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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:54:46 GMT
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Matthew Simmons (zarthac@bradley.edu) wrote:
: :
: : Read it again, Robert -- the whole thing, not just the part you underlined.
: : What I'm pointing out as a Windows advantage is the functionality it has for
: : supporting great applications -- functionality such as device independence
: : and OLE, not the great applications themselves.  If you just let the brain
: : catch up with the "F" finger, perhaps we could have avoided this.
:
: Squirm, Squirm, Wiggle, Wiggle  *WHAP*... No more Jerry...
:

Running out of things to say, Matthew?
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From: suopanki@stekt7.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki)
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Reply-To: suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia
	<1993Jan19.195658.29400@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
	<10546@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:39:01 GMT

>>>>> On 21 Jan 93 10:05:06 GMT, peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) said:

>: >Peter, it is YOU who needs to get informed.  There is no "flat" memory mode
>: >on the x86, although it can be simulated by using a single large segment.
>:
>: I really apologize to have given misinformation. Anyone wonder where I did
>: get this false info from? Well, from the honest Jerry S., in the times
>: where he told the world that the x86 is far superior to the 680x0 processors
>
>You're lying, Peter.  

Peter> I'm not. Enough people here have read what you said then. Don't try such a
Peter> cheap escape.

You are lying, Peter. 
Jerry never said x86 is far superior to  680x0.

-Heikki
From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon makes its debut
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:16:25 GMT
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Tim Ciceran (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA) wrote:

: From all indications, the 3210 is indeed the DSP of choice, although
: items such as speech synthesis, compression etc. will likely come in
: the form of 'personality boards' which would be added to the basic
: system. 

Ah, that's why the old speech synthesis is gone...

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From: dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again* Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:54:21 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA
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In article <1993Jan23.011451.8806@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>Heh heh, it is posts such as these that make c.s.a.a. worthwhile.

I'm not sure if that's a compliment or not ;)

>>Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
>                                                   ... but you soon *will* be!

Now what iszat supposed to mean?

David C. Navas						dnavas@oracle.com
Working for, but not speaking on behalf of, Oracle Corp.
From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:06:34 -0500
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
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jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>:   By your logic chainsaws should be banned because they're a dangerous short
>: cut compared with a manually operated handsaw.

>Not at all.  By my logic, people should be discouraged from using chainsaws
>for slicing pizza and cutting their nails.  Do you see the difference?

  Yes, you're confusing the *application* of a tool with *using* it.

  There is nothing inherently dangerous with slicing a pizza with a chainsaw
so long as you operate it correctly.  Applying it in this manner is about as
brilliant as using a goto to emulate a switch() construct though.

  Basically, you can use the wrong tool to accomplish a job, so long as you
still use it correctly.  You can't accomplish anything though, even with the
proper tool if you don't operate it right.

  That's the difference, Jerry.  Do *you* understand?

  -jack-
From: jdemers@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM Announces Price Cuts on A4000/A1200dir
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:02:15 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1993Jan22.022313.9007@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes: 
> 	My car has a range of 500 miles on a 25 gallon tank. Most cars
> have 12-15 gallons and get a range of 350 miles. Electric cars are pushing
> 250-300 miles in range today. With new quick charge batteries, induction
> recharging, and hybrid engines, your car range has been extended to thousands
> and thousands of miles.
> 
> 	Recent batteries recharge in minutes to 50%. Hybrid engines contain
> small gas engines, such as a one cylinder engine which could recharge the
> batteries or work in conjunction with it. Induction is a method where
> the recharging system is implanted within the road surface such that cars
> are charged while they are driving, without the driver knowing it, and 
> without contact between the road and the car.
> 
> 	My car doesn't have 300 horsepower, and it doesn't do 0-60 in
> 4 seconds, but that last thing we need is reckless drivers anyway. :)
> Electric cars also achieve 80mph/ 130kmph with no problem. And they
> are very very quiet.
 The two things I have against just suddenly supporting electric cars is:
 One) the batterys on those cars use chemicals that are incredibly toxic, they
are harder to dispose of then car exhaust, which will be absorbed by trees and
recycled eventually. (At least the CO portion will be, the other chemicals I'd
have to look into I can't remember off the top of my head.)
 Two) Induction has its problems as well, mostly from the fact we still aren't
sure about the effects of magnetic fields on the body, such as the ones given
off by high tension wires.  Of course this is supposition that the induction
fields would be that strong, but it is something to look into before jumping in
and saying "Do it" also think about the problem of placing the coils, major
road work.

 Personally, I'd look for a fuel-cell type solution, most fuel-cell systems are
very clean if I remember correctly.

   -Jon Demers
 
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From: MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark 'Mark' Sachs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Fruitcakes and Politicians, was Electric cars and Al Gore
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:49:50 GMT
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy

In article <1993Jan28.014358.18238@usl.edu>, das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson
Daniel A) says:

>Does the word 'fruitcake' come to mind here?

Mmmmm! Fruitcake! Yum. 'Specially with cherries...

Oh, Al Gore. Well, actually the word that comes to mind is "mahogany". The
problem is of course that there's nothing for the vice-president to actually
_do_... so Al will have a boring eight years, although at least he'll get
to become President afterwards for another eight, 'zat answer your
question? :-)

As for Sam Nunn, however, the word "weasel" comes to mind.

ObAdvocacy: The 3DO machine calculates vectors faster than the Iris Indigo,
has more CPU power than a Cray II, costs less than a Sinclair ZX-81, moves
faster than a bullet train, leaps tall buildings in a single bound and will
bring about eternal peace and the rebirth of the entire human race on a higher
plane of existence.

     "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets."
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 29 Jan 93 01:12:06 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

gromyko@sputnik.rhein-main.de (Michael Grom) writes:

>In article <1993Jan26.153419.23402@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>> David Meiklejohn (davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au) wrote:
>> :
>[..]
>> : The naive Amiga already has the tools to make effective use of
>> : his computer, without resorting to third parties.  While, the more advanced
>> : Amiga users can make use of third party products to further improve what is
>> : already a quality environment.
>> :
>>
>> Does the Amiga come with a word processor?  Terminal program?  Card filer?
>> All these things come with Windows (which is bundled with most PC's these
>> days).
>This stuff is nothing MS can be proud of. 'Write' is a miserable excuse of a
>word processor, so better leave it on its own and get a better one.
>Terminal and Card file aren't much better.

yeah, I agree with Jerry... MS-Windows is soooooo much better.  It comes
with all those nifty goodies... I almost drooled over the solitare game
that comes with it... ohh... I wish Commodore would bundle a card game
just like MS would... 


<grin>


:) :) sorry, couldn't help it.

--Kelvin
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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga?
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:23:35 GMT

gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>Evan:
>	If we're GOING to be stuck with parallel processing, let's at
>LEAST do it with a Viking/SuperSPARC architecture.  :)

  No thank you.  Why on earth would I want to saddle my machine with
those slow, delayed (just when are those 50MHz versions coming out??),
lagging behind everybody else SuperSPARCs, when I could stick the 2
or 3 times as fast Alphas in there?

  The SPARC is to the RISC world as Intel is to the CISC world.

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From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: MAC, PC or Amiga?
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:14:21 GMT
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Stephenson Daniel A (das9674@ucs.usl.edu) wrote:

: Would you poeple PLEASE stop  acting like you can stuff a Quadra
: and mega-486 into your Amigas, willy nilly! 

What? Fitting an AMAX-II in the A4000 gives me the speed of a Quadra
700, and fitting a GoldenGate 486SLC in my Amiga gives me the speed
of a 486SX. Good enough for me.

And still there's only one computer on my desk...

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From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Game content Re: PCheads go *thud* Re: Amigan-whalloping Re: An Amigan does it *again*
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:05:39 GMT



     All this talk about UU has reminded me of something:

     Isn't the guy who wrote the graphics engine behind it now doing OS
development at Commodore?



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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:16:59 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.063544.6806@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.221405.13555@ra.msstate.edu>, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan24.114650.6763@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>> 
>> <my grumbling about Clone keyboards deleted>
>> 
>>>	Speaking of keyboards, some clones I've used have the absolutely
>>>	worst piece of shit keyboards.  Fortunatly, the Amiga keyboards are
>>>	pretty nice.  What is a decent quality keyboard for a clone?
>> 
>> Alot of people really like the Gateway keyboards, but they seem to be the
>> size of an aircraft carrier deck.  I use Magitronic keyboards at work, and
>> we often refer to them as "Maggot-Ronics"...  :-)
>> 
>> They have a nice feel to them, but I really don't like the "clickety-clack"
>> noise that they make when the keys are pressed.  Apparently Clone users need
>> this sort of tactile feedback so that they can feel as if they are really
>> doing some sort of work.  :-)
>
>	The keyboard I use at work is irritating to say the least.  The
>	keys have a spongy feel that gets your fingers tired.  The keys all
>	seem grouped wrong, such that your're always hitting the wrong one.
>	I will try to be more specific if this thread continues.

I've used a few of these myself.  While I hate the noise that many Clone
keyboards make, I do not like a mushy keyboard either.  As for groupings
of keys, I prefer keyboards with layouts similar to those found on the
US model Amiga A2000, A500, A3000, and A4000.  Although I am not positive,
I believe that the A1200 uses the same keyboard as is found in Europe, with
the extra keys next to [Return] and left [Shift].  The Sun keyboards are
similar to this and I do not like this layout much at all because I am
always hitting the extra key instead of [Return].

>> My biggest gripe with nearly all Clone keyboards, which I've stated before,
>> is the position of the [Ctrl] key.  I often hit the [Caps Lock] key instead
>> and usually mutter a silent (sometimes not so silent) curse.  Also, the 
>> position of the [Ctrl] key is such that I have to unnaturally twist and/or
>> move my hand to hit it.  
>
>	What about the [ALT] key?  That seems to get in the way often?

Hmm, not really for me.  On the keyboard I use at work, [Ctrl] is where the
[Alt] is on the Amiga and [Alt] is where the left Amiga key should be.  This
is not too bad, but I do occasionally hit [Ctrl] when I mean [Alt].

>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization **

BTW, Fred, don't you have an A4000?  I've found the keyboard on mine to be
nicer than the one on my A3000, but I don't know if it is more a factor of
it being newer or something else.

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

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From: brucef@shell.portal.com (Bruce M Franklin)
Subject: A3000 AGA Upgrade?
Summary: A possible upgrade for the A3000
Keywords: AGA A3000
Organization: Portal Communications Company
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:12:45 GMT

The latest issue of Amiga Computing has a brief news item about
an AGA upgrade for the A3000.  Commodore and a third party are
said to be working together to produce it.  No other detail are
available.  Has anybody else heard about it?

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From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:09:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.183645.21702@usl.edu> das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

[ ]
>
>Well, IBM's PS/2 keyboards are really nice.  Too bad IBM doesn't make a 
>non-PS/2 version of them... ie,they only fit in PS/2s.

Lexmark, which makes them, will sell you a keyboard for a clone (i.e. a real
true keyboard). Phone them up.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: IBM NO LONGER #1?
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:20:08 GMT
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Robert Fentiman (rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan22.213633.16890@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
: >
: >	Apparantly Microsoft has bypassed IBM and has become the largest 
: >retailer of computer products (RE: CNN last night).
: I also hear that Microsoft is under investigation for monopolization
: practices.  Imagine Microsoft going the way of AT+T, still big, not as

However, AT&T is still kicking ass and taking names...

: big as before, and you have 2 other major compeditors.  Who knows what
: competition might bring (like actually having companies of this caliber
: making stuff for the Amiga?).

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From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Move
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:24:24 -0500
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skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

>Ugh, I'll pass then.  Maybe someone will write a shell for OS/2 and WinNT
>to provide them with the standard slash.

  Throwing out an entire OS because of the choice of '\' for a subdirectory
seperator?  If I didn't know better this sounds like a forged post by
Jerry himself! ;-)

  Anyways, the backslash isn't that inconvient, most of the better PC
keyboards locate that key to the right side of the right shift key so
that the forward slash is to the left and the backslash is to the right,
makes for fairly convienent command line keyboarding.

  There are some bizzaro locations on some keyboards though, but it's no
worse, maybe less in fact, then the location of the caps lock and CTRL
keys on a lot of keyboards.

  -jack-
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From: das9674@ucs.usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Move
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:08:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.191258.11339@ugle.unit.no> eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:
>Why did everybody except me know this?  Should I start *reading* my *manuals*?
>Surely not!
>
>Hmm...  Whoever started this thread is to be congratulated...  Oh wait, it was 
>das9674, wasn't it?  Amazing...  At LEAST half the posts to c.s.a.a are 'Re: Move'
>today.  Isn't it amazing what people will do to defend their slashes?  ;)

<bows>

Ahh, the admiration, the admiration... woo woo.

And while I'm at it, just what kind of characters does AmigaDOS *not* allow in
file and directory names?  Hmm.  Is there a way to get around to having spaces
in file and directory names? <insert rest of sentence here>

>-Eyvind
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