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From: weinss@hall105.its.rpi.edu (Stephen Andrew Weinstein)
Subject: Re: RFD: reorganization of misc.jobs and similar groups
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:46:52 GMT


pcbk1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (bryan.s.katz) writes:
[summary of RFD deleted]
>I can sort of see a need to consolodate all "jobs" items, although it
>is not very difficult to look through them all now - as long as the titles
>are well-written.
>
>However, I do not see what the "misc" adds to the title.  Why can't it just
>start as "jobs"

Other than the inherent difficulties in creating a new top level hierarchy,
which would require reallocating disk space at every site on the net;
that some sites only carry the original 7 top level hierarchies (including
misc), and would therefore lose access to jobs; and that nearly every other 
group in the misc hierarchy would then try to also have the misc prefix 
removed, I can't see any good reasons.

Stephen Weinstein
weinss@rpi.edu
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From: bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: news.groups,sci.physics
Subject: Re: sci.physics.research: proposed panel of moderators
Date: 9 Jan 1993 21:03:27 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.intel.com

In article <7JAN199317511407@csa1.lbl.gov> sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
>It seems to me that I can remember a rather large group of
>threads in which Dale has been a voice of reason, if not
>the only voice of reason.

One must make the observation that it's eminently difficult
to lose the pig in the wallow, one must.

>The problem seems to be that at least a few people think that Dale has
>contributed to the noise which has forced us to create the moderated 
>group in the first place, and that this disqualifies him from acting
>as moderator.  Personally, I do not see it this way.

A moderated group is an incompressible rod in free space.

The many suspensions of disbelief that produce this fiction
result in eventual contradictions once the objects are
transported to other paradigms.  We become familiar with
the concept and expect because familiar objects behave in
familiar ways we can apply them similarly in new contexts.

Newsgroup is one; moderation is another; moderated newsgroup
is a fallacy.

Just remember the fate of rec.arts.cinema.

				--Blair
				  "Anyone seen any good Michelle
				   Pfeiffer flicks lately?"
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.culture.malaysia
Organization: Michigan Technological University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:45:50 GMT

escmar@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (~{BmOHIz~}) writes:
: 
: : >   The proposed group, soc.culture.malaysia, is intended for
: : >   the discussion of all topics pertaining to Malaysia, including
: : >   but not limited to: culture, national politics, foreign diplomacy,
: 	  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: 	Including discussions pertaining to the monarchy? :-) 
: 

Hehe...anything anyone wants. Of course, I make no guarantees about
responses :)

-chris barrera
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: weinss@hall105.its.rpi.edu (Stephen Andrew Weinstein)
Subject: Re: RFD: reorganization of misc.jobs and similar groups
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:34:58 GMT

rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:

>>4. Create new hierarchy misc.jobs.local.* and move all regional job groups
>>       (aus.jobs, ne.jobs, ba.jobs, ca.jobs, can.jobs, ont.jobs, etc., etc.)
>>       under it (e.g. make ne.jobs into misc.jobs.ne).  This may make it
>>       easier for people planning to move to find jobs in their
>>       destination area.
>
>This is a terrible idea.
>
>I post jobs to ba.jobs when I have no desire to schedule remote interviews,
>pay interviewing costs, or fund relocation.

You can use a local distribution if you feel you have to.

Also, for a variety of reasons (vacations, locations of sites that 
offer free access, etc.), many people read news from sites 1000's of
miles from where they actually live.  And some people are more than
willing to relocate for free, especially if a spouse is being forced
to relocate by a current employer who is paying the entire family's
relocation costs.

Stephen Weinstein
weinss@rpi.edu
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:09:30 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>In article <1iftqkINN77t@rodan.UU.NET> nelson@paradyne.com (Bill Nelson) writes:
>>This would be a group where the subject of the validity of the 
>>Bible, Jesus Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit will NOT be under 
>>question and topics such as abortion, creationism, etc will NOT 
>>be discussed in depth - since these already exist in the 
>>"talk.religion.misc" and "soc.religion.christian" newsgroups.  
>
>There is secular Bible study which calls into question some of what Christian
>groups see in the Bible.  Would you permit or prohibit someone who says "J is
>saying in so-and so section of the Bible, ..." where J is a hypothetical
>author other than the one religious authorities believe wrote the section?
>
>What about other religious groups that use the Bible?  (Baha'is, for instance.)
>If a person from such a group studies the Bible from the point of view of
>assuming a God not like the Christian God, does this count as questioning the
>validity of the Bible?
>
>What about Jews?  Why should a generic Bible study newsgroup require its
>participants to not question Jesus Christ? 
>
>All of these really collapse into one objection: what one group calls "study"
>is the same as what a second group calls "questioning the Bible's validity".

Hi Ken...

  When I first saw the original post, I thought of the same questions.  I
agree with you in principle, and believe that the basic idea is sound, but
the moderator has to be willing to allow *real* discussion.  Not just 
'Christian' (whatever that is!) interpretations and/or discussions.

I'll support the creation of the group so long as the charter allows for
free-wheeling discussion of the Bible.  That includes theories (such as the
J/P/D/E authorship of Genesis), redaction studies on the Gospels, etc, etc.

I won't support it if the discussion will be limited to 'Christian' views.
I know lots of Christians who disagree with me on what the Bible says...

I don't know if I have the time, but I might consider being the moderator
of such a group.

 -Steve
--
  The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
                         -------------------
   adams@spss.com                                  Phone: (312) 329-3522
   Steve Adams        "Space-age cybernomad"       Fax:   (312) 329-3558
From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re:RFD:soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:10:04 AET
Distribution: world
Organization: UCQ



      The proposed newsgroup sounds more like a biblestudy "home" group
than a newsgroup where people can discuss OPENLY.
      I'll vote against it in the present form. I think the proposed group
without a moderator will be a better option.


Salam.[I am not representing UCQ]




Newsgroups: news.groups,sci.physics,alt.fan.dale-bass
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (.)
Subject: Re: sci.physics.research: proposed panel of moderators
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:44:48 GMT

jhh@waldzell.physics.yale.edu (Jim Horne) writes:
: 
: Mostly a good cast of characters, but like a few other people, I'm not sure  
: whether Dale Bass would be a good moderator. He shares the honor of being in my  
: kill file with Abian, Sarfatti, Beckmann, van Flandern, and Hannu Poropudas.  
: Dale is not a raving lunatic like the other five, but certainly was one of the  
: major contributors to the noise problem in sci.physics.            
   I don't agree. He is just the only one with the patience and
tenacity to bother with some of the noise-makers. Besides, the other
3 are nice guys: we need somebody like Dale who can deal with
Sarfatti.  :)  My vote for Dale.
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:06:49 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:

>In article <1993Jan9.054851.21174@midway.uchicago.edu> elle@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In article <1iftqkINN77t@rodan.UU.NET> nelson@paradyne.com (Bill Nelson) 
>> writes:
>>>Proposal:                     "soc.religion.biblestudy"
>>>This would be a group where the subject of the validity of the Bible,
>>>Jesus Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit will NOT be under question.
>>
>>Then you should be proposing soc.religion.CHRISTIAN.biblestudy, then,
>>shouldn't you?
>
>Which still leaves the question:  *which* Christians?  A lot of people
>use that name, and some of them try to use it exclusively . . .
>
>I don't think this is the case here, but that all depends on who gets
>assigned as moderator . . .

As I've said, this is a task that I could do...and I beleive in open,
free-wheeling discussion...open to anyone who is interested in the Bible,
for whatever reason...

 -Steve
--
  The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc.
                         -------------------
   adams@spss.com                                  Phone: (312) 329-3522
   Steve Adams        "Space-age cybernomad"       Fax:   (312) 329-3558
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: ramsdell@linus.mitre.org (John D. Ramsdell)
Subject: comp.lang.ml -- yes
Reply-To: ramsdell@mitre.org
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:49:00 GMT

I vote yes for comp.lang.ml
John
From: tse@foolish.apple.com (Gary Tse)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: reorganization of misc.jobs and similar groups
Date: 12 Jan 93 06:56:49 GMT
Organization: Raoul Duke School of Pharmacology and Journalism

In article <C0q22y.Cv@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1isp5dINNpc4@rodan.UU.NET> weinss@rpi.edu (Stephen Andrew Weinstein) writes:
>>1. Rename misc.jobs.misc misc.jobs.discussion to cut down on postings there
>>	that belong in misc.jobs.wanted or misc.jobs.offered.
>
>In keeping with other groups, this should be .discuss.
>
>>4. Create new hierarchy misc.jobs.local.* and move all regional job groups
>>	(aus.jobs, ne.jobs, ba.jobs, ca.jobs, can.jobs, ont.jobs, etc., etc.)
>>	under it (e.g. make ne.jobs into misc.jobs.ne).  This may make it 
>>	easier for people planning to move to find jobs in their 
>>	destination area.
>
>This is a terrible idea.
>
>I post jobs to ba.jobs when I have no desire to schedule remote interviews,
>pay interviewing costs, or fund relocation.

Agreed.  If people were willing to deal with remote interviews 
and relocation, they'd post to misc.jobs.offered . Posts in
<local>.jobs.offered are there for a reason.  (Yes, I know posting 
to the local jobs groups is a weak filter.  But it's still better 
than nothing.)

Hey, if we are merging in all the geographical jobs newsgroups, why 
not merge in all the accessible site-specific ones too?  It's only fair 
to also creat misc.jobs.local.offered.ucb, misc.jobs.local.offered.su, 
etc.  (And if this takes place, all that will happen is that we will 
forget about using the net at all when we want to target hiring students 
of a specific school.)

-- 
Gary Tse, tse@Apple.COM		"The fascination of what's difficult",
(408) 862-5452  		    The wish to do what one's not done before,
				Is the proper card to show at Heaven's door.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Followup-To: news.groups
Originator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:09:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.153525.5163@pdn.paradyne.com> nelson@paradyne.com (Bill Nelson) writes:

   [...]

   All groups must have a foundation in order to filter out any non 
   pertinant information. (i.e Mac users don't subscribe to IBM newsgroups 
   to discuss their issues.) As the RFD says, part of the charter of this 
   group is to assume the validity of Jesus Christ as the son of God and 
   that the Bible is the inherant word of God.  These are not to be argued 
   here since they are already being argued in the above mentioned groups.  
   Instead, this will be a group where people already with these same 
   beliefs can come and discuss *the Word* (hence the name Bible Study), 
   not to particpate in senseless flame wars.  

   [...]

So you believe that any information pertinent to bible study must come
from people believing in the bible as the inerrant word of God? You
believe that any contributions from, say, Roman Catholics (who have a
different doctrine) would be worthless and should be filtered out? You
believe that any articles from people with alternative beliefs would
lead to senseless flame wars? Writing as one who has lead and taken
part in many very fulfilling, revealing, and productive bible studies
with all sorts of Christians and non-Christians, I would suggest that
none of these are the case. Indeed, there is even ample Biblical
precedent for studying the bible with `non-believers': what else are
Philip and the Ethiopian doing in Acts 8:26--35? There are many other
examples throughout the NT, and I would guess this is even what Jesus
is doing in Luke 2:46--48.

Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
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From: qralston@cislabs.pitt.edu (James Ralston Crawford)
Newsgroups: pgh.general,pa.forsale,pa.wanted,rec.collecting,rec.arts.startrek.fandom,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Star Trek trading cards for purchase/trade/sale
Keywords: trek buy trade sell trading cards
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:56:52 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh [CIS]


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-- 
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"Computer, you and I need to have a little talk."  - O'Brien, ST:DS9
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From: jbates+@WIZARD.OZ.CS.CMU.EDU (Joseph Bates)
Subject: AI-based Arts Exhibition at CMU, Jan 12-23
Originator: jbates@WIZARD.OZ.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:07:37 -0500

The AI-based Arts Exhibition (from the AAAI-92 National Conference
held last summer) will open in the Hewlett Gallery in the College
of Fine Arts main building on the Carnegie Mellon University campus
from January 12-23.  The reception is Thursday Jan 14th from 5-7PM.
All are invited!

The exhibition shows four pieces from the domains of music, speech,
still images, and interactive environments.  The technologies used
include augmented transition networks, genetic learning algorithms,
Lisp (of course), reactive agent architectures, the Rete pattern matcher,
speech synthesis techniques, and models of emotion.  The technologies
are used as a means toward achieving some personal artistic impulse,
which each artist discusses.

The exhibition will be reproduced in the Boston Computer Museum later
this Spring.  But while it is in Pittsburgh, come see the work, have 
fun, and then plan a submission to the AAAI-94 show!

Joe Bates
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Newsgroups: pgh.general
Subject: Car for Sale.
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:19:27 GMT
Distribution: pgh
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Newsgroups: pgh.general
Subject: Job: Spanish speaker with knowledge of business terms
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:13:51 GMT
Reply-To: ref@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Frederking)
Distribution: pgh
Organization: Center for Machine Translation, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: ref@DHAKA.MT.CS.CMU.EDU

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Newsgroups: pgh.next-users
Subject: Announcing the 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO and First Call for Exhibitors
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:21:40 GMT
Reply-To: user_groups@next.com

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Subject: Mountain Mach II drive for sale
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:21:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
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-----
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Newsgroups: fl.forsale
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Subject: Home for Sale - Plantation
Organization: MODCOMP, an AEG company
Distribution: fl.forsale
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