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From: aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos)
Subject: Re: Anthony Clark: Latest Feats
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:34:09 GMT

In article <1k0jfnINNsp6@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk>, laurie@bnr.co.uk (Laurie Constantin) writes:
|> In article <C19vLr.4A2@jabba.ess.harris.com> mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:
|> >aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos) writes:
|> >>I posted a while ago some of the incredible lifts of Anthony Clark
|> >...
|> >>Thursday: Heavy Back Day
|> >>	   Deadlifts (up to 680 for 4reps) 
|> >>           Bent over barbell row (up to 405 for 8 reps) 
|> >>	   lat pulldowns 3 sets of5 reps at 300 
|> >
|> >But why so little on the lat pulldowns?  That implies he couldn't do
|> >5 chinups (at 330 lbs).  I weigh 165 and do 6x210, and I can do 16-20 
|> >chinups.
|> >
|> 	His deadlifts are pretty poor relative to his squat and bench. Over
|> 	700 lb bench and 1025 squat are world's best feats - but 680 DLs?
|> 	The middleweight (165lb) world record DL is around the 700 mark!
|> 
|> 
Hey you're right! I think though that 680lbs is just what he uses in his 
normal workout. His max is probably much higher.... Let me check and 
see if i can find his max on the deadlift. 

|> 
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: Raw Eggs, Cooked Eggs, etc.
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:00:29 GMT

In article <1jmon7INN465@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Yes, but... (1) the biological function of egg proteins is to
>make a chick and sustain it til it hatches. Why do you need to
>do that in your bowel :-)... (2) whether a protein is denatured

[stuff deleted]

Well, I take it you're a vegetarian.  But the fact is, egg whites
are the best source of protein you're gonna find!  (whey is pretty 
good, too, I think)

Ron

From: jeffs@nmdoc1.sr.hp.com (Jeff Silva)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:48:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: 24 Vanadyl Sulfate (PROBLEM?)
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

I think that the reaction you are getting is more than likely
what we use to call a niacin rush. The 20mg of niacin is not that
much, but it can be enough to give you that flush. I also have
taken this same supplement put out by Bricker Labs. Although I
think it is a good supplement for chromium piccolinate, I don't think
it should be labeled Vanadyl Sulfate, with only 200mcg of VS. If
you are taking it for the VS, I suggest you switch to SportPharma
brand with 7.5mg of VS per tab.

--
Jeff


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Cindy Crawford Video Controversy
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Distribution: misc
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:30:29 GMT

agrawal@lipari.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal) writes:


>More importantly all these experts (?) were quick to point out that it
>is safe to do all these with a personal trainer. Now, this confuses
>me, because if neck rolls are bad, they are bad. Could someone clarify
>this for me. It seems to me that they were just being courteous to the
>Cindy Crawford's personal trainer, who was the technical expert for the
>CC video. 

Every single aerobics class I have ever taken over the last 8 years has
had an instructor who does this manuever at the end of the class, so
I'm really wondering what in hell these people are talking about.

>PS: I heard that "Penelope Ann Miller" is coming out with a fitness
>video. Actually she is 'in' one, along with several other celebrities.
>When is that coming out. Now, this is a woman....

Excuse my ignorance, but who is Penelope Ann Miller?  Where has she
appeared before?

allen
From: judith@media.mit.edu (Judith Donath)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Recommend aerobics workout tape?
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:02:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: media-la.JUDITH.93Jan25230228
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory



Look in last months (January, I think) Shape magazine for a very
detailed and comprehensive review of the last year's worth of 
workout tapes.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: TAC@ysub.ysu.edu (Troy Allen Cross)
Subject: Re: Leg Press
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:03:10 GMT

In article <-yn3syl@rpi.edu>
cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
 
>
>As for me, I usually start off with squats using a bodybuilder's stance
>(i.e. feet slightly less than shoulder width, toes out slightly).  My
>next movement is usually presses, with my feet touching and placed high up
>on the platform.  With such a close stance, you shift much of the stress to the
>outer quad (vastus something-or-other).  Of course, you don't have to do these
>this way, you have to ascess your own situation.
>
>After this, its 3 sets of hacks for the old teardrop (my seriously lagging
>leg part, sigh..) and then 3 sets of extensions.
>
If the teardrop is your seriously lagging leg part, why do you wait to
your third leg exercise to work it.  Wouldn't it make more sense to work
it first while it is fresh?  Just curious.
 
Troy
From: agrawal@lipari.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Cindy Crawford Video Controversy
Date: 22 Jan 1993 14:23:18 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: misc
NNTP-Posting-Host: lipari.usc.edu


About three weeks back I saw this program on Sonya Live (CNN) where
they had a number of fitness experts and the controversy was about the
Cindy Crawford video which the aerobic association (?)  is asking
Cindy to withdraw from the market because it had exercises which are
harmful for you (their claim).

One of the exercises that they mentioned was a neckroll. This is a
stretch where you stand erect, bend your head forward and then slowly
roll it around the torso. Supposedly, this exercise puts undue stress
on the vertebral column. Is this true?

More importantly all these experts (?) were quick to point out that it
is safe to do all these with a personal trainer. Now, this confuses
me, because if neck rolls are bad, they are bad. Could someone clarify
this for me. It seems to me that they were just being courteous to the
Cindy Crawford's personal trainer, who was the technical expert for the
CC video. 

What happened to the video. Did she change it? Ignore all the
controversy. What happened?

Regards

Amit

PS: I heard that "Penelope Ann Miller" is coming out with a fitness
video. Actually she is 'in' one, along with several other celebrities.
When is that coming out. Now, this is a woman....

A
Xref: sparky misc.fitness:9892 rec.martial-arts:17552
From: brad@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Brad Appleton)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.martial-arts
Subject: Looking for 2 HFL Videos
Summary: Am interested in buying if you have them
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:31:50 GMT
Organization: Harris Computers Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale,FL
NNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com

I am quite interested in two of the Videotapes available from the
folks at "Health for Life". The tapes I am interested in are called
"Power Punching", and "SynerStretch". Unfortunately, the price of
these tapes seems high to me ($60 for PP and $35 for SS).

Anyway, I am interested in hearing any comments any of you might
have on your experience with either of these tapes (are they
worth it?).

Also, If anyone is interested in selling their tape(s) to me I
might be persuaded if the price is reasonable.

advTHANXance!
______________________ "And miles to go before I sleep." ______________________
 Brad Appleton           brad@ssd.csd.harris.com       Harris Computer Systems
                            uunet!travis!brad          Fort Lauderdale, FL USA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Disclaimer: I said it, not my company! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Shoulders (was Re: Growth)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:40:14 GMT
Organization: The Hosequarium South
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: loanstar.tamu.edu
Keywords: eat more moose

In article <1993Jan26.214217.5450@brtph560.bnr.ca>, chuckr@bnr.ca (Buster Castelloe P015) writes:
|> Quick question on muscle growth.
|> Say I do three shoulder excercises, one for overall ( mil press ),
|> one for front delt and one for rear delt.
|> Does growth depend on which exercise is done first as long as I take
|> each to failure??
|> 

More important than your real question....I guess you notice that you aren't
isolating the lateral delt...that is really important for good (whatever "good" is)
shape.

Well, be prepared to get answers both ways.  Most will say it is important
to do the overall exercise first.  After that, the other exercises isolate
different heads and could probably be interchanged.  Some people will say
to do the isolation stuff first as a "pre-exhaust."

If you really don't plan on isolating the lateral delt, I say do the military
first, and do it hard.

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.running
From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Metabolic Rate question
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:06:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.001107.61147@watson.ibm.com>, dvfreese@freese.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Doug Freese) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan20.155225.24912@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
|> >In article <1993Jan19.222558.16728@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com>, harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> I agree that the Concept II ergometer is probably the best all-around
|> >|> indoor aerobic exercise device.
|> >|> 
|> >
|> >You never slept with my girlfriend (well, maybe you did) :^O
|> 
|> No, but if you post her name and telephone number we can 
|> all test this out - purely for sciencei of course. :-)
|> 

I saw an interview with the members of the music group "Right Said Fred"
("I'm Too Sexy"), in which one member described the girlfriend of the
other member as "the town bike".  Referring to the fact that everyone
had ridden her...

Nothing to do with THIS thread, of course.
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: The fittest people on the planet.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:33:02 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: athens.eng.umd.edu
Keywords: balance in life

In article <C1Hnyw.5zy@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>In article <1jm16oINNoik@bnsgd245.bnr.co.uk> laurie@bnr.co.uk (Laurie Constantin) writes:
>
>>It's very sad that bodybuilding and powerlifting can be at both extremes of
>>the health scale - on the one hand, recreational body builders and
>>powerlifters (and natural competitors in those sports) are probably a group
>>of the healthiest, fittest people on the planet.

"Healthiest, fittest people on the planet" is hardly describes a
bodybuilder. To become a world-class bodybuilder, a person must make
great compromises in their health. These people eat an unnatural diet.
They take drugs. Once every two weeks, they must lift extremely
heavy weights to achieve maximum strength, and these routines are
dangerous, especially if they are not supervised by a sports-medicine
physician.

In addition, world-class bodybuilders have weak hearts relative to their
body sizes because the intensity of their strength training leaves them no
energy for aerobic training.

By the way, "fitness or being fit" by definition refers only to the heart,
and since bodybuilders are focused on their skeletal muscles, fitness is 
inappropriate terminology.

On the other hand, bodybuilders are highly motivated people, and they
deserve admiration for having achieved a very difficult goal.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: judith@media.mit.edu (Judith Donath)
Subject: Re: Recommend aerobics workout tape?
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:04:16 GMT


Look in last month's (January, I think) Shape magazine for a
detailed and comprehensive review of last year's workout tapes.


						Judith
From: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Percentages
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:12:17 GMT
Reply-To: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


The source of the chart states "ideal" I guess "ideal" could mean what
ever you wanted it to.  In my mind ideal means "average"!  The average
person in these categories should be this % of bodyfat.  Most of the
people reading this newsgroup I would not classify as average.  We tend
to be somewhat knowledgeable about health and fitness and most of us
strive to be better than average.  I personnally measure 17.1% bodyfat
at 26 years old and feel I could go down even lower.  And I'm sure there
are people out there that are way below "ideal" and strive to go even
lower.  Also please be advised that the %'s are even lower for blacks
and asians.

As for why do the precentages go up with age, your speculations were
as good as mine.  People become less active with age and it is therefore
more acceptable to carry extra bodyfat.

Does anyone have any charts that differ from this one?  I'm sure there
are some out there.

Jennifer Brown
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Neil_MacAskill@mindlink.bc.ca (Neil MacAskill)
Subject: Shin Splints
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:36:54 GMT

I am a coach of a sport which uses mainly the muscles of the upper body. My
athletes run as part of their conditioning program. One of my athletes has
shin splints which are very painful for him and interfere with his training.

Does anyone have any info regarding shin splints and - or suggestions for
treatment.

Several other athletes are doing the same training with no complaints.

Thanks.
From: samari@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Tammy Woodley)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Shin Splints
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:53:16 GMT
Reply-To: samari@watserv.ucr.edu
Distribution: usa

In article <1jrmjcINNf0e@mojo.eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B.  
Clark) writes:
> The newsgroup, rec.running, has a detailed discussion of shin splints
> in its FAQ, as I recall.
> 
> The term "shin splints" means pain in the lower leg, and a more
> specific diagnosis is going to be one of four things.
> 
> You should not make the athlete you're coaching do any exercise that
> contributes to the pain. The only treatment is rest, and rehabilatation
> doesn't begin until after the athlete can exercise the leg without pain.
> 

Yes, the FAQ is very helpful and it points out that the reason why we get them  
is due to the muscle on the back of the calf being stronger than on the front.   
An excercise that it suggests to do is what I call the "stair lift".  Anchor  
your toes on the end of the stair and lower your heal past the edge of the  
stair, lift up, go down, lift up, go down etc....  This should help strengthen  
the muscle in the front. :)

Good luck!  
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Subject: Re: Cindy Crawford Video Controversy
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:15:24 GMT

Well, I am 5'6'' and my ideal healthy but look great weight is about 115.
BUT I have a fairly large bone structure. Cindy may have a lighter structure
(she must, by her photos) and even with her extra 4 inches, may be able to
maintain a 120 lb. weight. It can't be easy unless she is very fit.
My point is that she is advertised as normal, an answer to the pathologically
thin modelling ideal, and I think she is still a LONG way from normal for
most women.

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: obrennan@tornado.cc.umr.edu (Gerry O'Brennan)
Subject: Missouri State Records (Drug Free)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:55:49 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University
Keywords: record

Anyone have information pertaining to Missouri state records (men or women) 
by weight class for bench press, squats and dead lifts? Information for
US and World records would also be interesting to me. I am only interested
in drug-free feats.

Also, are there regular Missouri state meets sponsored by the various 
drug-free weight lifting organizations, and if so, where can this
information be found (i.e. are there organizational magazines to subscribe
to or locate in a bookstore)?

Any information would be appreciated. If you want to respond directly,
you can send e-mail to obrennan@umr.edu.

Gerry O'Brennan
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Raw Eggs, Cooked Eggs, etc.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:48:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu

In article <memo.887556@cix.compulink.co.uk> monster@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>>Group: misc.fitness
>>From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
>>Date: 20/ 1/93 21:16:03
>>Subject: Re: Raw Eggs, Cooked Eggs, etc.
>>Have you thought about whether you should eat much in the way
>>of eggs anyway? The yolk is full of bad stuff, like fat and
>>cholesterol.
>>Brian
>
>  Cholesterol is a precursor to testosterone according to *a-book-I-read* and
>eating whole eggs is consequently a good thing.
>
I have heard it argued that there is already too much testosterone
in the world (oops, wrong newsgroup!). But seriously, death by
heart attack is a high price for some small theoretical bump
in hormone level through increased ingestion of cholesterol.

Brian




Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Subject: Re: It is more than perspective
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:57:41 GMT

While I support the rights of the individual, and I agree that any adult who
is clearly aware of risk has the right to choose to do risky things, I have
two problems with the behaviour of the young man in question.
First, what he is doing is not merely risky, but proven to be harmful. It is
not  a question of IF he will be harmed, but HOW MUCH.
Second, I find it worrisome that in pursuit of a certain fashionable look, a
certain physical "ideal" (emphasize the quotes!), someone would engage in
destructive behaviour. We are all familiar with the emotional demons which
drive young women with eating disorders, and the tragedy of their plight. It
is easy to see their behaviour as sick, because they LOOK sick....perhaps
this man's drive to be "perfect" is easier to sanction because the outward
result seems so healthy.
I find the whole thing deeply troubling!
From: samari@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Tammy Woodley)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: % fat counting at the gym....
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:40:53 GMT
Reply-To: samari@watserv.ucr.edu
Distribution: usa



Yesterday, I went to my gym (Bally's) and I asked for a %fat measurement done.
I expected the "pinch your fat" method, but instead, they took measurements  
using a tape measure around my waist, around my upper thigh and around my upper  
forearm, then they compared it to this chart full of "constants" for those  
particular measurements, and that told them what my %fat was.

My question is... is this at *all* acurate???  They figured it out to be around
20% fat...   but I can't even begin to guess whether that is about right, since  
it was the first time ever that I had it done.

All replys are appreciated. :)

P.S.  If this is one of those "beaten to death" subjects, I apologize, but I  
did not find anything in the FAQ on it. :)

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From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Raw Eggs, Cooked Eggs, etc.
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:06:31 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu

In article <1993Jan21.093549.650@hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.122821.15986@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> like food poisoning.  It was my understanding that cooking eggs in
>> some way changed to protein, and so eating them uncooked was somehow
>> better from the point of view of getting good usable protein.
>> 
>So the shape of the protein will ultimately dictate the whether or not that
>protein will be used for structural purposes or enzyme functions etc.
>When you heat a protein up to a certain degree, you break the bonds that keep
>the protein crinkled up resulting in a straightened out form.  This flat form
>loses its biological capability thus rendering the protein useless.

Yes, but... (1) the biological function of egg proteins is to
make a chick and sustain it til it hatches. Why do you need to
do that in your bowel :-)... (2) whether a protein is denatured
or native, your wickedly efficient stomack and intestines will
turn it into amino acids anyway, which is all you will get out
of *any* protein you eat.

>However, if you are eating the protein for the amino acid content, it shouldn't 
>matter whether or not the protein is denatured. 

That is the only reason to eat protein.

Brian

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: Re: 24 Vanadyl Sulfate (PROBLEM?)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:36:03 GMT

In article <16830092@nmdoc1.sr.hp.com> jeffs@nmdoc1.sr.hp.com (Jeff Silva) writes:
>I think that the reaction you are getting is more than likely
>what we use to call a niacin rush. The 20mg of niacin is not that
>much, but it can be enough to give you that flush. I also have
>taken this same supplement put out by Bricker Labs. Although I
>think it is a good supplement for chromium piccolinate, I don't think
>it should be labeled Vanadyl Sulfate, with only 200mcg of VS. If
>you are taking it for the VS, I suggest you switch to SportPharma
>brand with 7.5mg of VS per tab.
>
>--
>Jeff
>
>

Interesting coincidence:  last night, Leno had some guest who
was describing a bad experience he had, where he was on the floor, breathing
heavy and stuff, etc. - and he found out he was having an allergic reaction
to niacin.  Just thought I'd mention it, since before this thread, 
I'd never even heard of niacin "flushes".

Ron

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