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From:         "Cordy Swinton (CWS@PSULIAS) 814-863-1362" <CWS@PSULIAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Staplers, Kleenex and Hole-Punchers

A PSU's main library we DO sell stamps.  The Post Office has installed a
machine.  We don't sell the obvious things like pens and pencils.  The
services vary from desk to desk.  At circ we will give them scrap paper,
paper clips, staples, but no change.  At some other "service" desks they
won't give the time of day.  I guess it gets back to the type of people who
work in circ are service oriented.  Let's hear one for the underpraised
overworked good guys.

Cordy Swinton
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From:         Joanne Leary <joanne_leary@QMRELAY.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: circ policies (serials)

        Reply to:   RE>circ policies (serials)
We subscribe to about 4,000 serials titles, which include everything from
traditional periodicals which come out weekly and monthly to conference
proceedings and foreign language publications that are issued on a very
irregular basis.  Another 4,000 or so titles are not current subscriptions but
are part of our holdings as ceased publications or cancelled subscriptions.

My guess is that about half of the current-subscription serials titles are
classified as "journals" and are given an one-day loan circulation, regardless
of age.  These are non-renewable and are lent for photocopy purposes; they are
closest in spirit to Reference items.

A rather minute segment of these serials titles are lent as one-week loans
(renewable).  These are high-use conference proceedings.

The remaining titles (the bulk of what we have) are treated the same as
monographs (long-term loan, which can be four weeks or six months, depending on
the borrowing status of the user).

Joanne Leary
Cornell Engr Library
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From:         Danny Wilson <wilsond@LIB.UCSF.EDU>
Subject: Re: Change at the desk

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From: Carol Goodson/West GA College <CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@ucsfvm.ucsf.edu>
Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:11:25 EDT
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>Subject: Re: Change at the desk

>I have heard of
>some schools which have a Business Office cashier stationed in the library!
>Would that that were true here! However, I think the change problem is going
>to end for almost everyone within a few years, when the debit card thing
>takes over...we are even going to switch over to it on our campus this coming
>year, I hear....Yea!!!!!

The problem decreases but doesn't disappear.  We have been on a debit card
system for our copiers here, AND have a cashier window (staffed by copy
services)--but people still want change.  Sometimes for the phone, sometimes
to buy debit cards from the vendacard dispensing machines.  And, of course,
our cashier window is not always open when the building is, so we still get
angry patrons because of change!!!  Also, we have people angry because they
WANT to use coins for copying (sometimes they have a point--would you want
to buy a 6 copy debit card for $1 to make 1 copy?).  In other words,
problems don't disappear. . .just change--hopefully the new problems are
just not as large!
Danny J. Wilson
UCSF Library
(415) 476-5579
wilsond@knowman.lib.ucsf.edu
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From:         GEFFNER@SJC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Staplers, Kleenex and Hole-Punchers

After years of disliking handing out supplies at the circ. desk I finally
decided to bite the bullet and put some on a table in the copy center
(where the copier faculty members use is located).  Thus, patrons have
access to three staplers (including one for 30-70 page documents), a
cutting board, a pencil sharpener, paper clips, tape and a three hole punch.
I sometimes put white-out in the room but it soon disappears.  I've never
bothered with kleenex since there is a bathroom in the lobby.

For the staff at the circ. desk I supply hard candy and kleenex.

Ann Williams, SJC, Circulation
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From:         Sarah Jones <JONESS@GANDLF.UINDY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Staplers, Kleenex and Hole-Punchers

yep.... we loan it all too.  except the kleenex....
hadn't thought of that one before.

We also NEVER loan the calculator.  It's not fancy, but
we're still a manual desk (at least 'til this summer)
and we'd *die* without it for morning stats!

Interestingly, we don't have problems with complaints
about the quality of the supplies.  Our three-hole
punch isn't heavy duty, the rulers have knicks along
the edges, the paper cutter is pretty ancient, but
nobody's said anything.  Maybe it's because we're just
so darned nice behind the desk??  :)

We don't have trouble with things walking away either...
but  people generally use the stuff right at the desk.
All we lose, on a regular basis, are pens and pencils,
but I don't mind..... by this time of the semester we'cils
more than made up for the losses from the pens and pe
we've picked up from tables.



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  Sarah Jones                         University of Indianapolis
  Circulation Supervisor              Krannert Memorial Library
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  joness@gandlf.uindy.edu             Indianapolis, IN  46227
  fax: (317) 788-3275                 phone: (317) 788-3268
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From: batista@A1.RELAY.UPENN.EDU (Emily Batista)
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Subject: MLS
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Whether an MLS is appropriate depends on the level of responsibility the
Head of Circ enjoys. I have an MLS and an MBA, and before I became Head of
Circ I had eight years of professional experience (public library, state
law library, and academic library) and three years of support experience
(all academic library).  At this institution, the Head of Circ is a
high-level member of the management team, and serves on a number of Library
and University committees.  So far, after five years, I haven't become
bored yet, probably because of the number of automation projects for which
I have been responsible.

There is also a tradition of Heads of Circ here moving on into other
administrative positions.  The former Deputy Director was once Head of
Circ; the current Director of Public Services was Head of Circ before being
promoted.  I have recently served as Acting Director of Information
Systems. Here, the Head of Circ is considered one of the key management
positions because of the size and diversity of the staff supervised, and it
is considered an excellent training for other adminitrative roles.

I am convinced that one of the reasons I enjoy my job so much is the
support I get from the Director of Public Services, who does understand
circ issues very clearly. I think Rusty is right in concluding that many
more Reference than Circ librarians get promoted to Heads of Public
Service; Penn has been unusual in that respect.

BTW, I also worked in fast-food service before becoming a librarian!  On
the whole, I prefer books to hamburgers.

Emily Batista, University of Pennsylvania Libraries
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On Mon, 28 Sep 1992 11:10:22 -0400 <REYESJ@NYUACF> said:
>Yes, it's "May you live in interesting times."
>
   Well, maybe this should be transferred to libref-l, but.....I've heard
this "Old Chinese Curse" for many years....and have been unable to track
it down.  It has also been discussed on FOLKLORE and WORDS-L lists....
and if anyone can provide any verification or authentication for it,
it would be appreciated by many.  And if anyone wants to take the
question to LIBREF-L, of which I am NOT a member, feel free.

dan

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* Boise State University                                                    *
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From:         kendall <KSIMMONS%UKANVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
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I feel really badly when I hear of such horror stories of lack of support as
I know that our director's and the prior's director's response to the woman's
threat of a lawsuit would be "go ahead, sue".  We have been threatened before,
we'll be threatened again, but - funny thing - noone's ever done it.  And in
such an obvious case as the destroyed books, I can hear the response of the
judges around here...that woman would have been ripped up one side and down
the other for 1) be totally irresponsible towards public property; 2) being
utterly frivolous in bringing her lawsuit; and 3) would be told that she was
paying our legal charges as well as her own...assuming she could have ever
found an attorney dumb enough to think she had a case...as punishment.

This is not to say that our administration doesn't get pretty goofy at times,
but almost invariably we are backed to the hilt in patron/staff confrontational
situations AFTER the adminstrator has talked with the staff involved.

That makes it a whole lot easier to take patrons' crap.  And it's always fun
to find out what story they're going to tell the administration, as it usually
is just barely recognizable to those who were there and know the facts.

Kendall
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Subject:      Re: IDs

Liz,
        Ball State University has been using social security numbers plus 4
digits (to indicate duplicate ID's) since we came up on NOTIS circ., Jan.
1991.  The social security number plus 4 digits actually comes from the
Griffin System which is used by dining services on campus.  The ID is
encoded on a magnetic stripe on the back of the picture ID card.

        So far, we have not had too many problems.  The biggest drawbacks
seem to be getting the students to realize that once the original ID has
been reported lost or stolen, they may not use it if they find it and
already have a duplicate ID.  The second problem is communication between
the registrar ( the folks who encode/make the ID's) and the library.
Sometimes they do not check the information they have encoded on the ID,
then when we send the students to them to correct the ID they won't believe
that they could possibly have encoded the ID incorrectly.  We have taken to
sending a printout of the way the mag stripe scans along with the student to
the registrar.  This seems to have helped.

Julie Livingston
Ball State University
Educational Resources
Reference & Circ. Librn.
Muncie, IN 47306
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From:         kendall <KSIMMONS%UKANVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
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              24 Sep 1992 12:27:07 -0500 from
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In response to David's next comment, it suddenly occured to me to wonder if
self-service checkout WOULD be faster.  Wouldn't it depend upon how many
machines you have in a particular location, how many people are trying to
check stuff out, how many items they have, how often they've done it before,
etc?  I can imagine longer, slower lines here, with each item having to be
processed separately (am I wrong, Dan - can you run through half a dozen
books at a time and then have the machine tell you which ones are on hold
or do you have to do this separately for each item?)  We can do 10 at a time,
with the possibility of reprogramming to 20 items at a time.  If a lot of
your borrowers are first time or seldom-time users, I can imagine terrible
waits while they try to follow the instructions (they just went to a self-
service Federal Express booth here in Lawrence, and it took 3 of us 15 minutes
to read all the directions, figure out what they meant, and then follow them.
When there was a person there, the transactions would take a minute or two.
So three strangers didn't save any money in costs, but sure spent a lot longer
than before simply because none of us use FedEx on a regular basis.

Kendall
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      self-charging stations, again....

The latest Libr Technol Reports _Library Systems Newsletter_ (aug 92)
reports on page 67 that Kingsley Library Equipment Company has a new
Self Check-out/Check-in Book System that interfaces with Dynix and DRA
systems.  It can also interface with 3M and Knogo.

Contact Kingsley (who it says has been in business for 30 years in the
   library field, although unknown to me) at 714-622-5440.

dan

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* Boise State University                                                    *
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From:         mmt@BEN.DCIEM.DND.CA
Subject:      Re: Hypnosis

[Martin Taylor 921002 19:00]
(Clark McPhail 921001)

> Then I discovered with work of Theodore X. Barber, a
>psychologist who is now retired but who examined the phenomenon of hypnosis
>across a forty year span of time.  Simply stated, Barber rejects the
>"trance state" theory of hypnosis and has generated a considerable body of
>empirical evidence supporting his critique.  Further, Barber has advanced
>an alternative interpretation which turns the commonsense view of hypnosis
>on its head.  Instead of the subject-as-passive receptacle of the
>hypnotist's suggestions, Barber construes subjects as exercising variable
>degrees of imagination;  that is, they are variably capable of imagining
>the outcome the hypnotist "suggests" and then carrying out the actions
>require to fulfill what they have imagined.

I have no PCT approach to hypnosis, but I will support the claim that the
skill to be hypnotized is in the subject, rather than the skill to hypnotize
being in the hypnotist.  Here's a reference:  Hypnosis for the Seriously
Curious, K. S. Bowers,  Monterey: Brooks/Cole, 1976.

Around the time this book was published, I had a summer student whose graduate
work was with Bowers on hypnosis, and I helped them with the analysis of some
data.  The task, as I remember it (somewhat vaguely over this remove in time),
was for the subject to shadow vocal material presented through an earphone
to one ear, and to push a button when some target pattern appeared in vocal
material presented to the other ear.  Of course there were control conditions
when only one task was to be done, and all of it was done with highly skilled
hypnotic subjects under hypnosis or not.  Without going into the forgotten
details of the analysis, the result was that without hypnosis the tasks
interfered with each other, but under hypnosis they did not.  It was as if
the hypnosis could modularize the whole perceptual feedback loop so that
they did not use any common paths (in PCT terms, as if there were, for that
purpose, two separable hierarchies that in a normal state were in some
conflict).

This experiment convinced me that hypnosis is a real phenomenon.  The lack
of conflict does tie in with the notion of "variable degrees of imagination,"
since conflicts can be omitted in imagination even though they would arise
in "real life."  In the experiment, there was no intrinsic reason for conflict
between the two loops, except possibly that both ears could hear the subject's
own voice.  But in the non-hypnotic situation, there was conflict, perhaps
because in the usual real world one does not get indpendent information being
presented to the two ears.

Speculation, guesswork, non-science.  But fun.

Martin
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Subject:      Blind Men; Touting CSGnet

[from Gary Cziko 920929.0250 GMT}

Rick Marken (920928.1030) says:

>Thanks for the quotes about unifying observations in psychology. I promise
>that my next submission of the paper to a journal will present the ideas in
>the "Blind men" paper in terms of PCT as a unifying model -- and I think
>this change merits addition of your name as co-author (if you don't mind).
>When I make the revisions I'll send you a copy for your approval.

While I would love to have you add my name to a revision of this paper, I
think it would be a bit misleading if you did so just because you added
some quotes from others that I provided and wrote a bit about PCT as a
unifying model for psychology.  I think I would will need to put some of my
own words into the paper (like _the_, _of_, and _or_) for it to properly
carry my name.  If you wish to revise the paper on your own, an
acknowledgement of my suggestion would be appropriate, along with others
whose comments were helpful.

And while you're at it, why don't you try to work in a comment (or at least
a footnote) about CSGnet giving it's address?  You could also mention me
(with my e-mail address) as a source of more information about CSGnet.  I
have done this in my paper on PCT that will be out in a couple of months in
_Educational Researcher_.  I would also hope that other CSGnetters who are
publishing on PCT will mention CSGnet in their work.--Gary
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Subject:      STELLA Intro Package

[from Gary Cziko 921005.0313 GMT]

A few days ago a received an intro package for STELLA II from High
Performance Systems.

It is a very nice package indeed.  The highlight is two diskettes with the
full STELLA II program, except that you cannot save files or print.
Included are about six models from fields like biology, math, physics,
chemistry and economics which you can run and modify and run again as you
wish.  The mini-manual provides a tutorial for building your own simple
model involving animal population growth.

For anyone with a Macintosh who wants an introduction to dynamic modelling,
I highly recommend this package, especially since it's free (curiously, the
price of the full program is not mentioned anywhere that I can find it,
although I know that students on this campus can get it all for $65 if they
are enrolled in certain courses that use STELLA).

The representative that corresponded with me is Steve Peterson.  He can be
reached in Hanover, NH using e-mail <x0858@applelink.apple.com>, fax
(603.643.9502), or phone (603.643.9636).

I have yet to get information on TUTSIM to compare it to STELLA.  Greg
Williams provided only a snail mail address and I have yet to get around to
printing my letter.  If Greg has a fax or e-mail address for TUTSIM, I'd be
much obliged.--Gary

P.S.  Perhaps Bill can let us know what he found out about the possibilty
of modifying STELLA so that real-time data can be used.
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