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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Cthulhu for Prez!!
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:11:55 GMT

hey wait .. i thought that was the criteria for all great literary works...
 just look at Lord Byron the Laudenum addict...

sure this line is about ghost stories ... but arent horror stories usually about bad ghosts ... or demons ??? i think hairs are being split .. and i dont mean to be an antagonist ... but lets face it wether real or not. LoveCraft wrote horror/ghost stories ..
as far as Cthulu being Prez... everyone is entitled to there choice ..
and besides at least u know his platform unlike real life politicians ... 
...

lets just have fun ... and if chanting Cthulu helps people vent .. let them ...


 thats all i have to say on the subject ..


 Steve C.
From: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Cthulhu for Prez!!
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:28:07 GMT
Organization: Vampire Research Group at Berkeley :)
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct5.161155.901@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com writes:
>hey wait .. i thought that was the criteria for all great literary works...
> just look at Lord Byron the Laudenum addict...
[presumably a reference to a previous poster's claim (?) that Moorcock did
heroin].
   Byron was not a laudanum (opium) addict; that was his friend, Coleridge
("Rime of the Ancient Mariner," "Kubla Khan," etc.). Byron confined himself
to alcohol and the clap.

>sure this line is about ghost stories ... but arent horror stories usually about
>bad ghosts ... or demons ??? i think hairs are being split .. and i dont mean
>to be an antagonist ... but lets face it wether real or not. LoveCraft wrote
> horror/ghost stories ..
   Hairs are being split. I think these ones should be, _despite_ posting
about Cthulhu. In any case, it seems alt.cthulhu _will_ exist soon, so we
can move this there and talk undisturbed.

>as far as Cthulu being Prez... everyone is entitled to there choice ..
>and besides at least u know his platform unlike real life politicians ... 
   Oh, we know they're platforms alright, it's that there's no way they can
keep them.

> Steve C.
	Cosma Rohilla Shalizi
	In Real Life: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu
	larval physicist
-- 
"Apart from hydrogen, the most common thing in the universe is stupidity."
-Harlan Ellison, _An Edge in My Voice_
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Filmed/Taped Evidence
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:40:44 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK


  With all the stories about ghosts around, there seems to be very
little evidence on film or tape of ghostly activity, but there was
one tape I heard which was very spooky.
  A few months ago I went to a sort of talk about ghosts and para-
psychology - loads of good stories, plus an interview with a couple
of local mediums.  One of the stories concerned a church in East
Anglia, out in the middle of nowhere.  The church had fallen into 
disuse, and the church of England authorities had boarded it up
after stories of ghostly activity in and around the church.
  After a lot of negotiation, a couple of parapsychologists managed
to gain access to the church for two nights.  The first night they
left a tape recorder in the church, and left the building.
  They stayed outside that night to check that noone was going into
the building, and the next morning when they played the tape, there
were all kinds of noises on it.  We were played the tape, and 
there were some very strange noises on it.  First of all, heavy
footsteps, thumps and things being moved.  Then a very heavy sigh,
very close to the tape recorder followed by more footsteps, and
a heavy door being closed.
  The door was the strangest thing about it.  There was only one
door to the church, which was the main one being guarded by the
scientists.  However, they later found out that there had been
a second door near the alter which had been bricked up many
years before - and this was the door that was closing on the tape!!
  The next night, the scientists decided to tape the church again,
only this time they would spend the night in there.  Most of
the night, nothing happened, but the noises started up again,
accompanied by glowing lights near the alter.  These lights went
from being small pin pricks to being long staff-like glows which
began to move down the aisle towards the scientists.  When a large
book was thrown at them, they felt it best to get out of there pronto!
  The next morning, they went back in to check on the tape recorder,
and found it smashed to pieces. 

  The church was boarded up again, and to my knowledge, no-one has
been allowed in there since!
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: GO START ALT.CTHULHU, DAMMIT
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:12:10 GMT


The charter of alt.folklore.ghost-stories is as follows:

Alt.folklore.ghost-stories is intended to provide a forum for discussion and
posting of ghost stories, both personal experiences and those which have been
passed on from others.  "Ghost stories" can include local retellings of the
"Vanishing Hitchhiker" legend, popular local ghost legends, personal experi-
ences, stories told to you in dark rooms on Halloween, classic ghost story
plot and narrative elements, and so forth.  The purpose of all this is to
allow those interested in ghost stories to discuss and enjoy them with one
another.

This newsgroup is NOT alt.cthulhu!  NOWHERE IN THE CHARTER will you find
ANYTHING about Cthulhu!  Take discussions of Cthulhu to alt.devilbunnies
or alt.horror or alt.fan.lovecraft or SOMEPLACE OTHER THAN HERE.
From: vlaurent@cactus.org (Vince Laurent)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Looking for ghosts
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:05:49 GMT
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx

I am trying to locate haunts in the Austin, Texas area.  I am interested
in 'ghosts' and am trying to get a personal experience ("Yeah, right. 
Why would anyone want to look for a ghost?").  If you have suggestions
for locations, ideas to help locate haunts/ghosts PLEASE drop me a 
line!


-- 
Vince Laurent 
Internet  vlaurent@cactus.org
Connect America BBS 1:382/10
From: silk@mcl.ucsb.edu (ken | mencher)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: GO START ALT.CTHULHU, DAMMIT
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:58:14 GMT

If you don't want it on here, just make a kill file for it, damnit!!!!

ken
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: re: Cthulhu belongs here!
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 05:30:31 GMT


Peder Larsen (pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:

>        What's the big deal, let Cthulhu stay!!!  There is plenty of room
>and if you don't want to read a story or comment about him, don't.  Even
>I skip most of the articles concerning him but they are still interesting
>and could even be considered a ghost story of sorts.
>

Absolutely not, Mr. Larsen.  You apparently have a misimpression of the reason
for creating named newsgroups as opposed to having everything in one group
called net.chatter.  You also have a total lack of comprehension of the
purpose for having a newsgroup charter, which alt.folklore.ghost-stories
manifestly has:

      The charter of alt.folklore.ghost-stories is as follows: Alt.folk-
      lore.ghost-stories is intended to provide a forum for discussion
      and posting of ghost stories, both personal experiences and those
      which have been passed on from others.  "Ghost stories" can
      include local retellings of the "Vanishing Hitchhiker" legend,
      popular local ghost legends, personal experiences, stories told to
      you in dark rooms on Halloween, classic ghost story plot and
      narrative elements, and so forth.  The purpose of all this is to
      allow those interested in ghost stories to discuss and enjoy them
      with one another.

One purpose of having a charter is to explain to people such as yourself what
the group is intended for.  Another purpose is to act as a guideline if and
when people such as yourself refuse to behave politely and demand that your
irrelevant, off-topic chatter is topical and that there's "plenty of room."

There is ALSO "plenty of room" in alt.horror.  Take it there.  Or return to
alt.config and re-propose alt.cthulhu.

PLEASE take the Cthulhu chatter elsewhere.

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Joel Furr                                                jfurr@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu
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From: naran@fraser.sfu.ca (Travers Naran)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Real Indian warning...
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:58:22 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks) writes:
>I thought that although it isn't truly a "ghost story" you might be interested
>in a real-life instance of an Indian warning about a "haunted" place coming
>true...

Not the first one. Most of the Hopi prophecies come to mind.

>Back a hundred years or so ago, when white people first started to move into
>the area around Mt. St. Helens (Washington state), the Indians warned them to
>stay away from Spirit Lake, which, despite it being a beautiful place, they
>were careful to do, only using the area when the huckleberries were ripe.
>Although the area never became heavily settled, it did attract quite a few
>mountain cabins, and one big resort cabin eventually. The older Indians often
>said "but when you go out on the lake, you can see bubbles rising from the
>dead on the bottom!"

That is exactly the reason why I feel more attention should be paid to legends
and stories by the "native folk". The native folk, in this context, means
simply all those people who have lived in that area for a long period of time
like the local Native Amiercans, or in the case of certain areas in the
Mid-west the European descended farmers. They notice those tell tale signs like
the earthquakes, gas pockets dribbling to the surface, etc. They make up
stories to fit those phenomena into their daily lives and live by it. Not a bad
idea, and not entirely different from Urban Legends. In fact, almost the same.

>And when St. Helens blew up, guess where almost all the deaths were? And none
>of them were Indians....
>(An interesting side note; although accepted theory puts the Indians in the
>US at only 10,000 years ago, the local Indians insist differently, and indeed,
>the mountain did at some time in the distant past send down a smaller ash flow
>that formed the lake, and would certainly have killed any Indians living in
>that area.... makes ya wonder.... :-)

Not really, the only problem is there was no evidence of Homo Sapiens (or for
that matter, any member of the Homonid branch) existing in North America, let
alone all of the Americas, before 10 000 years ago. But lack of proof does not
necesarily mean concrete proof for a theory. Proof by lack of counter-example
is a weak explaination and only useful in Archeology as a stop-gap measure.

-- 
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From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Grizabella)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Street Light Story
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:51:19 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-17623]: thor

In article <5OCT199210451329@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> devol@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WILLIAM DEVOL) writes:
>It happened!  While I was on vacation in Cancun, Mexico, my wife and I were
>waiting for a bus to take us downtown late in the evening when the street
>light we were standing under winked out.  All the other lights remained on.
> The first thing I said was, "Now, I can tell my news group."  The second
>thing I said was, "I hope all the other stuff folks have been writing about
>doesn't start happening to me."
>
>Please, don't ruin it for me by saying that it was a faulty bulb.  That
>takes all the fun out of it.
>

Ok, I won't tell you, but I will add a "Me, too" to the end of it.
In fact, there are two separate streetlights that *ALWAYS* go out
whenever I pass under them. I'm beginning to wonder if 1) I'm cursed
or 2) I'm so ugly that the streetlights want to protect the rest of
society. Needless-to-say, I hope it's the former... :)

Meow...
-- 
			 ||     "I'm a woman, and can't be taken for granted.
Misti D. Jordan          ||           Life's a bitch... now so am I."
jordan@cs.tulane.edu     ||                         -- CatWoman
   "To love another person is to see the face of God..." -- Les Miserables
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From: kamata01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories,alt.horror
Subject: Re: Cthulhu for Prez!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:11:19 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


Hello everyone.  My name is Kymberli... and I just noticed this group today..
It looks really interesting.  I just thought I'd intorduce myself since I had
already made some general comments.... I just have a question....

Who is ....
> CTHULHU 

Thanks

 Kymberli
From: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Cthulhu belongs here !
Date: 1 Oct 1992 20:16:31 GMT
Organization: Vampire Research Group at Berkeley :)
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep30.204239.13609@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com writes:
>what do u mean he doenst belong here ???
>
>Cthulhu is an ancient folklore demon.... 
>so a guy named H.P. Lovecraft intoduced him to the public....
>his stories are ghost stories ... please go Flame another board ...
>
> Steve C.

    This is manifestly FALSE. Cthulhu is an 'ancient folklore demon' only if
by 'ancient' you mean 'seventy years old' and by folklore you mean 'the mag-
azine _Weird Tales_.' H. P. Lovecraft did not 'introduced him to the public,'
he invented Cthulhu. Stories about Cthulhu are NOT ghost stories; certainly
not ghost stories of the type specified by the charter of a.f.g-s. Cthulhu
does NOT belong here; I posted an article about him here because I didn't
bother to look at the news-groups line. He belongs in alt.horror, or possibly
the-as-yet-nonexistant alt.cthulhu.
	Cosma Rohilla Shalizi
	In Real Life: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu
	larval physicist refraining from spelling flames with difficulty
	VP, Campus Crusade for Cthulhu (Berkeley)

-- 
"Some savages are persuaded by the 'natural light' that it is their duty to
 eat people, and even Voltaire's savages, who are led by the voice of reason
 to hold that one should only eat Jesuits, are not wholly satisfactory."
-Bertrand Russell on Rousseau in _A History of Western Philosophy_, p. 694
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From: mikeg@luser.UUCP (Mike Gallenstein)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories,alt.horror
Subject: Re: Cthulhu for Prez!!
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:26:54 EDT
Reply-To: mikeg@luser.UUCP
FollowUp-To: alt.horror
Distribution: world
Organization: Lunartronic Information Service
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <1992Sep27.155010.26701@rchland.ibm.com>, Jared Dahl writes:

>
> Why accept a lesser evil?
> CTHULHU for President 1992!
> 

I have *GOT* to have one of these!!!

This kind of reminds me of a sign I used to have in my car.  It was an
imitation of the "baby on board" sign.  This one said "CTHULHU on board" 
Anybody else besides me have on of these?  Or can one still get them?

--
  ______________________________
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/        mikeg@luser.UUCP        \  through my head.  And it's making me so
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  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    will I ever learn?  Old love."
From: jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: sources of ghosts
Date: 6 Oct 1992 09:48:46 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I continue to be interested in the subject of why ghosts haunt the places they
do, assuming that there are ghosts.  

I have heard theories, based on nothing more than idle speculation, that many
ghosts are not spirits of the dead per se but rather psychometric recordings
of human emotional activity.  In other words, if a human or humans felt strong
emotions such as fear or hate in a locale, the emotional force generated might
leave 'marks' in the area, with the ultimate result being that other humans
coming along later might experience 'playbacks' of these feelings.  This is
sorta gibberish to me as I write it, but it sounds kinda interesting.  Remem-
ber, I don't believe in ghosts, but I like discussing them!

Let's extend this theory to the Lyric Theater.  I think theaters are likely to
be places in which you would get 'recordings' of this sort, based on several
factors:

      1) theaters stimulate feelings of excitement, fear, hate, alarm,
      love, amusement, etc. in the people watching the movies there.

      2) theaters are places in which humans often come for other
      reasons, such as teenagers who go to see a movie but really are
      there to neck and thus generate strong emotion.

      3) theaters are places where movies are shown and thus, people
      watching the movies may leave 'recordings' of what they see in the
      theater itself.

      4) for various reasons, theaters moreso than other buildings often
      seem to have "personalities".  I don't mean generic plasticine
      mall cineplexes, but old downtown single-screen theaters, drive-
      ins, theaters for stage productions, etc. etc.  Walking into a
      given theater never feels quite like any other theater.

Harkening back again to the Lyric Theater "ghosts," there seemed to be a wide
range of ghost "types" there.  You had the presumably malevolent force in the
dark room, you had the screaming woman, you had the talking couples and
individuals, and you had the random and sudden cold chills and drafts.  You
also had Russell, but he was alive.  The wide range of ghost "types" in the
Lyric might be explained by any or all of the factors listed above... the
screaming woman could be a 'playback' from horror movies viewed there; the
"malevolent force" could be a 'playback' from an employee who hated working
there; the talking couple and individuals could be 'playbacks' from couples
and individuals who frequently attended the Lyric.

I dunno if any of this makes sense, but what do you think?

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Joel Furr                                                   jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: rhadden@isdres.er.usgs.gov
Subject: RE: Halloween
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:24:52 GMT

There's the famous story of the small town in North Carolina where a little
girl was run over and killed while trick or treating. Rumours go that she
joins other groups of trick or treaters dressed as an angel, but will never
come forward to actually take any candy. As a ghost, she is harmless, but
scares the heck out of the girls who go out in groups. One good point is that
it teaches the groups to learn ohow to count, in case "one extra" shows up.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen)
Subject: Re: Filmed/Taped Evidence
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:22:30 GMT

ken@batman.austin.ibm.com writes:

>week). Yee-haw...NOT! What a waste - I'd rather see more footage
>of spooks than see Garth Brooks do the "Will he quit?" thing (it's
>almost as bad as Ross perot)...

	I'd rather see Garth!  He's a lot more interesting.
From: tarheit@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (timothy arheit)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Cthulhu for Prez!!
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:24:03 GMT

uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!) writes:
: 
: >In <1992Oct1.181814.10424@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
: 
: >And what about all the other lords of chaos, eh?
: 
: >My Lord Arioch and Queen Xiombarg of Swords would be a winner.
: >A female Veep.  Well, kinda....
: 
: You think Cthulhu is a Melnibonean Lord of Chaos??!?  Hah!!!  He eats lowlife
: sissy wimps like them for breakfast!
: 
: Does Cthulhu have a running mate?  Perhaps Yog-Sothoth, or maybe H***** (after
: all, his name *is* unspeakable!)?  Or maybe he just plain doesn't need one?
******** Cthulhu and Satan 92' ***********************
When you're tired of chosing the lesser of 2 evils.

-TA
From: silk@mcl.ucsb.edu (ken | mencher)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Cthulhu for Prez!!
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:41:55 GMT

In <1992Oct1.181814.10424@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:

>But Great Cthulu isn't a citizen of the United States of America!

But of course Cthulhu is a citizen!!!  He has been here forever, and will
always be!

>And what about all the other lords of chaos, eh?

lords???  of chaos??  Cthulhu isn't a lord of chaos..and if he was, there
wouldn't be any others.

>My Lord Arioch and Queen Xiombarg of Swords would be a winner.
>A female Veep.  Well, kinda....

Oh my...I laugh too hard for words...Really, as if they could really rule
America.


<insert liberal amounts of smileys...>
>--
>"I was trying to figure out which of my friends were hedgehogs, and which
>were foxes...."
>"Shakespeare wrote _King Lear_, NOT _King Leo_...."

ken
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Street Light Story
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:22:59 GMT

In article 2219@bvc.edu, frantz@bvc.edu () writes:
> In article <5OCT199210451329@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, devol@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WILLIAM DEVOL) writes:
> > It happened!  While I was on vacation in Cancun, Mexico, my wife and I were 
> > waiting for a bus to take us downtown late in the evening when the street 
> > light we were standing under winked out.  All the other lights remained on. 
> >  The first thing I said was, "Now, I can tell my news group."  The second 
> > thing I said was, "I hope all the other stuff folks have been writing about 
> > doesn't start happening to me."
> > 
> > Please, don't ruin it for me by saying that it was a faulty bulb.  That 
> > takes all the fun out of it.
> > 
> > ********************************************************
> > 
> > Friends don't let friends go to Miami University.
> > 
> > Remember to post a ghost!
> > 
> > Bill Devol
> > 
> > ******************************************************* 
> 
> 
> Forgive me if this is an incredibly stupid question, but what does it mean 
> if a streetlight goes out while you're under it?  Is there a superstition 
> attached to this significant event?
> 
> Andrea\
> 


it means if u stay under it u'll get mugged .. cause u r in the dark.... hehehe 
just kidding...

 some people say its due to your aura.. that its strong enough to make the streetlamp think its daylight..

see they are either on a timer or sensor... when its light out they turn off when it gets dark they turn on...

on 4th of july thru an m-80 at one at night.. the bright flash will make it turn off for a while ...

  Steve C.