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From: v065nlpz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Amil)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: ROXANNE SHANTE
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <92323.111118U14864@uicvm.uic.edu>, U14864@uicvm.uic.edu (Tyrone Ellison) writes...
>What up, Hotsauce?
> 
>I picked up Shante's new one... and honestly, it left me a little flat... The
>dopest track on her album is "Deadly Rhymes" featuring Kool G Rap... I was
>expecting MORE to come from her, especially after the way she declared WAR on
>every female in tha bizness... Her intro track is too long, and in some parts
>of the album, the lyrics just don't stand out... She may be lookin' fly and all
>that now, but that doesn't do my ears a bit of good.
> 
>Later, G...
> 
>The Minister of Rage, Gifted Underworld Executioner.


	Well, somebodys buyin the album.  The shit is about to go platinum.
Damn.

							aMIL
From: me_f316@ceres (+-=NUBIAN=-+)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Ice Cube, Wicked is whack!
Date: 23 Nov 1992 16:56:27 GMT
Organization: Your Girlfriend's Bedside
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:    *hip hop reggae* is catchin' on, especially here on the East coast,
: i.e NY,DC,PHILLY etc....you can hardly go to a party w/o grindin and
: boging so yo don't sleep...that reggae shit gits you hype............

Do you mean bogling (sp?)
--
From: Jeff.Strabone@dartmouth.edu (Jeff Strabone)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: PE,IceT & H.O.P. and other shit
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:36:52 GMT
 <1992Nov10.182456.24538@sbcs.sunysb.edu> 
 <of08xNW00aw6JGAExe@andrew.cmu.edu>  
 <1992Nov12.185424.29693@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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Re: Everlast of House of Pain

According to The Village Voice, it is the same Everlast from some time
back.  Yo, I got my tickets for the PE-Ice-T-HOP show on Monday at The
Ritz in New York, boyyyyyy.

Jeff Strabone
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: PE-Greatest Misses
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:56:11 GMT

In article <6700@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500alh@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Archie Holmes) writes:
>In article <Yf0fiBe00WBO85G2BC@andrew.cmu.edu> jf4f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Justin R. Fortun) writes:
>
>>Public Enemy, after huge sucesses like "Fear of a Black Planet" and
>>"Apocalypse '91", finally comes out with a LOSER.  
>
>>Greatest Misses is weak.  What were they thinking?  Supposedly PE is now
>>recording a new album due out next year.  They should have saved the
>>only good track, "Hazy Shade of Criminal" (I admit, it is a kick-ass
>>track), for the next album.  Instead they wasted it on this weak album. 
>>I guess you could call it an EP, since there are only 7 original songs
>>on it.    
>
>>Don't waste your $$$.  Buy the single for "Hazy Shade of Criminal".

I think it's safe to say that I don't follow this opinion.  All the original
tracks are hype (with the possible exception of "Get Off My Back," Flav's
excursion into P-Funk which IMHO fell P-Flat), and the remixes deserve their
props, especially "Louder Than A Bomb," "How To Kill A Radio Consultant" and
"Who Stole The Soul".

>I disagree here.  I think that the strongest song on the entire album
>is "Air Hoodlum"

I'd buy that for a dollar. :)

>Archie Holmes
-- 
- David J. --------------------------- *Coming in 1993:                      *
- Blue Riddle Productions ------------ *RAP IS AN ART/TURN UP THE MICROPHONE *
- dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ----- *David J.'s debut 12" single          *
- Sports Editor/Indiana Daily Stupid - *ON VINYL from Blue Riddle Productions*
From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: WICKED
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:24:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

I must agree with K-Mello, although I like Paris, i dont think that he is all
that special. I mean, I definitely support what he stands for and the message
he is sending, and the album, complete with little biographies of famous black
people who made an impact is very honorable, but when it gets down to the nitty
gritty in the skilz department, theres nothing really *that* special about him.
I have his first CD, which I doubt i would have in my posession if it werent
for the fact that I got it free through Columbia House(damn, Im a CHEAP brotha!
:) I do want to buy his new album when/if it comes out, but I think my reason
is more leaning towards the controversy that has been surrounding it rather 
than buying it because I think he is a talented rapper...

                                                                  RJ
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: c162-du@po.berkeley.edu (bishwaroop ganguly)
Subject: Re: WICKED
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:51:34 GMT


          I would have to add the D.O.C. to that list and, of course, Paris
who is the best West Coast Producer/Rapper.

                                      -Roop
From: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (K-Mello SGP '92)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: A Tribe Called Quest Remixes
Date: 18 Nov 92 08:40:55 GMT
Reply-To: klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov16.033140.9994@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, erc@whitesands.berkeley.edu (Eric Ng) writes:
>...deleted
>I just got the remix album, and while I don't have it right here with me,
>it contains, among others:
>
>+ what it says is a remix of "If the Papes Come": after hearing more than
>  a few people rant and rave about this, I have to say it was sort of a
>  letdown when I finally heard it
>

I don't know about no remix, but the version on the US 12" for "Can I Kick It?"
was dope.  I don't see how you could be talking about the same versions if this
one was a letdown for you.

>...deleted
>+ a re-recording (different vocals, different beats) of "Jazz (We've Got)"
>  I like this a lot... the beats contain that same machine-like noise from
>  EPMD's "It's Going Down"
>

This was from the "Jazz(We've Got)" 12".  Dope remix with new beat and new
lyrics.

>+ a "Boilerplate" remix of "Can I Kick It?" which is so-so: again, I was
>  hoping that they would put the "Spirit Mix" (or is it "Sprint Mix") on,
>  i.e., the one from the video... another big disappointment

The video I saw had the LP version on it.  However, I am one of the few people
I know who liked the "Spirits Mix" of "Can I Kick It?".  There is also a
"phase-5 mix" that isn't that bad.

>
>+ "Mr. Muhammad's Mix" of "Check the Rhime"... the lazy one with the flute;
>  I didn't like this when I first heard it, but now I think it's nice
>

Never cared for this mix much.  In the words of Q-Tip, why remix it?  It sounds
dope the way it is.

>+ a couple so-so (nothing special) mixes of various songs, including
>  "Pubic Enemy", "Bonita Applebum" (2 of these, in fact), "Luck of Lucien",
>  "Butter," and "Description of a Fool"
>

What were the times on the "Bonita Applebum" remixes?  I have a supposed U.K.
remix 12" with the radio edit(3:18), the remix(3:15), the LP version(3:35), the
UK 12" mix(9:35), and the UK radio edit(4:11).  The UK versions include when
the full lyrics "I used to be on you like a fly to shit" without "shit" being
silenced out, and the remix is the one with the Isley Brothers sample.  I'm
curious to see if there were yet more versions.

>All in all, a definite disappointment, as I was looking primarily for
>the "7 MC's" mix of "Scenario", the "Spirit Mix" of "Can I Kick It?", and
>was curious about "If the Papes Come?". Having a new version of "Jazz"
>and an okay remix of "Check the Rhime" on were nice surprises, but not
>anything to write home about.
>
>It seems that Jive has recently started releasing CD singles (with the
>"Hot Sex" track)... *why* *why* *why* couldn't they have begun with
>"Scenario" (the previous single) so I could easily get "7 MC's" on CD?

Didn't someone post earlier about having the "Scenario" CD single with the "7
MC's" mix on it?

>
>-eric
>--
>eric ng  erc@zabriskie.berkeley.edu  ...!ucbvax!zabriskie!erc

K-Mello
SHYGUY Productions '92
From: v134n2mc@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (DA AGGRO KID)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Ice Cube, Wicked is whack!
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:14:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov22.204347.140513@zeus.calpoly.edu>, kgatlin@zeus.calpoly.edu (Kang Su Gatlin) writes...
> 
>I got a question for all ya'll with the 12" of Wicked.  Is the song on the B
>side not on the CD album.  I've heard the B-side of it features samples from
>Envogue or somethin' like that.  I've heard nothing of the sort on the
>album.  Could somebody verify or counterverify this.  Thanks
>Peace -> KSG
	Ok, here goes tha shit.  Tha track iz "U Ain't Gonna Take My Life". 
It'z only on tha b-side.  It doezn't really hav EnVogue samples, but it comes
off sounding like it.  Background vocalz "No you're never gonna get it", but
it'z not an akshual sample.  Here's tha liner notes:
       U AIN'T GONNA TAKE MY LIFE
	Lyrics by: Ice Cube
       	Music by: Mr. Woody
	Published by Gangsta Boogie Music admin. by WB Music Corp./Street
	Knowledge Music (ASCAP)	

	Produced by: Mr. Woody
	Background Vocals by: D. Thomas
	Recorded at: Echo Sound
	Mixed by: Mr. Woody at Westlake Studios

	Samples:"I GOTCHA" (J.Arrington, Jr.),Tree Publishing (BMI), as
	recorded by Joe Tex, under license from Sony Music Entertainment.  Used
	by permission. "SIR PSYCHO SEXY" (A.Kiedis/J.Frusciante/C.Smith),
	Moebetoblame Music (BMI), as recorded by Red Hot Chili Peppers, under 
	license from Warner Special Products. Used by permission.

Hope that helped ya out.

	Later,
		Da Aggro Kid
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 08:58:24 CST
From: Tyrone Ellison <U14864@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: KOOL G RAP IS OUT NOW!

I went to the record store yesterday, and lo and behold, there it was... "Live
and Let Die", by Kool G Rap and DJ Polo... so naturally, I did what any hip hop
fiend would do... I went and BOUGHT THE MUTHAFUCKA...

I have been waiting, agonizing since the Summer for this one, and it FINALLY
dropped.  The album is dope. Phat. All that AND a bowl of grits.  The standout
cuts are "#1 With A Bullet", and for all those who think Kane fell off, he
comes correct BIGTIME on this one.  Even G Rap is doing a li'l tongue-twistin'.
Another dope cut that exemplifies G Rap's skills is "Nuff Said"... he goes off
with the punch-lines and shit like that... "2 To The Head" has my vote for
being THE posse cut... Scarface, Bushwick Bill and Ice Cube all contribute phat
lyrics to this methodically wicked track.
I think that this album is worth the wait, because Jinx hooked the tracks up
for real... One of the "funniest" cuts on the album is "Operation CB", where G
Rap complains about people keeping him from hittin' tha skins... He outdoes
"Talk Like Sex" (from the previous album) with "Fuck U Man"... The rest of the
album has familiar themes, about him working for (or against) the mob, getting
creative with assorted weapons of destruction and him losing his mind.  If you
are "politically correct", stay away from this one, but if you're a die-hard
Kool G Rap fan, get it.  Get it NOW.  You won't be disappointed (at least I
wasn't).  ...Now if only they'd drop Paris and Ice T...
Peace Out...
The Minister Of Rage, Gifted Underworld Executioner.
From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: House of Pain
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:10:15 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <BxtqHn.5Bu@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
|> In article <balbondj.721931523@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> balbondj@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Dah Man) writes:
|> > Is House Of Pain West Coast or East Coast?  I know Everlast was West Coast,
|> > but I am just curious if the relocated to the east.  I Yo Saturday they had
|> > HOP on, and they expalined there connection with Cypress Hill (Soul Assains)
|> > but they were in New York and it seems that they may have relocated.
|> 
|> I always thought they were from Ireland myself.  They do sing a little of the
|> Irish national anthem on one track.

 They say they have Irish ancestry but to my knowledge they have never been 
 to Ireland. If you want real Irish rap (although not in Gaelish(sp?)) check
 out Marxman. They recently signed to the Talkin' Loud label and one of their 
 songs were banned on Radio 1. The Brits prevent most tracks that deal with the
 conflict in Northern Ireland and other uncomfortable topics from radioplay.

|> 
|> >
|> >      -Dah Man-
|> >
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> - David J. --------------------------- *Coming in 1993:                      *
|> - Blue Riddle Productions ------------ *RAP IS AN ART/TURN UP THE MICROPHONE *
|> - dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu ----- *David J.'s debut 12" single          *
|> - Sports Editor/Indiana Daily Stupid - *ON VINYL from Blue Riddle Productions*


-- 
********************The revolution will not be computerized*******************
name:Palle Zetterstrand			      e-mail:superfly@etek.chalmers.se
no future without a past"..."There is no future without a past"..."There is no
From: crafts@athena.mit.edu (The Invisible Man)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Alt.rap FAQ and PE at the Strand in Dorchester MA 11/28
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:03:05 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Firstly,

Anyone out here going to go to see Public Enemy at the Strand theatre in
Dorchester this Weekend? Maybe we could all hook up go to the show....

Tickets are $20 in advance and features local talent opening for PE...

Secondly,

Is there an alt.rap FAQ? Is there anyone interested in compiling one? I'm
nominating myself since I ask so many damn questions anyway, I should save all
the answers...

Let me know something...

Dan
crafts@athena.mit.edu
From: bj+@CMU.EDU (Brandon Chin)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: A Tribe Called Quest Remixes
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:42:21 GMT
Organization: Junior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Well, I had a chance to take a look at the "Luck of Lucien/Butter" UK
Import 12" today.  My man picked it up in NYC a couple of weeks ago.  He
likes it and I've been waiting awhile to check it out; I've been so busy
lately.  So I walk in, he's playin' some house and then he mixes in some
other song and when I realized what it was, I almost ripped the record
off the tables.  

There's a remix and a dub of each.  The Lucien remix is *very* unlike
the original and has lost its hip hop flavor and went the way of dance
music.  Hearing the remix made me (unfortunately) think of Black Sheep's
Strobelight Honey remixes.  Its also sped up quite a bit and its missing
some key melodies from the original.  Tip's vocals are all there
(surprisingly) although some other parts of the song are rearranged into
different parts of the song ("voulez-vous...le poo poo").  The Lucien
dub (I forget the names of the mixes) is very much an instrumental of
the remix.

The Butter remix (I think its called the Hip Hop Remix) is (you guessed
it) more on the hip hop tip than the Lucien remix.  Its basically the
original with more horns and keyboards and other assorted instruments. 
Personally, I think the remix's added melodies & such detract from the
song itself.  I found myself paying more attention to the new
instruments in the song rather than the song itself (perhaps cuz I'm too
used to the original).  Phife's vocals are all there but Tip's ("Its
like Butter...like the butter baby")are gone.  The dub is different from
the remix--its little exerpts of Phife over a disco-type beat.  Its even
got some female diva-type vocals.  Foul.

The vocals were taken from the originals, so basically it seems that
they just snatched the vocals off the originals and put 'em over a new
beat.  If you're looking for something like the Scenario US Remix (not
the UK)...the one with Hood, you're looking in the wrong place.  Maybe
that UK Scenario remix (the one on the B side of Hot Sex) will pop up on
the remix album...

Overall, I wasn't too impressed/happy with this 12", and it makes me
wonder what they were thinking.  The sleeve says that they're from the
forthcoming remix album "Revised Mixes for the Seasoned Traveller" (or
something like that...I forgot the exact name).  But in any case, the 12
is UK and it doesn't say whether the remix album will be UK only (like
the De La) or not.  However, if this 12 is any indication of what will
be on the remix album, I just might pass unless they include something
like "If The Papes Come" or some phat remixes (cuz Lucien and Butter
ain't it).

-bj
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From: rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson)
Subject: House  Of Pain
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:00:00 GMT


Hey...

I caught House of Pain on the "Apollo Comedy Hour" last night and among other
things I noticed about them(for one, I dont think theyre too good live...Ever-
last's  voice gets clogged and unclear,  etc) When they did their Shamrocks  
and Shenanigans, you know the part where the say "You make me sick, like straw-
berry quik"...well, I  dont know if Everlast just got caught up in the  heat
of the moment and wanted to show how skilled he is at ad-libbing, but instead
of that line he said, "You make me sick, like DJ Quik"...I  was just wondering
if they were supposed to be feuding or something...Youd think  that two West
Coast rappers would be supporting eachother instead of trying to diss one 
another...that shit is so dead now...oh well.....

                                                                 RJ
From: player@cats.ucsc.edu (The Last Disciple)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: N.O.I.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:35:16 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: na
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Keywords: Imani!


Well, here's my 2 cents:

I'm down with the N.O.I. in and muslims with a lot of their teachings. But, I
don't agree with there treatment of women. I am married to the most beautiful
and strong Nubian Queen on Earth and I refuse to allow her to be oppressed by
any organization or myself. The N.O.I. spends too much time attacking the
African-American mother for the problems with the African-American family.
Not necessarily in the raising of African males but in the male picking up
femine traits. These feminine traits are supposedly quick and violent tempers.
I totally disagree with this! But the Nation does do a lot of positive things
for the community. 
As far as the 5% 'ers I don't even think Farrakhan is really down with them. 
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that Wallace's off-chute of Islam after
he left the Nation when Farrakhan took over?

Telling the truth is not Anti-semitism. Period! If  most of the managers who
"ganked" African-American entertainers were Jews and you make mention of that
you're not an Anti-semite your just stating a fact. If you mention that many
of the large slave traders were Jews you're stating a fact. Now if you refer
to white people as "devils" then whatever but even Farrakhan doesn`t use that
terminology anymore. Refering to whites as "devils" is like referring to 
Africans as "Niggers," basically a bigotted insult. 

My advice to all of you is to explore all forms of religions....take from each
what you feel is worthy and develop your own form of beliefs. All religions
have knowledge in them if you only explore.

I can't understand why the Jews and the Muslims fight so much when they are
of the same seed, Abraham, maybe they're like competing siblings. Don't know!


Go See X!!!!!

We (all of us) have to support this. If this movie were to bomb, yeah right,
it would set artistic expression back 20 years. We all know it's going to 
be crazy phat though 8)

BTW, I guess this means I'm back from alt.rap limbo now, huh?


Peace.

"Nobody set a fire when those Laws beat the shit out of me! Fuck Rodney King!"
                                   -Willie D


^
|
|
 I know but don't flame me mail me and i'll explain what I mean by that!!!

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 University of California              | a liquor store on every corner.
     Santa Cruz                        | Why? Because they want us to kill
 -Last Brother in Santa Cruz-          | ourselves.
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From: v065m89r@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Keith P McCartney)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: Stuff
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:31:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

The Malcom X Movie comes out on the 18th of November from what i 
have heard. Don't know 'bout the soundtrack tho-. I saw the single
from AD in the store a couple days ago but didn't pick it up 'cause
of a lack of funds...
						Peace...
						    Pooky
					The Wrong Pooky To F*uck Wit...
From: casey@daker.cs.mcgill.ca (Earl Wannabe)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: To the guy who shamelessly dissed Mike D
Keywords: Beastie Boys, 3rd Bass
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:54:52 GMT
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada


To the guy who laughed at Serch being a Mike D wannabe etc. etc.

As Mike D says 

"A lot of people get jealous, they're talking about me, but that's just cause  
they haven't got a thing to say!"

And for all those 3rd Bass fans who insist of dissing the B-Boys instead of  
saying how good 3rd Bass is (ie. Destructive criticism vs constructive  
criticism) this is what MCA's got to say to you all -> 

"And if you tried to dis me I couldn't give a damn!"

Yeah listen up! Some people like the Beasties other like 3rd Bass and some like  
both.  If you think one is better than the other then try to discuss it in an  
intelligent manner.

--
==============================================================;
I'd rather be destroying my rotator cuff...                   |
--------------------------------------------------------------'-----;
Kallol Das AKA casey@cs.mcgill.ca  --> I am Josey Wales reborn.     |
===================================================================='
 
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From: sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The black guy.)
Subject: Re: 3rd Bass VS. Beasties
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:21:16 GMT

In article <8f0nzzO00iUxA9RNpJ@andrew.cmu.edu> Eric Thomas Zeszotarski <ez08+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Hip hop or whatever, Beasties win over 3rd Bass any way you look at it. 
>
>They are artists in the every sense of the word. Check the videos. Check
>the lyrics on Paul's Boutique. Then check 'em again. Check out Cookie
>Puss. 
>
...deleted...
>Wassup with them trying to diss B-boys on "Stymies Theme"? If you listen
>to the lyrics real close, you can pick up some real subtle stuff that is
>very much anti- beastie. THEY DID NOT OPENLY DISS EM BECAUSE THEY KNEW
>THEY HAD NO CLOUT.
but they did...the whole song afterwards (Sons of Third Bass) was
dedicated to that very purpose.
>
>The bottom line is, the Beastie Boys will continue to redefine and push
>the borders of hip hop - and 3rd Bass will go down as a group with a
>good debut and not much more.
i don't really think so.  just listen to the words off their first
single from the new album (that i didn't bother to remember)...they're
sayin some rhymes from back in curtis blow's day ("yes yes
y'all"..."uuurraaaagh!")
>
>" If your life needs correction, don't follow my direction "
>               - Ad Rock
>
>Peace
>eric z
>

jon
(the hood of good)

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