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From: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: NEWS: China overseas policy change
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:37:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bxx7In.2rw
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <1992Nov18.074219.23511@nntp.hut.fi> ldong@hila.hut.fi (Liyun Dong) writes:
>In article <BxvMtt.7J0@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron) writes:
>
>What about Dr An Wang who found his own company in US and became a
>multi-billionaire?  Was he a beggar or a conqueror? Most of his employees
>were whites. He established his company in New England because he 
>found that the people (maintream whites) there were the best educated
>and with high efficiency. He made a great profit from those talented
>and industreous white employees. 
>
>You can choose be a slave or master wherever you are. 
>
>Pan
>-------
>Finland

Dr. Wang ignored the rapid progress in computer industury, managed his company
with old philosophy, and eventually lead his company to collapse.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: questions of the Korean WAr
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:51:23 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.065012.19390@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> cmhui@cucs18.cs.cuhk.hk (Hui Chau Man) writes:
>wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao) writes:
>
>>Dear netters,
>
>>I recently saw a program of the Koeran War.
>>I wonder why the U.S. didn't get a victory
>>in that war.  The U.S. troops are much stronger
>>than North Koeran and Chinese troops by the
>>mean of equipments.  The same force with the 
>>same general, General McArthur, defeated Japanese
>>troops in the Pacific, but were frustrated by
>>North Korean and China.
>
>>Which side did most Korean people support?
>>Was the conflict between General McArthur and
>>President Truman(spelling ?) a big cause of
>>the non-victory ending?
>>Did the U.S. force fight as hard as they did
>>in the WWII?
>>Did North Korean and Chinese forces push the 
>>U.S. force back by vast number of troops?
>
>Before Mao send the troop to North Korean, Mao knew that if the US army
>lost 50 to 60 thousand people in the battle, then US will retreat. Mao
>win. Mao lost 500 to 600 thousand people in the game. Win!? 
>
The US probably would be pissed, remember, this is the pre-vietnam
era, there's no thought of US of A losing a war, they just "kicked
butt" in WWII.


>Of course, if McArhtur had use nuclear weapon, there would be anther
>story. 
>
McArthur can't use nuclear weapon, period, only Prez. Truman can.
The problem is McArthur was yelling "nuke'em, blockade, total war"
knowing fully well none of the above well happen, if the USA wants
to fight a full-scale war it will be with USSR, not with anyone else.
McArthur said all these things just to cover up his own military
failure, and the fact that his own butt was royally kicked by
Peng De-Huai, and then he made another mistake of won't shut up
and continued insubordination, which pissed Truman and the joint
chief of staff off, and had himself fired.  

>By the way, when fighting in the mountain, high-tech weapon are not 
>effective. Vehicle are worse then leg at that moment. 
>
it's not all mountain, the US had superior tanks, planes, artillery,
ships, it's not only "vehicles".  

>>Should or shouldn't the U.S. enter the war if the UN
>>didn't make a decision to help South Korean?
>>Should or shouldn't China enter the war?
>
>>What was the reason of North Korean's invasion at
>>the beginning of the war?  
>
>>The program I saw called the Korean War a forgotten
>>war.  What do you think is the biggest reason
>>that most Americans don't talk about this war so much?
>
>>Thank you for your attention.
>
>>Wen Zongyao


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: llx@po.cwru.edu (Lisa Lei Xu)
Subject: test
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:47:58 GMT

this is just a test.  Please ignore.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dyg6958@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Denise )
Subject: Look for Gao(1) Yi(1) Bin(1), from 80-12 of USTC
Summary: Looking for Gao(1) Yi(1) Bin(1), from 80-12 USTC
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:38:27 GMT
Keywords: Looking for Gao(1) Yi(1) Bin(1), from 80-12 USTC

If Gao(1) Yi(1) Bin(1) from 1980 Dept.12 (Macromolecular Chemistry?) of Univ.of
Scince and Technology of China (USTC) has come to American, please reply me and let me know. Haven't heard form you for a long time.

Or if anybody knows, please also let me know. Thanks a lot.
From: kzhan@sgi1 (Kaijun Zhan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Too many political talk in this group.
Date: 20 Nov 1992 03:00:28 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics & Statistics, Univ. of Guelph
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Weize Wade Xiong (wwxiong@atlantis.ksu.ksu.edu) wrote:
: 
: Hi there,
: I think these group is about Chinese culture. If anyone want to post an artical
: about politic of China, please post them under the group "talk.politic.China".
: 
: Thanks.
: 
: 
also, create a group talk.politics.china.fighting for fighting and nasty words.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: qye@next4 (QIAN YE)
Subject: Re:  Do the CMFN promoters believe CMFN is good to China  ? 
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:15:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.044344.23573@marlin.jcu.edu.au>  
phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng) writes:
> When an important action which affect many people, such as lobbying  
CMFN, is 
> carried out, what is the normal procedure to start by the persons who
> want to work for others ?   It does not matter whether or not you
> support the action.  The first should be to investigate both the good
> and bad effects produced by the action and then ask for the opinions of
> the concerned people.  
> 
> In my memory, when IFCSS first started pushing the CMFN bill two years
> ago, they ever carried out a poll on this net and the result of the poll
> was favor to their decision, which means that they know they should take
> care people's opinions.  As soon as the CMFN action was started, there
> were stronge objections appeared on the net and then this kind of poll
> have never been carried out again by IFCSS.  What does it mean ?   It
> only means that the persons in IFCSS only used CSSer's opinions as tool
> for their interests.  As soon as the majority of CSSers disagree with
> them, CSSer's opinions become unimportant.  But the amount, 50 K, is
> still very important for them to keep the American politician's interest
> on them.
See what is on HXWZ today. What Mrs. Daiqing said is a good discription of  
those Chinese CMFN promoter's face.   
> 
> When the CMFN promoters first pushed for CMFN, they claimed which aimed
> to promote democracy and human right in China.   When they found many
> CSSers disagreed with them, they drop the word "democracy" and only  
claimed
> to promote human right in China.   Now, they have found that there are
> many persons give the reason that CMFN hurt Chinese people, thus they  
only
> cliam to improve the human right conditions of those political
> prisoners.   The human right of all Chinese people have become those of
> political prisoners.   The way to know whether or not Chinese people are
> hurt by the bill is very simple.  They only need to organise a poll to
> ask the opinions of people in Mainland China and Hong Kong, which is  
their
> responsibility, because their behavours have affected other people.
> Unfortunately, this has never been carried out.  Thus, it raises a
> question that whether or not they care about human right in China, or
> they only use CMFN as a tool to carry out their political careers.  
> 
> It is also very important that they started lobbying the CMFN bill only
> based on one assumption, "The CMFN bill can push the CG to improve the
> human right conditions in China.".   There have never been any other
> reasonable reason to be given by them to support their action, which
> only means they don't care how the CMFN works and they only want to use
> CMFN as a chance to start their political careers in China.
> 
> 
> 
> J Su
>      Have you seen any reasonable reason given by those CMFN promoters ?
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Kuomintang Conscription Policy in 1930s
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:56:49 GMT

In article <By4EvE.3r0@iat.holonet.net> wdrew@iat.holonet.net (Walter H. Drew) writes:
>During the Japanese invasion of China (specifically Shanghai) in the 1930s
>would an Amerasian have been subject to being drafted into the Chinese
>Army? If so, would he have been exempted from service if he were rich or a
>scholar?
No! Absolutely not! At the time U.S. taught KMT a lession by blasting NanJing
fro KMT being close to Soviet. KMT got hit and was scared to do anything
offending U.S., and while being hit hard by Japanese, deared not go back to
soviet for Weaponary, only begging U.S. for intervention.Finally
U.S. came to help only after supplying Japan military for years of gas and
steel until NanJing Massacre(after Peral Harbor).
From: kzhan@sgi1 (Kaijun Zhan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Chinese magzine
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:53:55 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics & Statistics, Univ. of Guelph
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I would like to publish a local chinese news magzine. I would like to 
hear any experience, wether positive or negative, from the people who
already been involving this work.

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From: liao@cs.purdue.edu (Qingyi Liao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: ticket
Date: 21 Nov 1992 22:59:53 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
Distribution: usa
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:07:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.144014.12003@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>
>>In article <BxrztD.7r@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>>>
>>>Each progress reported on People's Daily and/or any other medium is done 
>>>by many plain Chinese people like us, who worked 20hr per day, sending their
>>>kids to the grandma, staying the post with illness-excuse in pocket. If 
>>>someone says they did nothing worthwhile, he won't be popular. The
>>>gang of four said "don't work for wrong line", they are not popular.
>
>>My sympathy to you. But I think it is not right to send your kids to
>>your grandma. Kids need to stay with their immediate parents unless
>>the parents are not qualified. You should demand for 20hr pay as well.
>>You should demand the pay that matches your work. When you are ill,
>>you should not put the illness-excuse in your pocket. You are entitled
>>to have vacation when you are ill, or even you are not ill.
>
>>By the way, what are you working for? For the country? Something seems
>>to be wrong.
>
>I don't think you are qualified to be a US citizen now, ask those older
>soldiers in the middle east if they brought their child with them.
>I can understand the reason you look down the working people, because
>you want to tell people what your democracy means.

If Xiao-lin really thinks what he wrote, he is well qualified to be a US
citizen(whether he is is not up to me). I did not see anywhere that he showed
contempt toward the working class people. What he meant to say was getting
paid for what you have done is your right and you should exercise your right.
Leaving your kids with your grandparents is not good for their development
and you should try your best to spare some time from your work to stay with
them. Going to extreme does not help convining people because working people do
not go to the middle east to fight wars.

One thing that I can infer from xiao-lin's post is that he thinks working
for one's country is just a hollow slogan. My guess is that you are not 
comfortable with this thought. No comment on my part.

Of course what I have just reiterated is what ordinary Americans think.
So please don't drag me into a war on whether ASian hard-working mentality
is better for human race than good old American family values.:-)

Fan



Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30577 talk.politics.china:2730
From: jialin@jacob.botany.uga.edu (Jialin Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:25:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: rigel.1992Nov16.192558.22332
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <~~{5K~~}.92Nov13163110@owl.bunny.rhic.bnl.gov> ~~{5K~~}@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~~{5K6,F=~~}) writes:
>--
>
>~~{5K6,F=~~} 

DDP, do you login as ~~{5K~~} ? Receiving email? 
Interesting.
From: xtian@cs1.bradley.edu (Xiaoling Tian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shannon Yeh Project, Please READ !!
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:40:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs1.xtian.722072434
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

In <BxvMp7.9MI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> root@netix.com (root@netix.com) writes:


>Apologies from the Shannon Project, Super Computing Center of UCI.
>Dear netters,

>This apology is especially from those who read soc.culture.china.

>A few weeks ago, yeh@netix.com (Mr. Shannon Yeh) posted an 
>extremely inappropriate message on the above mentioned newsnet.
>A few points below will explain the incident, we hope:

>1). Shannon is non-human.  It is the subject of our top research, code 
>named shannon.compunaut.ai.uci.   Basically Shannon is a virtual 
>Chinese able to communicate in English or Chinese, based 
>superficailly on ELISA-like principles, but really much more 
>advanced.  It can read both language and understands the true 
>meaning through extensive parsing.

It is a joke made by Mr.Shannon Yeh. Also it can see he is system               administrator of machine netix.com so he can use root account and also
he can create an account with any name in this machine.


>2). However, due to our negligence, the mentality programmed into 
>Shannon was no longer a Chinese, instead, by mistake, we 
>programmed the hybrid mentality of an anonymous Chinese and that
> of a subset of David Duke.  It therefore had immense hatred toward 
>any foreign residents, including those of Chinese origin.

If your UIUC can programme out so smart project I think your school can
get next Nobel Prize in AI.



>Supervisor,

>the Shannon project.
>    -------
>Netix Communication, Inc.   

Don't fooled by the sham root or supervisor. He is only a superuser in his
machine netix.com maybe not at all. Do you all still rember we seen Deng
Xiaoping in SCC before ? They abuse their computers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: IBM's Hiring Policy
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:07:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.155552.29862@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> weimin@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Weimin Liu) writes:
>>IBM does hire foreigners, but I have seen the ads from IBM that say it 
>>only hire people from Taiwan, S.Korean, Sigapore (sp?), etc. People from
>>mainland are not included. I wonder if this is the IBM's policy, or some
>>specific departments'.
>
>I don't know enough about IBM per se, but quite a few U.S. companies
>don't hire people from Mainland China who don't have a green card.
>The reason is NOT because they (the companies) can get enough good
>people, NOT because they have to apply for PR for you; IT'S because
>you're from Mainland China, which is on a list of "communist" countries.
>If these companies want to hire you, they'll have to apply for some
>kind of export license, which itself is a much bigger pain in the you-
>know-what than applying for PRs.  So if you're from India or Taiwan,
>for example, you don't need to worry about this.
>
>[deleted]
>

I have also heard of this policy before. But it might have changed in recent
years at some companies. For instance, a postdoc here told me that AT&T
Bell lab would not hire people from communist countries when he graduated,
but now it does hire such people.

These policies are bound to change. If SUN strictly hires people without
communist background, where would it get bargains like the backbone of
former Soviet computer science for $5,000 per scientist per year? That's it,
bussiness sense surpasses all.

That's why if you don't want to be a slave to others, you have to start your
own bussiness.

Fan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xyang@bcars279.UUCP (Sherry Yang)
Subject: Re: What pride to take in being a Chinese?
Keywords: Mao Zhuxi,6.4
Reply-To: xyang@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:34:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.104349@IASTATE.EDU>, zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng) writes:
|> I was told to be proud of being a Chinese since I was young. Now I am
|> lost as I come up with this question, what pride to take in being a 
|> Chinese?
|> 

If you have self-respect (Zi4 Zun1) or self-pride (Zi4 Zhong4)
you should be proud of who you are, no matter you're Chinese or not.
Being proud of that we're Chineses do not necessarily mean
non-Chinese are not as good as us. Chineses do have things to be 
proud of and be shamed of. So, take the pride on whatever you 
consider of being proud of and improve on whatever you think can 
get better at.

Does the above sound like a 'Rao4 Kou3 Ling4'? :-) I can hardly
read it to myself, anyway.
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: When did Hongkong people have right-to-vote-their-own-leader?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:25:48 GMT

[end of this article]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: cfmn?
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 21 Nov 92 21:39:36 EST

In Article: <BxptGv.8uo@news.iastate.edu>
   Subject: CFMN?
      From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:


ZZ> Actually, my criricision didn't go to Prof. Li specificlly, as I
ZZ> indicated above. But if WE DON'T HAVE TO bear the possible risks
ZZ> and/or conseqences, we should be responsible to our decision of the
ZZ> other people's future. Be cautious to make the decision.

DXP said: "Mo1 Zhe5 Shi2 Tou2 Guo4 He2" (Cross the river by thumbing
through the stones [on the river bed]), Can we say that is less risky?
Howcome that I did not hear your complain to Deng4 Da4 Ren2?(Boss Deng)
? :-)

Does CG fully inform the Chinese people, on the risk of the present state
of China? when money replaced ideology, to become the only aim of lives
in China, what will become of tomorrow's Chinese society?

I'm curious if you ever thought of the risk, that CCP's determination to
maintain the white lie of "The correctness of the Socialism with Chinese
characters" may become the "Capitalism of the worst kind" ?

Wether we pro-CMFN or pro-UMFN, I doubt that any of us on SCC are in any
position to decide for Chinese people's future.
Sometimes, I do feel that some netters' exaggerations on the SCC are quite
amusing. :-)

However, try to use your own view as the absolute correctness and try to use
this correctness to justify the silencing of the opposing view cannot
not be condoned. I think that you do owe Prof. Li an apology. :-|


ZZ> If you haven't made up your mind, not yelling is right. But think
ZZ> about it hard.

Even if you did made up your mind, yelling still does not increase the
correctness  of your view. :-)

(I acknowledge that I myself do enjoy yelling at CCP sometimes! I still
say: Yelling does not increase the correctness of the contents of the
yelling.)  B-)

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From: kzhan@sgi1 (Kaijun Zhan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: zhou en-lai and his chara
Date: 20 Nov 1992 02:57:02 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics & Statistics, Univ. of Guelph
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"micky wong" (micky.wong@canrem.com) wrote:
: 
:    I'm very surprised with the recent comments reagrding Premier Zhou En-Lai,
: 
:    No matter how much crimes & atrocities that CCP, as a party, to have
: mild but effective cures to save China from her overdose of the poison
: "Communism".
.........(deleted)
: 
: --
: Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
: World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
I totally agree with the points. We are young and have a lot to learn.
I was shocked by those argument of which some are dirty. My question is
not how bad or good the personal character of Zhou. My question is
   What would you do if you were in his position?
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