HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Cumhuriyet Hafta's address???????
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:14:48 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

hkanb@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Kemal Anbarci) wrote:
> I need the subscription information for Cumhuriyet Hafta

In the UK:

   Turkish Language Books
   81 Shacklewell Lane
   London E8 2EB
   England
   (+44) 71 249 0367 (phone & fax)

Can't remember the price offhand; not cheap, anyway.

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Only one in ten "Sipas" called up to join the Greek navy can swim.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:56:25 GMT


In article <948@hawkeye.hawkeye.com> mps@hawkeye.hawkeye.com (Michael Snyder) writes:

>Well, this stuff is now spilling all over from the ethnic pick-and harass
>groups that everyone is bitching about.  What relevance does non-swimming
>Greek sailors have to do with administering news systems?

Here we have selective reading. And the old and tired argument you trot 
out is just that, old and tired. Besides, in the proper context of events, 
this is intellectually and morally dishonest. I think you have a big 
misconception about how life works. "Paliks" apparently think they can 
post bigoted remarks in public and not be called to account. Well, their 
perceptions are demonstrably wrong. You don't fight bigots and "sipas" by 
running away from them; they have a tendency to seek you out wherever you 
go.

Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
        Turkish Republic,' New York University Press, New York (1991).

 page 203:

  <<The leader of the Ashkenazi community of Corlu complained to the
  president of AIU [Alliance Israelite Universelle] in 1902 about
  persistent Greek attacks against its Jewish quarter:

    ''The fanatic Greeks of our city, as of other places in Thrace,
    have the habit of, contrary to the spirit of real Christianity,
    making a replica of Judas Iscariote and of burning it on the night
    of Holy Saturday. They construct a wooden figure, cover it with
    clothing which they claim is that of the ancient Jews, and they
    burn it publicly in the middle of a multitude of the ignorant and
    the fanatic. It often happens that this multitude, already excited
    by the tales of the suffering of Christ that has been made to them
    at the Church, is exaulted at the appearance of the execution of he
    who is supposed to have betrayed Christ, and works up a great anger
    against the Jews...For a long time we have known that each year,
    on such a day, they will cut off the heads and arms of the corpses
    in our cemetery and will burn them with great solemnity. We make
    no complaint about this in order not to create differences between
    the two communities. But this audacious madness of these fanatics
    has increased. We ourselves see the flames and hear the cries of
    hatred and vengeance against the Jews.''[42]>>

[42] Ashkenazi Community, Corlu, to AIU no.8783, 2 May 1902, in AIU
     Archives (Paris) II C 8, with report printed in El Tiempo of 1 May 1902.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.nordic
From: armagan@sassafras (Armagan Ozdinc)
Subject: 94 World Cup qualifiers - European Group 2
Reply-To: armagan@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:34:12 GMT

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England         0 0 0 0  0  0  0
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Turks in Greece
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 21:55:09 GMT

errol@leland.Stanford.EDU (errol craig) writes:

>(Serafim Efstratiadis) writes:
>>
>>the Muslim minority in Thrace, Greece,
>>(which 50% are considered a Turkish minority) is literally thriving.
>>That is, it's standard of living is THREE TIMES higher than that in Turkey.
>>They have been in peace in Greece for more than 80 years.
>>...
>>for the Muslim minority in Thrace, Greece: Beautiful compared to the
>>conditions in Turkey. Because Greece is stable, democratic and prosperous
>>country and it is a part of the European Community, the wealthiest
>>communist in the world. Do you get that, Besime?

>	I would contest your claim that conditions in Thrace are
>better for Turks than in Turkey, as an American who has been to
>Greece and Turkey on several occasions.  In particular I have been to
>Thessaloniki, Kavala, and Xanthi. 

  He most probably means the merchands, doctors, and lawyers of Xanthi and
  Komotini. There are wealthy and poor Turks in Grrece.  The ones who can
  use the laws for their advantage, are thrieving.  The others, the ones
  who deny to follow current laws, are staying poor.

  See for example the role of Mr. Sadik;(he is their representative in the 
  Greek parliament.) He lives most of his time in Turkey; instead, he could
  do many things for his voters.  He could propose projects to be funded
  from EEC for the benefit of his voters.  What is hapening now is the 
  following: when a public work has to be done, for example construct
  a new road, Mr. Sadik gathers his fanatics and prevents its completion.

  Therefore, their financial status mostly depends on themselves.  The laws
  are the same for both Greeks and Turks.  There is no racial or religious
  discrimination.

>Regards,
>Errol

-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:9994 talk.politics.soviet:7937 soc.history:8295
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Only one in ten "Sipas" called up to join the Greek navy can swim.
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:09:56 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <8209081557.A1867XJ@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:


In article <1992Sep5.051241.16404@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:

	Does one have a right to say anything to a person who does not
want to hear it?

Switch to "B" channel.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From:  ()Jennifer A. Pursell
Subject: RE: Tsi*'s blah blah distinguish blah Lausanne blah blah
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:46:30 GMT

I honestly am puzzled.  Does there exist some connection between these
articles about Jews taking refuge in Turkey from European persecutions and
the original point of conention - i.e. the Lausanne/Montreaux/blah blah
treaty about these Eagean islands?  I simply have trouble picturing, in my
own mind, any tangible (or metaphysical, for that matter) connection.  

Also, a word about the comment about Turkey's being "undemocratic" as a
"free press" does not exist, according to the person who made the statement
in the first place, and who later asked for a response of some kind:
     
        I'm no expert; I don't pretend to be.  I see Turkey as a country
very much between worlds, in a sense.  In my opinion, the people of Turkey
are trying to 'westernize' and 'democratize' as well as 'capitalize' their
government and way of life.  I think that "free press" is a tricky term. 
For instance, I do not think that the mass media of the United States is
without its own, perhaps covert, system of censure and 'selective
reporting'.  No government has ever existed without corruption, and none
ever will.  No society has ever existed without engendering (unfortunately)
prejudice, hatred, violence and war on at least some level.  What I'm
trying to say is that I believe that many Turkish citizes care about
improving their nation and making it a better, more western and more
democratic place (by the way, I do not believe that westernization as a
general concept is necessarily a positive one).  Reading all these articles
and seeing people constantly 'pointing the finger' and insulting one
another does absolutely nothing to increase knowledge of the issues and to
improve international relations.  Let us try to work with one another and
to show some understanding for one another.

Sincerely, 

Jennifer
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:9949 talk.politics.mideast:19996 talk.politics.soviet:7900 soc.culture.greek:8848 soc.culture.europe:8351 soc.history:8250
From: rika@informix.com (Rika Tsitsinia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: 'Tsi*'s Inability To Distinguish Between 'Lausanne' and 'Montreux.'
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:24:07 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <9209020026.A9904Fo@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>
>
>
>
><1992Sep1.161952.18417@informix.com>
>rika@informix.com (Rika Tsitsinia)
>
>>>And the best evidence you can find is second hand hearsay from an unnamed 
>>>source. Your inability to distinguish between 'Lausanne' and 'Montreux'
>>>is incredible. You 'palikaryas' make me laugh. The Dodocanese islands 
>>>in the Aegean Sea must be demilitarized in accordance with the Montreux 
>>>Treaty (1936). Flouting this international accord, Greece has built 
>>>extensive military air bases in these islands in an act of open aggression 
>>>towards Turkiye.
>
>>	Oh, so now you learned that there exists a Montreux treaty!
>>    Well done! The previous time you had said Lausanne.
>
>Is this "palik" for real? Take a cold shower. 
>
>Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'The Jews of the Ottoman Empire and the
>        Turkish Republic,' New York (1991).
>
> pages 196-197:
>
>  <<The revival of Ottoman Jewry during the last half of the nineteenth
>  century produced ugly reactions among their rivals within Ottoman
>  society. So long as the Jews were excluded from economic and financial

	And Mr Argic continues quoting 5 pages on the strife between
    christians of all color and jews under the ottoman empire. My wonder
    is this:

	In a discussion about the legality of militarization of the
    greek Dodekanese islands according to the treaties of Lausanne in 1924
    and Montreux in 1936, what relevance does Mr Argic's drivel have?
    Who is for real and who should hit the cold showers?

	Paradoxically, the second part of my two postings on this
    matter, the part that I insist is the most important, the argument
    that Turkey is an undemocratic country because of government control
    over the press, is cut and unanswered. It seems that our friends
    are operating on automatic pilot, randomly choosing among irrelevant
    articles to answer postings, until someone tells them what to say?

	I am still waiting for an answer to the second part from
    Mr Mutlu, the untiring researcher.


	Georgios
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: "sipas" who can't swim.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:52:33 GMT


In article <9209041443.AA06347@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>Hasan seems to have lost it. Although famed as an automotive nation and
>despite being the nation to mass-produce automobiles, construct 
>great highways, bridges, and other roads, and having the youngest 
>driver licence age of any nation,  the average United States driver
>(suburban / rural / etc) would not have a PRAYER passing, say, the
>basic British or even the Greek driver licence test. 

But, it was not the United States that lost almost every single war 
against Turkiye. After the Ottoman Empire lost World War I, the British 
landed in 1919 a 200,000 Greek army in Izmir to exterminate the people 
of Turkiye. The tired and defeated Turks rose up, formed a National 
Force under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal, and on August 30, 1922 
they annihilated the bulk of the Greek Army (and gave swimming lessons
for free). That's why "Sipas" swim like they are crazed.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:9995 talk.politics.mideast:20089 talk.politics.soviet:7938 soc.culture.greek:8910 soc.culture.europe:8384 soc.history:8296
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,soc.history
Subject: German sources on the Armenian genocide of the Turkish people.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 20:04:01 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <visser.716491191@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

+>I am amazed to learn that "vissers" are required to agree on US
+>Constitution; no wonder this wieneramus is in such a mess. Well, 

>	I am still waiting for an explanation of why you dont have
>the courage to post the material you do under your own name.  

No kidding. Is this wieneramus for real?

Source: W. E. D. Allen and Paul Muratoff, "Caucasian Battlefields," 
Cambridge University Press, 1953, p. 481.

"As the Armenians found support among the Reds (who regarded the Tartars
 as a counter-revolutionary elements) the fighting soon became a massacre
 of the Tartar population." 

Source: General Bronsart wrote as follows in an article in the July 24, 
1921 issue of the newspaper "Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung:"

"As demonstrated by the innumerable declarations, provocative pamphlets,
 weapons, ammunition, explosives, etc., found in areas inhabited by
 the Armenians, the rebellion had been prepared over a long time,
 organized, strengthened and financed by Russia. 

 Since all the Moslems capable of bearing arms were in the Turkish Army,
 it was easy to organize a terrible massacre by the Armenians against
 defenseless people, because the Armenians were not only attacking the
 sides and rear of the Eastern Army paralyzed at the front by the 
 Russians, but were attacking the Moslem folk in the region as well."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: CALL FOR ASHOK PAULOSE, the Funny-so
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:38:40 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

  
[lots of palavra deleted]  
  
> so that you don't forget--"there is no allah but God".Now , when the truth  
  
My son ! My Sonny-Son !  
You said something very funny-Son !  
  
because Allah means 'the God' in arabic, [al = the]  and [ilah = god]   
which makes it [Alilah-> Allah], simple grammar, isn't it My Funny-Son ?  
therefore, what you said:  
  
"there is no allah but God"  
  
amounts to:  
  
'there is no the god but god'   
  
however in the Quran it is revealed to the people who use intellect and  
also well versed in the Torah and the Gospel that:  
  
'there is no god but the God'  
  
Now, My Sonny-Funny son, even to be able to dare to insult some words of   
the God, you need to learn some basic grammar. Or else you sound   
ridiculous rather than Cocky-son, isn't it My Funny-Son ?   
  
> self(now what has  allah got to say to that Huh!).  
  
Do Allah need to say anything more than what He had already told  
in the Torah, and the Gospel and the Quran,:-> but to the people who use   
intellect ? Isn't it son ?  
  
Now :-> how can one uses intellect, while one cannot even put two words  
together and create an act in language, My Son ?!  
  
> God be with you my son, and your poor father (bless his grey hairs)  
  
now, which god My Son ?  
  
the God ? or God ?  
  
Agla Kamil, agla !  
  
exactly My Son, exactly...  
  
> Yours sincerely  
> Kunnath Paulose
From: by403@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Welcome Back KELLY!
Date: 9 Sep 1992 01:20:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Another gem fetched from soc.culture.turkish. Hidden amongst the reams and
reams of ASCII data, here comes.....

> From [...]!darwin.sura.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!kksys.com!anatolia!news
> From: KELLY@SUVM.SYR.EDU
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
> Subject: Test
> Message-ID: <m0mRyyD-0002RjC@uum1.mn.org>
> Date: 8 Sep 92 06:22:19 GMT
> Sender: news@anatolia.mn.org
> Lines: 1
> 
> Test Tuesday 02:23 a. 9/8/92

Well Well WELL. Who's back once again. Pretty soon and we'll have the
entire list of users in the Mut*u/Cos*r/KEL*Y Posting house. 

Observant news readers may want to notice the path; KELLY@SUVM.SYR.EDU
sounds like a valid address; then, it was posted from 'anatolia', though
the Message-ID indicates yet another machine, 'uum1.mn.org'. 

We all remember KELLY of course; he was the one posting re-prints of 
Mut*u's stuff, especially the "Greeks did this and that to Jews 400
years ago" material, in his less than lively discussions with Andronicos
Romanos (PXP111@PSUVM.PSU.EDU).

Well, Wellcome back KELLY. Maybe this time you'll get to write some of
your own material, unlike last time. It worked for others in the
Mut*u/Cos*r/KEL*Y Posting house....

[Would someone forward this to Mustafa? I'm pretty sure I made tops 
in his Kill file(s) but would like to send him one more example of 
fanatics at work...]

Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                  by403@cleveland.freenet.edu
OUZO POWER                                 [Not really in Cleveland]
From: montas@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Hubert J Montas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Anarchy in Turkiye
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:02:47 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


 Hi and Selam,
    A while ago I read a news report on this newsgroup, about clashes
between an organization called Dev Sol and the police in either
Ankara or Istanbul. I was wondering if Dev Sol is actually a group of
anarchists or other political activists. Is there a lot of political
dissent in Turkiye? What is the regime, and what is the point of view
of the youth towards it?
    Thanks in advance. Please reply via e-mail (if you want) or the net.

    H. Montas.
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From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,news.admin,rec.humor
Subject: Re: Steve Simmons (Hela.Iti)
Summary: Down Rover..
Date: 5 Sep 92 01:28:00 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <9208311855.A7381JM@zuma.UUCP>, sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
> <scs.715294209@hela.iti.org>scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) said:
> >A giggle a day keep the idiots at bay.
> 
> If an 'hela.iti's prayers were answered, bones would rain from the sky.

I know that would make my dog Misha happy.....




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From: cs@matilda.vut.edu.au (Coskun Susoy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: News
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:38:31 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Technology




   From Melbourne 3EA radio Turkish news:

   Guerrillas of the Kurdistan Workers Party ( PKK ) attacked
   Turkish Petroleum Camp at Sason and killed three workers.
   One geologist and two petroleum engineers.


   Name  'Workers Party' but killing unarmed workers!

   Coskun 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Sechrest renamed visvis?
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:25:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.200016.7148@zip.eecs.umich.edu> sechrest@z.eecs.umich.edu (Stuart Sechrest) writes:

>Thanks to Lance Visser for his continued vigilance against any denigration
>of the Turks.

But it does not show up in a census.

Source: Walker, Christopher: "Armenia: The Survival of a Nation."
        New York (St. Martin's Press), 1980.

This generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information
of direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust: 

a) Dro (the butcher), the former Dictator of the Armenian Dictatorship and
the architect of the Genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, the most 
respected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional 
Republic in Berlin during World War II; 

b) this 'provisional government' fully endorsed and espoused the social 
theories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members 
of the Aryan 'Super-Race;' 

c) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves 
with the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and, 

d) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side 
by side with the Wehrmacht.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)