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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Possible #1 vs. #2 matchup in major bo
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:29:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: mlb.1992Nov16.172902.14817
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne  FL


>>David Head (dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com) wrote:
>>: If Miami ends up #1 and FSU ends up #2, they are mandated to play for the
>>: national title by the Bowl Coalition as I understand it.  The only way Miami
>>: could duck FSU is to decline to go to a bowl at all, which would be ludicrous.

>>I guess that's my real question...  "Mandated?"...  I mean, they certainly
>>aren't mandated to accept a bid to the Sugar Bowl vs. #2 Alabama or to the
>>Cotton Bowl vs. #2 A&M.  Remember the talk of staying home to play in the
>>Orange Bowl due to finacial considerations?  (of course, with Nebraska's
>>loss, they won't do that now)

>>Perhaps there is some kind of clause regarding rematch games?  I'm not
>>trying to flame you, I'm just not real sure about the "rules" of the
>>coalition in this case...


My understanding of the Bowl Coalition is that a #1 Miami would indeed have had
to play a #2 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl or a #2 TAMU in the Cotton Bowl whether or
not the Orange Bowl paid more.  Supposedly if either of the two above happened,
or my personal favorite, Miami vs. FSU in the Fiesta, the hosting bowl would
suddenly come up with the extra money (network TV or somewhere) to take away
the economic argument.  I don't really know for sure about the "mandate" part
either.  I think what happens is the bowl with the highest ranked committed
team (currently the Sugar with #2 Bama, but certainly subject to change) gets
first pick of available opponents and would naturally choose currently #1 Miami.
I guess there isn't anything that would force Miami to accept, but if the Sugar
somehow came up with enough money to eliminate Miami's financial argument for
the Orange Bowl, then Miami would have a hard time explaining not going to the
Sugar Bowl.  If they tried to do that, then I would be in favor of stripping
them of their ranking and moving the rest of the teams up.  In other words, if
you are going to duck a National Championship matchup with no valid reason, you
lose your ranking and chance to be #1.  The same goes for any #1 who would try
to do the same, including my beloved Noles!

D. Head
From: ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: What Koontz Say
Keywords: Computer predictions
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:42:20 GMT
Distribution: rec

The way I determine my W-L record for my picks is indeed based on the spreads
out of Las Vegas.  If I predict:

Illinois  13
Michigan  10

when Michigan is favored by 29 then I consider my pick to be Illinois to
cover the spread.  When the final is 22-22 then that pick goes down as a win
for my computer algorithm.

Unfortunately, there were quite a few more losses this week than wins.  I
have therefore decided to temporarily refrain from posting picks for college
football games.  I would like to say thank you to all of the faithful fans
who have given me so much support over the last couple of weeks.  Your 
encouragement has been accepted very warmly by myself and all of those who
are close to me.  I love you all.

I will give everybody one final prediction for this Saturday:

Miami     15
Syracuse  23

Carl

ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com

P.S.  Don't worry fans, I will continue to post weekly NFL predictions in
      rec.sport.football.pro due to their success and the overwhelming
      popular demand.
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Super Conference to end East Coast Bias...
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:51:11 GMT

hackett@ocf.berkeley.edu (William Hackett) writes:

>In article <1992Nov22.014417.74436@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
>>In article <1em1e8INNga1@agate.berkeley.edu>, hackett@ocf.berkeley.edu (William
>>Hackett) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Except the ACC Basketball, Football.  Academics: Duke, UVa, Wake, Clemson, Ga.
>>Tech, Maryland and UNC  Golf, Women's Basketball:  Va, Maryland etc.  I
>>suppose I could go on, But there is only so much I can say to an Idiot like
>>you except that not only does the ACC currently exist, but this T/C conference
>>is just impossible, read any of the earlier posts about UofT and aTm getting
>>held hostage by the Texas Legislature.  Grow A Brain.
>>-- 
>>MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN
>>758-0207
>>MLSA
>>
>>"I really do appreciate the fact you're sitting here, you're voice sounds so
>>wonderful but your face don't look too clear so barmaid bring a pitcher,
>>another round of brew, why don't we get drunk and screw?"- J. Buffett

>#1 don't even think you can compete academically.  Stanford,Cal, Rice are
>better than any of your schools flat out and I would take TA&M Texas UCLA
>as being better than all but your top one or two.. Football Give me a break
>Texas Texas A&M , UCLA, USC... need I say more...  Golf shall I remind you
>TEXAS, STANFURD!!.. Same goes for Womens Basketball!!..  Okay Men's Basketball
>does look good for you but UCLA is always good Stanford Texas are not so bad
>and every once in while Houston.  This confernece if you look up all the 
>stats kicks the EAST COAST butt! even ACC.  Texas doesn't want its best two
>schools to leave the SWC to join the PAC-10 but I'm sure they wouldn't mind 
>this super conference...  


>Just admit it your mad because this conference will dominate the EAST COAST
>,Texas Legislature has nothing against that.  In Fact it would mean good things
>for UH and Rice as they step up.  

(-:  :-)   I still say you're just kidding and you really CAN spell .


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From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee)
Subject: Big 8 Bowl paranoia
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:16:23 GMT

This is getting really weird.
Kansas loses to Mizzou. Suddenly, they're 4th in the conference at 4-3. Now,
if Oklahoma beats Nebraska on Friday, Oklahoma finishes second and can talk
bowl. Nebraska falls to third and goes to the Aloha Bowl.
At least I think. Would a 4-1-2 beat a 4-2 record?

If this happens, the Big 8 will have 4 teams in bowl games, Colorado in the 
Orange, Oklahoma somewhere, Nebraska in the Aloha Bowl, and Kansas somewhere.

This has been an insane season. Not quite as weird as 1990, when everyone 
thought that ND-CU would be a shoo-in for the nat'l championshp and ND lost,
and heck, EVERYONE lost, except Ga. Tech. 

All I can hope is that Gibbs and Collins play the "game to save the coach's 
job", that is, beat the living daylights out of Nebraska. And Colorado prove 
they belong against Syracuse/ND. 

And if that doesn't happen, maybe a Tokyo surprise???

If Kansas gets screwed out of a bowl, I'll be pissed. They played above what
everyone else thought they would play, and were it not for Nebraska, we'd 
be talking about a ND/Jayhawks Orange Bowl.

Good luck to all, and may the most mediocre team tie or win.

-- 
Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!
Currently at:	 |"George Bush is Out of Time. Bill Clinton and Al Gore
Box 1143	 |are Automatic for the People."
Boulder, CO 80306|		-VP Elect Al Gore, 10-29-1992
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From: marko@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Olson)
Subject: Great Big 8 QBs
Organization: Sterling Software
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:32:51 GMT
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In a recent followup, I asked about the status of some of the great OU QBs and
I got to thinking that there have been a lot of great QBs in the Big 8, what
course did their careers take, and what are they up to now?  I've started a
list, anybody know about these players? Anybody have anybody to add?

   John Hadl - KU alum - Former AFL Start QB with the Chargers
                         Currently on KU ADept Staff - Fundraiser

   Bobby Douglas - KU Alum - ??

   Jerry Tagge - NU alum - Former NFL QB, Packers?
                           Currently a Businessman in Omaha, NE

   Jack Mildren - OU alum - ??

   Lynn Dickey - KSU alum - Former NFL QB, Packers?

   Thomas Lott - OU alum - NFL???
                           Holds an elected office in Okla, Preacher

   Darien Hagen - CU alum - NFL with whom?

   Turner Gill - NU Alum - CFL QB with Montreal,  Minor League Baseball
                           Player, Coached at various colleges.
                           Currently QB coach at NU
   
   Mike Gundy - OSU Alum - ??

   Jamelle Hollieway - OU Alum - Knee injury 
   
   Charles Thompson - OU Alum - Prison Term
                      JUCO Student, JUCO QB
-- 
Mark Olson  || marko@IMD.Sterling.COM -or- uunet!sparky!marko
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: Re: OU over OSU woof
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:05:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.224043.6913@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>,
crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins) writes:
> 
>  dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:
> >
> 
> Didn't ou and OSU tie 9-9 today???  I thought I heard that on Longhorn
> Radio during the SMU game.  If so, poor sooners!!! he, he.

How about those Horn Frogs...he,he. Get a life. Still the only team that
would go 0-11 and still talk trash.

-- 

Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Coaches DIS the Pac-10
Date: 23 Nov 1992 13:51:57 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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In <1992Nov23.042056.24710@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n8443916@henson.cc.wwu.edu writes:

> 
> 	There are 12 teams in the country better than any team
> in the Pac-10 this year.    NOT!!!!!!!!!
> 
> 	Last time I heard there were 2 Pac-10 coaches in the
> CNN poll.  The rest of the conferences are stiffing the Pac-10.  
> Well, they'll have to pay for it come bowl time.

  Umm, last year the coaches gave Udub a share of the MNC.  Suddenly they are
jerks?


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: A Question
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:59:31 GMT

rszczerb@hollerith.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

>According to the new Bowl Coalition, if Miami and FSU
>finish the season #1 and #2, does Miami have to play
>Florida State even if they already met once earlier in
>the season, or would Miami have a choice?
  
  Robert Robert Robert - why do you worry yourself so much over this ???

  I've posted the answer no less than 13 times and I always see your
  name so you must have seen at least one of the postings.

  Oh wait !  Maybe you still think a Miami fan couldn't possibly
  remember how the Coalition works - yeah that's it !

  Now , what were we talking about ...............................

  Justin - hated the weather but loved the game in Syracuse - Frederich
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael E. Dupree)
Subject: Re: OU over OSU woof
Originator: zmed0b@zircon
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:23:46 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.212553.28154@Arco.COM>, mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
> In article <1992Nov15.190338.28639@a.cs.okstate.edu>, chen@a.cs.okstate.edu
> (SMITH LISA MIN-YI) writes:
> > In article <1992Nov13.213733.22015@spdc.ti.com>
> > dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:
> > >Useless, if you're not an OU or OSU fan, I guess.  I was just trying to
> > get
> > >a response from a poke fan.  But those are few and far between.  
> > >I suppose you're right, it was useless.
> > 
> > Why respond to a 'useless' article?
> > 
> > Whatcha think about OU going for the tie instead of the win?  Kinda
> > lowering
> > your standards, huh?
> > 
> > - lisa
> > 
> Not really Lisa, it's the way the stupid system works. Are you telling me
> that if OU would have kicked the field goal first that OSU would not have
> done the same thing. Just ask ND, Colorado, Michigan. 
> 
> The two things that College Football needs NOW is:
> 
>              1.  A tie breaker.
>              2.  A play-off system.
> 
> It's funny, I always here coaches say don't let the press pick your
> quarterback. Then answer I want is why do they let them pick the national
> champion? Let's solve it on the field.
> -- 
> 
> Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com

Very True!!  A sudden-death overtime is in dire need for college football.  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Miami scheduling again
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:11:10 GMT

nichols@spss.com (David Nichols) writes:

 snip<  snip<  snip<

>I still don't see why Miami fans have trouble realizing that seldom if
>ever does a team manage to go undefeated without being quite lucky,
>even if they are extremely good. There have been an awful lot of great
>football teams in division 1-A football over the years, but most of
>them didn't win all of their games. Those who did win all of their 
>games generally had a nontrivial chance component play a role in going
>undefeated. Miami is no exception this year. That doesn't mean that
>they aren't good--they are.

Well David, this Miami fan understands. Maybe the fact that my brother
lives in Tallahassee and is a HUGE Florida State fan has something to do
with it I'm not sure.          
Anyway , I was at the Doak last year and I readily admit that the better
team on the field that day was FSU. Miami won but what if the field goal
attempt doesn't miss. 

This year I felt that my Canes were the better team but hell another FSU
kicker missed . Of course, kickers from both teams missed earlier attempts
which was also true in the Arizona game. Luck could have gone either way
on any of those kicks.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu)
Subject: Re: Iowa-Minesota score, anyone?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 21:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.202714.23856@alc.com> stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
>Of course, I expect all you "Pac10 bigots" to make postings complaining
>that a 6-4-1 (or worse!) Pac-10 team should do the honorable thing and
>decline their bid to make room for an obviously more worthy 8-3 Toledo
>(the MAC runner-up).
>
>Now, I've been saying all along that a team's record isn't the most
>important thing in the world (as long as they get the six I-A wins and
>have a decent schedule) -- which means I've been arguing for bowl
>consideration for teams like ASU and UCLA.  But all of those who whined
>about Iowa in the past (and/or are whining about Illinois -- who is also
>6-4-1 now) ought to at least be consistent.
>--
>Chris Stassen			408-943-0630			stassen@alc.com

Actually, I'm not sure UCLA or Arizona State can be considered strong teams
(as far as bowls are concerned).  UCLA put together a great game against
USC, but they've been hampered by injuries all season.  Arizona State
has done well recently, but I don't know much about their early season
schedule.  Arizona has demonstrated it is capable of playing very well,
so I think they do deserve a bid.  That would be five - Washington, Stanford,
Washington St., USC, Arizona.  Not bad, methinks...

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From: jeffq@bang.sps.mot.com (Jeff Quinn)
Subject: Re: TEXAS aTm - got screwed
Organization: MMTG AMCU, Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:54:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.171109.4480@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>Jeff Quinn (jeffq@bang.sps.mot.com) wrote:
>: In article <1992Nov19.152500.26712@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>
>Read this line right here a little closer, Jeff.
>
>: >K. S. Manu (manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
>
>: >: You talked about FSU squeaking by.. How about A&M. They seueaked
>: >: by a Texas Tech by 1 point, the same team which was beaten by
>:         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^             
>: >: 35 pts by a not-so-hot OU. They squeaked past a not-so-hot
>: >: stanford by 3 points. They defeated Baylor by 3-points at
>: >                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: >: home, the same baylor which lost by 20 pts to Colorado.
>: >: Then recently, they defeated a Houston team by 4 pts which
>:                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>: >: was beaten 63-3 by Michigan! Yes, A&M is sure playing like
>: >: a champion.
>: >-- 
>: >Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
>: >scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
>: >(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
>: 
>: FYI: Texas A&M 19 Texas Tech 17
>:      Texas A&M 19 Baylor 13
>:      Texas A&M 38 Houston 30
>: 
>
>Read the "So-and-so wrote:" lines a little closer, Jeff.
>-- 
>Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
>scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
>(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081

Sorry Scott, I was suffering from temporary factual insanity! It was mighty 
maroon of you to point out my oversite.If I wasn't so sick of seeing this post,
I would include a list of what "So-and-so's" wrote to make the point that you
should be responsible for what you post, regardless of whom you plagiarize.
And you could post some equally worthless comeback. And on and on...Give it a
rest.
	Let`s get the squeaker out one more time and get past the always hot on
thanksgiving, check your win loss record at the gate, Texas Longhorns. (They
showed too much class in the Baylor game to be called t.u.)

	(As far as the poles go, I don't know if it would be
to our advantage to beat Texas. If We win, Texas is not ranked and would just be
another victim of our weak schedule. But, if We loose, Texas goes to a bowl and our schedule is tougher.
Yes, thats the ticket, and with the weak schedule argument gone, then We would
be tied with FSU. Right?)

	Gig'em -JDQ 

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:40:31 GMT

In article <23NOV199210425756@sn.jsc.nasa.gov> weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov  
(WEYLAND,MARK) writes:
> In article <1992Nov23.153502.10489@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,  
jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes...
> >Well, it's that time of year again.  We all know that Ohio State has the
> >best marching band (I believe it was empirically proven here a few weeks
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> The Fightn' Texas Aggie Band has NEVER lost a halftime!!!

Is that because there aren't any ranked bands on your schedule?

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
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From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (                               )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Holiday Bowl (Illinois or MSU)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 20:47:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

What IF, there is a tie game in Champaign and Iowa loses to Minnesota???



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From: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)
Subject: Re: Possible #1 vs. #2 matchup in major bowl games.
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:52:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.152624.10084@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:
>Alireza Vali (reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu) wrote:
>: Scenario 4: MNC decided in the Fiesta Bowl.
>: 
>: #1 Miami (11-0) vs. #2 Florida State (10-1)
>: 
>: This one will be possible if, again, Alabama loses, and Michigan is
>: tripped up by Ohio State.  A loss or poor showing by A&M will let FSU
>: jump over them to #2.  I would **LOVE** to see this rematch, and I'm
>: sure it will be an incredible game.
>
>Well, this all of a sudden is a very real possibility... 2 of the 3 'ifs'
>cited above have happened...  (UM tied by Illinois, FSU jumps A&M)
>
>My question is: 
>
>Why in the world would Miami play FSU again?  They already beat them.

Because in the Bowl Coalition if #1 can play #2 they HAVE to.

>Now I know this will bring out cries of "chicken" from the FSU crowd,
>but really, what does Miami have to gain from a rematch?  How could
>they be accused of ducking FSU?  They already played them, AND WON...
>
>So, if they didn't play a rematch, what would happen? (Assuming Alabama
>loses)
>
>ps. - I am DEFINITELY not a Miami fan...
>-- 
>Scott Harper                       Optical Data Systems, Inc.
>scott@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
>(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:06:01 GMT
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In <Af2I2Pm00Uh_M4R1d=@andrew.cmu.edu> William writes:

> In an article <92321.094712JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu> JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
> >Sorry, but Miss.  State was ranked 16 before the game, and is now ranked 18,
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Yeah, so what's your point??????  What does 16th in the nation mean? 
> Not much to me.

  His point, you dingo, is that someone said M.S. was not even ranked, and 
they were, and still are.  Somehow I doubt *any* FB coach worth his salt
will worry plenty about a ranked team.  *That's* why it should mean something
to you.

> >I believe.  Check the facts before you flame next time.
> > 
> >And before you tell anyone else how FSU has trounced everyone except Miami,
> >I suggest you review the Georgia Tech game.
> 
> Did I say every FSU game??????  No, I said the last TWO games.  Can you read?

  Holy spit!  You're woofing about their performance against *Tulane* and the
previous weeks also-ran?


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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