trio
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:05:43 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.industrial
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

so moolenbeek actually existed?                    
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: nm-list hosed? 
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:08:02 GMT

Anyone know what's up with nm-list? We had system and mail problems
last week and I haven't seen anything since. I thought the problem
was on my end, but after I sent something to the administrative
list and it bounced I realized the list home is at Univ. of Florida. 
So I guess the hurricane probably hit them hard...

It looks like reef.cis.ufl.edu is alive but brain dead. It says  
nm-list-request is an unknown user.

Anyone know if the list still lives and I'm just not getting it? If
the list is dead? Being revived? If there's any plans to maybe move
the list to another site temporarily? I feel like Dr. John Lilly just
locked me in a sensory deprivation tank.  

 - malcolm@wrs.com
From: keithd@versyss.com (Keith Doyle)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Factrix & Misc
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:34:56 GMT
Reply-To: keithd@versyss.UUCP (Keith Doyle)
Organization: VERSYSS Incorporated, Torrance, California


Anyone know whatever happened to Monte Cazzara and Factrix?
I remember buying Scheintot and a couple of other things on L.P,
(all the permutations of "kick that habit man") but have never
seen anything make it to CD.

Anyone seen any War World on CD?  Thomas DMuzio?
(howcum I haven't seen an RRR catalog lately?)

What releases on the Extreme label (besides Muslimgauze)
have been seen at large?  I've picked up several and
they've all been interesting, I'll make a list and
post it if there's any interest.

Similarly, what is available on Funfundverzig (besides
Sleep Chamber)?

Glad to hear that Dome has resurfaced on CD, and I
just found a new B.C.Gilbert CD that was pretty 
interesting as well.

Lessee, what else can I think of.  Hmm..  Well, this is
an obscure one I think, several years ago a friend of mine
caught on tape an interesting industrial piece on a local
fringe radio station, which I thought was pretty great,
but the (*#&%@ DJ never announced it.  It's unique in
one way though, there's a vocal track of some guy
saying "Apologize" at regular intervals and no other
vocals, so I expect that may be the name of the piece.
Can anyone identify it?  Coulda been a local demo that
never made it to disc tho.

Just bought the latest PGR - The Chemical Bride.  I like
it a lot.  Nice machine-ambience throughout which is
whats been working for me lately.


Keith
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Music to kill by
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:48:29 GMT

In article <92238.095942U38956@uicvm.uic.edu> <U38956@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Let's see, the music I would kill by. . .
>
>nitzerebb:
>Let Your Body Learn

    This would be a pretty funky murder scene.   (???)       K!z!K
From: rob@dexter.psych.umn.edu (Robert Stephens)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Cyberpunk Video
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:17:18 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Aug25.222907.15783@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, kar5@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (Kevin 'Rat' Roll) writes:
|> I was in a dance club in Seattle the other day and I saw this cool video
|> that I wonder if anyone can identify. It was some sort of cyberpunk war
|> thing, with lots of guys in shades running around and driving vehicles
|> every which way. The editing was very rapid-fire, with all sorts of 
|> messages flashing every which way. Anyone know what it is?
|> 
|> Also, anyone got lyrics to N.W.O. ?
|> 
|> 

-- 

The video you are probably referring to is for Front Line
Assembly, and the film is called GUNHED.  Using that info 
Which I received from here, I found thet a video store here
in Minneapolis has it (Intercontinental Video).  A friend and
I went to rent it, but the dude at the store handed us a video with
Japanese writing on it called "The Flying Wife". 

I'll post a review along with the Distributor's name after I watch
it.


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University of Minnesota
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From: bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew N. Sharp)
Subject: Re: ok i repent - NOT!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 03:45:22 GMT


ldt@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>LOVE the MUSIC, FUCK the ATTITUDE.


I think you know what I'm going to say.
-- 
Matthew Neill Sharp
bp271@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
From: moon!cyberden!flesh@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: ministry on mtv
Keywords: boring
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:17:44 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Since we're on the subject, anyone want to guess how long NWO will 
continue to air, before they yank it off of MTV? 


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From: tamrar@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Tamra Ross)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Young Gods
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:59:57 GMT
Organization: The Nucleus 16 Lines 403-531-9353 -CNet Amiga-

I was just wondering if anyone out there knows anything about a Swiss band
called The Young Gods.  I saw their video on Much Music (Soundgarden requested
it) for a song called Skin Flower.  I liked it so much I ordered the CD single,
but the single comes with 4 versions of Skin Flower, so I still don't know what
the restof their stuff it like.  I know the song is off a record called TV
Sky.. does anyone have this, or know if their other music is at all similar to
Skin Flower?

                                                Tamra
From: moon!cyberden!xorcist@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Ministry vocals
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:42:47 GMT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

drx@chinet.chi.il.us (Scott Whittle) writes:

> In article <1992Aug24.011626.13453@ultb.isc.rit.edu> cms2839@ultb.isc.rit.edu
>
> <stuff about Al gets his vocals to sound like they do>
>
> How Al really does it is through a device known as "Fluffys' patened
> distortion machine." What this consists of a couple or more compressors.
> <more more more>

Actually, sounds more like a $6 Mr. Microphone through an AM radio...

...Simple! Yet, Effective...  and SOOOO economical without embarrasing
water spots... or smell...

<X>

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From: William.Brown@bbs.oit.unc.edu (William Brown)
Subject: MIND/BODY CDs?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:32:49 GMT


Hello-

Before I left for the summer there was talk of a CD set to be relleased 
containing tracks from members of this newsgroup.  Was it Produced?  Is it
any good?  Who do Ii contact about a copy? Thanks.
-Bill
William.Brown@oit.bbs.unc.edu

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Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 00:24:19 CDT
From: David James Alexander Hanley <U55870@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: laughing in "Faith Collapsing"
 <AeaLnXe00awCILzkZT@andrew.cmu.edu>

In article <AeaLnXe00awCILzkZT@andrew.cmu.edu>, jscw+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jamieson
Edward Schulte) says:
>
>> In Ministry's TMITTT, what is the sources for the sampled laughing in
>> the song Faith Collapsing?
>
>Most of the other samples seem to be from '1984'

  Really?  Some of them sound like they could have been taken directly out of
farenheit 451.  Although I haven't seen the film, it follows the book pretty
closely, and it fits the idea of the song.  But, so does 1984 for that metter.

dave
From: ego@etek.chalmers.se (Magnus Wennstroem)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Info on The Overlords requested
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:41:51 GMT
Reply-To: ego@etek.chalmers.se
Followup-To: rec.music.industrial
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden

Techno Trax vol's 2 and 3 feature songs by a group called The Overlords.
Obviously, they are not a techno band. A friend of mine said he heard
somewhere that they are Danish, but he wasn't sure about that.

Now, as the subject says, if anyone has any information about
The Overlords such as a discography and/or where they are from, please
email me personally or post it to the net - more people than me might be
interested.

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From: jondr@sco.COM (Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: new Meat Beat Manifesto single
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:15:26 GMT
Reply-To: jondr@sco.COM

MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO - Edge Of No Control (Mute Records 66375-2 USA 1992)

	Edge Of No Control		4:21
	orbital remix			6:11
	consolidated remix		4:48
	The Circular Cosmic Spot	2:58
	DJ Interruptus			3:08
	Original Control (version 3)	3:16

Starting off with two very appropriate lines of dialogue from Dark
Star ("What is your one purpose in life?" "To explode, of course!"),
this one kicks hard.  Music is like old Public Enemy with lots of
distortion and grunge.  Jack's rap is pretty much business as usual.
On the hardness scale, this one is in between 99% and Storm The
Studio.

The Orbital remix is pretty boring, but I really don't like Orbital,
so take that into consideration.  The Consolidated mix is good but not
that different from the original.

"Circular Cosmic Spot" just sort of runs in circles for three minutes.
Pleasant and inoffensive.

"DJ Interruptus" is an entirely different matter - it moves from white
noise into a slow dub groove with lots of scratching and drop ins of
random reggae records.  Really trippy and cool.

"Original Control" is pretty fast, funky and features some choppy
organ.  Jack sounds quite weird through a vocoder.

I like this single, but I have to because Meat Beat Manifesto embody
perfection and therefore anything they do is incredibly wonderful just
by definition.  I don't think they've ever done anything that I
haven't liked.  Edge Of No Control is quite motivating and makes me
want to jump around like a frog on speed.  I think even the fans of
harder MBM won't be disappointed.

Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
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From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Negativland CDs
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:43:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bu0ECn.444
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Originator: btc30679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

Mark.Cornick@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Mark Cornick) writes:

>As far as I know, the first three albums (the ones you're looking for)
>aren't available on CD. They were issued by Seeland, not SST. I could be
>wrong, but I've never seen any of these three on CD.

I have seen all three (10-8, points, negativland) on CD, and own two
of the three on CD.

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
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From: vjohm@cirrus.com (Valerie J. Ohm)
Subject: Re: Pigface(nin too)
Reply-To: valerie@athena.mit.edu
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.  Fremont, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:22:57 GMT

In article <l9an07INNji4@news.bbn.com> hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.195456.6012@sbcs.sunysb.edu>  
>mepstein@csws15.ic.sunysb.edu (Not On Our Customer File) writes:
>> I am also looking for any NIN song not from PHM,Sin,HLAH,DII
>> What is the name of the album that suck was originally on?
>
>I didn't think "Suck" predated Gub.. am I wrong?

You are correct.  "Suck" was written for the Pigface project.  Note the
songwriting credits.

-valerie




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From: vijaypai@owlnet.rice.edu (Vijay Sadananda Pai)
Subject: Futile Quest: looking for Nitzer Ebb lyrics
Keywords: NEP
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:57:42 GMT

Is there anybody out there who knows where I could get lyrics to Nitzer Ebb music --
the only stuff they've got at ftp.uwp.edu is from _ebbhead_, and those lyrics come
with the CD anyway.

Has anyone written to the NEP contact address they give with their albums? If so,
does this seem like a good place to try?

Thanks!


-- Vijay Pai

"You better be careful out there
You ain't gonna get far
We're gonna pluck you out!" -- Nitzer Ebb, "Lightning Man"
From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: for the FAQ: what's industrial
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:24:20 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <715501825.1@selene.FidoNet.Org> Daryn.Belden@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Daryn Belden) writes:
>Previously, from "OS-9 User Group"
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>You are industrial if you have peed inside a girl.  If you are a girl, 
>then you are industrial if you have peed on a guy when he is in you.
>If all you have ever done is pissed yourself while jerking off, then
>you're ok -- but technically, you aren't really industrial.
> 
>If you haven't done any of these things, you can't really say that
>you are industrial.  Plain and simple.
> 
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        You can still be "industrial" if, while drunk, you drink someone else's
pee while standing on thumbtacks.  But you have to do it in front of an
audience, and when people tell you how stupid and attention-starved you are,
you must respond that you are the product of a very sick society.


-- 
John Davison
davisonj@ecn.purdue.edu