HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Curry (Was: Scary in Japan)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 15:05:37 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Dept. of Nuclear Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: four-lab4.berkeley.edu

I see this a lot in Asian restaurants:

Gaikokujin (this refers to all persons who's native cultures tend not
to use chopsticks as the primary eating utensil) who always try to eat
rice off a plate with chopsticks.

What's wrong? Nothing really, but...

First of all, the old way of serving rice was not on a plate.  This is a
result of western influence.  The traditional Asian way is to serve rice
in a bowl.  The bowl is lifted in one hand and scooped out with the
chopsticks into the mouth.  Japanese or California Rose rice is a bit
stickier than Long grain Chinese or Texas rice and can be
handled in the first few mouthfuls with chopsticks alone.  But to get
the dregs at the bottom requires the above-mentioned "scoop" technique.

With the advent of plates, and casserole-type rice cuisines (like curry
rice or fried rice, etc)  which you serve on a plate or wide bowl, the
chopstick becomes combersome and inefficient.  It's more natural to use
a fork for dry, separated rice like fried rice and a spoon for rice with
gravy in it like curry rice.

I'm not sure where these "unwritten" rules for eating utensils came
from, but for me they came as a natural evolution from growing up with
hungry siblings in a big family. Inefficiency in eating meant I was
punished with less food.  :-0!

Another example where this evolution has taken place is at most Chinese
and Japanese restaurants.  (Having worked in one before and been in many
kitchens)  Observe what the cooks use to eat when it's busy and they have
only a few minutes to do so.  If it's noodles or anything long or with
large pieces, you can bet it'll be chopstix, but if the food is small
grains or gooey and on a plate, you can bet it'll be fork or spoon.

IMHO, it may be that gaikokujin always try to eat Oriental foods with
chopsticks because they believe it's customary to do so, even if it's
inefficient to do so.  I guess there's nothing wrong with that except,
if you're ever eating with me, you'd better be quick, because if you
snooze, you lose! :-).

Jaa, James

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
James C. Liu - Okay!  I admit I'm a karaoke addict.  Tuesday's and Friday's.
               Cafe Jun.  Berkeley.  On University just across from the UC
               theatre next to Round Table Pizza. Japanese, Korean, and
               English songs.  See ya there!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Ryuichi Sakamoto
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:11:38 GMT
	<1992Oct12.035016.3012@u.washington.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


             Before I go home I would like ask about Ryuichi Sakamoto's
new Album. I bought the last one "Beauty" on the record Virgin Label. I
also heard that he did a concert back in February of this year. Did he
record another since than? I've been in America since early 1987 and I
haven't came back home since.
I would be grateful for this help. Thanks
From: mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: More Understandable Titles Please(was THIS ONE PROVES IT! etc.)
Date: 16 Oct 92 10:29:47 GMT
Organization: Institute of Physical & Chemical Research (RIKEN) Saitama,Japan

In article <8erMSO600WBKI21tVB@andrew.cmu.edu> ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>Dear Noduyasa Kanekawa,
      ~~~~~~~~
I am very doubtful that Mr. Rikiya Asano says himself as he was brought up
in Hokkaido, Japan.  I can't imagine a native speaker of Japanese would 
not notice that a name like "Nodu-yasa" is impossible or meaningless.
Most of the Japanese will judge this as mistyping made by a person who
has not much knowledge on Japanese.  

>
>                             I'm glad that you are not mad at me. I was
>taking a big risk in expressing my feelings. I was very afraid. But, my
>love for brotherhood and Humanity became more important than fear. So,
>I'm sorry if at times I caused you frustration and choas. And, if I
>didn't than I'm very happy.
>
>
>                                        Thank you for your edifying suggestions
>you are very important to me. Please write me. 

Why do you have to call yourself as a Japanese, Mr. Rikiya Asano?
I don't want to believe a non-Japanese would make a rude behavior (e.g.
all those CAPITAL LETTER stuffs!) in order to make a bad impression on
Japanese.

Correct me if I am wrong.  

--
 Masahiko Tachibana	          E-mail:  mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp
 Lab. of Organometallic Chemistry,   Tel:  +81-48-462-1111 ext.3513
 The Institute of Physical and       Fax:  +81-48-462-4665
 Chemical Research (RIKEN), Wako-shi, 351-01 Japan.
From: wsaito@ucrac1.ucr.edu (William H Saito)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Okinawa stereotypes
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:55:59 GMT
Reply-To: wsaito@ucrac1.ucr.edu


	I'm part Okinawan, where did you get all of those stereotypes?!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk)
Subject: Re: Shameless Japaness must recognize and apologize for Invasion China 
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:45:10 GMT

Dear netters,

Mark is at it again. Let's give a small example of his logic:

Once upon a time,
I beat up Mark and take over his house
The police arrest me and restores Mark's property and then let me go
Now Mark hits his dog

Many years later, Mark wants me to apologise for what I've done to him
I say: "Mark! You hit your dog! Why look at me!"

Need I say more!?

--
Martijn van der Valk                |          e-mail: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl
Faculty of Computer Science / SPA   |                      phone: +53-893795
University of Twente, P.O. Box 217  | BROADCAST BRA
7500 AE Enschede, The Nederlands    | Pegasus; Esprit BRA 6865
From: blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: My Grandfather...
Keywords: food
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:20:24 GMT
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <1992Oct13.214224.26196@u.washington.edu>,
yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:

> I guess we're all in agreement here. The point is that sushi doesn't
> have much taste, or to put it in a better language, it has "delicate
> flavor".  Less sweet drinks such as ginger ale, I think, allow one
> to enjoy the flavor of sushi better than a heavy tasting beverage such
> as Coke. One can go further and have green tea (w/o sugar!), dry beer,
> mineral water, etc.  I've never tried dry wine, but it might work.

Err... don't forget that wine made from rice and served steaming hot
in small bottles... what's it called (^?^) You know... that stuff
that no matter how much you have... it's not enough... You know...
they put in those little cups... what the hell _is_ that stuff...

To Mike Fester: How is Coke with Tofu Sushi?
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 23:39:39 -0400 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re:Re the Rikiya Asano rants

Mark,

      First you label me as a "Dai-Nippon Teikoku". Now, you want to
take away my indentity. Too, the faculty at Cmu's Art Dept. already
tried and failed I
might add. Maybe other Japanese consider this label as "A part of
History" but I 
have two many friends from China, Taiwan, Indonesian, Thailand, Korea,
even a few friends from Nanking).And many other places in Asia. So, you
are in Nippon
But right Fattche from Singapore Is reading while I'm write to you. I
would be as two faced as you are if I were to even accept such a label
knowing how much 
destruction/misrey The Imperial Japanese System left on the rest of
Asia. You never heard an Japanese talk like this in Nihon. But, I'm not
in Japan you fool.
No, i'll take that back your NOT THE FOOL, I'm the fool for wasting my
time write to you. By one thing I will leave you with Sir, I may be easy
to convince 
island people but and island is just that.
From: harkcom@spinach.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (Alton Harkcom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Where are the Japanese?
Date: 12 Oct 92 06:35:07 GMT
	<TORKEL.92Oct8192024@bast.sics.se> <1992Oct8.223338.19494@sequent.com>
Organization: Yokogawa Electric Corporation, Tokyo, Japan
In-reply-to: cyf@sequent.com's message of 8 Oct 92 22:33:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.223338.19494@sequent.com> cyf@sequent.com (Cyrus Foughty)
   writes:

 =}Also when the Japanese say "hai" translated to "yes", it doesn't mean
 =}"yes", it means "I understand", not "I agree".  This gets
 =}misinterpreted by americans.

   This also get misunderstood by Japanese (though none will admit to
it :)...  Trying replying with "hai" during an explanation and give
no answer at the end (the usual circumstances where Americans make
the mistake).  It will be understood that you agree as you did not
raise any objection (same "silence is consent" as in the US)...

 =}Politeness is of key importance in Japan.

   In polite situations yes.  This is the same everywhere.  In Japan
however, there seem to be more "formalized niceties".  And even these
are being ignored by the young...

 =}My main point is that everyone
 =}should learn of other cultures before they start any dialouge with
 =}that culture.

   A catch-22...  You can't start a dialogue without knowing anything
and you can't know anything without starting a dialogue...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Harp of Burma
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:31:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan

As quoted from <1b6jc3INNo7d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> by cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood):

> 
> I've just read *Harp of Burma* by Michio Takeyama.  (First
> published in Japan 1946; this English translation by Howard
> Hibbett.)  Does anyone know how this book corresponds to real
> events during/after WWII?

Also rent the movie.  It's a classic of Japanese cinema.

The Japanese army really took it in the shorts toward the end of the Burma
campaign.  The destruction of the Japanese army is accurately depicted in 
spirit if not in particulars.

"Farewell to the King" approaches a similar situation from a different per-
spective.

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From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Neighbourly Etiquette
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:58:31 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Originator: ross-c@csparc2

In article <rreed.1uda@terapin.com> rreed@terapin.com (Rick Reed) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.005132.12549@mks.com>, stephe@mks.com (Stephen Walli)
>writes:
>>These small gifts do not seem to come in relation to any specific 
>>incidents. We are not accustomed to this practise and are a little 
>>uncomfortable with it, because we are unsure how to respond. 
>
>There is no reason for you to feel uncomfortable by these gifts.  It is just a
>very polite gesture in the Japanese culture.  Basically EVERYONE in Japan does
[Examples of presents and present use deleted]

Two points on this: When visiting Japanese houses of people (socialising on
the level of friends but as a proper dinner or weekend stay), I found that I
had a pattern which repeated reliably enough for me to expect it.

which was:

(1) on the first visit bring a gift. The host/hostess would thank me, but tell
me that it was not neccessary for me to bring a gift. On subsequent occasions
I didn't bring a gift.

Of course, some people might claim that this was just politeness and that I
committed continual fax paus when visiting afterwards without gifts, but I
don't think so. More formal situations did not prompt a "don't worry about
bringing a gift" disclaimer.

My personal preference with gifts was to choose consumables. The idea was that
the receiver would not have to fish out the gift and put it on the mantelpiece
for later visits. Also, most people's houses were cluttered enough already.

Many supermarkets have a floor with small food stalls selling biscuits, 100
types of coffee, alcohol, etc, etc, etc. I found going to one of these
places and asking what was a suitable gift for situation X worked quite well.

Cheers,

Ross-c
From: jice@echo.asd.sgi.com (John Eisenman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Ryuichi Sakamoto
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:46:49 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: echo.asd.sgi.com

In article <6443@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement) writes:
|> In article <4618@sinec.cent.saitama-u.ac.jp>
|> hash@ikarac5.ctrl.saitama-u.ac.jp (Toshihiko Hashimoto) writes:
|> >In article <6436@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R
|> Clement) writes:
|> >>only (IMHO) really interesting ones are two *excellent*
|> collaborations with
|> >>David Sylvian (this may be a bit biased as I am a Sylvian fan).
|> The songs
|> >>are:	Heartbeat (Tainai kaiki)
|> >>and	Cloud #9
|> >
|> >Actually, Tainai Kaiki collaborated with David Sylvian is 
|> >not included in the Japanese version.  He sang it at that
|> 
|> This is what I said in my posting. I was asking (out of curiosity)
|> if these
|> songs were present on the "Heartbeat" release in other countries,
|> e.g. rest
|> of Asia, Australia, US etc. Does anyone know?

I believe that they are -- but I haven't bought that album yet.  I
picked up the British cd single release of Heartbeat (Tainai kaiki)
before I saw the entire album.  When I saw the US release of the 
album, I noticed that this song was listed.  I assume that it is
the version with Sylvian singing.

|> 
|> >concert, and his voice really suited with Sakamoto's songs.
|> >We could find another collaboration by them in the movie
|> >sound track CD, "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence".  I do not
|> 
|> The same song "Forbidden Colours" is available on the Sylvian CD "Secrets
|> of the Beehive", a complete CD full of Sakamoto/Sylvian collaborations.
|> F.C. itself is actually the very well known "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence"
|> theme by R.S. with D.S. singing.
|> 
|> >know anything about "JAPAN"(this doesn't mean our country)
|> >at all, however, I love his voice.
|> 
|> Me too. (may I suggest "Secrets of the Beehive").
|> 
|> While we're on the subject of Japan(the group)/ex-YMO people collaborations,
|> does anyone know if the Takahashi Yukihiro/Steve Jansen collaborations are
|> available on CD yet? E.g. The E.P. "Stay Close", and Takahashi's album
|> "Wild and Moody" which includes the collaboration "Stranger things have
|> happened"?
|> 
|> Wondering whether this thread is suitable for soc.culture.japan,
|>

You might ahve more luck on rec.music.misc.  There is a Japan (the group)
related conversation every three months or so.  Why not start one.
 
|> Ross-c 

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From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ty Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: 50 YEARS AGO TODAY: October 11-14 - Guadalcanal
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:51:17 GMT
Organization: IBM
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <MS-C.718923095.1103527590.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>, Mark Crispin <mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> writes:
> As anxious eyes in Washington and To^kyo^ watched, war power poured into
> Guadalcanal.  The Japanese side sought to wipe out the American beachhead; the
> American side sought to hold it and to push the Japanese out.
> 
> On October 11, the US naval task force engaged the Japanese Navy near
> Guadalcanal.  In the wake of US victory in that confrontation on October 12,
> US Army units landed on Guadalcanal on October 13 to boost the American
> presence.
> 
> The Japanese reaction was swift and terrible.  Having failed to take Henderson
> Field on Guadalcanal on August 21, the Japanese turned to other means to deny
> its use to the Americans.  By October 14, Japanese bombardment had rendered
> Henderson Field unusable.  With this American lifeline now cut, the Japanese
> army began to mass for an major offensive.
> 

What does this news item have anything to do with the issues to be talked
in this newsgroup? Does this author intend to cite his little history
book on the net? This is not a place for teaching. Nip-phile is he indeed
by examining the machine name "Ikkoku-Kan".
-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ty Lee                                                                    */
From: kanekawa@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Nobuyasu Kanekawa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Shameless Japaness must recognize and apologize for Invasion China
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:58:12 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

vlee@dgp.toronto.edu (Victor Yuencheng Lee) writes:
: Only shameless people on earth will deny their deeds.
: 
: and that's exactly whay Japaness are doing.
: 
: 
: Only shameless people will try to cover up their shameless history.
: 
: and that's exactly what Japaness are doing.
: 
: 
: SHAMELESS Japaness.
: 
: You have to face history, your God damned Emperor must apologize!
: 
: GOD DAMNED Bloodless killer.

I agree that SOME of Japanese are really shameless as you write. But I would
like you to realize that the REST of Japanese are feeling terribly shameful
on the deeds made by shameless Japanese.  The problem is how to make these
shameless people recognize their stupid deeds.

I think many people of MANY countries made shameful conducts during the WWII
as Japanese did, and still doing now.
The most terrible thing is a war which drove people to terrible deeds.

-- 
Nobuyasu KANEKAWA  (E-mail address in Japan : kanekawa@hrl.hitachi.co.jp)
From: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Cookbook request
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:43:53 GMT
Reply-To: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

Can anyone suggest a good Japanese cookbook? I'm looking for a large, 
comprehensive book that includes various cooking methods, background on
ingredients, presentation, etc. Most of the books I've seen are either very
thin and make no mention of tepanyaki or shabu-shabu or the books consist of
American bastardizations of Japanese recipes. Any suggestions would be
appreciated. Thanks in advance.
-- 
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From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Buddhist Sects
Date: 16 Oct 1992 05:09:23 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbang.berkeley.edu

I can't let this go unchallenged.  I know several Soka Gakkai members.
While their smugness can be irritating, it is absolutely unthinkable that
they would resort to violence or intimidation to make converts.

-- 
Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil
Department of Mathematics     phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
United States Naval Academy

Neither do most Catholics look like the kind of people who would plant bombs
& kill pple, or molest children in the confession booth.

Come on, Els, put your brain in drive gear for a moment.  there are diverse
elements within each group, in any context.
From: keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: eternal damnation in baseball
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:47:29 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

Shinya Fujimoto <sf1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I wanted to post something earlier, but I just couldn't think of
>anything NICE to write because of the big shock of Tigers losing to the
>Swallows..... 

My sincere condolence to all Hanshin Tigers fans. Don't jump into
Dotonbori (a canal in Osaka) no matter how unhappy you are.
That "Tokyo Ondo," Swallows' cheer song, really gives us a migrane
headache, doesn't it?  You know, I still think Hanshin Tigers fans
a lot to cheer about these days. Listen, I am a loyal Yokohama
Whales fan. The Whales won the penant only once in 1964 and that
is it.

When I left for the USA about a decade ago, a friend of mine asked
when I would come back. I told him, a Tigers fan, that I would come
home when the Whales win the penant. He said, "So long. See you in
your next life!"  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: the Rikiya Asano rants
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:31:17 GMT

Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Mark,

>      First you label me as a "Dai-Nippon Teikoku". Now, you want to
>take away my indentity. Too, the faculty at Cmu's Art Dept. already
>tried and failed I
>might add. Maybe other Japanese consider this label as "A part of
>History" but I 
>have two many friends from China, Taiwan, Indonesian, Thailand, Korea,
>even a few friends from Nanking).And many other places in Asia. So, you
>are in Nippon
>But right Fattche from Singapore Is reading while I'm write to you. I
>would be as two faced as you are if I were to even accept such a label
>knowing how much 
>destruction/misrey The Imperial Japanese System left on the rest of
>Asia. You never heard an Japanese talk like this in Nihon. But, I'm not
>in Japan you fool.
>No, i'll take that back your NOT THE FOOL, I'm the fool for wasting my
>time write to you. By one thing I will leave you with Sir, I may be easy
>to convince 
>island people but and island is just that.  



I for one have been trying to extract the content from your posts. It
would seem that you have some interesting things to say , but you are
drowning those things in what reads like an emotional/immature or
drug modified stream of consciousness. The reason that you have generated
the responses that you have, is that your post do seem to be incoherent and
racist. I am assuming (a dangerous practice) that as a student (masters?)
at CMU your ability to communicate in English is much greater than what you
are demonstrating. Please use that ability. Allow those of us who are 
interested to follow your thoughts. It almost seems as if you are fearful
of reasonable , nonracist "whiteboys" (your term) and are purposefully
antagonizing  in order to prevent yourself from having to accept the reality
of their existance.

I include the quoted material above as an example of your writing that is 
unclear. Perhaps you could at least clarify your references. For example:

"So, you are in Nippon But right Fattche from Singapore Is reading while 
I'm write to you." 


Charlie 
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