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From: shou@quads.uchicago.edu (roger colin shouse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Inter-racial dating
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:54:11 GMT
Reply-To: shou@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Dec17.194135.25348@oakhill.sps.mot.com> rjchou@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Ri Jen Chou) writes:
>g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka) writes:
>>I must say you got guts. I myself never thought about anything other than the 
>>opposite sex when in comes to relations (sexual and/or emotional). You know that 
>>by having thoughts about homosexuality/bisexuality you could easily become one. I'm 
>>not saying it is bad nor good. I'm just saying that such a move can change your whole 
>>perspective on life (having gay friends as references). 
>
>
>Hmm, that's interesting.  Just by having thoughts about  homosexuality/bi
>you could easily become one? How does this work? How about the other way around?
>Can I become straight by having heterosexual thoughts?  I think not.  I do agree
>that once you acknowledge and accept your feelings, instead of suppressing
>them and denying them, then you will have a whole new perspective on life.
>Life suddenly becomes a lot less stressful.
>-- 
>Ri-Jen Chou   		rjchou@decimator.sps.mot.com
>Motorola Austin / Eclectic Environs

I put it to you that if a heterosexual has homoerotic thoughts and _enjoys_
them, then they could easily become a homosexual.  Similarly, a homosexual
who begins to enjoy heterosexual thoughts could also change.  
I've seen both processes occur among friends and aquaintences.

-- 
Roger Shouse
The University of Chicago 		Email: shou@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina)
Subject: Re: Political Power--Why the quotas?
Reply-To: dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:31:45 GMT


As regards the appointment of Asian-Americans to important posts in
the new administration, 'twould be wonderful, but I think Bill is
going about it the wrong way when he says he wants a cabinet that
looks like America.

That is, is not merit the criterion to use, rather than adding an
irrelevant attribute of race?  He should simply hire the most
qualified person for each position, rather than the best person out of
each race he has determined to need representation.  

If you rely on arbitrary characteristics such as race, you won't be
able to please everyone.  Some group will inevitably feel
underrepresented, so discount the issue entirely.  Hire in the most
equitable fashion--hire the person who will best perform the duties of
the office.

David
dnm9@columbia.edu
From: ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Looking for Black woman
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:15:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kf=7fBe00WBOA0qoNU
	<Bz4AM0.ACL@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> 
>In article <1992Dec11.172527.10949@almserv.uucp> g9utxu@fnma.COM writes:
>>Why are you posting this in an Asian American group ? Why not a single
group ? 
>>I might have been more understanding if you were looking for an Asian
American 
>>female, which I must say am very attracted to, then I would've applaud
your co
>urage. 
>

Why? Isn't it possible that A black woman would be on this channel??? With your
attitude I see why its highly unlikely!!! Black people are very
interested in the Asian Culture but most times Asians give them the
feeling that there not welcome. Let see how diversified this your
communication home. Oh! I see alot of the Caucasian Americans are
welcomed. Yes, even in your limited state of perception there are Black
Asians. Both inter-racial and/ or by nationality/ethnicity. 


RT wrires:

>Ya, Riya's post seems out of place here. But if you look at it this way:
>He's Asian and he's looking for an American woman who's black. Therefore
>you combine the 2 and you get Asian American! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! :)
> 
>RT
 
RT writes: 

Is this how you were conceived?  No, number one, I wouldn't use a person
in this
way and number two I would want to beccome for all the F*cking money in
the world. I like American and America but citizenship- no thanks. Give
mine to someone who really needs it. Like a European! Or Haitian! No,
thanks! But, with
Clinton and Gore and Hillary and Tipper(By the way, if Ice-T is
interested maybe
there's something to it)I might consider waving an American flag! The
African-American Flag, Though!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina)
Subject: Re: Political Power--Why the quotas?
Reply-To: dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 06:42:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.080115.15873@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.063145.2250@news.columbia.edu> dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina) writes:
>>As regards the appointment of Asian-Americans to important posts in
>>the new administration, 'twould be wonderful, but I think Bill is
>>going about it the wrong way when he says he wants a cabinet that
>>looks like America.
>>If you rely on arbitrary characteristics such as race, you won't be
>>able to please everyone.  Some group will inevitably feel
>>underrepresented, so discount the issue entirely.  Hire in the most
>>equitable fashion--hire the person who will best perform the duties of
>>the office.
>
>First task:  define qualified.
>
>Second task: define the methodology of finding these qualified individuals.
>
>Third task: think about it.


No reason to be snide, Roger, but even so, I'll entertain you.

One:
Ever hear of job descriptions?  _qualified_ --> competent to
fulfill the required duties.  That is, employer looks at list of
possible employees' resumes, scratches head, and says, "Aha!  Person
X's writings/actions on topic X have been/seem to me like they would
be successful.  Person Y just jerked off in gratuitous professorship
for years twiddling thumbs.  I think I'll hire X.  He's more qualified."

Two: 
Roger, you're in school.  How did your school decide you were
worth taking when other people weren't?  What sort of things did they
look at?  Probably your grades and standardized tests, measures of
your aptitude and your intelligence, and your extracurriculars,
measures of your interpersonal skills and interests.  Are you really
prepared to tell me that you have no concept of merit, or not one
that's applicable to presidential appointments?

Three: 
.............okay, I've thought about it.  You haven't convinced me.
In fact, you haven't said much at all.  Herein lies my problem with
your post--you simply haven't made yourself understood.  So what do I
do now?

To wit, Roger, don't flame me unless you plan to say something of
substance.  If you do, I'd love to hear it, but you do nothing to make
yourself sound interested in meaningful dialogue with such a response.

David
dnm9@columbia.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Breaking stereotypes: what's the point? (was Re: Asian males aren't...)
Organization: Meta - Software
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:23:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.060735.21387@panix.com> sieh@panix.com (Lui Sieh) writes:

> [ lots of stuff about stereotypes, introspection, and modifying one's
>   behavior deleted ]
>
>It's good to make an impression.  In fact it's very important in my book.
>However, I don't believe that being true to yourself is mutually exclusive
>from making a good impression (whatever that entails).  It is possible to
>overcome bad impressions.  I'm curious what other Asian American men think 
>when they see one of their compatriots "successful" (ie. they don't seem to be
>affected by this debilitating stereotype that so many others are)?  Do they
>feel that he's a "sellout" and disregard him as being "different"?  What
>goes through the mind?  Or maybe those examples are so far and few between
>for some men?

     Allow me to answer the last question first.  There are *plenty* of AAs who
don't fit the stereotypes.  That's my whole objection to them; such stereotypes
are false not just for a small segment of the AA community, but for large
fractions thereof.

     Getting to the "what do I think" query, I feel envy.  I see someone who's
unburdened by such nonsense, and I want to learn from him how he does it.  I
have such people as my friends.  Yes, that's something of an admission that I
do fall within the AA stereotype.  I simply contend it's a coincidence stemming
not from race but from other factors.

							George


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:47:12 GMT

In article <71735@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>As another example of how incredibly ignorant even the best experts
>in the field can be, 

As opposed to the completely brilliant like yourself?

>William Haseltine, cheif of the the division of
>human retrovirology at Harvard U's Dana-Farber Cancer Institute expects
>that HIV could infect over 1 billion people over the next century, he
>told a Senate hearing. Now wait just one minute. That's one in 5, or a
>20% rate out of a world of 5 billion people. 

Not unrealistic for a worst case scenerio. After all HIV has just
barely begun to evolve, and it has already been shown that HIV
even in its present form can infect 25% of a heterosexual communitee....

>Now you look at your SanFrancisc
>HIV seroprevalence survey, and the only groups of people with HIV rates
>that high are gays in STD clinics, IV drug users, or both. 

San Francisco isn't the world. Condoms and knowledge are available in
San Francisco, unfortunitly that isn't the state of affairs everywhere.

>Even Uganda,
>with the highest HIV rate of any nation in the world is nowhere near
>20%, and neither is San Francisco. When you factor in that well over
>half of the world lives in Asia, East Europe, or the Middle East where HIV
>is largely nonexistent outside of a few pockets, and this figure should
>obviously impossible to anyone with half an open mind.

So you have proved that there arn't 1 billion HIV+ people today. Just
because only one bedroom in an apartment building is on fire is no
reason to say the whole building will not burn down.

>He also says 85
>percent of world infections are heterosexual, a number which has absolutely
>no relavence to the epidemic as we know it in the US where non-IV het
>AIDS is almost non-existent.

Slight twist at the end, weren't we talking about world wide figures?

BTW-Why isn't it revelant to the US? Are US heterosexuals immune to AIDS?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet ("Qu'est-ce que vous a cherchez...le bien par le mal...-Enigma")
Subject: Re: Asian-male, nerd, geek, etc.
Reply-To: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 00:47:26 GMT

In article <1gb7g0INNl3d@agate.berkeley.edu>, mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto) writes:
>In article <1gb6rmINNku2@agate.berkeley.edu> wltsai@ocf.berkeley.edu (Wei-Lun Tsai) writes:
>>
>>(For those who took Japanese 101 in college:)
>>Watashi wa CLUE ga arimasen!
>
>Shouldn't that be CRUE?
                   ^^^^
		  (*tee hee* 8^) simple folk like me laugh at things like this)

But I was thinking more on the lines of:

Nani mo wakarimasu


-JS


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: russil@idacom.hp.com (Russil Wvong)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Reply-To: russil@idacom.hp.com (Russil Wvong)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 00:05:08 GMT

>>In article <1gl8udINNos6@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defensio libertatis) writes:
>>>Can anyone remember a "good guy" asian male in the movies or TV?

John Carpenter's "Prince of Darkness" has Dennis Dun as a rather obnoxious
Asian-American grad student.  ("If I don't come back, you can have my
Porsche.")  I thought it was a nice change from the usual noble assistant/
yellow menace dichotomy.  (Spoiler below.)

There was also Dustin Nguyen as an undercover cop on the series "21 Jump
Street".  Saw him again recently in a guest role on "Highlander -- The
Series", playing the usual Asian bad guy.

A couple other cops:  Russell Wong in "New Jack City"; an Asian guy with
a minor role in "Kuffs".

Actually, if you want to see "heroic" Asian males, check out Hong Kong
action movies.  "The Killer", "Bullet in the Head", "A Better Tomorrow",
and "Casino Raiders" are some that come to mind.  Vancouver's got five
theaters that show HK movies (Cantonese, with English subtitles);
I'd imagine that most cities with a substantial Chinese population would
have one.

HK action movies are quite violent, and if they were in English, they'd
probably attract quite a following in North America.  There's been some
discussion of them in rec.arts.movies.  (John Woo's movies -- "The Killer",
"Bullet in the Head", "Hardboiled" -- are often discussed under the topic of
"Most violent movie I've ever seen!")  Supposedly there's a Hollywood studio
doing an American remake of "The Killer", starring Richard Gere.  They're
also sometimes discussed in soc.culture.hongkong.

One other movie I've seen recently is "Masala" (not the same as "Mississippi
Masala").  It's a satire, set in the Indian community in Toronto.  Almost
all the characters are Indo-Canadian.  The main character (played by
the director) is a switchblade-carrying young hooligan who gets out of jail
and promptly finds himself in the middle of an extremely tangled plot,
involving Sikh terrorists, the world's most valuable stamp, an arranged
marriage, and the god Krishna.  Not a very reverent movie, but extremely
funny.

By the way:  who's Maggie Han?

-- Russil

Spoiler for "Prince of Darkness":
^L
Surprisingly, Dennis Dun's character doesn't get killed off halfway through.
He makes it all the way to the end of the movie, unlike most of the cast.
(It's a horror movie.  A pretty good one, too, although the second half is
a little weak.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive?  (was Re: OFWM....)
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:13:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.232417.16380@Princeton.EDU>, khershey@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Kendra Lynne Hershey) writes:

|> notion of good looks (which also makes 80% of women think they are too fat)
|> and please stop blaming females for all your problems. The claim that, "Some

I'm not blaming females for the "good looking / not good looking" classification
on AMs. This is obviously based on how things are preceived on media such as TV.
My views also are influenced by the same media.
I thing AF's are better looking than AMs.
-- 
Richard Park	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: qliu@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu (quan liu)
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:19:54 GMT

To: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.india,soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Cc: 
Bcc: 
>In  Article 17987 (28 more) in soc.culture.asian.american:
Dwight Joe (underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe))
says that
> For this very reason, it is vital that Japan maintain a vigilant and
>militarily strong jietai.  Further, Japan needs a directly elected
>prime minister like the President of the USA; that prime minister can
>serve as the commander-in-chief of Japanese self-defense forces.
>Only a strong Japan with a commander-in-chief whose role is well-defined
>in an amended Japanese Kempoo can protect Asia from Chinese hegemony.

>In the very likely event that China terrorizes another nation (like possibly
>the Republic of Taiwan in the future), that Japanese prime minister
>can, with the cooperation of the USA, successfully direct its military forces
>to send the Chinese armies to Almighty God.

>Of course, Japan can do certain things to postpone the day when Chinese armies
>are sent back to their Creator.  For example, weakening China politically would
>be one route; this can be accomplished by using Japanese (and American)
>financial and political leverage to force the secession of Manchuria as
>an independent nation whose official language would be Japanese or English.
>Manchuria could then be renamed to somethng like "Shinkoku", and the people
>would be called "Shinkoku-jin".

       I just wonder the man like Dwight Joe knows how much about the modern history. Don't forget that it is Janpan who invaded the China and south Asia. Dont't forget the Pacific War and Pearl Harbor. I don't oppose any nation, but history may repeat itself someday. Be
vigilant. Do you want an independent Hawaii with Japanese as official language, as Dwright
Joe suggest Manchuria as an independent nation whose official language would be Japanese or
English. I just want ask one question to Dwight, Could  America and Asia countries depend
on Japan for help? 
       May God bless the United States of America and all nations!

      Quan


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: One AM who loves Caucasian Fs	 
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:47:18 GMT

I just had to!!! The title of the "One WM who loves Asian Fs" was too
inviting!!!

-- 
Richard Park
From: ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (Carole E Mah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Against generalization about Chinese-cu parents
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:37:22 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

Well, that worked! Thanks to Tim, Wataru, Jim, and George, and
anyone else I forgot to thank, for their input on how to post.
I discovered a way to post from my very own site. Thanks!
 Here's the other post that bounced when I tried to post via
ucbvax as you had suggested: hence the extraneous header stuff
(but I hope I managed to edit most of it out).
**************** original message **********************
This is a test posting; i hope it works.
Thanks to everyone who gave me suggestions on how to post!
I've been lurking and decided it was time to speak.

Eva Chan's posting about her family's attitudes was very interesting.

>  I have an aunt who married someone of
>Irish-Ukrainian descent.  My grandmother (may she rest in peace)
>welcomed him into the family.  Although I will say that one of
>my uncle's reception of him was rather candy-coated to say the
>least (IOW, he's an outsider and since he doesn't understand
>our language I can put him down all I want) which I found quite
>impolite.
   Our family had a similar mixed reaction to my father and mother
getting married. My mother is Caucasian and my father is Chinese-cu,
-ge, and -ci.  Anyway, his family sort of disowned him after he
married my mother.  But some of his siblings didn't disown him,
and in fact I have one loyal Aunt who still sends me christmas
money in those nice little red envelopes, despite the fact
that the rest of the family thinks we (me and my sister) are worthless
halfbreeds or something.  I don't understand the mixed
reaction.
  I can't generalize about it, because his whole family is very
chinese-cu.  I suspect the difference is very INDIVIDUAL
and not reducible to stereotypes.  Yes, grandma is very racist
as many chinese-cu can be.  But uncle Bob, who is also very chinese-cu,
does not happen to be racist in the way grandma is. So who knows?
  Eva also says:
>As for my parents, they don't mind us girls dating Caucasian
>men as long as we don't date African-American men
   Again, it is IMPOSSIBLE TO GENERALIZE about people's attitudes.
I have one friend who is dating an African-Am. man, and her
parents really find this intolerable.  However, I have another
friend with very similar parents who are extremely glad their
daughter is dating an Af-Am man.
  I personally have never dated an Af-Am man, but if I did I am
sure my parents would approve.
  Carole
---------------------------------
Carole E Mah
st701852@brownvm.bitnet
st701852@brownvm.brown.edu
Carole_Mah@brown.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:32:05 GMT

In article 2560@usna.NAVY.MIL, wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>) writes:
>|In article <1992Dec15.180526.8118@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>|>2.  For those of us out of school, the chance of meeting AA is kinda
>|>slim (I am in the windy city not bay area).  So when I see other AA's
>|>around we feel kinda close.
>|
>|This reminds me of a Japanese couple I met once.  They were living in Denver.
>|When I asked them how they had met, they told me they were the only two
>|Japanese people in Denver.
>|
>|-- 
>|Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil
>|          phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
>|When orbiting particle-beam weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have
>|orbiting particle-beam weapons.


Hmmm, kind of interesting, Denver actually has one of the larger concentration 
of Japanese people in the US.  I remember going to Japanese grocery
stores and nurseries as a kid because there were no chinese groceries
and the Japanese nursery was the only place where we can get the material for 
making tofu.  This was before tofu became a health food.  8^)

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