From: twiggs_te@lrc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: [anonymous] MDMA - X
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:05:29 GMT
Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC


 ap.5318@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
> 
> 
> I would like to get a better understanding of the side effects of
> MDMA. Please, lets avoid rehashing the neuro-toxic debate, and discuss
> it's other side-effects.
> 
> A FOAF has taken MDMA only once and describes his experience as
> follows :
> 
> Took  one capsule (purchased at a rave - supposed to have been the
> largest rave on the east coast), 2 to 3 hours after a large dinner. 
> Dont't know the dosage in the capsule - 1capsule == 1 dose.
> Hardly felt any effects, except slight empathy/relaxation for about 
> 1 hr or so. Did not drink much liquids during that time, absolutely no
> alcohol. 
> 

	You (oops... your FOAF) got ripped off.  If it was good X, BELIEVE ME
--he would DEFINITELY know he was rolling.  And it would last a hell of a lot
longer than one hour.



> Side effects experienced included, thirst/dry mouth, frequent
> urination (very frequent accompanied w/ a "funny" sensation  ), and
> shrinking of the penis.   Also the next day tiredness was evident, was
> also a symptom of other FOAF who did not take any MDMA, most probably
> Contributed by inadequate sleep. Didn't get any of the often mentioned
> teeth ginding, back pain effects.
> 

	Thirst/dry mouth is common, though I have NEVER experienced
frequent urination (or, for that matter, a "funny sensation").  As a
matter of fact, my experience with X leads me to say that urination is 
LESS frequent.  As for the shrinking penis, sometimes it has, and other
times it hasn't.  Also, I grind my teeth so bad my jaw hurts the next day.


> To check on the side-effects, I checked the book : "Ecstasy, the MDMA
> story", by Eisner.
> Eisner makes a stresses of taking MDMA on an empty stomach, 6-8
> hrs. after a meal. It is not absorbed well otherwise. This probably
> explains why the expected effects did not "kick in". 
> 

	This is not why the effects did not kick in.  Eisner means that
for BEST RESULTS you should take it on an empty stomach.  I have done it
several times following a recent meal, and there is absolutely no doubt
in my mind that the stuff was kickin' my butt!


> Eisner also mentions in passing of the dehydrating effects of MDMA, so
> ample liquids should be available. He does not though say anything 
> to explain this. How is this dehydration different from alcohol ? How
> long does it last ? Is it associated with the frequent urination ?

	Ya got me there.  But I seriously doubt that it's associated with
the frequent urination.

> 
> Speaking of frequent urinaton, is MDMA "bad" for the kidneys ? 
> Does it put a heavy stress on them ?

	I doubt it.  But I'm certainly no scientist.

> 
> And last, but not least, I have never read or heard of shrinking of
> the penis associated with MDMA. I believe this is a vasoconstrictor
> effect. Is MDMA a vasoconstrictor ? I am not sure. 
> If not, was my FOAF given a capsule of MDMA mixed with something
> else ? 

	Yeah, I think your "FOAF" (!!!!) was ripped off big time...which
is quite common, so "he" (!!!!) shouldn't feel bad.

> 
> The Ecstasy FAQ, in the second to last paragraph, quotes someone
> saying that MDMA "drains water from your spine or something like that" (!).
> This seems to be more of an urban legend, any response from those who
> know ?

	Yeah -- that's a myth.  The "back pain" you always hear about is
usually associated with dancing all night, which is what "ravers" very
commonly do.  I have done mucho X, but not once did my back ever hurt --
even after dancing all night. (I have eaten up to five pills in one night)

> 
> The same paragraph in the FAQ also warns against eating/drinking
> alcoholic beverages, dairy products and chocolate with MDMA. Seems
> that the person is suggesting that MDMA is a MAOI. This seems to be in
> agreement with some my references ("Alcohol and other drugs:
> self-responsibility", R. Engs. Not particularly recommended, just
> happens to be in front of me at the moment). 
> 
> 
> AA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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	Tell your FOAF that he needs to find a new connection.  There are a
lot of assholes out there who will rip you off (i.e.,  25% MDMA, 75% speed).
Buy off of someone you TRUST.

	By the way, all the stuff I wrote here is just what a FOAF told me.
I've never even seen the stuff.  Uh-uh.  No way.  I don't be messin' 'round
wit no drugs.

	Just Say No!


					Better luck next time,

							D.J. X
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