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From: Zdenek Wagner <WAGNER%CSEARN.BITNET@SHSU.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Summary on math hyphen
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 10:07:20 MDT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
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On my question about a hyphen in math mode I received more than 30 answers.
They overcrowded my computer so that I was not technically able to say
thank you to all personally.

The most frequent and easiest way is to use hbox{-} or LaTeX' equivalent
mbox{-} which works perfectly with NFSS. Other solutions are possible but
they require more work.

Thanks to all

                                                ,
,~~~/        /`               /     /|      /~~~
   /        /           |_/  /_/   ' |     /
  /     /~~/ /~~/ /~~/ /~~/ /\       | /| / /~~/ /~~/ /~~/ /~~/ /~~~
 /   , /  / /~~~ /  / /~~~ /  \      |/ |/ /  /_/  / /  / /~~~ /
 ~~~~  ~~~  ~~~ '  '  ~~~ '    `           ~~~  ~~/ '  '  ~~~
                              Zdenek Wagner______/
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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: utilityfonts, etc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:45:27 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In attempting to build TeX3.14, from what is supposed to be a
more or less "complete" tex distribution (TeX3.14.tar.Z from
labrea.stanford.edu), some files appear to be missing:

   ../cmfonts/mf/*.mf
   ../LaTeXfonts/mf/*.mf
   ../utilityfonts/bases/*.mf
   ../utilityfonts/black/*.mf
   ../utilityfonts/gray/*.mf
   ../utilityfonts/half/*.mf
   ../utilityfonts/logo/*.mf
   ../utilityfonts/manualfonts/*.mf
   ../utilityfonts/mfbook/*.mf
   ../utilityfonts/slant/*.mf
	
I could not seem to find these files anywhere.
If you can answer either of the following questions,
please reply via email.

1) Why aren't these files included?   
2) Where can I find a tar archive of them?

Thanks,

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: kinsellaj@ul.ie
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: DVI driver for IBM 4072 (ExecJet) Printer
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:11:30 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

From:kinsella@mathds1.maths.ul.ie 
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex 
Subject: DVI driver for IBM 4072 (ExecJet) 
Sender:John A. Kinsella Reply-To:
Organization:Mathematics Dept., University of Limerick, Ireland 
Keywords:driver,DVI, ExecJet 

I recently acquired an IBM 4072 (ExecJet) ink jet printer. I use the Emtex
distribution with the dvips program to produce PostScript output. If possible,
I would like to be able to print drafts on the 4072. I know that dvilj is
available but I understand 

The 4072 does emulate IBM 4208 and 5202 printers together with the EPSON
LQ-1050. I understand that dvidot and related programs might solve my problem
but they seem to require additional fonts which I do not know how to generate.
Any suggestions. 

If convenient, please reply to kinsella@mathds1.maths.ul.ie or to this
newsgroup. 

Thanks.
From: wagner@bodie.cs.unc.edu (Michael Wagner)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Installing EmTeX,  NEC P2200 Printer
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:31:30 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

I am thinking of putting emtex on my 286 at home.
I have read the file readme.eng.  In the first
section it announces that there is dvidrv support
for the NEC p2200, but it doesn't tell me
where the associated files for the P2200 are.
For example, it mentions some batch files under
the "Installation ..." section that include
names like "prtp6m", etc.  I see stuff for a
printer, but not for a P2200.

It's also not clear to me which "Font Library Files"
to install.  Do I install them all, or only the ones
associated with my printer?  And which of the files
are associated with my printer?

What is "web", and why might I want to use it?  Likewise
for METAFONT?

I am clearing off space on my hard disk.  One person
suggested that he has about 13 MEG of EmTeX stuff.  Is
this a good estimate for what I need?

Thanks,

Mike

Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad)
Subject: Re: Conversion between LaTeX and WordPerfect
Organization: University of Waterloo
	<1992Dec13.173729.7970@wam.umd.edu>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:38:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.173729.7970@wam.umd.edu> joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman) writes:


   In article <9212131559.AA13239@rphs1.physik.uni-regensburg.de> Wolfgang Ratzka <wolfgang.ratzka@rphs1.physik.uni-regensburg.de> writes:
   >   Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 16:55:12 +0100
   >   From: Wolfgang Ratzka <wolfgang.ratzka@rphs1.physik.uni-regensburg.de>
   >
   >      I have a need to be able to convert files between LaTeX and WordPerfect.
   >      There is a program available to convert from WP to LaTeX, WP2LATEX.
   >      However, I do not know of a program for going the other way.
   >      Does anyone know of such a program?
   >   Sounds very improbable that anybody
   >   \begin{sarcasm}
   >   Do you know a translator from
   >   \end{sarcasm}
   >oops, I hit the wrong key. On second thinking, this kind of translator
   >wouldn't sound like a bad idea. But it sounds like a pretty complex
   >task. After all it would have to deal with macros and definitions....
   >

   I should think it would be easier to convert a .dvi file to
   WordPerfect.  The .dvi file specifies exactly where each letter should
   be, and it which font it should be printed.  WP can do that.

   -Joel
   (joel@wam.umd.edu)


It might be that *both* the latex and the dvi are needed for a proper
translation. The dvi file specifies the spacing as you pointed out,
while the latex file would specify the overall structure of the file:
sections, subsections, tables and the like so that one may still be
able to manipulate them.

I use WP daily various text. Still I question its ability at dealing
with something as horrific as

$a_{i,j_{k-\frac{k-\floor{\frac{1}{n}}}{k-1}}}$. 

naji.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: rmaarts@prl.philips.nl (Aarts ing. R.M.)
Subject: grammar checker for English 
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 10:22:46 GMT


Is there a good grammar checker for English (and Dutch) text files for 
(La)Tex files? Please reply by email and I'll post a summary.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
                              |
Ronald M. Aarts               |      voice: +31 40 743149
Philips Research Labs. WOII   |        fax: +31 40 742630
PO Box 80000                  |      email: rmaarts@prl.philips.nl
5600 JA Eindhoven             |   
The Netherlands               |  
                              |
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From: gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: Please help! EmTeX does not work with 386max?
Keywords: emtex, 386max
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:34:50 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <icking.724439681@gmd.de> icking@gmd.de (Werner Icking) writes:
>In <choe.724038504@dirac> choe@dirac.phys.washington.edu (In-Jerng Choe) writes:
>
>>I recently switched to 386max from qemm, and noticed that tex386 (v. b8)
>>generates "DPMI not supported" error.
>>Since 386max supports both DPMI and VCPI, it should run OK if it does not
>>check for DPMI.  Is there any way to convince tex386?
>
>Did you read that (from EMTEX386.DOC) -- RTFM:
>
>  - If you're using a program (like 386max) which runs DOS in virtual mode,
>    you should configure that program to provide expanded memory (EMS),
>    *not* extended memory (XMS)

The FM for TeX386 doesn't tell you the following trick, nor does the
FM for 386MAX, but you can turn off DPMI for the next n requests by
issuing the command ``memlimit nodpmi,n'' and you can turn it off
permanently by issuing the command ``memlimit nodpmi,0''.  You turn it
back on by issuing ``memlimit nodpmi,1'' followed by a command that
tries to access DPMI (to use up that one instance). Thus, my
latex386.bat file contains the lines

   memlimit nodpmi,1
   tex386 &lplain %1

which lets it work nicely with 386MAX without having to do anything
funny about configuring 386max. This also works generally with
programs using the emx and GO32 extenders under 386max.

---Jon
-- 

Disclaimer --- The government probably disagrees with my opinions.
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Newsgroups: comp.text.tex,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Experiences with DirectTeX (vs OzTeX)?
From: gouvea@zariski.harvard.edu (Fernando Gouvea)
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:45:17 EST
Organization: Colby College Dept. of Math/CS
Keywords: Macintosh, DirectTeX, OzTeX, MPW

In article <1992Dec18.034506.11066@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> johnz@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (John Zic) writes:
>
>What are _your_ reasons for using DirectTeX over OzTeX? I need to be
>convinced that the pain of swapping over is going to be worthwhile...
>
Advantages, as I see it:

1) Automatic font generation using Metafont,

2) Support for virtual fonts,

3) Prints and TeXes in the background.

Disadvantages:

1) It's still a bit raw (I have occasional problems),

2) If you're going to have to buy MPW to run DirectTeX, it'll come out to
be pretty expensive,

3) It's much slower to load, at least on my machine.




-- 
============================================================================
Fernando Q. Gouvea				fqgouvea@colby.edu
Dept. of Math/CS				(207)-872-3278
Colby College					Mudd 407
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From: joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: tex-xet on an HP 9000/730
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:54:15 GMT

In article <ALEX.92Dec12114349@diamond.idbsu.edu> alex@math.idbsu.edu (Alex Feldman) writes:
>I gave up on the Interworks library version of TeX, and pulled the web
>and web2c sources from ftp.cs.umb.edu, and that all compiled
>wonderfully (I'd still be curious to discover what went wrong with the
>Interworks source, but...).  Then I tried to modify ctex.ch as per the
>instructions in the tex-xet distribution, and I got errors in tangle.
>Again, this is very hard for me to debug, and I would appreciate any
>help... the relevant portion of a transcript of the make appear below
>(I can mail the whole thing to anyone who wants it.
>
>Could (part of) the problem be that this tex-xet is for 3.0, while
>what I have here is 3.141?  If so, can anyone point me towards a newer
>tex-xet, or an older tex?
>
>Thanks for any and all help.  Herewith the transcript:

I, too, was unable to get TeX-XeT to work.  If there's a ``trick'' I'd
love to know about it.

-Joel
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: peg@cs.washington.edu (Pete Granger)
Subject: Symbols and Fonts not in Manual
Summary: these things exist, but I can't find them
Keywords: empty set, proper subset, P, NP
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 02:46:37 GMT


There are a couple of things that I'd like to be able to use in my
papers that I can't find in the LaTeX manual. I know they exist,
because I've seen them used elsewhere. If you have a copy of
"Introduction to Automata Theory, Languages, and Computation" by
Hopcroft and Ullman, you can see illustrations of the things I'm
looking for.

What is the correct way to get the empty set symbol, the circle with
the slash through it? I don't want \emptyset, which is a zero with a
slash; I want the thing they use in Hopcroft & Ullman (see page 2,
paragraph 2).

The other symbol I can't get is the symbol for "proper subset". I can
use the \subset from the LaTeX manual, but my instructor prefers the
one that looks like the \subseteq with a slash through the horizontal
bar. (See Hopcroft & Ullman, last line on page 298).

I also want the nice script characters, not the \cal font (which I
have been using so far), so I can type P and NP the way they do in the
book (see page 320).

Thanks.
-- 
Pete Granger          | "Dolphins had been telling humans dirty jokes for thou-
peg@cs.washington.edu |  sands of years, before men...began to understand."
                      |      - David Brin, "Sundiver"
From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Subject: Re: Changing the value of \char
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:28:59 GMT

In article <Dec.8.14.33.42.1992.25875@math.rutgers.edu>, kuplinsk@math.rutgers.edu (Julio Kuplinsky) writes:
|> Is it possible to change the meaning that TeX assigns to input
|> characters? More precisely: I want to use a system of transliteration
|> of cyrillic characters different from the one TeX uses, for instance
|> I would like TeX to interpret 
|> 
|> 	PACCKA3
|> 
|> as 
|> 	rasskaz
|> 
|> without having to use control sequences. Can this be done?

As others have already pointed out, this is indeed possible.  I would,
however, caution against the subversion of a digit (3) to produce a
letter (z).  I _know_ it's tempting (the Cyrillic letter looks so
blooming similar to the arabic digit), but I would avoid it.

If what you're after is typesetting of a Cyrillic-based language,
there's a fine set of Cyrillic fonts available nowadays, to enable you
to do just that.  Wander off to any good TeX archive and look (you can
pull the Metafont sources and build them with the right parameters for
_your_ printer).
--
Robin (Campaign for Real Radio 3) Fairbairns       rf@cl.cam.ac.uk
U of Cambridge Computer Lab, Pembroke St, Cambridge  CB2 3QG, UK
"They had twelve years to lay in wait for us" - Bush supporter on Nov 4
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: input only existing file
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:23:03 GMT

In article <MASROOR.92Dec15084006@human.ai.kyushu-u.ac.jp> masroor@human.ai.kyushu-u.ac.jp (Muhammad Masroor Ali) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.150513.10159@rcvie.co.at> lan_schn@rcvie.co.at (Wolfgang Schnabl) writes:
>
>>Hi.
>>I want to include a file into TeX if the file exists. If it doesn't,
>>nothing should happen. Is there a possibility to check within TeX,
>>if an specific file exists?
>>
>>	    Thanx, Wolfgang.
>
>
>Try it in this way,
>
>\newread\FileName
>\openin\FileName = <specific file name>
>\ifeof\FileName\else\input <specific file name> \fi
>
>
>I have not tried it, but I think it will work.

Don't you want to close the file before \input'ing it?

-Joel
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Subject: Re: Paragraph shape in LaTeX list environment
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:28:16 GMT

In article <HANCHE.92Dec11154238@ptolemy.ams.sunysb.edu>, hanche@ams.sunysb.edu (Harald Hanche-Olsen) writes:
|> I have been looking at latex.tex, trying to understand how paragraphs
|> in the list environment are formatted.  Basically this is done with a
|> \parshape command executed at the beginning of the list environment.
|> 
|> I don't understand why that works.  The \parshape parameter is
|> supposed to be reset after each \par, but in this case it takes effect
|> for every paragraph within the the environment.  What am I missing?

I would hypothesise that it's reset in \everypar.

I don't have the time to look just now, but LaTeX plays fast and loose
with \everypar (as I found recently when I tried to make code that
numbers paragraphs).  In particular, it stomps on it when you go into
a list environment of any sort.
--
Robin (Campaign for Real Radio 3) Fairbairns       rf@cl.cam.ac.uk
U of Cambridge Computer Lab, Pembroke St, Cambridge  CB2 3QG, UK
"They had twelve years to lay in wait for us" - Bush supporter on Nov 4
From: bryanb@plato.ds.boeing.com (Brian Baker)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Page Numbering
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:28:15 GMT
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group


     I am having trouble getting LaTeX to number the pages
the way that I want using the 'book' document style.  In
most books the very first page with printing on it is page
(i).  From that point on, page numbers continue (ii), (iii),
(iv), etc...  until the first page of the first chapter,
which is page (1).

In my document, the title page should be page (i), the table
of contents should be pages (ii) and (iii), the Preface
should be (iv), etc...

The problem is that when I use the \maketitle command, the
next page is automatically reset to (i), which is the table
of contents.  How do people usually get around this problem?
Is there a way to suppress the page renumbering by the
\maketitle command?

Please respond via E-mail.  Thanks for your help.

                              Bryan B.
                              bryanb@nyquist.boeing.com
From: YiHUNG CHEN <CHENYH%MEMSTVX1.BITNET@SHSU.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: singof
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 22:56 CDT
Organization: Info-Tex<==>Comp.Text.Tex Gateway
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From: joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: macro to reverse text?
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:24:52 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


I'd like a macro that reverses the text inside of it, so:

	\ReverseMe{abcdefg}

would yield

	gfedcba

Anyone know how to do this?

-Joel
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Tek-4010 DVIware ?
From: lyons@ennews.eas.asu.edu (Mike R. Lyons)
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:03:36 GMT
Distribution: comp.text.tex
Organization: /home/lyons/.organization


	I am curious if anyone knows any good terminal DVIware for a
Tek-4010 terminal.  I am currently trying to view my LaTeX documents
via the network using Kermit (which emulates a Tek-4010 terminal).
The software I am trying to use is DVItoVDU by A.  Trevorrow ("C"
version) off a Sun running UNIX.  I can't seem to get the viewer to
work correctly.  DVItoVDU toggles too quickly between
Tek-graphics-mode and vt100-mode for me to see anything on my
terminal.  If anyone knows a better package (on the net, preferably)
or can give me some pointers with DVItoVDU, I would appreciate the
e-mail.

				lyons@emipx1.eas.asu.edu

				Thanks in Advance,

				M. Lyons  :-)
From: rbv@cypress.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: phonetic transcription
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:28:36 GMT
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA, USA

schoenbe@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Ullrich Schoenbeck) writes:

	Does anybody know about possibilities of realizing phonetic
	transcription under LaTeX ? 
	If possible, according to IPA-standards.

If your are asking about obtaining IPA fonts, you can get them from
ymir.claremont.edu, under [tex.mf.ipa].  There is also a set of macros for
their use in plain TeX under [tex.inputs.plain-contrib]ipamacs.tex.

-- Roger
From: rad213@huxley.anu.edu.au (Roger A Dubois)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Left hand figures in Latex
Date: 12 Dec 1992 06:12:16 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12
Summary: I am preparing a Ph.D. thesis and need to include a number of

How do I ensure the figure legend only prints on a left hand page under a 
footnoterule.

This has become an urgent problem for me, I hope someone can help.
Expires: +21days
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Distribution: world
Organization: Australian National University
Keywords: Tex Latex Left hand figures
From: dfr@usna.navy.mil (PROF D. Rogers (EAS FAC))
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Re: hyphen in math mode
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:35:10 GMT
Organization: U. S. Naval Academy

In article <9662201@MVB.SAIC.COM> WAGNER%CSEARN.BITNET@SHSU.edu (Zdenek Wagner) writes:
!Hi TeXers,
!I wanted to print a normal hyphen in a complex math formula. I even tried
!
!cedefchmc{-}
!
!outside math but in all my attemts I got math minus instead. Can someone
!help me with this problem?

Try \hbox{\rm -}

Haven't tried it but should work.

dfr
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: dhosek@cbrown.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: Tek-4010 DVIware ?
Organization: Quixote Digital Typography
Distribution: comp.text.tex
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:14:32 PST

In article <LYONS.92Dec14160336@emipx1.ennews.eas.asu.edu>, lyons@ennews.eas.asu.edu (Mike R. Lyons) writes:
 
> 	I am curious if anyone knows any good terminal DVIware for a
> Tek-4010 terminal.  I am currently trying to view my LaTeX documents
> via the network using Kermit (which emulates a Tek-4010 terminal).
> The software I am trying to use is DVItoVDU by A.  Trevorrow ("C"
> version) off a Sun running UNIX.  I can't seem to get the viewer to
> work correctly.  DVItoVDU toggles too quickly between
> Tek-graphics-mode and vt100-mode for me to see anything on my
> terminal.  If anyone knows a better package (on the net, preferably)
> or can give me some pointers with DVItoVDU, I would appreciate the
> e-mail.

Kermit can be configured so that a single key will toggle you
back into graphics mode. Having written a kermit-specific
extension to the Modula-2 DVItoVDU on VMS, I remember how
convenient this was (the screen is actually still there, just not
visible whil you're in character mode).

-dh
From: engel@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: dvi to IBM laser printer (HP emulsion) command?
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:07:01 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

Hello,
Could you mention to me what is the name of the utility
that converts a dvi file to an IBM laser printer WITH a HP emulation?
(including the ftp site name for extracting)
Thanks,
Michael (engel@hujivms or engel@vms.huji.ac.il)

Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
From: dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: studying bb's laps macros with stephan's magic box macros
Organization: Quixote Digital Typography
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:31:18 PST

In article <9507056@MVB.SAIC.COM>, TEXAMPLES%VUVAXCOM.BITNET@SHSU.edu writes:
> For our local user's group meeting macro show and tell, I wanted to use
> barbara beeton's little file LAPS.TEX which extends \llap and \rlap to
> vertical mode \ulap and \dlap and then mixes them. She says you have to
> see their result to understand how they work. Well, I've seen their result
> and I still don't understand them, so I figured that it would help to make
> the box borders, baseline and reference point visible to understand how they
> work on the boxes, but I was unable to find such macros in the tex.index
> file and was unwilling to retype several pages of a preliminary copy of
> STEPHAN BECHTOLSHEIM'S perpetually almost about to appear book
> "TEX IN PRACTICE" (new date January 31, 1993), and my old email address
> for him is no longer valid. So my question is two-fold:
> 1) Does anyone have any already done commented example files showing
>    clearly how these lap macros work?

As the original publisher of those macros (5 or 6 years ago--can
it really be that long?) in TeXMaG, I can point you to their
various appearances in that journal (available for FTP from
ymir.claremont.edu in [anonymous.tex.periodicals.texmag]). As a
second aside, TeXMaG has officially ceased publication. I'm
working on a "Best of TeXMaG" book for publication through TUG
(perhaps by mid-1993) which will contain the best articles over
the years from that publication. But I digress. The original
article on Barbara's (or should I say "barbara's") macros
appeared in  TeXMaG v1n3. An illustration of them appears in
TeXMaG v1n6. Another illustration (for printing a timeline)
appeared in TeXMaG v1n7. If you don't understand how \rlap and
\llap work, read about those first. Then you will be able to
understand the rest of them a little better.

-dh