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From: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Yung C. Liang)
Subject: The Head of Department of Commerce in Univ. of Wollongong
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:26:07 GMT

Dear Netter, 

Someone in this university is seeking for the following information.

Who is the Head of Department(Faculty ?) of Commerce in the University
of Wollongong, NSW.  What is his name, his telephone no. & FAX no. and e-mail
address if any.

Can someone in the University of Wollongong care to help to provide
the information.  Thanks a lot.

Best regards,  
Yung C. Liang
e-mail: elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.asean
From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:27:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.062602.25371@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, steve@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Steve Balogh (+61 3 565 4747)) writes:
> In article <1992Jul25.174053.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
>>
>>I did not even say they were your laws..!   Talk about sycophantic attitudes!
>                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
> I don't think he will be able to understand this word....

[giggle]

>>I was using the example to show YOUR double standard by saying the prince CAN
>>IGNORE AUSTRALIAN LAWS.  So FOAD.
>                              ^^^^
> This may need spelling out as well. I don't think it is in the dictionary.

[uproarious laughter]
 
>>Please shut up.  You are making an absolute fool of yourself in a multinational
>>newsgroup.
> 
> You can't make him shut up. He is a fanatic.

[uncontrollable urination!]

He's a fundy!

Don't worry, were out to get Islam, and Salman Rushdie is our leader!  NOT!
Rod
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: Richard Mlynarik <Mly@LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Boggs (nothing to do with Australia's new $5 note)
Reply-To: Mly@LCS.MIT.EDU
Organization: Xerox PARC, Palo Alto, CA
	<1992Jul13.225642.2910@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
Date: 20 Jul 92 23:39:15

In article <1992Jul13.225642.2910@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards) writes:

   There is an American artist (I don't remember his name) who draws and
   paints banknotes.  He does large canvases, but also actual-size drawings,
   which he then takes to stores where he attempts to buy things with them.
   He always makes it very clear that the items are not real money, that they
   are artwork he has created.  When he gets someone to sell him something in
   exchange for his drawings, he puts the items and drawings on display.

   He mostly does American currency, but has also done Australian, for which
   he was arrested.  The case was dismissed because he never, in any way, gave
   anyone the impression that they were anything but his own artwork.  He then
   put all of the court papers and trial evidence in glass cases and put it
   all on display at his next showing.

This has nothing to do with Australia, but is pretty entertaining all
the same.

The artist's name is J. S. G. Boggs.

Boggs was arrested, tried and found not guilty in the city of London.

See the essay "Bogg's Bills" by Lawrence Wechsler, which originally
appeared in the New Yorker circa 1987 and is reprinted in a very
entertaining book of his essays "Shapinsky's Karma, Bogg's Bills"
San Francisco: North Point Press 1988 0-86547-317-x (The North Point
Press is, alas, no more.  The book is presently being remaindered in
the USA and one can pick up a copy of one's own for a few dollars.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.asean,aus.general,aus.flame
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Loving Malaysian Prince:New Developments
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:44:04 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England

>From: kcj@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Kate Juliff)
>
>I agree. I think we should all ignore him and he'll go away. He
>obviously knows nothing about the case. We know the mother gave
>the children over for access, and it is the father who has
>taken the children from their home... not even letting
>them say goodbye to their friends. We know that the father has broken
>the law. But Othman Ahmad likes to sound off without knowing
>(because he doesn't want to?) the facts. He ignored my posting,
>just wrote an insult. I think it is because I am
>a woman. He seems to have a thing about women. So let's ignore him.
>He can't get any satisfaction if we do that.
>-- 
>Kate Juliff                           | kcj@matilda.vut.edu.au
>Victoria University                   |
>P.O. BOX 14428,                       |
>MELBOURNE MAIL CENTRE, AUSTRALIA 3000 |

	Hello Kate:(Hope you are not working too late these days)

	It is sad that Othman refused to answer your questions.
	I hope that his motive was not that you are a woman. I guess
	he has been overwelmed over this issue. On discussing an issue
	like this one I guess Othman swallowed more than he can
	accommodate. This is a very thorny issue that involved womens
	rights and the family law in Australia and Malysia.

	It is true that the kids were taken illegally and we all might
	have sympathies with the kids and their mother. When it comes to
	reality and international law this isssue goes far beyond 
	emtions and sympathy to the complications of the law. While 
	I lived in the USA I used to hear about so many cases of child 
	abduction by one of the parents mainly to Europe in each case 
	it was like impossible to get the kids back.

	While my sympathy goes to the children who were stolen from
	their mother I want to raise this point: 

	Even though I have absolute support of giving custody of the
	children to their mother I still cannot understand how did she
	want to use the religious upbringing of the childrten to upset
	her ex-Husband. From my experience of inter-Religious marriages
	between Christian women and Muslim men I understnad that the
	mother at one stage converted to Islam specially if she has
	really gone to Malysia, this involves a committment from her
	side to bring up the kids as Muslims.

	The moral point is that: Does she have the right to go back on
	her promise?

	I personally do not approve of using the Children as abargaining
	chip when the problems happen. Was not it better if the children
	were brought in a secular way and be left to choose when they
	are adults.?

A Jaber
From: ska@hercules.acpub.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Info wanted from Univ. of Newcastle
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:32:16 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Originator: ska@teer4.acpub.duke.edu

G'day netters:

    I need an urgent favor from  netters  at the University of Newcastle
in Callaghan, NSW. The International Federation of Automatic Control (IFAC)
has scheduled the IFAC World Congress '93 to be held in Sydney
under the aegis of the Dept. of Electronic and Computer Engineering, Univ.
of Newcastle. The conference will be held July 19-23 1993  and five copies 
of draft papers are due July 31st 1992. I saw the Conference announcement 
in the IEEE Control Systems Magazine. 

    My problem is that the announcement failed to provide the names of the 
local  (US based) conference organizors whom I could contact for detailed 
information.

   Could some kind netter please call the ECE Dept. in the Univ. of Newcastle,
find out the names of the US based contacts  and email me at 
ska@raphael.acpub.duke.edu ? Thanks very much in advance.

--santosh ananthraman
  duke university robotics laboratory
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Loving Malaysian Prince: New Developments 
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Jul27.113752.1272@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:13:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.113752.1272@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

   The above do not tell the WHOLE STORY/TRUTH. What do you expect from Chinese
									^^^^^^^
   Journalists/editors.

Sir, being a Chinese, I find that absolutely insulting!!!  What gives you the
right to throw racial biases around like that?  


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.asean
From: kcj@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Kate Juliff)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra, Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 07:32:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.070049.28822@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> steve@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Steve Balogh (+61 3 565 4747)) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.045038.6263@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>>
>>You are absolutely right. The children come at their own free will. Not
>>kidnapped. They do not care about Australian Law. What they care for is their
>>father.
>>	No matter how hard the mother try to separate them from their fathers,
>>they would not listen. RESPECT their RIGHTS as a HUMAN BEING.

>WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!!!!!! Othman Ahmad, you speak BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

I agree. I think we should all ignore him and he'll go away. He
obviously knows nothing about the case. We know the mother gave
the children over for access, and it is the father who has
taken the children from their home... not even letting
them say goodbye to their friends. We know that the father has broken
the law. But Othman Ahmad likes to sound off without knowing
(because he doesn't want to?) the facts. He ignored my posting,
just wrote an insult. I think it is because I am
a woman. He seems to have a thing about women. So let's ignore him.
He can't get any satisfaction if 
we do that.


>

>
>> Maybe You are the one who hates their fathers? Western people are not
>>well taught to respect elders, am I right?.
>
>PISS OFF YOU IDIOTIC FOOL!!!!!!
>


>
-- 
Kate Juliff                           | kcj@matilda.vut.edu.au
Victoria University                   |
P.O. BOX 14428,                       |
MELBOURNE MAIL CENTRE, AUSTRALIA 3000 |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: kcj@vulcan.anu.edu.au (Kate Juliff)
Subject: Re: Loving Malaysian Prince:New Developments
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra, Australia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 09:07:17 GMT

In article <3643@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:
>>
>	It is sad that Othman refused to answer your questions.
>	I hope that his motive was not that you are a woman. I guess
>	he has been overwelmed over this issue. On discussing an issue
>	like this one I guess Othman swallowed more than he can
>	accommodate. This is a very thorny issue that involved womens
>	rights and the family law in Australia and Malysia.
>
>	It is true that the kids were taken illegally and we all might
>	have sympathies with the kids and their mother. When it comes to
>	reality and international law this isssue goes far beyond 
>	emtions and sympathy to the complications of the law. While 
>	I lived in the USA I used to hear about so many cases of child 
>	abduction by one of the parents mainly to Europe in each case 
>	it was like impossible to get the kids back.
>
[deletion to save bandwidth]
>	The moral point is that: Does she have the right to go back on
>	her promise?

Not really. But the issue is more than that, as you say.
>

>	I personally do not approve of using the Children as abargaining
>	chip when the problems happen. Was not it better if the children
>	were brought in a secular way and be left to choose when they
>	are adults.?
>

I totally agree with you. It would have been much better and
fairer had the children been raised to know about both religions,
and to then have been able to decide when they were older. Still that
has not happened, and I think she has lost the children now.




-- 
Kate Juliff                           | kcj@matilda.vut.edu.au
Victoria University                   |
P.O. BOX 14428,                       |
MELBOURNE MAIL CENTRE, AUSTRALIA 3000 |
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: peta@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Peter Whaite)
Subject: Re: Loving Malaysian Prince:New Developments
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:47:36 GMT

In article <3643@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber) writes:
>
>	It is true that the kids were taken illegally and we all might
>	have sympathies with the kids and their mother. When it comes to
>	reality and international law this isssue goes far beyond 
>	emtions and sympathy to the complications of the law. While 
>	I lived in the USA I used to hear about so many cases of child 
>	abduction by one of the parents mainly to Europe in each case 
>	it was like impossible to get the kids back.

And just to be fair it goes the other way too.  There was a case recently
where hubbie from the USA came up here to Canada and snatched "his" kids.  The
Canadian courts had given her custody, but he had in the meantime managed to
get a judge in the states give him custody.  She could not afford to fight a
custody battle in the states -- there is just not the same in the way of legal
aid there.  This was some months ago. I do not know the outcome.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.asean
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Subject: Aussies and the Olypmics                    
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:29:00 GMT

   People !

 I'm sure that us Aussies that only have access to US TV and radio
would love to read about how the Australian team is doing in the
Olympics. 

 BTW, just to add a thought to the pay-TV proposals - you can watch
the Olympics here in the States on 2 special cable channels - and
at a bargain price of a little less than $9/day.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: Andrew.Robinson@anu.edu.au
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 07:15:51 GMT

In article <12428@inews.intel.com> shahrul@mipos3.UUCP (Shahrul Yazid Yahaya)
writes:
>
>	If he can get out of Australia, then you should question how
>	can Australian govt let it happened, not Malaysian govt. 

[chomp]

>	Other news says the mother has become murtad ie no longer
>	confess Islam. If this is true, then the mother no longer
>	has a custody to the children (if she had it before) according
>	to Islamic law, as far as I know. And Islamic law applies to
>	all Muslims no matter what country they are in. (Note: this
>	doesn't means that I justify the way the children are taken)

I believe that the children are no longer in Islam either. Apparently they have
been accepted into the Anglican church.

However, I also believe that the children were born in Malaysia, and are _not_
Australian citizens.

Can anyone confirm or deny these things?

regardless,
Andrew

now hit d
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:56:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.174053.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:

: 
: Please shut up.  You are making an absolute fool of yourself in a multinational
I am tired arguing with you even in written medium. Your last phrase sums it
all.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.asean
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:30:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.013442.11064@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:
|In article <thos.711874284@suite.sw.oz.au>, thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
|> 
|> In <1992Jul22.045043.14744@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <2774@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> stong@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (Simon Tong) writes:
|> 

......deleted...............

|Actually, that has A LOT to do with it. If we PRESUMED that the wife was a Malaysian
|at the time of her marriage, and her kids were Malaysians at the time of their birth,
|then it must be asked - HOW did they become Australians subsequently? Did the mother
|'kidnap' them and bring them to Australia where she and they became Australian citizens?
|So far, we have heard a great deal of speculation but very few pertinent facts. If we
|presumed that the Malaysian courts granted the divorce and the custody to the mother,
|then there should be no problem - prince or no prince, we can reasonably expect the
|Malaysian government(Federal) to return the children, and Daddy will be dealt with.
|

The Prince met his ex-wife in Melbourne, Australia when he was studying
in Melbourne Uni. She was an Australian citizen when she first met him,
I don't know if she became Malaysian Citizen when she married the prince.
Her children had Australian birth certificates and were Australian citizens
at the time of their birth (I don't know how).


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From: nsp00@ccc.amdahl.com (Nigel S Pope)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: New Dollars, Budgets, IOUs
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:27:35 GMT
Reply-To: nsp00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


....Talking of IOUs.  The government in California is having trouble
passing the budget (the Demon-crats, who hold the majority, and the
Governor can't agree) and so they can't spend any money at the moment.

As a result, they are issuing IOU's as pay-checks and soem of the bigger
banks are making noises about not paying out on thees IOUs as they might
be contributing to the stale-mate.

There have been a few states here, in the last couple of years, that have
gone broke.  Not that CA is broke, they just can't spend any money.

What happend when Victoria had money problems back in '90?  Did they
do a similar thing, ie: issue IOU's to state employees?  I don't know
if I'd be happy accepting an IOU from any govermnetn, they seem to break
all other promises.

....now, back to your regularly scheduled broadcast...

PS: Sorry 'bout the typos but it is past the Withching hour.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:59:58 GMT

In article <thos.712199086@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:

: Othman accuses her of blabbering nonsensem, and then indirectly calls
I was told to shut up so how can I respond.
: her a fool. I thought Islam honoured learning? Othman certainly doesn't
At least you know something about ISLAM. In fact learning is the PURPOSE of
LIFE.
: seem to. (he certainly doensn't show any).
Judged by someone who tells that guy to shut up, and complain that he is not
learned, when that guy tries to summarise his views, without talking.

Of course it is useless, why did you? Or are you trying to stop me from
speaking the truth?

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

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From: ooi@sol.acs.unt.edu (Reika Kii)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Loving Malaysian Prince: New Developments
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:47:37 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas

eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Berita Harian, Singapore(Page 2):
>Almost the same as the above except:
>Picture of Raja Kamrul Baharin with a document not clear on the Newspaper,
>with description translated like:

>SHOW EVIDENCE: Raja Baharin showed photostatic copies of birth certificates of
>his 2 children who were born in Kuala Trengganu.
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>TUNJUK BUKTI: Raja Baharin menunjukkan salina fotosta sijil kelahiran kedua-dua
>anaknya yang dilahirkan di Kuala Lumpur - Gambar Bernama
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Are both sentences the same?  Were they actually born in Kuala
Trengganu or Kuala Lumpur?  Or Kuala Trengganu has just changed its name
to Kuala Lumpur or vise versa?  ;-)


-Reika-
From: khoo@python.icsl.ucla.edu (Mr. Cool)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Loving Malaysian Prince:New Developments
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:09:12 GMT
Organization: University of California at Los Angeles, EE Dept.

In article <1992Jul27.113752.1272@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> 
 eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>
>The above do not tell the WHOLE STORY/TRUTH. What do you expect from Chinese
>Journalists/editors.
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,

Well, we expect any journalists/editors to report news truthfully.
If they don't, they are bad journalists/editors.

Oh, by the way, Othman Ahmad, try not to talk too much,
you need all the rest you can get after your brain by-pass
surgery.  Take care.


Kei-Yong
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