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From: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:43:43 GMT
Reply-To: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (VMS Software Support - Colorado)

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>manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:


>>Last year was last year... anyway, we didn't lose to ALL in-state div 1A
><opponents like FSU did last year...

>Uh, Njan, we didn't play anyone in-state last year, did we? Unless you think
>Cheyenne is suddenly part of Boulder County or something....

>CU-CSU. September 5th. a season opener againt a team that's had a winning 
>record within the past three years in Div. I-A. What an innovation.

>Unlike whatever School of Animal Husbandry Nebraska plays this year.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Utah was favored to finish ahead of
CSU in the WAC this year. Utah is Nebraska's first game. Look at the facts.
Last year Nebraska beat CSU by something like 69 - 7. Gee CU really has a
great opener with a program that has had a "winning record" - Yea, and Monkeys
might fly out of my butt! We all know that the WAC is a BAD conference.

Why are you CU fans so illogical? I guess that maybee after all those long
decades of poor quality CU football it's just human nature to get over
emotional about it.

Husker Henderson

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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SWC games this week
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:02:36 GMT
Organization: Chevron

(John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
>
>Well, somebody wanted to know what was going on in the SWC as a whole,
>so I figured I'd volunteer to write a VERY SHORT preview for this week, 
>
>GAMES THIS WEEK
>
>Texas A&M at LSU--the Aggies defense is great, their offense is lame. Another
>low scoring game for the Aggies, hopefully more entertaining than their last
>two (the Cotton Bowl and the Pigskin Classic). Granger has lots of talent,
>and will feel more confident after getting his first win. I predict an A&M
>win with the offense generating 14 or more points this time. The things
>that worries me are: LSU's recent success (past several years, not last year)
>against the Aggies....

On this thread, when was the last Aggie victory in Baton Rouge?
Mark?...


Have a .sig or two...

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GEAUX TIGERS!!!!!!!!      | "That haircut of yours might be city-style,
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!!!!      |  but your heart is shaped like a bowl."
James Clyde     LSU '91   |             -- Briscoe Darlin, T.A.G.S.

J. (who was that workstation support guy?) Clyde 

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From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shameless OU woof
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:17:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: dseg.9209041917.AA22885

In article <1992Sep4.142655.27936@spdc.ti.com>,
dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:

>Woof.
>
>    OOOO                                                        
>   O    O                                         |   Bill Dostalik
>   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            |                
>   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |  
>    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    |  dostalik@utdallas.edu  
>      U    U                                      | 
>       UUUU        Cale Gundy for Heisman.        |  "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."

To which I respond:



Woof, woof.

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D N N   N D       Notre Dame Fightin' Irish     |                
D N  N  N D  National College Football Champions|  
D N   N N D   '24'29'30'43'46'47'49'66'73'77'88 |   noonan@dseg.ti.com
DDNDDDDDDD                                      | 
  N     N         Mirer/Bettis for Heisman.     |      "Uh huh!"
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From: currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Re: N.C. State - Do they play football?
Reply-To: currin@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:14:59 GMT

>
>I'm sorry if i seem too harsh, but I lived in Raleigh for 6 years and heard
>a lot of talk from State fans who evidently don't have a clue about how
>football should be played.  There's grumbling if there are 2 running plays in
>a row, becasue these idiots want to see basketball on the football field.  News
>flash: you win by running and controlling the line of scrimmage and physical
>intimidation on defense.  State, you're not nearly there yet, and you won't be
>until you wake up and see the gap in your own conference.  The sad part is
>the poor loser's lament that we "have a chance".  You could use a GREAT coach
>like Danny Ford - losing him was Clemson's #1 screw-up in the last 20 years.
>
>
>tony rogers
>


Yeah Dick sure messed up Wolfpack football. He took a team that went 3-8
three consecutive years and went 8-3 and to a bowl in his first year.
This included defeating what was then the #1 team in the conference Clem
and Son. BTW Clem and Son was coached by none other than Danny "Gawd"
Ford. The man who once said about the dedication of a new accademic
building at Clem and Son, "This is my darkest day, what kind of an
athletic building would that money have built" (The quote may not be
exactly accurate but it's close, check the old SIs for more). Sheridan
excels at combining academics and athletics with substantial success at
both. I see no problem with playing "Furman style ball" it whupped Clem
and Son three years in a row. Oh yeah tell Montana and Rice that running
the ball is the only way to play football.
RC
From: max@ocf.berkeley.edu (Fude Max Chuang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford vs. Tamu
Date: 27 Aug 1992 23:09:32 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailstorm.berkeley.edu

A friend and I were watching the game, and we were discussing one of
Stanford's coaching decisions.  Near the end of the 1st half, Stanford
had the ball at around midfield.  My friend was saying, "Oh, shit, they're
probably gonna score; Stanford has awesome luck in situations like these
and so does Walsh"
But then it seemed Stanford made no effort to get within field goal
range.  What puzzled me more was that they didn't even make a hail mary
attempt with only a couple seconds left.  I told my friend "I'd laugh
my head off if Stanford lost by a field goal or something."  Wouldn't
ya know ....
Didn't see anyone bring this up; anyone else notice this, or does everyone
think "Walsh must have been trying to protect the ball, not give up
a lucky score on an INT".  Yet I would hardly think just one little hail
mary would hurt.  Thoughts, opinions?
From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)
Subject: Division I-A teams
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:28:45 GMT

I want to make sure that I have all the Div. I-A teams in the list below
and only the Div. I-A teams.  Last year I had 106 teams where the
difference from the list below is that Cal-State Long Beach was in it and
is not anymore, and Nevada and Arkansas State were not in it and are now.
Are Nevada and Arkansas State Div. I-A now?  Darryl Marsee has them in
his rankings so I include them here.

If there are any corrections to the list please let me know.

Kevin

Air_Force
Akron
Alabama
Arizona
Arizona_State
Arkansas
Arkansas_State
Army
Auburn
BYU
Ball_State
Baylor
Boston_College
Bowling_Green
CS_Fullerton
California
Central_Michigan
Cincinnati
Clemson
Colorado
Colorado_State
Duke
East_Carolina
Eastern_Michigan
Florida
Florida_State
Fresno_State
Georgia
Georgia_Tech
Hawaii
Houston
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Iowa_State
Kansas
Kansas_State
Kent
Kentucky
LSU
Louisiana_Tech
Louisville
Maryland
Memphis_State
Miami(Fla)
Miami(Ohio)
Michigan
Michigan_State
Minnesota
Mississippi
Mississippi_State
Missouri
NC_State
Navy
Nebraska
Nevada
New_Mexico
New_Mexico_State
North_Carolina
Northern_Illinois
Northwestern
Notre_Dame
Ohio_State
Ohio_University
Oklahoma
Oklahoma_State
Oregon
Oregon_State
Pacific
Penn_State
Pittsburgh
Purdue
Rice
Rutgers
SMU
SW_Louisiana
San_Diego_State
San_Jose_State
South_Carolina
Southern_Mississippi
Stanford
Syracuse
TCU
Temple
Tennessee
Texas
Texas_A&M
Texas_Tech
Toledo
Tulane
Tulsa
UCLA
UNLV
USC
UTEP
Utah
Utah_State
Vanderbilt
Virginia
Virginia_Tech
Wake_Forest
Washington
Washington_State
West_Virginia
Western_Michigan
Wisconsin
Wyoming
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From: rszczerb@chekov.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND's DuBose Situation
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:52:26 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <BILLMS.92Sep3081816@z.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>
>It is against the NCAA rules for athelets to benefit financially because of
>their sports skills.  Thats why they don't pay them, they give them
>scholarships.  Thats why you can't sign an agent.  Thats why you can't accept
>cash gifts.  The idea, right or wrong, that drives these rules is that the
>players should be amateurs.
>
>Dubose got a 25k car loan, no money down and no payments for one year, when
>the whole sum comes do immediately.  He is reported to have said that that he
>will pay it off with his salary from the NFL.  I don't know if this is
>*right* or *wrong* in an absolute sence, but it is absolutely clear to be a
>violation of both the letter and spirt of the NCAA rules.  Given that, and
>the allegations of the earlier high school loan, I thought the penalty was an
>amazingly light slap.
>

Bill, Bill, Bill ... I can see you're spouting more of your nonsense.
I thought you gave up posting after your comments about "... how
Michigan would have destroyed ND if they didn't have the Rocket".

As for DuBose ... Gee ... I can't believe you've  never heard 
of banks giving car loans with no money down to graduating
Senior with high earning potential.  No only is it a common
practice, but it's just good business sense. 

The NCAA said that DuBose did not use his football status in
any way to get the loan, nor was he given the money for
his football performances at Notre Dame.  This would be exactly
the same as a bank giving a graduating engineer a car loan
and not asking for payments until he start his new job.  Come on
Bill, you're just looking for ways to bash ND and you're getting
frustrated when you can't.

I'm just curious ... are you practicing your excuses for when
ND beats Michigan in two weeks.  I have faith in you Bill, I'm
sure you'll come up with something really remarkable to place
the blame on.  I'm looking forward to reading it.

			- Rob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: hotel info Miami @ Iowa game
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 12:02:07 GMT

>> Does anyone in the Iowa city area know of any small
>> hotels that may not be listed in the AAA book?
>> Can someone recommend another type of arrangement like
>> a bed & breakfast, room for rent, etc.?
>
"Build it, and he will come"

cmuck
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins)
Subject: Re: Tired of UT fans?
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 20:40:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.003809.12848@rhrk.uni-kl.de> CRJ14530@acuvax.acu.edu (Judd Christopher R.) writes:
>I was just curious how many other people out there are as tired of the UT
>attitude that is out there this year?
>
>
I think you should clarify "UT".  Is that Texas or Tennessee?  And if the real
Big Orange is involved, please expound on "attitude".

Go VOLS!!!

Dale R.
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner)
Subject: Minor League Football (Re: Paying athletes)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:37:53 GMT

In article <l9u3i2INNpge@cronkite> andy@misha.central.sun.com writes:
>In article 236@awdprime.austin.ibm.com, jpd@austin.ibm.com () writes:
>>
>>C'mon, are they STUDENT-athletes or what?
>Now where did you get a stupid idea like that ?  You want to see
>student atheles,  go watch division III ball. 

What about Robert Smith and Alan Henderson (yes, the latter plays hoops, but
he's an excellent example here).

>These are revenue generation measures, nominally connected to the
>university that happens to have the same name.  And,  at times there 
>are members of the team who actually deserve the opportunity to 
>go to the university they attend.

What's lost in the translation here is that they are also minor leagues for
the NFL.  Every big name player going to a big name school is interested in
an NFL career, and few get them.  Many times it is the result of telling poor
inner-city high school players that college football is a ticket to the big
time and neglecting to show off any real educational opportunities.  Then, when
the kids get there, they end up majoring in eligibility and don't do enough to
get ahead in classes.  Even tools like the recently-ousted Elliot Uzelac stress
the football program over the college itself, and that's wrong.

I think we can make a good argument for the NFL creating a minor league farm
system, especially now with free agency in the courts.  Let's take the kids
who are interested in playing football and help them develop their skills in
the minors while they get paid for it at the same time.  Every other major
team sport has a minor league system of some kind (baseball and hockey are the
most developed, while the NBA has deals with the CBA and GBA), and most of
those teams are actually pretty successful.  If the NFL is so concerned that
free agency will destroy the league, they'll do something to offset that loss.
Why not a minor league?  Besides, wouldn't some of you pro fans like to send
Bubby Brister back to Tidewater every once in a while?

I've have more on this later...




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From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Palmetto Football Tuesday #1 - September 1
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:04:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.050231.9121@hubcap.clemson.edu>,
trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) writes:

>                               Division II
>
>Presbyterian College 
>   Blue Hose  (South Atlantic Conference * Coach: John Perry)
    ^^^^^^^^^

What in the...?

I'm assuming there's a great story behind this.

-Mike Noonan (noonan@sun472.dseg.ti.com@tilde)

P.S. I wonder what their cheers are?
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From: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Reply-To: mcconnel@b11.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:43:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.202942.25914@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Rich Edmondson) writes:
>
>I live in Alabama and I've never met a BAMA fan that will admit that
>The Bear is dead, much less talk logically about their team.  

    Gee Rich, I thought Marshall had lightened up and let you guys
associate with people outside the complex.  You mean none of the
*two* Bama fans you know, right?

>I guess
>following up on the thread about special teams, with David "Duece"
>Palmer BAMA would have been pretty mediocre last year.  But - they did
>have him, and he is back this year too.

    Man, you guys are still smarting over last November I guess. 
Can't see the forest, the Redwood Forest, for the trees, huh?

>Rich Edmondson, Huntsville, AL       War Damn Eagle!
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    It becomes clearer.

>edmondso@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov        Hey Bama, see ya in Auburn!
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Oh yes, you most assuredly will.  It'll be a pity for you folks to
have to go to all of that trouble getting those bumper stickers off.
We'll still be able to identify you from the large, rectangular
patch of missing paint on the rear of your cars.

>                                     Hey Eric, tape this! (|) <- butt

    I'll leave this one alone.

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From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SI Preseason Top 20
Date: 31 Aug 1992 17:07:58 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <14020009@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> cday@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Chris Day) writes:
>
>I've heard of large national magazines distributing regional versions
>with localized advertising...............
>
>But really....
>
>Hey, look, Clemson was #16 !!!

I couldn't believe that at all.  Clemson ranked higher than Cal?  Excuse
me, but didn't Cal destroy Clemson in the Citrus Bowl 37-13?   

It just proves that East Coast Media Bias (tm) is still with us.  The 
most respected sports magazine puts only *one* Pac 10 team in its
pre-season top 20, and that is the one that was national champion.

Watch out in the bowls, you east coast snobs.
"The West is the Best."   --Jim Morrison "The End"

William F. Tell
University of California
GO BEARS!!!
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Subject: Re: CFPOOL: Week #1 Entry
From: desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...)
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:58:41 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Univ. of Arizona...,TSN, AZ...
Nntp-Posting-User: desert

In article <37472@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
> In article <1992Aug30.192904.22032@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>, kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
>> stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
>> 
		[...Stuff deleted...]

>>      Chris, I usually enjoy reading your postings
>> so I hate to be rude, but Washington plays Arizona
>> State on September 5.  Granted it's not the second
>> coming of Christ, but what the hell is your problem
>> with that game that leads you to believe the games
>> listed above are more interesting?
>> --Ralph Kennedy      
> 
> 
> Let me take a shot at that. The games Chris has chosen are harder
			      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> to predict than the Wash-ASU matchup. Central Michigan, if I
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> remember correctly, beat Mich St last year. Who knows what will
> happen at Kentucky. Hawaii, a middle-of-the-pack WAC team with a
> fine option offense, at Oregon [a middle PAC-10 team] is tough to
> predict. As is up-and-coming Nevada @ Wyoming, although Wyoming 
> will win. The criterion is the intriguing match-up, not 
> just big-name teams.
> 
> All this, IMO, of course.
> 

The first line says it all (by Prashanth), Ralph...  So stop whinning!  
You'll get your chance(s) as the season matures... 

D Man...
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From: swimmer@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jennifer Bouck)
Subject: Re: Paying athletes
Keywords: was Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:03:34 GMT

gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:


>I realize that the purpose of rules preventing athletes from working are to
>prevent abuses such the QB getting paid $500 for locking up the gate to the
>practice field or something comparable, but it is bureaucratic nonsense for
>the NCAA not to allow REAL jobs.  The same people with a hair where the sun
>don't shine that about athletes getting paid, can channel their energy into
>investigating the job to make sure that the job is on the level.  What's the
>worst that can happen?  "Well gosh, looks like your only earning the minimum
>wage flipping burgers, your not getting paid $1000 a day after all."  If the
>player can find the time to juggle practice, classes, homework, studying, and
>social diversions, and STILL have time to work, then there is no reason why
>he shouldn't be allowed to have a legitimate job.  If they were to investigate
>and find that some alumnus would come in, buy dome fries, and give a $500
>tip to the player for good service, OBVIOUSLY that's a violation.  But its
>a violation that would that can still occur if he doesn't work.  It simply
>is then a case of the $1000 visit from the tooth fairy, or the $500 in an
>envelope during the handshake routine.  IMHO, real jobs are should be allowed.

I don't know what you are talking about, unless its a rule just for the 
football teams, because we ARE allowed to hold jobs, as long as the money
we make doesn't exceed making up for the rest of a full scholarship if we
are on partial scholarship.  For exmaple, say I am on a scholarship covering 
just my meals, that leaves about $10,000 left for me to pay for a whole
year.  If I have a job, I cannot make more then the $10,000.  On the otherhand,
if I am on a full scholarship, I MAY NOT have a job.  Just the same, for 
walk-ons earning no money, they can have a job and earn any amount up 
to the full price of everything. (this point I am not sure on, there may
be no limits on how much a walk-on may earn.)

If this doesn't apply to football sory, but the rest of us NCAA athletes I
know can work.
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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: To all rabid Aggie fans
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:24:35 GMT

Todd Henderson (tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: I missed the first half, but from what I heard their first drive was:
: 
: 1.  A big play on a punt return.
: 2.  A whole 2 offensive plays
: 
: to me, that doesn't make much of a first drive.  Correct me if I'm wrong
: on their scoring drive.

While what you described did comprise their scoring drive, it wasn't
their "first drive".  $tanfraud took the opening kickoff, and moved
approximately 65 yds.  Following a sack of Stenstrom on the first play
from scrimmage, the drive was aided by some nice pass completions, and
a personal foul penalty against the Aggies.  The drive ended around the
A&M 15 yard line when Buckley blitzed, got to the QB, forced a fumble,
and recovered it himself.  Incidently, if you take this 65 yard drive
away, the Cardinal offense was even more inept than the Aggies...

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