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From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: Fascist EC is at it again (EC bans tuning)
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:29:02 GMT

In article <1861@tekgen.bv.tek.com> tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell) writes:
>So how are 'they' going to tell if you've reset your needles, installed
>larger main jets, enlarged the bore, ported the heads, installed an
>ingition advancer etc?  Do they have someone tear down your motor?  Stick
>it on a dyno?  If you keep it stock looking do they leave you alone?

Yes they do that. If your bike papers and your license say: up to 27 hp
and your riding a CBR600F2 and you passed the cops with 200+ km/h on
the autobahn they take the bike away on the spot and tear it down to
check if you removed the hp limitation or if you tuned it any other way.

If you have a class 1 license (unlimited hp) and your bike papers say
100 hp for the CBR they say ok and you can ride on even if you have 
a turbocharger with 200 hp on it. They never know. It would be really
unlucky if you meet a cop who knows what a bike is and that this little
nitro charger you mounted on gives you + 100 hp :-) And than they would
take it away too, but if you rejettet the beast, bored it, ... no one
will ever notice. As I stated in an article before, the pipe is the killer.
If you run the stock pipe they will not pull you over. If you have non
street legal pipes they will check for other stuff too.

-Axel
-- 
fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
From: dug@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dug Smith)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:17:29 GMT
Subject: Re: OWO1 (FZR750R) / FZR 1000 conversions
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing

>As an aside I believe another fairly easy conversion is the GSXR750 / 1100 -
>grafting the motor needs a little more work as it's slightly taller than the 
>750 - but still not too difficult.
>Happy hunting - Robin Maytum - 

I seem to remember some American magazine with an article on a GSX600 with a
GSXR100 engine...you want wheelspin...? :)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: Fascist EC is at it again (EC bans tuning)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:36:50 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester
Keywords: repost, funky newsfeed

In article <PLZ0VNT@netmbx.netmbx.de>, fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes:

|> once in a while with my RZ350 (RD350YPVS) but as soon as they see my
|> license (class 1 - unlimited hp) they say ok, ride along.
|> 

|> -Axel
|> -- 
|> fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228

what did you have to do to get a class 1 license (like what additional
training/testing)?  i didn't know there were different license levels in
germany...

axel
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: DOD number / Daytona Beach
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:31:52 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: JTL106@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: ? superbike racing in PA or tri-state area
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:14:37 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Can anyone please give me the schedules for spring or summer 93' superbike
races in PA. ,NY., WVU.



Thanx........
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: rfreemal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Richard C Freemal)
Subject: Daytona Beach / DOD number
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:26:11 GMT

******************************************************************************

     Has anyone been to Daytona Beach  for BIKE week.  If so could you please

     send me some info about events going on.  Not so much racing but other

     things, along with the hot spots.  Also if you have been to the 200 at

     Daytona speedway, is it better to get grand stand seats or get in field

     and pit passes.  We would like to try and video some of the racing.

          Does any one know who to send e-mail to, to get a DOD number?  I

     would like to get one before I head to Daytona.  I was thinking about

     getting a tee shirt with it printed on, and hopefully me some other

     DOD members at Daytona.  Thank for any Info.

****************************************************************************
                Its not what you ride, but that you ride!
Freemal@1osu.edu
Richard Freemal                                   CBR1000F
Computer Operator                                 Bikers Corner
Unversity Systems                                 11th and High St.
                          Columbus, Ohio
*****************************************************************************
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Fascist EC is at it again (EC bans tuning)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:33 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <ULZ0DRT@netmbx.netmbx.de>,
 fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer) writes...
>In article <1861@tekgen.bv.tek.com>
>	 tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell) writes:
>>So how are 'they' going to tell if you've reset your needles, installed
>>larger main jets, enlarged the bore, ported the heads, installed an
>>ingition advancer etc?  Do they have someone tear down your motor?  Stick
>>it on a dyno?  If you keep it stock looking do they leave you alone?
> 
>Yes they do that. If your bike papers and your license say: up to 27 hp
>and your riding a CBR600F2 and you passed the cops with 200+ km/h on
>the autobahn they take the bike away on the spot and tear it down to
>check if you removed the hp limitation or if you tuned it any other way.

	I have also heard here (no reason to suspect it any different in the
Big Kanton :-) that the cops take a portable dyno around to the schools and
check all the mopeds to see if they have been modified beyond the (some small
number) kW allowed.  One of our students told me he was caught once with a
freer-flowing exhaust (hell, a drinking straw would flow more than the headers
those things have!).

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484
From: Michael.Nelson@f20.n125.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: OWO1 (FZR750R) / FZR 1000 conversions
X-Sender: newtout 0.07 Jan  3 1993
Date: 20 Jan 93  23:49:04

RM-> still not too difficult. For those of you with a need for something a
RM-> little more powerful ( !! ), there's always the CBR900 turbo
RM-> conversion (Feature at the NEC bike show - and subsequently in
RM-> something like Fast Bikes) - 200 bhp !!!

    Being the owner of one that's nearly stock, I can tell you no turbo is
needed.... <grin>
                                             - Michael -
                                      (nelson@seahunt.imat.com)

--- GoldED 2.41.B1207+ #1102
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Re: Fascist EC is at it again (EC bans tuning)
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:23:56 GMT
Keywords: repost, funky newsfeed

In article <1993Jan20.162142.8410@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> hackenbe@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rudi Hackenberg) writes:
>|> This is already forbidden in germany since at least 10 years.
>|> If you get caught with a changed rear sproket your in big trouble. You
>|> could loose your license for that. Tuning your bike is strictly forbidden.
>...so what? what does that mean in real live? Never screwed around
>with carbs and cams, Axel? Not to offend you, just trying to provide
>the right impression. The audience here might think we follow the law 
>(too) strictly :).

Well, I didn't said that *I* follow the rules .... :-) 

>How do you handle that? One bike for the track, the other stock? What is
>your experiece in terms of getting caught or registration....just wondering.

I was never caught. I was pulled over back than when I rode my 80ccm bike
with a 1b license (up to 10hp) quite often and they checked everything
everytime (carbs, sproket, displacement, ..) but I never modified anything.

I was never pulled over with my GSX, CBR or GSXR but I get pulled over every
once in a while with my RZ350 (RD350YPVS) but as soon as they see my
license (class 1 - unlimited hp) they say ok, ride along.

>Is he only gonna check your licence and registration card, or does he like to go
>into details... Is it easier for a cop to recognise modifications on a japanese
>bike than on a more exotic one; better an old mill from the 70ies, than a
>'92 model?

Here in Berlin they have a special police force that pulls over a lot of
motorcycle riders for 2 reasons:

a) Enforcing the 27 hp limit for class 1a license riders, thus checking
   if your RZ350, CBR600F2 or whatever you're on has the hp power limitation
   build in so you are not riding a bike with more hp you are allowed to.

b) Enforcing the noise limit. They check your exhaust pipes. If you have
   mounted racing pipes on your bike (or to be more specific any not
   street legal pipes) your in bike trouble. 

You can safely tune your displacement, sprokets, carbs, airbox or whatever.
They will never know or find out. But the pipe. This must remain stock.

-Axel
-- 
fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
From: ae219rh@prism.gatech.EDU (Ray Hixon)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: One of those GNF's
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:25:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Yes, one final note about the '92 WERA GNF.  As posted before, I took the
591 Ascot, and met up with a 600 Supersport bike down in Turn 10 at
Road Atlanta, putting myself and said Ascot into a tire wall at ~125 mph.

After a day of dusting myself off (X-rays, etc,), and putting the Ascot
back together, I took 6th in Clubman, 11th in V5 and D Super, and 4th in
Unlimited Twins.

I had frame windup problems, but attributed them to the new Michelins I
was running (first time off Metzelers), and a visibly bent frame (about
a 15 degree bend to the right).

And now:  the Rest of the Story.  I bought next year's frame to replace
the bent one (FZR400 frame, since we're allowed to switch frames), and
was pulling the motor out of the old bike (still with Ascot frame) when
I noticed that the lower front mounts were _really_ hard to pull out.
I attributed it to the bent frame, and jacked up the motor a bit to get
the stress off.  Still hard to pull out.

Then it came out, and the frame collapsed into two pieces on the garage
floor.  You see, the Ascot frame is a backbone type, and the backbone
had a crack about 90% of the way around it.  This quickly explained both
the handling problems (shaking wildly coming out of corners) and the
base gasket leaks (the engine was all that was connecting the front and
rear wheels).

The moral to this story:  Always check the frame after a crash.  Always
unbolt the engine to check the frame.  Never use a stock Ascot frame.

Though now storing the old bike is easy -- roll the front end to one
side of the garage and roll the rear end to the other...

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ray Hixon
WERA #623 Expert
a Single-minded guy who checks his frame after crashing...
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: ewm@cbnews.cb.att.com (edward.w.mcfarland)
Subject: 1993 NE Road Racing Schedule
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:48:40 GMT
Keywords: AMA/CCS



                        1993 North East 
                        Motorcycle Roadracing Schedule

              US Marshalls Cornerworkers work all the below events-
              email  ewm@mvuzr.att.com   or call Sandy or Bob (617) 933-4087
              for more info. or come to an event and just say; I want to
              cornerwork!  Corner workers are ALWAYS needed.

                    Penguin Roadracing School, US Marshalls FREE
                    cornerworker school on Fridays, racing Sat., Sun.
                    Penguin School (207) 548-2100


        April 23-25                     New Hampshire International
                                        Speedway, Rt. 106, Loudon, NH
                
        May 7-9                         NHIS

        May 28-30                       Bridgehampton Raceway, Bridge-
                                        hampton, Long Island, NY

        June 11-13                      NHIS

        June 17-20                      NHIS  AMA National races

        June 21-23                      NHIS California Superbike School   

        July 2-4                        NHIS Vintage Celebration, cars, 
                                        motorcycles

        July 2-4                        Bridgehampton

        July 16-18                      NHIS

        July 30- Aug. 1                 Bridgehampton

        Aug. 27-29                      NHIS

        Sept. 3-5                       Bridgehampton

        Sept. 17-19                     NHIS

        Oct. 8-10                       NHIS


                                                  |~~~~~|  
                                                  |_____|
  Ed McFarland  ewm@mvuzr.att.com            (_) /|
  US Marshalls #9 (corner marshals)         /| |/
  The best seat in the house to watch        |_|
  motorcycle roadracing!                    /   \  NO Passing on waving Yellow
From: gunnj@ddn-wms.nmi.com (Janet Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: How do I start racing
Summary: tracks
Date: 21 Jan 93 01:37:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA

In article <29740@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) writes:
> 
> >6.  What are the tracks on the East coast that race motorcycles?  I
> >am in North Carolina.
> 
> From north to south: New Hampshire, Bridgehampton (long Island), Pocono,
> Summit Point (WV), Rockingham (NC), Charlotte (NC, national only), Roebling
> Road (Georgia), Daytona, and Nelson Ledges in Ohio.  (who'd I miss?)

Mid Ohio, Road Atlanta, Talladega, Morosso (sp?) and a bunch of others in Fl.

Janet gunnj@nmi.com


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject: Classes/riders courses in August/September '93
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:58:36 GMT


Hi, can anyone please _mail_ me dates of classes or riders training on the
track in August and September '93 prefered in the California, Minnesota
and Ohio area.

I'm not looking for a first time on a bike course but rather for a 
beginners course on the track or something like that.

If you happen to know if they provide leathers and bikes and what the
costs are please mail that also.

-Axel
-- 
fischer@netmbx.de                                                   DoD #0228
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: janj@ios.se (Jan Johansson)
Subject: Re: Fascist EC is at it again (EC bans tuning)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:14:07 GMT
Organization: Integrated Office Systems AB
Keywords: sound

One solution to this is to create a fund with bikers that don't just
follow all laws. Our Ducati Club here in Sweden have created a noise 
fund, you pay 40 Skr (~10 DEM) a year and then the fund pays all your
noise fine, as long as there are any money in the fund.

Jan Johansson, the Swedish Ducati Club
-- my Hailwood just lives --
-- 
Jan Johansson    IOS Svenska AB    Mail: janj@ios.se     Tel: 08-744 52 00
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Getting "in"
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.racing
Summary: Dollars
Reply-To: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 16:12:37 GMT

	I really *hate* to ask such a fundamental question, but what does
it cost to get "in" to roadracing?  I'm pretty sure I can drop a grand
rather easily on safety equipment plus another couple hundred for each race
weekend, but what I need to know is what to drop on a race bike + spares
for a first-time racer.  I'd be considering an EX500 in less than perfect
condition, of course.  Anybody have a clue?  I've heard that in the southeast
U.S. that you can pick up an EX plus a spares bike for a grand.  Is this
true?  If so, where do I begin looking?

Thanks,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: You want wheelspin (was Re: OWO1 (FZR750R) / FZR 1000 conversions)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:33:26 GMT

lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes:

>>I seem to remember some American magazine with an article on a GSX600 with a
>>GSXR100 engine...you want wheelspin...? :)

>And for the ultimate wheelspin we go to Mick Doohan's NSR, which was the
>fastest through the Hokenheim radar gun at 191.3mph. The funny thing is 
>that the wheel speed monitor indicated a top speed of 201.8mph.
>Why the difference? Well, Doohan's onboard computer shows his rear wheel
>is still spinning in sixth gear.

They've got monitors on both wheels, right? How fast was the front wheel
going? :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Fascist EC is at it again (EC bans tuning)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 00:30 PST
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1861@tekgen.bv.tek.com>,
	 tkpowell@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Terry Powell) writes...
>So how are 'they' going to tell if you've reset your needles, installed
>larger main jets, enlarged the bore, ported the heads, installed an
>ingition advancer etc?  Do they have someone tear down your motor?  Stick
>it on a dyno?  If you keep it stock looking do they leave you alone?

	Probably have a tear-down; at your expense!  But seriously, we have a
check (every 2 years for bikes & every year for cages, I think) which includes
an emissions check.  Mine must be coming up soon, so I presume it'll cost me
SFr 200* to have the mechanics put back the bits they changed at the 1000 km
service (all carb jets etc., plus 4 plastic cylinders that can only have been
some sort of restrictor), another 200 to take it across to the Kantonal-
strassenverkehrsamt(Sp? :-) for the test, and another 200 to put it back to
the way it is now so it doesn't die in the arse at 110 km/h, plus whatever
the Kanton charges for the test.  (I had the 12,000 km service yesterday;
cost SFr 893 including 242 for a 110/80V17 ME33 :-( ).  They do set up
roadside emission testing stations to catch the scofflaws, but fortunately
they seem to be rarer than radar traps on the roads I ride.

* Midrate exchange this morning: $1=SFr 1.465

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484
From: fennelli@access.digex.com (Michael Fennell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: How do I start racing
Date: 24 Jan 1993 16:31:16 -0500
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <29821@oasys.dt.navy.mil> sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) writes:
>A (highly) modified hawk is very competetive in AMA/CCS Lightweight
>Supertwins.  Otherswise, its just a lot of fun.  Remember, in the
>ametuer classes, rider talent is more influential than machinery.
>
>	<================================================> 
>       /        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
>      /    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
>     /  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
>    <========================================================>

	The Hawk can also race in lightweight Supersport with UNLIMITED
engine modifications ('tis true, check the rule book).

	
Mike Fennell
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: alt.motorcycles.harley
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:52:17 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <C1GnGB.IIM@fulcrum.co.uk>, rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor)
wrote:
> 
> I note that the alt.motorcycles.harley group has gone terribly quiet.
> Got bored talking to your fellow owners? Same old subjects - you know,
> can't get it started, rust on the exhausts, where can I get a Harley
> beer coaster, etc.

Actually, I was just in the neighborhood and slumming when I saw this
message.  alt.motorcycles.harley is very healthy, thanks.  Generally
the volume is 40% of this list.  That is pretty good considering
the scope of the list!

Awwwww.  I miss you nerds, sooooooo much.  Not.
From: anand@alice.att.com (Anand Iyengar)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CBR600F2 dethroned by '93 ZX-6. Whine......whimper!
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:09:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24707
Reply-To: anand@alice.UUCP ()
Organization: Bell Labs

In article <C1EK5D.1IJ@fulcrum.co.uk> rct@fulcrum.co.uk (Richard Taylor) writes:
> You're the testbed for rampant stupidity.
>
>The test are going well.
	And you're the production version?  

	More seriously, how about if we relegate this, and future statements
such as "pompous Brit", "obnoxious Frenchman", "Wile. E. Coyote" to
the "all generalizations are false" wastebin, where it belongs.  
Don't judge a country through either side of tourism.  

	Add smileys, but how about if we get back to motorcycles...

					Anand.  
--
anand@research.att.com		908-582-2406
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: wfrank@well.sf.ca.us (Wade Franklin)
Subject: Re: Toys
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:00:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.061836.1499@pages.com> bigdog!jon (Jon Wright) writes:
>Ken Konecki writes
>> Whilst playing with a Hot Wheels motorcycle that Santa Claus
>> brought to our 21 month old son, I got to reminiscing about some
>> of the motorcycle toys I played with as a youth.  I have two
>> remembrances:
>>  <<goodies deleted>>
>> Any else remember fun toys from their youth?
>
>How 'bout those plastic whining gizmos from Wham-O that you could put on your  
>stingray bicycle and make motorcycle-like sounds from?  EVERY kid on my street  
>had to have one to join the "'sicle gang".



When I was about eight years old, I had a fake plastic motorcycle engine
on my bicycle. I think it was made by Mattel. It had batteries in it,
and a switch on the handlebar to turn it on so it made noise.

Only took me 27 years to finally get the real thing...
-- 
=------------------------------------------------------------------=
= Wade Franklin          DoD #705      '92 FXDC DynaGlide Custom   =
= wfrank@well.sf.ca.us   HOG, AMA      '66 Triumph Trophy 650      =
=------------------------------------------------------------------=
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: space@bcarh2b1 (Scott Pace)
Subject: Re: What metzeler recommends for tire pressures
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:57:23 GMT

Anyone got a 1-800 number for Metzeler?

--
Scott Pace, space@bnr.ca - the final frontier
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles