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From: us048503@mmm.serc.3m.com (Art H. Hurst)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Re: Dance opportunities wanted in Denver and other areas of Colorado
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:05:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: 3M Company

In article <l9qijbINNncr@news.bbn.com> mfactor@bbn.com (Mara Factor) writes:
>I'll be on vacation in Colorado from Sept. 19 to Sept. 28 (flying into
>and out of Denver).  Where are dances that I should know about while I
>am in the area?  Is there a dance listing or phone numer I should know
>about while I'm there?  I'll have a car so the dance locations do not
	I can only help with Scandinavian -- call Harold Ryan
	303/936-1063. (Boulder)

-- 
Art Hurst                                         Email: ahhurst@mmm.com
3M Company                                        Phone: (805)388-4170
Digital Storage Products Division                 FAX:   (805)388-4804
Camarillo CA 93012
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: spiegel@song.bellcore.com (Murray Spiegel)
Subject: Re: remedial waltz (was Re: waltz: how fast is danceable?)
Organization: Morristown Research and Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 19:15:17 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.224241.4642@ima.isc.com>, trb@ima.isc.com (Andrew Tannenbaum) writes:

|> A balkan dancer dances for show also.  Maybe you want to remain
|> faithful to authentic regional style and so forth.  You are a member
|> of a line of dancers, but the feel is a personal thing, for the most
|> part, the physical feel comes from within.  (I know, sometimes a jerk
|> will try to rip your pinky finger off, that's not what I mean by feel.)

I can take issue with this.  I recognize the dichotomy you're trying
to set up between dance for show and dance for feel, but I don't think 
all Balkan dancers dance only for show.   There are many times I get
into dancing, even, or especially, just to let off a lot of steam.
Do you think all of the people dancing at Hora Keff last week were
dancing just for show?  No - they were having a great time and could'a
cared less whether someone was watching them or whether they were
retaining a long-standing tradition of the exact angle of Moshiko's 
dance steps.   I'm sure you know what I mean.
From: photo@ccmail.orst.edu (Peter Freeman's Research Group)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: Dancing in Albuquerque
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:30:49 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Department, Oregon State University

Hello from Corvallis, OR.  I have a friend in Eugene who will be in 
Albuquerque (sp?) next week.  A while back there was talk of a good dance 
group there, and I told him I would track down the time and place of dancing 
for him.  He does international dance.  Could the Albuquerque group, or 
anyone else who knows, give me the particulars on this as soon as possible.  
Thanks.  I tried to post this yesterday with no luck.  I have further news 
about OSU International dance, but I'll see if this makes it first.  Susie
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: takoosma@utkvx3.utk.edu (Toby Koosman)
Subject: Re: remedial waltz (was Re: waltz: how fast is danceable?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:21:00 GMT

The usual clash of dance cultures is evident in this discussion.  Although
there are occasional waltz workshops at contra dance weekends, most contra
dancers learn to waltz by getting on the floor and being pulled or pushed
around by people who know how to do it--just like they learned to dance
contras--rather than by taking lessons from a teacher.  The waltz that is
normally done is step-to-the-side on 1-2-3, turn on 4-5-6 (using the step-
together-step triplet that real waltz snobs eschew).  People who have been
taught it may do a continuous turning waltz instead, and perhaps this is the
standard at contra dances in some places, as someone referred to the contra
dance waltz as being Scandinavian style.  I never related the side movement to
the reviled box-step, I prefer to think it's just an adaptation that makes it
easier to learn on the fly.  In any event I'm betting that Rich and his awkward
waltz partner are both trying to do more or less the same dance.

That said, I appreciate Rich's problem.  There seems to be a compatibility
factor in couple dances (including the contra swing) that is not strictly
related to the skill of each dancer.  I happen to live with someone with whom
I couldn't waltz well for the longest time, and both of us believed the other
was a poor waltz partner, not having this problem with other people.  I swear
we used to have little spats about whose fault it was.  Eventually we adapted
to one another's styles somehow and now we can even hambo together, although
we haven't quite mastered the (not Scandanavian) polka.  (What do you call it,
German polka?  I'm talking about the two-step-with-hop dance that winds you 
after a couple of laps around the room.)

So my advice to Rich is to waltz with her a whole lot more.  (Isn't that what 
you wanted to hear?)

Toby Koosman
University of Tennessee   Knoxville, Tennessee  USA
Internet: koosman@utkvx.utk.edu     Bitnet: koosman@utkvx
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: New square classes (singles, couples) in NE Ohio
Followup-To: rec.folk-dancing
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:40:26 GMT

[note cross-posting and Followup-To]

New square classes are starting in Hubbard, Ohio (near I-80 and the PA
border).  Classes will run through April, 1993, one day per week.

Jug's Station Singles new dancer classes start Sept 13 (sundays) 4-6:30pm.

Rainbow Squares (couples) classes start Sept 14 (mondays) 7:30-10pm.

Caller for both classes is Frank Gatrell of Cortland, OH.  Price per lesson
is $3.00.  All lessons are held at Jug's Station, 763 N. Main (SR7/US62), 
Hubbard, OH.  This is upstairs from Jugenheimers, right beside the railroad
tracks.  From I-80 go south on US62 about two miles or so.

--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug
Family Values: the sexist, racist, homophobic, classist, "Christian" values
of the 50's.
From: pollansw@cse.fau.edu (Warren Pollans)
Newsgroups: rec.folk-dancing
Subject: dance flyer/announcement
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:10:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

We're trying to start a new contradance series here (Boca Raton,
FL).  Our first dance is October 3rd.  My question has to do with
stuff to put on the flyer.  We will have some experienced dancers
coming from Miami (50 miles away).  A good portion of our "crowd"
my be first timers.

What should go on the flyer besides:

Wear comfortable clothes and comfortable low-heeled shoes.
All dances taught.
Not necessary to come with a partner.
Dance to live old-time music.
American folk dance - contras, squares and waltzes.
Obvious stuff: time, date, place, cost, directions/map

Thanks,

Warren

(pollansw@cse.fau.edu)
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:22020 rec.bicycles.soc:56
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.soc
From: cath@dyrham.inmos.co.uk (Catherine Barnaby)
Subject: Re: Gas Taxes R Us
Organization: INMOS architecture group
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 14:21:51 BST

Hmm. it's a sad world of bikes and British Rail....

We thought we'd take our tandem on a train. I phoned BR.
We have to book, and we can only take it on non-inter-city
services. This was double-checked by the supervisor of the 
information desk.

A couple of weeks later, we thought we'd take it on a
non-inter-city service. I phoned to check times. This time
I was told that I could ONLY take it on inter-city services.
Again the supervisor upheld this view. 

So where does this leave me? It leaves me thinking that I'll
take a wheel and a set of pedals off, then it won't be a tandem
any more (will it??) and I can take it on any train, without
booking and without paying my 3 pounds. After all, the only
consistent information I got from BR was that there was 
apparently no limit on the size or weight of luggage...
unless of course it was a bicycle!

(For the UK-ites, there was a review/article in New Cyclist about
taking bike-like objects on a train... was it a "protest" sort
of mission??)

Catherine
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin)
Subject: Re: FAQ for new subgroups?
Organization: One Newsgroup Bad, Six Newsgroups Good
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:12:39 GMT

In article <2A9DC591.14106@orion.oac.uci.edu> iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias) writes:
>
>Before I go thru the work of splitting the FAQ up into separate FAQs for
>each new subgroup in rec.bicycles, I'd like to make sure that's what you
>people want.  Please indicate whether you want 1) the FAQ split up, or 2)
>left as it is and posted to rec.bicycles.misc.

The FAQ should definitely get chopped up -- why should someone reading
the .soc group need to wade through detailed instructions on how to
connect HyperCampy chains with PowerBar-end shifters?  Or the folks
looking for .rides information page through instructions on how to
download the spike bike archives?

Best of all, the FAQ will fit into only one message, at least for a while.
Better yet, they could be maintained by separate people instead of all
the ever-increasing load falling on one person...
-- 
Ed Ravin- elr@trintex.uucp| I like to think (and the sooner the better!)
  elr%trintex@uunet.uu.net| Of a cybernetic meadow where mammals and computers
           +1-914-993-4737| Live together in mutually programming harmony
my opinions, nobody else's| Like pure water touching clear sky.  -R. Brautigan
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Subject: Re: Gas Taxes R Us
Reply-To: ovr@vipunen.hut.fi (Otto-Ville Ronkainen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:52:29 GMT

>Make a stand, return your driving licence today !

Why not burn it? Then again, mine is plastic, so it might not burn so
easily. (B-)

-- 
Ott-Vill R___________________        Nyrxfnagreva_xngh wn Xhavaxnna_xngh
ovr@vipunen.hut.fi                           ba erunovyvgbvgnin!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: WIFE doesn't wear helmet...
From: Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 2 Sep 1992 23:15:01 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

>#2 Re wife not maintaining the bike: almost all respondents suggested that I
>do it. The best response was: "Would you trust her doing the maintanance
>anyway? Don't you want her to be {\it safe\/}?" OK guys (and some gals), you
>convinced me; from now on (as in the past, and just like with her car etc.)
>I'll do the tires and the chains etc. (Question to the ladies: does {\it any
>of you} ever maintain your own bike?

(Why is there TeX (or TeX) in a netnews post?)

In 20 years of bike shop work, I have worked with quite a few women
who were quite capable mechanics. Two stand out. One, a co-owner,
was one of the fastest flat fixers I knew, and wrote a 'care and feeding
of your bike' manual that we distributed with each new bike. The second
was one mechanic in a 6 mechanic shop I managed. She was the
only mechanic I know who went to mechanic school. Although not the fastest
of workers (this was her first season), she did think about the problems
confronting her, and had a very low return rate.

I don't know the origonal poster (can't even find the origonal post)
but I'd bet any one of the half dozen women mechanics I've worked with
can adjust derailuers and bearings and true wheels and... a heck of a
lot better than he can. Clearly, he hangs with the wrong crowd.
From: lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: ADVISE sought: WIFE doesn't wear helmet, etc. - how to make her do it?
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:56:12 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University


	
	I can understand where your wife is coming from.  Last week, I 
	sold a perfectly good helmet at a loss just because I thought
	it looked dorky (BUT I'm planning to buy a new, nicer looking
	one just as soon as I can get to the bike shop).  So maybe
	emphasizing safety isn't your best strategy.  Here are my
	suggestions:
	   
	   1) Try to convince her that women with helmets look really
	      cool (or sporty, or smart, or hip or whatever appeals 
	      to her).

	   2) Offer to buy her a nice looking matching outfit, with
	      the helmet and the outfit and her bike all color coordinated.

	   3) Take her on a ride that looks really scary.

	   4) Fake an accident.

	Some of these suggestions may seem sneaky, but one of them may
	just work.

	(Should this thread be in rec.bicyles.soc? or .misc?)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rkh@realsoon.WPI.EDU (R Kurt Heinzmann)
Subject: Re: What to rename "clipless" pedals?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:16:51 GMT

In article <MJOHNSTO.92Aug26153459@jenny.shearson.com> mjohnsto@jenny.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) writes:
>In article <9208261655.AA10213@hplomg.hpl.hp.com> BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM writes:
>
>   Joel Plutchak writes:
>
>   > Perhaps we should stick to the subject of bicycling, eh?
>   >
>   > Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
>		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   Perhaps this hasn't a lot to do with anything, either bicycles or for that
>   matter net news.  I suppose titles and job description give more weight to
>   your opinions in the eyes of some readers.  I am not impressed.  You might
>   try letting your words rest on their own merit.
>
>
>Geez, Jobst, what'd you eat for breakfast? Give the guy a break.
>
>MJ
>--
>Michael R. Johnston/System Administrator                mjohnsto@shearson.com  
>  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=
>

Jobst always gets irritated about this, and posts complaints regularly.  It
doesn't distract me that much; I guess I just filter it out.  But really,
isn't it old-fashioned to include your title in your name?

Kurt Heinzmann/Part-time cyclist, no .sig
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: robishaw@orion.lrmsc.loral.com (Gary Robishaw x5960)
Subject: Re: top five innovations
Keywords: flickstand
Organization: Loral Rolm Mil-Spec Computers
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:00:15 GMT

In article <Dqg6PB1w163w@gcarter> gcarter!gcarter (George Carter) writes:
>
>4. Lean the bike against something with a flickstand.
>
5. Lean the bike against something with a small rubber band holding the
   front brake.

Lo weight, lo tech, and it works.

Gary
-- 
Gary Robishaw          "He has a constitutional right to be not guilty."
robishaw@uranus.lrmsc.loral.com       Steven Barrucci after John Gotti's
408/432-5960                          sentencing.
Usnail -- 3151 Zanker Rd. San Jose, Ca. 95134-1928
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert)
Subject: Re: ADVISE sought: WIFE doesn't wear helmet, etc. - how to make her do
Reply-To: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:55:17 GMT

In <BtwEJ6.GAC@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:

>  Respect their right to make their own decisions.  I know people who smoke,
>people who drink and people are dangerous drivers.  I do not hound them and
>pester them because they would no longer be my friends.  I am not their
>guardian angle and respect their right to harm themselves any way they want to.
>Explain your position once and if you can't stand not controling their lives
>then _get_lost_.

We're talking about this guy's wife.  I would be upset if my wife took
unnecessary risks, and I have a lot at stake here.  I've also had to
look after riders who crashed without helmets, and my health insurance
pays for their medical care.  I have no problem with the idea that
people can do what they want with their lives, but cyclists who ride
without helmets are not cut off from their families and society, and
taking irresponsible risks is unfair to the rest of us.

-- 
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca
From: caseb@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hyperglide chain replacement: suggestions wanted
Date: 26 Aug 92 09:30:17 EST

 
In article <1684C13D4D.UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU> UCPL081@UNLVM.UNL.EDU writes:
>>I don't
>>like HG chains because you can't put them back together easily.  One must
>>use the special replacement pin and then break off the end.  This, I've been
>>told, is a tricky job even for mechanics so home-do-it-yourselfer's are advised
>>not to try it.  

I have removed my HG chain by pushing the pin out just enough that I can
pull the chain apart, but the pin remains stuck in the outer plate of the
chain.  To re-install the chain I just push the old pin back in.  I havn't 
had any problems with the connecting pin in my chain.

Brian Case
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: dangold1@iastate.edu (Daniel M Goldman)
Subject: Recumbent wanted
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:18:16 GMT

OK guys, you've convinced me.  I'm 6'1" and got strong legs 
(i.e. I don't need to stand up on the pedals, and I don't expect
visibility to be a problem), so I'd like to try out one of these
recumbents I've been reading about for ages.  Is there anyone in
or near Ames, Iowa who has one I can try out?  Private individuals
or dealer, it doesn't matter to me.  I just want to get on one of
these things to see for myself.  An HPV event would be great if I
could get to one, but in the mean time, I'd like to have a test 
ride on a local rig if someone was willing to provide one.
Thanks -DmG  515 233 6931
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MISC:  Re: top five innovations
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:51:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplomg.9209041651.AA17867

Tom Kunich writes:

> Shimano is a commercial company and they are only worth their next
> hit component or are only as worthless as their next flop. I
> get good components, with superior performance, at lower prices
> than from any other manufacturer in the world. As long as that
> is happening I can afford to like Shimano. When they start
> building complete crap I'll switch, but I'm not planning on it.

I think this paragraph, typical of your argumentation, sums up what
makes your postings sound like they came from a political ad.  No
moderation.  "Only worthless", "flop", "superior performance",
"complete crap" are the thread.  Things are either all black or all
white.  Other's words are taken out of context, interpreted and taken
to such extremes that they fall far from their author's intent.

There is no doubt that Shimano is a commercial company and that it
has commercial success.  That BioPace was a ploy is what is under
discussion and I believe that enough data have been assembled to
demonstrate that.  If nothing else, its demise in spite of an
aggressive advertising campaign proves that it is without merit.

It is not without precedent that successful companies have made use
of questionable methods to enhance their already substantial profits
for lack of knowing when enough is too much.  Greed is an appropriate
term.  However, Tom, your line of arguing seems like so much contrived
opposition designed to be contrary, often directed there where a
consensus otherwise exists.

I think that if you were to say briefly in concrete terms what it is
you propose about BioPace it would become apparent that in fact you
do not use it.  Nor do, with few exceptions, any other bicyclists when
polling the world use of sport bicycles let alone utility bicycles.
So what is it that you are trying to say other than to snip and snipe
at what others have put forth on this issue?

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: chapman@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Chapman)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:30:50 GMT
Subject: Trek 5x00 Frame Change For '93
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles


The  only  change  being  made to the Trek  5x00  frames  next  year is the
addition of an aluminum cover on the chainring  side of the bottom  bracket
to protect against shifting off the small ring etc.

Trek is planning to retrofit existing 5x00 frames.

-- LSC
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,marketplace
From: jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli)
Subject: Bell V1-Pro helmet, small/medium, $25
Followup-To: jciccare@mv.us.adobe.com
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:14:25 GMT

For sale, $25:

New "Bell V1-Pro" bicycle helmet, small/medium, white.
Compare at $49.95 in Performance catalog.

-- 
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jciccare@mv.us.adobe.com  Mountain View CA USA 94039-7900 |  ='\<,    ='\<,
uunet!adobe!jciccare      415/962-6677,  fax:415/903-0584 | (&)/(\)  (&)/(\)
=== "If you live within 7 miles of your job, why drive?" === BIKE TO WORK ==
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Truck bed racks
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:36:21 GMT
Organization: HP Design Technology Center, Santa Clara, CA

In article <Bt6LJE.t0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> crwg2707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (R. Wagner) writes:
>frankb@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>> [quest for truck bed rack]
>
>>Why not forget the rack and use motorcycle tie downs?  They are the 
>>cheapest solution.  There is nothing left in the bed when the bikes
>>aren't there.

  This is a great suggestion .. especially if you have a bed liner 
with ribbing that will hold the wheels stable.  I typically use two tie
downs for 2 bikes .. one on each outside handlebar with a bungie tying the
inside bars together. 

  I often wondered what the big deal was with the special, nifty, quick
release racks I saw in trucks.  Is there any advantage to 'em?

 -Jim
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Phil Wood titanium bottom bracket
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:45:58 GMT

Eric House writes:

> ...
> that they'd spent a lot of time looking at various Ti alloys trying to find
> something as stiff as the stainless steel they normally use, as the 6/4 most
> makers use for spindles is much too flexible in Phil's opinion.  (And he's
> not alone here, I understand.)  They found something, but aren't telling
> anyone what it is.  I handled both spindles, and there was considerable
> difference -- though not enough to pay $100 for.

Sounds like mystery metal.  Unless this isn't titanium the modulus will
be the same for all alloys of Titanium.  Or, this is to be a metal matrix
with ceramic, made in a sintering process.  This is about as far out an
idea as I can imagine because this stuff costs like NASA space stuff.  What
you save is about a mini sip from your water bottle or a couple dimes out
of your pocket.  All this for something you can't even see, feel or measure.
I guess that's high class when you have stuff others can't afford but no
one can see and therefore it's hard to talk about.  There is to me, obviously
no functional excuse for these so why do we need them?  I should add, that
Wooden hubs aren't light to begin with.  So why should I buy a heavy hub, pay
$100 dollars for an axle and end up with a hub that isn't even as light as
comes with an ordinary wheel.

jobst_brandt@hplabs.hp.com
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tailwind and the Andrew Hurrican
Date: 26 Aug 1992 22:14:56 GMT
Organization: Rice University

After you add for the wind, though, you'll need to subtract for the
resistance of the several inches of water you'll probably be riding
through.
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Why throw stones even if your own house isn't glass?  Do you really want to
wreck your friends' houses?  What if your enemy retaliates with a torch?
And are you sure you don't even have a glass window somewhere?