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From: uncle@milton.milton.u.washington.edu (Milton Friedmen)
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:05:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.UNCLE.92Apr14100524
	<29E90622.4D69@tct.com> <1992Apr13.193417.18074@techbook.com>
	<1992Apr13.222433.21316@techbook.com>
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Sublime Thoughts and Actions Corp.

In article <1992Apr13.222433.21316@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:

> Path: news.u.washington.edu!usenet.coe.montana.edu!rpi!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!iWarp.intel.com|psgrain!percy!nosun!techbook!gummitch
> From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
> Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
> Date: 13 Apr 92 22:24:33 GMT
> References: <29E70BD8.5923@tct.com> <1992Apr12.004019.25492@techbook.com> <29E90622.4D69@tct.com> <1992Apr13.193417.18074@techbook.com>
> Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
> Lines: 36

> burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble) writes:

> >In article <29E90622.4D69@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
> >>According to burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble):
> >>>According to chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg):
> >>>>There isn't any "censorship" involved here.
> >>>
> >>>You're right, Chip.  It's *discrimination*.
> >>
> >>Absolutely agreed, Burt.
> >>
> >>And when we no longer have the right to discriminate good from bad --
> >>to support the former and, just as important, _not_ to support the
> >>latter -- then it's time for me to find another country to live in.
> >>-- 
> >>Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
> >>      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs

> >You're right again Chip.  And having read a few of B-cpu's text files,
> >I'm reversing my position regarding BITS' discrimination.  I guess I
> >don't support free speech when it champions anarchy, racism, malicious
> >mischief, and several other social ills.  I wanted to be open minded,
> >but in this case, that would be the same as injecting myself with
> >rabies.  8-(.

> >-burt (a week older, but a century wiser).

> It's always a treat -- unfortunately a rare one -- to see someone do a
> little research and change his mind.  Good work.

I think it's time to retrieve another word from the dictionarary.  "Sarcasm"
--
..  I want a COLOR T.V. and a VIBRATING BED!!!
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From: jinouye@columbus.cse.ogi.edu (Jon Inouye)
Newsgroups: pdx.general,ogi.general
Subject: OGI Colloquia (reminder)
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:24:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.36083
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute - Computer Science & Engineering

[This is a reminder about the OGI CSE colloquia series. -JI]

ScaLAPACK: A Scalable Linear Algebra Library for
	Distributed Memory Concurrent Computers
David W. Walker, Oak Ridge National Laboratory

Friday, April 10, 1992, 3:30 p.m.
Main Seminar Room, OGI Administration Building

This talk will describe a software library for performing linear algebra 
computations on dense and banded matrices on distributed memory 
concurrent computers.  Scalability, portability, flexibility, and ease-of-use 
are important design goals, and the routines are intended to run 
efficiently on large-scale problems on machines with up to a few 
thousand processors.  The approach taken rests on three underlying 
design decisions.  (1) The square block scattered (SBS) decomposition is 
used in all algorithms. This decomposition is practical and sufficiently 
general-purpose for most, or all, matrix-based applications.  (2) The 
library routines have an object-oriented style of interface: matrices are 
objects that contain both the matrix data and information about the 
matrix storage and decomposition.  (3) The library routines are 
implemented in terms of block-oriented Level 3 BLAS routines, and all 
interprocessor communication takes place within these BLAS routines. 
Auxiliary libraries for performing common communication tasks, such as 
matrix transposition, and for specifying and inquiring about the 
decomposition are also planned.  Details of the distributed versions of the 
Level 3 BLAS routines DGEMM (general matrix multiply) and DTRSM 
(triangular solve) will be given.  Their use in the right-looking variant of 
LU factorization will be described, and performance results on the Intel 
iPSC/860 hypercube and Delta machines will be presented.

--
Jon Inouye                             USENET: jinouye@cse.ogi.edu
Distributed Systems Research Group     UUCP  : {tektronix,...}!ogicse!jinouye
Computer Science and Engineering Dept  PHONE : (503) 690-1009
Oregon Graduate Institute of Science & Technology (formerly OGC)
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From: burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble)
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:38:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Apr10.183838.6564
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix

In article <gate.VmmZiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> maynard@b-cpu.UUCP (Maynard "the Main Nerd") writes:
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
>      _Computer Bits_ magazine (of Portland, Oregon) PURPOSEFULLY
> CENSORED Banished CPU from their BBS list (as they finally admitted on
> 04/09/92) and refuses to include us in any future BBS listings!  Why?
> I was told:  textfiles that challenge certain parts of the official
> "Holocaust story" (the worst thoughtcrime!) and a textfile on
> explosives, with information that can be found in public libraries!
> Also, they said they'd had "complaints" about Banished CPU.  Imagine
> that...
>

It sure would be enlightening to see a response from Computer Bits.

From what I've been able to determine by dialing into b-cpu, it is an
OPEN FORUM, with only one purpose; to remain an *OPEN* forum.  Some of
the posts are disagreeable, but so what!  One can always move on to the
next message.  Also, if you find some of the information *outrageous*,
you can always do some research.  And you can argue, debate, or
whatever.  So no harm done (at least that cannot be undone 8-)  ).

  So I think BITS' censorship is unwarrented.  Also, to quote
from BITS' Primier Issue (August 1991), in a fledgling column THE
SOAPBOX.  An article entitled: "It's Just Like Pioneer Square!"
     ....Suppose you want to know who has the lowest price on Blotus
A-B-C, or when and where the best, most intense, most happening, most
supportive, most informative (choose any combination) user groups meet,
or where the neatest electronic bulletin boards are........" followed
by a plug for Computer Bits.

Seems kind of hypocritical of Bits to censor b-cpu.

Any comments on this are welcomed
-burt
burt@techbook.com
                                       "I choose the Danger."

				       -McCoy: Star Trek III: 
				       "The Search For Spock"


-- 

If there isn't any light at the end
of your tunnel, try self-delusion;
It works!
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From: jprevost@visual.spk.wa.us (Jack Prevost)
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:42:27 GMT
Organization: Alpha Centauri loop - 4.3 light years at 2400bps...

In article <1992Apr13.222433.21316@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:
>burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble) writes:
>
>>You're right again Chip.  And having read a few of B-cpu's text files,
>>I'm reversing my position regarding BITS' discrimination.  I guess I
>>don't support free speech when it champions anarchy, racism, malicious
>>mischief, and several other social ills.  I wanted to be open minded,
>>but in this case, that would be the same as injecting myself with
>>rabies.  8-(.
>
>>-burt (a week older, but a century wiser).
>
>It's always a treat -- unfortunately a rare one -- to see someone do a
>little research and change his mind.  Good work.

I agree.  But, on the anarcy bit, remember that anarchy is a political
viewpoint, believing that no gov't is the best gov't.  The bad bit is
violent anarchism, or just plain being an a--hole.

>"Where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe."
>                                    --Thomas Jefferson

Heck, Tom Jefferson himself was an anarchist, or minarchist, if you
prefer.  The two are much alike...  I think Jefferson would shudder to 
see what our country has become.  (I don't think that the U.S. lives up
to Mr. Jefferson's ideal of minimum power of the ruling class.  And yes,
there is a ruling class in the good ol' U.S. of A.)

Sorry, my anarchist tendencies just coming out there.  <grin>  Peace.
 
 /\/\/\____________________ "Stop!  Put down that pickle!"
/jprevost@visual.spk.wa.us \		-Melanie Hayber? Audrey Farber?
\.signature virus was here!/		 Betty-Jo Bioloski? Oh, you
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/\/\/		 mean NANCY!
From: mikeh@sequent.com
Newsgroups: sqnt-public.msgs,pdx.general
Subject: Re: Negative Costco Service
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:41:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr17.024127.29763
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

We had a meeting with another car in a shooping center parking lot and the
other lady had no license. We called the police who took 40 minutes to arrive
and then said it was no big deal. The lady was German and had never applied for a license in the state. The police told us both to exchange names and go
home. They actually told her to drive home knowing she had no license.
Seems that since parking lots are private property the rules are different.
From: jamesm@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com (James Moore)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Looking for a fishing boat
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:16:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: hp-vcd.62320004
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Vancouver, WA, USA

I'm in need of a 16 or 17' fishing boat of good quality with trailer and
motor included in the deal.

Do you know of any good deals? if so, send me an email message or give me
a phone call.


Thanking you in advance

jamesm

*************************************************************************
James E. Moore, Sr
Vancouver, Washington (206) 944-2938

email: jamesm@vcd.hp.com
The meek, not the weak shall inherit the earth!!
From: geske@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com (Brent Geske)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: HOUSEMATE WANTED / Vancouver
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:49:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: hp-vcd.62320005
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Vancouver, WA, USA

HOUSEMATE WANTED

To share beautiful 3 bedroom house in
Vancouver's Burton/97th neighborhood.

The house is located on a quiet,
un-travelled cul de sac, and has a
fenced back yard.

The house has quick access to I-205
and the Vancouver Mall, and is located
close to the country club.

Own bath.  Non-smoker required.  Cat OK.

$350/mo. + 1/2 utilities.  $200 deposit.

Contact Brent at:
	(206) 253-6051 (h)
	(206) 944-3780 (w)

Or, email to:
	geske@hp-vcd.vcd.hp.com
Newsgroups: sqnt-public.msgs,pdx.general
From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Subject: Re: Negative Costco Service
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
Distribution: pdx
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 00:35:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.171158.14339@sequent.com> petebob@sequent.com (Pete Apple) writes:
>  While she sat there, one of the Costco employees that was
>gathering carts pushed his stack a little too enthusiastically and the
>lead cart rammed into the back of my new car, breaking the taillight.
>She caught up with him and he denied it, saying "it was the wind" and
>being extremely rude.  She pressed the issue and a manager took a
>report and said I'd hear from them.
>
>I received a letter from Costco headquarters that said:
>
>After reviewing the facts of this incident, we can see no negligence
>on the part of Costco, therefore, We must respectfully deny your claim
>and refer you to your auto insurance carrier."
>
>When I questioned this at the local Costco, they pointed to a sign that
>basically says "Costco is not responsible for any damage that occurs in
>the parking lot."

I'd file a claim against them in small claims court.  Make them try to
defend that in court.  A sign DOES NOT waive your rights unless you
agree, preferably in writing, to agree to it.  They ARE responsible
for damages while on their property, especially since their employee
caused it.

>So, I know where Costco places customer satisfaction now.  I guess if
>you want Warehouse prices, you have to deal with Warehouse friendliness.  :-|

Costco raises the idea of "user indifference" to an art.  They really
are worse than the phone company, and approach the cable companies in
their lack of care for customers.


-- 
Alan L. Peterman                                   (503)-684-1984 hm
                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: eric@bermuda.rain.com (Eric Cook)
Reply-To: eric@bermuda.rain.com
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Wanted:  Handy-person for Bathroom Wall Repair
Keywords: recommendations
Date: 6 Apr 92 7:10:15 GMT
Distribution: pdx

Greetings,

I need someone to repair/replace a 3' x 3' section of ceramic tiled wall in
my shower/bath.  Is there someone that is highly recomended by Net-Folk who 
will do this kind of small-time work and not charge me through the nose.
I'm located in Aloha.

Any pointers would be muchly appreciated,

Eric
(H) 591-8113
(W) 629-3026

----
Eric Cook                           |     UNIX?  Sure, I'll take a dozen; 
eric@bermuda.rain.com               |         one of each color.


Newsgroups: sqnt-public.msgs,pdx.general
From: petebob@sequent.com (Pete Apple)
Subject: Negative Costco Service
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: pdx
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 17:11:58 GMT

Back in January I went into Costco while a friend waited in the car for
me.  While she sat there, one of the Costco employees that was
gathering carts pushed his stack a little too enthusiastically and the
lead cart rammed into the back of my new car, breaking the taillight.
She caught up with him and he denied it, saying "it was the wind" and
being extremely rude.  She pressed the issue and a manager took a
report and said I'd hear from them.

I received a letter from Costco headquarters that said:

"This will follow up your recent claim for the damages to your automobile
while in the parking lot of Costco Wholesale.

After reviewing the facts of this incident, we can see no negligence
on the part of Costco, therefore, We must respectfully deny your claim
and refer you to your auto insurance carrier."

When I questioned this at the local Costco, they pointed to a sign that
basically says "Costco is not responsible for any damage that occurs in
the parking lot."

So, I know where Costco places customer satisfaction now.  I guess if
you want Warehouse prices, you have to deal with Warehouse friendliness.  :-|

-- 
Pete_Bob Apple					       Sequent Computer Systems
petebob@sequent.com, sequent!petebob		       15450 S.W. Koll Parkway
Bob is not just a name..			       Beaverton, Oregon 97006
It's a way of life.. 				       (503) 626-5700
Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: jenq@eecs.cs.pdx.edu (Yih-Chyun Jenq)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: Digital Video & High Definition TV Colloquium
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:29:31 GMT
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Portland State University, Portland, OR

Friday, April 10, 1992
DIGITAL VIDEO AND HIGH DEFINITION TV COLLOQUIUM
3:00 PM at OCATE  



                 "Computer-Based Video Measurement Systems"
				
			 	   by

				John Lewis
			      Tektronix, Inc.

ABSTRACT

   In the TV distribution chain from studio to viewer, the accurate
measurement of video signal parameters is essential for the maintenance
of picture quality.  Over the years, television distribution equipment
has become more reliable and automated, while television operational
equipment has become more complex.  Consequently, the engineering skill
emphasis in the TV industry has gradually shifted from technical to
operational.  As a result, automated measuring equipment is now
routinely used for the technical assessment of signal quality.

   This paper first gives a mini-tutorial on key aspects in the quality
assessment of a video signal.  It then traces the technical evolution
of the modern fully-automated video measurement set.


SPEAKER
   John Lewis joined Tektronix TV Division in 1976 from the BBC,
London.  He has been associated with automated video measuring
equipment for the past 16 years, first as hardware project leader on
the 1980 video measuring set and most recently as program manager for
the Tektronix VM700A video measuring set, which has become the
world-wide reference instrument for comprehensive video measurements.



Y. C. Jenq, professor of electrical engineering at Portland State 
University is the organizer of this series.  For more 
information, contact the organizer at 725-5414 or email him 
at jenq@ee.pdx.edu.


The Oregon Center for Advanced Technology Education 
(OCATE) was chartered by the State Legislature and 
commissioned by the State System of Higher Education to 
develop a cooperative educational program that would 
support the rapidly changing needs of the high-
technology community. Faculty, engineers, and scientists 
from the Oregon Graduate Institute, Oregon State Univeristy, 
Oregon Health Sciences University, Portland State University, 
University of Oregon, and many other local, national and 
international researchers contribute to the workshops, free 
lecture series and graduate courses sponsored by OCATE. 
OCATE is located on the Oregon Graduate Center campus in
Washington County. For more information about OCATE, call 
690-1460.
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
From: merlyn@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Followup-To: pdx.general
Reply-To: merlyn@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Organization: Stonehenge; netaccess via Intel, Beaverton, Oregon, USA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:36:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.183838.6564@techbook.com>, burt@techbook (Burt Keeble) writes:
|	    An article entitled: "It's Just Like Pioneer Square!"

Now this is an interesting twist of subtle irony.  Pioneer
[Courthouse] Square is owned by a private firm established with public
money.  The owners can *and* *do* control what happens *in* the
square: it's private property.  We found that out the hard way when we
were out collecting donations for a 501(c)3 charitable organization
one day.  We were told that we couldn't do it *in* the square without
paying a bribe^H^H^H^H^H license fee to the owners, but that we were
free to use *the* *sidewalk* (since that is *public* property
supported by tax dollars).

So, if Banished CPU is like "Pioneer Square", you may be in for a
surprise. :-)

Just another free speech advocate (support cable access!),
-- 
/=Randal L. Schwartz, Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095 ==========\
| on contract to Intel's iWarp project, Beaverton, Oregon, USA, Sol III      |
| merlyn@iwarp.intel.com ...!any-MX-mailer-like-uunet!iwarp.intel.com!merlyn |
\=Cute Quote: "Intel: putting the 'backward' in 'backward compatible'..."====/
From: reeder@reed.edu (Doug Reeder)
Newsgroups: pdx.general,local.soc
Subject: Delta Clipper Lecture
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:35:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr9.003547.21564
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Tether Propulsion Division, Institute of Knowledge, Jinx


William Gaubatz, McDonnell-Douglas Program Manager for the Delta
Clipper single stage to orbit vehicle, will give a lecture on the
Delta Clipper program on Saturday, April 11 at 2 pm, at OMSI in
Portland.  The general lecture will last about an hour, followed by
roughly an hour of technical nitty-gritty.  Admission is free, tell
the ticket-takers you are there for the Oregon L-5 Society meeting.
The lecture is sponsored by the Oregon L-5 Society (of which I am president),
a chapter of the National Space Society.



-- 
Doug Reeder                                   USENET: ...!tektronix!reed!reeder
Internet: reeder@reed.EDU                     BITNET: reeder@reed.BITNET
"They were conversing strictly in Looks, a language which to the untrained eye
seemed to consist entirely of sidelong glances." _Schismatrix_,Bruce Sterling
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.telecom,pnw.general,alt.bbs.ads
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:55:04 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble):
>  So I think BITS' censorship is unwarrented.

There isn't any "censorship" involved here.
Try looking up the word in the dictionary.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs
Newsgroups: pdx.general
From: dcbayern@PDaXcess.techbook.com (Douglas Bayern)
Subject: Looking for a good plumber
Organization: Portland Public Access sponsored by TECHbooks Bookstore
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:35:47 GMT

I'm looking for recommendations, pro and con, for local plumbers.  
Reasonable rates are nice but honesty and quality work are much more 
important.  Thank you.

--
dcbayern@PDaXcess.techbook.com (Douglas Bayern) (Public Access User)
PDaXcess gives free access to news & mail. (503) 644-8135 - 1200/2400, N81  
Send to info@techbook.com for more information.
Public access users are <NOT> affiliated with TECHbooks.  
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Call Banished CPU for *REAL* Freedom of Speech!
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:55:14 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to burt@techbook.com (Burt Keeble):
>According to chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg):
>>There isn't any "censorship" involved here.
>
>You're right, Chip.  It's *discrimination*.

Absolutely agreed, Burt.

And when we no longer have the right to discriminate good from bad --
to support the former and, just as important, _not_ to support the
latter -- then it's time for me to find another country to live in.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
      "Informix 4GL is not a 4G, and it's barely an L."  -- John Tombs
From: norrisj@ptld.WV.TEK.COM (9100)
Newsgroups: pdx.general
Subject: NWVRS Vintage radio swap meet
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:39:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: shaman.748
Reply-To: norrisj@ptld.WV.TEK.COM (9100)
Distribution: pdx
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.


 The Northwest Vintage Radio Society is a non-profit historical society
 incorporated in the State of Oregon. Since 1974 the NWVRS has been dedicated
 to the preservation and restoration of Antique Radio & Wireless Apparatus.

 This Saturday, April 11, will be our Spring Swap meet. The public is
 welcome to buy, sell, or trade.

 It is scheduled for 10:00 AM, but activity usually starts about 8:00.

 The meet will be held at the Vintage Radio Museum, 7675 SW Capitol Highway
 (at 32nd St.). You may call Norris at 503-390-8543 (Salem) for more info.

 Don't forget to explore upstairs when you arrive to see perhaps the largest
 antique radio collection in the state!
From: snoopy@sopwith.uucp (Snoopy)
Newsgroups: pdx.general,pdx.consumer
Subject: Looking for painter, roofer recommendations
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:59:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: sopwith.1992Apr8.235956.53
Followup-To: pdx.consumer
Distribution: pdx
Organization: The Daisy Hill Puppy Farm

A friend is looking for recommendations for house painters
(exterior, 2 story, wood), and for someone to fix a small
leak in the roof and/or window.  Bonus points if they can
also fix the minor sheetrock damage from the leak.

Email recomendations and I'll forward.  Thanks.

    _____
   /_____\   Snoopy	(My house only leaks from the inside.)
  /_______\   
    |___|    cse.ogi.edu!sopwith!snoopy
    |___|    {ares,illian,loop,parsely,qiclab,sequent,techbook}!sopwith!snoopy
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