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From: meganb@sequent.com (Megan Breninger)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: A Question...
Summary: Will this work?
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:15:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov11.181518.23838
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

I have a question for which I need all of net's wisdom...

Hank is very smart, and after our first class at a show, he's
got the "pattern" down...so, every class there after, he knows
that after the walk is the trot, the trot the canter, the canter
the walk, the walk then reverse, etc...

He's ahead of me...as soon as he hears the mike click, he begins
to do the next thing in the "pattern".  I try my best to be on
guard and not let him be ahead of me, but if he does what they
say to do and does it well, I let it go.  If he doesn't do it
correctly, like sorta stops before the left lead canter depart
(his worst side), then I urge him on with my leg and seat and
hips at a walk for a couple of strides before I let him canter.
And, even tho I hold my outside rein tight, he reverses the second
they ask for it, leaving me "behind".

I have 2 choices here...either do a labotamy :*), or put cotton in
his ears.  I school him at schooling shows, but when I school him
for something he did right but was just ahead of me on, he get's
upset like "That's what I did, so why are you mad at me!"  He KNOWS
when he's done something right, and when he's done something wrong.
He gets mad when I correct him for doing something he knows he did
right because he can't understand that, sure it's right, I just didn't
want you to do it just yet.

So, has anyone heard of putting cotton in horses ears?  What type of
cotton do I use?  I know people do it when they clip ears, but when
they show?  Does anyone have any other suggestions for a horse that
is smarter than the rider!!! :*P"  hehehehe

Thanks for any input you can give me.  Yes, I trail ride and play with
Hank alot...yes, we do other types of shows beside flat class shows...
Even after a 4 month layoff in flat class shows, he caught on to the
pattern after the first class, as usual!  He even catches on to
jumping show classes when they use the same pattern, but just make the
jumps higher!

Megan, Larry, Clyde, Edgar and Hank, The Smartest Wonder Horse I know!
From: pone@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Daniel Shields)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: (none)
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:09:57 GMT
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
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Subject: Re: Feeding Old Horses
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

(body of article deleted)
>It seemed better to me to keep the horse on the easily digested
>pelleted feed, but the new caretaker doesn't think so.  Does anyone
>have any other suggestions to put weight on?  She did start adding
>1/4 cup vegetable oil to the sweet feed.
>
>Paulette & Nipper

Something that works extraordinarily well for both older and chronically
underweight horses is sugar beet pulp. Most feed stores stock it in its
dry pelleted form. ***CAUTION**! Do not, I repeat *DO NOT* feed it to the
horse in its dry form !  It is highly concentrated - it MUST be allowed to
stand in warm water for a minimum of eight hours at a ratio of about 3:1
(water to beet pulp). The ratio may very according to how the pulp was 
harvested, among other factors, but a good method for determining if 
enough water was used is to squeeze a piece; you should be able to squeeze
water out of it, it should be almost dripping wet, not just moist.
The stuff is loaded with calories, highly palatable (most horses go nuts for
the sweet taste), and it is easily digested if properly prepared. If it is not,
IT MAY CAUSE COLIC, as the pellets expand in the horses stomach. For a horse
that has a prior history of colic, I would only add a handful of *sopping* 
pulp a day, and watch the horse carefully for signs of indigestion. In my
experience even digestively sensitive horses do well on this feed if it is 
introduced slowly.  BTW, It should never comprise more than 1/3 of the horses
total daily feed, according to my vet. One last point- it spoils easily, so
all of what you make should be used in the next feed, and any uneaten portions
should be removed and the feed tub cleaned. (if that is not done already)

  Yes, it is a little more work, but the results are worth it. Of course,
you could always fall back on the method used by many British and Irish stables
a bottle of Guiness Stout in the evening feed! Yup, shur looks like, that mare
hash (burp) gained weight...........

Hope this helps, feel free to email if you have questions.
Lisa Stockus
(on Daniel Shields' account)

P.S. The Guiness certainly cant hurt - I know *I* gain weight on it!
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From: sfrisch@panache.East.Sun.COM (Shelley Frisch - Sun USOPS WSU Supplier Engineering)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Thanks for Input
Date: 13 Nov 1992 13:46:59 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sfrisch@panache.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: panache.east.sun.com


Thanks for all the input.  It sounds like
none of this is out of the ordinary and I 
will probably stick with my FARRIER not FERRIER
(sorry for the spelling errors).

Shelley & Billy Dee Go
From: kris@boi.hp.com (kris troxel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Wrapping/linaments
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:01:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: mail.BxB3E4.HBK
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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When I ride in an arena, regardless of what I will be doing I put protection
on all four legs. I use Prof. Choice Sports Med. Boots and bell boots on the
front and long skid boots on the back. I really like the Prof. Choice boots,
I got them this spring. My mare is 13 yrs. and I want to keep her as sound
as she is now. I think that the support provided by the P.C. boots is as
valuable as the protection, which is why I was willing to spend the bucks.
Generally when I am trail riding I will use regular old splint boots for
young horses I ride, but I don't put anything on Brat. This includes when
we go into the backcountry. 

The only time that I would use a liniment, etc. and bandages is if a horse
exhibits some "stocking up" after a ride. Tho. I would probably try to get
at the root cause of the swelling. I have found that once you start wrapping
you can't ever stop. The horses legs will become accustomed to the wraps
and will rely on them. I guess my attitude is that proper warm up, good
leg protection, suppling and fitness excersises, and proper cool down 
should be adequate.
From: karlm@sequent.com (Karl Maerz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.equestrian.racing
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:57:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov10.225719.6757
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell) writes:
|6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
||The question was asked:
||
|||Are there people who would be interested in a news group on horse
|||racing?
||
||No doubt there are! IMHO, Horse Racing is often a huge waste of a beautiful
||animal which often ruins their health at an early age and can border on
||cruelty. Most people interested in Horse Racing are not interested in the
||horses for themselves.
||
||In other word, for my part, no thank you.
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
| ditto

Me, too.  I emphatically do not wish to have a horse racing
group folded into the rec.equestrian hierarchy.

Many of the proposed topics are not of equestrian interest so much 
as they are of "how to play the race game" interest.  Presumably, the 
newsgroup rec.gambling already covers much of this.  If you are really 
bent on a horseracing newsgroup, I would suggest you pursue something 
along the lines of rec.gambling.horseracing.  I doubt you will find much 
sympathy or support for the horse racing industry in rec.equestrian.  
The quote above pretty much says it all.

Karl Maerz
karlm@sequent.com
From: jdietz@natinst.com (Jennifer Dietz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rain Scald
Date: 12 Nov 1992 11:51:32 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com

In article <1992Nov11.115135.18853@pbs.org> bjones@pbs.org writes:
>
>Is "rain scald" the same thing as "rain rot" (in the US)?
     ^^^^^^^^^^                     ^^^^^^^^
                     Yes.
>
>A related question: has anyone heard the theory about rain rot being
>caused by acid rain?
           ^^^^^^^^^
             No.

>I've always thought that it is a fungal
>infection of the skin. Any comments?

fungal/bacterial.  Recent Equus had a good article on this subject.

>
>Beata
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>	Beata Jones	bjones@pbs.org
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: to shoe ot not to shoe
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:29:02 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu


    : roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop) writes:
Subject: To shoe or not to?

What is the consensus on shoeing?

I am currently leasing a 15.3" 17 yr old QH.  I ride english and do alot of
trail riding in grassy meadows, corn fields and through woods.  Occasionally,
we ride on concrete or asphalt to get between the areas above.  My friend who
owns the horse doesn't shoe her horses unless she starts to see problems or
anticipates problems.  Her horses have the luxury of and open stable and
pasture all the time (except when it is very cold or very hot will she keep
them in).  She has 12' box stalls with rubber padding.  The areas I ride have
very few rocks.  I have been riding this horse about 3 times a week since June
and other than a few minor chips to the edge of the hoofs, I haven't noticed
any other effects. My friend also checks regularly too.

I am new to equine care and have only been riding a few years so I am a novice
to equine health.  All the horse I have ever riden have had shoes.  I am
starting fox hunting (a few jumps) and the last hunt I was on the rider in
front of me lost 2 shoes and another rider had to drop out because of a loose
shoe.

Is shoeing a personal preference?   Obviously, at some point it is a necessity?
 I guess it might be like walking bearfoot - at the beginning of the summer you
feel like you are walking on glass (tenderfoot) and by the end of the summer
your feet have toughened up and you can walk normally.  Is this true for
horses?  When we do hit some stones he walks/trots right through them without
loosing a stride.

Please set me straight.  What are the guidelines for shoeing (when do you need
them)?

I appreciate your advice.

Thanks,

Karen Roop
(new to this group - great info, I'm learning alot)

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Consider yourself lucky if you don't have to shoe.  I, and most
farriers I talk to, consider it a necesary evil.  My big
Morgan/Quarter mare is heavy and got tender footed toward the end of
April so I have had shoes on her. I hope to pull them this Friday
and see if I can get by without them in the softer ground.
My friend rides a 1/2 Arab and has run over all sorts of hard ground
and rocks barefoot.  That horse has feet of rock!

I rode my Appy mare for 7 years without shoes with no problems.  I
put shoes on her for the Alamaden Trithalon and she got a b ad stone
bruise with the shoes!

In my opinion horses have healthier feet without shoes.  But, if
your horse gets cracks, BIG CHIPS, stone bruises, or acts at all
tender on rocks or hard ground, you mmight need to put them on

Karen
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: julieann@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com (Julieann Fitchwell)
Subject: Horseless Rider Needs Directions(s)
Organization: CMHC Systems
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:31:09 GMT


I'm new to the network and decided that I'd like some ?opinions?help?
with my situation. I'm looking for a realistic approach to progressing from 
my current standing as a horseless rider (in suburban Columbus,OH) to a horse 
owner and probably a competitor.

I'm just not sure where to start. Obviously, money is the first concern. But,
I've realized that I'm not sure what it is I should be buying; i.e.,
some land, board at a local barn, a little farm, etc..
I'd like some input from someone who's been thru this, most of the people I
ride with have either had horses since they were kids or someone else (like
Mom and Dad) is funding their horse habit so the situation isn't quite the
same.

Here's a little history:
I'm 25 years old, work full, full time, married (significant for decisions), 
own (mortgage) a home, have 2 dogs, 2 rabbits,
have a truck (made sure it's big enough to pull a 2 horse), a car payment ...
the usual.
I've been taking riding lessons for about 2 1/2 years with the intent of 
eventually owning a horse and competing in western pleasure and more.
I've competed locally (about 10 shows) on different horses that I've leased.
and have taken a few 2nds and 3rds. Placed at all, no 1sts.
I work part-time helping to care for the horses and barn where I ride. (40
horses, 2 barns) 
Soon, I should be able to squeeze enough out of my pay to handle board (approx.
$250/mo around here.) I can't decide whether the money should go toward boarding
a horse or toward saving/payments on our own place for a horse. I know that
eventually I'll want my own barn, but right now it's either a horse or a barn.
One without the other isn't great but you've got to start somewhere. (I think.)

Please reply via email.
Thanks!
JulieAnn
One Horseless Rider    

PS- I hope this isn't inappropriate for posting, like I said, I'm new. Sorry
     if I offend.

PPS - "I used to have money. Now I have horses." - saw it on a shirt at the
      QH Congress.
From: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Question: snaffles in dressage
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:10:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov12.221031.20653
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Nov12.171830.27787@cbfsb.cb.att.com> pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau) writes:
>Regarding the discussion on bits for dressage, just exactly
>what kind of snaffles are allowed - e.g., plain egg but,
>loose ring, any with a twist or rollers, dr. bristol, etc?
>
>I've noticed at my new hunter barn, that many horses are ridden
>in a snaffle - looks kind, and then when they take the bridle
>off, the mouthpiece is often quite severe - ie, double twisted wires.
>I assume that this is not done in dressage, but do they actually
>check your bit when you're in a show?
>
>thanks, 
>Lynn Pfau
>AT&T
>Naperville, Il

At the one dressage competition I have so far attended, the answer was:
Yes, they check the bit.  And if I recall what I read in the rule book
on the sidelines, the bit must have a smooth, plain mouthpiece, no
twists, etc..  Someone with a rule book to hand (or experience!)
may be able to post the particulars.

Kathy Wilber
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: turowski@sophia.smith.edu (Petra Turowski)
Subject: Re: Ration Plus and Lactobacillus acidopholous
Organization: Smith College
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:19:01 GMT

Here is a chemist's perspective on Ration Plus and its potential
effectiveness as a feed supplement for underweight horses:
  
The evidence that Ration Plus works appears to be fairly good, and
I see no reason to pooh-pooh the product.  The manufacturer is very
vague on the composition of the product, very likely to prevent 
imitation and substitution by consumers or competitors.  
"Lactobacillus acidopholous fermentation products" could be anything,
depending on the culture medium used, and that is not specified.
L. acidopholous is a very common bacterium used in the body and in 
the food industry.  It is employed in all sorts of fermentation processes,
including the production of yogurt, pickles, and sauerkraut - it will
ferment lots of things. 

You can easily obtain the bacterium in tablet form, in yogurt, and in
lactose-free milk (e.g. lactaid), but the fermentation products would not
likely be the same as in Ration Plus.  Your horse already has lots of
L. acidopholous, as do you, so in itself it would not help much, in my
opinion.  You can always go work for the manufacturer and find out his
secret.  ("You" is meant generally, above.)  I, personally, might be
tempted to try adding yogurt or lactaid to my horse's diet before
buying the stuff, just in case it were to work.
  Petra
>
>
>-- 
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>  I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am
>    not sure you realize that what you understand is not what I meant.
>=========================== rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca ======================
From: mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Rain Scald
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:02:20 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA


Quest got "rain rot"/"rain scald" this past summer.
He had never had this before and I was appalled when
he got it. I mean, according to my books, this happens
in unkempt horses--ones who aren't groomed regularly.
Well, Quest is one of the most well groomed and clean
horses in the barn, so it was probably what its like
for a parent if their kids are sent home from school
with lice (my mom's a school nurse, so this analogy
seems to enter my mind first :-))
But this was his first summer ever to have been in
any rain, and it was a very wet summer, so that
probably explains why he got it.

Now how to get rid of it.  I have several things
I tried, and since I'm not sure which one worked
best, I'll list them all.
First, its important to get the scummy scabs off.
This also means that a lot of hair comes off too,
but its the only way to effectively treat it.
Search for and pick off all scabs.

Mix baby oil and betadine solution (not betadine scrub)
   rub this into the affected area, then come back the
   next day and hopefully it will have softened the 
   scummies and they will easily come off.

(strangely enough Quest did not mind at all that I
was picking off the scabs and hair, though I know
it had to have been sensitive, since some areas even
bled just a tiny bit)

My vet gave me a powder to put on it.  Similar to
human Micatin for athletes feet. (personally I
don't think the powder did any good)

Desitin, the diaper rash ointment  I used this on the 
mud fever/scratches and it worked wonders.  I found it 
difficult to use on his back and rump for the rain rot 
though, cause they were larger areas.

Betadine washes. My vet said when bathing, put on the
betadine and let it sit for 20 minutes before washing off.
(and yes, that yellow betadine does easily wash off a
white horse without staining)
After rinsing that off I reapplied a diluted version of
the betadine and left it on. (don't use the scrub or it
will irritate the skin)
I also did more of the betadine and baby oil combo.

That fungus/bacteria just didn't have a chance  ;-)

Melanie
   and Quest, who is now fungus free 
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          Melanie L. Dresser	  mdresser@pbs.org    
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From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Hoof Care Products
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:53:55 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1dmn9vINN7up@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
>I'd like to start a new discussion about hoof care products.  Here in

  I've had good luck with two products.  One is Rainmaker, which I use both on
the coronary band and all over the hoof.  It comes in a can with a brush, so
is fairly neat to apply. And not too expensive.  The other product is called
Jim Trammel's Leather and Hoof Conditioner.  It is runny like leather 
conditioners, and I only rub it into the coronary band.  But it seems to be
effective.  I think it probably works better than the Rainmaker, but because
it is messy I use it less often.  I guess what I need to do is figure out a
way to use it neatly.  And it will attract a nice ring of dirt to the area
afterward.  As long as it seems to work, though....

					Teresa
					Leo (QH)
					Ari (Andalusian)
					Razzie (Arab)
From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:40:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Dick Francis
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

Thanks for the tip on the Dick Francis book.  I think I have read every
one of his books.  I hadn't realized he had a new one out.

Thanks again
Kim
From: IO20624@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: AQHA COLT
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:59:38 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Does any one know of a good place for me to offer my reg. QH 1.5 year old colt
for sale? This is my first colt and i would like to sell him to a good home sin
ce i just started college and my Mom and youger brother don't have time to work
 with him. please leave a response here or e-mail me at     io20624@maine.maine
.edu
Thank's
  -Laura Howe
From: trudy@vcd.hp.com (Trudy Benjamin)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: snaffles for dressage
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:54:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: vcd.BxnyyJ.HHz
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Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
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: specified in the rules are allowed.  I don't know if plastic bits
: are accepted yet or not.

According to last years rulebook, bits made of synthetic material are allowed
as long as they conform to the shape of the previous mentioned bits.  This
is the first time this passage has appeared in the rules, so I think it is new.

Trudy and Jake ( 8 yr old TB)
From: davek@informix.com (David Kosenko)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Bits (was Re: Question: snaffles in dressage)
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:16:57 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

lynn.r.pfau writes:
>I've noticed at my new hunter barn, that many horses are ridden
>in a snaffle - looks kind, and then when they take the bridle
>off, the mouthpiece is often quite severe - ie, double twisted wires.

I just recently had a discussion with my trainer about Hunters and bits.
She informed me that bitting is as much a matter of "fashion" in the
Hunter ring as any other criteria (and in fact, this applies as well to
tack, grooming, rider attire, etc.).  She said that for a while,
pelhams were all the rage, but now it appears that D ring snaffles are
the "way to go".  This will certainly change again in a season or two.

Dave
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From: cvadrbha@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Feeding OLD Horses...
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:11:56 GMT
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrbha

I give my 30 y/o Mustang/Quarter-Horse Alfalfa hay, and have been free-feeding
her on Alfalfa & Molasses (A & M), with 3 lbs. of Tiz Wiz daily.
She also gets 4-Way (1 lb.) every other day.
She's put on 100-200 lbs...  :)
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