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From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Racism in America (Re: Ed babbles again)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:31:04 GMT

In <GPRIORES.92Sep14115357@fish.oracle.com>, gordon prioreschi writes:

>In article <2925495942.0.p00098@mail.psi.net> p00098@mail.psi.net (Jones M Murp
>>And CNN didn't disavow Pat Buchanan when he said, "When I was a boy
>>there were no racial problems. The races were segregated".

>Who is CNN to disavow anybody? Their job is reporting the news, not
>political activism. You could argue that the Republican party should
>disavow Buchanan, just as you could argue that the Democratic party
>should disavow Jesse Jackson; CNN's job is to cover anything that's
>newsworthy, and I maintain that anyone who captures over 10% of the
>primary votes of a major political party is newsworthy, agree with
>them or no.

Absolutely right.  And I wish we'd get less political commentary with our news.
At the very least, any news shows with an agenda should be honest and disclose
that fact.  Are the media afraid of allowing us to think independently?

>>[...]
>>George "Willie Horton" Bush.

>Hmm. It was recently observed (I forget by whom) that when
>conservatives see Willie Horton they see a criminal, but when liberals
>see Willie Horton they see a black. Which is the racist attitude? The
>one that judges the man by his criminal record, or the one that judges
>him by his color?

The remark was made by Alan Keyes, who is black.  Last time I heard, he was
running for a Maryland Senate seat.

How many times do people need to be reminded that Willie Horton was discovered
by the AL GORE campaign in 1988?  Or that the Willie Horton ad was seen by only
a few thousand people?  It was an ad appearing only two or three times on a
small local access channel.  And no mention of Horton's race was made.  Doesn't
that make Gore a racist (I don't think so, but if the Democrats can make the
accusation, then why can't the GOP)?


Tim Irvin  j056600@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com
******************************************************************************

DISCLAIMER:  Don't misinterpret this as a pro-GOP or a pro-Bush statement.  It
is just the truth, and besides, I'm voting for Andre Marrou.
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Waldenbooks fires staff for refusing to sell racist book!
Keywords: censorship, political correctness, first amendment
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:41:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


In my view many NPR stations, and to a lesser extent NPR's "news"
coverage is put together by a bunch of left-wing fascists. When one of
my local favorites, KPFK, went this route, carrying blatantly false
material, vicious anti-American propaganda, and the whole spectrum of
"correct" extreme left-wing views, I withdrew my financial support.

The above characterizations, of course, represent my own opinions,
not "the truth" so supporters need not flame me. I recognize that
others may like and wish to support this kind of stuff, which sometimes
has verged on gratuitous filth to the point of attracting FCC attention.

David
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,alt.sex.bondage,alt.sex,talk.bizarre
From: tjm@hrt213.brooks.af.mil (Tim Miller)
Subject: Re: Beating (was Re: RICHH: SHORT NON-PC P.J. O'ROURKE QUOTE)
Organization: The Ohio State University
	<1992Sep10.154911.1413@javelin.sim.es.com>
	<18odr5INN804@overload.lbl.gov>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:07:31 GMT

On 10 Sep 1992 21:14:13 GMT, asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky) said:

 A> In article <1992Sep10.154911.1413@javelin.sim.es.com>
 A> biesel@javelin.sim.es.com (Heiner Biesel) writes:
  >Oh Lothie, so I'm not the only one who has this thing for Alan Alda
  >and a tire iron?

 A> No, that's Alan Alda and a fish hook.

	I thought it was Ted Kaldis and a tire iron.  (I wonder if
anyone remembers this from 2 years back other than me.)

-- Cerebus <tjm@floyd.brooks.af.mil>
"Or should I say K*ld*s?"

Xref: sparky alt.politics.correct:5348 alt.censorship:7511 talk.politics.mideast:20106
From: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:25:41 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

In article <BuLHBB.Inp@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward 
A Shnekendorf) writes:
> From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) 
> ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Sep14.111631.15318@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> 
> dany@kalanit.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il (Nabutovsky Dan) writes:
> >>In article <1992Sep12.214246.25974@news.columbia.edu> 
> ia4@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imran Anwar) writes:
> >>> [nothing having anything to do with legal issues]
> >> [nothing having anything to do with legal issues]
> > [nothing having anything to do with legal issues]
> [nothing having anything to do with legal issues]

Please remove misc.legal from further postings on this topic.

Terry Carroll - tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com - 408/992-2152
The opinions presented above are not necessarily those of a sound mind.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Cabinet (humorous suggestions)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 02:19:08 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.225427.3320@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
>Please let me explain to you my reasons for rejecting gays in the 
>military.  Bathrooms, showers and dormitories.  Men and women live 
>in different quarters for one excellent reason, members of one sex 
>are justified in desiring to live without having to worry about 
>others, who are sexually interested in those of their sex, looking 
>at their bodies.  Gays and lesbians should not be allowed in the 
>military because they should not be allowed to live in dormitories 
>with others of the same sex, should not be allowed to share bathroom 
>facilities with others of the same sex and should not be allowed to 
>shower with others of the same sex; just as high school boys should 
>not be allowed to share locker rooms with high school girls in gym 
>class.

My sister was a captain in the army for nearly four years.  The only
time she lived and showered with other women was in basic training.
The rest of the time she lived in a condo by herself in a yuppie
apartment complex.

How is the military any different from high school and college
students living and showering with each other?  You really think all
the men in your dorm or your frat are hetero?  If you join a sports
club, are you going to make sure all the men are hetero before you use
the locker room?  How do you plan to do that?

Xref: sparky alt.politics.correct:5309 alt.censorship:7468 misc.legal:17153
From: ts2a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Omar Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab racism on the net (was: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:32:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cegw5jS00VomQ2uUVh
	<1992Sep12.214246.25974@news.columbia.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>If an article is written about "A" and refers to them as "B" it is called "C"
>
>A		B			C
>
>BCCI		Muslim Bankers		Financial Reporting
>Palestinian	Arab Terrorist		Objective Journalism
>
>If something is written against Prophet Muhammad, it is literature;
>against the Japanese (like Jurrasaic Park) it is fiction;
>agsinst Blacks, it is free speech;
>against Christianity, it is an opinion
>
>but anything written against one Jewish person is anti-Semitism!!

I'd put it more like this:

A		B			C

BCCI		Jimmy Carter	Election hype
Palestinian	Arab Terrorist	Just another incident in the Middle East

If something is written against Prophet Muhammad, It carries a death
penalty in Iran;
against the Japanese (like Jurrasaic Park) it is jingoism;
against blacks, it is a hate filled piece of trash that should be banned;
against Christianity, it's a modern view of contemporary religious doctrine.

but anything written against one Jewish person is anti-Semitism,
anti-Israel, pro bigotry, pro Nazi ignorant slob.

We spend far too much time deciding the labels and far too little time
reading the content.

Disputing one person's beliefs is not dehumanizing that person's
ethnicity.  Its political discourse.  And when people realize this, the
real debates will begin.

					Tom the non hacker
					Kemp in 96!
					"If patriotism is the last refuge
					of scoundrels,  Then environmentalism
					is the current refuge of totalitarians."
					Bob Jackson
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: satan@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matthew James Meyer)
Subject: politically correct terms???
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:29:52 GMT


Hey folks,


How goes?

I kind of need a list of all the politically correct terms I can get my hands
on. If you can help me out, please send a list or send me a source by email 
at satan@wpi.wpi.edu.

thanks,
satan

(i hope that was all politically correct... )

Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: The new PC word for Indian/Native American
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:50:10 GMT

I have heard that the new PC word for Indian/Native-American is
"American." Is this true? Am I no longer PC if I use Native-American
(ie, use of that word now makes me an oppressor)? Does this make
me not an American, or am I to refer to myself as an AmeriKan?

Inquiring mind wants to know...

-- 
John Moore NJ7E, 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  (602-951-9326)
john@anasazi.com ncar!noao!asuvax!anasaz!john anasaz!john@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
- Democracy is two wolves and a sheep using majority vote to decide what -
- to have for dinner. SUPPORT THE BILL OF RIGHTS - INCLUDING THE 2nd! -
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
Subject: Re: Waldenbooks fires staff for refusing to sell racist book!
Date: 14 Sep 92 02:01:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One

In article <5966.2aae5205@hayes.com> mkrieger@hayes.com writes:
=In article <Sep.6.11.33.42.1992.1730@cadenza.rutgers.edu>, masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola) writes:
=[stuff deleted]
=> 
=> NPR seemed to assume that the listeners would automatically support
=> the fired employees in their behavior as self-appointed censors.  They
=> did the same thing in a story about two waiters who were fired from a
=> restaurant (also in California :-) for refusing to sell a glass of
=> wine to a pregnant woman.  Their news is _not_ unbiased; it's just
=> slanted differently than the for-profit networks.  They do quite a lot
=> of bashing of groups they don't like.
=> 
=[stuff deleted]
=> 
=> - Steve (masticol@cs.rutgers.edu).
=
=I'm not defending anyone, and I don't know the whole story about these two
=waiters, but with the way people are litigation-crazy nowadays, it is 
=feasible that they were trying to avoid a possible lawsuit.  Picture this:
=
=The baby is born, and is deformed.  The doctor says "This was caused by
=alcohol consumption."  Mother (and father) proceed to sue everyone who
=served her alcohol during her pregnancy (similar to bars being held
=responsible for patrons being served and then said patron proceeds to go
=out and take out a small child in a very messy alcohol-related accident...
=yes it happens quite often.)


The waiter could get the pregnant woman to sign a release, no? :-)/2
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: sbarnhar@mailbox.mail.umn.edu (Dr. Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Waldenbooks fires staff for refusing to sell racist book!
Followup-To: alt.politics.correct
Organization: U of Mn Propoganda Ministry
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:40:40 GMT

In article <Sep.6.11.33.42.1992.1730@cadenza.rutgers.edu>,
masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola) wrote:
> 
> Sorry, this thread really has nothing to do with consumers.  Followups
> directed to alt.politics.correct.
> 
> rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
> 
>   [ NPR story on Waldenbooks employees fired for refusing to sell a
>     calendar they considered unacceptable ]
> 
>   [Appropriate commentary about how you shouldn't buy what you don't like,
>    not they shouldn't sell what you don't like.]
> 
>   This political correctness stuff is beginning to get on my nerves.
> 
> I agree heartily. Whether it's Ayatollah Khomeini, Tipper Gore, or
> NPR, the self-appointed guardians of my morals have no business
> judging what I may and may not read.

It's the New Stalinism.  We've all read Darkness at Noon, haven't we? 
Maybe the title should be changed to "Darkness at NPR."

> 
> I heard the NPR story too. The excerpts from the book were not at all
> funny, and were in fact pretty revolting. I wouldn't buy it. But the
> employees were definitely insubordinate, and the district manager was
> within his (her?) rights for firing them. They deserved what they got.
> 
> NPR seemed to assume that the listeners would automatically support
> the fired employees in their behavior as self-appointed censors.  They
>[...]
> 
> NPR also does not support freedom of speech for groups it doesn't
> like.  (Examples: Philip Morris, and the guy who put out "Henry:
> Portrait of a Serial Killer.")  They may be sleazy, or conniving, but
> they're supposedly guaranteed the right to freedom of speech. Dammit,
> the First Amendment applies to everyone, or it doesn't apply at all.
> As members of the press, NPR should appreciate this fact.
> 
> I've donated to NPR in the past, and may again. But for now, they get
> not one dime more of my money. Not until they make an unambiguous
> stand for freedom. _Everyone's_ freedom.
> 

Morton Kondracke has some great commentary on NPR and their unabashed
PCness in the latest issue of the NEW REPUBLIC.  I get nauseated when NPR
has a "panel discussion" and all the members of the panel tow the NPR line
and they all take turns bashing the other side of the issue the panel is
supposed to represent. Radio Moscow has changed their tune, why can't NPR?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.correct
From: meerkat@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (janet.l.pflederer)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Summary: this is a misapplication
Keywords: golden rule
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:01:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep8.234732.10700@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>In article <pjuhvm4@zola.esd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>>Consider two people:
>>
>>Person A says:
>>
>>    "If I were Gay, I would want them to coerce me to be straight,
>>    so the Golden Rule allows me to coerce you."
>>
>>Person B says:
>>
>>    "I want the freedom to say in which areas of my life I would
>>    be willing to accept coercion, so you should have the same 
>>    freedom."
>>
>>Person B actually is applying the Golden Rule.   He's doing to
>>you what he would wish you to do to him, namely allowing you 
>>the same freedoms he wants for himself.
>>
>>This is not what person A is doing.  Person A is claiming that
>>somehow the choices he makes in his life should determine the
>>choices you are allowed to make in your life.

>This is total garbage. What Person A is doing is precisely analogous
>to what person B is doing. You're just arbitrarily picking and
>choosing what interpretations you'll accept.

A wants to coerce people, including himself, to his favorite sexual
orientation.  If A were to apply the golden rule, A would welcome, or
at least allow, person X to coerce everyone, including A and X, to X's
favorite sexual orientation.  If A gets to coerce for A's favorite,
X get to coerce for X's favorite.  What that favorite might be is
beside the point.

Offhand, I can't remember seeing anyone who attempted to "straighten"
gays being very receptive to the idea of being coerced to go gay.
But then, coercion isn't welcomed (or it wouldn't be coercion).
Therefore, generally, people invoke the Golden Rule to condemn
coercion on whatever pretext.

-Janet L. Pflederer
 meerkat@homxa.att.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Family Values
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:07:14 GMT


In a previous article, StarWatcher@uiuc.edu (StarWatcher) says:

>jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop) writes:
>

>: They called to Lot and asked him where the men were who had entered his
>: house that night.  'Bring them out,' they shouted, 'so that we can have
>: intercourse with them.'
>
>In the notes, the editors of the New English Bible, Oxford Study Edition
>comment:
>
>: The entire population is here depicted as surrounding Lot's house.
>: The intent is to illustrate the sexual excesses of the Canaanites,
>: warning Israel not to participate in them.
>
>The passage in Genesis continues with the town trying to break into
>Lot's house to get at the people therein, followed by Lot's family's
>flight to Zoar, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the
>turning of Lot's wife into a pillar of salt, because she looked
>back.
>

You forget the passage where Lot offered his virgin young daughters to
the mob, to do with as they would, if they would just leave him and his
visitors alone...

And the bible describes this man as "rightous"...

>A moderately interesting fairytale indeed.
>
>--
>Michael Adams (aka StarWatcher) 		"Scares the hell out of you,
>Internet:  StarWatcher@uiuc.edu			 doesn't it?"
>Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD				--Richard Nixon, about
>Anonymous: apb.3995@n7kbt.rain.com			  	Dan Quayle
>UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarWatcher                                   
>
>Marrou/Lord in '92
>
>
>
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:17:33 EDT
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: privacy

[Comments by AAP about privacy deleted]

There are several issues here.  First, the right to privacy is a big
issue - consider the military's ban on glb people - they are tossing
people out because because someone finds out that they are glb.  (Acts
have nothing to do with it)  Also, employers (I'm watching a Court TV
case right now which involves this very issue) manage to fire people
they find out are glb (once again, no "acts").  These are examples
where the right to privacy is being invaded.

As for PDAs (Public Displays of Affection) and other public actions,
when the straight folks stop with the PDAs (holding hands, marriage,
images in commercials, movies, etc, etc) then I'll do the same.  Until
then I feel I'm entitled to the same PDAs.  I feel it is the straight
society which has the problem of same sex couples wanting to show their
affection for each other (holding hands, etc) in public.  THEY have
to change because I'm not about to hide in a closet.

My personal have been generally good tho.  As an example - recently
I hung a picture of my boyfriend next to my desk at the office.  My
boss saw it and asked me "Who's that?"  I simply replied "my boyfriend",
and he said "Oh, neat!".  When I couldn't visit my boyfriend for an
extended weekend (car problems), the first thing my boss asked me was
"Hey, is everything ok with you and Andy?"

The above example is how I'd hope everyone would react to my relationship.
I would think that the example is also how any glb person would expect
anyone else (glb or straight) to react to such a relationship.

Sometimes I'm amazed at how stupid some strait folks can be.

-Tim
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Brazil - What a country!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:25:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.062149.18301@ucc.su.OZ.AU> jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU  
(Jason Haines) writes:
} After reading about 1200 gays being killed over a space of 10 years, I can
} only say - Brazil, what a country! I think it's a bit of a waste of time,
} since when you kill one homo, another pops up in place, just like a weed.
} 
} Anyone that daubs their dick with another man's excrement is seriously fucked
} in the head.

You obviously don't know what an enema is ... Try one!  They can be such fun!

Donald
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Gays and BSA
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:34:06 GMT

There is something I am not sure about all this debate:

If the BSA stops getting money from United Way or any other tax-funded 
charity, would GLB stop complaining about BSA segregation?
Would GBL assume that BSA has a right to discriminate them, or would 
GBL still complain about it?

In short: All of this complaining is about BSA segregating or about
BSA getting money from the United Way?

AAP

Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: privacy
Organization: sgi
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 01:05:12 GMT

In article <92248.191733QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>, QAA@psuvm.psu.edu (Tim Bieling) writes:
|> 
|> As for PDAs (Public Displays of Affection) and other public actions,
|> when the straight folks stop with the PDAs (holding hands, marriage,
|> images in commercials, movies, etc, etc) then I'll do the same.

Gee, I think it's already too late.   Big companies started 
putting ads in the Gay press showing PDAs long ago, and they 
show up in the mainstream press too.  I guess someone told 
them that Gay PDAs sell products, and not just to Gays.  Funny
about that.

You might be ready to give up Gay PDAs, but I don't think that
Coors, the big Insurance Companies and Guess Jeans are.

jon.