HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Mr. Maudoodi,Islamic State and Constitution
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:31:01 GMT
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York

>From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
>Subject: Re: Islamic Law and Constitution
>
>Maudoodi quotes a hadith from Bukhari to the effect that
>the Prophet said that any state that entrusts its affairs to
>women will be in trouble.
>

Are You serious?

> [regarding non-muslims cannot serve in Islamic country's army]
>
>It may not be relevant anymore to wars today -- but defense
                                                    ^^^^^^^^
>of one's country (used to mean) = defence of one's home and family --
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>which is more basic than ANY ideology. It is a restriction on
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>people not to let them contribute their blood and life to the
>defence of the country. It makes them less than full citizens.

You are absolutely right here.	
 Wonderful argument!! 
The land gives sense of patriotism, not the religion.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamal@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jamal Mubarak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: I CHALLENGE you to refute this!!!!
Date: 3 Apr 92 13:28:11 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Apr3.083305.26316@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
>Mr. Jamal Mubarik and Son of Woman are long trying to avoid this article.
>I have mailed Mr. Mubarik a copy of this, and have posted this article about
>2,3 times on the net. No body tried to refute it evnthough I challenged
                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mr Noor I am seriously getting worried about you.

>YOU HAVE TO COMEUP WITH A REASONABLE AND ACCEPTTABLE ANSWER/REFUTATION!!!
>
>Article follows......

My reply follows.  Can you please reply to it?

Jamal [thinking hard] Mubarak


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From caen!subroc.engin.umich.edu!jamal Mon Mar 30 03:36:42 EST 1992
Article: 18388 of soc.culture.pakistan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamal@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jamal Mubarak)
Subject: Re: AHMADIYYAT: ** Khtam ** (Attn: Mr. Mubarak)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 92 03:35:01 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Mar30.002742.2152@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
>
>Dear Mr. Jamal Mubarak, 
>So you weren't able to find any of my references. But you see that merely not
>being able to reach the book quoted as reference does not imply that references
>was wrong.

Ah! Of course!  And why can't you even supply me with the full names of the
authors?

>Any way, instead of debating with help of these modern world dictionaries and
>books which you are unable to reach to...how about discussing word Khatam in
>light of *real* rules of Arabic language!

Ah!  I get it!  Dictionaries should not be used to find word meanings!  They
don't give the whole truth!

>It is an established and unchangeable rule of Arabic language that when the
>word "Khatam" is used in praise of a person along with a combining word 
>(Muzaf-eleh) as a group of talented people, this does not mean and will never
>mean that the person called Khatam is the last or final to appear in respect of

Get this through your thick head Mr Noor, it *does* mean last.  Why else
would 19 dictionaries attest to that?  Can you answer this question?  Are
these scholars of Arabic lying?  Or are you lying?

>Islamic literature abounds in such examples:
>1. 'Khatam-Shura' does not mean final poet but means top most of poet.
>2. 'Khatam-Muhadaseen' means best reporter and not the final reporter.
>3. 'Khatam-aulyya'-friend of God and could not at all mean last friend of God.
>4. 'Khatam-Mualameen' means best teacher and not the last or final teacher.

If it "abounds" in such usage why is it not found in a dictionary?  Can you
give me *one* reference I can verify, of a dictionary or a book of Arabic
grammar, that agrees with your interpretation of the word?  Give me *one*
good reason why I should believe you.  What you say is not supported by
any book I can find.

>Mr. Mubarak, I have tried my best not to bring in any reference that is
>"inaccessible" to you. If you still don't agree----what can I say?

And indeed you have not brought even a *single* reference that *is*
accessible to me.  What can I say?

The *entire* Ahmedi faith collapses like a house of cards if the meaning
of this crucial word is not what you claim it is.  I am supposed to have
missed out on something major in my religion because I have not accepted
the Mirza as my messiah but you can't give me *one* good reason for bel-
ieving that.  Isn't that strange, Mr Noor?

>Regards
>Nasir Ahmed Noor
>umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca
>
>(refernces: articles by Dr. A. R. Bhutta  &  Al Haj M.O. Abdus-Salam)
                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ahmedis, I presume.  And I am supposed to swallow what they say without
even using my mind, right?

Jamal [banging his head against a stone wall] Mubarak
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Re: Open Letter To ALL Debators (*THE* Muslims!!)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:27:11 GMT

umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:


>Asslam-o-Alaikum (to those who want to take it).

>It's been about 2 months sinse this new session of Debate started. 
>A carefull study of the debate and all articles would yield a rather
>curious phenomenon. I write here my observation for your information:

>This is how the debate is going:
>I painstakingly come up with arguments in my defence will all the 
>appropriate references and what you gentlemen do is just leisurly
>reject every thing with one line (words may change but meaning stays the
>same) and that is
>   "this Hadith is most probably corrupted" or
>   "this is not what God wanted to say" or
>    you do not agree with my interpretation.
>Rather surprisingly, NO ONE comes up with a counter argument or CORRECT
>hadith to convince me.

>A couple of days ago, a gentelman posted two articles by Maulana Maududi.
>I kept searchng in both articles for any valid reference. (From
>Hadith or Quran).

>This is now my *call*. I challenge you all to give me Hadith or
>Quranic Ayya that proves me false in my beliefs and proves Hazrat
>Ahmad false in his claim.

>Here are the rules....SET BY YOU FELLOWS:

>I wont accept any Hadith not considered reliable unanimously and not
>listed in Sahih Bukhari or Sahi Muslim. If you guys enter such Hadiths
>not listed in these two books or are not considered 100% valid and 
>corruption free, I will be also allowed to enter such.

>LETs see whats the basis of your claim that Hazrat Ahmad was an imposter
>(Nau-zo-billah).

>Very Best Regards and Good Luck,
>Nasir Ahmed Noor
>umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca

assalam alaikum

take it easy guy
enjoy life while it is
and your favorite "Lanat ulla ul Kazibeen", once more Lanat ulla ul Kazibeen
if you want to hear in Punjabi then .......can't say it anymore
in German it wud be worse
of course Pashto wud top it all
it seems you believe this one line wud be more effective in Arabic, but
you are wrong dear just ask some Afridi there then you can convey it to
me and it will be more effective, guarenteed!!!

and i did read all of what you have written!!!

khuda hafiz
very best regards and good luck
darling to none love for all

Murad [life is just like a bubble] Mirza.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:6359 soc.culture.bangladesh:2352 soc.culture.indian:14141
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Yet more excerpts
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:14:46 GMT
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Re: Kuram T. Narayana's statement that he is a religion-blind
nationalist -- then perhaps all we disagree upon is the cause
of communal problems in India.

About the Hindu-Muslim dialogue: my readings have led me to
believe that the Nehru-Jinnah relations were but a slightly
more dignified version of the dialogue we've seen on the net
this far.

As far as Siddiqui's essay goes (who is one of a million or
so Indians in West Asia): a reasonable response in my opinion,
would be to point out that communal riots kill of the order
of a thousand people and injure perhaps ten times that number,
nationwide. Consider that a district in India has a typical
population of a million. Then the people involved in actual
fighting is about 1% of the population of the district. So,
in terms of the billion souls in India, its not fair to lump
them in the communally-crazed category.

Where does the problem then lie ? The communal riots vitiate
the atmosphere, and merely serve to reinforce the great psycho-
logical divide between Hindu and Muslim (that led up to the
Partition, as well.)

Also, the governments, local, state and central, rarely
administer justice in the aftermath of the riots. Inquiries
are held, and the reports are mostly buried, rarely acted
upon, and rarely are the true facts made public. The guilty
usually go scot-free. Insofar as the `Hindu communal organizations'
are not, and have not been in power at the govt., they cannot
be held responsible for this lapse in administration.

That the failure to administer justice is becoming a sore point
with other Indian minorities, is evident from the Sikh alienation
resulting from the culprits of the New Delhi riots in 1984 (after
Mrs. Gandhi's assassination) not being brought to trial.

Culpable, therefore, are the politicians that have held
power for most of independent India's existence, and not
the so-called communal organizations.

***

There, it seems I have to argue both sides of the issue.
The next essay that I'll post will address some of the
arguments above.
***
arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:6563 soc.culture.bangladesh:2447 soc.culture.indian:14481
From: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Qadiyani's and Pak Consulate
Keywords: Ahmaiyya Islam
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:24:53 GMT
Reply-To: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Organization: Colorado State U. Center for Computer Assisted Engineering.

In article <Apr.11.16.28.01.1992.5428@andromeda.rutgers.edu>,
hassan@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Eagle Squad) writes:
> 
> 	I had to get my passport renewed at the New York Embassy.
> 	To get it done they made me fill out a form "s".  It contained 
> 	the following lines ;
> 
> 	"...I believe that prophet Muhammad was the last messenger and
> 	will not accept any recent claims to prophet hood by anyone.  I
> 	aslo firmly believe that neither Ahmedi`s nor Qadiyani`s are 
> 	muslims....."
> 
> 	Having little knowledge about the Ahmedi`s and the Qadiyani`s
> 	I am not in a postion to say much, but the Pakistani Govt does
> 	NOT regard them as muslims.  Therefore I DO NOT regard them as 
> 	muslims.
> 
> 
> E.G.



Dear Mr. E.S:

Assalamo Alaikam:


If you have less knowledge about Ahmadi Muslims, then don't pass
judgements. Get some knowledge and prove them to be non-muslims. The
Pakistani Govt is no authority. The Pakistani Govt has no right what so
ever to call any body non-muslims. Only Allah knows who is muslim and
who is not. The stuff included in the passport form is non-sence. It is
a shame for the Pakistani Govt to do that.

May Allah save Pakistan from these Mullahs.



Sincerely,





	
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        "Is Not Allah Sufficient for His man?" :Quran         |  o    o  |
        Nabeel Ahmad Rana, (LOVE FOR ALL : HATRED FOR NONE)   |    /\    |
        April 16, 1992.                                       |  \____/  |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Women and Burqa: Analyzing the recent discussion
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 19:57:17 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <ku926bINN6sp@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:

>I think this is the right time to explain the way such problems
>are approached in Islam:
>First Islamic proofs ("nuqli dallail") are sought.
>	1: A given hypothesis is confirmed or refuted through Quran
>	2: Further substantiations of the position are then
>		obtained through Hadith, if (1) remains ambiguous.
>Then scholors resort to using their own intelligence:
>	3: To further substantiate the position obtained 
>	   from (1) and (2), a scholor tries to use his own
>	   reasoning and intellectual abilities to find
>           confirmations.

In the above, #1 and #2 as the basis of a proof are possible only for 
those who believe in the Truth and absoluteness of the Quran and 
the hadeeth. For the non-Muslims, #3 is the only argument - and you
propose to keep devising a new #3 every time the old #3 becomes
discrepent, obsolete or out of fashion. 

You sure can do it, but then the issue becomes of justifiability of
the proposition according to time and place, and not at all of the
claimed universality and timelessness of the proposition.


---raj
From: jamal@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jamal Mubarak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re:  A little fact I want you to know (Son of Woman)
Date: 3 Apr 92 13:34:59 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Apr3.080532.25238@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
>
>way to play according to your rules; the references were inaccesible
>so I changed em, the interpretation given were inacceptable so I changed
>them and lastly I produced and article which does not bring any references

Are you trying to say that you are going to give me an interpretation of
a word for which no reference exists, and I should believe you?  Are you
some prophet or what?

>Regards
>Nasir Ahmed Noor
>umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca

Jamal [getting more worried] Mubarak
From: ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: test
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:30:09 GMT
Distribution: ny
Organization: Polytechnic University, New York


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From: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: CONTROVERSY KHATAM
Keywords: Ahmadiyya Islam
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:46:29 GMT
Reply-To: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University


In article <mirza.703113165@pegasus.sce.carleton.ca>,
mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:
> assalam alaikum
> 
> since QDs interpret Khatam as "START" therefore controversy khatam!
immpossible,
> unless *@#$$!*&^%$#.
> 
> anyway, lets look at the real!real! story behind khatam.
> 
> KHATAM?!!!
> 
> MIRZA as a kid liked half-boiled eggs, when one egg was finished he used to
> look at his mom and say KHATAM and his cute little face became a ?, poor
> mother said 'Nahin Baita' and brought him one more half-boiled egg.
> 
> (Only the British knew this story), MIRZA's relatives and friends only
> used to hear this word KHATAM and used to see a ? on his cute face.
> 
> As the time went on his love for one more half-boiled egg became an
obsession,
> and his face a permanent ?.
> 
> On his deathbad what MIRZA had in mind was one more half-boiled egg as
he said
> KHATAM! the people looking on saw the ? the British saw their chance (as they
> knew the original story) and told the people that KHATAM did not mean what it
> means but it mean't what it did not mean.
> 
> So, the SadaLoh (simple minded) people got totally inverted by what is
not meantby meaning of KHATAM, and started following the simple
explanation of Brits.
> 
> Instead of a wreath, therefore, please place a half-boiled egg at the
head-stonewhenever you get a chance to visit MIRZA's gravesite.
> 
> from MIRZA's personal cute little diary.



All you have written is garbage. Learn to respect other peoples
religion. Don't try to mock at other's beliefs. Every thing above is
false. It is all lie. All I can say is:

La-Na-Tullah Hie Kazabeen
May the curse of Allah be on the Liars!


Sincerly,



	
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        Nabeel Ahmad Rana, (LOVE FOR ALL : HATRED FOR NONE)   |    /\    |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Re: A note on Khaatem
Organization: Carleton University
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:11:52 GMT

ahussain@prism.poly.edu (Arshad Hussain) writes:

>>From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
>>Subject: Re: WHY ARGUE ON KHATAM AL NABAYYIN ?
>>
>>    Second, we agree that
>>Jesus Christ (son of) Mary Imran will appear later. We agree that he won't
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^
>>change/modify anything of Islam, so he won't bear new law. 

>Is we = Nabeel + Ghuzlaan?

   When I say, "we" I mean Muslims, when I say, "I" I mean 
Nabeel Ghuzlaan Inc.

>Don't expect God to give life to dead person(e.g, Jesus, Khider)
>before the day of Judgement. 

   I do not know for sure that Jesus is dead, and when Muhammad says
Jesus is coming back, I ask for your permission to believe him and not
to believe you. Thanks in advance for granting the permission.

>> I want to draw the attention to the
>>Hadith, "You are to me like Aaron to Moses, but there will be no prophets
>>after me."

>Please tell me WHOM Holy Prophet is addressing in above hadith.
>If he is addressing Jesus, then Jesus was 550 years older than him.
>No point of bringing this hadith here.
>There will be no prophet after Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad( including
>Jesus). He is FINAL prophet. Period.

   You seem very ignorant (although you are not :-)). This Hadith addressed
Ali (raa). It is in Sahih Muslim and Bukhari and all other Hadith books.

>> Aaron died before Moses as all historians agree, so why did the
>>Prophet say there would be no prophets after him in that CONTEXT? Because
>>Aaron was sent after Moses in answer of his request, "I am weak and have a
>>problem with my tongue so send my brother with me."

>Did Holy Prophet have any physical/political weakeness?
>Of course not.
>He brought the complete BOOK.
>Quran is our guide after death of Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH).

   Yes, sure.

>For God sake think about it.

   Since I have a brain, it does not take me an eternity to think about it --
I did.

>   Does this obliterate your victory? I hope so, good luck.

**Nabeel
From: ifau172@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: PAKISTAN - WORLD CHAMPIONS
Date: 25 Mar 92 22:17:07 GMT
Reply-To: ifau172@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: ifau172@minnie.cc.utexas.edu

Congrats to Pakistani team and all Pakistani supporters on winning the 
World Cup.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: An Excellent/Informative Article (Re: Ottoman Empire)
Keywords: ottoman empire
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 20:26:51 GMT

assalam alaikum 

The following is a very detailed description/history of the Ottoman rule.  I
find it very informative for purposes of getting an insight into the events
leading to the current structure of Europe, especially countries near Turkey
and the peoples of those countries. A general historical perspective on the 
muslims living in countries like Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Romania, Albania, and 
USSR (now CIS - Computer and Info. Science, as I call it) can be established.

Murat [partly Turk] Mirza.

ref: cunews soc.culture.turkish:15764 talk.politics.mideast:48363 talk.politics.soviet:11953 soc.culture.soviet:5654 soc.culture.greek:8198 soc.culture.europe:8064 soc.culture.german:9459
From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: Have you driven a Floyd,lately?
Summary: Floyd'ian blues! Jump the bandwagon.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.40    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.063905.24691@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, msaeed@isis.cs.du.edu (Sajid Saeed (Floyd? Nah!!!)) writes...
>Interesting discussion we havin' at Pink Floyd's expense! Anyone else care to
>join, or is it just me and...
> 
>				sajid [Sniper at the gates of Pasadena!] Saeed
					Which gate, may I ask ? ;)
	
			
THE CASTLE FIFE
Pasadena, California 
___________________________________________________________________________
Asim M Mughal				
"I can't remember anything...
  can't even tell if its true or dream... " 
			- Metallica
[Standard Disclaimer]

Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:6290 soc.religion.islam:892
From: nadeem@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Nadeem Hussain)
Subject: Re: SCARY THOUGHT
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:05:59 GMT

hashim@caen.engin.umich.edu (khurshid n hashim) writes:

>I remember reading a play by Albert Camus (I think) about

>a man and two women locked in a room without any means of

>escape.  They end up making each other utterly miserable.

>The play was supposed to be the writer's vision of hell.
From: ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: baser instincts and religion
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:23:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr16.112351.20490
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison

In article <1992Apr16.050813.23464@leland.Stanford.EDU> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>
>My dear felow brothers,
>a few weeks ago i saw this disgusting and dirty movie called baser instincts.
>
>tooba tooba tooba , may god have pity on these people. The movie has no story 
>
>and is only about sex and sex nothing else. No wonder american society is 

...[deleted]...

	I was planning to see that movie on sunday, but reading this,
	I think I'll go on friday!

						--ali.

-- 
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* Ali Hasan			Computer Aided Engineering	     *
* ahasan@cae.wisc.edu		UW-Madison.			     *
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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 05:11:17 EDT
From: Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Jamaat Tableegh: Some Clarifications

Salam Alaikum :

         I fully agree what you wrote.  When I wrote on the net that Indian mus
lims are taking rest under mushrikeen, many people became angry and particularl
y Indian hindu because they are against jihad.  But the real problem started wh
en the muslims started clapping with them.

          'Ye nadan gir paray sajdey main jab waqte qiyam aiya'

         In your superb posting you mentioned this issue ( I received many e-ma
ils on the freedom and jihad of Indian muslims) and I would like to request you
to please elaborate this issue on lines of the teachings of Holy Quran.  This i
s our duty to remind our brothers 'ke kiya kerne ka kam hai'.  Could you please
elaborate this issue sir ?  your brother 'Mahfooz A. Jafry.  Salam Alaikum.