HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Beta newsreader feedback?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: U. Munk's private BBS
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 00:51:59 GMT

Bob Hemedinger (bob@dalek.mwc.com) wrote:
: The beta installable news has been available on mwcbbs for a short time
: now, it has been forwarded to Jay Beavers for posting at raven and also
: to Udo Munk. Has anyone been able to look at this yet. To this point, there
: has been NO feedback on it.

Sorry Bob, I have been very busy....

I've installed the beta on a system without problems. I couldn't feed this
system with real news (because I haven't another feed), but it works fine
with the test batches you have added to the distribution, great idea!

Some hints:
The install procedure doesn't create an expire entry in crontab and says,
it must done by the user. IMHO it would be better to add expire into
crontab with it's 14 day default. Some users don't read manuals, and the
news system would fill up their root partition until the system crashes
because out of disk space.

Please substitute the nroff manuals with the versions that formats under
Coherent. If you don't have them handy please let me know, and I'll mail
them to you.

Good idea to put c.o.c, c.o.l and c.o.m into the active file, but the
newsgroups file should have additional entrys. I guess the original
newsgroups file with all the German eunet groups isn't very interesting
and readable for users in the US. Not a great problem because tass and
vn doesn't use the newsgroups file, but tin shows the informations.

I would say after this changes everyone should be able to setup her/his
Coherent as a news site with this installable distribution.
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From: jparadis@fraclit.login.qc.ca (Jerome Paradis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: elm.zip download problems
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:04:21 GMT
Organization: Paradivision, Montreal, Quebec

In article <1992Oct1.172035.6@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu>, celliot@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu writes:
>I have attempted to download elm.zip found in the 386 folder at
>the ftp raven site without any success.
>
>The file will start to download but it appears to hang at about

I've had the same problem too. I didn't find a solution to download it passed
the point where it hangs.  But, you can go in the directory 
/pub/coherent/sources32  where you can find the files elm.zip.a? which are
50K each. Download all those files and do a cat elm.zip.a? > elm.zip
It should work and you will find an already compiled and linked elm that works
great.

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 17:14:00 +0100
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Subject: DOS 5 - OS/2 2.0 - Coh 4.0, without Bootmanager
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG* 

Hello!

Some time ago, I wrote here my problem down concerning DOS 5,
OS/2 2.0 and Coherent 4.0 and booting it only with Coherents
Masterboot.

First of all, thanx to all who answered me too this problem.

Finally, I found the solution: (With some hints, but especially
from the read.me file, which can be read, when OS/2 is installed.
Even the german IBM OS/2 Hotline didn`t know a solution....)

If you wanna install OS/2 2.0 in a partition only for OS/2 (so
HPFS can be used - be sure to have > 4mb memory), and you wanna
boot OS/2 with the coherent Masterboot (and not OS/2 own Bootmanager)
you have to install OS/2 in the very first partition of the disk
(i.e. C:).  THIS does not concern DUALBOOT installation.


There is (imho) only a hint this way in the read.me file that comes
with OS/2, and which is readable after installation.

If someone has trouble with it, just drop a mail

see `ya
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Lambo/Rudi                     >>> internet: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de <<<
~~~~~

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From: bay@eosdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov (John Bay)
Subject: Re: Some Questions about coh.
Keywords: the cock crows at noon.
Reply-To: bay@eosdev1.gsfc.nasa.gov (John Bay 
Organization: NASA/GSFC, Code 935
Distribution: comp.os.coherent
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:35:08 GMT

In article <Bvnrqv.Jp0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (O.K. I'm Jon) writes:
>...is anyone running >coherent with Stacker on their drive?  i've a 386sx16 
> w/105MB Quantum >Drive & stacker...i was wondering if it [Stac] would give 
> it any problems. 
>
>

The *software* version of Stacker is irrelevant - it has nothing to to with
Coherent partitions.  I run MS-DOS 5.0 with Stacker in one partition and
Coherent 3.2 in a couple of others with no problems.

The *hardware* Stacker might be a different story, though.

							-- John Bay
From: whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: SyQuest Winchester drives and COH
Keywords: syquest removable
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:52:41 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Anyone out there running Coherent either from or with a SyQuest removable
media drive?  I just snagged a 44meg version with 3 cartridges, and wanted
to check around before I stuffed the thing into my Coherent box.  

Horror stories, fairy tales, good news, friendly advice, all welcome.

Thanks,
Bill Whedon   whedon@netcom.com

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: klovatt@klnet.UUCP (Keith Lovatt)
Subject: Re: tin help
Organization: Lugroid Enterprises
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:16:51 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I had similar problems using tin and cnews. The problem was not with
tinitself, but inews and associated scripts that came with cnews. I have
managed to sort (kludge) out the problems, but I would rather have a working
inews. Does anybody know if the inews from wnews will work with cnews?

Keith.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin)
Subject: Re: Beta newsreader feedback?
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:53:55 GMT

In article <87Mu02SK235k01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tpa10@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Thomas P. Anderson) writes:
>Also, I have seen posts here that imply the UUCP that comes with the
>GA Coherent 4.0.1 has problems talking to non-Coherent sites.  Should I
>install the "new" UUCP from mwcbbs before I even begin to try and
>talk to someone besides mwcbbs?
>
	Well...I don't know if the coherent UUCP package could have
gotten worse then the last release, but when I ran Coherent on an
old 286, I only had problems connecting to one site...and he was
running the same OS that I'm running now.  One of the sites that
connects onto to me is running Coherent (2 really) and neither of
them seems to have any problems connecting...and they are running
the stock UUCP

Marc
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From: mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp (Michael Faurot)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: script permissions
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:07:26 GMT
Organization: A.T.W.W.

In article <920929465@tbucks.com> root@tbucks.com (Timothy E. Buchanan) writes:
>I wrote a one-line script, echo '\007'. It generates a beep, of course, at
>least it did from the command line. I did a chmod +x, leaving it
>-rwxr-xr-x, owner root. I named it 'test'.

There's the problem right there--naming the program "test".  Coherent/Unix
unlike MSDOS does not typically search your current working directory before
searching the PATH variable.  The normal behaviour is to search through
the directories defined in PATH and will only search the current working
directory if you've added "." to it.  The problem is that you're finding
the Unix "test" program in /bin first, and not your own. 

In general try to avoid naming your test programs "test".  Instead pick
a name like "sh.test" or "my.test" or something else to avoid this.  Another
approach is to do "./test" or "./sh.test" which will cause your shell to
look in your current working directory first.
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From: ag510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven Sobol)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: HS modems / Coh UUCP 4.02
Date: 5 Oct 1992 18:32:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ag510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven Sobol)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I need help from people with high-speed (specifically V.32bis) modems.
I can run my BocaModem 14.4K at 2400 baud with no errors, but not at 9600
or 19.2K. I get transmission errors and finally a message that Coh. UUCP
'cannot read packet' after which it hangs up. I am running the modem in
polled mode since I had trouble getting it to work in interrupt mode,
and I'm thinking that either

1. my slow 16mhz computer is dropping characters from the serial port, or

2. my modem is not really running at the speed at which it should be running
   because error correction or data compression is enabled. I want to test
   9600 first with no error correction or compression, but I'm not sure how
   to.

Please, if you have had experience setting up 14.4Kbaud modems with Coherent
4, let me know what I'm doing wrong. I can send you uucico logs if necessary.

I'm running uucico 4.02 (from uusecure.tar.Z on mwcbbs).

Thanks
Steve

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: ZMAN v1.1 available
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:40:50 GMT

In article <9210041729.09@phzzzt.uucp> mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp (Michael Faurot) writes:
>A week or so ago I posted asking for assistance on how to distribute some
>software I've written, as I haven't received any replies I'll ask again.


I tried to mail you (maybe others did as well?) but it bounced.

>I've put together a plug-in replacement for the stock man program that
>comes with Coherent v4.X that allows you to compress all of your man
>pages.  As I have previously seen articles saying that sources shouldn't
>be posted here--what's the procedure?  I don't think this really fits well
>into the normal "unix" source newsgroups as this is not designed to be portable
>to other Unix platforms and is designed to work specifically with Coherent.
>
>Anyone interested in this please send e-mail and I'll mail you a copy while
>I'm getting this sorted out.  Thanks.

If you can get access to a ftp machine, you can ftp a tar.Z file to
raven.alaska.edu.  If you can't do that, I would appreciate a copy.

Harry

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: adding new user
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: U. Munk's private BBS
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 01:11:16 GMT

Patrick White (patbob@sequent.com) wrote:
: In article <920925489@tbucks.com> root@tbucks.com (Timothy E. Buchanan) writes:
: >Is there any difference between using the newusr command to add a user, and
: >simply editing the /etc/paswd file to include a new user (so long as the
: >format is correct)?
: 
: 	On most Unix machines I've worked with, this is just fine as long
: as nobody is using some other command to that changes the passwd file (eg.
: using passwd to change their password).  If the two should try to write the
: passwd file at the same time, bad things happen (I've seen it happen.. believe
: me, it's.. well.. interesting.. they had to fetch a copy of the passwd file
: from another machine -- they were fortunate to have several machines with
: identical enough passwd files and a root window lying around to install it
: with).

Hm, how about a backup of /etc/passwd? The backup script which I've posted
here in the past copys all system files like /etc/passwd onto a single
floppy disk.

: 	Some (BSD?) versions of Unix have a vipw command.. this uses the same
: password locking mechanism that the passwd command uses, allowing one to edit
: the passwd file safely.  I haven't looked to see if Coherent has such a
: command yet.

No it hasn't.

: 	I tend to live dangerously myself.. as long as nobody else is on the
: machine, I go at the passwd file with vi.. else I look up and use the proper
: command.

I'm not living very dangerously, because I'm using my own script ;-)

Other differences between using newusr and editing /etc/passwd:
Newusr adds the new user also into /etc/group. I don't have tried what
happens, if you don't add a news user also to /etc/group and he has no
group at all.
Newusr creates a mailbox in /usr/spool/mail for the new user, if you
forget to add the mailbox manually, this new user can't get mail.
Newusr creates a .profile with `export MAIL=/usr/spool/mail/new_user'
in $HOME of the new user. Because I also create new users manually,
I've moved this into /etc/profile, and removed it from $HOME/.profile
of the users.

Here my /etc/profile:

: /etc/profile 07/14/92
: Executed at login for all users.
umask 022
export PAGER=less
export PATH=:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin
export LOGNAME=$USER
export HZ=100
export MAIL=/usr/spool/mail/$USER
MYTERM=`tty`
MYTERM=`basename $MYTERM`
case $MYTERM in
	mono0 | mono1 | mono2 | mono3 | console)
		export TERM=ansipc;;
	com2r)
		export TERM=vt100;;
	com3l)
		export TERM=altos;;
esac
. /etc/timezone

Also the `auto detect stuff' for the right terminal in $TERM may be
interesting for some of you.
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From: olaf@kwcom.in-berlin.de (Olaf Matthaei)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: DRDOS and Coherent
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:55:39 GMT
Organization: Communication KWH Germany,KW

dtodd@titan.ucc.umass.edu (David M. Todd) writes:
> 
> Does Coherent co-exist OK with DRDOS?
> 
With DR-DOS 6.0 - yes

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From: Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: See Me?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 08:19:07 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/1110.1 - Flying High!, Marietta OH

Ricardo Landrau of 1:226/20 wrote to All of 1:226/1110.1
on <Sep 23 at 20:02>

 RL> From: Ricardo.Landrau@f28.n367.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Ricardo Landrau)
 RL> Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent 
 RL> Organization: FidoNet node 1:367/28 - The Island Wolf, Carolina PR

 RL> Sorry to bother every one with an anoying test but does anybody see my 
 RL> mail???  Else I'll cancel de newsgroup.. BTW: I'm a coherent user and 
 RL> licensed owner.

 RL> Ricardo Landrau
 RL> Fidonet 1:367/28.0
 RL> Carolina Puerto Rico

 RL> --  
 RL> Internet: Ricardo.Landrau@f28.n367.z1.FIDONET.ORG
 RL> UUCP: ...!myrddin!tct!psycho!367!28!Ricardo.Landrau
 RL> Note:psycho is a free gateway between Usenet & Fidonet. For info write to
 RL>      root@psycho.fidonet.org.

 RL> -!- Fred-Uf 1.8k
 RL>  ! Origin: cmhGate UseNet <=> FidoNet Gateway Col, Ohio (1:226/20.0)

 I see you and I use 1:226/20 as my gateway...

                       Bret Johnson

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From: mfaurot@phzzzt.uucp (Michael Faurot)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Path File & UUCP Maps
Keywords: pathalias maps
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:47:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: A.T.W.W.

In article <34-PCNews-124beta@n8hsp.ncoast.org> tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org writes:
>
>Is there any utility for Coh 4.0.1 that will read the UUCP Maps
>and generate a 'path' file accordingly?
>

Haven't tried it under Coherent, but unpackmaps ought to do the trick. 
If you can't get the latest version to compile, the older version is done
in Bourne Shell.  You'll also need to get yourself a copy of Peter Honeyman's
pathalias program as well.
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: WORDSTAR CLONE
Date: 13 Sep 92 13:22:53 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

CHAMBLES@usmcp6.bitnet (JOHN CHAMBLESS) writes:
: Udo Monk wrote...
: 
:  -> I can offer DTE (a Wordstar clone) ported to 3.2. I haven't
:  -> compiled
:  -> it under 4.0 yet.
:  ->
: I'd love to get the 3.2 version. I'm not likely to have a
: 386 or better soon.

I've made the port to 4.0 also, now it compiles under 3.x and 4.0.
I've send it to MWC, and today I'll send it to somene, who is so
kind to upload it to raven for me. Under 3.x the program also needs
the terminfo curses, I couldn't get it running with the termcap curses.
The terminfo curses for 3.x is available from MWCBBS.
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: tin
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Udo Munk's private BBS
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 19:18:20 GMT

Kenji Rikitake (kenji@tom.astem.or.jp) wrote:
: Udo Munk (udo@umunk.GUN.de) wrote:
[...]
: : I'm also woundering how tin 1.1 PL6 manages it to create files and
: : directorys with the owner root and the group user without the setuid bit
: : set. If you chown the directorys/files with the wrong owner to the right
: : one after the first call of tin, all runs fine.
: 
: You're right, but it's a bit of hassle to change ownership of directories
: for a non-privileged user.

Yes I know. As far as I remember PL4 hasn't this problem. I'll take a look
at PL4 and PL6 what have been changed to find out where the problem is.

: tin uses pairs of setuid/setgid. On Coherent executing setuid/setgid simply
: fails - I'm trying to find out how setuid()/setgid() are implemented on
: Coherent.

I found this too, but I don't think that it's a problem of Coherent, because
other setuid/setgid programs runs fine. I guess something is wrong with tin.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: SLIP & PPP
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 06:52:02 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:

> warelock@netlink.cts.com (Tom Zacharoff) writes:
>
> : Is there a limit of the number of simultaneous users you can support with 
> : Coherent?
> 
> Sure is there a limit, Coherent 4.0 supports up to 32 serial ports, where
> terminals and modems may be connected, plus one user at the console.
> For 33 users you really should have a very fast system and lots of
> memory.

Out of curiousity, is anyone running Coherent on a large system with 8 or
more serial lines for terminals/modems? If so, I'd be interested in more
details - what sort of CPU you're running, how much RAM, what sort of overall
performance you're getting, etc etc.

						- k
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu ( Hari Seldon     psychohistorian )
Subject: Re: Backup of a Coherent system image - post #2
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:59:53 GMT

In <92100214111@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:

>Patrick Draper (draper@ais.org) wrote:
>[...]
>: I understand how to use tar to get all my files onto diskettes, but how do I
>: make a system diskette that I can use to reinstall the system? Or do I have
>: to re-install Coherent every time?

>I've written a shell script which runs under Coherent 3.x and 4.0 to
>create bootable disks for emergencys. Unfortunateley the disks doesn't
>boot yet :-( Something is missing in my script, is anybody able to
>help out?

not if we don't know what you put on the floppy;-O

so show us what you've got so far (be aware that i'm changing jobs and it 
may take a few days to get back to you.)

bill pociengel
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