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From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Subject: Spain and Iran
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no 
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:22:46 GMT


                                Iran and Spain

Was it actually Spain who won the olympic games. The year 1992 was the year 
when Spain was a window to the world. The 500 anniversary of Colombus 
discovery, the world show in Sevilla and now the successful implementation
of Olympics were all proofs to the new "wunderkind" of Europe. It was also
the 500 year anniversary of the fall of Moslem Granada in Spain and the
start of a decline which is even now precipitating!
 After Franko's death and  under the pragmatist leader of the socialist party 
Phillipo Gonzales, Spain has acquired justly the respect of the World.
 The closing ceremony in Spain with fire playing devils and imps and 
the voice of Careras played on the fine cultural heritage and at the same 
time modern popularism and for the consumption of a whole world watching
the event. They have finely used their cultural heritage, their music and
their fine climate to advertise for their country. The revenue from the
50 million tourists visiting Spain each year is around 50 billion dollars 
yearly or 3 times more than 17.5 billion dollars Iran earns each year from
oil. Spain has used this money to build up modern infrastructure and from 
almost the same starting point (comparable in 70s in the term of GNP), Spain
and Iran have gone different ways. In the openning ceremony Iran was the 
only country who did not let a woman to carry its flag. This made the 
Scandinavian womanTV commentator very angry. This reminded me of one
Iranian MPs (member of Parliament) who spoke  concerning to the nonoil export
plans of the government. He said that unfortunately Iranians do not know what 
the needs are in the developed countries (I think it was Rajayee Khorasani the
previous Iranian UN delegate leader). Imagine when even a Burda model magazine
is forbidden in Iran, how the textile industry can compete internationally. 
How can we have designers. And when the culture of the west is said to be
polluting and is banished, how can we access information about this culture to
market a product or to manufacture for this market! 

Spain discovered the west while we have lost it!     

                                                        Kambiz
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Baghdad, a Persian name, revisited.
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:21:52 GMT
Organization: Stanford University

farhad@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:
>In article mahyar@netcom.com (Mahyar Rahmatian) writes:
>>
>>PS, How about " Tehran ", what does this name mean ?
>
>To me it is a DEC STATION 3100 with 24MEG memory and
>1.2GIG of disk running  ULTRIX 4.2A  with bunch of
>Iranians working on it.

AghA FarhAd, everyone knows about Tehran (36.28.0.189). Let's see if
anyone knows about **i*a* (36.28.0.16)!  :-)

    --mack

--
When I kiss your lips, I feel the rolling thunder to my fingertips.
And all the while my head is in a spin. Deep within, I'm in love.
You're my everything...                       --Santa Esmeralda
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From: hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar)
Subject: Ferydoun Moshiree
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 02:31:03 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)

Peter writes :
=================================
Speaking of Siavosh ShahjariAn and "Por Kon Pialera..." I believe the poetry
from that music is from Hafez, in fact the announcer specifically says so--
"Golhayeh tawzeh, nomreyeh haftdod o haft... Por kon pialera," etc. etc.,
let's see, "...honarmandan..." ah yes, here it is,... (my mental indexer is 
running slowly today... "...qazal az Hafez..."
=================================

That poem is one of the most famous work of Ferydoun Moshiree. I have Farsi book
of his, in which that poem is included.  The book that I have is a collection 
of his works (e.g. the best of ....).  Most of poems in this book are either
in appreciation of nature or just depressing facts about everyday life.
Other poem of his (in this book) that got famous is 'baharam dokhtaram' 
[..spring, my daughter] which was beautifully sung by Delkash in 1330-1340.



Farid Hamjavar
Honesty is the outcome of certainty, while untruth is always rooted in fear.
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From: koohi@crchh46.BNR.CA (Shane Koohi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: IRANIAN Airbus downing
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:48:18 GMT
Reply-To: koohi@crchh46.BNR.CA (Shane Koohi)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.


       Does anyone remember what became of the controversy
       with regard to the shooting down of an Iraninan Airbus
       carrying civilian passengers a few years ago by
       American Warship??   I had heard that the U.S. had sent
       $$ to family of the dead people..etc... please post
       any info....

	Thanks, Shane
From: Teymourtach@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Rushdi and Verses
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:17:49 GMT
Reply-To: kTeymourtach@ece.Berkely.edu
Organization: University of California


Salam Doostan,
	I had the opportunity to meet with Mr. Salmon Rushdi
a while ago in England and I was wondering if any of you out 
there have news about his status with the Iranian Government. 
I am aware of the "official verdict" of the government, but 
the recent wave of activities by the Iranian Government has
him and his staff rather worried as the English government
has decided to reduce his security staff and he himself cannot
afford the extra cost. Please post any news in the news group
as I am not a computer person.
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From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:17:40 GMT

kambizm@fidibus.uio.no  writes:


>                                Iran and Spain


>Spain discovered the west while we have lost it!     

>                                                        Kambiz

Spain discovered the west?
Spain IS the West.
Iran IS NOT the West.
Iran IS the East.
You are expected to know this very basic fact before making so much conclusions.






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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: republican convention
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:53:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Aug19.125326.8065
Organization: Software Engineering Institute


Frankly I can't believe anyone could listen to the palaver, blatant hypocrisy,
and posturing the Republicans are doing.  Pat Buchanon is a moron.  What do we
want?  An American Khomeni?  Forget it.  I figure I will go down fighting to
the last against his type.  The Republican party stands for freedom for all of
the rich white people, and that's it.  If it stands in the way of big
enterprize, the Republicans are against it.  I am positive that a truly
Republican administration would speak loudly against the evils of pornography
(for example) and look the other way if it were a big enough business.  They
are liars and hypocrits--DON'T BE REPUBLICAN!  They represent the biggest
threat to everything our constitution stands for.  Pat Buchanon is a fascist
in a thin disguise.   I can't believe anybody would support him.   
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From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no (Kambiz Iranpovr Mobarekeh)
Subject: Re: Another look at plane shooting 
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no (Kambiz Iranpovr Mobarekeh)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:33:36 GMT


>I just heard something very interesting about the shooting down of the
>airplane over gulf. I was told that there was another military plane over
>the passenger plane on a mission on US navies. The military plane was right
>above the passenger plane so the radar couldn't trace it and the passenger
>plane was warnned by US navy a few times to change direction. So does this
>mean that Iran is responslible for 290 death of innocent people ?

>Any supportive or anti comments??

>By the way, don't flatter yourself. Iran wasn't the one that invented this
>technique. Iraq invented it and that was the way that Iraq could reach
>their planes to Tehran and Isfahan and Shiraz to bombard them. They waited
>until an Iranian passanger plane took off from border cities and jumped
>over it as soon as it was in the air.

>Ramin 

Do you think if this history was true the Americans had let it be silent so
long. It is just an American  misinformation campaign for  naives and
for public consumption after that Gandash daramad.
                                      Kambiz
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From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: BBC Unveils CIA Monetory Support for Iranian Opposition
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:27:33 GMT

This report is based on interviews with CIA operatives in Europe.
Apparently people like Reza Pahlavi, General Madani, former Iranian
president Bani Sadr and Manoochehr Ganji the manager of radio DERAFSHE
KAAVIANI are among people who have been under CIA payroll.
The report also unveils the friendship between William Casey, the former
CIA director, and Reza Pahlavi, the son of deposed Shah of Iran.  In a 
party Casey is heard to say that Reza Pahlavi will return to Iran with CIA help.
Ganji, the director of a costly radio broadcast into Iran has contested
the BBC revelations.  He has indicated that he has accepted the money only
for the rescue of Iran (NEJAATE IRAN)!
This piece of news was from an Iranian broadcast in D.C. area.
Does anyone have any more info. on this (how about U.K. ahaali?)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:7303 soc.culture.afghanistan:875 soc.culture.arabic:3370 soc.culture.turkish:9149
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Baghdad is an Iranian city !!!
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:43:14 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <sehari.714266348@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>
>It is very usual in Persian, like Gospand and Gosfand, Hami-ravad and
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>mi-ravad. By the way in some western dialacts bagh is used instead of BAgh.
>Iranian, like any other people in the world including Americans, like to make
>the words shorter and easier to speak.  Even we in Tehran call ourselves
>Tehroni, not the correct Persian Tehrani.
>

I think you mean Goosfand, sort of like Goosaaleh.

Behzad
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From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:32:24 GMT

minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:

>Oh BTW, in case you want to know I am a Sunni Muslim, I am from ahl-i-sunna
								############
>wa jama'ah.
################


Do you mean you are a member of Jamaa'at Da'vaa va Tabligh?

>zafar

Ala
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From: mnejat@telesoft.com (Mehregan Nejat @lone)
Subject: Re: More Iranian sports trivia (By Kamran Iranpour)
Organization: TeleSoft, San Diego, CA, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:07:26 GMT

In <Bt8x9D.Aup@news.udel.edu> keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani) writes:
[stuff deleted...]

>>>7- Who was the Mordeh-Khor of Taj ?
>>
>>You mean they ever scored?  :-)

>Are you guys out of your mind? 
>TAj never had a mordeh-khor. Ali JabbAri (the captain) used
>to score a lot; and later, hassan Rowshan became their best 
>forward(also of the national team).
>The only forward that I can think of as a mordeh-khor
>was Ghaffoor-e-JahAni of MalavAn(AjAx-e-GilaAn!).

Of course TAJ had a mordeh-khor. As a matter of fact they had 2 of them.
Both are brothers. Does the name Mazlomee ring a bell?

Hameh Ja Perspolis.


--Mehregan

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From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Spain and Iran
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:16:13 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati


In light of some of the mail and the followups that were posted I am going to 
repost the relevant portion of one of my followups to Mr. Kambiz's post. I
don't think I misunderstood but in case I did, just let me know. BTW this 
portion of the followup diverges onto a different subject matter; maybe about
what causes peoples ways of thinking to change.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<BEGIN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>I know what you are talking about though. Spain has taken upon itself the 
>technical culture that is flourishing in Europe. Iran has not. From what I read
>in journals and from the postings even here, I strongly disagree. It is true
>that if it wasn't for the western colonial powers Muslim countries would still
>be asleep, but you are leaving out a lot of variables. What did the powers do
>to the Muslims in order to get themselves woken up? Two people who I agree withsaid it nicely, The leader of Bosnia, Alijah Izzetbagovic, and a British 
>thinker, Hassan Eaton, talk about two methods, one was the stick the other was 
>the mind. Slowly the mind of the Muslim was transformed such that it had 
>undergone a cultural apostasy, that is to say that it had rejected the culture
>of the East and accepted the culture of the West it would not take much then to
>reject Islam, these people who I see as ardent admirers of the accomplishments
>of the West and the so-called "humanism" of which none exists in any of the 
>Western nations are pariahs because they are trying to see their own countries
>fit the mold of the western model; in reality they are out of touch with their
>own culture, with their people with their history, with the mindset of 
>everything they are trying to change, but the worst part is that they are out 
>of touch with themselves. A cultural apostasy which they never even noticed 
>occuring to them has changed their way of thinking to a large extent yet they 
>are not fully aware of what is going on in their heads. Something to think 
>about dear readers.
>
>sincerely
>
>zafar

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<END>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

zafar
From: dbeachle@teal.csn.org (Dave Beachley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Survey on summaries of Kayhan highlights
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:27:23 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.


PLease continue posting your Kayhan article summaries.  Thanks.

-Yash
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Editorial in N.Y. Times (8/18/92)
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:41:26 GMT
	<oou.djvls@lab.ntt.jp> <1992Aug21.130030.21402@Princeton.EDU>
Organization: none

In article <1992Aug21.130030.21402@Princeton.EDU> bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:

 #In article <oou.djvls@lab.ntt.jp> farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
 #>In article <TOWFIQ.92Aug19101000@nighthawk.clearpoint.com> towfiq@Microdyne.COM writes:
 #>
 #> @  The following editorial appeared in Tuesday's New York Times:
 #> @
 #> @			     A Death in Iran
 #> @
 #> @Despite recurrent reports that Iran has become "moderate," persecution
 #> @of members of the Bahai faith has intensified.  On March 17, a
 #> @businessman named Bahman Samandari was summoned to the notorious Evin
 #> @prison in Teheran, where he was secretly executed the next day.
 #>
 #>1. what is their source? Supposedly "secretly" means that the Iranian
 #>   gov. has not admitted the alleged execution.
 #>
 #>2. *Assume* that the execution did take place. What was he charged with?
 #>   If the execution was simply for being Baha'i, then the gov. should be
 #>   executing all baha'is in Iran. Was he perhaps a Baha'i AND a criminal?
 #>   Many Muslims have been executed. That does NOT make the gov. anti-Islamic.
 #>      
 #I totally agree with Farzin on this subject. Afterall, what does
 #Amnesty International and other human rights groups know about
 #political prosecution. I am sure if such events were taking place
 #in Iran (that is, prosecution of Bahais based on their religious
 #beliefs), it would have made the headlines on Keyhaan Havaayee.
 #Right Farzin?
 #
 #While we are on the subject, I also think that all this talk about 
 #aparthied (sp?) in South Africa has been grossly exaggerated.
 #
 #Behzad
 #
 #p.s. for those of you who are not familiar with the art of sarcasm,
 #please keep that point in mind while reading this article.

Nothing is more pointless than arguing with closed people.
Specially the ones who got sarcasm.  8-)
   
  - Farzin
             
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From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: MOAFI
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:58:06 GMT

ramin@bahal.csd.sgi.com writes:


> Does anyone have the latest and greatest news from iran about this MOAFI 
> 
> latest i heard was:

> If you have:
>  
> -Diplomas     ==>   350.000  tomans

> - A A (phog diplom ==> 500.000 tomans

> - B.S (lisance)    ==> 1.000.000 tomans

> - PHD              ===> ??

I think I heard something like 15,000,000 rial on Peyk T.V. (this is
a T.V. program in D.C. area sponcered by the Iranian Interest Section).


> Any more info on this (white flower day sale?)
>--
>Ramin Ghazi  (ramin@sgi.com)   "There is only one reason that we are all" 
>sgi product support                  gathered here and that is 
>					    "GRAVITY"
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Fashion designer dies of AIDS
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:00:01 GMT
	<1992Aug18.155330.4800@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
Organization: none


From: Japan Times, Aug. 19, 1992
----------------------------------------------------------------------
     
LONDON (UPI-Kyodo) Tommy Nutter, the rebel clothing designer who
made bell-bottom pants groovy, died of AIDS in a London hospital,
The Guardian newspaper reported Tuesday.
   
Nutter, who was 49, made his name in the 1960s, dressing celebrities
such as Mick Jagger, the Beatles, Twiggy and Cilla Black.
   
In the 1980s and 90s, he also designed clothes for Elton John,
Michael Jackson, Diana Ross, Andrew Lloyd webber and the Rolling
Stones Bill Wyman, and created the outfit that Jack Nicholson's
"Joker" character wore in the film Batman.
    
The designer, who died Monday, announced last month that he had AIDS.
   
---------------------------------------------------------------------
     
 - Farzin Mokhtarian
   farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
From: towfiq@nighthawk.clearpoint.com (Mark Towfiq)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Attempt at "ra" (for M. Towfiq)
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:41:33 GMT
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corporation

>>>>> On 14 Aug 92 13:47:44 GMT, psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) said:

pc> Okay so let me take a crack at it:

pc>   Maryam took the ball away from the small boy.

pc> Maryam az pesareh toupe ra gereft.

  Bravo!  (I think most SCI readers would write the word for ball in
ASCII as "toop", however -- you are using the more French-style
transliteration here; although I notice you say "gerdoo" below ;-) ).

pc> (the "h's" are silent of course, I don't know how to represent the
pc> "ay" sound otherwise)

  Which brings up an excellent point for English-speakers learning
Persian; there are two sounds which English-speakers have a lot of
problem with, and which are a major barrier to having a good accent.
However, paying attention to them early on and really working hard on
them will lead to faster progress.  The two sounds are "eh" and "a".

  From your description above of the sound "ay" I suspect that you are
pronouncing the ending "eh" as a diphthong (ending y); this is a
no-no.  I don't know how much linguistic terms you are familiar with,
but basically the difference between a normal "eh" and its diphthong
is captured in comparing the English words "pet" and "pate".  In
Persian, the "ending heh" as it is sometimes called (as in bachche) is
pronounced as the vowel sound in "pet", never as in "pate".

  The second thing is the difference between "A" and "a", in English
being the different sounds in "father" and "pass".  Unlike in English,
using the wrong "A/a" in a word will change the meaning of a Persian
word, whereas in English it usually is just associated with an accent.
For example, "bAd" (wind) vs. "bad" (bad).  Also, it sounds terrible
to say names with the "a" sound pronounced like "A".  This is
especially difficult for English speakers when dealing with "ar",
which doesn't exist in English.  Practice names like "Farshid" to get
a feeling for this.

pc>   Sassan drove his car into a tree.

pc> Sassan to derakht automobile ra... (I don't know how to make the
pc> correct form of "drove" in this case)

  That's ok, you got the -ra part right!

pc>   I like walnuts.

pc> Gerdoo doost daram. (Kheilly khoshmazast)

  Exactly.

pc> Oh well, I keep trying...

  Good!  Keep it up!
--
Mark Towfiq, towfiq@Clearpoint.COM			      H:+1 617 488 2818

O SON OF BEING!  Love Me, that I may love thee.  If thou lovest Me not, My love
can in no wise reach thee.  Know this, O servant.
		-- Baha'u'llah, Arabic Hidden Words, #5
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: slotfi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sherveen Lotfi)
Subject: gifs and soccer
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 02:51:32 GMT


        i just found you guys and the first thing i did was to go
        over to tehran.stanford.edu and picked up some of the
        gif files and printed them out on our thermal wax printer.
        the printer cost $10k, and i think i put it to good use!
        needless to say, they look very good.  i would really
        appreciate it if they kind soul(s) who put them there
        would maybe scan in a few more.  my parents put them in
        frames and hung them up in our house.

        for what it's worth, i'd be happy to print out some more
        and send them to anyone who'd want one. offer valid while
        supplies (of paper) last!  not available in hawaii, alaska,
        or samarghand :)

        the other thing i'd like to ask is...

                does anybody know why iran didn't field an
                olympic soccer team?  i thougth they kicked
                butt in the asian cup!?!

        ghorbaAn shomhA
-- 
 * Sherveen Lotfi, lotfi.1@osu.edu * 'oonga ga galoonga' *
 * Life-Cycle Engineering Group    * -carl               *
 * Ohio State Dept of Mech Eng     *  asst. greenskeeper *
 *********************************************************
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From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: NAKHSHAB
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 02:48:39 GMT
Organization: stars

In article <18292.2a8ef922@levels.unisa.edu.au> 8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>Salam Dostan
>
>I was woundering if any one at SCI knows anything about an IRANIAN
>Astrologer/Astronomer named NAKHSHAB in medival times. I would appreciate any
>response on this subject. Thank you very much.
>
>Peyam Pourbeik

I might be way off here, but stretching my memory from 'adabiyyAt' in high
school I recall a person in 200~300 A.H. who lived in Nakhshab in Torkestan.
His name - I say it with a lot of uncertainty - was 'hallAj.'  The story goes 
to say that there was a well near the city from which he used to raise the 
moon.  It was a magical artifact of his, and the moon apparently was an image
or imitation of the moon.  'MAh-e nakhshab' has been used very often in the
Persian poetry and literature.

How about that for a purely memorative answer? :-)

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 324-1055


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