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From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Buying First Skis
Organization: Telecom Research Labs,Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:26:25 GMT

In article <5134@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> tanikay@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Tanya Boysen) writes:
>Subject line says most of it.
>
	[...]
>  
>Any recommendations on inexpensive bindings?  

All the modern bindings are "good".  Each have their slightly different
features, but they all usually release when necessary. Of course, no
bindings are perfect, or there would almost never be any knee
injuries.  The lower end bindings in each manufacturers range tend to
have slightly softer springs, and will possibly pre-release (open when
they don't really need to, usually under impulsive forces) a little
more, which is probably a good thing for beginner/intermediate skiers,
depending on your knee strength.  The top end bindings will possibly be
constructed for lighter weight, and have a little more attention to
prevent pre-release. Your bindings should be operated in the middle of
the spring range (probably around 3-5 for a lower intermediate, but
there are charts for this which take your weight, height and knee size
into account).

Also, for safety, manually operate the bindings a few times before each
ski trip, particularly the toe-pieces.  Tests have shown that when they
have not been used for a while, the release force can be up to 3 times
the nominal rating. This is particularly important for the first trip
of the season.

>
>I would like to get shiny new skis, but would consider used demo skis - 
>what are the advantages/disadvantages to these?

I wouldn't buy used skis, you don't know where they've been :-). 

The disadvantage is that skis can be bent or the camber flattened by
hard skiing, and this is difficult to tell with a cursory inspection,
particularly if they have been bent back into shape.  Depending upon
where they've been skiid, they may also have damaged edges/bases, but
this is easy to see.  A good test for edge condition (if they look ok
visually) is to run the flat part of your fingernail along the edge with
light - moderate pressure, and see if the edge leaves a nicely defined
line.  If so, it is sharp.

The disadvantage of shiny new skis is that they are more of a temptation to
light fingers.

Don't buy your skis too short, the extra stability with length is a big
plus.  Depending on your build, they should probably be at least 10cm longer
than your height.

You should be able to meet your budget with new equipment from one of those
warehouses in SF.

good luck

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
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From: tjb@isl.Stanford.EDU (Tom Brosnan)
Subject: Ski pics
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 22:07:33 GMT

Ok Ski bums,

I'm looking for some nice digitized ski 
pictures (gif, jpeg, whatever).  Something
like a Powder magazine shot!  A nice 
backdrop of deep snow for my workstation
might help me through this hot Californian 
summer.  Post to net or e-mail me directly
(bruce@margaux.stanford.edu, *not* tjb@...).  

Thanks,

Bruce.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Need New Skis
From: cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu (Christopher J. Ambler, Phish)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:09:12 GMT
Organization: Fantasy, Incorporated: Reality None of Our Business.

Well, the first issue of "skiing" arrived today, which means it's time to
start thinking about snow. I find this year that the shareware business
is doing pretty well by me, and so it's time to get some new skis. I've been
thinking about "all terrain" skis, since I prefer a mix of bumps and steep
narrow runs.

Does anyone have any recommendations? I'll also be replacing my boots, which
died last season, if there are any combinations that are particularly good.
If it matters, I'm looking at 190s, and I'd classify myself as an advanced-
intermediate (blue runs well, black runs with some embarassment).

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From: jason@dsd.es.com (Jason S. Ehrhart)
Subject: More pix anybody...
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Keywords: pictures to sigh by...
Reply-To: jason@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans and Sutherland, Salt Lake City, Utah
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:33:29 GMT

I'll probabily just stop posting my JPEG's them to rec.skiing
to prevent any bad blood on the net. But, I do have a wonderful 
JPEG file (not in GIF format, they _do_ take up too much space) 
of Alta during the middle summer. The picture is taken from 
near the middle of the Sugarloaf life and views the Pt. Supreme 
and Catherin'e Pass. If anybody wants them, drop me some e-mail, 
but do it _fast_ cause my last day at work here is tomorrow!

-- 
jason ehrhart jason@dsd.es.com  
evans and sutherland
580 arapeen drive           Perspective, use it or lose it.
salt lake city, ut, 84158   (801) 582-5847 x4812 
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From: jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com ( John Salmi )
Subject: Re: Re: Colour of sunglasses
Organization: US West Information Technologies, Denver
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:47:40 GMT

In article <122930166@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli) writes:
>
>I used to swear by Vuarnets too until I borrowed my wife's Sunclouds.
>They have a pink tint. I find that the pink gives better contrast than
>yellow.
>
>bruno.

i also have a pair of sunclouds that i've had for, umm, 4 yrs (since i started
skiing!).  i've had the opportunity to try various oakley's ( my wife swears
by oakleys ), vuarnets, bolles, etc...  i find that the rose tint which the
sunclouds offer does indeed offer a good contrast.  but then again, it's what
YOUR eyes like to see.  i NEED a darker lens during the day, as my eyes are
sorta weak in bright sunlight. 

man, i can't WAIT for the snow to fly here in colo.  every time i look up
at the mountains, and see those small snowfields on the continental divide,
i just wanna go Go GO!


cheers,

-- 
John Salmi		<jsalmi@uswest.com>		(303) 595-2863

Last night, as I lay awake in bed looking at the stars, I asked myself:
                     Where the heck is my roof?
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From: tpatter@col.hp.com (Terry Patterson)
Subject: Re: Deep Start Barefoot anyone??
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:59:17 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


Brian,

I posted the same question a few weeks ago and the following
is some information I received from kevo in Florida.  It
really helped me.....


**********************************************************
A few hints to help with the Deep-up from above.
1) cross your toes over the rope when you are lying in the water.
   this will let you push down on the rope as you get up to speed
   while sliding. Doing this helps to stop the porpoising that
   you will encounter. (trust me it happens to everyone). A side
   to this, When and if you let go of the handle, be sure to hold
   on a 1/2 sec. longer and spread your feet first, I've seen
   way to many broken feet from not doing this.

2) When you are lying in the water and the boat starts to go, arch
   your back REALLY hard. This will help you to plane quicker. Once
   you are up on top of the water, then sit up into a sitting
   position. Keep your feet on the rope untill right before
   you are to plant them and keep pressure down on the rope
   to keep stability. It probably still will take a couple trys
   to get the balance to not roll over, but stick with it
   and it will come. (remember to spread your feet when you let go)

3) When you are arching our back, let your arms out straight,
   but keep the handle as close to your hips as possible.
   hopefully you can picture this, but anything you ever do
   behind a boat, this will make it easier. Kepp the handle as
   close to your hips as possible. You should actually feel the
   ends of the handle against your hipbones as you are arching
   your back. Once planing and in the sitting position, still
   keep the handle down against your hips for stability.

4) The boat should take off about the same as for a deep water
   slalom start, stay relativiley slow (15-20mph) for the first
   100 feet or so. There are a set of 3 stern rollers that happen
   every time a boat takes off from a standing start. Once the
   skier has bounced over these (and hopefully not fallen) then
   floor it up to normal barefooting speed.


May you always find the galssy water.

Kevo.
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:59:39 GMT
Subject: Re: FAQ stuff again
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

Oh, I suppose I should also mention that once this sucker gets whipped
into shape, and once the ski season starts, it will be posted in pieces,
probably one section a week or something like that. 

 ..glen
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear)
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:17:34 GMT

From article <1992Aug20.070243.16429@nas.nasa.gov>, by eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya):
> In article <1992Aug15.004706.27182@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com
> (Grant Robinson) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug14.142103.977@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
> bep1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (bentz.e.puryear) writes:
>>> This is unlimited vertical helicopter lift (the last week of this ski 
>>> season for this).
>>That's strange, after the last week of the season, the prices go up!  Must
>>cost a million bucks to go in the summer :)
> 
> Well!  Unlimited vertical is pretty rare.  You should take this.
> If you are in shape, this is clearly the way to go; others
> challenging you got get over limits.
> Most guides give you something like 100K for a week or 10,000-21,000 for
> a day (if one does not do a single run), and you pay for ft extra over
> these limits.  And you have to have a full ship.
> 

They only do this during the early part of the year. The week I went was the
last week for unlimited vertical. But you have to remember they are far north
and the length of the day is shorter. They can not lift after sun set. Even
so the group I skied with got in 127,000 feet in six days. We had one day
down. Also the temp is very cold it was -40 f.. They had trouble getting the
helicopters going because of the cold.

-- 
====================================================================
Bentz Puryear (303)488-6120  (ncsc8!bep)     AT&T TSC
8300 E. Maplewood Ave.
Englewood, Colorado 80111        POWDER SKIING THE PATH TO SALVATION
From: bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Buying First Skis
Date: 20 Aug 1992 12:06:34 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grendle.think.com

In article <1992Aug20.070735.2518@osf.org>, david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
|> 
|> Which, if you can face it, cover the nice shiny new paintwork with some stickers, name or something easy to see.   As I don't intend selling my skis I'm not interested in keeping them looking nice.  I would take a can of black paint to them but would imagine the solvent would damage the ski ?
 
I dont think so.  Although I've never done it, I know of two people who have
blacked out their brand new Dynaster Coupe De Mondes.  They used flat black
spray paint (masked everything but the tops - prior to mounting bindings) 
and painted "WAR BOARDS" on top of the black in flourescent colors.  This was
done in response to numerous ski thefts.  It seems drastic but so is $500-$600
for new skis (plus bindings).

|> In fact my last pair are 'knockin' on heavens door' but the new Salamon Monocoques look good, anyone know this ski ?

My "Old Faithfuls" are also about to be retired.  Soon to be replaced by a
flat black pair of Salamon S2 Equipes  (I know its a crime to paint them
but I'd rather ski them than show them off). 
I haven`t skied them yet but will probably buy them on the reccomendation
of a few very trustworthy skiing partners.  The word is, Very light and
responsive with superior edge hold, fairly stable at higher speeds
(for a slalom ski).

Bob Schwartz
Thinking Machines Corp.
Cambridge MA

From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:53:37 GMT
Subject: Re: wrong health care, and WON'T pay for it
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, vaccaro@novavax.UUCP (N. Trafford Vaccaro) writes:

> I would urge the snow skiiers(sp?) out there to avoid Winter Park
>  Colorado for a vacation. For a synopsis of why:

> [ Medical horror story }

 Whoa boy. Ah say, hold on there. Poor medical care, years and years
 ago, at a clinic that may have nothing to do with Winter Park
 other than the fact that they're geographically adjacent, hardly 
 seems a justification for recommending that everybody steer clear
 of the ski area.

 ..glen
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: poahbear@leland.Stanford.EDU (David G Lawson)
Subject: Re: Whistler, British Columbia
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 02:15:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.174722.27267@walter.cray.com> sonic@artgate.cray.com (Curtis Swanson) writes:
>
>I was there for the first time in February.  Unfortunately, the weather really
>stunk.  Most of the time there was a good fog bank at the mid and top levels
>which made skiing interesting.  It rained every day at the bottom and kept
>the bottom third of both Whistler and Blackcomb nigh to unskiable.  However,
>I definitely waant to get back there again - the skiing I did do was
>ggrreeaatt!!!
> 
>--
>***  Curt Swanson  ***  sonic@romulus.cray.com  ***  IOTTMCO  *********
>HOME:n - That mythical place where you can go and relax.......
>I'd rather be in a coma.........

   Whistler/Blackcomb can be mighty wet in an El Nino year!
   I skiied Blackcomb the day after Christmas. It was raining quite
 steadily in the valley so many people thought that the skiing would
 be bad. BIG mistake. It started snowing at the top of the Wizard
 (about 2000' up) and I skiied the entire day on the top 3000'. It
 was wet, but the terrain made up for it. I had a better time than all
 my skiing in California and Utah this year. It's hard to go back to
 Tahoe after skiing 5000' of uninterrupted trails at Blackcomb. California
 needs some vertical!!

  Anyone heard what's new at Blackcomb/Whistler this season ?
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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Ski Clubs in NH
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Distribution: ne
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:47:11 GMT

I'm looking for information about ski clubs in the North Conway
area.  Someone is supposedly sending me info (the blue book?), but 
I haven't received it yet.  

If you know of such a club, I'd like to hear about it.

Thanks,

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Steamboat
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898)
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:14:47 GMT
Organization: Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power

>How are the blues and greens at Steamboat?  My wife and I are trying to come up
>with a good deal for the end of December (when our nephew can come along).  Our
>nephew will probably spend lots of time on the greens (first trip) and my wife
>and I rarely venture past blues [my skill-level and her old injuries :-)].


Steamboat has very little steep terrain and extensive grooming.  The
greens are very green and the blues are pretty easy too.  Most of the
black diamond skiing is from lack of grooming, not because the runs
are steep or narrow (except for priest creek where the aspens get pretty
tight).  Steamboat sounds like a perfect choice for your group.




-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Carlson Peters			L.A. Dept. of Water & Power
carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us	111 N. Hope St., Room 1129
213.481.7898			L.A. CA 90012
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dmccarro@sedona.intel.com (David McCarroll)
Subject: Re: Salida, Colorado--Monarch Ski Area?
Originator: dmccarro@sedona
Reply-To: dmccarro@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:56:44 GMT


> My parents are getting a cabin in Salida, Colorado.  Monarch Ski Area
> is right near there (18 miles).  I've never been there.  How is it?
> I do know that the vertical is not all that hot (1000 feet).  Anyone
> been there?
>  
> Go Chiefs!!
> 
When I lived in Colorado, I skied there many times. It's somewhat
close to Colorado Springs. Honestly, I only skied there because
of discount lift tickets. There are not many runs, all short.
Most time on weekends in spent in the lift lines. Monarch is 
marginal even at a 45 inch base. Once the base get up there, there
are a few, short, but ok bump runs. Base lodge is small and unless
things have changed, there are no real accomodations near by. 
By the way, when in Colorado, it's Go Broncos.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: yearly heliskiing note
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:39:55 GMT

launce@apollo.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate) writes:
>   > Heliskiing is not for the weak at heart.

Kinda like skiing all day on West Rustler with no one else on the
hill.

>   > It's obnoxious to X-C'ers in many areas 

>Yeah, no shit. One of the best days of last years dismal season, we
>were slowly making our way up Cardiac bowl when the PowderTurd helis

Support Heli-Free Wasatch.  Vote Democrat.  Kick Garn in the gnarches
for unethical use of his senatorial influence on the Forest Service.
Make 'pinner ownership of Stingers legal.  Where's Rudolf when ya need
him?














-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Subject: Re: Colour of sunglasses
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:01:33 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Aug13.053136.22315@micor.ocunix.on.ca> toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira) writes:

>In article <397@mx1> clive@mcdd1.uucp (Clive Backham) writes:
>>I have a question for all you experienced skiers out there:
>>
>>What colour sunglasses do you recommend to maximise contrast
>>on those dull, overcast days that flatten out all the shadows
>>and make it difficult to see the details of the surface?

I would reccomend NO COLOR, go with the REVO full transmission
lenses, I like them much better then my Vuarnets.

Dave

From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:28:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Knees. . .
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:

>  Any hope of preventing this?   Let me guess: fitness, skill, luck?

 Well, those look to be good guesses to me! 

 ..glen
From: pmck@ebony.lle.rochester.edu (Patrick McKenty)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Whistler opening date????
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:34:16 GMT
Reply-To: pmck@ebony.lle.rochester.edu (Patrick McKenty)
Organization: UofR Laboratory for Laser Energetics


 does anyone out there know when whistler is opening this year?
 we are going to be in seattle in mid november and were wondering
 if we could ski up there for a couple of days.
				
						thanks in advance
						   
						     pat
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: uchpcjv@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Bump Run Info. Request/Quest
Reply-To: uchpcjv@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:27:14 GMT

Bump Fanatics;
I am interested in taking a Western U.S. ski trip this winter primarily to ski
bump runs -- lots of them.  Please Email me a list of your favorite areas/
specific runs notorious for high-quality bumps.  Much Appreciated.

JV
Bozeman, MT

P.S.  All you Winter Park/Mary Jane lunatics need not bother Emailing...quite
likely you're blessed w/ the highest concentration of excellent bumps in the
entire US (maybe the world)!
From: SCHROEDE@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: sand-boarding
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:34:47 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

In <122930165@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM writes:

> > So what does the sand do to the bottom of a snowboard.
> 
> Same as stone grinding. It gets the bottom smooth so that you are ready
> for the snow. Saves you the $30 you would have to pay to get your base
> tuned.
> 
> bruno.

ha.  but you might have to spend 30 on new t-bolts after they get ground
out.  
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: jsalmi@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com ( John Salmi )
Subject: Re: Page me for powder (Re: rec.skiing FAQ 08/7)
Organization: US West Information Technologies, Denver
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:51:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.225200.7063@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>
>>I put my stuff in a cooler when I ski Alta so that it doesn't freeze
>>before the end of the day. Wicked cold there ya know.. wicked cold.
>
>I thought so 'til I talked with some folks from Minnesota!!!
>-- 
><> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com                           /  <>
><>                 <>   (this *often* works)       __o      o   ,______/o  <>
><> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,  -\<,     <\   ,__/   >   <>
><>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks      O/ O  __ /__,       /    <>

yah sure.  being born/raised in minnesota, lemme second that one.  esp
northern minn (grep up in a small town called hibbing - waaaay up there).

cold becomes a way of life.  the north shore of lake superior has 2 months
of summer.  maybe.

i like colorado MUCH better.

cheers,
-- 
John Salmi		<jsalmi@uswest.com>		(303) 595-2863

Last night, as I lay awake in bed looking at the stars, I asked myself:
                     Where the heck is my roof?
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From: toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira)
Subject: Re: Colour of sunglasses
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:31:36 GMT

In article <397@mx1> clive@mcdd1.uucp (Clive Backham) writes:
>I have a question for all you experienced skiers out there:
>
>What colour sunglasses do you recommend to maximise contrast
>on those dull, overcast days that flatten out all the shadows
>and make it difficult to see the details of the surface?

Yellow. I have a pair of Vuarnet Ski-V's, and I personally have no use for
naked-eye viewing any more B-). They increase the contrast of _everything_,
whether skiing in winter or rollerblading in summer (or just existing for that
matter). I swear violently by them. They are, however, not cheap...but mine are
several years old - if you take care of them they don't scratch (even if you
drop them on concrete they don't, actually).

But you asked what colour - they are yellow. When you first wear them, you will
notice the yellow tinge, but after awhile you adapt and can perceive colour
normally whether wearing them or not. The only ill effect I've found with them
is when I'm driving close to dusk...when it gets dark enough that I take them
off, it can be a little hard to see, since you're going from high-contrast to
normal, plus the normal poor visibility of dusk (most accidents at that time of
day).


-- 
Marc Sira               |
toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca  |  "Your god drinks...P-P-Peach nectar!"
                        '
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:57:43 GMT
Subject: rec.skiing FAQ 05/7
Organization: What, me? Organized?