From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Moving from X to Y.
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:04:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: mksol.1992Sep30.220428.5373
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <92269.195710MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu> Spiro the Spiny Goldfish <MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>In article <1992Sep25.183340.22749@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com
>(fred j mccall 575-3539) says:
>>
>>Motif is CUA compliant.  It is the IBM X GUI.  Remember IBM?  The
>>folks who make OS/2?  Windows is also CUA compliant.  In my
>>experience, Motif looks quite a bit like Windows.  You will get the
>>same degree of 'similarity' in X, under either Open Windows or Motif,
>>that you get in MS Windows.  Naturally, each application is also going
>>to have its own menus as well.

>That's not the point. An X-Windows app that wants to run under any window
>manager can't use the specific features of a particular one, hence, Motif's
>beautiful menus and dialog boxes are largely useless, no?

Well, actually, that is the point.  This is like saying that PM is
relatively useless because if you use it you can't run the program in
text mode.

>>
>>You moron - isn't it interesting how you pick the thing you want to
>>do?  What do you have to do to add an application to THE MENU in
>>Program Manager?  You can't?  Gee, that's sure an apt comparison then,
>>isn't it?

>Since twm has no Program Manager, and no folders, I used the menu. It is,
>after all, the only way one can start a program, besides using a command
>prompt, which kind of defeats the purpose of a GUI, eh?

So you get some X-based file manager and use that.  You're comparing
apples to arthropods, just because both of them start with 'a'.

>>Hard to believe.  Fortunately, it seems that MOST of the people on
>>TEAM OS/2 aren't such incredible dickheads.  I guess that makes you
>>damned near unique, huh?  Maybe you should go to work for Microsoft.

>Just because the only other guy who called you on your ridiculous usability
>comments worked for Microsoft doesn't mean I'm not a good Teamer. Remember
>that most of the people that have net access are on UNIX sites, and are very
>computer literate. The net isn't even a very good reflection of the computing
>world.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to have to do with anything, but I
think I don't need to 'remember' what the net is about.  I'm at a 
UNIX-DOS-VMS-VME-VM/CMS-Windows-OS/2 site, personally (I hope I didn't
slight anyone).  I'm not sure what that is supposed to have to do with
anything, either.

>>You sound like you'd fit right in in Pete's organization.

>Doubtful, as I hold business ethics to be very important. However, you'd
>better hope you never have to work with "real users", as you'd never fit in
>there.

Sorry, but I do it all the time.  Just goes to show, Mike, that
perhaps it is YOU who have forgotten 'what the net is about' and
that's it's probably not a good practice to tell people about
themselves unless you actually know something about them.

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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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