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/ hpihoah:rec.games.go / tcasey@adobe.com (Tim Casey) / 12:05 pm  Nov 10, 1992 /
In article <765286d7868208t9@anton.infoserv.com> anton@anton.infoserv.com (Anton Dovydaitis) writes:
>You can now play GO interactively online with other players on
>The Sierra Network.  I know this doesn't impress IGS users, but
>it will reach a lot of beginners.  TSN is cheap, and they plan
>on offering a lot of interesting promotions, including online
>lessons and simultaneous exhibitions with professionals.

>There is no kibitzing on the Sierra Go thing.  One also has to ask
>permission to observe a game, rather bothersome for both the players
>and observers.  This is just what I have *read*.  I have yet to
>actually play on TSN.  I would like to hear more though.
>
>tim

I've been playing on TSN for a week now, and it's pretty nice.  The interface
is all point and click, so asking permission is not a problem.  The players
can also kick out a watcher at any time (say if he starts offering suggestions).
ANything the watcher says is visible to both players, so he can't help one
player without the other knowing, like on IGS.  Rather than agree on dead
groups, the players must agree on territory, but you can drag the mouse to 
mark territory quickly - it's much less painful than entering dead groups
coordinates like IGS.  I haven't found any other Dan level players there
yet, but there are several 6-7 Kyu, and a bunch of 10-15 kyus.  The new
version of TSN that included Go is still a little buggy.  Sometimes it
drops players off without notice.  It's only $12.95 per month for 30 hours
of playing time.  Call 1-800-SIERRA1 to sign up.  The first 3 hours are
free so you can try it out without obligation.  They also have checkers,
chess, hearts, bridge, othello, cribbage, miniature golf, a flying dogfight
game, a dungeons and dragons role playing game, and all popular casino games.
I'd love to have some other Dan players join.

David Fotland 3 Dan.

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Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Date: Thu,  5 Nov 1992 14:18:14 -0500 
From: Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Players near Johnstown PA

If you are a player in Johnstown Pennsylvania or StateCollege or the
surrounding areas,  Greg Rys would like to hear from you.  He plays go,
lives in Johnstown, and visits State College occassionally.

Greg Rys's phone number is 814 255 2486

Thanks, Fred Hansen

(PS.  Don't bother to call me.  Please.)
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: GO on The Sierra Network
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:49:57 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <765290d7683010t12@anton.infoserv.com> "Anton Dovydaitis" <anton@anton.infoserv.com> writes:
>I'll be working with them to help improve and promote it.  The version
>they're shipping is not perfect, but it's a start.  I intend to go there
>just to teach new players.  Also, if they hold tournaments, at least
>initially there probably won't be that many strong players.  And if they
>get the professional thing worked out, it could be good.
>
>IGS can't pay for Pros to play online, but The Sierra Network can
>and will.
>

I hope Sierra Network would be an alternative to IGS, rather that a
replacement. I don't want IGS to die. For us poor students, IGS is the
only place we can play go for fun without worrying about our pockets.:-)
Futhermore, it is reasonable to expect connection fee goes up if Sierra
Network pay pros. Or is Sierra going to adopt the policy that whoever
loses a game pays the connection fee? The games would smell bloody.

bn 2k
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: GO on The Sierra Network
From: ioffe@chen.bgu.ac.il (Alex Ioffe)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:16:55 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

anton@anton.infoserv.com ("Anton Dovydaitis") writes:
: I'll be working with them to help improve and promote it.  The version
: they're shipping is not perfect, but it's a start.  I intend to go there
: just to teach new players.  Also, if they hold tournaments, at least
: initially there probably won't be that many strong players.  And if they
: get the professional thing worked out, it could be good.
:
: IGS can't pay for Pros to play online, but The Sierra Network can
: and will.
:
: Anton
:
: ---
: ---------------------------------------------------------------
:
: Anton Dovydaitis
: Ishi Press International

Which way is TSN accessible? Via Telnet or Modem?
May you post it's coordinates.

Newsgroups: rec.games.go
From: tcasey@adobe.com (Tim Casey)
Subject: Re: Building the GO Community
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:06:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.110944.25014@klaava.Helsinki.FI> cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand) writes:
>I tried to mail the following directly to Anton, but it bounced, so I'm
>posting it instead.
>
>=================
>
>In article <765286d7841063t8@anton.infoserv.com> you write:
>>3)  I'd like a document about how to access IGS.  Right now, I don't
>>    have ftp access, so I can't learn by experience.  But I'd like
>>    to spread the good news.  I understand there are a lot of front ends
>>    for the IGS, and I'd like to know bout these too.
>
>At the end I've included the Go FAQ, which includes two short-ish
>paragraphs on the IGS. jansteen@cwi.nl has compiled a more comprehensive
>manual on the IGS, but I couldn't find it - maybe you'd like to mail
>him.
>

I have that manual, I believe.  Jansteen did a good job.  I have to update
it for some things that have been added.  But I have it.

tim
From: akarppin@saha.fmi.fi (Ari Karppinen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: oza 92
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:47:00 GMT
Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute

In article <16899C17D.I0060301@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de>, I0060301@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Klaus Blumberg) writes:
|> i just browsed thru the 'go-moon 27' (an english go-journal published
|> in the netherlands) and foung that shuko has lost the first game of
|> this years oza. i seem to remember that in the 'news from japan - october'
|> there was said 'kobayashi lost 2 games'. (i can't check, see ealier posting
|> of mine). who's right???? what's going on????
|>  
|> Klaus Blumberg, Braunschweig, Germany
|> Bitnet: i0060301@dbstu1, Internet: i0060301@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de
|> On the Internet Go Server: gandalf, 1st kyu

.. October Go News said ' Fujisawa has triumphed in two of the first three games'
so it seems tht Shuko lost the first and won the next 2 matches.

Ari Karppinen, 2 D
email:akarppin@bore.fmi.fi
From: jhughson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JR Hughson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Building the go community (fwd)
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:25:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: bottom.9211071825.AA09496
Organization: The Ohio State University
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]


I tried to mail this to Anot direct as well but it bounced.  So this
will server two purposes,  It will announce our new club in Columbus OH
and It will Give Anton the information he requested.

>
>1)  If you're interested in starting a GO club, contact me.  I can
>    send you mailing labels for GO players in your area.  I may also
>    be able to hook you to a game store that sells GO books and
>    equipment for some limited sponsorship (mailings, tournament
>    prizes and such).

We started a go club.  Here we "GO"!  We have 5 members.  We have are 
a chapter of the aga.  We have a toy store that is sponsoring us.
(they paid for aga).  We are interested in any support we can get from
ISHI.  We have had 5 meetings.  We meet on thursday nights at 6:30 pm until
about 10:00pm.

>    	
>1)  If you know of any GO clubs that are not on the Ishi Press list
>    (in the archives somewhere, ask), write me.  I like to keep my
>    club lists as up to date as possible, so I can direct new players
>    to them.
>
Here We GO!
Every Thursday Night
Columbus OH
1715 Shrock Rd.
Columbus OH 

President:
Jeff Oxenreider.
PR contact:
J.R. Hughson
4632 Eastway Ct. apt 'A'
Columbus OH 43213
(614)-759-6952
jhughson@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

thanks 

J.R. Hughson
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Blitz tourney
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:41:35 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

The IGS Blitz tournament is off until further notice.


Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Bitnet: lipscoja@vuctrvax)
Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.
From: jlzhong@uirvld.csl.uiuc.edu (Jialin Zhong)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: The Mysteries of Weiqi (part 4)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 16:45:34 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: uirvld.csl.uiuc.edu

yychen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Youyi Chen) writes:

>I notice two typos right after I send out my part 4.

>In article <BxMyz1.A98@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> yychen@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Youyi Chen) writes:
>>...
>>The number 3 golden rule by the ancient legend Ji-Xing Wang is:
>>...

>Ji-Xing Wang should be Ji-Xin Wang.

>>...
>>Pu-Liu Zhong [13P], (Song Dynasty, 960 - 1279) 
>>(actually, North Song, around 1078 and who Jialin Zhong may say is 
>>...

I was wondering who was this Zhong, Pu-Liu guy myself, whom I never heard of.
There are only a handful of Zhong's in China. I guess I am the best go player
among Zhong's :-). Besides, if you know Chinese, Zhong, Pu-Liu means "not bad,
not good". I would say Zhong, Pu-Liu can only be a so-so player (a 6d on igs?).
He can't be a 13p :-).

Jialin Zhong

>Pu-Liu Zhong should be Zhong-Pu Liu whose last name is Liu which has
>nothing to do with "Zhong".
>Terrible to sorry to Jialin :-)


>Youyi
--
Jialin Zhong		    *   /  l    l        l   l  *    ---O--O--O--O---
1614 Beckman Institute	    *  / l-l-l -l-l l-l -l- -l- *   /--*--*--*--O--O
Urbana, IL 61801	    * /l l-l-l /  l l-l /l\ /l\ *  /--/--*--/--*--O
jlzhong@uirvld.csl.uiuc.edu */ l   l  /  \l    / l X l \* /--/--/--/--/--/
From: kinne@oswego.Oswego.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Go History Books...
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:51:13 GMT
Reply-To: kinne@oswego.Oswego.EDU ()
Organization: Instructional Computing Center, SUNY at Oswego, Oswego, NY
Originator: kinne@penelope.oswego.edu

Folks:
	I am wondering if anyone knows of any English books written
about the history of the game Go.  While I am learning how to play
the game, at this point I have ample titles to choose from
concerning tactics and strategy.  I am interested in how the game
developed in the social contexts of Japan.  I know that at one time
there were several schools for Go in Japan and that they were
disolved by the Emperor some time ago, but I know no details beyond
that.  I am also interested in what context the game is played today
not only in Japan, but in the rest of the world as well.  Is there
a World Go Champion, or someone who is recognized as the best in the
world?  Is there any organization that grants international titles
or controls the game from an international viewpoint (much as
FIDE does for Chess)?
	Any pointers as to where I could research such information
(in English, unfortunately) would be very much appreciated.
  
				Doc Kinne
				kinnerc@snymorva.BITNET
From: nick@idacrd.UUCP (Nick Patterson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Info on pro game wanted.
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:00:03 GMT
Organization: idacrd, princeton, nj

I am trying to track down a pro. game.  It may have appeared 
in Go World some time ago.

In this game, one player (say W) got a dead group in the 
top right corner.  It was dead by Bent 4.

However the surrounding huge B group had no eyes.  So B would eventually
have to take W off the board.

In Yose, B had to go round the board playing on dame points to
remove all possible ko threats from W!

Maybe the players were Cho and Kato.  

If anybody remembers this striking game, I would be grateful for 
a reference, or better yet the moves!

Nick Patterson

nick@ccr-p.ida.org
From: jlzhong@focus.csl.uiuc.edu (Jialin Zhong)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: Help needed for gs039 GO Servant
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:50:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: roundup.1dbjd5INNeo0
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: focus.csl.uiuc.edu

129.83.161.10 (H. Chao) writes:

>GoServant (gs039) is an application which provides a convenient user
>interface for the Internet Go Servers.   However, you must actually have
>the communications toolbox AND one or more "connection tools" to go with
>it! 

>Could anyone tell me where and how to get Rcommunications toolbox R and
>"connection tools" ?  Thanks. 

Let me know also.

--
Jialin Zhong		    *   /  l    l        l   l  *    ---O--O--O--O---
1614 Beckman Institute	    *  / l-l-l -l-l l-l -l- -l- *   /--*--*--*--O--O
Urbana, IL 61801	    * /l l-l-l /  l l-l /l\ /l\ *  /--/--*--/--*--O
jlzhong@uirvld.csl.uiuc.edu */ l   l  /  \l    / l X l \* /--/--/--/--/--/
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
From: bate@silver.cs.umanitoba.ca (John Bate)
Subject: Comm Tools for GoServant
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:47:13 GMT

n a recent posting, H. Chao requested information regarding the communications
toolbox and the connection tools required for optimum use of my program
"GoServant" (A Macintosh interface to the Internet Go Servers). However, the
posting did not contain an email address in any form that my mailer will
accept. I will send that information to Mr. Chao or anyone else who nees it,
if you send me a request with your email address in it. -John Bate

Newsgroups: rec.games.go
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Large and small, a problem in a go game
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:16:40 GMT


 This is taken from a game I played on IGS. I played black and it is
black to move. There are two places I like to play: a or b. The question
is: which one is larger? I played b, but I prefer a now -- partially
because I don't know how to handle the upper-right corner after white
played c. Shall black play K17 if white play c?  c is dreadful to me.
Another reason I like a is that I want to give some pressure
on upper left white stones. But are the two b stones on right side light
enough that wouldn't be my burden later?



    A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T 
19 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 19
18 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 18
17 |. . . # . . . . . . a c . . . . # . .| 17 
16 |. . # + O . O . . + . . . # . # . O .| 16
15 |. . . # # O . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 15
14 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . .| 14 
13 |. . . # . O . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 13
12 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . .| 12
11 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 11 
10 |. . . # . . . . . + . . . . . # . . .| 10
 9 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  9
 8 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  8 
 7 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . # . .|  7 
 6 |. . # # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  6 
 5 |. . O # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  5
 4 |. . O + . . . . . + . . . . O + O . .|  4 
 3 |. . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  3 
 2 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  2
 1 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  1
    A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T 

BTW, the above position was obtained by :

    A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T 
19 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 19
18 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 18
17 |. . . # . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . .| 17 
16 |. . # + O . O . . + . . . 6 . # . 7 .| 16
15 |. . . # # O . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 15
14 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . 1 . .| 14 
13 |. . . # . O . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 13
12 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . .| 12
11 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 11 
10 |. . . # . . . . . + . . . . . 2 . . .| 10
 9 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  9
 8 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  8 
 7 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . .|  7 
 6 |. . # # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  6 
 5 |. . O # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  5
 4 |. . O + . . . . . + . . . . 3 + O . .|  4 
 3 |. . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  3 
 2 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  2
 1 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|  1
    A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T 

 I appreciate your comments greatly.

bn 2k
Date: Friday, 6 November 1992 21:23:41 PDT
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.06
From: "Anton Dovydaitis" <anton@anton.infoserv.com>
Organization: Ishi Press International
Subject: Re: Players near Johnstown PA
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Distribution: world

In <EeyLBqm00gpmQt6Z0s@cs.cmu.edu>, Wilfred.Hansen@cs.cmu.edu wrote:
> 
> If you are a player in Johnstown Pennsylvania or StateCollege or the
> surrounding areas,  Greg Rys would like to hear from you.  He plays go,
> lives in Johnstown, and visits State College occassionally.
> 
> Greg Rys's phone number is 814 255 2486
> 
> Thanks, Fred Hansen
> 
> (PS.  Don't bother to call me.  Please.)

Hi Fred!

If Greg is interested in starting a club there, I can send him labels
from the Ishi Press mailing list in his area.  Have him get in touch
with me.

Anton

---
---------------------------------------------------------------

Anton Dovydaitis
Ishi Press International
From: jansteen@cwi.nl (Jan van der Steen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: IGS client for AtariST
Keywords: IGS, igc client, AtariST
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:59:08 GMT




		  STIGC-1.0 client for ATARI ST
	    Geert-Jan van Opdorp and Jan van der Steen
	       (Based on igc 0.50 by Adrian Mariano)


This is the first, and fully operational release of an IGS client for
the Atari ST computers (both monochrome and color).
Amongst others it supports the mouse, uses graphics to show the board,
supports input line editing/history, "tell completion" and separate
(scrolling) curses windows for match, connect/disconnect and kibitz/tell
messages. The program uses distinctive sounds to notify you about tell
events (addressed to you), new games and moves/kibitz's.

Both the source and executable of the program are available by
anonymous ftp:

	Continent:	USA
	ftp:		ftp.u.washington.edu
	dir:		public/go/prog
	file:		stigcbin.zoo
	size:		38798
	file:		stigcsrc.zoo
	size:		71912

	Continent:	Europe
	ftp:		sun4nl.nluug.nl
	dir:		pub/games/go/stigc
	file:		stigcbin.zoo
	size:		38798
	file:		stigcsrc.zoo
	size:		71912

BTW  While you're there, you could decide to pick up stmgt.zoo
     (47760 bytes) as well. It's the mgt-2.0 program by Greg Hale
     which you can use to replay SGF files (the files being send
     to you by IGS). The program runs on both B/W and color AtariST.
     It's in the same directory (public/go/prog).

Jan van der Steen

-- 
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
     Jan van der Steen                 jansteen@cwi.nl
     Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science (CWI)
     Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands
From: job@shusaku.escape.de (Joachim Beggerow)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Organization: ESCAPE
Subject: Re: Honinbo title
Keywords: Honinbo
Summary: Who's got it?
Reply-To: job@shusaku.escape.de
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 19:41:36 MET

In <scoughla.1.720983385@kilcom1.ucis.dal.ca>, Steven Coughlan writes:
>The last issue of Go World said that Kobayashi was the challenger for the 
>Honinbo, and won the first three games.  That was back in the spring - does 
>anyone know what happened?  Did Cho fight back from 3-0 again, or has 
>Kobayashi finally completed his grand slam?

As anyone expected (because Cho was 3 Games behind and he usually wins
such matches :-)) Cho managed to take the next 4 Games and defeated his
title.
-- 
                        |  "The clam shells are heavy today."
Joachim Beggerow        |  Kajiwara Takeo, then 7-dan, muttered this after
job@shusaku.escape.de   |  he played four stones during a whole day.
Date: Tuesday, 10 November 1992 21:03:31 PDT
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.06
From: "Anton Dovydaitis" <anton@anton.infoserv.com>
Organization: Ishi Press International
Subject: Re: anton's address
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Distribution: world

In <matbepx.721172649@gsusgi1.gsu.edu>, matbepx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Bob E. Peatman)  wrote:
> 
> I just had mail bounce to Anton too. What address can we address mail
> to.              
>                                      -Bob 

Apparently it's anton@infoserv.com.  Don't ask me why, I'm new to this
stuff.

Anton

---
---------------------------------------------------------------

Anton Dovydaitis
Ishi Press International
From: jlzhong@focus.csl.uiuc.edu (Jialin Zhong)
Newsgroups: rec.games.go
Subject: Re: Help needed for gs039 GO Servant
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:15:46 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: focus.csl.uiuc.edu

Here is what I received from Greg Hale :).  I am obliged to post it here.

*************************************************

ftp 130.43.2.3 (this is apple)

cd dts/mac/netcomm

the file you want is 'commtoolbox-1-1-image.hqx*'

post this to rec.games.go if you wish.

*************************************************
--
Jialin Zhong		    *   /  l    l        l   l  *    ---O--O--O--O---
1614 Beckman Institute	    *  / l-l-l -l-l l-l -l- -l- *   /--*--*--*--O--O
Urbana, IL 61801	    * /l l-l-l /  l l-l /l\ /l\ *  /--/--*--/--*--O
jlzhong@uirvld.csl.uiuc.edu */ l   l  /  \l    / l X l \* /--/--/--/--/--/