HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: What is IT? (Was: Re: Oct. 28: The Rapture...)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:25:14 GMT

rhamilt@husc10.harvard.edu (Rowan Hamilton) writes:
: 
: >other head-space if I found myself heading off to hard Ionised Vacuum 
: 
: Can anyone explain to me how to ionize a vacuum?

Easy - there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum. There are always
atoms present that may be ionized.

Bill
From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Where can I look for any scholarly info....
Date: 9 Nov 1992 04:23:04 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
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In response to Bradley's flame of Phil Gustafson (well, Phil, the
reason why you don't flamed in e-mail is because you get flamed on
the net, I guess that answers that.), who wrote an irreverent if,
typical a.f.u. reply to a serious query on sources for info on
urban legends:

We have a quote (done by Scott) where flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M 
Armitage) writes:

  +: > All I wanted was some information, if you don't have it, don't post, if
  +: > you have nothing inteligent to say, say nothing

cromar@math.rutgers.edu (Scott Cromar) writes:

  +: Gosh, Brad hasn't been reading this group very long, has he?

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

  +Nope. He doesn't know the depths of depravity of which this group
  +is capable.

This is true.  He probably thinks he knows what the etymology of
POSH too.

But anyway, as Phil (I think) mentioned in a subsequent post, if
you haven't already, you should definitely check out the books
by Jan Harold Brunvand.  The junk at the end of the FAQ list point
to:

Jan Harold Brunvand (_The Vanishing Hitchhiker_, 1981, ISBN 0-393-95169-3;
   _The Choking Doberman_, 1984, ISBN 0-393-30321-7; _The Mexican Pet_, 1986,
   ISBN 0-393-30542-2; _Curses! Broiled Again_, 1989, ISBN 0-393-30711-5,
   _The Study of American Folklore_, 3rd Ed., 1978, all published by W.W.
   Norton).  

You are not clear as to how true to the folklore genre you want to
get.  Alan Dundes is also first author with another fellow on several
varieties of office urban legends (e.g., _Never Try to Teach a Pig
to Sing:  Still More Urban Legends from the Paperwork Empire_ -- note
this is NOT like JHB for several reasons).  Dundes also writes widely
on a number of folklore issues (e.g., ethnic folklore, the meaning
of jokes, fairy tales, etc.) 

Paul Smith, who has written for instance, _The Complete Book of Office 
Mispractise_ is an English folklorist who has studies ULs (thanks to 
Jack Campin for bringing this to my attention).
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From: treincke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Tim Reincke)
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:08:06 GMT

johnb@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Brainerd) writes:


>ALSO, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE A GIF, JPEG or SOME PICTURE OF AN ATM
>CAN BE FOUND????         Thanx!

Yes.

Get off your butt, stand in front of one with your camera and take a
picture!  In good lighting this could take all of 1/100 of a second!!!

If you need to see it on your monitor, then scan it!
D

Of course, if all else fails, there is the ATM FTP site...or was that
for Adobe Type Manager???

:)
- Tim
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Legal Tender
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:14:54 GMT

jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes:
: >davew@willow03.cray.com (Dave Wagner) writes:
: >
: >>What do those words "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and
: >>private" really mean?  (i.e from a '...we don't accept bills larger than x'
: >>point of view).
: 
: I also wondered about this when my friend's apartment owner (AOOAF) refused
: cash to pay her rent, saying that it was their policy to only take checks.
: My friend, un-confrontational as she tends to be, went ahead and wrote a
: check for it, but I got really angry.  After all, if the note is legal for
: all debts, you can't refuse it, correct?

Wrong. I can think of a number of reasons why a person would not want to
receive payments in cash. The not is legal, there is nothing in the law
that says it must be accepted.

Bill
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From: dw@unislc.uucp (Dan Wright)
Subject: Re: UL in a Time Warp!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:17:22 GMT

In article <honk-if-you-care-about-the-article-number> Cynthia Kandolf wrote:
: Yes, i'm back. 

I'm a big Cindy fan and I'm glad she's "back". 

: I thought the folks here would be interested in the twist he put on
: the story, if only fow entertainment purposes (and what other purpose
: does this group serve?  i ask you).

    [story of architect trying to rebuild town in fireproof way]

:                       ...  But while he was overseeing the rebuilding,
: some people decided they didn't want to waitfor his workers to build
: houses for them, and so they built houses along narrow little streets
: in between the streets Cicignon had laid out.  These are still around
: today; we call them 'veita'."


: So far, so good ...
:     ...  But here's the kicker:
: "When Cicignon saw that people were doing this ...

The twist I anticipated at this point was:

"His temper flared and he burned down the vietas".

  -- Dan Wright
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From: sasdvp@unx.sas.com (David V. Phillips)
Subject: Re: Question
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:30:38 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

matthews@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Matt Sullivan) writes:

>2) This same FOAF said that he read/heard that in the New York Times
>last week somebody said that AIDS to too great a disease to be naturally
>occuring, and therefore must be man-made. Comment?

In my local paper, (the Raleigh News & Observer), a fluff column has
an item that says there is an ad for Benetton in the Nov. 12 issue of
Rolling Stone in which Spike Lee writes:

"I'm convinced that AIDS is a government-engineered disease.  They got
one thing wrong, they never realized it couldn't just be contained to
the groups it was intended to wipe out.  So, now it's a national
priority.  Exactly like drugs became when they escaped the urban
centers into white suburbia." 

"All of a sudden, a disease appears out of nowhere that nobody has a
cure for, and it's specifically targeted at gays and minorities...The
mystery disease, yeah, about as mysterious as 'genocide'...."

"You might think I'm crazy about this one.  I don't think so,"

Lee ends his essay with a prayer asking God to deliver us from evil
people, AIDS, war, homelessness, joblessness, environmental damage,
racism "and all the other -isms"

The United Colors of Benetton made a $50,000 donation in Lee's name to
the United Negro College Fund Malcolm X Scholarship for the essay.



David 'and Bush called Gore an Ozone Man?' Phillips
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From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Jackpotting ATM's for $$$$
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:25:20 GMT

In article <JBORE.92Nov10105728@cosmos.shearson.com> jbore@cosmos.shearson.com (Joe Bore) writes:
>one day i was curious as to how much money was stored in your average
>full atm, so i spotted a guy filling one up and asked him.  Besides
>his obvious reservations about telling me any info he said that the
>average atm has at least $75,000 dollars and bigger ones can go up to
>$150,000!

Damn. That means if I'm going to draw out my life's savings, I have to go
ATM-hopping. I was hoping I could take it all out at one convenient location.
That's quite an annoyance. :)

mdw

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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Seventh Circuit Bound)
Subject: Re: Southern style sex
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:07:19 GMT

>starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky) writes:
> 
>>Is it *really* illegal to have sex, say, doggy-style in Florida?  Sounds
>>like a UL to me.  I'd look in the FAQ, but I don't have a copy with me.

A check in a Major Legal Database reveals that the words "missionary
position" do not appear in any state statutes.  At least in that order.

Ted "but did anyone check the CFR?" Frank
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From: jhh4889@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.H. Huebner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Airport security
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:15:07 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: jhh4889@ultb

In article <fmonro.721277790@neumann.une.edu.au> fmonro@neumann.une.edu.au (F J Monro) writes:
>warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:
>
>>While reminds me, last time I flew, I wrote down the warning that was
>>written all over the airport.  Of course I can't find it now, but it
>>went something like "it is a crime to make false statements concerning
>>explosive devices aboard airplanes".  Does this mean that if a

>As a logic student, I just can't resist. try out this statement for size:
>
>  There is a bomb on this airplane, but this statement is a lie.
>
>So, Have I commited a crime?

One reasoning that says yes:
two cases:
The "statement" is true and you probably put it there.
The "statement" is false see above law.

the other argument of course is that this is not a statement, but I
think you will find that legal defintions are not logical ;-)

-John 
-jhh4889@ultb.isc.rit.edu
From: fred@page6.pinetree.org (Fred Ennis)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Where can I look for any scholarly info....
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 21:21:38 -0500
Organization: Page 6, Ottawa, Ontario +1 613-729-9451

Brad, there might be some of the info you're seeking in the FAQ file for 
a.f.u.  I don't have the ftp address handy, but if you don't come across 
it, I'm sure someone will explain how to get it.  If you get desperate, 
send me mail and I'll find a copy for you.

There's also a bit of a bibliography in it.
> 
> I thought spelling flaming went out a long time ago, with the advent of
> inteligence!!!
> 
Oh, pay no attention to Phil's outburst. We do enjoy taunting some of the 
academics who drop by if they make silly spelling errors. I'm probably 
too polite myself to point out that intelligence is spelled with a double 
l.

--
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From: dlphknob@cs1.bradley.edu (Jemaleddin Cole)
Subject: Re: Amusing pronouns, was
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:52:28 GMT

In <3209.434.uupcb@ehbbs.gwinnett.com> harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter)  writes:

>>> Mike Hunt
>>> Dr. Jack Meehoff
>>> Daniel Druff
>>>
>>    My husband was baptized into his church many years ago by a Jack Hoff.
>>    It's true.  I saw the baptismal certificate and Jack Hoff's signature!

>Richard Head is a real person.

Try Dick Sweat, the recently elected congressman from New Hampshire....
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From: nolan@twg.com (Huorn the Hunter)
Subject: Re: Where can I look for any scholarly info....
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Pithecanthrophages
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:43:38 GMT


In article <1992Nov10.204510.27423@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
[deletia]
|>Heh, heh! It has been fun yanking on his chain. Any more where he came
|>from?

I here that there're hordes of 'em up in Halifax, at Dalhousie U. Genus Sybok
is a popular target.

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From: jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck)
Subject: Re: Legal Tender
Organization: University of Georgia
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:28:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.081454.21693@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes:
>: >davew@willow03.cray.com (Dave Wagner) writes:
>: >>What do those words "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and
>: >>private" really mean?  (i.e from a '...we don't accept bills larger than x'
>: >>point of view).
>:
>: ...After all, if the note is legal for
>: all debts, you can't refuse it, correct?
>
>Wrong. I can think of a number of reasons why a person would not want to
>receive payments in cash. The not is legal, there is nothing in the law
>that says it must be accepted.

Not that I doubt the voracity of your source, Bill, but just because you
can think of a number of reasons why somebody wouldn't want to get cash
doesn't convince me that this is legal.  As for there being nothing in the
law that says it must be accepted, then how about the "legal tender for all
debts, public and private..." bit?
	I would think that if you make some sort of barter deal with someone,
and then decide that you want to pay him tens and twenties instead of the
nice big barrel of cling peaches that you'd promised him, he has a right to
refuse cash.  But if you sign an agreement that your rent is "one hundred
fifty DOLLARS," the whole idea of having a national currency (as I understand
it) is that your landlord is bound by law to accept that currency.
	Granted, what I know about law can be fit into a space about the
size of one of Harry Hamlin's lips, but I would like to see a more convincing
answer than just "Wrong."

Chuck "never posts with more than $50 cash" Jordan, still not convinced.

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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Subject: Re: 1950's Darryle, damnit.
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 03:03:33 GMT

In article <1689C104A9.C558172@mizzou1.missouri.edu> C558172@mizzou1.missouri.edu writes:
>In article <XrB=1k@engin.umich.edu>
>dem@engin.umich.edu (Darryle E Merlette) writes:
> 
>>
>>Even if AIDS appeared in the 50's (what evidence is there of this?)
>>and is a naturally occurring virus, that doesn't preclude its use in wiping
>>out populations just as smallpox was used to wipe out the indiginous people
>>of North America. So you are wrong if you think everything I'm saying is
>>rendered nonsense by your dubious claim.

>smallpox was easily transmittable. The normal method used on the American
>Indians was to sell them the blanket used by somebody who had died of it.

Sorry, but that is not correct. The blankets were distributed by the
government as a treaty condition.

>Notice that Europeans had a higher immunity to smallpox than Indians.
>Indians were dying of European deseises (how do you spell it??) before
>the Europeans realized the cause and used it against them. There was
>no central conspiricy to wipe out the Am. Inds. As far as I know the
>government was not involved -- settlers did this on their own.

Hmmm...you are for more trusting than I. Nineteenth C. 'Indian Policy' was
predicated on the 'Vanishing First American' or 'Lo, the Poor Indian.'
Smallpox vaccination was known by the beginning of the 19th C., and the
'Sioux' were all immunized before the great plains wars. So, why didn't
the government immunize them on the reservations? It looks very suspicious
to me.

Then there are the Utah open air nuke tests, and the Hanford Military Reserva-
tion episodes. Several Utah reservations were contaminated, and the Yakima
Reservation in Washington.
 


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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Mind the Gap)
Subject: Re: Question about "T." in James T. Kirk !!!!!! (As seen on TV)
Keywords: We don' nee' no stinkeen' keywords!
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:12:47 GMT

In article <BxGwLn.HEo@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> bwbrock@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Benjamin Warre Brock) writes:
>Tiberius
Terry
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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Legal Tender
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:30:41 GMT
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davew@willow03.cray.com (Dave Wagner) writes:

  +What do those words "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and
  +private" really mean?  (i.e from a '...we don't accept bills larger than x'
  +point of view).

To try to shed some light on this issue, I note that the term "legal 
tender" refers to any material officially recognized as legal payment 
for debts.  In _The Straight Dope_, Cecil describes how there were 
once specific limits on how much small change you can unload on 
people to discharge your debts (i.e., $0.25 for "minor" coins - 
pennies and nickels, and $10 for "silver coins" - dimes, quarters, 
half- dollars).  In 1933, Congress made all officially issued money 
"legal tender" as part of getting off the Gold Standard.  [There is 
some speculation as to how much of the intent was properly applied, 
but you can look it up if you're interested.]

So how this apply in the case of people who post that they won't
accept bills greater than a certain denomination?  I rip the following
out of _Applied Business Law_ (Abridged, heh, heh) by McKee Fisk and
Norbert Mietus.

   "An offer to perform an obligation is a _tender_. [...] If the
    obligation is to pay money [as opposed to the performance
    of an act], rejection of a proper tender or an offer to 
    pay the money does not discharge the debt or prevent the
    creditor from collecting at a later date. [...]  To be valid,
    the tender of money must consist of the exact amount due in 
    _legal tender_ - that is, coins or currency of the United
    States."

The issue of a mutually accepted medium of exchange has already
been posted by others (that is, people can accept anything they
want).  If you're going to use official U.S. money as legal tender,
I interpret the above to mean that anyone or any establishment
can put any limit they want on legal tender _if_ you aren't 
tendering the _exact_ amount.  Now, if Denny's says we don't do
$50s and you buy $51.25 worth of stuff, you have a $50 bill and
five quarters, if they reject, you probably got a legal case 
against them.  OTOH, I probably I wouldn't bother to help refine
the legal system by taking Denny's to court, but hey, you could
be that guy!


Terry "No disclaimers.  If you're dumb enough to do what I say, 
          you deserve what you get" Chan
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From: pwhitman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Philip N Whitman)
Subject: Trilateral commission
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:02:37 GMT

What is the Trilateral Commission?

-Neal
From: hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Neanderthalese (Was Re: Man stuck in ice has no penis. Film at 11.)
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:23:44
Organization: Computing and Telecommunications Services, UCSC
	<1992Oct29.222843.21907@u.washington.edu>
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In-reply-to: hawley@adobe.com's message of 30 Oct 92 07:18:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct30.071850.5787@adobe.com>, hawley@adobe.com (Steve Hawley) writes:
) There is quite a hot bed of debate among paleontologists and anthropollgists
) as to whether or not Neanderthal man was capable of speech (reference work
) done by Phillip Lieberman on reconstructing the vocal tract), and if they
) were speech capable, what kind of language skills did they have.
)
) I found this so interesting that I made it the main subject of a paper I
) wrote called, "Just How Good Could Neanderthals Talk, Anyways?"

And then there's the Niven-based story in "The Man-Kzin Wars" by some
author(s?) whose name I don't know...

According to that story Neanderthals were a very peaceful group, who
communicated psycically, and our ancestors were violent and warlike...

Bill "I can read your mind" Ward.
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From: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Amusing pronouns, was
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:34:00 GMT
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Reply-To: harris.minter@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Harris Minter) 

>> An old friend of mine liked calling the place I used to
>> work at, and asking the receptionist to page some non-
>> existant people.  My favorites were:
>>
>> Mike Hunt
>> Dr. Jack Meehoff
>> Daniel Druff
>>
>> Any others out there?
>> --
>
>    My husband was baptized into his church many years ago by a Jack Hoff.
>    It's true.  I saw the baptismal certificate and Jack Hoff's signature!

Richard Head is a real person.
                                                                                   
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