HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gsmith@euterpe.uucp (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: enough already.
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:34:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.195421.4250@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com
(Bob Sarver) writes:

>At the moment, I am actually quite busy with Ronzone and Cramer, who 
>are both treating me as their worst nightmare:  a gay with the arguments 
>to embarass and defeat them.

This is not their worst nightmare.  At a guess, being totally ignored
would constitute that. But these guys are used to being outargued by
everybody, not just gays.  Presumably, they thrive on it.

My suggestion is that you don't assume you will be able to save the net
from the evil menace of Cramerism, and that you don't assume most
people want to read all about it here in any event. Those characters
read talk.politics.misc, ba.politics and ca.politics religiously. They
will quite happily argue with you there (probably for the rest of your
life) without bringing soc.motss into it at all.

>However, I will be watching to see what goes on.  Actually, *WE* will be
>watching.  Alan, Melmon, and I have formed the Anti-Cabal, the force of 
>Good to balance the Evil Cabal.  The forces of Good will endeavor to
>provide Order in the Universe, so be forewarned . . .

Thanks, but I already saw the Republican convention.
-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:57:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <BvptMs.DqH@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike
Reaser) wrote:

> If you're buying clothes to try to gain respect, I've got news for you....

There are a number of situations where arriving in a $2,500 dollar suit
will confer upon you a different treatment than arriving in an old
grey sweater and tenis shoes.  Fine restaurants.  Banks.  Job interviews.
First dates.  Proms.  Public speaking events.  In fact, in most
interactions
with strangers, there is often a desire to "look one's best."  This
basic reality is somewhat muted in the computer industry, where 'nerds'
often exult in anti-fashion statements.  But even in anti-fashion 
companies, there remain divisions which adhere very strongly to the
'dress code.'  IBM springs immediately to mind.  Marketing types have 
always been known as 'suits.'  On Wall Street, one does not see Gordon
Gekko aspirants shopping and Penny's and whipping out the flannel for
nights at Four Seasons.

I would hope this concept is nothing new to you...

Melmothra, ACC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: CABAL stuff
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:35:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.175358.18520@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.165759.6657@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>>
>>Andeyo Atashi!  KOREAN!  
>
>Sore demo ii.  anata wa ne!

Ne! Ne! Poly wa! Hagima Ry-eya, chooseyo!

(with apologies to those with a better understanding of Korean)

Shawn, who's name cannot be spelled in Korean.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@vccsouth24.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: WILSON SIGNS BILL: Calif. gets gay rights law
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:52:55 GMT

rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>> buckmr@lib110.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know if discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation in the
>>following areas is legal in California (and your own state)?
>>
>>CREDIT
>>PUBLIC ACCOMODATIONS

>According to Matt Coles of the ACLU, a court case in the
>1950's made discrimination in public accommodations based on
>sexual orientation illegal in California.  A famous gay bar,
>The Black Cat, had its liquor license suspended under some
>law that prohibited knowingly serving liquor to sexual
>perverts (or something like that).  The owner took the case
>to the CA Supreme Court and won, claiming that said perverts
>had a constitutional right of equal access to a cocktail (:-))

Well, that is cool!! And people also tell me that the Unruh Act protects Queers
in California from sexual orientation discrimination in housing? So, that would
mean that y'all just need to get credit, union practices, and education
covered.

Then again, isn't the point of legislation so that one isn't dependent upon
favourable State Supreme Courts, whose views can change. So, CA still really 
needs to get this stuff codified into law, which I believe is what AB3825 was
supposed to do [which Wilson vetoed of course].

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
 92 of the 400 richest Americans *inherited* their wealth. Source: _Details_.
From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What is "Sexual Orientation"?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 13:27:36 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Clayton Cramer (cramer@optilink.UUCP) writes:

(I've trimmed talk.politics.misc, ca.politics, and ba.politics from the subject
line because I am unable to cross-post.)

>But that's not an excuse to tell straight people that they have to hire
>homosexuals.

Clayton, when will you (and others of your ilk, be they netted like the Phil's,
or just ignorant like most of the Fundies) get it through your heads?

These anti-discrimination in employment/housing/etc. laws don't say "You have
to hire homosexuals."  Rather, they say "You cannot refuse to hire
homosexuals."  There is a subtle, but important difference there.

The first says, "if a homosexual comes to you, wanting a job, you have to hire
him/her."  I agree; that is stupid.  (I have never agreed with affirmative
action measures.)  The second says, "if a homosexual comes to you, wanting a
job, you cannot refuse to hire him/her only because s/he is a homosexual.  If
you do not want to hire her/him, you must find a reason that is directly
related to performing the job."

Do you see the difference yet?

------------------------------
                             |     "O, *Mary!*" Ron said, rolling his eyes.
Jim Drew                     |     "Ron," I said.  "Calling people 'Mary' is
jrd@frame.com                | one gay phrase whose I origin I can't figure
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       | out.  Does it come from the Virgin Mary?"
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     Once Ron stopped spitting out his beer, we
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    | racked out brains for an origin for the phrase.
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  |     "Mary Magdalene would be closer," Ron said.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     I suggested Mary Pickford.  Val brought up
                             | the nursery rhyme, "Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary."
                             |     "Easy!" said Tam.  "Mary, Queen of Scotts!"
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Not the only one!
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:13:02 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <69587@hydra.gatech.EDU> vbsupdi@prism.gatech.EDU
(DANNY INGRAM) writes:

>All this time I thought I was the only "family" member in
>the computer business.  It certainly is comforting to know I
>am not alone.

Welcome to you, of course.

But what a timely arrival, from my point of view.  Just last
night I was conversing by email with a friend who's been
here about as long as I have (maybe longer, for all I know),
and he wondered (I'm paraphrasing) if the idea of "queer
space" hadn't kind of run its course, given the wide world
and all of that.  My reaction was that for him or for me,
the notion of sanctuary is probably a lower priority now
than it once would have been, but notwithstanding that, new
people arrive on these shores fresh from whatever their
lives have been up to now, and a goodly number find comfort
in the idea of a haven or a community with others who share
this facet of their being.

Of course, incredibly clever and intelligent guy that he is,
he agreed with me at once! :-)

And here *you* are, as though sent to illustrate the point.
Naturally, therefore, I welcome you doubly!

<> It often seems to me that people --straight and gay--
<> try to protect us from homophobia by maintaining our
<> closets for us.  I don't want that.  I want them to turn
<> their energies to the 'phobes. 
<> -- Jeannine Pinto (jmp8p@fermi.clas.virginia.edu)
-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:16:19 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:

>richard@apple.com writes:
>>I am but a messenger.  *I* did not write the article.

>Perhaps not, but one has to wonder about your motivations and/or
>goals in reposting it here.

One certainly *does*, Richard darling.  Why, it's even possible you did
it to *deliberately* start a string of nasty exchanges :-)  It's even
possible...

Melmothra, ACC
From: hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is Jason Priestley gay? Does he take oxygen?
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:51:37 GMT
Reply-To: Henry.Troup@BNR.CA
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada


|>>That would be Joseph Priestly, discoverer of Phlogiston (similar to oxygen
|>>8-)).

Actually, he produced "de-phlogisticated air", which made things burn brighter.

(Hmmm, sounds like a new kind. "Hi, wanna get de-phlogisticated?"
                          
  Henry Troup - HWT@BNR.CA (Canada) - BNR owns but does not share my opinions
                          Strayt, clue on order
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Extended Sex
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:54:54 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <1992Sep29.174306.21928@riacs.edu> David Christopher Rogers  
<drogers@riacs.edu> writes:

> Consciousness of procedures and restrictions is not a hindrance to 
> sexual experience; on the contrary, the precision of their execution 
> becomes part of the experience.... 

> It's not really a matter of how many different things you can (or  
cannot)
> do, but doing what you do well.  Chess is not a lesser game because
> of the "restrictions" on what players can do.

Sorry, but mathematics is not the most attractive part of my sexual  
experience.


>>Fortunately, (or unfortunately as the case may be?) John is generally  
>>awake for these episodes, which allows him to discreetly prevent me from  
>>doing anything potentially hazardous to my health. 
> 
> States of altered consciousness do not have to be states of  
carelessness,
> though the most common ways people in Western societies do it (alcohol), 
> it often is the case.  But in your case, I see no reason you could not  
include 
> automatic use of a condom in your trance?

Primarily because it is only through the utmost feat of reason that I even  
have the *slightest* notion of what my body is actually doing during such  
states. The concept of a "condom" at such times is extremely difficult to  
grasp.

-Anthony
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: daniel@nstn.ns.ca (Daniel MacKay)
Subject: Re: New acc't admin for GLAD@ac.dal.ca
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:54:34 GMT

In <BvMuFB.7y@cs.dal.ca> williams@ug.cs.dal.ca (Nevin E. Williams) writes:

	N O T H I N G

Well, Nevin, congratulations on being behind the wheel of the GLAD account.
GLAD is the organization for Gays and Lesbians at Dalhousie University, in
Nova Scotia, Canada.
--
Daniel MacKay					daniel@nstn.ns.ca
Homo habilis					Nova Scotia, Canada
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From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Faggots
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:11:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark) writes:

>In article <mcmelmon-280992144400@mcmelmon.apple.com>,
>mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep25.225442.26595@morrow.stanford.edu>,
>>AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark) wrote:

>  Gambardella's?  We could meet there.  No, no, don't tell me what you
>  look like.  I'll just look for the only person wearing a Bush/Quayl/92
>  button.

I was thinking La Pastaia, which on Thursdays-Saturdays has two
'adorables' and one 'hunk.'  Next door is a Swedish place, where
everyone (even the clients) are *natural* blondes.  Big, big
blondes, too.  Especially the bar tender, who has a name that
*sounds* like Pear (I have no idea how it's actually spelled).

>>Actually, there are a couple of spots in Palo Alto with delicious
>>waiters.  And there's this place in the Stanford Shopping Center that
>>has quite a selection, too.

>  Hmmmmmm...Max's Cafe?  Have you seen the blonde manager on evening
>  shift?  Mouth watering.

There is also a brunette at Max's Cafe who should be on the menu.  And
Bravo Fono, at least for lunches over the weekend, has several 
Brideshead Revisited types.

To *die* for.  They are all to *die* for...

Melmothra, ACC
From: nedervol@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Eric Nedervold)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Hospital Study Suggests Gays Are Very Unlikely To Be Molesters
Keywords: eliminate racism, prejudice, and bigotry
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:48:22 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

The book _Sexual_Landscapes_ (I forget the author) looks at different
kinds of human sexuality.  The author reported a study that seemed 
to indicate that the young preadolescent male body is more of a turn-on
to straight men than to gay men.  They used a device to measure penile
erection and got these results much to their own surprise, if I 
remember it correctly  So this hospital study shouldn't be too
surprising.

Sexual assault/molestation/harassment are frightening issues to most
people, whether they admit it or not.  Externalizing the source of
the threat to the Other is pretty typical and lets them avoid dealing
with it directly.  Destroying these myths is a step forward both in
protecting innocents from being scapegoated and also in getting
society to begin to deal honestly and effectively with the problem
of rape within families.

--Eric
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: usenet.age
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:32:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.43271
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <15686@borg.cs.unc.edu> harris@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris) writes:
>
>Where do I fall?

I ain't touching this line.  Now, if Trey were in Oregon, I might.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Madonna bashing
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:23:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <66742@cup.portal.com> <1992Sep28.201854.15093@spdcc.com>
  <1992Sep29.142345.19757@osf.org>

Robert Coren writes:
>Steve Dyer writes:
>>George Dalton Madison writes:
> >Yes, but I was talking about Robert Coren (and John Gintell, of
> >course), not yourself.  ;-{)##]
> Oh my, George.  I do believe you'd have had to take a number.
>
>Why are people complaining about the "tone" of this group? I haven't
>been flattered with such determination in quite some time.

I *was* wondering when this would provoke a response. ;-{)##]

Of course, I can be notably more forward from behind my keyboard
than in person....
 
() Immortality -- a fate worse than death.
()      -- Edgar A. Shoaff
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ah, Fashion.
Date: 6 Oct 1992 11:58:15 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In a previous article someone wrote this about Madonna:

> She is, perhaps, the most famous woman
> in the world - which confers wealth - but how she got there has more
> to do with a tremendous sense not only of self-promotion, but of 
> knowing *what* to promote.

Marlene Dietrich (want to talk icons, baby?) 
put her finger on the difference between herself 
and Madonna: "I acted vulgar; she *is* vulgar".  
Madonna is the Jayne Mansfield of the '80s and,
if we're really unlucky, '90s.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Gai Pied to cease publication, and Sunday Brunch 
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:22:17 GMT

jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) wrote: 
->Also, a couple of bay area motssers will be in Paris in November.  What do
->you nice Parisians have planned to entertain us?

a couple?  i know of at least three (as well as one boston-area
motsseur ... )

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: This Ya Gotta See
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:30:46 GMT

In article <lche1rINNpjs@spim.mti.sgi.com>, Jeff Dauber, returned with
attitude intact, writes of Matthew Melmon:

> 
> Motss always has one bozo.  Let me guess, you are the current one...

My word, Jeff, you *have* been gone a while, haven't you?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: "Marines go to war over sexy AIDS ad"
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:09:01 GMT

Harry Foster (foster@convex.COM) wrote:
> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
> >
> >Wouldn't decades of Marines getting their beefy shoulders tatooed
> >[etc.]
> Mmmmm yes! I'm having an orgasm just thinking about it.  Maybe that's
> why they have the motto: "The Marines are looking for a few good men."  
> Ohhhh . . . but aren't we all!  <Well okay Sue, some of us anyway>
> -- 
Please, I was just hypothesizing about the legal question!
(Now where's that guy who was working on my tires?)

Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.  
                                           Santa Rosa, California
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Re: TERMS OF ENDEARMENT
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA  95131
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 18:07:22 GMT

I still refer to my ex-SO as "The Lamb" and he still calls me "The
Ram."  No explainations are necessary.  :-)

Chuck
-- 
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From: jns@elea.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: astrology and YOU
Keywords: Astrology, bear shit
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:21:41 GMT
Organization: Mystical Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Daniel MacKay (daniel@nstn.ns.ca) sounds
a cautionary note:
 
> Y'know, I would have a *lot* more faith in things astrological, if
> sometime during one of my (admittedly few) professional readings,
> the reader had noticed that I was born during a total eclipse.  I
> can't imagine a much more dramatc sky event during a much more
> dramatic time of my life, and while I'm fairly openminded, having
> a professional completely miss that little detail makes me somewhat
> skeptical about the whole science.

I suppose it's just possible that an unseen
confluence of celestial hyperethereality may
have negatively impacted on the harmonic forces
of the occultation, but that doesn't seem very
likely, does it?

Or, perhaps there was a metadegradation of the
interspheroidal tides, which *has* been known
to lead to intragravitational anomolies in the
Riemannian curvature of the space-graviton
continuum.  This can really mess up the
Levi-Cevita tensor [in contraction], promoting
the appearance of spontaneous singularities in
the field equations.  Usually, though, this
effect is rather small.  Assuming, of course,
that one accepts the *strong* equivalence
principle.

I'm much more inclined to think that the problem
was an obscuration in the actual charting of
the stellar systhesis plot.  Most likely this
was brought on because you were born on the
descending limb of the solsticial ascension.
Now, eclipses at that nexus are rather rare
events, so computing the higher-order corrections
in the perturbation expansions is a very tricky
business, and rotational polarization aberrations
*can* sometimes result in prolate oblateness.
Nasty.

Be skeptical if you want, but we're talking
*science* here.

--jeff
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly)
Subject: FYI: pnw.motss
Date: 04 Oct 92 06:16:27 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: pnw

Anyone interested in the creation of a Pacific NorthWest
regional newsgroup, pnw.motss, should read and perhaps
participate in the discussion currently taking place in
pnw.general.
________________
George V. Reilly   <GeorgeRe@Microsoft.Com>
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: 'Tis The Season
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:52:25 GMT
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton

black@sybase.com (Christina Black) wrote: 
->drogers@riacs.edu (David Christopher Rogers) writes:
->+ ...  your narrator was personally chastized by the head of
->+ SMMILE (the South of Market something-or-other group that is in charge
->+ of things) for a rather moderate display of S&M affection (not involving
->+ any genitals!), and was told later that me and my little entourage were
->+ causing an uproar just in the act of walking around (or more precisely,
->+ in the act of me being walked around).  
->
->This attitude on the part of the powers that be is ridiculous, stupid,
->and angry-making.  Why exactly do they think people GO to the Folsom
->Street Fair?  

everyone i've spoken to has observed an increase in the number of
mundanes in attendance at the fair ... it was only my 2nd FSF, so i
can't really compare.

i did spy, from a distance, DCR's display and thought it not unusual
(except that others weren't partaking similarly) ... parts of the pride
parade were more provocative than anything at the folsom street fair;
surely they didn't make the woman who did the parade on her hands and
knees dressed in rubber with her companion (who applied an occasional
incentive to her butt) to cease and desist?
... i can't imagine what they expected ... if people don't want to see
this they can go to any of the bizillions of other street fairs in the
city each summer.

tired of the oh-so-pedestrian {fillmore,union,folsom} street fairs,
--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexuals (was Re: Faggots)
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:12:33 GMT
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Originator: glp@merlin


I forgot to add:

In article <1992Sep29.175950.20136@fig.citib.com>, glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

|> I have to admit, though, that when I seen a big hot
|> burly man with anyone who doesn't appreciate them
|> (female or male) I think that he deserves better.

And that I'm the one to give it to them!

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
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