HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: po87553@cs.tut.fi (Pasi 'Albert' Ojala)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: uucico 1.16 jb.01 (was: uucico)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 10:28:14 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
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In article <jf.02tf@debi.uoknor.edu> jf@debi.uoknor.edu writes:
>back in, and the perfect search order (for me) would be: 1) UULIB:Config;
>2) env:USERNAME; 3) local USERNAME; or, alternately, mail all notifications
>to 'Postmaster' and let me sort it out. :)

Well, local USERNAME, global USERNAME and Config would do as well, you just
set the global USERNAME to be the postmaster (or what was that used for),
or set the local USERNAME variable of the UUCICO process instead (use a
script: 
	set USERNAME root
	UUCP:C/UUCICO ...
Or something. This way, you do not even need any other entries than local
environmental variables..


>BTW, if anyone has any ideas how I could better set up or maintain my
>multi-user configuration I would appreciate them.  Always room for
>improvement, eh? :)

Ever tried AXsh ? In the next version all AXsh variables are exported
to local variables (the ones that the user is accepted to change).
(And in the one after that only 2.0 local variables are used.)
Well, maybe I still have to add a non-accepted variable-name list ?

-Pasi
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From: wusel@hactar.hanse.de (Kai 'wusel' Siering)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: uucico 1.16 jb.01 (was: uucico)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:00:03 +0100
Reply-To: "Kai 'wusel' Siering" <wusel@hactar.hanse.de>
 <04121992o051359@hactar.hanse.de> <111292f0634@hamburg.uucp> 
 <salnick.0637@dejavu.spk.wa.us> <1992Dec14.144446.9394@cs.tu-berlin.de>
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In article <1992Dec14.144446.9394@cs.tu-berlin.de>, Andreas M. Kirchwitz writes:
% In <salnick.0637@dejavu.spk.wa.us> salnick@dejavu.spk.wa.us (There is no substitute for displacement...) writes:
% >In article <111292f0634@hamburg.uucp> wusel@hactar.hanse.de (Kai 'wusel' Siering) writes:
% >>In article <1992Dec9.183924.8553@e2big.mko.dec.com>, Steve Drew writes:
% >>% In article <081292u2100@hamburg.uucp>, wusel@hactar.hanse.de (Kai 'wusel' Siering) writes:
% >>[...]
% >>% I've had requests for postmaster, $USERNAME (config: username then try
% >>% env: username) and now root.
% >>
% >>     Just a moment: first UUCONFIG and then environment? I think this
% >>really should be reversed! The environment should always have precedence
% >>over static entries like configuration files, shouldn't it?!
% >
% >ALWAYS!
%
% Sorry guys, this is WRONG.  UNIX does it the other way (config files

Too bad for UNOX =:-> And that's not the whole truth ...

% precedence over environment).  Reason is: you don't have to write config
% files for EACH program.  You have ONE environment with your default
% settings.  And if you wish to change something SPECIAL, you set a
% appropriate variable in the config file.  So, the config files are
% very short and easy to read.  And if you want to change (for example)
% your favourite "Editor" you only have to change env(arc):Editor and
% not the "Editor" variable in EVERY config file.

     Oops? The latter is exactly the way it should work; set $EDITOR to
the program of your choice and everything's fine. But this breaks if some
(more or less =:->) brain-damaged overrides the easy-to-change (local)
environment variable with it's hard-coded default or some weird
config-file entry. Think on `line 50' in an config file -- this would
overrule the correct $LINE (25), which is simply ridiculous.  And:
AmigaUUCP would be doomed to single-user operation this way -- the default
USERNAME and REALNAME are defined in `uulib:Config' ...

% As I've already said...  have a look at Unix!

     The de-facto standard in AmigaUUCP (and other programs on the Amiga)
is (local) environment first, then config-file, then error message.  Does
the Sytle Guide mention anything about this?
			kai

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From: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de (Stefan Eggers)
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:55:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Cnews questions
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
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Walter Mildenberger (wasp@chumly.ka.sub.org) wrote:
> In article <steve.02qf@Celeborn.lvunix.com>, Steve Slade writes:

> $>>MOK:all,!alt.sex,!soc,!comp.mail/all:f:
>                                         ^
> *DON'T* use `f', use `F' instead. Under some bizarre circumstances
> relaynews calculates a wrong articlesize, which *will* confuse the next

My  CNews does not count the `XRef:' lines it generates.  I don't know
wether this is a bug or a feature.

Stefan.
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Max-Slevogt-Str. 1
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Federal Republic of Germany
From: pjohnson@jabba.uucp (Palmer Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: uucico 1.16 jb.01 (was: uucico)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 19:06:47 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <ciaran.3efd@aldhfn.akron.oh.us> ciaran@aldhfn.akron.oh.us (Skip Watson) writes:
> In article <Geoff.5k8r@equinox.gen.nz> Geoff@equinox.gen.nz (Geoff Mccaughan) writes:
> > Kai 'wusel' Siering (wusel@hactar.hanse.de) wrote:
> > 
> > >  o Make uucico use subdirectories in uuspool: for each system instead of
> > >    storing everthing and more in this one dir. Say, you have several
> > >    sites connected with you -- today, each time uucico runs, it scans the
> > >    whole uuspool: for pending work, which can take a significant amount
> > >    of time even if there's no work for the actually connected system (or
> > >    systems in case you have additional ports). In my opinion, this is
> > >    more than stupid (and only acceptable on a system with exactly one
> > >    connection) -- especially as this could be very easy be avoided: store
> > >    the work (incoming and outgoing) for `system1' in `uuspool:system1/',
> > >    for `host2' in `uuspool:host2/' and so on.
> > >         This would involve minor changes to uucico, uuxqt, uux and uucp
> > >    but would be useful to a lot of poeple -- even if someone's calling
> > >    your site for an anon-uucp transfer, he has to suffer from the time
> > >    your system needs to scan uuspool: =:-<
> > 
> > This is well worth doing. We run a full newsfeed and feed more than 40
> > sites, and the spool logging times were getting outrageous [it's nothing
> > unusual for us to have 40MB in the spool queue]. We have made the
> > [relatively trivial**] modifications, and the change is certainly dramatic.
> > I suppose we should post the changes if there's interest...
> > 
> 
> 	I for one am decidedly interested! I have an almost full feed and
> only have 11 sites (with 3 more in the works). On a stock A500 searching
> through 20 or more meg is incredibly "painful". I'd love to see the
> multiple subdirectories supported.
> 	If you don't want to post those, you can mail me copies :-).
> 
YEA... I would like to see this too!!!
From: wusel@hamburg.UUCP (Kai 'wusel' Siering)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:09:20 +0100
Organization: Villa Straylight, Hamburg, FRG
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: CNews Bugs (Crash Release)? (was: Re: Cnews questions)
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In article <R597s*gk3@crpi.UUCP>, joel@crpi.UUCP (Joel C. Justen) writes:

% I've
% been running CNews for close to 2 years now (when did I send you that money,
% Frank??  :-)) and would like to see it more widely used.  I would also like
% to see a BETTER port done (no offense, Frank) because the current version
% DOES have it's quirks..

     Seems as if I haven't fond all of them (well, today, while working on
inews, I found out that relaynews silently ACCEPTS articles without a
`Newsgroups:' header, assuming `no groups == junk' ... Just another bug of
that old version *sigh*), thus: please report all known bugs/problems of
CNews to <bugs@hactar.hanse.de>. A `Subject:' like `CNews: problem in
<prg>' would be neat, also a unique id (<name>-<num>@<host>) as in:

---------------------------------------8<---------------------------------------
To: <bugs@hactar.hanse.de>.
Subject: CNews: problem in ...

%id:
wusel-0001@hactar
%%

this is just an example =:->
--------------------------------------->8---------------------------------------

Thanks.
			kai

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When in doubt, lead trump.
From: steve@Celeborn.lvunix.com (Steve Slade)
Subject: more cnews questions
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Summary: 
Keywords: 
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Date: 16 Dec 92 11:07:04 PST
Organization: Not even Close

Thanks for the replys to my previous questions about cnews.  But now I have
new ones about using frank edwards latest port.

1) How to I get tin pl6 to work with the mailpaths file so that when I post to a
moderated group it sends mail instead of giving me an error that I cant post
to a moderated group.  right now I have an alias file for dmail to handle
this but I would like to get it working.

2) When ever a newgroup message comes across from the control newsgroup. cnews
creates it just fine but after looking in my errlog file I find the following.

>To: usenet
>Subject: newgroup error
>
>newsgroup comp.archives.msdos.announce created by tale@news1.UU.NET
Why does this get posted to errlog?  It creates the proper active entry and
news dir.?  (I get messages sent to it by my feed) The only error I can think
of is it creates a messydoss group on my beloved amiga 8^)

How do we vote for the the new cnews newsgroup do we vote out here in the open
or do we send votes to a email address?  I would like to vote for tha 
alt.sys.amiga.cnews/alt.sys.amiga.cnews.patches idea.
From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: New Amiga newsgroups WAS: Re: Cnews questions
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:06:44 EST
 <YGv7s*s97@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca> <mbs.1gdd@adastra.cvl.va.us> <ciaran.3imv@aldhfn.akron.oh.us>
Distribution: world
Organization: Phaedra V

In article <ciaran.3imv@aldhfn.akron.oh.us>, Skip Watson writes:

> 	c.s.a.networking will have problems getting "approved". One of the
> biggest arguments against it will be that it already exists as c.s.a.datacomm.

There is a defensable difference between datacomm and networking, but
networking isn't really the right thing here, it doesn't really cover
all aspects of news s/w and covers lots of other things.

> 	c.s.a.transports would be interesting but it would see fidonet,
> nos, uucp, and just about everything else which is fine except for
> fidonet :-). I don't think this name would pass the news.groups people, but

Hey, the "news.groups" people is us! Ok, lots of people don't read it,
but what counts is who votes. And comp.sys.amiga.* and alt.sys.amiga.*
readers will know about that, don't worry.

> 	c.s.a.uucp may appear to have the traffic and support but will it
> fly in the face of news.groups? The requirements for passing are a bit

Well, apart from following the outlined procedures to make sure you
have suitable waiting times, etc. the requirements are 100 more yes
than no votes. We can swing that with a.s.a.u readers alone. Mac users
may not like Amigas, but they won't gang up on us over the new group.
:-)

> tough. The gods know I *don't* have the patience necessary to propose a
> group in the mainstream usenet. I'd support any one else that wanted to do
> it though.

Oh oh. :-)

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From: mbs@adastra.cvl.va.us (Michael B. Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: Bug in sendmail/rmail (DUUCP)
Distribution: world
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Date: 13 Dec 92 11:09:12 EDT
Organization: Well, I haven't decided on a name yet...

In article <111292t0438@hamburg.uucp> wusel@hactar.hanse.de (Kai 'wusel' Siering) writes:
> In article <mbs.1fjb@adastra.cvl.va.us>, Michael B. Smith writes:
> % In article <091292f0137@hamburg.uucp> wusel@hactar.hanse.de (Kai 'wusel' Siering) writes:
> % >      RMail assumes the envelope in `From_' is always a bang-path which may
> % > or may not be true; especially in common BSMTP implementations this is NOT
> % > the case:
> % >
> % > From pfm.rmt.sub.org!@public.gup-wi.gup-bn.UUCP:uhf.saar.de!ramsey.saar.de!torstenb@flatlin.ka.sub.org Fri, 4 Dec 92 21:31:59 CEST

> `@hosta,@hostb,...:user@hostc' ...  The above address is `the worst of all
> worlds' :) :( You can interpret it as (I'll leave the domains out)
>
>    public!pfm!flatlin!uhf!ramsey!torstenb
>    pfm!public!flatlin!uhf!ramsey!torstenb
>    flatlin!public!uhf!ramsey!torstenb!pfm
>
> (I'm not sure about the precedences; the second is the intended one.)

As I read the RFC, the second would be the appropriate way to apply the
precedences.

> BTW, sendmail converts it to:
>
>    type MF class UU addr pfm!public ROUTE public.gup-wi.gup-bn.UUCP!pfm.rmt.sub.org!!flatllin.ka.sub.org!uhf.saar.de!ramsey.saar.de!torstenb
>
> (Note the `!!' =:->)

It's close.  :)

I don't see anything immediately wrong with the domain.c code, in terms of
placing them in the correct order. I believe that sendmail just needs to do
the path conversion a little bit earlier than it currently does.

> % I would also point out that the From envelope is supposed to be for
> % informational purposes, and never used for building a return address.
>
>      Sorry, but that isn't the truth: the envelope address is used to
> return failure notifications (like `user unknown' aso.) and that's why I
> posted this bug. Especially in case of mailing list, mailservers, etc. it
> would be really annoying to have bounces go to the orginator of the
> message instead of an administrator's account.

No offense, but where does it say that? This is what I see from RFC-821
talking about Return-Path, and no discussion at all about Path (page 19
I think , 4.3.1):

This field  is  added  by  the  final  transport  system  that
delivers  the message to its recipient.  The field is intended
to contain definitive information about the address and  route
back to the message's originator.

Note:  The "Reply-To" field is added  by  the  originator  and
       serves  to  direct  replies,  whereas the "Return-Path"
       field is used to identify a path back to  the  origina-
       tor.

While the syntax  indicates  that  a  route  specification  is
optional,  every attempt should be made to provide that infor-
mation in this field.
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From: hugh@kink.PhaedraV.On.Ca (Hugh D. Gamble)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.uucp
Subject: Re: uucico 1.16 jb.01 (was: uucico)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:53:51 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Phaedra V

In article <overlord.0knt@megalith.miami.fl.us>, Carlos Amezaga [Postmaster] writes:

> 	Talking about UUCICO, The one that John put up in Patches
> not to long ago seems to be defective.  By this I mean that It does
> not seem to report what protocol you used correctly.  I use the 'G'
> Protocol on a few systems that connect to me, and with the UUCICO I
> have right now, it correctly lists in the Xferstat that I am using
> the 'G' protocol.  However I used the UUCICO John provided in
> patches, which I would like to use. When invoked it lists the protocol 
> being used as 'g' even though I my UUCICO was invoked with a -pG from my
> crontab. It is weird.

There's a simple answer to that. It doesn't support G.
G is used for talking to SVR4 unix and certain other uucp sites if you
want to use large packet sizes. You don't need it to use large packets
with other Amigas or some other sites that are able to accept them, or
if you're using standard 64 byte packets.

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Date: 15 Dec 1992 04:42:34 GMT
From: goetz_schuchart@uranus.osgo.KS.HE.Schule.de (Goetz Schuchart)
Subject: Re^2: Cnews questions
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You, CRPI!JOEL%UUNET.UU.NET@UN.ZER (Joel C. Justen) write:

[...] who's interested in #?.cnews:

 # I'm all for it, but I think maybe it should be called 'alt.sys.amiga.uucp.cnews'
 # as cnews runs UNDER the uucp transport.

  Me too - but I prefer 'alt.sys.amiga.cnews' because e.g. on my machine
  cnews runs under different tranport mechanisms.
  I would please Kai 'wusel' or someone else to gate the new group into
  a mailing list because we are not able to get alt.*

  MfG. Goetz

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-- THE ANSWER V2.03
From: u920659@daimi.aau.dk (Carsten S|rensen)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Criti!
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:03:35 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

In article <Bz8ALs.Lt2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki) writes:
>And I'm serious about the alt.sys.amiga.demos.tech, we could discuss
>writing demos without worrying about anyone telling us "that's not
>OS complient" or "why don't you do it in NTSC?"

What are we waiting for? Let's get it right now and there we should discuss
how different programming aspects of demo-routines (and maybe upload some).
And keep reviews/compatibility questions and so on in this current
demo-newsgroup.

Carsten Soerensen

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Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
From: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth)
Subject: Correction : Horizontal scroller
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:36:22 GMT
Originator: larshaug@dyggve.ifi.uio.no


In article <Paul_Trauth.19er@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US>, Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth) writes:
> I just stuck "move.l #$ffffffff,$dff044" in after the bit of code that
> points the copper list to the bitplanes. Worked fine then.

Oooops. What a silly error. Shame on me.
Thank you, Paul, for pointing it out!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Old source (In the COPYBLOCK part):

	lea	CUSTOMBASE,a5			; Blit block onto screen
	WBLIT
	move.l	a0,$50(a5)			; BLTAPTR
	move.l	a1,$54(a5)			; BLTDPTR
	move.l	#$0000002A,$64(a5)		; BLTAMOD BLTDMOD
	move.l	#$09F00000,$40(a5)		; BLTCON0 BLTCON1
	move.w	#$1401,$58(a5)			; BLTSIZE
	WBLIT
	rts

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Change this to :

	lea	CUSTOMBASE,a5			; Blit block onto screen
	WBLIT
	move.l	a0,$50(a5)			; BLTAPTR
	move.l	a1,$54(a5)			; BLTDPTR
	move.l	#$0000002A,$64(a5)		; BLTAMOD BLTDMOD
	move.l	#$09F00000,$40(a5)		; BLTCON0 BLTCON1
	move.l	#$FFFFFFFF,$44(a5)		; BLTAFWM BLTALWM
	move.w	#$1401,$58(a5)			; BLTSIZE
	WBLIT
	rts

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

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| Lars Haugseth                                             +-+
| Dept. of Informatics,               <larshaug@ifi.uio.no> | |
| University of Oslo, Norway                                | |
|                                                           | |
|          If idiots could fly, this would be an airport... | |
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From: Alex_Topic@tvbbs.wimsey.bc.ca (Alex Topic)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Westcoast?
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:19:52 PST
Organization: Tunnel-Vision BBS!

  Just curious is there any other demo crews on the west coast of North
America? It would be interesting to know if anyone else out there has
the same interest as me. My friend is willing to have some sort of
NET
support for Creative Demo types. Anyhow just wondering...
 
  It is neat to hear how cool the parties are in europe. However I wish
some
of them were over here, near me. Yeah a big gathering in Seattle..heh 
Oh well C'ya all later!
 
 -Alex

 

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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Criti!
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:20:37 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec11.043853.23553@u.washington.edu> by foregone@stein.u.washington.edu (Carl Chavez):

> How come an Amiga MUST have samples? I find it incredible that a computer
> in this day and age is incapable of creating sounds in other ways. After all,

    It makes the sound hardware less complicated to use than it
    otherwise would be (hark back to programming the SID chip in the
    C=64), you can play anything with samples, and samples sound
    better.

> even ancient computers created sound simply by changing the frequency of
> clicks created by electrical activity! (Example: Apple II music and speech)

    Compare a MOD on an Amiga to the same MOD played back on a PC's
    internal speaker. The latter is doing a lot of clicks as you
    describe above, and frankly, it sucks.
--
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***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
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