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From: jfrawley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Judy Frawley)
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 11:13:24 EST

Hello.
I wanted to thank everyone who sent me notes about my using excuses
not to exercise.  You're right.  My life is in the pits, and I have
decided that rather than let that be an excuse to gain weight and
not exercise, I should use it as a motivation to get out there and
sweat a little :-)  Getting started is definitely the hard part, and
I prefer to walk with a goal in mind.  Exercising and losing weight
may be just the boost I need to get the other parts of my life in 
better working order.  Who knows?

Anyway, last Thursday, after reading several very nice mail
messages from readers of this group, I decided that I had
to think of some reason to take a thirty-minute walk.  I
decided that I would like to walk to this little mid-eastern
cafe, which is about 15-20 minutes walk from my office and
get some Apricot Nectar (they have it in cans, and it's great).
I did it....It took me 40 minutes, including a brief stop
to buy the nectar and grab a free newspaper.  I got to see
things I'd forgotten about; cats and dogs asleep on porches,
people wandering about for no apparent reason, a homeless man
with a grocery cart, the second-hand bookstore, which I intend
to walk to next.

On Friday, I didn't want to lose my momentum, so I cleaned house
for a few hours.  Believe me, I was tired :-)  I have made it
my goal to get a minimum of ten minutes of some form of exercise
into everyday.  I have done it so far (5days).  If I walk on my lunch
hour, then I don't feel so guilty about vegging on the sofa after
dinner and watching a little t.v. before I start out on the
dishes and getting my 4YO ready for bed.

I just want to thank everyone.  I feel better now, and I am exercising.

Judy Frawley

P.S.  I made banana bread yesterday and am wondering how I determine
      the fat content of a homemade product.  I didn't use the
      applesauce method to replace the oil because I forgot; anyway
      the bread has 3/4C walnuts, one egg, 1/3C milk, and 3Tbsp. oil.
      It is delicious, and I ate a chunk for breakfast along with some
      coffee yogurt.

Judy
From: MOSTERBE@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:01:11 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <Nov.13.11.27.01.1992.3515@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

>If I think that I want to loose weight to look better, that automatically
>makes me feel like I look bad now, which depresses me and makes me
>want to crawl into a hole and die.  Thinking that I look great just
>the way I am motivates me to do better.  I tell myself that I'm doing
>this for my health.  I tell myself that it is easier to get it off now
>than when I'm older.
>
Also try to tell yourself that you're doing this for YOU.  You accept your
body (whatever shape you're in) but in your heart you know you want to feel
better about yourself when you look in the mirror.  Somehow the extra pounds
are a real downer, even though you try to ignore them and rationalize your
negative feelings.  Ask yourself, "What do YOU want?" Is eating healthy
a benefit for you?  Is it something harmful?  Is it a positive regime?
>I'm 5'2 and I weighed in this
>morning at 155.  I saw myself on a video tape yesterday and was amazed.
>My husband thinks that I am adorable.  I've gained about 25 pounds since
>we met 3 years ago.
I know what you're talking about.  I'm only 5 1 1/2" and 5 lbs. on me looks
like 25.  I think you husband is wonderful (I'd keep him).
Good for him that he is so supportive of you.  At least you don't have to feel
like if only you lost some weight you'd make him happier.  No pressure there
at all.  So you can choose to lose weight just for you.
>Do you think that if I could find a half hour each day to use the
>Stairmaster, or swim, that it would make a difference.  I mean,
>without changing my diet?
For the first time in years (at least 15) I've been watching what I eat and
exercizing 3 times a week.  What a difference it makes.  We're heavy because
we;ve done both - eaten too much and exercised too little.  If you don't have
the willpower to diet right now, how about just adding exercise into your
weekly routine (at least 45 minutes 3 times a week).  That could be just
walking or invest in a exercize equipment.  (I have a stepper and I love it).
>I don't count calories.  I make sure that everything I eat is
>something good for me.  No emply calories.  Since I'm hypoglycemic,
>I try to eat small portions, about 5 or six times a day.
I'm also hypogylcemic and have snacks between my meals.  If you make certain
your snacks are fruit, you'll see what a difference it makes when you eat
healthily.  You'll feel better.  Have more energy.
>
>I really think the key is exercise.  What do you think?
I think you're right.  But if you do both (exercise and diet) that's where you
see quicker results.  Good luck!  Maureen
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Re: Comments on Nonfat Miracle Whip
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:36:43 GMT

In article <9983@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
> A whole cheescake
>would last longer on the surface of the sun than in my refrigerator...
>-- 


Thanks for the laugh, John! This really got to me.



From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:45:12 GMT
Subject: Re: 1300 cal/day, why?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

Just reread Amy's question:  The 1300 is not a net, but a gross.  When
I was on the fast, I was netting negative calories for a fairly long
time, with the full blessing of the HMR medical staff.

I'm not sure I want to admit my gross calories are, but my activity level
was at 16000 calories per week a few weeks ago...  had to put a stop to
that; the lull in projects ended and I really like to have my dinner
before 9PM.  I'm trending down to 12-10,000 per week for the while.

Pete (suffering mixed feelings from the good weather in California; we
need the rain, but I hate to ride in the wet) Brooks
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: holiday dieting
Keywords: diet holidays socials
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:44:08 EST

In article <grenus.722024304@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> grenus@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Karen M Grenus) writes:
>How are people handling the holidays? So far I have a potluck and two 
>Thanksgiving dinners to go to. I've been on NutriSystem for 4 weeks and
>have lost 10 pounds, but I'm afraid of gaining it back.
>	Should I just eat very little the day of the party and work out like mad that week? I don't want to offend the people that invited me to dinner by not
>eating or by whipping out my own freeze dried entree.
>
>Karen Grenus

This has been on my mind for a bout a month....  Yesterday we had
our thanksgiving dinner at work.  Turkey with all the trimmings
and about 20 desserts ranging from turtle cheesecake to apple
pie.  I found that I really wasn't tempted by the sweets (no
cookies!) and I made a point to have a small amount of turkey
and a good sized serving of stuffing, which I really enjoyed.  I
have decided, though, after a meal like that (it was served at 
lunch time) *not* to try to vary the rest of my day's eating
by much.  I mean, I didn't skip dinner and I ate pretty much
what I would have had I had my usual lunch.  

I know that alot of people advocate preparing for a large
meal by cutting back but I'm finding that that psychology can
be dangerous for me.  So I try to eat what I *really* like
in moderation and then continue on with the diet as though
nothing happened.  That gets rid of the guilt and panic that
I would feel otherwise.  I tell myself that I *can* indulge,
within reason.  If I don't lose for the next week or two, or
even if I gain, I can live with that because I know that I'm
staying on track.

Margot

--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:01:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov20.170557.17862@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:

>Most compulsive overeaters wouldn't know hunger if it bit them on the
>butt.  

Great metaphor.

>My own personal philosophy is much along the lines John suggests above.
>I try and eat three square meals a day, I don't eat sugar, and I have
>learned to tolerate hunger.  Like Steve and John (but for different
>reasons), I'm not confident that I could eat what I wanted, when I wanted.

I'm aiming toward three meals a day, too, less if I'm not hungry (though
I'll still eat something small, just to avoid bingeing later on).  I like
a lot of what Roth says, but I find I prefer to limit the number of times
a day that I eat.  I'd rather let the hunger build up a bit rather than
just appease it the minute I feel it.  If I really must eat between meals,
I'm going for fruit most of the time.  

And I know I've got emotional reasons for overeating; it isn't just a
"gee, maybe there's something else going on" thing for me anymore; it's
definite.  Even the well-known diet programs are catching on.

Maybe the most powerful combination is indeed a diet with an inner
inventory.  Right now, all I'm ready for is the modified Roth thing.  Down
the line, who knows?  As John succinctly put it, one day at a time.

  

-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Re: Nonfat Eating; Lunch
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:52:16 GMT

In article <BxtqEo.A76@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>
> (Spa Burrito recipe)
>
>Burrito sized flour tortillas
>                    ^^^^^^^^^




Another job for Fat Fanatic!!

Most commercial tortillas are made with lard. This means they contain more fat
than they have to. PITA BREAD is a good substitute, and you can find it made
without shortening. Or I like to use corn tortillas... 'cause they have more
flavor and I find I need maximum flavor per calorie to avoid "nonfat boredom"!



Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen)
Subject: Re: please think before you diet..
Organization: MITS, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:00:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.015620.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> awinters@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>one thought I would like to remind you:  scientific studies show that 98% of
>diets do not work.  This means that weight will be regained and sometimes you
>will end up with more than what you started with.

Thank you very much for your support!

> there are ways of
>accepting your body without changing it. 

No, there aren't - if you weight > 170 kilos like me.

--
* kauhunen@mits.mdata.fi * * Kari Juhani Nenonen *
                  * Helsinki - SF *
 
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: hilp@hfglobe.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum)
Subject: Re: The word FAT
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:01:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.001746.19552@tessi.com> allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart) writes:
>>Does anyone here object to the word FAT, [for] overweight
>>I remember in the past, options such as CHUBBY, PLUMP, ...
>>More recently, I've seen ZAFTIG and RUBENESQUE, which are at least more
>>poetic
>>Comments?
>I think your first line is best when you use the word 'overweight'.  The
>word FAT has many, many negative connections to it.  I usually just refer
>to someone carrying extra weight caused by too much fatty tissue as just
>overweight.
>BTW, Rubenesque is a nice word but is a reference to the type of women
>Rubens painted:  women with large bustlines, wide hips and a little
>more slender waist (as compared to the hips).  
My vote is for JUNOESQUE ("stately beauty" according to my Webster's Ninth)
but since I am barely 5'4" I can't quite apply to myself something that
means "stately" <:-)

Robin Hilp
rosenrob@ccm.hf.intel.com


Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: Re: Limiting exercise (Really lowfat recipes)
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:35:16 GMT

In article <Bxz67I.1nJ@hfglobe.intel.com> hilp@hfglobe.intel.com (Robin Rosenbaum) writes:
>
>Question for Fat Fanatic:  Does one egg white replace one egg, or do you need
>two egg whites to replace one egg white and one egg yolk?
>
>


Robin, I've always seen it as one egg white for one egg. After my experience
successfully replacing an egg with an unmeasured splash of soy milk, I've concluded that
recipes are not as fragile as you may think.

After all, eggs are not all the same size. Even a single egg will shrink as it
ages (the liquid part, not the shell part.)

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: Re: E-Mail WW Group
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 09:26:48 EST

In article <1992Nov22.185109.4364@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.095840.25613@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.184147.16559@uc.msc.edu> tbachman@hamline.edu. (Toni Bachmann 6412947) writes:
>>>
>
>A while ago I posted that I'm 2 pounds from goal.  Still 2 pounds
>from goal, and...I'm committing the ultimate WW crime, I've stopped
>going to meetings!
>
>I'm getting ready to move, finances are tight, and I realized I
>couldn't afford the meetings and deal with the pressure of these two
>pounds!  I'm sticking with my WW program as best I can and getting
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't like the sound of this!  I hope you mean that you're 
sticking to it as well as you did when attending WW!

>plenty of excercise.  My leader was very dissapointed - I think she
>really wanted to see me make that Lifetime goal, but I'm leaving in
>less than 6 weeks, and don't see those two pounds coming off with
>Thanksgiving coming up, the stress of moving, etc.

I think this is realistic.  I'm (still) 6 lbs away from goal and
don't know if I'll make it during the holidays.  I do plan
to do some indulging but also plan to maintain my weight, at worst.

>
>I'm hoping you folks will help keep me going!  I'll have about a 2-3
>week hiatus away from machines while moving, but I'll be back on line
>in my new location.  I plan on getting those two pounds off, even if
>I won't be getting my WW pin!  Though I really do want the
>opportunity to reward myself through WW, I believe I'll get those two
>pounds off without it.

Yes, there's no reason not to.  I find the program to be quite
easy.  Just remember to reward *yourself* when you get there.

>
>So, to those whom I've encouraged to stick with meetings in the past,
>I wish to say I'M NOT CHANGING MY TUNE!!!  Stick with it everyone!!!
>
>Thanks for the good reading and support..

Good luck and stay on program!
>- Leslie
>-- 
>Leslie Bishko
>leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
>

Margot
>


--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby
From: steph@cardinal.ics.uci.edu (Stephanie Leif Aha)
Subject: Re: Baba Ganoush (sp?)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS
Keywords: baba ganoush
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:48:36 GMT

In <1992Nov18.142322.25490@watson.ibm.com> amygk@watson.ibm.com (Amy) writes:

...

>Baba Ganoush Recipe:
>Pierce 2 medium eggplants with a fork. Place them on broiling pan
>in the oven, 3 to 4 inches from heat source. Turn often, until skin
>is charred and eggplants are mushy and falling apart. Remove from
>oven. Scoop out pulp and place in blender or food processor. Add one
>recipe Tahini Sauce, minus the water (recipe below), salt, pepper, and
>1 or 2 Tbsp olive oil to taste (comments below!!). Add some chopped
>scallions and parsley, and serve with fresh pita.

>Tahini Sauce Recipe:
>  1/3 cup Tahini paste
>  1/4 cup lemon juice
>  2-3 garlic cloves, crushed
>  salt/pepper to taste
>Mix all the above until smooth. Refrigerate if not eating right away.

...

I have made Baba Ganoush with the following recipe and it came
out fine.

1 tub commercial baba ganoush + 1 big eggplant (I pierce with
fork and let it bake in the middle of the oven, less hovering, but
not as good a result).  I don't remember how big the tub was (it
was from Trader Joe's a great market out here) but I suspect it was 1
pint.

So, you may be able to use more eggplant thus reducing the amount of
fat per serving.

  Good Luck,

  Stephanie

ps: I tried a similar trick with a spinach, water chestnut and cream
cheese dip.  I liked it better with (an extra) bag of frozen spinach
(defrosted, drained, and pulverized in a food processor) added.  I
have no idea how big a bag is, but it is the biggest size of frozen
vegie the supermarket sells.
From: greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leila Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Snack foods
Date: 23 Nov 92 12:29:01 GMT
Reply-To: greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leila Thomas)
Organization: David Taylor Research Center, Annapolis, MD

In alt.support.diet, cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter) writes:
-In article <63620080@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Broo
-ks) writes:
->Here's a thought for snacks: if you actually like them, rice cakes
->or the similar popcorn cakes.  They run 110 calories per ounce, though
->I'll admit I don't know what they weigh; *I* don't like them at all.
->
-
-Have you tried Quaker's Caramel Corn popcorn cakes?

Yes, I have tried them and they have way to much sugar.  I have tried
the Nacho Cheese Rice cakes by Quaker and they have 40 calories, no
fat, no sugar and 80 mg of sodium.

Leila

*******************************************************************
"Beauty and the Beast, well thought of by people who think." ---
Roy Dotrice
********************************************************************
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: body image
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:15:43 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <BxtKAL.6C6@dale.cts.com> npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan) writes:
>For some odd reason we can seem to edit our image in mirrors.

Especially if the only mirror in the house is the bathroom medicine cabinet.
:-)  (I understand that this is a "guy thing"--a female friend who stayed
with me once couldn't understand how I could live without a full-length
mirror, whereas it had never occurred to me.)

>It seems like I get a clearer idea of my body when I see it in a
>picture.  Maybe that's because I can see the whole thing at once, 
>rather than just focusing on a piece at a time.

Pictures are brutal.  I am much heavier than I perceive myself to be,
and it's particularly depressing to see some recent pictures, because
all that is obvious to me is how much further I have to go, rather
than how much progress (- 50 lbs.) I've made already.  You can't see
the clothes size shrinkage, and the added belt notches aren't visible
in the snapshot.

Anyway, denial has both positive and negative points.  I don't dwell
on the snapshots, though they're useful when my will falters.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:47:06 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:

>In article <Nov.17.11.42.02.1992.9354@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:

>I haven't read that, but it sure sounds like hooey.  There's about a
>20-pound difference (most of it in fat around his middle) in my boyfriend
>between his swimming and non-swimming periods.  His eating doesn't change;
>it's definitely the aerobic exercise (which, I understand, swimming is). 
>Doesn't one's heart and lungs work just as hard when swimming as when
>walking, jogging, or whatever?  And isn't that what burns up the calories
>and thus the fat?  

What you are saying is what makes sense to me, however, Covert Baily
says that the cold from the water encourages the body to retain its
fat.  Again, he said this in 1978.  Maybe he's learned something since
then.





-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: cwechter@cyclone.mitre.org (Christine G. Wechter)
Subject: Re: Snack foods
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:56:30 GMT

In article <63620080@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>Here's a thought for snacks: if you actually like them, rice cakes
>or the similar popcorn cakes.  They run 110 calories per ounce, though
>I'll admit I don't know what they weigh; *I* don't like them at all.
>

Have you tried Quaker's Caramel Corn popcorn cakes?  

50 calories each and no fat.  There's sugar though.  But they're a *lot*
better than plain ol' rice cakes.  Taste sort of like caramel corn and
sort of like Sugar Smacks.
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: health clubs
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:12:22 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University


My husband and I have been thinking about joining a health
club.  I especially want something to get me through the
winter besides my exercise bike, and while I've been thinking
about skiing, (both X country and downhill) I know how much I
hate the cold so I don't think I'd do much of it.  Anyway, 
there aren't many choices in the town I live in.  The Y is
yukky and I think the only other club is this expensive one
we visited last night.  Its really beautiful and new and there
were only three people working out,  along with 1 trainer and 2
other staff members.

Here are the facilites: 2 kinds of bike, stairmasters, rowing 
machine, treadmills, free weights, weight machines (Cybex),
lap pool, jacuzzi, sauna and steamroom (all facilites are
cooed, except the locker rooms, of course!).  They also
do some kind of fitness/body fat determination (not dunking,
its advertised as some kind of computerized system).  The 2
married memberships cost $415 for 3 months and $1250 for a
year.  Any thoughts?  How does the equipment sound?  Any advice
on whether it will be money well spent?  We're getting a
3 day pass (for free) tonight to try it out.

Margot

--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust would last? "
                                         - David Crosby