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From: RFowler@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Robert A. Fowler)
Subject: Re: ATI Graphics Ultra and 15" minitor
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:27:09 GMT

>I just got a Gateway 486/33 in Thursday and have been perplexed by the
>Ultra crystal fonts while in Win 3.0.

>I have the new 1572FS (15") monitor they offer and the desktop and icons
>seem blurry in 1024X768 mode.  The whole desktop is much smaller than in
>other modes.   When I run it a regular VGA (640X480), clearness and the
>normal desktop size are fine.

>Am I doing something wrong?

Probably not, it is the monitor, however there is a setup program for the 
ATI Ultra Graphics that alows you to configure it for your monitor.  There 
is a custum configuration were you can change the frequency limits, you MAY 
want to try this.

Also you may need to adjust the monitor.  If you are "qualified service 
personel"  email me and I will give you some more detailed (and hazerdas to 
you health) hints/instructions on how to do this.

Also some boe calculations tell me that in order to display 1024x768 on a 
monitor with a .28mm dot pitch (for both x and y) you will need a display 
that is 11.25" wide by 8.46" high.  If the USABLE DISPLAY is smaller than 
this then the monitor *must* be dithering and the display will flicker and 
be blury.

Hope this helps.
    _________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:10:31 EDT
From:         "Kurt Schmidt, (919)-541-6502, 112 RAG" <KURT%zeus@RTI.RTI.ORG>
Subject:      RE: 3.1: the really important question
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>                What do we do with the decal?

I placed mine in my Rolodex - just in case I ever need help and MS asks.

Kurt
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 13:07:17 EDT
From:         Mahesh <ST102071@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Memory and MONOUMB2
X-To:         win3-l@uicvm.uic.edu

Another note about MONOUMB2.386.  If your computer seems incompatible with
it, call MS and get the supplemental driver library.  It has a file
MONOUMB.386, which is in some respects more compatible with some machines

--Mahesh
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:01:00 EDT
From:         DBRANTON@HUBIO2.HARVARD.EDU
Subject:      MEMORY, QEMM & MONOUMB

I have been using QEMM with WINDOWS 3.0 and have about 622 kb when I enter
WIN.  After upgrading to WINDOWS 3.1, I received the message that :
"Windows cannot set up an upper memory block at segment B000. Exclude this
address space by using the syntax of your memory manager.  For more infor
mation see the README.WRI file."

Excluding B000-b7FF does indeed cure the problem, but after reoptimizing
my config.sys and autoexec.bat files for memory, I now enter WIN with only
about 585 kb of memory, a loss I would prefer to avoid.  Checking README.WRI,
suggests installing MONOUMB2.386 as a device in CONFIG.SYS, with the implication
   that MONOUMB2 may avoid this memory loss.  But if I install MONOUMB2.386 as
a device in CONFIG.SYS (device=c:\windows\system\monoumb2.386) my computer
dies when it comes to this line and must be cold-rebooted.  Does anyone
have any suggestions?  Does QEMM have some new drivers for Windows 3.1?

Dan Branton
BRANTON@HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:40:10 CST
From:         Jim Bingham <LBU05@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      ATI Graphics Ultra and screensaver

   10 days ago I installed the Graphics Ultra in my Gateway 386/33.  It
works every bit as well as I hoped.  It's fast--and the "crystal fonts"
at 1024x768 are outstanding.
   But, subsequently, my screen would go completely blank.  No amount of
banging on the keyboard would bring my video back, although it was obvious
that my CPU was still working.  The only way I could get video back was to
reboot.
   After a great deal of experimentation, it appears that the shareware
screensaver ScreenPeace is the cause of the problem.  Since unloading it,
everything's been fine.  Running another screensaver is also fine.  I might
mention that ScreenPeace itself could run for some time before I suddenly
lost video.
   Anyone have a similar experience?  An explanation?
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:39:22 CDT
From:         "Chet Farmer, Asst. Dir., Project IDEALS" <CFARMER1@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Wierdest undocumented feature in W4W.

Anyone know how I can get a "spiff" macro?  I can't find mine anywhere.
-c

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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:44:25 CDT
From:         "Chet Farmer, Asst. Dir., Project IDEALS" <CFARMER1@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Win 3.1 Hates Netroom (Help)

On Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:10:00 PST RNOIA@scuacc.scu.edu or RNOIA@scu.bitnet said:
>help!
>other than that.. it works pretty good.. but i still think that
>Norton Desktop for windows 3.0 was a better improvement than
>windows 3.0 to windows 3.1, afterall norton had drag and drop
>a while ago!

Yeah, but Norton 2 + Win3.1 will be REALLY neat!

>roger :-).. ok i admit, norton doesn't come with the cool sounds.
>speaking of that, anyone know of a good *.snd to *.wav converter?

Or Voc --> wav; they're pretty cool, too.

BTW:  After Dark 2.0 with my Sound Blaster is entirely too strange.  Good
thing my pc's at home and not in my office (grin).

-chet

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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:43:00 EST
From:         "Chuck Bennett (919)966-1134" <UCHUCK@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: EXCEL UPDATE

> Does anyone know the approximate cost of upgrading from Excel 3.0 to Excel 4.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Tom Cawley, Jr.                                  FAX: 215-448-1982
> Hahnemann University School of Medicine
> Dept of Physiology & Biophysics, Molecular Immunopharmacology Unit
> Philadelphia PA 19102-2295
> USA

Yes.  $99.00 directly from Microsoft (800-426-9400).  Shipping to start
approximately 4/15/92.  BTW, they charged me the same $99.00 to upgrade
from 2.1d.

Chuck Bennett                       INTERNET #1: uchuck@unc.oit.unc.edu
Medical Sciences Teaching Labs      INTERNET #2: uchuck@med.unc.edu
CB# 7520  University of NC          BITNET:      uchuck@unc
Chapel Hill, NC  27599-7520         PHONE:       919-966-1134
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:47:04 +0300
From:         KARGRA@GBA930.ZAMG.AC.AT
Subject:      windows openingscreen
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Hi folks,(especially GB)
Today me dealer told me, I'd have to wait at least until the end of next week...
So it will take me longer to find out about the banner. Sorry, I won't believe
any more the dates my dealer tells me.
WBR, Alfred
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To: C20273@PRIME-A.POLY-SOUTH-WEST.AC.UK

Sorry, it will take longer than I thought. My dealer is out of WINDOWS (no, he
did not jump out from the 25th floor :-)) Yesterday he told me, I'd have to wait
at least until the end of next week... Thus I learned: never believe a dealers
date.
Sorry, Alfred
KARGRA@GBA930.ZAMG.AC.AT  *GEOLOGIC SURVEY OF AUSTRIA (NO KANGAROOS)*
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Date:         Sat, 18 Apr 1992 00:35:44 PDT
From:         b0506007@HP850S.NTU.EDU.TW
Subject:      Re: Stacker 2.0 UAE's windows 3.0
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              <WIN3-L%UICVM.bitnet@TWNMOE10.EDU.TW>

>     I just bought Stacker 2.0 and installed on my 486 computer with 85
> MB hard disk. DOS programs seem to be fine, but when  I run windows
> 3.0 programs, most of them gave me UAE (unrecoverable application
> error) right after flash the program menu, even including  built in
> windows program like PaintBrush, Write etc.  While those programs were
> running fine before the stacker installation.
>
Hello,
	I think that your problem is not caused by Stacker. I don't
	know how your problem can happen because my 486 computer is
	also with stacker and always runs windows 3.0. It seldom
	crashes.

	Drifter
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:45:00 EDT
From:         ERIC WEBB <EWZ@NCCIBM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lexicon

> BTW: If anyone can think of suitable additions to our netter's abbreviation
> lexicon, send that on too. (Example: HTH = Hope this helps)
>
 There is always RTFM :-) (must be used with smiley face)

Regards,
Eric Webb
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:46:25 MDT
From:         Manabu Asano <asano@XI.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Caption font size
X-To:         win3-l@uicvm.uic.edu

In Win 3.1, the caption of the window will be wrapped when the window is
minimized.  I like it but is there any way to change the font or font
size of the caption line?  (For example, if the caption is "WinQVT -
Unix station I", Win 3.1 wraps the caption like following:

	[~~~]
	[   ]  <- this is the WinQVT icon.
	[___}
       WinQVT -
        Unix
------ Station -------  I cannot see under this line.
          I

But "Station" and "I" are displayed outside the screen so I cannot tell
if Im in Unix station I or II or III....)

asano@hg.uleth.ca
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 06:46:00 EST
From:         Michael Gordon <GORDONM@DENISON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: D'Compress aka ZipManager

>
>Michael Gordon, you said in a recent Win3-L post.......
>
>>        ZipManager has been updated (with a name change) to D'Compress and is
>>supposed to work with 3.1.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   -
>What is the "exact" name of the D'Compress and is it on CICA, WUARCHIVE?
>I couldn't locate it using Archie. Thanks in advance.
>
        In the About box, it is described as: D'Compress for Windows*
                *formerly Zip Manager
I haven't seen it at cica, simtel, etc. My copy (pre-release .995) came
directly from Moon Valley, the publisher.

Michael D. Gordon
gordonM@cc.denison.edu
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:56:00 MDT
From:         FARAGHER@MSCD.BITNET
Subject: Re: EXCEL UPDATE

Egghead in Denver is offering $89 upgrade to Excel. I called Microsoft and
canceled my order and went to Egghead for a raincheck. They'll have it about
May 15th they said.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:05:26 EDT
From:         Jeff Saltzman <ST102060@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: TTFONTS2.ZIP works fine for me
X-To:         WIN3-L@uicvm.uic.edu

Yeah, I got those four TrueTupe font packages too, and they all unzipped
fine for me.  It sounds like you should just try again if they didn't work the
first time.  Many of them are Caps only, by the way; the fonts are, overall,
not that hot.  The only one I really like is BellBottom Laser.  It's great!

Later,
Jeff
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:47:30 PDT
From:         "Darryl G. Hosford" <dhosfor@ATL.CALSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      True Type
X-To:         win3-l@uicvm.uic.edu

I probably missed earlier discussion on True Type, but could
someone tell me about it, and why it is "better" than ATM, etc.

I have found four zip files containing True Type fonts.  There is also other
Win 3.x files available through FTP.  Following are some anonymous FTP
sites that I think you would find interesting.
		cica.cica.indiana.edu	(drive failure, working to come on line)
		clvax1.cl.msu.edu
		gandalf.umcs.maine.edu
		garbo.uwasa.fi
		mcsun.eu.net
		ucs_wcc.ucs.indiana.edu

Hope that this proves interesting for you.   :)

Darryl		<dhosfor@atl.calstate.edu>
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 07:18:00 CDT
From:         CSVCDAH@NNOMED.BITNET
Subject:      The real thing (OS2 list)

For those who were interested, there are two BITNET OS2 lists
available:

OS2@BLEKUL11  -  A moderated 'digest' sent out monthly, also the
  OS2 archives are available there.
OS2-L@FRORS12 -  An unmoderated discussion group (like this one).

In the interest of free flow of information...
Dan Henry
CSVCDAH@NNOMED
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:25:54 -0400
From:         Diego Gallina <dgallina@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: [dhosfor@ATL.CALSTATE.EDU: Win 3.1 upgrade question]
              Apr 5, 92 7:45 pm

With regard to the question of vendors supplying "pirate" dos & windows:

Hmmm... seems to me even a few very reputable mail order vendors DON'T
include software disks with their computers, though they DO include
the manuals (notably DELL, where the add says windows & dos included,
master disks NOT provided in extra-super fine print).  Now, I'm sure
DELL isn't supplying pirate copies here, but still doesn't it seem
stupid for them to sell you/us windows WITHOUT the masters?!  How many
times have each and every one of us had to change some setup parameter
and had to dig up the win 3.0 disks for printer drivers, video
drivers, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum??

-Just a question/gripe at CERTAIN pc manufacturers and resellers,
-Diego Gallina (dgallina@epas.utoronto.ca)
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:29:30 CDT
From:         Brian McGraw <DMCGRAW1@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 3.1 prices

On Sat, 4 Apr 1992 11:27:00 EST Michael Gordon said:
   [ text deleted ]
>By way of comparison, Micro Warehouse is now taking what they call back
>orders. The price there is $49 and the package is bundled with:
>        $500 worth of free coupons (I would guess this will come with upgrades
>                ordered anywhere)
>        Adobe Font Pack for Windows (I think this is the Adobe Plus Pack:
>                seven fonts and twenty-two typefaces and ATM)
>        a VIDEO (of what?)

I called MicroWarehouse today, and the guy said he knew nothing about such a
package.  He said Windows came with TrueType, and that was it.  The price,
is now $39.00.  Was this true to begin with, and if so, how can I get in on
the same deal?????

Thanks to one and all.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:22:17 CDT
From:         Jim Talbert <JLTALBER@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: TrueType Fonts

I was afraid I should have been more specific.  I'm a licensed 3.0 owner and
want to purchase the upgrade plus the TrueType software that Microsoft is
offering but want it at the best possible price.  Before I take the $99
offer from Microsoft, I want to determine whether any other vendor has the
same package for less.  So far all the offers seem to be either the
upgrade alone or a full 3.1 package.  No one seems to have the same TrueType
add-on as Microsoft.


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* Jim Talbert    User Support Specialist *
* Computer & Telecommunication Services  *
* Samford University, Birmingham, AL     *
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:55:40 EDT
From:         pkierstead@FAC.CABOT.NF.CA
Subject:      RE: New Smartdrv and Stacker

>This is maybe more of a comment than a question, but it seems to me
>that on my PC that run's Stacker (1.1), with all but the minimal
>startup files on the stacked partition, the new SmartDrv is not
>exactly an improvement. This is because, unlike the old SmartDrv, it
>must load *after* Stacker (confirmed by the comments from MS kindly
>downloaded by Jim Moore -- thanks Jim), and it's not recommended to
>cache the stacker (virtual) drive.

I turned off smartdrv for the real HD and on for the virtual drive. I have
been running this for several days with a fair load and no problems. I
*dont* have my boot/windows partition stacked. Before I did this, I had
severe performance problems with the stacked drives. The readme.wri file
mentions not to do this with speedstor, but I don't think it says anything
about stacker 1.x.

Paul Kierstead
pkierstead@fac.cabot.nf.ca
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:54:00 EDT
From:         Vince Scarafino <Scarafino@MULTICS-A.PMS.FORD.COM>
Subject:      Re: Windows 3.1 vs Windows NT
X-To:         Microsoft Windows Version 3 Forum
              <WIN3-L%UICVM.BITNET@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
              CYBER.WIDENER.EDU"

 >Date:  6 April 1992 19:50 edt
 >From:  Scott.R.Barnett at CYBER.WIDENER.EDU
 >Subject:  Windows 3.1 vs Windows NT

 >Does  anyone out there know what extra Windows NT is going to be able to do?
 >I know you will need at least a 386sx with, I believe, 4 or 8meg of RAM, but
 >other than that will there  be any advantages to using NT instead of 3.1 to
 the
 >average user on a single machine and not a network?
 >
 ......
 >Scott R. Barnett                             |
 ......

NT will utilize separate address spaces for each of its processes,
providing a higher level of robustness.  It will be harder to crash, and
could thus be a better development environment than 3.1.  NT will also
provide symmetric multiprocessor support, which would make a difference
if you have more than one processor in your PC and like to run lots of
resource intensive programs at the same time.  For most people running
typical applications, though, the advantages will be minimal.

Windows NT supports a more powerful 32-bit API, but Microsoft plans to
provide support for this new API in future releases of MS-DOS Windows.
(See earlier mail I sent for more information on this.)

Vince
From: edwong@csa.bu.edu (Edward Wong)
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Subject: smartdrv
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:36:50 GMT
Reply-To: edwong@csa.bu.edu
Organization: Boston University

Has anyone tested the smartdrv 4.0?  Is it any better than pc-cache or
ncache?
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:44:00 EDT
From:         "Jerry L.M. Phillips - Academic Computer Center"
              <JIMI@EVMSVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      WINUP5.ZIP

        Does anyone know where I can locate a file called WINUP5.ZIP?
        It supposedly contains some updates that we can use. Thank you.

        Jerry
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 10:46:00 EST
From:         Art Ripley <CART@OBERLIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Noone.zip

noone.zip is a Star Trek bmp.

Art
cart@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 09:37:30 -0700
From:         STRASHEA@ZENO.MSC.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: [dhosfor@ATL.CALSTATE.EDU: Win 3.1 upgrade question]

I think that a lot of hardware that goes out is shipped preloaded without disks
of any kind.  In some cases, without manuals.  In one particular case with
IBM's package we received, there was simply a license agreement sheet for
one or two of the pieces of software, I believe it was with the older
HDC Express stuff (anyone remember this useless software)?

I completely agree that NO package should be without disks and manuals,
ESPECIALLY windows.  Microsoft may have some kind of agreement with these
places that its "ok" to distribute this way, but it sure doesn't make an
ounce of sense.