From: horde@reed.edu (Mr. Heiji Horde)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.netrek reorganization
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:19:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov15.191921.2080
Organization: Twisted Genius Rehabilitation Center, a Division of MHE

In article <1992Nov13.163308.1594@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> adc@tardis.msu.edu writes:
>The reason I would like to see those groups moderated is that r.g.n
>posters are notorious for their lack of self-control and going off on a
>tangent.  I myself don't need to be THE moderator, I just want to make
>sure that the discussion sticks to announcements and programming
>stuff.  When I posted the RFD I just put my name in.

Ha! You show me any non-moderated group stay "on the subject". You know...
  maybe we should move back to alt.games.xtrek. After all, there isn't
  any real way to regulate an alt group. :-)
IMHO, it would have been more "proper" for you to ask if someone wanted to be
  a moderator before posted a CFD.
In fact, maybe you should have done a straw poll to see if there was enough
  interest in a reorg. Instead of just posting the CFD and making some of
  us waste our time searching out articles in news.groups.

>moderator to be timely and even handed, if he/she isn't no one will use
>the group.

Or we could always post without the permission of the moderator. But such
  things are not net-polite. :-) [What? You mean you've never posted to
  alt.hackers?]

>I apologize, our news server had the flu this week.  Nov. 30 isn't
>carved in stone and if the debate is heated enough, I imagine we could
>lengthen it.

Or how about just give up the idea of a CFV since there seems to be
  more than just a bit of opposition to your proposal.

>                           Anyway 99% of those 189 articles is garbage;
>typically people with whinney remarks about other teams and players.

Have you ever used a threaded newsreader? Have you ever used macros to
  go through the group and junk the articles you don't care about? I've
  done both and overall I tend to read only 10% of all articles in all
  the groups I read. Rather nice since several of them are in the
  100+ article/day category. Alan, learn how to use your software to the
  fullest. It'll make your life a lot easier.
[Do you have any idea how inconvienient it is to read news.groups? My kill
  file for the group which started Nov 10 is now over 80 lines long. Do
  you know how painful that is to watch over a 1200 baud modem? ]

>                                These lists are not mentioned in FAQs
>hence new users aren't aware of their existence. Splitting the
>newsgroup would accomplish the same goals that these mailing lists hope
>to accomplish and yet still be readily available to new users to browse.

The mailing lists I know of are for programmers and clue games (yes, there
  are the various INL lists as well). Neither of which I believe are for "new
  users". If you're trying to have a clued game, you don't necessarily want a
  newbie playing. That tend to screw up the point of having a clued game.

I still not convinced there should have been a CFD, much less convinced that
  there should be a CFV. Especially since you'll be hitting the winter in
  the states during which a lot of students (netrek players) go home and lose
  contact with the NET. And if you remember anything about the
  rec.arts.startrek reorg that was done while most schools were not in
  session. Not THAT was a flame war...

	-Heiji

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