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From: jpj@hutcs.cs.hut.fi (Juha Jalovaara)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Chiropractors and the UPA
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:58:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.disc
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <fbdhbh1f@csv.warwick.ac.uk> esrgl@warwick.ac.uk (Mr S J Sheppard) writes:
>In article <3462@sapwdf.UUCP> Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> writes:
>>
>>  well, this is something the europeans haven't quite picked up from
>>  the americans--time between points is never enough for my old lungs.
>>
>>  however, the reason for this is that in america, games are to 19 or
>>  21 with no time limit and can go hours (right?), whereas in europe games are
>>  limited to about 13 points or 30-55 minutes (no space for lots of
>>  fields, doncha know.)
>>
>>Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> <sapwdf!wohler>
>>Heidelberg Red Barons Ultimate Frisbee Team
>
>In the UK our games usually last between 90-150 minutes or to 17-25 points. 
>Games being capped to 2 points if time is up before the required points total 
>is reached! Our National tournament is planning to have games of about 2hrs, 
>with 2 or 3 games a day for three days. Great fun!
>
>Personally, I think any outdoor game should last more than an hour at the 
>least, since some people/teams take a long time to really get going.
>
>Steve Sheppard
>Warwick Bears
>Ultimate and Golf

Finnish national outdoor series is also always played to regulation 21 points,
although we play only one game a day.  I agree with Steve that games should
be long enough for endurance to be demonstrated also.

Juha Jalovaara
The Team, Helsinki
From: ziskin@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov (Daniel C. Ziskin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Ultimate on Video
Keywords: VIDEO
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:38:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: nsisrv.1992Apr6.213820.19340
Organization: Climate and Radiation Branch

I'm posting this on behalf of John Capozzi - prime plastic supplier to 
the Federal City area...

There are 3 videos available:

1) THE ULTIMATE EXPERIENCE   (45 min)
		a 'how to play the game' style documentary produced in 
        Hollywood, narrated by Rob Weller from Entertainment Tonight.
        Most action footage is from the World Championships in
        Toronto (JULY 1991).

2) MEN'S FINAL - World Championships July 1991 (Toronto)  (90 min)
		New York, NY vs. Big Brother
		Time between the points has been edited out.

3) WOMEN'S FINAL - World Championships July 1991 (Toronto)  (90 min)
		Lady Godiva vs. Maineiacs
		Time between the points has been edited out.
          

All three of these videos will be shown at an open extravaganza event:

Tuesday May 12 from 7-11pm at Champions in Georgetown (Washington,DC).

For more information call (during normal business hours)
      John Capozzi  202-544-0821

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From: v111pwgw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ALEX ZELVIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: top 20
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     The solution to the problem of teams not calling in scores promptly
seems fairly simple.  Since the date of each game is known, the top-20
should be recompiled from start to finish each week.  This would make it 
so that a team calling in scores a month late would eventually end up
with the same rating as if they had called in the scores on time.  
     The only possible disadvantage to this system is that by the end of
the season, the list would have to be recompiled over a hundred times per
week instead of just twenty.  Also, it might encourage teams to be even
less prompt about calling in scores. 
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From: ppichler@tu-graz.ac.at (Peter Pichler)
Subject: request:training/systems
Organization: IICM, Graz University of Technology, Austria
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:50:03


Who can post material on:

   * Training methods/exercises for Ultimate
   * New offence/defence systems

to this newsgroup or directly to me (ppichler@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at)

                               Thanx, Peter B^)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: trb@ima.isc.com (Andrew Tannenbaum)
Subject: Re: You have a point there, but (maybe you should wear a hat to cover it)...
Organization: Interactive Systems, Cambridge, MA 02138-5302
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:13:22 GMT

In article <rjg.703350041@guinan> rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith) writes:
> Whamo says: Flat flip flies straight. Angled flip curves. 

Nope.  (I hope I remember this.)

	To fly, flip away backhanded.
	Flat flip flies straight.
	Tilted flip curves.  Experiment.

Tell your children!

(was the patent #3354678?  I haven't played disc for about 10 years.)

> This information is not available on DiscCraft products. I wonder why??

Because you have to print this mantra on the bottom of the disc for it
to have the beneficial transcendental/manicurial effect, and DC isn't
funky enough to grok this.  If an attempt to delay a slicked virgin disc
doesn't rip your nails out by the roots, what the hell good is it?

Speaking of DiscCraft, I have a few boxes of the original 119 knockoffs
that they made in various colors (back around 1977).  I had one of
those little DC keyring fobs, I kept it with my keys for many years,
till it wore out.  These were discs about an inch across, complete
with hotstamp.  They mixed the pigment into the plastic by hand,
getting this (unintentional) marble effect.  Remember these?

Not to mention other goofy discs of that era, like those dense dark
blue British jobs (Silver Surfers or something), Italian Super Pro
knockoffs, '70s's WFDC sets, etc.  Do people collect these days?

	Andrew Tannenbaum   Interactive   Cambridge, MA   +1 617 661 7474
	disc player emeritus
From: pbrown@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Disc Golf -- baskets and rules???
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:56:04 GMT
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.

Hey All!

  Some guys at work are talking about welding some disc golf baskets,
but naturally we'll need to know the actual size these puppies are
supposed to be.  Anyone got the specs?  

  Also, I'd like to get my hands on the rules for disc golf -- does
someone have these on line?  I know about the ultimate rules, and
have those, but don't have anything on golf, 'cept what's in my head,
and since I haven't played that much, I can't rely on that too well at
this point.

Thanks in advance,

--Paul
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From: richard@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Richard Dubois)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: scoober??
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:16:49 GMT
Reply-To: richard@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Richard Dubois)
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center


 Thanks for the scoober description. I was taught this throw by one of the (Palo
 Alto) Spin Doctors while we were whiling away time watching the last Regionals.
 I didn't know it had a name. Nice to be in the forefront of Ultimatery!

 Richard
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: srb2r@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Scott Richard Brittain)
Subject: college postings
Reply-To: srb2r@helga9.acc.Virginia.EDU (Scott Richard Brittain)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:45:56 GMT

	Eric,

		You asked for college postings so here you go.

		At Ultimax in Greenville, NC on April 4 & 5 :

			Virginia 13	East Carolina 8
			( ECU had an alumni playing but we let it slide )

			Virginia 13	St Marys, MD 2

			UNC-Wilmington 15	Virginia 10


		I know that Navy and NC State were also at this tournament,
	but do not know if they played any college only games.

	Have a nice day.

	Scott Brittain	Virginia Men's CAPT
			and someone wondering where this rash came from?

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From: Ben Fulton <fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Seedings
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:17:15 -0500

In <702320414.F00005@blkcat.UUCP> Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon) writes:

>Yes, the UPA is going to decide seedings, possibly next week - although 
>the discussion might be limited only to this year's college division.
>Seedings have not been done subjectively in the past.  In fact, there are
>generally two methods - one based on the previous year's finish, and the
>other based on captains voting.

What's wrong with doing it subjectively?  My suggestion (and this is for
a highly structured tournament like nationals, of course) would be to ask
the team captains to submit a ranking of all the teams going to the tournament,
assign (say) 12 pts for each first place, 11 for each 2nd, and so on, and
taking the total scores as the seeding.  Now, with only 12 teams, there might
be some collusion to screw some team over, but maybe some larger base of
polls would do the trick.

BTW, Hi to Ed Durkee's friends in Iowa, and Rich Hollingsworth's friends
in Pennsylvania!

ben
fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
right here, right now
there is no other place I'd rather be!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Subject: Re: sotg and  real loud stall counts
Reply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:33:52 GMT


In article <12536@umd5.umd.edu> tkerner@lab4.smcm.edu (Thomas W. Kerner) writes:
>	At a recent tourney a certain player (me) was called into question  
>for employing particularly loud stall counts (loud enough to startle  
>anyone within 50 yds. or so and to be heard several blocks away I am  
>told).

I also count very loud. I don't really try to scream, but I'm just a
naturally loud person (couldn't you guess). I wouldn't accept anyone's
criticism that this was in violation of the SOTG. I count loud (a) to
make sure my teammates hear it and (b) to make sure both I and the
thrower (and everyone else) is clear that it's a steady, fair count.

Yelling the last two counts as someone suggested seems to be more
likely to startle the thrower. Also, your teammates need to know
what's up before the count gets to 8.

George
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From: cradle@wam.umd.edu (Dave Eisner)
Newsgroups: um.general,rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Univ. Maryland Ultimate Team?
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:40:47 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park

In article <52760@mimsy.umd.edu> young@umiacs.umd.edu (Neal Young) writes:
>Has the University of Maryland team started again?  
>
>If so, where and when are the practices?  
>
>Thanks,
>
>Neal Young <young@umiacs.umd.edu>
>
>

Yes, the team has started up again.  Don't quote me, but I believe the new
name is Maryland UFO (Ultimate Frisbee Organization).
 
  The person to contact is Doug Wilson (dallen@wam.umd.edu or 314-5647).
I would have had him post this article, but he is currently rather ill.

						--Dave
From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Columbia HS
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 13:00:38 -0500

 DRW> Eric Simon, in last year's Thanksgiving Game, the alumni beat the
 DRW> ultimate team, not the reverse.  If anyone would like to contact the
 
Well I'll be.  That'll teach me to make assumptions.  Tell me what happenned! 
We (the alumni) were losing by five or six, I seem to recall, towards the end,
and then my young cousin, who I brought to the game, couldn't stand the cold any
more.  Since I thought the game was a goner, and that I wasn't going to play any
more (the problems of being on a team with 40+ players), I thought the
youngsters were going to rack up another win.  Did us oldsters pull it out?  Let
us know the details.
 
On another from, Joe Studholme, who usually reads this, was thinking about
reserving fields for a N.J.State H.S.Championhips.  Probably the second or third
weekend in May - would you guys be interested?  Could you make it down to
Princeton?  Do you know of other NJ HS's that are playing this spring?
 
Drop me a message at 70540.1522@compuserve.com, and we'll flesh out some
details.
 
Thanks,
    Eric
From: cs132093@cs.brown.edu (Mark "?" Prince)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: the Flying Aces
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:23:16
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Brown University
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In-reply-to: jp@moscom.UUCP's message of 14 Apr 92 11:38:23 GMT

jp@moscom.UUCP (Jim Palmeri) writes:
?> bn442@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc S. Queen) writes:
?> >
?> >Has anyone seen the pro frisbee team from Someplace, Michigan called
?> >the Flying Aces?.....
?>
?> >...........  It cost the University $400 for this 2 hour frisbee show.
?> >Is this a bargain or a steal?
?>
?> If this is the group led by Brian Hayes, it is a super bargain.  Their
?> show is outstanding.   Brian has been doing this line of work since 1976,
?> and his experience comes through loud and clear.  Don"t miss it.
?>
?> Jim P.

	I am a mediocre, but learning Ultimate Player, who wants to
learn much better disc control over the summer when I am back in
Michigan.  I get hints from the guys on my team, but I don't have
their support over the summer, and want to keep active.  Any ideas?

		Mark P.

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From: evh@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Troy Saville)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: how strong is a disc?
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:13:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: genie.1992Apr6.211319.12414
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences

>In message <1992Apr3.232727.12866@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> on 3 Apr 92 23:27:27 GMT Marc S. Queen asks:
>
> has anyone else out there ever seen someone rip a mint-condition 165
> in half with no trouble whatsoever?

I'd like to see someone rip a new lightning golf disc in half.
Or better yet, and old style dga gumbputt.
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From: taernst@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ted Ernst)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: seeding and spirit
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:19:59 GMT
Organization: Clockwork Orange Ultimate
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr10.043700.13784@cs.columbia.edu> pds@cs.columbia.edu (Peter D. Skopp) writes:
>
>Regarding seeding, and the suggestions to incorporate spirit of the game into
>seeding....
>
>How could you support seeding by spirit, and end up with Wilmington being
>seeded last at every tournament they go to, even though they have more or
>less the same team that almost won Nationals last year?
>
That's the whole point.  If a given team doesn't play with Spirit, it is
cheating (page 1 of the 9th edition) and should be treated accordingly.
If we value Spirit of the Game at all we should at least consider this
"off the wall" proposal.  I like it.  Nice guys should get seeded first.
Call it an equilizer.

ted
Clockwork Orange Ultimate
Go Ho!
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From: FA.TJM@forsythe.stanford.edu (thom mckean)
Subject: Re: sotg and  real loud stall counts
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:41:48 GMT

In article <12536@umd5.umd.edu>,
tkerner@lab4.smcm.edu (Thomas W. Kerner) writes:
>
>        At a recent tourney a certain player (me) was called into
>question for employing particularly loud stall counts (loud enough
>to startle anyone within 50 yds. or so and to be heard several
>blocks away I am told).  I must admit also that standing as close
>as legally possible to someone and screaming a stall count in his
>face works incredibly well, so well, in fact, that my
>spirit-of-the-game was called into question.  I felt badly
>about this, as I am someone who endeavors to take the
>spirit-of-the-game very seriously.
>        After having been questioned, I stopped, and resumed a
>more normal volume for my stall counts.  I would like to know what
>others think as to the sotg-ness of the loud count.  Until I hear
>further, I am suspending the use of it.

If I am not mistaken, UPA rules allow for an offensive player to
call a foul if a defensive player shouts at or similarly distracts
the offensive player, thereby causing him/her to not catch the disc.

I would think the same rule would apply in this situation.  Ultimate
is set up to highlight the physical abilities and actions of the
players.  A tight, intense (though not physically obtrusive) mark
with use of the eyes, ears, arms, and legs characterizes the best
defenses I've seen.  Relying on a "loud" (and hence distracting and
obtrusive) count would take away from the game's emphasis on the
physical.

Thom McKean
fa.tjm@forsythe.stanford.edu
Stanford University Center for
Physical Research in Penmanship and Spelling

>Tom Kerner, St. Mary's SMUT
                        ^^^^
What is this?  Stanford's men's team is so god-like that St. Mary's
has named its team the "St. Mary's Stanford Men's Ultimate Team?"
Hell, I guess if they beat Iguana...:-)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Rules questions
From: dnolan@husc10.harvard.edu (David Nolan)
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:55:16 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <2222@transfer.stratus.com> scooter@hirgon.hw.stratus.com (Scott Jeffrey) asks about:
>
>	-The one where a disc comes to rest on a player's chest (or was
>	it his back?), and his mark snatches it up.  Who's disc is it
>	really?
>
>	-The one where a receiver takes his/her time walking back to
>	the line after a long pull.
>
>	-The one where a defensive player can make a play on an out-of-
>	bounds disc (to make sure it _stays_ out of bounds), but an
>	offensive player can't.
>                         

The answer to almost all rules questions are clear if you take the time
to read the rules carefully.  In regards to the first question, the rules
say:  "the receiver gains posession by sustained contact with a non-spinning
disc."  Therefore having a disc lying on your chest or back is considered
posession by the rules as they are presently written. 

The rules do not have specific statements about "delaying" the game, so of
course the spirit of the game applies.  There is nothing wrong with plainly
walking slowly, especially after a pull, because everyone is going to be set up
where they would like to be anyway. If you don't like it when teams do this,
don't pull it 20 yards out of the end zone in the first place. If a player 
with the disc, or approaching the disc, stops, or walks ridiculously slowly, 
you may give a "stall warning," wait three seconds, and then start stalling.

Anyone may go out of bounds to play the disc.  However, once the disc touches
a player who is out of bounds, the disc is then out of bounds (in the 
turnover sense) so it doesn't help an offensive player to go out.  The rules
counter the defenses advantage with this caveat:  if they do make a play on
the disc out of bounds, they have to take it back in bounds on the field 
nearest to the play - NOT where it went out of bounds.  

Dave Nolan	(Occasional Rule-monger)
Harvard - ODYSCEUS
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Subject: hello from new zealand
From: trills@matai.vuw.ac.nz
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:31:02 GMT
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington,  NZ

Just a note to let people know that this email address can be used to contact
players in NZ, to find out about NZ tournaments and to contact the NZFDA.

Happy hucking,

Judi Lapsley
trills@matai.vuw.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: evh@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Troy Saville)
Subject:  more on World's Biggest disc golf 'tournament' & golf disc list
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:45:04 GMT


I recently received a list containing sites that the World's
Biggest Disc Golf 'tournament(s)' is being held at.
The list contains contacts/phone#'s for more than 40 states and
9 other countries(besides USA). If you need some info, send me email.

I also made some corrections to my golf disc list. If i get enough
mail, I will repost the current list. The current list contains
77 'different'  golf discs. I have included all of the current
lightning discs and all that i can remember from the past(these
weren't in the last list I posted).
Thanks to some of the people who sent me in corrections.

I am also working a course listing directory for the mid-atlantic disc club.
This will be much more detailed than the PDGA course listing book.
Including real directions, descriptions, contacts etc. After I get it
done, i plan to send it to the appropriate PDGA people so that they can
consider coming out with a better version of their course
listings book. If you can think of some info you would like to see in 
my version, send me email. Hopefully(if i find the time and get the money
for the hardware) i plan to come out with a multi-media type program
to run on an ibm PC(pictures, maybe sound).

  Troy
  evh@genie.slhs.udel.edu


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From: skoehler@loquat.usc.edu (steffen koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: SMUT (was: Re: sotg and  real loud stall counts)
Date: 14 Apr 1992 16:56:31 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: loquat.usc.edu
Keywords: SMUT

>
>>Tom Kerner, St. Mary's SMUT
>                        ^^^^
>What is this?  Stanford's men's team is so god-like that St. Mary's
>has named its team the "St. Mary's Stanford Men's Ultimate Team?"
>Hell, I guess if they beat Iguana...:-)

There are lots of SMUT's.  We used to be Santa Monica Ultimate Team
I've also heard of the Smokey Mountain Ultimate Tournament (Knoxville)
and the Smithsonian Mall Ultimate Team.

Any other SMUT's out there?

            Steffen Koehler
            L.A. Smog

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