HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Torretta for the Heisman?
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:23:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: titan.1992Nov5.222356.7292
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin

In article <1992Nov5.182901.22012@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.142107.717@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>  
>conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>
>> >Lloyd Hill 14  Trevor Cobb 21
>> >
>> Uh oh, could this be a Rice WOOF????  Or is this just a Trevor Cobb
>> fan?
>
>Just a Trevor Cobb fan - though disappointed, since I thought he'd
>be the best thing I saw this year at Wallace Wade (Duke's) Stadium.
>
>And after the pasting of Duke in the second to last All-American Bowl
>(yes, any bowl with Duke and State two consecutive years deserves to die)
>I couldn't resist a TT directed jab...  
>
>> Texas Tech 42 (Lloyd gets 35 of those)  
>> Rice 21 (Trevor gets 21 of those)
>
>I won't argue with your total score...
>
>--
>Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov

Should be a very interesting matchup this Sat.  Cobb is leading the SWC
in scoring with 68 points and Hill is 4th with 54.  This is the category
usually reserved for kickers.  

Cobb averages 5.3 yards/carry and 126.0 yards/game.
Hill averages 16.3 catches/game for 7.4 yards/catch and 120.4 yards/game.
He needs one catch to break Tech's career number of catches in a year,
11 yards for most yards in a year, and 41 to break the all-time yards in
a career, so he should be gunning for some records this week.  Also, 
Tech ranks next-to-last in rushing defense, giving up 218.3 yards/game.
Rice is 3rd-to-last in passing defense, giving up 260.1 yards/game.  I
wouldn't look for a defensive struggle this week.  I think the advantage
Tech will have over Rice is that this is definitely not a 1-man offense.
Morris, Tech's rb is 3rd in the conference at 98.6 yards/game and Tech
has several other receivers who make several catches each game for 100+
yards ontop of Hill's.  Should be an interesting offensive day.



Paul (maybe they can both with the Heisman - yeahright) Conditt
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college,alt.licker.store
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Boilerweenie Alert!!!
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:13:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov06.163540.12536@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)  
writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.215906.9094@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu  
(Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
> >than Alabama (numerous thread titles).  A certain Mr. Dave Meeks (clever
> >last name, I must admit) contributed to all of them, generally uspetting a
> 
> Oh.. go ahead Cliff, pick on my name...  I could say something about 
> last name's too, but wouldn't want the wraith of the One True Goober (tm)
> cast down upon me :-)		 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Much less the True Goober himself, for Shaven-Yak Eve is near...

--
************** "Frank, shut up and push the button" **************
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: poutsmaj@mace.cc.purdue.edu (unknown)
Subject: Re: Northern Iowa no longer unbeaten
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:59:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.100806@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov07.223140.22719@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>, cfnag@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Norm Garrett) writes:
>>FLASH!
>>
>>Eastern Illinois has just defeated previously unbeaten Northern Iowa in a
>>Gateway Conference game.  The score was 21-15.  Eastern is now 4-6 and
>>Northern Iowa 8-1.
>>
>>Eastern led at the half 14-0.  Northern Iowa scored to make the score 14-7
>>and Eastern scored with less than 2 minutes left to put the game away.
>>Northern Iowa scored with 30 seconds left to close the gap to 21-15 after
>>a successful 2 point conversion.  A Northern Iowa onsides kick after the
>>touchdown was recovered by Eastern, who then ran the clock out.
>>
>I saw the score on tv and couldn't believe it.  Okay, who woofed up
>the Panthers to this loss?
>--
>Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
>(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
>(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA

I think it was actually the other way.  The lack of PDunn's prediction of
their win hurt their chances significantly.  Or maybe it was lack of a DOME
and they had to play outside in crappy weather (Youngstown St all over again).
Or maybe the scoreless first half was a carry over from the week before in
which they looked lathargic after halftime against ISU (I was at that game).
Road games in Illinois always scare me (as a Panther fan).  I'm glad Western
Ill is in the dome next week.

Now, if I'm right, all the IAA teams have at least one loss against other
IAA teams (I'm not sure about Delaware).  It looks to be a wide open playoffs
this year, especially with Marshall starting to stumble.

As for the rankings, if they are done properly, with no bias toward later games
the number 1 ranking could legitimately go to one of many teams inc UNI, 
Delaware, or the Citadel, etc.  In fact, if Florida A&M still only has two
losses (with one against Miami which I never count in my rankings anyway),
they could claim number one as well.

It will be an interesting week in the IAA r.s.f.c poll.

paul
From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: WAR OVER!!!! MIAMI WINS !!!!!!
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:19:01 GMT

In article <dkm2.721180535@Isis.MsState.Edu> dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
>Well, it seems the dispute between Washington and Miami for #1 is now over.
>Arizona wins 16-3 over Washington and Miami will rightfully be the new
>undisputed #1 college team in the nation.  Flame on buddy, I don't care.
>
>WASHINGTON LOST, nuff said!
>
>David
>
>
>-- 
>               David K. Magee | "Mandrake! Get over here and feed me that  
>         MIS Graduate Student |  belt boy.  The Redcoats are coming! "
> Mississippi State University |
>          dkm2@ra.msstate.edu |   -  General Jack Ripper, Dr. Strangelove 

WAR OVER - NOT!!!
Sorry, but how about this:  

Alabama cruises through the SEC, going undefeated.  Let's say, for some reason,
Miami goes undefeated.  Now, it'll probably be Miami as #1, 'Bama as #2.  Is
it possible for the Hurricanes and the Crimson Tide to face each other in a
Bowl? (This Bow(e)l Alliance still has me confused...)

Also, don't forget...Miami has to face the Orangemen of Syracuse at the Carrier
Dome.  As much as I despise SU, I think they've got the best chance of ending
Miami's little reign of terror.

Dreading this weekend's PSU-ND game,
Jeremy Hall
Penn State Univ.
jdh@math.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: WE WANT MIAMI!!
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 07:31:48 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Keywords: Nebraska best team in the nation again!
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <BxH8MB.Fty@encore.com>, jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>Scott, the Miami team has won 79 of their last 83 regular season games.
>Sure the movable goal posts they had installed a few years ago help
>but with only 4 regular season losses in the last 7 1/2 years it really
>doesn't matter where they play. I'm sorry if stating Miami's record
>sounds like arrogance :-( but the numbers are correct .
>
I'll agree.  But playing them at home isn't any easier.   And I don't
believe any team should have a homefield advantage for a bowl.
--
Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
From: ds4@soc7.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: It just can't be....
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:03:19 GMT

All of you out there posting that Arizona beat Washington, should stop lieing. 
The ALL-MIGHTY washington couldn't of lost to (as all washington fans put it
after the Miami scare) the scrub of the Pac 10.  No way could a team as powerful
and dominating as Washington (We all know that Washington is the state of
football...they said so) could of lost to a nothing team, which 'they' so aptly
put it to discredit Miami.

-ds4

Watch what ya say.....it might come back and haunt you.
From: zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Mike)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: What happened to OU?
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:01:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Originator: zmed0b@zircon


In article <1992Nov9.160839.13446@Arco.COM>, mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
> In article <1992Nov6.084806@mccall.com>, scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
> writes:
> > 
> > In article <1992Nov4.112116@trc.amoco.com>, zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Mike)
> > writes:
> > >Probation happened to OU, pal.  Try cutting your scholarships in half
> > for >several years and see what happens to your team.  It ain't pretty
> > and OU >probably won't be top-flight for a couple more years.
> > >
> > So why don't the OU fans understand Gibb's predictament?
> > Sending a UHaul to his house.  Some support.
> > --
> > Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
> > (uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
> > (800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
> 
> Scott,
>   I'm sorry, but, I have to say you are correct. It saddens me when
> my clueless OU friends don't understand this. These are people that
> are losers in everyday life and the only thing that is positive is
> OU Football, and when they aren't winning, they get upset.
> 
>                                                     .....Mike
> 
> -- 
> 
> Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com

Mike,

I'm sorry, but, I have to say that you are a complete idiot.  Your accusation
in reference to Oklahomans is without basis and devoid of any intelligence
whatsoever.  Clearly, you are a dolt.  Have a nice day.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: duane@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Duane Cripe)
Subject: Purdue if played at Michigan
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:31:32 GMT

>Subject: Re: Michigan, the leaders and the best

>>Reading all this Michigan-Purdue postings caused me to write.  If Michigan 
>had been playing at home, I would bet that they would have won by at least 
>24 points.  With the exception of Florida State, Michigan won all it's home 
>games for the past two years.  
>>I think Alabama is a good team, but over all Michigan should still be 
number 3.
>
>Gee, you gloss over that loss to Florida State fairly quickly. I know you
>would like to not include it but you lost in your own back yard 51-31.
>
>Why do you now think Michigan would have won by 'at least 24 points' over
>Purdue if the game was at Michigan ????
>Does that mean that if last years game was at Florida State they would
>have won by 40 points over the hapless Michigan team ?
>
>Justin Frederich

To be honest, and my blood flows Black & Gold (Purdue, not GT or Iowa), I
would think 24 would be the minimum.  During our heyday with Mark Herrman
and winning 3 bowl games in 3 years ('79-81), we never could do well in
Ann Arbor.  If I remember correctly, one of those years we lost 42-0.
I don't know what value this adds to the ever increasing postings on the
matter....just my $0.02847228927823 worth.
-- 
Duane Cripe
Austin, TX

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: Will the Hurricanes chicken out?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:24:12 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <Bxnsq1.5KK@encore.com> jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa) writes:
>
>The best matchup:
>	#3 Texas A&M vs #1 Miami in the Cotton Bowl
>
>or the "Mama, told me to stay home" chicken matchup:
>	#7 Nebraska (10-1) vs #1 Miami in the Orange Bowl
>
>What will Miami do?  Do what's best and play the higher ranked team,
>or go for the bucks, the home field advantage and chicken out staying
>home for Nebraska?
>

Have you guys notice many T-shirts, hats, blah blah blah, of the CANES
show a piece of meat which closely resembling a chicken?   So I guess most
of you would know the answer already!

BTW, that "chicken" appears to be pushing or fighting something.  But unlike
Notre Dame's Fighting Irish, that "chicken" seems to be pushing the oven's
door, instead of gesturing for a tough challenge...  So I guess, one again,
most of you would know the answer already!

I really want to see Notre Dame humilates Miami at the Orange Bowl...



- Louis
From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Glen Mason to Ohio State?
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:51:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs

In article <DOEL.92Nov10113948@bbq.bae.bellcore.com>, doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel) writes:
|> 
|> Steve Casburn writes:
|> 
|> >      I'm not making any predictions here -- just pointing out some other
|> > possibilities. And if Cooper beats Michigan and wins a bowl game, who knows
|> > what will happen with him. It's all up in the air right now.
|> 
|> I'd say if Cooper is able to do either (provided we beat Indiana this
|> weekend), he'll definately be back despite all the hootin' and hollerin' of
|> the fans.  That would put us at least at 9-3 which would be our best record
|> under Cooper.  You don't fire a guy after his best year.  Granted, he may
|> decide to leave on his own, but I'd say that's a pretty slim possibility
|> right now.  He doesn't strike me as a quitter (USC game a few years ago
|> excepted :-)).
|> 
|> This leads me to wonder.  How is the mood in Columbus right now regarding
|> Cooper?  Are people still all over his case or are they just waiting with
|> bated breath for the next loss so they can scream bloody murder once more?
|> I'd like to think that if the Buckeyes were able to go 9-3 that people would
|> lay off his case for awhile.
|> 
|> --
I have been one of those you has slammed Ohio State on occasion and I still
feel Ohio State will never reach a consistant level under Coach Cooper,
however this team is playing better and could well be 9-2 going into a
bowl game. If this team gets by Indiana, I feel they will beat Michigan at
home, this team will self motivate itself for the Michigan game and they
defenitly have the talent to beat them. 

-- 
Jeff Nappi
Columbus Bell Labs
jjn@cbjjn.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Michigan, the leaders and the best
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:09:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.193245.17270@zip.eecs.umich.edu> graf@felix.engin.umich.edu  writes:



   Reading all this Michigan-Purdue postings caused me to write.  If Michigan had been playing at home, I would bet that they would have won by at least 24 points.  With the exception of Florida State, Michigan won all it's home games for the past two years.  
   I think Alabama is a good team, but over all Michigan should still be number 3.

I think we can finally put these arguments to rest.  Many michigan people
seem to feel that Michigan, and not Alabama, should have been rated 3rd in
the country.  Alabama people seem to have felt that they deserved to be
ranked ahead of Michigan.  Well, now we both have gotten our wishes.

ibll
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Torretta for the Heisman?
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:29:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.142107.717@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>  
conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:

> >Lloyd Hill 14  Trevor Cobb 21
> >
> Uh oh, could this be a Rice WOOF????  Or is this just a Trevor Cobb
> fan?

Just a Trevor Cobb fan - though disappointed, since I thought he'd
be the best thing I saw this year at Wallace Wade (Duke's) Stadium.

And after the pasting of Duke in the second to last All-American Bowl
(yes, any bowl with Duke and State two consecutive years deserves to die)
I couldn't resist a TT directed jab...  

> Texas Tech 42 (Lloyd gets 35 of those)  
> Rice 21 (Trevor gets 21 of those)

I won't argue with your total score...

--
************** "Frank, shut up and push the button" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
From: ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Sunday morning QB
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:00:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: haydn.1dmji8INNao7
Distribution: na
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu

kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>o After all that, SDSU still controls it's destiny to the Holiday Bowl.
>  They have to beat Hawaii and Fresno St at home in the next 2 weeks.
All BYU fans are rooting for SDSU to beat Hawaii next week.  Then there will be
a four-way tie for the conference lead.
-- 
Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Meeks = Corso = CORRECT!!!!!
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:02:11 GMT
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov9.170458.13564@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
>In article <1992Nov09.150233.35460@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>> 10) Notre Dame		- average schedule, loss to Stanford, tied Michigan
>
>
>Let's see, ND played Michigan, Stanford, and BC.  They also play PSU and
>USC.  That's 5 solid teams out of 11.  How does this qualify as average?
>Do teams with tough schedules play that many more good teams?  Even NDs
>bunnies are at least hard-hitting teams (that have come on hard times).
>I won't try to argue that it's a REALLY tough schedule, but is it really
>that much worse than Miami's, Washington's, or FSU's?  I'm curious.

First remember that my ratings were as of THIS week.  ND plays the toughest
part of it's schedule in it's last 3 weeks.   They did get to play 3 top
25 teams, but they also got to play them all at home.  In comparison, 
Miami has played 3 teams that were/are top 25, as well as a tough WVirginia
team.  They played 1 of those on the road.  Two of the teams they beat are
currently top 10.  Washington, they have played 4 teams currently in the
top 25, two of which are top 10.  In retrospect, ND should really be 
upgraded to "good" schedule, at this point.  After having to face PSU and
USC, they will qualify as "tough".
-- 
David T. Meeks            || "New shadows tugging at the corner of his eye
VMark Software, Inc.      ||  Jostling for attention as the sunlight flares
uvmark!davem@merk.com     ||  Through a curtains tear, shuffling its beams
davem%uvmark@merk.com     ||  As if in nervous anticipation of another day"
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Incomplete Big 8 Preview
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:23:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: mccall.1992Nov12.152359
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


My netnews feed got stalled for awhile.  So I'm missing
Gupta's and Schmidt's predictions.  I'll post it when I
get those.

Sat(11-14)	results		my	marsee	gupta	schmidt	Sagarin	nat
CU @ KU				3k	8k			even	3c
NU @ ISU			31n	28n			27n	28n
KSU @ MU			3ks	7m			5m	4m
OU @ OSU			7o	6o			11o	14o


PICKS/vs SPREAD
	this week	overall
Mine			39-11-1/16-20-1
MARSEE			29-11-1/17-24
Gupta			34-7-1/25-17
Schmidt			39-8-1/24-20-2
Sagarin			27-11-1/19-19-1
Nation			28-8-1/20-15-2
             
Mine
CU @ KU.....well, Neb blew both these teams away.  Last week CU hung
	onto the ball for a first all season.  If CU can keep the ball
	without giving it away, then they should win by 10.  But I
	doubt they will.  KU by 17-14.
NU @ ISU....a rest for the Huskers before going to Norman on Turkey
	Friday.  But the Clones are no pushover in Ames.  Huskers
	will rumble.  NU by 52-21.
KSU @ MU.....Sheesh.  KSU is still looking for a QB, while MU is
	looking for a DivIA and conf win.  I have trouble believing
	in either team.  A root from the heart...KSU by 31-28
OU @ OSU.....State of Oklahoma pride.  Sooners have found a new
	offense from the past.  OSU has played most folks tough
	lately.  A good chance for a Poke win, but OU 31-24.

Marsee's(place,rate)
CU	22-671			KU	16-692
NU	 1-937			ISU	54-543
KSU	70-493			MU	69-496
OU	27-646			OSU	67-498

GUPTA's picks(place,rate,score)
CU	18-256.90		KU	21-251.21
NU	 1-311.36		ISU	84-160.93
KSU	65-187.86		MU	96-138.05
OU	38-219.00		OSU	78-174.10

Schmidt's picks(place,pts,str)


Sagarin(team,place,rate,sch.str;opp,place,rate,sch.str)
CU	13-84.77-74.77		KU	22-81.86-73.38
NU	 1-99.36-76.25		ISU	74-69.47-69.60
KSU	81-68.10-69.57		MU	66-70.26-78.80
OU	21-82.05-71.78		OSU	78-68.49-76.87

	conf		overall	
NU      4-0-0           7-1-0
KU      4-1-0           7-2-0
CU      3-1-1           7-1-1
OU      3-1-1           5-3-1
OSU     2-3-0           4-5-0
KSU     1-3-0           4-4-0
ISU     1-4-0           3-6-0
MU      0-5-0           1-8-0

TV games are CST.
PrimeNetwork....B8 games at midnight Sat and 6pm Sunday.  All 8
	coaches show starting at 3pm Wed.
KCNC, Denver affiliate NBC, is carrying other CU games.
Sat(11-21)
	ISU @ CU
	KU @ MU		 1:00pm
	KSU @ OSU	 1:10pm
Fri(11-27)
	NU @ OU		12:30pm ABC

Sat(12-5)
	KSU v NU(Toyko)  9:00pm

--
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(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
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