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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:53:43 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
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In article <BzMzJ3.86n@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>
>   When I compare CD-ROM desktop computer systems, I am usually talking about
>systems with a current OS, detached keyboard, hi-res non-interlaced display,
>fast 32-bit CPU, 262,144-color or 16-million-color palette, and CD-ROM drive.

   You obviously think that CD-ROM is some sort of miraculous device that
transforms your system into the next-wave of technology. IT IS NOT. CD-ROM is
merely a storage medium, just like anything that has come before it, like
tape, removable disk, and hard disks. CD-ROM doesn't add colors, it doesn't
add speed, and it doesn't add features. It just stores. Any system can be
made to work with a CD-ROM drive.
   As someone that has overseen two CD-ROM projects since September, I think
I can fairly say I have a good grip on CD-ROM and what it means (see my
tagline). A third will begin in the Spring (it's supposed to be demoed at
CES). From this experience, I've begun to see CD-ROM as nothing more than
mass-storage. It's really funny seeing all the "multimedia" marketing hype -
the people that make these ads obviously have no clue.     
   While I would also like to see Commodore add more CD-ROM support to the
Amiga, such third-party solutions have been available for well over a year.
Right now, I personally don't care WHO makes a product as long as it does
what I want it to do. If Commodore has the CD-ROM drive I want, fine. If they
do not, fine - I'll go to a third-party.
   CD-ROM does not determine what composes the rest of the system.

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Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 1 Jan 93 13:31:08 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec29.153931.3485@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):

> Nope, it's an OS.  It does not "sit on top of DOS"; it replaces everything
> that DOS provides in terms of device management, memory management, etc.  It

    Can you install Windows without DOS?

> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 03:24:58 GMT

In article <jbickers.0m29@templar.actrix.gen.nz> jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>Quoted from <1992Dec24.014141.22436@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):
>
>> new OSes or 'fixing' HD problems.  Long gone are the days that PC relied 
>> on floppy drives to operate, verily: in those days of old, they too
>> had two same-size floppy drives.
>
>    We have some XTs around the office, connected to a network. They
>    only have one 5.25" drive each.

XTs have/had hard drives.

My point, which you took about a millisecond to analyze, is that when
a computer, AMiga -or- PC relies on floppies, usually uses two same-
size floppy drives.

>    The machines that we do have with dual drives have one 3.5" and
>    one 5.25", and not because it's convenient but because it's
>    _required_ to convert from one disk format to another. Which is a
>    pain, but that's PCs for you. It is also complicated by the fact
>    that both size drives have different size formats, 360KB vs 720KB
>    vs 1.4MB vs 2.xMB, so one can't just use old drives.

Well, if Babbage's does not have 3.5" disk software, it is convenient to 
get 5.25" disk software.  Name convenience what you will.

Also, it has been a long while since PCs sold with low density floppy
drives.  ANd by themselves they are very cheap.

My next PC will have 2.88meg floppies, for sure.

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From: king@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Stephen King)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:05:00 GMT
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine

In article <C01HAx.LGq@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
> ...  Commodore's problem is that the bulk
>of their sales are to these electronically-ignorant individuals who use their
>computers as home computers.  

People who use their computers as 'home computers' are not necessarily
electronically ignorant.

The people who know more-than-average about computer hardware and/or software 
are more often the ones buying Amigas because they can see the advantages
of a truly superior system without being blinded by marketing hype. 

People who know nothing about computers buy PCs. 

End of argument.
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From: robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan got the Amiga 1000!
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:02:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.Bzw88n.898
Distribution: world
Organization: a gora

In article <57992@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.053811.10127@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>>Why can't I drag a window DOWN so that part of it 'hangs' off the side or
>>bottom?
>
>	Amiga (Intuition) windows don't do that; they must remain entirely
>inside their screen.  Today's Amigas get around the problem by letting you
>specify a screen larger than the monitor display, and you can drag your
>windows all over it.



  Actually you could do this with 1.2 or 1.3, which is probably what he
is running on that old A1000.  Just hold down the left Amiga key and
either the M or N keys and drag the window with the mouse.
  Just make sure you aren't doing anything else important at the same time.
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:58:57 GMT
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Martin Ozolins (monster@mbear.apana.org.au) wrote:
:
: And after a Text book definition was quoted for your benefit, you went away
: for a few weeks and gave us peace and quiet.
:

I guess some people really see what they want to see when they read c.s.a.a.
Nobody ever proved anything, on this newsgroup or any other, about what is
the undisputable definition of the term "operating system".

And I went away for a while because my company moved and I had no news
access.

:
: Martin Ozolins :Internet monster@mbear.apana.org.au
:
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From: philip@utstat.toronto.edu (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:03:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.175003.22727@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

[ ]
>:
>: The biggest hype around surrounds all these 486's and their fast 
>: hard drives, which for the most part are still running 8 bit software and
>: can't figure out which interrupts are taken.
>:  
>
>Interesting statement, Philip.  The original PC had an 8088 CPU.  How does
>one write 8-bit software for a 16-bit (internal) CPU?

Sorry, meant 16. I keep getting confused between all the various memory
models, segment sizes, etc...on the PC. Nevertheless replace the 8 by 16
and I still hold to my statement.
 
Philip
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Questions about new computers/future chipsets
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:27:25 GMT

In article <C022K5.B2w@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
writes:

>>Has C= mentioned whether the new machines (A4000, A1200, etc) will 
>>be able to handle either their low-end or high-end chipsets when they
>>are released in 1994?  

>   No.  The chipsets in the A4000 and A1200 are surface-mounted. They 
>cannot be replaced.

They can't be replaced under the current configurations, but with the
A4000, the possibility certainly exists to attain future chipset
capabilities using a graphics processor under RTG.

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From: mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:24:51 GMT
Reply-To: Mike Passaretti <passaretti@crd.ge.com>
Organization: GE Aircraft Engines, Cincinnati OH


# In message <1992Dec28.230801.3534@crd.ge.com>, 
# mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti) writes:

mm> [some stuff that's not relevant to this question]

Did this message (the referenced one) actually make it out 
into the wild world? 

It's here (on my NNTP server), but I've been having some
problems with long messages in GNUS lately, so I'm sending
them manually with Pnews and they seem to be getting dropped
on the floor somewhere.
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:13:37 GMT

In <1992Dec28.174107.15214@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>The greater pixel depth means that more data needs to be transferred during
>screen updates.

That makes it (relativly) slower. But why is a GUI better or worse if it
has to transport more or less data during screen updates ?

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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:30:00 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1992Dec22.153227.19928@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>I disagree.  Why is it, then, that Amiga programs *don't* have consistent
>user interfaces?  IMHO, screens are useful on the Amiga for two reasons.

Because there are a lot of really, really dumb companies out there who
think it's cool to do everything themselves rather than making it
require or use 2.0.

>First, they are a speed optimization, which isn't necesary on systems with
>decent GUI performance.  Second, some applications need to work at certain

Which isn't the reason.

>screen resolutions, and this wouldn't be the case if the Amiga had DIG.

Which isn't the reason either.

You're rather good at being wrong, you know.

1)The Amiga was designed around efficient multitasking.  As desktop
space decreases, productivity decreases.  Correct?  Now, be dumb and
tell me that you'll never run out of screen space for as long as you
have memory.  The Amiga users can make that claim--If I get low on
real-estate, I open another screen.  I group applications together by
function.  This gives more flexibility and power than just one screen,
and solves the problem of running out of real estate rather than
constantly upgrading your video system to have that much more
resolution.

2) The Amiga has a wide variety of resolutions and depths.  The
problems come in that some applications are better suited to some
resolutions and depths than others.  Add the fact that the Amiga's
graphics system runs faster if less of your graphical resources are
used, and you've got a very good argument for not having a 256-color
WB under AGA and running everything on the Workbench screen.  Let
DPaint IV-AGA have its own screen while you run an extremely fast
64-color WB.  Give AmigaTeX its own screen, and put your editor there
with it.  Make a screen for your telecommunications stuff, another
screen for your AS225 software, and leave X to its own screen, too.

All I can say is:  Don't knock it till you try it.  It's quite
natural.  If I run out of deskspace at home, I find somewhere else to
put something, I don't scatter things across the desktop.


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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Marc Barrett, Superstar!
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:07:22 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec22.054513.29159@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):

> Get a life!

    You are the one that needs a life, citizen, posting a dumb article
    like this.

> Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:03:00 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec28.152731.12893@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):

> :     level that is expected nowadays". This sentence of yours is pure
> :     hogwash.

> So is your claim that a 512K Amiga can run "current feature level"
> applications.  So my analogy holds perfectly, while you're just whining.

    Absurd. A 512KB Amiga can and does run such applications.

> :     Your Atari 800 example is foolish, but because it's your argument
> :     you refuse to admit so. Your bald-faced lie about it being able
> :     to run the apps of today is just sinking you deeper into your web

> Excuse me, John, but *you* are lying about what I said.  I said the Atari 800
> could run useful apps for *its* day, not the apps of today.  The same is true

    This is exactly where the analogy breaks down. The applications a
    512KB Amiga can and does run *now* are state-of-the-art across
    microcomputer platforms.

    BTW, can you quote your original article as saying anything about
    "*its* day"? I don't recall seeing any mention of that at all,
    otherwise I would have pointed it out in my reply to Dan.

> :     Har! You introduced a broken analogy, but true to form you'll
> :     stand by it, eh? No matter what lies you have to produce to back

> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:41:07 GMT
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Michael van Elst (mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de) wrote:
:
: >It *was* always better, because Windows was moving 256-color graphics on an
: >800x600 screen, while the Amiga had 4 colors at 640x400.
:
: I wonder why this has anything to do with the GUI. A GUI doesn't look
: at number of pixels or colors... btw, Windows does not use 256 colors in
: its GUI nor does Intuition limit you to 640x400x4 colors.
:

The greater pixel depth means that more data needs to be transferred during
screen updates.

:
: Michael van Elst
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From: s37732v@snakemail.hut.fi (Markus Juhani Aalto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amigaguide Management System
Date: 3 Jan 93 09:47:37 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
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In-reply-to: paul@dragons.DIALix.oz.au's message of 2 Jan 93 10:01:18 GMT

In article <paul.046e@dragons.DIALix.oz.au> paul@dragons.DIALix.oz.au (Paul O'Neill) writes:

   Erik Funkenbusch (chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org) wrote:

   [stuff deleted]

   > As it is, i've got freakin (who put the freak in Amigaguide?) .guide files
   > coming out my wazoo from EVERYTHING i've been getting lately.  PowerVisor, SAS
   > C 6 (damn, i still have to get that registration card in..), Mostra, Cerca (a
   > file finder), ToolManager, etc.. etc..

   > I wish someone would come up with a .guide management system... some way to
   > put all your .guide files somewhere and be able to view them from a common key
   > sequence..

   This sounds like a QBNSD (Quick but no so dirty :) project - if no one has
   started it I'll undertake it.

Glad to hear. I have suggestions already. 

How about making it accept normal text files too, so that with one system
I could use both .guide and text files.

Something like this: 	GUIDEMANUALS assign to one directory and
			TEXTMANUALS assign to other directory.

			Then with a hotkey your program scan's through
			those assigned dirs and makes a large collection
			of buttons for every manual selection or makes
			a listview. If amigaguide manual is selected then
			AmigaGuide (or MultiView) is launched and if 
			text files is selected then users preffered text
			reader is launched. 

Well, it's just a suggestion.

>   Offers of Beta testers please?

If it's good, I sign up. :)

>   And where should I post the final release?

amiga.physik or one of its mirrors would be nice.


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From: douddy@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bill, the keeper of knoledge. Re:  OS/2 vs Win NT
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:20:10 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <38084@cbmvax.commodore.com>, andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
> In article <BzH1E8.65y@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.192447.5281@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>>>Yea verily! And the Stock Splitteth yet again....
>>And yea did the FCC charges be brought upon him, and his empire did
>>fall, yea like Babylon.
>>
>>--Jason Balicki
> More likely, rather than owning one billion dollar company, after the
> FTC descends upon him, Mr Gates will own _two_ billion dollar
> companies :-)
> 
> Which would be fine, as long as the FCC made him get Gary Kiddall to
> run one of them :-)
	Gary Kiddall?  Why not Irving Gould?
From: mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan got the Amiga 1000!
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:52:04 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Dec23.053811.10127@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) wrote:
>and I have: an Amiga1000, with half Meg, a 1080 monitor with a broken
>speaker, and an extra floppy drive.  I almost gave up on

How much did you pay for this?

I have a vintage Mac 128K that you may be interested in...
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:07:04 GMT

In <1992Dec28.153620.13038@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>It *was* always better, because Windows was moving 256-color graphics on an
>800x600 screen, while the Amiga had 4 colors at 640x400.

I wonder why this has anything to do with the GUI. A GUI doesn't look
at number of pixels or colors... btw, Windows does not use 256 colors in
its GUI nor does Intuition limit you to 640x400x4 colors.

Regards,
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:42:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.221215.9229@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <C01GsK.L4C@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>   I doubt it would uplift me.  Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or good
>>productivity software available for the Amiga.
>
>A CD-ROM is 'available' where you can buy generic SCSI CD-ROMs.

   You are the second person to claim that a CD-ROM drive is a piece of
software.  Doesn't anybody know the difference between hardware and software?

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