From: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Subject: Re: Let me state my view 
Originator: jjprice@c00076-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:17:50 GMT


In article <1993Jan8.025210.9017@Princeton.EDU>, datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) writes:

|>In article <1993Jan7.233902.5458@ncsu.edu>, jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu
|>(JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:
|>
|>> 1. A fetus is a human being were as life begins at conception...you
|>>    can't prove otherwise so it must be true.
|>
|>Have you been to alt.folklore.urban lately? Just wondering. Now prove
|>to me that a fetus is a human being. Go ahead. I'll wait.
|>
My corollary is that you can't prove that a fetus isn't...Are you willing
to kill 1.5 million lives each year just because there is no proof that
they are alive....?

|>> 2. A person has a right to do whatever they wish so long as they don't
|>>    infringe upon another person...now the baby is using the body of
|>>    the mother we can say it may be removed...BUT...this will result
|>>    in the death of the fetus. So the lesser of the 2 evils must be
|>>    followed and the life of the fetus is more imp. than the choice
|>>    of the mother...in the event of life threating situation bla
|>>    bla bla bla... [sorry, I couldn't take it anymore]
|>
|>First off, _why_ is the life of the fetus more important than that of 
|>the mother? That is something that no one has ever satisfactorily
|>explained to me. Secondly, since when is a fetus a person?
|>
Of course you so convienently bla..bla...bla out the part in which I dealt
with the valuse of the mothers life(we see only what we want?) I stated
that when a mothers life is threatened it is a personal choice because
both lives are equal and no one has a "right" to say who lives and who dies.

|>> 3. Conclusion...abortion by todays standards is murder and must seen
|>>    as such with the penalty required by law imposed on both the
|>>    doctor and mother expect in above said case of threatening.
|>
|>The penalty for murder is execution. By your standard, you would send
|>two people to their deaths to save the life of one fetus. At the same
|>time, I've gotten flak for suggesting that we should salvage what we
|>could from an anencephalic baby who will never have a life to speak of
|>and use organ transplants to save five or more already established
|>lives.
|>
I am against the death penalty like a said but where did that go? More
convienent editing? 20 years in prison would do the job.

|>Am I missing something here?
|>
apparently.

|>>    Somalia OK because we are trying to save
|>>    lives even if we do end up killing a few...The same with abortion
|>>    of course a few women will die perfoming illegal abortions but we
|>>    will save many more.
|>
|>So we _can_ save lives if we do end up killing a few. That means we can
|>use that anencephalic baby after all? Thanks! Many organ recipients
|>will cry your name from the rooftops!
|>
Question? is this anencephalic baby on total life support...brain dead..and
have no chance of living off life support you answer is yes.

|>And if we could use fetal tissue to perform medical experiments that
|>could save thousands, nay millions, of lives... are you _sure_
|>you're anti-abortion?
|>
You can use fetal tissue from still-borns or miscarriages provided the 
would have been parents agree...

I said abortion should be illegal...
-- 
-Jeffrey Price
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