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From: Dave@usppc.abb.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: MIPS vs VUPS
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:31:44 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I've eagerly awaited DIGITAL to provide SPECmark ratings for its
current VAXEN.  My little company provides interactive simulations
for the electric power generation industry.  Having SPECmark ratings
done by the book helps us to size a machine.  Knowing how a plant
model behaves on one machine characterized by its SPECmark rating,
we can make a good estimate of its performance on another.

Since 1 VUP is 1 SPECmark give or take compiler advancements,
perhaps VUPs are sufficient.  Unfortunately, VUP measurements
can be made by DIGITAL any way it wants to.  I suspect similar
things are happening with the SPECmark.  The world is full of
rumors about BETA compilers that never see the light of day and
secret compiler switches.  To claim SPECmarks a vendor is supposed
to follow the SPEC protocol and make a complete report of the
machine configuration, operating system, compilers, and libraries
used.  I don't know if this extends to the compiler switches used.

SPECmarks don't tell the whole story for us because the model
may be used in a replica simulator which has to have predictable
behavior that appears to proceed at the same rate as the real
process across the street.  Here kernel and process behavior 
design are important.  No amount of careful design can compensate
from too much model on a too little computer.

The SPICE component of the SPECmark is similar to several of our
models.  The SPECmark is a good technical mix.  It doesn't help
"personal productivity," commercial, or transaction developers
one bit.

Dave Hamby			Dave.Hamby@usppc.abb.com
ABB Power Plant Controls

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: helen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu (Helen Rapozo)
Subject: Re: system tuning help request
Organization: Honolulu Community College
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:07:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.005140.21238@npal.rn.com> sbrant@npal.rn.com writes:
>anyway, I was wondering if anyone could offer some expert guidenance.
>
>Running VMS 5.4-3 and using vi for editor.  Problem:
>
>with no other jobs running, can be typing along and all of a sudden,
>everything come to a halt.  No chars on screen.  Wait 5 secs and all
>starts up again and chars on screen are printed catching up with those
>typed while on hold.  This is very strange and getting quite annoying.
>
>It is like the system is going off to do some job that takes everything
>I have for about 5 secs, then comes back to me.  
>
>Nothing I have found sets this off.  It will occur when typing a line
>and I can type several line, or sometimes several words and wham.
>
>Watching the system on a second port with MON CLU while in vi on first
>port show only about 10% CPU, 15% mem, 1% disk, and 0 Locks.  And not
>much changes even when the problem hits on the other port.
>
>The 'hold time' seems to be constant, always about 5 secs, then it comes
>back.
>
>I have autogened the system several times and have also tweeked several
>items in modparams based on input from several other sys mans to 'improve'
>system performance.  System performance does not seem to improve much 
>no matter what I have done.  
>
>Again, running VMS5.4-3 on 16 meg ram, MVII.
************
By any chance is this system connected to an Ethernet network and
the terminals that freeze are connected to terminal servers?

If so the problem might be network related and the freeze might
be due to network collisions caused by something in the network.

>
>any suggestions or ideas are most welcomed.  If there is interest in
>system tuning,  I will be most happy to summ up all e-mail and post as
>a FAQ.  or can add it here as an addition to the listserver for mail access.

Honolulu Community College            cs_rapozo@hccadb.hcc.hawaii.edu
874 Dillingham Blvd.                  helen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu
Honolulu, HI 96817                    rapozo@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
Ph#: (808) 845-9202
From: gezelter@rlgsc.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: BACKUP Question
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:32:07 GMT
Organization: Robert Gezelter Software Consultant, Flushing, NY

In article <9211062238.AA11641@hermann.barra.COM>, louis@BARRA.COM (Louis Dunne) writes:
>>Um taking the tape from the drive and putting it somewhere secure
>>always seems to work for me 8^]
>>
> 
> ....
> 
> 	There are many steps you can do to prevent everyday users from using
> 	your tape drive(s) and/or tapes. My suggestion would be a device
> 	level ACL on the tape device(s), and change the device protection to
> 	prevent world (and maybe group) access. Then grant that identifier
> 	to the "authorized" users of the device. If there are a small number
> 	of users who you want to restrict, then do the resverse. Put an ACL
> 	on the device which prevents access by a set of users; then grant
> 	that identifier to those users. I think this is the reasonably
> 	easy "painfree" solulion.
> 
> 	Remember, it's important to do something about this if it affects
> 	your site. If you don't you'll get hit eventually. Esp if your
> 	an educational institution with students who have a spare time
> 	playing with this kind of thing!
> 
> Louis
>        -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>      /  VMS/UNIX Systems                    /  Internet:   louis@barra.com   /
>     /                                      /   Phone:      +1 510 649-4229  / 
>    /    BARRA, Inc.                       /    Fax:        +1 510 548-4374 /
>   /     1995 University Ave., Suite 400  /                                /
>  /      Berkeley, CA 94704              /                                /
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
-- 
Louis,
 
While an ACL will do the job, it also makes the drive unavailable 
to everybody else until you come back in the morning. A less 
nasty form of protection would be to have a batch job which 
requested the tape, at which point the tape drive has already 
been allocated. The batch job can then do a WAIT until an 
appropriate time to actually run the backups.
 
- Bob
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From: jackson@pravda.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: 3100/90 or 4000/90 what's better?
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:55:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: engage.1992Nov9.195538.14925
Reply-To: jackson@pravda.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Nov6.115522.20180@netnews.alf.dec.com> "Andrew Mitcham" writes:
|>> For the record, there is no such animal as a VAXstation 3100 Model 90 (unless
|>> we came out with a workstation product that I am unaware of).  The standard
|>> flavors of VAXstation 3100 were: Model 30, Model 38, Model 40, Model 48, and
|>> Model 76.  There was, of course, the VT1300 (whose hardware platform was 
|>> based upon the VAXstation 3100) but it was intended as an Xterminal only.


True story.  The VAXstation and microVAX families share similar CPU 
technology , but not the same names.  Let me give you a rough equivalent
list of CPU performance and names from both families.  Realize taht clock
speeds are slightly different, memory configurations different and 
other options are very different from the VAXstation and MicroVAX lines.

CPU Chip	VAXstation Product			MicroVAX Product
--------	----------------------			---------------------
Cvax-90		VAXstation 3100-30/40			MicroVAX 3100 -10/20
Cvax-60		VAXstation 3100-38/48			MocroVAX 3100-10e/20e
Rigel		VAXstation 3100-76			no MicroVAX
SOC		VAXstation 4000 VLC			no MicroVAX
Mariah		VAXstation 4000 -60			MicroVAX 3100-80
NVAX		VAXstation 4000-90			MicroVAX 3100-90
							VAX 4000 Model 100
|>
|>	He should get in touch with William Jackson of the Workstation group
|>	to be sure:
|>
|>		jackson@pravda.enet.dec

You can call me Bill if you like, in fact most people do.  (I won't mention
what others call me.....)

--


William M. Jackson
Workstation Product Marketing Manager
Workstation Engineering
Digital Equipment Corporation
146 Main Street
Maynard, MA 01754

Mail:	Jackson@pravda.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: karkan@msdrl.com (Jim Karkanias)
Subject: Autodialer
Organization: Merck Research Laboratories
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:02:35 GMT

Does anyone know of a public domain or shareware program that would let me
assemble an arbitrary string of characters (representing those keys on a
telephone) and send them to a modem?  I'd like to be able to programatically
control a remote process; this process uses the phone as an interface...

Any info is much appreciated.  Thanks.

Jim
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: sasjzs@falcon.unx.sas.com (Joseph Slater)
Subject: Re: DECW$TERMINAL commandline options.
Originator: sasjzs@falcon.unx.sas.com
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:58:05 GMT
Reply-To: sasjzs@vms.sas.com
Organization: Or lack thereof
Keywords: decw$terminal


In article <1992Nov13.144229.14357@odin.diku.dk>, bjarni@diku.dk (Henrik V. Drab|l) writes:
|>Hi,
|>
|>  I am trying to set eXcursion up, so that I can run
|>commandscripts directly from icons. (ie. I wish to
|>start ALLI) However I can't seem to find any docs on
|>SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$TERMINAL commandline options.
|>
|>  The Ultrix version supports -e (like xterm), but
|>it doesn't work with VMS/motif/DECWindows. Anybody know
|>how to do something like this?
|>
|>thanks,
|>Henrik.
Hi Henrik, 
   See HELP CREATE/TERM since this is the command you use to
start up decw$terminal. The syntax is something like

  $ CREATE/TERM command-string

but there are lots of other qualifiers.

Joe Slater
sasjzs@vms.sas.com
Mine opinion is just that.
From: SYSTEM_JM@UNODE2.NSWC.NAVY.MIL ("SYSTEM SUPPORT")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Volume Sets
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:48:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Date sent:  9-NOV-1992 07:06:08 
>Bob Gezelter writes... 
>Actually there is a quite good solution to the backup of large 
>volume sets. If you manage your users by department, project, or 
>some other designator, then you can have the best of both worlds. 
>The advantages of a volume set for disk space management, and 
>backup tapes that do not span many tape volumes. 

First, I didn't mean to sound "anti-volume set" in my earlier posting.  I had
a situation once where we had to use old unreliable disks in a volume set and
were limited to 9-track tape backups.  Needless to say it created problems.  
I just wanted the original poster to realize that new files and directory 
structures get created across the entire volume set.  It's NOT as though one 
disk will fill up with data before moving on to the next disk.  Therefore, 
you'll have to backup the entire set if you lose a disk drive.  If you're going 
to have a volume set, my advice is to use high-capacity cartidge backups and 
reliable disks.  Someone mentioned that their volume set (~6GB?) took about 
3.5 hours to restore from a single cartidge - not bad!

In our case, the original volume set was being used to keep tape data on-line. 
Since the files weren't larger than 35MB, we converted from a volume set to 
multiple independent disks with a logical search list.  But, volume sets are 
still an excellent way to go if your files are excessively large like satellite 
data, LOGIN.COMS :-), etc.

Second, I agree with Bob that organizing your backups by logical disks is an 
excellent way to manage and backup your disks.  If a user is missing a file, 
it's much easier & quicker to find the file by using backups of logical disks.
Another big plus is that users can refer to the logical disk names in their 
programs instead of the physical device names.

*******************************************************************************
** Jim Matthews                                                              **
** Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Division                            **
** Code N23A                                                                 **
** Dahlgren, VA 22448-5000                                                   **
** Internet: system_jm@unode2.nswc.navy.mil                                  **
*******************************************************************************
From: MEADE@NKUVAX.BITNET ("Shawn L. Meade ** Systems Manager")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Wanted: UUENCODE for VMS
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:35:09 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

I too would like to have a copy of UUENCODE.  I also need the UUDECODE.  If
anyone can direct me to an FTP site or send it to me I would greatly appreciate
the copies.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ Shawn L. Meade                !       Northern Kentucky University           ~
~ Systems Manager               !       Academic Computing                     ~
~ BITNET: MEADE@NKUVAX.BITNET   !       Highland Heights, KY  41099-6127       ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~   Any statements made by myself are from myself alone and not my employer.   ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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I have UUDECODE for VMS but I don't have UUENCODE.
Can anybody tell me the FTP site where I can get it.
Or, just mail it to me if you have it.

Thanks in advance.

________________________________________________________________________________
                                              Stefan Powell - SPowell@TrentU.CA
From: brydon@asl.slb.com (Harvey Brydon (918)250-4312)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Problems With Mail Distribution List
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:41:59 GMT
Reply-To: brydon@dsn.SINet.slb.com
Organization: Schlumberger/Anadrill Sugar Land, TX

In article <1992Nov5.153950.1@idicl1.idi.battelle.org>, rwood@idicl1.idi.battelle.org (Rich Wood) writes:
> I have a mail distribution list containing two user names that is referenced 
> by a system-level logical, i.e.:
> 
>    mylist == "@list.dis"

You say it is a system level logical, but you have just described a symbol.
Is it really a logname or a global symbol?
 
> I recently removed one user's name from the list (user_b let's say) and
> replaced it with another (user_c).  This change has brought about some
> very unexpected results:
> 
>   - user_c gets somes messages addressed to the distribution list 
>     but does not receive others;
> 
>   - user_b continues to receive messages addressed to the list;
> 
> We've managed to narrow the problem down to a few certain users.  When
> these users send mail to the distribution list, user_c does not receive
> the messages!  These users have the logical referencing the dist. list
> set up the same as everyone else, and they get no errors when they send
> mail to the list.  User_c's mail.mai file (and it's parent directories)
> have the same file protection as all other user's mail files do.

If what you call a logical [name] above is really a symbol, you probably
define it in the login sequence somewhere.  When a process defines a symbol,
that definition takes effect and stays in effect until it is superceded or
deleted.  If you change the definition for the symbol in a command procedure
somewhere, that does not change it for a given process.  If you change the
value for your process, that does not change it for another process.  If your
process has a value for that symbol, that does not guarantee that another
process has the same value.  Sounds to me like you want to get all processes
that use this symbol to either manually redefine it from the file or logout,
login again (new process) to define it in the login sequence.  This applies to
all the people on your system that send mail to that list as well as the mail
delivery processes (DECNET, MAIL$SERVER, ...).
_______________________________________________________________
Harvey Brydon         | Internet:   brydon@dsn.SINet.slb.com
Dowell Schlumberger   | P.O.T.S.:   (918)250-4312
I bought my VAXstation from my uncle on his deathbead - I wrote him a check.
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: sys$hiber/sys$wake problems?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 00:16:44 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <BxIAFn.2p6@unx.sas.com>, sasjzs@falcon.unx.sas.com (Joseph Slater) writes:
>
>Hi folks,
> I have an application that hibernates and is awakened by ast
>routines that call sys$wake. The details are far too complicated 
>to get into here, but the calls to wake frequently happen about
>time the call is made to sys$hiber. Has anyone ever seen a sys$hiber
>return when there is (or should be) no outstanding sys$wake?

When there is no outstanding call, no.  When there should be no outstanding
call, certainly.  It's known as a bug in your code.

You might consider bracketing all your calls to $HIBER and $WAKE with code that
will store the fact you've made the call someplace.  E.g., allocate an array
and an index.  Zero both of them.  Every time you call $HIBER, set array[index]
to 1 and increment index just before the call; every time you call $WAKE, set
array[index] to 2 and increment index just before the call, if you want a
detailed record of the calls.

If you just want to confirm the fact that your code is buggy, allocate a single
variable.  Set the variable to 1 just after any call to $WAKE.  Set it to 0
just after any call to $HIBER.  Just before any call to $HIBER, check the
variable, and if it's set to one, report the fact that there was an unexpected
call made to $WAKE.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,cern.vms,slac.vms,vmsnet.mail.misc
From: dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com (David Leikam)
Subject: Re: VMSMAIL: %MAIL-E-NOTISAM (file organization changed)
Keywords: ISAM MAIL FILE ORGANIZATION
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:57:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.110813.17227@dxcern.cern.ch> aimar@dxbt00.cern.ch (Alberto Aimar SL/BT tel 2564) writes:
>  I had to move all my .MAI files from VMS to Ultrix to have
>some disk space available.
>
>When I copied the files back to VMS I saw (with DIR/FULL)that the 
>"File Organization" attribute of all the files changed to "Sequential"
>--------------------
>How can I changed the file organization of the .MAI files?
>Or what trick/tool/command can I use to recover my .MAI files ?

   Ut-oh. You may need to get your sysadmin to help you with this one.
Basically, you need to get a valid FDL descriptor from a known-good
mail file, (obtained with the ANALYZE/RMS/FILE command), and use it
to change your bad files using the CONVERT utility.

  It's not impossible, or even that difficult, but it does take someone
who knows what they're doing.

-- 
dkl@xcluud.sccsi.com | My company doesn't know Usenet exists, and my boss
and other places,    | would have kittens if he thought I spoke for them.
even more unsavory.  | My opinions are better than theirs anyway.
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: gvrod@isuvax.iastate.edu (R Eldridge, VMS FOREVER)
Subject: Re: VUE$ callbacks
Reply-To: gvrod@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:27:02 GMT

crobw@CUPID.CURTIN.EDU.AU writes:
>Does anybody know where to find the documentation on the Fileview call back
>routines. These are the things which appear in .COM files called by Fileview.
>
>Typical sorts of calls (from VUE$DECTERM.COM):
>
> [...deleted...]
>
>I recall seeing printed documentation somewhere, but can't find it. So far no
>luck on the CDroms either.
>

They are documented in the DECwindows User's Guide, Appendix A, FileView Task
Messages. My manual is dated December 1988, VMS v5.1, Order No. AA-MG18A-TE.
___
rod eldridge
vms systems support      | gvrod@isuvax.iastate.edu
iowa state university    | gvrod@isuvax.bitnet
From: DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU ("would rather be skiing ...")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: File Management utility
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:50:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Sal Kabalani <SK0001@ACAD.DRAKE.EDU>, writes:

>I am considering writing a file management utility for internal use on our
>corporate VAX. This utility would have some of the fucntionality provided
>by LIST in the DOS world.
>
>It will be used primarily to manage files (delete, move, edit, list, print, and
>other simple functions).
[...]
>2- I dont want to re-invent the wheel. I there is such a utility that does what
>   I need, I would like to consider it, instead of writing my own. Does anyone
>   know if such a utility exists ? 
[...]

You might want to get FLIST, by Hunter Goatley, from FILESERV@WKUVX1.BITNET.  
Hunter has another file-management program there, too (written by someone
else), but I forgot the name...

FLIST is written in TPU and Macro and is quite powerful.

-Dan Wing, dwing@uh01.colorado.edu or wing_d@ucolmcc.bitnet (DGW11)
 Systems Administrator, University Hospital, Denver
From: SHOECRAFT@MC.MARICOPA.EDU (Steve Shoecraft)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Reading VMS docs on a PC...
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:58:21 GMT
Organization: The Internet


We have a the VMS Online Documentation on CD's, and our Infoserver is 
unavailable -- can I read these CD's on any other machine?? We have a PC with  
a Hitachi CD rom on it, and I was wondering whether there might be any
software out there that would allow me to use it... I would even be happy 
with something similar to the bookreader-to-ascii program (for a PC)... The PC 
is on PCSA (Pathworks), and I am capable of running DEC-Windows on it...

- Steve
SHOECRAFT@MC.MARICOPA.EDU