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From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Hindu-Muslim Clashes in Bombay/Delhi -
Date: 28 Jan 1993 05:28:17 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
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>What is the word for `the call to the faithful' ?
>
>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
>
>
Azan

Love
Arindam

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: lahiri@pion.lanl.gov (Amitabha Lahiri  505-667-6825)
Subject: Re: What is and isn't Hindutva (Was Re: Dr. Jayaraman's article)
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:58:13 GMT

In article <C184o0.DJ8@ucunix.san.uc.edu> bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj  
Bhatnagar) writes:
> A description of the ideological State as sought by Islam is quoted 
> here from the book  "Rights of Non-Muslims in an Islamic State" written
> by Dr. Samuel Shahid.
> 
> 
> " " Concept of Islamic State
(Concept deleted)
> Therefore, a Muslim is not just one who worships in a specific way,
> but also one who must strive to adopt the above political structure
> for the society he/she lives in. 

I guess I am missing something here. The description of the Islamic 
state is just that. The description did not include a statement of
the sort "And therefore, it is the divine duty of all muslims to
make their state an Islamic one". So how does one arrive at the
conclusion above? It is up to an individual to decide whether he/she
agrees with the concept of a religious/authoritarian state, personally
I don't, in case you are curious. India is not a religious
state, at least not yet. So why is the red cloth of Islamic states
being waved in front of Indian Hindus?

Amitabha 
--
Amitabha Lahiri, e-mail:lahiri@pion.lanl.gov
Disclaimer: No one else is responsible for what I say, and vice versa.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mohans@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mohan.sekhar)
Subject: Re: Why Muslin persecution is rempant these days?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:34:33 GMT

{
  Nothing to be alarmed about Zafar. Just another day of usual Islam bashing
on sci. At least we know why there are so many problems in India. Subscribers to
this newsgroups as well as contributers are educated and among the intellectual
group (I am not trying to sound "classish"). Many if not most of them are in
western countries and are fairly sophisticated. They would prbably consider 
themselves liberal and tolerant of other faiths and philosophies. If some of arestill  capable of
expressing such hatred, think of what the average uneducated Indian will do.
Tear down a mosque? Go in the streets and kill a few Muslims. People such as
Mohan are a disgrace to the Indian community in the US. 

Rafat Sadiq
}

Rafat, 

Just because I said "MUSLIMS BREED FASTER THAN ANY OTHER
RELIGION" makes you say that "I am a disgrace to Indian community", so be it.

There are enough facts on the rising muslim population to back this ...

I would like to make a few other comments:
In one of your earlier reply's you have made a ludicrous statement: 
"Islam respects other religions ..."

This is the same religion which still has a price for Salman Rushdie's head ...

The religion which has give us Aurangazeb, Gazni Mohammed, Saddam Hussains,
Khomeini, Ghaddaffi is nothing but an disgrace to modern day mankind.

I am not even sure as to why Islam is classified as a religion, In fact it
should be classified as "Social Evil to Mankind".

Right from the time of Babar to Saddam Hussain all this religion has done is
promote voilence.  A religion where son kills father, brother kills brother, 
man goes after other man's wife, people belonging to one sect killing people
from other sects, etc, etc.. 
This is a religion which preaches nothing but hatred ...

Other than looting and plundering India like thugs over the last few centuries
the MUSLIMS in INDIA have been nothing less than a burden to the country's
economy and growth.  The Muslims in Indian other than BREEDING are doing nothing
noteworthy to the country's cause. They are at the bottom of the list in
every statistic: education, poverty, unemployment .. Now they have resorted to
vandalism for a living ... And soon they will be paying for it ...
.... ITS BEEN LONG OVER DUE

Mohan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sarwate@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Dilip V. Sarwate)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: TAX TREATY FOR F-1's
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:31:56 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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Keywords: any idea?

pjoseph@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Paul Joseph) writes:
>I talked to someone at the IRS - there is a particular article ( I fail
>to remember which number ) which states that an F-1 student ( applicable
>from Jan 1991 ) who does not have to pay taxes for the first two 
>years of his stay in the US ( Indian students ) . I confirmed this by phone
>twice with the same person cause someone else said that if the student
>stayed on for more than two years he would have to pay back the tax refunds.
>However the lady I talked to maintained her statement that for the first
>two years we were exempt from taxes.
>I could look up my previous years tax papers and try looking for he article 
>number. Hope what she told me was right - she was pretty confident.

Why do people believe that the U. S. Government and the Government of India are
so altruistic that ALL income taxes are forgiven on the income earned by an
F-1 student visa holder?  If income tax is not paid to the U. S. Government, I
would cynically assume that income tax must be paid to the Government of India.
Any OTHER interpretation of the tax treaty is too far-fetched.

So, which is cheaper: paying income tax on $10,000 to the U.S. Government or
paying income tax on Rs.2,86,000 to the Government of India?  Would wealth tax
be due in the latter case?  And if one has not paid any income tax in the U.S.,
could one just not file a tax return in India?  After all, how will the
Government of India find out that no tax was paid on that $10,000 of income?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Recipes for your entertainment (a new mailing list)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 15:21:29 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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>In article <susanc.727742036@keckiris>, susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko) writes:
>> lists are chic. Since net.women are invariably trendy, I 
>> propose the formation of a new mailing list, to be called
>> 
>> South Asian Male-Baiting And Rabblerousing, Inc.
>> 
>> aka. SAMBAR.
>> 
>> This association will be primarily for women, of course.

>> The group will have two minor aims, to be pursued concurrently
>> with the SAMBAR:
>> Irritating Desi Lame-brained Individuals (IDLI)
>> Debunking Objectionable SAM Assertions (DOSA)


	With this offensive, the matron has confirmed our CHAAT theory,
	[ Clucking Hens Are ATtacking ]. Our mole confirms that this comes
	after they successfully tested their SAM missile [Snub All Men] on
	an anti-SAMOSAite, Mr. Neal Chaudhary, from Caltech. Another
	organization called PAKODA has been launched by a free-lance Jhansi-
	ki-Rani, Preeti Anissa Gholap (PAG) [PAKODA = Preeti's Active Keeda
	Observatory against Dighe Associates],supposedly a secret organization
	charged with overseeing SAWNET's continued safety and security and
	which currently has its nazar trained keenly on the undercover 
	activities of the "insect people" of SAMOSA [Preeti is supposed to
	be calling her reports against the Dighe Associates PAGODA; figure
	that]

	To cownter this double trouble [ someone had said, "Women are trouble"]
	SAMOSA has launched a 2-pronged educational program in an effort to
	train more SAMOSAs and convincing them about how women are just no
	good. The 2 units launched as PATRIOTs [PleAse TRain the IdIOTs] 
	are:

	PAW-BHAJI : Please Ask Why Behanjis Are Jealousy Incarnate.

	PAKWAN  : Please Ask Why Women Are Nincompoops

		editor's note :  * Pakwan = Sweets in Hindi.

	The umbrella organization for these 2 sub-units is the

	PAW-WADA : Please_Ask_Why_Women_Are_Dumb  Association

	Dr. Balaji Kannan has been appointed Field Marshall of the Male
	BONDAS [ Bindaas ON De AttackS ] who will take on the Female BONDAS,
	naturally led agressively by the ferocious Matrons, Uma and Susan.

	All to Quale in anticipation.

	MD, SAMOSA.

















Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ssd@eos.ncsu.edu (Srikant Sridevan)
Subject: Re: fabricated posts ("sneaky posts" a la Vijay Fafat)
Originator: ssd@vayu.psrc.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: ssd@apollo.psrc.ncsu.edu (Srikant Sridevan)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:55:34 GMT


In article <2464@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca>, rangana@cs.uwindsor.ca
(RANGANATHAN A            ) writes:

> In article <1993Jan21.043410.13790@ncsu.edu> ssd@eos.ncsu.edu (Srikant
> Sridevan) writes:

> You certainly managed to get a response from one of the strong, silent types.
>  ;-). Amitabha maybe you should join us feminazis ;-).
> 

Now, does that mean that basically what feminazis want to do, is elicit
responses
from the strong,silent types? Then why did you types "quit" S.C.I.Come
into my parlour ..... ;-)
If that's *all* it takes to make a feminazi happy .... ;-)



> >Srikant
> 
> Arathi.
> 
> 
> -- 
> See simplicity in the complicated
> 	- Lao Tzu
> 

Srikant
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:37:24 EST
From: Deepak Srivastava <DXS23@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Attack on Journalists pre-planned: council
 <C19Lp9.IAw@ucunix.san.uc.edu>

A news item in TOI Jan-9, 93.

Attack on Journalists Pre-Planned: Council

The justice R. S. Sarkaria committee set up by the Press Council
of India has said the attack on media persons by Kar Sevaks on Dec. 6
was pre-planned. It was part of a strategy to prevent them taking
pictures of the demolition of the Babri Masjid or reporting the
event with graphic details.

The seven member committee, which released its voluminous report
(200 pages) this morning, has indicted the law enforcing agencies
for being the mute spectators of the assault. The assault amounted
to cognizable offence. "It was the duty of police to intervene and
prevent the assault", the report said.

The committee has recommended that the government bring to book
those guilty of assaulting the media persons as well as those
responsible for lapses in the maintenance of law and order. The
committee has asked the government to compensate the the losses
suffered by the journalists. It has asked newspaper organizations
to interact with the government for covering the journalists under
group insurance.

The report observed that risks to journalists were increasing and
it advised them not to bank on the government alone, but device
ways to counter the growing menace of attacks. "While it is clear
their profession is becoming more and more hazardous, there can be
no absolute security as such," the committee observed.

The committee has found that atleast three journalists were attacked
on Dec. 5, which was an indication of the massive assault to follow
the next day. The committee discovered that some mediamen who disguised
themselves as Kar Sevaks escaped the attack.

The committee interviewed 81 Journalists -- 23 in Faizabad, 32 in Lucknow
and 26 in Delhi. Two organizations, the Delhi-based Asia News International
and the New York based Committee to Protect Journalists, sent written
statements. The committee visited Lucknow and Faizabad to collect evidence.


reproduced without permission.

Deepak

PS: In any totalitarian regime - communists, fascists, dictatorship,
    or emergency etc - the press or the freedom of information is
    the first casualty.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:33:38 -0500 
From: "James J. White" <jw3u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Is "Statesman" newspaper?

I've found an interesting reference in a 1969 publication titled
"Statesman" or "The Statesman."  Can anyone tell me if this is a
newspaper from India, from what city, and if there are copies or
microfilm in the U.S.?  Many thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: A. Satish Pai <Pai-Satish@CS.Yale.Edu>
Subject: F-2 visa query
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven CT 06520, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:19:48 GMT


Hello!

A friend of mine on an F-1 visa intends to have his wife come over to the US 
on an F-2 visa around May. She will most likely be applying for it at the 
Madras consulate.

He would like to know if there are any particular problems / hassles with
F-2 applications these days. Specific information about the Madras consulate
would be helpful. Assuming all the documentation is in order, can the visa
be refused for any reason? Any hints, tips, etc. are welcome. 

Please mail your answers to me. If there is sufficient interest I can 
summarize the responses on the net. 

Thanks!

-Satish

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From: osm8502@zeus.tamu.edu (Omezee-SaMe Still)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Email address wanted
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:22:00 GMT
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I needed the email address of EE in Wayne State University. 
I am looking for Tezeeb.
Please send it to me at omesina@tamu.edu
From: sramacha@skat.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: fabricated posts ("sneaky posts" a la
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:56:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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	fafat@sal-sun62.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:

>	Will she roast me? won't she roast me?... :)
>

	Samosas are fried, aren't they ?
From: baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Indian Presidents who were Muslim ..
Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:37:01 -0500
Organization: Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
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In article <1k4qdcINNm42@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
>|> 
>|>         Fakruddin Ali Ahmed was a 'Muslim President' [died while in office].
>|>         Who was the other? I seem to have forgotten.
>
>Dr. Zakir Hussain, 3rd President.

Perhaps one should add for completeness that President Hussain also 
died in office. He was President from 1967 to 1969, and F. A. Ahmed 
was President from 1974 to 1977.  

[Forgot to add this in my earlier follow-up. Sorry.]

 -- Satyen

-- 
   "History is not high mystery for high priestly historians"
                       John Charmley, Lecturer in History,
                      University of East Anglia at Norwich
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nlp54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: A Passage from the Rig Veda
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:58:20 GMT

In article <48984@ogicse.ogi.edu> krashok@mse.ogi.edu (Ashok Krishnamurthy) writes:
>
>               A Passage from the Rig veda
>                ---------------------------
>        Then there was neither being nor non-being:
>        There was no air, nor firmament beyond it.
>        Was there a stirring ? Where ? Beneath what cover ?
>        Was there a great abyss of unplumbed water ?
>        There was no death nor anything immortal;
>        Nor any sign dividing day from night.
>        That One thing, in the stillness, breathed quiescent;
>        No second thing existed whatsoever.
>        Darkness was hidden in a deeper darkness;
>        This All was as a sea without dimensions;
>        The void still held unformed what was potential,
>        Until the power of Warmth produced the sole One...
>        Who truly knows, and who can here declare it ?
>        Whence it was born, and how this world was fashioned ?
>        The gods came later than the earth's creation:
>        Who knows then out of what the world has issued ?
>        Whatever he made the world or did not make it,
>        He knows whence this creation came, he only
>        Who in the highest heavens guards and watches;
>        He knows indeed, but then, perhaps, he knows not!
>
>        Probably the above lines and the last line of the
>        is a spontaneous process rather than a self-willed
>        one.
********************************************************************************
	COSMIC EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	ORIGIN OF LIFE IS SO CLEARLY DESCRIBED IN THE ABOVE VERSE.
	If you can read and understand the original (Sanskrit) verse of it,
	you can enjoy the meaning of it.  The intution of those Vedic Rishis was
	so great that the theory of origin of life proposed by the modern day
	astronomers/biologists/chemists/molecular biologists, is nothing but
	the same what is said above.  The English translation does not clearly
	disperse the greatest scientific thought of Rigveda.  One has to know
	Sanskrit and read the original to suck the honey.
	Thank you very much Mr. Krishnamurthy.  Great job.

	SAVA LOKA MAYEE VEDA !  I will post the Sanskrit original with meanings
	soon.

	PARANADI LAKSHMI NARASIMHAM
	RIGVEDIC

	DISCLAIMER: OPINIONS EXPRESSED ABOVE ARE NOT THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bhatnagr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Re: (misleading) Indian Express Advertisement re: RJB
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:17:37 GMT

In article <C19HJx.DoF@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> arun@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Arun Achyuthan) writes:

Some more meaningless nitpickinginginginginginginginginginginginginging. . . 


>"Jayaraman has written an article for the Frontline.
> I will send you a copy of the TeX version soon. He'd
> like to get into the IADG- and I have no hesitation recommending
> him. Yes he is Marxist, but he is articulate, and very
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                        ^^^^^^^^
> cogent (he would say that that is what
          ##############################
> makes him cogent and articulate).
  ###############################
> Also his media connections are tremendous, and his
> political connections are also very very wide."

>
>My English should be very bad if I infer from this passage that
>"Jayaraman is cogent *because* he is a Marxist".
>

No, your English is fine, you just need to go ahead and read the sentence in 
the parentheses and find its meaning. I have underlined this
sentence above with '#'s.

>Arun Achyuthan
>

---raj


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: siddiqui@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: 60 Min./Dowry Story
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:51:39 GMT

Just finished watching a 60 minutes (CBS) story on dowry related deaths
in India.  Well! to put it bluntly, I felt disgusted and thought that
perhaps our preoccupation with religious, regional, linguistic and
political conflicts is to be blamed for not even talking about this
social evil on the newsgroup.  Wouldn't it be wiser if we discuss this
outrageous practice and educate people on this subject instead of
undermining each others religions.

Mahatma Gandhi once said that,"any man who makes dowry a condition
for marriage discredits his education and his country and dishonours
womanhood.  Young man who soil their fingers with such ill-gotten
greed should be excommunicated from society".  Although many Indians
concede that dowry is an awful custom because it can lead to 
impoverishment, indignity and in too many cases to violence, anguish,
grief and murder it still continues to flourish unchecked. Why? In my
opinion, primarily because it has been an integral component of our
social and religious heritage for centuries.  Bigger dowry means
family pride and higher social position.  This tradition is unlikely
to change in the near future because a large number of people want
to preserve it or can envision no way out of it.  But we the educated
and perhaps civilized bunch should do something about it.  May be refuse 
to accept and give dowry?  How about a full page advert in Indian Express
or Hindustan Times deploring this practice?

Sincerely,
Afzal A. Siddiqui
Siddiqui@uwovax.uwo.ca












Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@oin.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: Connecting U.S telephones in India
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:35:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.193634.26179@msc.cornell.edu> anil@msc.cornell.edu (Anilkumar Pannikkat) writes:
>
>Hi Netters
>
>	Sometime ago, there were some postings about connecting U.S.
>made telephones to Indian telephone lines. (4 wires to 2 wires). I
>inadvertently deleted my copy of the posting. Could someone who has
>saved it please email it to me as soon as possible. I am leaving for
>India on Sunday.

This 4 wire thing is a hoax really. A US telephone line requires just
two conductors like all well behaved telephone lines, and very much like
our good old desi phone lines.
If you care to open the telephone jack, you will find that only two
wires are connected, and the other two, if any, are redundant. 
There are, however, 4 lines that go into the phone. The jack does the
job of connecting one incoming line to two wires that go to the phone.

So just carry the jack back with you to India, if you don't want to try
the various permuations, which, in any case, will do your phone no harm.

Can anyone explain the reason behind having 4 wires going into the
telephones, from basically 2 conductor telephone lines ?

Ruchir.

-- 
Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 731-4123 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: an5584@anon.penet.fi (Salman Rushdie)
Subject: *****26th Jan. 1993*******
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:59:52 GMT

> 
> Oh my dear Indiano:
> 
> A great service from finland has helped me to hide my where about.
> 
> You are my people and I am yours. I am Rushdie and Satan is my nick name.
> 
> Well, This bloody country needs to be taught a lesson. All mullahs and
> 
> the govt. need to be taught a lesson. 
> 
> I dislike your consitution hence i ran away from india although you
> 
> bloody indians still ban my book. What a shame on you stupids.
> 
> Now few mullahs are trying to diobey your (not mine) republic day.
> 
> Ask them to create a new country in india and create a new constitution 
> 
> which satisfy them so they do not give call to boycott 26th Jan. and 
> 
> ofcourse when they will not be there you will lift ban from my book.
> 
> I going to publish another book called Satanic Verses Part II.
> 
> This book will cary sexual relationship between Benazir and Rajiv. 
> 
> Homosexuallity between Ram and Mohommad. And lot of 'mirch-masall'.
> 
> I hope this book will not be banned in the free world and India too.
> 
> What a good fun all of you would have.
> 
> Enjoy the stuff.
> 
> Love and Peace-
> 
> Rushdie.
> 
> 

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