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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: The 2099 books should NOT go! ... and Spidey titles
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:41:14 GMT

>>>All (sorry PAD) the 2099 line.
>>Am I the only one who thinks these titles are even halfway decent? Maybe
>>it's because I've become a fan of such "cyberpunk"-style fiction that I
>>enjoy SPIDER-MAN 2099 and DOOM 2099 most of all. 
>
>	Count me in, too!  Spidey 2099 is a consistently enjoyable read,
>and as I have posted before, holds great promise.  I hope this one lasts
>a long time, and with the same creative team.  Am I the only person who
>likes Leonardi's art?  Doom 2099 is good, too, but the other two are
>throwaways from what I've seen / heard.  This 2099 Unlimited thing might
>be alright.

My point is that an entire comic book line cannot be sustained by one
good title. I sort of like Spidey 2099 (considering how much I normally
dislike Spidey, this is impressive), but it is the only good one. Ravage
is garbage, I have heard nothing but negatives on Punisher and I won't
collect Doom. The writing is okay, but it still doesn't strike me as how
Doom would behave.
Basically, unless the line improves, Spidey 2099 might be the only one
left and I can't see an entire imprint based on one titl.
>
>>Does anybody have a reason--other than they fact that they're new
>>titles--for seeing the 2099 line go?
>
>	I guess not.

They may collapse because they are new and that is the kind of thing
that tends to go first in an implusion. They haven't had time to build
up a large fan base, therefore there is less outcry when they are
cancelled. Also, I don't think they are good enough quality. With the
possible exception of Spidey 2099 I don't think the 2099 line is going
to have much fan support in the long run.  

>>>Some of the Spidey titles, especially one of the reprint titles
>>ONE of them? He has more than one?

Spider-Man Classics will start printing sometime in the spring. Do we
really need two Spidey reprint titles? I think not.

I don't mean to sound like I'm jumping on Spider-Man completely (which
is how Gord will take it), but I just stated some of the titles that I
think will go. Call it gut instinct, but I do not think that many of the
titles I had listed have the necessary staying power to survive an
implusion at Marvel.

_craig

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From: twhite@mozart.amd.com (Tom White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Presidents in comics
Date: 7 Jan 93 06:58:55 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1ievitINNdi0@alice.cs.purdue.edu> berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger) writes:
>Perhaps most famously, Superman revealed his identity to John F.
>Kennedy in an issue of Action (#306?) that was shipped right around
>the time of his death.

   The issue had been prepared and ready to ship when Kennedy was assassinated.
DC was in a quandry until someone in the Johnson administration -- perhaps
LBJ himself -- and the Kennedy family gave their blessing, reasoning that
JFK wanted to see it printed and therefore, it should be so.

   Others I can think of:

   Superboy meeting JFK in a flashback in Superman #296 or thereabouts;
lettercols a few issues later claimed it should've been Ike instead
(he was only shown from the back, but the hair was distinctive), but the
timing wasn't that critical.

   Green Arrow attempted a presidential assassination (blackmailed by
a federal agency) in GL/GA #95 (+- 2).  Again, the prez wasn't shown
facially, and this was soon after the 1976 election (so during production
they didn't know if it'd be Ford or Carter) but it pretty much appears
to be Carter.

   Jerry Ford doing a one-panel telecast at the end of a Wonder Woman issue
somewhere in the #220's (224?).  Right around the Bicentennial issues.

   George Washington appeared at least once in the Tomahawk series,
pre-presidential.

   Reagan kinda/sorta appeared in the final chapter of Batman: Ten Nights
Of The Beast.

   Reagan also appeared in Jon Sable, Freelance #1.


--
 Thomas White          | Comparison is always a losing game. 
 Austin, Texas         |  
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From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Christmas with Delirium (Spoiler?)
Organization: The Color Blind Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:12:40 GMT

In article <rible.726184834@vorpal> rible@vorpal.dell.com (Max "Risque Warlocks" Rible) writes:
>carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec24.000729.21832@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes...
>>>>- More eye references. I'm assuming that Del's eyes really, truly are 
>>>>  both supposed to be green in the final page.
>
>>  Neil just posted on GEnie that it's another coloring error.  NEXT issue,
>>they'll really be the same color for two panels.....
>
>After _Brief Lives_ ends, it'd be good to see an errata sheet stating
>the general principle we should be assuming for Delirium's eyes and
>word balloons, and when the changes are significant rather than
>erroneous...  Just for us nuts who love hunting for significant details
>(like cockroach marathons and rats wearing Mardi Gras heads).

Ah, perhaps this is a cunning plot to sell more copies of the Brief Lives
trade paperback. I can picture the big splash sticker on the front proudly
announcing, "New and Corrected Coloring! This time for sure!" 

Rats wearing Mardi Gras hats? I thought they wore coonskin caps, the ones
with the heads still on 'em. 

-----------------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith  | "Good grief! He's dead! He must have cracked his 
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  shell when you pulled that football away. Maybe
  Idea shamelessly stolen,  |  we can get your brother to bury him in the 
   then slightly modified.  |  pumpkin patch with the others."    _Peanuts_ 
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From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: More info about Superman's "return"
Organization: Legion of Super-Pets Auxiliary
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:22:43 GMT

From today's Boston Herald, quoting from a news conference held by DC
Spokesflack Martha Thomases:

The four new Supermen will show up in Adventures of Superman #500, followed
the next month by each of them "starring in a special issue". One is
John Henry Irons, a black steelworker (who must have gotten a lot of
ribbing by his co-workers for his name) who was buried alive during the
fight with Doomsday. Another is a teenager who "appears to be cloned from
Superman". The third is a cyborg from space who "proclaims himself a
Superman retooled for the future". And finally, a "cold super-being who 
relentlessly takes the law into his own hands".

In response to a question about how Irons could be the original Superman
given that he's black and Superman was roughly the same shade as Michael
Jackson (wait a sec...), Thomases responded "Technically, Superman isn't
a caucasian. He's a Kryptonian." Guess that island of black Kryptonians
got retconned during the Byrne makeover...

"The ultimate metric that I would like to propose for user friendliness is
quite simple: if this system was a person, how long would it take before you
punched it in the nose?" --Tom Carey 
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: jordan@castor (Jet Jaguar)
Subject: All-Time Squiddies?
Keywords: Get Anxious!
Organization: University of Georgia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:54:29 GMT

Is there or has there ever been a Squiddie awards that isn't limited to
one year, where we could vote on our favorite issues/series/etc of all
time?  (And when I say all-time, I of course mean... well, you get the idea.)

If not, would y'all be interested in seeing the results?  I would probably
be able to handle votes thru my mail system if somebody could give me some
pointers to make it easier.  Regardless, I'd be interested in seeing what
some others of you would put on your lists.  (I think "Mage" would top my
list for just about everything, for instance.)

Maybe this could even be part of the "alternate" squiddies that tyg is
doing...

Chuck

-- 
                  Chuck Jordan | jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu
"It's for you, McGruff."
"Did you hear what he called me?  I HATE that!  Let's sneak up into his
room and drain all the liquid out of his body."		-- Sam & Max
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From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Re: Action Comics 686 (clones)
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:10:58 GMT

In article <1ijuv3INNdna@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:

Well it looks like the clone theory will be a reality. The project
>head of the Camdus Project had Superman's body stolen from his tomb,
>and will be attempting to clone him using the same methods they used
>to heal the Guardian. There was much debating as to if it would work
>since the Guardian was still alive when the process was done, and they
>wouldn't have to mind to put in the new body. Dubilex may be able to
>project a Superman persona into the clone, from past mind melds with
>Superman. Also they can't figure out how to get a DNA sample since
>Superman is still invulnerable.

His hair isn't invulnerable.

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Addresses
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 07:53:27 EST

Could someone send me the address of Bud Plant so I can order a 
catalogue?  Also Kitchen Sink?  Please?

Namaste,
Elizabeth



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From: ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff)
Subject: Re: Futuristic Pseudocussing
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:38:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.152015.336@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.o
hio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>Actually, do you seriously expect the language of cussing to remain totally
>unchanged for over a hundred years?  Fuck will have faded into
>obscurity and historical dramas, and even Shock seems on its way out, judging
>by how often it is used.  Hopefully PAD or one of the other 2099 writers will
>come up with a new phrase that can make most of the characters blush, and use
>it very infrequently and only in dire situations (Belgium, man!).

Such as "Nass" or "Bloody Grife" - one of the better things T&M have brought to 
LSH (it's just so much fun to shout in a crowded shopping mall!! - no one has a 
clue what you're talking about, but they all look shocked nonetheless).

Was there any previous usage of these and other 30th cantury cuss words before
LHSv4, or have we ever been given any indication what they mean?
     kristoff
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: IMAGE: Jim Valentino -- what's the deal?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 07:46:24 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Keywords: He's such a pompous irritant.  I'd like to slap his creamy head. 
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <C0ML2D.E09@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor (Jet Jaguar) writes:


+>Okay, from what I understand of Image, the idea is this: Really popular
+>artists from Marvel books get to make up their own characters and write
+>AND draw their own books, making sure to include frequent crossovers with
+>each other to build up their own Image universe.

+>My question is this:  How does Jim Valentino (I think that's his name)
+>creator of ShadowHawk, fit into this?  What's the story on this guy?  Was
+>he a big-name writer/artist with any of the other companies?  How did he
+>get included in this whole Image deal?

	He was writer/artist for Guardians of the Galaxy for Marvel.  That
was how he got in.  That book was like a second-tier hot artist book
at Marvel.
	He got included in image because image doesnt really amount to 
more than an agreement between a group of artists and Malibu.  Malibu
prints and distributes in exchange for a cut....and the creators bearing
part of the financial risk.



+>The reason I'm asking is because I just mistakenly read ShadowHawk number
+>1.  (My brother bought it.  Honest.)  I expected the writing to be bad, but
+>this was too much!  I haven't been to New York City in some time, granted,
+>but since when did Soho turn into a seedy dangerous part of town?  Even
+>the guys at Wizard (the most fanboy comics magazine of them all) were ragging
+>on this part!  And even if you're into the whole Liefeld/McFarlane/etc/etc
+>school of art, I don't see how you could be impressed with the art on this
+>book.  It was completely juvenile and adolescent.  The whole thing just
+>seemed like "My First Comic Book."  I was amazed that it was put out by a
+>real, professional comics company.  (Even if it is Image.)

	The look of the art is his attempt to create a new "style" for 
himself.  It obviously did not work.



+>Seriously.  I'm not posting just to rag on the guy, I want to know what the
+>story is.  Who is he?  How did he get to be so  popular?  How did he get
+>to work at Image?  Did he used to work for Marvel or something?  Is he another
+>of the "hot artists?"  Answer me!!

	The sad thing is that Valentino did some real impressive stuff both
in terms of writing and art before he went to work for Marvel.  I think,
like Jim Starlin, he is just in it for the money and will churn out trash
as long as people buy it.
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Harvey does Ultraman (recommended!)
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:31:16 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > Get Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman to write UltraMan. And John Byrne to
 > draw it.
 > 
 > Anyone know about UltraMan's History?! How many UltraPeople are
 > there and how many of them came to the Earth?
 > 
 > I remember some childhood chinese comics where there was an
 > Ultraman Corps, just like the Green Lanterns ...

Well, there have been a lot of ULTRAMAN television series from Japan.
ULTRAMAN was the first, and this is the one that got airplay on American
TV in the 70's.  The hero would turn into Ultraman by activating his
"beta-cap" or something like that -- holding this rod up in the air.
Then there was ULTRA SEVEN, which WAS prepared for American release I
believe but was never actually distributed.  In this one, the hero puts
on a pair of glasses, and his eyes sparkle, and he turns into an
Ultraman.  There were a lot more, even a cartoon which I've seen in an
American edition in a video store recently.  I remember seeing some
"Ultraman Family" toys with a whole lot of Ultraman characters, all with
slight variations on the costume (some with horns, some female, etc.)

There is/was a magazine called MARKALITE that I've seen in some comic
stores that specialized in Japanese live-action programs.  One issue had
a whole article on Ultraman, though I'm not sure which issue.  I
remember the magazine didn't seem to sell particularly well, though, and
I have seen back issues available.  There was another issue that had a
feature on Godzilla as well.  Both articles listed all the programs and
movies produced for their respective characters, and in retrospect I
wish I'd picked up both of them.  The Ultraman one probably has the most
information on Ultraman I've ever seen in one place in English.

Speaking of the comic book, I've seen an ad for Ultraman in the 1000th
issue of COMICS BUYER'S GUIDE in full color, and it looks like it may
have promise.  I'll still have to see it on the stands before I buy it
though.
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From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Justice Society #7
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date:  8 Jan 93 23:39:12 GMT

When I first heard the news about _JSA_'s cancellation, I was upset.  Since
then, I've decided it's the best thing that could happen to the book,
unless Roy Thomas comes back to DC.  So far I've seen enough continuity
glitches to make me painfully aware that Len Strazewski either never read
_All-Star Squadron_ and _Young All-Stars_ (and _Infinity, Inc_ for that
matter) or that he's completely forgotten what happened in them.  Though I
love seeing the JSA in action again, I can't ignore things like Joan's
considerable younger appearance than she's been shown in _Flash_ (though I
can write that off because everybody at _Flash_ forgot that Joan's suppsoed
to age more slowly anyway--she was with Jay when Ian Karkull exploded) and
a reference to a "Dian" who's somehow connected with Sandman (if it's Dian
Belmont, then Strazewski forgot she died in 1941!).

I'd love to see the _JSA_ continue, but I'd rather see it continue with a
writer who can research his material more thoroughly, and with an art team
who can do less cartoonish work.


--

 _______________ Alan Williams | vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu _________________
 \/ KIRA: Red alert!  Raise shields!                                       \/
    O'BRIEN: What shields?
                                --"Emissary," _Star Trek: Deep Space Nine_

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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn)
Subject: Re: Fantastic Four
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:58:44 GMT

In article <C0JJIA.Cw7@news.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  ) writes:
>>I agree that Byrne did a great job on the FF, but what Doom stories did
>>Simonson write, besides the #350 garbage? I would like to add Marv Wolfman
>>as a good FF and Doom writer--I thoroughly enjoyed the build-up to issue
>>#200.
>>
>What! Simonson's Doom was not garbage. It was a/ a beautiful way to
>retcon every Dr. Doom story where Doom is completely out of character
>out of existance. and b/ The first time Doom acted like Doom in ages. A
>good Dr. Doom characterization should either scare the hell out of you
>or give you a sense of awe.  The story that Simonson wrote didn't so
>much scare me as give me the feeling that this WAS Doom and that you
>could tell from the way he was talking, behaving, even standing.
>
>The only other Doom story I have seen recently that can compare was John
>Byrne's Doom in Namor. That was a scarier Doom, but it was more in the
>way that Jae Lee drew him than it was Byrne's writing. Still, a good
>Doom story all the same.
>

The reason I said this was garbage was a) Either Doom was flat-out lying to
everybody about being gone for so long (which would be completely out of
character--he usually only lies when he misinterprets the truth) or 
he had robots built with magical powers, false faces, etc. This story
simply does not fit into previous Doom stories unless you REALLY stretch
the powers of the Doombots. b) This story was retconned away by a story
in FF #358 which tried to say that what we saw in #350 never even happened.
Excalibur showed where Doom got his silver armour, and I doubt there will
ever be another reference to what happened in #358. Taken by itself, I
enjoyed #350, but it just doesn't work for me when the other stories are
taken into account.

I agree that the Namor storyline was very good and very well done--I am
not really impressed with the Doom of FF #373--he does not really look
menacing at all, and the Doctor seems to be talking about himself in
the third person in every scene he is depicted. It kind of takes the 
feeling out of it when it is overdone....
-- 

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From: price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu (John Price)
Subject: Animated Batman series
Reply-To: price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Particle Physics Research Group
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 20:18:06 GMT

Why do they advertise all week that Sunday's episode will be "all new!" and 
then show a repeat ("If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?")?

Arrrgh...

           John Price * * * * price@uclapp.physics.ucla.edu
           Where there is no solution, there is no problem.
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: UX#298: Letters Page Bigot
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:43:33 GMT
Return-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>

I know this has nothing to do with the current storyline (or maybe it does),
but It simply amazes me the vehement bigotry that embraces so many people.
My God it's so deeply embedded in this society I'm sure it'll take decades
to ween it to a more tolerant and kinder society.  Jami Johnson is such a
blatant example of this "ugly" trait.  It was nice, however, to see the
restrained yet sharply contrasting reply Bob Harris gave to that willfully
hateful fan.  I find Marvel's (as well as D.C.'s and others') move toward
tolerance a refreshing and enlightening challenge.  Afterall, a good number
of comics fans are preteens and slightly older.  Perhaps Marvel, like others
is doing it part to help change this great nation of ours, and perhaps the
whole world and to help bring a little tolerance into the lives of mostly
young boys who might've otherwise grown up to be hateful of those they don't
understand, and perhaps, even give others a little hope and a sense of
self-respect.

So, until Northstar & the Illuminator become best friends.....a well even if
they do ;-)  ....Make Mine Marvel.
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Action Comics 686 (clones)
Date: 9 Jan 93 13:52:58 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <C0KG3G.4Mo@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn) writes:
> In article <SS.93Jan8194545@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>>>>>> On 8 Jan 93 23:23:59 GMT, vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) said:
>>
>>vanyel> In <1993Jan8.211058.12461@sol.UVic.CA>
>>vanyel> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>>
>>jcowling> His hair isn't invulnerable.
>>
>>vanyel> His hair *is* invulnerable.  That's why he had to cut it with
>>vanyel> his own heat vision.
>>
>>True. He shaves my relecting his heat vision off a piece of metal from
>>the space ship he arrived on Earth in. Besides, if his hair wasn't
>>invulnerable, it would have been burned off long ago.
>>
> Forgive my ignorance, but doesn't this mean his hair _is_ vulnerable? Surely
> Supes heat vision is not so ungodly powerful that Cadmus couldn't come
> up with a laser that could do the same trick?

But, would the boys at Cadmus think of this?  
Actually, would the WRITERS think of this.  My answer: probably not.  
Of course, the way it is now, I also say who cares?  It's a rotten comic.

dayvhid
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Best Death? (Was Re: Random thoughts on Supes)
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 11:41:28 GMT

I'd have to say that Cypher's death in NEW MUTANTS was the best for two
reasons:

a) It wasn't a noble sacrifice or had any "special meaning". He got shot,
and died. Like that.

b) It's one of the few Marvel deaths THAT HAS STAYED #@!#$ING PERMANENT!

For sheer humor, any death along the lines of the dwarf in X-FORCE #14,
pages 27-28:

MIDGET: "Oh, he knows, Mr. Cable. And he's more than ready to face you!"

BANG! (actually, it was "ZAMM!")

CABLE: "A midget with an electrical whip. Right."

Again, that simplicity thing...

Jay (=