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From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: difference between quarterstaff and jo?
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:20:43 GMT

d90eridy@odalix.ida.liu.se (Erik Dyrelius) writes:
>stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:
>
>>A quarterstaff is typically about 6 feet long whereas a jo is
>>about 4.5 feet long.  
>
>I just measures my jo and it is only 50"=4.2 feet. I think (if I remember
>correctly) that the idea was that it should be a bit longer than the
>katana which it was designed to be used against and since a bokto (bokken)
>is about 40" that fits. (I havent got a katana to compare with)

   
    You're arguing about jo's with a man named "Stave" ??  ;-)

    Your "jo" is the one used in traditional jodo, 50.25" long, and
    your explanation of why seems perfectly reasonable - longer than the
    katana, but otherwise as short (and therefore as light) as possible.

    Joel's "jo" is the one used in Aikido, and is (most often) 54" long.  
    (The rule is that it should just fit under your armpit.)
    The movements of the jo in Aikido are based mostly on the spear 
    (with possibly some naginata thrown in), not on jodo/jojutsu movements, 
    so the aikijo is longer --

      -- Ted --

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  Ted Camus                          Box 1910 CS Dept 
  tac@cs.brown.edu                   Brown University
  tac@browncs.BITNET                 Providence, RI 02912
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: What/Where is Sinawali?
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:15:46 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1993Jan25.103900.21082@yang.earlham.edu>, youngjo@yang.earlham.edu writes:
:Does anybody know what Sinawali(sp?) is?
:I've heard it's a brazilian martial art, and I think it
:might be the style used in the movie "The Mighty Quinn".
:
:Apparently, it uses a lot of spinning techniques from the ground, and
:looks like a cross between northern-style kung fu and breakdancing.
:

It sounds like you're talking about Capoeira, which is the only
Brazilian martial art I know of. They practice to musics, and it is
almost all kicking and spinning, hands on the ground a lot for
balance. 
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From: dcthomas@.vnet.ibm.com (Dave Thomas)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 08:32:29 EST
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Openings.
Organization: IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.1

In <1993Jan24.081525.12201@craycos.com> Steve Gombosi writes:
>Or, as Miyamoto Musashi would have put it, "sen-sen-no-sen".
>
>Steve

Nishiyama sensei teaches it as "sen, go no sen", where he differentiates
the pre-emptive strike from the strike to the hole created in the
opponents defenses while the opponent is attacking. Is this what you
are referring to? Just curious,

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From: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Foolish words
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:34:59 GMT
Organization: Vallen Software

In article <012593103122dude@losers.hacktic.nl>, dude@losers.hacktic.nl (Dude) says most sayishly:
>the door, leaving me with the knifeman and another guy. I started talking to
>the knifeman: "hey, put away the knife, you're scaring people". The other

This is NOT smart in some situations.  Recall the incident when it was
New YEars Eve, and some guys grabbed some guns and started shooting them
in the air, "Yeehaw, yay", etc.  Some total fool walks up to them & says
"Hey guys, please put the guns away, ok?" really politely, etc.  So the
armed men blow him away.  Personally, if someone with a gun or knife
were yelling "I'm not gonna pay" or something, I wouldn't say a THING
unless they spoke to me.  But, on the other hand, if they seem nervous
and a little unaggressive, then maybe talk to them to get them to chill
out.  But when some big, burly evil looking guy pulls out a knife,
shhhh. :)

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From: lcleary@nba19.med.uth.tmc.edu (Len Cleary)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Interdisciplinary Seminar in Houston -- Jay, Presas, Dillman
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:20:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ. Texas Medical School Houston

Thought the erudite readers of this newsgroup might be interested in hearing
about a Seminar/Training Camp led by Masters of three different specialties:

Wally Jay -- Grand Master Small Circle Ju-Jitsu
              Black Belt Hall of Fame (1969,1990)
Remy Presas -- Grand Master Filipino Modern Arnis (stick fighting)
                Black Belt Hall of Fame (1992)
George Dillman -- Master Ryukyu Kempo (pressure point techniques)

The seminar organizer is Al Garza, himself a Master of American TKD, 6 time
Texas Instructor of the year and a Golden Greek Award recipient (Best All
Around Player).

All ranks, systems and styles are welcome (I'm a beginner in TKD myself).

When:          Saturday, February 27, 1993
Location:      Hobby Airport Hilton, 8181 Airport Blvd, Houston TX
Cost:          $75 ($99 after Feb. 13)

For additional information call 713-332-5425

Schedule:

9:00  - 10:30 AM           Registration
10:30 - 12:00 PM           Session with First Master
12:00 - 1:00               Lunch Break
1:00  - 2:30               Session with Second Master
2:30  - 3:00               Break
3:00  - 4:30               Session with Third Master
4:30  - 5:00               Break
5:00  - 6:00               Discussion with all Three Masters
6:00  - 7:00               Photo Session
8:00  -  ?                 Dinner with the Masters
                           (cost of dinner is $22)


Cheers,

Len Cleary
lcleary@nba19.med.uth.tmc.edu
From: chris@actrix.gen.nz (Chris Double)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Books, was Re: No-Mind
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:04:10 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1993Jan22.160743.5191@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
		[Comments about Way of The Peacefull Warrior]
> 	All in all, the book was worth reading.  The ideas are basically good
> 	IMO, but I find it almost impossible to believe that this is a true
> 	autobiographical account or that his ideas were not cannibalized from 
> 	other sources.  But who knows, maybe it is and maybe they are.  The
> 	point is irrelevant when speaking to the merits of the ideas per se.

I think at the beginning of the book, Dan Millman states that it is
a work of fiction, based upon his experiences in life.

Regards,

Chris Double.
chris@actrix.gen.nz
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: What in the world...
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:14:41 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1993Jan23.024119.2215@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>In article <gate.RFusXB1w165w@omega.oche.de> btv@omega.oche.de (Fitos Imre) writes:
>>osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>>
>>>       Don't I now?  You BET I do!  Why in hell do you think I have such
>>>       an intense terror/pleasure relationship with them?  They scare the
>>>       living shit out of me and I absolutely LOVE it.  Follow-ups to
>>>       alt.sex.bondage.kunoichi.hubba-hubba.
>>>>
>>>>And why not.  I used to know a few and some were quite attractive.
>>>
>>>       Ayuh.  Scary, ain't it?
>>
>>Yeah, especially when knocked out while foreplay...Don't laugh!
>	
>	Me??  LAUGH?  About THIS???   NEVER!!!!
>
>>Fitos Imre, 
>
>	What's this?!  ANOTHER Hungarian??!  Yo SOG, looks like we've got
>	us some company!

Sure...who but a Hungarian would post obsessively on a thread like this?

Actually, I've seen cave paintings which proved *conclusively* that all
the martial arts *really* stem from ancient Magyar exercises designed
to cure hangovers. Not only that but Taiji was introduced (along with
Taoism itself), by an itinerant Hungarian encyclopedia salesman named 
Lazlo Szekely. Unfortunately, the Chinese found that name impossible to
pronounce correctly - leaving us with the modern corruption "Lao Tse".
Oh yeah...Buddhism is Hungarian, too. It's obvious: Buda-ism, not that
I'd want to make a Pest of myself by mentioning it.


Steve
Organization: Sponsored account, Accounts, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:55:48 -0500 
From: Stephen_Y._Chan@transarc.com
Subject: Re: Mortal danger?
	<1jv6p3$r2i@agate.berkeley.edu>

robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
> However, I can not avoid thinking from time to time of the warrior culture from
> which a number of our present day arts descended.  Unless I've been grossly 
> misled, dishonor was widely considered a fate worse than death, and the idea
> of "mortal insult" not at all alien in feudal Japan.
> 
> Amongst our own forebears, the idea of "live free or die" had a certain 
> amount of appeal.  And in other circles, jihad is a compelling reason to 
> endanger life and limb.
> 
> So, while it goes without saying that violence should only be entered in 
> grave extreme, just what exactly constitutes circumstances of sufficient 
> gravity seems to be open for interpretation.

	I agree entirely with Michael.

	There are all kinds of pleasant cliches like "violence is the last
resort of the incompetent", or sentiments like one should only use
violence when mortal danger is apparent.
	They are extremely idealistic, just like "death before
dishonor" is very idealistic. But just adopting them because someone else
says they are right is a little too sheeplike (IMNSHO).

	It seems to me that when you are only responsible for
yourself, then you can be as humble as you damn well please. But if
you are responsible for your family, your friends, your school, your
style, whatever, then your personal humility may turn into some kind
of communal shame or embarassment. All kinds of hairy concepts like
honor and duty get thrown into the decision process. While they may
seem empty and stupid to yourself, others may not feel the same way.
Like they say, no man is an island.

	On the other hand, when you are responsible for others, your
displays of "bravery" or "honor" may end up to embarrass your group
more than the appropriate display of humility.

	The important thing is to _THINK_ - maybe in your situation,
putting yourself at physical risk is necessary (even though you aren't
in "mortal danger"). But maybe it's not. You have to decide for
yourself whether or not its really worth it.

	As I see it, a martial artist takes calculated risks.
	A violent moron takes unnecessary risks.

	But I agree with the other folks in that I think that you are
mistaken if you will only stand up to someone when you are "tougher".
Instead of thinking "what is the Right Thing(tm) to do?", you are
thinking "What can I get away with?"
	In my book, that's just petty opportunism. It may be clever,
but its not particular mature or wise. Maybe you feel differently -
who knows, maybe someday I'll feel differently too.

	Stephen
From: dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu Krap... BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA...
Keywords: Barf, puke, VomitSludge(tm), poor casting, poor writing, AAAAAACK!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:26:09 GMT

PU

D

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From: jo.lavoy%theweb@meaddata.com (Jo Lavoy) 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: RE: THE MEANING BEHIND ST
Date: 22 Jan 93 06:13:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Web BBS 1-513-436-9011 6 Lines 1200 News groups 50,000 files!
Reply-To: jo.lavoy%theweb@meaddata.com (Jo Lavoy) 

HapSool ryu ninjutsu?  What?  There's no such thing.  That sounds
Chinese, actually (the "HapSool" part).   Ninjutsu is Japanese and dates
back about 2,000 years.
                                                                                             
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: mholden@bcarh786.bnr.ca (Mark Holden)
Subject: Re: difference between quarterstaff and jo?
Reply-To: mholden@bcarh786.bnr.ca (Mark Holden)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:33:01 GMT

In article <C1697x.35r@apollo.hp.com>, stave@apollo.hp.com (Joel H. Stave) writes:|> In article <C1681q.Ln6@math.uwaterloo.ca>, gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca

|> A quarterstaff is typically about 6 feet long whereas a jo is
|> about 4.5 feet long.  The bo, however is about the same size as
|> a quarterstaff.           ^^^
|> 

This brought something to mind (for you Star Trek fans out there). There
was one episode of the "Next Generation" where Riker and his father 
get into a match of "Ambo Jitsu" (spelling?), which his father claimed as the
ultimate of the martial arts. They used some futuristic bo or something
(blinking lights, made low humming sounds as it was swung, etc), and their 
eyes were shielded. 

Does this art have any existence, or is it just some futuristic decendent
of current art forms (ie., jo-jitsu)?

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: SEALs
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:26:06 GMT

maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier) writes:
>Thanks for the posts.  I've decided that USA Today didn't know what they
>were talking about.  Anyway, thanks for responding.

The DEA (U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration) fields some
pretty funky looking agents when they take down a big lab.  With
their black Nomex hoods, SMGs, full body armor, and SIG
sidearms, they look very "tactical."  I can see how someone
could mistake them for SEALs.
--
Richard A. Drury                    National Institutes of Health
drury@helix.nih.gov                 31/B3C27, Bethesda, MD, USA
From: npalmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nicholas P Palmer)
Subject: RAVEN and TV shows (was Re: Space Rangers
Keywords: raven, meeks, space rangers
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:25:00 GMT


Anyone know anything about Jeffrey Meeks, the star of the TV show RAVEN?
Any idea on what/ how long he's studied martial arts?

Shade
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: TKD rule survey
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:44:08 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan27.192152.13844@wdl.loral.com> tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim Ryan) writes:
>In article <C1In3I.8K7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>> 2.  Push kick to opponent's butt to stop his back side kick (aka.
>>     spinning side kick, dui yup chagi, etc.).  Is this an illegal
>>     strike to the back or a legal jamming action?
>
>Any kick to the back area is illegal and the other opponent 
>(after 1 warning) would get a point.

Once I was casually observing some sparring by two members of the boxing team 
(I was waiting for T'ai Chi hours to start).  All of a sudden, one of the 
guys is on the mat doing pushups.  I was confused.  I asked one of the coaches
what was the deal.  Coach said, "he turned his back to his opponent; better
he does pushups now than get hit in the back of the head later."

Of course, this has nothing to do with TKD, but I thought it was interesting.


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From: youngjo@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: What/Where is Sinawali?
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:39:00 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Does anybody know what Sinawali(sp?) is?
I've heard it's a brazilian martial art, and I think it
might be the style used in the movie "The Mighty Quinn".

Apparently, it uses a lot of spinning techniques from the ground, and
looks like a cross between northern-style kung fu and breakdancing.

Does anyone practice it, or know where it's taught?  It looks like
it could be a great complement to "hard" style linear arts.

Thanks!
John Young
YOUNGJO@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.misc
Subject: Are YOU outside the USA??
From: (Ben Hadden)
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:15:22 -0600
Followup-To: rec.misc
Distribution: world

I like collecting stamps.  My goal is to try and collect one stamp, which
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please contact me and I'll let you know if you can help. 
Thanks!!    Please e-mail!!   "Benjamin Hadden" <BHADDEN@nic.gac.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.misc
Subject: MATCHBOOKS, PLEASE!!
From: (D. Lunde)
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:55:03 -0600
Followup-To: rec.misc
Distribution: world

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From: dlytle@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (Don Lytle)
Newsgroups: rec.misc
Subject: The Association for the Study of Play conference
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:43:31 GMT
Reply-To: dlytle@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: oavax.csuchico.edu


                 *****   ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS   *****

                             TASP 1993 - St. Paul, MN
                     The Association for the Study of Play
      April 22 - 24, 1993 * The St. Paul Hotel * St. Paul, Minnesota

   The Association For The Study of Play (TASP) will hold its 1993 annual meetings in St. Paul, Minnesota.  The conference will begin Thursday and continue   until Saturday, April 24. There will be featured speakers, playshops, and forums for the discussion and presentation of   research papers on all aspects of play research, theory, performance and behavior.
   The TASP conferences traditionally have provided  a  mechanism by  which  researchers in diverse fields have the opportunity to share ideas  and  interact  in  a friendly and collegial atmosphere.
   Papers and proposals for panel sessions or tutorials related to the broad  study of play are invited.  Sessions include, but are not limited to:
 - Humor, laughter
 - Computer and cyperspace play
 - Folklore
 - Children's play behavior
 - Cross-cultural play
 - Body work and play art
 - Performance 
 - Anthropology of festive play
 - Sport
 - Literary playfulness

Deadline for submission of abstracts is February 5, 1993.

Send abstracts (100 word maximum), audio-visual needs, and registration fees  ($60 professional and $20 student made payable to TASP) to:

Dr. Don Lytle
Department of Physical Education
California State University, Chico  95929-0330. 
Bitnet/E-Mail: DLYTLE@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU; FAX: 916 898-4932; 
Phone: {916} 898-6617 or 898-6373 {message}
From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel)
Newsgroups: rec.misc
Subject: New listserv group - LymeNet
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:54:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

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Newsgroups: rec.misc
Subject: Are YOU in a foreign country??
From: (B. Hadden)
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:02:17 -0600
Followup-To: rec.misc
Distribution: world

I like collecting stamps.  My goal is to try and collect one stamp, which
has never been used, from every country in the world. If you are in a
foreign land, please contact me and I'll let you know if you can help. 
Thanks!!  
Please e-mail at--> BHADDEN@nic.gac.edu
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: anti's
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:18:53 CST
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1993Jan26.080808.11590@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   scott@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Larry Scott) writes:
 
>their attempt to kill our hunting. Quite the contrary. Two guys from
>one of the other burned blinds joined me and we just hid in the
>willows and weeds on the shore next to my still-smoldering blind.
>Three of us and Hershey, (the Chocolate-Mallard-Muncher), hiding in
>the weeds.... and we got our 9-bird limit by 10:30. Without doubt, one
>of the best decoying days I've ever seen.
 
So that's the secret of decoying geese!  Burn your blind to the ground.
I never would have suspected that geese like to warm up next to a fire!
 
 
Seriously, I hope ya'll nail those bastards.
 
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