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From: dudley@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Karen Witkoski)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Help with Pumpkin Muffins Receipe
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:01:36 GMT
Expires: 1 Dec 92 05:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: dudley@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Karen Witkoski)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NSWC, Annapolis, Maryland

I tried to email Linda M. Koch, who posted a wonderful receipe for pumpkin
muffins, but my email was returned from the postmaster.  So Linda, if
you see this post please email me @   dudley@oasys.dt.navy.mil, or post
on this newsgroup.

I tried to make pumpkin muffins according to Linda's receipe but my
muffins turned out too moist...almost uncooked.  I baked them for as
long as I could without burning them.  The tope was done, but the inside
and bottom were raw.  This is Linda's receipe.

PUMPKIN MUFFINS

2/3 c. nonfat milk (powdered milk)
6 T. flour
2 tsp. pumpkin pie spice
1 tsp. cinnamon
1 tsp. baking soda
1/3 c. brown sugar substitute
1 tsp. vanilla
2 eggs (or equivalent egg substitute)
1 c. pumpkin
1/2 c. grated carrots
4 T. raisins or 1 c. applesauce


Mix all together.  Place in (pam) sprayed muffin pans.  Bake in 350
degree F oven about 18-20 minutes (may need to be longer when using
applesauce option).

I think my mistake was to take to nonfat powdered milk and add to water
to make 2/3 cup.  Please let me know what I did wrong.  They smelled
great and the tops tasted good.  But I couldn't serve them to anyone.
Please help me.  I'd love to make these for Thanksgiving.

Thanks

Karen Witkoski
dudley@oasys.dt.navy.mil
(410) 267-3337
Naval Surface Warfare Center
Code 2812
Annapolis, MD  21402-5067
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From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Subject: Re: 1300 cal/day, why?
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:23:10 GMT

It seems like some people are of the belief that their metabolism is
cast in stone.  But I think that an individual has a great deal of
control over how much they can consume and use calorie-wise.  I think
if you've starved yourself into a slow metabolism you can recover
a heartier metabolism by increasing your muscles.  I've increased my 
metabolism by weight-lifting and walking.

I always notice a sharp increase in how often I feel hungry when I 
lift weights.  That's probably a pretty good indication that my
metabolism is increasing too.
--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
From: jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Limiting exercise
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:54:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jsl@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu

I got a real lesson this past weekend.  On Saturday I went walking and
did 6+ miles without too much discomfort.  I tried the same thing on
Sunday and had a completely different result--a persistent pain in my
right hip.  6 miles is twice my usual distance and obviously beyond
what I should be doing at this point.  There's something maddening 
about seeing people who are probably 20 years older than I am zipping
by me while I'm struggling along wondering if I'm going to need hip
replacement surgery.  I've been telling myself that walking shorter
distances (1-3 miles) consistently is better than trying mini-marathons
on the weekend but I guess it takes a bit of pain to drive the lesson
home.  I find it easy to slip into a mode of thinking which says 
that if 1200 calories/day is good that 800 calories/day is better or
that if walking 3 miles/day is good that walking 6 miles/day is better.
Not true: there's an optimum level of food intake and going too far
below that may be as self-defeating as going too far above it.  There's
an appropriate level of exercise and overdoing the exercise may be
as bad as returning to sedentary habits.

It's tough to find that middle ground sometimes but absolutely
necessary if a program is going to be successful.
-- 
John Lundberg  
jsl@unix.cis.pitt.edu 
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From: scotti@mtl.mit.edu (Gretchen Fuller)
Subject: Re: Diet Methods
Organization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:44:19 GMT


CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

Scotti
From: markm@triton.unm.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Help - Gotta lose 250 Pounds...
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:36:10 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque




Hello there -

This is my first post to this group ever, but I have been
something of a lurker for several months.  My name is Mark, and I
have been overweight as long as I can remember, going back past
the first grade.  I am almost 30 now, and I am pretty much at the
end of my rope.  I weigh in excess of 450 pounds, and even though
I've got a big frame (6'3"), I am pretty much non-functional. 

This weight thing has hurt me the most on the social end of
things;  I've got alot of women in my life, but they think of me
only as a "friend."   Honestly, I think I've **enough** friends! 

I am currently very much in love with a woman that I have known
for five years.  We do love each other, but she keeps putting
that qualifier of "but not that way" on it.  We both feel that we
are fated to grow old together, but I don't know if I can live
with that;  especially in light of the fact that she has recently
started dating - and fucking - this asshole from Afganistan...

So, yes I am wounded and hurting.   I have at times been
suicidal; and seemingly it all falters back to this weight issue. 

I am a veteran of literally hundreds of diets and programs, but
somehow, everything falls to shit.  I have concluded that I am
"afraid" of losing my identity;  and possibly of having to deal
with the real world without the shield of my body.

I would like to hear from people who have been successful in
losing large amounts of weight.  I want to know how things have
changed for you.  What gave you the motivation?

Thanks

MARK F. MITCHAM
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: 1300 cal/day, why?
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:10:26 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science


>Around 600-800 calories a day is about right for me, maintenance-wise.
>I like to eat as much as the next gal, but I can't if I want to maintain
>a normal weight.  This isn't illusory, and I wish that others wouldn't
>be so patronizing and assume that people who say they can't eat as much
>food as other people simply must be mistaken or not know what they're
>talking about.  It makes dieting and weight maintenance harder for those

The skepticism has come from studies that were made that showed that
people who claimed such low maintenence requirements lost weight on
such diets when they were hospitalized on metabolic wards and their
diets were measured out by nutritionists.  I probably is theoretically
possible for some small, inactive women to have such low metabolic needs,
but research has uncovered very few of them indeed.  If you know what
your requirements are, then why even talk about them?  Just make yourself
a balanced diet that allows you to lose weight and follow it.  What difference
does it make if other people don't believe you if you don't talk about it?
Just tell them that the food they are offering is not on your diet.



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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Swimming (was: One whole week)
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:41:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <WVENABLE.92Nov5130207@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au> wvenable@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Bill Venables) writes:

>Does anyone else (of the huge variety like me) have this great difficulty with
>the thought of going swimming in public?  Has anyone actually managed to bite
>the bullet and go anyway?

Hi, Bill.

Yes to both of your questions.  For _years_ I wouldn't go swimming.  In
fact, the last time I swam in public was about seven years ago when I was
at my "ideal" weight.  I still, even at that time, wouldn't swim with any
men because I felt fat (I was about 125 pounds).  

Since that time, I've gained back lots of weight and, of course, avoided
swimming pools.  But about about a year and a half ago, I threw away the
scales and decided to quit dieting.  (Yeah, I'd been "dieting" all that
time I'd been gaining weight.)  Around that time, I swam in a neighbor's
pool with my mom and another woman.  My stepfather was also there -- he's
very nonjudgemental about weight.  And two little kids.  It felt
incredible.  

About a year ago, I got involved with a guy, and it has become serious. 
So last summer I screwed up the courage and -- WENT TO THE BEACH WITH HIM.
I felt I needed to do it.  I wanted to say to him, "This is me.  This is
who I am.  I may change; I may not; but this is who I am right now."  I've
been saying that to him in a million other ways all along; now I wanted to
do it in the hardest area for me, my body.  

It wasn't easy, but it was great.  He thought I was incredible, and was
very loving and tender.  I've since gone swimming one other time with him,
in a pool, alone, at midnight.  

It still isn't easy for me to swim in public.  But I'm making inroads.  

  

-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: teri@sdd.hp.com (Teri Tracey)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: 1300 cal/day, why?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 19:03:17 -0800
Organization: Hell's Little Breakfast Nook
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hp-sdd.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Nov3.131948.1@vax.sonoma.edu> abel@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>
>I don't mean this to be a personal attack, but I think that it is 
>terribly unfair to be telling a whole lot of people who are trying to 
>control their weight, that "you can't do it, you are not in control, 
>your body will gain weight even if you don't eat practically 
>anything".  This is also providing an easy cop out, telling people 
>that maybe they don't even need to try, and if they try and fail, 
>it's not *their* fault.

Cheryl is in fact a great example that you *can* do it, that you are
in control, and that there is no substitute for UNDERSTANDING YOUR BODY and 
LISTENING to your body.  Taking so-called "ideal weights" and "ideal 
calorie intakes" with a grain of salt is one key to successful weight 
maintenance.

Cheryl has maintained her weight in this manner for a long time.  I believe 
what she said.  I hope we can all be supportive and believe in each other here.

Teri Tracey              "When people are free to do as they like, they
 San Diego, CA            generally imitate each other."                   
  teri@sdd.hp.com  
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From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: need fruit salad ideas
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:04:11 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University


We're having our "turkey day" at work next Tuesday (where we
prepare a big Thanksgiving dinner).  I volunteered to make
a fruit salad (thinking it would be something I could enjoy
sans guilt).  Well, I've never made one!  I was thinking of
cutting up melons, pineapple maybe kiwis but those might be
hard to come by this time of year in the northeast.  Any
suggestions?  Should I go to a waldorf type of salad and can
I make that without alot of added fat?  Any ideas about
ingredients and any advice about how far in advance I can
make this, would be appreciated.

Margot

--
"I think we're passing through here kind of fast,
  Did you think these tracks in the dust can last? "
                                         - David Crosby
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Won't have Sex with a Fat Guy/Successful weight loss
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:39:23 GMT

>Don't have to check it. The first statement is still wrong, wrong, wrong.
>It says: "the person won't lose fat". Wrong. He/She will. "Protein is the 
>only other source of glucose" Wrong. Glycogen. Ketoacids. Fatty acids. Pyruvate
>The whole statement is wrong in principle, because muscles don't primarily
>use glucose for energy (except in anaerobic workout - anaerobic glycolysis) but
>free fatty acids.

Ah! Forgive me. I didn't notice my own mistake. It would be better to say
that "the person won't lose just fat". That was my intention all
along, honestly! Hopefully that will change the light of my
arguements. I thought you were trying to say the opposite of what
I said(you won't lose muscle mass).

Also, I wasn't talking about muscular energy comsumption. And I AGREE
with your point on the muscles.  My point was that because the nervous
system cannot use fat, you will lose muscle if you go on a very low
calorie diet.

This business about glycogen is immaterial since it is stored from
excess energy. If you go on a very low calorie diet it get's used up
rather fast.

>Oh, and there's another thing to keep in mind as well, apart from this and 
>the carbon chain numbers in glucose, and that's the fact that these
>nutrients don't get to mess around inside the body any way they want to -
>there are certain hormones to control them; insulin, glucagon to name a
>couple. These also contribute to the fact that while on diet, it might
>be good to pay attention to how often and how much to eat, not only how much
>total to eat during the day...oh, and the use of glucose by the CNS is 
>generally independent of insulin, oh, except e.g. for some appetite-regulating
>nuclei of the hypothalamus.....
>
>This is all to say it's a bit more complicated than just the carbon chains.
>

Of course and I don't disagree with you. I wasn't
trying to say how exactly one should go on a diet, my point
was very minor that, you cannot just stop eating as a means to lose
weight. Though it's been about a year I've had Phiosology and
Nutrition believe it or not.

john
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From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: exit
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:24:06 GMT

In article <l79p8m-@lynx.unm.edu>, rkruger@hydra.unm.edu (robert c  krugerttr) writes:
> In article <1992Oct30.145526.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>>
>>I, for one, would like to see you re-post. Maybe it will be something I can
>>reply to, or maybe not. But I am upset that YOU'RE upset. I hope that says
>>to you that there really is sympathy and fellow-feeling out here on the net.
>>
>>Regards, Lou
> 
> Ok, Lou, here goes:
> 
> 	Repost of my situation with Amy who's last name shall remain unknown.
> 
Approximately 10 months ago I came home for xmas break,  During my stay I met
During our meetings, she repeatedly stated, 'I want to just be      
> friends,' so much so that it seemed like she was desiring the opposite.  As

Isn't it a common fallacy, which has been identified, that a woman means
yes when she says no?   I don't see how you got the logic for saying
that she repeatedly stated something, so you ASSUMED she was desiring
the opposite!
(stuff deleted)

I was over at her apt.  Dialogue got us to the
> point where I gave her a very enjoyable, sensual massage.  She enjoyed it
> so much that I'd imagine it freaked her out.  IMHO she has always considered
> me a dork, and to be attracted to a dork is disgusting to her.  1/2 week passes
me a dork and to be attracted to a dork is humiliating to her 
>

(stuff deleted)
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
Robert, I'm glad you reposted. I don't know a heck of a lot about psychology
but I do recognize a  couple of loud and clear things in the story you've
told .  There is a LOT of anger. It's anger at others (people on the Net, and
also at Amy). But behind that there is a lot of anger at YOURSELF. I base
that on the fact that at least twice in the post you referred to yourself
as a Dork or was it Nurd? And you think (projecting your own feelings
perhaps) that Amy would be humiliated if she felt attraction toward you.

It seems to me that that's where you need to start. IMHO if you feel
self-loathing and anger, then it's not going to work foryou with ANY
woman, not just Amy.  It sounds like you're so pissed at yourself for
being less than  Some Part of You deems ideal, that your're hair-trigger
defensive. Anything Amy does that ties into the self-hate/anger
syndrome sets you off. You can't just relax and let things go by, you
get angrier and angrier. It would make sense, then, that she feels
"scared" of you, because she's picking up not just the fact that you
want to see her, but that terrific rage and anger.

I hope this helps identify some areas of the problem. What to do about it
is outside my scope -- probably ask a counselor. If you're unhappy
with, for example, your appearance, you can always take steps to improve
it -- you don't have to just sit there and hate yourself. And then hate
others for the same reason.

Anyway, I think you've been brave to air your situation on the net,
and I hope the responses you've gotten will both help and be of
some cheer.  Good luck to you.

Regards, Lou

Newsgroups: alt.support
From: Joan Balser
Subject: Re: Reality, life and all
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:46:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.211602.11294@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com
(jeffrey.n.jones) writes:
> "Thinking is postive feels much better at the end
>of the day". Lot of truth to that. Guess the point of all these ramblings
>is that recovery is slow painful process times while we learn to
>view life on much better terms then that which we started it on.
>It`s not easy, boy is it not easy....
>
>Please add to this.
>
>Jeff,

I never realized why I was always depressed until the read the book "Awaking
the Giant Within" by Anthony Robbins.  Basically, this book shows you how to
take control of your life.  Also, it explains why we are not
happy with our lives.  it explains how and what controls our thought processes
and why we think negative thoughts.  

I hope this helps.

Joan

p.s. Read Alt.Self-Improve.  I put an entry asking people to share their
success stories on the net.  It has given me the leverage to make changes in my
life!
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From: das@media.mit.edu (David Sheppard)
Subject: Re: Held at gunpoint!
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:29:54 GMT

In article <1ds9g2INNd71@agate.berkeley.edu> andrewc@garnet.berkeley.edu (Andrew Chen) writes:
> [story of armed robbery deleted...]
> But what I have been consumed about is the thought of death.  [...]
> Am I supposed to take this well and go on with my life as if nothing ever 
> happened?  
>
There's no "supposed to" here, or anywhere else.   This intense event
*DID* happen.  You will never be _exactly_ the same*1; you will likely
be better.  How?  Something allowed this event to happen, and that
same Something has a message to give to you.  Hear it and learn; your
life will be larger and richer for it.  Where are your feet?  
This is your path.

What is the message?  I don't know.  I could guess at what it _might_
be for _me_ in a similar situation:  "Life is *precious*, fragile, 
always changing.  Enjoy it in the present, for life is also capricious 
and unpredictable, for better and for worse.  Pay close attention;
don't put off until tomorrow expressing the love you feel, for self 
or for others."

My advice:  don't _fight_ your flashbacks, dreams and visions.
Ask them, ask your deeper and higher self what you need to learn
from this experience.  Learn it.  Then you will be free of your
present anxiety.

--das dave

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*1: Of course, this is true of *any* event, including something as 
seemingly trivial as tying your shoes... laugh.  But what if instead
of being held up you tripped on an untied lace descending the garage
stairs and paralyzed yourself with a spinal injury?  Everything
From: marcuss@microsoft.com (Marcus Stringer)
Subject: LeBiGay Seventh-day Adventist Support
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:45:40 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Keywords: Gay Christian Support


In light of the growing anti-gay religious movement, I'm posting 
the following.
=============================================================
Nothing 
in the world 
is quite like 
growing up 
Adventist
       and then...

	...discovering you are
		 homosexual.

BUT NOW YOU NEED NOT BE ALONE!

SDA Kinship International Inc. was founded in order to help. It is no longer necessary
for anyone to struggle alone.  The membership includes heterosexual Adventists, parents
of lesbians and gays, and others who are sympothetic to gay/Christian concerns 
(including pastors).  No one is excluded.  

There are a number of outreach opportunities, and special support groups nation-wide
as well as Canada, Europe, and South America.

If you are interested, or know someone who would appreciate information, 
or support, contact:

Seventh-day Adventist Kinship Int. Inc.
P.O. Box 3840
Los Angeles, Calif 90078-3840

or call 1 (800) 4GA-YSDA

(SDA Kinship is not a church, and not officially operated by the CHURCH)
From: jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jeffrey.n.jones)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Reality, life and all
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:16:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

After the low points it seems that high points seem that much better.
The way things are starting to go now the future looks somewhat brighter.
Boy, that last low point was really a bear. I looked around and thought
well where do I go from here. Managed to get my marriage back on track,
got on a different shift at work that is more condusive to home life,
got a really good grip on the carreer that I want and am finally getting
back into shape. I have always found thta when I hit the lows is when I
let my life stagnate. Go through this at times and the solution always
seems to be get busy and find some interesting activities to do. Adding
variety to life seems to increase the pleasure of it. Yes, things still
seem bleak at times and things still go wrong etc, etc... The 5 years 
for my wife and look really bright at the moment. She'll have her degree 
I'll have the carrer that I want and maybe even that Black Belt I
have desired so long. Kids will be older and won't need so much
antention and care. Just have to remember that and focus on the 
positive instead of the negative which is hard at times! After the
simply wonderfull childhood that I had (NOT) it really prepared
me for the wonders and joy of life (NOT). So here I am slowly but
surely pulling myself up out of the muck and mire and getting
a grip on things. At times it's 2 steps forward and 1 step back.
My coworked said "Thinking is postive feels much better at the end
of the day". Lot of truth to that. Guess the point of all these ramblings
is that recovery is slow painful process times while we learn to
view life on much better terms then that which we started it on.
It`s not easy, boy is it not easy....

Please add to this.

Jeff

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 jeffj@seeker.mystic.com   |      then we run the risk of failure.
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