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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:03:45 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Aspiration
              26 Aug 1992 02:15:55 CDT from <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:15:55 CDT Tushar Samant said:
>I'd like to know exactly when k, t, and p are aspirated by Americans
>(assuming that a general statement can be made). I used to think that
>these sounds were aspirated when they were the first consonants in a
>word, e.g. "call", "part" etc. But now I think it's more complicated.

I don't think it's much more complicated.

>It seems to depend also on whether the vowel after the k, t, or p sound
>is accented, and if so whether it is the first of all accented places
>in the word, and with which other consonants it is clustered (if it
>occurs in a cluster). It might even depend on whether the consonant
>begins a morpheme in the word. All this is vague, of course.

I don't think so (except for when ktp follow s).

>Can someone tell me the rule? If not, I'll post a list of words tomorrow,
>and I'll be happy to know which of the consonants you aspirate. But if
>anyone knows the rule, I'll be - er - much obliged.

I'd like to see the list.  Of course asking native speakers about
their own pronunciation is a risky thing.

Tony H.
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:04:18 EDT
Reply-To:     Graham Toal <gtoal@ed.ac.uk>
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Private vs. Public Schools
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On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:14:52 EDT, "Rita Marie Rouvalis" <rita@EFF.ORG> wrote:
>         And as a product of public schooling from kindergarten to
> B.A., I want them to have a better education than what got passed
> off on me as such.

I really should stay out of this since it seems British state education
has little in common with the US system; however here I can assure you
that you get a much better education in state schools, at least in
Scotland.  (The English are a bit funny about their education system,
but we don't talk about them...)

All a public (private) school education gets you here is an entree into
the higher echelons of the BBC or the Civil Service.  Or MI5.

> Rita
> Who has learned more about literature in the year since I graduated than
> in all my years in college combined.

But isn't that true of *everybody*?  The most you should expect from
junior and high school is to learn to read and write english in a manner
acceptable to your peers, to master basic arithmetic, and to grasp the
scientific method.  Those are the only innate skills that have to be drilled
in; the rest is intellectual exercise that you can treat yourself to as an
adult.

G
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 21:24:10 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Quick Question (Shakespeare and ftp)
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              92 4:59 pm

	world.std.com
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:27:03 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject:      Re: gee, i can't even find a valid
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	dan     who enjoyed the first part of Jack the Ripper on CBS and then

oh *No*!  Is that the Michael Caine one?  It was truly ghastly - it was
deliberately Americanized for export.  We all hated it and for once the
public agreed with the critics who panned it too.

G
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:26:00 LCL
From:         Carol_Carmick@BEAV.INTERSOLV.COM
Subject:      Re: details, we want details!
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>But you, m'dear, have been braving the rapids!  How was life on the river?  Is
>it true that the wind *always* blows upstream?

>[still jealous]

     Dear Neal,

     Down at the river, the wind is always in your face -- especially
     in the afternoons, when it freshens in hot puffs like the breath
     of an animal.  The lower Snake forms long still pools separated
     by bracing rapids; and if you don't paddle smartly, you can find
     yourself (as one of our boats did) passing your camp as you drift
     slowly upstream an hour after lunch.

     But at cloud level, the wind always blows down-canyon.  I could
     see the clouds scud downstream and feel the wind blowing up, and
     the contradiction made me think there was a great wheel of wind
     turning in the air.  One night we sat out in lawn chairs and
     watched a series of thunderstorms tumble over Hat Peak.  The wind
     up there was so strong that each storm took only minutes to go
     from a distant grumbling in the heights to immediate booming that
     made your lungs shake.  Even when it rained on us, the parching
     wind had us dry in minutes.

     Sightings:  big horned sheep on a ridge in the sunlight; a flock
     of something (goats?) running down a vertical ravine; ospreys;
     mergansers; magpies without number; several good-sized bass; a
     glimpse of a breaching sturgeon so big it struck me speechless;
     but no rattlesnakes (I was kind of disappointed).

     I wish I were on the Snake today.  About now we'd be wiping our
     plates with crisp corn flapjacks; and greasing ourselves up to
     face the sun; and stuffing our drybags; and carrying them down to
     the boats; and sorting out who gets the kayak and who's captain
     of the paddleboat; and dipping our shocked feet into the water
     for the first time, as the sun inches down the canyon wall, and
     Rich roars "Come on!  We're burning daylight!"  After longer than
     you can ever believe it takes, we would tighten the last strap,
     and push off in a straggling flock, quickening as we entered the
     current and let it take us farther on.

     At the take-out point, we swore a mighty oath: next year a longer
     trip.  Maybe the Middle Fork of the Salmon.  Only 11 and a half
     months to go...

     Carol
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:48:57 EDT
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject: Re: FTP???
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              92 5:43 pm

> thanks, rita, but how does one "bring it in as text"?????  How
> do you get from the e-mail to the "other part" (non-net) of the
> pc?   You can tell I don't know anything about this.

	Depends on your system, Giggles.  You have to transfer it
from your login machine to the pc.  Kermit is the usual way of
doing it.  If you're running ProComm, I think they have an option
for it.

Rita
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:49:06 PDT
From:         s mandell <pwiebe@ECST.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      San Diego
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Ruth says:
=What do you think of Mojo Nixon [sometimes w/Skids Roper]?

(619) 239-KING  had an answering machine on it last time I checked,
oh, 3 or so years ago, where you could leave messages for Elvis, or
alternatively, Mojo.

This is a kinda nice circle we've gone in, because now the subject
line matches:  That phone number is in San Diego (where I think
Mojo got his start?).

Steph
ps  yes, it's fun stuff
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:03:29 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Ubi Sunt?
              28 Aug 1992 22:51:00 EDT from <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>

>BRAD BABY!  I just *knew* you were here somewhere.

    Suck a turd, Jaguar-breath.

    :-<}  (Can you tell I've been surfing Usenet?)
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:02:32 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: i'm a poet and didn't know it
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              31 Aug 1992 16:38:49 MED from <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>

On Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:38:49 MED Graham Toal said:
>but your feet show it - they're long, fellow.

haven't heard that since about fifth grade.....thank God.....

    dan
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:22:39 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Little pitchers
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Posted on 25 Aug 1992 at 09:42:10 by Rita Marie Rouvalis
> such activity.  Do I believe they're reading my e-mail?  If they
> have the patience to go through the 200 or so messages I get a day
> (not all of them words-l by a long stretch), they deserve a raise.

That's how I felt when my phone was tapped.

Karen
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 08:58:24 EDT
From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Snuff Films
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>Well I <never did in all my life!>

yeah. sure. :-)
>

>G
>PS Say Jenna, what's the story with the school credits etc?  Did your
>uncle/lawyer ever sort it out properly?  I take it *something* happened
>or you wouldn't be back in university...

well, thanks for asking Graham. I didn't think anyone read my
postings anymore.

I havn't gotten it all straightened out yet, but i'm in school
on a "continuing Education" basis, which means that i'm not trying to
finish my degree yet, but the credits do count towards that end.
I took some advice that Leah gave me and am going to try and straighten
things out from Within the system.  I went to my first class on tuesday
and felt rather old.  The professor is an old chum of mine from
when we were undergrads together...she was a few years older than I
and graduated when i was about a sophomore...but...now she's a teacher and
i'm just a cog in the wheel of science...kinda depressing.

jenna "college co-ed once again"
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:06:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Where is Ruth Who is She?
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> N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith) writes:
> > I believe very strongly that education should be completely free,
> > from kindergarten through at least the 12th grade.  Is this too
> > much to ask for?
>
> Yes, as long as teachers demand to be paid.
>
> When Mechanic Sandy doesn't know how to fix cars and Mechanic Chris
> does, I take my car with a bad transmission to Chris instead of
> trying to teach Sandy.  Since only Chris works on my car I don't pay
> Sandy.  Eventually Sandy learns how to fix cars or goes out of business.
> Crazy people like myself think this should apply to schools, too.
> --karsten
>
Excuse me, but this is a really *stupid* response to my statement.
If you thought I meant that money should not be available to provide
education, then I must not be <making myself clear>....  Does this
even deserve a response?
--ggs (having warned everyone I was in a bitchy mood....)
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:02:00 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject: Re: Ribbit...ribbit...ribbit...
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	But you have already said it sixteen times with no reaction from me. One
	should make claims which are either tested and found true or not tested
	at all.

oh, but the deafening silence speaks volumes.

G
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:11:02 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Schoolyard taunts (Was Love Potion Number Nine)
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> > John, you have my sympathy, you truly do.  Let's go to Dairy Queen and get
> > a *large* chocolate chip cookie dough breeze - want to?  Aw, what the
> > heck, make it a *blizzard*
>
> Doris,
>
> Don't the cookie dough pellets remind you of what a goat would leave
> behind if he were a cookie factory?
> -abh

Thanks, Anne, the goat story is going to be a really big help to my
diet. :-)
ndh
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:40:51 EDT
From:         Rashmi Murthy <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (57)
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              Aug 31, 92 3:13 pm

> 5) James Lee Burke (Rashmi)

Author of the book that Torkel is translating into Swedish.  I just finished
reading his _A morning for the Flamingos_.  He writes contemporary detective
fiction set in Cajun country (Louisiana) mainly.

> 	27) Douglas Adams/Molly Ivins (Graham/Rashmi)
>
> Rashmi asked for the meaning of boffo.  There are two, depending on
> where she first heard the word.  There's the real meaning, and the
> way Douglas Adams uses it.

Do you remember which one?  I don't recall the word from Douglas Adams.
Molly Ivins is a newspaper columnist from Texas, and lampoons  politicians of
all stripes.  Anne Foster Harwell may know more about her.

rashmi
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:26:36 EDT
From:         Theresa Wild <TWILD@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      clambake photos

Rashmi,

   I have an extra patio shot if you'd like it, just send me your
address and it will be in the mail.  Didn't get too many others, too
busy watching the baby.


 Theresa
 twild@uriacc.uri.edu
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:41:47 PDT
From:         s mandell <pwiebe@ECST.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      ducky St. George
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=Every day when I Make my way to the tubby, I find a little fellow
=who's cute and yellow and chubby <rub-a-dub-dubby>...

Hmm... Just wondering what the implications are of having
a rubber <ducky>.

S
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:30:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: One Student's Opinion
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> Don't ask me to explain why we're still in the dark ages for registration.
> As ggs would say, "It is not for me to say".
>
> --- Joan Boorstein (boorstein%umbsky.dnet@ns.umb.edu)

It's nice to be remembered.
--ggs (who has become an expert at TRACS telephonic registration
system and loves it....  if I don't like a student in my class, I
can *zap* him/her in a second....)
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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
Subject: Re: Gleanings (57)
Reply-To: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 04:41:39 GMT


In a previous article, karsten@netcom.com (karsten) says:

>> I I also try to wind up in the gleanings sometimes...
>(whispering)
>Isn't this a violation of some unspoken rule?
(not bothering to whisper) I never asked....sometimes it's better not to
know....
>
>(I, of course, would never dream of such deviousness...)
Of course <not>, while deviousness seems to be my middle name, or at least
I seem to be quite capable of it....  Meanwhile, my mother thinks my middle
name is Marie - silly mother....


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From: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
Subject: Re: Lint-free cloths
Reply-To: ak743@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doretta Hanschka)
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:51:35 GMT


In a previous article, ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU (Dan Lester) says:

>>  Don't forget Connecticut - we had a ton of that stuff [used needles -
>>cheap!] last summer, and a bit more this year.
>   another reason we only went to NH, MA, RI on our clamtrip i guess....
>
>thanks for the reminder...
>
  You're welcome.  Another reason for going to RI was the traffic in CT - 
especially along the shore and in the southwest corner.  The state made the
top ten list of busiest roads.  Massachussetts was behind us, and New Jersey
was ahead.  The worst was Washington D.C. by a fair margin; it's a good thing
no one goes  to the beach in the District of Columbia....

-- 
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:01:29 EDT
From:         Tony Harminc <TONY@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Subject:      Re: Ausbrook's lawschool
              27 Aug 1992 04:18:26 MED from <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>

On Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:18:26 MED Graham Toal said:
>: nature over the years.  It sounds about as offensive to me now as Brit does.
>
>What's this 'Brit' crap, Canuck?
>
>G "That's "Hey Jock *Sir* to you, mush!"

Canuck is a curious term.  I think of it (when I do think of it) as
about on a par with Yank - mildly nasty, but unlike Yank no one
actually ever says it.

But historically Canuck seems to have been a friendly term.  Who can
forget (:-)) Johnny Canuck, the WWII comic book hero who single
handedly defeated Hitler so many times ?

Tony (born a Brit (well, a Slovak/Hungarian/English/Scottish/mongrel),
      still a Brit.  And Canadian too for the last 17 years) H.
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:17:31 EDT
From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Modems excite me...
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> And the settings in the dial directory are the same as the ones when you're
> not in the dial directory?  The dial directory knows the right com port etc?

It should; I didn't change anything.

Karen
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:25:19 CDT
From:         Tushar Samant <tushar@ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TGTABagnes2

>7Tushar!! Your're back.

This is what worries me. I have been posting like nobody's business, but
very few of them have showed up.

If you are forced to read a clump of outdated postings from me later on,
don't blame me. Delete and forget.

tushar
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:16:00 EDT
From:         Gilbert Smith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gleanings (56)
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> On Mon, 24 Aug 1992 17:39:00 EDT Gilbert Smith said:
> >handsome young stud (similar to -ggs in appearance), backing up
> >and asking "Pardon me, are those Bugle Boy jeans?"  When the stud
> >confirms that they are, the lovely young lady says "Thank you"
> >and speeds off burning rubber.  Every man's fantasy.
>
>    Wrong!   The fantasy would NOT have her speeding off....but asking
> him to climb into her sports car as she casually unbuttons her blouse
> to reveal her heaving bosom.....etc...etc...etc....
>
>    dan

WRONG AGAIN!!  The fantasy is: he climbs into her sports car and
does his thing, and *then* she speeds off burning rubber, leaving
him beside the road.  Since, as someone so aptly noted recently
somewhere,  "Men do not pay women for sex.  Men pay women to leave
after sex."
--ggs
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Andrew
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:49:46 GMT


Hi, Gang,

Some of you have expressed concern about Andrew and me: we're definitely
going to be in bed together, but I hope there are no untoward consequences.
All recommended precautions have been followed, so please give us some time
to be alone... Phone lines are likely to be disrupted, as well as power
supply, so this may be my last post for a while.  

We live reasonably well inland (7 miles or so)and not in any flood zone.

--bayla
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Date: 2 Sep 1992 04:34:04 GMT
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In a previous article, karsten@netcom.com (karsten) says:

>In honor of the forthcoming Desert Storm II the T-shirts
>could be sand colored.
	Or desert camo?  Just for kicks?:-)  I already own the 
coordinating boonie hat....
>
>(What is the color of an electron?)
I didn't know electrons came in colors.  Now quarks, on the other
particle accellerator....  And they come in flavours too!   Cherry and
lime and blue raspberry!<slurp>  Quark Slushies, whoda thunk it?

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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:08:26 EDT
From:         EL406041@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject:      Re: Bumper Stickers
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Posted on 1 Sep 1992 at 02:31:52 by karsten
>(Don't get me started on the elimination of "tracking" in schools.

My school *was* tracked, and I hated it--I cuoldn't take anything pragmatic
like typing or home ec.  Let alone auto shop, which wasn't open to women
in those days and no way would I have been first. (I've changed.)

Karen
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: One Student's Opinion
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              28 Aug 1992 14:14:17 CDT from <aharwell@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU>

On Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:14:17 CDT Bandwidth Pig said:
>I remember, when I was a little kid, walking barefoot uphill through 10 miles
>of waist deep snow to get to school. You kids today have it way too easy.
>Lines! At least they have shoes to stand in line with.

BFD, abh.....in Iowa back in the olden days....and you KNOW i'm older than
you.....it was 14 miles, but it was uphill BOTH ways....and the snow
was often up to our armpits....

But I bet you wiimps at least had socks and long pants....we just had
our underwear which was so worn it had no elastic left....and is still
being retained until it is REALLY lintfree enough to use on my monitor.

dan