HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron)
Subject: Re: question Re: >>>>>>  ANNOUNCEMENT  <<<<<< (weekend repost)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:55:23 GMT

In article <141193@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.033929.25283@msc.cornell.edu> xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) writes:
>->From article <PWU.92Nov10190922@espresso.ai.mit.edu>, by pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu):
>->>     From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
>->>     I have a question about finger record.  Do people really have to
>->>     ask owner's permission to look at one's finger file?  What is 
>->>     the purpose of having such thing on the net?  Who have the right
>->>     to look at the file beside operators of the network?
>->> 
>->> Whatever finger returns is for public consumption.  Don't pass your love
>->> letters through finger if you do not intend for the whole world to see.
>->
>->
>->I don't want to waste our netters' time by repeating what I have said 
>->more than twice, but I found I have to repeat it here again: 
>->
>->What Peng Wu said above is absolutely correct.  You can put whatever you 
>->like in your finger record, being aware that everybody everywhere could 
>->see it anytime.  But, nobody else has the right to distribute it, either 
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>->as a whole or in part, publically without your permission.  Ask people 
>->around if you are still not sure.
>->
>->Excuse my repeat here, netters with high perception.  I hope this is my 
>->last time!  Take it easy.
>->-- 
>
>Well, I am not sure about whether he has the right to publicize your
>finger record or not, but the first impression I got when I saw what
>he did is that he was at least very rude, and moreover, he was showing
>weakness when he resolved to such low tactics.
>
>--
>Terry Cheung
>tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov

He probably has the right to publicize your finger record.
The reasoning is as follows:

Since the finger record is public information, this is the 
same thing as painting a sign with your name etc. and 
standing in a public area holding the sign up for all
to see.  Now since you are in a public area with the
sign, a photographer can take your picture with that
sign and then print that picture on a magazine without
asking for your permission.
From: wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:33:28 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

In article <1992Nov08.153035.261567@sue.cc.uregina.ca>, yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan) writes:
> In article <BxBtuq.E46@nic.umass.edu> s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203) writes:
>>In article <BxBKIG.8rH@acsu.buffalo.edu> ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei) writes:
>>>
>>>I just read the current Chinese Magazine (CND-CM) cm9210z.  There is only one
>>>long article about the bloody Halloween last year at University of Iowa.  It is
>>>a very worthy article.
>>>
>>>It was the first time I know so many details about the event.  If you havn't
>>>seen it yet, you'd better get the CND-CM to read it.
>>>
>>
>>After going through the report, a questin arose: how did the author know
>>what Lu Gang did and thought at given time and place? Maybe the author
>>should clarify this.
> 
> I can hardly support this request. I think the major purpose of the report is
> to expose the reasons behind the killings. The author certainly has no
> way to know EXACTLY what Lu was doing and thinking at a specific time,
> but it is justified for the author to project the incident without too
                                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> much distortion since the report will be dry and boring if the incident is
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How do you know that???

I suggest that you read my previous post or ask CND to send you a full copy of 
our letter.   Please note:  ALL chinese students metioned in Mr. Liu's article
agree the content of this letter.


> not photographed at an interesting angle.
> 
> Yongfei Yan
>>
>>

Feng, Wei
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
The Univ. of Iowa

> 
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: GATT&MFN and puzzling American policy
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:45:50 GMT

In article <92316.152340SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> The problem of China and Chinese is too many people want to be the
> leader of the state, of the nation, even the world, since they
> believe they know the philosophy of universe.

Just repost. I like it.
While we enjoy "Bu4 Shuo2 Bai2 Bu4 Shou2".
We have to afford "Shuo2 le Ye3 Bai2 Shou2".
From: xhe@metz.une.edu.au (MR X HE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Asia Cup(soccer)
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:44:38 GMT


Has China been qualified (or lost the chance) to semifinal?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jsxie@eng.umd.edu (Jingshong Xie)
Subject: MFN & GATT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:00:13 GMT

If my memory serves,China "regain" her membership in GATT,which I was told 
would automatically guarantee China the MFN status when trades with USA.

Any more information?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject:  a joke
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:22:49 GMT

If you like America-bashing jokes, here is one:

It is impossible to underestimate American voters' intelligence.

:-)

H. Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Anniversary of the Halloween's Tragedy
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:34:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

>>What evidence is there to discredit the content in 
>>Liu Yujian's article about Lu Gang?
>>I do not personally agree to Lu's behaviour, and my 
>>impression is that he is not at all popular among his
>>peers, but how do I know which side to believe(you or Liu's)  ? 
> 
> I would say `some of his peers', would you?

You are right about that part.  However, even Lu Gang's personal friend(s)
agree(s) the content of our letter.

> 
>>
>>There must have been a terrible conflict in Lu's mind, and
>>there ought to be an explanation to account for that.
>>
>>> 
>>> Personally,  I am angry since most of my words quated (either with or without
>>> my name on) were made out of nowhere.  Mr Liu simply fake them up.
>>
>>
>>The task of a novelist is different from that of a journalist,
>>he only writes to potray or reflect the scene, not to record
>>every single fragments of details. Hence, though
>>inaccruacies are not desirable, they must be tolerated.
> 
> I second.

The problem is:  Mr. Liu's article is NOT a novel.

Feng, Wei
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
The Univ. of Iowa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu)
Subject: Re: I stand by myself. :) Re: I stand by CSSFA. 
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:11:31 GMT

I just have a thought by reading the arguement.  The president of
US can represent the Americans since the Americans are US citizens
and the government of P.R.China always represent China.  But the 
president of IFCSS cannot represent the 50k or 80k Chinese students
in US since many are not members.  Many of my friends from PRC and I
are not members of the css or IFCSS since we did not pay the fee.  If
I want to go to the local css parties, I have to pay a fee but the members
are free.  But I can get the css net.  So could the IFCSS calculate how
many memebers they have and represent them rather than all 50k people?

H
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From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: FWD for Mr. H. Anonymous - Learn from Geshu (VII)
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:31:50 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

This is the part 7 of Mr. H. Anonymous' article.

=======================================================================
  Re: Learn from Geshu (VII)

This note is for our dear poet TuYa:

TuYa:  I'm certainly much impressed by your coming up with the question 
on "Cheng ChangFeng Po Wan Li Lang", as I have always been by your other 
good writings.  Your mind is so quick to leap from Li Bai's 
"Hao4Da4Xi3Gong1" to his verse 

 Chang1 Feng1 Po4 Lang4 Hui4 You3 Shi2 ...

I know you're only pretending.  Nevertheless, let me say this Dian3Gu4 is 
related to a general named Zong Que4.  The best known reference to him
is found in Wang Bo's TengWangGeXu:

 Wu Lu Qing Ying,  Deng Zhong Jun Zhi Ruo Guan
 You Huai Tou Bi,  Mu Zong Que Zhi Chang Feng 

Zong1 Que4 was a Nanyang (in what is Henan Province) man born to a family 
of Confucian scholars.  He had little patience for scholarship, but had
wanted to be a military man.  His chance came when the King of Linyi
in what is now Indo-China took up arms against the Liu-Song Dynasty.  Zong
Que led the campaign against Fan Yang2-Mai4, the King of Linyi.  Fan
mobilized his entire Kingdom and raised an army equipped with an
elephant corps.  Zong Que defeated him in the 23rd year of (Song Wen-di's)
YuanJia(446) by means of superior tactics, involving the skillful 
use of fake tigers which terrified the hapless elephants.  Zong Que's most 
quoted words are of course:

	Yuan4 Cheng Chang Feng Po Wan Li Lang.

Your other "questions" are also interesting.  But I have to say the
best answer I see so far is the one giving "JinWu" to Lin Feng-Jiao, 
once my favorite Taiwanese actress (in _Xiao3Cheng2 Gu4Shi4_).  
Though I admit my preference might have been influenced by the 
typical Southern China "small town" scenes in that movie so endearing 
and familiar to me, which you TuYa the Bei3Fang1Lai2de Wu1Ya1 (with 
perhaps some southern blood) may not share...

Anyway, I don't know whether we are qualified for being Zhi1Yin1 this 
way.    But at least I know you would Shang3 Lian3 whenever I refer 
some Zhi2Mi2Bu4Wu4, despite my Ku3Kou3Po2Xin1, people to you for 
tutoring on poetry.  Wouldn't you?

Finally, in view of someone's nearly pathological obsession with
the notion "juxtaposition", I would further Dou3Dan3 suggest to you
TuYa the topic of Lesson #1:

  He2(combine) Zhang3(palm),

i.e., the reason why our dear Lin2 Mei4mei criticized one of
our equally endearing Shi3 XiangYun's mid-autumn verses in _The
Red Chamber_.

(Geshu series to be continued)
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From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: E-mail to China
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:03:14 GMT
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu

From article <1dmnbeINN74f@champ.ksu.ksu.edu>, by wwxiong@champ.ksu.ksu.edu (Weize Wade Xiong):
> 
> I heard that some company from the States used some donation money connected
> BeiJing to the Internet. But the acesse is limited to in Beijing 
> University and some unkown places. It will be in operation May next year.
> This imfo is not very relialbe. 
> I think you may want to ask internet managment about this.
> Thanks.

I know there have been email connections between some related dept/school 
and the National Bureau of Statistics in Beijing since at least a year ago. 
But I am sure the resource is limited to few people there.  So forget it at 
the moment!
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: math1pf@rosie.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:46:00 GMT

In article <PI.92Nov10193643@spica.bu.edu>, pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD) writes...
> 
>* Many of your examples are "manners", no matter whether they are
>  culture-related, or individuals' SPECIAL. People may like or dislike
>  those manners. But my examples, as you called "bus manner" and
>  "street manner", are morally related. Do you think those finds of
>  behvior are wrong, or you just do not like them? Can you say: "The
>  'bus manner' is right, but I don't like it."?

No,I won't say it is right.
But I don't think it is immoral either,the word which I think should be
used to more serious wrong doings,like cheating,stealing etc..
I remember in your original post,you even made your conclusion from these 
"manners"if I may call it,that most Chinese are immoral in their soul(this
is my own interpretation of your post,correct me if I am wrong).I think
that's too much. 

Besides,here in the U.S. I haven't seen any Chinese cutting into lines for
a bus or dump dirts on the street.Right? Folks ?  Or maybe that's the case
for big cities or old Chinatowns ?












Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Carl__@nwu.edu 
Subject: Re: china's economic struct..
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:14:53 GMT

In article <199210.4298.37697@dosgate> "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>  
writes:
> The evils of the 20th Century, Communism and Nazism has many things in
> common, one of the most obvious one, is their lack of respect to human
> life! Another is their ease at use the end to justify their means.
> 
> As the human race is approaching the end of the 20th century, the death
> of Communism and Nazism is inevitable development of history, your above
> view can only be deemed as the dying hiss of those two evils.
> 

That's why when a person applies an entry visa to the US, he will be asked  
whether or not he is a communist or Nazi member. I wonder what people like  
Shannon Yeh filled out in the form when they are asked such question. I know a  
lot of communist party members blindly deny that they are CCP members. I wonder  
if this can also be regarded as "cheating", which, "honest" people like Shannon  
Yeh hate most.

Carl
From: newcomer@alsys1.aecom.yu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Put me on mailing list
Summary: put me on mailing list
Keywords: put me on list
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:27:18 GMT
Reply-To: hli@aecom.yu.edu
Followup-To: gh
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine

Please put me on mailing list. I am interested in this group.
Sorry I'm a new comer. Anyone would like to show me how to fully enjoy this
column?
Good greeting.
From: micky_wong@vnet.ibm.com (Micky Wong)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 11:54:44 EST
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Need help on Vnews.

A netter raised following question to me via E-mail:

"As far as 'kill file concerned', now I am using Vnews on Vax/Vms to
brows news. Could you tell me how to make 'kill file' under my
condition ?"

Since I have no knowledge of DEC's Vax/Vms system, would any netter
who knows how to setup kill-file or to activate mail filters on the
Vnews, please come to aid.

Reply-To: Micky_Wong@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Canada Laboratory
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: Usenet 3.0
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X-Spool-Tags: Micky_Wong@vnet.ibm.com
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM:  a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:32:36 GMT
Organization: UB


Lu Gang wrote letters to major newspapers and he gave the letters of
one of his `friends' to mail out. I wonder who of the following handed in 
Lu Gang's letters to police and why. 

/* wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu wrote */:
* 
*         Signed:
* 
*         An, Tao
*         Feng, Wei
*         Ji, Bing
*         Wang, Ji-Gen
*         Department of Physics and Astronomy
*         The University of Iowa
* 
*         Li, Xin
*         Song, Bin
*         Xue, Shan
*         were at (in 1991):   Department of Physics and Astronomy
*                              The University of Iowa
* 
*         Gao, Qinglin
*         Chairperson of FACSS at The University of Iowa  in 1991
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From: slbxk@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Help!!!
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:16:07 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Dear Friend,
     I have a problem about how to  make the super-jinshan chinese
system useful without the super-card. The command "splib" results
in error of "c:\xsdos.lph not found or read error".

Thanx in advance.
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From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: China's Election Procedure (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:53:15 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bx9z49.1BA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>I remembered Xiaofei Wang once posted a mathematics question on SCC
>about N samples spaces and each of the sample space elects one head
>to represent at least 51% of the heads in the sample space, and those 
>elected heads elect their representatives that represent at least 51% 
>of them and so on ..., finally, what's the representativeness of the 
>delegates on top of the pyramid?   

Yes, it is posted in the MFN-debate when IFCSS said they "represent
40,000 CSS in US..." for CMFN.  You see, they are elected by heads of
local CSS, which are elected by local CSS.  But then, I believe most CSS
support UMFN...

>Xiaofei:  would you re-post the question and the answer? Thanks.

You just re-posted the question.  As for the answer, I don't remember 
ever seeing one.

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From: eleea4e@rosie.uh.edu (Ting, Yubo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: RE: good good study, day day up
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:29:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <B0B=Zq@engin.umich.edu>, hua@engin.umich.edu (CHONGYU HUA) writes...
> 
>   
> 
>-------------------
>Here is a real one:  
>-------------------
> 
>An American friend of mine went to China last year.
>In the Summer Palace in Beijing, he met a very nice
>Chinese guy and they talked a while.  Here's part of
>their dialog I was told:
> 
>"Do you come to the Summer Palace quite often ?"
>"Oh, yes. I come here almost every day."
>"How come ?"
>"By Bus."
this story is not humorous at all!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
From: li@neutrino.rutgers.edu (Ye Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: my view about the vote in China and in the US
Date: 8 Nov 92 20:06:21 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	This is the first time I see a piece of posting from Mr. Yeh have some
legs to stand on. But I don't like the first paragraph, which smells. But I do
like some points of view, which are objective.

	I don't think we have Democracy in China. Chinese people have fought
for more than 70 yrs for Mr. D ( A term used in 1919 for Democracy), and we
still have to fight for it. The fighting should be modest, persistant and of
gentleman style. 

	Most people put Democracy into the category of human rights. In the 
point of my view, Democracy is for economy. China is in the process of privat-
izing of industries. In the near future, indepent business individuals will
grow stronger and stronger and eventually a free marcketing economy will merge
in China. The developement of free marketing economy will demand for Democracy.
This demanding will be much more powerful than demonstrations and will be much
more graceful than dog-fightings.

	Please don't critise my spellins and grammarical problems.
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: my view about the vote in China and in the US
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 7 Nov 92 09:08:29 GMT

Li Xiaolin can neither be voted in China nor in the US--this is a fact.
Regardless how much Ma3Pi4 he Pai4-ed to the US society and communities.  
Well, you Li Xiaolin could not be elected in China, because China does not 
have the type of democracy you Li Xiaolin wanted.  But it seems that you 
Li Xiaolin are pretty much satisfied with the US version of democracy, why 
didn't they elect you as the US president?  That's the first impression about 
the subject issue.

The second thing I feel necessary to talk is: the US election is full of
cheating.  Richard Nixon's Water Gate event is familiar to everyone's ear.
George Bush's "Read My Lips" is familiar to everyone, too.  These facts are
too superficial.  The real cheating is: the true spirit of capitalism 
is to make a small amount of people very rich, and since the US absolutely
hates the communism, obviously, the US government will be focusing on 
protecting a small amount of people's interests.  However, the US government 
always uses the word of "opportunity" to cheat their people, by saying 
something like "look, you have the opportunity to become rich, too.".  But 
everyone knows that the amount of rich people didn't increase in this country,
and those already-rich people become more rich, and the originally-poor people
become more poor, and the middle class people's living standards decrease.
So, the US presidential candidates need to find tricky ways to "convince"
their supporters that "if you support me this time, I can bring you 
opportunities [to become rich]".  Some Americans, who realize that they will
never become rich, put it as "if vote can change anything, they will make it 
illegal".

The good thing about the US system is that they are not "too much"--they
always give you room to try things out.  That's why people do not initiate
revolution in this country, although many people are in big trouble these
days.  If many people are in big trouble in China, revolution will become
inevitable.  That's why the Chinese government are more concerned about its
internal stablity.

In the US, the middle class people's two possible situations are: 
	1. keep the normal life;
	2. become homeless after they lose their normal income.

In China, the middle class people's two possible situations are:
	1. keep the normal life or get promoted;
	2. get destroyed by their colleagues politically.

shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai)
Subject: Re: Who is God
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:31:00 CST

In article <1992Nov12.192622.26437@chpc.utexas.edu> byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.183737.26453@zip.eecs.umich.edu> cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang) writes:
>>
>>How about let us throw in some numbers to see who knows who killed/kills
>>more ?
>>(1). American
>>
>>    10 to 15 million native American Indians killed +
>>    .5 million killed during independent +
>>    .5 million killed in Civil War +
>>    2 to 5 million killed in WWI   +
>>    5 to 10 million killed in WWII +
>>    2 to 5 million killed in Korea War +
>>    5 to 8 million killed in Vietnan War +
>>    1  to 2 million homicide (since independent to now)  
>>Total --------------------
>>    26 to 46 millions killed 
>>
>>How about China ?  As claimed by CCP, it killed 60 million in less than 20
>>years. How could any other country in this world to compete with Chinese in
>>terms of people killed ?
>>I wonder if there is really a God, should this God make Chinese strongest or
>>weakest ?
>>
>>Yi-Chieh
>
>Could you please list the source of your numbers also? Thanks.

60 million/1000 million = 6%.  
60 million/700 million = 8.3%.  

Really magic number!