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From: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This thread is disturbing to me (Re: whatever )
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:10:28 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <194cigINNji1@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
[long, sensible Eric-rebuttal removed]
>Then I looked down at myself and realized that my knowledge of women is
>highly limited, and speaking for them is probably not the best idea in the
>world ... 

Well, I don't think anyone is going to accuse your reasonable self
of overstepping these bounds.  After all, the subject matter (the
right of women to treat men like assholes when they behave like assholes)
does relate to both men and women.  If we're going to invoke
party lines (which I'm clearly against), those of us who are male
should have *more* to talk about here, on what we can do to change
"maleness" so that harassment is no longer acceptable (much less
encouraged, as it is now).

>so I'm going to let the (decisively vocal, thank God) female part
>of this group to take care of the rest (and Mike ... though he's sort of
>honorary female by now, I'd think ... or at least deserving of it).

Gee, Roy, you say the sweetest things ... *beam*
Unfortunately, I don't know that it's a fair title.  I may be a 
frothing-at-the-mouth Millie Tant feminist [joke], but that doesn't
take away any male privilege.

Still, I claim honorary Irishness after 12 years in Dublin, so
maybe I could be honorary female if I spent the next decade as
a cross-dresser ...

Hugs'n'stuff, from a recently rejuvenated
Mike
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Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and     | "The Trouble with Normal is it
owner of a one-track mind:         |  Always Gets Worse" - Bruce Cockburn
   "thesis .. thesis .. thesis"    |    (-:   F**k Your Gender!  :-)
From: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 10 Sep 1992 01:27:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) says:
>
>And what about fucking in a space shuttle?

Well, they're sending up a husband-and-wife team on the next flight....

-- 
Palmer T. Davis      ___
<ptd2@po.cwru.edu>   \X/   cthread.  cthread_fork().  Fork, thread, fork!
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Enjoy t' Bi Conf, folx...
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:24:25 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <2n2pb6f7@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the
Crisco Kid) writes:

>When you let (at least some) of your defenses down, as I think
>happened a few times when we were talking, you are a cute (and nice!) guy.
>I speculate here, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I do suspect that
>some of the bouncy, Tigger-ish, slightly-too-loudness is part of something
>to stop people getting too close to you.  Not everyone's an enemy...

Ouch - I hadn't really been very aware of having defenses until you pointed
it out. Urgh - looks like another sleepless night coming on, and from past
experience two in a row is going to do horrible things to me.

>Who else?  Ah.  Jus and I in one corner, Malc and Judes in the next,
>two quite cute guys I never got round to talking with (and I think
>they had their mouths full), two of your esteemed colleagues in the
>third corner, and you over by the door.  Oh yes, and John, the sweet
>guy with the long hair who I think was accompanying that woman you
>had your eyes on - <blush> I've forgotten her name.

I said Saturday morning, not Sunday. Saturday was in the male only crash
space remember? Yes we were in the same room Sunday morning, but I was
concentrating my attentions far too much on Helen to notice anyone else. And
if anyone was accompanying Helen it was her friend Kirsten. Sigh.

>>What I don't
>>understand is why Bethan has trouble with her taste in clothes and her
>>mother. My mum wears the sort of stuff Bethan wears all the time.

>But is she half as sexy as Bethan?

No. A third as sexy maybe, possibly creeping up to a half when she wears her
pink leotard for New Year's Eve parties. She's got quite a good collection
of put down lines too for when men pinch her bum, the best one being "how
would you like it if I pinched your bum just because you were wearing a pink
leotard?". One fool once answered "but I don't wear pink leotards" to which
my mum replied sharply "you will be if you pinch my bum again". I'm sure
she'd make a great dyke.

Owen.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: Re: TV-TS Newsgroup?
Organization: Motorola
Date: 7 Sep 1992 10:30:11 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Guardian Norwich article
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:58:58 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <Jm2TqB13w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:

>I'm a vegetarian with vegan sympathies.  Haven't been hassled much, 
>thankfully, though there have been some problems - with my parents, for 
>example.

I wanna see the Pythagorean Vegans.  No eggs, dairy, or beans!

>
>Namaste,
>Elizabeth
>


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
From: moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (C.W. Moseley)
Date: 5 Sep 92 13:50:09 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand

jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway) writes:
> (Third attempt to send this.  News is screwed here.)
				-how, are you tri-sexual??

> Indeed.  If you've only seen someone with one partner, you have no reason
> to suppose they are heterosexual or homosexual.  Think of all the
> strangers you pass in the street every day.  How much do you actually
> know about them, and how much are you assuming?

Lots: they will most likely be wearing signs to show all sorts of things.
Most importantly GENDER. then, occupation, heterosexuality, lifestyle,
wealth, etc.

warning: some monosexuals get upset if you fail to assume... its all
part of biphobia. I think making assumptions and reading clues are very
closely related, and some people put a lot into giving the clues out.

I _enjoy_ challenging people on this: why do you demand that I assume you
are monosexual? (especially some of my dyke friends) {chortle, snigger}

rule one: when making a pass at someone, please first make sure of their
sexuality. Especially if its me - my sexuality tends to get obscured by
my joy in cuddling people. (which is arguably non-sexual)

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From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:52:47 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <3XVVqB11w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca
(Elizabeth Holden) writes:

>For the benefit of those without a fascination for Renaissance History, 
>Henri III was the King of France (after being the King of Poland for a 
>while, I'd love to see an account of THAT) in the late 1500's.  He was 
>bisexual and transvestite and had a great sense of humour.

Sometimes I wonder if I was born a few hundred (or thousand) years too
late by accident. There are various times in history when the situation
for transvestites looks to have been a lot better than it is now. Of
course this may be superficial, plus you probably needed to be noble or
rich or both then.

Owen.
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:46:01 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
[wrt Mile High Club]
>Dare I ask where there is room and opportunity on commercial flights?
>I once attempted it in the bathroom, but found it a bit too cramped for
>comfort.
>--scott

I think Grant might be able to answer this one, wherever he's got too
just now.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<   ** nice **   \/\/ The Swamp
From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: Re: Hello everyone!
Date: 07 Sep 92 12:29:56 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: na

In article <185lmvINN4nk@smaug.West.Sun.COM> lorico@boomboom.Eng.Sun.COM (Lori Cotton) writes:

>Because this happened recently, I still feel really guilty about leaving
>my husband (he had to move back in with his mother, he's 25, I'm 29 and
>the bread winner).  I guess sometimes when I put my happiness in front
>of others I feel bad.  Anyone out there have any kind words or hugs, or
>anything else they want to give me ;^)
>
>Thanx for listening!
>

Hi Lori,

Have a hug. 

I tend to put other people's happiness before my own, so
putting my happiness first is hard.

Something I've started to learn lately tho is that if I don't
give myself what I need...

                          ...no one will.

When someone wants to share with you (like Stacy) it's wonderful.
When they want to 'nest' with you and take care of you, it's great.

...but in the long run, you need to take care of yourself. You 
do not have to sacrifice your own happiness for someone else.

If you still feel guilty, remember that your little girl needs a 
mom who is able to be a mom - and that means you need to be in
good enough shape to do it!  (Don't know if I've got the guts
to be a mom myself :-)

Anyway...

-jen
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:57:09 GMT
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep10.161824.25391@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>In <1992Sep10.135955.11748@tfs.com> ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>
>>Here I put myself in the role of a woman; I say "consume the resources",
>>which in this case is the man.
>
>That's not what some of us read in your article. Since the name "Eric"
>is usually a male name and you explicitly said "Were I there" rather
>than "If I a woman and was there", your posting came across as
>objectifying women (referring to them as "resources" for your
>"consumption"). The rest of your original posting seemed to back up
>this arrogant, sexist interpretation.
>
Amen.

>
>Ciaran.



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This Weekend
Followup-To: soc.bi
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:02:07
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
	<MUFFY.92Sep1141244@remarque.berkeley.edu> <25553@castle.ed.ac.uk>
	<1992Sep6.194855.13351@news.acns.nwu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu's message of Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:48:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.194855.13351@news.acns.nwu.edu> Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>In article <25553@castle.ed.ac.uk> mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) writes:
>>[muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:]
>>[in argument over circles of friends]
>>>Actually, I primarily collect nice *men*, a group which is sometimes
>>>considered legendary.  They generally don't like men much until I
>>>introduce them to each other, at which point they say "you're right,
>>>there *are* nice men in the world."  *smile*.

>Sounds like an interesting and/or subversive activity. 

Unfortunately, I don't make 'em, I just collect 'em (and try to make
them feel better about the world).  But they keep escaping...one got as
far as Taiwan...*smile*.  Someday maybe I'll try breeding them,
though...*GRIN*...(Dan and I should be able to produce not only nice men
but also redheads!)

>>bi-space [provides] a way to meet the small
>>number of men I feel I can relate to (heck, it even feels like there
>>are lots of you sometimes .. *grin*).

>Yes!

Actually, most of the nice men I know are not (so far as either of us
knows) bi.  However, now that I've been meeting bi men, most of them
seem to have a high potential for niceness, so I'm hoping to add to my
collection...*grin*...

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy | muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | wi.4636@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: 75furlong@cua.edu
Subject: Re: Geraldo show on bi-folk
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:11:33 GMT

In article <68159@hydra.gatech.EDU>, Martin.Brooks@gtri.gatech.edu (Martin H. Brooks) writes:
> Frankly, I don't believe Geraldo is as stupid (or shall we say, clueless) as
> he comes across.  I do believe that Geraldo is basically very insincere and
> will say just about anything to conform to the general level of ignorance of
> his audience.  I'm not an advocate of violence, but to be frankly honest, I
> keep getting this urge to slap the shit out of him...

I missed the show, but my SO saw it, and said "This audience was so stupid they
made Geraldo look articulate..." Gotta love the mass media.

As for sincerity, I'll quote my roomie's dad:

"I remember when he was still Jerry Rivers." He was a yutz then too.

-Alison
    ***********************************************************
    * Alison Furlong      ---- * "I have been deceived"       *
    * 75furlong@cua.edu   \bi/ * "No - you have been refused" *
    *                      \/  *           - G. Stein         *
    ***********************************************************
From: sbit37@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Paul Gould)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Guardian Norwich article
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:32:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Liverpool
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Jon Harley (J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk) wrote:
>idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
>>panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>>>J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
>>>> I wonder if I should tell her I'm really gay not bi, it sounds like she
>>>> could accept that much more easily. The only problem is it's not actually
>>>> true.
>>>
>>>Jon, it sounds to me as if you've made great progress already.  To 
>>>confuse things with a lie would just make it worse in the long run.  Give 
>>>your mother time to adjust.  It sounds as if she's getting there.
>
>I don't feel she is; I first came out to her last year, and still she tells
>me that bisexuality is wrong and I should suppress it and be mono. It's
>very frustrating that I can't get through on this; we're normally quite close.

Well, at least you're out to her, which is more than I can say. I keep
wanting to tell my parents, but every time I go & see them, the
opportunity doesn't present itself. Usually, we have a row about
something trivial, and I feel that to bring up the subject of my
sexuality would not be politic.

>[...]

>>Oh, and congrats on your bibiochemist! :)
>
>Thanks, in fact it's 2 months _today_ since we first met in person, at
>Dave's party!

Eeek! & to think I'd missed the significance of the date. Blame it on
the stress of completing my 1st year report.

>Perhaps, in fact, I should thank soc.bi - Paul and I first got to know
>each other by e-mail, over an article one of us posted to soc.bi, in one
>of those trivial conversations which arise from usenet articles all the
>time for many of us. It might never have happened without this group, so
>*** thank you, the whole of soc.bi! ***

And I echo those thanks. I can't remember how I stumbled into soc.bi for
the first time, but I did just as I was coming to terms with the fact
that I was attracted to MOTOS as well as MOTSS.

>And to Paul - have another e-rose:
>	--'-,-{@ 
>...I love you loads! *HUG* *snuggle* *kiss* *lick* *ruffle* *kiss again*
>...can't wait for next week!

*Blush* Thank you :-) *kiss* *slurp* *cuddle*
4 days & counting....

Paul
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sbit37@uk.ac.liv.uxb (JANET)          \bi/              University of Liverpool
sbit37@uxb.liv.ac.uk (Internet)        \/               PO Box 147, Liverpool
+44 (0)51-794 4330   (Phone)                            L69 3BX  UK
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Subject: Re: == No Subject ==
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 03:42:47 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

rhiann@shelley.u.washington.edu (Sandy  Hereld) wrote...
>In article <1992Aug25.034441.22329@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@radish.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>I do wonder if anyone has ever come up with a good 'pledge' to the
>>gay rainbow flag?
>Funny you should ask.  My girlfriend, Rachel has written one, (It's not
>in front of me either) and is putting it on rainbow tie-dyed t-shirts.
>I'll try to remember to get the text from her.

Sandy!!! Where have you been?   Have been missing you and your sigs.
(For newer readers, one of Sandy's sig's said:  "We don't need
more queers with good taste.  We need more queers that taste good.")
[Hope I got that correct.]

Do post this pledge when you have a chance.  And say hello to Rachel
for me (and the net).

Ellen
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Appreciate Chocolate Now and Avoid the Rush!
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 10:54:03 EDT

pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:

> 
> BTW, who likes their chocolate warm and soft (kept in the pocket)
> and who likes it hard and cold (kept in the fridge)?
> 
> ///Peter


...Both.  Definitely both.  This is chocolate we're talking about.  If 
it's warm and soft you can lick it off your fingers, which is fun, but if 
it's hard and cold it has a satisfying "crack" as you bite into it.

Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Guardian Norwich article
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:56:39 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

In <18317@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>PS. I wonder if people will stop Dave Berry on the streets of Cambridge and
>say "Hey look everybody! It's Dr. Pervert!" :-) :-)

I can just imagine it on film:

A person walking down the street suddenly stop and looks up at the top
of the tall building across the road. Another person stops to see what
the first is looking at. The first points "Up there." Soon a crowd as
gathered. "What is it?" somebody asks, "Is is a man?... Is it a plane?"
"No!" a voice booms down from the top of the building, "It's *Dr*
Pervert to you."


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Dialects
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:56:21 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

In article <18293@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>Learn to speak German. Yorkshire vowel sounds are just what you need for a
>good German accent. (They're a real pain when trying to speak French
>though!)

Geordie vowels are just right for Dutch.  Interestingly enough though
I've never met a Dutch-speaking Geordie to confirm this.

G
--
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:48:16 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Sep12.184839.160094@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL) writes:
> 
> did enable you to get away with a lot more than the "common man;"  James I,
> for example, was well-known to be a homosexual--and the dynamics of the Court
> at this time were, to some extent, governed by control of homosexual
> favourites (like the Earl of Somerset and George Villiers who ended up as the
> Duke of Buckingham because he was cute), despite the fact that sodomy was
> punishable by death at this time (a law, incidently, passed under Henry VIII
> as part of the Church of England's reformation).  I'm sure the fact that James
> was the King had a lot to do with people turning a blind eye.
[stuff omitted]
> complicated, and often interesting, ways.  Sigh.  Just wait till I get to be a
> proper professor and get to teach courses in this stuff.

See, Tanaqui? Bi my reckoning there should be *several* chairs of bisexuality:
literature, history, sociology etc etc. Maybe even bisexual computer science?

///Peter
From: valerie@ucsd.edu (Valerie E. Polichar)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: mustaches
Date: 10 Sep 1992 17:00:25 GMT
Organization: UCSD Network Operations
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigblack.ucsd.edu

In article <BuD6Jn.Con@news.larc.nasa.gov>, kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes:

> In article <18mb05INN4bg@network.ucsd.edu> valerie@ucsd.edu (Valerie E. Polichar) writes:
> >Hey  ---  I look /great/ in a mustache.

> Hug!  Hug!  Hug!
> Definitely lots of hugs, but no kisses.  Don't want to disturb the cute
> moustache.
> --scott

Er,... haven't got one on at the *moment*... but find me some Saturday night...

Seriously, cross-dressing as a man is dandy fun, only wish I was more
androgynous.  *sigh*...

-Vvvvvvalerie-
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.sex
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:34:05 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) wrote...
>that I am responding to my take on Ellen's intentions in writing that bit,
>since more might have been in her mind than I got. She could address that.

Consider my comment a simple reversal of stereotypes.  (And what I
said is true for _my_ experience, though I should probably empasize
that this was in sexually charged situations.)


[Aside]
By the way it definitely wasn't clear to me (and several others) that
when you said 'I'd consume resources,' you were casting yourself as a
woman.  By not making this clear you plunged headfirst into more than
one classic male stereotypes, one of which is that women are resources
for men's consumption.  Another is that men sould be the center of 
attention, and if they're not then there's something wrong with them.
(i.e. They are 'boring' or inadequate in some way.)
In my experience that hasn't been the case at all.  I've wound up
ignoring some very fascinating men.

Ellen