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Subject:      Handicap Digest # 3099

                             THE HANDICAP DIGEST

                                 Issue # 3099

                          Tuesday, January 12, 1993

Today's Topics:


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                                 Accessible
                                   Hehehe
                            Marijuana Experiments
                                Chair repair!
                                  BACK PAIN
                           Voice controlled phone
                                    Adapt
                           Re: Anybody out there?
                                  Re: Synex
                                  Re: Synex


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Subject: Accessible
From: Greg.Tomerlin@f5000.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Tomerlin)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:116/5000 - Rx Shop 2, Nashville TN


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

GW>About the same BUT COLDER...

   That's kinda funny, before my accident I was one of those who never
   got cold.  In fact, the colder it got the better I felt.  My ex-wife
   however, was always cold and was always fussing at me for things
   like driving with the windows down in the middle of winter, or
   leaving the bedroom window open when it was cold outside.  I showed
   little mercy for her because I just couldn't believe she that she
   could be so cold when I was so hot...  I guess this is some sort of
   poetic justice???

   Ironically, I've noticed that I'm more uncomfortable when it's thirty
   or forty degrees outside than when its ten or fifteen....... but
   regardless of the temperature, when the leaves start falling I get
   out the trusty ceramic heater and hibernate in front of it till
   March.  I don't think I could make it without that little heater.

  ...Beulah, peel me a grape.

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Subject: Hehehe
From: Greg.Tomerlin@f5000.n116.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Tomerlin)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:116/5000 - Rx Shop 2, Nashville TN


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

TS>How about... Check the depth of the water next time before diving.

  hehehe... wish I had a nickel for everytime I've been told that, or
  asked, "Didn't you check to see how deep it was?"

TS>Sorry Greg, couldn't resist sharing some wisdom. <g>

  Thanks Solomon <g>

  Happy Hollydays!

   ...I wasn't kissing her, I was whispering in her mouth.

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Subject: Marijuana Experiments
From: Joe.Chamberlain@p1.f175.n150.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Chamberlain)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:150/175.1 - Busted Flush BBS, New Castle DE


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

In a message to Keith Jones <19 Dec 92 20:00> John Rougeau wrote:

 JR> Funny...... Not that I EVER did ANYthing like this.... Tightness,

I got paranoid.  I drove VERY slow, stopped a 100 feet short of
stop signs and red lights, and had traffic backed up for blocks.  I
got hungry, sleepy, and wanted to cuddle.  I never went beyond the
cuddle stage, so have no experience to offer.

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Subject: Chair repair!
From: Greg.Wick@f45.n343.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Wick)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:343/45 - The French Connecti, Edmonds Wa


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

Well, I'm getting really ticked off at these wheelChair repair
places! I'm having a little trubble with the power on my chair. It
seems to have a week spot. When turning to the left it has lots of
power, but when turning to the right it has no real power. It can't
turn the front wheels. Once they are tund right, the chair runs
fine...

Anyway, they tell me it's got to be the hand control. I tell them
"I don't think so, it clicks and engadges, just not enough power"
"No it's the hand controls" they say. I have the big 21st century
moters, so they have no spare. I have to use a loaner chair. At
this point, I'm not a happy camper!!! The loaner chair doesn't fit
well, controls are on the wrong side (I told them Left) it's to
short length wise! I let them know I was not real happy (In a nice
way).

The next day they called and said they have a extra hand control
they found I can use on my chair (GREAT I THOUGHT). They bring out
my chair with the new hand control... It still has the same problom
:( The idiots never thought to check that hand control to see it
that was the problom. Now my hand control has already been shipped
off to the maker to be fixed... and it aint broke... (I aint
paying). What kind of compony doesn't check things like that first?
A really stupid one! I called a bunch of other repair shops, and
only 1 has parts I can use while mine gets fixed. But it's not
close and they do not come out. Is it really asking to much that
these places keep spare electrical parts they can use while they
fix yours. It's not like I can just hope in any old spare chair!

===
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Subject: BACK PAIN
From: Allison.Cozzi@f321.n161.z1.fidonet.org (Allison Cozzi)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:161/321


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

-> Personally, I wouldn't go near a chiropractor.  Note I said PERSONALL
-> Everyone has the right to make their own decision.

     I feel as you do, Ruthie...no chiropractors for *this* kid! I was
ambivalent about it until I made friends with a very successful
chiropractor in my area and he (after a couple of glasses of wine)
admitted to me that the reason he went into chiropractic work is because
it was a "steady source of income" and a "legal way to milk insurance
money" from the elderly, especially. I thought I had misunderstood him
so I asked him to elaborate and he told me that chiropractors never
"fix" anything and it requires numerous subsequent visits in order to
keep the patient feeling good. He knew precisely how many visits that
each insurance company would put up with and judged his diagnosis on
that basis. Now, I'm sure that he was a "worst case scenario" and I know
a lady who swears that her chiropractor is the only pain relief she
gets. But, after hearing my  new chiropractor friend tell me all the
things he did, I vowed to *never* go to one. I figure that if someone
has the money and feels it is helping them, then far be it from me to
try to change their mind.
                                                     Allison

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Subject: Voice controlled phone
From: Jeffrey.Vandyke@f14.n279.z1.fidonet.org (Jeffrey Vandyke)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:279/14 - Project Enable, Dunbar WV


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

Seen on Steals 'n Deals cable tv show on CNBC on Christmas gifts
neat gadgets ideas.

Totally voice-controlled phone. You say "hello" to answer.

They gave a phone # to call to order: 1-800-285-5999

$119.00

No, I didn't catch the brand. (sorry)

Jeff

... The paper is always strongest at the perforations.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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Subject: Adapt
From: Patricia.Bregman@f24.n3602.z1.fidonet.org (Patricia Bregman)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3602/24 - ADAnet One (tm) Net, Pinson AL


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

  >and we are looking for the relevant laws, jurisprudence and the
  >arguments which has been used by the disabled activists of your
  >countries.

Do you have an address?  I work with a legal clinic in Toronto
dealing only with disability-rights issues. Among the projects we
have been involved with is accessible transit. In addition, there
is a coalition here that we work with called Transactions that has
done alot of lobbying federally and in the provinces.  I would be
glad to send you information if you are interested.

               Cheers, Patti

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Subject: Re: Anybody out there?
From: Mary.Jo@f5275.n397.z1.fidonet.org (Mary Jo)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:397/5275 - The Business Board, Alamo TX


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

 -=> Quoting Joe Chamberlain @1:150/17 to Mary Jo @*1 <=-

 JC@> In a message to All <13 Dec 92 22:36> Mary Jo wrote:

 MJ> Btw, you may not remember me but you posted that `10 best' list of
 MJ> Rehab hospitals from US News for me last summer.  Lots has happened

 JC@> Great.  Got you added to the list.

 MJ> since then and I kinda lost this echo for awhile but I'm back now.
 MJ> I've been out to Craig in Denver - in September.  I finally decided on
 MJ> Craig after some investigating.  My final decision was made, however,

 JC@> They enjoy the best reputation.  I'm just not sold on the idea of
 JC@> traveling that far for a yearly checkup.  I think a good local doc and
 JC@> coordination between them.

Hi Joe.  I agree that the most ideal set-up is working with a good local
doctor - traveling is no picnic for someone who is paralyzed.  However, many
of us live in areas where the local medical professionals have a very limited
understanding of the problems and special needs that sci people have.
Consequently, ALOT of time can pass trying `this and that' without solving
problems that are making our lives even more difficult.  I, for one, wish I
hadn't waited so long to get out to Craig.  I went from one specialist to
another over a 12 month period trying various different ways of treating my
spasticity problem and had no luck at all.  The doctors here had no further
help to offer - even if they had suggested the surgical procedure I will be
having done in Feb. at Craig, I never would have had it done here.  I want
someone who has *mucho* experience with quads and messing around with the
already messed up spinal cord.  Besides, even recuperation after surgery
has alot less stress and anxiety when the staff taking care of you knows
and understands the extent of help you need.  I've gone in for tests here
and even though they have my chart with my diagnosis on it - quadraplegic -
the nurse asked me to get myself undressed.  When I told her I needed her help
to do that, she thought I just needed help unbuttoning my blouse.  I set her
straight right away - I thought...but then she expected me to get up on the
x-ray table by myself!  Unfortunately, I've had other experiences like that,
and I know I'm not alone.  Btw, I do have a good local general doctor who I
am educating concerning the special needs of us paralyzed folks - I like her
and have sent other people to her because she listens and recognizes her need
to expand her own understanding.  She was so excited for me when I went out
to Denver and was real anxious to hear about everything.  She has contacts
with them, too, now and is very impressed as well.

Oh boy, sorry about going on and on!  Thanks for listening!

Happy New Year
Mary Jo
... Catch the Blue Wave!

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Subject: Re: Synex
From: Bob.Paddock@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Paddock)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:261/1000 - Nerve Center, Pikesville MD


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

AH> KJ>  Seriously, no matter how he got it, I hope it works not just for
  > KJ> him  but for the next joe down the line.

AH>I agree.  However, I think it's high time we saw something
  >work for the Keiths, Gregs, Alans, etc. who've been
  >paralyzed (and in some cases pained) for years.  Just
  >because SCI isn't a fatal condition is no reason to let us
  >stew in our wheelchairs for 50 years.  *adh*

        The conversation of the two of you here reminded me of some
thing.  To help Karen with her pain, I've collected information from
many different source over the last few months.  This is one that I've
never seen any one talk about on here, it is a bit odd, but over the
years this place has helped a lot of people.  We haven't yet pursued this
avanue to help Karen yet, other than to gather this information.

        I got the following files, all together over five hundred pages,
for about $20 (Listed in the order that I pull them out of the stack):

        "C.F./Scoliosis (Curvature Spine)"
        "Migraine Headaches"
        "Spine Injuries: After Effects"
        "Headache: General"
        "Commentary On Migraine Headaches"

        The listing of information goes from #001 "Advice to Parents" to
#501 "X-Ray Burns" covering just about any thing you could think of
in between.

        Other spine related ones that are listed are:

        Spine: Bifida
        Spine: Injury Coccyx
        Spine: Injury Wrench

        The source for this information is "Association for Research and
Enlightenment, Inc" 67th Street and Alantic Avenue P.O. Box 595 Virginia
Beach, Virginia 23451-0595.  (804) 428-3588 or (800) 333-4499

        I did say the source was a bit odd, this stuff is from the
readings of Edgar Cayce 'The Sleeping Profit'.

        They require that you be a member to get stuff out of their
library, which they will mail to you.  A three month trial membership is
$15.  I never received so much information, news letters, free books,
ect for $15!

        What lead me to this unusual place was the book "SuperMemory:
The Revolution" by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder.  A book that
should not be jugged by its title.  It covers the history of memory
research from a few thousand years ago, to beyond the present day.  I
bring this up because it covers some fascinating ideas in the latter
chapters, for example:

        Chapter 16: "All Disease Is Memory"  [Don't take that the wrong
way, it does NOT mean 'it is all in your head'.]

        From page 197: "ALL DISEASE IS MEMORY:  Your immune system dose
have the memory of an elephant and can recognize a virus it hasn't seen
in twenty years.  That's why vaccinations works.  Scientists find that
they can train an animal immune system just like Pavlov's dog and get a
conditioned response.  At the "bell," immunity strengthens or, depending
on the experiment, weakens though no physical agent is present.  That
takes memory...."

        Chapter 17: "Healing Fields of Memory?"

        From page 213: "Literally anything cures somebody somewhere.  We
realized this finally after attending scores of alternative health
conferences and roaming through the exotica of alternatives for years.
If you keep looking and listening, you begin to realize something; there
is a deeper reality at work.  A something that at moments one almost,
but not quite, catches sight of, like the sure sense that someone has
just gone through the door. We sensed it in alternative therapy.
Tracking the role of memory in sickness we came to the same place, to
the same sense of something, as Wordswordh says, "A motion and a spirit,
that impels all thinking things, all objects of all thought, and rolls
through all things."...

        Chapter 18: "Eat to Remember"

        This chapter covers the effects of our diet on our health,
memory, and life..

        Chapter 19: "Mind/Memory Fitness Machines"

        From the caption of a photograph of Edgar Cayce's bio-battery on
page 274:  "The Edgar Cayce bio-battery, a neglected but primary element
in Cayce's holistic health system.  Sixty years of use and recent
scientific research suggest it DOES perform as Cayce said.  Can it
really restore memory and rejuvenate mind and body?"

        From page 279: "The effectiveness of Cayce bio-batteries is also
being investigated by Phil Thomas of the U.S. Psychotronic Association.
At their 1988 international conference, he reported he'd constructed and
given bio-batteries to two quadriplegics.  Could they help nerve
regeneration?  A twenty-seven-year-old man, who'd suffered brain damage
shortly after birth, made slow, steady progress with the device.  After
eight months, his mother reported, "He's much brighter now than before.
Memory and concertration are both improving.  He can speak sentences now
instead of fragments.  He can focus on objects and ideas which previously
would have gone undetected.  He has some improved motor function in his
left hand."  A thirty-five-year-old man from D.C. felt sensations
returning to the center of his body after eight months on the device.  A
forty-year-old Virginia Beach woman who'd had sever rheumatoid
arthritis for eight years, was up, walking, and off medication after six
month's use of the bio-battery.  Swelling and pain were gone, she
stated.

        From page 280: "Decades before the discovery of "The Body
Electric" [See the book "The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the
Foundation of Life" by Robert O. Becker, M.D. and Gary Selden.  Many
chapters cover limb regeneration on simple animals like salamanders.
They hope to extend this to people.]  Cayce anticipated it and designed
a device that could facilitate using the body's electrical system to
help heal itself.

        ...

        "New breakthroughs seem to back up Cayce.  In 1983, the
distinguished Swedish radiologist Dr. Bjorn Nordenstrom of Stockholm's
Karolinska Institute, published a revolutionary book, "Biologically
Closed Electric Circuits:  Clinical, Experimental, and Theoretical
Evidence for an Additional Circulatory System."  He reveals decades of
research into his "astounding" theory, that biologically closed electric
circuits exist in the body and play a key role in health and healing."

        Thats enough for now...

        Before I receive a lot of comments about such an unorthodox
source of information, let me say that I go where my path leads, it
shows little sign of being traveled by many before me, a few perhaps but
not many.  I find the most interesting stuff are the 'anomalies' that
others try to sweep under the rug.  My path has gotten me to where I am
to day, and it seems like a nice place to be, with one or two
exceptions.   Perhaps your path is the more traveled route...  But I ask
you this has following the 'traditional' route healed you?

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Subject: Re: Synex
From: Alan.Hess@f1000.n261.z1.fidonet.org (Alan Hess)
Organization: FidoNet node 1:261/1000 - Nerve Center, Pikesville MD


[This is from the Spinal Injury Conference]

In a missive of <Dec 26 10:06> Bob Paddock (1:261/1000)
writes to Alan Hess:

 BP>         Before I receive a lot of comments about such an
 BP> unorthodox source of information, let me say that I go where
 BP> my path leads, it shows little sign of being traveled by many

We don't question sources, since nobody knows from where help may
arise.  The moderator (me) suggests that people discuss any
information derived from this echo with their doctors, and takes no
responsibility for the success or failure of any suggested
treatment.  We're big boys and girls, with working brains, who can
make our own decisions and live with the consequences.  *adh*

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