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From: bigham@acpub.duke.edu (Scott Bigham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:40:40 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: n. Arrangement in an orderly or logical fashion.  See "miracle".

From the Holy Book of <1992Apr8.000306.10825@husc3.harvard.edu>
  as spake by zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) :
>         [...]  Of course, if I am right in my moral speculations, their
>moral judgment should also coincide with my own; [...]

That's a mighty big 'if' there, Mikhail, particularly in its implied assumption
that it is possible for a moral speculation to be "right".

						-sbigham
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                               | persons or opinions, living or dead, is
                               | coincidental.
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From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
Subject: Re: reading in bed
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:59:33 GMT

In article <JMC.92Apr14183753@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
writes:
>What is the most convenient arrangement people have found?
>What equipment is best?

Lots of pillows and a good, adjustable small-area lamp.

A like-minded partner *with a second lamp* is optional.

-David
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   "Blessed are the peacocks, for they shall be called sonship of God"
             -- Matt 5:9, from a faulty QuickVerse 2.0
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From: loos@amber.mgh.harvard.edu (William D.B. Loos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: C.S. Lewis (was Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE)
Date: 16 Apr 92 08:08:00 GMT
Organization: Molecular Biology, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr14.130320.15113@morrow.stanford.edu>, francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes...
>
>                 Lewis III was the one who came to believe in his own
>nonsense, and for the sons and daughters of the Mr & Mrs Christopher Robins
>that were by now floating around he produced *The Chronicles of Narnia*,
>the most sickly-sweet and morally offensive series of Children's Books it
>has ever been my misfortune to come across. 
>

When you're sent to that special Circle reserved for you I hope you spend 
the rest of eternity discussing Vegetarianism with the pre-dragon Eustace 
(or maybe looking at books of pictures of fat foreign children doing 
exercises) ...


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                           |  "And that, I may tell you beforehand, Maskull,"
                           | said Krag, grinning, "is Crystalman's trump card."
William D.B. Loos          |  "How do you mean?"
                           |  "You'll see.  You'll renounce the world so 
loos@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu | eagerly that you'll want to stay in the world 
                           | merely to enjoy your sensations."
                           |             -- David Lindsay, A Voyage to Arcturus
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Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 14:13:00 EST
From: the Lurker <ACPS7146@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: VAMPYRE list posted?

If you want a list of vampyre books send a request to Vampyres@guvm.
They maintain such a list.

Jim.




 JIM STEELE       | INTERNET: ACPS7146@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA               
  AKA THE LURKER  | BITNET: ACPS7146@RYERSON                          

        The Vampire sloth will get you -- eventually                  

Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:7549 rec.arts.movies:13119
From: nickles@sage.cc.purdue.edu (john nickles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: John Christie
Summary: Christie in Lov
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:06:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44123
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <BM95pq.8rB@world.std.com> jfl@world.std.com (john f lovett) writes:
>Does anyone know if a book exists dealing with the career and trial of
>John Christie, the English serial killer?
>
>He was executed in the 1950's.  A movie was made about him about 20
>years ago.  I think it was called '10 Rillington Place'.

There is a one act play called "Christie in Love" by (either) Julian
Barnes or  Simon Bond. I can't remember which. It has three
characters (Christie, Inspector, Constabl;e ) There is also a large doll
symbolizing all of Christie's victims. The play focuses on Christie's 
relationship with women and the thin line between sex and violence.

John A. Nickles
Standard Disclaimer: Purdue has their opinions, I have mine.
From: loos@ochre.mgh.harvard.edu (William D.B. Loos)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Did Jefferson father Heming's child?
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:04:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ochre.17APR199201044229
Organization: Molecular Biology, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr16.235538.2338@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bl959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Philip G. Terrie) writes...
> 
>	You're right: I have given up with options left unex-
>plored. I have NOT exhumed the relevant corpses and checked
>the DNA (though I gather from recent news reports that one 
>should be just a bit skeptical concerning the reliability of
>DNA tests). 

When conducted properly and given a sufficiently complete and detailed 
database (with respect to variations among various sub-populations) they
can and will be very reliable.  But the latter has not yet been assembled
and the former has not always the case (sometimes shockingly so).

In this particular example, a complicating factor is that the chief suspects 
were Jefferson's nephews, who would have shared a certain amount of genetic
material with him (that's the short way of saying it -- the probabilities
can be straightforwardly worked out).  This wouldn't nullify the tests, it
would just mean that greater care would have to be taken, and a bit more 
work done.


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                           |  "And that, I may tell you beforehand, Maskull,"
                           | said Krag, grinning, "is Crystalman's trump card."
William D.B. Loos          |  "How do you mean?"
                           |  "You'll see.  You'll renounce the world so 
loos@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu | eagerly that you'll want to stay in the world 
                           | merely to enjoy your sensations."
                           |             -- David Lindsay, A Voyage to Arcturus
===============================================================================
From: bl959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Philip G. Terrie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Muir's writings
Date: 13 Apr 92 00:13:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.001352.6623
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Nearly all of John Muir's many books are in print, available from
Penguin Books. The best biography is Michael Cohen's THE PATHLESS
WAY; I'm not sure whether it's still in print, but any good
university library should have it.
From: jjh00@outs.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Fantasy suggestions - list
Summary: Clarification, addition
Keywords: Z. Henderson, K. Wilhelm
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:18:54 GMT
Reply-To: jjh00@OUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Joel J. Hanes)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
>
>?? (starts with Z?)     People of a Different Flesh.  

I'll guess that this refers to
Zenna Henderson's books about "The People":

   _No_Different_Flesh_
   _The_Anything_Box_ (I think.  There's also a short story
                       by this name)


Also recommended:

   Kate Wilhelm's _Where_Late_The_Sweet_Birds_Sang_

___

Joel Hanes
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: sullivana@gtephx.UUCP (Anne Sullivan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: books about music
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:10:41 GMT
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona

Murder in C Major        by Sara Frommer(???)
Murder on the High C's   by Rober Barnard
The Trapp Family Singers

A. Sullivan
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: cs201139@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs201139)
Subject: REC.ARTS.BOOKS.TSR (was 'RFD: rec.arts.dragonlance')
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:18:12 GMT

This is a better idea. That way it will deal with all books published by TSR
so as to free up the rec.arts.books main sub which is always packed. This
will also free up any stray posts over to rec.games.frp or rec.games.rpg.
TSR makes other stuff than just dragonlance. They have a Forgotten Realms
series and a new Dark Sun series and many other generic fantasy type novels.
Don't want to leave anyone out!


Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: C.S. Lewis (was Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE)
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Apr14.165206.3106@cs.tulane.edu>
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:51:56

Just think, Francis, how much your life would be enriched if you
could take lessons that would enable you to enjoy the Chronicles
of Narnia.  My granddaughter, Kitty Rose McCarthy, would probably
be qualified.
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: Rudy.Zalesak@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rudy Zalesak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Muir's writings
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:22:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
  John Muir's autobiography was probably written by a conservationist
			
			Rudy


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From: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: read any good books lately?
Keywords: travel, Feynman
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:47:25 GMT
Reply-To: kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull)
Organization: The Capital Area Central Texas Unix Society

I recently read Pirsig's Lila, which I enjoyed very much (although
I seem to be the only person in the country who's had that
response), and which gave me a lot to think about.

Last night I finished Beloved, by Toni Morrison.  It is one of
the finest, most extraordinary novels I've ever read, and I
don't say that lightly.  I have a feeling it's going to be
with me for a long time.



--Kathy

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 
kate@cactus.org   OR   cs.utexas.edu!peyote!kate   OR   kate@peyote.uucp

"Too fearful to assume himself the onus of a decision, said Mr. Hackett, 
he refers it to the frigid machinery of a time-space relation."
		Samuel Beckett, Watt
-- 


--Kathy
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From: fgn@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.g.neves)
Subject: Re: Who is Elia Kazan ?
Summary: Elia Kazan
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: bl
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:54:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.105503.25895@email.tuwien.ac.at>, root@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (System PRIVILEGED Account) writes:
> 
>  Recently I bought a paperback-novel 2nd hand "The Assasins" by some Elia Kazan.
> I know that name from somewhere. As there's no "About the Author" in that book,
> I'd like to know what other books Mr. Kazan wrote. Something deep in my memory
> tells me he's connected with movies ( Is he a director ?)
> 
Yes, I believe Mr. Kazan is a director.  His name has also become a standard
crossword puzzle device, right up there with the Malayan canoe and the old
Greek marketplace.

Frank
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.written
From: dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M Powell)
Subject: Re: Why Do People Read Horror?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 12:55:07 EDT

In article <1992Apr2.221341.18218@nic.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:

>My all time favorite short horror story has to be "Sticks" by Karl
>Edward Wagner.

	Karl Edward Wagner is a great writer.  If you are a discriminating
	horror fan (i.e. read more than King and Koontz) you will want to
	check him out.  "In a Lonely Place," his first horror anthology,
	contains "Sticks" as well as several excellent storie: ".220 Swift,"
	"By Any Measure," "In The Pines," and several others. He is one of
	the best in the business.

	For you sci/fi fantasy fans, Wagner is probably best known for his
	series about the Conan-like warrior named Kane, about whom he has
	written a series of intelligent, gripping novels.

	And while I'm discussing my favorite horror writers, I'll just throw
	in a plug for Dennis Etchison -- another great "horror" writer.

	Darin Powell
	dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu
From: ncramer@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Tolkien Tapes
Date: 8 Apr 1992 10:15:35 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Laketown Office
Reply-To: ncramer@labs-n.bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com


My daughter (5yrs) is currently going through a serious Tolkien phase.
As a consequence I'm trying to find a copy of the recorded series of
"The Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings" that were broadcast on NPR a few
years back.

Now, there were two series, *both* produced (I believe) by the BBC and
distributed in the US by The Mind's Eye.  The series I'm looking for
had a 26-episode version of tLotR plus (and additional 6-8 episodes of
the "Hobbit").  The other --and IMHO somewhat inferior-- version had
24 episodes in tLotR.

(Both series used to be sold in "Wireless", NPR's gift catalogue, but
neither is carried there any longer.)

So, any help in find a copy of these tapes would be greatly
appreciated.  

Likewise, does anyone know the phone number for The Mind's Eye?

Is there an address/phone-number through which one can buy copies of
BBC radio productions?  Is there a source for these tapes in the US?
(Idiot question:  Do audio tapes work on both sides of the Atlantic?
I know video tapes don't translate.)

E-mail prefered.  Summaries available as needed.

Thanks much
Nichael
From: jeb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.beckman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Isaac Asimov Dead ...
Summary: An Asimov Anecdote
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:57:32 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr9.171833.4585@news.arc.nasa.gov>, watson@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John S. Watson - FSC) writes:
> 
> Alas, I'd alway hoped to meet Asimov someday, and thank him
> for all his wonderful books.
> 
Well, I did, and I did.

Among his multitudinous interests, Isaac Asimov was a big fan of the
Gilbert and Sullivan operettas, and was mildly involved with some of
the Savoyard groups in New York City.  In particular, he regularly
attended productions of and contributed support to the Village Light
Opera Group, Ltd., a semi-amateur group producing delightful G&S
shows in Manhattan.  I took a certain amount of pleasure in seeing
my name in the list of contributors right after "Drs. Janet and
Isaac Asimov."  Anyway, at one production, probably about ten years
ago, the Asimovs were sitting in the row right behind me, and on
the way out I introduced myself and briefly said I had gotten a lot
of pleasure out of his books over the years, and thanks a lot.  He
seemed pleased, tipped his fur hat, and went on his way.

At one point I had a chance to see a show (perhaps a fundraiser)
featuring Asimov "entertaining, in his own inimitable way" with
Gilbert and Sullivan bits.  But I didn't go (everyone line up
to kick me in the read end, please.)

Last fall VLOG performed the G&S show PATIENCE, wherein they
added an encore verse to the patter song "If you want a
receipt . . ." that mentioned a bunch of current topics,
including Asimov and, I think, a reference to his robots.

Personally, I thought his writing was going somewhat downhill
lately, but still, I certainly read him regularly over a long
period of time.  So long, Isaac, it was grand knowing you.

Jim Beckman   AT&T, Middletown, NJ   att!mtqub!jeb
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From: jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin)
Subject: Re: Robert Parker
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:03:20 GMT

In <1992Apr13.143613.19427@samba.oit.unc.edu> Dino.Ciccone@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Dino Ciccone) writes:

>Does anyone have any idea of when the new Spencer Novel is due out itsd right
>around now that he usually announces that he is going to release it in May or June
>I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about the title and Subject of the 
>new one.

>--
>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

	It's due out in either July or August and is called _Double
Deuce_, a slang reference to a .22 caliber pistol.  As for subject,
well, I have no idea since I believe that Parker's writing sucks
eggs, so I pay as little attention to him as possible.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.sex
From: wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL)
Subject: Re: Homosexualism
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:11:58 GMT

7741cs17@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (SILICON VULTURE) writes:

>MJ:
>>>Morals are an inherently personal thing, which should be expected to
>>>vary from person to person.  Expecting someone's morals to be the same
>>>as your own seems to be no more than a hope for a homogenous society.
>>>And a boring one. ;-)

>MZ:
>>You seem to be equating personal morals with personal conduct.

>SV:
>You previously stated that a person's conduct should reflect their morals.
>Mason's point was quite relevant.

Wrong.

Hint:   even if one's conduct ought to reflect one's morals, it does not
preclude the possibility that one's conduct contradicts one's morals.

I'll let you figure out a suitable example of such a case. I'm sure your own
exprerience provides you with lots of good examples.



jw
From: sm@vg.ph.man.ac.uk (Steve Mowbray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:40:04 GMT
Reply-To: sm@g2.ph.man.ac.uk
Organization: University of Manchester,U.K.

In article <1992Apr12.111650.3877@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale) writes:
> Seriously, when we say, "Is this the end of the line?", does an
> Englishperson say, "Is this the end of the queue?"

> And is it pronounced like "cue"? 

Yes and yes.

-- 
Steve Mowbray, Physics Department, University of Manchester, U.K.
-  Janet: sm@uk.ac.man.ph.g2  /  Internet: sm@g2.ph.man.ac.uk  -
From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: read any good books outside museums lately?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:37:52 GMT
Reply-To: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA


Reminds me of two favorite quotes about reading. . .


"Outside a dog, a man's best friend is a book.  Inside a dog,
it's too dark to read."
	-- Groucho Marx (well, almost)

"You've seen it in the books!  You've read it in the movies!!"
"Gosh, it's hard to read in the movies. . ."
	-- The Flying Karamazov Brothers (Ho!)

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes, Net.Roach
My opinions do NOT represent Pacific Bell,
Professional Development, or anyone else.
But I'm willing to share.
From: snow@netcom.com (Tim Szeliga)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Q about _Gravity's_Rainbow_
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:03:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <8APR199208025191@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov> packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:
>In article <1992Mar24.221725.18765@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes...
>>I can't imagine how a plot summary would do anyone any good at all in
>>appreciating GR.
>
>
>Isn't there something to appreciate in the apparent uniqueness
>of this plot, that is, that somebody would be followed around to
>investigate the connection between his very private acts and
>devastating public events? 
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From: tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Irrelevant _GR_ question
Organization: The Evergreen State College, Olympia, Washington
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:09:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.145843.27141@hemlock.cray.com> n2412@cray.com (Joe Green) writes:
>Actually Kirghiz Light was the name of the beer Tom and I drank
>when we went to baseball games with Salinger and Solzhenitzin.
>Solly named it and its ingestion effected much raucous laughter
>(tho Jerry told me he never got the jokes).

	That's because Solly kept telling them in Russian and sobbing
so hugely you couldn't hear a word he said.  Though to be fair, if Jerry
didn't wear that false nose and ears, he might hear better.

	God though I miss those nights in the Bullpen, don't you?


-- 
				Tom Maddox
			tmaddox@u.washington.edu
		"Writing is reading and reading is writing."
				A. S. Byatt
From: TRINGHAM@usmv01.usm.uni-muenchen.de (Tringham, Neal)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Cruelty in Human History (was Re: The Painted Bird)
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:07:42 GMT
Organization: University Observatory Munich, FRG
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Mar28.224831.12388@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org writes:

> In article <1992Mar28.173606.11253@news.lrz-muenchen.de> TRINGHAM@usmv01.usm.uni-muenchen.de (Tringham, Neal) writes:
> 
> >I was responding to Mark Leeper saying that `Stalin had political
> >reasons for starving the Ukrainians' by suggesting that not all of
> >Stalin's victims were killed for entirely "rational" or "political"
> >reasons. Incidentally, what is the issue? 
> 
> Comparative cruelty.
> 
> >If efficiency was not the distinguishing characteristic of the Holocaust,
> >then what was?
> 
> The degree of cruelty, and the scale of it.
> 
> Read Primo Levi's THE DROWNED AND THE SAVED. Then read Solzhenitsyn.

I've read them both. The degree of cruelty involved seems pretty similar
to me, and not that different to that involved in (say) the Mongol
genocides in Russia. 

> 
> Then imagine which camp you'd rather be in, if, God help you, you were
> forced to choose between them.
> 

No preference. 

> My feeling is that most people who insist that there's little to
> distinguish the Holocaust other than the number of people killed haven't
> read enough about it.
> 

Possibly. I would disagree in my case, however. Shall we just agree to have
different opinions? 

Neal Tringham
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