From: jacob@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jacob Jin)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Playing Double-up in roulette
Date: 11 Nov 1992 08:06:38 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <dbarber.721441839@crash.cts.com> dbarber@crash.cts.com (David C. Barber) writes:
>Given a minimum bet of $2 (tell me if this is out of line to expect
>these table limits) and a table limit of $500, is playing double-up
>on the even money bets at roulette a slow way to make say $50-$100/hour,
>or a quick trip to disaster.  Assume that my bankroll will let me make
>the $256 bets if necessary.
>
>Who has done the study on all the possible combinations of win/lose
>and how one comes' out from it.
>
>Also, do the LV casinos ever ask you to leave, or close the table
>just after you've lost your $128 bet for the sake of "getting" a double
>up player?
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>Without change,                         *David Barber*
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>
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You seem to have a pretty good grasp on the basics of winning roulette, but
there are a lot of as-of-yet unpublished techniques that are
essential to money-making play which you may or may not be
aware. First of all, the Martingale(the "doubling-up" method
you refer to) is a powerful tool whose profit potential has
escaped most computer analysis. The casinos are not willing to wait
hours, while giving a player free drinks, while he grinds down
a few dollars here and there, much less hundreds an hour. They are
in the business of making money, and making it fast! I have personally
been escorted to the doors adn asked never to return, simply
because I remain at the wheel for hours on end. Many of these
times I have made only a few hundred before their patience runs thin.
Part of avoiding such an unpleasant confrontation is learning to
make cover bets and plays. Break up your pattern! Don't let them
catch on to what you are doing! Make it known you are there to 
"have fun" -- if they catch on for even a second you are using
the Martingale or one of it's modernized variants(such as
The Centigram Quad X5 Matrix....details on this system can be
obtained by writing msm@btr.com) they will be much less polite.
One key play is the "subtangent", where you begin one string
of bets in the middle of which you begin another betting
string -- then return to the first string after a set number
of second string trials. Many pit bosses find this difficult
to detect. 
The numbers to choose are entirely up to your own judgement, of
course, but remember, the casinos believe they have an
edge because of the 0 and 00 slots on the wheel. The very
simple solution is to take that edge away by covering those
numbers every 35 or 36 times. Again, some of the sharper 
pit bosses might detect this pattern, so shorten or lengthen
the intervals....maybe every 30 times for a few minutes,
then 40 times.
The last important thing to remember is commitment. Many
of the losing roulette players you see bet wild, and lose
because of it. But you may have a losing session or two.
The important thing is to stick with it! That's what
will separate you from the losing players! 




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