From: theodore-michael@yale.edu (Michael Theodore)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.madonna
Subject: Re: What's the relevance of ....?
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:49:37 -0500
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In article <s1070619.721314745@giaeb> s1070619@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT) writes:
>theodore-michael@yale.edu (Michael Theodore) writes:
>
>>In article <s1070902.720837927@giaeb> s1070902@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (TALIESIN (R.Walker)) writes:
>>>
>>>>In article <s1070619.720700504@giaeb> s1070619@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (YOGI *is* N.KROENERT) writes:
>>>
>>>>>  Just
>>>>> because she has a lot of money, it does not give her any more right to be
>>>>> different than the next person, yet she gets away with the sort of things
>>>>> that most people would be locked up for.
>>>>
>>>>This guy is even more of a moron than I first realized, as evidenced
>>>>by his terror of people who are "different".
>>>
>>>Oh *EXCUSE* me, but if you new YOGI you would know that he gives new
>>>definition to the word "different".  This  person is not *terrified* by
>>>her, he is simply appalled, which frankly I don't think he can be blamed for.
>>>What sux is not that madonna is different, sure it's nice to be different,
>>>but what we are talking about here is madonna's pathetic vouyeristic habbits
>>>of openly playing with her ill-formed genitals in front of thousands of
>>>silly drooly people like you.  This is just not on.
>
>>Your sense of the word vouyeur is not really on either - it actually means
>>someone who seeks gratification from observing the sexual activities
>>of others - therefore, Madonna performing for huge audiences has more
>>to do with the audience being vouyeristic. Perhaps you meant to call
>>her an exhibitionist.I accuse Mr. Yogi of being terrified of difference
>>on account of his being a homophobe, which is fairly evident in the lines
>>of his text that you have left out. If he (or you for that matter) would
>>like to dispute that, be my guest, and post something here about how you
>>support a person's sexual preference, be it straight or gay.
>
>Do you really think Tal iesin really cares about his use of the word vouyeur?

You're right -  who cares if he doesn't really know what voyeur means -
more of a real issue is *my* use of the word homphobe to describe you.
Am I to take your continued silence about this to be a tacit admission that
you are a homophobe? You are very vocal about your hatred of Madonna - if
you had any integrity at all you would also admit that you hate gay people
(as well as powerful women that threaten your little comfortably sexist 
world). 

(with respect to the movie "the Accused")
>>>>It tries to remind idiots like you that women should have the freedom
>>>>to dress and act however they choose without desperate men claiming that
>>>>that gives them liscence to rape women. "Would not look too good"?
>>>>How about would be completely irrelevant if the women were forcibly raped?
>>>
>>>So what are you now, a movie critic?  And since when does a *madonna-fan*
>>>get of calling a normal person pathetic?

Again, you conveniently evade my point,  which is simple : your quite
blatantly sexist earlier post spelled out the same tired thing that men
have always said when a woman is raped - "she asked for it". Wake up, my 
friend, and realize that this argument simply won't do anymore. You can't
blame the violent act of a man against a woman on the woman, no matter
what her behaviour seemed to suggest about her desires.

>>I recognize your attempt at biting sarcasm by acussing me of attempting
>>to be a movie critic, but I still think it's a good idea for all men
>>who think women ask to be raped by their behaviour (as it seems like
>>both you and Yogi believe) to go and see that movie. (I'm also
>>still curious about what women reading this group think about that).
>
>I really don't think that what women think about it really matters, as it is
>ont often that a woman rapes another woman, is it? *so*, you try to tell me
>that men cant get the wrong idea not only from a womans body language, but
>also their social actions. Don't get me wrong, I think rape is sick too, but
>it is the princple of it, if yo put someone who might a borderline rapeist
>into a situation where a woman unwittingly flaunts herself and taunts him, it
>may just be what pushes him over the edge... I know if I was a woman, *I*
>would not want to face the horror of a rape...

Well Nathan, I commend you on your sensitivity towards the horrors of rape, but
what are you saying? It seems like your message to women is :the world
is full of borderline rapists, so therefore you better not wear tight
dresses or otherwise display your sexuality, because then you might make
a sick man rape you. Please correct me if this is not what you mean.
If it is, I think you might want to reconsider your earlier statement
that you "really don't think that what women think about it really matters"
(it's obvious that you don't) because I bet most women would disagree.
I personally feel that women should have the same freedom that men have
to dress and act however they want, without expecting society at large
and people like you to condone violence against them. If someone does rape,
then throw the bum in jail (and don't listen to the men like you who will
say it's the woman's fault). 

>>However, I really love the fact that Madonna gets pathetic slobs like
>>you upset, and in this sense I suppose I am a Madonna fan.
>
>Good attitude. Get people riled up, and angry over something as stupid as
>madonna so they go out and do stupid things... cool.

Well, what you and the other slobs are riled up about is not really Madonna,
but the threat she represents to your illusion of gender relationships
in society (it's not too hard to detect in your posting a fear of women
becoming too powerful), and the way she knaws at your sexual insecurity.
>    Slobs... Good insult... I'm hurt...
>    I just hope one of the angry 'uns come after you, not me.

You didn't like slobs huh? How about  lily-livered, whoreson, brazen-faced
varlet, one-trunk-inheriting slave, the son and heir of a mongrel bitch, and
one whom I'll beat into clamorous whining if thou deniest the least syllable!


>>God's beard drips frothy chaos........
>    Yeah, good comment theo... God is a spiritual being if you belive he
>    exists, and how can a intangable being, who has no physical form have a
>    beard???   Just wondering...

You must have intended to post this to alt.sophomoric.theological.speculation.









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God's beard drips frothy chaos........
		theodore-michael@cs.yale.edu
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