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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Bad tactical position ( was Psychology in Defense)
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:46:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: ttinews.1992Nov16.154427.1697
Organization: The Cat Factory

In article <9211131417.AA16112@rutgers.edu> amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves) writes:

}... It also may be that he has a friend in the house or
}area and he's trying to distract you while his friend takes you from
}behind.  ...

A police officer who specializes in this sort of thing tells me this is
almost invariably the case.  I.e.:  If you see one perp, you can bet
there's at least two.  If you see two, there's three or more.

Moral:  Watch your back.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483
Santa Monica, CA  90405
From: smpod@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Glocks
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:30:57 GMT
Organization: who knows

efk00@cd.amdahl.com (Eddie Kieger) writes...
# ....
#This is unacceptable. My 1911A1 will feed Round nose lead reloads 
#FLAWLESSLY and it has never had ANY feedramp or throat work of any kind. 
#It also feeds semiwadcutters with only an occaisional jam (less than 1 
#in 100).
# 
#Is it possible to get a feed job done on a Glock to let it run lead bullets??

95% of the rounds that I use with my Glocks have lead bullets.  I have had
NO problems except for reloads using Norinco brass.
From: reb@amc.com (Bob Brunjes)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Neck sizing
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:15:35 GMT
Organization: Applied Microsystems, Redmond, WA

In article <1992Nov11.222248.12881@news.eng.convex.com> cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:
#In article <27372@dog.ee.lbl.gov> bercov@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (John Bercovitz) writes:
##In article <1992Nov11.035257.22749@news.eng.convex.com> cash@convex.com 
##(Peter Cash) writes:
#
#[ questions about neck-sizing only when reloading 6.5 x 55 ]
#
##If that's one o' them rear lockup jobs, you may find that it stretches
##cases enough that you can't get away with neck sizing continuously. You
##may well have to full-length resize every time or every other time.  I'm
##no expert on the particular rifle I think you have, so this is just a
##caveat.  Generally, this is a pretty darned accurate cartridge/rifle as is.
##Have you had any accuracy trouble with it?  Just trying to improve it?
#
#The main reason I was interested in neck sizing is that I hoped it might
#prolong the life of the cases, and I wouldn't have to lube them. (Uck, I
#hate lubing.) Well, some more accuracy wouldn't hurt...
#
#So far, the consensus seems to be against neck-only sizing, anyway. Though
#one person suggested that I simply take the full-length die and back it out
#a bit.
#
While neck-size-only may very well be the best way to go, it is not _in itself_
sufficient for concentricity of case and bullet, necessary for good accuracy.
While testing dies a few years ago, Handloader magazine found that the most
concentric round was produced by full-length resizing with the Bonanza Co-Ax
FL die, and the least concentric round was produced by neck-sizing with the
RCBS neck-size-only die.

Range test confirmed that accuracy of these rounds was directly related to
concentricity.  Because I was using the RCBS neck-size die (in the interest
of accuracy) when I read the article, even though I had the Bonanza die set,
and was using the Bonanza seating die, I immediately began using the Bonanza
FL size die.  I picked up some accuracy in the process. 
#-- 

Bob Brunjes		Applied Microsystems Corp
			Redmond, WA
			reb@amc.com
From: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: GLOCK 17L
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:16:00 GMT
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH

As quoted from <1992Nov12.183644.16172@email.tuwien.ac.at> by holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Holger Reusch (Dipl. Gerhard + Joe)):

# #An article I read somewhere suggested to put a bicycle tire tube on the
# #grip of GLOCKs. Does that sound like a good idea to you?
# 
# No.  Glock grips are as-is on the huge  side.   For  people  with
# average  hande the Glock grips are already at the acceptable max-
# imum.  As a G19 owner, I wouldn't recommend it.

I recommend the mesh back Browning shooting gloves... unless you're shooting
NRA bullseye, since gloves are prohibited there.


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From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AR parts - which ones to have on hand?
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:13:47 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <Bxtuz7.C0w@SSD.intel.com>, cower@SSD.intel.com (Rich Cower) writes:
# 
# What parts would you AR experts keep on hand, assuming you couldn't buy
# them in the future? I'd like to keep my HBAR operational, and if I can't
# buy parts...which ones should I purchase now? Which parts have you had
# break? wear out? or just lost in cleaning?
# 
# thanks...rich cower

Anything small, or that is under spring tension when you take it
apart for cleaning.  On an AR-15, the little pin that holds the
extractor into the bolt, the pin that holds the firing pin into the
bolt.  I would also have a spare firing pin, a spare recoil buffer
spring, spare magazine catch spring, and plenty of spare magazines.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Foxes prefer rabbits with short claws." -- Nadja Adolf
From: leem@jpl-devvax.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Lee Mellinger)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Law enforcement view (was Re: Bad tactical position)
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:08:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: jpl-devv.1992Nov16.182747.27235
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)


In article <1992Nov15.215602.11404@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> spf@hoqaa.att.com (Steven P Frysinger) writes:
:# OK,  Someone tell me.  I scream at the perp "ON THE FLOOR" 
:# He says "fxxx you" ,  I yell "DO IT NOW!"  He calls me "you homo." 
:# He does not attack me, but he doesn't obey.  Stalemate.  Do I shoot 
:# him or not?  Any takers?
:# 
:
:Okay, I'll give it a try, based on our SOP (which may differ from other
:jurisdictions).
:

Excellent explantion of use of force deleted.

:
:Again, your mileage may vary.  Different states have different SOPs for
:law enforcement (as well as different legal bases for civilian use of
:force).
:
:Steve Frysinger

This use of force policy mirrors very closely the Los Angeles
Sheriff's Department policy.
From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Ghostring sight for a Remington 870?
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:14:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ttinews.1992Nov17.020751.26617
Organization: The Cat Factory


I'm looking for someone to add this feature to the latest addition to my
arsenal.  I'm told there's a company in this end of the world that does
it, but no one can remember the name.  I've found one gunsmith, so far,
who's willing to order the part from Mossberg and adapt it to the
Remington, but I don't know anything else about him.

I'd appreciate any recommendations for gunsmiths in the Greater L.A. area
to do this type of work and some idea of what I should expect to pay and
how long it will take.  I'm also interested in a set of quick-disconnect
sling swivels and, maybe, an oversized safety button.

Oh, yes --- and recoil suppressors (the kind that get built into the
stock).  Any recommendations?  Good/bad experiences?

AdvThanksance.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483
Santa Monica, CA  90405
From: fjb20@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Francis J. Bruening)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Gun needed for wife
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:50:42 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation


I just wanted to put in my 2 cents regarding the PPK. 

I had a PPK/S in stainless several years ago. It's a beautifully made gun, 
and has all the desirable features other posters have mentioned. 

HOWEVER, I feel it is not a good gun for a casual shooter. 

I don't know if it's just me, but I ALWAY got the familar Walther "bite" on 
the base of my thumb, that gun had a nasty "bark" and sharp recoil which I 
haven't felt in my 9mm's or .45s or revolvers. It's the most unpleasant gun 
I've shot.

I was teaching my wife to shoot it, and I made a bad mistake. After talking 
her through a few magazines I made the mistake of not watching her grip as 
carefully as I should. She (having VERY long fingers) managed to put her weak 
hand thumb behind the slide. She shot the pistol, and then quickly put it 
down. She had sliced her thumb to the bone on the slide as it kicked back. 

I was the dummy who let her do it so I know that's not the guns fault. (she 
NEVER holds her Glock incorrectly. I'm just pointing out it's a hard gun for 
the tyro to do well with. Add to that a really heavy trigger pull, non-
existents sights, and fumbling around with a saftey and I think you've got 
less than an ideal combo.

Add to this the gun is expensive and heavy and I think it's a pistol which 
gets most of it's buyers from it's "mystique". If it's good enough for Bond, 
it's good enough for me. (hey, that's why I bought it when I didn't know any 
better)

I think there are several better choices. Among them,

1) Glock 19 (carried condition 3 or chambered in a holster
2) One of the S&W snubs (the Ruger is way too heavy, carry a full sized gun 
if you're going to carry the SP101.
3) The little Beretta .22 tip up. (I don't know the exact model number)

In any event, have the user of the pistol TRY it out at the range before 
buying them one. If they don't like the gun better to find out before they 
buy it, and then never practice with it...


btw - My wife still ended up marrying me, even after I let her slice her 
thumb. And she has turned into a pretty good shot! We both learned from my 
mistake, she just suffered more for it. ;-(

Francis J. Bruening
fjb20@juts.ccc.amdahl.com <> francisb4j@aol.com
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From: booth@mdd.comm.mot.com (Greg Booth)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Muzzelite Mini-14 Bullpup Stock
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:05:21 GMT
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC

In <199211180549.AA05371@cherokee.advtech.uswest.com> kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin) writes:

#Does anyone have one of these fancy bullpup stocks for his/her Ruger
#Mini-14? It looks to me that it is a good design: you have a rifle
#length barrel and yet the whole thing is compact and light weight.
#However, how is the trigger pull? Is it really as handy as it is
#advertized? Is it legal to "dress up" your Mini-14 with a bullpup
#stock? Any comments will be appreciated.

I was thinking of one for my 10/22. Talked to a local gunshop,
they refuse to sell them anymore (this is before the bullpup stocks
were banned) apparently they are a royal bitch to install. 90%
of them come back with the complaint "I can't figure out how this
works".


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From: rsojka@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.e.sojka)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Ruger Super Redhawk Problem
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:40:39 GMT
Organization: AT&T


	Hi,

	I have a Ruger Super Redhawk 44 mag with a 1.5-7x TC scope that I have
	been having problems shooting with. When I first purchased the scope I
	installed it myself using the factory scope rings that came with the
	the gun. But not knowing what I was doing I didn't use any Locktight(?)
	type material and after shooting off a few rounds the scope had loosened
	and was probably jarred pretty heavily. I reset the scope myself 
	and repeated this cycle a few times before getting the scope
	professionally mounted.

	Now I have a firmly mounted scope, but when I shoot the gun at a
	very large target from a distance of 25 yards I'm all over the target.
	I'm talking 18'' up or down and 12'' left or right.
	I have caught myself flinching on occasion but most of the time as the
	shot is being fired I'm still looking through the scope and don't appear
	to be off more then a couple of inches from the center of the target.

	My questions are, is it possible that I have damaged the scope
	previously from all the jarrging caused by it coming loose? Is it
	typical for a damaged scoped to not be able to shoot groups or is
	it just the zeroing ability that becomes a problem with a damaged scope?
	Could I be off by this much from unskillful shooting? I shoot a
	7mm magnum rifle at 50 yards with 1 inch groups without any type
	of flinching problem. If I do have a scope problem can I verify it
	without taking it off and paying a fee to have it professionally
	installed again? Any suggestions on a good durable scope for this
	gun?

	Thanks in advanced to all responses any information will be greatly
	appreciated.


 	Bob
From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: B-Square Scope mount for M-96 Mauser
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:04:49 GMT
Organization: The Instrumentality

I've found a B-Square scope mount advertised for the M-96 Swedish Mauser
for $50. I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has experience with this
product. (Note that the problems inherent in mounting a scope on the
M96 are different than those with mounting a scope on other Mausers, so
experience with using a mount by the same maker on, say, a 98k aren't
relevant.) 

Specifically, I'd like to know how hard it is to affix this mount, and how
satisfied you were with it. 


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
             |      Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist.     |
Peter Cash   |       (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein)      |cash@convex.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: American Rifleman = Consumer Reports?
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:19:00 GMT
Organization: Western Washington University

rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Dana Rigg) writes:

#AR probably has to be careful what they say or the manufacturers will
#stop sending guns to them for review.

	This is real simple to cure: buy the review items, or borrow them from
a "real person" who has one.
Eliminates the problem you mention, also the problem of getting special
products that were made extra nice for review.

I don't think that AR, unlike commercial gun mags, gives good write
ups to get "gift guns", or to appease advertisers.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: ehorne@zeus.calpoly.edu (Eric T Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Scopes Hitting Eye/Forhead
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:08:37 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <9211142243.AA19219@hpfcmgw.fc.hp.com> bartb@hpfcmgw.fc.hp.com (Bart Bobbitt) writes:
#I thing the biggest problem regarding rifle scopes hitting folks during
#recoil is that the scope was mounted improperly in the first place.
#A `competetent' gunsmith will mount the scope only when the rifle's
#owner is present.  This way, the 'smith can put the scope as far forward
#as it's eye relief permits as the rifle is shouldered by the shooter in
#a sitting position.  When a scope is so mounted and the shooter shoulders
#the rifle in the standing position, most of the field of view is seen.
#But more importantly, when sitting, or prone for that matter, the scope
#is far enough forward and won't hit the shooter during recoil.

I was wondering if, in laymens terms, you could describe the proper
way to mount a scope on a rifle. I never took into consideration 
eye relief (ie, how do you calculate this?)

Thanks

-Eric
From: bz269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James D. Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: RUGER P90DC INFO. NEEDED
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:05:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, howardjg@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (John G Howard) says:
#	I looked at one recently, and it had to be one of the HUGEST  
#45s I've ever held- plus it is only 7+1!!!
#	Go buy something that is a tad bit smaller, has better  
#capacity, feels like it was soundly constructed and is light...

	An Astra A-100?

# Buy one of the SIGS.

	Oh!	8-)

This reminds me, what about the "cheap" 1911s, ala Auto-Ordinace.

I never considered them because they didn't look as nice as Colt or
SA, but I've noticed that they cost less than a Ruger .45.  (Whlsl 
$250 vs $310).   Could they possibly be any worse?  I've heard that
AO frames could be used as a spacegun base, but that's the only 
aknowledgement I've seen from any "real" (ala non-first time buyers)
consumer that this brand has any value.   I've heard bad things
about AO, but have the one friend who claims that they are ok (same guy
who said he knew people who start out with them and fix them up,
and/or build decent guns out of AO frames.)

Where is AO in your estimation?

If someone wants a reliable shooter, might they come out ahead
buying an AO 1911 or "Pit Bull" rather than a Colt and using 
some of the ~$200 savings for improvements?

JD
From: fjb20@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Francis J. Bruening)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Glocks and Lead Bullets?
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:14:17 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation


I don't know what the big deal about shooting lead bullets out of Glocks is. 
I've shot well over 10K out of a G17, and have had no problems. These are 
cheap handloads used mostly for IPSC style practice, I don't expect bullseye 
accuracy, but even with "cheap" lead bullets the gun shoots better than I. I 
may get an occasional feeding jam (due to the bullet and case not being sized 
correctly, but they are easy to clear. (and good practice too!)

You do have to clean the barrel more often, but so what? I can shoot for 
under 7 cents a round (discounting the inital cost of the brass).

I wouldn't use lead bullets if I wanted to ensure the gun feeds flawlessly. 
I've shot maybe 2K jacketed bullets and have NEVER had any malfunctions. I 
know that isn't a large statistical number, but I feel confident that my 
Glock will fire with the hydra shocks I keep it loaded with at home...




Francis J. Bruening
fjb20@juts.ccc.amdahl.com <> francisb4j@aol.com
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From: holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Holger Reusch (Dipl. Gerhard + Joe))
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: US gun laws (was: International Gun Laws...)
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:24:59 GMT
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA

donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
#In article <1992Nov17.114221.18465@email.tuwien.ac.at>
#holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Holger Reusch (Dipl. Gerhard + Joe)) writes:
##Note: From now on, I *WILL* cover US gun laws.  Just  don't  send
##me  the  special  regulations of each county, please.  Let's keep
##this on a state-or-above level.

#I appreciate your generous offer but I don't think you know what you're
#getting yourself into.  My Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms state
#law listing is about 125 pages long.  Sure, it includes some county
#stuff that you wouldn't be tracking but it seems like an impossible
#task to me...

No problem.  If it gets too big, I can always compress the files.
Legal  babble  should  make  excellent material to lower the text
redundancy.  So keep 'em rolling, for now.

-- 
| Holger Reusch                             |
| Technical University of Vienna, Austria <-+--- No kangaroos here,
| Dept. for Real-Time Systems               |    sorry!
| holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at                 |
From: x9999bvj@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: WA2000
Date: 24 Nov 92 01:50:24 GMT
Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities


Is the WA2000 legally purchasable in the USA?  Any idea on cost?

Thanks,

B
From: wix@eskimo.com (Dennis Wicks)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: LASERs - rangefinders?
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:31:15 GMT
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<

In article <1992Nov13.013459.7257@ke4zv.uucp> ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) writes:
#For short distances, there are sonar ranging devices. Sound moves at
#335 m/s, so the timing requirements are greatly relaxed. Simple equipment
#works well out to 10-30 meters. Beyond that, ultrasound is attenuated enough
#that it becomes difficult to sort out the echo from other sources. For longer
#distances out to a kilometer, optical split image rangefinders depending
#on geometric parallax are typically used. At still longer distances, radar 
#returns as the favorite.

I saw a demo of the latest generation of speed detectors at the
fair a couple months ago.  I believe they are infra-red.  As I
remember, they are accurate in distance measuring within 1/100
ft. at distances ~one mile on moving or stationary subjects.
They are a little pricey though. ~$4000 if memory serves.
From: btree!hale@UCSD.EDU (Bob Hale)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A "must" for the reloading bench
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:32:18 GMT
Organization: Brooktree Corporation, San Diego

In article <27530@dog.ee.lbl.gov> biocca@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Alan K Biocca) writes:

[ material about kinetic pullers deleted ]

#I've read that very occasionally someone has a problem with one.  Always
#wear safety glasses and about the only risk is to the puller itself.

I frequently arrange to have a piece of plywood between myself and
the puller.  You don't typically need to be able to see what's
happening while you are swinging the puller.  I suppose that a
long leather glove would also be a good idea - I'll have to get
one of those.  Of course, eye and ear protection should also be
used.

Bob Hale                                      ...!ucsd!btree!hale
...!btree!hale@ucsd.edu                       ...!ucsd!btree!hale@uunet.uu.net