Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Guangxi during CR
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:13:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.195929.4251@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
>In article <1isr63INNf3o@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
>> In article <ll3p7aINNsg@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>> 
>> 
>>>>
>>>Chinese people, especially Chinese intellectuals studied/are studying 
>>>overseas are responsibile for, major part if not all, letting the minority 
>>>takings hands on destruction. Why there was no single voice out loud 
>>>against the red guards? Afterwards, only blamed on four gangs, was that 
>>>the real problem cause? 
>>>
>>>Well, you raised good questions there, but I don't think the Chinese people
>in general should be hold responsible for CR.  Let's try to understand
>historical events from historical perspective.  During CR, yes, many people
>actually stood up against the Revolution, but they were either put into jail,
>exiled, or killed as counter-revolutionaries.  In those years, dictators such
>as the Gang of Four, especially Mao had absolute power. They were above the law
>and above the people.  People were tight controled and had had no power under
>dictatorship.  In my opinion, no specific individuals except for Mao and the
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>Gang of Four should be blamed. Instead, we should rationally examine the
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I disagree.  It's like saying Nazi Germany was only the fault of Hilter,
Goering, Gobbel, and a few others.  and all their SS troops are innocent,
a bet after 1945 all the gas chamber operators at Aushwiz(sp?) would
yell "look, they force me into it, I am innocent", while only a couple
of years ago they were enjoying eliminating fellow human beings with
no remorse whatsoever.  sure some of them were forced to do it, but
there sure was a lot of excited sh*theads and rednecks madly following
their great leader.  

if we still blame everything on the "bad emperor" and "a few evil ministers"
and "bad bad consort and enunches in inner court" like we've been doing
for thousands of years, then we are ignoring the problem, and sooner
or later national stupidities like CR will repeat itself.  

>political system.  Had there been a democracy then, CR would not have happened. 
had there been a democracy, opium will still be legal, men would still
have lots of wives, ... remember, democracy is not magic medicine, and
it doesn't work when the majority of the mass don't participate, and
besides, during CR people really totally expresses themselves, didn't they?
open support or oppose something, someone, and "fight" for it, democracy
doesn't even have a chance if the people don't know what "democracy" means.  

>We need to work together to change the system from monocracy to democracy
>should those historic trgidies no replay in the future.  Let's stop bashing one
>another irrationally.
>>>
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