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From: phssvb@emory.edu (Spiros V. Branis)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia,soc.culture.greek
Subject: NEWS FROM SKOPJE: SITUATION OF ALBANIANS GETS WORSE
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:04:25 GMT
Followup-To: alt.news.macedonia
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


PRISTINA 27/1/93 [MACEDONIAN PRESS AGENCY--THESSALONIKI]

Nezvat Halili, leader of the Welfare party of Albanian-speaking
people in Skopje, has expressed great concern in a dramatic way
over a possible flare-up in the region of Tetovo and Koumanovo
and has officially called for intervention of co-chairmen Cyrus
Vance and Lord Owen for finding a solution in the framework of 
the Geneva Peace Conference.

According to areport published in the Pristina-based newspaper
"BULKU" on Monday, Mr. Halili has addressed a letter to the heads
of the Geneva Peace Conference calling for the prompt dispatch of
officials to the region of Tetovo and Koumanovo to ascertain the
"acts of provocation" and "provocative actions" of the Skopjans.

Mr. Halili was referring to the incidents which occured recently
in the village of Ladorisk, the town of Ibra and at Skopje's 
Beat Bazaas and to clashes in Koumanovo shortly before Canadian
Peace-keeping forces were deployed in the region.

"It is very well known scenario and there is a proof that acts of
provocation by the Skopje regime against the Albanian-speaking 
population are under way" Mr. Halili said according to newspaper
report.

In his letter to Messrs. Vance and Owen, Mr. Halili also calls
for a meeting between a delegation of Albanian-speaking people
and the heads of Geneva Peace Conference and cocludes by saying:
"I fear difficult times for the Albanian-speaking population in
Skopje".

The tense situation in Tetovo region is due to the decision by
VMRO nationalists not to accept the composition of the local 
regional council which is controlled by Albanian-speaking people
[who comprise about 85% of the total local population] and proceed
with the establishment of another pseudo-regional council


=======
Spiros
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Historians Speak Out!
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:43:18 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <Jan23.052600.47955@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, by irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis):
> o    "I wish to spread Hellenic justice and peace throughout  the
>      world." [Herodotus, Alexander, A 10 (322A)]
 Is this a correct reference? Herodotus never mentions Alexander the
Great in his histories.

Andy
From: kardaras@beggs.ecn.purdue.edu (George S Kardaras)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Mia erwtnsn/protasn
Date: 27 Jan 93 04:48:16 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


  Giati ka0este kai spatalate xrono gia suzntnseis panw
  sto zntnma me ta Skopia? Gia n'allaksete tnn katastasn 
  apokleietai, opote to 0ewrw askopo na ksodeuete adika
  faia ousia kai na ekneurizeste giati, dustuxws, auto 
  einai to mono pou mporeite na kerdisete apo autou tou
  eidous tis suzntnseis.

  Einai protimotero na stelnete nea 'n otidnpote exei sxesn
  me tnn Ellada genikotera kai tnn Makedonia eidikotera.
  Allwste, to leei kai t'onoma tou newsgroup.

  Teleiws filika,
  Giwrgos

---
		George S. Kardaras -- Purdue University
 	  UUCP: pur-ee!kardaras  ARPA: kardaras@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia,soc.culture.europe,misc.headlines
From: mpoly@panix.com (Michael Polymenakos)
Subject: Re: NEWS FROM U.N.
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:01:30 GMT

phssvb@emory.edu (Spiros V. Branis) writes:
>UNITED NATIONS, Jan 25. - A yearlong international controversy over the
>name under which a former Yugoslav Republic should be admitted to the United
>Nations appears close to resolution on the basis of an awkward-looking 
>compromise. 

 From the National Herald 1/27/93 (Edition of late evening 1/26):

 GREECE SAYS "YES" TO PLAN OF EEC MEMBERS FOR ACCEPTANCE OF SKOPJIE TO UN

 Plan is rejected by Gligorov, who is proposing new dialog.

 (Page 8) 

 Diplomatic sources are predicting that (barring any unexpected
developments) the following procedure will be followed:

  Within 7-15 days, the SC will approve a resolution allowing for the
provisional acceptance of Skopjie to the UN with the temporary name of
either "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" or "Macedonian Republic of
Former Yugoslavia". [My comment: This is the first time I read about the
second proposed name. Read it carefully, it has some interesting implications]

  In the same resolution, Athens and Skopjie will be instructed to begin
immediate negotiations for the establishment of a foundation of trust
(This is similar to the Pineiro proposal), and the assignment of an
intervening international body to arbitrate the issue (this body has not
yet been identified).

 The resolution will clearly state that the decision of the arbitrator(s)
will be BINDING FOR BOTH PARTIES. 

 After the passing of the resolution, the typical procedure for acceptance
[using the temporary name] will follow, which will take about 6 to 8 weeks.
Later, the SC will reconvene to approve the name of Skopjie as determined
by the arbitration process, and will then pring the matter to the GA.

- - - - - - - - Source: New York National Herald 1/27/92

My comments on all this: Clinton is the big winner from all this. By
voting for this proposal, he gets to keep his promise of supporting
Greece, he does not have to make any real decisions on the Macedonian
issue, and he is totally immune to any criticism from any side, since he
has kept the US completely out of the loop. If the thing works, no
criticism. If the whole thing falls apart "Don't look at me, the Europeans
did it". Real slick!

Michael.
From: deltah@ccs.northeastern.edu (Hariklia Delta)
Subject: Re: Is Macedonia a Greek province?
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 08:45:02 GMT



;>|> Where do you think the borders of Greece should lie? As under Alexis II?
;>|> As under Basil II? Or Heraclius or Alexander?
;>
;>They should lie where they are. What type of a question is that????
;>
;One motivated by Cyprus [recently], and Smyrna and the W. coast of

You are confusing Greece with Turkey. They invaded the island in 1974 and they
still occupy one third of the island (ignoring the UN resolutions that come
frequently).

;Anatolia in the 1920's. I have no sense from listening to Hellenic
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
;political statement that Greece is at all happy with her current borders.

You have no sense period.


                            
                                                       ---   Xapa


Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: knaff@mili.imag.fr 
Subject: Re: Macedonia should be recognized
Reply-To: knaff@mili.imag.fr 
Organization: Letzebuerg 
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:15:30 GMT

In article <emc.727563100@tomalak>, emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:
|> I think that Macedonia should be recognized as a separate
|> state.  This insistance upon names is ridiculous.  If the
|> English had been insitant on names like Jersey, Hampshire,
|> and York, much of the United States would not exist.  There
|> is Paris, France and Paris, Texas.  There are many such
|> examples around the world.  One could still have the province
|> of Macedonia and the state of Macedonia (or even New Macedonia)
|> without any bother to anyone.
|> 
 
 There is also the (Belgian) Province of Luxemburg, and the state of Luxemburg.
They have the same name, because the Province of Luxemburg used to belong to the 
state of Luxemburg before the Belgians stole it from us.

 Could the same have happened to Macedonia? (i.e. both the state and the province
belonged together long time ago?)
 
--
A.K.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:47:12 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Cro)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Belgians demand Luxembourg change its name!

           ---A Story---

After the Greeks were so able to deter the recognition of Macedonia
due to it's "Activly destroying Greek culture", the Belgian government
issued an ultimatium to the Duchy of Luxembourg to change its name,
because it "implied territorial ambitions" said Jaques Strap, an official
of the Belgian parliament. Mr. Strap also was quoted as stating that
the Luxembourgers had made new maps depicting the Duchy which also
included the Belgian province of the same name.
Belgian forces have been put an alert and the E.C. is convening in
Barcelona, the capital of the Catalan/E.C. presidency. A Catalan official
was "concerned" that this crisis might lead to the development of war in
"the heart of the E.C."

In a similar development, the Republic of Georgia has demanded the U.S.
state of Georgia change it's name, because according to one official
"it undermines the cultural identity of the Geogian people."
The U.S. press secretary Ben Dover, stated that the U.S. "had first
dibs on the name...so there!"

-Cro
From: cla02@keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Historians Speak Out!
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:08:52 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

So you have demonstated that a number of historians think that the
Macedonians were Greeks.

Has anyone ever denied that?

There are also a number (ancient and modern) who take a different view.

I think this must count as one of the silliest sets of postings we have
yet had in this discussion.

Richard Wallace
From: cla02@keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Historians Speak Out!
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:18:05 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Leo J. Irakliotis (irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu) wrote:
: In article <C1FAo7.J0M@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
: |>  Is this a correct reference? Herodotus never mentions Alexander the
: |> Great in his histories.
: 
: Perhaps you should begin reading books instead of eating them.
: 
: -- 
: Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
: -----------------------------------------------------------------

Don't you think that Andy might be hinting at the fact that Herodotus
died some considerable time before Alexander "the Great" was born?

And don't you think that an answer would be preferable to abuse?

Richard Wallace
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
Subject: Re: Geographical term
Organization: VTT
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:43:45 GMT

In article <93026.095014EH9174A@auvm.american.edu> Eleftherios Hazapis <EH9174A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>The Republic of Skopje should not be recognized by a name that is really a geog
>raphical term describing a region of ancient and present-day Greece.  "Macedoni
>a" can be thought of as a geographical term much like "Iberian" in Spain, "Saha
>ra", "Caucasus", "Asia Minor",  None of these names have been or should be used
> to describe a sovereign state.  If this is done, the result inevitably will pr
>ovoke the natural reaction that Greece has exhibited in being against the use o
>f the term "Macedonia" to describe its northern neighbor.

"America" is the name of a geographical entity (two continents).  It in
similar fashion should not be used as the name for a soverign state. 8)E
"Sahara" was used (Western Sahara), but was invaded by the US ally
Morocco and Maurituania, and so is no longer with us.  


Both Guinea and
Guiana are geographical terms and have several countries sharing the
names.  In the 1960's there were two Republics of the Congo, who had to
be differentiated by the name of their capitals as the complete names of
the countries were identical.  Congo is a geographical term (assigned to
a river, but originating from a tribal name).  In none of these cases
have the countries been agressive about the use of the name.

In the 1970s Aden (which the Brittish had named after its capital)
changed its name to Yemen so there were two Yemens (with different full
names).

-- 
doug foxvog     
dfo@tko.vtt.fi   
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Subject: Re: Macedonia should be recognized
Organization: Enea Data AB
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:49:44 GMT

Per Westling (c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se) writes:
>By your argument I understand that it's really the constitution that
>is the problem, not the name.

There is no problem with the Macedonian constitution as the Badinter
commission found out already a year ago. Neither is there a problem
with the name.

The sole problem is Macedonia's south neighbour, Greece.


-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis)
Subject: Re: Macedonia should be recognized
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:50:31 GMT
Reply-To: irakliot@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering Network Services, Colorado State University

In article <1993Jan21.061317.22681@cas.org>, vkb57@cas.org () writes:
|> 	High ranking Greek officers recently paid a visit to the head
|>       of the Security Administration of the Yugoslav Army, Nedeljko
|>       Boskovic. He explained to them that "In the case of war, Serbia
|> 					   ===========================
|>       will accept Greek military penetration of Macedonia to the line
|>       ===============================================================
|>       of Kicevo-Makedonski Brod-Prilep-Negotin-Strumica-Novo Selo.
|>       ============================================================
|>       Struga should also belong to Greece."
|>       ===================================

IN YOUR DREAMS ;-)

In early December 1992 the EC welcomed the Greek initiative to guarantee
the current border of the FYRM. Albania and Bulgaria where persuaded by
Greek diplomats to accept that initiative. Who didn't? But of course the
communist president of the FYRM.

-- 
Leo J Irakliotis                 irakliot@eva.lance.colostate.edu
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Electrical Engineering                      l.irakliotis@ieee.org
Colorado State U
(303) 491-2021                              Optical Computing Lab
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
Subject: Re: Historians Speak Out!
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:10:26 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <Jan26.020403.35167@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, by irakliot@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Leo J. Irakliotis):
> In article <C1FAo7.J0M@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:
> |>  Is this a correct reference? Herodotus never mentions Alexander the
> |> Great in his histories.
> 
> Perhaps you should begin reading books instead of eating them.
> 

Perhaps you'd like to give me a reference to Alexander the Great in Herodotus??

Andy
Newsgroups: alt.news.macedonia
From: hhaldre@mhs.tartu.ee (Heikki Haldre)
Newsgroups: alt.best.of.internet,misc.consumers,news.newusers.questions
Subject: (Q) Adds, NewsAgenc, Encyclop
Date: 25 Jan 1993 07:31:53 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


1) I am very intrested in techniques of advertising in general
   (not on InterNet.) For example, Radio broadcasting, media, etc.
   Can I find any materials on InterNet relating to them?

2) Can I find on-line news, like Reuter or Telerate?

3) Also, can I find on-line encyclopedia?

Thank You

Please E-mail me to Internet: hhaldre@mhs.tartu.ee

Xref: sparky alt.best.of.internet:172 soc.culture.lebanon:5641
From: mfc1493@tamsun.tamu.edu (Ratboy)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.monty-python
Subject: Re: Monty Python Posters
Date: 24 Jan 1993 21:31:12 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu
Keywords: boop boop a do


[that MSC poster guy stuff sorta]

WARNING:  THE FOLLOWING MIGHT HAVE BEEN TAKEN FROM ALT.FAN.KLIMT OR
MAYBE ALT.IN.WRONG.NEWSGROUP...OR MAYBE HEY.THAT'S.NOT.SILLY!

>right, my darling rat, that is not the same guy.
>his posters are only music posters.  the
>other guy has nicer stuff (where i get all my gustav
>klimt posters) and has lotsa movie posters.

Klimt! "The Kiss" is one of my favorites! (Me girly's too)
I like all his stuff but the gold leaf...
Ever heard of Egon Schleil (sp?)?
Check out Half Price Book Store..they have post cards of his stuff...love it.

>>I'm a cruel rat...but fair!
>you're not a cruel rat,  but you're
>not a fair rat either.

How would you know? We've never even been properly introduced!

>>>leather aka service wiffa smile
>>Ratboy aka Is that what that is?
>leather aka wellll...
Ratboy aka Nice teeth.



	"Dressed up this rotten carcass just to make it look alive."

				--Nine Inch Nails
Newsgroups: alt.fan.monty-python
From: s14109jo@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: CONFUSE-A-CAT
Reply-To: s14109jo@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:02:42 GMT

PARDON MOI.....

    FETCH FIVER LE FROMMAGE...

I DONT CARE HOW FAHKING RUNNY IT IS.

I don't want to play this game anymore. Games. Games. Games. I'm sick of em...
I've had it up to here with em I tell ya. Do you understand what I'm tryin
to say. DO YAH!? DO YAH!? YES!?

Very well then...

Continue with your pathetic life and confuse a cat..

------------
simply 

Joe O aka anything that come to the top of my head


Newsgroups: alt.fan.monty-python
From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: lost episode?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:02:25 GMT

prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk  writes:
> In <CMM.0.90.4.727429817.mweil@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mweil@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Marty D Weil) writes:
> 
> 
> >okay, i hadn't thought about this in a long time, but the other day it
> >crossed my mind.  i started watching python when i was a kid, and then
> >it wasn't on for like seven or eight years, or until they started showing
> >it on mtv.  i was sure they had them all, but i seem to recall an episode
> >they never would show.  
> 
> There was one episode which mentioned cancer, which i've heard was banned
> in America at one stage, though as i can't remember which show i'm not
> sure. I think it was part of an animation about "The Black Spot", where all
> the people in it die suddenly from cancer.
It is played in America, but the word "cancer" is overdubbed with "gangreen."

Eric
> 
> Martin
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |Martin Preston,        (preston@uk.ac.mcc.cgu)       | Computer Graphics |
> |Computer Graphics Unit, Manchester Computing Centre, |    is just        |
> |University of Manchester,                            |  a load of balls. |
> |Manchester, U.K., M13 9PL     Phone : 061 275 6095   |                   |
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- 
"Why should I have nightmares?  I give them to you." -- Stephen King

SIC GORGIAMUS ALLOS SUBJECTOS NUNC -- We gladly feast on those who would 
subdue us. -- Addams Family Motto (as heard in the movie)
From: coppinge8817@iscsvax.uni.edu ([COPPINGE8817].PLAN)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.monty-python
Subject: Scripts?
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:05:28 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa



Can anyone tell me where I can get BlackAdder scripts? Other scripts as well,
anything you got, let me know and I'll tell you If I have It or not.  

                Later, Merf.


==============================================================================
Speech is not merely repeating| Jason Coppinger
what one has been told to say | aka Merf/Merfyn ap Donekyn
but is a manifestation of ones| coppinge8817@iscsvax.uni.edu
own thoughts,  and therefore, | ----------------------------------------------
is a natural right.           | I know a girl who says she loves me, she says
           -Austin Fagothey   | she needs me, and I have reason to believe her
                              |                    -Harry Connick Jr.
==============================================================================
First rule of fighting.   Don't get hit.
==============================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.fan.monty-python
From: damiene@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Eccles)
Subject: Re: evironment and shit
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:30:24 GMT

sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney) writes:

>Erm, I'm really bored AND in deep shit, so I decided to male you
>all, and instead post! Em... anyone got any shit on the effect of
>information technology (y'know... 'pooters, and shit) on the
>environment?

um, I saw a report on hopw throwing a PC <spit> out a window
killed a tree, that sort of thing?

Eccles
	"What's burning in the letterbox?"
From: goffgb@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.fan.monty-python
Subject: Re: Skit writing contest....
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:07:10 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

 
> |> Jos aka *ouch*! I need a doctor!
> 
> |I see you need assistance. Can I be of any help?
> |Gina aka I can do more for you than that male doctor =)
> 
> Huh? Get away from me, you devilish wicked woman! There's nuffin' wrong
> with me! Help! Don't touch me! I'm warning you, I'm a gastronomical
   ^^
....you said it.

> ninja! Well, actually my father was. I'll defend myself with Indonesian
            						   ^^again
> cooking! And I won't say `litter bin' anymore! I love it that my leg
			     ^^again		        ^^again
> keeps falling off! and I hate my aunt Muriel! And I hate albatros pie
> anyway ... Help! Let go of that scalpel! No! No! Don't you dare ...
>Oh, but I DO dare...
> Jos aka I'm not gonna say *t
Gina aka too late you already did
Newsgroups: alt.fan.monty-python
From: damiene@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Eccles)
Subject: Re: survey
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:27:42 GMT

hnb5164@tamuts.tamu.edu (Heather Noel Bobbie) writes:

>In article <sprooney.727537577@unix1.tcd.ie> my
>darling sprooney so charmingly blathers on:
^^^^
What!

>>>>In my opinion the best is Holy grail but rent them all ( or even buy them all)
>>>>as they are all worth seeing time and time and time again
>>>The best is: Holy Grail, then Brian, then ANFSCD, and then MoL.
>>Hehe. We haven't had the good ole Grail Vs. Brian argument in about
>>6 months. I really miss it. Anyone on for it? 
>i'm on for anything you care to dish out, oh light of
>my life.
Oh light of my night, woudst thou be so kind as to 
grace my house with thine presence, so that all of 
my house my be graced by thine beauty and grace and
that all wouldst come and worship thee.

>>I MUCH prefer Brian. You just can't beat such class.
>but my dear, i didn't think you swung both ways?!
>i mean, you've told me of all the women currently in your life,
>but who's this brian fellow?
Braig.

>>>Eccles aka Just my $20.34
>>Soisnm aka I'm broke, so...
>leather aka ah, i'll fix you quite nicely.
Eccles aka At last, set em in brass, so they don't wear away


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