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From: sef@Kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Chris' hearing
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:45:51 -0800
Organization: UUNET Communications
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In article <1992Dec15.161929.18943@tessi.com> george@tessi.com (George Mitchell) writes:
>It was a
>demonstration of exactly why Mike Monroe does not fit into the Cicely
>that we know and want to love.

Joel doesn't fit into Cicely, either.  But he fits in because he doesn't fit
in.  Mike fits in much better than Joel does, but he is still mainstream, as
Joel is, and that causes him to stand out.  I think he fits very well into
the show because of that.  (The question is:  will he and Joel become
friends?  Will he and Maggie sleep together, only to have Mike die of an
allergic reaction?  Will both?  [I think that they will sleep together, and
he will die, and this will be Yet Another Bizarre Maggie O'Connel death.])

>And was anyone else alarmed that:
>   a. Joel has 3-plus years left on his contract, and
>   b. now Chris has 3 years until W.Va. can come take him away?
>-- George Mitchell (george@tessi.com)

Note that the judge added "if it shows up!" to her sentence proclamation.  I
took it as a good hint that the State of W.Va. should stay well and away.

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From: jimd@ssd.intel.com (Jim DePorter)
Subject: Re: Chris' hearing
Organization: Supercomputer System Division, Intel
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:30:32 GMT

dmarner@nusdecs.uucp (Dan "Marmoset" Marner) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.161929.18943@tessi.com> george@tessi.com (George Mitchell) writes:
>>
>>And was anyone else alarmed that:
>>   a. Joel has 3-plus years left on his contract, and
>>   b. now Chris has 3 years until W.Va. can come take him away?
>>-- George Mitchell (george@tessi.com)
>It sounds like it is time to organize a letter-writing drive... Write the
>governor of West Virginia and ask him to pardon Chris! (Who is the governor
>there now, anyway? When I left it was Moore, but I understand he has since 
>been convicted.)

Gee, maybe he could move to Cicely also (-8...

jimd
>-- 
>Dan Marner                                     dmarner@nusdecs.uucp
>Network Administrator  (whatever THAT means...)
>National University  4141 Camino Del Rio South, San Diego, CA 92108
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From: reg@dptg.att.com (51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT)
Subject: Mike and White Gloves
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products Division - Lincroft, NJ USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:46:34 GMT

Mike wears the gloves while handling paper.  When maggie came back
from Anchorage, upon mike's request for more legal cases, mike had
the gloves on and was wringing his face with the gloved hands.

go figure, gloves to touch paper so as not to get the formaldihyde 
residue on him but yet he touches his face with those same gloves.


just my 2 cents worth of nit-pick

reg

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From: jonesek@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Erik Reid Jones)
Subject: Re: Mike done a good job! 12/14/92 ep.
Followup-To: alt.tv.northern-exp
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:16:47 GMT

In article <1glr1tINNa8l@ftp.UU.NET> sef@Kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan) writes:
>In article <BzB0p0.F6L@ucunix.san.uc.edu> jonesek@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Erik Reid Jones) writes:
>>**SPOILERS**
>
>>With an extremely original
>>defense that had even Meta-physical King Chris Stephens going
>>"Huh?" Mike saved the day for all of Cicely, Alaska.
>
>It was a really stupid defense.
>
>The extradition warrant could have been voided; instead, it was merely
>delayed.

It was not merely delayed; the judge's statements at the end
made it very clear (to me at least) that the authorities were
not going to show up in three years to pick Chris up.  The
extradition warrant will be lost in paperwork, and Chris will
continue on in Cicely.

>If Mike had set out to prove that Chris was completely reformed, and,
>since that is the purpose of jail time, further jail time was not
>necessary or warranted -- in fact, would have been Cruel and Unusual,
>then I would have been happy with it.  Happier, at least.

But this was an extradition hearing.  The judge can't rule on
whether jail time is warranted.  As Mike said, in an extradition
hearing the only thing that happens is the judge determines
whether the person standing in front of her is the person named
in the warrant.  If he is, send him to West Virginia, cut and
dried case.  It's up to West Virginia to decide whether or not
he spends more time in jail.  Therefore, Mike's only defense was
to somehow prove that the Chris in the warrant was not the Chris
in the courtroom.  Anything further would have been outside
the bounds of the extradition hearing.  So the warrant was, in
reality, voided, and Mike saved the day for Cicely.  Not bad, if
you ask me, and certainly one of the most enjoyable episodes
all season.

Erik Jones

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From: mhill@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (mhill)
Subject: Maggie & Joel in CBS greeting 
Organization: uiuc
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:15:08 GMT

Last night my local CBS station aired a seasonal greeting from the network 
with various characters from different show.  I don't remember exactly
what they said, but it showed Maggie and Joel with their arms around
each other on a couch in front of a fire and Maggie looked affectionately,
maybe even amorously at Joel.  Perhaps a hint of things to come?

--Mary Ann
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 11:47:39 MST
From: <IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: If You Were Santa and You Visited Cicely ...

If I were Santa??

simple!

me with a bow around my neck, for Chris!

Jo Namio
Only Visiting This Planet
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From: H. Nunes <hwnunes@leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: 12/14 Show
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A755879A560300F0@naranja-pc-175.stanford.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 17 Dec 92 01:25:46 GMT
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 09:25:48 GMT

In article <16DEC92.23074042@vax.clarku.edu> , mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>	Now did my eyes deceive me, or did Ed go to the bathroom when Ruth-Ann
>>and the Judge were shooting clays?
>> 
>>	It seems like when Ed went to the truck to get some "Blue Clay", he
>>acutally went behind the truck, and appeared to be taking a leak.  Did
>>anyone else catch this?  It was kinda cute, he kept looking backwards
>>to where Ruth-Ann and the Judge we having coffee, trying to look innocent.
>> 
>Whoa!  Didn't catch this at first, but I just replayed the scene.  No
question 
>about it.  What a riot.

I'll confirm this one too on instant replay... this answers my question when I
first saw the episode: "What the hell is Ed doing?"  I don't mean that I saw
him the first time, I kinda zoned out when Ruth-Ann and the judge were talking
and I relized that Ed was gone for quite a long time if all he was going to do
it get some more clay pigeons... but I guess we know now what he was doing... 
that is something "Picket Fences" would have pulled... so I guess this is the
second time Ed has urinated on camera.  The first was in "Kodiac," the second
in "Crime and Punishment."
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From: alexj@access.digex.com (Alex Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: KGB agent
Date: 14 Dec 1992 06:57:11 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: us
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

After reading all your guesses as to who played the KGB agent, I went back
to the videotape (I haven't taped over it, yet).

According to the show's credits, it was David Hemmings.

Alex Johnson
From: jld7@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Chris' hearing (12-14 ep.)
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:10:20 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

I must agree that the Dec. 14th episode was especially good, but one of my
favorite scenes was when Maggie described the impact that Chris has had on her
life.  I liked all the testimonies because it was like having a flashback to
earlier episodes, but it wasn't done in the cheesy way that TV usually handles
such things,  What I mean is that when you usually see a flashback on TV, you
get the weird music and the whole bit.  Here, it was like it was an integral
part of the storyline because Chris' future hung in the balance.  Other than
that, I can think of nothing that was omitted from any of the other posts.
		Until the next episode unless something comes up later that I
want to respond to,
				Jennifer
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From: m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Subject: Re: If You Were Santa and You Visited Cicely ...
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:42:48 GMT

Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes:

> Let's do something in the Christmas vein. If you were Santa and you visited
> Cicely, what would you give to each of the main characters in Cicely?
> 

I would give Joel and Maggie eachother.  I would also give Joel a steady 
stream of real deli food.  I would give Maggie a complete makeover.

I would give Ed a new movie camera and an episode where he sell some of 
his film and can spend the money as he wishes.

Marilyn would get the nice Indian (Native?, I'm not sure of the P.C. 
term) man she wished for on Prodigy and, if she wanted it, a personal 
trainer to help her take off a few pounds.  It's not that she shouldn't 
have a high self-worth as she is, but it's not healthy to carry around 
that much extra weight.

I would give Shelly a baby.  Maybe have one appear on her doorstep.  
Although she's flaky, she'd probably make an O.K. mother, and the rest of 
Cicely wouldn't let her screw up too badly.

Ruth-Ann needs more romance, so she'd get that nice salesman to come 
around more often.

I think that Maurice needs a publisher and a biographer, so that's what 
I'd give him.

Chris needs a good lawer (judging from the spoilers) and I'd give him a 
better one than Mike since Mike is obviously either loony or really sick, 
either way, not the best representation.

Last of all, I'd give them snow since it is Alaska.

Ciao!

m4safran@student.business.uwo.ca (Melissa Safran)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
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From: jimd@ssd.intel.com (Jim DePorter)
Subject: Re: Chris' hearing (12-14 ep.)
Organization: Supercomputer System Division, Intel
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:42:56 GMT

jld7@jaguar.uofs.edu writes:

>The author of POST 1907 writes that Chris is a non - essential character to the
>show. I beg to differ with him on this point.

I agree. This is like saying the music isn't essential to the show. I look
at Chris as the narrator. More in a thematic vein then in a narration
mode. To me Chris is the soul, the essence, the bond. 

  Is the soul the heart? The mind? Nay I say the soul is that which once
the body has been assembled brings breath to it. It is that thing 
that provides the mystery. For what is the body but a collection of
organs and parts that can be measured, studied and quantified. But
the soul, yes the soul. No ruler will take of its measure, it neither
hungers or thirsts for worldly goods, yet in it's contact with the
mortal it bounds itself and binds itself to that which it can never
be...



>		
>		Happy Holidays everybody,
>			Take care,
>				Jennifer 

later,
jimd
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			In theory, there is no difference between theory
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From: dmarner@nusdecs.uucp (Dan "Marmoset" Marner)
Subject: Re: Chris' hearing
Organization: National University, San Diego
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:57:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.161929.18943@tessi.com> george@tessi.com (George Mitchell) writes:
>
>And was anyone else alarmed that:
>   a. Joel has 3-plus years left on his contract, and
>   b. now Chris has 3 years until W.Va. can come take him away?
>-- George Mitchell (george@tessi.com)
It sounds like it is time to organize a letter-writing drive... Write the
governor of West Virginia and ask him to pardon Chris! (Who is the governor
there now, anyway? When I left it was Moore, but I understand he has since 
been convicted.)
-- 
Dan Marner                                     dmarner@nusdecs.uucp
Network Administrator  (whatever THAT means...)
National University  4141 Camino Del Rio South, San Diego, CA 92108
From: jld7@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Chris' hearing (12-14 ep.)
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:52:32 GMT
Organization: University of Scranton

The author of POST 1907 writes that Chris is a non - essential character to the
show. I beg to differ with him on this point.  Although Chris is not one of the
major characters, he is essential to the show.  When NEXP began, the original
premise of the show was to focus on Joel; however, the writers realized that to
have a broader appeal, as well as more storylines, there would have to be more
focus on the inhabitants of Cicely, otherwise they would just be caricatures. 
Chris is essential to the show, as are all the minor characters, otherwise
there would not be as much focus on them as there is on Joel. Now the focus is
more evenly distributed among all of Cicely's inhabitants. Watching Chris'
hearing is kind of like watching a favorite movie that you've seen a dozen
times already, like say, The Wizard of Oz.  You already know what's going to
happen, but you still watch it anyway, although the only way you could watch
this particular episode would be with a VCR, but that's beside the point. 
Everyone knew that they couldn't get rid of Chris, but it was still a good show 
in every aspect, and it makes for some good conversation on the network to know
what others think of it.
		
		Happy Holidays everybody,
			Take care,
				Jennifer 
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From: lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Mulcahy)
Subject: Re: If You Were Santa and You Visited Cicely ..
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 17:47:41 GMT

Overcome by nausea on 15 Dec 92 18:09:41 GMT, Wanda L McCrae
(mmrwlm@sn217.uca) retched up these words::

: I don't know about the other characters, but I'd give Maggie and Mike
: each other.  She seems much calmer and happier with him on her mind
: than Joel.  I've noticed and appreciated a new depth to her character
: that Joel seems to repress.

Funny, I've been thinking that lately the Maggie character has been
acting kind of shallow and scatterbrained.  That bit where a fellow
pilot died and she tried to change her whole personality and went
around being nice to everyone struck me as something a teenager would
do, not a 30-year-old.  Compare her giddy confused behavior around
Mike with the crafty manipulative woman who got the best of Joel back
when they were sparring.  It looks like Mike's helpless victim act is
the key to disarming Maggie's emotional defenses.

Larry Mulcahy
lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu
______________________________________________________________________________
When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I don't deal drugs.
When they took the six amendment, I was quiet because I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I'm don't own a gun.
Now they've taken the first amendment and I can't say anything at all.
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From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)
Subject: Re: Syndication in Fall '94
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:32:17 GMT

In article <1gltifINN4pk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bw286@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cleveland A. Hardin) writes:

|> The ad also contained some intresting information.  One pictured showed
|> Joel sitting in front of a "Welcome to Cicely" sign.  The sign listed
|> the population as 215 (with Joel) and the elevation as 6572 ft.
|> Can this be corroborated or disputed with info from the shows? I'd like
|> to know because I always thought Cicely was bigger than that.

Cecily's not (bigger), but Roslyn, WA is...about 900 people as I recall.
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From: sef@Kithrup.COM (Sean Eric Fagan)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Mike done a good job! 12/14/92 ep.
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:51:25 -0800
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In article <BzB0p0.F6L@ucunix.san.uc.edu> jonesek@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Erik Reid Jones) writes:
>**SPOILERS**

>With an extremely original
>defense that had even Meta-physical King Chris Stephens going
>"Huh?" Mike saved the day for all of Cicely, Alaska.

It was a really stupid defense.

The extradition warrant could have been voided; instead, it was merely
delayed.

If Mike had set out to prove that Chris was completely reformed, and,
since that is the purpose of jail time, further jail time was not
necessary or warranted -- in fact, would have been Cruel and Unusual,
then I would have been happy with it.  Happier, at least.

x-gateway: rodan.UU.NET from garbage; Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:06:47 EST
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 14:06:39 EST
From: louise@cc.gatech.edu (Louise Penberthy)
Subject: Re: Chris' hearing
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	<15DEC199215565430@juliet.caltech.edu>
	<1992Dec16.183540.19917@b15.ingr.com>
	<1992Dec16.203819.10142@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
Cliff Chen (cliff@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ) writes:
> In article <1992Dec16.183540.19917@b15.ingr.com> reagan@fedsrus.b15.ingr.com writes:
> >	What is the status on Bernard?  Has he moved to Alaska?  Does he have a
> >job?  I am assuming he simply took a vacation when he went to Africa to find
> >himself.  Did he ever go back to his original job?  Wasn't he an accountant or
> >something?  He seems to be in Cicely quite a bit lately.
> 
> 	Maybe someone who has a better memory or feels like going through
> taped episodes can support this, but...
> 	As I recall, there was a episode a while back (post-Africa) where
> Bernard showed up and proudly displayed his new jeep ranger to Chris saying
> that his job now has something to do with working with the Russians and
> that he would be driving up to be ferried across the Bering Strait.  As a
> result, he said that he should be stopping by Cicely more often.

Yes, he said they were opening a stock exchange in Novrosibirsk
(sp?), and that they needed a CPA to consult.

-- Louise Penberthy


Louise Penberthy                |  "A lot of people think 'a capella'
Dept of CSIS, Kennesaw State    |   means 'without clothes.'"
College, Marietta GA  30061     |        
louise@pravda.cc.gatech.edu     |        -- Barry Carl, bass, Rockapella
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From: drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu (Douglas J Renze)
Subject: Re: "Crime and Punishment" -- Legal Questions
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:02:01 GMT

pga0625@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Paul Ackerman) writes:


>         I have a question regarding Mike and why he was able to represent
>    Chris at his hearing.  I'm not a legal expert, but isn't it true that
>    one must pass the ABA exam of that particular state before being
>    allowed to practice there?  (Just a little something I learned from
>    "Cousin Vinny").  I'm asking because it seemed that the person
>    representing West Virginia seemed hoplessly inept.  Considering his
>    hatred of Chris for just being a Stevens, I would think he would try to
>    use just about any means at his diposal to try to halt Mike's defense. 
>    Maybe he just didn't think he could lose.

A lot of states have reciprocal bar exams, I believe.  Dunno if Minnesota and
Alaska do, though.  Also, you have to have passed the bar in that state to
practice that state's law...the statute which the judge cited is a federal
law, and, hence, is applicable in all 50 states.  Also, that kid representing
West Va was an Alaskan prosecutor...they faxed the data to him from WVa.  I
doubt he could actually have cared less about whether Chris went back to
"face justice" or not; Chris's nemesis was the head of the department of
corrections in West Virginia.

-- 
| Douglas J Renze            | "Jerry [Brown] is the equivalent of a          |
| drenze@icaen.uiowa.edu     |  drive-by shooting."                           |
| drenze@chop.isca.uiowa.edu |                                                |
| drenze@aol.com             |         * NPR's Morning Edition, 13 July 1992  |


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From: bobhurt@cac.washington.edu (Bob Hurt )
Subject: OFFICIAL RESULTS: Mike Monroe should be ... vote
Keywords: dead
Organization: UW Computing
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:08:52 GMT


There were 51 participants in the "Mike Monroe should be ..." vote.

With no further ado, here are the official results:

    Mike Monroe should be  ...   --  3  [No opinion]

    Mike Monroe should be  ALIVE -- 10

    Mike Monroe should be  DEAD  -- 37


If you add the votes, you'll notice that you only come up with 50 votes.
That's because one person wants Mike paired with Eve, and since Eve isn't
on the show anymore I wasn't sure where to put it.

When I say I want Mike dead, I'm not very particular as to whether he
actually dies or just leaves Cicely.  Some people don't mind if Mike
stays in Cicely as long as he stays away from Maggie.  Others would just
like to see Mike leave peacefully.  And still others would like to see
Mike "incapacitated and stuffed into an oil drum".  I took that to mean
dead.

One voter who chose life for Mike insisted that, without a doubt, she was
not insane.  I tend to believe her, even tho I'd like to see Mike gone.

--Bob Hurt
  bobhurt@u.washington.edu
From: hibner@cl-next4.msu.edu (Rich Hibner)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.infomercials
Subject: Re: Love Phone w/ Jessica Hahn
Date: 11 Dec 92 21:20:51 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <gf8L=vG00WBK84qIhZ@andrew.cmu.edu> tc36+@andrew.cmu.edu  
(Tucker J. Christon) writes:
> 
>     Have any of you seen Jessica Hahn's sleazy info-mercial about tele
> dating. It is so funny to watch with a group of friends. The people she
> has on her show are always the same and it is quite amusing. Does anyone
> have anything to say about this waste of television time???
> 
> -Tucker

Absolutely!  It's the funniest thing to come to late night television.
Big girls!  Blonde Girls!  And my favorite (and those of you who've seen  
it knows this is no lie)  Housewives, Secretaries, and Co-eds!  Well, hey,  
they're just looking for that special somebody with a good sense of humor  
who can get off over the phone at $4.99 a minute.  It gets my vote for  
"Infomercial of the Year".  Hey, if anyone wants a list of the numbers...
JUST KIDDING.

		--Rich Hibner--
		hibner@atlantic.cps.msu.edu
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