From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Bush and Iran Contra
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:40:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.042824.26230@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1a5nbnINN745@agate.berkeley.edu> lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep27.022554.16175@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>In article <19vqb2INNaa8@news.aero.org> foy@aero.org (Richard Foy) writes:
>>>>General Secord said Bush is lying about his role in Iran Contra.
>>
>>>	Why discount it? There was nothing wrong with Iran Contra but the fact
>>>that it violated 'proper routes.'
>>
>>Perhaps because of your youth, John peter, you've seem not to know what
>>Iran-contra was about. Let's look at the first part of the program. We
>>wanted help from the Iranians in releasing American hostages held in
>>Lebanon (preferably in time for the midterm election -- remember the one
>>hostage we did bribe free was feted on the White House Lawn). To do this
>>we decided to sell arms to Iran, led by Ayatollah Khomeini.
>>However, we had declared an embargo on Iran. In fact, at the same time
>>we were secretly sending arms to Iran, our officials were complaining to
>>our European allies that they weren't being strict enough with Iran.
>>In fact, sending arms to Iran WOULD have been illegal, except that
>>Ronald Reagan, Mr. Tough Talk, signed an executive order permitting it.
>>At least, he might have. It was retroactive, it was initially given
>>orally (? -- my memory on this is hazy), and when examined on the issue
>>later, he had forgotten everything. It has, of course, become clear
>>that Mr. Reagan was pretty out of it mentally by the end of his terms.
>>George Bush said that he (with  secys Schultz and Weinberger) was
>>against this stupid, craven [do you know the word, jp] attempt to bribe
>>Khomeini. But now the facts out: he thought it was peachy-keen and cool.
>>I wonder what you would say about that Great Satan Jimmy Carter if he
>>had pursued the same policy. Probably called him stupid and cowardly.
>>And you would have been right.
>>Hope this fills in your memory lacunae.
>>andy
>
>	Gee, I am impressed by the use of your big vocabulary. Thank you
>for educating me.  Yours is after all the education party.
>	Now I would like to ask, again, how did the sales of weapons
>to Iran do more than violate 'proper procedure?'  That sale, that operation,
>and those weapons have not been used against the U.S. or its alies.
>The only reason, and you admit it, for the arms sales going sour is
>the fact that they violated an embargo! If I break the law in Chicago
>to carry a gun, and save many innocent people with that gum, sure,
>I have broken the law, you may even cal me 'cowardly' for 'hiding' it
>on my person.  But the fact is, I saved those innocent people AND
>I did not harm anyone.  You Demcrats are assanine in the sense that you
>worship the form, the outward appearance of things rather than the
>nuts-and-bolts, the underlying concept, the below the surface appearance.
>This is shown in your 'self-proclaimed superiority of thought' based
>upon your 'vocabulary!' Give me a break! A vocabulary, the cosmetic,
>the outrward appearance is most useful in the goal of deception, i.e.,
>you would deceive others through the use of your 'big vocabulary.' I tell
>you truly, your 'big vocabulary' means nothing in the light of reality.
>The same is true for your worship of grades and 'academic standings,'
>ala Quayle.  You would hide your ignorance of what is real behind
>a facade of pedantry!  1)'Iran Contra' violated procedure (embargo),
>but 2)caused no harm, and yet helped free hostage(s).  The essence of
>the policy was beneficial, and weighed out in action, while you Democrats
>would damn it for its superficial shortfalls! Why don't you go read
>your dictionary and impress the ladies at the Lawn Club with your
>big vocabulary and your pithy `qualifications' and leave the thinking
>to the men!
>
>				J. Wagner
>
>

 
   John Peter Wagner, let me use even bigger words:  Go back to your dorm
room and study and get yourself more educated. You have been talking like a
8th grader at the best.