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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Subject: Re: Orioles/Jays --> Game 4
Summary: argh!, results, orioles, blue jays 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: O's/Jay's Game 4 Highlights
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:26:00 GMT

In article <19094@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, mkipp@ems.cdc.com writes...
> 
>  Could someone please periodically post the score/highlights of today's
> O's/Jay's Game while it is in progress?

Unfortunately, the Jays win 4-2.  Rhodes pitched well, but Oates left him
in too long.  Carter hit a homer for the Jays, and Glenn Davis tied it up in
the second.  Toronto picked up a run on a single by Knorr, who drove in
Gruber who reached on a triple (which should have been scored a three-base
error on Devereaux--Devo's played a great CF this year, but occasionally
he has lapses-this was one of them).  Baltimore tied it up on a sac fly
by Milligan in the 7th.  

The Blue Jays had 2nd and 3rd with 1 out in the seventh, but Rhodes got out
of it by getting Knorr to pop up and Lee to ground out.  I thought Oates
would yank Rhodes for the 8th, unfortunately, he left him in long
enough for him to give up a leadoff single to Devon White and the game-winning
double to Alomar.  Frohwirth mopped up, giving up a sac fly to Winfield. 
Henke came on for the save.

It's unfortunate.  While at least the O's didn't lose ground, I figured 
that if we won the Morris-Mills and Key-Big Blast Ben matchups, we'd be
looking at first place now... Unfortunately, we somehow 
managed to lose to both Linton and Todd 'Infield Fly' Stottlemyre.  I 
certainly do hope that this Linton guy doesn't turn into Mauro Gozzo, 1992
version... (Remember him? Went about 6-0 in September of '89, never seen or
heard from since!)

> 
>  Also, who do the Jays play in the near future.  The O's travel to KC for
> a 3 game series this weekend, then are home for 9 games againist the M's
> Oakland and California.

Good news for O's fans.  The Jays play the red-hot (!!!) Cleveland Indians
this weekend (although they miss Nagy--he pitches tonight against the Rocket)
and then play Milwaukee, Chicago, and Minnesota for something like the next
18 games (don't have a schedule handy--just quoting the radio broadcast).  
About time--the Jays seemed to spend the entire month of July playing 
California and Seattle :-) :-) 

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Sign Cal Now!!!                     Bruce 'Slower than Sam Horn' Hasch
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Date: Thursday, 13 Aug 1992 12:50:52 EDT
From: Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: infield fly II ?

A ball hit into the outfield can still be ruled an infield fly
by an umpire. The main question when it comes to whether a
fly ball should be called an infield fly is whether or not an
infielder can make a reasonable play on the ball. If an infielder
can make the catch while facing the plate, then this will almost
always be called an infield fly (depends on whether the umpire
feels, in the particular situation, whether an infield fly
should be called). Far more often than not, an infield fly will
be called if an infielder can make a catch while facing the
plate. Also, if the umpire feels that the fielder could have
made a catch with his back to the infield with reasonable
effort, an infield fly can be called.

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From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Subject: Birthdays
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:44:16 GMT

Baseball Birthdays

August 17
John "Boog" Powell, 1941
Rudy York, 1913
Diego Segui, 1938
Jim Davenport, 1933
Clell Laverne "Butch" Hobson, 1951
Vern Bickford, 1920
Skip Lockwood, 1946
Bill Landrum, 1957
Alex Cole, 1965
Brad Wellman, 1959

Also: Ray Chapman dies, 1920

--Steve
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Tom Seaver for President
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:50:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: osf.1992Aug12.165042.28432
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <12AUG92.14490558@vax.clarku.edu>, hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
|> Tom Seaver is a great speechmaker.  He should run for President.
|> How about Jerry Koosman as V.P.?  (Where *is* Kooz nowadays?)


  Well, I don't know about President (after all, Reagan was a good speech
  maker, too!), but for the rec.sport.baseball Hall Of Fame - YES!!!

-Ron

|> 
|> Heather
|> Jack Clark University (official name change pending)
|> HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:53:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Changed allegiance (Was: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

as stated in an earlier post:

>Let's correct this impression right now:  there are a substantial number
>of disenfranchised Giants fans, as far as this voting-for-a-stadium
>business is concerned.  Any Giants fans in the East Bay, Marin, or Santa
>Cruz counties, not to mention East of Contra Costa, had no chance to
>vote at all.  The votes were in Santa Clara, San Francisco (twice), and
>San Jose.  Some 3-4 million other folks never got a chance.

Not to mention San Mateo county which a large chunck of the area between
San Francisco and San Jose.  There is a large number of fans in this county
and none were ever given the chance to vote on any measure.

Politics are what's forcing the Giants out.  If the bay area counties could
get together, instead of one city or county at a time, things may be 
different.  Even a publicly funded stadium might pass if the cost were to
be split among the various counties.

Just my penny's worth...
:
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mets draft protection
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:17:28 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Boo!

In <1992Aug19.202547.26052@leland.Stanford.EDU> paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:

>I was just wondering what the folks on the net think the New York Mets are going to do about the expansion draft.  I'm a Mets fan living in the Bay Area (so I'll never get to see them again after this year.)  I haven't been able to follow much of their minor leagues, but I see their main problem being who should they bother to protect rather then which 15.

>If I had to guess, I would say they will definitley protect:

>	Magadan, Hundley, Johnson, Bonilla
>	Gooden, Fernandez, Saberhagen, Schourek, Young, Franco

>Cone is a free agent, as are Bass and Randolph.  I'm not sure who else.
>They may have to protect Schofield just to make sure they have a shortstop next season.

I think - though I'm not sure - that Schofield and Magadan are both free agents

I hope that they do not protect Gooden - if the Marlins want to take a $5
million dollar salary with a bad arm who hasn't been more than a decent pitcher
in 5 years, let them take him!\

I hope they'll protect Donnels.  I'm pretty sure they'll protect Jeromy Burnitz
and Brook Fordyce.  They'll probably think about protecting Dave Telgheder,
Tom Wegmann, Eric Hillman, John Johnstone, Julian Vasquez and Jose Martinez  
(i'm not sure which of these doesn't need protection).

Among the other veterans - I suspect they will protect Eddie Murray, though 
I wouldn't.  I doubt they'll protect Coleman.

If I had to predict who they'll protect, I'd list Hundley, Johnson, Bonilla,
Fernandez, Schourek, Saberhagen, Young, Franco, Murray, Donnels,
Fordyce, Burnitz, and 3 of the pitchers I listed 2 paragraphs ago.

Greg 
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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Jeff Brantley sucks!!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:08:40 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:

>Brantley does not suck.  He is having an off year.  It happens.  Dumping him
>now would be a mistake because his trade value is low.  Just look at what some
>other 'washed up' Giants are doing:

>o Lefferts in SD is an allstar with a nice record
>o After giving up on M. Davis he won a Cy Young for SD
>o Mulholland is a good pitcher for Phi and has no-hit the Giants.
>o Dennis Cook has a respectable ERA in Cleveland

I agree with both postings.  Brantley sucks AND he should not be traded.

Jeff was pretty effective in the latter half of 1990, with 19
saves after Bedrock Bedrosian didn't pan out.  Since then, he has
been very ineffective.  He has not had the control necessary for
a closing reliever, or any major league pitcher for that matter.

He would have no value in trade right now, so why trade him?  If
necessary, send him down to the minors.  Maybe with another coach
he will get his stuff back.


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From: nsg@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: URGENT: Need Braves Schedule for 8/30,31
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:20:29 GMT
Reply-To: nsg@hwperform.austin.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM Austin, TX


Hi. I'll be travelling through Atlanta on the 30th and 31st of
August and I'm hoping to catch a Bravo's game if they are in town.
From what I understand, most games are sold out so I may have to
get tickets from a scalper, which isn't a big deal. I can't seems
to find out if they are in town on those days and what times the
games are at. If anyone has the schedule, I'd appreciate that info.
Thanks.

N. Gupte
nsg@hwperform.austin.ibm.com
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From: mfrancis@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Dick Williams as Manager of the Padres?!?!?
Reply-To: mfrancis@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:23:11 GMT

In a previous article, Dave DeMers muses about what might have been
if Riddoch were fired earlier and Dick Williams were to take his place.
I hope you were kidding, Dave!!!  If memory serves me right, (and it
just might be slightly fractured in this case) Williams seemed to know
how to handle talent on the field but didn't he run into problems
during his previous stint with the Padres?  If memory serves me right,
he was the manager of the team that went to the World Series, right?

I think there were complaints about his managerial style, perhaps
too dictatorial?  Perhaps too confrontational?  But then again,
perhaps what these guys might need is a swift kick in the back,
which, I'm sure, Williams would not hesitate to give to any
wayward ballplayer ...

Lyn

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From: bmbrow01@rigel.spd.louisville.edu (Brian M. Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Todd Zeile
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:21:32 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Having watched Todd last night here in Louisville I feel that he is well 
on his way to recovery and back to the Cards.  If he continues his
current pace he may be back before the end of the month.  As far as
management... well i don't keep up with the NL I am more of an AL fan
but the past year I haven't been able to keep up with any.

Brian.
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:10:18 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 168sakINNlbt@hal.com, dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.055445.27900@menudo.uh.edu>, st1ge@Rosie (Edward Hui) writes:
>>      I wonder if Bob Lurie would have sold the team if the Giants were in
>>contention now.  One thing is certain though:  They won't draw too much in
>>attendance even when they were winning, being 13 games out of first definitely
>>won't help.
>
>When they were winning, they were drawing in the 2 million range.  Not
>tops in the Major Leagues, but certainly not shabby, either.

Irving Grousbeck, Cable TV Mogul from Portola Valley and (ex)potential buyer
of the Giants, stated that the Giants would need to bring in 35,000/game
(2.8 million) to turn a profit after the 1994 CBS renegotiation.

>-- 
>    Doug Moran        | Heck, picture if aliens ever landed in California.
>   dougm@hal.com      | Instead of running away or even inquiring about the
> {...}!hal.com!dougm  | secrets of the universe, *Californians* would probably
> HaL Computer Systems | ask the BEMs if they had any new cuisine!


Michael Wong
msw10@ras.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Oriole News
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 11:10:04 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

Just a few rumors, notes and news fron the Sunday papers:

Aug. 24 (Cal's birthday) is rumored to be the O's target date to sign
Cal and announce it at a home game.  The last time the Orioles signed
Cal to a long-term contract he hit 7 HRs in the next 17 games.

Chris Hoiles has hit .545 in 3 games at AA last week, catching 4 innings
and DHing in the other games.  Hoiles will return sometime this week.

Bob Milacki has imporved to 5-0 with a 3.35 ERA at Rochester.

Rick Sutcliffe claims that the poor mound at OP@CY has given him a strained
trapezius muscle.  Other Oriole pitchers have privately complained about the
quality of the mound.  Sutcliffe is not expected to miss a start.

The Orioles will probably leave both Mark McLemore and Billy Ripken off their
protected list.  Mclemore mat be selected by the Marlins, since Cookie Rojas
was high on him back in California.  Rojas is advising the Marlins.
Dennis Shea
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Say it's so! Baseball in Tampa Bay!!!
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:06:26 GMT
 <1992Aug11.195023.16861@adobe.com>
 <Tanya_Davis.esh-110892161352@tahiti.slac.stanford.edu>
 <1992Aug12.152248.6422@adobe.com>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Aug12.152248.6422@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri
Nichols) says:
>
>In article <Tanya_Davis.esh-110892161352@tahiti.slac.stanford.edu>
>Tanya_Davis.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu (Tanya Davis) writes:
>
>>I could go on and on, but hopefully the other guy will see this post and
>>post my letter of reasons not to like the A's.....if not, I'll try to
>>recompose.
>
>It's really not necessary.  What you've posted of it so far just sounds
>like more whining.
>
>Ever noticed that when teams you already don't like win, they seem to
>"develop an attitude", unlike the teams you already like?

     That's true for some teams, but not all.  I like to look at your
statement another way... When you already like a team that develops an
attitude, it's easy to ignore or even embrace that attitude.  When you
already dislike a team that develops an attitude, it's easier to simply
hate that team.  Take the Mets and the A's... Both highly successful
teams that are very open about their cockiness.  And people either love
them or hate them; it's pretty difficult to find people ambiguous about
how they feel about either team.  That's fine.
     But how are you supposed to feel when a team that's rubbed its
attitude in your face (as a die-hard fan of their Bay Area rivals) for
years is the only game in town?  Embrace them?  Try to imagine how you
would feel if, say, Will Clark was traded to the Dodgers for Strawberry.
Could you really just blindly root for Darryl because hey, at least
you've still got a good slugger on your team?  No way... You've lost
the player you fell in love with and management expects you to cheer
for the one they've helped you to hate for years?
     Baseball is a matter of the heart. I mean, if you *really* fall
in love, it doesn't matter *how* many other girls are out there.
Losing her makes everything else taste bittersweet at best...

Brett
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: maceache@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Tim Maceachern)
Subject: Re: How long is Guzman out for?
Organization: NSTN Network Operations Centre, Nova Scotia, Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 12:39:15 GMT

savoy@hg.uleth.ca (Jim Savoy) writes:


>> pfferrei@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ferreira) writes:

>>How long is Guzman of the Jays out for?
>>I have heard reports ranging from another 2 weeks to another 4 weeks.

>Apparently, he is not supposed to do anything for 10 days and then he will
>go on a rehab program for 4-6 weeks. Not only is his shot at a Cy Young gone,
>but this may jeapodize the Jays chances of beating [Oakland/Minnesota], if
>they win the East at all. Pretty abysmal pitching staff without Guzman.

> _____________________________________________________________________________
>     Jim Savoy          University Of Lethbridge         savoy@hg.uleth.ca

I'm not sure that the Jays should be hurrying Guzman back.  First of all,
if he is not rushed back too soon he has many years to win the Cy Young.
Secondly, they now have a 4 game lead over Baltimore and may be able to
coast along without him.

Now, I have no argument that they need him to win the ALCS if they get that far.
But shouldn't their primary concern be that he works up his arm and shoulder
strength gradually?  Maybe in time to start in a game or two before the
ALCS?

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Randy Johnson  blowing it by the Twins
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:13:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19744
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Randy Johnson is now carrying a no hitter through 7 innings,
and in a close game, he has got all the lead that he has
needed to blow the Twins batters away with heaters, that
not only blow by but also tail away from the right-handers.

Poor Tapani, the Twins have yet to score a run for him against
Seattle.


S.H
Forever Twins.
From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: village voice quiz answer 11-20
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:27:12 GMT
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN

In article <1992Aug17.154258.8049@panix.com> wlarkin@panix.com (Ward Larkin) writes:
>
>15. Name at least two players who have been brought
>    up on murder charges.
>
>    Cesar Cedeno, Hank Thompson, Danny Shay, Charlie 
>    Sweeney, Charles "Pacer" Smith

Isn't Brewers pitcher Julio Machado also eligible for this answer?


Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu

>
From: bradley@novell.com (Brad Soe)
Subject: Re: "Discarded" Giants (Re: Jeff Brantley sucks!!!)
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:15:09 GMT

In article <4200335@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>(Mike West)
>>Before anyone castigates the Giants for "giving up on" or "discarding"
>>these players, remember the circumstances:
>
>>Lefferts - He was a free agent who did not want to stay in SF.  
>
>He wanted to stay with SF.  SF made it clear that they did not think
>highly of him by going after Righetti.  I think salary was an issue as
>well - this despite the fact that Lefferts had been doing the job for
>SF.  This swap of Lefferts for Righetti has been a total disaster.  Last
>year Lefferts had better numbers than Rags.  This year he does as well.
>In fact, in a year where the Giants needed another starter, Lefferts would
>have filled the bill.  I doubt that Lefferts was even offered a starting
>role by SF management.

I would not call this a swap. Lefferts was gone after 88 season (Maybe 87).
The Giants were relying on Brantley to be the closer. It did not work out
well so the Giants got Bedrock in the middle of '89. Rags did not 
come along until 1991? 
>
>>Mulholland
>>D.Cook   - They were traded for Bedrosian.  Long term it was not
>>C.Hayes    that great (I didn't like the Giants giving up two promising
>>           lefties either), but they desperately needed a closer
>>           and Bedrosian was the best they could find.  And the trade
>>           worked:  he helped them win the West and make it to the WS.
>
>This is your opinion.  Who can say whether the absence of Bedrosian would
>have made any difference.  Two starting lefties and a 3rd baseman is a bit
>steep for 1/3 season from a washed up reliever.  Today Bedrock is history.
>Where might the Giants be with two proven lefties and a reserve infielder?
>Thanks but I'll take the double digit wins this year rather than the 
>questionable value of Bedrock during the stretch drive.

My opinion is that if you are in a race you should do what you can to 
win. Remember only 4 out of 26 teams can get to the playoffs. What are
the chances of getting there again? Who knows? But if you are close
enough, you better try. The fans deserve it.

>
>>If you are going to accuse the Giants of giving up on players and
>>making bad personnel decisions, please pick appropriate examples.
>>These are not.
>
>A matter of opinion.  While we are at it lets add the following to our
>list:
>
>o Butler for McGee
This was a pure contract dispute. I miss Butler too. I am not 
sure that I would have gone after McGee seeing his style of play
these past 2 years.

>o Leonard for Riles
Leonard did not want to be a Giant anymore. He was not getting along
with the players. Is he still playing? 

>o Downs for nothing despite 9 wins last year
Despite a lot of injuries. Downs is not young either. The Giants
already have a lot of pitchers like him. Pitchers that cannot pitch!

You forgot about Candy Maldanado too, another disgruntled Giant.

Brad


Brad Soe
bradley@novell.com
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 15 Aug 1992 04:15:47 EDT
From: Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: JEFF REARDON

For three years I have cringed at the site of Jeff Reardon being called in
from the bullpen. For three years I have watched him blow leads that
other closers would have sewn up in no time. When is the Red Sox management
going to realize that Jeff Reardon must go? Tonight he blew a two-run
lead, and then lost the ball game, by giving up a home run to that frequent
home run hitter, Milwaukee veteran Jim Gantner. Reardon may be the all-time
saves leader, but he has lousy mechanics, and all he does is try to strike
hitters out by throwing watermelons up the heart of the plate. Doesn't he
realize that he's not as fast a pitcher as he used to be?
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