From: Danny_Prousline@lbl.gov (D. Prousline)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Shafarevich and National Academy
Date: 3 Sep 1992 20:02:26 GMT
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In article <1992Sep3.080520.15047@cco.caltech.edu>, patricia@cco.caltech.edu (Patricia M. Schwarz) writes:
> 
> About this Shafarevich person: I don't know anything about him, or what
> he has said or written,   sic!!!!

That is very noticeable. I am not even sure that you realize that we are talking about 
a person in Russia!!!

>but I wonder how many of the Academy members would
> be so concerned if he were guilty of sexism or hating black people or
> Moslems or Armenians or etc.etc.

> Antisemitism is bad, for sure, but so are the other things. 

For some reason Antisemitism is always a litmus test.

> And how many non-white-male members does this academy have?

Not denying that this might be a valid concern   go to talk.political-correct.
Affirmative action is idiotic by definition. And we had some experience with its 
version in xussr.
If we are talking about Russian Academy - no blacks, but there aint  any in Russia!
Russian scientists on average  probably are incredibly racist, especially 
towards blacks and sexist, too.
 
> Hatred is terrible. The Holocaust puts antisemitism into a direct
> context of terror.

A profound and immoral in a way banality.

> But how many blacks were lynched in the name of racism?

If you want to talk quantity Blacks vs Jews, you definitely lose. But it is actually  
another good illustration of what the leftist-PC etc. view really is  why do you 
think that it is appropriate to tie your agenda into this discussion?
Yours is not even personal opinion - just a brainwashed set of liberal cliches.
And the next one too!!  SEE:


>And about women - I grew up with horrible violence committed against
> me, just because of my gender.

Did you grow up in a Muslim country or someplace like that?! Poor thing.

While recognizing the validity of feminist goals, I cannot help but be irritated
and often insulted and disgusted with militant feminism, its self-isolation,
narrow mindedness and shallow anti-male mentality.
You and the likes of you create taboos, non-discussable issues and actually, I think
that the PC thang is the by-product of feminist mentality.

> If we think a scientific professional organization should be deeply
> concerned with morality, then I say - lets open up EVERY ONE of them
> for inspection. Have any of them made racist comments or sexually
> harassed their students or coworkers? Have they ever discriminated
> against anyone in appointments or evaluations? 

U-tu-tu, komsomolka 20-x godov. 

> There's a faint odor of hypocrisy here, an odor of "us against them"
> rather than sincere humanistic concern.

Sure is and on your side, too.

That was an example of cultural clash  your issues while understandable and 
generally if expressed differently would be possible to agree to.
But, as is  cause only irritation and desire to flame. Sorry.
Also again  disgusting shallowness and straightforwar approach,> -patricia<.
Try living in european mind setting x totalitarian regime  youll see.


> -patricia@cco.caltech.edu


 DP 
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