HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: = Opportunity etc.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:40:28 GMT
Followup-To: alt.individualism

In article <ARCHER.720.726846974@utkvm1.utk.edu>, ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
> 
> People with contagious diseases should remove themselves from public, as 
> they present a hazard of infection.  If they refuse to do so, they are 
> assaulting the people around them and should be removed.

Where should they remove themselves to ? Where should they be removed to,
if forcibly ? 

Are you thinking of like putting all AIDS, T.B., etc patients on a secluded
island in no-man's land somewhere ? Remember even common cold is contagious.
Some contagious diseases are treatable as well. By removing these patients
from the society, you will be taking the livelihood of many doctors, nurses
and researchers etc away from them. Do you think you have such a right ? Do 
you think the government has such a right ?

> 
> That's true, until you ask them who should pay for it.  The response is 
> then "the other guy," or "the rich should pay their fair share."
> 

It sort of shows the effect of the kind of preachings you have been making.
Such preaching makes people more and more selfish and individualistic.
The extreme state is when no one can live with anybody else but himself
or herself. Nobody is willing to pay a penny for the good of the society
as a whole. The society breaks down and the urban jungle world prevails.
"Might is right" rules.  This works well for those who already have
the "Might" (money etc.). The "Have Nots" remain "Have Nots" for ever or
perish. This would be fair if everybody started equally. But the reality is
that everybody did not start out equally.
> 
> So, we should feed the poor to keep them apathetic ?


Yes. It makes good sense politically and socially. If poor are not fed,
they are not apathetic. They take active interest in every little
problem and make it big. Such problems are then taken advantage of by
competing politicians. The poor and unemployed and homeless etc have 
all the time. They campaign and the current politicians lose - sort
of what happened with Bush.

A lot of dollars are spent to keep an artificial image of clean, healthy
society, society suffers because of such waste. 

Alok

*May vote for it but there is no demuplican party :-)*

Ps - Shouldn't this discussion be moved back to alt.individualism ?

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: pghol@ctp.com (Preeti Anissa Gholap)
Subject: Data Modeling, C, C++ skills needed
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Distribution: us
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:47:20 GMT

If youre not looking for a job in the computer industry,
skip forward now. 
Apologies for the marginal relevance of this
post  to the group - just thought it was a good place
to catch all the IIT-tech-weenies who have eschewed
the pleasures of sci.
---------------------------------------------------

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(Full-time, permanent positions also available in other
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implementation.

THE COMPANY:
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We focus on UNIX based, Open Systems solutions.
We have a professional, international staff, currently
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and recruits from top colleges to create an energetic
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We have offices in several cities across the U.S. and
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staff to participate on projects out of these offices
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU (Puneet_S)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Pressure
Date: 4 Jan 1993 22:29:56 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu

Subject:	Societal /Parental Pressure placed on young children
		in our culture to attain "greatness"

Question:	Is our culture /parental pressure too demanding of
		our children to succeed? 

Question:	Why do our parents seem to think that the most intelligent
		people become doctors?  I ask this, because my parents 
		want to find me a good indian doctor who is conservative.

		Alok, I'm not familiar with your marraige situation, but
		when you were looking did your parents also want you to
		get married to a doctor?  I pose the question to all the
		rest of you also....

Case in Point:	My uncle and aunti say that they are not pressuring
		their son to go into the medicine field.  I beg to 
		differ.  They have instilled upon the child over time,
		that in order to "be somebody" or to "be successful"
		you must be a doctor in this society.  The kid (16)
		doesn't know any better and instead of pursuing the
		option of finding out for himself what is out there,
		he is planning on pursuing medicine because it will
		please his parents.

Case 2:		A friend of mine started colled early (16) and did not
		do so well the first semester.  Possibly it was because
		he did not have the opportunity to grow up with his 
		fellow classmates, possibly not (he only went to 
		high school for 3 years).  I am not sure though, because
		I started when I was 17 and another friend of mine 
		started when he was 16 and I believe we turned out o.k.
		In my experience I have had three friends who started 
		college at age 16.  Two of these three went through a
		great deal of hardship.

_______________________________________________________________________________
TOYS
Puneet

                                                         MBA2@JETSON.UH.EDU   or
                                                         BBRC215@BAL0053.B-R.COM
From: gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu (Srihari Gopal)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Hindu Digest-------------> YES!!!!
Summary: Hindu Digest
Keywords: Hindu Digest
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:15:20 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

While I may not personally agree with every fact contained in the Hindu
Digest, I myself would not like to limit *other* peoples exposure to it.

If you dont like it then simply issue a kill command so you wont have
to read it.

The Hindu tradition has long been a part of Kerala and I think some of
the postings of Hindu-D have been relevant to issues on this group.

Srihari Gopal
gopal@rwja.umdnj.edu
From: rinamdar@eng.auburn.edu (Rohit Dattatray Inamdar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Forests!
Date: 9 Jan 1993 00:10:10 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Distribution: world
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Followup-To: 
From: rinamdar@eng.auburn.edu (Rohit Dattatray Inamdar)
Reply-To: rinamdar@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Subject: In article 1ikf1iINN4lh@gap.caltech.edu, milhouse.caltech.edu!sathi (Narayana Sateesh Pillai) writes:
	I have a problem in understanding the rain forest question.
Does Kerala have a Tropical Rain Forest? 
My understanding is that it doesn't.
 An example of the tropical rain forest is the Amazon jungle.
 There are other rain forests in the world - in Africa.
 They exist just around the equator. -- 
		| Sateesh Pillai			

The tropical rain forests are found near the tropics (by thiis I mean the tropic of cancer or the tropic of capricon). The tropic of capricon passes through the central India and hence the rainforests in India are categorised either as the tropical or the subtropical rainforests.
The equatorial rainforests are found around the equator. This equator passes round the earth (just in case  people didnt know this ). So, equatorial rainforests can be and they ARE found in most of the Africa as well as the amazon basin.(they are found in Malaysia too. In fact malaysia has the oldest forests in the world.
Rohit
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Soc.culture.kerala
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:24:48 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



Firstly, I must come clean. I don't know if I can speak out on this
issue since I am in the middle of forming a group called soc.culture.
lang.bengali. However, when I saw Paul's posting on sck, I thought
I should give my $2's (corrected for inflation:-)) worth.

[1] I would have been happy with a.c.bengal if not for all those guys
who pushed me into making it a soc. newsgroup. I definitely do not
favor 2 simultaneous groups on any topic since it causes distraction.

[2] The Number of Keralites reading newsgroups is much less than the 
number of Bengalis. So ack is big enough to deal with our concerns.

[3] if sck is formed, ack will be neglected but will not be removed
( think of alt.culture.tamil)! That will become an additional burden.

[4] I have added Thirupavai verses, test messages, anon postings
and the Hindu digest to my KILL file. I am pretty happy with ack otherwise.

So, let's keep ack alive and let's maintain a good KILL file.

Bijoy

ps: Stong stomaches and tolerance are no substitutes for a well
maintained KILL file - Samit Banerjee

Xref: sparky alt.culture.kerala:1244 soc.culture.indian.telugu:1612
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: soc.culture-lang.bengali:debate!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:40:08 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu




Everyone,

You probably know that the charter for the creation of soc.culture.lang.bengali
is under debate in news.groups. Please take part in the debate and 
make it more lively. And all follow ups of this article should
be sent to news.groups.

Just a reminder.

Bijoy Sagar.

Ps: Voting period will begin in 26 days.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: cs911093@ariel.yorku.ca (SHANTY KOKKAT)
Subject: Re: Malayali humour/comic strips.
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:52:26 GMT

This is a reply to the Harihumar's article about Malayali humour/
comic strips.

> If I had to name the one thing that I miss most about Kerala, I
> would unhesitatingly choose the comic strip "Bobanum Moliyum". 
> This particular strip that appeared regularly in the "Malayala 
> Manorama".
> Is it only I who feel this way? 

I liked that comic strip too. I think I read all the books they
published (5 or 7 books),about 10 times.  I have few of them 
backhome but I forgot to bring the books.  I never got bored
although I am reading that over and over.  It's not publishing
in the Malayala Manorama any more.

> My  friends and I used to  read these in the science and social
> studies classes in school,keeping the comic hidden behind a text
> book. We were always caught, because, try as we may,we could not
> suppress the laughter that  burst through our immature defenses.
 
Oh, ya!!.  I remember once I was reading that in the bus and I 
start laughing and everybody start staring at me!!!.

> A few years later, I split my sides over Basheer's "pathummayde
> aadu" and "ntuppappakkoranayondarnnu"....

We have those books here in public library and Malayala Manorama
too.  There is about 200 malayalam books. I used to read lot's
of novels when I was back home!!!.

Shanty Kokkat


Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Re: HWhat is Religious Propaganda
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:14:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.211954.4067@fuug.fi> an4179@anon.penet.fi writes:

>What consititutes religious propaganda?  While separatist
>feeling based on religious is taking roots in Kerala,
>(as indicated by previously posted articles), it is 
>how is one to distinguish between religious propaganda
>and awareness?

All those articles condemning the ISS were rendered irrelevant once,
on banning the ISS, the leader remarked that he was not unhappy that the
ISS was being dissolved, since it had made significant progress in
countering the RSS while it (the ISS) was still alive. That was the
objective based on which the ISS was formed - a very reasonable objective,
if you ask me. It is quite clear that the ISS is (was) neither
involved nor interested in the formation of a separate state.
I don't think we need to so paranoid as to be apprehensive of a visit
by a couple of persons from Pakistan. Face it Mr./Ms. Anonymous, contrary
to fears in the hearts of politicians (Mahatma Gandhi NOT included) in
Delhi during independance, southern states, especially Kerala have not
only been exemplary with respect to maintaining communal harmony, but have
also been very committed to the union...which is not something we can say
about northern & eastern states.

Mahesh.
From: aknair@eng.auburn.edu (Ajit K. Nair)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Humour in magazines/newspapers
Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:28:19 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


All the discussion about Toms and Bobanum Moliyum brought into my mind yet another interesting character Kunjukurupu in Malayala Manorama.That was the first thing I would read when I got the newspaper into my hands.His one witty one liners 

with that right amount of sarcasm, to me was an "apt" way to start the day.There
was also Kunjamman in Mathrubhoomi.But somehow he didn't measure up to the standards of good old Kunjukurup.

Ajit Nair
From: jv4s@cyclops.micr.Virginia.EDU (Jayanand Vasudevan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: YES PROP?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 00:33:35 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


	I voted YES PROP.  I'm not sure about running a poll with a loaded  
question like "Do you want religious propoganda on the group a.c.k?" is valid.
	A flame war starts up only when people start to take themselves too 
seriously.  If you do not like the contents of a posting, a civil note 
disagreeing with the contents of article is plenty.  Dashing off an accusatory 
note to the  "offending" poster threatening him/her with immediate suspension 
of net rights and if further, provoked physical harm (including but not 
limited to broken limbs and in some extreme cases castration!), is counter 
productive.  Further more, I don't think threatening the person posting the 
"offending" article with a deluge of mail is the "grown up" thing to do 
(Sheesh...I feel like my Dad!).
	I voted YES PROP simply on principle. I'm not sure what the post 
said. All I know that it said Hindu Digest and number of lines was greater
than my attention span was capable of handling. (Really handy, this "n" key!)

Ciao.

Jayanand
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Re: Article about kerala in National Geo.
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:25:46 GMT

In article <C0CKqB.52K@cs.psu.edu> kailas@jovial.cs.psu.edu (Kailasnath S Maneparambil) writes:
>
>National Geographic had an interesting article about
>Kerala in its May 1988 issue.
>It also has some excellent photographs by Raghubir Singh.

It would be great if you could post the salient points from that article...

Mahesh.
Xref: sparky alt.culture.kerala:1184 soc.culture.indian:42876
From: cs911093@ariel.yorku.ca (SHANTY KOKKAT)
Subject: Recipe : More with Brocoli
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:18:42 GMT

Three things I can't stand is brocoli, cauliflower and speenich..
But I thought it will be helpfull to some people, if I post the
recipe..I read in the newspaper that eating brocoli is very good
for heart and to prevent heart attacks, cancer and etc..
This is how I make the brocoli..

Broccoli fried:
--------------
Brocoli				1 
Onion                   	0.40 
pacha mullaku(chilly)   	2 or 3
kaduke
salt
oil

Put some oil into the pot and put the kaduke, then onion.
When onion fried, add pacha mullaku, then add the stem of
the brocoli (of coure it must be cut into small pieces),
add salt..Then add the leaf because it only need less time
to cook...

Brocoli Thoran:
--------------

Brocoli				1
Onion				0.30
Pacha mulake (chilli)		2 or 3
coconut
salt
kaduke
manjal  		little bit (not the bit in the computer memory)

Put the kaduke into hot oil, fry the onion, add pacha mulake, and
little manjal.  Add the stem of the brocoli and little salt, and
coconut (not fully!), then add the leaf..

Enjoy.....

Shanty Kokkat (cs911093@ariel.yorku.ca)



















Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: cs911093@ariel.yorku.ca (SHANTY KOKKAT)
Subject: Arranged/Love Marriage..
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:08:31 GMT

There was a nice article in the "Kairali" (November 20,1992) about
arranged marriage and love marriage by Simon  Ninan, Hofstra
University..I don't know whether he or someone who know him is
reading this..Any way it was a very interesting article..

He came up with two options to reduce the problems with both 
arranged marriage and love marriage..

1.) "Arranged" marriages with choice and a set time limit.

2.) Love marriage with Parental approval, blessings and arrangements.


This topic was discussed in the ack before..So I just want to point
out these two interesting options..He explained some disadvantage
and advantage of both marriages..and how the Indian Youth feel
about it....I hope most of the ackers read that article...
From: tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Validity of Amendment to charter etc & a coward called anon.
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:20:55 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


1] At the very least I expected the group propagating the alt.hindu 
   material on ack to get some advice on how the net works before 
   making fools of themselves.

   The net stats that you so happily hide behind, relating to 
   the no of people that ack reaches is nothing but a count of
   people who have ack in their newsrc files with the subscription
   on.

   SCI at its last count that I remember had a dist of close to
   100,000 and no net.vote in my memory has ever been more than 
   a couple of hundred in size. Perhaps you can be kind enough to 
   put your facts were your cowardly mouth is and tell us an occasion
   where votes recieved has been close to the population of the newsgroup.

   Only people who care enough vote.
   And those who dont vote can be presumed to not care.
   
   Every ballot can only hope to decide on the basis of votes recieved.
   No one can read minds.
   Get a lesson in democracy, and at least admit that you want to 
   continue to post in-spite of what the active readership of ack wanted.
   
   Instead of siting readership stats about which you seemed to know little.
   And like michael said, begin with learning how to count.

   I marvel at the bravery of you people.
   Posting such sharp analysis from anonymous accounts.
   What are you afraid of ? This puny minority who voted to keep you out ?

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.    o o         signito ergo sum.                                        .
.     |       i sign therefore i am.               paul chemmanoor        .
.     =                                            washington d.c.        .
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From: sbmn@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (S.Subramanian(contr))
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:38:26 GMT
Subject: B & M joke
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala



Appy Hippy asks chettan :

  "Ente Kavithakalil kure koodi thee jwalakal chorukanam ennundo ?"
   (Should I stuff more flames in poems ?)

Chettan asnswer :

  "Athilum bedam kavithakal thee jwalakalil chorukunnatha"
  (It will better if you can stuff the poems in flames)



Subbu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:05:26 EST
From: <KVD1@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: one more news group?

Hi: About Paul's suggestion on soc.culture.kerala :-
I think even if the majority of ackers didn't vote, they have
shown the maturity to ignore the Hindu digest. (I saved the first
one, but didn't bother to read, the second one is still in the
mail box..).

If we can continue the same kind of discussion as we have in ack
why bother to form another news group?; especially if the
amendment of the charter helps block Hindu and other digests?
damodaran
kvd1@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: Cannibalism in Tamilnadu.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:42:59 GMT

In article <199301070107.AA30321@mp.cs.niu.edu> t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar) writes:
>
>narayana@oracorp.com (K.T. Narayana) writes:
>
>> ............ There is an edict of emperor Ashoka that he
>> brought righteousness to the Pandya, Chera, and Chola
>> country.
>
>As far as I understand, the influence of Ashoka was limited upto
>the present day TN which excludes Cheranadu which is Kerala. And
>while the cannibalism may have been popular ( many southern Indian
>temples still practice animal sacrifices and such pagan rituals
>unknown to the mainstream Hinduism) in Chola and Pandya areas,
>there are no referances to such in the Chera country. Perhaps one
>reason that affected the development of Chera region faster than
>the other regions is its proximity to ancient ship routes and the
>interaction it brought about with other cultures. I find it difficult
>to believe that Fahian and Huang shang who visited Mussiriss, the
>port-capital of Chera dynasty would not comment on such paganistic
>rituals. So, at least in the Chera region, the practice can be safely
>assumed to be out of vogue at least by 8 A.D.
>
>- Bijoy
>
  
         Bijoy, your response to Kuram Narayana's posting, shows me
         how seriously one can be misled !! Kuram Narayana seems to
         suffer from tamilophobia and he is probably following on the
         footsteps of a nettor from 'gmuvax';-) 

         In short Kuram Narayana's claims are simply outrageous.
         He is merely trying to slander the rich culture of tamils.
         [ it is also quite possible Kuram Narayana is trying to find
          a parallel to Purushamedha yaaga which invlves human sacrifice]

 - Selva