HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: benw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (bennett.weber)
Subject: Re: Piracy
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:24:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.232430.6734@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>Why in the world would anyone want to write software if the sales are
>low due to piracy?

Absolutely true, and very much the point.

Another thing to keep in mind...large companies (software and otherwise)
ususally work on the basis of more than just revenue
flow.  Most large companies depend on "handshakes".  A handshake is
when your project or department's upper management promises their
management a particular profit or performance metric.  Suppose
the StringDefect corporation, Amiga division, promises the company
president 10 million dollars of profit.  Because of unanticipated
revenue shortfall (because of piracy or whatever), the Amiga
division only comes up with 5 million profit.  Great, you say, 
that's 5 million they didn't have before.  But wait...you missed
your promise of 10 million.  Never mind that you actually made
money.

Missing handshakes bigtime generally causes great wailing, gnashing of
teeth, beating of breasts (first one and then the other) and
a multitude of heads rolling.  It may not be fair, but that's
how things work.

Software theft makes it extremely difficult to come up with an accurate
commitment, much less meet it.  If a project misses it's handshake,
it usually finds itself with a teensy budget the next year.  And if a project
misses it's commitments often enough, it goes bye-bye.  Meeting your handshakes
is often considered as important as the bottom line itself (for a 
variety of semi-justified reasons I won't get into).

					Ben Weber


--------------------------------
Not speaking for AT&T
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Betting on an A1800
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:02:20 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <hgm.722264960@news.ncsu.edu> hgm@ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks) writes:
>eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown) writes:
>>>hgm@ncsu.edu writes:
>>> The 3000 is dead (check out Creative Computer's ad in AmigaWorld).
>
>>That's about the flimsiest information one could get upon which to base a
>>completely preposterous and highly speculative comment such as this.  Of
>>course, we've been told for the last 8-9 years that the C-64 "was dead"...
>>funny how CBM keeps right on selling those "dead" machines.  I would think
>>that my A3000 was at least as good as a C-64... and will continue to be so
>>for several more years to come.
>
>I'm using the term "dead" in the sense that C-A will not be making any more
>of these very soon. I seriously doubt this will cause my (or your's) A3000
>to suddenly cease to work. I am simply reading the handwriting on the wall.
>
>Think about it -- why in the world would anyone buying a new Amiga want a
>3000, when for about $500.00 more, you may be able to buy a 4000/30 with the
>latest and greatest Amiga chipset?

If one is in the market to buy a Motorola based UNIX system, the only systems
that Commodore can offer are:

A2000 with 2630 ( they don't sell the 2620 anymore )
A3000
A3000T

They will need to do a port to put it on the A4000.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: terry@helios.UCSC.EDU (Terry Ricketts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: WB 2.1.
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:40:51 GMT
Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Nov23.013408.6770@hubcap.clemson.edu> charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV) writes:
>terry@helios.UCSC.EDU (Terry Ricketts) writes:
>>   This weekend I picked up the WB 2.1 enhancer kit from my local Amiga
>>dealer (HT Electronics). The installation was easy. The docs do not list
>>the changes from the previous version. Aside from the obvious inclusion of
>>CrossDos and the new method of mounting devices I have not yet seen any
>>major changes. I do remember seeing a posting some time ago that listed
>>the changes in 2.1. If someone has it could they repost it? Now that the
>>update is out more people will be interested in seeing it. Thanks.

>Also, what's the cost of this upgrade?

>(Forgive me, I haven't a dealer nearby...)


   Sorry. I thought the information was already public. When I bought it
the basic enhancer package was $49. It included 5 disks and a set of 4
manuals in a box. If you do not already have the 2.04 kickstart rom, the
package with the rom is $99.

   Some basic information for the curious... The manuals are now bound and 
have been separated into the various subject areas; workbench, dos, arexx,
& hard disk. They are in a box to keep them together on the shelf.

   Some of the commands have been deleted, since they are no longer used, as
well as some directories. I did not make note of all of them. I do remember
that DiskDoctor was removed as well as some of the monitor stuff. None of it
was stuff I used in the past so I paid no attention.

   CrossDos has been added now. Since I already had it it was not anything
major for me. But it will be nice for a lot of other folks.

   The major change I have noticed is the way devices are mounted now. There
is a directory in the DEVS: directory called DOSDrivers. It contains a text
file and an icon for each device to be automatically mounted. The text file
contains what used to be in the mountlist for each device. There is a Storage
drawar for those devices you want to mount manually later. The mountlist is
now empty. My old mountlist was saved in an 'old' drawer. I was able to use
it to create some entries for the new drawers. But you can still use the
old mountlist if you desire.

  There were a lot of new monitor types supported, but since I am still in
the dark ages with my 1084 I did not pay much attention to them. There is
more support for other countries with a whole disk for 'locale'. It changed
keyboard and font setups for a number of different languages. There was also
some extensive PostScript support for printers. 

  At the moment that is all I can remember of the changes. Who has the list
that was posted earlier?

						Terry

| Terry Ricketts			|  Internet: terry@lick.ucsc.edu  |
| Senior Electronics Engineer		|  	     loel@lick.ucsc.edu   |
| UCO/Lick Observatory, Electronics Lab	|  Phone:    408-459-2110         |
| University of Calif, Santa Cruz 	|                                 |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: Hmmm - I'm getting spots!
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:05:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.204554.7764@sparky.imd.sterling.com>, mark@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Buglewicz) says most sayishly:
>In article <9211230328.AA19954@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> pmiller@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Paul Miller) writes:
>>I've started to get little spots on my display - In DPaint, little dots or
>>dashes show up at random - they're not actually IN the bitmap - If I zoom
>>in they're gone, so I know it's not DPaint. In Term I get little dots at
>>random when it scrolls. A few little dashes have even shown up on the
>>WorkBench. They don't seem to appear during menu operations or BitBlts.
>>
>>Can anyone give me a diagnosis based on these symptoms? I'm running
>>V39.106 on an A3000/25. Please email me if you have any suggestions.
>>
>>-- 
>>* Paul Miller                         |Nobody cares about my opinion anyway*
>>* INTERNET: pmiller@csugrad.cs.vt.edu |    - Have a JOLT and a smile! -    *
>>* "What IS it, man?"                                "Happy Happy, Joy Joy" *
>
>
>I had a very similar problem a while back when I put in my new Agnus chip.
>Turns out the Agnus was bad.  Maybe that's your problem.
>
>Mark
>

I get these, too.  It's only when you mvoe the mouse around, right?
Quit some programs.  DPaintIV doesn't like sharing memory, apparently.
When I run JrComm and/or play music w/ MED, these dots show up.  Quit
some applications, and it should work fine.

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Commodore's Second Quarter Results
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:14:13 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BxBI8q.HL8@news.iastate.edu> <xIk+r*dk1@caleb.UUCP>

>In article <BxBI8q.HL8@news.iastate.edu>, Marc N. Barrett writes:
>
>>    Strange that this comes only a couple of weeks after Apple announced that
>> it had broken IBM's record in the personal computer industry by shipping
>> 2 million systems in one year.  Why is Commodore getting hit by almost 25%
>> reductions in sales, while Apple Computer is reporting record sales?
>
>The answer is obvious to anyone but MB.  Most of CBM's sales come from Europe.
>There is a REAL recession going on there, not just a slow growing economy that
>the media and Slick Willie have conned the public into believing is a depressi
o
>n!
>Also, the dollar has been falling.  This hurts dollar denominated results.

"Dollar denominated results?" I'm not quite sure what you are meaning by
this, but the falling dollar helps CBM.  It does so by making the european
purchased commodore products "worth" more than if the US$ was high.


>Most of Apple's sales are in the US.  Get the picture yet, Marc?
>
>                                                Jim Pritchett
>
>
>UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
> or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
>

-Joel
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mtpins@icaen.uiowa.edu (Michael T Pins)
Subject: Re: source/binaries for "tar" needed
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:54:59 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

raible@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Raible - LSI Design) writes:

>I've heard mention in the past of a PD version of tar for the Amiga. Can 
>anyone point me in the right direction? Sorry if this isn't the right place,
>I couldn't decide which of the subgroups was best. Thanx in advance!

A full version of tar, including source, is available on Fish Disk 445.
Fish Disks can be found on:
grind.isca.uiowa.edu
ux1.cso.uiuc.edu

-- 
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* Michael Pins                |   Internet: amigapd@isca.uiowa.edu          *
* ISCA's Amiga Librarian      |         #include <std.disclaimer>           *
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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Amiga 1200 Released at Comdex
Distribution: world
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:01:33 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Nov19.142318.5819@sctc.com> beede@sctc.com (Mike Beede) writes:
>sue@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Sue West - CATS) writes:
>
>>The high speed, 32-bit Amiga 1200 comes standard with one 3.5 inch
>>floppy drive, 2MB of chip RAM and an internal IDE interface.
>
>I take it that ``high speed, 32-bit'' without mention of a specific
>processor is market-speak for ``68000''?

Nope.  A 14 mhz 68020.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: 22 Nov 92 07:09:55 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
NNTP-Posting-Host: faatcrl.faa.gov

bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg) writes:

>In 99% of all software piracy cases, the victim doesn't even know nor can
>find out if he's been attacked or not, since it leaves no marks.

  Bzzt.  When sales figures take a nose dive (considering a popular program,
not some piece of drek), that is a *highly* visible mark.  It tends to govern
one's opinion on creating a new program later on too, which is another visible
mark.

  -jack-
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:24:18 GMT
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.

Quoth rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy):
]> 
]> Piracy _is not_ theft.

Waitaminnit, waitaminnit, I came into this late!  Let's see if I have this
straight:

  You have this boat, um, with a crew and some weapons.  You locate a boat
  that you have outgunned, board it, and take the ower/passenger's belongngs
  without thier permision.  Or, in short, you steal it from them.

Gee, Elroy, sounds like piracy IS theft!

[ Once again, after righting wrongs, our hero sets forth for the sunset...]

-- 
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jeff_grimmett@f1401.n202.z1.fidonet.org  * jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com
 The opinions expressed in this message are thoughtful, reasoned, and logical.
      	It goes without saying that they are not those of my employer.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: nils@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Nils Gokemeijer)
Subject: Re: Amiga 1200 Released at Comdex
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:05:22 GMT

In article <19324@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> sue@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Sue West - CATS) writes:
>Commodore Introduces New Low Cost Amiga 1200 at COMDEX Show
>
>(Las Vegas, NV --- November 16, 1992) --- Commodore Business
>Machines, Inc. today introduced the Amiga 1200, the company's newest
>32-bit Advanced Graphics Architecture (AGA) based machine. The Amiga
>1200 is priced as an entry level computer for the home and for specific
>business applications. The system utilizes the AGA custom co-processor
...
>The A1200 includes AmigaDOS Release 3, the newest version of
>Commodore's multitasking operating system. AmigaDOS Release 3 not only
>"The high performance Amiga 1200 featuring AGA, CrossDOS, PCMCIA
>expandability, an entry level price point and compact design is a great
...
What is this PCMCIA stuff? Even the new handheld MAC, and some PCs have it.
How can stuff be fast, and so widely compatible?

>The high speed, 32-bit Amiga 1200 comes standard with one 3.5 inch
>floppy drive, 2MB of chip RAM and an internal IDE interface. The A1200


68000,68010,68020,68030,68040, Or are we supposed to know that?

-Nils

(Sounds like a great machine!)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy)
Subject: Re: Piracy and Skip Sauls
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:43:00 GMT

rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy) writes:

>This is an open letter to Mr. Sauls 

[MUCH IMPORTANT INFO DELETED]

>And to those who will likely question my waste of bandwidth by posting 
>this message publicly, I would like to point out that this fellow has 
>libeled me in public, and I felt it only fair that I respond to such hate 
>publicly.  I apologise if anyone is bothered by this.

No need to apologize, I would prefer to sit thru volumes of postings 
such as yours rather than 1 "You are a $hithead" posting [see Sauls post
for further details]. At least this is a well thought-out, detailed
and rational posting. 

BTW - You have my support 8-)


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: DSP not as good as we thought?
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:44:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.095609.11474@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> ins739l@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang) writes:
>Anybody out there has a true idea of what can be done with a DSP chip?
>Some questions I would like answered would be:
>
>o	Who makes them
>o	Various prices and specs, is xxx better than yyy?
>o	What can be done with a DSP
>o	How this is done (not just.. can emulate modem, make sound, etc..)
>o	Why it is better than using the main processor

I'd suggest checking out the October edition of Byte. You'll find an excellent
overview of the design philosophy, architecture and applications for DSP
technology.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Vhat?  No flickerfixer in A4k?  Vhat ees thees?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:58:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.202918.25113@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>In article <BxtLp7.JnE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu writes:
>>
>>Wait, did I hear right?  The A4000 has no flicker-fixer?!  But if the
>>A3000 had one, why wouldn't they put it in the A4000?  Now we have to go
>>out & buy a f-fixer for $200-$300?  *SIGH*  Geez.  Of course, this is
>>what I heard.. if I'm wrong, please correct me. :)
>The A4000's method of flicker-fixing in software and hardware has several
>advantages over the A3000 approach.  every
>screen is centered properly on the display and looks better than the A3000
>does when using the same monitor.

   That is not what has been said around these newsgroups.  If I had a dime
for every person who has posted about the problems with screens not being
centered correctly on the A4000, I'd buy a workstation.  The A4000 seems to
have exactly the same problems as any other Amiga without a flicker fixer:
when you setup the monitor to center certain modes, other modes go off-center,
often by quite a lot.  The advantage of a flicker-fixer is that it boosts 
all non-30nS 15Khz modes so that all can be centered properly.  You just do
not have centering problems on the A3000.  

>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Subject: Re: Commodore Announces Winners of 4000 Reasons Contest
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:47:23 GMT

In article <19366@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> sue@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Sue West - CATS) writes:

>[ Minor edits to improve formatting.  -Dan ]

>The "Commodore Amiga 4000 Reasons Contest" is now over. The winning
>entries, as selected by a panel of judges, are:

>GRAND PRIZE: Amiga 4000 with 1960 monitor
>WINNER: Eugene T. Cottle
>REASON: "Since it was first introduced, the Amiga has been a pioneer.
>        While IBM users anticipate the next innovation, Amiga owners
>	are already using it."

>SECOND PRIZE: Amiga 600HD with 1084S monitor
>WINNER: Michael Fontana
>REASON: "Used a MAC at school! Used an IBM at work. Bought an Amiga
>        for home. To use it is to choose it!"

(..and so on...)
OH F*CK!! IS THIS TRUE?! Things like THAT win an A4000, and I can't even
take part in the contest! Mind-blowing! I feel like smashing my innocent
little Amiga, but there's just too much of me in it. Maybe I'll just go and
find a dealer and smash a few A600s... I'll get time to cool off too, trying
to find one...
And I haven't even SEEN an A4000 yet!
Please, anyone at C= Marketing. Do you read these at all? DO SOMETHING about
this situation. The word from C= reprentation in Finland:
"No, we won't get A1200 to the Christmas market, wouldn't want to confuse
buyers with two new models", where the another 'new' model is A600, and we
all know how long THAT has been in European market...
--
Osma Ahvenlampi  -  oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi   * Workstation power for micro-
All my opinions are not necessarily really mine * computer price: Amiga := FUN
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From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,alt.sys.amiga.demos
Subject: Re: Programming
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:44:02 GMT
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 3.4, 1992/08/12 15:49:52

In <1e6dbmINNh75@ub.d.umn.edu>, rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman) wrote:
> In article <OAHVENLA.92Nov15135840@lk-hp-4.hut.fi> oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) writes:
> My concepts of
> programming include modularity, usability, serving the purpose for which
> it written.  ANY language can be used to accomplish these tasks.

BZZZT. You should try programming in ANSI minimal BASIC. You'd change
your tune.

> I like
> AMOS because it allows me to do complex things easily without
> sacrificing versitality.

Uh - I call not being able to use my commodites sacrificing
versatility. Could you please write an AMOS program that lets the
standard system commodites work, so I can see that this can be done?
After all, it should be easy.

> I don't need to worry about clipping when I do
> a game, for example).  I write programs to do what they are supposed  
> to do.   If you think these bad habits, argue with my CS teachers and go
> (re)take some classes yourself.  

Try asking your CS teacher (or me; I used to teach the stuff) about
poking the hardware directly, or complying with interface guidelines.

> Talk to Mandarin about this one.  Sooo, Euro demos are illegaly making
> good programs.  Hmmm.  Better talk to people on XXX.amiga.demos about
> this one.

I dunno - I don't consider that any class of programs that has >50%
(and Euro Demos approach are >75%) crash on my machine as being "good
programs". Likewise, anything that wants to treat my computer like a
game console (i.e. - reboot it to run a program) isn't a good program,
either.

> Can they do it with single commands?  Amos can do it without the hassle
> of opening the intuition.library.  Besides, this comment was in response
> to Mike saying Amos was restricted to its screen (singular).

No, this was in response to your THINKING I had said its screen when I
said its screenS.

> Oh, and comments like "Amos is a *ROTTEN* introduction language are
> staying on that topic?  The discussion started when someone said
> basically that AMOS Sucks.  There is NO single topic on this thread.

No, this discussion started when someone said "AMOS sucks; it's not
system compliant". You immediately said "Oh no, more of the AMOS is
only good for games. It is system compliant" lately you've been
avoiding that, and trying to imply that it's good for beginning
programmers. I'll agree that it's probably better than C. However,
that doesn't make it _good_ for beginning programmers.

	<mike
From: swssauby@susssys1.reading.ac.uk (Michael Saunby)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Pirates and crime statistics
Summary: lets publish figures on pirated software
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:33:18 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

Would it be possible for someone with access to a pirate board to get say
a list of the current top 100 pirated Amiga programs.  

I think the information would be usefull in several ways:
1. Since pirates dont pay for software the cost of a package is not a worry.
So they take the best, with no regard to cost.
2. They dont have docs so the programs must be intuitive.  I have manuals
but it bugs me when I have to use them for simple things.
3. If your software really is being pirated in a big way it would be nice
to know!
                                             

-- 
	Michael Saunby (M.Saunby@reading.ac.uk) 
	Meteorology Dept, Reading University, UK
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