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From: carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Joel E. Carlson 1625773)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:33:21 GMT

In article <Bxts2B.98A@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Last Bard) writes:
>Robert Haskins <RHASKINS@UMAB.BITNET> writes:
>
>>The problem is not so much the Bible itself, as the interpretations of the
>>Bible that have come about since and used as method of oppressing women,
>>homosexuals, and non-Christians.  American Indians, Buddhists, and Hindus
>>are totally divorced from the JudeoChristian tradition, through no fault
>>of their own.  The ultra-literal interpretations of the Bible hold that
>>these people are damned.  I can't accept that.
>
>>Did anyone see _The Rapture,_ by the way?  (I know this is far from
>>cyberpunk talk, but it's a great film!)
>
>>Bob
>
>I agree the Bible has been misinterpreted by many groups to oppress other 
>less popular groups.  But my real question is why can't you accept the
>ultra-literal translation that people of non-judeochristian backround are
>are damned?  (just intrested.)
>
>chip fay
>cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>

Remember the Nt parable of the master who left and gave a portion of
seed to each of his three servants?  Well, if not, the master comes home
and rewards the servants who managed their seed the best.  It's a
pseudo-capitailist moral story, the ones who do the best derseve the
best, but that's another story.  When, I used to care.  I heard one of
the best interpretation's of this parable, by my pastor.  He said that
one is only accountable for what they know to be truth.  i.e. a satanist
who has never heard the "good news" will be just as elligible for
eternal life, as the pious born-againer.  Because the satanist operated
with the only information that they knew about god.

This begins to fall apart though if the satanist hears about christ,
then he is damned if he doesn't convert.  So us that are debating this
point from a non-believing standpoint are on a "highway to heaven, but O
I sorta like the ride." >:)
                   
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+Joel Carlson				|  History, read it and weep!
carlsoje@cda.mrs.umn.edu            	| 
University of Minnesota, Morris         |  Kurt Vonnegut
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: captain@west.darkside.com (Captain)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Ye Golden Rule
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:05:38 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM


 I have been chastised.

 I regret having entered into this thread with the intention of 
perpetrating the same stuff I was getting down on others for. Damn me for 
a hypocrite!

"I think I think; therefore, I think I am." -Ambrose Bierce

live and let live,
-Captain out.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: sheilah@wam.umd.edu (Danny-Boy)
Subject: what does &&&&&& have to do with ####### 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:52:26 GMT


One asks, what does religion et etc etc have to do with cp.
Whatever you want.

 assume a religious minded person in a cp context. 

anything can have anything to do with anything by virtue of juxtaposition.
and what you want.

some with religious bent invent paganism again to feel their spiritual
context that has been cut away by invasive sky gods.
	I met a woman who told me she was agnostic but a practising
	wiccan because she wanted to explore her feminine spirituality.

if people are the same all the time, what is to prevent them from
doing the same in whenever. your imagination?

only connect.


(hehe)


(most of the conversation on robosex and religion and etc etc has 
not seduced me mentally)
-- 
I am always wrong. Don't believe me ever.
stark raving sane  sheilah@wam.umd.edu
Organization: University of Maryland at Baltimore
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 15:48:19 EST
From: Robert Haskins <RHASKINS@UMAB.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industria

> The "assumption" that homosexuals act different from heterosexuals is
> another sweeping generalization typically a cause for the rise of the
> problems of discourse on the board recently.  But the fact remains that
> a pretty serious percentage of homosexuals *do* act quite strangely (by
> majority standards, sexual practices aside).  My SO's male friends are,

What are "majority standards?"  And what made you the expert on them?

> except for 4 exceptions, homosexuals.  It's just a side effect of her
> profession, *THEY* say (not she says).

What profession?  Dance?  Even if so, I don't think you've presented
a very intelligent assessment of how most homosexuals "act."  Did you
see the news this weekend?  They're gays in the military, in finance,
in sports.  Do you think those are the minority as far as modes of
social conduct?  And what difference could it possibly make if it
weren't?
>                                         Of this group of 40 or more gay
> men, there are *maybe* 10 that act within the confines of normal society
> enough for me (and many of *MY* friends) to interact with comfortably.  The

Well, I guess the other 30 guys aren't friends of yours, huh?
Maybe you should try to understand where the more flamboyant homosexuals
are coming from and defend them from assholes like Eddie Murphy and
Andrew Dice Clay.  Maybe they don't want to act _like_ you (presuming
you act "normally").  Are they hurting you?  Maybe hurting your reputation?
If the answer to both those questions is "no," then maybe burn a little
incense and try to be tolerant. Jeez.

Bob
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Luke Nosek)
Subject: Re: Sex & Violence (was cyberpunk at the arcades)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:47:44 GMT

	Yes, but rememember that America is a Christian nation which holds the
deeply held family value that sex for pleasure is evil. Violence, however, is
hardly ever pleasurable by both parties for we're confusued as to what to think
about that.

	If it were my choice - I'd go for the sex... I like it to be fun
for both people involved.

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: jason@wc20.writer.yorku.ca (Jason Nolan)
Subject: Re: NEURO .. cut the eurocentered crap
Organization: York University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:43:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.185735.1617@syma.sussex.ac.uk>  
mpuf6@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Mark Constable) writes:
> These choices depend very much on how the movie is made.
> Are we expecting another 'soap packaged' Lawnmower Man fiasco or a
> cutting 'Hardware' masterpiece?
> 
> That aside,
> 
> Molly?  Brigitte Nielsen.
> Case?  Peter Strauss.
> Armytage?  James Earl Jones.
> 
> Muz?  Sisters of Mercy/Ozric Tentacles/Nick Cave.
> 
> Talk to me O my brother jocks.
> 
> Mark J Constable
> MPUF6@SYMA.SUSSEX.AC.UK
> or
> MPUF6@CENTRAL.SUSSEX.AC.UK

No offence, but what's with the Eurocentered perspective.

Molly: size is right, but how about asian or eurasian?
Case:  a brain toasted no one with wicked shoes (the laurie guy from down  
	by law and stranger than paradise)
Armytage:  shit, you're right with that one....

Director?  Some suitable Japanese/Hong Kong director, Jarimush, Cronenberg

Music?  Your choices sound good, but again too euro for Gibson's world.
	How about  Ryuchi Sakamoto, YMO, Screeming Nose to compliment your
	particular palate.

This is not a flame, by any means, but I sometimes wonder how much
is edited in reader's subconscious when I see people proposing line-ups  
which oppose so obviously some of the important themes in the book.

I know that we all want this to work, in the worst way.

Just pray to the gallium arsinide god of 5th generation systems, and the
sub-saint of parallel processing.

Gap Fizz
From: bliss32@terapin.com (Geoff Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Realtime unreality
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:32:17 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1eeemmINNjrd@uwm.edu>, aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.)
writes:
>bk541@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Lachniet) writes:
>: 
>:      Words and thoughts, carefully communicated are the mainstay
>: of alt.cyberpunk (nay, all Email/BBS's) but loose the quality of
>: spontaneity.  Would any of you be interested in meeting REALTIME
>: on a public access IRC server for discussion ?????  If you have tech
>: tips on a Timex-Sinclair 1000, like Ginseng for breakfast, or 
>: generally prescribe to the old school when 300 baud was hip, and
>: ASCII was good enough, reply.........
>: 
>
>Just a quick sign-o-the-times note.  I recently traded a Timex/Sinclair
>computer for a 'Internet World Tour' t-shirt from a fellow netter.  Just
>think about it ... a t-shirt for a functional (sort of) computer ... amazing
>when you think about it.
>
>
>______________________________________________________
>Steve J. White
>my virtual spheres of consciousness can be reached at:
>aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
>aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Got a LoD World Hacking Tour shirt huh?  You can buy em for $15 (about the same
as the sentimental value of a TI/Sinclair

 bliss

Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:5996 alt.industrial:807 alt.sex:37034 alt.sex.bondage:22545
From: mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Ye Golden Rule
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:11:28 GMT
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society

In article <92324.234639U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> <U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>[nonsense about Reblais being wiccan "mother of *"
>These people need to get a life.  Wiccanism is even more silly
>than Isalm.  Mother-of-this Goddess-of-that and plagirists
>too!  That was from Gargantua and Pantagruel by F Reblais.

If you are going to be an ass and call people names, at least get the
religion's name correct. It is Wicca and its members are Wiccans.
From: richard@paragon.folly.welly.gen.nz (Richard Parry)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Mortal Kombat
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 13:06:07 GMT
Reply-To: parry_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Distribution: world
Organization: Masterful Enterprises UnLimited.

Truly awesome game!

Well, there has been discussion on it, and VR, and so forth.

Who gives a toss?  It's a good game, the action is the most realistic I
have seen since Pit Fighter, and it's addictive.

I have pushes too many $2 coins into it... 8-(

Oh - anyone got a list of moves for it?  I still haven't worked out a
single special attack, bar Sonya's leg flip (and I don't know how I did
it 8-) - feel free to email me here (but no, I wont mail the list back
out - I'll post it somewhere for all to see after I've made a
copilation!)

BTW, awesome graphics.  Get that on VR, and you'd be _Smokin'_.  From a
totally martial arts point of view, their coreographing is excellent,
and it reacts better than any game I've played to fighting situations
(within the unreal bounds of a video game; how many people to *you* know
who can take a spinning kick to the head? :)  From an artists point of
view - excellent imagery and graphics.  The only remotely cheesy bits
are the blood [esp when Kano (I think?) rips out someone's heart (not
spine, I don't think - too small! ;)], or when Sonya torches someone,
the skeleton is a bit unreal and stiff, and finally, Scorpion's head
(the skull, that is) when he whips off his mask to breath fire is a bit
cheesy as well.  From a totally male chovanistic point of view, I would
mind meetinf Sonya over a few quite drinks... ;)

"FINISH HIM!  Excellent...  Raiden Wins..."  Fatality bonus, 100,00.
Flawless Victory, 200,000.  Gee, I love it when that happens!

Anyway, I can only get up to the mirror match without key codes and
combos (I got to the first Endurance ONCE, but flukes don't really
count).  So mail me your combos, and you Finish fatality combos, and
some more amusing graphical experiences, and I'll compile and re-post.

To each contributor, I'll mail the list...

[Here's to hoping I get more than 2 replies... ;]

Later!

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.zines
From: space2@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tim)
Subject: Wired (Re: boing-boing)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 17:26:51 GMT

In article <1300100012@igc.apc.org> lwirbel@igc.apc.org (Loring Wirbel) writes:
>
>Boing-boing #9, with the Mondo-Mondo reverse cover, is not only hilarious,
>but ultimately good propaganda for R.U. Sirius and friends, provided they
>don't take themselves too siriusly.

From all the things I have heard Mondo found the parody just as hilarious
as everyone else.  

>The dangers of becoming too much of a
>fashion statement, as Mondo 2K has unquestionably become in recent issues,
>can be seen in the advance PR material for a new and very pretentious zine
>called "Wired," which has the audacity to call itself the "vanguard of the
>digital underground" or some such rot.  Folks I used to trust, such as Andy
>Bechtolsheim at Sun Micro, actually had the poor taste to associate their
>names with this "Wired" rubbish.

Have you actually read a copy of this mag yet? If so what's it like and what
is it that you find so terrible about it? (I ask because I haven't seen it
yet). You may add Bruce Sterling to the list of people associating with it
too... If I'm not mistaken he is writing a piece for it. 

Also, you mention "PR mat'l for a new" zine.. yet if this is the same one
carried by Mark Ziesing then there appear to be 3 issues already.

Tim	<space2@hardy.u.washington.edu>
From: mjb1@drutx.ATT.COM (BurrJ)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: WhatIs all This?
Summary: an info search
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:48:27 GMT
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO


Please let me know if anybody knows where I can get any firesigne theatre
albums or tapes 
I originally herd dont step on that dwarf hand me the pliers and have
loved them from then.

-------------------------------------------------------
Gods last words to the universe...
        We apologise for the inconvience.
HGTTG
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 23 Nov 1992 00:26:01 MST
From: <AHACC@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: cyberpunk at the arcades
 <If2FGVK00WCZMiA11_@andrew.cmu.edu>
 <1992Nov17.181628.9082@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>

Jason says:
=========================================================================
It's the trend.  Look at television and movies.  They are steadily
heading towards more and more violence (sex, too, I predict pornographic
video games within 5 years), and that violence is spilling over
=========================================================================

     As several people have mentioned, "pornographic" video games
are already here.  If the adultish games like Leisure Suit Larry aren't
explicit enough, try some of the shareware stuff like Simusex, an
early attempt at VR sex.  A lot of explicitly sexual elements are
already included in many of the arcade games with which we are familiar.

     This, however is far from a new trend.  Way, way back, right after
the release of the early arcade game pioneers Pong and Space Invaders
(of which some of you may have heard ...) a guy in Califoria began
marketing a game called "Erogenous Zone."  While the distribution of
the game was pretty much limited to California and fewer than 200 machines
were produced, this was certainly the first foray of explicit sex in
the video arcade.  The two-player game pitted one person, controlling
a fleet of sperm, against an adversary guarding an egg with a tube of
spermicide.
---
                                  -Devlyn Syde
                                  <AHACC@ASUACAD>
                                  <AHACC@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU>
From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Neuromancer the Music and Movie
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 16:13:39 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

"Curtis E. Bower" <cb4m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> I agree that Industrial is the way to go.  
> >FLA, definatly.  But NIN?... nah.  Too.. soft.  Gotta have that
> >nails-on-blackboard bangbangbangbang sound.
> NIN to soft?  have you heard broken?  

Sure have.  Even owned it for a couple weeks until I found someone who wanted
it.. ;-)

> >Maybe just have some guy bang some electronic equiptment together violently.
> >Smash a keyboard into an empty chassis for that echo effect... yeah.
> Hey, that would be pretty neat.  Real industrial, or maybe just do dome
> sampling at a steel plant and throw in some screaming or sumpthin.  

Yeah.. I like it.  Grinding steel and pain...  yeah.. YEAH! .. hey.. I like it.

I gotta try to find something like that... anyone?


--
morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?   -qr
From: aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Steven J.)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Realtime unreality
Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:05:10 GMT
Organization: Jobs With Peace at UWM
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

bk541@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Lachniet) writes:
: 
: 	Words and thoughts, carefully communicated are the mainstay
: of alt.cyberpunk (nay, all Email/BBS's) but loose the quality of
: spontaneity.  Would any of you be interested in meeting REALTIME
: on a public access IRC server for discussion ?????  If you have tech
: tips on a Timex-Sinclair 1000, like Ginseng for breakfast, or 
: generally prescribe to the old school when 300 baud was hip, and
: ASCII was good enough, reply.........
: 

Just a quick sign-o-the-times note.  I recently traded a Timex/Sinclair
computer for a 'Internet World Tour' t-shirt from a fellow netter.  Just
think about it ... a t-shirt for a functional (sort of) computer ... amazing
when you think about it.


______________________________________________________
Steve J. White
my virtual spheres of consciousness can be reached at:
aragorn@convex.csd.uwm.edu
aragorn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.industrial,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: Perhaps we have forgotten the teachings of Jesus
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:58:22 GMT

cwf50862@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Last Bard) writes:

|I agree the Bible has been misinterpreted by many groups to oppress other 
|less popular groups.  But my real question is why can't you accept the
|ultra-literal translation that people of non-judeochristian backround are
|are damned?  (just intrested.)

I personally discount that philosophy on the following grounds:

That policy is exceedingly harsh for a Deity who loves the world so
much that She would offer Her Son as a sin-offering on behalf of all
the people in the world.  

That little contradiction just doesn't make sense.  There are/were 
Buddhists and Native Americans who have lived more "Christian-behaving"
lives than most people who have held the aforementioned position.

Arrogance is not a Christian virtue.
--
Bigotry is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado and Tampa.

Michael Adams (StarOwl@uiuc.edu, wi.4962@n7kbt.rain.com)	
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:5917 alt.cyberspace:744 alt.fan.dave_barry:882 alt.tv.mst3k:2882
From: peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu (Peter Merholz)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberspace,alt.fan.dave_barry,alt.tv.mst3k,
Subject: Computer Culture and its participants
Date: 19 Nov 1992 03:36:35 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu

Here's your chance to be in a film!
I'm writing a proposal to make a film on the computer as cultural phenomenon.
What I need are people in the San Francisco Bay Area who would be willing to
be interviewed on this topic (either in person or over a modem), so I have
something solid to work from.
What I'm looking for are people who regularly use computers as part of their
social lives... I'm not specific to engineering or computer science types; I
want people from all sorts of backgrounds. The more connected you are to nets
and bulletin boards, the better.
If you are willing, what I'd like from you is 1) in what ways you use your
computer (work, school, social) 2) which boards/nets are you a member of
3) your occupation 4) your age 5) your sex 6)if you have any good anecdotes
about the computer culture (you may type them if you have the time or energy)
7) anything else you feel is pertinent to the topic.

Thank you *very much* ahead of time for your participation.

--Peter M.

(I hope this works!)

-- 
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Peter Merholz			*   MY GOD  * There is no god.
Research Assistant/		*    WHAT   * It's really quite that simple.
  Undergraduate F*ck-up		*   HAVE I  * Now, can't we discuss more 
UC Berkeley			*   DONE?!  * pertinent matters?
*****************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: wilder@nx03.mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Subject: Re: Neuromancer dream-cast and soundtrack
    <wilder.721963915@mik.uky.edu> <tjk5.36.722022011@po.cwru.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: nx03.mik.uky.edu!wilder
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:47:53 GMT

In <tjk5.36.722022011@po.cwru.edu> tjk5@po.cwru.edu (Timothy Kordas) writes:

|>|I believe that _Le Femme Nikita_ was produced in 1991, or at least that's
|>|what the flyer I got when I saw it says (pinned above my desk). She doesn't
|>|really fit my image of Molly very well....I second Jennifer Jason Leigh
|>|(short haired one :-) ).......

|>That's odd.  I wouldn't swear to it, but I was very certain that _La_
|>Femme_Nikita_ was listed in TVGuide as early '80s when I watched it last
|>Tuesday night.  Typo, maybe?

|Your source or mine? :-) Well I've heard it said several times that 
|just after _La Femme Nikita_ came out, that one of the big mainstream
|producers picked up the story and was going to hollywoodize it (BAD IDEA!)
|--that was only about a year ago...It also LOOKED pretty modern to me,
|ie not '82 clothes....

|Where/when was it playing on TV?? did they play the dubbed version (corny
|bad actors who completely destroyed all of the tension in the movie, and 
|actually made scenes--like the opening drug-store sequence--funny when it
|shouldn't have been)

It was on one of the premium channels...MAX, I think.  And yeah, the dubbing
was pretty bad.  In fact, during the scene you mentioned I had to turn away 
from my set.  Luckily I had seen that scene before, with subtitles.  I still
had to suffer through the rest of the dubbing, though.

I just dug my TVG out of the trash to check, and it lists _Nikita_ as '81.
Must be a typo.  I see what you mean about the *look* being modern; I guess
I just let the atrocious dubbing convince me the film was older than it is.
--
==============================================================================
| Jeff W  uk06666@ukpr.uky.edu | Meddle not in the affairs of cats, for they |
| Wilder  & wilder@mik.uky.edu | are subtle, and will piss on your cyberdeck.|
==============================================================================
From: mwark@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:38 EST
Subject: Re: art and technology
Nf-ID: #R:ibm3090.bham.ac.uk:-699845931:peg:225000040:000:51
Nf-From: peg.pegasus.oz.au!mwark    Nov 20 22:38:00 1992


Why not contribute to the ones that already exist?

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: torh@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Tor Houghton)
Subject: Re: Place
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 14:57:14 GMT

Thanks for all the replies!

Tannhauser gate... 

Cheers!

Tor
-- 

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