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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Kommentare Re: diverses
Date: 28 Jan 1993 13:04:47 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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Im Falle meines Zahnarzt-Bruders wird diese Abrechnungsbuerokratie recht
gut und zufriedenstellend von einem Computer (PC) erledigt. Das
Einarbeiten der Veraenderungen ist dabei Aufgabe des Software-Hauses.
...
auch derartige Anfragen kann man bequem an den Computer richten, er
beschwert sich sofort, wenn was nicht zusammen abgerechnet werden darf. 

	ohjemine, als naechstes sind dann wir (die Computerleute und die
	Computer) "an allem schuld"... :-))

	also, soviel Vertrauen in einen Computer (bzw. Computerprogramm),
	derartig "laessig" mit buerokratischen Schlenkern auszukommen, hab
	ich schon lange nicht mehr gelesen.  Ich nehme mal an, dass Du nicht
	im Computerberuf stehst, denn ein derartiges "Vertrauensbezeugnis"
	wuerde unter Computerfachleuten (die ich kenne) nur helles Lachen
	ausloesen.  Ein AI-System (AI = articificial intellegence) das
	spielend sich mit Buerokraten auseinandersetzen kann, das waere
	nicht ein Millionen- sondern ein Milliardenerfolg...

	Dass es natuerlich Computerprogramme und Software-Haeuser zur
	Unterstuetzung einer Zahnarztpraxis inzwischen gibt, das ist keine
	(offene) Frage; ob die aber mehr als nur Routinesachen richtig
	handhaben koennen, das weiss ich ehrlich gesagt nicht. Und weder
	Computerleute noch Zahnaerzte sind "die Armen" der deutschen Gesell-
	schaft, also wollen wir mal hoffen, dass die die Wirtschaftskrise
	ueberstehen - und ich bin mehr als gewillt mich jetzt wieder anderen
	Themen zu widmen.  Ich lass halt blos immer mal wieder meine gesammelten
	Eindruecke waehrend meiner letzten Reise durchschimmern...

	z.B.  ich war ueber Sylvester in Oesterreich Schifahren, in Schruns
	(in der Naehe meines alten Hausbergs - in Ischgl - wo jetzt sehr viel
	snow boards = Schneebretter?!? - gefahren wird.  Also sapperlott, die
	Preise fuer Zimmer, Essen, Stiefel, Bretter, und Lifte, das ist schon
	"ein dickes Ei"...  nix mehr mit "preiswert in Oesterreich Schifahren".
	Es ist mein Eindruck, dass ich das naechste Mal nach Frankreich gehe,
	wo man (noch) nicht laenger an den Liften anstehen muss, als Fahren,
	und wo die Schigebiete viel auslaeufiger sind...

	toll war, jedoch, dass man in Schruns einen Trapez-Fallschirm mieten
	konnte, und von der Bergspitze, mit kurzer Anfahrt mit Schiern, schoen
	lang bis ins Tal runterschweben konnte.  Leider kriegte ich erst am
	letzten Tag mit, dass man das leihweise und kurzfristig organisieren
	konnte, sonst haette mich da nichts davon abhalten koennen (ich habe
	Fliegen und Springen vor fast 20 Jahren schon angefangen  :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger)
Subject: Auslaebderpolitik
Organization: large
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:24:34 GMT


Could someone please tell me what the latest changes or proposals for
change are in German asylum and immigration laws?

I am particularly interested now because the new year has just passed.
It was my impression last fall that Kohl was waiting for European
Community rules to change on Jan 1, 1993.  This would have eased the
problem without Kohl having to act himself, preserving his support
on the right.  But 1993 didn't arrive quite as it had been advertised.


Gee, maybe this will even make the people who want a different topic
but never propose one happy.

Ciao,
 David

--
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                           I just read the Daily News and swear by every word."
djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German microcomputer magazines
Date: 27 Jan 1993 13:11:35 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
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In article <26JAN199312415301@rosie.uh.edu> mece1uu@rosie.uh.edu (Singer, Jurgen Kurt) writes:

> I have not been back in Germany for some time, but the best magazine I remember
> is c't Magazin fuer Computer & Technik by Heise Verlag Hannover (email me if
> you need the exact address - I have to get it from home) This magazine covers
> Hardware (mostly PC's) and software at an advanced level (90% of the readers
> have a degree in engineering). I did not like MC magazine that much, since
> I thought their level degraded over the last few years. There are also lots

I can fully support the recommendation. IMHO the best articles in c't
magazine are the ones NOT dealing with special hardware or software
but with more general things, which is something almost not to be
found in any other magazine.

> of magazines out there which mostly address users with less expertise.

The worst of all is the once-better-renowned CHIP which has degraded
into a PC market overview catalog during the past years.

> Heise Verlag also has a magazine dealing specifically with Unix, but I have 
> not sampled it.

The magazine's name is iX, and for people dealing with Unix and
networking at higher level it is very recommendable.

Olaf
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From: abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Let's hit Nazis?
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:32:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan22.113218.19666
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1jovd4INNoa1@tom.rz.uni-passau.de>, braun@vati.fmi.uni-passau.de (Carsten Braun) writes:
> abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
> 
>>Christian Lampl>>...after the Soarland was taken away from Germany many people
>>from there wanted to rejoin.
> 
>>Sure. But 90% vote in such situation.... [stuff deleted]
> 
> Many people wanted to rejoin but a considerable portion of the population
> would have prefered to remain if not under french rule so under some sort
> of special status only loosely tied to Germany.

But they had such possibility! They could extend LN administration.

> In fact the pro-german vote was NOT an overwhelming 90% but only 65%

Could you tell me a source, from which you got this number?

> 
> To my opinion this is explained by the political structure of Germany in
> those days - it was dominated by the regions collectively called Prussia
> ( It's the structure certain political wings want to re-impose on the freshly
> unified Germany ). The far western regions of Germany like the nearly 
> bilingual Soarland or the Rhineland (i hope that's the correct english name)
> have always suffered under Prussian regime so it's quite logical that there
> was only limited enthusiasm in the Soarland regarding the return to Germany
> which at those days meant "Prussia & its satellites".
> 
> Carsten
> 
>>Christian Lampl>> Let's hit the Nazis?
> 
 
                              Regards
                                 
                           Victor Abkevich 
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: Israel as fascist state? (Was: Re: nd Nazis)
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:02:44 GMT

kosinov@ceg.uiuc.edu (Greg Kosinovsky) writes:

> Israel removes, without harming, a group of Fundamentalist fanatics who preach
>openly extermination of all Jews, and incite specific acts of murder, and the
>world cries about Israely "Nazism".

I think to compare this problem with Nazism is really wrong, but 
I'm interested in it anyway. I just have heard about it in the 
news and maybe someone who lives there can explain some facts
to me.
Is it true that the guilt of the 400 men was not proven by law,
but just by military ?
If so, why has military the right to send 400 people out of
the land without asking a court first ?

Bye,
  Christian

-- 
"There're so many different worlds, so many different suns,
 but we have just one world, though we live in different ones"
- Dire Straits "Brothers in arms"
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Model United Nations Conference in the Czech Republic
Date: 23 Jan 93 00:45:47 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

(If possible, please print out and post for people who might be
interested)

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations -- WorldMUN is a great forum for the discussion of 
current issues being debated by the United Nations today: 

Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
conference that brings together university students and young
professionals from around the globe to siimulate the workings of the
United Nations.  The second annual WorldMUN conference will be held from
March 28, 1993, through March 31, 1993, at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
The Czech Republic.  

Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
Council, and Specialized Agencies of the United Nations, will discuss
issues from the actual UN agenda.  In addition to the formal debate of
resolutions, committee sessions will be augmented by presentations from
politicians, businessmen, scholars, and activists who have helped shape
the dramatic world events of recent years.

In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
role of the United Nations in a new world order.  WorldMUN marks the first
truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
roles of their own nation's ambassadors.  WorldMUN strives to teach
tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
The Czech Republic.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
role of the United Nations.

The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
night club, and fitness and spa equipment.  Delegates will stay at the
Hotel Diplomat for the reduced rate of 130DM/day double occupancy, which
includes two meals a day.

Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
Joshua A. Salomon, Secretary-General
Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

Telephone:  001-617-493-6995
Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: Let's hit Nazis?
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:29:30 GMT

abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu writes:

>> Well, first of all I think there is a great difference between 
>> fear and carelessness.
>Sure. What is better?
Well, the one with fear wants to help, but isn't able because of his fear.
The one who doesn't care doesn't even want to help.
For me, this is a great difference.

>There are so many things you couldn't be sure about yourself. Bribes, robery, 
>murder... Do you think that you are a special human being and you will never do
>it? Who knows... I will not tell it about myself. However these things should
>be condemned as well as people who did them. We could pity them if they were in 
>desperate position, but we should also condemn them.

Well, maybe there is just a misunderstanding.
For me condemning is something like if I would say to 
a person (or even think): "What kind of person are ya ?
Why haven't ya done anything. Why haven't ya helped them ?"

And this with a sound of reproach in my voice.
This is something I can't do to the people who lived at
this time.
If this is what ya mean, you can tell me a hundred times
that you would do it. I won't.

If ya mean something else, well, just explain it =)

Bye,
  Christian

-- 
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 but we have just one world, though we live in different ones"
- Dire Straits "Brothers in arms"
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
From: veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Anatomie eines Flame Wars
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:08:49 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

In article <1993Jan20.025245.3430@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
> In article <1993Jan20.005751.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
> >In article <C14IDt.G5A@dscomsa.desy.de>, poser@vxdsyc.desy.de (Till Poser  -  ZEUS OFFLINE) writes:
> 
> >Can someone translate this please, as there's a possibility that it might
> >be interesting
> 
> >Laurence
> 
> Sure.  I do this professionally, though, and my spot rate is $40/hr.  
> [Not an advertisement, folks!]  With a 2-hr minimum, it may be more 
> than you want.  But do let me know. 


You certainly forgot to mention that you insist on prepays and checks
are not accepted.  But you shouldn't mention how busy your schedule
currently looks like...

-- Veit
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From: anno4000@zrz.tu-berlin.de (Anno Siegel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Anatomie eines Flame Wars
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:53:42 GMT
Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: w172zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de

In article <1993Jan20.005751.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>In article <C14IDt.G5A@dscomsa.desy.de>, poser@vxdsyc.desy.de (Till Poser  -  ZEUS OFFLINE) writes:
>
>Can someone translate this please, as there's a possibility that it might
>be interesting
>
>Laurence
>
[Till Posers article deleted]

Well, Laurence, your intentions may have been different but you did a
good job in making soc.culture.german an interesting newsgroup to read
for a while, luring Roger Lustig and other net.personalities into this
group. So maybe I owe you a favor. Unless someone else has done so already,
I volunteer to prepare a (necessarily crude, since you don't translate
*from* your first language) translation of Tills article. Let me know.

And now let's go back to some really important subjects, such as comparing
coffee prices at Autobahn vs. US highway restaurants :-).

Regards, Anno
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From: wolfi@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Berlin
Date: 23 Jan 1993 02:43:33 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cachalot.cs.tu-berlin.de

fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes:

>wolfi@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke) writes:

>>The castle was partly damaged in the war, and demolished by the communist
>>government afterwards (instead of reconstruction) to make way for a large
>>square that was used for govt. lead mass demonstrations. Later the East
>>German parliament building was erected there.

>Ist das der Alexanderplatzt?

No, Marx-Engels-Platz.

>And is not the GDR government building that is
>sitting there vacant now is full of asbestos and has to be removed anyway?

The very building. But the asbestos argument seems a bit superficial, it
looked to me they used the next best reason to close it. There are a lot
of school buildings around that are cleaned from asbestos at high costs,
that could probably be done here too.

>>BTW, in the post war era many mistakes were made in tearing down historical
>>buildings, not just in the eastern part.

>I hear the oldest postal museum in the world will be done with reconstruction 
>in a few years. To rebuild and restore 1870 type buildings must cost a few 
>small fortunes but be good for the local construction tradea and business in 
>general.

>Fred


Greetings,

Wolfgang

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mstede@cs.toronto.edu (Manfred Stede)
Subject: Re: Kommentare Re: diverses
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:40:43 GMT

werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:

>	[...] Der Staat loest
>	seine Unfaehigkeit eine vernuenftige Gesundheitspolitik (und effiziente
>	-buerokratie) aufzubauen offensichtlich immer mehr dadurch, dass er
>	den Aerzten niedrigere Preise vorschreibt, und dem Patienten immer
>	mehr Selbstbeteiligung aufbrummt. [..]

Diese "Unfaehigkeit" laesst sich leicht unterstellen, das muss dann aber auch
durch Gegenvorschlaege untermauert werden.  Nicht wenige Laender haben derzeit
mit ihren Gesundheitssystemen sehr grosse Schwierigkeiten, und nach meinem
Dafuerhalten ist das deutsche Krankenkassensystem ob aller Probleme immer 
noch das funktionstuechtigste.  Wenn Kosten gesenkt (oder "gedaempft" auf
Euphemismus-Deutsch) werden muessen, ist es doch nur recht und billig, an
allen Ecken anzusetzen, oder nicht?  Hoehere Selbstbeteiligung fuer Patien-
ten hat -- solange in sozialvertraeglichen Schranken -- nebenbei den heilsamen
Effekt, dass mensch sich vielleicht genauer ueberlegt, ob die Erkaeltung
wirklich so schlimm ist, bevor die Pharmabombe eingeworfen wird.

>	Mein Freund, der Zahnarzt, arbeitet jeden Tag 12 Stunden oder mehr
>	und praktisch an jedem Wochenende.  Er kann es sich nicht erlauben
>	auch nur einmal krank zu sein, denn keine Versicherung deckt ihn.
>	Sollte er jedoch wirklich umfallen, so verliert er in der ersten
>	Woche rein an Praxis-Unkosten DM 15,000 (waehrend sein Personal
>	rumsteht) [..] 

Geht das sonstigen Selbstaendigen anders?

>	Im Prinzip war das deutsche Gesundheitsnetz eigentlich nur dadurch
>	moeglich, dass vielleicht eine gewisse deutsche Arbeitsmoral doch
>	existiert, die das "Krankfeiern" und "Faulenzen" durch Umgebungsdruck
>	(peer pressure) relative gering hielt.  

Glaube nicht, dass dies typisch fuer das deutsche Gesundheitswesen ist; ein
voll verstaatlichtes, wie in Grossbritannien oder Kanada, wo der Patient
im Prinzip ueberhaupt nichts fuer Behandlung und Medikamente zahlt (ausser
Zaehne und Augen), ist auf "Ehrlichkeit" der Versorgten mindestens ebenso
stark angewiesen.  

manfred


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Rainhard Fendrich
From: RWKOBENT@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 10:40:15 PST
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

 
 
 
I am interested in finding out what are the most recent CD releases by
Rainhard Fendrich, if anyone can help please eMAIL me to :
RWKOBENT@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca  --- danke!
 
Regards,
ROBERT W. KOBENTER                 rwkobent@bcsc02.bitnet
BC Systems Corporation             rwkobent@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
IWS group 604/389-3821             psi%68100454::rkobenter
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: abkevich@husc3.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Let's hit Nazis?
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:28:26 EST
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1993Jan25.222125.29507@news.tufts.edu>, nraclaw@jade.tufts.edu (Nissan Raclaw) writes:
> 
> 	This argument back and forth over the Nazis and what the Germans
> should or should not have done is, pardon me, fairly pointless.  The
> speeches, writings and edicts of Adolf Hitler made it very clear that he
> intended to rid Germany (at least) of Jews, one way or another.  The
> point is, no one cared.  Not Germans, not Americans, not French.  In
> Eastern Europe, the locals began mass murdering Jews as soon as they
> heard that the Nazis were on their way.  In the Middle East, the Mufti
> of Jerusalem was offering to set up crematoria in Dimona in Israel.
> Everyone knew what the Nazis intended, but nobody cared.  Similarly, it
> makes NO difference to me WHY people supported the Nazis.  Just like it
> makes no difference to me why the blacks of Crown Heights decided to
> attack the Jews there.  The only relevant fact is that nobody cares
> about us (Jews) and it is only therefore up to us to look out for
> ourselves.
> 
> 
> Nissan.

Good said. You are straightforward man. I have a different opinion but I am not
going to argue with you. However, if you believe in what you wrote what for are
you sending such posting to soc.culture.german? You don't care about Germans. 
Jews who are posting in it are also reading soc.culture.jewish. If you want to 
"look out for ourselves", do it. Postings in soc.culture.german will not help 
it at all. I could never understand people who are recieving fun from spitting 
on others faces....

                                Cordially

                             Victor Abkevich
From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Ist die deutsche Linke immun gegen Antisemitismus? Wohl kaum!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:36:45 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu

> Erklaere nir doch mal, was  d a s mit der Sachlage zu tun hat. Mich wuerede
> auch dringend interessieren, warum hinzugefuegt werden musste, dass der eine
> Jude war. Tut mir leid, ...der Jude ... , das ist Sprache des Dritten Reiches.

	es gibt Texaner, die in meiner Gegenwart wetback/nigger/yankee sagen
	es gibt Suedamerikaner, die gringo, Capitalist, Nazi sagen..
	es gibt Deutsche, die Itaker, Affe, Jud in sagen...
	es gibt Amis, die Commie, Pinko, und "why don't you move there" sagen...

	Leute, die das machen erhalten in meinem (geistigen) Kontobuch
	"demerits" and werden wahrscheinlich von mir nie einen Freundes-
	dienst erwiesen bekommen.  Soll ich mir deswegen schlaflose Naechte
	machen muessen oder mich staendig bei allen moeglichen Leuten und
	Gelegenheiten mit "mea culpa" entschuldigen dafuer dass ich dieselbe
	Hautfarbe, Nationalitaet, Religion oder sontswas mit einem Idioten
	ueberein habe?  Man muss doch Geschmacklosigkeit und Dummheit von
	tatsaechlicher politischer Gefahr zu unterscheiden bemueht sein, sonst
	hat man doch blos noch schlaflose Naechte, eh ?!!

								---Werner


Jan 19:    "This idea of 'ethnic cleansing' will not stand"
Jan 20:    "There is nothing wrong with America,
                  that cannot be cured by what is RIGHT with America"
                                ---President Bill Jefferson Clinton

                   Thank You, MISTER President !!!
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