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From: chohan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Harpal Chohan)
Subject: Is Continental's freq. flier program a sham? 
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:50:10 GMT

In article <Bvyr5J.LL9.2@cs.cmu.edu> dennis+@cs.cmu.edu (Dennis Grinberg) writes:
>USAir accepted the old AMEX Student Continental vouchers which were
>either $129 or $189 depending on where you wanted to fly.  Does anyone
>know if they are going to be accepting the new vouchers?  (I forget
>the details but it's something like either $189 or $249 depending
>on when you fly.)  I called USAir and the person on the other end 
>wasn't able to find the codes for the new vouchers.
>
>This is important to know as the only reason I would ever want an
>American Express card is for the vouchers.

Which prompts me to ask about other peoples experiences with
Continental's frequent flier program. Last year I flew with them twice,
using the Amex vouchers. Each time, I applied for their frequent flier
program. I was told I'd get the membership in 2 months or so, and
would get my mileage on it. The first time I was told this, I still
hadn't gotten anything 4 months later when I used them again. So I 
applied again when I was buying my second ticket. Same story.
I'd get it in 2 months or so. Nada. Nothing. It's been a year.
Haven't heard from them. Anyone been succesful with theirs?

-h
From: pavelg@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Pavel Gazur)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:44:48 GMT
Subject: Hawaii - ticket
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air

I need a ticket to Hawaii (Oahu) in November.

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From: joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan)
Subject: Re: El Al Disaster
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 04:17:45 GMT

In article <10545@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> harold@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>In <10525@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> bakker@cs.uq.oz.au (Paultje Bakker) writes:
>
>>I would be grateful for any further news. Which airlines still use
>>747-200's?
>
>QANTAS! I think they have a few. They have mostly upgraded to the 400's
>but still fly a few 200's
>
Actually many airlines still use the 200 model although quite a few of them
are replacing them with the 400.  But the point is that the problem may
exist not only in the 200's but also in the 100's and the 300's, which
means almost every international airline would be affected.
It's strange that 2 similar accidents have occured with 200F (China
Airlines last year near Taipei), and even bothersome is how one airline
(I believe it was Swiss?) received a warning from Boeing about possible
defects weeks before the El Al disaster and reportedly sent out the message
to other airlines.

Cheers

Joel
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From: mujtaba@goose.Stanford.EDU (Syed Aon Mujtaba)
Subject: Re: El Al Disaster
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 16:45:20 GMT

---------------- 


|> The numbers 
|> come from the latest (1992) JP and include planned deliveries through
|> this month.
|> 

	Could someone tell me what "JP" stands for. Thanx.

--Mujtaba


|> Airline			SP  SR  100  200  300  400	total
|> -------			--  --  ---  ---  ---  ---	-----
|> Air Canada		 -   -    3    3    -    3	   9
|> Air France		 -   -   13   21    1   13	  48
|> Air India		 -   -    -    9    2    -	  11
|> Air New Zealand		 -   -    -    5    -    3	   8
|> Alitalia		 -   -    -   14    -    -	  14
|> All Nippon		 -  17    -    6    -   10	  33
|> British Airways		 -   -   15   16    -   23	  54
|> Canadian		 -   -    -    -    -    3	   3
|> China Airlines		 4   -    -    6    -    3	  13
|> Continental		 -   -    2    6    -    -	   8
|> El Al			 -   -    1    7    -    -         8
|> Garuda			 -   -    1    8    -    -	   9
|> Japan Airlines		 -   1   10   32   16   22	  81
|> KLM Royal Dutch		 -   -    -   12    4   12	  28
|> Korean			 2   -    -   14    3    8	  27
|> Lufthansa		 -   -    -   19    -   17	  36
|> Malaysia		 -   -    -    4    1    5	  10
|> Northwest		 -   -   12   28    -   10	  50
|> Philippines		 -   -    -    8    -    -	   8
|> QANTAS			 2   -    -    7    6   18        33
|> Saudia			 2   -    8    1   10    -	  21
|> Singapore		 -   -    -    7   14   15	  36
|> South African		 5   -    -    6    2    3	  16
|> Swissair		 -   -    -    -    5    -	   5
|> TWA			 -   -   12    3    -    -	  15
|> Thai			 -   -    -    6    2    4	  12
|> United			11   -   18    9    -   15	  53
|> Varig			 -   -    -    3    5    3	  11
|> 		       --- ---  ---  ---  ---  ---	 ---
|> 			26  18   95  260   71  190       660
|> 
|> total production	45 (a)  206  389   81  (b)
|> 
|> (a) JAL has both 747SR-46 and 747-146B(SR) models; I'm not sure which
|>     of these are and aren't included in the 206 747-100 models produced.
|> (b) The 747-400 is currently in production.
|> 
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From: kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz)
Subject: Re: 'Window' seats (was Re: Aircraft Age)
Organization: Chicago Software Works
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:14:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.202032.7167@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.RFS@forsythe.stanford.edu (Russell Sole) writes:
>In article <92279.124701AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET>, Aron Eisenpress <AFECU@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>>In article <138044@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) says:

>>>   {...}   The thing
>>>that annoyed me the most when I flew in a UA DC-8 a couple of years
>>>ago was that half the "window" seats did not have a window -- they
>>>had a blank wall.    {...}
>>>But as someone who had to take a cross-country flight sitting next to
>>>a wall, rather than the window I had expected, I was VERY disappointed.

>>United's 767's which are still in the 2-class configuration do *not* have a
>>window in row 8.  (The 3-class ones, where row 8 is in business class, do).

>On a similar note, I've noticed that on some new 737's that in row 6
>there is not a window either.  It seems to be in the manufacturing
>of this version, since I've noticed it on United, Continental,
>Southwest, and America West.  Does anyone know why Boeing
>manufactured these planes this way???

New generation 737s (-300/-400/-500), 747-400s, and both series of 767
(-200/-300) have at least one blank frame which in most cases has the
lack of consideration to be adjacent to a "window" seat.

In the cases that I know of, and probably all of them where this is a
consistent feature across all examples of the series, the reason for
this is that there is an air conditioning duct running up this frame.
How they got alone without big window blanks for this in the past is
beyond me, but apparently they did.

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From: msriram@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Madurai G Sriram)
Subject: Re: ICAO Bans Smoking on All Airlines!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:31:35 GMT

What kind of enforcement powers does the ICAO have? Can it really enforce this 
ban?

I quit smoking many years ago so this regulation doesnt affect me in the least.
I do recall that nicotine withdrawal causes mood changes such as depression and
irritation. On a long flight, eg the transpacific ones, I am not certain 
whether it is wise to have a large proportion of passengers in this state. They
could make the journey extremely unpleasant for the air crew and other 
passengers, for that matter.  The tendency towards some kind of violent 
behavior probably is not negligible from some smokers forced to do without for 
10 hours.

Maybe the airline should also hand out Nicorette chewing gum!

Sriram
From: M14031@mitre.org (Alan Jacobsen)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Is Continental's freq. flier program a sham?
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:49:38 GMT
Organization: MITRE Corp


 
> They seem to offer the most amount of rewards for flying them, but
> it isn't worth the trouble of flying Continental.
> 
   WRONG!  My wife and I (and kiddos too) have flown free to Europe the last
     five summers (London and Paris) and to many places in the US too.  Their    
     service is as good or better than Air France or PanAm that we used years
     before. And Elite status gets one around the long waiting lines typical of     
     Europe return flights and allows checkin in the First Class windows.       
     Also we usually get free up-grades to first class when traveling on paid  
     econo class ticket in the US.  Once we even got a free upgrade to first  
     class while flying on One-Pass free rewards to Jamacia a year ago. Alas.
     I'm not flying on business as much as I have in the passed, and may lose
     my Elite status, and am not building up FF points like I was.  We do plan
     at least one more free trip for two -this time to Japan- next year.  Not
     worth the trouble?  Yagatabekidding!   
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From: robinson@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: US Air on strike - updated
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:06:15 GMT

Currently, US Air is advising passengers of flight cancellations through 
October 12 or 13.  If you call your travel agent, or US Air directly 
they will be able to tell you if the flight has been cancelled, and 
arrange another flight for you.  They will only protect you on another 
airline if they do not have another semi-convenient flight.  Please note 
that if your flight is indeed cancelled, all changes have to be done 
through US Air, and if you book another flight directly with another 
airline, you might be held responsible for the difference in costs 
between the US Air ticket and the new ticket.

- Jill
From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Aircraft Age
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:42:30 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In article <KMEYER.92Oct5131131@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
> This isn't supposed to be a list of all of Northwest's aircraft, is it?
> There must be a mistake in the "727" column.  Northwest has >10 flights
> on 727's leaving Detroit between 7 and 9:30 a.m.

The original poster said that they were a list of the "smaller" aircraft.
He must have assumed that many of the 727's are larger aircraft.  The
Northwest list was not their entire fleet since it was missing all of the
DC-10 and 747's.

BTW, our local paper recently reported that Northwest has added a number
of older DC-9's to its fleet in recent weeks.  They apparently got a good
deal on some older planes after another airline went toes up.  This will
only server to make their fleet look even older.

As much as I dislike DC-9's, I would still rather ride on one than the
Airbus planes.  After sitting by the runway at MSP and watching 30 or
so DC-9's depart in less than an hour, one can gain an apprecieation for
how well they must have been built to last this long while being heavily
used.

-john-

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From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Subject: Re: Flight to Cuba from USA
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David A. Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:30:30 GMT

In article <ldrcjpINNg99@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> reno@darlo.Eng.Sun.COM (Reno Marioni) writes:
>Hi,
>I would like to go to Cuba/Havana from the US but with relations
>being what they are I am not sure if you can go.  perhaps from
>Miami or do I need to fly out of US.  Has any Yank flown to Cuba.
>Know about bringing US dollars into Cuba (I beleive there is no
>exchange here).  There is no Cuban consulate here either so i have
>no idea where and if I can get a proper visa.


US Airlines are not allowed to fly to Cuba.  One alternative is
to fly to Mexico City and handle everything there....


David



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From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Re: ICAO Bans Smoking on All Airlines!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:46:41 GMT

Really great news! I agree, why three LONG years?
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From: wonhee@cello.ecn.purdue.edu (Wonhee Sull)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: USAir on strike
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:52:06 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I plan to go to Washington D.C. from Indy next weekend on USAir,
and I heard USAir is on strike.
I am wondering whether I have to switch to another carrier, or
the strike won't affect any flight schedule.
Any suggestion will be appreciated.
Wonhee
From: pmc@home.merit.edu (Philip M. Chuang)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Best Timetables (US and Others)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 19:34:08 GMT
Organization: Merit Network, Inc.  Ann Arbor, MI
NNTP-Posting-Host: home.merit.edu

Aeroflot (R.I.P?) often had the mosting interesting timetables, with flights
that are listed on no other, for freaks like me who really wants to know the
flight time from Kiev to Gander.
 
Before CP air swallowed it, Nordair of Montreal had one of the more exotic
timetables, with explanations in English, French, and Inuit(?)

Ethiopian's timetable has very high quality printing and presentation.  I
looked through it once and it did not seem to have obvious errors--something
pretty easy to do on any timetable.

These are not necessarily best made timetables (e.g. BA LH PA all had easy-
to-read fomrats, with 24hr clock, airport information, itenary, duration,
and equipment type, and seating charts) but they're some of the more fascinating
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From: wallace@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Glenn Wallace)
Subject: Re: El Al Disaster
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:23:21 GMT

harold@cs.uq.oz.au (Andrew Wood) writes:
>In <10525@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> bakker@cs.uq.oz.au (Paultje Bakker) writes:
>>I would be grateful for any further news. Which airlines still use
>>747-200's?
>QANTAS! I think they have a few. They have mostly upgraded to the 400's
>but still fly a few 200's

Some early 300's that QANTAS have were affected by this too, according 
to the news.  (Engine mount inspection, that is).

I think it was a total of 7 aircraft? (200's and 300's)

Glenn

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From: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Flat Tire rule?
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:15:43 GMT
Reply-To: marke@ultra.com (Marke Clinger)
Organization: Ultra Network Technologies

In article <1992Oct8.194651.6648@news.acns.nwu.edu> staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes:
>As I said before, it depends all on the person behind the counter.
>There doesnt seem to be any hard and fast rules about it.

From an earlier posting:

>As  I noted in an earlier  posting, most airlines  will let you change
>flights if you go standby on  the  earlier/later one.  I've never been
>charged for this.  However,   nowadays  they charge  *anyone* $25   to
>confirm a change.  If you told them you  wanted  to go standby on  the

My understanding of the current rules are that the $25 charge is only
to be applied if your flight change requires issueing a new ticket,
which a routing change may involve. Just taking a later flight to the
same destination should never involved a charge.

I was recently charge for taking an earlier flight on the same
airline.  I told the United agent that she was wrong and of course she
asked for the next customer to come up to the desk. So I paid the $25
and complained to my travel agent. The travel agent agreed that I
should not have been charged, contacted United and received a refund.

So now everytime I am charged a $25 fee I contact my travel agent to
verify the "legality" of it and let them fight for a refund, which they
do. (US Travel in the Bay Area is who my company uses).

Marke

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Subject: For Sale: Roundtrip LAX <--> OAK tix for Nov 6-8
Date: 16 Oct 1992 16:55:08 GMT
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From: jerry@incc.com (Jerry Rocteur)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: ICAO Bans Smoking on All Airlines!
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:08:35 GMT
Organization: InCC.com Perwez Belgium

In article <09OCT92.14425663.0075@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CCHB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (Hugh Brodie (CCHB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA)) writes:
> As of Jan. 1, 1996, all flights will have to be non-smoking.
> ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) passed this
> motion yesterday, proposed by Canada and Australia.
> 
> Canadian airlines are already smoke-free on domestic routes,
> and will be on all international routes as of Jan. 1, 1993.
> 
> If I am not mistaken, Cathay Pacific is the only smoke-free
> international carrier at present.
> 

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 This is crazy :-(

 What can we do to hurry them up ??????

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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: USAir strike:  Tentative agreement reached
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:38:12 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

I just heard on the news a few minutes ago that a tentative agreement
has been reached in the USAir strike.  I have no further details.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Which hub/spoke system is best?
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:43:26 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <1992Oct13.175244.22248@news.mentorg.com> philip@jetcom (Philip Peake) writes:
>Which is best ? The simple answer is none at all.
>These are only for the benefit of the airlines,
>not passengers.
>
>I want to fly from point A to point B WITHOUT having
>to detour several hundred (thousand ?) miles and wait
>hours or have to run the length of the airport to get the
>next 'plane.

This is an argument against hubs that I hear quite a lot.  But these
people don't seem to see the other side of the coin:  Hubs allow
easy connections between a much larger variety of cities than would
otherwise be available.  I mean, everyone would prefer nonstop flights.
But if there's not enough service on your route for a nonstop to be
economical, you used to be out of luck -- you had to be lucky for there
to be a reasonable connection at all.

Here's a list of some of the routes I've flown in the last couple of years
for which the hub system was a Godsend -- it allowed me to use more
convenient airports, and fly at more convenient times, than I otherwise
would have been able:

Oakland to Boston (via Chicago, on United)
Oakland to Albuquerque (via Phoenix, on America West)
San Jose to Montreal (via Chicago, on American)
Los Angeles to Ithaca (via Pittsburgh, on USAir)
Cincinnati to Montreal (via Pittsburgh, on USAir)
San Francisco to Indianapolis (via Minneapolis, on Northwest)
Cincinnati to New Orleans (via St. Louis, on TWA)

That's not counting the routes that do have nonstop flights, but because of 
scheduling or pricing, connecting through a hub was more convenient.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov

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From: gl1@cec2.wustl.edu (Greg Lyon)
Subject: Re: Southwest -- catch?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:41:36 GMT

Chris J. Davis writes:
>I wrote:
>>Southwest prides itself in the "10 minute turnaround"...  having the plane
>>on the ground for only 10 minutes.  It's quite amazing how they do it, but
>>believe it or not it does work most of the time.
>
>Actually it's a 15 minute turnaround...  

  Well, it was originally designed to be a 10 minute turnaround, but they
have been lengthened lately, some are now even up to 25 minutes long.

  The origination of the 10 minute turnaround was when Southwest served 
only 3 cities in Texas : Dallas, Houston, and Austin.  They originally
operated hourly (I believe) service with four aircraft.  Then they sold
one plane (at a profit !) and to maintain the level of service had to 
turn the aircraft around in 10 minutes.

Greg
 

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From: marcush@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marcus Edward Hennecke)
Subject: Safety of Japanese airlines
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 21:23:05 GMT

Hello everybody,

on another newsgroup in a series of articles someone raised the claim
that Japanes airlines are four times more risky to fly with than
US airlines. He refers to fatalities per passenger or some similar
statistics (he doesn't know anymore exactly how the risk was
determined).

Is there any truth in this statement? Are there enough accidents that
one can with statistical significance say there is a higher risk in
flying with a Japanese airline?

Thanks in advance for your comments,

Marcus
marcush@leland.stanford.edu
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