HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen)
Subject: Re: Bangali boys make good servants (Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh!!!
	<NAEEM.92Dec22021208@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>
	<1992Dec23.022343.18104@raven.alaska.edu>
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:07:22 GMT
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In article <1992Dec23.022343.18104@raven.alaska.edu> sb@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Santanu Bhattacharyya) writes:


   In article <NAEEM.92Dec22021208@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
   >In article <Bzn13o.L05@sunfish.usd.edu> shariq@charlie.usd.edu writes:
   >
   >
   >>In fact there are two Bengali boys working at my grandmother's house in 
   >>Karachi and they are just like family.
   >----
   >
   >How nice of you to treat them like family. They are an obedient lot aren't 
   >they?
   >
   >--
   >Naeem Mohaiemen

   They also make excellent fighters, several IAF fighter pilots are 
   Bengalees!!

   PROUD TO BE A BENGALI
   Santanu
----------
Santanu,
	I was being sarcastic in response to perceived patronizing tone in
the Pakistani gentleman's note.


Naeem Mohaiemen
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From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Difference
Date: 24 Dec 1992 16:53:29 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <BzsFxo.Cys@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey) writes:
>
>	Question - What is the difference between Mustafa Idiot and a DONKEY?
>
>	Answer - Hmm.. let me think..  Yeah  Mustafa has a longer tail.
>
>	Hey fafat , you want to add anything?



If you dont mind my saying so, you should not abuse and insult the DONKEY in
this fashion. If you must, compare it to something more tangible and hopefully
on a similar intellectual level.

Finally, I would not be surprised if the SPCA and other animal right's
groups came down hard on you for your temerity in comparing a DONKEY with
a much more primitive lifeform  and one that has long been surpassed by most
other species in the evolutionary scale of things.

Samit


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From: rajesh@juniper (Rajesh Raman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: pakistan is lilbit di
Date: 28 Dec 1992 01:01:06 GMT
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"faraz rabbani" (faraz.rabbani@canrem.com) wrote:
: 
: But what is "India"?  I mean, it is a collection of quite different
: peoples.  So if one of them wants to self-govern, it is their right,
: no? 
: 
: "India" had never been FULLY one nation (North to South, East to
: West)... Till the Brits rolled in...

  I agree but let me pose a question to you. How do you decide the
  legitimacy of a demand for secession or separation by any group of 
  people ?
: 
:  RR> Mansoor you say that Muslims in India are not in good shape. I
:  RR> disagree. I think that they are appeased and are in much better
:  RR> shape than minorities in many, many places. Well, you might say
: 
: But the issue is not whether they are better off than in other
: places, but how they fare in India...  the Ayodhya issue, and now
: the threats to assail the Taj Mahal, shows how much their rights (as
: granted by the Supreme Court) can be quashed by a determined
: majority... sad... But I have hope...

  I'm sorry that I didn't make it more explicit. I meant that such
  things ( things that were happening to Muslims in India ) happen all
  over the world and shouldn't be blown out of proportion. I don't know
  about too much about the state of the minorities in Pakistan but I
  unerstand that they are not in too good a shape. This is borne out
  from what happened in reaction to the destruction of the mosque in
  India. This is not to say that the lot of Muslims in India shouldn't
  be improved. Education and health should be the prime areas of focus
  and not religion. 

  One of the reasons for the destruction of the mosque was the view amongst
  Hindus that it was time that they acted. There has been a history of
  brutal oppression of Hindus under many Muslim regimes in the past 1000
  years and that cannot just be ignored. It's sad that some guys on the
  net deny that this ever happened . This is akin to what the neo-nazis in
  Germany and the KKK are doing. They deny that Hitler ever exterminated
  Jews. 

  Both the destruction of the mosque in India and the destruction of the
  temples in other countries are equally reprehensible. We cannot ignore 
  the fact that both happened and not just one of them.

: 
: Faraz Rabbani
: 
: ... I don't have a solution but I do admire the problem.
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From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Date: 1 Jan 1993 12:38:03 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Milind Saraph writes:
>weak for obvious reasons.  Bucaille presents a stronger argument.  He
>says that some of the Quranic verses need to be reinterpreted, which
>he proceeds to do, and asserts anticipation of scientific facts/theories,
>and then concludes that the Quran is indeed divine.  
>To me, the divinity of the Quran is a matter of faith.

	Indeed. So Democritus had divine connections when he speculated
	about atoms and Verne had some inside info. on submarines. If divinity
	of Quran is a matter of faith, why such an attempt by bucolic B. to
	induce the same from the "fact" that Quran "anticipated" some 
	scientific facts?

	FFT



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Imran Anwar Opinion + PakistaNews Text Files Until New Year - #0103
Summary: News and opinions from Imran Anwar
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 22:01:38 GMT
Organization: IMRAN: Information & Media Resources, Affiliations, Networks


Shrine opening helps defuse crisis in India

AYODHYA,  -- The makeshift Hindu shrine on a Muslim holy
site forcibly taken over by Hindus from Muslims in Ayodhya
opened to HINDU worshippers on court orders Saturday,
helping defuse an emerging national crisis in India.

Summit-Nuclear Dent
Excerpted
   MOSCOW  -- The START II missile reduction treaty turns
the clock back on the nuclear arms race, but it will not end
the atomic age. The historic agreement between the United
States and Russia still leaves thousands of nuclear weapons
around the globe.
   The nuclear club has at least four members not covered
by START II -- China, Britain, France and **India**. 

Leonard Spector, a proliferation expert at the Carnegie
Endowment for International Peace, takes a more optimistic
view. As the United States and Russia trim their nuclear
arsenals, he said, "that will have an effect on other
countries, reducing the prestige associated with nuclear
weapons, and that's all for the good."
   "START II is incredibly important," Spector said. "It really
puts the genie back into the bottle to a large extent. The
threat of a bolt-from-the-blue attack is vastly reduced."
   However, looking around the globe, Spector detects
"many potential pitfalls," including the problem posed by
Ukraine's delay in ratifying the treaty, instability in Russia
and an increase in tensions between India and Pakistan.
   ***Most worrisome to him is the prospect of a "very
nationalist" Hindu government taking over in New Delhi.
"That," he said, "could create all kinds of tensions with
Pakistan."***


PAKISTANI PARTY TO SEND FIGHTERS TO INDIAN KASHMIR

A fundamentalist Islamic party in Pakistani-ruled Kashmir said
on Saturday it would send thousands of fighters to help a
separatist revolt in the part of the region ruled by India.
    A spokesman for the Pakistan-ruled Azad (free) Kashmir
branch of the Jamaat-i-Islami party told reporters the young
volunteers would receive six months' military training before
being sent into the two-thirds of Kashmir under Indian rule.


BANGLADESHIS START MARCH TO INDIA

About 25,000 people in predominantly-Moslem Bangladesh
began marching to India on Saturday to protest against the
building of a makeshift Hindu temple on the site of a mosque
razed last month in northern India.
    "Our faith is in danger. We must protect it with our
blood," protesters shouted as they marched through the
streets of Dhaka on their way to the border about 200 km
(120 miles) away.
    At a rally before the march, speakers demanded that the
Indian government immediately rebuild the Babri mosque in
Ayodhya where it stood for more than 500 years until Hindu
fanatics tore it down on December 6.


These are excerpts about the recent news events meant to promote
information and discussion.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: misra@stretch.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra)
Subject: Re: Jesus kee Ram kehaani!
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:43:14 GMT

In article <1hbevpINNt5p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan) writes:
|> 		May be Jesus knew more than we do!
|> 		----------------------------------
|> 
|> 
|> 	Jesus is in a town where the townfolks are about to stone a 
	              ^^^^

	This town was Lucknow. I guess even Jesus could not resist its charm.  


|> woman for committing adultery. "Let him without sin cast the first stone,"
|> he proclaimed to the crowd.
|> 	From the crowd steps an old woman who flings a huge boulder at the
|> adultress, killing her instantly.

	These Lakhnavi women! They look nazuk but hey even a budhiya can
	fling a boulder. Must be the water in Gomti.

|> 	Jesus looks at the old woman and shakes his head in disgust.
|> 	"You know, Ma, you really know how to piss me off."

	This old woman can still be seen wandering the narrow lanes in
	Aminabad. Shaking her head  from side to side she mumbles " I've
	never had as much fun since that long haired fella came to
	Lakhnau. I'm waiting for his second coming, got a house full of
	boulders in purana hyderabad".

|> 
|> 
|> P.S. Outrageously Offensive Jokes II, 1984
|> 
|> Mansoor Khan
|> Cleveland, Ohio
|> 

	Bye Bye

	Sanjay
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: PakistaNews Issues To Restart Next Year
Date: 24 Dec 92 04:27:34 GMT
Organization: IMRAN: Information & Media Resources, Affiliations, Networks

I will be travelling for one week starting in the next few hours so
the PakistaNews files will be restarted with the new year, and as
students come back for the new school year.

In the meantime Happy Holidays.

Imran Anwar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pir Altaf Hussain retires! His greatest contribution!
From: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:04:26 GMT
Reply-To: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

In article <BzGv2C.4Dx@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND) writes:
>
>Funny that the Pakistani politicans always get some medical emergency only
>when they are in deep shi*. First it used to be Madam Bhutto and now the great
>leader Altaf Bhai. Oh well ,but whayt really pisses me off is how can the
>public be so dumm and stupid so as to blindly follow these so called leaders.
>
>
>
>Lahori (catch him on the 28 in K.C) Poond

Lahori Poond Bhaiyya, teach me some poondiya. You honestly don't know why the
public follows leaders like that? Well I will tell you! Because the public sees
hope in these guys. Hope of a better life and a better future.Now if the
politician does not comply with his earlier pronises, is the public stupid or
the politician dishonest? Well you will probably say the public is stupid and I
will have nothing to say.

Shariq.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Subject: Re: The Quran and the Modern Science
Reply-To: milind@agni.cc.nd.edu (Milind Saraph)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame 
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:47:24 GMT

Vijay Fafat writes:

|>	For one, the postings by Salam/Mustafa have been extremely hazy.

I agree.
 
|>	Secondly, Salam proclaimed that the Prophet knew about everything
|>	as it was a divine revelation.

I dont have the original post.  If I recall correctly, the argument is:
the Quran is revelation of God, who because of his omni* attributes knows
everything.

|>	It's been pointed out repeatedly that imagination need not be
|>	constrained by existing knowledge. The classic cases are Verne and 
|>	Wells. Does that imply they had divine connections? Salam still
|>	insists on the naive interpretations of B. 

I notice two arguments.  The weaker form says: none of the descriptions
of physical phenomena in the Quran contradict any of the know scientific
facts.  This lack of contradiction and internal consistency is evidence
for some, of the divine nature of the Quran.  I find this argument very
weak for obvious reasons.  Bucaille presents a stronger argument.  He
says that some of the Quranic verses need to be reinterpreted, which
he proceeds to do, and asserts anticipation of scientific facts/theories,
and then concludes that the Quran is indeed divine.  To me, the divinity
of the Quran is a matter of faith.

-- Milind Saraph
                                         
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Subject: re: why is everyone discu
Reply-To: "faraz rabbani" <faraz.rabbani@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:58:46 EST

 rangok@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rangaswamy Keshavan) wrote:
 RK> In response to the question posed in the subject, I for one think that
 RK> religon is a very relevant topic to be discussed in this newsgroup as
 RK> India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are very religous countries with a rich
 RK> and strong religous culture supporting them.  And is not the very
 RK> problems in those three countries tied to religon?
 
I think that the problems in each of the 3 countries is based on the
POLITICAL EXPLOITATION of religion by interested parties for
POLITICAL GAINS. This is true world over...

Faraz Rabbani

... A friend in need is a pest indeed.
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From: ikram@qr.cas.uec.ac.jp (Syed Ikram Hussain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Arabtex   printer fonts????????
Date: 30 Dec 92 06:32:39 GMT
Distribution: soc.culure.pakistan
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization


DEAR NETTERS,

          I have been trying to use the Arabtex and Icould compile the demonstration file provided with arabtex files "guha.tex and omar.tex etc",
           and could successfully produce the guha.dvi ,guha.log and guha.aux 
           but when I tried to view it on my display (SPARC) it could not open the dvi file ,probably because of some problems regarding fonts for printer
           I could not make out the actual problem 

           IT SAYS LIKE THIS

           Can't find TFM file for cmmi12
           Can't find TFM file for cmr12
           Can't find TFM file for cmsy8
           Can't find TFM file for cmmi8
           [fopen] Unable to open ``guha.dvi''
           Can't find TFM file for cmti12
           Can't find TFM file for cmsy10
           Can't find TFM file for cmmi12
           Can't find TFM file for cmr12
           Can't find TFM fil[fopen] Unable to open ``guha.dvi''
           [fopen] Unable to open ``gCan't find TFM file for cmmi8
           Can't find TFM file for cmsy8
           Can't find TFM file for cmr12
           Can't find TFM file for cmmi12
           Can't find TFM file for cmsy10
           Can't find TFM file for cmti12
           uha.dvi''
           [fopen] Unable to open ``gCan't find TFM file for cmmi8
           Can't find TFM file for cmsy8

           ETC ETC
           .
           .
           .
           .

           WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY 

                                      KHUDA HAFIZ



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From: rajat@carson.u.washington.edu (Rajat Singh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Quaid-e-Azam's Birth Day
Date: 25 Dec 92 23:39:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec25.233944.1180
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1h7if2INNces@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> shamim@onyx.egr.msu.edu (Tariq Shamim) writes:
>
>To all Pakistanis and Freedom lovers,
>
>Happy Quaid Day (25 December)!!!!
>
>Please pay your tributes to the Founder of Pakistan, Quaid-e-Azam (Great Leader)
>Mohammed Ali Jinnah.  Only very few individuals can change the course of history
>or change the map of the world, he did both of them.  
>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


and brought misery on the earth.


rks. 


>Tariq Shamim
>Mechanical Engineering
>Michigan State University
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Date: 1 Jan 1993 15:00:17 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <aftab.725638424@nsisrv> aftab@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Aftab Ahmad;MU-SPIN/CESDIS) writes:
>jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>[deletion]...
:
:
::The whole idea of Pakistan was based on the premise that muslims must strive
::for an Islamic "political" state and the inspiration for such a premise was
::said to be derived from Islam. Hence I wanted someone to give me some evidence
::for the premise being made.
:
:	Dear Javed. This thread is on the screen for months now. I did not
:see one historical evidence on the above claim. I will really appreciate if
:you will join people like myselfin your conversation just by mentioning a little
:bit on how you got this idea.

What type of historical evidence do you want?
Please, mention specifically?

I have seen this problem with all the proponents who oppose the
creation of Pakistan. They always clamor for evidence, but when
evidence is presented, they turn away.

1: Do  you want specific quotations from what Iqbal said about his
    idea of a separate entity?

2: Do you want to know the actual words of  Jinaah in his  speeches?

3: If speeches are no good, then do you want specific policy dileneation
   of Jinnah as in his  14 points?

4: If that's no good, do you want to know what Muslim League outlined as
   its policy in the  objective resolution of 1940, presented by
   Maulvi Fazlul Haq where Minar-e-Pakistan stands today?

5: Do you want to know the manifesto on which Muslim League contested
   the 1940 elections?

6: Do you want to see the actual newspaper clippings of that period,
   where Jinah, Liaquat ALi khan, Bahadur Yar Jung, and others
   presented their point of view?

Please, tell us. We earnestly want to know what type of evidence you
"will" consider historical evidence?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: Pakistan
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:55:06 GMT


 hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder):
===========================================================================

The only distinction that I see is that the people who oppose the creation of
Pakistan  and were  demanding   "historical evidence", have now
started challenging the  "belief system" of the people who brought into
existence the  Islamic State.
============================================================================



I think its legitimate to question the "belief system" if it affects the
destinies of so many people.

Most of the arguments/debates on this net/world involve the questioning of the
"belief systems" of others, don't they? 

Regarding the belief that its incumbent upon muslims to strive for the creation
of Islamic states because it is directed by Islam, I'm not too sure. I was
hoping to see some one knowledgeable enough shed some light on the same. 


--Javed.

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: Moslems
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:34:55 GMT

 rajesh@juniper (Rajesh Raman) writes:
============================================================================

: 4)bosnian problem. now you are really off the wall. the bosnians never did
: anything to provoke an attack. they are the ones being killed. serbian women
: are not being raped. and bosnian men are not perpetrating ethnic cleansing.
: muslims are not the aggressors in this situation either.

  Well both sides are doing it. Now don't tell me that it was the
  Serbians who started it. You believe only what you want to believe.
  There might have been a few incidents of rapes but I donot believe
                          ^^^^
  the blown-out-of-proportion stuff you get to hear. 
=============================================================================



You will be well advised to read the latest issue of Time mag. on this subject.
The UN and many human rights and womens organisations have documented systematic
mass rapes of *thousands* of women, most of them being mulsim women along with a
few Croat women. These crimes have been and are still being committed by Serbs
in Bosnia. There are reports that women are being deliberately being raped and
confined till they deliver unwanted Serb impregnated babies. Girls as small as 6
yrs. old have been repeatedly gang-raped
for days and many have died in the ordeal.

These reports have been filed by your favourite western news agencies and human
rights organisations and so are not necessarily Islamic propaganda.

--Javed.