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From:         Christopher Mark Conn <sascmc@UNX.SAS.COM>
Subject:      Re: A Boy and His Dog
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              31, 92 11:08 am

Rick Francis writes:

>
> I know that Harlan Ellison was deeply involved with this great movie,
> and it certainly bears his stamp.  I saw him in person once, and he
> manages to sound just the way you would think from his writing:
> angry, intelligent, fascinating, maybe a bit pompous.  More info, anyone?
>

He really seems to like to play the role of the rebel... he used to
write a column in _The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction_
(*wonderful* magazine, BTW, if you can find it) about Hollywood where
he spent most of his time shredding films and people to pieces.

I've read a couple of his stories and found them kind of hard to make
sense of, but he is well thought of in the SF world.



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Subject:      gremlins 2

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     03-Sep-1992 01:43pm DST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
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Subject: gremlins 2

There have been some postings recently in regards to Gremlins 2.  Just wanted
to throw in my 2 cents--this is a very funny movie, IMHO.  Things to watch for:

how many parodies of other (famous) movies can you spot?   I watch this movie
from time to time on the TV pay channels, and it never fails to make me laugh.
My favorite scene:  the gremlins have taken over a building, and a few people
are trapped inside.  One of the people trapped inside is an old man who hosts a
late-night TV vampire show, and he does an interview with one of the gremlins
(who is wearing jaunty glasses, and gifted with the ability to converse
intelligently); the interview is being conducted inside the building that has
been taken over and broadcast to the public outside.  The man asks the gremlin:
"Creature, just what is it that you want?"  And the gremlin's reply cracks me
up (I know this isn't verbatim, so shoot me):  "Quite simply, we want
all the things that you have . . . we want civilization . . . credit cards
without prior approval, even if we've been turned down before . . . matching
bedroom sets . . . "

If you've never seen this movie before, and you're in need of a laugh, watch it
just to LOOK at the gremlins and what they get into.  The original Gremlins was
pretty funny, too, but the second one takes the cake, just for the "gremlin
interview" scene (another favorite scene is where the gremlins start singing
and dancing to the song "New York New York").  Pretty mindless fare, but
amusing nonetheless.  I find that sometimes I don't want to be intellectually
challenged by a movie, only entertained.  If you're in one of those moods, see
Gremlins 2.  Any other Gremlins (1 or 2) fans out there?  Or won't anyone else
admit it?

Anita
Penn State
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From:         Penny Ward <UNCPEW@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Delicatessen, part 2

Sorry for the garbled message (damn that send key!).
At any rate, even though the movie is about a decayed civilization
where people have to resort to cannibalism to stay alive,
it's not a depressing movie.  Please see it.

--Penny
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              Aug 27, 92 8:45 pm

Sorry. My computer has been up and down all week and in the absolute
delight in being able to log on I forgot to add "spoiler" protection.
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     27-Aug-1992 11:52am DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
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Fintan:

Thanks for the title of that movie.  I have to tell you that it did not sound
familiar at all.  Maybe there is more than one movie on the subject?  The movie
that I was thinking about was made in the 60's sometime, I believe a British
film.  There was this doctor (I think) and he was performing illegal abortions,
and actually murdering these young women. Some very disturbing scenes.  Anyway,
there was this young man, not retarded, but somewhat backward and circumstances
placed him close to a couple of the murder scenes and with this circumstantial
evidence, he was found guilty and hanged.  About a year later, the murders
started up again, same MO, etc. and the police knew that they had hanged the
wrong man.  I understood that it was this case which caused Britain to abolish
Capital Punishment.  Do you still think it is the same movie?

Thanks!
Ellen
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Subject:      the law/trial scenes in movies

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                                        Date:     27-Aug-1992 10:41am DST
                                        From:     Anita F. Colyer
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Subject: the law/trial scenes in movies

How about The Accused?

Anita
Penn State
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From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Boyz N' The Hood

Peter,
You wrote that BOYZ N' THE HOOD had more impact on video than
in the theater (for you).  I assume that you mean that watching
it without the "mass audience" effect was better.  (i.e., no
running commentaries or cheering, etc.)  If you have a chance,
I would love to know if you saw New Jack City and this other
movie (whose name I'm blocking on right now) that was sort of
the same genre, done by a very young guy from Brooklyn.  If so,
what did you think of all of these?  Which would you recommend
the highest?  And if you would, I'd appreciate just a brief
synopsis of each because the publicity efforts for these movies
and the various critiques they've received have kind of lumped
them all together.

Thanks,
Anjani
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:27:56 EDT
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Subject:      Re: The law in movies
              27 Aug 1992 08:11:31 -0500 from <JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX>

Stephen--There may even be thousands but for now here are the ones I can
recall:

Adam's Rib (great trial scenes!)
Class Action
With Justice for All? (title may be slightly off, it's the Al Pacino film
   made in the late 70s)
Anatomy of a Murder
I Want to Live
Legal Eagles
Judgment at Nuremburg
two British examples-
  Let Him Have It
  A Fish Called Wanda
Good luck with the display!
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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I saw this movie a few weeks on video, and quite enjoyed it.
It deals with an inter-racial relationship and racism. What makes
this movie so interesting (and enjoyable) is that not only does the
movie have a fairly upbeat tone, but it deals with the relationship
with the black community and the Indian community in the South.
The bigotry of whites is taken for granted but doesn't really
intrude into the story. Denzel Washington is the only name I
recognised in the cast, but everyone gives a good performance.
Funny, charming and very entertaining.
                                John Smyth
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:39:10 CST
From:         Rick <C47805NF@WUVMD.BITNET>
Subject:      Court scenes in films--more

I thought the court scenes, and the whole use of the court system was
an extremely interesting twist in The Postman Always Rings Twice.

In both the 1946 version and the 1981 version, that aspect of Cain's
novel is maintained well.

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PRISONERS OF THE SUN, an Australian movie that's been on Cinemax lately,
concerns the court-martial of Japanese officers for the execution of POWs.

kjf-
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Subject:      Re:Thelma & Louise
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POSSIBLE SPOILERS.....................




I only subscribed to this Discussion network a couple of days ago,
and I hadn't seen the movie. But with all this discussion on the film, I
watched it last night.
                  Ridley Scott has, IMO, the enviable ability to capture
the awesome beauty of the landscape and the excitement of the chase while
developing a genuinely touching relationship between the two main
characters.  I also think Anita's (Penn State) assessment of the movie is
spot-on. The sad thing about the male characters in the movie is the
fact that they do exist in real life.
                                The would-be rapist, having been told
to back off by a gun-wielding Louise, knows that he has escaped scot-free,
hence his arrogance. Had Louise not shot him, it would have been his
triumph. But Ridley Scott neatly subverts all these macho images. The
would-be charmer ends up dead, a pathetic figure zipped into a body-bag.
                                  Likewise, the cop that stops them
on the highway exudes power. He steps from the car, handsome and
powerfully built and wearing the gun and badge that establish that
power (prompting the line from Thelma "My God, it's a Nazi !).
Louise seems overawed by this power, but the waif-like Thelma reduces
this Aryan-type to a blubbering fool by taking his gun and locking him
in the boot of his car, as he wails about his wife and kids.
                       The macho image of the trucker is also deflated
(literally). He is obsessed with phallic imagery, and is even driving one.
The two women first make fun of him, deflating his ego, before demolishing
the source of his power :- his nice, long, shiny petrol tanker.
                                    Even the 'good' cop is shown to be
ineffectual. He doesn't want 'these two girls to get killed'. Why ?
Will it offend his sense of decency; his sense of chivalry. All he
can offer them is the justice system, whose set of values caused
Louise to pull the trigger in the first place.
                                             Ridley Scott can
underline the inequalities of a patriarchal society, while making
a very entertaining movie. Having seen BLADE RUNNER  again recently,
which is set in a very claustrophobic atmosphere, I can only admire
the skill of the director in his handling of this wide-open setting.
I enjoyed it a lot, as I have the comments in this Discussion Group.

                          John Smyth
                            Athlone, Ireland.
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Oops,

George, your post has confused me. I will explain my previous mistake.
A building across the street from where I work has an advertisement
that reads...

                              DELICATESSAN

 A masterpiece by Terry Gilliam, director of THE FISHER KING and BRAZIL.


As you can see, a bit of false advertisement can throw anyone off. It would
be interesting to know why this was written. Thanks for clearing things
up.

ed.j.hahr@uwrf.edu
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Subject:      Re: T&L

This is in response to the post with the ending of the movie spoiler:




********SPOILER BELOW*****************






























I agree somewhat with your view on the end in the movie(i.e. if they
had been male, Hollywood would have let them escape to Mexico).  I was
really depressed by the end of the movie 'cause the message I read was
that it's a man's world and any woman who tries to change that has to
leave.  The rest of the movie was more light hearted and up-beat with
regard for women trying to survive inspite of the system...but the ending
was like a slap in the face.

 --Gayle Gleason
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From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      T&L

Joan & other T&L commenters,
Criminy!! (or do I mean, Jiminy Cricket!!)  Somehow I find
myself serving as the proponent of the point of view I really
ddo not espouse ... namely, that there was "something going
on" besides platonic friendship between Thelma & Louise.
I too hate it when people find it necessary to see sex as
a way to justify closeness between same-sex friends.  And I
agree that T&L makers did not make a case for such a perception
of their protagonists, not much of case anyway.  I think there
are movies which play on this sort of ambiguity (e.g., Black
Widow), to add another dimension to either a friendship or
a rivalry, but I am not one to SEARCH it out generally.

--Anjani
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From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
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As an interesting double feature the local art cinema house is showing
DELICATTESSAN and BRAZIL later this month.
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From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: A Boy and His Dog

Some more on this film.  It was indeed screenplayed by its director, L. Q.
Jones.  And a personal note I didn't mention last time: at the time the film
was released (about 1975?) I was still peripherally involved in SF fandom.
At an SF convention shortly before its release, Jones showed up with a rough
cut of the film; Ellison himself was also in attendance as one of the presiding
literary luminaries.  As I remember, he was fairly pleased with the results,
considering the budgetary limitations of the film.  Personally, I think the
film still holds up fairly well, and conveys some of the geniune Ellison
belligerent bite.

I also recommend any of Ellison's TV criticism, which he used to do for the
LA Free Press.  I think there was a reissue recently, but the stuff was
originally published as a paperback under the title _The Glass Teat_.  In
some ways, I've enjoyed his personal commentary and essays more than his
often over-the-top fiction.

Jeff Clark
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From:         "FINTAN AYLWARD EXT.1231" <eei.eeifad@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      City of Hope
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Hi All
      I saw City of Hope directed by John Sayles on video over
theweekend. Execelent film. The film manages to combine several
stories and characters ensuring at the end the the plot manages to
come together. Any comments. Also saw Light Sleeper and the The
Naked lunch. Disappointing.  (the movie Delicatessen was directed
by two French directors,NOT Terry Gillan Ha, Ha Ha . I will come
up with their names tommorrow.)
                              Fintan
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From:         Don McCreary <mccreary@PX4.STFX.CA>
Subject:      Enchanted April

Well, I am off to the "big city" (Halifax, NS) on Tuesday annd thought I
would see ENCHANTED APRIL.  I remember hearing some pretty good things
about it, but wanted to check with people here.  Has anyone seen and
and would be willing to comment.  Does anyone know if someone in
re.movies.reviews has posted a review (and do you have it?)??

Don
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Kjf, you may be right about a "pre-Academy" ratio for _Intolerance_; but
suspecting and not remembering correctly, that's really why I hedged by
saying "roughly" TV shaped...!  Jeff Clark
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From:         "Michelle Pfeiffer's Purrvert (Yee,
              Eugene)" <YEE@DICKINSN.BITNET>
Subject:      Honeymoon in Vegas / Pet Semetary II

What's the verdict on _Honeymoon in Vegas_?  Thumbs-up or thumbs-down?

About _Pet Semetary II_, I noticed that it doesn't read "Stephen King's..."
I'm not familiar with King's works, but I take it that he didn't write a
sequel to _Pet Semetary_?  Or is it that King didn't want his "seal of
approval" on this one like he didn't with _The Lawnmower Man_?

Thanks.


Eugene "Euge" Yee        ###     #      #     ###          yee@dickinson.edu
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From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Mosquito Coast

I saw "Mosquito Coast" this weekend and thought it was
terrific.  I was very impressed by Harrison Ford in
this role.  (I mention this because a while ago, I
posted something to this list about how he'd make
an ideal candidate for the Bland Leading Men (PABLM)
Hall of Fame.  This movie makes me retract that opinion.)

--Anjani
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From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      All Time Worst Trailer Ever, Really
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	I've seen this one twice, folks, and I can't believe that
anyone would want to go see the movie after seeing the trailer.
It's for a film called _Dr. Giggles_ it stars Benny from L.A. Law
(you know the bad guy in _Darkman_), and it starts out with this
scene of him operating on himself.  (Shades of Cronenberg's
_Dead Ringer_)  Both times I've seen it, it has created an
audible groan from the audience.  Is this what the distribution
company wants?

-scott

On the positive side, I'd put the original _Alien_ trailer.  "In
space, no one can hear you scream..."  and then the egg cracks
and the steam escapes.
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