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From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (ParaNet Information Service)
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Subject: CORRECTION
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:04:01 GMT
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On August 20, 1992, ParaNet published a message from Richard Miller,
owner of Advent Publishing,  regarding his relationship to the Phoenix
Project.  Our preface to that message stated, incorrectly, that "this
Richard Miller is the Richard Miller who was associated with George
Green."  It should have stated that "this Richard Miller is the Richard
Miller who once channelled an entity called Hatonn."  Mr. Green's
publications also purport to contain messages from this same Hatonn;
but this fact does not necessarily imply any prior or present
relationship between Richard Miller on the one hand and George Green,
America West, or the Phoenix Liberator on the other.  Mr. Miller has in
fact stated that no such relationship has ever existed, and we have no
reason at this time to dispute his assertion.

We regret the error and apologize to Mr. Miller for the confusion.

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From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: New LITE Beer Commercial with aliens
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:40:14 GMT

In article <cee1.713419884@Isis.MsState.Edu> cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans) writes:
>Well looks like more alien-humor or more desensatizing by the media..
>but tonight toward the end of the Olympics, I saw a semi-shocking commercial,
>Lite Beer has a commericial with the aliens-coming and them all dancing
>in a circle drinking beer.. they look like greys glowing white, fluorescent
>or whatever, I hate those faces, anyway, there were 2 dozen or so dancing
>around, then it ended up with a mockery of the wheat circles with the 
>Lite Beer logo imprinted in a wheat field .. as like wheat circles...
>
>anyone seen this one.. oh boy oh boy
>
>chucj
> 

I saw it. Just made me want to puke. I wonder if the US Government paid
them to produce the commercial. Would sure make me back away from the subject
if I were considering applying for a research grant. 

Gregg.


Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: DNA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 06:41:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug21.035256.13996@news.Hawaii.Edu> markh@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mark Holladay) writes:
>
>
>
>     This is a question directed to the dude who mutates his DNA
>while sitting in a hot tube with space chicks.  Have you ever
>wondered if this mutation is beneficial or not?   

Well, if the chicks are nekkid, and open to suggestion, it would have
a definite reproductive advadtage. Heck, if they were just open to suggestion.

And to those wonem who read these things and get offended, -anything- which
produces children which survive has what many see as an important advantage.
So far, I have shown no sign of this advantage <sigh>, but I am working on it.
Sometimes I think that intelligence is not an anvantage, or that I mustn not
be very intelligent. Then in a flash of insight, I realize that feeling is the
key here, and that intelligence is a disadvantage. Thinking about sex as no
reproductive advantage whatsoever. 



Rich	(2 liters almost killed)

payner@netcom.com
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: third alteration. 7806 '7792' is mine, too.
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:08:33 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia


DAMN DAMNDAMNDAMNDAMN
the addressses are
direct : 9051467f@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au
                            ^^^^^^^
and to my account in Adelaide, writted to in a REPLY command
       : 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
                        ^^^^^^^

John McVey
Tekkie Terror of Whyalla VAX
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: the missing link
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:42:01 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <14370@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:
>Hey, I know *I'm* an alien!
>
>(And to prove it, I'm going to go make some crop circles, clone Gary Stollman's
>parents, teach my pet rock to sing, and breed a colony of invisible fish.  Then
>I'm going to abduct everyone who reads alt.alien.visitors)
>
>Hey! You can't PROVE I'm not who I say I am!
Nor would I try...  ;-)  I'm not one to spoil a good joke...






Rick

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Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:5710 alt.paranormal:2123 alt.sci.physics.new-theories:1978
From: jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM (Jon Roland)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
Subject: Re: Those Breakdancing Rocks
Date: 15 Aug 1992 03:37:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: starflight.corp.sun.com

>In article <63840@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Dear Potential Rock Star Owners: The way Dr. Demonde proved that the 
>                                                      ******
>>rocks were moving was to put a time lapse camers on them and it was 
>>found that the rocks move very slowly (the fastest moved 7 inches 
>>in 14 weeks time) a sort of expanding and contracting motion as it 
>>hunched its way across the table. More to come later.

I seem to recall reading an article many years ago about such a phenomenon.
Turned out to have an interesting explanation. The rocks had a layered
structure, and a tendency to be shaped so that they would lie with the
layers intersecting the ground at an angle. As the rocks expanded and
contracted each day due to solar heating, the edges of the rocks in contact
with the ground would shove grains of sand downward and to one side, and
in the process, shove the rocks to the opposite side. As it happened, most
of the rocks tended to line up in the same general direction because of
their shapes and prevailing winds. The result was a common movement by 
small fits and starts over a long period of time.

There is a similar phenomenon whereby large rocks tend to rise upward
when surrounded by smaller ones and both are immersed in frozen water
(are part of a tundra). The result is interesting to watch, if one is
patient, and produces an interesting landscape.
---

jdr@starflight.corp.sun.com, starflt@uunet.uu.net
Jon Roland
Starflight Corporation, 1755 E Bayshore Rd #9A,
Redwood City, CA 94063-4142, 415/361-8141
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:36:59 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug18.024610.18427@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
>Again, Rick wants to have his cake and eat it too.  He wants his challenge
>to be declared 'rhetorical', requiring no response - but he continues to 
>imply he has won the challenge.
>
While I won't presume to have won, I have my doubts that either side
will prevail without some kind of intervention.

>Rick, if your point is simply that one cannot 'prove' the origin of all the
>disputed circles, fine.  But you seem also to be saying that lack of such
>a proof is our (the skeptics') fault.

That wasn't the intention.  Lack of such proof is typical to an absolute
statement as was made.  (If men created at least one, since that's the
simple explanation, then man created all of them...  ;-)

>                                        Either the challenge is inherently
>unanswerable (rhetorical), or it does in fact have a solution.  Which is it?
>
Indeed, as above, the point is simply that you [skeptics] cannot prove the
absolute statement that man and his tools did create all of the crop
circles.  Fair is fair.  I cannot provide an alien in a spaceship...
or plasma toroids, or any other evidence that says man didn't create all
of the circles.  We, sir, are at an impasse.  

Practically speaking, we may find we must settle on the preponderance
of evidence to decide...  if there is overwhelming evidence that man
created crop circles that exhibit all the different characteristics
found in Crop Circles in different parts of the world
 (And if it's men doing it you should be able to prove it...)
then I'd likely agree with you.

Rick

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From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: EUREKA!-a title guaranteed to be read by subscribers here.
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:22:31 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

OK OK OK Found it
The post I was refering to was alt.athiesm #28363,
my reply being #28437 (or similar), called 're 28363 doe.. diffe.' etc

John Mcvey
Details in 7806
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rhoge1@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Robert James Hoge)
Subject: Re: Alien visitors?
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 07:19:32 GMT

Terve!

Mina olen Suomesta.  Taalla kaikki ihmiset on paska avoija.

Heido.


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From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:29:04 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug14.200312.1284@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>I still say that all you have to do to convince everyone that aliens are making
>these circles is to just catch the aliens in the act.  This shouldn't be
>too hard, should it?  *I'll* be waiting for your videotape...
>
>keith

You'll get to see it second! ;-)




Rick

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From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: K-2 Radio Transmission
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:38:32 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

usenet@ttinews.tti.com (Usenet Admin) writes:

	Anyone who has a shortwave radio and a tape recorder can record
noises that sound like the description presented here.  By and large,
pretty much anything you hear is either some naturally occurring
phenomenon or is cuased by FAX transmissions, high speed computer
controlled morse code, digital transmissions, encrypted audio, etc.

Pray tell, just what makes them so sure tha anything they have
heard is alien, i.e., what proof of this do they offer?

Duane
From: "russell tisseman" <russell.tisseman@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: crop circles?
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:54:05 EST
Reply-To: "russell tisseman" <russell.tisseman@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

JR=>Haven't you ever heard of the phenomena of "copycat crimes?"  If two "older
  =>guys" can fake a crop circle, what prevents other people from faking crop
  =>circles?  There's no reason why other people might be BETTER at faking crop
  =>circles than these two.  I for one would LOVE to fake a crop circle, and if I
  =>ever get a chance to, I will.  It would be interesting to see if any UFOlogists
  =>would be able to tell if it was fake or not.  Just because TWO people were

The thing I don't understand about this theory of people making the 
crop circles is this; why. Wouldn't the artists who made these quite 
elaborate patterns do it for some kind of recognition. I mean I 
wouldn't go to so much trouble just to keep a hoax going. You would 
think that someone would have come forward by now an fess up. And 
since there are so many of these circles being created all over the 
world I can not believe that nobody has witnessed one of these people 
at work.

One more thing, are these crop circles being made by the same method? 
If so that would seem unusual also.

What do you guys think?

               Russel
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Garland O Burton)
Subject: the missing link
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:44:45 GMT

did anyone ever stop to think that we are all aliens to this planet?

thousands of years ago primatives could have been cross bred with our
ancestors from afar.  "missing link?" you say.  were the dinosaurs erradicated
before the experiment began for any certain reason?  what do our ancestors from afar think of what we've done to the planet up to now?  when will they think    their experiment has gone far enough?  are hussein and kadaffee(sp?) the        pinacle of the species?  was hitler?  cindy crawford?

>8*][=<


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From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:47:37 GMT
Reply-To: dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


>>What?  When they confessed, they made a circle for the reporters, just
>>like the others.

Ok, let's be clear on this point. The circles were NOT just like the
others. In a true non-debunked crop circle (one that remains a mystery)
the crops are not damaged. They continue to grow in the direction of
the circle and do not stand up again even if the plants are green.
There is usually some unusual radioactive readings in the circle as well.
The two men that said they did the hoax created quite a bit of damage.
there was also no trace of unusual readings of the ground area.

I think these guys are either just jumping on the hoax bandwagon by
creating a few circles or paid to spread dis-information.

my 2 cents
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From: cherkaue@zomma.cs.wisc.edu (Kevin J. Cherkauer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: PROJECT BLUE BOOK IN ASCII FORMAT
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:44:13 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1992Aug15.115222.4329@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>Elite Enterprises <elite@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>>re: MICRO-FICHE CONVERSION TO ASCII FILE FORMAT (f i n a l l y!!!!!)
>
>[advertisement deleted]
>
>Isn't this stuff public domain?
>
>If so, what would stop one person from subscribing to your service and then
>uploading it to an ftp site for all to enjoy?

All US government reports are indeed public domain. It may be cheaper to obtain
(paper) copies from the government, which by law may only charge you for the
actual reproduction costs.
-- 
Kevin Cherkauer
cherkaue@cs.wisc.edu

Disclaimer: The above opinions are solely the responsibility of my owners.
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Personal Experience (was Re: Crop Circles?)
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:41:31 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug18.220729.6201@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater) writes:
>Why did my name get in this????? Maybe I don't post enough of the
>article I am answering. I am not making that mistake this time.
>

Sorry, was obviously a mistake.  It IS tricky, at times, to get the
who said what straight...

Rick

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.skeptic,mi
From: arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: guns and criminals
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 04:55:55 GMT


I think that criminals should have guns, It makes their job easier.

Big Al.  <grin>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: The Considerate Alien (was(Re: the missi
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:56:48 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca(Jeremy Reimer) 18Aug 92 08:17:01  types---
>Hey I know I'm an alien.
>And to prove it I'm going to go make some crop circles,clone Gary Stollman'sa
>parents,teach my pet rock to sing & breed a colony of invisible fish.Then 
>I'm going to abduct every one who reads alt.alien.visitors.
>Hey you can't prove I'm not who I say I am.

But it seems not a scientific alien.
Maybe from Entertainment Division.

   Popper is dead But he was here!!-

******************************** 
ARE ETOI SPACESHIPS SHY
OR ARE THEY JUST WAITING
TO SEAL THE ROYALTY DEAL
********************************
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:51:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <625mcsm@lynx.unm.edu> cary@carina.unm.edu (Ithlial the Archer) writes:
>In article <63914@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Dear Tom: Your right the earth could have grown by 800 or 852 miles.
>>It think it hasn't grown that much. The earth should live to an age of 
>>72.9 trillion years. This information came from T. Lobsang Rampa while
>>he was talking to a person on another planet. The dust fact did come
>>from a conventional Astronomer. Planets are usually destroyed as part of 
>>a super nova and then they start over again as part of something else.
>
>Not by a long shot John,  the majority of stars are not massive enough
>to become supernovae.  All will however become red giants, this _will_
>vaporize the innermost planets in a system, but the outer planets will
>be unaffected.

I think John's point here is that planets are destroyed, molecular dust
is attracted by the earths gravitational field, and that the earth grows
slowly over the course of millions of years.
>
>>Now let me give you another fact. The Earth's resonate frequency is 8.3
>>cycles per second (which varies a little due to certain factors).  I wear
>>a watch that has a transmitter in it that puts out a wave of energy at
>>about the same frequency as the Earth resonant frequency. This shields
>>me from ELF (extremely low frequency) radiation.  John Winston.
>
>Why would one worry about natural radiation below the optical band?  There
>are no natural sources (on the Earth) of radiation in this energy range 
>intense enough for your body to be effected.  All the man made sources I can
>think of, microwaves, radio station, TV stations et cetera are harmless.  
>If your going to worry about natural sources of radiation I'd think UV from
>the sun should rank pretty high.  The key here is low frequency=low energy.
>Radiation in this range is not ionizing, which is what makes it dangerous.
>
>BTW what is the reference for this ELF radiation from the Earth?
>
I have heard of these "earth vibe" type machines before. People told me
they were good for exposure from 60hz emmissions from AC and florecent
lights. It has been reported by Stan Deyo that ELF is used to transmit
messages and electricity to submarines and the the US has several ELF 
transmitters around the globe, but as to this being disruptive to the
subtle body of humans, I don't know about that.

Also , radio emissions are really not that well understood, and we really
don't know what long term effects of being surrounded by them, being close
to transmission sources, etc. will do to health in general. Hence, the
articles in many publications regarding wire-less computer networks,
and possible health related issues, as well as montitor emmissions, etc.

John, sounds like quite a watch! 

Jeff-
>
>My opinions, mine, mine, mine!
>
>To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
>and the dancers hit eachother.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:29:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug8.065811.3941@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown) writes:
>
>>In article <RZ94oB6w163w@quake.sylmar.ca.us> nateh@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Nate Hawthorn) writes:
>
>>[Media sensational views deleted]
>
>>>I'm sure there's lots going on, too bad we don't have a "circles.data" on 
>>>here somewhere that posts GIF files and long/lat of these circles (and any 
>>>other data on the circle)...
>>> 
>>>Too bad, these are what Mr. Homes would love, CLUES left behind from
>>>gravity drive!
>>> 
>>>Nate..
>
>>Gravity Drive???!!! I need some real details on this. 
>
>Now wait a minute.  Didn't some guys admit to doing all of those crop circles?
>It was a group of older guys.  They took a 2x4 with some ropes and smashed the
>crops with their foot on the board...
> 
>Of course, I assume that all of the skeptical people in alt.alien didn't
>believe them.
>
>keith

Its certainly easier to believe that it was gravity drive than to believe 
two retired guys (that were not in that great of physical shape) could manage
to drive all over the countryside making crop circles since, in some cases,
the circles were many miles (>50) appart. This and also, the method with
which they described would have damaged the plants in a small but detectable
way. Fact is, it was a reverse hoax just to attract attention. There are 
also crop circles of the same type in the US. Although it is a slim possibility
they did do some crop circles, I seriously doubt they did very many.

Gregg.