From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Conference, Sino-Tibetan Relations: Prospects for the future
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 09:53:48 GMT

In article <BvIJvA.oH@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (C. Richter) writes:
>***  To my dear debaters:  I am afraid that I cannot continue our 
>***  debates as I shall be busy for the next while.  I am only sorry 
>***  that Mr. Anonymous couldn't get back to me; he seemed to know 
>***  a thing or two.    
> 
>In article 1547 phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (su jianfeng):
>>The key is there are so many people in Western countries tell people in
>>developing countries, such as China, Czechoslavakia, Former Soviet
>>Union etc., about the right to self determination, but this right is not
>>quaranteed in most of the Western countries.  You can not find
>>the law which protest local people to have the right in most of the
>>Western countries.  To tell Chinese about the right to self-
>>determination is only a game of cheating.    Even majority of
>>people in Western countries do not accept the idea of the right
>>to self-determination.
> 
>Well, don't you think you are stooping a bit low here, calling me 
>a cheater?  The majority of Westerners are satisfied that the devolution 
>of the British, German, French, Portuguese, Belgian, Spanish, Dutch
>empires was right.  Colonies belonging to each to of these empires 
>were freed in the last 100 or so years.  Tibet is a colony of 
>China, and as such it should be released.  The Tibetan people have 
>expressed their desire to self-determination.

You did not show any evidence that people in Western countries have the
right to self-determination.

>>>I know.  Most people in the dominant position are uncomfortable with 
>>>any process which may lead to the giving up of powers to a minority.  
>>>Canadians too are uncomfortable.
>>
>>Why should China learn from Canada instead of Great Britain, Australia,
>>USA, Japan, Germany and Franch etc.?  
> 
>China can learn from whatever or whomever it wants.  That doesn't 
>change the fact that Tibetans want their freedom.

I know some of Tibetans want their freedom.  Why don't you ask them to
migrate to your country.

>>Would you please copy the text of the law for which you think it can
>>quarantee the aborigines to have the right to get back the land and show
>>the resource for the information.  The aborigines have only the right
>>which is quaranteed by law and they can not gotten any quarantee from
>>your words.
> 
>I would happy to provide the text, but I don't have a legal secretary 
>at my disposal just this instant.  About the suggestion that my 
>words might be construed as some sort of guarantee: don't worry, no 
>aborigine of Canada is pinning his or her wellbeing on my words.  

Yes, the key is to provide the text of the law.

>>Tell me your opinions about the British government used troops to keep
>>the land 'Northern Ireland'.  Why don't you teach people of UK the right
>>to self-determination?  Should I call you a racist?
> 
>Thanks for the suggestion, but wouldn't my opinions of the British 
>government, or of any other government, be a little out of place 
>in talk.politics.china?  

You can send to other news group.  Please tell me if you do so.  I am
interested in the response. 

>>>It is already happening.  It is fait accompli in some local areas. 
>>>When can the Tibetans expect their land back?
>>
>>Show your evidence.  Tell me what law can let the aborigines have the
>>right.  Tell me where is the law recorded, including name of the book
>>and page number etc.  I doubt you are sending blank cheques here.
> 
>Again, I would be happy to do so, but my legal secretary is out for 
>lunch.  Actually, if you insist, you can 
>check out the legal draft of the proposed Charlottetown accord that 
>is expected out shortly.  Since it is such a hot issue right now 
>there are bound to be plenty of copies floating around (and parts 
>even published in the press) in the next little while.  This is not 
>specifially what you asked for (you asked for existing laws) but it 
>should give you a very good idea of what direction Canada is heading 
>in this area.  

The only answer I want to get is the text of the law.  It seems there is
no an existing one.  It is little pity.

>-- 
>Conrad Richter                     richter@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca
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