From: UC525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Mark Eaton)
Subject: Re: Will the real Taligent please stand up? (was Re: PowerPC or Mac???)
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:07:32 CST

In article <1992Dec14.050708.1488@cubetech.com>
andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern) writes:
 
>
>In article <168BBDAAD.UC525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu> UC525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Mark Eaton) writes:
>>Hmm. I guess the combined resources of Apple and IBM won't be any
>>help to Taligent? Yeah, NeXT could easily stay ahead of two giants,
>>especially now that they'll be supporting two platforms. Don't
>>expect NS 3.0 for awhile now that they'll be worrying over NS486.
>
>Hello??
>
>First, NS 3.0 has been out on NeXT computers for over three months now.
 
Sorry. I guess I meant 4.0. In any case, the next NextStep for Nexts,
but I bet you knew what I meant. ;)
 
>
>What makes you think that these two companies are going to come
>together and actually make this work?
>
>1)  The last thing Taligent CEO Jaseph Guglielmi worked on was Office
>Vision.  After spending $300 million they never shipped anything.
>
>2)  Here you have a company, Apple, which basically taught it's
>employees to hate I.B.M. for years and years (I've seen a slide that
>Guy Kawasaki stole from Apple which had a big stylized blue person
>wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase with a big red circle-slash
>around it and the Apple logo in the lower right hand corner).  But
>suddenly these companies are buddies and everyone's supposed to get
>along??  That doesn't happen.  When IBM bought my uncle's company
>(ROLM) several years back, everything was supposed to be great and the
>two companies would work together to make better products.  This
>didn't happen.  The ROLM people wanted to do things for the ROLM
>subsidiary, and the IBM people were still faithful to IBM.  When was
>the last time you saw something neat from ROLM?  In any event, IBM is
>NOTORIOUS for having problems with divisions and subsidiaries
>competing with eachother.  What makes you think this is going to be
>different?
>
>Look at what's happening.  This is obvoiusly not a "joint venture"
>this is "lets put our guys together and see if we can steal a lot of
>technology from the other."  IBM talks about folding OOP bullshit into
>OS/2, and Apple talks about doing the same thing with System 7.  Where
>is the joint product.
>
>I bet nothing comes of Taligent but a major "lovers spat" where IBM
>and Apple come out with separate, competing products.
 
Yeah, sure. Apple and IBM may not got along, they may even split off,
but the point is, Apple already had a significant amount of work done
on an OOP OS. If the taligent thing breaks apart, apple can still bring
out Pink sans IBM, and run it on PowerPC, or any other processor.
 
>
>if I may quote Steve Jobs: "Name one really sucessful product that
>came from an alliance... I can't think of one sucessfil product in the
>history of our industry that ever came from an alliance.  Or any other
>industry, either.  Toyota and GM? - no.  I'm sure there are some
>examples bit they're not standouts.  The statistics are not in favor
>of these industry alliances."
>
>Just look at ACE.
>
>But, if you want to toss all of the speculation aside and simply look
>at the facts: "I guess the combined resources of Apple and IBM won't
>be any help to Taligent? Yeah, NeXT could easily stay ahead of two
>giants, especially now that they'll be supporting two platforms."
>
>Who has been shipping an OO-OS for nearly FOUR years now, and who
>doesn't have shit?  You tell me.
 
If next has nothing to worry about, why are you here proseletyzing
us? I think you are taking this all too personally... :)
 
 
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>>Mark Eaton                    | Opinions? We're not allowed to have
>>UC525655@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU | opinions at Mizzou... get back to me
>>                              | in '94 when I graduate... ;)
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>
>andrew
>--
>andrew@cubetech.com      |  "C++'s runtime sucks shit!  Virtual functions
 
mark eaton uc525655@mizzou1.missouri.edu
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