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From: mwalters@news.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Canada camping
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:14:19 GMT
Organization: University of Wyoming - Laramie, WY

My wife and I will be traveling to Canada to the Baniff and
Jasper areas.  We will be there the last two weeks in September.

Any suggestions on campgrounds for tent camping, temperatures at
night, safety issues and must places to see would be appreciated.

Michael Walters
MWalters@corral.uwyo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: dumic@cc.swarthmore.edu (Mark J. Dumic)
Subject: Info on Azores Wanted
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Swarthmore College
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:04:33 GMT

I'm planning  a two week trip to the Azores for next June and would like to
hear from anyone whose been there.  Which of the nine islands are
recommended?  My wife and I are mainly interested in nice scenery and
natural attractions and taking leisurely day trips.  We will be arriving on
Sao Miguel but will probably want to see some of the other islands. 
Recommendations on modest accommodations and on inter-island travel
especially welcome.  Has anyone rented a car?  If so, is it expensive?
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta)
Subject: Re: Tahiti- which Island?
Organization: Stanford School of Medicine
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:52:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.154302.12167@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM> kraus@.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Dave Kraus) writes:
>
>I am thinking about taking my wife to Tahiti this spring. There are a lot
>of Islands in that general area and I was wondering if anyone had some
>personal experiences so that they could recommend a specific
>Island as the best.
>
>I've been told that Bora Bora is the best, does anyone second this?
>
>I'm also interested in Island accessibility, accomodations, and restaurants
>if you've been there.


Don't spend too much time figuring out what island is the best. Bora Bora is,
hands down. 

That said, prepare yourself for some shocks. There are 2 decent hotels in Bora
Bora and one Club Med under construction. The average per night room runs
about $500. But in fact if you really want to enjoy yourself, get what they
call an "overwater bungalow" and that will run you about $600/night.

Out of the two hotels (Bora Bora and Moana Beach), I strongly recommend the
latter. Wherever you are in Tahiti and regardless of how much you are paying,
do not expect great service from the staff. They have none of the western
rush for things (understandably so, I may add).

There is great food in Bora Bora but, again, expect to spend about $100 per
day (for 2) in food. Activities are also expensive. The restaurants at the
good hotels are the best. Normally French chefs run things.

The island of Tahiti is OK but don't spend too much time in it, it's crowded
and not as pretty. Moorea is a good second choice after Bora Bora. Neither
will be a whole lot less expensive.

Will you save if you use a "package" from a Travel Agent? Yes, a little on
Air fare (especially inter-island) and ZERO on hotels. There are no discounts
on hotel rates (especially in Bora Bora). The competition is null and the
demand far outstrips the offer.

Refrain from "3 islands in 4 nights" packages. Tahiti is not to be enjoyed
that way.

Major warning: Forget what your travel agent says and RECONFIRM your
hotel accommodations yourself on the phone!. This is the one
major snag with some hotels there. I have heard this complaint often.

Average budget for 7 nights/8days from the West Coast for two people: $6 to 7K.
IMO: worth every penny and more. There is no other place in this world like
Bora Bora.
-- 
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air
From: grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo)
Subject: Lodging in Costa Rica
Organization: Philips Semiconductors, The Netherlands 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:12:24 GMT

Hi,
   Young couple will be traveling to San Jose, Costa Rica around 17 December,
   can anybody please recommend a lodging? a pension or a hotel in a decent
   area. Price information (approx.) would be welcome.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: J.Newman@icarus.curtin.edu.au (John Newman)
Subject: Re: Phuket
Organization: Computing Centre, Curtin University, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 06:38:20 GMT

In article 
writes:>From: alan@bali.co.uk (Alan Lear)
>Subject: Phuket
>
>I'm thinking about spending Xmas on a hot, sunny island, rather than 
>miserable England.
>
>I'm considering Phuket. Has anyone been to this Thai island?
>
>What is the weather like in December? 
>Where is the best area to stay?
>Is the nightlife good?
>Or does anyone have a better idea of a good exotic place for a Xmas break?

Phuket:
Good place for a sunny holiday. The weather is hot and somewhat 
humid. Lots of beaches. Some night life in tourist areas.

If you want a culturally rich environment with warm weather,
some good beaches and a little night life, try Bali.
For non-stop night life, try Hong Kong. (May be a little too cool
for you in December.)


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Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: arevalo@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Another question...
Reply-To: arevalo@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 08:27:56 GMT

Thanks to everyone who replied to my last post. I have some more
questions.

#1 Is there a book or guide to youth hostels in Europe (England, Scotland,
   and France)??

#2 How much does it usually cost to stay in one. 

#3 Should I bring soap and tioletries with me to Europe?

#4 What the least expensive way to get from England to Spain?

#5 Should I exchange currency in a bank or other place?

#6 I've heard terrible things about food in England. What is
   good to eat? Besides McDonalds.....

#7 What do I need to bring (anything) when staying in a hostel?

#8 What's the weather in England, Spain, and France like in
   November? Should I bring sweaters and winter stuff??

Thanks

Bill
Xref: sparky rec.travel:13077 rec.travel.air:4509 misc.forsale:25848 ne.forsale:3983
From: scott@aimhi.enet.dec.com (Carole SCott)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air,misc.forsale,ne.forsale
Subject: WANTED: Tickets 9/12 for BOS>->SanFran (or close by) and San Fran > BOS
Keywords: Boston, airplane, tickets, San Francisco, San Jose
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:54:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



I am looking for 1 way tickets or RT tickets that I can take off someones
hands for a reasonable price (cheap?) we can negotiate, check with the 
airline if ticket date can be changed for a fee:

Wanted for:

9/12   Boston             to          San Francisco or San Jose or close by

9/16  San Fran or San Jose  to        BOSTON


Reply to this message or call:

Carole   603-673-9327 evenings
	 603-884-4303 x7126  Daytime.
From: hrvoje@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Hecimovic)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Cambridge
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:48:57 GMT
Distribution: rec.travel
Organization: Edinburgh University



I'll be in Cambridge for one day only. Is something there a must to see,
because, I know that I wouldn't be able to see everything. Is there any
guide tours?

Thanks, Hrvoje
Xref: sparky rec.travel:13156 rec.backcountry:7087
From: elwood@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Elisha Polomski)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.backcountry
Subject: Eureka Dunes(near Death Valley)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 18:24:31 GMT
Organization: Space Science Labs
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Eureka Dunes, Death Valley

I have the opportunity to camp in Eureka Dunes on
Columbus day weekend(oct. 10th).
This is down near Death Valley.

What is the area like? What kind of weather/temperatures
can I expect? What kinds of plants/critters?

I hear its quite beautiful, with 700 ft. dunes, but I don't know
much more.

-thanks,
Elisha(elwood@cea.berkeley.edu)
From: D.F.White@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: India/Nepal/Kashmir - info needed
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:58:45 GMT
Reply-To: D.F.White@lut.ac.uk (Dave White)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

on the current state of affairs regarding visa extensions, is it still necessary to show currency exchange vouchers and if so to what daily value. For trekking
permits is it also still necessary to show currency exchange vouchers and can you now show the same vouchers for both. As it may be  a very beaurocraticaly
expensive place to visit still, did anyone find a way round it, has anyone left
with a visa expired,. Has it maybe gone back to the old way when trekking permits are your long stay visa? What is the current black market exchange rate?
Thanks in anticipation for your help.  For the netter who asked whether Kashmir
is safe, of course its safe! safe as India ever is.
From: pete@gamma.nsc.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: <<<<<RT Boston-San Jose TICKET FOR SALE>>>>>
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:57:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Originator: pete@gamma.nsc.com

From: pete@galaxy.nsc.com ()
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: <<<<RT Boston-San Jose TICKET FOR SALE>>>>>>
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara
Keywords:airline, ticket, sale, Boston, San Jose, SJ 

Hello all,

I have a plane ticket for a flight from Boston's Logan Airport to San Jose Intl.
for the Thanksgiving holiday.  The ticket was purchased during the period of
low fares for $357, however, I'll take $300 or whatever is reasonable.
The ticket has a female's name on it and cannot be changed.  If you want to 
change the dates on it, however, there is a $25 fee that goes along with it
plus any applicable fare difference.

Flight info are as follows:

Departs Boston Tuesday 11/24  10:10AM  connects in Chicago at 12:30 arriving in
San Jose at 2:39PM.

Returns on Sunday 11/29 8AM from SAN FRANCISCO non-stop to Boston arriving in
Boston at 4:23PM.

Anyone interested or know of anyone who may be interested, please e-mail me.

e-mail address-->  pete@galaxy.nsc.com

Thanks. 

Pete
From: pow@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Charley Pow)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: London Zoo
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:22:35 GMT
Reply-To: pow@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California

In article <1992Sep2.115601.26593@city.cs>, simon@cs.city.ac.uk (Simon Brock-Gunn) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.141843.1505@Princeton.EDU> q0239@whereis.Princeton.EDU
>(Peter A. Olenick) writes:
>>We will be taking our first visit to London in September.   One of the
>>places we were looking forward to visiting was the London Zoo.  I hear
>>the zoo is about to close.  Can some one confirm this.
>
>The latest plan is that the zoo will close down for good on 30 September.
>Most of the animals will be redistributed around other zoos, etc., and the
>rest will be destroyed.
>
>The organization that runs the zoo has officially given up trying to raise
>money to save it, but there are all sorts of rumours that it may be taken
>over and converted into more of a theme park, with the antiquated
>facilities for large numbers of animals being replaced by modern
>suroundings for just a few species.
>
>Whatever happens, it looks like this is the last month you'll be able to
>see London Zoo in its present form.
>
There should be a pair of pandas at the London zoo.  Two weeks ago, the 
panda at the Berlin zoo was visiting the London zoo for mating.  

Charley Pow
Xref: sparky rec.travel:13184 soc.culture.usa:7273
From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists.
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:58:17 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Sep9.011205.14237@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt ) writes:

>In article <1992Aug31.134741.13471@sinix.UUCP> ian@sinix.UUCP (Ian Malone) writes:
IM:more Americans travel

VB:I can't stop laughing.  What utter nonsense.  How long since you went back
VB:home?  Care to check out some statistics?  Number of trips abroad per capita?
VB:I think you'll find that Germans, for instance, travel 4 to 5 times (no exact
VB:numbers in my brain today :-) more than the average US consumer.  Abroad, that
VB:is.

Please check your reading comprehension, it  may be due for an overhaul.

Ian specifically said travel, not travel abroad.  There is a very big
difference.  Here in the States you can easily travel 2000 to 3000 miles
(3000 to 5000 km (?)) and still not have travelled abroad.  How many
Europeans can say that.  Some of those countries are so small you need a
tourist visa to fall down.

BTW if you think that by travelling within the US we are not exposed to
different cultures, you have probably been watching too much of our
television.

VB:Apparently, you don't open your eyes to see.  Sure it's nice to go out and 
VB:buy two sixpacks, a video tape and a canary from the big supermarket next door
VB:at three in the morning.  But think of the black single mother who has to 
VB:stand at the register all night, for minimum wages ... two sides to every coin.

Another cultural blinder I guess.  In my area, most of those clerks are high
school and college students.
BTW, I suppose you believe staying at home on welfare is better than working
at a less than desirable job.

-- 
--Mark
My opinions are mine, all mine.  Unless someone else claims them first.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: afd@bellcore.com (Alex F. Dietz)
Subject: South Pacific info requested
Reply-To: afd@bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 16:27:26 GMT


I'm planning a trip early next year and have 4-6 weeks set aside to see
the south pacific islands.  Standard questions, so any info would be
really helpful.

-A Dietz
Bellcore, Morristown
From: ahgrabow@apgea.army.mil (Alexander H. Grabowski <ahgrabow>)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Loud irritating ... tourists   ENOUGH!
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:28:40 GMT
Organization: ATE1 S7=255 S11=55 V1 X1 S0=0

In article <7253@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:
>Ah, now finally I do understand why I was looked at askance when I came
>at Fisherman's Wharf in wooden shoes and asked for a raw herring.  Do you
>mean they do not serve raw herrings to people in wooden shoes?  If so,
>what is the proper footwear when ordering raw herring?  And for the
>tulip gardens, why are there no proper signs to them?
>-- 
Dik,
don't wonder if these guys in SF aren't serving *raw herring*,
as they call it. I think, the *nieuwe haring* is only something 
for a more sophisticated toungue. Anyway, as long as I can get that
fish in any dutch or german lunch-room, I don't care wether they
have it in the US. Fotunately, this item is not 'McDonaldable'.

bedankt, Mijnheer

Alexander
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.usa,alt.flame
From: 2120158@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Loud irritating obtrusive American tourists, er, USENETters
Keywords: obnoxious loudmouthed bigotted culturally impaired USAian disgrace 
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:54:00 GMT

>Naw, even the Nazis needed a tax-shelter and a haven for their illgotten
>gains. But then again history doesn't seem to be Your forte. Remember, boy,
>that the US had to be dragged kicking and screaming into WWII. Of course
>You don't remember that Rooseveldt won the '40s election on the strength of
>not getting into yet another European embroglio. Of course You don't know 
>that Germany declared war on the US and initiated hostilities. Of course 
>You forget the paltry little contributions of countries like the UK or the
>USSR. Of course!

  after deleting all of you sensless, idiotic drama, I thought that I should
point something out to all of you.

  1) Roosevelt knew that war was coming- otherwise why the massive program
of shipbuilding and laying the groungwork for war (ie the naval and air base in
Iceland and Greenland).

  2) While Roosevelt was anti-war, he strengthened Britain as much as he could
(admittatly at his profit) by the selling of 50 destroyers to Britain and
the assuming of authority of patrolling the western half of the Atlantic.

  3) And I must admitt even though I think most Americans are loud-mouthed
egotistical BARSTARDS, without their help, it would've been unlikely that
Britain (and her allies) would've been able to open a second front in France.

Matthew-Uni of NSW.
Australia.
From: ivan@spider.co.uk (Ivan Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Get the country right! (Was Re: Eurail Pass)
Summary: Britain=England,Scotland,Wales,NI; England <> Britain!!!!
Keywords: Scotland, England, Britain
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:11:38 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1992Sep9.074306.18413@phcomgw.seri.philips.nl> grimaldo@tokyo.seri.philips.nl (Emilio Grimaldo) writes:
>  As for the king of passes, Eurail Pass, I do NOT know if you can buy it in
>  England, probably yes if you go to the Eurail Aid office (London?), if not
   ^^^^^^^ 

Were you thinking here of *Britain*, or specifically of
that *sub-part* of the "United Kingdom" (pah!) known as England?

Please do not use "England" to refer to the United Kingdom.  England
<> UK/Britain! {England} < {UK}. There are other parts, notably
Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland! 

If for example, you were talking about football hooliganism, then it
would (sadly) be accurate to refer to "England" (this is because the
majority of football hooligans who have so tarnished Britain's
reputation, hail from England, whilst fans from other parts of the UK
have been, on the whole, more responsible - a fact which should not be
held against the English per se). This illustrates the need to be
careful when to refer to the entire UK, as opposed to parts thereof.
-- 
Ivan Hans Mark Reid                      Management Information Systems Analyst
"Information is Power ..."                                   Spider Systems Ltd
vox: (+44 31) 554 9424                                 Spider Park, Stanwell St
fax: (+44 31) 554 0649                              Edinburgh EH6 5NG, SCOTLAND
From: hrvoje@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Hecimovic)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Cambridge
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:02:19 GMT
Distribution: rec.travel
Organization: Edinburgh University



Thanks for all posting about Cambridge. I'm leaving tomorrow and hope to
have good time.
Hrvoje
From: rbs@uk.ac.ed.aisb (Robert Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: cirrus/mastercard?
Date: 4 Sep 92 22:13:34 GMT
	<1992Sep4.103617.24893@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Reply-To: rbs@aisb.ed.ac.uk
Distribution: rec
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland


In article <1992Sep4.103617.24893@samba.oit.unc.edu> Edward.Starczewski@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Edward Starczewski) writes:

   On my trip to Britain  last October I used my Cirrus affiliated Bank
   card
   exclusively.  It did take a few attempts to find a bank that would
   accept it though, Lloyds Bank was the lucky (for me) winner.  Lloyds
   is located just about every where, I used there ATM's in a number of
   locations (serveral in London, Windsor, Stratford upon Avon, Oxford,
   and Malvern). I would offer some advice though:
   1. Take some travellers checks... just in case
   2. Check with a major office of your bank, ask them if they have any
   reciprocal agreements with banks in the areas you are travelling, 
   these agreements usually include acceptance of each others ATM cards.
   3. Know the numbers of your access code not just the letters, ATM's in
   Europe don't have the telephone-like keypads we do in the States and
   Canada.

I have noticed that The Royal Bank of Scotland also has a Cirrus
sticker on its ATMs. There are many branches throughout the UK,
not just Scotland (since the Royal Bank bought out an English
bank some time in the past).


--
Rob Scott
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Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney)
Subject: Access Fund Needs Help
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:57:40 GMT

ACCESS FUND NEEDS VOLONTEER SURVEY TAKERS.

The Access Fund in conducting a survey over several weekends in
September and October in Yosemitee National Park.  The purpose is to
provide a data base of climber usage for discussions with the NPS.
Volonteers will count climbers on specific areas, number of cars
parked at turnouts used by climbers, distribute questionaires, etc.

This information is needed to preserve access in YNP.

Anyone interested in helping call:

Sean Ward : 1-800-666-5463 (work)
            1-510-237-6418 (home)

[If possible, call the work number as Sean is more readily contacted
there.]
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: AS.MSW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Marc Whitney)
Subject: Re: Reasons for using chalk
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:41:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.161113.7444@ac.dal.ca>,
rclarke@ac.dal.ca writes:
>Can some one please tell me what damage chalk does?  Dosen't it just wash off
>with the rain?

The damage is that it pisses off enough non-climbers such that
access is threatened.  If climbimbing is banned in an area chalk,
bolts and brightly colored slings all become moot issues!
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: timsc@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Tim Schneider)
Subject: Climbing in 115 degree heat (was Magnesium Carbonate... er uh... Chalk)
Reply-To: timsc@hwcae.honeywell.com
Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Division; Phoenix, AZ
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:27:13 GMT


Okay its my turn.. I've been sitting on the sidelines for too long
now... my turn to jump into the fray!


 I use chalk, and will probably to continue to use it, I have seen good
 arguments on both sides however.  

 I will not use it at an area if access is an issue and there is a ban
 on its use.  (I'll use the less effective x factor)

 I also use tape gloves for crack climbing, (especially around Phx,
 the rock is rougher than that of J-Tree!)  I dont like "trohphies"
 scars and wounds on the backs of my hands as a result of (Bob Marleyism)
 "jammin".


When climbing in 115+ heat in Phoenix sticky shoes and chalk do you
little good.  Your shoes grease off most of the "dime" edges, and by
the time you dip your hand into the chalk bag and return it to the
rock, your other hand has already sweated off the previous load of
"grip enhancer"  So you never make forward progress, you just get to
the crux, lock-off, chalk up one hand, then the other, then the other,
then the other, then the other... until you flame-out then peel!

Seriously though, I've seen Fred (one of my sometime climbing partners...
very gifted loads of natural ability) do some of the 5.11's around
here in the 115 degree heat and he rarely uses chalk, he does use
shoes though.

good discussions.... on both sides




--
            tim schneider

    timsc@hwcae.honeywell.com  OR
  uunet!asuvax!hwcae.honeywell.com!timsc
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