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From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: Cruise Control w/ Manual Transmission
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:15:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Nov17.193931.5164@scott.skidmore.edu>, jreiser@scott.skidmore.edu (Jason Reiser... Asleep) writes:
|> stsshol@st.unocal.COM (Herb Lam) writes:
|> > 
|> > I have a '91 Mazda 626 with manual transmission along with cruise
|> > control.  I have only tried the cruise control to see how it operates
|> > but don't use it because I usually drive in fairly heavy traffic.
|> > 
|> > Out of curiosity, what happens if the cruise control is on and I
|> > change gears?  Does it do any harm to the engine or the cruise control?
|> 
|> 
|> The cruise controls I've used with manual transmissions have always
|> disengaged when you touch the clutch... same way it does it you touch
|> the brake.  This probably applies to your 626 as well.

what if you change gears without touching the clutch (probably tricky if
you're letting the cruise control do the gas)?  what about pulling the
tranny into neutral while at speed?  will the engine rev maddly trying
to maintain speed?

axel
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Extended Warranty (3rd party recommendations)
From: johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns)
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:38:24 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

In article <1992Nov19.143203.12911@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu writes:
>
  [lots of stuff deleted about ESP.  And an example on a Sable.]


>Bottom line:  Find a good car.  Find a good dealer.  Buy an ESP
>if it's a used car and the price is right.  Consider an ESP for a new car,
>buy it if the price is right.  The right prices for ESPs?  I'd say
>under $1000 for a good used car with average mileage and under $600 for
>a new car priced from $15,000 to $20,000.  I think it is cheap insurance.
>

 Agreed, find a good car.  A "good" car will NOT NEED an ESP. I have purchased
 2 used Toyotas ( 86 Corolla, 90 Supra ), and my father another 2 ( 83 Tercel,
 90 Camry ).  NOTHING has gone wrong with mine, and very little on my father's.
 I have never purchased an ESP, and have never gotten stung, additional repair
 outlays for 5 years - $0.  My father likes ESPs, despite my protests, and has
 purchased one for each of his cars.  Well, guess what?  The one ESP expires
 next month, used once to replace the EGR valve @ 90,000 mile, counting the
 cost of the EGR that's ~$300 down the drain, on the 83 Tercel.  His '90 Camry
 is still under the basic warranty, but still nothing has gone wrong.

 By all means, when purchasing a used vehicle, have it checked out by an
 independent mechanic you trust.
-- 
Stephen Johns, Research Analyst
Southwest Research Institute, SA, TX 78228 (512) 522-5751
Xref: sparky rec.autos:27364 alt.autos.antique:2240
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,alt.autos.antique
Subject: Re: Need a car for trans USA trip.
Date: 20 Nov 1992 02:43:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Geof Evans) says:

>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>
>>In a previous article, rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Evans) says:
>
>>>We are travelling thruout the US in January/February and will be looking
>>>to buy a (very) cheap car to do it in. Any old Pontiac,Dodge,big ol'bus
>>>will be fine so long as the brakes work and it goes. Obviously we would 
>>>prefer a ragtop for when we get down south. We will be arriving in NY
>>>and we know it will be *freezing* but hey...what the heck ! We want to 
>>>stay under a grand (paintwork is not important 8->...) so any ideas ?
>>>Really...as long as it goes for ten weeks that's all we need.
>>>
>>>                                          ciao for now...
>>>                                                         Bigfoot.
>>>
>>hmm..ur just looking for trouble, huh!?!
>>(or do you only own a motor cycle right now?..)

someone pointed out that if i'd bother to read the headers(xplaned l8r)
i'd have known that you lived down under...oops..:-)

>>DREW
>
>*>>> We do own a motorcycle, and the ute of course, not to mention the
                                      ~~~the what??

>     Rover from hell but rest assured we won't be looking for trouble...
>     I'm sure it will be looking for us B->. What kind of trouble do you
>     have to offer ? Have wheels will travel. Feel the cool wind on your face.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
well..none, dude..just..the kind of trouble that happens when one
attempts to purchase such a car..(some choose to call it "adventure")...

>     Hey Drew...is Barry more like you ?  B->.
          ~~~~      ~~~~~ ~~~~I only wish I could get my hands on that!!!..
(of course..monetary assets have NOTHING to do w/it! :-)
and..it's DREW...yeah..all caps..wouldn't want the Drew to get offended...
just a clarification..in case some of us(like me) don't read the headers to 
find out exactly whom is speaking....  
                                        ciao...
>                                                    Bigfoot.
>
>-- 
>  ___________________________________________________________________  
>|| Geof Evans                 | DOMAIN: rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au  ||
>||   If they *really* wanna know...tell 'em that God was drunk.      ||
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>
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: WHAT IS A MITSUBISHI EXPORT ?????????
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:40:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.145323.9027@ac.dal.ca> roneill@ac.dal.ca writes:
>Could someone please tell me or describe to me what a
>Mitsubishi Export is?
>

	It is a Mitsubishi Expo, a cute little thing that could be best
described as a Mini-Mini Van.  It is smaller than most minivans, but larger
than a station wagon.  Also there is an even smaller Expo LRVhich is 
kinda cute itself...


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jkaegi@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Kaegi)
Subject: WANTED: Honda Mailing list
Keywords: just need the address
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA 
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:00:34 GMT

Just need the address for the mailing list.
thanks,
 john
jkaegi@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,misc.kids,talk.politics.medicine,sci.med
From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Subject: Re: Seat Belts Releasing in Crashes: Institute for Injury Reduction
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:55:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.065603.19747@r-node.gts.org> ndallen@r-node.gts.org (Nigel Allen) writes:
>Here is a press release from the Institute for Injury Reduction.
>
>   This is entirely consistent with NHTSA's shirking of its safety
>duties under the Reagan-Bush Administration's anti-regulation
>policies in the past NHTSA has declared as safe the following, to
>name just a few examples;
>   Cars without air bags, cars without rear shoulder belts, roll-
>over prone utility vehicles, rupture-prone fuel tanks, child
>restraints without side impact protection, door-mounted seat belts
>that open in crashes, non-adjustable shoulder belt anchorages,
>lacerating windshields, collapsing seat backs, slack-inducing belts
>and antilock brakes.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Some of these are a bit weird (i.e. cars without air bags should be considered
"unsafe".  This would label as unsafe 90% of the cars on the road today,
which in some sense, is true.  However, this isn't the same thing, to me,
as cars which appear to be safe but aren't (i.e. seatbelts that attach
to the door.  Door opens, person flies out).  Anyway, my real question is
re antilock brakes.  I thought that they were supposed to IMPROVE safety
by reducing skids (Consumer Reports recommends them highly).  Is there data 
that shows that they actual DEGRADE safety (perhaps by failing to work,
or not providing enough braking in some situations)??
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sgupta@pint.ecn.purdue.edu (Sameer Gupta)
Subject: How to sign up for italian car mailing list ?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:30:04 GMT

Hello,

	The question is pretty much stated in the subject - what do I have to
do to sign up for the italian cars mailing list ?  I have followed the stuff
given in the FAQ with no success.

Please help,

Thanks,

Sameer Gupta
sgupta@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: thurs_j@fog.cs.odu.edu (Jason Thurston)
Subject: Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:11:43 GMT

In article <By4ysJ.3zo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.220007.25756@csi.uottawa.ca> kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:
>>Oh, shut up and get a Honda NSX.  End of discussion.
>                       ^^^^^^^^^
>
>	If you're gonna spend that much, wait a while and get a Viper.

Whoa, wait a minute. I may be a little off here, but last I checked
wasn't **ACURA** the maker of the NSX?
						--Jason
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: hsd@swl.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA)
Subject: Re: Gatorback tires
Organization: Raytheon Company, Tewksbury, MA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:19:52 GMT

rg9538@ehsn2.cen.uiuc.edu (Ronald E Garnett) writes:

>I have 1 89 Probe GT with 15 inch rims and Gatorback tires (High Speed).

>Any suggestions for possible substitutions that won't cost $250 a piece??

>Ron Garnett 

  Dunlop D40M2.  Same or better grip in the dry, substantially better grip
  in the wet.  As miserable as the Goodyear Gatorback in the snow (but
  isn't that half the fun?), V or H rating (as I recall) available and
  about $150 each. 

	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: How do you spell relief?
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:42:57 GMT

> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:

>>Damned it, for the last time, its is spelled C-A-M-A-R-O   
>
>	*I* thought it was spelled D-O-G

Only when an amateur like you is driving it, chief.

[Humongous   :-) ]


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: svanegmo@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen Van Egmond)
Subject: Re: Honda to move HQ to US
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:04:11 GMT

Quote:
"
I was listening to a report on NPR, in which they interviewed a Honda
plant worker (in Ohio) and the NA President for Honda (an American).
Both emphasis that their product was made in America.
If we turn back the history pages, the reason Honda built a plant in
America was to increase their profits, and NOT to add American 
jobs. 
"

I know of no other reason a company needs to make a particular move.  Basic economic competition theory: a company operating in the long term will seek to increase its profits and minimize its costs; companies that do not act to maximize profits are rare.

Besides, what's wrong with wanting to make a buck?
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ellisk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Michael K. Ellis)
Subject: Re: Probe in the Snow?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 08:58:50 GMT

bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:

>mjc5@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Cavotta) writes:

>>	Anyone out there who has had any winter-weather experience with the
>>93 Probe, could you please share any input as to the car's viability in
>>inclement conditions.  I'm thinking about buying one, but am concerned
>>about the stock tires and their all-season ability.

>I would think the GT would be terrible in snow due to the wide tires.

Friday I got to have my first reall fun in the snow with my new Probe
GT.  It gets mixed reviews.

With wet or even slushy roads, handling, braking, and acceleration are
all still fine.  The Gatorbacks handle wetness with composure, aplomb,
and basically don't cause my hair to stand on end.

When you actually get snow or very heavy slush on the roads, though,
things change.  On the highway, with slush, I was okay. Once I hit city
streets, particularly ones that hadn't been plowed, I was in a great
deal of trouble.  Acceleration went all to hell (no real traction) and
braking was greatly reduced, although due to the ABS it was better than
the acceleration!

Time to get snow tires.  Any suggestions?  I was thinking of buying some
Goodyear Eagle M&S's, but they're expensive, and I was told they don't
last that long. Other ideas?  Tire size is P225/50 and a 16" wheel.

By the way, traction aside, the Probe is the best car I've ever driven
in inclement weather.  There was ZERO fogging in the car, even on the
side quarter windows, the wipers worked very well, and the ABS was
wonderful.  But I still drove the family's 81 Grand Wagoneer today to
work because I didn't want to die.

--
Michael K. Ellis
ellisk@fido.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou)
Subject: Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
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Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:18:47 GMT

jtteh@borland.com (J.T. Teh) writes:
: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
: 
: >In article <1992Nov21.220007.25756@csi.uottawa.ca> kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:
: >>Oh, shut up and get a Honda NSX.  End of discussion.
: >                       ^^^^^^^^^
: 
: >	If you're gonna spend that much, wait a while and get a Viper.
: 
: Yeah, sure, Vipers are currently selling at $120,000!!!! A Viper I saw
: at the Dodge dealer here had the mark-up to $150,000!!!! That's a 300%
: mark-up. And they don't have a/c, windows, ABS, airbag, power-steering,
: etc.... I'd still rather get a NSX, but I wouldn't mind waiting for
: the VTEC version out next year! :-)
:     ^^^^^^^^^^^^

NSX has VTEC from day one.  Did you mean the bigger (3.3?) engine?

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Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,misc.kids,talk.politics.medicine,sci.med
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1993 Probe -- two week initial impressions (long-ish)
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:50:04 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes:
>     Man, we must have a great Ford dealership or something.

You might do both them and the net a favor by giving their name and
address.  I'd certainly prefer dealerships with good customer service
references.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston)
Subject: Re: Uninsured Motorist Insurance
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:52:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Illinois State University

In article <1992Nov19.192039.7432@colorado.edu> panos@burton.cs.colorado.edu (Panos Tsirigotis) writes:
>Is this type of insurance worth getting ?
>BTW, Colorado is a no-fault state so in effect this insurance covers
>injuries *after* the no-fault coverage is exceeded.
>Any opinions, comments, or cases where this type of insurance
>proved useful are welcome.
>
I don't know how it applies to no-fault states but uninsured/underinsured
motorist coverage is one of the best insurance bargains.  Compared to other
types of vehicle insurance it is cheap.
     Suppose you have a collision which is some other person's fault and his/
her insurance will pay up to $20k for your medical expenses.  Suppose those
expenses are $50k+.  You might find a lawyer willing to sue the person to
cover your medical expenses in excess of the $20k but you are not likely to
collect unless the person is very rich.  If you have uninsured/underinsured
motorist coverage for $100k your insurance will cover your medical expenses
up to $100k which are not covered by the other person's insurance.
     An insurance agent should be able to explain it better if you have other
questions.


-- 
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:43:42 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Nov19.020843.4524@attila.weitek.COM> ehsan@attila.UUCP () writes:
>
>blocks of cement/concrete so that we know how far to drive a car into
>garage. similar to one found in parking lots?

	Tie a tennis ball on a string from the garage door so that when the car is
pulled into the garage exactly as far as it should be it will just brush the wind-
shield.  Don't let it drag across the hood or you'll get scratches.  Fasten the
string to the _inside_ of the door so that when the door is up it hangs down vertically.

	This is better than a cement block 'cause if you go in too far you just
hit the tennis ball and not cement.
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Survey impartiality
Date: 18 Nov 1992 06:02:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) says:

>In article <1992Nov16.154624.4093@oakhill.sps.mot.com> rvkl60@aus18a25.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes) writes:
>>I DID check.  Look at the April 1992 issue of "Consumer Reports".  This
>>is what I found:
>>-Ford Explorer - Worse than average
>> Mazda Navajo- Average
>[etc...]
>>All of these cars are "badge engineered".  As far as I know, these cars 
>>have the same mechanicals but differ in trim and/or accessories at most 
>>(typically the only difference is the name).
>>
>>In each case, the American nameplate got a worse overall rating than
>>the Japanese nameplate.
>>
>>I stand my my assertion that the C/U survey is biased.
>
>not to defend consumer reports, but does this overall rating include
>dealer service, etc.?  it's possible that the japanese dealers
>were better about doing stuff under warranty and so forth (though
>my experience was that the import dealers were dicks and the domestic
>dealers were nice people).

WHOAAA!!!!BIG TIME mistake here!!!!..they are ALL dicks!!!!!!
do not let ANYone ever tell you otherwise!!!(  :-) for those of
us.....)
DREW

>i don't have much faith in consumer reports, anyway.  they did
>a review of some popular mountain bikes and it's fairly obvious
>that as far as mountain bikes are concerned, they don't know their
>ass from a hole in the ground.  (yes i bike a lot.)  ditto for the cars.
>-teddy
>
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:38:48 -0500 
From: Jinmo Ahn <ja2f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: New '93 Supra???


Has anyone seen the new '93 Supra???

It's supposed to resemble the Lexus SC400 and share the SC300's engine.

The little blurb from Road & Track says there will be an option of a
twin-turbo inline-6 engine that may boost the power to 260 to 300hp.

If there were any recent info. leeks you are aware of, please post them.

Thanks

Jinmo Ahn



From: lupienj@hpwadac.hp.com (John Lupien )
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:24:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Message-ID: <3926@hpwala.wal.hp.com>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Reply-To: lupienj@wal.hp.com (John Lupien )

In article <1992Nov12.142908.17223@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi) writes:
>least of there problems is the engine. I read the biggest task facing
>the team is the 610lb storage tank they need for the hydrogen fuel, besides
>being so big it only has about 124 miles fuel capcity before a recharge is 
>needed.  I wonder what kind of power this engine would generate?

This is something you could work out pretty easily.
I don't have the right references handy to give the Final Answer,
but here's how to go about looking it up:

First, the number of molecules of cumbustibles is the same
per unit volume of fuel vapor (hydrogen or gasoline).
Stoichimetric mixture for gasoline is 1:14 fuel vapor to air.
Stoichimetric mixture for hydrogen is 2:5 H2 to air (based on
air containing 20% O2, and 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O).
Assuming atmospheric charging in both cases, you are burning about 6 times as
many H2 molecules per charge as you would gasoline. So, if the 
specific energy of combustion of gasoline is more than 6 times the
specific energy of combustion of hydrogen, you'll get less power with hydrogen,
otherwise you'll get more power (or the same). Unfortunately I lent my
book about thermodynamics of engines to Bernhard Meister (if you see this,
I WANT IT BACK!!!) years ago, so I'll have to look in a more pedestrian
reference for the specific energies. Maybe tomorrow...

---
John R. Lupien
lupienj@wal.hp.com
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: My new Saturn in the shop for new transmission
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:44:06 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

>>	Oh, one more thing, $1700 in pure profit?  What about overhead?

	I think the reference is to the fact that the Car Book, for one, 
	shows that the typical markup from dealer cost to sticker for
	a Saturn is 17%.  This is much higher than for other cars in
	the same size/price category, which average closer to 10% and under.
	Thus, the "no dicker sticker" rap serves the Saturn dealer quite well.

		Dave


Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: CONSUMER REPORTS
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:43:10 GMT

Sorry for any typos in the previous message. Oh, and I meant Toyota
Supra not Toyota Celica Supra.


john

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