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From: swalter@nyx.cs.du.edu (DreamWeaver)
Subject: Adlib lives!
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 05:54:21 GMT


I just heard someting interesting.

It seems that a German concern has _actually_ bought adLib's assets and is
bringing the company back.

Can anyone confirm this?

-DreamWeaver
From: DURFLING@AC.GRIN.EDU (Finagle, etc. Durflinger,Edward M)
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Subject: (none)
Date: 2 Sep 1992 13:39:22 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Subj: HELP FIND TAMMY ZYWICKI

__________________________________
I am posting the following to soc.women and some other newsgroups becuase 
this matter of all matters should concern women and people who wish the 
world to be a safer place.
--durfling@ac.grin.edu
_________________________________________________________
WE NEED YOUR HELP.
	
	We are friends of Tammy Zywicki, a Grinnell College Senior who 
disappeared Sunday, August 23, around 1:00 pm.  Tammy was travelling from 
Chicago to Grinnell, Iowa, on Interstate 80 when apparently she experienced 
car trouble and stopped at the side of the road somewhere near La Salle, 
Illinois.  She was last seen at her car being assisted by a person or 
persons and a semi trailer was parked ahead of her car.

	When Tammy left Chicago, she was wearing dark shorts and a white 
T-shirt with the word "PRIVATE'" (accent over the 'E') printed on it.  
She is 5'2", 120 lbs, blond hair, green eyes, b. 3-13-71, and was wearing 
contact lenses.

	Recently a body of a woman resembling Tammy but with auburn hair 
was found in a ditch close to Springfield, MO.  Authorities have not 
confirmed the identity of this woman as Tammy, but it is know that she was 
wearing clothing that Tammy was also known to wear. If this woman is not 
Tammy, she could be the victim of a serial killer that also was involved in 
Tammy's disappearance.

	You can help Tammy and us by distributing this information as 
widely as possible. If anyone has any information about either of these 
cases, you may either email me at DURFLING@AC.GRIN.EDU or call the Illinois 
Police Department at (815)224-1150. 

Thank You,
The Grinnell Community
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
From: dalton@mantle.Geop.UBC.CA (David Dalton)
Subject: Fabrikant killings
Organization: Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy, UBC, Vancouver, Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:15:54 GMT

Readers of this group may be interested in the discussion going
on in sci.research, sci.research.careers, can.general and soc.culture.canada
about the recent murders at Concordia by V.I. Fabrikant, who had not
long before widely E-mailed accusations, which were relayed to 
sci.research, sci.research.careers  with the header "Fraud and Corruption
at Concordia University".
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
From: martijn@htsa.aha.nl (Martijn van der Heide)
Subject: why bother
Organization: Algemene Hogeschool Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:54:19 GMT


Yo folks out there!

I just discovered the biggest crime ever: school!
It started a few minutes ago, so I guess I just had to overload the worldly
network with this crappy message.

See ya, yours sincerely,
                                  UNJUN (the UNix JUNk)
-- 

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From: rperkins@NeoSoft.com (Rodney Perkins)
Subject: New Orleans hotel murders
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 04:20:20 GMT

	I'd be interested in obtaining any information on the murderers that were
committed at a New Orleans Howard Johnson's hotel in the late 70's. If I'm
correct the murderers name was Mark Essex III and he basically got on the
roof of the hotel and shot at any white person that passed by below.
Hours before he had killed a police officer and another civilian. Any info
you would have is appreciated.

-- 
"Dirt your purity" - John Woo, A Better Tommorrow
Rodney Perkins (Rperkins@Sugar.Neosoft.com)
From: DURFLING@AC.GRIN.EDU (Finagle, etc. Durflinger,Edward M)
Newsgroups: alt.true-crime
Subject: HELP FIND TAMMY ZYWICKI'S KILLER
Date: 4 Sep 1992 16:09:24 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

        This is an update to the information about Tammy Zywicki that I
recently posted to this network.  The body in Missouri was indeed
identified as being that of Grinnell senior Tammy Zywicki. I post this
information in the hopes that concerned people will continue the effort in
the hopes of bringing Tammy's killer to justice and making our roads a
safer place for both women and men.

        The letter makes references to a poster containing a police drawing
of the truck that Tammy was last seen getting into.  If you would volunteer
to post these drawings in your area, send your address or fax # to me and I
will get you copies of the material.

Thank you;
Ed Durflinger
durfling@ac.grin.edu
_____________________________________________________________________________
						4 September 1992
						Grinnell College


	YOU CAN STILL HELP IN THE SEARCH FOR TAMMY'S KILLER!!!


	Tammy Zywicki, a 21 year old Grinnell College senior, was abducted 
on Interstate 80 in Illinois, near LaSalle, on Sunday afternoon, 23 August.  
Her body was recently found along the side of a road in southwest Missouri, 
stabbed seven times in the chest and once in the right arm.  While the Search 
for Tammy is over, the Grinnell College community is continuing its efforts to 
find the person that is responsible for this horrific crime.

	The enclosed poster was the last one released, before Tammy's body 
was identified.  The truck is a white semi, with diagonal stripes of rustish 
color. 
        This truck has been identified as a vehicle that was parked in front of 
Tammy's car on I-80.  While the driver is NOT a suspect, the police are 
attempting to contact the driver in an attempt to discover what transpired 
on that Sunday afternoon of her disappearance.  If you have any information 
pertaining to the Tammy Zywicki case, or know anything at all concerning the 
truck, please call the Illinois State Police at either of the following numbers:

	1-815-224-1150   or 	1-800-U-HELP-ME 
 

	Please post this poster and keep your eyes and ears open for any 
information pertaining to this case.

			Thank you very much,

			The Grinnell College Community



 
Newsgroups: alt.cyb-sys
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: intro
Date: 29 Aug 92 08:20:42 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

C558215@mizzou1.missouri.edu (daemon) writes:
: Definition:  'Magick' is the act of influencing probability in an
:      attempt to gain a specific outcome of a particular event.
:  
This is magick, but magick is more than just this. I agree that the
more you practice magick, the more your subconscious will work
towards your "specific outcome". Also, the more you practice, the
more your conscious will work towards the outcomes that your unconscious
needs too.
.
:  
:  
:    o An indirect implication of this definition seems to be that order
:      is merely a string of chance events.  In other words, order is a
:      subset of chaos.

I was wondering how long it would take you to incorporate chaos in...

:  
:  

--
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mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
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Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Crowley's Significance? (Hitler)
From: shawnb@ecst.csuchico.edu (93)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:02:57 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

In article <kebuJI200iUyE1fgAW@andrew.cmu.edu> Shawn Clayton Knight <knightster+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>>I've never heard anyone connect Krishnamurti with Crowley before.  Do you
>>really think that he was a product of Crowleyan lines?  Didn't Besant
>>follow more from Blavatsky (Bailey?) than from Crowley?
>
>I thought so too ... as I recall, Krishnamurti was raised to become the
>head of the Theosophical Society by becoming the "World-Teacher" (I
>can't remember the Theosophical term).  Near the time he was to be
>installed as such, he proceeded to declare (essentially) that he was
>nothing more than anyone else, and a lot of stuff about tolerance (which
>is great) and doing your own will with respect for the will of others. 
>A very cool idea.
>

  Well, Crowley did not think highly of either Annie Besant or Krishnamurti.
Me makes some particularly rapid remarks about both in one letter in _Magick
Without Tears_.  I do not have the book with me, so i cannot quote accurately,
but Crowley called Krishnamurti a "Negroid Messiah" more than once.

  The connection is not true to Crowlean doctrine, whatever that is.

93!
shawn
From: malcolmc@spider.co.uk (Malcolm Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Shielding <was: Re: Empathic question>
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:05:50 GMT
	<1992Sep3.232206.28523@samba.oit.unc.edu>
	<Bu14yI.Eyv@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK

In article <Bu14yI.Eyv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:

>    That spatial perception is part of the Kinesthetic end--it's the same
> way I get things.  Colin is describing the Tactile end of
> Tactile/Kinesthetic.  The Kinesthetic magical senses are, I think, the
> most loosely mapped to the physical senses.  However, once you've felt
> things that way, you don't really need descriptions again--you *know*
> that you're working with.  Having read your post on Healing about a
> dozen times, I am convinced that you and I perceive things *very
> similarly*.  I suspect we would be able to do some amazing concert work.


I know exactly what you mean... My teacher told me there were three
types of 'astral senses':

Clairvoyance:   astral sight, magical sight, visualisation
Clairaudience:  astral hearing, listening to spirit guides, etc
Clairsentience:  astral 'knowledge' - just knowing how things are.

I dont like his labels, but.. I definately orient towards the latter. I
can visualise, and its a very powerful tool when I can - but more, I
suspect, becuase Im bringing two senses onto the field of play rather
than one.. I had to work very hard to gain what visualisation I have
though. Hearing I found easy, but clairsentience, I found intuitive and
natural. 

I perceive things magically by holding a 'model' of them in my head, it
maps poorly to physical senses, but is much more capable of handling
concepts that dont map to the physical. I usually get flashes of sight
along with it, if I dont push for full-spectrum sight..

I dont know about the tactile part.. I wouldnt have used that
description. I 'know' where something is, I can fit it into my internal
model, perceive it - but I dont feel it in the sense of physical touch.

--- Calum
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From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Subject: Re: ritual curse against an enemy (help wanted :-)
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:00:26 GMT

In article <187j5uINN39i@agate.berkeley.edu> tedrick@melody.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) writes:
>Can anyone tell me (or recommend a source for) some ritual curses
>to use against enemies (assuming this is legal, are we still free
>to do this kind of thing these days?)
>
>It's getting so you can't make a move without violating some law,
>and enemies endlessly interrupting and interfering with ones routines
>as if they have some divine right given by the state to step on you
>despite one not having initiated any kind of hexing or interference
>is getting out of hand.


This from the person who was just likening crowley to hitler, and saying
that "black magicians" (sic) were trying to destroy the world?  Please, 
give me a break. ....(sarcastic gesture, snarl).

		-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu
		Guardian of the Nine Gates, Master of the Dead, 
		Demonologist Supreme

Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 10:57:03 -0400 
From: Shawn Clayton Knight <knightster+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Pentagram
	<Btw2KL.Ept@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

I tend to use the upright pent for invoking something spiritual (and for
the banishing ritual, as I am invoking something high to force out
something lower, i.e. positive thoughtforms to eliminate negative ones).
 I use the inverted one when I want to cancel magick, "dispelling",
"normalizing", etc.  Whenever I want to nullify magickal effects and
uplift "normal" material effects.

-shawn
From: eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Belief Systems
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:00:29 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <memo.589066@cix.compulink.co.uk> shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>
>[...massive amounts deleted..]

>Religion is for those who want easy answers.
>
>Magick is for those who desire power, and yet may still learn that
>the fool who persists in his folly may become wise.
>
>Warriors are on the path towards knowledge: New knowledge and the
>ability to tap into direct experience of whatever interests them, and
>the forbearance not to be prejudicial in their judgements of that
>experience. This is no different from the discipline of a dedicated
>scientist, except that it extends the search for knowledge way beyond
>the traditional boundaries and the traditional worldview that
>underpins science-as-she-is-practised-today.
>
Some alternative definitions:  Religion is any collection of belief
systems which is fundamental to the basis of the individual.  Science 
is a religion to its adherents. Christianity is a religion to its. 
Various philosophies are religions. Shamanism as a body of beliefs is a 
religion.  Etc. 

Magic is a tool, like a chainsaw.  You might just as well say that chainsaws
are for those who desire to cut people up, and yet may learn that they can
cut wood with them as well. There's lots of kinds of magic this newsgroup 
doesn't explicitly address that count in this, including a lot of the 
magical tools of the shaman. 

			-eddie@legba.oit.unc.edu
	 
P.S.  Incidentally, I liked most of the referenced post quite  a lot.
From: jmeritt@rod.mitre.org (Jim Meritt)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: references, please
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:53:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Originator: jmeritt@rod.mitre.org


I happen to have these just sitting around.  I would appreciate people
recommending what they think would be the "best" (feel free to add it to
the list.  I may go and buy it) and a line or two on why they think it
should be so rated.

	Magic and Mystery in Tibet - David-Neel
	How to make ESP Work for You - Sherman
	The Mystic Sciences - Waite
	Mind-Search - Nicholas & Regush
	Magic: An Occult Primer - Conway
	The Secrets of Kahuna Magic - Steiger
	Telecult Power - Dubin
	The Search For Psychic Power - Hammond
	Secrets of Mental Magic - Howard
	Secret Mental Powers - Young
	Your Innate Psychic Powers - Buens
	How to Use ESP - Laure & Steiger
	Psychic Energy - Weed
	Master Guide to Psychism - Boswell
	The Power of Psychic Awareness - Brown

Thank you.


-- 
James W. Meritt:  m23364@mwunix.mitre.org - or - jmeritt@rod.mitre.org
The opinions above are mine.  If anyone else wants to share them, fine.
They may say so if they wish. The facts "belong" to noone and simply are.
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: The pentagram
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:41:31 GMT

ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:

>In article <1992Sep3.134332.11359@ddsw1.mcs.com> eshin@ddsw1.mcs.com
>(Eshin-Fun) writes:
>>>>rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>> Does anyone know the origin of the pentagram...

>> It is a venerable symbol used
>>by Wiccans, Masons, and Pagans representing Truth, Knowledge, and Divinity
>             ^^^^^^
>		- where do you get this idea? I'm honestly curious.

>							Peter Trei
>							Editor, Masonic Digest

I suspect he means the Eastern Star.  People conflate the two frequently.  I
used to until I started reading the Digest.


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

******************************************************************************
Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Any other Akkadians out there?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:20:52 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <oedAIDu00Vor85GkEj@andrew.cmu.edu>, Kerwin Yap Chua <kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Hello out there.  Am new to this newsgroup, and I'm wondering if there's
> anybody out there who is specifically into Ancient Mesopotamian faith. 
> If so, does anybody have any suggestions as to books or resources for a
> devout but uninformed Akkadian (other than the N-con, which we don't
> talk about anyway)?  Eagerly awaiting response.
>  
> KYC
> kc3u@andrew.cmu.edu
I don't know exactly what you mean by *faith* -- I am certainly strangely
magnetized by the culture and interested in everything I can read about it.
Right now I'm reading *Mesopotamia* by Jean Bottero, which is very good.
Perhaps you could clue me in to what the N-con is, and why we don't talk
about it, and any other information about Akkadian-ness.  

Regards, Lou
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: "Andrew A. Chernov, Black Mage" <ache@astral.msk.su>
Subject: Tarot GIFs request
Keywords: Tarot GIF
Organization: Kurchatov Institute of Atomic Energy, Moscow
X-Natal-Chart: Sun/Virgo, Moon/Capricorn, Asc/Saggitarius
X-Tarot-Aim: Curriculum Hermetis
Date: 29 Aug 92 13:11:30 GMT

Hi, Tarot lovers.
If you have Tarot pictures in 256-color GIF or in other well-known
graphic format, inform me where I can get it, please.
I can use anonymous ftp or E-mail, no BBS access.

				Thanx in advance.
-- 
In-This-Life:  Andrew A. Chernov    |  "Hay mas dicha, mas contento
Internet:      ache@astral.msk.su   |  "Que adorar una hermosura
Organization:  The RELCOM Corp.,    |  "Brujuleada entre los lejos
	       Moscow, Russia       |  "De lo imposible?!"  (Calderon)
From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: Court Cards
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:08:00 GMT

ndarvish@vax.clarku.edu writes...
> 
>        I am having trouble interpreting court cards when using the celtic cross
>spread. How do you interpret a 'personality' into the positional meaning of the
>card? For instance, how do you interpret a prince of swords whn it is in the
>position of the crown, or of 'emotional attitudes'?

+---------------------------------------SubG----------------------------------+
The Celtic [say Kelt-ick, not Sell-tick] method is wildly inferior, IMNSHO to
other, more exhaustive methods;  sort of a parlour trick to introduce folks to
the idea(s) of using the deck more than a serious method of divinitation.

You've got to consider the sephiroth that corresponds to that position in the
reading, further the association of the court cards in general, and of the
card in particular.

It is also worth noting that taking the card by itself is ludicrous--
attributing anything to a single card by itself is pointless outside the 
larger context of the rest of the reading and in fact the rest of the deck.
Sort of like trying to discover what sort of person someone you meet is by
only examining his or her nose.
+----------------------------------------SubG---------------------------------+

>        I usually use Crowley's method or the Golden Dawn's (virtualy the same)
>and never run into this problem.
>        The only way that i have overcome this porblem is to use only the major
>arcana cards when using the celtic cross but then you don't get the same
>subtlety of interpretation that you do with the full deck.

+----------------------------------------SubG---------------------------------+
That must make for some rather dramatic readings.
I think that your practice of removing the lesser cards is just this side of
ludicrous;  akin to trying to play poker with a pinochele [sp?] deck.
+----------------------------------------SubG---------------------------------+

>                                        Bruin








-SubG
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Another Crowley question
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:21:10 +0000

shawnb@ecst.csuchico.edu (SEPB) writes ...

>  I do not in any way consider myself a 'flame-master'. If you would
>  like I'd be more than happy to refer you to a wealth of 'better
>  information' as you call it. Read the man's own works. Read the
>  words of the responsable people who knew and worked with Crowley:

>  "Never does Crowley attempt to minimize his worst traits in favor
>  of the higher or more socially acceptable. Here is evident that
>  magnificent difference which makes him altogether dissimilar to any
>  other spiritual, metaphysical or philosophical instructor of our
>  time."
                                                
>                                                 -Israel Regardie
>                                                 _The Eye in the Triangle_

You will note that at the time of writing, the little smiley denoting
irony, was not in common usage by members of the 'Golden Dawn'

:-)


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From: friday@netcom.com (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Subject: Re: Learning Styles
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 01:57:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

My compliments to you on your essential flexibility with John & Sarah.

All too many people see things in only one way.  As Maslow said (my
paraphrase):  "If you only tool is a hammer, the world seems as only
nails."  Flexibility is one of the essential keys to personal power
(which, coincidentally, is what I think Magick is all about!).
-- 
---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---   ---
    - Friday -                   "If a miracle happens in your vicinity--
      friday@well.sf.ca.us                            take credit for it!"
      (Carol Anne Ogdin)
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 12:27:00 -0400 
From: Shawn Clayton Knight <knightster+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Crowley's Significance? (Hitler)
  <l9slajINNtc@west.west.sun.com>
	<64897@cup.portal.com>

>I've never heard anyone connect Krishnamurti with Crowley before.  Do you
>really think that he was a product of Crowleyan lines?  Didn't Besant
>follow more from Blavatsky (Bailey?) than from Crowley?

I thought so too ... as I recall, Krishnamurti was raised to become the
head of the Theosophical Society by becoming the "World-Teacher" (I
can't remember the Theosophical term).  Near the time he was to be
installed as such, he proceeded to declare (essentially) that he was
nothing more than anyone else, and a lot of stuff about tolerance (which
is great) and doing your own will with respect for the will of others. 
A very cool idea.

The whole affair reminds me of Dune, in which the Bene Gesserit (=Theos.
Society) produce and train the Kwisatz Haderach (=World Teacher) who
turns against their idea(l)s of him and proclaims freedom - Krishnamurti
(=Paul Atreides).

-shawn

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