From: tsh@lesti.hut.fi (Timo Hyv|nen)
Subject: Re: Is sachz male or female ?
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:29:46 GMT

In <1992Aug20.143643.17954@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> andrewb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bucknell) writes:

>Well. Sachz seems to think this file is a 'classic'. But then sachz has 
>a weird sense of humor. Judge for yourself. I am posting this at 
>his request cause he seems to think you will all get a kick out of it.

>Basically what happened here is I got suckered in to beliveing Mr Sachz
>was a girl. I hope you all find it as amusing as sachz and freddie and
>various others have :)


>Btw.. Magen is me (the poster) and everyone else is who they are.

>Magen 'Classic' Logs (two files combined):

>file: magen.she

><Nicxjo> hodeho, mag :)
>*** Action: sachz cant wait to show gold fm what he thinks about it RSN
><Melz> sachz: what u been smoking?
><Nicxjo> they were better on RRR, he says inevitably :)
><Magen> wow sachz you get fired up over minor things mate
><sachz> its called melz4chet-weed :)
><Freddie> magen: all the good shit music are the 60s and 70s (not disco thou) :)
><sachz> magen: wow. u get fired up over thinking ppl get fired up *ROFL!!!!!!!!*
><Melz> it might kill u then sachz :)
>*** Action: Magen watches sachz get slapped in the head
><Nicxjo> gold fm never plays disco
>*** Action: Freddie watches SAchz as Melz kills her
><sachz> melz, i put the weed after chets name, not urs :)
><Freddie> nic: know this song now? :-)
>*** Action: sachz watches freddie as melz kills me.
><Nicxjo> in fact, very little 70s on gold fm
><Magen> hang on..
><Melz> sachz: and we just smoke cigarettes.... in cast amounts
><Magen> sachz is a she ??????
><Nicxjo> this is a rare exception, fred :)
><Melz> sachz: I said IT might kill u not I would :)
>*** Action: sachz rofl's at magen.
><Nicxjo> and NO HENDRIX!
><Freddie> magen: yeah... didnt you know? :-)
><Magen> seriously ?
><Freddie> Hendrix rules
><sachz> magen. well, i aint another fucken spewbabe am I :)
><Nicxjo> fred: i think i'm in love :)
><Freddie> nic: with who? :-)
><Nicxjo> shouldn't fall for people over their musical tastes that often :)
>*** Action: sachz wonders if these newbies know what we're talking about
><Magen> My god !
>*Freddie* magen asking if your a girl... play along <Tue Jul  7 03:55>
><sachz> stop msg'ing magen, to find out ;)
><Nicxjo> You rang?
>*** Action: Magen 's mouth falls open
>-> *freddie* i thought so
>*** Action: Magen is stunned
>*** Action: sachz wonders when she and melz will go out next.
><Freddie> magen: why?
><Nicxjo> shut yer mouth, mag, t'flies'll fly in
><sachz> whats up budd.
><Magen> sachz is a girl ???
>-> *melz* play along
><Melz> sachz: she who?
><Freddie> sachz is a girl... big deal
><Nicxjo> sachz is ascii :)
><sachz> big deal!
><Melz> oh u sachz :)
><Magen> wow..
><sachz> magen, sacha is a female name. didnt u know.
><Magen> I always thought sachz was a guy..
><Freddie> magen: nope
><sachz> i know it can be male or female or even ur dogs name, but heck.. 
> i know what i am.
><Magen> wow
><sachz> why did u ASSUME sachz was a guy
>-> *freddie* i am loggig this!@
><sachz> wonders of irc.
><Magen> Cause you were loud and obnoxious.. just like a guy ;-)
><Melz> sachz: they assume ppl whose names end with a z r male for sone reason
><Magen> hahahahahahahahaha :)
>*Freddie* tell me if he tries to chat you up... IE days again :-) <Tue Jul  7 03:57>
><sachz> magen, you mean YOU were loud and obnoxious!!
>-> *freddie* bahaha. i'll send u the log.
><Melz> magen: that might be why ppl think vikz and I r male too then :)
><sachz> ....:)
><Nicxjo> i'm not saying ANYTHING at this juncture :)
>> nico: wize move.
><Magen> I knew melz and vikz were female
>-> *freddie* dont forget to set nico straight btw.
><Melz> how?
><Magen> I just knew.
><Freddie> magen: sachz is female.....
><sachz> <-- thought vikz was a GUY too.
>*** Action: Magen shakes his head..
><sachz> i was glad to hear she was one of us.
><Magen> haha
><Magen> later guys !
>-> *freddie* i am gonna piss my pants !!!
>*** Magen has left channel #aussies
><Nicxjo> victoria college, fred?
><Melz> sachz: u shouldn't a been trying to sleaze on her then :)
><sachz> going so soon magen?
>*** Action: sachz pisses '... pants..
><Freddie> nic: yep... or deakin uni now
><Nicxjo> ack.
><Nicxjo> hey joe
><sachz> sorry.
>Channel    Nickname  S   User@Host (Name)
>#aussies   Nicxjo    H   nsn@munagin.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas)
>#aussies   Mark      G@  mark@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (!id Jennifer's Mark)
>#aussies   sachz     G   shopov@magpie.cs.su.OZ.AU (DILLWRGAFAWT)
>#aussies   Melz      H*@ Melz@win3.vut.edu.au (Sugar Mice with Licorice Tails)
>#aussies   Freddie   H@  jasoncc@admin.viccol.edu.au (<---->)
>#aussies   Bleve     G@  carl@munagin.ee.mu.OZ.AU (I'm too sexy for your hamster)
>#aussies   Insomniak G   Sidewindr@atom.ansto.gov.au (The RAVER who never sleeps)
><Freddie> sachz: tsk tsk
>-> *freddie* what now *ROFL!!!*
><Nicxjo> whatcha doing with that gun in your hand
>*Freddie* *Magen* sachz is really a girl ? wow...  <Tue Jul  7 03:59>
><Nicxjo> going down to shoot my old lady
>-> *freddie* poor magen. should we tell him or just wait.WAIT me thinks!! 
><Nicxjo> caught her messing round with another man
>*** minnie.cs.su.oz.au : Tuesday July 7 1992 -- 04:00 EST
>-> *freddie* keep talking to him and sending it to me ;)
>*Freddie* definately wait :-) <Tue Jul  7 04:00>
><Nicxjo> stuff of tragedy, that song!
><Freddie> nic: yep
><Melz> yeah so is Bohemian Rhapsody
>*Freddie* *Magen* I had no idea.. I had never done a finger or whois <Tue Jul  7 04:00>
><Freddie> shit... its pissing down here at Box Hill :-(
><Nicxjo> a very different style of tragedy, but yeah
>-> *freddie* hehehee. finger doesnt show much. OH SHIT!! let me disable it.
><Nicxjo> not a drop here in Cheltenham...
><Nicxjo> lemme check
><Melz> freddie: it took 2 hours to reach u from here then
><Melz> here= Laverton
><Freddie> melz: where do you live?
><Nicxjo> nix
><Nicxjo> 4am
>-> *freddie* i think its clean :)
><Nicxjo> when a man loves a woman
><Nicxjo> how... het :)
><Freddie> nic: hee hee its good shit
>*Freddie* *Magen* I dunno.. I suppose her attitude was like a guys.. <Tue Jul  7 04:01>
><Nicxjo> not music to play while on #gblf :)
><Freddie> Nic: hee hee
><Nicxjo> barnsie ruined this song
><Nicxjo> barnsey and joe cocker:
><Nicxjo> everything they touch turns to shyte :(
>*Freddie* -> *magen* you cant tell if someone is male of female by their behaviour <Tue Jul  7 04:03>
>*Freddie* +dude.... trust me... ive known sachz for yrs on irc <Tue Jul  7 04:03>
>*Freddie* *Magen* I am finding that out.. I believe you.. I am just amazed :)  <Tue Jul  7 04:03>
>*** Magen has joined channel #aussies
><Magen> reya again !!
><Magen> *boing*
><Magen> is sachz still speaking to me ?
><Freddie> nic: Im just sick of all the other stations playing the same song over and over again... and its a nice change on gold
><Melz> magen: wassup with u tonight??? u got nothing better to do than join and part channels?
><Freddie> magen: re
><Nicxjo> mag: say "barnsey sux" for me
><Magen> Melz : well, I am talking on another
>*** Action: sachz is here and there.
><Nicxjo> uh, fred... gold is pretty repetative too
><Magen> and when that person leaves, I come over here
><Nicxjo> and damn cheap
><Magen> to harass sachz and freddie
>-> *freddie* now follows the "chat her up" sequence? :)
><Melz> sachz: u lie :) u r always here :)
>-> *melz* DONT BLOW IT OK!! magen is CONVINCED i am female.
><Nicxjo> but it keeps repeating good shit :)
><sachz> no more stooges, magen? :)
>*Melz* that did not mention your sex :)  I won't :) <Tue Jul  7 04:05>
>*Freddie* -> *magen* so you gonna treat sachz differently now that you know hes a guy? <Tue Jul  7 04:05>
><Magen> Not now :)
><Magen> I am still in shock here !! hahahahahaha
><Magen> later !
>*** Magen has left channel #aussies
><Nicxjo> ok man
><Nicxjo> i'm turning in too
><Nicxjo> oh fuck
><Nicxjo> billy joel
>*Freddie* hes not believing it <Tue Jul  7 04:07>
>-> *freddie* keh? a guy or a girl. u said guy
><Nicxjo> like, this is REAL rock and roll :)
>*Freddie* and then I said girl <Tue Jul  7 04:07>
><Freddie> its still rock and roll to me
><Melz> what song?
><Freddie> whats the matter witht he car I drive...;
>-> *freddie* think u fuk'd up. :-|
><Melz> cool :)
>*** dildo has joined channel #aussies
>*** dildo is now known as BlackSoap
><BlackSoap> Hi.
><Nicxjo> *shakes head* the michael jackson of the 70s :)
>*Freddie* *Magen* I believe sachz is female  <Tue Jul  7 04:08>
>*Freddie* *Magen* I think..  <Tue Jul  7 04:08>
><Nicxjo> right, i'm outta here
><Freddie> nic: ok... stay cool
><Nicxjo> nice to meet up with y'all
><Nicxjo> bye!
>*** Signoff: Nicxjo (Leaving)
>-> *freddie* tee-hee.
><Freddie> set me free why dont you babe... 
>*Freddie* *Magen* have you ever met sachz ? <Tue Jul  7 04:10>
>*Freddie* -> *magen* seen her photo   <Tue Jul  7 04:10>
>*Freddie* *Magen* ok then now I believe.. <Tue Jul  7 04:10>
>*Freddie* *Magen* Is she cute ?? *wink* hahaha :) <Tue Jul  7 04:10>
>*Freddie* #ROLF# <Tue Jul  7 04:10>
>*Freddie* got a giff of a female on coombs and rename it to yourself? <Tue Jul  7 04:11>
>*Freddie* -> *magen* let me put it this way (and I did not say this)... I wouldnt say no to her #rolf# <Tue Jul  7 04:11>
>-> *freddie* umm hang on.
>*Freddie* its mostly up to you now <Tue Jul  7 04:12>
>-> *freddie* umm. has he seen the coombs gifs yet? we got new ones in 2 days ago. i could set it up.
>*** Magen has joined channel #aussies
>*** Signoff: BlackSoap (BlackSoap)
>*** Action: Magen looks at sachz and shakes his head
>*** Magen has left channel #aussies
>*** Action: Freddie laughs
>*** Action: sachz looks at magen and shakes her head.
><Melz> hehehe :)
><sachz> eek!!!
>*** Action: sachz grins.
><Freddie> sachz: plant a gif
><Melz> sachz: plant a gif of dani :)
><Freddie> sachz: yeah do it
>*** Magen has joined channel #aussies
>*Freddie* -> *magen* and if you ver tell sachz that I said she was cute... I'll kill ya <Tue Jul  7 04:14>
>*** Action: Magen laughs at sachz
><Freddie> re magen
>*** Magen has left channel #aussies
><Freddie> poor chap is in love
>-> *freddie* ok. dcc him this!
><Melz> oh what fun we have at 4am... NOT
>-> *freddie* keep him on the line.
><Melz> with himself???? :)
><sachz> HUSH!
>*Freddie* send it to me <Tue Jul  7 04:15>
><sachz> dont make fun. use /smg pls.
><Freddie> nod
><Melz> my good firend sachz: use /msg might get u further :)
>*Freddie* dcc the gif to me so that I can dcc it to him <Tue Jul  7 04:16>
>-> *freddie* oh shit. hang on. it says RACHEL in the gif :(
>-> *freddie* tell him u looking for it!
>*Freddie* fark <Tue Jul  7 04:16>
><sachz> brb.
>*** jha has joined channel #aussies
>-> *freddie* ok. here's what we can do
>*** jha has left channel #aussies
>*Freddie* wot? <Tue Jul  7 04:19>
>-> *freddie* i can rename either a pic of a "cat" and when he sees it he'll 
> realise its over :-) or o/w i have leanne.gif which i cant see much of.
>-> *freddie* 3rd is to go to a babes-gif ftp site ...
>-> *freddie* will he view it today and will we get a comment back b4 we leave 
> today.
><sachz> I said use /smg melz, not /msg :)
><Melz> huh?
>*Freddie* jesus man... dont go for babes on ftp sites... we want some nerddy 
> looking babes not Elle Mcphersons :-) <Tue Jul  7 04:20>
>*Freddie* I reckon Leanne gif... hes never met leanne b4 <Tue Jul  7 04:20>
>-> *freddie* u want nerdie gifs? got lots of those from europe!!! *ROFL*
>*Freddie* yeah... grap one of those... not princes thou *rolf* <Tue Jul 7 04:21>
>-> *freddie* btw, the ones i've met in sydney are NOT nerdie.
>*Freddie* ok ok... <Tue Jul  7 04:21>
>-> *freddie* i would opt for leanne :-) she's cool, and he can chat her up in 
> RL later on *rofl*
>*Freddie* yep.. go for it.. although I hope he hasnt seen it b4 :-/ <Tue Jul  7 04:21>
>-> *freddie* are u sure he doesnt know who leanne is? got any way to find out?
>-> *freddie* ok! on second thoughts, for security sakes, let me get a 
> XXXXXXXer with glases :) hang on.
>*Freddie* he said he has never met her... I dont know if he has d/l the gif on 
> coombs thou :-/ <Tue Jul  7 04:22>
>-> *freddie* oh fuk. no, not a XXXXXXXer, someone else in europe tho.
>-> *freddie* i forgot i was logging this. i'll edit the last 3 lines :)
><Melz> well pplz I am outta here for some sleep I think... I am bored here :)
>> melz, u are a wimp! stay for the fun.
><Melz> sachz: what fun?
>-> *freddie* FOUND IT!! ok. gonna dcc in a min.
><sachz> melz, just sit tight.
><Melz> sachz: i am freezing to death and tired, u had better not be wasting 
> my time!
><Freddie> melz: going to bed b4 the sun rises... tsk tsk
>-> *freddie* i'm not gonna name it sachz.gif cause i DONT want it to get out 
> - by mistake. :-)
>*Freddie* you gonna put it on coombs? <Tue Jul  7 04:25>
><Melz> freddie: its a sin isn't it.... esp when I have only been out of bed 
> since 7pm
><sachz> melz, nick orf then. :-) go to bed. speak to u in the morning 
> [careful what 'e says]
>*** Sent DCC SEND request to freddie
>-> *freddie* dcc it
><Melz> arguing with chet tires me
>*** DCC SEND connection to freddie established
>*** DCC SEND/secret.gif to freddie completed
><Freddie> melz: slug :-q
>*** Action: sachz bleahs.
><Melz> sachz: sure thing... remember if u talk to gorbs to keep ya hands off him
> :) hehehe :)  and to write me some mail :)
><Melz> hmmm... if only I could go have a smoke, then I would last awake for 
> another 20 hours... 
><sachz> melz. enuff with it. just go :)
><Freddie> shit
><Freddie> he logged off
><Melz> sachz: what tiem u be on in the morning??
>-> *freddie* what?
>*** Magen is cruz@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Could be Anyone!)
>*** on channels: @#magen 
>*** on irc via server munagin.ee.mu.OZ.AU ([mullian.ee.mu.oz.au] University of Melbourne, Aus)
><Melz> who>
><sachz> he is on still
><Freddie> ok
><sachz> mel. probably not till after dinner :)
><sachz> cmon fred. i gotta go to bed :)
><Melz> good.. that is the mornign I like :)
><Freddie> wot? hes off again
>-> *freddie* can u keep the log that i miss as i go to bed
><sachz> i should go guys.
>*** Signoff: Melz (sleep time, back at about 10:30pm tonight I guess... 
> depending on who calls me :))
>*** Signoff by melz detected
>Channel    Nickname  S   User@Host (Name)
>#aussies   Mark      G@  mark@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (!id Jennifer's Mark)
>#aussies   sachz     G   shopov@magpie.cs.su.OZ.AU (DILLWRGAFAWT)
>#aussies   Freddie   H@  jasoncc@admin.viccol.edu.au (<---->)
>#aussies   Bleve     G@  carl@munagin.ee.mu.OZ.AU (I'm too sexy for your hamster)
>#aussies   Insomniak G   Sidewindr@atom.ansto.gov.au (The RAVER who never sleeps)
><sachz> fred, i just realised, bleve and insominak and mark are in here. 
> oh shit. they'll dob. *better not guys*
><sachz> fred. i gotta go!!!!
><Freddie> how the fuck do you start a log
>*** minnie.cs.su.oz.au : Tuesday July 7 1992 -- 04:30 EST
><sachz>  /set logfile bleah
><sachz>  /set log on
><sachz> u sure u been on irc for 2+ years? :) *smirk*
><Freddie> hee hee
>*Freddie* he said tomorrow... :-/ <Tue Jul  7 04:32>
><sachz> okay. i must go. later okay
><Freddie> night sachz
><Freddie> and dont dop guys
>IRC Log ended *** Tue  Jul  7 04:33



>file: magen.she2

>*** Magen has joined channel #aussies
><Magen> heya all :)
><Magen> heya anyone ??
><Magen> hmm
><Magen> *grabs a handy cattle prod*
><Magen> *prods sachz*
><Magen> *bzzzzt*
>*tulip* hmm how come you always have far away "aways" up? :) <Wed Jul  8 18:56>
>*** Magen has left channel #aussies
>*** lethal has joined channel #ozzies
><lethal:#ozzies> Howdy, sachz?
><lethal:#ozzies> How do u do, Morkeleb?
><lethal:#ozzies> Sleeping as yet?
>*** titus has joined channel #aussies
>*** lethal has left channel #ozzies
>*** munagin.ee.mu.OZ.AU : Wednesday July 8 1992 -- 19:00 +10:00
><titus> urro
><Andypoo> lo titus
><titus> how ya doing andy
><Andypoo> I'm cool, you going to the party?
><titus> i'm afraid not...
><titus> i am leaving for skiing that nite at 11:30pm
><titus> and i have to go to a 21st partee at 7pm
><Andypoo> lucky prick
>*** Darkstar has joined channel #aussies
><titus> yeah.. i am lucky that i am going.. but i am also broke now that i am
><titus> hi darkstar
><Darkstar> hey..
><Darkstar>      
>*** Darkstar has left channel #aussies
>*** Magen has joined channel #aussies
><Magen> hola :)
><titus> hieeeeeeeee
><Magen> Buenos Dias
><Magen> hi titus
><titus> huh
><titus> wassup
><Magen> Someones awake !
><Magen> wow :)
><titus> sorta
><titus> yeah
>*** Action: Magen puts a bomb under sachz
>*** Action: Magen takes cover
><Magen> *kaboom*
>*** Action: titus kicks sacha to wake him
>*** Action: Magen watches sachz sail off
><titus> u mean fly off
><Magen> titus : is sachz a he ?
><titus> yes
><Magen> really ?
><titus> yes
><Magen> you sure
><titus> very "he" indeed ;)
><titus> of course i am sure.. known the bloke for about 3 yrs
><Magen> I am gonna kill freddie and sachz
><Magen> later
>*** Magen has left channel #aussies
><titus> hmmm
><titus> did i let the cat out or sunfin
><titus> sumfin
><titus> u know anything abt this andy?
><titus> hmmm
><titus> anyone here?
><titus> blaHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>*Magen* you are a dead man <Wed Jul  8 19:14>
>> titus!!! u let a BIG cat our of the bag!
>> titus, argh!!! how could u!
>*** Action: sachz awakes.
>-> *magen* HBAHAhahaahahahahahahahahahaahhahaahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahhahaahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
>*** You have been marked as being away
>*Magen* you son of a bitch. I am gonna kill freddie now <Wed Jul  8 19:18>
>*Magen* and then I am gonna come to sydney and kill you :) <Wed Jul  8 19:18>
>-> *magen* but freddie has seen pictures of me. did he send you a gif?
>*Magen* no.. but he kept saying you were a female ! <Wed Jul  8 19:20>
>-> *magen* u must have mis interpreted him.
>*Magen* no ! he even told me you were *cute* <Wed Jul  8 19:20>
>*Magen* hmmmm I see now <Wed Jul  8 19:21>
>*Magen* you and freddie are an item huh ? <Wed Jul  8 19:21>
>-> *magen* ofcourse. :)
>-> *magen* like laurel and hardy :) [he be hardy]
>*Magen* bastard :) you are lucky titus showed up <Wed Jul  8 19:22>
>-> *magen* titus is a bastard! :) *rofl*
>*** freddie: No such nickname
>*Magen* gee I was about to fly to sydney and ask you out too !! hehehe <Wed Jul  8 19:25>
><titus> damn lag
>*** titus has left channel #aussies



>.... and so till this day Magen continue to be reminded of this little caper.


>[ Sacha Alexander Shopov, Bachelor of Science (Basser Computer Science).      ]
>[ Senior Ugrad, Bachelor of Electrical Engineering, The University of Sydney. ]
>[ Internet: shopov@ee.su.oz.au   UUCP: ..!uunet!munnari!ee.su.oz.au!shopov    ]
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>Gee thanks sachz :)
>(of course I knew all along he was a guy ;-)

>-- 
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>*   Andrew Bucknell :			      	      |	I'm so ugly,       *
>*  int233p@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au           	      |	But that's OK,	   *
>*  andrewb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au	      	      |	'Cause so are you  *


Whaddafuck. What's the use of posting this kind of nonsense here????


How about creating few more groups:

alt.irc.logs
alt.irc.he_or_she
alt.irc.personals
and finally
alt.irc.users.americans


Thank you.


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