HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: alex@laos (Alex D. Nghiem)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.programmer
Subject: does mouseX now have rootless windows?
Keywords: rootless, mouseX, X-Windows
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:01:42 GMT
Reply-To: alex@pencom.com
Organization: Pencom Software

Hello there:

Can anyone tell me where I can find the latest copy of mouseX, the one which  
offers rootless windows?

Best regards,


Alex Duong Nghiem          Phone: (512) 343-1111
Pencom Software            Fax:   (512) 343-9650    
9050 Capital of TX Hwy N.  Mail:  alex@pencom.com
Suite 300                  
Austin, TX 78759
USA
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: scan@beach.csulb.edu (So. Cal. NeXT Users Group)
Subject: SCaN meeting on Thursday
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:11:42 GMT

Southern California NeXTstep Users' Group (SCaN) Meeting

Thursday 16 April 1992 6:30 p.m.
California State University, Long Beach
Engineering and Computer Science Building
ECS-210

The planned events are as follows:

1.  Demonstration of Parabase by an IP Design representative
     Parabase is relational, client-server database software.

2.  Demonstration of OnDuty, a multiuser office productivity tool.

3.  Auction of OnDuty

4.  Demonstration of MetroTools, a multi-function program to speed
      day-to-day work in NeXTstep

5.  Auction of MetroTools

6.  Auction of BANG diskette library (games, utilities, documentation,
      programming, system administration - set of 5 floppy disks)

7.  Distribution of March 1992 issue of SCaNeWS


There will be a social at 6:30 and meeting at 7:30.

Directions & Parking:
     Take the San Diego (405) freeway to Long Beach and get
        off at Palo Verde.
     Go toward the beach on Palo Verde past two lights.
     Free parking is available on Palo Verde, else park for
        $1.50 in Lot C.

Dues:  $2.00 (everybody is welcome)


For further information, contact:

Mike Mahoney, SCaN President and CSULB Professor
   (310) 985-1550,  e-mail:  mahoney@csulb.edu

Bob Desharnais, SCaN Vice-President and CSULA Professor
   (213) 343-2056,  e-mail:  bob@biol1next.calstatela.edu


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From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:24:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sadbkINNsn9
Reply-To: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: moica.berkeley.edu

In article <CNH5730.92Apr12170622@calvin.tamu.edu>
cnh5730@calvin.tamu.edu (Charles N. Herrick) writes:

> What happened to the *.app approach? You hide your files in the
> directory which appears as *.app in your file viewer.
> 
> Isn't this sufficient?


We are talking about where to store files for *each user*.
Obviously, storing crud for 50 users who might share a particular app
into the *.app is a bad idea.
*.app is there to hold files that do not change over time and those
shared by all users.

--
Izumi Ohzawa             [ $BBg_78^=;(B ]
USMail: University of California, 360 Minor Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720
Telephone: (510) 642-6440     Fax:  (510) 642-3323
Internet: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (NeXT Mail OK)
From: dpp@athena.com (David Pollak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: ARDI, Apple system software, etc.
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:07:56 GMT

Hi All,

I have not done any research into this, so the following comments are  
off the top of my head.

My guess is that IBM was forced to unbundle because of anti-trust  
claims (i.e. they owned a very large chunk of the computer market.)   
This is not the case with Apple... they only own about 20% of the PC  
market and it is fairly clear that they do not control either the PC  
market or the windowing software market.  Also, most major packages  
that run on the Mac also run under Windows on the PC (PageMaker,  
Illustrator, Excel, MS-Word, FoxBase, Word Perfect, etc.)  So a  
person who cannot run the Mac OS can still buy lots of other machines  
and be very productive on those other machines.  I don't think that  
Apple could be forced to unbundle their software.  If they won their  
case again Microsoft (the Windows case), the argument would change.

So, you figure that you'll try it and see anyway (i.e. you've bought  
a Mac and you use Mac software (i.e. ROMs or disks) on another  
machine, claiming that you have a license to the software and Apple  
cannot restrict your reasonable use of it.)  This seems to me to be a  
stronger argument.  Apple is not losing any money because you are  
using their software on another machine.  Not only did they make the  
money for the software, they also made money from the hardware sale.   
I have not read the Apple licensing agreement, so I don't know  
exactly what is prohibited.  I wouldn't want to be the test case to  
find out if a court would uphold this clause in a licensing  
agreement.  Of course, if this is upheld, the next step is to  
restrict other kinds of use... i.e. you cannot use this software for  
illegal purposes (e.g. Apple sues stock traders after they are caught  
doing inside trading using Macs to store their information)...

Being a typical lawyer, I've given a long-winded non-answer to a  
simple question.  The short answers are:  Apple will not be forced to  
un-bundle their software because there are no anti-trust issues.   
Apple's license may or may not be enforceable.  I wouldn't want to be  
the person to find out the hard way.

David 


Begin forwarded message:

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 03:49:52 +0200
From: Edmund Ronald <eronald@cnam.cnam.fr>
To: comp-sys-next-misc@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: ARDI, Apple system software, etc.
Cc: dpp@athena.com

Many years ago, IBM was forced to "unbundle" its offerings,
and sell system software independently of the hardware.
This is what enabled Amdahl to compete with its IBM compatible
-call on Friday, be running on Monday- mainframe replacements.

This means that the "license agreement" which says you can only 

run Apple system software on Apple hardware is probably not worth
the paper its written on :)

Let's ask a lawyer for comment .

Edmund
From: basiji@milton.u.washington.edu (David Basiji)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Where is it: adim screen saver?
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:17:08 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

I saw the recommendation of adim as a good pub domain screensaver for
the NeXT, the problem is I can't find it!  Could someone please post
a host/path to this program?  I've looked on both cs.orst.edu and sonata.

Dave
basiji@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nimno!john@wupost.wustl.edu (John Bartley)
Subject: Improv bug or "feature"?
Reply-To: nimno!john@wupost.wustl.edu (John Bartley)
Organization: John Bartley
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:34:49 GMT

Improv seems to handle certain string imports in a manner that causes  
problems (illustration follows.) Has anyone figured out a water-tight  
way around this. As a 1-2-3 and Symphony owner, I consider this pretty  
much a bug in Improv, although I'm sure that the folks at Lotus  
consider it a "feature."

Here's the problem: lets say that I have a database of names and  
addresses. Some of the zip codes begin with 0. In the database, this  
field is treated as a string rather than a number. However, when this  
string is imported into Improv, it _cleverly_ assumes that it knows  
more about the data than I do and unilaterally decides that, quoted or  
not, it is REALLY a number. Improv then places it in the model with the  
leading zero/s supressed. For example, here are various attempts at  
persuading Improv to accept (and maintain) the string 00123:

Import File representation		Improv representation
00123					123
"00123					123
'00123					'00123
"'00123					'00123
"00123"					123
'"00123					'"00123

The next-to-last example is the real killer. This works differently  
than any product I've ever used - normally characters enclosed in  
quotes means "treat this as a string."

It gets worse. I can manually type the characters " 0 0 1 2 3 into an  
Improv cell and get it to treat it temporarily as a string. When I save  
this as an .imx file to see how it is formatted - guess what? Lotus  
even formats it as "00123"!!! But if that .imx file is reopened, it  
reverts to the number 123, per example 5 above.

A few comments: please don't respond saying 'I have no trouble typing  
in "00123 and having it format as 00123. As I pointed out above, I know  
I can do it manually - that isn't the point. Part of the problem is the  
inconsistency between what you can do manually versus the way imported  
text is treated. 

I'm trying to solve the problem of being able to accurately import data  
from other applications and use the imported field in such a way that  
the difference between a number and a string is very important.

Of course, if anyone from Lotus would care to comment on why this  
feature exists and what it does for me, that would be a real bonus. :-)

Any ideas?

John Bartley
john@wpa.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:42:05 GMT

In article <bf7H1pbm6@cs.psu.edu> melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger)  
writes:

> OS/2 2.0, for example, sold 50,000 copies in the first 8
> days after its introduction, and the market for OS/2 2.0
> specific applications will be 10 times larger than the
> NeXT market within 60 days.  NeXT now has to explain to the
> world why NeXTstep is better than OS/2, which has VM,
> memory protection, multiprocessing, threads,
> 512MB/process, drag and drop capabilities, IPC, ...,
> which can be purchased for $200, and which will run 25,000
> PC programs.  The NeXT Appkit is great but at least 100
> developers will offer CASE, OOP languages, IBs, and
> other tools for Windows and OS/2.  The applications that
> people develop under OS/2 will run on $1000 computers or
> $10K computers that are faster than the NeXT.  I've
> noticed that the words "mission critical" and OS/2 are
> often used together. 

Not only that, but NeXTstep 486 will only run on *select*
(ie the most expensive) 486 machines.

How is NeXT supposed to explain that NeXTstep can only
display mono with that Super VGA card in your 486 that
OS/2 and Windows can use for cheerful color?

> In short, I think appealing to the basic human instinct of
> greed will get NeXT a lot farther.  Very few people will
> spend $5K on a computer, and NeXT doesn't even sell a
> standalone computer $5K.  Those that will don't want to
> spend money on high priced RAM to expand their machines
> and ISO keyboards -- my fingers already hurt like hell
> without dealing with the new keyboards.  "Just stick 16MB
> SIMMs in your machine if you want more than 16MB of
> memory."  I've seen 16MB Cubes with 8MB NDs swap if you
> looked at them the wrong way.  Try to do some real work and
> you might as well take a coffee break. 

Wouldn't it be great if NeXT either added enough RAM/HD to
the 5K/3.5K (list/edu) price, or lowered the price
altogether? Instead of purchasing a $5K NeXTstation,
then adding $450 of RAM (removing 4 MB), then adding a $1K
external HD, wouldn't it be great if 16 MB RAM and 400 MB of
disk was included!? 

> Sorry for that little bit of gloom and doom, but sometimes
> you've got to wonder if NeXT isn't playing it day to day. 
> Maybe I'm overreacting.  Where are those sales figures
> for the Q1? 

You'll be labeled as a heretic in this group for certain! ;-)

> Btw, I hope Glenn Reid doesn't find these marketing comments and
> flames by another college student too boring.

If you're obliquely referring to me, I'm not a student.  I
get *paid* to flame Glenn. ;-)

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)
From: wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: PC magazine misinformation
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:23:50 GMT
Organization: BSO/LT, Baarn, The Netherlands


> 5) Seriously:  Does any other OS (NeXTstep, Taligent, Solaris, Open Desktop)
>         stand a chance in a marketplace with this type of ignorance?

When NeXT started this was at the heart of their ideas. Lots of DOS user's
will type 'R' 'E' 'T' 'U' 'R' 'N' when told to type <Return>. The lack of
knowledge about computers and their basics is very widespread and hard to
believe by people who are capable of posting to the net. For 99% of the users
it is totally irrelevant what the OS is. They will most of the time not be
able to grasp even a small portion of what can be done.

For us, netters, OS, CPU's etc are the things we like to talk about. All these
OS's and environments only stand a chance when tey are *not* subject of
discussion with any possible customer.

Of course, since the Workstation market is still far away from being
challenging the PC market, we will see largely scientific and engineering work
for Workstations and DOS everywhere else. Bill gates might in fact be the only
one who has a *chance* of getting people to use a real OS. They will by from
him whatever he delivers (see Windows 3.0).
-- 
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(+31) 2154 84415/(+31) 35 833539  || Support the League for Programming Freedom!
	"If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there."
	Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: yu@cs.utexas.edu (Yeong-Ho Yu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Needed: Beta-Tester for Korean font
Date: 9 Apr 1992 13:30:54 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: ai.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: tester, korean, font

****** FOR ONLY THOSE WHO CAN WRITE KOREAN*****

 Yu's Consulting and DTP is currently developing a Korean font for
NeXT.  This font will allow you to use Korean in NeXT.  This is not a 
substitute for Korean NeXTstep which seems to be under development by
Cannon-NeXT Korea. Rather it allows you to use Korean characters in NeXT
applications made for English.  Unlike HangulTalk for Mac, this font
allows you in-line input.

 So far, the font has been tested with WriteNow(bundled version), Draw
(demo version), Edit, Diagram!, and Improv with good results.

 We are interested in a couple of individuals who can test the font 
in other applications such as WriteNow(unbundled version), Draw
(unbundled version), FrameMaker, and other high-end DTP software.
If you are interested, please send your name and email address with
the names of applications with which you want to try this font.

 Please send your reply to yu@cs.utexas.edu

Yeong
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: SEF did it again (RTF) also Netrek update! (Not really) (not RTF)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 04:13:30 GMT


In article <1992Apr11.033606.20581@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
mcn@b62103.student.cwru.edu writes:

>If you 'have the right' to bounce everyone else's mail, I
>have the right to bounce yours, even if does create an
>infinite mail loop

Wrong.  Not right.  Incorrect.  Bad form.  No way.  Not how
it works.  Irresponsible reaction is not justified by
irresponsible action.

-- 
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Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
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Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: Mime
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.225527.5132@pellns.alleg.edu> sunthej@alleg.edu (Jake) writes:
>	However, I think your "object lesson" is a failed one.  If people  
>were posting to the SUN, AT&T, [insert other computer brand here]  
>newsgroup, yes, the posting of an RTF post would be as assinine as yours  
>was.  The point, as I see it, is that this group is intended for NeXT  
>specific information, and the use of a NeXT specific formating language  
>seems far more appropriate then yours.

Why? Too many people, yourself included, are assuming that only NeXT
users read the NeXT news groups. Do you read the Mac newsgroups for
instance? Should they post a Mac specific format? No!
-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)
Canon Information Systems Research Australia
From: alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: What is /bin/jsh ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:54:22 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

NeXT distributes /bin/jsh but no man page that I can see.
what is it? (obviously a shell but any redeeming qualities?)

any reason I shouldnt delete it to save space?

flame on
P.S. why dont they ship a superior alternate shell like tcsh :)
     or at least a man page.  I just cant fathom why they would
     distribute it this way. if its good, add a man page.
     if not, then ship something else in that space
flame off
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From: cafe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.dib)
Subject: Re: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:37:46 GMT

In article <3526@rosie.NeXT.COM>, Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer) writes:
> In article <1992Apr6.192248.15847@glv.uucp> jcelam@oops (James Clifton (Cliff)  
> Elam) writes:
> > 1> NeXT should sell the runtime stuff for $250 or less.
> > 2> Developers should be able to distribute the run-time (a la' windows 
> >    in the old days) for close to nothing.
> > 3> The developer version cost is irrelevant - people were developing for
> >    windows when the SDK cost 2K+.
> > 
> Um... Gee, I don't think $250 would cover the royalties that NeXT pays for  
> using such things as:  Unix, NFS, Postscript, richtext, and others (only four
> I could think of at the moment, but I'm pretty sure we pay royalties for other
> things as well)
> 
> In other words, I don't think $250 would cover OUR costs.  We'd be selling it 
> at a loss.  Not a good thing to do.
some stuff deleted
> --
>                              E-Mail (NeXTmail accepted): Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com
>                     "Character is what you are in the dark." -Buckaroo Banzai
> "A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men." -Willy Wonka

Some companies are willing to absorb an initial loss in order to be able to 
capture the market. NeXT is way behing Microsoft in that sense.  Once NeXT 
has a good share of the market,  they can raise their prices.  

$500.00 for a NS development software will be a reasonable price to me. 
$250.00 for a NS non-development software.

Richard Dib
AT&T BL
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Slip server(s) ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:17:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: msen.1992Apr16.021752.14084
Organization: MSEN, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI

In article <si1piINNp8u@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> ovrskeek@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (I am the OVER-skeek!) writes:
>
>	Is anyone using a commercial SLIP/PPP service? If so, which company
>are you buying your service from? Anyone have any good advice on getting
>a SLIP link to the internet? Thanks for any help!

We're selling commercial SLIP/PPP service, so I guess I'll pipe up.
If you're anywhere in the +1 313 area code the line charges are 
reasonable for a dedicated link; otherwise we have a dial-on-demand
service where you pay by the hour.  I guess that CERFnet has a similar
scheme; they have a +1 800 number but make up for it on the per hour
rates, our per hour rate is less but you pay tolls.  Whatever.

You want to get a copy of 
	nnsc.nsf.net:/nsfnet/referral-list
which lists phone numbers and contacts for a bunch of nets.
(No FTP sites tho, which is kind of a shame, and no prices).
Call or write anyone who looks reasonable.  Most nets don't have
a real high priority to deal with low bandwidth dialup customers,
preferring to go after more lucrative high rent links; you may be
frustrated by the results unless you're a local call from Cambridge
or San Francisco.  (and maybe "or Ann Arbor or Columbus", but I
have more hope for Manhattan NY than I do for Manhattan KS...)

The good advice is if you're paying for the link, you probably want to
also invest in good supported dialup IP software, preferably software
that handles connection setup and teardown for you with some amount
of flexibility.  Both Marble and Morning Star sell this stuff; we've
been really happy with Morning Star.

Hope this helps, let me know if you have more questions.
--
Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, MSEN Inc. emv@msen.com
      MSEN Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 741 1120
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher)
Subject: Re: Ac_Chen Re: NeXT game ADDICTION ALERT!
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:34:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.204956.7035@relief.relief.com> jjfeiler@relief.relief.com writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.054042.6324@cubetech.com> andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew  
>Loewenstern) writes:
>> In article <gdrVBle00iUy03l25W@andrew.cmu.edu> wb1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (William  
>M.  
>> Bumgarner) writes:
[Comments deleted]
>Does anyone know when this sound plays?

	I haven't heard it yet, But I'm only at level three. But have
	you noticed that Ac_Chen sounds (some of them) play even if the
	game isn't the active App. This is particularly good when it is
	hidden behind the WM and laughing.

	Charlie

>
>> 
>> andrew
>> -- 
>> andrew@cubetech.com
>> Andrew Loewenstern            |  "listen: there's a hell of a good universe
>> Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
>
>
>--
>John Feiler					jjfeiler@relief.relief.com
>3800 14th Ave. SE D-165
>Lacey, WA  98503-2273		   
>Independent NeXT Developer 


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From: roy@adeptsln.cts.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Cool .dir.tiff/.opendir.tiff (small RTF)
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:36:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: adeptsln.1992Apr10.203648.2570
Reply-To: roy@adeptsln.cts.com
Organization: Adept Solutions

In article <1992Apr9.200738.18240@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.192303.1809@newshost.lanl.gov> tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd  
M.  
> Swan) writes:
> 
> Neat TIFFs.  Isn't the preferred method of distributing such things
> though the ftp archives, though...
> 
> --

Not if you have ZERO access to ftp archives..

-- 
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Head RGB Guy     | AppleLink: adept
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From: erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Erno Pena)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Putting NG in Examples (was: Future of NewsGrazer?
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:19:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr9.041928.11677
Reply-To: erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Charles Herrick writes
-Glenn Reid writes
-> Maybe they'll put the source code to NewsGrazer in /NextDeveloper/Demos
-> like they did with BackSpace?  
-
-I asked about this and was told it would not be possible.
-
-
-What ever happened with the NG-on-Steroids that Jayson was supposedly  
-working on?
-

Isn't that one of his new software products from ASW?

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