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From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Subject: Re: AMA SuperBikes @ Texas Motor Speedway
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:10:35 GMT


Steve Rasmussen writes:

>THe race was run the last weekend of Sept. and was the final of the 
>series, (so my brother tells me :)   WHO WON?

Michael Green replies:

>(summary of race results deleted)

OK, what gives here? I was certain that this race wasn't going to be 
held until the weekend of October 9-11...at least that's what the last 
ad I saw in Cycle Spews said. Did the AMA reschedule or what?

I *was* planning on attending, but it sounds like I missed the boat...

Dave Garrett
Department of Mathematics, Rice University, Houston, TX
garrett@math.rice.edu
From: mitcha@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mitch Abrams)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:09:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Steamboat Races
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing

Echo That!

Weather was great, races were great, even the bikes people rode to the races
were great (who ever saw that many Ducs in one place?)

We stayed at the Torian Plum Plaza. It was a little walk to the track but
i like staying in a room that is going to cost $600 a night in 90 days :)

Can't wait till '93

Mitch
From: swollny@bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: HELMETS:Arai only
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:19:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: Bonnie.9210052200.aa29015

I was wondering if someone could tell me the real difference between
the Arai:  Quantum, Regent, and the Signet.

I've tried on the Signet and it feels and fits "ok".  I wasn't able to get a hold of a
hold of any Quantums to try on. I was able to try on the Regent, but in the wrong s
wrong size. I needed a size small.  This brings up another queastion

Helmet fitting?  I plan on road racing here in California at Willow Springs
Raceway.  I have a Bell M-2 helmet which is fine for street, as long as
I don't exceed 80 mph.(ie. it starts to fall back at higher speeds)
So how is a road racing helmet suppose to fit.  I have tried on the Shoeis,
but there is extreme presure in the center of my forehead.  My head
also does not hit the top.(problem)  So I will be buying an Arai Helmet.

I'd love to hear from you.  As this is my first time in this square thing ! Ha
I would also like to get some info on racing boots.  I already have a
Fieldsheer leathers.  Thanks,  Samantha (Sammy for short)
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Should I work at racing AHRMA?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:02:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: wrgate.10696
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <51269@seismo.CSS.GOV> tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio) writes:
>My solution:
>
>Run WERA vintage!!!
>
  Not a bad idea.  WERA is certainly better organized, and their Vintage
rules evidently class bikes by relative performance, which makes for
close racing.  AHRMA attempts to make up classes by age and history,
which makes for interesting spectacles and lousy racing.  MRA Vintage
has almost no rules; bikes must be 10 years old, over 600cc is
Heavyweight and under is Lightweight.  This makes for wierd races (I
once was in a race with a 1936 Indian Sport Scout and a TZ750).
  If Jim is in the Denver area, probably his only choice will be to ride
with the MRA, since WERA and most of the AHRMA races are too distant to
keep up a steady racing program.  MRA only requires a Novice license for
vintage stuff, and single-cam Hondas have been competitive up to this
point in Heavyweight.  Note that in '93, Honda Interceptor 750's will be
legal, which will change things markedly.
  The MRA Novice program produces pretty good riders as well (if they
survive 8-)  ).  And once a year, AHRMA comes to Steamboat Springs as a
guest of the MRA.
>
>mtiberio@bbn.com
>Three time and current
>WERA Vintage IV National #1

  Ok now, no chest thumping.

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| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1938 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 17:41:30 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: corner workers & racers (Re: Backmarkers and flags)
	<1992Sep30.133605.586@halfdome.sf.ca.us>

Howdy,

bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker) writes:
> having worked some mcy & vintage car races (crash truck, picker and
> communications), i can say that there will always be racers who
> understand what corner workers do and appreciate them, and ones who
> only see failings.  most of them, however, are somewhere in between. 

Yeah, this seems to be my experience as well.  I've raced (as much as
my income allows) and corner worked (when I was broke).  On the track
I always regard the corner worker as a kinda benevolent god, out there
to protect me and incapable of making mistakes.  However, when I've
corner worked I've seen some dumb things, usually not safety related,
but it makes you wonder.  The worst is when a flag is slow to come
out, or an improper flag is displayed.  I always wonder when I see it
happen what *I* would have been thinking out on the track.

Blah, anyway, I'm gratefull for the corner workers that there are.  If
they improve, that'd be even better, but even a clueless person with a
yellow flag helps make it that much safer.

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
From: HKORNFELD@BUPULA.BU.EDU (HARDY KORNFELD)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: FZR400 PARTS WANTED
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:58:48 GMT
Organization: BOSTON UNIVERSITY, Pulmonary Center
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

I am looking for some bits for my FZR400 racer:

front and rear wheels
rear wheel hub
delta box swing arm from a '90
2 pot brake calipers from a '90
unbent fairing stay

Please respond to hkornfeld@bupula.bu.edu

Thanks.

Hardy K. AMA/CCS #348

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From: fridman@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Robert Fridman)
Subject: boxers and Krauser frames
Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:40:35 GMT


This post did not seem to work the first time, so here goes again:

I recall a thread on racing boxers a short while ago.  Well, this is in
the same spirit;)

Does anyone have any info on the Krauser space frame for the boxers.
I'm interested in things like:
	1. Does it work? ie: is it stiff enough
	2. Is it lighter than stock?
	3. Is it reliable/dependable? ie: will it crack/bend with "spirited"
	   riding?
	4. What is a reasonable price for it?
	5. Is it worth getting? ie:  Will a properly re-enforced stock
	   frame (like a /6) work just as well.
	6. Anyone have one or know of someone that does?

BTW: Krauser no longer makes the frames (or the 4 valve heads ).

	RF.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
From: Steve.Rasmussen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Steve Rasmussen)
Subject: AMA SuperBikes @ Texas Motor Speedway 
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.racing
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:32:09 GMT

THe race was run the last weekend of Sept. and was the final of the
series, (so my brother tells me :)   WHO WON?   
 
     --thanx, Steve.
 
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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
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From: tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Summit Pt. or Nelson trackdays left?
Date: 28 Sep 92 12:35:58 GMT

In article <0elAek200VpQ01oJJ=@andrew.cmu.edu>, ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy) writes:
> Anyone know if Summit Pt. or Nelson Ledges will have any open track
> days coming up?  Me and my new-found sponser need to do some motor

On fridays before a race weekend at Nelson there is an open practice
day called Tracksport. Its advertised in the trades...

t
From: ffarhand@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Farshad Farhand)
Subject: I am new
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Date: 6 Oct 92 04:07:14 GMT

Hi guys, I just got a my bike.  It is 1991 250 Ninja.  I am interested in racing in So. Cal.  Let me know of the upcoming races.


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From: cdenzler@sierra.com (Chris Denzler)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Knee Dragging
Date: 23 Sep 92 18:37:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa

In article <1136@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:
>erika@znext.uucp (erik astrup) writes:
>>
>>	Plenty if racers do NOT drag their knees. Plenty of them have
>>passed me during races before. I watch them going around the corner in
>>front of me with their knees hugging the tank. Scares the crap out of me
>>to see it because they lean so damn far over! I feel "safer" when I drag
>>my knee. 
>
>Yeah, today I was talking to Bruce Lind after his win in the 600 class
>(prod, I think).  He was a bit surprised that he touched his knee in an
>earlier race on his 1100 Suzuki, since he *never* does.  Another guy
>reminded him that he touched it at Mid-Ohio on his TZ250, along with
>his shoulder, head, ...
>
>For those of you who don't know Bruce, he's in his 40s, been racing over
>20 years and was 600 champ a year or two ago (prod, I think).

C'mon Mike!  We can do a better job of bragging about Bruce than that!

2 years ago Bruce was the Washington _overall_ #1 plate holder, even at his
advanced age.  I heard him allude to '29 years of racing' this Sunday.  He
also has won a couple of sidehack national championships to go with his
uncountable class championships.  He won the 600 prod WERA race a couple years
ago at Seattle Int. Raceway, also.   
To top it off, he never gets any damn older....
                                                - Chris

-- 
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cdenzler@sierra.com  1980 KZ1300   1978 Italjet RX50     1985 RZ-350 
"I'm smiling because I have absolutely no idea what's going on."
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From: green@eng.umd.edu (Michael Green)
Subject: Re: AMA SuperBikes @ Texas Motor Speedway 
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 12:38:33 GMT
Organization: Dept. Anesthesiology, UM at Baltimore
Distribution: na

In article <1992Oct1.223209.9600@samba.oit.unc.edu> Steve.Rasmussen@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Steve Rasmussen) writes:
>THe race was run the last weekend of Sept. and was the final of the
>series, (so my brother tells me :)   WHO WON?   
> 
>     --thanx, Steve.
> 

The race was easily won by Doug Polen, riding at his "home track".
Jamie James was second followed by Scott Russell. Russell's third
was enough to give him the championship by 2 points over James.
Spencer was the early leader but retired with a chunked tire.

(More details in a week).

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From: bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us (bob pasker)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: corner workers & racers (Re: Backmarkers and flags)
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:36:05 PDT
Organization: Disorganized Organization

In article <BvEBDx.L23@tridom.com>, alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
> In article <BvD5KC.9pr@news.dtc.hp.com>, jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes: 
> |>   Any rider that thinks he know more about track or traffic conditions and
> |> elects to ignore turnworker flags should have his license yanked.
> 
> That's refreshing to hear.  I worked the corners at last weekend's AMA Regional
> at Road Atlanta.  While in the pits, looking for part for my bike, I got to
> hear some of the racers griping about the corner workers.  This really griped
> my ass, because I was volunteering to help them out.
> 
> I agree that the corner workers are not always versed in motorcycle racing
> (last weekend over half the workers were SCCA folks) but AMA does give a 
> pre-race brief to alert workers to the specifics of bike racing.

since the corner workers get information on racers responsibilities
and racing in general from the track czar(s), maybe the corner
worker's associations should print something up (short & sweet) about
the responsibilities of corner workers.  i'm sure new riders' school
gives info, but perhaps sometimes a refresher might be needed. 

having worked some mcy & vintage car races (crash truck, picker and
communications), i can say that there will always be racers who
understand what corner workers do and appreciate them, and ones who
only see failings.  most of them, however, are somewhere in between. 

-- 
-- bob pasker
-- bob@halfdome.sf.ca.us 
--
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Should I work at racing AHRMA?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:39:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <Bv5o54.95n@news.dtc.hp.com> jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
>
   (Interesting stuff about CR750 Honda deleted)

>  What I'm suspecting is that I'll raise some eyebrows the first time I 
>take it out and from what you're saying, AHRMA will rally to prevent me 
>from racing.  Do you think this will happen?
>
   Only if you start being a serious threat to the establishment by
consistantly beating them.  Recently, they introduced a whole series of
rules to prevent pre '72 BMW's from being raced in the 750 GP classes.
Get some documentation from the '69 time frame to prove that this is the
real thing, including the magazine article you mentioned.  AHRMA
will require that the bike be an actual racer or an "accurate replica."
If it has steel wheels, they must be replaced with aluminum-rimmed
spoked ones (mags are not allowed except on Harleys).  I believe that
WM4 wheels are the maximum width (except on Harleys, they get wider
ones).  Five speeds in the gearbox max (except on BSA and Triumph
triples, where they allow 6 speed Quaife's).  The bike must be fully "GP
kitted" whatever that means.  If your bike has a stock frame, it may be
relegated to the Sportsman class.  Except that Sportsman 750's are only
allowed one front brake disc, and 750 GP's are allowed two.
   Do you start to get my drift?  A long evening spent with the AHRMA
rulebook will make you wonder how these people ever have a race.  Go
over it with a fine-toothed comb before you bring your bike to the
track.
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| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1938 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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Subject: American Roadracing address??
From: taylor_c@qis.dofasco.ca
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:00:22 GMT
Organization: Dofasco Inc, Hamilton, Ont. Can.
Nntp-Posting-User: taylor_c

**In article <1992Sep25.035405.24217@newshost.anu.edu.au>, gowen@rsbs0.anu.edu.au
**(Neal Gowen) writes:
**> Report in "Canberra Times" newspaper today states that Australian
**> Superbike champion Mathew Mladin, will take Eddie Lawson's place in the
**> Cagiva team in 1993.

*More likely that Mladin is replacing Barros as #2 and Chandler is
*replacing Lawson as #1. Can't blame the Aussies for wanting to
*drag their battered roadracing egos out of the cellar. Nice
*try. 8-)

mtiberio@bbn.com.

Battered roadracing ego????? Are you serious?!?!?! Did you watch all the races
Assen ON and notice something missing with A BROKEN LEG from the front row??

..........

Could anyone tell me the address for the mag AMERICAN ROADRACING.

THANKS

	Chris Taylor
From: rstevens@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (Roger Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: U.S Speedway final
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:40:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: NCR Canada Ltd. Mississauga, Ontario


Anyone out there know who won the U.S National Speedway Championship held
at Costa Mesa last Saturday?
Please let me know.


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REMEMBER:   IF ITS NICE OUT...............LEAVE IT OUT!
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From: spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Should I work at racing AHRMA?
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:37:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
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jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) says:
> Dave said:
> 
> >Team Obsolete has the BSA Rocket III that won the '72 Daytona 200.  Last
> >year they had Yvonne DuHamel riding it (750 GP class).
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Damn, did ol' Yvon go and get a sex change operation too? Maybe
he had one too many conversations with Mike/Michelle Duff.

....paul

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:40:16 -0400 
From: Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Summit Pt. or Nelson trackdays left?

Howdy,

Anyone know if Summit Pt. or Nelson Ledges will have any open track
days coming up?  Me and my new-found sponser need to do some motor
testing/tuning on my RZ...  Even a "bring out your street bike" day
would be fine, as we are mostly concerned with the carbs right now,
and wouldn't need to be able to run at a race pace...

Thanks,

Mark

| Mark J. Andy			WERA NV #813		AMA #700560	|
| ma1w+@cmu.edu			KotR			DoD #813	|
| Co-founder/Rider, Team RISC and Two Geeks Racing			|
| '82 Seca 650 (street), '85 RZ350 (track), '87 KDX200 (the humbler)	|
| I want RZ350 parts like steering damper, fork brace, SS lines, etc... |
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.racing
Subject: Re: Should I work at racing AHRMA?
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:30:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <51267@seismo.CSS.GOV> tiberio@seismo.CSS.GOV (Michael Tiberio) writes:
>I doubt you will raise many eyebrows unless your bike is illegal. 

  Well, mostly I was thinking that people might be suprized to see this
bike come out of hiding.  As far as I know, the last person in the racing
community to see it was Pops Yoshimura back in 1980 when my friends went
up to LA to get a new piston for it.  He remembered building it and was
most interested in its present usage.

> After finally
>winning (and withdrawing my entry) in a 750 gp race at my local track (TO 
>didn't show) I stopped running AHRMA. 

  Why did you withdraw?  And why did you stop?  

>I believe that Honda 750 based
>race bikes must run "stock" swing arms, and stock single piston calipers.

  Yeah, but for 750 Grand Prix I can use 2 discs up front one in the back
and mag wheels.  It really looks like this bike was built for 750GP.  Well
see.

>Lots O` luck...

 Thanks!
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From: green@eng.umd.edu (Michael Green)
Subject: Re: Backmarkers and flags
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:59:17 GMT
Organization: Dept. Anesthesiology, UM at Baltimore

In article <BvEBDx.L23@tridom.com> alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming) writes:
>In article <BvD5KC.9pr@news.dtc.hp.com>, jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes: 
>|>   Any rider that thinks he know more about track or traffic conditions and
>|> elects to ignore turnworker flags should have his license yanked.
>
>That's refreshing to hear.  I worked the corners at last weekend's AMA Regional
>at Road Atlanta.  While in the pits, looking for part for my bike, I got to
>hear some of the racers griping about the corner workers.  This really griped
>my ass, because I was volunteering to help them out.
>
>What really annoyed me was to hear racers complaining about getting help 
>moving a crashed bike during the race.  If the bike is out of the line then
>the corner workers have to concentrate on keeping other riders alerted,
>getting the start/finish stand alerted, checking on the rider and numerous
>other tasks.  Cleaning up the bike happens after the race is over...


last year WERA introduced a rule that if you crashed (defined as
handlebar touching the ground) then your race was over, finito. I
thought it was one of the best ideas to come out of Hilton Head Island.
It's scary to see motorcycles and riders go back out on the track after
a wreck. A TZ rider crashed at Summit Point earlier in the year, he
remounted and it
seemed like no big deal. Then he arrived at the fastest corner of the
track to find he had no front brakes. He wadded his TZ and was lucky not
to be hurt. To my mind it ain't worth it. It's only a club race. For
some reason WERA threw out this rule and now says you have to re-tech on
pit road before racing again. It's crazy. It puts too much
responsibility on a cornerworker (who has other things to think about
rather than determining if you and your bike are race-ready) and the
adrenalin pumped racer.
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From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Backmarkers and flags
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:36:10 GMT
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <4597@tivoli.UUCP> aqn@tivoli.UUCP (Andy Nguyen) writes:
> On a bike, most tracks are
>wide enough for more than one line thru a corner, thus making the slow
>bikes less of of a problem.  

  Horsefeathers.  At race speed, there isn't a lot of room to move around.  
When both ends are loose it's a little hard to change lines.

>Three, cornerworking personnel often are not themselves riders (or
>drivers), thus they are not good judges of passing situations.
> Four, worse, sometimes they are prone to power trips, using the blue
>flags like badges of authority so much that the riders (drivers) end up
>ignoring them.
...
>I agree.  But again, if the flagging is frivolous, the riders might
>choose to ignore them.

  Any rider that thinks he know more about track or traffic conditions and
elects to ignore turnworker flags should have his license yanked.  Period.
That _IS_ a flame.

  I've seen guys do that, and it's a very good way to kill yourself or 
someone else.  You should obey the track officials on the track and argue
about the correctness of the judgement off the track.

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