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From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:50:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.183031.21313@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
> >> 
> >> ARAB MILITARY ACQUISITIONS (RAW MILITARY HARDWARE) FROM 1973-1988:
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> 	$154 BILLION
> >
> >That's about $1 billion per country per year. Please compare with Israel
> >which receives over $2 billion annually in military aid from the U.S.
> 
> You are comparing apples to oranges.  The Arabs *BUY* that much new
> hardware.  You're comapring that to a number for aid for Israels
> overall military budgets, including troops, uniforms, etc that kind of
> stuff.  
>
> Further your facts are wrong, after loan repayments are made, the U.S.
> only actually gives Israel 0.3 Billion per year.

My facts are only wrong in that the $2 billion does not cover the many
examples of grants and arms deals above and beyond the traditional $2
billion. BTW, where did I say "gives"? Please note that for the US
taxpayer, Israeli aid represents a transfer of money to Israel so that
some of it can come back to buy US military materiel. Arms sales, on the
other hand, represent net profits for US manufacturers.

> >p.s. It is still a big waste of money. I would rather that my country
> >did its part and stopped fueling these military machines.
> 
> It's not a big waste of money:  $1.25 per year you personally spend.
> What a cheap bastard.
> 
> carasso.

Cheap Bastard!!? Why the $(@& should I pay for some other country to
kill people?
Israelis have a much greater standard of living than all of their
neighbors; why should even one cent of my tax dollars go to the Israeli
military? Furthermore, I don't want my country to be profiteering off of
other countries' desire to kill people; the arms sales should stop.

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: 902030b@dragon.acadiau.ca (Salah Bakouri)
Subject: testing
Summary: salam for those who follow the guidance of ALLAH and hi to others.
Keywords: besmellah
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:09:26 GMT

this a test !
From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: "From Beirut to Jerusalem"
Date: 7 Jan 93 06:14:55 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

Thomas Friedman writes this in his book, FROM BEIRUT TO JERUSALEM:

"I am convinced that one day Yasir Arafat is going to stand up and sing
'Hatikva,' the Israeli national anthem, in perfect Hebrew.  When he does, some
Israelis are going to shake their heads and say, 'Geez, we'd love to talk to
you, but you sang our national anthem in the wrong key.  Come back when you
can sing it right." (p. 408)
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From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:43:35 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host

eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>
>The Arabs do not outnumber the Israelis by an order of magnitude
>militarily in any respect that is important, else they couldn't have
>lost any of the wars. 

ARAB MILITARY ACQUISITIONS (RAW MILITARY HARDWARE) FROM 1973-1988:

	$154 BILLION

	(syria 22B, iraq 48b+, jordan 5.4b, kuwait 4b, libya 25b,
	saudi arabic 34b, morocco 2.4b, oman 1.3b, uae 3.5b, egypt 10.8b)

IF YOU THINK ISRAEL CAN KEEP UP WITH THAT YOU ARE CRAZY.

ISRAEL SURVIVES FOR TWO REASONS:

	1. IT'S TROOPS ARE BETTER TRAINED AND SMARTER.
	2. DEFENSIVE WARS ARE EASIER TO FIGHT.*



carasso.

*yes all its wars were pre-emptive defensive strikes except 1973.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: an5115@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: What is HAMAS
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:47:52 GMT

In article <2499@itexjct.jct.ac.il> you write:
>malek@pi.titech.ac.jp (Zidouri Abdelmalek 03/95) writes:
> I leave in the so called 'occupied teritories'. I guess you call pease to the
>situation which every one MUST carry a gun to protect his life in the roads.
                 ^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>     Joel
>
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attitued of our neighbours from Kiryat Arba:

When Joel says "every one" - he means Jews.  
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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:11:46 EST
From: Rita Homsieh <RHOMSIE@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
 <1993Jan4.123546.6257@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
 <EGGERTJ.93Jan4111603@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> <4624@bimacs.BITNET>


Dear Jim and Gideon,
I cannot believe I am reading this on such a cultural program.  I think that
such a comment is very racist, and very very far from being a human being.  You
have to recognize that not all AArabs like the Israeli government and the Israe
li army because of the violence that is been used.  And the real enemy is not
PLO or Hamas.  It is yourselves.  I have never seen in my life people like you.
I advise you to clean yourselves from the blind hatred and wake up to live in a
world society, and take the responsibility to make it better. The Arab-Israeli
conflict is as old as the creation of nation-state system in Europe.  And with
people like you, I am sure we will never have peace.
The Arabs now are paying for a fault commited by the European states centuries
ago.  I advise you to read your history books with an open mind (which will be
very hard for people like you) and try to learn that Arab and Jews were both
given the same promises by the West.  However, the Jews financial power in the
West got the upper hand.  Congratulation, you want Palestine, take it; because
we are used to the Jewish story "We are the victims" and let's see what are you
going to do ;-)
Shalom
Rita
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:52:44 GMT

In article <1ib014INNlsu@shelley.u.washington.edu> kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante) writes:

# In article 13440, makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
# writes:
 
# >    Oh come on.  You know damn well that considering the
# >circumstances
# >this could be considered non violent.  Your nit picking is a
# >waste of
# >time.
 
# "Oh come on" yourself.

	When you give me a reason to I will consider it.  You have not
done so here.

# The deportation was done in a violent
# manner, and you can't change that by trying to change the
# definition of "violent" or by saying that violence is relative to
# the circumstances.

	The deportation was not done in a violent manner (How many were
killed or wounded?).  You can't change that by trying to change the
definition of "violent" or by saying that violence is relative to the
circumstances.

# Violence and brutality are violence and
# brutality no matter what you call them.

	Agreed.  However, here all we have were non violent steps taken to
protect against violence.

# You can't change reality by changing its name.  Facts don't go
# away just because you choose not to see them.

	Well, since you believe that (as I do) why did you post your
article which is a contradiction of that?
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
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From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 07:17:45 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 13480, makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
rails:
 
>    What you see is not at all what is happening.  For one
>thing, that
>"military power that has occupied their territory" was forced
>there
>as a result of a war the Arabs started against Israel and they
>cannot
>leave until Israel's security is iron clad.  The more violence
>committed by the "palestinians?", the less Israel will feel safe
>enough to withdraw.

Wrong again.  That was no war, that was an act of self-defense
against an armed aggressor.

Israel will never feel safe; irrational fear and delusions of
persecution will effectively prevent that.

"Forced," eh?  Cut that victim crap.  Every one of us is
responsible for our own actions.  You're never "forced" to take
over someone else's home.

I think the world will be a lot safer when we Americans stop
throwing our money away on israel.

Just my opinion :)
From: rteasdal@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Rusty)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: An Arabic language question
Date: 8 Jan 93 06:36:54 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, CSc Department


	Here's a question which I hope some of the Arabic-speakers
in this newsgroup might be able to help with:

	I was having a discussion with a friend the other day,
talking about someone we know. I was trying to describe his character
and personality, and was searching for appropriate words with which to
do that.

	As I was thinking, I very vaguely recalled having seen an 
Arabic word in print quite a long time ago, along with a rough translation. 
It was one which very neatly and elegantly captured what I was trying
and failing to say in English. However, I don't want to throw the word
around lightly without being sure that the usage is correct, so I
thought that I would check it here.

	I'm not sure about how to adequately spell the word, but since
there's not any real way to directly transliterate between the Arabic
and English alphabets, I'll render it phonetically.

	The word, as best I remember, was "taqiyeh"?

	What I thought it meant was the behavior of a man who shows
one face to the world, while privately thinking and behaving quite
differently. I suppose the closest single English equivalent would
be "hypocritical behavior", but I'm not sure that's an adequate or
complete translation.

	Can someone expand on this topic and provide me with some
details? I certainly would not want to use the word in an incorrect
manner out of ignorance.




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From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Al-Baqarah #143
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:23:29 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host

a.Faris@trl.oz.au  writes:
>
>Some one has posted a similar analysis on the Jewish and Christian books
>and found that all verses are a multiple of seven. If this is used as proof
>that it is the word of God, then Islam cannot continiously claim that the
>Jewish and Christian books have been modified.

The Torah has not been modified in over 3500 years.  There is external
proof of this in a greek translation of the Torah that is 3500.  

Further, a study was done by gathering Torahs from all reaches of the
Jewish world, some living in great isolation such as the persian and
yemen and ethiopian jews.  Of the Thousands of Torahs examined in the
study, there were only 7 changes!  And those 7 changes were the
spelling differences equivalent to the difference between "color" and
"colour".  

The same study also concluded differences in the New Testements around
today bring into question the meaning of up to 20 percent of the New
Testements meaning.


carasso
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Deportaion Consequences
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:41:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



New York Times reports:

Jersalem, Jan 3.  An agent of the Shin Bet security service was stabbed
and bludgeoned to death today, apparently by Hamas, in a rare attack on
a member of Israel's secretive internal intelligence agency.

The body of Haim Nahmani was found in the stairwell of an apartment in
a jewish neighborhood in West Jersalem.  A police statement said Mr. Nahmani
had been "on an active duty" when an assistant known to the security forces
stabbed him repeatedly and battered him with a hammer. 

In street battles today in the Gaza Strip town of Rafah, israeli troops shot
and killed 18-year-old Yasser al-Sufi and reportedly wounded nine other people
after the troops' jeep was pleted by a barrage of stones and overturned.  The
violence erupted after the army lifted a four-day curfew in the Gaza Strip.
Mr. Sufi was the 13th Palestinian shot and killed by soldiers in clashes
since 418 Palestinians accused of being Islamic militants were deported to 
southern Lebanon on Dec. 17.

The Israeli human rights group Btselem said 23 Palestinans were killed by
soldiers in December, the highest monthly toll in over two years.

In Gaza, the army reported that Arab assailants shot and killed 22-year-old
arab, apparently because they suspected that he had coperated with the 
Israeli authorities.  

At a building site in Holon, near Tel Aviv, attackers slashed the throat
of a Jewish man, seriously wounding him.  The police said they were 
searching for Arab laborer from the West Bank who had fled the scene.

A pipe bomb exploded in the baggage hold of an Israeli bus outsid Tel
Aviv today, the Associated Press reported.  The police said no one had been
injured on the bus, which was taking at least 40 people to Jerusalem from
Haifa.
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From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:02:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1iqgupINNev1
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 13560, makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
writes:

>Gee, Faris, I wish I could get my history out of a Cracker Jack
>box also.

Gee, David, I wish you could get your head out of your ass.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:21:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.074125.2746@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes:

# In article <1993Jan5.033013.3849@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# >	Wrong.  It sends the message that it will use stronger methods to
# >protect Israeli lives.  Unfortunately, since so few were deported, it
# >also sends the message that it is somewhat tentative in taking bold
# >but necessary actions.
 
# and writes:
 
# >	Call it what you want, but the first priority of any government is
# >to protect the state.  COnsiderations of an enemies possible rights to
# >due process can only come afterwards.

# I would like to point out that this is the *standard* way dictatorships
# justify their actions: They call their opposition 'enemies of the state'
# and then spew those last three lines you have up there, and everything
# is fine from then on.  The end justifies the means.  If these are the
# standards you want to hold Israel up to, I guess that's fine by me.

	These people are enemies of Israel BY THEIR OWN DECLARATIONS, and
have joined in an organization whose only purpose is to kill Jews.  It
has nothing to do with someone else calling them enemies of the state.

	As to the end justifies the means, I do not believe that.  I
believe that some ends can (not that they always do, but they
sometimes can) justify some means.

	Also, you are an idiot if you believe that two states, acting
similarly under different circumstances are the same.  Your equating
Israel with dictatorships does exactly this.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
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From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 03:41:24 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 13440, makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
writes:

>    Oh come on.  You know damn well that considering the
>circumstances
>this could be considered non violent.  Your nit picking is a
>waste of
>time.

"Oh come on" yourself.  The deportation was done in a violent
manner, and you can't change that by trying to change the
definition of "violent" or by saying that violence is relative to
the circumstances.  Violence and brutality are violence and
brutality no matter what you call them.

You can't change reality by changing its name.  Facts don't go
away just because you choose not to see them.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.bizarre
From: pfinerty@nyx.cs.du.edu (fun fun fun boy)
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 06:32:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.045137.16371@mcs.kent.edu> rayes@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes) writes:
>In article <C0Aqz7.K5M@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>>well my father has one (and only one) thing to say about butros ghali. HARAM
>>ZADAH!
>>
>
>Therefore, I want to add my own comment about this 'baheem':  YA MASAKH!
>
>Sandra.

i have no joke here, i just like saying YA MASAKH!

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From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Deportaion Consequences
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:42:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


On Jan 3 in the afternoon, Rabin has said that deporting the 418 palestinians
resulted in less violence all over israel.  Is this guy living in a dream or
not?

Look how calm israel has become since the deportation took place:
  
>Jersalem, Jan 3.  An agent of the Shin Bet security service was stabbed
>and bludgeoned to death today, apparently by Hamas, in a rare attack on
>a member of Israel's secretive internal intelligence agency.

few weeks back there were these two articles:

subject: Salah El-Deen Men are still Around
subject: Do you think Shin Bet is sitting Around dirinking coffee (was Salah El-

Actually, they are being killed by Salah El-Deen Men

>The body of Haim Nahmani was found in the stairwell of an apartment in
>a jewish neighborhood in West Jersalem.  A police statement said Mr. Nahmani
>had been "on an active duty" when an assistant known to the security forces
>stabbed him repeatedly and battered him with a hammer. 

West Jersalem and a jewish neighborhood..  lovely

>In street battles today in the Gaza Strip town of Rafah, israeli troops shot
>and killed 18-year-old Yasser al-Sufi and reportedly wounded nine other people
>after the troops' jeep was pleted by a barrage of stones and overturned.  The
>violence erupted after the army lifted a four-day curfew in the Gaza Strip.
>Mr. Sufi was the 13th Palestinian shot and killed by soldiers in clashes
>since 418 Palestinians accused of being Islamic militants were deported to 
>southern Lebanon on Dec. 17.

overturned.  I don't believe this one.

>The Israeli human rights group Btselem said 23 Palestinans were killed by
>soldiers in December, the highest monthly toll in over two years.

sure... the calm and quiet have significantly decreased as a 
result of the deportations.

>In Gaza, the army reported that Arab assailants shot and killed 22-year-old
>arab, apparently because they suspected that he had coperated with the 
>Israeli authorities.  

all collaborators must go.  clean the mess...

>At a building site in Holon, near Tel Aviv, attackers slashed the throat
>of a Jewish man, seriously wounding him.  The police said they were 
>searching for Arab laborer from the West Bank who had fled the scene.

this one was not heard about..  knives again, oh no...

>A pipe bomb exploded in the baggage hold of an Israeli bus outsid Tel
>Aviv today, the Associated Press reported.  The police said no one had been
>injured on the bus, which was taking at least 40 people to Jerusalem from
>Haifa.

in Tel Aviv, unbelievable...
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From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "Palestinians" COME FROM?
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:09:21 GMT
	<EGGERTJ.93Jan4111603@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> <4624@bimacs.BITNET>
	<93005.161146RHOMSIE@auvm.american.edu> <240@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP>
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

In article <240@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP> ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon) writes:
>   I didn't know that any Arabs liked Israel. This is new to me, please explain.

This only shows your ignorance.  There are many Israeli Arabs who like
their homeland very much, thank you.  Arabs have fought and died for
the preservation of Israel.  They have served in its government, in
the Knesset, in Israeli television, and in most walks of Israeli life.

>   ...
>   I suggest you do the same. Apparently you've been asleep all your life, just
>   woke up and have not had time to wash your eyes! To paraphrase Shamir:
>   "Arabs suck Jewish hatred from their mothers' breasts". He said something 
>   similar about the poles and antisemitism.

Shamir is a racist and a terrorist.  Enough said about him.
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