From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: 'Zeleny's Lack Of Intelligence Has To Be 'Zenly' Inspired.
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:36:24 GMT





<1992Aug15.213013.14772@husc3.harvard.edu>
zeleny@husc9.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny)

>whose judgment he voluntarily submitted himself.  A similar judgment was
>rendered in 1921 by the Weimar Republic court in Berlin in the case of the
>Armenian assassin Tehlirian, who put an end to the life of the genocidal
>Turkish murderer Talaat Bey, likewise insisting on standing trial for his

What a 'wieneramus.' Tell me 'Zeleny,' were you high on something when you 
wrote the above drivel? Nine days before Talat Pasha's assassination, 
Aubrey Herbert, a British intelligence agent had a short meeting with him 
in a park in a small German town. This meeting corroborated earlier
intelligence to the effect that Talat Pasha was seeking support
from Muslim countries to help Mustafa Kemal's movement, that he was
organizing abroad a serious opposition movement against the Allied 
Powers, and that he was soon intending to take refuge in Ankara. 
What is more, Talat Pasha also dared to make the threat that he was
going to incite the Pan-Turanist and Pan-Islamist movements against
England, unless she signed a peace treaty favorable for Turkey.[1]
This courageous action of Talat Pasha made the British very
anxious. Their intelligence service established contact with its
counterpart in the Soviet Union to evaluate the situation. Talat
Pasha's plans made the Russian officials as anxious as the British.
The two intelligence services collaborated and signed among them 
the death warrant of Talat Pasha. Information concerning his 
physical description and his whereabouts was forwarded to their men
in Germany.[2] However, it was decided that an Armenian clown would
carry out the verdict. As a matter of fact, Talat Pasha was
assassinated with a single bullet on 5 March 1921 as he came out of
his house in Hardenbergstrasse, Charlottenburg, Berlin, by an
Armenian terrorist from Erzurum named Soghomon Tehlirian. 

[1] T. Cavdar, "Talat Pasha: Bir Orgut Ustasinin Yasam Oykusu," Ankara,
    1984, p. 466. A. N. Herbert, "Ben Kendim: A Record of Eastern 
    Travel," New York, 1925.
[2] PRO, FO. 371/4142/128077, from the High Commissioner in Istanbul
    to the Foreign Office in London, 4.xi.1919.

As for the Armenian genocide of the Turkish people:

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
        "Document No: 42," Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 110, Drawer 
        No: 1(4), File No: 373, Section No: 1484(1032), Contents No: 9, 9-1.
        (To the Office of Acting Supreme Commander - Acting Assistant
        Section Director Major Ali Sukru)

"It is sufficient to mention just some of the terrible and shameful crimes
 committed only in Erzurum to get an idea about the Armenian atrocities
 in the villages...

 I would also like to mention with disgust and abominable sight, a stain
 on humanity, that I encountered at the west of Hasankale while my regiment
 was proceeding into this town. There was a young Turkish women, apparently
 once a very beautiful one, lying dead on one side of the road. A huge
 stick had been inserted into her vagina. We took the corpses and left it
 at a spot that was invisible from the road..."
 
Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

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