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From: bragg@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Aquatic Joe)
Subject: Re: Bubba Fett
Keywords: Fill in, great with steak...
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: Galactic
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:47:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.212322.19443@leland.Stanford.EDU> mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr) writes:
>In article <l92iqqINNhvl@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>
>>As far as I'm concerned, after Fett brought the Han-sicle to Jabba, he left
>>for other jobs. What we saw in Jedi was a Boba wannabe. The real Fett could
>>not have died that pitifully.
>>
>>-joshuali@usc.edu
>
>YES!  Finally, someone who agrees with me! =)  (Although my theory was that
>he was on vacation and the guy we saw was filling in, I can easily accept
>the wannabe theory.)

	Well, the stand-in theory/wanna-be theory is quite possible.  Jabba
supposedly kept Fett on retainer after delivering Solo.  He gave suc weenie jobs
as petty asassinations no doubt and Boba just wanted to take a vaction since he
was(is) above that kind of work.  So he got some lackey in a very convincing
Mandolorian Death Watch armor disguise and took off!
	And there you have it.  That's why Fett did so pitifully against Luke
and couln't get out of the sarlaac ("I've fallen...and I can't get up!")
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From: ithron@athena.mit.edu (Arthur Lue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Episodes 7,8, & 9 or just a marketing ploy?
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:57:21 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


I'm new here so I don't know if this issue has been addressed.

The new book trilogy coming out (so far _Heir to the Empire_ and _Dark Force
Rising_) has been authorized by Lucasfilm so I presume it's legitimate.  However,
does this new trilogy constitute Episodes 7, 8 and 9 of the _Star Wars_ cycle?

I had presumed so until I started reading the articles on this listing.  However,
I haven't been able to spot any references to these books.  In any case, there are
several things that suggest that they are not the last three movies.  First of
all, the novels are set only five years after ROTJ and it contains ALL the
characters that were there at the end of that movie...which seems to be
inconsistent with what the third trilogy was said to be about (according to
Lucas' biography [_Skywalking_, I believe] at least).

In any case, can someone clarify this for me.  And also, what solid or tenuous
information exists on the plot structure of the first and last trilogies?



Tanx.
From: v118pyhm@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRIAN FABIO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Dark Empire subscription
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug14.012218.8971@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brent Michael J. Wiebe) writes...
> 
>Ok, next topic.  Anybody out there think that the next Zahn book, the 
>3rd one will cheat us?  I mean the end of the 2nd book sets us up for
>one hell of a conflict, but can it be adequately resolved by Zahn in 
>one book?  I mean, I have nothing personal against his writing, but
>how can he adequately complete the series in one book?  I think one 
>of three things.
> 
>(1) The next book will cheat us, the legions of SW fans.
> 
>(2) The next book will be adequate in finishing the story but tres long.
> 
>(3) He will write another cycle of SW books.
> 
>Anyone else have an opinion on this?
> 
>Brent Wiebe
>umwieb69@ccu.umanitoba.ca
> 

The answer is, the next Zahn book will NOT "resolve" the conflicts presented 
in the first two. If you accept Dark Empire as canon (or at least as much canon
as Zahn's books are), it says at the beginning of the first one that the Empire
emerged from the Thrawn incident by fighting amonst themselves, after pushing
the Rebels back to a corner of the galaxy. 
So, apparently, according to Tom Veitch, the author of Dark Empire, the Rebels
(sorry, the New Republic) lose their battle to get back the Katana fleet and
beat Thrawn. 
So, yeah, the next book will cheat us.
I've also heard rumors that there's another cycle of books on the way, maybe
not from Zahn, but that's just a completely unfounded rumor from my future 
roommate, who has access to thousands of mysterious Star Wars rumors, which
he will be happy to post to the net as soon as he gets back to school next week.

			Brian
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From: kesten@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: Bubba Fett
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:26:45 GMT

I also think that "Bubba" will return.. i read a comic describing his <brief>
past... i states that he , with 4 others in much the same body armor, lead a group
of warriors against a slaver organization.  He, being the leader made a secret pact
with the slavers and wound up being a bounty hunter.  As there are 3 others
with the same armor <2 are accounted for in the comic> that leaves one
that could be doubling with Fett.
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Leia's Character
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:58:04 GMT


In a previous article, bggreenberg@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Brian Greenberg) says:

>Is it me or was the character of Princess Leia much better in
>ANH and TESB than in RotJ?  I thought she softened up too much in
>RotJ.  What about all of you?
>

Well, I've always thought she was a conniving b*tch who got what she
deserved anyway ....

(Yes, I'm an Imperial Sympathiser!)

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From: dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO)
Subject: Carrie Fisher
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:26:10 GMT


	I don't know if I've spelt her name right, but anyway you know
	who I'm talking about.

	She ain't bad looking in all the 3 Starwars movies, but was
	she a co-actress in "When Harry Met Sally", if so, that really
	surprised me! I can't say I found much of a resemblence of this
	Carrie Fisher to the one in Starwars!

	Can anyone confirm this?


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From: rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: The name "Skywalker"
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:49:29 GMT
Organization: Wheaton College, IL

In article <1992Aug14.193348.661@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>In <16e1u9INN83r@network.ucsd.edu> earharta@sdsc.edu (Alan Earhart) writes:
>
>>I have seen a lot of discussion about how Luke's last name should
>>have been changed in order to hide him better.
>>
>If you have a son you do not know about, it makes no difference what his
>name is.....right?

He might as well have been named Sonofvader cuz it was the force that
identified him to the emperor in ESB.

				Skywalker just sounds cooler,

				Richard M. Bennema

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From: delledg@jake.cc.wayne.edu (De Vaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: Threepio question
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:24:44 GMT

In article <Bt8nIv.I0r@acsu.buffalo.edu> micbrian@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MAD MAX - THE ROAD WARRIOR) writes:
>I was watching STAR WARS last night, and I was a little confused by something
>that happened.  Perhaps someone can shed some light...
>
>At the very beginning of the movie, C3PO mentions during the battle that
>there will be no escape for the Princess this time.
>
>However, later in the film, when R2 first plays the hologram of Leia for
>Luke, 3PO says that he doesn't know who Leia is, only that she was a 
>passenger on his last voyage and a person of importance.
>
>This seemed kind of contradictory to me.  He knows the princess at the
>beginning of the film, but not later on?
>
>Thoughts?
>
>Brian
The hologram was played accidentally while Luke was cleaning the R2
unit. I think that 3PO was just covering up until he was comfortable
that Luke wasn't involed with the Empire. I recall Luke asking R2 to
play the message back and R2 refused. With Leia being that important you
just can't go blabing off to anyone, especailly if you jettison to
another planet while you ship is being boarded. 3PO didn't know Luke
from Jack....who ever Jack is., until after they met Obi-Wan.:).

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From: adrian@cs.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SW VS. Dune
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:21:15 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <VD5iPB1w164w@ailanth.UUCP> tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:
>A quote from the Dune novel (from Kynes) "High voltage electrical shock 
>applied to each ring segment is the only known way of killing and 
>preserving an entire worm," Kynes said.

An ion cannon, then?

>					 "They can be stunned and 
>shattered by explosives, but each ring segment has a life of its own. 
>Barring atomics, I know of no explosive powerful enough to destro a 
>large worm entirely.

That's because Kynes has never heard of the Death Star.  Never mind the
worm, just destroy the planet.

Then again, maybe it wouldn't work.  Guess where the creature that almost
ate the Millenium Falcon came from.  :-)

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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Who's Tougher
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 01:23:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.234750.5201@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
>: >My friend and I were just wondering who would in a fight, Darth Vader
>: >or Boba Fett.  Also, why do you think that Darth/Boba would win?
>: 
>: Vader would just "strangle" him and that would be the end of it.
>
>Well, I beg to differ - Fett's corps were involved in fighting
>Jedi once upon a time in the Clone Wars.
>
>I suspect the armor and training he received as part of it would
>give him some protection against the Jedi tricks -- just like
>Jabba had some immunity to 'Jedi mind tricks'.
>
>Fett could probably hold his own against Vader -- why else would he
>go aboard the Executor to talk business? He hasn't stayed #1 by being
>careless.

Ahem.  Well, if he had so much experience against Jedi, then why was he 
stupid enough to rocket-pack himself over to the skiff that Luke was on,
only to be thrown off and into the Sarlacc?

Actually, despite the above statement, I have my own little explanation
and thoughts about a Vader/Fett confrontation.  I think that Vader shows
Fett a certain amount of respect that he doesn't afford others and Fett
doesn't take any grief from him.  I don't know who would win in a confront-
ation.  My bet would be on Vader, but I think it'd be a good fight.
Anyway, if it ever happened, I would be grateful that I was far, far away.

As to how Fett dies at the Sarlacc, I think maybe the _real_ Boba Fett was
on vacation and he just had some bozo filling in for him while he was away.
It's the only way to explain the lame way he died.

Boba Fett Lives!
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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Bubba Fett
Date: 18 Aug 1992 12:11:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug18.182809.26747@access.usask.ca> julie@skatter.usask.ca writes:
>
>	Okay, maybe you folks can clear something up for me...
>	Fett is an expressionless armored character with almost no lines and 
>a single good guess that allowed him to follow the Falcon in ESB.  How did such
>a non-character get such a large following?  Is there something I missed?  Just
>wondering...

If you have to ask then you probably won't understand :)

I think the main thing that draws people to Fett is that his costuse is so 
damn incredible. Just look at the guy. I want that armor. If I had it, I'd
drive around the city on a Katana going 80.

He rarely speaks, and when he does he sounds cool.

His ship is so incredibly unusual that it's beautiful. and the name - SLAVE I.
Also cool.

As far as I'm concerned, after Fett brought the Han-sicle to Jabba, he left
for other jobs. What we saw in Jedi was a Boba wannabe. The real Fett could
not have died that pitifully.

-joshuali@usc.edu


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From: bragg@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Aquatic Joe)
Subject: Re: Who's Tougher
Keywords: flimsy bad excuses misquote
Organization: The Green Circle Of Vengence
Distribution: Galactic
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 08:04:20 GMT

>Vader in less than one round...
>
>	Reasons:
>	1.	"The power to destroy an entire planet is 
>		insignificant next to the power of the force."
>
>	2.	In RotJ, Luke deflects blaster bolts back to the
>		speeder bikes with his light saber.
>
>	3.	Vader abosorbs bolts shot at him by none other
>		than Han Solo.
>
>	4.	Vader is not only a Dark Jedi, but close to a
>		Dark Jedi master.  (The Emporer and I will
>		complete your training...
>	
>	5.	Fett is not a major character, not a star :).
>
>	
>			-Hamlet



	1.      The Mandalorian Death Watch killed lots o' Jedis so the force
		shouldn't be a big deal to Fett

	2.	And?  They did this all the movies.  See 1.

	3.	And Han I suppose is Blaster King.  Besides, Vader had to have
		seen that one coming.  See 1 & 2.

	4.	Dark Jedi?  So what?  The dark side isn't supposed to be more
		powerful that the good.  Misquote as well...Vader said "_I_ will
		complete your training,"  Vader knew Luke had the power to 
		destroy the Emporer.  Vader had his eye on that throne!  See 1.

	5.	You have a point there!  Depending on this, Fett would lose.
		BTW where is Jeremy Bulloch these days?
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From: beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Bubba Fett
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:02:18 GMT
Reply-To: beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <92230.133524U51115@uicvm.uic.edu> U51115@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>
>        It seems to me that I'm not the only one who seems to think that Fetts
>death was stupid if not tragic. Of all the characters in Star Wars Trilogy,
>Fett was the most interesting and likable character of them all. It's a shame
>that the writers felt that he had to die because they could've capitolized
>bigtime with his character. They could've even made a movie about him. I don't
>even care if he's in the next generation, I just wished they would've involved
>him more in the trilogies than just "cameo" appearances. Oh, and by the way,
>here's some free advice. Never die with a pickle up your ass. It looks real bad
>.

I think we'll see more of Boba Fett, or, at least his likeness.  Wasn't
there some speculation that Fett's body armor was left over from the 
Clone Wars...??  



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From: micbrian@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MAD MAX - THE ROAD WARRIOR)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Threepio question
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I was watching STAR WARS last night, and I was a little confused by something
that happened.  Perhaps someone can shed some light...

At the very beginning of the movie, C3PO mentions during the battle that
there will be no escape for the Princess this time.

However, later in the film, when R2 first plays the hologram of Leia for
Luke, 3PO says that he doesn't know who Leia is, only that she was a 
passenger on his last voyage and a person of importance.

This seemed kind of contradictory to me.  He knows the princess at the
beginning of the film, but not later on?

Thoughts?

Brian
From: ung@felix.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies?
Keywords: New Movies
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:58:25 GMT
Reply-To: ung@fritz.filenet.com (Bill Ung)
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <BsLM2s.Lrn@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> rmctavis@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu writes:
|For the last couple of years I have heard that George Lucas is making
|a new Star Wars movie. Is this true or is it a false rumour? I seem
|to remember that the first Star Wars movie was Episode IV (shown in
|the blurb at the beginning of the movie), and the other two were
|Episode V and VI. So maybe he's going to make the first three movies.
|
|If he does make these movies we will probably see a young Ben and
|Vader/Anakin learning the force. Also they could have earlier
|adventures of C3PO and R2D2. What does everybody else out there
|think about an Episode I,II, and III.

Heh, that could be pretty interesting.  "See C3PO when he was wild
and wacky!  Back in the old days when he, too, was a rebel and didn't
pay so much attention to rules and regulations and 'doing the right
thing'."  C3PO at a frat party ... hmmm....

|Rob

Bill Ung
  ung@filenet.com

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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 22:13:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.111009.16222@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz) writes:


>>NOTE: Just in case you didn't realize Capt. Antilles is Wedges dad.  The reason
>>why Wedge survived all the battle with Luke is he will play an important role
>>in the final three films.
>
>Who sez?  You have some info that we don't?
>

I am assuming he is using the Fall of the Republic script outline for his
info.  It is available-- read the starwars FAQ list to find out where.  In
my opinion, though, it really sucks so don't get your hopes up.



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From: das@cci632.cci.com (David Stumme (co-op))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's motivation at Bespin
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:44:37 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <1992Aug12.170927.22882@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bl375@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian G. Greenberg) writes:
>
>OK sorry for the mistake about whose brother Owen is.  I totally missed the
>line where Ben tells Luke who Owen was and I've seen RotJ at least twenty
>times.  

This was in the novel, but NOT in the film, as I originally stated.

> 	Someone argued that if Owen was Vader's brother then he would have
>Jedi powers as well.  Well if he is Ben's brother then he would have these
>poweres as well.  Therefore, with the info we have gathered I think it is
>safe to say that Owen was Ben's brother-in-law (either his wife's brother
>or his wife's sister's husband).  I also agree that in ANH it seemed that
>Owen was Anikan's brother.

This was my post you are referring too. Owen might not be Force-sensitive
if he were Ben's brother, because we don't know how strong Ben's family
is/was with the force.  But we do know that Anakin, Luke, and Leia Skywalker
are all force sensitive, leading one to believe that anyone with
Skywalker blood would be a possible Jedi.

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: darkhelmet.
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:45:26 GMT


In a previous article, dpearson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Pearson) says:

>For those of you out there who like to do things a little differently, try 
>watching the entire SW epic while envisioning Dark Helmet(Rick Moranis) as 
>Darth Vader.  Call me crazy,(and I'm pretty sure you will) buy this is a    
>great way to let off steam during those late nights studying for finals.  Or 
>Just for the heck of it for that matter.

That is really sick.

I love it.

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From: 751kaiser@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Capital ships
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:40:13 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

say

does anyone know of where i can get a hold of the other capital ships
from StarWars besides the StarDestroyer?

like the frigates, the SuperStarDestroyer, etc....

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