HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: doc@ecepck.ece.arizona.edu.local (doc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: RE: Train from Shanghai to Nanjing
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:01:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecepck.9204160201.AA11610


In article <122659@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov writes:
|> In article <1992Apr16.003601.3444@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> txt15@po.CWRU.Edu (Tao Tao) writes:
|> ->
|> ->This is not true.  There are bus and cab, if you willing to pay for the
|> ->expensive cab, to Nanjing from Shanghai.  The best way to me is the 
|> ->Express 92, which leaves for Nanjing around noon and get you to Nanjing
|> ->non-stop in avbout 4 hours.
|> ->
|> ->This should be useful I hope.
|> ->
|> ->Tao
|> 
|> How much does it cost for a cab one way?  How much does it cost for
|> the cab to stay say 2 days in Nanjing and then back?
|> --
|> Terry Cheung
|> tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov

    I would say more than 300 yuan a day, plus you pay meal and hotel for
the driver.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: rk7151@csc.albany.edu (KWOK RAYMOND Y)
Subject: Re: When is Qing1 Ming2?
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:37:21

In article <1992Apr13.080909.8592@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:

>   >How old Chinese people calculated the season from lunar calender?
>
>	   Beats me. 
>	   Hmm.... I think it was late Ming or early Ching dynesties
>	   (Mid 17th century) mainly by Western missionaries.  I just 
>	   remember seeing pictures of Westerners dressed like Early Ching
>	   officials playing with astronomical instruments.

	As China is an agricultural country, crop growing need to know 
	the solar date. There are Chinese astronomer - Li4Fa?Ka? - that
	computes 24 JieChi every every. The Chinese year book - TongSing
	predicts the weather of the year by ChunAuTo.
	The calendar computation is long before Sung Dynasty, when
	exactly it starts - it may be as early as WongDei.
Ray

-- 
  Raymond Kwok Yin Lung	kwok@cs.albany.edu
Spring has arrived at Albany. According to weather forecase, we
will have a warm Easter.  Happy Easter to everyone.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Don't be misled
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:55:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.030415.14300@medsys.rn.com> bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System) writes:
>In article <9204092115.AA09584@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu> xu@CS.UCDAVIS.EDU (Hao Xu) writes:
>>
>>by Ding Shu. BTW, I find Scott always try to cover up all disasters CCP made
>>and make up some merits for CCP :-)) Not strange to me at all. :-))
>>
>
>He may not be able to do it for long. Now that the USSR has broken up and
>China has become the "only big bad guy", it is conceivable that China's
>integrity will receive more and more challenge. The independence
>movement in Xin Jiang, Xi Zang, Taiwan, Hong Kong and inner Mongolia
>will get, if not already has gotten, a boost. CCP may not be able to
>survive the turmoil and probably will soon disappear.
>
>Chou1

If you were from China , you will find that many students and intellectuals
are rethinking about the reality of China and the developement of previous
USSR . ( I don't mention here other people , since they don't , at least ,
showed their willness to change other things than their own bussiness . )
Many of the above don't want to have Soviet Kind of change , because China
is more similar , as a whole , to some Asian countries Of previous Soviet
Union . The possible turmoils might take a long time to recover , for that 
huge a population . If China were in the same situation as USSR , the 
population might become a globle trouble . That is why even VOA ( Voice Of
America , a radio to China and by CIA ) said " China is not likely to have
same kind of change as in Eastern Euroup . " It mentioned "peaceful evolution"
frequently , one year after 6.4 of 1989 . In other words , even USA doesn't
want to expect the change of the same kind . 
   China's problems are both ecnomic and politic . If China turned into an
ecnomic diaster for political or natural causes , no forces can easily control
the whole situation in short time .
From: yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh)
Subject: 6.4 red card is not only blood abuse but criminal
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:04:34 GMT


xu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Hao Xu) wrote:

+In article <1992Apr13.194225.591@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> srzhang@mth.msu.edu (Shuren Zhang) writes:
+>
+>                **** WITNESS *****
+>
+>Before 1989 TAM, Shannon went back to Beijing and had a fight against
+>CCP leaders at various levels.  Those leaders rendered personal
+>persecution to him.  
+
+And he told us he had freedom of speech in China. What a disgrace liar
+and backboneless ...
+
+Hao

I am not sure why you were NOT elegible for the use of "freedom of speech"
in China.  Your grandmother might still try to screw you since you decided
to trade her in for Yeltsin.

Furthermore, whois "backboneless"?  You or me?  We might need to do a poll.

shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: SCC Unsolved Mystery.
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:28:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.180536.11036@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, xiao-lin li <xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
<In article <11APR199200391838@vxcrna.cern.ch> yang@vsoph8.cern.ch writes:
<
<>  Don't bother, D-Fs hardly say anything real, Xiao li said the above because
<>  he now know this Li Canhao is possiblly Li Peng's relative, so he just
<>  want to "Tao4 Jin4 Hu". Be prepared Xiao li will tell you he and LI canhao
<>  are brothers, 300 years ago.... somrthing like that.
<>
<>  D-Fs favourate topic is about who is who's son ('s mothers's brother's 
<>  sister's ... in law's....uncle's......)
<
<I think you are an idiot! 

Then I think you are an idiot.

<First I am not a D-F. We are people!

Who's "[w]e"?

<Second the story is absolutely true. I swear to God.

Cut the crap.

<What is the purpose of "Tao4 Jin4 Hu" with Li Peng or his
<relative?

Only you would know.  Why do you want to _tao4 jin4hu_ with Li Peng's
relatives?

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
From: doc@ecepck.ece.arizona.edu.local (doc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Yuan Mu the second (re: Re: Xue4 ran2 de lyu4 ka3 (Re: 6.4 red card is blood abuse))
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:36:35 GMT


In article <1992Apr14.042801.21350@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
|> <>Certainly.  These "d-fighters" deliberately provoked a violent response
|> <>from the Chinese government three years ago so that they could get their
|> <>_xue4 ran2 de lyu4 ka3_.  They'd do it again if they had the chance.
|> <
|> <	So you're saying they asked to be shot in cold blood? :(
|> 
|> Come on, they most certainly did provoke a violent response.  Some of them
|> had beaten up (and even killed) policemen, waving their bloody uniforms
|> before crowds--all before June 4.  No government would put up with that.

       Does this sound like what Yuan Mu said in 1989?

|> 					--Scott
|> 
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From: ryong@ctron.com (Ren Yonghong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: To an Ar1 Q out there
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:30:51 GMT
Reply-To: ryong@olympus.ctron.com (Ren Yonghong)
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.


I just want to say JZHANG's posting, "Paradise Lost and Witch Hunt in Prague",
is an excellent posting.  I also recommend that book "Paradise Lost" to all
chineses from Mainland.
From: alfred@walt.tmc.edu (Alfred Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: News SCC is for news, not a battlefield!
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:09:03 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State Univ.

In article <1992Apr15.175101.15609@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>In article <9204151655.AA07054@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, PXW10@PSUVM.PSU.EDU writes:
><
><You
><never know if your argument is stupid.
>
>On the contrary, I always know that my arguments are not stupid.
>
><(for example, recently there are tons of mail about
><the so called ``Blood 6.4 Greencard''.  If you think it is a dirty thing to
><get such card, no one is going to force you to try one. It is not your
><business if some one is trying for that.
>
>The hell it isn't!  Those who get their green cards by biting into the
>"bloody buns" (_xue4 man2tou_) are reaping personal gain at the expense
>of others.
>
>					--Scott
>
In moral sense, you are right.  However, human beings are very practical. 

alfred wu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: From Chinese calendar to names (Re: Chinese Calendar..)
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 17 Apr 1992 02:02:43 GMT

In article <CMM.0.90.2.703371175.jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu> jamesou@ZYGOTE.HSC.USC.EDU (James Ou) writes:
>
>"Tian1 Gan1" for names, and there was [Bi3 "Gan1"], the guy who
>donated his heart for the dynasty. :-(
>

Are you sure he "donated" his heart? Sounds like he was an extremely
generous man.

Chou1
From: mcao@vthvax.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: View Chinese On VMS/VAX System?
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:48:26 GMT
Organization: Veterinary Teaching Hospital, Texas A&M University

Hi, Does anyone in this group knowing how to view the Chinese like Hua Xia
Wen Zhai on VMS/VAX system? I would appreciate any help from you.
	Address: internet=smtp%"mcao@vthvax.tamu.edu"
		 bitnet=jnet%"mcao@tamvet"
					Ming Cao
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: THE LIER SHOULD BE PUNISHED(KILLED OR WHATEVER PROPER)
Keywords: lier, punished
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:29:21 GMT

In article <s2ht7INNnaj@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> fengzou@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Feng Zou) writes:
>   We  chinese who came before 4/11/90  are very sensitive about the
>final result of President Bush' special order. Those who(Xiao Li etc)
>intended to fool all these students should check if he is a humane being
>or beasts like Tiananmen Square killers. Chinese are characterized
>by their honest. Those who lie publicly today could be a potential
>killer tomorrow or be punished by their behavor later. No wonder
>people call Xiao Li a son of Li Peng ------- they are from the same
>killing family. Be careful when you liers are lying!
>
>Feng ZOU
> 

Don't call for violence publicly, Mr.Zou!
Don't challenge First Amendment, Mr.Zou!

What is lying? We cannot say one is lying simply because we THINK he is 
saying something wrong( e.g. ignoring some facts or arguing incorrectly).
Only when he is doing so with intention (to mislead mass), we can say he 
is lying. By this criterion, I consider Xiao Li a person who just spoke 
up his/her mind, not a liar.

--Yang

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yzg9890@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (just call me joe )
Subject: Re: not just blood abuse, it's criminal! (Re: 6.4, green card, freedom, money, et al.)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:53:02 GMT

yeh@netix.com (Shannon Yeh) writes:

>"  _____\_____    |----------|  "     /_ ===|        |----
>     /     \      | _|    |__|        /_------   ----|-----
>    /       \     |__________|       __/ \ | /       |  \
> 					 / |\__      |   \

>    |====|      ---| ---|--     /--/  \  /     /
>  ---------      \/   \ |       |---|------   /|----------|
>    / |---       /\     |       |-|-| --|--    |  |   |   |
>   /\_|______          \|       |___|---|--- __|__________|____
>			       ______/  |

> /    /----|    |---| --|-\-    |==|  \|/     |====|   \/ ----|  |-----|
> |--|      |    |---| --|--      ||-  /|\   ---------  /\  | \|  |_|_|_|
> |--|   \  |    |---|   \/      __|__|----|     /|---   |/ |      =| |=
> |__|     \|     / \    /\__\        |====| ,  /\|____ /|  |___\ --| |--


    I agree with you this time!

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From: 88p8337@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au (Antartica Archer(tm))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Chinese Zodiac
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:05:44 +1000
Organization: FLAME FRONT(tm)

In article <kujgd7INNdsg@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu>, pcli@uicadf.csl.uiuc.edu (Ping-Chung Li) writes:

> However, I heard that there's an exception. If the Lunar Jan. 1. is located 
> after Li(4)- chun(1), then all the children born between Li(4)-chun(1) and 
> lunar new year are considered the next Shen(1)-xiao(4).
> 	For example, if last year is dragon year and the Chinese new year is 
> Feb. 10, Li(4)-chun(1) is Feb. 4. then all the babies born between Feb. 4 
> and Feb 10 are with Shen(1)-xiao(4) snake.
> 	Anyone can confirm this and explain why?

  I do not intend to "confirm" anything here. What I heard is that it is only
one of those many calendric theories. Ionsiders Li-chun as the beginning
of a new year.
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Forward for Mr. Anonymous, #3
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:54:00 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

In article <199204120027.AA02601@thames.bu.edu> lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>>JP by Chinese, and they found poor Chinese really did nothing:-( Once I
>>read a WWII book, the only contribution of Chinese mentioned in that book
>>is "help USA to build an airport near Chengdu" :-(
>[.....]
>the chinese troop in Burma was really brave , but the troops inside 
>China were, in general, corruptive . He also mentioned the hard efforts by 
>CCP to disturb the japanese .

	The Chinese troop in Burma, I think, was led by US commanders.
	Only the KMD (Nationalist Party) troops were corruptive, I believe.
	The CCP lead truly hard efforts to fight the Japanese troops, not 
	just "disturb".  The Japanese troops in China were truly DEFEATED,
	mainly by the Chinese resistance.
	Main contribution of China, in the Western poin of view, is to 
	drug a large portion of the Japanese military in China thereby 
	making it easier for the Allies to win at the end.

>Another contribution is 20,ooo "Coolie" were sent abroad , to help the 
>transportation of the coalised army (?)

	You mean building the Burma Road.  Right?

>China was really too weak to beat Japan , Otherwise Soviet Union had no
>need to go to Dong Bei at all .  It was already a  history , but we can't
>deny it .

	USSR might have speeded up the Japanese defeat, that's all.
	A similar analogy would be: 
	  British and the Allies were too weak to *resist* Japan.  Otherwise
	  China had no need to go to Burma at all.
	I love seeking the truth; just want to look at history as it is.

>I did not say that China was strong enough to beat Japan alone in WWII.

	Meaningless arguement.  Nobody can prove would would happen if the
	history was different.

====================================>.sig <====================================
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 *The American Radio Relay League:  Amateur Radio >>---> A National Resource
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From: xu@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Hao Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 6.4, green card, freedom, money, et al.
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:11:06 GMT
Reply-To: xu@toadflax.UUCP (Hao Xu)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <1992Apr12.013054.22753@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>
><	You students caused the killing!! You did not give them any additional
><	choice!
>
>Absolutely.  (Though the Chinese government handled the matter very poorly.
>If they had had any intelligence, they would've simply broken up the
>demonstration with tear gas on the very first day.  Then no one would've
>died, the image of the PRC [such as it is] would not have been tarnished,

Whose image has been tarnished? The glorious, great, correct party? Or the
dear, loving goverment? So you think it is CCP's mistake to order 6/4
massacre? Otherwise how can it damage CCP's image? Scott, you really
disappointed me. You should think it a glorious, great, correct decision
made by the glorious, great, correct party and deserve a full page
ad. on NY Time. If I were you, I would pay for the ad myself even if
I don't have enough money. Sigh, Scott, this time you don't follow
the party's line close enough. You should go to the 'study-class' for
3 month to accept re-education and write 100 self-critism report.

BTW, this time, Shannon Yeh's behavior is much better than Scott, the
party should consider to promote him to the leadership position.

>					--Scott

Hao
From: mjln_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mikeey J. Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CCP did not order any massacre!!
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:18:02 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <9204120755.AA10134@ecepck.ece.arizona.edu.local> doc@ecepck.ece.arizona.edu.local (doc) writes:


>In article <1992Apr12.074121.27117@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>|> <So you think it is CCP's mistake to order 6/4
>|> <massacre?
>|> 
>|> The CCP did *NOT* order any "massacre".  Period.  Don't bandy the word `CCP'
>|> about so freely.

>      Now donkey Scott changes from CCP apologist to CCP defender. 
>So according to this donkey, on JUNE 4 of 1989, students in TAM simply
>asked to be killed.  

	Yes, the CCP had to defend Communism by killing the students.
I can't see how any government can kill unarmed student demostartors 
unless the leaders are truly monsters. I feel sorry for the people who
actually belives all the propaganda the CCP is putting out.

>      How glorious the CCP is! Students marched to TAM and stayed there,
>hunger strike, then demanded CCP to shoot themselves!  Does the Sun come
>out from west side??

        Perhaps in the future, when the ignorant leaders die out, China
will reform and give everyone basic human rights. Until then, I guess.

						Mikeey
From: mth015@muvms3.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS NR3073:  IFCSS Summer Workshop on Business Management
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:26:33 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <9204130008.AA05498@rac1.wam.umd.edu>, ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU (IFCSS HQ) writes:
> *******************************************************************
>   IFCSS Headquarters Office News Release No. 3073, April 12, 1992 
>        IFCSS Summer Workshop on Business Management in Taiwan
> *******************************************************************
> Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars in the U.S. 
>       733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C. 20005   
>               Phone:(202)347-0017  Fax:(202)347-0018   
>                     E-mail:IFCSS@CSCWAM.UMD.EDU   
>   
>    
> Dear Fellow Chinese Students and Scholars:
> 
> IFCSS will hold a summer workshop on business management in Taiwan
> this August.  The following is an announcement from the Workshop
> Committee.  
> 
> *****************************************************************
>   
>         IFCSS SUMMER WORKSHOP ON BUSINESS MANAGEMENT 
> 
>   
>                   JULY 1992, HSINCHU/TAIPEI 
>   
> 1. BACKGROUND 
>   
> With generous support from the business community in Taiwan, IFCSS
> will hold its first summer workshop on business management in
> Hsinchu Science Park/Taipei around August 1992.  All Chinese
> professionals with career interests in business management are
> encouraged to apply to participate in this workshop. 
>   
> IFCSS believes that economic development is one of the main driving
> forces for the social advancement of our home country.  Expertise
> in the fields of business and economics will help us contribute to
> this development.  The recent economic and political achievements
> in Taiwan have created a unique environment for us to learn and
> develop expertise in business management, market economic and
> international trade. 
>   
> Since our first contact with business community and education
> institutions in Taiwan, which include Hsinchu Science Park,
> university business schools, individual firms and foundations, we
> have received very positive responses and generous supports.  After
> many consultations, it has been decided that the first workshop of
> a series will be held this summer.  The 1992 summer workshop will
> focus on business management of medium to small high - tech 
> enterprise and global business competition. 
>   
I heard the motivation behind sponsing firms is they hope to recuit
bright Chinese fellows work for them at near future. This workshop
actually is a group inteview. How smart our businessman!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Chinese Nationals Came Before 4/1/90 Will Have Greencard.
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 06:09:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.022733.10664@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, kniaz@cat3.cs.wisc.edu (Joel Kniaz) writes:
<
<	I am of the opinion that anyone who has the ability and intention 
<	to contribute  to the welfare and growth of this country should
<	be allowed to immigrate.

So am I.  I'd go so far as to open the borders completely.  (Would you?
I doubt it, and I'm quite sure that my FGNC flamers would not.  Doing so
would greatly increase the competition for them!)  What I can't stand is
dishonesty.  Lying to congresslime (like Pelosi) and immigration officers
about the situation in one's country is dishonest and should not be
tolerated--especially when it worsens one's country's international image
(and therefore one's countrymen's standard of living).

<       I am totally unconcerned about the 
<	rationalization or political posturing  that may occur toward 
<	achieving this goal.

How is the proposed legislation going to help us in "achieving this goal"?
It will quite simply result in favouritism for PRC citizens.  And that
favouritism is not justified.

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
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