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From:         JOURL205@KSUVXA.KENT.EDU
Subject:      After da credits...

There was a post concerning the scene run after the credits in "Kentucky Fried
Movie" with Carrie Fisher.  I think that was actually in "Amazon Women on the
Moon," not in "KFM".
                                -Ryan S. Leasher.
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:49:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: H Ellison

>curry spiced monkey brains...

Hmmm. "Harlan Ellison" is *almost* an anagram of "Hannibal Lecter."

kjf-
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:28:19 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Woody Allen

>To have this sad affair played out before the world as some cheap,
>tabloid expose demeans us all.  It is such an utterly depressing
>episode that it seems to have sprung right out of the pages of Thomas
>Hardy.

I for one am fascinated by human behavior, whether of the people I
know or the rich and famous or even the historical.  And I find this
Woody Allen episode especially fascinating, probably because my
impression of him has been that he leads a rather circumspect, ascetic
life.  Interestingly, some of his films of late reflect a
preoccupation with moral choices (Alice, Hannah and Her Sisters, that
one about the guy who murders his mistress).  If anything, I would say
he is disapproving of "immorality" (for lack of a better term) because
it can cause great sadness and hurt.

As to comparing the situation to a Thomas Hardy plot, from what else
does great (and also pulp) literature stem but life?  People who claim
to hate gossip had better stop reading fiction and going to movies
because it is all an examination of human behavior in some form or
another.  I wouldn't wish this incident on any of the principals --
especially Mia Farrow, if the reports of events are true -- but
the drama is enthralling.

Jennifer Porro

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Subject:      Bertrand Tavernier
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Hi,

I need info on Bertrand  Tavernier, especially a list of his films.

Thanks
       jh

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From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      David Lynch info
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	_Fire, Walk with Me_ starts *next* Friday, August 28th.  Expect
TV appearances from Kyle, Bowie, and Lynch over the next few weeks.
Christopher Lishka reviewed this film on rec.arts.movies about a month
ago (it evidently opened early in Europe) and panned it.

	Personally, I think Lynch makes some of the most interesting
visual, visceral films around.

-scott
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From: mtgreen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Green)
Subject: Re: AFTER THE CREDITS ROLL...
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:30:29 GMT

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this already, but how about in "Kentucky
Fried Movie" when they run an entire scene after the credits.  Just to job
your memories, the scene, which was shot in old time black and white 
had Carrie Fisher as a small town girl who goes to the big city and contracts
a venereal disease.

Michael Green



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From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      movies, politics, incest, Shakespeare, family values

A couple of movies to ease election season info-overload:

                THE BEST MAN,  from a Gore Vidal play,

                THE CANDIDATE,  Redford runs -- but is he happy?

As for, uh, incest -- if repressed incestuous feelings count,
you can't do better than Hamlet's discussion with ma Gertrude.

Of course, I might misunderstand Shakespeare.

Maybe the scene is really about Family Values.

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From:         Mashoed Bailie <MBAILIE@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Woody's woody, & the cabana boy

Woody do it if he had it all to do over again?

Mas
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:23:51 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Film adaptation bibliography (in progress)

Here are a few other additions to the bibliography, culled from our own
collection.  Can't make any claims for them though, since I haven't reviewed
them.  I agree with another posted comment, however, that _Literature and
film: an annotated bibliography, 1900-1977_ (Garland, 1981) is a good source
to check for further literature within its timescope.

(Come to think of it, half these titles may be in that book already...)

Boyum, Joy Gould.  Double Exposure: fiction into film.  New York: New American
  Library, 1985.
Kittredge, William and Steven M. Krauzer.  Stories into Film.  New York:
  Harper & Row, 1979.
Marcus, Fred H., comp.  Film and Literature: contrasts in media.  Scranton, NJ:
  Chandler Pub. Co., 1971.
Wagner, Geoffrey.  The Novel and the Cinema.  Rutherford, NJ: Fairleigh
  Dickinson Univ. Press, 1975.

Jeff Clark
James Madison Univ.
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 08:38:05 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Grifters, etc.

Rick,
I appreciated your insights into The Grifters, especially the
scene with Roy & Myra, and no, you weren't boring us all.

Talking about the incest stuff in this movie, as well as the
recent gossip about Woody Allen, has got me wondering about
the portrayal of incest in the movies.  Obviously, there hasn't
 been an abundance of "film treatment" of this topic, but
there has been some.  One film I remember being really
surprised by (maybe because it was on TV) had Suzanne Pleshette
as a mother who uses her son kind of as a stopgap measure
bbetween her spouses and boyfriends.  I don't recall the title
or the actor who played the son, but I remember thinking it
was pretty well done.

Do you folks know this movie or others?  I guess I'm thinking
of movies other than the Something about Amelia genre, which
is pretty much a PSA about sexual abuse.

--Anjani
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Subject: Re: Technical

It's been a looooooong time since I've had a production class, but isn't there
a process called chromakey where you film something and the computer removes a
certain color from the film - usually blue-  so, for example if you are wearing
a blue shirt, it will show up as a blank image. Then another image is projected
where the "blank blue" spaces were originally?  Is anyone familiar with this
process?  Can you explain it better?

Ellen
Penn State
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From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: We mustn't say Potato Head...

>From:  Mary Shaffer
>
>
>Before we leave the subject of the Republican convention entirely, did anyone
>notice Bruce Willis and Demi Moore in the VIP section of the Astrodome during
>the first night? I thought it was pretty funny considering Moore's infamous
>Vanity Fair covers (naked and pregnant, naked in a painted tuxedo) and given
>the emphasis on "morality". I didn't see a lot of the convention so I don't
>know if they appeared again. Anybody know or have any thoughts on this?
>
>Thanks,
>Mary

 Gee, is this the same Hollywood elite that Quayle keeps complaining about?

--Gayle Gleason
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From:         Joan Crenshaw <3714P@NAVPGS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Books on Tape

Anjani,
   I was introduced to Books on Tape through a friend who swears by them.
She rents them with several friends to keep the cost down.  I listened to
two and enjoyed them very much, but never got any further.  I will have to try
the library!
   By the way, continuing the PSA for Libraries in general, the Monterey
Public Library began charging a use fee for out-of-city residents 1 July 92.
It's $50 a year.  Prior to that, any Monterey County resident could use the
Monterey Library for free.  Makes me wonder how much longer the libraries will
remain free.  I have visions of myself as this little old lady in tennies
panhandling for library fees!
                              Joan Crenshaw
                              Monterey, California (the IOU State)
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From:         MANUEL FERNANDEZ <txm.txmkb@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Cine Mexicano

  Re hi to all$ Hola a todos$

There is a new movie called "Los Bandidos". The director of this
film is very young (I don't recall the name), and very talented.
He went to Hollywood to make his film, because he didn't find
support in Mexico (I wonder why), and it was there were the movie
was made. I haven't seen it, but I know that is about two
young boys during the Mexican Revolution.
BY the way, it is rumored, because the Reborn Era of Mexican
Cinema, and the acceptance of some of the last films made down
here, there are 20 new movies, that are about to be released
during this year. They are supposed be great. Lets hope they
are.
It would be nice if the interest and quality of our producers
grew, as well as the international distribution of their films.


Arex
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From:         "Mike.Simmons" <20676MES@MSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Bob Roberts

Joan...
Is that really an exact quote by ole Danny boy?!  He has said some very stupid
things before but that takes the proverbial cake!!

This of course is a totally non-cinema related post!
Mike
MSU.
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From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Bruce & Demi

Re Republican convention:
>did anyone notice Bruce Willis and Demi Moore in the VIP section of
>the Astrodome . . .  I thought it was pretty funny considering
>Moore's infamous Vanity Fair covers (naked and pregnant, naked in a
>painted tuxedo) and given the emphasis on "morality" .  .  .  I
>didn't see a lot of the convention so I don't know if they appeared
>again.  Anybody know or have any thoughts on this?

This is one of the reasons why this "family values" thing is such a
potential quagmire.  Who is going to define what the term means?  We
already know it is un-family-values-like to have a child out of
wedlock (Murphy Brown).  But maybe it is okay to appear naked and
pregnant on the cover of a national magazine if you conceived the
child in wedlock.  Will Bruce and Demi be asked not to endorse
Bush/Quayle?  Is it okay to beat your kids if you and your mate are
legally married, are pro-life, hate homosexuals, and go to church
every week?  This could lead to a real witch hunt (again, shades of
Nazism) -- will the Republican Party have to police its supporters to
make sure of their family-values correctness?

Jennifer Porro

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From:         Debbie Scheibal <DPDS@SIUEMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      wild at heart

Adrian et all:

In response to your question; in addition to the obvious (Cheryl Lee as
Glinda the good witch, Lula clicking her heels together 3 times, Lula's
momma melting at the end) WILD AT HEART does compare to OZ, the age-old
good-vs-evil trip, gratuitious violence- ok, so no munchkins, but plenty
of frontal nudity.I can't think of any specific OZ scenes that come to
mind, but let me know what images took you over.  I've only seen WILD AT
HEART about 4 times, so I might have missed some nuances.

lauri b
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Subject:      Re: movies, politics, incest, Shakespeare, family values

Subj:   movies, politics, incest, Shakespeare, family values

>A couple of movies to ease election season info-overload:
>
>                THE BEST MAN,  from a Gore Vidal play,
>
>                THE CANDIDATE,  Redford runs -- but is he happy?

Along these same lines, a film which has perennial relevance to election
year politics: THE RAINMAKER, starring Burt Lancaster, Katherine
Hepburn, Wendell Corey, Lloyd Bridges, Earl Holliman, and Walace Ford.
Directed by Joseph Anthony.  A little rhetoric and a soapbox can make
miracles.

j-man
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From: smith@panther.adelphi.edu (Jim Smith)
Subject: Re: Do the right thing
Organization: Adelphi University Swirbul Library
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:04:06 GMT

In article <CINEMA-L%92081117140085@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET> writes:

>If someone could post the two quotations by 

>MLK Jr.
"Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and 
immoral.  It is impractical because is a descending spiral ending in 
destruction for all.  The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone 
blind.  It is immoral because it seeks to humilliate the opponent rather 
than win his understanding; it seeks to annihilate rather than to convert.  
Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love.  It 
destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible.  It leaves society in 
monologue rather than dialogue.  Violence ends by defeating itself.  It 
creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers."


>and Malcolm X
"I think there are plenty of good people in America, but there are also 
plenty of bad people in America and the bad ones are the ones who seem to 
have all the power and be in these positions to block things that you and I 
need.  Because this is the situation, you and I have to preserve the right 
to do what is necessairy to bring an end to that situation, and it doesn't 
mean that I advocate violence, but at the same time I am not against using 
violence in self-defense.  I don't even call it violence when it's self-
defense, I call it intellingence."

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From: lishka@dxcern.cern.ch (Christopher Lishka)
Subject: Re: David Lynch info
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:41:51 GMT

In <9208201723.14060.0@win.icl.co.uk> Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK> writes:

	>Do you have a copy of Chris's review (Chris, are you still
	>here?) which you could forward to me (or the list)?

Ask and you shall receive.  I will post my original review to this
group right after I finish this followup.

I'm still lurking in the dark corners of the list.  I haven't had much
time to read this group lately, as work has been heavy.


	>I remember a post from months back in which Chris seemed very
	>critical of _Blue Velvet_ and _Wild at Heart_.

Hmmm... I certainly have been critical of _Wild at Heart_ (which I
thought failed miserably, although there were several great moments).
But _Blue Velvet_?  I quite liked that film.  It did contain some very
uneasy scenes of violence and sex, but I still was completely amazed.
I can't listen to the "sandman" song anymore without thinking of the
film's version of the song.  And the scene where the cops (?) burst
into the apartment is one of the most bizarre images I ever seen on
film. 

When Lynch is good, he is great, and I think _Blue Velvet_ is one of
his best films (along with _The Elephant Man_ and _Eraserhead_).
However, Lynch has been going over the top in his recent movies, and I
much prefer his "restrained" material.  I prefer it when he *hints* at
shady happenings, rather than graphically portraying them.


	>			Liam.    (Still hoping for the conclusion
	>			====-     of _Twin Peaks_ someday...)

Well, I don't think it really is a spoiler to say that the upcoming
film *does* wrap-up the series is a small, minor way.

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From:         David M Stein <STEIN@LTUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: "Tune In Tomorrow..."

Rick,

  I loved "Tune In Tomorrow..." but I have found that many people haven't
seen it.. it's probably a lousy Albainian Plot! (NOTE: Please no flames,
this is an in joke from the movie)

  Peter Falk is marvelous.  Keeanu Reeves just gets better and better and
Barbara Hershey can be my Aunt Julia anyday!

Dave
Stein

"Walking in Sunshine"
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From:         AN04000 <AN04@SIUEMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lynch

> He also wrote a sequel called the story of Sailor and Lula (Or some
> variation thereof) - David Lynch read WILD AT HEART in galleys before it
> was published and decided immediately to do a film - In fact the publication
> of the novel and the release of the film happened on almost the same day.
I wonder if DL has a sequel in the works...I'm not sure how WILD AT
HEART fared commercially, but that has sure never deterred filmmakers
before!It would be really interesting to follow Sailor and Lula down
the yellow brick road.  Too bad they killed off Harry Dean Stanton  (as
Momma's main squeeze).  He was excellent in REPO MAN.

Also, the whole WOODY incident is mind-boggling.  It's not something one
would expect from him..he & Mia seemed happy with their family.  I think
it's important not to pre-judge until all the facts are in; then every-
one can pass sentence.
-lauri b
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Subject:      Re: Woody Allen

kjf

>>Isn't the real shame that it has to be played out in
>>front of the world?

>Not to mention in front of CINEMA-L.

>Does this mean Woody is an asshole?

   Well, if we're going to place bets on that, I know where my money will be!

                  Joan Crenshaw
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From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: viewer survey

I don't recall the Midler film with the credits humor, but don't forget also
the credit scroll in Joe Dante's _Gremlins 2_.  Daffy Duck puts in two appear-
ances there, saying something like "Boring, isn't it?" the first time, then
"Still here?  Don't you people have homes??"  --Perhaps the ultimate double-
edged compliment to and condemnation of credit-lovers (like me, too) and
credit-abusers.

Jeff Clark
James Madison Univ.
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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Subject: Re: Movie/video differences: Star Trek VI
Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu
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Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:05:43 GMT
Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info

Penny Ward <UNCPEW@UNC.BITNET> writes:

>Another instance of the video release being different from the
>theatrical release of a movie:  Star Trek VI.  I watched the
>video with my husband, who'd seen it in the theater.  During
>one scene fairly early in the movie, Rene Auberjenois (sp?)
>appears as a Federation officer--a scene not in the film.
>And...

>***SPOILER BELOW REVEALS ENDING OF STAR TREK VI*****


















>******SPOILER************
>In the climactic scene where the assassination attempt has just been
>foiled and the Clingon or Romulan gunman killed, a mask is pulled off
>the gunman to reveal that he's not an alien, but Federation officer
>Auberjenois.  Again, my marital unit says that this was not in the film.

>Can anyone confirm this?  I wonder why these very brief scenes were cut
>from the film in its theatrical run?

    Yup I can confirm that this two scenes were not in the theatrical
release of the move, which I happen to see twice. As for why they were
included originally, I really don't know. It could have been for almost
any reason. Perhaps they were looking to have the theater release be a
certain length and cutting these scenes got them under their mark.

--
-Hades (Brian V. Hughes) Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info
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