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Subject: Rush!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 02:40:40 -0700

mmarx@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Matthew Marx)
Writes to moi:

{mass praise of Rush removed}

>>  About the song "Prime Mover."
>>  How would you (anyone) interpret the line "The point of the journey
>>is not to arrive" ?  Is he saying that A) it's not the arriving part of the
>>journey that's important, but the getting there, or B) The point of the
>>journey is NOT to reach your destination, but to keep journeying??

>I've always thought A), the "getting there is half the fun" mentality.
>It was sure true for me when I drove across the country a couple
>months ago. It was just wonderful.

   Yes, that's the obvious first impression. BUT, maybe he was referring
to the second, or, perhaps, both. That's what I love about Neil...he's
such a bloody genius. And everyone can screwoff if they think any one
of Rush's songs can be considered "worse", or "bad"! :>

>>   I've found out what a "Didact" might be, a teacher, but what's a
>>"Narpet"? The closest I can come up with is it means someone who learns.
>>"Teachers and Learners"??

>Someone on TNMS mentioned that an anagram of "Didacts and Narpets" is
>"Addicts and Parents". This may be significant....

    Hmm..there's something I never thought of..anagrams. Still, what
would "Addicts and Parents" have to do with what they "lyrics" say?!
Stay, go...work, no...earn, give...etc..
    Interesting...

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From: ANDERSONC@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Chris Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: ENCORES (was Re: Rush is getting old and boring)
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:56:16 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In response to many of the complaints that I have recently seen
posted to this group about Rush encores being stale and prearranged,
let me say the following:

The best encore I have ever seen was on the HYF tour in Cleveland.
If memory serves there were two encores.  The second was a euphoria
inducing medly of 2112 and diverse older cuts.

The second best encore I ever saw was done by Roger Waters back in
1987 on the Radio KAOS tour.

Personally, I go to RUSH shows for two reasons: an appreciation
of the artistry of their music and an insatiable desire to soak
up as much of the allegory that they pack into their shows as is
humanly possible.  Yes, I wish the concerts would last longer and
that there would be more encores; but, alas, I can't have every-
thing I want.  If the quality, quantity, or duration of the encores
bothers you, either skip the show or encourage the band to double
the ticket prices and play twice as long!!!

--
I) I I <^ I_I              chris anderson
I\ I_I _> I I              dept of chem, THE ohio state university

cander@sodium.mps.ohio-state.edu
andersonc@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu

we don't get all of the gov't we pay for (sic) -- thank god!
                                                - milton fidman
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: circle, star, nude man (?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:03:05 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1asanaINNb0d@bigboote.WPI.EDU> suemac@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Susan Beth MacPherson) writes:

>This is in reference to the confusion about the pentagram.  A five pointed
>star, usually inscribed in a circle, is known as a pentgram, only when one
>of the points is up.  The pentagram is a symbol representing the five senses,
>the five elements(earth, air, fire, water, and Akasha, an omnipresent
>spiritual power), the hand, or the human body.[...]

But doesn't a pentagram have the points at the end of line segments so
that there is an inverted pentagon in the center? There are no lines
connecting the points of the star on the cover of 2112. 
    
>Anyone else have any ideas?

What about a reference to the red star of communism? I've always
thought of the whole man in star as being the symbol of oppression
of the individual. Geddy has said that it symbolizes ``man against
the masses.''


Gregg




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From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Neil's drumming
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:25:41 GMT

In <3OCT199223510751@sigma.tamu.edu> krm3611@sigma.tamu.edu (Ken McWatters) writes:

>When he's alternating the ride/hi-hat notes in the Hyperspace section,
>he's playing the hi-hat with his left hand, & the ride with his right, bringing
>the left hand to hit the snare on 2 & 4.  So each hand doesn't have to go that
>fast.

Of course!  It's impossible to play that with one hand!  But, I have to
disagree with one thing.  Each hand *DOES* have to go fast, almost as fast
as Tom Sawyer.  Playing that fast *and* that smoothly makes it difficult.  I
also have an added difficulty in that I'm left handed, used to leading left
more than right, but I play a kit set up right-handed, and I ride with my
right hand.....

>A similar lick is in Tom Sawyer after "...He knows changes aren't 
>permanent;  but change is." but he keeps the left hand on the snare the whole
>time.  Also just before the lyrics begin in Subdivisions, he's using his left
>hand on the hi-hat, and moving from the ride to the snare 2 & 4 w/ his right... 
>that's a favorite of mine.

I'm having difficulty remembering exactly what he's doing at that part at the
moment (it all comes pack to me when I'm playing though).  About Subdivisions,
that's how I play it, but it sounds like he has both hands on the hi-hat, with
the right hand going to the ride and snare, and the left occasionally going
to the snare.  I can't imagine him stretching from the hi-hat to the ride
like that though.  Perhaps he's actually playing the crotale instead of the
ride?  I don't know.  That's one song that I can only approximate.

>I did, though, it took me about a year to actually learn to do this repeating
>double bass/tom roll... about as long as it did to learn an clean open-stroke 
>roll in my early percussion days.  So Neil basically introduced me to a 
>fundamental of drum set playing.

If you thought that was hard, what do you think about breaking up paradiddle
rudiments and Swiss triplets all over the kit, among all four limbs?

>By the way, while in college I've been lucky enough to get to play with some
>guitarists who know some Rush.  It is really incredible to get to play a song
>by Rush... you almost feel like you're in Neil's shoes.  Any other musicians
>out there who've been able to live this fantasy?

I have to agree here.  Yes, it's *very* fun to jam to Rush songs, but it's
fun to jam to any song if the part for your instrument is good.

I can't wait for the percussion newsgroup........


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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: neil's cross?
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:33:23 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Sep26.065021.3037@cc.umontreal.ca> tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes:

>>>I am not trying to flame anybody, but hey, let's not take a fashion state-
>>>ment to be a philosophical statement.
 
>>Rush is against fashion statements as a matter of principle...


>Well Gregg, if Rush is against fashion statements as a matter of
>principle, how do you explain[:] 

Now, I say this because of word-of-the-mouth evidence ``It's not how we
act or the clothes we wear that's important, it's the music''
(paraphrase) and lyrical evidence that music is ``the real relation,
the underlying theme'' (``Limelight'').

On to the points made, but let's ask _what_ a fashion statement _is_.
My understanding of fashion statements is that they are acts of dress
for the purpose of influencing the tastes of others. (I believe Rush
have absolutely no interest in influencing people through their
dress).

>1) Alex's progressively stylish  hair (from the Frampton perm of the late seve-
>nties through the new wave look of the early eighties to his current very
>GQ look?

Actually, to make matters look `worse' I understand that Alex's hair is
in part _implants_! Hey, maybe the guy just likes having nice haircuts.
I mean, if you go to a hair stylist (especially one he could afford :) )
then the stylist will automatically give you a cut that's `hip.' 

>2) How do you explain Geddy's current, Hair parted in the middle, lennon-specs
>black vest and levi's-I-look-like-a-member-of-The-Grapes-of-Wrath-or-some-other-young-quasi-altern-canadian-band-look!

He's always _liked_ sleeveless clothing as is evidenced from the
photographic history of the band, even as far back as CoS. I think
this has nothing to do with `fashion statements.' As for the specs,
Ged's pretty limited in what'll look good on him, I'd say, like many
of us. If they looked _stupid_ on him, I could believe they were
picked for some other reason.

>3) How do you explain the kimonos and robes of the mid-seventies and the
>rap on Roll-the-Bones?

The kimonos and robes were _fun_, I'd say! As for the rap, it has
nothing to do with dressing! 

>Rush has become too fashion-conscious of late, if you ask me, 
>that's why I tuned out Presto and RTB.

All the worse for you, IMHO. _You_ forgot the `real relation' and
gave into mainstream rock-n-roll behavior, it seems to me. 



Gregg


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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:51:06 EDT
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush trivia
 <0uH8RB6w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us>

Is Neil left handed?

Cool, so am I  :)

Mike
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Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu 
Subject: Re: New album soon, or no?
Originator: jlwoodal@c00566-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: dont get your hopes up
Organization: Solar Federation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:56:50 GMT


I was just wondering if anyone had heard.
Not like I'm holding my breath or anything.
I'm fuckin' pissed.  (NO FLAMES! ).   After a very
LONG year of trying so hard to convince myself
that I truly do LIKE Suck the Bone, I have finally
come to the realization that Rush now sucks.
HOPEFULLY the next CD won't be such a harsh
disappointment, but who knows?  They seem so
proud of the fact that they recorded the dog
so fast, but is there anything REMOTELY interesting
on it??????  I listened to MOVING PICTURES this morning,
and after 11 YEARS I still LOVE IT!!!  After 10 years,
I can't get enough of Signals, so why was I bored
of Suck the Bone after three listens???????????
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: pmadden@grumpy.helios.nd.edu (patrick madden)
Subject: Re: What did he say?
Reply-To: pmadden@grumpy.helios.nd.edu (patrick madden)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:20:26 GMT

In article <19v9ruINNave@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer) writes:
|> 
|> In a previous article, inde7lo@rosie.uh.edu (Bob Abraham) says, in part:
|> 
|> >What the hell is Geddy saying towards the end of "La Villa..." on the live
|> >ESL album?
|> 
|>    According to the liner notes of the LP (vinyl? yep!), it's a French
|> nursery rhyme (like "Patty-cake") which Geddy is singing in French.
|> A 'translation' is printed, but I've forgotten what it said--something
|> about, "Daddy's going to buy you some new shoes."  Anyway, I've always
|> half-suspected that Geddy was just babbling and they printed this
|> 'explanation' as yet another joke (kind of like the flashing radiation
|> signs during the very same song in the 'Show of Hands' video).
|>    Watching for Monsters,
|> 
|> 		-EMeyer

How do you know it's French?  It doesn't say it is in the lp liner notes,
it just includes a translation.  I've read (I think in _Visions_ by the
B-man) that they used to sing songs in Serbo-Croatian, the language of
Alex' parents' homeland, Yugoslavia.  Maybe that's it???

Pat
From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: YYZ YYZ YYZ YYZ YYZ
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:39:23 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Kevin Waite writes that YYZ is the international code for Toronto Intn'l Air-
port and that the opening bell-pattern is morse code for YYZ, here's some-
thing y'all didn't know: if you arrange the bass and guitar lines and chords
for YYZ so that they are playable on a single guitar (finger-picked, natu-
rally) you get a really cool flamenco track.  TRY IT! 

Chris in Montreal
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: inde7lo@rosie.uh.edu (92F02544)
Subject: Re: To Be OR Not To Be A RUSH Fan
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.064407.2910@cc.umontreal.ca>, tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes...
>RE: True fans
> 
>Guys,
> 
>being a true fan of RUSH or any band also means being critical.
>If Rush does something that sucks, then face up to it:
>it sucks!  Unconditional acceptance of all that they do
>is the mark of obsession and immaturity, not fandom.
> 
>Recall, if you will, Neil's recent radio interview and
>how he rejects the notion of heroes.
> 
>Let's face it, everybody makes mistakes, everybody is
>human, even the guys in Rush.  I'm pretty sure that
>any musician appreciates an honest critical appraisal of
>his or her work rather than unconditional acceptance.
> 
>Chris in Montreal

Here, Here!  To love ANYTHING Rush does just because it's Rush
is idiotic.  You should be able to compare what they are doing now
to their previous accomplishments.  Also compare to what other bands
are doing; get some perspective.  I know a couple of Rush fans who 
refuse to listen to anything else and believe anything Rush produces
is sacred.  I don't think this is what the members of Rush wanted.  I'm
sure they would like some honest criticism rather than unconditional
acceptance.
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The BIG change -- a new thread?
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:27:19 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <D40374W.92Sep26223338@kaira.hut.fi> d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen) writes:
>In article <96813@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
> I wouldn't consider this a "less is more" attitude,
>IMO, it's merely the want to leave out the inessential. The compositions
>on Permanent Waves aren't worse than those on the preceeding albums;
>they are shorter, tighter and more effective. 

It was always my understanding that ``less is more'' means
_exactly_ leaving out the inessential.

>I don't think there was any "less is more" attitude. In fact, Neil
>has himself said that he is not one of those who think that less
>is more. "A lot of the time, less is less." -NP

I'd be interested in knowing the context of this quote, because of
the above understanding of ``less is more'' in art. Maybe an art
student out there could fill us in a bit on this bit of art
terminology? I seem to recall Neil saying understanding ``less
is more'' as I have in the above...

Gregg




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From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: RTB Rap
Summary: you had to ask...
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:04:36 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

The first time I heard that rap, I just about died laughing. Come on, folks,
everybody has this picture of the boyz as an ultra-serious band, but if you
take a good, hard listen, then I think you'll discover their sense of humor
everywhere in places you'd never expect.

Where do ya think Geddy comes up with all these obnoxious but cool bass lines?
Not to mention that Alex often demos an even more obnoxious drum machine 
pattern that Neil sometimes keeps on the final track?

BTW, in response to whoever it was that was mightily impressed by Alex's
switching from acoustic to electric and back in Presto (the song), I hate
to burst your bubble, but it ain't that difficult in the land of multi-
track mixers and overdubs...

Frank Sellin
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"I've lost a few more hairs...
I think I, I'm goin' bald...."
          ----from the tune of the same name...
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From: fpippy@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Looking for RUSH pins
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:39:34 GMT
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada

Would anybody have or know where to get lapel pins with RUSH on them?
Email me with any info.

Thanks
Frank


Frank Pippy	Memorial University Of Newfoundland
fpippy@kean.ucs.mun.ca
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Neil on the Rolling Stones
Keywords: citation included
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:38:08 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department


Here's what Neil has said about the ``it's only rock-n-roll'' Rolling
Stones in an interview:


Begins with interviewer: `` `But let's face it -- rock music isn't 
Jesus Christ back on earth' I [J. Kordosh, interviewer] said. 
`It's simply another mode of entertainment. It _can_ be funny.' 

[Neil:] `If you look at it that way. To me, it's a reflection of
life...'

 `Do you feel guilty at all about making as much money as you do
compared to other people...'

`Uh, no; on the contrary...'

`What about the other people?'

`Which other people?'

`You know, the ones that work for a living.'

`It's really not the same. I mean, I have done ordinary jobs. You 
can't go out in front of 10,000 people and make a fool of yourself...'

`I [Kordosh]'ve heard the Stones slop up songs beyond belief... It
was OK.'

`They're the people that laugh at their audience,' explained the patient
Peart.

`The Stones?'

`Sure they do. You don't think they're good?' This wasn't a question;
it was a statement.

`I [Kordosh] think they've written a good song or two.'

`You can't say they're good musicians,' countered Peart,...

`They're good musicians. They're astute songwriters.'

`Astute? In other words, clever marketing strategists.' ''

---
End of excerpt. The complete interview is available via ftp from
syrinx. Just in case anyone thought my comment about Neil's statements
about the Stones were `inside information'...



Gregg


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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Strange Morse Code!
Date: 28 Sep 92 04:42:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Sep28.015412.27734@cc.umontreal.ca> tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes:

>  En fait, Hine est un producteur
>que je deteste. 

Moi aussi!

>Il a completement demoli Chris de Burgh
>et Saga, quand il a travaille sur leurs microsillions.

C'est vrai.

>Je trouve qu'il exerce trop d'influence sur les
>musiciens avec lesquels il travaille et qu'il y a
>beacoup de semblance entre les disques des artistes
>divers qui ont travaille avec lui.

Mais c'est pas le cas avec Rush, je crois.

>  En fait, je
>trouve que le choix de Hine comme producteur vraiement
>bizarre car, avant la sortie de Presto et Role the Bones,
>les gars de Rush affirmaient qu'ils voulaient moins du
>synthe et plus de guitares dans leur musique et une
>sonorite moins sur-produit, ce qui n'est pas du tout
>le cas avec les deux derniers albums, dans mon optique,
>les deux derniers albums sont les plus electroniques et
>articifiels de l'histoire de Rush.

Pourquoi dites vous ca?


Gregg

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From: therese@crchh588.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Therese McCarthy)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush is getting old and boring
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:03:48 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

In article <1992Oct5.192807.9644@ncsu.edu>, jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu  writes:
|> >What kind of energy are you talking about?  Do you think Geddy should do 
|> >those split jumps (what David Lee Roth of Van Halen fame) used to do to get
|> >the crowd energized?  Can't you appreciate the infamous one-legged hop Geddy
|> >does across the stage?  Think about it, how could Geddy sing, play bass and
|> >synthesizer, do the pedals AND move around on stage and act like an
|> >idiot?  What about Neil then?  I think his drumstick tosses are way cool,
|> >doesn't that get the crowd going?
|> 
|> 
|> Woahh....  You're still stuck in the age of Pre-Midi, pal.
|> The synth and old "Bass Pedals" have been replaced by a Macintosh.
|> Well ok, Ged still plays synth every once in a while, but the pedals
|> are gone.

I stand corrected......
From: mcr1@quads.uchicago.edu (mark conley roller)
Subject: Re: The worst Rush song
Reply-To: mcr1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:33:31 GMT


somebody wrote "Rivendell." as the worst rush song--
and I wholeheartedly agree- the lyrics are kinda neat from
the tolkien deal, but the song itself is so deadbeat I have
only listened to it once since I have had the album (8 years)

Chris
From: jlwoodal@garcia.warfield.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: New album soon, or no?
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:14:38 GMT
Reply-To: jlwoodal@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: Solar Federation
Originator: jlwoodal@c00060-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu


New album soon, or no?