HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
In message <ME.92Nov23090821@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU> Martin Frost wrote:
>
> Why has the optional saving of rmail buffers by save-some-buffers (and thus
> by C-X s and C-X C-C) been disabled in rmail.el for Lucid Emacs??

Someone at FSF did it.  I've taken it out.  Thanks for diagnosing it.

	-- Jamie
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:55:19 -0600
From: jp@ssc.gov (John Palkovic)
Subject: patch for extents.c/VM hangs
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
Jamie sent me a new extents.c which I linked in with a few mods.
(Thanks, Jamie) For a week now I have experienced no hangs in VM. This
is under SunOS 4.1.1. The patch is about 13K, so I am not posting it.
I have made it available for anon. ftp as
lupulus.ssc.gov:/pub/extents.c-patch.

For those without internet access, you can get the patch from a
mail-server, put 'send extents.c-patch' in the BODY of a mail message
to mail-server@lupulus.ssc.gov. The following "one-liner" should do:

   echo send extents.c-patch |mail mail-server@lupulus.ssc.gov

Later,

-John

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Subject: lucid-emacs bug from a net lucid user
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From: "Charlie Krasic (Buck)" <cckrasic%plg.uwaterloo.ca@lucid.com>
To: hotline@lucid.com
Subject: Bug in Lucid Emacs 19.3(?)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:08:46 -0500


I am running lemacs-19.3 on a Sparc 670/MP with SunOS (4.1.2?).  
The bug(?) appears fairly straight forward.  I have my function keys bound 
to various things. Specifically, f5 is bound to shrink-window.  

I inadvertantly hit f5 while in the mini-buffer and lemacs crashed; 
i.e., the process died and the window is removed from my X display.

--
Charlie Krasic                  \Programming Language Group
                                 \Dept. of Computer Science
email: cckrasic@plg.UWaterloo.ca  \  University of Waterloo
Phone: (519) 888-4822              \ Waterloo, Ont. N2L 3G1


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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:18:52 -0800
From: wolfgang@wsrcc.com (Wolfgang S. Rupprecht)
Subject: menubar => nil core dump.
Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
Setting the following and pulling down any menu item causes a core dump.

	(setq current-menubar nil
		default-menubar nil)

Now, if one waits for some menu refresh to occur then the menubar
gracefully pops out of existence and leaves one with a slightly bigger
screen.

-wolfgang
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Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.bug
From: etnrwi@hisoy2.etn.ericsson.se (Raymond A. Wiker (9482))
Subject: Problems with selective-display, lucid-emacs 19.3
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AS
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:36:18 GMT


	We have started looking at lucid-emacs, and it seems that
selective-display does not work at all. I have tried setting
selective-display to t (which is supposed to print an ellipsis where a
line is broken with \r instead of \n) and numeric values; none of
these work.

	Anybody know anything about this???

	//Raymond.
--
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C/o Ericsson A/S, Boks 44, 4817 HIS, NORWAY
In message <9211201906.AA13834@mc.com> Gerry Pocock wrote:
>
> 1) When I move from screen A to screen B where screen A is on top of
> screen B, screen B raises but the hidden contents of screen B are not
> immediately displayed, there is a few second delay. 

The delay is probably because of swapping.  Get more memory.

> It appears to me that lucid emacs is attempting to access a terminal
> upon startup, maybe via an ioctl.

This is fixed; it will be in 19.4.

> 3) When I hold down the cnt-n key, lucid appears to wait before moving
> the cursor. The cursor position isn't updated until I release the key.

Did you compile with optimization?  All versions of emacs abort redisplay
as soon as new user input appears; if the execution of C-n takes longer than
the autorepeat speed, then you won't see any redisplay until you release the
key.  When emacs is compiled with optimization on a sparc (with lcc, at least)
it's fast enough, but when it's compiled with -g, it sometimes isn't.

I'm not entirely sure why C-n takes longer in lemacs than in other versions
of emacs but it probably has something to do with the fact that we disabled
the "direct-output-for-insert" and similar redisplay optimizations, because
the emacs redisplay code really, really, really sucks, and that was the
easiest way to make it stop crashing.

> 4) One of the things I liked about epoch was the separate minibuffer.
> It was nice having the minibuffer as wide as my terminal screen
> without having to have individual screens as wide as the terminal
> screen. Is this possible with lucid emacs.

No.  There's code in there, but it doesn't work.  Feel free to make it work.
I dislike detached minibuffers, so this is way down on my list.

	-- Jamie
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:42:25 PST
X-Windows: More than enough rope.
From: jwz@lucid.com (Jamie Zawinski)
Subject: Re: Is it possible to make an 'invisible face' ?
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
In message <SCHMID.92Nov19144342@fb3-s5.fb3-s7.math.TU-Berlin.DE> Gregor Schmid wrote:
>
> I've been wondering, whether the option to make s.th. like an
> 'invisible face' would be desirable. At the moment selective-display
> doesn't work, and it is rather a cludge anyway. 

I like the idea of invisible faces more than selective display too.  But
it's about the same amount of work on redisplay to do this as it would be
to make selective display work again.  We're going to cut our losses and
rewrite redisplay eventually, so trying to do this before then would be a
waste.

> Outline or folding modes take their time replacing ^J with ^M when
> hiding a region.
> 
> This could be done a lot faster and in line with the current design,
> if an (invisible . t) attribute could be added to a face.

Well remember that they're still going to have to take their time creating
extents.  They will probably have to create fewer of them, but creating an
extent allocates memory, so it may end up being slower than turning ^Js 
into ^Ms.
		-- Jamie
From: rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
Subject: Re: Is it possible to make an 'invisible face' ?
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:58:46 GMT
Organization: Human Communication Research Center
In-reply-to: schmid@fb3-s7.math.TU-Berlin.DE's message of 19 Nov 92 14:43:42 GMT


Well, invisable is easy, just set foreground and background the same
colour. :-)

--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk			_O_
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:25:27 GMT
From: wolfgang@wsrcc.com (Wolfgang S. Rupprecht)
Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA
Subject: Re: Problems with lemacs on Sparc 10
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
laufer@math.luc.edu (Konstantin Laufer) writes:
>I'm having a terrible problem on my new Sparc 10.  When I start up
>lemacs, namely the precompiled one from labrea.stanford.edu, most of
>the times I get a segmentation fault, but sometimes it starts up,
>maybe 1 out of 50 times.  Has anyone experienced anything like this
>before?  On our Sparc 2s and ELCs there is no such problem.  

Are the sparc 2's running that exact same OS as the Sparc 10?

I have noticed what might be a related problem.  When I run the
precompiled lemacs 19.3 on a Sparcstation/SunOS 4.1.2/OW-3.0, I see
problems with the hostname that the icon displays.  It reads
"emacs@watergate".  This looks like a fairly random value for a
machine that is called "bandit" to be printing.  (It's never bothered
me that much so I've always been glad it didn't try printing the
string at 0xffffffff or something like that.)

Recompiling the lemacs on that particular machine isn't easily
doable, so I haven't played with it beyond that.

-wolfgang
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
From: lynbech@daimi.aau.dk (Christian Lynbech)
Subject: Re: zmacs style elastic mini-buffer
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:02:51 GMT

rao@parikalpik.eas.asu.edu (Subbarao Kambhampati) writes:


>Is there a way in which we can have the minibuffer become more than
>one line long whenever it needs to show long inputs or outputs? I find
>it frustrating when I am trying to find-file on a deeply nested
>directory and the pathname is so long that lemacs shows just the
>beginning or ending of the line and I am typing without seeing the
>full text..

>Rao

I remember an old emacs (18) package which was supposed to help in
that situation.

The idea was to keep a log of message output in a separat buffer, so
one always could see not only long lines, but also older messages. If
I remember correctly, it even displayed the history buffer
automatically when output did not fit the minibuffer.

I don't recall what it was called (should be on ohio though) nor how
it was implemented (portability ?). Perhaps somebody else does?


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:12:40 EST
From: chris@imsi.com (Chris Payne)
Subject: Re: Is it possible to make an 'invisible face' ?
	<SCHMID.92Nov19144342@fb3-s5.fb3-s7.math.TU-Berlin.DE>
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
Jamie Zawinski writes:
> <SCHMID...@fb3-s5.fb3-s7.math.TU-Berlin.DE> Gregor Schmid wrote:
> > Outline or folding modes take their time replacing ^J with ^M when
> > hiding a region.
>
> Well remember that they're still going to have to take their time
> creating extents.  They will probably have to create fewer of them,
> but creating an extent allocates memory, so it may end up being
> slower than turning ^Js into ^Ms.

So:  leave the extents, just toggle visibility.

/c
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:45:14 EST
From: jdesai@sundeck.East.Sun.COM (Jatin Desai -- Contractor)
Subject: Re: Question: Pending delete in lemacs
Content-Length: 535
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
> (load-library "pending-del")

After I load the pending delete library, if I try to type into minibuffer
(with M-X) with text selected in a buffer, I get the following error message:

    Args out of range 14114, 14143

and then the selected text becomes unselected. Other than that it seems to
work just fine.

To reproduce this:
	1. M-X load-library pending-del
	2. Select some text
	3. M-X eval-region <--- as soon as I type e, the text becomes
				unselected, and I get above error message.

Thanks,

Jatin Desai
jdesai@ilu.com

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:19:07 GMT
From: djh@CIS.Prime.COM (David Hughes)
Subject: Re: Minor addition for find-dired.el
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
Hi,

  Being new to lucid emacs, I am not sure these questions have been
asked before. I am running on a sun4, sunos-4.1.1 using x11r5 patch
level 16 and the tvtwm manager.

1) When I move from screen A to screen B where screen A is on top of
screen B, screen B raises but the hidden contents of screen B are not
immediately displayed, there is a few second delay. Is this delay
normal? Is there a way to get the screen to be refreshed immediately
upon being raised (I have told tvtwm to raise the window when the
cursor moves into it and I have also set auto-raise-screen)

2) I have a set of pull down windows defined for tvtwm. One of the
windows has a set of tools that I call. If I start up X using xinit,
everything works fine when I invoke lucid emacs. However, if I use
xdm, I cannot get lucid emacs to start. The only what I could get it
to start was to have xterm start which then executed lucid emacs. The
command lines from .tvtwmrc file are

    "lucid"		!"lemacs &"	// doesn't work with xdm
    "lucid"		!"xterm -iconic -e lemacs &"  // works with xdm

It appears to me that lucid emacs is attempting to access a terminal
upon startup, maybe via an ioctl.

This is the only tool that demonstrates this behavior. Emacs and Epoch
both work fine under xdm.


3) When I hold down the cnt-n key, lucid appears to wait before moving
the cursor. The cursor position isn't updated until I release the key.
I don't see this behavior with either epcoh or emacs. It appears that
lucid emacs is buffering the input. Is there a way to disable this
feature. This doesn't happen all of the time but frequently enough
that it is annoying.


4) One of the things I liked about epoch was the separate minibuffer.
It was nice having the minibuffer as wide as my terminal screen
without having to have individual screens as wide as the terminal
screen. Is this possible with lucid emacs.


Well, those are the questions for now. I must say that some of the
features in lucid emacs are very nice. As I explore, I am sure that I
will continue to find more features that I will learn that I can't
live without. Nice job!

					-- Gerry

==============================================================================

Dr. Gerry Pocock				gcp@mc.com
Mercury Computer Systems			508.458.3100
600 Suffolk Street
Lowell Mass 01854

	"Quit dreaming this is real life baby", Jim Keer, Simple Minds

Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
From: zfs60@cas.org (Zhiyong John Shen)
Subject: ispell bug in lucid emacs
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:27:59 GMT

sometimes ispell just stops when it says: Spelling buffer-name...

or continuing spell buffer-name...

it happens from time to time, and i have to kill ispell process to
restart (sometimes this doesn't work either).  i am wonder if this is
a bug in ispell.el (by the way, i am using ispell 3.0).  thanks for
any help.

--john
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:48:43 PST
X-Windows: Japan's secret weapon.
From: jwz@lucid.com (Jamie Zawinski)
Subject: Re: Building 19.3 on Sun Sparc
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
I think this happens when the malloc(0) returns NULL but the X libraries are
not compiled with the flag that tells them that this happens.  Why they need
a compile-time flag for this instead of just *dealing* with it, I don't know.
Good solution: recompile your X libraries with this flag.  Not so good 
solution: modify gmalloc.c to actually allocate memory for 0-length blocks.
Worse solution: use the system malloc.

	-- Jamie
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:48:14 +0100
From: Guido.Bosch%loria.fr@lucid.com (Guido Bosch)
Subject: new mode-motion+ version
Reply-To: bosch%loria.fr@lucid.com (Guido Bosch)
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
Is there by any chance a lisp variable (or redefinition of a lisp
function) that will get rid of the menubar from on top line of lemacs?

I never use the silly thing, and would much rather get an extra line
of text on my screen.

-wolfgang

PS. Its also embarasing when someone mistakes my lemacs for a
    Trashintosh (tm) program. ;-)
---
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Snail Mail:           39469 Gallaudet Drive, Fremont, CA 94538-4511
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 09:22:29 PST
From: devin%scylla@lucid.com (Matthieu Devin)
Subject: Re: Question: Pending delete in lemacs
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
> Is there a way to do pending delete (ie. the highlighted area is
> deleted if user enters non-command key codes) in lemacs
> currently?

(load-library "pending-del")
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
From: irvine@ntmtv.UUCP (Chuck Irvine)
Subject: scrollbars, delete, backspace
Keywords: scrollbars, delete, backspace
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:26:50 GMT

I've just started using Lucid Emacs and it looks very good. I've got
a couple of questions for which I would greatly appreciate some help.

1) Simple question - is it possible to install mouseable scrollbars?

2) Being a creature of habit, I cannot keep myself from hitting the 
   backspace key when I want a backspace. I've tried inserting
   "(global-set-key 'BS 'delete-backward-char)" in my .emacs file but it
   doesn't seem to have any effect. However, I do seem to be able to get
   the desired result by invoking the global-set-key command interactively.
   Also, is there any good reason why I shouldn't do this, assuming I can
   figure out how, that anyone knows of? 

Thanks.
   

Chuck Irvine 
Northern Telecom

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:48:49 GMT
From: djh@CIS.Prime.COM (David Hughes)
Subject: thing.el for mode-motion+
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
I just obtained lemacs-19.3 from labrea.
I have been having problems getting things to work correctly on a Sun
Sparc under the following configuration:

SunOS 4.1.1
Openlook 2.0
gcc 2.3.1

After looking at the help-lucid-emacs and bugs-lucid-emacs archives it
seems that others have had similar problems.  Sorry if this is a
repeat but there did not seem to be an answer in the archives.

Here is what I have done.

  1.  The file src/lwlib/Imakefile was modified to just define
  USE_MOTIF (not USE_LUCID).

  2.  The top level Makefile was modified to use gcc by defining
  CC=gcc on the SUBDIR dependency line (around line 55).

  3.  The complilation goes OK but I get a number of undefined symbols
  (such as create_project_p_sheet, create_debugger_p_sheet, etc.).  I
  have traced this down to src/lwlib/lwlib-Xm.c and placed some #ifdef
  ENERGIZE statements around some extern's, function definitions and
  some elements in the xm_creation_table array.  This seems to get rid
  of the undefined symbols.

OK.  Now I have an image to run.  But when I run it, the initial
window is mapped, I see the mode line and minibuffer but lemacs
immediately quits with the message:

Error: Cannot perform calloc

Any ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks

ba

Brian H. Anderson                     (206) 234-0881
Boeing Commercial Airplane Co.        bha@gumby.boeing.com
Seattle, Wa.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:32:04 EST
From: lamour@maestro.mitre.org (Michael Lamoureux)
Subject: Re: Question: Pending delete in lemacs
	<9211231751.AA16569@scylla.lucid>
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
>>>>> On Mon, 23 Nov 92 09:51:29 PST, devin%scylla@lucid.com (Matthieu Devin) said:

matthieu> Sorry I alwasy forget that 19.4 is not released yet.

	I can't let a reference like that go by...how close *is* Lucid
Emacs 19.4 to being released?


Thanks,
Michael
lamour@mitre.org
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:02:58 GMT
From: djh@CIS.Prime.COM (David Hughes)
Subject: vm-reply.el
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help
From: zfs60@cas.org (Zhiyong John Shen)
Subject: ispell dies when line is too long
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:50:25 GMT

since several other readers of the group asked me to post things if i
find a cure, i will put my temporary and partial workaround here, in
the hope that a better solution will be found by a better elisper.

here it is, it simply splits the line (and insert a backslash to mark
it), i did not bother to reconnect the split lines after ispell-buffer
because my application does not need reconnection, but it should be
fairly easy to do so.

it seems to work for me, but any criticism and/or improvement would be
greatly appreciate, as i am not very good at making lisp codes tight
or efficient.

;;;
;;; written by zhiyong "john" shen, but all gnu claims apply
;;;
(defun text-split-line ()
"Split long text lines to make ispell happy."
(goto-char (point-min))
(while (not (eobp)) 
  (beginning-of-line)
  (if (eolp) (forward-line 1))
  (setq counter 0)
  (while (not (eolp))
    (forward-char 1) 
    (if (eolp) (progn (forward-line 1) (setq counter 0)))
    (setq counter (1+ counter))
    (if (> counter 250)
      (progn (backward-word 1)
        (insert-string "\\\012")
        (forward-line 1) (beginning-of-line)
        (setq counter 0))))
  (end-of-line)))

(defun text-ispell-buffer ()
"ispell the text buffer."
(interactive)
(text-split-line)
(ispell-buffer))
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:23:01 EST
From: gcp@mc.com (Gerry Pocock)
Subject: A few questions.
Newsgroups: alt.lucid-emacs.help