From: beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)
Subject: Re: Darwinism, social and otherwise
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:36:27 GMT

Original-Sender: anchor.esd.sgi.com!lyn (Lyn Dearborn)

Wow! how incredible!  An ALMOST-non insulting message on the subject
of Darwinism, social & otherwise, that didn't call anyone hysterical names,
or compare anyone with David Duke, and only slightly picked on Martha DUnham
for having the courage to butt in and offer an opinion many of us have felt
but didn't want to incur someones over-verbaged wrath.  It was refreshing
to see a message that didn't sling mud at Peshe for "reacting" to pedantic
B.S.  I would really like to suggest that yet-another news group be formed
under the name of something like "Darwin.chat" or "genocide.chat" or "pointless
 .chat" so those of us who pay $$$ to read NATIVE AMERICAN ISSUES news and
"chatter" won't be throwing our money away on gobble-d-gook.  (Oh, no! I'm
the next target!!)... I've gotten some interesting replies from others
who feel overwhelmed by the "English, but too archaic to understand" replies
that have been slung back and forth but what appears to be little reason
other than ego boosting .... sort of like puppies fighting over a bone at
times...  There is value there, somewhere, but it is lost in name calling
and insults.

Now along the lines of value:
	
"the choice is whether the path we
choose will be as informed as possible, or goverened only by ignorance
and greed. And which is more likely to lead to an early extinction for
our species?

If you are intersted in participating in "saving" a Native American Culture
from threatened extinction (because of greed) by a comparatively new
THREAT ... the huge influx of refugees from the Eastern part of the world who
IGNORE and REFUSE to abide by the laws of their recently adopted homeland,
the Indians in Northern California, and other parts of the country as well,
can use your help.

I've mentioned before the new "FIsh and Game Laws regarding the buying and
selling of pieces/parts of any Animal or Bird native to California" which I
mentioned a couple of months ago before we had a meeting with the Dept. of the
Interior and the California State Dept. of Fish and Game.  In practice, this
law appeared almost to be racist because its downright restraint of trade on
Native Americans who earn a substantial portion of their income in the making
and selling of Native American Arts & Crafts (God, I hate that term).  The
new laws are incredibly restrictive, and causing almost glutanous hording of
available materials obtained out of state by those of us who "need" this stuff
(or think we need it).  This includes such "seemingly innocent" things as
porcupine quills, antlers, bones, fur, etc..... all illegal to buy and sell
until further notice. Upon attending the meeting with Fish & Game, and many
of us harboring hostile thoughts toward those "guardians of the wilderness"
 ...HA! ... they couldn't guard a rabid skunk ..... we were made to understand
what they claim was the impetous to bringing in these laws.... Illegal export
of body parts like you wouldn't believe to China and other destinations in the
orient.... the gall bladder of a baby bear bringing over $1000 on the black
market ...as an aphrodisiac ... the population showing it REALLY isn't needed.
So Fish & Game catches the "criminals", gives them the proverbial slap on the
wrist, fines them $1000 and they're back out there doing the same thing again
a week later....  Where have we gone wrong on our immigration policy or "Give me
your tired, your weak, your mentally deranged? ... Too bad the Native Americans
didn't have immigration cutoffs.  Now the wilderness itself is being "attacked"
by these people who are cutting all the bear grass and carting it away by the
Van load.  Why are they getting away with it?  If this were a bunch of
hispanics, I'd be willing to bet we'd deport them .... so why not these people,
who CLAIM they have no idea that butchering animals just for their organs is
illegal?  So stop the asanine dog fights over total B.S. and do something
to HELP the Native Americans .... since that is supposedly why we are on the
Native Net in the first place...  Charity SHOULD begin at home!  Forget the
contest to see who can use the greatest number of words over 6 letters in
lengths (Alan wins) that no one else knows how to use (or wants to) and get
back to what we supposedly care about the most, or we wouldn't be reading
this crud in the first place!  So who wins the debate of Alan against Peshe?
Martha!  O.K., that's enough, you guys!  I hate dumping mail without even
reading it because its a drag, and makes me feel like "checking the mail"
is pointless!

The End

Those wishing to put their aggressive tendencies toward a more productive
end should write to their Congressmen about "closing the door" on imigration
in general or with a clause that says if you are arresting for violating another
culture's "space" or interferring with the indigenous culture's ability to
earn a living by STEALING their cultures property, you get deported.  You cannot
believe the problems experienced on the west coast (& I'm sure it is elsewhere
as well) by farmers, Indians, etc. because of recent immigrants who feel we
owe them a living (perhaps for trashing their homeland in that arrogant way
we have of butting in on everyone's civil wars).  The Pomos are being told
they can't harvest the sea weed they've eaten for a thousand years because
it is being ripped off to the point of being endangered, NOT BY THOSE WHO
JUST WANT TO USE IT THEMSELF, but by new immigrants who "rape and sell" ...
just as is happening with bear grass, willow, etc.  Violators should be
imprisoned if it is known that they are responsible for the slaughter of
native animals just for their organs .... not fined.  The Indians have NEVER
exploited nature to get things they don't need.  What in the hell is wrong
with this country anyway?  So put your money where your mouth is so to
speak and write to your Congressmen, Senators, the California Fish & Game
commission, the Forestry service, and the Immigration Board.  Why do only
some of us have to follow the laws?  Why can these $1000 fines be just
looked at as "the cost of doing business"?  Now here is an issue worth
writing about ..... but use the U.S. Mail to people who COULD HELP IF THEY
REALIZED WHAT WAS GOING ON.

lyn

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