HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: johnj@echo.philips.nl (John Janssen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is there an auto prg to merge midi out with a thru?
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:52:47 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, E.C.H.O. development department

despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson) writes:
>In your tiny "user's guide" there is a pinout for the Midi out/thru port.
>The standard three pins (1, 3, 5) are signal & shield and (2,4) are thru.
>Use pin 3 for the shield, there is no harm since the devices are allegedly
>isolated.  By the way, unshielded works fine for me over short distances.

Sorry, but I think you made a mistake!


The MIDI outport has its MIDI-OUT signals on the normal pins (for MIDI),
thus 2,4,5 (2 is GND), leaving 1 and 3 for THRU.

john
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Work: +31 40 756425 
Home: +31 77 513177  Atari Mega STE, PC 386 SX, MIDI, C
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Wolfgang Ley)
Subject: Re: Mainframe transfers
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU CLAUSTHAL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:14:55 GMT

In article <26SEP92.23201498@meena.cc.uregina.ca>
selbyr@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
 
>Are there any half decent easy to use transfer protocals available
>to make transfering files between a mainframe like an IBM 4381-12 and
>an ST faster than kermit - I mean software for the mainframe. For
>a VAX 8600? I'm thinking perhaps a version of zmodem, or even just
>xmodem.
 
I use FTP to download software from a mainframe.
If you want to download directly to the atari this protocol is NOT faster
than kermit (I use the KA9Q TCP/IP on Atari). If you have access to other
PCs etc. directly connected (via ethernet) to the internet this is the
best way. (about 40Kb/sec)...
 
Bye,
  Wolfgang.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara)
Subject: Which programming language?
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:45:59 GMT

Hello, I am thinking about learning to program my ST.
At the moment, I haven't a clue how.
So, my questions are... 

Which language is easiest to learn?

Are these machine/processor (?) specific?

BTW I am not trying to start a flame war about which is best :-)

Please E-mail any help! (I will post a summary if anyone wants me to)

Thanks,
Phil
(E-mail naffara@uk.ac.crc)

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suggestion sir,with only two drawbacks: one,we don't have any defensive shields
and two,we don't have any defensive shields.I know that,technically,that's only
one drawback,but it was such a big one I thought I'd mention it twice".
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hesche@cs.tu-berlin.de (Herwig Schelauske)
Subject: Re: STaladin 1.50 ...
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
	<1amb3iINNduv@golem.wcc.govt.nz> <wmtwen.718367242@rw8.urc.tue.nl>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:42:16 GMT

In article <wmtwen.718367242@rw8.urc.tue.nl> wmtwen@rw8.urc.tue.nl (Erlend Nagel) writes:

 > >Well its like running UUCP but only for GEnie, its a mail reader plus other
 > >things..
 > >There is no need to post it on A.A. as its no good to Internet people
 > >at all...
 > Huh??? Last time I checked Aladin was a Mac emulator. Yes, also
 > available (through the improper channels) as a pure software version. 
 > Why do people pick the obvious names for their programs. Now everybody
 > is confused :)

there is a diffent in spelling:
Aladdin    (GEnie tool)
Aladin     (MAC emulator)

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Please send flames to dev/null
From: etlgtme@etlxd20.ericsson.se (Grant McFarlane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Case Design for Falcon
Keywords: Falcon
Date: 6 Oct 92 09:49:46 GMT
Reply-To: etlgtme@etlxd20.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Burgess Hill, England

(Prices in UK pounds)

      1.44 Floppy | + 65Mb HD
                     ^^^^^----------- oops, that should be 64Mb.
     ------------------------
1Mb      499      |   899
2Mb      529      |   929
4Mb      579      |   979
8Mb      779      |  1179
16Mb     979      |  1379

Grant.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: TeXDraw - new developer sought
Keywords: tex, graphics, modula
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 14:11:14 GMT

In article <annius.717681717@freyr> annius@sif.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink) writes:
>lynbech@daimi.aau.dk (Christian Lynbech) writes:
>
>I don't REALLY believe this. The way Jens tried it by asking for
>someONE on the news was a good idea. I don't have the time, but
>I'd love to work on TeXdraw if I had the time (first thing: convert
>the sources to C).

And just to spice up the debate; there is at least one Modula2->C
translator.  Use archie to search for p2c; it supports several
versions of Pascal, and considers Modula2 to be one such.  I'm hoping
it's capable of being compiled on an ST without TOO much work.

Modula2 probably has a number of advantages to C; unfortunately for
the TeXDraw purposes, C compilers and C programmers are far more
common.  I wouldn't mind seeing a colour version of it, even if it was
a little limited in screen size.

-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
From: whitcomb@aurs01.UUCP (Jonathan Whitcomb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Toad Computers
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:16:43 GMT
Reply-To: whitcomb@aurxc3.aur.alcatel.com.UUCP (Jonathan Whitcomb)
Distribution: na
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh NC

In article <1992Sep30.151644.7135@cs.mun.ca> avp@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Anthony Paul) writes:
>Well today marks 5 weeks from the day I ordered from Toad Computers.
>
>I had heard only good things about this company.  I seriously
>doubt I will ever order from them again.  I ordered a hard drive case
>and 2 lynx games, all of which I was told were in stock.
>
>Maybe there is some problem that is beyond their control?

You expect we'd know better than they would?

>I will not waste my time and money phoning them to check on this
>order.

So instead you waste our time and the net's money?  Look, if you're too
cheap to call, send a postcard.  Even the best companies make mistakes
sometimes.  What if they've already shipped your order and the shipping
company misplaced it? 

>Anyway, consider this a public service announcement.

I consider it useless whining.  Don't complain, contact Toad!  I've
always had excellent service from them.
**********************************************************************
Jonathan Whitcomb                    UUCP: <whitcomb%aurgate@mcnc.org>
Alcatel Network Systems              Delphi: JBWHIT
Raleigh, NC                          GEnie: J.WHITCOMB3
From: csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MIDI Merge
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:48:33 GMT
Organization: AECL RESEARCH

Both my piano teacher and I have STs, Roland digital pianos,
and Roland sound boxes (I have an MT-32 and she has a Sound
Canvas).

We both want to avoid spending over $100 for a MIDI merge
box that would allow either the ST or the piano to be the
system controller without having to move cables around.

What is needed to build a MIDI merge box? Thanks in
advance.

BTW, I have a small Atari dealership and last week Atari USA
told me it did not have a new dealer price list yet. However,
in AEO's last issue, one company described Atari's new lower
prcing! Why is it one dealer can get a price list and another
is told they're unavailable?
From: ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: New Mac Prices tough on Falcon
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:09:06 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium, London

In article <OKES.92Oct2202259@SunLab41.essex.ac.uk> okes@essex.ac.uk (Oke S) writes:
>In article <Aemvoq_00awAAFql9r@andrew.cmu.edu> osoelgaultier+@CMU.EDU (Stefan Monnier) writes:
>| Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 1-Oct-92 New Mac Prices tough
>| on Falcon Marcelino Bernardo@ereva (478)
>| > Here is a portion of a recent press release posted in
>| > comp.sys.mac.announce.
>| >                                  Previous SRP   New SRP  %Change 
>| > Macintosh LC II(4MB/40HD)         $1,699         $1,239    27
>| > Macintosh LC II(4MB/80HD)         $1,849         $1,349    27
>|
>| > It seems to me that Atari would have a hard time marketing the Falcon with
>| > similar configuration for ~$1300 as I've read in this newsgroup.
>|
>| Although it is twice as fast, has DSP, and ....
>| well, I'm just wondering: why am I answering this kind of post ?
>
>Because you don't realise what an influence software support has on people
>perhaps? Don't flame me, I'v had an ST for 4.5 years, and I'm getting fed up
>with the way software companies are withdrawing support for the ST. My next
>machine (hopefully I'll get one next year) will probably be a PC (ugh!)
>

Well.. a snippet of information.. Personal Computer World magazine reports
at Apple will not be selling ANY of the new machines in Europe and will
instead just reprice the current models and badge a lesser machine as the
new Proforma 600.

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>like it and keep a copy for your own use, you owe me $20. Please pass it on
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>This line is absolutely no use whatsoever.

Steve

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From: JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu (J.J. Lehett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MegaSTe for sale
Date: 29 Sep 92 03:18:55 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


     Posted for a friend, but I will relay email messages to him:

     MegaSTe: 4 meg RAM
              1.44 meg disk drive
              70 meg hard drive
              TOS 2.06
              Original boxes and manuals

                        $800 or best offer
                        (407) 384-8603  - Bry Edewaard
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  - jjl101@psuvm.psu.edu                 Penn State CAC
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  GEnie: J.LEHETT2                       Delphi: JLEHETT@delphi.com
From: jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Subject: Re: TOS upgrade advice/help needed :^)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 3 Oct 92 07:56:43 GMT

hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:
>  Best Electronics now has a competing product that has the switch
>already made, so you may want to compare the two. The TEC comes with a
>utility disk of stuff for TOS 2.06, I don't know what the Best kit
>comes with. (And I haven't actually installed 2.06 on my systems yet,
>so I haven't looked over the utilities disk...)
>  If your ST already has a socketed CPU (e.g., if you had some CPU
>accelerator installed) the installation will be much easier.

  Speaking of the Best Card (it's actually by Wizztronics who also
make that cartmaster) I took a look at it at the Glendale Show.
Really neat design.  The guy who made it said that he didn't like the
other upgrade cards out (like the TEC I assume). 
  His upgrade card fits the TOS 2.06 and the 68000 on one socket/card.
Very low profile.  The installation is to basically to cut out your
68000 and put in the new card/socket.  The TOS 2.06 sits on the
underside of the card fully socketed to upgrade in the future.  And
the 68000 sits fully socketed on top with hardly a noticeable increase
in height.  He said that it's actually easier to install his card in a
previously unsocketed 68000 machine than it is to install all the
jumps and stuff in the TEC.  Of course if you have your 68000
socketed, it's as simple as plugging in the tiny new card with the
68000 already on it.  It's a clean design because there are no
jumpers.  Installing the switch between the old and new TOS involves a
couple of jumpers and bending up a few pins.
  I was a bit wary (and still am) of cutting out my 68000 and sticking
in his socketed one, but he made it sound pretty easy (I've done some
soldering...).  I don't think that card comes with any software but I
could be wrong.  Gives the TEC a good run for it's money tho...
  I'm still deciding.  An accelerator sounds good too.  Where did all
my money go?   :)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca
Subject: AEO address?
Organization: AECL RESEARCH
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:49:35 GMT

Could someone tell me the E-mail address of Atari Explorer on-line.
I asked Greg Lindahl at Virginia.Edu but he was obnoxious and
would not tell me. Always puzzles me why some netters treat others
with contempt.
From: lectro@milton.u.washington.edu (Jonathan E. Maier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: FOR SALE: AdSCSI Plus ST Host Adapter w/10Mb hard drive (optional)
Summary: $170+shipping gives a complete, upgradeable 20Mb hard-drive system
Keywords: hard drive scsi interface atari
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:06:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep27.210627.4909
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


   ICD SCSI Hard Drive Interface w/clock (battery backed) for use with
Atari ST series computers.  Hardly used, bought 8 months ago.  Includes
software/DMA cable/SCSI cable.  Will sell for $70, OBO.

   I also have a 20Mb 1/4 height (very small) SCSI hard drive that I will
sell with the adapter for and additional $100, but not separately.

   Shipping not included.

  Jonathan E. Maier             # ## #                lectro@u.washington.edu
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  Weekend Operator             ## ## ##              University of Washington
  UCS Operations              ##  ##  ##                  Seattle, Washington
From: paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Paul Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Spectre-GCR v3.0/System
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:09:47 GMT
Reply-To: paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

In article Iw8@news.cso.uiuc.edu, wmagro@uiuc.edu (William Magro) writes:
> In article <1agjr6INNiec@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz  
> writes:
> :^) What's the difference between system 6.0.4 and 6.0.5?  And, if any,  
> what's
> :^) the advantage?!
> :^)  
> :^) Also, when I call up 'Get Information' from the file menu, a lot of  
> the text
> :^) seems to overlap - making it very difficult to read.  (And I'd rather  
> keep th
> :^) font size above 10 point!)  
> :^)  
> :^) And, where can I get a (PD) Epson (FX/MX/LX compat') for the mac'.  
> :^)  
> :^) Thanks for any help! (Nice gadget!)
> 
> There is a decent Epson 9-pin and 24-pin driver available as freeware.
> The package is called:  Chuck's printer drivers.  It is available on
> mac sites which mirror the info-mac archives (wuarchive.wustl.edu, 
> for example).  You can always search for it under 'chucks' using
> archie.
> 
> Bill

I'm not too sure about the difference between 6.0.4 and 6.0.5, except that
a lot of software says you must have _at least_ 6.0.5, and some even says
6.0.7 (which I uderstands works with Spectre--except for sound--yet).

I also use Chuck's printer drivers, but they're not the best.  Text looks
chunky even in high-res, and it can't accept some curves (i.e., using Mac
Draw, some shapes come out flat).  I've got another driver (can't remember
what it's called) but it's so incredibly slow it's useless.

-Paul Harris
paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Game Workbench (was Re: Game designers workshop what/why/how/etc)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:46:20 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <1992Oct5.141820.1677@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov writes:

>The Game Designers Workbench is completed... it's just that there have
>been some organizational difficulties with the company who owns the
>distribution license for it.  The principle author of GDW is Dave
>Baggett who frequents the Usenet, so why not send him email at
>dmb@wam.umd.edu and ask him the real story?

Correction:  The priciple designerS *are* Neil Forsyth <neil@cs.hw.ac.uk>
and me <dmb@ai.mit.edu>.  As for the real story, you sure as hell got
me.  :-/  It's a truly wonderful system that Neil and I have both
poured three years of our lives into -- that's all I can say with any
confidence at this point.  You may attempt to call DC directly about
the status of the system in terms of release date, etc.  If you find
out anything, let me know.  (!)

Dowloadable games created with it are HacMan II, DC Snowball Fight, and
Blox, all of which can be found on atari.archive.  They are in some
sense not very good examples, though, because we've spent 98% our time
working on the system 2% on writing the example games, and neither of
us is a professional quality artist.  The games are mainly trivial
(albeit time-consuming) examples of what the system is capable of.

Dave Baggett
--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!)
Subject: Re: Boston Computer Society shows Falcon 0
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:10:39 GMT
Organization: MSD software vault #9 @THD

In article <1992Sep27.221452.18862@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov writes:
>In article 1724@lysator.liu.se, boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:
>I quite agree with some of your technical comments about the Falcon, Stefan.
>I think Atari _did_ cripple the machine somewhat (sorry, fellow Atarians)
>and I don't see how a Falcon = 98% VideoToaster, either.  In fact, there are
>a _lot_ of things I'm unhappy about concerning the new machine.  But I'm
>still excited about it and anxiously await its release.  And why not?

I don't quite see what you mean ? As the new entry level machine I don't
see really any severe problems with the Falcon. That there is only one bus,
the old 1040 case and no real hi res, is if you think about in terms
of cost-reduction only rational.

I'd be disappointed if this was the high-end machine, as it's the low-end
I am quite happy. If the A4000 was Atari's new high-end, I'd be extremely
disappointed. (har)

Nat!



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: SPAC000 <SPAC@UNB.CA>
Subject: PageStream Address
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:35:20 GMT

Could someone please post the current address of the publishers of
Pagestream?  I think their name is SoftLogic, but I am not
absolutely sure.  Thanks.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: Newbie C question.
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:01:49 GMT

wallace@yngstr.enet.dec.com (Ray Wallace) writes:


>In article <rasas.717788267@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>, rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten) writes...
>>		if(fpath[i] = '\\')

>Change the '=' to a '=='. ie:
>		if(fpath[i] == '\\')

>Your code is copying a '\' over every character in the path name.

AAAAAAARGGGGHH, completely overlooked this one when writing my follow-up.
shame, shame, blush, blush...


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Department of Philosophy              -------------------------------------
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The Netherlands                               are pure coincidence
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Boston Computer Society shows Falcon 030
Date: 27 Sep 1992 01:15:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) says:

>
>>  - in many respects the Falcon is more powerful than the Video Toaster,
>>    containing 98% of its functionality. The cost of the Falcon plus
>>    any associated software/hardware will be less in cost than the
>>    Video Toaster itself.
>
>  You got to be kidding! Whoever said that should get a clue. There's no
>way a puny little Falcon can pull off the tricks the Toaster can. Wake
>up and get a grip on reality.


HAVE YOU USED THE FALCON 030 YET?

The more I read, the more I see an insecure Commodore user that is letting
out his frustrations on the comp.sys.atari.st newsgroup to make himself
feel better.

The only thing I have to say is that Atari released their next generation
computer while Commodore has not.

Case closed.

>--
>Stefan Boberg - AP & EE student at Linkoping Institute of Technology, Sweden
> Author of LhA, ArjA and LhArcA. Co-author of Alien Breed, Project X ...
>  EMail: boberg@lysator.liu.se, lha@augs.se           FIDO: 2:204/404.7
>    UUCP:  {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmehq!cbmswe!team17!boberg
>

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From: fergus@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (George Fergus)
Subject: Re: CAD programs
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:53:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.151819.7865@newstand.syr.edu>
   arpajian@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Dean Arpajian) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.211716.441@zooid.guild.org>,
>    Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>
>> I am in particular interested in OrCAD and as far as I know there isn't
>> anything that is as powerful as that piece of software. It is $1500 and
>> is pretty affordable since industrial software is in the $5000+ range.
>
>There is a very good CADD prog for the mac that doesn't cost $>1000...
>it is called Claris CAD (by ofcourse Claris)... we use it at work for
>all our enclosure layouts, our machine shop uses it for every print/
>patent applic that they do...

OrCAD is not a general drafting program like Claris CAD.  It is specifically
for drawing electronic circuit schematics and creating netlists which can
be sent to a circuit simulator.  It is available only for MS-DOS computers
and is relatively unique.  I don't think there is anything comparable
available even for the Macintosh, not to mention the Atari ST.