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From: smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu (sofjan mustopoh)
Subject: Re: Indonesia wants SCUD missiles?
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 13:52:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.012312.22950@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffi
e.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.135117.10076@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.a
.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>> 
>> engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau) writes:
>> :     I would consider the SCUD as a non-defensive weapon.  The posses
ion of
>> :     such a weapon by one of the ASEAN nation will definitely spark o
f
>> :     stronge reaction from the other nations.  The worst case would b

>> :     to trigger an arm race in the region.  I don't think this is wha

>> :     the political leaders wanted.
>> 
>> I think it is a good idea for asean to beef up its defences. At the mo
ent
>> it is sitting duck against Vietnam, China, and Japan even with the res
urces
>> that this region has.
>> 
>> :     
>> :     As a result of the amount of propaganda given to the SCUD,
>> :     I don't think one needs a nuclear warhead and still can
>> :     achieve the same psychological impact.  (Given the poor accuracy
>> :     of the SCUD, I'm not sure that it will actually land in Singapor

>> :     even though that it is aimed here. (-:)
>> It may miss orchard road, but not the whole Island.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>> Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>> Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>> Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
>
>While I very much doubt if Indonesia would ever use a SCUD against
>Singapore, even if they had one, I can not resist pointing out the
>fact that it doesn't have to miss by much to hit Johore instead of
>Singapore.
>
>Edmund


   I'm not so sure Indonesian will use SCUD as offensive weapon
  but indonesian might benefit with the technology transfer accompa-
  ning the sale of the missile.
       you see Indonesia govt. has a rocket development program in
  java. thought it never go high profile. Probably some old general
  think they could tinker with the missile just like ol' Hussein.
  
        As for offensive value. i don't see a real punch in scuds.
  i expect storm of protest from Australia. for this Scuds.

  Muskie
  UK07802@ukpr.uky.edu

--
Sofjan Mustopoh
UK07802

" Better soon Than late "
From: esl_manager@uh.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: [Discussion]: Absorbing Immigrants into S'pore
Keywords: social problems, economy, immigration
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:00:36 GMT
Reply-To: esl_manager@uh.edu ()
Organization: University of Houston

Hi soc.culture.asean readers,

	I don't mean to draw some words of anger or disgreement but just to
start some discussions on the topic of absorbing immigrants from
overseas into the Singaporean community. Allow me to begin with some
questions so as to start the ball rolling.
	Are there any current studies being done at NUS or other governmental
bodies on how the Singaporean community can absorb the influx of
overseas immigrants? What are the possible conflicts that could occur or
are occurring presently? Are there any research done to compare/contrast
the problems faced at other countries; in particular, the U.S.? What are
the impacts on the local job market when competitive foreign immigrants
start to flow into S'pore? Is the government releasing any statistics
about the true job market situation? How are the cultures of the
immigrants affecting the Singaporean culture---diluting or strengthening
the local culture? By and large, are the new immigrants willing to be
assimilated into the S'pore culture, or are they persistently distinct?
What kinds of problems will these issues bring to S'pore? Is S'pore a
more successful cultural melting-pot than the U.S.? If so, how
different? Do we have anymore land-mass to absorb more immigrants?
	These are but a few questions for the civil to discuss. I'm curious to
know what others feel about this subject; especially, the Singaporeans
themselves. Discussions from immigrants themselves are also welcomed.
After all, we need to see both sides of the coin, don't we?

--
Arthur
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korea,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.asian.american
From: s8923098@macgraw.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: Japanese cannibalism in WWII (atrocities ignored by the Japanese)
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:57:02 GMT

In article <1170@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
|[hsteve@carina.unm.edu writes about cannibalism by Japanese on
|Papua-New Guinea during WWII]
|
|I was a missionary on the Micronesian island of Pohnpei (Ponape) in the
|early 1980's.  Every year in September the Pohnpeians have a celebration
|of when the Americans saved them from becoming human sushi to the
|Japanese who had been occupying the island.
|
|The Japanese supply lines were cut and the Japanese forces on the island
|were starving.  There was a plan by the Japanese to make food out of the
|natives but was not executed due to an American liberation of the island on
|September 6 (?, I am not sure of the date or year).
|
|Even without this "harvesting" plan, the Japanese are guilty of making the
|locals into slaves.  They not only forced the locals into labor but
|also beat the workers, many of them are children.

David, 
You can expect an answer from Dwight Joe "I did not happen. It must be
a Chinese-?? invented story. Anyway, if it really happened, the Chinese
must have eaten more Pohnpeins that the japanese did because Chinese
are more evil than Japanesei". The Japanese soldiers in New Guinea also
ate the flesh of many Australian soldiers. And they wrote in their report
(which has just been discovered recently) that the taste of Australian
flesh was better than other race.

--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________|
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:43:36 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1992Aug27.021148.16226@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>
>I'm not in contention. I do not mind having a boss who graduate form MIT with
>Sum Cum Laude honours.
>
>I do mind if my boss is from a British Polytechnic with Third Class honours,
>even if he has a PhD.
>

I think you will have a problem making a decision if the latter person got 
his PhD from MIT ... Anyway, it is not a good idea to pick just one aspect 
of a person's life and judge them forever on that.  Otherwise, for all you 
know your colleague (boss) may be saying: "I can never respect a graduate 
of City University, no matter what his BSc exams were like or what he did 
after he left there". 
	A question: you seem to have a lot of opinions on what sort of 
PhDs are acceptable or not.  May I ask where you got your PhD and how you 
would rate it to all the PhDs that been discussing.  Just curious.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: US vs British university degree
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:43:31 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1992Aug25.145852.24017@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> pehng@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Peh Ng) writes:
>In article <ges.22.0@boris.net.com> ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:
> [stuff deleted]
>>
>>Actually, you can still buy degrees in the US. I read about a pschologist
>>who was being investigated for some offence or other in Australia ( I think).
>>It was later discovered that he had bought a Ph.D degree from some American
>>University. I will not name the university. 
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Actually, you might do the public a favor by revealing the University; as 
> long as the above case is proven true. What ticks me off is the fact that 
> all those students who worked their butts off for a degree at this 
> particular university may have to go through some unjustifiable scrutiny 
> just because of "one rotten egg", so to speak.
> That is why the university should be reprimanded.


Columbia-Pacific.  

>
>>Apparently, you can buy degrees
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>in the US. 
> 
> I think that dude might have received an Honorary Doctorate degree, which 
> sometimes can be quite subjective, as far as the procedure to find 
> qualified candidates.


No, he bought it .   If you look in the back of a number of magazines in 
the US, you will find universities that offer degrees for "life experience", 
provided you pay the fees, and some that sell outright.  Quite a number 
of these have no more than a mailbox for a campus.  I will locate such 
a magazine and name some for you.  

>
>>Fortunately, most people who go to the US work for their degrees.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> You betcha! With 5 learned professors from different areas in your 
> PhD committee "scrutinizing" and "looking over your shoulder"; when 
> they signed your thesis, you have earned it. 
>
> Just my 2-cents worth of personal experience. 
>
> Peh H. Ng


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: Indonesia wants SCUD missiles?
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 14:54:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.135117.10076@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg>, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
|> engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau) writes:
|> :     I would consider the SCUD as a non-defensive weapon.  The possession of
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> :     such a weapon by one of the ASEAN nation will definitely spark off
|> :     stronge reaction from the other nations.  The worst case would be
|> :     to trigger an arm race in the region.  I don't think this is what
|> :     the political leaders wanted.
|> 
|> I think it is a good idea for asean to beef up its defences. At the moment
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> it is sitting duck against Vietnam, China, and Japan even with the resources
|> that this region has.
|> 
Yeah but scud is NON-DEFENSIVE in nature, aka OFFENSIVE and AGGRESIVE.
And how could scuds defend Indonesia against Vietnam, China and Japan?
The missiles would just take a swim in South China Sea.
-- 
...Kyle              khor@bnr.ca         (613) 763-2488
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From: rreed@mtwire.es.com (Rob Reed)
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
	<1992Aug20.005856.19784@oracle.us.oracle.com>
	<9b#nd_l.jkatz@netcom.com> <1992Aug26.023823.18371@openage.openage.com>
	<1992Aug26.152807.5690@bnr.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:22:34 GMT

> Has anyone ever flew Korean Airlines?  I agree that their prices are much
> cheaper than other airlines, but my travel agent discouraged me from using
> them because she said they were like 'cattle cars'.  I don't want to spend
> 12+ hours flying uncomfortably....if anyone can confirm or deny this I would
> appreciate it!

Yes, I've flown twice with Korean Airlines.  Prices were excellent.
($650 & $750 round trip Portland Oregon - Bangkok) Service was very
good.  Didn't seem like a cattle car.  BUT on my second trip it took
over 24 hours from Portland to Bangkok!!!  This is not entirely Korean
Airlines' fault: I went from Portland to San Jose(?) then to LAX on
Delta, or something, and then Korean from LAX up to Anchorage, and
then to Soul, then to Taipei, then finally to Bangkok.  After arriving
in Bangkok I would have been glad to have paid an extra couple hundred
dollars to have gone a much more direct route, because I was totally
wiped out for the next few days, and kind of angry too.

By the way, isn't Korean Airlines the same company that had their 747
blown up by the Russians?  I asked them that question in Anchorage
(since our flight path was quite near the place it was blown up) and
they said "No!  That was Korean Air.  This is Korean Airlines" or
something like that.

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From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,rec.travel
Subject: Re: Cheap airfares to Asia
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:57:55 GMT
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  <RREED.92Aug26172234@mtwire.es.com>
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


>By the way, isn't Korean Airlines the same company that had their 747
>they said "No!  That was Korean Air.  This is Korean Airlines" or
>something like that.

Actually KAL has the dubious distiction of being shot down twice
by the Soviet Union. The first was a Boeing 707 in the late 70's
(around 1978), and the other the infamous 747. It has also had
a plane bombed on the way back from Tripoli.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: looi@ssf-corp.dhl.com (Wan Looi)
Subject: Re: open letter/Dwight/apologies
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:40:17 GMT
Organization: DHL Worldwide Express, Redwood City, Calif., USA

In article <1992Sep1.033540.14037@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA) writes:
>In article <ges.35.0@boris.net.com> ges@boris.net.com (G.E. Song) writes:
>
>   ......
>|
>|I have heard of all of them and more. You will notice that a significant 
>|majority of people where these groups originate don't like them. In coutries
>|like Germany, the past is an embarrasement. Is all this the same in oriental
>|coutries? Bear in mind that the tian mein riots were only a drop in the 
>                                 ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>What is it? A kind of noodles? Heavenly noodles?
>
>

Does this ring a bell? Even an overseas Chinese with a very limited 
knowledge of Chinese Language would know how to write it correctly 
(phonetically speaking), if not the correct spelling.

So Mr "G.E.Song", have you been eating "heavenly noodles with
3-bone soup base" lately? :-)

Ciao!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhkho@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Ho Hiang Kwee)
Subject: Re: Indonesia wants SCUD missiles?
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:07:16 GMT

engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau) writes:

: In article <1992Aug27.120853.42597@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
: |> [stuffs deleted ...]

: |> And if (a big IF that is) Indonesia wanted to attack Singapore, SCUDS is the
: |> least thing Indonesia needs (if u know what i mean... ;-) )
: 
:     Please elaborate what are the other options Indonesia has.  Don't tell
:     me that every Indoneasian spit a mouthful of siliva will be sufficient
:     to drown Singapore.  In the last 40 years, did the main land China
:     managed to do that to Taiwan?  Not even that "Jin Men" island so close
:     to their coast.
: 
: -Won Soon
: -- 

Challenging our Indonesian friends to tell us how they can threaten us?

I think Won Soon is being too touchy. As a Singaporean, I am proud 
that we will probably prove to be no pushovers if a regional conflict 
should arise.

Yet, my feeling is that the best defence posture/policy we can adopt
is to be friendly, and less easily provoked (ie. have a thick skin).
Singapore can be justifiably accused of over-spending on our arms forces
to a much greater extent than our neighbours. I don't think we
should be telling (or advising) them what they can buy or cannot buy.

The line between an offensive or defensive weapon is hardly clear-cut.
A pre-emptive strike on an aggressor (with Scuds or whatever) can
be justified as a "defensive" military action . And, as all Singaporeans
who have undergone national service should know, - the best defence
is a strong offence. 

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Nanyang Ave., Singapore 2263.  ||    Fax:   +65 791-1859
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan)
Subject: Re: Bad neighborhoods in Singapore
Organization: Organised?  Here?  Hahahahahahahaha.....
	<1992Aug26.043120.24694@newsroom.utas.edu.au>
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:51:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.043120.24694@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:

>In article <920824204854.2200344d@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> From the keyboard of G.E.Song, who writes:
>> 
>> >>People worth respecting are called elders if they are older than
>> >>oneself, those who are not worth respecting are called 'lao jiao' or old
>> >>bird.
>> >
>> >I thought lao jiao meant prick. (or is it lan chiao)
>> 
>>   "jiao" since j == ch phonetically. And yes, the word means "prick."
>> 
>> --
>> Syed Shibli

>'Jiao' means 'bird' in Hokkien which can mean 'prick' depending on the context
>which it is used. 'lao' means 'old', so 'lao jiao' means 'old bird' which
>is usually refers to someone who is an 'old hand'/experienced at something.
>I have'nt a clue what 'lan' means though 'lan-jiao'(or simply 'lan' for short)
>means 'prick'

Nearly right.  Translated correctly (and not literally) "lan chiao" means
"prick" and "lao chiao" means "an old hand at something."


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From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (E.A. JAAFAR)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Gridiron season again.
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:25:51 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I was shocked to receive email from *someone* asking me how much
my parents have to pay to send me to study at the North Ave. Trade
School.  That person thought that I'm a high school kid! 

Well, I laughed my heart out...sorry pal...North Ave. Trade School
is a college.  A nickname for the Georgia Institute of Technology,
...yes just like the header says.  

Well this year, Tech(that's also one of our common names) is celebrating
100 years of football.  This year denotes the 100th anniversary of     
old college rivalry between Tech and the university[sic] of georgia.

The following is the most recent college football preseason ranking
according to Associated Press(AP):

Rank		College
1		Miami
2		Washington
3 		Notre Dame
4		Florida
5		Florida St.(we'll kick your ass!!!)
6		Michigan
7		Texas A&M
8		Penn State
9		Alabama
10		Syracuse
11		Nebraska
12		Colorado
13		Clemson(fluke!!!)
14		Georgia(Sucks!!!...the hillbillies...puke on'em)
15		Oklahoma
16		Iowa
17		Stanford
18		UCLA
19		Ohio State
20		California
21		Tennessee
22		Mississippi St.
23		Georgia Tech...the only engineering school with guts!
24		Brigham Young
25		Texas

Alright now...y'll take care.  What the magic word?...yup, it's
		"To hell with Georgia"
and remember, a good DAWG is a dead DAWG!
 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: edward@iti.gov.sg (Edward Lim)
Subject: Soccer #28: Semi-Pro Leave Div I: S'pore falls to Second Division
Originator: edward@hades.iti.gov.sg
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:54:04 GMT


Last-minute Zainal goal seals the Lions' fate
---------------------------------------------

Singapore condemned itself to Division Two of the Semi-Pro League when it lost
0-1 to a last-minute Pahang goal at the National Stadium on Wednesday night. 
It was a match S'pore can't afford to lose if it wanted to keep its hopes of
staying in Division One alive.  For 88 minutes, it looked like the Lions were
going to stun the newly-crowned champions as they launched attach after attack.
The match was entirely dominated by the S'pore side with occasional
counter-attacks by a half-strength Pahang side who were content to just sit
back and absorb the pressure.  S'pore had its chances but didn't have a deadly
striker in the mould of Pahang's Zainal to finish them off.  In the end, it
was left to Zainal to brilliantly take a half-chance to kill of all of S'pore's
hopes.

There are talks now on in the FAM that the Semi-Pro League's format may be
reverted to one division instead of the present two next year.  This may mean
that S'pore (and Selangor) may not have to play in the lower division next
season.

BTW, Kedah are the Division Two champions.

Here's the league standings as at 27 August 1992:

                 P   W   D   L    F    A   Pts
Pahang          17  11   4   2   28    8   26
Sarawak         17   5   9   3   13   12   19
Negri Sembilan  17   7   5   5   23   22   19
Terengganu      17   7   5   5   23   23   19
KL              17   6   5   6   15   14   17
Perak           17   4   8   5   21   19   16
Johor           17   6   4   7   23   28   16
Sabah           17   5   5   7   19   26   15
Singapore       17   4   4   9   20   23   12
Selangor        17   3   5   9   18   27   11


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From: zi22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Zulkafli M. Idris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Soccer #28: Semi-Pro Leave Div I: S'pore falls to Second Division
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:54:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cechhKa00WBLM9SHVe
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

SELANGOR!!!! what is wrong with you
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: spleong@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Leong Siew-Peng)
Subject: Looking for a Summer Job
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:47:17 GMT

	Hello!  I'm interested in getting a job in Kuala Lumpur,
Malaysia during the Summer Holidays (Dec - Feb).  I'll be back there at
the end of the year and hope to get a job to keep me occupied (and get
some experience) and in the mean time earn some pocket money. It would
be great to get an office job and even better if it is related to
computers or accounting.  Thank you.

Regards.

Please email me at spleong@tartarus.uwa.edu.au if an opportunity comes
up.



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