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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Michigan, ND, Miami etc ...
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:19:16 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <BILLMS.92Nov19093830@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:

| In article <ASH.92Nov19091326@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
| 
| 
|    Gee, I think he was having fun.  You know, joking around.  Having a
|    laugh.  You know what I mean?  Try again.
| 
| I'd like to hear what Jason meant, but I think he was being serious.  The
| question was why is UM ranked over ND?  All year long we've heard about how
| the polls are based in bullshit.  Jason came up with a list of 6 real biases
| that we all know some people hold against ND.  The question isn't "do any of
| these have to do with good UM and ND are?" but rather "Do you believe that
| some poll voters are influenced by these six points when they go to vote?".
| Personally, I think Jason hit the nail right on the head.  

I was seriously having fun.  Bill is right these things do influence the
voters.  Polls are beauty pageants.  These voters are just like all us kids on
r.s.f.c.  they love and hate some teams.  Only they have a vote.


The Coachs poll votes on teams they haven't even seen play.  The CNN network
put's out the USA/CNN poll on Sunday at 11 a.m. EST on the CNN station.
Since 1/2 of the coachs and teams are flying home from a game they have
no time to see a game or even study the game stats.  Most are still upset
about their game.

The AP poll is just as bad.  These guys travel with the team and even
have to write a game report for the Sunday sports section.  Then these
same guys start watching the NFL games, on Sunday.  The AP poll comes out 
at Sunday 6 p.m.


My point is these voters do let other things other than the game influence
their votes.  Two years ago some AP voter said he would never vote for
Houston because they ran the score up on SMU.  Miami has voters that still
hate the showboat days.  ND has voters that just hate ND.  We need a playoff
system, beauty pageants don't work.
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Why MICHIGAN SUCKS. THEY **REALLY*** SUCK!!!
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:13:29 EST

Garry Moeller sucks go for the tie M.F.....

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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Prediction OSU-Michigan (was Re: Why Michigan sucks..)
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Nov18.174914.15664@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:40:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.174914.15664@m.cs.uiuc.edu> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu (R. Bharat Rao) writes:

   Question to William M-Smith: any comments out of Ann Arbor on why
   Moeller went for the 2-pointer up 19-15; or did he just admit that he
   screwed up in the heat of the momenet (I would respect him more if he
   said that than if he gave a BS reason).

No idea, I'd like to know myself.  I live in the heart of Lincoln Park,
yuppie capital of Chicago.

Bill
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Michigan
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:25:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.180442.3691@alc.com> stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
>Alan Harder writes:
>[Responding to an Illini fan who was "rubbing it in":]
>> What we don't deserve is assholes like you.  Why don't you crawl back
>> into the hole you came out of?
>
>Yo, Alan!  Calm down.
>
>You know, when Illinois beat Ohio State on the Buckeyes' home field in 
>a similarly ugly game, I don't recall too many Illinois fans being
>obnoxious about it.  (And, heck, that was a win rather than a tie.)
>
>It seems to me that either a lot of classless Illini fans have found
>their way onto the net in the past few weeks, or possibly a whole lot
>of Michigan woofing is "coming home to roost."  From here it looks
>like the latter.  If one dishes it out when one's team is up, one has
>to be prepared to take it when one's team is down.
>
>You guys are still going to the Rose Bowl, and you can thank the Illini
>for your not needing a win in Columbus to get there.  (Not that Michigan
>won't probably win that game anyway, mind you, but better safe than
>sorry.)

	In a way, it's quite incredible that Illinois didn't win the
	game, given all the opportunities.  Maybe Michigan just isn't
	as good as we thought?  I mean, we should have been tipped off
	on October 31 when Purdue outgained Michigan by 100 yards yet
	lost (no turnovers that day).  This time, Michigan gained over
	500 yards and didn't win, shooting itself in the foot all day.
	How good can they be?
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: NCSU: COUNTDOWN TO ORANGE BOWL, THRASHES WAKE 42-24!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:30:26 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Nov23.154906.12463@ncsu.edu> mcanders@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
>
>To clear up the confusion regarding N.C. State and the Orange Bowl,
>this is the senario:
>
>Orange Bowl
>-----------
>
>Nebraska (or, hopefully, a higher ranked Colorado) vs. N.C. State

You better hope that Colorado is the team... Nebraska has this nasty habit
of running up the score!

>That is the senario.
>By the way, anyone who thinks we don't deserve it, think back to Oct. 3-10.
>Texas Tech loses to #4 Texas A&M by 2 points on a late field goal.
>The next week they visit us here. The final score? 48-13 N.C. State!!!!

Yeah.. do you want to be reminded what was the final score when Oklahoma
played Texas Tech AT THEIR HOME??? 35-6 (?).

Given the fact that sooners aren't too hot this, that doesn't say much about
NC State.

Njan
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From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Question
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:12:23 GMT

Miguel Salas asks:
> Next year when PS joins the Big 10, of course there will be eleven teams.
> How many in conference games will each Big 10 team will play?

Big Ten teams play eight conference games next year.  Even if the Big Ten
expands to twelve teams, they will probably still (as the SEC does now)
play eight conference games.

Ohio State is planning three-non-conference-games-per-year through at
least the year 2001, so they at least don't expect that to change.

1993:	09/11 WASHINGTON	09/18 Pittsburgh	09/25 (tba)
1994:	09/10 Washington	09/17 PITTSBURGH	09/24 (tba)
1995:	09/16 WASHINGTON	09/23 Pittsburgh	09/30 NOTRE DAME
1996:	09/14 FLORIDA STATE	09/21 PITTSBURGH	09/28 Notre Dame
1997:	09/13 OREGON		09/20 ARIZONA		09/27 Missouri
1998:	09/12 (tba)		09/19 MISSOURI		09/26 WEST VIRGINIA
1999:	09/11 UCLA		09/18 (tba)		09/25 Florida State
2000:	09/16 (tba)		09/23 Arizona		09/30 (tba)
2001:	09/15 (tba)		09/22 Ucla		09/29 (tba)
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From: milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC))
Subject: Re: MIGHTY MICHIGAN ... and notre dame
Organization: University of Minnesota
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:02:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.003609.1014@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@mauchly.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
...
>In my (obviously biased) opinion ... Michigan is
>not even a top 15 team.  The only thing they've
>done was tie Notre Dame.  They played poorly
>agsint Purdue, Illinois, and Ohio State ...
>I don't even think they're the best team in the
>Big 10 ...           

If not Michigan, then which team do you believe IS the best team 
in the BIG10 this year? I like to hear your logic explaining why.

-bob
a Michigan fan



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From: A10035@email.mot.com (Scott Lindsey)
Subject: For U.W. Huskies
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:52:54 GMT


I would like to get some feedback from some people who are reading Seattle
and surround area newspapers about Napoleon Kaufman. OK, he's the first
sophomore to break 1000 yards. Why is he only getting the ball about 12 times
per game?? Fumbles???? He had 3 (i think) the week before. He had one late
in the game Saturday, but after the game was over. 

I watched the WSU/UW game Saturday.
I noticed that the quarterback (Brunell, Burnell, whatever) seemed to
always run the ball on the options, even when it looked like the smart
thing to do was to pitch it. What the story?? With the poor showing
of UW, it seems as though you have to question why Kaufman was not
given the ball more!!!
I say bench the quarter-back. He is over-rated. Stick Hobart orwhatever the
 other QB's called back in there!! Then they might win the Rose Bowl.
And give Kaufman the ball 30 times!! He'll get over 200 yards!
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From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Tounging Your Sister
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 18:38:28 GMT

     Ohio State and Michigan have tied this year, leaving both sides with the
unfortunate duty of kissing their sisters. I've noticed that Michigan fans seem
to be enjoying it, though, as this is their third time. What's up, guys, is she
slipping you the tongue? Does more of the state have a U.P. mentality than the
geography would make us think? :-)

                                        Steve
///
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    So they gave me integral calculus, and I said "Hit me again"
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From: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones)
Subject: Re: ND and southern teams (was: FSU 1993 Schedule)
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Reply-To: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:51:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.172258.6800@cs.ucla.edu>, 
reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes...
> 
>Relative to the number of great teams there are in the south, Notre Dame's
>schedule tends to be underrepresented in southern teams.  They've played
>very recently at Tennessee, and Miami, but not too many other places south
>of the Mason Dixon line.  (Unless you count Los Angeles.)  Since the
>major bowls are largely in the south, Notre Dame has played in those a lot,
>though often against non-southern teams.  Notre Dame and Alabama have only 
>played four or five times *total*, most of those in bowls.  I believe that
>Notre Dame has similar numbers of matchups with Georgia, Auburn, and some
>of the other longstanding southern football powers.  There was indeed 
>an ugly incident at Georgia Tech during the Devine years, which explains why 
>Georgia Tech and Notre Dame don't play regularly, but I don't know of any 
>particular animosity between ND and Florida, or Florida State, or Clemson, 
>or Auburn, or any of the other fine teams from the south.  Part of the
>reason is doubtless that many of Notre Dame's traditional rivals are from
>the east or midwest, part of the reason is a desire to avoid too much long
>travel (though that doesn't stop home and home series with USC, Stanford,
>Air Force, or BYU), but, otherwise, I don't really know why Notre Dame's
>schedule is so light on southern teams.  I don't think this is changing
>much in the upcoming years, as I remember ND's future schedules.  Other
>than the games with Florida State, I don't remember any other southern
>teams coming onto ND's schedule.
> 
>-- 
>		Peter Reiher
>		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
> 
===============================================================================
Future new ND opponents through 1997:
FSU 93-94
Vanderbilt 95-96
Texas 95-96
Army 95
Ohio State 95-96
Washington 95-96
Rutgers 96
LSU 97
West Virginia 97
Miami (OH) 97
This seems to be pretty well spread out geographically. The series with FSU 
should be a good one because of the good relations between the head coaches. 
Wasn't Skip Holtz even a graduate assistant at FSU/
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From: jsnow@javelin.sim.es.com (John Snow)
Subject: BYU Update: Honors, injuries, bowls
Keywords: BYU football
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:59:58 GMT

BYU linebacker Todd Herget was named the WAC defensive player of the
week.

BYU linebacker Shad Hansen's knee injury is not as severe as first
thought. It is possible that he could play Saturday against Utah.

The Aloha Bowl has announced that it will take Hawaii if Hawaii does
not go to the Holiday Bowl. BYU could only have a shot at the Aloha if
Hawaii wins and San Diego St. loses this Saturday, sending Hawaii to
the Holiday Bowl. It is still most likely that BYU would end up at the
Copper Bowl with Fresno St. or possibly Utah going to the Freedom
Bowl.

The fourth place WAC team could end up playing a much tougher opponent
than the first place WAC team in a bowl. The Holiday Bowl is committed
to taking the third place Big 10 team. The fourth place WAC team could
end up in the freedom bowl playing the third place PAC 10 team. A
third place PAC 10 team would appear to be a much stronger opponent
this year than the third place Big 10 team.

--John

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From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Why Michigan sucks..
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:59:17 GMT

In article <14713.2b09a27d@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>.. and another thing. It looks like the reason Moeller went for
>the tie against Illinois was because he wanted to wrap up the Big-10
>Championship WITHOUT having to play Ohio State. Basically he's scared
>(even though the goofball won't admit it, even Schembechler thinks
>he's a dork).
>
>So his being scared of OSU cost Michigan a chance at the MNC. Too Bad.
>
>And it would have been so much fun...  :/
>
>-Garrett
>

Y'know, all this talk about Moeller from OSU fans/students/alums/whatever 
is kind of funny considering that Mo is an OSU alum.  He was captain of 
the Buckeye football his senior in 63(?).  If his "goofball"ness is 
any indication of the caliber of Michigan, what must it say about 
Ohio State?  :) 
---
Steve

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From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Re: How Colorado could still win the Big 8, pt.2
Organization: Sterling Software, IMD
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:14:14 GMT
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In article <1992Nov16.031745.10010@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>
>Now, talking about NU, they have been VERY IMPRESSIVE at *HOME* this year.
>But, in their away games, they lost to Washington, Iowa State( fancy that!)
>and Missouri played real well against them! Missouri also played well
>against Colorado, but if the NU team  played like they did against CU,
>I doubt if the game would have been that close. This points to the
>fact that NU is a really good team at home, but they aren't that good
>when they are away.
>
>What I am saying is that they will be in for some serious football when
>they visit Norman.
>
>Also, I heard some folks saying that NU was probably looking ahead to the
>next game (or even OB!). Give me a break. You guys were beaten by a team
>which played better that day. So try out on yourself some of that advice you
>were giving out to CU fans a couple of weeks earlier!

I don't know where you heard this, the NU players and coaches admitted
that they were outplayed in ~every~ aspect of the game.  And, having attended
the game, they were.  The ISU defense was, quite frankly, awesome against NU's
running game.  NU would just get things going and then ISU would catch a
running back in the backfield for a seven of eight yard loss.  Make no bones
about it ISU won this game.  They controlled the ball, controlled the clock,
didn't have turnovers, and played awesome defense.  Congratulations ISU.

Go Huskers!
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Can the Cougars get *ANY* respect?! (was Re: Cotton Powder Puffs!)
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 05:10:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.034004.1906@news.nd.edu> rwood1@artin.helios.nd.edu (richard wood) writes:

>Don't be so quick to call other teams wimpy...

Why don't you practice what you preach (below)?


>the Huskies just got "thumped" by lowly Wash St.
                                   ^^^^^
Lowly??!!  Tell me, Richard, how you justify using the 
term "lowly" when referring to the Cougars?

Jim
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From: merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin)
Subject: Re: The NCAA Applies its Double Standard Again
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:41:24 GMT

Todd Lee Henderson writes:
>Glenn Tanner writes:
>>That's not much more than a slap on the wrist if you ask me, especially when 
>>you consider the slaps SMU got in 1984 and TCU got in 1985.  And there is 
>
>I personally thought TCU got shafted.  I thought the coach turned in many
>of his best players and alums before anything broke.  I don't think that
>bought them anything at all.  I feel like the NCAA sent a message with this:
>
>'Don't turn yourself in, the penalty will not be any easier if you do, hide
>it as long as possible.'

Not to pick nits, but I go to school at TCU and the word down here is that
there was some evidence that Wacker knew about the payments to players
before he "stumbled over a bag of money in Kenneth Davis's dorm room and 
was so outraged that he turned his own program in." The more likely scenerio
was "Gee, they're really coming down on SMU hard, we better turn ourselves
in to minimize our chances for the death penalty." I personally think that
TCU got exactly what they deserved.

Teresa
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From: gunner1+@pitt.edu (Jayant Rajgopal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES
Keywords: travesty
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:15:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov16.150509@IASTATE.EDU> rwturner@IASTATE.EDU (Richard W Turner) writes:
>If Iowa beats Minnesota this weekend and
>Michigan state loses to Illinois, both very
>real possibilities, then Iowa will be (6-6) and
>will receive a bid to play in the Holiday Bowl.
>
>I think this would be a travesty, look at the 
>teams Iowa has beaten
>
>Iowa State (home)
>Wisconsin  (home)
>Northwestern (home)
>Indiana      (road)
>Illinois    (road)
>
>hardly an impressive list, surely there will
>be more deserving teams who won't get to go
>to a bowl.

Tough shit !

Come one, you're surely not naive enough to
think that bowl invitations are sent out purely
on the basis of football merit.  What matters a LOT
is (1) how many fans the school is capable of 
drawing, and (2) how influential the school, its
conference and its coach are.  In both regards,
most Big 10 teams - and certainly Iowa - come out
pretty strongly. 

Now, having said that I must admit that I hope the 
Hawks turn down an invite if one comes their way - 
I don't think I can stand to watch BYU or SDSU or some
other dinky WAC school beat up on them...


>
>Richard Turner
>
>Go Michigan State
>Go Minnesota

Well, well, well, look where this post originated from - 
good old Moo U ! I just noticed.  I guess that explains
why you sound so righteously indignant.  Hey, you have to
get used to these things.  Play a few more like last week
and you might eventually get noticed.
 
--jr--

Go Hawkeyes (please...)
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From: dostalik@utdallas.edu (Bill Dostalik)
Subject: Re: OU over OSU woof
Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:52:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.190338.28639@a.cs.okstate.edu> chen@a.cs.okstate.edu (SMITH LISA MIN-YI) writes:
>
>Whatcha think about OU going for the tie instead of the win?  Kinda lowering
>your standards, huh?

Yes.  I was furious when we ran the tailback up the middle on 3rd & 5 with less than
30 seconds and on timeouts.  But after the game, Cale took the fall for that one,
saying it was a check at the line.  I guess he saw something in their defense, but
sheesh, we hadn't been able to run all day.  I would have thought Cale would have
wanted the chance to win the game with his arm.  But I guess in the heat of the 
moment, with the clock running, he made a quick decision and will have to live 
with it.  He did take at least one shot to the endzone prior to that play.

With that play over,  4th & 5, 15 seconds left, no way to stop the clock,
the FG was the right decision.  If we had had a timeout, well, that's a different
story.

This game was typical of the entire season.  It ain't been a pretty one for 
Sooner fans.  But that should be no surprise, all the writers had us picked
3rd in the Big 8, due to inexperience and lack of depth in the lines.  Well,
we couldn't run, and had trouble stopping people, especially in the later 
stages of the game.  Inexperienced lines and lack of depth in the lines.

I say, let's go ahead and start the '93 season the day after Thanksgiving and
stick it to the Huskers.  Put these 10 games behind us and press on.  There are
better days ahead!  And I believe Gary Gibbs will be the OU coach for next season.
And probably the one after that.

Beat Nebraska!  Even if it does send CU to the OB.  I don't hate them *that* much.
BTW - Great job, pokes.  I was impressed.  You've come a *long* way from last year.

    OOOO      
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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: Open question to Notre Dame fans
Keywords: n
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 22:37:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.002347.1106@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes:
>How about if ND drops the Navy game from its schedule, and decides to resume
>the series with Miami??? Navy hasn't won a game in this series since the 60's.
>What do you ND'ers think??

Bring on the 'Canes every year!  But, one condition:  Miami drops its
easiest game also.  Hopefully, their Big East schedule will be more
competitive, and will bring more respect to the other schools, esp.
Syracuse and Boston College. The Big East should also improve just to keep 
up with Miami.

-
Greg Sroka
Menlo Park, CA
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