From: cp7927@oktext.sbc.com (Caryn S. Prater)
Subject: Re: twisting (Thans for life)Read!
Reply-To: cp7927@oktext.UUCP (Caryn S. Prater)
Organization: Southwestern Bell
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 23:16:59 GMT

In article <83692@ut-emx.uucp> andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard) writes:
>clifton9220@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> [in response to Scott Roby]
>
>everyone else to have the same beliefs he does.
> 
>>We need to help our children to grow up in a society that they can know what is
>>right and what is wrong. 
>
>True enough.  That which is right hurts no one.  That which is wrong
>hurts people.  Whether you think abortion is right or wrong depends on
>whether or not you think the fetus is a person, and whether this
>personhood is more or less important than the mother's rights.
> 

I have something to add here.  I want to be the one to teach my
children what is right and wrong, not what someone else believes
is right or wrong.  The trouble with ( some) Christians is that
they believe they have a lock on " right" and " wrong" and all
of the rest of will accept their version " or else".  Fanatics
of all stripes scare me.


>>War is killing, isn't it?
>
>War is quite a bit more than just killing.
> 
>>We were given the ability to do as we want, even against God, to have freedom. 
>>Isn't God great to give us the ability to hate him or the choice to live in
>>him.
>

I find it strange that all these " Christians" were 100% behind
Uncle George when he flew into Bagdahd and killed thousands of
innocent citizens and then cry about aborted z/e/f's.  Oh, I for-
got, they were the " enemy", sorry. :-)


>>I know.  Staggering isn't it(divorse rate)?  That is why we need to help our
>>kids to grow up with morals.
>
>You know, I'm rapidly becoming offended by this.
>
>I'm not divorced...I'm not even married, yet.  :-)  My parents are not
>divorced, for which I am grateful.  However, my parents told me that to
>continue a loveless marriage is a far greater sin than to get a divorce.
>Do you now insinuate that my parents have taught me no morals?
> 

Don't be offended, they have all the answers.  Morals are anything
they believe in and want to force down the rest of our throats.
Funny thing this, the fundies forget the basic premise of this
country is personal freedom, freedom from government opression, yet
they want to pass LAWS that restrict freedom.  Abortion is only the
test case as it were.

> 
>>Much of religion is organized because there REALLY IS a God out there 
>>directing us.  A seperate nation.  One that is open to everyone.  Please 
>>consider it. Don't let our difference of opinion keep you out.
>
>"A sep[a]rate nation??"  That's the most frightening thing I've heard you
>say yet.  Am I alone in thinking that it's a short step from here to the
>Master Race?

You got it, sound vaguely like " new world order"?  I want to know
who are all these people God is using as traffic cops for the right?
Also, this seperate nation is not " open to everyone" only those
who will follow blindly someone like Jim Baker or Jerry Swaggert
or a Jerry Fallwell or, God forbid Pat Buchannan or Phyllis Schfaley
( sp?).  You will not be able to think, reason or ask questions in
this " seperate nation".




> 
>>Also, I don't think we should support a law only if it agrees with special
>>interest groups such as planned parenthood.
>
>Or the Catholic Church.  Or people who can't afford college.  Or young
>children.  They're all special interest groups.

Or apparently z/e/f's, since you would have us believe by your pol-
itical stance a z/e/f would be.  

Pretty scarey stuff, this.

Caryn


> 
>--
>--Andrew Hackard                                 If I spoke for UT, this post
>  andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                        would make even less sense.
 
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