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From: dsr@bnr.co.uk (D.S.Riches)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Judo: Good Kung Fu idea
Date: 18 Dec 1992 18:18:18 GMT
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In article <129670005@otter.hpl.hp.com> ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans) writes:
>
>A couple of weeks ago I learned a neat bit of Kung Fu that is really useful for
>judo.  Apologies to Kung Fu exponents if I get the ideas wrong, I've never seen
>any before.
>
>This technique is useful because it is unusual, I have never noticed judoka
>stop an arm by moving it down or with a wrist action.  It is also economical,
>there are no wild sweeping arm motions that can occur if you are stopping them
>with an arm.

I use it once in a while when someone leans to me to grab my jacket.  I
turn it inwards and then on the way down I grab the top of his wrist
and move hie arm across his chest and then move in for taniotoshi.  I
thikn I described this to you before.
   Dave Riches
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From: bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com (Brad Webb)
Subject: RE:  How long is a string?  Was Re: belt colors in this newsgroup
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:05:53 GMT


>In article <1992Dec12.105521@ee.egr.duke.edu> wrankin@ee.egr.duke.edu (William T. Rankin) writes:
>
>[snip]
>
>   BTW, Mary, *how* long *are* your legs?... :-)
>   (duck!  no, run!, no, duck then run! no... (crunch!<thud>)
>
>32" inseam.  In other words...heh heh heh...long enough.
>
>
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> mary@cayman.com  | Phone 617-494-1999  Fax 617-494-5167  AppleLink CAYMAN.TECH
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>

Hey those legs go all the way up.... 
   All the better to do those high kicks with...
      get'im in the temple, mary.

b. webb, dallas, tx.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: stranglehold
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:32:58 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Dec17.022550.6246@desire.wright.edu> jchristian@desire.wright.edu writes:
>people don't choke people judo-style doesn't mean that their chokes aren't
>going to work (sorry to break the news to you, Warfie).

	Well, how do you do your chokes?

>this particular stranglehold does not require great strength.  

	Will you describe it?
							wr


Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: kevin@pages.com (Kevin Sven Berg)
Subject: Re: More ki/qi/chi & science
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:11:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.181459.26611@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>  
esot@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Sotnak) writes:
> In <1992Dec15.110056.7182@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
> 
> >Well, perhaps you are correct, however, I would guess that even if you were 
> >to identify a measurable, you'd still be laughed at and ridiculed.  It 
> >wouldn't make any difference. ...
> 
>   I don't think I agree with this.  Original thinkers may be laughed at when
> they propose theories that have not yet been experimentally/observationally
> confirmed.  But when there are experimentally derived data that support the
> new theory and cohere less well with the previously accepted standard than
> with the new theory, the new theory (or some semblance thereof) is accepted,
> or at least no longer the object of scorn.

Gee, like Cold Fusion? Seems there have been a number of sites around the
world that have reproduced the Pons and Fleshman experiment. The Japanese
now market a kit for reproducing the experiment. Recently the notion of
cold-fusion was re-introduced under a different name, and it is (slowly)
gaining more credibility in the scientific community. The acceptance of
new ideas is not immediate, even with confirmable data.


>   The problem with experimental confirmation of the existence of ki/qi is
> that there doesn't seem to be a well-articulated/defined phenomenon to
> investigate.  ... [snip snip] ...  Part of the problem in designing an
> experiment to test for ki/qi is that there seems to be no consensus as to
> what the properties of ki/qi are supposed to be.  

You'll find this true even within rec.M-A. There seems to be at least two
discernable definitions of Chi/Ki...

1. A phenomena dealing with subtle heat or kinesthetic sensations
   within differing sections and layers of the body. This is most often
   associated (here) with Chinese internal & meditative arts, 
   and is labeled: chi/qi.

2. Application of will to achieving a degree of focused effort. Often
   described as the so-called "fire-hose" effect where the imagery of
   energy flowing like water through one's arm reaches the target. Also
   the projection of consciousness into or beyond a target so as to
   create the appropriate conditions for follow-through on a particular
   technique. This is most often quoted (here) by practitioners of Japanese 
   or Korean arts, and is labeled: ki.

3. ???

Even with 1 & 2 there may be overlap. For instance, where the mind goes, 
so does chi. If the mind is not focused, neither is chi.

regards,

Kevin

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From: mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Quick response was Quick question
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:39:36 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <4321@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.130136.11571@relay.nswc.navy.mil> snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil writes:
>>case of a choking attack:
>>	1 turn head to side, put chin on shoulder
>>	2 sink, bend knees, acquire center of gravity
>>	3 identify location of attacker
>>	4 disabling strike, freeing move	
>
>	I think it would be safer to drop your chin straight down
>to your chest.

I agree. If it's a front two-handed choke you can then escape
by either 1. diving your head down between the hands through
the thumbs and pivoting it around one of the hands to get free,
or 2. raise an arm outside one of the hands to serve as a
lever and rotating the waist so that your upper arm twists
and compresses the attacker's wrist.

If it's a rear two-handed choke (why would anybody use these?)
then you can then step forward to yank the attacker off balance
and raise an arm, then turn and wrap the attacking arms or
drive down into them with an elbow.

If it's a choke-hold, then you want to get the chin down before
the arm goes around the throat, so that they are discomfiting
you by compressing your jaw rather than rendering you unconscious
by compressing the carotid arteries or the windpipe. If you
succeed then the chin and/or teeth can be used as weapons to
encourage the attacker to loosen his grip; once you can maneuver
without being rendered unconscious you can use standard close
grappling to reverse the control. I have had pretty good luck
turning real choke-holds into chin-compressions, but I suspect
that I may have been the lucky beneficiary of anatomical accidents,
and it might not always work. Therefore, it is prudent to
develop a conditioned reflex to drop the chin whenever you
feel something going around your neck.
From: mhirsch@volkl.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Philosophy vs. Technique
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:47:12 GMT
Organization: Princeton University Department of Computer Science
Originator: news@nimaster

>>>>> On 12 Dec 1992 01:04:20 GMT, lieven@cco.caltech.edu (Lieven Pascal Leroy) said:

LPL> I just read a short essay by Terry Dobson that got me thinking about
LPL> the philosophy behind martial arts.

[synopsis of 'A Kind Word Turneth Away Wrath' by the ltae Terry Dobson deleted]

LPL> Woah.  Deep stuff.  It suddenly struck me that I am closer to the philosophy
LPL> of Aikido when I am _away_ from the practice mats.

LPL> Rec.m-a talks techinique and this-art-compared-to-that-art, and that's how
LPL> I usually think of the martial arts I practice.

LPL> How many of you feel the philosophy too?  Is it something you strive for,
LPL> or a separate ideology you may or may not choose to accept along with the
LPL> physical aspects?

As I see Aikido, it is impossible to train and not begin to feel the
philosophy.  In my favorite style of teaching Aikido (Iwama style),
almost every basic technique starts with a complete blend.  Among
other things, this means that after the initial attack, the thrower
(nage) is facing the same direction as the throwee (uke).  At this
point nage switches from a primarily passive, receptive mode to an
active active role and uke ends up flying (or rolling).

As my sensei used to say, "You can't get anyone to accept your point
of view (uke attacks with, say, and overhand strike to the head) until
you've seen things from their point of view (sensei pivots alongside
uke) so the are facing the same way.  Then you can show them the
wisdom of your ways (whiiiiish-splat the sound of uke landing)!"

I see all Aikido practices as metaphors for real life.  The primary
lesson is to defuse a confrontational situation (blend with the
attack).  Once you have done this there are any number of possible
follow ups which can be more or less forceful as the occasion demands.

This lesson is talk very well by jiyu-waza (freestyle).  As you are
attacked repeatedly, if you think about how you will throw the
attacker you will probably end up not being very smooth and
unsuccessful.  If instead all you worry about is blending with the
attack you will find that the throw follows naturally.  This lesson I
find universally true and inseparable from true Aikido practice.
--


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Computer Science Department	Voice: (609) 258-1751       
Princeton NJ, 08544		FAX:   (609) 258-1771       
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From: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU (Deac Moo of the UGC)
Subject: Re: The Old Man Had Timing
Reply-To: doug@UC780.UMD.EDU
Organization: The University of Maryland, University College
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:20:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.104506.803@hls.com>, silatman@hls.com writes:
>
>               THE OLD MAN HAD TIMING!
>               by Khalid Khan.

[ much of Khan's post snipped ]

> We have all heard
>of stories where a brash young "master" comes out
>to challenge a 90 year old practitioner. The 90 year old
>man sits calmly drinking his sake tea and admiring
>the beautiful morning. The brash young man charges
>the 90 year old master with all the power and speed
>of his youth, and a split second later...the young man
>is dead. The 90 year old master has moved only slightly,
>not even fast, and in one simple move has cut 
>the young challenger with his sword, and then the old master
>resumes drinking his morning tea. So what is the important
>point here?
>
>   Timing!

I thought the saying was "Experience and Treachery <sp> beat Youth
and Skill." Or something like that. 

Of course, that might be next weeks Parable :)


                               ******
   Net postings: Demonstrating the lack of quality psychotherapy in the world.

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: carbon@bnrmtl.bnr.ca (Peter Carbon)
Subject: Re: Karatemania V results wanted...
Organization: Bell Northern Research Montreal, Canada.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 00:37:38 GMT

In article <BzDKvt.n2E@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> cadesjar@leibniz.uwaterloo.ca (Curtis Desjardins) writes:
>
>I was watching the matches last night, but was unfortunate to have my
>cable go down during the Jean Yves Theriault vs. Leo de Snoo match.
>I got to see the first 3 rounds, and was wondering what the results were.
>
>Did Theriault take back his title?
>
>
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>================== cadesjardins@descartes.waterloo.edu =======================
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Theriault did take his title back. Leo de Snoo was disqualified in what I
believe was the 11th round for using too many illegal kicks below the waist.
Theriault had also won each of the rounds on points so the result of the
fight would have been pretty much the same if it had lasted the whole 15
rounds.

As for the other fights:

The fighter from Ontario beat his Quebec opponent. (I forget all these guys
names :) And the American fighter totally outclasseed his Quebec opponent
winning in the 3rd or 4th round after his opponents staff threw in the
towel.
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: stranglehold
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:37:24 GMT
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In article 6264@desire.wright.edu, jchristian@desire.wright.edu () writes:

{snip...description of choke [used proper terminology,too :-)]}

As you have found out, the most reliable *initial* defense is to
drop your chin and tighten your neck and throat. This must be followed
by a quick escape such as the ol' sternum strike, armpit poke; etc.

BTW, the choke described should be practiced with extreme caution.
I've known of a few people who left the dojo and after about a 1/2
couldn't swallow. Their breathing became most difficult. Only common
sense prevented a panic situation. So, best be cautious.

I don't know what medics would advise, but I take a towel, soak it in
very warm water, wring it out and wrap it around the throat. The moist
heat accompanied by light massage seems to relieve the immediate
problems of swallowing (for lack of saliva) and difficulty in breathing
(because the trachea seems to constrict). Soreness goes away after
about 3-4 hrs.

---
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
From: jchristian@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The basic problem with anti-gun nuts.
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:07:33 EST
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Dec11.235902.24295@kpc.com>, kevinc@solman.kpc.com (Kevin Cameron) writes:
> In article <sDZJVB1w164w@upchrch.UUCP>, joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  )
 writes:
 For believers in freedom, however, the point of self-protection
 isn't just to reduce risk of injury.  Equally important is the
 right to determine one's own destiny to the greatest extent that
 is possible and consistent with the legitimate rights of others.
 For those who don't understand freedom, "legitimate" rights don't
 include the right to harm someone else without just cause.
> 
> -- 
> Kevin Cameron
> 
> "Those who will trade essential liberty for promise of security will
>  have neither" - Benjamin Franklin


Think you need a doctor, Kevin.  Sounds like you're foaming at the mouth.

How did this turn into a political discussion?  Don't think you're going to
find too many sympathetic people with your "Damn-I-Love-Guns" approach.

Jeff
From: jchristian@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: stranglehold
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:51:39 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <4368@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:
> In article <1992Dec13.214545.6209@desire.wright.edu> jchristian@desire.wright.edu writes:

>>Seems to me it doesn't matter much if someone is strangling me the "right" 
>>way vs. the "wrong" way, if the end result is me being incapacitated.  
> 
> 	The wrong way is merely unpleasant and not incapacitating at all.
> The right way incapacitates so quickly that the only valid defense is to
> stop the technique from being applied correctly.

Wait.  I missed something here.  You've told me that I'm talking about the
wrong way to choke, even though it is almost immediately incapacitating.  I
know the difference between unpleasant and incapacitating.  Unpleasant you can
shut off the pain and still have time to play with.  Incapacitating means
counter immediately or the fight is over.  I'm talking about chokes that are
incapacitating.  So if I'm being INCAPACITATED by a choke (and not merely being
subjected to an unpleasant training experience), then how is it still "wrong"?
From: ian@csc.liv.ac.uk (Ian Finch)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido Question (no, this is not a poll...)
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:37:44 GMT
Organization: Knee Deep in Sky High
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU wrote:
>
> has anyone been in a similar situation? i would like to hear your comments/
> views/suggestions.
>
I'm coming from ju-jitsu rather than aikido, so I don't know how much use my
comments will be, but here they are!

The answer is ... it depends.  In some cases, the person isn't trying to be
difficult and a word after training will do the trick.  I tend to make
comments about extra resistance making the throws harder and stuff.  There
was one bloke who was so tense when he got thrown, he used to come down with
an almight thud.  You have to also explain that you are trying to help each
other.  You are only practising and he has nothing to prove.

In other situations, for example randori or a round of throws, you can just
take the throw to another technique (or a power throw).  So, if I'm trying to
take someone backwards and they resist, I turn and take them over with a
shoulder throw (or whatever).  Alternatively, I use a more powerful version of
the throw, like a stamp throw or something.

Finally, I don't know what the technical term is (or even if they exist in
aikido), but if someone is just being plain awkward and refuses to change
then I put in a `weakener'.  For example, if I'm going to hip throw someone
I can add a punch (or elbow or whatever) to the stomach.  This should relax
them sufficiently to allow you to throw them.  I've found this to work even
without contact.  Just the sight of a punch going in can cause uke to jump
back a little, which is the opening you need.

Sorry if any of this is obvious or inappropriate, but there you go.

Cheers,
        Ian
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From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)
Newsgroups: rec.misc
Subject: Mask Molding
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:42:56 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

Hi,
I'm trying to find out how to make a REALISTIC
mask mold without smothering my subject (victim).
Does anyone know the different methods of mask molding? Or
does anyone know the names of books I could refer to?
I am planning to adhere photos to the mask so it needs
to have a surface that will accept them.

Thanks in advance from your ideas and knowledge!

Vivian

viviana@tamri.com
From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)
Newsgroups: rec.misc
Subject: Re: Mask Molding
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:54:48 GMT
Organization: your service
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdke.col.hp.com

> I'm trying to find out how to make a REALISTIC
> mask mold without smothering my subject (victim).

----------

I've always seen it done with pieces of drinking straw
in the nostrils.
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From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: RFI:HASHING, which newsgroups?
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:10:20 GMT

Are there any newsgroups that deal with hashing?

kris

Newsgroups: rec.misc
From: kdyer@MtHolyoke.edu (Kristy K. Dyer)
Subject: Re: Mask Molding
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:02:34 GMT

Vivian Aldridge (viviana@igor.tamri.com) wrote:
> I'm trying to find out how to make a REALISTIC
> mask mold without smothering my subject (victim).

You don't need to smother the victim -- put straws up the nose so they can
breath.

You probably want to grease the face, so that the plaster comes off easily
and build a frame that blocks out the rest of the head you aren't
interested in. I haven't done this, but I've seen it done. The only really 
uncomfortable thing about it is that the plaster gets a bit hot as it sets.

Kristy Dyer__________________________________________kdyer@MHC.mtholyoke.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.misc
From: paul@ais.org (Paul Vargo)
Subject: WANT INFO: on hard drive
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: us
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 19:44:03 GMT

Net.Folks,

I need info on the SEAGATE ST-251 drive.

Is it a MFM or RLL encoding drive?

paul

Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: DENNIS_@ncsu.edu (DGA)
Subject: Re: What is Nosler Partition?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:34:49 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: Nosler Partition

In article <1992Dec10.084806.5884@doug.cae.wisc.edu> chris@lightnin.columbiasc.NCR.COM () writes:
>    What is a Nosler partition load?  


I know!  I know!

WPCU




The front portion of the bullet will expand, but the expansion is
controlled by a jacket material (?) partition which arrest the
expansion and maintains the integrity of the rear core of the bullet.
IMHO, great bullet, relatively expensive and no substitute for a well
placed shot, but they have their uses.

      ---------------------
                       |   --------- 
      NONEXPANDABLE    |             --------
      ALLOY CORE       |< Partition          |
                       |                     |
                       |  EXPANDABLE NOSE    |
                       |             --------
                       |   ---------
      --------------------- < Jacket

I simply can not express my soul with netart!

DGA

Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: JLW154@PSUVM.PSU.EDU ()
Subject: Re. Field dressing questions
Organization: Penn State University
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:24:48 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

    Yes. The tarsal glands should be removed, after you have removed
the guts f rom the deer.  Especially if you plan on hanging the deer
out for a while.  I left the tarsls on a deer once overnight and then
cut it up, it had a slightly pungent taste in the lower hindquarter.
Hope this is of help.  Later Jay Wade.


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: bakc@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR KR COMAN)
Subject: Re: Recovery of wounded game
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: 14 Dec 92 07:35:57 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


The best advice I ever got.....

1.  
Take your shot.  Deer/buck is VISIBLY HIT: drops like a sack of
doorknobs, goes down struggling, and is trying to get up or staggers
and starts to make off.

2.
RELOAD *FAST*.

3.
Either: take follow-up shot if buck is making off and the scenario is 
obviously appropriate to this.

Or: *INSTANTLY* RUN FLAT OUT TO CLOSE THE RANGE if buck is down and
struggling -- administer coup de grace asap.  Don't stroll over
casually on the assumption that it's out for the count whilst you take
your time to light up, pop a cool one, and waddle over.

Or: *INSTANTLY* RUN FLAT OUT TO CLOSE THE RANGE if buck is down and
motionless.  It's only dead when either the brain is destroyed or a
rifle muzzle applied to an eye brings no physical reaction.

The notion of allowing a wounded buck that has gone down and got up or
which has been visibly wounded on the evidence of a blood spoor
*specific* time (eg. "Lemme have a smoke first then I'll make a
move.") to have its wound stiffen and the adreneline to wear off can
be challenged.  The time it takes to actually track a wounded buck
will be time enough for this purpose.

2 cents worth from the Dark Continent....
Cheers
Keith


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 invalid and unreliable methodology is the    :  Rhodes University
 cheapest shot in the book."                  :  Grahamstown, 6140
                                              :  Rep of South Africa
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