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From: fineberg@win31.nas.nasa.gov (Samuel A. Fineberg)
Subject: Re: MC's Jurassic Park (possible SPOILER)
Organization: CSC, NASA Ames Research Center, NAS Division
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 22:05:42 GMT
Reply-To: fineberg@nas.nasa.gov

In article <By4zCL.BI3@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, vaughanj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jake Vaughan) writes:
|> >The whole idea of Spielberg making Jurassic Park is a major disappointment.
|> >I really can't say that I much enjoyed any of Spielbergs movies and he
|> >absolutely has no idea how to do a hardcore SF movie. I wish a real director
|> >or at least someone whose managed to grow up, would get a chance at such
|> >prime material.
|> >
|> >-- 
|> >
|> >Roland Besserer
|> >QUAD Systems
|> >roland@quadsys.com
|> 
|> I am very sorry to hear this.  I for one rank Spielberg up there with some of the greats: David Lean, George Lucas,...
|> It is true that "Hook" wasn't all that great but there are always exceptions in a directors success.
|> 
|> **____________________=============-==============______________________**
|>      Jake Vaughan                    "[Marriage] - it's as demoralizing
|>                                       as cigarettes and far more expen-
|>                                       sive." 
|>                                                       - Oscar Wilde
|>   vaughanj@sage.cc.purdue.edu
|> **____________________=============-==============______________________**
Somehow I can't see David Lean doing "The Goonies."

Sam
From: myra@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Myra VanInwegen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: spike lee &  boston celtics
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:07:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov18.212243.27945@u.washington.edu>
iho@cac.washington.edu writes:
>reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>> By the way, if people are skipping his films because they don't like
>> Lee personally, you are missing some very good films.  
>> whether you agree with him, Lee is a talented filmmaker whose films 
>> don't resemble anyone else's.  There is strong artistic merit in Lee's
>> films, and those serious about film are making a mistake if they skip
>> his films.

>I've seen a few of his films (_Do_The_Right_Thing_, _Mo'_Better_Blues_,
>and _Jungle_Fever_) and have to disagree with you.  While they were
>interesting to watch, I wouldn't have minded missing them.  

>  His movies incorporate a lot of very
>stylistic elements and uniquely innovative techniques.  

You wouldn't have missed them despite their use of these uniquely
innovative techniques? Maybe your disagrement with the content is
blinding you to their artistic merit, which even you admit.

I would certainly have missed seeing DO THE RIGHT THING. Even if you
ignore the plot and characters completely (I think it would be a shame
to do this, BTW) there's still plenty there to make it worth watching.
It is quite obvious that this man takes great pains to use the screen
for more than just a place for him to tell a story. He fills the
screen with vibrant colors, different camera angles, and effective
uses of different types of lenses (thinking of one great use of a
wide-angle lens) ... I'd say more but I haven't seen the film in a few
years and don't remember all the great trick he made to make this
movie a real treat for the eye.

>It's also blatantly obvious that
>the movies were written and directed by a black person,

Am I supposed to think that there's something wrong with this?

>and I think there's a lot more to life than that.

WHAT? Let's not just think of this movie, but consider American movies
as a whole. The vast majority of them are written and directed by
whites (specifically white males). And here's one, just one, that was
written and directed by a black guy, and you are faulting it for
showing this. I think there's alot more to life than just white folks
and white folks' concerns. Or are you suggesting that movies made by
white males are universal and cover all possible points of view, so we
don't need movies made by any other types of people?

> His movies reflect (and encourage) thinking in very limited terms.

I think just the opposite. These movies serve a very useful function
of exposing middle class whites (like myself) to points of view other
than the ones we meet in our day to day lives. And, in fact, these are
points of view that we as a nation will have to understand and do
something about. What were the LA riots other than the result of the
people in power in this nation ignoring exactly the problems presented
in this movie?

-Myra
myra@saul.cis.upenn.edu
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: RISING SUN movie was Re: Jurassic Park Spoiler (almost)
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:40:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

About RISING SUN, book and movie...:

>>>>     That's okay: I thought Snipes' character was _white_.  :-)

>>> 
>>>	So did I.  Then again, I don't think he was ever explicitly mentioned

>>     Agreed, considering the Japanese penchant for stamping everything
>>     with the "RACIST" label in RISING SUN.  Seems like an easily
>>     adaptable novel, and it's a good cast, so my hopes are high.
>>     (Besides, Tia Carrere doesn't get to speak... we're home clear).

>	Doesn't she?  I thought she was playing the college student the cops
>talk to when they're trying to figure out whether or not the pictures were
>doctored (not knowing who's cast for which part can make things difficult);
>that character had a speaking part.

     Dunno...  I just assumed she played "the body" of the victim.
     The college student is Japanese/American in the book, so you're
     always wondering whose side she's on... and (naturally, spoiler
     here), it's precisely BECAUSE she's under our suspicion that she is
     probably the one character in the book who DOESN'T have something
     to hide.

     So, her race/nationality being an integral part of the character,
     I'd hope the movie doesn't change it...  (anyway, that's my
     rationale for thinking Tia Carrere doesn't get to speak... anyone
     know for sure?)
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Coppola's "Bram Stoker's Dracula"
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:29:01 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies

In article <1e8g0rINNbtj@transfer.stratus.com>,
jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) wrote:

> I didn't like Hopkins "comic relief" much.  I think it lessened
> his performance and lessened the tension in the film (and
> was downright silly in a couple of places).  I thought the
> character of Van Helsing was a weak point in the film.

I loved Hopkins!  And Oldman was stunningly good.  The differences
in characterization between the 'old' Count and the 'young' Count
were superb.  Keanu, aside from being an adorable little muffin,
was less than inspired.  In fact, aside from Oldman and Hopkins,
I thought all of the men were less than inspired (especially
Lucy's husband-to-be - though one can only look so dashing if
one must also look Victorian - though the Count did a good job).

And I disagree that the film was a triumph of 'form' over 'substance.'
That seems to be a very chic phrase, nowadays.  I would be 
interested in a definition of 'form over substance.'  I'd also
be interested in where Dracula was 'unintentionally' funny.
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: HARRISON FORD AS THE FUGITIVE
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:46:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: none

In article <1992Nov16.142545.28036@pony.Ingres.COM> walker@Ingres.COM (Lynn Walker) writes:

>I like Harrison Ford, but I think that Alec Baldwin made a big mistake by
>passing this one up, IMHO.

	Is this going to be a trend?

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From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: The Bodyguard
Organization: QUAD Systems
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:28:48 GMT

In article <BxzG7F.6E0@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> keenstev@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve Keen) writes:
>Has anyone heard any advance word on The Bodyguard with Whitney Houston
>and Kevin Costner?


If the previews I have seen are any indication, I have hard time seeing
why anyone would want to pay good money for this turkey. How unoriginal
can they be?
-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
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From: nichols@math.umn.edu (Preston Nichols)
Subject: Re: Anthony Hopkins
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:11:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.112705.2422@aston.ac.uk> thompsmr@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark  
Thompson) writes:
> 	He's also in an Australian movie called Spotswood that's currently
> doing the rounds in the UK, [...]
> 	
> 
In case anyone wants to know, Spotswood is released in the U.S. as The  
Efficiency Expert.

PN
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From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: CHRISTMAS movies?
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:42:53 MDT
Organization: Omega:  The Final Solution

In article <1992Nov16.233439.28908@nmsu.edu>, pfeiffer@nmsu.edu (Joe
Pfeiffer) writes:
> In article <bbrett.721696252@morgan> bbrett@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Betsy
Brett) writes:
> 
>    than cry...  It isn't really a movie, but MR KRUEGER'S CHRISTMAS with
>    James Stewart is a little show the Mormons put together and it is a very
>    nice story.  I also like MIRACLE ON 34TH STREET and THE BISHOP'S WIFE
> 
> Mr. Fred Krueger, per chance?  With Jimmy Stewart?  Oh, the possibilities...

     Living here in Utah, capitol of the LDS world, I have endless
opportunities to see "Mr. Krueger's Christmas" every holiday season. 
Thus, I have long wanted to see "Freddy Krueger's Christmas"
somewhere.  Anyone want to do a treatment?
-- 
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Email is life!   | --Calvin 
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From: pmarlowe@noncomf.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (philip marlowe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: movies worse than rocky horror
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 06:54:10 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: like communism, but nicer.

doug@ramona.com (Goojie) writes:

> I know we've gone over movies that are so bad they're entertaining in
> a corny sort of way. I was wondering more about movies like _The Rocky
> Horror Picture Show_ which are not only a monument to stupidity, they're
> real boring, too. The only requirement is that you have to watched the
> movie all the way through without going to sleep. Obviously, that exempts
> any Madonna movie from consideration. We're talking true survival here!

 
 Trying to be flame-bait?
 
marlowe

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From: durham@mpr.ca (Paul Durham)
Subject: Re: why the hang-up on NC17?
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 21:40:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.205719.29272@spectra.com> johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson) writes:
>
>Thanks to all who helped clear this up for me.
>It appears that a Canadian 'R' rating is the same as an American 'NC17'
>rating (with the exception of the age 18 requirement in Canada).
>

There is no such thing as a 'Canadian' rating. In BC an 'R' rated film can be
seen by kids accompanied by adults. The equivalent in BC to NC-17 is called 18+.

I think Henry and June was rated 'R' here, as is 'The Lover' which just
opened. 'The Devil in the Flesh' was 18+.

Each province in Canada has its own ratings, and BC and Quebec are the most
liberal.


Paul


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From: maw5s@Virginia.EDU ("Melissa Wiley")
Subject: Movies about women as cats
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:32:14 GMT

Hello, I'm interested in viewing all movies where women are
portrayed as cats, or as feline like.  Got any suggests?  I've
seen both versions of "Cat People" and the more recent "Batman
Returns."  Any leads are welcome!   --Melissa
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: spike lee &  boston celtics
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:51:48 GMT

In article <75399@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt9398b@prism.gatech.EDU (Christopher R. Boggs) writes:
>
>    Spike Lee is simply increasing the paranoia over "racism". Movies such
>as his do nothing but make people paranoid and look for "racism". And when
>you are paranoid about it to the extent that American public is, you tend to
>see it everywhere you look. He is doing _nothing_ to help fight "racism", but
>at the same time, he is making tons of money by using it as a vehicle for his
>own personal gain. The only reason he is so "well liked" is that he happened
>to come along at a point in time when his brand of propaganda has been whole
>heartedly embraced. In my opinion, its sad and he is doing more harm than good.

I disagree for two separate reasons.  First, I don't think that Lee is
simply expressing a black version of racism in these films.  Second, I
think that, content aside, Lee is a very skillful filmmaker.

To consider Lee's films as purely racist and paranoid is an 
oversimplification.  I think that Lee is expressing a point of view
a lot of black people really feel - that despite the civil rights
movement of the sixties, most American blacks are still suffering from
the effects of racism.  Whether or not you believe that to be true,
lots of blacks do, and it doesn't help to pretend that they don't.
Lee is showing their feelings in eloquent ways, and it behooves us
to watch and listen.  The "Lethal Weapon" and "Cosby" view of race
relations in America is a nice ideal, but ignoring the fact that an
awful lot of Americans don't experience race relations in that way
is unrealistic.  It pays to hear the angry voices of those who experience
a different reality.

Secondly, I suspect that, a hundred years from now, when the divisive
issues Lee deals with in his films have no more emotional significance
for Americans than the Free Silver movement does today, Lee's films will
still be of interest because of the artistry with which they are made.
That may not make much difference to casual viewers of films, but, if
you're seriously interested in films as an artistic medium, you really
cannot afford to ignore Lee's films.  He's doing interesting things that
no other filmmaker is doing, and, while he may not be uniformly successful,
his ideas work quite often enough to make his films worthy of study.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

From: ngsl@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Shuh Lit NG)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:52:36 GMT
Subject: Request for rating
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

Has there been a rating of top 10 or top 20 movies
under category of drama where dialog is dominantly
the theme (e.g. When Harry met Sally, Parenthood, etc)

If so, can someone post it?  Thanx.
From: graya@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (aNdY gRaY)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: DrAcUlA In eNgLaNd
Summary: whitby (dracs house)
Keywords: lucky yanks
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:38:02 GMT


The thing that is really getting on my nerves is that I'm reading all these 
reviews fro DRACULA, and now I would really like to see it but I would have
to fly a couple of thousand miles, or wait until JANUARY to see it over here
in England.....do you feel sorry for me, of course, but if I look on the 
bright side I do get all the other english benefits like a 1 pound 70p big 
mac (approx $3.20). I guess I'm just a little down as I've visited the US a
couple of times.......you yanks dont know how good you have it!!!

BUT on the subject of Dracula I've been to the lovely Yorkshire fishing village
called whitby where in Bram's novel Dracula buys a house......it's just like
you would imagine it.....a church on the top of a hill looking over the harbour

(more info mail me graya@cs.man.ac.uk and general chit chat about the US &
England comparison)


andy gray....waiting for drac.    

Q. guess what films opened this week in Britain...prizes for correct answers
   Americans think back a couple of months.
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From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: What's Arnold up to?
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:43:11 GMT

In article <1e460aINN1es@crcnis1.unl.edu>, pdietz@cse.unl.edu (Phil Dietz) writes:
|> AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark) writes:
|> 
|> >  Ha ha ha ha ha ha!  Stop!  You're killing me with these
|> >one-liners!  "Actor"!  Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
|> 
|> He isn't too bad.  He will never be in MasterPiece Theater, but who says
|> good actors have to be serious or in drama.  Arnold is a clear cut victor
|> in terms of acting compared to his fellow-macho action-movie buds
|> (ie VanDamme, Segal, chuck norris, even hulk hogan)
|> 

Fellow-macho action-movie buds, hell. Arnold's a much better actor that many
so-called serious actors, including: Mark Harmon, Frank Langella, Don Johnson,
Bruce Willis (Well, nobody's ever accused him of being a serious actor), Warren
Beatty, AND Robert Redford. That's right, I said Robert Redford! I'll scream it from
the rooftops ... "This man Can't ACT! He plays every single role the same way!" 

I don't care how good looking he is, he played Butch Cassidy (or was the Sundance
kid?) the same way he played Gatsby, the same way he played Death (in that
Twilight Zone episode). In other words, he can't act. Unless he is vain enough to
think Death would be just like him.

Anyway, back to Arnold, just look at his film repertoire. The usual macho flicks
(Conan, Commando), some risk-taking sci-fi (Terminator, Predator, Total
Recall), plus two excellent comedies (Twins, Kindergarten Cop). And comedy
is not easy, Just ask the king of stale comedies, Warren Beatty.

Nope, Arnold's not quite ready for Shakespeare, but he's a hell of a lot better
actor than a lot of "movie stars" who have been hanging around Hollywood for
thirty years.
From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Help settle a stupid bet over War of the Roses.
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:21:07 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <19395@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, cccsims@it-cap-39.ucdavis.edu (Jonathan Sims) writes:
|> 
|> 
|>    Due to my V.C.R. being stolen not to long ago I can`t just rent War of the
|> Roses to settle the bet myself. That said, the bet is:  I say Turner shrugged
|> Douglas off at the very end of the movie but my friend thinks that Douglas
|> shruged Turner off (by the end I mean when they die).  Thanks..

 With his "last dying breathe", takes hold of her hand.
 With her "last dying breathe", shakes off his hand.
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From: ych@cs.utah.edu (Yuan Hsieh)
Subject: Re: REVIEW: BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA (SPOILERS)
Date: 18 Nov 92 09:22:15 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa

In article <1edgioINNco2@transfer.stratus.com> jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.154930.29470@hellgate.utah.edu> ych@cs.utah.edu  
>(Yuan Hsieh) writes:
>> In article <1eb8i4INNfqh@transfer.stratus.com>  
>jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
>> >I disagree. Dracula IS evil in this film, though he also has
>> >a good side. He brings home a baby to feed to the female vampires
>> >at the castle.  
>> 
>> I disagree, where's evil in the food chain?
>> 
>If you don't think killing babies is evil, I guess we define
>the word differently.  

For me, it depends on who's doing the killing.

Is it evil for you to eat a cow, or an egg ?

Is it evil for a vampire to eat human?  WHy baby?  well, whynot, it's
definitely easier and safer to catch a baby, and a baby probably tastes
better.

-Y'
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Malcolm X
Date: 21 Nov 92 14:57:41 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

U28698@uicvm.uic.edu writes:

>Do yourself a favor.  Watch this film.  You're NOT gonna get knifed or beaten.
> Spike Lee's too smart to let that happen.

Although I agree whole-heartedly with the suggestion to see
this movie, this is a pretty dumb statement.

Is Spike Lee patrolling all theatres, or something?
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
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From: m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters)
Subject: Re: Peter Greenaway
Keywords: macabre, michael nyman, dutch baroque
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:20:09 GMT

># 
># 
># >what is his latest film?
># 
># As far as I know, PG's latest film (1991) was `Prospero's Books', 
># based on `The Tempest'. (Not one of his best, IMHO).
># 
># BTW, Did his fairly wonderful `Dante's Inferno' ever reach the US?
># 
># 	john N
># 
># -- 
># john nicoll (jkn@ohm.york.ac.uk)

When in England last April, we caught a bit of Dante's Inferno.  It was
just enough to make me covet it.  If, in fact, it has been released on
tape, I'd love the info on it.  If not, any word on when (if) we can see
it here in the US?



--
--Mary Anne  
"What we have once enjoyed and deeply loved we can never lose, for all
that we love deeply becomes a part of us."  Helen Keller
                                                 [for Alexander]
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From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: THe Bounty: was Re: Anthony Hopkins
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:05:03 GMT

> vaughanj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jake Vaughan) writes:

>Anthony Hopkins was excellent in "Bounty", a movie about the book, _Mutiny on the Bounty_.  It's the one with Mel Gibson.  Great!!

Nitpick time.  One of the good things about "The Bounty" is that it is *not*
based on the book "Mutiny on the Bounty" (a very biased view of the Bounty
incident).  After seeing "Mutiny on the Bounty" (w/ Brando) a few months ago
I then watched "The Bounty."  The differences between them led me to the
library where I found books about the actual events surrounding the Bounty
"incident."  It's fascinating stuff.  The history of Pitcairn's island is
very interesting, too.  Paradise gone to hell.

Anyway, "The Bounty" does a good job of presenting a most balanced view of
this incident.  Capt. Bligh was a hero having sailed a lifeboat 3,000
miles to the east Indies.  The line screamed by Fletcher in the middle of
the mutiny, "I am in HELL...!", is straight from the transcripts of the 
trials of Capt. Bligh and the mutineers who were returned from Tahiti later.

Nary a nit left.

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