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From: Karen.Keil@p0.f809.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Karen Keil)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Actors
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:28:26 GMT
Reply-To: Karen.Keil@p0.f809.n104.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/809.0 - Fantasy Mountain, Golden CO
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25744

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 -=> Quoting Tammy Givens to Laurel Gealt <=-

 TG> Also, I've seen some hearing people be pretty stupid
 TG> when it comes to knowing what "deaf" means. For example,  My husband
 TG> and I were at a bookstore.  I was looking for a bible that I hear
 TG> about that was in english for the deaf.  (kinda like ASL Format)
 TG> Anyway, I ask the salesman about "so-in-so's Bible for the Deaf" and
 TG> he said, "we don't carry books in braille."  I just said fine and
 TG> walked away shaking my head..... I later found the bible.

I'm curious....what Bible for the Deaf were you looking for?  A
text version?  Baker Book House has put out a special English
version called The Holy Bible:  The English Version for the Deaf.
They also put out the very same version entitled:  The Holy
Bible: Easy-to-Read Version.  The English is simple and basic but
it follows English structure, not ASL.

A sample quote:  "The Lord is my shepherd.  I will always have
everything I need.  He lets me lie down in green pastures.  He
leads me by calm pools of water."

If that is not what you were referring to, then please inform me
what it is.

As for the bookseller referring to books in braille for deaf
people---my gosh! That takes the cake!  Personally speaking, I
don't ever recall running across that misconception in my life.
The only misconceptions I ran into regarding deafness were:
     1.  being deaf meant not hearing anything at all, which is
not necessarily true
     2.  being deaf meant I couldn't talk and knew only sign
language.

TG> And the girl
TG> that played sarah with my brother in Children of a Lesser God, said
TG> that she and her friends went to a restaurant (kinda like
TG> CHili's) and were signing as they were walking in.  The
TG> waiter saw this and happily brought them braille menus.  She
TG> signed thank you and promptly ran her ear over the menu.  The
TG> waiter then realize his mistake! So as long as the hearing
TG> actor does not make mistakes like that.... I guess it's okay!

Wished I could have seen that!!!!!

Karen

... "U.S.S. Givens, lower your shields and prepare to be boarded!"
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From: Daniel.Laflin@f98.n374.z1.fidonet.org (Daniel Laflin)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Ttds
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:23:26 GMT
Reply-To: Daniel.Laflin@f98.n374.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:374/98 - The SCAM, Rockledge FL
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
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Index Number: 25711

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

SC>yourself as disabled! DEAFNESS IS CULTURE NOT DISABILITY TO HEALTHY THINKING
SC>DEAF PPL  they do not care for the value of sound and do not need it to have
SC>a  sucessful life. So please be more open to other ppls cultures! ASL IS A

This is PURE rubbish.... Anyone who has any hearing impairment has a Dis
ability,  In this world there is still much that depends on the heard
word, Dont tell me im Not disabled, it is a disability, without sound,
you cannot get a job as a telemarketer or any job that REQUIRES use of a
phone.

Im Deaf, been such since 7, i Grew up in 60s when mainstreaming was
still unheard of, had to fight to get back into public school, went thu
public school, vs hearing prople, I lipread and I consider anyone Deaf
who can ONLY communicate via sign DOUBLE Disabled.

Just how many as a pct of population do you think know Sign?

I consider sign as needed for those born deaf or deaf too early for
speech development, then sign is a good start, however once mastered,
the point should be to get aaway from sign and into lipreading.

As to this Culture Thing... Deaf is a Disability, NOT a culture, im sure
a number here will jump omn me, however, I would not classify Deaf as a
culture, etc...

I dont hear <g>...  Of Blind Culture, Paraplagic Culture, Amputee
Culture... I could go on... Deafness is a DEFECT in a Normal persons
body, and therefore a DISABLITY... your hearings shot, its same as if a
cars Battery was shot...

So spare me from the culture etc thing... I think its a attempt to Hide
from the REAL World.

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From: joep@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Joe Pizzirusso)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Petting Guide Dogs
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:02:52 GMT
Reply-To: joep@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Joe Pizzirusso)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25687

yup...I know the problem. The pattern usually goes during our training:

Is she friendly?

me: Yes. (they start to reach) but please don't pet her, she's working,
	and is responsible for her person's safety.

they usually get it, but some don't..as a trainer I sometimes let the kids
pet so I have them long enough to explain to the kids and their parents why
they can't pet or even attract the dogs attention ever again...usually works.
Then again there are the bozo's who start petting after you ask them not to...
one day I'm gonna get real rude with one of these...

sigh.

joe
From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Educational Materials
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:31:30 GMT
Reply-To: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE
X-Fidonet: Spinal Injury Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25762

[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

In a message to All <04 Nov 92 08:40> Linda Lindsey wrote:

 LL> The Training Office of the Medical Rehabilitation Research and
 LL> Training Center in the Prevention and Treatment of Spinal Cord
 LL> Injury is searching to see what products (books, pamphlets,
 LL> videotapes) are available for both individuals with SCI and for
 LL> health care professionals for use in patient education and staff

Both Craig and Moss have comprehensive handbooks covering all the
aspects dealing with spinal cord injury which are suitable for both
professional and patients.  Afterall, you want your SCI patient
educated to the point where he can manage/supervise his own care.

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From: Jay.Croft@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Jay Croft)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: TTDS
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:25:17 GMT
Reply-To: Jay.Croft@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/421 - Twilight Clone Mac, Rockville MD
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25724

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 > Culture... I could go on... Deafness is a DEFECT in a Normal persons
 > body, and therefore a DISABLITY... your hearings shot, its same as

Well, that's one viewpoint.  My viewpoint is that my hearing is adequate, and
that others have TOO MUCH hearing!

  Jay "I'm not defective!" Croft

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From: Cindy.Barnes@f22.n375.z1.fidonet.org (Cindy Barnes)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Neck pain
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:14:54 GMT
Reply-To: Cindy.Barnes@f22.n375.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:375/22 - Ken's BBS, Montgomery AL
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25859

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

I just thought I would let you know I went into see the doc on
Weds. He gave me an injection into the occipital nerve, which has
deadened the pain cycle I was in. He was going to use cortisone,
but I reminded him that the last time they tried that with me it
had increased the pain, so he used a meds like lidocane. It seems
to be working, since my neck pain has decreased quite a bit. In
fact, I felt so good last night I bowled my a** off. I had my first
500 series! Beat Linda's hubby in the last game by 75 pins. }:-)

Cindy

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From: comoptisyd@peg.apc.org (Andrew Clark)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Computer mediated communication
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:06:58 GMT
Reply-To: comoptisyd@peg.apc.org (Andrew Clark)
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25617

15 November 1992

I have recently been awarded a Churchill Fellowship. This is a
travelling scholarship which allows the recipient to travel
abroad,  to study  his or her  field of interest.

The area I am interested in is computer mediated communication
(CMC) and its use in social welfare.  In particular  the use of CMC
by  different community based  groups  as a tool for community
development  and social change.

I propose to travel to America, Canada and Europe between April and
July 1993, starting on the west coast of America in April and
finishing in Europe.

I am interested in visiting you, or others that you know of, to
discuss what you are doing in this area. If you could be of some
assistance, or know of a group or individual who I could contact,
please let me know.

I look forward to hearing from you shortly.
Andrew Clark.
c/o 158 Lilyfield rd Liechhartd 2040
NSW Australia
Email : comoptisyd@peg.apc.org
Voice : 02 564 2922
From: Isaac.Obie@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org (Isaac Obie)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:53:49 GMT
Reply-To: Isaac.Obie@p0.f460.n101.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:101/460.0 - VI/BUG, Holbrook MA
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25835

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

Hi Brenda, glad I was able to help. Now I am trying to figure something
out. I believe that american Thermoform corporation of commerce city is
selling a device called the KTS. I've seen it. It's quite a device. It's
quite like TSI's 80-cell Navigator with the locators and line locator
buttons. Really fancy. Well, from my reading I believe ATC is selling a
device that's just as good if not better than TSI's 80-cell Navigator
for half the price! The TSI 80-cell navigator is a bit over fourteen
grand. ATC's KTS is seven grand. Why am I telling you this? Just an
observation on my part. I feel that it may or may not be of service to
someone. It's up to the individuals who read this echo to evaluate
information and decide whether it's important or not. I may have more to
say on this in about a month. Stay tuned. same station, same place.
<grin.

Isaac

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From: Stu.Turk@p2.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Stu Turk)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: BRAVO!!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:27:42 GMT
Reply-To: Stu.Turk@p2.f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:129/26.2 - SoundingBoard, Pittsburgh PA
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25739

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 JC> There are also other factors.  Moustaches, smoking, shadows,
 JC> rapidity of speech, accents, fatigue, emotions all affect
 JC> lipreading.

   Add eyesight to the list.

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From: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Carol Ashland)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: Back With Maxine
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:52:25 GMT
Reply-To: Carol.Ashland@p0.f319.n105.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:105/319.0 - Mostly Mail, Aloha OR
X-Fidonet: Blink Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25826

[This is from the Blink Talk Conference]

 -=> Quoting Denise Morris to Walter Siren <=-

 DM> Tell me about your dogs. I'm a wink and I have dogs that I play with,

I don't think most people teach their guide dogs to do any kind of
tricks.  I did teach my first dog to bow though.  She did it all the
time naturally, I just had to get her to do it on command.  she did,
too.  When she got older she couldn't do it any more though.  It's best
not to pet guide dogs when they're working, but if you were to come to
my home, you'd be hard put to it to get rid of Sony.  He is such an
attention sponge!  He is convinced that everyone comes to the house
specifically to see him.  The trouble is, people reinforce that idea
<grin>.

They use shepherds, Labradors, Golden Retrievers, and some schools use
cross-breeds of some breeds.  They don't use smaller dogs though,
because they have to be able to pull into the harness.  Also, the
person must be able to reach the harness handle easily.  If they used
smaller dogs, the harness handle would have to be longer than the dog
<grin>!  I can just see it now ...

I did hear of one person who taught his dog to carry her own little
suitcase.  She must have made quite the entrance when she entered a
                          hotel.

I'm sure you will hear from others on this topic.  I think a lot of us
like to talk about our dogs.  Well, except that in the public it
sometimes gets irritating.

Carol
and the sprightly guide dog
Sony

... A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer.

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From: Thomas.Martin@f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org (Thomas Martin)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Rehabilitation act.
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:19:54 GMT
Reply-To: Thomas.Martin@f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/14 - Project Enable, Dunbar WV
X-Fidonet: Amputee Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25694

[This is from the Amputee Conference]

I encouage all amputee support groups and active amputee advocates to
become fully aquianted with the newly reauthorized Rehabiliation Act as
passed by the Congress in Washington in the last days of its session
prior to adjounment.  It is Public Law 102-569; and more information is
available in Congressional Conference Report 102-973.
You can obtain copies by requesting these two documents from your own
United States Representative or Senator:
    The Honorable _________________
    United States House of Representatives
    Washington, D. C. 20515
                                        OR
    The Honorable ___________________
    United States Senate
    Washington, D. C. 20510
                                         OR
    202/224-3121

The House Document Room, Annex 2 B18, United States House of
Representatives, Washington, D. C. 20515,  202/225-3456
will accept requests for copies of these documents in writting or by
telephone.    The Senate Document Room, United States Senate, SH-B04,
Washington, D. C. 20510 will only accept requests in writting; its
telephone number is 202/224-7860.

GO FOR IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: Mary.Jean@f1007.n282.z1.fidonet.org (Mary Jean)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: NEW
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:13:48 GMT
Reply-To: Mary.Jean@f1007.n282.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:282/1007 - DRAG-Net, Andover MN
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25849

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

I'm new to this echo.I have chronic low back pain as the result of an
accident. Some days I am better than others. I use medication and
limited exercise to manage the pain. I tried a TENS unit when I was
first injured but it did not work for me. Glad to hear it works for some
though. On days like today when its cold and damp I feel worse and
discouraged too.             respond if you like. This message is for
ALL as well as Linda.        Thanks             MJ

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From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Lip-Reading
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:27:26 GMT
Reply-To: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25737

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 DB>  Of course, I'm able to lip-read in Italian only. Are you able to lip-
 DB> read in English? I ask this because I know that
 DB> English, like German, has many more consonants than Italian, Spanish or
 DB> French, and has a greater variation in vowel sounds
 DB> than any other language. You know, Italian words almost
 DB> always terminate in vowels, and there are 5 or 7 vowels
 DB> in all (7 if you make a distinction between the closed and the open sound
 DB> of E and O, otherwise they're only 5: A E I O U, always
 DB> having the same sound in any word and position).

I've found lipreading Japanese and Chinese to be the most difficult.
Sometimes those who have learned English as their second language
position their tongues a bit differently than the norm when speaking
English are hard to understand but like all things, I've found the
more you are around the person, the more you get the practice and
learn to recognize the way they form certain words.

Speaking a different language is another whole ballgame but it is
not impossible for one who is deaf or HoH to learn, just takes
a little more time.  I don't know why people feel because one is
deaf or HoH, one cannot learn to speak - what a misconception.

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From: Jay.Croft@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Jay Croft)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Re: CARDS IN BARS
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:26:29 GMT
Reply-To: Jay.Croft@f421.n109.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:109/421 - Twilight Clone Mac, Rockville MD
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25732

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 > A man approached me in a bar last week and offered me a card.  The
 > card
 > introduced him as a deaf person and he sold these cards for a living
 > and
 > that he was asking for contributions.  How do you feel about that?

He probably had his Rolls Royce parked around the corner.

Most deaf people are embarrassed by the peddlers.  They will not
approach another deaf person!

Work out the mathematics of how much that peddler earned per hour
for his "labors."  You will be surprised.

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From: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ann Stalnaker)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: ACTORS
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:23:08 GMT
Reply-To: Ann.Stalnaker@f2120.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/2120 - Fingers Talk, Irving TX
X-Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25709

[This is from the Silent Talk Conference]

 LG>   I sent this message before, and I got no replies.  I don't know whether
 LG> this is because no one is interested in the subject, or
 LG> whether my message just got lost.  So I am sending it
 LG> again.

Laurel, I'm glad you decided to send your message through again - as
far as I can recall, I don't believe it ever made it through the
conference the first time around.

 LG> What does everyone think about deaf protests against the use of hearing
 LG> actors in deaf roles?

This sounds like another radical protest that has not been covered
completely.  The reason I say this is you are not going to always find
a deaf person in a small town who is willing to act in the local
community theatre.  I don't see anything wrong with using a hearing
person in a deaf role or even a non-visually impaired person in
a blind role.  All of this is make-believe and gives a real challenge
to actors who are not disabled to play such roles.  I feel the
roles belong to the best person whether they are disabled or not,
and the same goes for nationality.

 LG>        I don't think that these Deaf and Asians actors
 LG> are really idealists fighting for a cause.  They just want jobs.

So many others want jobs, too - but it is really silly to protest
this.  Also, most acting jobs are non-paying unless you are talking
about Broadway, movies or television.  Look at Life Goes On with
Chris Burke who has Down's Syndrome, Marlee Maitlin who plays
Tess on the series Reasonable Doubts, Phyllis Frelich (sp?) had
the lead role in Children of a Lesser God on Broadway and has played
several TV roles on various series.  I think the entertainment industry
is doing very good at placing appropriate actors/actresses in disabled roles.

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From: Jim.Graham@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: re:sympathectomy part 3 of 3
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:13:41 GMT
Reply-To: Jim.Graham@p0.f5109.n124.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:124/5109.0 - National Amputee Co, Dallas TX
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Index Number: 25848

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

Compared to so many other folks that have chronic pain problems, I
still count myself fortunate, since all of this is only 7 months old.
 That may well be too early to even contemplate amputation, yet it

is a double-dilemma.  I've read too many stories about people who
have gone for years with chronic pain, only to have amputation anyway.
 And, how long can I expect W.C. to cooperate with medications, brace

upkeep, etc. while I wait?

WB>You are probably awake at 1:30 am Eastern time.  I would like to
WB>phone you; but don't want to wake up your wife.

Don't worry about that.  If my wife's asleep, she won't hear the phone,
since there isn't one in the bedroom.

WB>Do you guys get any family therapy & do you get an individual
WB>counseling?

No.  Actually, neither of us have felt like we need any (sort of like
a crazy person claiming to be sane) :-).

Although we're both under a considerable amount of pressure (the new
house, which I was building starting over a year ago needs finishing,
Sheryl is basically running the family, etc), neither one of us has
felt the need to talk to anyone but each other.  We gain a considerable
amount of support from this.

WB>Would you please let me know if you need more ideas on how to obtain
S

Your message was cut off here.  What was the last part of the above
sentence?

BTW: Feel free to call me anytime, COLLECT.

Jim

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From: Shoshona.Bieman@f102.n103.z1.fidonet.org (Shoshona Bieman)
Newsgroups: misc.handicap
Subject: Pain
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:14:48 GMT
Reply-To: Shoshona.Bieman@f102.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Organization: FidoNet node 1:103/102 - The Master's BBS, Garden Grove CA
Originator: wtm@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com

Index Number: 25858

[This is from the Chronic Pain Conference]

Sometimes, I think the greater pain in dealing with chronic pain is
what is inflicted by others in response to your pain: uncaring
medical personnel or friends/family telling you "its all in yur
head", offering no compassion, never trying to understand the pain.
All that is just compounded by the depression/suicidal feelings you
get from time to time when you feel so helpless from the pain,
wanting it to just end, and there is no hope given you. I can
really relate to what you and your girlfriend are enduring. I hope
you can find a COMPASSIONATE/KNOWLEDGABLE doctor close to home to
help you...

Shoshona ;-)

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