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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:18:17 -0400
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: English translation

Excerpts from catholic: 16-Oct-92 Re: English translation Bob von
Buelow@SPIKE.JPL (1373)

> >     Im glad that you are so lucky! The Newman Center at Ohio State might
> >as well be a protestant prayer meeting. Even my not-so-orthodox-as-me
> >sister-in-law quit going there, after she heard "Glory to God in the highest,
> >
>  [ text deleted]

> >Karl Schudt O.R.C.
> >(Orthodox Roman Catholic)

> Amazing!  I again find this to be Protestant bashing.  Is there something
> wrong with protestant prayer meetings?  Are they not good people trying
> their best to know God?

I love Protestant prayer meetings.  They just have no place being held
by Catholics! What I mean is that no Catholic prayer meeting should deny
the Catholic faith and embrace Protestant doctrine.

I don't recall the original message, maybe I haven't receive it yet, so
I don't know what Karl was talking about.  Personally, though, I think
we could learn a lot from the zeal and joy of our Protestant brethren,
and their spirituality as well.  As long as we don't adopt their
doctrines which are contrary to our own faith, that's OK.

Also, whenever Catholics celebrate liturgy, it should not be illicitly
modified to omit parts that would be offensive to Protestants.  If a
Catholic liturgy "looks like a Protestant prayer meeting" I assume this
means that it is missing crucial parts; simply because the people raise
their hands, use modern music, and sing loudly wouldn't make it a
"Protestant prayer meeting."

Excerpts from catholic: 16-Oct-92 Re: English translation Bob von
Buelow@SPIKE.JPL (1373)

> And Eric, shouting heresy before investigating the facts (provided by
> Steve [thank you]).

Are you speaking of this Newman center thing?  All I did was make a
judgment based on what he said.  Steve didn't exactly give a glowing
report of it, either.

> Amazing.  Can't you see what is happening here?  The church is moving,
> and that change apparently has a lot of you very upset.  I see it as the
> Holy Spirit at work.

I'm getting tired of all sorts of errors being identified as "the work
of the Holy Spirit."  I am a charismatic Catholic and I know what the
work of the Holy Spirit is, and I am far from a lifeless stoic
traditionalist. The Holy Spirit does things like gives people spiritual
gifts, sets people on fire for Jesus, convicts people of their sin, and
brings people closer to God.  He does not cause us to fall into grave
error.  Anything the "Holy Spirit" supposedly does must be checked
against divine revelation.  The Holy Spirit would _never_ lead someone
to omit the Creed or the Pentitential rite -- heck if anything, the Holy
Spirit would cause people to fall prostrate on the floor in sorrow for
their sins! Far from leading them to omit the Creed, it would cause them
to shout with joy all of the truths of our faith!  The Holy Spirit
brings us BACK to the faith, He doesn't lead us into a new faith.

Too many people use the Holy Spirit as an excuse for justifying error.
Go to a charismatic prayer meeting and see what the Holy Spirit _really_
does.

Eric
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