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From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.elections
Subject: Re: The Difference Between Conservatives and Liberals
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:32:21 GMT
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory

In article <1992Sep25.134020.16348@news.uiowa.edu> bnolte@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Bill Nolte) writes:

   From article <1992Sep15.180936.6562@galileo.physics.arizona.edu>, by krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger):
   > Conservatives think that liberals are wrong.
   > Liberals think that conservatives are stupid.
   > 
   > Therein lies the conflict between the two.
   > 
   > Ted

   Someone once asked me for an unbiased, 2 sentence description on the 
   difference between liberal and conservative as used in today's political
   context.  Just in case anyone wants, or cares, to know, here is what I
   told them:

   Liberalism stands for collective rights and collective responsibilities.
   Conservatism stands for individual rights and individual responsibilities.

   I think it is pretty good, how about anybody else.

   Bill Nolte

I think it is pretty good too, but are things so very simple? Why can't 
we have both? 

L.
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Subject: Re: Question: why won't Bush debte
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:09:14 GMT

In <1992Sep27.233030.6631@uunet!tellab5!odgate> mike@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Mike J. Kelly) writes:

>Baker apparently also believes that once a debate is scheduled, people put
>their decision on hold until "after the debate."  With Bush ten or more
>points behind, they don't want that Clinton lead frozen in, even for a week
>or two.
This is an interesting point, but it suggests that if Bush were to
debate Clinton at all, he would have already done it.  With only five
weeks to go until election day, by this logic, Bush really can't afford
to debate Clinton.  

I'd suggest, though, that Bush has to debate Clinton soon, no matter
what the format.  He's just too far down not to (even with Perot perhaps
helping him in California and some Midwestern states).  Bush might also
benefit from the expectations game.  Everyone expects Clinton to blow
him away, especially in a one-on-one, one-moderator debate.  If Bush
manages to just look halfway decent in such a situation, he may come out
looking good.  If he manages to actually make Clinton look bad, then he
may gain enough to put him over the top.  If Clinton does blow him away,
he's about where he started in the first place.
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From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy)
Subject: Re: The Difference Between Conservatives and Liberals
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:37:36 GMT

foy@aero.org (Richard Foy) writes:

>I used to think I knew my poltical leanings.

>After reading this thread for awhile I am totally confused. I think
>I could be labeled anything from reactionary to radical.
					
That's the problem with how people view labels. People see a label and
automatically associate you with that position on every issue. That's
why my sig spells out my un-liberal positions ahead of tiem so I don't
get flamed for something I don't believe in by someone who assumes too much.
		
Labeling is ok; how people use and interpret labels is subject to manipulation.
That's the basis of politics.
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From: leisti@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Teemu Leisti)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Quayle is more charitable than Gore
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:36:32 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Sep30.034955.11642@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>	I lov it! Once again you Democrats, liberals, basically
>cowardly scum of the Earth once again make a personal attack on
>an opposing viewpoint! What is this, Krystalnacht?  Who are the 
>fascists!  Attack me personally, you damned dogs of scum and cowardice,
>and I will take you ALL to your graves!
>
>					John Peter Wagner

Oh, dear.  "Damned dogs of scum and cowardice."  Rather purple prose,
don't you think.  Not good for making reasoned points.

All right, I'll attack you personally:  Naughty, naughty, naughty.

Happy?

--  Teemu Leisti  /  U. of Helsinki, Finland  /  leisti@cc.helsinki.fi

                 Zippy the Pinhead Clown for President!
                          "Am I elected yet?"
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Sunday, 27 Sep 1992 22:38:49 PST
From: <RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Economic Recovery plan

In article <1992Sep27.213340.433@Warren.MENTORG.COM>, tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM
(Tom Limoncelli) says:
>
>In article <s9TNRB4w164w@cellar.org> kml@cellar.org (Scott Tiger) writes:
>>
>>For a free copy of Clinton's economic recovery plan, call 1-800-272-9763.
>>
>
>For a free copy of Bush's economic recovery plan, just look at what he
>did for the last 4 (or 12, depending on how you look at it) years.
>
>Don't expect him to change.  His buddies are getting rich and that's
>all that counts.
>
>George "Lie And Spend" Bush ignores the budget.  He'll be gone by the
>time it caves in on us.
>
>Tom
>--
>Tom Limoncelli -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work) -- tal@plts.uucp (play)
>       Both candidates are offering economic packages, but only
>          one candidate can leave us with a President Quayle.

You mean dead! don't you. I have been watching with silent amazement the contor
tions and tortured face, reflecting the syntax, of our Maximum Leader. He prove
s what I thought back in '88 and repeated to many friends- Goethe was right, A
bargain with the Devil(read temptation to do, say anything) get you nothing but
 ashes in your mouth. Look at four years of colossal ineptitude and finger-poin
ting. The only thing to take credit for is one that was as most of the term has
 been- A REACTION  to events, the gulf war won at great cost in lives ( this is
 being discussed on another thread but!) , the main victors being the Kuwaiti f
amilies and the Oil companies. seen the gas prices lately, did'nt we fight a wa
r to protect our economic interests ( Let us forget the nonsense about democrac
y, in Kuwait?!@#$%$)?

So what do we have now Hopefully only another month of ranting by the Bushman a
nd his pet Dannikins. Then we can get down to the hard work, and BELIEVE  ME it
 awaits,of rebuilding this country from 12 lazy years of Republican looting. My
 generaTION  30+ won't have an easy retirement but if we pay the debt off befor
e I retire I will buy lunch for any who reads this and remembers!

Let us send the Bushman back to his non-existent residence in Maine, or better
yet the Single room residence in Texas.

rajagopalan...the government pays my salary but thanks for the first Amendment!
From: bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Improving the nation's infrastructure
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:30:09 GMT


On the 4th of June this year (1992) Democratic Senator Albert
Gore of Tennessee introduced a bill, S. 2813, as a companion to a
pending House bill, H.R. 2772, that would establish in the GPO
[Government Printing Office] a single point of free online public
access, through federal depository libraries, to a wide range of
federal databases that contain electronically stored public
information. The Gore bill would also provide public access to 
agency databases through computer networks like the Internet and
the future National Research and Education Network (NREN) for a
fee, not to exceed "the incremental cost of dissemination." The
House bill, the GPO Wide Information  Network for Data Online
(WINDO) Act of 1991, will be considered at a hearing tentatively
set for July 23 before the House Administration Committee. The 
full text of the new Senate bill, the GPO Gateway to Government
Act of 1992, is in the Congressional Record on page S7600. It was
referred to the Senate Rules and Administration Committee. 

A broad spectrum of research, educational and public interest
organizations support H.R. 2772, including the American Library
Association, the Association of Research Libraries and the 
Medical Library Association. Because it will give the general
public access to a wealth of government information, this bill
should lead to a more open government and a better informed 
electorate, aims which, I think we would all agree, are in the
best interest of this country. I would hope that members of the
network community will support this important legislation and
other similar legislation to come by supporting Bill Clinton and
Al Gore for president and vice-president.

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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: KILL THE RICH!
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:21:55 GMT

In <1992Sep28.170523.11532@watson.ibm.com> johniac@johniac.austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:

>In article <1992Sep26.203015.28098@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>|> [The discussion was about cars being more necessary here, remember?
>|> Now, if someone can't afford to live close to where they need to be,
>|> doesn't that seem to say that they need a car (given that the typical
>|> public transportation net is a joke)?  Seems like I often wind up
>|> addressing things taken out of context with you, John, and I'm not
>|> sure why that is.]

>It's not out of context.  If you need a car to get where you have to
>go, and you can't afford a car, then you can't afford to live there
>either.  What's so hard about living where you can afford to live?

Well, that all depends on whether it keeps you from going to a good
school or not, wouldn't you say?  Anyway, I think you ARE still
somewhat out of context.  You appear to be arguing with John Haugh's
stupid assertion that the next thing someone would say is that
everyone should be provided with a car.  My statement is just that.  A
statement.  With one of those little conditional phrases that John
Haugh seems to have so much trouble with, 'more necessary' -- in other
words, relatively speaking, people require cars more in the United
States in order to function within our society than people require
cars in, say, Zaire, in order to function within that society.

Now, what is your problem with that statement?

-- 
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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
From: rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (R. Keith Norwood)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:08:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.011054.9346@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.211821.21462@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (R. Keith Norwood) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct1.235033.27150@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:
>>
>>[ Complaints about tribalism deleted]
>>>
>>>I'm so sick of being treated like a criminal in the country I was born
>>>(Canada) simply because I'm white.  Boil me a melting-pot.  This
>>>"mosaic" garbage is a noble idea but is only a fine example of simple-
>>>minded idealism.  That is, itself, a crime greater than anything Hitler
>>>could have ever done.
>>
>>Sounds like a bunch of white guilt to me.  It must be tough living up to 
>>the demands of every other tribe.    Why don't you take David Duke's
>>advice and form your own whitey tribe for WASP only.
>>
>	Am I supposed to blow up into a firey red rage about this or
>	what?  The whole point is to eliminate tribalism (however
>	variously defined) within a single nation.  Why then would I
>	support white tribalism?  I consider myself above that.  What

I have no interest nor control over your reaction to my statement.  I
simply mean that instead of complaining about tribalism in others
why not form your own orginizations to express your feelings just like
D. Duke advocates. Your utopian view of nationhood doesn't deal with
reality.  Of course you could try to remove the undesirables, nazi style.
>	insults me is when I get called a racist because I don't want
>	to hear from the 900 million cultural leagues which pollute 
>	and nullify nationhood.  How can you have a nation when it's
>	only the white population that must bend to suit other groups'
>	right to exist and prosper.  Best not to have groups.  It's 

So a few minorities are controlling the white canadian populace, huh?  
Sounds shockingly similar to South africa.  Are there barren desolete 
"whitey" homelands set up by the ruling minority to deal with the white
problem?
>	best to just accept that everyone is equal to each other 
>	because they all have the same status in the nation.  Once you
>	start divvying the whole into parts, what's to say that one
>	part isn't "better" or has "more rights" than any other?
>	These are things that have and will continue to occur.  

Everybody forms alliances with others of similar interest.  The common
denominator can be race, sex, intelect, gender, culture, etc.  To condemn
those who wish to associate is asinine your gloom and doom predictions
notwithstanding.  If a nation can't or doesn't adapt to the concerns of 
the people, then maybe it's time for a revolution (as T. Jefferson would say).


Keith

Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)
Subject: Re: Bush is a Mass Murderer (was Re: Bush's Accomplishments)
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:38:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.031818.7838@tygra.Michigan.COM> jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
>In article <5532@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
>"
>"How many lives do you think should die in going after Saddam Hussein?
>"(And I'm not exclusively referring to American lives. Iraqi lives as
>"well.) How will we know we have Saddam rather than some look-alike?
>"-- 
>
>O come now, do you mean that our military is so inept that its special
>forces cannot take out *ONE MAN*?? What planet are *YOU* living on??
> 
>We could have equipped some mercenaries, or Kurds to do the job too. 

We now have further proof that not only does John Palmer take 
liberties with reports from human rights groups, but he has amusing
notions about Middle Eastern politics.   

The Kurds...boy, they'd never think of that.

-anwar
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush
From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: Quayle is more charitable than Gore
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:20:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.084826.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.033139.8908@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep29.223717.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>>     Here's an interesting little piece I found in the October 5
>>>National Review (pg. 12, col. 2):
>>>
>>>     In this corner, Al Gore, apostle of charity, compassion, and
>>>     saving the earth.  His opponent, Dan Quayle -- avatar of
>>>     Republican greed and selfishness.  Tax returns show that the 
>>>     two had similar incomes last year.  Guess which one gave more
>>>     to charity?  Of course.  The Quayles gave $5,670, or 3 per cent
>>>     of their income, while the Gores gave $1,727 -- less than 
>>>     1 per cent.  Maybe Mr. Gore was trying to strengthen the case
>>>     for federal poverty programs.
>>>
>>>It looks like Gore, the media-proclaimed moderate, is really just
>>>another hypocritical bleeding heart -- since his public rhetoric
>>>dwarfs his private generosity.
>>>
>>>     C. Perttunen
>> 
>>  
>>    By replying to your post I already gave it some value, which doesn't
>> really have any.   If this is all you have, it's really a sorry case for
>                                                            ^^^^^
>> you.  Are you a pupil in the Childcare Center of University of Louisville ?
>>
>> 
>     If you recall, it was Michael Dukakis who proposed a national
>child care/day care program.  Fortunately, he lost the election;
>hence, there is no nationally-funded child care center here at
>U of L in which I could be a pupil.  Maybe you should vote for
>Clinton/Gore -- they are proposing a "National [Insert-Any-Noun-Here]"
>program.  Then, there might be a national program to reform the
>"sorry" folks like myself.
>
>     C. Perttunen 

 
  Whom I vote for is my business.

  But I do support some kind of national child/day care program or other
reasonable solution for the families with children. Even though I don't have
my own children besides my god sons, I won't mind if the government use my
tax dollars to do some good for the future of this nation, rather than 
giving my tax money to Saddam and Ayatohla (sp ?), the Pentagon contractors,
people like Neil Bush, etc.   Don't you agree ?
  While I am at this, let me also say I will also support program of a 
real "education president" that will produce less sorry minds like J. Wagner's
and yours.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.dan-quayle,alt.politics.bush
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Quayle is more charitable than Gore
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:03:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.223717.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>,
cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

|>     Here's an interesting little piece I found in the October 5
|>National Review (pg. 12, col. 2):
|>
|>     In this corner, Al Gore, apostle of charity, compassion, and
|>     saving the earth.  His opponent, Dan Quayle -- avatar of
|>     Republican greed and selfishness.  Tax returns show that the 
|>     two had similar incomes last year.  Guess which one gave more
|>     to charity?  Of course.  The Quayles gave $5,670, or 3 per cent
|>     of their income, while the Gores gave $1,727 -- less than 
|>     1 per cent.  Maybe Mr. Gore was trying to strengthen the case
|>     for federal poverty programs.
|>
|>It looks like Gore, the media-proclaimed moderate, is really just
|>another hypocritical bleeding heart -- since his public rhetoric
|>dwarfs his private generosity.


The definition of an accountant given by Oscar Wilde was "a man who knows the
price of everything and the value of nothing".

I think that by far the bigest condemnation of the right wing "grab what you
can" society is that they see everything in terms of status and money.

These figures are merely the amounts claimed for the purposes of deduction of
tax, not the amounts genuinely given in charity. Unless we are told what the
money went on we have no idea if Quayle(e) wasd giving money to help kids
starving in the third world or buying his way into well heeled society by giving
money to operas and art galleries in the hope of meeting people through contacts
thereby gained who would fund his election campaign. 

If it is the latter the amounts should be tax deductible of course, but as a
legitimate business expense.


--

Phill Hallam-Baker
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Pro-Abortion
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 10:50:48 GMT

I suggest that all pro-abortion people start by aborting their own
children, all of them.  Then, when they have found the joy of it
they can tell the rest of the world and the rest of the world
can voluntarily join them.

			J. Wagner

P.S. Happy extinction, suckers