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From: danield@unlv.edu (Daniel Z. Davidson)
Subject: Re: TARDISy things
Organization: The Collective Insanity
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 03:07:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.022832.12736@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.095307.22171@cs.ucf.edu> wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
[Snip Snip Snip]
>>2) The professor's TARDIS materializes IN A WALL of the Krarg Carrier Ship
>>in the form of a door. I thought it was pretty evident that the TARDIS could
>>materialize around things but not in them. The fact that it occurs in a wall
>>comes straight out of the script (since it's not in the video then it's not
>>canon, right!?).

>Well, how about this... That TARDIS materialized around a section of the wall
>just large enough for the TARDIS to fit into, then the Chameleon Circuit re-
>formed the TARDIS into a replica of part of the wall, with a door in it. Does
>that make any sense? So, somewhere inside that TARDIS there woould be a large,
>free-standing section of spaceship-wall.


How about something even simpler.  The Exterior Of a Tardis is infinitly 
Configurable right?  With a working Camelion curcuit they can take any size,
and shape, and the exterior size is NOT related at all to the interior size.

Try this on for size.  What if the exterior of the Tardis Was configured with
and infenitessimal width, and was placed up against the wall?  Then it would
be infront of the wall, and there would be no problem with it having to
materilize around or in the wall. It would just be infront of the wall.  Sorta
like Leaning a Piece of cardboard upagainst the wall, Bute the cardboard would
have esentaialy no depth to it.  

Does that sound like a plauseable way to make it work?

Daniel
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(danield@cs.unlv.edu)
From: morgans@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Colin Baker poll
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:37:04 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Nov16.122558.12932@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>, HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
>> 

[previos opinions in favor of the 6th doctor's portrayal deleted]

Yes, you are correct, I was very turned off by the acidity of the 6th 
Doctor's portrayal - non-huggable is a good way of describing it.  But I 
can see that some of the stories were good - it seemed that CBaker toned 
down abit in the 2 doctors, who's influence that was, I don't know.  But 
you must also remember the impression that having the whinny, nasally Peri 
around had on alot of US fans - it really turned them off.  I really don't 
like to see someone bouncing around as much as she did without the proper 
support - if you get my drift - it is just too embaressing.
The fault (if there is any, and that is debatable) could lie anywhere.  I 
once heard that CBaker REALLY wanted to be the Doctor - but that the 
portrayal was out of his hands, he had to do it as the script editor, 
producer, director or whoever told him to be abrasive.  Not a nice 
situation over there at the Beeb.
But different strokes for different folks, some people like him, some 
people hate him, so people are indifferent.

Later
Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
From: tellenburg@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: drewcifer
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:45:42 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

Drewcifer

	my apologies on mispelling your name.  sorry  truly!



	Timelady Rogaenon

it was the best of times, it was the worst of times
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Your firsts
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 05:23:52 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:

- In article <XR7muB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
- >
- > - <IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
- > -
- > - > I would like to hear how some of my fellow "Whovians" were
- > - > first introduced into the series - It was quite a powerfull
- > - > experience for me (or as powerfull as a child might imagine!)
- > - > when I watched "Genesis of The Daleks" on channel 2. It was
- > - > the best show I'd ever seen ! - The mystery of the whole series
- > - > was a joy to unravel, to get to know the doctor and his interesting
- > - > happenings. In short - it's the last Televison show I'll watch!
- > - > But anyway, I'd like to hear from anyone on this...
- > - >
- > - >
- > - >    Scorby...
-
-
- My turn.
-
 Notice who this guy coattails.

              O   O
                |
                |
              O   O
               O O
                O

 That's ONE BIG SMILEY!

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
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From: c8643631@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Mr Flibble)
Subject: Ace's age
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:26:58 GMT

There seems to be a misconception about Ace's age in the series.
She is not 19-20.

In Dragonfire, Kane asks how old she is and she says:

    "Six-- Eighteen."

Ace is only 16 at the beginning of her run and 17 (maybe) in 'Survival'.
That's pretty young.

Edward
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From: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Subject: ytv could delete dw from
Reply-To: "dale clayton" <dale.clayton@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:53:10 EST

Dave Y. wrote:

-> When I last spoke to Michelle Lee, then the programming director of
-> YTV, she said in point form:

<points not quoted>

-> Dale, Danial, Jason, this is why I posted a request for telephone
-> confirmation to YTV as  a) long distance charges have to be
-> considered, b) timing for me is shot.

 As I posted in an earlier message, I had someone call YTV. They spoke
with Michelle Lee who said that they are continuing to air DW into 1994.
 When did you last speak to her anyway? Did you get your info right? Or
are you just fear mongering?

Regards,
Dale Clayton
-----------------------
dale.clayton@canrem.com
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From: lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Ace we love you (well, some of us)
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:45:15 GMT


Ace reminds me of a friend of mine, that's why I like her.  She has
overcome most of her emotional screwups with grit and determination
(at least by the time of "Nightshade") and she is a strong, admirable
character, originally one of life's walking wounded, now a true hero.

And yes, I do think she has the most interesting character in Doctor
Who.  Compare her to the Master (who I'm constantly expecting to
see tying wenches to railway lines).

Apart from Romana she's the only character I can admire in Doctor
Who (aside from the mid-period Doctor).

At the beginning and in the most recent time, the Doctor is an antihero,
which is why we need characters like Ian, Barbara and Ace to be our
representatives.  Anyone can see that.

Ace we love you!

-- 
Lawrence McIlhoney Esq., Department of Electronics
University of Southampton, United Kingdom           "Vegetable Rights
E-mail lm89@uk.ac.soton.ecs                             and Peace!"
From: perl@acsu.buffalo.edu (David T Perl)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dracula
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:32:41 GMT
Organization: UB



I'm not sure that Sean Connery would make a good Doctor Who.  I think that he 
would give the doctor too much of a physical aspect.  Connery is used to 
playing the action adventure type.  Although there have been active Doctors
such as pertwee I still think that connery would be too active.  He would
lack some of the calmer strategical aspects of the doctor.  I agree that 
having his name attached to a Doctor Who movie would probably give it an
added boost but as much of a Connery fan as I am I don' think that he would 
be good in the role.
-- 
			     ---David---
			perl@acsu.buffalo.edu
"If I knew everything that was going to happen, where would all the fun be."
		           ---The Doctor---
From: sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Request--Help on "Battlefield" quote
Date: 23 Nov 1992 16:55:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


Right, there's a quote from the end of _Battlefield_ that I
simply adore, but I can't quite remember exactly how it goes 
anymore, and I can't get ahold of the tape to find out what it is.
Could anyone who has it please e-mail me with the full quote...

It was the scene when the Dr. was confronting morgaine in the
command trailer, trying desperately to prevent her from starting
Armageddon. It went something like this (snatches of it, at least).

. . . All across the world fools are ready to let death fly . . .
. . . A light *brighter* than the sun.  No tears,  only ashes . . .
...Not a war between peoples, not a war between nations, just death
--Death gone *MAD*...
...Are these the weapons that you would use? Answer me Morgaine...

If possible, could you please respond with the whole of the Doctor's
speech from the time he entered the trailer, and Morgaine's 
responses.  It would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks ahead.
-- 
"There is no 'good', there is no 'evil': | "Morality equals
 There is what works and what does not." |  theremodynamics."
"Thousands of lives may go for nought, but one may decide all."
"The best weapon is truth--most minds can't deal with honesty."
From: perl@acsu.buffalo.edu (David T Perl)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Movie casting was Re: Dracula
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:29:49 GMT
Organization: UB




I agree.  I think that Connery would make a good Master.  It would also make
a neat change to see him play something other than the hero.   Besides, you're
-- 
			     ---David---
			perl@acsu.buffalo.edu
"If I knew everything that was going to happen, where would all the fun be."
		           ---The Doctor---
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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Ace we love you (well, some of us)
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:19:09 GMT

In article <13554@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:
|> 
|> Ace reminds me of a friend of mine, that's why I like her.  She has
|> overcome most of her emotional screwups with grit and determination
|> (at least by the time of "Nightshade") and she is a strong, admirable
|> character, originally one of life's walking wounded, now a true hero.

You should read Love and War!    (it's nodda spoilah!)


Really, without giving anything away, it's a GREAT book. Thoughtful, 
insightful, but yet it maintains a great sense of pacing. Paul Cornell is my
favorite Who novelist as of this afternoon.
|> 
|> At the beginning and in the most recent time, the Doctor is an antihero,
|> which is why we need characters like Ian, Barbara and Ace to be our
|> representatives.  Anyone can see that.

Again, straining to keep my mouth shut, READ LOVE AND WAR!!!!

|> -- 
|> Lawrence McIlhoney Esq., Department of Electronics
|> University of Southampton, United Kingdom           "Vegetable Rights
|> E-mail lm89@uk.ac.soton.ecs                             and Peace!"

-- 
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From: 1-4514@tardis.cojones.com (The Dm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Movie                
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:47:15 GMT

 -=> Quoting Wtfd.orst.edu (Jeremy Schatz) <=-

 W(S> From: schatzj@WTFD.ORST.EDU (Jeremy Schatz)

 W(S> This is my first time posting her , so please excuse any mistakes.
                                   ^^^^^

 Strange I don't see "her" anywhere around here :) (sorry just had to comment
 on that slip since I do it all the time )

        The DM

Trust me, I'm your friend


... Those who fail to repeat history are doomed to study it.
--- Blue Wave/QWK v2.10
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Subject: Re: ADRIC'S DEATH..IT WAS MOVING!!!!
From: bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:07:33 GMT
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics

In article <Bxovn7.J2D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:

>Admittedly Adric was not the most popular character but earthshock had
>me gripped from beginning to end.

Even when watching this on vidio tape, I still get stunned by this
sceen.  I always had the feeling Adric would have been a much better
character if he was allowed to mature a bit.  How about a Dr. Who
story were Adric gets pulled out by the Timescoop right before his
death.  Then The Doctor and Adric could have a proper parting before
Adric is returned to his proper place and time...  (Obcourse they
would both realize the consiquences of his return and the neccisity
of it.  However, we can leave Ace completely clueless.)

                                 Bill


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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: ace? more like deuce... h
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:26:01 EST

I just read your post to Drewcifer.  It was very well thought out.
Applause!  Applause!
--
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From: nitro9@hardy.u.washington.edu (Nitro-9)
Subject: Usenet gathering at Visions '92
Organization: "There's a Penguin on the Tele- of Baton Rouge"
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:12:10 GMT

As I have already posted this once- I'll be brief. For those of you who did
not see it the first time, we will again meet at Visions to terrorize the 
unsuspecting congoers. I will leave a note on the bullitin board they will
invarriably have in the hotel lobby about when and where. Drop me some e-mail
if you want to discuss it.

-Kris

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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: ytv could delete dw from
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:33:12 EST

Points:

1.  Ref:  YTV.  This is the most important point, so if you want to skip
hereafter, you can do so.  As far as I know, YTV has *dropped* Doctor
Who.  When I first hit Toronto, it was in the TV Guide, but not aired.
Now it isn't even in the listings.  If you know that it is on, any time,
any channel, in this area, *please* write back.

2.  Ref:  Sword Rattling.  I'm afraid you've lost me.  I could accuse
Drewcifer of this, but I (hope?  think?) my postings are somewhat
different.  First, I try to keep the postings as short as I can while
conveying what I want to say.  Second, my postings are, at least as far
as the Ace Flame War is concerned, referencing the postings of the
"combatants".  I don't have a side in this, so I can't really be "sword
rattling", can I?  But...if I think someone's arguement is well thought
out...or really stupid...I'll tell them, and I'll tell them why.  And,
if I think someone's getting a bad shake, I'll mention that, too.  I
like to see the comparisons of companions, and how people view them, but
I don't really care what someone else's opinion is...that's their
business...unless it affects me.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Ace we love you (well, some of us)
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:15:34 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <13554@ecs.soton.ac.uk> lm89@ecs.soton.ac.uk (McIlhoney L) writes:




>(at least by the time of "Nightshade") and she is a strong, admirable

The time of what?  Was this a broadcast episode?  If not, I scarcely think
you can cite it as furthering characterization.

>Apart from Romana she's the only character I can admire in Doctor
>Who (aside from the mid-period Doctor).

Your standards must be pretty high.  I thought Leela was pretty admirable,
as were Nyssa and Jamie.

>At the beginning and in the most recent time, the Doctor is an antihero,
>which is why we need characters like Ian, Barbara and Ace to be our
>representatives.  Anyone can see that.

WHAT??????  Now, I didn't follow this up in order to argue over Ace.  I'm
through with that, even if everyone else isn't done putting their two cents
in.  But I will DEFINITELY argue with the Doctor being an antihero.  Explain
yourself, please!  Give me your definition of an antihero as well, so we can
debate this intellectually.


>-- 
>Lawrence McIlhoney Esq., Department of Electronics
>University of Southampton, United Kingdom           "Vegetable Rights
>E-mail lm89@uk.ac.soton.ecs                             and Peace!"

I do like your quote, however.  "Look at that interesting thing up there!"

-- 
****************************************************************************
*  Andrew David Simchik *  DISCLAIMER: I said it... 			   *
*  a.k.a. Drewcifer     *  			No one else would!	   *							   *
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From: HISC9016351D@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Movie   (source of script)
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:41:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: lugb.1992Nov16.114107.12505
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

> 
> My cousin found and bought a pirate copy of the script for this proposed
> movie and I read some of it.  I had to stop about a third of the way in
> because I couldn't stand it anymore.
> 
> The opening scene before the credits takes place in Victorian England
> out on the streets.  We see Jack the Ripper approach a prostitute and
> begin to kill/dismember her, when the prostitute turns around and pulls
> off a wig to reveal the Doctor.  The Doctor then pulls off a mask off
> of the Ripper to reveal an alien.  He then gets rid of the alien 
> (I forget how, but the alien is either gone from the planet or killed),
> turns and runs down a street being chased by policemen, gets into the
> TARDIS at the end of the street and takes off.
> 
> Then the credits roll.
> 
> When we come back to the action, we're inside the TARDIS and the Doctor
> is getting a message from his "companion" over the scanner screen.
> She is on Gallifrey telling him to report back (!) as there is some
> trouble he needs to deal with and he does.
> 
> The villains in the piece seem to think that by possessing a TARDIS'
> Time Rotor, they will then have the key to time travel, and they set
> about a "Key to Time" type search for missing segments of the Rotor
> and the key to the ship the Rotor is housed in.  And so we wind up
> planet-hopping and era-hopping a LOT.  Every other scene seems to shift
> to a new locale.
> 
> The Doctor also seems to pick up new companions in the story quite early
> on and voices no objections whatsoever to these companions carrying
> heavy arms and machine guns with them, not even when they use them in a
> bullet spree in a 20th century museum.  They're aiming for the villains
> and instead take out thirty civilians and he doesn't say a word!!!!
> 
> At one point, the villainess has the Doctor alone in his cell, and she
> starts stepping to his side saying, "Think of what we could have had
> together Doctor."  
> 
> This was the point where I threw the script down in disgust.
> 
> On top of that, as if it weren't bad enough, the dialog was the most
> cliched and stilted thing I had ever seen, Gallifrey was being treated
> like Time Police Central, with the Doctor and other "Time Lords" coming
> in and out like it was a New York precinct, all on missions somewhere.
> Hardy a non-interference directive is it?
> 
> 
> 
> If this is truly the script for the Doctor Who Movie, and it did look
> authentic, then I for one will not be cueing up to see it.
> 
>The synopsis of this script was printed in the British publication, DWB
sometime early this year.  I remember it took up a double page spread and
was more detailed than the above.  
 
> Steven.K.Manfred
> 
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From: fung@cs.UAlberta.CA (Fung Rick)
Subject: dr. who scripts
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:25:35 GMT

Hello. I have a few scripts from the series. I would like to aquire more. I 
have the highlanders, the five doctors and part one of the power of the daleks.
If you have any scripts from the show I'll trade photocopy for photocopy.
let me know here. thankx. I am using a friends id, so response's will be
relayed through him. expect some delay.

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From: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood)
Subject: Re: Your firsts
Reply-To: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl
Organization: ESA/Estec/WMS, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:52:22 GMT

>In article <XR7muB2w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>>
>> - <IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>> -
>> - > I would like to hear how some of my fellow "Whovians" were
>> - > first introduced into the series - It was quite a powerfull
>> - > experience for me (or as powerfull as a child might imagine!)
>> - > when I watched "Genesis of The Daleks" on channel 2. It was
>> - > the best show I'd ever seen ! - The mystery of the whole series
>> - > was a joy to unravel, to get to know the doctor and his interesting
>> - > happenings. In short - it's the last Televison show I'll watch!
>> - > But anyway, I'd like to hear from anyone on this...
>> - >
>> - >
>> - >    Scorby...

My turn.

As with Barry Williams, being British, I have always watched Dr Who.
My Dad has watched it religeously since 1963. So, every Saturday
evening at 5:15, Dr Who would be on the TV in our home. I must have
been watching it even as a tiny tot, though I obviously have little
recollection of this. My earliest recollections of the programme
must be from The Curse of Peladon (when I was two years old).
Beyond that, I remember very small snippets up until the end of the
Jon Pertwee era.

What really got me well and truly hooked though was the Dr Who magazine,
launched as the Dr Who Comic in 1979. It provided so much extra
information, filling in the gaps in my memory, that I became a devoted 
fan overnight.

As an aside, I still have a collection of Doctor Who memorabilia in 
my parents loft: Doctor Who comic (all issues), Doctor Who Monthly
(frokm the start upto about issue 120 I think - I'd have to check),
about sixty novelisations (of which about twenty are original issues
with Chris Achilleos artwork) and a stack of autographed postcards
(Tom Baker, Pat Troughton, Janet Fielding, Sarah Sutton and Mark
Strickson).

If anyone wants to e-mail me a serious offer, I'll dig the stuff out when
I go home for Christmas, and give you a precise inventory of what I have.


Phil Isherwood.
pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl


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