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From: kbg00@cas.org ([Ken Gilbert (x3432)])
Subject: Re: US Soccer News
Followup-To:    rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Distribution:   world
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 13:37:20 GMT

In article <9212290446.AA16742@deepthought.cs.utexas>
CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen) writes:

>The more I think about it, the more the SI writer was uninformed about
>the need for the USSF to pay the players' clubs to release them for
>a full two months before USA '94. In what other country would such a
>suggestion be made?
>

Just a side note, this kind of suggestion *was* made once in the past
by a well-known european power--Germany.

In 1978, the DFB (German Soccer Federation) demanded that the New York
Cosmos release Franz Beckenbauer *three* months before the World Cup.
This of course was practically the Cosmos' entire season.  The Cosmos
offered one month, which the DFB turned down.  FIFA did not step in,
probably because the request was unreasonable.  As a result, Beckenbauer
did not play, nor were there any other non-Bundesliga players on the
German team. Germany had its worst World Cup result ever.  One can only
speculate, but I saw most of the games that World Cup, and what Germany
lacked that year was leadership.  Though Beckenbauer was a bit past his
prime, I feel that he would have provided that leadership.  Let us hope
that the US doesn't make Germany's mistake.

	Ken Gilbert
	(kbg00@cas.org)
	Borussia Moenchengladbach
	Deutscher Meister 1994
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English results
Date: 3 Jan 1993 10:03:40 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1993Jan2.173514.3135@cbfsb.cb.att.com> you write:
>From the BBC World Service
>
>Near misses
>-----------
>SHEFF U  2  BURNLEY   2 (Adrian Heath gave Burnley a 2-0 lead)
Both Blades goals came the last ten!
>
>Rest of the results
>-------------------
>YEOVILL    1  ARSENAL      3 (Ian Wright hat-trick, Yeovill late penalty)
8,800 spectators went up. Was this played at Yeovill's ground?
>DERBY CO   2  STOCKPORT    1
County equalized in 88th, but ended up to conceed an own goal two minutes later
to give County an odd home win :-)
>WBA        0  WEST HAM     2 (Allen, Robson for the Irons)
Great, come on you Hammers!
>MARLOW     1  TOTTENHAM    5 (game played at White Hart Lane)
And a 25k+ crowd.

>Games to be played Sunday
>-------------------------
>Bolton Wanderers vs Liverpool
This was a 2-2 draw.
>

Kent

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From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: Soccer on Cable in US ?
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:00:34 GMT



Does anybody know which cable channels (if any) are showing European
Soccer games. ASPN was showing English premier league games on a Tuesday
night but that seems to have vanished - did its time slot move ?

Regards,
Alan


Alan:

The games are now on Sunday Morning at 11:30 PRIME TICKET (Pacific
Time).  Also I have heard something about "Soccer made in Germany" which
includes the highlights of Bundesliga as well as the highlights of
European matches.  This is the same program by Tobby Charles that was
broadcasted last year for almost one hour every week.  

Can someone please confirm this and if so any more updates.

Thanks in advance

Zamie
From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: US Soccer News
Date: 29 Dec 1992 15:44:03 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: world
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I'm going to have to call and have a chat with SI.  I finally got around
to reading the latest issue last night and found pages 25 thru 40 missing.
The article on Ramos was all there though and I enjoyed it, though I share
Andy's concern about his statements concerning the European based players.

-russ
From: Dave.Alderson@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: SAFC
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:12:29 GMT
Distribution: eunet
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU

Luton Town 0 - 0 Sunderland.

After dominating much of the match, the Lads could only come away from 
Kenilworth Road with a poin. Home 'keeper Alec Chamberlain (a one time Roker
target) was in inspired form, especially in the second half, as he kept the 
Lads out. Sunderland, who were missing Gary Owers, Don Goodman, Anton Rogan
and Brian Atkinson gave a spirited display on a nightmare pich. With Shaun 
Cunnington and Gordon Armstrong dominating midfield and Peter Davenport and 
David Rush running intelligently up front, Sunderland were always the side
more likely to win, and had it not been for a stunning save by Chamberlain 
from a Davenport header in the 62nd minute, would have done so. After the match
Luton boss David Pleat commented, "No-one can underestimate Sunderland.      
Physically they are as strong a side as there is in the First division."
Roker boss Malcolm Crosby was pleased with the displCy, especially with the  
defence. He said, "I was pleased with the back four. It was the type of pitch
that drains players, but we've got some fit lads in this side and they showed
that in the last 20 minutes." This result makes it seven points from the last
three away game for the Lads, who hope to keep the run going with a visit to
Birmingham on Boxing Day.

Line up: Norman, Kay, Gray, Ord, Butcher, Ball (capt), Cunnington, Mooney,
Davenport (Hawke, 68), Rush, Armstrong.

Att. 8,286.

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From: ST402544@brownvm.brown.edu (Andy)
Subject: Re.English Soccer Results Please
Organization: Brown University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:43:00 GMT

WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE POST THE HOLIDAY SEASON ENGLISH FOOTBALL RESULTS,
ESPECIALLY DIVISION ONE.

IKNOW WOLVES BLEW A ONE NIL LEAD AT NEWCASTLE ON BOXING DAY BUT AFTER THAT
THERE HAS BEEN NO REPORTS AT ALL.

     PLEASE END THE NEWS BLACKOUT,

                                  Andy
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From: tfragala@cs.ulowell.edu (Tom Fragala)
Subject: Re: Garrincha was better than Maradona...[PELE]
Keywords: Read the books, see the tapes.
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:11:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.041050.3842@chpc.utexas.edu> ceby313@chpc.utexas.edu (Andre Nogueira) writes:
>
>Garrincha was much better than Maradona.
>
>Garrincha, although two-time world champion, could not compare
>to Pele. No one could. (Only some amateur soccer fans dare.)
>
>From the book:          PELE
>                        Francois Thebaud
>			Harper & Row, Publishers
>			Translated from the French by Leo Weistein
>
>                        The book was originally published 
>			in France under the title PELE
>		       
>  
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Go see the tapes. Or read the books: about Pele, they are 
>not all in Portuguese.
>
Ok. I know its kinda pointless to compare great soccer players...BUT...
Pele was IT. He is the man. The greatest. Hey Maradona is superb. But come
on, we're talking about Pele here. I know we've all heard it so many times
it almost a cliche. But >really< think hard about it. Pele is simply the
greatest of all time. As far as integrity goes there is absolutely no
doubt. I mean, he stayed in Brazil when he was offered more money elsewhere
because he loved his country and didn't want to sell out. He is still a God
to children and adults alike worldwide. I don't want to beat a dead horse
but Pele had it and is best...I just don't see any argument about it.
As far as Maradona...let's compare him to other greats like Best, Matthews,
Eusebio, etc. and see how he stands up. Again, I hate to argue about the best
of all time but......think about it...PELE. Who else?
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From: ajgam@sabrina.inesc (Antonio Jorge Gomes de Almeida Marques)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European Superleague
Date: 21 Dec 92 09:37:26 GMT
	<1992Dec16.105036.2514@dct.ac.uk>
Organization: INESC (Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores) -LISBOA -PORTUGAL


In article <1992Dec16.105036.2514@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:

   In article <1992Dec10.084438.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
   > In article <1992Dec9.174615.7190@st-andrews.ac.uk>, dmg@st-andrews.ac.uk (David Gill) writes:
   >> Fynns Plan from last year:
   >> 
   >> A Premier Division containing 10 teams:
   >> 
   >> England:  LeedsU          <========== Dont think so !!!
   >> France:   Marseille
   >> Germany:  Bor. Dortmund
   >>           Stuttgart
   >> Holland:  PSV
   >> Italy:    Milan
   >>           Juventus
   >> Portugal: Porto
   >> Spain:    Barcelona
   >>           Real Madrid
   >> These are the teams that would have been in the League if it had
   >> started this season. Of course the teams chosen when the league
   >> starts will be different(eg if Rangers win the EC1 this year then
   >> they would get maybe Englands place or one of the German places in
   >> the Preimier Division).
   > 
   > What gives an English club the right to automatically claim a place ? 
   > Maybe cos its the Best League in the World ?  England are miles behind
   > the other European countries. Dream on.

   exactly!

   leeds united ahead of Ajax or Benfica?!!

   you must be joking!



I agree with you , i don't think that any English team is going to win
a european cup in the next 3 to 5 years , to many time out of it ...


   And by the way , english soccer SUCKS...
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From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: English Non-League review
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:10:59 GMT

In article <BzB180.KE7@dcs.ed.ac.uk> dwb@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Baines) writes:
>
>Table for Beazer Midland at 28th Nov
>			P	W	D	L	F	A	Pts
>Gresley Rovers		14	10	0	4	40	20	30
>Evesham Utd		17	9	2	6	32	33	29
>Redditch United	17	8	3	6	30	28	27
>Nuneaton Borough	11	8	2	1	29	11	26
>
>Sutton Coldfield	9	7	2	0	27	14	23

Still on top!  Amazing!  You're right, Nuneaton and Sutton Coldfield seem
to be the chief contenders here.  Blimey, Sutton Coldfield only played nine?
Amazing how that happens (you see this a lot at non-league level).

	Cheers Dave!


-- 
|                     Garry Archer Esq.     archer@hsi.com                     |
|                                                                              |
=========| Gresley Rovers Football Club ("The Moatmen"), founded 1882 |=========
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Tuesday, 22 Dec 1992 11:53:50 CET
From: <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject:    re.re.Top 10 clubs sides

rich_b@sn4402 (Richard Bogusz) wrote.
|>    mine are as follows....
|>
|>    1. Milan
|>    2. Juventus
etc etc
 )Lots of satuff delketed....

 )Do me a favour! You mean to say that there would be no place for Liverpool or
 )Manchester United?

 )I have seen both Juventus and Inter Milan in "live" matches this season ans
 )both sides looked slow, uninterested and complacent.  Apparently they (Juve)
 )have conceded the title to AC Milan already! What kind of attitude is that?

 )United would give any of the mentioned teams a good run this year, and       l
 )Liverpool are a European legend.

 )But these are just my opinions, the facts are even more daunting!

I know there is no harm in being optimistic, but Man United have already
shown us how good they are in Europe this year, and as for Liverpool,
I'm afraid their days of European dominance are long gone.
Don't you remember their disgraceful performance against Spartak not
so long ago.
Do you also not remember Liverpool tremendous performance against another
European giant not so long ago, the mighty Coventry City.

Regards, Sean
From: rich_b@sn4402.oldham.gpsemi.com (Richard Bogusz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: re.re.Top 10 clubs sides
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:53:53 GMT
Organization: GEC Plessey Semiconductors

In article <92357.115350SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>, SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET writes:
|> rich_b@sn4402 (Richard Bogusz) wrote.
|> |>    mine are as follows....
Stuff deleted
|> I know there is no harm in being optimistic, but Man United have already
|> shown us how good they are in Europe this year, and as for Liverpool,
|> I'm afraid their days of European dominance are long gone.
|> Don't you remember their disgraceful performance against Spartak not
|> so long ago.
|> Do you also not remember Liverpool tremendous performance against another
|> European giant not so long ago, the mighty Coventry City.
|> 
|> Regards, Sean

I forgot to add that the mighty Coventry City will probably win ALL of the
competitions it enters next year in Europe...The Nintendo Cup, the Subbutteo
Inter-City Luncheon cup etc..

Apparently Van Basten was overheard speaking about Coventry.."Awesome!!!"

Maybe I should have added Coventry City to the list!

Rich
- 
Richard Bogusz				"You can lead a horse to water..
GEC Plessey Semiconductors LTD		But a pencil must be lead!"
Oldham, United Kingdom.				Stan Laurel 
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:06:24 GMT

Have a happy new year too!!!!

Andy B
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Arabs on the Booze
From: mcsbc2gw@dct.ac.uk
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:21:47 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

The Arab has returned.........

Predictions.......


Dundee to get stuffed and plucked from the gers'

United to dance on Celtic

Sod this, its' christmas......

Best goal this last season was : Alex Cleland, 30 yard volley
past Dykstra and into the motherwell net at Tannadice.

Best goal this season was : Scott Crabbe v Aberdeen, 25 yard free kick
which dipped and swerved away from Snelders.

Also Duncan Fergusons' v Hearts. 15 yard Header over Henry Smith.

Flukiest goals this season, Dodds v United(twice), Huistra and Steven v United
and Ian Ferguson(Rangers) v CSKA Moscow

Anyway, to all you Arabs, Dons and Dees' oot their, have a wonderful
Christmas and a Happy New Year, see you on Jan 6th.

Paddy, George, Steve, Scott, You all know where to find me, so mail
away!!!! No replies before 10th Jan though!!!!

Arab
From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Coming vote for R.S.S. Player of the year (information)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 16:02:06 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: world
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In article <BzrF6G.AF@cs.umu.se>, dvlkhh@cs.umu.se (Kent Hedlundh) writes:
|> Good work Russ! You got in EEFL here... And yes, your hopes were helped
|> by the bastards from Denmark 8-) 
|> BTW, you have yourself to blame, you should have stalled all match!
|> Pity, I couldn't beat the Eagles....

Hmm.  That's what I figured but not knowing your strengths I decided that
match would be my one chance at a win, having predicted draws for the
previous two that I won instead.  Oh, well.  Next season maybe.


-russ
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se (Kent Hedlundh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Coming vote for R.S.S. Player of the year (information)
Date: 24 Dec 92 10:44:39 GMT
Organization: Association Nouvelle des Girondins de Bordeaux FC

In article <1992Dec21.215523.12881@u.washington.edu> rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell ) writes:
>In article <9212211552.AA10027@teg.cs.umu.se>, dvlkhh@cs.umu.se writes:
>|>     The player who got most points will receive a diploma from R.S.S.
>|>     with our logo etc, Russell Campbell will work on this one.
>
>Yep.
>
>|>     I also propose that we send our result to some of the more famous 
>|>     football (soccer) magazines:
>|>     France Football
>|>     World Soccer
>|>     Kicker
>|>     Ideas for additions?
>
>Soccer International (the good one published out of California, not the one
>	in Europe I've heard people complaining about).
>
>|>     Anyone who wants to write a letter which we can send to these magazines and
>|>     the selected player? Explaining what R.S.S. is etc?
>
>I'll do it if nobody more eloquent volunteers.  Kent:  keep this note as
>proof and remind me I said this come the end of January, okay?  
I'll do it!
>BTW, hope
>your GB's lost your first cup match you sodhopper!  ;^)  8-P  ;^)
Good work Russ! You got in EEFL here... And yes, your hopes were helped
by the bastards from Denmark 8-) 
BTW, you have yourself to blame, you should have stalled all match!
Pity, I couldn't beat the Eagles....
>
Kent
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: bjornar@fdh.hsf.no (Bj|rnar Steinbakken)
Subject: Re: Come back Morna!
Organization: Finnmark College
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:06:17 GMT
Reply-To: bjornar@fdh.hsf.no

I have read this newsgroup since it was formed, and I have
fond memories of Morna's articles. I agree: Come back, Morna!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Gresley make the big time
Keywords: Gresley Rovers
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:30:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.160429.5633@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen) writes:
>Well, hardly, but they did manage to make the big print - a minor
>headline in the sports pages of the Daily Telegraph yesterday. I
>quote Ben Findon (alias for Garry, perhaps:-)))
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THINKS:  { Hmmmm, now there's an idea...  Where's the address for the Telegraph
again?... :-) }



>Gresley stay on course
>**********************
> [article deleted]


Dan wins Today's Star Prize (tm) for spotting a Rovers article in the
national daily newspapers.  Tomorrow, it could be your turn!


-- 
|                     Garry Archer Esq.     archer@hsi.com                     |
|                                                                              |
=========| Gresley Rovers Football Club ("The Moatmen"), founded 1882 |=========
From: andy@rocky.ndhm.gtegsc.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: US Soccer News and Thoughts
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 15:43:23 GMT

Hello again,

Well, lets get right to it.

It has been announced that later this month, the World Cup ticket plan in
going to be announced.  Here in Boston, the local World Cup office is set to 
open at 1 Center Plaza.

Mike Burns of Marlborough had what some are calling a fairly successful
week-long tryout with the Blackburn Rovers last month.

Dan Calichman has signed for about $300,000 with San Frecce of Hiroshima of
the Japan Super league. Dan is the second division 3 college player to play
over seas.  The first was Mike Masters.  Both are from Williams college.

To escape recognition and all the problems associated with this, Eric Wynalda
has moved from Saarbrucken to France.  My guess is that this is just for the
winter break. And speaking of the break, I hope that both Eric and Thomas D
will be available for the Denmark game later this month.

Brad Friedel has signed with Nottingham Forest for $450,000.

I have just finished penning letters to SC, NESN, Prime Network, and the
Boston Globe.  I took the cue from the latest Soccer International.  They
say that soccer fans in the US are viewed as, excuse my French, whining sacks
of shit.  I've got to admit to myself that we do do alot of complaining about
the media's coverage of soccer.  And whether we like to admit it or not, there
is more soccer on TV and in the papers today than ever before.  I tried to
take a pleasent tone in all of my letters thanking each organization for their
presentation of soccer and told them both the good points and bad points of
their presentations. Since bithing obviously hasn't gotten us anywhere, maybe
it is time to kiss a little ass.  After I mail these out I will write a
similar letter to ESPN congradulating them on getting the World Cup and telling
them that we are hoping to see more soccer in the future from them.

My second thought relates to soccer and commercials.  We are constantly
complaining that there are some many products out there and the companies
fail to realize that there is a huge soccer market out there.  Well, being the
shameful coach potato that I am, I can tell you this is not true.  I can't
believe how many commercials now a days have a soccer tie in.  Watch for this
in the future.  Whether its Gatorade or Tide, or any of a ton of products
that have commercials, there is invariably either someone playing soccer in
the commercial or a soccer ball is located very near to the main action of
the commercial.

Andy

ps This starts the most important year in the history of US Soccer.  I hope
that as many of you fans as possible get out and support the game any way
you possibly can.  Volunteer, write a letter, attend a National or college
game.  Lets all pull together, and make this last year before the Cup a
productive one.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Brazil is Number One? (was: Brazil 3 X 1 Germany)
Date: 28 Dec 1992 14:38:35 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

The Brazilian side of 1982 was (and still is) the greatest team I have
ever seen play.  Clearly they were not the most accomplished, seeing as how
they did not win the World Cup, but I have never seen such a team as that.

Ken S. (too young to appreciate the Pele-led Brazilian teams)