From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)
Subject: Part XVIII, The Casolaro Murder --> The Feds' Theft of Inslaw Software
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:17:19 GMT


        I made the following transcript from a tape recording 
        of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
               WBAI-FM (99.5)
               505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
               New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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                        (continuation)
PAUL DeRIENZO:
Where does Mr. Casolaro come in?  He was doing his own research,
and he -- according to the newspaper accounts -- had developed a
theory which he called "the Octopus."  Are you aware of what 
Mr. Casolaro was working on at the time of his death?

BILL HAMILTON:
Yes. I spoke to Danny Casolaro on almost a daily basis for the 
year that he worked on this investigation. He started August of
1990. And every day, or certainly every other day, I spoke to him.
And what Danny had concluded was that a relatively small group of
people, with backgrounds in U.S. covert intelligence operations
and with contacts high up in the political leadership of the
United States Government, were making a lot of money in a number
of scandals: BCCI, Iran/Contra, October Surprise, and Inslaw.
And they would use the craft that they learned in foreign covert
operations to help themselves to large profits through criminal
activities; and that some of the proceeds from the illegal sales
of our software were laundered through BCCI. 

PAUL DeRIENZO:
In West Virginia they're still saying it was a suicide, but many 
of his friends and family seem to think it was, in fact, murder.
He wasn't in the mood, or the kind of person to take his own life.

......

HARRY MARTIN [of The Napa Sentinel, Napa, California]:
You can see the same threads in the October Surprise. You can see
the same threads in Iran/Contra. You can see the same threads in
the looting of the Savings & Loans -- the same type of people, the
same type of operations. They all seem to be interconnected. And
Danny Casolaro's theory of an "Octopus" certainly parallels exactly
what we have been working on for some time: that that is all
interconnected. 

PAUL DeRIENZO:
Now, you say here that the reason that Casolaro was in West 
Virginia when he was found dead was to meet with gentlemen by 
the names of Videnieks and Earl Brian.

HARRY MARTIN:
You know, Videnieks is the man who is believed to have threatened
Bill Hamilton, or tried to extort the company from him. And Earl
Brian, of course -- there are many, many affidavits out which say
he has actually been the one who is selling the software and has
basically taken over the software program.

PAUL DeRIENZO:
Now just to recap: Earl Brian is the former head of Financial 
News Network, the owner of the Infotech Corporation which owned 
the Hadron Corporation, of which the CEO of Hadron at the time
called Bill Hamilton up, as president of Inslaw, and said: "We have
ways of making you sell." When Inslaw refused to sell, they found
that they were then forced into bankruptcy. 

HARRY MARTIN:
Judge Bason ruled that the Federal Government owed Bill Hamilton
about eight million dollars. And, of course, right after the judge
basically ruled that, the prosecutor for the Justice Department,
who was trying to prevent any payment going to Inslaw, replaced 
the judge on the bench. So the prosecutor in the Inslaw case, who
was against Hamilton and for Meese (of course, it was Thornburg
at the time), ended up taking over the judge's job, and the judge
was not reappointed.

PAUL DeRIENZO:
How did you find out that Casolaro was going to meet Videnieks 
and Brian?

HARRY MARTIN:
Several reporters have networked and found certain notes that he
had made certain calls to people. And we have some people now
who had very, very close communication with Casolaro at all times.
And, in fact, they were supplying him with some of the information.

PAUL DeRIENZO:
And so they were able to report to you who he was off to see?

HARRY MARTIN:
That's correct. We didn't take the report from one individual. We
took it from several and they all coincided. In fact, we would
like to know who was at the Hilton in West Virginia. Room 900 is
one of the phone numbers that was in Casolaro's files. We have a
whole list of the different phone numbers that Casolaro apparently
had called just before he died. And these came from the various
sources who were giving that information to Casolaro. 

PAUL DeRIENZO:
And did he ever meet with Videnieks and Brian on that trip to 
West Virginia?

HARRY MARTIN:
No. He did not.  Now, I understand that Michael Riconosciuto, 
whom I indicated had given the deposition to the Brooks Committee,  
had an attorney in Philadelphia. And the attorney was verifying 
Riconosciuto's information on the Inslaw case. He was to meet with
a person, and he was found shot to death in his car. And they 
considered that a suicide as well.

PAUL DeRIENZO:
Right. There have been a number of .....

HARRY MARTIN:
It just goes on and on and on to various people. And, of course,
we had the gentleman [Anson Ng] from the Financial Times in London, 
who was trying to find Johnny Hughes -- who was the bagman to the
assassination of the Indian leaders -- to talk to him about that
whole tie-in. And, of course, he was found shot. And they said 
that was suicide as well.

PAUL DeRIENZO:
Right. That was in Guatemala.

HARRY MARTIN:
Right. And, of course, we have talked with the people who helped
Johnny Hughes get out of the Cabazon Indian tribe reservation at
the time that the murders had taken place. The security people
had talked to us long ago on this. We did a whole series on the
Cabazon before any of this was known. And now they're getting a
lot more focus and it's becoming very interesting.
                      (to be continued)
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     This is one of countless stories unveiling the deeply corrupted     
     and subverted state of our theoretically democratic Government.  
     This story makes disgustingly obvious the fact that patriotism
     is not the waving of flags, the tying of yellow ribbons and the 
     mindless support of the Government, just because it happens to be ours.
     You don't support cancer just because you happen to have it.
     Patriotism is telling the truth to the people of our country
     in order that they may unite to conquer the anti-democratic
     cancer that is gradually destroying ours and our children's
     freedom. So please post the installments of this ongoing series
     to other bulletin boards, and post hardcopies in public places,
     both on and off campus.  That would be a truly patriotic deed.

       John DiNardo


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