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From: dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Amy Buttafuoco)
Subject: Re: Orientals . . .
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:30:33 GMT
Organization: ABBA Escort Services

ChazL@county.lmt.mn.org (Chaz Larson) writes:

>ObPeeve: the particular phrase "person[s]/people of color".
>I can appreciate what the coiners of the phrase were after, but it's the most 
>cumbersome phrase I've heard in a long time.

Maybe they'll streamline it into "colored people".  That would be fitting,
since that's one of the phrases that was deemed so Bad-n-Nasty back in the
60's.

I cannot appreciate what the coiners of the phrase were after: the replacement
of descriptive, but innocuous, words with vague contemporary catch-phrases
which will, in the next 5 years, be replaced with even more vague terminology.
It's stunning that these people think that by replacing one symbol with another
symbol, the substantive thing it refers to goes away.  It's like "crippled".
This was thought to be such a horrible word that people started using
"handicapped".  When *that* became a bad word we get "physically challenged".
The reason it is bullshit to do this is because after you've substituted the
euphemism, after a while the euphemism takes on all the connotations of the
word it replaced: it still conjures up the same image of a guy in a wheelchair
or whatever.

-Dave
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From: jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey)
Subject: Re: Did we read the same book?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:48:04 GMT

In article <CINDY.93Jan7224027@solan10.solan.unit.no> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>The feeling you get when you see a movie or play, based on a book
>you've read and loved, and not only do you find the movie/play
>disappointing, but you don't even understand how they got this mess
>out of the book.
>
>The first time this happened to me was _2010_.  I do not understand
>where that crap in the movie came from.  I understand that the plot
...

I was disappointed with 2010 as well.  A poor execution of a good idea.
For example, Roy Schnieder using an Apple IIc computer.  Or the
frequent us of "voice over" to explain what was going on because
the movie itself wasnt explaining it well.

!Peeve:  An exception to the book/movie observation:  I think
the movie _To Have and Have Not_ with Bogie is better than
the Hemingway book on which it was based.


-- 
     Jim Lacey  --  my own opinions    
     email:  att!cbnewsl!jlacey  or  jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
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From: obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB)
Subject: Re: Man mauled by lion
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:52:51 GMT


Peeve: that the zoo cannot post "you've been warned" and let the idiot
be lunch for the nice kitties.

Peeve: that the cats would probably get sick, anyway.

Peeve: that the newsmedia would slant the reporting, rather than simply state
that another idiot committed suicide and good riddance.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis)
Subject: Re: Give It Up (was: Re: New Year's Resolutions)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:14:23 GMT
Keywords: Lent Lent Lent

In <1993Jan6.173759.10195@nsscmail.att.com> cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton 
EDward LEIHY iii) writes:

>In article <C0C4CH.KJo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas 
A. Dennis) writes:

>>!Peeve: Lent.  Amongst practicing Catholics, it's customary--if not 
mandatory,
>>I'm a little rusty on my Papism--to give something up for Lent, as some sort 
of
>>obligatory penance.  The idea was that it should be something that you would 
>>actually miss, but in the latter days of my faith, prior to abandoning it 
>>entirely, I'd give up things like pate de fois gras, trips to Brazil, and 
>>leaping tall buildings in a single bound.

>If I were a (practising) Catholic, I believe I would
>give up LENT for Lent.

Heck, why not give up Roman Catholicism for Lent?  Or forever?

>Sounds like a good idea to me.

And so it was... World without end, amen, halleluiah.
--
>---<

Tom Dennis                  | "I have seen all the works that are done
dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu  |    under the sun; and, behold, all is 
(217)384-2504               |      vanity and vexation of spirit."
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Orientals . . .
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:53:50 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <C0q4Ix.GMs@vcd.hp.com> dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Amy Buttafuoco) writes:
>Maybe they'll streamline it into "colored people".  That would be fitting,
>since that's one of the phrases that was deemed so Bad-n-Nasty back in the
>60's.

Peeve:  Growing up believing that expressions like that are inherently
        racist, when in fact their replacements are merely a matter of
        fashion?  What difference does it make what you call someone (aside
        from perjoratives like nigger), so long as you treat them with the
        respect that they personally deserve (or don't deserve)?

>It's like "crippled".
>This was thought to be such a horrible word that people started using
>"handicapped".  When *that* became a bad word we get "physically challenged".
>The reason it is bullshit to do this is because after you've substituted the
>euphemism, after a while the euphemism takes on all the connotations of the
>word it replaced: it still conjures up the same image of a guy in a wheelchair
>or whatever.

Which isn't suh a bad thing as the mealy-mouthed description "physically
challenged".  I have a friend back in NY who's been in a wheelchair since
high school and he's just like you or me, aside from the fact that he can't
go jogging with me...

      don
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: Re: Larry's Confusion... (Was: women without rhythm)
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
	<ATAYLOR.93Jan6084559@gauss.nmsu.edu>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:50:45 GMT

>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:45:59 GMT, ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) said:
   [...]
Nosy> 	Yer confused, Larry, it's the NEW wiffy that Bandy
Nosy> 	don't let read the news.....

The one with all them natural rythms.. Muhh Muhh!

L.
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From: nolan@twg.com (G. E. Ologist)
Subject: Re: Yes, Yes, Let's Talk About the Weather
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: International Bureau of Meterology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:32:51 GMT


[... materia deletia ...]
|>Wasn't there supposed to be some problem with global _warming_?

It's Pinatubo's Revenge.
--

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Vrchoticky)
Subject: Re: Global Warming Is Just Around The Corner (Was: Yes, Yes, Let's Talk About the Weather)
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:20:24 GMT

ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:

>ObPeeve: that people really believe mere humans can influence
>	 such a huge system as the atmosphere; volcanoes have
>	 been dumping chemicals (and gases) into it for millions
>	 of years. To think that us unhairy apes can outdo 
>	 volcanoes is a form of hubris.

oh, puh-leeze! this is no time for false modesty! when it comes to 
fucking up the atmosphere those unhairy apes have a distinct advantage 
over volcanoes: they are able to employ thermonuclear reactions.

peeve: people who belittle civilization and its achievements. 

-alex

-- 
Alexander Vrchoticky             alex@vmars.tuwien.ac.at
TU Vienna, CS/Real-Time Systems  +43/1/58801-8168
From: pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Man mauled by lion
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:53:15 GMT
Organization: British Telecom
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Not Al Crawford (Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk) wrote:

: Never mind the fact that the guy who got
: attacked was apparently a nutcase and had had to climb two high fences

What peeves me about the episode is that the guy, apparently a paranoid
schitzophrenic, was running around in the the big wide world, instead of
being in a appropriate institution where he could be properly looked
after. This of course is a direct consequence of our beloved
government's policy on mental health, which is to close down all the
asylums and turn the nutters loose on the community. Where they are free
to starve, climb into lions cages or whatever.

I'm looking forward to the day when one of these nutters climbs over the
fence into the houses of parliament and throws some raw hand-grenades to
the occupants.

: You must've been watching the wrong news broadcasts - at least one of them
: showed the lion-loony interaction, albeit not in very much detail.

Peeve: That the news broadcasts showed any of the footage. I've got
quite a good imagination. I'd rather just hear the story and imagine the
details. Crummy video footage I can do without. And what kind of
`tourist' videos something like that anyway?

-- 
  ____________________________________________________________________
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 "Cast your bread upon the waters and you will get back... soggy bread"  
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From: bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich)
Subject: Re: Peeves about Teenagers
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 14:37:01 GMT

In <86117@ut-emx.uucp> logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw) writes:

>Texas stretches farther South than any other state (with the possible
>exception of Florida).

Hawaii beats them both.  And Florida beats Texas by about 120 miles or so,
if one goes as far south as Key West.

Nyah, nyah!!!!!

The geography weenie,
  -Bill
From: curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: The Los Altos Rod & Gun Club
Date: 11 Jan 1993 23:50:26 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Snakepit - Do Not Feed.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cobra.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan11.224403.25138@odin.corp.sgi.com> zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide) writes:
>In article <1isokn$nb3@agate.berkeley.edu>, Curtis Yarvin writes:
>>
>>It's not a hard mistake to make, though, considering the remarkable
>>physical resemblance between you and JZ.  Jill and Linda may be
>>capable by now, but it takes a lot of practice to be able to tell one
>>booze-ridden Sasquatch from another.
>
>I guess you didn't take those folks seriously when they told you you'd go
>blind, huh? Here's a quick reference card for a slow reference boy: 
>
>Curtis - Roughly 5'8" - looks like a college student with a big allowance.
>	      Maybe 140 pounds soaking wet. Looks like the "before" picture
>	      in a Charles Atlas ad in the back of Popular Science. 

I can sympathize with the jaundiced eye deformations that go with
Sasquatch-hood, but the facts are that I am 5'11 and 155 - before
trenchcoat.  It is, however, true that the tremendous dimensions of my
genitals tend to pull me into a slouch.

>Jenny - about 5'6", dark curly hair. Bahstan Accent. Nice tits. 

I will attribute this lapse to the gross hearing loss that playing Sir
Mix-A-Lot's "I Like Big Butts And I Cannot Lie" through Sony tab
headphones at full volume, while ferociously playing your pelvic
trombone into the liner notes, will inevitably cause.

Or perhaps you grew up in the dense, Sasquatch-ridden forests of Ben
Lomond, and have never before met anyone from Brooklyn.

You might also consider investigating line lengths built on a human
scale; just because you have a belly like a Ford Pacer doesn't mean
you can ramble on in proportion to your bulk.  All God's chilluns got
to hit the return key sometime.

c
From: rgvdh@vtrl.src.mei.co.jp (R. van der Heide)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Darwin, a three-time loser (was: I Don't C
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:04:17 GMT
	<1993Jan8.172214.26337@dazixco.ingr.com>
Organization: Matsushita Electric Industrial Co.,Ltd.

In article <1993Jan8.172214.26337@dazixco.ingr.com> avdh@dazixco.ingr.com (Alain van der Heide) writes:
> In article lkr708INNia3@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM, banta@abingdon.Eng.Sun.COM (242 lbs before cooking) writes:
> >Alain van der Heide denies his name means "Skin of the alien" thusly:
> 
> I do deny it!  As anyone I know will attest, it means "Alien Life Form".
> 
> ObSheesh:  Sheesh!

Actually, a good argument can be made for translating "van der Heide"
as "Heathen".

ObPeeve: Having a brother who's famous for flaming on alt.tasteless.

-RGvdH
From: makinc@hhcs.gov.au (Carl Makin)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: I Don't Care
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:50:49 +1100
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <93Jan07.153445.18824@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:

> Suggestions for more peevful flicks to add to the show are hereby
> solicited.

Highlander 2
Home Alone 2

Carl

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From: library@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Gordon Riddell)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Man mauled by lion
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:32:03 GMT
Organization: Oxford University Computing Laboratory, UK
Originator: library@merlin.comlab

In article <1993Jan5.080455.2722@panix.com> dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes:
>In <C0Cytn.2p6@vcd.hp.com> dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe) writes:
>
>(lots of good comments del)
>
>>actually climb over them.  At the very least, they should have someone on
>>standby to inject the lion with a tranquilizer when things like this happen.
>
>-wouldn't it make more sense to shoot the people?
>

I think this is a job for some charity like "Save the Children" (don't quite
know
why I picked that particular charity?). We could all carry Donor Cards, like the
Kidney Donor Cards we get here in the UK. Mine allows virtually all my organs
to be used for something. It could be extended with a special box - 


Tick below if you wish your limbs and torso to be left to:


0 Lion
0 Jackal
0 Buzzard


Zoos would then become visitable places again.
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: Re: Holiday Baking Peeve
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:06:26 GMT

<In article <5214@equinox.unr.edu> malc@pyramid.unr.edu (Malcolm L. Carlock) writes:

<   Raisin cookies.  The damn things look like chocolate chip cookies, but
<   when you bite into one you get a mouthful of shriveled, dried-insect-like
<   raisins.  Phoo.  Phooeeee.

	Raisins, eh?

	Hmm....

	Yer cookie baker have any rabbits around the place, Malc?
From: dre@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Andre)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Goodbye, Dizzy, goodbye Rudolph Nurriev Re: Goodbye, Dizzy
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:48:35 GMT
Distribution: alt.peeves
Organization: The People's Number Four Cat Farm, Berkeley CA, USA

And what did he die of?  "Heart complications"?  Yeah, right.
-- 
"And tell me, how did you come to have so many children?"
"Well, Groucho, I love my wife."
"I love my cigar too, but I take it out sometimes."
From: henken@ocf.berkeley.edu (Matthew J. Henken)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Peeves about Teenagers
Date: 5 Jan 1993 02:16:24 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

In article <86117@ut-emx.uucp> logan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Logan Shaw) writes:

>Peeve:  When people think that just because some kind of convention or
>generally-agreed-upon notion exists, that I care about it. 

[deleted]

>Also,
>Texas stretches farther South than any other state (with the possible
>exception of Florida).

I guess you also don't care about the "generally-agreed-upon notion" of a
"state" (as in one of the United States).  Either that, or the "convention"
of what constitutes "south" leaves you cold.  Of course, a third possiblity
is that you make claims without thinking.

Hawaii, you ignoramus, is a state which extends further south than Texas.  Your
geographic claim was false.  If we accept the standard you employ (that a state
that extends very far south is part of the region "The South"), then Hawaii
is part of the South and its citizens are southerners.  If you want to hold
this, fine, just let everyone know that you are using words differently from
competent speakers of the language so that someone doesn't fall into the trap
of thinking that your language's similarity with English is a product of its
identity with it.


ObPeeve:       People who want to take part in public-forum discussions and then
	       claim that others don't have some right to expect that language
	       is being used in a normal, conventional way.

RelatedPeeve:  That these same people view their rejection of convention in
	       conventional matters of representation (linguistic and other)
	       as some expression of individualism or strong mindedness rather
	       than as the pointless hinderance to communication that it really
	       is.


Matthew J. Henken
henken@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: <no subject>
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:13:02 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <1icda5INNkfe@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM
writes:
>>Kinda like people who can't get to the point in a meeting or on the 
>>phone or the like.
>
>I know someone with the opposite problem: he can't *drop* the point.
>For some reason, this guy has a tremendous amount of difficulty 
>reaching closure on anything during meetings, and moving on to
>something else -- an extremely cautious, conservative person by nature,
>he wants to milk every little aspect of every topic absolutely to death.  
>
>And when he comes into my office to talk about something, he never makes 
>it out the door successfully on the first attempt; he *always* makes a 
>U-turn as soon as he reaches the hallway and comes back in to discuss one 
>more thing.  There's always "one more thing" with this individual.  I'll 
>pointedly turn back to my workstation, but he doesn't pick this up.  It 
>also does no good to stop and turn only partway around in my chair, with my 
>hands hovering exaggeratedly over my keyboard, when he comes back in.  

Just a second man, that sounds like Columbo.  But how could it be, when
Bill B hasn't killed anyone since Hoffa?

    don
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Colour It magenta
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:34:39 GMT

ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy) writes:
] 	I'm at a loss to know the difference between "raw" and "ripe"
] 	hand grenades; since all grenades nowadays are green, I s'pose
] 	they're all "raw"....the Mills Bomb was often black, wasn't
] 	it? Does that mean the "Dark, Satanic Mills" was, er, "over-
] 	ripe"?


as a genearal rule of thumb, grenades need to
be picked unrippened. But If you have one that
has started to change to, say puce, or teal, it
is clearly a Fashion Risk and should NOT be used....


ciao
drieux

ps: remember, if your Weaponry Conflicts with
your Wardrobe, its a time for some Serious Soul Searching.


-- 
MajorModernDayProblems: "Olivia Newton-John is the grand-daughter 
of Nobel Prize-winning physicist Sir Edmund Newton-John." --Frank

Clear Proof Of Genetic Superiority, eh No????
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: Re: women without rhythm
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:57:08 GMT

>>>>> On 4 Jan 93 07:20:42 GMT, bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Mack Daddy) said:
Mack> Don't you hate it when you're fucking a woman who has no
Mack> sense of rhythm?  Rather than getting plenty of friction
Mack> when you're humping her, she's either having an epileptic
Mack> fit or she perfectly matches your backthrust with her
Mack> outthrust.

Mack> I've concluded that they have the same gene that [white]
Mack> folks who go to concerts have -- you know, the ones who clap
Mack> on the up-beat rather than the down-beat and can't even do
Mack> that regularly, trashing the entire crowd within 4 bars.

Mack> !Peeve: Half of my wife has natural rhythm.

Good thing the old wiffy don't read the news, eh, bandy?

L.
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From: zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: I Don't Care
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:59:51 GMT
Reply-To: zursch@whizkid.wpd.sgi.com (Jeffrey B. Zurschmeide)
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


I put my sister's mood ring in the freezer in the depths of the 70s to turn
it black. It did, and it never turned back to any other color. I killed it.

Just goes to show...

JZ

p.s.  Peeve: Taxes.  
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: Re: cross-posting peeves. Again
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:06:21 GMT

>>>>> On 4 Jan 93 10:52:07 GMT, Claudio.Terrorist@ed.ac.uk (Claudio.Terrorist) said:
	[...]
Claudio.Terrorist> [ awful newsgroup: line deleted ]

> Now where's that net.terrorist when you need him?

Claudio.Terrorist> Is that me or Mohammad Ibn Purplehazi you mean?

You'll do. Assuming you can still implement the old exploding keyboard 
trick for posts or replies with more than ten newsgroups listed..

Claudio.Terrorist> I was away around christmas day for my "other
Claudio.Terrorist> job"

Claudio.Terrorist> ObPeeve. Reindeer on strike the 24th. That
Claudio.Terrorist> reindeer might want to get paid is simply
Claudio.Terrorist> unheard of. I'd have shot them, but I needed
Claudio.Terrorist> them for the night. Sheesh.

That explains a lot.

L.
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