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From: weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org (Jan Weigner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  Is there a PCMCIA 2.0 Ethernet card available for A1200?
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:28:20 GMT
Organization: RCS Management Germany

In article <1993Jan22.031036.276@spectrum.adsp.sub.org> adrianb@spectrum.adsp.sub.org (Adrian V. Beech) writes:
>weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org (Jan Weigner) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan15.200431.182@maths.tcd.ie> mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers) writes:
>>>
>>>A purchase of three A1200s is hanging (mostly) on this question... I'm sure
>>>that there are PC cards, but it's the software that counts.
>
>>We are currently working on one. Including moving our software to it.
>
>Does this include a SANA-II driver the board?  I for one will be keenly
>awaiting the relase of this device.  I hope to connect my A3000UX with
>the A1200 I intend to buy soon.
>

Yes it does.

>
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr. Peter Kittel, Commodore Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: 1200 mem limit
Date: 27 Jan 93 06:48:08 GMT
Organization: Commodore Germany

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In article <93026.131140IO00198@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO00198@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Just some weird dude) writes:
>
>Does anyone know how much memory the 1200 can have?  

If you only use the existing EC020 processor, then you are limited to
16 MB address space total, 10 MB of which can be RAM and again 2 MB of
which are already Chip RAM. If you have a processor card in your
trapdoor with a bigger processor, this may come with more.

>Also, will there be any '040 accelerators anytime soon?

Don't know. Some people say that it isn't possible because of the huge
power requirements of the 040, but then there also shouldn't exist 040's
for the A500, but they do, as I hear...

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From: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Where to get a floptical drive?
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:39:02 GMT


	I want to buy two floprical drives. I have heard of two versions
out, one of which reads 880k disks and one doens't. I really don't care, but
I do plan to buy two internal flopticals and some disks. 


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From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Can you extend the A2000 and A3000 keyboard cable?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:48:19 GMT
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1993Jan20.074818.4098@ichips.intel.com>, Mark Waggoner writes:

> Is it possible to extend the keyboard cable of the A2000 and/or A3000?
> If you have done so, could you tell me how you did it and whether there
> is anything special to be careful of.  From their catalog, it looks like 
> Radio Shack has an extender cable that should fit, or at least has the
> plug and jack that you need to make a cable.  Do all 5 connections need 
> to go straight through?  Any RF or operational problems you've encountered
> with a longer cable?

My A2000 is running now with a keyboard extension cable.  I think it is a
standard IBM type cable.  It has run fine for quite a while this way.


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From: hennes@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Hennes Passmann)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Popping Processors...
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:10:46 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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Daniel Jr Murrell (djm2@Ra.MsState.Edu) wrote:
: Rich,
:   Has anyone had this problem? Oh yeah!  :)
: I have a Derringer board, and for a while there, i left all the screws
: out of my 500 case so that i could easily plug the board back in when
: it gets popped out of the socket.  Eventually, it seems like the board
: may settle down into the socket, but for now, I'm typing lightly, and
: i have a big glob of the yellow rubbery tack-it putty crushed between
: the case and the problem end of the board.  Hopefully, that'll keep
: the board safely in place.  I guess the material is safe, since it's all
: up against my 68000 chip, and it doesn't seem to have fused yet.. :)
: I'm still trying to decide on the "superglue" fix..  Anyone else have any
: other ideas?  What does CSA suggest?
:
I had the same problem with a derringer,while not perfectly seated the der.
would not boot in the 68000 mode. I fixed it using extreme pressure
(just try to break your motherboard in pieces,triple the force and it should
work).  The derringer worked fine ever since.

-hennes
hennes@stack.urc.tue.nl
: Dan
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace,misc.forsale
Subject: Re: Mitsubishi Multisync monitor forsale !!!
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:02:20 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

jonin@netcom.com (Daniel Joseph Oak) writes:

>Hope that clears things up.  you might be thinking of a new monitor as the 1381a
>is not being made anymore I believe. :)

I believe they are making (and selling) 1481.  1481 has a better resolution,
yet still support 15khz.  I saw it selling in Asia over X'mas.  Maybe
someone should ask Mitsubishi and see if they are selling it in the States
too.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: adap@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Edsel Adap)
Subject: Re: Some A4000 questions
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:46:34 GMT

In article <1jmk9jINNig9@uwm.edu> brandt@point.cs.uwm.edu (Robert Allan Brandt) writes:
>
>I have recently came to the decision that I would like to buy the new A4000.
>I have been following the comments posted the last few weeks or so, but a
>few of the questions I have seem to not have been addressed, or I just
>missed the answer.  I hope these weren't asked recently, so here goes!
>
>    1)  Other than the fan problem and some HD's formatted with the OFS,
>        are there any other major problems with the 4000?
>
>    2)  Can the OS be mapped to 32-bit ram as on the 3000?

The memory of the 4000 is all 32-bit. So there is no need to map the OS to
32 bit space.  It is already there.

>    5)  How well does this scan-promotion feature work?
>        Are there any problems associated with it?
>        What are its advantages?
>        Is it compatible with older (2 yrs or less) software?

It should be compatible.

>        Does it work with any software such as games?

As long as the games don't over ride the OS.

>
>    6)  How downwardly compatible are the AGA chips with the ECS chips?
>        Can I boot the machine in the old ECS mode to use non-AGA software,
>        or does ECS compatible software work fine under AGA?

100% I gather from previous postings here.  Somehow I got the impression
that ECS hardware is incorporated into AGA and you can switch to ECS at the
boot monitor.

>
>    7)  How well do commercial games run on the 4000?  I assume faster,
>        but are there any major problems getting them to run?

Provided they run on a >68000 processor and don't hit the hardware directly
they should run.

>
>Thanks again for any help that can be provided concerning these questions.
>
>Bob
>
>brandt@point.cs.uwm.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: umkormil@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sean Craig Kormilo)
Subject: Seagate problem ]I[
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:41:00 GMT

  Ok, my friend has his Seagate's DMA mask set to 0xfffe and it still
causes the same problems (but not as bad as before).  Should he re-format
the partition under that mask?  All cables & termination is correct, even
fixed up the SCSI IDs on the drives (the Q52 is now ID 0 and the Seagate
is ID 1).  An new ideas??
From: weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org (Jan Weigner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  040 vs Rocket Launcher
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:28:26 GMT
Organization: RCS Management Germany

In article <1993Jan23.193715.27724@bmerh85.bnr.ca> Hamish.Macdonald@bnr.ca (Hamish Macdonald) writes:
>>>>>> On 22 Jan 93 11:12:58 GMT,
>>>>>> In message <weigner.3504@rcshq.adsp.sub.org>,
>>>>>> weigner@rcshq.adsp.sub.org (Jan Weigner) wrote:
>
>Jan> If you write optimised 68040 code (floating point, caches and
>Jan> using one or two new commands) it will definetely not run on a
>Jan> 68030. And 68040 optimised packages for ultimate performance are
>Jan> already coming righ now.  There is a 68040 optimised version of
>Jan> Lightwave which is more than 10 times faster running on 28MHz
>Jan> 68040 card than on a Amiga 3000 (68030 25MHz).  Also REAL3D is
>Jan> coming in 68040 optimised version being currently 8 times quicker
>Jan> than an Amiga 3000 running it on a 28MHz Fusion-Forty 68040
>Jan> board.
>
>I'm not certain about this, but I'm pretty sure that the 68040 does
>not change the user programming model of the 680X0 as compared to the
>68030.
>
>I suspect that these new versions of these programs just have 2
>differences:
>
>1) Code ordered to keep the pipeline filled.

Compilers do not do that yet.

>2) Different selection of instructions which increase performance on
>   an '040

Isn't that what I said basically. Instead of taking the 68882 commands
take the FPU commands that are available with the 68040 and optimise
loops to fit into the larger cache.

This already results in a dramatic speed increase over the 68030/68882.



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From: dmann@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Dave Mann)
Subject: New System
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Date: 23 Jan 93 10:32:46 GMT

HI All,

	I'm interested in purchasing a new computer system, and am still
in a bind between a 486 or an Amiga. Can someone please point me in the
direction of a good Amiga dealer in Irvine (or around there) and tell me
what hardware is currently out there, and what's compatible with what?
Also looking to pay in "payments" if that's possible.. I'm currently
running on an Amy 1000 and am comfortable with the environment, so if
a good deal is out there on an outstanding machine, I'm still willing to
go Amiga (as opposed to the IBM PC world)...

Regards,
Dave Mann
From: RHorne@cup.portal.com (Richard Stanley Horne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: GVP crap
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 07:16:48 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <73251@cup.portal.com><pO7hs*4y1@caleb.UUCP>
  <GLEWIS.93Jan11115439@fws204.intel.com> <93017.120314CTLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>1/17/93 09:03 5/376 <CTLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
>If you are a certified CBM developer then send them a fax with that number and
>an explanation of what you wish to do. GVP is affraid of people reverse
>enginneering their products. Hey CBM doesn't give away development info either.
>If you have a problem with their product they will help you. But if you want to
>hack with their product you have to go through legal measures.

   This is not so.  In an attempt to get developer information for the GVP
DSS8 digitizer, I first called GVP "Technical Support."  They couldn't
answer any technical questions, but kindly suggested that I write to
Mr. Paul Higginbottom at GVP.  I proceeded to write a detailed letter to Mr.
Higginbottom, explained that I was an Amiga certified developer, explained
my project (use of the DSS 8 for voice recognition), and offered to sign any
non-disclosure agreement required by GVP.  I even sent along a disk with
examples of voice recognition using other 8 bit digitizers.  GVP and Mr.
Higginbottom have not even seen fit to send me a letter of rejection.  They
have simply ignored my request.  My letter was sent in September.  I have a
return receipt, so I know GVP received the letter.

   The bottom line is that if you are not a big commercial developer, GVP
will not give you the time of day.

                                                      Richard Horne
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: zarthac@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: A1200 -IDE Cable 2.5 -> 3.5
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:15:44 GMT
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C.P. Brown (cpb1001@cl.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan21.114706.2957@informatik.uni-bremen.de>, mk@einstein.informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE (Michael Kloss) writes: 
: |> Now my second Problem : I have read that I need a cabel
: |> from my 2.5 IDE Port to a 3.5 HD-Drive. I called a lot of
: |> people, but no one know that cable ! 
: |> So can a people here descript me how I build one by myself, PLEASE !

: I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's a standard 2.5"
: IDE cable that most PC laptops use.....

Right, but he wants to hook it up to a 3.5" IDE drive...

: Chris Brown

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From: davis@chem.canterbury.ac.nz (John Davis)
Subject: Re: Tape Backup
Reply-To: davis@chem.canterbury.ac.nz
Organization: Chem Dept, Uni of Canty, Chch, New Zealand
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:10:13 GMT

Jim Perkowski (jperkski@kentcomm.uucp) wrote:

>  You can pick up an A3070 for $349 from the Software Hut in PA. As to whether
> you will be able to connect it to an IBM scsi controller, I haven't the foggiest.

the 3070 is just a re-badged version of the tandberg 3600 as far as I know,
I've had had an IBM re-badged 3600 hooked up to the pc here, so if it works,
the 3070 will probably work too.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: jim@cs.curtin.edu.au (Jim McGrady)
Subject: Re: A quick alpha question...
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:38:49 GMT

bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

>mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) writes:
>> I have heard that there is an "Alpha" processor coming out from someone
>> that runs at 100Mhz, and being fully-RISC, produces 100 MIPS. I would like
>> to know how the megaflop rating of a RISC processor compares to its MIPS
>> rating...

>        Alpha is made by Digital (DEC).

>        As for Mflops ratings, it's not a imple matter of saying  X MIPS =
>Y MFLOPS. MIPS measures individual instructions, MFLOPS measure a floating
>point multiply and an add. Two processors may have very similar MIPS
>ratings, but if one has a much more efficient floating point unit it will
>have a higher MFLOPS rating.

Pardon my ignorance, but can someone explain how a SPECmark is calculated. 
MIPS seem to be in the bad books now, but its hard to tell if 50 million
SPECmarks is good without a point of reference :)

Jim
From: jodo@sbustd.rz.uni-sb.de (Joerg Dorchain)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: ------->A2286 Bridgeboard questions<-------
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:22:48 GMT
Organization: Studenten-Mail, Rechenzentrum Universitaet des Saarlandes
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fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu wrote:
:>In article <uleblanc.727126076@mcl>, uleblanc@mcl.ucsb.edu (Gregg Le Blanc) writes:
:>> Hi-
:>> 
:>> I would like to know if:
:>> The bridgeboard itself takes fastmem from the Amiga even if I'm not using
:>> it during my normal operations.  I have taken all the driver commands
:>> out of my startup-sequence that have to do with the BB and put them into
:>> a script file that I run to access the BB.
:>
:>	I think you could find this out using the avail command before
:>	and after you run your script.  I think the BB takes up about
:>	512K of address space, but very little fastram unless you're
:>	using the PC windows and such.
I also have an A2286 Bridgeboard, but I didn`t notice it using
fastram if not used. The only thingis that the BB behave like an
ordenary slotcard that uses 512K addressspace above your fastram.
(Thats why you can get only 6MB into an BB-Amiga)
:>> 
:>> If the BB does take up fastmem when not in use, can I do something
:>> to make the Amiga ignore its presence?
:>
:>	Have you tried commenting out all references to BB programs in
:>	your startup-sequence and user-startup.  If you also store
:>	janus.library away from the expansion drawer it might help.
:>
:>	Of course, if you want to run the BB, you will have to undo these
:>	things, so you might want to put comments in the startup files to
:>	remind you.
As I said, Idon`t have this problems.

:>> Is there any economical way to speed the 286 up to say, 10 mHz, or
:>> 12 mHz?
:>
:>	Hey this is interesting!  Has any body tried replacing the 
:>	286 on the BB with a faster part?  I'd like to know too.
:>
Yes, there is. I bought my BB second hand with an 12MHz-upgrade-kit
build in. There are (few) merchants, but there are. I don`t know
any addresses, but I suggest you just to look at ads in magazines.

Joerg Dorchain

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Internal Supra (2400zi) bogging down my system!
From: mchandy@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:10:14 EST

> We just added a third phone line two weeks ago, and hooked it up to an internal
> Supra 2400zi (plain 2400bd) modem.  Whenever someone logs onto this line, there
> is a MAJOR slowdown throughout the whole system.  Transfers to/from the PC
> always abort and my own console (sysop) slows down.
> 
> Any idea why this is?  The driver software for the Supra (modem0.device) is
> version 2.5 I believe.  Oh, I also have another unused Supra 2400zi sitting in
> another internal slot... but we're not using it so I assume it's not affecting
> anything.
> 
> Why would the use of the 2400bd modem be slowing everything down?  Is it that
> the main bus is becoming too busy, or is it a problem with the modem.  I guess
> I could try using the other unused modem for a while...

Randy,
	I am a sysop of the  Casino Royale BBS, Inc.  We  have been running
on Amiga C-Net since  April, 1991, and when we started, we were using 2
internal Supra zi modems.   The rest of our system (as it is now) is:
Amiga 2500/020, and Trumpcard  Pro.

	We had the same problems as you describe, and we were ok (even
though there was a noticible  slowdown (especially when users were  uploading
to the supra modems).   This really caused no  problems  until we 
purchased a USRobotics 14.4K Dual STD and started using it via the 
Amiga's serial port. This caused all sorts of problems, espically uploads  to
the DUAL.  

	When another user was on the Supra internals, it  caused  all sorts
of errors to occur  on the  Dual  line.  When the Supras were idle, there
was no problem.  But even as much as  a PHONE RING on the   supras  would
cause  errors on the dual line.   

	So we purchased a C=2232 multiserial card, and installed the 
USR modem on it and this  resolved the errors, but not the  slowdown
when people were using  the supra modems.  Since then, we  have gotten
rid of the internal  modems,  and have put up externals on the 2232 card.
Now, there are no slowdowns or anything of  the like. 

	I highly recommend you  get  rid of the  internal modems.  The 
people at Supra  were nice enough to exchange one of our internal modems
for the external model, since  the internal was still under warranty.
Hopefully your serial  card  has enough ports so that you can do this.

	Mike
	mchandy@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu

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