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From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Query after Andrew
Date: 27 Aug 92 05:19:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.714969221.F00003

CM>  From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
CM>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
CM>
CM>  Was that hurricane Duke Sir by any chance?

From the look of the remains of mundane Trimaris, that was Hurricane 
Emperor Andrew-Your-Magnificence-please-don't-do-it-again!
<with suitable groveling>

It looks like a quarter million folks sleeping in the streets. Worse than 
the Great Fire of London, IP...if with less loss of life.

Moreach NicMaolain 
 
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Query after Andrew
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:38:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.202914.758@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>This is a request to any of our Trimarian cousins who aren't busy
>cleaning up in the wake of Andrew . . .
>
>Any status for those of us that are worried about how you came through
>the storm?  If you're busy cleaning up--please let us all know later,
>but if you've the time, how did SCA folk in the storm area do?
>
>On a side point--consider this to be a request for news from Meridies
>in a couple of days as well . . .
>
>If there's anything we can do to help out--please pass the word.

Was that hurricane Duke Sir by any chance?

Smileant.

Corun



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From: haslock@rust.zso.dec.com (Nigel Haslock)
Subject: Re: Rain gear - was Re: Pennsic in brief
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:55:27 GMT

While high thread counts have been recorded, I feel that they have little
bearing on the subject of oiled cloth.

I remember some oil cloth that my mother obtained to make into rain wear in 
the early sixties. The fabric was light and simply woven, i.e. tabby. It was
heavily impregnated so that it had a wonderful tendency to stick to itself.
Pulling it apart produced velco like screams.

As pack away raingear it would not have worked. A shower would pass over while
you were fighting to open it up. It would have made wonderful waterproof 
pouches. It think that all we got out of it was a couple of rain hat, thickly
lined and with wide stiffened brims in the sou'wester style.

Perhaps it would work if the oil treatment was very light, but you can achieve
that by spraying stuff with scotchguard. I would think that the result would
be as effective too.

Finally, if you want to see what high thread count fabric looks and feels like,
search you favorite cloth store for ticking. Check out down comforters and the
like. 200 thread per inch fabric is commonly used to hold feathers and down.
The density of the fabric is necessary to stop the quills from penetrating and
so escaping. Achieving this density in linen is not difficult. Doing it in
wool might be, but felting wool woven at a lower density should produce as
dense a fabric and the normal processing of wool effectively felted it.

	Fiacha - speaking from memory so don't assume that this is true
	         until someone else confirms it.
From: kleber@husc10.harvard.edu (Gwydden)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Town Battle
Date: 26 Aug 92 03:43:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc10.kleber.714800618

I said:

 >Perhaps to the fighters-- but observers wouldn't be able to see anything 
 >then!  Unless, of course, clear lines-of-sight were left open, but that would
 >defeat the purpose.

Quoth Hal Ravn:

> One of the truisms about the SCA is that we don't do our thing for
> *spectators*, but for ourselves.  I don't see making things difficult
> to watch to be an intrinsic problem--even though I love to watch.  The
> battle should be geared to give as much realism to the *fighters* as
> possible, not to the spectators.

Good point-- i had been responding to a post that mentioned that the
village battle had looked like the bridge battle, to observers, which is
what got me on that train of thought.  The fighters definitely didn't seem
to feel the two battles were similar!

In the closing stages of the village battle this year, some huts actually 
*did* develop opaque walls, as marshalls (wrapped in yellow tape-- carrying 
their own non-hard-hat are, as it were) lined the haybales to supervise the
inside-hut battles.  Too bad that's not reasinable for the whole battle; 
wouldn't have to worry about the walls staying up then...

---------

Ellisif mentioned that going up on the hill could provide a good view
of the village battle.  Was the archery suspended during the battle, then?
I was a bit disappointed that we couldn't go up to the hill to watch the 
field battle because the archery was going at the same time.

--Gwydden                                 I don't have an overactive
  Borough of Duncharloch, Carolingia      imagination... I have an
--kleber@husc.harvard.edu                 underactive reality...  --EG
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Colored tape
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 21:07:23 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!

Why do we use colored tape to identify sides in large battles?  By doing
so, we are introducing a modern solution to a problem that we could be
solving in medieval ways.  Confusion of sides happened in medieval warfare
and tournaments, and they developed ways to deal with it: heraldry, war
cries, and strategies that prevented this kind of confusion.  Am I missing
something?  If not, why don't we do away with it once and for all?

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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
From: branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: bunny round and other weird words
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:23:25 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug27.213437.17886@ecst.csuchico.edu> rodmur@ecst.csuchico.edu (The Terminally Bored) writes:
>In article <BtnItz.By0@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:
>>I have never encountered either the term "bunny round" or the thing itself
>>outside of the West and Caid.

>I don't know if the name is used outside the West but I know that Duke
>Jade of Starfall likes to use a "bunny round", and it seems to be a
>shield of preferance with Misties in general.

A bunny round is actually a short Spanish half-round, initially popularized
by Radnor of Guildemar, and exceedingly popular among Guildemarians (Radnor's
household, squires, ex-squires, and ex-squire's squires). It's also called
the Radnor round.

Branwen ferch Emrys
The Mists, the West
--
                                          Karen Williams
                                          branwen@cerebus.ras.amdahl.com
"Don't whine. Warrior women speak in a husky whisper."
  -- Brat Pack #3
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Historical Accuracy (was Re: COVINGTON CROSS)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:23:12 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Aug28.160818.22537@samba.oit.unc.edu> Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ann Feeney) writes:

>You are _not_ alone.  I remember seeing Robin Hood (Costner)
>and the group I was with spent about fifteen minutes griping about
>the Sheriff saying "You, 10:30, you, 10:45" or whatever it was...
>I think a lot of enjoyment is lost in expecting non-SCA activities
>to hold up to our standard of authenticity, especially as they
>never intended to in the first place.  

Well, even if I never heard of the SCA and knew absolutely
nothing about history, Robin Hood still wouldn't live up to
my standard of authenticity.  Remember the baby that Morgan
Freeman's character delivered -- the only baby ever born
without an umbilical cord?  (You heard the baby being
delivered, then saw Freeman walk out of the tent carrying
the infant -- no time to tie or cut the cord.)


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From: mike@xenlink.cuc.ab.ca (Mike Johnson)
Subject: two threads became one
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:36:35 GMT

 Unto fellow travelers on the bridge Greetings,

While reading through the digests the other day 2 entirly unrelated 
threads put the following some what twisted thought into my head which I
now post for you: 

	Given that we now have been reminded that a consort must be of the opposite
sex and a member in good standing and ... that we have at least 2 squires who
are members of the animal kingdom. ( 1 dog & 1 cat that I know of). ]
At least one of which has a SCA membership. What are the requirements for

Species????      GRINNNN......

Lordship Sgt. James D'Orleans 
		MKA Mike Johnson at mike@xenlink.cuc.ab.ca
	Norman pig,Saxon Dog they're all just a bunch of Land Hungry Animals.
From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander))
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Drachenwald to be kingdom
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:35:53 GMT
Organization: The Rialto

Tibor writes:
>
>Since I was
>standing behind the East Realm thrones, helping with the Heraldry,
>I can't be sure of the impression given the populace.
>
>[....]
>
>Since the formal petition doesn't have to go through the East, and
>must go through the Board, frankly, the whole court thing was just
>schtick.  If the petition fails to carry, the whole game that was
>played in court is ignored.
>
>I would venture to say that the vast majority of the population that
>attended Pennsic now expects to see Drachenwald go Kingdom sometime
>before next Pennsic.  Perhaps the wrong impression was given.
 
Well, I can tell you what the impression of this member of the 
populace was.  I, like the vast majority of the people at 
Pennsic, wasn't at court and heard about the Drachenwald 
announcement through the grapevine.  My impression, and I believe 
the impression of most people, was that the BoD had approved 
Drachenwald's petition, the Eastern Crown had assented, and it 
was now just a matter of putting the machinery in place and 
holding a Crown tourney.  Why else would they have made a big 
deal about it in court?  I was astonished to learn that not 
only has the BoD not approved Drachenwald's petition, but no 
petition has been made and the population hasn't even been 
polled.  Given this state of affairs, I cannot understand why 
the subject was brought up in court at all.
 
Alexander of Kiev                       Carolingia, East

Carl Alexander                          Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass.
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu 
From: Joe.Bethancourt@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Bethancourt)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: how to fold/wear gre
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 23:50:08

 -=> Boris said to All on 08-21-92  00:54 <=- 

 Bo> Joe.Bethancourt@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Bethancourt) writes:

 > Some points: the pouch/sporran should be worn -on- the belt, not from the
 > more modern chain affair, and the Skean Dubh was worn under the armpit or

 Bo> Do not wear a sporran. It grew out of the english drawstring belt
 Bo> pouch.  I doubt if it's even period.  use something along the lines of
 Bo> the  english of your century.

Au contraire! The drawstring sporran, usually advertised as a "Rob Roy"
or the like, is -quite- period for the great kilt...if worn on the belt.

Though the extra cloth makes great pockets too.....I used to carry a brace
of pistols in there when I was active with the White Rose Society.

                                                -Ioseph of Locksley
                                                 Grumpy Bard

... If guns are outlawed, how can we shoot the Royals?
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10

 * Origin: Herald's Point * Steppes/Ansteorra * 214-699-0057 (1:124/4229)
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: COVINGTON CROSS
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:59:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.715047126.F00002

MM>  From: mcconnel@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu (Mike McConnell)
MM>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

MM>  |> I hope somebody out there looked at CC as the mind candy it is and
MM>  tasted the sweetness.
MM>  |>

Amen!

MM>  On the subject of realism, lets talk about accents.
MM>  ...what makes you
MM>  think that British Received Pronunciation (a.k.a BBC English, Public
MM>  School
MM>  English) is any more aauuthentic as a representation of fourteenth
MM>  century
MM>  accents than Great American English. ...?

Indeed. There is a debate that occasionally flares up on soc.culture.british 
that has more or less come to the conclusion that common American speech 
probably sounds a bit *more* like Old English that modern British patterns.

(Emmigrant cultures tend to be way more conservative of old-country speech 
and spelling, and many other things, while the mother culture feels no need 
to conserve much of it at all that isn't pragmatic.)


MM>     Hlaford, thu clepedest me
MM>     Ond ic nach ne andswaredest the
MM>     Bute wordes slowe and slepe
        [etc.]

And this would sound to all our ears much more like Dutch, than anything we 
speak today.

Moreach 
 
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: almost live steel.
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:29:00 GMT

Hal Ravn wrote:
  The SCA insurance isn't intended to cover damage to SCA folk--it's
  primarily liability to cover the folks we rent sites from.  If you
  really want to pursue this--call Hilary.

Or, I could send to you a copy of the information Hilary sent me.
I posted it on the Rialto about two months ago.  Email me if you
are interested.

	Tibor (schuldy@progress.com)
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander))
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Rain gear - was Re: Pennsic in brief
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:40:31 GMT
Organization: The Rialto

jael@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jael) writes:
>.... Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander) writes:
>>.... I seem to recall 
>>reading somewhere that fairly light-weight, water-repellant silks 
>>were developed in period.  If this is correct, then a silk rain 
>>poncho would be period, and would probably have the advantage of 
>>packing even smaller than a nylon one....
> 
>I haven't seen waterproof silk in the fabric stores, but I did recently see
>a "waterproof poplin."  It was a mostly cotton fabric (10-15% poly or nylon, I
>think) that looked like one of those polished cotton fabrics, with a normal 
>side and a shiny side.  
>
>I gave some thought to making a cloak of this poplin....  It was very, 
>very thin, and had kind of a stiff feel to it.  
>
I have a Ralph Lauren rain jacker made of a light, thin 100% cotton 
material that sounds much like this.  Perversely, this jacket is 
machine washable but quite sucessful at keeping the rain off.  It 
works because the thread count is so high -- I haven't actually 
counted  ;^)  but it appears to be well over 200 tpi.  Unfortunately,
I am given to understand that such tight weaves in cotton were only 
made possible by the invention of the steam loom in the 19th C.
This fabric is also, as Jael noted, quite stiff, and I doubt that 
it could take being waddded up & stuffed into a belt pouch 
repeatedly without deteriorating in fairly short order.
 
I suspect that if there was water-repellant silk in period, it was 
a matter of treating good-quality, tightly-woven fine silk with 
some sort of wax or oil.  A lady I ran into at a fabric store over 
the weekend (a 'textile artist'; I'm honestly not quite sure what 
that means) gave me a pointer to a book on Japanese silk-working 
techniques, in which she thinks she saw a discussion of a medieval 
technique of this sort.  I'll be looking for the book at the library 
this week; if there turns out to be decent documentation for such 
a technique, I'll let the Rialto know.
 
Ciao,
 
Alexander of Kiev                       Carolingia, East

Carl Alexander                          Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass.
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu
From: jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: fighting styles
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:22:41 GMT
Organization: The Internet


>                                                              Any other
>styles have odd names?

The most memorable is a fencing style, rapier et poulet gauche.  A
rapier in the right hand, and a chicken (usually rubber) as a parrying
weapon in the other....

Tio d'abaco
From: dew@ecl.psu.edu (Dur, Aga-Khan)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: What Heraldry?
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:32:45 GMT
Organization: Orluk Oasis

In article <714905362.F00003@ocitor.fidonet>, Joe.Bethancourt@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Bethancourt) writes:
> 
>                                                 -Ioseph of Locksley
>                                         who is a Loathsome Baron, too
>                                         and who is Grumpy

Fine set of dwarves we make, Nasty (me), Grumpy (you), Dumpy (Silver)...so 
who's Dopey?

As to you pronouncement that I have heraldry, this has been true for some 
time--however, what I have is not mine (what I turned in is not even close to 
what I got) but some other poor schmuck's badge assigned to me (which some 
heralds have mistake for my arms, even though the Ordinary says badge!

I'm still not finished!  (Trust All'ah, but tie up your heralds...)

Salam,
> 
-- 
Dale E. Walter     |Dur of Hidden Mountain          
dew@ecl.psu.edu    |Orluk Oasis on the War Road (of Aethelmarc)

"I'm the Baron!  Ya gotta loath me!"
From: vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: bunny round and other weird words
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:56:42 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <180cihINN2vv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bq434@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael A. Chance) writes:
)In a previous article, T. Archer says (commenting on Sir Otto's quote):
 
)>>How about "port-a-fort" for a _large_ shield.

)>Also known as the "Meridian WarDoor."

)And known in Ansteorra as a "small tourney shield". 8-)

)Mikjal Annarbjorn
)(who left Ansteorra just after he discovered that most of his opponent's
)shields were bigger than he is - you can't hit what you can't see! 8-)

	Sure there is.  The tactic was first described to me as (then)
Earl Lloyd von Acker's fighting style (Lloyd is not excessively tall):

You just climb up the face of the shield, sit on top of it and beat them
about the head and shoulders until they fall down.

It certainly seemed to work for him...

Kwellend-Njal
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From: patmcg@home.merit.edu (Pat McGregor)
Subject: Re: period fabrics
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:10:49 GMT

sherman@trln.lib.unc.EDU ("Dennis R. Sherman") writes:

>recent in the series of books from The Museum of London detailing
>information found in several archeological sites in the city of
>London.  The previous books in the series are _Knives and Scabbards_,
>_Shoes and Pattens_, and _Dress Accessories_.  I know that one on
>horse accessories is in the works. 

>information from memory.  It is available from HMSO Books (That's Her
>Majesties Stationery Office) in London.  They run a 24 hour order line
>at 01-44-71-873-9090.  An international call isn't all that expensive,
  
I knew there was a reason I picked up the Museum of London's catalogue
while I was in London. Copies available for an SASE.
 


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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Inspiration (was Re: consort gender)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 20:04:48 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!  Linda wrote:

> I've had gentleman that I don't know walk up to me the evening before a
> crown and ask if they could fight for me.

There is a difference between asking a gentle to be your inspiration, and
ask her to serve as your queen.  At any other tourney, the lord's gesture
would have been a courtesy and a compliment, which you could accept or
decline as you saw fit.  At a Crown Tourney, it was a foolish presumption
and perhaps even an insult: It suggested that the lord either did not take
(or understand) the responsibilities of ruling seriously enough to devote a
single day's thought to them, or that he really had no intention to try to
win.  In either case, your proper response was to decline politely.

This is a distinction that the East has reinforced through law, by
requiring both combattant and consorts to state in advance their intent to
compete in Crown Tourney.

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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com