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From: kd28+@andrew.cmu.edu (Karen M. Dryer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Guitar and Keyboard sound?
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:33:11 GMT
Organization: Junior, Music, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I was also wondering if anyone can suggest a sound system compatible
with keyboards and guitars.

I think it is impossible to have something that satisfies both but I'd
like some suggestions.

Keyboards sound terrible through guitar amps. No bass end and distortion.
Guitars kind of sound good through keyboard amps but the amp becomes distorted.

Oh well.
From: Darla@cup.portal.com (Kuby - Downs)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Win 3.1 MIDI sequencing programs
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 11:18:04 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Kirk,

=>I have been using Dos based MIDI sequencing packages on my pc/clone
=>for quite some time and wanted to upgrade to Windows 3.1 based midi
=>programs? Does anyone know of any?

The selection is as diverse as your favorite Pop Tart flavors.. 
and so are the prices. :)

On the lower range there is Trax by Passport in  the $100.00 
range. Even lower then that is the shareware product Winjammer
now at version 2.01. You can try Winjammer for free and 
registration is approx $50.00.

On the higher end is Master Trax Pro, by Passport. (I think
Passport gives the WORST customer support imaginable)
Cakewalk for Windows by 12 Tone Systems (excellent customer 
support and the product I reccomend) A demo should be available 
for this at Windows FTP sites. Also higher end is Encore by 
Passport.. Finale by Coda..and the latest is Cubase, which I 
know nothing about.

Lots to choose from, but choose carefully. I suggest 
downloading as many demos as possible and checking them all out 
to see which you are the most comfortable with.

Hope this helps..

                                 Darla
                                 
                                 
Windows
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From: sullivan@nodename.dec.com (Greg Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Kurzweil 1000 PX - sounding thin over upper middle range.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 22:16:42 GMT


Steve,
Regarding PX soundfiles - that person I mentioned happens to be away from his
machine  at the moment - he's relying on memory. Chances are he is mistaken -
we'll see. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for entering the soundfile list.
It matches mine.

>To my ears, the soft strike and hard strike pianos simply sound like
>two halves of the grand piano sample.  The remainder of the list up to

Yep - to my ears too.

>Whether or not this renders the instrument useless is a matter of needs
>and tastes.  I had never heard the inconsistencies in the processes 

*I'm* definitely not saying that the instrument is useless - it's a fine unit.
What I am saying is that it did not sound as good as I would have expected
after hearing other peoples comments. And, yes, I would have thought twice
about buying it, had I noticed the deficiencies. 

Regards,
Greg.
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: FB01 vs. TX81Z
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 19:23:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.100831.15119@stc.nato.int>, koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman) writes:
|> In article <5836.9209020842@orsun.dcs.leeds.ac.uk>  writes:
|> > >From: Shiv Naimpally <shiv@CA.BNR>
|> > >Subject:      Re: Yamaha Rack Mounts...advice needed
|> > >
|> > >The TX81Z is a nice rack mount way to get FM sounds in to your setup.
|> > >I'd stay away from the FB01 which is available very cheap but requires
|> > >external software to edit patches etc.. The TX81Z is a little more
|> > >versatile.
|> > >
|> > 
|> > As an owner of both a FB01 and a TX81Z, I would like to second the above
|> > opinion.
|> 
|> so the FB01 is sort of an expander for the TX81Z. Can you do
|> dumps from the Z to the 01?
|> 
|> --
|> Ton Koelman   e-mail: koelman@stc.nato.int (NeXT Mail Welcome!)
|> SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD  The Hague
|> The Netherlands  (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111)

The FB01 came out first. Yamaha expnded the architecture, corrected some
glaring omissions, and came out with the TX81Z. This happens a lot when
new products comeout (eg. DX9 & DX7, U110 and U220 etc.). It should be
easy to port FB01 sounds to TX81z but not the other way. The FB01 uses
only sine waves for FM, wheras the TX81Z has other (complex) waveforms
such as sawtooth etc.. The TX81z architecture was further refined for the
DX11 and WX11, but you can dump DX/WX11 voices into a TX81z.
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From: metro@netcom.com (John Bouvier)
Subject: unix midi s/w [src] wanted
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 01:05:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Distribution: us

looking for an application program to do MIDI sequencing, etc. for my sparc
that i can connect to a keyboard.  any ftp sights? (one at lll requires
kernel reconfiguration; prefer to just plug it into an rs232 port {ttya}).
thanks,
	john b.,	metro@netcom.com
From: kml21025@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU (""da Ken-ster"")
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: U220 vs SC-55 Need help quick!!!!
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:56:25 GMT


   * R E P O S T *

   This was supposed to go to both rec.music.makers and rec.music.synth, but
I only saw it get to rec.music.makers, so I'm reposting it to that one.  I'm
very sorry if this actually posted to r.m.s. somewhere and you get it again...

   I've been wanting to get a new tone module for some time, but haven't had
the cash...  Now that I have a little, I was wanting to get advice on two that
I've had suggested to me.    

   I was looking at the Roland SC-55 because it has so many sounds, good  
polyphony and multitimbrality.  

   However, I talked to a couple of people who said that the U220 would be 
better.  The only thing is that it doesn't have nearly the multitimbral       
capabilities that the sound canvas does, but it's expandable as far as sounds.
Does the 6 or 7 part multitimbrality of the U220 become limiting?  Should I just
save up a little more and get a sampler?  What I'm looking for is real, high
quality sampled sounds or synth'ed sounds that offer a high degree of realism to
the real ones.  (No offense to synth'ers, but I've already got a pretty good 
synth engine...D50...) Now, I really need good orchestral and pop. sounds in one
unit.  Again, the SC-55 seems to have what I would need, but would the U220 be
better?   Ah, that is the power shopper's question...

   I need recommendations on this very quickly as someone has one for $495, and
I'm very eager to buy it (if that's a good price, please let me know if it's not
very good dollars and sense).    

						Thanks,

						   Ken
                        
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: MIDI Wind Instrument
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:46:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.200940.19637@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov () writes:
|> <stuff deleted>
|> There are conceptual differences in the design of the EWI/EVI and
|> Yamaha controllers.  The Yamahas (at least the 7 & 11) are pure MIDI 
|> controllers, while the EWI includes a two- (EWI 2000)  or four-oscillator 
|> (EWI 3000) analog module which also provides limited MIDI capabilities.

Yes. The EWI/EVI drive analog modules because Steiner and Akai felt
that the 0-127 discrete steps of MIDI were too coarse. However the
Yamahas are not 'pure' MIDI controllers - just as the EVI/EWI comes with a
sound module, the WX7 comes with a WT7 and the WX11 with a WT11 sound
module. I'm not familiar with the WT7 but the WT11 is basically the
sound generation portion of the DX11 (enhanced 4-op FM a la TX81z)
and the effects of a REX50. The Yamaha and Akai are similar in that
the controller plugs into the sound generation module and it is the
sound generation module that also does the conversion to MIDI.
So you cannot take a WX11 and plug into just any MIDI module - you
must plug it into the WT11 and then use the MIDI out on it. I suspect
that Yamaha has doen this for the same reason as AKAI, to allow
the WX11 to control the WT11 module with greater control than the
0-127 resolution that MIDI allows.

|> If you're primarily going to use the thing for entering parts into a
|> sequencer, I'd recommend the the WX7 over the EWI, as the MIDI implementation
|> seems better.  For example, the WX7 emits velocity (I *think*;  it's been about
|> three years since I used one extensively), while the EWI emits a constant
|> (though user-selectable) velocity;  This is a real limitation if you're trying
|> to enter sequences to be played back on a patch that does respond to velocity.

The WX11 does emit velocity and MIDI volume. You may have to do some
filtering of the continuous controllers if your sequencer can't handle it
(also it occupies a lot of space).

|> 
|> <stuff deleted>
|> No matter what you get, you'll have to spend some time relearning technique, as
|> there are some differences compared with acoustic winds.  For me the worst part
|> was using all the octave keys smoothly--it took six monthes of almost-every-
|> night practicing before I dared play in public.

Though my friend could play his WX11 almost immediately, it did take him
a year to feel comfortable and at home with it.


|> brian good                     
|> NASA Lewis Research Center     
|> bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov


Shiv Naimpally
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Digital Recording software for NeXT ?
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:54:30 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Sep09.203219.14174@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>There is a new sequencer called Metro Tracks for Next. There is an ad
>in the latest Electronic Musician magazine. They have an email address
>(info@metro.com I think). Don't know what its like though ...

Please get your facts straight before miss-informing others!!!

MetroTracks is not a sequencer yet; it is software for digital 
recording like Soundworks only from what I can see, much better.
It will play midi files and sound via drag and drop as well as edit
digital audio.


maurices
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: So, why can't I buy a pitch-shift sampler?
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:36:14 GMT
Organization: Naff Green Shorts Dance Co.

I'm sitting here, idly wondering what I want out of a sampler (huge
amount of RAM, plenty of voices, working SCSI implementation, good
MIDI control and SysEx spec., rackmountable, other than that, no
frills). I'm not really into outboard FX on a sampler, I don't think.
One thing which I've still not seen on a mainstream product is proper
pitchshifting (shift pitch while keeping timing of sub-audible events
like LFO's and envelopes). Is it still prohibitive compute-wise? If
someone made one, matching my other requirements, I'd seriously
consider buying it.

(Unless it were Ensoniq, of course. A requirement I didn't mention is
that it should work reliably.)

Nick.
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From: jcook@goober.cs.Colorado.EDU (Jonathan E. Cook)
Subject: Can I modify a Yamaha PF85 to have full sustain?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:05:09 GMT


Basically, the PF85 is an electric piano (5 voices), with the only
note control being a sustain pedal and a soft pedal. The sustain
pedal just acts like a real piano - the tone decays over time. I'd
like to be able to hack in (or by ROM's from Yamaha) the ability
to have a full sustain mode, like a sysnthesizer. Does anyone have
a clue as to whether this is possible?

Jon.
From: sullivan@nodename.dec.com (Greg Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Kurzweil 1000 PX - sounding thin over upper middle range.
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:32:55 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Hi,
I have recently puchased a used 1000 PX, with PX A&B upgrades. The upgrade
ROMs, according to the sales rep, are not from Kurzweil. I can't remember who
manufactures them, but I could find out if required. I just wanted to order the
A soundblock *only*, but he said that now the A & B come together.

The problem is that over the upper middle, it sounds a bit thin - well,
sometimes *very* thin. amd mainly while playing softly. It is not what I would
expect over such an important range, at least from Kurzweil. I own an Roland
RD300S, and I tell you that I would prefer it's sound over that particular
range - and the RD300S sounds thin over the middle as well.

To hear the offending sound - strike F4 with any velocity up to and including
47, using the Stereo Extended Piano program. That's assuming I have the genuine
Kurzweil samples - which I am starting to doubt. On this program, the sound can
be heard from F4 to B4 (six notes). On the plain Grand Piano, I hear it from 
B4 to D4 (four notes). The sound is kinda like a flute or clarinet. It does not
pass as a piano to my ears.

I have been told that 47 is a very low velocity. Well, it may be, but my RD
sends 5 for ppp, and 127 for fff. I have got the PX to calibrate the velocity
curve (where it asks you to strike a key ppp and then fff). I can quite easily
play over the entire velocity range. I don't *think* this is my problem, but
I'm not sure.

Any help, insight, or advice much appreciated.

Versions:

Engine: V5.32
Setups: V5.12

Display shows 1000PX AB8 when the diagnostics are invoked.

Regards,
Greg.

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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 09:07:29 EDT
From:         Jeff Mallory <jeff@MILLIE.LOC.GOV>
Subject:      Mark Fontana's survey
Comments: To: synth-l@auvm.american.edu

Look, you winging twits so critical of Mark's efforts: r.m.s. gets a
constant barrage of requests from newbie MIDI people asking what should
I buy, what should I buy. Mark, through his own generosity and time
spent, has compiled the results of what 65 of us recommend/use for
PC interfaces and probably saved us all the time needed to respond
to these requests. This is now a resource for the present and
future MIDI-ots.  If you wanna cry about what _yer_ definition of
a survey is or isn't, fine, do it constructively: gather your own
info, compile the results and post them for all of us to benefit from.
Webster's has no clinical definition of survey, suggesting appraisal
or compendium as synonyms.  So, let's thank him for his efforts
and not waste bandwidth on ego insecurities. We need to save netspace
for all those important Devo, Team Metlay (YO!) and Doc Martins
meanderings! :))

Jeff Mallory
jeff@millie.loc.gov
From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:37:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Win 3.1 MIDI sequencing programs
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth

Check this month's Keyboard.  They have a full article on Win 3.1 and a 
list of soft and vaporware, along with some stuff that *should* be
out now.

Pete Brooks
From: dan@cafws1.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: Super Jupiter/JX10 etc.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:46:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.235433.29807@sal.wisc.edu> rej@sal.wisc.edu (Randy Jones) writes:

>I am in love with the Juno 60's sound: 8 resonant filters all
>going SSSHHHIOOOOUUUWWWWMMM, 

	I believe the Juno 60 has 6 voices, not 8.

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From: sullivan@nodename.dec.com (Greg Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Kurzweil 1000 PX - sounding thin over upper middle range.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:37:08 GMT


In article <=8tnd1f@lynx.unm.edu>, burd@hydra.unm.edu (Stephen Burd ASM) writes...
>Sorry for the long post here, my namserver can't seen to find nodename.dec.com.

It's sullivan@aussie.enet.dec.com

>>I think Young Chang (Kurzweil) simply contracted with somebody else to
>>manufacture the sound blocks.  I doubt that your problem is
>>caused by either the A or B block since I don't think these
>>contain the piano sample.  This conjencture is based on the fact
>>that the original PX (8 button, no A or B ROMs) has the same
>>piano programs as the upgraded PX's.  Thus, I would assume that
>>the piano samples aren't contained in either of the expansion blocks.

You're most probably correct. I thought, though, that sales rep said that the
upgrade I have involves a swap of all the roms, or words to that effect. I
guess I could ask the technician.

>>I just tried these notes on my PX+ and can clearly hear the problem with
>>the stereo extended piano.  I can't hear a problem with the Grand Piano,
>>however.  It sounds as if one of the sample points has been somehow corrupted.

Great!(?) Now we're getting somewhere. Thankyou. 
The Grand definitely does not suffer as much - but (in my opinion) it's still
there. 

Another question. I have been speaking to someone else, who has a PX with A
soundblock _only_ (I think, not 100% sure). He has a soundfile called 
'Stereo Grand Piano 1', which is used on a preset called Stereo Piano (single
layere preset). I was told that the upgrades are purely additive by the sales
rep. That is, one never _looses_ soundfiles. I do NOT have a soundfile called
Stereo Grand Piano 1. What's going on? Have they renamed soundfiles somewhere
along the line? This person says that he prefers the Stereo Piano preset (which
I also do NOT have, but I that's not as important as a missing soundfile) to
the standard Grand Piano. I'm wondering whether I'm missing out on something
worthwhile....

Greg.
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From: musth@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: REMG CONTROLLERS
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:10:58 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

I am a Music Student completing a major project on using EMG to control
>electronic music devic If anyone has any information in this area I would be
>most grateful to receive it. I am particularly interested in combining
acoustic
>performance with EMG control, in both solo and group situations, using the EMG
>for real-time signal processing as well as driving synthesisers.
>
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From: gsarff@wicat.uucp (Gary Sarff)
Subject: any computer software for TG-33 and|or Korg DSS-1?
Organization: WICAT Systems
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:35:02 GMT

Is there any software (editor and/or librarian or anything) for a Yamaha
TG-33?  I just picked one up.  Any computer type is fine.
Also I might as well ask the same question regarding the Korg DSS-1.  The
Korg ads when the dss-1 was new had a picture of a mac with what one was
to assume was a korg waveform on the screen.  Does this software exist, 
can a copy be obtained/bought/whatever?
thanks much
   gary 
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From: rjansen@fwi.uva.nl (Rene M. Jansen (I87))
Subject: Re: TG77 vs TG500...opinions???
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:51:23 GMT

Hi,

I've played the TGF500, except of the piano, it sounds great. The acoustic
piano is a rather agressive one. (BTW, I've until now never heard a good
digital piano wich satisfies me...)

Some differences I know between the TG77 and the TG55:

* TG77 uses RCM, you know: Modulate an AWM sample with an AFM;
  the TG500 only has AWM2. This should make the sound a little less 'alive'
  comparing to the TG77. In fact, when I played the TG55, it was a warm,
  nearly anologues sound...

* You can load all samples (i.e. AKAI, Roland, ...) in .5 Meg of RAM 
  (RAM can be expanded to 3.5 Meg), just like the SY99. A TG77 can't do this.

* Filtering capabilities are comparable. 

Both modules seems to be great, I guess the main point of decision is:
- do you want RCM? (TG77)
of
- do you want to be able to load sample dump standard? (TG500)

I wish you good luck. 

Rene Jansen.

P.S. I'm not sure, but I guess the TG500 is also general MIDI compatible...

  
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From: bbs.cement@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Christopher Clement)
Subject: MIDI/SE-30
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:19:33 GMT

HELP!

I need some advice on Apple's Midi Manager and the Mac SE-30. My friend 
is using MOTU Performer V3.1, but the click function doesn't work. Also 
the Midi manager does not recognize his version of Performer. What gives?

--
Christopher Clement (bbs.cement@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
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From: pjb@cci632.cci.com (Phil Busardo)
Subject: WANTED : Studio Layouts
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:05:50 GMT

Does anyone have any studio designs, layouts, plans, or blueprints they 
would like to share with me?  I am in the process of building a studio 
and would like some ideas.  Please send me some e-mail.

Thanx in advance.
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From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)
Subject: Re: So, why can't I buy a pitch-shift sampler?
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:49:26 GMT

> nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes:

   I'm sitting here, idly wondering what I want out of a sampler (huge
   amount of RAM, plenty of voices, working SCSI implementation, good
   MIDI control and SysEx spec., rackmountable, other than that, no
   frills). I'm not really into outboard FX on a sampler, I don't think.
   One thing which I've still not seen on a mainstream product is proper
   pitchshifting (shift pitch while keeping timing of sub-audible events


The higher-end Rolands do it, and do it quite well. They also
re-sample in performance mode; perfect for creating complex
loops. Of course, they're not cheap (but have resonant filters :-)

-- 
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From: asrbb@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Help!  Need number for Fender.
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:03:58 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

Hi all!

I dialed the number for Fender as listed in the Mail/Phone list of musical
equipment dealers and neither one works.

Anyone have another number I can try?

Thanks,
Rick Bell
asrbb@acad2.alaska.eduxD
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