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From: dwolff@cozy.Prime.COM (David Wolff)
Subject: Re: Amusing Season 6 errors (None posted previously)
Organization: Computervision
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:50:52 GMT

My sharp-eyed wife (hey, she's an editor) found a *real* blooper.  When
Worf practices his quick-draw at the end... the gun switches hands!
It starts out in his left hand, the camera angle changes, and shazam,
it's in his right hand!

BTW, I thought Troi looked pretty good in leather pants and a blouse...
her "Ancient West" accent was awful, but then it's just a holodeck game,
so who cares.

David Wolff

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From: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Subject: Re: Quality of Season Six (was Re: RASCALS-this is writing?)
Originator: stdeprie@c00361-247dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:05:04 GMT


In article <168A1E383.JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu>, JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:
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|> From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
|> Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
|> Subject: Re: Quality of Season Six (was Re: RASCALS-this is writing?)
|> Message-ID: <168A1E383.JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu>
|> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 16:10:39 EST
|> References: <1992Nov12.163526.5565@desire.wright.edu> <BxoGv8.Jwy@acsu.buffalo.edu> <rawdon.721797078@cs.wisc.edu>
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|> 
|> In article <rawdon.721797078@cs.wisc.edu>
|> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
|>  
|> >lower grade.  Season 6 so far has one quality episode (about half the
|> >percentage that each TNG season has had so far), and an even lower grade.
|> >
|> >My feeling about Season 6 is that, except for the last two episodes, it has
|> >been a watchable but not very inspiring season.  The first five episodes were
|> >decent, but only one was "good".  However, it wasn't until "True Q" that we
|> >encountered a really BAD episode.
|> >
|> I still don't understand what you consider a "quality episode?"  What are
|> you looking for?
|> 

I think they are basing everything on Inner Light, though I doubt that any
Star Trek episode will ever meet that standard of quality writing and
acting again which is a shame.....that was an inspiring episode, the writing
staff had a brief moment of originality. :-)
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From: sager@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian)
Subject: Re: Fistful of Datas
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:46:18 GMT

   We too are curious who Denise Crosby played.  We didn't see her either;
so please, do tell!
  
>I enjoyed this episode, too.  Nice to see Troi get a role more
>substantial than the usual Counselor Cleavage character.  Seems
>like women in Star Trek have tended to be locked into permanent
>nurturing mode.

   Wait there!!  She might not have been "Counselor Cleavage", but she
sure was wraped air-tight in those leather pants of hers. (Not that
we're complaining about her choice in leather apparel, just the writers
choice of her as a character)  I do however agree that the women in ST
seem to be "locked into nurturing mode", but then so are many of the male 
roles.   

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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's accent
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:14:01 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Nov23.060909.13058@cs.mcgill.ca> ragnarok@cs.mcgill.ca (Collette FLANNERY) writes:

>In article <jgasaway-191192133431@mac20-199.ncsa.uiuc.edu> jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway) writes:

>>In article <168A3DE89.97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu>,

>>97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu wrote:

>>> Why is it so impossible to
>>> imagine that Jean-Luc's parents or grand-parents or great-great-grandparents
>>> moved to England and that Jean-Luc never lived in France?

>>Because Picard *did/does* live in France!  This is mentioned in many
>>episodes, the one where he goes home (Family?) being the most obvious. 

>Also, it is quite common for people who grow up on the Continent to have
>an English accent on their English.  I guess Jean-Luc was just a brilliant
>student and picked up the dialect perfectly.  Not so hard to believe either!

Jesus Christ, people!!!

Maybe, just maybe, it's because the fucking ACTOR has a British accent and
they couldn't very well make him get RID of the damned thing, so they left
it alone.

This isn't one of those "Trekkies get a life!" flames, because I love Star
Trek just as much as you guys.  But COME ON!!!  There are some things that
they just CAN'T change.


-- 
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From: tob@world.std.com (Tom O Breton)
Subject: 'The Quality Of Life' review
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:58:41 GMT

I kinda liked this episode. But it did come across as clunky in places and
all in all, I wish this important theme had been in a better episode.

There wasn't a whole lot to grab you before Data decided the Whatchamacallems
were alive. There was, of course, the power station being in danger, but it
didn't work. "Imminent danger. Oh. Wake me when it's over."


I found the discussions on Alife interesting, but I think most people would
not have. They were reasonably accurate, according to current thinking.

Aside: FWIW, I would suggest that the definition "self-organizing systems",
systems which decrease their own entropy at the expense of their environment,
(cf. the Prigogine work) is simpler and more powerful -- better.

Aside:  Had a few thoughts on the discussion of whether it was immoral to use
the Whatchamacallems as 'tools'. Seems to me that the question really
*doesn't* have precedent in questions of enslaving organic beings. Being
deliberately created as tools and then becoming 'alive' is different.

Reminded me of the cow in 'The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe', that
was bred to want to be eaten, and of Asimov's Three Laws Of Robotics, wherin
robots self-preservation is subordinate to obedience to humans.


Wonder why Data didn't have that reaction to Wesley's living things. Then
again, that *was* in the middle of Wesley's annoying godlike period...



The lady scientist got pretty repetitive. I suppose it could have been worse.

I liked seeing Data's perspective on life and alife. It was good to see him
characterized as other than a wanna-be-human latter-day-Pinocchio or
Bicentennial Man.

I like that the Whatchamacallems didn't suddenly get pseudo-human
personalities, nor do a 'Number 5 -- alive!' sort of thing. I like that sort
of restraint.

The thing with them reprogramming the transporter really shattered
credibility, I thought. They should have written that out. That really
damaged the episode.

I had a VERY mixed reaction to where the one Whatchamacallem sacrifices
itself for the other two. In a way, it was very moving, but it felt so darn
manipulative too!


The line at the end, Data telling Picard "I suppose you are wondering why I
was willing to sacrifice your life for several small machines", was
memorable, though.

        Tom



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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "The Quality of Life"
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:22:20 GMT

In <1992Nov23.172520.21433@mail.cornell.edu> Michael Scott Shappe <Michael-S-Shappe@cornell.edu> writes:
>This is my first post in regards to an episode in a long time. Frankly,
>it's the first time in a month I've bothered watching...

>Anyway, my main problem with this episode is that it demonstrated, once
>more, one of the great weaknesses of Star Trek: the use of gratuitous
>magic. Microreplicators synthesizing tools?

This was  silly.   (Cool visual effect,   though.)   It  would have  been more
believable if   they "merely" had a  small  collection of  tools from which to
draw.

>					      Machines not only
>reprogramming their ROMs (using the same microreplicators) but managing
>to bootstrap themselves into sentience in the process?

The   silly  thing here  was  the way  they described  the  concept.  Had  the
explanation been  something like, "Oh,  I just  upgraded  their processors and
memory  capacities so that   I could fire  up  some  self-modifying neural net
software I developed", then I could have bought it.  (Certainly, we can barely
even attempt such a thing on that scale today, but at least it would have some
more plausibility for us computer scientists. :-)

>Can't we have a science-fictional plot that's actually based on (*gasp*)
>science instead of Treknology and Technobabble?

Nah.  What would be the fun of that? :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"...I guess I'd rather have mediocre Star Trek then none at all."
				- A friend, about the ST:TNG episode "Legacy"
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Quality of Life (spoilers)-data
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:13:31 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls




In article <1992Nov23.020645.10281@midway.uchicago.edu>, airn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Anthony Airne) writes:
>>Data should be shot.  Who is in charge of the Enterprise, is there a chain
>>of command or not?!  Riker's credibility as a commanding officer hs surely
>>been lost.  What happens if every bridge officer in Starfleet starts 
>>disobeying orders like that?  Well of course it's only a TV show, but this 
>>constant Data Mutiny is wearing thin.
> 
> Hear, hear. Officers should not be excused from following orders just because
> they personally are uncomfortable. If it's not a clear-cut case, that everyone
> in their right minds would agree on, of someone giving an immoral order, they
> should obey first and ask questions later. The fact that Data lucked out, and
> wound up being proven right, doesn't diminish this offense. After all, what
> would have been the cost if the exocomps had been sacrificed? The intelligence
> exhibited by the Exocomps was on a purely animalistic level. If some joker
> introduced a subroutine into the Enterprise computer system that caused it
> to disregard orders that placed the ship itself in jeopardy, would the 
> crew be obliged to stop "using" it as a "tool"? It certainly has all the other
> "life" qualifications that the exocomps possess, in spades.
> 
> And while we're at it, how about court-martials for Riker and Worf for their
> shameful performance in Rascals?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------
> Anthony Airne              	
> (312) 702-4612                 
> airn@midway.uchicago.edu

Sorry, but I have to vehemently disagree with you here.
I would much rather have a German World War II soldier refuse to arrest a
Jew on moral grounds than have him obey the order simply because he was
ordered and because he's in the army.  
Data did the right thing.
\

Steven.K.Manfred
From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: FLAME THE CREATORS
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:44:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Nov21.044418.2104
Organization: NetCom- Cheaper than Compu$erve (isnt everything, though?)

In article <1992Nov20.201810.1653@dct.ac.uk> eesd2ag@dct.ac.uk writes:
>  I was wondering is it possible to send E-MAIL to the 
>creators of ST:TNG. So they could know how much of a flaming they are
>getting ??
>
>Suggestion welcome!

What?! You must be joking! Do you seriously believe, for even an instant,
that the ST creators know anything about REAL tech. (USEnet? What's that?)
They probably think that the Internet is James Bond's employer. So flame
away, ST isn't reading this anyway.

-- 
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Comp Sci & Engr, UCLA     |  but it didn't do a bit o' good."
<linley@netcom.com>       | - Star Dreck, c/o Dr. Demento
<linley@seas.ucla.edu>    |
From: slovick@Apple.COM (Linda Slovick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: The name of the supply ship in "Fistfull.."
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:20:20 GMT
Organization: Slovick Engineering


In article <1992Nov15.011656.65300@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
gcs4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gregory Carl Seibert) wrote: 
>     Does anyone know the name of the supply ship in Fistfull of Data's.  It
>     sounded like the 'Vigo'.  Wasn't that the name of the ship that was
>     destroyed in Hero Worship?  Someone please help me.  I'm SOOOOOOOO
>     confused.

The closed captions had the ship's name spelled "Biko".

Linda Slovick
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From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Subject: Re: Quality of Life (spoilers)-data
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:17:35 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

In article <rawdon.722557713@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>
>I think the real issue here is one we probably will never see addressed in
>TNG:  What would happen if Data did what he did AND PICARD AND LAFORGE DIED
>BECAUSE OF IT?
>
>Of course, TNG *could* address this issue by having some other character
>(e.g., a commodore or admiral or important scientist) die as a result of
>well-meant insubordination on the part of a crewmember as we saw here, but I
>don't think TNG is likely to show one of its characters doing something so
>*gasp* dramatically catastrophic.

Hmmm....such as Data disobeying the pd by answering a little girl's call and
effectively altering the fate of a planet in "Pen Pals"; Worf striking out
on his own and killing Duras, possibly changing the political course of 
a planet in "Reunion"; or Wesley agreeing to submit himself and others to
a dangerous stunt, having a fellow cadet die as a result, and then lie to
Picard and others in "The First Duty?"  Not dramatically catastrophic enough
for you? (-: 
 

-- 
Jose Gonzalez                

                          
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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Pale Face!
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:00:53 GMT

No spoiler intended, but I just re-watched Time's Arrow and when that Indian
(Native American) guy looked at Data and said nice and slow, "Pale Face" I
was rolling on the floor.
From: 00jlrushton@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Tater tots, borg butts, and ? respond
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:47:25 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


Pigs in space metal oink!

Data's new pet!

Did one of the pig act like Miss Piggy... ack


For the one weird question...

Im 10110101101 years old
and my native tongue is quasi-decimal code!

Baby's got borg butt! Heavy metal dude!

Could a metal creature push a nail through a board ?
Yes after it saw Troi's big butt!

signed,

Demartus of Bork bork borg!
No sigs!
No flame!
No sh*t!
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From: ratter@b8.b8.ingr.com (Ray Ratte)
Subject: Re: Fistful o' Datas Comments (Spoilers)
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:41:05 GMT

In the discussion about Worf shooting the gun out of Data's hand what you are
overlooking is the fact that they were following a program. Remember Deanna
said that the program was locked and had to play out to the end. The shootout
between Worf and Data was programmed.
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From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Exocomps, and quality of special effects
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:40:14 GMT
Organization: Nope, just me.
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In article <By6LMB.Gts@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:
>I've read just about every article so far on "The Quality of Life" here,
>and once too many times I've noted someone complaining about the special
>effects regarding the movement of the exocomps. The main comment about
>it is that the special effects for the movement of the exocomps looks
>awful.
>
>I'd just like to point out something about that. Did anyone stop to think
>that it may have appeared like that intentionally? And for good reason?
>Think for a moment.

Just hadda point out -- you're asking a bit much of most r.a.s.c'ers,
here.  :-I

>                    How many humans do you know of that move with perfect
>smoothness? I don't think I know of anyone that just appears to "glide"
>across the floor. For that matter, I don't know of any creature presented
>in ST that just glides, either. The exocomps potentially had a quality of
>being alive, and I think the movements given to them were an attempt to
>show this. Unlike Nomad in "The Changling" (from TOS; someone made a
>reference to it's movement quality), the exocomps were not simply
>highly sofisticated machines, and I think what everyone is considering
>poor effects is actually an attempt to demonstrate this, and one which I
>thought worked very well.

Good point.  I had thought of this, and one other thought: maybe the
anti-grav units (or whatever allows the levitation) on those little
guys weren't perfect.  (What?!  Not perfect?!  How unrealistic!!)
The exocomps were fairly small units, and loaded with lots of other
circuitry and devices (neural net, command pathways, micro-replicator,
communications, sensors and sensor logs, and who-knows-what-else).
Maybe the Doctor didn't have room to stuff a super-duper-perfect
anti-grav unit in there, or maybe she just didn't have one.

Maybe maybe maybe maybe...

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Subject: Trekkies get a life
From: rick.mcbride@the-matrix.com (Rick Mcbride)
Date: 14 Nov 92 22:45:00 GMT
Reply-To: rick.mcbride@the-matrix.com (Rick Mcbride)
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016

as Sharon Moy muttered incoherently to All on 11-09-92  19:19...

 SM> ALL REPLIES IF YOU ARE OUTRAGED TO BE POSTED ON THE NET...I DO NOT
 SM> WANT  MY EMAIL FULL OF YOUR LETTERS.

Too bad. I think you're looking at full E-mail for a while. One should
not throw incendiaries if one minds a little flesh burn... (Translation:
If you don't want your E-Mail swamped...you picked the wrong message for
the wrong newsgroup...too bad I'm linked through a BBS and can't access
the E-Mail <evil grin>

-=.\=-

... Writing to Washington won't help . he's dead!
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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Quality of Season Six (was Re: RASCALS-this is writing?)
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:35:12 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <168A1E383.JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu>, JC924@uacsc2 writes:
>In article <rawdon.721797078@cs.wisc.edu>
>rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
> 
>>lower grade.  Season 6 so far has one quality episode (about half the
>>percentage that each TNG season has had so far), and an even lower grade.
>>
>>My feeling about Season 6 is that, except for the last two episodes, it has
>>been a watchable but not very inspiring season.  The first five episodes were
>>decent, but only one was "good".  However, it wasn't until "True Q" that we
>>encountered a really BAD episode.
>>
>I still don't understand what you consider a "quality episode?"  What are
>you looking for?

What you have to understand is that Mr. Rawdon is rather like Mr. Kanamori,
only not quite so intense.  In particular, he prefers TOS over TNG, and has
a very highly developed ability to find fault with TNG episodes.

Also, Mr. Rawdon has an irrational (IMHO :-) dislike of Q, so it's no
surprise (to me, anyway) that he didn't like "True Q".

That said, I'd have to agree that except for a few (bad) episodes, Season 6
has been watchable but not very inspired.  If you want to know what /I/
think a "quality episode" is (yeah, right) here's a (partial) list:

  Measure of a Man			Q Who
  Elementary, Dear Data			Best of Both Worlds-->Family
  Yesterday's Enterprise		Deja Q
  A Matter of Honor			The Inner Light
  I, Borg				Darmok
  Reunion				The Mind's Eye
  Remember Me

I could probably name more if I had a full episode list handy, but that'll
do for now.  IMHO, not a single episode this season comes close to being
in the same class as any of the above episodes.

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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,soc.men,soc.women
Subject: Re: Beards vs. Make-up
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:46:56 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <By5zs1.H4s@iai.kfk.de> seldner@hdi3sun.kfk.de (David Seldner) writes:
>
>That's an interesting point. Psychologically, men who have beards want to
>hide something, they don't want to "show their face".

Men who shave are ones who are trying to hold on to their youth 
out of a feeling that it was misspent or a have fear of the future 
or maturity.  So, you see, you can interpret shaving as some
psychological fear as well.

BTW, I, myself, am clean shaven and the above statements do not
reflect on me whatsoever ;-).

-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
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