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From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: Convince me to stick with Atari.
	<93009.183252SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:04:56 EST

In <93009.183252SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Well I cannot dissuade you from buying a '486 but I can tell you why
> I'm never buying a mac...

All excellent points...  Another one is the absurd cost of peripherals. 
Compare the price of a SyQuest or something with a comparable drive on a
PC, even an external one with its own case/powersupply.

> Like you, I want to buy a Falcon or an Amiga, But I'm waiting.  I am afraid
> brute force on the PCs will ultimately overtake the design elegance of these
> machines.  I'll still keep my 1040 though...  I just need to get X running
> on it and I'll be happy for some time yet.  The NCDs in my lab only have
> 8 Mhz 68000s and they are perfectly adequate X terminals...

I've looked and decided Macs are far too expensive for what you get. 
Also, you end up with better hardware (surprise!) and software that's
about as good (anybody use Microsoft Word lately?  I hate MS, but Word
is kinda nice...).

I think X on an ST is pretty much a pipe dream...  Sure it's possible,
but who's going to develop it?  Used Suns are pretty cheap, and if you
need unix/X, why not get the real thing?

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Chris Herborth
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: English -> German translator wanted
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:33:01 GMT

G'day folks,

I'm looking for an Atarian fluent in both English & German to help me translate
some documentation and program code from English to German. I would really
prefer to hire someone who is in the U.S. and who has a GEnie account, as well,
as that will just make things easier for us both.

It's not that big a job, but I won't pay you that much, either. ;-)

Please respond by email.  'tanks.
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_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ADVOCACY: Re: Falcon - Future
Date: 12 Jan 1993 05:47:50 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: case.ai.mit.edu

In article <73397@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:
>And I still prefer the PC method of upgrading to the ST method.  PCs are
>designed from the beginning to be upgraded.  STs have to be hacked.
>
>Plain and simple.

Bob, don't forget that you have the OPTION of taking a soldering iron
to your PC if you want to!  :)

Dave Baggett
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A letter to Dave Baggett
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 15:00:53 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:

> Chris Herborth writes:
>  
> >No, he means _real_ operating systems, like OS/2.  You know, that
> >multi-tasking, multi-threading OS from IBM?  The one that does better
> >DOS than DOS?
> [...]
> >Unless somebody can convince me otherwise, I think I'm going to buy a
> >'486 and run OS/2.  It's almost like unix, but with real applications...
>  
> Just incidentally, how much is MultiTOS going to cost when it finally
> is released (whenever that might be)..?  
>  
> I know that it will cost me over $140 to upgrade to TOS 2.06 in ROM..
>  
> OS/2 is available *NOW* from IBM, on CD-ROM, for  $15.00
>  
> (Quick.. somebody get David P-Z a glass of water before he chokes..)
>  
> BobR

 
 It costs $nzd375.00 here in New Zealand.


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From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A letter to Dave Baggett
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 15:51:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <93010539@ritz.mordor.com><1993Jan6.123352.3450@wg.estec.nl>
  <H.ea.T8tPKI2qGqM@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>

Chris Herborth writes:
 
>No, he means _real_ operating systems, like OS/2.  You know, that
>multi-tasking, multi-threading OS from IBM?  The one that does better
>DOS than DOS?
[...]
>Unless somebody can convince me otherwise, I think I'm going to buy a
>'486 and run OS/2.  It's almost like unix, but with real applications...
 
Just incidentally, how much is MultiTOS going to cost when it finally
is released (whenever that might be)..?  
 
I know that it will cost me over $140 to upgrade to TOS 2.06 in ROM..
 
OS/2 is available *NOW* from IBM, on CD-ROM, for  $15.00
 
(Quick.. somebody get David P-Z a glass of water before he chokes..)
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos)
Subject: Re: Porky pig.
Organization: TU Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:56:11 GMT

cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth) writes:
: [...] 
: How exactly does one pirate a CD-ROM?  650M hard drives aren't exactly
: cheap...  ;-)
: [...]

Well... I overheard a discussion during a lecture here a few weeks ago...
One PC user asked another to copy him a CD, so I guess it's not too hard
(to another CD)
He said that it costs around 200 ATS (30DM, 18US$?)

-MY
From: ue@nathan.do.open.de (Udo Erdelhoff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: cyberspace
Subject: Re: ICD Host Adapter
	<JOF0P5@minnie.zdv.uni-mainz.de>
	<1993Jan4.022838.2123@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
Reply-To: ue@nathan.do.open.de
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In <1993Jan4.022838.2123@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, Dan Cable writes:

Hi everybody,
>> Where can I get the new ICD Software?
>
>It can be found on both GEnie and on Compuserve. ICD expressly forbids the
>re-posting of it anywhere else so you shouldn't be able to find it
>anywhere on the net unless ICD put it there. 
there's an ICD mailbox (no net, just one box) here in Germany where you can
download the new versions. The phone number is +49-6104-67582, the modem is
*probably* a HST (I do have 14400/HST connects)....

>If you have a local ICD dealer they can also upgrade your software for no 
>fee (if they will).
That's slightly different here in Germany: Each and every update is 15 DM
(approx. 10 US$) if you get it at ICD, for free at the box. And the phone
costs are lower than that fee :-)
/s/
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Arcs and MSA help needed desperately!!
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 00:12:47 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

FeekZoid asked about unARChiving on floppy disks, and using MSA..
 
Charles F. Johnson of CodeHead Technologies has written an
excellent GEM based "shell" for the popular archiver programs,
called appropriately enough, ARCSHELL.  It's ShareWare, and
should be available at atari.archive.
 
It will allow you to select the input drive and output drives,
which can be different drives.
 
If you have enough memory, a good solution to unMSA'ing files
is to create a RAMdisk big enough to hold the source file, and
unMSA directly to a floppy disk.  That will eliminate the
disk swapping.
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy)
Subject: Re: Editor???
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:32:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.142811.20499@fwi.uva.nl> storm@fwi.uva.nl (Richard G.C. Storm (I89)) writes:
>I'm currently looking for a good editor for my atari.
>It has to save in ascii unlike 1st word does. If anybody
>knows which editor is good for that and where I can get it, I 
>will appreciate your help greatly.`

If you turn off word processing mode in 1st word it will save the file
as ascii. Of course, you lose the word processing stuff :-)

Mike Healy

healy@nosc.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: I can't believe YOU!!!Re: NEW ATARI SUPPORT Part 2
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 11:19:48 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

> > It is not a case of being facetious or no. You are COMPLETELY out of
> > line here. To ever (_EVER_) wish death on a CEO because you don't like
> > the way he runs _HIS_ company is absolutely outrages.
> 
> Do you *really* think it was meant!?  Ever heard of sarcasm!? 
 
 Yes but if you read the message it was not given in this tone!
 
> 
> Almost anyone I know could do a better job of marketing machines than these
 
 Yes well lets see YOU do it here in New Zealand.  Now remember they are
 doing VERY well with their products (read Lynx) even if it is not the
 ST/STE/TT/Falcon range of products. So therefore I say they are doing a
 very good marketing job.
 
 Infact in this years 0800 Santa Phone, the ATARI LYNX was the most
 requested item for all ages.
 
> people - we bought our computers because we like them.  (Although people
> take offense from 'your computer sucks' the same way people say 'your
> house sucks'.)  If the company can't market - that's their own lookout,
> they go bust, (unlikely), and little else happens.  Nothing the average
> consumer can ever say, or do (less than a smalll bomb) is going to effect
> the company at all!  (Apart from buying/not buying their machines).

 
 Well said, and Atari is still here and still going.
 


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From: aa789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce D. Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: what is the freenet TELNET NUMBER ?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:29:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce D. Nelson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, oyakea@warren1b.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake) says:

> Could some one please tell me the cleveland freenet telnet number, i lost 
> my copy.


freenet-in-a.cwru.edu
currently at 129.22.8.38

Bruce Nelson
16/32 bit support area, Cleveland Freenet
From: mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Harald Schoenfeld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Fastfix - help please
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:55:29 +0100
Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen
NNTP-Posting-Host: cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de

rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten) writes:
> 
> >There's a nifty little PD utility program called "Fast Fix" that you pop
> >in your AUTO folder and it turns off the key click and fixes the screen
> >dump so the whole screen fits on a sheet of paper.  I've been using it
> >for a long time and it's never interfered with anything.
> 
> I'm particularly interested in this 'Fast Fix' utility but can not find it
> anywhere.. Could you (read: anyone..:) possibly mail me a copy if it's 
> not too much truble as I can't seem to find it on a.a or any of the local
> BBS's.

A good way to turn the key click off is to use ATARI's XCONTROL.ACC. It
also can set up the hardcopy-routine to fit to normal Epson printers. There
are a lot of people saying XCONTROL only works on TOS 2.x and above.
I used it on an old 1040 with TOS 1.2 and 1.4 for a long time without problems.
-- 
           Harald Schoenfeld            |          I'm afraid I can't       
   (hs@cnve.rrze.uni-erlangen.dbp.de)   |             do that, Dave
From: doucet@ripolin.laas.fr (Jean-Etienne Doucet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Upload to atari.archive problem
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:31:05 GMT
Reply-To: doucet@ripolin.laas.fr
Organization: LAAS-CNRS, Toulouse (France)

Hello happy netters,
and best wishes to you all.

I've a problem with atari.archive: I can no longer access it by ftp;
any try ends like this:
----------------------- start quoting
530-
530 User anonymous access denied.
221 Goodbye.
----------------------- end quoting
I guess this is due to new access restrictions...

This would be no REAL problem if I was to download files,
as there exist mirror sites...

The question is: how can I **upload** a file ?
If anyone has any idea, I'd be glad to hear from him.

Bye.

	+-------------------------+-------------------------+
	|   Jean-Etienne DOUCET   |       LAAS - CNRS       |
	|   doucet@laas.laas.fr   |   Toulouse   FRANCE     |
	+-------------------------+-------------------------+
	| If you put your ear against a snail's shell,      |
	| you can hear its heart beat.                      |
	| Particularly when it's just been running...       |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ersmith@netcom.com (Eric R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Linea illegal?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:47:53 GMT

In article <11655@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>I've heard it mentioned a few times that the LineA interface is not
>Kosher programming.  Since when?  I've written heaps of programs that
>use LineA, and they work even on the TT.  Is the Falcon eliminating
>LineA?  I doubt it, since compatibility would drop to about 10% !!

Line A is supported only for ST compatible resolutions (I think in
practice it works on the TT compatible resolutions too, but I do
know that there are some Falcon resolutions for which it does *not*
work). In other words, if you want your program to run in any
resolution, or on any graphics card, use the VDI. Users will
appreciate this; I get very annoyed at programs that force me
to use the resolution *they* want, instead of the resolution *I*
want :-).

(This is particularly an issue for people with extended graphics
cards, such as the Matrix board, which also do not support line A).

Regards,
Eric

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rudi@igc.ethz.ch (Rudi van Drunen)
Subject: Fax software for st
Followup-To: comp.sys.atari.st
Summary: In search for fax software (PD) for atari-st
Keywords: atari, fax, PD
Reply-To: rudi@igc.ethz.ch
Organization: Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zuerich
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:44:46 GMT

Hi Netland !!

I am looking for some FAX software to use on my atari st machine,
as I recently got one of these FAX modems (ZyXEL). maybe something
exists in the public domain. 

any leads are welcome (also those to commercial products, please
mention the price)

Thanks

Rudi van Drunen

(rudi@igc.ethz.ch)



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From: peterb@compnews.co.uk (Peter Brooker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Flaky mouse
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:01:41 GMT
Organization: Computer Newspaper Services, Howden, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hops.compnews.co.uk
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Yep you have the virus known as 'The Ghost Virus', a harmless virus that only swaps the x and y coordinates around. ie up is down, left is right, easliy got rid of a simple virus killer will resolve your problem.


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From: alrashi@ecf.toronto.edu (AL RASHID SHAHIR)
Subject: A.A.U.E
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:06:05 GMT

Anybody know if anything is wrong with the server at atari.archive.umich.edu?
I have tried logging on (user: ftp) at even the oddest hours, but whenever I do
I get the "too many anonymous connectors" message. I can understand, this to
be happening on the busy hours, but I have logging on at least 50 times now.
I've even tried logging on on Saturday!! If anyone knows whats wrong, please
explain.........Thanx!

AcEzE.

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From: psteffn@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Paul Steffen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: The compatibility story (Falcon & A1200)
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:27:54 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan12.180221.507@news.uit.no> borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest) writes:
>In article <1itud1INNg96@life.ai.mit.edu> psteffn@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Paul Steffen) writes:
>>There is no way to disable the new AA [AGA] functions in the 1200.
>
>Say what?
>You can chose OCS, ECS, (or best) (O=old,E=Enhanced) to make old software
>work if it craps on the new registers.


Is this done at the hardware level??  Meaning if I select OCS at bootup
and set bit 6 of bplcon0, would the Amiga <STILL> kick into SuperHires
mode?  I don't own an A1200 so I don't know.


>
>>  Software
>>that changes the wrong bit in the bitplane control registers can still cause
>>problems.  It's ironic, though, that Commodore threatens never to release
>>another hardware manual, though.  They want people to program "cleanly" but
>>this be counterproductive.
>
>I think it is very wise of C=. Then there will not be any way for
>programmers to crash when the chips are upgraded. Of course, this depends
>on good (and fast) support from the OS.

It doesn't matter whether the hardware manual is published or not, people
will still get the information by disassembling the libraries.  You know
this!  Isn't it smarter for the information to come from Commodore?
Whether Commodore or Abacus publishes the definitive hardware reference 
manual, it's completely up to Commodore.

Personally, I have a better idea of how Commodore should upgrade the 
Amiga's video hardware next time..  LEAVE IT AS IT IS!!  Create a completely
new set of custom chip registers and modes independant of the old design.
The original chipset architecture is practically topped out with the new
AGA modes so why bother?  The design of the AGA is roughly akin to Intel
32-bit architecture in that the same basic design was updated. It seems
to work for the Falcon, anyway.

>
>>>     |  David Oakley,   ASTRAsoft shareware producers.  |\
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>#Disclaimer: This university and me does not agree.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt )
Subject: Re: ICD Host Adapter
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 07:28:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.022838.2123@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dcable@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dan Cable) writes:
>tries@obelix.kph.uni-mainz.de (Volker Tries) writes:
>> Where can I get the new ICD Software?
>
>It can be found on both GEnie and on Compuserve. ICD expressly forbids the
>re-posting of it anywhere else so you shouldn't be able to find it
>anywhere on the net unless ICD put it there.


Which I believe is massively unfair since most Atari users are NOT on GEnie
or Compuserve.  I realize that this might be different in the U.S., but this
just shows how ICD fails to perceive international markets. (And I'm willing
to bet that they sold five times as many adapters in Germany than in the U.S.)

> If you have a local ICD
>dealer they can also upgrade your software for no fee (if they will).

That's the point.  They charge DM 20 (some $13) for the new software.  While
this may not seem much, keep in mind that there have been quite a number of
revisions of the (IMO very good) ICD software, and you cannot always know
which version solves your particular problem.

To be fair, there IS the possibility to d/l their software from a mailbox in
Germany, but the long distance phone charge would be even more than DM 20 :-(

Yet another example how US mfgrs ***** their European customers.

-- Volker
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: qb7g6@fel.tno.nl (Maarten Landzaat)
Subject: Does atari.archive have a mailserver?
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:32:13 GMT

Does the atari.archive, or any of its mirrors, have a mailserver?

Pretty soon I won't be able to ftp, so I'm figuring out a way
to reach the archives with email.

Thanks!
-- 
Maarten J. Landzaat (analyst/programmer, bass player, Atari/midi freak)
BSO/Aerospace & Systems			Mail: Spuistraat 97
Email: maarten.landzaat@fel.tno.nl	      1012 SV  Amsterdam
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hasse@solace.hsh.se (Hans Holmberg)
Subject: Re: on the need for 'virtual memory'
Organization: Solace Computer Club, Sundsvall, Sweden
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 02:35:56 MET

In <C0r8vp.683@news2.cis.umn.edu> davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu writes:

>Can someone who knows the history of UNIX please comment on whether the
>early versions of UNIX 'required' virtual memory in order to work?  My
>own impressions are that the PDP computers didn't have any virtual
>memory, and that most programs that were larger than memory consisted of
>a series of intelligent overlays.  (My impression is partially formed by
>experience with UNIX 7.0 on a PDP-11/34, requiring a grand total of
>10 megabytes of hard disk space, and the fact that one of the selling
>points of the VAX series of computers was the fact that they had virtual
>address space.)

>-- DPZ

I have a friend that has an old 68k machine, which runs something called
IDRIS. It's a UNIX derivate from some *very* early version of BSD UNIX, or
maybe AT&T. It boots from a 360kb floppy disk and the machines memory is only
on 1MB I think (could be 512kB though), and it doesn't use any virtual memory.

So _my_ conclusion is that they probably didn't need virtual memory in the
start, but it was added as a feature later on. (RAM was pretty expensive back
then). 

/Hasse
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