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From: cbarilleaux@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Mauve Maruader)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Race results : Paris-Roubaix
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:34:14 GMT
Organization: Pierson's Pleasure Palace

In article <74056@netnews.upenn.edu>, forbes@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Andrew H. Forbes) writes:
> In article <kun19jINNcbk@male.EBay.Sun.COM> grif@number6.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>>In article 10690@csi.uottawa.ca, kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:
>>>Did Greg LeMond use suspension forks this year?
>>
>>the entire z team had rock shocks.
> 
> No way!  Seriously?
> 
A really cool sig deleted to perserve bandwidth (Been meaning to compliment you
on that, Mr. Forbes)

Actually, I saw in either the latest BICYCLING or WINNING that some other
company was modifying their forks for 27" wheels for LeMond. Of course, as I
don't have it with me, I could be worng.
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From: kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: how does one measure seatpost length?
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:25:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr8.212515.10865
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

rodney@sundance.math.orst.edu (Rodney James) writes:
>I have a Kalloy in that size on my mountain bike (probably 300mm long).
>It works fine for me and it was really cheap, about $15, and it's really
>not that heavy.  
>Rodney James (rodney@math.orst.edu)

Ah, yes, thanks-for-the-info-but....

Nobody has yet told me how to measure my current seatpost.  Obviously
if all manufacturers use the same scheme, then a 330mm Tall Cool One
seatpost is longer than a 300 MTB seatpost or a 220mm road seatpost.

I hold one end of the ruler at the bottom of hte seatpost and measure
up to where?  To the end of the constant-diameter tube?

To the bottom of the clamp body?  to the rails?  center of
the rails?  To the top of the adjusting micro-adjust bolt?

-CaseConfused
From: caseb@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Lore & Jargon
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:21:02 EST

In article <9204162043.AA04414@hplomg.hpl.hp.com>, BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
> 
> On the lore front, Leonard Zinn reveals the secrets of how Sean Kelly
> wins races like Milan - San Remo.  He does it by skillful descending
> aided by 'countersteer'.  I guess Zinn hasn't consciously been aware of
> how a bicycle is ridden or he was sucked in by the countersteer cult,
> sort of like the backswing cult of baseball batting.
> 
> With journals like Velo-speak myth and lore is in good hands.
> 
> jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com

What is countersteer?  How did the article argue that countersteer makes
Sean Kelly faster? 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: BIKENET's gone...
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:00:34 GMT

bhilden@stelvio.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.155610.5100@javelin.sim.es.com>, bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:
>> >newsgroup 10 years old!  Looks like we have that piddly little bulletin
>>                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >board beat bad and we are still going strong!!!!

>> You're being unnecessarily derogatory about a BBS you probably never
>> accessed.  "wreck.bike" vs. Bikenet never was a competition, so such
>"smileys".  My sometimes attempts at sarcasm should be deduced from
>the content of the posting.  I object to using "smileys" because
>it is like a "laugh track" or an "applause" sign.  People should
>read postings more closely and also know the style of the poster.

As I mentioned in my e-mail to Mr. Hildenbrand, I did not infer
sarcastic humor from the content or wording his original post.  I
personally don't regard smiley's as some kind of laugh track or
applause sign, but an albeit incomplete replacement for voice tone,
inflection, & volume, facial expression, & body movement which are all
queues we use everyday for determining the meaning one is trying to
convey in verbal communication.  Without such queues, written
communication may easily be misunderstood, which apparently I did in
this case.

>the benefit of the doubt.  When Mr. Geer needed a copy of his wheel
>building book, I took some time to provide him with a few possible
>sources for said item.  Next thing I know, he is flaming me on the net
>without first sending me personal e-mail to see if his concerns over my
>posting is real.  Yeah, like I will think twice before helping him again.
>Oh, well we computer types have a reputation as being social misfits, I
>guess this is one more example.

I appreciate your information (& that from others), & responded with
thanks.  As for myself, I don't expect someone to hold back a flame if
that person thinks I deserve one -- at least that provides the
opportunity to clear up misunderstandings & possibly to learn from the
experience.  Further, a net flame is not a criterion I use for
withholding whatever assistance which I might offer someone.

>I never intended to put down the BIKENET.

I received e-mail from others complementing my flame, so there were
others who misunderstood your post.

>> So, lighten up, dude!  Widen your world a little!
>Exsqueeze me!  But, the same could be said for your posting.

I agree, in light of my new understanding of your post.

Bob
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
From: jwgst2+@pitt.edu (James W Gourgoutis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Headsets (Stronglight?)
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:42:26 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <702191764.15@urchin.fidonet.org> Howard.Gerber@urchin.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber) writes:
>>Mark Chandler (chandler@wc.novell.com) writes:
>>
> MC> Does anyone have any experience with the Stronglight roller/needle
> MC> bearing headsets? I saw one on a Lippy tandem that looked quite
> MC> sturdy, but I'm a bit leery of "non-standard" components.
>
>Yes, the StrongLight roller bearing headset is an execellant quality component. It is standard on most U.S. build Schwinn Paramounts. One word of warning, though, it has a high stack height and may not fit all forks.
>
> * Origin: Commies, witches, atheists and bikers (1:106/88.0)

Hello.  I just bought a Stronglight roller bearing headset for my 20 year old
Peugot, because I needed French threads, and it was the only one in the shop
that was French-threaded.  I was thrilled when the guy at the shop pulled it 
out and showed it to me.  I was even more thrilled when he only charged me
$12.00 for it.  Is that an unbelievable price, or what?  I figured that one of
these things went for something like $50.00 or more.  Did I get lucky?
	It fit my fork fine, but the top race was a little tricky to press in.
I ended up filing the outer diameter of the race where it fits into the 
steerer tube to make it fit a little easier.  I got it in okay, but I have yet
to ride the bike.  After having "indexed" steering for a very long time, I have but one word to say.....SMOOTH!!!!!
	I am looking forward to long service with this headset, due to the
fact that the  roller bearings provide a larger surface area for the forces thanball bearings do.  This should reduce the surface fatigue of the bearings and the races, so they should last longer.  This headset will probably last longer than the bike it's on!

		James Gourgoutis
		Senior, Mechanical Engineering
		University of Pittsburgh
		e-mail me at:  JWGST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
		Thanks!
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From: pevans@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Phillip Evans)
Subject: Re: Taiwanese tyres
Organization: Mad Artists' Technological Hangout
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:54:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.170002.4677@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>
  chem194@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alex Ferguson) writes:

>> From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
>
>> I've had that happen on Weinmann stainless steel rims (yecch!) and on
>> Mavic M3:s. In no case was the wheel in question out of true.
>
>>  Long before the tread is worn out,
>>  the cheap fabric reinforcing the sidewall breaks along the bead and
>>  BANG

[ lots of stuff about tires seperating at the bead ]

In NEW CYCLIST 11-12/91 there's a report from a pair of cyclists who did
a bit of riding (35200km) and kept records of all the flats they had.
The hook bead rim comes in for some bad commentry.  The summary of the
article says in effect if you are a loaded traveller, buy good tires,
the cheap ones don't last; but they could not reccomend any brands as
availability seems to change often.

.
From: tr@samadams.princeton.edu (Tom Reingold)
Subject: Re: BICYCLE CRASH
Organization: Noo Joizy, USA
Date:  9 Apr 92 18:19:06 GMT

fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

$ You'll have to explain this a bit. Are you saying that in all states. bicycles
$ are treated the same as motor vehicles? This is assuredly NOT true.

The law defines bicycles as vehicles and grants them the same rights as
motor vehicles.  There are a few small addition responsibilities, such
as staying as far to the right as is practicable -- a word left to
interpretation -- and carrying lights at night, etc.  There are a few
rights taken away also, such as riding on Interstate roads.

The fact that a bicycle rider has the same rights does not ensure that
he is treated by other road users as a car driver.  Or did you have
another subject in mind when you used the word "treated"?
--
        Tom Reingold
        tr@samadams.princeton.edu  OR  ...!princeton!samadams!tr
        "Warning: Do not drive with Auto-Shade in place.  Remove
        from windshield before starting ignition."
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: stek@alcvax.pfc.mit.edu
Subject: RE: Crunch Commercial
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:39:39 GMT

I found the Nestle Crunch commercial very disturbing.  I have
done plenty of drafting off of trucks and busses.  It is fun, but
it is also about the most dangerous thing that you can do on
your bike.  I know of at least one person who was killed doing this.
I think that the add is going to encourage people with limmited skill
to try this.  On top of that the guy in the add had stupid (aka. Clip
on) bars on his bike.  I can just see some bozo stretched out on his
aero bars, far from his brakes, trying to chase down a truck.
Further when I have done this in the past, no driver has
given me any food.  Usually they would be doing whatever they can
to get rid of me.  Wouldn't an add with someone dangling a
crunch bar in front of a rider doing some nasty climb be just as
interesting to watch?
From: ericd@concour.cs.concordia.ca (DELORME eric p)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Cycling in Denmark.
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:31:54 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec


Hi. I'll be moving to Denmark in late May for six months. Now seeing as
Denmark is a reputed cycling haven, I will bring one of my bikes along
with me. Now I've got a problem; which one should I bring? I have a 
mountain bike and a Gardin racing bike.

I will be living in the 'burbs of Copenhagen and will commute to work
by bike, as much as possible. As well, I'd like to go on weekend trips
and see the countryside.

Are the roads in Denmark good enough for 700x25s? (Well, I live in Montreal,
world famous for its most WONDERFUL roads...) Or would I be better off using
a nice, sturdy go-anywhere mountain bike?

As well, how should I go about getting the bike there? Are there any good
not-too-expensive airport gorilla-proof bike transporters out there? Or do
the airlines have decent enough boxes (I'm not sure who I'll be flying with
yet)?

Thanks muchly. Please e-mail responses and I'll post a summary later on.

(mail can also be sent to ericd@vax2.concordia.ca)






--
emroLeD cirE
ac.aidrocnoc.sc.ruocnoc@dcire
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From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Subject: Re: Spring cancelled in Ottawa, Canada
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:09:31 GMT

In article <schinder.703174127@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov> schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov writes:
>In <1992Apr13.124759.27475@csi.uottawa.ca> kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist)) writes:
>
>>This morning, I woke up to a nice and beautiful, bright... SNOWY DAY!!!!!
>>5" (13 cm) so far... more to come.
>
>What the !@$^&*)%@!^#@^&$)@!$^!&%)@&*$@!*(&$_(*!@&%^&$)@!^&*)%^ !@&*$)&@!$
>are you complaining about!!!  Get some x-c skis and go!!!  I'd *love* to
>be in Ottawa today.

Yeh, at least you have snow of the pleasant variety (skiable) our snow
was mixed with sleet and rain all day Saturday, just making things
miserable.

>(Here near Washington, it's around 40 F at the moment, after a
>beautiful week of warm weather.  It's all because of that Canadian air
>coming over the border again; Congress should really pass a law :-))

Absolutely, how can we keep that darn cold canadian weather out of here. 


BTW, for those of you who aren't aware, weather is not determined by 
cold fronts and warm fronts or any of that garbage that weather people
on TV talk about, it is determined by what people WANT. The problem is
that some people want to keep skiing as long as possible and others 
want it to be warm, so you get a compromise, cold sleet, where no one
is happy. OK, so everybody, start thinking WARM happy thoughts so we
can get on with SPRING!!!!


-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             4 down, 8 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       Darn, we got in!
From: 1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Christopher Gunn)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: 'Adult' one-speeds?
Date: 13 Apr 92 10:31:57 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Woman friend is seeking a bicycle for mild exercise/short recreational/
social riding.  We've had *15 or 20* hours of discussion on this issue
and she *insists* that she wants a one-speed, coaster-brake bike, women's
frame if possible.  Frame and brake-type are negotiable, but absence
of gear-shifting is *not*, she says.

This is going to make joint riding a real pain, and it would make
more sense to spend bicycle money on a psychiatric consultation.
And I'll keep trying to promote at least a 3-speed (assuming such
are still available).  But:

Is there such a thing as an adult one-speed (other than a fixed-gear)?

Are there after-market coaster-brake hubs that could be fitted to a
lightweight frame?  (Or three/five-speed hubs?)

Anybody still sell one-speed freewheels?

I know the real answer is a tandem, but I would be killed if I
spent $3K on a bicycle, even if I had the money, which I don't.

Oh, friend is a short 5'2", which sort of limits garage-sale options
to kids' bikes, which is too awful to contemplate.  ('Here's your
high-riser, honey....')

Any advice appreciated.

Christopher Gunn	Molecular Graphics and Modeling Lab
SPAN--KUPHSX::GUNN	Department of Medicinal Chemistry, Malott Hall
913-864-4428 or -4495	University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS  66045
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: Race results: Tour of Flanders
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:34:13 GMT

Brent Seales (seales@stilton.cs.wisc.edu) writes:

> The 76th Tour of Flanders
> Sunday, April 5, 1992

> After the first hour of relative calm,  Jacky Durand (Castorama) attacked at 
> the 45 km mark.  He was joined by the Swiss Wegmuller (Festina) and the Belgian
> Meyvish (Carrera) and Roelandt (Assur).  The four riders profited from the 
> sluggishness of the peloton, and took a 22'10" maximum lead, at the 90 km mark!
> The speed increased a notch with the approach of the region of the small climbs.
> At the Vieux Kwaremont (km 152) the four riders still had a lead of 15'50".

> 1.  Jacky DURAND (France, Castorama)	       6h 37' 19"


I'm always amazed by races that unfold this way - letting a rider or group
of riders get so far out in front. I'm sure it happens more often than we
hear about, and the number of times the break wins is probably small, but I
can't imagine what must be going through 188 collective heads, not to
mention those of the team managers alongside, to allow a strong 4-man group
so much of a gap. Yeesh.

Maybe the pros should ride more like USCF 4's - chase 'em down as soon as 
they're 6 feet off the front.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: STI caused crash
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:38:36 GMT

dockd@fog.CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock) writes:
>Moral: you can run a seven speed cluster with eight speed STI, but you're doing
>it at your own risk.  Is it really worth it?

To belabor a bit on minutia, any time you change to either a different
number of cogs or differently spaced cogs, you run the risk of the
derailleur maladjustment with possibly disastrous results.  Taking a
few seconds to re-adjust the derailleur may lose the race & preserve
your wellness.

Is it worth the time?  I now have both 7 & 8 speed wheels I can
interchange...wonder if I'll be smart enough to take the time?

-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
From: bowers@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bikecentennial YP?
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:26:11 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Apr7.135609.29579@siesoft.co.uk>, jerry@siesoft.co.uk (Jerry Webb) writes:
> Does anyone have a copy of the Bikecentennial Yellow Pages? I've 
> come across an order form for Bikecentennial maps in the April
> issue of the (UK) magazine of the Cycle Touring Club. As an affiliate
> of Bikecentennial, CTC members can order the Yellow Pages too, but
> there's no description of what it is exactly. To save me a five
> week wait for snail mail to return from Missoula to sunny Bracknell,
> I'd love to hear from you if you can tell me what you get if you
> send a cheque off for the Yellow Pages!

I'm a BikeCentennialMmeber...this year's Yellow Pages hasn't come out yet..
.but should be due out soon.

The YP contains a State by State and Country By country (and Province by 
Province for Canada) Listing of biking resources.  Where to send for maps, 
camping info.....wherto get specialized biking maps, etc, etc.  I don't 
have mine handy so I'm not sure what listings for foreign countries are 
included, but this section has grown considerably in recent years.

The YP also has other useful info...great directions for boxing a bike for 
airtravel, etc. etc.

If you plan to do any touring it is a pretty useful guide for where to dig 
up information. I've used it many times when planning tours and found it 
helpful.

I even carry it in my bags, although it is not all that useful when out on 
the road.

Paul Bowers
Bowers@bvc.edu
From: vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu (Jack Vinson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: WANTED: Tandem Bicycle (or info)
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:56:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Pennsylvania

Sean Samblanet asks about availability of tandems.

I am interested too.  I would like to try one out for a weekend tour or
even a day-long ride to see how my SO and I would get along with one.  I
know bike shops don't usually allow long test rides (do they rent them?).
Someone suggested that I find someone with a tandem and ask to borrow it,
but most of my friends don't even bike, much less tandem.  I keep looking
though.  (Any tandem drivers in the Philly area?)


Jack Vinson			The Purple Puddle Eater
vinson@shiva.seas.upenn.edu
vinson@unagi.cis.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: American Classic Hubs
Summary: american classic hubs - yea or nay?
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:14:03 GMT

Does anyone on the net have experience (good or bad) with American
Classic hubs?  I'm considering a set, but would like to hear from
someone who's actually used them.

Thanks,


--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
==================================================================
     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 05:03:08 -0400 
From: Mark Denovich <md3z+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Stupid Huffy Ad
	<1992Apr15.195624.5450@muddcs.claremont.edu>
Distribution: na

One of my friends had one and they went on a ride....

1 guy on a gary fisher
1 on a Hutch BMX
1 Huffy MTB

The ride was mild to allow the BMXer to keep up....

The Huffy broke a derailer and _BENT_ the Rear axle!!!!

Verdict: Huffys Suck     Buy a Trek

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: measuring stem extension length
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:09:19 GMT

In article <sdtCZmG00WBKM8q3sj@andrew.cmu.edu> ei00+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Eric P. Ingersoll) is steming:
>
>...
>Does anyone know where to measure to determine stem extension length
>...

center of the handle bar clamp to the center of the stem (where the
bolt head is).

>how close to the "advertised" measurement it be?  

hmmmm.  It sort of depends on how accurate your measuring device and
measurement skills are, I suppose.  If we're talking mm, 1 either
direction is probably ok.

>Eric
-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: budn@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Bud Noren)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:52:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Buyers Co-op
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD). - Santa Rosa, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles

<CBC107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Why is Nashbar able to sell a deraileur for $30 when the bike shops want $45?
>It's called buying power.  Why do we keep fueling the bicycle market with it's
>double and triple cost profit margins?  Let's form a coop.  Chris
>dealers that double and sometimes triple  their profit margins at the expense
>of the enthusiast.  

It would be a pity if the local bike shops were forced out of business
in this way.  Who would do repairs or make recommedations for the 
less knowledgeable consumers?  Where would you get to try on different
clothes to see what fits just right before buying them?  Sure their
stuff is generally more expensive, but you get something in the long
run for your money.  I sometimes buy from catalogs, but where the 
prices are anywhere near compatible, I would always buy from the shops.

-Bud   (Besides, where would you hang out in your spare time?)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: jbrill@unlinfo.unl.edu (james brill)
Subject: Lake cycling shoes availibility??
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:42:06 GMT

I've worn out my old Lake shoes but can't seem to find them 
anywhere anymore.  Are they still in business?  If so could 
someone please let me know where I can get them?  Thanks for
any and all help!

Jim Brill
jbrill@unlinfo.unl.edu
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
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