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From: mece21x@rosie.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Ideas for ACK
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:04:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <serNcPu00WB610gppM@andrew.cmu.edu>, Sudha Neelakantan <sudha+@CMU.EDU> writes...
>I have it from the authority of no less a person than my dad that
>Valluvanad u<taluq speaks the purest malayalam in all of Kerala.  I
>personally must admit to knowing only of Palghat malayalam which is
>completely tamil biased and sounds vaguely threatening to boot, or the
>really weird Trivandrum dialect which is sometimes incomprehensible

It is tough, but not spooky, or wierd. It is intelligent, hence incomprehensible
You cannot ask in any other Malayalam, as you do in this one. The purest in
grammer. For e.g. :- "YEntharade cHworukalu kazhicHa?" Note that we use the
the correct numbers all the time.

>and ofcourse my homestyle familiar kottayam style malayalam.
> 
> 
>Sudha
> 
><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>   Sudha K. Neelakantan     < Clouds come floating into my life,  
>    The Heinz School of      \ no longer to carry rain or usher storm   
>Public Policy and Management  \ but to add color to my sunset sky.
>      Carnegie Mellon          >    - Rabindranath Tagore -
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|  Michael Yesudas         |  The control of the means of production   |
|  Mechanical Engineering  |  of wealth is the absolute control of     |
|  University of Houston   |  human life itself                        |
|  mece21x@jetson.uh.edu   |                    --   Hilaire Belloc    |
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From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Sweet & Old Malayalaganangal
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:46:05 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


Sung by:	Yesudas
Film:		No  idea.

	kaayaanboo kaNNil vidarum kamalaDaLam kaviLil vidarum
	anuraagavathee ninchodikaLil ninnaalippazham pozhiyum

	ponnaranJaaNam bhoomikku chaartthum
	puzhayudeyEkaantha puLinatthil
	nin mR~DusmEratthin inDrajaalam kaNdu
	nithyavismayavumaay nJaaniRanGi	(2)
	sakhi nJaaniRanGi

			kaayaanboo...
	
	ninnekkuRicchu nJaan paadiya paattin~
	niravadhi OLanGaL Sruthiyittu
	ninmanOraajyatthe neelakkadanbil nee
	enteyee kaLitthONi kettiyittu	(2)
	sakhi kettiyittu

			kaayaanboo...

Enjoy,

Mathai
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From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Sweet & Old Malayalaganangal
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:12:55 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA


Sung by:	Yesudas
Film:		sinDooracchepp

	OmalaaLe kaNdu nJaan poonkinaavil
	thaarakanGaL punchiriccha neelaraavil

	naalunila panthalittu vaanilanbiLi
	naagaswara mELamittu paathiraakkiLi
	Ekayaayi raagalOlayaayi
	ente munnil vannavaL kuNunGi ninnu
	Ekayaayi raagalOlayaayi
	ente munnil vannavaL kuNunGi ninnu
	munnil kuNunGi ninnu

	OmalaaLe kaNdu nJaan poonkinaavil
	thaarakanGaL punchiriccha neelaraavil

	nJaan thozhunna kOvilile DeviyaaNavaL
	nJaan kothikkum DevalOka RaNiyaaNavaL
	thaaLamaaNavaL jeevaraagamaaNavaL
	thaalichaarthum nJaanavaLkkee-neelaraavil
	thaaLamaaNavaL jeevaraagamaaNavaL
	thaalichaarthum nJaanavaLkkee-neelaraavil
	thaalichaarthum nJaanee-neelaraavil

	OmalaaLe kaNdu nJaan poonkinaavil
	thaarakanGaL punchiriccha neelaraavil

Enjoy,

Mathai
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From: jacobt@nynexst.com (Jacob Thomas)
Subject: Re: ***KERALA***
Reply-To: jacobt@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:35:00 GMT

The Telugu article quoted by Rajesh was disturbing, and sad, indeed. I hadn't heard of such severe problems through other publications or people. My hope is that the article quoted was exaggerating, and that the more literate people of Kerala will not feed the fire. There is just too much to lose!

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From: dm6674f90@auvax1.adelphi.edu (DDM)
Subject: Correction!
Reply-To: dm6674f90@auvax1.adelphi.edu
Organization: Adelphi University, Garden City, NY
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:31:54 GMT

	This is an irrelevant post but I want to set the record straight. 
Wherever I have noted Michael Yesudas as MJ I did so in my moronic inability
to realize the fact that Yesudas begins with Y not J. So please correct
yourself as you read my postings.
	Thanks again.
									D.M. 
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From: rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: ***Chitra Lokam***
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:35:57 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu
Keywords: KAMALADALAM

                            KAMALADALAM
                           -------------

Starring : Mohanlal,Parvathi,Monisha,Vineet,Oduvil Unnikrishnan,Mamu Koya
           Nedumudi Venu,Sukumari,Murali

Director: Sibi Malayil

Songs sung by Yesudas

Highs:

 - acting
 - songs
 - dance. Excellent job by Mohanlal,Vineet, Monisha

Lows:

 - Story similar to the tamil movie Silangaioli(Kamala Hassan)
 - Tape not good as it has been compressed from 70mm and not too clear. 
   Such tapes are called 'Cinema Print' back at home.
 - Very predictable story line.


Personally, I liked this movie and it is worth watching. This movie was a 
mega hit in Kerala. 

Have fun,

peace

-rajesh
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From: bphilip@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Ben Philip)
Subject: Re: Ideas for ACK
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:04:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.175245.6595@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.130411.23728@crd.ge.com> joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph) writes:
>.
>.
>>   Murali,  all these topics are too nice.  No room for arguments
>>or fights or flames.  What we need is fightin' words and fightin' topics.
>
>Exactly. 
>
>>
>>>(12)Variation of Kerala Lifestyle, language etc from Thiruvananthapuram
>>>to Kasargod
>>
>>    Now there is a decent topic if I ever saw one.  Let us take for example
>>language. Which part of Kerala do you think speaks pure (shudha) malayalam ?
>>That is, malayalam without funny accents.  Is it the southies ? No way !!
>>They say "kwazhi" for "kozhi" and "bwanji" for soda naaranga vellom.  Do
>>you think it is the Trichur guys with their ha ha funny accent.  Of course
>>not.  Of course there is no hope if you go further north.
>
>The following is not intended for fighting. But, it is a fact that
>people from the Ernakulam district speak the purest possible malayalam.
>No accents, no variations but exactly like it is written in books. Only
>Yesudas would be able to beat our pronunciation!
>
>
>>Kanjirappally Taluk, Especially Erumely village, and the purest of the
>>pure - Chenappady pakuthi.
>>
>>   james joseph                     joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com
>>
>
>Regards,
>
>Mathai


Gentlemen, Gentlemen,  now we all know that the really pure Malayalam
dialect, without undue contractions or stretchings can be found in the
region between Kottayam and Punalur.  Now, if you want to get really, really 
more specific, you can restrict it to between Thiruvalla and Adur. :-)

:-)  :-) :-) :-) :-)  :-)
Ben
From: mece21x@elroy.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael)
Subject: Chetta vs Chetta
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:01:00 GMT

How do we distinguish between Chetta (Thara Class) and Chetta (or is it
chyettta, as we say in Thiruvananthapuram)?
James, Any ideas on Transliteration recently? Get Mathai out of the mess
before he starts justifying on the first letter of the name.
What is the Malayalam pazhanchollu, the equivalent of "Which which things
at what what times will happeno, those those things at that that times
will happeney happen"?
Please Help. Don't try to do it, do it. And to do or not to do is not
the question.
Sincerely
Michael  

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|  Michael Yesudas         |  The control of the means of production   |
|  Mechanical Engineering  |  of wealth is the absolute control of     |
|  University of Houston   |  human life itself                        |
|  mece21x@jetson.uh.edu   |                    --   Hilaire Belloc    |
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From: indran@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Historical Introduction to Bharani pattu
Date: 10 Oct 92 20:49:55 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Following the footsteps of Hindu fundamentalists now days, in north India, 
Budhists fundamentalists are trying to regain the control of 
some Hindu temples which were originally Budhist temples.

Acording to some Historians, around AD 1000, majority of 
Keralits were Budhists and Hindusm was on decline. Shankaracharya 
(8th Century AD) started the fight to regain the power and 
popularity for Hindusm. As a result, sometimes after 10th century most 
of the Budhists temples were demolished or converted into Hindu temples. 
Kodungallur and Sabarimala are described as two of such Budhists 
temples. Generally Hindu temples were out of reach, even in the 
20th century, for lower class people. However the Kodungallur 
Devi temple celeberate so called 'Kavu-theendal' durung which 
lower class people were allowed to enter the temple.
The method of worship include chatting (singing ?) of 
'Bharani pattu' and beating the walls of the temple 
using wooden sticks, whch support the theory that 
Hindu leaders used lower class people to force out  the 
Budhists monks from the temple.

The case of Sabiarimala is also interesting. The way 'Ayyapan' 
sitting is very strange. No other Hindu God is sitting like that. 
He also got very big eyes just like that of Budha. Those who 
are going to Sabarimala are supposed to isolate themself 
from the normal way of life and the prayer include mantras 
similar to  'Budham Sharanam Ghaami' 

Do we have enough Budhists in Kerala to reclame Kodungallur and 
Sabarimala ?

........Ravi
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From: mece21x@elroy.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael)
Subject: Re: Ideas for ACK
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:53:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.175245.6595@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes...
>In article <1992Oct10.130411.23728@crd.ge.com> joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph) writ>..
>>
>>>(12)Variation of Kerala Lifestyle, language etc from Thiruvananthapuram
>>>to Kasargod
>>
>>    Now there is a decent topic if I ever saw one.  Let us take for example
>>language. Which part of Kerala do you think speaks pure (shudha) malayalam ?
>>That is, malayalam without funny accents.  Is it the southies ? No way !!
>>They say "kwazhi" for "kozhi" and "bwanji" for soda naaranga vellom.  Do
>>you think it is the Trichur guys with their ha ha funny accent.  Of course
>>not.  Of course there is no hope if you go further north.
> 
>The following is not intended for fighting. But, it is a fact that
>people from the Ernakulam district speak the purest possible malayalam.
>No accents, no variations but exactly like it is written in books. Only
>Yesudas would be able to beat our pronunciation!


THANKS, VERY NICE OF YOU!!!

> 
> 
>>Kanjirappally Taluk, Especially Erumely village, and the purest of the
>>pure - Chenappady pakuthi.
>>
>>   james joseph                     joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com
>>
> 
>Regards,
> 
>Mathai
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|  Michael Yesudas         |  The control of the means of production   |
|  Mechanical Engineering  |  of wealth is the absolute control of     |
|  University of Houston   |  human life itself                        |
|  mece21x@jetson.uh.edu   |                    --   Hilaire Belloc    |
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From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Re: Dowry
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:14:17 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <Bvpon6.F1q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pcjg7045@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Pramod C. John) writes:

> 	Especially as a Christian, based on the principles taught by Jesus, I 
> find the practice and the mindset to be even more disturbing. 

> Pramod John
> 

Does christianity say anything about dowry? Are there any events in Bible
which teach that giving and taking dowry is wrong? If so, then why is it
that even churches take a portion of the dowry? 

The Bible, I think, has a harmful effect on the equality of men and
women. Doesn't Genesis say that woman was created just because man needed
her?

Regards,

Mathai

-- 


Mathai Chundatt            mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
==================================================================
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From: ganesh@mega.cs.umn.edu (M. Ganesh)
Subject: Re: Ideas for ACK
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:24:05 GMT

In article <Bw4LzF.7Ht@ulowell.ulowell.edu> sphilip@cs.ulowell.edu (Sheela B. Philip) writes:
>
>you mean chetta,  not chatta , I hope.

No, no he was correct in the pronounciation of the word (irrespective of the 
meaning). You aren't familiar with the thiruvananthapuram malayalam, are you?
ganesh
From: rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            )
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Dowry: Conclusion?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 13:26:44 GMT
Organization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada

In article <1992Oct12.010541.3254@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:

>Our society considers women as the weaker sex. The reserved counters at
>railway stations, in buses and such social contexts are examples of this
>view. Aren't the women more eager to preserve these "rights of weaker
>sex" than men? Or does anyone think that these would correct their being
>looked upon as the weaker sex?
>
>I think the best thing is to wait till our women become really equal to
>men in all respects. Then, dowry will vanish by itself.



Could you explain this last statement of yours please?


I would like to know how exactly *women would become really equal to man*?? 
Btw, while you are at it, could you present your views on why the woman is
 considered to be weaker than the man???










 
Thank you,

Arathi. 

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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Dowry: Conclusion?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:12:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.010541.3254@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:
>
>I think the best thing is to wait till our women become really equal to
>men in all respects. Then, dowry will vanish by itself.

This is what I call circular reasoning...

Now, can you answer that question about the mango? ie, the one about what came
first.. the "manga" or "andi"!!!

>Mathai

Njan
From: molly@uga.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Malayalam Song
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:52:55 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


<Sung by:	Yesudas
<Film:		No  idea.

<	kaayaanboo kaNNil vidarum kamalaDaLam kaviLil vidarum
<	anuraagavathee ninchodikaLil ninnaalippazham pozhiyum
<
<	ponnaranJaaNam bhoomikku chaartthum
<	puzhayudeyEkaantha puLinatthil
<	nin mR~DusmEratthin inDrajaalam kaNdu
<	nithyavismayavumaay nJaaniRanGi	(2)
<	sakhi nJaaniRanGi
<
<			kaayaanboo...
<	
<	ninnekkuRicchu nJaan paadiya paattin~
<	niravadhi OLanGaL Sruthiyittu
<	ninmanOraajyatthe neelakkadanbil nee
<	enteyee kaLitthONi kettiyittu	(2)
<	sakhi kettiyittu
<
<			kaayaanboo...
<
<Enjoy,
<
<Mathai
<
<

Thank You. 

Film:  Nadhi

Molly
From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Chetta vs Chetta
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:16:18 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Oct15.170115.17498@menudo.uh.edu> mece21x@elroy.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael) writes:
>How do we distinguish between Chetta (Thara Class) and Chetta (or is it
>chyettta, as we say in Thiruvananthapuram)?

How about,

'chetta' for thaRa class and 'chETTan' for elder brother?

>James, Any ideas on Transliteration recently? Get Mathai out of the mess
>before he starts justifying on the first letter of the name.
>What is the Malayalam pazhanchollu, the equivalent of "Which which things
>at what what times will happeno, those those things at that that times
>will happeney happen"?

"varaanuLLath vazheel thanGoolla!" in conversation or

"varaanuLLath vazhiyil thanGukayilla" in writing.

I hope that was what you were looking for.


Regards,

Mathai
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Ideas for ACK
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:15:36 GMT

In article <serNcPu00WB610gppM@andrew.cmu.edu> Sudha Neelakantan <sudha+@CMU.EDU> writes:
>I have it from the authority of no less a person than my dad that
>Valluvanad u<taluq speaks the purest malayalam in all of Kerala.  I
>personally must admit to knowing only of Palghat malayalam which is
>completely tamil biased and sounds vaguely threatening to boot, or the
>really weird Trivandrum dialect which is sometimes incomprehensible
>and ofcourse my homestyle familiar kottayam style malayalam.

ha! you mean to say that "pattathilla" and "parayathilla" aren't
weird?

Actually, the worst Malayalam I've heard is in "chitoor", palakadu.
I couldn't believe that it's possible to distort a language so 
badly, and that too in a place so close to the cultural center of
kerala which is...

>Sudha

Njan
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From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: An SSLC Story
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:13:00 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

My friend's friend's ..... friend is the protagonist. He went through
the unsurmountable 'pareeksha' many a time. When the last time he
flunked it he sat back, enclosed his pen in an envelope and sent it to
the examination controller. On the outside it was written,
"Here I am; surrendering with my weapon"


Mathai
From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Nos Tacemus -- Icarus
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:42:20 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <Pine.3.02.9210151949.A714-d100000@gwunix1.gwu.edu> tstpcc@gwunix1.gwu.edu (Paul C. Chemmanoor) writes:
>
>
>2] The rest of this article is about 
>	(i) Kundera and his book: The Unbearable Lightness Of Being.
>	    And the movie based on the book.
>
>	(ii) What is meant by poetic, some reflections.
>
>  ...................................................................
>  . Statutory Warning: These musings may contain highly subjective  .
>  . opinions, unsubstantiated allegations, assertions, imperatives, .
>  . subliminal erotica and other material that may be of a harmful  .
>  . nature to the extremely gullible or those under 21.             .
>  ...................................................................
>

The article was really interesting to read. I felt this article itself
to be poetic.

To write a feedback on it? "paTTiyude kayyil muzhuvan thEnGa!" That is
how I feel about it then.

In IITs they call it the "high funda" stuff. Paul, we need a little
lower funda articles, please.


Truly,

Mathai
From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Dowry: Conclusion?
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:50:13 GMT
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <1992Oct16.204154.10479@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>In article <1682@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca> rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca (RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:
>>
>>Btw, while you are at it, could you present your views on why the woman is
>> considered to be weaker than the man???
>
>how about physical strength?

The original author ( now who was it ? ) wanted to wait till the women
"became equal" to men. Now you suggest that one of the criteria is physical
strength. So, you want them to pump iron or something...??

Mahesh.
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From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Re: New Mal. movie
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:48:15 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Keywords: new movie

In article <14970@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> s910700@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Mareena Joseph) writes:
>
.
.
>  I forgot to add the movie 'PAVUM PAVUM RAJAKKUMARAN' in my previous
>movies' list. Srinivasan, Rekha, Jagadheesh, Raju, Siddhique, Mamukoya,
>etc. are acting in it. It's a good one. Directed by Kamal.

I am in the middle of seeing it for the third time. Took a small break
from the laughter to read my favorite news group. It is really nice.

 This film is
>remade in Tamil,

aa sinimayude kashtakaalam!

>MJN (Bindu).
>
Mathai

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