HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: border@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Ryan A. Border)
Subject: Re: Fighting Rust
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:05:08 GMT

dd3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Danny R Dalal) writes:
>
>	It's charcoal.  I love it!  Then I went for some serious moutain
>biking, and it got all dirty  (too bad).    So,  my question to the more
>experienced is this:
>How do I go about keeping my components (Deore LX/DX) from rusting and
>my frame as well?  I rinsed the bike down well and dried everything I
>could with a towel.  But the next day I found a tiny bit of rust (on the
>front sprokets, in a allen-wrench type bolt).  I watnt his bike for a
>long time and don't want 
>any rust (or very minimal rust).  I also would like to know how to keep my
>cahin healthy (right now there's mud still in it, you can hear it).

The most foolproof way to keep your bike from rusting is to remove 
any parts that are steel.  On a bike equipped with Deore LX/DX, I 
doubt there is really that much exposed steel anyway (things like 
your rusting chainring bolts are about all that's left I would imagine).
You can buy alloy chainring bolts and, if you look, you might even be able
to find some nifty annodized ones (I have red alloy bolts on my track 
bike). 

On a $525 mountain bike, rust really shouldn't be a problem.  The rims,
crank, stem, bars, seat-post, brakes, derailleurs, etc., should all be
made of aluminum or alloys which don't rust.  Some of these things may
be subject to other kinds of corrosion (ask the metalurgists on the net
about things like road-salt), but I would think that regular cleanings 
would prevent any real damage.  If your going to ride the bike regularly
in the mud and water, you should probably expect little bits of rust to
show up on the odd nut or bolt, unless you are fanatacal about cleaning
and drying the bike after every ride.

As for the frame, one suggestion is to cover small paint chips with clear
fingernail polish.  This will unobtrusivly protect them from rusting if
you don't have the correct touchup paint.

There is an ongoing discussion about chain maintenanace...
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From: dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca (Anarchy for Peace)
Subject: Re: Why Are Power Bars Banned in Canada?
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:19:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.092402.9679@waikato.ac.nz> jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>	Hi folks,  just a quick question prompted a few days back about Power
>Bars being banned in Canada.  WHY?  P.S If it makes you feel better they cost
>around NZ$3.80 down here.
>
>Feel free to e-mail,  but I can't post back to specific sites...
>
>Jonathan.

Well, as the intitial poster, here goes.  One story that I originally heard
(bike shop) was that the Canadian government was pressing charges for false
advertising, claiming that the bars did not actually generate power.

What I just heard today (same bike shop, but a person from the Dep. of Health
and Welfare was there) was that Power Bars contain an ingredient (classified
in Canada as a drug, but in the States as a nutrient. Go figure) that is
not quite kosher with the DHW.  The same now goes for Exceed, Cytomax, the
Time Bar and pretty well everything but Gatorade.  The shop informed me today
that they are no longer able to get the above-mentioned stuff.  They said that
they are on their last carton of CytoMax and can't get any more.  So better
go by your stuff now. I'll guess we'll all be back to fig-newtons and bananas
soon.

Also, with regards to the price, when we could get PowerBars, the bike shops
here were paying $1.90 each for them and selling them for ~$2.60 Cdn.


Colin DeWolfe
dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca


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From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: new record for Bob Cook Hillclimb
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 14:20:27 GMT

koren@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Steve Koren) writes:


>Just in case anyone cares:

>The most recent Bob Cook Memorial Hillclimb saw a new record set.  The
>old record was 1h 47m ??s.  The new record is 1h 45m 30s.  I saw this on
>the news and don't recall who set the new record.  (This is for ~ 6.8 kft
>of climbing up to ~ 14.2 kft).

>  - steve

Mike Engleman of Coor Light set the new record. The old record was
1h 46m 36sec by Alexi Grewal. Scott Moniger of Coors Light came in second,
also ahead of the old record. The day was overcast and cool so the
racers didn't overhead at the bottom and there was no significant
wind to hinder them at the top. Perfect day for a record.

jim
From: georged@meaddata.com (George Dibos)
Subject: Time for rec.bicycles.racer?
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:28:40 GMT

There is such a mixed bag of postings in this group that it is 
getting to be a hassle to wade through...  several hundred after
a weekend, and maybe a hundred each weekday.

It seems that nearly all of them fall into "basic" and "advanced"
categories, which is to say recreational riders and enthusiast/
racers.

Is it time to spin off an enthusiast's group?  
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From: csolar@bcarhb6.bnr.ca (Christopher Solar)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bicycle Racks
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:37:39 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

Our company parking lot has a bunch of good bike racks made by a company called
"Bike Up". I think the company is located here in Nepean, Ontario, Canada.

Basically, you slide your tires up into a vertical slot, and your front wheel is
held by a pin. Each rack holds about 8 or 10 bikes, standing on end and radiating out from the centre of the rack (like some kind of bike tree...). Attached to each slot is a VERY hefty plastic-coated steel cable. One has only to thread this cable through the wheels and the frame (the cable is about 4 feet long) and onto a U-lock. I find these racks very convenient, as I don't have to hassle with removing my front wheel, or try to get my short U-lock to somehow get around two wheels, a frame, and the rack.






 The cable is probably long enough that it could be threaded through the seat rails and maybe even a helmet. Overall, this is a very well-designed rack -- it seems pretty space efficient too.

If anyone wants more information on the supplier, let me know, and I'll go any copy down the information on the rack's label and post it here (I don't have e-mail access).

-Cheers,
Chris S.
613-763-2862
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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: FAQ
Keywords: world championship
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:10:31 GMT

Gary Robishaw writes:
>If the proposed split is approved in any form, will there be more than one
>FAQ? Will a single FAQ be posted to all groups?

Given that this was asked and answered earlier, perhaps it should be
added to the FAQ.  :-)

Yes, multiple FAQs will be in order.

>Just stirring the s**t a little.

Unlike other contributors, right?
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Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: mly@atalanta.parc.xerox.com (Richard Mlynarik)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Racing Tandem for Sale
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:04:28 GMT
Organization: Xerox PARC, Palo Alto, CA

In article <dkreindl.712163620@well.sf.ca.us> dkreindl@well.sf.ca.us (David Kreindler) writes:

   I have a Santana Team racing tandem bicycle, in perfect condition, for sale.

   [...]

   This bicycle sells new for $4500. I am asking $3000. It is being offered for
   sale because of a romance gone tragic. The bicycle currently resides in
   southern Vermont.

Does this mean you no longer love your bicycle?  Did you leave it for
a pretty young titanium thing?

I'd be leery of this bicycle -- jilted tandems on the rebound can be
unstable and fickle, even suicidal.
From: camlau@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (B.J.)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:29:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul24.180812.197421@cs.cmu.edu>, dreece+@cs.cmu.edu (Douglas Reece) writes...
> 
>An article in the Arizona Republic recently tells of Michael Secrest's hope to
>ride from Los Angeles to Jacksonville, FL in 48 hours.  Apparently he
>rode 1216 miles in 24 hours in April 1990.  This was at Phoenix International 
   ???^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^???

Wait a sec!  According to my trusty calculator, the guy averaged 50.7 mph
non-stop for 24 hours!!!  Must have been Superman's brother.  I have a hard
time *driving* that far in 24 hours.  Something is not right here.
**bj**
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: ens@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:04:47 GMT

In article <n#lmfm+.obrien@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:
>  Back in the mid 1970's, within a month of when I
>bought my first Bell bike helmet, a cyclist in Sacramento died in a
>solo cycling accident at zero speed.  He was apparently doing a
>trackstand waiting for a light to change.  According to what I read,
>his head hit the curb.  There was a quote later from the medical examiners'
>office to the effect that "he was dead before he finished falling"
> 

People have been killed falling in the shower. Should helmets be
mandatory in the shower? I don't necessarily oppose a bike helmet
law, but arguments like the above are not particularly useful.
From: freshair@iastate.edu (James W Gregory)
Subject: What's wrong w/ my Zefal Mini-pump?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 13:07:34 GMT

My Zefal Double-Shot mini-pump isn't working right.  It doesn't fill
up my tires (presta) at all.  (Yes, I made sure that I had the rubber
ring and plastic tube in the head turned around correctly for presta
tubes.)  When I take out the plastic tube but leave the rubber ring
in, it works OK.  

It acts as if the check valve isn't working correctly (i.e., it pumps
back and forth OK but the tire doesn't fill with air; also, the pump
handle sometimes "kicks back" when the handle is pushed all the way in
on the in stroke.)  I couldn't find the check valve, tho, even after I
took the whole pump and pump head apart.  Anyone know where the check
valve on the Double-Shot is at?  Anyone know how to fix it?  Are
replacement parts available?  (The Zefal gaskets in the Nashbar
catalog fit Zefal frame and floor pumps only--NOT minipumps).

I'd like to fix this pump if possible.  I really like it.

-Jim
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From: ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer)
Subject: Who makes 8-speed freewheels?
Organization: A&M Cycling Team, Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:42:16 GMT

I am in the process of purchasing two TriSpoke wheels for use on my
Canondale with Ultegra-600 STI 8-speed.  The TriSpokes don't accept
freehubs, so freewheels are my only option.

What types of 8-speed freewheels are on the market which will work
in this application?
--
Kurt F. Sauer
College Station, Texas
From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Mandatory Helmet law in Ontario in 18 months.
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:01:57 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <9207241250.AA13212@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> LANSCHE@TOROLAB6.VNET.IBM.COM ("Martin Lansche") writes:
>A news item this morning - a private member's bill is being supported by the
>Ontario provincial government.  The bill will require all cyclists in Ontario
>to wear helmets.  It is expected to be law within 18 months.
>
>(Now if only something could be done the legions of sidewalk riders, wrong-way
>riders, and "ignore-all-rules-of-the-road" riders - how can we reach these
>people?)

OK -- but what sort of evidence does the government offer to back the
suggestion that helmet wearing benefits adult riders?
-- 
Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy                  | FAX:     (204) 261-0021
University of Manitoba               | Voice:   (204) 474-9136
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada	                     
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From: apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Subject: Re: Teams Scoring
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:33:20 GMT

les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:
: In response to a question from Paul Schulz, Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando writes:
: >Some few years ago, I listened that the teams scoring comes from the three 
: >first times of the riders of each team in the stage, I'm not sure if it is
: >this way now.
: 
: More precisely, it is the time of the third rider on each team (i.e.
: the time that the leading edge of the front wheel on the third rider's
: bike crosses the line).

I think the question was how are the team standings in the TdF worked out,
and I believe the answer is that given by Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando; the times
of the top three riders for each team are added together.  For the Team Time
Trial, it is the time of the fifth rider over the line which is taken as the
team time.
----
Andrew
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From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Reorganization: voting suggestion
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 00:14:12 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Keywords: stealth.sig

In article <2A732E20.4507@noiro.acs.uci.edu> iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias) writes:
>In article <76kmc8b.obrien@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:
>>If this reorganization fails ( I can only hope ) then it will be only
>>a short time before another proposal will come up.
>
>There is a six month waiting period before a failed vote can be re-proposed
>and voted on.
>

Thank you.  I was not aware of that.  Please note the word *another* in
my quote.  I would vote against the present proposal every six months if
necessary.  

If a *different* proposal is still forced to wait six months,
I consider that preferable to being saddled with a stupid name
	"<whine>because it's *always* been that way"
which would last essentially forever.
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: **1991 TREK 1000 & accessories FORSALE**
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:33:44 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 1700@rice.edu, shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.155148.12161@uwm.edu> bnk@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Bob
>N Keenan) sales on:
>
>>...
>
>>	Team - Z lycra jersey short sleeve
>
>>~ Bob N. Keenan
>
>Bailing out already, heh?
>How many others, I wonder.
>
>How crueler than a serpent's bite an unfaithful fan!
>
>
>-- 
>sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
>Wanna ride?

Maybe inapplicable in this case but well-said, nonetheless...

Michael Wong
msw10@nepenthe.ras.amdahl.com
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From: pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: what floorpump to buy?
Organization: U of Michigan, ITD Research Systems
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:55:46 GMT

In article <1682B701A.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu  
(Michael Edelman) writes:
> Despite the complaints of some about it being old fashioned (read:  
leather
> washer), I think my Silca is great. The only maintainance it ever needs
> is a couple of drops of oil in the cylinder every year, and every single
> part is avauilable for replacement- although the only thing that seems  
to
> wear out is the rubber insert in the valve chuck, and then only after  
about
> 5 years minimum.
>  
> It's the easiest to use, too. Just push it on. No levers, no adapters,  
no
> fussy bits to get lost. Sure, it only fits Presta valves, but there's  
really
> no reason to use Schraders on anything other than a child's bike.
>  
>              --mike

Couldn't agree more.  It's the most servicable thing out there.  The  
Zefals people have been talking about, in my experience, have the highest  
return rate (due to plastic chambers on many models) of any pump I have  
ever known.  Seem to work fine when treated well, but I sure have seen a  
lot of them broken.
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From: craig@cs.toronto.edu (Craig MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Interesting facts about bicycles in Ontario (from MoT)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:28:38 GMT

Nigel.Allen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Nigel Allen) writes:

> ...

Thanks for the information.  I hope that bicyclists get off their
bicycles long enough to read it.  I wonder why the Ministry chose now
to make this policy statement.  They were to have announced their
policy at the International Conference for Auto Free Cities that took
place in Toronto a few weeks ago.  The conference was attended by
urban and transportation planners, as well as bicycle interest groups
across North America.

>Fitness Canada indicates that riding 6 km, 3 times a week can achieve a
>recommended fitness level.

So it could reduce the cost of health insurance to all of us.

>Insurance protection for bicycle riders is available under the no fault
>plan and through householder and cycling association coverage.

No fault insurance is an ill conceived system of compensation rushed
through the legislature by the Peterson government.  They did not
think of pedestrians or bicyclists or students at that time.  The
compensation is inadequate.  Most bicycle/motorvehicle 'ACCIDENTS' are
the fault of the motorist but in bad accidents the bicyclist is not
conscious. The investigating police officer can only listen to the
driver.  If for no other reason than being able to tell your side of
the story, please wear a helmet.

> (end of stuff from the Ministry of Transportation)
> ...

After 20 years of cycling I am mildly optimistic.  If there are funds
for cycling paths available to the municipality of Toronto, I can only
hope that they aren't managed by the political hacks that came up with
the 'Martin-Bad-ass trail'.  This was a waste of taxpayers money.  It
is a meandering, poorly paved, badly maintained path of no practical
and little recreational use, that goes (nowhere) through ragweed and
pollen infested, isolated low security terrain and should be an
embarrassment to locals.  The accent is on mildy optimistic.

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From: croft@csusac.csus.edu (Steve Croft)
Subject: Re: olympics - CATHY WATTS WINS IWRR!!!
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:47:38 GMT

Ilana Stern writes:
>                                   (BTW I *am* a Neilsen data point,
>so turning off the set tells NBC that about 4000 people in Boulder CO
>were disgusted with their coverage!)

Does Neilsen contact you regularly about your viewing?  Otherwise, your
action will probably register that 4000 people in Boulder just aren't
interested in cycling, instead of cycling enthusiasts disgusted with the
coverage.  This is a problem with these type of ratings, because a
Neilsen point is very one-dimensional.. it never shows why certain
viewing happened or didn't...  oh well, back to cycling...

steve
From: varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic Coverage SUCKS!
Date: 29 Jul 1992 13:53:29 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: cypress.cs.utexas.edu

In article <khaw.712427035@parcplace.com> khaw@parcplace.com (Mike Khaw) writes:
>In <9239@alvin.mcnc.org> ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek) writes:

>>For a contrary opinion , we take you to the WSJ of 7-28:

>>        "Spectacular Cycling
>>	...excellent production of Sunday's women's 81km...
>>	smooth as a freshly paved road.
>>	...addition of music heightened the drama. The photography
>>	was spectacular"

>For a diametrically opposed review, see the San Jose Mercury, July 29,
>which heaps opprobium on NBC for being *overly* "up close, and
>personal" to the point of being "maudlin" at the expense of actual
>sports coverage. 

Frankly, I think this applies to *all* of the NBC Olympic coverage.
There is so much going on that they have to try to sell us "pay per
view" so we can see it all.  But their regular "coverage" reminds me
of what's done for a 15-0 baseball game -- trivia, anecdotes, "top
ten" lists, anything but covering the game that's going on.

I am not fond of the machine noises that frequently pass for music
these days, and "music videos" were developed as advertising in the 
first place.  Do they really need to waste my time with stuff that 
is artistically indistinguishable from the commercials?

I don't really need to know about Inga Thompson's boyfriend, and I
*certainly* don't need to hear about him ten times.  Pablo Morales'
mother had nothing in particular to do with his swimming.  I don't
know what I'm supposed to learn from seeing a gymnast walk around
the streets of Odessa with her parents.  I would happily have watched
archery rather than vollyball players getting haircuts.

Maybe I should ride my bike more.

-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)
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