HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Adjective needed for the following scene.
Date: 7 Oct 1992 10:49:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, prener@watson.ibm.com (Dan Prener) says:

>In article <1992Oct06.205057.128466@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:
>
>>Describe the following scene with a one word adjective:
>>==========
>>You are riding your bicycle along a country dirt road and up ahead you
>>see the massive concrete pillars  and steel girders of a interstate highway
>>bridge. At that moment, enormous tractor-trailers are passing overhead.  
>>The stench and the roar of the highway is overwhelming.
>
>>Then, suddenly, out of the corner of your eye, you notice cattle peacefully
>>grazing in a meadow not too far from the road.
>>===========
>
>>You want a word that describes the rider's bewilderment at the striking
>>contrast of the peaceful nature scene juxtaposed with the tumult of the
>>industrial age.
>
>>Some of the words that I am considering are: anachronous, paradoxical,
>>contradictory.
>
>>Can someone come up with a better word to describe the situation?
>
>"jarring"?
>
>One of the definitions of "jar" as an intransitive verb has something to do
>with being out of harmony.
>
>I think that "anachronous" would be a bit misleading, since the bucolic
>portion of the scene isn't really of a different time from the industrial
>part, even though it might be considered more typical of a different time.
>--
>                                   Dan Prener (prener@watson.ibm.com)
>

"Jarring" is good.  Also, on the same lines, "discordant".  Or possibly
"incongruous", or even, depending on your tone, "unseemly".  ("The cattle
munched with unseemly peace..." Actually, you could use "anachronous"
there, too.)

Bonita Kale
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Cats'n'Dogs
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:31:50 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart) writes:

>Anti-peeve: They now publish entire dictionaries of PC-speak.  Some of
>them are hilarious.  Some of them are intended to be funny.  These
>sets do not coincide.

So tell us about them already!
-- 

Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
From: kgs@panix.com (Karen Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: In half an hour from now
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:07:09 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <01GPR2LNGHIS8WZ6RR@kiera.ericsson.se> LMEBGO@kiera.ericsson.se ("Bengt G{llmo, L M Ericsson, Stockholm, Sweden") writes:

>Airline pilots keep saying things like "We will be landing in
>30 minutes from now".  Is this correct?  To me, it is an 
>incorrect combination of two correct expressions, namely 
>"... landing in 30 minutes." and "... landing 30 minutes 
>from now".  Opinions?

>Bengt
>

No, it is NOT correct. For that matter, "landing 30 minutes from
now" is not correct.

  "30 minutes  
from now" is in the same league with "3 p.m. in the afternoon."  (I
know someone who claims that "tunafish" belongs in this group--
"what other kinds of tuna are there?")

God willing, you will be "landing in 30 minutes," and that's enough.


-- 
>Forwarded-By:
>Bengt Gallmo                        e-mail: lmebgo@kiera.ericsson.se
>Telefonaktiebolaget L M Ericsson    phone:  +46 8 719 1940
>S-126 25 STOCKHOLM                  fax:    +46 8 719 3988
>SWEDEN

>The bad thing about good things is that they usually come to an end.
>The good thing about bad things is that they, also, usually come to an end.
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
K.G.Schneider  kgs@panix.com

"Prudence keeps life safe, but does not often make it happy"
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: jbradfor@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jeffrey Bradford)
Subject: Re: Cats'n'Dogs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 07:58:52 GMT

In article <92851@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
>In article <ldme0aINNlhn@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
>
>>This is as good a time as any to intrroduce you to Geoff's Guide To
>>Euphemisms -- a modern primer to assist one`s navigation through the
>>mysterious and hazardous shoals of modern mealy-mouthed obfuscation:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>>                physically handicapped,         crippled
>>                emotionally handicapped         crazy
>>                mentally handicapped,           mentally retarded
>>                vitally handicapped             dead
>
>You're behind the times, Geoff -- people no longer use the term
>"handicapped."  They say "differently abled."  
>
The term I always prefer instead of handicapped is "chronicly euphemized."

Jeff
From: mikulska@minos.Princeton.EDU (Margaret Mikulska)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: Question on apostrophes...
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:34:34 GMT
Reply-To: mikulska@astro.princeton.edu (Margaret Mikulska)
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <Bw60GE.51@pcuf.fi> luikero@pcuf.fi (Lauri Kero) writes:
>*>Here are some "do"s and "don't"s.
> 
> That seems good for that context, but what do I do when I talk about
>compact disks, for instance? Do I write CD's or CDs?

CDs, PCs, and so on, but x's and y's.  Writing "xs and ys" could lead to
misunderstanding or confusion; the apostrophe(s) make(s) it clearer
that plural of "x" and "y" is intended.  In the case of CDs and PCs,
there is no danger of confusion, and no need for apostrophes.

This, of course, is only one of many conventions regarding the use of
apostrophes for plural.

-Margaret
mikulska@astro.princeton.edu
From: LMEBGO@kiera.ericsson.se ("Bengt G{llmo, L M Ericsson, Stockholm, Sweden")
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: In half an hour from now
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:43:00 GMT

Airline pilots keep saying things like "We will be landing in
30 minutes from now".  Is this correct?  To me, it is an 
incorrect combination of two correct expressions, namely 
"... landing in 30 minutes." and "... landing 30 minutes 
from now".  Opinions?

Bengt
-- 
Forwarded-By:
Bengt Gallmo                        e-mail: lmebgo@kiera.ericsson.se
Telefonaktiebolaget L M Ericsson    phone:  +46 8 719 1940
S-126 25 STOCKHOLM                  fax:    +46 8 719 3988
SWEDEN

The bad thing about good things is that they usually come to an end.
The good thing about bad things is that they, also, usually come to an end.
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: arantamaki@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: re: a good dictionary
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:49:40 GMT

In article <mcnair.30.718754080@slab.unt.edu>, mcnair@slab.unt.edu (SEAN MCNAIR) writes:

[text deleted]

>       I would also suggest a nice thesaurus as a companion to your 
> dictionaries. Don't cheat yourself and buy a Roget's, this is really a 
> mistake. Not only is it useless, but it is completely misleading. Buy a 
> decent thesaurus, such as a Webster's or a Random House. The Webster's is a 
> little better than the Random House, but my father uses the Random House, 
> and he's a published Poet.
> 
> 
>                               Sean Jeffers Mc Nair

I would be very interested to hear your (anyone's, actually) opinion 
on the Collins English Dictionary and the Collins Cobuild Dictionary, 
if you are familiar with them. I work as a translator and have found 
these dictionarys quite useful for my purposes so far. Also, why do 
you say that Roget's is misleading? What makes the Random House 
Thesaurus so good?

Annu Rantamaki

Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: ccjal@cc.newcastle.edu.au (John A Lambert)
Subject: Re: Question on apostrophes...
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:35:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.211653.8702@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, mmmirash@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar M. Mirashi) writes:
> The current discussion on apostrophes had me wondering as to which of the foll.
> forms are correct :
> 1. "Here are some dos and donts"
> 2. "Here are some do's and dont's"
> 3. "Here are some do's and don't's"
> Lauren mentioned that rule 4 (an apostrophe should be placed when words are
> mentioned as words in the plural e.g. "There are so many if's") has fallen
> out of favour with some people. How would people who still prefer this form
> write the above sentence? 
>     Incidentally a recent issue of TIME magazine used form 1 (evidently its
> editors do not favour placing an apostrophe)   
>                                               Thanks....
>                                                                 Mandar.
> 
I think I would go for 
4. "Here are some dos and don'ts"
-- 
John A Lambert
Centre for Literary and Linguistic Computing
The University of Newcastle NSW 2308 Australia
From: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: a good dictionary
Date: 10 Oct 92 08:58:00 GMT
Reply-To: michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty)
Organization: Nitelog BBS - Monterey, CA - 408-655-1096

On 10-10-92, BILL CORNETTE wrote to ALL:

From: wmc@photon.com (Bill Cornette)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:46:28 GMT

Delbert Yeh (yeh@qucis.queensu.ca) wrote:
: Can anyone recommend a good english dictionary to buy? Thanks,

Bill Cornette (wmc@photon.com) wrote:
BC> Depends on what you want and how much you want to spend.  I
BC> use both the Oxford English (1st Ed. + Suppl, I can't afford the
BC> 2nd edition yet) [...].

I just read an article describing the new release of the complete OED
on CD-ROM.  A little pricey ($895), but it has EVERYTHING and a hyper
text tool to find it...

Regards, Mikey (michael.hagerty@nitelog.com)
 * JABBER v1.3B1 #B042 * I cut it three times and it's still short!
                                                                                        
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: more like?
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:00:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.851.6646@channel1> "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com> writes:
>On 10-07-92 ROGER LUSTIG wrote:

>RL>>  "We believe it would be more like trying to fly a RLjumbo
>RLjet by letting everybody on board operate the >> controls at
>RLthe same time

I didn't write the  above paragraph.

>RLAs it is used? Ralph left off the context.  Clearly there
>RLwas another (probably official) analogy preceding it.  "More
>RLlike" means the writer feels that this analogy is closer.

But I did write this one.

>RL>Anyone who wants to write and tell me to stop applying
>RLlogic to the English >language:  please don't bother.  I've
>RLheard it before, and I'm still not >convinced.

Not this one, though.  In fact, I responded to it...

>Maybe it's reasonable to continue to try to apply logic to the
>English language, but to try to apply it to *George Bush's*
>language is a different matter. And if there's a correlation
>between semantic/syntactic illogic and illogic of thought, we'd
>better elect Clinton next month, IMHO!

I'm with you on voting, but not really on the "Talk good/think good"
issue.  My father heard John Bardeen talk several times, and said it
was quite incomprehensible...

Roger
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: a good dictionary
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:32:38 GMT

idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:

>*is* there an American dictionary of equivalent quality to the OED,
>or even the SOD?  If so, I'll buy it when I visit...

You might look for the Century Dictionary, in 10 volumes, or the 
New Century, a three-volume abridgement.  The date in my NC is 1927;
my Century is in storage, but I think it's quite a bit older--it has a 
wonderful atlas with lovely maps from before the War, as I recall.  Both long
out of print, but the NC is commonly available at secondhand bookdealers.

If you want a more modern dictionary, try the 
Random House Unabridged, the Second Edition.
-- 

Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
From: meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Meach)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: bicycle scenery adjective
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:50:21 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <718607662snx@warren.demon.co.uk> leveret@warren.demon.co.uk (Nick Leverton) writes:

>I have to admit, Jo, I've never heard dissonant used for an image; that
>said, the negative implications of both words seem to be justifiable
>considering the (presumably) negative feelings which the noisy, smelly
>traffic would induce, and being borrowed from a different metaphor they
>do make one stop and think about the contrast. Two otherwise pleasant
>sounds can form a discord or dissonance if they're not in harmony.

In article <92250@netnews.upenn.edu> bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
writes:

>Diissonant seems right: there is a phrase, 'cognitive diissonance, which
>describes the conttrast betweenwhat a person has been led to expect as
>his/her social status, and the actual status.  (E.g., a woman PhD who
>earns only a small fraction of the salary her male counterpart does,
>and who moreover is not given the respect she feels  sheis due her.)

Thank you, Bayla. . . my Psych training would have brought out that example
if you had not already done so!  I have also seen it used in art criticism
and literary criticism.

Back to Mr. Leverton:

>Alternatively "jarring" is a short simple adjective; might that serve
>the writer's purpose ? Or how about "disconcerting" - I think that's
>probably one of the best I can think of quickly!

I *do* like 'disconcerting' in the context, as I see it.  I am beginning to 
think that it is time to defer back to the original poster. . . is the wish to
describe the [negative] shock of suddenly coming upon the fast, noisy, all
too modern highway scene in the midst of pastoral beauty, or to simply
describe the observed contrast of the two scenes viewed simultaneously?
My point of view is angled toward the latter interpretation, which is why I
was critical of words that seemed to have a heavily negative feel for me.
['Jarring' hits me the same way, Nick!]

Jo Meachem
--
meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu
From: vadim@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.text.dwb
Subject: test
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:19:14 EDT

Test Test Test
From: news@crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: alt.text.dwb
Subject: Welcome to alt.text.dwb
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:03:00 GMT


                      Documenter's Workbench Group


  This group is for discussion of all of the parts of DWB, including
the {n,t}roff processors, macros, post processors, utilities like tbl
and eqn, etc.
Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
Subject: <None>
From: jahowald@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:14:01 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

	Anybody ever read Tom Clancy? He discusses some interesting methods in, I
believe, Red Storm Rising.  Try discussing sensory deprivation for a while. 
The idea is this:  You have no input, no sight, no sound, nothing.  You are
completely and incomprehensibly alone.  For a long time.  The first thing you
hear is a voice, telling you to do something.  The immense happiness of hearing
something, anything, is such a rush, in your gratitude, you comply.  Very
interesting.  By the way, I think you're all sickos.
					J.A.H.

Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
From: gilligan@camelot.bradley.edu (Edward Henigin)
Subject: brainwashing
Organization: Your Mother's Knee
Distribution: na
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:43:22 GMT

I've heard a simple way to brainwash someone is to keep them awake
for a couple of days, like, say, five days, and their minds turn to
putty, basically.  They are then highly susceptible to suggestions.

Anybody know any more about this?  What accelerates this susceptibility
to suggestions? 

ed
--
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| I am a hypocrite.                                                          |
| ed -- gilligan@camelot.bradley.edu                                         |
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Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
From: yen@prpa.philips.com (Yen C. Lee)
Subject: Re: brainwashing
Organization: Philips Research Palo Alto
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:08:42 GMT

gilligan@camelot.bradley.edu (Edward Henigin) writes:

>I've heard a simple way to brainwash someone is to keep them awake
>for a couple of days, like, say, five days, and their minds turn to
>putty, basically.  They are then highly susceptible to suggestions.

>Anybody know any more about this?  What accelerates this susceptibility
>to suggestions? 

maybe because, by that time, they'd be willing to do anything
just to catch a few zzz's ?

wouldn't it be more effective to keep them awake AND starve them?
how would you prevent them from falling asleep?  some sort of
mechanical stimulation?  like a machine pinching them every 20
seconds or so?

<standard disclaimers apply>
Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
From: rimbaud@atlantis.uucp (Tim Hill)
Subject: Mind control/hypnogogia
Organization: Atlantis Communications, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:41:56 GMT

	I recently read a book entitled "The Art of Propaganda" which stated that the real big and scary "mind control" tactics are not as effective as previously thought - little evidence exists that subliminal advertising (in the form of brief messages being encoded in film and television) actually has any measurable effect, and the value of hypnogogia (sleep teaching) is even more dubious.
	More useful to the propagandist is the fact that group consensus can frequently override individual perception.  A psychologist arranged for a group of people to perform simple mathematical operations - all but one were told to reach the same, incorrect conclusion.  The lone individual who was not aware of the nature of the experiment at first stuck by his (correct) conclusion, but after a short while became convinced that he was in the wrong - anyone who has read "1984" can easily see the implications of





 this...
From: alizard@wizclan.Kludge.COM (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol
Subject: when I requested this newsgroup
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 04:07:24 PDT
Organization: Wizard's Clan, Moraga CA

I was hoping to see serious discussion of subliminal embedding,
conditioning, "brainwashing", advertising techniques, mind
manipulation. So far, of the first 8 messages that showed up
here off the feed, all have been Re: mindless flame 

Does anyone discuss mind control on this newsgroup? If not, is there
a newsgroup for serious discussion of this?

And anyone around here know anything about psychotronics?

A.Lizard
Mail to me should be sent to:
           alizard@tweekco.uucp
           boo!tweekco!alizard@PacBell.COM
           [path]!uunet!pacbell!boo!tweekco!alizard
Unless you REALLY are in no hurry for a reply, do not respond to
the address this was posted from.
Newsgroups: alt.timewasters,alt.non.sequitur,alt.whine
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: The new kid in town
Followup-To: alt.timewasters,alt.non.sequitur,alt.whine,alt.flame,misc.test
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:52:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.201836.7601@iscsvax.uni.edu> pirillo2044@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>
>    If you have any friendly
>    advice, I am always... dare I say... wasting my time on this computer.

Sure, here's some friendly advice, that should get you on the right track:


		Welcome to alt.timewasters. Please press 'u'.



Hope that helps,
mdw

-- 
Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
Systems Programmer, Cornell Theory Center
  "Yow! Up ahead! It's a DONUT HUT!!"
Newsgroups: alt.autos.antique
From: bakc@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR KR COMAN)
Subject: Re: Please Help
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:45:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.093004.7803@aber.ac.uk> ans0@aber.ac.uk (Austin Newton Shackles) writes:
>From: ans0@aber.ac.uk (Austin Newton Shackles)
>
>what the hell has this got to do with autos, antique or otherwise? has it been
>sent to all the groups or what, and why?
>
>i'm sure there are plenty of newsgroups where such things are discussed, no 
>doubt ad nauseam. so my response is the same as if you'd come up to me in the 
>street with a similar questionnaire: sorry, no.
>
><flame mode off>

Agreed 100%!!!  This type of pseudo-research amounts to little more than an
abuse of both the net and its users' forbearance.  I, and a few other folk, 
took the trouble to send about 10 copies of the posting back to its 
originator together with some *kind* remarks about what to do with his bloody
questionnaire.  Childish it's true, but just maybe the fellow will think x2
next time.  I guess it has something to do with US colleges starting a new
semester around now, and this was one newbie with a class project to do
("Feminist Studies I "?) and a 1st time sign-on: "Like wow, man -- I just 
made the connection!!!"

>obautobit: since rebuilding the engine of my vauxhall viva (
1256cc) and after >a few hundred miles to loosen up, it now goes much 
better, (i can even >overtake...!). There's a nasty-sounding rattle from the 
front of the engine >still, i think this might be the timing chain 
tensioner...still can't have >everything...

To things more serious and interesting!!...   Please fix that rattle ASAP.
Vauxhall Vivas with this engine were/are *infamous* for this problem.  It's 
caused (as you surmised) by the timing chain tensioner.   This is its early
warning sign.  Ignore it and it will suddenly give way causing the timeing
chain to jump -- at worst, EXPENSIVE noises; at best, a tow-me-home breakdown
in the middle of the rush hour.   Do it now!

Cheers

Keith Coman