HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: to5232@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: HD for IIgs?
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:26:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Oct12.192624.7556
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I am asking this for someone else.  He is wanting to know if it is possible to
install a hard drive in a IIgs.  If so, where can one get a hard drive kit for
the IIgs.

Please reply directly to me since I do not read this newsgroup regularly
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: ahill@boi.hp.com (Andy Hill)
Subject: Apple ][+ for sale
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:06:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: ahill@boi.hp.com
Organization: LaserJets by Bill & Dave
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Apple ][+, non-functional
1 Drive ][ + interface card
Grappler+ parallel interface
No monitor
Assorted manuals & (old) software
$50 + shipping obo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: *** Enough of the ModZap War! ***
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 19:48:32 GMT

That's it.  I, and I'm sure many others, have grown extremely tired
of this ModZap war.  Please cease the flames.  They have nothing to 
do with Apple IIs, and frankly, they must make the 10,000 or so people who
read this newsgroup think we're all a bunch of 13-yr olds.

If you insist on continuing, TAKE IT TO EMAIL.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: dsdd@okcforum (Roy Barrett)
Subject: Zip GS upgrading
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:16:33 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
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Now I know that this has been posted, but I am ordering a Zip 7/8, and 
I would like to know how I can upgrade to 14/64... Everyone has a TWGS, 
and I would like to know the correct procedure for upgrading the Zip...

Can I just pop in an '816-14 and more cache and be all set? what's the 
chip #'s for a 15ns 64k Cache, and where can I get it? It's a new Zip, does
that mean that I use wide or narrow sockets? What's the deal here? Zip Tech  
says that Zip-14's bought from them run at a full 14.5 MHz... does anyone
here own a Zip-bought 14Mhz? ($749 is a little steep). Can I get my Zip to run  at 14 MHz? I have an AE Power supply, so if it works for Tim Meekins, will it
work for me? I know that he has a TWGS, but does a 7 Amp Power Supply help?

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From: jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: >>VGA
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:57:46 GMT
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

mh001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matthew W. Hacker) writes:

>[more stuff about VGA]
>[P.S. how do you get nn to include an article with another post?]

Try typing 'f' when you're reading an article.

>   What I was thinking was that it wasn't really necessary
>to be able to use the Desktop in a higher res mode.  A board
>could be designed to emulate standard apple video and then
>switch to a higher mode using *different* drivers.  Only
>newer programs could use this sort of setup, but it would
>sure make for great GIF viewers.

Well, ok.  In this case, it would be _relatively_ easy to make a new
graphics board for the Apple II (GS, IIe, IIc, II+).  In fact, you
don't even have to emulate the old Apple II video.  Just a
pass-through would be required (or cheaper yet, make the user pull out
a cable and plug it into the other socket.  Bleah!)

>   On a related note:  How hard would it be to program
>a program to check and see if 'extended' video was availible
>and then use it if it was?  Would this be really difficult
>and/or increase the size a lot?

Depends.  If you want to make your own desktop "GUI" software and you
don't want to patch the toolbox, your program will be *much* bigger.
Other stuff?  Well, I guess the easy answer is:  it depends.

>   On another note:  Can somebody send me some technical info
>on the IIGS's monitor?  Stuff like max colors, horizontal speeds,
>etc?  I don't have access to any of that sort of info here.

The GS's monitor complies with the RS-170 video standard which means
it takes 159?? (or is it 157??) Hz horizontal sync and 59.995 Hz
vertical sync.  Basically it takes an NTSC timing-compatible signal.
Since it uses analog RGB, it can display the full gamut of colors that
the phosphors inside the picture tube can display.  This info should
be in your owner's guide, but like you said you don't have it.
-- 
Jerry Penner   jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca   Try a 1-line .sig today.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner)
Subject: Orca bashing (was Re: Amrit, C/C++)
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:17:19 GMT

behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:

[...]
>If Byteworks comes out with ORCA/C++, you'd probably buy that ... but beware:
>The ORCA/C compiler, e.g., is not ANSI (even if it claims so), and it has bugs
>in the code generator and the libraries. IMHO, a C++ compiler is harder to do
>than a C compiler. Go figure ....

>P.S.: Recursive descent for a C compiler ... *snicker* (Ahem. I did not say a
>word. *Serious face*)

Who the heck cares what parsing method you use?!  I'd like to see you
write a LALR(1) parser by hand; it would take you forever.  I really
doubt if the major slowdowns in Orca/C are due to the method of
parsing.  Mike doesn't have the compiler construction tools available
on the Apple that Unix people have.  I would think the major slowdowns
in the compiler would be using a slow symbol table system and a slow
lexical analyzer.

Anyhow, whatever you may think of Orca, I don't think it's fair to
blast Mike (however snide and subtle you want to be) on a public forum
which he doesn't even attend.  He's done a lot more for the Apple II
than most of us.  He has also publicly said that it is possible to
write tools like really fast assemblers and compilers but that the
Apple II market can't support such things (ie. it's not worth it to
those writing such tools as a full-time job).  If you find bugs in
Orca, report them.  Mike has fixed all the ones I reported.  And feel
free to write your own C compiler for the IIgs and then we'll listen
to everything you have to say about compilers.
-- 
Jerry Penner   jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca   Try a 1-line .sig today.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: gudat@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (gudat henrik)
Subject: getting close to done...
Organization: Informatik Club d. Universitaet, Zuerich
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:23:09 GMT

Sorry, had absolutely no time today to draw a nice picture, but there're
only


                       1 8

                  days to go...


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: dsdd@okcforum (Roy Barrett)
Subject: Re: Was this a joke?
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:44:52 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Scott Alfter (sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct15.232442.50824@slate.mines.colorado.edu> gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu (DESROCHERS GARY FREDERIC) writes:
: 
: >A while back someone posted a letter that contained this:
: >
: >!
: >! 3. PC Transporter Turbo 14Mhz + 8087-2
: >! 
: >!  Applied Engineering PC Transporter (originally $800) with a 14 MHz
: >!  8086/8 with the fastest 8087-2 (originally $200) with GS Installation
: >!  kit    (originally $100) and MS-DOS v5.0 (originally $100) and Windows 3.1
: >!  (originally $100) and America Online (originally $25) for the crazy low
: >!  price of $250 (originally $1400)
: >
: >Was this another joke like a couple of other posts I have seen lately?
: 
: Let's see...just plugging in a faster CPU isn't going to make it any
: faster.  Hell, the board comes with a V30...replacing that with an
: 8086 will only slow things down.  DOS 5...big deal.  Besides, you
: can't buy that direct anyway.
: 
: Windoze on a PC Transporter?  If I'm not mistaken, Windoze 3.1
: requires a 286 and EGA...the PC Transporter only does CGA and uses the
: aforementioned 8086-compatible V30.  If you think Windoze is slow on
: the 386/486 screamers coming down the line today, can you imagine what
: it'd be like on a PC Transporter?  I'd sooner buy a Mac than install
: Windoze on my clone (a 286-12).
: 
: AOL...again, big deal.  I got the Apple II signup disk from my user
: group for free a couple of years ago (and have never used it :-) ).
: 
: This "deal" sounds as questionable as the one I spied recently in
: misc.forsale.computers, where someone would "give" you his tape drive
: (a 60- or 120-meg model, can't remember which) for "free"...if you
: bought 12 tapes from him for $20 each.  I almost bounced a flame back
: at the jerk for wasting my time...for $240, you could buy yourself a
: new drive and some tapes to go with it.
: 
:   _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
:  / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!
: (IIe (  (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis Apple II/IBM/Star Trek/Aerospace
:  \_^_/  Ask me about SoftDAC--digital audio for your IIe/IIc! Apple II Forever!


I posted that ad, It was only 12 MHz, I was mistaken... All PC Transporters comewith 12 MHz speed, Also, I use Windows 3.1... it's slow, and it sucks, but it   DOES run, even though it's only in monochrome... (or b&w graphics..) That ad wastrue though, and it ran at 12 MHz, but with the 10 MHz 8087-2, it gave it an    effective speed of 14 MHz...
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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: InfoSnarf and Zork I re-release???
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:28:06 GMT
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany

phelps@ginkgo.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Phelps) writes:

>Does your Zork I have on-screen hints?  If so, that's the reason:
>InfocomPro only supports standard series (version 3) games.

How could I check? (On-screen hints? What's that?).

Soenke
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From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: memory card for //e style IIgs needed
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:03:40 GMT

If you can find one, you could use an old AE GS-RAM Plus.  Those have the
sloped front end which should fit inside a retrofit //e case.

- Eric S.

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From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re:  BostonFest News?
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 13:31:34 EDT
Organization: L/A Blues BBS - Auburn ME (207) 777-3465 & 7782

marc@cxr_rs6000.med.ge.com (Marc Wolfgram) writes:

> Yes, Joe... Dan Muse is out... Don't quote me, but I believe Cynthia Field
> is in, which is good for the II community.

I tried to use wafmail today and it crapped out.  It sent nothing and 
reset my pointers.  there was no problem with the news groups as I could 
just read them.  However, it wiped out my mail before I could read it.
Can we get these back?

  1    7 Oct 92 - ( Jawaid Bazyar <bates )  Re: Problem uncompressing
  2    7 Oct 92 - ( bates!uunet.uu.net!M )  Returned mail: Host unknown
  3    7 Oct 92 - ( <bates!dartvax!rutge )  Switch-it (more test results)
  4    8 Oct 92 - ( Soenke Behrens <bate )  Frame works, and I'm happy :)
  5    8 Oct 92 - ( Soenke Behrens <bate )  Proposal: Launch command
  6    7 Oct 92 - ( bates!engr.usask.ca! )  Re: DISKS, IWII, POLAROID & 
VAX FO
  7    7 Oct 92 - ( Jawaid Bazyar <bates )  Re: Switch-it (more test 
results)
  8    7 Oct 92 - ( Brian Tao <bates!dar )  SwitchIt d60 problems...
  9    7 Oct 92 - ( Jawaid Bazyar <bates )  Re: SwitchIt d60 problems...
 10    8 Oct 92 - ( Soenke Behrens <bate )  This stack allocation thingie 
...

I have no way of getting them.  When I go to mail, it says I have none 
now!!           Thanks  Larry
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Hyper C Source Code
From: fozztexx@groucho.sonoma.edu (Chris Osborn)
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:12:50 CST
Organization: Sonoma State University

Does anyone have the source code disks to Hyper C? Either the CDOS or
ProDOS versions? Both versions would be great!

I've tried mailing Eric Mcgillicuddy at two addresses
(ericmcg@pnet91.cts.com, ericmcg@pro-generic.cts.com) but neither
address seems to work anymore. From some old messages that were
with the Hyper C documentation, it appeared he had the source code disks.

If you have any of the source code to the
shell/compiler/linker/library, *please* mail me.

Thanks.

-- 
Chris Osborn
Napa Valley College
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From: deviant@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: GS/OS calls - gs16forth.text usage
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:14:48 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana


I need to make GS/OS calls using GS16FORTH II and though Warren Stones 
Documentation is good, I still need information on GS/OS.

Where do I find this information other than from Super Info III?
Are there technotes?  Where could I find them or could someone post/send 
them?

If anyone wants to help I'll be sure to send you my programs (if you want it).

Besides, is there anyone else out there who uses GS16Forth II in the text 
mode or desktop based for that matter (I must admit that from all of the 
nice things that can be done with the GUI (desktop) there are just some 
things that look and run better in the text mode).

-- 

ala the Deviant@Yang.Earlham.Edu
   "You think you are ever so clever, however, you won't trap me there.
     Its turtles all the way down."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: ddkilzer@iastate.edu (David D Kilzer)
Subject: Re: French & Spanish Word Processors...
Followup-To: roger@itl.itd.umich.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:46:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.014538.13626@terminator.cc.umich.edu> roger@itl.itd.umich.edu (Roger Espinosa) writes:

>Hi.
>
>I'm sort of surprised that there isn't (according to Claris) a 
>French version of AppleWorks. Given that, are there any French (or Spanish)
>word processors out there for Apple IIs? 
>
>Any leads would be greatly appreciated! Please email, though, as I don't
>regularly lurk here...

[I also sent this message to Mr. Espinosa.]

Actually, there was a program called EuroWorks that modified AppleWorks
3.0 to work (mostly print) in 4 or 5 different languages, including
French, Spanish, Dutch, German, etc.  Look in an older issue of
inCider/A+ for more information (I don't know if it's even still
available anymore).

I also remember reading something about Jem Software coming out with a
program that translated AppleWorks 3.0 entirely into French (menus,
commands, EVERYTHING).  I don't know if it's available, but you might
try writing Jem at the following address:

JEM Software
7578 Lamar Ct.
Arvada, CO  80003

Finally, I also remember reading (a LONG time ago) about 1.x versions of
AppleWorks that WERE written in French, German, and perhaps some other
languages as well.  I doubt you would want these, but then again, if you
can find a copy, they'd probably work okay.

Hope this helps!

Dave
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:16:41 EDT
From: <SAB121@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: TCP/IP wanted for Apple IIgs
 <1992Oct10.061935.7854@netcom.com> <1992Oct10.071703.855@leland.Stanford.EDU>

Wait for GNO 2.0!

...Sal
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.apple2:22132 ba.market.computers:5013
From: jjs40@cd.amdahl.com (John Sullivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,ba.market.computers
Subject: For Sale: Apple IIgs, RGB monitor
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:22:54 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I have the following items:

	Apple IIgs, ROM01 - case/power supply and motherboard only.
	Apple RGB Color Monitor - for use with the IIgs or an RGB card.

I also have some memory expansion cards for the IIgs.

Any reasonable offer will be accepted.  I'll give preference to anyone
who can pick stuff up in person.

-- 
John Sullivan, Engineer/Computer Development.   Email: jjs40@cd.amdahl.com.
Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA.               Phone: (408)746-4688.
From: EDIAS@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (EMILIANO A DIAS)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: MODZap fiasco?
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:14:54 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <blaby.718446029@sfu.ca> blaby@fraser.sfu.ca writes:

> irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy) writes:
> 
> >In order to avoid mentioning names, let me just say that there is a small but
> >incredibly vocal minority of GS users who seem to object to free software in
> >general and MODZap in particular.  Unfortunately, all of 1 person told me they
> >liked the program (big kudos to Steve Bilgrien if you read this feed) as 
> >opposed to the 15 or 20 mails I got condemming it as a "piece of shit" and
> >"the worst thing I've ever had the displeasure to use on my GS".  Therefore,
> >the nays have it and I'm no longer developing MODZap, and have scaled back
> >work on other IIgs stuff in favor of my 486.  (note that I personally am 
> >running MODZap 0.85 which is pretty cool, but nobody else will ever see it 
> >after the fiasco).
> 
> Personally, I am very impressed with MODZap and Sonic Tracker. I
> really enjoyed the competition between the two programs which just got
> better and better.
> 
> I hope you ignore the blathering of a few ignorant loudmouths. The
> 'silent majority' are behind you and I am very sure, appreciate the
> effort you have put in developing a very enjoyable GS application. I
> know that I certainly do!

I couldn't agree more.  ModZap and SoniqTracker were/are great because
they were "dynamic" programs.  Rarely does one get such frequent upgrades
to two great programs.  Also the version numbers were misleading if not
modest;  I mean two consecutive versions of ModZap would be totally 
different and yet only have a .01 difference in the version numbers.

ModZap is a great program, is there anything that we (comp.sys.apple2)
readers could do to change your mind?

     in mourning for ModZap...   	Tony Dias
From: arb@sunsrvr3.cci.com (Anthony Bean)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: RE: GSHK 1.1
Date: 14 Oct 92 12:35:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: sunsrvr3.9210141235.AA13473


	I used sciibin on my unix system to decode gshk1.1. I was left with 
a binary file called GSHK11.SEA. I did a binary transfer to my GS using
zmodem, changed the filetype to GS application, double clicked on the
icon and it executed perfectly. No problems at all. 



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker)
Subject: RE: RE: APPLE 2 EMULATOR ADDRESS
Organization: Me, at The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:02:11 GMT


Earlier this week, over breakfast, I saw a guy ask about an emulator,
and an immediate reply that there ain't no such animal.  I quickly
wrote my posting off the top of my head (not my style), so as not
to lose the guy's interest ... and got the machine wrong.

Ok.

The machine is "punisher.caltech.edu", directory /pub/nyet/apple2em.
Not "avalanche.caltech.edu".

I plead answering the guy's request *quickly*, especially since
some other guy was telling him that an emulator was impossible.
I wanted to get to him before he lost interest, although I had
planned a properly researched message on the topic.; doing it
off the top of my head is not really my style.  Sorry.

BTW, I have written a program to poke an MSDOS text file into
a DOS 3.3 disk image.  Not too hard, but it allows importing
documents, EXEC files, etc.


tombaker
From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: ProDOS * quit
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 03:38:43 EDT
Organization: L/A Blues BBS - Auburn ME (207) 777-3465 & 7782

Steve, try:

          jsr       mli
          dfb       $65
          da        parms
          bcs       error
          rts



parms     dfb       4
          dfb       0
          da        $0000
          dfb       0
          da        $0000

from Little's book:  Exploring Apple GS/OS and ProDOS 8

Hope it helps.                          Larry

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From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Accelerators (was: Re: Resurrection!!!!!)
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:40:25 GMT

I second that.  A lot of people don't _need_ accelerators.  A IIGS running
at its standard 2.6 MHz is plenty fast for most users.  People doing
really intense work would want more, of course, but that's normal
regardless of how fast the stock machine is, and regardless of the
platform.

A hard drive, on the other hand, is getting to be very close to a
must-have.

Fast computers, fast cars, fast food,...

- Eric S.

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From: lakerb@rcwusr.bp.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Math Software Sought for Apple II:  Basic Algebra, Equation Plotting
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:18:16 -0500
Organization: BP Research, Cleveland, OH (USA)

My son's school is looking for software for the Apple II for assistance in
basic algebra.  Something for plotting equations would be fine.

Rob Lake
BP Research
lake@rcwcl1.dnet.com