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From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: A few miscellaneous X-questions (Rogue and Empath)
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:44:22 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Sep2.142142.11343@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com (Dr. Midnight) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug31.143859.58533@cc.usu.edu>, sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:
> 
> (re: Rogue's hair)
> 
>>>	I wondered about this one too.  Back when I was first collecting
>>>the Xmen but now I cannot remember what they said had changed her.  Probably
>>>just a hair style change, although how that could do it is beyond me!
>>>Maybe her mutant powers also include strange moving of stripe when it looks
>>>more fashionable...
>                                                                       
> Oh, she just dyed her hair differently.  What would be interesting, but rather
> trivial plotwise, would be for a writer to explain why she put that stripe in
> there in the first place.  I doubt it's a 'normal' part of her hair.  And it's
> not like stripes in your hair are particularly common, altho this IS the Marvel
> Universe we're talking about.

	Yes, but as was once pointed out I think it highly inprobably a gal 
who can survive explosions and napalm, brickwalls and shock treatments can 
super dye her hair.  Maybe she uses some strange concoction of unstable
molecules!
Who knows???
						wReam...

P.S.  I just saw the Xmen video game and got a good laugh!  I now know why the
good guys win!  Not because they have better powers or fighting ability...
Its because they have enough quarters to keep the game going to the very end!
(And I mean you have to pump them in!)
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: What happened?
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:38:42 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug30.221314.5041@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>: Danielle Moonstar
>
>This character was also *RUINED* by Simonson, the worst writer ever
>in comics. 

Y'know, i replied to the original poster of this thread by e-mail, and said
that what ruined Dani for me was when her powers were altered so that she 
could make her 'wishes' reality.  I thought that this was just totally 
pulled out of the blue.  However, i recently bought and read NM #3, in which
the Brood-influenced Prof X used his powers to augment Dani's, to the point
that she was able to create and maintain a BUNCH of 'real illusions' all at
once.  If this power was developed further, she could have been quite 
powerful.  I wonder why this was never picked up on again until the
Simonson issues, and then only in a really watered down form (if i remember
correctly).  Any ideas?

JRjr
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'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cable #1 is out - Spoilers
Keywords: biff! bang! pow! <- actually thats a good book too.
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BtqBLz.Eq5@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes...
>In article <17k92cINNlo6@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale) writes:
>I have a question for those who read this book.  Did anybody compare (not
>necessarily favorably) the bit with Cable and the Egyptian antiques expert
>with scenes from Raiders of the Lost Ark, or other Indy movies?  I just had
>this weird sense of deja vu...the mercenary good-guy who wears a suit and
>tie most of the time, then gets decked out in swashbuckling attire when 
>on a "mission" seems familiar...
>Just curious if this was coincidence or a blantant rip-off.

Great.

Indiana Cable and the Lost Minds of Marvel

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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Problems?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:24:30 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <66937@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
writes:
>In article <19881@plains.NoDak.edu> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
writes:
>>written by Mr. Byrne, and thus may express a biased viewpoint. As for me,
>>(complete change of subject here) I am completely shocked by how competently
>>Lobdell has been handling UX. *Especially* considering his hack jobs in EX.
>
>By competently you mean his total disregard toward the past 10 years of
>character development (ref. Storm, etc.)?  Or perhaps the failure to check
>even the most basic of facts, like where Angel lost his wings (ie, on an
>altar or on a bare wall)?

I guess I should have clarified myself. Competent, in terms of Scott Lobdell,
meant in my post:

"Far-Better-Done-than-Past-Excaliburs-Would-Have-Indicated".

This, of course, by no means means excellent, but at least the last few
issues haven't quite been the horror trip I've been expecting.

One could make the arguement that Storm really hasn't had much character
development since Claremont gave her a mohawk. But then, that won't be me,
now, will it? :-) As for Angle's wings, the fault should also lie with the
X-Hordling, Bob Harras, who should have caught the stupid mistake when it
passed his desk.

>Lobdell needs to be booted as far away from the x-books as is possible, and
>take all the hack artists that have been or will be working on the book with
>him.

Too late for that -- Jim Lee's already left.

Cheers...
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael J. Keating)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Rachel's current status?
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:56:09 GMT
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I have not been following Excalibur for many months, maybe years????  I
am curious about the status of Rachel, who was my favorite character
before she went to Excalibur.  Any new and interesting developments?  Is
there a chance that they will involve her in any of the upcoming
crossover issues?
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cable #1 is out - Spoilers
Keywords: biff! bang! pow! <- actually thats a good book too.
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:11:51 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <BtqBLz.Eq5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:

>I have a question for those who read this book.  Did anybody compare (not
>necessarily favorably) the bit with Cable and the Egyptian antiques expert
>with scenes from Raiders of the Lost Ark, or other Indy movies?  I just had
>this weird sense of deja vu...the mercenary good-guy who wears a suit and
>tie most of the time, then gets decked out in swashbuckling attire when 
>on a "mission" seems familiar...

>Just curious if this was coincidence or a blantant rip-off.

Where JRjr is concerned, I would tend to assume that it was intended as
a (subtle?) tribute.  At least I certainly *hope* it was intended.

>The Walrus
PS. I am the Eggman!
					James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: What Happened to Kid Dynamo?
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:44:33 GMT
	<x#gnn3m.dani@netcom.com>
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer):
>Does anyone know what happened to Kid Dynamo, Connie Hirsch's wonderful
>story about the New Mutants?  I had to leave before she finished posting
>it, so I didn't get most of the chapters. 

hmm. For some reason, I had this strange idea that this was going to be
a post about LSH....you know: "What Happened to Kid *Quantum*?"  Sorry,
Connie for confusing your brilliant piece of work with a sorry excuse
for a retcon....... :/

--Vernon.
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: A few miscellaneous X-questions (Rogue and Empath)
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:04:53 GMT

Jonathan M Lennox (jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
:   2)  In Uncanny X-men #29whatever (the issue before Bishop shows up,
: with the big pointless battle at the Hellfire Club), Empath appears at
: the Club.  Last I knew, he was in Nova Roma with Amara.  How did he
: get back to New York?  (Or is this just the recent ignoring of
: continuity so much in vogue amongst X-book writers?)

Either he took an airplane, or the writers ignored Simonson. 
We can only hope it was the latter!

Scott

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From: hachiman@milton.u.washington.edu (Matt Downer)
Subject: Re: X-Prices update :-)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:39:12 GMT

In article <67267@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>I went to two stores of an atlanta-area comic book store chain (Titan games
>and comics, if you care :-) yesterday, looking to blow a little fundage on
>some x-men back issues (i got 76 and 106, plus new mutants 3 & 4).  I happened
>to notice the prices on some of the newer x-stuff.  Now, i really don't 
>consider these to be 'fanboy' stores, or stores that only have like one
>copy of each back issue.  These are fairly major stores.
>
>They had the last few Lee/Claremont books for $10-12 each (Uncanny).
>They had X-Men 201 (first Nathan Summers/Cable) for $20.
>They had New Mutants 87 for (get this) $75.
>
>Now, i'm not a total knee-jerk Liefield hater, or at least i wasn't when
>he first started the mutants, but if _anyone_ pays $75 for a book that
>came out, what, a year and a half ago, and had a print run of that size,
>they should be shot!  Gimme a break :-)

Well it came out about two and a half years ago (still that's not *too* long
ago), but at that time New Mutants was not selling very well, so 87 had a very
small print run for a mutant book.  It was selling poorly enough that it was 
flirting with the 'direct sales only' distribution.  That's the main reason
it's so expensive.  But you're right that any one who'd spend $75 on NM 87
should have their head examined.  I mean you can get the second printing for 
$2 or less, and there's a trade pb out that contains NM 87 (as well as other
issues) for a paltry $16.95.  Probably comes on better paper too :)

 _______________________________
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From: brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Rogue fans! A question to y'all.
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:35:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Okay so I'm reading the Classic X-Men that came out last week, and while
Wolverine is going out for revenge against the poisoners of the X-Men,
Rogue mentions the the reason the poison didn't effect her was because
she's HALF-ALIEN! Needless to say this took me by surprise.

So what's the scoop? Is this true, or is this something that was written
away in later issues?

-- Brian
brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Problems?
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:41:02 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Aug25.085657.2014@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>  P.S. - Why did Byrne leave X-MEN? Was it his choice, did he get
>fired off it, or what? I never heard anything about it until I 
>noticed the pitiful story in UNCANNY and found out Lobdell was on
>it.

As Per John Byrne's Bible (aka the Comics Buyer's Guide, or at least its
mail column...):

JB was taken off the book by that paragon of consistency, Bob Harras, the
Dark Editor of Silent Pain. It appears that JB had the gall to complain when
fan hack Jim Lee kept on being late with the books that JB was supposed to
be scripting.

A BRIEF BREAK FOR THOSE UNAWARE OF THE "MARVEL STYLE":

Unlike a lot of houses, most of Marvel's books are done in their "house"
style, which is art first, writing (or at least dialogue) second. The
origins of this interesting system largely came about in the 1960s, when the
legendary Stan Lee was basically writing every damn book Marvel came out
with (and basically doing a good job, too). He didn't have time to fully
script out each issue of the mushrooming Marvel Universe, so instead he'd
discuss the plot with the artist, and then leave the artist to go do the
entire issue, filling in the dialogue afterward.

In any case, Johnny was receiving the faxed pages to script off of very late
-- like one weekend ahead of deadline. He put up with it for awhile,
thinking things would get better, but the schedule never caught up. When he
had the terminity to complain to his Hordling Harras about the work crunch
(most Marvel writers, according to him, receive about one month to work on
an issue), Harras took him Off Book, where he's stayed basically harmless,
doing cute stuff in Namor and Shulkie.

Be aware, r.a.c.x.'ers, that all the above came from unsupported letters
written by Mr. Byrne, and thus may express a biased viewpoint. As for me,
(complete change of subject here) I am completely shocked by how competently
Lobdell has been handling UX. *Especially* considering his hack jobs in EX.

"Those who do not repeat history are doomed to remember it."
	--General Laughing Glass of the Ministry of Circles
	 from "Richard Darwin -- Time, Space, and Something Else..."

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Bishops future ...
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:30:47 GMT

How about this:

	The future is not invalid because Bishop's knowledge of the XMEN is
		limited and, presumably, edited by 'The Witness'

	'The Witness' actually *coordinated* the XMen's destruction

therefore

	"Betrayal from within" does not mean that an XMAN excuted the
		destruction. Somethjing as simple as supplying the enemies
		with entrance sequences could constitute the betrayal.

Which leads us to why the witness raised Bishiop and kept his existance a
secret:

If the Witness is involved:
	Bishop flubs up and makes things easier
or
	Bishop is absorbed by the enemy/his powers are perverted

If the Witness is not involved (*my theroy*):
	The enemy is from the future, goes back in time to stop the XMEN
		so that the XSE is never formed/take over that timeline.

	They subvert or take over 1 of the XMEN (psylocke, my guess)
		and use her to get at the XMEN/disable defenses.

	Bishop, being in that timeline, knows about these mauraders
		from the future and plays a key role in stopping their
		ultimate plans.

	The witness, the only surviving XMAN (gambit, I would guess), 
		figures out that it was Bishop's "surprise" existance in
		that timeline which turned the tide of battle, and, 
		therefore, takes steps to insure that his existance in the
		past is a surprise.


Two other notes: I feel that Bishops "attitude problems" are natural and a 
		 good story device. I think it would be good for him to 
		 express rightous indignation at Jean Grey, who killed 
		 after chastising him for taking the same tact.

		 Also, who'd want psylocke's breasts to shrink, anyway?

Topher
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From: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox)
Subject: A few miscellaneous X-questions (Rogue and Empath)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:20:33 GMT

  I have a few questions about the xbooks I was wondering if the
people out in netland could answer...

  1)  In between the two most recent issues of Classic X-men, Rogue's
hair changed from her older twin temple-stripes to her current single
central "skunk" stripe.  Do these issues repring consecutive issues of
X-men?  (There wasn't any indication I could find in the most recent
issue of which issue it was reprinting.)  If not, was there any
explanation of how her hair changed?

  2)  In Uncanny X-men #29whatever (the issue before Bishop shows up,
with the big pointless battle at the Hellfire Club), Empath appears at
the Club.  Last I knew, he was in Nova Roma with Amara.  How did he
get back to New York?  (Or is this just the recent ignoring of
continuity so much in vogue amongst X-book writers?)

Hope someone can be of some help here...

Jonathan Lennox
jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Problems?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:01:45 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug25.085657.2014@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>C'mon, the X-books aren't all that bad now.

Only if you didn't read them before claremont left...

>  X-MEN - maybe the best of the bunch.  Fabian N. (won't even try to
>write it) is one of Marvel's best writers.  Art Thibert and Andy
>Kubert are great artists with good storytelling techniques.

I liked Thibert's work with Portacio, but solo his art looks too 'cartoony',
lacking a lot of detail.  Kubert's stuff just isn't dynamic enough for my 
tastes.

>  UNCANNY - OK, this book is pitifully written (Scott Lobdell never
>could write) and drawn even worse (Tom Raney-ugh!).  Our only hope is
>for Lobdell to go to Image, or at least for Joe Queseda's art to make
>up for his (numerous) shortcomings.

They've gotta do something with this book. I nearly have a complete run
(from 1963) and even _i've_ thought about dropping it.  I'm only still
buying it to keep my collection up to date and keep from paying $5 a shot
in a couple of years when marvel begs claremont and byrne to save the book
from cancellation.

>  EXCALIBUR - man, can Alan Davis draw or what!

Davis is ok, but Paul Neary's inks really made it for me.  Davis' stuff just
doesn't look as good with Farmer on inks.  In addition, i really don't like
his writing all that much.  I like his handling of the characters, and he
has moments of brilliance, but i _really_ didn't like the way he watered down
the whole phoenix mythos.

>  X-FORCE - must be the art that makes this one as bad as it is. 
>Pacella just cannot draw; he started out like a mediocre Liefield and
>has just gotten worse from there.  Hope Capullo is better (won't be 
>hard).

I liked Capullo's work on Quasar, but i'm not sure his style is right for
this book.  Still, anything is an improvement over the DREK that's been 
fed us for the past few months.

>  X-FACTOR - I like this book, especially the first few issues under
>David and Stroman.  Now, if they could just keep him on every issue as
>artist, and if some of the original humor can be brought back...

I like the characters, but i HATE the artwork (everything is PAINFULLY 2-d)
and PAD's writing has been quite a bit below par for him.  The storylines
have been largely pointless, and the villains he's been using have been quite
lame (MHO).


>  WOLVERINE - I love it!  Hama is bad on GI JOE, but great here.  Tex
>is awesome.  But, there's really bad news - Pacella is coming! ARGH!

I like this book better when they keep Wolvie in 'superhero' mode and not
in Madripoor or whatever.  I've enjoyed the guest appearances from other
x-people lately, especially Jubilee.  

JRjr

-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: What happened?
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:53:01 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug31.162101.23682@news.columbia.edu> kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka) writes:
 	Claremont:  She was basically not skilled enough to do it at first,
 and if she ever was skilled enough, her subconcious would set mental blocks
 because it's a basically uncontrollable power.  Besides, the increase
 caused by Professor X was to her ultimate extent, something she wouldn't be
 able to accomplish on her own for years. (Marvel years, that is...)  BTW,
 Claremont did mention it once, when Mirage was kidnapped and trapped in a
 room, she wished that she could create a solid Wolverine to cut a way out

Where did this occur?  Sounds really interesting.  Was it in the X-Men, 'cause
i just re-read all my Claremont New Mutants.  I do seem to remember it,
vaguely...

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
From: poole@convex.com (Ricky Poole)
Subject: Re: X-Problems?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:28:42 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

msr@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Rosenberg) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.085657.2014@wkuvx1.bitnet> barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>>  X-FORCE - must be the art that makes this one as bad as it is. 
>>Pacella just cannot draw; he started out like a mediocre Liefield and
>>has just gotten worse from there.  Hope Capullo is better (won't be 
>>hard).
>I don't think X-Force is going to last much longer...it's probably going to
>end somewhere soon after the upcoming x-over, to make way for New Mutants II.

I may have missed something somewhere but it looks to me like Cable is
going to disappear during this upcoming X-over. He's not mentioned in
any of the synopsis after the first one I think in Previews.

Anybody know anything about this? 

Regards

Rick
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