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From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: kids
Date: 10 Aug 92 06:09:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.713594709.F00001

"E>  Greetings from William de Corbie

"E>  [Demo described] I did a longbow demo and we also contributed
"E>  with some music. Leaflets with SCA info were handed out.
"E>
"E>  No fighting demo was done (all our fighters are at Visby), and
"E>  basically we just showed up, all 12 of us ...
"E>  As a result of the "festival", we have been contacted by lots of...
"E>  ...kids.
"E>
"E>  These are mostly boys between 10 and 13 who are very enthusiastic
"E>  about joining the SCA. Apparently, they have no idea of what we
"E>  do except for the archery and the garb. A lousy newspaper article
"E>  about the festival may have contributed;
"E>
"E>  The question is: what in heavens name shall we do with these kids?


Firstly, if they want to do archery, or any other possibly "dangerous" SCA 
activity, they need permission from their parents, or to be accompanied by a 
responsible adult. THAT ought to weed out a batch of them right away.

After that, if you still have a good-sized subset of interested youngsters, 
you probably ought to treat them a lot like you would new adults. Children 
are not an alien life form, just small inexperienced people. Can you find 
someone willing to educate them in the SCA? And perhaps a few good souls who 
don't mind letting a well-motivated child tag along? It is a modern conceit 
that children are a "problem" beyond their size and lack of experience. How 
"childish" they are will depend upon the individual child.

(I really do suspect the requirement of parental permission will call a halt 
to a lot of this. Encourage the parents to visit, maybe you'll get them in, 
too! If not, and the number is small after all the "winnowing", perhaps 
those gentles with children of like age could take on a "guest"...)

Good luck to you and the children,

Moreach NicMaolain
trifid@agora.rain.com
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Combat Archery
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:00:53 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA


Jeremy de Merstone writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.192355.27846@javelin.sim.es.com>, 
>krogers@javelin.sim.es.com (K. Rogers) writes:
>>DAVID@bmeucl.medcor.mcgill.ca writes:
>>[...]
>>>What we really want to get a handle on is the energy that is transferred to 
>>>the arrow (or bolt).  
>>
>My suggestion, which would not require anyone actually *on* the archery
>range, would be to find someone with a good camera with an accurate shutter
>speed (there are ways of testing this) and station him/her along or just in
>front of the firing line a few dozen meters away from the archer. Set up
>some markers a known distance apart along the path the arrow will take.

Well . . . .

Timing firing the camera shutter is no particular problem.  A
microswitch as part of the arrow rest is probably the easiest, then
position the camera suitably for the delays that are going to occur.

Shutter speed is an interesting problem.  First of, please recognize
that any camera that's going to be remote-triggerable is almost
certainly going to be an SLR.  SLRs have focal-plane shutters.  Why is
this important?  BEcause FP shutters are best modeled as a slit that
moves across the frame (or vertically is some--expensive--versions) as
a slit that takes longer than the exposure time for any given part of
the film.  Please consider this in light of the fact that you're
trying to get an accurate picture of a rapidly moving object.  (for
those interested, the exception to this is when the shutter speed is
at or below the X-sync flash speed.)  The next problem is that a lot
of cameras are heavily into elctronic controls.  in most cases, this
means that the shutter speed--when set automatically--can be
*anything*, and is almost certain to be something other that what it
is 'set' for.  The way around this is to use a well-tuned *mechanical*
camera body.

What I would actually suggest for doing this analysis photographically
would be a high speed cine camera.  Check that the frame rate is
accurate, and then compare the arrow's position on successive frames
against a marked scale in the background.  A cine camera also gets rid
of the problem of when to start the shot--just have the camera running
before the arrow is released.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Subject: Re: Authenticity, Atmosphere & SCA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:57:49 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <BssAs0.Lpy@ais.org> dale@ais.org (Dale Gee) writes:

>To Liz Stokes, I too have worked my fingers to the bone and spent lots of 
>money on being period. I stopped tossing my effort out like that on SCA
>when it became clear that was not what the SCA was for.  I took my efforts
>else where.  I am not bitching, beefing or whining. I wanted to chirp in
>with a couple of comments and a question of my own. 

	But the SCA is for exactly what you want it to be for and such efforts
are not wasted if they give you pleasure. This past War (competition? police
action? snit?) was the most fun I've ever had, lounging in my Elizabethan
pavillion on pillows of voided velvet amidst the lacis bed hangings. It was
a lot of work, but my soul is content.
	This is not to say that the rest of Pennsic was any more period than
ever (and as per my expectations, there were a lot more vidiots this year, as 
well as some twit taking flash photos at the masked ball) but my camp was
authentic, and I had fun playing my game with anyone who wanted to play the
same way. The rest don't figure, they don't bother me (except for the above
complaints) because I'm not doing it for them. There is plenty of room in
the SCA and especially at Pennsic for lots of different games, and I love it
because there are more people there who like to play my way than anywhere else.
								-Ilaine

-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Subduing evil by dancing on a dwarf,
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Nataraja, the lord of Dance, 
                   | 	bestows grace on the world.
ilaine@panix.com   |
From: dylan@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Heralds for Hire in Pittsburgh/BMDL Area
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:06:33 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

Unto the Rialto, greetings!

I just heard on the radio that the Pittsburgh newspapers
which are entering their 4th month in a strike are trying
a new tactic to distribute their news:  they are auditioning
for 'Town Criers'  

Salary: Competitive and position comes with uniform, complete 
        with powdered wig.  

Qualifications: A good voice and stamina.  Employees will cry
                out headlines on street corners during business hours.

I'm still giggling over the whole thing :)

Dylan
Bhakail, east
Philadelphia, PA
From: Leonard.Erickson@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Pennsic Update (End)
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.714068718.F00001

In a message to All <08-17-92 00:12> David Schroeder wrote:

DS>  From: ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Schroeder)
DS>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
DS>  Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

DS>  The main battlefield was marked off by (yep) yellow hazard tape...
DS>  But this time it wasn't quite so bad.  Instead of "Police Line --
DS>  Do Not Cross" this tape read "Caution -- Hard Hat Area."

Y'know that is *almost* acceptable (for emergency use, anyway). Maybe groups 
should have a roll of that tape in a "tourney kit" to handle situations 
where the field gets set up at the last minute. Something more period 
looking would be better, but for emergencies, that *would* get the idea 
across... 
 
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From: guth@unixg.ubc.ca (Geoff Guth)
Subject: Re: Ps & Qs; Thees & Thous
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 05:16:21 GMT

In article <Bt1rA5.JA7@well.sf.ca.us> dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood) writes:
>In article <4991@gold.gvg.tek.com> conib@peri.gvg.tek.com (Coni Britten) writes:
>>In article <kleber.712852451@husc8> kleber@husc8.harvard.edu (Gwydden) writes:
>>>
>>>Was this really period practice, other than in the King James bible?
>>>I never did understand why God didn't get "you"'d by all-- if a king of
>>>flesh and blood was worth of being a "you", how much more so God?
>>
>>I suppose it's because you would "thee/thou" your father so therefore
>>you thee/thou your Father.  :-)

Perhaps it's because you're supposed to have a very close relationship
with God.  Using thou/thee doesn't indicate disrespect, but familiarity,
hence its use between Romeo and Juliet in Shakespeare, and God was
someone you talked to (at least theoretically) all the time.  However,
such familiary with a King might not be as good an idea...It might
sound as if you were too confident of your position!
>
>In French, at least, conservative people often don't "thou" their parents.
>
>(French, by the way, has a pair of regular verbs for using one or the other
>mode of address:  TUTOYE(R) and VOUVOYE(R).)
>
>anton@cloondara.mists.west.sca
>-- 
>D Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
>Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district

Ricardus Britnell Sarisberiae
From: carole_newson-smith@net.COM (Carole Newson-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: British Museum Books
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:41:33 GMT
Organization: The Internet


                                           8/19/92      12:45 PM
                                       British Museum Books

Pardon my public posting, cousins, but I am unable to 
respond more directly to Kathryn of Iveraugh.  Three 
e-mail messages have bounced.

Greetings from Cordelia Toser

In response to your message, I spoke with the proprietor 
of the Green Duck this morning about the.British Museum 
books which he is now carrying in his store.

Since the University of Toronto Press has the publishing rights 
in North America, they have different ISBN numbers than the 
British ones.  I apologize that I did not get the price in US dollars 
or the ISBN numbers from him.

He buys from the US distributor (not at retail, of course).
              University of Toronto Press
              340 Nagel Drive
               Buffalo, NY 14225

I suspect you will get better results by calling Toronto Press 
in Canada at 416-667-7791.

Or you might call Green Duck (Lord Derek Dragonclaw) at 
415-493-7756 in California.

     Good hunting
     
     Cordelia 

Cordelia Toser, Southern Shores, Mists, West
Internet: carole_newson-smith@net.com

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From: eleon@next08pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eleon Tawedog)
Subject: When is Land Draw going to be for Pensic this year?
Keywords: Pensic, SCA, random
Reply-To: eleon@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:40:33 GMT

Hello,
	I was wondering if anyone knew when Land-draw is this year, and how to get  
more info on how it is done? 

				Thanks
				-Eleon Tawedog
From: del@babel.DIALix.oz.au (D Elson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Combat Archery (was Arrows (was Authenticity...)) 
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 02:53:43 GMT
Organization: 


In article <9208131028.aa25796@mc.lcs.mit.edu> WHITE@DUVM.BITNET writes:

  >     First, I don't think I've ever seen or heard of combat archery being
  > part of the way the SCA recreates tournies - i.e. the one-on-one, or
  > even melee-team combats, usually in a list, or a bear-pit format.

FYI, we had a few "open weapons" tourneys here in Aneala a while back.
Open Weapons means anything, heavy or light.  Technically, to call it
a tourney is against the rules of the lists, but we did it anyway.

It was a lot of fun, especially one on one archer vs two handed sword
(I went florentine once or twice).   Basically, you run at the archer
at full speed, zig-zagging left to right and back again, and hope you
catch him before he gets his aim right.

Del.

-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------
D Elson                            |  del@DIALix.oz.au del@adied.oz.au
-----------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Master Delbert von Strasburg.      !  15 Errinbee St, Riverton WA 6148
Aneala, Lochac, WEST.              !  Australia.
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: How to fold/wear gre
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:27:47 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

>Please send instructions for folding and wearing the Great Scottish Kilt 
>or feileadh-mor.  As I understand it, this was a large piece of tartan or 
>that I am not CERTAIN that this is the true and ancient method of
>wearing the great kilt. 

Ancient method of wearing a great kilt?  What ancient method of
wearing a great kilt?  As I have said before, all the recent books
on Scottish costume seem to date the origins of the kilt to the
early 1600's or possibly, just possibly, the 1580's.  I'd hardly 
call that "ancient."  I am prepared to be convinced otherwise, but
so far no one has produced any evidence at all to support these
claims.

-- Nicholas van Leyden
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Authenticity, Atmosphere & SCA
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:24:31 GMT
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <1992Aug20.180559.6106@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.154904.28607@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>>In article <betel.714284495@camelot> betel@camelot.bradley.edu (Robert Crawford) writes:
>>>	Flash ignorance isn't limited to the SCA, of course. 
>>>
>>>	But still, it doesn't match with the idiocy of people taking
>>>pictures of a _fire_ with flashes _on_.
>>
>>I've seen worse . . .  Like trying to take pictures of fireworks with
>>flash . . .
><bwhhawhawhaw!> You've gotta be kidding! Someone, get them hence to the
>market for a brain!

There actually were mitigating circumstances--though I doub they were
known by the folks doing it.  It was back in the heyday of the
flashcube, and many of teh cameras would select a slower shutter speed
when a flashcube was in place.  A used lfashcube would have had the
same effect, though.

>As for those 'auto-flashers' You forget-------Duct tape! 

Good point--but it probably won't help their pcitures--unless you
recode the DX markers on the fim canister, too.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: 0003900943@mcimail.COM (Marla Lecin)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pennsic "War"
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:50:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Greetings, from Jessa d'Avondale! 

Hossein wrote that the change from "Pennsic War" to "Pennsic Tournament" was
flouting years of history, and should make no difference to how reasonable
people actually perceived the meeting between the Middle and the East. (My
apologies if I have incorrectly summarized his point of view.) 

As someone who attended Pennsic XX, I would like to point out that, although
there was no lack of reasonable people present, there was *a lot* of bad
feeling last year.  Fighters from both sides thought that the other side was
ignoring blows, ignoring battle rules, and reasoned: "well, if they can do
it, so will we!"  Easterners were complaining about the d*mn Midrealmers,
ignoring that fact that they could have run up against the *allies*, not
actual Midrealmers.  This all led up to Master El's speech at Closing Court
(which I missed; we were packing to leave). 

The Eastern and Middle Royalty, from the first, were seen to be acting as
friends (Katja attended Ruslan and Margaret's Coronation), and encouraging
their subjects to have a good time at Pennsic.  This might have all been
carried a bit too far, especially if they didn't let the allies in on the
no-War idea.  It must have seemed plausible from Their viewpoint - the War
Horn wasn't present, the War arrow wouldn't break - hey, no War! (I did
hear, from one of the Queen's Guardsmen nearby, that Ruslan *almost* did
break the arrow.  Wouldn't that have tossed a monkey-wrench into their
plans!) 

I did get a bit worried when the East had captured all but the last 2
points. After all, how friendly might the MidRealm be next year, if they
didn't win any points at all this year?  Our household tried to do our part
to keep the Town battle friendly.  When the battle began, and everyone ran
for the center of town, a couple of our fighters occupied one of the rear
huts. When water bearers were called in, we ran to the hut and planted a
sign: "House Wilmot Hospitality Hut.  Everyone Welcome!  Please check your
weapons at the door.  This Hut's for You!"  We also brought soda, chips and
pretzels. The idea was that this "Inn" would be off-limits for fighting, and
anyone who wanted could take a break inside.  It seemed safe enough - all
the fighting was going on far away.  Unfortunately, the marshalls made us
leave. (And no hut-to-hut fighting ever really happened.)  We set up on the
side of the field, dispensing drinks and snacks to the fighters who were
leaving the battle.  ("Fire sale!  We were overrun and burned out!  Free
soda!")  A shame, really, it was such a nice hut - low taxes, good location,
not too far from the red-light district... 

--Jessa 
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Pennsic, Some Thoughts
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:41:18 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander) writes:

>>This sounds like an interesting idea, but it might run into the
>>same problem that period encampments such as Cariadoc's Enchanged
>>Ground face: people want to camp with their friends.  
 
>This need not be a problem:  if adequate security arrangements can 
>be made, people will not feel the need to camp with their tools.

True, but that is a slightly different idea from the original one,
which was to have an arts and sciences *encampment.*


>The flip side of this is that putting them all under one roof means 
>that it would not require that much greater an investment to provide 
>an adequate ventilation system, which would push the worst of the 
>smells and smoke out a vent at the top of the tent.

I mentioned smoke and odors only as examples of the "environmental
effects" we have to consider.  There are others, also.  Noise, for 
example.  Can you imagine colocating a forge, bagpipers, drummers, 
singers, and embroiderers under one roof?  Trying to put *all* the 
arts and sciences into one area does not seem feasible.  But we might
be able to accomodate most of them with proper planning.  Two or three
smaller areas might also prove more practical.

-- Nicholas van Leyden

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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: When is Land Draw going to be for Pensic this year?
Keywords: Pensic, SCA, random
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:32:25 GMT

Eleon Tawedog) wrote:
  	I was wondering if anyone knew when Land-draw is this year, and how to get  
  more info on how it is done? 

Heh.  I doubt very strongly whether the next autocrat has a plan yet, let
alone published it.  But you can't be faulted for your ability to plan...

	Tibor
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From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Serbs and Croats (was: Where have all the Saxons gone.
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:33:38 GMT
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link

In article <1992Aug4.001234.21759@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander)) writes:
> 
>There are no ethnic differences, and damned few cultural ones,
>between the Serbs and the Croats.  Doesn't keep them from 
>genocidal strife.  

If there are no important differences, why do they have two names?

I have the impression that the populations are distinct enough that they can
often be told apart on sight, and that Croats are Catholic while Serbs are
Orthodox.  But I'm just repeating hearsay.

lord Anton the fair, token pursuivant for Cloondara
-- 
D Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
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From: mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis)
Subject: Re: Drachenwald to be kingdom
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 04:39:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.221449.6069@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>At the West-An Tir War this year, I spent some time talking to Duke
>Siegfried von Hoeflichkeit.  It was his opinon at the time that
>Drachewald would be a kingdom by the end of summer '93, so there's at
>least on Board member that thinks the timing is about right.

Viscount Sir Elffin o Mona, four times Prince of Lochac seems to agree.
He has just moved to England indefinately, and before he went implied to
us that he planned to be Prince, then King of Drachenwald. Looks like
we won't be losing him to the _East_ exactly, after all :)  

-- Richard of Dunheved, Lochac.
-- 

mdewis@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au ... but you can call me Richard.
Forma Propositum Perpetuo Praecedit.
From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Who Won the War?
Date: 20 Aug 1992 16:08:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <H73RPB1w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> vincent@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong) writes:
> ...WHO WON THE WAR.?

East won more battles, collected more war points, so I guess they won.
Does it matter?


Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin                               Dorothy J. Heydt
Mists/Mists/West                                              Albany CA
Argent, a cross forme'e sable

Disclaimer: This is the Cozzarelli Lab's account, not mine--but I don't
think anybody else ever reads it.
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From: michael squires <mikes@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Pennsic Update (End)
Summary: Pennsic trivia
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:56:39 -0500

In article <EeXka2S00WB_Q7nEtz@andrew.cmu.edu> David Schroeder <ds4p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>I _meant_ "the final attendance count was just under *8300*"
>

Between 6 and 14 the increase was about 8% per year, with those years
divisible by 10 (Pennsic X) 16% larger than Pennsic IX, and XI about the
same size as X.  This still seems to hold true.

-- 

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