HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jbh@anat.UMSMED.EDU (James B. Hutchins)
Subject: Re: deciding *against* a Ph.D.
Organization: Dept. of Anatomy, Univ. Mississippi Medical Center
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:49:49 GMT


In article <1992Dec17.181139.3264@news2.cis.umn.edu>
diqui@pathogen.med.umn.edu (Diqui LaPenta) writes:

>>>I'm facing a serious decision regarding the direction of my scientific career.
>>>I am in the 4th year of my Ph.D. program in microbiology, and I have battled
>>>a terrible lack of motivation for the last 1 1/2 years.  
>>>(...)

In response, kristoff@net.bio.net (David Kristofferson), a truly *wise* man,
writes:
>(...)
>The truth is, in my opinion, that one can become
>excessively fixated on the notion that science is the only truly
>worthwhile thing to do with one's life (particularly when you are
>surrounded only by people who are intensely focussed on that goal).
>If one ever looks outside of the lab, there are actually many other
>*interesting* (and often better paying) career options.  Getting out
>from under that burden takes a lot of fortitude, but you'll probably
>be amazed at how good you feel when you finally find something that
>you *really* like to do.  Rest assured that there *is* something out
>there for you, and don't be afraid of being put down by others in your
>attempt to find it.
>

This thread contains some good advice for all, not just women and not
just scientists.  When you look back on the last few years (of your
marriage, of your work, whatever), can you say it was _engaging_?  (Not
necessarily "fun", although that word applies in some ways.)  Did you
approach your work/relationship/friendships with _passion_?

Now, today is not an especially fun day for me, nor has it been a
"fun" year ("I will not look back on the year 1992 with undiluted
pleasure"--QE2).  However, I am still engaged in my work and in my life (I
hope!).  This despite all the drawbacks that have been previously mentioned.

Concrete advice: if you can't face the next few years at the lab bench,
get out (gracefully).  But I would respectfully suggest that your experience
with lab work *may* be field-specific (I enjoy neuroscience, but would be
bored and terrified by microbiology--no value judgement, just personality
differences).  Maybe you haven't found your niche yet.  Look around.  Do you
see a job or subject that makes you say, "Gee, I'd like to try that"?  Do
you meet neat people who turn out to be accountants, or bankers, or
waitpeople?  Then maybe you would like to try your hand at the entry level
of those jobs.

All the best of luck to you, and keep us posted.  I believe I speak for the
other netters when I say we have *all* had the same feelings that you have
eloquently expressed.
-- 
Jim Hutchins                    []     E-Mail: jbh@anat.umsmed.edu
Dept of Anatomy                 []
Univ Mississippi Med Ctr        []
From: CZJ@CU.NIH.GOV
Newsgroups: bionet.women-in-bio
Subject: Re:  deciding *against* a Ph.D.
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:57:27 GMT
Distribution: bionet

> I'm facing a serious decision regarding the direction of my scientific career.
> I am in the 4th year of my Ph.D. program in microbiology, and I have battled
> a terrible lack of motivation for the last 1 1/2 years.  It has been bad enough
> for my adviser to threaten to discontinue financial support if my productivity
> did not improve.  My problem is not my adviser or even my project.  My problem
> is that the very thought of getting my Ph.D. only to devote my lilfe to sitting
> at a lab bench and wrestling for  grant funding has become truly depressing. I
> have discovered, at this late juncture, that I am not well-suited to bench work. During a long, soul-searching discussion with my adviser, we devised a short
> term plan.  For the next academic quarter, I will somehow devote all my energies to my research.  At the end of that time, I can continue in the Ph.D. program
> if: 1)I have demonstrated increased productiviy and motivation and
>     2)there's funding for my project
>
> If not, I can write up what I've got for a Master's Degree or take a leave of absence.  I'm comfortable with these options, but I'm left wondering what to do
> with myself in *any* of these situations.  I'm posting here in the hope that
> someone either has had a similar experience or can offer some suggestions on howto creatively use a B.S. in Biology and an MS in Microbiology (or Ph.D. in
> Micro, if  I make it that far).
>
> I suppose it would be beneficial to any others with the same dilemma to post
> responses, but you can also reply to me via e-mail at:
>
>                        diqui@lenti.med.umn.edu
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions and feedback,
>
> Diqui La Penta
>
> --
> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
> ?       diqui@lenti.med.umn.edu  |        "I got me some birds outside        ?
> ?                                |         what sit on my windowsill          ?
> ?     University of Minnesota    |         some birds won't, you know,        ?
>
>

Although posted to womenbio, your concern probably affects males
and females alike.
There are many careers, including science admistration, for those
who find they do not like  bench work.  Many of these, however,
require the Ph.D. degree as sort of a badge of honor for employment.
Many years ago, my wife chose do discontinue her Ph.D. studies
in favor of a master's degree after getting married for some of the
same reasons you have cited.  She now finds that she is shut out
of many interesting jobs, none of which involve bench work, because
she does not have the Ph.D. degree.

Jim Cassatt

Newsgroups: bionet.agroforestry
From: teb@dendron.forestry.umn.edu (Thomas E. Burk)
Subject: forestry gopher server update
Reply-To: teb@dendron.forestry.umn.edu (Thomas E. Burk)
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:26:02 GMT

The Forestry Library, College of Natural Resources, University of Minnesota has  
added two bibliographies to its gopher server, one dealing with recreational  
trails and the other with conservation and sustainable development of tropical  
forests. Point your gopher client at

minerva.forestry.umn.edu
Port 70

You can also find it under "Other Gopher and Information Servers/North America/
University of Minnesota, College of Natural Resources" on the mother of all
gophers

gopher.micro.umn.edu
Port 70

Be sure you are using the _latest client version_ for whatever platform you're  
on.


--
Thomas E. Burk
University of Minnesota
Internet: teb@dendron.forestry.umn.edu
BITNet: teburk@umnacvx.bitnet
USFS DG: t.burk:x400
From: WMILLER@PRISM.CLEMSON.EDU
Newsgroups: bionet.agroforestry
Subject: REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FOR SPECIFIC SITUATION
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:33:00 GMT
Distribution: bionet

I am a blueberry grower located in Pickens County South Carolina 
(western corner).  I am interested in switching to to 
agroforestry system for reduction in frost risk along with 
several other reasons.  The current system is grassed middles on 
a highly erodible site.  It is in it's 10 leaf.   

There is 5 acres of blueberries, we are adding 1.5 acres of 
blackberries over the next 2 years.  Will also add raspberries in 
the future.  We are a pick-your-own with limited chain stores 
sales for a secondary market.  We are a small family business.  
We are "sundowners".   The soils have a residual pH of about 5.2 
unlimed; range from poor to excessive internal drainage within a 
30 meters; have good surface drainage.  PHYTOPHTHORA CINNAMONI is 
present.  Rainfall about 1100 mm a year.  Low temp. about 5-10 f 
about once or twice a year.  Additioal information available on 
request. 

The gist of our thinking so far is frost is a significant risk 
factor.  Bushes protected form the north sky by trees 
consistently produce provided they have at 60% sunlight and root 
competition is not a factor.  Thoughts - consultation with local 
ag meteorologist suggests east west rows at about 100 to 120 ft 
intervals.  Some Soil Conservation Service information suggest 
50% porosity to wind and similar spacing and direction.  Clemson 
University Extension forestry suggest loblolly pine.  It is 
tolerant of pore drainage and and does not form epicormic shoots, 
therefore would limbing up to maintain air drainage under canopy 
and side limbing to keep it narrow.  Needles could be thrown to 
row middles as mulch.   

To be profitable, because of competition losses, there needs to 
be interim product(s) as well as terminal product and cyclic 
procedure. How about naval stores ie loblollyxlongleaf hybrids?  
How about nut pines (Korean?)?  Should they be grafted? Whitepine 
rootstock?  What about nursery sources of the above.  How about 
the blackberry psyllid.  Pines seems to make sense as they have a 
canopy during critical spring frosts but we have noted that 
hardwoods are effective also.  Have thought about chestnuts but 
wonder if they have the right tree shape(?) would not be to 
competitive in terms of root system(?) and also have problems 
with epicormic shoots. How about compatibility(ie alleopathy)?  
Loblolly is reported associate okay/well with ericaceous plants. 

I/we would love to here ideas and observations with supporting 
literature and references that will bear up under scientific 
scrutiny.  We are trying to make our production system 
sustainable economically, environmentally and socially.  We do 
use plant pharmaceuticals and are very conscious of their 
characteristics with regards to environment and safety to all. 

This maybe outside the intent of this reflector.  If so jsut give 
it the old DEL. 

Many thanks for your input.

2
Walker Miller, Wmiller@Clust1.clemson.edu 
 
Newsgroups: bionet.agroforestry,alt.sustainable.agriculture
From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London)
Subject: Re: REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FOR SPECIFIC SITUATION
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:50:36 GMT


In article <1go2usINNjed@CS.UTK.EDU> langston@langston.cs.utk.edu (Mike Langston) writes:
>walker miller (via larry london) writes:
>
>>I am a blueberry grower located in Pickens County South Carolina
>>...I/we would love to here ideas and observations...
>>The gist of our thinking so far is frost is a significant risk
>>factor...
>
>i assume you're growing rabbit-eyes -- we have enough chill
>hours here (knoxville, tennessee) for highbush, which i grow,
>and which seem to have fewer frost problems than rabbit-eyes
>do on comparable sites
>
>>...we are adding 1.5 acres of blackberries over the next 2 years.
>> Will also add raspberries ...
>
>i trust you've either found a satisfactory way of dealing
>with japanese beetles or have low beetle populations there
>
>around here, many folks (me included) have given up and plowed
>under our brambles -- beetle pressures are just too high -- local
>doses of milky spore haven't generally made big enough dents in
>adult populations; pheromone traps cause more harm than good --
>techniques that are endorsed where numbers are small fail here
>
>for some of the favorite beetle foods (e.g., plums), it's either
>load the spray tank after every little shower or face complete
>defoliation in only a few days/hours
>
>growers who still raise brambles have resorted to omitting summer
>pruning (which makes regular mowing difficult), so the beetles can
>keep to the fruit and foliage on top and let the customers pick
>under the beetle clouds (this still doesn't solve the problem
>caused by the flies that rush to the beetle-damaged fruit)
>
>i've grown a little bit of just about everything here, and have
>found that blues, apples and, to a lesser extent, peaches are
>probably the easiest
>
>all this is, of course, strictly anecdotal
>
>i note that many of your concerns are with canopy protection --
>local growers here to the best of my knowledge still opt for 
>full sun
>
>best wishes with your operation
>
>-- 
>mike langston <langston@cs.utk.edu>
>department of computer science, university of tennessee
From: q00023@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Newsgroups: bionet.sci-resources
Subject: HOW TO START INSECT CELL CULTURE
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:52:20 GMT
Distribution: bionet

DEAR HELPER,
	I AM STUDENT IN ST.CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY WHO IS LOOKING FOR WAYS
TO START INSECT CELL CULTURE. THAT WILL BE ONE OF OUR CLASSES  IF THE
CELL LINE DEVELOPES WELL. I HAVE LOOKED AT A LOT OF ARTICLES AND CATALOGES, BUT
I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND ANY USEFULL INFORMATION TO START. THEREFORE I HOPE 
SOMEBODY OUT THERE WILL HELP ME WITH THAT.

THANKS IN ADVANCE.

GABRIEL CHEUNG
From: hoyled@cs.man.ac.uk (Duncan Hoyle (ADM PhD))
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: ultrasound
Date: 11 Dec 92 13:31:17 GMT

Hello.
I don't know if this is in the correct group but here goes anyway.
A friend of mine without access to the net is trying to get hold of
an MSc paper but if not having any success. We are in Manchester,
England, and our library has so far not found what she wants.
I'm posting this hoping that someone may be able to help,by either 
providing the author's address or the department address.

The deatails I have are :-

	BR55980 XR78053Y THESIS
	ROHR ,K R
	EFFECTS OF ULTRASOUND ON BILAYER LIPID MEMBRANES
	MSC
	MAINE
	1976

Thanks 
Duncan

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Duncan Hoyle						   hoyled@cs.man.ac.uk
Room 2.25b						   Tel: 061 275 5740
Dept. of Computer Science
University of Manchester
Oxford Road
Manchester
England 
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Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
From: msg@athene.hh.ri.ccf.org (Mark Galinski)
Subject: Japan NIH
Organization: Molecular Biology, Cleveland Clinic Foundation
Distribution: bionet.users.addresses
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:41:46 GMT

Does anyone know where I can find an e-mail phone book for Japenese
investigators in the Japan NIH?

Thanks in advance.
From: S911896@VAX.CSC.CUHK.HK
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: (none)
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:21:00 GMT
Reply-To: S911896@vax.csc.cuhk.hk
Distribution: bionet

Hello,

If you know the e mail addressers of databases who provide paper abstracts
or paper title index(not gene or protein sequence data), please let me know
as soon as possible.

Thank you in advance.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Sincerely,

Qiu Yaowu
Chinese University of Hong Kong
From: danj@WELCHGATE.WELCH.JHU.EDU (Dan Jacobson)
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: Re: internet address of IIT
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:32:18 GMT
Distribution: bionet


Here are a few machines at the IIT - anybody in particular that
you are looking for?

iitrice.iit.edu
elof.iit.edu
fred.iit.edu
annex02.iit.edu
annex05.iit.edu
bashful.iit.edu
beta.iit.edu
dopey.iit.edu
dpl2.iit.edu
ecevoid.iit.edu
elroy.iit.edu
gandalf.iit.edu
hardrock.iit.edu
iitwest.iit.edu
phillips.iit.edu


Regards,

Dan Jacobson

danj@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
From: gwr@hedonist-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave)
Subject: Re: Pictures in Gopher
Keywords: xloadimage vs xv
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:36:27 GMT

Cornelius Krasel downloads the ann arbor gif Rob Harper mentioned
and can look at it.  He cannot look at Rob without some tweeking.

I had the exact opposite experience.  I got to see Uncle Rob (and
I bet I know who he is ;-), but the Ann Arbor gif just came over
as a file, and I could only look at all the binary mess.

Oh well.  I'm glad I got to see Uncle Rob.

-- 
Graham Redgrave    |    --  I don't speak for the government, 
gwr@life.lanl.gov  |        but I wish the government would speak for me ...  --
From: suter@VAX.MPIZ-KOELN.MPG.dbp.de
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: searching for kenn zerivitz
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:43:28 GMT
Distribution: bionet


as the subject line says: does anybody know where Kenn Zerivitz can be
located ? I need to contact him *urgently* about a professional matter.
last i heard from him, he was employed by an institute in San Fransisco.
if you know him, please let him fax me at xx49-221-5062.213

clemens suter-crazzolara

Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
From: knag@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: looking for R.Pillai UCLA/Berk.etc
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:01:22 GMT

Hi,
I am looking for e-mail adress or snail mail adress of Rajashri Pillai. She 
is somewhere in Biochemistry dept./Molecular Biology at UCLA (may be the 
other UC's such as Berkley, I,m not sure) Would appreciate anybody at UC 
Biology/bichem/mol biol. helping me out. e-mail directly --
thanks in advance.
knag@kean.ucs.mun.ca.
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
From: harper@convex.csc.FI (Rob Harper)
Subject: Re: Japan NIH
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network Project - FUNET
Distribution: bionet.users.addresses
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 08:23:32 GMT

In <msg.7.724441306@athene.hh.ri.ccf.org> msg@athene.hh.ri.ccf.org (Mark Galinski) writes:

>Does anyone know where I can find an e-mail phone book for Japenese
>investigators in the Japan NIH?


Get onto a gopher and look at the world phonebooks, for Asia Pacific you
will have the following options:

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
                                  Asia Pacific

      1.  Australian Academic and Research Network <?>
      2.  Australian Defence Force Academy, New South Wales <CSO>
      3.  Australian National University <?>
      4.  Chinese University of Hong Kong <CSO>
 -->  5.  Japan Network Information Center <?>
      6.  Keio University, Science and Technology Campus, Japan <CSO>
      7.  National Centre for Software Technology, India <?>
      8.  University of Adelaide, Australia <?>
      9.  University of Canterbury, New Zealand <?>
      10. University of Hawaii <CSO>
      11. University of Sydney, Australia <CSO>
      12. University of Western Australia <?>
      13. Victoria University, Wellington, New Zealand <?>
      14. Waikato University, New Zealand <?>

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Do your searches there.

RGDS -=ROB=-

--
 ~ Rob Harper                    ~ E-mail:          harper@convex.csc.fi    
 ~ Finnish State Computer Centre ~ Molbio/software: harper@nic.funet.fi
 ~ P.O. Box 40                   ~ Telephone:       +358 0 457 2076
 ~ SF-02101 Espoo Finland        ~ Fax:             +358 0 457 2302
From: zxmkr08@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Cornelius Krasel)
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: Re: Pictures in Gopher
Keywords: xloadimage vs xv
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:17:58 GMT
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG

In <1992Dec4.132458.5209@nic.funet.fi> harper@convex.csc.FI (Rob Harper) writes:

>The mother of all gophers just put out a gif of their recent conference.

>    11. big Ann Arbor gopher conference picture.gif <Picture>

[stuff deleted about Unix viewers]

>5.  Finnish EMBnet BioBox/

>In there you will find items 15 and 16. I have decided that it is time
>that all my fans should finally see what I really look like... well here
>is your chance:-)

>      15. uncle Rob's Lonely Heart's Club Band (b/w) <Picture>
>      16. uncle Rob's Lonely Heart's Club band (c) <Picture>

Well, there seems to be at least one difference between the Ann
Arbor picture and the Finnish ones (beside their size, the people
they show and other minor things):

When I fetch both of them with the Mac TurboGopher client (V 1.0.5)
only the Ann Arbor Picture is recognized as GIF format (then TurboGopher
automagically tries to start Giffer after downloading); the Finnish
pictures are not, and I had to set the Filetype to GIFf with the
Norton Utilities before I could have a look at the band (BTW,
who is Rob? :-)

Cornelius (yes, it's the silly season :-).
--
/* Cornelius Krasel, Department of Physiological Chemistry, U Tuebingen    */ 
/* email: krasel@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Internet)   HAS CHANGED!!  */
/*        NO WIN/X400 MAIL POSSIBLE AT THE MOMENT!                         */
/* "People are DNA's way of making more DNA." (R. Dawkins / anonymous)     */
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
From: vkg1@Ra.MsState.Edu (VINAY GIDWANI)
Subject: internet address of IIT - Wheaton Campus
Summary: Internet Address IIT - Wheaton Campus
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:27:31 GMT

Hi Does anyone know the internet address of the Illinois Institute of 
Techonology - Wheaton Campus.

My email address is vkg1@ra.msstate.edu
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mississippi State University
Keywords: 


--

Vinay Gidwani
email vkg1@ra.msstate.edu
From: S911896@VAX.CSC.CUHK.HK
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: (none)
Date: 18 Dec 92 08:11:00 GMT
Distribution: bionet

Hello,

I want to send e mail to Professor D. Hedgecock of Bodega Marine Lab of 
University of California at Davis. Please give me Mr. Hedgecock's
E Mail Addresser if you at university of california at Davis can
obtain his account.

Thank you for your helps in advance.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Sincerely,

Qiu Yaowu of Chinese Univeristy of Hong Kong.
From: PARTEE.GROVER@epamail.epa.gov (GROVER PARTEE 206-553-6697)
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: RE: Univerity of Guelph (Ontario)
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:12:00 GMT
Distribution: bionet


          Quoth Mario of the Univ of Tasmania Zoology Department
          = = = = = = = = QUOTATION BEGINS = = = = = = =
          I'd like to get into contact with the Zoology Department of the 
          University of Guelph, Ontario.
          Could anybody help me with an e-mail address??
          = = = = = = = = QUOTATION ENDS = = = = = = = =
          
          My guess is a message to AQUA-L@vm.uoguelph.ca would elicit a 
          felicitous response!  AQUA-L is dedicated to discussion of 
          AQUAculture, but I suspect the also talk to zoologists ... and it 
          is in the right place (whatever that means!) :)
          
          ================================================================
          Grover Partee                          || "What good is a
          PC/LAN Coordinator                     ||  rigorous research
          EPA Region 10, Water Division, M/S 125 ||  agenda if you don't
          1200 Sixth Avenue                      ||  have a decent planet
          Seattle, WA 98020                      ||  to put it on?"
          partee.grover@epamail.epa.gov          ||      David Orr
          =================================================================
From: VLINDERS@RCL.WAU.NL ("Meindert de Jong <VLINDERS@NL.WAU.RCL>")
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: Dr Robert Gilbertson (Univ. Arizona): E-mail address
Date: 19 Dec 92 20:34:00 GMT
Distribution: bionet
X-Envelope-To: bionauts@daresbury.ac.uk
X-Vms-Cc: @I
Original-To: bionauts@uk.ac.daresbury, vlinders@NL.WAU.RCL
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
X-Vms-To: IN%"bionauts@daresbury.ac.uk"

Could somebody out there give me the E-mail address or Fax
address of:

Dr. Robert L. Gilbertson, Dept. of Plant PAth. Univ. of Arizo-
na, Tucson.

THANKS!

\ \__1 | / /`        M\/M
'\___---/ /`         M  Meindert de Jong
   ~| ---/' 
   ~|  |             Vlinders@RCL.WAU.NL
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
From: Mario.Salamon@zoo.utas.edu.au (Mario Salamon)
Subject: Univerity of Guelph (Ontario)
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:15:31 GMT

Hello there,

I'd like to get into contact with the Zoology Department of the University 
of Guelph, Ontario.
Could anybody help me with an e-mail address??

Thanks. 
-Mario

Zoology Department
University of Tasmania
Australia                      e-mail: mario.salamon@zoo.utas.edu.au
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:42:14 EST
From: <PQQ@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: bionet.users.addresses
Subject: Re: Looking for Tim Graham at Penn State
Distribution: usa

Timothy John Graham at Penn State:
TJG115@psuvm (bitnet) or psuvm.psu.edu (internet)