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From: grant@Manticore.COM (Grant J. Munsey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Rebinding the backspace key to control-H
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:19:51 GMT
Reply-To: grant@Manticore.COM

I tried using the Keyboard demo program to make a key binding file
that maps the backspace key to control-H. This didn't seem to work. Should
it? If not is there any way to do this?
----
Grant Munsey, Mainticore, Inc. (408)252-1135
grant@Manticore.COM,  uunet!ub-gate!gouche!grant   NeXTMail ok.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:19001 comp.lang.objective-c:478 gnu.misc.discuss:2761
From: gsk@world.std.com (Geoffrey S Knauth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.lang.objective-c,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Objective C library, Free Software Foundation
Summary: quick status
Keywords: objective c free
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:28:53 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Quick Status
------------
There have been several dozen positive responses (zero negative) to
the idea of creating a free software library containing Objective C.

Simson Garfinkel, Dave Pollak, Richard Stallman and I may meet next
week in Boston to determine a preliminary course of action.  Simson
and Dave and Dennis Glatting all have code to start this project
rolling.

I've also heard Cygnus Support may be interested in this project, or
they may have an existing project of their own.

This is for you, the public.  If you want to be heard, climb aboard.
-- 
Geoffrey S. Knauth, Marble Associates, Inc.                Member BCS-NeXT, LPF
gsk@marble.com, (617) 891-5555 work, (617) 547-5247 home   Standard Disclaimers
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: lux@sol.UVic.CA (Michael O'Henly)
Subject: How do I print to a PostScript file?
Summary: How do I redirect printer output to a PostScript file?
Keywords: PostScript redirect output
Organization: University of Victoria
Date:  4 Sep 92 14:53:23 GMT

	I have a new NeXTstation but no printer (yet). Much of the
documentation I need for this system is available online. I'd like to
"print" it to a PostScript file that I can download to another machine
that is connected to a laser.

	I've looked through the user guide and poked around in
PrintMgr but I'm not seeing anything that indicates to me how to do
it.

	Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

	Michael.
--
Michael O'Henly                 
McPherson Library                Internet:  lux@sol.uvic.ca
University of Victoria                      lux@uvvm.uvic.ca
Victoria, B.C., Canada             BITNET:  lux@uvvm
From: dmm0t@rincewind.mech.Virginia.EDU (David Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Prices on c.s.n.announce
Date: 29 Aug 92 03:38:28 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Aug28.230103.2854@ifi.unizh.ch> lytras@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Lytras Apostolos) writes:
>I disagree strongly. This is not what Usenet is about, we *certainly*
>don't look like fools if we respect Usenet tradition, and it is *not* a
>ridiculous thing to (as you put it) "censor" (I'd rather say "moderate")
>these postings. If you read news.answers from time to time, you can find
>more info on what Usenet is, and what it isn't. I am quoting Gene
>Spafford's "What is Usenet?" article here:
>
> 7. Usenet is not an advertising medium.
>
>    Because of Usenet's roots in academia, and because Usenet depends
>    so heavily on cooperation (sometimes among competitors), custom
>    dictates that advertising be kept to a minimum.  It is tolerated
>    if it is infrequent, informative, and low-hype.
>
>    The "comp.newprod" newsgroup is NOT an exception to this rule:
>    product announcements are screened by a moderator in an attempt to
>    keep the hype-to-information ratio in check.

Yes, but including prices in c.s.n.announce would _decrease_ the
hype-to-info ratio.  Having the prices announced in a moderated group
would restrict hype considerably; and telling us how much these
packages cost would dramatically increase the information content of
the posts.

Personally, I don't see much point in announcing commercial packages
unless prices are included.  

			Dave
-- 
David M. Meyer                             Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering
dmm0t@virginia.edu                         University of Virginia
dmm0t@rincewind.mech.Virginia.EDU (NeXTmail)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: oneworld!charles (Charles W. Cooper II)
Subject: Re: Mail <> NextMail
Reply-To: charles@oneworld.wa.com
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:41:15 GMT


An even easier solution would be to get PINE which stands for "Pine is nolonger  
Elm".  It is a very user friendly mail package that compiles painlessly on the  
NeXT platform.  It supports mulitple folders, address books, sorting, different  
menu configurations  for user level complexity etc.    It is available for  
anonymous ftp from ftp.cac.washington.edu and several other archive sites.



Tom Marchioro writes
> 
> well, I don't know about a "while back" but people seem to complain about
> this *a lot*.  I certainly know that I find the NeXT command line mail
> to be a real pain (is there *any* way to change the "indent prefix" ?? 
> Setting it in the .mailrc file seems to be ignored).  The best advice
> I can offer is to get a good mailer off the archives, and the one I have, 
> Elm, also gives somewhat of a solution to your problem (i.e. that
> NeXTmail suck everything into it's own mbox every time it's run). When you
> get and install Elm, and then run it for hte first time, it asks you 
> what you want the default directory for mail to be.  Tell it to use
> ~/Mailboxes/Active.mbox, and then you're using the same directory that
> NeXTmail does.  Elm has countless nice features, not least of which is
> that it supports multiple mail folders (as does NeXTmail) and you can 
> change between them easily.  Thus, with the directory choice given above
> all you have to do to get the NeXTmail box back is type a "c" for "change 
> mail folder" and when you're prompted to name the new file type "mbox"
> which will give you back all the messages read into NeXTmail.  I've been
> doing this for months and itworks so nicely I would **literally** remove 
> the crappy NeXT /ucb/mail application if I weren't uncertain whether it 
> might serve some other purpose.  
> 
> As for getting and installing Elm, there seems to be some question how
> to go about this. It was posted not too long ago (I believe by EPS, and
> if so it's the *only* time I've seen him make an error :-) that you
> had to make Elm on your machine because it had to be configured for hte 
> local system.  However, ALL I did was to grab the binaries off of another
> machine (I forget where, Uwashington someplace) as well as the help files
> and the manual, drop them in place, and everything runs *perfectly*.  
> I can take all of this stuff and make a .tar.Z to put on Sonata, but 
> (1) I'm inthe process of moving to a new position and my plate is too
> full to get to this for at least 7-10 days and (2) I'm running a modestly
> old version of Elm (2.11 I think).  Perhaps some other kind soul could 
> put together a package on the FTP centers. If not people can drop me a
> note and I'll put what I have on the archives in a couple weeks.
> 
> Hope this is Helpful --- Tom
> 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: moksha!mgb (Michael Branton)
Subject: Re: TeXmenu -- English?
Reply-To: mgb@stetson.bitnet
Organization: Totally Disorganized
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:28:30 GMT

In article <78622@ut-emx.uucp> vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (Vadim S.  
Kaplunovsky) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.024801.28694@tamsun.tamu.edu> andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu  
> (Andrew T Duchowski) writes:
> > TeXmenu looks interesting.  Does it come or can it switch itself
> > to English?
> 
> TeXmenu is crap, regardless of language.
> 
> If you want a GOOD NeXT interface to TeX, get TeXWorks by Dmitri Linde.

Geez ! Let me start off by saying I've used both and prefer TeXWorks (a.k.a.  
InstantTeX) and have purchased it. 

However.....

When TeXmenu came out, it was the ONLY GUI interface to TeX available on the  
NeXT that I knew of. The only alternative was some Edit macros (which worked  
pretty well, actually.) TeXmenu was FREE, and someone obviously put a lot of  
work into it. To label it as "crap" is, to me, inaccurate, and certainly
an undeserved slap in the face to someone who provided something to the  
community. Perhaps you need the experience of spending some late nights  
developing some software that you're going to give to people and then having  
someone belittle your work by rudely proclaiming to the world that it is  
"crap." If you don't like it, just state your reasons, suggest improvements,  
and have a little respect for another person's efforts. People who are trying  
to provide software to the NeXT community should be encouraged, not  
discouraged, and thoughtless reactions are only discouraging. No one was trying
to SELL you TeXmenu or making inflated claims for it.



BTW, to get TeXMenu to display in English, I found that resetting my language
choice in Preferences (the app) had to be done in addition to chosing it in  
TeXMenu.

---


-Michael


  ...uflorida!ki4pv!moksha!mgb   (NeXT mail)  UUCP

  mgb@stetson.BITNET
-- 


-Michael

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: palkar@pawnee.eel.ufl.edu (Malhar Palkar)
Subject: NeXT to X settings ?
Organization: UF EE Department
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:59:00 GMT

Hi,

I have just started using the NeXT. I find it very useful for my purpose 
However I have access to SUN/HP machines (UNIX). Is there any way to set the 
DISPLAY environment so that I can use all the NeXT utilities. 

Thank you

-- 
Bye,

M A L H A R
(send e-mail @  ==>  palkar@pine.circa.ufl.edu )
[Ph :: (904) 372-1939  ]
From: aozer@next.com (Ali Ozer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Opening any file from WorkSpace with Edit?
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:52:35 GMT
Organization: Next Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Aug27.104744.9539@Princeton.EDU> tvz@zandtwerk.Princeton.EDU writes:
>It would be nice if Alt-click-click in the WorkSpace
>would open any file with Edit, even if the default
>tool is some other application.

Command-dragging a document into an app tile opens the document in that app
under 3.0.  This probably fulfills the above request and is more general...

Ali, Ali_Ozer@NeXT.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory)
Subject: Re: Hmmm... LOTS of NeXTs for sale in misc.forsale{.computers}
Organization: Pro Forma
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:54:15 GMT

In article <xadnfnm.yikes@netcom.com> yikes@netcom.com (Jenny Doll) writes:
>[stuff about NeXT machines for sale]
>
>Also note that NeXT has/had a sort of internal blowout of color stations.
>So all of those new color stations in box in csnm are coming from
>campus consultants &/or friends of the firm.
>
>Michael Brill

Michael, can you be more specific on this?  What kind of "blowout"?  Your post  
is certainly the first I have heard about it.

--J Gregory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Cleaning the keyboard
Date: 24 Aug 92 04:12:28 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

following up my own posting:

> 1. take off some keys by pulling straight up with needle nose pliers.

pull from the _center_ when removing the space bar.

-- 
---------------------------------------------------
Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu   NeXT mail accepted
From: malexand@aludra.usc.edu (Michael Alexander)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Stability of Next as a company
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:11:05 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths) writes:

>In article <1992Aug22.203141.956@wolves.uucp> lance@wolves.durham.nc.us (Lance Brown) writes:
>>
>>What do you think of the long term stability of the company?
>>

>Unless something drastic happens, NeXT don't have a chance of surviving.
>(This is not a widely shared view in this news group, but then the people
>here seem to be sustained by something approaching religous faith. When the
>crunch does come, expect widespread shock and disbelief). The reasons I
>believe they are in trouble are: ...

The logically NeXT step would be Canon taking a majority share. The only 
problem is, that Canon is no computer company per se. What they could do is
market Next-Step as a multimedia-integrating platform binding together various
Canon products. 

However, I think that Next is one of the best buys as a computer company at 
this time.  It can not be underemphasized how important differentiation through
software is and will be in the future. 

Cheers,

Michael in Boston
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: TeXmenu -- English?
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:49:02 GMT

vadim@bolvan.ph.utexas.edu (Vadim S. Kaplunovsky) writes:
> andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski) writes:
> > TeXmenu looks interesting.  Does it come or can it switch itself
> > to English?
> 
> TeXmenu is crap, regardless of language.

a) it does switch to english.  There are a few minor translation errors,
   but nothing that's significant.
b) it is not crap.  It was quite useful to me for some papers I had to
   write, and I'm no TeX expert.

> If you want a GOOD NeXT interface to TeX, get TeXWorks by Dmitri Linde.
>			ANNOUNCING
>		InstantTeX 1.0   by Dmitri Linde

Uh, is the name TeXWorks or InstantTeX?

In any case, TeXWorks (InstantTeX?) might be nicer, but I very much disagree  
with the comment that TeXmenu is crap.

            [most of InstantTeX advertisement skipped over]

>     Until the release of NeXTStep3.0, InstantTeX 1.0 will be available
>     at a special introductory price of $150 per copy. Demo version of
>     InstantTeX is available from the NeXT public archive:
>     nova.cc.purdue.edu.

The current version of TeXmenu is also considerably cheaper than the price  
quoted above, which may be of interest to people like me.  I don't use TeX  
enough to justify spending $150 on improvements to the TeX that is already  
distributed with the NeXT.

For all I know, InstantTeX (TeXWorks?) would be worth the quoted price for  
someone who uses TeX a lot, or in situations that I don't use TeX for.  I  
just don't think it's reasonable to say that TeXmenu is crap.  Harald (the  
author) requested a donation of $10, although he also put the current  
version in the public domain so paying him *anything* is not a requirement.   
I sent him $20 (if I remember right), and it was certainly worth that much  
to me.  He may change his pricing policy for future versions, but the  
current version (which is 2.2) is certainly quite nice for the price.

As an aside, I do think it's interesting to see all this activity in  
supporting TeX on the NeXT.  With all these developments it looks like the  
NeXT will be *the* excellent platform for doing TeX documents.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: (?) Seeking *ANY* docs for Icon.app
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:22:17 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Aug21.190150.19469@cs.uno.edu>
emurphy@cs.uno.edu (Edward Murphy) writes:
>so... the way i figure it, somebody has had to ask this question before.  
>that being the case, if there are any previous references, i'd appreciate  
>a pointer to them. otherwise, does anyone know of *any* documentation for  
>Icon (i realize it's an unsupported App, so of course i'm speaking of  
>un-NeXT-official docs).

Try looking on sonata/nova in:

	pub/next/Newsletters/VNUS/IconDoc.ps.Z

That's a pretty good piece put together by our friends in
Vancouver. 

ab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ice@socrates.umd.edu (Fredrik Nyman)
Subject: Hmmm... LOTS of NeXTs for sale in misc.forsale{.computers}
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:55:11 GMT

I've been seeing *lots* of NeXTs for sale in the misc.forsale
newsgroups the last couple of months.  Has anyone else noticed this?

I wonder why so many NeXTs are being offered for sale... 
Lack of software?  The recession?  The NRW is about to be released?

Yours for random speculation
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: eystein@smyril.fi.uib.no (Eystein Dugstad)
Subject: Re: Handling foreign payments.
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 10:26:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.085909.27106@csus.edu> preuss@mozart.sfsu.edu (Peter  
Preuss) writes:
> In article <SCOTT.92Sep3005800@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott  
Hess) writes:
> >Having just had a run-in with my bank, I'm turning to the only
> >source of information I apparently have left.  Everyone else has
> >had plenty of advice, but none of it's really all that great (no
> >slight intended, guys!).
> >
> >My problem is that my bank wants $35 to turn a check drawn on a
> >German bank into dollars in my account.  This is _not_ including
> >changing the money, if that's needed.  Since NeXT is such a world-wide
> >machine, I'm most likely not alone in this problem.  But, I've
> >never seen any postings about it.
 [...]

USE VISA or some other card! I've bought several Items from US companies  
just giving my visa # to them. This works perfect. What a bank charge to  
handle a visa transaction differs. My bank charge only NOK 2.00 which in  
todays exchange rate is about 30 cents. (In Norway, you need a bank  
account to get a VISA card 

I would think though, that you somewhere might run into problems with the  
authorities if the amount of your transaction is in the order of several  
thousands of dollars.

Eystein DUgstad
University of Bergen, Norway
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ljva@athena.mit.edu (L. James Valverde A. Jr.)
Subject: Placing NeXTstation Slab on its Side
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:58:50 GMT


I was wondering if anyone has had any experience in placing the NeXTstation slab
on it side, next to your desk for example, as opposed to placing the monitor on
top of it. I recall hearing somewhere that NeXT did not recommend doing this, but
I have not read anything to that effect in the NeXTstation documentation. Any
information would be appreciated.

L. James Valverde A., Jr.
Technology and Policy Program
MIT
From: bpja@codex.oz.au (Brett Adam)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT's and Quickmail
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:08:10 GMT
Reply-To: bpja@codex.oz.au
Organization: Codex Software Development Pty Ltd

In article <1992Aug24.232510.24665@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>  
jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly) writes:
> I was asked if NeXT's can deal with Mac Quickmail.  I really don't know  
> anything at all about Quickmail and couldn't begin to answer the question- so  
> if this is a really dumb question, please forgive me.
> 
> Can NeXT's read, write, transmit and recieve Quickmail over an ethernet IP  
> network?  Is anything special required?  And what is different in Quickmail  
> from plain ol' e-mail?
> 
> Thanks, all
> --
> __________________________________________________________________
> Jim Kiraly- jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov- NASA Lewis Research Center
> ----------------- NeXT Mail preferred ----------------------------

Out of the box, no.

You'll need to get your Macintosh QuickMail server talking SMTP. Then, you'll  
be able to exchange simple mail (read: text only), without much trouble.

I gather SMTP gateways for QM are available from Cayman (Gatorbox people).

Regards,

---------------------------------------------------------------
Brett Adam                 Codex Software Development Pty. Ltd.
NeXTMail: bpja@codex.oz.au                  AppleLink: AUST0335
(Preferred.)                                 (Only if you must) 
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
Brett Adam                 Codex Software Development Pty. Ltd.
NeXTMail: bpja@codex.oz.au                  AppleLink: AUST0335
(Preferred.)                                 (Only if you must)
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: swapfile compression
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:34:33 GMT
Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Aug29.145719.9180@nic.umass.edu> a74k110@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Lloyd) writes:
>Uh, I *REALLY* Don't think compress=lzw/packbits/etc.  That would be totally
>retarded, not to mention totally unuseable on an '030 and damn near it on an
>'040.  I would gather compressed = compacted in that the holes in the swapfile
>are reused more wisely and the paging system tries to keep the swapfile
>to a minimum ... 
>
>This growing rumor is totally unfounded and technically silly IMNSHO.

I heard a NeXT engineer speak at a BANG Developer SIG a few months ago.  He was
talking about app performance tuning.  He suggested that developers choose to
load up the CPU rather than memory when possible since CPU speeds are
increasing much faster than memory access speeds, especially when memory access
is from a hard disk for paged/swapped data/code.  An example he cited was 3.0's
swaptimizer which compresses paged/swapped pages (requires more CPU resources
but uses less memory resources).  But he said that the swaptimizer was active
only on NeXT machines with mininal RAM (8 MB mono, 12-16(?) MB color) because
the CPU-memory trade-off wasn't so critical on machines with more RAM.

So unless NeXT has changed 3.0's swaptimizer (certainly a possibility), I'd say
this is not a totally unfounded rumor.
-- 

Art Isbell                                                      Cubic Solutions
NeXT Registered Developer #745         NeXT software development and consulting
Email: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU                                Voice: (408)335-1154
USmail: 95018-9442                                           Fax: (408)335-2515
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: When in September will 3.0 ship?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 01:26:42 GMT

In article <BtpM48.Hv5@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B.  
Nicholson-Owens) writes:
> The subject line just about says it all...I figure that shipping for
> last week in August is not going to happen...perhaps middle to late
> September?

NeXTs have been shipping with 3.0 installed for several days now. As for  
the CD-ROMs by themselves, if they haven't started already, it will be  
next week.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
"High tech is potent, precise, and in the end, unbeatable. The truth is,  
it reminds a lot of people of the way I pitch horseshoes. Would you  
believe some of the people? Would you believe our dog? Look, I want to  
give the high-five signal to high tech."
                          George Bush, 4/25/89
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory)
Subject: Franz to have version 4.1 on NeXT
Keywords: Franz Lisp
Organization: Pro Forma
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:50:45 GMT

I just received a call from Franz.

They told me that they have decided to come out with their 4.1 release for the  
NeXT.  This was up in the air for a long time.  I asked if it would run over  
(pardon the pun) NeXTStep 3.0, and the answer was yes, with a slight  
hesitation.

I didn't ask, nor was I told about pricing, academic discounts, or the like.

I report this because of some recent posts regarding the older versions not  
running on 3.0PR2.

--J Gregory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc