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From: mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Protocol & instructors of othr styles
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:45:42 GMT
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta


How do you address the instructor from another style in open style tournaments.
Assume no grudge or adulation.  And, what are the titles of instructors in
TKD, HKD, Aikdo or Jujitsu?

Thanks for your time

Mario Tambay
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:48:07 GMT


	I suggest a 9Mt hydrogen device.  Works well for *me*.

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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: cane techniques
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:13:43 GMT

In article <3821@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>
>Hapkido teaches the cane.  But what other arts do?  Right now, I improvise
>using jo and boken techniques, and add what I've learned from a few seminars
>and picked up from people I've practiced with, but I'd like to explore 
>the full potential of the weapon.
>
>How about some books - hapkido or whatever - that illustrate cane techniques?
>Would fencing techniques be applicable ? (I'd imagine that sabre style 
>fencing would work fine)

You might take a look at ninjutsu if you haven't already.  
Specifically, Masaaki Hatsumi's book, Stick Fighting, ISBN 
0-87011-475-1.  The weapon is the Hanbo, a walking stick 2' 11 
3/4" long (actually, the optimal length is the distance from the 
ground to the point of your hip bone).  The book describes and 
illustrates about 50 techniques against striking and grappling 
attacks, and roughly 10 immobilizations.  
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Protocol and titles of instructors in other styles
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:27:43 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Oct5.185821.6972@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>
>If it's an English speaking person, the terms 'Teacher' and 'Professor'
>are quaint perhaps but seem generally appropriate.   The worst you'll do is
>sound overly formal (unless you sound sarcastic, like you're addressing
>the character in Gilligan's Island, in which case ...).   I remember that
>Spanish-speaking students used to address me that way when I taught
>at Drexel, and although 'Professor' was way overly formal for me personally, 
 
   Again multilingual abilities would help.  Teacher (English) is 
   Professora in Spanish.  Lots of the confusion in MA terminology
   comes from trying to express things in English which originated
   in another language.


-- 
Robert Stroud
Obukan Kendo Club
Portland Oregon USA
roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Saturday, 3 Oct 1992 17:06:12 CDT
From: David James Alexander Hanley <U55870@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido-U.S. & Japan
 <1992Sep30.155538.18936@gtephx.UUCP>

  We are taught to treat kicks much like punches.  This includes pivioting
away, moving in and jamming, and applying techniques, most especially
Sankajo to the ankle.  I hane not trained in these yet but they look nasty.
Part of the problem is the lack of willing ukes.

dave!

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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 30 SEP 92 09:45:47    


re: pool cue

You have to be careful using a pool cue as a staff because it narrows
greatly.  Even a cue with a good, stuff spine can splinter if you
use the narrowing end to block or hit anything substantial.  And jointed
wooden cues are of course going to tend to splinter at the point where
the joint meets the wood.   

All things considered, a non-jointed house cue makes a useful improvised
weapon in a pinch, but you woud want to consider it a speciallized weapon,
and not try to use general Jo or quarterstaff technique with it.  May
look good spinning it, but when it doesn't have the heft throughout required 
for proper combative staff technique.  

Using a good custom cue as a weapon is criminal, you should use the bridge
and billiard balls as weapons before you consider such a thing.  :-)

Sweet memories of our misspent youth, eh ?  ;-)

								todd
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Aikido and the front kick
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:02:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Sep29.230213.4063
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


while on the subject of 'kotegaeshi' on the kicking foot...

take a look at the closing moves in seisan kata (don't know what the
japanese version is): a short, tight ankle/knee break of a front kick.

back to aikido:
neil (sorry, don't know the last name) mentioned that a black belt friend
of his did a good 'kotegaeshi' against a kick. could you elaborate on that?
he (the black belt, that is) said it was a question of extention and 
tai-sabaki.


-mukund
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From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31)
Subject: scared of a needle
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:57:09 GMT

This post was stolen w/o permission.  This makes the third attack
with a dirty syringe that I have read about in 18 mo. though there
have been more threats.  The MA applications seem immediatly obvious
including:
	- situational awareness (or lack of)
	- consideration of blade defense techniques that take a
	higher risk as a trade off for possibility of no cuts.
	- instant stop KOs (Dillman anyone)


"Woman Stabbed With Dirty Syringe During Robbery" United Press 
International (09/28/92)
     Tampa, Fla.--A woman was stabbed six times in the arm by a man  
armed with a syringe who demanded her purse as she sat in her car at a 
stop light and struggled to get money out of her pocket,  according to 
police.  Katherine Calleja said Sunday she will  undergo HIV testing to 
determine whether or not she is infected.  She is already taking AZT.  
Calleja said, "I would rather him to  shoot me than for him to stick me 
with a needle.  I have to live  with this."  Jeffrey Nadler, an 
infectious disease consultant at  the University of South Florida, said 
the risk of exposure to HIV through a needle stick is small because the 
virus can't live long outside the body.  He said it will take up to six 
months for the  virus to show up in a test.  At about 8 p.m. Calleja was 
leaving  a birthday party when she approached a stop light.  She said no  
other cars were on the street.  She saw a man near the road  holding a 
sign that said, "I will work for food."  As she came  closer to the 
light the man darted out in front of her car, she  said.  After she 
almost hit him, Calleja said the man walked  toward her window and she 
thought it was just to let her know he  was OK.  But he threatened her 
with a syringe if she didn't hand  over her purse.  Calleja said she 
told him she had some money in  her pocket and gave him $100.  Calleja 
said she believes the man  stabbed her because she was trying to close 
her automatic windows while she reached into her pocket.  The man ran 
away and she sped off.  She drove home and called police.  Subsequently, 
a doctor  at Tampa General Hospital told her she had been pricked about 
six times, she said. 
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:30:47 GMT

In article <3822@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>	The proper way to use a pool cue is to choke up and hit the guy with 
	the heavy
>end, or poke him with the small end, like you were breaking for a game of 
	8 ball...

I just realized when I read this, that the spear thrust I've seen 
taught with bagua/xingyi/taiji weapons sets is extremely similar
to a good 9 Ball break. The bridge is quite different, but the rest
is the same...

                                               Frank Crary
                                               CU Boulder
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Subject: Re: Protocol & instructors of othr styles
From: mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 5 Oct 92 08:54:37 MDT
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

> |> 
> |> How do you address the instructor from another style in open style
> tournaments.
> |> Assume no grudge or adulation.  And, what are the titles of instructors in
> |> TKD, HKD, Aikdo or Jujitsu?
> 
> "Sir" or "Ma'am" has always worked for me.
> 
> Joel Stave
> stave@apollo.hp.com

Thanks for your reply Joel, this also works for me. Just the same, I'd be 
curious to find out the title of instructors in different styles.  If anyone
else cares to reply (humorous or informative,) I would appreciate it.

Thanks again.

Mario Tambay.
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From: guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay)
Subject: Re: ma movies and books
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:26:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.203502.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> mautzcl@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>I was just wondering if anyone out there in MA-land can recommend any good
>martial arts movies - not the cheesy translated stuff, but any with decent
>plots and a good representation of ma styles.  I have seen all the recent
>movies - J.C. Van Damme's library, Speakman's (which i thought was great),
>Norris', and Brandon Lee's Showdown in Little Tokyo.
>
>Any decent ones that I missed?  I don't like the 'Don the Dragon Wilson' 
>pictures, I find them kind of cheesy...
>
This isn't new, but Billy Jack is an excellent MA movie, with Billy Jack using
Hapkido. My Hapkido Sabunim says the fight scenes a realistic as one can
expect from a movie. 
>   

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From: diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David Iverson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: On Explaining Aikido
Date: 30 Sep 1992 18:32:54 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: bohr.phys.ksu.edu

Why do you need to explain anything at all?  It seems that a physical
demonstration is much more worth-while.  The best explanations that I've
ever heard have led me to scratch my chin and go, "o.k...."  but my biggest
breakthroughs come when somebody puts their hand on me and says, "Like
this."  and proceeds to do something truly remarkable with my body.

For beginners?  I think it either makes sense to them, they enjoy the
feeling of it and they keep coming.  Or it just isn't for them and they'll
leave eventually anyway.  I don't think you can tell anybody anything about
philosophy or metaphysics that is going to get them excited enough to show
up to practice regularily.  They have to love the feeling that physical
practice gives them.

Also, I've seen a lot of very remarkable things.  And I've had a lot of very
remarkable things done to my body.  But I've never seen or felt anything
that couldn't be explained by conventional Physics and (perhaps more
importantly) Psychology.  The unbendable arm trick is a great example.  The
Physics end of it:  if your arm is tense you're muscles are all fighting
each other (i.e. triceps against biceps).  All you oponent has to do is
provide a difference.  If you're relaxed your partner has to contend with
the full strength of your triceps and other muscles.  On the Psychology end: 
I know and I've seen, that when the arm is supposed to be bendable Nage
invariably holds their arm rigid for awhile and then when it looks like they
might embarrass Uke they relax and the arm collapses.  When the arm isn't
supposed to bend Nage never lets up and Uke doesn't try as hard (although
their face may get redder and they may huf and puf more).  Are people out
there willing to say that Psychology isn't a VERY important part of Aikido? 
Especially when you're taking ukeme for a shihan up in front of a seminar. 
Who's going to lose any face they ever had or every will have by embarrasing
the instructor?  Also, on stuff like "the guy was running at him really hard
and he just stuck out his arm and the guy's feet flew out from under him
even though he hadn't been touched."  Of course that happened.  Who among us
is going to take an arm in the throat when they can avoid it?  I'm certainly
going to fall before I get myself clobbered by an all to Physical elbow. 
But don't mistake that for being "hit" by a meta-physical life energy that
pervades the universe.

One last rant:  why do people always assume that understanding the science
behind something makes it dead and boring?  I've always found that an
intimate knowledge of something always leads to greater aesthetic pleasure
and enjoyment.  Our bodies and minds are truly amazing and fascinating. 
There is so much that we can learn about ourselves from careful study of
Physics, Biology, Psychology, etc... that it seems a total waste to explain
very complicated interactions as "Ki energy. (period)"  

-Diverson
--
diverson@phys.ksu.edu
From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:22:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: mimsy.60904
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:
>
>It seems to me that honorifics such as "master", "sensei", etc. are not 
>tiles that one can adopt for oneself; rather, they are given by other
>people.  I find it a bit jarring to be an ad for a do* and see someone billing
>himself as "sensei" or " master".

     It doesn't bother me to see someone billing himself as "Sensei", so
long as the title was bestowed upon him/her by a "proper" authority. I know
that no one in the style I belong to just up and awarded themself the title
of "Sempai" or "Sensei" or "Shihan" or "Kaicho". 

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From: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:11:48 GMT
Reply-To: dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <23250>, mary@Cayman.COM writes:

>I think you missed Nate's point.  He was saying that we use the English
>word "master" to mean *two different and unrelated things*.  One meaning 
>refers to mastery over a body of technique; the other refers to a certain
>"peculiar institution".  To my knowledge, only the first meaning is used
>in the martial arts (aside, perhaps, from some particularly cheezy 
>movies).  There's no "mystique" about it, unless perhaps you confuse the
>two meanings.  

Perhaps my point was the one originally missed, and probably because I
didn't express it well.  It's this, that I am suspect of people who
assume titles not otherwise used in regular society, and titles which
bear some sort of lofty self-serving assumption of superiority.

For example, I can see a master of karate in action, and say to him,
"gee, Bob, you're good!" he can either say thanks, or he can say, "in
my school, you call me Master, or Sir."  Let's carry that farther, and
propose that not all these Master Bobs are really karate masters, but
they still kind of like the title.  However, since I'm the customer, the
one paying him, if anything he should be calling ME sir.

Understand that I don't have to go to schools run by self-proclaimed
Masters (in whatever language), to whom I must bow, and by no means are 
all schools run this way.  But I'll take a guess and say that lots of them are.

In fairness, these Master Bobs may not mean any harm, and may just be passing
on what they themselves learned as students.  But as martial arts students are
constantly taught (at least by REAL karate masters), a technique is only a
suggestion, if you get too rigid in it, you lose all flexibility.  So in the
practice of Martial Arts as a whole.

As an old Zen saying goes, "if you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him!" meaning
that the master you see may not be the true master, that one who proclaims himself
a master is probably not all the way there yet, and that the sword of discrimination
should never be dropped in the interest of promised comfort.

	Dave
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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: My first tournament - Results
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 12:42:49 GMT

In article mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>There is a student at our school who joined from another school, where 
>apparently they used reverse crescent a lot, and sometimes jump reverse
>crescent.  From what I have observed seeing him spar against other students, 
>it just issn't very effective.  He uses a reverse crescent when
>someone is attacking him, and he'll land the kick, all right...but it
>just doesn't have any effect.  You hear this really weak "whap" sound
>and his opponent just keeps on coming and slams him.  The problem, as I
>see it, is that the reverse crescent is coming across the body, which 
>means it has limited usefulness in situations where someone is charging
>in towards you.  In that situation, a front leg side kick or turning
>side kick--a kick that goes directly towards your target--is stronger, 
>faster, and simpler...in other words, much more likely to work.  A spinning
>crescent is a different matter...that can be a very powerful kick indeed.
>It's scary to use, though, because you do it at very close range and it's
>kind of tricky.  Again, there are simpler and less error-prone alternatives.

Personally, I like the front-leg reverse crescent kick as a
sparring technique.  It takes a lot of practice to develop power
with this kick.  There are some unusually subtle (for TKD) body
dynamics going on here.  Typically, beginners try to throw it by
moving the entire leg as a unit.  Eventually you discover that
the only way to get power is to use a whip-like motion with the
muscle groups firing off sequentially rather than all at once. 
It also requires a lot of flexibility.  Also precise timing and
accuracy.  But, when it all comes together, you have an
excellent knockout technique.  If all you are getting with this
kick is a weak "whap" and an opponent who runs you over, you
might try 1) working on power, 2) stepping off the line of your
opponent's charge as you throw the kick so his momentum carries
him past (rather than into) you, 3) targeting the head.  Thrown
correctly, this kick should smack into the side of your charging
opponent's head with enough force to knock him out, or at least
stun him, so that and his charge vectors right into the mat.
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov
From: thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: T'ai Chi - not Hands Wave like Hands (re: crossing styles)
Keywords: T'ai Chi taiji
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:10:40 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.


In article <1992Sep24.164407.7148@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:
>In article <23636@sybase.sybase.com> thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:
>>>My question is: Can any one describe what it feels like to do a "hard"
>>>style 'in the T'ai Chi way?'
>
>>Frome the Tai Chi side: (among many other things) one practices
>>'getting rid of UNNECCESARY muscle tension' so that you train
>>only those parts of your body which are needed
>>(or as the CHinese would say, you get rid of your 'stupid strength'
>>(literal translation))..  when the time comes to use the
>>'hard' side of tai chi, like during a strike, you use only
>>what you need..  this coincides with the saying "internal arts
>>go from soft to hard"
>
>I seem to practice a very different sort of Taiji than you: I've
>never heard of "necessary" muscle tension (except the bare minimum
>needed to maintain the appropriate posture and structure.) 

well...  uh gee..  this bare minimum was JUST the "necessary"
tension I was referring to  :-)

>Even
>strikes do _not_ use muscle strength to cause damage. The whole 
>point is to "project energy" through your arm and into your opponent.
>The exact (physical) meaning of this isn't to clear, but I was tought
>that muscle tension of _any_ sort inhibits this and weakens "internal"
>strikes.

My current understanding of this is that any uneven distribution
of the tension acts as a blockage...  as some tension is required
to "hold" as posture, in this case the 'tension' should be even...
likewise, when projecting 'energy' from the buildup to the peak,
the body should feel very "even".....

geezz  this sounds nutty..  hope it makes some sense to somebody !


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 waste the best years of their lives on preparing for examinations.  If
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 be the new Heisenberg..."              - Freeman Dyson
From: gion@chopin.udel.edu (Timothy C. Gion)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: On Explaining Aikido
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:10:00 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <eric.t.zmarzly.1-290992200723@129.74.199.127> eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly) writes:
>try to explain Aikido.  I use such words as redirecting the attack, but
>that does not capture to sense of Aikido and Ki and all that weird stuff. 
>If I start speaking of such things, people get put off by it, as Notre Dame
>is extremely catholic and very conservative on such matters.  I am not sure

If you are worried about explaining ki, you might want to use the 'scientific'
explanantion... invisible energy that surrounds the universe... 


-- 
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From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: Taido/Hakamas
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:07:53 GMT


osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:

>	Hakama are a rather graceful article to wear, but they take some
>	getting used to since your feet can get quite caught up in them
>	if you do not know how to move int them.  Beginners commonly
>	fall on their faces is sometimes even tear their hakama by stepping
>	incorrectly.  The wearing enforces, to some degree, proper movement.
>	Moreover, it forces you to  PAY ATTENTION to your movement; something
>	very few of us do on a regular basis.


  Originally, of course, hakama were designed to hide a swordsman's
  footwork from their opponent's, or so they say.   I like the extra 
  weight they provide; it gives a nice additional tactile sensation of 
  gravity, i.e. the vertical, which helps one keep a proper upright
  posture --

   -- Ted --

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