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From: comm117@unixg.ubc.ca (Chin)
Subject: Re: Ultrasound release this Friday
Summary: Phone Number for Software Alley
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:59:58 GMT

It's (604)739-9399


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: orb@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Randolph Turner)
Subject: Gravis, Gravis, and more Gravis.
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:47:56 GMT

  This whole Gravis thing reminds me of.......the whole Adlib thing.  I
remember how the propaganda, the cutting-down of other sound cards, the "it's
almost shipping right now in ten minutes two days from now next week" stories
and "it'll top everything out there at half the price" posts were cluttering
this group.  And, the final grand culmination of all this hooey was that the
people who were thumbing their noses and "holding out for something better"
are probably still listening to the beeps and boops of the infernal PC
speaker and the Adlib went into the toilet.

  I think it's time to see the product (*if* anyone ever sees it) and cool the
speculation a bit.  I heard 32, 2, and 4 individual digital channels being
quoted and one bit of information from a person who referred to the sampled 
voice data as a "patch".  Ugh!

  I have this vision of the card finally making it to market and being sold to
a bunch of uninformed people who will either be disappointed at the lack of
promised features, or be so taken in by their new aquisition that they will
defend a mindless hunk of glass epoxy and silicon "to the death". 

  At the very least, I shall find it entertaining (regardless of the outcome).

  BTW, I have a SoundBlaster Pro in a 486/33 running it's bus at 11mhz with
*ZERO* noise or lockup problems experienced by some folks on the net.  Maybe
I'm just lucky, but I have had nothing but good experiences with the Pro card
and it's been in my computer for over 6 months now.  Let's hope the Gravis is
as well supported by software houses and it's creators.  This is not an ad for
Soundblasters, just a bit of reality.  Every game (or program) I have seen
that includes digital sound as a feature supports the the SB, and if your
card isn't compatible.....well, you take your chances.

Randy
X-Star-Trek-Quote: He's Dead Jim.
X-School: Penn State University
X-Nickname: <<APOCALYPSE>>, Lord of Destruction
Organization: Penn State Star Trek club
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:25:21 EDT
From: Matthew E. Bernold <MEB117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: BBS copied to FTP sites
 <1992Aug27.101306.13701@pwa-b.uucp>

In article <1992Aug27.101306.13701@pwa-b.uucp>, you say:
>
>The phone number for media vision is 1-800-348-7116 and ask for developer
>relations.

I just called this number, and the recording says to call 1-800-472-6147
for developer relations.  I called that number, and got no answer.

       Matthew E. Bernold             MEB117@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
         <<APOCALYPSE>>                  meb@haydn.psu.edu
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:03:03 -0400 
From: "Robert W. Igo" <ri09+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Notation question...

Forgive me if this is in a FAQ somewhere (if so, where??) but could anyone
provide a listing of the different suffixes that sound files can have, and
what cards can play them, and what programs can play them?  For example:

VOC      Creative Labs standard       SoundBlaster/SBPro
SND      ...                          ...
SOU      ...                          ...
WAV      ...                          ...
...      ...                          ...

and so on...

I'd appreciate this a whole lot!

[******************************** Bob Igo ********************************]
"It ACTUALLY worked...." --Colin Baker as Dr. Who

[************************** ri09+@andrew.cmu.edu *************************]
From: andrew@sparky.waterloo.edu (Andrew MacLean)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Upgrading SB to 2.0
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:10:13 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Waterloo

I currently have a sound blaster card, and the test-sb command reports
that I have version 1.1? chipset. How do I upgrade this to version 2.0?
Does anyone have the email address of the company, or a mailing address?
Does anyone know the cost involved?

Thanks in advance.
TTFN
andrew

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: vonk@cs.rochester.edu (Peter VonKaenel)
Subject: Soundblaster question
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester
Distribution: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:20:25 GMT


Hi,

I have been thinking about getting a soundboard, but I am not sure
what to get.  I have a 486/33 and the card would be used for games.
I have noticed that Soundblaster makes the card the most of my games
use, but I know that there is a Soundblaster, Soundblaster Pro Basic,
and Soundblaster Pro.  I have heard that high speed computers have
problems with the regular Soundblaster; is that true?  Also, what is
the difference between the Pro and the Pro Basic?  Generally, I want to
know what card would be good for games and would work with my system.
If the regular Soundblaster works with a 486/33 then I would consider that
card since it is less expensive and would only be used for games.
Please, toss in whatever knowledge you have.

Thanks,
Peter von Kaenel  (vonk@cs.rochester.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: dedmunds@selkirk.sfu.ca (Darran Edmundson)
Subject: Ultrasound release this Friday
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:50:18 GMT

Software Alley here in Vancouver (the home of Gravis) expects to have
the Ultrasound in their store on Friday.

-- 

Darran Edmundson
darran@chaos.phys.sfu.ca
Organization: Middle East Technical University - Computer Center
Date: Tuesday, 25 Aug 1992 12:36:16 TUR
From: <ERGUL@TRMETU.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Gravis address ???

I need the address of Gravis (who is releasing UltraSound) urgently.
Can anybody provide it?

Thanks
Ayhan Ergul   ergul@trmetu.bitnet
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard:1607 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:23163
From: poe@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: PLEASE HELP: SB 1.0 gibberish!
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:20:38 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hello World.

I have a Sound Blaster 1.0 and I've noticed some strange goings on.
My system:
386/40 8MB RAM
DR-DOS 6.0 w/Win3.1 patch

When I try to do TEST-SBC, and try FM Music, I get a loud harsh blast
of incoherent notes. It ends up with some of the notes stuck "on"
until I reboot my computer. All other tests seem to work fine.

I play a number of games, amd the only one that seems to have this same
symptom is Wing Commander II. The intro scene has garbled music, but
everything else seems to work.

The only quirk that I can think of about my system is that the bus is
based on CPU speed divided by 2,3 or 4. So on a 40MHz, my ISA bus
runs at 10MHz, not 8. Can this be the problem? 

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Phil
POE@WHARTON.UPENN.EDU
From: bfowler@pbs.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: WARNING!!!!!
Date: 30 Aug 92 07:41:07 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

WARNING!!!!!!!
This warning is in refgerence to a file called: AAUDIO.ZIP
Author is: Gregory j. Pierro
Address is: P.O. Box 41
            Exeter, CA 93221
AAUDIO is a pgm that runs under Windows and plays sound files.
I sent the requested $15.00 registration fee to him on the 6th of June 92.
Sent a followup letter on the 7th of July 92 (with no reply received).
Requested a trace from the Post Office on the money order and was
notified that he had cashed the money order on July 07, 1992.
Assuming that this is not just over looked by the author I wil take
furhter action from the Post Office for fraud.
I wanted to warn any others before you try to register this pgm.
If anyone HAS received the registered version of this pgm will yoluxxx
you please let me know or anyone who has registered the pgm and NOT
received it let me know also.
Thank you.
Bob Fowler, SYSOP of the BBBB in Clinton, MD.
From: hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: PAS16:TBPRO-->HELP!!!!!
Date: 31 Aug 92 08:56:50 GMT

Hello SAWATDEE!

Tuesday August 25 1992 00:01, SAWATDEE wrote:

 S>    which is normal..But after I run DMAFIX.EXE located under the TBPRO
 S>    directory, the computer beeps through my stereo speakers hooked up
 S>    to my PAS16...Any ideas what may be going on??

Doesn't sound entirely bad.. after all, on the SBPro you have to physically
short wires to do this.. and you've got it with software! :-)


Regards,
Hamish


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: jching@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (John Y. Ching)
Subject: Programming to use SB-Pro in WIN31 using ObjectVision
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:57:36 GMT

Can someone tell me if there is a way to have ObjectVision programs access
the SB-Pro card?  The SB-Pro drivers that came with WIN31 are probably
DLL's, but is there some kind of documentation on how to use the DLL
functions?  

Thanks in advance.

-- 
 John Y. Ching (jching@watnow.waterloo.edu)     
 Pattern Analysis and Machine Intelligence Group
 Department of Systems Design Engineering      
 University of Waterloo, Canada            
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: then@vipunen.hut.fi (Tomi  H Engdahl)
Subject: Looking for Turbo Pascal Sound Blaster programmin library
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: comp
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:48:08


I would like to get a PD or shareware programming library for turbo pascal.
I would not like to write library myself if one already exist.
Or is it a better idea to try to find C programming library ?

I have seen articles about such library in alt.sb.prorammer newsgroup
months ago, but I am unable to find those files mentioned in them.
--

Tomi.Engdahl@hut.fi            "Don't force it; get a larger hammer"
then@vipunen.hut.fi                        
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: toxic@nuchat.sccsi.com (Mark Steckler)
Subject: Re: .mod files..
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:46:11 GMT

Will someone be so kind as to send me all of the related topic faq's for this
newsgroup?

Thanks.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: derek@morris.b17d.ingr.com (Derek Morris)
Subject: SBPro Basic Improvements?
Keywords: SBPro
Reply-To: derek@morris.b17d.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville Al.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:42:18 GMT

The Sound Blaster Pro Basic now comes w/o midi cables (cheapest
I've seen is $159).  This "New Version" is also on a smaller
card with more surface mount chips.  Has this new version been
improved over the old Pro?  I have an opportunity to upgrade and
was wondering if I would gain anything by doing so.  Is the Gravis
worth waiting for?  Thanks for any feedback.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: uteca042@unibi.uni-bielefeld.de (0116)
Subject: Ultrasound MIDI
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:33:41 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld

I have heard much about the Gravis UltraSound. But there is one device on
the Ultrasound, I heard only much different stuff about it. It is the
MIDI Interface. Gravis writes in the Product Specification Sheet:

" MIDI Support Industry Standard (6850 UART) ... with connectors for MIDI
in, out and through is included ".

But I read some mails in this Newsgroup with other information: The
specification of the MIDI Interface has changed and the connectors
for MIDI will not support with the card.

Is there anybody who knows exactly about it? I own a MT 32 but no
MIDI Interface, so it is important for me to know: Is the MIDI Interface
MPU 401 (Roland) compatible?

Thanks for your efforts

Dirk Meinicke
Internet: uteca042@unibi.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de


Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: anuj@fwi.uva.nl (Anuj Dev)
Subject: PAS16 updates
Keywords: PAS16
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:36:37 GMT

Is there an ftp site for getting the updates of the PAS16 software?
Or does anybody want to make it availible?



anuj@carol.fwi.uva.nl
From: tardif@montmorency.ulaval.ca (Pierre-Martin Tardif)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Composing & notation software... help me!
Date: 30 Aug 92 19:37:00 GMT
Organization: Universite Laval

Hi !
	I bought a Roland SCC-1 card to compose music and
I wonder which software I should use ?????

	I have some information on MusicTime from PASSPORT
and that's all...  I looked in Computer Shopper and the
only advertise came from Soundware.  They were offering
Band In A Box Prof., Encore, Finale, Ballade, MusicPrinter
Plus, Musicator, The Copyist and SCORE 3.

	I really need help because I am lost in that jungle.

	Also, how do I interface my SCC-1 card with Windows 3.1 ????

Thank you a lot !

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Laboratoire de Vision et Systemes Numeriques
Universite Laval, Pavillon Adrien-Pouliot, local 00100-I, Ste-Foy, Quebec,
Canada, G1K 7P4         (418-656-2131, ext 4848)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: mudrc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Daniel R. Crowson)
Subject: Re: Assembly'92 Demos
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:03:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.091105.24616@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> ehchua@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Eu Hin Chua) writes:
>
>	Is it my imagination, or have all the files in this directory
>been deleted? I logged on today and was confronted by a further set of
>subdirectories, examples being "Links386games","EURODEMOS" and "Hacker".
>Most of the directories were empty...
>	Is this just a temporary situation? I would REALLY like to get
>my hands on that demo! ;)
>
>	Eu Hin Chua
>	 

  If anyone wants to take a look, my demo is in Hacker...  It's not on
  the scale of any of the assemble '92 demos, but its a demo!  :)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: coteb@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Why can't I record on my PAS16 ?
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:48:10 GMT

I have a question.  Why can't I record using the microphone on my PAS16?  I
plugged it into the mic jack but nothing records when I play the file back.  I
am pretty sure I tried recording using the right microphone setups.  Hope it's
not a defective board.  I know the mic works.  Any help whatsoever will be
greatly appreciated.  Thank you all!

Brian

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: impster@ais.org (Charles Budensiek)
Subject: Re: Big delay from Gravis
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:37:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.030100.4328@midway.uchicago.edu> nbw1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Just heard today from reliable sources...that Gravis
>has pushed the release date of the Gravis Ultrasound to
>...
>NOVEMBER 8th.
>
>crumb ill buy something else from someone who doesnt delay.
>
>
>N Ben Williams
>no email please
>

The people at Electronic Arts still say it should be shipped out
by the end of the month <August>. Would you care to name
these "reliable sources"?

After all, these reliable sources could be an undermining plot by
another company to disrepute Gravis. :) <Sarcasm for the humor impaired>
 
Imp
From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: .MOD editors, MIDI converters
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:54:04 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...


     Hi Folks! I'm rather new to the soundcard "business". I've got a
Soundblaster (2.0), and a 386/16sx. I'm looking for some advice on a few
things: 

     1. I'm looking for a good .MOD editor/composer, and am not sure
          what's available thats worth anything. I was hoping to find one
          that was accept actual notes (musical notation, like most MIDI
          editors), but it is my understanding that this type of editor
          isn't available. If it matters, I've got about 28 years total
          music experience, in about 4 different instruments, so I'm by no
          means new to music! :-)
 
     2. In lieu of a MIDI-style editor for .MODs, is there a MIDI->.MOD
          converter? Again, it's my understanding that this is not
          available, but it's worth asking. I do comprehend the fact that
          MIDI formats are inherently different from MOD formats, so no
          flames on this, please. :-)


     Any help is GRATEFULLY accepted!

                                   Jeff


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
From: jjhoxsey@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Major Lee Obvious)
Subject: Re: Darklands is here!!
Organization: ACME Acres Looniversity Public Relations.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:03:35 GMT

	One thing I have noticed about this game, and it has nothing
to do with actual playing, is that there is a program included in the
PICS directory which will allow you to view nearly all the *.PIC
files.  So, if you feel like going through 448 files....  8)
	Some of the images are quite well done, while others leave a
lot to be imagined.
	As for the game, I discovered the PIC viewing program before I
ever started playing, and after that, I did not have enough time to
play.  From the posts here, it looks kinda mixed!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
From: brown-sh@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (shawn c brown)
Subject: EOB I
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:10:26 GMT

	Does anyone out there know where to find the stone ring??  I've
gone all the way down to the green level and can't find it.  I have the
dagger, scepter and amulet already.

	Thanks,
		Shawn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
From: dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil)
Subject: Re: Problem with WC2
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:32:11 GMT


dwong@terapin.com (Don Wong) writes:

>OK...I got WC2 and the speech pack a while ago and installed them both on my HD
>without too much trouble.  Everything was fine, the game was cool, and I was
>killing a lot of Kilralthi.  Then one day the music started screwing up, just a
>little bit, and then the speech would get garbled, and then it would lock up
>more and more often.  Now it's gotten to the point where I can't even play the
>game, the music never plays right and it locks up all the time.  It worked
>before...why doesn't it work now?  Especially since my configuration has
>changed at all.
>Here it is in case your interested:  386-33, 8 megs ram, QEMM v6.02, Smartdrv
>(yes, I tried disabling this, but it still didn't work).  And I'm not running
>this under a Stacked drive.  Any ideas?

OK, this sounds exactly like the problem I had with WC2. Are you
using Stealth? If so, there's your problem. Just take out the ST:?
command from the parameters to QEMM386 in your CONFIG.SYS.

                  - Damien
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
From: fishkin@Xerox.com (Ken Fishkin)
Subject: Re: Civ - Looks like it is all over.
Reply-To: fishkin@Xerox.com (Ken Fishkin)
Organization: Xerox PARC
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:06:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.162608.28334@uwm.edu>, snetzel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott V Netzel) writes:
> Anyone know of any games out there like civ?
    Well, it is only mildly like Civ, but my fav-o-rite game is
"Railroad Tycoon", also done by Sid Meier, the guy who did Civ.
    On a side note, those who subscribe to "Computer Games Strategy Plus"
mag ($32 for 1 yr) get a free RRT! This is quite a deal as I believe
that RRT costs more than that by itself. I don't know that much about
the mag, but this seems quite a deal.

-- 
Ken Fishkin	fishkin@xerox.com
From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Subject: Re: Wing Commander III wishlist
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:46:21 GMT
X-Phone: +44 703 593257

In <s106275.714773412@ee.tut.fi> s106275@ee.tut.fi (Saari Anssi) writes:

>Yes, 3D radar. I'm playing WC I again, currently SM1 and I really hope I could
>see just where the cats are...

Elite for the BBC Micro (written 10 years ago) had the best 3d radar I've
seen in a game.  It is similar to the WC radar but the blips were in either
red or blue (I think) stalks to indicate whether they were above or below
you (ie. the z-component).  Very effective and simple.

I'd also like to see more Falcon-isms in WCIII.  Basically, I'd like to
see a space version of Falcon 3, with open campaigns rather than lots of
fixed plots and irrelevant graphics.

And ... GET RID OF THOSE PIGGIN' ASTEROIDS !!!

Tim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games,rec.games.misc
From: steveco@microsoft.com (Stephen Cox)
Subject: Space Quest I & II
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:33:36 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

I've got an opportunity to pick up both these games 
for a good price but the seller doesn't have the
original docs, just the original disks.  He claims
that they aren't copy protected so I shouldn't need
the manuals.  Can anyone confirm this for me?  Do
I need the manuals to get into or finish either of
these games?

Also, do either one of them support SoundBlaster?
I just got a SB card and I'm anxious to play a new
game that supports it but neither my budget or my
current PC (286-8 with 512k, soon to be 2MB RAM)
will support the new games on the market.

Thanks in advance!!!

-Steve

-- 
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weird turn pro." - Hunter S.    	|  Microsoft Consumer Sales 
Thompson, American journalist.  	|  email: steveco@microsoft.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.games
Subject: Re: Computer Crimes
From: <ISSJXS@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 3 Sep 1992 12:48:45 MDT
Organization: Brigham Young University

As mentioned before

        READ the cookoo's egg by Clifford Stoll
Then you will see that prosecuting a hacker is not just
as easy as taking a phone trace.  But when they get
nailed they get screwed.