From: wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nobody of Importance)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: SDF-1 vs. NCC 1701-D
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:41:36 GMT
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In article <2219@blue.cis.pitt.edu> seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
]In article <1jka45INNar8@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nobody of Importance) writes:
]>In article <C15z01.9sE@ecf.toronto.edu> linmo@ecf.toronto.edu (LIN MONTEIL) writes:
]>]Where are YOU getting your info from? Quote the original paragraph and I'll
]>]believe you otherwise it stands. since when have you seen the Enterprise
]
]>Well linmo, look on p.123-124 of the Tech Manual under "Shipboard Phasers".
]
]>drop Axcis on Earth?" Read the Tech Manual (if that is where you got your
]>]>The deflectors can put out 1152 MW of power, during Cruise mode. 
]
]>put the Enterprise in grave danger. The Technical Manual is considered 
]
]	And so on and so forth...
]
]	Guys... ignore the freaking Tech Manuals. The first one was full
]of holes; the second one is full of even MORE holes, albeit covered by
]more apparently accurate BS.

Well, pshaw. The Tech Manual does contain some good stats. linmo was wrong
about the Enterprise's phaser capabilities and he made bad assumptions from
observations in the show.
 
]	I really don't CARE what the Tech Manual says, because 
]
]	IF IT IS ON THE SCREEN, IT HAPPENED IN THAT UNIVERSE.

Okay, watch "Conundrum" again and listen carefully to Worf incredulously
report that the enemy ship only has a shield strength of 5-6 kilojoules.
In other words, that energy level is ridiculously weak compared to the
Enterprise.  
 
]	Thus, if the Tech manual says, in big red radioactive letters
]ten billion miles high "It is impossible for phasers to be fired at
]warp speeds" 
]
]	And one episode shows phasers being fired at warp speed

Which episode?
 
]	THEN phasers can be fired at warp speed, because we have SEEN
]it happen.

Or the writers didn't consult the technical advisors who creatively made up
a bunch of plausible sounding technobabble to explain the ship's abilities.
Do you consider all the stupid things done with the transporter to be
accurate? Then the Star Trek universe won't have any old people because they
can just read in a trace pattern of the person when he/she was young and
use the transporter to rematerialize that person with the younger body.
 
]	Since the tech manuals are ostensibly written in that century,
]maybe some information is changed "for security reasons". But whatever
]you give as an excuse, the Tech Manuals can, at best, be only a 
]supplement or a backup source. Whenever any written source conflicts
]with what one ACTUALLY SEES, the written source is wrong.
 

I disagree but I can still back up somethings with what I've seen anyway. 

--It took the SDF-1 a few months to make the trip from Pluto to Earth.
  The Enterprise did it in hours.. at sublight. Therefore, linmo is wrong 
  in his assumption that because the Big E is a ship, it is very slow and 
  can be caught by puny Veritechs (even ones w/booster packs). 

--When the Big E was running from the Borg after their first encounter, they
  had to stop firing photorps because the Borg were getting too close and
  the torps would hurt the ship if they fired them at that range. While
  that doesn't give any solid numbers, 1.5kg of antimatter would be dangerous 
  if detonated at close range to the Enterprise.

--Redemption II: Photon torpedoes can adjust their strength, presumably by
  lowering the amount of antimatter in them. That is not in conflict with
  the Manual since it didn't really say that the payload was fixed. In fact,
  preparation of a torp includes an antimatter loading phase just before
  loading it into the tube. You could insert a smaller charge then.

There are quite a few things that haven't been proven wrong by mistakes in
the show. I don't remember any episode where someone said: hey, our phasers
only have 5 MW of power! A few tons of old TNT is more powerful than that!"
So, I think that the info on phasers is quite correct. Ditto shields since
the few times they failed seemed to be because they were forming as soon as
the enemy hit them and weren't at full strength. I still stand by those 
conclusions since any evidence from the show is debatable.


]	
]				Sea Wasp

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