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From: daves@meaddata.com (Dave Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: CRAP FOOTBALL STIKES AGAIN!
Date: 7 Jan 1993 15:40:26 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
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In article <1993Jan7.132435.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clg292@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
|> hi there it,s hamish here again, with just a few points to take up with all
|> you flammers.

Normally I sit back and chuckle at these type of posts as well as
their followup postings, but this one I just have to reply to.

|> Mindless gibberish about English and Scottish fans removed for the
|> reader's benefit.

|> More mindless rebuttle deleted.

|> By the way I know my spelling is terrible, but what's the differance
|> I am just writing a quick message to a newsgroup not a bloody theseis.

   Terrible isn't the word for it. You are a (blarney) stone's throw
   away from England, go take some classes.    

|> 
|> So all you ignoramuses out there,before you flame me, try and think
|> of an intelligent point to make first, if that's possible for a bunch
|> of couch potatoes.

   OK, here's some intelligent points (let me know if you need help
                                       understanding them)

   1. How many women do you see playing American Football v. playing
      soccer?? 

   2. Why is it that anyone has the ability to play soccer well and
      yet only the biggest and the strongest can make it in American
      football?? (A pretty good reason why Scotland lads HAVE TO play
      soccer, I suppose)
   
   3. How many soccer players have been paralyzed due to vicious 
      physical contact in a match??

   These are but three simple, intelligent points for you, but I am
   starting off slow since I know you will need me to. 

|> 
|> Football Players Are Dickless
|> 

   It would be most amusing to see you say that to such "Dickless"
   players as Dick Butkus, Jack Lambert, Derrick Thomas and Ronnie Lott.


|> Hamish

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From: bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason)
Subject: Steve Young bashing
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:36:26 GMT


First, let me clarify that I am a Cowboy fan and that what I have to
say has nothing to do with my wanting to see Dallas face a lesser
quarterback next Sunday.

Now, I can't believe the criticism that Young has received from 9er
fans on this group.  One game, in one game, he fumbles more than he
has the whole season (if I'm not mistaken).

Go back and look at 82 game vs. Dallas--Clark made that catch;
Montana's SB career could have been much different if not for a
brilliant effort to catch a much overthrown ball.

Young is a great qb; he deserves to be the starter, not Montana,
because you have to look at where they are now.  Sure Joe played a
half and looked, but SF was winning for one and, two, Joe intimidated
a patsy team.  Joe has been out there working with the team like Young
has.  He doesn't have Young's mobility--so very important vs. a
*young* aggressive Dallas rush.

Be careful what you wish for--you may get it.

isn't Young a free agent this coming year?  Hmmm, imagine Young
leaving Montana to qb for the 9ers who then goes down next.  Bono is
not Steve Young, not nearly that good or smart.

I hate to say this to you guys, but you remind me of the hoity-toity
Cowboy fans of the 70's and early 80's--you have it so good, but you
want to live and relive the past and criticize what's good now.

-- 

Gary Beason    			      
Purdue University
bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu
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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Madden Interview
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:38:47 GMT

Since people are "interested" in discussing John Madden, here is
an article quoted w/o permission from the SF Chronicle (1/7/93):

John Madden looked out his East Bay window yesterday morning
and saw a sea of gray clouds.  "It looks like a good storm coming"
he said.  "Good football weather.  Good hitting weather."

Weather is just one of Madden's many subjects of interest.  He
says the Bay Area's inclement weather should not affect Saturday's
NFL playoff game between the 49ers and Washington Redskins.  If
anything, it will help the 49ers, he said.

Madden, who will be working the game as the lead analyst and
commentator for CBS Sports, said: "Weather definitely can have an
influence on the game.  But only only thing that really bothers a
game - and it bothers the quarterbacks and the kickers - is wind.
That's the toughest weather to play in.  And that's the only
weather that could really change a game plan.

"Any precipitation is an advantage to the offense as long as 
you keep the football dry, because the offensive players know
where they're going and the defensive players have to react to it,
and they start to slip and slide around a little.  A wet day and a wet 
field is really a pretty good passing day.  And it's not a bad
kicking day."

Madden thinks the 49ers will win on Saturday - "the 49ers have
the best record in football because of one reason: they're the
best team" - but the former Raiders Coach knows that logic doesn't
always prevail in the world of professional football.

"Last week" said Madden, "I did the Philadelphia-New Orleans game,
and if you would have asked me after the first half, "Who's going
to win?  I'd say, New Orleans has this thing under control."

"I was one of those guys watching the early game - Houston-Buffalo-
who turned it off.  Houston's killing these guys, right?  Any I
had other things to do, too.  So, what you think is going to
happen before doesn't mean a damn thing because you can even
be wrong -as we were all proven last week-even once a game starts."

What does Washington have to do to upset the 49ers?

"I don't think there is any simple thin" Madden said.  "The Redskins
are a very advantageous team in that if you give them a break, like
a turnover, they'll take advantage of it.  They have a good kicker
in Chip Lohmiller.  Any they have a streak quarterback in Mark Rypien,
who can be very, very good, or he can be very, very bad.  You can't
let him get hot.  If he gets hot, he can do a lot of things."
From: jorgand@sumax.seattleu.edu (Dave Jorgan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cortez Kennedy
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:07:59 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
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In article <104252@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>Didn't Flores trade 2 second round draft picks for Keith Millard from 
>Minnesota only to cut him 2 weeks later?  Heard this a while ago, wasn't
>sure if it was true.
>
>satish nair


	He traded a '92 2nd round pick, and a '93 third round pick for Millard.
One of the worst trades ever, because Flores and his staff didn't scout Millard
(apparently) to see if he could play in the Seattle defensive scheme. Everyone
knew Millard was a one-gap penetrating-type tackle, yet Seattle uses a two-gap
defensive scheme. I assumed when the trade was made Flores knew what he was
doing, but it looks like he didn't. Finances may also have played a part in
this failure- Millard could have played strictly on passing downs, where
playing the run and controlling two gaps isn't as important, but Ken Behring
probably would have had a coronary paying Millard $1 million+ just to play
seven or eight downs a game.

	BTW, this also shows just how awesome a season Cortez Kennedy had.
He got 14 sacks and numerous tackles for loss, all while playing the run
tremendously well and controlling two gaps. Many of the other top-ranked
tackles get to play in one-gap defenses where they need only control one gap
and have much less responsibility. A two-gap defense is really meant for the
linebackers to make the plays- a one-gap highlights the linemen. The Eagles
play a one-gap scheme. Michael Dean Perry had many All-Pro seasons playing in
Bud Carson's one-gap scheme, but when Belichick put in the two gap scheme you
didn't hear about him too much, because this scheme overshadows the linemen
(especially the tackles.)



Dave Jorgan
From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: A rara avis of a woof for JPG...
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:06:07 GMT
Organization: NASA - Langley Research Center
Distribution: world
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
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In article <1993Jan12.005440.27668@pbhyg.PacBell.COM>, 
dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M) writes:
> >Before you squawk, remember that they couldn't beat the Cardinals. Every 
game
> >that they've played was close, except for the Falcons! They'll be lucky to
> 
> I hope I'm not stepping into a major flame war, but I'd like to 
> correct some "facts" here.  I define close as 7 points or less.  With
> that, the Cowboys had 6 close games and the 49ers had 7.  Not much of
> a difference.

True, but I was more interested in the puns than the facts for this one.
Come on, where's your sense of fun?

COWBOYS FOREVER!

           John Paul Phillips
                  "Azjohn"
NASA - Langley Research Center
        Hampton, Virginia, USA
From: rinehart@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark J. Rinehart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: TOP TEN MADDENISMS
Keywords: madden, football
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:18:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1993Jan8.162931.2007@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton) writes:

> In article <1293@pascal.einstein.eds.com>, schnabel@einstein.eds.com (Eric Schnabel) writes:
> |> Just an casual observation from a casual armchair QB:
> |> Well, for the five or six other folks out there who like madden, here's 
> |> some of my favorite Madden-isms:
> Here's my favorite:
> THIS IS REAL FOOTBALL, WITH BLOOD, SWEAT, GRASS, OXYGEN AND BOOGERS
> This one was so funny my wife and I still repeat it.
> That makes 3 Madden fans :-)
> Cheers,
> Alan Whitton

With all the negative comments about John Madden, one might think
there aren't many of his fans around --- but you'd be wrong if you
thought that. He is the best of the lot because he knows not to take
the game so damn seriously (ala Bill Walsh). He makes it interesting
and fun with his comments about pigeons, and guys in the stands
catching the ball, etc....At the same time, he has inside knowledge
about the game because he was a successful head coach, and gives the
viewers some excellent insights as to why certain things happen
etc....The only thing I don't personally care for is that clicker
thing.....makes my eyes go buggy after he moves the frame forward and
backward sixteen times. Overall though, Madden and Summerall are by
far the best team of announcers.  

Mark
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Cowboys over Eagles
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:28:23 GMT


Top 10 Reasons why I think (the key word is 'think'. I am NOT saying the
Cowboys will deffinately win) the Cowboys will beat the Eagles Sunday:

10: They are playing at Texas Stadium
 9: I hate the Eagles
 8: Aikman will have a good day
 7: I hate the Eagles
 6: Michael Irvin will catch at least 1 TD pass
 5: I hate the Eagles
 4: Randall will look like he did the last time he played against the Cowboys
 3: I hate the Eagles
 2: Emmitt Smith will carry the ball 20+ time and rush over 100 yards
 
And the #1 reason why the Cowboys will beat the Eagles (which will probably be
no surprise to you all) is:

 1: I HATE THE EAGLES

Eric

P.S. Just a little note before you all start sending me 'flame' mail... We are
all entitled to our opinion and I choose to express mine. I won't guarantee a
Cowboy win because that would get me even more hate mail than what this one
will get me. I have my reasons for disliking the Eagles. Most of them date
back to the Buddy 'I have no class and no job because of it' Ryan days, but
bad feelings being what they are I choose to keep them burning in the back of
my mind so it adds fuel to the fire when the Cowboys and Eagles play.

GO COWBOYS!!

-- 

		Internet: eric@abode.ttank.com
		    uucp: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!wvus!abode!eric

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>/ hpkslx:rec.sport.football.pro / jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) / 11:10 am  Jan  4, 1993 /
>Well, to the dismay of Cougar fans everywhere, the expected announcement
>came just a short time ago here... Washington State junior QB Drew Bledsoe
>will indeed make himself eligible for the upcoming NFL draft.  Drew was
>classy as always at the press conference, and although we are disappointed,
>we all wish him the best.
>

Along these lines...who has the first pick in the draft SEATTLE or NE.  I
missed the last couple of weeks of the season so please don't flame if they
finished with different records.

Also, will the Seadogs take Bledsoe ?  They sure need a QB or will they
go after Marvin Jones of Florida.  

I haven't seen it here and I know the draft is months away but does anyone
have a list of top prospects who are coming out ?

The only three juniors that I have heard of so far coming out are Bledsoe,
Marvin Jones, and Robert Smith of Ohio State.

Oz

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Cowboys KILL Eagles
Organization: University of Central Florida
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:48:36 GMT

skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Skywalker) writes:

>For starters the first joke is mine, next if I were Ray, living in the 
>Philly area where, you can't drive your car to the game if it has Cowboys
>stickers on it our you get flat tires or broken windows, I would feel the
>same way. Do you think the Eagles fans wouldn't have had a hoot at our
>expense if they had won ? As for talking trash, he's right. The entire locker
>room door was covered in Texas Stadium with enough Eagles trash to fill
>a landfill. Many Cowboys fans do see the Eagles as "The Evil Empire"
>and the Cowboys as the good guys. Many teams do dislike each other 
>somewhat but the "Hate" betewwn these teams is real.

Agreed; what I was objecting to was Ray's posting an article full of trash
talking, then wrapping it up by acting like he's above it.  That makes him
a hypocrite, and a discredit to Dallas fans who accepted the win
graciously.

>Although I give credit when due, the Eagles although they did talk a load 
>of trash before the game they did handle the loss with the most class
>I have ever seen from them.

I'll have to admit that there was a lot of pregame trash-talking done by
Eagles fans; however, to be fair, both sides are guilty, though the Eagles
fans are probably more so.  The best way to prove you are above it is by
example, which Ray failed to do.

Congrats to the Cowboys.  We'll see you next year.

--mark
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From: jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin)
Subject: Re: Intimidation Factor? : 'Boys/Eagles
Originator: jmartin@cleomed
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:30:06 GMT

From article <1993Jan8.183828.24256@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, by jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes):
> In article <1993Jan7.184734.29320@ntmtv>, jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin) writes:
>> Fact is the only intimidating team to win the
>> SB in the last decade is Da Bears. The 9ers\Skins\Giants\Bears did it
>> with good solid on the field play not by resorting a bunch of cheap
>> talk, cheep hits or dragging shrines to dead guys around the country.
>> This strictly bush-league stuff which doesn't have much affect on the 
>> other side and tends to make perpetrator look unprofessional if not
>> downright silly. 
> 
> First, intimidation does not mean cheap shots.
> 
> Second, if there is anything bush-league it is your attitude on the
> Eagles dedicating their season to Jerome.  He was a big part of the
> team and the community.  You don't think the Cowboys would dedicate
> their season to Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, etc, if,
> God forbid, something tragic happened to them?  You'd be flooding
> this newsgroup with nothing but praise for their actions.
> 

There is nothing bush-league about dedicating a season to a fallen
comrade. What I, and many others found morbid was the use of the
Jerome Brown "shrine" as just another prop for getting ready for a
big game. It would have be equally as morbid but at least more
honest if the locker had been carried around to all this season's
road games. But using it for "big games" showed the ploy for what it
was, just more gris for the mill, more hype. It did not show
respect for the dead. It made the loss lf Jerome Brown more cannon
fodder for the overblown war of words between Dallas and Philly.

> Third, look no further than last season's NFC conference semi-finals
> to see how much affect a personal tradgedy can have on a football
> team.  Remember Mike Utley?  Remeber Detroit 38, Dallas 7?

The `Boys lost that game for the same reason they lost all games
against Run & Shoot offenses last year, an inablility to pressure
the quarterback. If you give Utley partial credit for that game then
what happened the next week when the Lions were dismantled by the
Redskins?

       [ stuff deleted ]

> 
>> My greatest fear is that when/if the Eagles make it to the SB that 
>> they'll be exhuming bodies and suiting them up to get that
>> emotional high they seem crave so much.

These words were inappropriate and disrespectful. I apologize to all
Eagles fans who I know were deeply offended by them. I too fell
victim to the emotional heat of the moment.

> 
> You're a fuckin' dickhead.
> 

And you're usually one of the more thoughtful Eagle fans on the net.

> 
> E-A-G-L-E-S
> 
> Joe Dakes
> AT&T Microelectronics
> 555 Union Boulevard
> Allentown, PA  18103
> jmd@aluxpo.att.com
> 

Jeff Martin


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From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Re: Fat lady is singing
Organization: University of Central Florida
Distribution: rec
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:31:37 GMT

schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius) writes:

>Uh oh... The Eagles just went up 3-0.  I can hear the fat lady warming
>up her voice...

*SOB*

Oh, well.  Congrats to Jimmy Johnson and the Dallas Cowboys.  I'm going
to go curl up in a fetal position for a few hours.

mark
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills Game on Tape?
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:48:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

In article <C0BzrK.Erp@acsu.buffalo.edu> v057p7nk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut) writes:
>Anyone have da Bills game on VHS?  I gotta have it!  Will compensate for
>time, trouble and tape.  Or if you are local, and snagged it from the
>satellite I have a couple of VCR's set for dubbing...
>
>Please mail any responses.  Thanks.

Same here. I also gotta have it! Email or post.
--Jim


>
> Dr.D [The Devils Advocate]        "Drinkin' & women & guns don't mix..."
> v057p7nk@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
> awkorbut@acsu.buffalo.edu                      - Mark Arm
>
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From: vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov)
Subject: Re: ELWAY AUTOGRAPH CARD FOR SALE
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:50:53 GMT

In <1993Jan11.164602.9754@iscsvax.uni.edu> steffen8546@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>I have a John Elway Collectors Edge autograph card.  Don't remember the serial
>number right off hand, but I can get it.  I will take best offer for it.  Vax
>me with bid or if you want more info.

>Starting bid: $125

>Jason Steffen

>steffen8546@iscsvax.uni.edu

GET THIS SHIT OUT OF HERE! Put in Collectors where it belongs!

                                                            The Impaler
From: timl@mips.com (Tim Layman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Updated Playoff Schedules...
Date: 6 Jan 1993 04:37:20 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: zulu.mti.sgi.com

	I've got a simple question. What day is the Superbowl? Is it
on the 24'th or the 31'st? I remember in previous years there was some
bitching about having too much time between the xFC championship games
and the superbowl. (Where x = N or A:^)

	Thanks,
		Tim
From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Still say Montana shouldn't replace Humpheries in SD?
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:13:04 GMT
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Originator: daveb@lotus
In-reply-to: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)

In article <43340@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, kprashan@sdcc3 (hyderabadi) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.171656.19089@pony.Ingres.COM>, daveb@Ingres.COM sez:
>> 
>> The evidence is in.  This Stan is not The Man.  
>
>What evidence? One game? Does that wipe out all the good things he has
>done in the whole season? Remember that this is Humphries' first full 
>season as a starter in the NFL. Remember that he came into SD just before 
>the season started. He didn't start the 1st game. From then on he has been
>solid. He is young, he is tough guy, and has a strong arm. I can only see
>him getting better.

Yup, especially if he watches someone competent from the bench.

>> If I were the SD management, I'd look and see a passing game that
>> can't work w/o an established run, making it impossible to mount any
>> kind of comeback, or get involved in a shootout.  I'd see a 5th year
>> QB who has been injured and can't carry the team, and a mediocre at
>> best backup.  Still looks like the weak spot in the team to me.

>A lot of sweeping judgements about a QB. How many times did you see him
>play this year?

The one time it counted.  (I'm in the SF Bay Area, and we don't get SD
much, but I don't remember hearing about many Humpheries-led comebacks
this year.  Feel free to correct.)

>> Maybe Humperies can come around.  He might learn a lot watching Joe
>> direct the offense for a while.  Heck, it worked for Steve Young.

>OK, he will be a good influence on Humphries. But at what cost Joe Montana?
>SF will probably ask for some ridiculous price based on reputation. No way
>is SD going to trade major players/picks and ruin the team a la Minnesota
>[for Walker].

This is not going to be a Walker deal. The Niners are going to *give*
Joe away to avoid the hassle.  Like maybe one or two #2 draft picks,
or a #2 and a #3.  You'd be nuts not to take the deal that will be
possible!

It still looks to me like SD is shy at QB, and could go over the top
with help there.  Maybe more easily than KC, because there may be
talent (Stan) that can learn something for the long term.  The rest of
the KC team is getting old waiting for a QB to show up, and what's on
the bench won't age or improve.

I would *love* for the Lightening Bolt to come back, and was crushed
when the Fish beat Fouts and Co. in that great game.  I just think
they need a 20th century passing attack to complement their great
ground game to be a complete team.

Some of my earlier comments where rhetorically harsh.  I was just
trying to get into the general tone of discussion here.  Woof.  Woof.

"I'm not really an opinionated a** sports-nut, but I can play one on the net."

cheers
-dB

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