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From: mowbray@mitre.org (Tom Mowbray)
Subject: sourdough without added yeast?
Keywords: sourdough no yeast
Organization: self
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:22:49 GMT

I have a flour/water/milk sourdough culture living in my refrigerator,
and I have made some delicious breads with recipies from the
"Bread Machine Cookbook", although I don't use a bread machine....
(it broke and went back to the store).
All of the sourdough recipies I have, require added yeast,
about as much yeast as needed for regular bread recipies.

Does anyone know of any good recipies that rely only on sourdough
for leavening?  I'd like to make bread without "store-bought" yeast sometime.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.food.sourdough
From: arfg9274@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Audrey R. Forster)
Subject: Re: Potato Water Starter
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:45:13 GMT

jgostin@mal-s1.gatech.edu (Jill Gostin) writes:

>I've been playing around trying to make a starter from potato water.
>My first two times I failed. Now, on my third attempt, the starter
>turned out ok so I went ahead and made some bread... not as strong
>of a sourdough taste as I like, but it's there! 
>The only difference between my first attempts and this one -- I used
>a plastic container to mix the potato water and flour in, and left it 
>on the counter for 24 hrs. -- the first ones I put in 
>the oven with just the oven light on (in a glass container). Perhaps 
>my oven light is too hot??

>Has anyone else tried making their own starter from potato water??

I made my first and only starter from flour, potato water and the strained
potatoes boiled in the water.  I let it sit in a glass jar on the counter
for 3 days, stirring periodically.  It got appropriately smelly, etc.

I try to use it weekly.  It usually takes it a long time to leaven
the dough if I don't use any other yeast (6 hrs for the first rise, 2 for
the second, 1.5 for the third) (though once it did produce a loaf in about
a third that time;  I still haven't figured out what I did right that
then :)  Given the long rise time, I get a _very_ distinct sourdough
taste.  I don't put the starter in the oven (I have a gas stove) though
I do put the sponge in there overnight (my kitchen is frigid in the winter).
I also don't usually feed the starter potato water, just regular water
and flour. 

>jibg
>Jill Butterfield Gostin                EMAIL: jgostin@mal-s1.gatech.edu

-Audrey Forster
arfg9274@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.sourdough
From: jeffq@crchh318.BNR.CA (Jeff Quinn)
Subject: Re: sourdough without added yeast?
Keywords: sourdough no yeast
Reply-To: jeffq@crchh318.BNR.CA (Jeff Quinn)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:13:33 GMT

ok, from the FAQ server (ftp.ils.nwu.edu under the pub/sourdough directory):

file FAQ.recipes.v1.0 has a recipe that I have made twice now,I just started
this myself, which is excellent, thanks to whoever sent this in - I'm anxious 
to try some of the other recipes that people have sent.

Anyway, here's the recipe:


9) Sourdough White Bread

                      My Favorite White Bread Recipe

This is my bread recipe that all of my friends say is the best.  I have made
it literally hundreds of times.  It is good sandwich bread, and makes
outrageoustoast.

I am going to assume that you are familiar with sourdough techniques.  I am
a recently joined member of this mailing list, so I don't know what's already
been distributed, and I don't want to bore you if you already know the basics.
Alternately, I have a discussion of basic sourdough techniques published in a
local cookbook; I could reproduce that here if there is sufficient interest.

Start by making starter (of course!).  For this recipe, I use:

                "Sourdough Bread Batter"
1 C starter
2 C warm water
2.5 C flour
    Allow to proof overnight, 8-15 hours.

    yields:  1 C starter to return, 2.5 C starter to bake

The recipe:

2.5 C sourdough bread batter
1.5 C water (or milk, or 1 C yogurt + .5 C water)
    -- make sure water is warm, else scald milk in microwave
2 T sugar
2 T melted butter
2 t salt
3-4.5 C flour
    yields:  2 loaves

1. Add 1 C flour to starter.  Mix in liquid, then sugar, salt, and butter.

2. Add flour until dough turns from sides of bowl.

3. Turn out onto kneading board and knead in .5 - 1 C more C of flour.

4. Let proof until doubled in bulk.  For us sourdough users, this can be
a LONG   proof, depending on how cold the flour was when we started. 
Plan on no less   than 2 hours, possible 3.

5. Punch down, let rise again (about 1 hour).

6. Turn out, punch down, shape into loaves.

7. Let rise about halfway (approximately 30 minutes), then bake in a preheated
   375 degrees F oven 45-50 minutes.

8. Turn out onto cooling racks, allow to completely cool before wrapping.  You
   may optionally brush the loaves with water or melted butter while
still warm,   but I don't usually bother.

I had a friend who recently called me in a panic after she made this for the
first time, because the crust was hard :-).  As a matter of fact, the crust
softens quite a bit in about a day.  Isn't all sourdough bread this way?

I have also added 1.5 C grated sharp cheese before adding the flour.  If you
do this, be careful with the cooking time; the bread will brown much easier.
From: albcraj@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (Craig Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.food.sourdough
Subject: Request for FTP site
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:30:41 GMT
Followup-To: rec.food.sourdough
Organization: Public Macs, Yale University

What's the ftp address for sourdough archives?  I've lost it . . .		
Something like ftp.???.nwu.edu


Craig     albcraj@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: goan@cs.washington.edu (Terrance Goan)
Subject: Ferret hair loss
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 02:45:27 GMT

My ferret (6 years old) has fairly sparse tail hair.  Over the summer
it was just about bald, but now its just a little sparse.  My wife
was going to take it to a vet because she is a worrier, but I was
hoping that I could find evidence that this is not uncommon. Anyone?

TJ.
From: bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Ferret Hiccups
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:21:37 GMT

>>	I never knew ferrets could *hiccup*! 

> My ferret Nina hiccups all the time.  I think its relatively 

How about snoring?  I occasionally hear loud snoring noises coming from
under my bed.  It took me a while to figure out that it's Dr. Pepper
doing the snoring. (I found out when he curled up under the covers
with me a few nights ago and started to snore)
--
Brian Millham     |Kitty      |Fletch |Dragon's Lair |Kick Man |New World
AT&T Bell Labs    |Ferrah     |Buddy  |Space Ace     |Sinistar |High Speed
Denver, Co.       |Dr. Pepper |       |              |         |
bdm@druwa.att.com |(ferrets)  |(cats) |(laser disc)  |(video)  |(pinball)
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: bunny's new favorite food...
Keywords: help! nervous bunny mom!
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:15:25 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

But  ...  but  ...  but ... you also need a spiritual bond:

                     Do the Forehead Presses with your Bun.

Also, try gently stroking the backside (i.e. top side) of the Bun's hands.

You can also learn to read the Bun's body language. When he gets up
(sometimes quite suddenly, but that's rabbits for ya !) and does the
mini-twirl and shakes his head and ears to fluff things up, that's
usually a signal to you that the Bun wants to play. At this moment, go
into your circle-running enticement mode. After several weeks of doing
this, my Bun has succesfully trained me, the human, in his specific
play patterns.

For the truly adventurous: stroke the fur on the Bun's backside
backwards. My Bun loves it. I just stroke him forward and backward and
pretty soon he's fluffier than goose down, and looks like a porcupine
in profile.
-- 
Michael MY Hui  ~{PmCw6w~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
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From: beckers@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Becki Kain)
Subject: enemies of carpet sharks
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:29:13 GMT

it never ceases to amaze me how viciously these sweet little fur balls destroy
a box of kleenex.  it's good that they are protecting all of us humans.

heehee

beckers
tieke, tavi, tigger, nero, escher, sephus 
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Subject: Re: Ferret Hiccups
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:14:10 CST

>Does anyone else have a ferret with a major "clucker" voice.  One of
>mine "Crazy Girl" starts burrowing under the sheets of a bed while
>loudly going "cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck" for about 5 minutes
>straight.  It's almost like sonar in the darkness.

One of my female ferrets, Nina, does this.  Especially when
she is playing with humans.  I will squeak her squeaky toy.  She
will make all sorts of clucking noises.  And when she finally gets it,
she will make this hissing noise.  Its kind of strange.  My other ferret
makes no noise whatsoever.  But Nina, when I wake her up in the morning
and craddle her in my arms, she makes a whining kind of noise.  At first
when she started doing it, I thought I was hurting her, but after awhile
I realized I wasn't, and now she does it every time I pick her up from
a nap.  Its like when humans make stretchy noises when they wake up,
I guess.

>
>And as long as we've stooped to this level of ferret stories...does
>everybody elses's ferret do that out-of-the-litter-box "butt-wipe (tm)"?

YES!  Its a good way to tell if they have actually gone.  Especially when
you are training them to use the litter box.  If you reward them everytime
they use it, they will start pretending to use it.  But if they don't 
wipe their hinnies on the carpet you know they were just faking it.

Happy ferrets :*)

Chris.

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From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Subject: Re: littertraining ferrets
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:43:54 CST

In article <BzBGMr.Euo@news.udel.edu> graziano@ravel.udel.edu (Lisa Marie Graziano) writes:
>
>I need some advice- how do you stop a ferret from going to the bathroom
>anywhere he wants to?  As in any and all corners?  He knows what he's
>supposed to do and carefully uses his box when I'm there.  My female
>(Hava) has never once in 5 years gone on the floor.  but I'm afraid she
>may start, since Cheerio does it all the time.  

LITTER TRAINING:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
First, limit your ferret to a small area so he learns where his
litter box (boxes) is (are).  Gradually expand the area (especially 
if you plan to let him/her have free run of your home).  
The larger the area the more litter boxes you will need.  
Put newspapers in all the corners until you are sure he won't 
use them, that he is comfortable with his current litter box 
arrangement, and that way it is much easier to clean up his mistakes.  
Also, leave some feces in the litter box, otherwise he might think
it is his new fun sandbox and play and dig in it and not "go" in it.

If he chooses a corner you really don't want him to use, 
set a dish of food there.

Or try splashing vinegar in the corner - they hate the smell,
you can also using rubbing alcohol, but the smell doesn't last
as long.

To get stains our of carpet, use a mixture of 1/4 vinegar and 3/4
club (white) soda.  This is useful for any pet stains.  




Hope this helps a little.
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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: urf@icl.se (Urban F)
Subject: Re: Fussy Ferrets and food
Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself.
X-Alt.reply-Address: n.g.u.fredriksson.swe2001@oasis.icl.co.uk
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:48:41 GMT

idg39@jester.usask.ca (Gowsell) writes:


>I have read several comments on what different ferrets will and won't 
>eat.

Oh yes, they can be fussy. What you should know is that during their
first 90 days they are imprinted on what they eat, and that will 
remain their favourite food for the rest of their lives.

>So, what do your critters like?

I've got one who likes hard crisp bread. Otherwise their favourite
foods are salami, raisins and pork. Natasha you can get to eat
something new in a day or two, Allison usually takes a week to
start eating something new, the crisp bread is an exception.
Natasha hunts flies and eats them. (I think they like ants too, as
they are very fascinated by old rotten tree stumps.)
--
 Urban Fredriksson  urf@icl.se  
 (When writing about ferrets, please include "ferret" in the subject line
 as it guarantees I will read it (unless you cross-post to talk.bizarre or
 misc.test: I never see such articles.(If you use nn, I can tell you how.)))
From: njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Getting buns to eat their veggies (was Re: bunny's new favorite food...)
Summary: Be persistent
Keywords: help! nervous bunny mom!
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:36:55 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO

In article <1g8r8rINN7mj@overload.lbl.gov>, horsman@geo.lbl.gov (Jennifer Horsman) writes:
> My friend's rabbit (Nikki) won't eat anything but her pellets, hay and
> papaya tablets. We have tried every good treat and a few bad ones and
> nothing pleases her. She is just picky I guess.

There are picky rabbits, but a bit of fruit or vegetable every day is good for
them, so it's a good idea to be persistent.  Pick a single item that most bunnies
love (bananas is a good choice).  Leave a small piece for several hours every day
(but be sure not to leave it long enough to go bad).  You might encourage her by
crushing the papaya tablet that she DOES like on it.  If, after 10 days, she
hasn't touched that item, try something else that's fairly different (radish or
carrot greens would be a good choice).  

I'll bet you'll find at least a few things she'll eat if you do this.  (I've had
two bunnies in my foster area like this and both are beginning to be a bit more
open-minded to new things, and both are eating several things of the veggie/fruit
variety.

Nancy LaRoche (HRS)
att!drutx!njl
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca (Jason Richard Blakey)
Subject: Royal(ball) Pythons
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
  Anyone had any luck getting them to eat?? Any tips of any kind relavant? 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:13:34 GMT

-Jason


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
Subject: Apartment Dogs
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:03:20 GMT

	I'd like to add my comments to those of others who have successfully
lived in an apartment with a dog. After my husband and I first got married, we
moved into an apartment while we were saving our money for the downpayment on
a house. I badly wanted a dog and purchased a breed which many of you will
probably think is one of the more inappropriate breeds for apartment life -
a Siberian Husky. I feel that Tanaga had a happy, normal puppyhood is spite of
being an apartment dog. Along with trips outdoors for "bathroom breaks", he
went for a long walk every morning and when he was older, we'd go jogging
together. In addition, we went to obedience classes every week for about a year
(don't worry, they didn't make us repeat the same class, we moved up into the
advanced classes). When Tanaga turned 1 1/2, we were able to move into our
first home (with a fenced yard) and purchase our second puppy. Was Tanaga
happier in his new home with a big yard and a new canine friend to chase around
for hours every day? I'm not so sure, because once we had a fenced yard the
jogging sessions stopped (and I gained 10 lbs.!). Even though Tanaga was
spending more time outdoors and probably getting more exercise, I could tell
that he kind of missed the jogging based on the level of excitment he would
exhibit at the sight of his leash and collar. Of course, we could have continued
the jogging, but I was too busy with all the yard and house work that I needed
to do with my new home.
	Tanaga is 11 1/2 now and has never been sick a day in his life. He's
trained many a golden puppy in the fine art of disobedience through the years
and currently has a 1.5 acres "enclosed" with an invisible fence to roam in when
he's not indoors. Even though he started out as an "apartment dog", I don't
think he's had a bad life. Except maybe, for missing the jogging now!

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Sandra Augustine  |Home of: Conformation, obedience, and field titled Golden
NORWOOD KENNELS   |Retrievers who do therapy dog work, a disobedient but
ems: sla54@cas.org|beautiful Siberian husky and a *cute* Norfolk terrier puppy
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:50:40 GMT

>
|>In <1992Dec17.160309.1893@msus1.msus.edu> kevin@msus1.msus.edu writes:
|>
|>>In article <168C0CDCC.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu>,
|>CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
|>>> .soapbox off
|>
|>>So lets see...my options are none?  If I hunt, live in the city, and
|>can't
|>>afford to buy a house I can't have a hunting dog or in your opinion
|>any dog?
|>
|>>I see.
|>>Is this the opinion of most of you netters?
|
ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NOT!

Kay and Crew
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: the chewing machine
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:14:41 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
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: Yup, even my "power chewing ACDs" (great description Karen !) haven't 
: destroyed their KONGS.  I just sorta live with the fact that I have chewing
: machines........my monthly rawhide and hoof budget is high, but it keeps
: my kids happy :-).

Gaia loves her kongs, but between the ones she's demolished and the ones
that Dan has lost, we go through a lot.  Dan once threw one of the water
kongs (with the rope) into an Oregon blackberry bush about 20 ft in diameter.
Even Gaia drew the line about finding that one.  Dan got dirty looks for a
while, as Gaia thought that he should get it. :)  

Karen
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs and bedding
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:32:32 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <1glb9eINNmfq@morrow.stanford.edu> liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU writes:

> I have several labs right now in various stages of development.  Puppies
> get a blanket until they show signs of shredding them. 
> Then, they don't get anything until they are older.  The adults get
> blankets but ONLY because they won't shred or destroy them.  
> 

I find that those old cotton throw-rugs work well.  Y'know, the kind your
grandmother used to have on the floor in front of the kitchen sink?


------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: the chewing machine
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:26:39 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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prison or bust. (01smpowell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu) wrote:

: we've got a couple of dogs, a 4 month old purebred doberman
: and a scruffy terrier mutt that looks like benji...
: cordo (the terrier mix) can eat ANYTHING.
: beefhide is gone in a matter of minutes, cow hooves last maybe a day and
: a half, rope toys are shredded if left on the floor for longer than five
: minutes. if i give her something harder, like a soup bone, she buries it 
: under my blankets or under the sofa...
: she even consumed an entire nylabone!
: at least she doesn't chew anything that she is supposed to, but
: there's gotta be a dog toy that'll withstand this mighty chewing machine...

: any suggestions?

See the thread on kongs.  You might try the black one, as it is tougher. 
Don't let Gaia's experiences throw you, I only know 1 other dog who has
had the same type of record.  He's a power-chewing Australian Cattle Dog.

Karen 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Please send advice about Dacshund!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:56:42 GMT

I posted a mesasage asking for advice about my friend's neurotic Dacshund,
Max, but I haven't had any replies yet :(

In case you missed the message, the dog was cured of his overly submissive
attitude and submissive urination problem. Then, suddenly, the dog began
exhibiting very odd agressive behavior in the form of snapping and growling.
He also began pooping on and under the beds and would no longer 'go' outside.
When crated, he put his butt to the door and pooped through the bars.
He does not respond submissively to an alpha roll.

I have more info now on the bite incident. The dog was lying on the floor
with one off Lee's little boys and the boy rolled over, AWAY from the dog.
The dog jumped up and bit him under the eye, not breaking the skin. After
this, the dog became VERY submissve, even before anybody could make a move to
discipline him.

Since this dog had an abused puppyhood, found by Lee nearly dead in a shed, I
am worried that he's just a couple beers short of a six-pack and may never be
a very safe dog to have around the kids. I have suggested a trip to the vet
to check for possible physical problems, but that the family might have to
face having him euthanised. Can anybody suggest possible causes for this
behaviour and any way we could go about changing it? Or do you think this dog
is just too unsafe to take more chances with? I would normally think it was a
dominance problem, but he seems to jump so much between dominance and
submissiveness that I can't help thinking there is more to it than that.
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: larsen@progress.COM (Jeff  Larsen)
Subject: Re: Names for male dog starting with 'B' needed
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:44:26 GMT

mgtaylor@eos.ncsu.edu (Mary Molly G Taylor) writes:

>In article <Bz3sFn.K0u@acsu.buffalo.edu> kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle) writes:
>>If he's a goof....Beanhead, Birdbrain.
>>If he's mischeivous...Beelzebub.
>>If he's regal...Balthazar, Baron.
>>If he's huge...Bear, Brutus, Bruno.
>>If he's reddish in color...Bronze.
>>If he's snobbish...Beauregard.
>>If he likes good rock music....Boston.
>>If he likes poetry....Browning, Byron.
>>If he's the runt of the litter...Binky.

>If he likes beer....Budweiser.

>>ALL of the above were meant with a big *SMILE*!!
>>
>>:)  

If he's got a big nose:  BullWinkle.


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