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From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: royal family
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:50:01 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <199225.895.16341@dosgate>, richard.tanner@canrem.com (richard tanner) writes:
> 
> I fear that the monarchy may die a natural death at the end 
> of Elizabeth's reign. As you say though, a photograph of the Queen topless 
> might precipitate a speedier end. A very speedy end . . .
> 

Nonsense!  Why is there all this talk of the monarchy going
downhill?  The concept of monarchy as a moral arbiter of the nation
is a purely 19th century invention, and a bad one at that. Why should
the royal family behave better than anyone else?  In the 18th century
the mores of the royal family were a byword for promiscuous depravity.
Let's get back to those fun times, rather than the starched and stiff
etiquette-ridden concept of monarchy we have today. Let the press and
people jabber and tut-tut.  What's wrong with that?

Sure, we're paying for them.  But what does that really mean?  Are
we paying them to pretend to be something we are not? Are we paying
them to represent Britain as it is not?  Surely we have them as a
(constitutional) institution, as a political buffer, as ruler of
last resort.  Who, then, should care how they behave. They are
monarchs by right, by birth, because that is the system we have, and
that is the tradition we have.

Just say no! to the media-induced hype-up of the royal family as
THE high moral example for this nation. Just say no! to hypocrisy.

Jason
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From: ses@cmns-sun.think.com (Simon Edward Spero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: SEND US A POST CARD PLSE !!!!
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:22:49
Organization: What's your clearance, citizen?
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In-reply-to: amc@waikato.ac.nz's message of 4 Sep 92 11:48:52 +1200

In article <1992Sep4.114852.10588@waikato.ac.nz> amc@waikato.ac.nz writes:

   We are Summer and Anna, two post-graduate students who are in an office with
   grotty beige wall paint. We want to cover the walls with postcards from all
   over the place, so feel free to send us a postcard. We would prefer not to 
   receive any nude ones and ask you to be tastefull in your selection.

   The address is : Summer & Anna
		    16 Piako Road
		    Hamilton
		    New Zealand

   Cheers and we look forward to hearing from you!!!

   Summer & Anna

WARNING! The Usenet Surgeon General has determined that asking for postcards
over the net causes cancer.
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From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject:  Ordering Levi jeans from the US to UK
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:26:02 GMT


All,
	Given that the price of Levi's in the UK is nothing short
of a rip off, I'm thinking of ordering mine from the US and paying
realistic US prices (about $30-$35 for a pair of 501's). They are 
at least twice that price in the UK.

So, does anyone know if Levis does mail order, whether they have
a catalogue, and where I should write to to get one.

Please don't post 800 numbers as I can't call them from the UK.

many thanks,
		Craig

p.s. I actually got a pair for $32 when I was in Mass. recently, but
I wear jeans nearly all the time (including at work), and so I could
do with a few more pairs, including some more "Dockers", which you 
can't seem to get in the UK at all.

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From: clive@x.co.uk (Clive Feather)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: succession by posthumously born sons.
Date: 26 Aug 92 07:07:07 GMT
Organization: IXI Limited, Cambridge, UK

In article <1992Aug25.093255.27599@specialix.co.uk> martin@specialix.co.uk (Martin) writes:
>clive@x.co.uk (Clive Feather) writes:
>> Actually, English law says that any child born within a year of the
>> father's death is legitimate; this applies equally well to the
>> monarchy.
> How can a child be born more than nine months after the father's death?

By being overdue.

Look, I read this stuff, I don't write it.

Such laws (another is that a woman cannot have a child after the age of
65 [1]) date back to well before the days of blood tests and genetic typing.
Thus the lawmakers were looking for an arbitrary date beyond which they
could be *sure* that the child was not legitimate. If you made it 9
months, there would be a possibility of an overdue birth. If you made it
10, there is still the possibility that the date of death was not
precisely known (if a couple lived up in the hills on their own, this is
easily possible). So they picked a nice safe limit.

[1] This is relevant in inheritance matters, where it can be important
to know whether a child could be born in a particular line of descent.

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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Chortle and the Wheelies
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:48:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: apollo.BtyMo6.D0r
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <5984@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> mark-r@spec0.ee.man.ac.uk (Mark Robinson (JO PhD)) writes:
>
>Absolutely right Chris, the headquarters of Cosgrove-Hall are
>sited in Chorlton, SW Manchester, near to Sale and Stretford.
>it's not famous for anything except Cosgrove-Hall, Chorlton
>Water Park and the fact that I used to live there.

Wasn't Chorlton(-cum-Hardy?) also the site of that ghastly white
concrete housing estate (now, thankfully, demolished) that was
already a slum by the time it was completed?
It's many years ago now, but I used to drive past this eyesore
on my way to work at UMIST.
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Seen passing on the net:  Spotted Owl - the *other* white meat!
From: trevc@sal.reading.sgi.com (Trevor Cotton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Greencard Lottery in U.S.
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:24:24 GMT
Reply-To: trevc@cix.compulink.co.uk
Organization: Trevor Cotton Associates, UK

In article <1992Aug27.174402.20648@software.org>, antonson@software.org (Todd S. Antonson) writes:
|> Hi,  I have a friend in England who wishes to send her name in
|> for the Green Card Lottery in the U.S. (I don't know any of the
|> details but she gave me all her vital info).  Does anybody (in
|> GB or US) know where to send this?
|> 
|> Thanks in advance.
|> 
|> - Todd

Closing date for this years entry is 28 August, and entries are only
accepted by First Class mail or Airmail.

The hotline number to call for information on where to send applications
etc is (202) 663-1600

Better luck next year.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic,alt.beer
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Subject: CAMRA Beer Festival in Edinburgh 8-10 Oct
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:30:50 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic,alt.beer,dec.notes.worldwide,scotland


CAMRA Beer Festival in Edinburgh
Oct 8-10, Traditional Beer Exhibition, Meadowbank stadium (Main Concourse)
Open Thu 4-11pm, Fri & Sat 11am-11pm
Around 100 kils, wide range of beers from both sides of the Border.
Commemorative glasses, live entertainment, variety of food stalls.
For more info, contact Colin Young, 031- 228 6932

Craig
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From: neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Beer (was Re: New World beer)
Date: 26 Aug 92 10:02:33 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <JIM.92Aug25144713@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:
>   "Scotch" in Northern England and Scotland refers to a variety
>   of beer which is the rough equivalent of "mild" in the South
>
>Eh? I have never ever heard anyone - not even the most vulgarly
>dressed American tourists - refer to beer in Scotland as "Scotch".

>If you asked for "a pint of Scotch" in a Scottish pub, you won't get
>anything more than a look of non-comprehension from the bar staff.
>

Obviously you haven't been in to many Scottish and Newcastle pubs round the
borders, esp the English side. Many many of them sell 'Youngers Scotch Bitter'
which is what is being referred to as 'a pint of scotch'. It isn't too bad
and is fairly cheap(ish). Though in a pub in my home village of Gretna
(Scottish side) when presented with the choice of Youngers Scotch Bitter
or Broughton Special Bitter (from down Biggar, Edin way)  both at #1.20 a
pint (!) the choice was not very hard to make.

You'll get looked at as if you are daft/American tourist if you asked for it
much further North though.

Neil



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From: Christopher.Carne@brunel.ac.uk (Christopher J Carne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: New World beer (was Re: Americanising
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:41:19 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <1992Aug24.124345.19039@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>
>"Scotch" in Northern England and Scotland refers to a variety
>of beer which is the rough equivalent of "mild" in the South
>(and if bitter's in trouble, mild is almost extinct - a pity
>because it's beer actually brewed to be low in alcohol, rather
>than the artificial "low alcohol" beers which have come on the
>market recently). It feels a bit odd asking for "a pint of
>Scotch", but if you do, you won't get whisky.
>
>Matthew Huntbach

Well at least Courage still brew a passable mild, whicj I have seen in
quite a few pubs. The biggest local brewer in Cornwall, the St. Austell
brewery serves a very decent mild at most of its pubs [as well as the
famous local brain pummeller HSD (Hick's Special Draught or High Speed
Diesel)]. Young's have just started serving a porter. So I think the
claim that mild is almost extinct is a bit pessimistic.

My favourite mild is Sarah Hughes Old Ruby, though at 5% 'mild' is
a bit of a misnomer.

I recall when I first lived in Glasgow going into a pub and asking
for a pint of bitter and being put straight on the subject of heavy.

BTW A few pubs in Glasgow used to serve Furstenberg Dunkelbrau on
draught. As the name implies a 'dark beer' that tasted for all the
world like a strong mild.


CHR$
From: jmb@ukc.ac.uk (J.M.Bremner)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Toilet paper [was Re:  royal family]
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:32:52 GMT
Reply-To: jmb@ukc.ac.uk (Mike Bremner)
Organization: Institute of Mathematics and Statistics, University of Kent

In article <25237@castle.ed.ac.uk> erck03@castle.ed.ac.uk (John Wexler) writes:

>it's common to say that something is "government property" if it's owned
>by the crown and controlled directly by a ministry or government agency.
>This applies to all kinds of things, from army bases to toilet rolls,
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ah, yes.  Do they still produce special rolls of the hard stuff
imprinted with the magic words "Government Property"?
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From: dennis@irsaims.UUCP (Dennis Hank)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.travel
Subject: Stansted or Gatwick
Keywords: london traveler
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:33:28 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Insurance Rating Sys., Universal City TX




	My wife and I will be travelling to London (first time) in October
	and had planned on using frequent flier mileage to purchase our
	tickets.  Unfortunately, Amer. Airlines will only allow you to use
	those miles if you fly into Stansted.  We had intended to fly into
	Gatwick because my son is living in Surrey (Leatherhead) and it
	seemed to be close in proximity.  We will be renting a car, also.
	Is it a difficult and long drive from Stansted to the Surrey area
	and would I be forced to drive through London or is there a beltway
	around the City ?  What would the traffic be like on a Saturday or
	Sunday Morning ?  

	We do have an option to buy one ticket and use the frequent flier
	miles for the other (Amer. Airlines, aren't they great) but we
	really would prefer not to spend the money on airfare, but rather
	on other things we might do one the trip - like eat, sleep in a bed.....

	I would appreciate any insight that could be sent my way.  Thanks in
	advance for your help.

	Dennis Hank




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From: egpv29@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: The Celtic Cross
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:25:47 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <1992Sep2.024246.8276@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA> bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross) writes:
=>jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
=>: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) wrote:
=>: > The standing stones at Callanish are laid out in the form of a Celtic
=>: > cross, but they predate Christ by a few millenia. If anything, the 
=>: > Christians stole the design from the Celts!
=>: 
=>: The megaliths, including Callanish, were built by a pre-Celtic people over
=>: a thousand years before the Celts arrived.  The Christians weren't the
=>: first to steal other people's religious symbols.
=>
=>And they weren't the last. Seems like neo-nazis have developed an
=>affinity for the Celtic cross recently.

A very long time ago, our school outing included a trip to see the Swastika
Stone at Heber's Ghyll, which you will immediately guess is in Yorkshire -
within driving-with-a-bus-load-of-small-children distance of Leeds. I forget
who put it there, but it was apparently some band of 'old-age' travellers,
predating the Nazis by a thousand years or two.


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From: venable@faculty.coe.wvu.wvnet.edu (Wallace Venable)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: U.S./British school grades, was Re: Why I read the Economist@
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:03:08 GMT
Organization: WVU College of Engineering

>>
>>Could someone relate the U.S. school grades to British forms?
>>
---------------- MUCH DELETED ----------------
>       sixth form      (16 to 18, divided into upper and lower sixth)

>       college          for further education, can start here at 16
>       university/polytechnic (although most of polys changed to
>                 universities recently)
>                       - 3 years, unless you do a sandwich course or take
>                       a leave of absence.

	I take it that BRITISH = ENGLISH/Welsh here.
	Acording to some of my sources, unless we talk about Scotland, 
where "highers" are somewhat lower than A's and university takes longer.
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Balmoral and beyond
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:36:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: VOILA.NICKH.92Aug26123607
	<1992Aug24.201204.26587@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
	<1992Aug25.151044.15097@husc3.harvard.edu>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Aug25.151044.15097@husc3.harvard.edu> koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis) writes:

   I read in the _Boston Globe_ that the Queen if she wanted to could
   strip Fergie of her Duchess of York title and the right to be addressed
   as Her Royal Highness.

Do American's need to be told this? Surely it's obvious. The Queen
(being the Queen) can do anything she chooses.

Nick
From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Bill and Ben
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:34:55 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:

>>Can anyone remember the names of the tortoise and the flower in
>>the popular childrens TV show "Bill and Ben the flowerpot men"
>>

>Wasn't the flower 'Little Weed'?

'Weee-eed' was the way she used to announce itself.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dml@philabs.philips.com (Damian M. Lyons)
Subject: Re: Name for Brits and Irish?
Organization: Autonomous Systems, Philips Labs, Briarcliff Manor, NY
Distribution: eunet
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:58:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.091921.15977@jet.uk> src@jet.uk (Stephen R Cooper) writes:
>In <1992Aug17.171039.21927@philabs.philips.com> dml@philabs.philips.com (Damian M. Lyons) writes:
>>
>>You're apparently missing the point here. The reason that "West
>>British" is used is because Irish people are not normally considered
>>any kind of British (Northern Unionists excepted). Thus the term
>>relies for its effectiveness on the fact that Ireland is *not* part of
>>Britain. QED.
>
>>..................
>>...[stuff on the perils of chanting English out at Scottish troops].....
>
>Yes but they would be more accurate to chant "United Kingdom Out". The
>terms Britain and British include the Republic of Ireland and it's
>nationals, what's missing is a term for nationals of the United Kingdom.
>

How Classically Greek of you; you've taken the time to include the
seeds of your own destruction. Please re-read wot you included.

Damian.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: royalist@buck.house
Subject: Re: royal family
Keywords: orgy
Reply-To: royalist@buck.house
Organization: British Monarch Inc
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:57:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.205001.8542@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
writes:
|>In article <199225.895.16341@dosgate>, richard.tanner@canrem.com (richard
|>tanner) writes:
|>> 
|>> I fear that the monarchy may die a natural death at the end 
|>> of Elizabeth's reign. As you say though, a photograph of the Queen topless 
|>> might precipitate a speedier end. A very speedy end . . .
|>> 
|>
|>Nonsense!  Why is there all this talk of the monarchy going
|>downhill?  The concept of monarchy as a moral arbiter of the nation
|>is a purely 19th century invention, and a bad one at that. Why should
|>the royal family behave better than anyone else?  In the 18th century
|>the mores of the royal family were a byword for promiscuous depravity.
|>Let's get back to those fun times, rather than the starched and stiff
|>etiquette-ridden concept of monarchy we have today. Let the press and
|>people jabber and tut-tut.  What's wrong with that?

Jason is quite right, and what is more the Royals agree with him. Herewith the
invitation I recieved this morning from auntie Brenda:-

Her Most Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain and Northern Ireland and most of those bits that use to be red on the
map do by these presents bring:-

Greetings!

Yah, well acualy it's me Dinny, but Liz said that this should be a bit less
formal than the garden party biz last year. Anyway the buzz is that we are going
to do away with the usual tea in the tent bit on a lawn and hire the hipodrome
for the night. The entz are a bit different too and it's fancy dress, theme is
tarts and vicars, OK yah a bit hackneyed but this time we are getting real
vicars (Carey told me he was game for it) and real tarts well at least we
invited Fergie but don't know if she will come. 

I can't go into the whole list of acts but it's dead fab, you take my word for
it. We got the Chipendales (of course!) and Julian Clary is going to be compare.
I'm afraid I don't know much about Linda Lovelace 'coz Charles booked her and
won't tell me what she does, all he will tell me is that it involves eating and
drinking, sounds like Fergs sould be in this act too!

Anyway suffice to say that it should be pretty nift! Hope you can come.

	Love Dinny,
		PP Queenypoos



The seal isn't her usual one, you know the one where she is sitting on that nag.
In this one she is wearing a hot pink spandex leotard made out in a different
coulour of wax with a neckline plunging to he navel and is reclining on a couch
being fed grapes by a host of nubian manservants wearing fetching little leather
numbers.


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From: fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.drwho,alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: Americanising of the UK, Now: British TV in North America
Date: 3 Sep 1992 21:45:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <Bu0EHr.2uC@scd.hp.com> apm@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt) writes:
>Matthew Huntbach (mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk) wrote:
>: Attempting in mid-speech to avoid the use of "four-letter" words
>: gives rise to a similar phenomenon, with exclamations like "oh
>: sugar" or "oh fudge".
>
>Or even 'for crying out loud'.
>
>Andrew

There's an old Jamaican exclamation 'to fortynine', which has a
similar origin.
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