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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:37:00 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Clear the air
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On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU wrote:

> I believe there was some speculation about how Judith gets
> called names. I am quoting this in order to throw some light
> on the question of who does the actual naming.
>
> Similar processes seem to be at work behind list angel, list
> uncle, bandwidth pig etc. List goddess is one example which
> doesn't seem to follow the pattern. About Czarina, I am not
> sure.

1). List Angel: Michael McMillan (?) named Karen this
2). List Uncle: ???
3). Bandwidth Pig: I named myself this, and it has sort of generalized
itself to include any regular poster to W-L
4). Czarina: Rita was telling me this the other day, but I've already
forgotten ;-)
5). Don't forget Adam is List Honey, named by Rashmi
6). List Goddess: didn't Dan name Natalie this?

-abh
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From:         ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU
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Posted on 12 Nov 1992 at 15:02:41 by Rita Leonard 552-3403 (617)
>Did you receive two private mailings from me?

Yes.  I haven't answered them yet (well, the second one doesn't really
need an answer), because I am slow.  I also sent you personal mail to
tell you so; that should be showing up in a week or 10 days...

Karen
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>2, Strategic Army Corps, with the addendum "Acronym has come to mean
>   'ordered' or 'neat'"  Yea, right...
>
>JMW

That's the one I know, although I had the idea, apparently mistaken,
that it was Command rather than Corps.  In my mind, at least, the
extended meaning was a little more than ordered and neat.  Something
along the lines of "done by the book" and "highly prepared."  As I
recall it, STRAC units were supposed to be deployable on 72 hours'
notice.  Hence, everything was kept in a state of high readiness.  I
had the dubious distinction of serving in such a unit for a very
short time.  The only thing good about it was the briefness of my
tenure.

Michael E. Macmillan
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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: Gleanings (67)

16) Mesa PL (John Wm.)
        Uh, this is Mesa Public Library, home of the latest brouhaha in
town, namely whether Madonna's bound blap should be even owned, much less made
available.  Library already had it on order when Hizzoner the mayor heard of
it and forced the Director to cancel the order.  ("That's Mesa for you - the
widest streets and the narrowest minds in the Valley.." - Vince Anderson,
Director, MPL)  Whereupon three generous souls *donated* copies!  These now
reside in the mayor's office while the Powers That Be decide the best way to
crawdad out of the whole mess, heh heh heh...  It gets better - the Library
Board is going to review the whole sorry mess, but the youngest member is 14,
so first they must decide whether to permit a board member to even look at the
book that she's to rule is decent or not!  Part of me deplores this whole
sorry mess, and part of me is ROFLMAO!  (BTW, Mesa isn't _really_ as yahoo as
this makes it out to be;  our last three mayors have been Jewish, female, and
Oriental, in that order...)  Willie Wong's a nice guy - went to school with him,
   in fact, something that scares the hell out of me - but he's waaaaaaay otta l
   ineon this one!

John "Book-burners should be shot" W.
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>Graham, Torkel, Akio, Tony, Carolyn - how are other countries seeing these
>results?
>
>Emily (who is going to celebrate down at McGinty's with some friends) 8-)

The Australian media appeared to be very pro-Clinton during the campaign, or
perhaps, they were just anti-Bush. President Bush upset many Australians
during his visit and he had not been very popular over here since then.
There appeared to be quite a jubilant atmosphere here when the election results
were announced until the retiring American Ambassador delivered his speech,
announcing that Australians couldn't expect to see any changes in American
Foreign policy or in their 'free-market' policies.....that really put a
damper on things.

Carolyn
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK>
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: I recall no one on this list as having ever "bashed" another for their

Close Jim, I could only find one:

		Ruth "sick of Graham's atheist drivel" H

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>Tushar: How do you know all this, especially about Homowo? More
>to the point, do you have usable photographs? I'm amazed that
>you have this information--or do you have a wonderfully complete
>ethnographic handbook at hand?

All I did was wander over to the Regenstein library, pull out
random books on Ghana (and "Gold Coast") and look for Ga and
Homowo in the index pages. Hit it after three books, and after
about twelve books, I had seen around four references and (very
insufficient) descriptions of Homowo. Enough to convince me
that there is such a thing, though.

I logged in again after a fairly long time, so I didn't remember
the names of the books I had seen. One of them is just a colonial-
wife's-diary kind of book. Another is a dictionary of all things
Ghanaian.

I don't have any photographs.

tushar
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From:         ann mandi <AMM@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
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On 10 Nov 1992 at 12:00:01 Dan Lester said:

>but then WHY does it PISS me off so much when all the soundbites of
>Lou Piniella on the tube last nite, accepting/announcing his job as
>manager of the lameass mariners ...


He also said:  'I hope this is the last managing job I ever have.'

He may get what he asks for, and get it sooner than he expects.
But at least he got away from that damn mutt.
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-- Connie Mack
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Subject: Re: HELLO!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:18:26 GMT
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In a previous article, ll23%nemomus@ACADEMIC.NEMOSTATE.EDU () says:

>Posted on 11 Nov 1992 at 15:14:56 by James R Llewellyn
>>Peace, Love, and Perot in '96,
>
>Oh, puke!
>
Shouldn't that be "Oh, Bushusuru"[sp]?

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Subject:      Re: legislating behavior (was amendment 2 ...)

Thanks for the comments, Graham.  I don't have to ask Ruth if her
church is established.  It's in the United States.  Perhaps you've
heard "Congress shall make no law with respect to the establishment
of religion..."  The distinction I drew was with respect to
established churches, such as the Church of Scotland (if it still
exists)

Steve Karlson
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On Wed, 4 Nov 1992, (Jim Thomas) wrote:

> I knew a pederist once....and some in this group are known to actively
> engage in homiletics.

Pederast.
     ^

-abh
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In article <9211072031.AA11261@hela.INS.CWRU.Edu> "(Ruth M. Hanschka)" <ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> writes:

>the Bible condemns homosexual "realtions", and the command given that
>Christians are to love their neighbors no matter what.....

>I believe what the Bible says - the whole
>thing, subject to interpretation.  I believe that the whole thing is the
>word of God, written basically as an instruction manual for how to know and
>follow the will of the Creator.

What you're saying is that you believe *one* specific (and rather rigid)
interpretation. What you seem to call "Chistian-bashing" is resistance
of those who are the targets of this interpretation. When Pat Buchanan
and Pat Robertson, who espouse an explicit view of some life styles,
rail on against gays, you can bet there will be a response bythe
victims of those tirades. For you, "Christian bashing" simply means
your are criticized for bashing others. For gays, "gay bashing" means
denial of rights, discrimination, and violent victimization.
You do not believe "what the Bible says"--you believe, as you admit,
a narrow and bigoted interpretation of the Bible. That interpretation
demonizes some segments of the population. I have had sufficient
experiences with such people--including an anti-gay incident at NIU--
(with a faculty member) to suggest that there is a nasty consistency
in views such as yours and a disingenuousness that is dangerous.
I refer you to your propensity for violence in threatening a physical
assault on Graham.

What you are calling "Christian bashing" is a hypocritical attempt to
deflect attention from your own intolerance. It is *not* Christians
who are being attacked, but a narrow-minded minority who think they
possess some transcendant "truth" that stigmatizes others.  
In your view, "fag-bashing" is the will of "God?" And you wonder
why you're flamed? 

Jim (who believes in bashing bigots, not Christians) Thomas

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From:         "JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS"
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Subject:      Re: Referenda do be do be do (Re: Adventures in Democracy)

YES! YES! YES!  Hot damn!  A chance to do two things at once:
1.  Get even for all of the liberal Arizona-bashing of the last few years, and
2.  Indulge in guilt-free PC zealotry by making every member of a group suffer
    for the actions of a few!  All right!  Y'know, I just bet this concept
    could be extended to other areas as well!  I can hardly wait...  8-)

John "Hell, them <blanks> is all alike!" W.
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Posted by tushar

>Some questions about names:
>
>>Zsuzsanna Budapest
>
>Is this a real name? Especially "Zsuzsanna" - is there a language where
>the name is really spelt that way?

This is indeed good Hungarian (if that isn't an oxymoron). "Zs" is pronounced
like "s" in "pleasure". Budapest (pronounced -pesht) is, I would imagine,
a nom de seance.

>>Shekhinah Mountainwater
>
>I have been seeing names on this pattern lately, but sorry to say I have
>no clue about them at all. Is it a native American name anglicised? The
>surname, that is. The first name sounds vaguely Muslim (i.e. probably middle
>eastern), but honestly I have never heard it in India at least. Hmm, unless
>it is a variant of Sakeenah.

Definitely native American; almost any name like this is, just like
"Sittingbull" or "Littlebigman" would be. The first name I would guess, on
its own, to be Hebrew, but in context, it is probably from some native American
language; there are enough of them (languages, that is) that it would not be
surprising if one was unfamiliar.

              blomberg "1/16th Algonquin" cepeda
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:21:10 -0500
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              "CROSEN%BGSUOPIE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu" at Nov 9, 92 7:59 pm

>
> Greetings,
>
> As for the mechanics of citing an electronic communication, I suspect they
> must be derived from the practices that are used in citing other kinds of
> nonpublished communications, such as snail correspondence.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

		but this is HARDLY "non-published" - it's sort of
		between personal correspondence and formal publishing
		- and besides, these lists - some of them - are
		archived for FUTURE reference - no? How does one find
		out how much of a particular list is being archived -
		and for how long?

		Agnes
		trying to do the right thing - if and/or when she finds
		something she wants to cite
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From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@RACHEL.IBMPCUG.CO.UK>
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	Yeah, man, this is lame par excellance. You can prove anything with the
	Bible, there are so many commands and countermands in it.

That *was* the point I was trying to make, my dear.

G
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Illinois ballots are punch cards too.  I think it reduces setup
costs.  The election authority only has to print up as many templates
as it has booths.  The punch cards can be retained for other
elections.  When I lived in Michigan, Detroit voted on cards and the
suburbs voted on machines.  Wisconsin used machines when I lived
there.  The problem with machines is that they jam, and too many
people screwed up their votes because they didn't pay attention to
how to cast write-in votes.

It is possible to cast a straight-party vote in Illinois.  You don't
pull a lever, you punch the hole for the straight-party option.

Steve Karlson
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In a previous article, gtoal@PIZZABOX.DEMON.CO.UK (Graham Toal) says:

>
>So why can't you in all conscience condone a physical expression of love
>between two adults?  Is it just because of physical revulsion for an act

Because I happen to think it's wrong if not done in the context of marriage.
That's for anyone, Graham, straight, gay, bi, or other.  

>that you think is 'dirty'?  Done properly, it isn't.  I know several
>*women* who rather enjoy it in fact.  Is it the act you object to, or
>the people who do it?  Would you with good conscience condemn a heterosexual
>woman for doing in private something that gives her pleasure?  If you
>say yes, I'll concede that you're not as bigoted against gays as I perceive
>you to be - merely small-town narrow-minded, which is quite forgivable.
Very well, when it comes to matters sexual, I'm narrow-minded.  On the other
hand, I also refuse to condemn people for what they do in private.  Let he
[or she] who is without sin cast the first stone, Graham.  I'm not qualified
to throw a marshmallow.  

>
>I am of course totally traducing you by inferring that you equate an act
>of love between to grown adults as being as heinous as deliberately
>abusing children who can't defend themselves.  But if *all* your
Graham, you're doing it again.  I gave an example of a law that hasn't stamped
out a behaviour, two laws in fact.   You infer so far off target it's
ludicrous.  I'll bet you know that, too.  My goat is no longer up for
grabs; you got it once, now it's staying out of range.

>analogies are consistently flawed, can you blame me for inferring
>that you're a homophobic bigot?  Wait till the day you discover that
Yes, quite frankly.  I can.  The nature of an analogy is that it will be
imperfect; it's in the source code.  

>some close friend or other is gay.  Maybe even your minister...
Uhmm - I doubt that last.:-)  I know him *very* well, and his wife.  If he
were gay, or bi, he'd have told me years ago.  Chances are he'd no longer be
in the ministry under those circumstances in any case.  Either way, he'd
have told most of the congregation.  If a friend of mine is gay, a Christian
one that is, it still wouldn't make any difference in how I felt about that
person.   Some of my nonChristian friends *are* gay, Graham.  I know it,
they know how I feel about it,, and we're still friends.  You don't have
to wait for that one to happen Graham, it did already.

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From:         Tushar Samant <samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      crib sheet

Heard this story from a friend of a friend. He (friend of friend) teaches
a math class as part of his grad work. This time when he announced a test
he allowed his subjects to carry a crib sheet with them to the test. But
he specified the size of the sheet and further specified that only ONE
surface of the sheet can be used (to write whatever formulas they wanted).

One student got an advantage by gluing the sheet into a Mobius band.

I don't know whether this actually happened, by the way. Just quoting
what someone said.

tushar
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:47:24 CST, "List Goddess" <maynor@ra.msstate.edu> wrote:
> Yes it did.  I called Graham and Anne paranoid crazies, I think.  :-)
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I believe you did, yes, but I don't hold it against you.  Anyway, I
seem to remember insinuating that you had sex with your dog, so I guess
we were even :-)

G
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:49:00 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Biblical thought for the day...
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On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:51:10 EST, "Tony @ Brownvm" <EL406045@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
 wrote:
> Sounds as though every little word in the OT is to be obeyed
> (for the next little while at least).

You've really got the hang of this game!  How about you and me start up
our own little revivalist church and see if we can sell the bits about
giving all your chattels to whoever asks for them...  (I've never yet seen
a church that *didn't* pass round the platter... of course, if folks
would actually listen to what Matthew says about not praying in church
(or synagogue as they were called in those days) then there wouldn't
be any _need_ for a fund for the upkeep of the church roof.  I was always
told that the Church was the people, not the building)

G (still waiting for a translation of the correct verses from the Greek, Bill)
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK (Graham Toal) says:

>On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:49:00 CST, "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 (815)"
> <TA0SHK1@NIU.BITNET> wrote:
>> >>Ask Ruth what the policy would be in her church, and whether its
>> >>established.
>> > Is this another flame-bait question Graham, or are you serious.
>> Give it a rest, Ruth.  I used the term "established" in a very precise
>
>Steve, I think you picked up on the wrong part of the question.
>
And I answered the rest of it in private anyway.  So can we drop
this thread?  I do know someone who would absolutely love to debate all
this, but he doesn't have net access.:-(

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>               Velikij Okt'abr' (that's Great October, Akio)

Why Akio?

tushar
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On Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:49:44 EDT Evelyn Duncan said:
>Wasn't it Philadelphia that inspired David Lynch?

   I meant to check on Lynch's biography, but isn't Evelyn right?
   Didn't Lynch go to art school in Philadelphia, and fashion the
   industrial-hell setting of -Eraserhead- from his experience of
   the underside of the city?

   I visited Philadephia briefly in April 1986.  The skyline
   experience had a surreal accompaniment:  one of the downtown
   buildings (the newspaper tower?) had a giant King Kong figure
   scaling its side.  Rashmi or Alec: can you confirm that I
   didn't just dream this?

   brad
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