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From: Howard Frederick <hfrederick@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.romanian
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:38 PST
Subject: Europe in Turmoil*Media*Call4Papers
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1601400003:000:2526
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From: Howard Frederick <hfrederick>
Subject: Europe in Turmoil*Media*Call4Papers

                [ Please respond to hfrederick@igc.apc.org ]
                     Call for Papers*Deadline Extended

                    International Communication Section
         INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR MASS COMMUNICATION RESEARCH

                            "Europe in Turmoil:  
               Communication and Democracy in Civil Society"
        Hosted by School of Communications, Dublin City University
                        June 25-26 Dublin, Ireland

     Three forces compete for the hearts and minds of Europe's attentive 
publics--government, market, and civil society.  In Europe, as elsewhere, 
governments and markets control the major channels of public opinion 
formation, so they usually prevail.  But new channels (both interpersonal 
and technological) have transformed our capacity to build and maintain 
long-distance coalitions and networks.  New regional and global forces are 
now using new channels of communication to fight problems whose scale 
previously confounded local and national solution.  We call this the 
"transnationalization of civil participation."  

     The International Communication Section seeks papers for two panels 
describing the scope and impact of channels promoting communication and 
democracy in Europe's civil societies.  From the environment to women, from 
neighborhood conflict resolution to computer networks, from radio to 
publishing, from universities to the labor movement:  Civil society is 
producing new media to distribute its culture and information.  Market- and 
government-controlled media have not been able to provide reliable and 
diversified information essential to democracy.  We will accept articles 
from outside Europe if they focus on channels of civil and democratic 
communication relevant "Europe in Turmoil."  

     Paper abstracts accepted until February 15.  Important:  Final papers 
must be submitted via *email or on diskette* by April 15, 1992, no 
exceptions.  For submissions, contact:  Howard H. Frederick, President, 
International Communication Section of IAMCR, P.O.B. 94653, Pasadena, CA 
91109 USA Voice:  +1-818-568-0994  Email:  hfrederick@igc.apc.org   
Fax: +1-818-791-2205 "Attention CLAIRE"   

     For more information on the Dublin conference, contact Paschal 
Preston, School of Communications, Dublin City University, Glasnevin DUBLIN 
9, IRELAND  Tel:  +353 1 7045478  Fax:  +353 1 704 5447  
E-Mail:  PrestonP@dcu.ie
From: ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Is there a "Best of the Talmud?"
Date: 24 Jan 93 04:49:09 GMT

Buying a Talmud set would break my budget, and the copies in the
local library can't be taken out.  Also, I'm not interested in some
of the topics addressed by the Talmud.  Is there a distilled version
of the Talmud which deals mainly with ethics and daily living?

					Matt Harrington

Please respond via email.
Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll)
Subject: Source of hatred in MidEast (was Re: Let's hit Nazis?)
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:11:56 GMT

In <21720@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu writes:

>My guess is that, while the Holocaust should not be forgotten, it will be the
>source of hatred of Germans by Jews in 2000 years as persecution of Jews 2000
>years ago feeds hatred in the Middle East today.

I don't think that the persecution of Jews 2000 years ago feeds the
hatred in the Middle East today.  In all fairness, the Jews of 2000
years ago were persecuted by Assyrians, Greeks and Romans, not by
Arabs.  The hatred in the M-E today stems in part from
(misinterpretation of?) parts of the Quran, and in part from the
humiliation suffered by the Muslims as their golden age ended and they
were overtaken by the West as the prevailing world civilization.  This
feeling of injustice and a vague fear of inferiority has provoked the
backlash against anything Western, and against Israel in particular.

--
                     |         | "Step up and shake the hand
David F. Skoll       | ||||||| |  Of someone you can't stand,
|_ _ _  __   __ _ __ |  \\V//  |  You can tolerate him if you try..."
 / |  | |_|   | |  | |  __|__  |  -- Tom Lehrer, "National Brotherhood Week"
_____|________________________________________________________________________
From: ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: How do Jews reconcile science and philosophy with their faith?
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:38:06 GMT

There seem to be many Jews (perhaps non-practising) in the sciences
and mathematics.  Perhaps some of them even read this newsgroup.  It
seems to me that it is difficult to reconcile various scientific
accomplishments with religion in general.  For example, evolution
and the big-bang theory run contrary to the account given in the
Bible.  In the philosophical realm, I haven't heard any defenses of
free will vs. determinism or other dilemmas given by people of a
Jewish background.  So, how do you people do it?  "It" refers to
reconciling your fundamental religious beliefs with the scientific
and philosophic theories (&c.) of the day.

					Perplexed,

					Matt Harrington
From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Torah is the center of every Jew? (was Orthadox Judaism and women)
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:00:01 GMT
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Live & Direct from Downtown Petah Tikva ISRAEL

In article <FAIGIN.93Jan19184143@solarium.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>According to my wife, who had Orthodox teachers, a female raised in an
>Orthodox home has no opportunity to study Torah, because no male teacher will
>teach her Torah. My wife should know -- she was thrown out of 3 Torah classes
>at Hebrew High School just because she was female!
>

In August, 1991, I spent a day touring the Lubavitch Chabad facilities in
Crown Heights.  I was with a (very hostile) group of Jewish educators from
the CAJE Conference then meeting on Long Island.

We had lunch at the Chabad Womens' Yeshivah which is mostly devoted to teachers
training.  The question was raised as to whether Chabad permits women to be
taught Gemara.  (When people say that women ought not to learn torah, they mean
gemara.)

The answer was that, although women are not encouraged to learn gemara, it is
taught to any woman who wishes.  As if on cue, a woman rose from the back of
the room and announced that she loves the study of gemara and that the
yeshivah had had no hesitation to teach her.

So, if Karen REALLY wants to learn torah, now she knows where to go!   :>)
-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Lot and 'Incest' (was Who did Cain Marry?)
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:34:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.C1H26A.ILA
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <199301241038.AA04634@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
>In: <1993Jan21.161524.6397@cbnews.cb.att.com>
>ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) discusses incest, and says at
>     the end.

>>In article <4658@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:

>   *****   I am skipping everything till Art states:  *******

>>I don't have a good dictionary definition of incest, but it includes
>>sexual relations between a parent and child as well as between
>>brother and sister.  Perhaps it extends to some or all of the
>>prohibited relations we read on Yom Kippur.

>>In particular, Lot's daughters had to get Lot drunk before having
>>sexual intercourse with him;  that indicates they knew it was wrong
>>at that time.

>It lends itself to another explanation as well.   After living there for so
>long, Lot had been influenced by the local mores and had become a "Sodomite"
>himself, i.e. one not interested sexually in women.   :-)

The commentaries I have read do not indicate this; according to the
Biblical account, Lot was married (his wife was turned to salt for 
looking back) so we have no indication of this.  Indeed, Hertz argues
that the actions of the Sodomites was not that they were homosexual,
but that they did not respect the quite strong ancient Semitic guest
rights, and gives other examples of this.  Lot's offer to give his
daughters instead of his guests is in accord with the obligation of
a host to protect his guests.

However, Hertz also argues that Lot's daughters were true Sodomites.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Negaitve Jewish portrayals in Film (was: Re: GO SEE "A STRANGER AMONG US"!!!)
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:56:50 GMT

In article <1jn23rINNs9f@morrow.stanford.edu> aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes:
>
>The name of Spike Lee's most recent film preceding 'Malcolm X' is momentarily 
>eluding me; I chose not to see it because I read a few reviews noting the 
>extremely mercenary Jews characterized in it and decided that I didn't need 
>this.  

You're probably thinking of "Mo'Better Blues", but it wasn't the movie
which immediately preceded "Malolm X"; it fell between "Do The Right
Thing" and "Jungle Fever".

I'm still waiting for "Shtetl Fever", Spike's movie about Jewish men
who date Asian women. "Both a' youze got shtetl fever. Both a' youze."
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"Wait a minute! You guys are NINJAS!"
                ---The Tick
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.religion.misc
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: technical question here
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:02:42 GMT

"D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
] 
]   This shouldn't be a problem, since the commandment in question
]   (along with 606 others) were given specifically to Jews, who
]   DO have the judicial system to prevent abuse.  The trouble
]   arises when others pick and choose portions of the text for
]   their own use.

dc,

this raises the somewhat interesting question for
those who are 'christian biblical literalists':

would you recommend that they spend a little time
understanding a bit of the Talmud before they
go kibitzing about what the 'old testament' means?

ciao
drieux


-- 
MajorModernDayProblems: 

sometimes, a thing will happen after another thing, 
and they may not be connected.....
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Torah morals
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:23:00 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1993Jan21.053302.17586@nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org
(Warren Burstein) writes:

>The Talmud discusses two types of slaves.  I am talking ....
....
>I'd also appreciate it if people might consider the possibility that I
>do occasionally know what I am talking about.

>/|/-\/-\          currently in NY until the Jewish Agency tells me
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> |__/__/_/        I can go back to Jerusalem (early Feb, probably)
> |warren@         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>/ nysernet.org

According to Jewish law a slave can force his master either to go with
him to Eretz Yisrael or to free him in order he will go alone to
 Eretz Yisrael.

Shalom    Gideon Ehrlich   ERETZ YISRAEL

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Subject: Re: Kosherizing Recipes
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:08:02 GMT

In article <1k6evl$981@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>
>While we're on the subject, I have noticed that a lot of Mexican recipes call
>for lard.  Is there any great loss in replacing the lard with, say, margarine?
>I assume that the lard is just a traditional, reasonably tasteless, shortening,
>and that any other shortening such as margarine or Crisco would do.  But
>does anyone know for sure?

The problem is one of texture, more than flavor.  Margarine has too much
water to work well.  Crisco works well in some recipes that call for lard,
particularly things like pie crust.  But some recipes really need the
very saturated animal fat to come out properly.  The most difficult thing
to perfect a substitute for lard in turns out to be Chinese almond cookies.
A friend and I ran through everything we could think of before a moment of
inspiration brought success by using schmaltz.  That's right - good old
chicken fat is an excellent substitute for lard.

Your taste buds will be ecstatic.  Your arteries, though, would probably
prefer vegetable oil.

Miriam Nadel
From: Murray Kahl <kahl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
Subject: Voiceless "h" ?
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Murray Kahl <kahl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:49:10 GMT

Date: 18 Jan 93 16:42:49 +0200
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Subject: Re: "Fricare"
 
In article <199301161523.AA09611@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>, Murray Kahl <kahl@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> writes:
> Date: 15 Jan 93 04:46:18 GMT 
> From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) 
> Subject: Re: Khanukah 
 
 is an example of a velar fricative. "Breathing" or the term glottal fricative 
> best describes the voiceless "h" (as in him).
 
Voiceless??? Surely the English h is voiced. The only people who pronounce it
unvoiced seem to be the British royal family :)
 
I am not a linguist, and can only quote the texts I have used.
 
"The voiceless fricative [h] (as in hoe) can best be described as a breathing."
 
"The Origins and Development of the English Language"
Thomas Pyles / John Algeo, p. 30
 
Thank you for the additional information regarding the Hebrew phonemes.
.
From: siegfried_r@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: ANTISEMITE - Is there a better word?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:40:58 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1993Jan22.034419.17430@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>,
 EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) writes:
> Do people think that the word "antisemite" properly conveys its intended use to
> mean a person against Jews and Judaism? Technically, semites are members of a
> group which share the semitic languages and include Jews, Arabs, Assyrians etc,
> all of whom are descendants of Shem. How about Judeophobe?

	This is the defense used by Arab anti-Semites to defend themselves when 
the term is used to accuse them of hating Jews.  "Since we are Semites 
ourselves, how can we be anti-Semitic."

	The origin of the term is based on the different basis of hatred of 
Jews that became prevalent in the nineteenth century in Western Europe.  Unlike 
earlier eras, where Jews were hated because they did not believe in Jesus or 
the Quran, they were hated because of their "racial" origins.  Unlike the 
earlier bigotry, which a Jew could escape by conversion (if judged sincere), 
here there was no defense.  This hatred, tapped by Hitler and his fellow scum, 
hated Jews because they were inherently racially inferior to the German, French 
or whomever.  The word "Semite" came into use to describe to specify that 
Jewish origins in the Middle East were the cause of their inferiority, not 
their beliefs as such.

	I would rather stick to the term for two reasons:  with the exception 
of Arabs, who are quite frequently dishonest even to themselves about their 
anti-Semitism, it is THESE very origins that are the focus of the bigotry.  The 
non-Arab anti-Semite probably has little REAL use for Arabs.  Secondly, I 
refuse to augment the Arab argument by changing MY terminology to suit THEIR 
point of view.

	Lastly, I remain proud of my Semitic origins.

					Robert Siegfried
					Computer Science Dept.
					Saint Peter's College
					Jersey City, NJ  07306
					siegfried_r@spcvxa.spc.edu
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: How do Jews reconcile science and philosophy with their faith?
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:08:50 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <44049@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ph600fcy@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Matthew Harrington) writes:

# There seem to be many Jews (perhaps non-practising) in the sciences
# and mathematics.  Perhaps some of them even read this newsgroup.  It
# seems to me that it is difficult to reconcile various scientific
# accomplishments with religion in general.  For example, evolution
# and the big-bang theory run contrary to the account given in the
# Bible.  In the philosophical realm, I haven't heard any defenses of
# free will vs. determinism or other dilemmas given by people of a
# Jewish background.  So, how do you people do it?  "It" refers to
# reconciling your fundamental religious beliefs with the scientific
# and philosophic theories (&c.) of the day.

	Unfortunately I forgot his name, but last month my in law's synagogue
brought in a guest lecterer from the Jerusalem College of Technology
for the weekend.  He is a very religious Jew, and holds many patents.
He has a PhD in physics and is considered a highly reputable and
respected scientist. If I remember his name I will post it later.  I
think it was Dr. Bodenheim, but I am not sure.

	Anyways, one of the talks he gave was on this very topic.
According to him (and he gave plenty of specific examples, the best
current knowledge of the origins of the universe do not contradict,
and are even in line, with the Bible.  EVEN IF THE BIBLE IS TAKEN
LITERALLY.

	One other thing to consider.  By definition (if we assume G-d is
omniscient), it is possible for G-d to have created the universe in
one way, but make it appear as if it was created another (i.e. he
could have created a tree that had all the charecteristics of a tree
that was hundreds of years old) way.  To deny this possibility is to
reduce the powers of the almighty.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jad@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (John DiNardo)
Subject: Central Intelligence Agency Employs Hitler's Spies
Keywords: Central Intelligence Agency Employs Hitler's Spies 
Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! 
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:21:14 GMT

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chose, rather, to seek other means of continuing the war while
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Has Chabad gone crazy?
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:21:17 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <19Jan93.184355.20623@granite.ciw.edu> cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen) writes:
>When the real Moshiach comes, there will be no question, and it
>will be a dark time.  The Mishnah says (end of Sota (9,15)):
>"With the advent of the Messiah presumptuousness shall wax great
>and produce shall soar in costliness; the vine shall yield its
>fruit but the wine will be costly [maybe it is time! :-)], and
>the heathens shall be converted to heresy and there shall be no
>rebuke.  The house of meeting shall become one for adultery.
>And Galilee shall be devastated and Gablan shall be desolate..."
>
>Doesn't sound like counting Mitzvahs to me.

It sounds a lot like today.  Read the news a bit.

1) Food is getting very expensive.  As a matter of fact, governments
   deliberately destroy produce to jack up the prices.
2) Wine is VERY expensive, even though there hasn't been a blight for
   years and years.  Governments are imposing high tariffs on wine as
   well (200% to import from France to USA, I believe).
3) Paganism (including idol worship and child sacrifice) is on an
   upswing and for the first time since Christianity came into
   existance, they aren't being persecuted, nor prosecuted, nor are
   people even complaining much.
4) Sexual morals have gone almost completely out the window.  Almost
   any place where men and women associate may be used for sex these
   days.  It's not uncommon to find bosses "doing" their secretaries
   in offices.  If you want "house of meeting" to be the traditional
   meaning - the seat of government, it still works.  Political
   leaders are up to their eyeballs in sex scandals.

No, times don't have to get much darker, I'm afraid.
-- 
  |)  David Charlap          | .signature confiscated by FBI due to
 /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | an ongoing investigation into the
((|,)                        | source of these .signature virusses
 ~|~
From: gmk@cs.bham.ac.uk (Gideon M H Kay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Religious breakdown of Clinton Cabinet
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:27:09 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK


  Not being an American, nor a person who understands the actual
  Constitutional relationship between the President and the
  Vice-President can someone explain exactly how much of a say Al Gore
  will have in the policy decisions that the Clinton Administration
  makes about Israel and Jews in general???


  	Gideon.


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|	School of Computer Science,   |				              |
|	University of Birmingham,     |  "If I am not me.. who am I?          |
|       United Kingdom.		      |   And when I am for myself what am I??|
|			              |   And if not now when???"             |
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