From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: I'm God.
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:49:49 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.misc
Organization: Apple

In article <70498@hydra.gatech.EDU>, rpitts@emperor.gatech.edu (Richard
Pitts) wrote:
> |So you frankly believe people were not that keen to listen and hear
> |on gossip and fantastic events 2000 years ago? C'mon, you know quite
> |well that even if we didn't have newspapers, the cultures had all kinds
> |of other channels they used to distribute information. Not to speak
> 
> Agreed.  And we have Christianity spread thoughout the world.  It spread 
> from Jerusalem out rather quickly.  Within a few days of Pentecost there
> were 3,000 (Acts 2:41) and then 5,000 (Acts 4:4) believers within 
> Jerusalem.  

So isnt' it amazing that we have thig huge mass movement, and both
Jews and Romans are not keen to record it. Think about it.
 
> |about all the historical recordings people wrote. It's a known problem
> |that for a man that was such a special being, there's hardly anything
> |recorded.
> 
> Oh.  What is the volume of books we call the Bible that predicts and
> confirms this one man Jesus the Christ as he was to come, was here,
> and will come again?  I understand that's not enough.  

We have great many other religious books, like the book of Mormon,
that accurately (heh) predicts events. What's the difference, I could
myself write a book that accurately predicts what will happen 3000
years from now. The key is to make things really diffuse, and never,
never mention true names! Don't mention United States,  mention something
like the eagle. Don't mention the bold eagle, eagle is diffuse enough
to point at any possible empire 3000 years from now.

> |Well, Osiris rose from the dead, Mitras died weekly in the Mitras cult
> Where are their bodies today?   Jesus never died again - he is alive.

And where is Jesus' body? Don't you see the similarities? According
to your standards Mitras is far more mightier than Jesus, because 
he died during each Mitras ritual...

 
>> |is an early religious idea. Actually it's even a requirement so the
> |worshipped entity will get followers.
> 
> A afterlife is promised for all who follow Jesus.  Jesus rose and proved
> there was life beyond the grave and death had no more power over him nor
> will it have power over those who believe, for we will overcome death
> at the resurrection.

And he's not the only God-figure that achieved this. I still maintain
that it was a requirement for any aspiring mystery cult to have a God
that was capable of escaping death. If you didn't have one, you didn't
get any followers due to lack of miracle support.

> Who said there was an earthly father even know his name?  All of the
> information and understanding I have says that Mary conceived - if
> God can created mankind, then surely he can cause a woman to conceive,
> without a man.

Let me know where in the Bible it is stated that the ancestory line
is ascended from Mary, if you could do that I will shut up. If you
can't then you should shut up. A simple deal, or what.

> They had them figured out.  Joseph was not the father.  Mary was the
> mother.  The legal line came through Joseph, as Matthew presents it.
> Matthew does not say Joseph was Jesus' father.  Luke gives the
> male ancestorial line and so the blood line of Jesus through Mary to 
> David -  Jesus was the son of each of those in Luke's geneology.  Both 
> of them mention Joseph.

I'm not interested in speculation, I want the word of the Bible,
thanks.

Cheers,
Kent
PS: I still think it's weird that a skeptic has to point out to a
believer to use the Bible :-).
	Faith is often the boast of the man who is too lazy to	investigate. -F.M.
Knowles
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