HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio)
Subject: Re: Leg Protection for cold weather?
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com
Organization: SGI TechPubs
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:54:40 GMT


osborn@cs.utexas.edu writes:
|cj@sgi.com writes:
|>For warmth during cool weather (since nothing we've had so far
|>in northern Cal could be actually called "cold"), I've been
|>wearing spandex athletic shorts under my jeans.  Well, they're
|>not really "shorts", since the ones I've been using are
|>ankle-length.  

|)smirk(  Not to pick on you or anything, but this looks like
|a prime example of danskinaphobia - the masculine fear of
|wearing tights.  Or, in some cases, (see above) of rationalizing
|"Well, yes I'm wearing a skin-tight hip-to-ankle garment, but
|they're shorts, or running pants, not tights."  I think we can blame
|over-coffee'ed insecure phys-ed coaches for this one.  :)

HA!  If I were wearing tights, I'd say so.  Tights need to have
feet, I think, and these don't.  I have no machohood
to protect.  They're the pants I wear to the gym on cold days.
Today I wore the short ones, because I noticed that it's the
upper legs that get the wind blast.  

You can find some fairly heavy tights, which would probably be
great in the cold.  I'm not sure standard panty-hose would be
heavy enough to do much good.  I've been thinking about trying
stirrup pants, which wouldn't ride up under the jeans.

So nyah nyah.

|ObMoto:  I've been told that bicycling shorts are great for easing
| butt-burn.  Comments?

A friend tells me he wears them under his leather pants.  The
padded butt must help.  And I'm told some men's bike shorts have
extra "conveniences" to help the weaker sex protect their
vulnerable spot from getting mashed against the seat.  But I
wouldn't know anything about that.

---
C J Silverio	cj@sgi.com	ceej@well.sf.ca.us
'92 Seca II	DoD #0526
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: fucking BDI motorcycle drivers
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:12:27 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <4269@cvbnetPrime.COM>, rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:

   A strident response to the original post about a pesky tailgaiter, in
   a way that makes me think he protests too much, and for a duration that
   indicates he has way too much time on his hands,  and ....

> Ask ANYONE in this group what WE think about tailgaters - we don't like 'em

   Speak for yourself Rich, you're a big boy, you don't need us to back
   you up.

Terry


-- 
 | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "You got, ahh say you got it all     |
 | DoD# 541   'Debunkers of Dogma'    |  wrong son"      Foghorn Leghorn     |
 | HIFI#                              |                                      |
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CBX and other 6 cyl's
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:17:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <1992Nov20.093913.4739@microsoft.com> chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih) writes:
>In rec.motorcycles weiss@bdcv8 writes:
>;could follow Honda's lead and produce a V-8 masquerading as a V-4 (NR750).  
>
>The NR750 is a 32 valve inline 4.  It could possibly
>be described as a parallel 8 with very thin cylinder
>walls, but not really as a V-anything.

  Wrong, Grasshopper.  It is definately a Vee-4. Two cylinders sloped
forward, two cylinders sloped backward, common crankshaft, 4 twin-throat
carbs nestled between the cylinder banks.  It could also be described as
a VFR750 engine with very odd shaped pistons.  It was covered in detail
in "Automotive Engineering" a couple of months ago, an SAE publication.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Tricks
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:15:02 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Chris Malcolm (cam@castle.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
: 
: In article <1992Nov13.162111.28601@news.columbia.edu>, js13@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (J. Andrew Smith) writes:
: 
: > I used to live on a long, straight, fairly traffic-free street in New
: > Haven, and kids with bikes raced down it all the time in the LOUDEST
: > fucking bikes they could GET, and at the LATEST hours!  Therefore,
: > what SWEET revenge it would be to get some black wire or strong nylon
: > twine, tie in between two STRONG trees or posts at the right height
: > and THHHWINGGG!  Off with their delinquent, pimply little heads!
: 
: Somebody in London (UK) did just this, except it was wire. The biker
: it caught is in hospital, and is thought unlikely to speak again. The
: neighbours said there was a lot of local bad feeling against bikers
: with loud bikes.
: 
: -- 
: Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
: Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
: 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205


If I remember rightly, it was a woman who was trapped.  She was not one of
the kids responsible for the noise.

The rebels used to do this to the Brits in Cyprus, except that they used sharp
wire which used to decapitate the hapless rider.


Nick (the Headless Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Archbishop Makarios Fan Club


M'Lud.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ajft@ajft_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au (Adrian Tritschler)
Subject: Re: IS IT POSSIBLE??
Reply-To: ajft@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:55:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.163405.5986@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
|> >>Years ago when I was a young lad, we had a similar jerk racing
|> >>down a narrow residential street with his Z28.  
|> >>
|> >>One of my neighbors was in the construction business.  This man
|> >>brought home one of his dump trucks one day (and left it in his
|> >>driveway).  El Jerko comes racing up the street at +60 MPH and
|> >>Mr. Leonetti backs up the dump truck into the street...
|> >>
|> >>Needless to say this ended his drag racing days..
|> >
|> >Should have ended Mr Leonetti's days of freedom as well.
|> >I'd want to see him in jail...That kind of behaviour
|> >is not self-defence, it's vigilanteism.
|> 
|> The first case is clear cut.  The second case could just as easily
|> been a little old lady in her VW backing out of the driveway
|> that got hit.  If the Z28 driver couldn't avoid another vehicle
|> in a legitimate use of the road, then he paid for his carelessness.
|> In the first case, an unexpected (and damn near invisible) hazard
|> appeared in the road.  In the second, a predictable hazard appeared.
|> If you can't deal with other traffic, you're driving outside your limits.

Take care to read up on your local traffic laws, around here it is an offence
to reverse onto a public thoroughfare (ie from driveway onto road) and you
are meant to give way to traffic on the road (regardless of the speed it is
doing).
Still, a friend and I were tempted to create some impromptu speed humps out-
side her house last night, it's a 60 kph side street, but was getting used
as a high speed shortcut between two main roads.
 
|> Jonathan E. Quist                     INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
-- 
// Adrian Tritschler                     // ajft@ajft_sun.cs.adfa.oz.au      // 
||\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\|| (06) 268 8166/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\||
|| GS650G, ugly but interesting.         || Comp Sci Dept, ADFA              ||
\\                                       \\ Canberra, ACT, Australia         \\
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Subject: Re: Slip-sliding away (was Re: What would you ride...)
Originator: markk@sparcplug
Reply-To: markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:37:30 GMT


In article <9817@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>, ranck@joesbar (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Alex Matthews (alex@lyra.colorado.edu) wrote:
>: Future contributors to this thread should first complete the following
>: brain-teaser:
>: 
>: "You are riding your bike in a straight line.  Is your front wheel rotating
>: about its hub, or about its contact point with the road, or both, or
>: neither?"
>
>The wheel is definitely rotating about its hub.  It is not rotating about its
>contact patch.  Envision the wheel spinning at the same time it is travelling
>forward one inch off the road.  OK, now that you have this mini-wheelie 
>pictured let's assume that the tire touches down and contiues spinning at the
>same speed and so does forward travel.  It should be obvious that there is
>not rotation around the contact patch.  This is valid for straight line only.

If you are talking about pure rotation (rotation without translation)
relative to the ground, then you want to find the point on the tire
that has 0 velocity relative to the ground.  That point is at the
contact patch.  Like the contact patch, it's location on the ground
and tire changes constantly so we have to use terms like instantaneous
center of rotation.

--
)V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
1988 FZR400           1985 ZX900 Ninja              1977 RD400D
            "I'm just makin' this up as I go along."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Bikes Indoors (Was Re: SOMEONE TRIED T
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:16:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.192439.5600@balrog.dseg.ti.com> keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer) writes:
+In article <1du32dINNfh@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
+>
+>My attached garage (no firewall) contains, among other things:
+>
+>Regular gasolene
+>2-stroke gasolene
+>Assorted paints & solvents
+>Kerosene
+>Charcoal Lighter Fluid
+>Gun powder
+>Primer caps
+>Two vehicles with gas tanks 
+>Assorted power tools with attached gas tanks
+>A smoke detector
+>A fire extinguisher
+>
+Hey everyone, what's missing from this list?

Nuclear Weapons!
____________________________________________________________________________
Sorry, but I sent my .sig file out for a cleaning, so I have
nothing clever to say today.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: Adoption announcement
Reply-To: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:33:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.050715.11264@cs.ucla.edu> noemi@maui.cs.ucla.edu (Noemi Berry) writes:
>		*** Adoption Announcement ***!
>
>Reprinted without permission from _Family_Motorcycling_:
>
>Friday Nov, 20, 1992:
>
>The Berry residence would like to announce the addition of a
>new member: a BMW R65LS, known as NM (Noemi's Motorcycle)!

	Yaaaaaaaaahooooo... <applause>, <applause>...

>NM already has 850 more miles on it in two days of ownership, after an
		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Good start!

>bereaved of a Kawasaki CSR 305, NM's new owner is convinced that
>the kawi hari-karied (say that 3 times fast :-) ) to make room for
>the arrival of NM one week later.

	I hope this won't delay you from investigating the true cause of death.

>noemi

-------
"Don't believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear."  -  Lou Reed
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
'79 Yamaha XS750F -- '85 Toyota 4Runner -- Perception Corsica  |  NYC, NY.  |
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Clifford David Weston)
Subject: Re: Uneven pavement
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:13:48 GMT

In article <Bxn37o.KE6@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:

>Or you could take up dirt riding, and get some hands-on (or face, or
>other body parts, depending on your technique :-) experience.

Blaine, I get the impression from your articles that you may have been dirt-
riding and had a get-off in which you hit your face.  You're a little vague
on the details, and I've only seen you reference it once or twice.  If it's
true, could you fill us all with a gory play-by-play?  It's be so refreshing
to hear something new instead of the same tired, old comments.

>Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g

:-)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II (Tem)       |
|                                                                          |
|               This bike is in excellent condition.                       |
|               I've done all the work on it myself.                       |
|                                                                          |
|                     -- Glen "CRASH" Stone                                |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Frozen throttle cables
Summary:  ridinginawinterownderland...
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 18:40:57 GMT

lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>I have, on a number of occasions, suffered from frozen throttle return
>cable syndrome.  This affliction is revealed by a cold morning (under
>30 degrees F) shortly after a rain spell

This is a joke, right?

>glycol.  This has worked down to 20 degrees so far.  The cables

I hope that the office is in a straight line from your house and that you
can drive straight into the building and slow down on the office floor where
there's no ice. Jerry, either you've got ice-racing tires, or you're a 
complete crazy man!

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Icy streetcar tracks. Yeah, lotsa fun.
From: gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: British rides
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:21:07 GMT
Organization: The Laughing Gnome Software Farm
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Lissa Shoun (shoun@netcom.com) wrote:
>[...] Is it considered
>statutory rape for a 36 year old woman, just for example, to have
>sex with a 16 year old boy? Even if he has a motorcycle license? 

Only if the motorcycle is > 500cc.

Or was improperly mounted.


This .sig intentionaly left blank.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:17:43 GMT

In article <BxxoMr.F6@news.iastate.edu> tomes@iastate.edu () writes:
|
|Ok, I used the wrong term (polar moment).  But show me how an object
|can pivot about a point above the ground and still remain in contact with
|the ground (assume point touching the ground is the point farthest away
|from the CG in that immediate part of the object eg contact patch).
|The instantaneous roll axis for a singletrack vehicle MUST be the
|line between the two contact patches; otherwise the bike is off the ground
|by definition.  

Well, that all depends on whether you are of the "countersteering-works-by-
precession-from-when-you-turn-the-front-wheel" religion, or whether you prefer
the "countersteering-works-by-moving-the-contact-patch-out-from-under-the-cg"
denomination.  (Heathen "countersteering-don't-work" cultists are not welcome
to this discussion.)   When you come down to it, any force on the bike must
act on the cg of the bike.  If you think that the track goes straight, and
countersteering is from precession, then, yes, the cg will rotate about the
unmoving conact patch.  But, if you think that the bike steers out from under 
the cg, (my personal philosopy, btw), then by definition, the cg is moving 
straight, and the contact patch is rotating around it.  Now, of course, the 
cg must move up and down a bit, in order that the contact patch stays contacting, 
or you see the accident that you describe, when the wheel comes off the ground.
In fact, if you dive into a lean VERY quickly, you notice the suspension
unload from the straight-and-level position, just before it loads back down
from centripetal acceleration.  This is due to the up-and-down motion of the
CG.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Date: 16 Nov 92 20:48:57 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
: I was just watching cops on fox and they had a report on an accident
: 
: I might want to stop riding my bike.  I have always though about the
: possibility of getting into an accident and losing some body parts,
: but it is different when you see it happen!
: 
: anyway, I just thought you might be interested in hearing about this.
: I was shaken up a little.
: 
	Anybody out there ever know anyone to die in an auto accident?
Did you ever consider abondoning the automobile as a transportation
source?  Just a thought....

				Ryan
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: fucking BDI motorcycle drivers
Date: 19 Nov 1992 20:33:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 6089@sdc.com, kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki) writes:
>
>Do yourself
>a favor and keep a mature attitude when confronted by less than mature
>fellow human beings.

If we all followed this advise, bandwidth on rec.motorcycles would
triple overnight.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: TWO 1985 HONDA SPREE's FOR SALE
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:04:08 GMT

In article <13225@optilink.UUCP> walsh@optilink.UUCP (Mark Walsh) writes:
>From article <92321.113533SHARONH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, by SHARONH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (SHARON HUGHES-RUBINO):
>> YOUR VMID "ROOT" IS WHAT YOU CAN SHOVE WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE FOR YOUR
>> RUDE REPLY TO MY FIRST POST.
>
>Oh my, what a pleasant, articulate, and eloquent group
>I have subscribed to!

It's a good thing that you caught us on one of our better days :-)

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
Subject: Re: VIRTUAL REALITY machines
Reply-To: johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:00:07 GMT

=>Just imagine it. If it was really good you could have a really fast bike
=>and push it to its limits all the time. No cops, slow cagers, or things
=>to piss you off, and fall off without getting hurt. That would be so much  
=>fun.

It could be required participation for moto safety courses.  You would be  
much more careful after you had been through an entire wreck and didn't get  
off easy by passing out.

John
--
-=+ John S. Roberts, Jr.        Office: 100 McVey Hall +=-
-=+ Communications Consultant    Phone: (606) 257-2275 +=-
-=+ University of Kentucky        Home: (606) 272-1417 +=-
-=+ Computing Center            Ham: KD4UBM    DoD:727 +=-
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer)
Subject: Re: 2-strokes (was:Re: REQUEST: short fella has a question or two...
Organization: QUAD Systems
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:06:57 GMT

>  The Canadian spec. RZ350 from about 85 on (full fairing) is pretty
>damn current considering there were no significant design changes made.
>It produces a claimed 55 HP through different ignition, barrels, and
>crank than US version. I beleive it weighs in at 380 lbs wet. Shows what
>a lack of weight can do for a bike. Had Yamaha put a truly sophisticated
>suspension on it (TZR250,NS400) they'd still be making them today.
>

But they do still make it. It's called the RD350R, has an updated, twin
headlight, full fairing and is made in Brazil under license from Yahama.
Imported into Britain it's about 3400 pounds
-- 

Roland Besserer
QUAD Systems
roland@quadsys.com
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:50:25 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1434@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:

>	Anybody out there ever know anyone to die in an auto accident?

A few of my friends have died in car crashes. And I've seen a few
strangers die in crashes I've stopped to attend, the last two a couple
of months ago in a high speed head-on crash due to overtaking on a
blind bend (i.e., not having finished overtaking by the time the bend
came up, deciding to carry on rather than pull back). Screech wallop
scrape tinkle bleed moan die. Nasty.

>Did you ever consider abondoning the automobile as a transportation
>source?

I did and I have. I only ride motorcycles and bicycles. Cars are too
dangerous. They tend to kill other people, whereas motorcycles tend to
kill only their riders. The morality of motorcycling is impeccable: if
you make a mistake it is most likely you who will suffer for it. And
not having the resources to avoid the idiot who suddenly turns into
your path without warning counts as a possibly fatal mistake.


-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Helmet liners (Winter/Cold)
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 03:58:11 GMT

For those of you who e-mailed me I finally made it home
long enough to unpack my ruck and write this down. This 
is off the label of my "issue" winter helmet liner that is
made to go under the new kevlar helmet.

Cap, Cold Weather, Insulating
Helmet Liner
DLA100-85-6-0319
8415-04-094-7848
Atlas Headware inc.

This is the Woodland camo pattern which tells me it
probably comes in the "winter" pattern of white/black
but I dont have the numbers for it. It works pretty well
and uses a velcro (big) strip across the mouth and chin.

-- 
##########################################################
There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES 
                 and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH	#2/10/10/92
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.