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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Why Can't the AFC teams play NFC style football.
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:11:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BzzK32.IAF
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

A recent posting said that the AFC-west plays the NFC-East
style of football with a good-D.  

My question is: why can't the teams in the AFC try to emulate
the philosophy of NFC power houses 
with emphasis on a dominant-D.  This would make them
tougher and bonafide Super-Bowl contenders. 
Ofcourse, this is *not* a flame on the AFC.

IMO, the Chargers and the Sea-Hawks are going in the
right direction.

S.H
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From: doan@aslslc07.asl.dl.nec.com (Duc Doan)
Subject: Re: Dallas: Curvin Richards
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:43:15 GMT

In article <C015EG.25o@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>I can't believe that Jimmy Johnson cut Curvin Richards! What type of game does
>Johnson expect the guy to have when he has hardly played at all during the
>season? They didn't really give him much of a chance. I know he was injured at
>the beginning of the season (lacerated kidney) and didn't get to play then,
>but even when the Cowboys had the game locked up they still left Emmitt in
>close to the end.
>
I think JJ is sending a message to his troop since the Boys has lost most
of their games solely on lack of concentration. If you watched the tapes
closely you can see that Curvin Richards never attempted to recover or run
after the ball. He is just standing there and watch. JJ can tolerate a mistake
but not the lack of hustling. 

>If he is letting him go because of an attitude in practice that would be
>different. But, then again, what kind of attitude can you have at practice
>when you know you aren't going to play?
>
>Anyway, I think it was a bad move on the part of the Cowboys.
>
I think this is a very good and important move on the part of  the
Boys since this will hopefully prevent the kind of mistakes that could kill
them in the playoffs. Won`t you be more carefull when you know your job could
be on the line?????
>Eric
>


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From: barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (James Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: re: Dallas: Curvin Richards
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:09:04 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Dec30.100107.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>,
cwdenney@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
|> Eric@abode.ttank.com writes that "cowboys were dumb for releasing
|> running back
|> Curvin Richards" 
|> 
|> hey..welcome to the NFL buddy..this isnt the heartbreak hotel..fumbling
|> twice
|> in the same game and giving up 14 points isnt the way to earn the
|> coach's
|> respect..
|> 
|> BTW, Dallas is my favorite team!
|> 
|> Go Cowboys...

Remember when Roger Craig fumbled against the Giants in the NFC
Championship game???  Was he around for the next game????



NOPE.................






Go DALLAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Playoffs/the final answer/the Cowboys.
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:52:21 GMT
	<1992Dec28.181727.1278@pbhyg.PacBell.COM>
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Organization: University of Michigan

In article <1hnjhpINNo9h@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds) writes:


    >>       in the NFL and rushing defensive that has not been test by the top
    >>       rusher in the league.  E.Smith will have a field day, so will Aikman and
    >
    >Actually, I happen to believe that Thomas and Sanders are both better than
    >Smith (but obviously this is very subjective).  Thomas caused the niners
    >fits early in the season.  We will find out about Sanders tonight.  BTW,

   You just lost ALL credibility with that one Sanders ??? Pleeease !
   Thomas = maybe but Sanders ??? 

   And for the last time:
   Listen real close, pick up the paper and look at the sports page,
   now turn to the page NFL Statistics, now look under the column
   marked DEFENSE, now look at the team name right at the top...

That same stats sheet will show you that Sanders and Smith have the same
yards-per-carry, and they both have a ton of yards.  Smith has more carries,
but unless you really think he's got a stamina edge on Sanders the stats
don't make a case for either being better than the other, given the same
number of carries.  Emmitt plays for a much better team, this year.  Good
teams go to a running game to shorten the length of the game (with a very
short list of notable exceptions) when they are up.  So all the *stats* show
me is that Emmitt plays for a better team.  You've got to look deeper.

Now if you want to look at the blocking each receives, and the surrounding
passing game which will provide distractions for each back, its pretty clear
that Smith has a big advantage over Sanders.  So based on statistics (which
seem to show them to be about equal) you'd have to conclude that Sanders is a
better back. 

The argument is kind of pointless, but you really seem to feel you've got a
strong case that Sanders is no competition for Smith, so I'd like to hear
your reasoning.  From my point of view I think its impossible to make a
strong case that either a ton better than the other, but I've put up a
strawman for why Sanders is better.  Do you have as strong an argument for
why Smith is better, or is it just woofing?

Bill
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From: mndot@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Vikes are history
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:35:59 -0600
Organization: Minnesota State University System

In article <1993Jan2.200111.1608@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
> The Redskins are kicking butt with a former College QB
> by the name of Brian Mitchell. He does KO returns and
> he has been a major factor in today's game against the
> Vikings.....
> 
> Current score:  Vikings  7  Redskins  24
> -- 
>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
> "To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
> everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller

Well, looks like the Vikes failed to show up for an entire game once
again.  I can see why they had such difficulty in selling out the game
here locally.  With dismal performance it is difficult to shell out
$35.00 a head to see a slaughter.  I guess deep down we all knew this
was going to happen.  I hope this gives the Vikes management to drive
to go and and find/acquire a real team leader to fill the quarterback
position.  there were just too many brain farts on the part of
Salisbury; not getting rid of the ball, turning into defenders, weak
passes, low passes.  There is only so much the receiver can do to haul
in the ball and Sean didn't give them too many opportunities.  Oh
well, enough of my complaining about the Vikes,  I can just thank them
for puting my out of their misery.

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Standard disclaimer applies.
From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Coach of the Year
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:50:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Dec27.175059.9966
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu

Well, it's now about 10 minutes before kickoff at the Dome, but before
I sit down for 3 hours in front of the TV (yes, we're actually getting
this game!), let me throw out my thoughts on COY.

Who I think deserves it:  Bobby Ross
Who I think will get it:  Winner of GB/Min game today

Go Vikes, let's head into the playoffs on a great note!

Jim
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: For New York Giants Fans
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:32:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.152939.19515@pbhya.PacBell.COM> drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall) writes:
>From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
>Subject: Re: For New York Giants Fans
>Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:29:39 GMT
>In article <102922@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec22.002632.25620@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:
>>>Ray Handley and Rod Rust **must** GO!!
>>>
>>>End of Discussion.
>>>
>>>But who can we get to replace them?
>>>
>>Tom Coughlin, head coach of the Boston College football team.  He was with the
>>GIANTS organization but left to take up head coaching job at B.C.  He has
>>done tremendous things with that offense especially with Chucky Dukes and their
>>QB (whose name escapes me).  All right so they got blown out by Notre Dame but
>>Coughlin has made the most out of his personnel.
>>
>>GIANTS management has their sights on him.
>
>Does this statement mean that there is a short list already? Any rumors about
>who the other candidates are?
>

Each news-rag has their own opinions as to who the giants will be looking 
for. We can all speculate by past/present coaching trends, and the media 
has a way of getting leaks out.  The Giants have always been a win-by-
strong defense team.  If you think the owners want that to continue look 
for a college coach who is working wonders on defense or nfl defensive coord 
looking for a head position.  I said in an unrelated thread earlier that I 
had heard that the Jets Special Teams coach was interested. I got blasted by 
the Jets fans saying there is no way he would leave the franchise...

-Oh well, anyone else have clues as to our next coach.
Adriene
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why Can't the AFC teams play NFC style football.
Date: 29 Dec 92 01:48:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <BzzK32.IAF@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>A recent posting said that the AFC-west plays the NFC-East
>style of football with a good-D.  
>
>My question is: why can't the teams in the AFC try to emulate
>the philosophy of NFC power houses 
>with emphasis on a dominant-D.  This would make them
>tougher and bonafide Super-Bowl contenders. 
>Ofcourse, this is *not* a flame on the AFC.
>
>IMO, the Chargers and the Sea-Hawks are going in the
>right direction.
>
>S.H
>----------------------------------------------------------
>My Euphoric Moments: A Vikes TD & a Twins' Homer Blast.

I think this may have a lot to do with intraconference matchups.  What good
is it to play a dominant D, ball control O game when the other team has a
QB like Kelly or Marino or Moon who can score a TD in the blink of an eye.
And in order to protect your million dollar QBs, you're gonna spend $$$
building up a good O line, WRs, etc, etc. and neglect the D.

The GIANTS-Bills SB was a good example of this.  The Bills scored a point
for every minute they had the ball!  Fortunately for the GIANTS, Bebbe
dropped a lot of catchable passes and the Bills D didn't hold the GIAs
when they were 3 and long. They were 5 feet wide right to winning the game
though!

satish nair
ray is gone
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Coach of the Year nominees
Date: 28 Dec 92 14:47:40 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <QfDgvV_00WDK8CJ3cu@andrew.cmu.edu>, vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon) writes...

>Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 23-Dec-92 Coach of the
>Year nominees istre@ricevm1.rice.edu (830)
> 
>> Well it is time for name the Coach of the Year. I will go ahead and cast
>> my personal choices. Some of you may agree and most of you will disagree
>> but what the hell, they are MY choices.
>>  
>> NFC - Mike Holmgren, Green Bay Packers.
>>  
>>       His Packer team has made the playoffs, but more importantly, they
>>       have made many accomplishments not done since the Lombardi era.
>>       Packer fans have in my opinion, been a hardy, 'stand-by-their-team'
>>       bunch, but I am sure they must be very excited up there.
> 
>no, they're *NOT* in the playoffs, but they should be. This is another
>tough call, but NFC COTY honors should go to either Holmgren or Green. I
>think the Pack had a bigger turn-around, so I'd give the honors to
>Holmgren.

There is no doubt in my mind that no coach did more with less than 
Mike Holmgren.  (More victories with less talent that is.)  Many 
analysists (including about 70% of the people here on the net) picked 
Green Bay to be *the* worst team in the league this year.  The fact is 
that across the board the Packers have one bonafide super-star, a 
handful young guys with lots of potential, and large number of average to 
slightly above average players.

I wouldn't say the Packers are pretenders.  They made the plays 
necessary to win 9 ballgames this year.  You can't take that away from 
them.  But realistically, they have a lot of holes to fill before they 
make a run at the SB.  However, with the job that GM Ron Wolf and Mike 
Holmgren have done this year, I am confident that they will get it 
done.  I expect a real run at the division championship next year.

So, I would say it depends on your criteria for selecting COTY.  
Dennis Green accomplished much more than the Mike Holmgren.  But I 
think had a lot less to work with.  Coaching the Packers to 9 wins 
this year is nothing short of amazing.

JGH
From: bergerson@cvdv79.mayo.edu (Chad D. Bergerson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CENTRAL DIVISION RIVALS 1970-92
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:19:59 GMT
Reply-To: bergerson@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN


In article <1992Dec30.025120.11517@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jmartens@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey D Martens) writes:
->Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
->From: jmartens@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey D Martens)
->Subject: Re: CENTRAL DIVISION RIVALS 1970-92 
->
->In article <1992Dec22.150758.14201@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@mayo.edu writes:
->
->>Chew on these numbers for a while:
->
->>                         1970-1992
->>Team                     record               win pct.     division titles
->>------------------      --------------        --------     ----------------
->>Minnesota Vikings       200 - 141 - 2          .587         ELEVEN
->>Chicago Bears           179 - 163 - 1          .523         EIGHT
->>Green Bay Packers       141 - 194 - 8          .421         one
->							     ^^^
->							     TWO
->
->
->Nope:  the Packers won the NFC Central in both '72 and '82.  This
->still isn't exactly impressive, though.
->
->-- 
->-- Jeff (temporarily based at jmartens@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu)
->

There were no Division Champs in 1982 because of the strike.  Teams went to the 
playoffs according to conference record.

  Wash   8  1   
  Dal    6  3   
  GB     5  3 1 
  Minn   5  4   
  Atl    5  4   
  SL     5  4   
  TB     5  4   
  Det    4  5   
  NO     4  5   
  NYG    4  5   
  SF     3  6   
  Chi    3  6   
  Phil   3  6   
  Rams   2  7   

  Rdrs   8  1   
  Mia    7  2   
  Cin    7  2   
  Pitt   6  3   
  SD     6  3   
  NYJ    6  3   
  NE     5  4   
  Clev   4  5   
  Buf    4  5   
  Sea    4  5   
  KC     3  6   
  Den    2  7   
  Hou    1  8   
  Balt   0  8 1 

%TIE-BREAK NO NYG	(SL, Atl, Wash: 1-3 vs 0-4)
%TIE-BREAK Pitt SD	(Cin, Clev, KC: 3-1 vs 2-1)

%PLAYOFF

% Sun, Jan 9, 1983
	NE @ Mia 13 28
	Clev @ Rdrs 10 27
	NYJ @ Cin 44 17
	SD @ Pitt 31 28
	Det @ Wash 7 31
	SL @ GB 16 41
	Atl @ Minn 24 30
	TB @ Dal 17 30

% Sun, Jan 16
	NYJ @ Rdrs 17 14
	SD @ Mia 13 34
	Minn @ Wash 7 21
	GB @ Dal 26 37

% Sun, Jan 23
	NYJ @ Mia 0 14
	Dal @ Wash 17 31

% Super Bowl XVII (Rose Bowl)
% Sun, Jan 30
	Wash v Mia 27 17



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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: Playoff question
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:40:37 GMT

In article 26494@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu,  rhoenes@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Richard Hoenes) writes:
>
>Possible sinario:                                                               
>                                                                                
>SF (bye)                                                                        
>Dallas (bye)                                                                    
>Washington at Minnesota                                                         
>Philadelphia at NO                                                              
>                                                                                
>Let's say Minnesota and NO win, then you have                                   
>                                                                                
>SF                                                                              
>Dallas                                                                          
>Minnesota                                                                       
>NO                                                                              
>
>Who plays who? Does SF play NO since NO is a wild card team even if they        
>have a better record then Minnesota? There used to be a rule that said          
>a division winner couldn't play a wild card from their own division             
>until the Championship game (this was with the old playoff format), is          
>that sill in effect?                                                            
>   
>Richard                                                                         

With the expansion to three wild cards, it is still conceivable that three
teams from the same division advance to the playoffs AND SURVIVE through
the wild card games.  If Washington qualifies as a wild card, we might just
see that happen:

	Washington over Minnesota, advancing to San Francisco
	Philadelphia over New Orleans, advancing to Dallas

Thus, that old "non-divisional opponents in the second round" rule MUST be
rendered obsolete.


Bob - but the way we're playing, the Skins'll be home for New Year's Eve   :-(

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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: NFC playoff picture questions
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:51:21 GMT

In article 3197@devnull.mpd.tandem.com,  dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>OK, the Cowboys have the NFC East.  If they lose next week, and the Saints
>win, and the Saints win the wildcard game, then the Cowboys and Saints
>will play each other in the second round.  The question is, since they
>both finished with 12-4 records, who will host?

Regardless of record, the division winners will host the wild card teams ...
ergo, New Orleans would play at Dallas ...

>The other question is:  if the Saints lose next week and the Eagles win,
>then they play each other in one of the wildcard games.  Who will host
>this game, since they both finish with 11-5 records?

Hard to think that a game played in early September might yet have relevence (sp?)
in the playoffs ... first week of the season, the Eagles win out a defensive
struggle over the Saints, 15-13 ...

>Daniel Welch


Bob - who finally got clarification on the Skins/Pack/Eagles 3-way   :-0

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From: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Playoff games - NFC
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:09:37 GMT
Reply-To: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

great analysis of the playoff picture. one thing does bother me.
everybody would rather play the vikes rather than the skins, eagles, 
saints, and/or packers. IMO, the vikes are an equal team to any of those
teams without an offense. if the O finally bounces back, look out!
you might be sorry for wanting to play the vikes.

							vinnie
From: hbishop@ttsi.lonestar.org (Huett Bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Raiders vs. Redskins (CBS' unprofessionalism)
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:58:23 GMT
Organization: Tandem Telecommunications Systems Inc.

In article <29710129@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen) writes:
>>(james e kist) /  3:59 pm  Dec 26, 1992 /
>>After Washington's touchdown that put them in the lead 20-14 in the fourth
>>quarter, CBS displayed the words to "Hail to the Redskins" while the
>>Redskins' marching band played the song. I thought that NFL football
>>coverage was supposed to be unbiased. I guess I was wrong. This was a very
>>unprofessional move by CBS.

Unbiased? HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Just watch Monday Night Football's pre-game, it is very easy to see which
team Frank, Al, and Dan want to win.

When the Cowboys played Philly (game 2) these guys were sucking butt on
Phila. so hard I thought Randall C's eyes would implode, every play that
the Cowboys made error on or Phila did well, was commented on with something
like " well these Cowboys appear to have folded their tents or they are
just not as good as their record etc" Then the Boys started kicking some
butt and man did the announcers scramble to praise the Cowboys.

This happens every week, just watch and listen. Not just ABC or CBS.

I think that ESPN's Sunday night guys are the best, includeing Joe Theisman.
And I am a life long Theiman (the player and Redskin not person) hater.

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