HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: usenet@ra.oc.com
Subject: Ftpd
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:59:32 GMT


For those interested, I took Pinkfish's version of ftpd ( which can be
found in the Discworld driver ) and ported to HPUX.  I also changed
a bunch dealing valid_read/valid_write for people connecting.  You
can get this source from  merlin.etsu.edu (anonymous, ftp).
It's under the /lpmud directory and the filename is FTPD.tar.Z

Also, I put some 'termcap' patches in the file TERM.tar.Z if you want
to look into this.  This TERM.tar.Z contains some files and a README
file which explains what to do with each file.  They are basically
additions you make to your current 3.x driver.  Also, the files
work under HP...I haven't tested them for Sun/NeXT systems.  The termcap
stuff contains two new efuns:   tgoto() and tgetstr().  You can 
do:   man tgoto or man tgetstr on your unix system to find out what they
do.  In short, they allow your game to support termcap that unix
recognizes so that you can do lots of fancy things.

Again, both these files, FTPD.tar.Z and TERM.tar.Z can be gotten
at merlin.etsu.edu anonymously in the /lpmud directory.  Send all
email to decker@merlin.etsu.edu.   Thanx.





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Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.lp
From: death@buhub.bradley.edu (Dustin Slater)
Subject: Re: lusty sux
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 22:13:04 GMT

In <1992Sep13.024504.3371@nmsu.edu> slayer@acca.nmsu.edu (Slayer) writes:

> LUSTY IS A FUCKEN BITCH, WITH A MAJOR STICK UP HER BIG FAT HAIRY ASS.
> I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO LOG ON AND CUSS. THE ADRRESS FOR HER DAM GAME IS       LUSTY.TAMU.EDU 2000 

>                 SINCERLY
>                  THE PLAYERS

For one, you do not speak for all the players. When i have talked to lusty,
or asked her for help she has been nothing but helpful, as all of the
wizards are. Also, it is a shame that a prick like you uses the login
Slayer. I think the group would be embarrased of you. I am depressed that
tamu has cut off telnet, and patiently wait for them to allow it again.
(hurry hurry hurry). 

Archmage
--
death@buhub.bradley.edu                              death@camelot.bradley.edu

                 Death will come easy, just close your eyes.... 
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.lp
From: tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau)
Subject: Re: yea lusty is dead!!!!!!!!
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:11:25 CDT

In article <1992Sep11.152600.2036@nmsu.edu> slayer@acca.nmsu.edu (Slayer) writes:
>	THANK GOD IS IT DEAD,YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DIED LUSTY LABOR DAY WEEKEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Where's my #@^%@^$#*& shotgun??


Also, does anyone know where I can get a modem communication program for
an IBM that will allow me to dump text into ed from a local file into
a remote ed, w/o losing text...

Kariel.
From: ak853@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Blade)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.lp
Subject: Re: SysAdmins and other people in high positions at sites should read this!
Date: 5 Sep 1992 23:20:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ak853@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Blade)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, njal@engin.umich.edu (David Schairer) says:

>Lesser importance?  I'd be happy to compare Overdrive versus Rogue (which I've
>never heard of) any time, and I'm sure our respective players would be willing
>to do so as well.
	Personally, I like Rogue more than Overdrive. I've played both.
Oh well. :)  Let's not compare muds. Muds are an opinion, not a fact.

>Have you seen the prices for internet connections recently?  I hope you
>own a small Persian Gulf nation...
>
	I can get a connection for only $1200/yr.. not too expensive.
But it'll only run at 9600 baud max.. which in itself, isn't that bad,
considering I've run a connection at 2400 baud before.. :)

>
>
>Talyessin@Overdrive, who also needs a site (free, please :) ).  Overdrive
>is a very fine mud in need of a home; please contact me at njal@
>aal.itd.umich.edu or david_schairer@um.cc.umich.edu.
>

	Magician@MagicMud/BloodBath, who also needs a site.  MagicMud is
a rather under-developed (don't have a machine) mud, and is trying some
very out-landish things.  BloodBath is a mud I began to write for a
friend in Austrailia, who apparently never got the machine we hoped for.
It is a Genocide-ish mud, and would incorporate several ideas from the
players, as I feel a mud should be relatively democratically run. :)
From: bz745@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Carol M Dennis)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.lp
Subject: Re: What happened to LustyMud?
Date: 10 Sep 1992 20:50:32 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


LustyMud oh LustyMud...I MISS YOU!!!!!!

Thanks, Lusty for the update on the TAMU situation.  Hopefully,
we will see TAMU re-opened to Telnet traffic soon.  :)
Until then, I guess I will read about other Muds ...  and 
pray for a quick return of LustyMud!  Somehow, other LpMuds
just can't compare!  (Ok, ok...so am an addict...I admit it!)

Hesther loves Loknar(all the much!)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.lp,rec.games.mud,alt.mud,alt.mud.lp
From: jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (The Paladin Knight)
Subject: Re: roundtable
Originator: jhpace@c00721-239rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jhpace@eos.ncsu.edu (Jerrold H. Pace)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 12:12:32 GMT


Treptojg@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Justin G Treptow) writes:

>I only know of one mud that was ever worth playing in my book.  That  
>was Round Table, and I was under the understanding that it would be  
>back up and running by the time school started this fall.  Is round  
>table 2 up yet and if it is where in the realm is it?

>the honorable jimbob

I wrote about Roundtable2 last week, and here is the most recent reply:

August 31, 1992

From Bub
If you didn't know, I've retired from the Round Table scene.
Willy now is in control of it, and they changed the name to Round
Table 2.  The wizards left over from RT1 have been working quite hard
getting RT2 in shape for opening.  They hope to open the first
week in September.  I suspect that there will still be bugs at that
point, and all bug reports will be gratefully appreciated.
The ip name is the same, but the ip number has changed.
Round Table 2 is at: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu port 2222
If you need the number mail back and I can look it up for you.
Jeff Johnson (Bub)

I tried RT2 at 8:10 am on Tuesday, Sept. 8, but they still aren't open.
Wait some more, or else login as guest and take a look at the new town 
map...

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From: gfergus@alcor.concordia.ca ( Glenn Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.lp
Subject: Re: *gasp* *groan* *pain* Withdrawal....
Keywords: GateWay, lpmud, nothing
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:30:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

In article <BuFKzF.MCo@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> mtompset@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Mark Tompsett) writes:
>Will us mere mortals be informed of when GateWay (ug.cs.dal.ca 6969) is
>back to normal? I'm suffering withdrawal. ;)
>
>                Mark Tompsett
>
>--
>Might as well face it, you're addicted to MUD!

	Though you have probably already discovered this by now, but GateWay
is now back open to the public and running fine. For those that are interested
GateWay can be found at ug.cs.dal.ca 6969 (129.173.4.4 6969) and is an Lpmud
with alot of variety to offer both the social and hardcore mudders out there.
We have 8 races, around 10 different guilds, advanced team systems, different
languages, with large areas to explore and conquer. However, if you are a
social mudder who just enjoys talking to others, I think you will find our mud
to have an excellent atmosphere to support this as well.
	So if any of this perks your interest, drop by and give us a call.

					Watcher, Admin of GateWay
From: cossett@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.lp
Subject: GATEWAY Players, and others!
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:31:48 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

If you get tired of waiting for Gateway to become more
stable, come to Ancient Anguish. There are currently 3
classes; Fighter, Mage, and Cleric, four if you count
the Adventurer. And there are 2 guilds, the Monk and
the Scythe. Also, there are alot of cool people that
mud there. So give us a try. 

the address is: 129.132.57.10   2000

Operators are standing by to answer you call. ;)


                Tim Cossett
                 Flint@ Ancient Anguish
                  Happily married to Jasmina

P.S. MUd marriages are performed on Ancient Anguish by
   me, not some mobile program> :)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.lp
From: slayer@acca.nmsu.edu (Slayer)
Subject: lusty sux
Organization: New Mexico State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 02:45:04 GMT

 LUSTY IS A FUCKEN BITCH, WITH A MAJOR STICK UP HER BIG FAT HAIRY ASS.
 I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO LOG ON AND CUSS. THE ADRRESS FOR HER DAM GAME IS       LUSTY.TAMU.EDU 2000 

                 SINCERLY
                  THE PLAYERS
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From: dixjb@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Jonathan Barrymore Dix)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.lp,rec.games.mud,rec.games.mud.admin,alt.mud,alt.mud.lp
Subject: List_files...
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:25:10 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.mud,rec.games.mud.admin,rec.games.mud.lp,alt.mud,alt.mud.lp
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science



  I would like to have a list_files(get_dir) function for the simualte.c in
my 3.1.2 show this format.

total 118
   1 ./                    1 .letter               1 .rnlast
   5 ../                   1 .letter~              1 .rnlock
   1 .article              1 .login               10 .rnsoft
   1 .article~            42 .newsrc               1 News/
   1 .elm/                42 .oldnewsrc            1 alias/
   1 .forward*             1 .plan                 1 dead.letter
   1 .hushlogin            0 .pnewsexpert          1 hold/
   1 .ircrc                1 .rnhead               1 stuff/

of course with hidden files hideen and .. and . also hidden.

but the ls that comes with it doesn't follow suit...

Any help?
From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Goehring)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
Subject: Re: List of all mu*s
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:14:07 GMT
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Society for the Prevention of National Mudding Associations

Jason@utopia.hacktic.nl (Jason) writes:

>It's name is mudlist.v?n?, just take the highest version to get the
>latest mudlist. They're now at mudlist.v4n7

Actually, v4n8.  You can also get one by mailing to
mudlist@glia.biostr.washington.edu, or by reading
rec.games.mud.announce, where one is posted weekly.

Do *NOT* mail me at this address for a copy.
--
If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure.
		-- Vice President Dan Quayle
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
From: michael@iastate.edu (Michael M. Huang)
Subject: Re: A singles mud!
Keywords: Happy Hour  
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 08:41:18 GMT

In <10SEP199222455403@rosie.uh.edu> st1pk@rosie.uh.edu (Taylor, Daniel K.) writes:

>	Maybe there should be a MUD for singles who want to meet that
> special someone...you could do things like borrow your daddy's car and 
>  pick up your mud-date... or walk into a swinging singles mud club and ask
>"Hey babe....what's your mud sign.....?"

>dan

This idea is almost as bad... uh.... as bad... as TMI!  Yeah, yeah,
that's the ticket. ;)

-michael

-- 
Michael Ming-Yang Huang                                  michael@iastate.edu
Carver/Vis Lab Comp Assist                               (michaelhg@ids.net)
PV Student Dev Group             "A MIND is such a terrible thing to waste."
Iowa State Univ, Ames, IA       Any opinon stated in this post is of my own.
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: MUDS/MUCKS/MUSE
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:38:50 GMT

Could someone explain the diference between these?  thanx

-----SCAVENGER
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KAHN: And I never forget a face.  Mr. Chekov,   |  kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
           isn't it?                            |      (Internet/Usenet)
CHEKOV:  But, I wasn't in that episode!!!       | No matter where you go, there
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Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
From: tevonian@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (Pete Tevonian)
Subject: Re: hum..girls and muds and losers
 <gehAIIy00WCQQ_HWpV@andrew.cmu.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:50:50 GMT

eh1s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edwin Huang) writes:

>Excerpts from netnews.rec.games.mud: 14-Sep-92 Re: hum..girls and muds
>and.. Chanda Hotsenpiller@seq. (1810)

>> 	Well I know several females that play male characters as well....
>> I for one did start a male character before mud was banned here at
>> UNCW....

>Do we really need testimonials about how many mythical females we know
>who mud? Do we? Really? Grow up.   Sometimes I'm so embarassed to be a
>mudder... but.. only when I start reading r.g.m amazingly enough.

Ed is wise. Listen to him. 

>*sigh*
>-ed/dirque
>Remember beauty IS only skin deep if you happen to have of of those
>plastic blow-up dolls.

--Pete Tevonian
From: dmoore@ucsd.edu (David Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
Subject: Re: hum..girls and muds and losers
Date: 11 Sep 1992 23:54:58 GMT
Organization: UCSD Peripheral Nerve Research Group
	<BuE2q9.7pJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
Reply-To: David Moore <dmoore@ucsd.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdnp1.ucsd.edu
In-reply-to: tevonian@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:58:56 GMT

In article <BuE2q9.7pJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tevonian@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (Pete Tevonian) writes:

|Really, any of you guys expecting to actually MEET any of the females
|from MUDs are sadly deluded. It will NEVER happen. And what's more --
|after you don't meet them, there's no way you will actually form
|a relationship with any of them (especially not three of them in a row)
|and you will never stay in any relationship you don't form for over a year
|and a half, and NEVER will you get engaged to any of them, after not
|meeting them, not dating them, and not forming a relationship. Take it
|from me, I wouldn't know.

	I totally agree with you.  For example, I never met a girl on a
mud, fell in love with her, and then had a  relationship for over two
years.  I mean come on; who are you kidding.  Females on a mud?  Ha ha
ha.  Oh, you almost had me going for a minute.

|--Pete Tevonian
You wad, Kaine.

David - who idly thinks this whole thing is stupid, but couldn't resist
	a post today!  Yes, it is confirmation of Random's wise theory
	that people only post when bored.

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Work Phone: (619) 552-8585 x7042
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Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
From: gblake@nope (Greg Blake)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
Subject: Re: It seems to me
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:58:0 GMT
Organization: ~/.org
NNTP-Posting-Host: nope.ucsd.edu

It seems to me that there is a newgroup that is JUST for this purpose.
It's called rec.games.mud.announce...look about a bit...you just MIGHT
find it.

-snooze
From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Goehring)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
Subject: Re: Rec.games.mud.*
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:45:25 GMT
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Prevention of National Mudding Associations

byron@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Mr. Subliminal) writes:

>To those who say to post in these new newsgroups, perhaps you should
>realise that they are not available on all sites, such as mine.  I
>only have your word for it that they exist at all.  There are two mud
>groups here, this one and another with 100 posts of "EPIC Banned" in
>it. 8+)

Then complain to your news admin.  This group is scheduled to be
rmgrouped, and the majority of newsadmins will do so when they get the
rmgroup from Dave Lawrence.  Propogation will drop to next-to-nothing.

This, by the way, is the reason I do NOT post my mudlist in
rec.games.mud.
--
I saw a camel in a zoo that was ugly, smelly, and liked to spit.  I saw a camel
at a carnival that was ugly, smelly, and liked to spit.  I saw a camel overseas
that was ugly, smelly, and liked to spit.  I am open minded, but I will not
allow a camel into my living room.	-- Frank Doss (csfed@uxa.ecn.bug.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
From: brumleve@hermes (Dan Brumleve)
Subject: Re: DikuMUD II!!!!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:28:34 GMT


     Must an article informing people about a new MUD degenerate into yet
another mindless flame war?

Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
From: tevonian@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (Pete Tevonian)
Subject: Re: hum..girls and muds and losers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:53:50 GMT

mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. "Buddy can you spare a clue?" Ranum) writes:


> ... but I
>can't help but wondering if someone is having a cheap entertainment
>by providing both sides of a flamewar. Maybe it's all just Francis
>Bacon posting...


Marcus! Who would do that? Maybe it's two friends posting a well-
orchestrated flame-war for no reason other than to cause trouble....
No, wait, nobody is that silly and inane. Isn't that right, Wanderer?

>mjr.

--Pete Tevonian
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
From: mjr@hussar.dco.dec.com (Marcus J. "Buddy can you spare a clue?" Ranum)
Subject: Re: hum..girls and muds and losers
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Washington ULTRIX Resource Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:06:19 GMT


	On a complete side-track: I've been occasionally glancing at
bits of the "mud loser" thread as it flicks past my 'k' key, and one
rather odd thing about the postings leaps out at me: the writing styles
across much of this thread are remarkably similar. Perhaps it's just
that I'm not paying close attention (I'm not) or perhaps it's that
a lot of posters here are affecting the same writing style, but I
can't help but wondering if someone is having a cheap entertainment
by providing both sides of a flamewar. Maybe it's all just Francis
Bacon posting...

mjr.
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From: dixjb@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Jonathan Barrymore Dix)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud,rec.games.mud.lp,rec.games.mud.admin,alt.mud,alt.mud.lp
Subject: 3.1.2 problem on login
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:43:32 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.mud.admin,rec.games.mud.lp,alt.mud,alt.mud.lp
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science




I am currently running a 2.4.5 mudlib
with a 3.1.2 source, and trying to login to it.

  my problem is I lock up after the escape character line nothing happens.
Everything has loaded and the ipc got setup but nothing more.

I am running with COMPAT_MODE defined.
  plus running on an ultrix unix
Any clues???
Xref: sparky rec.games.mud:8708 rec.games.mud.diku:311
From: fedurchk@skynyrd.rutgers.edu (azril)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud,rec.games.mud.diku
Subject: EPIC IS BACK!!
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:33:35 GMT
Followup-To: rec.games.mud
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hiya everyone.  Just letting you know that Epic is back up at hal.ai.mit.edu
9000.  For those of you who haven't tried EPIC, it is a multi-class MUD with 8
difgferent races available and 4 main classes with several sub-guilds as well.
So stop on by and give it a try.


			    				Robert Fedorchak
			    				Azril
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Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
From: bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: HEY YOU LOSERS GET A F**KING LIFE YOU STUPID DWEEBS
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 00:50:30 EDT


>Sounds like a frustrated jock type who has a hard time coping with
>his lack of brain power and self esteem.

	Please, please, please don't overgeneralize as Mr. Mudloser did.  That
kind of an epithet is just as pathetic (albeit quite a bit more intelligently
worded) as as his toward MU*ers.  All MU*ers are not geeks.  Some are.  All 
jocks are not ogres without brain power.  Some are.  But a line like this seems
to imply that all of them are.  
	I am a "jock."  I MU*.  I like to think that I have a good amount of
brain power, and a good amount of self esteem.  It just frosts me when people
overgeneralize jocks in the manner you just did.
	Hopefully, it was just a little slip, and you didn't mean anything by
it.  We all slip up sometimes.

		Happy MU*ing, dating, sporting, whatever...

				- Dev 
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud
From: jfr2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jackie F. Russell)
Subject: Re: Muds
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:11:12 GMT

SneezyMUD has moved to a PERMANENT site. The new site is :

impala.ir.miami.edu 4000

We at sneezyMUD have a new casino in, and as one of the post i read just 
mentioned, we also have ansi COLOR capability. We have 4 new classes
(anti-paladin,paladin,bard.ranger), and multiclassing avaiable. Come check
us out at our new faster than ever site. New stuff coming almost daily. 
We have the nicest players, and the nicest gods around. Also a almost
perfect playing atmosphere, so come visit us at the formal SneezyMUD,
Now renamed Motel 7!

Brutius the imp of Motel 7!