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From: wohfuchi@splash.Princeton.EDU (Wataru Ohfuchi)
Subject: Re: THE EDUCATION TO BE BLAME
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:25:54 GMT

Dear Mr. He;

In article <1992Aug20.102614.5026@gw.wmich.edu> 31he@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>...I have a few Japanese close friend,
>when we talked about the Invasion during 1937-1945, I was so surprised that what
>they know is totally not true. I believe that both of the people in both of 
>Japan and China do not want any war to happen again. However, this kind of 
>education would lead the people to which direction is hard to predict.
>

  Would you kindly elaborate on telling us what your Japanese
friends said? I do not intend to flame. I just would like to learn.

>...We read an article talked about some 
>kindergarden education in Japan, teacher put some lovely apples on the table,
>and ask the kids: "Do you like them? Do you want them?" Answer is yes, and then
>"Then go get them. In China, everywhere have..." 

  Honestly, I would doubt the validity of the above article. I hope I
would not upset you. I never ever had this kind of brainwashing 
at my kindergarten nor anywhere in Japan.
  Again I do NOT intend to flame. Would you provide us the source of
the article?

>
>I am not sure if it is true, but from the attitude of some Japanese netters, I
>think quite some people have this kind of thoughts deep in mind. That is "the 
>stronger has the right to invade and conqur". I believe this kind of thoughts 
>and attitude will lead to a very dangerous situation that most of the people in
>the world do not want.  
>

  If I am one of the netters that you mention, I would apologize.
Would you tell us what kind of posting by Japanese netters make you
thinks so?

  I admit I asked Mr. He too much. I just sincerly would like to
communicate with other people.
  I do think the Japanese goverment's attitude is not sincere at all. I
feel, however, most of the Japanese netters' attitude and posting are
very honest. Then we are having this flame war. I suspect we are having
a problem in communicating with each other. I am trying to solve this
problem, hopefully not in vain.
...Wataru
-- 
  ...Wataru Ohfuchi
     Program in Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, Princeton University
     w1o@gfdl.gov _or_ wohfuchi@splash.princeton.edu
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From: ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Primer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Godzilla vs Charles Barkely
Date: 16 Aug 92 16:02:45 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

yoichi@milton.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:

>ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Ken Primer) writes:
>> .... Can you see the possible conclusions being drawn by the choice??? 
>> Japan vs US? Maybe maybe not...I just thought this belonged on this 
>> message base. 
>
>In previous posts there was a question regarding Godzilla's gender.
>But what about its nationality?  Is it Japanese?  Having seen him/her
>go around stomping on Tokyo, I'm not sure Godzilla is a Nihon-lizard.
>In fact, wasn't he/she from the South Pacific (consequence of H-bomb 
>test or something)?
>
>I've also heard that the popularity of Godzilla in post-war Japan was
>due to its comparison to US air raid. People were sufficiently scared
>(and entertained) as they recalled the uncontested US attack, but at 
>the same time they did not have to re-experience the humiliation of 
>the war defeat, as they might have from a war movie.
   HMMMMM some heavy thinking here...*zorch* oops Kens brain is fried
I better wait for a follow up commercial.

-- 
  HAVE A NICE DAY!                        ken@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu
(or die trying)--------AAAAAAARG! the paranoids are after me!

                                                               <fnord>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: wohfuchi@splash.Princeton.EDU (Wataru Ohfuchi)
Subject: WWII education in Japan (was Re: Irresponsibility (Re: An open...))
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:29:05 GMT

In article <Aug18.233240.37729@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:
>
>	Ahm, just one thing.  Many people seem to have mentioned about "history
>	books" in Japan.  We DO have many history books and articles that deal
>	with the issue fairly correctly (I believe, and from those books I 
>	learned about what Japanese Army did).  I can't recall the names of the
>	books now, I'm sorry.
>
>	"History books" we are talking about are history text books to be used 
>	in high schools that will be censored before they are published as 
>	text books.  So we have ways to learn about the fact (and sometimes
>	about biased information) in Japan.
>
>	The problem I think is, it is these text books that are censored and 
>	watered-down or de-emphasized.  After school, many people just have no
>	chances to take a look at history books unless they like to read them.
>
>	So, we do have both sides of information in public, but unfortunately,
>	this is rarely the case for school text books.  This IS the problem.
>
>
>						Tetsuya Nishimura

  That is true. Brutality and misdeeds by the Japanese Imperial Army are
publicized on TV, magazines and books in Japan. It needs, however, a little
effort to learn. I think young Japanese should be encouraged to watch
these programs and read those articles, and to think. I somehow feel
there is not enough encouragement for them to do so. That is another
problem in Japan.
  While I believe that more about WWII should be taught at schools in
Japan, I think it is much easier to encourage people than to change
goverment's attitude.
  I sincerly would like to have this discussion very fruitful.
No more flame, nor irresponsible discouragement, please.
...Wataru
-- 
  ...Wataru Ohfuchi
     Program in Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, Princeton University
     w1o@gfdl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jmalcolm@sura.net (Joseph Malcolm)
Subject: Re: Have some cash
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:02:03 GMT

In article <ophm8gg@fido.asd.sgi.com> jice@echo.asd.sgi.com (John Eisenman) writes:
>However, I am fairly certain that the Visa card that I have
>(AT&T Universal Card) does indeed show the exchange rate (and
>original yen price) on the statement.  I beleive city bank
>Master Card does this as well.  I remember noticing the good
>exchange rate as soon as I got the bill.
>
>So, I guess it depends on the particular charge card that you
>have.

Apparently so. My Chevy Chase Vise card didn't, while my Citibank Visa did.
(This was pounds rather than yen but I don't expect that matters.)

-- 
Joseph Malcolm				jmalcolm@sura.net
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Have some cash; Was: Re: Osaka Airport directions
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:05:44 GMT
	<1992Aug15.222201.2021@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: asano@ucsu.Colorado.EDU's message of 15 Aug 92 22:22:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.222201.2021@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> asano@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
   (ASANO Yoshiteru) writes:

 =}Accepted no credit card?  Sounds very odd to me.  Today, almost any type of 
 =}business accepts visa or mastercard in Japan...

   At first I too was surprised to hear that a business hotel would not
accept credit cards.  So I checked out a couple near me.  They don't
accept credit cards...
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From: wohfuchi@splash.Princeton.EDU (Wataru Ohfuchi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: What do most of Japanese think of Korean (Re: An open letter..)
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:51:07 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Aug21.192258.3227@ducvax.auburn.edu> kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>
>However in my feeling and from the side news or whatever, most of Japanese
>have a bad feeling against Korean too. 

[stuff deleted]

>Would you give some back ground story happening in Japan of today. 
>The more honest, the more valuable to me.

[stuff deleted]

>                        Hanjung Kim from Alabama.
>.

  I hate to say there are _SOME_ Japanese, probably not most, who do not
like the Koreans. It is impossible for me to tell what _MOST_ of the
Japanese think of the Koreans. I would, however, try to write what, _I_
think, is going on and what, _I_ believe, should be done to remove this
tendency in Japan.

  You needn't teach your kids. They will learn from your attitude and
behavior. Some, or maybe many, old Japanese didn't like the Koreans for
whatever the reason was. (See other netters' thoughtful explanation)
Learning from their attitude, later generations might have got this
tendency. I may say this learning process is a kind of educations.
I think any kind of education could fail more or less. This rather
passive education is likely to fail but still some Japanese have learnt.
  We might just wait until the passive education fails. It would, however,
take a very long time, and I am not patient enough to wait it.
  What do we need then? I think they are active educations that are less
likely to fail. Not only history education but also some humanitary
education, too. Not only at school but at home and at other places.
  I feel helpless about changing the government quickly. So a practical
way we can start with, IMHO, is starting it in a rather small group,
such as your home, your class, or some meetings.

  I myself want to know what _MOST_ of the Japanese think of the Koreans
or others. Isn't there any poll or something like that? 
...Wataru
-- 
  ...Wataru Ohfuchi
     Program in Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences, Princeton University
     w1o@gfdl.gov _or_ wohfuchi@splash.princeton.edu
From: chung@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Po Sum Chung ACF)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 15:42:41 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.002743.15171@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <SMITTIE.92Aug20160552@beach.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>>  [garbage deleted]

I am sick of people who are so remote to the atrocity of the Japanese 
WWII cruelty telling the victims and their families how they should
feel and behave.   

>Compare to the Atorcity of Nagking, no bad deeds can compare with it!
>Chinese should not expect anything(agreement, sympathy, compassion), 
>from you guys!

Ditto.


Po Sum Chung                        email: chung@ames.arc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas)
Subject: Re: Irresponsibility (Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japan)
Organization: The Hartford Graduate Center
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:09:05 GMT

In article <SMITTIE.92Aug17152312@lark.csulb.edu> smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>>Thank you, You can do onething for the people of invaded countries.
>>There is no doubt in my mind that Japan is trying to rebuild its
>>glorious(and also very shameful) past by reenforcing its military and,
>>meantime, misguiding the public. You can use vote to stop this!!!
>>Nobody wants Giant Japan with striking force.
>
>What do evidence do we have of this?? The PKO bill? That was a response to
>Western pressures that developed as a result of the Gulf War. So what other
>evidence can you offer that shows Japan's desire to return to
>militant-nationalism???
>
>smittie
>--
>___________________________________________________________________________
>GEnie, MCI, AOL:Smittie | If all of us were as smart as we think we are the
>smittie@beach.csulb.edu |  current world problems would be yesterday's news.
>________________________|___________________________________________________


There was a very interesting article in Weol Gan Chosun regarding 
rearmamaent of Japan. If you are still interested in this problem, just
send me an e-mail to yoo@ug1.eng1.uconn.edu since I don't wanna abuse the 
network over this matter. Not only will I give the source from which I
draw my conclusion, but I will also translate it for you(I don't believe
you can read Korean). 
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From: lixj@sol.rutgers.edu (Xiao-jian Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:43:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: sol.Aug.19.14.43.01.1992.1604
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:
>continue to teach and promote hatred will very likely be the cause of future
>problems.
What problem? Do you mean China would invade Japan to get its revenge?

Forgiveness only comes after a sincere apology. To teach history doesn't
mean to promote hatred. You certainly can not expect Jewish forget
Halocaust and Chinese forget Nanjin Massacre. You seem to expect us
forgetting everything while let go of the other side which has yet to
take any proper action.

>I do not wish to lessen the severity of the past. I question the perpetuation
>of hatred into the future.
I sincerely hope the A-bomb victim museum in Japan is not for the next
generation Japaness to drop an A-bomb in Washington.

xj
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Gaijin (was--What do most of Japanese .......)
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 10:07:45 GMT


To: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU

Please forgive my ignorance. I have been told that the "gai" in "gaijin"
was originally the kanji for evil/harm/damage $B32(J instead of the
kanji for outside $B30(J .  Is there any truth to this? 


$B$*Hh$lMM(J

Charlie

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 10:29:57 -0400 
From: Soshi Iba <si0l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Kurenai no Buta

I just came back from Japan.  Kurenai no Buta was very nice and fun. 
Its lanking by the time I left (Aug 21) was 2nd (1st was 'Patriot
Games').  The ticket I guess was around 1300y for me.

Soshi
From: gt5190a@prism.gatech.EDU (Tony Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Narita to Haneda
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:45:03 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hi, I'm just wondering how far, or rather, how long a bus ride it is
from the Narita Airport to Haneda airport.   The info will allow me to 
"rush" accordingly when my damn flight is delayed.:).  

Thanks in advance for any help.

e-mail preferred:  gt5190a@prism.gatech.edu

Tony


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From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: Death of Yamamoto (Was: 50 YEARS AGO: August 7, 1942 -- Guadalcanal)
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:11:37 GMT

fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

>In article <jwb.713493785@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>>buckley@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BUCKLEY  CHARLES RAY) writes:
>>
>>>In article <jwb.713403302@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au> jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Some Allies had been there all along. When Australia evacuated the island of
>>>>Bouganville earlier that year, several small teams of "coast-watcher"s were
>>>>.....
>>>Is this the same island where Admiral Yamamto was killed?
>>
>>I think so. I'll try and remember to look it up when I get home tonight.
>>
>>Many now think that Yamamoto's death was practically suicide. His flight plans
>>were broadcast in a low-grade cypher that was sure to have been read by the 
>>Allies. Even so, there were many on the Allied side not happy with the
>>deliberate taking out of an enemy leader.

>While I remember hearing interviews with the pilots on that mission, and they 
>all expressed the feeling that that mission had a different "feel" to it than
>others (ie, they were targetting a specific individual, rather than engaging
>a nebulous "enemy"), I find it difficult to believe that many on the Allied 
>side felt more unhappiness than relief that the top (in ability) naval officer
>of Japan had been removed from the scene. Deliberately taking out an enemy
>leader is normally considered desireable.

According to Bergamini, the Administration sought legal advice, as well as
"moral" advice from some churchmen before authorizing the mission.
-- 
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PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Narita to Haneda
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:25:18 GMT
Reply-To: blamb@rodan.hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Organization: Horizon Research

In article <66298@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt5190a@prism.gatech.EDU (Tony
Chang) writes:
> Hi, I'm just wondering how far, or rather, how long a bus ride it is
> from the Narita Airport to Haneda airport.   The info will allow me to 
> "rush" accordingly when my damn flight is delayed.:).  

One way to get there is by bus, and it should take around an
hour with no traffic. As there is no such situation, plan on
around 1:30. I believe such a limo bus leaves Narita every
20 minutes or so.

The next two ways are by train, and are therefore usually more
reliable. Either take the Narita Express to Tokyo Station, or
the Keisei Skyliner to Ueno. Then take the Yamanote line to
Hamamatsucho Station and take the monorail to Haneda. This is
not recommended if you have a lot of baggage, but there are
shipping services at Narita to send you bags to your final
destination for some fee, and next day arrival. In this case,
carry an overnight with you.

Probably the Keisei/Yamanote/Monorail connection is cheapest,
but not if you have to send your bags by shipping company.
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:09:01 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du) writes:

>20 century's Greatest man -- Dave said:
> 
>>Yeah, that's right. Chinese feeling hatred is 100% a Chinese problem. 

>>Nobody else can force you to feel one way or the other: feelings are
>>your response to some situation. So it really doesn't matter what
>>the Japan did or did not do to China: Chinese people are responsible
>>for their own emotions. 

>>If you believe that your feeling are controlled and caused by
>>other people's actions, you might was well give up as I find
>>it hard to believe that life would be worth living under the
>>circumstances. 

>>Dave

>>--
>>Dave McLane 
>>JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
>>Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087

>Are we really crazy for the apology? Do we loss our emotional
>control? Hey, man! Give me a break! We believe that there 
>should be justice in this world, and sadly, we find that actually 
>there hardly exists one. Japan's attitude towards WW2 shows that
>clearly. Donot be surprised if someday China attacks Japan. It is
>Japan who invites that invasion! 

Sure, everybody believes there should be justice in the world.  The
problem is that there is no common definition of what justice is. 

>I think what Dave wants to say is that: Do not ask for apology,
>just build yourself up, and then invade Japan!!!

No, I didn't say that. You did. 

I'm going to guess that you feel it's necessary for somebody to
attack somebody because your still so busy being pissed off that
you're missing the other opportunities that exist for something a
bit more enjoyable. 

Too bad ...

Dave

--
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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: gupta@uts.amdahl.com (Ajay Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Planning to be in Tokyo on September 5th.
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:22:37 GMT
Reply-To: gupta@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


  I was planning to be in Tokyo in the evening of Sptember 5th. Since this 
  is my first visit to Japan, and I have one full day to spend there in 
  Tokyo, I was wondering if somebody has some suggestions for what to do 
  there to best utilize the one day. If somebody from Tokyo itself can take 
  me around, I can reciprocate the same favor when you come to California. 
  Any dos/don't etc.
  Any info with respect to above is highly appreciated. 
  Please email them at the following address :
  gupta@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com 
           
  Thanks a million.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: yu@pawnee.ctr.columbia.edu (Yanbin Yu)
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:06:10 GMT
X-Posted-From: pawnee.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <17AUG199211495637@vxcrna.cern.ch> ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
>
>Which is unfortunate.  True, *governments* and *businesses*
>in both countries will run whether there is an apology or not.
>But something is lost if the Japanese government does not
>do something in facing the past.  There will always be this
>barrier between the two *peoples*.  And it will be felt at the
>personal level as well, generation after generation.  It does
>not have to be that way.  Germany and the rest of Europe have
>laid the past to rest because Germany has satisfied the
>requirements of providing true education to its people and
>compensation to other nations (including the state of Israel).
>
>It's true not all nations apologize and no apology will ever be
>enough.  But for the sake of the Japanese, Chinese, and other
>Asian peoples, the Japanese government must formally apologize
>and take corrective measures and the other Asian peoples must
>forgive.
>
>-- Makoto
>
>P.S.  Let's hope the Chinese government will not wait 50 years
>      to face the same thing for its Tianeman Square massacre.

I totally agree with this Mr. Makoto. Govnts of both Japan and
China should face the history fairly to settled the matter.
It is really bad if some tricks are done to take the advantage of
political situations in China. This will hurt Chinese people
in a short run and hurt Japanese people in a long run.

However, I don't think it will take 50 years to settle the TAM,
though it is a different matter.
YYB



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