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From: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum)
Subject: Re: Message from Russia about Christian rock music
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:52:10 GMT
Reply-To: piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum)
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands

Rather than trying to debunk the cry of the Russian churches to keep free
of rock music (I don't agree with their opinion by the way), I would like
to share that the real problem might be the general attitude from
westerners (not only Americans) towards East European christians. I have
heard complaints from Rumanians about Western christians coming there
without regards for the traditions and attitudes of the people. If we want
to help these people we have to be careful not to offend them. I have heard
story about people coming in shorts to the major of a city to ask
permission for evangelistic meetings, something which is just not done in
Rumania. If you go to the major you must be dressed decently (i.e. what
they consider decent). Similarly people have been trying to set up western
style evangelistic campaigns which just give a cultural clash. As long as
the message is not at stake we will have to adapt to their ways. Too many
people come there without even asking the churches how to do things, and
thinking our way is the best for them also.  This has given western
christianity a bad reputation.
-- 
Piet* van Oostrum, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University,
Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands.
Telephone: +31 30 531806   Uucp:   uunet!mcsun!ruuinf!piet
Telefax:   +31 30 513791   Internet:  piet@cs.ruu.nl   (*`Pete')
From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Bob Dylan
Date: 9 Oct 1992 14:33:53 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Distribution: world
Reply-To: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu
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andrew.j.whitman writes
> The entire "Saved"
> album is one big cliche - from the title to the cover art to every
> single song inside.  And when Dylan adds to the cliches by writing
> sexist tripe like "Covenant Woman," wherein he prays for a nice
> Christian girl to stay home and bake his bread for him, my own
> offensometer (TM - thanks, Jerry) goes off the scale and I'm tempted
> to consign the whole mess to the outer darkness of my garbage can.
> This album stinks.
> 
> Fortunately there's an up side too.  Except for the stupid "Man Gave 
> Names To All The Animals," "Slow Train Coming" is uniformly good, and
> works equally well as a scathing indictment of our society and as 
> a confessional document of Dylan's own spiritual need.  And three of the
> Christian songs on the recently released "Bootleg Series" boxed set
> are superb - "Lord, Protect My Child," "Foot of Pride," and "Blind
> Willie McTell."  Dylan still does a ranting Old Testament prophet 
> imitation better than anybody else in music.  

While I have only been a casual Dylan fan, I too found "Slow Train Coming"  
to be refreshing and uplifting" while "Saved" was mundane and uninspiring.
I even think "Man Gave Names to All the Animals" is okay.  I think it was  
probably intended as a children's song, and my kids get into stuff like  
that.  I like the surprise (well, almost) sudden ending.  It painted a  
picture in my mind like, "Well, there should have been more, but sin has a  
way of cutting good things short and leaving you hanging."

I haven't had the privilege of hearing Dylan do "Lord, Protect My Child".  I  
have heard Lost Dogs' soulful cover of it.  An excellent song with lyrics  
that often drive me to prayer for my own son.  And while I can't compare to  
the original, I think Mike Roe and Terry Taylor almost "out-Dylan" Dylan on  
the vocals for this song.

> Andy Whitman
> AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
> att!cblpn!ajw  or
> ajw@cblpn.att.com

--
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From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Album Review:  Crystal Lewis:  "Remember"
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:39:08 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

With this album Crystal moves to a new label  "Metro One" whatever that is.
The album is produced by her husband Brian Ray, which is its major flaw.
The work of Scott V. Smith on the two past albums shouldn't be
underestimated.  Brian Ray is a worse producer than he is a songwriter,
and he's not a stellar songwriter by any means (although his songs are 
better than those written by his wife.)  Also, either someone did some 
incredible false-color work or else Crystal has bleached her hair blonde
for this record.

This album takes a few steps back from the cutting edge of music.  There's 
no rap, and not much of a hard-rock edge.  There is still a pronounced 
influence of Black Gospel which appears in all of Crystal's work.
Every song is written by the couple except for "Grace by Which I Stand",
a cover of a Keith Green tune.

The redeeming qualities of this album are the vocals, good as always, 
the lyrics, meaningful with much more of a devotional and doctrinal bent
than the previous albums.  Besides the Keith Green tune, the most memorable
tunes on this album are "Jesus in my life" and "Never".  The ending song
"So Come" gets quite tired. 

A recent blurb in one of the bookstore magazines noted that Crystal has 
a day job now working on the cast of some children's TV show, also
singing the theme.  (I think the show is called "Roundhouse" on
Nickelodeon).
Maybe it's just as well she's not depending on record sales for this one.
Die-hard Lewis fans will like it, Vineyard praise-and-worship fans will
probably like it, but if you are interested in up-beat music try some of 
her earlier stuff "Joy" and "Let Love In".

Steve's rating:  Two thistles on  a scale of -5 to 5.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chippen )
Subject: Re: Is Huff Related to Huff? 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:16:47 GMT

If i recall correctly Ronn Huff string man for Mws and many other ccm artists
is the brother of David and Dann huff of Giant and formerly of WhiteHeart

(Dann Huff has also played for nearly every musical artist in the world)

chip.

###############################################################################
Chip Fay                                    In a dream, in a vision of the
cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu         **        night, when deep sleep falls on men
				******      as they slumber in their beds, he 
				******      may speak in their ears and terrify
			          **	    them with warnings, to turn man 
			          **	    from wrongdoing and keep him from
					    pride.       Job 33:15-17
###############################################################################
From: U17113@uicvm.uic.edu (Don Lanier)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: J.D.Brown Convicted
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:42:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92287.094215U17113
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

One poster wondered if the artists associated with Brown's album
productions were aware of his radical views.  I too doubt that
they were.  In any case, we need be very careful about judging
anyone and the error of guilt by association.  Jesus associated
with some real characters - although I doubt he entered into
business arrangements with them.  It does point out that artists
and all of us need to choose our associates carefully.  If I
turn into an even worse rascal, I hope that will not be held
against my associates.





Don Lanier, UIC Rockford, IL 61107   U17113@UICVM
From: gray4033@iscsvax.uni.edu (Neal Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Is Huff Related to Huff? (was Re: Giant)
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:49:59 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Oct9.140429.1376@msus1.msus.edu>, 
consult5@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes: 
> I would like to let you know that the giant album time to burn is in my
> collection of tapes.  I became a giant fan even before I knew Dann and David
> Huff used to be members of Whiteheart.  Their first album is awesome.
> 'Time to Burn' is even better.  Any one searching for the record may have a 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AMEN to that!

> extremely tough time I was surprised to see on the shelves. noting the limited
> success of the first album excluding 'I'll see you in my Dreams'.  So I 
> highly 
> recomend If you see it in any form pick it up.  The cover art has a man 
> jumping
> into a pool wearing a flameing cape.

It's getting virtually impossible to find this album, but worth it
nevertheless.

> 	My Questions is  does anyone know If Dann, and David Huff of Giant
> have any relation with Dann and David Huff and the other family members in 
> David and the Giants (this includes Kellye Huff).  And has Any one heard
  David 
> and the Giants new album please give me a critique (I'm at a loss for the
> title) 

The answer is no.  They are in no way related.  The last album I heard was
_Distant_Journey_, a real sizzler/ rocker.  I saw their concert, and it was one
of my all time favorites.  It ranks right up with early Whitecross/Steve
Taylor, and the Heart Attack Tour (White Heart and Broken Heart).  David and
the Giants are better than most people realize.

                        Neal Gray(gray4033@iscsvax.uni.edu)
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Nuts!
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:32:50 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

I can't believe it!  I did it again!  Somebody stop me from putting 2
sigs on my posts before someone gets hurt!


--
Noel Estabrook          |       If somebody publishes an article in a really
noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	obscure research journal and nobody reads it,
Educational Technology  |	does it really exist?  - IgNobel Prizes
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive,alt.thrash,rec.music.industrial
From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  )
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Rez Twenty CD (XX)
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:54:56 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland


	Could someone post or e-mail me a track listing?  I'm glad to
hear that people like this one.

	- Gord, a.k.a. glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: elbel@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey Elbel)
Subject: Re: review: Adam again DAS (alt)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:10:09 GMT
Keywords: alternative

My band regularly covers "Homeboys" in concert.  People LOVE it.
I haven't got a Hammond B-3, but I wish I did so we
could play "This Band Is Our House!"

Jeff
Farewell to Juliet

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Subject: Update
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:16:49 GMT

Thanx for the mega mail about my debt situation.. that helped immensely! I
am going to try to pay in installments; pray it works out! I wrote them
today requesting it and I await their decision...

Also in need of prayer is Jason Becker.. he has ALS (also known as Lou
Gehrig's Disease) and at one time was a top-rated guitarist.  He can no
longer play guitar but can only compose on computer... he enjoys getting
mail and it'd be cool if we indulged him with letters of encouragement or
whatever (I intend to):

Jason Becker
P.O. Box 5109
Richmond, CA  94805

Thanx again.. keep the mail coming!

Phil

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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cwe34361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (cE!)
Subject: Re: who is christian E!?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:51:38 GMT

jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel) writes:

>Christian from globalWAVEsystem attends the same church I do.
>I've just recently started with this news group.  Let me 
>know if you have any specific questions and I'll pass them
>along.  I have their SLAVA demo, and if you like the one song
>from that compilation, you'll probably like the whole album.

And also:

>Hi again.  I just want to clear up any confusion I may have just
>caused.  The "Christian" that I know, who attends my church, and
>is affiliated with gWs may not be the same one you are referring
>to.  Sorry.  Nonetheless, the previous post still applies.


Let me clear up any confusion that may have arisen, for those of you who care:
1.  I am the same christian E! that Jeff knows who attends his church.
2.  Sometimes I go by just plain cE!
3.  I am also a member of globalWAVEsystem.
4.  Our independent/SLAVA demo is available if you email me.
5.  I read news and email about twice a day, but only sometimes.
6.  You can also reach one other gWs member by email:
    Christopher Buchholz -- cb23209@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
7.  Our (buy it) real album (buy it) will be (buy it) out in (buy it) January
    on (buy it) Blonde Vinyl (buy it) records.


Have a nice day.

christian E!
From: superc@atlantis.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Jonathan David Brown convicted
Date: 12 Oct 1992 20:54:08 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.ksu.ksu.edu

krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:

>In article <1992Oct9.122813.11553@sfu.ca> guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct8.190633.23574@keinstr.uucp> chaplin@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin) writes:
>>>CARL SEILER (st1t0@elroy.uh.edu) wrote:
>>>: Regardless, as a sheltered anglo-American, I am interested in carrying on 
>>>: conversations with Christians of other etnic backgrounds.  It has
>>>: 
>>>: been said that Sunday is the most segregated day in America, and I
>>>: wondered if you would care to share your feelings on the subject.
>>>
>>>I would be interested in seeing such a discussion, but not in this
>>>newsgroup.  Perhaps soc.religion.christian.
>>>
>>No, soc.religion.christian is too oppressively moderated... we really need
>>an unmoderated group for this... maybe we should create an alt.christian.
>>
>>For those who don't know, the moderator of soc.religion.christian does things
>>like embed his own unasked for commentry in other people's postings, as well
>>as censor postings. 
>>
>>===============================================================================
>>  Ta Ta For Now      | Beware of the demon Wizzy Wig, the father of 
>>        Tim          | typographic lies... 
>>===============================================================================

>I agree with this post wholeheartedly.

>-- 
>"How dare you call us [people] `you people'!"
>	-Benjamin Hooks

 I also agree. I, too, am a victim of the moderator's added comments,etc, which effectively take away from the impact of my posts. I did get a reply from him once, saying he allowed about 20 posts a day, and made it sound like he receives on the neighborhood of 50 or 60 a day..Shyaaa right!!! It's not like it's .Christia or anything like that!!! 

-- 
Shawn E. Chase            "For the eyes of the Lord range throughout 
SuperC@Matt.KSU.Edu        the earth to strengthen those whose hearts 
Dept of Industrial Engg.   are fully committed to Him" 2chron16:9 
        "No sir, I didnt like it"- Mr. Horse                  
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: young_dick@macmail2.rtsg.mot.com (Dick Young)
Subject: Is There a "Directory" of Band Names ?
Organization: Motorola, Inc. (Cellular Infrastructure)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:47:56 GMT

I am part of a Christian band, and would like to make sure that the name we
choose is NOT currently being used by anyone else out there in CCM land.

Is there any sort of "on-line directory" to which one could refer to find out
such a piece of information ?  Please E-mail me if you don't care to respond 
on the net.

Thanks.
Dick Young
Motorola
From: superc@atlantis.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: wanted: Christian music GIF's
Date: 12 Oct 1992 20:47:41 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.ksu.ksu.edu


Try cs.uwp.edu in pub/music/pictures/christian. They have some amy and petra gifs
there, as well as a scan of the cover to Our Hymns.
-- 
Shawn E. Chase            "For the eyes of the Lord range throughout 
SuperC@Matt.KSU.Edu        the earth to strengthen those whose hearts 
Dept of Industrial Engg.   are fully committed to Him" 2chron16:9 
        "No sir, I didnt like it"- Mr. Horse                  
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: asm@ee.mu.OZ.AU (andrew scott malone)
Subject: Huff family
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 11:54:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.140429.1376@msus1.msus.edu> consult5@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>
>  And if you enjoy David Huff's guitar wark you may want to check out MWS
>'Go West Young Man' and 'Change your World' He plays on both albums.  If I
>remember correctly He also plays a tad on Steven Curtis Chapman 
>'The Great Adventure'
>

Have to gently point out that it is Dann who plays the killer guitar.
Nor do you have to look as far as the albums listed above to hear some
  of his talent. He's worked with nearly every major CCM artist, and 
  even started making a name in secular music. (Appearances on Michael
  Jackson's "Bad", and even reportedly on some Madonna track...)

Is this guy permanently locked in session, or will we ever get a chance
  to see him tour Australia?


>	My Questions is  does anyone know If Dann, and David Huff of Giant
>have any relation with Dann and David Huff and the other family members in 
>David and the Giants (this includes Kellye Huff).  And has Any one heard David 
>and the Giants new album please give me a critique (I'm at a loss for the
>title) 

Question still stands. Anyone know?

(And throw in Ronn Huff - the dude who does all the string/orchestral
  arrangements for MWS.)


Andrew
asm@ee.mu.oz.au
=B>
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: Re: Prayer Request from SFC Latrobe Uni, Victoria, Australia
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:44:54 GMT
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center


Andrew Whitman has made many excellent points that should be
seriously considered!

>But you're now dealing with a situation that has degenerated to
>the point of threats and slander and name-calling and legal action, 
>I'm assuming that you'd like to resolve that in a peaceful way without 
>compromising your Christian faith. 

I should think a few SFC folk should meet with the Bi group and
see if any concensus can be formed... maybe just agree to disagree
and respect the fact of each other's existence.

I should also think praying for them is in order... very hard to
hate someone/ones you have prayed earnestly for :-)

I do disagree that "People don't choose
to be homosexuals.  They're born that way." But I certainly can't
prove that it ain't so.

Stephen
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink)
Subject: Re: Psalm 121
Organization: Turkey Hall
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:52:11 GMT

>Has anyone seen this psalm set to music?
>				John 


Haven't heard it, but I've got the lyrics.

:-)
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From: jmdeyoung@acs.harding.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Stryper
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:43:43 GMT
Reply-To: jmdeyoung@acs.harding.edu
Organization: Harding University

I have wondered about this for along time and was reminded about the other
day when my wife and I were talking about X-tian music.  The question I have
concerns a rumor I heard that Stryper once toured with Motley Crue and they 
called the tour the "Heaven and Hell Connection".  I realize this may be a
real big joke but I am curious.  If you have any responses I would love to
hear them.  Thanx.

In His Service,
Mark
From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: PC alternative to "Faithful Men"??
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:55:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <107410214@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller) writes:
>Well, I just got back from the weekly service planning meeting w/ the pastor,
>and I need some help. In short:
>
>Anybody know of a congregation-singable song to replace T. Paris' "Faithful
>Men"? 
>
>You see, I've had a bit of a bad experience w/ that particular song because of
>the rather gender-specific "for the Lord is calling/ faithful *men*".
>
>I know, I know, Twila probably really means "mankind" and all that. But when 
>you've used that song against your better judgement ...and lo and behold it's 
>*that* weekend that an old friend visits you who has been burned by a childhood
>in a *very* male-headship-women-should-just-shut-up-and-have-babies church
>culture ...and she looks at you with tears in her eves and tells you she doesn't
>want her daughter to grow up with the same spiritual self-image she grew up
>with, ...well, all of those very sensible linguistic arguments don't amount to
>horse-puckey.
>
>And the pastor wants to use it again Sunday. I said 'fine, but don't ask me to
>participate in the worship team leading it'. 
>
>The problem is, I find the tone of a *joyful, celebrative* call to *service*
>in Twila's song to be rather unique. Too many such songs are either tweak-your-
>emotions hand-wringers or pseudo-militant heroic affairs to "stir your soul".
>I want an alternative that still captures that "joyful call".
>
>Now my point is not to start a "sexism-in-CCM/headship-principle/are-we-PC/
>should-we-be flamefest. Start one if you must, but count me out....;-). Just
>post or maybe better, email me some song suggestions...
>
>Bob (between Scylla [rock] and Charybdis [hard place]) Miller
>rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com

In many cases, people are offended because they are wearing their heart 
out on their sleeve.  Your time might be better spent helping your friend 
to understand that things like this (man meaning both sexes) are unimportant.  

It was good enough for God to call men and women jointly `man'.

I'm not your pastor, but I might consider chosing someone less touchy 
to lead worship.  (I know that sounds bad, but I'm just being honest.)

Ted

-- 
"How dare you call us [people] `you people'!"
	-Benjamin Hooks

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