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From: CXMP000 <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: RE: Troi on TA II (**SPOILERS**)
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:04:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.144042.166045@watson.ibm.com> rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers) writes:
>   Sorry if this has already been brought up...
>
>   Did anyone catch Troi's dark sun tan on TA II?                      t

Did I ever!  I have *never* been as turned on by Marina Sirtis as I
was last night!  (Actually, I'm usually more interested in the actress
who plays Ro but I understand that she'd rather do movies than STTNG.:()

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From: scsd1005@altair.selu.edu (Terry Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Picard for President in 92 (was <None>)
Date: 3 Oct 92 11:39:55 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

RE: Picard's ineligibility to be U.S. president

PLUS

(I inadvertently deleted the attribution and I'm too lazy to
go back and retrieve it -- sorry. <g>)

> 
> Still, Picard/Riker cannot run in 1992 because they won't be born until
> the 24th Century.  Picard/Riker 2392??  :-)> 

It doesn't matter that Picard won't be born until the 24th
century or that he's not a U.S. citizen born in U.S.  That can be
fixed.  If we really want him for president in 1992, all we have
to do is have him come back in time and serve for eight years
then return to his own century. As far as the requirement that he
be a naturally-born U.S. citizen, well, let's go into the future,
find his mother (before he was born), persuade her to come to the
U.S., and let Picard be born here.  That should solve the problem
nicely.  <g>

    ...terry
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From: lowerjc@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (J. Craig Lowery)
Subject: Re: Transporting in Realm of Fear *SPOILERS*
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:36:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.225442.19821@wdl.loral.com> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
>If transportation involves decomposition and reconstitution,
>how is it that Barclay's body is intact while he is in the
>matter stream? The inside shot of transportation somehow
>wasn't what I expected.

Yeah.  I've always thought that, for the transportee, there was a period of
time not experienced by his conciousness.  It's seems that the brain's state
should be frozen during transport, since it has been basically "photographed"
for transmission to another site, where it is reanimated.

<Craig>

Craig Lowery
Mississippi College
lowery@AuE.com
From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data and contractions
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:53:06 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In <goudswaa.717631178@sfu.ca> goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard):
> The fact is, it is very easy to implement, and some layman at Paramount
> decided to give Data a few machine-like characteristics.  Unfortunately,
> not being able to say contractions was a wrong choice.

If the point was to make Data sound more machine-like than Lore, not using
contractions might be a very simple way to achive this goal.  Perhaps Data's
program has something like a look-up table in some low level part of the
speech area that has a list of words that Data is not allowed to say no
matter what.  For example, if `can't' is on the list, Data's voice would not
say it even if Data was able to understand what it means.  This might also
explain why he was able to say `gonna'--it might not have been on the list
that Dr Sung put in Data's voice computer.

-john-

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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Glaring Inconsistency (tm) (IMHO) in Time's Arrow Part One
Keywords: Data contraction inconsistency
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:34:11 GMT

>      When Data is in his hotel room doing the 'inventing thing', and the
> bellboy brings in the anvil, they both sit down.  The following is slightly
> paraphrased, but conveys the gist of their conversation...
> 
> Bellboy:  Wow!  What is all this stuff?  What's it *** gonna *** be when you'
>           finished?
> 
> Data:     Well, what do YOU think it is (pause) *** gonna *** be?
> 
>      Surely "gonna" is a slang contraction of "going to".  Poor English, but
> nevertheless, a contraction.  If Data is able to learn such colloquial
> expressions, why can he not learn to say "can't", even if he learns it as a
> new word which is synonymous to "can not"?  (Or was this simply a slip
> on the part of the writers?  I doubt this, since there is a slight dramatic
> pause just before Data actually says "gonna".)

Well we all know Data can use slang, but cannot use contractions. Personally
I see not reason why this is so since slang is just as informal, if not more
so, than a contraction. Perhaps Data was just immitating the bellboy by
using gonna? Or perhaps Breant Spiner can use contractions despite the fact
Data can not and one slips by once in awhile?
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From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: REALM OF FEAR -- OPINIONATED COMMENTS
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:38:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.110508.12676@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>
>Realm of Spoilers ahead
>


















Even though I agree with very few of the opinions expressed in this post, 
I have to admit it was mostly well reasoned and thought-provoking.

However, I have to take issue with:
>
>Plotwise, the mystery-ship subplot wasn't bad as far as tacked on
>science menace subplots go. It had some atmosphere, as I mentioned above,
>but suffered from a rushed ending as often. Barclay's deductive flash
>seems just too easy to me, and Worf and Beverly were awfully quick to jump
>on his orders ("grab 'em and hold on.") The ending was also predictable
>as hell -- anyone who couldn't figure out that the worms were really
>the missing crew after the first act just wasn't trying.
>

In "Anyone who couldn't figure out..."  you have to include Warf and the other
security people  (I don't think it was Beverly, but that's a quibble)
And the evidence backing up Barclay's order was a living, breathing,
human being right there in the room!!  Including these statements in the
same paragraph is rather interesting.

I think in your effort to find faults, you've spotted two of which even you
ought to be able to admit one cancels the other.  Yes, it *was* predictable,
but so is most of life, to someone with the advantage of a completely
separate perspective, i.e. the viewer.

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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Re: Defense of Time's Arrow II
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Reply-To: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:30:20 GMT
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In article <19qhntINNl3e@aludra.usc.edu> ruzon@aludra.usc.edu (The Ruz-master) writes:
>Here be spoilers:

>
>Once again I have a hard time believing that there were people who have
>seen Time's Arrow II and did not like it.  Perhaps when my attitude towards
>Star Trek becomes pessimistic, I will look at it that way, too, but that has
>as much chance of happening as large primates emanating from my derriere.
>
	I didn't really like it, although I didn't hate it. I am
not pessimistic -- I look forward to watching the new episodes.
The reason, however, was not the inconsistencies, although they
were numerous, because I've gotten used to that stuff.

	The reason was the wrap up. Nothing about the aliens were
explained. I felt that "manually inputting" a message into Data's
head was a cheap way to get out of the mess. As well, the ending
was yet another example of a last-second solution which saves the
day. Geordi sends the message just in the nick of time, and
O'Brien, having his fingers continuously on the transporter so
that he can have an instantaneous response time, locks onto and
transports up Picard in less time than it takes the photon
torpedos to reach the planet.

	It was just a cheap ending.
	-- Ethan



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From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: Computer on Enterprise
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 16:01:36 EDT

In article <20664@plains.NoDak.edu> jclark@plains.NoDak.edu (The Master Coder) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.073412.9804@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00rdharringt@bsu-ucs.uucp (Rob Harrington) writes:
>>And another thing, if all you have to do is say "Computer" what happens
>>when the word "Computer" comes up in casual conversation?
>
>Well, then the word "computer" is ignored through the use of some very advanced
>Artificial Intelligence routines known as "Script Writing" and "Dramatic
>License."
>
>Now, if I could get some better script writers for my life....
>
>Justin J. Clark (jclark@plains.nodak.edu)
>Traveller through time and space, stranded in a world gone mad!

Now that you mention it, how is it the computer actually understands and
responds to all the slang and wry asides uttered by crewmembers talking to
it? I'm referring to episodes I've seen when Giordi and Bev banter with the
computer.



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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: Time-loop flaw in Time's Arrow II
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 20:23:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct2.194945.11052@u.washington.edu> dfried@darwin.genetics.washington.edu (David Friedman) writes:

>The watch is aging normally, and eventually will stop
>working.  Every 500 years it is picked up by the Enterprise
>and then brought back to the 19th century cavern to cycle
>again.

I didn't watch too closely, but is this possible?

He dropped his watch in the cavern, brought the 'aged' watch back
with him, and kept the aged watch? So from the watch's point of
view, it got dropped, left for 500 years, then picked up and
carried away (back to its 'home' time).

I probably missed some reason this explanation doesn't work (and
avoids paradox)

Joshua
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Subject: Re: _War_Drums_ Review: *SPOILERS*
From: <WITHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 29 Sep 1992 10:33:44 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Sep15.195240.2497@u.washington.edu>, rene@hardy.u.washington.edu
(Rene Magritte) says:
> <stuff deleted>
>
>   Yeah, War Drums has plot holes you could drive the Enterprise
>through.  Mr.
>oh-no-I-busted-the-tricorder-and-can't-locate-the-Kligons Data seemed
>to conveniently forget that he could have radioed the orbiting
>enterprise to have another sent.
>
>   My biggest objection to the Pocket trek I've read is that the
>writers don't seem to give a damn about the quality of the writing.  I
>happened to be reading a Ray Bradbury novel around the time I read War
>Drums and the contrast between the two was killing me...

Would you believe most writer's manuscript sounds like a episode of TNG?
Because that's how I read most of these novels, like a two part episode.  Of
course there would be plot holes and of course most of the mysteries are
cleared up by the time I reach into the middle of the book.  But in truth TNG
part of the Trek novels have been sub standard.  I cannot deny that...
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow - Data's Head
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:28:10 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <15791@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>In article <m-overmier1.19.717712942@uiuc.edu> m-overmier1@uiuc.edu (Mark Overmier) writes:
>>How is it possible that Data could hold his own head?  How could he have 
>>two heads (actually the same one) occupying the same time and space? 
>>This seems to conflict with the theories of time travel I know that 
>>the same entity (or parts thereof) cannot occupy the same time.	
>
>Ah, the Blinovitch Limitation Effect.  :-)  (The all-purpose explanation
>for limits on time travel in Doctor Who.)  Actually, the idea of Time Ramming,
>which states that no two objects can occupy the same space and time, is
>generally thought only to happen when the objects are in EXACTLY the same
>place at the same instant.  Data's other head was in his hand, so it wasn't
>sharing the same space as his attached head, which was sitting on his
>shoulders.
>
>So no paradox.
>
The BLE and Time Ram  are two different effects.
The BLE was eventually nailed down an explained to be the violent energy
release associated with a causalistic space/time event (ie sentient being)
meets itself in either its own past or future (depending on which side
you look at it from.)

Think of your life as a live electrical wire.  At one end (the power source),
you are born, the length of the wire is the time you live, and at the
other end is the ground, where you are grounded out and die.  (and you're
already buried too :).  
Anyway, think of your daily life as forever moving steadily along the wire.
Think of the effect if you suddenly unplugged your life from the world
around you and replugged it in back in time some distance.  The danger
here is if the wire should ever cross itself uninsulated, i.e. the
wire loops back and touches itself.
As Tegan would say, "Zap!"
And unless there's something in the area ready and waiting to absorb all
of the energy release like a sponge, you're fried!

This seems to me a more realistic treatment of what could happen if you
met yourself back in time than what we've seen in either or Star Trek
or the Back to the Future movies, and I don't just think that because
I like Doctor Who, as you can all tell.  :)


Time Ram is what happens when time machines try to arrive at exactly the
same points in space and time.  The result is again a violent "Whoomph!"
and one of the few ways a TARDIS can be destroyed.
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From: dv@cc-mac.nbn.com (David Vezie)
Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Organization: Computer Concepts
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:16:36 GMT

My All-Star Crew:

captain			-- Picard (1st officer has fistfights, not captain)
first officer		-- Riker (or maybe Kirk, hmm...)
chief science officer	-- Data
chief medical officer	-- Crusher
chief engineer		-- Scotty
chief of security	-- Yar
tactical officer	-- Worf
helm			-- Ro
transport chief		-- O'Brien
assistant doctor	-- McCoy (under Crusher for interesting conflicts)
occasional ambasador	-- Spock
ship's shrink		-- Troi
-- 
David Vezie dv@sonoma.edu,dv@xnet.ssl.berkeley.edu
From: CXMP000 <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: Transporter/replicator technology.
Organization: McGill University
Follow-Up: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 01:48:35 GMT

In article <1a0356INNqqp@fido.asd.sgi.com> autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry) writes:
>In article <1992Sep25.201831.3811@tronsbox.xei.com> dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan) writes:
>> I doubt that the transporters are precise enough to go beaming little
>>parts into places, though.  And it certainly couldn't make the necessary
>>connections for working parts, or weld new hull sections in place.
>>
>Consider that the transporters are precise enough to fit the all of
>the sub-atomic particles of the body together again.  Surely the
>transporters could handle such a mundane task as a new hull section.
>
>It appears as though many times the story line concerning technology
>is incongruous. Also, if one technology exists, then there should be
>parallel applications.  An example of this is, food can be
>replicated, but people (or objects?) in the holodeck can not be made
>permanent.

>Larry Autry
>Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
>autry@sgi.com

As I understand it, the computer uses transporter technology in the
holodeck continuously so that the "holograms" appear to move continuous-
ly, just as movies or television creates the illusion of continuous
motion.  When you say "Computer: freeze program", however, the computer
leaves everything alone and I imagine that the "holograms" could be
picked up and taken out of the holodeck as if the holodeck were nothing
but a glorified replicator.  Recall that in the episode "Elementary,
Mr. Data", they were given a map of the Enterprise by Dr. Moriarty and
took it to the bridge.

BTW, I've directed follow ups to rec.arts.startrek.tech

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From: IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST: TNG movie ???
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:34:09 GMT
 <tomcat.717891545@cwis> <1992Sep30.233356.23651@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
 <92274.224635DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <92274.224635DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>, DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu says:
>
>I don't have anything against Frakes either, but I think that Riker
>wouldn't make a great captain....but who else could they get? Barclay?
>That would be good for a groan or two.  Maybe Spock could come out of
>retirement and serve as the captain for another season....

Oh, please, THAT'S a groaner.  Finally becoming Captain of the E would
allow the Riker Character to grow.  The fact that Riker never the captaincy of
another ship, despite the offers, limited the character.  It would have
been far better to have not brought the matter up to begin with.  It was
never brought up in TOS for Spock and the security of that allowed the writers
to develop him more.

Follow-ups to: ras.misc
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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: TNG Credits:  Realm Of Fear
Keywords: credits
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:38:18 GMT

Was there something we were supposed to notice in those credits? If so I missed
it!

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From: carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne)
Subject: Re: Data+Riker+Troi = Spock
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:27:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.133043.12339@news.acns.nwu.edu>, glover@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric Glover) writes:
|> That all Glover team would be.
|> Kirk - Captain
|> Sulu- At the Helm/No.2
|> Spock - Science Officer/No.1
|> Guinan - Communications
|> Bones - CMO
|> Scotty - Engineering
|> Worf - Weapons
|> Data - Ship's Computer
|> 
|> And the ship-- thats easy, The Excelsior.  :).

Are you mad, lad?  Montgomery Scott would ne'er fly around the galaxy in that bucket 'a bolts!!!
Give him a real ship, laddy!  The Enterprise.

Bryan
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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: Data's Head deterioration not affecting anything Explained!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 06:21:30 GMT

rrogers@watson.ibm.com (Ryan Rogers) writes:
>>The iron filing *had* to be there the entire time as it was placed in the
>>head back in the 1900's by Picard.  But, the time travel stuff has been
>>beat to death for the past few weeks so I won't rehash on that.
>>
>   Agreed.


No, no, no.  How could the filling have been there if Picard hadn't
traveled back in time yet to place it there?  Taking a linear approach
to the problem, when they found the head it was before they discovered
the portal to the past.  So, from point A (discovery of the head) to
point B (travel to the past), the head has just languished in the cave
for 500 years with no one the wiser.  Now, later in the future
timeline, Picard & Co. travel back and then Picard later places the
filling in the head.  He couldn't have done it before then as he was
still on the Enterprise.  It's not that hard to comprehend...  Of
course, time travel is not possible so you can come up with any theory
you want...

Mike
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From: z_clarkmj@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Need help with episode name
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:36:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccsvax.1992Sep30.093605.1273
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <52400010@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>, mhampsch@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Mark Hampsch) writes:
> I do not remember the name of the show but that was very important because
> the big E did not have enough chemicals to restore the soil back to normal
> but there was this ship that deals with the black market that had the
> chemicals they needed.  Data went over to get them and the captain of the
> other ship was a pirate and collected special rare items.  They knocked out
> Data and anilazied what Data was made of and put thoses compoundes on the
> shuttle craft and blew up the shuttle.  Captian Picard thought Data was
> dead and went back to the planet and solved their problems. Riker or Georde,
> I do not rember which one it was but they thought that the cargo ship
> just happened to be in the right place at the right time was not right.
> Picard went back to the cargo ship.  While the big E was away Data was
> trying to escape from this prisson.  An away team beams over and helps Data
> defeat the captian of the cargo ship.
> 
> 
> I think that is how it went.
> 
> Mark hampsch
> 
"The Most Toys"
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: my beef with time's arrow
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:07:40 EST

>That ain't it. It's a (forget the word) wave detector. Whatever they found in
>the cavern exists around the aliens. That's how the doctor was able to locate
>them, and later, Data. When the two aliens disappeared, Data's detector
>noted the waves and located them for him. The aliens also could not have been
>travelling through time because they did not have the snake head cane.
>That's also how Data found the cave - using his device.

Ya fergot to put in "UN: " before the subject again, Steve.  Without it
nobody except us CRS users can read your mail.


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