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From: dfm2@engr.uark.edu (Douglas Miles)
Subject: Re: SpeedyFinder7 vs. CopyDoubler
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:08:32 GMT

justin@mik.uky.edu (Justin Sullivan) writes:


>> Advantages of CopyDoubler: the usual commercial advantages (phone-support;
>> guaranteed (more or less) bugfixes and future development). Faster then
>> SpeedyFinder. Does some other very neat things. Works well with AutoDoubler
>> which is from the same folks.
>
>It's a shame it doesn't do background copying like CopyRight.. Victor said in  
>the documentation that background Finder 7 copying would be impossible, since  
>the floppy driver is in ROM, BUT.. CopyRight achieves its goal just by  
>replacing/modifying the Finder's copy routines, so maybe it *IS* possible  
>under SpeedyFinder. But never look a gift horse in the mouth.. 

Well, perhaps they could implement background copying the same way that
system 7 implements background printing....with a 'copymonitor'. I'm not much
of a programmer on the mac, but it doesn't sound to hard to do.

Douglas Miles
dfm2@engr.uark.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Mel Walker <mwalker@novell.com>
Subject: Re: Lets Just Steal 7.1!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6EF2F7A48011E08@mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:18:34 GMT
Organization: Committee to Elect Dan Quayle Lord of the Cosmos
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:18:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.155517.11997@NCRTimes.stpaul.ncr.com> Mike Pasek,
pasek@NCRTimes.stpaul.ncr.com writes:
>Personally, I would rather have the free software.  I'll admit that $30
for 
>a 10-disk set isn't bad, but how often do I have to do this ?  

You never have to do this. Just use the OS that came with your mac. My
sister, who uses her mac 512Ke to run Word and MSWorks, still runs 4.1.
My Mac+ still runs 6.0.3, because I just never got around to updating. My
IIci runs a 7.1 beta.

>One of the things that makes the Macintosh what it is is that _everyone_
has
>access to the _same_ System Software.  That means that if a developer
develops
>something that _requires_ a new version of the System, Joe User can
_use_ that
>"something" without additional expense.

I think the problem is Apple isn't sure if it's a hardware or OS company.
They used to be a hardware company, and gave the software away. Now
they're thinking that being an OS company wouldn't be too bad.

The end result is this: If you don't want to pay for 7.1, DON'T!!!!!!!!
If they don't sell very many copies, they'll simply raise the prices of
their computers and go back to giving it away. Don't sweat it. Just don't
steal it.

--Mel Walker
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: System Error 33
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:26:19 GMT

O.K., I think I've narrowed down the error I've been having with my Powerbook
140 to Appleshare.  It seems that when this extension is active, and I awake
it from sleep, it gives me error type 33 and occasionally will crash.  
However, when It is not running and I wake it from sleep, it does not give
an error.  However, it still occasionally, though less frequently, crashes.
I've used Appleshare quite a bit before this problem arose, and I very very
infrequently had system crashes.
Does this problem sound familiar?  Does anybody know the solution?  If so,
could you please E-mail me?
Thanks


--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: rrumpf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Rumpf)
Subject: Re: Latest Laserwriter LS Driver?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: comp
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:47:23 GMT

I just called my dealer, who said the latest LS driver was 7.0.1.  I then 
called Apple, and was told the latest driver for the LS was 7.1.  I have heard 
on the net that 7.2 was out and available only to dealers....I'm going to 
scream real soon now.  Can anyone give me FACTS to throw at my dealer, or tell 
me how I can get the thing over the network?  Yes I know it's not at 
FTP.APPLE.COM...

Bob
From: Apgar@Apple.com (Gar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Greg's Buttons & MacWrite II
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:49:38 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: comp
Organization: Apple

In article <1992Sep25.223724.23014@fenris.com>, kohler@fenris.com (Kurt
Kohler) wrote:
> 
> 
>   I recently got the new version of Greg's Buttons (2.0) from sumex-aim.
> The previous version worked fine, but now whenever I turn on "Enable
> Helvetica System Font", MacWrite II 1.1v2 doesn't display its menus
> correctly. Specifically, clicking on any of the menus except for Apple,
> Spelling, and View causes the menu name to be highlighted but no
> menu drops down. I've disabled all non-Apple extensions except for
> MacPassword, Vaccine, and Startup Manager.
>   This may well be a problem with MacWrite. Has anyone else seen this?

Yep, and I posted about this a few days ago...
Greg posted that many Word Processors do funky things
with there menus and he does not own all word processors
so he can not test it against all WPs, so the solution
for now is to just turn that Helvetica feature off.

It also can cause problems with Canvas and MS Mail...

Apgar@Apple.com                   I said it, NOT Apple.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dnsurber@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Douglas N. Surber)
Subject: Re: Lets Just Steal 7.1!
Organization: Lockheed Engineering and Sciences
Date:  5 Oct 92 17:15:13 GMT

In <1992Oct02.020149.43021@bmug.org> Steve_Costa@bmug.org writes:
>This whole issue is
>far more complex than I've seen talked about here......If i can see both
>side if this issue I'm surprised that more people haven't been able to
>as well.

I can see both side of the argument just fine, I just happen to be advocating
one side.  If I carried on both sides of the argument myself there
wouldn't be any reason for anyone else to post and you folks could get
some work done. :)

Douglas Surber
Lockheed
Houston, TX
From: smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Suppose Apple does charge for System 7.1...
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:21:40 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

>Maybe "Lots" of people will, but will it sell enough copies to make it
>pay?  Remember, Egghead got badly burned, and both they and Microsoft
>got some bad press with the Windows 3.0->3.1 upgrade.  Seems customers
>weren't breaking down the doors to buy it like they thought they would.

Corporate sales, sold via direct sales, will more than likely make charging for
the System worth it.

smittie
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From: lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: What is PowerOrgasm?
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:50:41 GMT
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.

In article <48163@shamash.cdc.com> larimer@zeus.cdc.com (Mark D. Larimer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.160526.9428@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> David Landis, 
>landis@ltpsun.gsfc.nasa.gov writes:
>>
>>I just found a copy of the System 7 extension PowerOrgasm. But when I
>>decompressed it, there was no documentation file. Can anyone tell me
>>what this thing is supposed to do?
>
>Seen "When Harry Met Sally"?  Remember Meg Ryan and the scene in the 
>cafe?  It plays a portion of that sound clip either randomly during
>operation or at startup (I'm not sure which).
>

I hope David's original question and the answer are or will be in the
FAQ.

Please, folks, let's not have a repetition of the interminable flame
war that erupted here a couple of months ago on this subject.  Someone
reported encountering this PowerOrgasm gem in an office environment,
and everyone on the net jumped in with their opinions on whether sexual
harrassment had been committed.  An interesting and enlightening
discussion at first, but it went on *forever*.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.games.video,rec.games.video.arcade
From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
Subject: What's a good futuristic name for a Mac Duo?
Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:01:41 GMT

In a month, I'm probably going to buy a Macintosh Duo -- a laptop
computer that can insert (like a videotape) into a desktop "dock" that
will give it more power (a math coprocessor, another hard drive, a
color monitor, &c.).  The Duo's desktop dock is useless when the
laptop's not connected to it.

I'm musing over what I'd name the computer and the dock (gotta name
them SOMETHING!).  Are there any spaceships in science fiction or
video games that can "dock" with another unit to become more powerful?
I seem to remember a very old video game (Bosconian?) that let you add
two boosters to your spaceship for more firepower, and Gradius gives
you lots of add-ons for your ship, and the TV Star Trek show's
Enterprise can split into two parts which are more powerful when
connected, but none of these really seem to fit the bill.

Email me suggestions, and I'll summarize to the net!

     << Brian >>

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From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Lets Just Steal 7.1!
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:40:43 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <dnsurber.718304166@node_26400>, dnsurber@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov
(Douglas N. Surber) wrote:
> 
> ... Apple made certain committments to
> people who bought Macs in the past and one of those committments was
> free system software _for_ _the_ _Mac_.

Really???????  Either you have your very own definition of the word
"commitment" or you know something none of the rest of us have heard about.

> I have already bought (although not necessarily paid for :) ) my Macs.
> Apple has already promised me free system software. Events in the future
> that will not affect me don't compensate for breaking promises made in
> the past.

Would you mind telling us just how those "promises" were worded, who made
them, and in what context?

(Just so nobody gets confused, I'm an Apple employee who has nothing
whatsoever to do with the pricing policy on system software.)

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Wow!
From: craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Lets Just Steal 7.1!
Date: 1 Oct 92 01:12:36 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: decel.ecel.uwa.edu.au

dnsurber@lescsse.jsc.nasa.gov (Douglas N. Surber) writes:

>In <1992Sep27.003934.34826@bmug.org> Steve_Costa@bmug.org writes:

>Free system software.  I've already given them the arms and legs. Lower
>prices on Macs doesn't do anything for me at this point.

You could always sell your current mac to some poor unsuspecting
non-usenet-aware shmuck and buy yourself a duo and docking station come
release day.  They you get a cheap fast machine and the reason to gloat
over having suckered the poor guy.  Hell, buy a IIci.  They were always a
good machine.  No microphone, but thems the breaks.

Craig
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From: Rick.Zeman@p943.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Zeman)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Two Minor Problems: Network Extension & Background
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:41:47 -0500

On 9/25/92@10:43:16 PM, Jeff Amfahr said regarding "Two Minor Problems: Network
Extension & Background:" 

  JA> From: amfahr@taligent.com (Jeff Amfahr)
  JA> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
  JA> Organization: Taligent
  JA> 
  JA> If AppleTalk is turned off (in the chooser) then things like Netwrok
  JA> Extension will not be loaded (and give the message you say). Zapping
  JA> PRAM 
  JA> will turn off AppleTalk. Make sure AppleTalk is on (in the Chooser).
  JA> 
  JA> Jeff Amfahr 
  JA> Taligent
      
      Naaah, there's more to it than that.  I toggle AppleTalk on and off in
the Chooser and if I've turned it back on, REBOOTED and then try to turn on
filesharing I get the 'Network extension not present' alert--even though it's
sitting there in plain sight.  I have to reinstall it each time to get the 
system to recognize it as being a valid file.  Something obscure is being
triggered here....


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: zaphod@bluemoon.rn.com (Peter Bierman)
Subject: RE: Suppose Apple does charge for System 7.1...
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 14:22:11 EDT

Rob.Dewhirst@macrocosm.omahug.org (Rob Dewhirst) writes:

> > Mac users may not want to spend the bucks to upgrade. 
> 
> A vast majority of the Mac users have no idea that the system was freely
> upgradeable in the first place. They will continue on, purchasing 7.1.

That's true. I had to spend a half-hour convincing my English teacher that 
it was legal to use our one copy of system 7 on our 15 Macs at school. 
Even then, he had to call the computer store to check.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: fh11@sol.acs.unt.edu (Brozovic Douglas)
Subject: System 7 vs Turbo mouse
Summary: Turbo mouse (old software) + system = trouble with editors
Keywords: turbo mouse, system7 
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:07:22 GMT

I am having trouble with the old turbo mouse software.  When using any of
my standard editors (qued/m, Sigma Edit, Alpha) while using the old 
software my cursor tends to jump.  What I mean is if one continues to
hit the space bar there is no telling where the cursor will move; down 
five lines, or worse, down five lines while selecting the text in between
*and* deleting it (with the next key stroke!!!!!)!!!!

Is it possible to get the updated software via ftp?  Anyone out there
having similar difficulties?

Thanks in advance
Doug Brozovic
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: smith@pell.anu.edu.au (Michael Smith)
Subject: Request for Resedit hints for LaserWriter Driver
Organization: Australian National University
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:41:44


Does anyone know where in the LaserWriter driver the information relating
to default page size is?

I wish to change it from its default "US Letter" to "A4".

Last time (last year) I asked this question, I was referred to a program
called My-Page-Setup (or something similar). This does not seem to work on
the new (tune-up) version of the LaserWriter driver.

Thanks in advance and cheers,
				Michael.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky)
Subject: Re: A treatise on 7.1
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:04:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.210905.19648@times.aux.apple.com>,
coolidge@sirius.aux.apple.com (John L. Coolidge) writes:
>HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) writes:
>>I would set a goal of selling 30 percent of all the PCs sold in
>>the United States by Jan. 1, 1994. I would find a way to meet
>>that goal even if it cost me millions in the meantime. Because
>>then I'd be ubiquitous and assured of long-term prominence.
>>I'd have the best computers and a plethora of customers for
>>my world's best operating system. I'd be as big as Microsoft.
>
>Umm, Apple _does_ sell over 30 percent of all the PCs sold in the
>U.S., right now. According to the market numbers I've seen, Apple has
>been between 30 and 32 percent of the market since April. The
>Performas should push that percentage even higher.
>
>--John
>
There is some version of the numbers that agrees with John's figure
but the more conventional numbers place Apple at 15%. These stats
seem to be more meaningful. But I will gladly rephrase: The goal
should be to add 15% to the current market share.

Mark
From: bruck@mathj.usc.edu (Ronald Bruck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Chicago font disappeared
Date: 28 Sep 1992 12:41:48 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mathj.usc.edu

In article <1a79nkINNgcj@agate.berkeley.edu> dana@are.Berkeley.EDU (Dana E. Keil) writes:
>Restarting has fixed things so that window titles are now back to
>Chicago, I still wonder why it did that though.


It's uncomfortable that such glitches occasionally happen.  I have a game,
Software Royale by Spectrum Holobyte, that came up today with one of the
menu items misspelled--instead of "Corners" the game was spelled "Corers".
Now if the machine can get a byte wrong in a resource like that, what's
to prevent it from erring on something more critical?  Just a stray cosmic
ray?  Some bug deep within the system?

Incidentally, I have version 1.0 of the color version of the game; does
anybody know if there's a more recent version?

--Ron Bruck
bruck@mtha.usc.edu preferred
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: RE: pay for System 7.1
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:36:23 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

<U59985@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

-> A less controversial point, but one that bothers me nonetheless 
-> is this: will S ystem 7.1 be released on high-density disks 
-> only? 

Apple has a marketing department which is undoubtedly in charge of following
details like this.

I can only imagine that as long as the System software in question supports
computers that were sold with 800K drives, _and_ the software in question is
being sold on dealers shelves as a general update/upgrade, then it will be
available on 800K diskettes.  (Both of these conditions must be true, though.)

It's obvious to me that 7.1 will be available on 800K diskettes, as 7.1 was
designed to run on the Plus, Mac II, and older SEs.

--Adam--
 
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From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 7.1 not free?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 09:23:22 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd) writes:

>   Let's play devil's advocate.  At least Microsoft did not make a TSR to
> fix Windows 3.0.  They made an installer, and integrated the fix into it.
> 
> Apple made this doofy thing called system 7 tuner.  At least integrate it
> into the system file, people.
> 
> If there was a reason that this could not have been done, post it.  I
> do not care about being flamed, but want to know why Apple did this tuner
> thing rather than making 7.0.2 availible.

The answers to this one seem obvious to me. With a tuner file that you
just drop into your extensions folder, you're up and running with the
new software immediately, without the headache of installing a new version
of the system. Additionally, from Apple's point of view they can test
and distribute a tuner module much more easily and quickly than they
can a whole new system release (plus do things like change all their
documentation). The tuner file is much smaller than a new system release,
which makes it easier to obtain from bulletin boards. All in all, users
are able to get bug fixes and new features up and running on their machines
much more easily and quickly. I say thanks to Apple for doing it this way!

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: paixao@ug.cs.dal.ca (Nuno Paixao)
Subject: Re: background print driver needed
Keywords: background Stylewriter
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:50:56 GMT


>Is there a background printer driver for the Stylewriter?

In the Tune-Up 1.1.1 Package, there is a new StyleWriter Driver, which 
allows for background printing....

Look for it at ftp.apple.com in the directory....
/dts/mac/sys.soft/7.0.tuneup

You will have to get the whole package to get the driver...
If you are running System 7, you should be using it anyways....

Nuno Paixao

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From: gudmund@itek.norut.no (Gudmundur Joekulsson)
Subject: Virtual screen for a mac SE
Reply-To: gudmund@itek.norut.no (Gudmundur Joekulsson)
Organization: FORUT Information Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:05:58 GMT


Hey,

Can anyone point me to a way of running a program written for
a mac-portable with a wide screen, on a mac SE.
I have heard of some kind of a virtual screen one could scroll
around in to see the different parts of the biger applications
screen.

any suggestions ....


gudmundur

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From: jacobs@cerritos.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: SE/30 Questions
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:43:17 PST
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

In article <hwa-021092094458@jones.jhuapl.edu>, hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu (Hani W. Akhras) writes:
> I have an opportunity to be a used SE/30. Do anyone have
> any comments on whether or not its worth it as compared to some of apples
> newest offerings. I am basically considering purchasing a mac with si - ci
> performance. I don't care to0 much for color, but would like to have the
> option to go color if I so desire. Will the SE/30 let me do that? In
> general, how expandable is this machine?
> 
> Any comments would be appreciated.
> 
> Thank you very much
> 
> hani w akhras
> hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu
 With the recent price reductions by Apple I would reccomend that you consider
an CI instead. It is much more expandable than a SE-30. I wish the prices were
this low last year when I bought My SE-30.

Karl
 
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