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From: carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: RE-FWWM - spoilers And Other FWWM Opinions SPOILERS
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:32:50 PST

Kay Carter -- CARTERK@cgsvax.claremont.edu

Hello again!!

I've already posted what I thought of the movie, but I wanted to reply
to a few things other people had said.

SPOILERS AHOY

**********************************************************************


The reason the agent knew which trailer to look at was because of the vision
during the scene in Theresa's trailer.  When the Old Crippled Woman came in,
the park owner (and the agent?)  had a vision of the telephone pole with the 
numbers on it (something like 12048 and a large number 6).  To have that view
of the pole, one would have to be looking from the trailer under which the 
ring was found.  Perhaps Cooper, being very sensitive to visions, also saw the 
numbers on the pole.

I didn't think that the angel at the end was Annie.  I was certainly under the
impression that Laura was happy, and went on to the white Lodge, but I just 
thought that the Annie scene really only told you that, in the future, she was
dead (i.e. in the last episode).

As for the guy who said he hated it because FWWM wasn't as funny as the series,
well, I know others who agree.  I know people who watched Twin Peaks for laughs
and because it was "cool".  However, I think you all missed the boat.  Twin 
Peaks is like a huge puzzle, and the great part is, no one knows what the
picture is until you're done.  Even better, the picture is different for
everyone, depending on how you put it together!!

The reviewer missed the point, it's not an acid trip, it's an excercise in 
mental gymnastics.  Perhaps not for the uninitiated.

Well, that's just my opinion.  Any response welcome.

			Kay Carter-- CARTERK@cgsvax.claremont.edu

 

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From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Re: Series videos
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:39:15 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

>In article <1992Aug19.171659.9286@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>
>}} A local video store (in Ottawa Canada) had a TP boxed set with ONE
>}} episode per tape ! I opened up one and sure enough the tape length
>}} is 48 minutes ! Who was the idiot who dreamed this up ??!!  Has
>}} anyone seen this in the US since I'm sure its made in the US.

That's the only way I've seen the tapes (1 episode per cassette).  It's
such a stupid waste of materials.  At the local video store here
in Toronto, they have the self-contained 2 hour Twin Peaks movie that
was shown in certain parts of Europe(?) where the rest of the series
wasn't shown.

Most of it is like the very first pilot episode except it makes a 
major detour during the last 15 minutes.  The murder is completely
resolved (in a much much stupider way) and parts of the 3rd episode
dream sequence are used in way different context.

This 113 minute movie has nothing to do with the rest of the TP canon
and should only be watched to get a bit more Lynch in your Life.

A friend rented it so she could get started on the rest of the series
(I have every episode except the pilot) before the movie.  I had
to explain to her what doesn't belong (ie.....Bob is not a real
person hiding out in the hospital basement).

ferenc
From: zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM this and that. (movie SPOILERS)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 23:27:37 CDT
Organization: Metatron Press / Human Systems Performance Group, Austin, TX

dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) writes:

> In article <6011@transfer.stratus.com>, kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koell
> > 
> >I like that the movie showed a lot of what went on with Laura even
> >though most of it was implied in the series.  After watch two seasons
> >of a series focused on Laura Palmer without ever seeing very much of
> >Laura, I thought it was good to balence it out.
> 
>     I don't agree.  the Lynch imagery was just fine in this part of the
>     movie, but there was not enough plot advancement for me.  Too little
>     new was presented.  And for the audience of those who have never seen
>     any of the TV series, the movie was seriously flawed in that too many
>     characters were introduced peripherally with little or no development
>     and little or no meaning to the plot.  (eg. Shelly, Leo, whats his name
>     Smith who kept the diary)  Further, the characters introduced at the
>     beginning of the movie (who might have made for an excellent story)
>     were cut short so we could see all the drama about Laura.

As I've posted earlier (but the more I thinking about it, the clearer it
seems), this should not be seen (marketing aside) as a standalone feature,
but as another installment in TP, much as the series and the books were.
While it doesn't make sense at all on its own, neither would, say, Act 3
Scene 5 from a random Shakespeare play.

This just occured to me -- the movie is a Passion Play, much like that of
Obergammerau (sp?), or "Jesus Christ Superstar" or "The Last Temptation of
Christ". Each of those pieces assumes that the audience already had a pretty
good idea of the basic story, and concentrated on an unusual angle or set of
details. (I saw TLToC with a group of people who actually >didn't< know the
Jesus story -- I had to give them a running commentary during the movie.)
We, the target audience, already knew the story of the death of Laura Palmer.
What the movie added was the textures and details to fill in our view.
Plot advancement, in the Laura Palmer section, was beside the point.

It's fitting that the movie was released now, >after< the end of the WKLP
thread and after the diaries. I'm going to watch the first few episodes
again in light of what the movie contained, but a lot of the effect of the
movie came from our having moved around the edges of the story, finally
coming to the actual event.

I think that, especially given the popularity of the movie and series
overseas, this is just the first of an ongoing series, like the Star Trek
series. Unlike the Star Trek movies, however, I'd expect this series to 
jump around in time. I think we'll see more of the FBI agents, and see
more of what happened after the end of the series.

--
"Go to an extreme and then retreat to a more useful position"  --  Brian Eno
Joe Zitt 	       ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe  	       (512)450-1916
From: kandall@nsg.sgi.com (Michael Kandall)
Subject: Re: Just saw FWWM (possible *SPOILERS*)
Organization: Nihon Silicon Graphics, Japan
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:53:02 GMT

>>>>> On 23 Aug 92 16:19:17 GMT, wiljo@kiel.uucp (Wiljo Heinen) said:

Wiljo> Now we cometh to the movie. (if you hate spoilers, now is the chance of
Wiljo> pressing "n".

Wiljo> 

Wiljo> The last sven days of LP: Great ! I love it.

You sounded pretty down on it so far.  I agreed with all your negative
criticisms and more.

Wiljo> These roughle 1.5 hrs give completely new angles to Laura Palmer.

I felt it was more interesting when it was left up to the imagination
what Laura was like.  I felt by showing it, and explaining everything
so clearly, that what was so intriguing about the series - the unknown
aspects of Laura, the secrets of the relationships - suddenly became
very uninteresting.  FWWM really detracted more than it added.

I have lot's of questions too, but I will wait for the experts to hack
it to bits, shards, shreds and meat by-products next week.  I suspect
it won't be pretty, either ...


Mike
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: rpiercey@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Globe and Mail pans FWWM
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:53:05 GMT

FWWM was panned in today's _Globe and Mail_ by film critic Jay Scott.
In a review consisting only of four very short paragraphs, Scott said
that FWWM is crammed with "nudity, sadism, torture and misogyny of every
sort, imaginable and not."

He went on: "_Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ is a two-hour plus
surrealistic bummer--it makes the audience feel as if it is coming
down from a virulent drug...One of the many ripoffs related to
this disgusting, misanthropic movie is that the audience crashes
without first having flown--it gets the DTs without ever having
had a drink."

Scott finished by giving the film a rating of zero. Notably absent
from his review was any discussion of the acting, dialogue, or plot
of FWWM, or indeed any thoughtful consideration of Lynch's style. 
He simply called it "disgusting" and "misanthropic" and, refusing
to elaborate, left it at that.

I suspect this won't be the last such review of FWWM. Comments?

Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Kyle and Lynch at breakfast
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:47:07 GMT

There was a hilarious interview with Kyle M. and David L. on *Good
Morning America* this morning. The interview was in a restaurant that
the newsperson said is one of Lynch's favorites. On the table were,
natrually, coffee and cherry pie.

The gal doing the interview was clearly captivated by Lynch, or at least
his reputation for eccentricity. First she remarked about the omnipresence
of coffee and pie in his works.  Lynch said very gravely, "In the northwest,
where I grew up, coffee was very important. Pie was very important. My aunt
would take me to the (soda shop? - something like that) and we would have
pie. She would have coffee. It was just what people did."

The interviewer gushed about Lynch's strange reputation. She said someone
told her he's so weird he doesn't even have a refrigerator in his house.
He doesn't even have a kitchen.

Lynch: I have a refrigerator.
Kyle: I can vouch for that, he has a refrigerator.
Lynch: I have a kitchen. But I don't cook. It's the odor. And the film on
the wall.

Kyle cracked up at that point, so I assume LYnche was putting on the
interviewer. Undefeated, she then remarked on the closeness of their
relationship. She said, It's that kind of relationship where one person
starts a sentence and the other person finishes it.

Lynch: Yes, that's what we..... (turned to Kyle. Waited)
Kyle : (finally picked up) .... do.

It was extremely droll.
From: ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: ^TP^ Timeline Has With Deleted Scenes from Script
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:12:50 GMT


For those of you interested as to what was in the shooting script for
Fire Walk With Me and didn't make it into what you saw, the timeline
available now includes the movie from the shooting script.  Many scenes
were deleted and some were rearranged.  I have no idea if they were shot
or not.

It is available via anonymous ftp at audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au
(130.220.16.88) in pub/twin-peaks/timeline.Z

A final version corresponding with the released movie will be posted in 
a few weeks or so.

ed


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From: jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jeremy Matthew Toeman)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Primate face near end?
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:04:21 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

YES! You're right, I just remembered it too.. And it was flashed earlier
in the movie too.  But I cannot remember when.. Gonna go see it again this
weekend mebbe...

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412-268-4199     (anytime)



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Subject: ticket sales & limited release
From: ashum@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:48:51 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

If the movie does well on a per screen basis, they'll probably strike more
prints and distribute it to more theaters.  It isn't uncommon to open a movie
that might bomb in limited theaters, prints are 35mm prints are VERY expensive,
especially for relatively low budget features.  They have to make sure that
ticket sales are going to recoup print and distribution costs.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: I saw FWWM **SPOILERS !!** 
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:58:29 PST

postpostpost

-----
Kay Carter -- carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
          "Sometimes my arms bend back."

Well, just got back from the matinee showing, and since only one other person
has posted about Fire Walk With Me yet, I thought I'd put in my two cents
worth..

MASSIVE SPOILERS TO FOLLOW, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BREAK THE SCREEN ON THIS
SYSTEM!!!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I, for one, really enjoyed the film, however, I went into it with the
expectation that Lynch would give very little information about what happened
in the last episode.  I was proven correct.  There was very little reference to
the final story line, although there was enough to be a teaser for an upcoming
movie (?).

I disagree with what Lynch said on the Tonight Show.  I think if you did not
watch the show, PARTICULARLY the second season, you won't get half of it.  All
of the things that I found interesting would be lost if you didn't have proper
preparation.  The (loud and obnoxious) girls behind us kept saying "Does this
movie come with a  directory?" and "What's with her?"  through the entire movie.

However, if you have watched all of it, there really isn't much new here.  We
all know the timeline of the night Laura was killed, and a lot of the situation
leading up to it.  I found it interesting to watch first hand what I had only
imagined second hand previously.  There was some interesting symbology (I liked
the creamed corn reference) that tied in, but no real new info, (except perhaps
that Annie is dead, but that's only a maybe--I think so , but who knows).

Things I found fascinating were:
	1.  The Little Man From Another Place's connection with Mike's arm.
        2.  The seeming seductive powers of Laura's clothing  (although my
fiance Doug has an interesting theory about The Evil Sunglasses of Laura
Palmer)
	3.  The David Bowie part, although I was told there was more that was
left on the cutting room floor.
	4.  More info into Harold Smith's character (the Orchid Guy)
	5.  A lot of interesting stuff about Bobby.

Questions I had--Any Ideas?
	1.  In the scene where Laura and Bobby are waiting by the mill, I
thought I saw the ring on the ground.  A feww seconds later she says something
to the effect of "I found something"...WAS that the ring?
	2.  If "The Man Behind the Mask" is Bob behind the mask of the
posess), What exactly is the meaning of the paper mache mask?
	3.  Who is the Shaman from the David Bowie scene?  (I liked him)
	4.  Where was the Giant, especially in the formica table top place?
        5.  Did Laura Palmer get to the White Lodge at the end? (I think so,
the angel may have been from more of the traditional heaven, but I think that
the White Lodge is what you make it.  Anyhow, I was glad it all seemed to work
out for her, well, except for being dead and all.)


			Well, that's all.
			Anxiously awaiting replies and more opinions,

Kay Carter:   carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
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From: stevens@scubed.com (Jeff Stevens)
Subject: Re: A positive FWWN reveiw!
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:32:42 GMT

> Hey, I found a positive review of FWWM in the San Diego Union-Tribune!

There was also a positive review in the Los Angeles Times this
morning.
 
----------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Stevens	stevens@s3mars.scubed.com, stevens@seismo.css.gov
From: blojo@xcf.berkeley.edu (Jon Blow)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Gormonbozia
Date: 1 Sep 1992 01:19:59 GMT
Organization: Free Hardware Foundation
NNTP-Posting-Host: graft.berkeley.edu

> 2.) Do they *need* to cosume the pain and suffering
>     or do they do it for some other reason?

Perhaps they are addicted to it.

  -J.
From: kuvamp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP Fiction Fanzines?
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:48:27 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Does anyone out there know of any Twin Peaks Fanzines, especially for fiction? 
There is a wealth of material left unexplored, to be sure.  If there are none,
would anyone be interested in starting one?  I would gladly do the work, If I
thought there would be submissions, and/or lackeys to push work off on :)


					Well?


						--Gareth


						"I am as blank as a fart"
							-----Jaques, FWWM
From: stevens@scubed.com (Jeff Stevens)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Lodge things
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:14:59 GMT
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Laboratories

Jon writes:

>Sally writes:
>
>> Lodge inhabitants interact with the TP world. Thus we see time flowing
>> backward/forward/circular and thus one time we see a "damned" MIKE,
>> and the next he has already seen "the face of God," yet we see it all
>> jumbled.

>I find this idea to be inconsistent.  IF Mike was telling the truth during
>the series, then any time we see a two-armed Mike, we see him when he is
>"damned," and when we see a one-armed Mike, we see him when he is "redeemed".
>I have yet to see a two-armed Mike.  (Remember that he said he cut his arm
>off as a sign of his own redemption.)

In the lodge, LMFAP is touching Mike's shoulder, so in effect, Mike is
reconnected to his arm (LMFAP).  Could it be that when out of the lodge,
we have a "good" Mike, trying to stop Bob, but when in the lodge, we 
have the old, "bad" Mike again?
 
----------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Stevens	stevens@s3mars.scubed.com, stevens@seismo.css.gov
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Subject: Re: FWWM SPOILERS etc
Summary: Judy & thread
Keywords: Broken?
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:05:53 GMT

>
>> i can't even remember what bowie was talking about in his part. 
>
>"We're not going to talk about Judy.  In fact, we're not going to mention
> her at all."

I couldn't hear what he was saying either but Judy? Hmm.. maybe Judy was
another girl who was murdered by Bob that Phillip was investigating?
>
>(More about this in my next post).
>
>> that was philip gerard driving it, yes.  again, like with bowie's
>> character, i can't remember what he talked about.
>
>I couldn't quite make out what he said.  He talked about the room above
>the convenience store, the formica table, and shouted "The thread will
>be broken!!" at least twice.

 Thread.. I have heard that mentioned a few times now.. in the European
 Pilot episode where the OAM calls Cooper and says he knows about the
 red thread and letters under the nails, Gordon's "mother's sister's girl"
 had a piece of red thread missing from her dress.. is that what the OAM
 was referring to when he shouted it out while driving? Or did he mean
 that sometime the thread (loop of time) will be broken. Maybe if Laura
 never had to take the ring (Like Cooper warned her) it would have put an
 end to the loop?>

 -=*George*=-

 P.S. Sorry for all the posts in a row..
From: moocow@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP:FWWM script anyone?
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:59:48 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I've spent the past 24 hours since seeing the movie pondering the imponderable
and i was wondering if any of the good people out there would help me by
sending or reposting the original shooting script. I remember something about
it being posted here several weeks/months ago and i didnt read it then so
as to save whatever surprises the film would hold.
thanks and thanks,
Xtian
From: jblum@oberon.umd.edu (Jon Blum)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Teresa's arm *SPOILERS*
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:06:27 GMT

Okay, spoiler-zapper time:
























All right.  Just one minor question from FWWM (only one because it's the
only coherent question I can come up with right now).

What happened to Teresa's arm?  Irene at Hap's diner said that it had
gone completely numb for a while before her death.  Coincidence?
Or could it be connected to the shaking hands in #2018?  Or BOB's
arm reaching out into Glastonberry Grove later that same episode?

Or do I need a life?
From: C491153@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM (SPOILERS), Annie, diner
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:51:58 GMT

spoilers ahead...


















Sture Jonsson <sture@lulea.trab.se> writes:
>-- The 'person' lying in bed with Laura saying "I'm Annie, I've been with Dale
>and Laura...." etc. wasn't Annie, it was Ronette. She looked like the actress
>who plays Ronette (she didn't look like Heather Graham). She had the same
>dress that Ronette had at the 'disco'. Am I right or .... ?

No, that was the real Annie, and she had the same (or very similar)
dress that she wore at the Miss Twin Peaks Festival when Windom kidnapped
her.

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)   !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@mizzou1.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@mizzou1.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic
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From: wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu)
Subject: Re: FWWM - minor quibbles
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:44:12 GMT

In <p9efkuk@fido.asd.sgi.com> sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:

>In <Btv7JC.9Dz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:


>>   It seemed as if Cooper kept going back and forth between the area
>>the camera was surveying and the TV monitor for no good reason right
>>before Bowie showed up.  Did I miss something?

>i think he sensed time slowing down, as someone else mentioned.  so much
>that he went to the display room first, saw nothing.  went to the
>display room a second time, saw his arm in the door.  and then went
>to the display room a third time, and saw himself stuck there in
>time as jeffries walked by, unhindered by time.  just a guess?

He already had a dream about this.  That's why he was so concerned when
he went up to Lynches character and said "It's 10:02 already".  He
was expecting this to happen.

I think..

Phil
From: luksa@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Frank Luksa)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: half-baked monkey theory
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:53:21 GMT
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences, Evanston, IL


Could the monkey we see at the beginning and end of FWWM symbolize
addiction?  You know, "he's got a monkey on his back"???

Or is this WAY to trite for Lynch?

Just askin.

Frank
--
Frank Luksa
Institute for the Learning Sciences
Northwestern University
luksa@ils.nwu.edu (129.105.49.1)
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Lynch's Address
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:36:37 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Does anyone out there at what address I can reach David Lynch? I have done a 
sketch of him I would like him to have as a "Thank you" for TP, but I don't
know where to send it. Any information would be appreciated.

Mike
From: zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM (SPOILERS), Annie, diner
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 22:57:31 CDT
Organization: Metatron Press / Human Systems Performance Group, Austin, TX

ian@gomez.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (H. Ian Novack) writes:

> Well, Heather Graham's name was in the opening credits, and, call me crazy, I
> thought it looked like her, at least the her in the scene in the TV finale
> where it was Caroline in Annie's body in the Lodge.  I belive that Annie's
> voice was in "Lodgespeak".

Annie's voice was not reversed. Rather, it seemed >overly< clear, as if badly
dubbed in. Might it have been in Lodgspeak at first, then redubbed?


--
"Go to an extreme and then retreat to a more useful position"  --  Brian Eno
Joe Zitt 	       ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe  	       (512)450-1916