HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bverreau@netcom.com (stargazer)
Subject: Re: letter-grams
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 06:32:35 GMT
Organization: Starcrossed Lovers
Reply-To: bverreau@netcom.com (stargazer)
Summary: muscle control

In article <1992Aug21.135934.24858> tlouie@athena.mit.edu (Tom Louie) writes:

> Can someone give suggestions for being able to see crosseye SIRDS?  I
> can walleye very easily now, but I cannot crosseye.

That's curious.  Until recently, I had difficulty with wide-eyed stereograms,
but after practicing on the recently posted escher gif, I think I'm picking up
the knack.  Thanks to whoever posted that graphic and a bit of encouragement
to anyone who feared that it might be too hard to learn as an adult.

Back to your question - I don't claim expertise or originality, but this
seems to work for some people.  There are two sets of muscles involved in
ordinary depth perception.  One controls the convergence of your line of
sight and the other changes the focus of your eye's lens.  These two
functions normally work in unison, so the trick is to separate them
and consciously adjust first one and then the other.  For crosseyed
viewing, you need to stare at an imaginary or real object in front of
the stereo image.  Hold up a finger, for example.  Concentrate on the
near focus, but increase your awareness of the out of focus pair in the
background.  With a little effort you can fuse the - still out of focus -
left and right images.  Now imagine looking past the near object, but
keep your attention on the fused pair; don't let them separate.  You
only have to relax the tensed focusing muscles in your eyes a little to
clarify the far image.  It's not a matter of straining anything, you
just have to overcome a conditioned reflex.

--
Bernie Verreau bverreau@netcom.COM  [still only 2D :]
Netcom - Online Communication Services Redwood City, CA
From: dpr@ohm.york.ac.uk (David Rossiter)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Generation of sterograms
Date: 22 Aug 92 20:44:41 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

Hi

Can anyone give me pointers to a program/programs which
will display 3d point data, and is able to generate stereograms
from that data? 

Sorry if this has been on the net before - I'm a recent
convert!

Thanks in advance

Dave
From: davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Re: Q: Why do i see inverted Stereograms ?
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:29:42 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <1992Aug18.143024.10109@eua.ericsson.se>, tvtjet@eua.ericsson.se (Jorgen Eriksson) writes:
| This is interesting ! The first time i looked on a stereogram, i think it was
| this famous 4 blade propeller, it really stood out from the paper. A few
| minutes later i looked at the picture again but now something happened; the 
| propeller didn't stand out it now looked like a print of a propeller ! What 
| used to be a distant background had become the foreground. Since then, all 
| stereograms i have looked on appears 'inverted', even ASCII-stereograms. 
| Everyone else i have tried stereograms on seems to view them correctly.
|  
| Any explanations to this phenomena ?  

  The first time you were viewing wide eyed, thereafter you were
crosseyed. Or vice versa.
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    I admit that when I was in school I wrote COBOL. But I didn't compile.
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: afd@bellcore.com (Alex F. Dietz)
Subject: Re: Stereo Mandelbrot(s)
Reply-To: afd@bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:06:03 GMT

In article 17502@autodesk.COM, danielg@autodesk.com (Daniel Green) writes:
> In article 714122157@lillee, weberk@lillee.cs.curtin.edu.au (Keven Weber) writes:
> > 
> > [ASCII mandelbrot deleted.]
> > 
> > 
> > But I can sometimes see more than one Mandelbrot set (one inside the other).
> > Depending on how I focus I can lock onto different images, each with an
> > additional Mandelbrot set within it (the additional M. set floats above
> > the background but below the surrounding M. sets creating a stepping effect).
> > I can see at most 3 M. sets (one inside the other) floating at 3 different
> > heights above the background.
>
[Most of next text deleted]
 
> Actually, the smallest set is really just the original one with a one-unit
> vertical slice removed from it's center.  I'm sure this two-step effect is an
> artifact of the particular dataset, but it is certainly wierd.  It opens up
> the possibility of new effects that could exploit multi-unit overlapping.  Neet!
> 
> 
> ---
> Daniel Green
> danielg@autodesk.com

Weird.  This effect works with the postscript sirds as well.  It appears
to be an property of all sirds.  Just as the original 3d layers arise when the
2d images are merged by your eyes, the "extra" layers arise at the intersection
of the original 3d image by further divergence of the eyes.  What you see are
two identical 3d images side by side & overlapping each other, but where they
overlap additional depth is perceived.  Cool stuff!

-A Dietz
Bellcore, Morristown
Newsgroups: alt.3d
From: jone@vipunen.hut.fi (Jouni Pekkanen)
Subject: RPaint V0.1 uploaded
Keywords: Amiga randomdot stereogram
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:33:41 GMT

I uploaded version 0.1 of RPaint to ftp.eng.auburn.edu
(/incoming/rpaint01.lha -> /pub/3d/).

This version uses preferences screen height and has a couple
new features.

Jouni Pekkanen  jone@vipunen.hut.fi
From: rick@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Fredrick Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Re: Hidden Messages?
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:56:09 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <20AUG199216552963@rosie.uh.edu> st10t@rosie.uh.edu (Bloo Square) writes:
>
>This stereo-gram thing (crossing your eyes) can be an awesome way to
>encrypt hidden messages...   only those gifted with the talent of screwing
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>up their eyes are able to see it..  heh!  :)

I think "practiced in the skill" is more accurate.

Rick
From: willmore@iastate.edu (David Willmore)
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Re: Picture Stereogram
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:47:19 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

That gif looks very impresive when you tile the root window of a
workstation with it.  Would someone share with those of us who
are clueless how greyscale stereograms are generated.  I'm just
getting the hang of random B/W stereograms.  Greyscale is simply
too much for my mind right now.

I love that picture.  Please keep up the good work. :)

--David Willmore
willmore@iastate.edu
From: st10t@rosie.uh.edu (Bloo Square)
Subject: Re: letter-grams
Summary: muscle control
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 23:15:00 GMT

In article <hc+nqbd.bverreau@netcom.com>, bverreau@netcom.com (stargazer) writes...
>Back to your question - I don't claim expertise or originality, but this
>seems to work for some people.  There are two sets of muscles involved in
>ordinary depth perception.  One controls the convergence of your line of
>sight and the other changes the focus of your eye's lens.  These two
>functions normally work in unison, so the trick is to separate them
>and consciously adjust first one and then the other.  For crosseyed
>viewing, you need to stare at an imaginary or real object in front of
>the stereo image.  Hold up a finger, for example.  Concentrate on the
>near focus, but increase your awareness of the out of focus pair in the
>background.  With a little effort you can fuse the - still out of focus -
>left and right images.  Now imagine looking past the near object, but
>keep your attention on the fused pair; don't let them separate.  You
>only have to relax the tensed focusing muscles in your eyes a little to
>clarify the far image.  It's not a matter of straining anything, you
>just have to overcome a conditioned reflex.
> 
>--

most interesting.  I have this theory which could possibly reduce
the occurance of cataracts:

put your finger out in front of you, and have a fixed point in the
distance (e.g., on a wall) and focus BACK AND FORTH between the
point on the wall and the tip of your finger.
This excercises your lens, thus making the fluids inside the lens
move around (shake it up baby!).  :)
For elderly people, doing this once a day could possibly keep the
fluid in your lens from forming cataracts..

just a theory, i'm not a doctor..

any comments on this?
From: sphillip01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.3d
Subject: Re: Stereo Mandelbrot(s)
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:07:35 GMT
Organization: Curtin University of Technology

In article <17502@autodesk.COM>, danielg@autodesk.com (Daniel Green) writes:
> In article 714122157@lillee, weberk@lillee.cs.curtin.edu.au (Keven Weber) writes:
>> 
>> [...]
>> FOZEPDKDNQLHFEJDFOZEPDKDNQLHFEJDFOZEPDKDNQLHFEJDFOZEPDKDNQLHFEJDFOZEPDKDNQLHFEJD
.
.
.
>> OBCORPWHLZGITYINOBCORPWHLZGITYINOBCORPWHLZGITYINOBCORPWHLZITYBINOBCORPWHLZITYBIN
>> YIOFRYQYKJHSWCIZYIOFRYQYKJHSWCIZYIOFRYQYKJHSWCIZYIOFRYQYKJHSWCIZYIOFRYQYKJHSWCIZ
>> 
>> 
>> But I can sometimes see more than one Mandelbrot set (one inside the other).
>> Depending on how I focus I can lock onto different images, each with an
>> additional Mandelbrot set within it (the additional M. set floats above
>> the background but below the surrounding M. sets creating a stepping effect).
>> I can see at most 3 M. sets (one inside the other) floating at 3 different
>> heights above the background.
>> 
>> Does anyone else see this?
>> 
>> What's going on?
> 
> 
> At first I thought "what sort of bullshit is this?" but there really is
> something to it.  Viewed cross-eyed one can see the Mandelbrot set pressed
> into the background (the expected effect) but if you cross your eyes further
> so that two units of overlapping occure, you can distinctly see three levels
> depth.  The smallest inner one looks something like a mandlebrot set but
> the next level is only two copies of the original mandlebrot set offset and
> overlapping by one unit.
> 
> Cross-eyed viewing is easiest to use here because the extream shift distance
> is easier to accomplish that way.  For wall-eyed viewing you will need to back
> up about six to eight feet to make that possible.  The smallest inner figure then
> floats above the others.
> 
> Actually, the smallest set is really just the original one with a one-unit
> vertical slice removed from it's center.  I'm sure this two-step effect is an
> artifact of the particular dataset, but it is certainly wierd.  It opens up
> the possibility of new effects that could exploit multi-unit overlapping.  Neet!
> 
> 
> ---
> Daniel Green
> danielg@autodesk.com
>       ___________          ___________
>       |         |          |         |
>       |  _________         | _________
>       |  |       |         | |       |
>       |  |  _______        | | _______
>       |  |  |     |        | | |     |
>       ---|  |  _____       --| | _____
> 	 ---|  | D |         --| | D |
> 	    ---|  G|           --|  G|
> 	       -----             -----


This is not just in this case though. I was always wide-eyed, until I practiced
cross-eyed, and found cross-eyed easier to focus. So out came the RDS'es, and
the above effect could be reproduced in every RDS. Normal is with 3 triangles,
next is two overlapping images (four equidistant triangles), etc ...

Anyone know what's going on ? :)

Trevor Phillips
sphillip01@cc.curtin.edu.au
From: hoey@husc8.harvard.edu (Steven Hoey)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Schedule!
Summary: This is the best EVER!
Keywords: "I'm Long!"
Date: 3 Aug 92 19:10:41 GMT
Followup-To: Oh, nobody in particular.
Organization: None, really.

Okay.  I called Comedy Central [CC] on Wednesday...no, Thursday of last week.
Today (Monday), in the US Mail, came my first issue of "Funny Pages," the CC
Newsletter.  Here, without further delay, is the AUGUST schedule for MST3K:

	Friday Night, 12:30 am			Saturday, 10 am / 7 pm
8/7	The Unearthly			8/8	The Giant Gila Monster
8/14	Master Ninja I			8/15	Indestructible Man
8/21	Castle of Fu Manchu (!)		8/22	Hercules Against the Moon Men
8/28	Master Ninja II			8/29	The Magic Sword

***PLUS!  Special Announcement!!

SUNDAY, AUGUST 9th, during "Invasion of the Comedy Snatchers," CC will show
TWO encore episodes of MST 3K:

	Sunday, August 9th, 10:00 am		Sunday, August 9th, 7:00 pm
	First Spaceship on Venus		Teenagers from Outerspace
				       ("Really OLD teenagers from outerspace")


It's fun (and easy) to get "Funny Pages" in the mail.  Just call Comedy Central
during regular business hours at (212) 767-8600.  

What do you think, sirs?


-----
Steve Hoey
hoey@husc.harvard.edu
From: jenkins@local.host
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: Lisa Jenkins is graduating!
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:44:08 GMT
Reply-To: jenkins@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.

In article <1992Aug13.020220.14871@cs.wisc.edu>, gopher@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Chris Bovitz) writes:
>Hey you guys and gals!  Our inside informant, Lisa Jenkins, will be 
>graduating from Moorhead State University in Minnesota this Friday
>(August 14).  She said that she has only gotten one graduation card 
>so far (awwwwww).  Drop her a line (e-mail or snail mail) and offer 
>her your congratulations and best wishes!

You little sneak!  And I was "talking" to you, too!

(Send money.  }B-D )


Lisa                         Jenkins@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
1603 Thirteenth Street South
Moorhead, Minnesota 56560-3734

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: sjked@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Scott J. Kleper)
Subject: Joel a Mac user??
Reply-To: sjked@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:16:43 GMT

I just got around to watching last Saturday's episode. When the
doctor was performing surgery, and installing a gland in the
girl's head, Joel said, "Maybe we should install a SCSI port
in here while we're at it." Did I mis-hear? I would think that
Joel himself would write most of _his_ lines. 

For those who don't know, a SCSI port is a link for a chain of
peripherals on a macintosh.



Scott Kleper                        Internet: sjked@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
"This is just a temporary .sig until I can think of something stupid to
put here."
From: eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: Joel a Mac user??
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:21:38 GMT
Reply-To: eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, tsui@ils.nwu.edu () says:

>SCSI ports are also used on the Amiga, a far superior machine (here we go).  I
>think Joel uses an Amiga because he's mentioned it before and has shown and
>mentioned the Video Toaster on a few occassions.

   The relative merits of Amigas/Macs/IBMs aside, I can authoritatively
state that Best Brains uses several Amigas in production.  I took a picture
of them, even.  One of them had "Video Toaster v2.0" running while I watched.
   The System 7 comment is almost too true to be funny unless you have a
really high-end Mac...

		-EMeyer

-- 
"Unstable condition--a symptom of life       | Eric A. Meyer (eam3@po.CWRU.edu)
 In mental and environmental change          |  Alumnus,  Beta Nu of Theta Chi
 Atmospheric disturbance--the feverish flux  |---------------------------------
 Of human interface and interchange-"  -N.P. |    "What do you think, sirs?"
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Scott J. Kleper)
Subject: Re: Joel a Mac user??
Reply-To: sjk6119@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:52:12 GMT

Amiga superior ??!! HHHHHHAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!
I don't even want to discuss this , it's so obvious.
IBM -- maybe in some way. Amiga -- NOWAY!!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman)
Subject: Stay Tuned
Thought-For-The-Day: If God did not exist, Frank would have to invent him.
Summary: The Mating of the Shrew
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
If-You-Didn't-Read-Header-Lines: You'd be done with this posting by now
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:42:27 GMT
He-Tried-To-Kill-Me-With: A Forklift
Ram-Chip-Count: 3
We've-Got: POSTING SIGN!

Saturday I saw the movie Stay Tuned.  If you're not familiar with it,
that's a new film in which John Ritter and Pam Dawber literally get sucked
into The TV Network From Hell.  It has some good laughs; all that's missing
is a scene in which Ritter finds himself marooned on a spaceship with no
company save for some snide, obnoxious robots, and he has to sit through
some dreadful movies.

But anyway, this film does sneak in a tribute to one of the turkeys
featured in a recent MST3K experiment.  It has a segment that is a
direct rip-off of the tail end of The Killer Shrews (a.k.a. Lassie, go
home!)  So my advice is to suffer through (at least the last half hour of)
that experiment again before seeing Stay Tuned.  You'll get some bonus
laughs in.

==Ken
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: tbc@netcom.com (Mike Garvey)
Subject: Re: Hercules forever, Deep Hurting.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 05:32:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Keywords: MST3K, Hercules

Yeppers, "Hercules vs. the Moon Men" was great. I cannot remember an MST3K
outing where they quoted music from more sci-fi movies/tv-shows than this
one. We had Star Trek (TOS) [fight music], 2001 [weird choral music heard
during the sandstorm]; heck we were even treated to a relatively obscure
sci-fi film quote: "It's Gas..." from the movie version of Ursula K. LeGuin's
"The Lathe of Heaven" (a good movie, btw).

Keep 'em coming, Best Brains! and give Tom Servo a set of functional limbs
so he can read the letter, and show us how far Crow can get bent, and...

(Push the button, Frank)
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From: masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: MST3K - Carnival Knowledge?
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:50:58 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.mst3k
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

luoma@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

>In several films (such as that thriller "Ring of Terror" :),
>the MST3K crew use the phrase "Please don't force me to
>wear a clown suit" (or some variant thereof).

>Does this quote refer to something specific?

There was (if I don't have a stuck neuron somewhere) an old Michael
Caine/Lawrence Olivier movie called "Sleuth", in which Olivier
humiliated Caine by forcing him to wear a clown suit, then
pretending to murder him.

Good movie - not MST material. :-)

- Steve "Quick, Watson! The videotape!" masticol@cs.rutgers.edu.
From: jenkins@local.host
Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
Subject: Re: Mailing list?
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:37:24 GMT
Reply-To: jenkins@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.

In article <1992Aug12.220230.3828@rei2.uucp>, fox@rei2.uucp (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
>jenkins@local.host writes:
>
>>For the information packet with all it's goodies, it's $5 (Minnesota 
>>residents add 6.5% sales tax).  Make checks/money orders out to Best
>>Brains, Inc.
>
>How do you know this?  They've never mentioned it on the show.

If you write to the info club address, they'll assign you a membership number
and then try and sell you some catalog items, including the info club member-
ship packet.


Lisa                         Jenkins@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
1603 Thirteenth Street South
Moorhead, Minnesota 56560-3734

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From: jerosen@milton.u.washington.edu (James Rosenbaum)
Subject: MST Tapes wanted in Seattle, WA
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:20:32 GMT

Hello fellow misties.  I am looking for anyone out there in the Seattle, 
WA area that has MST tapes that they would be willing to copy for me or
let me borrow.  As of right now I have _zero_ episodes on tape and anything
would be appreciated.  

Also I have a couple questions about frequent quotes on the show.  I've 
read the FAQ and the SOLN back issues but I didn't see explanations to these
quotes anywhere so I'll go ahead and ask.  What does 'McCloud!' refer to?  
and What does 'His/My mother is a saint.' come from?  I figure these are 
fairly easy ones and I'm just not familiar with their sources.  Oh well.
Thanks in advance.
--JIm

Push button Frank.

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.mst3k
From: m14494@mwvm.mitre.org (Mike White)
Subject: Re: It was Kevin... I'm sure!!!
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:49:37 GMT

John Switzer writes:
> You know, if you had any morals at all, you wouldn't be looking up the
> skirts of robots on TV. We're getting into a real weird area here, I 
> think.

"I may not be able to define obscenity, but
I know it when I see it"
                            The Supremes

There I was, innocently sitting in my living room, 
loyally watching TV like any good American, and
Zap, Boom... they beam in a picture shot right up the
skirts of a toy robot!  Full frontal (well, bottom)
'bot nudity!  What was I to do?  I tried being adult 
about it, commenting on the mechanical structure, 
but Nooooooo..., John had to pull the conversation
right down into the gutter.  Next, I guess you'll point
out the fully erect central pole!  And I thought this
was a family net... !

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