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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Re: New York Giants
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:01:55 GMT

evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - UCS Network Systems) writes:
: Concerning the NY Giants kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes...
: >-- 
: 
: Ha! I couldn't have said it better!
: 
: :)
: 
: Doug
: 
:                                     |                              Doug Evans
:                                     | State University of New York at Buffalo
:                                     |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu


(hopefully third time lucky here)

Having trouble with my editor!

Well lets see if it comes through this time :*)

(If it doesn't, well i give up then!)

What i wanted to know, is how the Giants faired in the draft, since it
takes AGES for the NFL news to travel to here in Australia (via magazines).

Also, anyone know who is likely to be the Starting QB? Simms is getting on
in years and Hostetler needs more digits in the TD department...

Thanks

(praying it works this time!)

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  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
  |                                        | Australia                     |
 
   
   


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From: kowalski@crim.ca (Allan Kowalski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steve Emtman
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:57:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CRIM

behzad@mdd.comm.mot.com (Behzad Khamneian) writes:


>  Could someone please post some sort of a report on how Steve Emtman is 
>coming along as an Indianapolis Colt?

>  Your help and comments are appreciated.

>  Cheers,

>  Behzad


last I heard jeff george was so impressed with emtman (and coryatt) that
he longer thought mgmt had left him out to dry.

we shall see if he feels that way when his O-line starts falling apart again.
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packer depth chart starters
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 30 JUL 92 13:18:41    

In article <1992Jul30.132915.2038@cis.ohio-state.edu>, martens@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes...

>In article <92211.21132432BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> <32BFPQ3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
> 
>>This position suits his athletic ability very well.  Can you imagine the
>>safeties reactions to this 6-5 320lb monster sprinting out at him running a
>>4.7 fourty on a power sweep.
> 
>Where did you hear of Mandarich running a 4.7 40?  He's fast for
>his size, but I've never heard a claim like this.

I never heard this either.  But Ron Hallstrom ran a 4.75 40 in, hmmmm, 
1980 maybe?  I remember because at the time I calculated how much 
horsepower this represents.  I've forgotten what I came up with and 
even how to recalculate it.  I based the calculations on 300lbs going 
40 yds in 4.75 seconds (assuming constant accelleration).

JGH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Weighted picks (was Re: Idea for Pool (spreads))
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:36:06 GMT

mz> Max Zener

mz> Personally, I dislike the idea. For one thing, I don't think people have
mz> 14 different levels of confidence.

  There's no reason that the weights have to be in the range 1 to 14. They 
  could be non-linear between (say) 100 and 20, a range of only a factor of
  5 instead of 14.

mz> That magnification will make people drop out of the pool.  If Joe Student
mz> is behind by 760 points after Week 13, he's not going to keep trying.  The
mz> pool will become less interesting and, more tragically, less fun.  This, it
mz> seems to me, should be avoided.

  Too bad for Joe Student, I say. Two seasons ago, in the 1990 NCAA pool, I
  started 75th out of 75 people (511.62 points compared to 909.34 points for
  1st place). By the end of the season, I was in 15th place out of 117 people. 
  I had climbed to 10584.76 points, compared to 11115.89 for 1st place. Or, 
  to look at percentages, I went from 56% to 95%. I viewed my original poor
  performance as a challenge.

  I think weighted picks are a great idea.

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From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:15:52 GMT

In article <CPM.92Jul27163911@clyde.clearpoint.com> cpm@clyde.clearpoint.com wri
tes:
>Do you really think they will go undefeated in their division? I predict
>they go 5-3 in their division. Remember last year they split the season
>series with the pathetic Patriots in two close games. Didn't the Jets
>come within an eyelash of victory over the Bills last year only to lose
>it on a bad play at the end of the game. Both of these teams have improved
>from last year. Have the Bills?


First, neither team has a shot against Buffalo at home.
Almost no team does.
The Jets would have a shot in New Jersey, EXCEPT they play
on Monday night. The Bills are starting to get famous for 
punishing the Jets on Monday nights.
If it wasn't a Monday night game, there might be some question
as to the winner.
New England beat the Bills last year in New England.
It looked like someone actually watered the field with a garden
hose before the game. Bills players, who rely on speed for
preformance, were slipping and sliding all day. The chances of 
this happening again are slim at best. Rumor has it that the 
Bills will actually send someone to keep an eye on the field 
this year during the pregame week to make sure that there is 
no monkey business.
The Bills face more of a threat of losing in Miami.
The Bills come off a Bye week and slaughter the Jets.
(possibly racking up the score, to prove that a loss to 
the Raiders before the bye week was meaningless.
Yes, if you Jets fans want any chance at all, Buffalo better
beat LA. If they lose the Jets have crashed.)
Then this momentum should carry into their home game with New
England. The next game is non-divisional against Pittsburg, 
and could be tough, but they have home field advantage and 
should win... probably losing some momentum.
Then they go down to Miami, theorectically things could get pretty
rough resulting in a loss.

>They will be lucky to go 11-5.

The last time the Bills did worse than 11-5 was in the strike year.
It seems that you are predicting the Bills will fall to their
worst finish in post-strike football.
I doubt it!

>They had their chance to win the superbowl the last two years, but failed.
>This will have an effect on them this year. They will not come out with the
>same intestity as the last two years.

Two years ago after the Bills (who were favored and beat the Giants in 
New Jersey during regular season play) lost the Super Bowl,
I heard the same tune.
Some thought that the Bills would come out last season without intensity.
In fact they came out so strong, and destroyed their opponents so bad
in the early season, that some of the players actually burned out by
the end of the year.
The Bills have had a problem with peaking around mid-season.
If they came out a little slower, it might be scary come playoff time.


--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Friday, 24 Jul 1992 13:49:27 MST
From: <IDSWB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Idea for Pool (spreads)
 <1992Jul21.172647.29175@colorado.edu>

Dave,
We used this 14-0 system in California a few years back and it worked quite
well.  I believe I have complete instructions (for those who don't 100%
comprehend how it works).  If you would like, I could look them up and either
post them or e-mail them to you.

Let me know.

Sue
From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - UCS Network Systems)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills signings
Date: 22 Jul 92 05:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


John Fina signed a 4-year deal with the Bills today. #2 pick James Patton
came to terms and will sign tomorrow. Nate Turner and Chris Walsh also
came to terms.

Ed Kilgore on Channel 2 News said that it looks like the Bills will have
almost all of their draft picks in camp on time. Thats quite remarkable.
The only question mark remaining in contract negotiations is Cornelius
Bennett. They still have not come to an agreement, but my personal feeling 
is that he won't holdout. Biscuit is a classy guy. He'll get what he's 
asking for without making a big scene.

Could someone else from the Buffalo area give a breakdown of the draft
picks and other signings from today's (Tuesday) paper? I intended to do 
it for the sake of the out-of-town fans but it's 1 AM and I'm going to 
hit the hay.

Good-night guys.


Doug


                                    |                              Doug Evans
                                    | State University of New York at Buffalo
                                    |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Re: Idea for Pool (spreads)
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:22:33 GMT

In article 29175@colorado.edu, davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) writes:
>Someone just sent me what I think is a great idea for the pool.  Please
>comment.
>
>"If you decide not to go with the spreads you also might want to try to
>let the individual people weight each game from 1 to #games that week.
>The weight will be the number of points awarded for a correct pick."
>
>In other words, you take the pick you are most confident about and give
>it 14 points.  Take the one you are least confident about and give it
>one point.  Then give the other 12 games the other 12 values (assuming
>there were 14 games that week).  Thus you could score as many as 105
>points if you got all the games correct.
>
>I really like this idea, please let me know what you think!  (again,
>respond to this post or mail with "spreads" in the subject)
>

Having just seen the Pool Thread, I recall doing this at a friend's office
one year ... this made things real interesting.  That would be a lot of fun,
although the upper bound would be dependent on how many games were scheduled
for any given week ... (I played this the year before the "bye" weeks were
put in place).


Bob

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From: teg@cci632.cci.com (Thomas Gauger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: GOD I HATE MIAMI!!! Yes, the TEGGER is Back
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:35:08 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY


GOD I LOVE FOOTBALL
GOD I HATE MIAMI!!!!!

Is Aaron Fager still alive?
Will Tony T. respond to this posting?
Will Doug Evans proclaim: "Hey, I know that guy!"

These and other questions to be answered in weeks to come.
Football season is starting, and the TEGGER is coming out
of hibernation. So look out NET, cause here I come.

Hey, I am going to the Bill's training camp on Saturday. Last year
my son got a football from Jim Kelly, at the start of the Pittsburgh
Steelers romp ... er game. Anyway, for any Buffaloians out there, my son
was featured on the last Jim Kelly show of last season, as the last clip
of the show. The clip showed Jim Kelly jogging over to the side and
handing my son a football. Whether Jim Kelly knows it or not, he made
himself a hero for live in the eyes of my son. On Saturday, we are going
to Fredonia in hopes of having Jim autograph the football for him. My
son is extremely excited.

Hopefully, I will have some firsthand Bill's news as well come Monday.

Until then....

=================================
The TEGGER
Rochester's self proclaimed #1 Bill's Fan

Section C5
Row 32
Seats 109 & 110

God I hate the Vikings!!!! First Game just 2 weeks away!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: kirchner@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Robert Kirchner)
Subject: Most fascinating stadium?
Originator: kirchner@hphalle1b.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:07:36 GMT


Which is the most fascinating, most impressive stadium for watching a NFL-game?

Don't rank by home team, but criterias like noise made by cheering fans,
support when team plays not very well, show, entertainment before the game
starts and during breaks, music, architecture, tradition, ...


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Texans of Dallas
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:16:47 GMT

In article <55635@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:
>
>>To quickly settle a bet...
>>
>>	Precisely, what became of the infamous Dallas Texans?
>>
>>
>>Gary John (Collins)
>
>They moved to KC and became the Chiefs.  Unfortunately, I can't
>remember the reason why they moved.  I don't think the Cowboys gave
>the Texans that much trouble, or did they?  The Texans were more
>successful for the time they shared the city.  

More successful on the field, definitely -- the Texans were in the AFL title
game two years in a row (1961 and '62), and won the AFL title in the
infamous double-overtime-and-then-some game in '62 at then-Jeppesen Stadium
in Houston.  The trouble was, no one wanted to pay to see them play -- in
1960, the Cowboys drew almost as much for *one* game in the Cotton Bowl as
the Texans did for their entire 1960 home schedule.  After three years of
that, Lamar Hunt did the logical thing and headed up I-35 for Kansas City...

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From: cgl5564@tamuts.tamu.edu (Chris G. Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys training camp
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:44:47 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

I was wondering if some one could up date me on Kevin Smith's playing (or
lack thereof) and his hamstring (?).

Thanx
--
chris
From: baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Rison looking at the NBA?
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:46:48 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul22.190601.25767@talon.ucs.orst.edu>, curt@OCE.ORST.EDU (Curt Vandetta) writes:
> 
>   Query to Atlanta fans or anyone else who stayed up late a couple
>   nights ago and caught the same sports segment that I saw.  Apperently
>   CNN or ESPN (I was clicking back and forth and don't remember which
>   one I was on) reported that Andre "Bad Moon" Rison was making $350,000
>   this year, and was a might be preturbed when the Falcons offered 
>   $1 Million to Sanders to report to camp early and work out with the
>   offense.  They showed a clip of Rison playing Basketball at whatever
>   college he attended and mentioned that he was considering persueing
>   his options in the NBA if the Falcons weren't serious about paying him
>   more money.

  Rison attended Michigan State.  I believe he played his junior and senior
season and did nothing to distinguish himself on the BB court.  On the other
hand, he was never able to start until approximately half way through the Big10
BB season.  Anyone have his stats?  How tall is Rison?  

BBB
From: fmkeith@cbnews.cb.att.com (francis.keithline)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Football tickets
Keywords: Eagles/Giants
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:10:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


	If anyone is looking to get rid of EAGLES or GIANTS tickets please
contact me and I will gladly take them off your hands!

Frank
fmk@llssak.attmail.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: john@porta.b24a.ingr.com (John Nolin)
Subject: Vaughn Dunbar question?
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:36:56 GMT

I heard that Dunbar signed a three year contract with the Saints. 
Anyone have any specifics on the contract?  That and any Saints' training
camp info is appreciated.

-John Nolin-
Geaux Saints!
and as always, avoid the rush and..................

WORSHIP MORA NOW!
From: aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cowboys training camp [5. OL]
Date: 25 Jul 92 20:04:01 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

The less informed fans will appreciate it if the more informed fans supply
info. about  the offensive linemen in camp:

    (1) M Stepnoski... Many people think he'll be in the Pro Bowl soon. Any
    signs that support this?

    (2) N Newton... I heard that he reported to camp at 303 I repeat 303. The
    Cowboys Weekly says that he reported at 329 which is low for a big guy
    like the kitchen. Coach JJ -as reported in the Cowboys Weekly- is
    concerned that Newton lost muscles along with fat. Is there anything that
    support this in the practices?

    (3) K. Gogan... He is too big to be a guard. Why not move to Tuinei position?

    (4) Erik Williams... I hope he gets Tuinei spot.

    (5) J. Brown... another big rookie. Is he developing?

    (6) T. Myslinski... I read in DCW (Dallas Cowboys Weekly) that he impressed
    but I heard on the net (from iceline) that he is injured and will be out
    for few weeks.

    (7) M. Tuinei... can he hold his spot?

    (8) R. Milstead... Any info.?

    (9) J. Gesek... I wasn't impressed last year.

    (10) F. Cornish... They say he is a Plan B steal. Is this true?

Thanks... AAA...
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: derich@netcom.com (Scott A. Steinbrink)
Subject: Plan B signings? Need a List!
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 02:29:11 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Summary: Plan B
Keywords: List

Can anyone provide a list of Plan B signings -- preferably
listed by team, player signed and former team.

If the post was already made, Email me.

- Scott

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From: eanderso@zeus.calpoly.edu (Eric W. Anderson "ERK")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Seattle News
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:12:46 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <1992Jul22.213803.4508@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
>Am I missing something or is Derrick Fenner no longer a Seahawk? If he is still
>with the team why is he not regarded as a quality RB? I've been impressed with
>his running ability, am I the only one? I know one thing I'd love to see the
>guy in a Dolphins uniform. I don't know why Seahawks fans on the net don't
>talk about Fenner. Did he die or something? Inquisitive minds want to know.
>
>John
>

Derrick Fenner is a Bengal via plan b.

erk

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From: jjlamastra@happy.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Weighed picks
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:13:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

>>
> Agreed!  I do like using the spreads, but I can live without them.
> The object of the pool is as you stated: "picking the outcome of
> football games accurately".
> 
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |michaelh@netcom.com             	   At the still point....       |


	I also agree, we do not need the spreads.


JJL
From: aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys training camp [4. TE's]
Date: 26 Jul 92 20:29:22 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul26.012745.14030@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>, oq8y@vax5.cit.cornell.
edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.193614.34454@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
>aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes:
>> The less informed fans will appreciate it if the more informed fans supply
>> info. about the TE's in camp:
>>
>>     (1) Paycheck Novacek... is he still holding?
>>
>>     (2) A. Roberts... he is a good blocker. Are they planing to envolve him i
n
>>     the passing game?
>>
>>     (3) F. Wacasey... this rookie is huge (6-7 244). I hope his playing
>>     ability is as big as his size. How good are his hands? Is he a good
>>     blocker?
>>
>>     (4) any other prospects?
>>
>> Thanks.... AAA....
>Hmmm.... If you REALLY want help for your fantasy team (I know I do), then
>why don't we start a mailing list for football info.  Or are you just
>interested in the "point scorers" on offense?  ;)
>Jon Cohodas
>oq8y@vax.cit.cornell.edu
>

    I am not involved in fantasy football, at least at this time. Could you
    elaborate on the mailing list idea.
AAA....
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: voracek@macdfv.dfrf.nasa.gov (David Voracek)
Subject: Browner Update 
Organization: NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards CA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:18:41 GMT

as reported by ESPN,

Joey browner is undergoing an extensive physical with the
Atlanta falcons......If he passes, he may be in uniform for
the team....

If this is wrong let me know please...


DAVE

Vikes needed a good housecleaning.....
From: str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: GOD I HATE MIAMI!!! Yes, the TEGGER is Back
Date: 29 Jul 1992 22:46:22 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: maredsous

In article 27515@makesys.com, john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
%In article <1992Jul24.143508.24759@cci632.cci.com> teg@cci632.cci.com (Thomas Gauger) writes:
%>
%>GOD I LOVE FOOTBALL
%>GOD I HATE MIAMI!!!!!

[ and other Tegger-like stuff ]

%Oh no just when I thought the world was rid of Buffoonalonians we get this :~)
%YYYYUUUUUCCCCKKKKKK. That's alright though the Dolphins, Patriots, Jets and
%Colts will all get their revenge on the billy boys this year. Go big Dolphins!
%
%Super Bowl in 93, 16-0 in 92.
%
%John "Dolphinatic" Turman

Uh, John, welcome to rec.sport.football.pro.  Ever heard of The Mad Dolfan?
Sit back, relax, and read Tegger's posts for their entertainment value.
Don't blame him or other Buffalo fans if you start taking him seriously.

-todd