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From:         SHEILA <SHROSE@SJUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: autism and antibiotics

Dear Serge and others:
              RE: Antibiotics and the onset of Autism (at least in the
                  literature)

              Its interesting that you note this; I have half joking told
my teacher trainees that LD appeared after antibiotics and that now we are
saving many more of the babies that would have died or been vegetables. In
fact it is my usual response to "why do we have so many more LD kids today?"
Certainly, we have far more 2lb babies that live to be placed in our main-
stream classes.  My experience with the premies is that they display some
significant drop in ability to cpe at about the tenth grade level when  the
competition seems to build.  What kind of follow up studies do we have on this
population?
           Thanks Serge|
Sheila Rosenberg  Saint John's University
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From:         "Norval Smith (UVAALF::NSMITH)" <NSMITH@ALF.LET.UVA.NL>
Subject:      Message re Linguists' Nameserver
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MESSAGE FROM THE LINGUISTS' NAMESERVER

As many of you will know, for the last two years or so a Nameserver for
Linguists, Psycholinguists, Phoneticians, Computer Linguists and other
workers in the Language and Speech Sciences has been available at
LINGUISTS@ALF.LET.UVA.NL.
        There are now about 6500 addresses in the database, representing
the e-mail addresses of about 4000 persons and institutions. In addition
we have recently started recording the FAX addresses of institutions.
        Obviously a list such as this is subject to rapid degradation in
quality, as people shift from one institution to another, computer systems
are altered and so on. To ensure that the list remains up to date, and
reasonably complete, we rely on the cooperation of the people on the list itself
to inform us of changes to their own e-mail addresses and those of others.
        There are some kind souls who keep us up to date on all the relevant
people at their own institutions, or the people they are regularly in contact
with, but in general we rely on individuals to tell us about their own
addresses.
        This is a reminder to people who have changed e-mail addresses in the
last year to tell us about this, and to others who did not know of our
existence to provide us with their addresses. If your address is in the list
incorrectly, it may well cause delay to people who want to contact you.
        This message is being sent to all the language-related discussion
groups we know of, plus the local distribution relay addresses of the
LINGUIST discussion list. This may mean that you get this message two or more
times. Try not to get irritated with us.
        To check whether your name is on our list, send the message (subject
line irrelevant):

list SURNAME
(replace SURNAME with your own surname)

to:
linguists@alf.let.uva.nl

You should then get back the entry if any which the Nameserver has for you.
        If the entry is wrong you have to REMOVE the wrong entry, and ADD the
correct one. Let us say the wrong entry is:

        william carmichael: carm@sun202.ptmoresby.pg

and you want to replace it with:

        william j carmichael: wjc@marriage-buro.reno.nv.us

Then you require to send the following instructions:

remove carmichael, william: carm@sun202.ptmoresby.pg
add carmichael, william j: wjc@marriage-buro.reno.nv.us

Your entry will now be correct.

NB. There is a help message. To get it send:

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Norval Smith
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University of Amsterdam
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:34:42 EDT
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From:         Anne Pemberton <apembert@VDOE386.VAK12ED.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Losing speech. (fwd)
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Wrote the following Jul 23, but posted it to Michael Peirce
instead of the whole list.  Comments???
Anne


T explanations by Michael Pierce and others that *some*
autistic children have/learn speech, then lose it could reverse
the decision of hospitalization carriers to not cover speech
therapy. If the child has speech before the onset of autistic
symptoms/characteristics, it seems that coverage forherapies
could be provided because it *now* fits the definition of
"medically necessary".

Anne Pemberton
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:01:09 PST
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From:         Michael Peirce <peirce%outpost.SF-Bay.org@HARVUNXW.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Losing speech.

In Regards to your letter <9207230048.AA17160@talcott.harvard.edu>:
> Michael,
>
> You mentioned that David acquired 20 to 30 words before he lost speech. At wha
 t
> age did this happen? Was the loss possibly precipitated by some traumatic
> experience? I ask these questions because a similar thing occurred with Helen.


Kathleen tells me it was a very gradual thing (I wasn't around at
that point).  Around 22 months they started to notice "something"
and at his two year checkup they talked to the doctor and eventually
realized that David was autistic.  He said his last word ("juice")
around 28 months old.  Kathleen says that only in hindsight did they
notice the language slipping away.

The only sounds David makes now are vowel sounds, primarily eeeeeeeee.

That's one of the reasons that FC is so exciting.  Its his only expressive
language beyond pointing to things.  It's go generalizable too.  We
tried picture boards and he never got beyond consistently using a
couple at a time.  He'd learn new ones, but lose old ones.

What is also great is that it unlocks our understanding of his receptive
language.  He's doing very well at reading at school - just plowing
through a computer based reading system they are using with him (he
seems to get board with some of the lessons so they skip ahead).

We know he picks up on lots of things said around him.  His sister
was going away with her Dad to visit her Grandma.  He wasn't going
and told us he wanted to go and he was mad at his Dad for not taking
him.

He also seems to have some basic number skills down too.  He can add very
well and so some subtraction.

David and I have a way of "reading books together".  I sit with him
and hold his hand.  I read the words aloud and he points to the
word as we go along.  He seems to like this.

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Date:         Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:32:40 EDT
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From:         Daniel Mont <D6M@CORNELLA.BITNET>
Subject:      Where's Jim?

I have been a little concerned about the whereabouts of Jim Sinclair on
this list.  He used to write in quite a bit -- and I always enjoyed his
postings and found them thought provoking.  However, as most of you
are aware he also has at times been in trouble and need of assistance.

It might be that he is on vacation, or that he is tired of writing, or
he is tired of this network. But does anybody know this for sure?  If
he's not OK do any of you out there know him personally and so can check?
His sudden departure from this list has me concerned.

Dan M.
d6m@cornella
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:27:00 EDT
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From:         IP15217@PORTLAND.BITNET
Subject:      FC Skeptics

To the group.... sorry about the last message.  the quote or summary should hav
e been at the beginning of the file.  One of these days I'll get this mailer
figured out
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:32:05 -0400
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From:         FARBER_R@SPCVXA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: FC Skeptics

I believe it is the vestibular system which is stimulated by
these types of rocking and rolling activities done by a trained
occupational therapist,I have seen children who have undergone
such therapy become calmer,more focused and more willing to learn
directly after a session.One O.T. used this technique and was convinced
(as was I)of it's positive results.The O.T. our school presently
employs doesn't use it and really wasn't all that familiar with
 it when I asked her if she thought it was an effective therapy
for some children in my class.
Experience and training seem to have a bearing on its use.
Does anyone have any references on this technique and how
it can be used in the classroom?
P.S.Glad to see that there's still some life out there !!!
Rosanne
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              23 Jul 1992 18:12:31 PDT from <ungierl@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>

Leon,
    Does your son use both languages also?  My daughter went to school last
year at a school that they call a Magnet School. These are schools with some
specialy field. This particular one was a language magnet.  I thought it
sounded rediculous to make everyone learn a foreign language regardless of
their abilities, but it was the rule.  My daughter started attending a
Spanish Class with a typical class.  What really astounded me was even though
my daughter's use of English was restricted to some degree, thought learning
Spanish was neat.  She started coming home with little Spanish phrases.  At
first we didn't know what it meant and then a couple of times when I was
bringing her into school I ran into her Spanish Teacher and she told us some
of the things that she was teaching and it was alot of what my daughter was
repeating.  We also later found out that she did indeed understand their
meaning also.  It realy floored us, when we thought it would be a wasted
learning time, a nice social mainstreaming time, but I really didn't expect
her to pick up Spanish.  Sometimes we get pleasant surprises.

Thanks,
Ray Kopp
Syracuse, New York
Internet:rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:31:00 +1000
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From:         LNCJB@CC.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Photographs.
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An email friend has a birthday later this month and she requested a photograph
of me when I asked what she would like from Aus. We are all lousy photographers
here so I decided to spend a few dollars and have some taken by a professional.
My appointment was this morning, but as I mentioned in my previous post, Helen
was off school so I had to take her with me and of course decided to get some
of her on her own and with me as well while we were there.

Now I know what Donna Williams in her book and Jim were referring to about
the vacant stare of the autistic child. Fortunately the first lot of photos
didn't come out properly (there was some problem with the camera) and Helen
was more 'with it' on the second lot......because of the camera problems
and the 'inconvenience' I was caused I was given a lot more than I was required
to pay for. I wasn't able to get hold of the first set though, which is a pity
for they provide definite proof that Helen is not a 'normal' child.

Carolyn
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Michael,

Your experience with Davide sounds like a condensed version of what
happened to us over a period of years with our son, Karl. We found that,
although he seemed to block out communication with people, he carried on a
very lively conversation with a computer which had a voice synthesizer. He
quickly learned the keyboard so he could make the computer do things (he
looked for, and often found, ways to get the program out of synch so what
the voice said did not correspond to what was on the screen) and would
talk back to the computer as to a person. If anyone is interested in
observing this, I made a video tape of him using the computer. it is
available for rental from the University of Washington Instructional Media
Services, University of Washington DG-10, Seattle, WA 98195 phone (206)
543-9909. (No, I don't get a royalty on this, a professor asked if he
could make the tape to show to a conference of speech therapists.)

Your comments on David wanting to spin on your chair really intrigued me.
Our son would spend hours at a time on a rocking horse. The speech
therapist at our school loaned us a book describing a syndrome whose name
escapes me. It had to do with the need to stimulate the fluids in the
glands, etc. Children who appeared to have severe learning problems were
first given several minutes of "play" on a device which allowed them to
spin and move in all directions. After that, they made far greater
progress in a therapy session than they did without the spinning.
Has anyone else had any experience with the spinning as therapy? It was
very odd that at about age 5 (I think), our son lost all interest in
rocking horses or anything similar.

As an epilogue, I will add that Karl is now 16, competes on a neighborhood
swim team, and has completed all the requirements for Eagle Scout (with no
allowance made for his handicap). He still has lots of problems, and we
send him to a very small private school, but this is a far cry from the
prognosis we were given at age 3 when we were told he might spend his life
in an institution. Hang in there!

Tom Bennett
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Subject:      Re: Losing speech.
              23 Jul 1992 10:44:00 +1000 from <LNCJB@CC.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU>

Carolyn,
    Helen's loss of speach didn't sound familiar to me, in my own experiences
that is.  In some cases, like someone I know and in the book "The
Seige" people remark about their children doing something then losing it
just like they never had it.  I can't remember anything my daughter did
like this, although she has shown interest in many things and then seemed
to drop it, but it seems different than what you and others have expressed.
    There is something else too though that I have always wondered about.
It often has been said that Autism usually appears early in age usually
within the first 2 years.  I beleive I have heard of some exceptions to
this, but it does seem to be a trend.  What I wonder about though is if
most people feel that things are going right for a certain length of
time and then things seem to get more difficult.  For us it seems like
birth to about 4 months seemed to be OK but then after that things began
getting difficult, more crying, first time milestones were not being met.
Before that everything "felt" quite right or normal (not that we had a lot
of experience, Shawna was our first!, but I am one of 9 kids).
   When they say that it appears, do the professionals think it was there
and that was the first signs showed up or do they think that it actually
started then?

Thanks,
Ray Kopp
Syracuse, New York
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:03:48 CDT
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From:         bill@IHPDS1.ATT.COM
Subject:      Re: Losing speech. (fwd)

In my search for how to get my insurance to cover speech
(unsuccessful but still trying) I also was told that "lost"
speech due to illness or injury (autism should qualify)
is covered.

Anyone who has an autistic child with speech should get it
documented, so that a loss of speech can be proven if it
occurs. Otherwise the insurance company will probably try
to weasel out of it.

BTW, the AMA guidelines on a minimum adequate health plan
tosses autistic children to the wind. I called them and
was told that the minimum adequate program does not include
outpatient therapy of any sort nor outpatient prescription
drugs. It made me upset that these guidelines were set
because of "economies" and needing to set guidelines that
were affordable to businesses. Alot of explanations were
based on these arguments, and not once was the patient's
needs mentioned. With the way health costs are going, I
expect most insurance plans to start gravitating to the
minimum levels quickly. After all, the AMA says it's OK,
right? :-(

Disgusted,
Bill Duncan
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Subject: Re: FWD: ONLINE ACCESS TO CONGRESSIONAL INFORMATION

Are items such as that submitted by James Love really what Psycgrad is for?
-Just a question.
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
    Matthew (and others, if interested):
    Before my move West, only 3 people (Debbie, Wade, and Steve) plus myself
had expressed a serious interest in buying Endnote.  The rest of the letters
sent to Psycgard were requests for information.
    We do need 6 people to get the discount price, so I want to encourage
anyone else that might be interested in buying it as a group (and
Debbie, Wade, and Steve, if you're still out there!) to get in touch with me.
        Nangel
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:45:05 EDT
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From:         "Matthew Simpson" <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Stress Moderation
              29 Jul 1992 14:28:52 -0400 from
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On Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:28:52 -0400 <jdaniels%unlcdc2.bitnet@UTCS.UTORONTO.CA> sa
>    Forgive me if I am bringing up old stuff, but I haven't logged onto
>the Net for quite some time.  I read Chris' comments (from KU) to
>Matthew about physiological reactions to stress.  Seems that we have
>run into the same impasse that we run into frequently on this Net:
>the physiologists and the psychologists.  Certainly we can measure

For the record...
If Chris is the psychologist, because he uses personality variables,
would I be the physiologist because I'm looking at physiological
variables?  I'll argue against that idea.  We are both psychologists.
He is looking at personality.  I am looking at visceral learning
and habit formation.  I would not think of these variables as
merely physiological.

I agree with everything else you say, Jeff.  A holistic view is
very useful.  (Every view is useful for that matter.)  I should
say, a holistic view is useful for the clinician to address
many facets of a problem, eg. Post Traumatic Stress.

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Please stop my psycgrad mail from 7/30 to 8/16.  Hope this works.
Thanks.
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Subject:      House Bill re: Grad. Sudents

From:   IN%"akt@UNIXHUB.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU" 15-JUL-1992 22:38:43.64
To:     IN%"wayland@northeastern.edu"
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Subj:   TAX stuff

        This note is of interest to ALL graduate students across the
U.S.  If you feel that your stipend is an insult as it is without the
added insult of federal and state taxes taking even more then NOW is
the time to speak out.  There is a bill that is being brought before
the U.S. House of Representatives about the restoration of the
TAX-EXEMPT status we as graduate students used to enjoy (prior to the
Reagan-Bush administrations). This bill would also return paid taxes
that we have paid from 1986 on. NOW IS THE TIME TO USE YOUR ELECTED
OFFICIALS AS A TOOL...CALL YOUR LOCAL REP. AND TELL HER/HIM THAT THIS
BILL MUST BE SUPPORTED AND MUST PASS THE HOUSE!!! Believe it or not
they might listen. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHO YOUR REP. IS CALL THIS # 1
(800) 347-1997

THE BILL IS H.R. 4418. It was introduced by Tom Lewis (R-FL)

        ACT NOW OR THE CHANCE FOR CHANGE *WILL* PASS.

                any questions?   write to me via e-mail
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