HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: timf@microsoft.com (Tim Fleehart)
Subject: Re: Questions, questions
Date: 11 Aug 92 15:44:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <BsF7HF.HnI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:
>Depends on how you define "organized" I think. There are/were groups
>of "satanists" that were interested in human sacrifice and other
>cheerful things and actually accomplished such goals. 

How many victims of satanic sacrifice can you document?  How many victims of
the crusades?

>So, what's yer point? There are few violent crimes (these days) that
>can be positively linked to Christianity also.

"these days"... Historically however, christianity has been one of the
bloodiest religions.  You don't get a loan based on whether you paid your
bills this month, but on your history...

Tim
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dart the Witchling)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: xians here
Date: 16 Aug 92 09:11:58 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Aug14.223401.1510@ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN) writes:
>
>Thanks for dispelling the CURSE OF GREYFACE {gobbelgobblegobblegobble}.
>(for those who know not of the curse of greyface I say; FNORD!)
	
	fnords: fnord fnord fnord fnord fnord fnord fnord fnord
>
>My hovercraft is full of eels

	then watch out for the whipped cream and/or floursecent chickens,
but not tomorrow.
>
>-Scott (official POPE of the Daniel Shay Kabal; defender of discord; 
>member of the Bavarian Motorcycle Conspiracy and official citizen of
>Chicopee Massachusetts)

	DODGER (or, politically sorrect, DODGE-PERSON)
	heh. politically correct.  Now THERE'S a discordian phrase if i
ever heard one.
	official high priest and founder of the SkyGlow tradition (dedicated to
twilight ritual cause its neater than day or just regular night.)
	POPE of both the Bill The Cat Coven AND the Flaming Ziggurat Cabbal
	Fundamentalist Stimpian ("Find the Stimpy within")

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Re: What does it all mean?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:16:42 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <16c1mnINN7qf@network.ucsd.edu> crys@ucsd.edu (Crys Harris) writes:
>In article <16901vINNamd@satan.ucsd.edu>, andy@satan.ucsd.edu ({Vigor Mortis}) writes:
>> [Stuff read but deleted in interest of time]

>
>   I believe this is what I was requested a few days ago when I posted to this 
>   newsgroup and all I got for my trouble was a host of flames waiting for me
>		 in my mail box the next day.  What would satanists like to venture forth
>   as an adequate definition of satanism?  How is it different from anti-
>   Christianity?  What roles do satan, magick, personal powers, and disaffection
>   with Christianity play in these beliefs?  What are the guidelines, beliefs,
>   rules, goals, desires of the satanist?  What role does the media play, in
>   your opinions, in the public's negative interpretation of satanists.  How
>   true is all of that?  Is the objective of satanism, in general, to be, or
>   appear negative?  There are questions that I am curious about, but I would
>   like to hear the answers from real people rather than some dated book, or 
>   some crazed, wild-eyed zealot, be they Christian or Satanist.
>
Great questions... I'm sick of answering them. Ray; we need a FAQ!!!!!!!
This newsgroup isn't meant to be a question/ answer session (although its
turning into one) for the uninitiated (imho). Nearly everything you ask about 
can be found in the S. Bible. The answers would be broadly similar to what you
would get from "real people" such as Ray Rich, Reuben Radding, and myself. The 
book isn't dated & its quite clear in its statements. Someday We'll have a FAQ
& you won't have to go through the trouble of doing your own research into the 
subject....(like nearly everyone else I know)...
-Scott


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From: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:07:35 GMT
Reply-To: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com
Organization: Prickly Wombat Enterprises


A quick look at the header shows that this was again posted by the
Berzerkeley news daemon. Judging from the "return address", I would
guess that the first address that we got (the Compuserve one) is the
real one, and after receiving much mail at some personal expense
the perpetrator found out how to forge some of the header.

A quick nslookup shows no west.darkside.com known by BIND.

Given that, the proper place to send replies is probably still the
70253.261@compuserve.com one.

Of course, I could be wrong B^{)>.

We should probably keep an eye out and try to pin down where this stuff
is coming from before we ebomb them.

( I note, with some amusement, that alt.sex has shown up in the newsgroups
list after my comment at its abscence... coincidence? Well, they didn't add
alt.mythology, so maybe so... B^{)> Of course, you'd think that they'd figure
out that alt.religion.emacs isn't the sort of group they're interested in--
I guess that they're not too bright, which of course we already knew. B^{)> )
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From: D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: When I die?
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:08:41 GMT

This is a response to Susan and Chris Colvin:

   Let me say first that I am not a "satanist." As far as I can tell,
a good portion of satanists (not the psychopathic teens who watch far
too many horror movies) do not believe in supreme beings (God, Devil)
period. Many satanists are 'social darwinists' who believe that nature
should simply be allowed to take its course. , i.e. survival of the
fittest. 

    When Boyd Rice, a satanist and musician, was asked the question,
"Where will you go when you die?" he replied,
"The way of all flesh OII suppose." meaning that he doesn't believe
inb  an immortal soul. Man is an animal. Do animals have immortal 
souls? The concept of an immortal soul seems to be an extension
of man's (an animal) will to survive. Because we have consciousness,
we tend to push thing     imagine these things. We try to impose meaning on a 
seemingly meaningless world. But that's not to say that life cannot
have meaning without a belief in an immortal soul and/or belief
in the Judeo-Christian God. Many Christians , sadly, say their lives
would have NO MEANING WHATSOEVER if they discovered "God" didn't
exist. Some Christians I've spoken with have told me they'd have
nothing to live for if such a thing were true, and that they'd
commit suicide. 

   I'm not a Christian. I'm an agnostic. And I suppose many satanists
are agnostic as well, or atheists.

     Pax,

     
     L Lux,

             Dana
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From: ricegm@ecf.toronto.edu (George Matthew Rice)
Subject: Re: Subject?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:52:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.155936.14061@ncsu.edu> cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:
>
>>>Jesus Saves
>
>>Gretzgy Steals, He shoots, He SCORES!
>
>Johnson with the board, down court, drives the lane, no look pass to Worthy
>with The DUNK!

Gee guys 'n' gals. I would just like to say that this is the very
best thread that I have seen in this newsgroup so far.
And it is so topical.

Matthew
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Survey
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:25:35 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <920817044611_70253.2621_CHC74-1@CompuServe.COM> 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris & Susan Colvin) writes:

>When you die, where will you go?  (in the ground is not a valid answer)

	I don't know.  I'm not dead.  What;s the point of worrying about it?

>
>If you were to die today, would you go to heaven?

	That depends.  Whare is Heaven?  Whose belief system do you subscribe
to?  Do you subscribe to one?
	I don't know, I'm not dead.  What's the point of worrying about it?

>
>If you were to die today and God asked you, "Why should I let you into my
>heaven?" What would you say?

	That depends on WHICH god, what tone of voice he took, and a lot of 
other things.  I get the feeling there just MIGHT be a lot more bandwidth in
communication with deity.
	Maybe I'd say (if there wasn't, and you meant the xtian omnipotent god)
that a) he shoudln't, I have better things to do with an eternity than play
church music on a bloody harp.  or b) He's GOD, he's supposed to know everything
why doesn't he tell me?

>
>What is my "agenda" for asking these questions?  Just curious.
>
	This last sounds like a personal problem to me.
	Why are we supposed to know your agenda?

				DODGER 
				(rearrange it and you get RED GOD)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 03:50:58 GMT
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm

In article <FeosPB2w176w@west.darkside.com> safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin) writes:
>Jesus Saves

Moses invests.
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: I Question this Institution
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:59:24 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

1.  Suppose that god does not exist and that all religions are the creations
	of men.
2.  #2 is unnecessary.

	Therefore, by human logic, it is plausible that creators of said
religions will claim theirs is the truth and that all others are lies.  Thus,
their chief adversary will be the source of such lies.  He shall be attributed
with the characteristics of other deities to further the attack.
	Does your religion fit this model?  If so, it may be time to probe into
the whys of your religious beliefs in the context of its originators and not
your god.

					Raymond H. Rich
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From: casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:39:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1992Aug23.013912.19393
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Aug22.220103.13192@samba.oit.unc.edu> Steve.Gross@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Steve Gross) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.022459.11564@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jon@Turing.ORG (Jon Gefaell (KD4CQY)) writes:
>>In article <FeosPB2w176w@west.darkside.com> safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin) writes:
>
>
>>>Jesus Saves
>>
>>Gretzgy Steals, He shoots, He SCORES!
>
>
>HAHAHAHA!  Classic.  I think that you missed the meaning though.
>(sfg)
>
I doubt it.
Paul
Maiden Bless


-- 
                          * * * * * * *
"It is possible to join forces, to identify common goals, and to agree on
 common action." - U.N. World Commission on Development and Environment
		       casspa@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Re: Some notes from the Satanic Bible
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:21:11 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Aug13.145045.25847@cs.mun.ca> brian@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet) writes:
>"Ask any repeat rapist if he has a compultion???
>ooookkkkaaayyyy
>Sure ask any jew if he is Jewish, see every one is jewish..

I don't see the connexion here

>Ask any one time rapist the same question...
>and the results will be different.

>Maybe rapists find nothing wrong with it, like it
>and think they won't get caught 
>[I donno, maybe]
>How many people [due to Xian restritions] would
>like to rape and don't...

Ahem, also Human law, Satanic restrictions, Bhuddist restrictions... The
only time it seems to be O.K. in any human society is during a war...

>Then again it aint rape, it's interpersonal assertiveness
>
>Hey why cna't rapists define their own term....
>who cares about others..

I know, I know... P.C. doublespeak is pervasive on campus, in the workplace
and Govornment (African-Americans indeed). I agree that its stupid & self
defeating. Also (I think you're commenting on this too), the big "victim"
thing;we blame everyone & everything for our troubles these days. How
often do you hear the excuses,"disfunctional family", "adult children of 
alcoholics"(note the children in this phrase),"minority", and it seems
like EVERYONE has been "sexually abused". Was it so traumatic to get your
diapers changed when you were a baby (sure there are some cases where sex
abuse happens; but latest polls suggest that up to 50% of al people have
been "abused"-what rubbish!).
All this crap seeks to take the blame for your misfortunes from where it
belongs!
Now a philosiphy like satanism makes one responsible for what happens in
ones life. No blaming your parents, society, babysitter or anyone else
you just have to make your life better without all the whining & 
psychobabble.

Incidentally I don't see the connexion between the P.C.speak and calling
Satanism Satanism. I doubt any P.C. speaker would call an orthodox Satanist
a Satanist; She (or he[eheheheh]) would probobly call a Satanist a "Post
pagan anarcho-atheistic realist" or some such inoffensive gobbledeegook.

>Wow 2 spelling and one typo mistake...
>cool I am improving:)
agreed-I count 1 spelling error & much grammatical liberty on my part
>I FLEX IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!!! :)
I POST IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION
>VOLCANO
>
-Scott


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From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Subject: Re: Subject?
Originator: cmgrawbu@c00414-313mn.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:59:36 GMT


>>Jesus Saves

>Gretzgy Steals, He shoots, He SCORES!

Johnson with the board, down court, drives the lane, no look pass to Worthy
with The DUNK!
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
From: st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen)
Subject: Re: Subject?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:02:00 GMT

In article <FeosPB2w176w@west.darkside.com>, safecrac@west.darkside.com (Chris Colvin) writes...
>Jesus Saves
(By using double coupons and shopping wisely.)
---
Stephen McLeod
The Eternal? Student
From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: FAQ?
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:10:28 GMT
Organization: Doc Porter's Thrills Show

In <714232979.890000.D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU> D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby) writes:


> Is there a satanism or Church of Satan FAQ on-line? If not, is
>anyone working on one?
> 
>   


ME! ME!

I've been working on one for a few days and should be ready to post
a draft of it sometime this weekend. . .

Will this enable us to stop going over and over the same old shit?

Probably not.

-R

-- 
================================================================
|  Reuben Radding         rdr@panix.com       cmcl2!panix!rdr  |
|==============================================================|
| ******************* Marrou / Lord in 1992 ****************** | 
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From: bigham@acpub.duke.edu (Scott Bigham)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.atheism,soc.motss,sci.physics,alt.religion.emacs,talk.religion.newage,alt.pagan,alt.sex,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Subject?
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:52:40 GMT
Followup-To: alt.satanism
Organization: n. Arrangement in an orderly or logical fashion.  See "miracle".

From the Holy Book of <BtCpzu.7n3@ecf.toronto.edu>
  as spake by ricegm@ecf.toronto.edu (George Matthew Rice) :
>Gee guys 'n' gals. I would just like to say that this is the very
>best thread that I have seen in this newsgroup so far.
>And it is so topical.

Depends.  Which group are you following it from?

						-sbigham
-- 
Scott Bigham                   | "This is our path; to fight or die."
bigham@hercules.acpub.duke.edu | "That's what we're paid for, so let's
                               |     do it with some _style_!"
                               |                Dr. Who, "Battlefield"
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dart the Witchling)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Satan
Date: 16 Aug 92 09:30:33 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Aug10.120944.22715@cs.mun.ca> brian@odie.cs.mun.ca (Brian Paquet) writes:
>
> I have seen this we are satanist but don't worship satan thing
>Facts are By definition a satanist worships or at least
>follows the tenits of satan..

	No they don't.  Not any more than "By definition a Christian worships
or at least follows the tenets of Christ."  Except, of course, for the basic,
intrinsic difference that Satanists don't CLAIM to, which i find to be a 
quite satisfying nose-thumbing at the HypoCristians, as their mythology and
the fact that they tend to make the same "by definition" mistake you did
tends to make them believe Satanists are followers of the Father of Lies, but
are honest and straightforward in what they believe and think, while getting
a straight, honest answer out of a cat is an easier task than the same from
a christian.  And please don't give me the "Well, they're not REAL Christians."
crap. It gets old after the 73000th time.  At least pagans and satanists 
admit that something can be interpreted several different ways.
:)  <----- smiley.  Makes whatever I say "OK"
>
>But then again why should you care what other people think right

	I care what they think when they get in the way as a result of it.

>
>Sounds good, it pisses people off which is a good goal.
>So when I get my PhD in military history I will
>call myself an economist [claiming that I am studingthe
>utilization of militarty resorces] 
>And then I will get the libertarian party to change their
>name to the red shoe party [well they advocate that people
>should wear any colour shoe they want...]

	What?
>
>I know it's representitive and all but still
>I don't buy it, For those who don't
>worship the most bodatious satan to call themselves satan
>reminds me of those poly correct types insisting on
>calling blacks afro americans [what your from Lybia too bad sucker]
	
	Lucifer means "light bringer" if i am correct.  Ideas are symbolized,
in cartoons (sacred works before 1970), by lightbulbs.  This shows thought.
Obviously you don't worship anything resembling a "bringer of light" does
that mean you don't worship Lucifer?  Or do you get all your philosophy and
religious concepts from the lyrics you scratched down while listening to the
Randy Rhoades Tribute album?  If the latter, you are missing out.  You should
try Daffy Duck (the BLACK one, not the blue one.)  Or try this.  Get some in-
version boots, hook them up, and begin sleeping upside down.  If your head does not explode, you are illuminated!  Imagine!
>
>I FLEX IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION!!! :)

	Why?  Are you too sexy for my cat?
>VOLCANO

	No.  Volcanoes spew lava, not refuse.
>
>[geez I guess I will get ripped apart again:(]
	
	Good guess.

	DODGER
	"SPEAK to me bunny rabbit, why don't you SAY something?"
	"I'm only 3 an a half yeaws owd"
	"blblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblblbl"
	"I Like him, He's Silly!"
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: timf@microsoft.com (Tim Fleehart)
Subject: Re: I'd sell my soul for ....
Date: 11 Aug 92 16:13:52 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug05.164810.165503@zeus.calpoly.edu> swoodwar@zeus.calpoly.edu (Null Cypher) writes:
>ricegm@ecf.toronto.edu (George Matthew Rice) had the unmitigated audacity to say:
>>Say the 'devil' :-) came up to you with an offer. What would you
>>want for your soul.
>
>a fiefdom in Hell.

We'll grant you 158 acres in Vultures Bend.  You will start off with no
subjects, and no funds.  You are responsible for generating 2 million cu.ft.
of water a day, as well as 20000 pounds of watermellon every six months.
This is your fee payable to Satan through the district chief of Vultures
Bend.  You have 1 year in which to organise your affairs here on earth and
then you must report for duty.

Thank you, it's been a pleasure doing business with you.

NEXT!
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Some notes from the Satanic Bible
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:35:39 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Aug13.143103.386@cine88.cineca.it> petruz@uqbar.UUCP (Petruz Boonenkamp) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.042706.15925@panix.com> rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding) writes:
>>Inconsistant only with what YOU have decided our philosophy is. Based on
>>my above points, I think it's clear that to engage in bestiality is
>>to limit the sexual freedom of the animal. 
>
>But then, killing and eating the animal is to limit its freedom to live!
>Why should the animal's sexual freedom be more important than its freedom
>to live?  Or is satanism only compatible with vegetarianism?-)
>
	Hmm.  The killing and eating is to sustain life and thus, a necessary
evil.  :)   It is kind of vague, tho.  Just how many animals must be killed
for a single human to subsist.  I like my Steaks as much as the next guy,
but they are kind of unnecessary.                       


		Wow, I've been stumped,
					Raymond H. Rich
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