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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: THANKS! (Was: WANTED: Torani...)
Followup-To: co.general,boulder.general
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Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:39:10 GMT
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In article <1992Dec10.164840.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> Gee, I kind of feel out of place here amongst all the driving stuff,
> but does anyone know of a place in the Denver/Boulder area that 
> sells Torani syrups?  You know, the stuff Cafe Roma puts in coffee
> to flavor it?  I want a bottle of Almond Torani, and don't know where
> to get it.  Anyone with an idea please e-mail me, or post.
> Thanks a bunch!
> 
> Kellie M-S
> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu

Hey, thanks everyone.  I now know that Brewing Market carries Torani
(at $6.25/bottle, in case anyone else wants to know).  I must've gotten
at least a dozen replies!  You're all great.

Kellie
Newsgroups: co.general
From: kamil@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Kamil Maheshwari)
Subject: Computer Items for SALE.
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:39:57 GMT


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As a result of pre-winter cleaning, I have found two brand NEW items
which I would like to sell for the best offer.

	1. Microsoft Mouse (serial)	boxed w/ wrapper   
					I paid $150 for this. Any
					reasonable offer above $100.

	2. Telebit T1000 multi-speed modem
					boxed w/ wrapper
					currently sells for $549

X'mas spacial:	Both items for $500.00!!

Please respond with any offer. Thanks and happy holidays. kamil.
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Newsgroups: co.general
From: era@sedona.scd.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold)
Subject: Re: PRIORITIES
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:03:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov26.164219.10547@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:

>I think you are confusing "caring about education" with "giving incompetent
>public school administrators all the money they ask for." 
>                                                    Frank Crary
>                                                    CU Boulder

Before you prattle on about "incompetent school administrators," please
answer one question: have you worked with any administrators or
teachers in the Boulder Valley Public Schools?  In other words, do you
have pointers for those of us who do work with BVPS personnel and are
not of the opinion that there is a high level of incompetence in BVPS?
--
Ed Arnold * NCAR * POB 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 * 303-497-1253(voice)
303-497-{1298,1137}(fax) * internet: era@ncar.ucar.edu * bitnet: era@ncario
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Newsgroups: co.general
From: bjones@denitqm.uswest.com (Brent Jones)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Torani Syrup (to buy)
Followup-To: co.general,boulder.general
Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:09:18 GMT

In article <Bz3ut8.n13@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com>,
rich@da_vinci.it.uswc.uswest.com (Richard Scott) wrote:
> 
> 	That's most likely `The Brewing Market', next to the James Pub &
> Grill. There's also a store in the Village Shopping Center, next to
> McGuckin, which is a bit larger, and may have more syrups than the
> downtown store.
> 
> 	(Waiting, anxiously, for Starbucks to open their Boulder store.)
> 
> 	=rich
> 
> 
> --
> Rich Scott   Adia Information Technologies, Denver, CO    rich@uswest.com

Yeah, what's the deal with that? I thought they were going to be in the
site of the gas station at Broadway and Arapahoe, and already had plans
to remodel, etc. the space. However, as of last week there was a big
"For Lease" sign in front of the property. Hasn't Starbuck's cemented
the deal? Just wondering.

What *I* want to see is a Coffee People of Portland, Oregon fame. Black 
Tiger Coffee, mmmmmmmmmmm!
--
Brent Jones, Lead Tech. Editor, U S WEST IT, bjones@denitqm.uswest.com
"of beautiful weeds that cannot hide from the farmer and helplessly have 
to watch the shadow of his simian stoop leave mangled flowers in its wake, 
as the monstrous darkness approaches."--V. Nabokov _Signs and Symbols_
Xref: sparky co.general:2169 boulder.general:1361
From: milo@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Michele Lord)
Newsgroups: co.general,boulder.general
Subject: AIADC Press Conference
Keywords: American Indian Anti-Defamation Council
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:26:24 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: co
Organization: Alpha Institute, Aurora, CO.

AMERICAN INDIAN ANTI-DEFAMATION COUNCIL
PRESS CONFERENCE - DECEMBER 15, 1992


DATE:  WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 16, 1992

TIME:  10:00 AM

PLACE: AIADC OFFICE, 215 WEST 5TH AVENUE, (near Bannock St.)
                     DENVER, COLORADO

Russell Means, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the American
Indian Anti-Defamation Council (AIADC) will convene a press 
conference to discuss the federal lawsuit by the Anti-Defamation
League of B'nai B'rith attacking the existence and the work of the
American Indian Ant-Defamation Council.

The lawsuit was filed on December 10, 1992, in the federal district
court in Denver.  The AIADC was served with court papers on Monday,
December 14, 1992.

In response to the filing of the lawsuit, Russell Means has stated that
AIADC has been advised by legal counsel to take the legal offensive in
protecting its work in the defense of American Indian people.  Details
will be provided at the press conference.


CONTACT:  AIADC 892-7011 or 871-0463
From: bwherry@nyx.cs.du.edu (Colorado Cyberpunk)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Personal Message keng@tunfaire.den.mmc.com
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:03:19 GMT
Distribution: co
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.

Ken Garrido:

I have tried 3 different incantations to route mail to "tunfaire".
Unfortunately your hostname (qualified) and your mailing address
and the mailer on your local system are out of WHACK.  

tunfaire's hostname is not qualified and your mailer (sendmail?) isn't
set up to deal with recieving mail to your qualified hostname.
Alas, your mail gateway everest.den.mmc.com is qualifying your hostname
on inbound mail but not outbound interestingly enough.  So, YOU NEED
to FIX THIS if you want to get mail from the rest of the interenet OR
publish a way to send you mail or use a mail address on a system that
will recieve mail from outside of den.mmc.com...

The following doesn't work:

to: kgarrido@tunfaire
to: kgarrido@tunfaire.den.mmc.com
to: kgarrido%tunfaire@everest.den.mmc.com

brad
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Newsgroups: co.general
From: cyrus@convex.com (Tait Cyrus)
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:02:33 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Colorado Springs, CO., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Dec16.221001.17769@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com> murray@rocky.raleigh.ibm.com (Charlie Murray) writes:
[comment I made about increasing gas tax....]

>I would modify this slightly to say I would be more than willing to pay higher
>gas prices if the end result was better public transportation.  I guess what
>I'm really saying is I would be willing to use a better public transportation
>system, paid for by higher gas taxes...

Something I forgot to mention was the excellent signage in Germany.  In my
driving there, I found that if you ever got lost, there was ALWAYS a sign
just down the road pointing to the nearest autobahn (this was in the Frankfurt
area).

Charlie mentions "better public transportation" and that would be a natural
part of increased taxes, but something we need to remember is that the US
is VERY large, especially when compared to Germany whose size is a bit smaller
than New Mexico.  In Germany trains are a BIG thing.  Unfortunately given
the largeness of the US trains don't make as much since while air travel does.
Yes "better public transportation" in cities would be nice.  

So, increased taxes could help with:
	better public transportation (cities)
	better signage everywhere
	better maintained roads

-- 
W. Tait Cyrus                   Software Engineer
Convex Computer Corporation     cyrus@convex.com
2075 Research Parkway Suite B   719-594-4900 ext 41
Colorado Springs, CO 80920
Newsgroups: co.general
From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: PRIORITIES
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:27:07 GMT

ea> Ed Arnold

ea> You can't expect a system which allows private schools to pick off the
    desirable students, and leaves kids with problems in the public schools,
    to succeed.

  Nor can you expect a system that cannot discriminate between students and
  which faces no serious competition for those students to succeed. I can't 
  imagine a business remaining solvent for long when everyone who applies, 
  no matter how unskilled, has to be given a job.

ea> Every family I know with a special-needs kid opposed Amendment 7, because 
    it didn't require the private schools to carry their fair share of "prob-
    lem" students.

  *Every* kid has special needs.

  I cannot understand why kids with emotional/physical/intellectual difficul-
  ties are more needy of additional care and concern than (say) kids who are
  exceptionally intelligent or creative. I wonder how many potential Mozarts
  or Einsteins or Rembrandts have been lost in the school system because their
  needs weren't met.

  Also, yes, kids with problems do tug at the heart strings, but that doesn't
  mean that they have a unique license to impose the costs they incur onto
  others, by means of the state absorbing those costs and passing them to tax-
  payers.

  I apologize for being so rude in my earlier post, as I did not know your
  personal situation. However, my argument isn't changed.

--
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strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
From: kj@solbourne.com (Ken Sullivan)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Wanted Slate Pool Table
Date: 15 Dec 1992 12:18:14 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: klondike.solbourne.com

Wanted to Buy!!!!

Slate Top Pool Table
Full Size, used

Call Nelson @ 651-9058  after 4:30 pm

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Newsgroups: co.general
From: woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Subject: Re: PRIORITIES
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:18:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.151749.116773@evolving.com> judy@evolving.com (Judy Bettinger) writes:
>Frank Crary writes:
>>Denver public schools spend roughly three times
>>as much money (per student) and the average spending of _private_
>>schools. They are therefore, offering an inferior education for a 
>>far greater price. I think this qualifies as incompetency.
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>how come the media don't hammer on DPS for this kind of thing?  

Because the public schools are a sort of "sacred cow". Say anything against
the hallowed public schools, and you are branded as not caring about the
quality of education, or at least not caring whether poor people have
access to a decent education. I don't believe this is true at all; it
is precisely because I *do* care about the quality of education that your 
daughter (who might someday be my doctor) is receiving that I criticize
the public schools. I also do not believe that private schools have to
be more expensive. I supported amendment 7 (vouchers) because I believe
it would have given poorer people access to private schools.

--Greg
Newsgroups: co.general
From: avdavid@teal.csn.org (David Ewing)
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:27:23 GMT

sgcraw@CS.ColoState.EDU (stewart crawford) writes:

>Perhaps the thing that gauls me most on interstates is someone exercising
>their constitutional right to drive at the speed limit in the left lane.

Hear hear!

I just moved here from San Diego and I can't get over how poorly
a large percentage of the population drives.  There seems to be a 
much lower awareness of the basic rules of the road (primarily
people crawling in the fast lane).  Plus, every night when I'm
driving the bend in I-25 between the stadium and 8th Ave., someone
with poor coordination drifts into my lane.  My wife (a Denver native)
claimed I was exaggerating, so during one of our drives home I bet
her that we would witness at least one car doing this (sure enough,
we saw three).  Even on days with good weather, there seem to be a 
tremendous number of accidents.  

Maybe the majority of bad Southern California drivers were weeded
out during the freeway shooting fad of a few years ago.  8-).


-- 
************************************************************************
David A. Ewing          Avalanche Development Company
david@avalanche.com     Boulder, Colorado
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From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)
Newsgroups: co.general
Subject: Utility Trailer For Sale - Col. Springs
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:20:59 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: itchub21.cs.itc.hp.com

I have a utility trailer for sale. It has a metal frame that used to be
a Coleman pop up camper, i.e a nice strong metal frame. The trailer is
flat and has 1x6 wood planks for a base. Trailer is in great condition
and has lights, turnsignals, etc.. all wired in. I used this trailer to
move my motorcycle and riding lawn mower before moving to Colorado. Now
I do not use it.  The trailer is registered in Maryland and has a title.
I have not registered it yet in Colorado.  The trailer even has a spare
tire (tires are 12 inches (I think). 

Asking $250/obo.

Phone: Work: 719-590-2133
       Home: 719-495-2152 

       Or Reply here.



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Newsgroups: co.general,boulder.general
From: hilary@netwise.com (Hilary Lane)
Subject: Investment Clubs
Organization: Netwise Inc.  Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:58:39 GMT

Does anyone know about investment clubs in Boulder County? Are you a member
of one? Where can I find out information about the local clubs? If you are
a member, how successful is your club?

If you have information, please e-mail it to the address below.  Thanks so
much for your help.


-- 
Hilary Lane
Netwise, Inc., Boulder, Colorado
hilary@netwise.com
Newsgroups: co.general
From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Organization: NCAR/UCAR
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:19:06 GMT

In article <Dec15.235828.71079@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, sgcraw@CS.ColoState.EDU (stewart crawford) writes:
> >Actually, a minimum speed limit might be just as important as a maximum:
> >There is alot of evidence that the real problem is traveling at a
> >different speed that the rest of the traffic (which requires frequent
> >passing, etc... and thereby increases the risk of accidents.) If this
> >is the case, driving at 40 on an interstate is as dangerous as driving
> >70...
> >
> 
> I hate to interrupt your musings on the variance in highway speeds
> as "the problem" with some FACTS, but...
> 
> The death-rate per 1,000,000-vehicle miles driven is LOWER on German Autobahns
> than U.S. Interstates.
> 
> This fact quite suprised me after driving there for 1/2 year, because:
> 
>   (1) the speed ranges there are from 90 Km/h (the legal limit for some
>       vehicles and such) to upwards of 250 Km/h -- that's a range of
>       ~55 mph --> 150 mph.  Realistically, most traffic is in the
>       ~50 mph to 110 mph range, however.
> 
>   (2) Autobahns in general are poorer quality than our interstates:
>       narrower lanes, narrower shoulders, tighter radius turns,
>       rougher pavement, rarely bigger than 2 lanes.
> 
> WHY?  Because in their good Germanic ways, they follow driving rules to a T.
> NO ONE cruises in the left lane -- it's for passing only.  People SIGNAL

I beg to differ.  I spent 6 months in Germany (8 years ago), driving mostly
around the Munich area.  One time, in particular, some @*#$@ pulled into the
left lane in front of me (I was doing ~180 kph, he was going ~80), good thing
that Passat had good brakes!  Flashing your lights in a Passat just isn't
as impressive as flashing 'em in a Mercedes or BMW, I guess.
I agree, *most* German drivers are better than the average driver over here. 
They have to pay big bucks to go through driving schools to get their licenses 
in the first place, and if they get them taken away... that's it, they don't 
get them back.  Most people over here don't realize that driving is a 
priviledge, not a right.

> before changing lanes.  People are OBSERVANT of traffic around them,
> knowing they (or someone around them) may get killed by simple acts
> of discourteous driving.
> 
> Perhaps the thing that gauls me most on interstates is someone exercising
> their constitutional right to drive at the speed limit in the left lane.
> 
Here here!

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Newsgroups: co.ads,co.general,boulder.general
From: yoder@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Matt Yoder)
Subject: Used Mac Software for Sale:
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: co
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:14:08 GMT

I have the following Macintosh software for sale.  All manuals are present,
and I will consider any offer made.

Here's the list:

MS Word 5.0				$80
MS Word 4.0				$50
MS Works 2.0a				$70
MS Basic Compiler			$20
MS Basic Interpreter			$20
Quickeys				$10
ZBASIC Compiler				$10
Suitcase II				$10
MS Flight Simulator			$10
Central Point Copy II Mac/Mac Tools	$20
Central Point PC Tools Deluxe for Mac	$20
Calendar Maker				$10
Mockpackage Plus Utilities		$10
Hypercard Stacks for Education		$10

Please feel free to E-mail questions or offers, or leave a message at either
of the numbers below (but, preferably the pager...)

Thank you,

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Newsgroups: co.general
From: murray@rocky.raleigh.ibm.com (Charlie Murray)
Subject: Re: Speed Variances on the Highway...
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:10:01 GMT
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

In article <1992Dec16.191653.2712@news.eng.convex.com>, cyrus@convex.com (Tait Cyrus) writes:

|> US drivers do not respect each other.  If they did they would get out of the
|> way of someone behind them.  US drivers feel they have the 'right' to enforce
|> the speed limit by driving the speed limit in the left lane.  I think that
|> 'respect' is what people should be worrying about not how fast the other guy is
|> going.

I have always felt this, but have never been able to verbalize it until now.
 
|> I liked what Ross Perot had to propose.  He proposed raising gas tax by $0.50
|> at the end of 5 years.  US drivers are spoiled with the CHEAP gas.  The price
|> of gas in Germany is roughly 4 times that here in the US (1.30DM/liter which is
|> ~$4.92US/gallon).  US drivers don't obey speed limits.  The US Government has
|> set the speed limit at 55 to 'save gas'.  If they want to save gas, they should
|> increase the gas tax (using the money to fix the interstates which, in my
|> opinion, are in TERRIBLE shape) causing drivers to drive less (driving less
|> saves gas) because the higher price of gas will result in people driving less.
|> I would be more than willing to pay higher gas prices if the end result was
|> better roads.

I would modify this slightly to say I would be more than willing to pay higher
gas prices if the end result was better public transportation.  I guess what
I'm really saying is I would be willing to use a better public transportation
system, paid for by higher gas taxes, by people who refuse to get out of their
cars.  Yea ... that's the ticket.

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Newsgroups: co.general
From: era@sedona.scd.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold)
Subject: Re: PRIORITIES
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:05:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov25.224713.3174@claven.ucar.edu> woods@claven.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) writes:

>Hell, parents of "problem" kids would probably benefit a great deal from
>something like Amendment 7, since it would make possible the establishment
>of special schools for these kids and they would have some hope of being
>able to afford them.

Why, Greg?

The intent of Amendment 7 is to reduce the school system to the
profit motive.  What profit is there in high-risk, special-needs
kids?
--
Ed Arnold * NCAR * POB 3000, Boulder, CO 80307-3000 * 303-497-1253(voice)
303-497-{1298,1137}(fax) * internet: era@ncar.ucar.edu * bitnet: era@ncario
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Newsgroups: co.test
From: matt@desdra.enet.dec.com (Matt Taylor)
Subject: test
Reply-To: matt@desdra.enet.dec.com (Matt Taylor)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:41:57 GMT


--
Matt Taylor
matt@desdra.cxo.dec.com

dxrn test.
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