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From: kgallagh@digi.lonestar.org (Kevin Gallagher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: rz/sz doesn't work on our machines
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:49:46 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <23235@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> bill@solaria.hac.com writes:
>I also connect my PC through a VAX to my Apollo.  However, I found that
>the only way I could send files from the Apollo to the PC was to use
>the '-e' (escape control characters) option. I assume that without it
>the VAX in the middle is XOFF'd and communication is blocked.  Unfortunately,
>although the GSZ I use on the PC can receive escaped control characters,
>it doesn't seem to be able to send them... transferring a file from PC
>to Apollo requires storing it on the VAX then ftp'ing to Apollo...

We use Multinet's version of telnet.  I believe that the VAX is connect to the
Apollo network via an ethernet setup.  In any case, when I connect from the
VAX to my Apollo node, I invoke telnet using the following options:

        TELNET/UNIX/NO_LOCAL_FLOW_CONTROL

Somehow, telnet automatically changes the PC to VAX Decserver connection to
PASSALL mode.  The NO_LOCAL_FLOW_CONTROL option tells the VAX terminal driver
to pass ^S and ^Q characters on to the host at the other end of the
connection.

>So how are you able to get 232 cps?  Best I get (with the '-e' option)
>is about 180 cps...

With my connection, I don't have to use the '-e' option.

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From: tharpm@gtephx.UUCP (Michael Tharp)
Subject: BNF for Aegis shell
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:56:52 GMT

Does anyone have it? Please e-mail or post.

Many thanks in advance,
Michael
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From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: 3rd Party Hard Disks for Apollo's
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:34:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

My two cents worth...

hecke@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Peter M. Hecke) writes:

:)My questions are as follows:

:)  1.  What non-HP 1.3 GByte drives are compatible with the
:)      above mentioned machines and configurations?

We have successfully added two Fujitsu 2266SA external drives to a 425t
on the external SCSI connector under Domain/OS.  These are 1.3GB drives
(formatted to just over 1GB.)  No problems.

:)  2.  What hardware (ie: screws, mounts, etc) if any do I
:)      need to mount the drives?

You should be able to arrange that with the people you buy your drives
from.  They may suggest an enclosure to go with it.  I've never put
third party drives into an HP enclosure.
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From: johnb@HOBBES.MDC.COM (John Breen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Versatec plot file format
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:24:48 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Missile Systems Company

This isn't really an Apollo question, but I figure someone out there knows
the answer.

I'm trying to find out the file format that the Versatec electrostatic
plotters (eg, v80, v7236) use (I'm assuming it's the same for all size
plotters).  In other words, if I wanted to print a raster file to a
versatec using 'prf -transparent', what should the file look like?

Thanks.

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From: davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts)
Subject: Re: Changing gatweay nodes
Summary: problem solved, never mind
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:17:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.215203.5370@u.washington.edu>, I write:
> I have been attempting to change the routing node between the 204
> (Ethernet) and 203 (ring) Domain internets.  The new router (ID=1CE59)
> has been configured, and it can access both nets.  However, lcnet still
> reports the router as the old machine (ID=42D7D), and all systems try
> in vain to use a router that no longer exists:
> [ edited ]

Never mind, I figured it out myself.  You can't simply shut down a
router and unplug it; that router must tell the network that it's
no longer a router with rtsvc -noroute.  Bah.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: lampi@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: SCSI on 5500
Summary: Maybe, if you ask enough times .....
Organization: R Squared, Redmond, WA (206) 883-3116
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:43:01 GMT

In article <9209031417.AA02114@cel.cummins.com> philip@cel.cummins.com (Philip D. Pokorny) writes:
>David Krowitz says:
>> The WD7000 controller supports two ESDI disks, a floppy, and SCSI tape
>> drives ... no SCSI disks. This is entirely a software limitation.
>> HP decided not to supply the SCSI disk driver for the DN3500/4500/5500
>> series.
>Perhaps those new SWT guys taking over development of
>Domain/OS will look into making the drivers available.  They
>really want to prove they are going to do good things for the
>Domain/OS customers and SCSI support on DN machines is certainly
>high on the list of Frequently Asked Questions... 
>Unfortunately, I don't think it was raised at the Engineering
>directions at InterWORKS...
>
Yes, the question was raised (by me at the HW & Peripherals SIG table)
at InterWorks, and some other people there even voted for it. I think
it even beat out several other issues :-)

One problem that I see with SWT is that they are absolutely, 100% green to
Domain OS. Also, the main direction they are taking (and I don't blame
them) is to make only those changes that won't break any application.

However, the SWT people I spoke with also indicated that this means they
will be very reluctant to add significant functionality (such as SCSI disks
on WD controllers, >4GB physical disk volumes/RAID, etc.), because this
might break something somewhere. Also, the frequency of system releases is
going to decrease from the torrid pace we've seen recently :-)


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From: sn@hpucph.HP.COM ( Steen Noergaard)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:16:00 GMT
Subject: Re: HP cafe (was Re: Strange packaging technique)
Organization: dnk
From: krowitz@QUAKE.MIT.EDU (David Krowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Re: SCSI on 5500
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:52:17 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

"Torrid"? I thought "torrid" meant something like
"hot and steamy" as in "a torrid love scene got this
movie an R rating".

I think maybe you meant to use the word "topor" more like
"she languished in the heat, her torpor left her bereft of
energy or ambition". I mean, like one SW release every 12 to
18 months.

== Dave K

;-)

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From: beierl_c@apollo.hp.com (Christopher Beierl)
Subject: Re: SR10.4 Disk Quotas Are Total TRASH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:57:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <9209151908.AA25075@srvr2.engin.umich.edu> SP02038@SWTEXAS.BITNET writes:
>...
>On a similar note... The PRMGR at SR10.4 is TRASH too.  I have tried everything
>conceivable to get it working, but it still cannot find the global location
>broker.  The glbd is running, and everything is able to access it without
>difficulty EXCEPT the prmgr.  Someone posted something earlier about it, and the
>reply was to use the SR10.3 prmgr.  Well, we upgraded from a much earlier SR and
>don't happen to have the SR10.3 prmgr.  I would be eternally grateful to anyone
>willing to mail me the SR10.3 prmgr as a uuencoded file :)

Patch pd92_m0452 (m68k) / pd92_p0442 (a88k) contains a new prmgr which should fix
this problem.  I believe that both were released on the July '92 patch tape.

-Chris
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From: paulisch@ztivax.UUCP (Dr. Frances Paulisch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: XDR on Apollos?
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:56:42 GMT
Reply-To: paulisch@ztivax.UUCP (Dr. Frances Paulisch)
Organization: Siemens AG in Munich, W-Germany

I have an application which uses the XDR routines to save data in an 
efficient, (supposedly) machine-independent binary format.  Upon porting 
it to our Apollo workstations (DN3000), we noticed that the XDR include 
files and system calls are not available on our Apollo systems.

Does anyone know whether the XDR routines are, in fact, available on 
Apollo? If not, does anyone know of public-domain version of the 
XDR-routines which we could then port ourselves?

Many thanks in advance

Frances Paulisch		paulisch@ztivax.zfe.siemens.de
Siemens AG
ZFE BT SE 3
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From: ted@telematics.com (Ted Goldblatt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: DN3500 as a terminal server?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:31:23 GMT
Organization: Telematics Intl., Inc.; Ft. Lauderdale, FL

We have a DN3500 (8 MB, currently running 10.3) that will become
"spare" over the next week or two.  There are plans to use it as a
dedicated X terminal, but it has been suggested that it could also
be used as a (dial-in) terminal server for rlogins to other (mostly 
non-Apollo) nodes.

The main question is how good is the serial support (e.g., can we
realistically support 3 9600 baud dial-in ports on the beast)?
If so, (and even if not :-)), what are the real-world limits?  I
assume we couldn't support 3 V.42bis/MNT5 modems (alleged throughput
topping out at approximately 58k baud equivalent), but it would be
nice.  what _could_ we support?  Is 3 2400 baud lines the limit?

Would there be any benefit to upgrade the node to 10.4 (we have
it, we just haven't bothered to install it yet)?

For the most part, any X terminal use would be during (normal :-))
working days, while dial-in use would be during evenings and weekends,
but there would be some overlap.  Would X use impact the async usage?
(I don't think that the reverse matters much).

Thanx for any input!

ted
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From: jdc@naucse.cse.nau.edu (John Campbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: lv label validation error
Keywords: logical volume, invol, salvol
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:31:41 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ

This past weekend our DN10000 crashed and failed to come back up
after a cold boot.  Salvol complained that it could repair the
file system automatically.  We did the following:

   SP> ex salvol
   uid is 20202020.450ADE0B should be 00000201.00000000
   lv label validation error, block header error
   Error: status code 80011, could not assign logical volume
   SP>

So, is there any way to put a proper volume label back on the disk
with SP> tools (invol?) without destroying all the data?  Note that
 ``SP> ld'' shows a //local area on the hard disk, but some of the
tools (DEX) can't find their help files (they seem to look in a
different disk partition--part of the Aegis / directory).

We don't have the diagnostic manuals or hardware/software support
from HP.  Assuming we have lost all our data and must start from
backup tapes, what general procedure is involved?

Does the following sound about right?  (We haven't booted off tape
since we got the machine a long time ago--is that done with config?)

Invol the disk, if salvol now runs, run config to prepare to boot 
from tape, boot from tape, load in the last backup tape, struggle
a while to get things back to where they were...

Finally, what's a DN10000 with a broken hard disk worth these days?
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                                    JDC@NAUVAX.UCC.NAU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: szabo_p@maths.su.oz.au (Paul Szabo)
Subject: re: diskless 425e off 425s
Keywords: diskless boot on secondary network
Reply-To: szabo_p@maths.su.oz.au (Paul Szabo)
Organization: Mathematics, University of Sydney
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:38:45 GMT

In article <199209101438.AA03123@pan.ssec.honeywell.com>
thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (John Thompson) writes:

> > I am trying to run a diskless HP/Apollo 425e off a HP/Apollo 425s.
> > The OS on the 425s is SR 10.3.4. We also have a diskless 425t off the
> > same 425s using the token ring. Now the 425e only has ethernet. When
> > My question is:
> > Given the token ring as the principal network and the ethernet as
> > the secondary network, is it possilbe to boot the 425e and the 425t
> > off the 425s at the same time? (There is no problem to boot the 425t 
> > as it stands now.)
> 
> Not as you currently have it.  If you changed the 425t and the 425s to
> have the ethernet as their primary networks, then you could boot the
> 425e and 425t off the 425s system.
> 
> I've known it for a long time, and heard it for a long time, but until today,
> I don't remember ever SEEING that you couldn't boot diskless along an alternate
> network.  However...  in "Planning Apollo Networks and Internets", page 12-1
> (in the -A01 revision anyway), they have a NOTICE:
>     Apollo nodes _cannot_ boot from partners on other networks in the
>     internet, so plan to locate diskless nodes and their partners on the
>     same network.

I do not see any reason why a node could not boot off a disked node on its
own (i.e. the diskless node's) primary network; it seems irrelevant whether
that network is primary or secondary for the disked node. We have a Domain
internet composed of 5 TR rings and one ethernet (plus the 'outside'
ethernet, but that does not carry Domain traffic). We occasionally boot
nodes off the gateway nodes, from the primary or the secondary side. In fact
we do have such an arrangement permanently: my own node is a disked 425t.
Its primary network is TR; there is a diskless 425t on the ring booted off
it. It also provides 'rtsvc -route' services between the TR and the
ethernet, and there is a diskless 425e on the ethernet booted off it.

Hope this helps.

Paul Szabo - System Manager   //        School of Mathematics and Statistics
szabo_p@maths.su.oz.au        //   University of Sydney, NSW 2006, Australia
From: szabo_p@maths.su.oz.au (Paul Szabo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: 425e: diskless -> disked ?? HELP
Date: 7 Sep 92 00:37:30 GMT
Reply-To: szabo_p@maths.su.oz.au (Paul Szabo)
Organization: Mathematics, University of Sydney

We have recently bought a couple of 425e's. Seeing HP's prices for things
like disks and memory, we decided to purchase 'minimum-configuration'
machines, with the idea of adding third-party bits-and-pieces.

I am having some trouble creating a disked 425e. I can easily plug in the
disk: the power supply cables are in place, the SCSI connector is there.
(The SCSI cable I used is a straight-through cable: connects pin 1 on one
connector to pin 1 on the other, same as in a DN2500.) The problem is
probably not one of terminators: the terminators are in place on the (only)
disk drive; it does not matter whether I plug in or not a terminator at the
back of the machine (into the external SCSI interface). The problem is
unlikely to be the type of disk I used: I also tried a Rodime drive (which
is a spare for a DN2500).

At the power-on (ROM) self test, the node displays

   HP98265 (SCSI S 32) at 14
       register test failed
   ...
   STORAGE DEVICE TESTS STARTED
   HP_$SCSI_SC_INIT: error
      SCSI bus init routine failed
      Storage Devices               - ABSENT

If I use 'DI N' and then 'TE' at the MD prompt, then it will also run the
loadable self test, at the end of which it will display

   -- Failure List --
      SCSI Device ID 7
      HP98265 (SCSI S 32) at 14

The disk used is jumpered to be SCSI ID 6 (and this last message does not
change if I re-jumper the drive to ID 5).

The node will not run: after 'DI N', 'EX anything' it will show the dots
while loading, then the line 'low high start', and then it just hangs.

I thought this might be caused by some jumper or setting on the 425e. But I
cannot see any jumpers that could be changed. (There are some jumpers next
to the ethernet connectors, but they are supposed to be the selector between
thick and thin ethernet. Also there are two DIP switches, but they must be
related to video mode selection: one switch is labelled 'C' and 'G' (color
or grayscale), the other '72' and '60' (Hertz).)

The 'CF' 'I/O Configuration', 'SCSI' command shows (correct?) default
values:
   Select Code      14
   Interrupt Level   4
   Parity            Y
   Bus Address       7
(The LAN SelectCode and InterruptLevel are 21 and 5, the HP Parallel ones
are 12 and 3).

(Obviously, if I unplug the disk the node will work properly.)


Can anyone help me to get the disk going?

Thanks in advance,

Paul Szabo - System Manager   //        School of Mathematics and Statistics
szabo_p@maths.su.oz.au        //   University of Sydney, NSW 2006, Australia
From: roger@GW1.AGS.BNL.GOV (Roger A. Katz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: rgyd problem...again...:)
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:36:34 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Ok, i just got back from a long vacation and I forgot alot...:).
          
I have seen this problem before, I thought i new how to fix it, but what i now do dont work.

I am trying to restart a rgyd slave on a node. running 10.3.5. node has its own llbd and glbd. 
rgyd dont start, get following errors....
bsd4.3-C: /etc/rgyd
Registry: Fatal Error - Cannot initialize server database - 0X1C040008 - Registry entry not found (network computing system/Registry Server)
bsd4.3-C: /etc/rgyd -create
Registry: Error - Cannot locate master replica - 0X1C020003 - no matching entry available (network computing system/locating broker)
Registry: Fatal Error - Cannot initialize server replica - 0X1C020003 - no matching entry available (network computing system/locating broker)

I have renamed /sys/registry on this node to see if that helps but it dosent.
                              
I have stopped and restarted both llbd and glbd on this node. same errors.

I have used lb_admin to clean up the daemons.
I have used lb_admin to look at my other glbds, they all look fine.

I know i have missed something simple, but I have missed it.

I hope i do not have to stop and restart all my glbds everywhere?

Chuckles at my dilemma will be understood. Help would be appreciated...:).

Roger

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi)
Subject: Printing to an ethernet printer using Domain/OS 10.3.5
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:55:48 GMT

I'm interested in knowing if we can print to a postscript printer 
which has an ethernet interface using our current Apollo network 
configuration.  We're using Domain/OS 10.3.5 on DN3/4/5xxx machines as 
well as a few 425T (SYSTYPE=sys5.3, we wouldn't mind changing if need 
be).  All of the machines but one are on the token ring and we do 
have a token ring/ethernet gateway in place. 

Let's say for the sake of argument we purchase an HP IIIsi with an
ethernet interface to service our PCs running LANMAN.  Eventually (as
we turnover the DN machines to HP 700s) our workstation environment will
be able to access the same printers, however I am curious if we can make
use of this feature today.  I know you can setup remote printers in the
BSD environment using printcap files, but those printers are still
hanging off a machine via RS-232 or parallel interface.  What about a
standalone printer?  How do you get to it?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: rkennedy@gandalf.ca (Rich Kennedy)
Subject: Hard disk repair while preserving disk data
Summary: Can some hard disk failures be repaired and preserve disk data?
Keywords: disk 
Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:02:28 GMT

Readers,

  I have a Maxtor 384meg drive that died a slow death. Initially the
problem was heat related, because it would work for a short while if
the machine was powered off for a day (Ohh..Apollo 3500..) and turned
back on.  The Apollo system error said DISK TIMEOUT and you could hear
the disk had stopped spinning. Now the drive stops spinning within 
minutes of powering up.

 I'd like to know if any repair outfit could fix the drive and preserve
the data - assuming the type of failure was unrelated to the integrity of
the data storage.

 I have backups of the important files, but the disk has a lot of good 
stuff I picked up over time and it would nice to get it back if the cost
of doing so is not too high.

 Thanks for any feedback...

Rich Kennedy    email:   rkennedy@gandalf.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
From: pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Domain 4000 HD Controllers?
Reply-To: pauls@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:12:13 GMT

What kinds of hard drive controllers exist for the Apollo Domain 4000?

If anyone has possible sources for new or used controllers compatible with  
this machine, I would be very interested in hearing about it.

The machine had a Micropolis 170Mb ESDI drive in it.  The controller is  
dead and the drive has been moved on for use with PCs.

I really know nothing about this old beast, but would basically like to  
set it up as a glorified terminal (ie, cheaply).

Can it be run diskless?

Will IDE, SCSI, MFM, or RLL controllers be found for it?

Thanks.

Paul Southworth
CSS/ITD
University of Michigan
From: zrde05@trc.amoco.com (Robert D. Ess)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo
Subject: Registry
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:30:45 GMT
Reply-To: zrde05@trc.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research

Have any Domainites written and have available any tools for registry administration
that can be executed by Joe User with having to be the rgy owner and use edrgy? I
will summarize. Thanks




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