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From: mndavis@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Mark N. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Looking for the Wright stuff...
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:46:24 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

Now that the smoke has cleared, and the trading deadline has passed, it
appears that the Raiders have picked up the next coming of Sam Graddy. At
least that's all that I've heard about this Alexander "Ace" Wright guy.

What I've heard is that he's lightning fast (imagine the Raiders wanting 
someone with speed, what a novel concept >:-) and has average hands. I also
know that he's reasonably young, and doesn't seem to have grasped the concept
of running pass patterns. 

I've been saying all along, that with Todd Marijuanavich at the helm, that
the Raiders need to get some WRs to fit his style. No more Gault and Graddy,
who only know how to run towards the end zone. Tim Brown fits the mold perfect,
since he's a great catch and run guy with no fear of going over the middle.
The proof is the last two games, where he's played very sparingly while nursing
his pulled hamstring. In both games, he's played in only one offensive series,
and both times has caught a medium length pass and turned it into a TD. Makes
Marinovich look pretty good while he's at it. So now all the Raiders need is
the other bookend to complement Todd's short passing game. Is Ace the answer?
If he's not, I suspect they may have got him just to return punts for now, to
take the load (and injury potential) off of Tim Brown.

Since this net seems to be made up of about 50% Cowboys fans (or at least they
are the most vocal), would some of you out there please enlighten me as to
just what this Ace guy can really do? I don't really need his life story, but
want to know about his college career, what he's done for the Cowboys, and why
they found him expendable.

Thanks in advance for any info.

                                 Al Davis for President!
                                      Mark
                                      mndavis@pbhya.pacbell.com
From: rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: TV-NFL arrangement (was: How the Bears keep their fans)
Keywords: Chicago, Sucks
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:42:20 GMT
Organization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center

In article <1992Oct7.060701.6213@wheaton.wheaton.edu> klbartle@david.wheaton.edu (Kevin Bartlett) writes:
>I just recently heard that during a Bears game, other Chicago-area networks
>are forbidden to show any other game.  What a stupid concept!  [etc...]

Don't blame the Bears, blame the NFL and the TV networks, who have a contract
that imposes these sorts of terms.

Allow me to quote from an article from about three years ago; note that
things may have changed since then, although I believe this to be
still substantially correct.

	From: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Rich Carreiro)
	Newsgroups: rec.sport.football
	Date: 27 Nov 89 19:10:50 GMT
	Subject: Which games televised

	OK - this is how it works:

	First, the network is determined by the VISITING team's conference
	  AFC -> NBC
	  NFC -> CBS

	Ok.  There are two types of TV markets.  YOu've got primary,
	and secondary.  For example, Boston is the  primary market for the
	Patriots while Providence, RI is a secondary market.

	Now, if the team (patriots in this case) are away, their game MUST BE
	TELEVISED IN IT'S ENTIRETY.  THis is the easy one.

	If the Pats play at home, it get's interesting.
	If the Pats are at home, then the PRIMARY stations can only show ONE
	game of a doubleheader, even if the other network is televising the
	Pats game.  This is true WHETHER OR NOT THE GAME IS BLACKED OUT.
	The secondary stations can show both halves of the doubleheader.

	Example - Miami at NE, NBC has doubleheader
	a) game sold out:
	    Ch 4 (Boston NBC affil.) AND Ch 10 (Providence NBC affil.) MUST show
	the game.  Since Pats are home, Ch 4 can only show one game of the
	doubleheader.  As they are constrained to show the Pats, they cannot
	show the second game.  Ch 10 can show BOTH if it desires.
	b) game blacked out:
	    Ch 4 has to pick which half of the doubleheader they want to show.
	Ch 10 can show both.

	Ex #2  - Houston at NE, CBS has doubleheader
	a) game sold out:
	    4 and 10 must show it.  Since no NBC doubleheader today, that's all
	the football for them today.  Ch 7 (Boston CBS) must choose one game of
	the double header to show.  Ch 6 (Providence CBS) can show both.
	b) game blacked out:
	    4 and 10 get fed something from NBC.  6 can show the whole
	doubleheader.  Despite the fact tht the Pats arent even shown,
	7 must pick one game to show.

	End of excerpt from: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Rich Carreiro)
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From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Eagle Feces
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:53:39 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Bw2vx4.CGE@ns1.nodak.edu>, sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
> 
> To Dough the Dolfan.....

          First of all I don't know how the hell you got "Dough the Dolfan"
out of the name John Turman, but since I think I've been dragged in I'll
give my .02 worth. First I think the Vikings only "choked" in 2 and were
beaten by clearly superior teams in the other two, but thats another story.
If I were a betting man outside the game of poker I would bet that the
Dolphins would win if they made it to the SB this year. As I have stated
before, in my HUMBLE opinion, Marino will not let his next chance at a SB
victory slip away. If he gets there I think he wins it. If, by chance
they lose SB XXVII Miami would have lost 4, but at least we've already won
2. But, like I just said, Marino won't lose another SB before he wins one.


> 
> I agree that the Vikings choked in 4 Super Bowls, but so
> also will the Dolphins, if at all they make it to the
> SB, this year.
> 
> U will be also here on Jan 26 1993 and so will I and we
> will see. 
> 
              I'll be here, I just hope I have access to this thing during
the SB week. You see I have to wait until my instructors give me the pass
word for the semester, which sometimes doesn't happen until 4-5 weeks into
the semester (1st or 2nd week of feb.). But I'll find a way to sneek a post
on even if I don't have an account, because I got a feeling about this Jan.

                       -doug THE dolfan-

> The Dolphins will win the SB..... NOT!!!!!!!!!!
> The Dolphins are good but the NFC-East is better. 
> Whether u like it or not facts are facts.
> S.H
> 
                        
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Subject: MINNESOTA KILLED DETROIT!!!!!
From: alb2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Alvino Battistoni)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 04:38:33 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Bowling Green State University

I posted a prediction earlier in the week that the Minnesota Vikings would
destroy the Detroit Lions.  Was I right on target or what?  Anyway, you can
read that post under the title "MINNESOTA KILLS DETROIT".  
	
	I am looking for someone to correspond with on a regular basis about pro
football.  I would like to be E-mailed directly and I also welcome any
predictions you might have.  For example, this weekend, there are some
interesting matchup's.
																								I personally like Denver over Houston by 15 and 
																							Phillidelphia over the Skins in a defensive
struggle.

Any predictions?  E-Mail me at  alb2001@andy.bgsu.edu
																																									
																																																							Alvino
From: ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Erik Karl Witte)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Another Jets victory
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:30:02 GMT
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 08-Oct-92 in Another Jets victory         
user MORTEN KRISTIANSEN@postm writes:
>Browning Nagle: 300+ yards  3 tdowns
>Blair Thomas:   120+ yards  1 tdown 
>Moore&Toon :    200+ yards  2 tdowns
>To make a long story short : Ny Jets   42   Indy  7
> 
>Go Jets :-)

Oh, my.  The Jets aren't that good.  I realize they are definitely the
kind of team that can score 42 points against one of the fastest defense
in football, in a game and hold a no-huddle offense led by a quarterback
with one of the best arms in the game to seven points, but somehow I
just don't think they'll pull it off.  Indianapolis 20, NY Jets 14

Erik
From: ashton@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ashton Delahoussaye)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC-Daydreams
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:23:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>
>> 
>> After seeing the Eagles perform, I ask, Is there any AFC-team
>> which can take on the Eagles when it counts. No offence, I just
>> cannot see a single AFC team having the credentials.
>> 

Well by now you have your answer.  Congratulations are in order for the
Kansas City Chiefs.

The AFC will reign supreme and shatter these NFC myths.


Ashton

Bronco Zealot
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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Who the hell was Al Michaels?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 22:28:00 GMT

In article <y+ppmca@lynx.unm.edu>, kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)  writes...
>>
>Well, he first came to national recognition in the mid-70's as the radio man for
>the Big Red Machine in Cincinnati, having accepted the position in 1971 after
>working in Hawaii, running play-by-play in the PCL.  He joined ABC in 1976,
>working on ABC's baseball telecasts.  In 1986, he joined MNF as the play-by-play
>man, with Gifford moving to color commentary.
> 
>(OK, I admit it...I didn't know this, but Michaels was on Letterman fifteen 
>minutes ago or so...)
> 
Close but no cigar. Although he was radio man during the Big Red Machine of the 
70's, that was not what put him on the national announcer stage. What did that 
was the 1980 Winter Olympics in Lake Placid. He was the hockey announcer during 
that Olympics and said, "Do you believe in miracles? Yes!" at the end of the 
USA-USSR game and to a lesser extent, at the end of the USA-Finland game said,
"5 seconds to the gold medal. 4...3...2 The impossible dream comes true." These 
words made him the guy with the 6 year- $15 million contract from ABC that he 
is now.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Bengals Fanatic"
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Re: Who the hell was Al Michaels?
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 07:08:13 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1bfvbaINNjo3@shirley.cs.widener.edu> austin@cs.widener.edu (Jeff Austin) writes:
>
>	OK, I know who Gifford was, and not that I care, I know who Dierdork
>	was.  But can someone clue me in on Al Michaels?  Does he have anything
>	even remotely related to football in his past?  The only thing people
>	seem to be able to tell me about him is that his left eye is crooked.
>
>					Jeff
>
Well, he first came to national recognition in the mid-70's as the radio man for
the Big Red Machine in Cincinnati, having accepted the position in 1971 after
working in Hawaii, running play-by-play in the PCL.  He joined ABC in 1976,
working on ABC's baseball telecasts.  In 1986, he joined MNF as the play-by-play
man, with Gifford moving to color commentary.

(OK, I admit it...I didn't know this, but Michaels was on Letterman fifteen 
minutes ago or so...)

-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * Maintainer, R.S.BB Archive
Be kind. Don't flame the mediots. * Look, stupid comments are funny!'-R. Lustig
I'd rather see Doug Dascenzo pitch than suffer through John Burkett's batting..
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From: NE0152@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: re: we are part of the team (was re: hail the browns)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 21:24:09 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: Adriene@Yale.EDU (Adriene Nazaretian - GO GIANTS)
Subject: We ARE Part of the team (was Re: HAIL THE BROWNS)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:42:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.180815.23889@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> jeffr@ssec.
wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin) writes:>From: jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin)
>Subject: Re: HAIL THE BROWNS
>Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:08:15 GMT

>In article <dn2001-131092152526@m248-103.bgsu.edu>, dn2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Dan N
>|> THE BROWNS RULE!!!!!!!!!!
>|>
>|> THAT'S ALL AND NOTHING ELSE.
>|>
>|> GREENBAY DOESN'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST US.
>                                           ^^

>Are you a member of the team?  There's very few things more annoying than fans
>using the term "us" instead of "them".  Occasionally, I'll even hear a very
>poor broadcaster doing this.

Sorry I completely disagree.  Yes you ARE a member of the team, when you are
a fan.  I always use "WE" when talking about "MY" NY Giants team.

Good fans should consider themselves part of the team. I guess you just
arent in that catagory.  You are probably just a bandwagon hopper, a fair
weather fan who comes around when YOUR team is doing well.

We help psych the team up, we are there for them, as much as they are
for us.

Broadcasters are another story, because they are supposed to be impartial.
Adriene L. Nazaretian            G         Nazaretian-Adriene@Yale.Edu
Sr Technical Specialist       G  I         Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.CIS.YALE.EDU
Computing and Info Systems    O  A         Adriene@YALEADS.BITNET
Yale University                  N         Adriene@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU
175 Whitney Avenue               T         Voice (203) 432-6683
New Haven, CT. 06520             S         FAX  (203) 432-6165


well said!!!!
"go any team",in my case "go browns"
chuck,member of BABB




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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Eagles : YIKES!
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:58:33 GMT

jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

more mindless drivel by Mr Gloria deleted... and didja notice how he seems
to nee to include the entire damn post hes replying to? Is this because
he forgets the facts so easily?

>           ... Coach Seifert came right in and won a SB. Coach Seifert, 
>currently has the highest winning perctange of any coach. 
>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	

   I will just say this: Sieferts winning % = .788 (41-11)
                    Dennis Greens winning % = .800 (4-1)

   Care to retract your statement, or will you now qualify it? Damn it...
Can you just once post an article where even part of your argument has
its basis in truth/fact? YOUR opinions are not fact!

   This is probably my 6th or 7th post in this thread where I have
put numbers in your face that belie what you say... are you going to
learn soon and get your shit together before spouting off again, or will
I need to keep correcting you?

   I know, I know, you have some excuse for your ignorance... probably
you were just born that way. But please dont waste our time with stuff
that is just dead wrong as you have done continually in this thread...

-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
|rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu           Ross Smith              smith@oscar.udel.edu|
|    "I really hate that dog...." - Dr. Chase Matthews, Pet Semetary 2       |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Wednesday, 7 Oct 1992 04:02:44 EDT
From: William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Will SF win the division?
Distribution: na

In article <1ateggINNser@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
says:
>
>Will SF win the divison?
>
>Here is the SF schedule:
>
>        SF @ NYG     SF
>        Buf @ SF     BUF
>        SF @ NYJ     SF
>        SF @ NO      SF
>         Rams @ SF    SF
>        SF @ NE      W
>        Atl @ SF     W
>        Rams, SF     W
>        SF @ Phx     W
>        SF @ Atl     L

>        NO @ SF      L
  Much as I like the Saints,  I have to disagree with the previous 2.
Atlanta is not playing very well,  even though Miller is throwing the
ball all over hell.  The Saints aren't playing good enough to beat
SF at home (they squeaked by the Lions,  who are horrible this year!!)
>        SF @ Rams    W
>        Phil @ SF    L
  A confirmed Eagles fan (MR 16-0) and yourself may be (un)pleasantly
surprised by this game as well!!
>        Mia @ SF     ?
>        SF @ Minn    W
>        TB @ SF      W
>        Det @ SF     W
>
>The W's stand for fairly safe wins, the L's stand for fairly safe
>losses. Considering SF nearly lost to the Ram's, arguably one of the
>weakest teams in the NFC, and her secondary collapsed under the Saints
>(not the strongest of offenses), I would say that SF will loose to the
>Saints again, loose to the fired up Marino, and probably loose one of
>two to Atlanta. SF ends the season 11-5.
>
>New Orleans, on the other hand, is:
>
>        NO @ Phil    PHIL
>        Chi @ NO     NO
>        NO @ Atl     NO
>        SF @ NO      SF
>        NO @ Det     W
>        Rams @ NO    W
>        NO @ Phx     W
>
>        TB @ NO      W
>        NO @ NE      W
>        NO @ SF      W
>        Wash @ NO    L
   I think more than just Dallas and Phoenix are going to have their
way with Washington this year.  This is one of those 7-3 games,  but
I think NO can pull it out!!
>        Mia @ NO     L
>        Atl @ NO     L
   Again,  not unless Atlanta shows some Defense!!!
>        NO @ Rams    W
>        Buf @ NO     L
>        NO @ NYJ     W
   Boy,  wasn't the last one tough!!!
>
>If Miami looses to the Saints, they will probably loose to SF, which
>proves their latest win may have been a fluke. They end up 10-6, which


  Buffalo fan or not,  37-10 is NO FLUKE!!

>puts them just behind SF. And I think SF beats them in a tie, in case
>NO beats out Atlanta or Maimi.
>
>If SF beat out the Saints, they can probably beat out Atlanta, since
>they don't seem to be doing that well this year.
>
>
>
>--
>   |^^^^^^|      _______________________________________________________
>   |      |      |"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that    |
>   |      |      | distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            |
>   | (o)(o)      O         Kenneth Boulding                            |
>   @      _)    o|_____________________________________________________|
>    |  ____\ o o
>    |     /
>   /     \                              All comments  are mine---(David
>Wright)
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From: jefhkahn@iastate.edu (Jeffrey H Kahn)
Subject: Redskins
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:27:29 GMT

Help!!!

I'm a Redskins fan stuck in Iowa.  I don't get
to hear too much Skins news out here, much less see
all of the games.  Is there a group (either organized
or unorganized) out there that communicates about the Redskins?
Please post information here or email me.

Thanks.
Jef.
From: istre@ricevm1.rice.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Class Acts ... NOT!
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:31:32 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1b4b7lINNdks@uwm.edu>
paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
 
>
>In article <92309@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>>- Aikman's shoes come off. The nice Iggles DE picks it up and then tosses it
>>  away.
>>- The O line is called for false-start. Nice Clyde Simmons starts clapping in
>>  their faces.
>>- And oh who could ever forget Andre Waters' (surprise) knack for getting into
>>  tiffs with the bad Cowboys.
>>
>   To all three of these things, I say big deal! Jeez, name one team that has a
>   D lineman who would see the shoe, pick it up and say "Here you are Mr.
>   Aikman, I hope we haven't inconvenienced you tonight."
>
>   I'd also like to see any team with a D lineman who wouldn't get on the case
>   of a O lineman who jumped offsides. This is football, not tiddly winks.
>   Intimidation is a big part of the game.
>
>   As for Waters, every team has a guy who instigates his share of fights. I've
>   seen Dallas' Bates get into quite a few.
>
There is a big different between Bates and Waters. I can think of at least five
incidents where Waters has:
 
1): Gone for someone's knees on a pass well overthrown.
2): Delivered a vicious hit (Make that a cheap hit) after the whistle.
3): Delivered a vicious hit well after the guy has gone out of bounds.
 
Waters has been fined and suspended numerous times for these hits, but it does
not seem to deter him. On the other hand, I have seen Bates play very hard and
throw himself into the play, but I have never seen him take any cheap shots at
anyone. Also to my knowledge, Bates has never been fined or suspended for any
of the kind of things.
 
I supposed you will mention about Cris Dishman. In his early years, he did a
lot of the same things that Waters did, but since Jerry Glanville has left
Houston, Dishman has turned over a new leaf. In the past year, Dishman has
stop the cheap crap and has turned into the caliber of cornerback, everyone
knew he was, a PRO BOWL cornerback. I wish I can say the same about Waters.
 
>   Satish, aren't you a Giants fan? If you are, you should know first-hand of
>   incidents like these happening every week with LT and the Giants used-to-be
>   great defense. I guess since the Eagles are kicking everyone's ass, the
>   rest of the NFC East fans are really mad. Still, these idiotic "Dallas had
>   bad luck," and "Philly has mean players," posts are getting ridiculous.
>
>   --salty
>
>
Xref: sparky rec.sport.football.pro:20389 dc.redskins:191
From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,dc.redskins
Subject: Re: Redskins-Broncos Game Summary
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:49:10
Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred
Reply-To: elm@cs.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: terrorism.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil's message of 14 Oct 92 18:24:09 GMT

In article <26380@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
=> Pass att.-comp.-int.     40-17-3     26-16-0

=>PASSING:
=> Broncos:    At  Cp  Yd  TD  Int   Redskins:   At  Cp  Yd  TD  Int
=> Elway       32  11 128   0    1   Rypien      26  16 245   1    0
=> Maddox       8   2  10   0    1

=>INTERCEPTIONS:
=> Broncos:    No  Yd  Lg  TD   Redskins:   No  Yd  Lg  TD
=> None                         Marshall     1  20  20   1  
=>			      Gouveia      1  15  15   0
=>			      S. Johnson   1  12  12   0

So who threw the other Broncos interception?  I think it was Elway,
but I'm not sure.

ethan
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From: schnell@pyramid.unr.edu ( Dan Schnell )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bermanisms
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:30:15 GMT
Reply-To: schnell@pyramid.unr.edu ( Dan Schnell )
Organization: University of Nevada Reno

In article <1992Sep30.220610.25895@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>
>Updated list of the Bermanator's classics:
>
>   Reggie "Foghorn" Langhorne

Berman has one that I don't understand. 

Tampa Bay (I think) reciever 

Willie "Soviet" Drury

It just doesn't "click"...

Dan Schnell
Still a Chargers Fan.
Hey, they might be in third place after week 6!


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