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From: tom@pictel.com (Tom Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: The Great Killington-Keystone Shootout - Follow-up
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:37:59 GMT
Organization: PictureTel Corporation

From a person who skis Killington A LOT because he has NO other
choice to ski in the east besides......"

In article <1992Sep28.091144@is.morgan.com> sergei@is.morgan.com (Sergei Poliakoff) writes:
[...lots of stuff deleted]
>
>Secondly, although Western slopes do seem significantly steeper
>(some pretty hairy stuff in Aspen Highlands and Aspen itself; people
>say it gets even steeper in Jackson and may be Snowbird ; I'm not looking
>forward to it), indeed Outer Limits seem  to be more difficult to ski. 
>It is usually iced up ; besides, ski traffic creates bump shapes and 
>patterns that I rarely see in Colorado, which adds significant challenge.

as also a person who skis Jackson Hole every other year...because it
has the most steep (within bounds) skiing:

Yah!!!! Jackson is incredible...look at the chutes you can 
go down, and so many places where you just point your skis
and avoid the rocks (when there is NO snow), and just
get CRAZY!!!! Tower 3 Chutes, the Expert Chutes, Corbets..., 
I could continue on, but that would be ranting!!!! 

Ski Killington because there is NO better place in the east, but
go west every year (like I do), and ski Utah or Colorado or 
Jackson!!! 

BTW, I seem to have see some comments about Wolf Creek...I hear that
it gets some of the most snow in Colorado, and although its old, it
has lots of great powder....I am thinking about a trip there 
(if it snows out west this year...:-?)

[more deleted...]...Killington bragging here...
>The trail  in Hunter is K27 and it is steeper then OL. Another very steep
>Hunter trail , Anapurna ,  is perpetually closed.
>Killington itself has steeper terrain : e.g.,neighbouring Devil's Fiddle;
You didn't go last year....they dynamited the steep part of Devils Fiddle 
and made it a lot easier!! Bummer, I sorta liked the chutes and going
over that one rock (which always seem to have snow), and enjoying
free fall skiing.......

>often-neglected Ovation is significantly steeper and has sustained pitch, 
Gotta agree ovation is incredible, when its skiable (and even when its
NOT...get those edges sharpened and go for it!!!)


>headwalls of Superstar and Sky Lark are steeper.
sometimes SuperStar can be fun, but Sky Lark....where are you coming
from friend??????? where is the headwall at SkyLark (a "blue" but fun run)

>OL has three features : 
>	it has sustained pitch, looking like almost and artificial thing.
>	it goes right under the lift
>	it  is in full view, almost top to bottom, from the Bear Mountain Lodge.
>that make it a good "publicity" slope.
Yah, I love OL...there are some great lines, and lots of bumps...when
it gets soft it is incredibly fun...and at killington the saying
goes...its always sunnier and warmer at Bear!! (oops, just gave out
a ~secret...." ignore that...

enuf ranting...

Tom
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: Re: Permanant snow fields in Colorado
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 21:32:06 GMT

drew@hamlet.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:

>With the prospect of new snow in the high country, I'm starting 
>to get more interested in early season skiing.  Obviously, 
>snowfields where there is already a base are prime for 
>this.

>I've been to St. Marry's, and am wondering how Isabel Glacier
>and Montezuma compare to it, and exactly where they are.

There is a book called The Best of Colorado Summer Skiing-
it lists about 30 or so places to ski with exact locations
and approximate times the snow is skiable.  I found a
copy at the local library.

Mark

From: jwl@otter.hpl.hp.com (John Lumley)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 11:00:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Skiing in Arizona (near flagstaff?) (Question)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, beutel@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jim Beutel) writes:

> important to me. Although NOTHING compares to Alta, Utah. ........

I agree, I feel you'd be much happier skiing NOTHING, than going to Alta -
you won't like it ;-)


John
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Are Steamboat L-tickets in the Gold-C?
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:49:02 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 29 Sep 92 23:28:57 GMT, thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu said:

CAT> Hello netters,

CAT> Has anyone gotten the new Gold-C coupons books yet?  I heard they 
CAT> came out on Sept. 18.  If someone has one of the new books, could
CAT> you tell me if there are any Steamboat lift ticket coupons in it 
CAT> and how many coupons are there per book.  Thanks.

I've got the book.  There are discounts on two-day tickets for Steamboat, and I
think there are four of them.  I'll type in the entire Gold-C list tomorrow.
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Where the earth rises to meet the sky...                           ISSC Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: tj@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Terry Jones)
Subject: Re: KILLINGTON OPEN?
Organization: UTCS Public Access
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:24:50 GMT

59 degrees there and they are worried about being closed Oct 3 though
open Oct 2. Phone 802-422-3261 for the 24 hour ski phone info.

tj

Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: Another juggling network....
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 12:02:38 EST

In article <9210030651.AA28763@nambe.santafe>
terry@santafe.edu (Terry Jones) writes:
 
>They are on GENIE, which I have heard of before and which, I think,
>is a public access bulletin board. Does anyone out there on the net
>know anything more about GENIE? Maybe we can set up a gateway to them
>from rec.juggling. It would be easy if we could get mail to them.
>
>Anyone know any details? e.g. a phone number to get to the BBS.
 
Genie advertises phone numbers in over five hundred cities, but
that could take awhile to track down.  I do have a customer
service number:  1-800-638-9636 (Rockville, MD).  Hope this helps.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens)
Subject: Re: Four ball Mill's Mess????
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:19:24 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

> Nope.  If you have two red balls and two white balls you will find that
> the colors do *not* switch hands.  i.e. 4 ball Mills Mess is a 4 in ss
> notation (which doesn't help much I know).  Maybe someone can figure
> out what it is in MHN and you can crank up jugglePro (any thoughts about
> converting that to UNIX?  Right now it is just MS-DOS, right?).

MHN by itself does not say anything about hand movements.  MHN indicates the  
throw-heights, throwing hand, and catching hand -- this is quite independent of  
hand movement.  To get JugglePro to do a 4-ball Mill's Mess, go to the Hands  
menu and load mills.hnd.  Then go to Edit/cOnversions and enter the async or  
siteswap pattern: 4.  Change the dwell ratios (Vary Pmtrs Menu) to 0.9.  Watch  
the pattern on the screen by executing Show/2-d Side.

It is fun to see the computer juggle siteswaps in a Mill's Mess.  Try any valid  
siteswap you want.  My favorite, which I include in the demo, is B9A, a  
ten-ball siteswap.

I wish I had the time and the know-how to convert JP to UNIX but I don't.   
Nobody has indicated any interest in making this port.  If you are interested,  
please write me and I will send you the current source code.  There would be  
some monetary ($$$) rewards to this endeavor!
  
> I usually go into it by starting with a regular fountain (alternating
> throws), tossing one ball over the top (as if I am about to go into a
> half shower), and swooping my right hand over to catch it.  I can only
> get a couple of cycles off of it before it falls apart.  I have seen
> Boppo do it with 4 clubs (makes you sick, don't it).
> 
> C Frog 

I usually go into a reverse fountain with 4 (alt. throws), bring the hands  
closer and closer to each other until the 2-in-one-hand patterns mesh.  From  
there, it is easy to go straight to a Mill's Mess.

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Subject: Re: Juggling Con. in Phila ?
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 14:13:41 GMT

In article <91055@netnews.upenn.edu>, jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> I heard there would be a Juggling show/meeting/whatever
|> in Philadelphia soon (this weekend ?). Please enlighten me !!
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> JM.

I just dug the following out of my file this morning and was either going to
re-post it or post a request for any updated information.  Original
poster was zuckerma@tiger.vill.edu on 8/17 and I apologize in advance
for any typos.

yraG Seubert

***** Attention Jugglers *****

Announcing the 1992 Philadelphia Juggling Convention!

Saturday October 3 and Sunday October 4

Workshops on many different topics in the gym on Saturday followed by a FREE
public show in the evening.  Sunday will be open juggling.

No list of performers for the show available at the time of the initial
posting.

Convention will be held at Plaisted Hall on Philly's scenic Boathouse
row.  Public show location TBA.

For further information, contact:

Al Angello	-OR-	Jackie Erickson
(215) 489-7682		(215) 222-3976
From: bobw@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Bob Waltenspiel)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:18:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Another juggling network....
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.juggling

In rec.juggling, IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil) writes:
    terry@santafe.edu (Terry Jones) writes:
 
    >They are on GENIE, which I have heard of before and which, I think,
    >is a public access bulletin board. Does anyone out there on the net
    >know anything more about GENIE? Maybe we can set up a gateway to them
    >from rec.juggling. It would be easy if we could get mail to them.
    >
    >Anyone know any details? e.g. a phone number to get to the BBS.
 
    Genie advertises phone numbers in over five hundred cities, but
    that could take awhile to track down.  I do have a customer
    service number:  1-800-638-9636 (Rockville, MD).  Hope this helps.

I'm a subscriber to GEnie.  They are a pay for use system.  It costs about
$4.95/month + $6./hour for some, but not all, the discussion groups and file
databases.

I had not ever noticed a juggling discussion group, but will look for it in
the next day or so.

I think it is unlikely they would want to share messages with rec.juggling
because of their commercial, for profit, nature.  They do allow mail to
the internet, but it is an additional fee.

-Bob

|       Bob Waltenspiel           | AT&T: (707) 794-3091 (Telnet:794-3091) |
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Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher)
Subject: Re:  Juggler #2 (GIF)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:12:03 GMT

>I believe that is the infamous Rex Boyd.  Don't ask me what he's up to in the  
>photo.  I don't have any idea.
>
>-Ed Carstens

	Thanks for the identification.  He is a contestant in the
Canadian juggling contest at Montreal (IJA).  Canadian objects were
available to do anything entertaining with.  He is shaving with hockey
skates, while wearing them.  I can vouch for the fact that he did indeed
receive a bone fide shave, though I cannot verify Gillette closeness.

	For your information, the jugglers in the other two gifs (also
as yet to be identified -- help please) are juggling Fish and Brewis, a
traditional Newfoundland dish -- before cooking of course.  The three
essential ingredients are salt cod, fat back (to become scrunchions) and
hard tack, or dried ships biscuits -- the name varies depending where
you shop.
                                                      
Duane Starcher             *             a                  a      
Memorial University        S           n                n  
St. John's, Newfoundland   T               d                 d
Canada                     E         a               a   
                           R           _  _a           _   _a
                           E           0 /             0  /  
(duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca)  O        C_/@           C_/ @ 
                           *           |               |
                                 O   _/ \_        O  _/ \_
From: dechc00@tohi.DMI.USherb.CA (CHRISTIAN DECHAMPLAIN)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Devil sticking in MTL
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:36:37 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et
	d'Informatique

In article <pwilson.717389976@charm.gandalf.ca> pwilson@gandalf.ca (Paul Wilson(Toronto-Sales)) writes:

   I'm looking for the name and number of a fellow from Montreal
   who makes and sells devil sticks.  They are apparently "light
   and leather-covered".  I met him, but didn't get his name.  I
   want to buy a set.  If anyone can help I'd appreciate it....

   --
   Paul Wilson 416 698 3649
   pwilson@gandalf.ca

You might have met Pierre, from Circ-o-globe, if you've met the fellow at the
convention this summer.  He was also selling big wodden standing balls.
His phone number is: (819) 583-4280, you can get his address from the vendors
list at moocow (ftp).
From: garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Plug for an IJA Advertiser ...
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:02:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bellcore

As my first professional (like in paid) gig was approaching on October 10,
I decided a while back it was time to spring for business cards.  A visit
to my local "Sir Speedy" ('discount' printer chain) was not encouraging in
that:
	a) They had no camera ready art for anything related to juggling
	b) They wanted about $46 for 500 cards with two-color printing,
		not counting any additional cost for artwork

Well - looking through past issues of Juggler's World, I spotted an ad for
NRS Publicity Printing in Kimberly, Wisconsin.  Let me make a long story
short:
	a) First phone call and they rushed a sample package and prices to me
	b) Talked to Scott and mentioned that I didn't see any 'ready-made'
		logos for either Magic or Juggling (my two "trades")
	c) Scott FAXed me some artwork from past catalogues that was PERFECT!
	d) I placed the order (after a few very helpful phone calls to NRS)
	e) Scott FAXed me the 'rough' layout of the cards the SAME DAY he
		received the order
	f) I got the cards 20 minutes ago and they look GREAT!

	Total cost:	$40.90 for 1,000 cards

		This includes postage, two colors (red and black) and
		two illustrations (clubs and balls on one end and a
		hat with a rabbit coming out of it on the other) and,
		since it's an out-of-state purchase, no sales tax.

Couldn't be happier!  Scott said they were anxious to get more business
from Jugglers so, if you need business cards, brochures, posters or
any P.R. material, I urge you to give them a call (no - I don't get a 
commission!).

yraG
"Jack of all trades --- Master of several"(tm)

P.S. In case you don't have a copy of JW handy, their address is:

	NRS Publicity Printing
	P.O. Box 70
	Kimberly, WI  54136

	(414) 739-2503   or   (800) 972-8108
	FAX: (414) 739-9443
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: Four ball Mill's Mess????
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:32:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.152406.13966@wuecl.wustl.edu> 
  jhk1@cec2.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky) writes:
>
>	I just read a reference by C Frog to a four-ball Mill's Mess.  Up to
>now, I've considered it a myth.  I thought I saw someone doing it at a
>convention a while a ago, but I thought I was seeing things (TOO MANY THINGS!).

It exists (we had considerable debate in this newsgroup a while back over
whether or not there was one true 3 ball mills mess, don't let's start 
it again).

>	I made some feeble attempts at this weird pattern.  I even got it going
>a few times, but I can't figure out how!  It seems to involve a double throw
>(a 5 for site-swappers) at some point to some hand at some time.  

Nope.  If you have two red balls and two white balls you will find that
the colors do *not* switch hands.  i.e. 4 ball Mills Mess is a 4 in ss
notation (which doesn't help much I know).  Maybe someone can figure
out what it is in MHN and you can crank up jugglePro (any thoughts about
converting that to UNIX?  Right now it is just MS-DOS, right?).

I usually go into it by starting with a regular fountain (alternating
throws), tossing one ball over the top (as if I am about to go into a
half shower), and swooping my right hand over to catch it.  I can only
get a couple of cycles off of it before it falls apart.  I have seen
Boppo do it with 4 clubs (makes you sick, don't it).

C Frog 
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: s_ebach@wega.rz.uni-ulm.de (Bernd Ebach)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Address of Moocow? (was: Re: ftp access)
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:11:16 GMT
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany

STU_DAKEEFE@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU (Debonovitch) writes:
> Is the FTP server at moocow working?  Every time I try to get on it, it
> times out.

BTW: What is the address and full domain-name of moocow?

I didn't see an FAQ. Is there one?

TschauTschau
		Bernd
-- 
      -----------------------------------------------
       Bernd Ebach, try s_ebach@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de
      -----------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: jerry@stat.tamu.edu (Jerry Peterson)
Subject: Re: six balls?
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:01:23 GMT

amorgan@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:

>In article <1992Sep24.173742.2137@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> 
>  fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>> Has anyone got any tips on how to get started with six balls?

>also try crossing patterns.  There are two of these.  You can try
>throwing at the same time with both hands to the same height (Dan Bennett
>juggles this way) or alternating throws to different heights (a half
>shower).

I've always found crossing patterns easier, although most people 
evidently don't. However, my six-ball pattern isn't a half-shower
(I throw the higher ball up the middle, not outside.), and it uses
neither simultaneous nor alternating throws; i.e. one hand makes a
bigger circle than the other, sucking up part of the timing and making 
the rhythm very uneven. 

I suppose there's a gray area between patterns, and sometimes I find it
easier to juggle there.

-J
From: ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re:  Juggler #2 (GIF)
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:07:30 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University


I believe that is the infamous Rex Boyd.  Don't ask me what he's up to in the  
photo.  I don't have any idea.

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: "Jody Lynn DeLong (DeLong,Jody L)" <DELONG@AC.GRIN.EDU>
Subject: Gif Posts...yuck
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 18:04:07 cdt

Is it possible to post these gifs to Moocow (Piggy) where they can be FTP'd, 
_or_ retrieved using the mail request system that Terry has set up?  This 
would alleviate a lot of extra stuff for mailers and sites.
      Jody

Grinnell Juggling Club
delong@ac.grin.edu
From: miller@quiver.enet.dec.com (Brian A. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Clubs
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:57:55 GMT
Distribution: all who care
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Sep29.180200.27756@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, amorgan@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes...
>In article <1992Sep29.030449.26448@newshost.unh.edu> 
>  efk@kepler.unh.edu (Edward F Keisling) writes:
> 
>>ok, i am looking to buy clubs and would like some advice :)
>>
>>so, IYHO, what should i get?  what is the difference between Dube europeans
>>and todd smith europeans?  what are the tood smith european satellites?
>
>  [stuff deleted]
> 
>Oh, IMHO a "one time investment" is a little unlikely.  My clubs are
>fairly beaten up after about 2-3 years.  You will likely be buying
>clubs for the rest of your life.         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>>  Edward F. Keisling 			"Time flies when you don't know what
> 
>C Frog
> 

I'm not sure I agree 100% with the above statement.  Clubs get beaten up
and abused.  It's a fact.  However, with the clubs that Dube makes, at least,
there are several parts, including a wooden dowel, plastic, end knob, screw,
one or two staples, etc.  When the decorative outside of the club begins to
wear, you can always replace the tape holding it on and/or redecorate the club
without replacing it.  If, as happened to me, a dowel breaks, it can be
(supposedly) replaced.  So far I haven't been able to remove the half of the
old dowel connected to the "top" (!=knob) end of the club, but I think it can
be done, the dowel replaced, and he club put back together to be just as good
as new.

The bottom line is, you don't always have to replace your used clubs just
because they get beaten up a bit.

--BAM, the Juggler
aka Brian A. Miller
Rochester Institute of Technology
(presently on co-op at DEC, Littleton, Massachusetts)
miller@quiver.enet.dec.com
bnm3550@cs.rit.edu
BAM3550@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
From: rick@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Fredrick Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Mississippi Juggling
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:16:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <DOUGGER.92Sep30140915@corazon.ERC.MsState.Edu> dougger@ERC.MsState.Edu (Douglas Meyer) writes:
>c.  Beanbags... I think I have a friend that will sew me (for the cost
>of the materials) about 47 ba-zillion beanbags.  I was figuring that I
>could use colorful sailcloth or heavy ripstop to make them colorful
>and have good durability.  Filling?  Do split-peas or rice sound good?
>Are there better fillings??  And how many ounces of the stuff is right
>for an "average" beanbag??
>

Ripstop sounds too slippery.  You should make a sample first, before
you commit to 47 ba-zillion.  It may look good but I bet you won't 
like the feel of it.

Unpoped pop corn kernals are another good filling alternative.

I make mine 100 grams.  That should be an approximate minimum.
Up to 200 grams wouldn't be too much for juggling 3 or 4, but if they
are going to be used for 5 or more you should stay with lower masses. 
Much lower than 100 grams wouldn't be very comfortable for 3.


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