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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: "SHADA" US release {Update}
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:35:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.194431.26842@wam.umd.edu> mrmuon@next15epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.084414.8424@cam-orl.co.uk> daj@cam-orl.co.uk (David  
>> reconstituted Shada.
>Although Brierley was the one scheduled to do K9's voice in Shada  
>originally, I would be happier if it had been done by Leeson. I think  
>Brierley's version of K9's voice is extremely and annoyingly silly  
>sounding.

I agree with that opinion of Brierley's K9 voice, but it wasn't very
practical in regards to "Shada."
Most special voices are recorded live as they tape when in studio,
including K9, Daleks, Zen and Orac in "Blake's 7", etc.
When they go on location and use film, the voice needs to be dubbed in
afterwards in post-production.
In the case of "Shada," there was really only one (or perhaps two)
scenes with K9 out on location on film when everyone gets out of the
TARDIS outside of Skagra's spaceship out on the field, and this was
the scene missing Brierley's voice.  All other scenes with K9 were OK
as far as voicing is concerned.

Here is another example of post-dubbing going awry:
We all know the story of the bad copy of "Resurrection of the Daleks"
sent to the States without sound FX or music in the second half.
Fortunately for us, the Daleks voices are recorded live in studio and
thus are there on the bad copy.
What isn't there is a post-dub where Davros gets his escape capsule
ready ad releases the virus into the station.  The dub is his thoughts,
and thanks to the bad copy, we don't hear them on that one.
From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (rock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Americanising of the 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 08:43:21 EDT
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RP>From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)

RP>When I heard that they were considering an American version of "Red
RP>Dwarf" I nearly lost my lunch.  No way would the American networks ever
RP>allow a show with that level of depravity to see the light of day.  I
RP>can't even image what a sanitized version of "Red Dwarf" would be
RP>like.  "Hi, Honey, I'm Home" in outer space?  Don't tell me they're
RP>going to allow the word "smeg" on NBC.

Well, I hear a lot of people saying, Oh, give it a chance, but come on,
folks.  (I'm talking to the American's, of which I am one...)  Our TV is
utter trash.  It is driven by money, and the only shows which have a hope
of survival are those which cater to the absolute lowest common
denominator, or appeal to a current pop trend.  (The only Reason Star Trek
TNG has survived so long is because they bend over backwards (often
sacrificing any sense of plot or even sanity on behalf of the characters)
with a very pushy and often insulting Politically Correct morality message.
(Yes, I like STTNG a lot, but I get sick of being preached to, and I get
sick of seeing the recurring PC dogma like 'We can talk our way out of
every problem' etc. ruin an otherwise excellant episode.)  Either you do
sex or cheap humor, because that's all the average low brow can grasp on a
regular basis.  Why else are there so many stupid sitcoms or steamy dramas
about rich people?  Our national TV is a black hole of mindlessness.

There is one chance for an American version of Dr.  Who or Red Dwarf to be
made that might, just _might_ be worth wile, and that is if it is made not
for network TV but for a cable network, perhaps even our Great White Hope
SFN.  Otherwise, I'm afraid it would be nothing but drek, or it would not
last past the first seaon.  More likely, if anyone _did_ make anything
worthwile, it would never get on the air...

Yup, I'm down on American TV.  How did you guess?


"Sometimes what you say is going to get right in the faces of the powerful
 people who really run this world, but you don't care....  You know it's
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From: trump@iastate.edu (The Trumpster.)
Subject: Re: What Dalek book should I read???  
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:47:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.133422.19330@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mfh@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (mitchell.hansinger) writes:
>I haven't read any novels about the Daleks, or about Dr. Who for that matter,
>and would like to know which one is best.  I would like to learn about the
>following things in the course of reading about the daleks :
>
>1)  What was Davros' purpose in creating the daleks?  ie what did he want to
>accomplish/hope to obtain?

He didn't mean to create them. His people were suffering and mutating from
radiation, and he wanted to accelerate the process to see what the final
form would be, and he was horrified to discover it was a hideously deformed
monster. His people were at war, and he decided to use them to fight. He
removed all emotions from them and cased them in moveable exoskeletons.

>2)  How did the schism between Davros and the daleks occur?

Davros programmed the Daleks to kill all that they did not need or were
inferior. They felt that he was inferior and they didn't need him. Davros
wasn't really all that bad of a guy. He was a man of war, and his experiment
went wrong. He tried to destroy them at the last second, but they blasted him.

>3)  What kind of creatures are the daleks?  What do they look like?  What do 
>they eat? etc

Well, they have varying shapes. in The Daleks, the Doctor and his companions
capture one and wrap it up in a blanket. Just at the end of the episode, you
see the blanket and it begins to move, and a strange claw appears. In The
Five Doctors, you see a large green lump with a lot of thin tentacles, and in
Rememberance of the Daleks, some soldiers blast a dalek, and the Doctor looks
inside. A huge green claw shoots out and grabs his neck. They beat it off
with a baseball bat. Nothing has ever been mentioned about what they eat.

>4)  Why must the daleks remain inside their robot-like casings?  I know it has 
>something to do with radiation but I want to read about it in a Dr. Who novel.

Their mutant form was so weak, they must stay inside at all times to live.
>
>Any guidance about which book would answer my questions would be greatly 
>appreciated. Please e-mail me direct with any info you can provide.
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Mitchel

Read Genesis of the Daleks by Terrance Dicks.


Frank Trumpy
trump@iastate.edu
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From: bcr@cernapo (Bill Riemers)
Subject: Re: VIDEO CERTIFICATES
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
Distribution: WORLD
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 11:10:12 GMT

In article <wBa9PB3w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:

>  Wow, we must be pretty liberal then.  In America, these "x-rated" videos
>  can be sold anywhere, and are.  They are in most video stores, although
>  they do put them into a seprate area that the kids can't get into.
>  And no one under 18 can rent them. 

 X   == Full nudity + limited sexual acts (has a plot or is for the sake of art)
 XX  == X + complete sex sceens (maybe a script or for the sake of art)
 XXX == XX + regular closeups on viginial area's (What's a script?)

It all depends on who you compare to.  In France and Switzerland, they frequently
show X and XX on broadcast television with simply a warning first that those
under 16 should not watch.  (No XXX though...  That is reserved for the slightly
scrambled broadcast channels.)

Also, I know of many U.S. communities that have very difficult to meet licencing
standards to meet in order to rent XXX movies.  For example, in Kalamazoo several
of the 24H convience stores use to carry X,XX, and XXX movies.  However, it is now
impossable for them to do so.

                                    Bill
From: falatic@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MacGyver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: In Search of Dr. Who Prequel stories/ Trek/Galactica/Who mixes, also.
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:32:09 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


	I think the subject says it all! I know there are a few stories out 
there, I just don't know where! Mail me if you have anything, and I will reply
if it's something I want (I don't need a mailbox full of 10 identical copies of
the same stories! :) 
	One thing I haven't seen much of is detailed prequels that explain the
relationship between the Doctor and the Master and Susan, etc. I saw a story
in an old magazine (during Davison's time) which had the Doctor confronting 
the Master and Susan was identified as some sort of royalty from Gallifrey.
Of course, I am sure what's out there is not very canonical, but I still
am VERY interested!

   				-Marty

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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Production company chosen?
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 05:19:47 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

neal@RIEMANN.MATH.MUN.CA (Neal Crossan) writes:

- From the latest issue of The Frame, in an interview with former script editor
- Anthony Root;
-
-    Frame: How do you feel about the fact that the show's future is once again
-           in the balance at present?
-
-    AR: Well, interestingly enough, when I heard about that, and the fact that
-        the BBC were looking for an independent company to take over productio
-        I immediantly wrote to say that I thought that we could do a good job
-        on it here at Working title and that I had some ideas about it.  But
-        Peter Creegan, Head of Series, said that he'd already secured the
-        company that was going to do it.
-
-    F: Really?
-
-    AR: Yes.  That was about six months ago and I keep expecting to see an
-        announcement.
-
-
-       -Neal Crossan-
-
  Creeghan is the one who wants the show back.  It the fault of Powell that the
show is currently not running.  Also, Powell was , as Head of Drama, in charge
of DW WHEN Grade was BBC 1 Controller.  Wonder if Minister Mellors could boot
out half-wit Powell.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
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From: rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us (Michael Quintero)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN     
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 21:28:15 CDT
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Yadallee sez:
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Huh?  You mean movie format of course.  Oh, well.  Just wait till it's
released.  Someone told me that Shada and Tomb will be released on the
19th of October.  (This is NTSC America.)

>
>Confusing Conclusion :  The control panels, the hatch and the doors were
>                        ALL supposed to be electrified, so how can a dmaaged
>                        controller, or anuybody, suppose to have gotten to the
>                        TOmbs without risking death?
Well, the door was electrified in the first place, right?  I'm sure that the
Cybermen were able to figure something out.  This is, of course, assuming
that there were more Cybermen in the universe than the 50-odd in the Tombs.
So the Cybermen come, blast a few away on the doors, hatch and panels, wait
till the energy is drained, fix the Cybercontroller and defrost the
Cybermen.  Even if there were no other Cybermen, I'm sure the CyberController
(who symbolized the epitome of the CyberRace and was also allegedly not
destroyed, only damaged) could have de-electrified the panels.  Don't
sell the Cybermen short, they've come back from death more times than I like
to remember! :-)

>Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
>userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)

Mike (Not the Cyberleader) Quintero ( rassilon@infopls.chi.il.us )
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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Long live Sylvester McCoy
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:26:16 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Aug27.085657.1845@bvc.edu> juoncatherin@bvc.edu writes:
>Is Sylvester McCoy the right doctor?

>So why should Sylvester McCoy be replaced if Doctor Who starts up again?  
>That seems to be what everyone is saying.  Give the guy a chance!  I think 
>he is one of the three best we've had yet.  He deserves at least another 
>two seasons.  That's all.

Agreed.  The only problem is, even before the "hiatus" (yeah right),
Sylvester only wanted to do one more fourteen-episode season.  Now
he says that he wishes the Beeb would just go on and cast someone new,
since his career is being held back by the fact that people think he
will go back to Doctor Who.  (Shades of Colin!)  He loves the program
and thinks it was treated very shabbily, but he doesn't hold out much
hope for ever going back.

A shame, I really liked the new direction the show took in its last two
years.  Especially thanks to Sylv and Sophie.  But I don't hold out much
hope for seeing any more of them... sigh.
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From: mark@opus.pass.wayne.edu (Mark Murphy)
Subject: Re: WTVS (Detroit) DrWho schedule???
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:57:05 GMT


In article <1992Sep1.132605.22954@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umbryer@ccu.umanitoba.ca  
(Jeff Bryer) writes:
> Does anyone out there know what WTVS (channel 56 from Detroit) will be
> airing for DrWho from now on.  They used to be so predictable when they
> aired all the episodes from a particular doctor and in order.  Now with
> the selections from Hartnell I have no idea.  Makes it very hard when you
> are trying to pack them as efficiently as possible on to tapes.
> 
I believe that "The Ark" will be shown on Sept 5. I don't have my new Signal  
56, which shows the entire months schedule. I'll post the info for Dr Who as  
soon as I find out.
--

Mark Murphy
Wayne State University
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From: vlad@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Vlad G. Pohnert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr Who film reported official!
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 19:45:28 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:

- 
-    Apologies if this is old news! I heard on the Children's TV news
- program recently (the one in the slot that was for years occupied by
- John Craven's Newsround) that the Dr Who film is now official and WILL
- go ahead very soon. Choice of Doctor is still to be decided, but the
- favourite at time of report was Dudley Moore (!). Take this news as you will.
- 

Hmmmm....I've heard that just too many times before. I guess I'll just 
wait until actual filming starts!! In my opinion, doing a Doctor Who 
movie now would probably be a sure money maker since we are all starving 
to see something new from Doctor Who....
 
I just hope that it's not Dudley Moore! Get some one unknown is What I 
think thay sould do!
 
Vlad


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From: guth@unixg.ubc.ca (A Medieval Roboticist)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Sixth Doctor
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:05:19 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

In article <1992Sep2.152420.17878@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
>As a new reader of this news group, this has probably been discussed before,
>but, what do people actually think of Colin Baker's tenure as the Doctor?
>You know, the stories, and his characterisation of the Doctor.  Personally
>I think he was very harshly done by, and given what I saw here several 
>years ago, I was quite happy with the shows that were made.  Maybe I'm
>sentimental, but how fair is it that he did only 11 shows?  Eleven!!
>Geez, that was a whole season back in the 1960's. I'd be grateful
>for any opinions.  Cheers.   

I agree with you...Colin Baker was one of the better doctors, I think..
certainly better than Slyvester McCoy (I get the feeling that I may be
flamed to a crisp over this one)  Perhaps he hasn't as popular because
he was so unlike the other doctors.  I also think that most of his shows
were fairly well written.  I believe the decline of the show did start
while he was doctor, but that these were circumstances that were not
under his control.  In the most recent shows, I think that the writing
had begun to suffer.  Certainly, what I saw of Sylvester McCoy was not
inspiring, set against the shows I consider to be the classics (mostly from
the later Tom Baker and Peter Davison eras

This is getting a bit off topic, so let me restate my point.  Had Colin
Baker been given more of a chance to settle into the role, he could have
become one of the best doctors in the series.  That, incidentally, is a
problem that I believe the show suffers from.  The Doctors change too
rapidly.  I don't find it surprising at all that my favorite doctor,
Tom Baker, was also the longest lasting one.  I think his work in the show
improved as time went on.

So, theres my $.02...

Geoff.


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From: EEC@PORTIA.UMDS.LON.AC.UK (Steve P eec@portia.umds.lon.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: VIDEO CERTIFICATES
Date: 26 Aug 1992 03:47:53 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

gbradley@uks197.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes.....

> 
>     There is no "13" cert in Britain, you are probably thinking of the
> "12" certificate - no one under the age of 12 allowed to view ("Batman"
> was a "12" in the cinema!!). Also, as I remember, Batman was the first
> film ever to get a "12" in Britain, as the certificate is relatively
> new. This would mean that the UK video release of Weng Chiang predates
> the "12" certificate. This means it would go to the next certificate up
> - a "15" - which means no one under 15 may view, no matter what!! For a
> Doctor Who!!!!!???   Now maybe you can see why the BBC made the cut so readily.
> 
> Summary of Film/Video Certificates in UK:
> 
> U - Universal, suitable for all (e.g. Peter Pan was one)
> PG - Parental Guidance; anyone can get in, unaccompanyied or otherwise,
> but some scenes may be too strong for young children (e.g. Short Circuit)
> 12 - no one under 12 under any circumstances (e.g Batman, The Abyss)
> 15 - no one under 15 under any circumstances (e.g. Darkman)
> 18 - no one under 18 under any circumstances (e.g. Aliens, Cape fear)
> 
> Hence, did you know that anyone under 18 in the UK who has seen Aliens
> has broken the law!!

I think I am right in saying that the 12 certificate is not given
to video releases, just to cinema.  What was a 12 in the cinema would
go "up" to a 15 on video.  This is a common policy in Britain - certificates
often are upped one stage when going from cinema to video.  The theory is
that videocassettes are more "accessible" than cinema films, hence the
higher grading.

There is also another grading called R18 (Restricted 18) which is for videos
which can only be sold in sex shops.

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From: c60a-av@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Grossman)
Subject: Re: Talons of Wen Chiang [wanted]
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:38:04 GMT

"I was attacked by this little man, and four other little men."
       -- The Doctor

I'm half-Chinese, and personally I was rolling with laughter all the way
through Talons of Weng-Chiang.  Tom Baker's accent could use a little work,
maybe possibly surgery.

I wasn't offended, but I can see how people were with lines like the
above in the production.

Gary

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 14:58:36 -0400 
From: "Robert J. Knapp" <rk3h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Rutgar Huaer(SP??)


Ok, last time I heard anything about it (about six - seven months ago) I
heard the Rutgar Huaer(SP??)
would be playing the Doctor in the upcoming Doctor Who Movie....

Well he was on the Tonight Show last night, plugging the new re-edited
Blade Runner
which comes out Sept. 11th (I'm psyched!!!!!!!!!!!! Love that movie),
but there was no
mention of the Doctor Who movie....

Does this imply anything I'm missing or is there a new rumour as to who
will be playing him??
Rob "Money is not our God" Knapp

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