HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: 2.05 installation question
Keywords: User-Startup, Startup-Sequence
    <1992Oct8.182240.9670@ifi.unizh.ch>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:44:58 GMT
Distribution: usa

matija@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Matija Milostnik) writes:

>Bottom line at first: When will people learn to use the 
>User-Startup and let Startup-Sequence unchanged?
>They change Startup-Sequcne and end having problems they could avoid
>reading the manual and changing ONLY User-Startup (or putting programs
>in WBStartup).

[and so on]

Let me start by giving you a word of advice, Mr. Milostnik:  I've been on 
this net for around eight years, and I've discovered that when one acts too
superior on USENET, the gods usually conspire to make sure one is wrong.

This is one of those times.

I had 2.05 for around a month before I could actually use it (waiting
on an upgrade for the drive controller), and read the manual almost
cover-to- cover during that time.  I did see the notice not to modify
Startup-Sequence, and for the most part I followed it.  The only
changes I made were to comment out the lines that mounted Aux:, Pipe:,
and Speak:, and to remove Ram: from the path command.  All of these
lines come after Iprefs, as it happens.

What Mr. Milostnik and others have hinted around at, but nobody has
spelled out, is that the initial CLI only opens when/if something in
Startup-Sequence generates output, and Iprefs depends on the CLI not
having opened yet.  Once I understood this, the true problem was
obvious.

Which was that the Comspec drive software uses something in the
Expansion drawer to mount HD partitions other than the boot partition,
and this program happens to print status messages as it goes.  And
items in Expansion are started by the Binddrivers program.  And the
Binddrivers call comes before Iprefs.  And binddrivers didn't have a
>NIL: after it.

(Under 1.3, this was not a problem.)

Adding a > NIL: to the binddrivers call fixed the problem.  If Mr. 
Milostnik has an alternate solution that avoids modifying 
Startup-Sequence, I'd love to hear it.
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                   kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                              +1 606 257 2975
Department of Mathematics      I just thought of a neat disproof of
     Fermat's last theorem, but .signatures can only be four lines.
From: drool@retreat.Bah.Rochester.NY.US (Paul Coene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Gemini 10x printer and the Amiga
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Distribution: world
Reply-To: drool@retreat.Bah.Rochester.NY.US
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:37:17 EST
Organization: Not an Organization

Hi.  I have used my Genini 10x printer on my A2000 for quite some
time, using the Epson-Old driver with fairly good results.  Since
then, I have purchased both a 3000 and Final Copy.  The results
when sending a document are no longer good at all.  Does anyone have
a better printer driver for a Gemini 10x than the Epson-Old?  Also,
are 2000 drivers usable on the 3000?

										<: Drool :>

ARPA: drool@retreat.Bah.Rochester.NY.US   UUCP: kodak!bisco!retreat!drool
From: evermic@prism.cs.orst.edu (M.BiSON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Any BlackHole users out there>
Summary: a few questions.
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:14:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Oct09.201435.1714
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept


It seems work fine but their are a few things that make me wonder.

Basically, the very first time I used it, it crashed...in the process
of deleteing a large directory (it was ProWrite).  And when I
rebooted and tried it again, it did it again!  But then I just delted
the drawer in another manner, and then started expiremting delteing other things..  I never got it to crash again.  I even duplicated large directories and
and then delted them, and no probs.  Bad luck or?  

My second problem, is the fact that when you click on the black hole
icon, it should come up with a little window so you can change options.
Well, it does for a while right after boot-up, but lets say, I do some
stuff, and then come back and try to bring up the menu, it won;t come up.
But the program is still running, since it will delted things fine.
So does anybody else have simular problems?  I run a number of things
on bootup...and maybe something is interfering...who knows...

-MIC

p.s.  If the aurthor of BlackHole is out there, then I'd love to discuss this
problem with him,.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
From: mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon)
Date: 10 Oct 92 18:08:46 EST

I quote from Amiga World (November 1992 issue):

	One chip missing from Commodore's newest machine (A4000) is
	the A3000 display enhancer, which creates a non-interlaced,
	flicker-free display.  Because of the increased bandwidth and
	programmability of the chips (the AA chips), software can
	define a deinterlaced, flicker-free screen, provided you
	use a multisync monitor.

The AA chipset also has a fourfold increase in bandwidth effectively
quadrupleing the performance speed of the graphics, not to mention
the 32-bit access to chip memory as aposed to the older 16-bit chip set.
It also has several new, and inhanced old screens as well as a full
24-bit color palette, try HAM displays with 256,000 colors instead of
4096.   You need to here more? then read the article.

-MN
-- 
Michael Neylon   aka Masem the Great and Almighty Thermodynamics GOD!
      //         | Senior, Chemical Engineering, Univ. of Toledo
  \\ // Only the |   Summer Intern, NASA Lewis Research Center
\  \X/   AMIGA!  |         mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu           /
Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.misc:15189 comp.sys.amiga.emulations:4386
From: givler@bermuda.cbm.commodore.com (Greg Givler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: WB Prefs and Janus 2.1 problem
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:12:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbmvax.35918
Organization: Another Amiga UNIX System

In article <1992Oct13.193445.13545@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> bjbernstein@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>
>  I need some help.. recently I re-installed Janus 2.1 onto my hard drive. 
>I am running 2.04 on a 2500/30 with an A2286..  What happened is this:
>
>  I have a 1960, so I'm allowed a little overscan. But now, since I 
>re-installed 2.1, my overscan prefs seem to be screwed a little; the first 
>thing I see on the screen is the stock grey scales of 2.04, and then the 
>screen colors reset to my settings, but the overscan does not exist.. All 
>during this time, there is an intuition requestor on the screen saying 'to 
>reset screen prefs, etc.. ' bascially, the same requestor you would get 
>after changing to another screen mode while still having Shell open..
>
>  I looked in the prefs directories and I don't see anything wrong (eg: 
>RWED flags screwed up, etc)..
>
>  This is QUITE aNNOYING, because I also have some 'left out' icons which 
>have to be moved back to their proper position everytime I boot up (Yes, I 
>have tried snapshotting them, but it doesn't seem to last after a reboot)
>
>  Any ideas? Please reply in email, as this has been posted on more than 
>one base.
>

I can't see anyway that Janus2.1 is messing with workbench, unless you are
trying to launch something from wbstartup that is interfering with 
IPrefs. I run a NTSC High Res Laced screen at 666X452 on my Amiga 3000T 
here at work and have never had any problems. 

Do you have anything in your WBStartup and if you do what tool types do 
you have set.

Also do have anything that is possibly writing to the initial shell this 
can sometimes delay IPrefs from kicking in, because it will wait until
the shell goes away.

>
>@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>@@ Brian Bernstein (Drone)           @@ "I'm a white dread, I'm a white   @ 

Greg

-- 
Greg Givler                 | "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics"
Commodore Product Assurance | - Mark Twain
givler@cbmvax.commodore.com |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Good C Programming book required
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:24:22 GMT

In article <9210101835.aa25585@gate.demon.co.uk> steve@donald.demon.co.uk writes:
>Can anyone recommend a good book on C programming for the Amiga? Not too
>basic, but not over technical. I can't seem to find any in the computer shops
>around here.

Two I can recommend right off the bat:  "C: A Programming Language" by
Kernigan and Ritchie (the original Bible) and "C Primer Plus" from SAMS
Publishing.

-- 
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NCR -- Torrey Pines Development Center | jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: earl@rtsg.mot.com (Brent R. Earl)
Subject: max partition size (1.3 and/or 2.04)?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:55:11 GMT

I have just added a maxtor 340meg to my amiga 2000. (gvp hc+2
controller).  I have it partitioned into two 108 meg partitions
and one 107 meg.  When I check with info, it reports 76m for the
108s, and 75m for the 107.  Any clues?  (I haven't looked under
2.04 yet).

I also looked through the docs, and rkms and couldn't find any
partition limits.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jon@stat.tamu.edu (Jon Davis)
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:56:23 GMT

  After reading MB's post, I have just one question.

  If the Amiga 1000 and 3000 are marginal at best, and the 2000 and 4000
are "pieces of shit", why the hell are you using one?  Just shut up and
go home already, geez.


  --Jon Davis
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 12:03:08 EDT
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Workbench 3.0 DataTypes
 <Bw7q37.27K@lysator.liu.se>

In article <Bw7q37.27K@lysator.liu.se>, boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
says:

>sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Elizabeth E Sack) writes:

>  The possibilities with BOOPSI/DataTypes are endless and I believe that
>Datatypes is only the beginning of a new era in Amiga programming! The
>only thing we need now is a decent native Objective-C or C++ compiler
>with class libraries - `emulating' OOP in C is a bit frustrating.

What about Maxon C++. I heard it's been released.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dueker@xenon.arc.nasa.gov (The Code Slinger)
Subject: Re: Need help: GIF -> IFF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Computer Sciences Corp
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:57:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.081315.15117@prl.philips.nl>, hens@prl.philips.nl (Patrick Hens 44223) writes...
>Hi,
> 
>I'm looking for a GIF to IFF converter for a 1.3 Amiga that can
>convert large files (640 x 400) in 1 Mb of RAM.
> 
>For HAM images I should be able to scale the picture in X-direction
>by 50 %.
> 
>I've tried WASP, but it can not handle large files in 'only' 1 Mb.
> 
>Thanks in advance.
> 
>Patrick Hens

Try HAMLAB.  It'll do the trick quite well.  There's been a couple of
demo versions on the Fish disks which will display pics up to (I think)
512x512 or so.  It'll convert GIF files (among many others) to HAM.

I have a 4Mb A1000 and only 512K CHIP ram, but can display many pics,
even 640x400.  Some pics much larger than that, I cannot display, but
it's not the fault of HAMLAB, it's 'cause I only gots .5Mb CHIP  :-(

Chris
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: crash@ckctpa.UUCP (Frank "Crash" Edwards)
Subject: $12/chip SCRAM price -- here's the phone number
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:24:47 GMT
Reply-To: crash%ckctpa@tct.com (Frank "Crash" Edwards)
Organization: Edwards & Edwards Consulting

Well, I received mail within the first 24 hours that BJS Electronics
wasn't in Byte.  I would've sworn that's where I got the number from.

Looking at the invoice, however, should be pretty reliable :-)

Their number (in the US) is 1-408-456-8989.  Fax at ...-8990.  I got
the RAMs today, plugged'em into my A3000, and I now have 16MB FAST for
Amix!  Every little bit helps!
-- 
Frank "Crash" Edwards            Perceptual Technologies, Inc.
Fax:  813/786-6526               [Our office is moving; watch this space
Home: 813/786-3675               for the new phone number.]
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A1200 IS THERE !!!
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:05:49 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

mwelie@cs.vu.nl (Welie van M) writes:

>The A1200 is there , here are some features :
>68EC020 at 14,19 MHz (PAL) max 16 Mb
>A sockel for a 68881 or 68882
>32-bit architecture
>AA-chipset (with Lisa and Alice)
>OS 3.0
>1 or 2 Mb Chipmem
>Looks like a A600
>880 Kb diskdrive
>Optional 2.5" IDE harddisk (A1200HD)
>a PCMCIA slot for RAM,ROM and Flash-rom modules

>The A1200 is about 5 times faster than a standard A500.


Mmm... interesting.  I hope C= will sell this for (way) below us$1000  
(monitor included).

Let's see... so we have a highend $2800 machine, and we have a lowend 
$1000 machine... we definitely need some mid-range in between...

so... how 'bout an A4000/ec030 for $1800?? (monitor included)

>-----------------------------------------------------------
>Martijn van Welie and Bastiaan Schonhage.
>mwelie@cs.vu.nl and spschonh@cs.vu.nl
>VU Amsterdam , department of Computer Science.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:56:11 EDT
From: <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: A1200 IS THERE !!!

In article <1992Oct16.145126.411@sol.cs.wmich.edu>, 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu
(The Bewildered One) says:

>mwelie@cs.vu.nl (Welie van M) writes:

>>The A1200 is there , here are some features :
>>68EC020 at 14,19 MHz (PAL) max 16 Mb

>Hmmm, no scsi and no zorro slot for scsi.  No high density drive.
>And worst of all an ec020.  Got a news flash for you.  There is no such
>beast as an ec020.  020 is stripped bear anyhow.  But just in case it
>was an ec030.  Arrgggg no mmu.

You're wrong! There is an EC020. Even an EC000. As you might expect, there
is no huge difference - just stuff like pin-out change (signals removed and/or
added), packaging differences, etc. Nothing to affect the programmer (to my
knowledge). The EC020 would make sense in a A600-replacement machine...
obviously it's low-end only.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: jw@jwdata.se (Johan Widen)
Subject: Re: Sony CD-ROM Drive (CDU-541) on Amiga?
Originator: daemon@sics.se
Organization: Johan Widen Data AB
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:06:12 GMT

In article <drew.03ip@bootrom.MtRoyal.ab.ca>, Steve Drew writes:

> In article <rUvMr*1m5@jwdata.se> jw@jwdata.se (Johan Widen) writes:
> > I have a Sony CD-ROM drive, model CDU-541. Is it possible to use this
> > on the Amiga. If so what SCSI-controller and filesystem have you used?
> > I have tried it on an Evolution SCSI-controller with the Asim filesystem,
> > but no luck (this drive is not one of those supported by Asim, it is
> > not even mentioned in the manual).
>
> Mine works both with Xetec or Canadian Replicas CDFS. Although Xetec is
> a better all around package in my opinion. I'm using a ICD controller
> but also works on 2091 and GVP controllers.

I now have the Sony drive working with the Asim CD-ROM file system.
My thanks to Dan Barrett who pointed out that the Sony drive has a bug
in its SCSI protocol (they are "SCSI reselection bugs"). The drive works
if it is the *only* drive on the SCSI bus.

My Amiga now has two SCSI-interfaces: one (A2091) for the Sony drive
and another (Evolution) for my hard disk.

A big thanks for the help. This is great, I suddenly have an additional
500 megabytes online.

Johan Widen				Tel: +46 8 59 120 120
Johan Widen Data AB			Fax: +46 8 59 127 761
Hugingatan 20, S-195 52 MARSTA, SWEDEN	Internet: jw@jwdata.se
From: orovner@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Oleg Rovner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:46:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Oct7.193356.6639@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
[~50 lines of drivel]
>   BTW, so far the odd-numbered Amigas (A1000 and A3000) have turned out to
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^         ^^^^^     ^^^^
[~10 more lines of drivel went here]

Mark Barret, the New Math guy... 
-- 
Libertarian in '92, nothing else makes sense.* orovner@ucsd.edu 
Just say NO to Bush/Quyale and Clinton/Gore! * oleg@crumpet.cts.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Subject: Public screen utility?
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:01:14 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5
Keywords: public screens

I'm looking for a particular type of utility for use with OS2.0 public
screens.  I already have a utility to open and close them (which can be
called from a command line so I can set up a separate public screen from
a startup-sequence, and not have to do it interactively each time I boot
my system).

What I want now is a small utility which makes the frontmost public
screen into the default public screen at all times.  In other words, if
I run a program from a shell window on public screen "foo", I want my
program to show up there.  If I then flip to public screen "bar", and
run a program, I want to see this program on "bar" now, not "foo".  Most
public screen managers seem to require *explicit* selection of the
default public screen.  I want *implicit* selection.  This, coupled with
"shanghai" mode set on all screens, would make public screens much more
usable, IMHO.  I have looked for such a thing, but haven't found one.
It doesn't sound like a difficult thing to write as a small commodity.
Has anyone done it?

On a related note, has is it possible to specify an alternate background
for public screens?  I use workbench in a backdrop window on my main
screen to get a nice background pattern different from my windows.
However, on public screens, I'm back to the old "1.3 style" of screens
and windows having the same background color, which makes the inside of
windows difficult to visually differentiate from the outside.  Is there
a utility which lets public screens specify a custom backdrop?  I tried
one of the old 1.3 utilities which did that, but it tried to change the
screen running workbench instead, even with "shanghai" mode on and the
default screen set to the alternate public screen.  Is there one
specifically for OS2.04 that understands public screens?

If I had these two things, I'd probably end up using public screens a
lot more than I do now.  Right now, I always end up switching to a new
public screen, running a program, and wondering why it hasn't showed up,
when it really went to the last public screen I was using because I
haven't changed my default yet.

  - steve
From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Oct  1 1992
Date: 09 Oct 92  10:09:00

> Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
> From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
> Message-ID: 1992Oct9.202700.1317@news.iastate.edu
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
>
>   You are posting nonsense.  The "flicker-fixing" features of the A4000 is
> done entirely in software, and I do not trust software as much as
> hardware.

No, its NOT.  "Promotion" is an OS feature, howerver, it requires the new
HARDWARE of the A4000.  The new non-interlaced IE "flicker-fixed" modes of
the A4000 are done IN HARDWARE WITH THE AGA CHIPSET.

> With the A3000, all screens can be promoted to 31Khz through hardware,
> which
> cannot be bypassed by any software program.  With the A4000, if a program
> explicitly opens an interlaced NTSC or PAL screen, the screen will flicker
> and there will be nothing you can do about it.  On the A4000 there are

And who's fault is that?  Let met tell you:  THE SOFTWARE WRITERS!  Its NOT
Commodore's fault!  Its not the A4000's fault!  Its the fault of software
that does not use the display database in 2.0/3.0.

Bitch and whine to the software makers!!  (not that they'll listen to the
likes of you).

> also
> no facilities available to promote non-interlaced 640x200 or 320x200
> screens to 31Khz to remove the scan-lines.

DblNTSC.  You CAN do it.

>   The real test is to hook a monitor to an A4000 than can only handle
> frequencies from 27Khz and higher.  If, during normal usage of the
> computer
> (the usage of Super HiRes or Super72 modes not counted) the display ever
> reverts to garbage for whatever reason -- whether from using programs like
> DPaint or from using games -- then the A4000 is inferior to an A3000 in
> terms
> of non-interlaced display resolution.  I know for a fact that it is

It wouldnt be the A4000 that would be inferior, it would be the SOFTWARE
which doesnt understand how to properly use the display-database.

> -!-
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> -!------------------------------------------------
>              A4000: JUST SAY NO!!!

(your signature included unchanged so that people's kill-files will work)


--- Maximus 2.00
From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: How to "leave out" the trashcan
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:57:52 -0700
Reply-To: EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <70491@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt2038a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt2038a gt2038a BROWNING,CHRIS SHERMAN) writes:
> Have you ever tried to leave out the trashcan under 2.04 so that it would
> be accessible for whatever you are doing?  Unfortuately, it doesn't work.

What I use on my system is DeleteTool which puts an AppIcon on my Workbench
which I can drag stuff into.  I can't remember where I got DeleteTool - perhaps
it was bundled with ToolManager or something...  The thing I really like about
this tool is that it's a real delete as well - confirm once, and it's gone - no
more of this empty trash stuff.

-- 

Ed Wilts, BC Systems Corp., 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8
EWilts@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA   |   Ed.Wilts@BCSystems.Gov.BC.CA   |   (604) 389-3430