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From: knop@dutecad.et.tudelft.nl (Peter Knoppers)
Subject: Re: Eurocheque (EC) card as ATM card in the USA
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:07:10 GMT

wtho@ciba-geigy.ch (Tom Hofmann) writes:

>bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
>>A Dutch friend of mine was able to use his Eurocheque card in North
>>American ATM machines.

>Did somebody make the same or the opposite experience?
>Does it depend on the country where the EC card has been issued?

It may be true that some Dutch banks issue Eurocheque cards that
pretend to be a visa or mastercard when inserted in an ATM. The
Dutch Postbank issues a card (giromaatpas) that is not a Eurocheque
card, but serves a similar purpose (ID for guaranteed cheques).
This giromaatpas pretends to be a mastercard when used in an ATM
outside the Netherlands. This is implemented in a joint venture
with the European representation of mastercard (eurocard).

Peter Knoppers - knop@duteca.et.tudelft.nl
From: U48073@uicvm.uic.edu (Cole Kendall)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: No smoking to Europe response
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:23:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92283.152345U48073
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <1992Oct8.140054.15632@pencom.com>, twriter1@pencom.com says:
>
      [deletia]

>                         (Although the prospect of no
>non-smoking hotel rooms is a little daunting.  Anyone have
>info about camping in Europe?  Another thread)

A number of hotel chains feature non-smoking rooms in Europe.
The Hilton in Vienna, for example, has a non-smoking floor.

Cole Kendall
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: matchowr@nuscc.nus.sg (Chow Richard (Dr))
Subject: India
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:58:32 GMT

Hello,
I'm in the midst of planning a semi-budget trip to India.
Unfortunately, I seem to have accidently deleted numerous
India travelogues and anecdotes posted here a while back
which I had dutifully filed away.  There was one in particular
which was rather long, written by a woman, if I remember correctly,
which I would like to see again.  Anyway, if anybody has any of
this filed away or any advice, suggestions, must-sees, must-avoids, etc. 
for somebody's first trip to India, I would be very grateful for e-mail 
or postings.  Thanks.

Richard
matchowr@nuscc.nus.sg
From: hwc@sei.cmu.edu (Howard Chien)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Info Neede: Cancun in late March
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:25:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Oct15.192513.10795
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

Has anyone any interesting information about Cancun?  Perhaps some past 
experience? How is it as a spring break getaway ? (away from Florida, that is)

What I am specifically looking for is suitability for collge students, places
to visit and explore, dive shops, hotel recommendations, and a general
relaxation  rating.


Much appreciatively,
Howie.
From: c059vin@utarlg.uta.edu (DANIEL VINCENT)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: info on travel to UK
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:31:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: utarlg.14OCT199216315397
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'm planning on a trip to UK and would appreciate any kind of advice about the
trip. I'm planning on going north to scotland and would like to know any real 
good places to see and about some good cheap accomadation.
I would also appreciate any info about mode of travel thruout the UK.
Would appreciate your reply to my mail address. 
Thank You
Daniel Vinent
c059vin @ utarlg.uta.edu
OR
c059vin @ utarlvm1.uta.edu.
From: autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: No smoking response
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:50:13 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, St. Louis, MO
NNTP-Posting-Host: sgistl.stlouis.sgi.com

In article <1992Oct8.140054.15632@pencom.com> twriter1@pencom.com writes:
>Thank you everyone for your feedback.
>
>It has been requested that I post the responses to
>my question about non-smoking flights to Europe.
>
Any volunteers to write a FAQ list section on smoking, both US and
international?

Thanks,
--
Larry Autry
Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
autry@sgi.com
From: bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Exchanging money in Europe
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:00:09 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Oct8.093917.7775@rz-berlin.mpg.de> schindler@rz-berlin.mpg.de writes:
>
>My impression of the situation is the following:
>
>1. One major system in Europe are Eurocheques and the Eurocheque card.
>Unfortunately for you North Americans in Europe and us Europeans in
>North America there is no link to North American banks.
>
A Dutch friend of mine was able to use his Eurocheque card in North
American ATM machines.  I don't know if it works the other way around.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Subject: current weather in St. Louis
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:37:51 GMT

Hi,

can someone please tell me what the weather is like in St.Louis MO
currently and what the forecast is for this week?

Thanks
Michael
From: 76702.1202@CompuServe.COM (Charlie Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: *NEW* TRAVEL INFORMATION -- Latvia
Date: 14 Oct 1992 07:06:40 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Latvia
============================================================
Latvia - Consular Information Sheet
 October 7, 1992

Embassy Location:  The U.S. Embassy in Latvia is located at Raina 
Boulevard 7 in Riga; telephone (013-2) 210-005 or (013-2) 210-006.

Country Description:  Latvia is a newly independent nation 
undergoing profound economic and political changes.  Street 
demonstrations and other disturbances related to outstanding 
disputes may occur without warning.  Tourist facilities are not 
highly developed, and many of the goods and services taken for 
granted in western countries are not yet available.

Entry Requirements: Visas are required and may be obtained in 
advance through the Latvian Embassy.  Latvian visas are valid for 
entry to Estonia and Lithuania and visas issued by Estonia or 
Lithuania are likewise valid for entry to Latvia.  Travelers who 
plan to enter Russia or another member of the Commonwealth of 
Independent States, even in transit, will also need a Russian visa.  
Further information concerning entry requirements for Latvia, can be 
obtained by contacting the Embassy of Latvia at 4325 17th Street 
N.W., Washington, DC 20011, tel: (202) 726-8213.

Medical Facilities:  Medical care in Latvia is limited.  There is a 
severe shortage of basic medical supplies, including disposable 
needles, anesthetics, and antibiotics.  Doctors and hospitals often 
expect immediate cash payment for health services.  U.S. medical 
insurance is not always valid outside the United States.  Travelers 
have found that in some cases, supplemental medical insurance with 
specific overseas coverage has proved to be useful.  Further 
information on health matters can be obtained from the Centers for 
Disease Control's international travelers hotline on (404) 332-4559.

Crime Information: Latvia has a low rate of violent crime.  
Recently, however street crime has increased especially at night 
near major hotels and restaurants.  Robberies also occur on trains 
and in train stations.  The Department of State's pamphlet "A Safe 
Trip Abroad" is available from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. 
Government Printing Office, Washington, DC 20402.  It provides 
useful information on guarding valuables and protecting personal 
security while traveling abroad.

Other Information: Latvia is a cash-only economy.  Traveler's 
checks and credit cards are rarely accepted.

Drug Penalties:  Penalties for possession, use, or dealing of 
illegal drugs are strict, and convicted offenders can expect jail 
sentences and fines.

Registration: Americans who register at the U.S. Embassy or 
consulate may obtain updated information on travel and security 
within the country.

 No. 92-030
From: smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Mexico Air Taxi -- Oaxaca to Puerto Escondido
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:54:40 GMT
Organization: NYU Stern School of Business

I've been to Oaxaca, but did not go to PE, I went to Puerto Arista
instead, which I really liked, but that is neither here nor there.  As
regards your question, the 1992 Mexico and Central America Handbook,
pp. 229-30, says: "Daily flights to PE, 40 mins., e.g. Aerolibertad;
Aerovias Oaxaquen~as at 1100, returns at 0730 or 1200; Lineas Aereas
Oaxaquen~as flu at 1030 Mon-Sat and 830 Sun.  Costs US$44 one way, but
all PE planes (Dominant Coalition-3s) break down frequently, and for
several days, rough ride back if no plane, 9 hrs at least."

SJM
From: twriter1@pencom.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Smoke-free travel question
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:53:44 GMT
Reply-To: twriter1@pencom.com
Organization: Pencom Software

My husband and I would like to take a trip to Europe
one of these days.  The problem is he is EXTREMELY 
sensitive to cigarette smoke (projectile vomiting, etc.).
The non-smoking section of an airplane just wouldn't do
the trick for him I fear.  He has said he would wear
an oxygen mask (or gas mask--I'm not sure what it is, but
it's huge) for the flight over. I'm afraid he'd be horribly uncomfortable.  

Has anyone out there had this problem and overcome it 
somehow?  Is there any way to get to Europe in a 
non-smoking environment other than on a ship?

Any help would be appreciated.

Tanya
twriter1@pencom.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: lzs@indetech.com ()
Subject: Car Rental in Italy?
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:59:16 GMT

I am going to (mostly Northern) Italy next month, and need some advice
about renting a car. Please don't tell me to take trains instead. 
The time waiting for train connections is worth the extra money we
will spend on renting a car.

We will be in Italy 22-23 days, and fly into/out of Milan airport.

I have checked numerous companies that suggest we pre-pay for the
car now. These are wholesalers who then send you a voucher, which you
present to the rental company they indicate (example: Italy By Car
contracts with Budget Rent-a-Car).

The rates at all these agencies include all sorts of surcharges:
	19% VAT
	10% Airport surcharge
	Charges for "theft protection"
	Optional collision damage insurance

All these charges really add up; sometimes adding more than $150 to the 
price of the car! I will call my insurance agent today to ask his advice
about the collision and theft insurance. Of course, the VAT is unavoidable.

If you have been this route before, please send me some information about
your experiences with renting a car in Italy or Europe in general. This
"we send you a voucher" stuff kind of makes me nervous. We also thought
we might avoid the airport surcharge by just taking a bus into town
or a suburb and renting from there. 

I appreciate any advice my fellow netters can provide, and I thank
you all in advance.

-Lynn


-- 
Lynn Schneider              lzs@indetech.com
{sun,sharkey,pacbell}!indetech!lzs
Fremont, CA
 
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: fm13@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de ()
Subject: Re: Vancouver BC, west side, where to stay?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:45:07 GMT
Organization: RUM
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Just one thing:
No matter how low your budget is, do not stay in the Vancouver Youth Hostel 
(Just east of downtown). I made that mistake a couple of weeks ago. Not only
that you won't get any sleep as there are approx. 30 people in each room to
make sure that light is burning all night and the doors are being slammed
every five minutes and the mattrasses are about 3 centimeters, they even 
charged me almost CAN$20 for that night (as a non-member). I would rather
spend the 20 bucks in alcohol to be able to sleep in the park, probably a
great deal more convenient!

Andreas
fm13@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: bsloan@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (bill sloan)
Subject: Re: Florida
Organization: nasa
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:25:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.232147.23992@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer) writes:
> 
> >> Be aware that it's a four hour drive to Key West from Ft.
> >> Lauderdale.  It can be longer if there is traffic on the
> >> road going down there.
> 
> >Also keep in mind that there's only one road to the keys, U.S. 1, and it is
> >also the main road to Homestead and Florida City.
> 
NOT STRICTLY TRUE!  The Florida Turnpike meets US 1 South of Florida City.
This is a MUCH better way to get to the keys; and skirts/avoids the worst 
damaged areas.  Traffic in the Keys can be heavy - especially on weekends and
holidays.
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:34:32 -0400 
From: Simon Peter Gatrall <sg1q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Passport Application Time???

I will be travelling to Paris in November (4th through 14th to be
exact).  I already have the Passport Application Form, and I plan on
going to a post office tomorrow to get it processed.  How long will it
take to get my passport back?  Do they have any sort of rush service?

-s!mon
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: jdavis@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Jim Davis)
Subject: Re: Time Share Vacations
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 18:18:14 GMT

In article <Bv1FLG.AM8@news.larc.nasa.gov> vac@air16.larc.nasa.gov (Victor A. Carreno) writes:
>In article <2140160@otter.hpl.hp.com> you write:
>|> Two questions:
>|> 	1) do want to "have" to spend all of your vacations in the same place
>|> 	   at the same time of year (I'd quickly get bored, I wan to find new
>|> 	   places from my holidays)
>|> 	2) when you want/need to get rid of the timeshare, how easy is it
>|> 	   (there are horror stories of people being trapped by maintenance
>|> 	   et ccharges they cannot afford, and who are thus willing to give
>|> 	   the timeshare away)
>
As a satisfied timeshare owner I want to put my 2 cents worth in.  I've 
owned timeshares for nearly 10 years now and have been very happy since I've
learned the best way to buy them and maximize their use to my needs.

First, in buying LOOK AT THE RESALE MARKET! That's the best way to buy.
Second, if you're not going to use it, don't buy.  Its not an investment. 
Third, get in a good exchange program.  I use RCI and am reasonably satisfied.
Lastly, get involved!  Be aware of what the Directors are doing and help 
manage the complex in some manner if you can.  Anybody can get ripped off
if you just let it happen.

I've exchanged for many different places and enjoy it.  Sure beats a hotel!>
From: loreen@raider.SanDiego.NCR.com (Loreen Prinz)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Australia tips
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:32:07 GMT
Reply-To: Loreen.Prinz@SanDiego.NCR.com
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA


Thanks to all of you who responded to my "what to do in Australia"
question.  Especially those containing trip reports.  Everything was very
helpful.  My friends and I have pretty much decided on where to go now.
The current plan is to fly into Sydney, travel to Tasmania via Canberra and
Melbourne, probably by car or bus.  Then we'll fly to Cairns and spend a
few days there before going sailing on the Reef.

Now the question is, does anyone have any suggestions for must-eat-at
restaurants along the way?  How about clubs in Sydney?  Or anywhere else
for that matter.  Interesting things to see that wouldn't necessarily be in
a tour guide?

Send your suggestions!

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Software Engineer                              16550 W. Bernardo Drive
loreen@raider.sandiego.ncr.com                 San Diego, CA 92127
(619) 485-3574                                 (619) 485-2598 (fax)

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Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 01:35:00 CET
From: <KCHAN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Eurocheque (EC) card as ATM card in the USA
 <1992Oct13.200710.1690@donau.et.tudelft.nl>

Look at the back of your ATM/bank/credit/debit/charge/EC card. If it has logos
with the following names: CIRRUS, PLUS, STAR, INTERLINK, then it is more than
likely it will work in an ATM in the USA which has at least one of these
logos posted on it. These are the names of 4 major ATM networks in the USA -
there a quite a few more but I do not have a list of them on hand (these are
the ones on my own set of cards). Beware - not all of them are nationwide, in
fact probably NONE of them are nationwide - no doubt due to the fragmented
US banking system.

The above does not of course preclude ATMs that will accept Mastercard and
Visa.

I have personally used my US ATM card in a Midland Bank ATM in London which
had the Star and Cirrus logos on it. Did not withdraw any money though, just
to access the machine to see if it really worked with my card!


-----
Khee Chan
PROFS: esoc(kchan)   BITNET/EARN: kchan@esoc   SPAN: jplsp::kchan
INTERNET: kchan@jplsp.jpl.nasa.gov             COMPUSERVE: 73750,1402
I speak for no-one, and no-one speaks for me, sometimes not even myself!
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Singapore air tix cheap
Keywords: singapore, air, tickets, travel
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:21:58 GMT

John.Risk@bbs.oit.unc.edu (John Risk) wrote: 
->2.  Timing.  This is somewhat random, since price changes are unannounced.
-> You could possibly save by buying early, or you could hope for a price war.

if you buy early and a price war follows, you can GENERALLY (not
always, but often) "downgrade" to the lower fare and get a refund of
the difference minus some transaction fee (between $25-$100, depending
on the rules associated with the original ticket).

->3.  Find someone who owns the ticket you want, and is no longer going to
->use it.

this won't work for an international flight unless you look like the
person who won't be using the ticket and will be travelling with their
passport (in short: this won't work).

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Also travelling to DC
From: jakrute@acs.harding.edu
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:56:33 -0500
Reply-To: jakrute@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

I'm spending Christmas (3 weeks) in the DC area AGAIN.  I went there last
year and did all the typical "touristy" things.  I've been to DC several
times, also the Williamsburg area.  Does anyone have any unique ideas/
place to visit.  I already have accomodations (my parents).  I love the
Georgetown scene, antique stores and UNUSUAL historical locations.  I've
seen every shopping mall in the area (unless there's a really obscure one).
Any recommendations would be extremely appreciated.  Please send e-mail to

JAKRUTE@acs.harding.edu.

Thanx much,
CyberBanshee
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Smoke-free travel question
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:25:29 GMT

->jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
->
->>Another idea is suggested by something I read about the El Al Amsterdam
->>crash: that cargo plane was carrying one passenger.  So at least some
->>airlines take passengers on cargo planes, and if you could also ensure that
->>your crew didn't smoke, that would solve your problem. 

presumably, that "passenger" was an el al staff member dead-heading,
and not a commercial passenger.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: alie@aslslc115.asl.dl.nec.com (Andrew Lie)
Subject: Tickets Forsale: West Palm Beach, FL ==> Phillie
Organization: NEC America, Inc. Irving, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:52:54 GMT

The following air tickets are available for sale:

1. A round-trip ticket from West Palm Beach, Florida to Phillie
   Ticket is for a female.
   American Airline
   Leaving WPB on December 5, 1992 (noon)
   Returning from Phillie on December 14, 1992 (evening).

2. A round-trip ticket from West Palm Beach, Florida to Phillie
   Ticket is for a male.
   American Airline
   Leaving WPB on December 10, 1992 (afternoon)
   Returning from Phillie on December 14, 1992 (evening).

Travelling dates can be changed for $25.00 extra.
If interested, make me an offer (min. $175/ticket).
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,misc.legal
Subject: Re: guns & travel
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:17:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <DMERCER.92Oct14132059@ap1pyr.oracle.com>, dmercer@oracle.com (David Mercer) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.151350.28175@chpc.org> rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes:
> >NYC has some of ths strictest gun control in the nation.  Except for
> >a "continuous and uninterrupted trip" (provided for in a 1986 Federal law),
> >civilians may not posess any sort of firearms within the city without
> >a license.  Rifle & shotgun licenses are difficult to get; handgun
> >licenses (particularly those for self protection) are issued only to
> >the most powerful, connected, and influential people (Donald Trump,
> >Howard Stern, and former mayor John Lindsay had no trouble getting 
> >their applications approved).
> 
> I've always been under the impression that gun control laws
> had some sort of loophole that would enable legislators to
> claim that they do not violate your constitutional rights.

When the Sullivan Law was passed, the courts were sufficiently
concerned about that in New York to argue that a handgun wasn't
the class of arm to be protected, because it wasn't one of "the
arms of a militiaman or soldier," quoting a decision by the
Texas Supreme Court that specifically said that handguns WERE
militia arms.[People Ex. Rel. Darling v. Warden of City Prison,
139 N.Y.S. 277, 154 App. Div. 413, 422, 29 N.Y.Cr. 74 (1913)]

When the issue of regulating rifles and shotguns came up in 1968,
the New York courts cited the Darling decision that the state had
the authority to regulate or restrict handguns, but ignored that
the same decision had claimed militia arms (like rifles) were
protected by the New York Civil Rights Law.[Grimm v. City of New
York, 56 Misc.2d 525, 289 N.Y.S.2d 358 (1968)]  They also admitted
in that decision that the law wasn't intended to disarm criminals.

> So how can I, citizen Joe, not rich or powerful, exercise my
> constitutional right to keep and bear arms in NYC?
> 
> ---David B. Mercer

You probably can't.


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.