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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: AGRAN Exclusion -- BROWN Hypocrisy
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:02:04 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <visser.702538674@convex.convex.com>, visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
> In <9204060447.AA05311@tba.msi.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> +>       A member of the media finally pinned down Jerry Brown on Larry
> +>Agran's exclusion from the political process.  You know what Brown said?
> +>       "Why doesn't he get a group of people and have an event?"
> +>       (THe Burlington Free Press, 3/30/92)
> +>       You can just bet that if Jerry Brown was being excluded, he wouldn't
> +>be hollering for "separate but equal" candidate forums.  He's the biggest
> 		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> +>hypocrite of any candidate in any party this year.
> 
> 	Notice the wonderful language.  Agran and his supporters have this
> thing about comparing his not being invited in "terms" that evoke  past
> battles against racism or segregation. 
> 
> 	What Brown was saying is that the way candidates usually build 
> themselves up is through "solo" events.  The way you get into the media
> spotlight is to give them something to cover.....attempting to force himself
> into debates and forums is not going to get him anywhere.  It does advance
> his longstanding campaign to force himself into the national spotlight
> by playing the victim.
> 
> 	Agran is a tiny little mayor of an insignificant city with a tiny
> sliver of support.  

	And in the major debate he was included in (South Dakota) he was
devastated.  It took him a month to come up with an answer to a gaping hole in
his "gut the military" strategy, and even then he missed half the question.  So
far he's earned a D- in political strategy.

Brett
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From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Too bad he didn't have a gun!
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:52:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.8150053
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

Pretty funny scene today concerning some dip stick who wanted
to smash the ex prez's stupid statue he got from the reporters
union or something.  The guy was able to get into the talk, pass
the secret service dupes, get up on stage, grab the trophy and 
smash it then come up into the face of Reagan, push him, and 
even got in a line or two up at the mike before the Secret (because
they where asleep) Service got to him.. HA HA HA I lauphed all
afternoon.  The guy could have blown the ex prez's head all over the
reporters for an exclusive interview with his brains.  

Well, the anti-nuke guy just set back his cause 10 years, and he'll
probably can start it up again if he ever gets out of prison.  The 
thing is though his cause will be gay activism once he gets out.

Lifes so much fun when its filled with such idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Mort
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: AGRAN Exclusion -- BROWN Hypocrisy
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:32:41 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Apr6.235952.20554@eskimo.celestial.com>, kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrm 762-6417) writes:
> In article <visser.702538674@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
>>In <9204060447.AA05311@tba.msi.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (Harel Barzilai) writes:
>>
>>+>       A member of the media finally pinned down Jerry Brown on Larry
>>+>Agran's exclusion from the political process.  You know what Brown said?
>>+>       "Why doesn't he get a group of people and have an event?"

	Well?  Why doesn't he hold an "Oppressed candidates debate"?

>>+>       (THe Burlington Free Press, 3/30/92)
>>+>       You can just bet that if Jerry Brown was being excluded, he wouldn't
>>+>be hollering for "separate but equal" candidate forums.  He's the biggest
>>		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>+>hypocrite of any candidate in any party this year.
>>
>>	Notice the wonderful language.  Agran and his supporters have this
>>thing about comparing his not being invited in "terms" that evoke  past
>>battles against racism or segregation. 
> 
> Well, the practices of the 2 major parties vis-a-vis minority
> parties/candidates are as reprehensible as racism/segregation.

	You did mean minor and not minority, right? :)

> 
>... 
> I also saw in this newsgroup a major smear piece on Jerry Brown by the
> laroochie paper Executive Intelligence Review.  Judging from the way Japan
> is kicking ass economically, every CEO in the country must read this paper.
> Larouche himself is in jail, doubtless railroaded by the Powers-That-Be,
> although one wonders, since he is really indistinguishable from them, what
> they have against him.
> 
	Railroaded?  He was convicted of credit card fraud.  Ask the thousands
of people who saw a $25/$50 contribution/fee/order turn into $2000/month
whether or not he was "railroaded".

> I am rapidly becoming convinced that *all* of the presidential candidates
> are *totally* *fucked*.  They all seem to *want* to be president *so*
> *badly* that they are gouging each other in the eyes.  What a disgusting
> spectacle.  A friend of mine says none of these people would make a decent
> pimple on Adlai Stevenson's ass.

	Tsongas didn't exhibit this type of behaviour.  He was, to put it
mildly, quite restrained throughout the campaign.

>>	Agran is a tiny little mayor of an insignificant city with a tiny
>>sliver of support.  
> 
> Well, so what??  That is scarcely germane to anything.

	Sure it is.  An average of 117 people run for president.  Shall we put
them in a hall with 117 microphones and let the loudest be president?

Brett
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From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Info: Info on the FED - Rockefeller Shadow Government
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:41:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: chalmers.10871
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Apr4.040757.1275@bilver.uucp> dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) writes:
>
>Thought the Net might be interested in some info I dug up on
>* WHO * Owns/controls the FED. Can you say "Rothschild and Rockefeller"? :-(

  Note that Rothschild and Rockefeller was in complete opposition towards
each other because of the Nobel/Rothschild oil venture in Baku early in this
century which threatened to put Rockefeller out of business.

  [Btw, what was the talk..politics thing that you put in the newsgroups line?
It screwed up my newsreader royally! :( ]

-bertil-
--
"It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or
 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
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From: ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d
Subject: Re: Larry Agran IS being denied "free speech"
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:39:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <1992Apr12.113244.28920@csusac.csus.edu>, emamid@athena.ecs.csus.edu (David Emami) writes:
> Gag! More of the typical left-wing inability to tell the difference between
> "preventing" and "not assisting." The news media have no more obligation to
> talk about Mr. Agran than anybody else does. Mr. Agran's right to speak does
> NOT mean that ANYONE is obligated to help him get is message out; your right
> to listen to him does not obligate anyone to help you hear him. Your (and Mr.
> Agran's) right to freedom of speech means exactly that: you have the freedom
> to say anything you want. It does not mean that you may compell someone to
> be your soapbox.

	According to the Communications Act of 1934(?) that set up the FCC the 
airwaves, which are being used by the TV and radio stations, are on *loan* from
the people who own them and they *have* to serve our interests. That includes 
giving us all sides of any political arguement and all candidates in an 
election. 
	But under our fine gov't who thinks that they know everything, recently
did away with the doctrine of equal time. So now it's up to the stations,
really the networks, to decide which part of the issues we need to know. ANd
I'm sorry but I don't think that I really want my only information on
Presidential politics is what is in the best interests of CapCities(insurance
co's, bank, oil/petro chemical co's.) or GE. I want to know what every idiot
and kook has to say, just because Ron Brown or Clayton Yeutter don't like them
doesn't mean that they don't have the best ideas to the problems facing our
country...Let's face it both Clinton and Bush are pretty clueless as to what's
really going on and we're going to have to choose between them. Doesn't this
concern you at all?
	So if the networks and local stations don't have the legal duty anymore
they sure as hell have the moral duty to give us the whole story, but then
again neither CapCities nor GE have *ever* been know for morals...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave D. Cawley		   |	I am Gov. Jerry Brown.
University Of Scranton	   |	My aura smiles, it never frowns.
ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu	   |	One day I will be President.
ddc1@SCRANTON		   |	      "California Uber Alles" -Dead Kenneedy's
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Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc
From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com (Jim McMaster)
Subject: Re: Socialism Security Rides Again
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:04:52 GMT

In article <rdippold.702582849@cancun>
rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
 
>The police checked, and sure enough.  If you are an acoholic or a drug
>addict, Social Security classifies you as "disabled" and will support
>your drug habit to the tune of $625 dollars a month.
>
Nice tactic!  Pick one isolated instance of possible abuse out of an
otherwise worthwhile program and use it to tar the whole thing.  How
about going after a few real egregious examples of abuse, like SDI or
the RTC?
 
Jim McMaster
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
From: mfm0@ellis.uchicago.edu (martin frederic melhus)
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Summary: Sale of Patriot Missiles
Keywords: Missiles
Reply-To: mfm0@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:13:38 GMT

In article <cortez.702548826@milton> cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner) writes:

>[ I am ] of the belief that the Israeli government is probably
>lying about the extent of its arms sales to China,

Actually, I heard on NPR last week that the State department has 
discovered that the Patriot technology was sold to China by Saudi
Arabia, and not Israel.

I have seen very little press given to this issue; I would have 
expected a long story about the public apology the U.S. government
would offer to a long standing ally for making a false accusation
of this magnitude.  Apparently the Zionist Conspiracy feels it is
better to order its lackeys in the media NOT to publicise this
fact a lot.  What their motivation is is beyond me.  But perhaps
that's why they rule the world in secrecy, and I am just another
guy posting on alt.conspiracy.

Of course, the current issue is that Israel is selling technology
to third world countries, as they couldn't make the China story stick.

-- 
Martin F. Melhus          |  Ted is the false Bob, as Elvis is the false Ted.
mfm0@midway.uchicago.edu  |  The False bob is not false Elvis  - The Ted Bob.
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: wlarkin@hounix.org (Ward Larkin)
Subject: Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer to speak in Houston
Organization: Houston Unix Users Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:39:04 GMT

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 
God-Talk Series 
Contact: Edward Szendrey 
(713) 523-1912 
April 7, 1992  

Myths About Columbus' Discovery of a "New World" 
and the U.S. Governments "New World Order" 

JACK NELSON-PALLMEYER will discuss "The Brave New World Order, 
Must We Pledge Allegiance?  A Faith-based Challenge to Destructive Myths"
focusing on the Quincentenary and U.S. foreign policy initiatives, e.g., the
recent Gulf War, on Friday, April 24, 1992 at 7:30 p.m.. 

The following morning, Saturday, April 25 from 9 a.m. to noon, Professor
Nelson-Pallmeyer will examine "Why U.S. Foreign Policy Targets Liberation
Theology As An Enemy."

All presentations will be held at The Dominican Sisters Meeting Room, 
6501 Almeda Rd. at Holcombe. 

Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer, a Lutheran minister who holds a Master of Divinity 
from Union Theological Seminary in New York, is a community-based faculty 
of Metro State University and co-cordinator of the Heartland Institute, a
training center for spiritual and social tramformation in Minnesota. Professor
Nelson-Pallmeyer also serves the Center for Global Education as a consultant
and coordinator of investigative trips to Central America. 

Professor Nelson-Pallmeyer has authorsd numerous articles and books on 
hunger, the arms race and U.S. foreign policy. 

These events are free;  donations are encouraged.  For further information,
call:  529-1912. 


-- 
-- Ward Larkin
   wlarkin@hounix.org
From: lpb@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: ARTIMUS MESSAGE: GENOCIDE/AIDS FILE: Loooooong
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:23:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: echidna.9204091723.AA18522

Can you read Artimus? Has your ego allowed you this much space at least?
Maybe......if so you will appreciate this file.  It first begins wiwth a back
ground of the US government and it's invovlement with the eugenics movement
starting primarily in the Nixon era (?) and definitively orgasming in the Bush
era.  It them proceeds with 2 different doctors and their views both medical
and political, on AIDS; what it is, how it came to be, how to catch it.

Good Luck you egomaniac.  Do not communicate with me again.  You are an affront to all that is intelligent, humanistic, and spiritual.  You and others like you 
are the reason why this country is heading headlong to its death, wallowing
in the oozing spew of anarchy.  But you can still change. It's up to you.  
I do warn you tho, should you attempt communication with me again, you 
will be hearing from quite a battery of people.

Samurai_Writer



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Article 12542 of alt.activism:
From: STella@thelema.uucp (STella)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.activism.d,soc.culture.jewish,soc.rights.human,alt.discrimination,alt.society.civil-liberty
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:18:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Idiosyncratic Anarchic Order

In article <1992Apr11.060353.101732@cs.cmu.edu> garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
>The Klan, like everyone else, has a right to free speech.  They
>do not have a right to be heard.  
>
>The counter-protesters also have a right to free speech.  If,
>by exercising their right, they drown out the speech of the
>Klan, so be it.

I have what I believe to be a much more effective idea.  The Klansmen
show up, and are allowed to be heard.  But every point they make is
greeted with LAUGHTER.  Big whooping gales of laughter.

That way, if the newscrews cover it, we (the forces of righteousness,
toleration, and all that good stuff) are not seen as preventing them
from being heard, but our reaction IS being heard.  And while these
dolts may get some ego gratification from beingg shouted at, they're
not as likely to enjoy being laughed at.

The advantage here is that if the audience includes people who believe
that free speech and good manners includes not drowning out other
voices, we have allowed  the other voices to be heard.

I'm willing to listen to anyone, but I reserve the right to laugh
derisively.

STella@xanadu.com	1016 E. El Camino Real, #302, Sunnyvale, CA 94087
From: Ben Masel <bmasel@igc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 08 Apr 92 20:47 PDT
Subject: I DIDN'T INHALE: Message to Clinto
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500173:000:978
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!bmasel    Apr  8 20:47:00 1992


IT'S OK, I DIDN'T INHALE

I 've just returned from the Clinton victory party here in
Madison.

Arrived sort of late, missed the TV crews, but the stunt was still
interesting. Lit up a joint and all the suits fled the room.
Couple of the younger Clinton fans and the volunteer coordinator
stuck around to hear a message I hope will be delivered. Told them
unless Bill admits he enjoyed the pot he didn't inhale, we will
collect the 2,000 signatures to put Jack Herer on the Wisconsin
Ballot as a Grassroots Party candidate for President in November.
Reminded them I had recieved 13,000 votes in my Republican primary
race for Governor in 1990, and that those 13,000 could be their
margin of victory or defeat in this state in November.

This stunt is repeatable. Show up at his HQ or a local function
carrying only 1 joint. Fire it up, blow some smoke around the
room. Say "It's OK, I didn't inhale." Leave a printed message.
Post an account to talk.pol.drugs.

Enjoy, Ben Masel

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From: acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS// actually about real names
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <22969@goofy.Apple.COM>, ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes...

>It is known that people who are either lying or not sure about their
>opinions use false names. Need I say more.
> 
>Kent Sandvik
>using his real name

In reference to your quote, no. But wait a minute, If you look at my name 
(below) you'll see that it differs from my "real" name. This is because what 
I am called and what I was given are not the same. But I know my opinions
and I'm not hiding.

Just so ya know...

I came on this newsgroup and read one of B-C"pee yoo"'s postings with
curiousity. But after hearing/seeing enough (and it didn't take much),
I do not like what I see.

Hey, B-CPU, does your comment about circumcision apply to the Muslims?
What about some Christians? (maybe even yourself?)

That pissed me off.

One angry Muslim (and, no, I'm not a terrorist!),

-Ismail
other name: Randy
:)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: Mike Cahill <Mike_Cahill@macbeth.bellcore.com>
Subject: Re: jerry brown tax info
Organization: Bellcore
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
     <56316@cup.portal.com> <1992Mar29.192324.27314@fylz.wa.com>
     <1992Mar31.194642.14081@tygra.Michigan.COM>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 22:00:35 GMT

(1) What are the odds this kind of thing would EVER get through Congress?
 Do we all have
little Jerry Brown's ready to run for Senate/HR seats in the near term? 
Since sometimes evolution 
is more likely than revolution (IMHO), I'm curious if there are any
intermediate steps to Brown's plan.
(2) >The 13% flat tax reform is the only new idea to emerge from this
>year's presidential campaign.  
Hear hear.
>With it, the stock market will go
>through the roof, businesses will thrive, and millions of
>Americans will go back to work.  
This sounds nice... But only having a fifth-grade education, I don't get
it that
quickly.  Could you explain this in a bit more detail, please?
(3)>With tax evasion and avoidance greatly reduced, with the money
>and talent used for tax purposes released, and with production
>incentives in place, the economy would expand and federal
>revenues would sharply increase.
Didn't you earlier describe this talent as "political influence or
cleverness in
mining the tax codes"?  What do you expect these people to do in FlatTax
Utopia?
Sell all those wonderful American cars?
(4) What is California's tax system like?  Why?

Don't get me wrong.... I'm all for fairplay, too.  And according to some
druggie survey, I'z a liberal. I just _CANT STAND_  unsubstantiated 
claims that use emotional language (<=Def: netnews) and
don't demonstrate a shread of humility or caution.  Self-assurance is
one thing, but I'd expect a bit more from a potential leader... or his/her
spokesperson.
-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc
From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST MYTHS
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:27:31 GMT

entropy@yaya (Lawrence C Foard) writes:

>Freedom of speech cuts both ways, it can be a powerful weapon against
>these bigoted cowards. It doesn't take that much investigative work
>to find out the true identity of a regular USENET poster. See if these
>people have the guts to continue posting once people know who they really
>are. I'm certain some readers must live in the city where the Banished 
>CPU is located.

>I am really starting to wonder if cowardice and bigotry don't have a cause
I do live in the same city and have posted a couple of requests that
"Maynard", the sysop, come out from behind his alias.  So have others,
and Maynard has admitted using several aliases (including, probably, Pet
Faust, ?).  To date, he's refused to give a reason for this cowardice.
It could just be that he's embarrassed that someone who knows him in the
real world might find out who Maynard is -- probably he's afraid to
express these opinions without the anonymity of the net (or the bbs)
because he couldn't stand to have people laughing at him.  But in his
darkened room, with the computer glowing, he's POWERFUL!  A defender of
TRUTH, JUSTICE and THE AMERICAN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!	


>and effect relationship. The KKK is to cowardly to show there faces, the
>Banished CPU is to cowardly to post with there true names, ronniejr from
>alt.politics.homosexuality was struck with terror when he found out people
>where searching for his true identity.

>One possible amature psycology theory:
> Those to cowardly to think for themselves let others decide what is right
> and wrong, they never question these assumptions because they feel
> themselves to inferior to question authority. Read the arguments on 
> alt.politics.homosexuality and see how often the word "NORMAL" is used
> by bigots, they are afraid of not conforming and hate those who have
> the will to think for themselves.
>-- 
>Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are 99.44% true.            ------  0<p<1  
Could be.

--Jeff Frane

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