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From: hilmera@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Andrew Hilmer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: variety of bitches/questions about trident, mice, and command shells
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:25:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Aug27.162549.6346
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.

In article <1992Aug27.104549.10466@cco.caltech.edu> nyet@cco.caltech.edu (n liu) writes:
>First things first. I've checked these all against the faq (a reasonably recent
>one), have not seen any of them discussed (although given the massive volume of
>this group i may a missed them), and have yet to bitch at IBM about them.

I bitched about the video problem a little while back and got ZERO
response, waaaa, waaaa :-). I hope you have better luck. Of course, I
might just take the logical course of action and call Trident, but...

>I have a 8900b trident 1m board.
>I snagged all the damn trident patches i could find off of hobbes.
>
>switching back from os2 full screen mode corrupts my 800x600x256 desktop.

This happens to me as well, and I have a 8900C board, and it sucks a
little harder because I use OS/2 full screen almost exclusively, and
the little colored lines bug me when I play PMMine. 

>using 8900bfix before exiting os2 fixes the screen, but os2 has to boot a 
>dos session to run the damn thing since it was supposed to fix the dos full
>screen problem. argh.

The reason that it "fixes" the corruption is that whenever you start up a
DOS session, it wipes the corruption. Try doing this with just a plain DOS
full screen session. I suppose it has to do with the loading of a completely
new driver: VVGA.sys or VSVGA.sys.

>On a related note, can we expect to see more font size options for windowed
>sessions? I understand these are included in the graphics drivers... i really
>need a tiny one that's not square (i.e. 8x8 hurts the eyes - not because its
>small but because its annoying since the letters are as high as they are wide)
>
>an 8x6 or 9x7 would be almost ideal.

If you had played around with it before you had installed the 800x600x256
driver, you would have seen a whole bunch of 6 and 7 bit wide fonts. When
I installed the virtual desktop, I was a little dismayed to find that they
had disappeared. I guess that it has to do with the fact that 6 and 7 bit
fonts are slower to render, and the Trident folks were nice enough to save
us the aggravation. I would hope that they would be more concerned about
bugs and whatnot, but that is the only reason I see for it.

andy 

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Can't delete WPS ATM fonts!
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:36:55 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <Btwvxo.Mw1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> gill@eagle (Warren Gill) writes:
>      I've installed several ATM fonts on my desktop through the
>   Font Palette, and now I can't delete them.  When I try to delete,
>   I get the message   [STOP]  Another program is using this font.
>   A font cannot be deleted while it is currently in use. (PMV2021)
>
>   I know it's not in use, as far as I can tell, but is it really?
>   I tried to use the font as my active window title text and it
>   showed up far to the left, so I changed to some other font.

Try a reboot, and then delete the font before you use it again.
Someimtes, the font isn't closed.  Even if it isn't being displayed
anywhere.  Be sure to count the instance of it in the Font Palette.

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From: jdarnold@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Jonathan Arnold)
Subject: Re: WinOS2 under specific DOS?
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 13:11:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.231440.8505@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <92244.140517TPERMUTT@UMAB.BITNET> Thomas Permutt <TPERMUTT@UMAB.BITNET> writes:
>>I want to buy a cheap CD-ROM drive and use Windows CD-ROM software under
>>OS/2.  Is this likely to work?  I have seen it suggested that most eccentric
>But why not buy something that works without fuss under OS/2 2.0?  For
>CD-ROM the safest approach, currently, is an Adaptec SCSI adapter with

But how do you get a setup like this to work under OS/2?  I have the
Adaptec 154x adapter, although it's hooked up to a SONY CD-ROM.  I
haven't figured out how to even try to get things to work.  There
isn't any mention of "CD-ROM" in the help files, nor any mention in
the skimpy OS/2 dox.  What next?

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From: weinkam@fraser.sfu.ca (James Lawrence Weinkam)
Subject: Re: os/2 win3.1 support
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:28:20 GMT

"roger ramsey" <roger.ramsey@canrem.com> writes:

>Richard Anstruther wrote on 09-02-92 regarding UN:OS/2 WIN3.1 SUPPORT:

>RA>BTW, did you notice the latest expose of MS's use of undocumented
>RA>system calls in Windows to give their apps the inside track over
>RA>the competition?  It 's in the latest PC week.

>Where?  I have both the August 17 and August 24 issues in front of me (the 
>latter arrived yesterday) with nothing on that.  Also, if that were true 
>then the FTC would definitely be doing **something** with the information 
>and they appear to be strangely reticent.

>This leads me to believe that if there are allegations, once more they are 
>either sour grapes or hot air.

I remember reading about 1 year ago in PC MAG about a program they
wrote which would identify all the windows calls an app used.  They
found that MS apps were using a lot of undocumented calls.  I will
try to find the article so I can post a date for you.

James
From: trepe00@DMI.USherb.CA (ERIC TREPANIER)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Is this system sufficient to run OS2 well???
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:00:55 GMT
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et d'Informatique

In article <9209031725.AA23913@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu> brown-sh@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (shawn c brown) writes:
>	I have this system and wondered if it would be good enough to run
>OS2 well, not just acceptably.
>
>	386-33 w/64K RAM cache
>	8 megs of RAM
>	120 MB ISA hard disk (reasonably fast)
>	Trident SVGA display card
>	Non-interlaced monitor
>	mouse (of course)
>
>	I benchmarked the system board against a PS/2 Model 80 and it blew
>it away, so I guess it's pretty fast...

If you plan on using mostly DOS/Windows apps, it might be "acceptable", but
not excellent.  Lots of swapping activity involved, especially when running
more than one Windows application at once.  It will work, but you won't be
amazed.  Your swapper.dat will frequently increase beyond 6Mb, which
means some decent disk trashing.

I had the same setup when I first started using OS/2.

I got a good deal on SIMMs, so I added 8Mb to my system (now 16Mb) and to
me, the performance increase (8->16) was every bit as signicant as the a
4Mb to 8Mb increase.  At 16Mb, I notice very little disk swapping, and my
swapper.dat usually stays at 1Mb (which is the minimum).

Some people will undoubtly say that I exagerate, and there will certainly
be one or two wise guys who say that they are running OS/2 on a 4Mb 386Sx
with 60Mb Hd and that it beats the shit out of DOS, but in my case, 8Mb
just did not cut it.  If I were to go back to 8Mb, I would choose
DOS+Windows over OS/2.

>
>-Shawn Brown
>-The Ohio State University

Eric
trepe00@tohi.usherb.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: harris@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Harris)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 Dead End (Help needed)
Keywords: hpfs, floppy, bugs
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:00:18 GMT

wolff@crc.ricoh.com (Gregory J. Wolff) writes:

>	Attempting to boot from the OS2 installation disks seems to be going
>	well until an error appears, the file A:\COUNTRY.SYS FILE NOT FOUND 
>	(or something close).  I know that the file is there, and have 
>	not had this problem before in booting from installation disks.
>	Also, I notice that the CONFIG.SYS file of disk #1 of the installation
>	disks has a IFS=HPFS... line in it.  

This sounds like your BIOS has been changed.  Double-check your floppy
drive settings.  HPFS should have nothing to do with your floppies.
And obviously you installed OS/2 before so it should work now.  Have you
changed any of your hardware?


______________________________________________________________________________
     Michael Harris - harris@catt.ncsu.edu or harris@carvm3.vnet.ibm.com
 System Administrator, Computer & Technologies Theme Program, NC State Univ.
(My opinions are my own and do not represent those of NCSU or IBM Corporation)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rda612c@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (js [schwobby])
Subject: Diamond Speedstar Questions
Summary: Diamond Speedstar
Keywords: Diamond Speedstar
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:30:39 GMT

G`day.

I know, I`ve asked it before, but:

Are there drivers for the Diamond Speedstar 24bit with oncard chip?
If there are drivers, where are they located?
If not how long will it take?



Thanks in advance
                Jobst


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From: eletanjm@nuscc.nus.sg (TAN JIN MENG)
Subject: Re: Multiple Desktops....
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:05:31 GMT

cnadler@vnet.ibm.com (Cliff Nadler) writes:
: In  <BtyvL5.CEJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>  tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:
: > 
: > Maybe multiple desktops is a feature! :):)  Under HP VUE they have workspaces
: > and you can configure each one and then switch at will.  That is actually
: > kind of nice.  Might not be to bad in OS/2, it avoids cluttering it up to
: > bad, put one kind of work in one, play in another, etc. and in one click you
: > have a new desktop ready to do something else(different folders, icons
: > displayed).
: > 
: > Todd
: 
: Actually, it is a feature of the Workplace Shell called a Workarea. Any folder
: can be a workarea (see the File tab, page one of the Settings). A work area
: has similar properties to the Desktop, in that any application opened from 
: inside it will re-open when the workarea is opened (as long as it was running
: when the workarea was closed), and all object other than programs opened from 
: a workarea will be closed when the workarea is closed.
: 
: This is from memory, but is a pretty powerful feature of OS/2. In fact you 
: can use it to provide some multi-user customizations (Have the desktop just
: contain the workarea objects for each person, then have the person's workarea
: contain all the objects they can use.

how would you (conveniently) use it. Can you easily specify a different
desktop on bootup?
: 
: --
: Cliff Nadler (cnadler@vnet.ibm.com)
: IBM Federal Systems Company - TEAM OS/2
: 
: Disclaimer: This post represents the views of the poster, not IBM Corporation.


jin meng
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jms20@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Sully)
Subject: Diamond Speedstar HiColor drivers
Reply-To: jms20@po.CWRU.Edu (John M. Sully)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:53:41 GMT


I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death, but anyway...

I've just started running OS/2 2.0 and am in need of drivers
for my Speedstart HiColor video card.  I've called Diamond, and
got the recording that the manufacture hasn't sent them drivers
yet (whatever).  Therefore, I'm looking for any other drivers
that will let me run in svga modes (800x600x256 prefered).  

If you know of some drivers that will talk to my card, please
drop me some mail.

Thanks,
John
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Organization: European Academic Research Network (EARN)
Date: Wednesday, 26 Aug 1992 09:00:11 GMT
From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: NCSA telnet CPU usage
Distribution: usa
 <66529@hydra.gatech.EDU> <price.714418392@helios>
 <173cs0INNs9b@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> <ballard.714423852@swiss.ucs.ubc.ca>

You can play with the idle detection...

However, the best thing to do is to drop NCSA into the bit bucket, and
install IBM TCP/IP instead. Naturally, its not shareware, but for the
price/performance ratio, it's almost shareware..

Regards, -turgut
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: 30 min per disk to load os2
Keywords: slow boot
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:12:31 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1214@tekgen.bv.tek.com> stevesm@scotty.hco.tek.com (Steve Smith) writes:
>Well its my turn this time.  My brother recently bought OS/2 and tried
>loading it on his '486 machine.  He was able to load OS2 and get it
>running, however, as he was loading it, he noticed that the average
>time it took to unload the software from the 3 1/2" disks was 30 min.
>It literally took all night just to load the OS!
>Also, now when he tries to boot OS/2, it takes about 10 minutes!
>The hardware consists of a 33Mhz, '486 clone with AMI bios, 8 megs ram
>and a 28 msec 71 MB MFM hard disk. ( I know the HD is way too small
>but he wanted to buy OS/2 while the price was right, he plans to
>upgrade the HD in the future.)  
>My question is what could be causing this slow down? Could the hard
>disk be the reason for the incredible slowness of the system?

Yes.  Get the ibm1s506.zoo patch, available via anonymous ftp from
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu.  That patch should clear up the problem.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: wrp@cyclops.micr.Virginia.EDU (Bill Pearson)
Subject: Re: GNU GCC 2.1
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:04:54 GMT

In article <tdhnfmg.genie@netcom.com> genie@netcom.com (The Genie) writes:
>
>Hi.  I just downloaded the GNU GCC 2.1 package from hobbes and
>successfully installed it into my 386 OS/2 system.  Playing around
>with C, I couldn't get even the simplest hello.c (not from the
>sample) program to compile correctly.  I'm sure there are
>no errors in the 4 line program.
>
>I type "gcc hello.c"
>After 3-4 seconds of disk usage, OS/2 responds:
>SYS1808:
>The process has stopped.  The software diagnostic
>code (exception code) is  0006.
>

	This should be an FAQ.  Try "gcc -o hello.exe hello.c".
If that does not work, try:

	gcc -c hello.c
	link386 hello.obj,hello.exe,,,

Bill Pearson



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From: hmkirchh@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Hans-Joachim Kirchhoff)
Subject: Re: Interesting questions concering the WPS. 
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:00:00 GMT

sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:

>>	<> If I use the WPS for file operations I don't want to have the
>>		symbol-view but the detail-view. It is not a problem to tell the
>>		WPS my intention so far. But then all subdirectories opened
>>		automatically use the symbol-view again and again.
>>	   Is there any way to tell the drive object to open all directories
>>	   (or folders or however they call it) in a specific view and to save
>>	   this as a default?

>Apparently not, and it is a medium sized omission, certainly.  This
>setting is only individually setable, meaning you have to change the
>property per folder/drive.

This is not quite true! Although how to do the trick is not documented
anywhere, that I could find it. (Other then good'ol usenet, of course)

You can change the default view of folders. To do that, open the settings
click on (M)enu, select ~Open from the avail. menu's and click on settings,
the button right next to ~Open. The window, that comes up has a combo
box saying Default Action, which is set to ~Icon view. Change this to
whatever you want, i.e. details view. And here comes the TRICK!! All
folders below the one, you just changed, INHERIT (wonderful OOP WPS) this
new default behaviour. They open in details view!
There is however one drawback. This method does not work with the root
folder \. While you can change the default view of the drive
object, the folders below don't inherit this behaviour.

So, it isn't an omission in fuctionality, only a small bug. BUT it
certainly is maximum sized omission in documentation!! Shame on you, IBM!
To hide this feature from us. While I am at the subject. Did you know,
that holding the Shift Key down, while resizing or moving a DOS window
will cause OS/2 to remember the position and size of DOS windows (note
plural! all new DOS windows will pop up at this location). This is esp.
useful with borland c++, which now opens up in maximized window, so I
can work with my 43 lines mode.

>> o  Clipboard:
>>	<> I want to have my Clipboard coming up in a non-public state.
>>		Using the public Clipboard within WINOS2 causes a noticable
>>		delay on my system (486/33, 16MB) of about 1 second each time
>>		I cut and paste in my word-processor. (Yes, I still (have to) use
>>		my favorite word-processor under (^!$#%*@) Windows...).

You (meaning the original poster) can edit your system.ini file. Find the
lines saying SAVDMApps=!gopm,!clipwos2,!ddeagent etc. Remove from these
lines !clipwos2 (the public clipboard) and !ddeagent (you probably won't
be exchanging Data btw. OS/2 and Windows via DDE either). Now these
applications wont get started everytime you start windows.

-Hajo
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From: "richard anstruther" <richard.anstruther@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: os/2 win3.1 support
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:20:21 EST
Reply-To: "richard anstruther" <richard.anstruther@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

-> ROTFL!!!! (mostly derisive).  This must be the longest "soon" in
-> history, considering they first "demoed" the so-called "3.1 support"
-> in April.

I believe MS's loud proclamations of Windows 3.1 in 1991 takes
that award.

BTW, did you notice the latest expose of MS's use of undocumented
system calls in Windows to give their apps the inside track over
the competition?  It 's in the latest PC week.
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From: hmkirchh@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Hans-Joachim Kirchhoff)
Subject: Re: Borland C++ in OS2
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:44:04 GMT

jreynold@nmt.edu (John Reynolds) writes:
>>Does anyone have Borland C++ running under OS2 2.0?  I was wondering what
>>the dos settings are to make it work.

>You must set the DPMI_API (note, I can't remember the exact names of these,
>but there's not way to get them confused...) to "ENABLED". Then, set the
>DPMI_MEMORY_LIMIT to around 6MB or what ever's comfortable. Then, set the

Setting the memory limit does not do anything, UNLESS you also change 
Borlands own settings in O|ption, E|nvironment, S|tartup, to use 6Meg
of extended memory. If you do this, you should also set EMS to 0.
But I cannot imagine, why anyone would need 6 Meg with Borland? I still
got a few hundred KByte left, when compilig a large App, so why bother
OS/2 with this much RAM?

>DOS_IDLE_DETECTION to '100' to _disable_ OS/2's idle detection of BC++.

Also I don't think, IDLE_DETECTION is necc. I did not change any settings there
and I don't have any trouble with that. BC seems to belong to the well
behaved DOS applications, that don't eat up CPU time in an idle loop,
just polling the keyboard, which is, what Idle Detection is for.

-Hajo
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From: FAGER@gribb.hsr.no (Fagerland, Svein      94/96)
Subject: Re: Background JPEGs?
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:07:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.185609.17945@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
>Subject: Background JPEGs?
>Date: 27 Aug 92 18:56:09 GMT
>In article <1992Aug26.214512.3122@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> lemieux@eecg.toronto.edu (Guy Gerard Lemieux) writes:
>>(Now we need a program that will put up JPEGS as a background bitmap)
>
>I don't know about you, but I'd rather convert the pic to a .BMP and
>display that.  .BMP files can handle 24-bit color, and they won't take
>a long time to display.  I'd hate to wait for a JPEG file to decode
>during system startup.


Are there any PM jpeg viewers for OS/2. Are there any JPEG viewers for DOS ?

I have just seen a Windows version that crashes all the time.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: unruh@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Video video video...
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:07:32 GMT

In <19920827.010014.706@almaden.ibm.com> joe2@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>   Yes, I would love writing the ATI 32bit drivers... the fact is that
>I am already working for IBM France. I contacted the manager of the
>video team in Boca, saying that I was ready to go there to write those
>drivers. Guess what, he didn't accept. :-((

>   -Joel Armengaud

Ah well, they really do want this thing to succeed I see. Thanks for the new
 drivers, I'll try them out, and thanks a lot for all the work you've done. 
I regualrly run in 1024-256 mode on a cheap Magnavox interlaced monitor, 
and find it great. (ATI VGA Wonder DXL OEM card).
Bill Unruh
PS Anyone got IBM's net address for the OS2 team in Boca? Maybe some net
 nudging would help.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: gcasey@brtph418.bnr.ca (Errol Casey P910)
Subject: Looking for PWQWK - QWK reader for OS/2
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Summary: Would like to try PWQWK instead of MR2
Originator: gcasey@brtph418
Keywords: mail readers, qwk, os/2
Organization: BNR, Inc. Research Triangle Park, NC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 12:43:09 GMT

I have used MR2 and have since seen postings on BBSes by people
using PMQWK. I would like to get a copy of this program if
it is shareware/freeware or at least some information on how
to obtain a copy of it, if this is a commercial program.

So far I have not been able to find it on an ftp site. This
would be the easiest means, but I'm a node on fidonet so I
could file request it from another machine in the fidonet
network.

[If someone could upload it to ftp-os2.nmsu.edu, I would 
appreciate it.]




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