HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shlee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Seunghun Lee)
Subject: SAEK-GAL-RHON
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:06:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.194429.16738@news.duc.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
>
>Yesterday I read Chosun ilbo in the library, and saw that NK accused YS and
>release a sympathy to DJ.
>

pls be aware of that Chosun ilbo is newpaper of MINJJA when read it.

>
>FACT3)  The old generation sill alive think that DJ is close to NK and
>they can have a image of DJ as a dangerous person up the image the 
>previouse korean government has spread out, whether it is true or not.
>
>FACT4) many DJ supporter tent to try to neglect the FACT1, FACT2, FACT3
>and only blame the government rather than accept the reality and develope
>new stratage against the attack.
>

MINJU did try their best to break the stupid prejudice.
but as you said it didn't work.
and, you see it is almost impossible for someone over 40 to change
his own prejudice.
i rather hope time pass by so that younger generation gets in.
and hope young generation not have any stupid prejudice.

>FACT5) the attitude of FACT4 does not work and still claime of FACT1,2,3
>prevail among the korean society.
>
>If I were a MINJOO's campaign assistant, I would recommand DJ to
>announce that NK must shut up and did not comment the internal affair and
>clarify his behavior. Also DJ could blame NK about the spy scandal in
>his party. But as long as I know, DJ did not show a clear cut againt
>NK so that the middle class could threw the ballot to DJ.
>

well, yes he DID blame NK in GWAN-HOON-club debate.

>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Re-post of Korean Misogyny Statistcs Requested
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:43:42 GMT

What's up Dwight Joe?  Needs more references for your career in the net?
I don't know a thing about Korean misogyny statistics if such a reliable
things ever existed, but why not delve into something more reliable thing
such as ethnocentricity of Koreans, for example.  I came across a December
1992 issue of Dong-a Ilbo where a reader was making a case against 
treatment Korean police was dispensing against Korean descendents from
China (so, carriers of Chinese passport) as illegal aliens (shouldn't
Korean government offer special treatment to those Korean descendents
from China, after all they came to the land of their forefathers just to
make some money doing menial jobs and now they suffer as illegal aliens,
the reader was writing).  That could qualify as a case of Korean misogyny 
depending on who's talking about it, but then again, it's you, Dwight Joe.

In Japan, Japanese government offer special treatment aliens of Japanese
descent.  I know, it's being out of thread, but that's how Dwight Joe
is consistent, so, Dwight Joe, get lost and don't come back.  Any soc.culture
group including s.c.korean can do well without your Dwight Joe's academic/
cultural/etc interests.
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Beating, seriously speaking.
Date: 7 Jan 1993 04:26:31 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 11575, phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
writes, toward the conclusion of a very thougtful discussion:

>Going back to the original issue.  What do you expect from those
>who grew
>up where fist was stronger than reasoning?  This style of life
>is further
>extended to the "mandatory" army life.

And to extend it a little further yet, consider the repressive
behavior of the government toward dissenters, and the insistence
on respect for law and order that seems to be regarded by many as
more important than the exercise of individual freedom...  Could
there be a connection?

By the way, Mr. Choi, that was a fine piece of writing.

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From: kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim)
Subject: Re: RELIABILITY of POLLS in KOREA ???????
Message-I.d.: <1993Jan7.050022.65171@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:34:56 GMT

 In article <1993Jan7.050022.65171@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.020309.74276@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MI
>NHO JO) writes:
>
>
>[Please disregard the first post]
>
>
>I have been reading the heated discussions on polls in Korea.
>
>Even if it is not really important to me,  I'd like mentioning something in
>relation to the polls in Korea.
>
>
>   Assumption 1:  The results of the polls in korea, are not really reliable.
>
>
>
>Now what is the conclusion of the assumptions ?
>Could I leave the conclusions to your nice logic function ?
>
>
>
>                Minho Jo, Lehigh University
>                Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.,
>                Industrial Engineering Department
>
>
      Thanks agian.

      Mr. Minho gave me one more homework for me to check out before
      I do some business in Korea. 

      Unfortunately, I am not exposured to different results of polls down
      by different survey Inc.

      If I return to korea, and need to survey a korean market of  my field,
      I think that it is better idea to get advised by several professors of
      mine who major the broadcasting and news media about the accuracy of
      korean polls nowadays.

     Probably, in a year, the true story will be released by several monthly
     magazines in korea. Then I can have more accurate idea on the survey in
     korea.

     Probably, most of korean companies have their own survey team and
     it is interesting how they predicted. I hope that I can see my friends
     working in those companies.

     Over here, one of my fellow told that the poll done by AN-GI-BOO (
     KOREAN INTELLIGENCE DEPARTMENT(?)) is the most accurate one.

     I do not deny Mr Minho's claim at all, and found out that what he is
     saying is possible senario and can be true.

     As time passes by, in the future many things we can not judge this time
     will be clarified in public.

     Thank for Mr. Minho's opinion and I will keep that claim in my mind
     until I collect enough informatin from every possible source to
     conclude finally in the future.
  
     Now let's watch out how YS lead the future of KOREA. Then let's talk
    about it several months after.

   Bye.
From: shin@duck.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: My Thought on Wife Beating and more Thoughts...
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:47:55 GMT

>  My friends strongly oppose any use of violence and what they are doing
>  to control their boy is giving him some kind of pills prescribed
>  by their family doctor.  The boy took two or three tablets everyday
>  before he go to school and if his mom forgot to give him a proper dose,
>  his teacher instantly call to his mom for emergency supply of those pills.

It's a story to make Dwight Joe proud of so much advanced Western culture,
assuming, of course, that it was clearly a case of parental voluntary overdose 
under medical supervision.
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: to use 'mae' or not to use 'mae'
Date: 12 Jan 1993 06:10:26 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 11705, hpark@husc8.harvard.edu (hayn park)
writes about mae:

>It is the disappointment and sense of having put someone down
>that is
>really painful.  Without the mae, the child may not realize this
>or take
>it too lightly if only a verbal warning is issued.

(much deleted)

>The child must learn that he is getting hit because of something
>he did,
>and not because the man with the hwe-cho-ri is vexed.

(more deleted)

>Somehow the child must learn that his actions always carry
>consequences,
>and often bad ones.  "Mae" is probably the quickest and most
>effective
>method.

Hmmm.  Your concern here seems to be the child's awareness of a
connection between behavior and consequences; you're talking
about realizing and learning; you assume a certain level of
intellectual processing in the child.  The problem I see is that
you say that inflicting pain is the most effective way to teach;
I contend that pain interferes with learning in humans.  I know
that my ability to learn seems to be diminished if I am in pain;
if your brain is busy dealing with pain and its attendant
emotions, how can your attention be focused on the kind of
cognitive tasks you are talking about?

Do all of the child's actions really carry consequences?  For
many of us, the consequences of many of our actions are quite
negligible.  If all of the child's actions carry consequences,
then why do you feel it is necessary to INVENT consequences such
as beating the child?
From: mj03@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MINHO JO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: RELIABILITY of POLLS in KOREA ???????
Date: 7 Jan 93 02:03:09 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University



I have been reading the heated discussions on polls in Korea.

Even if it is not really important to me,  I'd like mentioning something in
relation to the polls in Korea.


   Assumption 1:  The results of the polls in korea, are not really reliable.


         Proof:    The Korean people are reluctant to disclosing something
                   inside their minds (Presumably, they are still influenced
                   by the horrifying military regime. For instant, Gin-Geoub
                   -Jochi-Bub, Boanbub, You-Un-Bia-Bub, Bub, Bub, Bub
                   have kept something inside their mouth)

                   It definitely gives bad credits to the polls in Korea.


   Assumption 2:  The results are varying with which organization/company.
                  (Under assumption that assumption 1 is false, i.e., the polls a
                    re very reliable)


         Proof:    They believe that the results of the polls might
                   have a serious impact on the election.
                   If we see the current election raw prohibiting the
                   publication of the poll results,  we can be able to
                   tell how much they are scared with the results of the polls.

                   Correspondingly,  the results of the poll can possibly
                   be distorted,  or will not be announced unless the results
                   are not in favor of a specific candidate.





With these backgrounds,  let's review two cases:

             1. Why did the YS's side (including his poll contractors, Gallup,
                and Korean Research Center)  NEVER announce that YS was
                lagging behind DJ right after the PUSAN scandal ?


             2. Why did the DJ's side make publications of the poll
                results of DJ's first leading YS right after the Pusan scandal.
                The DJ's side even used the results, a day before the election.

                (PS. The DJ's side was frankly announcing the poll results
                of DJ lagging behind YS)


Now what is the conclusion of the assumptions ?

Could I leave the conclusions to your nice logic function ?



                Minho Jo, Lehigh University
                Computer Integrated Manufacturing Lab.,
                Industrial Engineering Department


My ultimate goal is to build, "Warm-Hearted Human Integrated Society"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



                   
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From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Re-post of Korean Misogyny Statistcs Requested
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:12:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.023000.29477@news.columbia.edu> kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak) writes:
>>the reader was writing).  That could qualify as a case of Korean misogyny 
>                                                                  ^^^^^^^^ 
> 	ur, excuse me and my perhaps-too-proper-use-of-semantics,
>	but doesn't misogyny mean hatred of women?
>	
>>depending on who's talking about it, but then again, it's you, Dwight Joe.

Don't you know Dwight "Anything Goes" Joe?
From: hseung@image.anatomy.upenn.edu (Rikiya H. Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Soc.Culture.Korean FAQ  (VIOLATION of COPYRIGHTS)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:43:36 -0600
Organization: School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Mr. JO,

>Hey !  Rikiya !    This is violation of copyrights.   You are going to
>be put in jail for lifetime if you copy my slogan (It's kidding !!)
                                                    ^^^^^
                    Congratulations! You just joined the SCK Party! I think
that this helped you have brite political future ahead of you. No, maybe
it's not bright after'all! I have serious doubt as to the majority of this 
 newsgroups political abilities myself. That's
why I'm a med student. first physiology, then ideology! but
you should have shut-up! Obviously! you're wrong! NO, take that back.
It's is a violation of copyright { right}?

>BTW, I'm taking a trip to Koryeo Jung soon,  bringing a bunch of my friends.
>I want you to know that all of my friends including myselfe have emty pockets.
>We also will ask the owner of Koryeo Jung to fill up the oil tank of our car.
>
>We know your credit #,  and all of expenses will be charged on your credit
>card.  Call your parents in Korea right away.

                                     Hangook shiktang ain't accept no credit 
cards., hah! Mr.JO you are'a degenerate! Where'd this
ddongddakji come from anyway?! BUt, wait! I still admire you...yet!

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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re-post of Korean Misogyny Statistcs Requested
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 22:19:08 GMT

I accidentally deleted my copy of a post that was submitted here 4 months
ago.  The post dealt with statistics about the treatment of women in 
Korean society and might serve as a point of discussion among the members
of a small group of students (I being 1 of them).

A Korean lady, from the University of North Carolina (?), posted those
statistcs.  If you are still there, then please send me (by e-mail) a
copy of those statistics, including the phone number listed in the
original post.

Thanks in advance.

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From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Re-post of Korean Misogyny Statistcs Requested
Date: 6 Jan 1993 04:09:43 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan5.235743.16246@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.023000.29477@news.columbia.edu>
>kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan5.014342.26567@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu
>>(Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>>>[Mr. Shin thinks that misogyny means ethnocentricity.]
>>>the reader was writing).  That could qualify as a case of Korean misogyny 
>>								  ^^^^^^^^
>> 	ur, excuse me and my perhaps-too-proper-use-of-semantics,
>>	but doesn't misogyny mean hatred of women?
>
>Mr. Shin and his comrade Mr. Mark Choi (yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu) would
>have a perceptible improvement in credibility if they would only use proper
>English and actually look up words that they don't know.

This is irrelevant to your original post. If you really wish to obtain the
statistics by way of insulting other people, then fine. Otherwise, my friend,
Dwight Joe (underdog@leland.stanford.EDU), please keep that garbage to 
yourself since it will not help you any. This is another personal attack
because he has decided to bring in people outside of the thread into his 
garbage.

>Yes.  Ms. Kwak is correct in her definition of "misogyny".
>
>>>depending on who's talking about it, but then again, it's you, Dwight Joe.
>>[...]
>
>Yes.  I am referring to statistics that a Korean lady posted on this 
>newsgroup about 3 months ago.  If she would kindly e-mail those statistics,
>then I would greatly appreciate it.
>
>(I accidently deleted my copy.)

Ahh...you mean to say that you actually deleted another way of proving that
Korean or Chinese culture is barbaric?




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Organization: Purdue University
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From: 7007_5566@uwovax.uwo.ca (Henry E Chon)
Subject: Re: wife beating
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:32:30 GMT

In article <1idfurINNenc@shelley.u.washington.edu>, pmfisher@milton.u.washington.edu (Patrick Fisher) writes:
> 	I thought that wife beating was a national sport in Korea.
> I saw it, heard it, and heard of it while living there.  
> 
> 
-- 

And I thought stopping cars with black folks and beating them up was an 
american national sport?!

hank
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Re-post of Korean Misogyny Statistcs Requested
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 23:57:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.023000.29477@news.columbia.edu>
kwak@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Nancy Kwak) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.014342.26567@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu
>(Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>>[Mr. Shin thinks that misogyny means ethnocentricity.]
>>the reader was writing).  That could qualify as a case of Korean misogyny 
>								  ^^^^^^^^
> 	ur, excuse me and my perhaps-too-proper-use-of-semantics,
>	but doesn't misogyny mean hatred of women?

Mr. Shin and his comrade Mr. Mark Choi (yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu) would
have a perceptible improvement in credibility if they would only use proper
English and actually look up words that they don't know.

Yes.  Ms. Kwak is correct in her definition of "misogyny".

>>depending on who's talking about it, but then again, it's you, Dwight Joe.
>[...]

Yes.  I am referring to statistics that a Korean lady posted on this 
newsgroup about 3 months ago.  If she would kindly e-mail those statistics,
then I would greatly appreciate it.

(I accidently deleted my copy.)

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From: labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com (Joel Labson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Looking for an old friend
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:44:17 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


Hello all,

I am looking for my old friend named MEE SOOK BANG.....She used to work
at a company called CALMA in Milpitas California.......

If anybody know her please let her e-email or call me at 415-390-5852.

-- 
Thank You Very Much  
Joel R. Labson X5852
labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com
From: hseung@image.anatomy.upenn.edu (Rikiya H. Seung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Soc.Culture.Korean FAQ  (VIOLATION of COPYRIGHTS)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 02:37:40 -0600
Organization: School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Mr. JO,

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yshan@screamer.ece.ncsu.edu (Youn-Sik Han (Snyder))
Subject: Re: Personal feeling about Articles of Mr.Jo and Mr.Lee 
Reply-To: yshan@sailboard.bgsm.wfu.edu
Organization: NCSU Visualization Lab	
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:11:24 GMT


In article <1993Jan3.203132.28703@seas.gwu.edu>, won@seas.gwu.edu (Won
Lee) writes:
>         To Mr. Jo Minho and Mr. Lee Byung tae 
>         
>         First I want to say thanks to Mr. Jo and Mr. Lee.
> 	I read all your articles carefully.
> 	It was very interisting to me. 
>         And your postings made me realise many things which I 
>         could not figure out before. Even though, your artcles prohibit my
>         research :) 
> 
>         I write just my personal feelings after read your articles.
> 
>         I think everybody can blame to every politician include DJ and YS
>         DJ is one of outstanding politicians but he is not perfect.
>         I darely say one of DJ`s fail is because of that kind of persons
>         who support DJ without any criticism whatever he do/did.
> 
>         To me, Mr. Lee's article has more logic. 
>         And he has better attitude. (maybe because of age)
>          
>         He criticize DJ but he did not blame Mr.Jo personally.  
>         But Mr.Jo named him "far-right-extremest" without reasonable reason.
>         and comment "pig and perl ....". 
> 
>         I wish good debate without personal blame eventhough he has different
>         opinion.
>
 
I'd like to give my special thanks to Mr. ByungTae Lee.
I enjoyed his articles and was amazed at his postings, attitudes,
knowledge, experiences, logic, patience, analytic ability, fighting
spirit, and so on. I think he deserves my compliment and maybe other netters'.

Especially, I appreciate his effort and his valuable TIME which were
consumed for his following up the articles.  I think his consumed time
was never a waste. 

Thank you, Mr. Lee.

Han

PS: DJ supporters, please do not depreciate my appreciation to Mr.
BT Lee, because of the fact that I was and am a YS (but not MinJa) supporter.
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