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Date:         Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:43:00 EDT
From:         5_DCOREY@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU
Subject:      Re: INSULTING PRINCE

 Okay, okay. Everybody calm down. I'm glad I got the attention of some of
you - those who like Prince & those who could care less about him. Back
when 1999 came out I just thought of Prince as some wierdo in a purple
jacket, so I can identify with all of you who don't particularly like
the sound of him screaming on an album. But Adam, whereever you are,
relax. I, as the originator of the Prince message last Thursday, do no
(sorry) do not take your top ten list as an insult. It wasn't extremely
humorous either, but I chuckled a little!
 "You need to come to your senses. There are no KINGS in this world,
   only princes!............who suck farts from dead wet ducks?!.."

Peace!                                Darice
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:23:32 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: House and spirituality ?

On Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:46:18 GMT Hendrik Jan Veenstra said:
>Madame Palindrome <watson@HG.ULETH.CA> writes:
>
>>Hendrik said:
>
>>>What's legal over here? Almost anything I suppose...:)
>
>>hendrik, baby... need a roomie?
>
>Uhoh... and again my knowledge and understanding of Anglo-american slang
>doesn't suffice to reveal the meaning of this statement...:)
>
>And could now someone explain the 'roomie' remark to me? You native English-
>speakers often seem to forget that we, non-native English speakers, are
>precisely that: *non-native* English speakers...
>
Roomie = Roommate.  Person who shares sleeping quarters with one.  Libby,
I'm sure, would share more than the quarters :-) but I'll let her speak for
herself--or at least, let Madame Palindrome speak for her.

By the bye:  in answer to "Madam, I'm Adam", you never got your proper reply,
Carol:  (-: "Eve" :-)
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:35:18 CST
From:         Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A Capella and teleology
              16 Nov 1992 23:38:04 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:38:04 -0500 <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
Marsha sez:

>The Wilhousky is great - I did it with a 300 piece orchestra and a
>400-voice choir...talk about musical orgasm!!!!

You did what? With how many?  Better watch it, Libby Doe is not going to
like it!  She's going to be jealous and drooling to the max...

>
>I actually did get to have my dream - I sang on Beethoven's 9th two years

Undoubtedly a wet dream; shades of Dante and Beatrice.

>ago with a 200-person orchestra, 4 fabulous soloists and 450 voices in the
>choir! I was high on the adrenalin for days!!!

Again these numbers are nothing if not staggering; they boggle the mind.

>
>Marsha, the tired and depressed....

Tired I can understand, but depressed??  This is enough to last several
lifetimes.  Libby, eat your heart out!  You got some serious competiton here.

Renato
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:03:43 EST
From:         RTURNBUL@TOROVM1.VNET.IBM.COM
Subject:      30 lashes with a wet noodle...

>Do your list housekeeping (ie. nomail, signoff) before you let an auto reply
>program handle your mail while your gone.

>*the* Bob (Mr. Turnbull) has broken this rule and I have dispatched Libby
>to issue a thorough net spanking.

>Please, I repeat, please do not sent 30 meg chain letters to his account in
>retaliation as *I* would never encourage such heinous acts...

>- Carol, second in command to the netiquette monitor (he's sleeping)...

Spanking received...Sorry everyone. Not only am I a newbie at ALLMUSIC, I'm
still new to the net and haven't quite learned all the ins and outs. Thanks for
not inundating me with flamage...

Man, do I feel like a dweeb...

OMC: Well, I'll probably just get coal in my stocking (or a Sinead album) for
     being such a bad boy, but I'm looking at the B.B. King boxed set and
     anything by Hawkwind.

Bob (feeling all of 2 foot 3 today) Tee

P.S. Libby was very methodical about the lashing (though I believe she enjoyed
it immensely).
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Date:         Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:34:11 -0500
From:         "Vampire Lestat" <wk00636@WORLDLINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: Bonzo, Toyah, and Miles in Musicland

Like the reply but if you're just going to write it off as *drug* experiences
then you're missing out on my point.
First off I haven't done drugs, second off I lived with these attitudes of
yours for about a year and I have heard them all, "of course everythings
peaceful look at all the drugs that you guys do...".

I am sorry that you write off something because of your own prejudged ideas
about my own experiences.

I also agree with you on actually talking to people, even though that didn't
come out in my message I agree that only through the talking that you speak
of can we understand the other *people's of the world* as you so nicely put
it.

I'm sure I'll talk to ya again Mr. Positively Negative.
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:26:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      re: Goin' to the Chapel, Queensryche Video

Enya Foxy Bob sez:

>Got the Queensryche _Building Empires_ video this weekend.  Most of the
[.........]
>It's a pity that they included "Della Brown" from _Unplugged_ since I
>thought that was one of their weakest performances of "Della".  I would
>much rather have seen their _Unplugged_ version of "The Lady Wore Black".
>Also, the video of "Anybody Listening?" is the truncated version with
>the fade on the end.

You can catch the whole unplugged show...
                          ..
Forwarded from the Queensryche net digest without permission:

>        berrios@phebos.aps.anl.gov (Joe) writes,
>                I called MTV and they said that they will replay the MTV
>        Unplugged that featured Queensryche on Dec. 6 at 10 PM.  The
>        information hotline is (212) 258-8858.  I hope that with this
>        information everyone that was begging to get a copy of this show,
>        including myself, can record it.

...so there ya have it.

Seeya,
Gary
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:24:40 -0500
From:         The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Hey listowner. what happened to my messagE?

From: CMBIRCH%INDSVAX1.BITNET@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Hey listowner. what happened to my messagE?
>Hey. I sent a message about 7 hours ago concerning the music
>tracks on the film/documentary Charlie Mopic Company.
>Why hasn't it been put on yet?
>
>Jade
>aka: pissed

It made its rounds. Mellow out.

-Adam

P.S. You should feel privileged. It's not often that I post a one-liner.
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Date: 19 Nov 92 00:30:55 GMT
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              18 Nov 1992 12:43:55 EST from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

On Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:43:55 EST Sonia Kovitz said:
>On another subject: I hate to bring up the DREAD M-PERSON but a friend of mine
>works in the library in Rare Books/Special Collections, and she told me about
>the hilarious almost medieval ritual that transpired when the Dread M-Person's
>latest book arrived.  While most volumes languish for days, weeks, months,
>years, or centuries in the Pre-Cat area, this one was hand-carried by an honor
>guard through ACquisitions, Cataloging, etc. etc. STRAIGHT up to Rare Books.

Sonia/Allmusicdom: Let me add some perspective to your (com)plaint, and this
is right out of my specialty.  In ancien regime Spain in order to read banned
books, one had to obtain a permit from the crown.  It was not easy to come by
as the DREADED Inquisitorial Index became increasingly long over time.  But we
are fortunate to have the *applications* for the licenses, and guess what, the
bulk of them come from clerics and members of the Inquisition, eager to peruse
and study the forbidden works so as to better combat them! (Right! And if you
believe that I have some land... and all that).

>And then a long line of library employees showed up, waiting to view it.
>Damn, why doesn't this happen with Wittgenstein or Tolstoy or Emily Dickinson
>or Proust or Cervantes or Flaubert?

Based on the above reasoning, the library employees should be commended for
lining up to wage battle against the unspeakable M.  I rest my case.

Renato "With plenty to say but little time to do it"

>
>Sonia "nothing to put in quotes today"
From: USTS060@RUST1.DPO.UAB.EDU (Dave)
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Subject: Birthday
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:58:53 GMT
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    Well, after many hours of intense prayer, scanning my backlogs of
Allmusic mail, consultation with my communities other religious
leaders and the sacrifice of a goat (well, my ham sandwich, but goat
sounds better) i've come to the conclusion that Renato has just
turned...(insert dramatic drum roll, accompanied with mounting
tension)...48.  Bless you my child and have a happy birthday.  ;-)>
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:57:58 CST
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From:         Little Inquisitor <U17801@UICVM.BITNET>

It's difficult to overstate the importance of having reference librarians among
 your friends.
               Renato "Aspiring traffic cop" Barahona
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Subject:      MUSIC, ETC., DISCUSSION LISTS
To:           "Renato Barahona" <U17801@UICVM.BITNET>

I've checked our computer center's listings for music discussion lists
and found the following:
JAZZ-L@TEMPLEVM.BITNET  (the host to which you send the subscription
order is LISTSERV@TEMPLEVM.BITNET)
ALLMUSIC@AUVM.BITNET  (already mentioned someone else's message as a
general music forum)
CLASSM-L@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (host: LISTSERV@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU)
"...created to discuss classical music of all kinds.  All topic and
periods are welcome, from Gregorian chants to George Crumb."
EARLYM-L@AEARN.BITNET   (host: LISTSERV@AEARN.BITNET)  "Anything about
early music, including comments/questions about records, books,
performances, song texts & translations, encoding early music scores in
electronic form, concert/festival announcements."
VW5EARN@AWIWUW11.BITNET  (host has same name; contact Gerhard Gonter
[GONTER@AWIWUW11.BITNET] for more info on this list and the one just
above)   Same description as EARLYM-L.
78-L@CORNELL.EDU    (host: LISTSERV@CORNELL.EDU)  "Open to collectors
and lovers of all kinds of music [of the pre-LP era], such as early jazz
and blues, big bands, show music, vaudeville, classical, etc., as well
as spoken word and other historical recordings.  We also welcome
discussion of recording history, discography, the collectors' market,
and vintage phonographs.
OPERA-L@BRFAPESP.BITNET   (host: MAILSERV@BRFAPESP.BITNET)  Discussions
of all sorts of opera topics, for both novice and expert.
PERFORM@IUBVM.BITNET  (host: LISTSERV@IUBVM.BITNET)  Medieval performing
arts
There are also a number of lists that discuss various regions, such as
Poland, which could include musical topics, and lists on various
performers (there are two on the Grateful Dead, for example), mostly of
pop music.  There are also lists in various languages, such as Yiddish,
and lists to discuss the history and culture of various time periods.
INMYLIFE@WKUVX1.BITNET is one of the latter (host:
LISTSERV@WKUVX1.BITNET), for discussion of Beatle era popular culture,
including music, from 1962 to 1974.
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:59:38 CDT
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From:         jean <SOCW9V@UHUPVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: the meaning of qualitative research

qu4litative research legitimizes investigation of the personal.  when i
used to teach quant research, students would have the hardest time
figuring out a topic to research.  at that time, we had a 3 semester
research requirement and i knew that getting students through 3
semesters of research meant that they first had to be intensely
interested in a topic.  so i would encourage them to choose a topic that
had personal meaning to them.  by the end of the 3 semesters, they would
have learned a lot about some issue of interest, but the personal in
it--their original driving force for being curious--was somehow
dissipated.  i was never really quite satisfied with results that
ended up looking at the interrelationships among 3-6 variables.  my own
experience with qual research is that one may begin with the personal;
foray out into the social, the contextual, and the abstract-theoretical;
and then, at the end of it all, return back to revisit the personal
with a much greater understanding for having made the journey.
i find it much more satisfying--and illuminating.  it reminds me of
one of my favorite quotes from t.s. elliot:

             We shall not cease from exploration
             And the end of all our exploring
             Will be to arrive where we started
             And know the place for the first time.

jean

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From: brownd@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: Re: the meaning of qualitative research
Reply-To: brownd@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:05:35 GMT

I agree with Tagg. Too often so-called qualitative research is not
explicitly reflexive about its own theoretical and methodological
presuppositions. Saying that meaning is important means nothing
because even survey-experimental-statistical research in the 
human disciplines ultimately depends on questions of meaning
(we ask folks questions, or we at least assume they understand our
instructions). Tagg says that the actor does not want to take 
the same view as the researcher. I would go so far as to say that
the research, at the end the day, does not want to (simply) take
the same view as the actor. This is where presuppositions about
what and how we do qualitative research (and I protest the
dichotomy between qualitative-quantitative being given emphasis
of other possible discoursive dichotomies) come into play and 
need to be made explicit. For example, I am especially interested
in the interpretation of life (hi)story accounts. I'd like to
hear from other 'qualitative' researchers about the theory, method
and purpose of working with such accounts. These make for an
interesting discussion because often the 'actor' is unavailable
for us to get her/his 'intended' meaning. So what's left for us
to do? And how is this situation really any different from an
interview situation where the actor co-present? In any case, I
would hope that we do more than hold a mirror to the folks we
study. That would not even count as good journalism. Interpretation
must take understanding a critical step further (see the writing
of Paul Ricoeur for example).
/sig
From: JOBETHAL@UGA.BITNET (JoBeth)
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Subject: Re: the meaning of qualitative research
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For me as a university-based researcher who conducts research in
collaboration with school-based researchers, employing naturalistic
inquiry, it's all about relationships. Because we generate questions
together, throughout the period of study (most often several years), we
are constantly interpreting what we see, hear, and feel, and what
difference our perceptions make for the communities we care about -
classroom communities, and research and teaching communities. Because we
design investigatory strategies based on our evolving questions, we
learn from each other, and are not stuck in anyone's predetermined
knowledge base or methodological repertoire. Because we analyze
together, we get to know each others' world views in a way we would not
be apt to in either informal conversation or formal writing. Being
qualitative researchers allows us to be constantly learning, learning
from each other, learning about research, learning from our data,
learning with and from children.
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From:         JANE HOOD <JHOOD@UNMB.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: test bank software

John Ford has asked me to post my replies to the list. In looking
for test bank software, I have found several publisher packages. I am
now exploring one distributed by Allyn& Bacon and will say more once
I have tried using it. It will take one's own ASCII files and
also comes with a graphics program.

Jane Hood
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From:         GOODALH@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Gary's question

Gary,
Perhaps your question could be phrased differently:
"What are the qualitative meanings of educational research?"
I agree with some commentators thus far on this query who suggest
collectively that by asking the question the way you do, you beg
that old qual/quant split.  So, for me, I think it might open
up new possibilities by discussing what qualitative researchers
find/think about/do/ do with the educational research they
produce or use.
Another note, same tune:  I AM an ethnographer, which is expressed
through what I do.  This is different, for me, than suggesting that
ethnographic work (as a variety of qualitative inquiry) is simply
a set of techniques that can be acquired and reproduced like any
other method.  Ethnography is a life, not a lifestyle.
Tom Benson (my ol' pal) says that a lot of this work is done under
the cover of another story about the researcher/research not fitting
in with existing narratives.  I think he is absolutely right.  And
I think this is why I approach my work as the engagement of mystery
rather than the solving of problems, an approach that encourages
a dialogic rather than monologic style of inquiry and an important
way of connecting my personal experiences with my reading.
Back to my request about rephrasing:  In my case I find that I use
educational research (very broad net) to connect students' lived
experiences with the texts of others' lived experiences.  In this
regard, the qualitative dimension refers to dialogic engagement
of texts (or social texts, or performed texts) that privileges
interpretation, novel uses of language, asking questions, and
finding deeper sources of mystery in the everyday over finding
something called "answers" or "findings."  Hence, the qualitative
dimension of educational research lies in the reading, interpreta-
tion, and use of it, not necessarily in the style of inquiry that
suggests a particular method of inquiry.
Dr. Bud
aka H.L. Goodall, Jr.
Clemson University
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From:         JoBeth <JOBETHAL@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: the meaning of qualitative research

In response to Jean's affirmation of the personal in qualitative
research, I'd recommend a book just out from Teachers College Press by
Gitlin, Bringhurst, Burns, Cooley, Myers, Price, Russell, & Tiess. This
group of teachers and one university prof (Andrew Gitlin) have developed
an inquiry process they call educative research. The book, _Teachers'
Voices for School Change_, describes the process of writing extended
personal histories, school histories, and peer observations; of
consulting the critical literature on issues of personal importance that
arise in these various texts; and of developing meaningful questions for
action reserach out of one's own personal and educational history. I
recommendthe book most highly.
From: T3B@PSUVM.BITNET (Tom Benson 814-865-4201)
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Subject: Re: the meaning of qualitative research
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:08:00 GMT
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In response to Gary's inquiry: this may be off the wall or
irrelevant, but here's a try.

Doing qualitative research day by day means using a label
as a kind of cover story to express difference and solidarity
that in fact don't quite fit with what I think I'm doing.

In more concrete terms: "qualitative" has meaning only as a
way of saying "not quantitative" -- in a way that disadvantages
"qualitative," in my experience.

And along the same line, since what I do is "rhetorical
criticism" and a variety of contextualizing inquiries into the
production and reception of "texts," or the representation of
human action in and as those texts, I do not think of myself
as a "native" "qualitative" researcher, but subscribe to this
list because there are many overlappings and common interests.
Some of what I do from within the rhetoric/communication perspective
others do from the qualitative perspective, so there seem to be good reasons
for affiliation.

As Gary's question (and his work in general) suggest, "qualitative
research" invites taxonomic thinking but may better be regarded as
language-in-use.

Tom Benson
Penn State
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From:         "Penny Oldfather" <POLDFATH@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: the meaning of qualitative research

Through qualitative research I am able to explore the questions that I care
deeply about in ways that allow an integration of my values, my holistic
constructivist epistemology, my most natural ways of thinking and learning,
and my desire for collaborative explorations.  Qualitative method allows a
means of probing deeply into the realms of human thought and affect that I
believe are at the core of the most important issues in educational inquiry.
I feel challenged and energized by the process.

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