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Subject: Re: Princess Diana, Somalia, NY Times, history
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 10:21:40 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:

> The idea that only money drives the press is a short-circuit
> that keeps people blissfully ignorant of the extent to which they
> are being manipulated -- or educated, depending on your point of
> view -- by what appears to be nothing more than a series of news
> reports. 
> 
> How did Negroes become blacks? How did vagrants become the 
> homeless? Through a second-order agea on the part of editors
> that had nothing to do with making money.


Uhh, excuse me...?

I was around during that period when we went through the process of 
changing from being addressed as Negro to black. If you're trying to 
suggest that the reason this happened is because some loose cabal of 
white news editors said so, you're about to be thrown out for having been 
caught *WAY* off base.

That semantic change was one that worked from the inside-out.  For the 
first time in our history in this country, we were addressing ourselves 
by the term of our own choice. Newspapers gradually, even reluctantly, 
recognized this and acknowledged our basic right to be addressed as we 
choose to be addressed.
G.

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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Septic systems and toilet paper
Date: 1 Jan 93 04:37:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <HALLINAN.92Dec30132803@zeus.harvard.edu> hallinan@zeus.harvard.edu (Peter W. Hallinan) writes:
>All the posts on septic systems have me wondering...
>Does toilet paper actually degrade in the septic tank, or
>is it really the main ingredient of the solids that have to be
>periodically pumped out?

TP really does degrade.  Not perfectly.  Neither does the other effluent.
The sludge is mostly just one of the byproducts of the anerobic bacteria
process.
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From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London)
Subject: Re: pollution from woodburning fireplace
Followup-To: sci.environment
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:28:43 GMT

In article <1hr11tINNilk@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ad376@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patricia Dedula) writes:
>
>
>My neighbor has a woodburning fireplace which he burns from 
>morning to night.  It is polluting the air around my house to the
>point where I ca
>can hardly breathe when I am outside and it is getting into m
>my house.  Could anyone tell me what could be causing this 
>pollution.  Could he be burning the wrong kind of wood?  What 
>could my neighbor do to eliminate or cut down the strong smell
>that his coming from his fireplace and surrounding my house.
>I noticed even his chimney is getting black.
>
>-- 
>Pat Dedula 
>May you have Peace, Love, and Happiness forever ...
From: Andrew.Cohill@vtssi.vt.edu (Andrew Michael Cohill)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Wood Heating
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:48:01 GMT
Organization: Fire in the Mountain
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Re: Wood Heating

Fireplace inserts are not very good; relative to free-standing stoves, 
you are still going to lose a great deal of radiated heat up the 
chimney.  Psychologically, they are not very satisfying because you can't 
really enjoy the radiant heat source the way you can with a free standing 
stove.

If you want the thing out of site, you could put it in the basement and 
put the cold air return right over it.  I have a friend with a 3000+ sq. 
ft. house, and that's what he did.  He actually has two heat pumps, one 
upstairs and one downstairs, and when he has the stove fired up just runs 
the fan.  It works great.  If you do that, don't forget to put firewood 
door in the basement wall, like the old coal chute doors.  It will save 
you much, much work.

Even if you are putting the stove upstairs, think about designing in an 
insulated, double-door wood box that you can open from the outside and 
load, then walk in the house and open up to take wood out for the stove.

Andrew

Andrew.Cohill@vtssi.vt.edu
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:51:49 GMT


>In other words, as before: as long as your well is at least 50 feet
>from the septic tank/dry well/drainage field and a water test comes up
>negative, don't worry about it.

The landlord claims that she has the water tested, but the two are certainly
nowhere near that far apart.
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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Date: 30 Dec 92 03:40:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Dec29.185149.17484@siemens.com> aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:

>>In other words, as before: as long as your well is at least 50 feet
>>from the septic tank/dry well/drainage field and a water test comes up
>>negative, don't worry about it.

>The landlord claims that she has the water tested, but the two are certainly
>nowhere near that far apart.

Then have it tested yourself for E. Coli and total coliform count.  Don't
get hung up on code requirements which may not have been in place when the
well or septic system were installed.  Have it tested.  That's what matters.
And if it comes up positive, the landlord will have to fix it.
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Subject: Re: Need advice re: cattle
From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (A.S. Chamove)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 22:54:12 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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If you get calves that have been hand reared or do it yourself, the
resulting animals will be very tame and easy to handle. Even if they
are mother-reared, they will not be dangerous (although a mother with
calf will charge a dog, not a human).
Here a cow is charged between $US6-9 per week grazing in the Winter,
less in the summmer depending on the quality of the grazing. I would
assume there is a standard rate there too, so you can easily
calculate the value of his grazing.
I would suggest that you give him the grazing in exchange for
teaching you what to do. The 15 cattle will not be worth much in
grazing and the first-hand knowledge will be very welcome. That is
what I did and now feel very comfortable with drenching, castrating,
and the like. 
Cattle really take very little care except if you are are breeding
yearlings where large calves can be a problem.  Otherthan that, they
pretty much take care of themselves. 


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Massey University Psychology
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Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: pecampbe@mtu.edu (Paul Campbell)
Subject: Re: Straw Bales as Bldg Blocks?
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:51:30 GMT

In article <1427600006@igc.apc.org> sjuniper@igc.apc.org (Steve Juniper) writes:
>
>lstraw bales in home construction?
>

Sure..use it all the time with concrete work in winter to get it to cure
right..course that's not quite what you meant.
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor)
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:28:39 GMT

pecampbe@mtu.edu (Paul Campbell) writes:

>Hmm..sounds like upstate New York,
Nope, upstate SC. We live with the side effects of our own hydro lakes,
both the good and the bad.

Whether you heat with the grid or not, you use it and need it (you aren't
using a propane powered VAX are you? :-). Nukes and hydro beat out
fossil powered grids hands down in my opinion. It is obvious that I also
like the idea of heating and cooking with hydro/nuke more than propane.

>If you REALLY want to be economical about it, build yourself either your
>own wind mill or solar system, or both.
That sounds really economical to me. I live in a rural area. Here's a deal
for you. I'll run my house off wind mills and solar power, and keep paying
what I'm paying now. If there's a surplus, you get it. If I end up in
the hole, you pay. Deal?

-Mike
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: spf@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Steve Frysinger of Blue Feather Farm)
Subject: Leads in Kentucky?
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:02:48 GMT


INFORMATION NEEDED RE: KENTUCKY

A friend of mine wants to leave the NY/NJ metropolitan area and get off the
corporate merry-go-round.  She is considering moving to KY -- not too far
from her East coast roots, but far enough south to what she thinks might be
an easier pace of life.

She will need a place to rent, preferably in a small town and probably on
the eastern side of the state near the mountains.  She wants to leave her
office career of 14 years and, in her words, 'do something constructive',
like work as a vet tech or assistant in a vet's office, or help care for
horses in exchange for a place to live.

Any leads?  Towns in which to statrt looking?  Vets who might be looking
for help?  My friend is serious about this, but needs a starting point.

Thanks!
Steve
From: ddh@a2.cim.cdc.com (Dan Horsfall x4622)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Dragging Logs
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:29:20 GMT
Reply-To: ddh@a2.cim.cdc.com
Organization: Control Data Corp, Arden Hills, MN

In article <C01uzz.60x@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves) writes:
> > [ more on how to pull logs out of the woods...]
> 
> Try this if nothing else is an option.  Make a 2 wheeled carrier out
> of some motorcycle wheels and some tubing.  Make it heavy duty enough
> to support the biggest log you'll have and then some.  

Hot damn, I was wondering if somebody was going to suggest this.  Actually,
Anmar's suggestion may even be heavier-duty than you need; you may be
able to get by with just enough cart to get _one_ end off the ground and
onto wheels -- the heavy end, of course.

Such a hybrid vehicle is of most use when you can fasten the cart to the
log, and thus the both of them _as a single unit_ to the towing end of yer
truck.  In this case, your goal is simply to prevent the leading end
of the log from plowing or catching on things.  You'll still be dragging
the bulk of the tree on its branches.

> Good luck, you're in for a *lot* of work.

This still applies ...

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Newsgroups: misc.rural,rec.autos.driving
From: johnc@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (John Cooley)
Subject: Re: Tow chains or slings?
Summary: Either one can break
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:26:30 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
Followup-To: misc.rural

In article <fvaughn.44@stpaul.ncr.com> fvaughn@stpaul.ncr.com (Frank Vaughn) writes:

>I have heard of several cases of people pulling stuck vehicles w/ straps, 
>the strap breaking, and the person in one of the vehicles being injured/
>killed by the remnant of the strap.

>If I don't have a chain and am forced to use a strap, I will open the hood 
>and pull backwards to protect against this case.

>Straps are okay for towing, but I would avoid pulling stuck vehicles out of 
>ditches, etc., if possible.

Straps can break; chains can break.  Chains do a lot of damage when they
break.  Straps can, too, but for reasons detailed earlier, I prefer a strap.
Other posts have described effective safety measures for the use of either.

Straps must be cared for more rigorously than chains and they must be
replaced regularly.  Using a frayed or inadequate strap will cause grief
similar to that caused by using a chain with a weak link.  Tensile strength
of chains is less than their weight might suggest.  Jerking a chain is hard
on both vehicles and the chain, so the chain is often ineffective unless
traction is excellent, and it may cause vehicle damage even if it doesn't
break.  Transient loads are very high.  

I have seen straps break, with no resulting damage.  I have seen thousands
of dollars worth of damage done by chains which didn't break, but simply
bent the vehicles to which they were attached.  User error?  Absolutely.  It
is an easy error for the overenthusiastic hero to commit.

Am I claiming that a strap never causes damage?  Absolutely not.  They can
and do.  Winch cables break, too, and if you think they haven't stretched
before they break, then watching one fail will be a revelation.

If you decide to get into the hero business, you're introducing risk.
I believe that well-maintained straps of sufficient size introduce less
risk than the chains that most people are willing to carry, which are
neither long enough nor strong enough.  And unlike chains, straps can be
jerked, which increases their effectiveness (and the risk!).

        John Cooley
From: f_speerjr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: Septic systems and toilet paper
Date: 1 Jan 93 08:13:19 CST
Distribution: na
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <HALLINAN.92Dec30132803@zeus.harvard.edu>, hallinan@zeus.harvard.edu (Peter W. Hallinan) writes:
> All the posts on septic systems have me wondering...
> Does toilet paper actually degrade in the septic tank, or
> is it really the main ingredient of the solids that have to be
> periodically pumped out?
> 					Cambridge, MA  02138

If our experience with one septic tank these last 13 years is any guide, toilet
paper is not a problem, and, properly used, the tank need never be pumped out.

We have used the present septic system for 13 years. It has never been pumped,
but it was opened last year to replace an input line that had failed. We found
only about 6 inches of solid material in the bottom, suggesting that most of
the solids we have dumped this past decade+ have been converted to liquid by
bacterial action and transferred out of the tank and into the drain field.
This, I thought, is how a septic system is SUPPOSED to work.

We freely flush toilet paper, but we carefully observe two rules: 1) NO GREASE
of any kind into the system, and 2) NOTHING that would kill bacteria
(prominently including chemical drain openers, bleach, etc.).

We are located in the woods of East Texas, and our drain field was properly
designed with appropriate fall, and drains into the red clay/sand soil that is
typical of the southern pine forest.

Cheers and happy new year!
Jim Speer
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 28 Dec 92 10:22:05 -0600
Followup-To: misc.rural
Distribution: usa
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Dec27.212129.27007@siemens.com>, aad@siemens.com (Anthony
Datri) wrote:
> 
> 
> I recently moved into a place that gets water from a well, and dumps it into
> a septic tank.  What concerns should I have about using the water from the
> well?  

Have the water tested. There is almost certainly such a service available
from your county.
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:55:22 GMT

>>What concerns should I have about detergents and
>>such that I use that end up in the septic tank?

>Are you worried you'll wreck it?

No, I'm worried about polluting the environment.  I don't know enough about
septic tanks to worry about it specifically.

> If there was anything you could do
>that would wreck it, the landlord would have told you not to do it.

Well, the landlord let me believe that the gas stove was reasonable, but I
see now that it has a pair of pilots burning.  I don't truse landlords.

>I just live my life as always. Some people have wells that can't support
>heavy watering or five loads of laundry in a row, but you'll find
>that out lickety-split when you run out of water :-).

I find it out when the pump drops the voltage throughout the electrical web.

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From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Date: 30 Dec 92 03:48:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Dec29.185522.17568@siemens.com> aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
>No, I'm worried about polluting the environment.  I don't know enough about
>septic tanks to worry about it specifically.

Minimize bleach usage, no harsh household cleansers like draino.  No solvents
or paints.  Minimal grease.  Low or zero phosphate detergents.  Just like
you should already be doing with a municipal system if you're concerned about
the environment.

>> If there was anything you could do
>>that would wreck it, the landlord would have told you not to do it.

>Well, the landlord let me believe that the gas stove was reasonable, but I
>see now that it has a pair of pilots burning.  I don't truse landlords.

Gas stoves are far more environmentally friendly than almost anything else.
Even with pilot lights, they're burning far fewer fossil fuels than an electric
stove does in the power plant that's supplying it.  Unless the power plant is
nuclear.

>>I just live my life as always. Some people have wells that can't support
>>heavy watering or five loads of laundry in a row, but you'll find
>>that out lickety-split when you run out of water :-).

>I find it out when the pump drops the voltage throughout the electrical web.

Probably not.  The pump will either just shut itself off, or make a smelly,
hot and loud sound as it leaves this earth.
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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Newsgroups: misc.rural
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:33:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ

>>Yep -- that's one reason why I wouldn't even consider a damned electric
>>one.  

>Around here

Where "here" is is impossible to know since your Organization header doesn't
include anything useful.

> all the power on the grid is nuke or hydro. No pollution 
>released into the environment at all. I realize that this is not true
>in many places.

Exactly.  Burning fossil fuels and getting out electricity is inefficient, and
you lose more in transmission, and resistive heating is inefficient too.

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From: tmc@barnyard.syr.edu (Terry R. McConnell)
Subject: Re: concerns with well water and a septic tank
Reply-To: tmc@barnyard.syr.edu
Organization: Syracuse University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 16:08:06 EST

In article <1992Dec29.035611.988@mtu.edu> pecampbe@mtu.edu (Paul Campbell) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.225315.6187@siemens.com> aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
>>
>>>A septic tank is a "solid" cement tank. It of course does leak like all
>>>concrete does, to some extent.
>>
>>What I'm really worried about is polluting.  If this tank is supposed to be
>>solid, then why doesn't it fill up very, very quickly?
>
>The water is run through a dry well. This gets rid of the moisture and
>leaves the remaining solid wastes to continue into the septic tank. For
>some reason, the new thing is to use a drain field instead of a dry well.
>It performs essentially the same function.

[ stuff deleted ]

In most systems I've seen the "stuff" flows into the drain field
(called a leach field around here) _after_ leaving the septic tank.
In a properly working tank the sewage separates into 3 layers: a layer
of scum on top, a layer of relatively clear water, and a layer of
sludge which builds up in the bottom. The outflow pipe extends below
the layer of scum so that the water flowing out into the leach field
is relatively free of solids which might plug the pores of the soil
and bring the whole system crashing down. Another common feature is
that the inflow pipe is lower than the outflow pipe. That way, if the
solids in the bottom build up too much the inflow pipe gets clogged
and sewage begins to back up into your basement. That may not sound
like such a good feature, but consider this: you will be quickly
forced to take relatively cheap remedial action (getting the tank
pumped at $100-$200) instead of having your leach field get plugged
up, costing you thousands to have the entire system replaced.

Tanks dont need to be pumped nearly as often as the pumping outfits
would have you believe, but they do eventually need to be pumped.
Every 5 years is a good idea. 
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