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From: geraint@prg.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: our most historic castle
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:30:05 GMT
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.3


  (    London, 22 November 1992
   )
  (    A starled nation was delighted to hear Heritage Minister Peter
   )   Brooke today announce that Her Majesty's Government will find 
  (    the money to restore Castell y Bere to its original glory.  
   )     `This is our most historic castle,' he said, `It is of great
  (    importantance to the nation.'  It is only seven hundred and
   )   nine years since y Bere fell to the English.  Also high on the
  (    list to get the full treatment from the Department of Fun, at
   )   the tax-payer's expense, are Dinas Bran and Dolwyddelan.

Just as well it was not Rhys Gethin who set the fire, or they would have to  /
wait as long as the people who are bombed out in Ulster have to, for their  /
compensation.  Of course, it might have been Rhys Gethin.                  / g
___
What is it makes the Welsh so bloody cynical then, eh?    The English, mostly.
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: actor on STAR TREK
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:31:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.192146.27796@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>	This is probably not the place to post this, but someone did ask
>about Colm Meaney, and so far I've gotten no responses on any of the
>rec.arts.startrek.* groups.
>	In the episode in which Picard, Ro, Guinan and Keiko O'Brien are
>turned into children, the adolescent Picard was played by an actor who looked
>vaguely familiar. I think his name was David Tristan Birkin, but I'm not
>sure. More to the point, the accent he spoke with was supposed to have been
>an English accent, but it didn't sound like the English accents you usually
>hear on American TV shows. If I have the name of the actor rightm I might
>hazard a guess that the accent was Welsh, but I've not heard enough Welsh
>accents to be at all sure about this. Can someone who saw the episode, shed
>some light on this query? There are seven people waiting for an answer.


Piccard is _FRENCH_, darn it, _FRENCH_!

Of course in the 24th Century they speak English in France, so
its a French accent  9-)




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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: actor on STAR TREK
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:20:18 GMT

From article <1992Nov20.185603.2358@newstand.syr.edu>, by crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea):
> In article <1992Nov19.093435.28716@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>>From: rbv@cypress.com
>>>        but I'm not sure. More to the point, the accent he spoke with was
>>>        supposed to have been an English accent, but it didn't sound like the
>>>        English accents you usually hear on American TV shows.
>>
>>Accents on American TV shows which are supposed to be English
>>accents frequently don't sound very much like English accents.
>>Maybe someone actually got it right for once.
>>
>>Matthew Huntbach
> 
> The English actor on Star TRek is Patrick Stewart, who is bona fide
> English. He worked on the Shakespearean stage for many years
> before landing the Trek job. He plays  Capt. Picard. Is this the one being
> referred to?
> 
> Chris
> 
NO. The actor in question is a small english kid. Two weeks ago over
here (USA) the new season of ST:TNG started with the captain and
three others Gaean (sp?), O'Briens wife, and another, being beamed in
the nick of time from their shuttle, which was breaking up because of
some sort of warp. However, because of the warp the transporter did not
transport some eccencial bit of DNA (or something) so they arrived on
the transported deck as childern. The actor in question is the kid who
played Picard as a child.

Personally, I though he sounded like any regular bra... (oops) child
from winchester or eton or ...........

													GW
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Cymraeg! (was: Re: Cookbooks or Recipes?)
Date: 17 Nov 92 08:46:09 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <librik.721966282@cory.Berkeley.EDU>, librik@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David Librik) writes...
> 
>The basic idea here is that language revival only works if you have a solid
>heartland that uses the language in ordinary and official life.  The usual
>suggestions, in which Welsh is "forced" on the half of Wales which has been
>English-speaking for two centuries, will go down like a lead balloon and won't
>do anything to keep the keep the language alive on the lips of those who live
>in "y Fro Gymraeg".
> 
Research has been done which shows that the "default" language switches
to English when less than 2/3 of the community speak Welsh fluently.

>Any comments?  I'm not wedded to these ideas.  And I don't see them coming
>about under the current stranglehold of Tory government.  (It might be

I'm not normally one to jump to the defence of the Tories, but it was the
Tories who have given #9.5 million annually to Gaelic so that the amount
of Gaelic airtime in Scotland can more than triple. This airtime will commence
in approx 6 weeks. (1993). There will be 300 hours of Gaelic a year, of
which some will be at peak viewing time. There will also be a Gaelic soap
"Machair" - I have a friend in it!

Craig

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From: riordanm@cs.tcd.ie (Mark Riordan)
Subject: Re: Foreign Reporting of Irish Affairs
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:07:32 GMT

In article <SMAILL.92Nov23151227@affric.aisb.ed.ac.uk> smaill@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Alan Smaill) writes:
>
>I heard on the BBC an interview with a man from the "Cork Examiner"
>(I think) making your point that wording is opposed by people from
>both sides of the abortion debate.
>
I guess some parts of the BBC are doing better than others. The BBC
piece I saw was admittedly on CEEFAX so possibly it lost its meaning
on being shrunk to fit the CEEFAX page. That said though its not 
really an acceptable excuse.

MARK


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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Celtics
Date: 19 Nov 92 06:29:57 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

So I here that the Celtics this year are off to their worst start since
running into the great defensive talent of Hadrian Wall from the Rome
Legionaires of the old EBL (European Basketball League), I believe that was
around 50 BC, but I'm not sure.  (Sorry, but I couldn't resist the tie in)
-- 
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758-0207
MLSA

"I really do appreciate the fact you're sitting here, you're voice sounds so
wonderful but your face don't look too clear so barmaid bring a pitcher,
another round of brew, why don't we get drunk and screw?"- J. Buffett
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: actor on STAR TREK
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:34:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: rbv@cypress.com
>        but I'm not sure. More to the point, the accent he spoke with was
>        supposed to have been an English accent, but it didn't sound like the
>        English accents you usually hear on American TV shows.

Accents on American TV shows which are supposed to be English
accents frequently don't sound very much like English accents.
Maybe someone actually got it right for once.

Matthew Huntbach
From: silver.e@zooid.guild.org (Eric Silver)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Export Suppliers Wanted.
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:16:00 GMT

My friend owns a Scottish import shop. He is having an awful time
with his current list of suppliers. I was wondering if readers,
particulary those in Scotland, Ireland, England and Wales could
email me any MANUFACTURING EXPORTERS of the following goods;

Irish Linen (Ireland only please)

Souvenires (Scottish, Irish, Welsh, English)
such as key rings, belt buckles, tie pins, hat badges,
books, bumper stickers, crests, jewelry, toys, sweets, etc.
 
China and porcelien (sp?) Especially England, etc.)

Tartan hose, hose tops, wool clothing and goods. (Especially Ireland &
Scotland and Wales)

Dirks, skien dubns, plaids, kilts, vests, sporans, belts (waist and
cross), dress jackets, coats, caps, hats.

Shoes (Especially England)

Please send this information directly to me at  silver.e@zooid.guild.org

Thank you all in advance. The specialty items county of origin are my 
friend's choice, not mine. 

Eric Silver - York, Upper Canada.

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From: jxm@engin.umich.edu (John Murray)
Subject: Re: Going to Ireland, need suggestions please
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:10:39 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov18.014553.18609@lclark.edu> ryanp@lclark.edu (Ryan Powell) writes:
>
>.....  I'm looking very forward to visiting the Emerald Isle
>and getting to know it's people face to face. 
>

You'll have a MUCH better time and get to know people
A LOT BETTER if you refrain from using the term 
'Emerald Isle' while you're there!! Otherwise, you'll
just come across as yet another boorish tourist!

Have a good trip and enjoy the Guinness and the craic! 

John Murray
Univ. of Michigan
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From: warrenk@cix.compulink.co.uk (Warren Kovach)
Subject: Re: Cookbooks or Recipes?
Reply-To: warrenk@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:35:36 +0000

librik@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David Librik) writes:
> One-of-Three <ALG122@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> >Hello there, I am interested in finding some authentic recipes or perhapse a
> >cookbook that contains goodies from the old country.
> 
> Sure.  Write to:
>   Y Lolfa       (or phone: 011-44-97086-304; the first two parts dial the UK
>   Talybont       and the third is Talybont's area code)
>   Dyfed
>   SY24 5HE
>   Wales
>   U.K.

Talybont's phone numbers were supposed to change this year.  If the
above doesn't work, try 011-44-970-832304
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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: actor on STAR TREK
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:54:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.100323.10803@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:

>I find the hypothesis that French will disappear but the
>English will retain an accent distinct from the USA to be very
>touching, but rather unlikely.

Oh OK...

Whats that accent that Troi uses? Bulgarian? It certainly 
isn't American  9-)




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From: rbv@cypress.com
Subject: actor on STAR TREK
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:59:52 GMT

st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Rosaleen Dhu) says:

	In the episode in which Picard, Ro, Guinan and Keiko O'Brien are
	turned into children, the adolescent Picard was played by an actor who
	looked vaguely familiar. I think his name was David Tristan Birkin,
	but I'm not sure. More to the point, the accent he spoke with was
	supposed to have been an English accent, but it didn't sound like the
	English accents you usually hear on American TV shows. If I have the
	name of the actor right I might hazard a guess that the accent was
	Welsh, but I've not heard enough Welsh accents to be at all sure about
	this. Can someone who saw the episode, shed some light on this query?
	There are seven people waiting for an answer.

It certainly was not a Welsh accent.  It was unusual, but I would still
identify it as English.

-- Roger

Gee ceffyl bach, yn ein cario ni'n dau
Dros y mynydd i hela cnau.
From: 00mddwyer@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Enya's Irish Lyrics.
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:39:33 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

Could someone who is able to speak the Irish/ Celtic/ Gailic language that Enya
uses for her lyrics please translate some of them for me?  Would you mind
posting them here, or to the alt.enya news group??

I have been trying for quite some time now to get transations, but no one has
made any translations...   

Many people have asked me if I have had any luck though, and I would like to
be able to send them something...

I realise that it is definately a lot of work for you, and some of the lyrics
are in Latin, but could someone reading this please lend a hand?

Thanks in advance,-- 
                    
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Any simularities to the persons or names mentioned above are completely 
non-coincedental if I intended them to be so!
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Irish shows on TLC
Date: 15 Nov 1992 20:29:43 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Distribution: na
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

[I thot somebody posted about this before, but as I can't find the
posting, I'll do it again.]

TLC, a cable channel which some of you may get, has quite a lot
of Irish-related shows on TV this week; they're on the evening
listings in my area (which means I can't see them) but some 
may be rebroadcasted next weekend if my memory of the other posting
is correct.  The descriptions of the shows in the TV guides I have
are pretty sketchy but some appear to be about archaelogical/historical
issues (Viking invasion, Celts) others are about "waterways", &
some are cultural.
From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Collies and Kilts
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:04:20 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <BxsGt3.KKH@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's)) writes:
>
Can't help you withj the dogs, but the farms are still swarming with
them so I'm sure someone can help you..

>Secondly, does anyone know what colours the kilts and tartans are
>for the Eliot clan?  I've recently had a short conversation
>with my grandma, and she said that there is/was and Elliot clan
>that came down from the Highlands.  Also, if you know that clan
>Symbol that would be great!  

There is an Elliot tartan but IMHO it's a Stuart-Sobieskii one
( regular netters will know who they were) and not of any great
antiquity.

From memory, it has a dark blue ( but not as dark as navy blue)
background. I think it has 3 or 4 broad brown stripes crossing the blue
and a red line boxing in the crosses of the brown stripes.

Of course, I may be remembering something totally different. It's
definately blue though.


M

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From: fred@cc.ysu.edu (Fred Ullom)
Subject: Re: Collies and Kilts
Organization: Youngstown State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:53:18 GMT

saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's)) writes:
: 
: 
: Secondly, does anyone know what colours the kilts and tartans are
: for the Eliot clan?  I've recently had a short conversation
: with my grandma, and she said that there is/was and Elliot clan
: that came down from the Highlands.  Also, if you know that clan
: Symbol that would be great!  
:     

James D. Scarlett writes that "the Elliot tartan is of ancient origin but
has never been shown to have Highland Association".

The Elliot tartan is predominantly a middle to light blue with an overcheck
of red and an overcheck of Maroon. Specifically, the weaving sett is:

R B Mn B
2 6 8  32

-Fred

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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Ireland's first condom shop
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:45:14 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

I see in the local Sunday paper that the first condom shop
in Ireland has opened in Dublin in the Temple Bar area (hope
I have that more or less right -- this is from memory and
I've never been in Dublin).

Previously, the article said, condoms could only be
purchased in pharmacies, but a recent change in Irish law
has made sales of condoms in another venue possible.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Collies and Kilts
Date: 20 Nov 92 01:36:19 GMT
Organization: Not Philips.

In refd article, esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>The only thing that is Scotch is whiskey.  Everything else is
>either Scottish or Scot's. This is a great way to antagonize
>a Scot.

Oh dear, cough, not quite, Evelyn.

"Whiskey" is _never_ Scotch.  Now _whisky_ is a different matter completely.

BTW, other things that can be "Scotch", are "tomatoes", "beef", "broth",
"eggs", etc.  and of course "mist".

Why "Scot's" BTW, just Scots.
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From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Collies and Kilts
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:13:48 GMT

[Marla Belzowski writes:]
>>Secondly, does anyone know what colours the kilts and tartans are
>>for the Eliot clan?  I've recently had a short conversation
>>with my grandma, and she said that there is/was and Elliot clan
>>that came down from the Highlands.  Also, if you know that clan
>>Symbol that would be great!  

[Morna J. Findlay answers:]
>	There is an Elliot tartan but IMHO it's a Stuart-Sobieskii one
>(regular netters will know who they were) and not of any great antiquity.
>	From memory, it has a dark blue ( but not as dark as navy blue)
>background. I think it has 3 or 4 broad brown stripes crossing the blue
>and a red line boxing in the crosses of the brown stripes.
>	Of course, I may be remembering something totally different. It's
>definately blue though.

Good description....good memory:
   Blue background, a set of 2 broad brown stripes which have a small
   red stripe running between them, which does box nicely in the cross
   of brown stripes, as Morna remembers.

(I love having Internet access in the library....)

Robert Bain's _The Clans and Tartans of Scotland_ indicates:
Elliot:
  Clansmen's Crest: A dexter cubit arm in armour, erect, in
    hand a broadsword, proper.
  Motto:  Braviter et recte (Bravely and with right).
  Old Motto:  Soyez Sage (Be wise).

"The Elliots are a Border clan, although many of the family, it is
alleged, took their name from the village Eliot in Forfarshire.  The 
Elliots of Lariston were the principal family from which most of the 
other families descended.  The Elliots of Stobs orginated in the 16th
century and in 1666 Gilbert Elliot of Stobs was created a baronet of
Nova Scotia...."  [biographies deleted]

The arms: (as best as I can tell from Bain) (and I'll do this in 
   English, instead of heraldic terms...)  Red (gules), (on a bend
   engraled or) a stripe going from upper left to lower right, gold,
   with edges like drawings waves on the ocean, (a baton of the field)
   a red baton -- with white/silver tips, (which I don't know how to
   describe in heraldic terms).  
(Most of the Heraldic encyclopedias list the personal arms of a series
of Elliots, so you can take this picture from Bain as you wish.)

Hope that helps!

Eilidh Swan
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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: young Picard
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:25:06 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <1992Nov19.173908.27691@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Jessica Raine) writes...
>	Many thanks to the people who responded to my query about the accent
>used by the actor who played the adolescent Jean-Luc Picard. I liked his
>accent a whole lot--it sounded almost musical. And yeh, theoretically a
>young Picard might have been speaking French, but the vast amount of
>ST:TNG watchers would not have understood what he was saying. Besides, one
>might assume that by the time ST:TNG is supposed to take place, it is
>common for kids in France to speak fluent English.
>					Jess

Particularly since they don't speak French
(See my earlier posting in this thread)

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