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From: ardie@UIUC (Ardie Mack)
Subject: Re: HELP for Adobe Type Manager!
Organization: Department of Plant Pathology
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:23:30 GMT

In article <mwong.727660547@ee.ualberta.ca> mwong@ee.ualberta.ca (Michael Wong) writes:
>From: mwong@ee.ualberta.ca (Michael Wong)
>Subject: HELP for Adobe Type Manager!
>Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:55:47 GMT
>Hi Dear,
>	What ATM Control Panel can do for me
>if I don't have a laser printer?  Can I still
>be able to use the fonts on my dot matrix printer?
>Do I need to secrifice any memory or speed ?
>Looks like it just recognize the fonts that comes
>with windows 3.1.  I found it take up around 1M
>on my system.  If that thing doesn't give me any
>specifically useful utility, I will just clean it
>out of my system.  Would the fonts it shown in the
>ATM Control Panel be useful to other Win programs
>such as WordPerfect/Win?
>
>	Please specifically tell me how to use the
>Adobe Type Manager effectively.  And how can I 
>benefit from it?
>
>	Also, I tried to clean it out by deleting
>the directories psfonts\ and ptm\, but seems like
>it tries to load the ATM control panel every time
>when I load win3.1.  I think it changed some of
>the setting of my win3.1 *.ini files, but I don't
>know which file and which line.  Please tell me the
>correct way of removal of this program.
>
>Please Help!!
>
>Many Thanks
>
>Mike


     Look in the ATM documentation for how to de-install.  It was one of the 
first programs to offer de-installation instructions, and they are 
good.  (If you don't have the docs because you used someone else's, then you 
DESERVE to be stuck with it!)
     As to your original question, you must have some kind of good typefaces 
if you use a dot matrix printer and want to scale fonts.  If you don't 
already have loads of ATM-like fonts, then go with the True Type fonts in 
Win31.  They do about the same thing.
     Both TTF's and ATMF's can run at the same time, but you do pay a price 
in disk space and RAM usage.  Like I said, if you have dozens of ATMF's (
because there have been hundreds available as share- or freeware), stay with 
ATM.  If not, but you still run Win30, you still need ATM.  Otherwise, try 
to get rid of ATM and stay with the TTF installed by Win31.
From: curts@ramrod.lmt.mn.org (Curt Sedwick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: Keyboard key entry with mouse for a paraplegic user
Summary: Looking for a utility to assist keyboard entries
Keywords: Keyboard, paraplegic, mouse
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:18:06 GMT
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN  USA

My roommate, who is a paraplegic, is looking for a windows utility that will 
enable him to enter text from a mouse driven menu for various keyboard 
entries.  For example, to enter text on a high score table in a game or to 
enter text in a text editor, my roommate needs a person to do the typing for 
him.  He'd like to see a utility that would pop up and display a kybd that 
he could choose his letters with a mouse that would then place the required 
text in the correct place.

Thanks!
From: P.A.Brooks-Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk (P.A. Brooks-Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: An intersting occurance
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:46:33 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


Just a little trivia that's intrigued me, which you all knowing windows types may be able to help with......

The other day I'd just finished a windows session and was about to quit program manager and switch my machine off (even it needs a rest sometimes). I can't remember what I did (I was just 'clicking around') when I caused program manager to crash. Oops! Windows 3.1 in it's helpful way said 'No problem, I'll terminate this application'. So it did. Leaving me with windows running, but no way of talking to it.... All I could do was stare at the desktop (not even the wallpaper).
What did I do..... Is this common????? Do you care!

Peter.
(P.A.Brooks-Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: zwh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Zheng Weihong)
Subject: Re: Chinese Word Processor for Windows
Reply-To: zwh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Zheng Weihong)
Organization: University of NSW
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:10:12 GMT


--
In article <1k0db3INNf16@phakt.usc.edu>, derekyeu@usc.edu (Derek Yeung) writes:

|>Recently I am looking for any chinese word processor for Windows.  Is
|>there any existing one?  I know lots of chinese word processing program,
|>but none of them is Windows software.  Even it's just something like the
|>equation editor of WFW is good.  Any information is helpful. 
|>Thank you in advance!
|>

As I known, there are three chinese sofeware for Windows, the best one
is TwinBridge, it is from PC Express, the demo version can be found in
ftp.cica.indiana.edu, the file is /pub/pc/win3/uploads/NOV92/twindemo.zip

the second one is Chinese Windows from Microsoft Taiwan.Unfortunately, it translate all the menu commands to Chinese. Some of the translations is hard 
to be understand, and it seems to be not compatible with today Dos chinese software.

The last one is ChineseStar <Zhong1 wen2 zhi1 xing1> developed by Beijing Information New Tech Corp.

Zheng Weihong
From: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Excel 4 Users Beware !  - Do not use many worksheets
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 14:58:35 -0800
Reply-To: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca
Organization: Eos Systems Inc, Vancouver, B.C., Canada

Dear Excel 4 Users,

I thought I'd warn you about an Excel feature that just burned me
quite badly.

I thought the Workbook concept was really useful. So I started to 
use it and create bound worksheets.

After I hit about 20 worksheets (for a relatively small financial
model) things started to get weird. It complains alot about not
enough memory. It starts drawing things incorrectly and it has
trouble saving the workbook in a reasonable amount of time.

The problem is that the worksheets in a workbook take up huge
numbers of Windows systems resources.  Each worksheet take about
3% of your GDI resources.

So if you run about 75% GDI free normally, and Excel takes up around
12% GDI just to start up and Windows does not run well under 15% GDI
then the practical limit is 16 worksheets. I am now at 20 sheets.
I have found nowhere in the manual or on-line help that says this is 
the practical limit. I sure wish I had known !!

Unfortunatly the GDI systems resources in Windows is fixed. You can
not improve it by adding memory or by doing ANYTHING.

The only way to resolve my problem is to combine the worksheets and keep the
number below 16.  This will not be easy.

I think Excel 4 is a good product but this aspect of it is very very
poorly designed.

Beware !

Alan

-- 
Alan Walford     Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada  Tel: 604-734-8655
aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca           OR        ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew
From: tsornas@dec5.ulb.ac.be (Thierry Sornasse)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: Windows FTP software???
Date: 23 Jan 93 16:51:18 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Free University Brussels  - Belgium -  Department of Molecular Biology

Hi networker,

There is a good multitask application dedicated to the networking for Windows: WinQvtNet (I don't know the number of the latest
version). This package includes Mailing, News reader, FTP (really easy to use) and terminal. Obviuosly, it requires a communication
card (Ethernet or stuff like that).

Good Work

Thierry Sornasse
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: mwong@ee.ualberta.ca (Michael Wong)
Subject: HELP for Adobe Type Manager!
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:55:47 GMT

Hi Dear,
	What ATM Control Panel can do for me
if I don't have a laser printer?  Can I still
be able to use the fonts on my dot matrix printer?
Do I need to secrifice any memory or speed ?
Looks like it just recognize the fonts that comes
with windows 3.1.  I found it take up around 1M
on my system.  If that thing doesn't give me any
specifically useful utility, I will just clean it
out of my system.  Would the fonts it shown in the
ATM Control Panel be useful to other Win programs
such as WordPerfect/Win?

	Please specifically tell me how to use the
Adobe Type Manager effectively.  And how can I 
benefit from it?

	Also, I tried to clean it out by deleting
the directories psfonts\ and ptm\, but seems like
it tries to load the ATM control panel every time
when I load win3.1.  I think it changed some of
the setting of my win3.1 *.ini files, but I don't
know which file and which line.  Please tell me the
correct way of removal of this program.

Please Help!!

Many Thanks

Mike
From: john.lechmanik@uttsbbs.uucp (John Lechmanik) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Windows program for the M
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:13:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: john.lechmanik@uttsbbs.uucp (John Lechmanik) 


YD>I am looking for a windows program that could used the Mars-800 scanne
YD>I would like to be able to use the scanner from windows and save the s
YD>image it a .tif file.

        You can try Image In from Image-In Inc 406 E. 79th Street, 
Minneapolis, MN 55420 or perhaps a better choice would be Picture 
Publisher from Micrografx 1303 Arapaho, Richardson, Texas 75081, 
1-800-733-3729.  Both of these aren't bad window programs but I prefer 
Picture Publisher.  These programs came with my scanner but I am sure that 
they sell them direct.  Make sure you also ask for the driver for your 
scanner.  You might have to contact the manufacture for that...

--- WinQwk 2.0 a#0
                                                                                        
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+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| The Transfer Station BBS (510) 837-4610 & 837-5591 (V.32bis both lines)|
| Danville, California, USA. 400+ MB Files & FREE public Internet Access |
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From: swisher@cs.utexas.edu (Janet M. Swisher)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Advanced Quicken books?
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:40:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: boogie.cs.utexas.edu

Can anyone recommend an *advanced* book on using Quicken?  I'm not
interested in "Learning Quicken Made Easy", or whatever.  I'd like
something that goes into detail about sophisticated features,
especially investment tracking (I still haven't figured out a good way
to record contributions to my husband's retirement annuity, which is
invested in mutual funds).



-- 
Don't take life so serious ... it ain't *no how* permanent. -- Porkypine.
From: 90sra@eng.cam.ac.uk (S.R. Atkins)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: An intersting occurance
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:32:29 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

P.A.Brooks-Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk (P.A. Brooks-Johnson) writes:


>Just a little trivia that's intrigued me, which you all knowing windows types may be able to help with......

>The other day I'd just finished a windows session and was about to quit program manager and switch my machine off (even it needs a rest sometimes). I can't remember what I did (I was just 'clicking around') when I caused program manager to crash. Oops! Windows 3.1 in it's helpful way said 'No problem, I'll terminate this application'. So it did. Leaving me with windows running, but no way of talking to it.... All I could do was stare at the desktop (not even the wallpaper).
>What did I do..... Is this common????? Do you care!

>Peter.

>(P.A.Brooks-Johnson@newcastle.ac.uk)
It's fairly common with me - particularly if I use a, erm, third-party 
floating-menu style shell. I often leave WinExit running minimised so that
I can exit gracefully if I have to.

Steve (90sra@eng.cam.ac.uk sra@cxa.dl.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: twriter@rd.hydro.on.ca (Timothy Writer)
Subject: Re: X-Windows and MS-Windows coexist?
Reply-To: twriter@rd.hydro.on.ca
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 15:50:18 GMT

troy@rsinc.com (Troy Cobb) writes:

>This is in response to the response in re: to X servers under Windows and
>DESQView/X in particular.

>The REAL problem with DESQView/X is that it will NOT run Microsoft Windows
>in ENHANCED mode which many of my applications require for any nifty
>performance.

>I think that this is a real drawback.

>What **I** am looking for is an X server that runs from WITHIN Windows.

>Anybody have an idea?

Check out XVision from VisionWare, it's great!.

	VisionWare Ltd.
	57 Cardigan Lane
	Leeds
	LS4 2LE
	U. K.

	Tel: (0532) 788858
	Fax: (0532) 304676

	Email: vware@visionware.co.uk

They also have an office in California, but only the U.K. address is
listed in the manual.  I got my package from a local supplier in
Toronto, so you may want to check with your friendly, neighborhood
supplier.

>Troy Cobb
>Engineering
>Research Systems, Inc.
>troy@rsinc.com


-- 
Tim Writer			     phone:  (416) 231-4111 ext. 6990
Ontario Hydro Research Division	     fax:    (416) 237-9285
Toronto, Ontario		     e-mail: twriter@rd.hydro.on.ca
CANADA
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: tchambers@TrentU.CA (panda's bear)
Subject: NAV 2.1 Virus Updates?
Reply-To: tchambers@TrentU.CA
Organization: Trent University, Peterborough
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:55:43 GMT

Can anyone tell me the ftp address to get NAV updates?

Thanks
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Internet: tchambers@trentu.ca                         TRENT UNIVERSITY
Terrence Chambers                                     Peterborough, ON  *Canada*
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Xref: sparky comp.os.ms-windows.apps:7503 alt.fax:108 comp.dcom.fax:2508
From: rempel@hg.uleth.ca (Curtis Rempel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,alt.fax,comp.dcom.fax
Subject: WinFAX Pro 3.0 and Class 1 & 2, what are they?
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:57:06 GMT
Reply-To: rempel@hg.uleth.ca (Curtis Rempel)
Organization: University of Lethbridge


Can somebody explain the difference between Class 1 and Class 2 faxing?

I want to buy WinFAX Pro 3.0 and would like to know if it's going to
work with my Certified Data external fax modem (London Drugs brand name
in Canada for those that never heard of it) which I believe is a Class 1
fax modem.  From what I have heard, class 1 means text only whereas class 2
means text and graphics?  Is that correct?  Does WinFAX Pro 3.0 work with
both types?

Thanks,

Curt

email: rempel@hg.uleth.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: clay@panix.com (Clay Irving)
Subject: New SS24X Drivers (V2.03)!
Summary: New Drivers Released for High Resolution
Keywords: Diamond, SpeedStar, Drivers
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:04:59 GMT

I picked up the new high resolution drivers from a local bbs (execnet.com).
Low and behold -- They solve the GPF problem with high res and selecting
"Options" in Word for Windows! FINALLY!

Diamond's BBS directly is +1.408.730.1100


-- 
See the happy moron,    ...  Clay Irving           personal: clay@panix.com
He doesn't give a damn, ...  New York, NY              work: clay@garpac.com
I wish I were a moron,  ....................................................
My God! perhaps I am! -- Eugenics Review July 1929
From: pluto@cs.ucsd.edu (Mark Plutowksi)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: NEED S3 VIDEO DLL (s3.dll) VERSION 1.1 PLEASE
Summary: Send uuencoded version of s3.dll version 1.1 please
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:59:56 GMT


I need s3.dll version 1.1 (8448 bytes)
I can't use the newest version now out
on BBS for my hardware.  Please send
a uuencoded version if you've got it,

Thanks in advance,

= Mark
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,alt.fax,comp.dcom.fax
From: bmyers@shyguy.lonestar.org (bob myers)
Subject: Re: WinFAX Pro 3.0 and Class 1 & 2, what are they?
Organization: 3-B Technology
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:38:46 GMT

 I believe that WinFax 3.0 does ask you if you wish to use class 1
or class 2, and a few other things...

-bob

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Myers                        | You gotta watch out for those
Shyguy's AT&T SVR4 Unix/Uniboard | shy guys....you never know 
Email:bmyers@shyguy.lonestar.org | what they're thinking..:)
From: robertd@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Robert Davies)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: Excel 4.0 Out of Memory/Preview
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:02:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: comp.C1FH45.G4L
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington

In article <1993Jan25.154010.15781@rzu-news.unizh.ch> pschneid@rzu.unizh.ch () writes:
>A friend of mine with no Net access asked me about a problem with
>Excel 4.0 to which I have no answer since i'm not a windows techie:
>  Quite often when he tries to do a print preview of a multi-page
>worksheet containing some diagrams, he gets an "out of memory"
>message (it is German "Ungenugender Speicherplatz) when he wants
>to look at another page. It is really annoying, because after the
>first time he asked me I just told him to get more memory. He
>now has 8 MB of RAM in a 386DX, 40Mhz, running windows 3.1 with
>Excel as the sole application. System resources are usu 75% free
>when the error occurs, there is also more than 12 MB free on disk.
>....
I also get this problem and so does a friend. And I have 12 megs
of memory on a 486. Windows has to be restarted to get it to go
again.

The local Microsoft agent wasn't much use.

>Any kind of help is appreciated.
Indeed it is.

Robert
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Re: X-Windows and MS-Windows coexist?yes
From: djlewis@ualr.edu
Date: 20 Jan 93 17:39:04 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <35411@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU>, mflynn@sales.GBA.NYU.EDU (Michael J Flynn) writes:
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.novell
> Subject: Re: File Servers
> Summary: 
> Expires: 
> References: <1992Feb18.155619.13923@almserv.uucp>
> Sender: 
> Followup-To: 
> Distribution: 
> Organization: NYU Stern School of Business
> Keywords: 
> 
> 
> Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
> Subject: Re: X-Windows and MS-Windows coexist?
> Summary: 
> Expires: 
> References: <1993Jan12.152840.924@sctc.com>
> Sender: 
> Followup-To: 
> Distribution: world
> Organization: NYU Stern School of Business
> Keywords: 
> 
> 
>>I'd like to know if there is an X-Windows server that can run under
>>MS-Windows.  I know of the existence of Deskview/X, but that appeared
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^
> I think that's spelled DESQview/X
> 
>>to not run MS-Windows on the same machine, although it could display
>>MS-Windows that was running on another machine.  Am I right?
> 
> No, you can run MSwindows from the same machine in an X window.  You can also,
> as you have said, run MSwindows from another machine.  It is "transparent" but
> rather slow when run remotely, but that depends on your network.
> 
>>
>>The situation is that I use a Sun at work running X.  I must be able
>>to use X in order to run the applications on the (Sun/Unix) network.
>>However, I would like to be able to use some of the same software at
>>work as I do at home (like a personal information manager).  Sooooo,
>>if I could run X on a (suitably souped up) PC (any suggestions in that
>>regard?) AND run MS-Windows, I'd have a nice work environment.  I
>>MIGHT be able to get my boss to spring for a PC to replace my Sun --
>>the chances of having a PC in addition to the Sun are around nil.
> 
> Well, the nice thing about DESQview/X is that is is server and client.  With
> DV-X you can run MS-DOS, MS-Windows and whatever on the PC and have it
> display on the Sun, if you wanted too.  Its an extra packege for TCP/IP
> sold seperately from QuarterDeck.  The X stuff for MSWindows is only one way.
> 
>>
>>What can the folks on the net tell me?  I appreciate any/all
>>information you can send my way.
>>
>>-- 
>>David A. Bright			dab@Bright.MN.ORG	(home)
>>Secure Computing		bright@SCTC.COM		(work)
>>
>>
I am replying to this post through a DECterm window under WIN3.1 with the 
DIGITAL EQUIPMENT Excursion software. It performs faster than EXceed and
is much better than trying to mix DECWindows through a dos window. Excursion
lets you be server/client, runs Sun, Unix and Dec Xwindows. Look into it.
Don Lewis
<djlewis@ualr.edu>

Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Procomm Aspect question -
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:43:16 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

>There just has
>to be a way to fix this, the whole point of script files
>is so you don't have to type. If anyone can help me I would
>be greatly indebted.

I use TeleMate for my modeming, and it has a script language construct
that can be made like this:

	Repeat
	   Put "^M"				; Press Return
	   WaitFor "Enter Username:",1		; Wait 1 second and check
	Until Found				; If not found, try again

This will cause Telemate to press Enter until it gets some kind of
response.  I like this.  Hopefully, ProComm has some sort of script
construct that can do this, too.

-- 
#ifdef TRUE        | Fuzzy Fox (a.k.a. David DeSimone)       fuzzy@netcom.com
#define  TRUE   0  |
#define  FALSE  1  |         "S-O-C-K-S ?   Wow, Spanish *is* easy!!"
#endif             |
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
From: colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt)
Subject: ACCESS: Disk #4s are bad?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:09:31 GMT

I've got a theory going:

A stack of disks placed in the Disk #4 duplication
machine was bad.  Many copies of Access are, therefore,
uninstallable because of media defects.

We ran into this problem at work, and then I ran into
the same problem with my personal copy at home...


-- 
Andrew          
Colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
--
From: v075pcah@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Dinesh K. Sukumaran)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: suggestions for setting  up  a DOS/Windows client-server network
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:44:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Hi,

We are in the process of upgrading and setting up
a computer lab for students. We already have 2 386s, 4 286s and
a 386DX. We want to spend the least amount of money, and use 
our current computer equipment also. Our lab should be able to
support computer intensive software like mathematica, hyperchem
etc.. So we thought of two alternatives:

1. get a 486/50 and keep these computer intensive software on
them. The down side is, only one person can work at a time.

Or

2. set up a Server-Client network: setup a 486/50 with a large
disk and printer as server, and use our current 386/286 
machines as clients. The idea is that all computations will be
done on the server, and the clients will merely serve as
front-ends. Also, the clients can be used independently for small
tasks. Is possible in the DOS/Windows  environment? I have been
told that unix machines can do this... But, is it possible
for DOS/WINDOWS set up too? 

If option 2 is possible, we would prefer that. Our assumption is
386/286 machines can be used as dumb terminals, hanging off the
486. The 486 will be responsible for computations, disk access,
video updates, printing etc...

I  would appreciate any advice/comment/suggestions on this. Also,
if option 2 above is possible, what do we need? Who will be the 
suggested vendors? Will one  copy on the server be able to serve
requests from multiple clients?

Once again please let me know of suggestions for this setup.

Thanks,

--Dinesh

   --------------------------------------------------------------
   Dinesh K. Sukumaran    Tel:   (716)-829-3147
   Dept. of Chemistry     Fax:   (716)-829-2960
   9 Acheson Hall         email: chedinsh@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu
   SUNY at Buffalo               dinesh@hohaha.chem.buffalo.edu
   Buffalo, NY 14214             v075pcah@ubvmsc.bitnet
   _____________________________________________________________
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA