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From: mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "ABU" Lockner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: How about ANIMATED Disney Movies
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:27:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1k4hdoINNghq
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <1993Jan26.215151.23231@leland.Stanford.EDU> inkblot@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas Calvin Cannon) writes:
>In article <1jurrgINN2nj@mozz.unh.edu> ss1@kepler.unh.edu (The Rink) writes:
>>>>Will they EVER release the Balck Cauldron on video?  I've only ever seen
>>>>it once, and would kill to see it again.
>>>
>>>No.  From what I have heard it will probably never be released.  For
>>>different reasons, Song of the South will never be rereleased as well.
>>
>>I understand the reasons behind "Song of the South" (though believe them to
>>be thoroughly unjustified), but what possible reasons could there be for
>>not re-releasing "The Black Cauldron" ?
>
>Just out of curiousity, why isn't Disney re-releasing SotS?  And (of course)
>why, why, why not the Black Cauldron??
>
>T. Cannon
>
>
I have heard it is because the movie portrays Uncle Remus, and other black
characters, in a way that would be deemed "offensive" by today's standards.

Would any Black American rec.arts.disney'ers care to comment? What did you
think of this film?

-Denise
********
"If you can't say something nice..don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPER
From: phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Phase)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: What's with the HOSTILITY? (My first flame-war!)
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:51:55 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

johnc@porsche.cs.rpi.edu (John Colasante) writes:

> 
>    (somehow, methinks this guy is here just to cause trouble!)
> 
> Exactly! This guy [Phase] seems very angry and is just looking
> to contradict anyone. Intelligent debate is one thing but this
> thread isn't worth your time.
> 


 So sorry John. I guess you "Disney Fags"
just can't handle anything but "I love EVERYTHING Disney has ever done!"
to be posted in this newsgroup. I have strong opinions
about the marketing path that Disney is taking, and how it is affecting
thier
 films, but some of you can't even handle a criticism of any Disney product.
No offense to the open-minded and discerning Disney fans who have written
me.

 Am I upset that they are marketing Aladdin for veery cent they can?
No, not for them trying to make money off a popular production. But it has
been pushed over the edge of healthy practice, by the success of The Little
Mermaid. Now disney films are not written and animated and compsoed simply
with the notion of making the finest film possible, Disney breeds films
that are sure to create pop-culture icons of merchandising dollars.
   And I think Aladdin shows the path that Disney films will take.
I have always had great respect for Disneys animated films, but Aladdin
has lowered my respect to only slightly above thier hideous, low quality
as a rule of thumb, modern liveractions trash like Pretty Woman,
Newsies, and the Mighty Ducks and Rocketeer.
 Every inch and facet of Aladdin reaks of the shameless commercialism it was
concieved under. The music, the marketing, the film, it is a MTV era, teen
spirit
shoddy attempt at making money. The whole film was desigend to be an ad.
 Aladdin, unfortunately, comes across to me as a 2 hour commerical!
It has affected the quality of the film immensely. Nuff said.
                                                                         
                                                                         
               
                       phase@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
   y
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: tweek@netcom.com (Michael D. Maxfield)
Subject: Re: Disney Reference in The Simpsons
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:51:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.175341.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>   There was a Disney reference in the last Simpsons. They were
>at the Duff Beer theme park. For one of the rides, they floated on a
>river of beer, which had children of different nations singing about
>Duff Beer along the ride. Just like the Disney ride, "It's a Small World
>After All".

That was no Disney reference.  That was an Atomic bomb compared to a
firecracker as far as references go.  The references in that episode
were to Magic Mountain and (Anheuser) Busch Gardens.  The pokes were
not subtle enough to be called references.... more like sledge hammers...
and what references they were...  Yes, the Small World reference was 
probably the greatest/funiest reference... right down to the guest wanting
to scream `I want out of here!'.  There were also references to the Thunder
Mountain Railroad, the "2 hour wait from this point" signs, Matterhorn, 
The Seven Dwarfs, and much much more.  There also appeared (IMHO) to be a
reference to the rumored Day-Glo Mickey on the wall of the Disney Jail.

Nope, I'm sorry, but I can't agree that it had a reference to Disneyland.
It WAS Disneyland as seen through the eyes of a Disney FAN.  Only the names
had been changed to protect from the lawyers.  The Simpons episode actually
made me wish I would be visiting Dland soon.  

BTW:  It would be quite interesting to hear from any cast members there, if
any of the guests are singing the "Duff Beer" World song in Small World.  
It truely must have had some effect on guests... any guest there talking 
about being the Lizard Queen?

Any Disney Fans out there who saw this episode and disliked it?  I would
be curious to know why.

       tweek@netcom.com  tweek@tweekco.uucp  WWIVNet 5@5058  4@5056 
          I'd rather get my cable service from the phone company,
                than my phone service from the cable company.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Disney features
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:27:13 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <8872@news.duke.edu> anguilla@acpub.duke.edu (Hunganh Nguyen) writes:
>
>	In case anyone doesn't know, Disney routinely produces R rated films
>under the Touchstone label.  This includes films like Billy Bathgate, Down
>and Out in Beverly Hills, Good Morning Vietnam, etc.
>	-Eddie

I noticed a disclaimer at the end of Sister Act (a Touchstone film) that the
film was produced by Walt Disney Pictures for matters of copyright in Great
Britain.  Does Touchstone not exist in GB?  If not, then Disney would be
releasing PG and higher films there...

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From: mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu (Denise "ABU" Lockner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Disney Cast Members (was RE: when does Aladdin hit the UK?)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:53:30 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <C1C260.I6C@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jle37069@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nevoieur the Hunted) writes:
>agarde@nyx.cs.du.edu (Snark) writes:
>
>>A question to any Disney Castmembers who work at the parks.
>>How much does Disney pay basic starting castmembers on the
>>rides, etc. I just ask because I visited Six Flags Over Texas
>>at Xmas, and the staff were very discontent. I wondered if it
>>had anything to do with the wage, which started at $4.25 an hr.
>>The cast at Disneyland were in a different league as to how they
>>treat the guests.
>
>I earned 5.35/hr (US dollars).  Union. Etc.  Tip positions earned less but made good tips (usually).
>As for treatment of guests, well, we are kinda indoctrinated, especially
>when in a position of guest contact.  We go through 3 days of orientation (called something else, but my long term memory is shot) and learn a great deal about Disney philosophy.  Not all Cast Members are content, but then there are over 30,000 cast members in WDW so......
>If nothing else, there are clear avenues for grievances and related matters so
>if there was a problem if COULD be resolved.  Disney was a great company to work for, and I do hope to work for them in the future.  However, it takes a certain
>kind of person to work for them.  Ya just gotta have the right attitude or the
>Pixie Dust wears off.  


At Disneyland, beginning wage for food workers is $5.25/hr., and I think
that all others (custodial, merchandise, attractions, etc.) is $5/hr.
Guest courtesy and the "VIP" treatment is indoctrinated during the 2-day
orientation at Disney University.  Disney is usually right on the mark 
hiring the "right" kind of personality- ones that can take a lot of shit
and still smile and have a good time.  It was really odd for me to be 
working in a place where nearly 30,000 people had the same personality
structure as I do!  True, I remember a few times at 2:30 a.m. scrubbing
out pretzel warmers when the Pixie Dust was definitely absent, but
overall, Cast Members enjoy helping people and seeing people experience
the park.  At least I do. :)

-Denise
********
"If you can't say something nice...don't say nothin' at all." -THUMPER

"There's a great big beautiful tomorrow." -Sherman Brothers
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Subject: Re: Disney Studios Tour?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:41:38 GMT

Denise "ABU" Lockner (mousktr@carson.u.washington.edu) wrote:
> >Does anyone know if the Disney Studios give tours? If not, does anyone have
> >a phone number for the Disney Studios?

> The Disney Studios are closed to anyone who doesn't have a Disney I.D..
> I'm not sure why, as I know many people would love to see the inside
> (not to mention that beautiful "7 Dwarfs" structure on the reflection
> pool by Michael Graves).  However, my guess is that Disney wants to keep
> its TV and movie lots, etc., and its animation department secretive.
> 
> -Denise (WHO HAS A DISNEY I.D.!!  SEEN IT! DONE IT!!)
> ...and who might be persuaded to share her exploits at the Studio...

Oooooooh!  And aren't we all SO excited... Come on!  I've been to the studio.
Big deal. ;)  Ya seen one studio, ya seen 'em all (well, they don't all
have tall buildings with dwarfs as pillars, but what can ya do).  Several
studios don't have any sort of tour... and now that I think about it, I once
saw a tour group walking around the Disney lot, eating in the commissary,
and going through the studio store, so you may be able to book groups for
tours after all. :)  Information at Disney Studios is: (818) 560-1000.
--
	** Ala"ddi"n **

	"There will be riches and magical places
	 A private oasis out there in the sands..."
From: pvl@Cadence.COM (Pete LaMaster)
Subject: Re: Just Saw Alladin...
Followup-To:  pvl@cadence.com
Summary: What does Genie write?
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 18:51:01 GMT


  I just saw Aladdin (for the 5th time) and wondered if anyone had been
able to decipher the Arabic writing during Genie's "You Ain't Never Had..."
number.  It appears two different times:
  1) When he sings: "Let me take your order - jot it down" - his pen
      "zaps" some Arabic onto his order pad.  I apologize if it isn't
      strictly "Arabic" (being PC).
  2) When he sings: "You've got mis-steps 3 miles long, no doubt"
      he pulls a "sheet" from Aladdin's ear - and the sheet has Arabic
      writing on it.

  Has anyone been able to determine if the writing really means anything
or if Disney just filled in something which "looked Arabic"?

  Pete LaMaster - Melbourne, FL (407)722-5801
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: jle37069@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nevoieur the Hunted)
Subject: Re: Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:48:44 GMT

Sleeping Beauty=Bootleg
I have seen a bad copy.  I don't htink it was actually released beyond
home video sale (direct market) or thought stores like BlockBuster.

Last I heard, though, it had NOT been released.  (But it may be the film
that will be rereleased this or next year).

Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: are mermaids fish... the long awaited ANSWER!!!!!
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:22:04 GMT

In <1993Jan27.081507.18169@cs.ruu.nl> hansb@cs.ruu.nl (Hans Bodlaender) writes:

>And here it is, the definitive answer to the burning question:

>Mermaids are, according to centuries old legends, half human, half fish.

>So, why the debate? Isn't what the legend says, the thing we should believe?
>(Unless some of you believe that there really exist mermaids. In that case,
>there is something still to discuss...)

Because according to a certain very popular book which has a revered
status among certain religious people (It's called, as far as I recall,
"The Bible"), the earth is flat, or at the very least, cylindrical.
Now, I hope there are no people out there who still think this is the
case (so where am *I* if I'm on the "bottom"?).  The moral of the story
is, old legends aren't always correct in the light of more recent
discoveries.  (I am working on a remotely plausible theory on the
evolution of merpeople; stay tuned.)

BTW - I *don't* want this to become another flame war about what the
Bible says or doesn't say.  I'm just quoting many apparently
knowledgeable people on this.

>P.S. When you have finished discussing what mermaids are, then, what kind of
>creature is Ursula? ( :-) )

Um. . . . . yeah.  A review in our city's newspaper mentioned her as a
"Deep sea diva".  Time to groan, everybody.

Tim Pickett
From: fmaurais@poincare.WPI.EDU (Francis Maurais)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: MK Club Membership?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:21:45 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
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Originator: fmaurais@poincare.WPI.EDU


My fiancee and I are heading to WDW for our honeymoon (beginning 4/16/93), and 
at work, some sales representative took her business card, and, lo and behold, 
the next day she received a membership in the Magic Kingdom Club. (Is this 
the right name?)  I know it enables us to receive some discounts there, but 
can anyone tell me anything else about it, *good or bad*?

BTW, this will be my first time and my fiancee's fifth(?) I already have the
Unofficial Guide to WDW.

Oh yeah, one other question:  We are interested in the Grand Floridian as the
initial hotel we arrive at... any ideas how far in advance we should make
reservations for honeymoon suites, dinner shows, etc.???

All info is greatly appreciated!!!
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: jle37069@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nevoieur the Hunted)
Subject: Re: Inconsistency in Aladdin.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 00:39:08 GMT

mhw@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mike Murphy) writes:

>In article <90969@bcsaic.boeing.com> vanover@bcsaic.boeing.com (Jann VanOver) writes:
>>jhp@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Jim H. Puga) writes:
>>>
>>>When Aladdin and Princess Jasmine are flying on the carpet
>>>during "A Whole New World," they fly across a full moon(Wonder
>>>which movie that's from?).  Later when the song nears the end,
>>>at the spot where the two hold hands and we see the reflections
>>>of the fireworks on the water, the moon is CRESCENT SHAPED!!
>>>
>>>My only plausible answer is that there was a lunar eclipse going
>>>on.
>>>
>>>Spooky, isn't it?
>>>
>>Yea, this has been discussed quite a bit here.  Someone suggested that
>>they must be travelling fast enough to be in some kind of time warp and
>>that explains the moon bit.  Just keep telling yourself IOADM (It's Only
>>a Disney Movie!)

>Ummmmmmm.. what about the possibility that they're in two different spots when
>the moon is showing (say, Arabia and then China--I can't remember exactly
>where they went), and since the moon's phases would be completely different in
>those two spots... the problem is 

My comment would have to be that when they fly across the full moon, if you look, the moon is NOT full.  It is actually a cresent but perhaps they were so close
that the dark side was also visible.  Have any of you looked at a partial moon on a very clear night and seen more of the moon then what was lit?

If you look at the full moon shot, there is a cresent that is more brightly lit than the rest of the moon.  Perhaps that was the cresent visible from Earth?

just my $.02

Julius Esclamado
jle37069@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
OAS AAS LLS
From: atzachar@unix.amherst.edu (Aladdin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Foreshadowing
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:36:50 GMT
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Joe C Solinsky (vexar@watserv.ucr.edu) wrote:
> I checked my source on this, so it is valid.
> In the bookstore scene in BatB, Belle talks about her favorite book.  She is  
> blatantly describing a prince who disguises himself, mystical powers and  
> far-off places, and enchanting princess locked in a castle and so on.
> Does that sound like anything we've seen?
> I invite people to watch Aladdin for this.  I would bet money there is a  
> foreshadowing of whatever's next in it as well.
> -Joe Solinsky

Interesting idea, but you forgot about 'daring sword fights'.  Think about
this though... a prince in disguise (i.e. the Beast...)
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From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: The Future Disney Cabinet is here!!
Date: 29 Jan 1993 04:12:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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YES! I GET TO DO A VOICE IN A MOVIE!  I GET TO TO A VOICE IN A SERIES!
I'M A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE SEAN SQUIER DISNEY TEAM!  I GET A VERY
COMFORTABLE SALARY!  

Thank you, Mr. Squier, for your offer of a position with the future
Walt Disney-Sean Squier Co.  I am extrememly flattered by your 
generosity.  Geez, who'd have thought you could get so much just
by typing an obnoxious post on a newsgroup.
"When you wish upon a star..."
Linda
-- 
"This is my quest, to follow that star, no matter how hopeless, no matter how
far!"------The Impossible Dream, "Man of La Mancha"
"The Lord lives!  Praise be to my Rock!  Exalted be God my Savior!"
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: Jodi Benson. [1/4]
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:35:30 GMT

In <1993Jan20.034218.15012@news.acns.nwu.edu> ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung) writes:

>		rants on and on about Ariel.  I mean, how come noone has a
>		Paige O'Hara GIF? :-) ).

It's *coming*!  Hold yourself!

Tim.
From: lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: "Herman's Head" Voice Question
Date: 26 Jan 1993 07:16:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I don't know about the man who does a Simpson's voice, but I do know
that Babs Bunny and Gadget from Rescue Rangers are both voiced by 
Tress MacNeil.  If that's the name of the actress on Herman's Head, then
it's her.  If not, then it's not.  Profound, ain't it? :-)
Linda
The Vast Reservoir of Useless Information 
That Only Serves Me In Places Like This
(If only I knew my class material this well)
-- 
"This is my quest, to follow that star, no matter how hopeless, no matter how
far!"------The Impossible Dream, "Man of La Mancha"
"The Lord lives!  Praise be to my Rock!  Exalted be God my Savior!"
					------Psalms 18:46
From: quetzal@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Re: Disney Women:Face & Figure
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:19:50 GMT

In <C1A2BA.A4H@news2.cis.umn.edu> amberle@staff.tc.umn.edu (Amberle S Ferrian) writes:

>No.  He's *MINE*.  All *MINE*.  And I'm *NOT* sharing!  You want him, you'll
>have to go through my dead body!
><pout pout grin> :-)

>Amberle Ferrian     <amberle@epx.cis.umn.edu>
>	#include "big_smilie_for_the_humor_impaired.h"!!!

Wow! a C programmer too.

And, yes squid, that's exactly what I was thinking.  Assuming Amberle
here isn't just sending us all up (a pretty farfetched assumption, but,
hey, what the hell) I just have to say that this does sound *awfully*
familiar. . .

Tim Pickett, who is also hairy.
From: cq656@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian D. Soriano)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Posting test: looking for tanida
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:39:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hi--

It's been a while since I've gotten access to USENET...I hope
my account is working now. Anyways, I'm posting to see if either
Tom Tanida or Kathy Li are still newsgroup regulars here.

The other thing I'm wondering is if someone has compiled a list
of all the thigs the genie has impersonated in 'Aladdin'--can
anyone out there e-mail me a response so I know this 
posting worked? Thanks!

-Brian Soriano
From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: TRON is for sale...
Date: 21 Jan 93 05:23:01 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <93019.095928LAURA@UCF1VM.BITNET> LAURA@UCF1VM.BITNET (Laura Kittleson) writes:
>TRON is available for purchase through one of the bazillion catalogs
>I get, I think it's Critic's Choice Video.  The title of the catalog
>is the one thing I didn't write down but here's all the other info:
>
>TRON is order number CVDIS000122, price is $19.99.  The number to
>call is 800/367-7765.  The listing said it wouldn't be available
>before 2/12, but when I ordered it the other night they didn't say
>anything about a hold.
>
>--Laura Kittleson
>laura@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu

This is obviously the VHS tape. Can anyone please tell me if this is a
REMASTERED version without the same scratches in the print at the reel
changes or the same master in a different box. If it's the same, I'm
keeping my laser disc import of it (still pan & scan).

If anyone EVER hears of a remastered letterboxed version, PLEASE post it
here.

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From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: 8mm Tapes
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:01:28 GMT
Organization: MegaCorp Central Complex

brian.colter@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Brian Colter)  writes:

>RL>There are (or at least there were) adapters so you can play 8mm tapes
>RL>in a VHS player - this assures that the quality won't be that of a
>RL>copy.  It also won't present any potential legal problems, since
>RL>you're watching the original.

>There is NO WAY you could ever play an 8mm tape on a VHS player (or
>vice-versa).  You can transfer 8mm to VHS (and back again) as all NTSC
>Video Recorders produce a compatible signal.

>But the physical format of the recording process is different for each
>format.

I think Rafi was thinking of VHS-C cassettes, which are about the size of
Video-8 tapes (though thicker), and have such adapters.
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