HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: onlit@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Singapore English (Re: Hello from news reader in China)
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:17:15 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Sep1.022544.22682@nuscc.nus.sg> elelyc@nuscc.nus.sg (Y.C. Liang) writes:
>...  
>That should be "social environment" they live in.  It is kind of
>mistake when I used the "vi" editor.  The word "environment" was
>missed.  BTW, Singapore English is almost the same as the UK one.  
          =======================================================

I havn't paid much attention to the vocabulary that Singaporians use (whether
they are more English or American or Singaporian).  However, their accent is
very distinguishable.  Definitely not British nor American.  I have also 
observed that Malaysians and Singaporians have quite similar accent, although
the accent of Malaysians may not be as uniform as the Singaporians.

Andrew 
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From: echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:18:03 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University; Department of Phyiscs

In article <1992Aug28.200012.6777@midway.uchicago.edu> xc17@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.185849.10234@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>>
>>	Hmm, what happens if the mice somehow immigrate into a tiger hole
>>and live happily thereafter?  :-)

>The previousely immgrated mice will sure team up with cats, try everything 
>they can to convince yet-to-immigrate mice that tiger hole is an
>awful place to live.


	Or better, just set a deadline line 4/11......


    Eddie
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Review of the Republican National Convention
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:02:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tandem Computers

kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
> ...
> The Republicans' arguments are going to be: yes, things are bad now, but
> it'll be WORSE when this deadlock between the White House and Congress
> is GONE.  We'll see how well that works.

It seems to me that there are some subtle differences bet'n Bush's strategy
and the Republican's party-line as manifested in the convention. Bush's theme
of getting rid of the uncooperative congress is nothing new. Reagan has
tried that before and failed, and I doubt that he will succeed this time
because I think this is what American people really want. While Bush is
more pragmatic, the party line is more ideology-oriented. I think the
party is trying to use the so-called "family value" issue to divert the
attention on the econmomy issue. But what is ironic is that the families
of the two president candidates are so different! While the Bushes has a big
family and all their children are already grown up (with his son managed
to get into headlines), the Clintons has only one child still in school age.
So, if the Republicans are advertising the "family values," what Bush's family 
represents is NOT the typical, or the current majority of the so-called
"nuclear families"!

Reagon also has a similar family profile as Bush's (regarding to children's
age family relationship within the family). On the other hand, I remember
Carter always bring his daughter around. So, the more I think about this,
the more I am convinced that this election probably is really regarding
family. Now I realized that what the Republican says about "traditional
family values" really means "values of traditional family," which is indeed 
quite different from values of nuclear families.

> In the long run, I believe if Clinton wins, he'll be such a bad President
> that he will give the final blow to the now-dying Democratic party.  Since
> the main party philosophy is basically dead, the Party has become an uneasy
> get-together of non-mainstream people with very different philosophies
> who had to nominate Clinton, whose philosophy could easily have been mistaken
> for a Republican one just several years ago, in order to get any chance at
> the White House.  I think the break-up and the weakening of the party is
> coming, and Clinton will make it earlier if he wins.

HAHAHahaha.

Steven
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:09:12 GMT

My feeling after reading the People's Daily news is exactly the same as 
that of mine when I read it before on same topics:  The further away 
(physically and geographically) a Chinese from the Communist party, the 
BETTER the party will treat the Chinese.  If the party has NO control of 
you, you'll be treated as "superior Chinese", if the party has full control 
of you, you are just a piece of Chinese sh*t in the eyes of the CCP!  
No wonder there are some Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai guys who stay overseas and 
ass kiss CCP :-)

Be serious, the question remains:  

Would there be such a "nice, loose and grace" policy towards overseas CSS
WITHOUT the lobby-for/passage-of Protection Bills by CSS in the U.S.A., 
Germany, Japan and Australia, and without the "Lenincy Program" offered to 
CSS by Canadian government????  

Remember how hard those J-1 students cried for elimination of their 
two-year-home-stay-requirement but got nowhere in 1987-1988 in the U.S. 
and the Chinese government then even tightened the policy towards 
overseas CSS ???

Please don't tell me that it's because of the "reform" in China or "support
Deng for his reform", that kind of garbage doesn't make your visa changed
from J-1 to H-1/F-1/greencard/be able to stay overseas :-)

And, it's really amazing to see some CSS raising their right hands to grab
green card, and raising their left hands to ass kiss CCP/support "Deng's
reform"/paint Deng as an "innocent old man" in June 4th Beijing Massacre.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bo Xiong in Chicago
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:38:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.141632.3618@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.061636.29990@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

>>Big difference: the Tibetians have *not* invaded China and have *not* entered
>>to live in China.  All of the different races who have been assimilated into
>>Chinese culture have.  The two examples you gave (Manchurians and Mongols) are
>>perfect examples.
>>>
>They did, but they didn't conque China.

Ooops.  Yeah, I now remember about the invasions of the Tibetians.  My point
is still partially valid, though, since all of their invasions were of the
"pillaging" types, and they did not make any kind of mass migration into China
proper.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cyang@tacit.Eng.Sandy.Novell.COM (Cheng Yang)
Subject: Anyone from Shanghai Jiaotong University, CS dept?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:36:51 GMT


Hi.  Is there anyone from Shanghai Jiaotong University CS Dept on the
net?  I entered that school fall 1987 as an undergraduate, and then came 
to U.S early 1988.  I don't know if there are any other classmates coming 
to U.S....  If you can read this message.  Send a message to me!...

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cs921022@ariel.yorku.ca (MING HE)
Subject: test
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: york
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:46:04 GMT


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23990 rec.travel.air:4279
From: ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Do I need HK visa to go China ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:42:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug26.140058.22737@watson.ibm.com> oasis@watson.ibm.com writes:
>> [someone asking about a HK visa for transit to China]
>
> If you're a USA citizen you don't need a Hong Kong visa anyway...
> if you have time explore the place... it's neat.

Since the original question was posed by someone named Li Zuo posting
from Canada, this seems unlikely....

But it does point out that when you're asking visa questions (which
should go to th embassies/consulates rather than us anyway, but what
the hell), please say what your nationality is.  It matters!

Evelyn C. Leeper  |  +1 908 957 2070  |  att!mtgzy!ecl or  ecl@mtgzy.att.com
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running on empty." -- Harvey Newstrom (hnewstro@x102c.ess.harris.com)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: rot@multisys.com (Republic of Taiwan)
Subject: Re: Anonymous post!
Keywords: who am I?
Organization: Multimedia Information Systems Corporation, San Jose, CA                        TEL: (408) 437-3031            E-mail: info@multisys.com
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:55:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.030429.16193@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> who@guess.guess.forever.etc writes:
=Who says anonymous posting is not possible. Can you figure out the
=originator of this post? Send me a request and I will tell you how!
=					            A.P.


>Article 65 (19 more) in soc.culture.china:
>Path: rlyeh.multisys.com!uupsi!psinntp!uunet!usc!rutgers!ub!galileo.cc.rochester
>.edu!okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu!yuta
>From: who@guess.guess.forever.etc
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
>Subject: Anonymous post!
>Summary: this catches you anyway ;-)
>Keywords: who am I?
>Message-ID: <1992Aug28.030429.16193@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
>Date: 28 Aug 92 03:04:29 GMT
>Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu
>Followup-To: (no precedent yet)
>Distribution: usa
>Organization: just keep guessing
>Lines: 3
>Originator: yuta@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu
>Nntp-Posting-Host: Tough to Figure out!
>
>Who says anonymous posting is not possible. Can you figure out the
>originator of this post? Send me a request and I will tell you how!
>                                                    A.P.
>

I certainly do not understand your question.
Are you saying those fileds below are fake?

	Originator: yuta@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu
	Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu
	Message-ID: <1992Aug28.030429.16193@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
From: dliu@ark.njit.edu (Dong Liu (~{Au6+~}))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: For Emacs lovers (Re: Can't get CND-globle news)
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:55:55 GMT
	<HIEBELER.92Aug25123927@custard.think.com>
	<DENG.92Aug26101226@dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov>
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, NJIT
X-News-Reader: GNUS 3.14.1 for GNU Emacs 18.58.3

>>>>> "dp" == dp  <deng@dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov> writes:

dp> I don't get CND at all nowadays thanks to ange-ftp package. Dong Liu
dp> wrote a small elisp code to read CND directly from ahkcus.org.

I think I should post it again, so here goes.

---------cut here---------------------------
(defun grab-cnd ()
  (interactive)
  (let* ((now (current-time-string))
	 (year (substring now -2))
	 (month (cdr (assoc (substring now 4 7)
		       '(("Jan" . 1) ("Feb" . 2) ("Mar" . 3)
			    ("Apr" . 4) ("May" . 5) ("Jun" . 6)
			    ("Jul" . 7) ("Aug" . 8) ("Sep" . 9)
			    ("Oct" . 10) ("Nov" .11) ("Dec" .12)))))
	 (today (string-to-int (substring now 8 10)))
	 (which (completing-read "Which CND: (default global) "
				'(("global" 1) ("us" 2) ("cm" 3) ("ep" 4)
				  ("" 5))
				nil t nil))
	 (found nil) cnd)
    (if (or (string= which "")
	    (string= which "global"))
	(setq which "g"))
    (while (not found)
      (setq cnd (format "/anonymous@192.55.187.25:cnd-%s/cnd-%s.%s-%02d-%02d" 
			which which year month today))
      (or (setq found (file-exists-p cnd))
	  (if (= (setq today (1- today)) 0)
	      (setq month (1- month) today 31))))
    ;; use view-file if you don't have vm.
    (vm-visit-folder cnd)))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai)
Subject: Re: Top 10 most fashionable words in SCC
Reply-To: xc17@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:01:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.154602.17299@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.143244.14110@bnlux1.bnl.gov> ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.164213.28643@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>>>
>>>  Top ten most fashionable words:
>>       ^^^
>>  How should one count?
>>
>>>  10.  you jerk
>>>   9.  you idiot
>>>   8.  you hypercrotic
>>>   7.  dogshit
>>>   6.  bullshit
>>>   5.  what-so-ever shit
>>>   4.  ass
>>>   3.  asshole
>>>   2.  f**k
>>>   
>>>
>>>   And now the NO.1 fashionable word in the group of SCC:
>>>  
>>>   you communist running dog!  
>>
>>   Which of these FOUR words is the NO.1 fashionable word?
>>
>>   You? Communist? Running? Dog?  :-)
>>
>>-ping
>>
>
>
>   Thanks for pointing my mistake out.  I did realize it right after I posted
>the list.  What happened is this *phrase* "communist running dog" was not in
>my original list of top 10 word ( it was 'ignorance' instead).  However,  after
>it popped up again in the news group, I felt it is so amusing that I am
>obliged to include it in my list.  Apology for the misuse of *word*, and hope 

>people in this group would understand my point.
???????????????????????????????????????????????

>
>  Brian
>

Are you kidding?  You are not the first one making this point.
You point is perfectly clear and unmistaken: You are saying that
we do not have assh**e here, neither sh*t , nor hypocrite(spelling?)
of course no running dogs? Hence we should eliminamte all these words from
SCC and then live happily ever after. 

The only thing maybe misleading is that if you accidently put "D-fighter"
on the top of your list.  (That should be closer to the reality).
But if that is the case, you maybe blamed for wrong class stand, wrong 
obligation, whine for the wrong thing, and root for the wrong camp.
Well, you are safe and sound, trust me , this is what SCC all about.

Xioayong Chai
from U of Chicago
From: exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anonymous Mail
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:07:45 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <2SEP199221434292@deimos.ucc.umass.edu>, s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.ed
u (s9874194) writes:

>=======================================================================
>
>Hello, young fellow.
>
>There is a lot of people believe that anonymous posting is possible and
>a lot do not. I could not see the point here and do not care.
>I personaly would not post anything anonymous and I do not oppose
>anybody post anything anonymous.
>
>What I intent to say is that please do not use Mao's name to make joke.
>I do not care what do you think about him. I do have my respect to
>him and I believe that alot of other people on the net may also do.
>So, please respect our rights.
            ????????????????????

your right to prevent others making a joke about mao?
not even deng xiaoping is that stupid. here in u.s., there
is a thing a called 1st amendment of constitution. if you
don't like it, buy a one way ticket to beijing and join
the choir of praising the mao.

>Regards.
>
>c.q.
>
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Re: "Banana"'s sexuality and social status
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:21:54 GMT


I agree with Chunde Shi's points.  But if he used other tools, instead of
Banana, to prove his points, he may get rid of those attacks.

shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,iu.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:29:35 GMT

In article <BtJtzz.9os@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
> [...]
>
>What's the Chinese traditional idiom describing such a wisdom?  Here it
>is:  You4 Yao4 Dang1 Biao3 Zi0, You4 Yao4 Li4 Pai2 Fang3   :-) :-)

  Hey, that's Scott's favorite line.  :-)

-ping

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: muyu@burn.Princeton.EDU (Muyu Guo)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? 
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:01:01 GMT

From article <1992Aug25.143807.12175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, by mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha):
> In article <1992Aug24.104235.28567@doug.cae.wisc.edu> yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug24.131954.27915@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>>
>>>Don't you have any stronger evidence to support the the claim that "the
>>>Chinese treat the Tibetans better than they treat themselves"?
>>>
>>>
>>       Here I am not going to give an answer to your question, I just want
>>to provide you some infomation
>>       1. If you visit Putala Palace in Lasa, you would see the skins of the
>>slaves still hanging behind the seat Dalai Lama used to sit.
>>
> 
> 	That strikes you as pretty strong evidence, doesn't it? Did it ever
> cross your mind that maybe, just *maybe*, the CCP put those skins there?
> 
> 	You remember Lei Feng, don't you?
> 
> 	"Lei Feng was a conscript who died at the age of twenty in a banal
> accident. Only after his death was it discovered what a humble and admirable
> pupil of Mao Zedong he had been during his short and hidden life. His ideal
> had been 'to be a small cog in the machine' working for the party and 
> Chairman Mao. The biography of Lei Feng had some strange variants before the
> definitive version was prepared by the writers of the Propaganda Department
> in 1964. 'Lei Feng Exhibitions' were organized in the large cities,
> *simultaneously* showing many 'original' copies of the hero's diary. These
> exhibitions also showed remarkable photographic documents, such as 'Lei Feng
> helping an old woman to cross the street,' 'Lei Feng secretly [sic] doing
> his comrades' washing,' 'Lei Feng giving his lunch to a comrade who forgot
> his lunch box,' and so forth. Only cynical and impious spirits will wonder
> at the providential presence of a photographer during the various incidents
> in the life of that humble, hitherto unknown soldier."
> 
> --Simon Leys, "Chinese Shadows", pp.80-81.
> 
> 
> Do you buy the Lei Feng story, too? Or just the Dalai Lama story?
> 

Bias is worse than ignorance, as the old saying goes. I would also
say, knowing little about China with preoccupied thoughts is worse
than knowing nothing about China.  The Lei Feng thing and the
Dalai Lama are completely irrelevent matters, with very very
different context and implication.  The author of above post seems
have little or no idea about how huge and complex China really is.
China is a world by itself. You must see and live there to know
what it really is. Simple minded stereotyping is the easiest and
most misleading thing for an outsider to do, unfortunately.

-- 
--
Muyu Guo
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:08:37 GMT
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University

In article 3SEP199218363281@phobos.ucc.umass.edu, s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
> 
> 1. I do not know how you got the conclusion that the weapon price would
> be lower if Beijing allow the other country to sell weapons to Taipei.
> 
> 2. If you agreee that Taiwan is part of China, as most of the countries in
> the world do, then selling weapons to Taiwan does not make any sense
> according to international law. It just like selling weapons to IRA
> (Ireland Republican Army, fighting for the independence of Northern
> Irelend). It is clearly an invasion to a country's sovereignty.


Well, that is one huge if. And unless I'm mistaken, doesn't the 
government of Taiwan still claim that it is the legitimate government
of China? If it does, selling arms to it fits into normal government
to government relations.


> 3. If you treat Taiwan as a independend country, by selling weapon to
> Taipei (in fact by selling weapon to either side of the Straight) would 
> just promote the straint relation. It is not difference compare to
> Beijing selling weapons to Iran or Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. Why
> does not the West sell weapons to Bosnia even though the desperately
> need weapons to defend themslves? I could not see F-16s used for
> other purpose except agains mainland.


You say you can't see them being used except against the mainland.
Would this be the case if they were used against mainland forces
attempting to move onto Taiwan soil (I avoid the word invade 
because you feel that Taiwan is part of China). I don't think
anyone really believes that the Taiwan government would attempt
to invade the mainland. I could be wrong.


> It is very clear that the arm sells of US, Ukrain and Russia are
> for their own interest -- to help their own economy. It is totaly
> not in the interests of the people on both side of the Straight,
> no matter you pro-independence or unification. I am against all the
> arm deal.
> 
> c.q.



This particular arms deal is a political move by Bush, I'll admit that.
But the mailand government has continued to threaten to use military
force to "reclaim" Taiwan. If anything, as pro-independence elements
continue growing on Taiwan, the threats have gotten louder. Perhaps
the presence of the F-16s will prevent hostilities and drive both
sides to a negotiating table.


---
memco@wotan.cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: deng@dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov (dp)
Subject: Re: Olympic Swimming Gold Medalist ZHUANG Yong To Marry in Hong Kong
Organization: RHIC: (Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:35:30

>>>>> In article <BtJvzA.AyK@acsu.buffalo.edu>
>>>>> "XiaoFei" == XiaoFei Wang <xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu> writes:

  XiaoFei> `I bought a new car' means the CAR is a new one, not a used one.
  XiaoFei> ( That is, I bought a car from a dealer, not from Eddie ).  I
  XiaoFei> might have another car before that or I might not. The sentence
  XiaoFei> simply did not say anything about my driving history.

That's tons of bull. When you bought a new car, it's likely the car was
already test driven many times. Was it a used one or new?  BTW, you have to
put down the mileage to seal the deal.;-)

  XiaoFei> Similarly the adjective `new' defines `husband'. It means the
  XiaoFei> HUSBAND is new, i.e. never married. It says nothing about Zhong
  XiaoFei> Yong's marriage history.  

"New" is relatively new to the beholder. For example, you dumped your
boyfriend a few weeks ago, you find a boyfriend this week. Let's see how you
introduce him to your family following your reasoning line: hi, this is my
new boyfriend, never be-friended with any one before. I may or may not have a
boyfriend before, that doesn't matter. This is a new one, never used. ;-)



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