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From: goodwin@huey.udel.edu (Thomas Goodwin)
Subject: Re: Is transom exhaust worth while?
Keywords: transom exhaust ski power
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.175529.15182@cbfsb.cb.att.com> heon@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (garry.j.heon) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.214739.2676@lgc.com>, rap@zycor.lgc.com (Robert Poldervaart) writes:
>> I'd like to get some feedback on transom exhaust.  I've got a 205hp V6
>> on a 19' V-hull boat.
>> 
>
>Here's my experience with through transom exhaust.  I have Merc silent choice
>on my 28' Baja whick allows me to choose between through transom (no mufflers)
>and through prop.  This is a must in NJ since noise limits are enforced in my
>area.  The boat is a 28' Baja with twin 502's spinning 27" props and I had the
							^^
Is this correct?????

>dove tails removed from the lifting strakes.  The boat runs 4800 rpm with the
>exhaust through the prop. If I hit the switch and bring the exhaust through
>the transom (four pipes 10" long 4" diameter) the rpms climb to 5100.  In my
>opinion I would not opt for only through transom exhaust unless you install
>mufflers.  I don't know how much back pressure the mufflers would add and
>change the results I've seen.  If you go without mufflers it will be loud
>and annoying when you just want to take a "booze cruise" and talk with a couple
>of friends.  Then again that's why the have hailers.........
>

Wow your baja must be a rocket!  I'd love a ride on that boat.  Must be good
for close to 80 MPH.

To answer the initial posters question on installing a thru-transom exhaust
on a runabout/skiboat......NO WAY!  In my opinion you would be making a lot
more noise for only a small increase in performance.  It really isn't fair
to compare your boat with the above high preformance Baja. I have a 19ft.
v-hull openbow runabout with a 165HP straight4 merccruiser and I was
VERY happy with the allaround improvements gained by installing a stainless
steal prop.  I also installed a Doel-fin that while might sacrifice 1-2MPH
top end, gets a skier out of the hole quicker.  I have had 7 people in the
boat and gotten up on 1 ski.  The noise issue is a real one also.  As it is
you probably know that it is sometimes difficult to hear the skier ask you
a question imagine adding about 10dB to your engine volume.

Tom
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Bayliner myths: a challenge
Date: 9 Sep 1992 11:15:36 -0400
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
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In article <1357@niktow.canisius.edu> pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.130206.24082@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, jadams@vixen.uucp (26070-adams) writes:
>> 
>> This weekend on the aforementioned Barnegat Bay, one of these "Straw
>> Hatters" (A local term for jewelry festooned morons) managed to park his
>> 32' go fast machine high and dry on double creek shoals.  Friends of mine
>> who make a living doing salvage and towing told me he was going "hell bent
>> for election" when he failed to notice that the poor excuse for a channel
>> made a 90 degree dog leg to port...Oops!
>
>  It was obviously the Corp of Engineer's fault for  not straightening out 
>  the channel for this responsible and mature/adult boater.  I'm sure that
>  his lawyer will be in contact with them shortly.   :-)
>
>  greg pavlov
>  pavlov@fstrf.org
>
>
>  (and imagine if there was a family or a group having a picninc there.  Woulda
>   been their fault if someone got hurt.  It's a posted no swimming area, after
>   all.  So they'd get sued as well.  Those fast-boat people know their constit-
>   utional rights.....)
>

You seem to have a real beef with fast boats...

As long as they aren't near you, what's the problem? If the above idiot
ran his go-faster up on a shoal, then it's nobody's fault but his own.
If there were people on it that weren't supposed to be there, well they
should have no problem with their misfortune, and neither should Mr. Fast
boat.

You don't seem to notice that hundreds of fast boats that obey the law,
and keep it down around others. You just jump all over the one bad example,
and make sweeping generalizations about a whole group of boaters, of which
I'd bet you know very little.

I've seen a drunken sailboater run slap into a bulkhead, and break the
(whatever that mast that sticks out the front is called) in two. Does that
make all sailboaters drunken morons? What if Mrs Kare Bear and her 2.4 kids
had been on top of the bulkhead, and gotten run thru by the broken mast?

You must be alot of fun to be around...

-- Mike

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From: foy@mpx0.lampf.lanl.gov (Foy, Patrick I.)
Subject: Re: Bayliner myths: a challenge
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: LAMPF Data Analysis Center, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:27:00 GMT

In article <18q34kINN3ro@gilligan.East.Sun.COM>, mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes...
>In article <1992Sep10.145158.4341@bnlux1.bnl.gov> gc@bnl.gov writes:
>>In article 14192@cbfsb.cb.att.com, heon@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (garry.j.heon) writes:
>>
>>Obviously there are *!#$%s on both sides of the sail/power division.
>	[lots of stuff about rude boating deleted]
>>---
	[More stuff I thoroughly agree with deleted
	but I must respond to the following]
> 
> 
>One way I use to see how much experience a person has in a boat
>is to watch them launch and trailer it. A good boater in a well
>rigged boat can be in or out of the water in under 3 minutes with
>ease, and never has to leave the helm. An inexperienced boater
>seems to take all day, and they always have ONE person do all
>the driving (of the tow vehicle, and the boat). This means that
>they have to pull up, dock (usually blocking the ramp in the pro-
>cess), go get the tow car, and finally get the boat on the trailer
>(usually with alot of wading, and harsh words towards one another). 
>Sailboats are a bit different in this regard, because of their
>odd shape, low power, etc..
>IMHO, there are alot of people out there who don't know what they
>are doing, from the moment they drop the hitch over the ball. I'm
>not saying this to sound elitist, it's just that I see more people
>do stupid things in one day at the lake than I see the rest of the
>week.
> 

	Want a good laugh?  Just go to your favorite lake, find a
shady spot by the boat ramp, or anchor off shore (out of everybodies
way for your safety and theirs) and just watch.  Unfortunately,
people die of their own stupidity around launch ramps.  I've seen
everything from a lady backing the trailer over her husband, to
some clowns who took the bow hook loose too soon (before boat was in water)
and the rollers promptly throw boat on concrete.  That was a 17' Larson
I/O.  New Mexico is currently going after DWI boaters...about time.

AND STILL, the worst day on the lake is still better than being here anytime.

Patrick



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From: steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey)
Subject:  New jibs (was: Awesome sailing last weekend, huh?)
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
	<STEPH.92Sep3144232@candide.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Sep9.153322.23930@panix.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:04:41 GMT

Hmm...

I'd be interested to know what you discover.  I'm deeply curious what
makes a sail a dog or a gem.

The seas are as full of tales of buying new sails and moving from the
bottom to the top of the fleet as they are of doing the same thing by
putting on more backstay than you ever did before.  I've also heard a
surprisingly large number of tales this year of buying new sails and
moving from the top to the bottom.  I know a competitive J/35 who got
a new #1 from North (a supposed master of quality controlled sails),
and starting bringing up the rear!  Go figure.

I suppose in one design racing, at least you have a solid standard of
what your boat could be doing.

This weekend we raced in a near drifter from Michigan City to Chicago,
our average speed was 2.3 knots.  We ran away from most of the fleet
with pure boat speed.  Usually we spend these races making excuses
about how we're not a light air boat.  I never saw why that was the
case, and once we twiddled with our sails, we found we could get good
light air speed (of course, duplicating the feat is now the tricky
part).

>  ... Our fourth
> this past weekend was the owner of Dimension Sailcloth and is an
> aeronautical engineer....

That sounds like a rock star if I ever heard of one.  I always figured
Dimension was an arm of some huge conglomerate.  Did you learn
anything of interest from him (her?).

Steph

 
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From: mfp@sobeco.com (m.proudman)
Subject: Ocean Navigator Courses
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:42:19 GMT
Summary: Anyone been on an OCEAN NAVIGATOR cruise/course? Comments?
Keywords: Navigation, Courses, Ocean


Has anyone been on one of the Ocean sailing/navigation courses run
by and advertised in OCEAN NAVIGATOR magazine?

It looks good, and I'm considering trying one.  Any comments or
recommendations from experienced OCEAN NAVIGATORS?


Mark F. Proudman
mfp@sobeco.com
uunet!sobeco!mfp

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From: whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (Will Howard)
Subject: Re: A sailing problem
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:11:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.191825.19121@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F.
Hughes) writes:
>
>A year or so ago I proposed a couple of thought experiments---situations that
>*might* arise while sailing---for folks to think about and propose solutions
>to. Here's another. There's no real problem here, just an exercise in thinking
>about appropriate preparations.
>
>It's late in the season (see why this came to mind?) and you have to sail 
>from your mooring over to the harbor where your boat gets hauled out each
year. 
>She's 28 feet, a sloop rigged cruiser, and you've brought along a couple of 
>sailing friends to help out. The sail is about 15 miles, and you're getting 
>hauled out first thing Saturday morning. You meet up with your friends after 
>work on Friday (cutting out a bit early) and get to the boat at 5 PM. It's 
>October 15, and the boat is kept in CT. 
>
>Late Thursday night a coldfront passed through, and the NW winds that followed
>the front have been dropping, but it's still a good steady 8-12 kts from 
>the NW. The course from your mooring, along the coast to the haulout place, 
>is about SW. 
>
>What preparations do you make before setting out? You have arranged, by the
>way, to pick up a mooring at the haulout harbor---it's mooring number 237, and
>it has a white float with a blue and gold band and the numbers "237" on it. 
>
 1) Better make sure you have a searchlight to pick up that mooring

2) Batteries charged, and running and instrument lights working? It's gonna get
dark by the time you get there. (and auxiliary sailboats do not necessarily
have alternators for charging batteries).

3) Either have a dinghy, make sure there's launch service at the haulout harbor
(and know how late it runs - this time of year launch schedules tend to have
switched if they're running at all), or be prepared to stay aboard overnight.

4) Make sure engine is working and there's fuel. The day after a cold front
passage you'll tend to have a dying northerly.

My two cents.
From: ben@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Benjamin Ellsworth)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:58:54 GMT
Subject: Re: unusual incident (was Re: Lobster Pot)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: rec.boats


Oxford's Concise edition has a definition for partners (it is not
limited to masts).  Webster's has one for hounds.  I believe that the
full OED has both, but I haven't looked yet.

---

Ben

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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Andrew in Miami
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 23:17:08 GMT

In article <BtnJM8.ItA@encore.com> jteloh@fenix.encore.com (John Teloh) writes:
>
>The reports from the local news and newspapers show that the Black Point 
>and Dinner Key areas were heavily hit by Andrew. Boats stored in dry storage at
>Black Point Marina were destroyed as the building collapsed around them.

[...]

>Have not had much info on how well the marine interests in Miami Beach faired.

Two years ago, I spent a few days sailing with a boat from Florida
Yacht Charters in Miami Beach.  I am thinking about going there again.
Does anyone know if this area had any real damage?  (On the phone,
they told me it was minimal.)  Did the Bahamas suffer much?  

Also does anyone have any opinions about this outfit.  I enjoyed
sailing with them last time on a 30' Hunter (and got my first-level
ASA rating, apparently not so highly valued by the net.wisdom). 

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com               Pat Paulsen for President
American-Occupied New York                    This year he has a real chance!
My opinions only - employer has no opinions.
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From: meyer@dbsun.uucp (Don Meyer)
Subject: PWCs
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:45:54 GMT

In article <1319@niktow.canisius.edu> pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov) writes:
>  NO inconsistencies here.  Jumping a wake and breaking a passenger's arm
>  is the "mature" thing to do.  The immature thing would be to jump a large
>  wake in a SeaDoo, or whatever the hell they call those things....

Wheeee!  Not sure how "large" a wake is too large, but jumping the small
ones is sure fun!  Even if immature. ;-)

Don
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From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:48:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Changing a name
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

In rec.boats, hagens@news.ans.net (Robert Hagens) writes:

    A simple question for all of you: If you buy a used boat, and want to change 
    the name, is this bad luck?

If you *had* to ask, absolutely.  Remember, Niels Bohr had a horseshoe
mounted over his door.  When asked if he really believed in that
stuff, he said that of course he didn't but he kept the horseshoe
there just in case. 

B.S! (why did I know that Stefan would be replying to this one?)
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What's an appropriate boat for me?
Date: 14 Sep 1992 19:24:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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In article 12913@PacBell.COM, jrtrint@srv.PacBell.COM (John Trinterud) writes:
> In article <1992Sep14.180101.4646@leland.Stanford.EDU> stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep13.053255.4684@pixar.com> deering@pixar.com writes:
> >>So, I've recently learned how to sail a Lido 14 (my club's
> >>training boat), and am seriously hooked. Now I want my own boat:
> 
> >>*  I'd like to be able to take my wife and 2 small kids out in it
> >>   occasionally (eventually), but I'd also like to be able to
> >>There's a fair-sized reservoir a couple of miles away, and the
> >>San Francisco Bay (where I learned to sail) isn't much farther.
 >
> >My honest opinion: you cannot safely sail on SF Bay in the kind of
> >boat you describe, especially with small kids. Please don't try
> >it. The smallest boat that I would recommend is a Cal20. You can
> >probably buy one for $1500, but, with a full keel, it won't be
> >trailerable.
 


Well, the San Francisco Bay is a big area, so maybe we don't all think of the 
same thing when someone mentions sailing a small boat on San Francisco Bay.  I 
have, in fact, sailed my Lido 14 on San Francisco Bay many times.  True, heading
across the slot or racing the Berkeley Circle is not an appropriate place for 
a small boat.

However, Redwood Creak is nice.  Richmond (inner harbor, or even right outside 
is good - if there is some wind and not too much tide).  The Oakland Estuary is
a favorite place of mine.  Even beyond the Estuary is not bad for a little bit
more adventure.  However, going out the Estuary, and beyond, is a long way to
go in a boat without a head.  :-)  Richardson Bay is another place to safely 
sail a Lido 14.  And, I am sure there are other places as well that are appropriate.

Jeff Huntington
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From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Engine overheating
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:56:10 GMT

Many folks made good suggestions about the engine overheating 
problem I described a week ago. Some asked for the end results, so here they
are. 

I got a good clue when I started up the engine this weekend to bring Sarah over
to the dock--the moment I started it, the temp read 220 for about 10 seconds,
and then dropped back to 60. Hmmm.

I ran the engine for about 15 minutes with a thermometer in the expansion tank
and watched the temp gauge---similar readings, but with the gauge about 25
degrees too high by the time it read 200...

So---I replaced the sender for the gauge. Result: perfect readings. So it was a
bum sender.

Two fun facts:

(1) To measure the temp, I used a meat thermometer, as several folks suggested.
It worked fine. But I also used a gadget that stuck into a friend's digital
voltmeter. It took temperature at the probe and converted it to mV. Since the
probe has very low thermal mass, this got very quick, very accurate temp.
readings. 

(2) In preparation for things being all screwed up, I got both a new meter and
a new sender. The new meter has 180 degrees (which is the design operating
temp) at the straight-up position. This is really nice, because it's far easier
to tell when the needle's *not* straight than when it's "more tilted than it
was".  A friend informs me that in race cars, the same is true---when
everything's working fine, all the needles are straight up. That way it's easy
to detect a problem condition. 

-John
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From: danmc@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (daniel.c.mckibben)
Subject: HEAT - PROPANE OR DIESEL???
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:15:48 GMT
Keywords: heating winter sailboat live-aboard


I am facing my first winter as a live aboard and am planning on installing a
heating system of some type.  The first issue is what fuel to use.  I already
have propane and diesel on board, so that's what I am considering.  Does
anyone have information or experience on the relative costs, heat output,
and ease of operation?

The second question is what type of heater to get - a bulkhead mounted (like
a Force 10 of Balmar), or a central ducted system (like an Espar)?  I tend
to prefer the stove type because I like the radiated heat, and it will be
in the pilot house where I'll be most of the time.

I plan to have some portable electric heaters on board to provide extra heat
if needed, and for when I leave the boat.  



Dan McKibben      Wachusett                   Point Pleasant, NJ
From: steve_lemme@gateway.qm.apple.com (Steve Lemme)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Mail order parts? Where to get
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:56:17 GMT
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: Apple Computer

Just got a boat a need a good source for parts. OMC stuff as well.Also
could I replace my OMC 4 cylinder with a 6?
Post and E-mail back
Thanks
Steve
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From: wczakareckis@orion.arc.nasa.gov (William C Zakareckis)
Subject: HydroSwift Boats
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:47:55 GMT

Hello 

I have been reading this newgroup for about 6 months now, but this is
the first time that I have been brave enough to try a post.

My dilemma:

I am interested in a boat that I saw at the San Francisco boat show.
The MFR. is HydroSwift.  I was wondering if any of you netwise people
have heard anything at all about this boat.  The model that I am
considering is a 21' cuddy with a 350 chevy engine and a Volvo Duo-Prop
outdrive.  Any comments would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill 
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Clear Lake (was: Hobie mast repaired - thanks much!)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:34:14 GMT

In article <12730013@hpmwga.sr.hp.com>,
jefftb@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Jeff Brown) writes:
>   In the late summer there is often no winds until late afternoon, about
>   3 to 5 o'clock. Clear lake can get quite windy in early summer all
>   day. I'm heading up there right now to waterski so i'm hoping for no wind.
>   Seems like a good sailing lake but not alot of sailors(?).

I've only lived there 2 years so I don't have enough experience to
predict accurately whether the sailing will be good or bad by
season.  Throughout the summer and into the fall, there is often
an afternoon breeze from about 3 until 7 or 8 depending on sunset.
the signal for that will be an ever so slight breeze at midday which
does intensify.  What is tough is that there will be days of
absolute dead calm all over the lake except for a bit of localized
swirling.  It is not a coastal climate where you can absolutely
count on an afternoon breeze.

When it's good, it's really good.  When it's bad, ...

There have been some days where the Hobie sailing is awesome and
I'll be the only sail on the lake.  Amazing.  This tells me that
you can't count on good sailing so it's not worth the very tough
trip to get there.

The lake is huge, absorbs everyone easily.  Never seems crowded even
on holidays or during the bass tourneys/ water ski races etc.

Mike
From: torsten@unisql.UUCP (Torsten Weirich)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Inexperienced boaters
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:38:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <18qt72INN42v@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:


   I still make my mistakes both on the ramp, and on the water,
   as well. I just do my damndest not to be a liability to those
   around me. I don't ever want to be the guy that hurt someone
   out of my own negligence or stupidity.

Speaking of mistakes...after launching my boat hundreds of times, I think
I made what I consider to be one of the most embarassing mistakes...I
partially submerged my trailer without first putting the plug in my boat.

I quickly realized my mistake when I glanced at my plug in one of the 
drink holders and pulled it out after taking on about 2-3 gallons of water
(no big deal).  Just goes to show...even when you routinely do things,
you still can screw it up.

Much more humble now...

Torsten Weirich

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