From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman)
Subject: Re: BILL CLINTON ON ISRAEL AND THE MIDDLE
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:38:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.125404.7896@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.181600.9086@colorado.edu>, perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric
>S. Perlman) writes:
>|>In article <1992Aug24.142951.19947@dscomsf.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
>|>writes:
>|>>In article <1992Aug20.160327.5018@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>,
>|>>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
>|>>
>|>>|>>>If Rabin was correct in what he said last week on MCcneil Lehrer news
>|>>|>>>hour that he is prepared to offer the Palestininas a first step self
>|>>|>>>rule and elections on the next peace talks, it would be a good time
>|>>|>>>to end of boycott. I would prefer to see a final solution before the
>|>>|>>>end of the boycott.
>|>>|>>
>|>>|>>OK fine.  It should however be pointed out that the boycott (including
>|>>|>>the secondary boycott) is well-nigh illegal under international law.
>|>>|>>
>|>>|>
>|>>|>International Law? This is a joke. If there is any law in the world
>|>>|>I will be living now with my parents in Haifa.
>|>>
>|>>Under which treaty or convention does the (unatributed) authour base his
>|>claim
>|>>that a trade boycott is illegal under international law? The US is currently
>|>>sustaining two trade boycotts, against Cuba and against Vietnam. In both
>|>cases
>|>>the point in dispute is no more than the indigenous population's
>|>unreasonable
>|>>beleif that they have more right to chose their government than the US
>|>>government.
>|>
>|>Excuse me?  Cuba *CHOSE* Fidel Castro as its president?  What planet are
>|>you from?  
>|>
>|>Not in this universe, they didn't.
>
>They showed a marked preference for the Castro regime over the US imposed
>Batista regime which turned Cuba into a whorehouse for rich american playboys.
>
>The US had her chance to bring democracy to Cuba after she invaded. Instead Cuba
>was run as a colony until Castro.

While the Batista regime was certainly not a nice one, anyone who would
call the Castro regime anything approaching democracy needs their head
examined.

>|>> These boycotts are usually justified with much huffing and puffing
>|>>about human rights which would be slightly more credible if the US had show
>|>any
>|>>concern for human rights in Iran, Iraq, Chile (etc) while supporting the
>|>most
>|>>appauling regimes there.
>|>>
>|>>Actualy there is a similarity, these sanctions were all imposed after
>|>military
>|>>means had been tried and failed.
>|>
>|>NO, they weren't.  And the Arab boycott against Israel goes far, far
>|>beyond what is legal and what the US is doing against Cuba.
>
>So Eric is now denying that either the bay of pigs invasion or the 1967 war etc
>actually took place! Quite a staggering claim. 

Phill, where did you learn to read English?  This is nowhere in what I
said.  Let me remind Phill in case he forgot his history books that the
Arab boycott was in place decades before the 1967 war.

>Back up your statement with examples, people might beleive it then.

Learn to read what people actually say, don't hallucinate, don't make up
things that you want others to think that someone said that they clearly
did not, and some might take you seriously.

You're really a barrel of laughs, Phill.

-- 
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
     Eric S. Perlman 				 <perlman@qso.colorado.edu> 
  Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder