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From: lmpm@teal.csn.org (L. M. P. McPherson)
Subject: Naming Planets (Was Re: Zodiac Constellations)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:44:33 GMT

mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au (Michael Pilling) writes:
>
>I might ask Maggie to jog my memory about how pluto was
>named. (I have no idea of how scorpio was named, but pluto,
>scorpios ruling planet was named like the ruler of hades and is
>associated with the underworld, but as I recall the
>inspiration came from a disney character originally.)

Pluto was discovered in 1930, just prior to the leveling of 
society in the dirty 30s that cleared the way for a new society,
one that included the Plutonian destructive power of the atom
bomb.

The universe conspired to name Scorpio's ruler Pluto through
at least two channels. The story of its naming that appeals to
Saturnian types is that the name Pluto was chosen because its
first two letters are the initials of the name of the man whose
research (started in 1905) facilitated Pluto's discovery by
Clyde Tombaugh: Percival Lowell. But there was no tradition
supporting a choice of name in this manner, and the name 
"Persephone" would have paid tribute to Percival Lowell as
well as the name "Pluto." While the coincidence of letters
may have tipped the scales, the name "Pluto" was chosen from
among entries in a contest to name the planet. A young girl
submitted the suggestion that the planet should be named after
her favourite Disney cartoon character, Pluto (the dog).

I am sure that the namer had no idea why the name "Pluto"
appealed to him so much, but the coincidence of the letters
"p" and "l" may have given him a good excuse for choosing
this name. Unconsciously he must have been informed, by the
part of himself that lives where we all connect, that the 
nature of the planet and the nature of the god Pluto were one.


Maggie
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: MARS
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 29 Sep 1992 16:57:27 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cis_staff-kntx57.cis.brown.edu

Mars is quite prominent now with the approach to it's retrograde period
which begins at the station in November at 27 deg. Cancer.  The declination
of the planet is off the ecliptic also.  Would anyone care to start a
discussion about the symbolism?  Does being off the ecliptic give Mars a
'wild' card effect?

I found the next paragraph on Sci.Astro and found it interesting - I
haven't kept up with the launches since they sent the Hubble up on a
Mercury retro.   Looks like this Mars launch went up with Mercury trining
Saturn.  Good show!

  MARS OBSERVER STATUS REPORT
                       September 27, 1992

          All systems are operating normally on the Mars Observer
spacecraft on the second day following launch.

          Mars Observer was launched at 1:05 p.m. Eastern
Daylight Time (10:05 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time) on Friday,
September 25, from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida.
Performance of the Titan III launch vehicle and Transfer Orbit
Stage (TOS) upper-stage booster appear to have been normal,
although telemetry was not received from the TOS during launch.

          Approximately 1 hour, 10 minutes after launch, the
spacecraft executed commands to deploy its solar array and high-
gain antenna in cruise positions.  Ground controllers did not
receive confirmation from microswitches onboard the spacecraft
that the high-gain antenna had latched in its cruise position
until 4:32 p.m. PDT, or about five hours later.  They believe
that the antenna probably deployed most of the way immediately
but did not latch into position until later.
From: loganathan_l@darwin.ntu.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Computer Astro Chart
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:48:49 +0900

Hi There

I was wondering if anyone had a computer program that does your chart
for you? If so, could I please have a copy?
-- 
Leon Loganathan
Darwin
Northern Territory
Australia
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Planets and Metals
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:44:06 EDT

Does anyone out there know which planets/signs/aspects are related to
the elements Lanthanum and Europium?

(Don't ask why :)

-Garrett
From: tedrick@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: nancy reagan (Sirius conjunct part of fortune)
Date: 26 Sep 1992 10:16:03 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: bongo.berkeley.edu

<<the constitution was written at a
<<particular time and was designed to be signed at a
<<particular time i.e. the 13deg of Cancer which it was.

<Yes, this is definitely a more Sirius note, no pun intended!! And the
<significance of 13Can for those interested is that that's the degree
<of the star Sirius, the brightest star in our sky. Every Independence
<day, we have Sun Conjunct Sirius. 

What would astrologers say about having Sirius conjunct part of fortune
in the 8th house? That's always puzzled me.
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Full Moon
Date: 5 Oct 1992 22:24:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


True Mark but that does not explain the violence, fires, accidents
etc.
Perhaps one day we will actually have some answers to this.
                         Linda :-)
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Stars and Parts
Date: 4 Oct 1992 15:46:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Can someone give me a list of the location of the important stars
and the equation for the part of Earth?  Either E-MAIL cg482 or
post it?           Thanks
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: eleos@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (George Krieger)
Subject:  Astrolog 2.3
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:02:22 GMT

I am still getting the error when I compile astrolog 2.3, any ideas?

/usr/bin/ld:
Warning: string: multiply defined
	previous (used) definition from 'xcharts.o';
	new (ignored) definition from 'graphics.o'

Thanks!
		George
 
P.S. I get an executable file, but it core dumps when I try to run it. 8(
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Object beyond Pluto
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:50:09 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder






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From: agray@axion.bt.co.uk (Andy Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Mercury is not retro
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:06:29 GMT
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article <Carole-280992161446@cis_staff-kntx57.cis.brown.edu>, Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) writes:
|> But it might as well be.  What spectacular energy over the weekend. 
|> Mercury was square to Uranus and Neptune turned stationary direct on
|> Sunday.  
	[stuff deleted]
|> Today, Mercury is square to Neptune and there have been more instances of a
|> similar quality to Merc. retro than I care to recount.  This whole day has
|> just drifted from one crisis to another; a very lost quality to it.  The
|> news
|> this evening will be very interesting to watch.  Hope there are no oil
|> spills.
|> 
|> Regards, Carol  

Judging by news reports this side of the pond ... heavy fog patches around the
country, a 30 car pile up on our M1 motorway on (?) Sunday, then another 30 car
pileup on Monday morning on the M18 ... two major plane crashes, Nigeria and
Tibet ...

Andy Gray (who stayed in bed until noon, and then couldn't concentrate ...)
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: MARS
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:31:26 GMT

In article <Carole-300992162150@cis_staff-kntx59.cis.brown.edu>, Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) writes:
> In article <Carole-290992124532@cis_staff-kntx57.cis.brown.edu>,
> Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) wrote:
>> 
>> Mars is quite prominent now with the approach to it's retrograde period
>> which begins at the station in November at 27 deg. Cancer.  The declination

(stuff deleted)
> 
> 
> As there are no replies to the invitation to discuss Mars going off the
> ecliptic, perhaps I should discontinue these postings.  Please comment. 
> Thanks, Carol
> 
> Mars will be sitting at 27^ Cancer for weeks; look to your charts my
> friends!

Hi Carolyn. I've no real ideas about Mars off the ecliptic, but I'm
grateful to you for pointing out it's station at 27 cancer.. I have
three planets in Cancer, and have gotten more or less used to the
effect of the Neptune/Uranus opposition. Still ....there was something
else going on. I've been plain old ANGRY for 3 weeks. Grouchy. Cranky.
Naturally, I've tried not to project it, but still find myself gnawing
inner bones of contention. 

Very odd for me, I haven't been following my transits closely. So it was
a shock when you mentioned Mars at 27 Cancer.  Also, my attention (such
as it was) has been focused for a number of months on Pluto, waiting for
it to FINALLY get out of orb of an opposition to my SUN/Jupiter in
November. All I could think about was Pluto. 

Now I realize -- and am glad to be aware of -- the fact that there's going
to be a Mars Return going on during the last pass of Pluto's opposition to
Sun, so I had better make it my business to be alert, collected and centered
in order to deal intelligently with events both inner and outer!

Regards, Lou
From: bsherman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Brian C. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Snow Crash
Summary: book report
Keywords: book
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:54:10 GMT
Organization: UB

I just read Snow Crash.  Great book, the only nit-picky point that I found
was the bit where Hiro can get a satellite picture, but not a 3-d image.  If
he can get a satellite to sweep the area, he can get two shots, and run render
stuff to infer 3-D.  But besides that slight fo-pah, it's really a good read.

         -brian
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (TJO)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: REQUIRED READING: B. Sterling
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:22:19 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct2.042143.22764@netcom.com> frost@netcom.com (John Frost) writes:
>Elsewhere on USENET .......
>
>The Scene..... comp.eff.org.news
>
>	As a student of cyberpunk, computers and myriad other things,
>I was more then thrilled to find a Bruce Sterling essay concerning 
>his reflections on his latest book. This is Sterling's first non-fiction

> You can
>read it on comp.eff.org.news  or ftp it from ftp.eff.org .  

Well the book is the _The Hacker Crackdown_ and is about the US SS raids
last year among other things...

Bruce also has a new book of short stories coming out ... I hear it is called
_Globalhead_ but I don't know what stories are in it.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: frost@netcom.com (John Frost)
Subject: REQUIRED READING: B. Sterling
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:21:43 GMT

Elsewhere on USENET .......

The Scene..... comp.eff.org.news

	As a student of cyberpunk, computers and myriad other things,
I was more then thrilled to find a Bruce Sterling essay concerning 
his reflections on his latest book. This is Sterling's first non-fiction
book and its subject is HACKING.  (did I get that right?)   However,
this essay is more than a simple reflection on writing, it is a statement
of Sterling's ethics.  

	I would place this essay, and probably the book (spoken unseen), 
high onmy list of must-reads for folx interested in cyberpunk.  You can
read it on comp.eff.org.news  or ftp it from ftp.eff.org .  

	I found myself agreeing with almost  all of the positions
Sterling took in this essay, and would be interested  with other readers
opinions.  Sterling stated that he expects to be considered an 
authority on cyberpunk and hacking  for  years to come (although he 
claimed no such authority himself).  He also mentions the need for
a drastic change, a movement, in society.  I wonder if Sterling, Maddox,
Gibson et al. are ready to  be the leaders, the instigators, of
this change"

frost, pondering running for President .. if  Perot can do it so can I.


					Revolutions are fought so that
						children can fly.
							--Holly Near
 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Book question!!
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:48:27 GMT

I did .. combo between Bladerunner and Cyberpunk

 Steve C.
From: mimir@stein.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000 #7 and Technoculture
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:34:58 GMT

In article <1iT7RB5w164w@cellar.org> tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) writes:
>Well, I have seen a lot of negative reactions to Mondo here.  What cyberpunk
>magazines do you like?  

 Boing Boing.

Wassail,
Al
From: marc@eris.berkeley.edu (Marc DeGroot)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Footware. =(
Date: 2 Oct 1992 01:56:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: eris.berkeley.edu

In article <uJwHqB2w165w@cybrspc.UUCP> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
>You can also look for a Reebok with a pump and a digital pressure gauge.
>I saw the operative guts at an electronics show back in May.  So the
>shoe is probably going to appear in the spring '93 lineup.

Wait till they put a pedometer in the shoe.  A friend of mine says,
"These are the soles that time men's tries."

Groan.

-- 
Marc de Groot (KG6KF) San Francisco | 
Internet: marc@kg6kf.ampr.org       |          "Dare to dream..."
UUCP: ..!uunet!hoptoad!noe!marc     |
Packet radio: KG6KF @ K3MC          |
From: max@underg.UUCP (Max Cray)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Sneakers: Moral Confusion?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 03:01:54 EDT
Organization: Underground Computing Foundation

arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:

>   And it does seem like a cyberpunk ending -- all spiffied up Hollywood
> style, of course: the guys with the criminal records, nut cases and
> disabled -- outcasts all -- wind up with the grand prize, and seem
> primed to prank the world into their vision of the good society. 

I thought the ending was one of the worst parts of the movie. So the NSA
discovers that they don't really have the encryption breaking device, or
that at best they only have a copy. Is Redford and company prepared to
go underground, when the NSA comes after them for it? Is this just a set-up
for Sneakers II?

                                          -= Max =-
...!uunet!underg!max
...!cactus.org!underg!max
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 I program in C because it turns women on...
From: tracker@pitt.WPI.EDU (William L Schongar)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: b. sterling
Date: 5 Oct 1992 01:53:03 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: pitt.wpi.edu

 And lo, there was one opinion heard out of many differing ones. 

I think the "Different writers have different styles, and some people
may not like some of them" light just went on....

-Tracker
From: CS341A002@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (Loki)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: What is Bladerunner?
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:15:13 GMT
Organization: The Underground
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.13.SMU

braca2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au writes:
>
> >Yet the integration of inorganic and organic life forms is pretty
> >punk-ish...Yet, the Borg's didn't (as far as I remember) have it done
> >by choice.....
> 
> Hey, my uncle of 55 is a punk, he's got an artificial pacemaker.
> 
> I think there has to be a definate 'voluntary' side to it, it only 
> becomes punk when its 'making a statement', like this is how weak your
> body is, and look how strong mine is.  I am not part of what you call
> society - fuck off.'

Yeah, precisely. Punks are nihilistic individualists. The Borg are
aggressive collectivists. Difference? :)

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Random Quote of the Day:
Well, folks, you'll soon see a baked Appel.

                 --- George Appel before his execution by electric chair
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberspace,comp.org.eff.talk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (scooby dooby doo)
Subject: Re: "Cyberpunk breakins" (was: re: Gibson)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 16:37:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.062359.11570@ecst.csuchico.edu>
shawnb@ecst.csuchico.edu (Shawn Brown) writes: 
|
|Hmm... I follow this kind of thing quite closely, and have never heard of an
|instance of 'hackers' in a 911 bellcore computer.  Fucking with bellcore and
|their COSMOS systems is practically impossible.  If you're referring to the

I beg to differ.  COSMOS Hacking is one of the most publicized
hacks... I can even give you a few pointers as to TV shows or
mainstream magazine articles that mention it....

|Craig Neidorff/Knight Lightning Phrack case where 911/ANI documents were
|published... that was a completely different set of circumstances altogether
|and had nothing to do with unauthorized access to bellcore 911 systems.

That's true  - I think you're the first one to point this out, too....
People ought to go back and read all the old CuD's and Phracks and try
to have an informed opion before making statements like "there's
hackers in 911" or some other vague and incorrect statement....

And, if anyone needs that stuff, it can all be obtained (along with
gigs worth of other cyber-related info everyone should read) on
ftp.eff.org, in case you didn't know...(but please don't leech too
much - be considerate of the service)....

|Shawn

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From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Sneakers: Moral Confu
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:51:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) 

| I program in C because it turns women on...

Laff....

JMAG> I program in the shell because of Freudian neuroses....

Really BIG Laff...


 -- SPEED 1.20 [NR]: I'm just here for moral support. Ignore the gun.
From: jis@panix.com (Jack Szwergold)
Subject: The Borg and Cyber-poseurs (What is Bladerunner?)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:38:51 GMT
Organization: Panix, NYC

In <1992Oct1.190141.7714@nstn.ns.ca> CS341A002@Husky1.StMarys.Ca (Loki) writes:

>I doubt it would be possible to make an argument in favor of the Borg being
>cyberpunk, tho. Cyber, yes, punk, no. Punks are individualists, the Borg
>sorta fail on that count. ;)

Yeah.  The sad thing about cyberpunk today is to many people equate
mutilated humans with being cyberpunk.  Cyberpunk is an attitude and an
outlook, not a style or M-TV fashion.  Films like _Blade Runner_ are
really great because they show that technology can corrupt in ways other
than direct interfaces with human tissue.  The funny thing is that the
films vision of genetically engineered humans is closer to being a reality
than all the techno Armitage like neuro links that everyone talks about...

Jack
jis@panix.com

NOTE: did you know that scientists are now using infant foreskins in
plastic surgery and reconstructive surgery...

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.bbs.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,alt.bbs.internet
From: elrose@well.sf.ca.us (Lance Rose)
Subject: SysLaw, 2nd ed. - Legal Guide for Online Service Providers
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:19:50 GMT

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (tao master of existential angst)
Subject: Re: Ehh...
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 02:06:44 GMT

In article <5Vo3RB1w165w@spud.kludge.com> cvoid@spud.kludge.com
(Christian Void) writes: 
|Like I asked earlier... Doesn't this feed get any traffic? Okay... Lets
|see if we can't generate some... Has anyone out there read "Storming the 
|Reality Studio"? And if so, what do you think?

My site gets ~20+ messages / day....Don't assume the problem is with
the readers (or lack of) and overlook the obvious feed problems or
something like that....

Anyway, StRS is a must-have for this group....

The subject of post-modernism<=>cyberpunk is very broad, thus it would
be idiotic to sit here and discuss the entire book, but, if anyone has
any specific issues related to it, than please go ahead and bring 'em
up.... 

|Christian Void /T71        |     "I don't like it, and I'm sorry
|VMResearch, Inc.           |    I ever had anything to do with it."
|cvoid@spud.kludge.COM      |       -Erwin Schrodinger 1887-1961

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From: pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: The Borg and Cyber-poseurs (What is Bladerunner?)
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:18:25 GMT
	<1992Oct2.023851.20882@panix.com>
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Yeah, the technology alone doesn't equate to cyberpunk...It's the atmosphere
and the attitude.  It's really irritating when I see shit like Shadowrun, where
no explanation of cp is given, and no credit given to those who defined the
movement.  As a result, there are gobs of people out there who do think it's
just the tech and nothing else.

Most irritating.