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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 14:02:38 EST
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Technogeek Perhaps Saves The Day
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> The long hilt is one of the great features of a katana.  It, in
> effect, lets me choke up on it.  Alas it is currently unwrapped
> metal so it chafes with serious use.

Hmmm...I learned how to wrap a sword hilt, but that was a long time
ago.  As I remember, it's not hard, just tricky.  Not unlike some of
the knots you need to learn for kimono.

> >                                    Perhaps going to a lighter,
> >livelier sword would even up the fight.  As a worst case Frank can
> >always use a foil.  It isn't much good for doing damage, but it should
> >be nimble enough to spank errrant animals.

Have you seen any of the Miyamoto Musashi films?  Japanese katana can
be pretty nimble.

Okay, here's my obligatory question for the list:  Does anyone know
how samurai used to test the blades of their swords?????

> I do have a 1870ish US Army saber at my mothers house in Memphis.  My
> funniest memory from my college years was the time I arrived home (home
> at that time was College Park, MD) at 2am to the spectre of my 60 year
> old mother in her nightgown brandishing that saber prepared to defend
> harth and home.  Rather an interesting choice of weapon considering the
> fact that she had a .32 in her dresser drawer.

I think I saw your mother when I was in Memphis....:)

> I've never been able to to get into foils.  I'm a hack and slash kind
> of guy.  Poking is for wusses.

Great motto!!!!

> --Fwp, armed and dangerous technogeek.

Some might argue that all technogeeks are dangerous...

Karen
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 07:58:48 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Guinea Pigs, Be On Alert

> >I SAID NONE OF THE ABOVE!!
> >   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
> I know it wasn't you, it was the Ronin.  I wasn't insulted, I thought it was a
> joke and that is why I wrote in greenhorn english.

I mean I didn't even say anything in the various layers of quotations
that started with "Natalie Maynor sayeth."
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: music-math relationship

Protesteth the Ronin:

Hey, get off my 'eth', Steve.

: Establisheth an overlap first.

Steve Karlson
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:09:45 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: ODDS 'N' ENDS

> Torkel looks around him, sees people using one word ("heavy") for
> dozens of uses, which for a sensitive person require dozens of words.

This kind of observation has been made repeatedly throughout history.
There have always been sensitive users of language and lazy users of
language.

> AH-HA! If humanity changes so that it no longer needs anything with
> the function of "literature", there is something "wrong with the
> situation", but it is not "wrong" that the language has changed so
> that literature is not possible in it.

True!  I've been talking about LANGUAGE.  As I said in the last posting,
whether there is something "wrong with the situation" is a different
question.  I have my doubts as to whether there would be anything "wrong"
with it.  But I have not stated that up until now.  The word "wrong"
clearly takes on more philosophical wrappings in this case.

> The question is whether we can prevent the possible outcome (no
> more literature) by demanding that language cease to change, or
> only change in a few permitted directions. And what in the world
> do you think is going to happen to literature if some language
> dictatorship begins to exert such control???

So far, nobody who has attempted to stop language change has succeeded.

"Those who have been persuaded to think well of my design will require
that it should fix our language, and put a stop to those alterations
which time and chance have hitherto been suffered to make it in without
opposition.  With this consequence I will confess that I flattered
myself for a while; but now begin to fear that I have indulged
expectation which neither reason nor experience can justify....

  "With this hope, however, academies have been instituted, to guard
the avenue of their languages, to retain fugitives, and repulse
intruders; but their vigilance and activity have hitherto been vain;
sounds are too volatile and subtle for legal restraints; to enchain
syllables, and to last the wind, are equally the undertakings of pride,
unwilling to measure its desires by its strength.  The French language
has visibly changed under the inspection of the academy; the style of
Amelot's translation of father Paul is observered by Le Courayer to
be un peu passe; and no Italian will maintain that the diction of any
modern writer is not perceptibly different from that of Boccace,
Machiavel, or Caro."  Samuel Johnson, arch-prescriptivist
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Don Thornton <DTHORNTN%BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cambridge pre-clam Update
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Boston had a few situations where extra fare was collected when you
exited in another zone. Like going past Kendall Square, or Quincy,
or Maverick Square. Has this changed.

czarina Rita will be the gopher, with her T pass in hand.

 dr.don
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:08:00 EDT
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From:         CHADG%CLEMSON.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

My question is this : If the prescriptive grammarians thought
that two negatives made a positive, that must have meant that
they were basing that on the multiplicative rules of mathematics.
Why couldn't they just say that it followed an additive property
and compounded the negation.
Forgive me for this question...I am only a lowly Freshman at Clemson
University and a Math major taking an Advanced Grammar class.  Just
thought I'd bring that up.
Chad Anthony Galloway I
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: words-l history

But I can't go to the clambake.

--Aaron
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:58:00 MDT
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Conversation Stoppers

Asketh        "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

> > ...and when I'm introduced, they askme, "So what do you do?" and I say, "I
> > teach" and they say "What?" and I say, "Computer Science" and , to use the
> > phraseology of Ronin: CONVERSATION STOPPETH.
>
> Why?
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

     What do you mean, 'Why?'?  What is wrong with using the phraseology
of The Ronin, as long as one avoids spelling like The Ronin?

The Ronin, a self-referential AI experiment in progress
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:55:29 EDT
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From:         Fredric <FDOLEZAL%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:04:00 MDT The Ronin said:
>     Just a quick note to FREDERIC <FDOLEZAL@UGA>:
>                              ^language change in progress.....

>     1) A reponse to your critique is forthcoming.
>
>     2) I fear I must admit that the preponderance of evidence that
>        you have brought forth in defense of your postions (none)
>        is overwhelming, especially given your repeated demands on
>        others to supply it to you.
>
>The Ronin
O MR. THE RONIN!  DO PLEASE DIRECT A SPECIFIC QUESTION SO THAT i might provide
evidence.
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:08:08 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      RE: List Moved: WORDS-L English Language Discussion G

>     As Words-L listowner, I hope you'll subscribe Joseph.  HKUCC is the
> University of Hong Kong and this dot would be a great addition to the 'map'
> on the next T-shirt.

He's on.  And note the first name listed in the cc to the listowners:

> Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 22:47:22 -0400
> From: Revised List Processor (1.7b) <LISTSERV@UGA.BITNET>
> Subject:      Your subscription to list WORDS-L
> To: Joseph LAU <HHECLWH@HKUCC.BITNET>
> Cc: Bernard Chien Perro <MAYNOR@MSSTATE.BITNET>, MAYNOR@RA.MSSTATE.EDU,
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:18:04 MST
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE%IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      in memory of.....
Comments: To: All fellow wordslers <words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu>,
              Gail Lester <gaill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com>

One of the fine members of words-l has sent an unexpectedly
large, donation for MS for the walk that Gail and I took on Saturday.

I don't feel comfortable revealing the donor of the $180 check that will
go to MS.  But thank you!   What I would like to reveal, is a bit of the
letter that was sent with the check....leaving out a number of important
parts that might reveal the donor.  To prevent embarrassment of anyone,
I will leave it to the donor to reveal his/her identity if she/he wishes.

Anyway, here is what I want everyone to see:

"This donation is in memory of all the dear ones the words-lers have lost
recently, and in honor of the close-knit though far-flung [group] words-l
really is."

"Congregation?  Neighborhood?  Village Square/cafe?  When you need them,
these people are 'there'.  Words-l is truly special."


I couldn't agree more.  You are all VERY special to me, and to Gail.

special hugs to all......

dan
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From:         "The harder I work, the behinder I get"
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Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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>>Yes, I have.   You resort to the "Turning Machine" tactic. :-) (Read lots of
>                                   ^^^^^^^

>that should have read "Turing" but I think in a way it conveys the same
>meaning.

>>giggles in this!)

>Chris

	NEVER apologize, Chris.  Before your correction, I thought you had
	turned a *very* clever phrase.  Even the smiley seemed fully
	appropriate.

	Now I just think you screwed up.

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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:07:00 CDT
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
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Subject:      Re: Pedant's Corner (was Russian speakers

Frank in Rhode Island notes that I left out one of the "cannot be"s
from his Great Chain of Cannot Being.  But if I put it back in, his
statement gets even odder: A cannot be B cannot be C, as in
"Economics cannot be codified into laws."

Doesn't stop us from trying: we have the law of demand, the law
of unintended consequences, the Sherman Antitrust Act, the Full
Employment and Price Stability Act, and law and economics.

Steve Karlson
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:52:21 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Descriptive and prescriptive

>   But has anybody said that "he doesn't" is innately superior to "he
> don't"? I hardly know what this would mean myself.

I'd have to check to see whether that specific example has been used,
but the general answer is yes.  People have suggested that standard
dialects are innately superior and are a sign of better thinking.
What was that hilarious stuff in the book Steve K. quoted a while
back about non-standard dialects and inability to do well in math?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:41:00 EST
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From:         "Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore"
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Subject:      Re: sad thought
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The dress code is starting to make a comeback in NYC public schools,
with some schools requiring uniforms to keep students from shooting
each other over Nikes, and to keep poor students from being ostracized
for not having the newest fashions.  I hope the idea spreads.

--Aaron (who always loved the way his private school girlfriend looked
in her tartan)
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:49:31 EDT
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From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Deserving Flames
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              92 3:15 pm

	Actually, Steve, I think most women *do* view sex as
a risky behavior in the beginning because of the risk of pregnancy.
In the teen years, when most have their first sexual encounter, it
is more common to see unreliable methods of birth control used (like
"withdrawal" etc.).  Boys may simply be on hormon-overdrive, but the
risk of pregnancy is VERY real and uppermost in the mind of girls.
As we get older, however, and get on the Pill or use diaphrams or
whatever, we lose that sense of risk.
	BTW, women's concern with Birth Control may be one of the
biggest reasons we don't seem to be as succeptable to AIDS as
gay male couples.  We tend to insist on condoms for bc reasons,
and spermicide has been shown to have some value in preventing
infection with the virus.  Other than for AIDS, gay male couples
don't have a use for these devices.

Rita
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:49:14 EDT
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From:         Fredric <FDOLEZAL%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:10:00 MDT The Ronin said:
>From:         Fredric <FDOLEZAL@UGA.BITNET>
>
>> LINGUISTS all over the world are embarrassed: GHETTO SLANG???????
>
>You name the time
>You name the place
>We'll rock 'n roll
>I'll break your face.
>
>The Ronin - Who was there and watched it happen and don't need no
                                       ^^what do "it" refer to, huh?

>            linguist to describe it to or for him.
>                                 ^^  what do "it" refer to, huh?

>p.s. Anyone who thinks 'rap' is late 70's and 80's lived in the wrong
>     neighborhoods.
Well, I heard 'rap' for the first time in 1968, but I doubt if it was the first
occurance, since the speaker seemed to be very fluent with it.

OK, I'll bite: what does SLANG mean?
From: TONY%VM1.MCGILL.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Tony Harminc)
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>On February 8, 1991, U.S. passports ceased to be valid for travel
>to, in or through Iraq and may not be used for that purpose unless a
>special validation has been obtained.  Without the requisite
>validation, use of a U.S. passport for travel to, in or through Iraq
>may constitute a violation of 18 U.S.C. 1544, and may be punishable
>by a fine and/or imprisonment.

Interesting - I thought it was dictatorships and other totalitarian
countries that restricted their citizens' right to travel...

Tony H.
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 08:57:05 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Well, really.
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> *Now* where do I find *you all's* biographies?

I'm glad you asked that question.  It reminds me to say again that the
collection of biographies is very small in comparison to the number of
regular participants on the list.  How about sending some more bios?
(Some of the existing ones are also probably out of date.) If you want
to add your bio to the collection, send it to me.  I'll post a copy on the
list and then add it to the ftp collection.  Note:  If you send one this
weekend, I probably won't add it to the ftp collection until I get home to
my better computing situation.

Existing biographies are available via anonymous ftp from ftp.msstate.edu or
isis.msstate.edu in docs/words-l with filename bios.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:51:22 -0500
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: sad thought (soapbox warning)
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On Sat, 11 Apr 1992, The Ronin wrote:

>      The biggest problem with public schools today isn't where their
> money comes from, how much money is spent on them, the quality or
> training of the teachers or the choice of the curriculum.  These may
> have some effect, but they are dwarfed (even if taken as a group) by
> the attitudes instilled in children by their parents.
.....(other really great stuff deleted)
>It didn't matter if we were in Kentucky, Gerogia, Texas, Colorado, Kansas or
> Maryland, my education progressed because my parents supported and
> encouraged me in it.  Not with money for good grades, but with
> patience for questions and a willingness to point me in the right
> direction when they didn't know outright.
.......
  When parents take this kind of an interest in shaping their children's
 interests, the child> will excel regardless of the school.  But if the child
 hasn't> developed the thirst for knowledge, the finest school will be hard
> pressed to help.

Your story illustrates so well just what I have been thinking...if more
parents valued education as yours did, and instilled that feeling in
their children, education in this country would be in far better shape.

Would you consider running for the school board in my district?:-)
ndh
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Understatement of the Year

> I travelled to France last may. All my stuff was searched and all passports
> stamps were checked. I was travelling alone. I am 25, so that might have been
                                               ^^^^^^^
> part of the problem. It was in New York. The thing that bothered me was that
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The underlined portions above indicate what are perhaps important
differences from my usual traveling.  I'm old and harmless looking, and
I avoid New York whenever possible.  The last time I flew through JFK
was in 1984, I think.  It helps that flying through Atlanta is usually
less expensive than through JFK (because of the cost from here to
Atlanta as opposed to from here to NY).  Even if it cost more to fly
through Atlanta than through JFK, I would try to do it (unless it
cost *LOTS* more).  I hate the mess at JFK, especially having to go
outside and ride on snaily busses caught in traffic to make connections
on other airlines.  Besides, people in Atlanta are more normal-talking
than people in NY. :-)

> I hate customs. Also when I finished a Rhine trip through Germany which ended
>  in Switzerland, we were met by machine gun toting customs agents. The
> agents harasses the Swiss like they were criminals and left the
> others alone.

You mean the Swiss agents?  I do remember now that Switzerland is
exceptional in that trains actually stop before entering Switzerland
so that customs agents can board the train and roam around.  But I
don't think they've stamped my passport in recent years.  Nobody has
on trains in Europes.  Airports tend to be more formal than trains,
but even the customs agents at the airport in Rome several years ago
just waved bunches of people right through without even looking to
see whether we had passports of any kind.

   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
     who wants to go to Europe after all this talk but who has spent
     all her money on fancy computers and doesn't even plan to have
     her passport renewed anytime soon  :-(
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Childhood readings
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And here is the reply I got from my sister about childhood reading.
Gads, do I love email.

--Adam

>From:	_IN%"AOJAP@ASUACAD.BITNET"  "(enter your name here)" 11-APR-1992
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>   Mr. Adam, Of course we read to you!!!! Don't you remember The Pokey
>Little Puppy? among the other myriad Golden Books classics we treated you
>to? Once you got older than those, you were up and running on your own, so
>probably we stopped reading to you at the kindergarten age, as you remember.

I have to admit that I have NO recollection of "The Pokey Little
Puppy"...although I do remember The Silver Dandelion.
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Fitting in

>College students?  Well personally I call myself a university student
>since college students are a different sort.  Grad student (hey,
>if I can't drop a PhD, I can at least drop a M.Sc. in progress ;-)


Just as long as you don't drop your drawers!

>Asteve APortigal (I got the aportigal blues)

Chris
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