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From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: A perspective on the finality of Islam
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:13:13 GMT

It turns out my article had many typos.  Besides that, there are
two corrections that are very important:

>accepts their explaining away of the "Seal of the Prophets" verse, one is
>forced to admit that the Qur'an does say that a new Prophet will arrive.

Should read: "One is forced to admit that the Qur'an does NOT say
that a new Prophet will arrive."


>>Prophet Muhammad is recorded to have said in a Hadith:
>>a
>>"If my people [i.e. Muslims] were truthful they remain for ONE DAY. If they 
>> degrade, HALF A DAY will they last."
>>					Bihar'ul Anvar, Vol 13
>
>1) This hadith, if authentic, is obviously about how long Muslims will last.
>As Muslims have lasted longer than 1260 years, the prediction has turned
>out to be false.  (This is *assuming* that 1 day means 1000 years).
>
>Number 2 is very important:
>
>2) The hadith itself gives no time reference.  Therefore, the time referrence
>is when the statement itself is made, i.e. from the time of the Prophet 
>Mohammad himself.   Your arguments about the time reference beginning with 
>the death of Imam Askari really comes out of nowhere.  It has nothing to do 
>with this hadith.
>
>3) The hadith, if authentic, seems to simply mean that if Muslims are
>good, they will last a short time, and if they are bad, an even shorter
>time.  "One day" is probably a metaphorical way of saying "a short time."

This last sentence must read: "The hadith, if authentic, seems to simply
mean that if THE PROPHET'S COMMUNITY is good, it will last a short time,
and if it is bad, an even shorter time..."    

Note:  "The Prophet's Cummunity" may refer either to Arabs or Muslims.
(Doesn't matter that much for this discussion, but I should've recognized
the distinction).

Behnam Sadeghi


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ahmad@frisco.unet.com (Ahmad Esmaeili)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: read Ahmad Esmaelili
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:00:42 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City

In article <1992Jul19.050402.23294@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umgopal@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sidique Hussein) writes:
>
>Dear Crazy person responsible for the above message,

I'm like rubber, your like glue
      whatever you say, bounces off me and sticks to you

BTW, next time you cuss, I'll be even harsher! :-)

>
>What the hell are you doing ? I have not taken an active part in your fantasy
>message as noted above. At no time have I discussed temporary marriage or any
>of the other disgusting stuff you mention in the above message. You have
>eaten one too many 'Pasheh', might I suggest you see a qualified 'divaneh
>Shenas'.
>
>Ps. When ever you refer to brother Arun you refer to me! I used that UNIX
>account to post that request for marriage that your trying to flog aimlessly.
>

O' loosen up Sidique. Everybody who read my postings knows that both
brother Ahmad AghA and brother Arun were fictional characters. If that
is not enough, here is my disclaim: I DO NOT HAVE A BROTHER CALLED ARUN.
Happy now?. 

As far as your request for marriage is concerned, I find it very tacky 
because it makes SCI like one of those dating agencies that fix up people,
but it is only my opinion and you may continue to do so.

BTW, don't tell me you have received tons of emails on your request because
I didn't receive any. But again you might be better looking. :-)
 
>In all your a very stupid and dirty person!

First Salmon Rushdie, now Ahmad AghA. What is it with you people?
Someone criticizes your religion, first you try to assassinate him,  if you
can not reach him,  you will start your character assassination. Go ahead, cuss me out,
but remember; I'm like rubber your like glue ....

What I did was not dirty because I did not distort the truth, that is the
truth about Islam. Once again, from MY point of view, Islam is unjust and
sexist because it gives mens exclusive rights against women (polygamy 
& physical abuse).
>
>Sidique.

Ahmad Agha
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Olympics, Iranian wrestling results
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:21:37 GMT


Hi,

Here's how our Greco-Roman Wrestling team fared on the first day of
competition:

52 Kg.  Majid Jahandideh        lost to Korea 11-2 in the first round
                                lost to Finland 6-0 in the second round
                                He is out of the competition


68 Kg.  Abdollah Chamangoli     beat Algeria 6-0 in the first round
                                beat Estonia 7-5 in the second round
                                He goes on to the third round


I will be posting updates on Iranian atheletes as I receive them. For
a complete coverage on wrestling, and all other sports you can check
out rec.sport.olympics or the clari.sports.* newsgroups if you get
them.

    --mack

--
For as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive.
I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive, I will survive.          --Gloria Gaynor
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Names , Favorites ...
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:03:54 GMT
Organization: UB

What are your favorite names , Just persian names ?? I mean I think Ali is 
a nice name but I am looking for persian ones .

Here are mine :

Boys :                                   Girls :

Ali ( Just kidding )                     Shirin
FarhAd					 Sahar
FardAd					 Firoozeh
MehrzAd					 TarAneh
BehzAd					 Naghmeh
Behrooz					 Shabnam
Roozbeh 				 Roya 
Kaveh					 Shadi
Keivan					 ArAm
Arvin					 AfssAneh
Arvand					 Sakineh ( Just Kidding )

Add your favorite ....

Also list the names that are for both Boys and Girls .


Ramin


Ps :  I almost forgot to add "Ramin".
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: SOCCER TOURNAMENT IN SAN DIEGO
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 06:28:35 GMT
Organization: varzeshi
Keywords: Jameh Doosti in San Diego

In article <1992Jul30.183637.11805@telesoft.com> mnejat@telesoft.com (Mehregan Nejat @lone) writes:
>In <+mpml=f.bavafa@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>[...STUFF DELETED ...]
>
>>Mehregan can you be kind and brief us 'the football thirsty' based on your
>>observation what has been the level of the games and players in the past 
>>years?  Particularly, average age, pro (equivalent to playing in a division
>>league), and admission fees if any?
>
>>I am just trying to rate our handicapped team against those guys!
>
>
>>PS.  I replied to SCI 'cause I know there are a lot of football players out
>>there :-)
>
>From what I have seen in the past 4 years, there are 4 to 8 really good
>teams from all over U.S. The rest are either decent or poor. But don't
>let the level competetion stop you from participating. These games are
>alot of fun to participate in and watch. Last year they tried to have
>a senior division also, which did not work out and they ended up playing
>in the same devision. The average age is somewhere from 27-30.
>
>You see some EX-professional players as well as some pro players.
>As far as the fee, it started at $350.00 in the first year and
>it jump to $750.00 last year. I think the fee is around $400.00
>this year.  Just for the record, San Diego has won 2 out of 4
>championship.  Los Angeles has couple of top quality teams.
>
>Last year a team from England almost participated in this 
>tournament.  
>
>
>--Mehregan Nejat

Thanks Mehregan.  Now only if I could come up with 15 players to want to
participate, oh sigh!

Regards,
Hooshyar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mxahmad@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Mehdi Ahmadi)
Subject: Darvak Theater in Berkeley
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:06:14 GMT



	2 plays in one night,

	A man, his mother and his 4 wives
	Written and directed by Sepideh Kosha

	Role of women ( Naghshe Zan)
	Written by Farhad Aeesh, directed by Sepideh Kosh


	Friday 24, saturday 25, sunday 26, 1992 at 8:00PM
	2076 Ashby ave in berkeley
	tel: 510 654-1820
	Admission $ 6:00
From: cheever@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: <None>
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:04:31 EST
Summary: [2~
Organization: Western Michigan University
From: mxahmad@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Mehdi Ahmadi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: A night with Sohrab Sepehri
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:56:51 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell



		**********  A night with Sohrab Sepehri ********


				M O S F E R
			       --------------


	 		A night of poetry and music

		
	Koorosh Angali, Rohaam Shaykhani and Music by Aldoush


	

	Date:  Sunday July 26, 1992 at 8:00 PM
	Place: 1030 Winchester Blvd #100, Between Williams and Payne
	Tel:   408 554-6530
	Admission: $ 8:00

	Sponsored by: Markaze Farhangi Kavosh

 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: Yet another victory for the Iranian Resistance
Keywords: Human Rights
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:05:43 GMT

ramin@crchh467.BNR.CA (Ramin Moshiri-Tafreshi) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>Therefore,  I am sure that once Mojahedin take control of Iran,  they are not
>going to tolerate other's opinions because "They are the ones who have
>given their
>bloods".  As an evidence please refer to your statement which calls my
>opinion as
>irrational,  and this is even before Mojahedin taking control.  This is
>what makes
>me worried (THE INTOLERANCE OF OTHERs' OPINIONS).

The reason I described your statement as being
irrational was because not much thought was put
in it, but not because I couldn't tolerate
your opinion. See Ramin,

	* Iraq was virtually destroyed in the war last year,
	  95% of its military force was crippled;

	* It has been under embargo last two years, it cannot
	  export or import any goods

	* It is under a tight UN/US observation

	* Iran is about 2-3 times bigger than Iraq

Claiming that with the help of Iraq, the NLA wants to take
over Iran is irrational, isn't it? Is there any evidence,
besides the garbage in the Khomeini regime press, that Iraq
helped the NLA in any of its previous operations?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu (Anwar M. Saleh)
Subject: Re: Persian Music
Reply-To: saleham@cauchy.mcs.clarkson.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:41:33 GMT

cheever@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>
> This is a request for information on a Persian composer and pianiast by the
> name of Marufie I would like to know if he is still living and where I could
> get copies of his piano music that have not been simplified, but are in the
> original versions as he played them.

  I bought few tapes from an Iranian store in NJ. On the label there is

  Taraneh Enterprises Inc.
  6914 Conby Ave. Suite 106
  Reseda, CA 91335
  Tel: (818) 708-1166

  I never bought from them. I never called them. They might have an answer
  to your questions. 

  Anwar Saleh
From: ahmad@frisco.unet.com (Ahmad Esmaeili)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: US presidential election and Iranian interests
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:05:44 GMT
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies, Redwood City

In article <BrL7CJ.CvL@acsu.buffalo.edu> sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
>It's a deal ... I don't accept credit cards or personal check ... just
>cash or money order ...   
>Ahmad AghA says Clinton = I say Bush 


You are on, buddy. Remember, you'll be paying me and I only
accept Tomans, 2800 tomans that is.

I come to think of it, you do have a chance to win the bet
if Clinton withdraws from the race. :-)

-Ahmad AghA
From: keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
Subject: Re: Those good-old sayings/proverbs/expressions
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:54:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.215433.2729@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh) writes:
>
>>Dorood bar hamsafarAn-e mehrabAn:
>>
>>Please fasten your seat belts :-)
>>
>>(1) `eesA beh deen-e kheesh moosA beh deen-e kheesh
>>(2) to neekee meekon-o dar dajleh andAz keh eezad dar beeyAbAnash dahad bAz
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^
																		  beeyAbAnat
>>(3) donyA yek roozeh bagheeyeh-ash rooz be rooz-e :-)
>>(3) donyA panjAh sAleh avvalesh moshkeleh
>>(4) az khejAlat Ab shod!
>>(4) mesl-e laboo sorkh sohd!
>>(5) mo'ammA cho hal gasht AsAn shavad
>>(6) az xyz porseedand adab az keh Amookhtee? goft az bee adabAn
         ^^^
			LoghmAn
>>(7) een daghal doostAn keh meebeenee magasAnand gerd-e sheereenee
>>(8) az roobAh porseedand shAhedat keest? goft domam
>>(9) nokhod-e har Ash shodan
>>(0) kas nakhArad posht-e man joz nAkhon-e angosht-e man
>>
>>PS: all corrections, and in particular _additions_, are much appreciated.
>                                         ^^^^^^^^^
>
>Here are some that I can think of off the top of my head:
>
> (1) dishab too Ab-namak khAbideh
> (2) pesar e nooh bA badAn beneshast -- Abjo khord o pesteh beshkast  :-)
> (3) een beesheh gamAn mabar keh khAleest -- shAyad keh palang khofteh bAshad
> (4) tA mard sokhan nagofteh bAshad -- eyb o honarash nahofteh bAshad
> (5) mAr gazeedeh az rismoon e siAh sefid meetarseh
> (6) bAdenjoon dor e ghAb cheen
> (7) hendooneh zeer e baghal gozAshtan
> (8) fekr e nAn bokon, keh kharbozeh Ab ast
> (9) taraf o too deh rAh nemeedadand, sorAghe kadkhoda ro meegereft
>(10) yeh soozan be khodet bezan, yeh javAldooz be mardom
>(11) gorbeh dastesh be goosht nemeereseh, meegeh boo mideh
>(12) balad neest beraghseh, meegeh zamin kajeh
>(13) mageh eenjA khooneh ye khAlat e
>(14) Ash e kashk e khAlat e, bokhori pAteh, nakhori pAteh
>(15) shareek e dozd o rafighe ghAfeleh
>(16) dozd keh az dozd bezaneh, shAh dozdeh
>(17) dom e khoroos ro ghabool konam, yA ghasam e hazrat e abbAs ro
>(18) khoshgelee yA khoob tAr mizani
>(19) ghiyAfash seh toman meekhAd tA bist o panj zAr
>(20) dAreh nakh meedeh  :-)
>
>Any more?
>
>>bA sepAs-e farAvan, --df
>
>Same here.
>
>    --mack
Here's my humble and small contribution:

1) kaseeke kharbozeh meekhoreh, pAyeh larzesh ham meesheeneh
2) Fozool rA bordand jahannam, goft hizomesh tareh 
3) por roo shodan-az roo naraftan-root zeeAd shodeh
4) Roo ke nist, sange pAye Ghazveeneh
5) felfel nabeen che reezeh, beshkan bebeen che teezeh
6) seelee-ye naghd beh az halvAye nessi-ye
7) Taraf mA ro grefteh
8) man Anam ke Rostam bovad pahlevAn ; honar nazde irAniAn ast-o-bass ;-)
9) KhAli bastan
 
Regards,
K1
From: phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Mandella's Visit to Iran
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:16:40 GMT
Reply-To: phd21@seq1.kl.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
Organization: University of Keele, England


 From: amir@zeus.franklin.edu (Amir Taghavi)

TEHERAN (JULY 21) DPA - The leader of the African National 
Congress (ANC) of South Africa, Nelson Mandela, arrived Tuesday 
in the Iranian capital Teheran on a two-day visit, the Iranian 
news agency IRNA reported. Mandela would discuss political 
developments in South Africa and thank the Iranians for their 
support of the struggle against apartheid, the agency said. 
   The ANC leader will be awarded an honourary doctorate in 
law at Teheran University on Wednesday. 

	Another Catastrophe in the making for the Muslims of 
	South Africa.

A Jaber
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: harrsen@kaa.eng.ohio-state.edu (John Harrsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: More Support and Recognition for the Legitimate Resistance
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:00:06 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Jul21.013325.8770@u.washington.edu> payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi) writes:
>>In article: <saied.711470965@odin>saied@odin.unomaha.edu writes:
>>		       HOUSE OF COMMONS
>>			London SWIA OAA
>>
>>	230 Members of British Parliament Urge Support for
>>	   Iranian Resistance led by Mr. Massoud Rajavi
>>
>
>In connection with this, and with the expression of support for
>the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran by members of the
>US Congress and the Italian Parliament, the following developments
>are also of interest:
>
>1. In a statement issued by the British government, the expression
>   of support by certain members of the British Parliament for 
>   The People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran has been deemed the
>   personal point of view of those officials, having no connection
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   with the formal policy of Britain towards Iran.  
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"personal point of view"!? You may be right. But aren't
these "points of views" what shape the policy of a
democratic government? 
> 
>2. The Italian government also stated that such expressions of
>   support have no connection with the policy of the Italian
>   government towards Iran.  Certain Italian MP's also stated
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   that they signed the petition without much attention to its
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   contents.
    ^^^^^^^^
You must be kidding! Quite the contrary, I assure you that
everyone who signed this document was totally aware of its
implication. These are professional politician. They will
not endorse anything unless they examine it thoroughly.
However, it is totally understandable why the elements of
the regime and the supporters of Shah would burn and try to
ease the pain by resorting to such statements.

>Payman

Asghar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Olympics
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 22:01:12 GMT

kamrani@ifi.uio.no (Kamran) writes:

>And here is the olympic's joke , a scene that has been shown on european 
>sport channel over and over again. An iranian boxer entering the ring 
>but without his gloves (he had forgotten them) resulting in his immidiate
>disqualification.

He apparently missed the bus from village to the arena (I don't know
why), and arrived late. He rushed to the ring as soon as he arrived,
but it was already too late.

    --mack

--
For as long as I know how to love, I know I'll stay alive.
I've got all my life to live, I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive, I will survive.          --Gloria Gaynor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: eshghi@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Kave Eshghi)
Subject: Re: More questions for Anwar Saleh
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:59:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

In article <2236@unet.UUCP> ahmad@frisco.net.com (Ahmad Esmaeili) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.174419.5170@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> eshghi@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Kave Eshghi) writes:
>>doing is providing grist for the mill of all the 'trendy' racists who
>>think Muslims are a bunch of fanatical half wits, to be forever kept
>>in check by force. Let me remind you that making fun of people's
>>beliefs is the first step to treating them as subhumans who can not be
>>trusted with control of their own lives.
>>
>
>"Treating people as subhumans who can not be trusted with control of
>their own lives" phrase reminds me of the book "VelAyateh Fagheeh"
>written by AyatollAh Khomaini. He referes to Islamic Ommat as "sagheer".
>FYI, a sagheer does not have much control over his destiny, rather it
>is his "Kabeer" who controls his life.
>
>Mash Bagher, please go ahead and read Khomaini's VelAyate Fagheeh and
>I am sure you will realize, as I did, that who actually treats Muslims
>as subhumans.
>
>In Iran, the religion is the state. In this case the state rules will
>translate into religious beliefs. I reserve my right to criticize the
>state in whatever manner I wish. 

Go ahead and criticize the state as much as you wish, you have my whole-heared
support. Criticize the religious nature of state in Iran, and
advocate the separation of religion and state as the most important task
confronting Iranians today. I will enthusiastically march behind your banner.
But insulting people's beliefs will only fan the flames of religious
hatered, with consequences that are all to easy to see around the world
today. 

In your series of exchanges with Anwar, you were basically getting back
at the current regime in Iran by insulting (not criticizing, but insulting)
Islam and Muslims. Remember: the Muslim men and women whom you so happily 
trashed are our brothers, sisters, mothers, cousins and friends.

Mash Bagher
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no (Kambiz Iranpovr Mobarekeh)
Subject: Re: Bahais please give us a break 
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no (Kambiz Iranpovr Mobarekeh)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 09:28:55 GMT


>For your information Baha'is are just tring to answer back all the
>unfair and untruth accussitions. Just one question: would you stay quiet 
>if you were accussed of some thing that your not or some thing you don't
>do? If you wanna put an stop to it, ask your friends to STOP accussing
>Baha'is of thing that they don't do and thing that they are not.

> Tooraj

Hey no bad feelings.
I am not against Bahais. Those who are unfriendly to Bahais are not my
friends either. I just was bored by all this. Hereby I ask the other
side to stop accusing
Bahais too!
                                        Kambiz

                                
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: tarokh@server.uwindsor.ca (TAROKH VAHID             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Mohtasham Kashani
Keywords: A question about Kashani
Date: 23 Jul 1992 04:29:44 GMT

Dear S.C.I Readers,

We had a discusion with one of the friends about Mohtasham Kashani's
works. Does anyone by any chance knows whether there is a translation of
his works in English or not.

If you know please post or e-mail your response.

                Thank You,
                Vahid
From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: Re: Sectarian Iran tend to destroy pakistan 
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:01:34 GMT

 
   In article: <1992Jul21.093128.5369@ulrik.uio.no> kambizm@fidibus.uio.no
writes:

>Mohammad writes:
>
>> Only foolish people like you Mr. Jaber, who have shown your mentality in
>>this news-group by advocating peace in middle-east by Iraqi Scud missiles, can
>>believe that this unfortunate conflicts has been started by Islamic Revolution
>>in Iran. Those who have not covered their eyes with blind hatered against Iran
>>(the thing you have done very successfully!!), know that this violences have
>>deep roots in the short history of Pakistan, long before Islamic
>Revolution, and
>>have been one of the motivations of Islamic Revolution to practically call
>> Muslims from all sects to gather under the flag of Islam
>
>
>Already the rivalry of Iran and Saudi Arabia has resulted into street fighting
>in Kabul in Afghanistan, Where Shia Hezare is fighting Wahabi Hekmatyar Sunnies
>supported by Saudi Arabia. Nobody can deny the rivalry between Saudies
>and Iranians, as it is happening in the newly independent states north
>for Iran.
>                                     Kambiz


    You are right about the rivalry, but the conclusion of this problem, as
is done by A. Jaber, is not correct. The bloody conflicts between these
groups are NOT the result of this rivalry, instead they have much deeper
roots in those societies than the history of Islamic Revolution in Iran. For
instance, Hekmatyar's forces are also fighting against Uzbak militias(Dostom's
forces) who have noting to do with Iran, or even saudi Arabia, while Hekmatyar
himself has made the first alliance with pro-communist militias(forces of
Glimjam, tani, Watanjar, etc.)a few months before recent events in
Afghanistan.On the other hand, if the rivalry between Iran and saudi Arabia
is the reason for these conflicts, then there is a contradiction in your 
above statement: Why this rivalry has not created conflicts like those of
afghanistan and Pakistan in "Newly independent states north for Iran"?

Mohammad   
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian