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From: adb@herboid.uucp (Anthony DeBoer)
Subject: Re: Cross certifications and card collecting (Was Re: Information about advanced deep diving course wanted
Organization: Linda's Dragon Memorial Society
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:35:18 GMT

Bill Mayne <mayne@ds1.scri.fsu.edu> writes:
>
>In <pk0vt6s@twilight.wpd.sgi.com> story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story) writes:
>>I'm not certain of the answer.  NAUI simply allows NSS/NACD
>>specialty cross-certifications -- the instructor has to use the caving
>>agency's outline and be a current instructor with that agency to issue
>>a NAUI specialty.
>
> ...
>If NAUI relies on the NSS or NACD to determine the qualification
>of instructors and course content what are they doing for their
>$15 or whatever the cross certification fee is? Why do people want
>cross certification at all, especially from an agency which doesn't
>even claim to do anything different? In other words it seems to me
>that certification from the caving agency which set the standards
>for the course is the real thing. PADI and NAUI are just selling
>cards without doing the work for the diving community.

My copy of the NAUI Standards says that the cave specialty course is to
conform to NSS/NACD _standards_.  This could be different than making it
match one of their actual course outlines.  This would imply, to my
reading, that the NAUI card is not necessarily a carbon copy of the other
agency's card.  NAUI specifies the topic areas that must be covered and a
minimum number of course hours, etc.  You could use knowledge and safety
standards from NSS/NACD without matching their certification levels
exactly.  (Note: I'm not speaking officially for NAUI on this and any
instructor who wants to teach this needs authorization from HQ anyway, so
they're the ones to ask.)

>I don't believe that NAUI or PADI cavern certification is a
>pre-requisite for any other certifications. But perhaps they count
>as one of your five for the bogus "Master Scuba Diver"? ...

It _can_ be used as a prerequisite to the Master Scuba Diver course.  You
need either your Level III or you can substitute Level II plus an advanced
specialty (cave, ice, deep, or wreck) plus two basic specialties, or you
can substitute "equivalent experience".  The Level III (Advanced) is
preferred.  You also need the Rescue course, need to have reached your
18th birthday, and have your own gear.  I don't know where you get the
figure of five specialties, unless that's how PADI works.
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From: teshima@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (A. Lani Teshima)
Subject: Re: Damage to Kauai???
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:30:18 GMT

For those who had made plans to come to Hawaii, and wanted to know how
Iniki has affected this place, you can call the Hawaii Visitors Bureau
at (808) 923-1811. I'm sure they have a toll free number, but I don't
have it listed here. You can probably call collect and they'll accept
your charges (considering their monstrous operating budget!) :)

Aloha--



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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: gregr@joyce.cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan)
Subject: IAND Qualifications
Reply-To: gregr@cs.su.oz.au (Greg Ryan)
Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:12:28 GMT

The one person who teaches IAND (International Association of Nitrox Divers)
courses in Australia has recently split his course, and subsequent
certification, into two parts:  Nitrox Diver and Technical Nitrox Diver.

Does anyone on the net know if this is now the practice of IAND in the USA?
What about ANDI?  Do they have similar levels of certification?

				Greg Ryan	gregr@cs.su.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: wolgamot@milton.u.washington.edu (Greg Wolgamot)
Subject: Re: Need Nikonos service info
Keywords: nikonos
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:03:04 GMT

As for Nikonos service, I was told by my dive instructor/shop owner that
my camera would have a better chance of leaking after being service than
before.  So, I haven't sent my Nikonos V in for the annual service ever,
which has been about 5 years.  It probably has 100 saltwater dives on it,
and has never leaked.
	I don't know if my policy of no service is good, but I do know that
a few years ago I was quoted a price of $76 plus postage to have all of the
internal O rings inspected and regreaseed.  For this price, I could afford
to have a camera flood and buy a new one every few years!

				-GreG
From: dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Flower Gardens Tragedy
Keywords: death
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:27:15 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard

In article <1992Sep4.204446.741@engage.pko.dec.com>, zipp@foosw6.enet.dec.com (Eric S. Zipp) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug31.193103.28963@bnr.ca>, mac@crchh570.BNR.CA (Michael Campbell) writes...
|> > 
|> >I read with some dismay today of a SCUBA fatality involving a
|> >diver at the Gulf of Mexico Flower Gardens Banks dive site. 
|> 
|> >If anyone on the net
|> >knows which boat was involved, and has any particulars on the 
|> >incident, I would appreciate it if they could post that to the 
|> >group. 
|> 
|> Michael (and others),
|> 
|> 	Besides the following, the only other information that has been made
|> available is that the diver was diving off the boat Miss Vicky (sp) according
|> to the Coast Guard, and according the the medical examiner in Galveston, the
|> cause of death was ruled CAISSONS DISEASE. The exact nature of his problem
|> which lead to his death has not been made public.

Well, unless there is something else called "Caisson's disease", this is
simply a case of death from decompression sickness, a.k.a. the bends. 

-- 
Dave Waller
YMCA Instructor
From: jstrom@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Johan Strombom)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:46:44 GMT
Subject: Re: mask strap
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.scuba

/ hpcc01:rec.scuba / keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen) /  7:09 pm  Sep  9, 1992 /
jstrom@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Johan Strombom) writes:

>>Yes, Jaques Mayol (famous record setting free diver) dives with special contact
>>lenses to avoid mask squeeze. They are custom manufactured by an optician
>>in Marseilles. They are very expensive US$ 1000.- + a pair.
>
>Wouldn't such lenses cause eyeball squeeze - the pressure difference would be
>more localized certainly, but at depth could cause a problem, couldn't it?
>
>Mike

Nope, the lens fits right on the cornea (like a regular contact lens) although
it is much larger. There are no airpockets between the lens and the cornea,
hence no pressure difference (liquids beeing uncompressible). It's like diving
without anything covering your face, except that focal range of your eye lens
is now adjusted for the refraction of water.(It's an extreme case of hyperopia)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: spindler@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu
Subject: Re: How about the Oceanic Datamax?
Reply-To: spindler@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu
Organization: RSMAS
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 14:10:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.010243.21390@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, 
mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne) writes:
>
>I've had the problem with an Oceanic gauge - the one with an automatic
>bottom timer which is presently not working since I'd have to send it
>back to the factory and pay about $45 just to change the batteries. :-(
>I believe this is called the DataMax II.
>
>I'm unfortunately without the services of my computer temporarily so this
>has become an important issue for me. No shops in Tallahassee are able to
>test depth gauges for accuracy or to calibrate them. At least it seems to
>be consistent. This is scary to me too. Any suggestions? The questionable
>Oceanic gauge is about 3 years old and hence out of warrantee.

I dive with the DataMax II, and I'm sure that Oceanic gives lifetime warranties
on their equipment.  This is particularly important to me since I've had to
trade in *three* previous editions of the DataMax before I got one that worked
as advertised.

One question on the depth inaccuracy:  is it the main depth needle or the
max-depth indicator that is in error?  I've had problems with the max-depth
indicator creeping up during a dive (followed by a quick trade-in).  BTW, I've
had at least two of my DataMax gauges calibrated by the school, and both have
been right on the nose.  Sounds like you may have a dud there, and you are
probably entitled to a free replacement.  

I'm rather disturbed by the $45 charge to replace the batteries, though.  Has
anybody else encountered this?  Since Oceanic closed their Florida distribution
center, I've been forced to have dive shops ship my Oceanic gauges back to
California for service/replacement, and that takes a month.  <BOO!>  8-(

----
Todd Spindler                                  
TSpindler@rsmas.miami.edu                 RSMAS/MPO  University of Miami
From: ray@tsw.UUCP (Ray Izumi)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Deep diving; Thermal effects of peeing in wetsuit
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:01:03 GMT
Organization: The System Works, Redmond, WA

In article <9209041413.AA09095@lanmail.NCSC.NAVY.MIL> Mahan_Stephen@LANMAIL.NCSC.NAVY.MIL writes:
>
>The only extra energy needed to keep urine warm in the body is related to the
>extra surface area of the body due to skin stretching over the full 
>bladder and the heat loss throught that extra area.  The urine 
>is inert and takes no energy to maintain temperature.

That just doesn't seem right. It's like saying that it takes the same amount
of energy to keep 5 gallons warm as it does  keep 10 gallon warm. If this
is true, then why is my heating bill so high?
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"No amount of not finding something proves it doesn't exist."
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From: rnurmi@niksula.hut.fi (Roy Jaakko Christian Nurmi)
Subject: Re: Device for talking underwater
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:19:35 GMT

In article <fourie.8@odie.ee.wits.ac.za> fourie@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Andre Fourie) writes:
>   I am very interested to find out whether anybody know of a device with which 
>   you can talk while diving - anybody heard of such a gadget?

	In Finland quite a few divers use full-face masks as AGA or others
	like that. With AGA it is possible to go against buddy's head and
	talk to him. It's not very handy, but practical. Of course talking
	to surface needs a divers phone, but that is another story.


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From: jstrom@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Johan Strombom)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:19:35 GMT
Subject: Re: DIN valves on Faber 7l tanks
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.scuba

It would help to know the brand name of the actual valve. If it is purchased
in the UK it is probably a standard DIN valve with a screwed in DIN fitting
addaptor plug. The valve itself is designed as to accept an INT regulator. 
Basically, you will not see any difference between this valve and a 'INT only' 
valve. (To my knowledge, Faber only manufactures tanks, not valves.)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: New Nikonos
From: mercer@rda.frc.maf.govt.nz (Steve Mercer)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:04:02 GMT
Reply-To: mercer@frc.maf.govt.nz (Steve Mercer)
Organization: Ministry of Ag. and Fish., Marine Research, Wellington, NZ.

I got my hands on a Nikonos RS to test out the other day.  There was
only time for one dive (during which we were also doing some enclosure
maintainence) so I elected to use it without the flash but with the 
20 - 35 zoom lens.  I have used a V with a 20 mm lens for the past 7 years
or so - no problems, and most of the usage has been with ambient light.
I was REALLY impressed with the RS.  Everything being auto makes it very
easy to record events without the worry of framing and focusing BUT when
the film was processed every shot but one (a self portrait) was over
exposed by at least 2 stops.  The visibility on the day was poor and I
guess the camera metered light being reflected off the particulate matter.
My V wouldn't have been fooled like this.  Has anybody else had this   
problem?

--
Steve Mercer - Diving Officer
PADI MI 451072.
   Usenet: mercer@frc.maf.govt.nz                Post: Fisheries Research Centre
Telephone: +64 4 861 029 x8665                         PO Box 297
From: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com (Ron Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Device for talking underwater
Keywords: Scuba, diving, underwater, acoustic
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:21:47 GMT
Reply-To: rbeck@mordor.dseg.ti.com
Organization: When I get time...

In article <fourie.8@odie.ee.wits.ac.za>, fourie@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Andre Fourie) writes:
|> I am very interested to find out whether anybody know of a device with which 
|> you can talk while diving - anybody heard of such a gadget?
|> 
|> Regards
|> Andre Fourie

Yes, I have seen such a beastie.  I believe they are advertised in Skin
Diver magazine.  The device itself is basically (if I remember right) a
replacement for your mouthpiece.  It covers the mouth completely so that
the diver is able to talk.

The only problem I can see with something like this is the inability for
the diver to buddy breathe should an emergency arise.  Of course everyone
should have a "safe second" (aka octopus) regulator for such emergencies
but it is my experience that the diver with the problem (no air in this
case) usually goes for the regulator he sees the bubbles coming from.

Most instructors I know say it's a great idea but don't use it due to the
restriction mentioned above.

Regards,
Ron
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From: czw70@ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: WANTED: rec.scuba FAQ
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:01:29 GMT
Reply-To: czw70@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (CA Whitfield)
Organization: Amdahl UK


Would the keeper of the FAQ for this newsgroup kindly send me a copy?

Cheers,
CAW
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From: gd@marmara.sw.stratus.com (Greg Dawe)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Delphis as carry-on
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:55:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

> ...and I don't want to toast 2 Aladin Pros...

I routinely carry my DC's in a carry-on bag which gets X-ray'd.  I've been
doing it for about 3 years.  Normally I carry 2 Monitor2's (same as your
Aladin Pros, I believe) and a SkinnyDipper for my girlfriend.  All of these
trips have been from Boston to the Carribean or Florida.  Hope this helps.

GregD
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: peggy@gatech.edu (Margaret Simpson)
Subject: Re: SDMag - Weird Contest Rules
Keywords: contest
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:56:01 GMT

In article <572@tsw.UUCP> ray@tsw.UUCP (Ray Izumi) writes:
>
>Following is an excerpt from the official rules of the Skin Diver Magazine
>"Dive Vacation of a Lifetime" sweepstakes:
>
> ... In order to be awarded a prize, residents
>of Canada will be required to correctly answer a time-limited arithmetical
>skill-testing question."
>
>Does anybody have a clue as to what this is about? 

My best off-the-cuff answer -- many countries have very specific
rules about what consitutes a "lottery" (an ILLEGAL contest), and
one way to prevent your promo from being considered a lottery is
to require the "winner" to exchange something (some consideration,
legally speaking) for the "award".  I would guess that Canada has
rules that prevent or strictly regulate such free contests or give-aways, 
and to avoid these rules one must "earn" the prize by taking a simple 
test.  Perhaps someone with some knowledge of Canadian fair business 
practices laws could confirm or correct this.

As an aside, the US has similar rules, and while we don't have to
take math tests, these type of promos are quite strictly regulated.  If
you have to buy a magazine for the chance to win, for example, it's
an illegal lottery.

Hope this helps.  -- Peggy

PS -- a diving tip for those with long or dry hair.  In addition to my 
"slap strap" which does seem to help prevent tangles, my hair
stylist recommended putting a bit of conditioner in my hair before
getting in the water.  (The conditioner supposedly coats the hair,
so the salt water (or pool water) doesn't damage it.)  I used a
spray in conditioner that was designed to be sprayed on wet or dry
hair and left in, and I found that it really made a difference.  My
generally dry hair survived a week in the sun and surf and ended up
looking better than before I left!  (The brand I used was Permasoft,
but probably any conditioner would do.) 


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From: bmacmill@epas.utoronto.ca (Bruce MacMillan)
Subject: Developing a List of Scuba Related BBS Worldwide
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 02:25:20 GMT

I am presently developing a list of Telecommunication services and
scuba diving BBS' across North America and worldwide. If anyone
knows of any such service in their particular area of the world I
would appreciate them sending me the name and phone number or other
access information for the service. I would be happy to send copies
of my on-going list to anyone as it develops, although I obviously
won't be able to guarantee the accuracy of the information. Thank you.

-- 
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bmacmill@epas.utoronto.ca
Voice: (416) 599-9261	(519) 542-4572
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From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Undercurrent Newsletter
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:31:33 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Sep15.170722.19069@odin.corp.sgi.com> rene@cvette.asd.sgi.com (Rene St. Pierre) writes:
>I have been solicited to suscribe to Undercurrents Newsletter and Rondale's
>Scuba Diving mag. Are these publications worth the investment? All opinions
>are appreciated.

I think this is in the FAQ, or maybe the archives.  

Short answer: Undercurrent (no 's') is excellent non-biased reporting.  
  If you do dive travel, it's invaluable.  

              Rodale: I would say the jury is still out.  It's better than
  Skin Diver, but that ain't saying much.

Regards, Lee
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell)
Subject: Re: Delphis as carry-on
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:23:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.175112.8433@ultb.isc.rit.edu> mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.S. Tremblay) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.104949.4005@spectrum.xerox.com> writes:
>>In article 28344@mksol.dseg.ti.com, (Dillon Pyron) writes:
>>>In article <1992Sep9.100949.11840@resonex.com>, (Dan Kell) writes:
>
>**Start Flame**

[stuff deleted]

>to need be included.  I am believe if your article is well written, we
>won't need any clues to what is being said...
>
 
What???? I normally keep up fairly well but what?????

[stuff deleted]

>**End Flame**
>
>-- 
>-Mark Tremblay              
>  software specialist                       Internet:    mstacc@ultb.isc.rit.edu
>     Rochester Institute of Technology      Phone:       716.475.2986

Sorry I just couldn't resist!


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email to dan@resonex.com
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."   A. Einstein
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: guido@sun-3.cs.uct.ac.za (Guido Zsilavecz)
Subject: depth in USA
Summary: how is depth measured
Keywords: depth in USA
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 07:10:03 GMT

Oi!
Sorry for the inconvenience, but a few days ago I posted a question regarding
the measurement of ambient pressure at depth in USA. Considering PSI is used
for tanks, is PSI used for pressure or bar/atm etc.

Unfortunately, being at the southern tip of Africa our newsfeed is not that
good, and by the time they arrived over the weekend all expired.

So could somebody possibly clear up my answer by E-mail, say a summary of
the postings if somebody followed it.

Thanks a lot
Guido
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From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Cayman & Andrew ?
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:42:48 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division

Jeff Wall writes:
>Andrew didn't come close to the Cayman islands

But I'll be there Sunday.  :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: rmavilla@rodan.syr.EDU (Martin Villarica)
Subject: diving in the Adirondacks
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 13:53:16 EDT


I would like to thank those who replied to my request for information on
diving in the Adirondacks.
It seems that there is not much in the way of dive shops out there so we 
decided to rent a couple of tanks locally over the weekend.
Unfortunately, we were pressed for time and only had a few hours on Sunday
to find a spot to dive and get back to Long Lake.  We decided to dive off
the public beach at Blue Mountain Lake on Rt 28/30, right across from the
Fire Station.  We snorkeled out hoping to find something interesting and
were approached by a boater who told us that there was a sunken railway car
in the vicinity.  He point us to where he thought it was.  We spent about
30 minutes trying to locate it before deciding to head back (my friend did
not have a wetsuit).  There was little else to see.
The visibility was around 20 ft and the temperature was 68F.  We did not go
below 30 ft, the bottom was in the way.
Once again, Thank You.
Martin Villarica
rmavilla@mailbox.syr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scuba