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From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Summary: So how about *our* pit? 
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:24:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.044215.22076@ncsu.edu> jagreath@eos.ncsu.edu (JOSEPH ALAN GREATHOUSE) writes:
>
>In article <29SEP199215400468@cc.utah.edu>, ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W.
>STROUP) writes:
>
>|>A couple of notorious arenas have been left out:
>|>	Reynold's Coluseium - NC State  (Crappy seats for most of the students
>|>					but a select few are within an arms
>|>					reach of the floor from the sides)
>|>	The PIT - New Mexico		(Simply HELL for the opposition)
>
>A couple of others seem to have been overlooked:
>	The Thomas and Mack Center - UNLV - Another Pit with glitz.
>	McKale Center - Arizona - Noisy, raucus fans who can hold their own
>	with the Dookies....

I'll put in a vote for Autry Court here at Rice -- small (5600 with the
temporary bleachers installed at the south end), up close and personal --
and the visitors get to set right in front of the student seating.

No wonder Georgetown and Michigan wouldn't play us in Houston at Autry --
they insisted that a "neutral site" (i.e., The Summit) serve instead...:-)

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From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)
Subject: Re: Sport Magazine's Sweet Sixteen
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:12:41 GMT

peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:

>In article <1afr8mINNj5@debussy.crhc.uiuc.edu> guillory@crhc.uiuc.edu (Stanford Guillory) writes:
>>Well, Kaufmann is a scoring machine, which is what Illinois
>>needed last year. And Deon Thomas is supposed to have improved
>>so much in the past year that he will be going pro after this
>>season. And the word on Keene is he is for real and will be  the
>>starting PG. 

>	I agree about Kaufmann, but like with so many others, you
>	just don't know how he will be after sitting out a year.
>	Look at Nick Anderson.  The guy is a god on a basketball
>	floor, but he had a pretty nondescript first year here...
>	I won't disagree about Deon either, but as far as freshman
>	making a huge impact, there's been a few like Magic Johnson,
>	Isiah Thomas, and then Webber and Rose at Michigan.  They
>	can't always be counted on like that...  I still say that
>	Sport went out on a limb with this pick, though most everyone
>	agrees that Illinois and Purdue will be the most improved
>	teams this winter in the Big Ten...

Maybe a better analogy is a guy who played a couple years, then sat out,
and returned. (Larry Smith) Rather than a kid who sat out a year after
HS and had to overcome that and adjust to stronger competition.  I don't
think it's as hard to return after sitting as it is to establish yourself.

Mike Timlin
timlin@spot.colorado.edu
From: fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:25:14 GMT
Organization: The Gizmonic Institute

>Beard certainly is a good enough shooter to play
>on the wing, and he is plenty quick.  Seeing him at the Nike game, he really
>did seem like a Laettner clone, only quicker and a better rebounder. 

Whew...Duke better make use of him FAST!!! Quicker and a better rebounder
than the #1 college player in the country last year...and the kid's hasn't 
even played a single game in his his senior year in high school? Watch 
out...if he learns to shoot, he'll just go straight to the pros, and then
where will you be? 

-- 
Jeff Davis <davis@keats.ca.uky.edu> 
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From: mooredb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (David Brian Moore)
Subject: Hoop Scoop?
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:02:47 GMT

 I hear a lot about Hoop Scoop but I've never seen it, does anyone have
any info about it and subscription information? Thanks in advance..

Mr. Bearcat
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: NCAA Magazine predictions
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:23:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvpHFA.Bs9
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
>The Top 40 in this mag is compiled by tabulating NCAA Division I coaches'
>ballots and has nothing to do with their conference previews.  It looks
>something like this:

> 1. Michigan				21. Cincinnati
> 2. Duke    :)				22. UConn
> 3. Indiana :)				23. Wake Forest
> 4. Kentucky				24. Iowa
> 5. Kansas				25. Michigan State
> 6. North Carolina			26. Alabama
> 7. Seton Hall				27. Tulane
> 8. Florida				28. Arizona State
> 9. Arizona				29. Georgia
>10. Memphis State			30. Oklahoma State
>11. Ohio State				31. Nebraska
>12. Syracuse				32. BYU
>13. UNLV				33. Texas
>14. Georgetown				34. Iowa State
>15. Arkansas				35. Purdue
>16. Louisville				36. St. John's
>17. Georgia Tech			37. Virginia
>18. UCLA				38. Tennessee
>19. Oklahoma				39. Florida
>20. UMASS!!! (tm)			40. Temple

>I suppose 293 coaches can't be wrong, but I still question the idea of
>Michigan being a preseason No.^1.  I'd like to see Fisher's ballot.

	Are U sure all 293 coaches voted?  From the looks of it, it seems
	like only the coaches from only the Big South, WAC, and WCAC voted.
	The ranking are way out of whack!  U must be kidding.

	-- a Kentucky team who lost 4 seniors ranked above a Kansas team
	who returns virtually everybody + 2 impact players -- U must be
	kidding!

	-- an Alabama team who lost 2 of their 3 players to the NBA, yet
	didn't really replace them, ranked in the Top 25?

	-- Florida ranked at #8 and #39????  I think they must mean Florida
	St. at #8.

	-- Arkansas is ranked as #3 in the SEC west, yet project winner
	Auburn is nowhere in the Top 40.

	I wouldn't give much weight to these rankings.  Looks like a bunch
	of bogus to me.  Wait until the Street & Smith's comes out...

	Jazzy J   
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From: grimlok@hubcap.clemson.edu (Mike Percy)
Subject: Re: Some good news for Clemson [more info]
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:09:38 GMT

In an earlier post, I wrote about Clemson's Wayne Buckingham.  That was 
going from a radio report I heard on the way to work, and what I wrote 
was partially incorrect.  I've since read a newspaper article:

Buckingham's eligibility restored
---------------------------------
Al Muskewitz (Anderson Independent-Mail, w/o permission)

Clemson basketball player Wayne Buckingham had his eligibility restored 
Sunday during the university's meeting with the NCAA Committee on 
Infractions in Kansas City.

The Committee based its decision on a technicality within the NCAA 
bylaws.  An intitutional representative was not present during the 
portion of a May 6, 1991 interview with NCAA investigators that formed 
the basis of the allegation against Buckingham.

Investigators asked Clemson compliance director Paul Aaron to leave when
it began discussing another member institution with Buckingham.  They 
failed to ask Aaron back when questions turned to Buckingham's high 
school transcript.

Buckingham at first did lie to the investigators about night courses 
that appeared on his transcript, but recanted his answers after 
conferring with Aaron and his attorney, Paul Bowie.

"I thought we had a clear-cut case," Bowie said.  "I couldn't see any 
way they should have charged Wayne."

"It was obvious so obvious to me that if the Committee read our response
and could see where I was coming from, we'd be in good shape.  As soon 
as we got involved in it and the chairman went directly to the first 
point I raised, I could tell right away they were zoning in on the thing
and we were in good shape."

Buckingham, who stood to lose all of his remaining eligibility if found 
guilty of the voilation, now has two years of eligibility lefet, 
provided he allpies to the Atlantic Coast Conference officials for a 
medical hardship [extension].

The 6-foot-9 [240 lbs.] junior forward blew out an anterior cruciate 
knee ligmament in a pre-season scrimmage last October and played only 
one game in the season [two minutes, two points].

He played in 162 minutes of action during hte 1989-90 season, a year in 
which he should have been ineligible as a non-qualifier 
[partial-qualifier actually].  The Tigers went to the NCAA Sweet 16 that
year and stand to lose a percentage of their net receipts from the 
tournament because Buckingham participated [3 games, 24 minutes, 7 
points, 6 rebounds].

While the Committee's decision Sunday absolves Buckingham, it does not
clear the university of the charges it faces.  The school is expected to
hear the COmmittee's decision on possible sanctions within the next four
weeks.

"Keep in mind this is a Wayne Buckingham issue," Aaron said.  "It still 
doesn't answer the institution's responsibility for the violation 
(allegation No. 1 in the NCAA official letter of inquiry)."
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Rashard Griffith update
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:31:04 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <19881@ector.cs.purdue.edu> gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter) writes:
}} 
}} [ Carl lists five ways in which Keady frees up a scholarship for
}}   Rashard Griffith ]

6. Cornelius McNary ties himself up and immolates himself on a burning
pyre, apparently despondent over recent removal of campus landmark,
the old smokestack, thereby releasing scholarship.  Gene Keady is
later seen trying to scrub a faint smell of kerosene and garlic from
his hands.

[ Bonus points to whoever gets the reference ]

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
       "If you loose your arrow, you're likely to lose it in the weeds,"
                       was often heard in days of yore.

             If I don't want it in my back yard, I don't want it.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Recruiting News Here and There
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:21:08 GMT

jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>Charles (Yes, He is Ed's brother) O'Bannon, 6'6" from Lakewood, Ca.
>May go to UCLA if his brother recommends it, won't if he doesn't.

	I'd be surprised if Charles went to UCLA.  After all, his older
	brother is there -- and even though he has been coming back from
	his ACL injury slowly -- Charles would probably still play in
	Ed's shadow for 2 seasons.  This reminds me of the Doug/Steve
	Edwards situation.  Steve Edwards ended up signing w/ Miami (? or
	was it Florida?) because he didn't want to play in his brother's
	shadow at Florida St.  Come to think of it -- I haven't seen
	many brother combinations on the same team at the same time.
	Some I can recall are Wayman/William Tisdale, Horace/Harvey Grant,
	Carl/Charles Thomas, Lance/David Miller.  Any others?

	What's the scoop on the recruitment of Darnell Burton out of
	Dunbar HS in Lexington?  I would think that UK should put him
	near the top of the list in terms of recruiting.  He's the best
	player to come out of Lexington in a long time -- probably since
	the likes of Prince Stewart...

	Jazzy J

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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: Wimpiest Arenas: was Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:14:52 GMT


In my single visit to Stanford's Maples Pavillion, I was pretty
unimpressed. The game was bit of a snooze, so I don't take it as a
fair sample ... on the other hand, I know Montgomery has been
vocal about wanting more fan support. 

I'm not nominating it for easiest-on-visitors status; the Cardinal
have pulled off some big wins there, and the floor is very springy,
which seems to bother other teams.  I do think the shape of the 
place deadens fan support. Looking down from the top, the building
is shaped like this: 

    _________
 __|         |__
|               |
|               |
|__           __| 
   |_________| 

If you're sitting towards the back on any side, you can't see around
the whole building, and it feels like the four parts of the crowd 
are cut off from each other. It's also kind of dark; the overall effect
for me was kind of like being at the movies--not the atmosphere that
generates a lot of noise. Of course maybe it's just me--I tend to be
pretty quiet when I'm watching a movie ... 

Any comments from Stanford folks? 

Ken B. 
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From: bill@gaza.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (William J. King)
Subject: NAIA 29  down to TWo teams.
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:04:13 GMT


Believe it or not NAIA district 29 will have TWO teams this year;
Hawaii Pacific & bYu Hawaii.  THey will have an automatic birth
to the NAIA tourney.  They will play other teams from Disrict 1 from
the N.W and District 3 from Southern Ca.

that will make my NAIA 29 posting simple, wont it?

Wm

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From: gchism@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Grady W Chism)
Subject: Syracuse Probation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:28:39 GMT

I just heard a blip on the radio that Syracuse was going to be put on probation
for two years.  Anybody know the reasons? Bad coaching?
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: The Chicago Fiasco (was re: Thomas Hamilton)
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:09:46 GMT

In article <BvGHus.D5E@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

>Since the school board has seen fit to cut 43%
>of the athletics/extracurricular budget, the principals got together and decided
>that if the city, school board, private interests, or the city's sports teams
>don't bail them out, that effective November 1, 1992, all sports in city public
>high schools are _finis_.  One of the local radio stations (probably WGN) has
>announced it will try to raise $800G, but that is only a part of what they need.
>A LOT of good Chicago talent may be in jeopardy if this isn't resolved, since
>I doubt Hamilton's family can afford to move to the 'burbs...
>
>(And for those who don't know, transferring to a private school won't do any
>good, either.  IHSA rules demand a period of ineligibility of one year for
>doing that after the 10th day of the semester.)
>
>Anyone have any ideas how these guys can play and still get recruited into
>college if their schools teams should go defunct?

I'd certainly like to know this myself. It seems like college hoops on the
whole would really be hurt by this, considering the huge amount of talent that
comes out of Chicago, not to mention all the kids that would be hurt by this
as well.  Somebody really ought to stand up and support these kids.

A friend of mine who has some huge connections in Chicago (CNN, WGN, etc.) is
getting a story put together about this whole situation. I'll post it here
when it's ready.



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From: delaw@eos.ncsu.edu (DOUGLAS EDWARD LAW )
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:40:08 GMT

In article <70071@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
|> 
|> 1) Cameron Indoor Stadium (much as I hate to say it)
|> 2) Allen Fieldhouse
|> 3) Dean Dome

    My friends that go to UNC tell me that they are strongly discoraged
    from cheering loudly during games. The students are given a small part
    of the Wean Dome anyway, so the noise they do make isn't very inspiring
    to the team. The only time the Wine-n-Cheesers got rowdy was against N.C.
    State last season. It didn't help, we still beat them.  
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From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Call for toughest arena votes (revised)
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:34:33 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <sheth.718142719@judy.cs.iastate.edu>, sheth@cs.iastate.edu (Divyesh K sheth) writes:
> jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber) writes:
> 
>>Iowa State always plays tough at Hilton Colesium in Ames. Last year, ISU
>>knocked off 4 top-25 (at the time they played) teams at Hilton (Iowa, OSU, OU,
>>and KU). Hilton is also a great place to watch a game. The students are given
> 
> And ofcourse the famous story about crowd noise when ISU was playing
> OSU last year. Game was on line. Corey Williams of OSU (88% FT shooter)
> was trying to shoot two free throws and he missed both to give ISU
> the victory. Somebody said in post  game interview that he missed
> because crowd was so loud that the whole Hilton was shaking!!!
> 

	Hmmm! So far *no* mention of the "Rage in the Cage" at
	UMASS!!! ? Strange! veddy strange!!! The ceiling started falling
	apart last year when the crowd was screaming during the Temple
	game!! <of course, the "age" of the Cage had nothing to do 
	with it ;-)>!!! 

 
	Rajat....
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Tough Arenas, Baby!
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:06:40 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

Dr. J's Inside Sports coverage compelled me to buy the issue.  Among other
things, the issue contained Dick Vitale's favorite basketball stadiums:
 (Those who despise Vitale, press 'n' now, because the following list may
contain one or more of the following phrases: "baby", "awesome", "Michelangelo
of coaching",  "the General" , "Lute-mania", "Cameron Crazies", "bananasville")

1. Duke-- "The Cameron Crazies are the best".
2. Indiana--"...you see the General striding in.  It's like the king has
		arrived."
3. Kansas--"Bananasville, baby!"
4. Kentucky--"They go zulu, baby!"
5. Arizona--"They go positively nutso!"
6. Syracuse--"They get 30,000 every night."
7. North Carolina--"It's majestic, baby...The place is the Taj Mahal."
8. Purdue--"It just explodes."
9. LSU--"It's the Death Dome, baby!"
10.  Missouri--"A great crowd, very creative."  

	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
			--MTV VJ Duff, on dinner partner Christian Laettner
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Joey Beard - Duke Bound
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:28:00 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <718033839@termite.cs.duke.edu>, db@duke.cs.duke.edu (Dov Bulka) writes:

>G. Hill point guard? No way! For one thing, if G. Hill is the point
>guard he'll be sorely missed on the wing.

I propose Grant because he'll have more experience at the position, with 
another year behind Hurley.  He'll never be a Hurley-like point guard, but
I think he'll play about half of every game at the point.
  Who do you like instead?  Collins?  He'll have a year of experience, but
I don't know if he's cut out for the position.  He's a good passer but
incredibly out of control.  More importantly, he likes to shoot first and
ask questions later.  Seeing his teammates scream at him during the recent
Cameron pick up games for shooting too much makes me doubt him as a long term
point.  Perhaps you've thought about Capel.  I don't know if I want to have
another freshman starting at the point.  I think he has a great chance of
being the long term point guard, and he'll see a lot of time at this position
as a frosh, but I don't think he'll start there yet.  None of these three guys
are pure point guards.  
  Blakeney I'd rather not discuss.

> More importantly, I have a 
>problem with the tendency to declare every big guy with decent ball
>handling as the second coming of Magic Johnson. A point guard is
>first and foremost a passer and a playmaker. G Hill can handle
>the ball well for a 6'9" but that does not a point guard make.

 I agree that he is not an "instinctive" point guard.  But he plays under
control and doesn't make many mistakes.  I think he's better than say, Quin
Snyder was.  His big flaw is that he slows down Duke's break too much with
his style.  But I think he's a fine half-court style point.  
   He certainly won't be a point in the pros, but he won't be a liability as
 a ball handler.
>Remember the Wake Forest game, by the way? 

Vividly.  But Grant is the sort that learns from mistakes.
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Well, he's not the most intelligent guy in the world."
			--MTV VJ Duff, on dinner partner Christian Laettner
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Forward distinctions
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:33:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvErsD.1Bo
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

foerster@zman.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster) writes:

>What is the distinction between a small forward and a power forward anyway?
>Yea, the name denotes size,height whatever but is there really a distinction
>anymore. A forward is a forward. He's got to be able to get up and down the
>floor, shoot out to 15 feet and be able to rebound.

	Well there are some definite difference between the 2 positions.

	A power forward is your strongest rebounder after the center.  He
	mainly plays inside, and throws his body around.  He will possess
	a good mid-range shot, and have post moves.  He probably won't be
	able to handle the ball particularly well, or pass the ball too
	much.  He's the guy that can swing over to center when your starting
	center needs a rest.

	Examples of PF:  Buck Williams, Karl Malone, Maurice Lucas

	A small forward is usually an athletic-type player which the team
	looks to for mainly scoring.  He will possess good shooting range,
	and good drives to the hoop.  He will also possess some post-up
	abilities inside to take smaller defenders down low.  He usually
	can handle the ball like a guard, and can play some guard in a 
	pinch.  A small forward doesn't necessarily have to be a good
	rebounder -- but he shouldn't be afraid of the big boys inside.

	Examples of SF:  Scottie Pippen, Chris Mullin, Glen Rice

	Of course, there have been players of late, that are simply regarded
	as forwards, because they represent both positions.  Examples are
	Charles Barkley and Larry Johnson.  Both can bang around inside,
	and take their games outside as well.

	Jazzy J
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