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From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Be a respectable Chinese.  Zi Zun, Zi Ai.
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:03:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.100923
Organization: Boston University

In article <BxBHqy.6z9@nic.umass.edu> usys@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CLARENCE J MAZIARZ JR) writes:
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Hi, are you from Chengdu? "Zan4, Zan4 Lin2 Zi3, sound very Chengdu special:-)
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:11:42 EST
From: <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Zhou En-lai and his characters

Souce: A series sotory ``The Moments Inside the Red Wall'' on People's Daily

When Zhou, the former Premier of China, was dying in his bed in the hospital,
it was extremely difficult for him to talk to somebody. But Jiang Qing, the
wife of Mao, still went to talk to Zhou frequently about some daily matters.
Zhou was very happy, very patient to solve Jiang' problems, despite of his
deteriorating health condition. He was so kind to Jiang that his guards thought
that he was such a selfless person.

One day, Mao criticized the behaviour of the Gang of Four. Hearing this news
Zhou ordered his guards never to allow Jiang's visit.

What were Zhou's characters, if any?


Peter
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese Word Processor Seeked
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:00:45 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <3789@creatures.cs.vt.edu> zhang@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Yaoen Zhang) writes:
>I need a Chinese word processor: either a MS-DOS program working
>with a laser printer, or some kind of TeX program.  

Have you tried CEDIT30.ZIP?  You can get it from 

  archive size with anonymous login,             directory
  192.88.110.20                                pd1:<msdos.editor>
  cs.pitt.edu                                  /pub/incoming

CEDIT32.ZIP will be out shortly with lian2 xiang3 support.

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//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //Go your way, be happy.
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Are you a Marxist?
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:31:14 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw414

SCC is a society (?) with its own characteristics yet 
obeys universal rules. According to Marx (if you never 
heard of him, he developed Marxism, called himself
world citizen, buried in Hyde Park, revered by Mao),
each society is like a building, economy is the 
foundation based on which stands the politics.
(Sorry for this political lesson, be patient :-)
One's behaviour serves merely as means to one's
political and economical ends (if you have not learnt
that, then start now - and be mature!)
So, Marx actually told us that those who want MFN for
China must be doing bussiness with China (what do you
think, they really care ordinary chinese people? - but 
on the other side of the coin, they actually help the 
chinese people much more than any one of us does), 
those who eat the political-meal (chi1 zheng4zhi4 fan4) 
would like the building of american politics be built in
china (Marx then would tell us that this will make china 
sink into the deepest ocean of disaster, since china does
not have the american economy), those write poems, verses,
short stories, comments (like me) are actually the most
helpless people who can find there dream nowhere. Clinton
promised everything only to become the President (Marx then
would predict he will do everything to keep the title), 
CG adopted market economy (Marx is really furious about this!)
only to keep themselves in power, just as we have a cat
(doesn't matter black or white) only to catch mise. Plain
truth, isn't it! 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (achen)
Subject: Re: a joke
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:39:44 GMT

In article <Bx9uzx.25x@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>A software company's president asked the R&D director on what kind of
>equipment the company shoud buy. "A CPU, a monitor, a disk drive, and.."
>the director answered. "Do not forget a Chinese to program them!" He added.


Mr. Chunde Shi,

I don't think this joke was meant as a compliment to Chinese people.
The real intent of this joke is to stereotype Chinese as worms
who are only good at technical things.

In America's corporations few if any Chinese are ever promoted
to senior management positions.  The reason given is typically...
"Yes, he is excellent in the technical aspects of the job, but
I think he lacks the people skills and the creativity 
required of a manager."

The above joke was probably meant to maintain this type of myth
and make the white people justified in not promoting the Chinese
to senior management positions.
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:00:56
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<1992Nov6.191310.5151@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
	<6NOV199222022897@rosie.uh.edu>
	<1992Nov7.153611.18028@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>
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In-reply-to: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca's message of Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:36:11 GMT

    From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
      * * *
    OK, so let's just live with this human right abuse. Remember the guy who
    cried on the net about his finger record being distributed without consent
    by another guy? Believe it or not, it's not *just* me who is sick of someone
    else claiming to act on his behalf.
    
I don't see anything warrants the glorious "human right" label here.  It is my
opinion that one puts only the things in .plan or .project that he wants other
people to know.  If he does not, he has put them in the wrong place.

    Should we submit ourselves blindly to an organization just because it claims
    to represent us? What do you think that caused China to be where it is today?
    Are you for some kind of totalitarian rule? Don't we deserve to have some
    dissidents on this issue as well? It *is* impossible for IFCSS to satisfy
    everyone of its member's needs. That is exactly where the momentum of
    "change" comes from. Now what would it be if all of us were the so called
    "ruber stamps"?

It is my impression that IFCSS is recognized as a major representative
oganization of Chinese students in US by the public.  Therefore, I do not feel
strange that IFCSS congratuated Bill on his election "on behave of 50K...",
although I am not a IFCSS member and do not agree with IFCSS on all it did.

    Don't attach yourself to any political organization. That way you are bound
    to be disappointed. The last word, is for all of us: Don't expect too much
    from Clinton. When he runs the economy into a deeper slum, the Republicans
    will take over for another 12 years.

I do not see how a courtesy move translates into a political attachment.  Did
we see the phenomenon of "measure others' corn with one's own bushel" here?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Congratulations, Bill.
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:54:35 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales


  Bill Clinton is elected. However, he need to wait for another two
months before he can take the job. Many things could happen during
this two months time. If, say, Mr Clinton unfortunately die in an 
accidence (God bless Bill) during this period, who would be the next
US president ?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Demonstrate on Foreign Land Against Their Country
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:42:54 GMT

In article <100723@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.125049.2293@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>>(deleted)
>>Even if Bush did intend for his statement to be interpreted universally, I
>>think he's wrong. Is there a right and wrong place to protest mass murder?
>
>I don't think Bush is wrong. One should not Demonstrate on Foreign Land
>Against Their Country.
>
>He did not say One should not Demonstrate on Foreign Land Against Their
>government, neither did he say One should not Demonstrate on Foreign Land
>Against Their government's wrong doing.
>
>Get the difference? Please donate.
>-- 

Yes, I get it. They *are* different. But when the students, including
Bill Clinton, demonstrated in England, they were demonstrating against
the US government, not against US as a country. Bush's accusation therefore
becomes irrelevant.

Fan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: abc@wam.umd.edu
Subject: Re: Any response from CG to Clinton's Election?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:19:00 GMT

In article <1dvmc6INNfar@vttux1.vtt.fi>, yu@bilbo.gra.vtt.fi (Xiaohan Yu) writes.
> 
>My oppinion is that the People's daily is worthy of a quater, especially
>for those living abroad. Do you miss Chinese words and expresions?

The problem is that the People's Daily is always cheating.  Besides the
score of the sport games, I really do not know which news is true and
which one is false.  A paper without any credit definately does not worth
any money, right?  It is true that I miss Chinese characters very much.
I read Chinese novel a lot.  On the other hand, I do not know what the
People's Daily looks alike right now.  But, if it is possible, find one
or two copies of People's Daily in 1990 or 1991, and read them into the detail.
You can find grammer errors anywhere?  I made joke to one of my friend before,
"Is it Chinese?"
> 
From: ding@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com (Ignatius Ding)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:32:58 GMT
Subject: Name and Address of A Research Organization in IL
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china

Dear friends,


The research organization that is dedicated to study the history of the 
Japanese aggression against China turns out to be in Carbondale, IL.  Many of
the researchers are also faculties of the Department of History, Southern
Illinois University at Carbondale.  The name and address of this organization 
are as follows:

   Society for Studies of Japanese Aggression Against China (SSJAC)
   110 Mark Court, Carbondale, IL 62901
   Phone: (618) 549-4993

They publish an excellent quarterly journal, The Journal of Studies of Japanese
Aggression Against China, which is the best periodical in this field published 
by an independent research organization.  Subscription of this journal will
help to fund the project in the future and the articles in each issue are very 
revealing and educational.  It is in both English and Chinese.  Some are even
in Japanese if the contributing authors are Japanese.  I strongly recommend
you to subscribe this journal.  It costs $20 per year for individuals and $60
per year for institutions.  Write check to SSJAC at the adress above.  Please
also indicate your personal interest of study or research.  Furthermore, please
refer the organization and its publication to your friends and other 
organizations, including colleges and libraries in your area.


Ignatius Y. Ding

ps.  Please e-mail me your fax number if you wish to join SSJAC.  I can fax you
     a copy of their membership registration form.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Our Letter to CND-CM:  a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:56:20 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

In article <101580@bu.edu>, lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
> In article <BxKGyD.CLy@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>>
>>Lu Gang wrote letters to major newspapers and he gave the letters of
>>one of his `friends' to mail out. I wonder who of the following handed in 
> 
> According to report, not "one of his `friends'", but 4 or 5 copies to his
> "friends".

I am not sure if he gave or mailed the letters to his friend.   he left 4
(or 5) letters ( to news media ) in the small suitcase which he carried to
that meeting room.  I think that " the letter to friend " was coming out
the first day after shooting.   There were a lot of rumors flying around.  
The news media may well be wrong. 
This is also not confirmed in the long report on LA Time and the report
in the Wrold Journal, as I understand.  So I guess this could be just a rumor.

Feng Wei
> 
>>Lu Gang's letters to police and why. 
> 
> They were shocked. Please excuse them. And never mention that. Otherwise
> ALL of them will shut you up:-(
> 
> 
> --
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Histry Of Famous Generals
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na 
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:23:42 GMT

In article <1dmmt5INN73r@champ.ksu.ksu.edu> wwxiong@champ.ksu.ksu.edu (Weize Wade Xiong) writes:
>
>Maybe I didn't make myself clear. What I want is the list of top 5 generals
>you guys admire the most. 
>
>thanks.
>
>
It's very hard to compare people from different periods and only the
top 5.  Also, are we comparing commanders of entire army or just
some extraordinary field officer?  someone like Qin2 Qiong2 or 
Yu4Chi2 Gong1 of Tang certainly cannot be compared to their contempory 
commanders like Li3 Qin4 or Xu2 Shi4 Ji1.   

As of commanders I liked: Han2 Xin4 of Han Dynasty,
Li3 Qin4, Xu2 Shi4 Ji1(both of Tang2 Tai4Zong1's generals),
Guo1 Zi3Yi4 of Tang Dynasty.  

It's hard to judge people like Yue4 Fei1 'cause their stories
had become popular legends, and possibly overrated, and people like 
Lin2 Biao1 is under-rated for obvious reasons.  



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:58:51 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa

In article <1992Nov8.213605.4746@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li) writes:
>>How do you know that???
>>
>>I suggest that you read my previous post or ask CND to send you a full copy of 
>>our letter.   Please note:  ALL chinese students metioned in Mr. Liu's article
>>agree the content of this letter.
>>
>>Feng, Wei
>>Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
>>The Univ. of Iowa
>>
> 
> 
> 	Why don't you folks in UI post your letter and names?  Why not give your
> opinions and details of the story?  I personally believe that everyone is
> a good person.  Nobody will commit vital mistakes unless he/she is forced
> to the extrem.  Also, I do NOT think everything is BAD about a BAD person.
> 

Since the letter is a reply to CMD-CM, we would like to give them enough time
to pulish our full letter first.  And you bet our real names are on it, except
for one student, Mr. X in Mr. Liu's article.    He also agrees the content of 
the letter, but he would like to keep his name anonymous as he always did.

Let me say it one more time:  we do NOT think everything is BAD about a BAD 
person either.    Our point is:  Mr. Liu Yujian's article distorted the  facts
and mislead the public.    

Our opinions about Mr. Liu's article are fully given in our signed letter.  So
far we do not give our side of stories publicly is: first, we don't want to talk
about it since it is still hurt, even to us.  Second, we do not want to comment 
directly on the victims.

Yes, among ourself, we do have different opinions on Lu Gang's personality.  
I think it is normal.   But all of us do agree:  
      1).  It is NOT all Lu Gang's fault.
      2).  Mr. Liu's Article is extremely biased and distorted the truth.


Feng, Wei
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
The Univ. of Iowa
>      
> 
> JLI
> 
> ================================================================================
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> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan)
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:45:11 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

In article <lg0e3gINNs5s@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>Chinese educated people used to be known as very polite and gentleman like.
>After all destruction of Chinese culture due to internal long time struggle
>among CCP members, and so largerly influenced the common people, Chinese
>people seem don't care to respect the olds, the teachers and those repectable

This is not true. Chinese people have been and will still be the people
who respect their teachers, olds. Nothing, even the "Culture Revolution",
can take away this merit from our Chinese because it is in our blood.

>people. After long time hatrd education, all educated young generation only
>know how to blame KMT and Chiang everything was done 40 something years ago,
>on the other hand they don't seem to know that each generation of people do
>have some responsibility to the society, to the nation, simply don't care.

I can't agree. I bet most of the Chinese people are still concerned
about their country. We Chinese are not nomadic. No matter where we go,
there is always something that binds us to the ROOT. It seems that most
of the Chinese people are hustling around for money and worrying about
their own life nowadays, this only proves that people are working hard.
You won't appreciate people who are shouting "I love ZhongGuo!" and
trying to climb the political ladder, will you?

For thousands of years, we Chinese people have never had a government
that allows us to contribute to the society FREELY. Have a look at the
exiled Liu Bingyan, Bei Dao, .... I think they want to go back home and
help the country, but they Bao Guo Wu Men. However, we have to be fair.
The current Chinese government is much better than that of the 60's and
70's. Although there are still some restrictions, most people have
chances to work for a better life (and so for their country) now.

>
>The recent TV drama series made by CCTV always revel the collapsed society
>with its faded away morality, mixing up with frustration that people have 
>no way to complain about, no way to chage, no way to improve. Though CCTV
>tends to cover up the bad side story, it exposes more day by day.
>
>A country has been ill for so many years, unless there comes a foreign 
>invasion, Chinese people seem don't care of everything!!
>

I don't like this gloomy picture and I don't believe it. The Chinese
culture was seriously hurt by Culture Revolution, but it has a very
strong self-recovery ability. Let's wait and see.


--- Yongfei Yan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong)
Subject: Re: Patriotism is the Opium of the Mass (was Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:16:30 GMT

cshi@mga.com (Chunde Shi) writes:
>
>You "D-fighters", you even radicule patriotism. leave my country alone!

Wondering why those "patriots" don't go back to the country to serve her,
wondering why they rather stay here working in some computer/software
companies such as mag.com and netix.com, wondering why they claim the
benefit of Bush's April 11, 1990 Executive Order after the June 4th and
got the jobs, H-1s and greencards (while they condemn blood cards :-)  

Shame on you, "patriots" from outside China!

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Bo Xiong in Chicago
From: yan@mercury.cs.uregina.ca (Yongfei Yan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Dan Quayle & Editor-in Chief of People's Daily
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:38:14 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, SK, Canada

In article <1992Nov12.131319.28162@oracle.us.oracle.com> fyu@fyusparc2.us.oracle.com (Francis H. Yu) writes:
>In article <92316.095258PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>>> Wow, Dan, the PotatoE Man = President?  This equation sure looks funny!
>>
>> You think it is funny that Dan be the president of USA. How about someone
>> who pronounces Melbourne (a city in Austrilia) as He (black)-er-ben being
>> the chief editor of People's Daily?
>>
>> Peter
>
>The chief editor of People's Daily does not have to be fluent in English.
>Isn't China still a Chinese-speaking country, so far?

You did not get his message, sir. The chief editor was speaking the
Chinese translation of Melbourne, which is Mo-er-ben. Unfortunately Mo
looks like Hei(black). Potatoe will certainly be trapped and pronouce Mo as
Hei, so we have Hei(black)-er-ben.

Yongfei Yan
>-- 
>Francis H. Yu
>Oracle Corporation, 500 Oracle Parkway, Box 659504, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
>Email:  fyu@shanghai.oracle.com  Voice:  (415) 506-3129  FAX:  (415) 506-7103
From: tzheng@cs.purdue.edu (Tom Zheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What can we learn from this asia cup?
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:16:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: guinan.1dq1edINN3cv
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Distribution: world
Organization: Purdue University Department of Computer Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: guinan.cs.purdue.edu


In article <92315.203005XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>, <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> Hope next turn to  be ours.
|> Feng Shui Lun Liu  Zhuang
|> Ming Tian Dao Wo Jia.
|> ( FS turns, and gets to my home tomorrow)
|> Keep your hope alive.
|> 
|> X Xu

Glad to see that there is still someone holding such high hope to our 
beloved national team after all these years.  It doesn't mean 
that I have lost all the hope to the team.  Just by my theroy it will
have to wait a little longer than as you hoped.

	San1 Shi2 Nian2 He2 Dong1  (30 years on the east side of the river)
	San1 Shi2 Nian2 He2 Xi1    (30 years on the west side of the river)

So let's count the last ten years we spent at the He2 Xi1(west side of 
the river), or Dong1(east side) if you wish.  We will still have 20 years
before we can cross the river to the other side.  Thus let's be patient.
No need to be hurry, we all still have a chance to see that day while we 
are alive.  I think that is the exactly the same what our national team
players think, as they had never tried to play their buts out in any of their
games.  You knwo why?  Because they know there are still 20 years left.
Why do they need to play hard now?

And don't ask me when was the last time we are in the opposite side of the
river.  May be I was not older enough to invent the theory so I don't
know the answer.

Tom
   
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