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From: uemura@isl.melco.co.jp (Joe Uemura)
Subject: Re: HILL TO WILLIAMS !
Organization: Mitsubishi Electric, Ofuna, Kanagawa, Japan
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:54:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.165333.10945@gssec.bt.co.uk> squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg) writes:

 |	  BBC Teletext proclaimed last night that Williams were to announce on
 |Tuesday that Damon Hill would be Alan Prosts team mate , after being the
 |official test driver for two seasons.
 |
Now that is official, would anyone care to post a quick introduction of
Damon's career so far? 

Thanks,

Joe

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: jmoreau@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Jeffrey P. Moreau)
Subject: Lime Rock status
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:20:07 GMT

Does anyone know what the status is on Lime Rock?  I heard that they
were repaving the entire track and making other modifications.
Just curious...just want to know if the main straight is still bumpy
or not! (Amongst other parts of the track!)
From: igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 willians
Date: 18 Dec 92 09:54:50 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <BzD8u8.Ky0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield) writes:
>    Who cares? Senna has driven a REAL active car- the Lotus 99t. He drove
> it to two wins.... I would say getting those wins with a new technology
> shows that Senna can drive an active car. What do you think?

I remember watching him drive races one set of tyres and going on to
win.  He mastered the totally different nature of the car and was
shatteringly fast.

ian
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: senna in indycars
Reply-To: mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 18:43:06 GMT

Senna in IndyCars.  I hope not!  His style of elitism and his
dangerous driving style should not be put up with - either in
IndyCars or F1.
Kent M. McClure
Auto racing afficionado and member of San
Jose IPMS chapter.
My views are what they are, like them or not.
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: AARWBA All-America Driver Nominees
From: Stuart_K_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Stuart Laing)
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:22:34 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Well I like the title but there are one or two little problems. You
suckers in the States can rob us of our Kiwi Fruit and then tax the hell
out of it if we do try and export it to you but you can not rob us of
our two best race drivers. Both Rod and Steve although they race in the
States and may haven forbid actual hold U S citizenship they sure as
hell are not All American they are KIWI's and bloody proud of it to.
Is this another attempt ala Mr Connor and the rest of the Spectic to
take over every thing that is good in the world.
8-^)  8-^).
( It feels almost good to aim the flame thrower in your dirction Bob,
with smileies attacht of course.)
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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Williams F1
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 00:13:26 GMT

In article <lisfs8INNh6@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
>The issue is that it has become clear that it takes a special and
>seemingly different, tallent to excell in a car with active suspension.
>The results of all uses and testing of active suspension F1 cars makes
>it clear that some very fine drivers DO NOT have the required tallent.
>The list to date of the does and don't is DO: Mansell, Hill; DON'T:
>Senna, Patrese, Berger, Piquet.

Could it be that Nigel Mansell studied, graduated, and worked as a
mechanical engineer while pursueing his racing career on the side in
his younger days? Think of it! Is this a world's first? An engineer
wins the F1 driver's championship!     |->)
-- 
Michael MY Hui  ~{~}  myhui@bnr.ca  Ottawa Canada
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From: kaybee@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.a.beaudoin)
Subject: Re: D. Hill vs A. Prost <-> Mi. Andretti vs. A Senna
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:29:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.015411.469@wes.on.ca>, tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen) writes:
> marcink@quantum.carleton.ca (Marcin Kolbuszewski) writes:
> > A discussion "D. Hill vs A. Prost"  - who is better inspired
> > me to ask a question, maybe even flame...
> > Michael Andretti tested [1993 spec but Honda engined] McLaren in Barcelona
> > and got half a second behind Senna's qualifying time in 1992 spec car.I 
> > think that it is quite quick - for a first test...
> 
> Don't forget, though, that Mikey's time was over a second behind JJ Lehto's
> in the 1993-spec Sauber (with a 1992 Ilmor engine) ...

Not to detriment the abilities of one Mike A., but the car he was
testing is certainly not the same "spec" that Senna used in qualifying
in May '92 in Spain. 

My guess is the engine is probably at least one "phase" newer, the fuel
was certainly one generation different and the aerodynamics were certainly
different for MA's test. 

I recently bought the "GRAND PRIX '92" magazine from Eric Waiter's place
and it has a chronology of the aerodynamics of a few cars in there.
McLaren, Benetton, Ferrari(and the abondonment of the twin floor concept)
were all explained in detail with sketches.  Highly recommended mag. $7.

At any rate, the car Andretti tested was not the car Senna qualified.

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From: jacquier@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Eric Jacquier )
Subject: Re: French GP struck off!
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:15:07 GMT

Someone writes

>No this is called French politics.  A French court has found Team Williams
>guilty of violating the no tobacco advertising law and has fined them several
>million (US$ value), because the cars bore Camel advertising in the Australian
>GP and French television showed Williams cars when it broadcast the race.
>I don't see where a French court has jurisdiction over what a British company
>does on Australian soil, but there it is.  If Team Williams set foot in
>France, their equipment could be impounded to pay the fine.  Because there is
>no guarantee that this sort of thing won't happen, FISA have cancelled the race.

This ruling is about sure to be struck down. The new law is indeed very strict
for events taking place INSIDE France, but it also explicitly allows TV's to
broadcast sporting events with tobacco advertising that take place OUTSIDE
France. 
Also, as someone also said before, FISA's canning the French GP, has nothing to
do with truck drivers or farmers.

This said, it's indeed strange why the idea of running the French GP with the
letters (Marlboro, etc...) did not come up openly as an alternative, if it's
already done somewhere else.
The only rational explanation I see is that the tobacco sponsors blocked it.
There is a power play going on. If that kind of stuff spreads, they are out
(sooner!, they are out anyway within 40-50 years) They can slow down the
spiral if they put pressure on FISA, so that FISA itself puts pressure on the
countries that would adopt such laws, by cancelling the events.

Second paragraph is just my hypothesis (consistent with the data :-) )
EJ

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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: French GP struck off!
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:24:05 GMT


In article <Bz9Cry.4C4@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,
cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield) writes:
|>
|>>F1 teams that are based in France and are sponsored by tobacco companies
|>>(what is the current status of Ligier?) are in trouble.
|>
|>   Isn't this the most amazing part of it all???  Ligier, a team based
|>in France, so it is co-owned by the Socialistic French government, is
|>also sponsored by a partly government-owned cigarette company. Why did
|>the French decide to attack a British company, when they had their own
|>goddamnmed company within the government itself???? I'll tell you why.
|>The French government is so STUPID it escapes words. Oh hell, I forgot,
|>the other French team, Larrousse, is sponsored by Japanese cigs. But 
|>who cares, since France is obviously willing to protect its own damned
|>iterests. I better quit while I still have some composure.

It wasn't the French government that filed the court suit.  It was a private
non-smoking activist group.  They went after Williams because (1) as the
championship team, it gets them more publicity, and (2) Williams has deeper
pockets (and non-French-government-supported pockets, at that) than Ligier
or Larrousse.

What astounds me is that the French court didn't simply refuse to hear the
case, as it involves an event taking place outside France and not involving
French citizens or companies.  Were this sort of suit to be brought in a US
court, it would be thrown out immediately--the court would tell the plaintiff
to file in Australian court.  Now, if the anti-smoking lobbyists went after
the television company that broadcast the race in France, or maybe FOCA and FISA,
that might be a valid complaint.  Williams have no control over the broadcast
of GP races in France.

--PSW
From: Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Williams F1
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:34:33 GMT
X-Mailer: mail-news 2.0.3


Just announced that Damon Hill will be the second driver to Alain 
Prost on the Willaims Team.

I reckon he will be better than Prost and if he competes in all the races
may well end up with more points.

Alan
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From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Re: F1 calenders
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 01:12:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.190310.13691@u.washington.edu> oberem@carson.u.washington.edu (Graham Oberem) writes:
>giants@wpi.WPI.EDU (J Scott Kearney) writes:
>
>
>>	I have a general question.  A few days ago, someone posted the
>>address for RP Enterprises at.... for F1 calenders.
>
>Is this the same calendar reviewed in Autoweek (Dec 14th, page 13)?  They
>gave it a big thumbs down.  I quote (without permission): "if you need
>a calendar to pencil in Aunt Gladys' birthday, this one is as good as
>any.  But if you're looking for a good pictorial history of the 1992
>Formula One season, we think you will be disappointed."  That kind of
>put me off a bit.  I was thinking of gettng the Goodyear calendar
>which I saw mentioned in r.a.s. a while back.  Any comments on that
>one?

I received the Goodyear "racing" calender.  Really good pictures, generally a
single 10x17 picture with a couple of smaller ones.  There are 10 F1 pictures
Jan - Oct.  November is LeMans and December is CART.  Make sure to get this
from Goodyear, they only charge 9.95 + 3.50 for shipping.  The official F1
catalog has this exact calendar for $18.

>They give the address as:
>
>R.P. Enterprises
>1840 41st Ave. #102-233
>Capitola, CA 95010
>
>NOTE:  I have not seen this product and I have no connection with R.P.
>Enterprises.

-- 
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Toshiba America MRI, Inc.		Internet: salil@igor.tamri.com	
South San Francisco, CA  94080		Phone: (415) 872-2722 x2283
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opionions expressed are mine and only mine <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
From: danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: French GP report - Autoweek 12/14
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:32:58 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: xploit.eng.pyramid.com

Charles Queguiner writes:

|>  But i think honnestly that it would be better if a FISA rule would have said :
|>  any racing car team is allowed to receive only a part < to 50% of their budget
|> from firms not in the automobile products. This could make all F1 budget nearer
|> and could give good races with cars nearer to compete.

Hmmm.  I don't know.  For one thing, it would probably be impossible to police
such a rule with teams getting money under the table.  But even ignoring that 
problem, if there was a shortage of money from firms associated with automobile 
products, that would restrict the amount of money that could be had from non-auto 
products firms.  

What would be the positive things about such a rule, what am I missing?

Dan Jones
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: D.Hill to drive for Williams next Season
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:46:29 GMT

tdonahue@star-trek.bbn.com (Tim Donahue) writes:

>With any luck McLaren's semiautomatic gearbox and (anticipated) active
>ride will make the MP4/8 Cosworth somewhat faster than a Benetton or a
>Lotus, which means chasing the Williams boys on the twistier circuits.
>Swallow-both-feet prediction: Andretti on the top stand at Monaco.


	You are certainly brave to predict such high standards for McLaren.
I think with any luck, McLaren will be chasing Sauber and Ferrari, far
behind the Benetton's and maybe a little closer to the Loti. I am going
to make my "swallow-both-feet prediction" and say that Hill, Prosty, and
Scumacher are going to be dogfighting for much of the year. Remember that
Renault's reliability went out the window on the switch back to normal fuel,
so don't expect a repeat of Mansell's streak of 5 wins in a row. 
	But back to McLaren- their semi-automatic gearbox was pretty good,
but I don't see it completely making up for a mediocre chassis. Active
suspension might help a little, but their engines will surely be less power-
ful than Benetton's, and maybe even slightly less than Lotus'-due to TAG
electronics instead of Ford's. Benetton will have active suspension, and Lotus
will have a better active design than either Benetton or McLaren. So, Benetton
will have a edge in power over McLaren and Lotus, Lotus will have an edge in
active suspension over McLaren  and Benetton, and McLaren's semi-automatic
gearbox has come out before Benetton's or Lotus'.
	All of this is purely speculation of course, but I think Williams
will be the #1 team, slightly ahead of Benetton, Lotus, McLaren, Sauber, and
Ferrari.


TOBY...

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: hanss@microsoft.com (Hans Spiller)
Subject: Re: French GP struck off!
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:18:23 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
> >Now, if the anti-smoking lobbyists went after
> >the television company that broadcast the race in France, or maybe FOCA and FISA,
> >that might be a valid complaint.  Williams have no control over the broadcast
> >of GP races in France.

According to an OnTrack columnist (Full Chat, Dec 25 issue), the pressure to
go after Williams came not from anti smoking lobbyists, but French tobacco
companies who would get a larger market share if foreign tobacco companies
were harrassed.  I find this hard to believe myself, but then I find the whole
thing hard to believe...fuel to the fire.

In the collection of essays published under "Letters from Earth", Mark Twain
reserves a special place for his hatred of the French.  I can't remember the
name of the essay, sorry.  Most of his vehemence was directed at frequent
acts of extreme, self destructive chauvanism, particularly by individuals
in power.  Some things never change.

			-Hans
			hanss@microsoft.com
			some of my best friends grew up in France
From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McLaren's new engine
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:07:37 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Thomas Cohen (thos@suite.sw.oz.au) wrote:
> Yes. Given that they were only as fast as they were this season because
> the Honda gave so much power, and that the Benettons were not substantially
> slower with the top HB, then look for a significant drop in speed from
> the McLaren team.
> 
> I reckon the teams pecking order next year will be :
> Williams
> Benetton
> Sauber/McLaren <= and I think McLaren will only be this
> 	high because of their experience.

Hmmm, I think Lotus will be showing McLaren a thing or two, if they can get
their reliability sorted out a little more... same engine, better chassis...

Pete
--
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From: eu507dac@pts.mot.com (DOUG CHRISTENSEN X3915 P6818)
Subject: Re: Racers vs Race Fans
Reply-To: eu507dac@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:11:37 GMT

In article 724629012snx@scotty.mv.com, scs@scotty.mv.com (Steve Scott) writes:
>....This is not intended to be a flame but I can remember 3-4
>years ago when this newsgroup was relatively new and there were
>quite a few racers that subscribed. There were always race 
>reports from various types of formula, from karts to FF1600 to
>formula Atlantic, Trans-Am, Rallying, and even Mini-stocks
>(stock cars).
>  So, what's going on?, Are we, the racers simply drowned in
>a sea of autosports critics who in my humble opinion know next
>to nothing about the real side of the sport? Or, is it that 
>there are no more racers that read and post to this newsgroup?
>Maybe the few racers that do subscribe feel that nobody wants 
>to hear what they have to say...if that's the case, you`re 
>wrong, because I for one would much rather read some real-life
>accounts of trials, triumphs, or even failures, rather than
>someone`s opinion on who`s fault it was that caused some alter-
>cation or why someone is a bonehead for not getting out of the
>way of the poster`s favorite driver.
>
>Maybe it was intended to be a flame.
>
>I`ll post a followup to this soon because I'd like to know
>exactly how many subscribers do in fact race.
>
>I hope there'll be a couple reports from New Zealand on the
>formula pacific series going over [our] winter.
>
>Steve Scott        Manchester, NH.,USA       scs@scotty.mv.com
>Karting: Racing's best kept secret.
>
>
I'm game.  I'll start posting goings on in Firehawk.

BTW, Steve, do you have an address for WKA.  I have a son that will be 5 soon.
Can't start too early you know.

---
Doug Christensen    SCCA SSB Scirocco 16V
doug_christensen@pts.mot.com
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    is just waiting."  Steve McQueen, Le Mans.

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: trubik@hydra.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Subject: IndyCar .GIF's
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 04:46:30 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

Some of my photos of this year's 500 are being scanned into
.GIF format by Bob Glover, who posts a lot of good racing
pictures to alt.binaries.pictures.misc

I was going to post mine to that group as well, but was told
by a friend who reads r.a.s that many sites do not subscribe
to any of the picture newgroups.  SO . . .

If there's enough interest (and few enough objections :) I'd
be willing to post them here, to r.a.s, instead.  If there's
not enough interest, I'll post to a.b.p.m and will try to
e-mail to the (assumed) few r.a.s readers who respond positively.

Thanks,

steven
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Tobacco etc...F1
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:34:00 +0000

charly@irisa.fr (Charles Queguiner) writes..

>in reply to Jim Sanchez,

>I can say that alcohol advertising is also forbidden in any sport
>event in France. The anti-smoke organisations were leaded by
>scientists and doctors, not especially by all the french government.
>The problem of F1 sponsorship is a side effect of the anti-smoking
>law. I am not sure to see next F1 season and i am sad of it.

> But i think honnestly that it would be better if a FISA rule would
> have said : any racing car team is allowed to receive only a part <
> to 50% of their budget from firms not in the automobile products.
> This could make all F1 budget nearer and could give good races with
> cars nearer to compete.

Nah. All that would happen is that I would get an ashtray made by
Silk Cut in my Jaguar :-)

Itsa car part innit?
From: squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk (Stephen Quigg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: HILL TO WILLIAMS !
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:53:33 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Systems and Software Engineering Centre, Scotland.


-- 

	BBC Teletext proclaimed last night that Williams were to announce on
Tuesday that Damon Hill would be Alan Prosts team mate , after being the
official test driver for two seasons.

Yipeee !

Stephen Quigg
squigg@gssec.bt.co.uk 
British Telecom , GSSEC , Glasgow
(Nothing in any of my mail represents my Employer in any way)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor)
Subject: Re: Various threads.
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 12:53:34 GMT

In article <lj4eo3INN1jn@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
>From article <1992Dec18.081247.9240@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>, by marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti):
>> Interesting.  Is Rover still a British Leyland company?  (Are Jaguar?)
>
>Don't know about Rover.  Jaguar has been a property of Ford Europe for
>1.5 to 2 years now.

British Leyland does not exist anymore, it is now called Rover and is owned
by British Aerospace.

Helene.

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Cheever Signs
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:35:07 GMT

Surprised I didn't see this posted already:

I learned yesterday that Eddie Cheever has
signed on to replace Ted Prappas over at
P.I.G. (Personal Investment Group) Racing
for the '93 Indycar season.  They'll be
running a '92 Penske/ChevB.

For awhile, John Andretti was slated for
this seat.

bob
From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Williams F1
Date: 17 Dec 1992 19:29:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <1992Dec16.103237.4303@mic.ucla.edu>, by brims@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu (George Brims):
> How many more boring days until the season starts?
> 
Steve McQueen in Le Mans: Racing is life.  Anything that happens before
or after is just waiting.

Chris
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: French GP report - Autoweek 12/14
Reply-To: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:09:45 GMT

From this week's (12/14)  Autoweek:

"BLOWING SMOKE? Next year's French Grand Prix could be cancelled due to a
row over tobacco advertising with the Monaco GP possibly threatened, too.

The Comite National Anti Tabagisme (CNAT), a group of anti-smoking
campaigners, has jumped the gun on a French reform due to take 
affect at the beginning of 1993 and managed to obtain a
court judgement against the Camel-sponsored Williams F1 team
over teh logos shown during the French telecast of the Australian
Grand Prix. The CNAT reportedly has persuaded French television
companies to agree not to show events involving tobacco sponsorship.

Williams could have its equipment seized if it ignores a $5-million
(yes kiddies $5 million according to Autoweek) fine. FISA president
Max Mosley has asked Jean-Marie Balestre to appeal to the 
French government."


Ric Golen

(p.s. to Terri Powell....you see when there is something really
interesting, I don't have to do my Sandi Andretti schtick  :-)  )