HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: STEELERS (and other starting QBs)
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:34:35 GMT

In article gedVQwi00WDKI8Endz@andrew.cmu.edu, Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
>Since we've recently had an influx of returning students who haven't yet
>paid enough attention to find these things out, here's as complete a
>list of starters as I can come up with.
>
>Buf:	Kelly
>NYJ:	O'Brien
>NE:	McMillan (is this right?)
>Mia:	Marino
>Indy:	George (I seem to recall hearing he was hurt.....?!)
	replaced by Mark Herrmann
>Pit:	O'Donnell (yes, it's official)
>Cle:	Bernie
>Cin:	Boomer
>Hou:	Moon (yes, he signed)
>Den:	Elway
>KC:	Kreig
>SD:	Gagliano (yes, it's official)
>Sea:	Stouffer (is it official, yet?)
>Raid:	Schroeder
>Skins:	Rypien
>NYG:	(can't remember his name---not Simms)
	Jeff Hostetler
>Phoe:	(can't remember his name)
	Timm Rosenbach
>Dal:	Aikman
>Phil:	Cunningham
>Det:	Peete
>GB:	Majkowski
>Chi:	(can't think of his name)
	Jim Harbaugh
>TB:	Testaverde
>Min:	Gannon
>SF:	Young
>NO:	Hebert
>Atl:	Miller (I think)
>Rams:	(can't remember his name either, but you know who he is)
	Yeah, Jim Everett


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Xref: sparky rec.sport.football.pro:14720 dc.redskins:106
From: grantham@jif.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,dc.redskins
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins Roster as of 8/26/92
Date: 27 Aug 1992 16:31:15 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
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swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) wrote:
>Status unknown:
>74 * Markus Koch      DE   6-5   275

I read in one of the football previews that he had retired.  I had been
wondering about his status myself.  It seems sort of weird that he would retire,
since he was only in the league 5 or 6 seasons.

Is the "status unknown" an official designation, the Washington Post's
designation, or a reflection of the fact that you hadn't heard about him?

Jon

(crossposted to dc.redskins 'cause I think we should try to get as much of the
Redskins stuff in there as possible.)
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From: calizan@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (PAUL LIZANICH)
Subject: re:Help on Television BlackOut Rules
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 27 Aug 1992 14:55 EST  

Exactly 80290 (All seats, do not count standing room) 72 hours before 
the start of the game.  

The station transmitter has to be 75 miles from the stadium.  This is why I 
bought a Channel Master channel 7-13, Channel Master 20 dB, and a rotor.  I 
plan on watching channels 11 and 13 (NBC/CBS) from Toledo for the Browns
(If I am not at the stadium).  

As a bonus, I can watch Candian Football League game of the week on CPFL 
channel 10, London Ontario across the Lake Erie.  
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From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank)
Subject: Re: Browns anti-News (vs. Vikings)
Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:10:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.190028.839@unislc.uucp>, jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske) writes:
|> I hated to 
|> see Patrick Rowe go down with what looked like a knee injury.  I hate
|> to see any player injure a knee - especially in the preseason.  
|> While living in WAC county in Utah, I saw quite a few of Patrick's 
|> college games.  He did some pretty good stuff in college.  I hope that
|> he's OK.    

Sorry, out for the season.

-- 
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From: shaub@cs.uwp.edu (Jeffery Shaub)
Subject: Re: Top 5 Defenses?
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:58:21 GMT

HEY!!!!!

Where's Philly???


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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EATING WORDS!
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:11:34 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Sep2.190730.5314@gvl.unisys.com> cec@ms-2.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Collins) writes:
>  After living in Boston for the last year, I can relate to this....I thought
>  the city was going to shut off the electricity when Larry Bird retired!!
>  But as someone so eloquently put it earlier, at least Larry retired in 
>  style, after his body reached the point that it was NO LONGER COMPETITIVE
>  AT THE PRO LEVEL!


Wrong group but, Larry retired in style? In and out of the lineup all year
with a bad back, constantly screwing up the lineup as they had to keep
changing the substitution patterns depending on Larry's back. And then
to top it off he accepted his position on the Olympic team and spent most
of the time lying down on his back in front of the bench while a more 
deserving player sat at home watching on NBC(or was it the Triplecast).
Then after a year of being asked if he should retire, he finally announced
that he was done.

Style would have been to hang it up before the season and let the team get
on with their future.




Russ Smith
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From: dickh@tribe.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Icky Woods
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:55:59 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <Derek_Juntunen.07od@abcd.Houghton.MI.US>, Derek_Juntunen@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Derek Juntunen) writes:
|> Whatever happened to Icky Woods?
|> 
|> -- Via DLG Pro v0.995

Cut by the Bengals a couple of weeks ago.

DH
From: wiener@puhep1.princeton.edu (Jim Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Pro Bowl does not imply All-Pro (was Re: Rison/Dishman?)
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:11:32 GMT
Organization: Physics Dept., Princeton University

In article <1992Sep2.225933.20043@cis.ohio-state.edu> martens@laurel.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.212510.28636@usho93.hou281.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>>(Jeff Mar writes...
>>>>In article <1992Sep1.160145.11658@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> tim@ial7.jsc.nasa.gov (Tim Sullivan) writes:
>
>>>>>While there has been trade talk, I dont think Houston has taken it 
>>>>>seriously.  A high draft choice AND an All-Pro CB for Rison, Houston 
>>>>>wont do it.  Dishman is an impact player, and generates a lot of 
>
>>>>Dishman made the Pro Bowl last year, but he's never been All-Pro.
>
>>What's the difference!?!?
>
>Very big difference.  For people who haven't followed pro football
>closely:
>
>There is only one all-pro per position, whereas the pro bowl includes
>backups, players named to replace injured players, etc.  And then
>multiply that by 2 to take into account both conferences.  In short
>
>So, for CB (the example under discussion):  each pro-bowl team (UPI,
>Sporting News, etc.) there are two CBs, one for each side.
>
>For the pro bowl, there are at least 6 (probably more like 8): 4
>starters and a backup or two for each squad.  Plus several of these
>are likely to be replacements for injured players, since anyone who
>doesn't want to play claims to be hurt.
>
>As an example, Randall Cunningham was a pro bowl QB in '89.  He was
>named to replace Jim Everett, who was named to replace Don Majkowski.
>This means that in '89, Cunningham was judged (rather subjectively) to
>be about the 4th best QB in the NFC, but he was in the pro bowl.  Was
>he All-Pro?  I don't think so.  
>
>-- 
>
>-- Jeff (martens@cis.ohio-state.edu)


       Cunningham was also voted Pro-Bowl MVP that year. 
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From: blokhead@leland.Stanford.EDU (Darren Pakying Lum)
Subject: Broncos/Ricky Nattiel
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 15:35:55 GMT

Just noticed Nattiel was released by Tampay Bay.
I've been wondering for several seasons what 
happened with him and Denver.  He was a 1st rounder
and very good his 1st year.  Why did the Bucs release
him and why did the Broncos trade him?  Any possibility
of Denver picking him back up since they are thin at WR?

Thanks,
Darren
From: v134junv@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Donald A Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Help on Television BlackOut Rules
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
	My girlfriend and I have been at this for a year.  What exactly are
the requirements for lifting the local television blackout.  Buffalo's Rich 
Stadium has 80,290 seats.  Exactly how many tickets need to be sold in order
to lift the blackout?


						Thanks in Advance
							d-manN
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:24:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Raiders Starting QB?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

If Al Davis starts 'The Scud' then he is an asshole...oh wait, he already is
one for moving the team from Oakland...never mind.

Don Boell

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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Keywords: Satellite
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:05:08 GMT

ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin) writes:
> 	Every team in the NFL is looking for the next LT

     Except for the Cards, who found him in
Ken Harvey.

--Ralph Kennedy      {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
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From: coombes@tiger.tcom.stc.co.uk (Philip Coombes)
Subject: games changing in history, question??
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:40:17 +0000

Greetings All,

What with hurricane Andrew visiting upon the Fins, and causing
the Patriots game to be rescheduled, I was wondering when this had
happened before. In recent years I can only think of the 9ers game
a year or two before, when the Pats visited San Francisco and 
because of Earthquake Norman (or whatever) the venue was changed 
to Stanford. Apart from that, I can only think of various Fog, Flood,
Snow Bowls etc where a venue change may have not been a bad idea.

So apart from the obvious fact that having the Pats visit town
is a potentially rather hazardous exercise, does any one remember 
any other game time or venue changes, especially this late in the 
year???.

Cheers,

Phil

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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - 9/1/92
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 15:16:53 GMT

In article <24461@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>
>The Redskins coaches waived Thomas, gambling that no one would take 
>him.  The gamble did pay off, and the Redskins have re-signed Thomas 
>along with punter Kelly Goodburn, tight end James Jenkins, and
>quarterback Jeff Rutledge.
>
Jeff Rutledge was the victim of a hoax while waiting out the 24-hour
period before the Skins resigned him.  He really wanted to stay with
the Skins, has a house in the area, and his kids are already in
school.  His wife works at NIH and had a colleague of hers call Jeff
and tell them she was with the Browns organization.  He said that for
several minutes he thought he was going to Cleveland.....his wife
thought it very funny; he didn't.  Glad I wasn't at their dinner table
last night ;-)

schalene
From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:07:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

In article <24239@oasys.dt.navy.mil> pyoung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Paul Young) writes:
>
>How about this,
>1.) NFC EAST - NOT MUCH QUESTION
>2.) AFC WEST - ALWAYS TOUGH
>3.) NFC WEST - WOULD BE #2 IF NOT FOR THE RAMS
>4.) AFC EAST - SORRY BILLS FANS

And why should the whole AFC east be condemned because of those sorry
bills fans? Hmmmmmmmm???


Tony (go new england) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Browns Cuts - Aug 26th
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:02:12 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1992Aug26.130418.8795@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> mocnik@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
>
>The coroner has ruled Mike Wise's death a suicide. Mike was 28. 

Who was Mike Wise?  [please excuse my ignorance - I haven't followed the
Browns extremely closely over the last 2 years]
-- 

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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: NFC EAST- GET OFF IT!
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:32:10 GMT

Well, I've stayed out of this so far because I couldn't think of
anything illuminating to add; and I am a bit biased.  When you're
favorite team is in the NFC East, you like to think it is the toughest
division -- makes excusing intra-division losses a little easier to
take....somtimes.  

The Washington Post has a special football supplement this Sunday.
(Steve, if you need help posting all the stuff to the net, let me
know.)  A page-one article in this supplement was entitled,
"Redskins' Tough Task Multiplied by Division."  The continuation of
the article was subtitled, "NFC East, the Best Division in the Game."
If the Washington Post prints it you know it must be true ;-) ;-)

Seriously, I thought I'd post some of the reasoning and also ask:  Do
the papers in Philly and Dallas have similar articles...Does the local
TV media think the same thing?  On the HBO show last night, all the
the guys agreed the NFC East was the toughest this year.  What do other
local/national TV football analysts think?

"Why is the NFC East the most competitive in football?  Besides the
obvious (five of the last 10 Super Bowl champs have been from the NFC
East) other divisions just don't have the competitive balance from top
to bottom that the NFC East does."  

"The NFC East is clearly the class of the league.  `The team that wins
the NFC East,' said Randall Cunningham, `will win the Super Bowl.  I
agree with that.'  Buffalo Bills General Manager, Bill Polian, said it
was a `good bet that the NFC representative in the Super Bowl would
come from the NFC East.'  Phoenix coach, Joe Bugel said the NFC East
is `the best division by far.  And I may sound a little biased but
it's true.  And everyone I talk to says its true.  When we played San
Diego (in the preseason) all the coaches were coming up to me and
going, 'The NFC East is going to be tough, the toughest.  You better
watch your behind.'  We played the Raiders and they said, 'It's going
to be a bloodbath in that division.'  And it definitely is going to be
a bloodbath.  You can count on that."

Other articles feel its a toss-up between Dallas, Philadelphia, and
Washington this year.  

schalene
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: signings, holdouts
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:41:48 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Aug26.1541.15152@execnet>, al.sorhaindo@execnet.com (al sorhaindo) writes...

>It would be good to have a list of significant players who are still not
>in camp. May anyone add to this list?
> 
>Thomas Everett   Steelers
>Waters           Eagles
>Erik Howard      Giants
>Eric Moore       Giants
>Michael Irvin    Cowboys
>Jay Novacek      Cowboys
>Terrell Buckley  Packers

 Brian Noble      Packers

JGH
From: aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Charles Haley traded to Dallas
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:20:22 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    I wrote this during the halftime of the Dolphins-Saints preseason game. I
    am sure that anyone who is watching the game heared about the trade of
    Charles Haley from the 49'ers to Dallas. I was surprised. I didn't hear
    anything on the net and USA TODAY didn't mention anything either. What a
    pleasant surpris for the Cowboys' fans. He is a great player and will
    help the Cowboys' anemic pass rush. I immediatly started educating myself
    about Haley and here are some stats and numbers.

    Haley plays OLB/DE and is at his best when rushing the passer. He is 28
    years, 230 lbs and 6-5. Last year he had 7 sacks (career low), 53 tackles,
    6 passes defended and made it to the Pro Bowl (3rd in a row). The year
    before last he had a whopping 16 sacks, ?? tackles and 9 passes defended.
    On the negative side he is moody and only adequate against the run.

    The ESPN team didn't explain clearly the details of the trade. I'll
    appreciate it if someone gives us more info. about:

    (1) What did the Cowboys give up in return for Haley?

    (2) ESPN mentioned that Haley has an injury.
        What kind and how severe?

        can he start soon?

    (3) What does JJ intend to do with him (DE or OLB) and at the expense of
        whom?

    It will be great if Haley can do 75% of what he did with the Niners.

    Thanks in advance.....

    Malik.....       GO COWBOYS........
From: v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Mark Clayton OK?
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Is Clayton o.k.  I missed the game last night but didn't see that he caught
anything in the news stats. today.

Were they just resting him?

BTW- Who is going to start at RB for the Jets?
I thought Blair Thomas was going to be a MONSTER coming out of Penn St.
but he's done ZERO (0.0000) will he finally perform or is Baxter going
to be Mr. Touchdown for them again.

Buscuit- COME OUT! COME OUT! Where-ever you are!!!
Here's your $2,055,985.00 in nice new BUFFALO BILLS.

T. Mac
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dallas and Jay Novacek
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:16:19 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <1992Aug26.181930.18695@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, jjs11@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph J. Shen) writes:
>In a previous article, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) says:
>>In article <1992Aug26.123700.7198@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>>>Yet another Cowboy basher. What is a Pro Bowl TE worth to you anyway?  You
>>>obviously have no idea how much the guy did for the team last year.
>>
>>I think his point was Jay was acquired by the Cowboys from Plan B, was
>>drafted by the Cardinals in a later round(~7th I think was too long ago
>>to recall), and although he is an excellent receiver and should never
>>have been turned loose by the Cardinals, a #1 and a #3 pick for him
>>does seem a bit steep.
> 
> However, all you have to do is look at the most recent draft to see what
> a premium (wrongly so, in my opinion) teams put on a really good TE.
> [Novacek] is a PROVEN receiver and gets open quite well (although
> blocking isn't his forte).  Teams would be willing to give up at least a
> first rounder for him, if not more.

But the point was, he is NOT a great TE!  When he was with the Cardinals,
he couldn't block on a running play.  A truly great TE can both catch and
block.  The dime-a-dozen Novacek players whose system emphasizes pass
receptions by the TE are NOT truly great.  Russ's assessment is accurate.
Hell, if the *Cardinals* release you, you weren't that great to begin with.

You Dallas fans are seriously stoned if you even think Novacek, a 
*1*-time Pro Bowler, could wear the same jockstrap as Kellen Winslow
or Steve Jordan.  Don Warren or Clint Didier, for that matter.

He's a good receiver, but get real here.  At best, he's 10% better than
Robert Awalt, another pass-receiving Card-turned-Cowboy TE.

This is a displaced Viking fan speaking....it'll be fun in December to
hear all the Cowboys fans whining about being cheated out of the Super
Bowl.  Ya just *know* you're gonna hear it after their early-round
playoff loss.
--
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f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."
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From: richs@sulu.lerc.nasa.gov (Rich Schlegelmilch)
Subject: NFL Rosters
Organization: NASA/Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:37:55 GMT

I am looking for roosters for both offsense and defense, for the entire
league.  Can anyone email them to me or tell me if the are available
via anonymous ftp (preferred).  My fantasy football draft is soon.
Thanks in advance. 

email address richs@sulu.lerc.nasa.gov

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