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From: rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM OS/2 v.2.0 demo in Atlanta
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:13:58 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

gt8080a@prism.gatech.EDU (Henry 'Hank' Harlan Roark III) writes:

>I just got back from a demo of OS/2 v.2.0 given at the IBM Tower in Atlanta.
>Just a few tidbits I thought you'd like to know.

>Great presentation.  Micheal Dudley gave the presentation.  After the
>demo...

You know, after I got back from the Atlanta demo/hands-on session
I was really disappointed. :-(  I have heard about all these rollouts
in NY, LA, etc. and how they were glitzy, professional, and all
that you would imagine from a big company like IBM.  What did we get
in Atlanta?

It was done in a training room.  They had 4 PCs along one wall (only
four!).  You had to wait on people, in fact one of the PCs was an
IBM notebook computer and it didn't even seem to work.  Then the
computer that was attached to the projection screen (okay there
were 5) went down and they had to grab one of the 4 from the hands-
on table.  The one thing that did impress me was that there
wasn't a machine more powerful than a 20 MHz 386DX in the bunch
and OS/2 ran just fine...

The whole session was not too organized.  They person doing the
presenting was an IBMer that didn't seem to be overly knowledgable
or much of a speaker.  Her assistant was a bit better (I discovered
later he was a temp assigned to the answer center!).  Minimal product
literature was available (it was like all they had was one flyer so
they Xeroxed it), no giveways, and only two people that
weren't really bundles of information.  I sort of felt like I wasted
my time...

The whole event left me believing that these two people must have
approached their management asking, "Is Atlanta going to have a 
roll-out extravaganza?"  When the answer was no they must have
whined enough until managements said, "Well, if you two can get
a room and round up some computers, do whatever you want..."
Sad :-(  Hey, Atlanta IBM!  If this is the best you can do, just
go ahead and cancel the thing for May and June.  You may hurt 
more than you help.

Disappointed in Atlanta,
Robert
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Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 19:45:34 WUT
From: FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: first looks at GA (very short)


GA is considerably faster than 6.304beta and needs much less swap-space.

Some pointed remarks:

- ATM for Windows is included, but the fonts are not installed automati-
  cally. If you wish to do so use disk #5 for the fonts. Using CorelDraw's
  WFNBOSS-converter and PFM2AFM.EXE I translated some fonts (e.g. homeward)
  into Postscript format and installed it not only under Windows ATM, but
  under OS/2 GA ! Quite funny dropping those fonts on the workplace shell !

- Performance on a notebook with 20MHz 386Sx, 60MB disk, 10MB memory. The
  user-interface is almost as snappy as the beta version on 33MHz 486
  machine with 16MB memory ! Windows-apps are running as fast if not faster
  as under true DOS+Windows.

- Performance on an old 386 with 20MHz and 4MB only (IBM PS/2 80-111, 4 years
  old) was very bad. Switching between sessions takes 20 seconds and up.
  However, once you are in a session, that session seems to work at quite a
  high speed, so creation and switching sessions is slow. Adding another 4MB
  of memory to a total of 8MB makes the machine as fast running WINOS2+WinApps
  as under pure DOS+Windows+WinApps. With other words, it is running like a
  charm  under those conditions. Conclusion: Use 6MB or 8MB on your machines,
  if you can afford memory (it is cheap these days anyway).

- Regarding my 486/33MHz with 16MB - it has the 6.304 beta on it, because I
  did not have time to install GA as of yet (next thing tomorrow, it is
  evening in Europe).

- Regarding the 7-liner of BASIC-code which randomly writes random values
  into the first 1 MB of a session. I could not manage to bring OS/2 GA
  down neither on the notebook nor on the 386. I never managed to do that
  on my 486 machine with 6.304beta either. Conclusion: 32bit OS/2 is truly
  a safe system compared to DOS or DOS+Windows. Errant applications cannot
  destroy the system under 32bit OS/2 as they automatically do under DOS
  and Windows.

---rony


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: prs@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Phillip R. Scarr)
Subject: Re: Paradise OS/2 2.0 Drivers
Keywords: Paradise, OS/2 2.0
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:35:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.031613.2154@towers.rn.com> davidh@towers.rn.com (David Holland) writes:
>Hi all!
>
>Just a simple question, I just upgraded my Paradise card to 512K, and was
>wondering if there was any word on PM drivers for 640x480x256 under
>OS/2 2.0?

From a VP at Western Digital / Paradise:

"OS/2 is a dead operating system and we have no plans to create new
drivers for it for any of our products.  Sorry."

That was 6 months ago.  Things may be a little brighter today (although
compared to the folks at Trident, the Paradise people are total
neanderthals (not to insult neanderthals, though)).  I have seen rumor
of some drivers for 2.0 which may be available this summer MAYBE.  I
have trashed my Paradise card in favor of a new Trident card because
they have demonstrated a consistent commitment to OS/2 and are the
farthest along in driver development.

>
>Thanks!
>
>David Holland
>
>davidh@towers.rn.com

	-Phil
From: asgeir@cs.umd.edu (Asgeir Karl Olafsson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Offer to Overseas--I'll help you upgrade for free
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:09:24 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <jumper.702658427@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham) writes:
>This offer goes to anyone who wants some help upgrading from 1.x, windows or
>DOS at US prices.
>
>The offer is this:
>1) You let me know you my want my help 2) You are willing to pay overseas
>freight charges (I do not know how much and you will have to reimburse me or
>arrange pre-payment) 3) If customs demands it(though why should they) you get
>to pay them also 4) You are willing to send me your English Language proof of
>license and are willing to except an English language version of the manuals.

Has it been established that IBM USA will upgrade OS/2 1.x's that were
bought in Europe?

There is probably a difference between the proof of license forms in the
USA and Europe, so it not like we could trick IBM into giving a free 
upgrade :-)

Asgeir.
From: bauwens@acs.ucalgary.ca (Luc Bauwens)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Ready for prime time? (Was Re: OS/2 musings)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:06:07 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Apr13.165353.7920@ornl.gov> rm3@ornl.gov (MCBROOM R C) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.084053.24520@news.Hawaii.Edu> tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) writes:
>>
>>So the question becomes, why didn't IBM go ahead and flood the distribution
>>channels in December, and provide those things for which GA was delayed via
>>the CSD mechanism?
>
>They would have been slaughtered.  The Dec. 6.177h LA release was
>"Not Ready For Prime Time"
 
No doubt about that.  The real issue is, is the GA release really
ready for prime time?  From what I read here, it seems to me
that most of the bugs in WPS in the LA are still there in
the GA (plus a few new ones?).

It's clear that IBM has to operate under a different set of
constraints than MS (MS can afford to wait until their product
is ready before releasing it; nobody really expects them to
stick to their timetime.  On the other hand, they
suffer a serious penalty if they release buggy stuff).

Still, I personally would rather wait for another three months to
get an OS/2 2.0 as polished as win3.1 is right now...

Of course, IBM is in some sort of a no win situation.  If
they don't release, the window of opportunity will shut very
quickly and their credibility will be affected.  They
will get slaughtered on Wall Steet (that, I don't care
about; might be the best thing that could happen to them...).
If they release a premature, buggy version, they will get
slaughtered in the specialized press and may mortally 
damage the image of basically sound product.

That would be a pity.  Especially since (it seems to me,
at least, that) the momentum is growing very quickly
in favor of OS/2.  (For instance, compare traffic in the
os2.misc and the ms.windows newsgroup;  also, have you
guys noticed that the religious wars between OS/2 bigots and
win bigots has largely moved out of os2.misc to the ms.win
group?)

In some ways, I wonder whether IBM's clumsy approach to marketing 
isn't actually working in their favor, at this point?
No bullshit, no brainwashing, no noise... Eh, I like
that...

(After all, the main social role of a personal computer is
that of a status symbol, right?  And I get to get a
more powerful one that my neighbor, right?  What would
happen to my manhood, otherwise?  So, when the trade
rags say that OS/2 is for the power user while
win 3.1 is for the rest of us, they actually do create
a very strong marketing position for OS/2.  If the cost
is the same, don't we all want to be in the "power user" group...?)

Let's just hope that IBM doesn't blow it again...  
(Isn't the major problem with OS/2 that it's an
IBM product... :-)? 

Luc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: DOS Program Icons Under OS/2 - How?
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:28:36 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <2354@isgtec.isgtec.com> ted@isgtec.com (Ted Richards) writes:
>All my windows programs' icons show up fine under OS/2, but all of the DOS
>programs that I migrated show up with the simple OS/2 DOS window icon.
>When I try to change the icon to a "DOS" .ICO file in the program settings
>box, there is no error, but the icon becomes a blank.  These files came from
>one of the icon collections on SIMTEL.  They worked fine under Windows 3.0.
>On the other hand, if I try to read a .ICO file into the Icon Editor,
>it says the file is not a proper icon.
>Has anyone been able to use these icons under OS/2 2.0 GA?  Is there a utility
>that converts them to somthing OS/2 will recognize?

Yes indeed.  You can obtain the utility cvtico from hobbes.nmsu.edu
via anonymous ftp.  Check pub/os2/utils.  (I think that's all
correct.)
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: DESKPIC for OS/2 2.0?
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:09:17 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Apr9.160153.3328@dds4.uucp> lum@dds4.uucp (Michael Lum) writes:
>One of the programs I liked the most for OS/2 1.3 was Deskpic.
>I've tried the updated version for OS/2 2.0 betas but was disappointed.
>Is it possible to have animations as the background?

Not yet -- it is in the works, I believe.

Note that you can now run Windows screen savers (such as AfterDark for
Windows) if you are using a display driver that supports so-called
"seamless Windows."
-- 
Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: gwebster@student.UVic.CA (Gord Webster)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 Release: First Impressions
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:47:30 GMT

In article <rdippold.702930585@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>rm3@ornl.gov (MCBROOM R C) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr9.181653.28887@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>I miss command history in DOS sessions.  I'd like this to be the
>>>default.
>>>
>>Just put "call doskey" in your autoexec.bat and you have it :-)
>
>One thing they're missing... (All you OS/2 utilities programmers).  I
>really miss my file name completion.  I can get it under DOS, of
>course, but not under an OS/2 window.  It's incredibly useful.  You
>just type a partial file name ("TES") and then hit tab, and it cycles
>through all the files that match that (TEST.ARJ, TEST.GIF, TESTER.EXE)
>in that directory.
>-- 
>Grasshoppotamus:  A creature that can leap to tremendous heights...  once.

I would think that since 4DOS has that ability, that 4OS2 would also be 
able too. It is a relacement for the command processor. I have heard it is 
available from anonymous ftp somewhere (perhaps hobbes??)

I plan to give it a try when my GA box arrives in the mail...
-- 
________________________________________________________________________
| Gord Webster           | Be cool or be cast out - Rush               |
| University of Victoria | MACINTOSH - Machine Always Crashes, If Not  |
| Victoria, B.C., Canada |             The Operating System Hangs.     |
From: prao@ucsb.edu (Parik Rao)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Quick'n'fast Novell access
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:54:26 GMT
Reply-To: prao@bluemoon.ucsb.edu
Organization: U.C. Santa Barbara

Thanks to all who responded to my query.  The suggestion that I change
lastdrive to E: (from the default of Z:, apparently) did the trick.  The
Netware requester for OS/2 v2.0 started shipping yesterday I'm told, so 
we'll see if that does the trick to get seamless access.  If anyone has
the 2.0 requester, does it require installation on the server, or just
workstation changes?

BTW, I had to copy LOGIN.EXE from SYS:LOGIN to my local drive to get it
working.

--
parik rao				                 prao@bluemoon.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: tsmcnamara@trillium.waterloo.edu (T.S. McNamara (Tim))
Subject: Re: OS2 My experience/minor problems
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:19:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.171638.2102@ncsu.edu> linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.152625.28104@cs.rose-hulman.edu> swartzjh@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Jeff H. Swartz) writes:
>>
>>Well I was one of the lucky ones at the COMDEX show to win a free copy of  
>>OS2 2.0 and I installed last night.  The installation was relatively easy,  
>>but I think IBM should have posted more information on the screen about  
>>what was going on (SMALL DETAIL).  I got it up and running but I have one  
>>problem.  My printer will not work.  It initializes itself when I turn the  
>>computer on, but when I try to print from OS2 it says YOUR PRINTER IS NOT  
>>ON, or another error.  I have booted on a DOS disk and the printer works  
>>fine.  The printer is set up on LPT1. 
>>
>>	System Configuration
>>		483 -33 8 megs of ram
>>		130 meg IDE hardrive
>>		Soundblaster Card
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>OS/2 uses IRQ7 (the default for the Soundblaster) for printing.  All you need
>to do is change it to a free IRQ, and you should be in business.
>
I experienced the same problem on my PS/2 A21.  At first it did noy occur to me
that it could be an IRQ conflict since the microchannel is supposed to be able
to share the interrupt lines.  Also, COM2 and COM3 share the same interrupt without any problem - that is, they have been used simultaneously.  Could this be 
something particular to the SoundBlaster?  - DMA conflict?

Tim...
From: aefros@cc.utah.edu (ALEXEI EFROS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: OS/2 and Norton
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:43:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: fcom.1992Apr13.154741.9212
Reply-To: aefros@cc.utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center


Hi, all you OS/2 gurus!

I have a question. Will OS/2 DOS emulator be able to run Norton Commander 
and/or Norton Utilities? I really depend on Norton Commander and cannot
afford to loose it. Also, is Mr.Norton thinking about porting his wonderful
products to OS/2? 

Thanks,
Alexei
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: steverod@owlnet.rice.edu (Steven Harold Rodrigues)
Subject: Re: Help Requested
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:46:44 GMT

In article <9204082017.AA13216@data.src.honeywell.com> bergstro@src.honeywell.com (Pete Bergstrom) writes:
>
>Todd O. Howard (ohoward@matt.ksu.ksu.edu) writes:
>
>>I'm looking for a good review (unbiased) that sums up os2/2.0's 
>>strengths and weaknesses (both promised, and if possible, delivered).
>>Does anyone know if such an article exists, and if so where?
>>
>>Todd
>
>I just read an article (by Petzold) in April 28's PCMagazine.  All in
>all, I thought it was a fair review, even given the last, or
>next-to-last beta version used.  Of course, I read the windoze review
>too and my impression is that windoze still doesn't give me what I'm
>going to OS/2 for.
>

I thought that the article itself was pretty fair, and a very good review.
Then again, Joe Salemi used to hang out a lot on the OS/2 FidoNet echoes
(don't know if he still does, since I don't have the time to read them).

The impression I got from the rest of the magazine, though, was "Windows
3.1 r00lz, d00d. Buy it!". (I must confess that the screenshots in the
Windows review -- which is the most I read of it -- were really funny,
the way they emphasized dinky little features.


>Pete


-- 
Steve Rodrigues          | "... And there is nothing that can captivate, fire
steverod@owlnet.rice.edu | and give wisdom to a noble heart as can a face lit
Rice Computer Science    | with star-lit eyes."
			 | 		- Michelangelo
From: easyrob@cs.utexas.edu (Robert Depew Reynolds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Tseng Labs (ET4000) drivers!
Date: 16 Apr 1992 00:34:48 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: coltexo.cs.utexas.edu

I talked to somebody a TSENG labs.  He said that IBM had been giving them
a hard time about 2.0 drivers. (Wouldn't that be the stupidest thing to do.)
He estimated the drivers would be available in 2 MONTHS!!!!!

It sounds as though IBM wants to clear all drivers themselves, and release
them in their own CSD.  I heard the same above story from the guys at
Creative Labs about drivers for my SoundBlaster Pro.  I guess the only way
to get SVGA drivers now is to get in on a beta program.  I just wish more
companies had the liberal beta programs that Trident has, give it to everybody
and let the problem reports roll in.

Everyone who owns a board based on the ET4000 should call Tseng Labs and
give them a hard time, so that they release there drivers in beta form!!

Thanks to the latest PC Magazine articles on Windows 3.1 their phone
number is (215) 968-0502. 8-) BIG smile!


/===========================================================================\
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|  (512) 345-8509        <TELEPHONE |      wish!              /    \        |
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|  known to speak for an employer or even like 'em   |    FAST ---- CHEAP   |
|  most of the time.  Well there is PAYDAY!  :-)     |                      |
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Comparative programming OS/2 / Win (was Re: sexy guis?)
From: jstewart@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:05:14 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <10829@chalmers.se>, d9mikael@dtek.chalmers.se (Mikael Wahlgren) writes:
>>One very important difference is that the origin in Windows is in the upper
>>left corner and in PM it's in the lower right.
> 
> Te lower LEFT corner actually, I think.
> 
> Mikael Wahlgren      d9mikael@dtek.chalmers.se

	BUT, if you were the moniter looking at the user, it would be your
lower right corner. Tsk, Tsk!:)

							John Stewart
From: max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Microsoft wins
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 22:48:20 EDT
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM (Gess Shankar) writes:

> I fear that Microsoft will have more of a success in getting OEMs to bundle
> Win 3.1, given that OEM is already in for MsDos.

Unless of course enough consumers complain about being stuck with an 
inferior OS, and demand a quality OS.

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From: gs45@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gregory  Scobee)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM!!! Please get it together!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:31:33 GMT
Reply-To: gs45@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gregory  Scobee)
Followup-To: comp.os.linix
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University


In article <1992Apr8.235320.7245@cs.brown.edu> wcn@cs.brown.edu (Wen-Chun Ni) writes:
>In article <zbrj+8m.rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>>jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim) writes:
>>: Actually, Coherent runs on a 286 box, has preemptive multitasking,
>>: gives a good facsimile of Unix, takes 6-10MB of disk space, and
>>: costs $100.
>>: 
>>: Of course it doesn't have all those neat features OS/2 has like a
>>: GUI, Windows and DOS emulation, application base, etc.
>>
>>And it actually compiles programs with data as big as *64k* bytes! Why in
>>Dietys name they haven't fixed that?!  It's a cute toy though.
>>
>
>Linux is preemptive, and it costs nothing. It has 10 consoles, I guess.
>But I think it's for hackers. OS/2 is much more useful for the general
>public as the professionals. The only unknown thing is: the cost of the
>development tools.

Linux only supports 4 virtual consoles.  
other things:
	386sx and up only
	at least 2MB ram required
	gcc requires 4MB
	it's in beta test,  but it is stable.
	only supports 64MB processes (that is megabyte) now, this will
		change.
	Uses the minix file system (limits partion size to 64MB)
		This to will change,  but with both groff and
		GNU emacs on my hard drive along with most unix
		utils and I have about 30 of the 64 free.
	X hasn't been ported,  though it is being worked on.
	It's available by ftp at tsx-11.mit.edu.
	The current release is 0.95a but 0.95c+ is coming out this
		week,  it includes some bug fixes and a little
		more functionality.
	Has its own comp group: comp.os.linux.

Its nice and but I intend to also run os2 as soon as I buy a bigger
hard drive.

-Greg
I set the follow up to comp.os.linux
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Fix_find?
From: jstewart@desire.wright.edu
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:55:16 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

	What precisely does the fix_find(or it looks like in GA ffix) program
do?
					John Stewart
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc