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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Blood donations at UCLA
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:58:36 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1993Jan11.073746.23705@mic.ucla.edu> cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones) writes:
>Question 6 was "If male, have you, even once, had sex with
>another man since 1977?"  So I answered yes.  When the worker went over
>the form with me, she said that she had never seen anyone answer yes to
>that question and had to look it up (she wasn't a regular there).  She
>pulled out the big notebook and proceeded to inform me that  I would have
>to get a "permanent deferral," which means I can never donate blood at
>UCLA (or anywhere else).  This is due to federal, state, and Red Cross
>rules.

I have never donate blood since I usually faint over having to give
just a little.  I did understand that people who have had sex with gay
or bisexual males or who have had sex with someone who had sex with
those groups since xx date was not a possible bone marrow donor, but I
never knew that a person could be permantently deferred from blood
donations in a similar manner.

The blood test that they administer is not 100% accurate.  If they
knowingly accepted an individual who may have HIV, then they open
themselves up again to a MAJOR lawsuit.  Although you said that you
did not have HIV (at least I read into it that you didn't), it would
be impracticle for them to test you and watch you for 6-12 months to
make sure that you don't have any exchange of body fluids.

If you can say 100% that you have absolutely no HIV or Hep-B in your
blood that could possibly harm someone, then you might consider lieing
if you knew that your blood would make a difference.  However, there
are too many unknowns for me right now to say 100%... albeit 99.999%,
but it is that fraction of a percent that I know will eventually be a
hit if everyone ignores it.

Now... putting on the activist hat.  Who the hell is the red cross protecting
if they totally ignore the rutting hets which you mentioned.  AIDS is the
leading cause of death for teens in the world... they should know by
now to make the questionaire generic.  I guess when it was first
produced a few years ago, some pencil pushing bean counter figured out
that 98% of the tainted blood would be removed via the questionaire
and the rest of the 99.999% would be removed by the actual HIV test,,,
then to hell with the .000999% because most of them probably wouldn't
live and those that did probably wouldn't be able to trace it back to
the blood... maybe 1 or 2 out of millions.  Small price to pay for
them to get their bigoted thoughts down on paper.  

This is just one more example of the nails that bigots use to hammer
into the self-esteem of gays and lesbians!

-- 
|Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer|tom.barrett@amd.com|v:512-462-6856 |
|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free" ---Tracy Chapman, "Why?"              |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Wil Wheaton at MacWorld!!!!!
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:39:26 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1993Jan11.025853.11332@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>is "vegesexual" the sexual orientation parallel to "vegetarian"?

SO!  Yout don't read Outland, do you... you just have to read it.  If
your local paper doesn't carry it, then go to the library and read the
LA Times Sunday Comics.  Then bitch to your local paper.  Mr. Breathed
hails from Texas and definitely has a way of looking at the silly
bigotries and injustices of the world!

-- 
|Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer|tom.barrett@amd.com|v:512-462-6856 |
|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free" ---Tracy Chapman, "Why?"              |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Blood donations at UCLA
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:04:30 GMT

In article <C0pu90.Cx@panix.com> pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich) writes:
>if you really want to
>put on your insulted activist hat, ditto from sub-saharan africa.

Those people certainly crossed my mind... now another question: What
is the questionaire like overseas?  In Paris, for example where AIDS
is the leading cause of death among young people?  In India, where
people are chained in the streets (is that still going-on?)?  And,
what about Africa?  If the questionaire doesn't contain such language
overseas, then one must conclude that it is only for legal protection
and they only care about protecting the blood supply to a financial
degree.
 


-- 
|Tom Barrett (TDBear), Sr. Engineer|tom.barrett@amd.com|v:512-462-6856 |
|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free" ---Tracy Chapman, "Why?"              |
|My views are my own and may not be the same as the company of origin  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
Followup-To: soc.motss
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:15:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.161634.11857@midway.uchicago.edu> 
 elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I'd say it's too bad you've never met Peg's kids; the next generation
>as to come from _somewhere_, and a lovelier, brighter, more queer-
>positive bunch of children you won't find anywhere.
>[...]If it's a choice of ceding breeding rights to the
>'phobes or to Peg, it's a damned easy choice.

I'll second that (though the children of another bi woman I know are
in serious competition as examples of queer-positive, non-disfunctional
kids.)  In one case the chosen partner is a women, in the other a man --
both escape facile generalizations.

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
                      |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hessel@soc.umn.edu (Denise Hesselton)
Subject: homosexuality and religion
Organization: Department of Sociology, University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:43:21 GMT

I posted this in alt.politics.homosexuality, and someone suggested I post it
here in soc.motss as well.  It's the first time I've heard of this 
newsgroup; what's it about, anyway?  

*****************************************************************************
From: hessel@soc.umn.edu (Denise Hesselton)
Subject: religion and homosexuality
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:36:12 GMT

I have a friend (no, really, I'm serious) who just recently came out to her 
family.  She has known she is a lesbian for years (she's 31), but has never 
had a lover.  The reason is because she is also a very devout Lutheran, and 
is having a great deal of difficulty reconciling her attraction to women 
with what the Bible and her church have to say about it.  Because she 
believes much of what her religion teaches her about her sexual preference, 
she is, needless to say, miserable.

I'm agnostic, and so I have no personal insight to offer her on the 
subject.  So, I'm appealing to members of this newsgroup for some advice/
words of wisdom which I can pass on to her.  Please e-mail me directly; no 
need to clutter up this newsgroup with stuff that's been covered before.

Thanks much!
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: taking over
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:20:50 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan6.163732.11009@infonode.ingr.com>,
norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) wrote:

> Humph. Code phrase: Prevent babies; drain your neighbors sperm.

Hear, here!  

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bill@psych.toronto.edu (Bill Pusztai)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:38:13 GMT

 
In article <1993Jan13.003127.10297@spdcc.com> Steve
asks:
 
>Do Canadians have sex? :-) :-)
 
It is, after all, "in the Canadian psyche to slavishly
copy from the American example".
 
______________________________oOo_______________________________
                               +
bill@psych.toronto.edu  Bill Pusztai   B7 f++ t++ w+ g+ k+ s+ p+
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: tearoom sex and bathroom police
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:42:21 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca
Distribution: soc

In article <TIM.93Jan11064708@ear-ache.mit.edu> tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim  
Wilson) writes:
> Here at MIT there is currently an ongoing brouhaha regarding tearoom
> sex.  The campus police are engaging both visible and undercover
> operatives in an attempt to shut down one of the more established
> tearooms on campus (and in Boston).  

> I was personally surprised by the ease with which many contributors
> treated the problem as a theoretical one; there were subject headers
> like "How far to defend our fellow queers" and the like.  While
> several contributors were forthright and down to earth in their
> representation of the history and practice of tearoom sex, it never
> seemed to occur to a larger number of correspondents that some of
> their readers might have had sex in a bathroom.  Like me. 

>  Beyond the interaction between powers that be and lesbigay
>  organizations, I'm interested in the response of the
>  community in general.

There is nothing *wrong* with an exciting fling in a deserted bathroom at  
3 AM when nobody is around. One of our most important freedoms is the de  
facto freedom to break minor laws in inconsequential ways. However, if (as  
the complainant in your article alleged) people are feeling uncomfortable  
in bathrooms as a result of sexual activity, it is sexual harrassment  
plain and simple, and should be dealt with accordingly.

Of course, entrapment, unreasonable punishments, videotaping men sitting  
on the can, and the wanton harassment of gay men who are having sex at 3  
AM with nobody around and harming nobody is unjust and a violation of  
privacy. I would protest this as I would any other injustice. However, I  
would not defend the bathroom sex per se; I believe in laws against public  
sex, but not in their use as a weapon against lesbigays.

As for sex that is genuinely disturbing others, I have no problem with the  
intervention of the law. Forcing others to deal with sexual situations  
against their will is just plain wrong, and you know as well as I that  
this happens quite frequently in the area of tearoom sex.


-Anthony
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Maria Montez vs Burl Ives, or Lighten Up a Little, Folks
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:42:18 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <1hm5m8INNfja@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <72490@cup.portal.com> 
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>> Adolphson whines:
>
>No, I wasn't "whining".

Don't take it personally, George defines whining as speaking without
a full beard.

Ry
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Subject: Re: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette)
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:59:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.051453.19777@spdcc.com> urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell) writes:
>...and, of course, we shouldn't fail to mention the contributions 
>Waffle House has made to civilization.  Traveling through the Southeast,
>there is at least one Waffle House on each exit... in more popular
>areas there are two Waffle Houses on one exit... one for those who 
>turn left after the exit and one for those that turn right after the
>exit ramp.
> 
  In Athens, for many years, the Waffle House at Five Points was
  rumored to be a place where homasekshuls gathered.

  *I* never found any there.

  Wayne


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Subject: SO in desparate search for job in UNIX admin
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1
Organization: University of California Los Angeles
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:36:00 PST

Hey everyone.

My SO is desparately seeking a job in the area of Unix system
administration.  He has a BS in CS and a minor in math from the
University of Redlands (1990) and has extensive experience in CD-ROM
technologies for UNIX, and in technical support. 

He was laid off in August and got a contract to be a long-term substitute
teacher for this semester only, which ends at the end of January.

If Motsketeers out there know of any positions that are available in the
area of UNIX admin, CD-ROM, tech support, or any combination, please let
me know.  I will be posting his resume on misc.jobs.offered, or you can
e-mail me for an ASCII copy.  (Look for "Seeking position in UNIX admin,
programming, support")  Unfortunately, he (we) cannot relocate, so a
position in Los Angeles or Orange counties, or in the Inland Empire would
be keen.

Since my happiness is directly proportional to his, this is real
important to me.  Thanks in advance for any help.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chad Jones                 | Do I need someone here to scold me or do I
Network Manager            | need someone who'll grab and pull me out of
UCLA Physiological Science | this four poster dull torpor pulling
cjones@physci.ucla.        | downward?                 -- 10,000 Maniacs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Bar-B-Q Etiquette
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:47:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.191923.25191@infonode.ingr.com> norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
>Steve Wingard <wingard@scw.b30.ingr.com> (a member of the ingr "family") 
>writes:
>>
>>TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney) writes:
>>>
>
>>But when you cross over the border into South Carolina, it changes
>>*again*.  Stop off at Maurice Bessinger's "Piggie Park" ("Home of the
>>Flying Pig"!) in Columbia, and you'll get barbecue sauce that's made
>>from a base of yellow mustard and apple cider vinegar, served over the
>>same shredded slow-roasted pork...
>
"Piggie Park" was featured in the most saliva-inducing food program
I have ever seen (after Anton Mossiman's cooking show), a PBS
program hosted by Tom T Hall about styles of BBQ in the US. I'm
surprised none of our KC locals have piped in; I have eaten BBQ
from Vic 'N Betty's on Silver in San Francisco ("It's The Sauce!")
to Wilmington NC and I've had none better than two places in
the general vicinity of Kansas City-- Arthur Bryant's and the
only tavern in the town of Williamton, KS, about 100 miles to the
southwest. Missouri BBQ seems to deemphasize the vinegar-and-sugar
component of the sauce in favor of more herbs. I love North Carolina
BBQ, although I'd like to try that place in northern Georgia (I
believe it's near Augusta) that serves barbequed rabbit with
sweet mustard sauce. I get hungry thinking of any greasy heap
of pinkish paper holding the smells of smoked meat.

All of this reenforced my determination to construct that 55-gallon
drum smoker for this summer. We have an abundance of venison in
those parts.

>YUK!
>
>>(I do miss it, despite the fact that Mr. Bessinger is a rather
>>obnoxiously born-again fellow who has lots of tracts at the door and a
>>ministry next door to the restaurant with a 30-foot cross, complete
>>with inspiriational messages scrolling across it in lights....)
>
>That's even better than The Worship Center right here in Huntsville.  all
>they have is a Bible-shaped billboard with the little shiny things that
>give it a sequin effect.
>
>>Steve Wingard
>>(who is also *very* tired of the Crimson Tide, though it will get him in
>>trouble with Jeff Norris...)
>
>Can you say "NATIONAL CHAMPIONS"?  Yes, I knew you could.
>
>jeff [one of those obnoxious Bama fans.]
>
>p.s.  Hi Steve!  See you at lunch Thursday.


-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543

"To eat, to love, to sing, and to digest; in truth, these are the four
acts in this opera bouffe that we call life, and which vanishes like 
bubbles in a bottle of champagne."     --Gioacchino Rossini
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best men's colognes
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:10:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.121046.8502
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan6.114002.10153@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <72990@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com
>(George Dalton Madison) writes:
>
>>and you can make yourself
>>something totally unique.
>
>Not more uniquer yet?

I think he meant to type 'like totally' unique. He does have a totally
unusual style doesn't he, almost unique.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Subject: Re: ex-gays and the church
Organization: New York University
Distribution: USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:29:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan05.131323.11062@convex.com> cgraham@convex.com (Chip Graham) writes:

>Recently there was a group called Exodus International (or soemthing like that)
>which was a 'ministry' to help gays go straight thru some twist of Christian
>teaching.  I remember seeing the founder on TV not too long ago saying that
>although he began this ministry, was gay, went straight, married, the whole
>schmeel, he could not quit being gay and finally left the 'ministry'. The 
>whole thing was said to be a sham. Now, I know there are several groups out 
>there who do this sort of thing, but this one interests me the most. I need
>to know who this person was that was converted and then fell back into 
>gaydom... 

Gee, I never thought the garbage I received from Focus on the Family could 
come in handy, but lo and behold there's a mention of Exodus International
and its president, Andy Comiskey.  No mention of whether he's the founder or 
not, just a reference to him as a "former homosexual who is now happily 
married."  The address given for Exodus is P O Box 2121, San Rafael, 
California 94912 and their phone number is 415-454-1017.

Emily
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: charlie@isis.mit.edu (Charlie Fulton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:04:04 GMT
Organization: Ctr for Advanced Rsrch in Oppressive Binarisms
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <1993Jan4.015440.15663@spdcc.com> 
Bob Donahue, rdonahue@spdcc.com writes:
>[*]  WHY!!!  WHY are there no dart boards in any of the Boston bars!

I always go to Drumlins on Mass Ave when I feel like darts.
It's friendly and cruisy! :-)

>Darts are better than pool because 1) more people play simultaneously,
>2) you can be on a team with the guy you want to meet, 3) I'm way
>better at darts than pool.   

Darts aren't better than pool because 1) you don't have to bend over
to throw a dart.

Charlie
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (Snappy comebacks to assholes)  
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:33:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.192741.11063@mcs.anl.gov> nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov.bitnet (Jim Wylde) writes:

>some snappy comebacks are:

>"faggot!"
>'That's MS. FAGGOT to you'
>(I have copyright on this one kiddies!)

Since Arnold Zwicky is off-line (if I remember correctly), I will pass along 
his favorite, which is "that's Professor Faggot, to you."  Arnold added that 
he would have used his full title "that's Distinguished Professor Faggot" 
but he felt the listener could not process that many syllables at once.

Emily
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success sto
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:03:03 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan7.154934.7886@infonode.ingr.com> norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:
>>The problem is when it's messy from the weekend from two kids (like ours
>>is).  By Friday night when I get home, a week's worth of clutter is layered
>>on top and the kids are there again.  I'm not complaining, but I'm beginning
>>to see the need for a part-time maid.  Has anybody got any insight on this?
>
>Have you considered pot roast recipes?

Career or Home/Kids?  Career?  Home/Kids? hmmm...

>I was about to suggest a cleaning service, but what you're describing seems
>to be clutter, not dirt.  

True.  Except when the furniture is too piled up to dust.  (I mean when too
much stuff is piled on the furniture, not that the furniture is actually
*stacked*; although it's almost to that point.  I really *must* stop going
to antique auctions...)

>Still might work, if only because you'd be mortified
>to have hired help see the house in the state it is, and you'd tidy up
>yourself.

But I shower every morning and comb my hair... oh! Now I see.  Actually,
this is what happens when we have friends/family coming for a visit.  But
it only works the first time they visit; after that they just have to clean 
off a spot to sit.

jeff
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Seid umschlungen, Millionen.  Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:18:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.184837.26853@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.060354.28964@netcom.com>, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>> The subject line of this article, by the way, is used near the end of the
>> piece, a bit more literally perhaps than in the poem from which it is taken.
>> I wonder what percentage of our readers have heard it; I'd guess 80 or 90
>> percent. 
>
>Yes, but I'll bet a considerably smaller percentage are *aware* that
>they've heard it.
>
>Was it sung in the show?

A recording of that section of it was played; Tim didn't sing it. 

-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Musings on Madonna
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 00:37:31 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1iocbnINN53o@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>

Gary Byma writes:
>Give it a rest already! I thought you were going to retract those
>claws.  

I said I was dropping the discussion of *why* I find you-know-who
to be objectionable in the extreme.  I never said I was going to
pretend I LIKED him.

>And for the record, possessing a central nervous system doesn't
>necessarily make you a sentient being.

No, but it's an essential first step.  ;-) 

 
() How can I worry about your miserable violin when I am
() speaking to my God?
()      -- Beethoven
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best men's colognes
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:25:22 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

In article <73068@cup.portal.com>, Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
|> Joseph Francis squeals:
|> [dreck deleted]
|> 
|> Just in the mood to be obnoxiously picayune and more than usually
|> pointless, eh?  Go bury yourself.

Just in the mood to be typically obnoxious and pointless, eh?  Go wash
yourself.


FWA
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