From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: "New Right" Libertarians?
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:23:29 GMT

In article <robc.18.0@wicat>, robc@wicat (Rob Carlson) writes:

|>In article <1993Jan11.065529.27080@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
|>writes:
|>>From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
|>>Subject: Re: "New Right" Libertarians?
|>>Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:55:29 GMT
|>>In article <robc.16.0@wicat> robc@wicat (Rob Carlson) writes:
|>>>In article <C0nIDp.oy@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill
|>Hallam-Baker) writes:
|>>: The crux of the matter is "freely contract". If there is only one employer
|>in an
|>>: area and the only alternative to taking employment from them is to starve
|>then
|>>: does that consititute a contract "freely entered into". 
|>>>
|>>>	If this situation was plausible, I might agree with you. But it 
|>>>is impossible in all but one circumstance.
|>>
|>>	Counterexamples coming up...
|>>
|>>>	How could there be only one employer in the area? Every person in 
|>>>the area is potentially an employer. They all need certain services and will
|>|>>>hire others to do them. Companies don't grow on trees, they are created
|>when 
|>>>a person is willing to pay another person for some good or service. You are
|>|>>>always free to start your own company.
|>>
|>>	OK, let's see you:
|>>
|>>	Start your own airline. You must buy airplanes, hire a lot of
|>>pilots and flight attendants and reservations staff and buy space at
|>>airports to park your planes. You must also print or contract out the
|>>printing of airline schedules, among numerous other things. And what
|>>if the other airline companies don't want your competition...
|>
|>	Or you could start one of these companies:
|>	1. A taxi service to shuttle people to and from the airport.
|>	2. A parking lot where people could store their cars while they are 
|>	   away.
|>	3. A security business that would protect people's homes while they 
|>	   are using the airport.
|>	4. A programming business that provides scheduling info for the 
|>	    airline.
|>
|>
|> [ More extreme examples deleted]
|>
|>>	These examples can readily be multiplied; I have to question
|>>the seriousness of anyone who claims it's simple to start a business,
|>>especially a big one.
|>
|>	You are limiting the possiblities unnecessarily. The companies you 
|>can start are limited only by your creativity. There are many businesses 
|>that can be started with NO money. How about a window washing business?
|>Every month or so, a guy comes by my neighborhood offering to do odd jobs. 
|>This cost him nothing but his effort.
|>
|>
|>
|>>
|>>>	The only situation under which your scenario could be achieved is by 
|>>>force. Like some government making a law that says you may only work for 
|>>>that employer and cannot form any business of your own.
|>>
|>>	Or when other companies lock you out, for example.
|>
|>	It will take force (i.e. government) for them to accomplish this.
|>
|>>
|>>	Ultra-capitalist romanticism has a certain entertainment
|>>value, I must concede.
|>
|>
|>	Anything short of a free market is just the 'Haves' using force  to 
|>keep the 'Have-nots' in their place.

Does this guy actually read what he posts? 

Libertopia gives you the choice of accepting a job dictated by a monopolist
employer or alternatively you get to go round doing odd jobs. If doing odd jobs
because the real jobs have been stolen isn't being kept in your place what is?


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Phill Hallam-Baker
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