From: norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)
Subject: Re: More questions...
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:40:50 GMT

>In article <1992Dec17.222850.24206@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> muskudar@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Michael Uskudarli) writes:
>
>>      Hello again,
>>Anyway, my next question is about freemasonry. I can almost hear some of
>>you say "here we go!"
>
>      "Here we go!" :-)
>
>      First off, soc.culture.jewish is probably not the best place for
>this topic, but there is no really appropriate newsgroup for
>discussing Freemasonry. The best place I know of is the Masonic Digest
>mailing list (which I run).
>
>>                         A magazine published in Istanbul (later was made
>>a book) claimed that freemasonry is a tool used by Israel to eventually
>>dominate the world.
>
>     Can you give me a reference for this book? Is it in English? (I
>collect anti-Masonic material). This argument is basically that of
>"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", a notorious anti-Semitic and
>anti-Masonic forgery from the turn of the century. Other scj readers
>have posted extensive descriptions of it's origin (it was distantly
>based on a novel), and internal inconsistancies.
>
>>                  Proof is that despite being in separate countries many
>>leaders are or were once masons such as
>
>> 1)Washington 2) Lenin 3) Goethe 4) Ataturk (founder of turkey)
>>5) Founder of czechoslovakia.    etc.....
>
>     ... and many more. However, Lenin was definitely NOT a Mason (he
>banned Masonry in Soviet Russia). Ataturk I've heard claimed before,
>but not from a reliable source. Coil's Masonic Encyclopaedia article
>on Turkey does not mention him. Who was the "founder of
>Czechoslovakia"?
>
>     Masonry teaches toleration, friendship, morality, and brotherly
>love. If national leaders are attracted to that, I am well pleased.
>
>>Word has it that the ceremonial rituals are all jewish customs i.e. eating
>>salt and bread, having two columns representing Jakin and boaz
>>having the seven armed candle holder etc....
>
>     Hmm... there are some things that are said to be derived from
>ancient Hebrew custom, but that's more to do with our allegorical use
>of Solomon's Temple than anything to do with the Jewish faith.
>
>>Finally, they also claim that there are 33 steps to the top of the
>>hierarchy and when you reach # 18 you automatically become a jew-like
>>person only to be used further.
>
>     You are repeating a common error here - assuming that there is a
>simple sequence of 33 degrees. Regular Craft Masonry has only three.
>There is a separate organization, the "Scottish Rite",open only to
>third degree Masons, which confers degrees it numbers from 4 to 33.
>The 18th is "Knight Rose Croix" ("Knight of the Rosy Cross") which
>does not sound very Jewish. (I have not yet entered the Scottish
>Rite).
>
>     I would be happy to continue discussion on this topic, but in
>email, rather than in scj. I run the Masonic Digest mailing list
>(which is open to everyone), and can add you to the list if you
>desire.
>
>    BTW, there is an active Grand Lodge in Turkey, with about 7400
>Masons.
>
>					Peter Trei
>					Master, Wilder Lodge,
>					Ancient Free and Accepted Masons
>					Leominster, MA
>
>					ptrei@mitre.org	
><add std. disclaimer>
Peter,
I am Past Master, Centre Lodge #108 AF & AM, Baltimore, Md.  If this is an
email list that you run, 
Subscribe  Norman Friedman
Thanks and keep up the good labor 
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