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Subject: Re: What is Ireland's national anthem? Is there one?
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:05:15 EDT
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

Funny, this subject came up at this time last year. I rooted around in my
archives, (okay, I never get around to deleting my old mail), and I found
my response. I'm not sure why I mailed rather than posted last year, so that
it would be entered for posterity, but it is now :-)

(By the way, I only ever learnt the Irish version, and I don't know of anyone
who sings it in English. But I seem to remember some brief mention here about
six months ago about the 'politics' of the English version, not that it was
different than the Irish version, but that the Irish language version was
inaccessible to many people. Anyone remember what I'm rambling on about?...)

I also see that my .sig is over a year old. (How time flies....) I guess it's
time to look into that as well.

>From rbyaml Thu Sep 19 07:48:07 1991
>Subject: Amhra/n na bhFiann
>To: mcbriart@freezer.cns.udel.edu
>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 91 7:48:07 EDT
>X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
>Status: OR
>
>
>You just happen to be in luck! After I eventually figured out what your
>message meant, I said, "Sorry, I have no idea where to get the words",
>but I just happen to have a copy of the programme from the All-Ireland
>on my desk, and, lo and behold, on the first page, the words to the chorus
>of Amhra/n na bhFiann. (That's all anyone sings anyway.)
>
>Sinne Fianna Fa/il,
>Ata/ faoi gheall ag E/irinn,
>Bui/on da/r slua
>Thar toinn do ra/inig chugann
>Faoi mho/id bheith saor,
>Sean-tir a/r sinsear feasta
>Ni/ fha/gfar faoin tiora/n na/ faoin tra/il.
>Anocht a the/am sa bhearna baoil
>Le gean ar Ghaeil chun ba/is no/ saoil
>Le gunna scre/ach faoi la/mhach na bpile/ar,
>Seo libh canaig amhra/n na bhFiann.
>
>
>> Cc: I@cns.udel.edu, have@cns.udel.edu, been@cns.udel.edu,
>>     looking@cns.udel.edu, for@cns.udel.edu, the@cns.udel.edu,
>>    words@cns.udel.edu, to@cns.udel.edu, the@cns.udel.edu, Irish@cns.udel.edu,
>>    National@cns.udel.edu, Anthem@cns.udel.edu, for@cns.udel.edu,
>>    months@cns.udel.edu
>>
>> now! Could you please send me a copy of them?
>>
Aengus.
--
RBYAML@ROHMHAAS.COM                    Aengus Lawlor
RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET                   (who used to be ALAWLOR@DIT.IE)
"How about some of that famous Dublin wit, Barman?"
"Certainly, sir. Would that be Dry or Sparkling?"
From: ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What is Ireland's national anthem?  Is there one?
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:14:24 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <suzanne.77@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com> suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Suzanne Barrett) writes:
>
>Isn't it The Soldiers' Song?  There're probably many recordings of it; I 
>have one by the Clancy Brothers.  It's very stirring; certainly one of the 
>better anthems, if indeed, it's the one.
>Suzanne

The Gaelic version, Amhrain na bhFian (or is it Amhran?) is usually sung.
The only time I have ever heard of the English version being sung was
by Derriers on Summer holidays in Donegal.  In my experience far more Irish
people are likely to sing their anthem, than is normal, which explains
why there was great resentment last year at one of the All-Ireland's when
a soloist was brought in to sing it before the match.
What happened this year?  



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+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
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From: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re:  What Clan and What Tartan
Date: 11 Sep 92 11:14:16 GMT
Reply-To: morna@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Morna J Findlay)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

In article <10SEP92.21223999@enh.nist.gov> downey@enh.nist.gov writes:
>
>
>BTW, Morna, I hope your comment about "ignorant Americans" was in
>jest.  :-)
>
Not quite in jest because I think some of mmh's postings have this
thread running through them.

It was short hand for something like "people who mmh dismisses as
ignorant americans" ( can't remember exactly what I said.)

However, mmh has not to my knowledge ever used the phrase "ignorant americans",
this is purely my interpretation of the tone of some of his postings.


M


--
Morna Findlay 					JANET:morna@uk.ac.ed.dcs 
	Thanksgiving For a National Victory (Robert Burns)
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for murther.
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From: winkler@zrzsp12tu-berlin.de (Barbara Maren Winkler)
Subject: Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:15:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.091337.13949@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>, ggrieve@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (greig.grieve) writes:

|>      ...  in 60AD after the Romans had defeated Boudicca and devastated Mona
|> (Anglesey). Also, that the signifcance of Mona to the Druids lay in the fact
|> that it was close to Dublin in the sacred island of Ireland. ...

Dublin was a Viking settlement, 900 A.D. What a pity ...

--
bmw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: swade@ocf.berkeley.edu (Wade Shen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.esperanto,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.misc,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Date: 5 Sep 1992 05:33:33 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

Do you really think you need to peddle your religion in the soc.culture.xxx
newsgroups?  I respect your right to express your religious beliefs, but
please express them in their appropriate location.  It is a common courtesy
on this network to do so.

					thank you.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Celtic languages (was: Re: FYI - Politics in NI)
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:59:07 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group

In article <james.715997263@wrs.com> james@wrs.com writes:
>sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin) writes:
>
>>I know (and I still resent having been kicked out (at least my
>>ancestors) our land by these anglo-saxons barbarians who should be sent
>>back to where they belong somewhere near Danemark :-) :-) :-)
>>Nevertheless,  Breton is now spoken in Brittany which *is not* insular.
>
>It's an insular Celtic language by original, not by current, location.
>Brittany was resettled by people from southern Britain, who brought
>their language with them when they returned to the continent.  It's
>not directly descended from the continental Celtic languages.
>

BTW, does scholarship know anything about the Amoricans who
took in the refugee Britons and appear to have been
overwhelmed and subsumed by them? 

They were Celts, I assume. 

Was their language a type of Gaulish?

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
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From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.esperanto,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.misc,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:34:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Sep4.164932.2166@doug.cae.wisc.edu> irfan@maxwell.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) writes:
>THE CALL OF THE QUR'AN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK   
>
>
>(Especially for Christians)
>
>STATEMENT OF INTENTION
> 

> ( a huge stuff deleted)


   Hi, Sir, this not a church and this is not a appropriate
place to tout you religion!
From: D.A.Harrison@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Harrison)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What is Ireland's national anthem? Is there one?
Date: 13 Sep 92 15:40:31 GMT
Organization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.


In article <CC.92Sep11115151@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk 
(Chris Cooke) writes:
>In article <ballan.716175201@csuvax1> ballan@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au
(Christina Ballantyne) writes:
>
>   Can someone tell me what the 'English National Anthem' is?
>
>There isn't one, they generally use the British National Anthem.

Well, there is "Land of hope and glory" which is used at sporting events
when an England team is competing (e.g. Commonwealth Games, 5 nations 
Rugby etc.). I don't know whether you'd call it an "official English 
National Anthem" though.

On the subject of anthems let's not forget "Ilkley moor bah't 'at"
from my ancestral home, the (soon to be) Republic of Yorkshire; and
of course, from my adopted homeland, "The Blaydon races". Both of
them knock spots off the insipid piece of feudal grovelling that
currently serves as the British national anthem.

Dave

---------------------------------

Dave Harrison				JANET: D.A.Harrison@uk.ac.newcastle
Computing Laboratory			PHONE: +44 91 222 7784
University of Newcastle upon Tyne
Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 7RU
U.K.

	The Scots (originally Irish but now Scotch) were at this time 
	inhabiting Ireland, having driven the Irish (Picts) out of Scotland;
	while the Picts (originally Scots) were now Irish (living in brackets)
	and vice versa. It is essential to keep these distinctions clearly in 
	mind (and verce visa).

				-- Sellar & Yeatman, "1066 And all that".
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Celtic languages (was: Re: FYI - Politics in NI)
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:42:32 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

From article <1992Sep7.131705.28753@dsg.cs.tcd.ie>, by sloubtin@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Sylvain Louboutin):
> Breton as an ``insular'' celtic language?  just wondering...

Because derived from British immigrants? Just a guess.

Andy
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scots or Picts (was Celtic alchoholism?)
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:03:01 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
>For all we know, the same sort of people lived in the same spot
>for thousands of years from Neolithic times & their language & culture
>just gradually evolved into Celtic.  What would that mean?
>If so did "Celts" build Callanish or aren't you a Celt if you
>don't wield iron, pipe, do knotwork, & aspirate consonants?

It is unlikely that a group of people in the British Isles
would have spontaneously evolved a language which is reasonably
closely related to other Indo-Euopean languages as the Celtic
languages are. I mean, why didn't they spontaneously evolve
Japanese, or Mayan or any other language?

It is possible, of course, that the people were conquered and
ruled over by a Celtic aristocracy, and eventually adopted the
Celtic language without being all descended from Celts in much
the same way as English is now used by many people of
non-English descent.

Matthew Huntbach
From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sheela-na-gig
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:28:06 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

merritt@macro.bu.edu (Sean Merritt) writes:



>On the new album DRY the band PJ Harvey(lead guitarist of the same name)
>has a son titled "Sheela-na-gig". Is this gaelic? If so what does it
>mean?

>The line in the song goes "Sheela na gig, you exhibitionist!"


>'hanx in advance.
hanx?

There are things called sheena na gigs which are small statuettes,
fertility symbols, of woman like forms with exagerated genitalia,
which come from Ireland's distant past. Dublin museum has some,
apparently, but they keep them securely locked up in a basement, to
avoid inflaming the feelings of the public. (They might breed like
rabbits if they saw them....)

Of course, your Sheela na gigs  may be soemthing else.
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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: Re: e IRISH SOCIETIES IN LONDON
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:21:19 GMT


In article <1992Sep11.133312.26058@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, charles@nmr.ion.bpmf.ac.uk (Dr. Charles Davie) writes...
> 
>Does anyone have any details on Irish Societies in London for the 'CRACK
> 
>CHARLIE
>P.S.   Sorry about the previous non-entries.

These people will know:

	From "De/ tha dol ann an Lunnainn" :-

          LACE (The London Association for Celtic Education).
          This body co-ordinates the promotion of the 6 Celtic
          languages in the London area. They organise monthly lectures
          on Celtic topics and they produce the only Pan-Celtic guide
          to events in London (price #1).

          Contact: LACE, Roger Casement Irish Centre, Eastgate
          building, 131 St. John's Way, London N19  3RQ
          Tel: 071- 281 3225

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  Views here are my own, and are not necessarily those of Digital
From: moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Ford a scotish clan ?
Date: 14 Sep 92 08:38:44 GMT
Organization: CICB, Universite' de Rennes I, FR


a political french man (ecologist) Brice Lalonde says his family 
of his mother was Ford a scotish clan.
then who was Ford clan ?   is Ford in usa descendant of scotish ?
From: ah@dunaad.co.uk (Alan Hunter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Sheela-na-gig
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:39:13 GMT
Organization: Johnson Hunter Limited

In article <25791@castle.ed.ac.uk> erck03@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler) writes:
>There's at least one in Scotland (I'm no expert - there may be dozens
>for all I know).  It's high up on the external wall of the tower of the
>church at Rodel (Harris).  

Do they still have the long bar with the corrugated iron roof at Rodel?
The rain hammering on that roof was a form water torture, fortunately the
remedy was at hand in the amazing selection of whiskies available:-)

Alan


-- 
Alan Hunter
Johnson Hunter Ltd
Isle of Islay, Scotland
A.Hunter@dunaad.co.uk          fax: +44-496-2336         voice: +44-496-2286
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From: man@cs.brown.edu (Mark H. Nodine)
Subject: Re: What clan and what tartan?
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:57:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.130315.28749@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
|> From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
|> 
|> This is a FAQ; note the pseudonym adopted by Mrs.Bonham BTW,
|> see my comments on celticry and swords-and-sorcey.

I don't see anything wrong with that except a slight misspelling:
it should have been "Skye warrior" :-)

	--Mark
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Still Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What clan and what tartan?
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:46:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.130315.28749@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
|> From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
|> >My husband comes from Irish and Scottish origins.  We know his Irish side
|> >very well, but his Scottish origins are murky at best.  On a trip to
|> >Edinburough, his mother found a number of Scottish Bonhams listed on
|> >a war memorial.  So far, we've had no luck tracking down what clan the
|> >Scottish Bonhams are out of and what tartan would be appropriate.
|> 
|> >SKY WARRIOR aka MLH Bonham  | "Good tea.  Nice House." -- Lt. Worf
|> 
|> This is a FAQ; note the pseudonym adopted by Mrs.Bonham BTW,
|> see my comments on celticry and swords-and-sorcey.
|> 
|> The clan system only existed in the Highlands in the north of
|> Scotland. The fact that someone is Scottish does not mean that
|> they can be assigned to a clan. In order to encourage
|> romantically minded tourists, one occasionally find tables with
|> suggestions that anyone with, say, the surname "Smith" is part
|> of the clan "MacDonald". This is all total nonsense, the only
|> basis being that perhaps a family with that surname at one time
|> lived on MacDonald land. It surely does not require a great
|> deal of thought to realise that not everyone with the
|> surname "Smith" in Scotland, let alone everyone named "Smith"
|> in the world can thus be said to be "out of" Clan MacDonald.
|> 
|> There is in any case almost no hisorical evidence that specific
|> tartans were associated with specific clans. It appears that
|> the associations were invented by cloth manufacturers in the
|> 19th century.
|> 
|> Matthew Huntbach

Excuse me, but my pen name is due to the name of my kennel.  I use this
name as an identification of my racing kennel.  The name, "Sky Warrior",
is the name of an aircraft, I believe made by MacDonald Douglas, in the 
60's.  I simply wanted to associate my sled dog team with something fast.

It has nothing to do with sword and sorcery.

BTW, thank you for the diatribe and setting me straight.  I'll remember not
to post here in the future.

"..And the horse you rode in on!"

-- 
-----------------------------                                              
SKY WARRIOR aka MLH Bonham  | "Good tea.  Nice House." -- Lt. Worf
mammoth!mlhb@druhi.att.com  |----------------------------------------------
mlhb@drutx.ATT.COM          | SKY WARRIOR RACING KENNELS - Coming to an
                            | Iditarod near you!
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From: tom@arthur.jsc.nasa.gov (Tom Robinson)
Subject: Celtic Knot Rings
Organization: Metrica, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:02:12 GMT

A couple of years ago, I saw a celtic knot ring advertised in a mail order
catalog for one of the major museums (probably Smithsonian or Metropolitan,
I can't remember).  I should have ordered one immediately but did not, so
of course I never saw them again.  Does anyone know where I might find one,
or perhaps a good source for celtic jewelry in general?

Thanks,
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: What is Ireland's national anthem? Is there one?
Date: 14 Sep 92 09:28:37 GMT
	<CC.92Sep11115151@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <BuIwvJ.7C5@newcastle.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: D.A.Harrison@newcastle.ac.uk's message of 13 Sep 92 15:40:31 GMT

In article <BuIwvJ.7C5@newcastle.ac.uk> D.A.Harrison@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Harrison) writes:

   >   Can someone tell me what the 'English National Anthem' is?
   >
   >There isn't one, they generally use the British National Anthem.

   Well, there is "Land of hope and glory" which is used at sporting events
   when an England team is competing (e.g. Commonwealth Games, 5 nations 
   Rugby etc.). I don't know whether you'd call it an "official English 
   National Anthem" though.

I don't think people round here will quickly forget the Edinburgh Festival
Fireworks Concert during which a naive and enthusiastic young English
conductor tried to persuade 150000 Scots to create "the biggest mass
sing-along of all time!" by singing "Land of Hope and Glory" *twice*.  :-)
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: halpin@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Date: 5 Sep 92 13:44:41 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

dfair@octel.com (Donald Fair) writes:
> newt@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Michael Steven Newton) writes:
[...]
>>  -- Mi/cheal
> 
[...]
> 	By the way trying to make a non celtic name celtic with
> 	a / does not make you an expert.
> -- 
> _____________________________________________
> Donald H. Fair       Software Sanitation Eng.
> dfair@octel.com     "They're all small when 
> standard disclaimer  They're blue." papa smurf 
> ---------------------------------------------

Being rude and ignorant on Usenet does not make you an asshole, though
it may make people think so.

It's very common in Ireland to use the Irish version of one's name.
Mi/cheal (note the spelling difference as well as the accent) is the
Irish version of Michael, and is every bit as Irish as Miguel is
Spanish. 

Brendan 


Brendan Halpin                    Email: HALPIN@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK
Nuffield College                  Phone: +44 865 278642
Oxford OX1 1NF
United Kingdom
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From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Celts, Picts, and Stuff
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:46:46 GMT

Celtic Britain and Ireland by L. Laing & J. Laing
Pub. St. Martins Press (1990)

This book also has a good section (Chapter) on the Picts.

											GW
From: rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Scots or Picts (was Celtic alchoholism?)
Summary: Ah - even more mystery
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:48:05 GMT
Organization: not St. Andrews University

Re: climactic changes in scotland

Well - actually in Roman times in the north of Britain people grew
grapes and soft fruit no longer available except in Sussex.....
Not that that means 'the picts' rushed around nood of course - but I
thought the deal was that they were VERY heavily tatooed - just like
amerindians...

And how come no one is interested in the pre-celts? Until the big 
volacano errupted in Iceland aprox 5000 years ago there were loadsa
(well atleast 60000) people reputed to live in those houses on piles
round wet areas (both inland and by the sea) and WHO BUILT THE BROCHS and
what were they for???
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru
Date: 8 Sep 92 11:32:16 GMT
	<1992Sep7.091337.13949@cbnewsi.cb.att.com>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: ggrieve@cbnewsi.cb.att.com's message of 7 Sep 92 09:13:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.091337.13949@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> ggrieve@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (greig.grieve) writes:

   In "The Life and Death of a Druid Prince" (Rider Books, Random Century
   Group Imprint), the authors Anne Ross and Don Robins investigate the
   "Lindow Man" found during peat cutting in Cheshire.

   Radiocarbon dating, and ESR (electron spin resonance) tests on the
   contents of the stomach show the the last meal was a bannock prepared and
   eaten according to a sacrificial rite. The presence of mistletoe pollen
   supports the involvement of Druids, and the time of the death may coincide
   with Beltane.

How do they know the bannock was prepared and eaten according to a
sacrificial rite, rather than prepared according to his mother's bannock
recipe?   And are the dating tests really accurate enough to pinpoint the
*day* he died, thousands of years ago?   Just wondering...
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)