HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yatrou@INRS-Telecom.Uquebec.CA (Paul Yatrou)
Subject: Summary of good newsreaders for the Mac
Keywords: news reader,Mac
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Montreal, Canada.
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:08:52 GMT


About a week ago I asked if there's a good newsreader for the Mac.
Me:
>
>A friend is intersted in acquiring a "good" newsreader for his
>Mac. By good he means it should at least construct its own headers
>database, much like nn, and update them in the background so that
>when it's started up it won't take forever to read in the newsgroups.
>He's currently (not)using "NetNewsReader" and "TheNews", both of
>which appear to be major turtles.
>

I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to reply. This is a summary.

There were two popular shareware programs recommended:

NewsWatcher (ftp.acns.nwu.edu)
Nuntius  (sumex.stanford.edu)

There was some agreement that "NetNewsReader" and "TheNews" are sluggish.
My friend just installed Nuntius today, and is very happy with it so far.
One of its advantages is that it picks up more articles as compared to
"NetNewsReader" for some reason and it does it faster. He hasn't had time
to try NewsWatcher.

There was one commercial software recommended:

>Try TCP/Connect II from InterCon. It has Telnet capability, mail, FTP, and
>news as well (using NNTP). If your friend isn't on a direct network, the
>program can also do SLIP (Serial Line IP) access (i.e., remote). The list
>price is like $395, however, and I don't know a street price offhand.
>
>You can reach Intercon at comment@intercon.com if you have questions.

Happy news readin'
Paul Yatrou
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Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: dwolfe@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Dave Wolfe)
Subject: Re: why can't you use your own $PAGER in nn???
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:47:22 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin, Texas

In <fish.716499414@news2.gsfc.nasa.gov> fish@daacdev1.stx.com writes:

>why can't you use your own $PAGER (more or less or whatever)
>in nn? the builtin just doesn't cut it (is it supposed to repeat 
>the first two lines when it scrolls and you have to hit three
>keys to go to the top {G1<ret>} )

Sounds to me like you have a mismatch between your terminal/window
behavior and the declared TERM setting such that when nn tries to
highlight/underline the last line from the previous screen it repeats
them on separate lines instead.  Or perhaps a broken terminal
emulator.  Not normal behavior in any case.

As for having to enter 3 keystrokes to go to the top, I define this key
mapping (among others) in my ~/.nn/init file:

    map show g page=1

I wouldn't mind being able to use less to read news, but then we'd buy
into all the problems elm has using a separate viewer, such as having
to exit the viewer to enter commands (BIG problem w/ nn, since exiting
the viewer normally means "view the next article or menu"), uncontrolled
shell escapes (a real problem for some installations), etc.  Maybe
someone will come up w/ a general viewer protocol that would enable
cooperating viewers and parent processes to communicate such things in
a non-application-specific way.  I gave up on it when I decided that
less was probably the only viewer that would implement such a feature
and it was easier to just embed less in elm and nn.

-- 
 Dave Wolfe   | 6501 William Cannon Dr. W. | (512) 891-3246
 Motorola SPS | Austin, TX  78735-8598     | dwolfe@pets.sps.mot.com
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: chaw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (S. S. Chawathe)
Subject: Ordering by '>'s (follow-up level) within subject?
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: news
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:26:48 GMT

I often find articles listed with the follow-ups ahead of the original article.
i.e. something like:

>>>
>
>>>
>>
-

Is it possible to sort by number of '>'s within subject, so that one gets the articles listed in the proper follow-up order:

-
>
>>
>>>
>>>

Thanks,

-Chaw

_________________________________________________________________
Chaw@cs.Stanford.edu                                 tat tvam asi
From: gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: article sort by time within subject? [REPOST]
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:28:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep9.072826.17000
Reply-To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting

I posted an article (<1992Aug24.162142.26688@spdcc.com>) over a
couple of weeks ago asking about the presentation order of articles,
and have seen no responses, either in this newsgroup or by email,
so I'm asking again.  Surely someone knows something about this
subject:

Hello all.  I'm probably doing something wrong, but I can't get nn
to present articles in their arrival order but still keep them
together by subject.  If I say ":sort arrival," I get articles
ordered correctly by arrival.  Using ":sort subject" gets the
proper subject ordering.  But I really want to see articles in
the order in which they arrived (makes it easier to make sense of
conversation thread, dontcha know :-) but still keep them together
by subject.  Could someone clue me in to what I need to set?

[ You can replace "arrival" by "date" here if you like.  The one
  comment I got asked why I want to sort by arrival.  It doesn't
  really matter to me; I just want to be able to read articles in
  roughly the order in which they were written. ]

Thanks in advance.  (BTW, I'm using a fairly old version of nn:
6.4.12 - I've been too lazy to upgrade, but will do so if need
be.)

Gary
-- 
    Gary S. Trujillo                             gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts               {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Xref: sparky news.software.nn:1150 comp.sources.bugs:230
From: peter@zeus.DIALix.oz.au (Peter Wemm)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn,comp.sourc
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: peter@zeus.dialix.oz.au (Peter Wemm)
Subject: The future of NN - good news (send me patches)
Organization: Karam Pty. Ltd. Perth, Australia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:29:22 GMT

After talking with Kim on a few occasions about maintenance and future
development of NN, this was the result..

-----------BEGIN
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 08:39:21 GMT
From: storm@olicom.dk (Kim F. Storm)
Message-Id: <9209040839.AA05197@olicom.olicom.dk>
To: Peter_Wemm@zeus.dialix.oz.au

Peter,

I would appreciate if you took over the maintenance of nn 6.4.
I have something for the group menu "almost ready" - but it has
been in that state for the last year, and I have to dig into some
old archive tapes to dig out the sources.  Let me see what I can do
about it.

In the meantime, I would really appreciate if you would take
on the task of collecting whatever unofficial fixes etc. there have
been for nn 6.4.16 since its release, and put together a set of
OFFICIAL patches ( I hereby grant you the right to stamp patches as
official patches, provided you follow the current style ).

++Kim
-------------END

This is what I'm prepared to do:

Last year,  Larry Bouzane <larry@garfield.cs.mun.ca> posted an unofficial
patch 17 and patch 18.  They solve many of the more serious problems that
were left in patch level 16.  As a lot of sites (That I know, at least)
are using these, I am a little uncertain about what to do with them.
I am tempted to repost them as "official".  I am also tempted to merge them
into a more complete, unified, "fixit" patch - this would require removal
back to pl16 source. I feel this might an un-necessary complication, and am
leaning towards just making them official.  How do people feel about this?

I would like people who have made patches, workarounds, improvements, features,
etc to mail me a copy if they would like them incorporated into an official
release.

I would also like to try and organize a "development group" in the style
of the elm development group.  If you would be interested in contributing
to such an effort, please send me mail.

I think a priority will be to get the falbled "groups menu" code working.
A lot of people were excited about this back in May'91.

One other humble request:  My machine is fed via a commercial UUCP link
which is charged for.  Please don't send excessive amounts of mail.
If you have a general question/suggestion please consider the newsgroup
news.software.nn.  That way, there is feedback from other users and I won't
get 400,000 bug reports for the same bug.. (hopefully..)
I constantly read the group...

One of the most well known bugs is the one that causes the core-dump
when you press one letter after the displayed sequence.  For example, if the
listed articles list A-G, the pressing H would kill NN.  This was fixed in
the unoffical patch 17.

Remember, for now, I'm after patches and volenteers... If possible, use the
group for discussions..

Thanks..  -Peter
-- 
Peter Wemm : peter@zeus.dialix.oz.au   If it's broke, fix it (The MS-DOS way)
Work phone: +61-9-479-1855    If it aint broke, don't touch it (The Unix way)
Fax: +61-9-479-1134   If we can't fix it, it ain't broke (Maintainer's Motto)
From: peter@zeus.DIALix.oz.au (Peter Wemm)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Posting problems?
Date: 14 Sep 1992 09:49:02 +0800
Organization: Karam Pty. Ltd., Perth, Western Australia.
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.dialix.oz.au

I have recieved mail to the effect that some of the articles that I have
posted were not transmitted correctly in some parts of the world..

Has anybody seen or heard about this?

-Peter

-- 
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Work phone: +61-9-479-1855    If it aint broke, don't touch it (The Unix way)
Fax: +61-9-479-1134   If we can't fix it, it ain't broke (Maintainer's Motto)
From: jos@bull.nl (Jos Vos)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Looking for a simple user's guide for (occasional) NN users
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:17:47 GMT
Organization: Bull, P.O. Box 22859, NL-1100 DJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands

I am looking for a (short) paper describing the basic features of NN,
which can be given to people having some basic knowledge of UNIX.
Is there anybody having written such a document?

When you want News to be use as a communication channel for different
groups of people, most of them only want to know the basic features.
The NN manual page almost certainly will not be read by the majority
of them (or otherwise probably not understood...).

Please MAIL responses to me. Thanks.

-- 
--    Jos Vos <jos@bull.nl>   (UUCP: ...!{uunet,mcsun,sun4nl}!nlbull!jos)
--    Bull Nederland NV, Product Support Unix, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: aslakson@nano.cs.umn.edu (Brian Excarnate)
Subject: Re: Selecting by name without affecting the kill file
Organization: :noitazinagrO
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:34:13 GMT

romain@salt.eng.pyramid.com (Romain Kang) writes:
>In <29N6MM@math.fu-berlin.de> guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) writes:
>| How do I select articles by name _without_ creating an entry
>| for the kill file ?

I remember the post, and someone followed it up adding message after the unset
(which makes it a little nicer).  Here is the version by someone who's name
is also long gone from my init file:

# _ does search on sender (as = does a search on subject)
map menu _ (
	:set select-on-sender
	find input
	:unset select-on-sender
	message
)


Brian
--
        THE MOST IMPORTANT line you can have in your .nn/init is:
set include-art-id false
From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: kill file question
Summary: How to kill sender or subject
Keywords: sender
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:16:24 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

I have:
group:!s:someword
group:+s:otherword

in my kill file. This works fine to select or kill items by subject.

How do I also include any item by a particular sender?

And what does this do for me? (it came in someone's sample kill file)
group:!s/:word


fred
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26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
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609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr
From: jacobsd@prism.cs.orst.edu (Dana Jacobsen)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: The future of NN - good news (send me patches)
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:38:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: CS.1992Sep12.223845.27426
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept

In <1992Sep12.001102.20830@nas.nasa.gov> dwallach@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Dan Wallach) writes:
>Why not just start over with a new version number, i.e.: 6.5.1 or something,
>and this would be 6.4.16 + the two unofficial patches + whatever else you
>want to roll in at the beginning.

  I agree with this idea.  It sounds like it would be the easiest for many
people.

>This eliminates any ambiguity, and provides a newer base from which to
>make patches.  It's not like there's anybody out there who still runs
>pre 6.4.16 nn, right?  (Well, I hope not.)

  I'm running 6.4.13 here, because at the time I installed nn, patch 14-16
had just come out, and I read all about various problems with them (core
dumps, etc.), and they only offered group menus.  By the time fixes came
out I no longer had the inclination or the time (nor the support of the 
administrators, who all use rn or xrn and find nn to be confusing (!!!))
to deal with upgrading it.  With our people "upgrading" C-news every now
and then, I didn't want to mess with a system that already worked.  I haven't
had to touch nn in 2 years now -- it runs very smoothly.

>--
>Dan Wallach              "One of the most attractive features of a Connection
>dwallach@nas.nasa.gov    Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces
>                         of its cabinet." -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48.
--
Dana Jacobsen                       I that wes in heill and gledness
jacobsd@cs.orst.edu                   am trublit now with gret sikness
jacobsd@solar.cor2.epa.gov              and feblit with infirmetie
Computer Sciences Corporation             Timor mortis conturbat me.
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: mr@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Michael Regoli)
Subject: 6.4.16 Core Dumps with large folders?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:04:14 GMT

][

I've been able to consistently crash 'nn' (6.4.16) running on our Sun
4/330 (running SunOS 4.1.1):  Whenever I open a large folder (say, my
"mbox" file that is about 380Kb in size ("nn -f mbox")), do a "G"oto,
then point to "mbox", select "n"ame (below, the string "regoli"
appears under the "group_menu" function), and enter a string (a sender's
message I want to find), nn will, after a short while, dump core.

Examining the core file with dbx reports:

[1] [ogre:/u/mr] dbx /usr/local/bin/nn core
Reading symbolic information...
Read 21106 symbols
program terminated by signal SEGV (no mapping at the fault address)
(dbx) where
w4str() at 0xf76e30e4
init_group(gh = 0xb4790), line 60 in "/usr/share/src/local/nn/db.c"
group_menu(gh = 0xb4790, first_art = 0, access_mode = 18465, mask = 0x60374 "regoli", menu = &menu() at 0x24770), line 206 in "/usr/share/src/local/nn/group.c"
goto_group(command = 31, ah = (nil), access_mode = 18465), line 869 in "/usr/share/src/local/nn/group.c"
menu(print_header = &folder_header() at 0x35c1c), line 1563 in "/usr/share/src/local/nn/menu.c"
folder_menu(path = 0xf7ffef00 "mbox", mode = 0), line 441 in "/usr/share/src/local/nn/folder.c"
read_news(access_mode = 0, mask = (nil)), line 290 in "/usr/share/src/local/nn/nn.c"
main(argc = 3, argv = 0xf7fffbf4), line 1005 in "/usr/share/src/local/nn/nn.c"
(dbx) quit
[2] [ogre:/u/mr] exit

Has anyone else been able to get this very consistent crashing??


--
michael regoli
mr@cica.indiana.edu
regoli@iubacs.BITNET
..{ames, rutgers}!iuvax!cica!mr
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: affouj@jec309.its.rpi.edu (Jason Patrick Affourtit)
Subject: PLEASE HELP - HOW DO I CHANGE MY DEFAULT NAME ????
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:32:15 GMT

Hi.  I was wondering - how do you change your name that appears
with your subject header on the nn menu ????

i.e.


Joe Schmo	12	Do Submarines Fly ???

How do you change the "Joe Schmo" field ???

Is it in your $HOME/.nn/init file ???

Please help, and thanks in advance... PLEASE E-MAIL ME!

-jason
(affouj@rpi.edu)

Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: dwallach@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Dan Wallach)
Subject: Re: The future of NN - good news (send me patches)
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 00:11:02 GMT

Why not just start over with a new version number, i.e.: 6.5.1 or something,
and this would be 6.4.16 + the two unofficial patches + whatever else you
want to roll in at the beginning.

This eliminates any ambiguity, and provides a newer base from which to
make patches.  It's not like there's anybody out there who still runs
pre 6.4.16 nn, right?  (Well, I hope not.)

--
Dan Wallach              "One of the most attractive features of a Connection
dwallach@nas.nasa.gov    Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces
                         of its cabinet." -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48.
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: walker@uunet!fdls!agdept (Walker)
Subject: Re: The future of NN - good news (send me patches)
A-Internet: dougw@agdept.odag.or.gov
C-Phone: (503) 378-5869
Organization: Oregon Department of Agriculture
B-Uucp: uunet!agdept!dougw
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 19:35:54 GMT

In <BuB3sy.BE1@zeus.dialix.oz.au> peter@zeus.dialix.oz.au (Peter Wemm) writes:

>This is what I'm prepared to do:

>Last year,  Larry Bouzane <larry@garfield.cs.mun.ca> posted an unofficial
>patch 17 and patch 18.  They solve many of the more serious problems that
>were left in patch level 16.  As a lot of sites (That I know, at least)
>are using these, I am a little uncertain about what to do with them.
>I am tempted to repost them as "official".  I am also tempted to merge them
>into a more complete, unified, "fixit" patch - this would require removal
>back to pl16 source. I feel this might an un-necessary complication, and am
>leaning towards just making them official.  How do people feel about this?

We chose to only install the OFFICIAL PATCHES through patch 16.  My guess is
that many other sites have also done the same thing.  So, it is suggested
that the next OFFICIAL PATCH be 17, and it assume that the user has OFFICIAL
PATCHES 1 thru 16 installed.  This approach should work for 
everyone.  Those who have installed UNOFFICIAL PATCHES can go back to 16
and move forward from there.

It's great to see that nn will once again be officially supported!

	. . .  Doug Walker

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Doug Walker       uunet!agdept!walker  -or-  walker@agdept.odag.or.gov
Oregon Department of Agriculture, Salem, Oregon           (503) 378-5869
From: wohler@sapwdf.UUCP (Bill Wohler)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: Reselecting last used folder name
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:25:25 GMT
Reply-To: Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de>
Organization: SAP AG, Walldorf, Germany

guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) writes:
>nn: 6.4.13 #13

sven,

  first off, get the latest version of nn (6.4.16)--it's more healthy
  and has many cool features.

>How do I tell nn to prompt me with the last folder name that I have used
>last for saving ?

  twice asked in one week, a faq?  i don't think such a feature
  exists.  as you discovered, C-u is the way to get it after the
  default folder is presented.  is that so annoying?

  anyway, those of you who think that this feature should be added to
  nn should send a note to nn-bugs@dkuug.dk.  that's the only way that
  it stands a chance of getting into future versions.

  note that we're still looking for someone to take on the maintenance
  of nn (and read these bug and suggestion reports to nn-bugs ;-).
  this doesn't mean that you have to do the repair work yourself, just
  coordinate the patches from others and distribute releases.


Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> <sapwdf!wohler>
Heidelberg Red Barons Ultimate Frisbee Team
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com
Subject: why can't you use your own $PAGER in nn???
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:36:54 GMT

why can't you use your own $PAGER (more or less or whatever)
in nn? the builtin just doesn't cut it (is it supposed to repeat 
the first two lines when it scrolls and you have to hit three
keys to go to the top {G1<ret>} )

	thanx,
		fish
--
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NASA/GSFC                         VOX: 301-513-1683                
Hughes/STX Corporation            FAX: 301-513-1608
"fools in love, they're less than zeros, I should know..." -jjjj
From: nrp@csug3.cs.reading.ac.uk ("Eminent glove lips" Neilski)
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
Subject: Re: The future of NN - good news (send me patches)
Date: 11 Sep 92 10:42:00 GMT
Reply-To: nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk
Organization: University of Reading

peter@zeus.dialix.oz.au (Peter Wemm) writes:

>Last year,  Larry Bouzane <larry@garfield.cs.mun.ca> posted an unofficial
>patch 17 and patch 18.  They solve many of the more serious problems that
>were left in patch level 16.  As a lot of sites (That I know, at least)
>are using these, I am a little uncertain about what to do with them.
>I am tempted to repost them as "official".  I am also tempted to merge them
>into a more complete, unified, "fixit" patch - this would require removal
>back to pl16 source. I feel this might an un-necessary complication, and am
>leaning towards just making them official.  How do people feel about this?

I would suggest making the unofficial patches official, to bring nn up to
6.4.18, and work from there.

-- neilski

-- 
nrp@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk  \--------------------------------------------------
----------------------------\ "A fine body of men." "Oook." "Anthropoids."
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: dba3k@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Daniel Burton Avery)
Subject: nnmaster and active file
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:06:39 GMT

I have just finished installing the entire nn system, and with
out any apparent problems.  However, when I typeed "nn"
I I got was a once-only screen and then nothing.  I assume this
is normal.  However, nnmaster , when involked, complains that
it cannot access the active file.  Just what IS the "active"
file?  It's been driving me insane.

Thanks in advance!
Newsgroups: news.software.nn
From: naren@cs.UAlberta.CA (Narendra Ravi)
Subject: Forwarding a range of news articles
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:31:56 GMT


Hi,

Is there a way of forwarding a whole range of news articles from within nn
to a different person. Now the M key forwards only a single article at a
time.

Please post. Thank you.

-- 

 -- Naren
    Narendra Ra[a]vi     Email : naren@cs.ualberta.ca
--

 -- Naren
    Narendra Ra[a]vi     Email : naren@cs.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: news.misc
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: USENET Readership report monthly postings
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:24:29 GMT

>This is the full set of data from the USENET readership report for Jul 92.
>Explanations of the figures are in a companion posting.

Some groups I have an interest in seem to be missing:

- alt.consciousness
- alt.uu.future (created in start of June 1992)
- alt.uu.* (created in July)
- alt.society.revolution
- alt.society.civil-disob
- alt.culture.usenet

I'd be curious to know if this is because the groups do not exist at
decwrl or is there some other reason.  I didn't find a mention on the
criteria for groups included in the document posting
<1992Aug2.003136.20398@PA.dec.com> - perhaps it'd be a good idea to
mention it.

Anyone in the know?

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: news.misc