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From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Re: OLDMAN WAS A SEXY VAMP--NOT!
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:24:33 GMT


mdouglas@cad067.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Maria Douglas ) writes:

>Third, Harker's hair changed color.  After it went grey from his

>Fourth, why were there pictures from the Kama Sutra in the book 
>"1001 Arabian Nights"?  Also, Lucy was very prim and proper in the

>And finally, I didn't buy the "tragic/romantic" stuff.  

Seems to me -- even though Dracula won't be released in Aust until
January, so I haven't seen it -- that Dracula is the new "Batman
Returns." The audience are splitting the same way: you have the 
choice of the "Uhhh...it's not like the comicbook" audience, or
"Wow! This is such a great movie -- as opposed to a great genre 
piece."

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
The duck is real good for many things - like texture, proportion, shapes.
How a duck is made and where the different things are on a duck can give
you a clue more or less the perfect composition for a painting. If you
could interpret a duck, if you could work within the rules for a duck,
you could get something close to a well-composed painting that had some
neat things happening.
From: darrenl@natinst.com (Darren Lilie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: A problem with Indiana Jones part 3
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:10:46 -0600
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.natinst.com

I'm not sure if anyone brought this up when Indiana Jones 3 was out but
toward the end when he was at the big void(bottomless pit) and he was   
supposed to step out into thin air not realizing that the bridge made of 
rock was an optical illusion.  This was only an illusion to us because we
are watching this in only two dimensions.  Indiana, being right there at
the foot of the bridge would see the bridge because he is looking at it 
in three dimensions.(Unless he had one eye closed).  On top of that he had
to throw sand? on the bridge so that he could see it.  Anybody would have
seen the bridge because of the difference in depth between it and the rock
wall on the other side.

Also, when I saw the old man in the knight suit, I thought, "Yeah, right".

Darren
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: dracula filming quest
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:17:48 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

MG>I'd sure as heck like to know how they did that morphing without a computer!

     There was no morphing in DRACULA.  It was all done through the use of
     light and shadow, sculptures and rubber suits, and careful editing.
     Even the transformation-into-rats scene.
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: BSD did NOT SUCK!!!!
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:31:14 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies

In article <1992Nov18.162332.21387@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, awalsh@mta.ca
(Andrew Walsh) wrote:

> This is a GOOD MOVIE. Don't let people tell you it's a total waste
> of money, go see it for yourself. And those of you who were distracted
> by Keanu's performance, or anything else you didn't like, try it again
> and ignore those problems. It's a visionary piece.

I agree.
From: mwojcik@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Michael Wojcik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Catwoman: feminist or femme fatale?
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:51:13 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: the University of Pennsylvania

Melissa Wiley wrote:
> Can anyone give me some info about catwoman's
> comic book history?  Thanks!!! ---Melissa Wiley

In the comic book series "Batman: Year One", Catwoman was a prostitute. She
liked cats and had a regular john who liked her to dress up in a kinky cat
outfit. She got into "cat-burglarly" semi-Robin Hood style, and was angered
by the Press attributing her capers to the batman. She therefore began to
attack the batman in revenge.

Year One was intended to chronicle the beginning of the batman,
specifically the time just after his return to the United States. Bruce
Wayne had spent many years preparing to be a vigilante, studying martial
arts in Japan, healing arts in Nepal, Deduction, logic, and detective work
in Scotland, as well as chemistry, explosives, and many, many other trades.

Catwoman is not a feminist. The character is fascinating until you see the
movie or the old TV series (although I had a crush on Ertha Kitt's
portrayal as a kid). If you can, read Batman: Year One. 
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From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: the big blue
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 01:06:10 GMT

> I wrote:

 I know it's old, but *** spoilers ***

>So, how many versions are there?  The version I recorded off of US cable
>TV (about 3 years ago) ends with Jaques swimming away into the big blue.  It 
>also has a Bill Conti soundtrack.  I've never seen the "happy ending" version 
>(what a horrible thing to do that movie).

Sorry for the misinformation and confusing the issue.  I was in the middle of
watching The Big Blue for about the fifth time when I saw this discussion in
rec. arts.movies (I was looking for discussions of 1492 which I really liked,
but then I'm a big Vangelis fan also and was taken away by the soundtrack).
I was watching the movie in pieces (45 minutes at a time and then maybe
more the next day).

I spoke too soon.  In the version I have seen they do indeed show Jaques
breaking through the surface and swimming away with the dolphin.  Yet, this is 
the first time that I took that scene literaly.  I always though it was put
there to instill a feeling of joy - that regardless of what happens to
Jacques he is with his real family now, the dolphins, his "big brother,"
Enzio, even his father.  I saw it as a flash back to him swimming with the 
dolphin he had just saved from the "circus" (yes, I know that's wrong, too
because at the end he is wearing a wet suit).

Sorry for the confusion, but like I said, I'd never thought of that as
indicating that Jacques was still alive, (Yeah! oh boy!, another happy 
american leaving the theatre).  I always assumed that he swam away into 
"The Big Blue," hence the name.  I have always been haunted by the ending 
and left in an indescribable emotional state (sort of a happy depression?)

Just another confused American who got the ending right, anyway.

[BTW : Martin V. "Windwalker" Howard:  I got your mail, but can't reply
to it. - If you're seeing the discussion here, though, you realize that
there is an "americanized" version with a whole new soundtrack (that I
even like, too.) I'd love to hear Serra's.]

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From: lcm5e@Virginia.EDU ("Lauren C. Murray")
Subject: Re: New Branagh Film?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:57:35 GMT

I also read-many months ago-that Uma Thurman would be appearing
in the film. Uma and Keanu together again...shades of Dangerous
Liasons?
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: 2001 shown letterboxed on TNT
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:54:55 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

>
>the cable channel TNT just showed 2001 letterboxed.
>my question is, was it fully letterboxed? I mean, wasn't the
>original film image still wider than that? My friend's Blade Runner
>laserdisc seemed to use only 1/3 or the total video screen; 2001
>on TNT seemed to have much thinner bars on the top and bottom.
>
>By the way, I rented Star Wars in regular pan-and-scan and I was
>surprised they did not try to do something about the prologue titles
>'cause you couldn't see a whole line till it was vertically in the
>middle.
>-- 
>Robert Chao
>Oakland, California

I missed TNT's 2001 last week, but when 2001 was originally released,
it was labelled "Super Panavision 70" and was shown at theatres
with Cinerama screens. I *think* (and I know I'll be slapped if i'm
wrong) that the aspect ratio for Cinerama was roughly 3x the width
of standard 35mm, since I remember seeing HoW The West was Won at
a Cinerama theatre back in the olden days when they had to use 
three projectors, and thus you got a visible split where the
synched projections were joined on the screen, and each of the
three sections looked to be about the same aspect ratio as 35mm
film, or a standard television screen. 

So based on this totally non-informed formula :-) , if 2001
was in Cinerama aspect ratio, to see the entire screen width on
a tv set, you would have a very wide, short picture centered
on your screen. From your description, it sounds like TNT didn't
deliver the entire picture. Ask Ted Turner for a cheerful refund :)

Harv
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From: Roger.Neumann@bbs.gold.sub.org (Roger Neumann)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:19:46 GMT
Organization: Unix Mailbox Baldham
Subject: Looking for an Editing Programm
Distribution: world
Reply-To: Roger.Neumann@bbs.gold.sub.org (Roger Neumann)
X-Posting-Software: UniBoard 1.10b S/N 165921

Hello out there
 
I'm searching for a codebook programm. We wan't to try to swap the work
from paper to computer. BUT, there is a big problem. For instance we
have the negative key KJ 07 0211 1410 on a film piece, but we type for
a take usually only KJ 07 211 1401-1592. This programm should be able
to still find it. 
 
I hope for many replies. If someone knows where we can find such a
program (or other editor programs.
 
Yours
             Roger
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From: dododge@wam.umd.edu (David O. Dodge)
Subject: Re: 2001 shown letterboxed on TNT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:55:51 GMT

In article <70086@cup.portal.com> Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:
>>
>>the cable channel TNT just showed 2001 letterboxed.
>>my question is, was it fully letterboxed? I mean, wasn't the
>>original film image still wider than that? My friend's Blade Runner
>>laserdisc seemed to use only 1/3 or the total video screen;

"Blade Runner" used a different film process (anamorphic Panavision) and
has a wider aspect ratio than 2001 (2.35:1 vs. 2.21:1).

>I missed TNT's 2001 last week, but when 2001 was originally released,
>it was labelled "Super Panavision 70" and was shown at theatres
>with Cinerama screens. I *think* (and I know I'll be slapped if i'm
>wrong) that the aspect ratio for Cinerama was roughly 3x the width
>of standard 35mm

Not really. Remember that the Cinerama screen is curved, so when you're
sitting back and looking at it the left/right panels "appear" thinner
than the center panel. The actual intended aspect ratio was somewhere
in the 2.0-3.0 range (I don't have my references handy).

>three sections looked to be about the same aspect ratio as 35mm
>film

Actually I think the panels were roughly square on the 35mm film, but again
I don't have my books with me.

>if 2001 was in Cinerama aspect ratio, to see the entire screen width on
>a tv set, you would have a very wide, short picture centered
>on your screen. From your description, it sounds like TNT didn't
>deliver the entire picture.

2001 is Super Panavision, i.e. 70mm 5-perf 2.21:1 spherical. The "Cinerama"
logo in the credits really doesn't belong there, though I'm sure the
film was shown on those screens (probably with some optical adjustments
to make it look right on the curved screen).

In any case I really doubt TNT would show it fully letterboxed. More likely
they had it between 1.85 and 2.0, but I didn't see it so I can't be sure.

                                       -Dave Dodge/dododge@wam.umd.edu
From: aide@csc.liv.ac.uk (Ian Finch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: >>>RISING SUN (Was RE. Jurassic Park Spoiler)
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:30:40 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Ttewelb C.L. Dlanod (hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca) wrote:
> 
>                      it would be the first time, to my knowledge, that a 
> group of actors appeared in TWO movies with the same title, that had
> absolutely nothing to do with each other.  
> 
Well, there was Highlander and Highlander 2 (:-)

Cheers,
         Ian (ian@compsci.liverpool.ac.uk)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 19 Nov 1992 08:35:57 CST
From: <U28698@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Malcolm X

I just saw 'Malcolm X' yesterday at its opening in Hyde Park (Chicago).  Even t
hough I've read every single word on or by this man (that I've been able to get
 my hands on), I was still absolutely absorbed in this film.

About the fear of riotting, I went to see The Hunt for Red October at this same
 theater, and when I was leaving, a swarm of seemingly fifty people ran up to t
he guys in front of me, and beat the HELL out of them (with weapons).  This did
n't even make the local newspaper.

On the other hand, I went to see New Jack City at THIS SAME THEATER, and when I
 was leaving, I guy got knifed, and this made NATIONAL NEWS.

The media tells you only what they want to tell you.  Whether it's a race issue
, or a ratings issue, or both I'm not gonna comment, but I think you know the a
nswer.

Do yourself a favor.  Watch this film.  You're NOT gonna get knifed or beaten.
 Spike Lee's too smart to let that happen.

This is a beautiful movie.  Unlike JFK, it's 100% fact (unless, of course malco
lm X is full of crap, NOT).  Unlike Gandhi, it's authentic and doesn't make any
 group of people seem evil.  Unlike Lawrence of Arabia, it includes reality wit
h it's poetry.

If you live in Chicago and are afraid to see this film.  Then tell me, I'll go
with you.  I'll watch this movie ten times if I can afford it.

Assalamu Alaikum.
Omes.
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula filming question
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:13:04 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

machin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Machin) writes:

>I've heard from several places that all the effects in Dracula were done
>before camera, with no computer's.  Is this true?  And is there some
>kind of documented source to prove it?

Try watching the movie.

8-)
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
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From: dika@wam.umd.edu (Ting Lin)
Subject: Re: "Bram Stoker's Dracula" hits big, first weekend
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
	My friends and I went to the theatres to see Bram Stokers DRACULA.  
                                                                             
	Went the next day, bought tickets four hours before the show.  Also
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:06:04 GMT

	The movie was not all that bad.  Some of my friends didn't like but
I personally liked it.  The acting could have been better but the movie itself
was pretty good.  The story is told and that is the bottom line.  But the way
it was told can be debated as cheezy or magnifecent (I fall somewhere in the 
middle IMHO).  I think that the reason that some of my friends didn't like it
is because they were expecting a real thriller.  With Anthony Hopkins and 
Martin Scorcese there is got to be excitement galore or at least a good scare
in this flick.  It was neither scary (at least after the first half hour passed
and the real story continues) nor thrilling to the extent that My friends nor
I were expecting.  However it was a movie where we are treated to a tale and
that is it, just a story about the beginning of DRACULA and the end of him/it.


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From: lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon Ponschock)
Subject: _Hollywood Vs. America_ by Michael Medved... info please
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:43:49 GMT
Summary: Information request for past posts on this book
Keywords: Medved,Hollywood Vs. America


==>  I missed reading the thread on Michael Medved's new book on 
Hollywood and how it depicts Amercian culture.

	If anyone has archived this material, please forward by mail.

	No ftp available at this site.

Thanks :-)

lon
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From: boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Wanted:  Current goofs list
Date: 18 Nov 1992 20:00:01 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1ee4lcINN1u9@bigboote.WPI.EDU> boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert) writes:
>	Could someone please email me the most recent movies goofs list.
>Thank you.

	Leave it to me to not read the messages before.  Never mind about the
email - I'll FTP it froom boulder.colorado.edu.  Sorry about wasting
bandwidth, folks.




-- 
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From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: "Bram Stoker's Dracula" hits big, first weekend
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:37:54 GMT

In article <R1HeuB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky) writes:
>dika@wam.umd.edu (Ting Lin) writes:
>[stuff deleted]
>> middle IMHO).  I think that the reason that some of my friends didn't like it
>> is because they were expecting a real thriller.  With Anthony Hopkins and 
>> Martin Scorcese there is got to be excitement galore or at least a good scare
>> in this flick.  
>[more stuff deleted]
>
>I assume when you talk about Scorcese you are referring to his very
>brief cameo. Personally, I found it one of the most shocking scenes 
>in the film. Who would have thought he had it in him?
>
Ok, I admit I missed this one.  Where was he?


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From: wood@siemens.com. (Jim Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Anthony Hopkins
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:21:31 GMT

oddekalv@vxcrna.cern.ch (Oyvind H.Oddekalv, bld.16 1-021, phone 3708) writes:

>nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup) writes...
>>Would love to know of other movies he has been in.  Just rented "84
>>Charing Cross Road" which was nice.  And will be seeing "Dracula" at
>>some point.  Have seen "Silence of the Lambs".    Any suggestions/
>>reviews would be very welcomed.... thanks.

>He's playing the doctor that takes care of the elephantman in David Lynch's 
>'Elephantman'. He played in the recent 'Back to Howard's End'. 

We shouldn't forget his youthful work as Richard the Lion-Hearted
in "The Lion in Winter" (1968), which starred Katharine Hepburn as
his mother, Eleanor of Aquitaine, and Peter O'Toole as his father,
King Henry II of England.

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 You are not forgotten.  Your smile will echo forever."
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From: hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Ttewelb C.L. Dlanod)
Subject: >>>RISING SUN (Was RE. Jurassic Park Spoiler)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:18:43 GMT


You guys are going to hate this but...

ThompsonMR@uk.ac.aston.spock (Mark Thompson) writes:

:       This is from Empire magazine :
:
:       Currently shooting Philip Kaufman's thriller The Rising Sun, Opposite
:Sean Connery, Harvey Keitel, and Wayne's World babe Tia Carrere, piping hot
:workaholic Wesly Snipes is slated to play Hollywood's first black superhero,
:The Black Panther, about an African King, who morphs into a black panther to
:perform heroic deeds...
:
:    So, there you go.


It seems someone didn't notice that there was more than one book called
Rising Sun (or The Rising Sun).  This is obviously not the same book, so all
debate is moot.  However, it does raise an interesting possiblity.  If 
Crichton's Rising Sun is ever made into a movie, and the same actors are
hired to play in it, it would be the first time, to my knowledge, that a 
group of actors appeared in TWO movies with the same title, that had absolutely
nothing to do with each other.  

Oh well, all us Crichton fans can keep our eyes open for any news about a 
possible big screen adaptation of Rising Sun, or any other of his best sellers.

Donald L.C. Blewett

hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca

Oh master, you're so evil!!! 

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From: vaughanj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jake Vaughan)
Subject: Re: 2001 shown letterboxed on TNT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:27:58 GMT

In article <By3GAy.24x@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>
>the cable channel TNT just showed 2001 letterboxed.
>my question is, was it fully letterboxed? I mean, wasn't the
>original film image still wider than that? My friend's Blade Runner
>laserdisc seemed to use only 1/3 or the total video screen; 2001
>on TNT seemed to have much thinner bars on the top and bottom.
>
>By the way, I rented Star Wars in regular pan-and-scan and I was
>surprised they did not try to do something about the prologue titles
>'cause you couldn't see a whole line till it was vertically in the
>middle.
>-- 
>Robert Chao
>Oakland, California

I think it is great that broadcasters are now more frequently playing films in widescreen, or letterbox.  I think that either TNT or TBS is going to play forbidden planet in letterbox tonight.  This should be great.


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