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From: llyons@next.com (Liza Lyons)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: arthritic hock  (long)
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:52:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.223716.15736@pbs.org> mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)  
writes:
> 
> I just had some rather distressing news from my vet.  Quest has arthritis in  
his
> right hock

(other stuff deleted)

Melanie:

I'm currently riding my trainer's 10 year old Swedish Warmblood who has  
navicular in the front and arthritis in the hind hocks.  Prior to a hunting  
injury last fall, he was getting a daily dose of bute to help him work at  
Novice level eventing activities.  Lucky is a lovely mover, and was doing  
reasonably well (we *thought*) on this program given regular work and long  
warm-ups (~ 20 minutes of walking followed by trotting - and sometimes  
cantering - on a long rein with an emphasis on FORWARD before asking him to  
work on the bit or jump).  He would occasionally be somewhat stiff, but always  
worked out of it with time.  

Lucky did have a few annoying habits, however, that we didn't attribute to his  
physical ailments until a recent change in treatment.  First, being a big,  
strong Warmblood, he had the disconcerting habit of getting on his foehand and  
becoming a freight train.  Second, he was prone to refusals that seemed to stem  
from a covert lack of honesty (Lucky's incredibly smart and athletic; he knows  
how to *take advantage* of his rider when the opportunity presents itself).

Well, after a hunting injury put him out of commission for 5 months, my trainer  
broguht the vet out to take a good, hard look at Lucky's problems.  They took a  
complete set of x-rays and found significant changes in the arthritis.  These  
changes prompted our vet to speculate that Lcuky's been on his forehand and  
refusing jumps to minimize discomfort behind, meaning it was time for a change  
in treatment.  The first thing he did was inject cortisone (sp?) directly into  
the hocks.  The second thing he did was eliminate the bute in favor of a  
medication (unfortunately, I don't recall the name off the top of my head) to  
dialate the blood vessels and improve circulation.

Now, I'm not sure if it was being banned from people for so long while out at  
pasture :-), or the treatment, but Lucky is much freer in his movements than he  
has been, he's been incredibly light in his dressage work, and is jumping  
quietly and contentedly with nary a hitch.  

Since I wasn't involved directly with the vet, I'm not aware of the "cost vs.  
benefit" of using this particular treatment (most medications have side effects  
and I know that cortisone injections are big decisions in people).  I describe  
this not as an endorsement, but as a line of questioning to take up with your  
vet re: Quest's arthritis.

Lastly, don't lose heart !  With the right help, you'll probably have many,  
many happy years of dressage ahead with Quest.

Liza Lyons
llyons@next.com   
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Subject: Re: Older horses, newer riders
Summary: older is better! 
Keywords:  old horses 
Reply-To: j_seymo@oz.plymouth.edu (Joyleen Seymour)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 02:26:37 GMT

   I heartily agree that older horses are wonderful for new riders.
When I was 14 years old, I was given a 16 year old quarter horse
thoroughbred cross named Cracker Jack.  I had been riding for 5 years,
but had never had any lessons.  I started out riding western on Jack,
who had been mostly ridden english.  then I started riding english, and
jumping.  Jack and I won many, many ribbons at local 4-H shows.  When I
went to school (Fulmer International School of Equitation) Jack started
learning dressage (at age 19!)  When I got back from getting my BHSAI in
England, Jack learned to event.  We competed at the Pre-training level,
and Jack placed frequently.  Then, when I started teaching, naturally I
used Jack, and a whole series of youngsters, (and not so youngsters)
went through their first dressage tests on the back of this old faithful
gelding.  When I quit teaching, I gave Jack to one of my students, who
used him in lessons (age 27 by now), and he continued to teach kids what
a round circle should feel like.  Jack is 32 years old this year, and
officially retired, although if I know him, he is probably making 20
meter circles in his pasture even now.  (Sniff, sniff, I miss the old
man.)

  My husband is learning to ride on a 21 year old appy gelding named
Roadrunner, who was sixth in the nation at the Pony Club dressage finals
a few years ago.  Roady has taught John much more than any young horse
would have, and puts up with John's fumbling more than any young horse
would.

  When I had school horses, most of them were "old enough to vote" as my
vet would say, and I would trust any of them with any rider at any time.

  I moved up from training level eventing to Prelim on a 16 year old
one-eyed former Olympic horse named Sinnerman.  He continued to event at
the Prelim level until he was 20.  He may even still be doing it now.
(Yeah Goat!)

  So, I guess you can tell how I feel about old horses.  I wouldn't
trade any of my old ones for a dozen young ones.  (Well, allright, maybe
a dozen, but only if they were well bred and could jump the moon!)

  joy  and John and Dovekey (who, at age 12 is finally starting to
settle down) and Roadrunner
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse keeping costs)
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:35:56 GMT
	<15240037@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> <1992Apr7.062205.809@desire.wright.edu>
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: sbishop@desire.wright.edu's message of 7 Apr 92 11:22:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.062205.809@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:

   In article <15240037@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM>, kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh) writes:
   > / hpspdla:rec.equestrian / fax0616@uoft02.utoledo.edu /  7:13 am  Apr  1, 1992 /
   > Leigh Casey writes:
   > 
   >   $68.75  25 bales of hay ($2.75 for alfalfa/clover/timothy mix)
   > 			   ^^^^^
   > I wish!! Our hay here in Northern CA runs at least 2.5 times that.
   > I don't suppose these are miniture bales either :-)
   > 
	   Now I am going to make you all feel bad, here in fertile green
   southwestern Ohio, I can get second and third cutting alfalfa, delivered
   and stacked in my barn for around $2.00 a bale.

PLEASE, folks, when you post prices like this, quantify what
constitutes a BALE in your area!!!  I know that a Northern California
(3-wire) bale of alfalfa weighs around 150 lb, and I know that a
Wyoming (2-string) bale of grass hay weighs around 50 lb, but I
haven't a clue as to what passes for a bale in Ohio.  What do they
weigh (or, equivalently, how many bales do you get when you buy a ton
of hay)?  It makes a heck of a difference in figuring costs!

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
From: 20676JAE@MSU
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: dressage saddles
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:10:16 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
>I have a De Kunfy -- the one with that weird mottled patterned leather
>that looks like buffalo hide (heck, it might BE buffalo hide).  It's a
>medium to deep seat with very little padding in the leg area.  It's short
>billets which I don't like and intend (one of these days) to change, but
>it sits me well on my particular horse.

You are the first person I have heard of that has  a De Knufy besides me.  I
bought the saddle a few months ago and haven't had much chance to use it yet,
but if fits my arabian mare very well (the one I bought has a wider tree than
normal (size 32)).  I have ridden in it about 6 times and like it a lot, but
like you, find the short billets a pain.  Please, tell me how long you have had
your saddle and how it wears over time. It seems to me that this saddle should
last forever based on how it's put together.  The dealer I bought the saddle
from said that the De Knufy is made by the same people as the Courbette saddles
and that they have essentially the same basic tree style.  I don't know what
else is different besides that.  I had never seen this make of saddle before
mine, it's good to know there's more out there.

                                      Jenn
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jerric@pdxgp3 (Jerri Chesney)
Subject: Name help please!          
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:15:13 GMT

I have purchased a pinto overo mare about two months ago and am going to 
register her but can't think of a great name.  Here is some information about
her which I hope will help someone give me the name I'm looking for.

She is a roan and white overo mare.  About 1/2 Saddlebred, 1/4 Arab, and 
1/4 quarter horse.  She is roan on her entire back and the top of her neck.
The lower part of her neck is white and her chest and legs are white.  Her
face is bald, she has blue eyes, and a medicine cap.  She has a long full black mane and forelock.
               

She is a love and a joy to own.  She is approx. 11 years old and mild tempered.
I had her bred to a Saddlebred Tobiono (?) a couple weeks ago and would like 
to register the foal, pinto, if the coloring permits of course. This will be
easier to do if the mare is registered.  I also plan on breeding my mare again,
so I may as well register her.  I will be registering my mare hardship as I know nothing of her heritage.                                       
                                                                 

My mare's barn name is Tinker Bell.  I have thought about changing this name
but she is Tinker to us now.  We drop the Bell, it is a little to much.

The name of our ranch is Silver Shoe Ranch.  I would like to have some part
of the ranch's name in Tinker's registered name. 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Also, I'm not sure as to where my postings are reaching, so please indicate
where you are from when responding.

Thanks for helping me post Linda.

Jerri
Silver Shoe Ranch
Pintos and Paints
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lori@lancelot.base.bellcore.com (Lori A. McGrail)
Subject: test
Reply-To: lori@lancelot.base.bellcore.com (Lori A. McGrail)
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:27:38 GMT

This is only a test.
From: Jo.A.Steele@dartmouth.edu (Jo A. Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: where are horse shows advertised?
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:13:17 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Apr15.165151.5252@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
bechtler@asdg.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler) writes:

> I don't own a horse but have always loved them.  I recently moved
> to Massachusetts, and I would like to find out when and where some
> horse shows are within 90 miles or so of Marlboro.  Do tack shops
> have bulletin boards with this type of announcement?  (Next
> question is where are the tack shops locally?)
> 
> I don't subscribe to anything horsey...and there probably isn't
> any one publication that covers all the shows, dressage, hunter/
> jumper, breed shows, county fairs.  
> 
> Any suggestions?  Thanks.

Probably the best all around source for shows and competitions in the
New England area is the Northeast Equine Journal, 312 Marlboro St.
Keen, NH 03431 (603)357-4271.  The articles are usually excellent and
it is the official publication for the following organizations:
Bay State Trail Riders Assoc, MA, Quarter Horse, Mustand & Burro
Organized Assistance, N.E. Miniaature Horse, NE Morgan, N.E. Welsh Pony
& Cob, NE Fjord , Silver Heels RIding Club, Vermont Horse Council and
Vermont Stockhorse Assoc.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horses and equestrian sports in Russia
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:52:48 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Apr15.133104.18176@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu>, kcumming@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Kitty Cummings) writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone know anyhting about horses and horse sports in Russia?  What
> breeds prevail there; what sports do they prefer; are horses used
> primarily for work, show, pleasure, etc?  
> 
> My father will be going to Russia in July for 2 weeks on business.  He's
> going to have some free time to meet people, explore the culture, etc.
> He'd really like to meet some folks there that share some common
> interests, namely horses (apps in particular - though I doubt there are
> any in Russia, and German Shepherds.)  We've already started to set up a
> visit to a police department in Moscow where they would show dad their
> working police GSDs (this is being set up via a contact through
> rec.pets.dogs).  Anyway, dad wants to see, learn, do as much as he can
> on this trip and is very excited about it.  If anyone has any info on
> the horse aspect - let me know as I know nothing about the state of
> equus in Russia.
> 
I'm fairly sure they don't have any appys, but they do raise some fine
Arabians.  The state of horses over there might be quite bad, since they
have traditionally been raised and bred by the State.

> Thanks for any tid-bits or other info. in advance :)
> 
> Kitty Cummings
> Kit-Mar Appaloosas
> Ritter Hof German Shepherds
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: dbc@sequent.com (David Cunningham)
Subject: Vet Seminar Portland Or.
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:14:59 GMT

The Oregon Draft Horse Breeders Assn.  is sponsoring a seminar
featuring Dr.  A.J.  Neumann, a very well known Iowa vet, Belgian
horse breeder and draft horse judge.  The seminar will be held this
weekend, April llth and 12th, at the Washington Co.  Fairplex just
west of Portland.  The cost is $50 per person, $70 for couples and $25
for 4-H, FFA and juniors.

The seminar topics will include basic conformation, horse psychology,
breeding, stallion, mare and foal care, fitting harness, insights into
draft horse judging and show and sale preparation.

Dr.  Neumann is a frequent contributor to many equine publications,
including the Draft Horse Journal.  Although the seminar will be
heavily focused on the draft horse, most of the information will apply
to all breeds.

If you are interested and would like more information please call
Ellen Cook 503-645-9573 , or you can email me as well.
From: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Barbara Roy)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Yippee! It's Spring!
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:00:00 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Just had let that out...

This week the weather has been beautiful for riding. Nigt and I have really
logged the miles this week. I've been taking long lunch hours (thanks boss!)
all week since the vet said that Nigt needed to be ridden at least an hour a
day after his surgery (gelded Saturday). He's doing great and we're both really
enjoying the outings. I can't begin to describe how wonderful it feels to be
riding a horse that is so totally responsive and willing after years of riding
poorly trained and sour horses. 

I've decided to break Nigt to drive as well, because he'd look gorgeous in front
of a cart and he's totally bomb-proof. Any suggestions on types of carts and 
harness that would be best or tips on suppliers would be helpful. Also would 
appreciate hints on best way to train a saddle-broke horse to harness. If anyone
knows of any used carts or harness for sale, let me know!

Barbara Roy, Weeg Computing Center, University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA. 52242
Meadowacres Arabians
Internet: broy@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu     Bitnet: broyva@uiamvs
Disclaimer: My opinions are solely my own and may change daily.
From: ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Inbreeding (was Impressives)
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:34:31 GMT
Organization: Redheads Anonymous


   From: BECKY@hcacad.holycross.edu
   Date: 1 Apr 92 14:56:50 GMT

   Correct me if I am wrong, and I am sure some of you will,
   that impressive syndrome sounds to me like there was a 
   little to much in breeding.

With pleasure.  Inbreeding is a powerful tool, which can be used for
good or ill, like most tools.  Inbreeding doesn't magically create bad
temperaments, sickly animals, or anything else.  It merely *intensifies*
traits already present, whether they are good or bad.

				AMBAR
From: rewald@scivax.stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: re: l-tryptophan
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:28:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article <1992Apr10.164458.1@happy.colorado.edu>, sandy@happy.colorado.edu writes:
> L-trypotophan is what you find in warm milk that makes you sleepy.  I have 
  used
> straight l-tryptophan and found that it worked very well.  Gateway Products
> makes this and it's a little cheaper than buying Cool and Calm.  However,
> tryptophan doesn't work on all horses all the time.  If you use Cool and Calm
> the best way to use it is to give 2 tubes (I know, that's expensive) on an
> empty stomach about 4 hours before you show.  I have used it my horses at
> National Western Stock Show as that place is a zoo and there are no decent 
  warm
> -up facilities (hopefully the new complex will take care of that problem).  I
> don't think it's dangerous to use tryptophan as it is a natural substance.
> Sandy Matthews			Sandy@happy.colorado.edu
> Sandmarc Appaloosas

I don't know if this translates from humans to horses, but a few years ago, 
there was a big deal about using L-tryptophan in large doses in people.
I do know that it's one of the amino acids, and people were taking it to 
combat stress and insomnia.  Unfortunately, there were some people of the
view "if some is good, lots more is lots better", who took really large 
quantities.  They either died or had severe metabolic problems (sorry, I can't
quite remember).  You used to be able to get it as an "over-the-counter" 
supplement, but now you can't.  (The people-formulation, that is.)
Anyway, I think I'd look at some clinical books or talk to a vet or two before 
I started using it regularly.  
                                         Rosalie
From: STERBANK@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: BOARD IN CLEVELAND?
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:49:15 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

HI. My name is Kathy and I ride with the Miami University Equestrian Team. I
have the opportunity to lease a horse for the summer, but I need to keep him
at a place where I can work for the board. I  live on the east side of Cleve-
land (Lyndhurst).  If anyone has any information, I would really appreciate a
note.  Thanks a lot.
 
                    Kathy
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mlr21@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Name help please!          
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:32:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.151513.13087@ichips.intel.com>, jerric@pdxgp3 (Jerri Chesney) writes:
|> I have purchased a pinto overo mare about two months ago and am going to 
|> register her but can't think of a great name.  Here is some information about
|> her which I hope will help someone give me the name I'm looking for.
|> 
|> She is a roan and white overo mare.  About 1/2 Saddlebred, 1/4 Arab, and 
|> 1/4 quarter horse.  She is roan on her entire back and the top of her neck.
|> The lower part of her neck is white and her chest and legs are white.  Her
|> face is bald, she has blue eyes, and a medicine cap.  She has a long full black mane and forelock.
|>                
|> 
|> She is a love and a joy to own.  She is approx. 11 years old and mild tempered.
|> I had her bred to a Saddlebred Tobiono (?) a couple weeks ago and would like 
|> to register the foal, pinto, if the coloring permits of course. This will be
|> easier to do if the mare is registered.  I also plan on breeding my mare again,
|> so I may as well register her.  I will be registering my mare hardship as I know nothing of her heritage.                                       
|>                                                                  
|> 
|> My mare's barn name is Tinker Bell.  I have thought about changing this name
|> but she is Tinker to us now.  We drop the Bell, it is a little to much.
|> 
|> The name of our ranch is Silver Shoe Ranch.  I would like to have some part
|> of the ranch's name in Tinker's registered name. 
|> 
|> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
|> Also, I'm not sure as to where my postings are reaching, so please indicate
|> where you are from when responding.
|> 
|> Thanks for helping me post Linda.
|> 
|> Jerri
|> Silver Shoe Ranch
|> Pintos and Paints

I tried sending you mail but it didn't work.  Anyway, here's my suggestion:

Silver Belle	

--Mary Lee
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: ahb@genome.Stanford.EDU (Ann Benninger)
Subject: need info re: stables in East Bay
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 19:28:48 GMT

I need advice and information about barns in the East Bay.  A job
change in the family means we need to move to an area that's within
commute distance to Berkeley and So. San Francisco and where ever 
my horse will live, too.  

I plan to look at stables between Hayward and Berkeley, especially 
in the Oakland Hills.

	Should I look elsewhere, too?

Some less geographic issues:

	We do Combined Training.  I'm not familiar with the CT 
	trainers in that area.  Are there any CT barns?

	I'd prefer a place where he can have turnout in addition
	to a stall. 

	Are there any places with lighted all-weather arenas? 

	It's important to me to find a place that provides good 
	care (e.g.: high quality feed, they'll notice if he's 
	sick, etc.).

	I have a truck/trailer so don't HAVE to have a cross 
	country course within riding distance, but I appreciate
	being close to one now.

Any recommendations for places to visit (and places to avoid) ?

Thanks!

 - Ann 

	phone: (415) 266-1285 
	Internet: ahb@genie.gene.com
From: sue@aeshq.UUCP (Susan Grocott)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: arthritic hock  (long)
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:20:53 GMT
Reply-To: sue@aeshq.UUCP (Sue Grocott)
Organization: AES Headquarters, Environment Canada, Toronto, Canada

In article <1992Apr5.223716.15736@pbs.org> mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser) writes:
>
>I just had some rather distressing news from my vet.  Quest has arthritis in his
>right hock (we only x-rayed the right, though I guess maybe it is in both).
>
>Has anyone else had experience with this?  Any info would be greatly
>appreciated.
>

Well guys, I posted a similar note to this almost 2 years ago.  I got lots of
response from you, and have taken the liberty of forwarding those responses to
Melanie - I *really* hope no-one minds :-)

I thought I should probably let you know who I quoted (let me know if you need
to know what it was you said :-).  So, many thanks to....

: regard@hpsdde.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
: springer@khonshu.colorado.edu (Jann Springer)
: RA04@Lehigh
: bobk@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Robert Kinne)
: sylvia@hplvli.HP.COM (Sylvia Budak)
: marsh@clarinet.cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
: lmn00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Linda Newell)
: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman)


	Sue Grocott
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian