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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Wing Chun Trapping, Boxing
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:31:13 GMT

actize@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>I wrote:
>>...the trick is to trap off the hand
>>of your opponent that poses the most immediate threat.
>
>Not so.  If the opponent has a 45 in his left and a popgun in his right, which 
>would you worry about ?

Frankly, I wouldn't waste time trying to figure out which was a
weapon and which was a toy.  In a self-defense situation, my
working hypothesis is that any handgun-like object pointed at me
is a lethal threat.  So, I would have to worry equally about
both.  But, if your question is which one would I work on first,
my answer is the one nearest to me.  You only have a fraction of
a second to beat his trigger finger and no second chances, so
you neutralize the gun you can reach quickest firstest.

Note, I'm not implying here that I can handle two-gun Pete.
Beating a single gun is hard enough.  I can only do it
consistently against opponents (training partners) who make
serious tactical errors (e.g, come too close, let me put my
hands in an advantageous position, talk too much, etc.).  But
two guns would be a roll of the dice.  Fortunately, I don't
think there are too many bad guys out there who actually fight
this way.  Holding two guns makes it difficult to snatch your 
wallet, rip open your blouse, or whatever.

>>For example, take the position that results from your zoning in
>>and toward the right.  In this position, it is his left hand
>>that threatens you most immediately because he can stick it in
>>your face quickly.  He can't reach you as quickly with a right
>>hand because he would have to change position to hit you that
>>way. So, his left hand is the one you want to trap.  You use your
>>right hand to do the trapping because this opens up the best
>>line of counterattack.  You could use your left hand to do the
>>trapping, but that would leave you in stalemate since you can't
>>reach him to counterattack with your right anymore easily than
>>he can reach you.  By using your right hand to do the trapping,
>>you leave your left free to punch him immediately in the face."
>
>Well, you lost me there.  

Sorry, it was a (poor) attempt to describe a situation where you
might want to trap your opponent's left hand using your right.
Maybe these diagrams will help.  Figure 1 is the starting
position, an aerial view of player "=" facing player "-" with
their L and R sides marked.  Figure 2 shows player = moving in
and to the right.  Figure 3 shows player = using his right hand
to trap and clear player -'s left, and using his left hand to
punch player - in the face.

     R-----L               R-----L               R-----L
                                                    L   R
                                                    |    \
                               L=====R              +=====+
     L=====R                  / / / 

        1.                    2.                    3.
--
Richard A. Drury                    National Institutes of Health
drury@helix.nih.gov                 31/B3C27, Bethesda, MD, USA
From: nahilgendorf@honors.uoregon.edu (Nathan Hilgendorf)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Puzzled - History of Korean MAs
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:54:59 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Honors College
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In article <1993Jan20.151809.21008@yang.earlham.edu> marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt)) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.035617.22554@massey.ac.nz>, M.J.Wright@massey.ac.nz (M.J. Wright) writes:
>> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes
>> 
>>>>   The story I heard was that techniques were preserved in monastries and
>>>>   by individual practicioners.  In fact part of the purpose of Patterns
>>>>   (Kata) was to allow solitary practice when it was too dangerous
>>       ^^^^
>>> Hee hee hee...the thought of Truly Korean Martial Art Forms being called
>>>"kata" just strikes me as funny...
>> 
>> Actually, they're not.  I just included this for those who couldn't
>> otherwise understand.
>Go idea, but then you could say "pomse, or kata" (I think I am spelling 
>pomse wrong, but I'm not sure)

Ah, yes, but not all TKD systems use the word, "poomse". Some of us say  
"patterns," instead.
From: Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: MARTIAL FARTS!?
Date: 25 Jan 93 05:52:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: transarc.0fN0nDP0Bwx2AJeCVm
	<1993Jan21.174524.29774@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

joshg@athena.mit.edu (Josh Gagliardi) writes:
> I once had a Japanese judo teacher who would respond to this question as
> he did to many others we smelling-like-butter westerners would ask:
> "More rice."

	Drinking lots of green tea might be helpful too...
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From: tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim Ryan)
Subject: Re: TKD rule survey
Organization: loral western development labs
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:21:52 GMT

In article <C1In3I.8K7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> During the last few tournaments I've been to and reffed, I've
> noticed a couple of controversial points.  How would people
> rule the following?
>

At the our tournaments the following answers would apply:

> 1.  Inside crescent kick (push, not strike) to back of thigh to
>     jam opponent's back spin kick.  Is this an illegal strike to
>     the leg (remember, it's  a push) or is it a legal block?

It would be illegal in our tournaments
 
> 2.  Push kick to opponent's butt to stop his back side kick (aka.
>     spinning side kick, dui yup chagi, etc.).  Is this an illegal
>     strike to the back or a legal jamming action?

Any kick to the back area is illegal and the other opponent 
(after 1 warning) would get a point.

> 3.  Using the leg to block kicks (either with a shin smash as an
>     inward block or with the outer thigh as an outward block).
>     Is this an illegal strike to the leg, or is is a legal block?

Leg blocks are acceptible, in most cases it would appear as a clash unless
you score a point that is very clear such as a back fist or ridge hand
(light contact if any to the head).

Just thought I'd let you know how it would be scored at our TKD 
tournaments.

Tim
West Coast Tae Kwon Do
(The above replies are mine and mine alone the company I work for doesn't
 pay me to have an opinion!) :o)||
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From: satadd00@nx21.mik.uky.edu (scott andrew taddiken)
Subject: Re: Atemi waza in judo
Organization: University of Kentucky
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:03:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.142217.16586@netnews.smithkline.com> ryan@netnews.smithkline.com (Dominic Ryan) writes:
>I am curious to know if any clubs practice the atemi-waza katas as described
>in Kano's book.  I have been told that they are no longer taught, partly 
>because they are not included in the kata competitions. 

There are (pause) 2 and a half katas in judo in which one is supposed to
become proficient in atemi.  They are:

Kime no Kata.  Self defence, with a little of the flavor
of the armorclad samurai.

Kodokan Goshin Jutsu.  Self defence, with more wristlocks
and "modern street" flavor.  One is supposed to learn
Kime no Kata as a groundwork for the Goshin Jutsu.

Seiryoku Zenyo Kokumin Taiiku.  This is the half.  A
physical education workout program invented by Kano.
One strikes out in many directions as a form of exercise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Scott Taddiken, University of Kentucky
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kung Fu (the TV show)
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:23:01 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1993Jan20.164658.6397@netcom.com>, dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe) writes:
|> In article <2767@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> kwp@ukc.ac.uk (K.W.Pang) writes:
|> >Carradine has recently published a book,  I think it is called " Way of Shoalin",
|> >it is supposed to have had some pretty good reviews.
|> >
|> >Anyone out there has read it?
|> 
|> This is the one where the glossary indicates that Aikido is a form of TKD.
|> 
|> Draw your own conclusions...
|> 
|> One of the groupie-rags has an interview with Carradine in it this month.
|> In it, he claims that he will have much more artistic control over the
|> new series.  Considering the quality of "Kung Fu: the Movie" I'd suspect
|> that that would be the kiss of death.


That what was the kiss-of-death of the original show.  It was a very
good show (artistic wise) until Carradine got artistic control.  The
show got really strange after that.
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: TKD rule survey
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:04:34 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1993Jan27.192152.13844@wdl.loral.com> tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim Ryan) writes:
>
>> 3.  Using the leg to block kicks (either with a shin smash as an
>>     inward block or with the outer thigh as an outward block).
>>     Is this an illegal strike to the leg, or is is a legal block?
>
>Leg blocks are acceptible, in most cases it would appear as a clash unless
>you score a point that is very clear such as a back fist or ridge hand
>(light contact if any to the head).

So you allow hand attacks to the head?  Out here it is generally
illegal to even fake a hand attack to the head.

More on the leg blocks; I generally lift my knee, block with shin, and
then continue with a side or roundhouse kick to the head.  Would this
be ok?

Dakin
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: Women murdered in Mass.
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:26:00 GMT

In article <MHIRSCH.93Jan21115216@dynastar.princeton.edu> mhirsch@dynastar.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>
>All this seems like pretty good precautions.  Well, she went out to
>get her mail and her husband shot her, then shot himself.
	
	At least he did himself as well.
>
>Basically, it seems to me that the woman's training didn't fail her at
>all.  

	I'm not sure you can say this without the more or less gory
	details of how he approached her and how the killing proceeded.
	Maybe it did maybe not.  I'd like to know exactly how he made
	his assault because I would like to know if a firearm would
	have helped her in any way.  I suspect it may not have, but
	who knows.  It certainly could not have hurt.

>If someone really wants to kill you he/she can.  

	Amen to *that*!!

	-Andy V.
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Women's self-defense success stories!
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:16:41 GMT

In article <C1H76H.9sC@ms.uky.edu> cyeomans@ms.uky.edu (Charles Yeomans) writes:
>In article <1jtekfINNj4r@pith.uoregon.edu> toman@bovine.uoregon.edu (Jay toman) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan19.052057.14896@trl.oz.au> djewell@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (David Jewell - Radio and Satellite Networks) writes:
>>>
>>>OK, here goes one.

	[pleasing story snip-O'd]
>>>
>>I'm not sure how this is a "success" story. He didn't assault her, she
>>assaulted him. You can't beat on somebody just because they annoy you,
>>or scare you. The situation you describe just doesn't sound like it warrants
>>the use of (potentially deadly) force.
>>
>>						J. Toman
>
>"Assault" does not have to involve physical contact - even according to
>the legal definition.  Assuming the narration above, an assault was
>probably committed and the response was likely appropriate.

	I would add that in many states, it is quite legal to launch a
	preemptive strike if an assault is reasonably expected.  There
	was a more or less landmark case several years ago where a guy
	killed someone in anticipation of an attack.  He was tried for
	murder and acquitted based on the fact that it was shown that
	he had reason to believe that a life threatening attack was
	imminent.

	This clearly says that folks don't have a right to mess with folks.
	If you do, you risk a lot.  I think this is quite correct.

	-Andy V.

PS I do not remember the name of the persons involved in the above mentioned
case, sorry.
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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Subject: Re: difference between quarterstaff and jo?
Organization: Twilight Zone
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:52:05 GMT

In article <C1681q.Ln6@math.uwaterloo.ca> gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca (Guy Middleton) writes:
>Does anybody know how the mediaeval European quarterstaff was used?
>I'd like to see if there is any similarity to jo-jitsu techniques.
					       ^^^^^^^^

	Is that guy still alive??  Does he still work for Tracy?

	So sorry... skyooooz preeeeze

	-Brain Dead
From: actize@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Celtic History
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:07:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ucb
NNTP-Posting-Host: sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu

Hello Celtic historians.  Do you know anything about  Celts vs. Normans . In 
1066 William the Conquerer of Normandy (hence the word "Norman") invaded and 
conquered what we know as England.  The people he invaded were Anglo-Saxons, 
who I am guessing were a Celtic people.
From: krause@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Mike Krause)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:37:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Openings.
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts

/ hpindda:rec.martial-arts / drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) / 11:27 pm  Jan 22, 1993 /
>Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com writes:
>>	We have 2 different viewpoints on the matter:
>>
>>	1) No matter how good the martial artist is, there are _always_
>>openings which can be exploited by their opponent(s).
>>
>>	2) The _best_ martial artists do not give their opponents _any_
>>openings to exploit. Either by timing, or positioning, the openings
>>only occur when and where their opponent(s) cannot take advantage of them.
>
>	3) Martial artists often master their opponents by presenting
>"openings" that are only apparently so, and then slamming them shut
>at the appropriate moment.
>
>The question of whether you can actually fight without presenting
>*any* openings strikes me as not the critical issue.  Regardless of
>the answer to that question, your opponent will eventually *think* he
>sees an opening and take a particular a line of attack.  You can hope
>that he chooses poorly, but why leave it entirely up to him?  There
>is a far better percentage in making yourself *seem* to be open to
>exactly the form(s) of attack that you can counter most decisively.
>--
An excellant point.  One thing we teach when it comes to knife fighting
is to leave certain areas open that you can actually control.  This creates
a focus for the attacker and give you a better chance of controlling the
blade.  For those who don't believe, a blade moves much faster than most
people think and the ability to actually block it and control it are
very difficult to master, more so, IMO than open hand combat.  So, the
idea of creating an opening has definite merit and can be used to actually
limit the attacker's options and thought process.  BTW, this idea is
also useful when fighting people of different styles, for instance, if
fighting a person who does a lot of kicking, leaving certain opening seems
to focus the kicker on that area which allows the defender to control the
attack.  I've used this strategy often and it seems to work.
Richard A. Drury                    National Institutes of Health
drury@helix.nih.gov                 31/B3C27, Bethesda, MD, USA
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From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: Strengthening fingers/hand
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 04:37:53 GMT


shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>
>Anyway, I'm looking for some method to strengthen my hands and fingers
>(For grips and throws) quietly.. so I could do it during class, without
>the noisy "clachink, clachink" of those A-shaped exercisers.   


   Try this: just try opening your fingers from a closed fist (and 
   then back to a fist) repeatedly.  You probably won't feel anything
   for maybe 30 seconds, then after a minute a burn will begin.
   It will be quite noticable after that.  Be sure to open your fingers
   as wide as possible, don't cheat.  A more difficult method is to 
   rotate your wrists while opening and closing your fingers --

     -- Ted --

==========================================================
  Ted Camus                          Box 1910 CS Dept 
  tac@cs.brown.edu                   Brown University
  tac@browncs.BITNET                 Providence, RI 02912
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From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: difference between quarterstaff and jo?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:47:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.173301.2106@bnr.ca> mholden@bcarh786.bnr.ca (Mark Holden) writes:
>This brought something to mind (for you Star Trek fans out there). There
>was one episode of the "Next Generation" where Riker and his father 
>get into a match of "Ambo Jitsu" (spelling?), which his father claimed as the
>ultimate of the martial arts. They used some futuristic bo or something
^^^^^^^^
Of course they'd say it was the "ultimate", wouldnt sound too exciting
if they said it was an outmoded ineffective MA, used by ancients, only
practice now as a curiosity.

But better yet, remember the eps where Lt.Yaar starts up the "Aikido"
practice program on the holodeck, and a guy in a ninja outfit appears!
That's classic!

>(blinking lights, made low humming sounds as it was swung, etc), and their 
>eyes were shielded. 
>Does this art have any existence, or is it just some futuristic decendent
>of current art forms (ie., jo-jitsu)?
>
>Mark

No idea, I doubt it though.
From: wwood@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: test
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:04:32 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

this is a test
From: roberts@pogo.wv.tek.com (Robert Stroud)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:49:43 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <1993Jan26.164414.29599@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
>I shot an Elephant in my gi once...
  
    How he got in my gi
    I'll never know!

Thanks to Groucho sensei :-)

-- 
Robert Stroud       Robert_Stroud@simulacrum.wv.tek.com
Obukan Kendo Club   Portland Oregon USA
From: Simon <sb91@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fights and blackbelt confidence
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:35:23 GMT
Organization: DA : Drowner's Anonymous
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In <C19zr4.4xA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:

>In article <30324@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, hogue@cs.arizona.edu (Justin C. Hogue) says most sayishly:
>>In article <memo.881091@cix.compulink.co.uk> bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>>>I'd be interested to know (from a wide sample of people) how fights start.
>>>
>>  This oughta make you think....
>> At an arcade, two guys my size hog the game from me and some kids.  After 
>[story]

[Stuff deleted]

>While we're on the topic, I know blackbelts aren't invincible or
>anything, but I think it's a confidence thing.  I know that, personally,
>after I had gone through years of training and had become a blackbelt,
>I'd feel pretty good about myself and sure as hell wouldn't hesitate to
>talk back to someone who was giving me a hard time.  Now I'm just a
>white belt, and when someone starts hassling me, I remain unobtrusive
>and just take it, which I don't really like doing.  This doesn't mean
>that when I'm a blackbelt, and someone bugs me, I'd throw them across
>the room.  As our instructor said, avoid a fight at all costs, but if
>you have to fight, do what you must.  I don't think I'd be egging him
>on, but if someone started making rude comments about my best friend,
>I'm not going to sit there and not say anything (as I do now. me wimp!
>:).  Any one else feel this way?

I can remember a saying (can't remember who said it though, anybody remember)
which essentially said that a coward who takes up a martial art becomes a
coward who knows some techniques. Ie the coward will not be able to do the
techniques due to fear, etc.

I personally beleive that I should avoid fights at all costs.....
BUT if there is no other alternative, I will make sure that the person
I am fighting will be on the floor as quickly as possible. I think that this
is true even for high grades, no matter how good they are. Saying that, if
someone attacked (note I say attacked, as in hit) a friend of mine, or someone
in the same group, then I would try to intervene (as in charm the people down,
break the fight up). Only if *I* am attacked will I use my martial art to
defend myself, some thing which I wish will never happen.
-- 
Simon

 A lecture is just a labour intensive method of getting about 50
 inaccurate copies of the lecturer's notes.

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From: jangi@hilbert.coe.northeastern.edu (Shrirang Jangi)
Subject: Jet Lee and Tsui Hark (Was Re: Brandon Lee Movies)
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:17:08 GMT

In article <1k57nm$35j@agate.berkeley.edu> sandyl@soda.berkeley.edu (Sandy Lai) writes:
>QUESTIONS ?
>I heard that Jet Li is/was in hiding in mainlaand China for some reason-ois this true ?
>
>Has Wong Fei Hong 3 been made ? Did Tsui Hark direct ?
>
>What is the Chinese name of Swordsman 3 ?
>
>Comments
>Personally I think that both Swordsman films are great and fun as are both Once Upon a time in China films. All 4 films are tons of fun and really enjoyable. I recommend catching both films at the theater if possible.(The video quality are not really represntative of how good the films really look)
>
>I though Jackie Chans Double Dragon was cool. My favorite of his recent flicks is Armour of God. PS his films are better than his singing!

I think Jet Lee was stuck in CHina for a while due to visa problems. I think
that during that time his manager was killed, too. Very messy.

Yes, Wong Fei Hong Pt. 3 has been made and Tsui Hark directed it. He is now 
making Pt.4. Pt. 3 stars Jet Lee but Pt. 4 will not. Jet Lee has gone off on
his own to make movies. Pt. 3 will be his last collaboration with Tsui Hark.
FYI, Jet Lee was a martial arts champion in China before starring in
"Shaolin Temple" in 84 (?) which made him famous.

I still think "Police Story" (the 1st one) is Jacky Chan's best. But I guess
any movie starring Jacky is worth checking out because he basically risks
his life doing it.

BTW, Sowrdsman I is not really directed by Tsui hark. He just produced it.
Chinese name of Swordsman 3 is something like "Eastern Invincible - Wind Cloud
Rise Again".


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From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Dogs and such
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:54:48 GMT


	I would have to agree with an earlier poster.  If you are
moving through some place with some mean dogs, a short sword/long
knife would be optimal.  Don't have to worry about bullets
running out or jamming, superior reach, and multi-purpose(Making
spiked stickswith machete and then charring end to make spear,
as well as good for trail breaking through heavy underbrush, as
well as making spieks for various traps, etc., etc.)  In my opinion,
a good $6 machete is the perfect inanimate bodyguard for a trip
through the wilds, assuming no worry of armed human opponents.
Cheap, legal and effective.

			John

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