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From: hgarcia@sw.stratus.com (Henry Garcia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Recent Releases
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:07:30 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.


In article <19AUG199212181127@rosie.uh.edu>, chem8w@rosie.uh.edu (Councilman, David A.) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.135105.9755@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes...
> >Garbage that Iwasted my money on this week
> >
> >Darkhold #1 - 0/4 for Marve on Rise of the Midnight Sons. Exceptionaly
> >bad art as well.
> 
> I disagree, though not strongly.  If nothing else, I've found the basic
> plots of Morbius and Darkhold to be compelling; however, all of the stories
> in Marvel's new Horror line, with the possible exception of Terror, Inc.,
> just seem to be MISSING something...The characters seem SHALLOW (to be 
> expected in first issues like Morbius & Darkhold, but Dan Ketch really
> should be somewhat like a real person by now, and what they did to
> John Blaze is the truly horrifying aspect of the line..)  Still, I have
> high hopes..
> 
> Darkhold artist is RICHARD CASE of Doom Patrol "fame"... I thought it was
> GREAT!!
> 
> >Anyway, justfelt the urge to share this with you. Contrary mind opinions
> >welcome.
> 
> =)   


	I also enjoyed the art work on this story, I thought it was pretty good.
	The stories also show great promise.   I just hope we don't see to many
	guests from other, super hero, books.  Not because I don't like the other
	characters, but the would not fit in well with these types of books.
	
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Popularity in Comics (was Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 07:33:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor):
>It's kind of depressing that comic book companies succeed by aiming
>their books at a younger audience, one which in general has less
>disposable income than (I expect) most of the people reading this
>post.  It emphasizes what a minority adult comic readers are in the U.S.

I don't see it as depressing.  We simply need to accept that there are
two comics markets.  There is a large market, consisting primarily of boys
in the thirteen-year-old range.  And there's a much smaller market,
consisting primarily of older readers, with larger disposable incomes,
who have been reading long enough to have more complex tastes.

The comics we may sneer at today are often the comics we liked, or
would have liked, when we were twelve.  There's nothing reprehensible
about the fact that most comics are still geared for that audience.
What *is* a pity is that sometimes a comic that's suited for an older
audience is modified in hopes of attracting younger readers -- as though
there aren't enough other comics out there doing that.

As the comics industry matures, and as the spending power of the mature
market increases, we're likely to see more coherent attempts to target
that market.  The Vertigo line might be a case in point.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
 Are full of passionate intensity." -- W.B. Yeats

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: cgarnett@amhux1.amherst.edu (Craig Garnett '87)
Subject: Re: The Care and Feeding of Comics
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:30:57 GMT

I have to agree...while there are undoubtedly plenty of folks who bag
comics for later resale value considerations, bagging (and boarding) 
comics you love and have no intention of reselling is also not uncommon.
Every one of my Cerebus issues is in a bag, 'cause I don't want the
cover art to get scratched, torn or otherwise banged up, and resale
value isn't my concern: If I were flat broke and had to raise cash, I'd
do the old "blood bank" method of supporting myself rather than part
with the comics. If the covers are "art" to you and you enjoy taking
them out and looking at them, bagging them makes perfect sense.

-Craig 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu (Jonny Ray Purvis)
Subject: Re: Information needed Re: Thor, FF
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:10:07 GMT

In article <65756@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray) writes:
>Can anyone out there post or e-mail me the issue numbers for Simonson's run
>on Thor and Byrne's run on the Fantastic Four.  Both of these runs were
>going on when i was just getting into comics, so i have sporadic issues of
>both, but would like to go back and complete them.  

Byrne did FF from 232 to 293.  There might have been a couple fill-ins, but
I don't remember any at this point.

Simonson did Thor from 337 to 382.  He also did the related 4 issue Balder
mini-series.  Note: if you like these, try his run on FF.   He did 334-341,
343-350, and 351-354.  I've heard he was involved with Thor in some capacity
back in the late 200's, but I've never actually seen them.

Jon Purvis
jrp3935@tamsun.tamu.edu

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun)
Subject: Re: Rumor:  Alan Moore at Image?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:07:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.224431.24706@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty-kun) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.044030.11227@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
> > 
> > Over on Comics-L, writer James Hudnall said that DC's Michael Eury 
> >  may be moving to Dark Horse and Jonathan Petersen is going to Image.  
> >  But the big bomb was that "Alan Moore will be doing a superhero book
> >  for Image (yet to be signed)."
> 
> Rule #1 of net.rumors:  "if it smells like bullshit, it probably is".
> 	And this one flies in the face of everything Moore has said
> 	and done until the last couple of years.
		 ^^^^^

1) This was supposed to be e-mail.  Sorry about the language.
2) Change "until" to "for".

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Gaiman's and DC's plans
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:57:49 GMT
	<lsmith.714342985@atto>
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam Fans

In article <lsmith.714342985@atto> lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>After Neil wraps up the Sandman title, in about three years, he says he would
>like to do a set of stories for each of the Endless. He suggests maybe a
>Destiny prestige book, a three issue Delirium miniseries, a 12 issue Desire
>miniseries and a Despair one-shot, but adds that he really doesn't have
>any formal plans at this point. 

Great!  But why stop there?  Why not:

 A six-issue Death series which mysteriously ends after only four
   issues?
 A Delerium cross-over into Groo?
 A Destruction limited edition AK-47?

The possibilities boggle the wallet!

Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: birmingh@fnala.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham)
Subject: Re: Biz quitting Lobo?
Organization: Huh?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:57:25 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnala.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <bjm1.714116326@Ra.MsState.Edu>, bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann) writes:
> I believe he was..."relieved" of these duties...due to "inappropriate"
> artwork.

         Criminy, what do they think *is* appropriate for Lobo? I will not
    buy any Lobo that is not done by Bisley. Never. No "Blazing Chain of
    Love" (although I *do* like the Brereton cover) and no "Lobo's Back" if
    Bisley didn't do it. Bisley has this "over-the-top" style that really
    works for this kinda stuff.

-- 
 Phillip J. Birmingham   birmingh@fnal.fnal.gov  
 I don't speak for Fermilab, although my mouth is probably big enough...
From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Doom 2099
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:07:21 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.misc.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <1992Aug19.010907.13645@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
>This is what I know about Doom 2099 from a promo flyer I recieved when I
>bought my comics today.
>
>"The old Victor von Doom has been gone for many, many years. Latervia

How could he be gone? I thought Marvel characters NEVER aged. *chuckle!*
I was going through the old Doc Doom collection, and came across a
story told in an Invaders issue that takes place during World War II. 
In it, a young Victor VonDoom with his face bandaged from his
recent so-called "disfiguring" college accident is working on a project for
Hitler. Anyways, since this story takes place around 1940, and
both Doom and Reed Richards were about 20 when Doom left college, this
would make them both at least 70 years old! From the way they both
look, it would seem that time in the Marvel Universe is just a
wee bit out of whack with the real world...

>has a new ruler known as Tiger Wylde. The new Doom is a young man with a
>mission to recapture his throne as ruler of Latervia. Tiger Wylde will

Hmmmm, don't forget that Doctor Doom can change minds with others, which
means this young man could be....??????

>be an opponent who won't take no for an answer. The creatice team of
>John Francis Moore (writer from the Flash) penciler Pat Broderick and
>inker John Beatty have created a dark and ominous world of Doom 2099.

-PMM
-- 
"Is it madness, my dear Enchantress, which drives a man of my genius to strive
 for an impossible prize..or is it the striving for that which is ever just
 out of reach which prevents madness from overtaking me?"  
					Dr. Doom, Secret Wars
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: San Diego Con Horror Story
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:42:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19764
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

My own Fan Boy story follows:

Sitting in local store, waiting for shipment to come in, kibbitzing
with owner. Fan Boy approaches, holding multiple bagged copies of X-Force
#1, already wisely prebagged by shop owner at considerable mark-up (non
Fan Boys who really wanted the thing could ask him for cover price copy --
or just get it free). I point out to him, while owner is happily counting
issues, that he DID NOT have every possible card. Evil me, I convince him to
buy more prebagged issues just to meet his "Minimum Card Quota," about which I
made up some stats on the spot showing how multiple purchases of the same
card drive up local investor prices, allowing clever Fan Boys to retire early
on large profits gained thereof, and plaster walls with mucho Lobo, Cable,
etc. posters. So, he doubled his order.

The owner was appreciative enough to offer me my own copy of X-Force #1
free, which I declined. As for why I was so evil -- I really don't know. If
it had been a younger kid, I'd probably have kept my mouth shut, but it was
a long-time collector -- no, change that to investor, who had great dreams
of making much money off selling Liefeld art down the road, and who had been
in the business around my town for some while, and really should have known
better, especially considering who the advice was coming from.

And that's my thrilling Screw the Fan Boy story.

All this, admittedly, coming from a X-fan, but a wise and learned X-fan
(read:  no Wolverine, no silly x-overs, no X-Force, no X-factor if it wasn't
for PAD, no ...).

"First you bag 'em, then you eat 'em."
			--Harley Dorna Krispee,
			  on his large collection of post-expiration date
			  Twinkees,  Richard Darwin #17
-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
dhenry@plains.nodak.edu * ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet * ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Good Week Reviews, 8/22/92: NEXUS, THE ORIGIN
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 02:40:33 GMT

Good Week Reviews is an irregular series, published whenever
spare time and a good batch of comics happen to converge.  This
week, praise Ghu, is one of those weeks.

Rating scale: excellent, good, acceptable, poor, awful

Comparisons: Nexus beats the snot out of The Punisher

Editorial Comment: I *hate* when the all the followups to a review of
eight different books all get lumped under the Subject of the review
title.  Eight different threads under one subject.  Feh.  Each Good
Week Review is posted separately with the issue in the Subject line.

NEXUS, THE ORIGIN
Writing: Mike Baron
Art: Steve Rude (pencils), Gary Martin (inks), Noelle Giddings (colors)
Ratings: Writing good, art good, overall good.

Baron and Rude are back, and they've picked up by this beautiful
retelling of the origin of Nexus.  If you've wondered what all the
fuss was about, this book will kick-start you into the Nexus stories.
From this point Nexus will be monthly thru February of 1993; assuming
Baron and Rude continue with their usual high quality you should
really enjoy the ride.

That said, I have a couple of nits to pick.

First, the printing and paper is gorgeous -- more gorgeous than the
artwork.  Rude is a fun and thoughtful artist, but his work on the
interior pages is not improved by using better paper.  For this kind of
stock and price a painted (or at least, better-colored) interior would
be more appropriate.  Please cut back a step and drop the price to
something less than $3.95.  On the other hand, the cover is worth the
stock.

Second, there is very little here for the old fan.  Yes, it's a good
retelling.  But there's just not much that I couldn't have gotten by
rereading the back issues.

The final recommendation -- if you've heard about Nexus and wondered
what the fuss was, get this issue.  If you're an old time fan and
more of a reader than a collector, don't bother.
-- 
 "Voodoun is a very interesting religion for the whole family, even those
  members of it who are dead."
		-- "Good Omens", by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:1397 rec.arts.animation:3394 rec.arts.tv:16624
From: person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett G Person )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: [SDCC] Re: BATMAN CARTOON
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:26:43 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

I have a FOX affiliate here that just runs FOX programming at night.
Is this just going to be on the all-fox network, or do nighttime fox
stations get a chane to show it too?

-- 
Brett Person
Guest Account	
North Dakota State University
person@plains.nodak.edu || person@plains.bitnet
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: BIG NUMBERS
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:36:30 GMT

rory@bluemoon.rn.com (Rory McIntyre) writes:
> Speaking of _Big Numbers_, I have been trying for who knows how long
> to get a copy of BN #2, and everyone in this burg has failed me miserably.
> I would appreciate it greatly if someone out there can point me in the 
> right direction so I can (finally) purchase this.  Anyone have an extra 
> copy or know a person or shop that does?  Thank you, thank you, thank you.
> (hoping to get sympathy points for groveling).

I suggest that you order a copy from Tundra, who is going to be
publishing the series from now on.  They're located in Nothhampton,
MA. and do alot of mail order (and do it WELL!).  Check a copy of any
Tundra publication for their address, and send a reqeust to them.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James Dusek)
Subject: Re: Popularity in Comics (was Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:17:25 GMT

sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:
>wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.140145.16334@ryn.mro4.dec.com> midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com writes:
>>>Okay, gents/ladies, I give up.
>>>Did Rob Liefield beat up your collective sisters, or something?  Did he insult
>>>your grandma?  Does he make obscene phone calls to your local pastor?  Does he
>>>hang cute little bunny rabbits by their ears?  What?  What?

	No,NO,Maybe,most likely.

	My friend took a youngblood #1 to a con for him to sign. He said
"Oh, This pice of shit"

	When it was handed to him.

>>I think it is a combination of (1) they are jealous of him, (2) most
>>people who purchase his work (and the other Image creators' work) do
>>not seem to even look at what is inside the cover, (3) it is "in" and
>>"cool" to not like him, and (4) Image comics are "popular".

	1 HAHAHAHAHAHHA No way. 2 They can't read whats inside of the cover.
3. It is in to like him. 4. Image comics are a fad.

James
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From: Greg Clow <ecurrent@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Comix mailing list?
Reply-To: ecurrent@zooid.UUCP (Greg Clow)
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:31:18 GMT

Does the COMIX mailing list still exist?  If so, could someone email me the
address?  Thanks...

Greg
sizone!ecurrent@ee.ryerson.ca
ecurrent@zooid.guild.org
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: MOSAIC-sitting in the nose bleed seats
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:15:55 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        Due to the peer pressure I felt from some recent postings, I went out
and bought the first five issues of MOSAIC.  I want to thank everyone involved
for helping me waste my money.  Actually I'm kidding, the book was okay.  It
lived up to the reviews I had heard about it almost to the letter.  
        "MOSAIC is a book that falls somewhere between DC's superheroes line
and their mature readers line..."  I couldn't agree more.  And that's the
problem.  Actually there are two problems.  The first, is that for this book to
really work and become the pyshcological drama it hopes it'll grow up to be, it
needs to go the mature readers line.  There is some great stuff being contained
in these pages and it's just waiting to explode.  But to do that, it needs the
freedom that the MR line can give it.
        The second problem is that Gerard Jones is a dip.  Now don't get me
wrong, he has some great ideas, but he just doesn't seem to be able to execute
them very well.  So far, the storylines have been pretty standard and
predictable, with only the background characters to provide much interest. 
(Number five is the exception, with a interesting story delving into the minds
and perceptions of John Stewart and Hal Jordan.  I won't ruin anymore of it for
you.)  I'd like to see Gerard deal less, at least right now, with the Mosaic
world and more with the mosaic of John Stewart's mind.  Everyone says that
John's supposed to be visting the funny farm, but I don't see it in the
character.  I don't believe that John's really crazy or at least on the verge 
of some heavy breakdown.  
        Either they need someone like Gaiman or Milligan or Morrison to write
this book, or Gerard needs to put down the super-hero pencil for awhile and
concentrate on the reality of his surreal world.

                                                Have a nice day.

                                                        S H Y L O C K

mental 
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From: kmcintyr@unix1.tcd.ie (CIONN)
Subject: Re: 2000AD RULES
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:00:37 GMT

In <keYuD0e00hYu0xGlVs@andrew.cmu.edu> jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (James D. Zelenka) writes:

>Hmmm, favorite 2000 AD stuff... tricky, there's so much of it :-)


>Friday is OK as Rogue, though I'll miss the old Rogue with the
>bio-chips (yeah, I know it was kinda hokey, but it's one of the
>first 2000 AD stories I ever read).

Guess who are coming back to 2000 AD -- The Biochips.
The War Machine (Written by Dave Gibbons Art by Will Simpson was the best
ever Rogue story. It looked like the new rouge trooper would be brilliant.
Enter the new writer (my mind has gone blank I can't remember his name)
He has messed up completley and the new Rogue has easily become IMHO the
worst ever 2000 AD story.
 

>There have been some really awful stories, though, too... Harlem heroes
>comes to mind, along with some of the Dredd stories, and ABC warriors
>(all the versions). for some reason, they really grate on my nerves.
>Some of the Sam Slade stories were a little forced, too. 

Hmm The first series of Harlem Heroes was pretty good. The new one had potential
but was wasted. I don't recall any awful Dredd stories except maybe the story
lines in the first few. The ABC warriors has always been a favourite and always
will. The early Slade was Brilliant, hillarious at times and is sadly missed
along with Ace Garp (another classic).

I have to agree though that there have been some terrible stories.
To name a few : Dry Run, Tae De Moto, Zippy Couriers, Moon Runners,      
                 Chronos Carnival and Junker.

Some of the best : Dredd (Of course), Nemises (especially the earlier books)
                 Anderson, Dr & Quinch, Strontium Dog and the recent Button Man.

The current Megazine and Judge Dredd cross over 'Judgement Day' could possibly
be the best Dredd ever, even the best 2000 AD story ever. If possible buy both
(2000 AD) and the Megazine just for this story. 

           Kenny.

>-jim
>jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Definitive Lobo
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:57:37 GMT

I dunno...to me the definitive Lobo will always be the ones drawn by MacGuire 
in JLI and the LEGION covers.  I like Biz's version too, but more for the 
background details and outrageously defined muscles he puts on Lobo (scary 
thing is, that that is exactly what real bodybuilders can have for muscle 
definition, yet on Lobo it looks like an exaggeration).  I mean, ya won't see 
the killer penguins in LEGION.  After MacGuire, my fave Lobo is Kitson.  I 
dislike it when they overdo the kohl around Lobo's eyes, as Biz and his 
imitators do.
     Dave Van Domelen, almost bought a copy of Lobo's first appearance for 
25cents around when he was first appearing in JLI, but passed on it and is now 
kicking himself
From: eja@soc12.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DC Shakeup??
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:54:33 GMT


Has anyone heard rumors or confirmation thereof that six DC editors
have jumped ship and headed to Darkhorse?  Mike Eury is almost certainly
not working at DC anymore, anyone know what he is doing?

Eric Akawie : freelance Messiah
eja@acpub.duke.edu
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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Gaiman's and DC's plans
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 04:10:51 GMT

jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W Lai) writes:

>Nonsense.  We haven't even begun to issue the commemorative Destruction suit of
>armor from the Franklin Mint, each detail hand-crafted; as well, the dents in
>the armor are replicated as accurately as possible from authentic dented suits
>of armor.  Or the Desire chess set, sold by one piece a month; you do want this
>fine set, carved and painted by the most skilled artisans, don't you?  Or the
>Delirirum set of psychedelic dinner plates, said to be so effective that one
>can experience vertigo near the end of a meal served on them.

Nonsense, it's got to be a Delirium chess set -- no two pieces alike in
shape or color (not even from moment to moment), no instructions, and
you're guaranteed to always be at least one piece short.
-- 
 "Voodoun is a very interesting religion for the whole family, even those
  members of it who are dead."
		-- "Good Omens", by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett