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From: anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: what to do with stray
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:07:35 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada

deleon@hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon) writes:


>The problem is, we are moving, and we don't know what to do with her.
>Even if we could catch her and put her in our new backyard, I don't
>think she'd stay.  We can't keep her inside-- we have 3 other cats
>with feline leukemia, and I don't want her catching it.

>She seems to be relatively happy with her life overall, and I know
>she can get by without our food, but I really don't want to just leave
>her.

>Any suggestions on what to do with a stray that we have attached ourselves
>to, but can't take in?

I had the same problem a few months ago.  I had been feeding a beautiful
tabby point Siamese that would show up -- sometimes daily, sometimes less
often.  Some kind little old ladies who specialize in rescuing cats gave
me an insulated box to put outside for him, and he "lived" in there all
through an Edmonton winter (temperatures of -30C!!).  When I was away for
a few weeks, he disappeared but came back 20 minutes after I got home!!
I also couldn't adopt him; he is somewhat wild, and my cats were scared
of him (although he was NEVER aggressive towards them.)  Anyway, my
landlords also started feeding him -- and then DISASTER!!  - they sold
the house and we all had to move.  After much debate they decided to
try and move him over to their new place (which is near a ravine, has
lots of trees, etc.).  They have two dogs but he was used to avoiding
them :):).  

Anyway, we planned this SWAT-team type operation for one day
after work.  We all arrived from different parts of town, we had his
box "renovated", brought food, catnip (which he LOVES), gardening gloves
(to pick him up), TWO cages, etc., etc., etc.  Net result:  while he
was eating I picked him up (no problem), dropped him in the cage (fine),
we put him in the van -- and he just sat there staring around like "Wow,
isn't this interesting?"  (And you should have seen the amount of 
screaming and hollering when I had to transport my two "civilized"
kitties to their new home!!)  Anyway, they took him back to the new
place, put food and catnip by his box and let him out.  Last time I
talked to them, he was showing up every day or two, and not even eating
all the food they put out.  He seemed to know this was his new home, and
went off to explore the neighborhood.  I think that he too has been
abused/neglected -- and it would take a LOT of work 
to make him a housecat, but the move worked out fine.

Didn't mean to ramble on at such length -- but I know exactly what you're
going through.  Just wanted to pass on one such scenario -- and the (till
now) happy ending.  Good luck!!  
>	
Anne
From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Naming cat behaviors
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:57:27 GMT
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company

In article <HANNAH.92Aug19132640@pomponio.ai.sri.com>, hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah) writes:
>As long as we're naming cat behaviors, how about alternate names for
>the insane running around that has been called "the crazies"?  

My wife calls it "bent-tailing".  I'm not quite sure why.

When you hold your hand a foot or so above their head and they jump
up on their back feet to rub their head against your hand, we call it
a "penguin".  Ivy will do this on demand, with nearly 100% repeatability.

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From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Can we all get along?
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:24:35 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <BsxMpx.Kn7@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, belld@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (David Bell) writes:
> 
> Upon moving to a larger apartment, we adopted a third cat from the shelter.
> Now there is frequent hissing, growling and fighting, sometimes even 
> between the two cats that have lived together for the last year.  Is this
> likely to last for long, and if not what can be done to ease the transition?

Yep, it's going to last until they have the new pecking order straightened
out, territories established, and house rules laid down.  Best thing you
can do is stay out of it unless someone is getting mauled.  If we're
to the "serious damage from fighting" stage, separate the cats for a few
days and then try again.

Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ssnyder@sunai.er.usgs.gov (Steve Snyder)
Subject: Re: Question: Kitty pawing around floor around other cat's dish.
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey, Reston VA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:15:17 GMT

In article <65673@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1167b@prism.gatech.EDU (Christie Jean Shackelford) writes:
>Fermi's annoying habit is ignoring the dry food that is already
>in her dish and wanting "fresh" dry food.  I can trick her into
>eating the existing stuff by dropping a few morsels of new into
>the dish, which makes her dig in!
>
>Meow!
When my kitties do this, I've been able to trick them by simply
picking up their bowl, pretending to put more food in, stir it
a little to make it sound like I'm adding more, and then putting
the bowl back on the floor. Usually works, though I wonder if
they really believe I'm adding more.

Steve

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: hcls7@jetson.uh.edu (Marino, Nancy F.)
Subject: Re: Young Kitty/Older kitty
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:02:00 GMT

In article <QeZDqhe00UhWA27HVc@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Carol A. Buckner" <cb30+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
>I've had Brandy for 7 years and am about to get another kitty tomorrow. 
>Brandy is rather spoiled and sometimes jealous.  Any suggestins as to
>how to help my these two babies get along?  Separate Litter Boxes, food
>dishes, etc?  Help!?!
> 
>Carol Buckner
>Carnegie Mellon University 
>            
>Trivia is so unimportant, but if we had none what would we talk about?
It will take a bit of time and patience, mostly patience. Separate litter boxes
and dishes are a must. They'll decide when they want to share. There will be a
bit of hissing going on, especially when the kitten approaches Brandy. My cat
was 9 when we got a kitten last year, and she moped for a while and hissed and
booed. That went on for a week or two. Within a month or so they were
inseparable. I think it's nice for them to have the company of another feline,
especially if you work all day or go out of town frequently. Good luck!
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: kjenks@krakatoa.uucp (Kenneth C. Jenks [GM2] 483-4368)
Subject: Re: Naming cat behaviors
Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:48:15 GMT

In article <4066@n7kbt.rain.com> john@n7kbt.rain.com (John Opalko) writes:
>In article <HANNAH.92Aug19132640@pomponio.ai.sri.com> hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah) writes:
>>
>>As long as we're naming cat behaviors, how about alternate names for
>>the insane running around that has been called "the crazies"?
>

When I lived with my folks in Illinois, we had a split level house
with hardwood floors.  Our older cat, Rorschach was a hefty 18 lb
(neutered) tom.  When he thundered about, racing up & down the stairs
we called it "playin cow" since it sounded like a cow was upstairs.

When we got Sunday - a petite 6 lb long hair girl cat, I dubbed her
racing about "playing calf".  

With the math team (Sine & Cosine) we just call it elevenses, even
though 2 am is the preferred time.

Lisa Jenks on the ever tolerant hubby's account

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Subject: Re: Advice on Allergies
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
Date: 17 Aug 1992 11:05 EST  

In article <1992Aug17.033825.2434@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes...
> 
>Hi!
> 
>	My husband and I just moved into a 2 bedroom apartment (a really small
>apartment), and although Eric desperately wants a cat, alas, I am allergic.

Karen,


	I love cats. I *almost* wouldn't be without cats... but when it 
comes to life-threatening allergies, I have to say that even *trying* to co
-exist with a cat would be foolhardy indeed. A friend of mine at work has 
asthma (sp? ) and is trying to keep her dog and get by, and she's spent some 
time in the hospital in pretty bad shape over the deal. 

While constant bathing *may* offer some relief, is it really worth the risk ?

Just my $.02 worth.

> 
-- Stephen

	The smallest light offered in total darkness is a blinding
	beacon of hope.
From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Organization: gater 'r us
Subject: Re: Kitten won't use scratching post
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:30:56 EST

In <66147@hydra.gatech.EDU>, Christie Shackelford writes:
>
>Since Dixie is going to be an indoor kitty, I got her a scratching post
>to use, but haven't been able to convince her to use it (she seems to
>prefer the couch). 

try smearing it with catnip.  usually works for me.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Allergies - Soapless bath?
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:28:47 GMT
Reply-To: amd@space.mit.edu (Ann M. Davis)
Organization: MIT Center for Space Research


>, maxwell@venice.sedd.trw.com (Debra Maxwell) writes:
> 
> Well, they said if you give your cats
> a soapless bath once a month for approx. 9
> months you won't have a problem with the
> saliva anymore.  


I've been following the same route, and I've heard this basic
sentence repeated.  My question is the word "soapless".  Does
it matter if you use shampoo?  Is a soapless bath anything more
than pouring water over the cat a couple of times?

	Ann
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: clhoerth@david.wheaton.edu (Cathe L Hoerth)
Subject: Re: What do you think?
Organization: Wheaton College, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:33:27 GMT

That cute thing that cats do with their paws (my cat is 14 and she still
does it, so it's not a kitten thing) - we've always called it "kneading"
or "making starfish paws".  I like the latter a lot better, but I
honestly don't know where it came from.

I'd like to just post a short eulogy for my cat who died last summer but
is still much missed - Ace, a 12-pound all black (well, okay, he was
black-on-black stripes, but only when stretched out in sunlight) fixed
boy-cat who was never anything but a joy.  He died at 13 from feline
leukemia (it was about a month between our noticing the lumps and having
him put down because he was in too much pain and it would only have been
a couple more weeks of constant suffering.  I held him and petted him
while he fell asleep, and it was absolutely shattering.).  He was a
wonderful boy, an indoor/outdoor with all his claws who never scratched
or bit except accidentally and then was always sorry, who spoke three or
four different languages and had a several octave, very pleasant
speaking voice, and who was king of his territory, defending in battle
not only his sister, Sugar, but also the neighbor's tiny Siamese when
bigger cats tried to pick on her.  This eulogy is getting longer than I
planned, so I'll stop here, but I miss him and always will.  He left
behind his sister, who seems to have adopted some of his personality
traits in his absence.

Which brings me, in a roundabout way, to my question - what are some of
your silliest pet names for your pet?  I call Sugar such things as
"Muffin-pet" "Copper-nose" "White-ears" "Nuisance" "Brat-Cat" "Furball"
and, embarrassingly, "Snufflenose".  This is just a random sampling -
I'm wondering what silly things you all have come up with.

			Whew!  I'll stop here.
				Cathe
"Dogs come when they're called - cats take the message and get back to
you."
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ssnyder@sunai.er.usgs.gov (Steve Snyder)
Subject: Re: Advice on Allergies
Organization: U.S. Geological Survey, Reston VA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:57:16 GMT

In article <17AUG199211050955@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes:
>In article <1992Aug17.033825.2434@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes...
>> 
>>Hi!
>> 
>>	My husband and I just moved into a 2 bedroom apartment (a really small
>>apartment), and although Eric desperately wants a cat, alas, I am allergic.
>
>[etc]
>While constant bathing *may* offer some relief, is it really worth the risk ?
>
>-- Stephen

There is a breed of cat that is hairless (Devon Rex?). Would this be
more acceptable to someone with asthma? 

Steve
From: dhyams@autelca.ascom.ch (David Hyams)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Spray bottles (was: New cat ...  will not sleep at night)
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:07:54 GMT
Organization: Ascom Autelca AG, Guemligen, Switzerland

edr@gtech.com (Eric D. Remington) writes:


>	My father "trained" one of my cats not to jump up on the bed ... 
>	by using a spray bottle. Every time she jumped on the bed, she got a 
>	squirt. Did not take long at all. 

This is the method I use, although I've only had mixed success. 
My cats quickly stopped using the HiFi speakers as scratching posts (hooray!),
but I can't get them to stop scratching on the bedroom door during the night.
The cats have learnt to scratch the door and then run away to a safe distance
just in case I open the door with a spray bottle in my hand! Any ideas what I 
can do to stop them scratching on the door?

>	The downside is that she is really
>	not a lap fungus anymore, you *REALLY* have to invite her to get on the
>	bed/lap, and not have any spray bottle in sight !

I've had no such problems. Although I have noticed that the cats get rather 
nervous and give me strange looks when I use the spray bottle when ironing...

David Hyams
Berne, Switzerland.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: HF.CLN@forsythe.stanford.edu (Cynthia Ng)
Subject: Re: How long cats live (was Re: Indoor cat wants out)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:38:10 GMT

My indoor only cat lived to be 14.
From: syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sid Yearick)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Advice on Allergies
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:54:53 GMT
Reply-To: syearick@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Sid Yearick)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.pets.cats, ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes:
>Hi!
>
>        My husband and I just moved into a 2 bedroom apartment (a really small
>apartment), and although Eric desperately wants a cat, alas, I am allergic.
>
>        I was just reading this post, and a lot of people have mentioned
>that bathing cats helps reduce allergants.  The problem here is that I am
>a severe, chronic asthmatic, and cats getting into my face make me ill.  Is
>this bathing method effective enough for people like myself, for whom
>casual contact with cats can be life threatening?
>

There is an article in the latest issue of Cat Fancy that pertains to
people with allergies.  Bathing does help, and there are special shampoos
that also help.  My daughter-in-law is asthmatic, and they have one
cat (alex) and she doesn't seem to have a problem.  Again, the Cat Fancy
magazines have great articles on everything.  My daughter and I have severe
sinus problems and three of the five are long hair cats.  They get a bath
at least once a month and combed as much as we can.  The dander(sp) is
the problem that gets us.

>        I have also read two little tidbits on cats, and I am wondering
>about their validity.  1)  Do cats kill roaches? and 2) Is it true that
>Manx cats are easier on allergy sufferers than other varieties?
>
>        Thanks in advance!

Kepurr and Tigger love to catch bugs.  Tigger can get a fly in motion.
Kepurr is getting old, and can't do as well anymore.  They all
(Keppur/Muffin/Tigger/Teal/Yogi) love to get cricketts.  With the crickett
it's a running battle for me to catch them and put them out before the
cats can get to them.  When they do catch bugs they love to eat them.
I have no idea about a Manx, except that it is short hair, that may be
part of the reason they say it is easier of allergy sufferers.

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From: william@chopin.udel.edu (Wild William)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Pot Bellied Pigs
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:44:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware

We just bought a PBP and need some info:

 1. whent to take to vet for shots/neutering etc?
 2. how to litter/leash/outdoors train?
 3. any basic training ideas?

Bill York
william@chopin.udel.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: jberetta@lib.uwo.ca (Janet Beretta)
Subject: FERRET from hell and Puppy
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:04:17 GMT
Originator: jberetta@lib.uwo.ca


Hello;

I am writing on behalf of my sister who is without Net access but with
Ferret! Felix is 9 months old and (finally) well-trained, fun with a
sweet disposition. He was extremly nippy, but it seemed that was
overcome with training recently. Until....Jake came along, the 13
week-old Golden Lab. Now Jake LOVES Felix and Felix LOVES Jake and
they play together both wondering where each has been all their lives.
Except, Felix bites Jake's jowls when they are playing to the point of
drawing blood. This happens 2-3 times each time they play! My sister
has supervised them, scolding Felix. She has tried everything. He
doesn't seem to know how to be gentle with Jake, but he DOES know what
that word means and is gentle with people when told to be. He is often
around my toddler and has never nipped her.

Any suggestions? Poor Jake is going to have scarred lips!

Please E-Mail me as I don't get the opportunity to catch up much with
rec.pets these days.

Thanks for any suggestions. They are much appreciated.

Janet  
-- 
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*  University of Western Ontario  |   even sing 		      *
*  Libraries			  |   I'm very scared for this world  *
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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: jim@uvmark.uucp (Jim Todhunter)
Subject: Request for Newf. Info.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 21:14:17 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

Well, I suppose the subject says it all.  I would like some information
about Newfs from those with firsthand experience.  Specifically,

   What is their temperment like?

   Are they people oriented?

   How are they with children?

   What are their space and exercise requirements?

   How long is their life expectancy?

   Would a new Newf be a suitable addition to a home already inhabited by
   an older (7.5yr) old male Golden?

   Is their anything else I should want to know about them?

Please, respond via e-mail if possible.

Thanks, 

Jim Todhunter

-- 
James W. Todhunter, Director, Research & Development
jim%uvmark@merk.com
VMark Software, Inc.  30 Speen Street  Framingham, MA  01701-1800 USA
Telphone: (508) 879-3311  Facsimile: (508) 879-3332
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: gittel@nynexst.com (Kathleen Gittel)
Subject: test
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 18:17:22 GMT

test
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: K_LEPA@unhh.unh.edu (Kristen   Lepa)
Subject: Re: Setters
Organization: University of New Hampshire
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:11:04 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.12

In <seZFBna00iUxM2Skl8@andrew.cmu.edu> sk2i+@andrew.cmu.edu writes:

> 
>  This is the first time i have posted on this bboard, so please excuse
> any mistakes or type O's with this posting.
>         Recently my Irish Setter pased away (14 years old). This dog was
> a great companion and my family is missing him very much. We are
> considering another setter because of this dog's enjoyment throughout
> the years.
>          I have a few questions about a setter I had seen a few years ago.
> The setter seemed to have all the marking and traits of an Irish Setter
> with the exception he was black. I have asked a few people if they new
> what type of setter this may have been. Someone suggested it was a dog
> not to common but is of a breed. My questions are:
> 1) What is the type or breed of this Setter?
> 2) Do they have similar character or attitude of the Irish Setter?
> 3) How rare are they?
> 4) Would the cost (apprx.) one would pay, be much more than the Irish
> Setter (A.K.C. registered)? 
> 5) Do these dogs act differently, such as temperment or attitude, from
> that of the Irish Setter? 
> 
> Any information regarding this breed of dog would be appreciated.
> 
>                                                 Steve Klim - C.M.U.


There's also the Gordon Setter and the English Setter.  If memory serves,
the Gordon is Doberman-colored and the English was white with liver or
orange markings.  I think the temperament of the Gordon is different than
the other two setters.  I can dig up the book if you want more info.

	-Kristen

k_lepa@unhh.unh.edu
From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Hegin's Pigeon Shoot
Keywords: Fund for Animals
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:55:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware

The Fund for Animals is sponsoring a demonstration against the
barbaric annual "pigeon shoot" at Hegins, PA, on Monday, Labor
Day, September 7, 1992.  You can leave on chartered buses from
Harrisburg.  The ride costs $11.00.  

The demonstration usually brings lots of media and appeared to
be a major act in the ongoing animal rights movement.  So I'm
surprised that no one has discussed it on the net.  I'm not a
member of the Fund for Animals but I'm thinking of going.  The
literature that the Fund mails out from their headquarters (850
Sligo Ave #LL2, Silver Spring, MD 20910; 301-585 2591) says that
thousands are convening from all over the country.

Will anyone from netland be there?
 


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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Subject: Exspot -- warning to cat owners
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:04:30 GMT


I witnessed something very sad at the vet's this
weekend and thought i would pass it on in hopes
other tragedies can be avoided.  A woman came in
carrying a kitten (I'd guess it was 7-9 weeks old).
The kitten was in convulsions.  The owner also had
dogs and had applied Exspot and the kitten had
licked her hands before she washed them.  Three
doctors and three technicians worked on the kitten
for an hour, but she died later that evening.  A
few hours later, the woman came back with the kitten's
brother who was also in convulsions.  The rescue
efforts were more effective with him and he is alive
and has gone home, although it's still too early to
know if he will suffer any long-term damage from
the episode.

My vet says Exspot is known to be poisonous to cats,
and she would suspect that rabbits can't handle it,
either.  She doesn't think it is poisonous to dogs,
but if i were using it i think i would be extremely
careful to scrub my hands thoroughly after applying
it no matter what animals were around.
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.best.of.internet