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From: judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller)
Subject: Re: "Fingerstyle" Guitarists
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:03:21 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:
> Okay, a few people share my natural distaste for the
> term "fingerstyle" guitarist, but it seems most on r.m.f
> don't seem to get it.  So, I will try to explain.
> 
> o Firstly, "fingerstyle" isn't a word.
> 
> o Whether one plays guitar with one's fingers, a flatpick, fingerpicks,
>   or just a brush strum is a matter of *technique*, not *style*.

Maybe no one cares anymore, but here's the Rolling Stone review that I
promised reprinted by Shannachie of two Shannachie albums:

begin quote

The Art of Fingerstyle Guitar ****
Flatpicking Guitar Festival   ***1/2

While country blues and ragtime call for dense finger-picking styles with 
thumping bass notes, bluegrass guitarists use flat picks to spin solos
fast enough to give most rock guitarists pause.  "Flatpicking Guitar Festival",
which includes performances by Doc Watson, Dan Crary and Dick Fegy, charts
the connections between Irish fiddle tunes and American bluegrass and confirms
that the best pickers have the kind of chops that would be welcome on 
anybody's bandstand.

Finger picking is mostly associated with American blues, folk and country
music, but European players often favor compositions with a more classical
flavor.  Of the seven guitarists represented on "The Art of Fingerstyle
Guitar", the best known are Bert Jansch and John Renbourn, from the origianl
Pentangle, but they're in remarkable company.  Particularly notable are 
Davey Graham, who influenced just about every European picker with his
1960 album "The Guitar Player", and Dave Evans, who opens the collection
with the dramatic "Stagefright" and evokes the title of his "Whistlin'
Miklman" with sprays of harmonic tones.

end quote

Judy
From: djw@hodgkin.mc.duke.edu (David Wendt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: John Michael Talbot ...
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:17:12 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.folk
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


Just a question re some past music.  there was a band out of Indiana (I believe)
which gained some notriaity in the late 60's.  The members included a couple of
brothers, (last name Talbot).  They appeared on Am bandstand - or its equivalent
- and had a couple of top 40 tunes.  I ran into John Michael Talbot in Crested B
utte in 1977 where he did an acoustic set -some nice work- and I lost track.
The next time I saw his name was on a religiously oriented solo album.
If anyone could help fill me in or update me, I'd appreciate it.
Also I recall from the same time period a song called Hangman- the refrain had
a section " Two hangmen haninging from a tree ..." again, the remainder is
buried in the caverns of a distant memory-- any help with this amnesia would be
appreciated.

                                Thanks,

                                                David
From: nelson@desktop.nsc.com (Taed Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Lucinda Williams -- Passionate Kisses
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:15:46 GMT
Organization: Applications Technology, National Semiconductor (Santa Clara, CA)

Basically, "Passionate Kisses" was my favorite song on the new Mary-Chapin
  Carpenter album, so I went out to buy a Lucinda Williams album on that
  alone.  The only one the store had was the EP entitled, of all things,
  _Passionate Kisses_.

I like the cover more, but the original is still pretty good.  But the other
  four songs were quite unlike the first -- something of a Cajun blues style,
  which I didn't like nearly as much.

So, should I try some other L.W. album, or is that one song unlike the
  majority of her work?

[Sorry if this has been discussed previously, but until recently, she was in
  my KILL file.]
From: dominic@onions.natcorp (Dominic Dunlop)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Fairport Convention - Ric Sanders injured
Summary: Bad news, bad news
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:01:02 GMT
Organization: British National Corpus, Oxford University, GB

In article <5971.9208120958@thor.cf.ac.uk> scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk
(Gordon Walker) writes:
> As the subject says, Ric Sanders has apparently injured his arm or
> something and can't play at the 25th anniversary festival

Coincidentally, there was a feature about Fairport in last weekend's
Guardian.  It said something pretty similar to ``Ric Sanders recently
almost severed his wrist by falling through a plate glass window late
one night.''  Sounds bad, particularly for a fiddle player, but I have
no further details.
-- 
Dominic Dunlop
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: Kanef@Charon.ARC.NASA.gov (Bob Kanefsky)
Subject: Re: Vega and Lavin: ever seen them together?
Organization: None
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:24:34 GMT

I wonder if Wendy made that mistake for the same reason that I overlooked
it when I read her post:  One of Christine Lavin's many wonderful songs
is "Mysterious Woman", where she's trying to emulate Suzanne Vega or someone
who writes equally weird music, but her mind keeps wandering back to her
refrigerator, which is in need of defrosting.  (A song within the song
starts "I think.  I hear.  I scream.  Melting, all over...")

Another way to tell the two apart: Christine takes you down to
a Santa Montica pier.  Suzanne takes you down to her place
down by the river...  :-)
From: dnmrt@interlan.Interlan.COM (Moe Turcotte)
Subject: Re: Button accordion info req
Organization: Racal InterLan, Inc., Boxborough, MA (1-800-LAN-TALK)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 18:15:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.170050.27238@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mpb@terminator.cc.umich.edu (MIke Brown) writes:
>I also got the button accordion bug about a year or so ago.
>I think there is a sound and style that goes along with the button
>accordion that you just don't get with the piano (that is until
>I heard Phil Cunningham!).  If you want to play in every key,
>typical irish accordions come with 2 rows, C and C# or D and D#,
>or some variant that makes playing all of the notes possible.  Other
>accordions available include 1 thru 5 rows, each row being a different
>key, with 1,2, and 3 row being the most common.  The keys of this
>type will probably be C, C/G, E/A/D, G/D, etc.  
>
>If you're buying used, check out the bellows, valves, and the reeds.
>As for books, etc.  . . . I've had a hard time finding useful information
>and an even worse time trying to find a teacher.  
>
>I own a Hohner Corona II, EAD.  This seems to be a good key to
>play Los Lobos or Jimmy Buffett, and some zydeco.

The defacto standard for Irish Button accordian is B/C tuning. This is a
two row instrument with the outside row in B and the inside row in C.
The usual instrument is a Paolo Soprani, usually in red mother-of-
toilet-seat. The gray ones from the 50's and 60's are highly prized.

One occasionally sees C#/D boxes, and I know of two players of D/C#, the
old Baldoni tuning. Stick with B/C. Newer brands are Bell, the new Soprani
(not quite as good as the old PS) and the Castignari (the trendiest button
accordian to have these days). Expect to pay $1000-$2000 for a new one.

I just found a 40's G/C/B Paolo Soprani. I am going to switch it around
to B/C/G and ignore the G row.

One more recommendation..... If you are on the east coast, spend a week
at the Augusta workshop during Irish week, with Billy McComisky. He is
a great teacher, both for beginners and advanced students. If you learn
from him, you are learning the correct Irish B/C method. Billy is a real
nice guy, too. The sort of person you would wan't for a next door neighbor.

Why is it that Irish Musicians are such personable people? I've met
a lot of musicians, but the Irish musicians, as a group, are the nicest.

Maurice R. Turcotte
dnmrt@interlan.com
From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Fingerstyle Guitarists? (was: Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitarist discographies)
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:04:41 GMT
	<BOWERS.92Aug11135104@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov>
	<oevtifk@twilight.wpd.sgi.com>
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.

In article <oevtifk@twilight.wpd.sgi.com> coolidge@speaker.wpd.sgi.com (Don Coolidge) writes:

>In article <BOWERS.92Aug11135104@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov>, bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers) writes:
>|> In article <16938mINNcsg@agate.berkeley.edu> spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:

>|> >Is it just me, or is there anybody else who absolutely
>|> >hates the phrase "fingerstyle guitarist"??  Is this
>|> >really accepted terminology?  *gack*

>|> Well, actually, John Fahey and John Stropes wrote quite a bit about
>|> how to describe this particular style of guitar.  John Fahey prefered
>|> American Primitive Guitar, and I've heard John Stropes refer to it as
>|> American Classical guitar.

>Well, Fahey's at least refers more to his lack of formal,
>classical training, not to the mechanics of his music - much
>as Grandma Moses' painting style showed her lack of formal
>training, but not whether or not her brushes had natural
>bristles. It's what you do, not the tool you use.

Well, in a way you _ARE_ describing her style.  She was a painter.
She was not a weaver or a scultor or a photographer.  As for the
dstintion in the choice of tool, I agree.  It doesn't matter whether
you use a flat top steel, or a nylon (or even a cat gut!) classical.

>|> >Nobody but me cringes at this label?

>|> Well, it is a bit of a mouthful, but I never found it _offensive_ or
>|> anything.  Perhaps you could clarify?  Or maybe suggest a _new_ label
>|> to call ourselves...

>Or how about simply "guitarists" - I know of no rule
>requiring use of a pick/plectrum. Shouldn't we claim
>that name back from those who need an extra tool before
>they can play?

Guitraists is a bit broad, don't you think?  I mean you'll get
everyone from Stanley Jordan to Eddie Van Halen to Leo Kottke to
Sabicas to Segovia in there.  I _like_ the idea of distinction in the
style, Acoustic Finger Style, but we need a more precise word for it.

Classical Folk?

I dunno...

--
"Time is simply the illusion of the passing of history, and history is
simply the illusion of the passing of time..."
                                -The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Iaido   Takamine   Hobie   Rossignol   Alfa GTV6  Ducati MHR(DOD #900)
From: stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin)
Subject: tour schedules
Organization: AUS
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:27:16 GMT

Over the weekend I received a flyer from Green Linnet. A couple of tour
schedules were posted - for the Tannahill Weavers, and one for Kevin Burke
and Johnny Cunningham (there IS a God). If anyone is interested, I will be
glad to post the schedule.

I can't believe it - I may get to see Burke again.


Stacey Martin
From: dragel@sqhilton.pc.cs.cmu.edu (Cheryl Dragel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Lucinda Williams
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:13:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: dragel@sqhilton.pc.cs.cmu.edu

In article <1992Aug21.205153.27135@news.eng.convex.com> roan@convex.com  
(Russell Roan) writes:
> 
> 	There was a great interview with Lucinda Williams this morning
> (8/21/92) on Morning Edition (National Public Radio).  Evidently
> she will be releasing an album ( _Sweet Old World_) next week.  This will 
> be her first since 1988's _Lucinda Williams_.
Russ,
I just heard the title cut of Lucinda's new album
played on WYEP here in Pittsburgh this week.  I'll
be lining up to get _Sweet Old World_, too.

--cheryl
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
From: laurie@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Laurie Fleming)
Subject: Re: The essential Celtic recordings?
Organization: The Cave MegaBBS, Public Access Usenet, Wellington, NZ
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 00:26:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.120912.14740@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> mongoose@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Conrad Leviston) writes:
>	Other than Clannad, The Cheiftans etc., I would highly recommend
>Allen Stivell. He is a Breton artist who mixes traditional and modern
>instruments. Well worth a listen, even if he does sing in French (horrid
>language that).
>
>-- 
>Conrad Leviston	 | Got to find a brightness in the soul,
>mongoose@yoyo.	 | Not look outside to find out where we are,
>cc.monash.edu.au | Otherwise you won't be satisfied, 
>Save the gherkin | 'Til you've made posession of the stars. (K.Wallinger)

On all the albums I have by Alain Stivell, he sings in Breton and
other Celtic languages. He tends to eschew French, championing rather
his kin in the other Celtic regions.
From: watson@hg.uleth.ca (The terror that flaps in the night)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Edmonton Folk Music Festival Summary
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:53:13 GMT
Reply-To: watson@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge

With love from mom...  :)

Here was the line-up from last weekend's Edmonton Folk Music Festival (in alpha
order):

3 Dead Trolls in a Baggie
Pat Alger
Dave Alvin
O.J. Anderson
Apurimac
Dan Ar Braz
Arcady (with Jackie and Johnny from De Dannan!)
The Bhundu Boys
Bourne and Macleod
David Broza
Meryn Cadell
Cindy Church and Nathan Tinkham
Edward II
David Essig
Four Bitchin' Babes
Lennie Gallant
Amos Garrett and the Festival House Band (Bohdan Hluszdo, Kit Johnson, Ron
    Casat and Rusty Reed)
Dick Gaughan
The Hard Rock Miners
Judy and Steve Hansen
Jane Hawley
The Holmes Brothers
Jackson Delta
Tom Jackson, Shingoose, Dave Cramer
Paul Ubana Jones
Alias Ron Kavana
Laurie Lewis & the Grant Street Band
David Lindley and Ry Cooder
Robert Jr. Lockwood (Robert Johnson's adopted son)
Oscar Lopen
Charlie Louvin & Charles Whitstein
Manigance
Thomas Mapfumo & the Blacks Unlimited
Mark Koenig Trio
Mike McDonald
Eileen McGann
Kate & Anna McGarrigle
Tommy McGinty
Tony Michael
Lynn Miles
Cathy Miller
Pete Morton
Geoff Muldaur
Maria Muldaur
Open Mind
Colleen Peterson
Lionel Rault
Red Thunder Cultural Society
Karl Roth
Tom Russell
Leslie Shatz
Peggy Seeger & Irene Scott
The Seldom Scene
Al Simmons
Martin & Jessica Simpson
Watson Smarch
Chris Smither
Toots and the Maytals
Triple Threat
Lucinda Williams
Kathleen Yearwood

Really Memorable Performances:
------------------------------
Arcady - one of the most exciting new Irish bands to emerge in the last 10
         years
Bourne and Macleod - unique and creative traditional country/celtic blues
Edward II - mutant calypso/reggae/african-style english dance music
    (Franken-reggae!)
Alias Ron Kavana - best folk/roots fusion band ever
David Lindley and Ry Cooder - maverick guitarists with the utmost in energy, 
    enthusiasm and skill (their percussionist, Hani Naser, was also awesome)
Chris Smither - one-man hurricane of rock-tinged blues and folk

Memorable Performances:
-----------------------
O.J. Anderson - comedy, mime and music
The Bhundu Boys - Zimbabwean DiscAfrique sounds
Christine Lavin - caustic wit and charming absurdity
The Hard Rock Miners - folk rock, harmonized trad and cowpoke country jammin'
Dick Gaughan - superb voice and guitar work (Scottish trad)
Jackson Delta - Canadian blues/roots
Laurie Lewis and the Grant Street Band - bluegrass and soaring harmonies
Oscar Lopez - Latin Jazz fusion guitar
Red Thunder Cultural Society - Native Dance Theatre
Martin Simpson - a guitar player's guitarist

- Lorraine,
  Mother of Carol

Thanks, mom...

- Carol (now who said us Canooks have no cul-cha??)  ;)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: clive@mcc.com (Clive Dawson)
Subject: Re: need info New Orleans area
Keywords: New Orleans music clubs
Organization: MCC, Austin, TX
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 08:15:26 GMT

In article <wc7m2-k.eamon@netcom.com> eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart) writes:
>wnwrig@bb1t.monsanto.com writes:
>
>>Greetings all
>>
>>I am going to be in New Orleans for the first time from 8/20 thru 8/24
>>Does anyone recommend and clubs down there or know of any shows that
>>will be in that area at the time.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Walter
>
>  [long, informative message by Chuck deleted]

Walter, as a non-native I can't possibly hope to match Chuck's message,
but let me just say that if you like Irish music, don't fail to visit
O'Flaherty's Irish Channel Pub at 514 Toulouse St. in the French Quarter.
You can probably call them at (504) 529-1317 to find out who's playing
on the dates you're planning to visit.

The rest of this message deals with a group called The Celtic Folk
which deserves to be more well-known than it apparently is.

Several years ago I visited N.O. and heard The Celtic Folk perform at
Ryan's Irish Pub.  A group of us were bar hopping down Bourbon Street
and we hit Ryan's at about 8PM.  I sat down to listen and became
completely entranced.  Next thing I knew, it was 2AM and the place was
closing up.  The group I was with had left several hours before after
giving up on trying to get me to join them.  Anyway, I bought every
tape they had and have been a fan ever since.  At that time the group
consisted of the brothers Danny and Patrick O'Flaherty and Noel Nash.
About 3 years ago, Danny opened his own pub, O'Flaherty's, which is
the new home for the Celtic Folk.  Noel Nash has left the group at
this point, but I saw him perform on his own there the last time I was
in N.O.  A new member of the group is Robin James-Jones, and I believe
that Betsy McGovern performs with them regularly as well.

They are incredible musicians, and they do a great job of mining
the rich lode of Irish pub balladry.  But what impresses me most is
how, in addition to continually producing new material based on their
native Ireland, they've made the effort to learn about and then sing
about events and folklore from their adopted home, the U.S.  For
example, Danny wrote "Voyage of the Asgard II" to commemorate the
Irish tall ship's visit to the St. Brendan festival in Annapolis in
1985.  He wrote "Dowling's Victory" which tells about a local
Irishman's involvement in the Battle of Sabine Pass in Texas during
the Civil War.  In "The 8th of September and After", Danny & Patrick
tell the story of the great Galveston hurricane of 1900 which killed
6000 people, and of the efforts to rebuild the city afterwards.  These
are all really good songs.

I've rarely seen any of their material available in record stores,
though I imagine New Orleans stores probably carry them.  Best bet is
to call or write O'Flaherty's and ask for a catalog.  I'd recommend
"Ride the Waves" as well as any of the three "Live at O'Flaherty's"
albums.  Older albums include "Looking West" (hard to find), "Rainbow
Flight" and "Live on Bourbon Street".

Cheers,

Clive Dawson
MCC
Austin, TX
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: oprwarx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Walter A. Rich)
Subject: Can someone tell me about "The Roches".
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:02:44 GMT


I've got free tickets.  Are they folk at all?  What kind of music do they 
play?  Three women?  Anything about them would be appreciated.



walter
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Ann Mortifee again (was: Re: Annie Haslam, Loreena McKennit)
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:52:15 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <MARTIN.92Aug12230532@lyra.cis.umassd.edu> martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin) writes:
|
|   Steeleye Span: Parcel of Rogues
|   Pentangle: Basket of Light
|   Connie Caldor:  anything 
|These are available from Andy's Front Hall, PO Box 307, Voorheesville, NY
|12186  (Info: 518-765-4193  Orders: 800-759-1775  Fax: 518-765-4193
|BTW, look for Connie Kaldor in the 'K' bin, not the 'C' bin.  (I always
|get that wrong, too.

Hmmm.  I actually have it written down in my daytimer as Kaldor. Don't know
why I typed it with a "C".  Thanks for the additional address.  I got a
pretty good list of mail order places from someone else and don't think that
one was on there.

|   Connie Dover:
|Somebody is available for $16 postpaid from Taylor Park Music, PO Box 12381,
|N. Kansas City, MO  64116-0381
 
Again, another one to add to my list.

|   Judy Mayhan
|Never heard of her.
 
I had never heard of her either, it was a recommendation from a friend.

I also wanted to comment on what I *did* find that day.  As I said I picked
up Maura O'Connell's "Helpless Heart".  Someone else told me awhile back
that it was a little too "country" for them and I can see how they might
have that impression.  A banjo is featured on the first cut and a fiddle
is used on several cuts.  What I didn't realize at first was that the
banjo player was none other that Bela Fleck.  In fact Bela plays acoustic
guitar on almost every cut.  The rest of the list of backup musicians is
also pretty impressive.  Mark O'Conner plays bass on almost every cut (yes,
bass).  He also plays guitar on at least one.  David Grisman plays mandolin
on a cut and Jerry Douglas plays Dobro on a couple.  Other musicians include
Nanci Griffith, John Jarvis, Stuart Duncan and Bob Matar.

-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
+============================================================================++
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: INFO REQUEST: New fairport boxed set
From: kaplan4@husc10.harvard.edu (Merrill Kaplan)
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:38:02 GMT

wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:

>If anyone out there has purchased the new "Fairport Convention
>25th Anniverary Pack" that Island records just released in the UK,
>can you please post a review?

>Thanks,

>Anil Prasad
>wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca

Anyone know when this is due stateside?

Merrill Kaplan
kaplan4@husc.harvard.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Subject: Re: Davy Spillane
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 07:32:30 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Some label info on the recordings
Distribution: rec.music.folk
Keywords: Spillane O'Flynn recordings

Dave Musgrave writes:

>I am looking for the label and distributor of any CD's by Davy
>Spillane or Liam O'Flynn.  Both of them play the uilleann pipes.  The
>music stores up here have no mention of them in their distributors'
>catalogs.

Dave, all of Davy Spillane's solo recordings are on the Tara label in
Ireland.  The titles are ATLANTIC BRIDGE, OUT OF THE AIR, SHADOW HUNTER
and PIPEDREAMS.  His best recordings with Moving Hearts are readily
available in the US through Green Linnet Records, 43 Beaver Brook Road,
Danbury CT 06810.  I have a sneaking suspicion that either Rounder or Ryko
will be licensing his Tara solo recordings for US distribution, but I'm
not sure.  (All of them are brilliant, BTW)  He's also done oodles of
session recordings for people like Kate Bush and Elvis Costello.

Liam O'Flynn's work with Planxty should all still be available on
Shanachie; AFTER THE BREAK was just released domestically, but I forget
the label.  He has also done myriad sessions, most notably in the
orchestral works of Shaun Davey (THE BRENDAN VOYAGE, GRANUAILE, THE
PILGRIM), and even soundtrack work (CAL, by mark Knopfler).  He has one
solo album out on his own label (I think), simply called LIAM O'FLYNN, and
I'm not sure of the distributor -- perhaps Gael-Linn.  There's a new one
out any day now in Ireland, called THE FINE ART OF PIPING.  It's
completely unaccompanied, and it's brilliant.  I also hear that Liam is
about to record an album with Matt Molloy and Sean Keane!

Hope this is helpful ... if you need to know more, let me know and I can
do some digging.

 -- Chuck


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  Charles Eamon Taggart   |   eamont@well.sf.ca.us   |  "The rain in Spain 
     eamon@netcom.com     |     GEnie: C.TAGGART     |  falls mainly on me."
 Santa Monica, California |                          |  -- Toasted Heretic
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