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From: adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir)
Subject: Re: Windows don't remember positions
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:37:24 GMT

>
>In short, no.  The program must be coded to remember its window
>position.  Most do -- it is bad form not to.  However, if I had a dime
>for every programmer who practiced bad form...

These are the OS2 system apps that I am talking about.  What you have just
said is that the OS/2 programmers used "bad form"...  I couldn't agree more.
What we've got here is a wonderful BASE OS.  What we need is for them to take
it and massage it and work with it and add all the little frilly frills that
people need/want, and then we'll have a truly superior OS.

>Much like WIN.INI, OS2SYS.INI can grow as applications add
>information.  A few applications (e.g. Describe) are polite enough to
>have "UnInstall" routines which will remove this extraneous
>information when you delete the application.  However, if you like to
>try a lot of new software, this file will grow and grow.  The CopyINI
>utility presumably trims OS2SYS.INI back down to the bare, system
>essentials.
>
>The solution is again to get better programmers who will be kind
>enough to keep the information saved in the INI files to a minimum,
>and who will provide an uninstall feature.  Of course, programmers
>like to think that everything they write is useful ("You mean you want
>to uninstall MY application?"), so don't hold your breath.  (The
>same problem applies to Windows, as I mention, with WIN.INI.  In that
>particular case WIN.INI is plain text, so you can use a text editor to
>trim it.  That can be a mixed blessing, since, if you don't know what
>you are doing, you can trash things quite easily.  It is a little more
>difficult with OS/2's INI files.)
>
Again, the "better programmers" you are referring to SHOULD have been the
ones at IBM.  Why didn't they add a "prune INI files" option so that we
wouldn't get stuck with an umpteen meg INI file?  You bring up the WIN.INI
file...well, the biggest WIN.INI file I have ever run across was about 50
or 60k long.  The OS/2 ini files are 4 times this to begin with.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: hoppie@kub.nl (Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers)
Subject: Re: HELP! Slow 8514/A after SP installation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:35:10 GMT
Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands

In article <1689B912A.CATD@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de> CATD@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Thorsten Domsalla) writes:
>I just installed the SP (10/92) and was surprised to see my windows
>popping up in half of the speed they did before. I have an 8514/A
>graphics adapter in a PS/2 Model 80-A31.
>I read that the 32-bit Graphics Engine is part of the SP but the
>8514/A driver still is a 16 bit... ;-(
>                                                                              W
>What can I do to get at least the old performance?
> 
>T.J.

This *might* be an intended effect. The Window Open Animation on
the GA release was so quick that you barely could notice it.
So this animation has been slowed down a lot. If you are annoyed
by it, switch animation off (somewhere in the System settings).

If windows open slower now *without* animation, aarrghll...
that's probably not the video driver but something more
deeply buried in the system.


Jeroen


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: CBURMAN@finabo.abo.fi ()
Subject: Re: Be careful with the CSD for OS/2???
Organization: The Clam of Reason Ltd.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:38:29 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Nov12.144253.28275@nntphost.ciba-geigy.ch> cfor@ciba-geigy.ch writes:

> 
> As I checked with IBM, the Version on software.watson.ibm.com is for users
> with a US Version of OS/2 ONLY. Most of european users have a UK Version and
> not a Us Version. You will run into deep trouble if you apply the CSD for US on
> a OS/2 beeing not US. Eg. the communicationmanager is very sensitive on this
> subject and many other applications too.

Yoiks... What sort of deep trouble? Which applications? 

I remember there was some talk of possible differences between the US & UK 
versions of OS/2 several months back, but I can't remember having read any 
definite descriptions. Could somebody please...?

A quote from my fave John Wayne film seems appropriate: "Oh God, no..."


Chris



Chris Burman, cburman@abo.fi
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Mouse cursor jerky while printing with CSD  Oct/92.
Date: 14 Nov 92 00:32:28 GMT
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago

In article <1992Nov12.100654.13857@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Wey Jing HO) writes:
>After installing the CSD and using it for the last 2-3 weeks, I found that
>the mouse cursor is very jerky while printer spooler is spooling to the
>printer. Along the similar area, while running Klondike with autoplay on,
>the mouse cursor has a tendency of being "stuck" in the active Klondike
>window area.
>My system is a 486-33, 256K cache, 16MB RAM, and running under 800x600
>256 colors Tseng ET4000 video.
>Does anyone has solution or experience with this?

Adjust the Spooler priority downward.  Use OS/2 System -> System Setup
-> Spooler.

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From: stimpy@nmt.edu (John Reynolds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Mouse problems in win-os2 after service pack
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:03:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1992Nov6.220305.3906
Organization: New Mexico Tech

After installing the Service pack, I've noticed that when I run
win-os2 programs, the mouse cursor will just disappear, and won't
reappear until I move the mouse around (it acts kind of like a strobe,
the mouse cursor flickers on and off while moving it). Anyone else
had that problem...??

I'm using a gateway 486/33, 16Mb ram, ATI Graphics Ultra with the
[stupid---oops, I didn't say that did I?] IBM 8514/a drivers...

Any help would be appreciated.

-Jr


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: CSD + Trident 1024*768 drivers
In-reply-to: davidb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au's message of Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:20:35 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:15:19

In article <1992Nov5.042035.15928@tplrd.tpl.oz.au> davidb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (David Bassin) writes:

>   It seems from the netnews that in systems to which the CSD has been
>applied, the Trident 8900C 800*600*256 driver has serious problems,
>such as transparent backgrounds in notebook tabs, etc.  The 800*600*16
>driver is reported as being OK.  I have not seen any reports on the
>1024*768 drivers.  I have used the 1024*768*256 driver for months.

The same problems exists in at least one of the 1024*768*256 drivers
(I used the 8514/A version with the larger fonts/icons).  The new fonts
are harder to read in 1024*768 mode.  I have not tried the 16 color
drivers.

Also, after changing my lockup password, the lockup feature does not
work correctly and requires a reboot after lockup.  This is a *major*
inconvenience.
--
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: hartzman@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Les Hartzman)
Subject: Re: Switching A and B drive sizes
Followup-To: hartzman@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov
Keywords: drives
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:58:32 GMT

In article <lfiva6INN30j@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> hethmon@duncan.cs.utk.edu (PAUL HETHMON) writes:
>I would like to switch my A and B drives where A is the
>3.5 and B the 5.25.  My question and problem is that all
>of my OS/2 disks are 5.25.  Would it be possible to just
>diskcopy the 5.25 disks to 3.5 disks.  This would just be
>for the original GA release disks.  I figure that the disks
>don't care if they are on 5.25 or 3.5 since the disk numbers
>would still match up(a one for one copy).
>
>Does anyone see any problems with this? And if so, solutions?
>

I have reported this as a problem to IBM, as I have switched the drives around
and I'm prompted for disks in the GA package when I run Selective Install.

People that responded to my previous posting kept telling me to change the CMOS
settings and all would be fine.  WRONG!  The CMOS is correct.  The problem is
that the install of GA has to create some sort of data base on the disk so that
it can refer to the correct disks if Selective Install is run again.  The CMOS
setting doesn't enter into it.  I've done diskcopies and formatting since 
switching my drives, and just for the fun of it, I did double check  the CMOS
to make sure I wasn't going crazy.

If IBM simply put out 1 size disk image, i.e., 1.2M, there would not be any
problems.  The disk numbers would be the same for either the 3.5 or the 5.25
format.

I've asked IBM to put out a patch to this, if it is more complicated than
copying a file off of the 3.5" disks.  This should go into the FAQ.

If I find out anymore, if no one else has a solution (short of re-installing
the 3.5" version), I'll post whatever I learn.  IF SOMEONE HAS ALREADY FIGURED
OUT WHAT HAS TO BE DONE, PLEASE POST!

Thanks.

Les



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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop system for OS/2?
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:55:53 GMT

In article <pathak-111192133411@virtual.mitre.org> pathak@mitre.org (Heeren Pathak) writes:
>The virtual desktop provided by Trident is fairly limiting.  I believe the
>virtual desktop refered to by the original is something quite different.

It has gotten a bit better, actually, with the addition of an
accessory utility.  But, to continue...

>The two virtual desktop packages that I am familiar with are tvtwm for X
>Windows and Xerox's Rooms for MS Windows.  Both systems let you define your
>desktop as a array of screens.  For example, I can define my desktop to be
>8 screens wide and 3 screens high.  Your physical screen is a view into
>this desktop.  There is generally a way to get a meta-view that display a
>compressed version of the entire virtual desktop on the physical screen so
>the user can rapidly more windows around and nagivate through the desktop. 
>Virtual desktops are really nice.  The allow you to partition your work
>into different screen areas and jump between them as needed without
>destroying the position of the windows or even minimizing the windows.  
>I would encourage people to try and checkout Xerox Rooms.  It is a rather
>nice package.  I have asked various Xerox sales reps if they are planning
>on porting Rooms to OS/2 and their statement was that they would if there
>was a demand for it.  If you can't actually see the package, I belive BYTE
>magazine had an article on Rooms about two years back (when it was still in
>the research stage).  I will try to find a reference for it.

Well, OS/2 2.0 implements something called work areas.  Look in your
Master Help Index for information on work areas.  I think you'll find
them useful.

Work areas combined with something like the Trident virtual desktop
drivers give you an awful lot to work with.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Questions:  Background Bitmap
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:22:26 GMT

In article <16852@umd5.umd.edu> adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:
> I found a really nice GIF that I decided to use as my background, so I 
> loaded into WinGIF and saved it as a BMP (and converted it from 256 colors
> to 256 grayscale since it looks cooler in B&W...very chic).  Anyway, 
> ever since installing this thing as my background, my sapfile has
> started growing IMMENSELY.  I used to stick around 5120k (under the 
> service pack) and it used to shrink down back to 5120 or so if it ever
> grew too far, but if I use the picture as my background, the swapper
> gets up to 13 or 14 megs after a while and there doesn't seem to be
> any reason why...and it doesn't come down.
> 
> The BMP file is only 500k long, so I thought at worst, I'd have 500k more
> of memory being thrown around...but it seems like this 500k increases
> EVERY TIME the screen is switched to full screen anything and back again.
> It seems like OS/2 is actually placing multiple copies of the bmp in
> memory and then forgetting to deallocate the space when it is supposed 
> to.  
> 
> Can anyone confirm this, or offer some explanation, or anything?
> 

Windows bmps are not the same as PM bmps (or so I have been told). I have a
program - from hobbes - called GIF2BMP. It converts GIF files into PM bitmaps.
The is also a program that converts Windows bitmaps into PM bitmaps....but I
forget what it's called.
 
Steve
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From: tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: PSTAT gone?
Date: 8 Nov 92 10:58:53 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

Where, oh where has PSTAT gone?  Oh where, oh where can it be?  I have
installed the ServicePak and just tried to run PSTAT a short while ago,
but the system said it didn't exist.  I've looked for it, and indeed
it doesn't exist, though the command HELP PSTAT does bring up the
expected help for the command syntax and explanation.  What I can't be
certain of is whether PSTAT was also missing from GA.  I can't be
sure I've used it since I upgraded from 1.3 to 2.0.

Does anybody out there who is using GA have PSTAT?  Does anybody who
has installed the ServicePak have PSTAT?
From: lclarke@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Lee Clarke)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Deskjet drivers from ibm
Date: 7 Nov 92 13:11:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Watson now has beta Deskjet drivers. Finally!
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: Re: 8514 dead?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 4 Nov 92 18:13:52 CST

In article <73053@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0297a@prism.gatech.EDU (DRURY,tim) writes:
>In <4ew4Dq30BwwwN31EFa@transarc.com> Lucian_Dancanet@transarc.com writes:
>
>>The Service Pak includes new 32-bit display drivers for VGA and XGA.
>>But what about 8514? Is it no longer supported by IBM?
>
>>Lucian  (an unhappy ATI Graphics Ultra owner)
>
>8514 is in the serv pack.  it installs fine; no questions asked.
>but still no seamless windows...
>
>-tim
>
>

Tim:

- Is the 8514/A driver support 32 bit or still 16 bit?

- As for the seamless window, you are correct and I don't expect the support
  soon (if ever).  Why?  Seamless windows support must directly access the
  onboard VGA adapter for each system.  The 8514/A also directly accesses the
  onboard VGA adapter for each system.  The 8514/A has write only registers
  that make "multitasking" between drivers which directly change the 8514/A
  and VGA adapter very interesting.

  This is not to say it is impossible.  From what I can observe, IBM is make
  a business decision as to the level of support the 8514/A receives.  There
  are many features, fixes, and enhancements that will deliever large OS/2
  sales.

  IMHO (and as an 8514/A owner), I must agree with OS/2.  Putting resourcess
  into getting more OS/2 sales is more important than 8514/A support.
  Hopefully, the work will level off, the headcount will go up, etc., and
  IBM will have the resources to do both items.

Bert.
From: stimpy@nmt.edu (John Reynolds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: VIO Sessions not corrupted anymore ATI users!!!!! READ THIS
Summary: Problem solved for corrupted vio sessions with ATI cards
Date: 7 Nov 92 06:20:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1992Nov7.062054.9116
Distribution: comp.os.os2.misc comp.os.os2 comp.os.os2.apps
Organization: New Mexico Tech

I have posted several times that when I run win-os2, my video output
of vio sessions is screwed. Well, thanks to duffy@theory.chem.ubc.ca
I was able to fix the problem. So, for those of you suffering from
this awful win-os2 related bug type thing, write this down.
Change all the settings (for fullscreen separate sessions--this assumes
you are using the ATI Graphics Ultra in 8514/a mode and IBM drivers) for
your win-os2 programs, and win-os2 fullscreen so that

VIDEO_SWITCH_NOTIFICATION is set from OFF to ON
VIDEO_8514_XGA_IOTRAP is set from ON to OFF
VIDEO_RETRACE_EMULATION is set from ON to OFF

and, majic (or magic, whatever), the vio session aren't corrupted any
longer. AND, an added bonus. The graphics speed of the win-os2 sessions
is really really (I mean really) boosted.

Thanks to duffy@theory for this again!!!!!

Go change those settings, and *really* multitask..... :)

-Jr


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Windows don't remember positions
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:00:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.193724.8543@wam.umd.edu> adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir) writes:
>>In short, no.  The program must be coded to remember its window
>>position.  Most do -- it is bad form not to.  However, if I had a dime
>>for every programmer who practiced bad form...
>These are the OS2 system apps that I am talking about.  What you have just
>said is that the OS/2 programmers used "bad form"...  I couldn't agree more.
>What we've got here is a wonderful BASE OS.  What we need is for them to take
>it and massage it and work with it and add all the little frilly frills that
>people need/want, and then we'll have a truly superior OS.

Agreed, mostly.  One thing Microsoft does reasonably well is to make
things, well, frilly.  (Never mind that the foundation is a bit weak.
:-))  IBM is learning, I'm sure.

However, some would consider it a feature that VIEW, for example,
takes up the whole screen.  :-)

>Again, the "better programmers" you are referring to SHOULD have been the
>ones at IBM.  Why didn't they add a "prune INI files" option so that we
>wouldn't get stuck with an umpteen meg INI file?  You bring up the WIN.INI
>file...well, the biggest WIN.INI file I have ever run across was about 50
>or 60k long.  The OS/2 ini files are 4 times this to begin with.

Actually, they did provide several methods to prune the INI files.  In
the Redbooks, for example, they suggest making back ups of these INI
files, so that you can revert to the old one should you do something
you don't like.  They have issued rudimentary INI file editors as part
of the Employee Written Software program (look on
software.watson.ibm.com), and there are various third party efforts
(e.g. ShowINI, INIMaint, etc).  The ALT-F1 trick on boot up restores
the INI files and desktop from the install defaults.  And the MAKEINI
program, documented in the printed material accompanying OS/2, does
something similar.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: jedwards@ms.uky.edu (Jonathan Edwards)
Subject: Re: IBM C-Set/2 1.0
    <1992Nov11.94239.23505@ms.uky.edu> <1992Nov12.000055.24272@netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:16:01 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:

>jedwards@ms.uky.edu (Jonathan Edwards) writes:

>>The order numbers for C Set/2 1.0 are 10G2996 (3.5") and 10G3293 (5.25").
>>If you are doing PM or OS/2 programming, you will need the header files
>>from the Developer's Toolkit (10G3355 for 3.5" and 10G4335 for 5.25").

>>The people at 800-IBM-2468 should be able to tell you the number to call to
>>order PC software from IBM.

>How do we order the C Set/2 version 2.0 upgrade?

I don't know, but the people at the software number you should be able to
get from 800-IBM-2468 probably do...
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: hstarke@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (Hal Starke)
Subject: Re: HELP: Service pack with WinOS/2 3.1 Beta
Reply-To: hstarke@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (Hal Starke)
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:34:57 GMT

> I installed the service pack on top of GA and things are looking
>pretty good.  Have seamless Windows 3.0 in 800x600x256 mode with Tseng
>ET4000 video.

>I then proceeded to install Windows 3.1 beta as if I were installing
>it on top of the beta release.  I can get Windows 3.1 to come up in
>full-screen, and even in 800x600 using appropriate ET4000 Windows 3.1
>drivers from ftp.cica.indiana.edu.

>So I modified my autoexec.bat and config.sys files to change
>references from c:\os2\mdos\winos2 to c:\winos231 and rebooted, as
>suggested by Al (adhir@cugnus.umd.edu).  While everything works as
>before, I can no longer get seamless windows applications to run, even
>stuff as simple as Windows 3.1 clock.  The system goes into a strange
>video mode with lots of horizontal blue lines, and hazy shadows of the
>underlying windows.  I restored my config.sys and autoexec.bat files,
>and now at least I can get seamless windows running Windows 3.0.

Go back and do the CSD again, it will go fast because it won't have to update many files, in fact I 
think its only 2, the os2kernal and and something call mp???.dll? When you installed win31 you 
changed the kernal. I have mine running with the CSD kernal and 3.1 and its as good as OS/2 gets.

Hope this helps.

Hal Starke, GTE Federal Systems
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