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From: smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: HELP: Loadmatrix from static memory seems to fail, sorta
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:09:01 GMT
Organization: Scientific Research Lab, Ford Motor Company
Distribution: world
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Originator: smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com


Does anyone have any insight into why getmatrix/loadmatrix would fail doing
somthing like this:

    static struct {
         int type;
         Matrix m;
    } OBJECT;
    Matrix checkmat;
    ...
    
    /* set OBJECT.m to identity matrix, its verified correct */

    loadmatrix(OBJECT.m);
    ...

    getmatrix(checkmat);   /* code exits here */

For some bizarre reason, the program just exits quietly at the call
to getmatrix;  No core dump, no segmentation violation, nothing.
On my IBM  rs6k I get a segmentation violation on the loadmatrix, so
I suspect this is a problem.

I'm running 4.0.5F on an Indigo Elan.


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From: kreidler@convex.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de (Homer Simpson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: adapted version of MOPAC6.0 for Personal Iris
Date: 24 Jan 1993 15:39:13 +0100
Organization: Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: convex.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de
Summary: Search for Mopac6.0 on Personal Iris
Keywords: Personal Iris, Mopac, Computer Chemistry

Hello out there!

A couple of months ago, i read about a special adapted version of the QCPE
Program MOPAC6.0 for the Personal Iris in this newsgroup. It was available
via anonymous ftp. It worked well on our Iris 4D20G, but unfortunately i
lost the code. Could anyone tell me the address of the ftp-server holding
this special source of MOPAC6.0?

Thanks a lot

Kay Kreidler
Dept. Of Inorganic Chemistry
Heinrich-Heine-University Duesseldorf
Germany
From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: DMA transfers between machines
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:35:10 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <35204@adm.brl.mil> beyer@bflsgu.fl.bs.dlr.de (Ralf Beyer DLR) writes:
| we would like to DMA transfer data from a SGI machine to another
| machine (DEC LSI11). Both machines are connected by Ethernet and
| have Ethernet controllers.
| 
| On the LSI11 there is no room for the overhead required by TCP/IP
| or UDP. The LSI11 initiates a DMA request (memory address, block
| size etc.) and expects the SGI machine to listen and to respond
| with a DMA transfer.
| 
| QUESTION: What is to do or how must the SGI machine be configured
| 	  to be able to receive the DMA request via the Ethernet
| 	  and then in turn make the DMA transfer ?

As stated, it sounds impossible.  You could certainly write
some simple protocol and try it out, using raw sockets on the
SGI side (see man 7 raw), but then you still have to add 
all kinds of error checking and retry stuff if you want it at
all reliable...

Your initial assumption that the LSI11 has no room for tcp
may well be wrong.  There were several very small TCP implementations
done for systems based on the LSI 11 chip set several years
ago, as I recall (of course, your particular system may already
be maxed out).
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
From: blbates@aero36.larc.nasa.gov (Brent L. Bates ViGYAN AAD/TAB)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: mouse cleaning
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:07:10 GMT


     You're being sarcastic, right?!
     I want my optical mouse back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     Actually, our three older systems still have the superior optical mice,
so I'm only annoyed when I have to use our new Indigo that has the crummy
machanical mouse.  I have yet to hear any one give me an inteligent reason
why they prefer machanical mice.  You still need a pad for them.  The balls
tend to `jam' and jurk.  They are heavy.  And most of all they are machanical,
so they have parts that easily ware out, get dirty, etc..
     SGI read my electrons!  Give us back our optical mice!

  Brent L. Bates				Phone:(804) 864-2854
  M.S. 361			  		  FAX:(804) 864-8469
  NASA Langley Research Center
  Hampton, Virginia  23681-0001
  E-mail: blbates@aero36.larc.nasa.gov or blbates@aero00.larc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: jesse@sgi.com (Jesse Rendleman)
Subject: Re: Creating Users with more than 8 chars?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:49:19 GMT

In article <106544> din@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Clarence Din) writes:
>Can user login names exceed 8 characters in IRIX 4?  I successfully
>created an account with a login name of 9 letters.  When I do an ls -l
>on that acct, I see:
>
>file   xxxxxxxxxyyyyy  etc etc...
>
>where xxxxxxxxx is the login name and yyyyy is the group.  There is
>no space between the x's and y's.  Besides this problem, are there
>any others I have to worry about?

From the passwd(4) man page:

     The passwd file contains the following information for each user:

     name      User's login name - contains no upper case characters and must
               not be greater than eight characters long.

     ...

The fact that invalid accounts can be created is a known bug, reportedly
fixed in the next major o/s release.

The philosophical argument whether 8 characters is a reasonable limit for
user name length is left to the gods of unix.

--
Jesse Rendleman (jesse@sgi.com)
Software Engineer, Silicon Graphics Inc.   <<< Don't touch my monkey! >>>
From: simon@lia.di.epfl.ch (Simon Leinen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: PostScript Printer Info...
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:35:32 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
In-reply-to: macleod@vissgi.cvrti.utah.edu's message of 20 Jan 93 21:26:00 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: b95ec3343a1cffbb4af0a4863d0ea36f

In article <35140@adm.brl.mil> macleod@vissgi.cvrti.utah.edu (Rob
MacLeod) writes:

   We have been really pleased with the HP IIIsi and can recommend it
   without reservation.  I don't know about direct connection to the
   SGIs but using the CAP/Appletalk route, we have excellent speed and
   stability.  And we were able to put the whole thing together with
   public domain software (lp2ps and CAP) and thus save a few dollars.

We have an HPIIISi connected to the parallel port of an Indigo and I can
also highly recommend this printer.  Especially the duplex option is a
big win.  The problem with parallel communication is that the connection
to the printer is so fast that you usually don't have a chance to cancel
a job once you've sent it.  There also doesn't seem to be a way to get
status messages back from the printer (other than printing them, of
course :-).  But it's really fast (and works even without any additional
software ;-).
-- 
Simon.
From: vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon Schryver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re: DMA transfers between machines
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:12:57 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In article <35223@adm.brl.mil>, beyer@bflsgu.fl.bs.dlr.de (Ralf Beyer DLR) writes:
> ...
> In fact, both machines are single user and not connected to
> any net. They are, however, connected via Ethernet controllers
> on both machines and the Ethernet cable. On the LSI-11 side
> we are controlling the Ethernet controller directly by
> accessing its registers and buffer and using its instruction
> set. We are looking now for an opportunity to do the same on
> the SGI machine. The 4D35 has controllers ec0 and ENP-10 (one
> of each). They need not be configured for TCP/IP or other
> protocols, they are available only for the low level protocol
> connection to the LSI-11.
> 
> Is there a handbook available for the ec0 and ENP-10
> controllers with information on registers, buffers and the
> instruction set ?


There simpler and more portable ways to solve this problem.
The following two solutions are serveral years old in Silicon
Graphics systems:

1. The solution most people pick at first, which I DO NOT recommend, is
    to write user code to send and receive raw ethernet packets.

    See `man raw` and `man 7 snoop`.

2. A much better solution is to "spoof UDP".  This consists of taking
    whatever packets you were going to send from the other LSI11,
    and inserting a 28-byte nearly constant block of IP and UDP headers
    between the 14-byte ethernet header and the payload.

    The IP and UDP headers are trivial, and only 2 16-bit fields change
    from packet to packet.  If you are willing to give up the
    UDP checksum, only 1 16-bit field needs to change from one UDP/IP
    packet to the next, and it is simply a packet sequence number.

(1) is slightly easier to implement on the LSI-11, but (2) is
much simpler on the IRIS.  By using a standard protocol like UDP/IP,
uour code will work on other brands of machines.  You can test
in many more environments, including internets involving routers.


Vernon Schryver,  vjs@sgi.com
From: mberger@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: 4D70TG's run slow on 4.0.1
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:32:49 GMT

I recently upgraded our two 4D70TG's to 4.0.1:

	machine: slow    - cpu: MIPS R2000A/R3000 16Meg
	machine: dogslow - cpu: MIPS R2000A/R3000 8Meg

Since updating, these machines run very slowly whenever any window operations
are performed.  The 16Meg machine runs at an almost tolerable pace, but the
other machine just crawls.

There doesn't seem to be any abnormal processes running, but gr_top on dogslow
shows alot of CPU activity with Xsgi, though Xsgi isn't growing too quickly. 
Is the problem that dogslow doesn't have enough memory for X?  If so, how can
I prove this to justify the purchase of more memory (if it's available)?

PS - installing 4.0.5 gives the same result

--Mike Bergeron mberger@relay.nswc.navy.mil
--EG&G (WASC) Dahlgren, VA. 22448
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: ktk@capybara.nas.nasa.gov (Katy T. Kislitzin)
Subject: SGI version of Tcpdump
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:10:15 GMT

Hello--

I got a version of tcpdump which worked for SGIs sometime in the past.
For various reasons, I have lost both my copy of the stuff and my
knowledge of the site where I got it from.  The lbl distribution does not
include SGI support.  

If anyone knows where I can get teh SGI version of tcpdump, preferably the 
current (2.0 or 2.1) version that supports FDDI and OSPF, could you please
send me a pointer.  It will be much appreciated.

Thanks,

--kt

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: cboesel@iat.holonet.net (Charles Boesel)
Subject: Wanted: GCC binaries for Indigo
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:12:33 GMT

Please send me the gcc compiler in binary form.
Attach to a mail message is fine.
Sorry, too busy to ramble...

Thanks,
charles boesel
cboesel@holonet.net
From: figuei@lutece.rutgers.edu (Francisco Figueirido)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: testing
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:31:22 GMT

just testing ...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: carsten@vega.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Carsten Trinitis)
Subject: XVIEW on IRIS
Keywords: xview
Reply-To: carsten@hsa.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Hochspannungstechnik, TU Munich
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:40:27 GMT


Hi,
has any of you guys tried to install/compile the xview widget set and 
clients on an INDIGO?
Compiling xview2 turns out to be pretty tricky and time consuming -
i haven't tried xview3 yet but the README file says that XR5
is required. Any experiences?
Thanx in advance
  Carsten
-- 
| Carsten Trinitis  (carsten@hsa.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de)  |
| Lehrstuhl fuer Hochspannungs- und Anlagentechnik,         |
| Technical University of Munich, Arcisstrasse 21,          |
| D-8000 Muenchen 2,                 WEST Germany           |
From: ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU (Laurence James Edwards)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: SGI's new Supercomputer
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:31:45 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

Anybody have any more details on the supercomputer series announced by SGI?

In the paper it says they use TFP RISC processors ... are these R4000s or
are these a new variant? What kind of graphics comes standard?

Larry Edwards
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: teo@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Patrick ChengSan Teo)
Subject: Color table animation in real time on the sgi
Reply-To: teo@cs.Stanford.EDU, heeger@white.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: comp.sys.sgi
Date: 22 Jan 93 17:39:39


Hi everyone,

Does anyone know if we can do color table animation in real time on
the sgi.  It is important that the color tables be switched in real
time, without missing a frame.  Hence, we might need to ensure that
our program executes without being preempted by the process scheduler.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Patrick

--
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Patrick Cheng-San Teo                                       teo@cs.stanford.edu
Department of Computer Science                      
Stanford University                                  Home Phone: (415) 424-0330

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler"
-- Albert Einstein
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch (Rainer Sinkwitz)
Subject: Re: XVIEW on IRIS
Keywords: xview
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 12:06:03 GMT


In article <C1F4zG.B85@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de>, carsten@vega.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Carsten Trinitis) writes:
> 
> Hi,
> has any of you guys tried to install/compile the xview widget set and 
> clients on an INDIGO?
> [...]

Available at:

  USA
    export.lcs.mit.edu:  [18.24.0.12]
      /contrib/xview3/xview3_sgi_unofficial.patch.tar.Z
     PATCH
      
    wuarchive.wustl.edu:  [128.252.135.4]
      /graphics/graphics/sgi-stuff/XView/xview3/xview3-sgi-patch.tar.Z
     PATCH, BINARIES
      
   swedishchef.lerc.nasa.gov:  [139.88.54.33]
     /libraries/XView3
      PATCH, BINARIES
     
  
  EUROPE
    claude.ifi.unizh.ch:  [130.60.48.8]
      /pub/xview3-sgi-patch.tar.Z
     PATCH, BINARIES
      
    ftp.cs.ruu.nl  [131.211.80.17]
      /pub/SGI/xview3-sgi-patch.tar.Z
     PATCH

  AUSTRALIA
   archive.latrobe.edu.au:  [131.172.2.2]
     /pub/sgi/xview3
     BINARIES
     


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From: eonu24@castle.ed.ac.uk (I Reid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: SGI FILE FORMAT (please post)
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:58:30 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Malcolm Bersohn asked:
  >    Does anyone know where I can find a detailed description of the
  >file format of the SGI image files?

All the replies so far referred to the Demo code directory which, unfortunately
we no longer have (it's a long story). I want to take sgi rgb files (the output
images from a volume renderer), take them home and view/manipulate them on my
pc so....

Could some kind soul please post details of the format (assuming it's not
covered by some horrendous copyright).

Many thanks,

Iain
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From: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Re: Weather maps ftp'able
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:39:49 GMT
Reply-To: silvert@biome.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert)
Distribution: na
Organization: Habitat Ecology Div., Bedford Inst. Oceanography

In <1993Jan26.140423.21633@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> bobp@msi.com (Bob Pitha) writes:

>  When I downloaded xv from export.lcs.mit.edu, it came along with a 
>little shell script that automatically downloads weather maps from
>vmd.cso.uiuc.edu.  Xv can also then display the map as a background.
>These maps are posted hourly, so you can put the script in your crontab
>to update the background continuously.  I've done this with my Indigo
>and become the envy of...  well, people with nothing else to be envious
>of.  :)

What a waste of bandwidth!  I download the files when I want to see them, 
usually a couple of times a week.  Downloading a large file hourly just
to show off is wasteful of bandwidth and places a totally unnecessary
strain on the server.  I hope that no one follows your example.
-- 
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P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.dfo.ca
From: beyer@bflsgu.fl.bs.dlr.de (Ralf Beyer DLR)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
Subject: Re:  Setting up lpd on Iris Indigo
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:24:49 GMT

Hi,

I am sending my revised file. Note the syntax of the printcap file
(the first ":" in a line seems to be important).

Regards

Ralf Beyer

HP Laserjet IIISi on Indigo/Entry running 4.0.1 configured as ATT and BSD
printer. The HP Laserjet is in PostScript mode.

Printer lp4 is defined as sample printer.

ATT: To configure lp4 as ATT printer follow the instructions in the IRIX
     documentation. You should be able to print ASCII and PostScript files
     by

	    lp -dlp4 < file.ascii
	    lp -dlp4 < file.ps

BSD: To configure lp4 as BSD printer proceed as follows:

	    su
	    cd /usr/spool/lpd
	    mkdir lp4
	    chmod go+w lp4
	    chown lp lp4

    Copy the printcap file into /etc/printcap

    -r--r--r--   1 root     sys         1317 Aug  3 09:23 printcap

    In /dev make a symbolic link from lp4 to /dev/plp

    l---------   1 root     sys            8 Jan 29  1992 lp4 -> /dev/plp

    You should be able to print PostScript files by

	    lpr -Plp4 file.ps



#
# /etc/printcap
#
# Author: R. Beyer, German Aerospace Research Establishment (DLR)
#	  beyer@bflsgu.bs.fl.dlr.de
#
# Host: Indigo running IRIX 4.0.5A
#
# Revision: 21-Jan-1993
#
# lp	- symbolic link to /dev/plp
# sd	- spooling directory
# mc#0	- unlimited number of copies allowed per job
# sf	- suppress form feeds
# sh	- suppress printing of burst page header
# lf	- log file

# This is an entry for a local HP Laserjet IIISi printer
# connected to the parallel port of the Indigo and configured
# as PostScript printer. 
#
# Only PostScript files can be printed.
#
# Command: lpr -Plp4 file.ps
#
# /dev/lp4 is a symbolic link to /dev/plp
#
# The directory /usr/spool/lpd/lp4 must be readable/writable by
# everyone (for beginners)

lp|lp4|HP Laserjet IIISi:\
	:lp=/dev/lp4:\
	:sd=/usr/spool/lpd/lp4:\
	:if=/usr/lib/lpf:\
	:mc#0:\
	:sf:\
	:sh:\
	:lf=/usr/spool/lpd/lp4/lp4-log:

# This is an entry for a remote LaserWriter II connected to a SUN
# SPARCstation 1 running OS 4.1.1.
#
# Both ASCII and PostScript files can be printed.
#
# Command: lpr -Plp6 file file.ps
#
# The directory /usr/spool/lpd/lp6 must be readable/writable by
#	everyone (for beginners)

lp6|sun|SUN LaserWriter II:\
	:lp=:rm=bflbf1.fl.bs.dlr.de:sd=/usr/spool/lpd/lp6:\
	:lf=/usr/spool/lpd/lp6/lp6-log

# Bugs:
#
# There are no entries in the logfiles ~/lp4-log, ~/lp6-log.

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Ralf Beyer
German Aerospace Research Establishment (DLR), Institute for Flight
Guidance, Flughafen, D-3300 Braunschweig, Fed. Rep. of Germany
Internet: beyer@bflsgu.fl.bs.dlr.de (EARN/BITNET: fl17@dlrvmbs.bitnet) 
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From: lim@cs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi,comp.graphics,comp.graphics.animation
Subject: Looking for 3D animation package
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:01:15 GMT
Reply-To: lim@cs.umass.edu ()
Followup-To: comp.sys.sgi
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

Hello all,

I'm looking to spend between $5000 to $7000 for an animation package and I'd
appreciate it if anyone could recommend a few to me. My group does research in
computer vision and we'd like to be able to animate 3D geometry (of buildings,
etc.). So far, I've evaluated Wavefront's Personal Visualizer and I'm generally
comfortable with it although I wish it had better and easier to use motion
tools. Our platform is a SGI 4D/340GTX and we use AutoCAD for modelling. The
package I'm looking for should make it easy for me to specify motion paths
(splines, etc.), link together sequences to make complex motions, and
preferrably does texture-mapping. I've heard of the following but do not have
their address or e-mail: Prisms, SoftImage, Alias, Thompson Digital Imaging,
and AVS. I'd appreciated if anyone out there who are using the above could give
me a brief description of their capabilities and some means to contact their
sales people. Thanks!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
             Jonathan Lim          Computer Vision Research Group
           lim@cs.umass.edu    University of Massachusetts at Amherst
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi
From: hoesel@igc.ethz.ch (Frans van Hoesel)
Subject: how to make shadows like in 'ideas in motion'
Organization: University of Groningen, the Netherlands
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:01:42 GMT

Hi netters,

the question is simple: how to make shadows like in 'ideas in motion'?

Can I do this on an entry level indigo with a few calls, or is the
shadow some nasty trick that makes it only look like a shadow.

Can I do this with the explorer render module?

please reply be email, because for some reason the amount of messages that
reaches me via News has suddenly dropped to only a few a day ( I can read
postings containing answers to questions that never appeared on my
news-reader).

-- frans

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