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From: paula@atc.boeing.com (Paul Allen)
Subject: Re: What makes Unix Special?
Reply-To: paula@atc.boeing.com
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 12:50:52 GMT

In article 7JAN199312365350@author.gsfc.nasa.gov, rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bob Koehler) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.090749.6873@uhura1.uucp>, bryan%uhura1@uunet.uu.net writes...
>> 
>>It's also really nice to sit (site?) on a UNIX machine and
>>    emacs /net/host/file
>>where "host" doesn't have an editor you like, or to [...]
>
> If /net/host is just an NFS mount point for "host", then I'm not impressed.
>We all know NFS.  I don't expect that every remote system that gives me an
>account will also NFS export for me, nor am I sure I want to add any more NFS
>traffic to my existing network.  If this isn't NFS, someone please explain
>a bit more, because none of my systems will recognize such syntax in any other
>way.

Bryan was talking about the NFS automounter known as "amd".  Since you seem to
have a strong negative opinion of NFS, would you care to compare it with other
file-sharing protocols.  I'd love to hear NFS contrasted with Andrew, but
RFS and DECnet are also somewhat interesting.

I run a Sun network in which I aim for location-independence.  By this
I mean that the users never need to know what server has a particular
file in order to find it.  The global password file lists my home
directory as /users/paula, and the automounter makes sure that my home
directory appears at that point in the local machine's hierarchy no
matter what machine I happen to be on.  If I run a command that is
hopelessly architecture- and version-specific like "top", the
automounter mounts the appropriate copy of /usr/local/kvm for me.  One
only needs to know the name of a project to find that project's working
directory under the /proj hierarchy.  The automounter knows which disks
each of these things really inhabits, but it allows the users to go
about their work without worrying about such details.

The seamless illusion that can be provided by an NFS automounter is
marred somewhat by the fact that the illusion is constructed from
symlinks and the actual machine-specific filesystems are visible behind
the links.  I have been given the impression by several Andrew
advocates that the afs filesystem does not have a visible "man behind
the curtain" pulling levers and creating the illusion of a seamless
filesystem.  Would anyone care to elaborate on this?

Mr. Koehler seems to imply that NFS is a particularly ineffecient protocol.
OK.  That may be true.  Is there another file-sharing protocol that's as
widely available as NFS and uses network bandwidth more effectively?  I
have a busy net, and will be happy to listen to suggestions for ways to
improve service to my users.

Paul Allen

Paul L. Allen -- Paul.Allen@atc.boeing.com or ...!uw-beaver!bcsaic!Paul.Allen
Boeing Computer Services, Research & Technology, Computing Environment  (whew!)
"Whether you believe that you can or that you cannot, you're right!" (unknown)
From: mark@alsvid.une.edu.au (Mark Garrett Internet: mark@arvak.une.edu.au Phone: +61 66 20 3859)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Windows NT Report
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:56:39 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers (Lismore)

From article <9212221702.00@rmkhome.UUCP>, by rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly):
> In article <jfy.725049109@crucis.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> jfy@cis.ksu.edu (Joseph F. Young) writes:
>>
>>Yeah right.  A Mach-based microkernel and a minimally functional POSIX
>>interface does not make NT a UNIX OS.
> 
> It's not even Mach.  And it is extremely minimal POSIX.

	I'd been under this delusion for some time that MS had done a great
thing in providing a mach3.0 based system. Wrong!! What I'm now told is 
they have cooked up their own little mess for a kernel, GOD help us all another
fine mess....


		Mark :)
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From: kdale@flatline.sbi.com (Keith Dale)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb Question...
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:32:09 GMT
Reply-To: kdale@flatline.sbi.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Salomon Inc

In article 101901@axion.bt.co.uk, lkirby@axion.bt.co.uk (Lewis Kirby) writes:
>
>In article <C0EsA1.3u2@ncifcrf.gov>, digennar@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov (Frank S. DiGennaro) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	This might seem a simple question, but here goes... does UNIX have an 'unerase'
>|> command similar to DOS?
>|> 
>
>No.
>

I thought Norton Utilities for SCO Unix was out of the vapor-ware stage.  Norton 
only had plans for an Intel-based Unix version, and kind of kludged around the Unix method
of recirculating inodes and disk blocks immediately by using a predefined staging area: 
deleted files are copied to the "secret" area and held for a configurable time (5 min?)
before they're really deleted.  

Anyone using it, and can provide firsthand experience?
---
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Salomon Inc - UNIX Systems Support
(201) 896-7029
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL !?
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 03:44:58 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <C0AMMu.Lwq@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1hr3mmINN9cn@spool.mu.edu> marcr@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Marc Rassbach) writes:
>>No, I think it's the rumor I've heard.  Goes like this.  A Novell promo
>>about how 'wonderful' this new Unix offering is going to be.  Simplifyed.
>>All those commands no one uses will be gone.  Like sed, awk, grep.
>>Perhaps 'hacked up' isn't a good word....how bout busted.
>
>Your rumor's a lie, then.  I've used UNIX, BSD and System V flavors,
>since 1984.  UnixWare *is* UNIX.  Nothing's missing; you simply can
>do things without spelling out commands on a ouija board *IF* *YOU*
>*CHOOSE* *TO*...

This is what I have been trying to make people understand for days.  Novell
is not going to disturb the status quo of the current UNIX licensees, but
they are going to offer a version of UNIX that can run in the Novell net
world, and be administrated with a mouse.

This is good for UNIX.

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From: msp@msen.com (Jerry Foster)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Print graphics files
Date: 11 Jan 1993 14:06:55 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

We are looking for a command line utility that will print various graphics
files (gif, tiff, dwg, dxf, etc.).  Either commercial or public domain
will do.  We are running SCO Unix 3.2.4 with Hewlet Packard laserjets and
a deskjet color.   Does anyone know if such a utility exists?  

Thanks in advance,

Jerry Foster


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From: eddie@mdavcr.mda.ca (Man Sang Lui)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: RS232 & networking and process logging
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:34:06 GMT


Hi

I am new to this group and I have some problems which might have already been
solved by some wizards in this group.

I am currently having a SLC SPARCstation connected to a CD-ROM jukebox via 
an RS232 (ttyb) and a SCSI ports. The jukebox has four CD-ROM drives and 
four CDs can be loaded and accessed at the same time.  All the control
commands (e.g. selecting a CD, rotating the carousel) are sent from the Sun
workstation to the jukebox via the RS232 port.  The communication speed is
9600 bauds.  The actual mounting and the ejection of the CDs are done via
the SCSI interface.  The jukebox and the workstation are also in a class B
network.  I have already done some software design and development for the
controlling program using C.  My questions are:

1. In order for a host in the network to use the jukebox, a user has to use 
   rlogin or telnet to log on to the SLC SPARCstation before s/he can run the 
   controlling program.  Is there a way that I can incorporate this in my C 
   program so that the jukebox is visible from any host in the network?  Is 
   this a client-server based and/or networking problem?  What is the best 
   way for me to tackle this?

2. Assuming question no. 1 can be achieved, how do I deal with locking 
   facility for multi-user access?

3. If the jukebox is available on the network, I would like to keep a log 
   file to record which user is using what and possibly show this to all
   current users on the network.  In others words, when the controlling 
   program is started by a user, it has to know which user is currently 
   using what disc and for how long.  How should I approach this?

I should be much obliged if you could suggest some solutions or point me 
in the right direction (e.g. public domain source).  Please e-mail me at
eddie@mda.ca

Thanks in advance.
Eddie 
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.novell
From: RFARR@NOVELL.COM (Rich Farr)
Subject: Re: Novell to buy USL !?
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:14:57 GMT

In article <1i8a0sINNh0b@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes:
>
>Unfortunately this isn't true.  There are no on-line manpages, for
>example, and I'm not even sure that you can get printed manpages.  I
>didn't examine UnixWare much further to discover what else was
>missing; for the purposes for which we were evaluating UnixWare, that
>was enough to kill it.

Sorry, you should have looked a little closer before scrapping it.  I'm 
running UnixWare A.S. *WITH* man pages.  Again, UnixWare *is* a full 
featured Unix.
From: robrod@csa.bu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Novell, Microsoft suit
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:27:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: robrod@csa


I was reading an article about Novell buying Unix, there was a small
reference to a big Lawsuit Microsoft did.  I didn't understand who or
why was Microsoft suing.  Does anyone here know?

Sorry if this question is out of place!


Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: bill@Celestial.COM (Bill Campbell)
Subject: Re: Diff between sym and hard links?
Organization: Celestial Software, Mercer Island, WA
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 23:20:20 GMT

In <mcampbel.726585766@eola.cs.ucf.edu> mcampbel@cs.ucf.edu (Mike Campbell ) writes:

:Anyone?  What *is* the difference between symbolic and hard links in a
:unix fs?  

Without going into the internal details:
    -   Symbolic links don't have to be on the same file system.
    -   Symbilic links can refer to directories.

Bill
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From: mani@linc.cis.upenn.edu (D. R. Mani)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Printing .ps/.dvi on a Panasonic KX-P1180 (dot matrix)
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:37:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hello Netters,

	Are there any printer drivers which I can use to print
PostScript and/or TeX dvi files on the Panasonic KX-P1180 9-pin dot
matrix printer (Epson FX-86 compatible)?  I tried GhostScript (ver
2.5.2), but the Epson compatible drivers don't work properly (wrong
spacing, over-strike for one line comes out on different lines, etc.) 

	Where can I find printer driver for this printer?  I'm running
AT&T System V/386, Release 4 on a 386-33.

	Thanks a lot in advance ...

- Mani

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Shared Memory or DMA ethercards for UNIX on a PC
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 00:38:18 GMT
Keywords: Ethernet Adapters

In article <C0GFw7.C7u@flatlin.ka.sub.org>
	bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura) writes:
>That said, I know of no ethernet card driver for UNIX that does
>DMA (if someone knows better please correct me).

As of many, many months ago, Buslogic (nee Bustek) had an SCO Unix
driver in beta for their bus-mastering Ethernet adapter.  I do not
know what the current status is.
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Unicom Systems Development   | maximum discomfort in left-handed people.
<chip@chinacat.Unicom.COM>   |
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: adams@nisc.psi.net (Mark Adams)
Subject: Shared Memory or DMA ethercards for UNIX on a PC
Keywords: Ethernet Adapters
Organization: Performance Systems International
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:15:25 GMT


Hi,

I have a chance to purchase an ethernet adapter which supports
10BaseT and 10Base2 for about $100.  Two models are available,
one uses 32k shared memory, the other DMA.

For a multitasking system, which would be a wiser choice?

Thanks

Mark

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From: black@seismo.CSS.GOV (Mike Black)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Internet style addressing under ESIX
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:51:22 GMT
Organization: Center for Seismic Studies, Arlington, VA

We just hooked up our ESIX machines to an SMTP mail server.  However,
they keep inserting their return address as a bang path and we can't
seem to figure out how to change it to internet addressing.  Can 
anyone point us in the right direction?
Mike...
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: sandyb@world.std.com (Sandy Bendremer)
Subject: UPS Shutdown Software??
Summary: Need software to monitor UPS
Keywords: UPS
Organization: AnyWare Associates -- Boston, MA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:30:23 GMT

I have a Topaz/Square D CUB Powermaker UPS, on a 486 based system running
SVR4.  The unit is equipped with a DB9 connecter and some simple relays that
show loss of AC power and low battery.  The manual says that user supplied 
software and cable are required to make use of this feature.

Is there any simple software kicking around that allows one to use an RS232
port to monitor the UPS like this.  It seems that some of the standard RS232
control lines could be used for this purpose.

The pin-out of the DB9 connector and the Truth Table is as follows.
 
 5   4   2   2   1
             +-------------o C	  LOSS OF AC POWER
             |   +-------o  \o 	       RELAY
 o   o   o   o   o     NO    | NC
   o   o   o   o             |
               +-------------+
   9   8   7   6

STATE\PIN	PIN 2,1	 PIN 4,8   PIN 2,6   PIN 4,9
=====================================================
  NORMAL	 OPEN	  OPEN      CLOSE     CLOSE
  BACK-UP        CLOSE    OPEN      OPEN      CLOSE
  BATTERY LOW    XXXX     CLOSE     XXXX      OPEN

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. 

Sandy

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From: mbm@oasis.icl.co.uk (Malcolm Mladenovic)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: Adding 250 users to Dell SVR4 at one swoop?
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:58:40 GMT
Organization: UNIX Centre, ICL, Bracknell

In article <1993Jan8.063129.22289@nwnexus.WA.COM> markmc@halcyon.com (Mark McWiggins) writes:
>I guess there *must* be an /etc/adduser command ('man adduser' didn't
>show it and I forgot to look in /etc), but since it would ask 250
>times for passwords, I still would like another option.

Look for a command called useradd rather than adduser:


     useradd(1M)	   (Essential Utilities)	   useradd(1M)

     NAME
	  useradd - administer a new user login	on the system


-Malcolm

Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.xenix.misc,comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: borchert@walt.CS.MsState.Edu (Chris Borchert)
Subject: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:34:25 GMT

Could someone please tell me where I can find a list of PC Unix/Xenix
vendors for 386/486 PCs?  I am not a PC Unix guru; my background is using 
Suns.  So help me out in listing the players: Dell, Interactive, SCO, ESIX, 
???.  How gives you the most for the money?  What is all this talk about
Solaris for the Intel?  How much will it cost, what will be the benefit?

Thanks,
Chris Borchert
borchert@CS.MsState.Edu
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow)
Subject: Re: It's Time for a Shakedown (was Re: A few answers to Dell Unix FAQ)
Reply-To: witr@rwwa.com
Organization: R.W. Withrow Associates
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:54:43 GMT

In article <16328@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) writes:

| [...]most of the customers they plan to get for their machines wouldn't
| know a C program if one bit them in the ass

And if typical industry-wide quality levels are any prognostic, customers will
keep getting these unexplained pains in their posterior.  If they only knew...

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Changing serial port characteristics under SCO
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 16:34:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan09.232437.24494@chinacat.unicom.com> chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.034306.26786@bilver.uucp>
>	bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes:

>>I put a line in rc.d to run an stty on the port at boot time, and then
>>sleep for 5 minutes, then run again. [...] Would this concept work for
>>the device that is printing directly to the port?
....

>This little `stty' deamon is not the right way to fix the truncated
>print problem, and it's a kludgey way to fix this problem too.  For
			   ^^^^^^  (Life's a kludge anyway :-) ).
>reference, the best way to fix the truncated print problem is to add
>something like:

>	stty ixany </dev/whatever

>at the end of the printer interface script.

I have several that I have just copied the stty line from the
first of the script to the end, and that fixed it.   And some
that did not.

On a Specialix Rio (damned fast boards) the stty at the end did
not cure it, and Specialix support recommend a sleep command at
the end of the script just before the exit.   That cured that
problem.

>If the brain-dead app will accept a named pipe (c.f. mknod) as the
>printer device, the problem can be solved by running a simple daemon
>at boot:

>	while : ; do lp -dwhatever < /path/to/the/fifo ; done

>and specifying /path/to/the/fifo as the print device.

Thanks for the info.  I appreciate that.

Bill

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: bobd@marune.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob DeBula)
Subject: ISC v3.0 VPIX Ethernet & libg++ install
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:22:49 GMT


I have two questions for the ISC gurus:

1.) Has anyone managed to get libg++ sucessfully installed
    under ISC v3.0? If so how? (I managed to get gcc 2.3.3
    installed OK, but I'm having trouble with libg++, any
    hints would be greatly appreciated).

2.) How do I access my WD8003E ethernet card (I have two
    ethernet cards, a WD8003E, and a WD8013E) in a DOS 
    session under VPIX?

Thanks in advance for any pointers you may be able to provide.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.i386,biz.sco.general
From: Petri.Wessman@hut.fi (Petri Wessman)
Subject: [SCO] execvp(2) seems to fail on shell scripts!
Reply-To: Petri.Wessman@inter.fi
Organization: Inter Marketing Oy, Finland
Distribution: comp
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:28:58

We've encountered a strange phenomenon with SCO Unix 3.2.4. We have an
init-like program that keeps our other customer software running, and
now it is failing mysteriously. The problem occurs only on SCO, not
on AIX 3.1 or NCR Unix, our other current supported platforms.

The program basicly does a fork + exec for each program it is
monitoring, and blocks in wait(). If a child dies, it is restarted.
The programs that it starts are /bin/sh scripts, and this seems to be
the root of the problem. Things work fine for a while, but after an
unknown interval of time (usually the next day), *something* goes
wrong. After this point, it can't seem to start a single one of the
programs. Exec() works fine (doesn't return error), but the script is
never executed (we've tested N+1 variations) and wait() gets an
"exited with status 0" for the child that was "started".

Here's the strange(r) part: when this has happened, if we replace one
of the scripts with a binary executable, it starts up fine! We tried a
binary that just printed its arguments and env and then slept, and
everything looked fine... the argument's weren't mangled or anything,
which was our initial suspicion. When we put the shell script back,
glich time again.

It looks like a kernel bug, but I truly don't know for certain. What I *do*
know is:

a)	The system works fine for a while, and then goes into this
	crazy state. If the init-clone is killed and restarted,
	everything is ok again (for a while).

b)	The exec arguments seem to be fine (and if they weren't exec()
	would/should return an error code). This never happens, exec()
	always seems to work ok. We use execvp(), by the way.

c)	The script that was "executed" by exec() returns at once with
	exit status 0. No commands whatsoever are run from the script
	itself.

d)	This occurs only on SCO (both 3.2.2 and 3.2.4). Nothing like
	this has been encountered on other platforms.

e)	The problem occurs only for shell scripts. Binary executables
	work fine.

f)	This is annoying *as hell*! :-(  We're forced to restart
	programs by hand via a modem link for customers.


Any and all help would be appreciated!  Hasn't anyone encountered this
before?

//Petri
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: bad@flatlin.ka.sub.org (Christoph Badura)
Subject: Re: Shared Memory or DMA ethercards for UNIX on a PC
Organization: Guru Systems/Funware Department
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:00:06 GMT
Keywords: Ethernet Adapters

In <1993Jan6.201525.24636@nisc.psi.net> adams@nisc.psi.net (Mark Adams) writes:
>I have a chance to purchase an ethernet adapter which supports
>10BaseT and 10Base2 for about $100.  Two models are available,
>one uses 32k shared memory, the other DMA.
>For a multitasking system, which would be a wiser choice?

The best choice would be a card that is supported with a driver by your
UNIX. That said, I know of no ethernet card driver for UNIX that does
DMA (if someone knows better please correct me).
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