HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren)
Subject: Re: Bir mani (folk song)
Keywords: Biyik
Reply-To: ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:57:40 GMT

In article <Dec.21.15.53.11.1992.16536@pilot.njin.net> hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.151507.23598@ulrik.uio.no> suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Dec20.115305.10338@news.columbia.edu>,
>> ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren) writes:
>> > Kaya kayaga bakar, kayadan seller akar.
>> > Sirma miyik turganda, chort sakalga kim karar?
>> 	Turkce'si:
>> 	Kaya kayaya bakar, kyadan seller akar.
>> 	Sirma biyik dururken, kose sakala (tuysuze) kim bakar/(karar kilar)?
>> 
>> 	Bu dogru cevirimi acaba?
>
>
>"Karar" is "bakar". I think "chort" means direct, or short cut
>or in some cases, short, as in chort burun.

I think "chort" means grey. I am not sure because there is no available Crimean Tatar dictionary (at least I'm not aware of).
>
>It could be a borrowing but I'm not sure.

That is possible. I don't know what you have in mind but if you are thinking of Russian "chort=devil" or "chert=line" are not possible from the overall 
meaning. 
>
>
>BTW, the 'g' in kayaga and turganda is really 'gh' and not
>yumusak-g.

This is correct. Sorry for not paying attention to these kind of minor details.

Hurmetler,
Nermin 
>-- 
>
>	mark	
>
>
>   hubey@pilot.njin.net                   hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
> ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey                  hubey@logos.montclair.edu
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: TV program about TR (repeat)
Date: 30 Dec 1992 18:41:26 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

One of our members was inquiring about the following programs:

                        "INSIDE  TURKEY"

CO-PRODUCERS:  "WWOR-TV,  Channel 9 in New York" and "Terminal Television

CONTENT
        INSIDE TURKEY is a cultural journey, a compelling, one-hour
document on Turkish culture and tourism.  INSIDE TURKEY will
feature the proud people, rich culture, heritage, and history of
this ancient land of contrasts and contradictions; a cultural
bridge where Eastern mystique mixes with Western convenience,
viewers will discover a country steeped in traditions, but filled
with many modern conveniences.

   For the first time, we'll take American viewers along on an
exhilarating primetime journey of discovery;

        from the panoramic mountain vistas of Mt. Nimrod,
           to the lush turquoise waters of the Mediterranean ocean...
        from a blue voyage
           to a Turkish bazaar...
                 Cool courtyards, and a warm smile...

Turkey is unmatched as an international tourist destination...

SCHEDULE:
1st run  :  Thursday, Jan. 21, 1993    9:00-10:00 PM
2nd run  :  Sunday,   Jan. 24, 1993    8:00- 9:00 PM

COMMERCIALS

Between Dec. 28, 1992 - Jan. 24, 1993
-------------------------------------

INSIDE TURKEY vignettes.
Each seconds vignette includes:
20-seconds: Feature about Turkey
10-seconds: Sponsor identification
$3,750 each

On Jan.. 21, 1993 & Jan. 24, 1993
--------------------------------
30-seconds prime time commercial $7,500 each
Totally 24 minutes (12-minutes * 2 runs) commercial time

For information on how to advertise and program description on
"INSIDE TURKEY, a cultural journey", please contact
                ROBERT FRENCH
                VP Marketing for WWOR-TV
                9 Broadcast Plaza
                Secaucus, New Jersey 07096
                        Tel: (201) 330-3790

==================================================================
From: erkam@acadia.Kodak.COM (Yusuf Murat Erkam)
Subject: Basketbol (12/22) 
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 19:21:47 GMT


Basketbol Avrupa Kupalari (last update 12/22/92)
=========================

Kupa Galipleri Kupasi
---------------------
Yari Final Grubu:

11/24/92	Efes Pilsen - Smelt Olympija (Slovenya)         : 69-52

12/01/92	Broceni Riga (Letonya) - Efes Pilsen		: 72-93

12/08/92	Zaragosa (Ispanya) - Efes Pilsen		: 63-65

12/15/92	Efes Pilsen - CSKA Moscow (Rusya)		: 85-82

12/23/92 	Hapoel Tel Aviv (Israil) - Efes Pilsen		: 

	Puan Durumu     0 G M P
	1.Efes Pilsen	4 4 0 8

6 takimli grupta Efes Pilsen na-maglup lider durumda. Lig usulu
oynanan maclar bittikten sonra grup birincisi ile ikincisinin
oynayacagi 3 maclik bir seri ve daha sonra diger grubun seri galibi ile
5 maclik Avrupa Kupa Galipleri Kupasi Finali oynanacak.

Korac Kupasi 
------------
Yari Final Grubu:

11/24/92	Charleroi (Belcika) - Fenerbahce		: 80-75

12/01/92	Clear Cantu (Italya) - Fenerbahce		: 97-80

12/08/92	Fenerbahce - KK Dinamo Zagrep (Hirvatistan)	: 77-64

12/16/92	Fenerbahce - Charleroi (Belcika)		: 75-70

01/06/93	Fenerbahce - Clear Cantu (Italya)		:

01/13/93	KK Dinamo Zagrep (Hirvatistan) - Fenerbahce	:


	Puan Durumu	O G M P
	1.Cantu		4 3 1 7
	2.Fenerbahce	4 2 2 6
	3.KK Zagrep	4 2 2 6
	4.Charleroi	4 1 3 5

13 Ocak'ta bitecek grup maclarindan sonra grup birinci ve ikincisi,
4 takimli lig usulu oynanacak Korac Kupasi Final Grubu'na kalacak.

PS: Basketbol ile ilgili bilgilerin cogu su anda Turkiye'de olan
    Murat Tekalp'ten.....
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:13549 soc.culture.arabic:5885
From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Democratic Principles (Re: Thoughts/discussion
Date: 24 Dec 92 22:10:20 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Dec24.154241.10274@cbfsb.cb.att.com> mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar) writes:

>   As Lotfi Correctly stated, there is no clergy in Islam. There is no such
> thing as sunni Islam and shi`a Islam, there is only one Islam, but there are
> different Muslims and different schools of thought within Islam.

Practically speaking, yes there is and there always was. It's just not
as pervasive (in some ways) as in some of the other religions.


>   This is incorrect. There is no formality to the opinions of these great
> scholars, and there is no requirement to follow any of them. Actually, there
.......
>   The only requirement in Islam is that Muslims who are not qualified to
> make rulings themselves should seek knowledge form those who are.

Are we running around in circles here ?

If there is no requirement to follow any one of them, and if there
is no clergy (which really implies a learned body--jurists) then
who decides (and how is it decided)  who is not qualified to
make rulings and who is qualified to make rulings ?

Can anyone in the street decide who is qualified ? Can anyone on
the net decide that he is qualified?  Suppose Mr. X decides he's
read enough books and he's qualifed to pass his opinions. Who 
decides that he's not qualified ? Does he have to take a test ?
Who gives the test ? Who grades the test ?

And what are these rulings for if 'they' are in the government ? If
they're not in government, then they must still constitute some
kind of an organization that is implicitly accepted by the masses
to be allowed to make rulings. What is the name of this
organization if not the clergy? Is the name of this organization
'The Clergy" or is it 'The Jurists' or is it 'The Ulema'.

If 'they' are in government, then 'they' do explicitly constitute
an organization (i.e. clergy, Ulema, Jurists). 


> >As far as my knowledge is concerned none of the Khalifas was elected 
> >according to the democatic principles, right? So how can you claim that
> >they had full trust of people?   

The first four Caliphs were 'elected' since they were elected by
a 'parliament' of sorts since they implicitly constituted a
representative body of the people.

> Mazen Mokhtar
-- 

	mark	

   hubey@amiga.montclair.edu         hubey@apollo.montclair.edu
   hubey@pilot.njin.net               ...!rutgers!pilot!hubey
From: armagan@sassafras (Armagan Ozdinc)
Subject: Re: Haberler--Milliyet (Tanju'ya hapis cezasi)
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:28:04 GMT

In article <9212230757.AA20276@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>, Guven.Guzeldere%STANFORD.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (hq.ggg) writes:

|>     -Tanju'ya 9 yil hapis cezasi. Agir ceza mahkemesi,
|> Fenerbahceli milli fut bolcu Tnju Colak'i, yurda kacak
|> otomobil sokmak sucundan 9 yil 4 ay hapis ceza sina
|> carptirdi. Mahkeme ayrica 5 milyar 405 milyon liralik para
|> cezasina hukmet ti. Kesin karari Yargitay verecek.

Bakalim gorecegiz adalet ne kadar yerini buluyor Turkiye'de. Malum bizim
ulkede sohretler her zaman adaletin pencesinden kacmayi basarmislardir.
Turkiye'de artik hukuk sisteminin islerlik kazandiginin bir gostergesi
olarak Tanju'nun hapis cezasini cekmesi lazim. Bu da futbolumuzun diger
sohretlerine ders olur ki birden neydin ne oldum havasina girmekten
kurtulurlar. Iste Amerika'da eski agir siklet boks sampiyonu Mike Tyson
hapis cezasini cekiyor, kimse onun dunya sampiyonluguna falan aldirmadi.
 
----------------------------------------------------------------
 ARMAGAN A. OZDINC
 Paramax Systems, Valley Forge Labs, Research and Development
________________________________________________________________
From: z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Import/Export research
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:55:11 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Hello all,

	We are doing research on various items that international countries
would be interested in exporting and importing.  The items can consist of
anything from clothing to large machines.  Of course, they must be a legal
product to enter and exit the different countries.  These are some questions 
that we are trying to find the answers to:
 
1.) How would we gather information concerning the legal regulations on
	shipping to or from Turkey? 

2.) Who would an individual contact in that country about shipping
	requirements?  

3.) What kind of licences or paper work does a company need to enter
	that foreign market place?


I really would appreciate any help concerning this matter.  Thank you very
much for your time and hope to hear from you soon.




Sincerely,


Ron Ables

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Internet Addresses:
			z_ablesrl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
       			    
				   or
			   
			   sfa1@jetson.uh.edu

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.history
From: mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mazen Mokhtar)
Subject: Re: Thoughts/discussion with Mark Hubey
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:42:41 GMT

Assalamu `alaykum,

In article <20207.2b39289e@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:
>Wrong.  Clergy is very important pillar of Shia Islam and even of sunni Islam. 

  As Lotfi Correctly stated, there is no clergy in Islam. There is no such
thing as sunni Islam and shi`a Islam, there is only one Islam, but there are
different Muslims and different schools of thought within Islam.

>In essence it is similar to sunnis who are required to follow either Abu
>Hanifa, or Shafai, or Malik, or Hanbal.

  This is incorrect. There is no formality to the opinions of these great
scholars, and there is no requirement to follow any of them. Actually, there
are more schools of thought than these four, but these four are the most
influential and the most respected. A Muslim can chose to follow the opinion
of one of these scholars in general, or not. I for one do not consider
myself a member of any one school of thought, but I listen to the opinions
of these scholars for the great guidance they provide.

  Was Muhammad a Shafi`i or a Hanbali? How about Omar and Abu Bakr?

  The only requirement in Islam is that Muslims who are not qualified to
make rulings themselves should seek knowledge form those who are.

>But I still do not know which Khalifa was democratically elected.
>As far as my knowledge is concerned none of the Khalifas was elected 
>according to the democatic principles, right? So how can you claim that
>they had full trust of people?   

  But they were chosen according to Islamic principles, which is better. There
were no competing candidates slinging mud at each other, but they did have a
mandate from the people (bay`ah) and people's approval was sought and
obtained. The story of how Abu Bakr became Khalifa is the most famous
example of such a process. More formal was the selection of `Uthman.

>Just look at the worsening condition of shias in Afghanistan?  Hikmatyar
>and Younis Khalis are bent on destroying them.  Shias in Afghanistan are
>battling for their life against forces of these candidates of khilafat

  I am sorry, but in the case of Afghanistan, it is now clear that the
Hizb Al-Wahdat made many mistakes. They initiated every battle in which
they were involved against other Mujahideen.

  Please understand that this is not an attacks against shi`a. I am not one
to cause division among Muslims. There is a disagreement in opinion between
us and them, but they are still part of Islam until they openly rebel. My
criticism in only against Hizb Al-Wahdat.


Assalamu `alaykum,

Mazen Mokhtar
From: erkin@nynexst.com (Erkin Cubukcu)
Subject: Re: English Courses
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 16:46:06 GMT

Thank you very much for all the responses I received with regard to
the English courses. As I mentioned before I will compile them and
write to the student who requsted this info from me.

 
-- 
Erkin Cubukcu                          Ph#:     (914) 644-2876
NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.       Fax#:    (914) 644-2237
500 Westchester Ave. Rm# 2G-16B        e-mail:  erkin@nynexst.com
White Plains, NY 10604
From: ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren)
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Reply-To: ne10@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Nermin  Eren)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 12:51:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.115401.23868@ulrik.uio.no> suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci) writes:
>Bay{an}lar, Turkiye'de duyduguma gore yeni yil kutlanirken
>insanlar karsilikli hediyeler verirlermis sevdiklerine, dogrumu?

Genellikle dogru. Ozellikle sehirlesmis bolgelerde insanlar sevdiklerine 
hediye verirler.

>
>Bu aynen hristiyan alemindeki noel bayramini animsatiyor.
>Noel Isa'nin dogumunu kutluyor. Ben simdi merak ediyorum
>%96 si musluman olan Turkiye'de isanin dogumunu kutlayanlar
>bu isi bilincli olarakmi yapiyorlar yoksa 'Avrupali takinmak' icinmi?

Hristiyanlar Hz.Isa'nin dogum gununu 25 Aralikta kutlarlar. Bizimkisi yeni 
bir yilin baslangicidir. Hz.Isa'nin dogum gunu ile bir alakasi yok. Bazi 
insanlar buna 'Avrupa ozentisi' diyor. Bizler dini bayramlarimizda da 
sevdiklerimize, saydiklarimiza hediyeler veririz. Yalniz yeni yilda degil.
Lutfen cevaplar buraya, zaten 400'un ustunde okunmamis mail'im var

>
>Selam getirmisem
>Suleyman
>
>--
>				"Yurtta sulh cihanda sulh"
>					M. Kemal Ataturk

Hurmetlerimle,

Nermin
From: mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu)
Subject: Re: Announcement of a List on Natural Language Processing In Tur
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Rochester
Date: 28 Dec 92 13:59:24


I hope this got posted to the more appropriate newsgroups too.  Lately I have 
been noticing that the Turkish people on the net tend to use s.c.t. as if
it were the only newsgroup (i.e. test messages, announcements of technical 
mailing lists, broad questions about religion etc. all show up here when they
could at least be cross posted to the more approipriate places), I don't know 
if this is the case for other s.c. newgroups, but I thought I'd point it out.

BM

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: sbookey@ep.ieee.org (Seth Bookey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Traditional and historical Armenian barbaris
Date: 23 Dec 92 22:00:31 GMT
Reply-To: sbookey@ep.ieee.org
Organization: IEEE, New York, NY


WHY exactly is this on the Bosnian bulletin board?  It's all about Turkey and Armenia.  I thought there would be some recent news on what is

happening now.
From: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de (Birol Akdemir)
Subject: Tanjua 9 yil Hapis !
Reply-To: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Elektrotechnik, Univ. Hannover
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:15:58 GMT

Gunaydin, iyi Aksamlar ( her neyse) :-)))
Ya,ya dogru okudunuz ! Fener'de oynayan Tanju Colaka 9 yil hapis.
Bide 5 000 000 000 TL. ceza. 
Niye?
Cunku Tanju Almanyadan kacak bir buyuk modell araba(Mercedes) getirdi icin!
(Booooohhhh)
Tanju'nun ve Fenerin hayati kaydi.
Canki bir insan oldurmus gibi bir ceza!



---
Birol Akdemir
Adress :
e-mail: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de
"Hey Soctty beam me up!"
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Soccer results
Date: 21 Dec 1992 02:40:02 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

    Results of Turkish first division soccer matches
    played over the weekend:

    Genclerbirligi 0    Besiktas        0
    Karsiyaka      0    Kocaelispor     4
    Kayserispor    0    Fenerbahce      3
    Bakirkoyspor   2    Bursaspor       1
    Gaziantepspor  1    Trabzonspor     2
    Sariyer        4    Aydinspor       1
    Konyaspor      2    Altay           2
    Galatasaray    3    Ankaragucu      0

                        P      W   D    L     GF   GA     Pts
    Kocaelispor         14    10   2    2     39   13     32
    Fenerbahce          15     9   3    3     38   17     30
    Galatasaray         14     9   3    2     26    9     30
    Besiktas            15     8   6    1     29   13     30
    Trabzonspor         15     8   6    1     26   10     30
    Bursaspor           15     7   3    5     25   21     24
    Ankaragucu          15     6   2    7     24   22     20
    Sariyer             15     5   4    6     19   23     19
    Bakirkoyspor        15     5   3    7     24   24     18
    Altay               15     5   3    7     17   24     18
    Genclerbirligi      15     4   5    6     19   27     17
    Kayserispor         15     2   7    6     14   21     13
    Aydinspor           15     3   4    8     11   26     13
    Gaziantepspor       15     3   3    9     15   30     12
    Karsiyaka           15     2   6    7     15   31     12
    Konyaspor           15     0   6    9     13   43      6
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu)
Subject: Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:27:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.115401.23868@ulrik.uio.no> suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci) writes:
>Bay{an}lar, Turkiye'de duyduguma gore yeni yil kutlanirken
>insanlar karsilikli hediyeler verirlermis sevdiklerine, dogrumu?
>
>Bu aynen hristiyan alemindeki noel bayramini animsatiyor.
>Noel Isa'nin dogumunu kutluyor. Ben simdi merak ediyorum
>%96 si musluman olan Turkiye'de isanin dogumunu kutlayanlar
>bu isi bilincli olarakmi yapiyorlar yoksa 'Avrupali takinmak' icinmi?
>
>Lutfen cevaplar buraya, zaten 400'un ustunde okunmamis mail'im var
>
>Selam getirmisem
>Suleyman
>
>--
>				"Yurtta sulh cihanda sulh"
>					M. Kemal Ataturk

According to Quran, Isa (Jesus) is also a prophet of God. I do not think
there is anything wrong with "celebrating" his birthday. Besides, in the
Western world, majority of the people do not see Christmas strictly 
religious. Christmas is the day you give your loved ones a present symbolizing
that you care about them and you love them. So, majority of Turks chose the 
New Year's day for this purpose. 

However, there is a definite influence from the Western world on the choice of
this day. BUT, there is absolutely nothing wrong in being influenced by our 
neighbors as long as we preserve our fundamental cultural and religious 
characteristics which entitle us as being classified as "Turks".

NOTE: The word "religious" in the last sentence is meant to refer to Muslim
      Turks. Although majority of Turkish people are Muslims, I have friends
      who are Jewish, Christian and atheist. I do NOT think that religion is 
      a factor in calssifying an ethnic background.

Yeni Yiliniz Kutlu Olsun.

E.T.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp)
Subject: ISLAMi HAREKETiN TEROR YONU
Organization: University of Dakota, School of Engineering
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 06:54:08 GMT


   Taraf Dergisi, No: 13

   Selim Gurselgil, sayfa 17:

   ``Islamci militan tavir: (.....) Metot olarak halk ihtilalini secen,
     veya secmek zorunda kalan, bir orgut, kitlelerle butunlesmeyi
     saglayici bir propoganda (evrim) donemine ihtiyac duyar. Buna
     "Birikim donemi" diyenler de vardir ki, ihtilal hareketi bu donemin
     beklenen kivama ulasmasiyla girilen donemdir. Propoganda, gizli veya
     acik, fikri veya silahli ve bunlarin hepsi bir arada olmak biciminde
     yapilabilir. Fikri bazda duzenin prensiplerine uyar gorunen bir acik
     propogandanin, ihtilal asamasi icin mutlaka gizli ve silahli bir
     propogandayla desteklenmesi gerekir. Bu terore varirmis, bundan anarsi
     dogarmis (.....) gercekten bir "yeni dunya-yeni insan" projesine
     sahip orgutler icin bu tur durumlardan kacinmanin yeri yoktur."

 Islam baska, Islamci hareket baskadir. Turkiye'de yorumlandigi sekliyle
 kisisel olan, toplumsal geleneklere yerlesmis ve Turk toplumunun kultur
 yapisi icinde yorumlanmis Islam dini, Islamci hareketle birlikte devrimsel bir
 nitelik kazanmaya baslamistir. Son yillarda Iran ve Suudi Arabistan'in
 destegiyle guclenen ve propaganda calismalarini surduren Islamci hareket,
 propoganda asamasindadir ve teror eylemleriyle, suikastlerle kendini
 gostermeye baslamistir. Bu gidisin 85%'ini ilimli, kisisel muslumanlarin 
 olusturdugu Turk toplumunda calkantilara yol acacagi acikca belli 
 olmaktadir.

saygilarimla
------------
kaya
From: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de (Birol Akdemir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Almanyada isik sincirleri
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:17:45 GMT
Reply-To: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de
Organization: Institut f. Theoretische Elektrotechnik, Univ. Hannover

Bonjour !
Gecen hafta sonu (20.12.92) degisik Almanyadaki sehirlerinde
yabanci dusmaligna ve nazilere karis isik sincirleri yapildi.
Her katilan kisi bir mum, fener,..
getirdi ve butun sehirler mum isiklariyla aydinlandi.
Ben Hannover'de ki isik sincirine katildim ve 100000 kisiley
yuruduk. Umut veren seyde bu: Cogu katilanlar genclerdi.
Hoscakalin
            Adieu
                      Birol



---
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Adress :
e-mail: bakd@tet.uni-hannover.de
"hey Scotty beam me up"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast