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From: devkumar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Devakumar Sreevijayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Dr. Jayaraman's article
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:55:07 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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In article <1jl8faINN2ma@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>
>iii.  I am  fascinated about a certain process by which you
>become what you fight....
                                       .......some people are
>redefining Hinduism as a mirror image of the religion that they, often
>correctly in my view, accuse of suppressing freedom of thought.


         A similar thought ran through my head when I saw Ajay Shah's
recent post where he smirked (it was patently obvious) that readers
should feel free to form their own opinions, given Dr.Jayaraman's background.
That is, he is just another commie-liberal and therefore his views have no
merit. Of course, Ajay Shah did not quite expand on this theme, but, intent,
even across a faceless medium like the net, is only too visible. 
        If one decides that another's views have no merit, based entirely
upon a priori judgement, and not on an examination of the views themselves,
then one is most likely to suffer the same fate oneself. In this process,
Ajay Shah is just as diminished as the ones he none-too-subtly seeks to
denigrate.
             It might be useful to keep in mind, as a general principle of
public discourse, and in relation to the larger question of morality, the
categorical imperative of Kant: " Act as if the maxim of your action were 
to become through your will a universal law of nature". Simply put, or
simplistically, "Do unto others what you would have them do unto you".
              
By the way, in case anyone is wondering, Immanuel Kant died 14 years before
Karl Marx was born, in 1804. 


Dev
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: knr@eos.ncsu.edu (Ravi N. Kurlagunda)
Subject: Re: Hindu Fundamentalism, Opportunism Fed Bombay Riots, Martial Law.
Originator: knr@vayu.psrc.ncsu.edu
Keywords: Bombay Riots
Reply-To: knr@eos.ncsu.edu (Ravi N. Kurlagunda)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:15:43 GMT


Ruchir Godura writes 
> a benign dictatorship running India .. no riots, no labour
Power currupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely
From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Looney left/ extreme right/ (p)secularists (Re: bombay riots....)
Date: 22 Jan 93 03:16:11 GMT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan21.214434.20309@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, 
pinto@enuxva.eas.asu.edu (Kevin A. Pinto) writes:
> In article <1993Jan20.181855.46576@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 
> dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>> 
>>   BTW, I have an observation. People like yourself, who are only voicing
>>   political opinions, may choose to do so directly, instead of hiding behind
>>   anon. medium as do the spineless, cowards. This shows that coward hypocrites
>>   are in majority in the ranks of the secessionists, and, can be dealt with
>>   severly - serving others justice. Go Ahead ! Don't be afraid. This is not
>>   a Islamic or Stalinist country. It is the U.S.A. 
>> 
>>     - regards,
>> 
>>       deb chatterjee
>>    (a good samaritan)
> 
> "Dealt with severely"?  Exactly what do you have in mind?
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  The "anons." will be facing *severe* opposition from me and many others like
  me - on the issue of such (p)secularist/ leftist opinions.

  This is exactly what I had in mind when I wrote the line. Is it still quite
  unambiguous/ foggy, like what (p)secularists write, Kevin ?

> I must point out
> that this isn't an Islamic or Stalinist country - it is the U.S. which is
> quite singleminded about enforcing the law, unlike our motherland, which
> allows the Shiv Sena to severely deal with whosoever it pleases.
>

 Your interpretation of "severely" is seriously slanted towards implying 
 physical severeties - something that is generally contrived by contumely
 commies - known as IPSG in U.S. (I am sure that *you* are *not* so spoilt as
 to join the ranks of such people.)
   
> Kevin
> 
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Kevin Pinto			agkap@acvax.inre.asu.edu
> Chem Engg, ASU, Tempe, AZ
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

    - deb chatterjee
   (a good samaritan)
From: sramacha@skat.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: India Today
Date: 24 Jan 1993 13:20:03 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

>
>I want to subscribe to India Today. I heard they have offices
>in New York. Could someone give me the details of how to
>contact them ? Address, phone number etc ?
>

	It's all in India Today :)


	Living Media India Limited
	404 Park Avenue South
	Suite 1203
	New York, NY 10016

	Tel: (212) 481-0040
	Fax: (212) 779-8206

        49 bucks per year.


        
	--Desix
From: ck@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Chandrasekhar Kambhampati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Armchair radicalism [was Re: (misleading) Indian Express Advertisement re: RJB]
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:02:33 GMT
Organization: University of Reading


Missed the original article. BUt then the following is very interesting
indeed (sort of reminds me of what Isaid, while arguing with many on the
net - including I think Subbarao!)

>In article <1993Jan23.201407.8596@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, rao@parikalpik.eas.asu.edu (Subbarao Kambhampati) writes:

>|> is bad enough by itself. But it all seems FLAGRANTLY HYPOCRITICAL when
>|> coming from blighters who for all practical purposes are far removed
>|> from the battle grounds, safely ensconced in the riches and enjoying
>|> the secular atmosphere of the west, and show NO INCLINATION/INTENTION
>|> whatsoever of actually going to the battle-grounds and follow their
>|> own violent rhetoric.
	
	You can say it again! And again! Atleast you are seeing things in a
different perspective - but are moving in the right direction!
Ah, armchair radicalism - has a familiar ring to it! Enough said!

>|> 
>|> No one can force any of us to actually go and help our nation in its
>|> hour of need. If we have no inclination to help, the least we could do
>|> is to avoid endorsing the hatred and violence. To those who feel they
>|> _must_ endorse violence and hatred, I would like to see you showing
>|> the guts and courage of conviction to go to the battlefields of
>|> communal violence your rhetoric is endorsing, and tasting the real
>|> fruits of your endorsements.  Without that you are no better than the
>|> goonda politicians who, sitting in their safe bunglows, incite violent
>|> riots to further their agendas. You are just more "educated"!
>|> 
	
	Yes, sir, time we showed all what we are made off! Lets all go to
India (atleast those who are spreading (or are inderectly responsible
for it - like the guys who paid for the ad in the Indian Express) and
solve its (india) problems rather than sit here and blather on and on
and on.

Only one correction (but then the quotes may be trying to convey some
other meaning) - we are all more literate but educated - I wonder.....

regards
chandrasekhar
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 10:06:10 CST
From: Amitabh Mittal <U52931@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: India today/ better not forget the Creators

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:35:02 CST
From:  <U52931@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: Soc.culture.indian
Subject: Cong-I and Rape of a wife

This not my own Idea but at a gettogather an oldfriend of my father told us thi
s story, He was born in what is today Pakistan and from Lahore he moved to US i
n year 48.

           This a story of a lady who is raped by her husbands friend, she trie
s to tell her husband that his friend is giving her problems but the husband ke
eps ignoring the matter adds that how could he be, he is the best person I know
in the whole world.

                   But she did finally got raped and when she told her husband
about it he balmmed it on her. but to show everyone else in the nighborhood he
cries Rape- my wife is been raped.

          Now lets just change these people around put Conggress insted of the
husband put India in place of the wife and you can chose from a varity of frien
ds of conggress I to fit that spot.

           A small list is

          1. Sant Bhindrewalle  (created by Indira Gandhi) 1980-83.
             created and installed then killed by her majesty.

          2. Kashmir problem (Pandit J.L.Nehru)
             Created by Nehru, kept healthy by the chain of Nehru family rule

          3. RJB problem (Pandit J.L.Nehru)
             he kept the problem alive even when he had a chance to solve it ba
ck in 1947. Conggress still keeping this problem alive to secure it's muslim vo
te bank.
          4. Article 370/357 (Pandit J.L Nehru)
             It is a temp article and again it's there just to keep the problem
alive.
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He gave me many reasons but for now think this is enough.
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 Jai Hind.
                    Amit.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,sci.history,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: The SOMA of the Soma Sacrifice
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 27 JAN 93 09:22:24    


In article <C1H204.KqG@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes...
>In article <C1Dvvv.MqD@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:
>>
>>              The SOMA of the Soma Sacrifice
>>
>>  [ most of the article deleted]
>>Any help in this regard appreciated.
>>
>>...kt
>>The Soma identity assumes importance if we note that most of the Hindu
>>religious components are only intended to achieve that vision which the
>>Soma drink used to give to the Aryan priests.
>>
>>...kt
> 
> 
>      It is quite possible that some narcotic herbal preparation was
>      used. It is NOT important to find out what it was if one were
>      to realize God. If this 'drug' were important many later 
>      Maharishis would have mentioned more about these. It is quite
>      possible that some later 'vedic rishis' who did not understand what
>      the original rishis were talking about and concocted their own 
>      versions. 
>      What is important is to shed attachements. It is also good to
>      shed hatred. Excessive attachment to 'aryan' and 'hindu' are
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>      are sure hindrances to see the truth. :)
> 
>      - Selva
> 
> 
	Selva, you have already achieved that knowledge with some results.
	Almost all non-Indians (yeah, non-Aryans) agree with your view.
	If you calculate, there would be atleast 95% population in the 
	world that agrees with your knowledge of Vedas. I don't think you
	should be complaining about your view of the Vedas. It's not fair.

	What I fail to understand is that if Vedas are mystic and
	barbarious, why do you still insist to know the Vedic truth? If
	they propagated hatred and used blood in their sacrifices, it is
	not even worth talking about by these so called un-Aryans unless
	you want to induldge in propaganda. If that is the case please 
	tell us your motives. You better spend more time learning the
	so called Dravidian culture if it ever existed.

	Before you talk about knowledge, do you understand philology. The
	words and their meanings change over a period of time. How could you
	definitely say that our modern meaning of the words existed before
	the time when Vedas were composed? Could it not be that the physical
	symbolism of our modern time was derived from a greater and abstract
	truth of the Vedas? Since you have done lot of research on modern
	thinking as the ultimate truth please examine the same Vedas as
	Vedas being the ultimate truth.

namaste,

-- Virendra Verma
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From: ashish+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ashish Arora)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: TIME FOR CHANGE ....
Date: 25 Jan 93 06:53:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.UfN1fqa00Uh7E3HiZG
Organization: Heinz School, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.indian: 21-Jan-93 Re: TIME FOR CHANGE
.... by Kevin A. Pinto@enuxva.ea 
> I, for one can assure you that I would not like to go back to an India
> where non-Hindus are treated in the same way that non-Muslims are treated
> in Saudi Arabia.


Me neither.  (For that matter, I don't care much for the power that the
religious police have in Saudi Arabia over their own religious bretheren
- the thought of trishul waving khakhhi types enforcing their brand of a
Hindu Way of Life is frightening.)

cheers
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: an5953@anon.penet.fi
Subject:      Ethnic Diversity Joke
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:19:24 GMT


  Hi folks. here is joke from rec.humor.funny on the goings on in yugoslavia.
  The recent developments in Surat and Bombay seem to indicate that maybe in
  a few years VISA will use India to scare customers into signingup
  for their card.

  [ Footage of bombings in Sarajevo, gun battles, etc.:]

 "Bosnia-Herzegovina continues to be ravaged by the worst fighting
 in Europe since World War II.  Rebel forces besieging Sarajevo
 are mercilessly bombing the city to rubble as the terrified
 population faces the prospect of mass starvation.  In areas under
 serbian control, soldiers ruthlessly sweep through neighborhoods
 and kill or expel all Muslims under the policy known as "ethnic
 cleansing."  The less-fortunate Bosnians are sent to Nazi-like
 concentration camps, where they are tortured and starved.  Many of
 the women in these camps are gang-raped daily by Serbian soldiers."

 [Shot of angry-looking gunman at checkpoint pointing rifle at camera,
 shaking his head:]

 "But if you think THIS is bad, just wait 'til you see what happens to
 you if you don't have your VISA card.  Because in Yugoslavia, they
 don't tolerate ethnic diversity, and they DON'T take American Express!"

 Agnivesh,


 "First they came for the Gypsies, and I didn't protest since Gypsies
  were so wierd anyway. Then they came for Jews, and once again I kept
  quiet thinking perhaps they deserve it. Then they came for the
  resistors and still I kept silent. Finally they came to get me, but
  by this time there was no one left to defend me"

           - paraphrased statement of a Catholic Priest in Nazi Germany.
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From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Feminazis, Matrons, Lifelessness, FFT
Date: 23 Jan 1993 11:21:07 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Neal Chaudhary writes:
>
>I dont think anyone believes FFT didnt write those posts up.  Imagine
>someone getting off by sneakily fabricating posts about anonymous
>Indian women writing to an email list.
>
>The poor guy and his friends are so afraid of women now that they call
>them feminazis and matrons.


	heh heh :) Another clueless idiot who's taken all this seriously.
	BTW, are you one of those pests who were troubling the vice-matron?


>Thats why they never get any:  

	Never get any women? *grin*, hey, how did you guess? :)


>Because so many Indian women are asexual/lesbian radical ultrafeminists 
>(they started an email mailing list you know) or 


	*clap clap clap*  for the above claptrap from a dodon who believes
	in generalizing so blatantly about Indian women from the fact that
	they started a women's list. Peeved you, eh? :) And "asexual"/"lesbian"
	all from the fact that they wanted to have a separate forum for
	discussion.... brilliant. By that token, your sister and mother must
	be asexual/lesbian just because they must be having a female friend
	circle. How does that sound?



>nazi-mindset matrons 
>(just ran into one today).

	She must have snubbed and kicked your ego real bad :)
	

>Either that or they just pass FFT & Co. over 
>(while being heckled at for being matrons) 
>and really do go for the white boys.  
>Can you blame them.

	
	definietly an ABCD, this :)


>Please get a life FFT 
	
	for you? help yourself, buster :). And what a completely hackneyed,
	cliched flame that line's become... "get a life". Try again and this 
	time, *think* , if you know what that means.


>Flames ignored, so conserve bandwidth.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	very soon we'll know :). And talk about conserving BW! 

	FFT
	     "to see the world in a grain of sand..."
From: pjoseph@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Paul Joseph)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: TAX TREATY FOR F-1's
Keywords: any idea?
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:42:56 GMT
Organization: SDSU Computing Services

In article <Jan.21.21.18.24.1993.10163@blaze.rutgers.edu> avirmani@blaze.rutgers.edu (Aashu Virmani) writes:
>
>Hi netters!
>
>Last year, I filed 1040NR since by the time I filed, there had been no
>clarifying statement from IRS about what we (students) were supposed
>to do.  
>
>If we CAN claim the treaty benefits, then can we claim the itemized
>
>- aashu
>-- 
>
> - Aashu Virmani (avirmani@paul.rutgers.edu)

Hi,

I talked to someone at the IRS - there is a particular article ( I fail
to remember which number ) which states that an F-1 student ( applicable
from Jan 1991 ) who does not have to pay taxes for the first two 
years of his stay in the US ( Indian students ) . I confirmed this by phone
twice with the same person cause someone else said that if the student
stayed on for more than two years he would have to pay back the tax refunds.
However the lady I talked to maintained her statement that for the first
two years we were exempt from taxes.
I could look up my previous years tax papers and try looking for he article 
number. Hope what she told me was right - she was pretty confident.

Paul
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: vimal@forum.esd.sgi.com (Vimal Parikh)
Subject: Re: QUESTION:  GREEN CARD FOR PARENTS:  PLEASE HELP
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 00:29:22 GMT


In article <C1HICt.y1@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, ckohli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
> 
> Background:  I am a permanent resident, and so is my only brother.  My parents 
> have come to visit us.  They arrived in November, '92 with a six month stay,
> and a five year multiple entry visa.  My brother becomes a citizen in June '94.
> Then he should be able to sponsor my parents for permanent residence.  However,
> my parents' six month stay permit expires in may '93.
> 
> Question:  How can we get them green card with the minimum (to none) trips to
> India (for financial and age reasons)?
> 
> Also, specifically, do they have to go to India to get the green card when the time comes, or
> can it be done here?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Kohli

	Your brother can file petition for your parents as soon as he
takes the citizenship oath (even on the same day). After the petition is
filed, your parents can legally stay in US until they get their green
cards (even if their visa expires). 

	It is a good idea to prepare the application for them well in
advance as it requires lots of documents (birth certificates,
financial support affidavits, finger prints etc.)

	They don't have to go to India for their interview.

Hope this helps.

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From: f0g1@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Prasad Gokhale)
Subject: Re: Hindus to be blamed for spread of Islam
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:39:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.182123.20129@fuug.fi> an4234@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>  So instead of fighting the muslims the Hindus should clean up their own act
>  and start treating their own people as equal and with dignity and respect. 
>  Then maybe millions of muslims will return to Hinduism and the "muslim proble>  m" will be taken care of peacfully.
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Yet another significance of the Babri Masjid issue is that the Hindu have
commenced identifying themselves as Hindus and not with thier caste or
whatever else..It took a lot of time for social evils such as caste into
the Hindu society, it will probably take the same amount of time to 
eradicate them...The process of purging of the Hindu scciety from evils
has begun and will henceforth continue...

"Mandal" has been dumped into the garbage-can...

PPG.
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