From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Newsgroups: alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Blaming the Victim
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:47:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Dec21.154359.6080@cs.cornell.edu> jean@cs.cornell.edu (Jean M. Petrosino) writes:
>JP> This is to Mr. J. Dunphy:
>		Just as the women you seem to keep involving yourself with,
> you are walking time-bomb looking for a place to happen.
>
>RP>If this had happened to a woman, what you are doing would be called -blaming
>   the victim-. And further, you are saying that things like this will happen
>   in the future, and they will also be his fault.  
>
>This is a complete misinterpretation of my statement.  

Since the first sentence is a statement of my own, it is not an interpretation,
much less a "misintrepretation". The second statement is just a paraphrase of

>		Just as the women you seem to keep involving yourself with,
> you are walking time-bomb looking for a place to happen.

I have trouble understanding your claim of "complete misinterpretation". 
It seems more likely that you are the one who is guilty of misrepresenting 
my post. This is just another manifistation of the blame game, why even 
attempt to communicate when it is so much easier to blame someone? And
since women are victimized (by definition) you will probably be supported
for doing this. 

>                                                       Pardon me for being so
>thoroughly disturbed at this man's complete and utter hatred of women. 

I read his posts as well, and I think you missed a lot. I read -anger-, not
hatred. If you think that there is hatred, indeed, "complete and utter hatred",
how about posting the text that gave you this impression.

The only thing I saw which might give one that impression is the disclaimer...

|Politically incorrect and misogynistic without apology !

Notice that it does not say 'misogynistic without cause', and his posts
were nothing more that summaries of cause. 

>                                                                     It made
>me VERY uncomfortable since he made it quite clear that ALL WOMEN should pay
>for these few women's terrible deeds. 

This is not true. He said that it was not worth it to have relationships
with women, not that all women should pay. 

>You also haven't considered the fact that if I was in Mr. Dunphy's position, 
>and had had so many terrible relationships with the opposite sex, I would begin
>to question my own judgement.  

You have not considered the fact that this has nothing to do with what I 
was talking about, the fact that you are blaming-the-victim.

>                                Since he seems to continue to get into these 
>situations, he should question the type of woman he is attracted to so 'this 
>won't happen in the future' and he can be assured that if it does, that it 
>will not be his fault.  

Here, you said it again, "he can be assured that if it does, that it will 
not be his fault". This was my original point, when a women is in a similar
       ---------
situation, it is still the mans fault. She is just an innocent victim.

>                       Women change their behavior in this way all the time.
>If this is blaming the victim, then I am apparently ready to apply this not 
>only to men, but to women and to myself. He has been a victim, and for that 
>I am sorry.

My observation is that women in general are more into blaming the men today. 
My point is that we treat otherwise identical situations completely different
based upon no more than the sexes of the one who claims victimization. 

As for "Women change their behavior in this way all the time", I have not
seen it. In fact, there were some posts recently about women who repeatedly
have relationships with bausive men.
 
>When someone publicly expresses hatred for all people of your kind, Mr. Payner,
> I hope you can respond in a less callous manner.
 
Once again...

|Politically incorrect and misogynistic without apology !

The above is the only clear statement of misogyny, and it does not read
`misogynistic without -cause-`. I read anger in his post, not hatred. 
Perhaps you should re-read. Just in case the post has expired at your
site, I have appended it below.


Rich

payner@netcom.com



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