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From: hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg)
Subject: Re: Nebula class Starship
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:12:45 GMT


They talk about Nebula class ships in the ST:TNG Technical Manual. It is
supposed to be a new class that is in development right now, so if we
ever have an Enterprise-E it's going to be Nebula class...

-Nicolas

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From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Re: 1701-D Flagship 
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:39:00 +0000

In article <C1Bpwz.Ds1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> domnatr@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

>Although I'm sure they're not very canon sources,
>many of the original Star Trek novels (to wit,
>*Mutiny on the Enterprise*, possibly *The Wounded
>Sky* if I remember correctly) mention and in some
>cases include a saucer-from-stardrive separation.
>And I'm sure these novels were published before
>Encounter at Farpoint had even emerged... most
>likely before the whole Next Generation thing had
>even begun to be planned.

Certainly not in The Wounded Sky - I'd have to reread 'Mutiny'...  But
you're right about the dating, they're both in the early Pocket Books
editions.

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From: duanew@atlastele.com
Subject: Re: Romulans are fun too!  (Was Re: Why Didn't the Roms Invade?)
Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc.
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 20:06:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan14.000601.454@sfu.ca> knott@sfu.ca (Dave Knott) writes:
>In article <1993Jan13.084225.13010@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
>stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stanford) writes:
>> OK, so at Wolf 359 and presumably a few other battles, the Borg
>> decimate the Star Fleet.  Perhaps not destroy it, but do a healthy
>> flattening.  Why didn't the Romulans (or someone) take advantage of
>> the situation and invade the Federation?
>> 
>	I think it's possible that the Borg sent one of their ships into  
>the Romulan empire as well as one into the Federation. Thus the Romulans  
>were "engaged elsewhere" in an act of self-preservation just to prevent  
>assimilation. Or maybe the Empire was involved in internal turmoil. There  
>are any number of reasons why the Romulans would have most of their  
>attention focused elsewhere.
>
>Dave Knott
>knott@sfu.ca

	I think you all missed one.  While it is possible that the Roms
were busy with the Borg, more than likely (IMHO), they were busy with trying
to control the Klingon High Council.  The other possiblity is that they
didn't want to have the Klingons come down on them (The Klingons and the
Federation are allies and we all know how the Klingons love a war) for 
attacking the Feds.  Again this is IMHO.

Duane (DR.) Watts
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From: max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Below absolute zero???
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:17:12 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

kkobayas@husc8.harvard.edu (Ken Kobayashi) writes:

>    1*10^-7 Kelvins is 0.0000007 degrees and is of course above absolute

Actually, it's 0.000 000 1 K.

> zero.  My physics professor has told us that she (or her collegues)
> regularly attain 1 MicroKelvin (1*10^-6 Kelvin).  I think they use lasers
> to reduce the motion of gas atoms or molecules.

There was an article in _Discover_ (Feb 1993) concerning the search for 
absolute zero.  The people they interviewed got to about 1 microkelvin, 
or 10^-6 K.


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From: ma90jjw@brunel.ac.uk (Justin Whitton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Time travel
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:00:01 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
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Jason W. Hinson (hinson@bohr.physics.purdue.edu) wrote:
: kkepkep@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (DragonClaw) writes:
: >
: >    I am not sure if this had been discussed before or not but i fail
: >  to understand how a ship can travel in time by going towards a sun
: >  with high warp speed. Is it due to the gravitational effect of the sun?
: >  If so would the same thing work with a read dwarf or a black hole?
: >
: >								DC


: I have _heard_of_ a theory which makes us of general relativity and goes
: something like this.  A ship traveling at high, sub-light speeds could
: fly around an infinitely long, rotating, massive cylinder and travel
: back in time.  I believe this is the basic idea behind the time travel
: caused in STIV (for example).  Since the sun is not an infinitely long
: cylinder, I had always assumed that some aspect of warp drive also 
: came into play to produce the results.


: -Jay
 
Something that puzzles me. Is the turning circle of a ship at full warp, tight
enough to get it round the sun and still wind up near Earth? I would have
thought at those speeds, if you blinked you would be out by Jupiter. I've
read a laymans (or should it be laypersons) version of the above theory.
It was either an Asimov or Arthur C. Clarke book. (I think)
From: max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Below absolute zero???
Date: 24 Jan 93 21:21:40 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

talbert@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Robert Talbert) writes:

> Actually, just this morning I was talking to a friend of mine who said that 
> in some of the experiments at the Free Electron Laser facilities here at
> Vanderbilt, there are times where the temp could dip below absolute zero.
> He went on to say that the heat transfer with the cold space would be so 
> violent, anybody who touched it would explode. (Cool.) 
>    I wish I knew more about that kind of physics! I asked him how you could 
> possibly get colder when absolute zero means no molecular motion... He didn't
> know. Oh well, I guess there really *are* no absolutes in the universe... =)

I have a feeling your friend was mistaken.

Any textbook or article concerning cryogenics will tell you that absolute 
zero is the lowest temperature theoretically possible, just like the 
speed of light is the highest speed theoretically possible.  (You can't 
reach the speed of light, and you can't cool something to absolute zero 
-- but you can get arbitrarily close.)

> My guess is the writers of this particular episode of TNG still just goofed
> the numbers up, regardless of whether or not there happens to be a justifi-
> cation of it. (Like they'd know or anything...)

Here's something I'd definitely agree with you on.


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From: ac999239@umbc.edu (ac999239)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: NEED DATA'S CAPACITY??
Date: 21 Jan 1993 14:36:57 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
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>>> Could anyone out there tell me if Data has a memory storage capacity and if
>>> so what is it.  What will happen when he reaches this limit?

>> I think I remembering hearing something like 8,000,000 gigabytes, though I
>> am not sure.

> Data's memory storage capacity is 800 kiloquads (800 thousand quadrillion
> bits), which is equal to 1,000,000,000,000 gigaBYTES. When he reaches this
> limit, (soon after the heat death of the universe, i'm sure B^>), he will
> begin inventing new, improved data compression algorithms for his positronic
> brain :-)
>
> For you hard core processor jockeys, Data's multiprocessor architecture is 
> capable of 16 trillion operations per second (just the thing for that huge 
> PostScript file....D^>) Chew on that one.

I'm gonna have to disagree with everything I have just read! I even re-watched
the episode just to make sure I am not mistaken as well. Data's storage is
800,000,000,000,000,000 bits or 800 quadrillion bits or 100 quadrillion bytes.
Also you cannot convert this into GB without multiple divisions of 1024...
Dividing 1000 will not produce correct figures.

Data's processing rate is *NOT* 16 trillions operations per second, but
is 60 trillion computations per second. Don't ask me what he ment by 
computation opposed to operation...They are probably the same, but I'm just
using the words Data spoke in the episode.
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Picard's clothes--TOTAL SPOILERS ("Ship in a Bottle")
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:58:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <ewright.728161131@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <C1HA8w.8Kx@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow) writes:
>
>
>>The holodeck apparently will create simple items
>>using replicator treknology, so that they can be removed from the
>>holodeck safely.  Certainly, this would be the case for food and
>>clothes for safety and decency reasons.  
>
>In that case, why do crew members bother to put on costumes
>before they enter the holodeck?

1) Because they don't want to talk around the decks naked?

2) Because the holodeck is supposed to be fun, and dressing up
in period costumes is a fun thing to do?
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From: petitc@nuge115.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: ACME Gravitational Company Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:47:23 GMT

shabby@Athena.MIT.edu (Chris Shabsin) writes:

>Supposedly they draw their power from big flywheel-type things...  or,
>actually, their actual operation have to do with them somehow.
>gravitons...  technobabble...  but it makes me wonder why the gravity
>turned off in ST 6.

  It's possible that the Klingons use different artifical gravity techniques.
They may have just one main generator, unlike the E., so when that was shot,
gravity was lost until an aux generator could be brought up to speed (around
400,000 RPM I think).

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From: hinson@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Time travel
Date: 25 Jan 93 06:49:12 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

kkepkep@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (DragonClaw) writes:
>
>    I am not sure if this had been discussed before or not but i fail
>  to understand how a ship can travel in time by going towards a sun
>  with high warp speed. Is it due to the gravitational effect of the sun?
>  If so would the same thing work with a read dwarf or a black hole?
>
>								DC


I have _heard_of_ a theory which makes us of general relativity and goes
something like this.  A ship traveling at high, sub-light speeds could
fly around an infinitely long, rotating, massive cylinder and travel
back in time.  I believe this is the basic idea behind the time travel
caused in STIV (for example).  Since the sun is not an infinitely long
cylinder, I had always assumed that some aspect of warp drive also 
came into play to produce the results.


-Jay

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From: afzal@divsun.unige.ch (Afzal Ballim)
Subject: Re: Cloaking Devices...just an idea??
Reply-To: afzal@divsun.unige.ch
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:39:54 GMT

How do they see out from a cloaked ship?

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Picard's clothes--TOTAL SPOILERS ("Ship in a Bottle")
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:58:51 GMT
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In <C1HA8w.8Kx@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow) writes:


>The holodeck apparently will create simple items
>using replicator treknology, so that they can be removed from the
>holodeck safely.  Certainly, this would be the case for food and
>clothes for safety and decency reasons.  

In that case, why do crew members bother to put on costumes
before they enter the holodeck?
From: sg0d@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN R. GILBERT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Whereabouts of the Q girl (Re: what ep was she in)
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:54:43 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1jk8lnINN7ct@ceres.kingston.ac.uk>,
is_b420@ceres.kingston.ac.uk (Brendan Rooney) writes:
>Excuse me all,
>		what episode and season is this story about the Q girl in?
>		Here in England we have just seen the release of Conundrum +
>the previous episode and the 2 following it on video but not on TV.  On TV we
>have only seen up to BOBW II.  The BBC haven't shown any good indication that
>they will be showing anymore.  Although as mentioned in several other posts,
>Sky One are have shown ST:TNG from episode 1 up to BOBW II and are now 
>repeating all the episodes that they have.
>
>	So...I'm curious what was the Q girl all about?
>
>Brendan Rooney
>is_b420@king.ac.uk
>
The "Q girl" whose name on the show was "Amanda" appears in "True Q"
which is an almost new season 6 (current season) episode.  It was
repeated this past week in the U.S. after being shown earlier this
season.  You'll probably see it before the turn of the century, Brendan.

Steve Gilbert
sg0d@Lehigh.edu
From: sh09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEVEN HIGGINS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Nebula class Starship
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:05:06 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan25.105947.1@acad2.alaska.edu>, assaf@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
>In article <C15t9K.Knw@unccsun.uncc.edu>, ebstokes@uncc.edu (Edward B Stokes) w
rites:
>>      What is a Nebula class starship? has it appeared in TNG?
>>
>>
>  it has not appeared in TNG it is in the 1701-d book, at the end when they are
>discussing future looks.
>
>S.F.
>
    Check out the U.S.S. Phoenix, in "The Wounded". It is Nebula class.
    I still think that the Nebula class just looks like a streamlined
    Reliant class....From ST2:TWOK.  Anybody else???

    
-- 
~Steve
sh09@lehigh.edu
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: The Q-Girl
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 19:09:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1jghibINNf8r@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> drew@bnr.co.uk (Scooby Doo) writes:
>In article <25132@galaxy.ucr.edu> judson@watserv.ucr.edu writes:
>>	What happens when an unstoppable object meets an immovable force?

>			A What?

I believe the writer means "What happens when an irresistable
force encounters an immovable object."

The SF version is, "What happens when a Stormtrooper fires at a
Red Shirt?"

Joshua :)

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Replicator Query
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:09:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.165711.62894@cc.usu.edu> sl6wv@cc.usu.edu writes:
>	Just to further add to the argument.  It seems as though there have
>been episodes in both TNG as well as TOS that were based in Dilithium mines,
>and these were considered to be **VERY** valuable, to the point that even
>peacenics like the Federation considered going to war over them.  I guess that
>some crude Dilithium crystals must have been found in the solar system, or at
>the very least a nearby star that can be reached by Bussard ramjet, or else
>Earth would have never achieved the warp drive.

Dilithium is not required for the matter/antimatter reaction, it just focuses
the streams (without crossing them) and makes the reaction more efficient.

So, warp speed is possible without Dilithium, just not as fast, and more
raw material is used. 


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From: 00pwgrice@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: **DEFINITE SPOILER**
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:47:24 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


	I saw the latest episode of TNG last night wherein there were two
notable facts:
	1) nested holodeck simulations--As this was a topic on the net just
	   a few weeks back, I thought that the appearance of the strategy
	   in one of the scripts was rather fortuitous. Any comments on the
	   new revelations?
	2)AI and the E-computer--As the Enterprise computer has an AI feature
	   built in to it, is Moriarty an aspect of the mainframe? He may
	   be a self aware program, but he is still a program. His awareness
	   and thought processes take place (physically) not in his body, but
	   in the computer system. An extrapolation of this would be:
		2a)Even if his body were destroyed or damaged, Moriarty would
	           still be alive. On a purely philosophical level, he would
		   be immortal.
		2b)What would happen if the Enterprise computer complex were
		   to have a power outage or suffer from a virus or virus-like
		   effect. Would Moriarty die? 
These questiona are of course based on the supposition that the avenue of
research open up by Geordi, Data, and Barclay would eventually yield real
results.
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From: domnatr@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kane)
Subject: Re: Cloaking Devices...just an idea??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:36:44 GMT

That was a really good post!

I'd like to throw the following tidbits in --

1> In the sixth movie, we see the photon torpedoes
   Chang casts out briefly illuminate the bow of his
   ship... is this because the only sized 'window' in
   the cloak the can generate is that large?  Or because
   some emission in the high-energy range from the 
   torps briefly gives away a cloaked vessel?

2> The Klingon Bird of Prey Cloaking Device (this is
   seen in STIII -- the previous posters would call it
   a Mark 2 Cloaking Device... or maybe 3... I don't know)
   operated on bending waves of light.  This is exactly
   how Kirk saw where it was (remember his line "Look,
   Sulu... do you see it there?  That small distortion...")

3> Data on board the USS Sutherland makes the important
   discovery and technological breakthrough that neutron
   and tachyon bursts can reveal a cloaked ship temporarily.
   (now if Starfleet operated like the US military Data would
   be kept in a closet for the rest of his life synthesizing
   millions and millions of anti-cloak measures).

So exactly how do these new cloaking devices work?  The
bending of light (even given the 'wavemapping' format) as
seen in STIII caused a visual distortion, and Starfleet
officers might be trained to look for that very thing (like
Ron Jones, the sonarman in *Hunt for Red October*).

There probably has to be some computer interaction, to replace
pixel-by-pixel distortion so the space doesn't seem to 'ripple'.
This might involve heavy use of particle projection (like 
emitting nearly massless particles to 'rebend' the light so it
did NOT distort) and is beginning to confuse me hopelessly.

I think a ST:TNG or DS9 episode should center around the
conception of a cloaked Federation ship... plot complications
could be thrown in regarding Romulans threatening to start a
war unless all records and pieces of their 'stolen' technology
were returned immediately... or maybe somebody gets to hijack
the cloaked Fed vessel (making sure it decloaks prior to 
blowing everybody up so that the survivors can attest that it
was a Federation ship) or something like that.

Just a few meaningless comments which might or might not
deserve response.

________________________

Kane
domnatr@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: z57n@unb.ca (MCKAY  N)
Subject: Re: Let's invade a planet!
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:05:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.171400.4486@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 52kaiser@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Matthew Kaiser) writes:
>From: 52kaiser@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Matthew Kaiser)
>Subject: Re: Let's invade a planet!
>Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:14:00 GMT
>bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau) writes:
>
>
>>People were talking about carrying marines aboard Federation starships
>>earlier.  With Star Trek technology, who needs a strike contingent
>>aboard a capital ship?  The only reason I can think of carrying
>>troops (besides security) is for boarding enemy ships/bases.
>>For planetary invasions, a few thousand marines aren't going to be
>>of much use.  Besides, you could stun the population using the
>>ship's phasers from orbit.
>
>>  -- Gil
>
>somehow i don't think that a Type X phasar array on a starship
>can be set to stun
>
>my $0.02
>
>matthew

The old Enterprise did it once.  Why would they not keep that capacity?

Neill McKay


+-------------------------------------------------------------+
>>>>>>>>     z57n@cenov1.unb.ca, NOT z57n@unb.ca       <<<<<<<<
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
Neill McKay                     Department of Civil Engineering
University of New Brunswick, Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
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Subject: Re: What happened to the Klingons?
From: arxt@quads.uchicago.edu (Dave Palmer)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:57:02 GMT
Reply-To: arxt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

	Three theories:

	1) Two (or more) different races developed on Kronos.  The
ridgeless Klingons in Trek Classic were in power at the time, but
sometime between then and Star Trek: The Motion Picture, there was a
civil war or something and the ridgeheadded Klingons took control.
	2) Another theory is that the more human-like Klingons in Trek
Classic were genetically engineered Klingon-Human Fusions who were
created to be more effective against the Federation.  (This is from
John M. Ford's book, The Final Reflection).  The Klingons also created
Klingon-Romulan fusions to be used on the Romulan border.
	3) What Gene Roddenberry said, though, is that the Klingons
always had ridges and that we're supposed to ignore the fact that they
didn't in filmed Trek Classic.

	--The Midwesterner
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