HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas S. Brashear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: the lover
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:23:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Merje8q00YV7M3NKYo
Organization: Junior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 15-Oct-92 in the Lover                    
user Charles Ping Chen@athena writes:
>Does anyone have any information on this MGM movie called "THE LOVER"?
>Filmed in Vietnam, the movie is about an interracial affair between
>a french woman and a chinese diplomat.  I don't have any other information
>beyond this..
> 
>charles chen

The movie is based on the novel "The Lover" by Marguerite Duras (also
the author of "Hiroshima, Mon Amour") and is about a relationship she
had with a Saigon Businessman (Chinese and 30 years old) when she was
16...it takes place in pre and during occupation Cochin China.
I recently read the book and found it interesting!
Apparently, she (M. Duras) may not have been happy with the portrayal of
herself in the movie, for she has come out with a new book on the
subject, called "The East Asia Lover" or some similar title.

if you have any other questions on this subject please feel free to
ask...we have been talking about this one alot in my class lately...

Doug Brashear
db6j+@andrew.cmu.edu
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Western Culture suck Shit!
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 19:02:47 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <92388@netnews.upenn.edu> Denny MWC Wong, dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu writes:
>
>I have some questions about the difference between U.S. culture and
>western culture.
     .
	 .
	 .
	 .
>I can cite so many cases of the de-humanising deeds these white
>westerners did to the people of Africa, and which is still going
>on to some extent in some European countries.
>
>And you, Dwight Joe, be ashamed that you posses this sickness.
>
>Den./
>

I started to write a response to this post, and it was becoming more and more
hateful with every statment.  His post was full of so much race baiting and 
hateful statements and I was so angry.  

But then I realized, hate begets hate.  Violence begets violence.  Closed
minds beget closed minds.

So, Denny MWC Wong, this is my response to your post:

Denny MWC Wong, from one human being to another, I love you.  You are welcome
in my house at any time.

========================================================================
| Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan   |
|   kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu |      Aerospace Engineering   |
|   kamprath@engin.umich.edu            |                              |
+---------------------------------------+------------------------------+
| This country is a _democracy_.  It is NOT a "Two Party Sytem."  DO   |
| NOT believe The Lie that not voting Republican or Democratic will    |
| waste your vote.  Vote for who ever you please, and let the          |
| politicians find out what a democratic government is all about.      | 
========================================================================
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9608 soc.culture.europe:8947 soc.culture.usa:7776
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:46:46 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science

In article <1bbl7rINNr3t@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> rap@doc.ic.ac.uk writes:
>From article <Bvw4y3.Lo3@acsu.buffalo.edu>, by dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei):
>> [...] even if the Germans and Russians did have contacts with
>> the Huns/Mongols, why should that be an insult? Is it a disgrace to come into
>> contact with two of the most successful conquerers of the ancient world?
>> Why should the Huns/Mongols be viewed as barbarians while it is obvious
>> that their battle strategies were much superior to that of their opponents'?
>
>Because they really were barbarians.  The main improvements they
>brought to battle strategies were in the techniques of terror, like the
>Mongol practice of slaughtering all the inhabitants of a city unless it
>surrendered without any resistance at all.  Just the sort of name to smear
>one's enemies with in war-time propaganda.  Nowadays Nazi or Fascist or
>Stalinist are more popular.  Nor are Europeans the only ones among whom
>Central Asian nomads have a bad name, e.g. the various derogatory words
>in modern Chinese containing "hu2", an old Chinese term for these people.
>
>Ross
I read a word "reichman" fro soc.culture.bitish a month or so ago. Was that
word a new invention under the new wave of  antigerman sentment in UK?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Subject: Movie Ratings Ballot 10/92
Reply-To: achin@math.tamu.edu
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:07:18 GMT

Here's the fourth posting of the s.c.a.a Movie/Book Ratings Ballot.
If you have voted last time, you don't need to vote again, unless
you've seen new movies or read new books.

You can type them into the template below if that will help.  Also, 
you can suggest additions; however, my decision will be final.
The ballot will aim to include all films and books (a) of particular 
interest to Asian-Americans and (b) that have been frequently 
discussed in this group.  These may include Asian films and books 
of high quality that have received US exposure.

Send EMAIL.  DON'T post replies.

Rating  Film
[0-10]

[    ]  Akira Kurosawa's Dreams
[    ]  Armor of God
[    ]  Better Tomorrow, A
[    ]  Boat People
[    ]  Chan is Missing
[    ]  Chicken and Duck Talk
[    ]  Chinese Ghost Story, A
[    ]  Come See the Paradise
[    ]  Days of Being Wild
[    ]  Dim Sum
[    ]  Eat a Bowl of Tea
[    ]  Empire of the Sun
[    ]  Encounters of the Spooky Kind
[    ]  Family Game, The
[    ]  Father and Son
[    ]  Father of the Bride
[    ]  Funeral, The
[    ]  God of Gamblers
[    ]  Great Wall, A
[    ]  Gung Ho
[    ]  Homecoming
[    ]  In Hong Kong, Life is Cheap
[    ]  Iron and Silk
[    ]  Ju Dou
[    ]  Kagemusha (The Shadow Warrior)
[    ]  Karate Kid, The (I-III)
[    ]  Killer, The
[    ]  Killing Fields, The
[    ]  King and I, The
[    ]  Last Emporer, The
[    ]  Long Arm of the Law
[    ]  Love and Death in Saigon
[    ]  Love in a Fallen City
[    ]  Mishima
[    ]  Mississippi Masala
[    ]  Mr. Baseball
[    ]  Mr. Vampire
[    ]  Mystery Train
[    ]  90 Days
[    ]  Ping Pong
[    ]  Raise the Red Lantern
[    ]  Ran
[    ]  Rashomon
[    ]  Red Sorghum
[    ]  Rouge
[    ]  Seven Samurai, The
[    ]  Shanghai Blues
[    ]  Sixteen Candles
[    ]  South Pacific
[    ]  Summer at Grandpa's, A
[    ]  Tampopo
[    ]  Taxing Woman, A
[    ]  Taxing Woman's Return, A
[    ]  Throne of Blood
[    ]  Wash, The
[    ]  Wayne's World
[    ]  World of Suzy Wong, The
[    ]  Year of the Dragon
[    ]  Yellow Earth
[    ]  Yojimbo

Rating  Book
[0-10]
[    ]  Ancestors (Chin)
[    ]  Children of the Pearl (Bezine)
[    ]  China Boy (Lee)
[    ]  China Men (Hong Kingston)
[    ]  Donald Duk (Chin)
[    ]  Floating World, The (Kadohata)
[    ]  Joy Luck Club, The (Tan)
[    ]  Kitchen God's Wife, The (Tan)
[    ]  Legacies:  A Chinese Mosaic (Bao Lord)
[    ]  Rising Sun (Crichton)
[    ]  Tripmaster Monkey (Hong Kingston)
[    ]  Turning Japanese (Mura)
[    ]  Wild Swans:  Three Daughters of China (Chang)
[    ]  Woman Warrior, The (Hong Kingston)

Send EMAIL.  DON'T post replies.
-- 
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: critter
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:02:11 GMT
Organization: IBM
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Oct8.001516.11735@leland.Stanford.EDU>, underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
> 
> By contrast, the Chinese have _no_ sense of right and wrong, relative to
> anybody or anything.  To a large extent, a Chinese does not admit that he has
> committed anything wrong even when what he has done is wrong in the Western
> sense.  Apologies are also hard to come by.  When they do occur on those
> rare occasions, they are usually meaningless.
> 

I found everything you said about Chinese applies to you very well.
That is very Chinese to me.

You have not any sense of right or wrong; almost everybody in the net
accuses you of bigotry, be it Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Asian American,
or simply American. To this extent, you are pretty thick-skinned, just
like most of the imaginary Chinese (or Chinese American) you accused.
You, as a first generation immigrant from Hong Kong, pretended to be an
American, but failed to be accepted by your surrounding fellow Americans.
You have to asked yourself every night to the mirror, 

    "Who am I? I hate to be born of Chinese origin. I want to be an
     American (or westerner), but those Americans (not of Asian heritage)
     still call me Chink whenever I tried to join them. I can't change
     the color of my skin. I can't even be accepted by the Japanese
     American, even I bootlicked the Japanese in every one of my posting."

Pathetic, thickheaded critter. 


> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Shitte itara oshiete kuremasen ka.          | -+-      | especially, don't buy
>                                            /| / \      | from Capitol Toyota in
> Copyright 1992.                 Disclaimer:  1 + 1 = 3 | San Jose, California.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: chencp@athena.mit.edu (Charles Ping Chen)
Subject: the Lover
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Distribution: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:16:34 GMT


Does anyone have any information on this MGM movie called "THE LOVER"?
Filmed in Vietnam, the movie is about an interracial affair between
a french woman and a chinese diplomat.  I don't have any other information
beyond this..

charles chen
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9460 ca.politics:8532
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: interracial dating-black asian?
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:58:28 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

>I believe there is a japanese slang term for these women,
>which is "buraza-zoku".
>
>>will date black men because they seem to be more stylish.  Of course,
>>you can imagine that the Japanese men are not too happy about this.
>>I've read in the Japan Times that some Japanese men have tried to
>>mimic the look of black men.  They try to get as tan as possible, cut
>>their hair like them, dress like them, and take dance lessons (no kidding!)
>Ya, I have a friend who was a on exchange here from Japan. I
>taught him how to be "down with the posse". :)
>

Be ware, though, that this is strictly a superficial fad among college-kid
types
having much to do with the sexual mystique of Afro-American males.  It's
been a sorority-initiation type of rite for college girls to pick up a 
black GI for the last decade.  Of course, some of these relationship will  
actually develop into serious ones, but Japanese women who actually marry
Black men will, 99.9% chance move to the US & take up US citizenship, and
have a high likelihood of being formally disowned by their families.
Asians, at least Japanese, do not have a guilt complex about racial
prejudices, for they never imported slaves and they have no obligation to
Judeo-Christian ethics.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: interracial dating
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:58:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.193924.13418@panix.com> sieh@panix.com (Lui Sieh) writes:
>In article <Oct.5.12.06.50.1992.7176@spade.rutgers.edu> 
>cadet@spade.rutgers.edu (Uniquely TiJean) writes:
>>I browsed the FAQ on interacial dating and I see there is no mention
>>of other groups like African-American or Hispano-Americans. It seems
>>like that Asian-American males have no problem with this kind of mix?
>>True or false! Please, do not email! I rather read what you post.
>
>It's because so many people have a narrow focus on the subject.  Black and
>Hispanic Americans are minorities like Asian Americans so it's not a problem
>but White Americans are.  Hence the de-emphasis on those kinds of relation-
>ships.
>
>My first girlfriend was of an Ecuadorean background (Are they called Latino?)
>and I've always had a preference toward Latin women.  Haven't yet had a
>relationship with a Black woman and given the generally poor relationship 
>between Black America and Asian America, who knows.
>
>In any event, skin color isn't that significant in a relationship.  People
>make it, though.
>

  The other scaa, soc.culture.african.american is having an interesting
  discussion on Black/nonBlack interracial dating.  Listen in, if you're
  interested.

  Clare
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Montel Williams Show (Re: Hoyt Sze will be on TV!
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:42:47 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Distribution: na
Organization: The Bates Motel

garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >) writes:
>
>This is obviously not true in all cases, but from my experience, 
>the CM that are going out with AF are simply Dorky, Geek, or Nerdy.

My own experience here out east (Toronto, Montreal, New York) is that
the couple's attractiveness is usually proportional, e.g., taller and
good-looking.  However, as we move downscale then there is a growing
divergence ... "cute" but short/heavier/less mature AF's with geeky
white guys.

gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare				
> gld@cunixB.cc.columbia.EDU		Oct 26/92: Just say "OUI!"
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			(Let's worry about the economy!)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:29:09 EDT
From: <SCW112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
 <92282.183715SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>

> Funny. Try to think it mutual way. All these date American may dislike date a
> Chinese.

Hey...I think when you're saying "American" here, you mean "Caucasian." Not
to dis you or anything, but *I'm* an American, too..

But I do see your points.  Just from my experience, almost ANY Asian female
looks good to my Caucasian/African-American friends.  Just shows you what
stereotypes in media and movies can do.

Steve Wei
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9452 soc.culture.asean:6761 soc.culture.korean:4644
From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:04:14 +1000
Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia.

In article <92276.092553U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U58402@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> In article <V_2-55-@engin.umich.edu>, Michael F. Kamprath
> <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> says:
>>
>>In article <1992Oct1.174834.90245@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> ,
>>phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
>>writes:
>>>
>>>Dwight, this is not good enough.  Since your view is obviously the MINORITY
>>>view on this network (obvious from the few who support you) then THE ONUS
>>>is on YOU to come up with verifiable proof for the rest of us (the
>>>majority) to examine.
>>>
>>
>>Careful, this statement could easily be extrapolated to other situations in
>>which you are the minority.
>>
> As much as I hate to say it, I have to agree. The problem with Mr. Joe's
> opinions is not that they are in the minority, but that they are
> unsupported by fact and/or logic. He makes the assertion that Chinese
> culture promotes the beating of one's children, which he is perfectly
> free to do. However, he does not offer any statistics or other proof
> that this is the case, resorting instead to a childish repetition of "Is
> too! Is too!"
> 
> Wilbur Pan
> (aka u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
>  at the ever so friendly and personal univ. of ill. at chicago)

To Michael and Wilbur,

Well said.  I wrote my statement in a fit of annoyance but looking back
on it (with your erstwhile help) I see that it was not the best way to
voice my opinion.  Therefore I retract it unconditionally.

As you have pointed out Wilbur, the main point I should have emphasised
is the fact that HE makes the initial assertion WITHOUT any substantial
evidence.  The fact that his views appear to be shared by only a minority
of net-people can be seen to be a natural consequence of this lack of
proof.

-- 
Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, Melbourne, Downunder.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day)
Subject: Re: Sex, Power and the Decline of the White American Male [LONG]
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
	<SHAW.92Oct6204751@au-bon-pain.lcs.mit.edu> <2234@usna.NAVY.MIL>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:51:05 GMT

   wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:

   I remember spending a trying period in the Kyoto train station when the
   temperature inside the station was at least 90 (Fahrenheit).  There were
   air conditioners inside the station but these were so configured as to
   cool an area of about a hundred square feet.  A sign posted nearby made it
   clear that this arrangement was deliberate.  It strains belief that one
   could find an airport in the U.S. which would be sweltering simply because
   the designers decided to make it so.  

Come to Cambridge and I'll show you all the grotesque design flaws of
the Porter Square subway station, from the unheatable atrium to the
unmaintainable escalators, from the water seeping in to the tunnels to
the mobile of lead balls (!) and aluminum plates that dangles above
passengers.

No-one has a monopoly on bad design, unfortunately.  It's much more
prevalent worldwide than good design.

--Mark Day

mday@lcs.mit.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.asian.american:9656 soc.culture.japan:9032
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:16:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


Dwight,

In your continued exchange with Mr. Masuada (sorry if I've misspelled
it), I didn't see you apologize for calling him a liar. It would be
the right thing to do despite anymore disagreements.

	Melinda
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Tibet Film Series (Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China)
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:17:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

In article <1992Oct15.185801.8057@tcsi.com> gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
>     Even if China's claim on Tibet *is* valid, they certainly aren't
>entitled to ruthless oppression and human rights violations.

Ruthless oppression and human rights violations?? That's a better
description of TianAnMen than Tibet
Also, you should change that "China" to "the CCP"

>     Sure, America's wronged the American Indian.  Does that make China's
>actions any less wrong?  At least past persecution of Native Americans is
>recognized in this country, and the initial steps to correct what we can
>have been taken.  Can China say the same of Tibet, and it's own people
>everywhere?

Give me a break!! Tibet IS China!! China is ZhongHua (Central-Plains)
RenMin (People's) GongHeGuo (Republic), or in the older days (Taiwan)
ZhongHua (Central-Plains) MinGuo (People's Country)
The shorter version is ZhongGuo (Central-Country)
Where does it say that China has to be Han-China?? Just as Germans
may contain Prussians and Bavarians and others, just as the British
have Anglos, Saxons, Brittons, Celts, Scots, Welsh, etc
Chinese include Han-Chinese, Tibetans, and others..

As for the "persecution," China (really the CCP) did not PERSECUTE
the people of Tibet.. They suppressed the riots only to maintain
their own power, just as they would've done anywhere else..
Sure, what they did were NOT RIGHT, but they were NOT racist

>							George

NW
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Republicans vs. Centrists?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:12:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.001749.22338@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <67265@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>>or both. Asians do have an extremely low rate of child abuse compared to
>>other races.
>
>I beg to differ.  This last statement depends on the cultural group
>of the Asians; Chinese-cu have a much greater predilection for child
>abuse than other Asians-cu.
I couldve called this one a mile away. Too bad no one 
made a bet with me that DJ would post a reply to Authur's post.

>If child abuse laws were more effectively enforced, a lot more Chinese-cu
>parents would be going to jail, and a lot more Chinese-cu children would
Hmm, yes, and maybe if child abuse laws were more effectively
enforced in Japan,  A LOT of teachers would be in jail.
We're not talking about "just" a beating here, at least you're alive to talk
about it afterwards, I wont bore you people with the story, since
this isnt the place.  Read soc.culture.Japan if you're interested.

But I will say this.  The culture in Japan, which DJ seems to
allude to as the "perfect" asian culture.  Have this attitute
that discipline is to be enforced by the school system and specifically
the teachers.  The punishment is A LOT more severe then what one
might expect for the same transgression in North America.  On
the other hand, many Japanese parents are afraid to discipline
their children, for fear that their children will hate them. 

This is of course just a segment of Japanese parents, some /most?
may have different child rearing methods?   Again, read soc.culture.Japan
if you are interested in finding out more.
  
>be helped.  Alas, the idiotic and totally untrue "model minority" myth,
>which has been promoted by certain Chinese-(cu-)Americans, has convinced
>a lot of people to turn a blind eye to reality.
Hmm, again, so are you saying, the "model minority" myth apllies to 
SOME asian americans?

>Disclaimer:  1 + 1 = 3 
That proposition is incomplete! You shouldve also stated that
the statment was true, for "large values of 1's"!  Don't they
teach math at Stanford??