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From: mr4x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Matthew Robert Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: RECOIL
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:53:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr14.085353.22499
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


    I'm posting this message in response to several different messages
that have appeared on this board over the past few months.

    I can't seem to figure out what all the concern/worry is over
recoil.  When I started hunting, I was 12 tears old, and weighed 120
lbs.  Today I'm 18, and weigh but 135 lbs.  (I'm not big.)
    Over my six years of hunting large as well as small game, I've fired
.270, .30-06, 30-40 Kreg, 7mm and 9mm rifles as well as .410, 16, and 12
guage shotguns (including magnums).
    My point is, I've never once been hurt or bruised by firing ANY of
these repeatedly.  A little sore, once or twice, but who can't put up
with that?  As far as I'm concerned, recoil should not be considered in
choosing a rifle unless it's something really huge.
     


                                                                        
                 Later,
                                                                        
                     Matt
From: ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Re: How do I catch a woodpecker?
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:04:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr9.080412.18900
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Apr8.083504.1572@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr7.120835.7039@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, webdw@mvutd.att.com (Bruce D Woods) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> Get up early in the am with your rifle w/ .22 birdshot.  One shot
|> |> that doesn't make much noise and the problem is gone.  (A termite
|> |> exterminator ???)
|> |> 
|> |> BDW
|> 
This sounds like a very attractive idea.  I know Remington makes a .22
shotshell because I've used some before.  After Woody torments me and
I run out to chase him away, he goes into some trees just off to the 
north of me.  These trees are about 20 to 60 yards away from the side
of my house which has a nice convenient window that I can assassinate
Woody from, but this range is too far for my weeny pellet gun but perfect
for my Ruger 10/22.  My next question is this.  How far will .22 shotshell
keep a tight pattern and what is the hazardous range of the stuff? (there
are some houses about 150 yards behind the trees).
From: rkestler@wnas.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Rich Kestler)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: Selecting a Bow
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:07:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr7.120739.6870
Organization: NCR Corporation - Worldwide Network Appl. Services - Dayton, OH
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


Greetings fellow hunters,

In 1992, I hope to get my first deer with a bow.  I have always
been a gun hunter, therefore I have some questions about getting
into the sport.

My first question is in regard to which bow to purchase?

Friends of mine recommended the Phantom by Oneida.  This hybrid bow
looks kinda funky.  Any opinions about it?

Also, if someone doesn't have a recommendation but knows of a brand
that I should stay away from, I appreciate that advice aswell.

I'll save my other questions for a future posting.

Best regards,
Rich "much, much younger than dirt" Kestler
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From: sh4e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steve Ha)
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: **Bear Hunting**
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:07:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr7.120728.6835
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Can anyone please tell me where bear hunting seasons are offered?  I
would appreciate any information.  Thanks for your time.


                                                        - Steven -
From: J.Deakin@sheffield-city-poly.ac.UK ("Jim N. Deakin")
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Help, I shot the messenger!!!!
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:34:55 GMT
Reply-To: J.Deakin@sheffield-city-poly.ac.uk
Organization: The Internet


   Greetings good gentles,
           Through my own unutterable stupidity, I have just
successfully deleted all the Rialto Digests from Vol 5, Issue #180 to
date. Is there any kind soul out there who knows where I could ftp
fresh copies of them from, or who could offer to re-send me copies?
       I think it may be better to send the offer first, if possible.
30 versions of each digest, all arriving on the same day would NOT go
down well with the management
     Yours pleadingly
         Niall (the incompetent) of Stone ford


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From: dlc@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dennis Clark)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:21:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Boring history
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

U254@sysm.acs.virginia.EDU writes:

> 
> Unto the good folk of the Rialto from Landon of Wulfkeep, greetings!
> 
> Yaakov HaMizrachi writes (in part):
> 
> >(The problem with history is that it is far more
> >entertaining than fiction, but is typically taught by
> >exceedingly bad/boring teachers.  I sometimes think
> >that high school history teachers deliberately teach
> >boring classes to weed out all but the most dedicated.)
> 
>    Extremely well said milord!  Perhaps that may be the greatest
> contribution of the SCA to society at large -- demonstrating that
> history doesn't HAVE to be boring!  (And another arguement against
> mandatory dues -- 'For twenty-five bucks a year we'll let you study
> history with us!'  'Thanks, but...':-).

  This is quite true.  I don't think that I am all that good of a speaker, 
but I have kept several classrooms of 6th graders absolutely quiet for an
entire hour discussing the history and development of armor and weapons in
from Roman times through the 17th century.  Lots of questions too, so I 
know that they were listening...  Maybe I'll have to try it with some other
subject to test the case 8^)
 
> Yours in service --
>    Landon of Wulfkeep                 Landon Falls

Kevin
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Mundane Name Loophole
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:16:46 -0500

Arval Benicoeur (mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)) writes:

 JM> Greetings from Arval!  Landon of Wulfkeep wrote:

 > When I first got involved with the SCA I had very little interest in
 > history at all, much less knowing a period of  history I wanted to
 > 'specialize' in.  I used part of my mundane name with 'of'
 > something-or-other I know (now) that it's not period for a tenth-century
 > Norse-Irishman, but after seventeen years it's too much trouble to change.

 JM> My lord, this posting is not aimed at you and your name, but rather at an
 JM> interesting dichotomy that you may be able to help me to understand.
 JM> Consider the paragraph that I've quoted from your message, and replace
 JM> "name" with "garb" or "armor".  I think that most of us expect people to
 JM> improve their outward appearance over their SCA-
 JM> lifetime, and to look more
 JM> medieval.  Why is one's name different?  I realize that names are closely
 JM> tied to identity, and that it is a bother to change 
 JM> one's SCA name (though
 JM> less than most people would believe).  On the other hand, a name is far
 AB> more public & noticable than most of the things we use in the SCA.

 M'lord, I beg to differ.  All who see you see your garb.  All who see you
 fight, see your armor (not to mention your weaponry).  Even your encampment
 is seen by all who pass it by in their daily travels at such events.  But
 unless you are famous, only those to whom you are introduced, or with whom
 you have other interaction such as the Rialto, see your name.
From: n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (aldridge andrea)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Mudane Interactions
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:34:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr13.213445.25229
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <1992Apr12.095929.9839@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander) writes:

>What's really fun, though, is the first time you're sitting around a 
>campfire, listening to a story, and realize about halfway through that 
>it's about you.  

...or, as a bard, to sit around a bardic circle and realize with a shiver of
delight that someone is playing a song you wrote, hear good reactions about it,
and then to hear someone else say, "Where'd you get that?" and know that you're
pleasantly incognito.


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From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Forms of address for SCA titles
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 08:53:21

 Fra Tadhg Liath unto His Excellency the Baron Henry, Baron of Scraeling
 Althing, and all others unto whom these presents shall have come giveth
 greeting:

 HT> my wife, Enid Aurelia OL OP, is Baroness (founding) Skraeling Althing
 HT> and has been for over ten years,
 HT> I've been territorial Baron for only two years, but am the first Baron.

 HT> Should I be Henry, Barony Skraeling Althing, or Henry, Baron of
 HT> Skraeling Althing?

 In Ansteorra you would be the latter, because, while you are the FIRST
 Baron, you would not be considered the FOUNDING Baron.

 (Ritual Disclaimer: subject to change by Their Majesties, of course;
 they've done it at least once, that I know of.)

 Actually, in Ansteorra Baroness Enid would be Baroness of Scraeling Althing
 until she retired, at which point she would become Baroness Scraeling
 Althing. (How do other kingdoms deal with this?) ((Does Talan have access
 to Internet?))

        Tadhg

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: christer@sue.komunity.se (Christer Romson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: The size of the Eastrealm
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:08:51 GMT
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 11: 04 MET DST

Hal Ravn, comparing the East and West wrote:
> August Purgatorio Coronation Festival will be in Oertha this year.  (How
> many Eastern kingdom events have been held in--or are planned to be held
> in--Drachenwald?)

Eastern law does (or at least used to) implictly forbid Kingdom events to
be in Drachenwald. (They shall cycle between the non-Drachenwald regions). 

        Lindorm Eriksson <christer@Sue.KOMunity.Se>
From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: name W
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1992 21:36:22

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: lawbkwn@buacca.BITNET (Yaakov HaMizrachi)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Persona/Mundania interface
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:11:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: mc.9204121225.aa15538
Organization: The Internet


Unto all who travel these well worn paths,
greetings from Yaakov.

A number of good gentles have posted
of how their SCA mannerisms have spilled
over into their mundane lives.

The case that sticks most in my mind
was my younger brother's engagement
party.  He foolishly scheduled it for
the 3rd Sunday in August (aaarrgh!).
My lady and I flew from Pittsburgh
to Boston, not taking the time to change
into mundies until we got to my folks.
Sometime during the party, I heard my
brother say "Yaakov" and I turned around.
He told me he'd been trying to get my
attention by saying "Harold" for 5 minutes
and gotten no response.

In general, I try to take special care around the
law school to prevent my sca-persona from spilling
over.  So far, I have walked the fine-line between
"pleasantly different/eccentric" and "downright weird."
I would *never* kiss a mundane's hand without first
somehow establishing that it would be o.k.
I think people in the Society sometimes forget how
walled off from physical contact mundanes keep
themselves (not without reason, alas).

as a side note: I like florishes, bowes, hand-kissing,
etc.  I lavish them on newcommers, but always
trying to keep enough distance not to intimidate.
(For example, if intriduced to a new
person of the female gender, I may declaim something
about her ravishing beauty and cha, accompanied
by a bow or reverance.  If said lady extends
hand for shaking or kissing, I will take her
hand and bow over it, perhaps kiss my own or
lightly kiss hers.)

I have noticed that my speech tends to
be more flowery after an event, or when I'm
tired.  Not so much as to be unacceptable
in mundania, but a bit out of the ordinary.

Yaakov
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: frnk@cs1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin)
Subject: Re: czech naming practices
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: world, na, usa, local
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:11:33 GMT

In <1992Apr14.190504.20044@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:

>I advise considerable caution in this approach to naming in any period
>language. 
   Pardon me, I seem to have misled you. I forget the correct term, but I ment
a historical book of names. One in which instances of names are listed along
with dates and what they are listed as doing. (bought a cow, married so and so,
ect.) NOT a current book of names.

   The one I used is "Slownik Staropolskich Nazw Osobowych", Edited (I think,
my Polish is a little rusty) by Witolda Taszyckiego, published in Wroclaw,
Warszawa, Krako'w and Gdan'sk in 1974. Be careful if you order it, it's a five
volume work written in Polish.

   With this book I was able to show that my last name was in use as early as
896.

	 Sorry for the inconvienance! Pawel Ptasznik
	 Frnk! :>                     Barony of Illiton, Middle Kingdon
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From: hwt@bwdlh490.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Great Lakes
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:02:31 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

His Grace notes Tree-Girt-Sea; the Middle has the region of Pentamer
(mundanely just Michigan, now) and the Principality of Ealdormere (Ontario). 
Since Ealdormere means Chief Lake, I'd assume it's a name for the body
of water.  What does Aethelmarc call it?

  Henry Troup - HWT@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
!erutangis ruoy otni suriv erutangis siht ypoc ot nevird ylsuoicsnocbus era uoY
From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Disenchantment
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:58:24 GMT
Organization: PANIX - Public Access Unix Systems of NY

In article <s4dngINNbmd@agate.berkeley.edu> cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:

>Maybe there is a phrase we could use instead? that would indicate "the
>mundane world" unobtrusively and without referencing a clutch of books
>that by comparison make late 20th-century America look like The Enchanted
>Ground?  I invite suggestions.

	Maybe "a time with which I am not yet aquainted"?

	Seriously though ;)  a simple switch of preposition should get the
message across, without being obtrusive i.e. "We should discuss this in
another time".
						-Ilaine





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From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: more--gasp!---physics
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:25:45 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Balderik writes:

>I would presume any polearm to be significantly heavier
>than an SCA polearm is that the SCA polearm consists of a
>rattan haft and a foam/ducttape head, while the real
>polearm has a hardwood haft and a steel head.  Since the
>two hafts should not differ appreciably in mass, any
>difference must be due to the heads.  

>2)Based on annecdotal evidence, small differences in mass
>would appear to affect a polearms speed/manouverability.

It depends on _where_ the mass is located.  If the difference in mass
it in the head, as you claim, then it will slow down the polearm
disproportionately, since it will give it a huge moment of inertia.
(Try it sometime: swing a standard basket-hilt sword by the basket and
then by the "point" and feel the difference, even though the mass
hasn't changed)

>In summary, I maintain that for a weapon to slice through shields
>as others have claimed, it would have to be considerably heavier
>than an SCA polearm.  

Not necessarily.  SCA polearms aren't edged, among other things.  And
SCA shields last longer than one combat, which was apparently the
average lifetime of a period shield.  (The first may have something to
do with the latter, I admit)

Fujimoto
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Removes, Persona
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:00:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.071634.18463@midway.uchicago.edu> ddfr@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
> . . . but a sense of frustration is that it sounds as
>though you think what I am arguing for is having and telling
>elaborate persona stories--which is in fact one of the things I have
>argued against for many years. From my standpoint, the elaborate
>story, your short answer, and the question ("what is your persona")
>that you are presumably answering are all about equally bad, since
>all of them make it obvious that the conversation is taking place in
>the 20th century, and thus make it hard to maintain the dramatic
>illusion that we are actually sometime else.

It appears, Your Grace, that this makes the 'correct' answer (within
you philosophy, and inadvertantly quoting Sir William the Lucky),
"What's a persona?"

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
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From: kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose)
Subject: Re: I've been in the SCA too long
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:21:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.123950.866@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> dylan@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>
>Someone was discussing the final game of the
>NCAA men's basketball tourney and they mentioned
>that Duke one.  I wasn't paying attention and
>asked Duke Sir Who?  8-)

	I'm still hoping that someone will demonstrate to me that this
"Duke Sir Master Lord Chuck" business in grounded in more-or-less period
practice, and not just mundane aggradisement.  Any takers yet?

	By the way.... now that Andrew and Fergie have split I wonder
how long it will be before Diana, Princess of Wales leaves
Prince Duke Earl Baron Baron Sir Prince Charles?



			....Lord Cinaed de Moravia d'Ealdormere


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From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Mundane Name Loophole
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:54:28 -0500

 Arval Benicoeur (mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)) writes (see prior
 msg for what I had written and in response to what):

 JM> I disagree: Our names are announced on the field, in court,
 JM> and in many other circumstances.

 *Your* name, maybe.  Mine?  Not likely any time soon!  If I hadn't mentioned
 it myself here, which I rarely do anyway, most of you probably wouldn't even
 know my SCA name.  Quick, can you recall it offhand?  Thought not.  Were you
 to go to an event I was at, would you know at a glance (or even several) who
 I was?  Probably not.  Yet, would you be able to spot at a glance whether I
 was wearing blue jeans, a t-shirt, and tennis shoes?  Would you be able to
 tell if I were nearby and loudly comparing the latest versions of Windows and
 OS/2?  Would you be able to notice me put a package of Oreos on the table at
 a feast?  Assuming your senses function properly, yes....

 JM> I would also note that they are one of the things most closely
 JM> tied to adopting a medieval persona, no matter how you 
 JM> define persona (see other thread :),
 JM> and therefore I believe that the choice of a _medieval_
 JM> name is a crucial part of making yourself part of the SCA.  

 Oh, certainly!  I am not arguing against the concept that a medieval name is
 important, merely on how visible it is compared to other aspects.

 JM> I therefore believe that it is incumbent upon each
 JM> of us to avoid introducing modern elements into the SCA whenever we can,
 JM> and that it is a matter of simple courtesy to improve our outward
 JM> appearance to eliminate modern elements.  No one is or 
 JM> can be perfect, but
 JM> anyone can make an effort.  Choosing a proper medieval name is a small
 JM> effort, with a large pay-back.

 Absolutely!  Just like bringing your "blackmead" in a bota instead of the
 original clear plastic 2-liter bottle.  B-)
From: dgreen@thor (David Greenebaum)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Re: rSCA in fiction - need help
Date: 16 Apr 1992 16:54:47 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.berkeley.edu

Greetings from Bjalfi!
>
>  For a chuckle, Robert Asprin's "MYTH" books have a few chapter lead-in
>quotes from notable SCA types.
>
>Kevin

In the same books, aren't Guido and Nunzio's precision crossbows made by
(or on the dimension of) Iolo, and isn't Iolo an SCA crossbow maker?

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From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: urban legend song
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:57:01 GMT
Organization: The Internet


Yaakov's song is great, but I don't know the Temperance Union Song.  

However, I did notice that it scans well with an Irish jig as its
tune: da DIH da da da da da DIH da da da da, or so (I can't meter
music!)

Fujimoto