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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Vail was Deer Valley and Park City
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 00:37:48 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <69qnn_j.robl@netcom.com> robl@netcom.com (Rob Lingelbach) writes:
>Am I going to run into hordes of rec.skiing nerds?

You might run into some.  Just wear a tee shirt on the outside
with something like "Usenet: Ski Vail."
Report back with the numbers of vocal contacts.

You know, when I went to Vail (after Usenix), it was interesting to
see a few of my fellow Conference attendees (nerds or geeks) up
there getting on lifts.  Maybe we should have retained Conference badges
(I still have mine).  There was this one red headed woman and ...

>I am a beginning skiier and I just planned my first ski vacation ever,
>to Vail the week before Christmas.  After researching the resorts
>carefully elsewhere and deciding Vail had the most to offer me,
>reading here tons of sarcastic remarks about Vail has me wondering if
>I made the right choice.  I have heard it is crowded, but will that be
>made up for by the fact that the runs are wide and more intermediate?
>
>And if I can prevail [sic] upon someone's last shred of sincerity, are
>there any tips (or edges) I should know about skiing Vail?

As a beginning skier, it will be difficult to ski the entire resort.
That's the price of learning.  That's part of the issue: the expense and
the price of the name.  Some people like that, they regard it as a status
symbol.  They don't mine paying to rub shoulders with Robin Leech
and the rich and famous.  You are paying in a sense for those advanced skiers
to ski there, you can certainly watch and learn a bit.  Then there is the
"apres ski" issue: some people like to walk in a city which looks like an
adult Dizzyland/pseudo-European flavor.  Skiing is largely crowded every
where.  It's to the econonmic advantage of a resort to ski at capacity.

Have a good time there.  It's a fine resort in many ways.
If you want to learn and get better, don't spend your time socializing
and talking to people.  Otherwise, stand around, talk and socialize,
and don't ski (but don't complain about not getting better).

Ski.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: bryan@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bryan Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Does anybody ski Rossi DV6's?
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:26:17 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.171719.28647@bmerh85.bnr.ca> paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter) writes:
>
>My girlfriend and I are in the market for new skis this year.
>We are looking for a slalom cut, but does not have to be a full
>out racing ski (ie a 7S).  The front runners are so far:
>
> 1) Salomon X8
> 2) Rossignol DV6

I would recommend trying the 7S. Rossi tends to build (at least thier GS skiis)
on the easy to ski side. I skiied thier thier GS ski (?7GK) last year and 
thought it would be a good all mountian cruiser, as least on packed snow. On
the same day I skiied the DV6 and thought it was just O.K. Might be a good
soft snow ski though. It seemed jittery at cruising speed - and said cruising
speed was already slower than cruising speed was on the 7GK's.

Bryan
From: liggio@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Vincent J. Liggio)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skis and boots for sale
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:16:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Columbia University

All prices are flexible, so please make an offer if interested.  Shipping
will be added at what ever rate UPS sees fit.

Nordica N997 Comp Ski Boots
Mens size 27.5
White and black
Used twice
        $200

200cm Lacroix carbon fiber skis
Black
Razor sharp
Flexible, all purpose ski (from slalom to moguls)
Used twice last season :-(
	$190 w/o bindings
	$350 w/Geze G83 bindings
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:42:27 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <188j0sINNp87@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer) writes:

  [.... regarding "Ski Ohio" ....]

>Why not. That has a nice ring to it.   ...
>
>Even I learned here. At least we have some local places
>Just ask a Floridian where they go to snow ski.

Not to Ohio!

If I have to put up with the ghastly drive through Ohio, I would continue 
on and ski in Hemingway country: northern Michigan.  (Hemingway had great 
taste -- the areas around Charlevoix and Seney in Michigan, Key West in 
Florida, and Ketchum Idaho, but his skiing story is set in Switzerland.)

Of course, about once-a-decade you can ski right here in north Florida....

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
From: mikedlr@castle.ed.ac.uk (Michael De la Rue)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Danged Responsibility Code
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:16:42 GMT
Reply-To: miked@uk.ac.ed
Organization: Edinburgh University
X-junk-food:  Vegetable Simoza

In <14599@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:

>I think that was his point.  I don't know how many time I've skied over
>a knoll and come across someone just beyond it.  An advance skier would
>be able to avoid that person. Someone with lesser abilities, but one with
>probably enough skills to ski repsponsibly on that slope might not.  

I just don't agree that this is skiing responsibly.  As you say there
can be people beyond knolls.  Sometimes those people are there because
they have fallen and not because they are waiting for friends or
resting.  This can mean you do alot of damage to them.

As far as limiting beginners and advanced skiers to certain areas goes. 
All I can say is I hope this kind of garbage does not become common here
in Europe.  Beginners have to be able to get better.  The way they do
this is by going up slopes that are so hard they fall occasionally and
go out of control for short periods.  Everyone does this.  The main
thing that matters is that you never go out of control near anyone. 
Achieve this by slowing down when near people.  It's always possible
(unless America is much more crowded than the Alps which I refuse to
believe) to find somewhere to ski without being surrounded by other
people.  Having really nasty controls on skiing sounds very irritating
however.  I find that being able to go fast allows me to find space
among the bunches people create and therefore ski in the open most of
the time.

Oh yes and I actually find that people waiting just before the start of
the steep bit on a slope tends to mean they always leave in bunches and
so helps improve conditions further down.  Just take advantage of
conditions as they happen and you will have no problems with the
beginners.
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From: campbell@clam.med.ge.com (Scott Campbell Mfg QIE 4-6778)
Subject: madison ski clubs
Reply-To: campbell@clam.med.ge.com (Scott Campbell Mfg QIE 4-6778)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Distribution: wi
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 16:04:21 GMT


What ski clubs are active in madison, which are most active year round, not just with skiing?   What is the average age?   
Just looking for info.


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From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Beginner/Black Diamond runs
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:51:49 GMT

In article <wilde-100992215411@sunset.cs.colorado.edu>, wilde@cs.colorado.edu (Nick Wilde) writes:
|> In article <yury.02wy@bknight.jpr.com>, yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German)
|> wrote:
|> 
|> > one of the begginers
|> > would manage to go write across my path write in front of me!

|> 2. When skiing downhill or overtaking another skier, you must avoid 
|> the skier below you.


I think you're being a bit 'holier than thou' here.  It's difficult to tell who
was above whom here.  Certainly it is also the responsibility of any skier not
to overreach his ablilities.  Seems like our "Yury" was cut up here, if someone
deliberately (or even accidentally) aims at you then it can be a bit difficult
to avoid them.

They showed a film of American resorts over here.  All these piste monitors (or
is that Pissed Monitors ?) shouting "hey buddy, slow down, you're exceeding the
5mph speed limit for this slope, and have a fun run!".  Jeez makes me want to
dust down my Randonnee skis and get away from the crowds.  Alternative, ski real
Alpine black diamonds, where men are men and beginners get lifted off by
helicopter !

David.

Summer Skiing at les 2 Alpes, where Hors Piste is spelt with a 'W' !
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From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: Danged Responsibility Code
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:07:36 GMT

In article <BuF3FB.Ep2@apollo.hp.com> cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
>Till such equity is reached (if ever) I recommend 
>picking the black trails with the highest number of rocks,
>the most ice and biggest trees. These features (can't tell 
>I work in IS :-> ) still tend to keep marginal skiers away. 

I find that "*danger, cliff area*" in wooded areas work well.  
Anyone want to buy a few? :)

>The neophyte skier is amply protected
>IMO. Orange "Slow Skiing Only" signs, gestapo style
>speed enforcement :-> , etc. keep things pretty
>sterile. What I'd like to see is the equivalent
>respect given to advanced skiers. How about having
>patrollers warning people who ski trails *above*
>the range of their ability ? Why not pull the lift
>tickets of people who endanger experts by unpred-
>ctably "skiing" black trails ? 

To be honest, I would not call anyone who has a problem with 
"unpredictable beginners" advanced, let alone an expert.

If they're skiing, even randomly, they're not that hard to avoid,
just pick a space cushion based on your and their relative speeds.

If they're out of control or falling, it's even easier, since such people
tend to travel in a predictable path, albeit a bit faster.

Ah, but what about the guy who comes screaming down from above you say?

Well, like driving, a good skier generally knows whats going on around him.
You can't track every skier on the hill, but you're aware of patterns.  If
there are people above you and you are skiing downhill, then you're
listening for sounds that might indicate time for evasive manoeuvers.  In
addition, most advanced skiers I know ski fast enough that they aren't easily 
overtaken, even by a falling skier.

And if you're stopped, and are not aware of what's going on above you (and
ready to get out of the way if necessary), then you're not an expert skier.

Simple, eh? :)
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Beginner/Black Diamond runs
From: dgold@basso.actrix.gen.nz (Dale Gold)
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:01:26 PST
Organization: New Zealand Symphony Orchestra

Quoted from <1992Sep14.122051.8682@osf.org> by david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George):
> In article <14598@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> |> Falling on an intermediate run might cause a few bruises.  There
> |> are a lot of advanced runs where falling on them could kill you.
> 
> Last time I skied over a knoll there wasn't another skier behind it, there
> wasn't even a ski piste behind it... I'll look before I leap next time.  Oh
> you're right, an advanced skier would have been able to aim for the small strip
> of snow at the bottom, not the boulder. 

I used to have a friend who was a doctor in Jackson Hole.  I always
remember his story about having treated a patient in the emergency ward who
didn't seem to have `normal' skiing injuries, and had more bruises than
sprains and strains.  Turns out the guy had skiied over a knoll and landed
on a rather unhappy moose.

Dale
--
- dgold@basso.actrix.gen.nz
- Korokoro, New Zealand
From: mre@saint.csd.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skiing in Arizona (near flagstaff?) (Question)
Summary: Anybody have info. on skiing in Arizona?
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:19:12 GMT

I'm about to move to Phoenix, Arizona. Does anybody have any information
on skiing in Arizona?

I'm told there is skiing at a couple of places around/near Flagstaff and
then Lemmon (?) near Tuscon but can anybody give me anymore info? Like
number of lifts/runs; breakdown of runs into intermediate/expert/bunny;
typical start/end of the season; adult day lift-pass cost; (driving time
from Phoenix); and whatever other information springs to mind.

Thanks,

- mark

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From: bl269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mary Beth Taormina)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Knee surgery
Date: 11 Sep 1992 18:58:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bl269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mary Beth Taormina)
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In a previous article, sh240031@wvnvms.wvnet.edu () says:

>I'm scheduled to have orthroscopic surgery don next week to remove some
>supposedly torn medial meniscus.  I'm sure my worries are unjustified and my

Hi Carl,

Do it, you won't regret it.  I've have three surgeries on my left
knee (1 traditional, 2 arthroscopic), and I ski as much as my
schedule allows, without pain and with very little post-ski
swelling.  Mine was lateral meniscus tear; the first surgery left
the standard six-inch scar.  The two arthroscopic procedures were
for a little "dusting and cleaning" of more cartilage and tissue
that  crowded the joint space.  #3 was last May, and I spent a great
deal of time with self-rehabilitation; I skied January & February in
West Virginia, and in March skied Vail for a whole week - no
problem.  As long as you rehab, you'll have no problem.

Good luck!

Mary Beth
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
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From: susswein@anrchy.cxo.dec.com (Steve Susswein)
Subject: Re: pinhead.wannabe.postulant
Keywords: Tired of nailing heel to ski
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, Co
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:17:58 GMT


For an experienced alpine skiier who wants to learn to tele, I think the
best way to start is to learn to parallel ski on free-heel gear.  What
I'd recommend is to take a pair of your old alpine skis (preferably a
fairly soft pair), mount some three-pin bindings on them, and get
comfortable doing parallel turns on them at your favorite resort.  My
experience is that a good downhiller will be comfortable skiing blue
slopes on pins after around a day of practice.

The advantage of starting out this way is that when you finally take a
telemark lesson you'll be a lot more comfortable on the skis and be more
willing to commit to trying things that feel wrong/awkward, since you
know you can always revert to ta parallel turn if you get out of
control.

I've taught a number of alpine skiers to telemark using this technique,
and most became competent telemarkers within 5 or 6 days of practice.

Steve

From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:32:11 GMT
Subject: Here it comes again...FAQ!
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

OK, this is the last time I'm going to post this thing in its entirety.
Starting RSN the FAQ will be automatically posted, section by section,
on a somewhat weekly basis.

Many thanks to the people who have helped clean up what we've got so
far. However, the FAQ is nowhere near complete. In particular we have
NOTHING on snowboarding yet. So how about it? Any shredders out there
want to mail me some stuff so I can include a snowboard section?

  
..glen
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Ski Washington Cascades? 
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:45:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep09.223947.21055@watson.ibm.com> crispin@watson.ibm.com
(Crispin Cowan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.211313.15658@u.washington.edu>
leiman@armos.engr.washington.edu (Ian Leiman) writes:
>>COLUMNS:
>>4. Mount Baker
>>	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9
>>q	350	310	415	750	300	100	?	120	300
>>q. avg. snowfall (in)	
>
>Pardon my boggling, but is this really true?  750 inches of average
>snowfall?  Gonzo!

Actually, this sounds low.  But I assume they are the ones keeping the stats.
And density can span 3 orders of magnitude.
This is "fall" not base depth.  The examples in the Avalanche Handbook
are 800 in. and I think Mt. Olympus across the Sound has something like 1600
inches (It's in a friend's glaciology PhD dissertation at home), but that
for X-C only.

We need it for covering the rocks.  One also has to remember that
it's mostly air, and we only ski the upper surface.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
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From: crispin@watson.ibm.com (Crispin Cowan)
Subject: Re: Ski Washington Cascades? 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 22:39:47 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Sep9.211313.15658@u.washington.edu> leiman@armos.engr.washington.edu (Ian Leiman) writes:
>COLUMNS:
>4. Mount Baker
...
>	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9
...
>q	350	310	415	750	300	100	?	120	300
...                             ^^^
>q. avg. snowfall (in)	

Pardon my boggling, but is this really true?  750 inches of average
snowfall?  Gonzo!

Crispin
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Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 15:51:23 CDT
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject:    Thanks!

To everyone who responded to my posts -- THANK YOU!!!


You have been very kind and helpful with your information. Hopefully I'll be ab
le to follow some of your advice.


Thomas
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:32:28 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 08/13
Organization: What, me? Organized?
From: shla@spf.trw.com (Sheila Wallace)
Subject: Re: Deer Valley and Park City
Organization: TRW Sensor Data Processing Center, Redondo Beach, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:30:06 GMT

In article <188j0sINNp87@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an660@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandy Maurer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, shla@spf.trw.com (Sheila Wallace) says:
>>
>>... Or better yet, maybe we should start a new campaign -- Ski Ohio!
>
>Why not. That has a nice ring to it.
>Even I learned here. At least we have some local places

Yes, I learned to ski in Ohio, too. The runs may be short, but it 
was great for high school kids stuck in Ohio with parents that didn't 
ski and no money to go anywhere exotic. (Even Michigan and Pennsylvania
were considered exotic, when I didn't have a car or bucks for lodging.)

Sheila


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From: joyner@nrtpa17.bnr.ca (Tony Joyner)
Subject: Whistler in November?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:38:19 GMT

I have a chance to visit the Whistler area in B.C. this November using
a free airline voucher that runs out Dec. 1st.  Is it worth going to 
the Whistler ski area that early?

Any help appreciated,	
Tony