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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: boobs
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 10:30:26 GMT


In article <1992Sep2.032737.21750@henson.cc.wwu.edu>
n8442349@henson.cc.wwu.edu (The Matriarch) writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.225731.16509@macc.wisc.edu> 
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>Why Gretchen!  The best of these are obviously quipped
>>cream.  But leche that I am, I was wondering if all these
>>homogeinus dairy airs might find a mutually satisfying way to
>>get laited.  I think we're a latto.

>>If moosic be the food of love, plait on!

>So bossy!  Such ungulent behaviour would put even a cud to
>shame!

We'd better kick this bucket, Elsie I won't know what to say
next.  Each turn makes its predecessor pail, as we try to teats
out a sillier pun.  Well, we could start a dairy pinup
magazine, Playcow, to be run by Huge Heifer.  This would
soon freshen into a competition with the rival Milkhouse,
though newcomers don't stanchion a chance in the moogazine
biz.  But no reason not to milker for all she's worth.
Well, poopsie, gotta run now.


>- I am the electric messiah - the AC/DC _GOD_

I liked this .sig, too!

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth)(was Re: new queer terminolog
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 19:01:11 GMT


In article <71727@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew
Melmon) writes:

>katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:

Melmac the microbrain:

>>> We're going to bury you.  

>>It's also ironic that Mr.  "Voting for Reagan makes me
>>superior" Melonhead is quoting Nikita Kruschev.  But then,
>>with the obvious ignorance of history Melonhead has so far
>>displayed, I'm sure he thinks he's being both original and
>>clever.

Quite wrong on the last point, dear Kathy: doesn't
think at all, not even a little bit.

>Why, golly, Katherine - I thought I was quoting _Sting_...

Hell, he's so dumb neutrinos *speed up* on the way through
his brain!

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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Ball Snaps and Calla Lillies, and a game.
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:45:00 GMT

> pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:

>[2] In the film, Katheryn Hepburn gets a part in a play (called something
>    like "Enchanted April") and her first line on stage is "The calla
>    lillies are in bloom again. I wore them on my wedding day..."
>    Now, this line is from "Long Days Journey into Night," isn't it?
>    Well, that film was made long after "Stage Door," so I'm a little
>    confused about chronology. I can't believe Tenessee Williams would
>    lift a line from "Stage Door," so is it the other way around?  And
>    is it just coincidence that Katheryn Hepburn was later to get that
>    same line in "Long Days Journey"?

Tennessee Williams would *never* lift a line from "Stage Door."
Eugene O'Neill might, but didn't in this case. :-)

*Such* a strange flower...
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From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sim? status?
Summary: Anyone hear anything yet?!
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:46:48 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Has anyone heard from Sim yet?  It's Wednesday morning, and I'm
getting quite concerned about the lack of information, and absence of
contact with him and Daivd.  I really hope all is well.  Perhaps he
just doesn't have computer access, but I really wish he'd call
someone.  Any information from ANYONE would be very much appreciated.

Thanks.

Bil Gonzalez
bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Geography (was Re: Guess my age and win a valuable prize!)
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:31:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug25.203131.7294
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug25.084744.18757@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>One of the neatest things about visiting Portland was realizing how
>easy it is out there. ... There's just no competition out there.  No
>wonder so many of us hardcore Easterners prefer it.

No wonder so many of us hardcore Pacific Northwesterners like it here,
too.

And no wonder so many of us hardcore Pacific Northwesterners don't
like it when Easterners, or even worse, Californians, move here.

I think we can give Mara and Marty an exemption, though.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/    The look in his eyes when it hit - kid, it was tasty...
From: hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:54:59 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Aug27.224324.1405@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes
in response to Sargon the Wretched Butch (drivel deleted):

>Hey, Boob, just because *you* live in a World Without Women
>(how utterly masc.!) doesn't mean that the rest of us do.
>What, pray tell, is open-minded about denying our existence?
>
>Masc. men make me a happy homo!

   Well, masc. men don't bother me, it's the ones that *flaunt* it.

   Wayne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Not necessarily Christian
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:00:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University Medical Center

In article <1992Aug31.175814.14898@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess
Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <5001@news.duke.edu> John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
>writes:
> 
>[credentials galore, amounting, it seems, virtually to a credo]

Okay Jess, what do you mean by a credo in this context.  The credentials were
in response to a post of yours (again conveniently deleted)

{ He has yet to convince the
>congregations concerned of his fitness to be ordained.}

Convincing the congregations of my fitness to be ordained is not the way in
which we look at ordination or fitness to minister. 

It should be noted that the one area in which my fitness to minister has been
attacked has been because of my being homosexual.  So if I'm a little touchy
about the "fitness" thing, I would hope you would understand that often a
homosexual person, much like a woman or a black person has to be and show
over-competence.

>
>>Without a doubt I have much to learn.  
>
>Humility might be a good starting place.

What in hell's name is this supposed to mean?  Does humbleness mean that I can
have no views that are controversial or different from yours?  Does it mean I'm
supposed to doubt myself all the time?  Sorry, I reject that idea.  Humbleness
is being open to change and admitting I have much to learn, something I'm
always willing to do.  You have never shown much in the way of humbleness. 
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  
>
>>I would not be doing an internship or studying at Duke if I
>>thought I knew everything there was that needed to be known.
>>But my "fitness" is not an issue.
>
>Pride goeth before a fall.

I've got experience, people find me competent.  I make mistakes, so.  To
paraphrase Whitman, Do I have pride?  Very well, then I have pride, and doubt. 
I am vast, I contain multitudes.  

John Allan Graves
Unitarian Universalist Minister

BTW even if I weren't working as a paid minister our theological understanding
is that we are all ministers, each to each other.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:02:36 GMT

In <1992Aug27.193239.13588@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>Further proof that gay groupthink is alive and well on soc.motss comes
>from Arne (who else?):

Give it a rest, Bob.  Better yet: Give it a rest, *all* of you.

(I swear, if this newsgroup is supposed to be an example of mature adults
posting....  No wonder I feel at home here, considering I wouldn't dream of
calling myself mature....  8-)


>(orr)
>> In fact, we have a group in Grand Rapids that is supportive in nature
>> for gays in their teens.  One of the rules, however, is that you cannot
>> refer to each other using feminine pronouns.  I like that a lot.
>(adolphso)
>/Overheard at the Grand Rapids supportive in nature gay teen group:
>/"Did you see Sarah today?"
>/"He's *soooo* fine.  So why does he hang around with
>/ that asshole Melissa?"
>/"I *hate* Melissa -- he thinks he's such hot shit."

This one's to Arne: What's the problem?  Worried because some of us don't
do the genderfuck thing?  8-)

Personally, I *hate* using female terms to refer to males.  *Hate* it.  And
I think it's considerably insulting to have someone ue them on me.

>What's the problem, Arne?  I thought you and the other "enlightened
>masters" of soc.motss were so open-minded. 

Now, now, Bob, aren't you jumping to a few conclusions here...?

>Orr didn't say that he thought *you* should follow the Grand Rapids 
>example; he merely stated that *he* liked it.

Makes sense to me.  Seems like half the gays I've met who do this genderfuck
stuff have more trouble with their gender identities than with their sexual
orientation--as if treating the other males like women makes everything
better.

Silly.... It's just silly....

>Seems like you now want to dictate what other people like, even when
>they aren't recommending the same thing for you.

Hold it; time out.  Maybe Arne's joking here.  (I *hope* Arne's joking
here....)

>Could it be you are all just a bunch of hypocrites who preach tolerance
>but actively silence or ridicule anyone who disagrees with you?

Could it be that Bob Sarver has no sense of humor?  NNNNNNOOOOOOO!!!!
8-)

--
 ________________ Alan Williams  vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu ___________________
 \/ A hypothetical paradox: What would happen in a battle between an         \/
    _Enterprise_ security team, who always get killed soon after appearing,
    and a squad of Imperial Stormtroopers, who can't hit the broad side of
    a planet?                 	--Tom Galloway
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: New gender models (was Re: R*d*f*n*ng m*sculin*ty
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:15:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: (getting there)


Waddaya know-- we might even rehabilitate this thread before it
dies.  I put in some stars and edited references in the hope of
avoiding some kill files.

vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:

 >Personally, I don't think referring to males as females--apparently on the
 >basis of sexual orientation--is a healthy practice.  While mere gender has
 >many societal things tied up with it (IOW, what it "means" to be male or
 >female), I think it's better to disarm the language by removing sexual
 >orientation from the connotations the gender words.

Bingo.  I haven't had a chance to say anything further to Arnold's
"organism" model of sexuality, or Jojo's consideration of the
self-indexing for "orientation" (meaning what one looks for in a
sex-mate) that is multidimensional, but this very item was, for me,
a helpful way to start in redefining gender.

 >As I tell people who make "genderfuck" comments: My gender is male, thanks
 >to certain elements of anatomy.  It doesn't have anything to do with my
 >bedmates.

Or, as one of my TS friends puts it, it's the difference between who
you wanna go to be _with_, and who you wanna go to bed _as_.

Of course, she's talking specifically about gender identity, from
the point of view of someone whose anatomy started out assigning her
to the wrong category.  What we've been discussing (if I may so
dignify it) is the perception that other people have of us, and how
that fits with the accepted wisdom of what people of various sexes 
(oops, strike that:  if it's the accepted wisdom then there are
exactly two sexes) are and should be like, and how much deviation
from that expectation is tolerable.

Pay attention to that "tolerable."  Our culture says that it's more
important to stay within other people's expectations and comfort
zones than within our own.  Crossing genderlines is some sort of
real transgression.  Making the point that one's choice of bedmates
is not "properly" a _gender_ issue is in itself a revolutionary act.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Buck Rogers (was: research on the gay male voice)
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:09:41 GMT

> In article <15843@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
> >Hunky winged men..aren't you confusing this with the equally appalling
> >'Flash Gordon' ? I know Steve would rent that...

actually that scene NEVER fails to crack me up (all the winged me)

I keep waiting  for them to spell out "Surrender Dorothy!"...
(with the wicked witch music in the background)
hee hee hee hee!
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Snaps
Date: 26 Aug 1992 10:21:58 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <mcmelmon-240892123058@mcmelmon.apple.com> 
mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

Hey "Matthew"!  I know it's a bit much to expect software
to get everything right (and isn't that one of the reasons
you're being tested in soc.motss?), so I'm not going to
jump all over you *this* time.

> Which
> makes me ten years younger than Mdme. Adolphson.

That's Mme Adolphson, "Matthew".

Arne
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Is Pat Robertson for real??
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 92 08:36:27 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug31.221700.28224@microsoft.com>
  <1992Sep1.015929.17531@macc.wisc.edu> <BtwEzq.y8@news.larc.nasa.gov>

Ann Carlson writes:
>I know that my position here isn't generally respected and that many
>aren't willing to believe in anything good for LGB people comming out
>of the church, but I think think that *is* good news in continuuing
>vocalness of the viscous-right crowd.  I've noticed a lot of the
>normally silent, more moderate, christians who have woken up to the
>fact that they can not afford to be silent about the issues.

This is something I've noticed as well.  In the aftermath of the 
Repellent National Convention, a lot of long-time Republicans were
expressing disgust, and I've begun to hear similar feelings
expressed about people like Robertson by people we might call
"Christians of good conscience."

And while I don't intend to argue with your perception of how a
portion of soc.motss reacts to Christianity, my perception has
always been that very few people have been trying to deny that 
there can be individual people who are caring and good; it's the
institutions and edifice that tries to enforce (in certain cases)
what we see as hatred and evil that people object to.
 
() Learning: the kind of ignorance distinguishing the
() studious.
()      -- Ambrose Bierce
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cbe@unlinfo.unl.edu (cbe)
Subject: Crusin' to Cymru; Passin'thru Personchester
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:59:42 GMT

The Norns seem to have woven a trip to Bangor and Manchester into my 
thread of life from Sept. 6 to 13.  Although I'm not certain how free 
I'll be from obligations of slavery, I'd be grateful for any tips on 
places of motss interest or, mirable dictu, possibilites of meeting a 
motss native or two.

Please email me to save time and bandwidth.  Thanks!

Colburn Eigen                    H|u> = E|u>

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From: rosario@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Rosario Gennaro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss
Subject: Comics: Kudzu of 9-1-92
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:55:22 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

I was reading the Boston Globe funny page today and I stumbled into 
"Kudzu". I don't know why I read it, I never do, I must have seen the 
word "gay" unconsciously:

Kudzu and the Preacher sitting on the grass watching the sunset:
Kudzu: All I want preacher ... is to be so handsome ... people will think 
       I'm gay!

I found it very funny and I started laughing loud. I showed it to 
another member of my research group (gay as well) and we had a good laugh.

---Rosario
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Rosario Gennaro                           rosario@theory.lcs.mit.edu
                                          gennaro@athena.mit.edu
Laboratory for Computer Science
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Cambridge MA 02139

 "... la tua loquela ti fa manifesto di quella nobil patria natio ..."
                                          Inf. X
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: The liberal media
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:34:04 GMT

Nelson Minar (nelson@reed.edu) wrote:
> I don't know if this was deliberate or not, but there was an amusing
> bit of layout in today's Oregonian, on the front page and page 4 of
> the "Metro" section.
-------------
Other coverage of the Measure 9 struggle:  Terry Gross' "Fresh Air"
featured 3 guests talking about the issue.  Fortunately, I only turned
the radio on in time to hear the last, anti-9 speaker.  I didn't have
to hear the others.  Anyone hear the entire program?

Mike Drayton
mdrayton@sr.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: for powell in south carolina
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: short personal message
Originator: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: the ohio state university, department of linguistics
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:51:18 GMT

powell, i can't get *any* e-mail to you.  do you want a copy of
the porn posting? if so, how can i get it to you?

arnold


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From: richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss
Subject: Re: FYI: The Gay Pilots' Association
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:52:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Xiola Blue

I understand that Southern California has a group named "Unusual Attitudes".

A coworker (who is also a gay pilot) has squawked about creating a similiar
organisation here in the Bay Area.  We were trying to come up with names
for it; "Back Course" seems appropriate but has exclusionary overtones to
me ;^).  Other choices: "Fairies Really Do Have Wings", "Straight and
Level.  (k)NOT!", "Victor, Vector", etc.  Ideas solicited.  Resume own
navigation.
-- 
a flying squirrel is: richard@apple.com  Apple Computer Inc.

i'm your girl            friend
i'm your squirrel        friend
i'm your round the world friend

cruising: vidi, vici, veni.
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: CHFO's Good, but ... (Was: Re: The Last Oregon NCOD??)
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:55:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.42426
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Sep4.140241.9924@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>>I just today sent off a check for $100 to the Campaign for a
>>Hate-Free Oregon;
>
>              I'll empty it and send the $$$ off to something like
>CfaHFO or another GBLO*-needy org.

I hate to imply that the Oregon LGB community is less than perfect or
that there are gaps in any one organization which are being filled by
others, but ...

Please consider No on Hate as an alternative to No on 9 (Campaign for
a Hate Free Oregon).  No on Hate is a major player in the phone bank
campaign for voter ID (CHFO isn't cooperating right now) as well as
the coordinator for NCOD.  No on Hate depends almost exclusively on
button sales for money whereas CHFO gets most of their money from 
donations.

CHFO is doing good work and I do give them a fair chunk of change,
but please consider No on Hate as well.

Those addresses again, Don Pardo...

No on Hate
P.O. Box 2725
Portland OR 97208
(503) 222-9885

No on 9: Campaign for a Hate Free Oregon
P.O. Box 3343
Portland OR 97208
(503) 232-4501

If you live in the greater Portland area and are not signed up to work
on the Get Out The Vote campaign, do it now!  Call NOH for more details.
We will have the phone banks running in about a week.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: chuckm@dakota.tcs.com (Chuck Meares)
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Followup-To: chuckm@tcs.com
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:57:35 GMT

In article <-zjnncj.stephena@netcom.com> stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.170835.9873@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>>In article <jtjnzkg.stephena@netcom.com> stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants) writes:
>>>Ugh. I'm with George on that opinion. Sorry, but that jellyfish stuff spooked
>>>me for a week.
>>
>>You're talking to someone who thought he was eating Chinese fettucine
>>at the '88 motss.con.  So, yes, I am a survivor of San Francisco dim sum.
>>
>>>>I don't think there's a place which serves peanut butter and jelly sammiches
>>>>AND has room for 40+ leatherfolk. :-)
>>>I'll check the SF Board of Education and see what the schools have on the
>>>menu that week.
>>
>>Great image.
>
>Well, what other place has PBJ sandwiches *AND* can seat 40+?
>Who want's to be lunchroom monitor?

I DO, I DO!!!!!  I mean any lunchroom full of 40+ leatherfolk can't be all that
bad, right?

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