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From: u9066624@cc.uow.edu.au (Tippu Hassan)
Subject: Re: Blood some Aussies
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 01:55:51 GMT

CS19241099G@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (CRAWFORD, TROY) writes:


>	The Sri Lankan tour was a disaster, we fell to their pitiful 
>bowling, got hammered at times by their batting and even our fielding 
>let us down on one or two occasions.  Time for a change!
>	The batting order is the first concern, do we bring back  Swampy
>(Marsh), leave Moody there, give Phillips a go, opt for the impressive
>shield debutant in Hayden or give a rank outsider like Nobes a go?  I 
>think that Hayden should be tried, we need to pressure the players so they
>know that their positions are not safe.

hmmm  well im not too sure if a feeling of insecurity would help..
a lot of talent has been wasted in the past due to this.
S o Donnel, S Waugh and now prob Moody.
All three deserve to be in the team. IMO of course.

>	Mark Waugh needs a rest, because four consecutive ducks against the
>Sri Lankans indicates problems somewhere (I would at least score a run). 
>Give him a spell and perhaps bring brother Steve in to add a little experience
>or bring in another newcomer like Bevan, Siddons or even Lehman or Law. It
>is decisions like this that are required to strengthen our team.

I would always prefer S waugh to M waugh.

>	Something needs to be done soon, because thunderbolts from the West
>Indians will soon be fired.  Ambrose and Bishop will probably open, with 
>Walsh and Patterson changing, not a reassuring thought for the Aussies.
>And as big Andy Roberts said "the only people  more stupid than the fast 
>bowlers, are the opening batsmen who go out to face them".  Good luck Mark
>Taylor and good luck Moody? Phillips? Nobes? or Hayden (bad luck if it is
>you).

All the more reason to select S waugh

>	Anyhow, something needs to be done and why not try some new faces,
>A.B wont last much longer and Boon and Jonesy also will soon depart so give
>some of the youngsters experience, god knows they'll need it!

>	Chris the Aussie!




Tippu the Paki [ weeping at the incompetence of selectors ]


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From: kpw105@phys.anu.edu.au (Ken Wessen)
Subject: Re: "We are the world " Team of 80's
Followup-To: rec.sport.cricket
Organization: Theoretical Physics, Australian National University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 02:32:50 GMT

> 
> Here is my ALL World team of 80's
> ----------
> 

> 
> 1.Gavaskar
> 2.Greenidge
> 3.Richards
> 4.Miandad
> 5.Gower
> 6.M.Crowe
> 7.Kapil Dev
> 8.Imran Khan
> 9.Dujon
> 10.Hadlee
> 11.Qadir
> 

No Botham?  No Border?  No West Indian Bowlers???????

How about...

Haynes Greenidge Richards Miandad Border Botham Imran Marshall Kirmani
Garner Qadir

Hadlee - too bad, but his record reflects the fact that he had many more
opportunities of bowling at tailenders than Marshall etc.

Gavaskar - nearly in, but I prefer choosing openers as a pair.  Maybe I'm
being a bit harsh on the record run scorer here, but the original poster
left out Border who is second anyway.....

Flame shields on.

Kapil Dev - you've got to be joking!

Flame shields off.

Crowe and Gower - great to watch when in form, but without the performances
to match the batsmen chosen.

Chappell, Marsh, Lillee etc not considered since most of their cricket was
played in the 70's.

Ken
From: 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Sensationalism?!! Me?!!!
Date: 6 Oct 1992 16:19:31 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <1992Oct6.155101.10028@cc.gatech.edu>, sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea) writes:
>>In article <00961A27.F5B93200@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 9063iyerm@vms.csd.mu.edu (Murali Iyer) writes...
> [stuff deleted]
>>reason is not only cricket, but also something like an instruction to Vishy and
>>Co, "Do not consider Maninder" from BCCI. In fact, it might be the latter only.
>>Anyone who knows how the board runs its affairs would guess that the board's
>>heavy-handed attitude has played a major role here. So, no point in blaming any
>>individuals like Vishy or the north zone selector. 
>
>Murali,
>Please don't post this kind of sensationalism on the net. 

Boy! That was a low one! What I meant from the sentence you are objecting to is
that the Board is not above issueing orders to the selectors to do or not do
certain things. In one word, "Guidelines".

>What has BCCI against Maninder that they would send instructions to the 
>selectors not to consider him?

The row between Maninder and Manoj Prabhakar in a local high-flying tournament
created strong ripples all around the country's cricketing circles, just like
the Rashid Patel - Raman Lamba row. And none of this did any good to Maninder,
though Prabhakar got away with no apparent penalty. This was the incident I was
referring to when I said "anyone who knows .... can guess...." which you
conveniently forgot to extract in your accusation/warning to me. I never
assreted that it was *THE REASON*. And I was expressing my disappointment at
Maninder's exclusion. 

>It's just that the selectors thought that Raju was better, plain and simple.
>(Or do u have some inside information?)

The selectors in all their wisdom also thought that Mohinder Amarnath was over
the hill when he had just helped win the Asia Cup before the NZ series. Did you
defend them then? And when Gavaskar called them a bunch of jesters? Every fan
has the right to express his opinions, I hope. This is how I feel about it, and
I won't come in your way when you say the selectors are doing their job. In
fact, if you read my post coolly, you will see that I *am* defending the
selectors in this case. If you want to keep your eyes closed to the politics
that go on on the cricket scene in India, that is your privilege. 

>- Sougata
>

-Murali
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From: shiv@rs.com (Shiv)
Subject: How about best Indian XI for ODI (1970-90)
Reply-To: shiv@rs.com
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:27:40 GMT
From: rich@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Richard Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Worst English XI sice 1970
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:06:38 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

.M.T. Bell writes

>After reading the teams for Australia and India here's (IMHO) the worst
>England XI since 1970.
>
>10. Mike Selvey (Middlesex)
>
>Took 3 wickets in 20 balls in his debut test against West Indies in 76
>but didn't do a lot after that.

Mike Selvey was a particularly sad case.  His selection for England
stunned even Middlesex supporters, who had seen him as a good average
county player.  The sadness comes when after being dropped by England
he steadily developed into one of the best fast medium bowlers in
England, in the Brian Statham mould.  He complemented Wayne Daniel at
the other end perfectly.  However he was never picked again as England
had a raft of similar bowlers at the time - Lever, Hendrick, Old, etc.
all of whom were good enough to get the job done.  Had Selvey got another
chance around 1980, he would have played many more times and he wouldn't
be on this list.

rich
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From: Spankin' Ed Davis <abepd@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Test
Organization: nasa
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:45:49 GMT

I sure hope that changing editors gets rid of all that noise.
This has been a test.  Sorry to have bothered you.
Spankin'  Ed                 

        "Volleyball Is My Life"
            Thomas Aquinas
                       1263

email:    abepd@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov   
    <Goddard Space Flight Center>
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From: swfc@cs.columbia.edu (Shu-Wie F Chen)
Subject: new FIVB rules...
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:27:03 GMT

Just got my latest issue of Volleyball.  They have a small blurb about
the changes adopted by FIVB and USVBA (college and high schools may
or may not adopt these changes).  Note that these changes favor the
defense:

1. No 17-point cap in the *fifth* game.  Rally point scoring still
applies.

2. A *digger* may touch the ball with any part of hir body from the knee
up.

3. It is not a violation to touch the net if the ball is not being
played along the net.

Emphases are mine.

Cheers,
*swfc
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Shu-Wie F Chen                               Department of Computer Science
swfc@cs.columbia.edu                         Columbia University
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From: jonchow@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Chow)
Subject: Stanford UCAA 4 man Volleball Tourney oct 24
Summary: Vball Tourney
Keywords: Vball Tourney
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 02:22:23 GMT




        Stanford's Undergraduate Chinese American Association (UCAA) modestly
presents a four man volleyball tournament on saturday Oct 24th.  Participating
teams must include at least one player of the opposite sex (that is
1 guy/ 3 woman or 1 woman/ 3 guys).  There will be two divisions in this
tourney: 5'9" and below and those taller that 5'9".  You can move up into the
taller divisions but you can't move down to the shorter division.  Prizes will
include $100 for the first place team in both divisions.  Registration fees
will be $8 per person if received by October 21st and $10 the day of the
tourney.  Please make checks payable to Rob Chiang and send them to:
        UCAA VOLLEYBALL TOURNEY
        c/o Ingrid Chen
        P.O. Box 13003
        Stanford, CA 94309

If you have any questions please email chewie@leland.stanford.edu  or give us
a call @ (415) 497-0873. Thank you.  Hope to see y'all there.
From: Eric.J.Baumgartner@dartmouth.edu (Eric J. Baumgartner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Tips For Running The 6-2 Offense?
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:47:17 GMT
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In article <JPY.92Sep25212135@mendelssohn.cs.columbia.edu>
jpy@mendelssohn.cs.columbia.edu (John P Yu) writes:

> The is one inherent disadvantage with the formation
> that I can see.
> 
> OH  MH  OP
> S   mb  oh  
> 
> Since many teams use the outside hitters as primary
> passers, the front/back overlap restrictions result
> in the setter having a long route to the net.

Bingo. If the setter follows an outside then in the rotation above with
the setter in 5, it's hard for the outside in 4 to pass and creates a
longer run for the setter. That's why, whether you're running a 5-1 or
a 6-2, setters follow middles. (Even if your middle is a better passer,
because it's very hard to pass and then hit quick.)

As for starting a game with the setter in 1... this makes sense if
you're running a 5-1 because you're maximizing the number of rotations
where you have three hitters. In a 6-2, this logic goes away... look at
who your strong hitters are, what you consider your best rotation, who
your best servers are, what your substitution pattern is, and choose
the best starting rotation based on all these factors. (For example, if
you're subbing a DS for a MB, you may want to start with the DS in 1 to
maximize her time in the game.)

Having said all this, I have sometimes started my team (in a 5-1) with
setter in 4. Sometimes there are blocking matchups you really want that
override other considerations.


Eric Baumgartner                   *  ebaum@dartmouth.edu
Interactive Media Lab              *  - When in danger or in doubt,
Dartmouth Medical School           *      run in circles, scream and
shout.
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From: schneid@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Schneider)
Subject: What are decent shoes...and where can I get them in IL
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:39:19 GMT

I'm looking for a pair of decent vball shoes.  I've seen the ones
in Spike Nashbar, and they look pretty good.  Since I usually
have sore feet, I want shoes with SuperSpringy or whatever the
brand name might be insoles in both front and back.  I'm not crazy
about buying a pair of shoes by mail, though.  Where can I get a
pair of good shoes within about 150 miles of Champaign-Urbana?
-- 
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From: dan@quebec (Dan Hanan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: What is the role of the U.S. National Team?
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:58:15 GMT
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Organization: SAIC
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oski@w6yx.Stanford.EDU (Ravi Narasimhan) writes:
: I can understand (as much as any non-player can) what it must have been
: like for you, Acosta, Schirman, et.al. to bust your behind for so long
: and not get to go to Barcelona.  The net was abuzz prior to and during
: the Olympics about the selection methods.
: 
: 1)Do you know why Fred selected Becker, Briceno, and Sato instead of
: you, Acosta, and Schirman?  

All I can say about Fred's decision on who to take is that he tried to take
the best players BY POSITION AND VERSATILITY that we had.  It seems that he
took Briceno as another backup (besides Hilliard) for Timmons, not knowing
how Steve would hold out over the course of the 2 week Olympics.  Becker is
a really good passer - probably the best on our team, and Fred has always   
liked the way Sato digs balls.

: 2)From your comments about the need for an indoor pro league etc, I get
: the feeling that it is going to mean several years in the doldrums for
: the National Squad while the whole thing gets off the ground.  I
: recall Major League Volleyball died an early death due to a variety of
: unseen pitfalls.  From what I read in Volleyball Monthly, the USVBA
: doesn't seem to have its act together enough to pull off such a feat.
: your thoughts?

The latest thoughts I've heard about inddor pro leagues in the USA for men
is that it will probably we this quadrennium for planning, and start up
next quadrennium.  They don't want things to fold so quickly like they did 
for the women's league, so they are looking for multi-year commitments from 
TV, sponsors, etc.  

: 3)Is Uvaldo Acosta any relation to Ruben Acosta and did that have
: anything to do with the overturned victory against Japan?  {Paranoid??
: Me?  Never.}

No, there's no relation, although he gets a solid 'BOOO' from the         
international crowds that think there is a relation.  Ruben Acosta (the 
president of the FIVB [international federation of vball]) is not liked 
internationally mainly because he is somewhat against the Italian, etc. 
pro leagues.

: Hope to see you in Madison Square Garden.  It is only a stone's throw
: from my place in New Jersey, the Volleyball Capital of the World (not.)
: 					--- Ravi 

I'll be there.  
-------------------
Dan Hanan   USA #12
dan@quebec.saic.com
-------------------
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Ankle brace recommendations?
Date: 28 Sep 1992 12:42:04 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In article <1992Sep25.161513.14306@qualcomm.com>, pyuen@qualcomm.com (Patrick Yuen) writes:
|> After tearing my ankle ligaments five weeks ago, I'm finally ready to work
|> my way back into playing again.  I plan to wear my aircast for a few weeks, 
|> but the thing is really bulky and I can't imagine using it on a long
|> term basis.  I can barely tie my shoe with it on and that's with low tops.
|> What do the netters out there suggest?  I guess the ideal is something that 
|> will allow the ankle its regular range of motion, but will make it virtually 
|> impossible to go beyond that, and will be slim and convenient to put on, and 
|> won't cost too much. I've seen the lace-up canvas thing that a lot of the 
|> sports stores have for around $30, but it doesn't seem sturdy enough to me.  
|> I've also seen a couple of elaborate plastic devices in Teamworks and Spike 
|> Nashbar catalogs which cost like $60 or more (sorry, don't have the catalogs 
|> with me for the specifics).  Are these worth the extra cost?  Are they any 
|> less bulky than the aircast?  Or is the lace-up one good enough?  Or should I 
|> just continue to use the aircast? 
|> 
|> Please post or email any suggestions.  Thanks!
|> 
|> Patrick Yuen

Stick with your aircast - try a couple of different types of shoes
in the store.  I'm sure you will find one that does the job.  You wont
find anything out there that gives you the support of the aircast.  
The canvas and neoprene supports are marginal at best (if you insist
on one of them go with the canvas).  I needed my aircast for about 6
months while recovering from a similar injury.  I used it religously -
my doctor insists that the major cause of "bad ankles" is re-injury 
during the recovery phase.  I havent had one ankle injury since.
Your mileage may vary...


Bob
From: sdy@bcstec.boeing.com (Ugly Bag of Mostly Water)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Ankle brace recommendations?
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:03:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ringworld
In-reply-to: bobs@Think.COM's message of 28 Sep 92 12:42:04 GMT

>>>>> On 28 Sep 92 12:42:04 GMT, bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz) said:

[ankle support question from Patrick Yuen deleted]

	Robert> Stick with your aircast - try a couple of different types of
	Robert> shoes in the store.  I'm sure you will find one that does the
	Robert> job.  You wont find anything out there that gives you the
	Robert> support of the aircast.  The canvas and neoprene supports are
	Robert> marginal at best (if you insist on one of them go with the
	Robert> canvas).  I needed my aircast for about 6 months while
	Robert> recovering from a similar injury.  I used it religously - my
	Robert> doctor insists that the major cause of "bad ankles" is
	Robert> re-injury during the recovery phase.  I havent had one ankle
	Robert> injury since.  Your mileage may vary...

I really agree with this -- I've have very loose ankles from multiple
sprains/tears over the years and ever since my ortho prescribed my aircasts
(about 2 years ago) I couldn't be happier. I've never been hurt (my ankles that
is while wearing them). I find them much more comfortable than other braces
that I've tried. I wear them about 4-5 times a week for both volleyball and
basketball -- the don't even get sore anymore ('cept when I play with out
them). If they aren't fitting in the shoe well you can try deflating them a
bit. It also helps if you put them in the shoe before stepping into them. I use
them strictly with high-tops since I don't feel like the lower ankle/heel area
is well enough supported given how high the lower velco strap is on the brace.

Yes I'm rehab'ed well enough now that I could play without them -- and I do
when I play outdoors doubles -- but with the amount of floor sports I play --
and the comfort of wearing the aircast I figure it's better to be slightly
restricted than to get hurt and be out (and rehab'ing) for the rest of the
year. 

Also for you aircast owners -- they'll supply replacement parts for FREE if you
call the 800 number.

steve.
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sdy@bcstec.boeing.com         >>>   that's because I'm always right! =b     <<<

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From: dwilson@Ingres.COM (It's up to me.)
Subject: Re: taping fingers
Summary: 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
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Date: 30 Sep 92 14:57:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.124433.19468@ll.mit.edu>, serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafa writes...
>In article <Bv8v7K.K2u@unix.amherst.edu> mkrogers@unix.amherst.edu (MICHAEL K ROGERS) writes:
>>Tom Stockfisch (tps@chem.ucsd.edu) wrote:
>>: In article <1992Sep18.145234.28413@bmers145.bnr.ca> sshum@bnr.ca writes:
>>: >What's the deal with taping your fingers?  Are they used for safety reasons?
>>: 
>>: There to show you whose blocking technique not to emulate.  Look for the
>>: person with tape on every finger, and see if you can tell what they are
>>: doing wrong blocking.  Basically, if you point you rotate your hand outward
>>: so that your thumbs point up then your thumb, index, and middle fingers
>>: can't get hurt (or at least mine have never gotten hurt since I started
>>: doing this).  This has the added advantage of allowing you to get your
>>: forearms closer together to prevent the field goal block, covers more
>>: area left and right, and gives you better mechanical advantage on the ball).
>>: ...
>>
>>While I agree about the blocking technique, the conclusion based on
>>taped fingers is not universally valid.  None of the three fingers
>>(pinkies, thumb) I tape have been originally injured while blocking.
>>On rare occasions, someone has hit the ball down onto my upward-pointing
>>thumb.  None of my fingers have been re-injured while blocking, but
>>sometimes there has been pain.
>>
>>I had never thought of the blocking technique described above as being
>>less injury prone.  I was taught it because it denies more court to
>>hitter and make tooling off your hands more difficult.  Now I have a
>>third reason.
>>
>>	-mike
> 
> 
>I must agree with the fact that the blocking technique described above will
>in fact NOT be injury free. I am not sure what level Tom plays at, but
>I have seen lots of pinkies blow to pieces and thumbs jammed by higher
>jumping hitters blasting it at your block.
> 
>I do agree with the fact that this technique is excellent, but once again
>NOT EVERYONE blocks like that!
> 
>Serge

I tried blocking like that once (at the suggestion of my instructor 
at a volleyball class) and promptly got a thumb jammed quite 
thoroughly.  I'll pass now, thank you.

Dave

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