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From: stanaway@ssd.comm.mot.com (Chris Stanaway)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Reply-To: stanaway@ssd.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:00:17 GMT

In article 7872@news.iastate.edu, trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy) writes:
>Once again, I'm doing tthis by hand...
>
>A Previous poster writes:
>
>> All right, if you don't like that metaphor, Time travel is
>> as impossible as a science-fiction show about a weird guy
>> who lives in a police box actually remaining on the air
>> for twenty-six years and garnering fans from around the
>> world. It'll never happen. --any BBC executive circa  1962.
>> 
>
>Look, you completely dense people...You cannot compare time travel
>to the production of a television show. Face it. Nor can you compare
>it to bumblebees. If you want me to have some Quantum Physicists 
>send you crap loads upon crap loads of info on why going back in time
>is impossible, I will have it for you. Just tell me your post address.
>
>Frank Trumpy
>trump@iastate.edu

Look, Frank/Jennifer, if people want to discuss the possibility of time
travel, let them.  It's interesting to hear their ideas.  It seems fairly
evenly split between the poster's opinions as to whether or not it's possible.
If you have "crap loads of info on why going back in time is impossible",
then summerize it and post it.  But don't come on here insulting people.
Others who agree with you have posted their explanations why they say it's
impossible.  Can you say the words "rational discussion"?

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Two Doctors No-Prizes (*SPOILERS for 2Drs*)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:22:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.005814.11776@mercury.cair.du.edu> mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN) writes:
>Yet it would have made alot more sense for the Time Lords to choose
>Pertwee.  Troughton hadn't really bothered them that much until
>"War Games".  If they wanted to test a Doctor, and reward him with
>soemthing (a la Pertwee in Three Doctors) why choose Troughton?
>Also, Troughton passed the "test" of the Two Doctors, I guess, which
>would meen that Pertwee would never be exiled and Troughton wouldn't
>change appearance until later.  It doesn't click.
>you're right, Hartnell wouldn't have ever made that deal. 
>
>
Are you sure?
Here's what Marc Platt (of "Ghost Light" fame) reported of the early stages
of "The Two Doctors" in first drafts by Robert Holmes, in an old issue
of the Whovian Times from DWFCA.

The script was originally called "The Androgum Inheritance" and featured
the First Doctor and Susan.  The original setting was also going to be
New Orleans (actually filmed on location).
Holmes wanted a new set of aliens in this one (the androgums) and 
needed a hook for them, deciding on food since New Orleans has a good
reputation for edibles.
Then, tragedyu struck, and Richard Hurndall (the First Doctor in "The
Five Doctors" whom they wanted to use in this story), died in 1984.
Logistically, this story was very crucial, as it was slated for the
overseas filming and was filling the three-part-fifty-minute-episode
slot for the season.  In the scripts as written, two Doctors were
essential (one to get caught to draw the Sixth into the situation),
and so they went forward to the next Doctor, Patrick Troughton.
The First Doctor's use would have no continuity problems, since none
of us know what exactly he was doing before "An Unearthly Child."
Also, rather late in the day, the location had to be changed to Saville
in Spain, but as the Androgums were already food-obsessed, Holmes
decided to stick with it.


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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Doctors Memery from the 2 Doctors
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:58:17 GMT

In article <14632@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>In article <w46coB4w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>I just though of something.  The 2nd doctor met Peri in perculiar
>>circumstances.  She saved his and the 6th Doctor's life in the Two Doctors
>>with the help of Jamie.
>>However, it leaves one to wonder how Doctors 5 and 6 could not remember Peri
>>from that earlier venture.  Could it be that the Doctor was made to forget
>>this after the War Games? OR was that dose of Spectrox enough to wipe off some
>>of his memory cells?
>
>Not the spectrox.  Sirlalanimode.  When the second Doctor wakes up in
>part two, he realizes that Chessene and company had drugged him with
>siralanimode, which affects the memory.  Presumably his mind was scrambled
>enough to forget the whole incident.  That's what Holmes implied as to
>why the sixth Doctor couldn't remember what had happened from the second
>Doctor's point of view..

Good.  I like this one.  forget my previous stuff, this one looks about
thje best to me.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Two Doctors No-Prizes (*SPOILERS for 2Drs*)
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:00:44 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul27.005814.11776@mercury.cair.du.edu> mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN) writes:
>In article <14661@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>Yet it would have made alot more sense for the Time Lords to choose
>Pertwee.  Troughton hadn't really bothered them that much until
>"War Games".
>  If they wanted to test a Doctor, and reward him with
>soemthing (a la Pertwee in Three Doctors) why choose Troughton?

Exactly because he hadn't bothered them that much yet.  The Doctor, on his
early wanderings, hadn't attracted much attention among the high
Gallifreyans.  As of the Pertwee era, it's quite clear that Time Lords are
keeping an eye on him, whereas no one is tracking Troughton's movements.
It makes him a much better covert operator, doesn't it?

>Also, Troughton passed the "test" of the Two Doctors, I guess, which
>would meen that Pertwee would never be exiled and Troughton wouldn't
>change appearance until later.  It doesn't click.

Not necessarily.  The Time Lords who sent him on the mission are not
necessarily the ones who put him on trial.  This could be the fabled
Celestial Intervention Agency in action -- the ones that eventually got
his exile lifted, according to "Deadly Assassin".

In fact, if he were taken out of time, then they WOULDN'T have the
capacity to affect Troughton's trial.
From: clearyd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (David C G Cleary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Videos in Australia
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:11:43 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


Does anyone know whether the videos "The Hartnell Years" and "The Troughton
Years" are available in Australia?

Thanks.

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From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Old Dr. Who FAN
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:57:20 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

mrmuon@next04pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:
>   The third volume is, or will be, "The Universal Databank". I don't know  
>if it's published yet, but I am looking forward to getting it.
>   These books are a great reference, and I highly recommend them.

Last I heard, The Universal Databank was due out this November.

Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
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Subject: Re: References of Christianity
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:50:40 MST
 <1992Jul22.000559.6807@pimacc.pima.edu> <1992Jul24.024750.4417@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> <1992Jul24.054424.8616@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>

In article <1992Jul24.054424.8616@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU writes:
> Slight correction here
> 
>>>The final destruction of the Library was indeed under the Muslims. However
>>>the Library was burned to the ground around 440. Parts of the library survived
>>>and were finally finished off by the invaders.
> 
> I think the last burning took place in the late fourth century. Something
> else happened in 440. The Emperor in Rome at this time was of course a 
> christian, which is the point of this argument. 
> 
> I will take no further part in this thread, since it really belongs elsewhere.
> 
> Mark C.

The final destruction of the Library was after the muslim conquest in 640-
642AD. Whether they burned it or not they destroyed it nonetheless.
From: Sstevens@oregon.uoregon.edu (Shirien Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Seattle clubs?  Is DW on TV in Seattle Area?
Keywords: Seattle
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:50:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: oregon.Sstevens.21
Organization: University of Oregon

My friend lives in Seattle, and cannot find Dr. Who on TV up there.  A 
little while ago I found the listing for all DW organizations, and emailed 
the Seattle person listed, but have not heard anything.

Does anybody know if:

1.  Dr. Who is on Seattle TV?
2.  There is an active (or at least not dormant) organization Seattle?

THANKS!

Sstevens@oregon.uoregon.edu
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From: trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy)
Subject: Re: As easy as Pi
Keywords: 5Drs, Pi, Chess
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:35:22 GMT

In article <dennis.712198578@citr.uq.oz.au> dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer) writes:
>Greetings,
>
>Here's something that's been bothering me for ages.
>
>Is their ANY actual relevance to the use of Pi in the chess-board security
>sequence in the 5 Doctors. If so please explain the events of this
>extract a little more clearly than they are portrayed in the show.

Hmmmm. I thought about this, and I finally decided there was none...I mean, if
you look at his feet, therez no real pattern. You could step every 3.14 spaces,
(incidentialy: the calculation of the portion of Pi the Doctor mentions is
WRONG. He says: 3.1415269, and the first few digidts is: 3.1415927)

>Thanks in advance...
>
>
>--
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>       Dennis Remmer - dennis@citr.uq.oz.au - DennisR@syacus.acus.oz
>    Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Brisbane Queensland Australia


Frank Trumpy
trump@iastate.edu

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From: mrmuon@next15epsl.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: PBs in England
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:35:37 GMT

In article <18644@drutx.ATT.COM> bdm@druwa.ATT.COM (Brian Millham) writes:
> 
> Let's not forget, the earth is flat
> It's at the center of the universe.
> The sun revolves around the earth.
> 
> Science is never wrong, is it?

I hope your not suggesting that any of those notions were due to science.
They aren't.
From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: thanks
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:49:41 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <199228.752.11416@dosgate> "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com> writes:
> Thanks to those that replied to my request for the Battlefield plot,
>part 4. Mark, Jim and Liz.
>
> Mark: Your request is on the way (if you haven't got it already).
>  Jim: Glad you got copies (Geez, that was fast).
>  Liz: I tried to reply to you to thank-you personally, but the address
>in the footer bounced  back. So, I thank-you here. Just what is the
>proper address anyway?  If there's anything I can do to reciprocate,
>please let me know.
>
>Whovians are damn fine people!
>
>Best regards,
>Dale Clayton.
>--
>Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI
>World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

Dale,
	You've probably seen my previous post about the loss of Part Three.
I am going to have to completely rewrite the thing, but to avoid the
same sort of problems I had when nearly finished last time (the telnet
killing before the file was complete), I would like to write the thing
on my own system (VAXes) then email it to you and you then post it.
I could not work such a thing, as I am so unfamiliar with this screwball
system Iain has to use at the University of Virginia.  It took me two
weeks just to learn how to edit files on his computers in the newsgroups,
and I still can't incorporate other files, create files outside the
rn system, or even get a directory of what files are there!
	So, if you can work this, how about it?

					Steve
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From: mrmuon@next09pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Why make a bad episode?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:10:09 GMT

In article <2380@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> drwho@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Taeri Bellasar)  
writes:
> 
> The BBC is radically different from the American network system.  It  
simply
> is not structured the same way.  They don't have a one-year season.  A  
show
> runs it's course then another starts up in the same time slot, they  
don't
> just repeat Dr. Who for the other part of the year.  Delay one and you  
delay
> the whole schedule.  At that time the BBC was producing most of all of  
its
> programs, there is no way a delay could have been allowed that late in  
the
> season.

  A further difference betweeen BBC and american TV is that for the first  
few years had a full year season without repeats. The season was so long  
that by the time one season ended, the next one began.  
 
> As to running reruns of previous episodes, in England it takes the
> permission of almost everyone involved in the production of the show to
> arrange a repeat.  If one actor says no, they can't rerun it.  That is
> changing now, but then it was very difficult, especially on short  
notice.

   This had a lot to do with why the BBC tried to destroy the first 6 or 7  
seasons of DW. They didn't forsee them being shown again because there  
would be too much legal work to show an episode again after 3 years.

> I thoroughly enjoyed Trial and like just the way it is.  I would like to
> know what Robert Holmes had planned, but his material was legally  
protected
> (as I understand it) and the Dr. Who Production Office had no access to  
it.
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctors Memery from the 2 Doctors
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:13:16 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <w46coB4w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>I just though of something.  The 2nd doctor met Peri in perculiar
>circumstances.  She saved his and the 6th Doctor's life in the Two Doctors
>with the help of Jamie.
>However, it leaves one to wonder how Doctors 5 and 6 could not remember Peri
>from that earlier venture.  Could it be that the Doctor was made to forget
>this after the War Games? OR was that dose of Spectrox enough to wipe off some
>of his memory cells?

Not the spectrox.  Sirlalanimode.  When the second Doctor wakes up in
part two, he realizes that Chessene and company had drugged him with
siralanimode, which affects the memory.  Presumably his mind was scrambled
enough to forget the whole incident.  That's what Holmes implied as to
why the sixth Doctor couldn't remember what had happened from the second
Doctor's point of view..
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From: trump@iastate.edu (Jennifer M Trumpy)
Subject: Re: "SHADA" Video
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:23:22 GMT

In article <scottg.04vc@amiganet.chi.il.us> scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz) writes:
>
>  I received my "SHAD" Video from the UK Thursday and had it converted this
>morning.  I just finished viewing it and it lived up to all my expectations. 
>Douglas Adams is a brilliant writer, and in my opinion one of DW best.  I don't
>understand what all the fuss was about this story - "SHADA" was not only the
>pest story of season 17, but one T. Bakers best DW stories.

Well, as I understand it, the workers went on strike or something and they
didn't have the manpower to show it. Yes, Addams is a great writer, but he
carries his ideas around with him (the Time Machine in Cambridge, and the
Chesterfield. The Dead Planet(?_)was *identical* to DGHDI. Oh, well. After
I found out about this, I suddenly had a lower view of Addams, as you might
expect.

Frank
trump@iastate.edu
From: tagg@hg.uleth.ca (Nathaniel Tagg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Time Lord Translation
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:54:49 GMT
Reply-To: tagg@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge


	Actually, the Doctor did once give a pat explanation to Sarha Jane in
one episode.  (They were in Renaissance Italy.... what was the name?  Anyone?
Anyone?)  He just said it was a telepathic gift he allowed his companions to
share. Sure, why not through the TARDIS?  We do know his is telepathically and
symbiotically bonded to the TARDIS, so why doesn't it just do his translation
for him, echoing back and forth on a speech-center neural level.  

     (It _could_ happen....)


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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Survival plot synopsis  author needshelp
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:51:53 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.drwho
Organization: University of Virginia

I need help.
When the telnet went down on me last night, I completely lost Part Three
of my Survival plot synopsis.
I do not want such a thing to happen again, so I would like to ask for
a bit of help here.
If anyone out there can take a mail post and then post that to the group,
contact me please.  In future I would like to write these things on my
own account on my school's VAX systems and then email it to this person
among you who I know will be most nice and do this for me and for you all.

So how about it?

As for the synopsis itself, I am not going to rewrite the thing until I
get some partner in on this to post the synopses, and even then it may
be a while before Part Three appears as I am VERY busy this week.
Another benefit of this, however, could be that I can come-and-go at the
writing of these, when before I had to sit down and write it all in one
go.  These last ones have gotten about five hours long.
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From: mrmuon@next04pg2.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins)
Subject: Re: Old Dr. Who FAN
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:05:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.193156.21111@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>  
elh@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Edward L. Haletky) writes:

> 
> Is there a Dr. Who Program Guide anywhere? Years back there exist such a  
guide.

   There is a current programme guide, in fact a 3 volume set. Books are  
published by Target books (publishers of the novelizations) and written by  
Jean-Marc Lofficier. The first volume is "The Programe Guide" and contains  
first a short list of all the stories, and then a long list with  
production codes, dates of original prodcast, individual episode titles  
(where applicable), writer, producer, script editor, and complete cast  
lists, plot summaries, and a few other notes. It is ISBN 0 426 20342 9.
   The second volume is "The Terrestrial Index" and contains: an  
interpretation of the history of mankind according to DW; a list and plot  
summaries of all professional fiction about DW; indices of actors,  
writers/ script editors/ producers, technical personnel, novelization  
writers, individual episode titles, and fiction; and addenda to the  
programme guide. It is ISBN 0 426 20361 5.
   The third volume is, or will be, "The Universal Databank". I don't know  
if it's published yet, but I am looking forward to getting it.
   These books are a great reference, and I highly recommend them.
From: root@nemesis.UUCP
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:24 CDT
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Old Dr. Who FAN
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<>
[0]I have been reading this newsgroup only recently. I used to read quite often
[0]at University however, I have been out for a few years. A few questions.
[0]
[0]Is there a Dr. Who Program Guide anywhere? Years back there exist such
[0]a guide.

Ah yes, an old timer, probably from the net.* days.  You are probably
referring the excellent reference that was prepared during 1986-1987 by Mike
Brown (vidiot) and James Armstrong.  It eventually reached a stage where it
was pulled from the net and published on paper.  If you have seen the Star
Trek program guide he produces, you can get an idea of how useful the Dr.
Who guide was.

The last one posted to the net had working titles for Season 24, with
story titles like "Flight Of The Chimerons".  The only negative of these
guides was you had to have Postscript printer (there were no previewers then)
to read them.  In my case, I had the oldest Apple laserwriter and it was
just barely capable of handling the guide.  It would probably barf on the
Star Trek guide today (Old ROMS, few fonts).

There are several guides that are posted from time to time, including one
of my own (update appearing soon), and usually a combination of these will
cover all the bases.

[0]I do not have access to the shows anywhere. I was curious if anyone
[0]knows a place that sells the shows on video? The PBS station where I live
[0]only shows them during pledge drives and at no other time, if then.

You can get several on video tape, and at least one on LaserDisc.  CBS/FOX
is the distributer in the NTSC world.

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