HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: watpod72@alfred.carleton.ca (George Bragg)
Subject: Re: Virtual Amigas?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:12:25 GMT

In <1992Nov6.195912.19157@crd.ge.com> (Spike) writes:

>I don't know if this answers your question, exactly, but I think you might
>find it interesting. 
>The only company I know of which currently has commercial VR is Virtuality.
>And all of their
>games run on Amigas. To which I can only say: Yaay!

Yeah, but they've been hacked all to hell.  They don't even use the
original graphics chips on the Amiga, but some special ones.  And,
BTW, there's a hell of a lot of other companies doing VR in various
aspects.  IE Sense8, VPL, VRG, etc.  It depends on what aspect of VR
you're talking about.  Virtuality is the only company which has a
complete, off-the-shelf system in one (very large) box.  For $60,000
or so, you can own one of these things.  But why?
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: Macintosh VR
From: phutter@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu (PATRICK HUTTER)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:56:25 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA

In article <74097@apple.Apple.COM> billc@Apple.COM (Bill Cockayne) writes:
>Subject: Macintosh VR
>From: billc@Apple.COM (Bill Cockayne)
>Date: 8 Nov 92 05:56:34 GMT

>If you want to do "real" VR AND have money left to eat with, do not
>throw out Macs or PCs.

>As for forgetting the Mac, you seem to forget that one of the Macintosh
>computers is presently the FASTEST pc on the market (yes it blows 586 machines
>away) (oh yeah, don't compare a pc running DOS to a Mac, DOS is outdated).

>bill cockayne
>billc@apple.com
>DISCLAIMER: Yes, I work for Apple Computer, but I do most of my VR stuff on
>an IRIS Crimson. I have done the above stuff on Macs, and know people using
>PCs.                     

WHAT? You seem to be rather ignorant of the computer world. First, there are 
no 586es out. The top-notch Intel-based computer is the 486DX2 @ 66 MHz. 
There probably won't even be a 586, since the name can not be copyrighted. 
Second, if you think a Macintosh is faster than a high-end Intle machine: 
think again. We are talking about totally different machines here, you must 
understand. I am a computer science major and am specifically pointing at 
Multimedia and VR. However, the Macintosh is one of the SLOWEST platforms 
for programming and for high-end math crunching. VR depends as much on FP 
arithmetic, compilation speeds, interrupt calls, etc... as well as graphics 
speed and quality. The Macintosh takes hours to create a complex zoom (1 
millionth time) on a Mandelbrot set, my 486DX-50 takes 32.5 seconds. Yes, I 
have tried this on a Mac Quadra, same Mandelbrot, same zoom and the Mac took 
875.5 times as long as the Intel-based machine. And, just for the cause: Who 
says PCs are limited to DOS? In comparison to the Apples, which are limited 
to the software Apple licenses, PCs have a market to choose from: SCO, 
SUNsoft, NeXT (soon), IBM OS/2, DOS, Windows, NT (soon), 32-bit DOS, etc...


							Greetings,

							Patrick
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
From: argent@iastate.edu (Christopher L Jorgensen)
Subject: Re: Macintosh VR
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:39:49 GMT

x
x
x
x
        So I'll try one more time.  I want to know what VR came be used
for up to date.  If it's so cool, why hasn't it taken over the video
game market, and replaced the 3d movie for novelty? How can I get started
in VR?  If it helps I have a Mac LCII.
 Please, if this is inappropriate to this group, I apologize.
        Sorry my editor sucks!
        Thanks.
-- 
argent@iastate.edu       | They called me the fool, they called me the child
The Great Grendle-Knan,  | I found an angel of the night;
Earth rim roamer.        | The voice was low, the look was bright;
                         | She looked upon my crown and smiled. -Tennyson-
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace,alt.culture.usenet,alt.religion.kibology,alt.religion.scientology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Info needed. URGENT!!
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:30:19 GMT

In article <92315.120307CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu> <CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Online, you can never be sure your pal is a BEM with three tenacles. On the
>other hand, you can never be really sure about your offline friends. Just ask
>my good buddy Phil Dick (don't mind the smell, he hasn't been feeling well
>since he died). Right, Kibo?

Don't look at me--I didn't kill him!

In 1986, however, I did slap L. Ron Hubbard on the back while he was sneezing.
He was so startled he dropped his body... AND COULDN'T GET UP!

							-- K.
From: helgeu@dhhalden.no (Helge Rene Uholm)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: Virtual Amigas?
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:03:01 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

Gandalf@cs.sun.ac.za (Gandalf) writes:

>I'm looking for a discussion on Virtual Reality for Amigas...
>is there something like this out there.... and who works with it?
>Please talk to me....
>--- Gandalf
>+------------------------ UNIVERSITY OF STELLENBOSCH ------------------------+
>|   Christiaan Keet  -  PO Box 6193  -  Welgemoed  -  7538  -  South-Africa  |
>|   E-MAIL (pref): Keet@cs.sun.ac.za      or      9118543@sunvax.sun.ac.za   |
>+------------------------ Only AMIGA makes it possible! ---------------------+

	Have you tried the newsgroup sci.virtual-worlds. They have a lot of 
discussion about VR for all machine platforms.

helgeu@dhhalden.no
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace,alt.culture.usenet
From: fng@fraser.sfu.ca (Fung Yee Selinia Ng)
Subject: Info needed. URGENT!!
Keywords: friendships
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:14:01 GMT

Hi, there.  I am not sure whether this is a right place to post it, 
but we are doing a group project on computer mediated communications
and we need some help from you.
Could you please LIST THREE (OR MORE) DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ONLINE
FRIENDSHIPS AND OFFLINE FRIENDSHIPS??

We are looking forward to hearing your responses.
Responses please send to fng@sfu.ca

Super thanks

t
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: virtual reality hackers?
From: phutter@cardinal.sc107.wesleyan.edu (PATRICK HUTTER)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:43:28 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA

In article <1992Nov2.032326.2929@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bchang@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Chang) writes:
>Subject: virtual reality hackers?
>From: bchang@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Chang)
>Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 03:23:26 GMT

>anybody here working on VR's?  i'm putting together one on an IBM platform
>with the PowerGlove.  My biggest problem right now is that my 3D display
>algorithms are horibly slow, even on a 386...
>  also i am interested in VR on the Mac.  If anyone knows about this,
>please tell me.

>  ben


Forget the Macintosh for VR. And, as far as PCs go, forget aything below a 
486DX @ 33 MHz. The real-time simulation you need for VR requires POWERFUL 
computers, not some wimpy underused 680X0 or a 80386-. As for the 
PowerGlove, how did you connect it? And what are you using as a headset? 
There are some modifications you might want to make to the powerglove to get 
more 3-D effects involved (diagrams are available at some FTP sites). 


							Greetings,

							Patrick

Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace,alt.culture.usenet
From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Info needed. URGENT!!
Keywords: friendships
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:44:58 GMT

In article <fng.721350841@sfu.ca> fng@fraser.sfu.ca (Fung Yee Selinia Ng) writes:
>Could you please LIST THREE (OR MORE) DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ONLINE
>FRIENDSHIPS AND OFFLINE FRIENDSHIPS??

 No sex online. Lots of sex offline.


Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
From: glinden@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: VR schools and Vr videogames
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:49:09 GMT

	VR IS in the process of taking over the video game market... Virtuality
has vidoe games which are pretty cool(even though really expensive)

	If I want to study VR and work with VR what schools should I look at?     

Glinden@hamp.hampshire.edu

Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Subject: Re: Names
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:13:29 GMT

In article <BxLJxt.HEG.2@cs.cmu.edu>, anonymus+3050@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (Judy) writes:

>I wished that I could have known what my parents would have named
>me had I been born GG.

My parents would have called me Lucy.  I knew this fairly early in life.
Kind of makes one wonder...

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Walter Lee    w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu

Don't blame me, I didn't vote!
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: heatherz@world.std.com (Heather E Zahn)
Subject: Re: Help! No more anon. posting!
Organization: xxx
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:00:09 GMT

cvadratv@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:
 
>> Is there any other way to remain anonymous? ...
>> Angela

>Well, the first thing that comes to my mind, is try to find a public access BBS
>that provides Usenet access and doesn't mind handles. 
>Diane

In particular, if you're on a full internet site, you could create an
account on world.std.com under whatever name you want. All you need is
a credit card (rates are about $5 month + $2/hour for usage). This is
what I did, and I know of at least one other alt.transgendered reader
at this site (Hi, Robin!).

If anyone cares, here's what you do:

* telnet into world.std.com
* enter "new" at the prompt.
* follow the registration instructions (which involve entering your
  name, address, and card #). You can enter any name you want as long
  as your credit card is good. Please don't try to somehow cheat these
  people. I'm sure their official policy is no false names, but as long
  as you *pay* I doubt that they care what your real name is.
* call the number they give you to activate your account. This is not
  a hard thing to do, even if your phone voice doesn't match the name
  you gave. I, the shyest person ever, managed to do it without much
  trama. (And it sure is fun to have a full female net.identity!)
  The number is open 24 hours, btw.
* telnet back to world, login and have fun!


I hope this provides a reasonable option for some of the soon-to-be-
out of luck anonymous posters.

hugs to all,

Heather

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|Heather E. Zahn        | "As truth is gathered, I rearrange,                  |
|heatherz@world.std.com |  inside out, outside in, perpetual change." --Yes :-)|
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin)
Subject: Re: 24-hour notice: anonymus@godiva going down
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Gender Anarchists United
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:17:54 GMT

otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (M. Otto, "Virtual Prisoner of the VAX") writes:

>Until a new anonymous posting service is found, I volunteer to
>forward any posts emailed to me to alt.transgendered, stipping off
>headers and other information in the process.  If you wish to take
>advantage of my offer, please keep a consistent nickname and
>signature block, as I don't plan to keep track of who uses what
>nickname.  I will not act as an anonymous email service, only an
>anoymous posting service.

>I hope a few others will step forward to keep the divided load light.

I have no problems with helping out with this.  It can't be any worse
than moderating a newsgroup. :)

Kelly
--
Oh, a vegetarian, eh?  Well, at my house, even the plants eat meat.
	-- David A. Honig (honig@thalia.ics.uci.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: ae907@yfn.ysu.edu (Roberta Steel)
Subject: Re: origins of our real names?
Reply-To: ae907@yfn.ysu.edu (Roberta Steel)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:48:10 GMT


In a previous article, anonymus+3274@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (Angela) says:

>	Just wondering how y'all picked your real names.  Is it a
>masculinization/feminization of your legal name?  Did you spend a lot of
>time thinking about it?  Did you already have a name before you CD'd the
>first time?  
>
>Angela
>-- 

When I joined a CD group one of the questions on the application form was 
Femme Name?  I didn't have one.  The last name came first: Steel.  I saw the
name on a paperback in the grocery store.  More significant, though, is the 
fact that I like working with metals; steel is one of my favorite materials.
Feminine stuff, really, it can be hard or soft, tough or brittle, hard to 
work with unless you know what you're doing.  So I had the last name.

The first name took more thought.  I wanted a real female name, but I didn't 
want it to be the name of anyone I knew.  I wanted to be my own female person
rather than an immitation of someone.  Eventually Roberta came into my head,
I don't know a Roberta, I liked it, and it sounded right.  So I had a first
name.

I think about middle names from time to time: Chrome Molly is an interesting 
double name.  Vanadium might be nice, shortened to Vana.  Stainless is nice,
too.  So far it's just Roberta Steel, though.

Roberta S.


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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: origins of our real names?
From: cvadratv@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:26:03 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadratv

 
> 	Just wondering how y'all picked your real names.  Is it a
> masculinization/feminization of your legal name?  Did you spend a lot of
> time thinking about it? 

As far as I can tell, my first name derived from a misunderstanding of
greek mythology. (I had for some reason assocaited the name diane with athena).
My middle name, Erin, was picked because-- it flowed well after diane, and
sounding close to eric it gives me an excuse if i answer to 'eric' when i 
shouldn't. 

Diane
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Cost of Gender Reassignment
From: cvadratv@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:14:45 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadratv

> never have to shave.  The process took almost 3 years and cost about
> $13,500.  I haven't had any lately, but I could use 3 or 4 sessions.
...
> and paid about $1500 over an 18 month period.
> 
... and even more costs...

ACK!!! You could probably buy a car, or a down payment on a house for that kind
of money. On my present student wages, income like that seems off in the far
distant unknown future...

Diane
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: anonymus+3050@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (Judy)
Subject: Faces (fwd)
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:00:38 GMT

Forwarded message:
> From anonymus@GODIVA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU Thu Nov 12 07:36:18 1992
> 
> You mentioned in a posting getting one's face taken
> care of.  I'm just now beginning exploring how to
> do this and wondering if there is a TS specialty
> within the cosmetic surgery profession.  I can
> do some checking around but I figured I'd just take
> a chance also and ask you if you knew of any source
> of national referals for this kind of specialization.
> 
> -Chastity
> 
> 

There used to be a national listing from the J2CP.  I don't know
if Mary Elizabeth is still providing it or not.  She has kind
of run out of funding.  There are surgeons who do cater 
specifically to TS patients and this is very comfortable for
a patient who is embarrassed.  I would recommend however that
you find the best surgeon possible to do the work.  If you 
have the money, you deserve the same care as anyone else.

I have gone to the best.  It is a little uncomfortable.  They
have done a great job.

Judy (|)



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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Help! No more anon. posting!
From: anonymus+3274@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (Angela)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:31:39 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service



I just got word that godiva will be shut down in 24 hours!  Is there any
other way we can post and mail anonymously to this group?  I don't want to
lose the contacts and support I've received here, but our system
automatically includes our name as well as account number in the from field.

Is there any other way to remain anonymous?

Also, thanks to Karl for keeping godiva open for as long as he has.  It
has been very much appreciated.


Angela


I can be e-mailed at rhm3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu.


Bye for now, but I hope not for long.
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin)
Subject: Re: Experiences
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Gender Anarchists United
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:25:57 GMT

anonymus+3050@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (Judy) writes:

>>In article <SCG.92Nov11102444@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin) writes:
>>1. Does anyone else feel this way?

[rest deleted]

Just pointing out I didn't write this... 

--
Oh, a vegetarian, eh?  Well, at my house, even the plants eat meat.
	-- David A. Honig (honig@thalia.ics.uci.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Tough questions.
From: anonymus+2941@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (Confused of Springfield)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:02:01 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service

There are some issues relating to my own feelings of gender dysphoria
that I've had a tough time talking about with other people, even in
electronic forums where no one really knows me. I guess it's the standard
thing of wanting to fit in... However, since anonymity is available in
this forum, I've thought "what the heck" and written this:

Sexual Urge.

I've never heard much discussion of how (other M->F) transsexual people
have coped with sexual frustration. It almost seems like it is the case
that "nice girls don't masturbate", or something. It's a painful issue
for me, because I wonder whether the fact that I indulge in masturbation
once in a while somehow invalidates my transsexual leanings. I sort of
feel that I ought to hate my male genitalia more than I actually do (my
attitude is more "Well, they're very nice as male sex organs I guess,
and they seem to work okay; it's just that I wasn't exactly after *male*
sex organs"). It seems like my getting sexual pleasure from them
contradicts the idea that I'd like to be rid of them.

"Worse" perhaps, I've also masturbated while crossdressed. Does this
mean that I'm not transsexual at all but that just a Fetishistic
Transvestite, who isn't comfortable with that label (since it seems more
"shameful" some how), and so wants to label themselves as Transsexual
instead. I don't think this is the case, but the idea that it might be
does sort of worry me.

Similarly, my amateurish attempts at gaffing feel nice (I say amateurish
because I can't be certain whether I do the thing right, since I've
never had a whole lot of advice on the subject - another taboo?). I
don't know whether that's a feeling that comes from feeling that I've
freed myself somewhat from my unwanted appendages, or whether it's just
that the way it places everything naturally provides mild pleasure, or
whether it's come kind of "dreadful gaffing fetish".

Any thoughts?

    Confused of Springfield.

P.S.
It is my understanding that the taking of hormones tones down all these
"nasty urges", but hormones are still some vague future issue for me - I
need to sort myself out some more before first. And yes, I am getting
counselling...
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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Help! No more anon. posting!
From: cvadratv@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:33:46 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadratv

 
> Is there any other way to remain anonymous? ...
  
> Angela

Well, the first thing that comes to my mind, is try to find a public access BBS
that provides Usenet access and doesn't mind handles. 

The anonymous FTP site GVL.UNISYS.COM in /pub/pubnix/ (?) has a list of some
systems.

Another idea-- come to school here at cal poly, pomona, our student accounts
are pretty anonymous... e.g. cvadratv, cvadraek, cvakgaan :)

Diane
From: anonymus+0@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kleinpaste, ACS administrator)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: 24-hour notice: anonymus@godiva going down
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:16:47 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service

You have mxsst1@vms.cis.pitt.edu, aka anonymus+1118, to thank for this.

It seems that "the red flag is raised."  Whereas local facilities
staff had previously been aware of, and (perhaps grudgingly) condoned
the existence of, anonymus@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu (I mean, crud, the
local Manager of Systems Programming had given his "seems innocuous
enough" about it)...

As of this morning, and due specifically to complaints about the
above-named user, facilities staff have gained an entirely new
awareness and perspective, being an utter distaste for the service's
existence.  Godiva has (rather abusively, in my opinion) been forced
into standards compliance with the rest of cs.cmu.edu, and I have been
ordered to dismantle the system.

You have 24 hours in which to contact correspondents and either
exchange real email addresses or else find other means by which to
remain in contact.

Apologies to the vast majority of legitimate, decent users of the
system, some 3068 people.  And may the few abusers of it, who managed
to be its downfall even being such a minority, just rot in hell.

I want to know something REALLY IMPORTANT...  Has pitt.edu got some
sort of hammerlock on the "Highest Population Density of Publicly
Abusive Email Users" award?  Between this jackass and our good friend
of the alt.personals photo fiasco, not to mention a couple of private
complaints I've had, you'd think nearly the entire population of the
world's email morons lived about 5 blocks from where I now sit.

Eight weeks, birth to death.

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Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Deep Sadness
From: anonymus+3415@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:28:30 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service


I am very distressed to learn of the demise of the anonymous posting
facility.  As we all can guess, there are many many more of us out
there quietly listening and taking heart than there are actually
sending messages.  But many, like myself, will eventually get involved
and learn and share.  Without the godiva service, this will not
happen.  Nor will the vast majority of us bewilling to be identified.
(We are, afeter all, the last group on earth it is still politically
correct to dump on.)

Is there anything we can do?  Someone or some office we can write to?
Poease let us know, and thanks for your efforts.


Hugs,

Shelley

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