From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: It's time to clean up the hierachy, i.e. RFD on mass rmgrping
Followup-To: news.groups
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:36:31 GMT

In article <cline.713473502@acacia.cs.scarolina.edu> cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline) writes:
:Proposal:
:Any group which has beem silent for 6 months shall be summarily removed.
:Any moderated group which has been silent for 2 months can proceed
:immediately to a CFM (discussed below).

How about silent without explanation?  If a group is intended to be an
'for emergencies only' type group, then it should not be necessary to fake
emergencies just to keep the group around.

:
:Proposal:
:A call for removal (CFR) may be issued for any group either 6 months after
:its creation or 6 months after the last attempt at a CFR, whichever is later
:
:A CFR shall be like a CFV except that it shall a two-thirds majority to
:remove the group, but there shall be no minimum number of votes. (I.e. a
:vote of 2-1 removes the group, 201-101 fails to remove the group.) In all
:other respects a CFR shall be conducted in the same manner as a CFV.
:
How about requiring a formal discussion period for the issues to be defined
before the call for vote.  Also, how about requiring that the issues
be stated in the CFR and that voting be based on agreement or disagreement
with said issues (as opposed to voting for removal just because you never
liked the idea of the group, didn't like the name of the group, didn't
like the moderator, etc.)  Yeah, that is impossible to enforce - so what's
new ;-)?  Also, how do we handle the case where someone falsifies one or more of
the reasons listed?

:Proposal:
:A call for moderator (CFM) may be issued for any group either 6 months after
:its creation or 6 months after the last CFM whichever is later or
:immediately if the current moderator is unwilling to continue, or if 2
:months have passed since the last article. A CFM is like a CFV or CFR in
:that it involves voting. Since the question of a moderator is not as
:serious, a simple majority shall be required if the moderator is stepping
:down, three-fifths if the moderator is being forced from office. The
:current moderator will be presumed to be stepping down unless he votes
:against the proposed change. A minimum of 100 votes for the new moderator
:must be cast for the change to occur.

What is being voted on here - a change of moderator?  A change of a group's
status from moderated to unmoderated or vice versa?  A confidence vote?
I am confused as the purpose intended.

Assuming that it is a call for a new moderator, then a requirement for a
period of discussion as to the reasons should be made, the final reasons
should be listed in the CFM, and a procedure for addressing falsely 
stating the reasons should be in place.  Issues that are questionable
(person a states that moderator refuses all of his postings, moderator
states he only rejects unacceptable postings), should be listed as such.

What are the ramifications to be if a moderator steps down but the new
moderator does not get a simple majority - does the group automatically
get deleted?  What if there are not 100 votes cast?
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