From: miha@proteus1.UUCP (Sinisa Mihailovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: who was in 'power' in BH (was: Re: Call It Anything but Peace)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:50:53 EST
Organization: Proteus Communications, Washington D.C. * node 1

Subject: Re: who was in 'power' in BH (was: Re: Call It Anything but Peace)

In <BxKACt.A4z@me.utoronto.ca> arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca (Senad Arnautovic)
writes:
>miha@proteus1.UUCP (Sinisa Mihailovic) writes:


>Of course, those who claim they are Serbs but not Bosnians of orthodox
>confession or atheists, can live in BH since the BH constitution respects
>the rights of minorites. In this regard, the situation is similar to those
>in neighboring countries: Croatia is the country of the Croatian people
>and others, Serbia is the country of Serbian people and others, etc.

	This is false. The constitution of Serbia is organized similar 
to the French constitution, there are no nations - all who live in Serbia
are treated as citizens of Serbia and not according to their nationality.

>As for stealing history and cultural heritage, let me remind you
>that Chetniks renamed occupied cities Bosanski Novi,
>Bosanska Kostajnica, Bosanski Brod into, respectively, Novi, Kostajnica
>and Brod. Do you want me to tell you how many catholic churches, mosques
>and sinagogues the Chetniks have leveled off? If you claim to have lived
>in Sarajevo, it was definetely for a very short period, because if you

        I don't see your point here, are you trying to say that those of
Bosnian  Serbs that you claim did destroy the mosques (as for sinagogues
you  should  already  know  that there is one thing that bounds Serb and
Jewish  people,  they  are bound with the genocyde that muslim and Croat
Ustashas  comitted  over their nations in WWII, and therefore Serb would
never  hurt  a Jew)  and  who  you  try  to  insult here by calling them
Chetniks  (and  from  what I know about the Chetnik movement in general,
you  are  in  fact  honoring them - btw, my understanding of the Chetnik
movement is  built  on  the  basis of western sources, because communist
movement,  which  found very fertile ground in former B&H tried to cover
the  genocide  of  Ustashas  in  B&H,  Croatia and Serbia on the Serbian
population  to avoid the revenge in post-war years, by producing tons of
lies and half-truths)   "steal  the history and cultural heritage" with?
     I  would  appreciate  if you elaborate this... I will, however tell
you  what  I  think, so  that  you know what are the basis for what I am
talking about; they  lived there  for centuries and participated greatly
in building the very foundations of what is now called "Bosnian history,
cultural  heritage", etc...  so if somebody is denying them their right,
and  their  right is, mind you, to participate in planning the future of
B&H because  they  participated  in creating  it's history and blah-blah
and if  nobody paid attention that the number of Bosnian Serbs (which is
only  few  thousdands  lesser then the number of Bosnian muslims) do not
want  to  live  in  the same country with the very same Bosnian muslims,
then I don't see what's your point.
    There is a civil war going on in Bosnia-Herzegovina, civil war which
could   have  been  avoided  if  only  the  Bosnian  muslims, leaded  by
Izetbegovic  respected  the  right  of  Bosnian  Serbs to make their own
decisions,  with  their  own  heads.  Their  decision was secession, off
course, but that was, if you remember correctly, negotiable.
     Instead, so_called B&H government  (I  have  perfectly good reason
to  call  it  with  prefix  so_called,  no  offense meant but one large
percentage  of  population  doesen't   recognize  them  and under their
control  is,  small peace of Bosnia-Herzegovina, and if the things were
peacefully  but  legaly  resolved  it  would  have  not  been  much  of
a difference in the terms of land control. It is truly a Bosnian muslim
government  and  therefore  can  not  be  called " Bosnian government")
forced the recognition of B&H thus pushing it into war.
     Sorry for the digression, I just wanted to make things clear.

      And  to  ilustrate the statement about the civil (which is becoming
more and more religious) war in B&H, I will ask you the counter-question:
did you read an official document written by the Serbian Orthodox church,
addressed  to  B. Ghali  about the number of the Ortodox churches leveled
with ground?

>lived longer in this city of tolerance you wouldn't talk rubishes..

       I  liked  Sarajevo  really  much,  to be honest, despite the air
polution  and  several incidents I encountered there. Older people were
really  nice  but  my  friends  and  I have had several provocations on
Dolac-Malta by the group of local muslims.

>> Of all the three people they should be the  most silent one when
>> speaking of historical, etc. heritage.

>Look into history books. You were taught history when attending the school
>in Serbia which neglects Bosnian history.

        Hehehe, first jump and then  say 'hop', I have learned from the
same  books  as  you  did.  My  professor  of  sociology  was dr. Nenad
Kecmanovic  who  was,  I believe, a member of Izetbegovic's government.
Nonetheless,  I  would  appreciate  if you can point out where did I go
wrong,  maybe  you  will  change it one day in, books from which future
generations of muslims will learn,  and  I sort'a like to see thinks in
advance, hehehe.
        For  the  start I shall point out where you did go wrong and if
your professor saw what you wrote in your article, you would have spent
some more time learning about Bosnian history.
I  hope  that  you'll learn something and be more carefull when judging
and, especially when trying to take  history on your advantage..,  I'll
get  back  to that in the next reply beginning with reply to "your view
of history" (sorry I have to split the reply, article is too long).
For  now  I'll  just  ask  one  question  to give you something easy to
excersize  your  mind:  do you  know when did the muslims appear in B&H
and do you know when the last Bosnian state vanished?

>>>and others. Therefore, what is nowdays so-called FR Yugoslavia
>>>should be termed Serboslavia, and the Bosnians clearily do not
>>>want to live there and be treated as a second-class citizens
>>>(if allowed to live there), see treatment of Albanians in Kosovo.

        I  missed  this the last time. There is a significant number of
muslims  living in the capitol of Serbia - Belgrade and in elsewhere in
Serbia. So far nobody tried to expell them. Second,  have you ever been
in Kosovo? Do you,  know how exactly the Squiptars are treated? I would
say not.

>>	In the light of which I said above: Bosnian Serbs are also "Bosnians",
>>they  didn't want to  seceede. According to the 1991 census data there
>>are 31% of Bosnian Serbs + 6% of those who declared themselves as Yugoslavs
>>(which are also  mainly  Bosnian  Serbs

>not true. Most Yugoslavs are either Slavic Muslims, the remnants of older
>times when Muslims were not allowed to be called so by UDBA (the security
>police). Others are from mixed marriages of all confessions.


        Just compare the census data from 1981 to 1991. You'll see that
 you had been taught wrong.

-- miha

(to be continued..... in next article)
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