HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Violence Epidemiologists vs the Gun Lobby
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:40:10 GMT
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin

In <viking.719252983@vincent1.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>In <llrpp_d@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:

>>"There is, it seems, an almost five-fold increase in the
>>risk of suicide for those living in homes where guns are
>>kept."

>	In other words, the gun is used first.  Were it not there,
>perhaps we'd see the knives and pills used more frequently.  Japan
>is currently seeing increased suicide rates, and they do not allow
>firearms of any kind in the hands of civilians.

because it requires more guts and expertise to do it with a knife and
it is quite difficult to do it right with pills  (I tend to believe
that people attempting to commit ''suicide'' with pills do not really
mean it,  but seek attention);  a gun is the easy way out,  and you
don't have to be a guru es fire-arms to do it right the first time
(well,  I actually met someone dumb enough to miss with a 9mm,  but it
might not be typical)...
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From: brandon@caldonia.nlm.nih.gov (Brandon Brylawski)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Whither sci.med?
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:59:48 GMT
Organization: National Library of Medicine
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nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD) writes:
: 
: There are many physicians on the net who would probably participate
: if sci.med were divided up a little differently.  For example,
: most of the members of the American Medical Informatics Assn have
: net access, yet most of the activity in this field is on Compu$erve
: (boo, hiss).  I suggested to AMIA that a 'sci.med.informatics' would
: be worth trying.  It would also be worth trying to separate the
: alternative medicine stuff off as 'alt.med' or 'sci.med.alternative'
: and possibly also try a separate 'sci.med.advice'.  I think we would
: see more physician and other allied health profession participation
: if there was one group primarily for discussions within this group
: (should also include administration, members of health industries).


I would also endorse sci.med.informatics, as well as a specifically alternative
medicine forum. 

Brandon Brylawski
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: rick@cs.sunysb.edu (Richard Spanbauer)
Subject: Re: ken mitchum, please don't leave sci.med
Organization: State University of New York, Stony Brook
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:37:20 GMT

In article <16943@pitt.UUCP> km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) writes:
>In article <KPC.92Oct10152014@zog.arc.nasa.gov> kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov writes:
>I am flattered but also slightly embarassed by being asked to not
>leave the newsgroup. I am certainly no expert, and there is very
>little factual material that I have posted that a reasonable physician
>would not have already told the patient. It bothers me that people
>have to seek this information from a newsgroup.
>
> -km

	The differences, I think, between information gathered from ones
	physician and that from professional medical folks here on the
	net are:

	(1) Time - personal physician may not be able to spend as much time
	    with a patient, eg just informally exploring a topic as we
	    do on Usenet.  

	(2) Economic - I may be interested in a subject, but unwilling
	    to pay for a session with the internest to gather knowledge.
	    Of course, a visit to the library would substitute, but many
	    curiousities may not warrant even that level effort.

	(3) Third party participation - people kibitzing in a particular
	    discussion usually come up with interesting, related questions
	    that I might not think to ask in the office.

	(4) Non medical discourse - I am always curious about what makes
	    people "tick" in other fields.  Concerns, issues, etc.  Benefit
	    to the medical community is that we will all be better informed
	    when/if the public is ever asked to participate in health care
	    reform, tort reform, etc.   For example, I learned quite a bit
	    about the "business" side of medicine when I talked with my
	    wife's OB/GYN for about an hour or so before our son was born.
	    Even that little discussion helped me understand some of the costs
	    involved in modern medicine.  People need to hear that sort of
	    thing, especially those inclined to vilify physicians based
	    on income.

	As I've stated before, I feel strongly enough about having
	medical professionals involved in sci.med that I am quite
	willing to vote with my wallet, eg help pay malpractice rider(s)
	to cover Usenet activities.  Standing offer, but I hope the "flake"
	factor never brings us to such a level. 

					Rick Spanbauer
					State U of NY/Stony Brook
Newsgroups: sci.med,alt.drugs
From: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway)
Subject: Tryptophan mail order source?
Reply-To: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com
Organization: Prickly Wombat Enterprises
Distribution: us
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:37:29 GMT


I remember hearing, shortly after the tryptophan hysteria, that
some mail-order company in California was still selling it. Does
anyone know if this is true, and have their name/address/phone
number? I'd appreciate it greatly.

Thanks!

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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: FAQ (was Re: Homeopathy)
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:09:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Oct13.190913.11039
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Oct13.173830.26236@genie.slhs.udel.edu> nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz) writes:
>Thanks for running this--is there any hope of a FAQ for this group?

The running-dog gang of four and their feelthy evil collaboratrix and
inspiratrix are working on this in secret even as you ruminate on its
possibilities.

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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Sumatriptan
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:00:59 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Oct5.195659.1533@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD) writes:

>
>Do you have any impression about sumatriptan's efficacy and side
>effect profile in comparison to dihydroergotamine, which is in
>wide use here and quite a bit less expensive?  Is the inhalable
>form of DHE available there?

Supposed to be better.  The inhalable form of DHE is available
from a pharmacy in Florida (I'll find you the toll-free number
if you want).  Up to 8 puffs are allowed (nasal spray) per
attack.  They also make DHE/compazine suppositories to order.
These are great in patients that respond to DHE injections
but don't want to come to the ER for them every time.

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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Gamma hydroxy butyrate =?= Human Growth Hormone releaser
Keywords: Human Growth Hormone releaser
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:29:18 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University

In article <22621@venera.isi.edu> jdeifik@isi.edu (Jeff Deifik) writes:
>I am interested in human growth hormone releasers. A few years ago a friend
>of mine was taking gamma hydroxy butyrate, and claimed that it 'worked'
>for him, at reducing his percentage of body fat (measured with skinfold
>calipers), as well as helped him build lean tissue. Now he tells me that
>it is unavialalbe, due to some FDA regualtions.
>Now a company called Strength Systems USA Labs Inc. sells 'gaba 250'
>which is supposed to be 'pure Gamma Amino Butyric Acid a nutrient reported to
>... as well as release dopamine and HGH. I called them and asked if they had
>any literature backing up their claims. They said that they had nothing like
>that.
>

Gamma hydroxybutyrate (GHB) is a very interesting metabolite in a number
of tissues.  It probably functions as a neurotransmitter and neuromodulator
in the human brain and is involved with many functions such as sleep 
and REM state induction, dopamine turnover, and growth hormone release. 
It has been used in a model of absence (petit mal) seizures.  It was
pulled off "health food" store shelves after a rash of poisonings
associated with its use.  See _Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Review_,
39(47):861-3, Nov 30, 1990.

>Does anyone know how effective gamma hydroxy butyrate or
>gamma amino butyric acid are supposed to be ?

Effective for what?  Gamma amino butyric acid (GABA) is a small
molecule inhibitory neurotransmitter widespread in mammallian brains
(estimated 40% of human synapses are GABAergic).  GABA ain't the same
thing as GHB.

>Does anyone know why gamma hydroxy butyrate is unobtainable here in the USA ?
>Does anyone know if it is legal to order from some foreign drug/suppliment
>services ?

Dunno.

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From: phc002@art.osaka-med.ac.jp (suzuki)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Ketoprofen  was Re: Ibuprofen
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:15:07 GMT
Organization: Osaka Medical College, Takatsuki, Osaka

In article <1992Oct14.052456.22227@rigel.econ.uga.edu> hughes@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Wayne Hughes) writes:
>
>    Does anyone know anything about ketoprofen?  It works a *hell*

 Ketoprofen is effective for the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis,
ankylosing spondylitis, acute gout, and osteoarthritis.
Like Aspirin, Ibuprofen and other NSAIDs (Non Steroidal Anti-
Inflammatory Agents), it inhibits prostaglandin synthesis.

DOSAGE:
Adults, 75mg three times daily or 50mg four times daily.
 (Drug Evaluations Annual 1992, American Medial Association)

But in JAPAN, 50mg three times is usual.

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From: peppe@ipgaix.unipg.it (G. Vitillaro)
Subject: Re: Medline access?
Organization: Universita' di Perugia
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 14:40:04 GMT

rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes:

>In article <1992Oct5.011128.1513@cnsvax.uwec.edu>
> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David A. Nye MD) writes:
>>Does anyone know how I can access Medline through the Internet?
>>I know I can access PaperChase through Compu$erve but that is

>As I mentioned here recently, PaperChase will be accessible through
>the Internet in the near future (probably a few weeks assuming there
>are no technical problems).
>-- 
>David Rind
>rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu

Excuse me ignorance: what is PaperChase and how is possible
to use it to access Medline?

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From: collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Giving Blood! "Gimme that thing, I'll do it myself"
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:15:33 GMT
Reply-To: collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) wrote:
> Has anyone else run into the following situation:
> You need to give blood for a blood test and the nurse looks at
> your arms and says you have small veins.  Then, the nurse proceeds
> to stick your arm and miss the vein.  The nurse then complains that 
> you have rolling veins.  The nurse switches to the other arm and
> sticks and misses again saying that the vein is deeper than it appears.
> The nurse then calls in an expert for help.  The expert has no 
> problem drawing the blood.

Yes, I have had that same experience and variations of. Occasionally the
expert is able to find it, but by that time your arm looks like a pincushion.
Other times, the technician will call the nurse over and she can't find it 
either -- then you're stabbed twice as many times.  Very, very rarely I've
had a nurse or technician who can find the vein the first time and without
pain.  This tells me that if you really know what you are doing, then 
inserting the needle doesn't have to be painful.

I no longer give blood for this reason.  I am on the call list (I'm B neg.)
and if the Red Cross really gets desperate, they can call and I will go
down and give blood, but I no longer give on a regular basis.  The 
last time I gave they stabbed me so many times I got very nauseated and
my arm was bruised for 2 weeks.  

Recently I had to go in for one of those nasty glucose tolerance tests.
The technician who had taken my blood previously, was great.  No pain
and she hit it the first time.  This time, it was a different technician.
After about the 3rd hour, I told her that the other technician didn't have
any trouble hitting my vien and couldn't we please try to find her.  She 
just glared at me and stabbed harder. ;-)  I swear, if she would have given
me that monstrous needle, I would have done it myself.  ;-)

I think that the issue is lack of practice, and not just any practice -- 
positive, successful practice.  Most people just complain about being 
stabbed after the fact, so the tech. doesn't know if they did it right or
not.  At least, I hope this is the reason....  ;-)

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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz)
Subject: Re: acne treatment?
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 03:24:53 GMT

In article <39246@unix.SRI.COM> cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole) writes:
| Are there any treatments for acne other than accutane and long-term
| antibiotics?
| [ ... ]
| I'm just wondering if there is some other treatment I might
| specifically ask about.

Yes.  Retin-A, the topically-applied drug that's gotten so much press
for reducing wrinkles.

You might be one of the people with a condition for which it was
originally approved!

== Bob Yazz ==
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Information needed
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:19:49 GMT

On Sat, 10 Oct 92 19:46:16 GMT, arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) said:

Artavazd> 	Address needed for the Wills Eye Hospital in Philadelphia,
Artavazd> possibly - e-mail. Thanks.

Have you never heard of directory assistance?  Call (areacode) 555-1212
and ask, for heaven's sake!
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: spiegel@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Re: acne treatment?
Organization: Personal Experiences Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 18:04:15 GMT

In article <1992Oct07.032453.0902843@locus.com> yazz@locus.com (Bob Yazz) writes:
>In article <39246@unix.SRI.COM> cole@unix.SRI.COM (Susan Cole) writes:
>| Are there any treatments for acne other than accutane and long-term
>| antibiotics?
>| [ ... ]
>| I'm just wondering if there is some other treatment I might
>| specifically ask about.
>
>Yes.  Retin-A, the topically-applied drug that's gotten so much press
>for reducing wrinkles.
>
>You might be one of the people with a condition for which it was
>originally approved!

	I at one time went to numerous dermatologists who prescribed
	accutan, tetracycline, etc.  The accutan worked for awhile, 
	with an unfortunate, but temporary, impact on my night vision.
	The tetracycline and other antibiotics had only mild affects.
	I finally became tired and suspicious of the standard
	dermatologist MD prescription of more drugs and checked out an
	ad from a skin-care clinic.

	I will never go back to a dermatologist again ! ! ! !

	I go for a once a month treatment . . .application of various
	lotions and enzymes.  I apply a benzoyl peroxide lotion, along
	with a therapeutic mask, usually daily, on my own.  They also
	have oil-free moisturizers , hydrologizers (sp?) and other 
	lotions/applications that vary depending on your particular
	condition. 

	Based on my experiences I would _HIGHLY RECOMMEND_ checking out
	a skin care clinic.  If you are in the Bay Area I can tell you
	where I go.  If U live elsewhere, I could ask my place if they
	know of a good clinic in your area.

	Mark
From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Selling the net to physicians
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:27:48 GMT
Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute

In article <1992Oct13.014654.1711@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.002601.6445@netcom.com>, aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelyn Aldridge) writes:

>> 	Basically, a net journal now allows a person to download the
>> entire text of an article desired without cost. Moderated journals might
>> need subscriptions to support the editors. Abstracts in many fields are now
>> produced by the article authors. 
>  
>Are there any online medical journals that you know of?


It was my understanding that the Online Journal of Clinical Trials was
going to become available pretty soon. If my memory serves me right we
are going to be able to access it through OCLC, Compuserve and the
Internet. 
If anyone has more information, especially how to actually subscribe to
this thing, would you be so kind as to post it?

----------------------------------

Howard Doyle
doyle+@pitt.edu



From: heumann@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (John Heumann)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:50:04 GMT
Subject: Re: My wife drank during her pregnancy and the baby lived!!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: sci.med

In sci.med, brein@gpvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Barry Rein) writes:

>  My wife drank during her pregnancy and the baby lived

>  It seems to me that the hysteria about drinking during pregnancy is just
>  that.

Asking for statistically valid evidence of fetal damage caused by
light drinking during pregnancy is reasonable enough.  I'd be 
interested in the answer too.

On the other hand, resorting to anecdotal evidence (as your title
above does) is less than worthless.  This is precisely the sort of
argument that people used in denying any link between smoking
and lung cancer twenty years ago. ("I know a guy who smoked two packs
a day and lived to be 93.")  Assume, for example, that the 
rate of serious birth defects was 5 per 10,000 live births and that 
light drinking had been shown to double the risk to 10 per 10,000 births
(NOTE: these are fictitious numbers).  Just how large a family are you 
planning?
From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Flame wars on sci.med
Date: 14 Oct 92 14:17:41 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation

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From: fzjaffe@othello.ucdavis.edu (Rory Jaffe)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Half life of Scopolamine butylbromide
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:47:21 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis

I have looked this info up in the past, but don't have access now... I
think it's about 90 minutes.  Remember, the effective duration may be
much more or much less than a half-life.  Also, instilled in the eye,
the effect is much longer.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Giving Blood! "Gimme that thing, I'll do it myself"
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 05:23:52 GMT

In article <3899@unisql.UUCP> collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce) writes:
>I no longer give blood for this reason.  I am on the call list (I'm B neg.)
>and if the Red Cross really gets desperate, they can call and I will go
>down and give blood, but I no longer give on a regular basis.  The 
>last time I gave they stabbed me so many times I got very nauseated and
>my arm was bruised for 2 weeks.  

You could do what I do.  "You have two chances to hit the vein.  If
you don't hit it the second time I won't be giving blood today."

>Recently I had to go in for one of those nasty glucose tolerance tests.
>The technician who had taken my blood previously, was great.  No pain
>and she hit it the first time.  This time, it was a different technician.
>After about the 3rd hour, I told her that the other technician didn't have
>any trouble hitting my vien and couldn't we please try to find her.  She 
>just glared at me and stabbed harder. ;-)  I swear, if she would have given
>me that monstrous needle, I would have done it myself.  ;-)

Next time don't ask.  Tell.

Bill
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From: M20614@mwvm.mitre.org (Hugh Pritchard)
Subject: Centigrade (was: What body temp for cardiac surgery?)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:30:43 GMT

In article <BvrzH5.I3M@news.fai.com>
luisg@hadar.fai.com (Luis Galleguillos) writes:
 
>... The normal body temperature is
>around 28.7 I think. I am assuming that by C we mean Celsius orCentigrades.
>Are all the remaining figures correct ? The freezing point
>of water is 0 C. 18 C is pleasant ambient temperature and 28 C is hot.
>One can withstand tempreature of up tp 50 C for brief periods.
 
Um, I disagree with your figure for human body temp in degrees C.
 
  F      C
 ---    ---
 212    100    Water boils
  98.6   37    Human body temp
  68     20    Room temperature
  32      0    Water freezes
   0    -17.8  Sea water freezes
 -40    -40    Temperature where degrees F is the same number as degrees C
 
Conversion:
 
   Method A:  Every 10 degrees C is 18 degrees F; start from freezing
              (0 degrees C is 32 degrees F)
 
   Method B:  Starting with degrees C: Multiply by 9/5, and then add 32, to
              get degrees F.
              Starting with degrees F: Subtract 32, then multiply by 5/9, to
              get degrees C.
 
[This is not even to mention the Rankin scale (measured in degrees Kelvin),
which has degrees the same size as degrees C, but starts with 0 at "absolute"
0.  0 degrees C is 273 degrees K.]
 
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