From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
Subject: Re: A paper I wrote for a speech class
Date: 22 Dec 92 02:22:37 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host

In article <1992Dec21.221328.29662@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
>In article <237@spchsys.spchsys>, jjt@spchsys.spchsys (John J. Turley) writes:
>|> 
>|> If I might ask about this here: Why is it that people who claim that they
>|> somehow know what God wants always deliver the same poison? It's either
>|> 'God hates this' or 'God must destroy that'. Then they tell you that
>|> you must totally submit to their dogma, completely (with your mind, your
>|> heart, and let's not forget your WALLET). They say that failure to comply
>|> will result in eternal suffering. This is Jed's message.
>
>   Regardless of what you feel about the messenger, the message is a very
>   serious one.  

Yes it is, following his commands to murder could send you to the electric
chair.

>   Most of the Jed-haters hate being told that there are
>   divine laws   which they do not like; for example, laws against fornication.

To bad you don't know what fornication means. Before ramming the bible down
our throats perhaps you should read a biblical commentary. The word
fornication is derived from the name of the archs where prostitutes hung
out. Saying not to visit prostitutes is not the same thing as saying not
to have sex outside of marriage.

>   There are many scriptures that warn of the eternal danger of fornication,
>   much less the chances of AIDS, Herpes, etc.  So you have a choice to
>   make regardless of how you feel about the messenger.  

Questions of the existance of God aside why should I take a messenger
seriously who hasn't even taken the time to understand his own religion?

>   Some say, I will
>   not accept the message because I do not like the messenger.  Okay, the
>   loss is yours and your excuse won't help you on judgment day.  

Your threats won't change reality.

>   Jed's dogma
>   is the Bible.  Take the time to investigate its claims.

I have, I've found neither evidence to prove or disprove gods existance.
However I know that if there is a God and the bible is his word that Jed
is 100% wrong, because he and those like him have twisted the meaning of
the words.

>   You are right about intolerance.  You are wrong about hate.  You don't
>    understand or you are are merely throwing out a term to help you justify
>    your own rebellion to God.  God loves you - yet he has a set of laws that
>    he will enforce.  Would you expect the police not to enforce their laws
>    that have been written?  

I would hope police could read and understand the laws they must enforce.

>Examine the Bible and repent (which means to
>    turn from your ways and surrender to God's ways). 

But if the bible is the word of God surrendering to what fundementalists
demand would be to go against God. The Gospels are quite clear, if I was
to become a Christian tomorrow I wouldn't be ashamed about having sex with
another man, I would be ashamed that I had not given all my money to the
poor.


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