From: davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis)
Subject: Re: sorry: Reason no Girls
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:46:11 GMT

wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter) writes:

>Following a brutal attack by the boobs on this tube,
>hhamid@nyx.cs.du.edu (hassan hamid) writes:

>Believe it or not, there was once a popular saying in the 
>U.S. to the effect that "I may not agree with what you say, 
>but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."  
>Evidently the fascists on this net are not of that opinion.

And I also will defend to the death the right to object to it if I find
it offensive.  Along with the right to post comes some responsibility to
use words that do not offend or wound large groups of people.  When those
words are not well received, people may object and not have to worry about
being called names. 

>Hassan is far nicer to you idiots than you deserve.

I admit it, I do not easily forgive and forget.  I continue to believe that
he apologized without ever *getting* what I was objecting to.  The personal
ad he posted soon after seemed to demonstrate to me that he hasn't a 
clue when it comes to the female of the species.

>Your attackers are riff-raff.

This is my day for being called names.  I guess it was inevitable.  I
state my opinions with clarity and confidence and I don't avoid
confrontation and that makes me a pretty good target for the insecure.
So now I am a twitly queen of riff-raff!  I love it!

>I've known many arabs, and I've never met one who was 
>stupid.

I agree, that racist attack was *way* out of line.

>In reply to Hassan's act of contrition, Barbara G. Davis,
>Grand Inquisitor par excellence, makes bold to say:

Oh boy, here it comes.  Time for a word by word interpretation of my post
to Hassan.  This is so exciting.  I had no ideas what I was writing when
I wrote my post.  Thank heaveans you were here to interpret for me.

>> One of the very interesting phenomenon [phenomena, Babs]
>> of posting to the net is that you are judged and evaluated

Oh goody, the 'if you can't say something clever, attack the spelling' ploy.

>Judged and evaluated?  This _is_ an inquisition.

No, actually, this is real life.  We spend our lives judging and evaluating
everything.

>> based solely on your own words.  Your original post did
>> not give the impression of being well-read or well-
>> travelled or of working on a PHd, all the things you think
>> should impress us.

>He doesn't want to impress you.  He wants to be treated with
>respect.

You don't get respect by demanding it, you get it by earning it.  Hassan is
not earning respect or even points from me.

>> Simply telling us that we must not treat you like a bozo
>> doesn't wash with this group IMO.

>Who do you think you are?  Who is this "we"?  Are you
>the SS?

No, I was committing that unpardonable sin, stating my opinion based on
what I had read in this group.  I didn't realize that *I* was banned from
stating my opinion.  

>> We will need to see thoughtful, well written postings from
>> you on a regular basis

>Do "we" call "on a regular basis" an example of good writing?

>> to change our original impression that you are a sexist
>> bozo.  yak yak yak yak ...

>Incredible.  Simply incredible.

Thank you.  I always strive to be incredible.

>> So, for this computer professional who also happens to be
>> a great looking lady, 

>I'm speechless.

Considering what you just wrote, speechless seems like a great improvement.

>> the jury is still out on whether or not you are a sexist
>> bozo.

>Judge _and_ jury.  I'm starting to like the concept of
>sexist bozo.  They must be nice people.

They may indeed be nice people, just rather pitifully out of touch with the
wonderful world of real people. 

>God help us.

Perhaps you should go back to speechless.

Barb

-- 
Barbara G. Davis                       Internet:  davis@ucsu.colorado.edu
University of Colorado, Boulder 

                   If I don't ask, you can't say, "Yes!".
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