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From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: None
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:11:36 GMT

      anparkalae:

               Buddhar, VaLLuvar,SiddharkaL, Bhaarathi, 
               Periyaar yenRa varisai gnanaoLi parapiya
               varisai.

               matham yennum pOthayil irunthu veLiyE vanthu 
               saathi yendra mega iruLai kizhithu yeRintha
               kathirkaL.

               paguthaRivE sivam yendRu solli, madamai yennum pEyai
               makkaL manathil irunthu Oti, antha aRivai thantha
               sudarviLakukaL..

              matha pOthayil kuLithuvittu mithavaatham seithu koNdu
              naatkaLai kazhippavarkaLukku  avarkaL yethirikaL, maRRiavarkaLukku
              nallavarkal.

       kathiravan.
 
              Buddha, Valluvar, Siddhas, Bharathi and Periyaar
              spread the rays of wisdom.

              These rays removed the dark cloud of religion
              and caste intoxication.

              They said,"God is knowledge obtained by reasoning"
              and drove the demon of stupidity from the minds
              of the people.

              For people who dip in the sea of irrationalism and
              then defend that by fake passivism they became enemies.
              But for the rest they are good.

       kathiravan

                  vAzhga tamizh!

 

        .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Subject: EVR Part 2
Originator: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 01:28:30 GMT



More on EVR from the PhD thesis of Charles Ryerson, "Regionalism and
Religion, The Tamil Renaissance and Popular Hinduism".


Some quotation of EVR:

"Socialism means justice without bias and equality without differences.
But there are inequalities in every aspect of the present life, in caste,
in education, in wealth, and in social status.  Even after hard work the
people suffer without scraps fot eat, rags to wear, and huts to live in...
Wnen we say it is not proper and the prosperity should be equally enjoyed
by all, the capitalists, the aristocrats, the landlords... cry aloud.  The
priests and the theists stand up and shout that it is against the will of
God... (They say) a man leads a happy of sorrowful life according
to the results of his karmas done in the previous birth...
(EVR speech given in Tiruppur in 1934)"

"People say our revolutionary movement has spoiled its chances because
it entered into the field of God and religion. Man is disgraced by caste and 
caste is disgraced by religion.  How can we destroy one, keeping the alive?
... Can the Hindu religion stand if caste is abolished ?...Can God
exist when caste and religion are abolished...  I shall give you an
illustration... All the shastras of Hinduism...accept the division of
four varnas.  The words of "God" which appear in the Bhagavad Gita
approve of this:  "I created the four varnas.  I created the dharmas
(duties) to be carried out by the respective castes.  If anyone does
not follow his duty, I will put him in hell."  Lord Krishna, the
philosophical God of the Hindus, have uttered these words.. Can those
who believe that Krishan is a God or that Gita is his prophecy eradicate
caste ?... So keep in mind that there is no other way except to become
athiests in some way or other...(EVR speech 1934)"

(to be contined...)

Meenan Vishnu
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: PLAYS BY MARINA
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:25:31 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <19797@plains.NoDak.edu>, ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy) writes...
> 
> I was trying to recollect PLAYS by Marina (yah! same person
> who writes THIRUTHALA PERMUAI as BARANEEDHARAN) published
> in TAMIL WEEKLIES (ie mostly VIKATAN)
> 
> 
> I am able to recollect the following
> 
>	1. Oor Vambu
>	2. Thani Kudithanam
>	3. Samiyarin Mamiyar
>	4. Sadhu Mirandaal
> 
> 
>	I am not sure about the last one of course. I could not
>	recollect another story in which a woman who carries
>	lunch to the office is the main character.
> 
> 
>Anyone with better memory power ! !
> 
>PK


	Pullanguzhal Aduppodhugiradhu
	Kadhalenna Kaththirikkaya?

RT
From: ganapath@plains.NoDak.edu (Prabhukumar Ganapathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: En Arumai Kadhalikky Vennilaavae
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:17:19 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


	I am just typing a stanza from one of
	Kannadasan's masterpieces. (according to me)


	En arumai kadhalikku vennilaavae Nee
	Ilaiyavala moothavalaa vennilaavae 

	....

	Kallamilla en edhayam vennilaavae
	Oru kalliedam errukadhadi vennilaavae
	Andha vanji dhanai nee arivaai vennilaavae
	Adhai vangi vandhu thandhiduvaai vennilaavae
	Kenjinaal tharamaatal vennilaavae
	Nee ketkaamal parithiduvaai vennilaavae
	Anjida thevai illai vennilaavae
	edhu aval thandha paadamadi vennilaavae


  This is really much better than a ordinary movie song.
  See the wordings (may be I have typed wrong ones here
  and there as I am writing from my memory). Particularly
  the last two lines are too good. These lines have
  some hidden meaning which may be not everyone could
  appreciate if they are not that good in tamil.


  If some one really needs I could post the whole song.



  PK


  P.S : Sorry I am not using ADAMI translation. I
	am learning it. For some unknown reason I
	am not able to print the manual after 15th
	page or so. I tried atleast with 4 different
	copies that I downloaded. May be Dr.Srinivasan
	could suggest me something.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.kerala
From: ash@iron.sni.ca (Ashwin Palekar)
Subject: Re: Sex Ratio, Population growth
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf, Sietec Open Systems, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:22:11 GMT


|> 
|> So you mean to say that Kerala, with the smallest population growth-rate,
|> will lose more seats? Why should we suffer for the lack of family-planning
|> on the part of north Indians?
|> 
|> I seriously think that India is too big and diverse to be one country.


If everybody in India start drawing conclusions based on such narrow areas
, even Kerala could be defined as too diverse to become one country.
There is no end to such line of thinking.

The solution lies in changing the balance of power between the centre 
and states or have a equal representation from all states.

We are always open to internal stuctural changes, they always take time
but would be our safest bet.
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: Re: Aaaaa....Rambam :- It's kadi time
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:39:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.171316.6640@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> babu@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Natarajan Sureshbabu) writes:
>
>That reminds of a day in school, when my tamil teacher, having
>teaught the grammer for veNpa, asked the guys to come to
>school the next day, with a veNpa of their own. One guy
>wrote the following,
>
>	ella viLakkum viLakkalla; sAntoRku
>	maNNeNNai viLakke viLakku.
>
>Of course, he got a few canings for not complying with
>the grammer rules, is a different story.
>
>Bye,
>Babu

	one more 'kadi' kuRaL. When the schools are reopened after summer
	vacation, the seniors would sell the old text books for lesser price
	(the price depends on how many pages are still left in the book) to
	the juniors, and the kuRaL for this in our school was,

	kaRka kacadaRa kaRpavai kaRRapin
	viRka paadhi vilaikku.

M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (RT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Let us build Periyar Temple
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:55:08 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



Since there are many periyar-worshippers in the net why don't we construct a
periyar temple. Before the physical temple, I have already built a virtual
temple. Some of the salient features of the temple are :


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Patrons entering the temple can get the mysterious 'Anna Namam' on their
forehead for free.

2. Before removing your shoes patrons are encouraged to beat the Rama statue
near the entrance with their shoes true to DK traditions. Patrons should be
cautious in this because many patrons confuse and beat-up the periyar statue
instead. Pl contact reception desk to identify the beaten-up Rama statue

3. There will be 108-archanas blaming brahmins for everything in precise
sentences before the periyar statue for $10. After the archana is over the
priest will declare the following standard disclaimer. "We attack only
brahminism and not brahmins" with a big meaningful smile on his face. "Killadi
gurukkal". We know what he means by this, don't we?

4. Specially gifted persons like the brahmin bashers in SCT can get a 10%
discount for archanas after showing a notorized copy of a brahmni-bashing
artcle written by them in SCT to the bill-clerk.

5. On special occasions like birthday of anna, periyar or karunanidhi there
will be a expanded explicit 1008 archana. This will start with the attrocities
committed by brahmins before a single soul was born on the earth.

6. Since we know that patrons have little or no moral values to
pass on to their children, we have a guided tour for the children to pass on
our traditional hatred for a particular community.

Ok now let us sing together in the tune of praise the lord.

	"Praise PERIYAR for the good one"
	"Blame the BRAHMINS for any bad one"

*** We advertise only in "Thamizharuvi" where you get REAL news ***

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

to be continued. Netters are welcome to add any suggestions for our upcoming
Periyar temple.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@morse.uwaterloo.ca (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: temple priesthood
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 04:06:31 GMT

In article <l93d2cINN31j@nunki.usc.edu> nraju@usc.edu (Narayanan Raju) writes:
>Looks as though those who are against a particular faith want the
>priesthood of that faith opened up for their community.

I thought we all are supposed to be Hindus.  I see, we are included in the
religion for financial support purposes only, otherwise "the relgion" is for
Bramins only.  

Meenan Vishnu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rshankar@top.cis.syr.edu (Ravi V. Shankar)
Subject: Re: ADDENDUM : A puzzle
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 12:20:00 EDT

In article <Aug.19.15.44.48.1992.2599@endeavour.rutgers.edu> surendra@endeavour.rutgers.edu (Arun Surendran) writes:
>
>	A righteous man who believes in 'truth' and 'non-violence' was
>	walking down a road which, at some point, split into a fork.
>	Just as he was approaching the fork, a cow ran past him into
>	one of the road formed by the fork and quickly disappeared
>	around the curve. A minute later a man with a big butcher's knife
>	(apparently the butcher) came running .. He stopped this man (our
>	hero) and asked him 'Which road did the cow take?'. 
>
>	Here is the dilemma : If the man points to the right path, he
>	would be a party to killing an animal, hence would have gone
>	against 'non violence'. But if he does not give the right path,
>	he would by lying (violating truth). What would he do?
>
>	What would YOU do?
>		   
>	AC Suren

The answer, at least in this case, seems simple to me. If by lying I
can do something good I would rather do it.

" nallathu seidhida poi sollalam enru valluvar sonnaru
  nattukkaaga kovilai katta oruvar thirudavum seidhaaru"

      --- from the song "thillu mullu, thillu mullu"

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Arupadai Veedugal!
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:39:58 GMT

mguruswami@vax1.umkc.edu (Murugavel Guruswami) writes:

>In article <1992Aug10.224737.23039@ms.uky.edu>, aras@ms.uky.edu (P. I. Arasu) writes:
>> I can recollect Tiruchendur, Palani, Swami Malai,
>> Thirutani as four of the six abodes of Murugan.
>> Can someone fillup the rest?
>> 
>> -arasu
>-- 
>I think it is - Thirupparamkundram and Maruthamalai. Some one correct me if I
>am wrong.

>Anbudan
>--Murugavel
I think the sixth is Pazhamuthir solai not Maruthamalai. - Ganesh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: nasokan@yoho.uwaterloo.ca (Asokan)
Subject: Re: ilangai pop song
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:24:46 GMT

In article <9208121509.AA25382@cec1.wustl.edu> sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian) writes:
[...]
>   "churaangani, churaangani
>    churaanganikkaa maalu kannaavaa
>    maalu maalu maalu churaanganikka maalu
>    churaanganikkaa maalu kannaavaa..
>                    [ Anyone knows what the above means ? ]
[...]

I think this was actually,
	surAngani, surAngani
	surAnganikA mAlu genAwA

surAngani is a female name.  mAlu means fish.  genAwA means "(s/he) brought".

- Asokan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Venkatachalam Aruna  (Affable)
Subject: Re: I HATE TAMILS
Reply-To: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Venkatachalam Aruna)
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:44:48 GMT

In article <l8j7hjINN6uo@skat.usc.edu> sramacha@skat.usc.edu (Sudarshan  
Ramachandran) writes:
> 
> "I hate Tamils. I *really* *HATE* Tamils"
[ stuff deleted]
 
  One reason may be jealousness arising from the success of Tamils.

Cheers,
Venkat

--
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venkat@menudo.uh.edu                  | If it comes back, it is yours.
aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu(NeXT mails okay)| If it does not, it never was.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,rec.music.indian.classical,soc.culture.indian,rec.music.indian.misc,alt.culture.kerala,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: jha@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Vikas Jha)
Subject: SPIC-MACAY:SANJUKTA PANIGRAHI(ODISSI):AUG 19:FREE
Originator: jha@maui.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Distribution: la
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:09:38 GMT


  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

           	 One of the foremost Indian Classical Dancers
			  The Great Odissi Exponent


                             SANJUKTA PANIGRAHI



                        Wednesday Aug. 19, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
 		       Titan pavilion A, University Center
			  California State University
                                   Fullerton

			**ALSO AT:
			  Peterson Hall, Room 103
			  UC, SAN DIEGO. August 20th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
			**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 748-6353 (Kartik)
                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: ananthan@usc.edu   (Kartik)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. She illustrates
her explanations with demonstrations of each action (mudra) even as she
talks.

The audience will be sitting on the floor, close to the artist. It might be
a good idea to get your own cushions.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------
>From 91 Freeway
Take 57 N. (Pomona), Exit Nutwood Avenue. Take left at exit (lights)
right on State College Blvd.
First Right on Dorothy Lane
Immediate Left and go on to Parking Lots A & B.

parking Fee is $2 per car.

---
from 60 Freeway.
Take 57 South, Exit Nutwood. Right at exit and follow above directions.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Bharathiyar's songs in Movies
Keywords: songs
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:13:08 GMT

gt6060a@prism.gatech.EDU (Rangaswamy Rajamanickam) writes:

>A friend of mine will be coming from India shortly
>and I wanted him to record some Bharathiyar's songs 
>in Tamil Movies. I made out a short list and I request
>anyone who can expand/fill in the blanks to mail his/her
>response to me. I will compile the responses and post them
>on the net.

>             Song                        Movie

>1. Sindhu Nadhiyin misai            Kai Kodutha Dheivam 
>2. Veenai adi Nee enakku            Ezhavathu Manithan & ?
>3. Nalladhor Veenai seydhae            " and Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu?
>4. Kaakai Siraginilae                   " and ?
>5. Theertha Kariyinilae            Varumaiyin Niram Sigappu
> 
>Internet: gt6060a@prism.gatech.ed

"Kappal Oottiya Thamizhan" (early 1960s?) starring Sivaji has several
Bharathiyar songs: Oodi Vilayadu Pappa, Nenjil Uram Indri,
Kaatru Veliyidai Kannamma, Thanner Vitto Valarthom Sarvesa,
Vellippanimalayil, Vandhe Maatharam Enbom...... My sincere belief
is that except for "Sindhu Nadhiyin", none of the others can hold a
candle to Sirgazhi, Tiruch Loganathan, PB Sreenivos and Susheela's
beautiful renderings under the captivating direction of G Ramanathan.
Incidentally, it was one of GR's last movies before he died. Very
people whom I know and who saw the movie, left the theatre dry-eyd.
Sivaji's portrayal of VO Chidambaram Pillai was absolutely
superb. Likewise, I wonder whether anyone else could have done
the role of Bharathiyaar as well as SV Subbiah. Also stars Gemini
and Savithri, Balaji (as Vanchinathan), Panthulu (as Bala Gangadhar
Tilak), Ranga Rao (as Wynch (sp?) Durai) and Asokan (as the
hated collector Ash of Tirunelveli, shot dead at Maniyachi by
Vanchinathan, who later shot himself in the men's urinal, rather
than surrender to the police; Manyachi railway station has been recently
renamed as Vanchi Maniyachi in his honor). Do not miss this
Padmini Pictures' Masterpiece, if you ever come across it on video.
Happy viewing. - Ganesh
u
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Subject: Re: Tamil movies vs. English movies
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 22:19:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.002008.1028@newstand.syr.edu> rshankar@top.cis.syr.edu (Ravi V. Shankar) writes:
>In article <BstoE0.E7F@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:
>>
>>About movies, I find 1 in 100 movies to be quite good. Also some nice
>>movies are suddenly corrupted by some 30 minutes of crap. The alternative
>>is to find ways of improving the quality. Not all English movies are good
>>either.
>>
>>KS
>
>I agree with you. English movies have their share of crap too.
>
>Personally, what I find blasphemous is people complaining about songs in
>Tamil movies when they can sit and watch MTV hours at a stretch every day!
>
>-- Ravi
>

I agree with u Ravi. This is where our people are attracted towards
western culture. Excellent photographies and other stuff in MTV,
attracts our people and hence, they complain about Tamil songs in
movies. It should be noted that Pop songs carry similar theme as 
tamil songs, but are highly sexual(Not all, but majority).
 I agree that tamil movies carry
the same theme, same fight scenes etc... But still, one can watch it
with his family. But how about English movies ? Can u sit and watch
the recent movie of Michael Douglous with your family ? (Example).

Anbudan,

V R Kumar
 
-- 
 V.R.Kumar (Ramkumar Venkatachalam)                                 
 CSIRO, Division of Information Technology                         
 P.O.Box:1599, Macquarie Centre, North Ryde, NSW 2113, AUSTRALIA  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: vak@infonode.ingr.com (Vansantha Kandasamy)
Subject: Recipe request: Kanjeepurm Idli
Keywords: good food
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:56:31 GMT

   I am looking for a recipe for Kaanjeepuram Idli.  The kind that is
somewhat spicy and nutty,  usually steamed in large shallow thattu's.  
We had some neighbours from Kaanjeepuram and these idlis were always a
hit. 

 - Vasantha Kandasamy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: rags@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Raghavan Jayaraman)
Subject: Re: Planning of Madras city
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:34:25 GMT



In article <l8hhcrINNnb1@aludra.usc.edu> nagabhus@aludra.usc.edu (Vasuki N) writes:
>	It is surprising that Madras being one of the biggest cities in India
>does not have planned growth of the city. Just adjacent to the "municipal
>definition of Madras city" , we have so many new localities which were
>developed and sold by the local municipal panchayats, who had no idea,
>what the requirements of a big city are. People should urge the responsible
>persons to form a planning body and structly enforce it. Otherwise, fewer
>new industries would be attracted to Madras city. Fortunately, since Madras
>also has train services, these new planned developments could be developed
>along the train route, which will lessen the road congestion. Also, the
>developents along the beautiful beach route to Mammalapuram should be 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>
regulated in
^^^^^^^^^^^^	
>in the general public interests. It will also bring additional revenue
>in terms of tourist trade. More than anything else, for the bebefit
>of all, Madras should strictly adopt planning strategies to control
>the future developement of the city.
>
>Anybody from Madras ?, what do you feel ?
>
>

Actually the developments are regulated in some sense by MMDA. The plan as
of now is to connect Mahabalipuram to Madras by a rapid transit system once
the loop to mylapore is completed. MMDA has  done a good job of not letting
any industry to sprout along that corridor with an idea of developing  that
as a residential line.

I don't know whether U read the article on urban growth in India Today. The
problem is common to all cities in India. IMO the prime objective  of any
govt. should be to prevent heavy influx into cities for lack of
oppurtunities/facilities  elsewhere which ofcourse, as we all know, has
been ignored by political expediency. In this context, driving away the
industries from Madras [NOT from TN] may be  useful. 

Also this compounds to the  inefficiency of corporationin providing basic
amenities. In view of this, I
would like to see that the suburbs developing under local panchayats stay
away from corporations. Nevertheless  the residents of that area  should
take  active role in managing the development/maintenance of that area.
This is nothing new but what we see here.

raghavan
From: rkrithiv@pima.intel.com (Ramamurthy Krithivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: EVR alias Periyar - Dr. Srini, pleas read
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:18:06 GMT
Organization: -------------------------



 >>But the funny thing is K. Veeramani who is supposed to represent
 >>'Periyaar principles' has joined hands with Jayalalitha, who is seen
 >>to be representing 'Brahminism'. He goes on supporting her every
 >>move in 'bringing back the brahminism'.
 >>M. Sundaramoorthy
 >>sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu

  Question.  
  
  *** What "Brahminism" is Jayalalitha trying to bring back ??

 
  Krithi. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian