HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:59:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.154253.12818@bcrka451.bnr.ca> bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep10.135955.11748@tfs.com>, ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>> >ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>> >>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>> >>>It's been my experience that when there's one man with a group of women,
>> >>> the man gets ignored entirely.
>
>I've seen this too.  *I* think one of the reasons is that men tend to be more
>abrasive/rough sexually than women.  It seems that when women are in a group,
>they enjoy the gentler/softer sex that can be offered by women.

Whoa, whoa!  Stop right there, while we are on the subject of offensive
generalizations.  I've seen this happen too, in cases where gentleness
was certainly not the issue.  And, as I have pointed out, it's also the
case for men (although you can make the opposite argument that men enjoy
the less gentle sex that can be offered by men, but I don't buy that either).
--scott
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: trainspotting (no longer)
Date: 9 Sep 92 09:31:00 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd) writes:
>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>[in the ongoing tease-Joe-before-he-gets-near-the-hot-tub fest]

  So I wasn't just being paranoid! It's a conspiracy! 8->

>|> You know Joe, it occurs to me that you might want to bring another
>|> man along for this get together.
>
>In which case, I *gladly* volunteer to help Joe out in this regard
                  ^^^^^^^^

   ...just how much *did* they tell you about me, Mike? 8->
Not that I object to a reputation preceding me, not at all! In fact, I've
just today been told about *another* party (in the East Coast) that might
be organised around our visit...I am going to need a vacation from my
vacation at this rate!


>... oh, you weren't serious about him being ignored?
>Well, never mind; it might do as an excuse  *grin*

   It certainly does! 8->

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:52:53 GMT

[Nick writes:]
>>In fact, all my current personality 
>>defects, from my tendency to act the clown through to my persistent 
>>homophobia,
>>stem from my fear of rejection. Coupled with that, I've spent the past year 
>>punishing myself for being a man. 
>>My different-sex attraction is sleazy; I am 
>>violent and boorish; lesbians are Uebermenschen, etc etc. 

You know, I've felt like that sometimes.  But being a woman, I'm afraid that
my same-sex attraction is "boorish" "objectifying women" - I worry that
if I tell a woman I'm interested, I'm just adding another sexual annoyance
to her life.  But some of this is, I think, my own version of internalized
homophobia.

[Sara writes:]
>Fear of rejection is something that anyone, bi, gay or straight has to
>put up with.  Why should it be any worse for you than the rest of us? 
>You're preaching to the converted here mate; no one here is rejecting
>you for being a bi man.
>
Yep.  Double-yep.



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Guardian Norwich article
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 07:46:56 EDT

J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley) writes:
> 
> I wonder if I should tell her I'm really gay not bi, it sounds like she could
> accept that much more easily. The only problem is it's not actually true.
> 


Jon, it sounds to me as if you've made great progress already.  To 
confuse things with a lie would just make it worse in the long run.  Give 
your mother time to adjust.  It sounds as if she's getting there.

Namaste,
Elizabeth

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: cjohnson@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber)
Subject: Re: hot tubs in the snow (was Re: whatever . . .)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 02:09:52 GMT
Organization: Cow Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA

muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) said...
>Sara (Swamp Thing, apparently partial to sunny swamps) said...

>> Britain???  Good grief, where are we going to get hot tubs around here? 
>> I can assure you that all the much discussed hot tub activity took place
>> in California, where the weather is rather more clement.
>
>True.  However, hot tubs are actually at their best in ice, snow, dismal
>rain, cold, fog, and all those less-clement weather features.  It's
>really fun to step out of the hot tub into freezing air and make little
>curls of steam in the air, not minding being naked in the snow because
>your body has absorbed so much heat.  It's also fun being rained on
>while sitting in the hot tub, with little cold splats on hot skin.  

I was thrilled about moving here because this part of the state actually
_gets_ rain... now, the idea of enjoying that rain while sitting in my
hot tub... wow!  The most cozy feeling comes when you're warm and comfy
and the rest of the world seems cold and dismal :^)
So, Muffy, wanna come enjoy the rain in the hot tub?

-Coe
-- 
cjohnson@nyx.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: TV-TS Newsgroup?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 05:47:13 GMT

 elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

[soc.gender-issues]

>No, it's bogus.  It was never voted on under the standard Usenet guidelines,
>and never newgrouped at the vast majority of sites.  You can always look
>at "List of Active Newsgroups" in news.announce.newusers if you won't take
>my word for it.  (I'm willing to bet that sites carrying bogus soc.* groups
>are also carrying talk.bizarre.rabbit and misc.sheep...)

It exists at nyx, while the two latter groups you cite do not, but there was
only one posting. Of course, nyx is anarchic and gets *every* new group... but
there are definitely some groups which trigger the "Bogus Newsgroup - checking
your .newsrc - hang on a second" message, and some which do not.

Some newsgroups are more bogus than others. I'm not suggesting for a minute,
though, that soc.gender-issues is a sensible place to discuss TS/TV matters:
far better a duly created, well-propagated forum like our lovely soc.bi

>Testy?  I'm not going to apologize for stating a fact.  Would you prefer
>"maybe, perhaps, it's just a wee tiny bit bogus" ?

Lovely. Could we, perhaps, have a smile with that?

Tanaqui, playing with fire

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert)
Subject: Re: Guardian Norwich article
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:17:02 GMT

In article <18317@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>I've just read the Guardian's article on Norwich. 

Could someone please post the entire article, for the benefit of those
who were in Norwich and not in the UK, and of course for all others.
Has the Sunday Express already printed their article? (and of course,
the same request applies here too)
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/   It'sneveragoodideatoarriveinthepastwithyourpantsaroundyourknees -Sam
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jepler@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff)
Subject: Re: A nagging question
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 01:11:13 GMT

(Can someone who also uses Nyx tell me how to make a .SIG file?  I actually
usually use an account elsewhere, and I'd like to tell people that.  For now,
though, you can just treat me as a de-muffin and mob me.  My other address
is bx304@cleveland.freenet.edu)


(Roy S Rapoport says:)
>[Much self-questioning]
>I don't want to be straight.  I really don't.

First of all, I still 'doubt' my bisexuality, since I haven't "done" it
with either sex.  But I use the label anyways, because it gets me all 
these friends and is a good (not perfect, god no) way of describing
one aspect of who I am.

However, I have felt love (Resisting the impulse to put quotes around many
words, those things that are quite subjective) for both males and females.
(Should I use the name "biamourous" for it?  No, because in my mind the
emotional relationship is the important part, but that seems to be an
important thing to other bisexuals.)

Roy's questioning featured talk about what some might call love (It's the
word I'd probably choose..) for people of both sexes.  Then, he talks about
the fact that the loves feel different.  (This *seems* to be the prime
reason behind doubting the bisexual label. "The loves are different, one
of them must be wrong")

(Flame me, I'm about to use caps.)
EVERY LOVE FEELS DIFFERENT.  ALL PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT.  DIFFERENT IS GOOD.
IF TWO DIFFERENT FEELINGS BOTH SEEM LIKE LOVE TO YOU THEN USE THE WORD.
I DON'T FEEL THE SAME LOVE FOR EVERY WOMAN I'VE EVER LOVED.  (Whew, enough
of the caps.) That doesn't mean that only one of the loves is a real love.
The loves I've felt for men and women are different.  This doesn't make
love of one gender less a love -- or not a love.

Gad, I hope I've made sense.  My fever probably hasn't helped matters.
Say, since my first demuffining featured pleas for people to care for my
sunburn, can I now plead for someone with a good (in)bedside manner to c
come care for me?  Please?!?!?

--
If you want to reply to me in mail, use bx304@cleveland.freenet.edu
I check this account, but not as often.


>
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Roy S. Rapoport       rsr@soda.berkeley.edu      wi.5836@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
>Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
>              would NEVER say something like that!!"
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:55:16 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

In article <25632@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
:gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
:
:>In article <25613@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
:
:>:gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
:
:>:>Oh Ghod! Sara and I crack the same jokes! This is the beginning of
:>:>the end... 
:
:>:Au contraire, tis the end of the beginning.
:
:>Hmmm... so what happens in the middle?
:
:I do, bi the looks of the attributions.

If only I had a clone.  Hmmmm.

G
--
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:59:02 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
>Tanaqui writes:
>>I hope commercial 'planes count: or I must retract my claim.
> 
> Dare I ask where there is room and opportunity on commercial flights?
> I once attempted it in the bathroom, but found it a bit too cramped for
> comfort.

<grin> I almost posted this, but decided against it. Okay, here is the gen:
it was on a flight for which my mother paid, since I was still at school. The
booking people were quite happy to let me pick a window seat at the rear of
the 'plane, although there wasn't a responsible adult in that area of the 'plane
to look after me |-) And I will say no more, except that the bathroom was teeny
& I wouldn't have liked to have tried it there...

It would be fairly easy on small domestic shuttle flights, I would imagine -
but they don't, I believe, go a mile high.

Tanaqui
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Colin's Beard
Date: 5 Sep 92 11:32:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



[Colin Dente writes:]
> +----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
> |Plans may be afoot to make a move up north    |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
> |But it may be in Perth.... damn!!             |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
> +----------------------------------------------+----------------------+
>Yikes!  Perth?!  Isn't that inside the arctic circle?  (brrrr...)



I love this time of year. The colder the better for me. (but it 
*must* be dry!)

[An autumnal snaphot]

The weather is one of the things I love most about this time
of year. The long walks in the parks, wearing chunky shoes, a thick
sweater and a pair of stout but baggy trousers. 
Drinking tea from a flask whilst we feed the ducks with yesterday's bread.
The long, intense conversationas about love and the Aristotlean ideal
discussed in the Symposium. The quick, almost furtive kisses. The
steam rising from the backs of horses as they gallop in the fields, 
kicking freshly fallen leaves up off the path in a shower of golden light. 
The birdsong of those that are left behind for the Winter, (the Blackbird,
the Mistle Thrush). A glimpse of a Fox as it rushes out of sight into
bushes to peer at us in safety as we pass. Feeding Deer with tasty
tidbits from just over the fence.

Like a true Englishman, I'm at my best with frost-reddened cheeks and
someone warm to snuggle next to on a cold Autumn or Winter's day.

Clive - amazingly relaxed after his latest outburst.

+-------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
|"Don't confuse me with the facts,  I've already  |cliveg@compulink.co.uk|
| made up my mind" - Local Tory gov't councellor  |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
+-------------------------------------------------+----------------------+
From: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:38:17 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic) writes:
>In context [from altercation with Sara], the woman has the man in
>a relationship up to some point and THEN things become conditional,
>is the scenario I am attacking.

But Eric, EVERYTHING is conditional.  Since when did Sara owe you
any more attention than she gave?  If someone behaves like an
asshole towards me, I'll withdraw my affection.  Why shouldn't I?
I don't owe anyone unconditional, doormat-like behaviour.

My God, I'm not about to start my first ever soc.bi kill file, am I?

Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd                         | B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k(+) s m- e? 
Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and     | "The Trouble with Normal is it
owner of a one-track mind:         |  Always Gets Worse" - Bruce Cockburn
   "thesis .. thesis .. thesis"    |    (-:   F**k Your Gender!  :-)
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Norwich
Date: 7 Sep 92 17:35:16 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <memo.610728@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
(Clive Grace) writes:

>[Owen "opinionated and quite lovely with it" Smith writes:]

Moi? Opinionated? Whatever gave you that idea? :-) :-)

>having *never* asked Owen to show me those oh-so 
>talked about freckles just ten minutes after meeting him for the first 
>time.

I forgot to point out where my birth mark used to be on my arm. It faded in
my early teens. Its grave is marked by a large freckle. It is left as an
exercise for the reader to work out which freckle.

Owen.
From: mlloyd@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Lloyd)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Books to read
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:48:39 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <WGT.92Sep14094253@fog.cs.odu.edu> wgt@fog.cs.odu.edu (Warren T.) writes:
>Well... just thought I'd say hello to everybody.... "HI!!!!!" and let
>people know that I exist.  

Hah - a blatant request for e-hugs (assuming you've been reading long enough
to know that's the terrible fate of all "muffins", as we know them).

So stand by ...

*HUG*
*HUG*HUG*
****HUG****

Glad t'meet ya.  Hope y'like it here.

Mike
-- 
Mike Lloyd                         | B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k(+) s m- e? 
Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and     | "The Trouble with Normal is it
owner of a one-track mind:         |  Always Gets Worse" - Bruce Cockburn
   "thesis .. thesis .. thesis"    |    (-:   F**k Your Gender!  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Organization: TFS
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:04:58 GMT

kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
>pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>>It's been my experience that when there's one man with a group of women,
>> the man gets ignored entirely.
>
>True enough, but it tends to be the same way when there is one woman with
>a group of men.  I don't know if this is typical.
>
>...
>--scott

I may have needlessly bashed Ellen, remains to be seen.
The grouping thing for women at least is cohesive behavior (Tannen et. al.)
The exclusion thing is the female variant of pyramiding (pecking order).
If it's one of one kind vs. numbers of the other, it's difficult to
integrate them, the singleton has to adopt the group's behavioral mode.
-ecsd
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Access...Gah!, probably a 30cps newsfeed
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:26:26 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

Just checking the group from another machine with a better newsfeed but
slower access, and I find this damn machine is at least one whole day behind
the world. 

Anyone out there got experience at bringing up news on a Sun? I'm having
trouble with a capital F.

Moral: don't try to edit minutes of a three-day board meeting and read news
at the same time.

///Peter, window-hopping :-)

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 23:21:10 GMT

sr09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SIMON NICHOLAS RUSSELL) writes:

>>And please remember your unbowdlerised texts of John Wilmot's
>>works - we will be covering the morality of frigging in the pastoral with
>>reference to Fair Cloris, as well as the darker poems such as the Disabled
>>Debauchee. A Ramble in St. James' Park and Signior Dildo are required reading.

>        This Signior is sound, safe, ready, and Dumb,
>        As ever was Candle, Carret, or Thumb:
>        Then away with these nasty devices, and Show
>        How you rate the just merits of Signior Dildo.

>My dear, I never go anywhere without my unbowdlerised Rochester!

I fear that Rochester's shade will be ill at ease on seeing him cited
in this newsgroup.  Remember "Love a woman?  You're an ass!..."?
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: trainspotting (no longer)
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:52:34 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) wrote...
>>"Firefighters called in to rescue an Australian man found bound & naked
>>on a hot tub deck".
>> [and other previous stuff about being summarily ravished...]

   "Summarily ravished"? Um, that has an awfully *final* sound to it...


>You know Joe, it occurs to me that you might want to bring another
>man along for this get together.

   Hey! My budget won't stretch that far! I think I'm doing well to be
bringing a woman from Australia and another from NY! 8->

   But yeah, if there are any native Bay Area sorts you can recommend...


>It's been my experience that when
>there's one man with a group of women, the man gets ignored entirely.

   Coe & I already discussed this...I'll just give a running commentary
or something, and if I'm shushed & chased away...well, how's your book
collection?


>(Or wasn't I supposed to mention that? ... ;-) )

   Heh heh heh, all this presupposes I've been untied in the first place!

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid)
Subject: Re: Dialects
Organization: Eris's Restaurant
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:01:42 GMT

In article <Bu13xy.EJC@ibmpcug.co.uk> gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>In article <18293@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>>Learn to speak German. Yorkshire vowel sounds are just what you need for a
>>good German accent. (They're a real pain when trying to speak French
>>though!)

>Geordie vowels are just right for Dutch.  Interestingly enough though
>I've never met a Dutch-speaking Geordie to confirm this.

Easy enough, I think: my father, born in North Holland in 1926, migrated
here in the early 50s to marry my mother.  He's lived here (just outside
York) ever since.  He speaks English very well, but on several occasions
people have asked him about his place of origin, usually guessing (before
he tells them that he's an alien) that he's a Geordie.  Personally, I
can't hear it; but it has happened often enough for there to be some
significance, I think.

				Kay

-- 
6'2", dark short hair, blue eyes, bisexual and horny as ....
Kay Dekker, Dept of Industrial Design, Coventry University, Coventry UK
37 Old Winnings Road, Keresley Village, Coventry   |B0 f t+ g++ k++! s+ e r p!
Phone: +44 203 838668 (work) +44 203 337865 (home) |Deflowerer-of-innocents
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Guardian Norwich article
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 07:55:06 EDT

> to like the Vegetarian pizza at Oasis and 2) why in this modern "liberated"
> age do people feel any need to make nasty comments about vegetarians? I'm
> cynical about vegans (eating a diet that is nutrionally deficient without
> taking supplemental tablets strikes me as just plain daft) but if they want
> to live that way then fine.

...I see what you mean but aren't you just moving the limits of what you 
accept, rather than accepting other people's choices?  Any vegans I have 
known seem quite happy and healthy as such; and why assume they don't 
take tablets? Or why believe they should, when you disbelieve other forms 
of establishment propaganda? (I'm deliberately using provocative words 
here!)

I'm a vegetarian with vegan sympathies.  Haven't been hassled much, 
thankfully, though there have been some problems - with my parents, for 
example.

Gad.  Eating habits bring out as much conformity in people as sexual 
orientation biases.

> 
> I was happy being politically apathetic, so do I really have to go through a
> politically aware and vocal phase just to earn what should be a right,
> namely the right to exist?
> 
> Owen.


No.  Just don't let it get to you.  Let them talk; ignore it.

Namaste,
Elizabeth

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: whatever . . .
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:13:50 GMT

In article <iw.716170611@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
>Of course being the gentler
>sex we never wrestle with each other or pin each other down.
>We never fuck each other till our brains spill on the floor, with fists,
>dildos, even bigger dildos or what ever else comes to hand.  

Shhh!  Shhh!  Don't let the straights know, or else they'll be wanting
some too.
--scott