From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Proof: God wrote the Bible
Summary: sigh!
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:01:10 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Oct7.165840.14358@tc.fluke.COM>, nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng) writes:
> In article <Oct.3.08.59.49.1992.12521@ruhets.rutgers.edu> farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct2.191132.13237@tc.fluke.COM>, nordenga@tc.fluke.COM (Arnold E. Nordeng) writes:
> >> If you want to claim the bible is untrustworthy in its facts or details, 
> >> then how can you as a "christian" support the resurrection as a fact or 
> >> detail, the cornerstone of our faith?  The common theme of all non-Christian
> >> religions is to first doubt the bible as the inerrant word of God--something
> >> that Jesus Christ did not do.
> >> Just look at JW's, Mormons, Islam, Newage, Christian Science, Moonies & the
> >> Unitarians, Bahai's etc etc etc......  
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -Arnold Nordeng
> >>  nordenga@tc.fluke.COM
> >
> >Now wait just a over-zealous minute. Number one, many "non-Christian"
> >religions did just fine and dandy for millenia without having a
> >Christian bible to refute.  For example: Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism,
> >etc. 
> 
> If Hindusim and Buddhism are doing today as they have always done, they
> are not doing "just fine".  In India, people are starving as a result
> of rats eating roughly 1/3 of their crops they produce.  Due to hinduism
> they refuse to control the rat population on the account that it may be
> a grandpa working of his karma.  Traditionally the caste system has
> been used to keep the rich and wealthy in power generation after
> generation and the poor in deep poverty.....all due to a superstitious 
> belief of karma and reincarnation.
> 
> Buddhism:  People in asia are starving, and people don't care...another
> result in the belief that it is due to you.  Christians are the only
> ones caring for other people because of true love for people as people,
> and not a silly superstitious belief in reincarnation or sins of a past
> lifetime.
> 
Number one, I was referring to the fact that these religions predated
Christianity by quite a long time, sothey certainly are not based on
refuting any Christian text.
Number two, in Hindu and Buddhist belief, no creature is any more or
any less important than a human is.  Killing any living creature has
negative consequences.  The caste system is in part a result of a
particular class of people coopting and redefining the tenets of a
religion. Not too different from what has gone on in Christianity
through the ages.
Number three, if Christians love the way you say, then I haven't met a
single Christian. If you think Buddhists don't care, you obviously
haven't bothered to open your eyes and see beyond your own bigoted
idea of things.
Number four (flame on 8-])
You want to talk about silly superstitions. Man was created four
thousand years ago? He was created imperfect, and then punished for
being imperfect?  He was cast out of paradise for acquiring knowledge?
When you die, all you have to do is say "Oh, pretty pretty please
forgive me, You who are so tremendously big, I am just an
insignificant worm, please don't toss me on the barby!!" And poof, all
is better.  But those poor schmucks who are not such toadies roast for
eternity. Our souls have a beginning, but no end?  Don't tell me about
silly superstitions.  
In the eastern theory of karma, you reap as you sow, you always have
to pay back for anything negative you do, you always get the rewards
for the good you do. Justice is inevitable.  Also inevitable is that
ALL creatures will one day have moved beyond this plane into union
with the divine.
Last point: You will probably never be aware of this yourself, or
acknowledge it (that's a flame for you! :-) but proselytizing is an
act of violence.  To force your OPINION down someone else's throat
totally uninvited is an act of VIOLENCE.  An act of violence done in a
good (sic) cause is still an act of violence.  Some somewhat more
enlightened soul said that you can tell a Christian by the way that
they act.  In this day and age, that is certainly very true about
fundies. 
And just something for you to think about: it is a fundamental law of
the universe that you become that which you most hate.
			cheers,
				Lorenzo
-- 
"the Hell Law states that hell is reserved  
for those that believe in it, with the          Lorenzo Farris
lowest rung of hell being reserved for          farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu
those that believe in it on the supposition 
that they will go there if they don't"      
        -Principia Discordia                
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