HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: news@edus.uucp (Bob Perkins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Deleting Masterboot without reinstalling?
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:53:10 GMT
Organization: Eldorado Unix Stuff

In article <1992Sep8.145904.14036@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen) writes:
>I'm looking at removing Coh from my PC to reinstall on a deicated machine.
>Is there an easy way to delete Masterboot from my hard drive without
>going thru the reinstall procedure?

Yes. It is a simple thing for the very foolish, or very brave. Just use the
DOS 'debug' utility. This will write ANYTHING to ANYPLACE on your hard drive.
If the WRONG thing is written, the hard drive will need some tender, loving
care before it works correctly again. [ I use debug here all the time, and I
still occasionly mess up the primary boot sector and the partition table. But
then, I know where to find a working spare ]

Be sure you know what you are doing. Directions will not be given here. Get
directions from the book.

Good Luck.
bob
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: keith@ksmith.uucp (Keith Smith)
Subject: Re: BIOS & Coherent
Organization: Keith's Computer, Hope Mills, NC
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 02:28:26 GMT

In article <9209091547.AA24037@robocop.NYU.EDU> baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker) writes:
>Is there any way to access the BIOS from Coherent C?  I don't see any
>reference to functions like int86() and int86x().  Have these services
>been somehow remapped, or are they accessible, and has anyone written
>replacements for these functions?  or should I write them?

Probably not most *IX implementations DISABLE the bios completely, and
do not use it at all.  This also would violate 386 protected mode
causing SIGILL more than likely.

>
>The real question behind the question is, how can I do graphics in
>Coherent?  Ideally, I would just like to plot points, but for that I
>need to go to BIOS services.  I have Coherent 4.0.1, on a 486 nameless
>clone.

Help some folks port X.  X-windows is a generic (although somewhat
bloated) interface to graphics.  It's also fairly standard simplifying
porting a X application to another machine/os/architecture that supports
X.  This will entail writing device drivers to handle the primitive I/O
to the various graphics devices. (mice, Screen, tablets, etc).
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From: roger@neptons.UUCP (Roger Barth)
Subject: Re: Gnews/Tass beta system (doesn't work)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:54:54 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cameron Park, CA

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
> I received a bunch of messages from people telling me to post the
> gnews/tass package to Raven anyway, in spite of the slowness.
> Just to be on the safe side, I tried to install it to see if
> it worked with no big hassles.  There are problems.
> 
> 1. rnews chokes on incoming news batches with an error like:
> 
> unable to open output batch /usr/spool/news/in.coming/Z...
> 
> I have no idea why this happens.  Just to be on the safe side
> I made the in.coming directory a=rwx, but the error did not
> go away.
> 
> 2. The news poster "gnp" doesn't work.  Attempting to post
> a test article caused:
> 
> getactive: unable to open active file /usr/lib/news/active
> gnewspost: invalid rc from gnewscheck, rc=1
> gnewspost: article not posted due to above error.
> 
> I'm baffled by this one also since the active file is certainly
> in the /usr/lib/news directory.  Chmod a=rwx active didn't help
> matters.
> 
> 3. gnewsexp barfs also with the following message:
> 
> unable to obtain lock /usr/spool/news/in.coming/LCK..gnews
> 
> I followed the instructions exactly so I think there are
> still problems with this port.  I used gnews exclusively
> when I was using Coh3.2 so I know most of the gnews pitfalls
> (I think).  If the object is to get a turnkey news system
> for a novice user, then this port (as it currently stands)
> is not successful.
> 
> As soon as I'm satisfied that a novice can get this going,
> I'll post it to Raven.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris

oops.... permissions on /usr/gnews are 755 news news and not 666 news
news  Sorry....

Roger

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: michael@gandalf.moria (Michael Haardt)
Subject: Re: news, new groups, and bounced mail
Reply-To: u31b3hs@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Haardt)
Organization: An old and gray machine, somewhere in Moria.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:23:57 +0100

In article <920909679@tiny.com>, sjsobol@tiny.com (Steven J. Sobol) writes:
> Wnews, when it receives a newgroup message from my feed, automatically
> creates the group, and then the mail message telling me about it bounces
> because of the way it is sent. I know I can install another mail program
> like 'deliver' that will be able to handle the bouncing mail, but, 
> fercryinoutloud, I don't want all these new groups created in the first 
> place without my consent!! If I want them I will ask for them!! Can I disable
> this? If not, would it hurt to rmgroup 'control' or take it out of my sys
> file? (Because that is what I am about to do. I'm tired of rmgroupping and
> manually removing directories.)

It seems to me that somehow the wnews port to Coherent misses FvKs 
wonderful manual about wnews -- or nobody reads it.

WNEWS DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY CREATE A GROUP WHEN IT DOESN'T EXIST.
Wnews creates a new group when it gets a control article with a newgroup
request.  Ok?  You already know about control messages, so may I ask why
you don't wonder about getting flooded with control messages?

For now, I recommend renaming the newgroup program, that should help. 

I don't know about the mail, usually it is sent to usenet@your-host.  If
you cared about either installing wnews right or changing that name in 
the header file as mentioned in the install description, the mail will not
bounce.  I guess you don't have usenet in you /etc/passwd.

I *highly* recommend reading the wnews manual, although it is a little
work.

Michael
From: roger@neptons.UUCP (Roger Barth)
Subject: redirection of stderr in 4.0 crontab
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 13 Sep 92 04:23:05 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cameron Park, CA

I have been having a problem with redirection of stderr when using
the old /usr/lib/crontab in version 4.0.  I am still not able to
use the new crontabs because of the spawning of many processes that
I and others have reported before.

The problem exhibits itself when stderr is redircted to a file as
in:

/usr/news/newsout 2>>$log

newsout has a file open for write, and I have found ALL of the
stderr output winds up buried in the open file and non in the log.
This used to work correctly under version 3.2.  If I change the
output to go to stdout and redirect to $log, there is no problem
and all stdout output goes to the log.

Has anyone else out there seen this.  I initialy saw it as info 
missing from logs after upgrading to Coherent 4.0.

Roger

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From: root@tbucks.com (Superuser)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Newsfeed working!
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:16:22 GMT
Organization: tbucks.com (private bitty-box)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I finally have a working news/mail system and want to share my experiences
with the group.

I had quite a few problems setting up UUCP, but it is very stable now. I
use a Supra V32bis and am getting about 840 cps on the batched newsfiles.
The initial problems had to do w/ the com ports. I found I had to modify
the com entries in just this way to work-

1- disable com4fr
2- set permissions to 0666
3- then modify /etc/ttys
4- finally kill quit 1

After I got a mail connection working, I tried to install cnews. Oy, this
is a real bear! With a lot of help from kilroy@acme.gen.nz I got as far as
compiling the libraries and most of the binaries. After I read of other
problems with the scripts, I set this aside and got wnews.

In the meantime, I installed tin and elm. These were very easy to make and
work fine under 4.0. I had one problem with wnews. The distribution package
includes binaries and inews and rnews worked fine. I posted an article and
sendbatch placed it for uucico to send. Inbound batches were placed in
/usr/spool/news/in.coming not /.rnews but the problem was that unbatch
would not work. I got a 'permission denied' error when I tried to run it.

I checked the permissions (ok), tried to run it as news (no), but finally
recompiled it. That fixed it, so I guess it just needs recompiling under
C4.0.

I see that Bob has finished the wnews/tass package and is considering the
same for tin and 4.0 users. I found tin very easy to install just as it is.

Now to turn on some of the high-volume groups, such as afu!
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: umunk@naxos.sni.de (Udo Munk)
Subject: Re: Can coherent handle 8-bit characters?
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Info.Sys. AG, Paderborn, Germany
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:46:08 GMT

stickler@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Patric M Stickler) writes:

>Does anyone know if Coherent supports the extended ASCII character
>set (i.e. 127-255, European characters, etc)??

Yes it does, I'm using the German national characters successfuly
under Coherent 4.0. I haven't found a command so far, which doesn't
work with 8 bits. The only problem is, that the algorithm of [nt]roff
which divides words at the end of a line, can't be configurated to
other rules as for the English language. For the German language in
most cases it works to, but I'm not familar with your language and
can't tell you, how it works for you.
Also the sort command does not sort in the right order for national
language characters, but this can be fixed with an additional filter
or rewrite of the sort command.

>I know that I can buy a terminal that can "fake it" with 7-bit
>characters, but it's not the cleanest solution.

There is no need for, but I've also connected a terminal which
can "fake it", this works too.
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Using dos* commands in v4.0.1
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:47:19 GMT
Organization: U. Munk's private BBS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles) writes:
: In article <4SEP199210320074@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> batchelor@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dave Batchelor, NSSDC, 301-286-2988) writes:
: >>batchelor@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dave Batchelor, NSSDC, 301-286-2988) writes:
: >
: >>> [...problem with "dos" commands and /dev/atoa (aka C:)...]
: >>> manual directs.  Before I phoned MWC, I checked whether the Superuser could
: >>> access C: and voila!  So with this info, I called MWC, and was told the fix:
: >>> login as root, chmod 666 /at0a
: >
: >>I hope this is on a machine that you're the only one using - setting /dev/at0a
: >>to 0666 would allow any user to seriously scribble on your hard drive.
: >
: >>                                                - k
: >>--
: >>Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
: >
: >That's right, I'm the sole user, and the system isn't open to outside logins.
: >I was just making the minor complaint that the spanking new dos* commands were
: 
: This is bothering me quite a bit too...  I do not have Coherent, but
: do run a small version of UNIX on my PC.  How does this look:
: 
: 	mkdir /dev/at0a/users
: 	mkdir /dev/at0a/users/david
: 	chmod 755 /dev/at0a
: 	chmod 755 /dev/at0a/users
: 	chmod 700 /dev/at0a/users/david
: 	chown david /dev/at0a/users/david
: 
: Is this possible under Coherent?

The stuff above makes no sense under Coherent, but I guess what you mean is
the following (do it as user root):

	mkdir /dev/david
	chmod 700 /dev/david
	chown david /dev/david
	chgrp user /dev/david
	mknod /dev/david/at0a b 11 0
	chmod 755 /dev/david/at0a

Now you only have to manage that this device is used by the programs for
access of DOS partitions (in /etc/default/msdos). This is how it should
work under Coherent, you've to figure out how it can be done with the
UNIX you are using.
BE CAREFULLY, IF YOU USE THE WRONG DEVICE NUMBER IN mknod AND EXECUTE
doscp THE PARTITION MAY BE DESTROYED!

I'm using the following command(s) from my non-root logins:
su root dosdir c:
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: d10590@tanus.oz.au (Robert Chalmers)
Subject: dte
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 09:00:17 GMT

dte for 3.2 is available here, thanks to Udo one past day.
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From: glallen@keurgraad.witchcraft.com (Gordon Lee Allen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: MWC BBS Etc.
Date: 7 Sep 92 13:59:01 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

Does anybody regularly call the MWC BBS?  It seems that each time I
call, there's a different problem.  Called a few months ago, and
everything was fine, today I couldn't connect.  Everything was
fine until my terminal sent 'nuucp', then it aborted.  I checked my
logs, and the message was "cannot lock terminal Trouble unlocking
tty /dev/com2fr".  I assume this is on their end, since I don't
have a com2.  How do I send an email message to the appropriate
person...is it admin@mwc.com or support@mwc.com? I've previously
sent messages via the same phone line on which I can't connect
today.

Finally, I've been reading a lot of messages about news readers in
Coherent, and the difficulties with them in version 4.0.  I have
yet to even attempt to use a news reader in 3.2.1, because I
really don't have a permanent site to use for the news feeds.  Does
MWC allow customers to use their site to receive news feeds?  If
so, are there any charges or limitations?  If not, is a UUNET
account the only alternative?  I've tried to find a local
(Washington, D.C.) site that would let me establish a UUCP
account, but have had no luck.  I could only find one news reader
on the MWC BBS, but there were some files missing.  The admin said
that they had no plans to re-install the files.  What else is
available?
From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: still having uuxqt problems (need help)
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:51:20 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>
> Hmmm, I think I've totally messed up the permission of some vital
> file.  Now rnews and rmail are not called by uuqxt so all my mail
> and news is piling up in my /usr/spool/uucp/feedsite folder.  The
> permissions file is OK, but uuxqt doesn't even seem to start up
> after uucico finishes transfers.  Is this a common problem?
> I'm in a bit of a bind now with about 2 megs of news and mail
> stuck in limbo.  Any advice?

Check all files and directories under /usr/spool/uucp. They should
all be owned by uucp.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: vspicer@ccu.umanitoba.ca
Subject: joe for coherent
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:38:18 GMT


has any enterprising programmer come up with patches for the JOE editor to
work on coherent? i tried using the "cruddy" terminal i/o module and it was
hideously slow. the same "cruddy" module worked fine on our Sun/4 mini here
on campus :)

thanks in advance
	vic spicer


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software person with the Time of Flight Mass Spec. Lab
at the University of Manitoba Dept. of Physics
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: riipinen@dxcern.cern.ch (Petri Juhani Riipinen)
Subject: Should I buy Coherent 4.0 ?
Organization: CERN European Laboratory for Particle Physics
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:42:19 GMT

Hello there.

I'm currently thinking of buying a Unix (or clone...) operating system for
my 486 (33Mhz, 8MB, 234MB, ET4000 SVGA). I have read about different
implementations and now the only two left are Linux and Coherent. I still
can't quite make up my mind, which on to choose. Because I don't want to
get one and then find out, that I should really have gotten the other one.

Question 1: Have you used Linux before, and if so, why did you change to
	    Coherent?

Question 2: Is it possible to do graphics programming in Coherent?

Question 3: I've read about the 64kb limits in Coherent, but I understand
	    that the limit no longer exists in v. 4.0. Am I correct?

My main use of ot would be just single-user multitasking, programming with
C and just generally get to know Unix better.

One point, which is leading me to Linux, is that is has the X...:( But is
there any hope of porting it to Coherent? Is it even technically possible?

Anyway, one point, which is dragging me towards Coherent, is the simplicity
of installing/buying it... Just get the disks and install it... Not quite
so simple with Linux.

Anyway, can I order the Coherent cia e-mail directly from Mark Williams C.,
if so, what would be the email address?

PS. I still want to keep dos running in one partition, I suppose, that
    Coherent includes a "OS/2-like Boot Manager" ? Right?

Ciao, Petri.

Oh, hope the questions were not too trivial... But I'm really a bit desperate
to get the correct system at once, so I like to ask around a bit...:)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: john@storcon.UUCP (John Hunley)
Subject: Re: beta for installable news ready
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:25:31 GMT
Organization: Storage Concepts, Inc.

In article <716289851snx@mallard.demon.co.uk>, mike@mallard.demon.co.uk (Mike Zanker) writes:
|> In article <9209101522.AA18694@dalek.mwc.com> COHERENT@indycms.bitnet writes:
|> 
|> >
|> >Okay, the beta for an installable news package based on wnews, vn and
|> >tass is ready to go.
|> >
|> >Question: How best to post? The compressed archive is 723343 bytes. I
|> >can uuencode and post to this group if no one objects. I can (and will)
|> >make it available on mwcbbs, but it will be a BIG download!
|> >
|> >Any constructive feedback is welcome!
|> 
|> Please DON'T post it here - some of us still have 2400 bps feeds
|> which makes it an even bigger download than from mwcbbs :-)
|> 
|> If I were you I should make it availble from mwcbbs and one of
|> the FTP sites.

How about creating a new newsgroup (e.g. comp.os.coherent.binaries), then
those who wish to/can afford to subscribe may, those who don't have to get
them from mwcbbs or somewhere.
-- 
                            John Hunley
   Storage Concepts, Inc.                  UUCP:  uunet!storcon!john
   1622 Deere Ave.                        Voice:  (714) 852-8511
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu (Hari Seldon ... psychohistorian)
Subject: Re: tin/wnews
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:33:22 GMT

In <BuMCGp.3C7@cs.vu.nl> waltje@cs.vu.nl (Kempen van Fred) writes:

>root@tbucks.com (Timothy E. Buchanan) writes:

>>I'm wondering why the file permissions in /usr/lib/news keep changing, that
>>is the setuid bits disappear. Could it have something to do with the user
>>and group numbers of news? I made those 132 and 10 as in the Nutshell book
                                          ^^^     ^^
now tell me once again why you arbitrarily chose userid 132 as the user
and 10 as the group? was there already a userid of 132, a group of 10?
you should had a properly set up userid and group for news (or
any program as far as that goes) and not just grad uid's , gid's out of
a hat. this may present a problem.

bill pociengel
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: landstry@tpki.toppoint.de (Michael Schack)
Subject: Easy editor ???
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 16:50:01 GMT
Keywords: editor

Hello,

I have a question concerning editors and coherent 4.0. I`m looking for
an editor which is comfortable for writing text! Probably with a menu-
system. I'm working with MicroEmacs but I think there must be a better
one to write letters and so on... Small, quick and easy to handle.
Is there an editor ported to coherent 4.0? Does someone have the same
problem? Or better: a solution? With DOS I used QEdit and enjoyed it...
thanx,
micha...

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From: tpa10@ccc.amdahl.com (Thomas P. Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: WordPerfect for COH 4.0
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:49:02 GMT
Reply-To: tpa10@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Thomas P. Anderson)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <9209131197@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>DFP10@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU (Donald F. Parsons MD) writes:
>: On the WPCS section of Compuserve, Ron Whittaker, UNIXPI, WPC Support
>: says:
>: At this time, there are no plans to compile WordPerfect on the
>: Coherent 4.0 operating system. The program may run successfully if
>: Coherent is compatible with one of the following operating systems:
>: HPUX 9000 8.07, SCO UNIX 3.2, SCO Wenix 2.3.4, or AIX 3.2
>:    [Is it compatible? Don]
>
>Differences between SCO UNIX 3.2 and AIX 3.2 are greater then differences
>between Coherent 4.0 and SCO UNIX 3.2. I'm not very experienced with
>XENIX and I've never used HPUX, but I'm woundering where they have
>problems to port it.
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>Germany      | first get /usr/spool/uucppublic/info    | pwd:   public

One would think (heaven forbid) that, given the possibility of increasing
their customer base, the WORDSTAR people could invest a hundred bucks and
one programmer's time for a day just to see if it works!  Especially given
Udo's comment, it probably already works, or would only require minor
changes.  Oh well, I guess they already have more customers than they need.

Tom A.
opinions are mine, but i'm ALWAYS willing to share!