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From: pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden)
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:22:33 GMT


>       It's not a matter of your opinion, Dave, or the opinion of the
>FSU AD about the appropriateness of the name. It is a matter of the
>Indians' opinion. Although I will bow to your claim that "Fighting
>Irish" is inherently offensive. Then again I'm about half Irish
>myself -- so I'll just say: "I object!!!!!!"
>       I used to have an opinion close to yours but I have reformed.
>There is absolutely no defense for "Redskins" and damned little for
>"Seminole", if the Seminoles object.

>                                               soONEr born!!!,
>                                               (and still missing
>                                                Little Red!!!!)
>                                                       --Sid
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  The only people I see protesting it are LOSERS (look at their agenda).
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From: mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie)
Subject: Re: A PAC-10 fan in depression
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 17:05:27 GMT

jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:

>                       and USC was crushed by Fresno State (although I have
>to say that I was kind of glad to see this one, after hearing about the 
>comments made by USC players and coaches before the game).  

I'm sure that I'm not the only FSU fan *pissed* at the way the firing
of U$C's head coach is being discussed in the media.  A loss to lowly
FSU in a bowl game? *gasp*  Who could imagine? No WONDER he got bagged!

Puh-leeeze.


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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Fiesta Bowl Buffalo Brouhaha (was: Re:
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:43:42 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 22DEC199210252158@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov, acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>In article <1992Dec21.215122.12038@den.mmc.com>, kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes...
>>A real brouhaha brewing at the Fiesta Bowl is the attempt by the bowl to
>>keep Colorado's famous mascot Ralphie from doing her traditional romp
>>around the field before each half starts.  So far, one official has
>>claimed that it's an issue of public safety, saying [and I paraphrase]
>>"just one wrong turn and it could be a very dangerous situation."
>
>Safety, as usual, is just an excuse.
>
>>Others have apparently raised the question of whether the natural field
>>at Arizona State's field would be damaged.
>
>The real reason they're worried about it is that they just spent a Ton of 
>Money to put in one of those high tech, heated/refrigerated, drained/
>irrigated fields (Precision Athletic Turf, is it called?), and they don't 
>want their investment damaged.
>
>Has Ralphie ever tromped over one of those kinds of fields?  Are his hooves 
>really any tougher on the grass than 3 hours of cleats and facemasks 
>churning up the turf?  For my money, if the PAT designers didn't consider 
>such things as the presence of livestock when they designed their system, 
>then it's worth less than the dirt it replaces.

I'm pretty sure Florida State has one of those new fangled fields and they
never seem to lose any sleep over Chief Osceola and Renegade romping across
the field for the spear planting at midfield.  Now Ralphie (TM, Colorado)
might weigh a bit more than a horse and rider, but surely not that much more.
I don't think our turf is ever the worse for wear.

For you other Noles fans out there, this brings up a nagging question I have
had for awhile.  If Florida State goes to the Sugar Bowl again in the future
and by chance is asked to bring Chief Osceola and Renegade for TV publicity like
the Blockbuster Bowl did a few years ago (much to JoePA's dismay), how will they
do the spear toss at midfield with artificial turf?  Put a suction cup on the end
of the spear?

D. Head
GO 'NOLES!!!

>
>R Dendy
>
From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: UN: Bowls, ND, FSU
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:05:00 GMT
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Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

During the Stanford-Penn State game the announcers mentioned that
Bill Walsh had given a scholarship to a placekicker. Hmm. 

I wonder if Bobby Bowden might learn something there.


(I know you don't have enough scholarships Bobby, but if you find an
outstanding kicker he can start for all four of his scholarship years.
Many of your players receieve scholarships for five years and are
lucky to start for two of those.)


Congratulations to Notre Dame for being able to run the football down
the throat of a tough Texas A&M defense. Still, someone should have
questioned Holtz when he boasted that they were playing the best
football of anyone in the last five games. (Why did NBC send Dockery
to Miami?)

Yes Lou, you did play five straight games versus ranked teams, but let
us look at those teams now. 

1) You ran up the score on BC. Big deal, the Eagles only win in their
last four games was versus Army, and they weren't competitive versus
Syracuse, or Tennesee either.

2) 7-5 Penn State won't be ranked in any other poll besides Sagarin's, 
   and needed to last gasp plays to beat them at home. BYU, and Stanford
    convincingly beat the Lions in the same time period.

3) 6-5-1 USC lost four of their last five. Notre Dame let that game
   come down to last minute as well.

4) 12-1 Texas A&M - ND's one big accomplishment. Does that mean you are
playing better than anyone else???  There are some other teams that
have had some big wins as well. (Alabama, FSU, Stanford)
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From:  (Brad Snyder)
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME IS THE GREATEST
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Loral - WDL
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:24:08 GMT


Take a good look.        ..one reason why ND is not the               
greatest...................................................STANFORD!!!

And don't give me the cry baby story of how they had to study that week....

my ass........Stanford had to study and take a plane to hell indiana to
play them..........plus most Football players take cake majors and get
special treatment (tutors, make-up tests etc.)......


........STANFORD beat them and Holtz is a cry baby about it....

 
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Kansas Help Needed!!!
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:01:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.075053@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec21.114453.62201@cc.usu.edu>, sl45z@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>	You can bet I won't miss a down of the Aloha Bowl on Christmas Day.  It
>>should be a good one.  This is where I, and I speak for a lot of Y fans, need
>>some help.
>>	Who is Kansas?  This is no Woof or Flame.  
>
>First those east coasters who can't see past the App.Mtns, we now
>have west coasters who can't see east of the RockyMtns.   Kansas is
>that puny flat state that has wheat, tornadoes and the Wizard of Oz.
>
>KU is very descent on defense, minus the Nebraska game.  Their line
>is strong lead by Stubblefield in the middle.  If they can't pressure
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Great Name for a defensive lineman!!!  Does he shave before games?


>the QB, they can get burned.  Offense is a take what the defense gives.
>Hilleary is an adequate passer, excellent scrambler.  Eichloff is
>a great place kicker and a respectable punter.
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Congrats to Notre Dame, and comments
Date: 2 Jan 1993 17:17:43 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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  Well, I hate to have to say it, but the Irish beat A&M soundly in this
year's Cotton Bowl.  They did it with defense and a killer ball-control
offense.  I would also like to blame Bob Toledo, A&M offensive coordinator,
for continually calling plays that would not work.  Every time he tried to
have Rodney Thomas run outside, he was nailed for no gain or a big loss.  When
he ran inside, he could gain some good yardage.  But each good play was 
promptly nullified by an outside run, it seemed like to me.  The Notre Dame
defense was all over us, it seemed.  Where were the play-action passes?  We
needed to open up the offense a little to win this game, but they stuck with
the same old conservative gameplan.

  I think the suspensions hurt, not having Greg Hill in there to help confuse
the defense, and maybe those extra linemen and the receiver would have helped
to.  Nevertheless, Notre Dame played a very spirited game, and deserves much
credit.  Congratulations.

  Well, on to next year.  With 16-17 returning starters, A&M should be in good
shape for another try for the title.  And I'm calling on our SWC brethren to
keep getting better so other conferences will know we play tough schedules.
And I hope John David Crow gets us some more respected out-of-conference 
opponents.  I think that lack hurt us at the end.

  The PAC-10 looked awful in the bowls.  2-4.  And way to go Baylor!  Nice to
see Teaff go out a winner.

  And Alabama -- I only gave them a slim chance against Miami (along with most
folks, I expect).  Nice job.  Nice to see the blohards finally get a spanking.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Enormous Eleven QB woofing
Organization: University of Michigan
	<BILLMS.92Nov30102037@gip.eecs.umich.edu>
	<1992Nov30.171051.5932@desire.wright.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:02:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov30.171051.5932@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:

	   It would have been nice if he could have led his team to victory
   against at least one ranked opponent, or even a team with a winning record. 
   It's not too hard to rack up numbers against lessor teams.  He certainly wasn't
   on his way to a career day against OSU when he was knocked out.  He looked
   awful.
	   Grbac looks good nationally because there simply aren't any great QBs
   this year.
	   Last time I checked he wasn't stomping Herbstreit.  But then the grass
   was "damp".
   :)

   Brett


So what was your lame excuse for his ranking last year, Brett?  Did all the
other qbs suck then too?

Bill






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From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Score of Freedom Bowl
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:15:50 GMT

Does anyone have the score of the Freedom Bowl played last night?  The
East Coast papers don't have it yet.  Please reply either directly to
this post or to the address below.

Dave

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From: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cougars Copper Bowl V
Date: 1 Jan 93 17:37:00 GMT
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Organization: The Brentwood BBS Harrison, NY  914-835-7898
Reply-To: al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) 

In my opinion the blown extra point by the Utah kicker cost them a
good chance to win, and was therefore more significant than the
missed chip shot field goal to tie.


Had the XP point not been blown, Utah would not have needed to use
that beautiful miss direction pass for the two point conversion to
make it 28-28.

That play could have been saved fpor later, namely
when they had 3rd and goal from the five with two minutes remaining!
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From: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones)
Subject: One Year Starters and the Heisman was (Re: Reggie Brooks deserves )
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:59:18 GMT

In article <BILLMS.92Dec22164745@gip.eecs.umich.edu>, billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes...
>In article <1992Nov30.194417.7299@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Karl C Schudt) writes:
> 
>   Reggie is that he has truly come out of nowhere to be the best running back in 
>   the country (highest yards per carry, 8.09) A year or two ago, he was a 
>   defensive back!
> 
>Reggie is a great back.  Reggie isn't the best back in the country.  Reggie
>isn't the best rb in his own backfield.  Should still be a top pick, though.
> 
>	Coming out of nowhere is hard to do. Have any other one year starters at
>   a position won a Heisman?
> 
>Last year, Desmond Howard came from pretty close to nowhere.  Barry Sanders
>started one year, the year he won.  Andre Ware wasn't a star comming into his
>year.  The line about not being known at the start of the year doesn't cut
>it.  
> 
>Bill
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>	billms@eecs.umich.edu
If you go back to 1964 John Huarte at Notre Dame came from not lettering to 
winning the Heisman. Of course it helped to finally have a coach.
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From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel)
Subject: Re: Protest over FSU Mascot
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:36:36 GMT

pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden) writes:

>  The only people I see protesting it are LOSERS (look at their agenda).

	Well, as mostly a white person I seem to be on the winning
side against the red folks. (Of course, as 1/16th Tsa-la-gi, I did
lose pretty big.) Or are you referring to OU vs. FSU? Well, the
Sooners have won 3 out of 4 there, including two in the Orange Bowl.
OU has been beaten up pretty bad by the NCAA recently, but, of course,
they deserved that. I know that thanks to the excellent Dallas Morning
News reporting of all connected events. 
	I guess I don't agree that anyone standing up for the
downtrodden in the US is a loser. I'm quite proud to do or speak what
I can for people without a voice. If you think that is losing, I feel
sorry for you and suspect that, if you are old enough, you voted
Republican or something more backward!! I guess that would make you
the loser.
					soONEr born!!!
					(i.e. born in the "land
					 of the red man"!!)
					           --Sid
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From: pjs1@cec2.wustl.edu (Philip John Schielke)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl comments
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:56:48 GMT

In article <1i5hdsINNdie@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
>I was rooting for Miami in this game (mostly because one of my friends was
>going for Alabama).  For most of the season, I have been a Miami supporter, but

Interesting, I have never really been a 'Bama fan until Stallings got there.
What a class act.  Just goes to show that you can be good without being cocky,
constantly arrogant, refusing to shake oppsing team captain's hands, taunting
opposing team's fans, etc., etc.  Miama (minus Erickson) is the cockiest bunch
of "players" I've seen.  I was glad to see them get their butts kicked.

>
>1) To say that Torretta stunk would be an understatement.  He missed wide open
>   receivers.  He didn't move around well.  He threw interceptions that were

Yeah, he was rattled, and I don't think he has ever moved around well.  He
won't go very high in the draft I would guess.  I think a lot of Miami's success
has to be attributed to their talented and athletic receivers.

>2) I don't know who was doing the play calling, but it was not good.  I thought
>   the running game was abandoned much too early.  There should have been more

Maybe, but give credit to the Bama defense.  They stuffed the run and the
secondary played great too.  Looked like somebody was watching a lot of Miama
offense film.

>3) Alabama showed strength in all pats of the game, with the notable exception
>   of a passing game.  I thought Miami should have overplayed the Alabama's
>   running game.  Jay Barker did not impress me as a QB at all.  He should have
>   been dared to throw the ball.  Of course, I must admit that the was the
>   first time that I have seen Alabama play all year.  Barker might be a good
>   passer, but he didn't show it in this game (of course, he didn't have to
>   with the way running backs were running over the Miami line).

I got terrified every time Barker stepped back to pass.  Not a pretty sight.
Fortunately, as you said, he didn't need to be able to pass.

As you may have been able to tell I am NOT a Miama fan, but I must admit they
have a great football team, and have been THE college football team for the past
7 or 8 years, and probably will continue to be strong.
p.s.  I like Erickson
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Fiesta Bowl Buffalo Brouhaha (was: Re: Big East Bowl Preview)
Keywords: Ralphie
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:18:33 GMT
Organization: Buffalo Stampede

In article <1992Dec22.160129.19105@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
>I don't think it's a wrong "turn" they're worried about, at least not
>by the buffalo.  What they're worried about is a wrong turn by a bowl
>official stepping in some, errr, let's say, evidence that Ralphie had
>been there.  Do the trainers have a buffalo-pooper-scooper for such
>emergencies?  I know at UT they just let the cow crap all over the
>field :) :)

Fortunately for the grounds crew, Ralphie doesn't graze the field, she
hangs out in her trailer while she waits to run.  That would require one
monster-sized scooper.

The closest I got to Ralphie was at the block party on the Hill
celebrating the start of CU's 100th season of football, before the '89
Labor Day opener against Texas.  She was in this portable pen, and what
I remember most is how narrow she was for her incredible mass (I think
it helps them stand into the winter winds), and how people's dogs were
just terrified of her (smell, I think).

>Should make the grass grow a little better, don't you think?

:-)
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From: rownd@moby.micro.umn.edu (Brooks Kerry Rownd)
Subject: Re: WAC vs. PAC10 Bowl Day
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:58:02 GMT

>COPPER BOWL: Wash St 31  Utah 28
>
>The Cougars were lucky to escape with a victory. Utah had 1st & goal 
>at the 5 yd line with 4 mins to go, and couldn't score on 3 downs. I still
>don't understand why Utah coach McBride didn't go for the TD (and the win)
>on 4th and 4 with 3 mins to go. Instead, he opted for a tying FG which 
>was missed. WSU got the ball back on the 20 yd line and ran out the clock 
>on them. If he had gone for the TD and missed, WSU is deep in its own 
>territory and would have had a tougher time picking up 1st downs and
>running out the clock. A tie in a bowl game is meaningless.

	Yes, this puzzles me too.  Utah had nothing to lose and
	everything to gain by going for it.  I can see them kicking 
	it from the 25, but NOT from the 4!  When I heard they
	were inside the ten I thought for sure they'd win, but 
	the coaches made a BAD call and threw (kicked) it away...
	They didn't NEED to win this game like WSU did, so going
	for the tie was just throwing away their comeback.
	When you're 4 yards from the win and own the momentum
	with NOTHING (no ranking) but the game on the line, you
	just DON"T(!!!) throw away the opportunity!!!  All that
	work and go for a tie?  Am I missing something here?

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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:46:30 GMT

In article <BzoKv0.Is4@encore.com>
jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett) writes:
> I wouldn't call Vinny a washout.  Vinny is still a starter in the NFL,
> and makes lots of big $$$.   Archie Manning was one of the best QB's
> in his time, but got stuck on a bad team in his day. Tampa Bay Bucks
> has a problem in team management.  Even the best QB can't win the game
> by himself, but he sure can lose one quick.  Any QB that has started
> in the NFL for any team more than three years is not a washout.   How
> many years did Heisman Steve Spurrer start in the NFL.  How many
> Gators QB ever played a full season in the NFL.

It would seem that winning the Heisman and NFL viability have little
in common.  After all, some of the most successful quarterbacks (Starr,
Namath, Stabler) in the NFL came from Bama, and yet not a single Bama
player ever won the Heisman.  The most important factors involved in
winning the Heisman seem to be having a good PR campaign and having a
couple of blowhard TV commentators on your side.

> Now the Canes will have a Heisman in the locker room, to make them
> play their best.  The strong grow stornger. 

Tradition serves that roll for Alabama.  Perhaps Miama can substitute
a trophy for tradition. :-)

> DA CANES, DA BEST DA EVER WAS......
  ^^        ^^      ^^
Obviously a product of the UM English department. :-)

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