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From: laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Goof2 Stolen at Gunpoint
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:25:19 PDT
Followup-To: liberal plot
Distribution: usa
Organization: DFWM, Inc

In article <1992Aug17.054710.2031@sequent.com>, dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad) writes:

> The liberals of this country will work very hard to be your mom and
> eliminate anything that is different and could be of danger to you.

so far as i can tell by the platform they all kissed this evening, the
hard core conservatives are also doing a damned fine job at
legislating away my rights of choice.  a damned fine job.  makes tears
come to my eyes, thinking about the last 12 years.

ps. don't let your problems with your mother influence how you view
government intrusion.  not all of us are like yours.

-- laurie
____________________________________________________________________
"Never underestimate the ability of a man to underestimate the abil-
ity of a woman."                                   --V.I. Warshawski

laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us                                   DoD #0023
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Popping Them (on a GS)
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:57:09 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <16j79fINNogm@cs.utexas.edu>, osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
> [talking about wheelies]
> 
> Any R100GS or PD owners out there ever manage to wheelie?
> (Not that I'd ever try such a thing, but I'm trying to
> find out if my lack of success is due to technique or
> physical impossibility.)
> 

yup.  witnesses saw me do this in front of al "MHR" bowers' house en route to
the joust. ian (laurie's son) was riding pillion and we had a load of gear. 

open it up in 1st gear and the front fork will decompress, then shut it down
and wait for the nose to reach nadir, then whack it open once again.  the front
end will come up quite easily. 

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: Liberals maligned (was: Goof2 Stolen at Gunpoint)
Originator: btc30679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:37:52 GMT

egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>There's an awful lot of libertarians out there calling themselves
>liberals!

>Folks, liberal is not the only thing to be, if you don't want to be
>conservative.

There seems to be a widespread confusion about the term "Liberal".
This confusion is probably caused by the fact that the US Democratic
Party has co-opted the word, and it now commonly means Tax-n-spend,
big government, social programs, etc.

This is not what "Liberal" used to mean.  Classic Liberalism is very
different from Modern Liberalism; the Libertarian Party's position is
closely related to Classic Liberalism, and the Democratic Party is
that of Modern Liberals.

Classic Liberals probably feel most at home in the Libertarian party:
I know I do.

--
Ben Cox        | Buying a KZ550 TODAY!!! (but don't tell my folks)
thoth@uiuc.edu | DoD#0456
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: want a new horn? (Re: Speaking of Fiamms...)
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:49:45 PDT
Distribution: na
Organization: Disorganized Organization

went to the auto parts club today to buy some oil ($12/case for castrol gtx
10w40) and found that they also had horns (no surprise) at very reasonable
prices.  bought me a 132 decibel (@5ft) horn for $10 and hooked it up to my
XL200L (which has a puny horn).  didn't work :-( oh, i hooked it up ok, but
there was not enough juice to make it run, not even right off the battery. 
worked fine on the Beast tho'.  the horn on my beemr is plenty loud, so i won't
be needing it.  if you want it, send me $6.50 (includes postage) and i'll snail
mail it to you.  FFI:

ps: they had air horns for $18.00, includes a compact compressor and two
different horns. 

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
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From: thompson@Apple.COM (Paul Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: FIAMM buying and Installing ( was Fiamms,Re: cage kill,was: Re: Deer) Kill)))
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:35:19 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine) writes:

>However, the problem is not current flow, it's heat dissipation. 
>14 AWG solid copper is the standard house wire around here and can carry
>15 A continous. 12 guage (assume stranded) wire sounds like major overkill.

There's one other thing to be considered - the voltage drop across the wiring
and switch/relay contacts.  Even a meager half an ohm of resistance will drop
about 5 volts, leaving only 12 - 5 = 7 volts for your horns.  Thus they won't be
nearly as loud as they could be if a heavier gauge wire had been used.  I'd
recommend 14 gauge minimum, and as short of wires as possible.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    DoD #47    Would you remember a 1-line .sig?
From: cantrell@seqp4.sequoia.com (Paul Cantrell)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cager Alert!
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:45:40 GMT
Organization: Sequoia Computer Systems

In article <8133@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au>, ptaplin@escher.arch.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Taplin) writes:
> be seen. It's not "but a motorcycle has such a small area head-on but
> "That car (read 'motorcycle') has only 2 wheels. A 2-wheeled car is a
> conceptual impossibility. I can't *see* conceptual impossibilities,
> therefore I can't see that object I'm about to hit/squish/turn-in-
> front-of/etc".
> 

Maybe we'll start to see fairings which make the bike look like a car?
A big fake grill, fake wheels at each corner, big fins on the back, and
a fake driver with a look of total oblivion painted on the face...

					PC
-- 
cantrell@sequoia.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Visibility
Reply-To: jrd@po.CWRU.Edu (John R. Daker)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 13:01:19 GMT


In a previous article, paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) says:

>In article <165vkrINNc25@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>+In article 15925@i88.isc.com, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>+>
>+>Face it, Chuck.  Taken as an aggregate, the human race is a stupid,
>+>sorry lot.
>+
>+NOT!
>+
>+We only get stupid when put in cages.
>
>That is what we said: "Humans get stupid when they aggregate in cages".
>Can't you read?????

Sorry guys, but you're severely wrong.  As a percentage, idiot dumbass
cyclists are more common than idiot dumbass cagers.  The idiot on his
MC who cuts in and out of traffic during rush hour without signaling, or
looking for that matter.  The jerk squid in his thongs, t-shirt, and shorts,
who is wearing a helmet, but his similarly atttired girlfriend isn't.
The obnoxious bastard with drag pipes than likes to cruis through the
neighborhood at 2 am.  And why is it so cool to ride certain cruisers
without the headlight on?  Is it supposed to make you more stealthy?
Sheeeeeit.

Hate to rain on everyone's parade, but motorcyclists are (GASP!) not
perfect drivers either.  
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------>DarkMan-------->
Case Western Reserve University,  Cleveland, Ohio            DoD #650
Anyone know where a mechanical engineer can get a job?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone)
Subject: Re: Helmet forehead welts & itching
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:00:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.202017.28174@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>The answer is simple:  Buy a helmet that fits properly in the first place.
>Aside from getting my hair mussed up, I've never had any marks from
>the helmet.
>-- 
>Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation


Grrr.  Simple for you-a maybe, monkey-boy.  Just because your head
fits neatly into the designer's norm, you can make this smug little
statement.  However, *some of us* have larger cranial capacity (not
saying it's USED, necessarily), and buy the largest helmet we can
find, and it STILL IS TOO TIGHT FROM FRONT TO BACK.

Believe me, I tried on about a thousand helmets.  The one that didn't
cause extreme pain, I bought.  Now I just have to solve this little
forehead problem.

"The answer is simple."   Grrrrr.  Oh ye of little head...


 Phil Stone         (phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov | ...ames!eos!phil)
 '83 R80ST               DoD #95              "Motorcycles OK"
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip-Off
	<13335@pogo.wv.tek.com> <ohi82i4@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:35:41

"ptar" == Pierre Tardif <ptar@junkyard.asd.sgi.com> writes:

ptar> This is what your agent is telling you. It is not a State Farm
ptar> policy.  I have motorcycle insurance with State Farm and I don't
ptar> have a car.

Likewise, when I called State Farm today, they did not ask if I
already had a policy with them.  They quoted me a price and said I
could come in at <foo> to sign the papers.

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '91 CB750, DoD# 0378
   "It's not his fault that he can't behave, Society's made him go astray..
                                 - Oingo Boingo
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:54:20 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


laurie@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Laurie Abbott) writes:

>you GUYS.  to imagine that people PAY you to think for a living. 

You bet they do.  I'm a librarian!!!

>you just get the address, go down to city hall and look up the address
>in the tax records.  it'll tell you who owns the property and how much
>they paid in taxes on it last year.  

BZZT!  This will only tell you the owner, not who lives there.

>or you can go to the local public
>library and look up the address in a reverse telephone directory. 

Very good, just like I said a few days ago!

8-)
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (Bob Pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:49:11 GMT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <1992Aug14.201502.306011@locus.com>, dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug13.220924.2802530@locus.com> dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
>>>Who else has discovered that countersteering does not appear to work
>>>correctly on shaft-drive motorcycles?
> Here we go again, with physics and all that. Everytime someone utters
> "countersteering" it isn't maybe 20 minutes later that someone goes
> and drags physics into it! I can barely believe it! On top of that,
> none of my bikes ever studied physics!
> 
>   Now, do you think it is shaft-effect which cancels out the counter-
> steering input?

i think you're right on the money dana.  since i've been riding shafties
for way too long, i hadn't noticed that my countersteering habits had gone
to hell in a hand basket: you really have to learn how NOT to countersteer
(or counter-countersteer :-) to ride a shaftie.  since i bought the XL200
with chain drive, i've realized how much i had forgotten.

>   Is this more pronounced on bikes with longer rake and trail ?

well, my V65 sabre had a longer rake and trail and it required much
more counter-countersteering effort to get it to turn than either of
my BMWs,so i guess the answer must be yes.

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: scott@sgisupport.lerc.nasa.gov (SGI_Junkie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Driving not riding
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:24:13 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]

In article <BD.92Aug11083355@fluent.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>
>Things may be different in the U.K., but in this part of the U.S. that's what 
>you're supposed to do.  The middle lane is the lane for travelling through, 
>the right lane is for entering and exiting traffic, and the left lane is for 
>passing the people in the middle lane who are going too slow for you.  


    The problem is even when the Exit ramps are 10 to 15 miles apart
    PEOPLE STILL DRIVE IN THE CENTER LANE, no traffic at all in the right
    lane, but thats ok since it gives my good cover from the police when
    I do 90 in the right lane!. FLames to /dev/null.
.


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From: martin@adpgate.UUCP (Martin Golding)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:04:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: adpplz.1499
Organization: ADP Dealer Services R&D, Portland, OR

> In article 9407@tcsi.com, skao@booboo.tcs.com (Simon Kao) writes:

>> .... [David said] you simply need to push on the gas tank with your knee
>> to make the bike steer. This doesn't sound like counter-steering at all.

>> To which I say: Yes, it is, but it's hidden from the user. That is to
>> say, if you use your left knee to push against the tank, in order to
>> balance yourself, you will unconciously lessen your push on the left
>> handlebar, which is equivalent to pushing the right handlebar, which 
>> results in countersteering to instigate a turn to the right.

egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

> I concur.


Then you are an idiot (and I mean that in the nicest way). OK, not an
idiot, exactly, nobody really needs to _know_ this stuff, as long as
whatever they do works, and as long as they _do_ know to _countersteer_,
which can be lifesaving in an emergency.

> And the fact that Reg Pridmore can sit astride a BMW on its centerstand
> and rock the bike back and forth with his lower body means less than
> nothing, in terms of steering it on the track.

I have two BMW's. On one of them I can steer with _no_ hands. That is,
off the centerstand, at speed, I can rock the bike back and forth with
my lower body and therefore steer it. Hell, my _wife_ can sit on the _back_
and change lanes at will. Steering any two wheeled vehicle is done by a
combination of weight shifting and countersteering. Some people on some
bikes may choose to use mostly one or the other end of the continuum.
With the relatively flexible frame of the earlier BMW's, using weight
more than countersteering makes great sense. It is possible, with at
least some of my bikes, to generate enough turning force by shifting
my weight that my handlebar input appears to be counter-countersteering,
that is, that I can turn hard enough that the handlebars are needed to
limit the turn instead of increase it.


The other BMW, interestingly enough, does not respond to countersteering,
or weight control. Except for absolutely straight travel down smooth hiways
I have to keep my hands on the bars at all times.


          Martin Golding             |  Handling is a concept 
DoD #236 BMWMOA #55952 WMTC #0002    |   that doesn't apply to sidecars.
[motcsd!]mcspdx!adpgate!martin
From: rosann@sparc2.prime.com (Rosann Fitzpatrick)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:47:33 GMT
Reply-To: rosann@sparc2.UUCP (Rosann Fitzpatrick)
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA

In article <l8nv5kINN6lu@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> rja@batcomfs.Eng.Sun.COM (rja@sun.com) writes:
>    My thoughts on cars & bikes runs along this line: if you're on a
>    bike, and your soft, squishable body is endangered by some asshole
>    in a car, don't aggravate the situation, possibly inducing your
>    own death, by giving him shit.  Don't get mad.  Get even.  Carry
>    a pouch of caltrops, or some ball bearings, or a spray can of
>    paint stripper.  Apply it, then leave quickly.

One of my biker friends in Chicago, a vintage out-law biker kinda guy, 
quietly charismatic, IRA member, poet, was lane-splitting down Lake Shore
Drive in stop-and-go traffic.  A guy pulled out in front of him, sending
him and his passenger and his Motoguzzi to the pavement.  He took
his revenge by pulling out his switchblade, calmly approaching the offending
car and slashing each one of his tires.  Then he and his passenger got
back on the bike and rode away.  Vigilante justice.

Rosann
DoD#607
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CA Rain Grooves (Was Chaps and grooves)
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:51:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer

> Does the lack of rain in CA cause the roads to build up oil and rubber
> such that when it *does* rain it's much worse than we're used to here
> in the East? Or is it just assumed to be a "good idea" by CA highway
> engineers?

You get the award! That's why they do it... and I've seen it everywhere
across the US now.

> Final question: if they were to grove the pavement left to right, rather
> than in the direction of travel, would that solve the wobble problem for
> bikes? I can see that it would be more difficult to cut the concrete that
> way, but I've always wondered how you ride on on grooved pavement. The few
> places I've done it in the East, I haven't liked it one bit.

Cross grooving would make your car or bike vibrate itself to death very 
quickly. It's an effective way of cutting the speed limit back to about 
15 MPH. Longitudinal grooving is almost impossible to detect in a car. ON 
a bike fitted with the right tires, it is similarly innocuous, although a
bit
unsettling at first. Some bike and tire combinations are really bad on this

kind of surface.
========
Godfrey DiGiorgi | ramarren@apple.com | DoD #0493
"Logic may be the beginning of wisdom, but logic never bought
 me a Ducati."
 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati.
 Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.
Honda VFR700 Intercepter 1987, "Bright White"
Ducati 750GT             1975, "Thunder"
Ducati 250 Mk III Diana  1966, sleeping beauty
Toyota MR2               1985, "VSSC"
========
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: drinckes@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Re: Countersteering a shafty
Organization: TSSC via NEC America Switching Divison.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:20:06 GMT

In article <BtAy6q.6on@Caere.COM> mojo@Caere.COM (Morris Jones) writes:
>hull@tegra.COM (Andy Hull) writes:
>>  With chain drive, when you roll on the throttle the rear end squats down
>>which will unload weight from the front end.  With shaft drive rolling on the
>>trottle will make the rear end stand up, which will transfer weight to the
>>front end.
>etc. etc.
>
    [ basically sez what? ]

Answer:
Whether the rear end squats down or stands up is nothing to do with 
having shaft drive.  If you have shaft drive, if the bevel gear is forward
of the axle, you will have the rear standing up, a la BMW.

If the bevel gear is rearward of the axle, the rear will tend to squat, 
a la Ural (made in USSR).

Oops, I don't mean USSR of course, whatever they call themselves this week.

The tricky physics stuff is actually obvious once you think about it, and
has to do with in which direction is the force operating on the wheel.

Chain drive PULLS the TOP of the sprocket towards the engine.  This is higher
than the axle, and so compresses the swing arm upwards.

BMW shaft drive exhibits downward force on the wheel, forward of 
the axle and so extends the rear suspension, while the ural is similar to
the chain drive bike.

All this is presupposing you don't have such abominations as paralevers, 
rigid rear suspension, etc.

Love and kisses,


Doug Rinckes, Network Administrator
Telecommunications Systems Support Centre New Zealand Ltd  
drinckes@nzl.abk.nec.co.jp     | 1976 BMW R100S + 41mm Dell'Ortos = fast
voice: (64) 4 4726947 xtn 828  |
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From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Leaning
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:41:47 GMT
Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance


I haven't noticed any problems with left hand versus right hand turns, but I 
get intimidated by downhill turns. The steeper the turn, the harder time I 
have with extreme lean angles. I'm sure part of it is the increased 
tendencany to accelerate through the turn,  but I think most of it is 
psychological. Most of my peg scraping seems to happen on uphill turns.

 - Steve - DoD # 1951
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195
From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Low Budget "Supertrapp" & Exhaust Paint Question
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:52:30 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (The Nashville Flash) says:
> 
> Last Thursday the [muffler] blew off on the freeway ....
> After two hours of searching on the bike and on foot, I gave up.  
> If *you* think that finding a lost object on the freeway and/or shoulder is 
> an easy task, then you have probably not had the "pleasure."

In a way, you're lucky you didn't find it.

If anyone has a similar experience, here's a tip: DO NOT PICK UP THE
EXHAUST PIPE. It just came off a running motorcycle; it's DAMN HOT,
dimwit! If you must pick it up, keep your gloves on, or you'll have
blisters for weeks afterwards.

....paul (damn, that hurt!)

-- 
Paul Spencer                 Silicon Graphics Advanced Graphics Division
spencer@sgi.com                                Mountain View, California
From: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Current Harley Craze and Women
Date: 17 Aug 1992 17:49:31 GMT
Reply-To: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Parsons)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: mparsons@fleming.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Aug17.171654.2391@sei.cmu.edu>, dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
|> 
|> Ed Green (egreen@East.Sun.COM) sez:
|> |> So what if yuppies are buying Harleys?  Good for them, it's more sales
|> |> for HD.
|> 
|> Best of all, it means that there'll be a huge number of lightly used Harleys
|> on the market in a few years.

BINGO!!! That's what I'm waiting for . . . . 

Mark "Papa wants a lightly used Fat Boy" Parsons
From: jet@win30.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: If money grew on trees...
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:18:14 GMT
	<171bg4INN6h2@cs.utexas.edu>
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames

"osborn" == John Howard Osborn <osborn@cs.utexas.edu> writes:

osborn> Is a
osborn> Goldwing the ultimate Ironbutt bike?

According to the last "I wuz there" Iron Butt article, yes.  Although
some geezer rode it on a gsxr1100...

osborn> Side story: Last year, Eric Townsend and I drove a rental
osborn> Toyota from Houston to Las Vegas for SIGgraph.

Non-stop, I might add....

osborn> every bike we saw was a Goldwing, by easily a 10-1 margin.  I
osborn> was amused but it got the point that Eric would cringe
osborn> whenever we saw one.  :)

Ha.  

Even more amusing is that most of the Harley's we saw were in the back
of trucks... :-)



--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
           '91 CB750, soon to be replaced by a '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
      "Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads.  Heads." -- R & G Are Dead