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From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: Dell SVR$ (and Dell hardware) total
Summary: Dell SVR4 and Postscript printers
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc., Chicago, IL
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:12:16 GMT
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In article <1992Jul18.002830.9207@dellunix.d> donn@dellunix.dell.com writes:
>
>In article <z5-mfvq@dixie.com>, stan@dixie.com (Stan Brown) writes:
>|> 
>|>     I have been trying to get my HP LJ11 (with Postscript+ cartridge)
>|> 	to work corectly with Dell's SVR4 and Dell hardware for about 4
>|> 	weeks now.  I can't get it to work relaibly by hoook or by crook
>|> 	and now I can't even get the suport people to call me back on it.

Perhaps you have an incorrect setup or a bad cable.  HP Laserjets with
Postscript cartridges are tricky, especially if you're not careful with the
front-panel options on the serial port (Robust XON and the other
HP-specific options come immediately to mind).

One other possibility.  If this is a Pacific Page cartridge, and in
particular an old one, you may have an old implementation.  This has been
known to happen.

>|> 	If *anyone* has this working corectly (serial port prefered) I
>|> 	would *really like to know about it since the people at Dell
>|> 	suport seem to be unable (or is that unwiling) to provide suport
>|> 	on this one.

Yes, I have this working correctly.  I run postscript (and HP-style) jobs
all the time from Dell SVR4.  

These days (the last two months) I moved the printer to a PC running
NOS+LPD, because I needed to move the printer a couple of hundred feet from
the system unit.  Thus, I don't have it on a serial port anymore.  But it
was.... and it did work quite nicely on a Digiboard serial port for several
months.

BTW, the Ethernet + NOS solution is faster :-)

>|> 	Geuss it's time to find out what Compaq is selling these days.

Boy, that'll do you a lot of good!  They'll gladly sell you SCO at 4x the
price for 1/2 the functionality, and won't support the HP printer in that
configuration (third-party Postscript + unknown cable) either!

>Bull.  Dell neither makes nor sells the HP LJII (with Postscript+ cartridge),
>nor did we make the cable your using... so your complaint is unjustified.
>We're familiar with your problem - even in development we've heard your
>whining, and frankly you're not making your case any stronger.

Sounds like this guy's been seeing how many minutes he can put on your 800
number at Dell...

>We use a postscript printer in our lab and it works fine... when it's all
>hooked-up and set-up correctly.  So you most assuredly are not hooked-up
>or set-up correctly.  

I second this -- my postscript printer works, and is set up correctly.  

And I'm running DELL SVR4.

The problem ain't in the OS or print spooler; of that much I am quite
certain.

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From: poling@dayton.saic.com (Steven Poling)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: HELP! ISC 3.0 & gcc 2.2.2 install
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:33:34 EDT
Organization: Science Applications Intl. Corp., Dayton, Ohio

	Help! I have been trying to install cnews, nntp, and gcc on my ISC 3.0
	box and things could be better.  I have read the README file and 
	configured the software with the command.

	configure i386-isc

	Make command is:

	make LANGUAGES=c

	I do not the GNU Make program installed though, I am using the make
	program that comes with the ISC Software Development System.

	I get an error code 2 when the make script tries to execute the
	following command line:

	cp ./enquire.c . > /dev/null 2>&1

	And after four gcc compile command lines I get an error code 4
	when the script tries to execute:

	./enquire -f > tmp-float.h

	Any help with getting gcc installed will be GREATLY appreciated.
	I am evaluating the ISC software as a cnews w/nntp news server.
	
	please send all replies to:

	poling@dayton.saic.com or poling@ccmail.dayton.saic.com

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From: mpark@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Park)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Comm problems (Sys V R4)
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:07:05 GMT
Reply-To: mpark@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

(Posting for a friend, who says):

I've recently installed SVR4 from Consensys on my 386.  I've had
quite a pack of problems with this package, most of which have
turned out to be my own fault, but now I'm stumped.

I can't seem to get the serial port set up properly.  It looks like
the OS is one character late.  Example: Type in "date" and you see
"dat".  Hit CR and the "e" shows up.  Another character is needed
before you get output.  Needless-to-say, this makes for an
aggravating interface, especially when logging in.  I blame the OS
because the serial port works fine under DOS and SCO Sys V.

Anyone got any ideas or tips for further diagnostic research?

advTHANKSance

E-mail responses preferred

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From: dominic@scooter.genie.uottawa.ca (Dominic Richens)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: kermit
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:45:07 GMT
Reply-To: dominic@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca
Organization: MCRLab - University of Ottawa
Originator: dominic@shamin.genie.uottawa.ca


In article <1992Jul22.075508.28002@jabaru.cec.edu.au>, d10590@tanus.oz.au (Robert Chalmers) writes:
! Is kermit available for the SCO as public domain? If not, where can I buy a
! copy please?

Have I got a deal for you!  You can get kermit, not only free, but already
compiled for SCO 3.2.2, from popeye.genie.uottawa.ca in /pub/sco-odt.

enjoy!
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From: baxter@slcs.slb.com (Ira Baxter)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Extent-based Filesystems (was: Large Application data sets )
Keywords: OS, disk allocation, extents
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:18:30 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger Laboratory for Computer Science


A number of microprocessor based OSs had "extent-based" filesystems,
if you mean one in which files were allocated as a group of sequential
chunks of disk space. The vintage 73 Datapoint 5500 (if I remember right)
had it, and its apparant conceptual son, Motorola's floppy-disk only MDOS.

For SDOS (an OS for Motorola 6800s), I personally implemented a file system which allocated extents of clusters (fixed size chunks of contiguous blocks), recorded every cluster allocated in a file "header cluster" (gauranteed 2-seek worst case random access for arbitrarily large files).  For open files, the file system would dynamically recover the extents when accessing the file to optimize sequential reads; often, this also reduced random access to single seeks.
 
-- 
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Schlumberger Laboratory for Computer Science
8311 North RR 620   [for snail mail, use PO Box 200015 instead]
Austin, Texas, 78720
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi)
Subject: Re: Re: Expensive books (was Re: The Elements of Programming Style)
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:04:52 GMT

In article <7280001@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> shrum@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ken Shrum) writes:
>> Now, I don't *know* that it is a gouging job -- but I'd sure like to see
>> some kind of explanation for the costs.  Where does the money *go*?
>
>Small-run books are expensive because they reflect the fixed costs of
>the publisher being spread over a small number of physical books and
>because there's substantial risk in small-run books: most small-run
>books lose money for the publisher, so the one's that make money have
>to carry the others.  In a way, it's a lot like venture capitalism.
>
>    Ken Shrum


how come textbooks in UK are way cheaper when compared to the US ?
This is even though most courses do not require a particular book i.e
notes are enough and the market in UK is much smaller than the US.
When I was studying there the most expensive book ever recommended was
'The Art of Electronics' which cost about 19 pound. This is in 1989 and we
felt outraged. Usually the recommended books were between 8 to 14 pounds.
Studying here in Canada, I found required books costing $60-90 were 
almost routine. It makes me think there is someone trying to make a quick 
buck.

waseem
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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: bair@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (matthew.a.bair)
Subject: Genetic Alg/ Evolution Sim
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:40:58 GMT


Netters,

I am looking for information about genetic algorithms and evolution
simulations.  In particular, I am looking for entry level information and
possibly some example code.  If anyone has some information I might be
interested in or might be able to point me in the right direction, I
would be grateful.

Thanx,

Matt Bair
bair@ihlpm.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: greyham@research.canon.oz.au (Graham Stoney)
Subject: Re: Software costs revisited?
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:10:49 GMT

gregor@cs.tu-berlin.de (Gregor Engelmeier) writes:
>In Brad Cox's book: "Object Oriented Programming" from 1986, he
>quotes an inquiery carried through by the U.S. Goverment Accounting
>Office in 1979, in wich a breakdown of software costs versus actual
>results is performed (FGMSD-80-4). The results at that time were:

Just as badly misquoted then as now. Check the study again; these results were
from a survey of projects _that were known to be in trouble at the time_. They
do _not_ represent a cross section of all software projects.

Graham
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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: lmiller@aero.org (Lawrence H. Miller)
Subject: Re: The Hot Designer
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:04:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.035349.18906@cs.su.oz.au> timc@minnie.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Tim Brabin Cooper) writes:
>
>The Hot Designer
>================

		The KID actually did a surprisingly good job,
		considering all the responsibility he has.
>
>	He took immediate command of the design of their new Video Rental
>System.

		The one and only designer.

>After a week he had the design finalised, and within several months
>the prototype was ready.

		The one and only programmer.

>
>	The new kid sat down, and carefully explained why the things had
>to be organised that way.

		The human factors and user interface expert.
>
>	One of the customers who was beta-testing the program phoned up
>with some complaints.

		Handles customer complaints.

>
>	The boss told him:
>	'I want the menus completely re-designed.'

		Again, the one and only human factors
		and user interface expert.

>	The Marketing Manager told the Kid that the program should have
>a keystroke record facility, so the users could re-use common sequences
>of keystrokes.

		Gathers requirements; responsible for the spec.

>
>	The boss eventually decided to show the user a usability study
>of his software. They paid a university undergraduate $5 an hour to try
>out the program.

		Runs usability studies.


	So, what can we learn: well, putting all your eggs
	in one basket is not such a good idea.  How about 
	reviewing design?  How about building prototypes?
	How about usability studies conducted by people
	who know what they're doing?  How about human factors/
	UI experts getting involved with the design right
	from day 1?  How about knowledgeable, experienced
	people working with customers to develop requirements?

	You can think of lots of others too.  How about the
	cost of all these skills?  How about the cost of a
	system that fails?
-- 
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PO Box 92957		LA, CA 90009-2957
lmiller@aero.org	310-336-5597
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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: goutal@hammer.crim.ca
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Methodologies
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:29:03 GMT
Reply-To: goutal@hammer.crim.ca
Organization: CRIM

Hi,

I am looking for comparative analyses of system developement methodologies. 
If somebody knows interesting books or papers comparing:

different structured analysis methodologies 
or
structured analysis versus object-oriented analysis
or
different real time methodologies
or 
expert system methodologies.

I would appreciate your help.

Jean Michel Goutal

Centre de Recherche Informatique de Montreal
Computer  Research  Institute of    Montreal
E_mail: goutal@crim.ca
From: rwt@ohm.york.ac.uk (Richard Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Expensive books (was Re: The Elements of Programming Style)
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:08:09 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <1992Jul21.190452.20125@sco.COM> waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi) writes:

>In article <7280001@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> shrum@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ken Shrum) writes:
>>> Now, I don't *know* that it is a gouging job -- but I'd sure like to see
>>> some kind of explanation for the costs.  Where does the money *go*?
>>
>>Small-run books are expensive because they reflect the fixed costs of
>>the publisher being spread over a small number of physical books and
>>because there's substantial risk in small-run books: most small-run
>>books lose money for the publisher, so the one's that make money have
>>to carry the others.  In a way, it's a lot like venture capitalism.
>>
>>    Ken Shrum


>how come textbooks in UK are way cheaper when compared to the US ?
>This is even though most courses do not require a particular book i.e
>notes are enough and the market in UK is much smaller than the US.
>When I was studying there the most expensive book ever recommended was
>'The Art of Electronics' which cost about 19 pound. This is in 1989 and we
>felt outraged. Usually the recommended books were between 8 to 14 pounds.
>Studying here in Canada, I found required books costing $60-90 were 
>almost routine. It makes me think there is someone trying to make a quick 
>buck.

Not at all - I can not comment on Candada, but certainly for the
US-UK point of view, books are *very* much cheeper in the US. I
alsways stock up on my textbooks when I am over there.

Richard


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From: bowdidge@cs.ucsd.edu (Robert Bowdidge)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: The Hot Designer
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:21:08 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego


In article <1992Jul29.035349.18906@cs.su.oz.au>, timc@minnie.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Tim Brabin Cooper) writes:
|> 
|> The Hot Designer
|> ================
|> 
|> 	All of ELDA and associates was excited about a new interface-
|> designer/programmer whizz-kid who just joined the firm.

Considering what I know of human factors type, I have a feeling this guy was more
programmer than interface designer...

But he probably won an award for his design :-)  If he wasn't fictional, I'd
send him a copy of "The Design of Everyday Things."

-- Robert
bowdidge@cs.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: Extent-based Filesystems (was: Large Application data sets )
Followup-To: comp.software-eng
Organization: The World
	<1992Jul21.113652.4898@metapro.DIALix.oz.au>
	<1992Jul22.194214.20451@sequent.com>
	<MOSS.92Jul23092718@ibis.cs.umass.edu>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 08:53:03 GMT


From: moss@cs.umass.edu (Eliot Moss)
>It is certainly *possible* to related extents to structure. For example, some
>IBM disks (in the earlier days anyway, not so sure now) were set up more like
>rotating tape drives in the sense that the user could determine the lengths of
>the blocks and where the physical inter-record gaps fell, and blocks did not
>have to be all the same size. These were allocated in cyclinders and tracks,
>of course, and a collection of standard formats were offered by the OS, but
>one could come up with new ones I believe. But this no longer seems the way to
>go on most systems; pre-formatting to a certain block size (and accepting a
>little waste) is just easier, more portable, etc.

If anyone wonders what is meant by "easier", in the old IBM OS/370
days if you could not remember the formatting of a file and you were
not a system wizard you basically could not open the file and would
get errors and forced exits if you specified the wrong details in a
job.

I remember people deleting files and re-creating them from tape or
cards or whatever because no one could find the job cards which
described how the files were formatted on disk and the OS's reaction
to a "guess" was basically to abort the job (unless the guess was
correct, of course.)

All files were opened in the JCL cards which preceded the job (again,
by most mortals, from Assembler you could do anything if you knew how,
but even that was difficult as the system call macros resisted certain
types of hackery), IBM OS/370 wanted all files pre-allocated before
the job ran because it used deadlock prevention (i.e. the job was
pre-empted until all files etc were available) of a rather primitive
sort.

Although my memory is rusty a JCL card to open a file looked roughly
like:

//SYSIN	dd	dsn=foo.bar,lrecl=80,blksiz=800,space=(80,80,RLSE),
		disp=(new,keep,delete)

which reads, roughly, open a file called foo.bar which later will be
referred to by the logical name SYSIN (sort of like a Unix fd but
symbolic, you could have numeric LUN's also), its logical record size
is 80 blocked 10 per block (80*10=>800), and allocate space for (here
I'm very rusty, help), 80 blocks, 80 more blocks if I go over that,
and RELeaSE any I don't use at the end of the job, disposition is a
new file, keep the file if I succeed (exit with R15==0), otherwise
delete the file on any failure.

There were, of course, about 200 other things you could say on that
card (literally.)


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From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: SEI Process Maturity Model
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:38:29 EST

In article <5385@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, robertsi@cs.man.ac.uk (Ian Robertson (BCW MSc 89)) writes:
> Scott's response concentrates only on the `making of things. `Software 
> design processes' do NOT yield `components being assembled'.
Unless you take the view that the design must be integrated and the parts of
the design must be assemble.  It is only a paper assembly, but an assembly
nonetheless.
> 
> Scott, you missed the point I was trying to make.  When
> we DESIGN things we describe them so that someone else can MAKE them. Whether they get made by a
> man and a boy in a backyard or in a robotised assembly line depends on lots of issues, only
> some of which are related to the design. 
> 
> The design is a description of what is to be made. The designer has a specification, or a brief,
>  or whatever, and uses his/her knowledge, experience, training, ingenuity to come up with a
> `best' description of the artefact such that people who may not be so good at `designing'
> things can go off and make it (of course the corollary is also true; people who are good at
>  designing are usually pretty useless at making). This description can be verbal, narrative or
>  graphical; usually the latter.
Don't forget that the design has to be "made" also.  It does not instantiate 
itself.  
[...]

George Kambic
standard disclaimer

Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: exuslh@exu.ericsson.se (Sherry HArris)
Subject: Critical paths for software	
Reply-To: exuslh@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:05:58 GMT

I am looking for some information on Software critical path testing.  Has any
one used this methodology?  Do you know of any article or book references that
might contain this information?	

thanks in advance,

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From: Erik_Brown@transarc.com
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Configuration Management
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:24:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: transarc.UeRcs8r0BwxLEbfX84
Distribution: world
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

ben@bailey.UUCP (Ben Bailey) writes:
> I'm particularly interested in commercial packages that run on HP Unix
> systems. I work for a large company, and shareware, etc., can't be
> considered, regardless of how good or cheap the product is.  They must be
> commercial packages.

The HP OpenView product is sold by HP and performs a number of
management services.

On this thread, does anyone know whether SNMP (System Network
Management Protocol) or MIB (Management Information Base) documents
are available on-line?  Any pointers appreciated.

Erik Brown
Organization: Ministry of Education, Computer Center NETNEWS system V2.3
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 08:16:05 EST
From: <GRFG086@TWNMOE10.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject:    IFPUG

Greeting from Taiwan!

I am Feili Brenda Tu, and I am serving as a reference librarian in the Informat
ion and Computing Library, Taipei, Taiwan, THE REPUBLIC OF CHINA. I have a patr
on who needs to know about "International Function Point User Group (IFPUG)."
My patron would like to know everything about IFPUG, inclusing its contact info
rmation, its members, its activities and so on. According to his description,
this user group was organized by some people from information industry, and it
serves for discussing the issues of software engineering, software development
and project management ... etc. I am wondering whether there is anyone who know
s about this user group and is willing to share his/her information with me.
You could either send me an e-mail to my node/id: GRFG086@TWNMOE10, or share it
in this forum. I do appreciate your help.

Feili Brenda Tu
Reference Lirbarian
Information and Computing Library
13F, No. 106, Hoping East Road, Sec. 2
Taipei, 106-36, Taiwan
THE REPUBLIC OF TAIWAN
TEL: 886-2-737-7739
FAX: 886-2-737-7740
BITNET: GRFG086@TWNMOE10
 LIBREF-L KENTVM  7/27/92
Feili Brenda Tu     Feili Brenda Tu      7/26/92 International Function Point U