From: osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek Osinski)
Subject: Re: Mother of All E.European lists (v.3)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:02:57 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Jul27.150217.12991@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> jjt@aristotle.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Jack Tuszynski) writes:
>This is being sent to s.c.p. but is also being forwarded to
>several other mail addresses
>
>Recently on PLEARN-L this appeared:
>
>>> "Ireneusz M. Smolewski" <POLWEA@PLUMCS11.BITNET> writes:
>>> I need advice on CISCO Routers IGS, AGS+. We are planning to
>>> buy somthing like that. What can the users say on them?
>>> Thank you for your attention.
>
>Daniel's response:
> 
>>Provided you need the capabilities these are fine products.
>>I have a few years experience with them and while their new
>>features sometimes need a while to shake out the base product
>>is solid. They integrate well in the Unix environment.
>>The bit about the new features is no big critisism because CISCO
>>often is the first vendor to include new things in their product.
> 
>>Also you should be aware of the fact that for many IP routing
>>problems there are cheaper (free software + PC) soloutions
>>available than CISCOs.
>> 
>>If you have specific questions, ask me directly.
>> 
>>Daniel
>
>Daniel,
>
>        You must understand one thing.  On soc.culture.polish, we have
>been discussing the internet connection to Poland.  Most have argued for
>it, some have argued against it.  The above suspicion you had was precisely
>the reason that I have argued against it.
>        The Cisco AGS is a $35,000 router.  It is used for FDDI networks.
>It has two FDDI connections.   High powered compute power.  You don't need
>it unless you have a network of very high powered workstations to 
>connect to.
>        What is a pidly university in Poland doing asking about AGS routers?
>You have to understand one thing.  This man is from Kielce.  The town is run 
>by a communist mafia kingpin named zaraska.  During the privitisation phase
>two years ago, zaraska managed to arrange swiss funds to buy his company,
>the biggest employer in town, and the biggest company on the Polish stock
>market today.  He has the bucks for CISCO's.  He has built a new modern
>communications center for the police department in Kielce.  He has outfited
>it with the latest communications equipment.  That probably means CISCO.
>        Your question is very valid.  What is a Polish university asking
>about such high powered routers on the network for?  The answer is it 
>probably isn't.  Someone else might be though.
>                                                            

Since Jacek does not give Daniel's e-mail address, I would like to ask 
those, who subscribe to PLEARN-L to provide Daniel's address on s.c.p.
Then those of us who feel it appropriate could write to Daniel, giving
him our opinion on the subject raised by Jacek.

Now questions directed to Jacek Tuszynski:

When you say:

>        You must understand one thing.  On soc.culture.polish, we have
>been discussing the internet connection to Poland.  Most have argued for
>it, some have argued against it.  
     ^^^^

who were those "some", other than yourself?

>The above suspicion you had was precisely
>the reason that I have argued against it.

I don't think, Jacek, that Daniel had any suspicion. You put your own
suspicions in his mouth.

>        What is a pidly university in Poland doing asking about AGS routers?
>You have to understand one thing.  This man is from Kielce.  

You are wrong, Jacek. "Ireneusz M. Smolewski" <POLWEA@PLUMCS11.BITNET> is
not in Kielce. But I'm not going to tell you where it is, try to
find out yourself. :-)

It would have been much more productive, Jacek, if you focused on
real links with ex-communists in Poland instead of the imaginary
ones. Here comes a real challenge for you:

Which American companies (banks?) invested money in Poland by depositing
it in Polish banks, thus drawing a huge profit? If you find answer to
this question, then you may become a real conqueror of communism.

Respectfully,

Marek Osinski