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From: britzel@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (ritzel brian jay)
Subject: Re: FEATURE: "Energy Without Oil" Executive Summary
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:07:19 GMT
Keywords: energy environment oil press

rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:

>It doesn't matter whether carbon dioxide is emitted by the burning of oil
>vs the burning of 'biofuels'.  I suppose it is more PC to burn something
>called a 'biofuel' instead of gasoline (when in reality the waste products
>are similar).


Try thinking of the carbon incorporated in biomass as a "flow" and
the carbon in petrofuels as a "stock" when contemplating the global
carbon cycle...


Switching to biofuels may not lead to a decrease in atmospheric carbon,
but I believe the operative word in the original post was "stabilization",
not "decrease."

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Department of Civil Engineering
University of Illinois
From: kck+@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kluge)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Grand Jury resister needs support
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:06:44 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

> From: aforum@moose.uvm.edu (autonome forum)
> Subject: Grand Jury resister needs support!
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:23:03 GMT
> 
> To increase the pressure on nation-wide grand jury interrorgations of
> alleged members of the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), an international
> campaign has been proposed to show disgust and anger at the United States'
> form of criminalizing progressive movements (ie, students' movements, the
> civil rights movement, anti-war movements, native struggles, etc.).

Yeah, jeez, where the hell does the government get off criminalizing
arson, theft, and vandalism. Next thing you know, they'll want to make
murder illegal.

So who do I call to express my support for the Grand Jury and letting
ALF assholes rot in jail if they refuse to appear?
From: Mason.L.Allen@dartmouth.edu (Mason L. Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Rush Myth #930
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:06:38 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

.Rush Myth #930: His Audience is Individualistic, Attractive and
Diverse

.        As I watched Limbaugh's television audience blow two "applause
'n' 
.smile" cues I got a good laugh at the demographics as the camera
panned .across the audience, who were trying to sneak looks at the
monitors to see .if they could see themselves (in the fashion of drunk
football fans at large .arenas and religious fundamentalists at large
churches).

first off, Rush Limbaugh's audience is more intelligent, insightful,
and generally awake than almost any other talk show.  Consider the
people on Geraldo?  Or Arsenio? Or Joan Rivers?

also, as to you're little Quote at the end of your post:
I agree that Dan Quayle was a simpleton in office, but why is the media
& public so quick to attack the Republican ex-VP and not the Democratic
VP?  During an Inaugrual tour of Washington, Al Gore asked a tour guide
on 4 diff. occassions who various paintings & busts represented.  Each
time, the answer was the same - George Washington.  Don't you think if
Quale had failed to recognize our Founding Father, the press would have
jumped on it?

m.
"So, who's the guy in the sissy-wig?"  Al Gore
From: amb@cs.columbia.edu (andrew m. boardman)
Subject: Re: Gumball machine - new thread - help
Organization: Slug Hordes of the Planet Gamma
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:53:59 GMT

In article <mis.727602996@sug.org> mis@sug.org (Mark Seiden) writes:
>most of these are chicago double sided wafer locks.  not difficult
>to pick, but on a threaded shaft that requires repeated picking once
>per turn.  i have heard that (but not seen) a coil spring used 
>once the lock is picked to rapidly spin the core through several
>revolutions. 

Personally, I prefer a good power drill, with a piece of thick wire-tie
used as a bit -- it's rigid enough to spin the lock, but if at some point
you lose and the lock catches, it still has more than enough flexibility
to twist out of lock rather than wreck it...

andrew
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing,ba.news
From: houle@nmt.edu (Paul Houle)
Subject: Re: Man opens parking meters
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 23:44:35 GMT

In article <llqrh9INNek9@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>	Here in our area, actually up in San Francisco, thieves have
>apparently figured out an easy way to knock the top off of meters and
>drain them of their cash.  Of course it really helped that a local
>TV station broadcast the method in detail -- the number of meter
>break-ins skyrocketed.  There are alot of headless meters sprinkled
>thoughout the city right now.  Theoretically, it is illegal to park
>at a broken meter, though I don't think they are enforcing this.

	Although this isn't anywhere near as larcenous,  a friend and I
once discovered that one could hit a certain kind of parking meter with
a piece of rebar on a certain spot,  and the vibrations would make the
little label that points towards the parking space fall off.  The amusing
thing was that this happened 100% of the time,  so that a person could
go down the street and casually whack every meter once and only once and
somebody could tail behind him,  collecting the metal labels.
--
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: "Deficient" key
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:40:11 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

kraai4712@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
: 
: The existing key doesn't have any "extra" metal, it is just deficient in the
: indiciated position.  Can I use a properly shaped chunk of wood or other
: material and push it in with the key, is there a better way?

Looks like you are trying to make a master key out of your change key. There
is no easy method - other than cutting a new key using a fresh blank.  I have
tried other methods, and none of them is reliable.

Why do you need to get into a place where you are not authorized to be,
anyway?

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: zerucha@shell.portal.com (Thomas E Zerucha)
Subject: Re: Gumball machine - new thread - help
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:58:13 GMT

In article <mis.727602996@sug.org> mis@sug.org (Mark Seiden) writes:
>cs737@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John B. Baron) writes:
>
>most of these are chicago double sided wafer locks.  not difficult
>to pick, but on a threaded shaft that requires repeated picking once
>per turn.  i have heard that (but not seen) a coil spring used 
>once the lock is picked to rapidly spin the core through several
>revolutions. 
>-- 
>mark seiden, mis@seiden.com, 1-(415) 665 8117 (voice)

I haven't tried this myself (since I don't have such a lock), but could
you use a can of freeze spray (for electronic component testing) and
some water to lock the wafers in place once picked?

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(313)594-4941 - work phone
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From: mgreeny@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (David S. Greenberg)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: pick guns and people who cut up books
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:22:35 -0600
Organization: Greeny's Bar & Grill
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

pbray@sloth.Reed.Edu (<<hurdy gurdy>>) writes:


>	Is it so that a pick gun essentially is a device that holds some  
>kind of pick (rake?); said pick is inserted into lock keyway and said  

Nope.... just a straight piece of metal... long enuf to "cover" all of
the pins in the lock... (yes, this is only really good for pin tumblers)

>device is activated thus causing said pick to vibrate; the vibration  
>caused the pins to be raised to the shear line?

yep, you got it...
>	Isn't it possible for the gun to vibrate the pins above the shear  
>line?; what precautions have been taken to eliminate this problem?   

Yes, none... who really cares? Just release the tension, and try again!
Sooner or later you'll get it open -- sometimes sooner, sometimes a bit
later.  If all else fails, get out the drill! Actually, the whole
principle is random, but it works!

>Further, is it actually a pick, or is it, instead, a straight piece of  
>metal? 

Straight piece of metal...

>	 I am considering building a pick gun (or an automatic raker) of  
>the following nature: an electric toothbrush is disassembled to reveal,  
>when activated, a piece of metal that extends itself to 1.5 inches and  
>then contracts itself to .5 inches rapidly.  Rake, or pick, is attached to  
>said extending metal and subsequently inserted into lock keyway.  Even  
>though this is a rake, couldn't it still "bounce" the pins to the shear  
>line?

Not needed, just make the whole thing rattle up and down (the adjustment
should be for the "up/down" motion, not the in/out motion...)

>	Oh, on another note, I went to Powell's bookstore (a big big  
>bookstore that has books listed under such diverse topics as tattoo to  
>rodents) and they did not have a locksmithing section.  After routing  
>around for 2 hours I found some locksmithing books under "Security".  They  
>didn't have much.  I looked at the latest edition of Locks and  
>Locksmithing (I have an earlier version); I flipped to the section on  
>lockpicking and found that someone had neatly removed the entire section  
>with, what looked like, an exacto knife!
>				Peter
>--
>At the base of all these aristocratic races the predator is not
>to be mistaken, the splendorous blond beast, avidly rampant for
>plunder and victory.
>-- Senor Nietzsche
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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: mis@sug.org (Mark Seiden)
Subject: Re: shimming padlocks
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:10:46 GMT

lester@cs.nps.navy.mil (Michael Lester) writes:


>Also, does anyone know anything about using shims on the shackle of a normal padlock?

what's a "normal" padlock?

only really cheap padlocks with weakly spring-loaded bolts could possibly
be shimmed open.  i don't know of shim stock that's thin enough to fit
down between the shackle and bolt and strong enough to push back the bolt.

imho, decent locks (including padlocks) use deadbolts that can't be
pushed back.

-- 
mark seiden, mis@seiden.com, 1-(415) 665 8117 (voice)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing,ba.news
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Man opens parking meters
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:38:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.181759.17584@netcom.com> fred_s@netcom.com (Frederick Scott) writes:
>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes: 
>
[ deleted text....]
>Hmmm.  They announced last night on the news (KCBS AM740) that the city had
>lost appoximately $2000 stolen from the machines in the recent rash.  Your
>"hundreds of thousands of dollars" seems somewhat excessive in light of that.
>Although clearly there's more money involved than just what's lost from
>the machines.  And I don't count upgrading the meters as part of what's been
>lost.  Whatever - I don't think it justifies enforcing meaningless and little-
>known statutes just to make up the revenues.  If not curbing your wheels in
>a given situation is truly dangerous, they should be enforcing all the time,
>otherwise, not at all.
>
>Fred
>
The loss you state could be correct, however the monies I was referring
to, or more appropriately, what I "thought" I heard on the local news,
were in relationship to the "loss of revenues" from the broken meters.
These "loss of revenues" is derived NOT so much from the nickels and 
quarters from the meters, but from the fines imposed on expired meters.
I don't know what the parking fines are in San Francisco, but I am
certain the city collects thousands per month in fines alone.
Monies are also generated for the towing and impounding of the vehicles.
It is apparently BIG business. The additional expense of replacing
the meters is also high, which is also added to the "loss of revenues".

******* John P. Gloria ****** jpglori@sysengr.PacBell.COM *******
-- 
"No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. 
Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities."
		   - Christian Nestell Bovee -
From: kraai4712@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: "Deficient" key
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:09:50 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I have a key that looks something like this:
               _                          ___|
    __   _    / \    _                   /
   /  \_/ \_/     \_/ \   __   __      /
 /                     \_/  \_/   \__/
|
 \__________________________________________
                                            \

and I'd like to use it in a lock that needs it to "look" like this:
               _                          ___|
    __   _    / \    _      ____         /
   /  \_/ \_/     \_/ \    /    \      /
 /                     \_/        \__/
|
 \__________________________________________
                                            \
                         \______/            |
                             ^               |
                  Only difference is here.

The existing key doesn't have any "extra" metal, it is just deficient in the
indiciated position.  Can I use a properly shaped chunk of wood or other
material and push it in with the key, is there a better way?

Thanks all.
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: HELP WITH MY LOCKER PLEASE!
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:21:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

ec49726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Manny DeSoto) writes:
: 
: A couple of years ago, a friend of mine told me a way of opening a master lock
: (combo or key, Im unsure) with a hammer and some pantyhose. From what I
: understand, you tie the U end of the lock to the pantyhose and let it dangle
: and tie the other end to something solid. When you strike the lock with the
: hammer, the elasticity of the pantyhose is supposed to have the right frequency
: (something like a spring constant, I guess) to open the lock. 

The technique is called "rapping", and can be used on some models of
combination locks. The usual instructions say to use a piece of leather.
The pantyhose will not gain you anything - but probably will not hurt
either.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: HELP WITH MY LOCKER PLEASE!
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:28:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.012133.22590@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>ec49726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Manny DeSoto) writes:
>: 
>: A couple of years ago, a friend of mine told me a way of opening a master lock
>: (combo or key, Im unsure) with a hammer and some pantyhose. From what I
>: understand, you tie the U end of the lock to the pantyhose and let it dangle
>: and tie the other end to something solid. When you strike the lock with the
>: hammer, the elasticity of the pantyhose is supposed to have the right frequency
>: (something like a spring constant, I guess) to open the lock. 
>
>The technique is called "rapping", and can be used on some models of
>combination locks. The usual instructions say to use a piece of leather.
>The pantyhose will not gain you anything - but probably will not hurt
>either.

Unless it springs back and hits you in the face....  ;-)


andrew
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0000000701B61D1ADF0DFC9C16185CEA055200000007EB4A9FEB1922065D471A89E905B5
From: D.Morgan@bradford.ac.uk (D MORGAN)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: British literature; Help!
Summary: Where can I get lockpicking info over here?
Keywords: help lock pick books info
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:09:04 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92191459@muser

It seems to me, that despite all the disadvantages you poor Americans have 
to undergo, what with presidents and all that, you still have one major 
asset; your freedom of information act. (we get a Major asset; this is not
the same; indeed, he is not an asset).

Gits.

Is there anywhere in Britain that these books can be bought, or are there
fsp or ftp sites that the information can be downloaded from?
The only thing I have been able to find is the anarchists handbook, but 
that is hardly any good; apart from the fact that most of it is devoted to 
blowing things up, what little there is on lockpicking I already knew from
reading this group or it was just vandalism. This is not what I want.

Alternatively, is there aanything published in Britain that you would advise
for someone who wants to learn? It seems to be an inordinately useful skill 
to me.

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|slim chance |That's no question /side of this piece of writing there for? |
|Whatever.   |   -Shakespear(NOT)\Well, to be quite frank, I have no idea. |
From: SCPMB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Picks, Catalogs, and the Like
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:40:54 GMT
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
NNTP-Posting-Host: vm.cc.latech.edu

I was wondering if anyone out there could send me or post for me the
addresses and/or telephone numbers of some locksmithing supply houses.
I (or actually a friend w/o access to the net) am looking for some
relatively inexpensive picks (of fairly decent quality... it would be
nice if they actually DID work and didn't JUST look good...:)  ) in
order to practice locksmithing. He is already looking into becoming
an apprentice with a locksmith where he lives. You can either post
this information or email me at the address below. Thanks in advance.
 
Phillip
 
+====================================================================+
+ Phillip M. Beavers                                                 +
+ P.O. Box 4353 T.S.                                                 +
+ Ruston, LA  71272                    A computer is only as smart   +
+ 318-257-3705                         as its programmer; the        +
+                                      programmer only as smart as   +
+ Internet: SCPMB@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU     his computer.                 +
+ Bitnet:   SCPMB@LATECH                                             +
+====================================================================+
From: keith@hydra.unm.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Home Study courses
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:54:31 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.unm.edu

In article <1993Jan14.213028.14714@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jbbell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rev. J. B. Bell, Ms.D.=) writes:
>I'm a graduate (recently in fact) of the Foley-Belsaw school.  It cost
>about $640(US) I think.  I would say they've done all right by me,
>though claims of being given "all the requried tools" are rather
>exaggerated.  The fact that I laid out so much cash did motivate me.
>If you're more of a self-starter, it would be cheaper to just buy a
>few decent books.  I have yet to find anything in my coursework that
>isn't published elsewhere or simple to figure out on one's own.
>
[their key machine is good for the price, and how do I get started...]
>                                --Rev. J. B. Bell, Ms.D.

One last item you will be interested to know :^( 
The course tuition is like the price of the copper pot at the flea market-
negotiable.  If you don't respond to their first few mailings, they
run a "limited time special offer" that knocks about $70US off the price.
A month or so later, another $70 comes off, and so on.  Someone willing
to wait about 6 months or so to take the course can save $200+.  The
way you know you've hit bottom is th price stays the same for a few
mailings, and threatens to go UP.  I took the course several years ago,
and my cash price (that IS what we're talking about, the "payment" price
is roughly double) was around $360.

BUT- it *is a darn good little key machine, and the course is a good
*start.  Now you can buy picks at locksmith prices rather than
survival magazine prices :^O  good luck and enjoy! 
keith  -keith@hydra.unm.edu  -stamp out long sigs!




Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: ec49726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Manny DeSoto)
Subject: Re: HELP WITH MY LOCKER PLEASE!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:47:15 GMT

(MJ) writes:

>In article <19JAN199319241274@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
>bwood@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (William Wood) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Please help me if you can.  I have been using a Master lock on my 
>> gym locker.  Recently, my key was lost and I need to know the best
>> way to extract my old lock from my locker.  Specifics please!  I
>> know nothing about saws (telling one type from another).  Thanks
>> in advance.  BWWOD@NSSDCA.GSFC.NASA.GOV
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Bill

>When I was in high school we all used Master Combo locks.  For some reason
>or another I couldn't open my lock (I might have grabbed my sister's
>instead of mine) and had to tell the gym teacher as I was in my gym
>clothes.  He took a 16 oz. claw hammer out of his desk and with one good
>shot "opened" my lock.  He struck a downward blow to the hook side.

>MJ

>[As if you didn't already know, my opinions are my own and not my
>company's.]

A couple of years ago, a friend of mine told me a way of opening a master lock
(combo or key, Im unsure) with a hammer and some pantyhose. From what I
understand, you tie the U end of the lock to the pantyhose and let it dangle
and tie the other end to something solid. When you strike the lock with the
hammer, the elasticity of the pantyhose is supposed to have the right frequency
(something like a spring constant, I guess) to open the lock. 

Anyone know if this is true?

Manny

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University Of Illinois @ Urbana - Champaign  |      
Illini Emergency Medical Services            |    ec49726@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: lester@cs.nps.navy.mil (Michael Lester)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Picks
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:44:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey

I have a set of picks with "Qwik Pix" written on the side.  I ordered them from a catalog years ago, but 
can`t find the catalog anymore.  Does anyone know who makes them and/or where I can order more?

Also, does anyone know anything about using shims on the shackle of a normal padlock?

Thanks for the help.

E-mail a response if you desire.

LESTER@ECE.NPS.NAVY.MIL