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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Subject: Re: Cerebus 112-113?
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:47:07 GMT

In article <rdippold.714248997@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>What's in Cerebus 112-113, which aren't going to be reprinted?

In 112-113 (it's a double issue), Cerebus just sort of wanders back to
the hotel where he used to be Most Holy, gets suicidally depressed,
doesn't kill himself, finds a gold coin, talks to some guys in a bar,
and leaves.  From which we move on to Jaka's Story.  Pretty slow issue,
lots of cool artwork (of course), nothing cosmic takes place.

>Also, for the keeper of the appearances list, he's on the cover of
>Images of Omaha 2, and in What's New? With Phil and Dixie (one-panel
>appearance in a strip on lycanthropy...  guess what a were-aardvark
>looks like?)

Cerebanthropy!  <grin>
-- 
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From: roper@chinet.chi.il.us (Bill Roper)
Subject: Re: THE Spider-man artist
Keywords: McFarlane,Dikto
 
 
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:52:51 GMT

Actually, my favorite Spidey artist was Gil Kane.  Great layouts,
and when they got him an inker to soften the edges, it was gorgeous.
-- 
Bill Roper, roper@chinet in Chicago (try via nucsrl, mcdchg, or killer)
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From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Subject: Re: Spinoffs of Mature Readers Titles in DC
Reply-To: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 12:09:25 GMT


In a previous article, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) says:

>Hey, I want Delirium #1!!!  But I thought only *viable* titles would get spun 
>off...}->  I mean, I like Doom Patrol so therefore it must be on the verge of 
>cancellation just like Captain Atom, Blue Devil, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, 
>Hawk & Dove and just about every non JL* title I like(d) at DC!

Actually, Delirium #1 would be a logical book to have multiple covers
with different colors...

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===============Joel Tscherne:  ac985@cleveland.freenet.edu===============
From: ARTIGAS@EVALUN11.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Bad Universes
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:35:21 GMT
Organization: Valencia University (Universitat de Valencia) SPAIN


First: The Marvel New Universe
The last: The Impact Line from DC

Why people don't want new lines from DC or MARVEL?

It isn't possible the success of this kind of comics-lines?

What do you think?  There are any reasons?

                                   Alvaro Pons
                                   artigas@evalun11

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The Best superhero in the world:
                   SUPERLOPEZ, the spanish heroY
From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spinoffs of Mature Readers Titles in DC
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:39:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor

In <1992Aug18.120925.11954@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne) writes:

>Actually, Delirium #1 would be a logical book to have multiple covers
>with different colors...

Delirium #1 would be a logical book to have multiple orderings of the pages.

Confused Customer: "Excuse me, but this doesn't make any sense?"
Comic Shop Owner:  "What makes you think that it should make sense? Trout!"

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  There were Giants in the |  And dollars of contract put into his wallet:
     Stick in those days   |  We would not play in that man's company"  Hrbek V
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Popularity in Comics (was Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 01:23:51 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:

> ...I think that once these adolescent fanboy/speculators get a bit
> older, they will realize that those comics are crap and turn to other,
> better comics (unless, of course, the Image creators learn how to write
> and draw better).  

You have a lot more faith in the fanboys than I do.  We've had a decent
selection of alternative books available for about a decade now, but
even well-established books like _Cerebus_ and _Love And Rockets_ sell
a twentieth as many copies as _The Uncanny X-Men_.  If people are going
to grow into buying alternative books I wish they'd get started going it
so publishers like Fantagraphics don't have to keep selling porn to stay
in business.

> I think anything which brings people into comics shops or lets them know
> that comics are still being made is good. 

Ehhhhhhhh . . . no.  Say someone notices all the media hype over Image
and Rob Liefeld on the 501 ad and decides to go into their neighborhood
comic shop.  What'll they find?  Lots of Marvel/DC/Image junk.  Very little
alternative material, if any at all.  They pick up (say) _Youngblood_, or
_Spawn_.  Please don't tell me that more than a tiny handful of people would
have the *slightest* interest in exploring comics as a medium any farther
if their first exposure -- the hugely popular, best-known, best-selling
book -- was _Youngblood_ or _Spawn_.

> I don't think it will last long.

Windsor -- the cult of mediocrity has lasted for *decades*.  What's going
to *change* it?  Surely not the Image explosion. 

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Subject: Re: New Titans #91
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:56:48 GMT

 Not only does Donna have a new outfit, but she has completely lost
any _taste_ in choosing her godly accouterments....at least Chaos is making
a rather nice fashion statement..though his winged helm has GOT to GO :)

 Wildebeest appears now in his somewhat buff form...like we didnt see that
coming.  (interesting how in the latest supperman Ecclipso crossover
Wildebeest suddenly pops up in the JLA headquarters with Fire scratching
his head (he was a baby when the titans were eclipsed))  *sigh*

	Oh and Dont forget the return of Phantasm....oh yipee...we really
needed to kill off a 'dead end character' like Raven to produce this dweeb.
(sigh maybe Donna will seperate Phantasm back into its componenet parts 
seeing as Phantasm now claims to have been created by her)

	P.S. since we have already seen Donna's post Total chaos starfield
bodysuit she must loose this megalomania 50' tall thing pretty soon and
settle herself down...perhaps Joe's soul returns to inform her she looks
like Trigon after a sex change.

	At least Terra dagon Kilowatt and Redwing seem to have resisted the
oh my we are supposed to be friends so lefts get all palzy walzy syndrome.
Meanwhile I think the pg 6 guy is actually Battalion who just happens to have
a ponytail and a NightWing shield.

	Finally, judging from the Troia's baby vs Lord Chaos confusion,
I am again wondering if the leader isnt Donna's child and Chaos some random
delusion she spawned while giving birth. note how now Chaos waited several
years to kill his mother in his timeline now as opposed to aging himself
upon birth and killing her then.  [they NEED Destiny for simple plot continuity]

-- 
  "If the best things in life are free, then my current price is
   $37k with a 10% downpayment."

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From: carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: How Not To Stay Miserable (re: Cerebus)
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:46:40 PST

I've been doing my gol-darndest to be miserable over a four-hundred plus dollar
car repair, a birthday that I'd rather not be having and the fact that
circumstances have conspired to keep me away from SDCC this year.

That's why it pissed me off so much when Cerebus M/D 10 sent me into paroxysms
of gut-wrenching laughter in front of my (up until then) sympathetic fiancee.

Forget the chess game, or the important revelations... the selling point for
the issue was what has to be Sim's funniest Lord Julius scene ever. "Are you
bigger than a bread box?" indeed.

I give up. It's just impossible to be miserable as long as Sim is still doing
Cerebus every month.

I wonder if 300 issues will be enough.

-----
Douglass Barre - carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
"Oh! So you are bigger than a bread box!" -- Lord Julius, _Cerebus_ 160.
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: DC's plans
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:23:52 GMT

In <k79mqr#.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>I sat in on the DC panel.  About half an hour of it was spent showing a
>slideshow of DC's titles for next year.  With very little time spent on
>each slide!  Yes, DC really is doubling the number of titles it's
>offering, and turning every viable title it carries into a constellation
>of four or five titles.  

Hmmm, so Sandman becomes:

Sandman 
Death           Who dies this month?
Desire          "See this, little boy? It's an X-Force #1. You want it!"
Delirium        Issue #1 will be a Flaming Carrot cross-over.
Destruction     And you thought Lobo was nasty.

and Doom Patrol becomes:

Crazy Jane        Every issue is a cross-over with another of her personalities
Dorothy           and her imaginary friends
Danny the Street  Is the world ready for a travelogue comic? 

Of course, they'll just spin off a separate series for each of the demons
that John Constantine has ever encountered. Oooo boy!
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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  Let him depart; his waivers will be cleared,
  There were Giants in the |  And dollars of contract put into his wallet:
     Stick in those days   |  We would not play in that man's company"  Hrbek V
From: MJV@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Image does a boo-boo
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:37:47 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
Summary: Why bother? Image 0 will be such utter waste
Keywords: image, coupons, copy
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

In article <Bsyn31.36p@ais.org>, saab@ais.org (Micheal Marks) said:
[deleted stuff used to be here]
>From 2 days of sales, I have had no less than 4 different people
>point out/brag about the fact that the actual coupon is (supposedly)
>easy to make a quality counterfeit and that they, of course, would try
>it.  I am no expert in printing but to me it doesn't look very hard
>to get the right stock blue paper and the proper machine.

  Having worked awhile with both computer typesetting and copiers, I
noticed how easy it might be to fake the Image coupon right away.
However, they did put a couple of hooks in there. There are some very
small point size text that will definitely show artifacts from being
copied. The blue paper will also hinder the quality of the copy since
you'll have to put the copier at a lighter setting so it won't pick up
the blue (worse yet will be if they use a coupon that is red.) There
are also a few letters that might fill in when copied. I think the
'e' and the 'a' in the Image logo are the best candidates.
   The real way to fake the copouns would be to redo it on a Mac or such
and then output at somewhere around 1200dpi on an imagesetter. They go
run off about a few hundred copies at a printers (photocopies wouldn't
be good enough.) The trouble with this is getting the couple of non standard
fonts they use. Oh, the greek 'Symbol' font text at the bottom says: "
Shadowhawk by Jim Valentino"
   Though maybe the Image people won't take a good look at the coupons
so it would all be moot. Who knows, who cares?

   Of course I don't give a flying leap about Image #0 so after thinking
about this idea for all of 2 seconds, I sat down to read the Usagi
Color Special. Darn good stuff!  (and no, I didn't buy Shadowhawk!)

Cheers,
Marshall
--mjv@brownvm.brown.edu
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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: The Care and Feeding of Comics
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:45:29 GMT

In article <77858@ut-emx.uucp> cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
>In article <13990@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>
>This brings up an interesting net.question:
>
>Who else has a complete run (or just a load of issues) of a particular title
>that will never be worth a damn thing (at least from a monetary standpoint),
>but that you've kept anyway?
>


Marvels _Godzilla_ is the "only" comic I have the complete run of: 12
whole issues I believe!
BTW, does anyone remember _Nth_Man? Strange series.



>

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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: The Care and Feeding of Comics
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:29:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.040403.28897@u.washington.edu> phaedrus@milton.u.washington.edu (Phaedrus) writes:

>     This really has me curious; what exactly is it about comic book protection
>that makes it such a forbidden topic, even among those who do it?

Possibly it's because the primary reason for using a bag is to preserve the
comic's resale value.  Therefore, if you use one, you seem to be  interested
in money rather than reading.  If you'd rather read it than sell it, a bag 
just gets in the way. 

I often get free plastic bags when buying comics, but throw them away...
-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
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From: gouvea@zariski.harvard.edu (Fernando Gouvea)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Marvel Masterworks volumes
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:19:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug21.131946.14979
Distribution: world
Organization: Dept. of Math/CS, Colby College

I need to have a list of which comics are included in each of the (twenty
so far?) Marvel Masterworks volumes. Does any one out there have this
information handy, or know where I can get it?

Thanks for any help. 

(E-mail is fine for replies; I'll summarize to the net if there is any
demand for it.)

==========================================================
Fernando Q. Gouvea	fqgouvea@colby.edu
Colby College
Dept. of Math/CS
Waterville, ME 04901
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From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD])
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: A Step in the Right Direction (MOSAIC)
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:37:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

In <Bt1osv.Joz@askinc.ask.COM> robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) writes:

>BTW, if you've read any of this week's new DC issues, you'll see an ad
>for the (to me) long-awaited "Green Lantern: Ganthet's Tale" which 
>was teased, weirdly, in Larry Niven's "Playgrounds of the Mind".  Does
>anyone have a release date for this series, which is being done
>by Niven and John Byrne?  (Byrne is appearing at Comics & Comix in

It's a one-shot, not a series, and Westfield listed it on their order
form for comics coming out in October.


-- 
Gary Lewandowski             gary@cs.wisc.edu              Theory Slug of Doom
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From: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS - obscurities
Reply-To: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Organization: Don's Merry Horde of Topologists
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:46:14 GMT

	Goat was included in the High Society phone book, but not in the
biweekly reprints. ElfGuest wasn't in the phone book, but it was in the
biweekly reprint.

-Jeff
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"Fly Heisenberg Airlines! We may not know where we are, but we're making
real good time." - _Synners_ by Pat Cadigan
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From: u9044140@cs.uow.edu.au (Scot Joseph Wilson)
Subject: 2000AD  RULES
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:53:45 GMT

Ok dudes, what's ya fave character and series in 2000AD?

just want to see what others like.

I like Rogue Trooper [Friday], ABC crew and FINNFINNFINNFINN.
	[and Revere and Dredd and........]


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   	Paul Davis, [RENEGADE]	u9035281@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au
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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Ambush Bug/TICK/Etc.
Keywords: Interesting, more info
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:50:58 GMT

In <1992Aug13.225733.20615@cco.caltech.edu> jwf@kastor.ccsf.caltech.edu (Jon Flower) writes:
>	Tick:
>		Issues 1-11 exist.
>I believe the Chroma-Tick's are colorized reprints of early tick issues,
>yes?  What other significant Tick or Ambush Bug stories exist?

Well, there's the Tick's Giant Circus of the Mighty, but those two
issues aren't really "stories", but rather biographies of Tick characters.
They are amusing.  There's also the Tick Omnibus, but I don't remember
whether there was anything added for it, and I know that several of the
individual books had the neato little comix (like The Red Eye).

>Also, can anyone recommend other good books in a similar (funny) vein?

Fish Police.  Definitely.  Even though it is now defunct, it is very
fun.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
   The city calls to me...it cries to me of its need.  And as I approach it,
     antennae twitching in anticipation, I see the city for what it is....
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From: chem8w@rosie.uh.edu (Councilman, David A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Recent Releases
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:18:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug19.135105.9755@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes...
>Garbage that Iwasted my money on this week
>
>Darkhold #1 - 0/4 for Marve on Rise of the Midnight Sons. Exceptionaly
>bad art as well.

I disagree, though not strongly.  If nothing else, I've found the basic
plots of Morbius and Darkhold to be compelling; however, all of the stories
in Marvel's new Horror line, with the possible exception of Terror, Inc.,
just seem to be MISSING something...The characters seem SHALLOW (to be 
expected in first issues like Morbius & Darkhold, but Dan Ketch really
should be somewhat like a real person by now, and what they did to
John Blaze is the truly horrifying aspect of the line..)  Still, I have
high hopes..

Darkhold artist is RICHARD CASE of Doom Patrol "fame"... I thought it was
GREAT!!

>Anyway, justfelt the urge to share this with you. Contrary mind opinions
>welcome.

=)   
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: LSH: New version number wanted 
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:49:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.183218.4705@news.nd.edu> mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>	3.21 Lightning Lad retcon (issue 45)

Um, I don't think this was much of a retcon, at least compared to such things
as Validus's origin, Laurel Kent/Manhunter, and a host of minor retcons stuck
through the Levitz era....
--
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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: Re: Thoughts on the CON
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:24:21 GMT

In article <rdippold.714084798@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

>Doug Murray, in the opening comments, said that it was a stupid topic
>with an obvious answer - artists NEED writers.  He defended this all
>the way through, with some lovely non-sequiters and very bad
>analogies.  The best statement was where he claimed that nobody could
>think both logically (for writing) and visually (for artists), at
>which point the audience generally laughed at/booed at him.

>Todd McFarlane said that he doesn't need a writer.  He says he knows
>the writing in spawn isn't as good as it could be, but that he
>didn't want the aggravation of working with someone else for a long
>period of time.  Went on and on about how simple his life was, and
>seemed rather slow.  He claims that his sales are proof that writers
>don't need artists.

I remember stepping into this panel as McFarlane was just beginning his 
spiel about how he's just a simple guy, and might not be as well read as his 
literary companions on the panel (Gerber, Murray, etc.) but that he thought 
that his stories would appeal to "the common man" blah, blah, blah. . . It 
was his snide attitude towards the other professional writers on the panel 
that instantly made me take a dislike to him. I think at that point Gerber 
and the rest of the panelists were looking at him rather stunned. I sort of 
said to myself "McFarlane is an asshole." 
	But I thought about it some more, and kept thinking about it until I 
could stand it no longer. I found a dealer in the exhibit hall who sold me 
Spawn #1 for $1. And you know what? It's not actually that bad. The art is 
great, let it not be said that McFarlane isn't a top notch superhero artist. 
The story, well, it's not bad, but it's derivative of Miller's Dark Knight. 
	My Verdict: McFarlane is an ass, but Spawn is sort of okay. This 
gives me a dilemma. Do I want to spend the time and effort to find Spawn 2&
3, when I think the author is an egotistical asshole, and have a reason to 
personally dislike him? Or do I stand on principal and begin a boycott 
against the title. (P.S. I am not in favor of what the people at Malibu and 
Image have done, I think McFarlane's little message in Spawn #1 is really 
pretentious and shows just what kind of assholes Olbrich and the guys at 
Malibu really are, and I think Leifield is as bad a writer as they come.)

Unsubstantiated Con rumor #1: Rob Liefield doesn't even do his own art 
anymore. He has a studio of guys drawing exactly like him (shudder.) Source: 
Mike Dringenberg.


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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