HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Subject: Re: NeXTstep 3.0
Keywords: clock time loss
Reply-To: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan Math Dept
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:32:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.145335.1614@count0.cmhnet.org>  
cgb@count0.cmhnet.org  (Charles G. Bennett) writes:
> In article <basiji.714507571@milton>  
basiji@milton.u.washington.edu (David  
> Basiji) writes:
> > wjs@blorf.cpac.washington.edu (William Shipley) writes:
> > 
> [deleted]
>   My clock also loses about 10 min
> > per day.
> > 
> > Anyone else notice these probs?
> > 
> > David Basiji
> [rest deleted]
> 
> Mine too, but I never associated it with 3.0, BUT,come to  
think of it, I didn't  
> have the problem before...Hmmmm
> 
> Anyone else? 
> 
> Chuck
> -- 
> Chuck Bennett, BenaTong Consulting
> Harem Security (UNIX Consulting :-) )
> cgb@count0.cmhnet.org

I asked NeXT about it and they told me that this is a known bug  
and will be fixed in the final release.

--
Hal.Varian@umich.edu    Hal Varian
voice: 313-764-2364     Dept of Economics
fax:   313-764-2364     Univ of Michigan
                        Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
From: jcb (Jim Becker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Stability of Next as a company
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:46:06 GMT
	<868@rtbrain.rightbrain.com>
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   From: glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)
   
   Jim Becker writes
   > 
   > walking by Computer Attic on University in Palo Alto last week gave me
   > a gut feeling about the future of the black box.
   
   Computer Attic is a bad metric.  They never had their heart in the
   NeXT to begin with; I don't even know why they bother to fly the banners.

i seem to remember when Computer Attic originally got them  they  were
very  positive  on  the NeXT, and it was the place i went to play with
one.  didn't know of another  store  around  that  would  carry  them,
except BusinessLand. *That* was a high-priced store! Box  of  floppies
for $25!

back when the NeXT first came out they were in the windows of CA,  and
there was a lot of NeXT presence felt walking by or into the store.

as an update to my original post, the NeXT sign  has  now  disappeared
from the front window. there are still two banners in the back, with a
Mac banner in the middle of them. so it was there  for  at  least  two
years, and just vanished in the past week.

   A better place to go, for totally the opposite experience, is MacAdam
   computers in San Francisco.
   
not  finding  a decent NeXT store in all of Silicon Valley, and having
to go to San Francisco to find one, does not bode well for mass market
sales.  people need to see the machine to fall in love with it,  after
all. 

i'm  not  flaming  the NeXT, personally i think it's the best computer
i've seen (in twenty years).  however i was also involved heavily with
the  Amiga,  which teaches one that there are marketplace rules beyond
"mere"  technology.   this  is  unfortunate,  as  technically superior
products fall by the wayside and those  that  win  out  normally  lack
technical innovativeness and "spirit". seeing the Japanized version of
the  NeXT  made  me  understand  how  far  ahead  they are of Sun, for
example. but Sun rules the workstation market.

--

so, my big question with the Amiga became  "who  is  making  a  living
selling  third  party  products  for the machine".  it seemed that the
Amiga would support people that had other main-stream incomes, but not
those that "quit their day-jobs" and went fulltime.

anyone out there paying their mortgage  on  software  sales?   have  a
non-home office, and are making a profit?

-jim
--
 -Jim Becker / jcb@ncd.com   /   Network Computing Devices, Inc. (NCD)
From: nweaver@ocf.berkeley.edu (Nicholas Weaver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: expanding the dock
Date: 4 Sep 1992 15:12:27 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: hailstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep2.154312.1809@metrosoft.com} gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen) writes:
}In article <869@rtbrain.rightbrain.com} glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)  
}writes:
}} Tim Reed writes
}} } 
}} } I know this has been asked before, but I don't remember the answers.  
}} } Is there any way to expand the dock to hold more than 13 apps? What  
}} } about NeXTstep 3.0?
              [[[[[[[[[[[Product plugs deleted]]]]]]]]]]]]]

	Or. the other option is to get one of the PD/Shareware, such as
AppLauncher or whatever it's name is after RightBrain software got huffy, or
AltDock (I believe there are still copies of that floating around), and if
you want to get a commercial product, Engage is a nice one, and even hides
the image of the application you open and includes the elipses in the
alternet dock thing.

	Please note that unlike the previous posters, I am not affiliated
with Atheron Software Works (Engage), Metrosoft, OR RightBrain.

	Nick
-- 
                             Nicholas C. Weaver
nweaver@ocf.berkeley.edu                           nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu
It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, .signifying nothing.
              Everything I have learned has been by hearsay
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Handling foreign payments.
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:58:00
Distribution: world
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College

Having just had a run-in with my bank, I'm turning to the only
source of information I apparently have left.  Everyone else has
had plenty of advice, but none of it's really all that great (no
slight intended, guys!).

My problem is that my bank wants $35 to turn a check drawn on a
German bank into dollars in my account.  This is _not_ including
changing the money, if that's needed.  Since NeXT is such a world-wide
machine, I'm most likely not alone in this problem.  But, I've
never seen any postings about it.

What do other people do to solve this problem?  Do people just
require checks drawn on US banks?  [That, of course, just moves
the onus onto the sender instead of the receiver.]  How do things
work with dealers?  For instance, can a German dealer process funds
from France reasonably, or does one have to have dealers in every
blasted country?  Are there any options on-the-cheap?  [The problem
is obviously entirely different depending on whether your program
costs $500 or $50!]  Would it be worthwhile to have an account on
a Swiss bank and have people do direct deposit?

[Forgive me if you see this as an overly commercial posting.  I'm
pretty desperate.  And, hopefully this will help other people out
with the problem, which should help the market as a whole ...
besides, if you think I'm using this to help me in my selfish
money-grubbing, you can feel free to stop by sometime and look at
the balance in my bank account.  I'm _obviously_ not very good at
grubbing money ...]

Thanks,
--
scott hess <shess@ssesco.com>  <Who achieved programmer nirvana on Aug 11th>
12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
   <Text: One Class to bring them all and in the darkness bind them ...>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Subject: Diagram Palette for OMT
Summary: Diagram Palette for OMT ?
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:11:49 GMT


Since we live in an object-oriented world albeit a non-standand (thankgod)
one.  Does anybody have a Diagram palette for Rumboughs OMT or has anybody
ever done any CRC cards using a NeXT Product before?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gisli@hamilton.eecs.umich.edu (Gisli Ottarsson)
Subject: personal TeX formats and the -v option
Followup-To: gisli@engin.umich.edu
Keywords: tex
Reply-To: gisli@liapunov.eecs.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: us
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:22:51 GMT



Hi!

How does one go about installing a private TeX format on a NeXT?
The standard way, i.e.,

    alias mytex "virtex \&myfmt"

does not work since it does not accept the -v or -V TeXview options.

			Thanks

				Gisli
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From: gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu (Gottfried Mayer-Kress)
Subject: Re: Release 3.0 is shipping, as of Aug 24th. (?)
Reply-To: gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu (Gottfried Mayer-Kress)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:53:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.160934.377@parsec.mixcom.com> alberto@parsec.mixcom.com  
(Manuel Alberto Ricart) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.210040.303@cs.sfu.ca> oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Richard  
O'Neill) writes:
> >Since no-one on Usenet seemed all that sure, I thought I'd call NeXT and
> >ask when we might expect 3.0 to appear. I was told that it started  
'shipping'
> >on Monday, August 28th, and to expect my copy within a couple of weeks.
> >
> >This could just be bullshit to appease customers, but it's what they say.
> >
> 
> The next August 28th to land on a monday is not 'till 1997!
> 
> -- 
c'mon you guys, I know you are all DYING to get the new 3.0 but don't be THAT
pessimistic! If you read the mail header carefully you see that it mentions 
August 24, which happens to be a Monday, even in the current year 1992!

And if you bother to call NeXT's 800 number (848-NeXT) and press option #5
you can even get prompt information about when your CD has been shipped!
Is this great service or what?!

Let's give the hard working guys at NeXT a big round of (electronic) 
applause...


--
Gottfried Mayer-Kress
Center for Complex Systems Research, Department of Physics
3025 Beckman Institute, 405 N Mathews, Urbana, Il 61801
gmk@pegasos.ccsr.uiuc.edu (NeXT-Mail)
gmk@goshawk.lanl.gov, gmk@santafe.edu 
(217)-244-5877 (voice/fax modem),x8371(fax), x1994 (msg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: Neil Greene <deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu>
Subject: Re: NeXTSTEP Release 3
Reply-To: Neil Greene <deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu>
Organization: ARCI, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:45:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.122640.16046@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov(John W. Wooten)  
writes:
[stuff deleted]

I got bit by the non floppy bug also.  I purchased a 3.0 license for our  
existing cube running 2.1.  Ordered 3 new machines that came with 3.0  
pre-installed and with the shinny new CD-ROMs.  However, no way for me to  
upgrade my cube without that "3.0 upgrade-prep" diskette.  Although, we still  
tried our best to figure out what files were needed.   :-)

What exactly is needed to read the new CD-ROMS on a 2.1 system?  Is the kernel  
patched during the prep?

---
Neil Greene 
Director, Computer Information Systems ARCI, Inc.
President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc.
Email: deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu [NeXTmail]
Soon to be: neil@kynug.org, neil@benchmark.com
-- 
Neil Greene 
Director, Computer Information Systems ARCI, Inc.
President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc.
Email: deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu [NeXTmail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: bee@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Bill E. Eickmeier)
Subject: McGill X on a Turbo (was Re: Experiences with cubX ?)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:58:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.201428.14395@trlabs.CA> macg@trlabs.CA (Mike MacGregor) writes:
>
>I'd like to get X running on my Turbo (so that rules out McGill X).

Could someone in the know explain why McGill X doesn't work on a Turbo
but does on a NeXTstation - what's the fundamental difference here?

	Bill
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski)
Subject: Dialing Modem - interface?
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:35:59 GMT

Hi, 

I was just wondering -- is there a program out there that will
act as a phone dialing interface, accessing the modem?

My phone is set up on tone, but the * key is screwed because
that's the memory key.  My school uses phone registration and
requires the * key (the # key on my phone is ok).  I'd like a 
program that looks like a keypad and lets you dial a number, 
then maintains the phone line and lets you dial digits, like
7923#
2*415620600#
9#
the above sequence would register cpsc 620 in the 92 fall semester
at a&m for example.

I tried using kermit, but I got only as far as atm2, which sets up
the speaker to be on all the time, and then I managed to call the
registration computer.  But then when I tried to give an action
code, I used atdt7923#, which disconnects the line.

Any suggestions/ideas?
Please email and post optionally.
Thanks,
Andrew.
From: todd@liveware.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Hmmm... LOTS of NeXTs for sale in misc.forsale{.computers}
Keywords: Gazillion more than NeXT
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:56:09 GMT
Reply-To: todd@liveware.com
Organization: Liveware Corporation   Fort Collins, CO.  USA.

In article <1992Aug29.153455.18705@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com  
(Jim De Arras) writes:
> 
>  In article <1992Aug27.175511.13018@socrates.umd.edu> ice@socrates.umd.edu  
> (Fredrik Nyman) writes:

[ munch munch munch (thanks don for pacman NeXT!!!) ]

> 
> I see even more PeeCees being offered for sale there.
> 
> I wonder why?
> Lack of software?  The recession?  NT is about to be released?
> 
> :-) :-)
> 
> Jim

Could it be there are a gazillion PCs (well, okay millions) on
the used market and only about 50 thousand NeXT machines (if
you are optimistic...  Population stats might have something
to do with it also...

Todd
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: insignia@netcom.com (Insignia Solutions Inc.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: SoftPC and NextStep 3.0
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:23:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


There is a problem installing SoftPC 2.05 under NextStep 3.0.  The
Installer gives the error "cannot open package /unlabeled error 
reading softpc.info".  We have a installation disk modified for 
NextStep 3.0.  To receive this disk, please contact Vickie Gonsalves 
at 415/694-7622 with your registered Serial Number; there will be a 
one day delay in responding to your voice mail message.

For any other technical questions, please contact Technical Support 
at 415/694-7694.
  


-- 

*Sophia Jones insignia@netcom.com*   Insignia Tech Support (415) 694-7694
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jgg@proforma.com (J. G. Gregory)
Subject: Re: Stripping apps (was Re: Missile Command and Other Submissions)
Organization: Pro Forma
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:46:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.162123.23656@informix.com> cortesi@informix.com (David  
Cortesi) writes:
>In article <2A9426EC.49D4@deneva.sdd.trw.com> kieffer@spf.trw.com (Robert  
>Kieffer) writes:
>> 
>> Strip the executables, too!  MCommand.tar.Z has contains a 500K binary  
>> that strips down to 50K.
>
>Holy Toledo! Emacs 2.0 stripped from 722314 down to 81920!
>Can this be ok?  What have I lost?  Have I damaged it?

You are not missing anything except perhaps Emacs 2.1.  Emacs does not include  
emacs.  There is nothing big or fancy about Emacs, the NeXT front end to emacs.

--J Gregory
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: expanding the dock
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:43:12 GMT

In article <869@rtbrain.rightbrain.com> glenn@rightbrain.com (Glenn Reid)  
writes:
> Tim Reed writes
> > 
> > I know this has been asked before, but I don't remember the answers.  
> > Is there any way to expand the dock to hold more than 13 apps? What  
> > about NeXTstep 3.0?
> 
> There are several utility programs that do this nicely, one of which
> is our product, LaunchPad. Email to info@rightbrain.com for more  
details.
> 
> --
>  Glenn Reid        		NeXTmail: glenn@rightbrain.com
>  RightBrain Software		415-326-2974 (NeXTfax 326-2977)
>  Palo Alto, California

While you're at it, you may want to check out the new Application Launcher  
in MetroTools v1.1. It's the most configurable dock extender around, with  
several dock formats (including miniature icons), multiple docks, group  
launching, dock hiding, color coding and more. 

A demo of MetroTools is available on sonata, csorst and fiasko.

Disclaimer: I wrote it.

Gordon
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Van Huizen           vox: 619.488.9411  fax: 619.488.3045
Metrosoft                   gvh@metrosoft.com [NeXTmail welcome]
----------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.advocacy
From: lytras@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (Lytras Apostolos)
Subject: Re: Release 3.0 is shipping, as of Aug 24th. (?)
Keywords: NS3.0, NeXTSTEP
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:17:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.210040.303@cs.sfu.ca> oneill@cs.sfu.ca (Richard O'Neill) writes:
>Since no-one on Usenet seemed all that sure, I thought I'd call NeXT and
>ask when we might expect 3.0 to appear. I was told that it started 'shipping'
>on Monday, August 28th, and to expect my copy within a couple of weeks.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This could just be bullshit to appease customers, but it's what they say.

Are you sure about this? I wonder which year they meant ;-). This year, the
28th of August is not a monday, I think (writing this on Saturday, Aug 29).
You probably meant Monday, September 28, I guess...

>Anyway, now you know...

Have fun!
- Apostolos
-- 
	 lytras@ifi.unizh.ch   		|   Apostolos Lytras
	 lytras@avalon.physik.unizh.ch	|   Informatik Club der Uni
	 lytras@amiga.physik.unizh.ch  	|   Zuerich, SysAdmin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ajee@cad607.intel.com (Alvin Jee ~)
Subject: Ejecting a PLI floppy
Organization: Intel Corporation,  Design Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:10:36 GMT

Hello netters!
  I've got a PLI SuperFloppy connected to my 030 cube. How do I eject
a floppy out of it? Here's what I'm doing:

   I have some stuff tar'd to a floppy that I want to untar to my cube.
   So I do the tar xvf /dev/rsd1h thing.
   Wait for the panel to ask to insert the disk. When I do this, the
     Workspace does not look at the disk since I'm not really mounting
     it, I'm just feeding it to tar.
   When tar is finished, the floppy doesn't show up on the File Viewer
     as it shouldn't since it's not in a file system format.
   Now I want to eject the floppy and stick in a NeXT formatted floppy
     so I can copy stuff to the new floppy using the Work Space.

Two problems:
   1) Can't eject the original (tar) floppy. Since the WorkSpace doesn't
      know about it, I can't cmd-e it or drag it to the recycler.
      /etc/disk -e doesn't work either. It reports:
         unknown disk type: PLI SUPERFLOPPY   (or something to that effect).
 
      So I grab the ol' paper clip and manually eject the floppy.

   2) I stick in the Next formatted disk but the automount thing doesn't
      kick in, so I can't get it to mount the new floppy. Even /etc/mount
      doesn't work (even logged in as root).

      Also, we are back to problem #1 since I can't eject the new disk either.

Questions:
   How do I eject the disk after a tar.
   Is there a better way to do this?

Alvin Jee
alvin@cse.ucsc.edu

PS checked the FAQ's already. Didn't find any help.... :(
From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: Scanners: what kind do you use?
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 01:24:57 GMT

In article <l9tgn0INNng7@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> dmr@rugrat.Corp.Sun.COM  
(Daniel M. Rosenberg) writes:
> Hi folks --
> 	I'd like to hook up a decent, not-too-expensive Scanner to my
> Slab, and then doctor the photographs. Does anyone out there have
> a scanner they're pretty pleased with, a drawing program they can use
> to manipulate the resulting bitmaps?

Check out HSD scanners. They work really well, the new software is  
terrific, and they are on sale until the end of the month. Half off I  
think.

Disclaimer: I have done a bit of contract work for HSD.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
--
"High tech is potent, precise, and in the end, unbeatable. The truth is,  
it reminds a lot of people of the way I pitch horseshoes. Would you  
believe some of the people? Would you believe our dog? Look, I want to  
give the high-five signal to high tech."
                          George Bush, 4/25/89
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: vrr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (veenu.r.rashid)
Subject: Re: prices on c.s.n.announce -I want a vote!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:12:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.161133.18155@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.172015.14167@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>  
>ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson) writes:
>> I think the pricing server idea is a good one, although it still lets them
>> get the message accross but its better than blatant pricing information  
>spread
>> across the net.
>> 
>
><flame on>
>"blatant pricing information spread[ing] across the net"!  Sounds like prices  
>are some disease.  They are INFORMATION!  Get it?  
>
>Do you think CSN* is some sort of 'cold fusion' discussion group?  No, it's a  
>GREAT BIG COMMERCIAL!  It is for the support of commercial products of NeXT.   
>Most folks plan to *gasp* make money either using these machines, helping  
>other's use them, or in just plain honing thier marketable skills.
>
>This anti-price-only mentality plain baffles me.  I could understand (but not  
>support) an anti-commercial postings mindset, but not this cock-eyed mess  
>where, say, a Jack Reynold's style post (and I like your posts, Jack, don't  
>take offence here) magically becomes NOT a commerical if the $599.95 is changed  
>to $xxx.xx.  What powerful magic!  Now, suddenly, I see the posting as purely  
>informational, where before I say only a blatent, offensive, commercial.
>
>Bullshit.
>
><flame off>
>
>There, now I feel better.  Offended folks please respond by e-mail
>
>Jim De Arras
>jmd@cube.handheld.com (NeXTMAIL, with prices, welcome)


I think all the other comp.sys.*.* newsgroups routinely carry price
information about their products, without much flamage about this
content.  I wonder who thought up this policy here.


Veenu

vrr@cbnewsj.att.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: pwm@csis.dit.csiro.au (Peter Milne)
Subject: Is Allegro Common Lisp 3.1 broken under NS 3.0?
Organization: CSIRO Division of Information Technology
Distribution: world 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:53:21 GMT

According to Franz, Allegro Common Lisp 3.1 won't run under NeXTstep 3.0,
there is no workaround, and they won't be developing one.

Further questioning revealed they don't actually have NS 3.0 so they
can't have tried ACL 3.1 under it.  It seems that they are mainly interested
in having people pay to upgrade to ACL 4.1 which was due in September but
might be delayed until they get NS 3.0.

The actual version of Allegro Common Lisp I have is 3.1.20.  Can anyone
tell me for sure whether this works under NS 3.0?

I've got my fingers crossed that FrameMaker 2.0d will work under NS 3.0
too.  Anyone know about that?

Thanks
    Peter	(milne@csis.dit.csiro.au)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: Prices on c.s.n.announce
Reply-To: jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:17:18 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>Whatever it takes to put those prices back in should be done.

I agree with one additional request: that people properly mark
advertisements as such (or make a new group for ads).  I ask the same
of people that insist on posting RTF/NG and long posts.

All I am asking for is the posts to look like this:

"New VTxxx emulator (ad) (RTF)" if it's an RTF advertisement,
otherwise whatever applies.

From the extremely low number of people that post long articles
without adding '(long)' to the subject line, RTF posts without '(RTF)'
or ads without '(ad)', one might think it's really hard to do.
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu)
-- No NeXTmail please
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