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From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: ISLAM ON ABORTION
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:15:32 GMT

In article <19664@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>
>>3	Imagine your own wife to have been raped -- would you raise the
>>	rapist's kid as a foster father?
>
>I only find it puzzling that so many educated people pose indirect
>questions like this, since they are trivially answered depending on
>whether or not one believes that the unborn child/fetus is a clump of
>cells or a human baby.  If we are talking about a clump of cells then
>abortion should be restricted no more than clipping one's toenails.
>If, however, we are talking about a human baby, then how could any
>of the above justify killing the baby?  Because of the sins of others?
>And just because it is less than perfect?  A lot of people with
>``severe handicaps'' go on to have productive lives and teach us
>all about the true value of life.  Few of them wish that someone else
>had killed them in the womb.
>--

That's why the women should be given the choice of abortion. 
Her choice will depend on whether she considers it as a clump 
of cells or a life ?  Even if she considers it as a life, her 
decision can be altered by whether she considers it as dangerous 
to her own life or not. By dangerous, I mean it need not always 
be in terms of physical danger. It might mean ruining her 
whole emotional and social life which she might not want to 
sacrifice for the sake of another life. No one should be forced 
to sacrifice their own lives for the sake of another. That choice
should be left up to the person. 

regards,
--   
   ______ ______ ______ ______ __  |\/\/\/|
    ____/  __  /  __  /  __  /  /  |  \  /|   LIFE'S COMPLEX - IT HAS 
   / __   /   /  /   /  /   /  /   | (o)(o)   REAL & IMAGINARY PARTS  
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E-mail - gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu       |   /   All Std. Disclaimers apply.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar)
Subject: Re: Regarding RAW-Mossad Nexus to Fight Terrorism
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:51:02 GMT

abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta) writes:

>Note: The above news item appeared in the misc.news.southasia.

That's funny, I thought it would be on rec.humor.  :-)

I mean the West Bank and Gaza aren't exactly under peaceful control.
The Muslims bled the Israelis dry in Lebanon, bled the Soviets dry
in Afghanistan, and are bleeding the Indians dry in Kashmir.
How would the Israelis, of all people, be able to help?
Remember that Israel is beginning to realise its status
as world pariah and is making some attempts to solve its 
problems. I don't know why anyone would want to put their
country in the unenviable position of being perceived as
the "new" Israel.

-hd

>I am what I am who I am.
>-- 

I think I agree with the sentiment [to thine own self be true?],
but I still can't resist:

>I am what I am who I am.
                      He's Popeye the sailor man.
                                              Toot. Toot.
From: aj3u@agate.cs.virginia.edu (Asim Jalis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: ISLAM ON ABORTION
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:26:58 GMT
	<1992Jul25.145411.1323@bernina.ethz.ch> <92043@bu.edu>
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22903

Another possible problem with making abortion too accessible (and
this is especially true in the subcontinent) is that people abort
female babies; rather like the people of Jahilia.  I have heard
some cases of this reported in the media.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: far1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Sayed Faraz A. Razavi)
Subject: Re: Pakistani marriage arguments and discussions...
Keywords: killing wife, divorce, backward tribal laws
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 15:35:47 GMT

raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:

>In article <1992Jul25.161557.7905@panix.com> ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci) writes:
>>It seems to me that arguing about what is and isn't right in a marriage
>>between a man and woman who live in a country which allows men to
>>murder their wives when they're done with them is a rather-
>>
>>	moot point.
>>
>>Allow Pakistan to work on the simpler things such as their water
>>system and their thousand diseases which are running rampant.  They
>>are far from ready to work on things- social.  
>>
>>.


>Are you from South Africa???

>S.R.Raza.

hmmm...talking about murdering their wives...maybe I haven't gotten the whole
article...but let me point out...right now I am living in a country in which
about 40 percent of husbands cheat on their wives...there are murders here too..men killing their wives...wives killing their husbands...Ruth how long have
you lived in Pakistan...one or two months...a few years even??
You sure are acting like an expert

Faraz

--
---------------------------------
Sayed Faraz Ahmad Razavi(Rizvi)
Mississippi State University
far1@ra.msstate.edu
From: mfazili@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Has Saddam been assasinated ??????
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:24:28 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

I have heard on the radio (on the Rush Limbaugh) this afternoon that a Middle 
Eastern News Agency announced that Saddam Hussein had been assasinated.  How-
ever this has not been confirmed by American or European News agencies.  
Aparently, they have been monitoring communications within  Iraq and no 
mention has been made of it.

Does anyone have any other information?

Thank you.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:12741 soc.culture.indian:25909
From: jxt@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jawahar Tembulkar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Article Alert: The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, Jul-Aug., '92.
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:20:59 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA


Article title is "Pakistan's Bomb: Out of the closet.

Regards,


Jawa


-- 
* Statutory Disclaimer : These are merely my views.	*
* Jawahar M. Tembulkar, Computervision, R & D, 		*
* 9805 Scranton Road, San Diego, CA, 92121, USA.	*
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:12740 soc.culture.indian:25904
From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SIKH JOKE, NO  OFFENSE!
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:27:14 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.pakistan

In article <1992Jul23.152436.7696@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq) writes:
> A newly married Sikh couple in London is walking in a park.
> The husband looks very large, mean and burly with his beard, turban
> and strut.  The wife looks very petit, feminine, delicate and small
> by comparison to him.
> 
> So there are two Brits on the bench who watch them.  And one says:
> "Look at the beauty and the beast!"
> 
> The husband gets really irate and marches towards the Brits and
> stands over them and says:
> "How dare you call my wife a beast!"
> 
> No offense intended!

Oh, none taken, believe me. I've had those exact same thoughts many times
myself.




--
mickw@autodesk.com

"I'll rock your world."
                     Wanda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Subject: NEW GREEN CARDS FOR EVERYONE
Followup-To: none
Keywords: Rumour of New Green cards
Reply-To: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:32:50 GMT

Hello everyone.
Can someone please confirm or deny the rumour that everyone who has a
green card will have to fill out forms I-90 to get fresh (tamper proof)
green cards by August 2nd 1992.

Syed Sayeed Ahmed.
From: sl57h@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: My share of jokes.
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:49:00 MDT
Organization: Utah State University


Here are few jokes for everyone to enjoy. The jokes, originally, are in
Punjabi. So if english translation has taken some of the flavour away then I am
sorry for that.

JOKE No., 1.

There are one Pathan and one Sikh living together. Both of them are very poor,
so much so that sometimes they have to go without eating. One day the Pathan
comes back from the work on a bicycle. The Sikh asks, "whose bicycle is this?".
"mine", replies the Pathan. The Sikh says you can not even afford the fare of a
bus, howcome you bought a bicycle. The pathan tells him that he didn't buy it
but how he aquired it, he will tell him later. The Sikh gets impatient and
tells the Pathan that if he considers him a friend he must be told the story
now. So Patan narrates, " I was walking on the road looking for work and here
comes  this most stunningly beautiful broad riding on this bicycle. She winks
at me and beckons me  to come after her. She goes into the jungle on the out
skirts of the city. There at a hidden place she puts the bicycle by a tree,
takes off all her clothes and lies down. Then she asks me to take whatever I
want. So I took this bicycle." "Good decision", nods the Sikh in approval, "
the clothes would have been useless anyway".

JOKE No., 2.

A person from sub-continent after living in USA for many years returns to his
native country. At the airport his brother is there to recieve him. They both
get into the car to go to their home. On the way, the desi brother recieves the
call of nature. He just stops the car and passes water (urinates) by the side
of the road. American return is very astonished. When his desi brother comes
back, he asks him, "Doesn't the police hold (for doing this) ?". The desi
 brother is   more than astonished in return and replies, "Oh no brother in 
our wrethched country you have to hold "it" yourself."

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mughal@romeo.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: national language
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:36:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.115623.16167@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan) writes...
>In article <samaddar.711750061@dumbo> samaddar@siemens.com writes:
>>ahasan@cae.wisc.edu (Ali Hasan) writes:
>>
>>>	Faarsee was the language of the Mughal courts, Urdu was perpetuated 
>>>	and supported by Firangis to try to take muslims away from their
>>>	ruling past.
>>
>>Are you recommending Faarsee as the national language of Pakistan to take
>>muslims back to their ruling past? Incidentally, how many Pakistanis have
>>ancestors that were part of this ruling past? I mean, a high officer in the
	:)

>>army, a governor of a province, etc.
>>
>>Sumitro
> 
>	My my... aren't we paranoid ;-)
>	I don't think any of my ancestors were "rulers", I don't care
	:)	

>	even if they were, what is important is what *I* am, which,
>	unfortuanately :-( is not much.
	===============================

		aww... don't be so hard on yourself :)
> 
>						--ali.
> 
>-- 
>**********************************************************************
>* Ali Hasan			Computer Aided Engineering	     *
>* ahasan@cae.wisc.edu		UW-Madison.			     *
>**********************************************************************

Asim Mughal
[Standard Disclaimer]
From: alis@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Salman Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Hockey News Anybody?
Keywords: Olympic Event
Date: 30 Jul 92 10:55:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Jul30.105517.14090
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

In article <30JUL199200175541@iago.caltech.edu> mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL) writes:
>In article <2428@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>, waseemak@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Waseem M. A. Khan) writes...
>>Thanx in advance
>>Ciao,
>>Waseem m. Khan
>     If you can wait a few hours, I am putting it in the next newsletter
>     of Pakistan News Service. 
>     Asim Mughal
>     [Standard Disclaimer]

	Also, as some people do not know yet, I would like to remind
	you (Mr. Waseem) and others that there is a newsgroup
	called
			rec.sport.hockey.field

	It contains latest news on field hockey. And nowadays, it contains
	olympic scores. Besides that you can find out other interesting
	info.

	Salman Ali
From: naina@eng.umd.edu ('Mohammed Rafay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Interest/Financing cars and homes
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:05:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Jul24.160546.11242
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: naina@delorean.eng.umd.edu

Assalam alekum,

I have a question and a doubt if anyone can calrify it I would really
aprreciate their help and may Allah reward them for their help.

My question is about interest or financing of cars and homes.
Is it okay if you buy a car from a dealer with financing? I know that
I will be paying interest but, one of the brothers said that don't 
look at it from the interest point of view think that the car costs 
so much and that you are paying that in installments. 

I have a car which is pretty old and constantly giving me trouble 
and I end paying the mechanic quite a bit and also the inconvience to
my work. I was looking towards buying a new car cause if I buy a used
car again it may also start giving trouble after some time and I can't
afford to buy a new car cash down. Can anyone please advise me what to
do or is there any Islamic organization out here that gives interest
free loans or do auto financing?

My other question is mortage on houses is it advisable to pay the 
mortage and own the home or just pay the rent and never own it.

I know interest is haram in Islam but what is a guy supposed to do 
under these conidtions. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
May Allah reward you for your help.

 Wasalam alekum.

Your brother in Islam 

Rafay Mohammed.
(naina@lotus.eng.umd.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: cscc13@homer.cc.uh.edu (Naveed Iqbal)
Subject: please ignore
Reply-To: alt.binaries.pictures.erotica
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:02:52 GMT

nothing here
From: merchant@davidsys.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: fatwa for today
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:03:13 PST
Organization: DAVID Systems Inc, Sunnyvale CA

In article <21JUL199216422208@vxcrna.cern.ch>, mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.131937.28610@linus.mitre.org>, m21757@mitre.org (G) writes...
>>In article <1992Jul21.062422.18946@leland.Stanford.EDU> 
>>arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>>>       after the tensions in peshawar.
>>>         all religious tension between shia's and sunni's must cease.
>>>         therefore i ask my followers and brothers and bhabi's
>>> 
>>>                 all sunni men should marry shia women
>>>                 and all shia women should marry sunni men.
>>>                                                                 17:6:92
>>    
>>   So does this mean that shia men should not mary sunni women?
>> 
> 
>   	All muslim women marry a non-muslim. I am sure you will
>         have more fun with them.

I hope you meant all muslim men marry non-muslim, even in jest.  
There are limitations even in humor, and a muslim woman marrying
a non-muslim invalidates her marriage.  In other words, she is living
in sin.  And if she is married to a muslim who later declares himself
to be non-muslim, she is obligated to leave the marriage as her
marriage to him becomes invalid. 

-Rukhsana Merchant

> 
> Mirza Ilyas
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: durrani@seas.gwu.edu (DaaQoo)
Subject: Logic of Innocence
Originator: durrani@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:28:47 GMT



	These are true jokes. Cannot be translated. Sorry for those
	who cannot follow:

	Happened in school years:

	i:

	Teacher: Complete the couplet @
	Hazaaro'N saal narguis apni bay noori pay roti ha

	Student: PhHir mar jaati ha

	ii:

	Teacher: What is meant by "daal mei'N kuchH kaala hona"
	student: makhHi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: yasin@laser.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yasin)
Subject: Re: Islamic World News and False Claims.
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:01:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.130310.10200@bernina.ethz.ch> nadeem@igpho (Nadeem Malik) writes:
>jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>: It might not be very relevant to what we have here. There is an interesting

........stuff deleted
...................
>: Pakistan, applied for visas for the two countries. They have apparently 
>: Canadian, British, and Pakistani citizenships. They had considerable 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Pakistan allows its citizens to be the citizens of Britian and Canada,
 surprisingly this is not the case with United States, i.e. if you become
 a US Citizen, then legally you cannot be a Pakistani citizen too.
 
>: trouble getting visa for India, even though they had applied on the basis
>: of their Canadian citizenship. From what I have been explained, it appears
>: that even if you were _once_ a Pakistani citizen, your application has to
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 It is more important where you are BORN, any Pakistan born persons files will
 be sent to India if he/she applies for visa. That is why the column in passport
 saying PLACE OF BIRTH exists on most of countries.


 Yasin.
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: First Pakistani MD-PhD!!!!!
Date: 27 Jul 92 00:26:03 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


   At the dawn of my prodigious career from city of medicine, Durham
(NC), I had the signal honor of meeting with the first Pakistani
MD-PhD. Dr.^2 Syed Hassan Shah, MD-PhD, presented his phenomenal
research with style and grace. In my brief, but memorable, encounter
with Dr.^2 Shah, I was amazed by his brilliant achievements as well as
dynamic (and humble) personality. It gives me tremendous pleasure,
motivation, and inspiration to see eminent young Pakistani scholar
with such impressive track record of colossal achievements, which
eclipse most self-proclaimed pseudo-intellectuals spending a life of
self-congratulatory delusion.  Dr.^2 Shah sets the standards for young
medical professionals, and exceeds them himself. 

   Dr.^2 Shah is going places, and his next stop is New England
Medical Center.

	   Salman [unusually impressed] Azhar

-- 
"To have loved and lost is better than to have won.... For, the burden
of victory has to be shouldered throughout life, and all losses rest
easy in the insatiable abyss called grave." 
--- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar CS Dept Duke U  azhar@cs.duke.edu
From: zubairas@pollux.usc.edu (Zubair Asad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Some Job Opennings in Pakistan ....
Date: 21 Jul 1992 12:18:03 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

=======================================================================
Dear Pakistanis,

Below please find a list of current Job Opennings in Pakistan. This is
the result of some deligent efforts by a sincere Pakistani/American.
We realized that --- currently there are so many Pakistanis ( who are
setteled aborad for years) who wants to go back to homeland.  These 
well-educated Pakistanis want to do something for their country --- but
most of them are just scared about their future in homeland.  Their
hesitation is justified .... as in the absence of Research Labs, 
High-tech Industries and a lack of sound Econo-Political infrastructure 
are few to mention.

However we think that the conditions are gradually improving and one
should seriously considers the option of going back to Pakistan.  
From now on, you will see a series of posting on this subject on s.c.p.

Finally I would like to request all well-wishers of Pakistan to contribute
to this activity.  If you have some innovative ideas/suggestions please 
do not hesitate to post it on s.c.p (although you can forward it to author's
e-mail address also)  From now on we are keeping track of your ideas ...
Hope to hear from you soon.

Best regards,

-Zubair Asad
 zubairas@polux.usc.edu

========================================================================
                        Job Listing  (Pakistan)         #1
========================================================================

[ mail-header deleted .... I don't know if he wants to show his identity
  although I will include later, if he wants ]

/* Begin Message*/

  Following is the summary of the job openings as advertised
  in DAWN of Karachi dated Friday July 10, 1992. Good Luck.

  For details please try to access a copy of the News Paper.

  Career           Experience       Company        City
                   Required
  ======================================================

  Administrative   10 years         United         Islamabad
  Officer                           Nations
                                    Development
                                    Program


  Mechanical       Fresh Grad.      c/o Dawn       Punjab
  Engineer         w/ I class


  Accounts         10 years         c/o DAWN       ?




Allah Hafiz,

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