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From: kckbxr@next05pg2.wam.umd.edu (Robin of Locksley)
Subject: Re: Why do dogs protect?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:51:59 GMT

Why do dogs protect?
 Why do people protect (in most cases)?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Poison Alert!! 
From: shoran@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:03:16 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <64640041@hpcss01.cup.hp.com>, bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett) writes:
> I must warn you of a pattern of crimes happening that could endanger your
> dog.  Before I say this, let me state that I support many animal-rights views,
> but as most of you know, the animal activist community is divided on a number
> of issues.  Some people believe, for example, that ever crating a dog is unfair
> to the dog and that dogs should be allowed to roam free, and not be our "slaves"
> 
> I do not agree with this view.  Having said that, you should know that some
> people are taking what is in my opinion a radical stand on this issue and are
> going up to dogs in crates at dogs shows, and smearing antifreeze or other
> poison on the bars.  The dog licks it off, and dies.  The people who do this
> have contacted radio stations and have said that their behavior is justified
> in that the animal is better off dead than enslaved.  
> 
> This weekend, my obedience instructor alerted all her classes to this problem.
> The bottom line is, please do not leave your dogs unattended in a situation
> where this could happen to them.  It would only take a moment for someone to
> do this.  
> 
> Needless to say, I abhor such behavior and dread even having to alert the rest
> of you to this danger.                    
> 
> Diane
> 

I abhor it too - but is it true?  I ask because of a similar scare during the
last year or so, where animals rights activists were supposedly setting free
crated dogs at shows, "freeing them from enslavement" and all that crap.
There were warnings in several dog magazines, and people guarding each
other's dogs, etc.

BUT I never met anyone to whom it had happened, or had actually seen it 
happen, or knew anyone else who had.  Was it all an scarey rumour?  Did
anyone on the net have a dog let loose, or knew anyone who did?

Stef

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: New Proposed Standard for Labradors
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:05:55 GMT

In article <16B5379AD.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
=     ....text deleted.....
=  
= >Personally, I feel that this standard has both good and bad points.  Sadly,
= >I feel that the negatives outweigh the positives on this issue.  I plan to
= >write letters opposing the new standard for several reasons.  If you are
= >interested in further discussion of this issue, I think it would be best to
= >discuss it via private email.
=             =================
=  
= I already sent mail to Liza, but what do the rest of you feel:  should
= this discussion be in private email, or here on rpd?

While I'm a Brittany person, I would be interested in following the
discussion in r.p.d rather than via e-mail.  While all news-readers
don't have the ability to use kill files, I doubt that this
discussion will become so voluminous that those with no interest
will suffer any serious hardship if they must skip over those
articles.  I don't know about others but I've found that, even
when many messages are collected into a single large message, such
on-going things make it difficult for me to take care of that
e-mail that is essential--it is simply buried in the special stuff.
Consequently, I prefer the separateness of news, keeping e-mail for
more limited use.

Further, I suspect that even though not everyone is specifically
interested in the Labrador breed standard, most have a favorite
breed of some description and may be interested in the general
process of breed-standard revision.  Further, if there are no copy-
right problems, it may not be a bad idea to post the proposed breed
standard.  I'll bet that there are some readers of r.p.d who may
have never seen a breed standard and who may like to see an example.

Anyone else interested in seeing the discussion take place in r.p.d?


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: mark@visix.com (Mark Myers)
Subject: Re: Dominant Behaviour
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:14:22 GMT
Reply-To: mark@visix.com (Mark Myers)
Organization: Visix Software, Reston, Virginia

In article <1993Jan10.145010.1196@mala.bc.ca>, bigrasl@mala.bc.ca writes:
|> Does anyone know of a book that deals with dominant behaviour in dogs. ie.
|> training, how to cope with them etc.
|> Any help in this matter would be appreciated.
|> 		Lydia & Indy (Sir Trouble) 

<The Dog's Mind> by Bruce Fogle. This is a great book that deals with 
all aspects of dog mental capacity, development, physiology, social 
behavior, and so forth. Although it's not intended as a "how to" book, 
there are step-by-step instructions on dealing with many behavior 
problems, including dominance and dominance aggression. As a 
comprehensive book on the workings of the canine mind, it's in a 
class by itself.
-- 
Mark Myers - Visix Software Inc. - 703 758 2725 - mark@visix.com
From: cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: attack vs protection (was Re: Goldens as protection?)
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:03:26 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <1iinc0INN9dm@nigel.msen.com> dan@msen.com (Dan [Karen?] Sugalski) writes:

[Most of excellent article about distinguishing between "attack" and "protection" 
deleted for brevity] 

>Attacking is not protection, and any breed can be an attack dog.  Some
>breeds have more background in protection and guarding, usually from a
>livestock protection background, but any dog can be protective of its
>people and/or territory.  The prime requirements for any protection dog
>are a stable temperament and a good relationship with its people.

Amen to that!  This not-too-uncommon situation happened again recently:
Someone I know has a timid shepherd-mix puppy.  I was in its presence, on
familiar ground, for probably the fourth time recently.  The dog still won't
come near me (I love dogs and usually have no such problem) and scuttles away
barking madly if approached.  The 18-year-old owner interprets this display
of fearfulness as "protectiveness".  Gack.  (I realize this attitude isn't
exclusive to young people, by the way.)  I think the dog is well treated, if
not adequately socialized, and I hope she'll grow up to be a good dog, but
I hate to see someone bragging about such a personality.
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:27:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Strange puppy behavior
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

No offense intended, but I wholeheartedly agree.  Your dog is dominating the
heck out of you.  I know it can be harder emotionally to dominate a darling
little dog, because the temptation to baby him is irresistable.  But Cindy is
absolutely right.  His refusal to be housebroken is just another way of his
saying, "I make the rules, not you".  Dogs don't get to vote.  We love them
dearly, but they don't get to vote.

I know a couple who had a furry little dog and they let him dominate them like
yours is dominating you.  It was only a matter of time before he started biting
them.  They finally euthanized him.  Please get some help with yours before
things get really ugly.

Good luck.  Poms are adorable.  By the way, my Sheltie likes to rub his face
on leather and some plastics.  Sounds similar.

Diane
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: An Anti-Dog Trend Coming?
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:14:05 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame

First of all, Happy New Year and I am glad to be back.  Anyway, about the
anti-dog trend.  I have seen it and I am certainly not "greying" at least
in age just yet.  I believe the problem to be two fold.  First, as was    
mentioned before, the lazy attitude that so many people take to dog ownership
has created quite a mess.  Many of my SO's relatives have dogs and they 
hardly even see them let alone keep track of them.  They live in the country
where a dog can "run free".  This means that other peoples pets, yards and
whatever are in danger of being attacked or destroyed by these completely
untrained and uncontrolled dogs.  Second, we live in such a screwed up society
that evertime the neighbor's dog pees in someone elses yard everyone in the
neighborhood has to appear in some court of law to decide if indeed party A
owes party B for the cost of replanting the prize winning rose bush that is of
questionable value (call in an expert witness) as well as the pain and sufferingcaused by the lack of flowers on the table during the spring which in turn   
caused a premature nervous breakdown and the medical bills have to be paid
(call in the physician and a therapist), and so on.  Basically the easiest
way for the government to stop this foolish waste of the legal system is to
simply ban the appearant problem.  Then when someone is walking their dog 
down the street you can just fine them and take away the dog before it all
gets into the court.  Anyway, enough social commentary from me.  I have
to go battle the financial aid dept today ;-(.  

Mike

-- 
| Michael Buening	         | 
| mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu       |
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:45:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.170839.21572@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> cotton@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (carol.jean.swanson) writes:
>
>
>I'm just wondering what are the thoughts 
>out there about getting a second dog...
>I'm thinking we should get another one but
>it's starting to look like a very big step!
>
>Is it more work, about the same, or much more work
>to have the second dog? Does it really help keep the first dog company or

It is more work.  The amount of additional work is relative.

>do you now have 2 lonely dogs?  Does the first dog
>get more active if there is another dog around or does

Depends on the age of the dog(s), breed(s), and the degree to which each
is socialized to other dogs, among other things.

>it depend on the breed?  Also, will 2 dogs making the
>tranisition of having a child later more difficult or easier
>than having one dog.  Or is this even an issue?  I ask 'cause I know
>kids take alot of time which means less time for the dog(s).

I don't think they are related.

>
>Also, if we get the second dog, how long will it
>take us to know if it is going to work out or not?
>2 weeks, a month, more?  I want to make sure we
>can return the second dog if it doesn't work out --
>particularly if the #1 dog and it don't get along.

Again, this depends on a number of things, the age, status, and
socialization of your current dog, as well as the same for the new dog.
It is also somewhat breed dependent, albiet to a much lesser degree.

>
>Thanks in advance for any discussion.
>-- Carol Mount
>hogpa!cjsm

I don't think I really helped much.  It would help me (and others) to
know more about your current dog and current living conditions and
activities.  Also, whay do you want another dog?  That sort of stuff.
Post or e-mail me with the additional information and we can talk more.

-- 
============================================================
Stephen R. Lee                 | 
OooWoo Racing Kennel           | I'd rather be driving sled
E-Mail: srlee@beta.lanl.gov    | dogs.
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Goldens as protection?
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 08:51:51 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu

In article <2B4BAA64.21342@ics.uci.edu>
   tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
 
>>>again thinking of getting a dog.  Maybe a lab or golden as suggested by
>>>the police.
>
>Hm, neither labs nor goldens are suitable protective dogs.
>Perhaps the police are just thinking that a large dog in general will
>deter a thief.  But they are *NOT* good protective dogs...
>as especially illustrated by the following description:
>
>>Summer [a golden] *loves* *everybody*.  Without fail.  At first I
>>thought, it must be that whenever we take Summer to meet someone we
>>feel good about them so she gets the idea that it's okay.  My wife
>>told me of an incident with a door-to- door sales critter who
>>basically let himself inside.  No force, just slick sales tactics,
>>quick movements and viola!, he's in the house.  My wife tells me she
>>was fairly distressed that he was actually in the house *and* that
>>Summer was just so doggone happy to see him.
 
Cindy and I have disagreed on this in the past, and we will continue to
disagree.  While it's true that both Goldens and Labs as a rule are
very friendly, good natured dogs, most of them will still tend to be
fairly protective of their turf.  I believe that the experience you
had with your dog allowing a stranger in the house is much more a
function of her age, than her breed.  As she gets older, she WILL be
more protective of her turf.
 
Take for example my bitch, a 4.5 year old Lab.  She is extremely
laid back for a Lab (ie.  she isn't the least bit hyperactive).  She
is very "soft-mouth" with the birds she retrieves.  When we are at the
park, she will let anyone come up and jump on her, pull on her tail/ears,
etc.  In other words, she is very non-aggressive.  But she is extremely
protective (notice the difference in the words aggressive and protective)
of her turf.  She will not let the utility man read the electric meter
unless we come out and let him in the back yard.  She won't let the
adolescent kids climb up on the wood privacy fence along the back of
the back yard.  And I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that she
would attack someone that actually did try to get into her turf (to
include biting them until they were either subdued or out of her turf).
 
Thus, IMHO, it is ludicrous to say that Labs and Goldens cannot be
good protection for your home.
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: djcasola@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Dawn Frier)
Subject: Re: How do you train a dog to "speak"?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:11:27 GMT

Hi all, hope everyone had a fab holiday season.
As for the question at hand, when Patches was 5yrs or so I taught him
to say please.  He sits there and to get his treat he give me a little growl
like noise not a bark since I thought this was too loud sounding for please.
It took me a couple of hours of looking foolish myself and some cheese and hotdogs.
I sat on the floor with him with a goodie in my hand in front of him.  I said "Say
Please" and started making growly noises myself.  Patches either frustrated or what
made a noise and I gave him a treat.   He picked up pretty fast from there.

Good Luck.
:-)
Dawn and Patches
From: dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Jack Dean)
Subject: Re: puppy mills
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
	<1ii0ogINN6o8@nigel.msen.com> <C0I99s.H9w@austin.ibm.com>
	<16B537440.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> <C0pJ7n.1Kw0@austin.ibm.com>
	<2B5200AC.8640@ics.uci.edu>
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:09:29

>>>>> In article <2B5200AC.8640@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
 Cindy> Nntp-Posting-Host: alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu

 Cindy> In <C0pJ7n.1Kw0@austin.ibm.com> repass@austin.ibm.com (Jim Repass) writes:

>Now back to my point. Is displaysia in Retrievers rare? Or is it a problem
>that won't let them function? Different breeds apparently handle Displaysia
>(and guarantees) differently.

 Cindy> No, it is not, unfortunately.  It seems to be apparent in almost any
 Cindy> breed over 50lbs.  There are some exceptions, but I can't think of them
 Cindy> off the top of my head.

Greyhounds, although over 50 lbs average, tend to have very little
incidence of CHD.  Combination of selective breeding (displastic dogs
don't win, and only succesful racers are bred) and well developed
muscles in the hip area, I would suppose.

I wonder if AKC greyhounds have a higher incidence of displasia than
NGA (racing) greyhounds?  

--
Jack Dean                         dean@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
From: rtravsky@news.uwyo.edu (Rich Travsky)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Need Snow Booties For Paws
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:25:21 MST
Distribution: world
Organization: Banzai Institute

I've an Australian sheperd that's in need of some foot gear for snow
(booties or the like). He gets snow buildup in his paws, etc. 
Pointers, if you would, to sources for booties (either patterns or 
completed products). 

Altho I intend to hit up our news stand to see what the dog oriented 
mags have in their ads, I figure people here would have better 
information as to what worked best and what didn't.

My dog and I offer many thanks in advance!

+---------+    Richard Travsky           RTRAVSKY @ UWYO . EDU
|         |    Division  of  Information  Technology
|     U W |    University of Wyoming   (307) 766 - 3663 / 3668
|      *  |    "Wyoming is the capital of Denver." - a tourist
+---------+    "One of those square states." - another tourist
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: FAQ for Brittany's - does one exist?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:28:13 GMT
Distribution: na

In <C0Dwq4.Fvn@hsi.com> geiste@hsi.com (Doug Geiste) writes:

>Does anyone know of a FAQ for Brittany's?

>I tried /pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/brittany and it doesn't exist.

That's right.  All we have at present are:
bloodhounds
collies
greyhounds
labradors

Soon to appear are:
huskies (Siberian Huskies)
malamutes (Alaskan Malamutes)
chessies (Chesapeake Bay Retrievers)

I don't write them; volunteers do.  This explains the paucity
of breed-specific faqs.  Anybody is more than welcome to volunteer
to write them.  I will take care of making sure they get archived
and are posted from time to time (I post these guys about once
a year, though they're always available at the archive).  So
volunteer away!! (plug, plug, plug)

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: michele@dgbt.doc.ca (Michele Guillet)
Subject: Re: Need Thoughts on getting second dog
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:16:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.080143.27785@midway.uchicago.edu> betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead) writes:
>Carol S. was asking about getting a second dog, and I am very interested
>in people's experiences on this subject.  Often people come into our
>shelter looking for a second dog.  I'd like to advise them well.

>mini-society.  Two dogs keep each other more active, especially when
>young.  And you can usually tell if two dogs are going to work out
>in about two weeks time.  I've had many people bring their dogs in to
>meet prospective second dogs.  It's my impression that this meeting 
>isn't as important as matching the dogs' personalities. An overly 
>aggressive with a very timid dog doesn't work well.
If at all possible, I would recommend that the two dogs meet
on neutral territory before the adoption, unless the new dog is
a puppy.

I have taken care of foster dogs (one at the time) from a local shelter.
I have a female cocker spaniel and to my surprise I have seen love or
hate at first sight. Rarely, I'll admit but on a few occasions the
new dog and my dog had a strong reaction to each other. On two occasions,
the two dogs became best friends in a matter of minutes,
on one occasion they hate each other from the moment they lay eyes
on each other and compete constantly for my attention while
ignoring each other and on couple of occasions my dog hate the newcomer
while the newcomer wanted to make friends. 

I never could figure out a pattern.

-- 
Michele Guillet 			The Communications Research Centre 
3701 Carling Avenue, Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA, K2H 8S2	tel:613-998-2384
Internet: michele@dgbt.doc.ca	
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck)
Subject: Re: Radical Regimen for Recalcitrant Rovers: Weekly Report
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:10:22 GMT

From article <1993Jan10.221453.608@news.wesleyan.edu>, by RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg):
> Well, as I announced on r.p.d last week, I have put Buffer on Job Michael
> Evans' RRRR program.  I said I'd keep you posted, so here's the 1st Report from
> the Trenches:
> 
> 
> I still haven't figured out how to let her go swimming w/out being afraid
> she'll get her feet tangled in the tracking lead & drown herself; or how to let
> her play with her canine buddies when she isn't allowed off-leash (they get all
> tangled up).  Any advice welcome(!).
> 
Ruth, I use a floating line while water training my Newfoundland.
You can make one yourself using a leash clip and water ski line, or
you can buy them in (I think) 25 or 30 foot lengths from R.C. Steele.
They float on top of the water so the dog's legs don't get tangled.
Good luck!  (By the way, I put one of my dogs on RRR last year and it worked
wonders!  A friend of mind "tried" it and "cheated," and her dog
peed on her foot during an obedience trial last fall.  This was an 
obvious "up yours" from the dog.  DON'T CHEAT!!)
-- 
   Anne Beck			| The difference between difficult
   abb@unislc  sun!unislc!abb   | dogs & vicious human beings is
   Unisys  SLC UT               | that difficult dogs don't rise to 
			        | prominent positions in the community.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: world
Date: Sat,  2 Jan 93 00:52:06 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: training problem <sigh>
Comment-To: Ruth_Ginzberg@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  It looks like Buffy's free time off leash is coming to an end. It's
a bad idea to let your dog off leash is she can't be depended to
return to you when you call her.  What if there were an emergency, and
you had to have her back right aawa?  She could easily be hurt or
killed if she picked that minute not to obey you.
  Perhaps you can consider a long rope that you could tether to your
beltloop, or perhaps a fenced area she had to stay in.
  Of course, it would be a good move to work on her recall.  I would
not let her loose again until she came when you called.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
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