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From: bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent)
Subject: Re: IIsi price reduction?
Organization: Texas A&M Univ., Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:35:31 GMT

eric@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas) writes:
|  Has anyone heard the rumor that the price of the Mac IIsi & ci will be
|dropped in August?  Can anyone confirm this?  If so, when will Apple make an
|official announcement and when will the price decrease actually occur?

It's not a rumor.  Yes, Apple is offering price breaks from August 1 to
October 15.  Apple has made it public; I have a postcard size announcement
from Apple that I got at the campus computer center.

IIsi 5/80 will be $1500.  Don't know about the ci.

Hope this helps
-Brent
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|Brent P. Burton, N5VMG   |  And rouses Fancy on her wakeful bed;
|bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu  |  From realms of viewless spirits tears the veil,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: tshi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tong Shi)
Subject: Question ResEdit to make accent markers
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:28:15 GMT




I tried to use ResEdit to make four diacritic markers.  I was able to "break
into" some fonts and make changes that would "stay" if I open the font (Geneva 
12) again with ResEdit.  But the change doesn't affect any word processing 
under the modified system, and nor did the changes affect the KeyCaps thing.  I
have only had a chance to glance through some related materials, and just 
remembered that many operations in ResEdit needs to be done with option or 
Control pushed at the same time(?).  Can someone tell me the correct ways to 
save changes to fonts?  Or even the difference between individual fonts and 
accent markers?
Many thanks.

shi.8@osu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <JNeedleman@MCIMail.com>
Subject: Re: Which is less buggy, 6.0.7 or 6.0.8?
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:32:37 EDT
Organization: The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <rich.712525288@pencil> Rich Winkel,
rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu writes:
>I know of at least one program I use which works fine under 6.0.7 but
bombs
>in 6.0.8.  So the question is, should I upgrade everyone to 6.0.8, or
would
>I be better off using 6.0.7 with the 6.0.8 lw print driver?

I'm surprised--what is that program working under 6.0.7 but not under
6.0.8?

In any case, there's another alternative:  use the usual system 7.0 or
7.0.1 disks to do a custom install of JUST THE PRINTING SOFTWARE on the
6.0.7 machines. Test  the result with that problem program. If all is OK,
then also considering using the newer printer drivers and chooser
extensions on the Tune-Up 1.1.1 disk as well. Make sure everyone on the
network has those same printing tools if you do decide to upgrade.

Jeff
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:18:19 -0400 
From: "Donpaul C. Stephens" <ds8k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 25MHz vs. 16MHz
	<1992Jul19.095543.19985@DIALix.oz.au>

Ok,

I'm working this summer for some people who actually worked in the chip market.

>Supposedly Intel (for example) receives an order for 2000 25Mhz chips and 6000
>16Mhz chips. They make up 8000 chips and start testing at 25Mhz. When
they have
>2000 guaranteed 25mHz chips the rest are sent for testing at the lower speed.

No, from what i've heard, they'd make over 800,000 chips.  [The failure
rate goes up with complexity by some weird relations that i don't have
enough know-how to figure out for myself :-) ].

As for speeds:
I found out that they only make 1 type of memory for SIMMS, the chips
get sorted into bins.  Depending on how fast they operate and how
reliable, they get dumped into that bin

Now using 70ns SIMMS in a computer that asks for 80ns is giviing it quality.
Putting 100ns when it asks for 80ns is asking for trouble

Apple is very cautios i've found out.  Apple supposably got only 33MHz
040s for its Quadra Line.  Only clocking the 700 and 900 at 25MHz for a
couple of possible reasons:
1. They wanted to 'play it safe'
2. 25MHz [outside] already made it 4times faster than a ci, why go all
the way at once?
3. Price discrimination

I don't know why they did it [A company is making OverDrive to clock em
at 33], but it just goes back to Apple's insistence on high quality

As for PCs, I've heard that Compaq is the best ibox and IBM is pretty
good too.  But i wouldn't trade my 700 for any PC :-)

Donpaul C. Stephens
***************************************
Ross Perot in '92
    - the only candidate that realizes the govn't needs fixed...not tweaked

Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.system:10215 comp.sys.mac.apps:12231
From: evans@deakin.OZ.AU (Peter Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Looking for print spooler for Imagewriter under system 7
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:03:49 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia

Does anyone know of a shareware or public domain printer spooler that
works with an imagewriter under system 7?  Are there commercial
products that do this?  Also, it is possible to get PrintMonitor to
spool to an imagewriter?

Thanks for assistance,
Peter Evans
From: harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: How to uninstall System 7?
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:01:58 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

How can I deinstall System 7?

     Just trying to install 6.07 doesn't work.


What machines have to run System 7?
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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901-678-4632                                       harrisjw@memstvx1.memst.edu
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From: robert@metropolis.com (Robert Munyer)
Subject: Re: Dvorak Keyboard Questionaire
Organization: Metropolis Software, Inc.
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:20:32 GMT


In article <5579@ucru2.ucr.edu> judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson) writes:

> [...] However, I wanted to know how popular Dvorak is and how soon (if it
> all) keyboards will change to the new layout.

It's been more than 40 years, and if it hasn't happened by now it never will.
If you want your keyboard to change, you will have to do it yourself.
From: joe@lamar.colostate.edu (joe carlson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Increase number of files open at once?
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:42:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Alphanumeric

In article <1992Jul24.165452.21565@eplrx7.es.duPont.com>, milbouma@esvax.dnet.dupont.com writes:
> 
> Question from a friend which has me stumped
> I think I've seen something you can do about this but can't remember where or
> what.
> ---------
> I have 8 Megs of RAM on a Mac II with system 6.05 and I'm often running
> into printing problems: error -42 (too many files open). Some programs
> just say "can't open printer". If I close some files, printing works
> again. However this is very annoying. Is there a way to increase the
> maximum number of files simultaneously open. I know that one can set the
> number of windows. But the number of files?
> ---------
> Thanks in advance
> E-mail or post to the net.
> -- 
> 
> 

				I don't know if this will help your particular problem, but you can hack
your finder with ResEdit (Available at Apple.Com) to allow you to open as 
many as 99 windows.  Right off hand, I can't remember which resource it's in,
but I think it's in the same one as turn off zoom rect and auto snap to grid.

				My next ? is, if you have a II with 8 megs, why are you still running 
6.0.5?  At least go up to 6.0.7 or 6.0.8 if not 7.0.1.  System upgrades are
free you know!  the only thing you have to pay for with 7.0.X are the manuals.
(I work at a computer lab, and apple themselves told us that if you bring 
your own disks, you can copy the installs.  They're not Microsoft y'know!)



														just another usless piece of information,

																										jOe
From: ds8k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Donpaul C. Stephens)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Truetype in System 7?
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:07:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.8ePFR7G00WBKI0o99g
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Apple: Please remove TT from System software asap!

it is slow.  It eats code.  Adobe Type 1 is better, and ATM will
generate all the bitmaps you need i've seen and been told.  ATM is
supposed to be part of System 7.1.  Leave TT alone  get Type 1 compat
fonts.  I'm sure Apple will supply their standard set.

The ftp sites also have Type 1 fonts.  Some shareware, some freeware. 
Granted, not all high quality, but with so many to choose from, i'm sure
you can find an array that meets your needs

Just my $0.02 on the matter :-)

Donpaul C. Stephens
***************************************
Ross Perot in '92
    - the only candidate that realizes the govn't needs fixed...not tweaked
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From: peterb@mullet.gu.uwa.edu.au (Peter Broadribb)
Subject: Re: Installing Multiple Language Scripts
Organization: University Computer Club --- Perth, Western Australia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:27:27 GMT

jenkinsj@blowfish.taligent.com (John H. Jenkins) writes:
JJ> Install the Hebrew system (say) somewhere not over your English
JJ> system. Boot from your English system. Copy the following from your
JJ> Hebrew system folder and drop them on your English system folder;
JJ> the Finder will put them in the right places.
JJ> 
JJ> #1.  The Hebrew extension (Extensions folder)
JJ> #2.  The Hebrew control panels.
JJ> #3.  The Hebrew fonts, keyboards, and script (the System file--the
JJ> script has a little "world" icon).
 
matsb@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell) writes:
MB> I've tried this with the Arabic 7.0.1. It didn't work.
 
I tried it with Hebrew 7.0.1 and it didn't work for me either.
 
I wouldn't find it very suitable to switch between System Folders in order
to change scripts - especially when mixing languages in a document. But
then again, it is as I feared that Word doesn't support the scripts anyway.
(Well of course not, it's a Microsoft product.)
 
Peter
From: rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet (R. ALAN MONROE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Invisible Folder "Move&Rename", what is it?
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:44:13 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Marshall University

>> Several of my tools are seeing a folder called
>> "Move&Rename" that is invisible on the desktop of
>> Does anyone know why it is there and/or what it 

I'm pretty sure it's only there when you turn "Sharing" on, so that it can keep
track of what's being shared.
But I'm not sure... Anyone else?

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From: solo@deathstar.Stanford.EDU ( Shahrol )
Subject: Re: Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:13:17 GMT

stu5s11@bcrka280.bnr.ca (David Simmons 1342678) writes:


>What I'd like to see is a special disk that you insert
>and sllows you to boot of a network. Something like
>UNIX workstations do, where there are diskless nodes
>that contain no hard disk storage, and everything
>is read of a network server.

Sonic Software has something like this for most nubus macs.
it's a $149 package that includes ROM upgrades for the nubus
ethernet cards and a system extension that tells the mac to boot
of a network.

>John (full of stupid ideas) Andrusiak

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: kent@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (james kent)
Subject: Need Driver for Archive 2150S Tape Drive
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 06:11:13 GMT

I am looking for a Macintosh driver for a somewhat exotic 
removable disk drive he acquired.  I'm interested in
either something commercial or public domain. Please respond 
directly to me via email, as I do not have access to the 
newsgroups.  My email address is:

	bmorehea@smdvx1.intel.com

I have an external SCSI box with an Archive Corp Model
2150S cartridge tape drive.  It is a 150 MB SCSI cartridge tape
drive mechanism like those found on UNIX systems everywhere.

Currently I am running System 7 on an SE/30 and trying to use 
Central Point Mac Tools Deluxe but it does not support that type
of tape drive (nor will it in the future according to Central Point).

Thanks,
Bruce

+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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| bmorehea@smdvx1.intel.com  FAX:   (408) 970-1606                     |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: jwang@phy.duke.edu (James Wang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 7:  Flat icons?
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:50:05 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Jul24.005736.23256@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rrumpf@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert Rumpf) writes:
>I just installed System 7 on a Mac II.  On my IIci at home, the desktop folder 
>icons are nice, 3-dimensional colored icons.  On the II at work, the icons are 
>flat, 2-dimensional and colorless.  The II has an Apple 8-bit video card 
>installed; the IIci is using on-board video.  How can I get those nice icons on
>the Mac II?
>
>Bob


Rebuild the desktop!
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Appleshare and sys7?
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:01:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.212348.1@acad2.alaska.edu>, aslt@acad2.alaska.edu writes:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We are having an interesting discussion and the following 
> question has arisen.  I had thought that, with system 7, 
> Apple had rolled what was formerly a separate package 
> called Appleshare into System.  My partner says that 
> Appleshare is still being sold.  
> 
> Our question is: if we buy Appleshare and install it on our 
> network, what will it give us over and above what 
> we already have with System 7?

AppleShare uses a dedicated server, whereas system-7 file
sharing can use anyone's computer as a server.  The essential
difference between the two, however, is that personal file
sharing limits you to the number of station that can log on
to a server, whereas AppleShare either has no limits, or the
limits are much higher (I forget which).  Personal file sharing
via system 7 is good for small groups or for passing files
between individuals.  AppleShare is good for large work groups.
("large" is a nebulous quantity, I realize, but it is up to
each group to decide which works best for it.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
Subject: Re: 25MHz vs. 16MHz
Originator: d88-jwa@dront.nada.kth.se
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<1992Jul19.011310.24290@smsc.sony.com>
	<1992Jul19.095543.19985@DIALix.oz.au>
	<4ePFb=m00WBKQ0o_0L@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:11:37 GMT

> "Donpaul C. Stephens" <ds8k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

   Apple is very cautios i've found out.  Apple supposably got only 33MHz
   040s for its Quadra Line.  Only clocking the 700 and 900 at 25MHz for a
   couple of possible reasons:


Wrong.

There WEREN'T any 33 MHz 68040s out of Motorola (reliably) when
Apple designed the Quadras. However, the 25 MHz ones could usually
be driven at 33 MHz, with proper cooling.

-- 
         Jon W{tte, Svartmangatan 18, S-111 29 Stockholm, Sweden

### You have the Easy Access virus. This virus may cause strange sounds.
### You have the 24-bit virus. This virus eats system memory like CRAZY.
From: dt1n+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Tsai)
Newsgroups: cmu.comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: feature or bug
Date: 26 Jul 92 05:55:43 GMT
	<05jm4gj.stever@netcom.com>
Organization: Junior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I patched the finder with some stuff from sumex.  "finder-7.0.1"  I
think that is what may be causing this thing.  

Dave
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: west@turing.toronto.edu (Tom West)
Subject: Re: new inside Macintosh?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: usa
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:15:42 GMT

>Oh, goody.  The first six manuals will set me back just $162.70 (plus
>tax), and then I can look forward to spending probably another two to
>three hundred dollars to get the remaining nine.  This makes the old
>*Inside Macintosh* I..VI (which I suppose will then be obsolete) look
>cheap by comparison.

>Hundreds of dollars for manuals, $1300 for ETO, subscriptions for
>technical notes, ....  I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised.  The
>Mac never was a developer-friendly machine.  I knew I should have
>bought a NeXT instead of a IIsi.

  Okay, I'm annoyed.  I *want* that technical documentation.  I *need*
it.  Now somebody is complaining because Apple is providing it and
updating it to make it even easier to use and has the gall to actually
charge for it :-).

  I will admit that my sense if irony was set off here.  The same 
Addison-Wesley catalog that has the new IM series carries the new
7 volumes for the Next Developer Library series for NeXTSTEP, version 3.
The cost in C$ 268.65.  I imagine it will be about US$ 220.00

  I just can't imagine complaining about having documentation available.
If you can't afford it, you're still in no worse shape than you would be
programming, say DOS.  Books (technical books, especially) ain't cheap.  
Saying that nobody should have them if you can't afford them is pretty
selfish.  I suppose you would be a lot happier if Apple just didn't release
any technical documentation at all.  That way you could have it all for free!

  If you are complaining about price, get real!  Take a look at the price
of *any* computing books around you.  The Apple books are *better* priced
than others on an $/amount basis (about the same per page, except IM is
8.5" x 11" instead of 7.5" x 9.5").

  Sigh.  I don't think some people can *ever* be mad happy.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: nasadk@vccsouth23.its.rpi.edu (Kristopher Martin Nasadowski)
Subject: Re: Why Q700 Rebuilds Dtop?
Reply-To: nasadk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:14:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.025115.2886@cujo.curtin.edu.au>, ken@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Ken Taylor) writes:
|> We have a Quadra 700 here which has a Seagate 250Mb drive...
|> 
|> It has been formatted with a number of different disk formatters:
|> 1) Jasmine DriveWare
|> 2) SCSI Director Pro 1.8
|> 3) SilverLining 5.31/12  (I know this isn't the latest version)
|> 
|> Every time the machine starts up, it rebuilds the desktop in the 
|> boot partition....
|> 
|> The System has been reinstaled from scratch (7.0.1 with TuneUp 1.1.1)
|> 
|> Any ideas, comments, suggestions...

I have found that if you have a Mac which normally uses System 7, but
boot with System 6.x.x, the desktop gets rebuilt when you switch to
System 7 again.

My guess is that there are differences between the desktop for system 6
and system 7, so that system 7 does not recognize the desktop if it
was used under system 6, and thusly rebuilds it.

Two things worry me about this :

1.) It doesn't do that with floppies
2.) It also says something to the effect of "Updating HD for new system software"

My only other guess is that this only happens to boot HD's and bootable floppies,
since I have not noticed it on my external HD.

Anybody else have any ideas?

Nazman
<nasadk@rpi.edu>
From: jacobs@cerritos.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: ftp'd files won't binhex or anything!
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:33:05 GMT
Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA

In article <bondir.40.0@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu>, bondir@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu writes:
> What am I doing wrong?  The only files I download via ftp from sites that I 
> can "revive" are ones that end in .hqx.  These I download on an IBM to a
> DOS floppy, read it on a Mac with a SuperDrive and AccessPC, deBinHex with
> CompactPro, and then either unstuffit or uncompact, no problem.  Files ending
> in anything else, even in familiar old .SIT, I can neither unstuff nor
> deBinHex.  I always get in ftp after typing "binary" first.  What am I doing 
> wrong?
> 
	I have the same problem with my system. Apparently any file other than
those in .hqx format are actually a Mac file, even while being downloaded. This
even applies to files in MacBinary that all the people with ethernet cards in
their Macs love. As far as I know, those of us who have to download through a
pc have know other option but to look for files in .hqx, anything else doesn't
survive the transfer through an ibm.

If any of you wizards out ther have a solution, please let us know,

Karl
.
From: rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet (R. ALAN MONROE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Tips on Multiple Scripts
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:59:08 GMT
Organization: Marshall University


Someone mailed this to me and recommended that I post it...

==================================================================
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 10:09:12 +0300
From: eyler (Akif Eyler)
To: Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu
Subject: Mulitple scripts in System 7
 
> From what I vaguely recall, you can copy foreign language scripts
> and keyboard layouts to an English System 7 file and it should be
> able to handle them in some way.
 
Questions about mixed script systems are appearing more and more.
The idea is to mix two or more scripts in one system, like Roman
(left to right) and Hebrew or Arabic (right to left). Here is a
summary of my experiments on this topic.
 
I started with System 7.0.1 (international version) and added the
following:
   Arabic extension     (Extension with a crescent icon)
   Arabic script        (Document with a world icon)
   Arabic keyboard      (Document with a keyboard icon)
   Font Al Qahirah      (FOND id 17920, same as the ones above)
All of these can be dragged into the System folder, the first will
go into the extensions folder, the rest into the System suitcase.
Make sure that you do this after shift-restart and no applications
open.
 
(Caution: make sure that all the additions described above are
taken from a recent system. System 6 components will NOT work.)
 
It works. My keyboard menu (between the help and application menus
on the top right corner) shows US, Turkish, and Arabic in two script
groups. Some applications are script-savvy, in that they change the
script depending on the document.
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