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From: cardell@lysator.liu.se (Mikael Cardell)
Subject: Re: What is Art?
Organization: Lysator ACS at Linkoping University
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 06:56:19 GMT

Well, I don't consider MesSy-DOS art; it doesn't make me go "huh!?",
but rather something like "Bleach!" or so...
--
mikael cardell <cardell@lysator.liu.se>

          S P U N K  P R E S S
Newsgroups: alt.magnus.and.ketil,alt.stupidity
From: jtamdor@iastate.edu (Jason T Amdor)
Subject: Re: Bodies and bodyparts
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:47:57 GMT

In <1993Jan21.114918.4785@news.uit.no> espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund) writes:

>Something struck me some days ago (or was it weeks?). Let's say you come
>into a big hall, where a persons head is lying in one corner and the rest of
>his body in another corner. You're asked to walk over to the body. Where
>would you go? To the head or to the rest of the body? 
>What if there were more parts of the body scatterred around, where would
>you then go? What part of a body is considered to be the body and what parts
>are considered to be just parts of the body? How much mutated can body be
>to consider it a body?

Who is asking you to do this?  And why is there a body in the hall?
Whose is it?  If you were really in a hall with a decapitated body,
would you hang around?  Mutated? or do you mean Mutilated?  If the body
is mutated, then obviously nature wants the head to be off...Meaning
maybe the body is still alive...Or are you just like a necrophiliac,
spending your idle time thinking about dead bodies? EEEEWWWW! Get away!

In answer to your query the "body" has merely been decapitated.  So the
head is just the head, and what is left is the "body"

>-- 
> 
/---------------------------------------------------------------------------\ 
>(  10 rem *** Nice program! ***           
> ) 20 print"Espen Skoglund is my name. ";  
>(  30 goto 20                              

Ah! a computer science major!

10 rem not a nice program
15 let b=0
20 let a=a+1
30 let b=b+1
40 let c=a^2 + b^2
50 let d=c^.5
60 if d/1 = int(d/1) then goto 100
70 if b=100 then goto 15
80 if not a=100 then goto 30
90 goto 120
100 ?"A triange with sides of";a;"and";b;"and";d;"is a pythagorean right"
110 goto 70
120 ?"these are all the right trianges with 2 sides being less than 100
each"
130 end

I think this will work, but its been a while since i programmed




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From: bryker@cwis.unomaha.edu (Barrett T. Ryker)
Subject: Re: Bodies and bodyparts
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:47:38 GMT

espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund) writes:

>Something struck me some days ago (or was it weeks?). Let's say you come
>into a big hall, where a persons head is lying in one corner and the rest of
>his body in another corner. You're asked to walk over to the body. Where
>would you go? To the head or to the rest of the body? 
>What if there were more parts of the body scatterred around, where would
>you then go? What part of a body is considered to be the body and what parts
>are considered to be just parts of the body? How much mutated can body be
>to consider it a body?

>-- 
> /---------------------------------------------------------------------------\ 
>(  10 rem *** Nice program! ***             |   Letters: abcdefghijklmnopq    )
> ) 20 print"Espen Skoglund is my name. ";   |            rstuwxyzABCDEFGHI   (
>(  30 goto 20                               |            JKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ    )
> \---------------------------------------------------------------------------/


Dammit!  Read the FAQ!

Xref: sparky alt.magnus.and.ketil:67 alt.stupidity:3726
From: espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund)
Newsgroups: alt.magnus.and.ketil,alt.stupidity
Subject: Bodies and bodyparts
Date: 21 Jan 93 11:49:18 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe

Something struck me some days ago (or was it weeks?). Let's say you come
into a big hall, where a persons head is lying in one corner and the rest of
his body in another corner. You're asked to walk over to the body. Where
would you go? To the head or to the rest of the body? 
What if there were more parts of the body scatterred around, where would
you then go? What part of a body is considered to be the body and what parts
are considered to be just parts of the body? How much mutated can body be
to consider it a body?

-- 
 /---------------------------------------------------------------------------\ 
(  10 rem *** Nice program! ***             |   Letters: abcdefghijklmnopq    )
 ) 20 print"Espen Skoglund is my name. ";   |            rstuwxyzABCDEFGHI   (
(  30 goto 20                               |            JKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ    )
 \---------------------------------------------------------------------------/
Newsgroups: alt.magnus.and.ketil,alt.stupidity,talk.bizarre,alt.body.parts
From: roy@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Rivet Head)
Subject: Re: Bodies and bodyparts
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:11:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.114918.4785@news.uit.no> espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund) writes:
>Something struck me some days ago (or was it weeks?). Let's say you come
>into a big hall, where a persons head is lying in one corner and the rest of
>his body in another corner. You're asked to walk over to the body. Where
>would you go? To the head or to the rest of the body? 
>What if there were more parts of the body scatterred around, where would
>you then go? What part of a body is considered to be the body and what parts
>are considered to be just parts of the body? How much mutated can body be
>to consider it a body?

Picture this: remove a person's head & neck and all 4 limbs and there
you have a generic body.  Organs are sometimes left out.  Sexual organs
are almost always left out but the heart and circulatory system are
usually there.  Other organs such as pancreas, liver, bladder, etc. can
be purchased separately.

I usually purchase generic heads and bodies in bulk at wholesale prices.
(These include circulatory systems.)  I reuse organs from other bodies
when available, otherwise I buy them from a components shop.

  __    __                            __   __
   |\  /|  __  __    _   __   __  ___  |   |    Your sister is a junkie
   | \/ |  |_  | _  /_\  | \  |_   |   |---|      gets it any way she can
   |    |  |_  |_| /   \ |_/  |_   |   |   |    Your brother's a gay singer
  /  Roy J.  E-MAIL: roy@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu  \     in a stud leather band
From: norm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Norman Gee)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:41:22 GMT
Subject: Re: GIZMO:  How does one build a Rocket Ranger Suit?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re:  Infiniverse #30 (spoilers)
X-Gated-By: The Black Marble Wombat@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
X-Gated-From: torg mailing list
Organization: University of North Texas
X-Gatemail-Version: 1.0b
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:42:16 GMT

Grant writes:


> 
> Did anyone notice the mention of the election of a new President
> in one of the dispatches? Does this mean that Quartermain is out of power? 
> Who's controlling the Delphi Council?

I would assume that while the new president (who was not named)
believes he is in control of the Delphi Council, the same old people
are actually running things on the Council (Ms. Connors for example).
Since the radical elements of the DC are plotting to wipe out Congress
another presidential assassination (framed on one of the other cosms
of course) seems highly likely to me.

Of course, WEG is (once again) ignoring the fact that they stated in
the Infiniverse Update that the presidential elections had been
cancelled for the duration of the war....


Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
From: Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com (David Wetzel)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: shatterzone questions
Followup-To: alt.games.torg
Date: 21 Jan 1993 17:01:02 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer
Distribution: world
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In article <gatemail1.0b20971917739@morticia>, Telestro ip Wandrun
<"scotty: :baileyt"@kirk.msoe.edu> wrote:
> 
> You're kidding, right?  Actually *record* Space Rangers so you can watch it 
> again and again?  :)
> 
> If you want *really* cool SF, watch Deep Space 9 or wait for Babylon 5 in late 
> February.
> 
> I suppose that Space Rangers would be the closest to Shatterzone, though...

Humm, this isn't my experience with Shatter Zone (we're playtesting it). 
My impressions is that neither of these comes close (though the comments
I've heard on Babylon 5 are promissing).  Space Rangers might be closer
though.

SZ is not like DS9 because combat may actually happen!  There's actually
adventure and excitement and unusal-ness.  There's also no benevolent
StarFleet looking over your shoulder (and patching things up for free!).

But to make the dialog as bad as Space Rangers would require a really poor
GM and players (where do the networks get the writers for these shows?!?).

Someone also said it was Space Opera, to which I must disagree.  The intent
seems to be hard-core SF.  Space Opera as a genre is closer to Fantasy than
Science Fiction.  Space Opera uses mysticism as a primary element (as in
the Force in Star Wars).  ShatterZone has nothing to support mysticism
(what you choose to hack in is your own business).  The faith skill in SZ
only lets you resist being convinced to do things anathetical to your
faith.  You don't get miricles and there's no magic.

So, if you want to know what to read/watch to get ready for SZ, try the
following: Aliens, Blade Runner, the Dorsai novels by Dickson, LeGuin's the
Left Hand of Darkness (for the Alien-ness, though anything by LeGuin is
just plain good reading!) and Gibson's cyberpunk novels (Neuromancer, Count
Zero, and Mona Lisa Overdrive).

My Opinion, of course.
Thanks,
Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
From: gondrom@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Tobias Gondrom)
Subject: shatterzone questions
Originator: gondrom@hphalle9g.informatik.tu-muenchen.de
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:56:09 GMT


Hi guys!
I'm a GM of Torg and very interested in this new game Shatterzone.
Could anybody answer me a few questions about it, please?
1. When is it planned to be issued?
2. Does it have a storyline ? If it has one, could you please tell me in short
terms which or at least which kind.
3. What's the game about ? (in which relative Time-Area is it located/is
Hyperspace available/does mankind use cybergear and so on)
4. Last but not least, what do you think about the game/ storyline/ book ?

Please just a few answers

Thanks



                 The Emperor
 

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From: "Colin J. Wynne" <cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>
Subject: Re: Infiniverse #30 (spoilers)
X-Gated-By: The Black Marble Wombat@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
X-Gated-From: torg mailing list
Organization: University of North Texas
X-Gatemail-Version: 1.0b
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:56:05 GMT

On Wed, 27 Jan 1993, Jim Ogle wrote:

> Of course, WEG is (once again) ignoring the fact that they stated in
> the Infiniverse Update that the presidential elections had been
> cancelled for the duration of the war....

In the DC World Book, didn't they mention that, although good ol' DQ was
trying to have elections suspended, the Council was getting a lot of flak
on the subject?

CJW


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From: burt@ptltd.com (Burton Choinski)
Subject: RE: shatterzone questions
X-Gated-By: The Black Marble Wombat@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
X-Gated-From: torg mailing list
Organization: University of North Texas
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:31:21 GMT

Well, I admit SR is kind of hokey, but that seems more like the feel to
me.  I'd have to see the shatterzone rules to really make a determination.
     - Burton
From: cwynne@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Colin J. Wynne)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: spell and shapeshifter
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:43:16 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas
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On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 nishio@ntttsd.ntt.jp wrote:

> How do you think about spells cast on a shapeshifter?
> 
> Recalculate new Mind value from spell's effect total and wolf's Mind value?
> Or, spell will cease to work because wolf is not "folk"?

I'd say that non-folk == screwed, big time.  The character should try to
develop of version of the ritual that has living forces, instead of folk. 
Then I'd say let the effect value carry over, which I think makes more
sense than "+n human = +n wolf".

CJW


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From: Rick Jones <albert@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu>
Subject: Re:  Infiniverse #30 (spoilers)
X-Gated-By: The Black Marble Wombat@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
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Organization: University of North Texas
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:54:39 GMT

Jim sez:
> Grant writes:
 
> > 
> > Did anyone notice the mention of the election of a new President
> > in one of the dispatches? Does this mean that Quartermain is out of power? 
> > Who's controlling the Delphi Council?
> 
> I would assume that while the new president (who was not named)
> believes he is in control of the Delphi Council, the same old people
> are actually running things on the Council (Ms. Connors for example).
> Of course, WEG is (once again) ignoring the fact that they stated in
> the Infiniverse Update that the presidential elections had been
> cancelled for the duration of the war....

	Or, perhaps, the DC realized that if they prevented the elections, 
the south would revolt, cutting out the only part of the US that's remained
totally unaffected by the invasion.  A charismatic southern candidate, 
running on the "look how these @#$% ups have botched the invasion" platform,
and a "these @##$%s are trampling our civil rights" platform. 
	Of course, that doesn't explain why the DC didn't hire Kanawa 
"pollsters" to hack the vote tallys.  Besides, Delphi has the military, the
FBI and CIA in their back pockets.  So even if President Whathisname 
is Prez, the DC, taking a page from the Illuminati, are still really running
the show.

	MY big gripe is that WEG was all set to say that the elections
were going to be called on account of Delphi, and now there's a new 
President.
	(DYN, that in the Funeral For a Friend issues of Superman, 
the Clintons attended the funeral.  _And_ the issue was written months
before the election.  I'm sure some DC editors were chewing knuckles
Nov 3.)
-- 
Rick Jones           	"Calvin, can you tell us what Lewis and Clark did?"  	
albert@bcm.tmc.edu      "No, but I can recite the secret superhero origin of
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Voice: 713-798-7352  	of Liberty."  - Calvin & Hobbes
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From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: NNFL (Near Now Football League)
X-Gated-By: The Black Marble Wombat@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
X-Gated-From: torg mailing list
Organization: University of North Texas
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:27:37 GMT

Public resistance to the selling of the SF 49ers to a (gasp) foreigner
would keep Kanawa from making the buy in the first place.  To the
people of the US that would look like an invasion of a business and
cultural sort, something Kanawa would not want to foster in the US
(since that is what he's doing anyway).  However, if done through
several holding companies and front corporations the American populace
can be led to believe that an American (or an American corporation)
still owns the 49ers and everything will be hunky-dory.  (Besides, I'm
sure he can get the Seattle franchise a lot cheaper and it'll go with
the Seattle baseball team he already owns. 8-)

The LA Raiders would be strong contenders if it wasn't for the fact
that the entire team usually gets fouled out by halftime (Law of
Ferocity in action).  However, during that first half they'd probably
be almost unstoppable (since they probably have a few players with
mutant enhancement packages).  Home games are probably real rough on
the visiting team too (never know angry fans are going to start
shooting at them or if players will just disappear and never be seen
again....)  

The NFL has probably followed the lead of the baseball leagues and
expanded to include new Canadian and Mexican teams as well.  Of
course, there are probably a few Canadians with illegal cyberware
(gosh, where did that come from?) that have to be dealt with.  Teams
from cities like New York and Seattle and other places that have been
taken over by the Living Land have had enough time to reestablish
themselves in other locales (St. Louis Jets?) or to have combined with
other teams (maybe Phoenix actually has a team this year! 8-)

We can probably also expect to see edeinos involved with the sport;
mention in made in the LA Citybook of edeinos learning the sport
(though they are of course more concerned with having fun rather than
winning) and the Delphi Council Worldbook indicates that edeinos are
involved in professional baseball.  However, given the advantage
edeinos have over humans in contact sports like football (higher
strength and toughness) they may be segregated into a seperate league
that just plays exhibition games.  This exhibition league may also
feature international players such as giants and dwarves from Aysle.

As for the Super Bowl, it'll be the two teams with the most
Possibility-rated players....

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
From: Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim) <jogle@aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: Re:  The Miracle of California
X-Gated-By: The Black Marble Wombat@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
X-Gated-From: torg mailing list
Organization: University of North Texas
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 09:55:23 GMT

Thanatos writes:

> Okay, I just picked up the Tharkhold supplement.  Now a quick question:
> 
> What the #&*$ is the Miracle?  Did I miss something? 

The "Miracle of Sacramento" was the liberation of Sacramento and the
surrounding area from the Living Land by heroic Spartan agents of the
Delphi Council working in cooperation with our invaluable allies, the
Japanese and especially that paragon of virtue, the Kanawa
Corporation.

At least thats what they (Delphi Council and Kanawa) want everyone to
believe.  In reality, right after the Spartans uprooted the necessary
stelae to collapse that Living Land zone Nippon Tech agents replaced
them with NT stelae, creating the NT pure zone that is around
Sacramento today.  It happened a little more than a year before
Tharkold arrived I think.


Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
From: oakes@jupiter.nmt.edu (David Oakes)
Subject: once more into the breech...
X-Gated-By: The Black Marble Wombat@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:11:56 GMT


well, since my mailer is hosed
(receiving NOTHING from either of my lists - any help, clay?)
and the news program is too busy to post
(at least they didnt move the computer DURING the semester,
 even if it will take them all year to fix it...)
here is my reply to wetzel's post

dave "enjoy" oakes

Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: ShatterZone
Organization: New Mexico Tech

In article <Dave_Wetzel-210193121645@dwetzel.mis.stratus.com> Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com (David Wetzel) writes:
>But to make the dialog as bad as Space Rangers would require a really poor
>GM and players (where do the networks get the writers for these shows?!?).

nah - all you need is a magic axiom of 0 to eliminate any random events
so that the plot would be obvious to anyone but an optant, and a spirit 
axiom of 3 or so, so there is little introspection, little feeling,
making everybody as wooden as a yogi bear cartoon...

>(what you choose to hack in is your own business).  The faith skill in SZ
>only lets you resist being convinced to do things anathetical to your
>faith.  You don't get miricles and there's no magic.

ah! so thats what Faith(self) is used for...
(thats a joke son, a joke - we all know whats its really there for...)

dave "Bad 50's SciFi Realm! coming soon to a cosm near you!!!" oakes
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
From: bpostow@eniac.cs.oberlin.edu (Brian Postow)
Subject: Re: Random Stuff and Strangeness
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:54:37 GMT
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Jim spake thus:

>   > 2) In the akashan airlift, I understand that the SGs basically lifted out
>> all the edeinos out of the easternland because of the LB "erupting upwards".
>
>   I doubt they were able to get all of them, but probably a sizable portion.
>
> > I assume this pissed a lot of people off, like the delphi council, and I am
>  > wondering about the aftereffects, and if in fact ALL the edeinos left, and
>> if so, are they all in S.America learning that not all technology is "dead"?
>   > Or were they just dropped off at California?
>
>   WEG hasn't said where the edeinos are being taken; I believe that they
>   are probably dropping them off in North America, probably near some
>   Living Land reality trees.  The Western Land is another possibility.
>
>   > 3)  Any one heard anything on the Tokyo book? Seen it?
>
>   Haven't seen any talk on GEnie from WEG about it so I would guess it
>   isn't on its way to stores yet.
>
>   > 4)  When is the next realm update due?
>
>   Good question...hopefully soon (though if they wait much longer
>   Infiniverse Update vol. 2 will be out and they'll have an excuse not
>   to do one for a while.)
>
>
>   Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)

when did this happen??? I must have missed that! did the Jan.
Infiniverse come out or something???? ack!

--


Brian Postow :: The Pasta Knight -- That noodleheaded Knight in shiny armour
			 	    |"A mathematician is a blind man
pessimist, existentialist,	    | in a dark room looking for a 
advanced murphologist 		    | black cat which isn't there" - Darwin
				    |
"pessismism for a better tomorrow"  |Life is just one nonsequitor after catfish

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From: bmedley@hounix.org (Bert Medley)
Subject: CONVERSION:  TORG and HERO
X-Gated-By: The Black Marble Wombat@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
X-Gated-From: torg mailing list
Organization: University of North Texas
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:06:43 GMT

Has anyone done a Torg -> Hero or Hero -> Torg conversion?

-- 
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From: jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (Ks. Jim)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Pervert Akashans!
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:29:30 GMT
Organization: University of North Texas
X-Gated-By: The Black Marble Wombat@morticia.cnns.unt.edu
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In yet another case of Coar Akashans forcing their opinions and
beliefs on others, OMNI magazine (Feb/Mar '93) reports: "...South
American witnesses [were] allegedly forced to have sex with crew
members from UFO's."

Kansas Jim (jogle@aoc.nrao.edu)

8-) of course!
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