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From: bomar@mizar.usc.edu (Jason Bomar)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: HELP NEEDED WITH SKI AREAS IN NW
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:50:05 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

I am looking for a place to hold a conference for about 150 people in the
Pacific Northwest (Oregon, Washington, Idaho) which is going to be near
a good skiing facility.  The complications are that it can not be in
Portland, OR or Seattle, WA or any other cities with a lot of distractions.
I need  this information as soon as possible, so if you could please 
email me at bomar@mizar.usc.edu with any responses. 
Thank you in advance.

Jason Bomar
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: timsc@hwcae.Honeywell.COM (Tim Schneider)
Subject: Re: New Mexico snow/ski report
	<11801@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>
Organization: Honeywell, Air Transport Division; Phoenix, AZ
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:02:18 GMT
X-Posted-From: aspen.hwcae.az.honeywell.com
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oh yeah almost forgot (for those intrested in AZ conditions)

Apache Sunrise      90"-103" base
Flagstaff Snowbowl 112"-142" base



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            tim schneider

    timsc@hwcae.honeywell.com  OR
  uunet!asuvax!hwcae.honeywell.com!timsc
           (602) 436-3078
From: hkelly@tantalum.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: what to do when your car skids?
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:52:22 GMT
Organization: EDS Research, Albuquerque, NM

In article <9301201226.aa02803@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> bbui@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (J S Bach) writes:
>I was going down the mountain when it was snowing kinda heavily.  Since
>I wasn't aware that my left snow-chain had come off, I spun 360 while I
>was making a right turn.  At the time, the only thing I was able to do
>was let go the gas.  I didn't have time to feel scared either.  Anyway,
>I'm told that I should have turned my front wheels to the opposite
>direction and hit the gas to stop the skidding.  Is this true, anyone?
>
>See ya on the slope,
>
>Bach

You should generally turn in the direction of the skid, but you also have
to give a little gas to make the car go anywhere at all.  Driving on bad
raods takes practice, and it also assumes that you know your vehicle and
how it will respond.  I recall coming down a steep slope (paved) on a snowy
road once (it actually happened several times -- it was the road to my
in-laws' house), trying to use compression to keep my speed down (I also
used to drive Big Trucks) and having the traction on my rear wheels be so
small that I started to slide.  The only reesponse is to step on the gas
and get some control back, but, of course, that makes you go faster on an
already unsteady course.  I'd suggest going to a big parking lot and "do
donuts," which is what we used to do for fun late at night in northern Utah
(Hey, I was a teenager!).  If the lot is big enough, and ther are no cars,
and the snow is solid enough, you can slip and slide to your heart's
conten.  It's silly, but it's a good way to learn how to turn in skids to
regain control.  

But, really, once the roads get so bad, your best bet is really slow speed.
I recently came off the local mountain at 4-5mph behind a police escort
when 10mph was way too fast.  I got down OK.  The 10-mph guy was in a
ditch, the last I saw of him.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: zod@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
Reply-To: zod@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:48:49 GMT

I used to own a pair of thonse fan goggles. I did not like them.
To begin with, they were noisy. I couldn't here people talking
to me. Next I had paid about $70. for the darn thing. The glass
was scratched and I couldn't find a replacement glass!

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Captain Zod...
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From: jdigroup@ccmail.orst.edu (Jim Ingle's Research Group)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.snowboarding,rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Recommendations for equipment
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:10:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ccmail.jdigroup.24.727701009
Organization: Chemistry Department, OSU, Corvallis, OR  97331-4003
NNTP-Posting-Host: jdigrp.chem.orst.edu


In article <1j6oscINNcvv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech) writes:
>
----snippa snippa----

goes for $450 w/bindings (plus tax).  I would also recommend Morrow 
snowboards.>Good price, good quality, good design (they are of the drill 
plate design, >ie you drill the stance width/angles for your bindings, most 
shops will>do this for you.)  Boots are also expensive.  Expect to pay ~$150-
200 on>new snowboarding boots.  Or get Sorrel boots for ~$90 new.
> 
Thought I'd take this moment to hype my new board, which has changed my life:
the Morrow MP75.  Very light, very quick, very ..... yeah. Also pretty 
cheap ($405$), kicks ass in the powder, and even lets little old me try 
some eurospandexcarves in my soft boots. neat.  I'd reccommend it to anybody 
who wants a *fast* freeride board... but do get it in the right size... the 
175 cm was a cool sharp shock after my old 155 cm barfoot 1/2 pipe.  

trent
OSU
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:14:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Helmets (again): Skiing Safety
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:

> [ a bunch of absurd stuff]

> Excuse me for going non-linear here...but anybody who advocates this
> kind of idiocy doesn't belong in the mountains. 

 ...and people who don't think before they post probably shouldn't be
 allowed to play with computers.

 *sigh* I owe an appology to the original poster (Babak Gohari) for flying
 off the handle here. Bob in no way advocated any of the lunacy that I
 was babbling and I should have made that clear in my posting. All he did
 was manage to hit a very sore spot in my fragile mind. 

 ..glen
From: shr@transpac.esd.sgi.com (Sanford H Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: ACL Tear, need advice.
Keywords: ACL
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:32:41 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1993Jan26.003229.25519@vexcel.com>, tom@vexcel.com (Tom Baltzer)

|> I recently blew out my ACL and went to see a well recomended Orthopedist.

make sure He/She specializes in sports, not degenerative old people!!

|> He informed me that that particular ligament can heal itself, and 
|> barring cartlige damage shouldn't require surgery.  

I can't imagine an ACL healing itself, was it fully torn??

I was told if I continued an aggressive lifesytle the odds were high that due
to the lack of stability in the knee, long term cartilage damage was highly
likely. 


I had mine replaced with the patellar ligament, I'm back to a full 100%
lifestyle (skiing chutes, windsurfing etc..) My brother had his ACL replaced with
a Kevlar strap, he is only back 40%. Our Therapies were totally different also,
mine was very aggressive PT, his was none for 2 months, then gradually building
up. I saw the 49ers team surgeon he saw the Red Sox Surgeon.

I would have surgery again in a minute, My brother would "go to my surgeon"

Alot of articles are out there, check your library (Powder) and doctors
references and best of luck!



Sanford H. Russell Jr.

Silicon Graphics
From: iyer@juju.wpd.sgi.com (Mahadevan Iyer)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: USRSA benefits and how to join
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:57:54 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Does the lift ticket discount apply to the resorts
at Tahoe. If you are a member and could get a 
discount at Tahoe please let me know.
Thanks
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:41:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Skiing at Steamboat
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
> >   I think Steamboat is one of Colorado's nicer ski areas. 
> >   They have some of the most challanging black diamond
> 
>  Not. They certainly have some fine cruising and (when I was there) some
>  fabulous snow, but difficult runs? ...in their dreams. That's not to say
>  that Steamboat isn't a great hill, it actually is a pretty dang nice place
>  to ski. It just shouldn't be considered a challenging expert area. If
>  that's what you're looking for then you should be elsewhere.
>

We've discussed this before, but I couldn't let this pass...

Steamboat doesn't have steeps, chutes, cliffs, etc. that some people equate
to challenging expert runs.  It just has tree skiing, the best and most
challenging in the world.

Try skiing the fall line in those aspen trees.  I'm not talking about
Twilight or Shadows where they've thinned the trees, try Flying Z, or 
Hurrican, 2:30 or 4 Points lift line area.  

Have trouble seeing the next turn in the bumps in flat light?  Try skiing
between two conifers.  Will there be an aspen right in from of you?  A
big rock?

Miss a turn in the bumps?  Just pick up the next line.  Miss a turn in the
trees and break bones.

Steeps get you puckered-up?  Try getting a little air off a rock in the
trees (that you didn't see) and bet-your-body that you'll be able to make
that first turn after you land.

Try Steamboat.

John

P.S. For those of you who've never skied aspen trees, remember this; they
don't have any branches down low to cushion the impact like conifers do.
They are solid and hard.  However, this lack of branches has its good side
in that you can see a long way through them: a thick maze of immobile 
slalom poles you have to decipher at high speed.
From: jtyl@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BJ)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing Safety OOCY stories
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:11:00 GMT
Distribution: can
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan27.154556.13919@gandalf.ca>, edlee@gandalf.ca (Ed Lee) writes...

>These patrollers also have a nickname for those really bad
>skiers who cause all kinds of problems (nothing to do with
>their skiing ability that is):  SPORE - Stupid People On
>Rented Equipment, or SPOTOE - Stupid People On Their Own
>Equipment.

Here is a SPORE story:

Two SPOREs were following each other down a hill.  SPORE #1 spots a little
rise next to a lift tower, decides that he is going to get real close to
the pylon and get some air.  He did get a little air, but one of his skis
caught a bit of the concrete foundation.  SPORE #1 came down spinning,
one ski flying in the air, and splattered himself all over the hill.  
SPORE #2, watching his friend performing his cool acrobatics, decided
that he was going to one-up his pal.  SPORE #2 follows SPORE #1, 
except that he was going to get even closer to the pylon.  Both of
SPORE #2's skis hit the cement foundation.  SPORE #2 flew through the
air, leaving both skis resting next to the lift tower, did a face plant,
and slid on his nose until he rammed SPORE #1.  Fortunately (or 
unfortunately) both were unhurt.  They sat up laughing.

Honestly, the cement foundation could not have been more than 3 inches
wider than the tower itself.  You have to try really hard to hit
the cement without hitting the tower!

I am not making this up!  ..... SPORES !!! ....

Here's the rest of the story:  they got their tickets yanked.  The
SPORES happened to have done this right next to a group of not less
than half a dozen patrollers.

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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: kurtray@sco.COM (Kurt J. Raymond)
Subject: Expert skier traveler's advisory to Tahoe (Was: No one skiing at Tahoe?)
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:22:44 GMT


Expert skiers with travel plans to Tahoe in the near future should consider
cancelling and picking an alternate location, due to the icy conditions
caused by rain and wind on Weds-Thurs 20-21 January.  However, conditions
are very good for beginner to advanced skiers on groomed runs.

Sources at Squaw Valley reported up to 4 inches of rain fell, and winds
reached speeds of up to 130 MPH, during the storm, and the snow level was
above 8000 feet.  The result is that all expert terrain is closed at
resorts including Squaw, Alpine Meadows, and Sugar Bowl, due to extremely
icy conditions.  For example, all of KT-22 at Squaw Valley is closed, with
the exception of the saddle on the back side; similar restrictions are in
place at the Headwall chair.

A source at Sugar Bowl said "In order for conditions to improve, a wet snow
will be needed to adhere to the ice, followed by a foot or more of dry snow
to provide a reasonable base."

Note that these are unofficial sources.  Official sources such as the ski
report phone line are reporting "packed powder" conditions, with no mention
of the icy conditions.

Again, this advisory is only for expert skiers; skiers that ski groomed
runs will not be affected.
						-kurtray

In article <21743@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu writes:
>An article in today's Sunday San Francisco Examiner reported that Lake
>Tahoe businesses are complaining that media reports have scared off tourists
>from visiting the area at a time of the best snowfall in years.
>
>Businesses have apparently complained about weather reports on local TV
>stations in California, especially in the Bay Area, where a large number of
>skiiers come from. The reports are exaggerated, according to businesses.
>
>The businesses have also complained that the highway patrol and Caltrans have
>needlessly shut down roads leading to the resort area.
>
>Public officials cite public safety concerns; weather broadcasters say they
>have a responsibility to look after the public's safety as well.
>
>Public officials also said that sometimes Tahoe's weather is all right, while
>up the western slopes of the Sierra Nevada, it may be snowing buckets.
>
>Anyone notice a drop off in skiiers on the slopes? Maybe now's a good time to 
>get up there.
>
>Dan
>deherrin@ucdavis.edu

-- 

Kurt J. Raymond     Engineering Services  The Santa Cruz Operation
408-427-7427        Sr.  Account Manager  email: kurtray@sco.com
From: mr@delfin.com (Mark Rosenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Deep slab instability in Sierra?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:10:10 GMT
Reply-To: mark@delfin.com
Distribution: ca
Organization: Delfin Systems, Sunnyvale CA


Anyone dug a snow pit recently. Normally, I don't worry too much about
deep slab instability in the Sierra but with that amount of snow and the
speed with which it came down I wonder if there aren't a few weak layers
way down there.

-- 
Mark Rosenberg
internet:mark@delfin.com
phone: (408) 562-1126	fax: (408) 748-1140
snail: Delfin Systems, 3000 Patrick Henry Drive, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1814
From: hultquist@vnet.ibm.com (Stephen S. Hultquist)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 13:37:53 MST
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Fred

hi
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mdrews@iguana.dsd.es.com (Michael Drews)
Subject: Re: Skiing: goggles, glasses and FOG!
Keywords: Help me!
Reply-To: mdrews@iguana.dsd.es.com (Michael Drews)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 15:28:18 GMT

I would like to put in a word of warning on the goggles with a fan inside.
The fan can do some serious damage to your face during certain "face plant"
style falls.  This has not happened to me or anyone I know directly, but a 
"friend of a friend" cut a nice strip of skin off the front of his nose 
this way.  I am not familiar with the different fan designs, but recommend 
that users give some thought to what might happen in some falls.  Of course 
glasses might cause just as much damage.

I have no association with any goggle manufacturers, and deliberately 
avoided mentioning any manufacturers by name.

				Michael Drews
-- 
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"I said 'Littering,' and they all moved away from me on the Group W bench.
'and creating a disturbance,' - and they all moved back."  - A. Guthrie
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Fred
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:23:13 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 22 Jan 93 20:37:53 GMT, hultquist@vnet.ibm.com (Stephen S. Hultquist) said:

ssh> hi

Boy, Steve, that's fascinating!  When will you learn to *not* use a live
newsgroup for your tests, huh?!?!?!		*blush*
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Ski to live, live to ski                                           ISSC Boulder
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: UTAH Beer ???
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:19:23 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <george.727646890@windslc> george@windslc.nrel.gov writes:
>4) There is no such thing as '6.4% beer' in the US. Certain beers (German
>Dopplebocks, Belgian ales, some US microbrewery products) may be in this
>range, but there is no '6.4% Budweiser'. (Anybody know the alcohol content
>of stuff like Schlitz Malt Liquor?)


Many local mircobrews are indeed in this alcohol content range.  You
want to see a bunch of "Beer snobs" and spoiled beer drinkers, come
to the Pacific NorthWest.  Microbrews abound.  Budweiser sucks.

One of the local brewpubs has a sign over the bud tap:  "Not a
snowballs chance in hell."  I haven't had a 'bud' in years....


p.s.  Thanks for all the input on Red Mountain, Canada.  We're all
set to go.  May the Powder Gods dump on Red in the next 2 weeks.
I'll post a trip report if I ever make it back [8^).

Ken Berger
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bannan@convex.com (Bill Bannan)
Subject: Attention Northeast Pin-Heads
Organization: Albany NY office of CONVEX Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:47:49 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

  Attention NE Pin Heads..

   Kare Anderson is having his Telemark Weekend at Bromely on Feb. 13 & 14.
 Clinics & equipment demo's on Saturday, citizen & expert races on Sunday.
   I had a great time last year ( & learned quite a bit too! ) I'd encourage 
 any & all Northeast Pin Heads to try to make it up to Bromely for this one!
  For anyone who's never been to Bromely, It's a few miles east of Manchester
 Vt on rt 11. It's a smaller area than some of it's neighbors ( Killington,
 Stratton, Mt Snow etc.) but by no means tiny, it seems to be the favorite
 of many of the local Pin-Heads.

  For details call 802-824-5522

-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
Bill Bannan * bannan@convex.com * Albany NY office of Convex Computer Corp
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From: blix@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Gunnar Blix)
Subject: Re: Skiing in Southern Sweden/Norway
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:54:12 GMT

malcolm@cm2f.uni-c.dk (Malcolm Brown) writes:

>Hi,

>I have been posted to Copenhagen by my company, and I would like 
>to do some skiing. Since Denmark doesn't have any snow I thought of
>Southern Sweden or Norway.

>Can anyone give me recommendations of good places for cross country or
>downhill skiing not too far from Copenhagen, which could be reached for 
>a weekend trip. 

Weekend trips are probably going to be pretty strenuous...  Getting to
Sweden is an easy thing, but you don't exactly end up in the best
terrain for skiing by taking the ferry across.  Getting to Norway is
going to cost you an airplane ticket or an overnight ferry, and then
you have to get from wherever to the ski areas, which would be a few
more hours...

There are small ski hills in Oslo.  Maybe you could make it a long
weekend and have fun on the boat accross.  You have to go a couple of
hours from Oslo to get to anything with several lifts (Kongsberg,
Norefjell).  Taking the boat across to Kristiansand would probably put
you closer to some areas in Telemark (yup, you guessed it, that's
where the name of that weird style of skiing comes from :-).

About Sweden, the Swedes can probably answer you better.  All I know
is that Aare is out of the way for you.

And then there is always the possibility of going south.  There should
be several reasonably priced offers for trips to Austria, France,
Switzerland, and such.

Go visit a travel agent when you get there.





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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: kurtray@sco.COM (Kurt J. Raymond)
Subject: Re: skiing in May
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:45:47 GMT


In article <1993Jan18.150426.27696@cs.yale.edu< jhh@waldzell.physics.yale.edu (Jim Horne) writes:
<In article <1993Jan17.152247.28708@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>  
<shawn@grok90.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Shawn Shealy) writes:
<> Where can one snow-ski in May?
<> 
<> I am starting to plan my honeymoon which will take place
<> from 5/15/1993-5/31/1993.  We both enjoy snow skiing.
<
<It depends on how you define good skiing, but Mt. Bachelor in Oregon usually  
<closes on July 4. They've been getting lots of snow this year, so they may be  
<open even later this year. They'll have plenty of snow, but it may be a bit  
<slushy. 

Three years ago we were up at Mt. Bachelor for Memorial Weekend (last
weekend in May)  Would you believe we got 9" of light, fluffy powder??
Honest Injun!  Had a great time, plus it was *cheap*.  Actually, this 
is the best time to ski Mt. Bachelor, because you stand the best chance
of catching the summit chair actually being open, and this is where the
best terrain is (IMHO).
						-kurtray

-- 

Kurt J. Raymond     Engineering Services  The Santa Cruz Operation
408-427-7427        Sr.  Account Manager  email: kurtray@sco.com
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: poahbear@leland.Stanford.EDU (David G Lawson)
Subject: Whistler/Blackcomb Report
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:03:32 GMT

     Monday January 25th ,   7:30am


        -3C (Alpine) 0C (Valley)
        35cm New (Overnight) 
        188cm Base
        Packed Powder
 
        Expecting an additional 30cm today.

    
     
From: jaym@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Miazga)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:57:29 GMT
Subject: Re: SKI SCHOOL Alta vs SnowBird
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA