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From: dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier)
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:47:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.093341.4192@cbfsb.cb.att.com> cooper@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen) writes:
>In article <DF4NiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, pfaust@b-cpu.UUCP (Pete Faust) writes:
>> 
>>                   SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE
>>  
>>      Germans and we of German descent are sons and daughters
>> of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms, Wagner, Haydn,
>> Handel, Humperdinck, Johann and Richard Strauss, Berg,
>> Webern, Hindemith, Schnittke, Goethe, Schiller, Kant, Hegel,
>> Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, ad infinitum.  We have not gassed (a
>> new dimension in inhumanity) and do not gas people...any
>> people.  Those who knowingly claim we did, knowing we did not
>> (THE TRUE WAR CRIMINALS), are being ensnared by THE UNTIRING
>> ARM OF HISTORY.

Bravo!  But read on.....

>Aha! It's denial of ones own ancestory that I think is the root-cause here.
>Mr. Faust writes: "We have not gassed and do not gas people." 
>What he actually writes: "Ich hab es nicht gewust."
>Anyone heard that before? 
>
Well, I am of full blooded German ancestry and am proud of my heritage. 
However, my ancestors were driven over here from Alsace in 1834 by the French!
Does this mean I was responsible for gassing people? No.....

Everyone in my area was still speaking German as a second (and sometimes first
language).  We didn't care a great deal about the war, since we were, for the
most part, just one step away from being Amish farmers!  

Of course, our brilliant pal responsible for the above tripe seems to think 

	German 	=	Jew Gasser

So does this mean

	French 	=	German suppressor

	Spaniard= 	Indian Murderer

	Briton	=	Plunderer and killer of Celts

Get a clue pal.  I am responsible for my own actions, not all of the actions
ever done by someone associated with me by national origin.  If you want to
think that way, then we are all responsible for all evil that has ever
occured.  After all, we all came from Adam and Eve.

Or perhaps that is better suited for alt.talk.origins. :-) :-) :-)


-- 
Douglas C. Meier		|  You can sell your soul, but don't you sell     
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Standard Disclaimer		|  -Randy Bachman, The Guess Who
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: srcguard@src.dec.com THE PUNISHER
Subject: THE PUNISHER SPEAKETH: 4/6/92
Keywords:  PUNISH THE GUILTY
Reply-To: srcguard@src.dec.com THE PUNISHER
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 16:55:35 PDT


	Greetings and Salutations,

		Behold, ladies and gentlemen,  A new user born,
	to listen, and tell, and even challenge those who believe
	 in the justice that has torn all countires to pieces.  I've
	read your words and it seems that you do realize that this world
	is getting seriously fucked up because of the Balance of Power.  
	Yes, the Balance of Power, that has made most of you in hard times,
	and your future a standstill.  That is our justice we live with
	today.  You are all fools, to believe in such lies about the so-called
	Democracy we live in.....we live in  Bureauacracy and you people
	think it's for us.  It's time for real Democracy.  I'll take
	any comments, challenges, any victims, to discuss how you think
	the way we all should live.  

		Welcome to the realm of....................

		
		T H E                        P U N I S H E R



 
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From: ad980@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul S. Wolf)
Subject: Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?  The Case for Open Debate
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 18:40:37 GMT


Of course there is NO sense in posting this trash over and over
again all over the band.  No one has ever said that anyone 
connected to B-CPU has any sense.  They are only posting this
garbage repeatedly inorder to keep the "discussion" going.  If
they stopped, we would stop protesting, and their whole 
purpose , as in placing the "ads", is to try to make the topic
seem like a real debate over facts, rather than over the lies
they post.
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From: case@diku.dk (Steven Kj{r Snedker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.discrimination,soc.history,alt.activism
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Fats"
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:39:34 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

Well, no need to waste time trying to teach anyone at B-CPU history. 
I think this calls for an ever so subtle reminder of netiquette.

Posting the same article several times is not the Usenet way of doing things.

Being nice white guys, I guess that you will not break the social contract of
these newsgroups again. 
You'll find more helpful advice in the following articles:

Newsgroups: news.announce.newusers,news.answers
Subject: A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community

Newsgroups: news.announce.newusers,news.answers
Subject: Hints on writing style for Usenet

Behave.

Steven Snedker

PS: It's now 12 o'clock and the flags are being lowered around Copenhagen. 
52 years ago the Nazis invaded Denmark.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research,alt.activism
From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Subject: Re: AGAIN, Fred Leuchter's Findings on the FAKE "Gas Chambers"
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1992 18:24:56 GMT

Save your cavils, Ralph.  Conspiracy among a few people is always possible,
but conspiracy among TENS, even HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of people today, over
events 50 years ago?  Hardly.  The Israeli theocracy may have state secrets,
as would any country, but a world-wide conspiracy to distort facts?  Hardly.
Jewish culture values education and truth, among other virtues.  And how about
lapsed Jews, or people whose mothers aren't Jewish (making those people
technically non-Jews)?  Are they in on this conspiracy, too?
 
I've seen estimates that Hitler and the Nazis were responsible, directly and
indirectly, for the deaths of fifty (50) million people of all kinds.  And
you want to dispute the deaths of a paltry 6 million?  It happened; forget
it.  Water under the bridge.
 
**  Hugh Pritchard,  hapritch@mitre.org,  703/883-6616
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From: martin@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Martin Gorman)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,alt.activism,sci.research
Subject: Re: THE HOAXER PROJECT REPORT (Racist and Anti-Semitic Hoaxes and more!)
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:56:42 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <gate.28B4iB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP>, ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:
> 
>      One example of this is the incredible over-reaction to unfounded
> claims of racist and anti-Semitic harassment and violence.  Simple
> human failings, such as unkind graffiti or bothersome telephone calls,
>
"Simple human failings..."? You're a sick man, Mr. Winston
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research,alt.activism
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: Christic Books & Videos Address Your Need to Learn of Gov't Criminality
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 08:18:03 GMT


In a post on this thread Lawrence Foard criticizes the presumed
anti-drug stance of the Christic Institute. After some possibly
valid concern about attacks on civil liberties in the name of
opposing drugs he then continues to complain that those who
commit "crimes against people" will be walking around free so
that those arrested in the war on drugs can be jailed.

Speaking specifically to the subject of crack cocaine, I have
to say that anybody who does not consider the sale of this
substance a "crime against people" has probably never been
personally close to a crack addict. I have. To those not in a 
position to understand what I am talking about, all I can
say is I hope to God you never have to find out.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: THE HOLOCAUST STORY: HOW MUCH IS FALSE? The Case for Open Debate
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:32:10 GMT

louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:
>In article <gate.60TyiB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:
>>
>>              THE HOLOCAUST STORY:  HOW MUCH IS FALSE?
>>
>>                      The Case for Open Debate
>>

>How much sense does it make to continue posting this kind of stuff again
>and again.

And perhaps someone could post again how to make nn and rn kill any
article that has "b-cpu" in the header, for them that would truly like
to make them banished.
-- 
"Clean your room." -- Your Mother
From: 891034d@ace.acadiau.ca (PETER F. DEARMAN)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Silence of the Lambs
Summary: Silence of Lambs not on a level with JFK
Keywords: fraud hoax fix deceit unfair
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:21:38 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <1992Apr16.150644.10137@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:
>From: bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman)
>Subject: Silence of the Lambs
>Summary: Silence of Lambs not on a level with JFK
>Keywords: fraud hoax fix deceit unfair
>Date: 16 Apr 92 15:06:44 GMT


>In the process of watching "The Silence of the Lambs."
>Preliminarily, how oh how could they give this movie Best Picture
>over Stone's JFK?

Look for JFK as a possible next year.  Did it play on any screens in 1991?  
If not, then it can't get an award until next year.  (I don't keep up on 
that awards crap myself.  Haven't seen JFK either.  Liked Silence of the 
Lambs too.)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman)
Subject: Re: Silence of the Lambs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:21:10 GMT

ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:
>US Government consistenly lies to its citizens), the basic Mr. Smith
>takes on the Conspiracy plot is pretty pedestrian, so I can't much
>fault the lack of other awards.

....the basic thriller-type plot of "helpless" female against crazed masculine power (with the startling surprise twist that [gasp!] the female is not so
helpless after all) is also pretty worn out. "Silence of the Lambs" is pure
escapist entertainment and does not challenge intellectually. Stones movie raises some good points -- difficulty of getting off 3 good shots from the DB 
depository in 7 seconds, shell casings ejected in an unlikely pattern, insistence of witnesses that shots had come from the grassy knoll area. Come on now! 
There *is* something fishy about the JFK assassination.


>BTW: Personally, I'm tickled pink that _Silence of the Lambs_ won what
>it did; I'd been noticing how well put together a movie it is the
>month before the Awards.

......well put together? Do you mean technically? So what! If by
well put together you mean it sustains your interest, I grant you
that. Still, the movie is not very remarkable. I say the fix was in.



From: jeffw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (jeff waldeck)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:43:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Hempless history - Can you help me?
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy

I 've heard that it was the synthetic plastics people (i.e.- DuPont et al)
who needed a market to develope their new product, nylon. Since nylon
could not compete with hemp on an even basis, the evil chemical companies
convinced the government that hemp was the source of a very bad drug
(marijuana), and therefore even though it was a very useful plant it
should be outlawed. This occurred (as I recall) in the 30's.

Read everything here with a big grain of salt - I can validate nothing.

A good reference for your project might be "the emporer's new clothes"
by Jack somebody. It is slanted pro-legalization, but has oodles of
sources and copies of old news articles. Even give you a place to buy
the old war film "Hemp for Victory" (not kidding!).

Good luck,

Jeffery



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From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research
Subject: Re: Leuchter Wins Tactical Victory in Legal Battle -- Charges Removed!
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:25:59 GMT
Organization: MacDTS Mongols

In article <FS_FUCHS.92Mar27120334@rcsw23.rcvie.at>, fs_fuchs@rcsw23.rcvie.at
(Kurt Fuchs) writes:
> 
> In the article from 26 Mar 92 05:49:35 GMT
> ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston) writes:
> 
> In article <gate.D238HB1w164w@b-cpu.UUCP> ralphw@b-cpu.UUCP (Ralph Winston)
writes:
> 
> >      On the basis of a detailed on-site forensic investigation carried
> > out in early 1988, Leuchter concluded that the alleged extermination
> > gas chambers of Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek were never used to
> > kill anyone.
> 
> So gas chamber existed, but have been used for leisure time.
> 
> Is A. Leuchter short for "Armleuchter" (German, = silly ass)?

I guess these gas chambers were used as recreational rooms for 
the Jews, a little bit gas now and then makes them always happy...

How dumb could a human being be, pretty dumb...

Cheers,
Kent
From: mbevan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Bevan)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Another U2 point to consider
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 09:28:50 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:

> The fans of paranoid conspiracies seem to talk about the mysterious
> shootdown of Powers as some sort of anomaly. In fact, *many* U2s were
> shot down over Cuba and the peripery of the USSR. Power's shootdown
> was only noteable because he was captured alive and because of the
> political hay the hardliners in the USSR made of it.
>  
>          --mike

The difference between other downings of U2's is
1: It can be directly linked to the sabotage of the peace summit 
in paris in mid 1960.
2: Gary Francis Power felt that his plane was tamper with during
pre flight preparations
3: There is a good chance that Lee Harvey Oswald was sent to 
Russia to give them info on how to shoot the U-2 down
This is supported by the fact that Oswald was trained as
a radar operator in the marines (working at a U-2 base)
also in the autobiography of Gary Powers he make a
observation : when he was in prison people would come and 
look in his cell, one day the guy who look in was ,yes,
LEE HARVEY OSWALD!!
Believe it or not!!
mark bevan

Mark Bevan              mbevan@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Celebrating 10 years of service to Northern Alberta
From: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Space and Fusion
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:56:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: netlink.FkmViB1w164w
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

The more I get involved with legislative reforms of the space
program and fusion energy, the more it appears that the 
incentives of these programs are deliberately designed
to suppress progress.
 
For example, everyone receiving money directly or indirectly
from these projects knows that if they actually do open
up access to space or actually do solve the fusion problem,
their personal positions will disappear and they will receive
no royalties from the technologies they develop at government
expense.
 
And guess what?  They all behave exactly as though they were
aware of that fact!  
 
They stretch out each little technical innovation for as long
as possible extracting as much money as possible from Congress
while providing minimal returns and engaging in character
assassination of any "outsiders" who come up with innovations
that might work quickly and cheaply.
 
Now given the potential importance of fusion and space, it
leads me to wonder, why is it that we have set the incentives
of these programs up to produce suppression of progress in
these areas?
 
Is it just stupid, short-sighted porkbarrel politics?
 

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From: jburnes@swbatl.sbc.com (Jim Burnes - 235-7444)
Subject: Re: Silence of the Lambs
Organization: Southwestern Bell
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:10:08 GMT

rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
> bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:
> >In the process of watching "The Silence of the Lambs."
> >Preliminarily, how oh how could they give this movie Best Picture
> >over Stone's JFK? Stone's movie is epochal in that it dares to
> >treat its audience as adults by asking thought-provoking
> >questions. Especially, it has an Edward R. Murrow breakthrough
> >quality. The Truth crushed into the earth rises again.
> 
> Possibly they figured a well done psychodrama might be a bit harder to
> make than a half-truthful dramatization?  JFK treats its audience like
> idiots by lying to them and expecting them to take it as truth.

Would you would like to quote sources that prove that Oliver Stone is lying.
Maybe they will be sources other than NY Times/Newsweek/Time Magazine
or whatever.  Those really arern't sources, they are pointless
propaganda rags.

I think Stone could have been a little more thorough, but all in all
its a wonderful job.  For lies, see the Warren Commission, the FBI,
J. Edgar Hoover, the CIA, The Presidents.  You know, all the usual
sources.


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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: ccasm@cc.newcastle.edu.au
Subject: Re: RFK shot in the back ?
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:03:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr06.154353.18711@sco.COM>, hiramc@sco.COM 
> (Hiram Clawson) writes: 
> In article <kt9fhvINN5ie@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> holtz@netcord.Eng.Sun.COM
>> (Brian Holtz) writes:
>>  In article <kwajzyf@lynx.unm.edu> nwickham@triton.unm.edu
>>>  (Neal C. Wickham) writes:
>>>That he didn't succeed is disputed, but it was my recollection that RFK's
>>>bodyguard accidentally shot Bobby behind the ear at point blank range in an
>>>attempt to shoot Sirhan who was in such a trance that it was difficult to
>>>overpower him.
>>
>>Amazing.  RFK is shot in a crowded room, and people try to invent ways
>>that a bodyguard could have shot him.
> 
> No Brian, they aren't trying to invent ways RFK could have been shot.
> Only trying to explain why he has entrance wounds in the back of his
> neck when the accused assassin is shooting from the front.  Although,
> of course that is up for debate.  As I understand the RFK situation,
> the medical evidence is all screwed up.  As usual.

Neal Wickam did NOT write the above, I did. It is based on a book called
ASSASSINATION IN OUR TIME (1976) in my personal library.

Sirhan was a small person, who once wanted to be a jockey. Yet he fired all
eight shots his gun could hold before his grip could be released. He could
not be overpowered even though he was grabbed after the first shot. Note-
ten shots were fired and all the bullets recovered. Sirhan of course
did not have time to reload.

I recall seeing the live television of the event and wondering why they
were all screaming to "get the fucking gun" away from Sirhan yet couldn't
do so. Sirhan was never close enough to RFK nor behind him to have shot
point-blank (as proved by the powder burns) into the rear of Bobby's head.
These are facts that are supported by the literature/evidence.
 
I think the guard was `forgiven' by the Kennedy family, and no charges laid.
If the bodyguard did NOT fire the fatal shot, there must have been another
assassin and there is no evidence for that. There is much more to the story
but I thought all Americans knew it.

If you wish I could post the story and the book details here.

Big Al    ^ ^
           |
          \_/
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Semite?
From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 23:40:13 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island

In article <1992Apr12.160652.19486@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075jutz@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore White) writes:

>By the way, don't you think that when Ralph Maynard calls himself "the main 
>nerd" he is implying that he is smart?  Well if the term "nerd" can be used 
>in this sense, then isn't "Maynard 'the main nerd'" oxymoronic?  Inquiring minds
>want to know.

>Actually shouldn't he be called Maynard 'the main moron'.

I saw a post recently from someone who traced the bbs phone numbers
back, and found them (it?) registered to a name in Portland that
rhymes with nerd.... I think it was Hurt or Hurd..... one can probably
assume, with some degree of safety, that "maynard" is one of several
alter egos conveniently adopted by this "hurt or hurd" idiot to fool
us net.idiots into believing that there are multiple users on the
site. Sadly for them, they all degenerate to the same level of crap
when folks keep refusing to accept their bullshit, and that makes it
easy to believe they are all one in the same.

It would be nice if someone in the Portland area, working with
whatever resources are at hand, like city directories, etc., ran down
this "Hurd" or "Hurt" chappie and published his name, phone number,
and address. I'm sure the media would like to interview him/her/it,
given a slow day and lack of skinhead stories during the month....

We might also get the media to do this for us by sending all the
propaganda from b-cpu to the Portland Oregonian and local Portland
electronic media - radio & television. I suspect they'd expose the
operation pretty quickly, once they saw the crap being passed off as
"truth" by these scumbags.

Can someone post the address of the Portland media, and fax numbers,
so those of us in other areas can send them material about this
"bbs?"
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From: acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "Anti-Semites" are Jew-haters: True, but show the relevence.
Date: 11 Apr 92 12:49:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr10.163932.20381@cs.ucla.edu>, pierce@cs.ucla.edu writes...
>"Anti-Semite" is a far too polite, euphemistic way to refer
>to Nazis like "Ralph Winston"/"Pete Faust". He/she/it is a
>Jew-hater who dreams of being a Jew-killer.

	I've never seen any words by these individuals that indicate they
	are "anti-Semite"s.  As far as I can read, they are against zionism
	and only question the validity of historic events. Where's the sin?

	And I think anyone who knows about Judaism, the religion, and 
	Zionism, a movement based on nationality, knows that they can be
	mutually exclusive (but aren't necessarily).

	I've met Zionist, of Jewish origin (of course!), that emphasize
	the nationality over the religion. And in my opinion, that's the 
	err. 

>What is the origin of the word "Anti-Semite" anyway?
>It sounds like it must have been invented by a Jew-hater.

	Or an Arab hater.

	-Ismail
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