HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ronih@zxninja.Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Ih)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: testing IGRNORE !!!
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:42:23 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: zxninja

In article <1992Apr7.183531.6959@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> money1@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Neal Joseph Thurman) writes:
>In article <rsduiINNlrg@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>>I think it's high time motorcycle manufacturers started offering leg
>>protectors as options on motorcycles imported into this country.  The
>>[...]
>>
>Ed, I'm afraid that recent criticism in rec.moto has caused you to go soft.
>You are entirely correct, of course, but why stop with just leg protectors?

Well, personally I wouldn't complain if MC manufacturers threw in a set
of Dainese race leathers with my bike. :-)

I think it should be the way that seat belts used to be. They were there,
but it was up to you to use it...



Ron Ih
1990 Kawasaki ZX-6
ronih@zxninja.Eng.Sun.COM
From: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Aged Ambrosia Rev.2
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:01:36 GMT
Reply-To: steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier)
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <3026@cvbnetPrime.COM> 
rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.134604.2768@javelin.sim.es.com> 
>blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:
>>>  I have liberally deleted and synopsized several passages. 
>>Ahem, editing Brucer is akin to editing the Constitution.
>I agree - If you're gonna do reposts, do 'em in entirety!  Besides Steve,
>its not a case of wasting bandwidth or you'd have been wasted long ago ...
>	>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

It will come as no surprise to regular readers of rec.moto that yours
truly is *always* wasted. %#@   But OK, I get the hint.  I've only edited
one article, since I used it as a prelude to the second article in the same
post...I will repost that edited article in a few minutes (of *my* virtual
time, of course :-).

>Now, if you have any stuff by this Blaine character feel free to whittle 
>and chop at will...that's more akin to editing "The Proposal for Sewerage
>Recycling" here in Ma. (Just MHO).

I'm sorry, but I only edit *Literature*.  I won't chop cabbage for any
hash-house pulp-production.  (That's abusive humor, Blaine.  Smile-Away! :-)

Steve Garnier - 1979 Yamaha XS1100SF Special with 156,000 miles and *climbing*
DoD #00000005 - KotF (The Daemon's Byte and Keeper of the Flame), NC Chapter
Internet:steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu  UUCP:{?,gatech,uunet}!mcnc!bucolix!steve
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Some Simple Questions
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 15:19:03 GMT

In article <16110163@hpsad.sad.hp.com> frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>
>	*2) To check the timing, I'm supposed to view the timing mark on the
>	*   flywheel by looking through an opening on the left side of the
>
>Doesn't this bike have an electronic ignition?  (no points)  They rarely
>if ever need setting.  Most people rarely if ever bother to check the
>timing on such bikes.

Timing adjustments take care of when the spark fires in the cycle. This is
handled by a distributor. Points take care of the charging/discharging
of the coil, or how to get the power to the plugs. If you have an electronic
substitute for points, then you won't have to worry about how the current gets
into the leads (fogetting about the distributor cap for a moment). Unless 
you have an electronic distributor, you still have to worry about *when*.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine    DoD #275
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | ohrd!jlevine@cs.toronto.edu
                         ride it                 | Ontario Hydro Research
From: bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com (or current resident)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Today's Braindead Cager Day
Summary: ...till you see the whites of their eyes
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:48:58 GMT
Reply-To: bradl@tekig5.pen.tek.com
Organization: Pokey Folk on Parade

In article <1992Apr14.182249.2736@tcsi.com> gwu@tcsi.tcs.com (George Wu) writes:
>
>-
>     Today I must be more invisible than normal.  My nine mile, fifteen minute
>morning commute entailed the following:
>
>	1) Adjacent Cadillac merged into my lane.  No, I shouldn't have been
>	   riding next to him, but I wasn't in his blind spot either.  I was
>	   even with his front windshield;



Some days a commute is mini-vacation; other days it's a run for your
life.

One day I noticed that I was unconsciously doing something that might be
a background survival mechanism. Whenever I find that I will be
"pacing" a cage for a while I will try and catch the drivers eye.
Usually pulling even and staring in the window will do it; sometimes I
just nod or waggle a hand "hello." This way they know without a doubt
that I'm there. I like to think that they will retain that conscious
awareness of my prescence for at least a few minutes. Or 50 feet;
whichever comes first.


--
=============== Apply Disclaim-All (tm) to Affected Area ===============

Bradlee T. LaBroad	
bradlee.t.labroad@TEK.COM       			GB_500   DoD#389
From: moseley@milton.u.washington.edu (Steve Moseley)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CFV: Ban Steve Mosley (was: Motorcyclists and Bicyclists)
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:17:42 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


I clone genes for a living, bacterial genes. I would consider an even
lower form of life than bacteria if could get hold of some DNA from Mark
J. Andy. I'd try to clone some of his DNA into the Coho salmon we have up
here in Seattle, because nothing will take the bait quicker than Mark J.
Andy. Sorry to hear you're having trouble finding a job, Mark, perhaps your
communications skills need a little honing.

Back to bicycles and motorcyclists, gosh guys, I know there already is a
rec.bicycles, I was trying to be sarcastic. Perhaps MY communications
skills need a little honing.

See you at Summit Point, Mark. I can't wait to meet you in person.

 - Steve
From: Ray_L_Curry@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: 1 G = 45 degrees?  (Was: Tire loading question)
Date: Sun,  5 Apr 92 21:00:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa
  <1992Apr1.200249.4519@acsu.buffalo.edu>
  <1992Apr2.185357.21938@rtsg.mot.com>
  <1992Apr3.173845.24803@cbnews.cb.att.com>

First of all, let's not confuse linear acceleration with angular 
acceleration.  Number of "g's" in a turn is angular acceleration 
which in physics is angular velocity divided by the radius of turn
or something like that.  It's too late in the day to both for the
specifics.  Angular acceleration is how you figure out the centripital
force, that force required to push the object into the center of 
rotation.  45 degree lean = 1 g comes from the static rotation formula
and applies to a static turn calculation and is correct for that.  
The problem is that the world is not static.  Take a piece of dragster
tire.  Put it on an inclined plane.  If the plane is less than or 
equal to 45 degrees from the horizontal, it will stay.  If the slant
is more, it will slip.  This measures coefficient of static friction.  
(Approximately 45 that is.  That's how the physics types calculated a 
1 g max for wheel driven vehicles.  Now measure the weight of the rear
tires on the ground of that dragster.  When acceleration starts, more
force appears on the ground that the car weighs.  If grip is too good
and other forces can not be brought to bear, the car will wheelie.  
All lot of forces come into play including how the drive housing is 
attached to the vehicle.  At the other end of the strip, the aerodynamics
of the body come into play making the weight get heavier again.  When
speed isn't high enough when full power is applied, the tire goes up in
smoke.  This happens a few hundred feet down the track unless the auto
matic clutch applies too much power to start.  One of the factors measured
by the onboard computers is that down force.  The weight transfer in any
dynamics is the missing ingredient.  Open wheel race cars get 2 to 3 g's
in a turn because of their aero-down force.  Spoil that air by driving
in front with another wing and you can put one in the wall.  Watch a 
race and see how often a driver talks about getting into bad air.  Bikes
can not match this because they can't generate "down" forces while leaned
over.  The bikes best turn comes from being pitched into the turn and having
the tire forced down by rotational forces of the bike around its forward
horizontal axis.  Steady state turns reduce the grip.
From: davewi@soccer.wv.tek.com (David H. Wise)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ADVICE ON HONDA 450 (1972
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:52:20 GMT
Reply-To: davewi@soccer.wv.tek.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1992Apr09.185440.27825@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>>How tricky is it (read: can I trust most motocycle mechanics) to 
>>>clean and sync (if applicable) the carbs?  Mine seems to be dirty, as
>>>it won't idle.
>
>The synch procedure in the manuals I've seen all simply set
>the two throttles to open at the same time.  So you adjust the throttle
>cable, set the minimum required free play, and eyeball it.  I don't
>think they even mentioned a feeler guage...  As long as you have the

This seems pretty primitive, compared to what my 1980-vintage manuals say
(mercury manometers on all cylinders, adjust to < 40mm difference).  I bet
you'd get a smoother idle if you used the newer procedure.

David Wise (DoD#427, davewi@orca.wv.tek.com, Packy -- 1980 CX500C)
--
David Wise (DoD#427, davewi@orca.wv.tek.com, Packy -- 1980 CX500C)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Taxing bicycles? (note new subject heading)
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:14:42 GMT

In article <kts3eoINN4ul@bovina.cs.utexas.edu> varvel@cs.utexas.edu
(Donald A. Varvel) is paved: 

>People like this make me wish we had never allowed motor vehicles
>on our paved roads.  It's not as if they were originally built for
>motor vehicles, after all.  But I guess the nose got in the tent
>and we're stuck with it.  8^)
>
>-- Don Varvel (varvel@cs.utexas.edu)

I wondered when someone would point out that the paving of roads
began as a response to pressure from a vehicular special interest
group called

BICYCLISTS!!!!!!!!!!


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: mtiberio@bbn.com (Mike Tiberio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: DOD @ SUMMIT POINT
Date: 13 Apr 1992 20:52:30 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: wash-sunc.bbn.com

Saw 2 bikes with DOD license plate frames. A non computer friend
pointed out that the red suzuki katana had a bald rear tire, no
doubt from burnouts. He was impressed by the computer jocks
attitude as indicated by the condition of the rear tire...



mtiberio@bbn.com

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman)
Subject: Re: DoD ACHIEVES $5,000 PLAQUE AT AMA HERITAGE MUSEUM
Reply-To: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 14:45:34 GMT

In article <ruskkINNn6n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
> In article 10714@serval.net.wsu.edu, bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
> >
> >Say, what's the next level.  Anything special happen when we get to $10,000?
> 
> They rename it the AMA DoD Heritage Museum, and add an exhibit called,
> "1001 DoD Products, a Retrospective View of Electronic Marketing."
> 

I think Ed's right.  As we approach the 10K level of donation perhaps
Ed would care to form a committee to assemble a complete collection of
DoD-ware which we can then 'loan' to the museum for the inevitable
exhibition.  I can see it now: DoD-ware on loan from the collections of
	[followed by my name, Ed's name, etc.]

And of course the museum could raise additional funds by selling tickets
to the exhibition across America via Ticketron.  The possibilities are
almost unlimited.  Unfortunately my time is not.  See ya.

-Gary


-- 
Gary Wasserman      "A completely irrational attraction to BMW bikes"
Interleaf, Inc.      Prospect Place, 9 Hillside Ave, Waltham, MA 02154
grw@ileaf.com        617-290-4990x3423 FAX 617-290-4970       DoD#0216
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: WHAT TO CALL A HARLEY
Keywords: Not all gone
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:35:53 GMT
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <3124.89.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) writes:
>
> Hmm... lessee... Maely makes engines, but not bikes.  Buell uses Harley
>motors in their bikes, and they used to build some GP two stroke
>motors, but as far as I know no complete motorcycles.  Yankee used weird
>mutant OSSA engines, and I don't think they're around any more.
>Rokon... is Rokon still around?  The dirt bike specialists like Penton
>are gone.                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                      ATK is alive and well, and builds
                                      some great (but expensive) dirt
                                      bikes.                                                                                
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| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|                                 | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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From: dhk@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Dustin Kassman)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:03:14 GMT
Subject: Paul O'Neill bumperstickers
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

Because Dale does not have access to the net he asked me to post this.
If you would like to send any messages to Dale email them to me and I
will make sure that he gets them.

					Dustin Kassman
					dhk@cv.hp.com
					LBCC Site Co-Coordinator
			          Team Oregon Motorcycle Safety Program

----------------------------------------------------------


As most of you know, Paul Vincent O'Neill was an avid contributor to
rec.motorcycles.  About the only thing he enjoyed more than reading and
posting flames was actually riding his motorcycles.  Sometimes his bikes
were the only things which could draw him away from his computer.  The
crux of Paul's enjoyment with both riding and the net was the
involvement with other enthusiasts.  On first impression, one might
think Paul was a loner, aloof and even reclusive.  But when someone
invested the time to take a second look, they found a fascinating,
diverse person with a deep sense of comaraderie.  When the Denizen's of
Doom was founded, Paul was quick to join.  His subsequent postings would
be signed "PVO DoD #0006."

On July 28, 1991, on a beautiful Saturday afternoon, while sport riding
down his favorite mountain road, Paul lost control of his RZ350 and was
killed on impact with a tree.  The response from the net would have made
Paul proud - contributions were made in his memory to the motorcycle
safety program at Linn-Benton Community College (LBCC) where he had been
a motorcycle safety instructor.  These generous contributions made
possible printing 3000 bumperstickers with an illustration of Paul on
his Hurricane 1000, with the message, "WORTH A SECOND LOOK -- WATCH FOR
MOTORCYCLES."  Alongside Paul, in recognition of the major source of
contributions, is "PVO DoD #0006."  At the bottom is the 800 number for
the Team Oregon Motorcycle Safety Program.

Team Oregon would like to thank all of you who contributed to Paul's
memory.  We hope you are pleased that your contributions are being put
to use to remind drivers to share the road.  As a close friend of Paul,
I am certain he would be pleased.  Those of you who contributed to the
fund can receive a bumpersticker by sending a self-addressed envelope to

		Team Oregon Motorcycle Safety Program
		Attn: Dale
		Waldo Hall 320-B, OSU
		Corvallis, OR  97331-6406

Please be advised the bumperstickers are 3.5" x 11" and must be folded
unless you send a large enough envelope (personally, I do not think
there is a problem folding them).  FYI, they weight 0.2 ounces each.

Additional contributions will be used to further promote rider training,
such as a second printing of bumperstickers.  Team Oregon and LBCC would
like to thank everyone who contributed.  Your contributions made
possible increased public awareness, and helped the family get over a
most difficult time.  Thanks again.


			Ride long and prosper,
			Dale D. Claussen
			Regional Coordinator
			Team Oregon Motorcycle Safety Program
From: pyoung@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk (Peter Young)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CX500..what the hell
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:40:08 GMT
Reply-To: pyoung@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom Labs

From article <kdrwv3i00iUxA4YnYq@andrew.cmu.edu>, by jn1h+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Robert Nadzam):
> As I was pulling mme big CB750 upinto the bike area at CMU I saw a Honda
> CX500, I have never seen one of these before, it looked to be around mid
> 80's and to have an airplane engine in it. What type of powerbox is in
> those bikes, they look cool and squidy.

OMIGAWD, the Plastic Maggot is alive and well.

500 v-twin (watercooled) transverse , shaft drive. Later versions were
produced with bigger engines (650 I think) and there was even a turbo version.

Produced mid-seventies to mid-80s. Very reliable (apart from early problems
with cam-chain tensioners). Monumentally underpowered. About 200lbs too heavy.
Very high centre of gravity. Dreadful handling. Comfy seat. Said to make
a good sidecar bike (pity Miles isn't able to read this, he has one set
up with a chair and some leading link forks).

These things are/were very popular with despatch riders in the UK and there
are still a good few of them chugging round central London and the M25.

Can't imagine why anyone would ride one for fun though.
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Pete Young         pyoung@axion.bt.co.uk        Phone +44 473 645054
             BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH IP5 7RE UK
   "There are two kinds of jazz, and they're both crap" - Alexei Sayle
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: preliminary tally FG vs. GS
From: rbp@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Bob Pasker)
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:36:57 PDT
Organization: San Francisco State U. -- Dept. of History

In article <1992Apr14.120056.18246@hemlock.cray.com> tbb@sumac02.cray.com (Todd Blachowiak) writes:
>> its still lopsided, by the way.  the tally stands at 15:13 FJ:GS.
>> all you GS riders out there! send me E-MAIL!  garry wasserman are
>> you out there?
> Much to the dismay of the FJers and GSers I would guess that their are
> more CBRers out there.

the question, though, todd, is WHO CARES about CBRs or FZRs?

the tally is tied at 15:15.
-- 
-- bob pasker 
-- rbp@sutro.sfsu.edu 
-- not speaking for: San Francisco State -- Dept. of History
  
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: kenn@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Kenn Frankel)
Subject: Help!  Repair / Junk it Advice needed!
Summary: Dead Engine - What do I do?
Keywords: Dead Engine
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 18:46:26 GMT

Well.  My 1986 Yamaha has died.  Blew a crankcase, rod, piston, plus
maybe some more - I didn't want to pay the repair place an extra two
hours to fully take apart the engine for more bad news.  I am looking
at an engine rebuild.  I put the bike up for sale for parts, and I've
been offered $300.  I bought it for $1200, and the repair shop estimates
I need $500 of new parts, not counting their labor.  I have an experienced
friend who offered to help rebuild it.  We have a manual.

Do I:

1) Take the $300 and run.  (Well, take the bus to the more distant destinations)

2) Plop down $300-$500 and several months and age several years but have an
   incredible spiritual experience with book and movie opportunities.

3) Bite a bullet and pay almost what I bought for the durned thing to the
   repair shop and get my bike back within a couple weeks.

4) Same as #1, but buy another used bike.  $1200-$2000, minus $300 profit
   from dead bike.

The only problems with #3 and #4 is that I don't really have the money
without a lot of sacrifices.  And now that the helmet law is around, riding
isn't what it used to be...

So what's worth what to you?  What should I do?

Thanks for advice,
Kenn Frankel
kenn@cs.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ed@grackle.UWaterloo.ca (Ed Walker)
Subject: Wheelie/Driving Test/lotsa*)("
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:58:14 GMT


Yesterday (Sunday), I had my cousin (190+ lbs) on the back of my RZ350.
After adjusting the rear suspension to its hardest setting (as to get the  
fender off of the rear tire *8) ) we headed out.
On a little side street I gave the throttle a little bit of a pull well going  
up a small slope. SH*T! the front tire went airborne. I slammed the throttle  
shut and down it came.  I had turned the wheel a little bit well in the air so  
there was a beauty of a wobble as it touched down.  Realizing (with relief)  
that I had gotten away with a wheelie with big cousin on the back surely  
impressing (read scaring the sh*t out of) him.  I pulled the throttle again  
(easier this time) and up! Up! UP! the wheel went again.  The second (above  
being the first) and biggest wheelie I had ever done. SH***T!!!! was both my  
cousins and my reaction as I fought to get the front tire back down.  He claims  
that all he saw was clouds the second time and thought for sure I was out to  
kill him.  We pulled up to a stop sign and he proceeded with threats on how he  
was gonna kill me.
Being a newbie, does this make me a squid??? (-insert flame's here-)... hmmmm.  
maybe a squidly newbie (what a horrible combination). *8)

Oh ya.. what does this have to do with the Driving Test??? I am going to do it  
tomorrow... wish me luck (I am sick of my beginners and not LEGALLY being able  
to be out after dark or have passengers or go on roads that the speed limit is  
100KM/H.. then again.. it hasen't stopped me yet ;) )

sure hope I can keep the front wheel on the ground.. (wonder if anyone has ever  
gone in and out the pylons on only the back wheel ;-) ).

|Edward Thomas Walker     |              '87 Yamaha RZ350T                
|ed@grackle.uwaterloo.ca  |       |-\   --/   --|   |--   |-|   -|-                                    
|Waterloo, Ont. Canada    |       |-/    /    --|   |-|   | |    |                   
|**DOOWUTCHYALIKE!** -H.H.|       | \   /--   --|   --|   |-|    |        
                   Disclaimer: "Opinions?!?... who me?.... "  

BTW: I wonder if I use (probably) the most sets of '()' per message?
Maybe I should apply for a DoD number (1234567890) and be the official: Kot().
(jeez with that number I could also be the Kotdigits) ;)
Maaaan.. I am gonna get burned.
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