HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh)
Subject: Re: The Myth of Muslim 'Fundamentalism'.
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 17:12:39 GMT

(Siddiqui Zafar) writes:

>Similarly, the edifice of Islam has its own superstructure in the form of
>complete and comprehensive guidance for social, political, economic,
>moral, spiritual and all other aspects of human life. This guidance is simply 
>and clearly shown in all minute and meticulous details in the Holy Quran and 
>the Sunnah (traditions) of the Prophet.

And therein lies the root of the problem.  No other religion lays down
guidelines that affect every aspect of a person's existence.  Or at any
rate such guidelines are not obeyed by the practitioner's of any other
religion.  Which is why a Muslim letting his political and national
allegiances be determined by his relgion and his religious leaders comes
as a shock to Hindus and Christians.  Nobody has any problem with Islam
determining a person's spiritual life, but when it also determines his
material life it grates against the sensibilites of non-muslims.

In particular a corollary to political guidelines is that political
control should be in the hands of muslims so that those guidelines
can be enforced.  This as you can imagine can cause untold misery
particularly in places with significant numbers of non-muslims.

And unfortunately a dialogue with non-muslims on this is impossible
since like the seven blind men of Hindusthan muslims tend to focus
on the five pillars that you mentioned earlier as the essence of your 
faith.  Whereas non-muslims focus on the non-spiritual adjuncts of 
your faith and fret about that.  So what needs to be sorted out first 
is the topic of discussion.

In short, nobody has any problems with someone practising the five
pillars.  The problem arises when muslims say that they need their
own nation where can they enforce every one of the Prophet's edicts.

Sanjoy Ghosh
From: garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: re:Khalistan
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:31:59 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

A reply to a message written by: aksood@mobius01.math.uwaterloo.ca 
                                 (Anoop Sood)
 
>Let's see, the INDIAN people have been paying for the infrastructure 
>in place in Punjab for such a long time, so why should they expect 
>any recompensation. MUFT KA MAAL HAI!!!!
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  <-- Do some research next
                                               time!!
 
  Nothing is for free?!?!? The Sikh Nation provides India with
26% of the Gross National Product, the book that I got this figure
from doesn't specifically mention if this is only for Punjab because
there are 6 million Sikhs outside of Punjab and 80%+ are business
oriented - either way not bad for 2% of the population!  This reminds
me of a talk I had with a politician, he mentioned that most of the 
western gov't know that Khalistan would be economically viable but
until it becomes a reality they will just quietly support India for
the sake of $International trade$ - If you don't believe me why 
would England have signed that extradition treaty if India 
didn't bring up some contracts that were thought to be dead to 
purchase military aircraft (Just India dangling the carrot again).  
The infrastructure of Punjab was made and financed (hypothetically if 
India did finance a small part, it was probably already taken out by 
transfer payments - if not more) by the people of Punjab - so I doubt 
they will even give the gov't of India a dime NOW OR IN THE FUTURE!!
 
   
>It was not the Government that ordered the riots, that just seems to 
>be your paranoia.  If that was the case, why isn't there riots 
>against the 
 
  When do ordinary citizens have access to voting lists categorized 
by religion?  Why would Doordarshan a gov't run television station 
air "blood for blood" if it didn't want to instigate riots?  People 
witnessed Congress leaders leading the rioters!  The police were 
[told] not to interfere with the rioters!  If you still think the 
gov't wasn't involved all I can say is may God (or your many gods) 
help you, and with your mentality I see quite a future for you in 
Indian gov't politics, possibly even the next PM of India - you 
definately got the IQ!  -  As for those SMALL fraction of Sikhs
who are bribed by the Indian gov't, why don't you see the light,
lets face it you saw how the Hindus loved us in Nov 84, so
go with the MAJORITY ** FIGHT FOR KHALISTAN **.
 
>Punjab will still remain Punjab no matter what you call it!!!! 
 
  I couldn't agree with you more, Punjab will always remain Punjab, BUT
it will be `one of the states of Khalistan'!  :^)
 

Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: patel@unixg.ubc.ca (Ashwin Patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: India considers Ukrainian carrier.
Date: 20 Nov 1992 00:05:54 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

India considers Ukrainian aircraft carrier.

Indian defense minister S. Pawar has expressed an interest in buying an aircraftcarrier from Ukraine for tactical air defense, according to India's "Economic
Times".

The newspaper claims that, in the light of India's economic crisis, the
Government has had to squeeze defense spending.  Purchasing the ship, which is ddesigned for use in anti-submarine and anti-missile warfare, will therefore
eliminate the need to build a carrier.

Defense ministr officials have confirmed that, under the new arrangement with
the Ukrainian Government, India is to buy militar components, partl with hard
currency and partl on barter terms.  An agreement to formalise the arrangement wwill be signed at a later date.

India has two carriers, both bought from the Roal Navy.  The "INS VIKRANT" was
launched as the "HMS Hercules" and the "INS VIRAAT" was formerly the "HMS
Hermes".


Source: Flight International. Nov 4-10, 1992



ashwin

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: venugop@athena.cs.uga.edu (ABDUL PETER IYENGAR)
Subject: Re: Open Invitation to Deb Chatterjee
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:43:59 GMT

In article <1472@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
>Hello Mr/Doctor/Professor Deb Chatterjee, unfortunately I deleted
>(sorry for the blunder) the mail that you have sent to me few days
>ago. I vividly remember that you were accusing me of breaking India
>and you would take all necessary steps to deport me from US. I kept
>laughing for few days, and in that excitement I deleted your mail.
>Can you please send OR post that stuff again? You better
>post it on the net, so that our desis can have good time-pass.
>Also, may I request you to post to the net the personal mails that
>you sent to various people, threatening them with your fanatic
wordings. Deb, remember one thing, all the revolutionists through
>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>SN

        Pray tell me who or what is a revolutionist?
	bye
	API
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta)
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:41:45 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

|>place - "some nerve!"  Don't worry we still have to get our revenge
|>for "Blood for Blood" that was aired on the gov't run Doordarshan
|>TV during the Nov. 84 riots!  So maybe next time instead of coming
|>to your door with ladoos they will come with a gun.  :^)
|						^^^
|
|You sir it seems support terrorism.
|	And in your articles are quite anti-hindu. SCI is not a place
|for you to spread your propaganda, neither is it a place for terrorists.
|	It seems that you're trying to incite hatred against the indian
|government. You are using very basic techniques of propaganda. I commend
|you on your skills.
|	As it turns out you support terrorism. Your true nature is
|revealed. I think this was a strategical error. You should not have
|revealed this. But Your method of replying to a non-existant post was
|quite ingenous.
|
|	Where have you been trained, and who funded your training? Or are
|you self-trained?
|
|
|>
|>Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 


    Don't know about others, but I'm getting sick and tired of seeing the
    name of this hate mongering moron in the headers of ten consecutive 
    posts first thing in the morning!
    He has no clue what he is talking about other than ignorant terrorist
    gibberish.   He is not an Indian and he doesn't even know what is India! 
    Could you guys refrain from replying to this rabid fanatic.
    Because every time you do so you only give acceptance to the garbage
    he spews out in the net.  Deny him that privilege.

    -jit

disclaimer: opinions are mine only.

--
From: srp1089@hertz.njit.edu (Sesharao Patchipala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:53:56 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Hi ! there

I want the Fax number of U.S. Consulate at Madras and the code to send
fax. 

Thanks in advance.

bye
sesha
-----
From: cco.caltech.edu!vidya (Vidyasankar Sundaresan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: U.N Official apologises for publishing incorrect map of India
Date: 16 Nov 1992 04:45:53 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: roo.caltech.edu
Originator: vidya@roo

Distribution: world

Note the following post to m.n.s -

From: gnreddy@cbnewsf.att.com (G.Narotham Reddy)
Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
Subject: U.N Official apologises for publishing incorrect map of India
Source   : The Hindu, November 7, 1992
Country  : India

                          * * * * *

* U.N Official apologises for publishing incorrect map of India

United Nations: Oct 26 - A United Nations official has apologised for his
department's failure to properly reproduce India's map in one of its  
recent
publications. The publication in question is a report titled "Integrating
Development and Population Planning in India," brought about by the
U.N Department of Economic and Social Development in New York late in
July.
	As one Indian diplomat puts it, the report incorrectly depicted  
India's
international boundary in the region of the state of Jammu and Kashmir
as well as in the northeast. Both on its cover and on an inside page,
the report carried an incomplete map of India leaving out part of Jammu  
and
Kashmir in the north east. 
	The distortion caused an uproar in the Indian Parliament. At the  
U.N
headquarters in New York, the Indian delegate Mr.T.P.Srinivasan took up  
the
matter with the Under Secretary General Mr.Ji Chaozhu, who is head of the
department which published the report. Mr.Srinivasan pointed out that
standard descriptive map, which is normally used by the U.N in its  
official
publication, should be the basis in any depiction of India's international
boundary in U.N. publications.
	Mr.Ji wrote back apologising for this error. 
According to correspondence made available to UNI by UN officials, it said
he had taken appropriate corrective actions.

                                  * E N D *
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: Newsgroup monopolized by riffraff?
Keywords: None
Date: 21 Nov 92 05:30:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Nov21.053039.9515
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <1ejrlrINNdfb@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ravi@cs.wpi.edu writes:
>
>	you flatter us "honorable gentleman" while concealed behind your
>	apparent modesty! here's a simple equation that even ivy league
>	school kids should be able to understand:

I wonder why you supposed the posting which denounced puerile inanities
was pointed at you. Which is interesting since your posting suggests
otherwise.

Since you chose to step forward and accept the mantle, we are just
denouncing posts which have no purpose other than denigrating others
and being a nuisance in general. There is no issue with one's academic
lineage. We are just concerned with the 'motives' of some 'honorable
gentlemen', which are so painfully malnutritous!

Prabhakar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Interested
Subject: Re: The Solution to Infiltration
Reply-To: addamax!watson@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:28:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.140013.8701@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>  
indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM () writes:
> Friends, 
>    This is the final posting on this topic. The Cong(I) commitee etc.
	Years ago, Lt. Gen Vas suggested two steps necessary to approach
this problem. First, to enforce better policing of the borders through
either increased border patrols or physical barriers like fencing, and
second, a system of ID cards at the national level. So far, no attempt
seems to have been made on either front. imho, these must be coupled
with some form of disincentive to illegal immigration, else we must expect 
this problem not only to continue but to grow.

Narasimha
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: samir@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Samir Patel)
Subject: BEWARE OF Peoples Travel, Houston, TX 77079
Keywords: stolen tickets !!
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 13:36:41 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Peoples Travel , Houston, Tx 77079 Sounds fishy! BEWARE guys!

 Hi Peace-loving netters,

  Please try to avoid Peoples Travel, 11221, Katy freeway, Suite 120,
  Houston, Texas 77079 (713)-467-5292. Or atleast be very cautious when
  dealing with him. Please confirm the ticket issued by him with the airline
  and the issuing agent (The ticket issued by him might say Woodlake Travel
  Service, Houston, TX....Who are in fact not aware of the ticket niether
  the serial number of the ticket!). Verify the "document number","stock
  ticket number" and agent code with issuing agent.

  That's what have been experienced by one of my friends. So beware.

  thanks,
  -Samir


 P.S.> If u have more info about this travel agent pls email it to :
       samir@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
       samir@ed.ecn.purdue.edu

Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:37936 soc.culture.tamil:3842
From: vidynath@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyarath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Indian civilization being oldest
Date: 22 Nov 1992 19:22:37 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

In article <Bxw0zx.92B@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>
>This is in response to a recent post of Selvakumar.
>[...]
>With regard to Vidyanath Rao's posts being unprofessional, ...

I have been busy with real work lately and missed the article(s) where I
was accused of being unprofessional. If you have them, please e-mail me
copies. (I don't like being talked about behind my back :-).
-- 
Vidhyanath Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vittal@Autodesk.COM (Vittalbabu Srinivasan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ** TR to India **
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:54:07 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

Fellow netters,

This is again for a friend of mine who is packing his bags to
India. He is a green card holder and will be going back to 
India after 8 years. Could you guys what all can he take to
India which won't be dutied ? He is not taking his car to India
but will be taking some music system, furniture, TV/VCR etc.

Thanx

Vittal

For: Shrirang Moghe (415/331-1041)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: shoba@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Ms. Shoba Thamma)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: desi anagrams :-)
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:56:21 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

A.Pavan (pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu) wrote:
: anagrams of desi and other names ...
: 
: Vishwanath Pratap Singh = Ah VP's wrath - pigs in Thana
: 
: Devi Lal		= Live lad
: 
: NT Rama Rao	 	= Rat on a ram
: 
: Menaka Gandhi		= Aha ! King and me
: 
: Jyoti Basu		= Joy is buta
: 
: Amitabh Bachchan	= Baba can hatch him
: 
: Bal Thackeray		= Bharat Lackey
: 



: Khushwant singh		= Hug'n kiss'n what !


Good job! Keep it up!

Happy Thanksgiving!

Shoba
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko)
Subject: Re: Books and the Indian-American experience
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:02:48 GMT


Of all sad words of pen or keyboard
The saddest are these:
'She followed up her own post on a bboard'
(Uncurl that lip, please) :-)


Email suggestions and commments from other people (I quote):
----------

You have to check out Rushdie's "Imaginary Homelands" for his biting 
criticisms of British (esp. Thatcherite) attitudes.Liked a piece on that strange
but telling Indian custom of touching a book and then bringing the fingers
to one's eyes and mouth (done after the feet have touched the book...)
Salman starts off by recounting that to indicate his love for books and
writing...

Anita Desai's "Baumgartner's Bombay" is about  a German Jew
in Bombay.  A somewhat mirror image of immigrant experiences in this country.

Hanif Kureishi's books capture the Indian/Pakistani immigrant experience in
England, but in a teen/sex-and-drug-drowned way. a glimpse nevertheless...

Another book that I'd recommend (but which I see few people talk about)
is Adam Zameenbad's "Cyrus Cyrus" - even more of a roller-coaster than
"The S. Verses"! 

----------

I forgot Hanif K, but I haven't read any of the others. I posted a review
of The Buddha of Suburbia, by Hanif Kureishi, a few months ago. He
writes well, but his characters are too caught up in their own sexuality, 
which seems to define their behaviour almost more than their ethnicity. i.e
one gets the feeling that life for a British-born lower-middle-class
homo/bisexual person would not be all that different. Don't get me wrong, 
it's great that someone writes about homosexual and bisexual people from 
the subcontinent, but it seems odd that more people have not written about 
regular heterosexual recent immigrants, given that homosexuals constitute
a smallish fragment of the population (5-15%, depending on whose statistics
you believe).

To answer the other followups: I don't know of any books in English 
that are about interstate/caste/religion marriages. There might be
some in Indian languages, anyone know?
And I completely agree with the Bharathi-Mukherjee comments, and
would be happy to do some BM-bashing of my own, except that she's
not here to defend herself :-)

Susan.




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand)
Subject: Re: ????
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:25:52 GMT

>sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki) writes:

>anywayS you don't fit to be here if you don't know who i am.

	U continue to astonish me with your quality of English.

J Anand.

-- 
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When you don't know what to do, walk fast and look worried.
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From: jasjit@cc.gatech.edu (Jasjit Singh)
Subject: *** JOB OPENING : FACULTY POSITION AT UNIV OF DELHI(CS) ******
Reply-To: jasjit@cc.gatech.edu (Jasjit Singh)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:45:27 GMT

What follows is a note that I got about a job opening at Univ of Delhi.
I have no further details about the job, so please do not direct any
inquiries to me.

-Jasjit

------------------------------------------------------------

Applications are invited for the post of Professor in the Department
of Computer Science , University of Delhi, India 110007.

The Department is looking for Active researchers with sufficient teaching
experiences in any of the following areas:
Theoritical Computer Science, Operating Systems, Computer Networks,
Fifth Generation Systems, Parallel Computations, Expert Systems, Distributed
Data Processing.


The Department currently offers PG/UG courses in Computer Science including
Phd Programme.

The University offers a rich variety of HW and SW Platforms including 
T1 micro explorer, Nexus 3500, Magnum II, Several 68020/30 based machine 
with plenty of Software packages such as TI & Quintas Prolog, Macyma,
Rulemaster, ISML, PHIGS, GKS, and a host of compilers unix Unix and DOS
Platforms.

Plans are also under way to upgrade the computing facilities in a big wayby
installing several super minis, Graphic workstations and Compute Servers.

The Pay scale for this post is Rs 4500 -150 -5700 -200 -7300 plus
allowance as admissible under the rules in the University. The application
should be addressed to:

	The Registrar
	University of Delhi
	Delhi
	India -110007 

latest by Nov 30, 1992.




 

---------------------------------------------------------------
Jasjit Singh              jasjit@cc.gatech.edu
From: naik@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Raghunandan Naik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Doki & his posts
Keywords: Sissy who posted to doki's SYS/ADMIN !
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:26:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


=>I tried all the rots possible but no use, and also i WANT to joke more
=>on this group. some stupid jobless morAn once again sent a complaint
=>to my sys. admin that my postings were offensive. however he mailed to
=>me saying that my posts were fine (and not offensive).
=>
=>WHOEVER DID THIS I ONLY WISH THAT YOU GET POTENT!!!
=>		(coz if you were potent enuff you would have sent a
=>		 copy to me)
=>suresh
=>ps: yeah i am pissed off!!! and when i get pissed off there are going
=>    to be more junk posts from me.

**************************************************************************

Directed to The Person who sent mail to sdoki's SYS/ADMIN!

Hey Buddy,

Go get a job and learn to deal with posts like doki's.  If you can't
handle them, then DON'T READ THEM. Stop comlaining and learn to deal 
with life !!

Next time, instead of sending mail to someone's sys-admin, spend that
time seeing a psychiatrist in order to improve your self esteem.


Jeeeez


-raghu

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From: rajain@bones.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: NO SUCH MAILS PLEASE-- REF--RESPECT FOR FEMALES
Date: 21 Nov 92 20:50:57 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Nov20.193612.6487@gw.wmich.edu>, x92nath@gw.wmich.edu writes:
|> HI READER
|> 
|> THIS IS FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING OBSCENE WRITING IN THE NETWORK
|> THAT IF THEY HAVE ANY PERSONAL FIGHT THEY CAN CONTAVT WITH EACH OTHER
|> ON EMAIL OR GET EACH OTHER PHONE NUMBER AND FIGHT.  IT IS BEING READ BY 

	Bravo! woof! woof!!!!!

	Go tell 'em TIGER :-)

|> MANY PEOPLE AND PERSONAL FIGHTS LIKE IT OCCURED IN RESPECT FOR FEMALES
|> SHOULD BE STRICTLY AVOIDED.  NOBODY IS HERE TO READ YOUR BULLSIT EMAILS
				^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Exactly!!! Aviod reading bullshit emails (??)......USE "n" !!!!
	
|> 
|> SHAMBHU.

	rAjAt
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