From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Subject: Re: Can Yeltsin reelect parlament now?
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:56:11 GMT

In article <62918@mimsy.umd.edu>, vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov) writes:
|> In article <BzEsCI.DMB.1@cs.cmu.edu> smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov) writes:
|> >In article <62898@mimsy.umd.edu>, vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov) writes:
|> >|> In article <Bz9uxs.KH3.1@cs.cmu.edu> smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov) writes:
|> >|> >   No any zeros can help now. Today a new Prime Minister was elected by
|> >|> >the "qualified majority" - Chernomyirdin. His first words and his
|> >|> >"chernaya myirda" reminded the blissful time of Party leadership.
|> >|> >Perhaps, Gaidar wasn't thin too, but he is an educated person !
|> >|> >Maphia is still strong, KGB ne spit.
|> >|> 
|> >|> Sam durak. How can you know who is better for Russia, Gaidar or
|> >|> Chernomydrin? By listening to American TV and radio? Then you are
|> >|> dangerously stupid. By the way, even great American TV is in
|> >|> disagreement on whether fall of Gaidar was good or bad.
|> >|> Today they ran little talk show on PBS (Lehrer/McNeil News Hour)
|> >|> from which one can see that some people (half of people who spoke)
|> >|> feel OK about this new prime minister with difficult-to-pronounce
|> >|> name. It is, probably, his only big disadvantage.  ....
|> 
|> 
|> >   BTW, CMU has SAT, if something serious is happenning in your country,
|> >you can come to a library and switch on the TV. I posted this information
|> >after seeing Chernomyirdin's first press-conference which release was posted
|> >today in scs. 
|> 
|> Don't overestimate Russian TV. Probably it displays, so to say, more
|> freedom of thought, but, as any vehicle of propaganda, it can be (and, I
|> think, is) manipulated. 
|> 
   You are right in manipulation. But I always had a "harmful" habit of not
trusting xSU and Russian TV. I suppose not to be alone in this habit.
Chernomyirdin's press-conference was fully shown without cuts (kupyur),
it was enough to see that he has no ideas, but only words about "neukloonom
vozrastanii blagosostoyaniya narodov Rossii".
|> 
|> > His behaviour and answers completely identified his
|> >"apparatno-partiinoe" origin.
|> 
|> Then, why are you taken back by his "apparatno-partiinoe" origin?
|> Doesn't Yeltsin have the same origin. Who doesn't have this origin
|> among `powers that be' now in Russia/xSovok?
|> 
   Yep, and this is his biggest disadvantage. This origine like sea cables tie
   his arms and legs. Last year a truthful documentary film was shown on TV in
   Russia. 
   Yeltsyn was asked : " Did you have good relations with Gorbachev ?"
   His immediate response : " We never drank togather."
   I considered Yavlinsky and Gaidar to be from a new generation, but they
   were not allowed to do something.

|> 
|> >And the new Russian "democracy" is a kind of mafia - the third one, while the 
|> >first two are sufficiently strong and not separated but to the oposite ...
|> 
|> So you like `democratic mafia' more than `centrist mafia'? Or what?
|> Corruption, it looks like, reigns supreme under new democrats.
|> In this respect they don't differ much from old apparatchiks.
|> 
   There were 3-4 so-called Jewish food stores in St-Petersburg in the beginning
   of 1992. They had Israel products of very high quality and lowest price among
   hard-currency stores. There competitors were not happy with this neighbores,
   they payed a bribe to the authorities to prohibit Jewish food sellings.
   All sorts of mafia participated in this dirty action ( prilozhili k etomu
   ruku ) - cetristy, demokratisty, apparatisty, dofinisty, etc. I'm using the
   word mafia to denote the unlimited power like in this case.
|> 
|> >And the absolute absense of his own thoughts in Chernomyirdin's speech showed
|> >that his is a mannequin, the only question was - who is pulling his threads.
|> 
|> Or it showed that he's cautious guy, and he's looking around,
|> and doesn't want to reveal his plans at once.

   He should be cautious when having no ideas he will try to keep his chair ! 

|> Or, maybe, you want to say that one has thoughts only if he speaks much?
|> 
   Just to the opposite ( on skazal tak mnogo, chto umudrilsya ne skazat' nichego
   krome izvestnyih lozungov 70-h, plyus nemnogo o prodolzhenii demokraticheskoi
   linii part..., izvinite pravitel'stva) he told so much that managed not to
   tell anything besides well-know slogans of 70-th.


|> >Speeking about Gaidar:education is a nice thing that cannot be hiden in a pocket 
|> >for ever. Like Chekhov's rifle it'll shoot once. Now Russia doesn't have even a
|> >pneumatic pistol. 
|> 
|> Da Vy, baten'ka, chekhovskiy idealist.
|> Nebos', ser'ezno verite, chto Rossiey kogda-libo budut upravlyat'
|> kul'turno-obrazovannye lyudi, i vse budet kak u Campanelly.
|> I sad ne vyrubyat, i kapitalisty navaryatsya, i vse pogolovno budut
|> mecenatami.
|> 
|> 
   Nu zachem zhe tak real'no ? U manya dazhe slezu proshiblo ot takoi kartiny.
   Vsye pravitel'stvo hodit v rozovyih shortikah, delayut drug drugu reveransy
   i navarivayutsya, navarivayutsya, navarivayutsya. A narod ves' v dogadkah -
   po ushi, tak skazat', ili dazhe po samuyu makushku. I ved' ne srazu
   otmoyesh'sya. Tak v dogadkah i ostanesh'sya - otkuda eti ideal'nyie kartiny
   berutsya.

|> 
|> Vadim Maslov.
   
    Yury




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