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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 17:36:53 CDT
From: <U08991@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: On the existence of Paramatma

In article <9204102254.AA06818@argo.rice.edu>, pvr@rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
says:
>
>
>I find it objectionable to ridicule Sankara (whom many respect as a great
>thinker) without a serious and sincere attempt to understand him.
>

I don't. Remember, the net is to DISCUSS issues, not to hold someone's
sayings in the highest esteem. If you feel that Leslie was criticizing
Sankara, post an article presenting the logic that we must use in
evaluating Sankara's sayings, you know, to confirm that what he is saying
is not something that he pulled out of thin air but actually something
meaningful. Until then, what Leslie says makes a heckuva lot more sense
to me than what Sankara said.
>--------

In order to actually understand something, you need not SINCERELY
evaluate it.
You can look at it with a critical point of view until you really understand
what it is saying or meaning. Then, you make a decision as to whether it is
right or wrong. That is why God gave us eyes, ears , etc. And a BRAIN too.
So that we may utilize them to understand this complex universe. Not to
blindly accept that someone or something is great because "many people
respect him". Aristotle was also respected by his contemporaries.


I am going to look at this acct. again only on Wed. the 15th. So if anyone
posts a reply, understand that I will only see it on Wed.



                                            Anil Ladalla
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: aras@ms.uky.edu (P. I. Arasu)
Subject: Re: Asimov
    <1992Apr8.062403.2012@cs.wayne.edu>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:54:51 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Bytes: 

uds@parvathi.cs.wayne.edu (Seetamraju) writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.025218.27705@mtholyoke.edu> ksircar@mtholyoke.edu ( *T*) writes:
>>I am sorry to post the news that Isaac Asimov died on the morning of
>>April 6th. He was 72 (is that correct?). 
>>							*T*


>In my opinion, the center of the galaxy - what's the planet's name again? -
>where Hari Seldon, makes a tour of various cultures to help form his theory,
>  <rest of post deleted>

Trantor -the 100% urban planet, the life below completely shielded from 
its atmosphere!

>Seetamraju, Uday Bhaskar Sarma
>(email : seetam @ ss0 . eng . wayne . edu)

To me more than his scifi books his books on science were inspiring.
His ability to explain complex matters in very simple language was
phenomenal. He also broadened my views, made me more tolerant and 
made me realize how vain we humans are, considering  that we are 
just a speck of dust in the cosmos.
A sad loss. As someone said, "he had another 100 books in him".
-arasu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Hindu-Muslim population
From: vkuttikattu@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 3 Apr 92 22:31:08 CST
Reply-To: ag31+@andrew.cmu.edu
Organization: University of Missouri-Kansas City

In article <wdpSWJe00VBCF0RUVw@andrew.cmu.edu>, ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta) writes:

> 
> (Incidentally, in the early 1970s these leaders claimed an Indian
> Muslim population of 20 crores -- and they have neglected to update
> their propaganda since -- todays claim of 22 crores is a growth rate
> of 0.5% per annum, compared to the Indian population growth rate of
> 2.1% !!!!!!!)
> 
> ***
> 
> All flames may be directed to Prof. Iqbal Ansari at the
> A.M.U. :-)
> 
> ***
> arun gupta
> ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Correct me If I'm wrong, but 22 crores out of a population of 85 crores does
not tally with the fact that muslims form 12.5% of India's population.I think
the 1980 census indicated a total of about 110 million muslims in India.
                                        Kunnath Paulose
1crore= 10 million




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: hemal@donuts0.uucp ()
Subject: Re: Gujju Joke
Reply-To: hemal@donuts0.uucp ()
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: nj, usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 14:15:49 GMT


>>all these gujju jokes and the ones about 
>>"fus nu jeans ne smes nu t-sert ne roos nu soos" were the "in" thing ! ;-)
>>( F U's brand jeans, Smash brand T shirts and Roos brand Shoes )
>>and the ever_green "su che saaru che, danda lai ne maaru che"  were popular !
		      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

One of my friend told that this from Bombay's Maharastrians who
got frustrated from their own language and started learning others;
as a result they mixed two. Above sentence is famous as
Marathi Poem in mix Hindi and Gujarati, obviously this poem is nither
in pure Gujarati nor Hind.

Hemal Patel
donuts0.bellcore.com!hemal
699-7849
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rbhatnag@uceng.UC.EDU (raj bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: Politics of Infiltration: Rebuttal
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:06:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.230820.17629@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:

>You did not answer his main point: how is it different from Hispanics flooding
>USA. 

Well, I was responding to the other post by Deepak in which he focused
on showing that Jamiat-e-Islami in BDesh is a fringe political party. There
was no mention of Hispanics-in-USA in that post.

There is illegal immigration into US from South, but that is no where close
to the proportions of infiltration from BDesh.

You must remember the unrest and the students movement (AGSP) in Assam.
The main reason for that was the settlement of illegal immigrants into
Assam with the active connivance of those who wanted to use the
immigrants as the vote banks. 

Your suggestion of completely opening the border is sure a noble one, 
and I would like the whole World, let alone South Asia, to become a 
BORDERLESS entity, but then you must first arm yourself with 
solutions to  the messes of the type that have been created in 
Assam - which is without any solution in sight yet. India being a
multi-cultural/religious/ethnic country, it must be borne in mind
that excessive illegal immigration into any one geographical area,
undermining the resources for economic survival of the native group,
and threetening to snatch the political power and influence from the
native group is bound to create massive resentment, tension, and chaos.

Haven't we learnt our lesson from Assam yet?

In addition,
the fear of a district, especially a border one, becoming a problem 
for India the moment it becomes a Muslim majority district is not
entirely without basis. I know that such doubts must not be made to 
reflect on the entire Indian Muslim population but the theory of Islam-based
political identity - in conflict with the Indian political identity - has
not been totally abandoned by all the adherents of Islam - either in India
or outside. The formation of the Muslim parliament in UK - sounding out
the desire to be governed by their Islamic law and not the British 
common law - is again symptomatic of those Islamic tendencies which 
prevent *MANY* Muslims from accepting to live as one of the faiths 
in a multi-(religious/cultural)society. And Indian Islam is not `
free from such forces despite the presence of many Indian-nationalists 
among the Indian Muslims. Chaos in Kashmir is one manifestation of the above 
separatist philosophy of Islam based polities.

>There is only two soln. Completely seal off the border( practically
>impossible; extravagant costs; increases more nepotism)
>Completely open the border (Check only for arms etc.):Way to go

>Arindam
>


---raj
From: prabhak@cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: One less ignorant Indian girl
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:16:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr16.111638.26343
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.


 (Milind Kandlikar) writes:
>
>>Yashodara Power sent me email about my INDIAN WOMEN message.
..........
>>make a point about Indian girls' attitudes towards sex.
>
>You will never be a MAN until you address women as WOMEN and not as girls.
>perhaps its OK, going by all your past postings you are still a BOY
>
>Happy Growing Up.....

I have heard that it usually takes a woman to make a man of a boy.
But this is the first time perhaps that man has been transformed
into a boy because of a woman. Or is it a girl?, I am confused!

Satya Prabhakar  B :-) (Big Smilie)
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Amnesty Int'l
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:21:03 GMT
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


"AI is an independent worldwide movement working impartially
for the release of all prisoners of conscience, fair and prompt
trials for political prisoners and an end to torture and exe-
cutions. It is funded by donations from its members and supporters
throughout the world."  -- from AI letter

AI collected and delivered to the White House in 1991, 150,000
petitions urging President Bush to adhere to the principle that
a single moral standard of respect for human rights should be
applied in all international affairs.
(AI basically works by petitioning govt. officials everywhere.)

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: patelsa1@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: america loves indians
Organization: University of Lowell
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:13:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.195921.8735@acsu.buffalo.edu>, acsossc@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Samir Chaudhari) writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.25633@usl.edu>, edo2877@usl.edu (Ott Edward D) writes...
>>
> 
>>God bless the IITs without them how could american industry compete.
>>so remember tell all your brothers,sisters,cousins and school friends that
>>as soon as they graduate to come to america get thier masters and start 
>>working for america.
>> 
> 
	May be, one american girl loves me.

_The Judge
> 
> -S
From: panth-n@acsu.buffalo.edu (Nandakumar Panthalingal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info needed on EE at LSU, RPI, Drexel, UFL, Penn state
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:07:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB


Hi There,


I need some information regarding the questions and universities listed below.
One of my friends has got admission but no financial aid from these places.
Your replies will be of help for him in making a decision. Schools and
questions are :

(For M.S. in Electrical Engg. in the area of digital signal processing
or communications)

a. University of Florida (Gainesville)
b. RPI (Troy)
c. Penn State University
d. Drexel University
e. Louisiana State University

Information regarding the following:

a. Chances of getting tuition waiver?
b. Chances of funding in the second semester?
c. What is the on campus job scene?
d. What is the EE dept. ranking of these schools?
e. Is there any source of getting loans for graduate studies(for 
   international students)?
f. Are new students taken as RA's by profs.
g. If possible please give the names of profs. in these schools   
   who are doing active research in the field of digital signal
   processing or communications.

Your help will be really appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Please send replies to:

                      panth-n@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu
From: gjohar@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Gita Johar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Tax forms for students
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:43:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: rnd.24040
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

file?  Do we still file 1040 NR or can we file 1040?  
 Please respond to gjohar@rnd.stern.nyu.edu

Thanks.

Gita
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@parvathi.cs.wayne.edu (Seetamraju)
Subject: India invents the number system...
Organization: Wayne State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:52:36 GMT

Though ancient indians invented the zero and the decimal system of numbers
and decimal arithmetic, its the arabs who are the sole innovators of the modern
way of writing decimals.  An Arab student who stayed in my hostel (during my
Btech in India), told me about this.   The numbers are so made that the number
of ACUTE angles in the written form of the digit, corresponds to its value.

one :
       11     
      1 1     
     1  1     
        1     
        1     
        1     
              
two :
   222222
        2     
      2       
    2         
   2          
   222222
three :
   333333     
        3     
       3      
      3       
       3      
        3     
   333333     
four:
        4     
       44     
      4 4     
     4  4     
    44444
        4     
        4     
(include the two right angles in four, while counting).

Bossu, I cant type more than this.  But it should be interesting for you
to write the rest of the digits, s.t. the number of acute angles is = its value.

Associated question : why wasnt the syntactical structure of ancient indians
well developed ? 
my guess : a la ramanujam, our ancestors, did gorgeous mental gymnastics to
arrive at an answer.

Please see another posting of my mine for a discussion on a book called
vedic mathematics
(written by puri sankaracharya - I think - who lived in th ebeggining of this
century.

Seetamraju, Uday Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ksircar@mtholyoke.edu ( *T*)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.matrimonials
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:04:27 GMT

arora@ecs.umass.edu (arora@ecs.umass.edu) writes:
: great idea!!!!!!!!!!

	I completely agree! There seem to be enough traffic to 
	merit a separate matrimonials group!
							*T*    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: pghol@ctp.com (Preeti Gholap)
Subject: l/f ethnic clothes
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:45:06 GMT
Distribution: us
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners

If you're reading this for the second time, my apologies...

If anyone out there knows of places near Boston or New York, 
or even a mail-order co.(am I being too hopeful?)
that sells shalwaar-khamees or churidar-khamees - 
I'd be real grateful for the information!

If you do know of such a place, I'd appreciate mail to my
account rather than a reply here. Thanks.  

Preeti Anissa Gholap
Cambridge Technology Partners
301 Vassar Street
Cambridge, MA 02139

pghol@ctp.com
pghol@astra.ctp.com
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From: pavan@cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian.american,rec.music.indian.classical,rec.music.indian.misc
Subject: Hindustani Flute Recital (Minneapolis)
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:20:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr8.152026.25867
Distribution: mn
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.


			Indian Music Society 
			~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~
			    of Minnesota
			    ~~ ~~~~~~~~~
			      presents


		    G.S.Sachdev (Bamboo Flute)
		    --------------------------

      in a recital of classical North Indian instrumental music

		    		with

		     Swapan Chaudhuri (Tabla)
		     ------------------------


	When    : Saturday, April 11, 1992, 7:00 p.m
	~~~~
	Where   : Hubert Humphrey Center (Cowles Auditorium)
	~~~~~     U of M West Bank, 301 19th Av. S., Mpls.

	Tickets : Students, Senior Citizens and Children : $ 6
	~~~~~~~   General Admission : $ 10

		      For further details call

	 Ramesh Ajitaprasad @ 933-0743   Jayaraman @ 493-4879
-- 
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pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu		Off: 612-626-7509 	Res:612-341-0708
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Wed,  8 Apr 1992 14:22:33 -0400 
From: Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: INDIAN WOMEN & MARRIAGE



Several Indian women are nearly as pathetic as men when it comes to this issue.
I blasted Indian men in my previos messages. Now is the time to
criticise Indian women. Did anyone ever wonder that the mothers-in-law
of these poor helpless
women are women too? Also, did you ever notice attitudes of Indian girls
in colleges? Most of them are so boring. I havre a friend who graduated
from Carnegie Mellon last year. He is now a grad student at Urbana. HE
is an Indina American and he told me that Indian grad girls in his
college are either married or very conservative. Even if they didnt have
their brothers and relatives observing their every move, they wouldn't
even come close to dating another guy. 

The best example is of some girl(Yashodara Power?) who asked about the
relevancy of sex to marriage. Also, while I believe women don't have
such strong caste feelings at a young age, they tend to be as bad as
Indian men in caste issues at a later age.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: One less ignorant Indian girl
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 02:52:15 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: soc.culture.indian
Summary: just a note
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

	
In article <sduw4oC00WC0MJ5wUC@andrew.cmu.edu> Pravin Devineni Ratnam <pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>
>Yashodara Power sent me email about my INDIAN WOMEN message.
>If anyone remembers, she is the person who questioned the relevancy
>of sex to marriage. I made fun of that statement in a message of mine.
>She has clarified her stand on that issue. She said that she meant marriage
>shouldn't be the only means to have sex. She said that she believed that
>one needn't marry to have sex. So you don't have to marry just for satisfying
>your sexual urges.

:Well, with AIDS around, it may be a sensible idea to not to have it before
:marriage... I was told about a guy ( supposedly Indian ) who picked

What makes you think that U will not contract the HIV virus after marriage. 
Do U believe that marriage will prevent the tansmission if your wife is
HIV+

:up a woman from a bar and took her home, and next morning when he woke up
:she had left already... but on the bathroom mirror, written in red lipstic
:was "welcome to the world of AIDS"!

This is a well publicised story - Here Down Under in Oz and NZ too - only diff.
is that the male who found lipstick message was Australian and Kiwi.

:I am not sure if this is a real story, but it does seem possible... something
:not too nice to happen to you, don't you think? 
:And, how much you want to
:risk on a condom?

As much as You can:-) -: There are more people dying of other diseases. 
Probably more dying on the road every weekend. I think U should stay at home
and be a good boy. Do not venture out of your house or U might be hit by a car.

I also think U are irked by the fact that it is an Indian womyn here in question
and she does not fit into your set of morals.

:Njan


"Did U come here to play Jesus
 to the lepers in your head"
                          U2
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ram@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ram Devanathan)
Subject: Re: Bride wanted
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:53:48 GMT

>> mpg8842@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Madhav  Parthasarathy) writes:
>> What's wrong  about wanting a well-educated or fair or 
>>good-looking spouse?  To all the people who have been denouncing this as 
>>discrimination, let me ask you a question.  Would you be willing to marry 
>>an ugly person (arranged or otherwise)?  I know I wouldn't.  

> ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna) writes:
>	I don't have a problem with people posting matrimonials here either, 
>but i think that you've missed a fairly significant point in the objections 
>made by other posters to the ads.  you've asked, "what's wrong with wanting 
>a ... fair .. spouse".  my understanding is that the word "fair", when used 
>in this context, refers to the extent of pigmentation in one's skin.  it is 
>well known in indian circles that a person (particularly this applies to 
>women, although men become victims of this prejudice as well) is considered 
>to be more attractive if they are lighter skinned. If this is what is 
>being referred to in these matrimonial postings, then YES, I DO HAVE A 
>PROBLEM WITH THEM.  
     
     Since most people are monogamous, they have to discriminate while
choosing a spouse. It is impossible, otherwise, to choose a spouse. We all
have preferences like tall/short, slim/needs to call Jenny Craig,
paunchy/muscular, rich/poor, speaks language x, vegetarian/non-vegetarian
etc. So, there is nothing wrong in prefering a partner with a certain
level of skin pigmentation. However, hating a person because that person
has a certain skin color or is short/tall/bald/dark-haired/paunchy etc.
constitutes bigotry and should be strongly condemned.

> ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna) writes:
>	a fairly painful set of memories from my childhood brands me as 
>being "ugly" because i didn't have blonde hair, blue eyes or an acquiline 
>nose.  the small-minded hatred which characterizes racism is to be found 
>also in the arbitrary ways in which we define beauty.  there's much more to 
>the issue of desiring a "fair" bride than a benign personal preference.
>alka
     If people think you are ugly, that is just their personal preference.
If they hate you because they think you are ugly that is bigotry.
Matrimonial ads expressing certain preferences fall in the former category.
Torture of brides by in-laws because of skin color falls into the latter
class.
R. Devanathan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ram@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ram Devanathan)
Subject: Re: The World and Sanskrit
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:45:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.141651.2929@ncsa.uiuc.edu> podurys@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Podury Satyanarayan) writes:
>Also, I may have got my facts wrong regarding the following stories
>from other religions.  I hope knowledgeable people would correct it.
>My apologies for any unintentional errors.)
> A person who attains samadhi, according to Indian Philosophy(IP), should be
>            entombed (buried?) and not cremated like ordinary people...
>            The tradition of baptizing, I guess, started with the baptizing
>            of Christ by Johann(??).  But since, according to IP, Christ
>            is considered as an avatar of Shiva (???), baptizing him
>            would be the proper thing to do.
      I am surprised that no netter has pointed out the obvious fact -
the Shivalinga looks remarkably similar to the cross, especially if
you look at it with both eyes closed.  I am glad that Joseph and
Mary were aware of the facts and did not do anything 'improper'. This
is not surprising considering the fact that Mother Mary was none other
than Mari-amma, who is worshipped by Hindus all over T.N.:-)
P.S: For the humor impaired - I am just kidding. I ain't no revisionist.
From: ratan@ring8.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Soc.culture.hindi
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:30:07 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <Apr.17.12.21.03.1992.21433@ring8.rutgers.edu>, ratan@ring8.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan) writes:
> 
> Let us start a new newsgroup
> 
>                 soc.culture.hindi
> 
> I second this idea. (I have couple of personalities, in case you are
> wondering) 
> 

We Gujju's also want to start a new newsgroup   SOC.CULTURE.GUJJU (no
offense intended to us)

The reasons are the folowing

1) There have been too many offensive Gujju jokes in SCI which we
   don't want to read. But since it is in the posting we read it anyway
   and get angry.

2) Tamils are separating from SCI. So ther won't be any more
   informative postings no more. So what's the point sticking with
   this SCI.
3) Somebody proposed for a separation of hindi people also. In the
   same spirit ..........

Santosh Ratan Patel