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From: meskanen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Meskanen Kaarina)
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Subject: Wild Bill Hickock
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:46:30 GMT
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Please, can somebody help me out on this one?...:-)
I am writing a paper on Ishmael Reed's novels, here in Finland, and as he is 
American it is sometimes hard to find all the info you need to  apply it to 
the books. I should compare the life of Wild Bill Hickock to the life of 
Loop Garoo kid in Reed's nove "Yellow Back Radio Broke Down", but the 
problem is that there is no info on Wild Bill Hickock around at the 
libraries. Could someone email me info on this character? Just something on 
him so I can apply it to the story of Loop Garoo!
My email address is: MESKANEN@KATK.HELSINKI.FI
			Thanks, Kaarina
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From:         "Andrea H. Swank" <C534357@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject:      re: pre-verbal child as narrator?
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chapter XI of Mary Shelley's _Frankenstein_ has the monster describing his very
 first hours--"It is with considerable difficulty tht I remember the original e
ra of my being: all the events of that period appear confused and indistinct. A
 strange miltiplicity of sensations seized me, and I saw, felt, heard, and smel
t, at the same time. . ." and so on.  If not a child in the full sense, at leas
t a being just created.  And we could even argue the child part--the monster is
 clearly the "child" of the creator, and with the child imagery running thru
Mary Shelley's intro. . .    hope it helps

Andrea H. Swank  <c534357@umcvmb.missouri.edu>
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: benjy, joyce

On Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:12:00 PDT Michael Bruce McDonald said:
>. . . . and even if we agree that this section of *sound and
>fury* is wonderful, don't we sense Faulkner's presence all along? do we ever
>think benjy *apart* from his creator?
>
I don't, and I do think of Benjy apart from Faulkner.  In fact, I generally
don't think of Faulkner while reading Faulkner; my sense of him as a person is
always quite quite different from my sense of his characters.
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From:         "Paul G, Beidler" <pgb3@LEHIGH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pre-Verbal Child As Narrator?
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Try James's _What Maisie Knew_.  I think she's about six when the novel
begins, and maybe thirteen at the end?

                                            Paul
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From:         naomi seeger <ECZ5SEE@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Asimov

according to NPR, he died this morning at new york university hospital, of
heart and liver problems.  they did a short piece on him, mentioning his
astounding and fantastic output, as well as his many books.  they didn't
really get into some of his non-genre productions, like _asimov's guide to
the bible_, but they did glance at his lasting contributions to sf.

a nice thing they mentioned was a quote where he said he wasn't afraid
of death, having imagined so very much, and so many different things.

my sense of the piece was that the writer was a cultural anthropologist,
rather than anyone who'd been a fan.  they said he made robots more human,
but neglected to mention the laws.  mentioned the all-time best trilogy
hugo for foundation trilogy, but no speculation of its appeal.  maybe
they were trying to avoid the same old obit every other news agency would
file.  i just remember being surprised by what they left out.  and it may
have been due to the fact that i was slogging through traffic at that
point, but mr. walmart's obit, which followed asimov's, seemed quite a
bit longer.

naomi seeger

>
> Randy
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From:         "Paul G. Beidler" <pgb3@LEHIGH.EDU>
Subject:      education
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I am interested in working as a high-school teacher in Miami or Coral Gables,
Florida.  I have a Masters in English, and I want to start in the fall.  Could
any of you down there in Florida put me in touch with someone or let me know
who I should write to for information?  Could any of you, perhaps, send me the
addresses of individual schools down there?  It would be a big help.  Thanks!

                                                    Paul G. Beidler
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Subject:      Re: Wild Bill Hickock

>I should compare the life of Wild Bill Hickock to the life of
>Loop Garoo kid in Reed's nove "Yellow Back Radio Broke Down", but the
>My email address is: MESKANEN@KATK.HELSINKI.FI
>                       Thanks, Kaarina

Wild Bill Hickock (what I know of him) : rough and tumble character,
lived in the same area / era as Wyatt Earp and Billy the Kid; favourite
gun was a 12-inch .45 Colt (manufacturers: Sam Colt & Progeny) which
did not have a foresight (You had to squint down the barrel, which was
it had to be 12-inch long to be reasonably accurate) ; cowboy and
general roughneck ; reported to be a either a gentleman or a rogue,
all reports were notoriously inaccurate. May have spent a term as
Sheriff / Marshall. I think he died in his sleep but don't trust my
memory on any of these facts.

Subrat
Trieste, Italy
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:42:59 CST
From:         "Matt Johnson" <CC64@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Travel, Kerouac Style.

> People tend to associate this book with Jack Kerouac's style of writing in
> regards to travel logs.
>
Could someone please send me some information on Jack Kerouac.  Is he an
author?  I have heard the name before, and if he has written some
fiction on traveling, I might find it interesting.

   Thanks,

    -Matt





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From:         Michael Ernest <MERNEST@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Travel, Kerouac Style.

Perhaps you're thinking of _Western Journal_

Michael Ernest
mernest@kentvm
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From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: camille pal-lya
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*Mr.* McDonald!  Your mother needs to wash your computer out with soap.
What would your mother think of such words?  Not to mention your cub
scout leader and minister?


On Wed, 8 Apr 1992, Michael Bruce McDonald wrote:

> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:30:00 PDT
> From: Michael Bruce McDonald
> Subject: Re: camille pal-lya
> To: Multiple recipients of list LITERARY <LITERARY@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu>
>
> It takes about 18 seconds.  Too f***ing bad!  We're not here to guarantee
> your interests, bud.  *Be* interesting, and others will follow.
>
> Irascibly,
> Michael Bruce McDonald
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Date: Sunday, 5 Apr 1992 21:46:13 MST
From: J MICHAEL ALLEN <HISJMA@BYUVM.BITNET>
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Subject: Re: HELP ME TRACE A QUOTE

Don--

I don't know where the quote comes from, but if I were looking for it, I
would consult Anthony W. Shipps, THE QUOTE SLEUTH: A MANUAL FOR THE TRACER
OF LOST QUOTATIONS (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1990).

I don't have the book (curses!), or I would sleuth it out for you.


--J. Michael Allen  <hisjma@vm.byu.edu  OR  hisjma@byuvm.bitnet>
Department of History
Brigham Young University
Provo UT  84602
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:56:41 EDT
From:         Nicholas Traenkner <NTRAENKN@KENTVM.BITNET>

there is no subject heading as well there should not be! since this letter is w
ithout much subject but with much substance...


           "The study of literature begins and ends with
            the student. The authors studied are merely a
            mirror of words and symbols, painted to reflect
            the thoughts and minds of the reader. In
            the study of literature, we essentially study
            ourselves, and in the study of ourselves we are
            finished upon realization of what we have been
            studying."
                      -Traenkner

                 Thus I leave the studying, and enter the world of
            painters of mirrors and ghosts of words.


      alleluia!
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From:         Randy Money <LIBRBM@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Pre-Verbal Child As Narrator?

I think that's _Edwin Mulhouse_ by Steven Millhauser.  My
spelling of both may be way off, of course.

Randy
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From:         RBLEILER@PRIME.MHSL.UAB.EDU
Subject: re: Pre-verbal narrators
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Small Assassin by Ray Bradbury.

Richard Bleiler
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From:         SASPDM@MVS.SAS.COM
Subject: Re: Asimov
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naomi -- you are right to wonder why so much was left
out of this a.m.'s Morning Edition (NPR) obit for Asimov, but part
of the problem was most likely preparation.  I'm guessing today's
All Things Considered will have a fuller, better-written look at
Asimov's life and work and influence.

Priscilla
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From: joann@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Jo Ann Malina)
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Subject: Re: Pre-Verbal Child As Narrator?
Date: 12 Apr 92 07:03:09 GMT
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On Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:05:31 EDT Tom Frenkel said:
>Does anyone out there know of a novel with an "I" who is a young
>child?  I mean *really* young... pre-verbal, or almost so (I realize
>there is some kind of contradiction here, but...)  I am thinking of
>something along the lines of _Sound and the Fury_, but with a child
>narrating instead of someone who's mentally deficient.
>    Thanks!  --Tom
>

Gunther Grass' Tin Drum?

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From:         Leonard T Roberts <ACC00LTR@UNCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: hyperion
              9 Apr 1992 08:05:08 SET from <S573980@UNI-BOCCONI.IT>

On Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:05:08 SET MARCO BRAMBINI said:
>some times i red some mail about _Hyperyon_written by Simmons
>could some good fellow tell me briefly what it deals with.
>thank you all.
>
>           Marco Brambini

OK Marco, I'll give it a try. _Hyperion_ is the story of a group of
seven pilgrims who are making the Pilgrimage of the Shrike. _Hyperion_
tells the story of why each pilgrim is making the journey. It is possibly
the best science fiction of the decade.

_Hyperion_ has a sequel, _The Fall of Hyperion_, which is the story of
what happens to each of the pilgrims. I reccommend the books highly.
Is that brief enough? Read the books.

Len
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:09:34 EDT
From:         Anne Diffily <ADBAM@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Pre-Verbal Child As Narrator?

>Does anyone out there know of a novel with an "I" who is a young
>child?  I mean *really* young... pre-verbal, or almost so...

The only pre-verbal narrative (yeah, talk about contradictions!)
that I can recall is the opening chapter of Joyce's _Portrait of
the Artist_, when Stephen is a toddler.

Others:
     _To Kill a Mockingbird_ by Harper Lee.  (Scout, the
         narrator, is a very young girl, maybe about 7?)
     _Edwin Millhouse_ or is it _Mullhouse_ or it is *by* someone
         named Mullhouse....  I'm confused!  Anyway, this is
         a quirky little novel narrated by a young boy.

I seem to recall that one of the Canadian women authors has
written a novel in recent years narrated by a young girl, but
I can't remember which author or what novel.  I'm so helpful! :-)

    - Anne
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From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      encyclopedic flames

Oliver, i see your point, but wouldn't the logical outcome of your statement
be something like, "don't talk to me, just read the darn book," and wouldn't
such a conclusion suggest something other than *doing* this sort of list?

it's true that most of the info on wild Alfred Hiccup and Cadillac Jack
Kerouac we've seen could be found in some sort of reference work, but i
for one enjoy the folkloric manner whereby *certain* facts and references
come via *certain* people; thus, even when i'm a bit bored by the fifth
reference to "buried feet up, camera down in Deadwood," i usually will find
something in a post which conveys the flavor of the person, and i find this
to be of value . . . but then, you're in Germany, and perhaps there's an
added expense just for doing the net that i'm unaware of . . . by the way,
how is the spring in your part of beautiful southern Germany?

MM
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Subject:      Re: camille pal-lya

It takes about 18 seconds.  Too f***ing bad!  We're not here to guarantee
your interests, bud.  *Be* interesting, and others will follow.

Irascibly,
Michael Bruce McDonald
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From:         The.Fat.Man.Rocks@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
Subject:      get me off
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i would like to please please please be removed from this list.
thank you very much
dave
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:02:04 EDT
From:         "Paul G, Beidler" <pgb3@LEHIGH.EDU>
Subject:      Joyce
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Anybody on THIS list know of any Joyce conferences coming up in the next year
or so that take place in either western Canada or eastern US?  I'm interested
in submitting something on "A Painful Case."

Thanks.

                                                        Paul
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Date: 6 Apr 92 17:53:47 GMT
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	Asimov is DEAD????
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Peter--
Our system frequently gives me misleading messages about my non-system
mail's not being sent, so at the rishk of being repetitious, I will re-
peat my message to you--and add one additional appreication--i.e., of
your frowning face.  The repeat follows:
Ever since your Friday afternoon reply to my plea for help in finding
the parody involving *, I have intended to convey my joy at finding
someone out there.  And while--as you pointed out--Nathan is not what
I seek, I want you to know his remark is certainly in the tradition
and the proper spirit!  And I appreciate your sharing it enormously.
Carol
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From:         naomi seeger <ECZ5SEE@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      re: pre-verbal child as narrator?

i don't know if the other suggestions fit too well, their kids are mostly
all into the verbal stage.  r.a. macavoy's _twisting the rope_ has a pre-
verbal child who nonetheless makes his needs known.  not a narrator, or
main character, but still pivotal.  but you are aware of him through his
effect on others.

writing a pre-verbal narrator?  reminds me of last night's zen story,
shower of flowers.  subhuti was a disciple of buddha and he understood
emptiness.  he was meditating one day under a tree, flowers started
falling all around him and the gods spoke to him.  "this is in thanks
for your discourse on emptiness."  "but i have said nothing," replied
subhuti.  "you have not spoken, and we have not heard.  this is in
thanks for your discourse on emptiness."  and the flowers rained down.

i didn't get the words quite right, but i think you'll maybe get the
idea.  how can you put in a form something whose very distinguishing
quality is its lack of that form?  or was that the idea behind your
request?

naomi
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From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      camille pal-lya

naomi, i've heard many folks pronounce paglia's name italian style, but
the ultimate test, of course, would be hearing *her* pronounce it.  i, for
one, am interested in discussing her ideas sans rants, and i would be
particularly interested in what *you* have to say, as i always find your
rants (no, put that under erasure! . . . i mean posts!) *most* interesting.
thanks for the zen story (last night's? read to children? declaimed by your
senzi? what gives?) . . . you've dealt with the pre-verbal narrator oxymoron
much more graciously than I have . . . empty flowers of hypertext are *now*
falling all around you . . .

Michael Bruce McDonald
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              15 Apr 1992 10:46:30 GMT from <meskanen@KATK.HELSINKI.FI>

I do not know much about that guy.
Except that he was shot in Deadwood , South Dakota, during a poker game.
You might want to check books on South Dakota - or the American Midwest.
You should have some kind of biographical dictionary ther at you University.
Or maybe an encyclopedia Americana or Britannica.
That's where I would check.
Calamity Jane would be another name to look for.
She was at least in contact with Hickhock for some time... if not more.
I stood at their graves on Boot Hill in Deadwood, they were pretty close
together...
Hope that helps a little.
Oliver

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From:         "A.J. Wright" <MEDS002@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: encyclopedic flames

Your complaint about use of reference books to answer a question rather than
the list brings to mind something that studies in the library and information
science literature have been confirming for years about information seeking
behavior---people will naturally take WHAT THEY PERCEIVE as the easiest route
to the information they need. Faculty will call a colleague halfway around
the world to get the answer to a question that a short walk and a few minutes
in the library would have answered just as easily. Human nature, doncha know!

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Subject:      Re: Pre-Verbal Child As Narrator?

1950's scifi story by Theodore Sturgeon, "And Baby Makes Three," later expanded
   to a novel.  Narrator a precocious infant psi talent (blind, deaf, mute).
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Subject:      Re: Wild Bill Hickock

Reply-to: Tim.Bowden@p0.f509.n216.z1.fidonet.org (Tim Bowden)
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Let me just try this off the top of my head.  Watch me, there'll be
no research.

Bill Hickok was a scout and Native American fighter and actual real-
time marshal of places at the end of the cattle drives like Hayes
City and Dodge City, Kansas.  He was renouned as a pistol shot, but
some of the circumstances of killings he performed were contested
by some of the more sober historians.  Less Front-Street-At-High-
Noon of western lore and more mobster rubout, by those accounts.

Wore long golden hair and frilly blouses and a long frock coat.
Considered by some, years or miles away, as effeminate.  Was
making his living gambling up in the gold country of the Black
Hills, place called Deadwood, when Broken-nose Jack McCall found
him facing the wrong way over a game of cards.  Rumor was that
McCall was a drunk paid by local casino owners either to protect
their interests or as the result of old grudges.  I believe they
lost interest before they got around to hanging old Jack, but I
don't remember for sure.

I believe Hickok drew his final hand in 1878, two years after
Custer, and three before OK Corral and the demise of both
Jesse James and Billy the Kid.  Bad years for bad men.

Now I'll go look it up....

Cheers.

-Tim
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