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From: gt@prosun.first.gmd.de (Gerd Truschinski)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:22:53 GMT
Organization: GMD Berlin (FIRST)

In article <1992Sep9.210106.11427@umbc3.umbc.edu>, alex@engr3.umbc.edu (alex) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep9.053832.1108@morrow.stanford.edu>, karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
|> 
|> |> >and I can 
|> |> >get most of the little stuff at the local auto parts store.
|> |> 
|> |> The sort of "little stuff" you can get for a Harley
|> |> at an auto parts store, you can get for a Ducati at
|> |> an auto parts store that handles parts for metric autos
|> |> (like Geos or Escorts).
|> 
|> 	No, its not the same. It sounds like it should be, but its not.
|> 
|> 	I've got 3 vehicles: a '50 Chevy truck, my HD and a VW bug. The
|> bug, in spite of the fact that they made 17 million of them, is the most
|> difficult to get parts for, and the truck is the easiest, in spite of its
|> age. It has to do with the design decisions that were made when they built
|> the thing: should they use standard fittings on the oil lines, or a special
                              ^^^^^^^^^                                ^^^^^^^

Hi Alex,
I think, you are not perfectly right. 'Standard` and 'special` depend on where
you are living. Here in Germany, there is no problem to get part for VW and
lets say BMW (some years ago the stop producing parts for pre '69 models).
But it is very difficult to buy screws with inch measurements. There are 
some shops supporting the USarmy which have this stuff. But if you need tools,
forget it. 
The other point of view is, that HD as an example has build 62458 bikes in
1990 and sold only 2435 in Germany. Therefor it is quite normal that no
(german-standard) auto parts store will have any parts for Harleys. But
for BMW they have.



|> 3 way adapter that solves the problem in a trick way? I can get almost
|> everything that I need for my truck *in stock* at a good auto parts store,
|> excepting body parts. I can get things like brake parts, oil lines, sensors
|> and switches for the HD at a good hardware store. Bearings, bushings and 
|> their ilk come from Bearings Inc. There is very little custom hardware
|> on the machine, its all standard stuff.
|> 
|> 	Of course, this is not a new machine, either, and maybe an Evo
|> is different. 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|>                                Alex Crain::UMBC Academic Computing Services
|> The feminist agenda is a socialist, anti-family political movement that 
|> encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice 
|> witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians. - Pat Robertson 1992
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: Sportster 5 speed tranny question
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 17:29:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.210127.1254@swlvx2.msd.ray.com> csl@swl.msd.ray.com (Scott Lilliott) writes:
>I went to a local Harley dealer to try and find out some detailed info
>on the 5 speed Sportster tranny. They couldn't tell me anything! Specifically,
>I want/need to know what are the *internal* gear ratios(number of teeth of
>each pair of gears would help), what type of mechanism is used to actuate
>the shifting forks? (rotating drum; camplate; etc.).  I'm thinking of using
>a Sportster tranny for a project bike *if* the internal ratios etc. work out.
>
You do know of course that the sporty tranny is also part of the the engine
crankcase, sporty engine/transmission are all one big lump, unlike the
big twins which are seperate.  

>   #   Scott Lilliott - csl@swl.msd.ray.com                            #
>    #   AMA #600897             "If you push something hard enough,   #
>     #   DoD #0227               It will fall over."                 #
>      #  US/INOA #8563                     -- Fudd's First Law      #


-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: stock Evo cases too weak for big bore
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:27:44 GMT

--

Roid...fanatic, yes. Snob, no way.

Lots of people I know, myself included, run 98" and up on modified shovel
cases. They haven't torn them apart.

Has anyone in this thread taken a look at a set of shovel (nosecone) and Evo
cases side by side? There's at least 1/4" more meat around the cylinder
base deck on a shovel case. In fact, when you bore an Evo case out for big
jugs, you'll cut right through the oil return galley that goes through the
jugs.  

Evo cases may look like shovel cases but they're not. Big Twin flywheels 
look the same, too but there are major differences throughout the years.

89" is 4 3/4" stroke on a stock Evo bore. You can go to a 5" stroke if you're
crazy enough.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 03:51:49 GMT

bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:

>I own a Ducati.

Daddy buy it for you?  Maybe you can ask him to buy you a clue too.

>Especially all the ones around campus here that
                                ^^^^^^
Ahh, that explains it all.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mdoug@bnr.ca (Doug MacLean)
Subject: U.S. Electra Glide Sport pricing ...? 
Organization: BNR/NT
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:56:13 GMT


Hey Kids!

     Does anyone know the U.S. price of a '93 Electra Glide Sport (Red)?

     Thanks in advance.

- Doug from the Great White North.

---------------------------------------------------------------
MDOUG@BNR.CA					 (613) 763-8719 
#include <disclaimer.h>
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Belt drives (primary and secondary)
Summary: Comparison shopping
Keywords: Smooth putting
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:33:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: research.1992Sep4.213356.2128
Reply-To: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.


	I posted a request for info before about primary belt drives.  In
particular, I want to know pros/cons of using wide/narrow primary belt setups.
Since I am considering going to a two-belt system and eliminating the rear
chain as well, I'm interested in others' experiences.

	So:  What belt drive system do you use (if any)?  How tough was the
installation?  What is involved in the upkeep?  What are the caveats?  What
are the advantages?  What is important to look for?  And, very importantly,
is it possible to use electric start with your setup?

	If folks would kindly respond via email, I will summarize and post the
results.

Thanks,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114   1983 Harley-Davidson FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	   (I need another bike for this space!)

Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Evo vs. Shovelhead HP
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:41:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

>All of the HD drag racers use Evo motors for some specific reason.  I've
>read in Hot Bike that Evo motors give up more ponies easier than Shovels
>and last longer also.  Nothing wrong with Shovels though, anyone have a
>clean 78-79 Super Glide they want to sell for $4000??
>
>- Roid

I've always been told that the Evo heads are easier to get more air flow
through the ports with the same size valves and that the fuel/air mixture
gets swirled around more uniformly. This comes from some folks at Denny's
H-D in Springfield Missouri who also claim that a slightly worked over
single spark plug Evo head yields equivalent performance to a heavily
ported/polished/modified dual spark plug Shovel head. Anyone out there
ever attempt to dual-plug an Evo head??? From the outside, I don't see
a very good place to machine out a second plug hole. As for the cases,
I wouldn't want to be sitting on top of either stock case, Shovel or Evo,
in a high rpm racing motor on a drag racing bike. Give me aftermarket cases
AND some kind of explosion shield between the motor and my private parts!!!

--Neal
=======================================================================
= Neal Howard                         | '91 Harley Sportster XLH-1200 =
= email: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org     | DoD # 686                     =
= CompuTrac, Inc. (Richardson, TX)    | '69 Cougar XR7-GT390          =
=======================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Need info on locking Gas Caps
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:18:15 GMT

In article <sefCZWm0hXuaMsgFZR@andrew.cmu.edu> "Shirl G. Grant" <sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
+
+Aren't bike gas caps vented (or one of the 2 for fat bobs)?  I thought
+this was the major difference between car and bike gas caps.

Don't know bout outside of California, but here late model EVOs
have non-venting caps cause there is a tube that runs from
the tank into the carb... part of the pollution system.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: B.M. Davidson
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:55:27 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <ramarren-150992092923@kops.apple.com>, ramarren@apple.com
(Godfrey DiGiorgi) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Sep14.194447.1212@msus1.msus.edu>, stafford@msus1.msus.edu
> wrote:
> >  Seriously, the BMW boxer frame has some poetic resemblance
> >  to the fetherbed frame - great wide-open chassis.  Why not?
> 
> A lot of work for not much gain. The current FatBoy handles better.
> BMW frames are not reknowned for their handling qualities.

Tell me about it.  OK, then let's put clip-ons, racing tank,
setbacks, proper fairing and fenders on a FatBoy and duke it
out in the Rockies.  What a sight.  Does the BMW really handle
that badly?  I thought it was just _me_!
From: bill@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Bill Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 4 valve HD
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:02:38 GMT
Organization: UNISYS Corp. Tredyffrin, PA

In article <1992Sep10.013056.6435@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>
>	I personally am not interested in an Evo.  I don't like the looks, and
>I don't want to be associated with RUBs (apologies to Seth Zirin et al:  I
>know not all Evo owners are RUBs).  I just saw the fake panhead rocker covers
>in the display case today--made me chuckle outwardly, wince inwardly,
>especially since a mint example of the real thing was parked outside:  a 1964
>Duo-Glide.

Lagerman (sp) Harley Davidson of York, PA. has the bike of my dreams:
a 1965 Panhead Electra-Glide! They also have (had?) a number of other
beautifully restored Harleys including two knuckleheads (one with
sidecar) and a second panhead. This is the only dealer in the area
which hangs onto any vintage Harley Davidsons. Does anyone know of
other dealers with vitage iron?

>	I would, however, snap up a Harley sportbike if the price/performance/
>reliability was right (read:  I probably wouldn't buy it the first year it was
>out).

This is where I see a real risk for Harley Davidson in producing a sportbike.
Currently, Harley Davidson is the standard by which all "cruisers" (if
you'll forgive the term) are judged. Whenever the mainstream cycle
magazines evaluate a Shadow or Intruder or Vulcan, they inevitably compare
it to Harley Davidsons. The words "Harley look-alike" ultimately come up,
even if the writers are (unconvincingly) trying to tell you that "this bike
is more."

In the world of sportbikes, the Japanesse create the standard by which
all others are judged. If Harley Davidson wants to compete in this
market, they have to prepared to offer superior performance, and to
update their designs yearly to remain competitive. I'm not talking about
a factory Buell, I'm talking about a race-ready motorcycle that can
be competitive out of the box. It's obviously possible, but the investment
necessary would be huge, it would take a large chunk out of production
capacity which is already too low, and I the economies of scale are
questionable at best.

>	I thought the new bike was supposed to be OHC as well.  Wouldn't that
>be grand!

At the very least, I believe they would have to go to an OHC design.

>Here's hoping,
>-- 
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114  KotHLF    1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide (She lives!)
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	            (I need another bike for this space!)
>
>Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC agree with any of this anyway?

billj.
bill@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com
From: gt@prosun.first.gmd.de (Gerd Truschinski)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 4 valve HD
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:38:33 GMT
Organization: GMD Berlin (FIRST)

In article <1992Sep9.164046.20452@microunity.com>, ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:


|> [stuff deleted]
|> Yes, I know about both the ancient 4-valve harleys and the fueling heads.
|> What I meant was that I've heard somewhere, don't remember where, that
|> Harley itself is now (or not long ago) working on 4-valve heads/motor.
|> I don't think this is the porche 4-four, I think it's a water-cooled
|> twin.
|> 
|> Now, something the physical size of a sportster motor, or smaller, with
|> water cooling, 4 valve heads, and more power than a sportster
|> would make a great Ducati-killer.  Vroom vroom.
|> 
In the german motorcycle journal 'MO` they had a picture of Harley with
water cooling, racing frame but with a big `carbuator cleaner` (where is
my dictionary :-( ) like the ones you find in cars, coming up where 
normaly the gas tank was. The frame has similar measurements like the
Honda 500cc racing bike and is build of Al (chem.).
They thought, that this had to be a normal street bike because of the
cleaner an the electric starter, which you don't need for a racing
bike. On the photo you see only the first cylinder, the second was
barley to see. I hope, that I'm able to scan the photo, so that I
can post a .gif picture.
From: paulh@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Paul Hammer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!! (DEFINED)
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:17:56 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


   Seriously, though...has anyone here tried Sapporo Black?  I'm looking
   for a beer similar to Guinness with not *quite* as much a 'burnt' after-
   taste.  Negra Modelo is good, but just a tad weak.  Any suggestions?


	Try Aass Bock.  It Norwiegan, or something.  Similar to Guiness
	in color, texture, potency.  It's sweeter than Guinness.  Doesn't
	have that "burnt" flavor.  Was my favorite until the local
	micro-brews became my favorite.

	-rcf

	obHarley:  I heard somewhere, somehow, that new (as in 1992/93 I
	guess) Harleys are being assembled in USA from parts produced
	elswhere.  Any truth here?

	-rcf, again
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From: terryg@stortek.com (terry gottehrer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!! (DEFINED)
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:17:42 GMT
Organization: StorageTek
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

william E Davidsen (davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM) wrote:
: In article <Bu89FC.2xL@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich) writes:
: 
:   I've been drinking a lot of Geary's (made in Maine, but available
: elsewhere), and "Pete's Wicked Ale," a molasses colored ale with a
: little less aftertaste and an odd 22 oz bottle. I have no idea how
: widely this is available, or why this isn't in alt.beer, for that
: matter. 

Pete's Wicked Ale is available here, very tasty. I've also drank a British beer
called Pale Ale; excellent. You need the cash for it, though, it was about
$10.50 for a 6-pack.

--
Terry_Gottehrer@stortek.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 18:58:01 GMT

>In article <18bdo8INNk04@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.F>reenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) spews:
>>
>>  [blather...]
>>
>>I own a Ducati.  It will outrun ANY Harlie, even if I keep it
>>        ^^^^^^
>ahhh... shouldn't that be... "Ducatie"


   No, it's "doockatee".


        Ed Campbell
'57 FL (560,000 mi, 3 rebuilds)
'76 XLCH (136,000 mi, 1st rebuild comming up)
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        "The reason they let them import them damn Limey
         bikes is so you stupid kids won't fuck up a good
         harley when you crash"
                        Anon. June 1957
=====================================================================
 
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From: mlj8e@mljsg.pharm.Virginia.EDU (Michael Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
Subject: Re: Jap Crap!!! (DEFINED)
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:00:04 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <Bu89FC.2xL@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> crvich@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Ernest Crvich) writes:
> 
>   Seriously, though...has anyone here tried Sapporo Black?  I'm looking
>for a beer similar to Guinness with not *quite* as much a 'burnt' after-
>taste.  Negra Modelo is good, but just a tad weak.  Any suggestions?
>
Try what the british call a "black and tan" or a "black and white" or
something like that.  Anyway it is 50% Guinness and 50% something
like Whatney's Red.



--
      Michael L. Johnson
      mlj8e@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: 1000ccm Panhead, adjust valves
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:48:36 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Sep10.163902.11294@ryn.mro4.dec.com>,
randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) wrote:
> 
> 
> In article <1992Sep10.123235.147@westford.ccur.com>, cvr@dweezil..westford.ccur.com (Chris von Recklinghausen) writes...
> >....and yes, the pushrod cover clips are a bitch to get back on, especially the
> >front intake (right by the carbuerator)...
> >Chris von Recklinghausen		cvr@westford.ccur.com
> >Concurrent Computer Corporation		Westford, Ma.
> 
> Ha! I thought I was the only one with that problem!
> When I do my valves, putting the covers back usually goes pop, pop, pop, and
> then much cursing and swearing when I get to the front intake...
> -Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com

Naaa.  Place top of clip into rockerbox.  Put large screwdriver on the
top (ledge) of lower pushrod cover.  Lever screwdriver up while pushing
clip in (not down) against screwdriver.  In it pops.  You won't scratch
anything, either. (been doing this for 20 years.)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: stock Evo cases too weak for big bore
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:39:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.144312.8875@engage.pko.dec.com>, dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn) writes:
> I saw an interesting sight this past weekend, a 98" Evo with the top of
> the case torn completely off. The jugs were still attached to the case
> deck. The guy overrevved 1st gear and dumped it into second. The
> shop this appeared in had seen three of them break the same way.

98" is way too big for the stock cases.  89" works (S&S Stroker kit),
93" is marginal (S&S Stroke plus SideWinder) and 98" is planned
failure.

- Roid
From: dale@ntg.com (Dale Luck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Question on backfiring ???
Date: 5 Sep 92 19:25:16 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA


 scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com (Scott Colbath) writes:
> hog@bnr.ca (Roger Seelaender) writes:
>> lately. When I come down off the throttle from high RPM's, just
>> letting of the gas and not pulling the clutch, I am starting
>> to get quite a bit of backfiring out of both cylinders. I have
>> already replaced the plugs (old ones did not look bad) and 
>> cleaned the carb. Please post replies here. Thanks.
>> Roger Seelaender
>
>Timing, timing, timing. If that isn't it, start looking for vacuum leaks at the  
>intake manifold. Have your pipes turned blue at the heads since this started?  
>Does the bike idle well? What else can you add?
>Scott Colbath

Make sure you look for the easy stuff first. I had problems with
my '90 fxstc dieing on the road, refusing to start, then would
start, misfiring etc. Turned out to be a couple wires near the read
jug had gotten to close and some of the insulation had melted in a
couple tiny spots. So depending on the vibration/ motion/ acceleration
it started to short out.

Speaking of vibration, I solved my annoying >2k rpm vibration problem
on my softail. Again some simple stuff. The rubber gaskets for mounting
the gas tanks had worn through on one side, easy to replace (about 10 minutes)
and $1.50 for each rubber gasket. Now I can hear the engine instead of
the metal rattling.

Dale Luck
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mcfar@unislc.uucp (Tom McFarland)
Subject: Re: 93 Sportster pricing?
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:04:52 GMT

Hmmmm.   The Salt Lake City dealer told me a few weeks ago that the
prices for the basic models were $4995 for the 883 and $6995 for the 1200,
up $500 from last years 883 price.

-- 
Tom McFarland                 | {cs.utah.edu, hpda, sun, uplherc}!unislc!mcfar
Unisys (SEPG)                 | mcfar@unislc.slc.unisys.com
322 North, 2200 West   D1V03  | (801) 594-4169
Salt Lake City, Utah 84116    | (801) 594-6708 Fax
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Why do Harlies make so much noise?
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 05:39:35 GMT

wfrank@well.sf.ca.us (Wade Franklin) writes:

>(Joseph Hack) demonstrated his limited intelligence by writing:
>>[nothing worth repeating]

>I'm really disappointed with what's happening in this newsgroup. I thought
>it was created so that those of us who prefer Harleys could split away
>from rec.motorcycles to avoid the perpetual my-bike-is-better-than-yours
>bullshit, and have some constructive discussion of Harleys.

While Hack is an annoying pinhead, he's just another random twit
looking for attention. He's not "from rec.motorcycles", since he's
never posted anything there, at least nothing of any worth. 
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
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