HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: donn@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Donn Terry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: more can't use stderr
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:31:23 GMT
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.

More reads stderr (yes, stderr) to get your inputs (such as space to 
continue).  This is inherited from the original source, and has been
around for ages.

If, somehow, you have set up your system so that stderr cannot be read,
it won't work.  Do you do any execs of the shell where you do something
like 2>/dev/tty? This is a write-only open.

HP's version of more trys to fail soft if it can't read stderr (it
may try /dev/tty as a backup), but if all else fails it prints the
message.  (It originally just quit with no explanation.)

If you're on a new enough system where it works, use the <> redirection
operator to open stderr for read/write (2<>/dev/tty, e.g.).  Otherwise,
you may have to be createive about seting up the file descriptors.


Donn Terry
HP
Speaking only for myself, not my employer or anyone else.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: bm@shadow.columbia.edu (Blair MacIntyre)
Subject: Need pointers writing a device driver for a ISA (PC) video card
Reply-To: Blair MacIntyre <bm@cs.columbia.edu>
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:43:18 GMT

We are trying to put a Private Eye card (something almost, but not
entirely unlike, a PC CGA card) in the ISA slot in an HP Series 700.

It seems that we (me?) are going to have to write a device drive for the
thing.  Does anyone out there have experience writing device drivers for
video type cards (or any cards!) on the ISA bus?  We may or may not want
to make this a Starbase device drive.  We probably will.

In a nutshell ... help!
--
Blair MacIntyre --- bm@cs.columbia.edu --- CS Department, Columbia University

"Men can get into shaving, because it reminds them of what stud hombres
they are, having to tame their manliness on a regular basis." - Dave Barry
From: rjn@FC.HP.COM (Bob Niland)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Distribution Media
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:27:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: fc.BvtFA2.Eqx
Reply-To: rjn@FC.HP.COM
Distribution: comp
Organization: Hewlett-Packard/WSY Ft.Collins,CO,USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL6]

Bob Niland (rjn@FC.HP.COM) wrote:

> A new edition of the "Distribution Media Guidebook for Value-Added
> Suppliers" will be available shortly. 

Available now.

> The MediaGuide does not have a part/pub number.  It is available in HP-PCL
> or PostScript download form.  Send me email to register for a copy (via
> email shar).  Please indicate preferred printer command language. 

Since two attempts to fill back orders have already bounced, let me advise
that the shar files are:
576,055 bytes (compressed PCL) and
607,033 bytes (compressed PostScript).

If the mail path to you won't permit files this large, please contact your
HP account rep and see if they can help you.  I'm not sure I'll have time to
prepare and document split files.

Regards,                                              Hewlett-Packard
Bob Niland      Internet: rjn@FC.HP.COM               3404 East Harmony Road
                CompuServe:  71044,2124               Ft Collins CO 80525-9599

This article represents only the opinion[s] of its author, and is not an
official or unofficial position of, or statement by, the Hewlett-Packard
Company.  The text is provided for informational purposes only.  It is
supplied without warranty of any kind.
From: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy))
Subject: Re: HP 9000/7xx NamePlates
In-reply-to: sieler@allegro.com's message of Thu, 08 Oct 1992 01:46:12 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Organization: Department of Physics, UC Irvine, CA 92717-4575, USA
Distribution: na
	<1992Oct08.014612.10975@allegro.com>
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:25:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct08.014612.10975@allegro.com> sieler@allegro.com (Stan Sieler) writes:
>>
>>   >|>    Does anyone know why the 710, 720, 730, and 750 don't have
>>   >|>    product numbers on their fronts?
>>   >
>>   >Because HP has always prided itself on protecting their customer's investments.
>>   >In the old days, the early Motorola 68000 based HP systems could be CPU board upgraded to 68010, then 68020, 68030, ...
>>   >
>>   I'd still rather have a nameplate on the front, today, and risk it being
>>   incorrect after a hypothetical upgrade).  Besides, even with upgrades, knowing
>>   what it *used* to be can be useful (e.g.: an Original LaserJet, when upgraded
>>   to a LaserJet+, was not quite the same as a real LaserJet+ (from experience!))

HP could ship a nameplate and a bit of glue (and list them both in the
packing list;-) ) with each upgrade. Would not cost them an arma and a
leg ...

--
Hardy 
-----
Meinhard E. Mayer,  Department of Physics, UC Irvine 
e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.protocols.tcpip
From: kent@manzi.unx.sas.com (Paul Kent)
Subject: accept() failures and how to deal with
Originator: kent@manzi.unx.sas.com
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:28:43 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.




hi y'all


i support a tcpip application that serves multiple clients and 
multiplexes those clients using a home grown tasking library
together with select() to see which clients are in need
of "service".


sooner or later i run out of file handles in my server process
and i get into trouble as the accept() call fails with ENFILE or
EMFILE. 



i witness have two snags i'd like your wisdom on.

1) the error condition is not reflected in the clients connect()
   call until i close the listen() socket.

2) the server goes into a loop, as there is always something
   ready according to select() == the listen socket is always
   ready...



it seems that a failed accept() does not remove the request
from the queue of "connectees" lined up on the listen()
socket, nor does it reflect an error to the connectee.
(at least i have a toy program that verifies this on HPUX 8.07,
SUNOS 4.1 and AIX 3.2)



my strategy is to close and then reopen the listen socket. that
delivers an error to the client's connect() and saves me from looping
till i get another attempted connect in my server, whereupon i do the same
open/close shuffle. hoping that some other client has "left" in the
meantime.




how have other folks dealt with this? my guess is that most
applications can spawn another instance of the server process
-- this is not practical for my application as we dont have the
infrastructure needed to allow two or more server processes to
share the same open files.

i don't want to go the udp route. i dont want to reinvent all
the guarenteed delivery byte stream semantics i take for granted
with tcp/ip...  for now, i setrlimit(RLIMIT_NOFILE, ... bignumber ...)
and live with the limitations..


any war stories out there that might help me out?




thanks
paul.

-- 

Paul Kent (SQL r&d)                   " nothing ventured, nothing disclaimed "
kent@unx.sas.com         SAS Institute Inc, SAS Campus Dr, Cary NC 27513-2414.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: fred@cv.ruu.nl (Fred Appelman)
Subject: Xterminal mice
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:32:20 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group

The hewlett packard X-terminal 700RX comes with two mice. One of the mice
looks like a PC mouse. It has part number 1150/1835. There is also a
model number: CA-93-6MD.
I would like to connect this mouse to a PC, and would like to know if
this is possible. The connector is round and has 6 pins. I would like
to change this into a 9-pin D-connector. Does anybody know the wiring
of this connector?

Is there a chance that this round connector is a "standard" PS/2 connector?

	Fred
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: terjej@fys.uio.no (Terje Johnsen)
Subject: Postscript output on laserprinter?
Reply-To: terjej@fys.uio.no (Terje Johnsen)
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Oslo
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 08:11:16 GMT

We have a laserprinter connected trough a serial line
to an HP 710
When we send postscript files to it (with the correct 
postscript header) it prints out the contents of the
file without recognising it as a postscript file.
We use the postscript interface script that came
with the system. 

We also saw that when the user changed to /bin/sh
which is the same as in the interface script
things worked better.

What is our problem?

How can we make the printer work when we use /bin/tcsh?

Terje
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Date: Thu,  8 Oct 1992 14:18:31 -0400 
From: Sean McLinden <sean+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: raw ethernet device driver


Well, since our search for CAP60 support for native
EtherTalk on HP-UX has failed, perhaps an alternative
strategy is needed. Is anyone aware of a raw ethernet
device driver for HP-UX on the 9000/7xx series that
would allow us to write an ethernet packet filter?

After all, you would think that a company that sells
network analyzers would make it possible for you to
use your workstation as one.

Sean McLinden
From: lee@ceg.uiuc.edu (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: /etc/resolv.conf -- 2ndary nameserver not used for VUE?
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:36:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ceg.lee.719159774
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Query on /etc/resolv.conf usage...


In our /etc/resolv.conf file, we have the following entries:

   domain     ceg.uiuc.edu
   nameserver 128.174.212.49
   nameserver 128.174.5.58

I thought when the primary nameserver was unavailable, the node would
look at the secondary nameserver.

This morning, apparently, the primary went down (ping says it's dead),
but the secondary was happily up and running.  During VUE login, the
node hung up and after a looooooong time, came back with the message
about VUE not being able to start (because the primary is down).
Shouldn't the the system go and look for the secondary at this point
instead of giving up?  (the primary eventually came back, and every
node was once again happy)

Other possibly useful info.

/usr/lib/X11/vue/Vuelogin/Xservers:

      *    Local local /usr/bin/X11/X :0

uname -a:
   HP-UX hp730 A.08.07 A 9000/730 2001696353



Thanks in advance.
-- 
Chris Lee
University of Illinois Urbana
lee@ceg.uiuc.edu
(217)244-2903
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.lang.c++
From: kpt@fig.citib.com (Kevin P. Tyson)
Subject: A question for Softbench users
Followup-To: comp.sys.hp
Summary: Interested in a Softbench mailing list?
Keywords: Softbench, C++
Organization: IISA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:17:59 GMT

We recently started a project using Softbench and the C++ Developer product
from HP.  Softbench seems to be a very useful and extensible product.  I was
wondering if there is an existing mailing list specifically for Softbench
users?  If not, would any current Softbench users be interested in
participating in one?

Thanks in advance,



-- 
Kevin P. Tyson		Phone:  212-657-5928	Fax:    212-657-4599
E-Mail: Kevin_Tyson@fig.citib.com or kpt@iisa.com
From: sullivan@interex.UUCP (John Sullivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: HPTERM
Summary: response to survey
Keywords: hpterm survey
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:14:46 GMT
Reply-To: sullivan@interex. (John Sullivan (CSL/MPE))
Organization: INTEREX Sunnyvale, CA.

Comments on HPTERM:

It is too slow.  XTERM was 13 times faster displaying text on my 705, as
measured by this ksh script:

STARTTIME=$SECONDS
cat /usr/doc/rfc1035
echo start: $STARTTIME end: $SECONDS

Results:
           Standard 80x24 screen          Full 19" display
 HPTERM           38 seconds                 145 seconds
 XTERM             3 seconds                   4 seconds


HPTERM apparently enforces "smooth-scroll", as evidenced by watching
the text display!  I hate "smooth-scroll"!

Sometimes I like to use 132-columns in my display, but HPTERM is too slow
to be worthwhile.  I would like to use XTERM, but I need to connect to a
HP3000, and all its applications expect HP terminals.

I have a program that attempts to use display enhancements in columns
0-79 and rows 0-23 that does not work properly in HPTERM.  It does work
on all other HP emulators I have tried.  The problem is:  the last line
only enhances as far as the end of the last line written, not to the
end of the enhancement.  This line is used as my "message line" and
constantly changes length.  (Perhaps I should just display 80 characters
each time?)  This program is sent to over 3000 sites.

Would I want to pay money for a better emulator?  I would certainly
expect more engineers to be given time to work on HPTERM.  How many
engineers does it take to write and support an emulator?  How many
support(ed) the AdvanceLink PC program?  (Three years ago I came 
across a deficiency that allowed users to bypass exiting procedures,
contrary to documention.  My SE contacted England for an answer.
Obviously no support existed in the US, and the problem was never
addressed.).  I'm not sure how many workstations HP sells, but 
assuming 60K units a year, and a cost of $300K dollars to develop and
maintain an emulator each year, the cost is $5 per unit.  This is
money that could be used in addition to the amount already spent
on HPTERM.  Yes, I would pay an additional $5 for a better HPTERM!

HPTERM is used too much!  Fix it!  What are you waiting for?

--john sullivan
  INTEREX
  
From: acmeyer@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Alan C. Meyer)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:18:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Passing C flags from f77/fort77
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, wonga@steam.chem.su.oz.au (Adrian Wong) writes:

> Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you pass C compiler options
> using fort77. Shouldn't there be some -W type option? e.g.
> 
> 	fort77 -c -Wc,-Aa,-DDEBUG,-D_HPUX_SOURCE foo.c
> 
> Or do I resort to setting the environment variable.
> 
> 
> Alternatively, I want to use some eispack routine in a C programme.
> I can only link it when I use fort77 as the linker rather
> than cc or ld. However, I'm still getting a Bus error, which I presume
> has something to do with the main C programme being compiled with
> cc. Therefore, I've been trying to use fort77 to compile my C
> code. Is there another way?

You should be able to use either cc or f77 to link these files, with these
cautions.  First, the Fortran driver will recognize .c files and invoke
the C compiler (with the -c flag) for these files.  However, the C compiler
will not do the same for Fortran sources.  Secondly, the Fortran compiler
automatically links to libcl while the C compiler does not (and this library
is required if any Fortran objects are being linked).

So, you could compile and link a C and Fortran source like so:

	f77 fortfile.f cfile.c

or:
	f77 -c fortfile.f
	cc fortfile.o cfile.c -lcl

As for passing on argument to the C compiler from the Fortran command line,
there is no such support.  An alternative would be to set the CCOPTS
environment variable with the appropriate value.

For the bus error, keep in mind that Fortran passes all arguments by
reference.  Make sure that your C/Fortran calling interface is correct.

Alan Meyer
Colorado Language Lab
acmeyer@fc.hp.com

"These are my own opinions ..."
From: rhody@remus.rutgers.edu (Sean Rhody)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: system load problems
Keywords: load problems
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:42:01 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


We have an HP710 with 32MB ram.  Attached to it we have 2 ncd
X-terminals.  Over the course of several days the system builds
up a load that will be very high even when no one is logged in.
At that point, it take 5-10 minutes just to log in.  We also 
run INGRES as the main application for this box.  
Any clues would be appreciated.  please post here so that
any others with this problem can benefit.


Sean Rhody (rhody@remmus.rutgers.edu)
From: mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: Re: Foundation
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:06:24 GMT
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)


	
	I too agree 100% with this assment of Foundation.

	Intuitive Technologies - now under a new name... but the same
	ownership/staff, still owe me a full update to FOUNDATION
	but simply don't plan on delivering.  I guess that they think that
	since they changed their name, they are now free of all their
	old comittments.

	Absolutely avoid Foundation at all costs.  Great concept.
	Weak implementation (I'm being nice here). Extremely poor service.

	I'd give my copy of Foundation to you, but I'm not that mean.

	Go with CanDo.  

	-Mike-
From: DeVoid@cup.portal.com (David - Lyall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: Foundation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 23:58:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <19750026@hpmwmat.sr.hp.com> <1992Oct12.153422.14593@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

>Are you guys referring to the older versions of foundation, or the new
>one (3.0) that is supposed to be available?  An article in .info last
>year (by Harv Lazer) compared all the authoring software and concluded
>that foundation was the best (even if it's manual was pretty bad).
>
>A recent full-page ad in amazing/amiga announced that 3.0 was available
>(with a much improved manual and a lowered price...)  I haven't been
>able to get past their answering machine (so I believe you about their
>service- if they can't even take an ORDER how are they going to be on
>QUESTIONS?), but might the program be worth it anyway? (no flames, I
>just want a REALLY GOOD authoring system...).
>
>-Mike (grusin@rintintin.colorado.edu)
>"I'm surrounded by idiots of my own design" -Joel, MST3000
>
	The boys behind the answering machine are mysteriously absent.
No one knows what they are doing. I would guess that 3.0 is not going
to appear. Very unfortunate.

\  / |  /\    |+ /\ |+  == /\ |    \\//
 \/  | / -\   |  \/ |\  | /- \|__  //\\
+----------------------------------------+
==> J. David Lyall > DeVoid@cup.portal.com
From: cathy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Catherine Godfrey - CATS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: AmigaVision Upgrade Policy?
Keywords: AmigaVision Upgrade
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:48:21 GMT
Reply-To: cathy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Catherine Godfrey - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct9.122748.10391@inmet.camb.inmet.com> vesty@bart.camb.inmet.com (Matt Vesty) writes:
>Is there a policy for upgrading AmigaVision to Amiga Vision Prof.?
>

As soon as I find out what the official policy is for upgrading to 
AmigaVision Professional, I'll post it.

Cathy
              ============================================
              Cathy Godfrey   {rutgers,uunet}!cbmvax!cathy
              Authoring System Support Specialist        
              Commodore Applications and Technical Support 
              ============================================
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
From: dkm@col.hp.com (Dave K. Martin)
Subject: CD-XL or CD+G without CD-TV?
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:22:08 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

As a longshot, I just puchased the "THE HEROIC AGE OF SPACE FLIGHT - NASA THE
25TH YEAR" CDTV disk hoping to use it with my Toshiba/Xetec/2000 system.
Unfortunately, all of the graphics are in CDXL anims and only a few still
pictures are available that I can view.  I realize that CDXL uses routines
that exist only in the CDTV rom set so I'm not asking to be able to view the
anims (would be nice tho :).  What I would like to try is to extract single
frames from the CDXL anims.  Anyone have a program that does this?  Is it
even possible?

How about viewing the graphics on a CD+G audio disk?  Can this be done with 
the setup above?

Dave Martin - dkm@col.hp.com
From: raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: Re: CD-XL or CD+G without CD-TV?
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:40:54 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <jbickers.0gk8@templar.actrix.gen.nz>,
jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <1992Oct7.142208.10334@col.hp.com> by dkm@col.hp.com (Dave K.
Martin
>):
>
>> anims (would be nice tho :).  What I would like to try is to extract single
>> frames from the CDXL anims.  Anyone have a program that does this?  Is it
>
>    Is the file format specification for a CDXL animation available to
>    the public?
>
>> Dave Martin - dkm@col.hp.com
>--
>*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
>***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
   No, as far as I am aware, CDXL information is not publicly available. 
However, registered CDTV/Amiga developers do receive information specific to
CDTV and related technology.
   If you are interested in developing for CDTV, or otherwise have a productive
need for this information, I would encourage you to apply as a registered
Amiga/CDTV developer with CATS.


Raymond Ulibarri
Vice President
MultiCon
Multimedia Concepts
(510)261-1001
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
From: grusin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (GRUSIN MICHAEL)
Subject: Re: Re: Foundation
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:34:22 GMT

In article <19750026@hpmwmat.sr.hp.com> mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
>	
>	Absolutely avoid Foundation at all costs.  Great concept.
>	Weak implementation (I'm being nice here). Extremely poor service.
>

Are you guys referring to the older versions of foundation, or the new
one (3.0) that is supposed to be available?  An article in .info last
year (by Harv Lazer) compared all the authoring software and concluded
that foundation was the best (even if it's manual was pretty bad).

A recent full-page ad in amazing/amiga announced that 3.0 was available
(with a much improved manual and a lowered price...)  I haven't been
able to get past their answering machine (so I believe you about their
service- if they can't even take an ORDER how are they going to be on
QUESTIONS?), but might the program be worth it anyway? (no flames, I
just want a REALLY GOOD authoring system...).

-Mike (grusin@rintintin.colorado.edu)
"I'm surrounded by idiots of my own design" -Joel, MST3000
From: rdixon@pentagon-ai.army.mil (Roger Dixon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: CDTV
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:00:59 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Artificial Intelligence Center, The Pentagon


    Can anyone tell me what CDTV titles are currently being shipped with the
system?  One of the reasons we had wanted to buy it was to get the
encyclopedia for the kids, but I saw a message the other day that send this
was no longer included.  Can anyone confirm this?

-- 
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