HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfh@greenber.austin.ibm.com (John F Haugh II)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Reduce AIDS Funding
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:49:22 GMT
Organization: Best Care South of the Red River, LCC, Austin, Republic of Texas

In article <1992Apr7.054536.2866@news.unomaha.edu> ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>It's possible to find a cure for AIDS, and AIDS isn't caused by gay sex.
>On the other hand, there is no cure for lung gunk from inhaling the smoke
>of a burning plant. Gay sex is natural; smoking is stupid.

Is this based on science or wishful thinking?  I believe that one body
of thought surrounding genital herpes is that since the virus "hides"
in parts of the body that aren't reached by antibodies, etc., that
genital herpes is likely to never be cured.

And no, AIDS isn't caused by gay sex, but as others have pointed out
in medical literature, with homosexuals having very high rates for other
sexually transmitted diseases, AIDS does tend to favor people who practice
gay sex[*].  The 90% of AIDS victims in California that are gay bear this
out - and when you consider the 10% of California is "supposed" to be gay,
that's still quite a feat for a disease that isn't "caused by gay sex".

[* An early theory was that with homosexuals suffering from syphillis and
  gonorhea significanlty moreso that heterosexuals, that these illnesses
  provided greater oppurtunities for HIV to infect their bodies.  A study in
  NYC found that a significant number of HIV+ individuals were also positive
  for other STDs, which supports this belief. ]
-- 
John F. Haugh II      | VNET: LCCB386 at AUSVMQ | "Physical Fitness is the
SneakerNet: 042/2F068 | MaBell: (512) 823-1078  |  basis for all other forms
Internet: jfh@devnet.la.locus.com               |  of excellence"  -- JFK
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: postcard mutilations?
Reply-To: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 14:26:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.102830.29265@ircam.fr>, francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
writes:
|> How odd. I've mailed polaroids of vaguely nude friends with an address
|> and a stamp on the back and they always get through with no problem. I
|> guess they are more rigid.

The polaroids or the friends?
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Harpsichords (was:Czech this out)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 08:29:23 GMT


In article
<1992Apr17.014555.1889@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca>
aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:

>In article <92106.193203IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
>IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T.  Murphy) writes:

>>not to insult jess, but harpsichords are such wonderful objects
>>that one doesn't NEED a lot of skill for people to anjoy hearing
>>them played...  a woman who could play one of those things could
>>ask anything....

I don't disagree, but I don't quite agree, either.  About a
year after I got my harpsichord, Frans Brueggen and Alan
Curtis gave a recital in Madison.  Alan is an old friend of
mine from early college days, so I invited him over to see
and play this quite remarkable instrument.  Hearing the
Goldberg Variations in one's own living room, played by a
truly great master of the instrument, is enjoyment of a
different order than just hearing the instrument played by
somebody.  Furthermore ...

>Agreed. I'm very sensitive about my harpsichord playing, since I'm not  
>very good and I don't like to annoy people with the weeks of endless work  
>it takes me to learn even the simplest fugue. However, when friends of  
>mine come over, even if they are highly mediocre players, the sound of the  
>instrument is so beautiful that I could listen for hours. Much better in  
>real life than on CD.

...  the sound of the instrument manifests particularly
poorly to the person playing it, especially if there's music
on the rack between the player and the strings.  Listening
to someone else puts a person in a *much* better position
for hearing the actual sound the thing makes.

>Now, at the baroque workshop I attended last summer in Marin County, a  
>woman there arranged the "Concerto for Four Harpsichords and Harpsichord",  
>which was the first performed work that actually caused me to shed tears  
>during its performance. Gods above, what a sound!

I'm assuming you mean the Bach Concerto for 4 Hpds and
Strings.  Gad, it's hard to believe it's already 15 years,
but in 1977, Igor Kipnis invited me to come to Indianapolis
for a month-long Baroque music institute, where we played
(guess what?) that very piece.  'Tis a glorious lot of
clanging, truly it is.

>ObMotss: oh, I can't think of any motss relevance to this.
>Sigh...

Of course there is; harpsichordists are queer as coots; Igor
is one of the very few exceptions.

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman)
Subject: Re: Do I have to live in th USA?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:31:29 GMT

dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>In article <exotica.702326824@milton> exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman) writes:

>>Paris:      Jojo...oh my god.... 

>and "thank you Jeff, for a good time...."

>Or did Jojo not tell you?

Oh, my dear! He did tell me and I do thank you, effusively! Don't think
I didn't remember...I haven't even begun to do all my telling and thanking!

(Not that there are many to thank, just a few to be thanked over and over 
again...)           

Tsilke    
Thinking about Jojo's Paris, FRAAAANCE, "B" magazine and the lime green army
Volkswagen van...
>FWA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Lou Sheldon is Mad at Pete Wilson -- news item
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:13:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.181459.14562@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> According to my impression, you should be impressed with our
> very own Peanut Sale, but his many accomplishments do not
> include authoring the works of Edward Gorey -- yet.

Even under the nom d'inversion of Dreary Wodge (who is credited with
the cover illustration to a delightful spoof History of English
Literature named "From Beowulf to Virginia Woolf" -- which
illustration is in ol' Dreary's inimitable style).
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ice Axes (Was: Re: D.C.con?)
Date: 13 Apr 1992 11:10:36 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <36190@ogicse.ogi.edu> 
markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:
| In article <kuhh6nINNmt3@mizar.usc.edu> 
| adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

| >                             As one who is finding that his current
| >sit- and crunch-ups exercise routine is taxing him to the limits,
| >I just might have to sit that hike out.
|
| Training?!?  Thanks for the warning, I'll start now.  

Yes, training.  And no, *not* for hiking.

|                                                   Seriously, if you can
| do a normal 10-12 mile hike in one day, then you can do this climb.  The

Can I do a normal 10-12 mile hike in one day?  How would I know?

| ice axe is only for the last part of the ascent (which could be optional
| for some) and to use as a brake on the glissade.  Actually, the glissade
| has *lots* of runnout, so the ice axe *could* be considered optional.

That's a comfort to know.

| >Oh dear.  I'd hate to resole several pairs of perfectly good heels just
| >for this trip.  Would it possible to convince a few of you big strong
| >boys to play sherpa for the day and *carry* me up the ice cliffs?  
|
| Cliffs?  No, we won't go that way.  Tho I would be willing to organize
| a separate trip for phobes through the cliffs.  And I promise not to
| lose a single one  ;-)

Will you be my sherpa?

| >I'd pay you handsomely.
|
| Strange, I would have thought is was "handsomely pay".

I'm old fashioned about such things.

| >You rang?  Glissade, echappe', glissade, echappe', bourree...
|
| Now cut that out!
|
| --mark
| imagining Arne performing swan lake on the summit of adams

Now *that* is something I can see training for.

Arne
From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Turing and "The Machine that changed the world"
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:32:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Apr9.033817.7290@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>If it's not obvious, I have no problem with a stuttering Turing, but I
>do have a problem with a stuttering Turing who stutters in exactly the
>same way Claudius did.

	As an actor, I'm well aware how hard habits like
	these are hard to break.  I'd probably be inclined
	to cut him more slack than you have, but I haven't
	seen the Turing show, so I can't really say.
>
>Perhaps Jacobi forgets how his portrayal of Claudius runs
>and reruns over and over and over again on PBS, but it's a
>very familiar role with a very exposed device.  I would have
>thought that it's possible for him to stutter in a slightly
>different manner than that asthmatic, explosive manner so
>peculiar to Claudius.

	Probably it was hard to learn in the first place,
	which makes it that much harder to unlearn.

	I agree that a variation would have been a good idea.

	-R

--
There is a sad gaiety in our love, and though we have more wit
than Sunday lovers by the water's edge, our wit attracts misfortune.
							-- Genet
Randy Clark			{}!autodesk.com!randyc
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Bryan J. Blumberg <b_blumberg@macsch.com>
Subject: Re: Bryan Blumberg and the irrellevant charter of soc.motss.
Organization: Systems Integration Branch
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 17:45:27 GMT

To Donn F. Pedro,

On April 7, dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro) wrote an
article commenting on something I posted on March 25 regarding
my posting of homophobic texts.

I tried writing to him privately, but his host is unknown
from my site.  If Donn is reading this, would you kindly
send me another mailing address for yourself or your phone
number.

I would like to talk to you in private, rather than to resurrect
another round of what took place on soc.motss two weeks ago.

========================================
Bryan  J. Blumberg, The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation
815 Colorado Boulevard, Los Angeles, California  90041-1777
(213) 259-4914, B_BLUMBERG@MACSCH.COM
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Jack Korkheimer, Star Hustler
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:06:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr14.040652.10969
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Apr14.001559.1195@news.unomaha.edu> ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>[Star Hustler]
>Against Queer: that jacket!

The jacket was the first material tipoff for me - I mean come on,
Members Only? They may be ugly, but they're very queer.

And yes, it is Jack Horkheimer, not Korkheimer. Still sounds obscene.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                                    D is for lots of things
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:46:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.36219
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Apr14.040027.22794@u.washington.edu> rhiann@milton.u.washington.edu (Sandra Hereld) writes:
>I write:
>>(believe it or not, but this could be an actual conversation in Ballard, Wa)
>>                                                                ^^^^^^^^
>>--mark
>>
>I don't want to get back to the thread discussing whether beer is significant
>or not, but you haven't lived as a beer drinker until you've seen a Ballard
>Bitter Bottle, with its turnof the century ballardite, (read Norwegian/Swede)
>and the logo "Ya Sure, ya betcha."  (Of course, beer is significant...)

My favorite brew in all of the world!  The bottle is great, but you must
have it on tap to enjoy it.  Jake O'Shannessy's [sp?] at Bellevue Square,
on the patio during July (they feature about 40 taps of microbrewery ales
during July), sipping Bitters and watching all the beautiful people.
Sigh.  Almost makes me willing to go back to work for Boeing.

--mark
dreaming of black and tans at Kell's in Post Alley
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GLB+ hangouts on the Internet
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:06:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Apr12.140649.327
Organization: insert anything here


Re: IRC

	I basically agree with everything everyone has said.

	#gblf tends to get bogged down in the "noise" more than
it used to.  A lot of stuff is really vacuous e-giggling, with
nearly hourly "age checks", "geography checks" and "gender checks"
(as if any of these things matter - you're all amber phoshpor to me! :-).

	Another problem is overcrowding - #gblf (nee +gblf nee "33")
now frequently has over 15 people on it (sometimes close to 30) all
talking at once...  Spinning off to #gblf2 ... #gblfN helps but
the inertia for people to take each sub-topic to a spinoff channel
is really high...  

	However, I have met some really nice people on there and have 
had some interesting convos.

	There is *no* reason however, that a #motss channel can't
be started to compliment #gblf #bi #sappho #bears and #Crossdress (only
#gblf seems to be active 24 hrs/day - but I have seen all the others
occasionally/frequently).    If people get onto IRC and want to make
a quieter discussion/convo_oriented channel, just /msg me!

BBC

P.S.  My upstairs neighbors might be moving out!!!!!!!!  Peace at last!
(I'm not sure - but there is a U-Haul outside)...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: 1-800-876-1199: OUT!
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 08:41:03 GMT

In <1992Apr11.212214.29887@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

>In article <9204101857.AA03829@sub.its.rpi.edu>, buckmr@RPI.EDU (Rondel K. Buckmire) writes:
>| OUT! is supposed to be a lesbian and gay fashion/lifestyle magazine with no 
>| phone-sex ads etc. Sort of like a Queer _Vanity Fair_ or _Details_ or
>| something like that.

>The mind boggles.  If Vanity Fair isn't gay, I'm Sonja Heine.
>-- 
>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu

Grabbed without permission from April  6, 1992, Monday,
FINAL EDITION USA TODAY
     Lou Reed, David Byrne, k.d. lang and Debbie Harry sing for  gay  rights on
Get Out, a pop CD available only with a new  gay/ lesbian magazine.
   Sire Records and Out are offering the 17-song CD free to callers who sign up
for an $ 11.95, three-issue subscription to the general-interest  gay
quarterly, launching in June.
   Sire got thumbs-up from all 25 artists it approached. The 17 slots went to
those who replied quickest, including Morrissey and the Tom Tom Club.
   ''It's time for more of us to use our visibility to transmit positive
messages to  gay  men and lesbians,'' says Book of Love's Ted Ottaviano. ''For
so long,  gay  people have been a community under siege.''
   Though long active in social causes, the music industry was slow to respond
to the AIDS crisis. Get Out, along with a recent spate of benefit records and
concerts, takes another step toward dispelling rock's homophobic reputation.
   Says Sire's Howard Klein, ''added to the mosaic of efforts the industry is
making, this CD can only help.''
   Starting April 15, fans can order Out and the promotional CD by calling
800-876-1199.


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 The truth belongs to everyone.  |  if you're ashamed of what you are.
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From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:44:59 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Apr9.071440.16330@news.unomaha.edu> ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>Motss relevance: What's your favorite pair of shoes?

Either my knee high motorcycle boots, my knee high logger boots or my
daily wear motorcycle boots.   Close second, my old army boots... I have
walked all over europe in them.


All boots are black.



FWA
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Those Big Northern People (was Re: outing the stars)
Date: 17 Apr 1992 10:49:59 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Apr17.151647.2293@spdcc.com> 
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
...
| My first motss experience was the hambo.
|
| Seriously, in April 1978 I had just decided to come out,
| and was trying to figure out how to meet people, when I
| heard about a friendly gay folk dance group. 

I was quite involved in folk dancing when I was younger,
and I found that all of the folk dance people and cafes were 
very gay-friendly.  I was also a member of a *professional*
folk dance group -- yes, they exist; 18 years later I still
remember the choreography -- for about a year, and I'd say that 
it was about half gay.  

My favorite motss dances were Greek and Romanian.  So *fierce*.

Arne
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:52:10 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


     I agree (I forgot the message # for the post I am responding to) that
     Madonna is not exploiting homosexuality or homosexuals.  As a matter
     of fact, I think the undeniable presence of gay dancrs in "Truth or 
     Dare" was an incredible risk that could have easily backfired, except
     for one thing :  Madonna knows her audience and appreciates them
     
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:13:58 GMT

In article <bpqjtzf.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>Well, practice makes perfect.  What do you folks out there have to say
>about the proper way to walk in boots?

Upright.

If you haven't done so already, run out and buy cushioned insoles for your
boots.  Goddess, they made a world of difference to my feet as I was
breaking in my boots mine.

I had bought mine a year ago, primarily for country & western dancing.  The
first time I wore them out to a dance was July 6, 1991, the evening of
the Triangle Squares' summer dance.  We had the auditorium of the 519
Community Centre, a very large room with a lovely hardwood floor.  Chris,
the TS director, thought a little dance wax would improve the quality of
the dance floor, but misjudged the quantity.  I discovered this by sliding
ten feet, spinning twice and falling flat on my ass in what should have been
a trivial 4-step under-arm turn. 

A little later that evening, we managed through a simple clogging number
without too many casualties, so our DJ put on "High Horse", a fast,
intermediate-level dance.  Everyone of us bailed out or wiped out.

Golden memories of my first pair of boots...

Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Maurice
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:21:51 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini):
> There is another early 20th century Brit movie called "A different country"
> with gay characters with a similar atmosphere.

i think you mean _Another Country_.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:49:42 GMT
Organization: Xiola Blue

Jack Hamilton writes:

>Well, practice makes perfect.  What do you folks out there have to say
>about the proper way to walk in boots?

Please, follow net.etiquette.  This should have been posted directly to
rec.petula.clark and not here.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Subject: Re: Harlan Ellison (was Re: Heinlein & Who Are Vincent's Three?)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 07:18:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

In article <1992Apr13.222417.25764@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In article <92104.144616IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
>IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T.  Murphy) writes:
>>my guesses as to why no one has ever made a pass at Ellison:
>>1) he's too short;

>How short is that?  Is there a minimum height I
>hadn't heard about?

Indeed, I for one find the interest factor rising 
as the height factor goes down.
:-)

And I suspect that making a pass at Ellison would be like petting
a wolverine.
Though I am loathe to bad-mouth him, he's one of the few from the ranks of
those who've made their fortune in the field to take effort to honor
and assist My pal Fritz ( leiber ). 

LUX .. owen
-- 
D. Owen Rowley .. Note this acct is not my primary USENET access
mail gets to me quicker if you send it to owen@autodesk.com

*No matter where you go, there you are.*
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