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From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: temptations
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:18:46 GMT

In article <63620156@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:

>
>If I have a food that's threatening to be trouble, I'll get rid of it
>as quickly as possible.  Usually, that's because I ate it, though I'll then
>add a 'do not buy tag' to it in my mind.  If it's going to be continual trouble
>and I have far too much of it, I'll get rid of it, like dumping it in the
>toilet or trash.  At HMR, they recommended getting rid of troublesome food
>by first spraying it with Windex, then tossing it.
>
Hi Everyone!

This reminds me of a story I once heard...

A woman I knew had struggled with her weight for most of her life,
finally she was successful at Overeaters Anonymous in losing about 6o
lbs.

She hung out at a holistic resort where I worked. The place was
somewhat remote, generally a significant drive for most of the
guests...

One week we we were having a party for someone's birthday and she
ended up responsible for the cake. It was a large cake ( maybe 40
servings) and she had to drive it to the resort. About half way there
she started "having a conversation" with the cake. I guess it was
really calling her name... They struggled, they argued, they both
tried hard to gain control. She said that twice she stopped the car
and physically started to hurl the cake over a cliff. SHe managed to
regain control and the cake arrived intact.

She said that the actual key to her success was that she KNEW that she
would toss the cake over the cliff before she would let it win against
her.

I wish you could have heard her version! It was hilarious, but the
truth was, it was a great victory for her to be able to sit alone in a
car with a cake for over an hour and not have a single bite!!!

I loved the story...

rf
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: Some whining. (Was: Weight Watchers vs. ?)
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:35:57 GMT

Tracy Thiessen (thiessen@emr1.emr.ca) wrote:
> In article <Jan.22.16.15.31.1993.26214@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
> 
> My sympathies.  My husband, watching me scarf down 2 cups
> of spaghetti (4 bread exchanges, had 'em in reserve), also
> makes similar "some diet" comments.

Yeah, that ticks me off when people do that, as if it were any of there
business.  I mean, do you comment on what they eat?  You should say, the
next time one of these busy bodies sticks a potato chip in their mouth, 
"Ooooh, that's gonna clog your veins with fat and cholestrol and you'll
die young."  Okay, well maybe not.

My very own sister, who is a veteran of WW, makes comments like these
when I'm following my typical low-fat maintenance diet.  I'll eat something
scrumptiously low/non-fat and she'll freak out because it doesn't look
like diet food.  She just can't get it through her head!  But hey, I'm
skinner than she is and I'm pretty much keeping it off too!  (No sibling
rivalry here, folks!!) :)
--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
From: jamisen@mekong.engin.umich.edu (jamisen laurel hobson)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Dedication
Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:40:47 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mekong.engin.umich.edu
Originator: jamisen@mekong.engin.umich.edu


I got engaged last June and I have a wonderful fiance.  So wonderful that
he thinks I am sexy and beautiful (at 170 pounds).  I was about 150 when
we met and then I promptly put on weight.  I was so disgusted when I got on
the scale one day when I decided to swim that I have been trying to 
diet ever since.  

I have been doing really well since, Jan 1 or there abouts and I am currently
eating low-fat, High-Carb and fiber diet and working out 6 days a week.

I have a small problem though and that is I have no will power.  I don't
buy things that aren't good for me so that usually isn't a problem but
this weekend I made a special dinner ( Chicken Cordon Bleu, and only 4 grams
of fat in the whole meal) but he wanted chocolate cake.  Well, when he made it I 
think I ate half of it.  The only good thing is that there wasn't any frosting.
I am very angry with myself for that.

Any suggestions for the future?
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Deal-a-meal
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:19:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt) writes:


>Someone help me!  I would like to find some information on how to get Richard 
>Simmons' Deal-a-Meal diet program.  I bought his Sweatin to the oldies video 
>but there is no information in it.

I've been looking for it for a long time also and it seems that it is
only available as part of a kit which includes a cookbook, a bunch of 
videos and a bunch of audio tapes.  All for the low low price of 
$99.00.  Sheesh.  I don't want all the other stuff.  Just the
Deal-a-Meal.

Once, my bookclub was selling Deal-A-Meal on its own, so I ordered
it, but they sent my money back and said they had run out.  It 
hasn't been offered since.

Good luck and let us know what you find out.


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
Organization: Student Employment Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:48:44 -0500 
From: Judi Mancuso <jm5p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: BACK AT IT


Hi.
Well, I am back at the diet again.  For those of you who may recall, I
have feverishyly  been trying to regain my willpower to get rid of these
last 40 lbs remaining from my pregnancy (when I gained over 75!).  I am
a WW lifetimer--having lost 82 pounds 7 years ago (after pregnancy #1). 
This board has been a constant during the struggle--as well as the "diet
email pal" I found as a result of this board.  My previous efforts up to
this point were not very successful--except that I may have learned a
thing or two along the way.  Time and time again, I vowed that "this
start" would be IT---only to fall off somewhere along the line for one
of a dozen reasons. Well, after the holidays, I tried again and I wasn't
ready--I returned to my habits before I even began.
  
My story does get better.  About a week ago, I was looking through my
old WW attendance books and found that I started WW on January 25, 1986
with 80 some pounds to loose.  Although I am not a superstious person at
all, I figured  since I have tried EVERYTHING else, maybe I missed
something and that  Jan 25 is my lucky day for beginning a program. 
Couldn't hurt.  So, I devised my plan--to give myself freedom until that
day (it helped that my b-day was in that time span) and then do it. 
Well, here I am DAY #2 and I feel so DETERMINED!  Granted, 2 days is no
big feat--but I am looking at it as such. Believe me, I am in no way
advocating  waiting until'mystical" dates to start a diet to anyone! 

I returned to WW last night (1-25) and feel good about the program.  I
know I can do it.  I was little "scared" to walk in and start AGAIN for
the upteenth time but it was so crowded that it wasn't a big deal.  I am
constantly reading the successes people have had on this board and
trying to listen to what they are saying.  I do not plan to dissappoint
myself this time.  I need to change my eating and I am making
strides--because I can literally feel the desire.  Can others give their
stories of how they KNEW they were ready?  I think people need to hear
this.  

Well, there is no stopping me now---I will keep everyone posted.    
Judi
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: fat reduction
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:05:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

xxjean@peridot.lerc.nasa.gov (Jeanetter Barnes) writes:

>weight back.  Did any of you try just working out and cutting 
>back on calories before joining WW?  If so, did you have any
>success at all with this?  This is what I plan to do to reduce

Many times.  My problem was maintaining my motivation and keeping
track of what I was eating.  

Simply making lower calorie selections and cutting portions
didn't help because I would loose track of what I had eaten
and eat more.

Weight watchers helps me with both these problems by:

1. Having a weekly meeting where I have to face a scale, and have
   my progress recorded on a card, and have a motivational speech.

   This picks up my lagging motivation and gets me through the 
   next week.

2. Gives me a chart so that I can keep track of what I eat each
   day.  

>fat and hopefully lose the 20 lbs.  I've been working out (step
>aerobics) 5 days a week, 1 hour a day for about 3-4 weeks and 
>haven't noticed a change in my weight (not even 1 lb).  However,
>I have noticed a difference in the way that my clothes fit, so 
>maybe this is working after all.

My weight loss is progressing slowly because I'm recovering from
an injury and I can't exercise.  I'm sure it will pick up when
I can start exercising again.


-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Yahoo!
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:16:48 GMT
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Peter Brooks (brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) wrote:
> 'Congratulations', he said with heavy irony.  You are now shoing the main
> symptoms of plantar fasciitis; an inflammation of the connective tissue
> supporting your arch.  

Oh wonderful!  Just what I need, another exercise related injury.  :(
So far I've messed up my knees, my back, and now my feet.  I hurt less
when I was fat and lazy.  Sigh.

BTW: Thanks for the tip.  I was just hoping it would go away.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit		San Diego, CA		cts!dale!npm
		  Gravity is no laughing matter.
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: NEED LOW FAT PASTA SAUCES
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:22:42 GMT
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

My favorite pasta sauce:

	Basil/Garlic Pasta Sauce

	For each serving cut up 1/2 cup of ripe tomatos.  Peel 3 whole
cloves of garlic, or more if you want.

	Spray your pan with Pam, or smear it with a bit of olive oil.
Saute the garlic over lowish heat until is is soft, and nicely browned.
Add in the 1/2 C of tomatos and saute the tomatos for a bit. Add in 1/2 C 
of tomato sauce.  Add a number of whole leaves of fresh basil.  Stir and 
simmer.  You might wish to remove the basil leaves before serving.

	The garlic, if it is adequately cooked, will be sweet and
smooth tasting.  And I think it won't spoil your breath.

Makes 1 large serving of sauce.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit		San Diego, CA		cts!dale!npm
		  Gravity is no laughing matter.
From: dschlow@epas.utoronto.ca (Deborah Schlow)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: NEED LOW FAT PASTA SAUCES
Summary: red pepper sauce
Keywords: red peppers, onions, garlic, yum!
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:53:30 GMT
Followup-To: Re: NEED LOW FAT PASTA SAUCES
Distribution: alt.support.diet
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS


Warning! This sauce is addictive. Because red peppers are more
expensive than gold in Toronto in the winter, I have taken to devoting
one insane weekend each summer to making huge batches of this sauce.

The secret to this sauce, and to any other, IMHO, is to use
top-of-the-line extra virgin, cold-pressed olive oil. Again, it is
pricey, but I use so little in my sauces that a bottle goes a long way.

I got this recipe years ago from the Sunday New York Times.


Coarsely chop four large red peppers, the redder the better. Take the
skin off if you are obsessive, but I don't bother.

Coarsely  chop two onions. The basic ratio for this sauce is twice as
many peppers as onions.

Chop up some garlic to taste. I use lots.

Heat about 1-2 tbsp olive oil in a pot. Add the red peppers. Stir,
cooking over high heat, about five minutes. Add the onions, garlic and
a healthy pinch of crushed, dried red pepper flakes. This is a good
time to put your salt and pepper in as well, also to taste. Cook,
stirring occasionally, another five minutes.

Barely cover the vegetables with chicken broth. I use Campbell's, one
can. Their beef broth works too, with no discernible taste difference.
When I have vegetarian friends coming over, I use a weak cup of
Knorr's vegetable bouillon. The stuff in the little can, but very weak
to avoid the flavoring they put in.

Simmer over low heat for about 15 minutes.

Puree everything in the food processor or blender. It will be
thickish, like a good potage.

Return to the pot, reheat, adding chopped fresh basil, or dried if you
have no fresh, to taste.

Serve over pasta, with some grated cheese-- a good romano or crotonese.

Bon appetit!

Deborah
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (dolan andrew)
Subject: black women on diets
Summary: black women on diets
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:10:10 GMT
Keywords: black women on diets

Am interested in mutually supportive conversations
with Black BBWs. Am a white male on a diet
who has been involved in a number of
interracial relationships with Black
BBWs. I have had my ups and downs also,
and am open to conversations.

Andy, apdolan@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu



From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:59:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Importance of water when dieting
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

When I started on my fast, one of the early blood tests showed me
at risk for gout, so I had to drink more water.  For what it's worth,
the behaviorists at the HMR program (registered dieticians, all)
buy into the 8-10 cups of water, even for themselves.  I naver asked
them the rationale for someone at steady weight, though.

Pete (usually well hydrated :-) Brooks

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,misc.fitness,rec.fitness
From: jmk@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.m.knapp)
Subject: Re: Proform exercise machine
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:08:54 GMT

wilsonbr@cps.msu.edu (Brian R Wilson) writes:
>                                             I personally don't like
>treadmills that much.  I think that running is not the best thing since
>in is so hard on the knees and ankles with all the bouncing.

One point about treadmills: you can actually WALK on them, too. :-)
At a brisk walking clip, say 4 mph, and a 10% incline, a good level of
exertion and fitness can be achieved. Likewise, with an incline, slower
running speeds can be used -- for example 6.0 mph (10 minute mile) at
a 10% incline would be equivalent to about 8 mph (7:30 mile) on the
flat in terms of aerobic fitness.

---
Joe Knapp   jmk@cbvox.att.com
From: bek@po.CWRU.Edu (Brett E. Katz)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: temptations
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:29:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


 Hi. I'm the original poster. I want to thank everyone who
sent me suggestions on how to avoid the chocolate I was 
obsessiong over. Unfortunately, I binged anyway. After working
out, visiting friends, eating a healthy dinner and trying to 
avoid it, I was still going crazy over that stupid candy. So, 
I thought one piece would satisfy me. WRONG! One led to two, three,
four, five.... You get the idea.
 Anyway, I learned. I didn't like the full feeling of candy after
three weeks of eating so healthy. Plus, I felt really guilty.
So, I got right back on track Saturday morning. I worked out extra
hard and really followed my Weight Watchers program strictly. 
 I'll see what the scales say this week, but even if I gained
(Though I sure hope I don't!) that chocolate got me super
motivated again. So, in a way, it wasn't that bad of an
experience. I guess.....
 Again, thanks for everyone's help. This group is so helpful.

 -- Brett
--
From: jamisen@mekong.engin.umich.edu (jamisen laurel hobson)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Aerobics at home
Date: 26 Jan 1993 04:29:58 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mekong.engin.umich.edu
Originator: jamisen@mekong.engin.umich.edu


I liked the Fitness Pro's so much I taped 2 weeks worth of their show
so I could so it on the days I am not home at 11.

I hate denise austin too.

The work-outs thus far on Fitness Pros are really good and my only
complaint is that they aren't quite long enough and you need too much
space.  ( I have a space of about 5x7 to work out in.)
From: bzimmerm@uwsuper.edu (BARBARA J. ZIMMERMAN)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: VLC Diets
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:46:16 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Superior, Wisconsin
NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.81.10.158

Hi :) I am very new to this board and have a question. I recently started
a VLC liquid diet. I've been on the program for about three weeks and have
already lost nearly 20 lbs!!! I am feeling pretty good except for one thing.
I sometimes have a tingling sensation in my arms, fingers, legs and feet. I 
told my doctor about this but he didn't seem too concerned. It wouldn't 
bother me so much but it seems like my arms and legs want to fall asleep if
I even cross them for more than 10 SECONDS!! I am not exagerating!!!
any ideas about this? my doctor doesn't seem to be much help as I mentioned..
Also, I'd love to hear from people who've been on these kind of liquid
programs.. did you have any trouble staying at your goal weight? any tips
for me?? I still have quite a bit of weight to lose (about 85 lbs). My 
motivation is pretty good right now.. but any input would help me to stay
on the right track...
hope to hear from you all...
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: re: Should I try Weight Watchers?
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:20:53 GMT

OK, I've read this group for some time, but have only posted maybe once.
But, when I saw the words Nutrisystem, I had to respond. I joined 
Nutrisystem a few years ago and lost about 30 pounds. Obviously, I was
overweight, but not so bad, compared to now. I fully blame Nutrisystem
for giving me an eating disorder that I didn't have before. I'm now
about 100 pounds over what I was when I reached N.S. goal. I have
never been as out of control as I have been since I went to them. And,
believe me, if you were to try to go back, you WOULD have to pay again.
I've done Weight Watchers in the past with some success and would
recommend it. It's cheap (was $25 to join here and $7 or $8 a week) and
teaches good principles, plus you get to eat real food. At this point,
however, I don't think I can go back to a structured program, but I
have begun trying to count fat grams and eat more carbs, veggies, etc.
My last hurdle is exercise and if I can get motivated to work out again,
I think I'll be OK. Sorry this is so long, but I just want to warn folks
off Nutrisystem (those using it, please don't flame me and good luck).

Kay



Xref: sparky alt.support.diet:3492 misc.fitness:9826
From: jamisen@mekong.engin.umich.edu (jamisen laurel hobson)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,misc.fitness,rec.fitness
Subject: Re: Proform exercise machine
Date: 26 Jan 1993 03:58:54 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: mekong.engin.umich.edu
Originator: jamisen@mekong.engin.umich.edu


I have used a cross country ski machine (by weider, I think) and I think
from what you are talking about that is what you would like.  The model that
I used cost approx $150.00 and had all the electronics with it.  No incline 
though.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:33:59 GMT

I'm happy you're losing weight, but sorry for your loss.  A small tragedy
was responsible for my decision to lose weight.  I was laid off from 
a nasty job -- how awful (NOT!) -- and I decided that if I didn't
do something to improve my self-esteem, I'd become a morose, self-pitying
lump of humanity.  

I know that I feel best about myself when I have control over my life.
Losing that awful job made me feel out of control, so I took control
over my weight instead.

It worked out great!  I'm not the same person I was.  I feel so much
more in charge, and it spills over into every facet of my life.  I hope
you can take this negative thing that has happened to you, and use it
to motivate yourself to take control somewhere else.  We don't have
to be victims forever.

--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit		San Diego, CA		cts!dale!npm
		  Gravity is no laughing matter.
From: dianeg@bcm.tmc.edu (Diane Ellen Griffiths)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: temptations
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:40:12 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu
Summary: Just think..

In article <1jphirINNf21@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bek@po.CWRU.Edu (Brett E. Katz) writes:
> 
>  Hi. I'm new to this group, so I am sure this had been
> discussed before but I need some help!
> 
>  What do you do to avoid eating those calorie-laden
> goodies that can sabatoge even the best intentions?
> 
>  Right now, a big box of gourmet, imported chocolates that
> I hid away in the back of a kitchen cabinet are calling me.
> I'm at work; the candy (a gift) is at home. I'm obsessing
> about the chocolate and getting pretty nervous about going 
> home.

   Stuff deleted here..
>  
>  So, how do I win out over the chocolate? I can't throw them
> away because that wouldn't be fair to my fiance (he can 
> eat them), plus I'd feel guilty throwing away perfectly
> good candy that would make a nice addition to a future dinner
> party....I know eating one would lead to eating them all...
> 

 Hiya Brett!

 I know what you are going through right now. I am that way about
chocolate myself! When I get that way I know I have to at least have a
taste of it. Generally what I do is when I have sweets in the house I put
them in the freezer (WAY in the back) so it is hard to find and then when
you want a piece you have to wait for it to thaw. I just reached my goal
weight at Weight Watchers and my biggest problem is chocolate. I have
finally gotten to the point that when I want chocolate just a taste of it
will satisfy my craving for it. I will either eat one piece and give the
rest to my husband, or have one piece and hide the rest. If you don't eat
any of it if you are like me when you see any chocolate the next day or so
you will binge on it. One piece of the candy won't kill you for a week on
Weight Watchers. That is where all of my optional calories go! 

Good luck in losing the weight! All you have to think of is the saying a
lot of Weight Watchers know...

"Nothing tastes as good as feeling thin feels!"

Diane