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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: Re: Names
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:07:23 GMT

In article <STEVES.92Sep10095156@kuwait.gdfwc3> steves@gdfwc3 (Steve Strauss) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.230251.14756@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>
>>  My wife and I are expecting our first child in February.  If it's a girl,
>>  we've decided to name her Devra Marie.  We haven't had many problems with
>>  that one aside from the occasional "What an unusual name," or "But she won't
>>  be able to get license plates off the rack in the store like other kids," or
>>  "She'll spend her whole life correcting people when they call her
>>  'Debbie'."  None of these bother me, since my sister's name is Jael, and
>>  she's dealt with having to correct people for the past 34 years just fine.
>
>>  The name we've been considering is Geordie LeVar.
>
>This is kind of off the main subject, but do kids no longer make fun
>of other kids with unusual names?  When I was growing up, kids
>regularly teased those with unusual names.  For this reason, I would
>never give a child an usual name.  You mentioned that your sister has
>had "to correct people for the past 34 years".  Do you really want
>your child to have to do this?  Maybe I'm way off here, but I wouldn't
>put anyone through the possible teasing and confusion that an unusual
>name would cause.

Allright, I was going to stay out of this altogether, but feel at this
juncture that I *must* contribute my $.02 worth!  :-)

Kids being the lovely little darlings that they are, they dont' need an
unusual name in order to tease another child.  I grew up with the name
Deborah.  How "normal" can you get?  There were three other Deborah's in
my classes almost all the time.  This didn't stop the kids from teasing
me unmercifully about anything and everything that they could find to
comment on.

Not only that, but I grew to hate my name.  The very commonness of it
made it impossible for me to stand out in a crowd.  I always wanted a
much more unusual name (nothing *too* far out).

As for constantly correcting people, I have been correcting people and
spelling out my name for 31 years!  You see, the problem is that I do
not go by "Debbie" (yech!), and I do *not* spell my name D-E-B-R-A
(double yech!).

A "normal" name is no guarantee of either freedome from teasing or from
the burden of correcting people all your life.  The main thing is to be
happy with the name which you are correcting or defending.

Name the kid whatever you like.  I see no problem with either Debra or
Geordia LaVar!

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From: day_kevran@tandem.tandem.com (Kevran Day )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:25:50 GMT
Followup-To: misc.kids,rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

In article <HXqZqB5w164w@glnserv.UUCP>, kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
wrote:
> 

> > I've always tried to have fun iwth the fact that my name is different
> > from everyone else's.
> >
> > Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
> 
> I agree about enjoying the uniqueness of an unusual name. As for those
> who've said they can't find any monogramed items with their name on it, go
> to a craft store and make whatever you want. You can buy paints, iron-on
> letters, and many other items to monogram everything you own, and have fun
> doing it.
> 
> * * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *

When I was in high school a good friend's father made a beautiful desk
plaque
(I'm not sure what you'd call it) using a scrolling saw on a chunk of oak
with my 
very unusual name.  It is quite a piece of work and has gotten so many
comments like
"where did you get that?" to which I'm tempted to reply "oh, it was on the
rack at
Stuckey's on the interstate!" DUH!  It was a very special gift indeed!!!!!

I personally thought all those *cute* little personalized license plates
were
guaranteed entry into the Stepford club.  ***No offense to anyone who has
them!!!***
;-P

Kevran (mom to Jason - 2YO and ??? due in Oct.)
From: ltaylor@eec.East.Sun.COM (Laura Taylor - Network Operations East)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fuck You
Date: 15 Sep 1992 16:57:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Obviously this person has quite a problem. To anyone whom
this idiot might have offended, I would vouch to guess that
no one else on this list feels the way that weirdo does.

/laura
From: leynette@systech.com (Leynette Wissinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Booster seats in aircraft
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:56:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Systech Corporation, San Diego

In article <18r9rgINN5s0@hp-sdd.sdd.hp.com> milt@sdd.hp.com (Milt Fisher) writes:
>We recently flew United from San Diego to Portland, Oregon with our 1 y.o.
>We didn't purchase him a seat, but we did reserve two bulkhead seats
>(right behind first class :-) ) and we did bring our car seat on board.
>The middle seat was vacant, so we installed the car seat and our son had
>his own seat for the flight.  There were no complaints from the flight
>attendants, but they also didn't seem to be terribly accomodating.  I had
>heard how nice flight attendants treat children (maybe a thing of the past),
>but it seemed that we were just tolerated.  
My experiences on United aircraft have been just the opposite.  My son, Kai,
has flown twice (round-trips) on long flights to Hawaii.   The first when 
he was 4 months and again at 8 months and he was pampered by the flight
attendants both times.  They volunteered to hold him and walk around the
plane with him, gave him pilot's wings, etc.

>I even changed his diaper on the floor at the flight attendant station just
>behind the cockpit. (Where DO you change a baby's diaper on an air plane?)
I've changed Kai's diaper at our seats or way in the back by the restrooms.
But, there is no good place to change a diaper on a plane.  I guess the
engineers forgot to design changing table on the plane (must be a 
hardware design flaw)!


...leynette
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From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: preterm labor in second pregnancy
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:41:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.162941.20359@spatial.com> sgl@spatial.com (Steven G. Lanaghen) writes:
>
>	Sounds like my wife.  We went ahead with the "unnecessary"
>	ultrasound and lo and behold - I am now the father of TWINS!
>

	???? Ultrasound causes twins???? Uh-oh!!!

Congrats and :-)

Laura Floom


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Crib recommendation wanted
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:28:48 GMT
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Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <BuBvnG.9q1@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:
>My husband dislikes cribs, due to the kids he's know who have 
>climbed out of them, sometimes falling and getting hurt.
>
>He wants us to have a playpen instead of a crib and have the baby 
>sleep in the playpen.  He says they're safe and much harder for 
>the baby to climb out of.  This is our first, as if you couldn't 
>tell.
>
>What do the experts think of this?
>

I think your back will break with all that bending way over the sides of the
rail and bending all the way back up with a baby in your arms.  Sure, they're
only 8-10 pounds when they're born, but both of mine were well into the 20 lb.
range by the time they could climb well enough to fall out of a crib.  

I recommend a crib with the mattress on the top run when the baby is tiny.  As
the baby grows, you move the mattress down.  And when the baby is a toddler and
can climb out of the crib, put him (her) in a bed.  

Of course, you may not be middle aged and decrepit with a bad back.  Neither was
I until I had CHILDREN!!!!!


>- Peggy -


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin)
Subject: Puppy Surprise
Summary: how many puppies?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:12:54 GMT
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News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.11b by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

We recently bought my 5YO daughter the "Puppy Surprise" doll from Hasbro.  
The gimmick with this doll is that you buy a dog not knowing how many 
puppies are inside the stomach (it claims to be 3, 4 or 5).  You're supposed 
to find this out when you get home and open up the package (and the velcro 
holding the dog's belly closed).  Anyway, my daughter wanted the pink one, 
and when we got home we found that there were only 3 puppies.  She didn't 
seem all that disappointed, but I felt as though I was ripped off.  We 
figured that they put the small number of dogs in the popular colors, and 
the 5 in something that no one else would buy.  

Anyway, my wife called Hasbro today to say that my daughter was very upset 
and would they please send us the 2 other dogs.  They actually said that 
they would have to charge us $2/puppy to send them to us!  We can't believe 
it, this is something that in theory a random draw would have had us end up 
with anyway (and this is not a cheap doll, it was $27, on sale).  Needless 
to say we didn't buy any.  These folks could certainly learn something about 
customer satisfaction from Little Tykes and other toy manufacturers who will 
send you almost anything you ask for.  

Finally, from those of you who have also bought this doll, how many puppies 
did you end up with, and what color was the dog?  

Thanks...
-- Bill rubin@watson.ibm.com
From: hancock@Aero.org (Melody F. Hancock)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Giving into a fad? When do you say no!
Date: 9 Sep 1992 22:22:25 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Sep9.144402.7976@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>, sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep08.204547.2205588@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
|> >I have found a solution that works for me and Mitchell.  YMMV.  
|> >
|> [Description of "The Mommy Store" wherein chores are paid in "jewels" and
|> toys are bought with "jewels".]
|> 
|> I like this idea, but don't know when I'll get to use it.  Laura (3.6 yo)
|> doesn't really ask for toys.  Oh, sometimes she looks through catalogues
|> or responds to commercials with "I'd really like that, Mommy".  I usually
|> respond with "uh-huh.  Well, we'll see."  or "TV is always trying to
|> sell something." or whatever.  She rarely asks, doesn't expect us
|> to rush out and buy something, and never asks for the same thing twice.
|> She never asks for a new toy when there isn't external stimuli (advertisements
|> of some sort).  I'm not sure that she actually has any burning desires
|> for particular toys.  In fact, I'm already racking my brains trying to
|> think about what to get her for Christmas.  
|> 
|> I think her low-key attitude for toy-asking is because she never goes
|> toy shopping with us.  We do it without her, hide the toys in the basement,
|> and bring them out when they seem needed (one of us is away on a trip,
|> 3 weeks with no playgroup and preschool hasn't started yet, 
|> 2 rainy days in a row, etc).  Bigger purchases are saved for
|> birthdays/Christmas.  We may miss out on her excitement in the store,
|> and an opportunity to develop her sense of money, but I like the
|> absence (so far) of "I've got to have ...  I need.... I want ....".
|>  
|> -- 
|> Susan Gauch
|> sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu


Susan,

Give her about a year.  You won't know what hit you!  We
treated Josh the same way as you described above, no toy
shopping, big toys for Christmas and Birthday etc. plus
we didn't allow him to watch network TV or commercials.  I
really thought we'd bypass the whining complaining begging
for toys stage.  Boy was I wrong!  Just for the fun of it,
and to keep my sanity, I counted the number of times he
asked for a Leonardo Ninja Turtle in a single day:  132!
Out of desperation, we came up with a point system, similar
to what Judy described.  It's wonderful.  When he wants something,
we just figure the number of points needed.  He can earn a
maximum of one point a day.  He gets 1/2 point for cooperating
and going to bed at night (VERY hard for him) and helping pick
up his toys (also hard).  This has worked out just great.
I tried those other techniques to no avail.  He's too smart.
His response to the bike example would be something like
"I want to be an astronaut when I grow up and need this
faster bike to travel to mars."  :>

melody

PS - Josh is 2 months short of being 5.
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Family Bed
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:11:23 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

grace@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes`
>>        I just read Tine Thevenin's book The Family Bed which
>>        glowingly describes the practicality, healthfulness, and
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>        psychological benefits of co-family sleeping.
>>
>>        Is there any reason you'd recommend against a family bed?

Absolutely there's a reason I'd definitely recommend against it.
Jordan is, at 7 weeks old, the world's cutest, most adorable little
-wiggle-bunny you've ever seen.  He kicks and squirms all night long.
It isn't very healthy for me not to get any sleep because I'm being
kicked or hit by a very strong infant.  It's hard enough to lose sleep
because I have to get up and nurse him (on those nights he wakes up).
But to lose sleep because he's a wiggle-darling is more than I can
handle!


--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: johnnyb@flamingo.ims.com (Johnny Battle)
Subject: Re: 3YO waking up hysterical
Reply-To: johnnyb@flamingo.ims.com
Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:27:27 GMT

Cal Pomes writes:
>This is the third time in 10 days, so that makes it a series:
>my normally calm son has been waking up hysterical and unconsolable.
>Nightmares? I can't get any sense out of him, I can't even calm him
>down. As I type this, he's screaming in his room. For fifteen
>minutes I held him, walked, crooned, offered juice, and then
>I put him back in his room because I couldn't stand the screams
>six inches from my ear.

Yes, this sounds like what is called "night terrors."  My son had them
off and on (sometimes mostly on) from ages five to eleven.  It seems
to be a case of having a nightmare from which you can only half wake up.
Half the brain stays asleep while the other half takes in outside info.
From long experience, I found that if I could catch it when it first 
started (when he first starts to make restless noises in his sleep) it
was much easier to get him to wake up completely.  Once a bout of it got
going strong it was much harder to deal with.  Sometimes it helped if I 
sat down with him and watched a TV show.  Anything that will get his 
intellect going seemed to help wake him up.  Ask him to identify things
in the room or (if he is old enought) ask him what two plus two is, that
kind of thing.  I know these are scary and frustrating, but try not to get
too angry when he doesn`t respond and keeps screaming for no apparent reason.
Remember he is in the middle of a nightmare, and feels from his side like 
there are plenty of reasons to cry.  He will probably not be able to 
remember the incident the next day, and from what I have read and from my 
son's experience, there is NO lasting phsychological damage caused from
these any more than there is from ordinary nightmares. Just don't let
him hurt himself running around screaming.  They will eventually stop on
their own as his nervous system matures.  No need to get shrinks involved. 
****************************************************************************
Johnny Battle                    "We are such stuff as dreams are made on"

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Names
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:37:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters)
>
>My parents have been giving me a hard time about names too, as have my
>brother and S-I-L (they have 2 kids, #3 on the way and due right when I
>am due!).  I always wanted Evangeline if it was a girl but backed off
>when my Hubby wasn't too thrilled with it (he may still be less than
>thrilled, and if he reads this I expect a rousing discussion when I get
>home :-) ).  Alexander was one of my top choices for boys, but I would
>never consider using that for any other child, even as a middle name.
>No one but me likes Evangeline (well, maybe my hubby's brother) and
>the rest of my family just kind of looks at me and rolls their eyes when
>I suggest the boy-names I like (Zachary, Maximillian, Rhys, Ian) and
>that's that.  It must be the Italian blood -- they all want little
>Guiseppie's or Remmiggio's or Pasquale's.  It may have gone with
>Melchiori or Guglielmo, but none of them go with such a white-bread
>name as WALTERS.  <sigh>  We will probably do what we did last time --
>wait till the birth and see what the baby "looks" like then decide!
>
>
>
>--
>--Mary Anne
>"What we have once enjoyed and deeply loved we can never lose, for all
>that we love deeply becomes a part of us."  Helen Keller
>                                                 [for Alexander]
 
My beautiful cousin is Aimee' Evangeline.  I have always liked her
name.  So there!
 
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (16 mos.)
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: How Much Longer!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:23:26 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <38546@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp (Rhonda Gaines) writes:
 > I know I've still got almost 2 weeks until my due date, but I'm
 > getting sooooo tired of waiting for this baby to come.

My wife and I were the same way, and so were two very close friends
who were expecting two weeks after us.  The night before my wife went
into labor, we had dinner with these friends at a Korean restaurant
that we enjoy.  Our friend, who was perhaps less rational than usual
during that time, *insisted* that the food at that restaurant had
somehow prompted the labor.  So she dragged her husband there at least
five times during the next three weeks until she delivered.

In 95 minutes our daughter will be one year old.  All this anxious
waiting for labor seems like it happened ages ago!

Don't worry, the fun will start any day now!
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry)
Subject: Re: Warning kids about strangers?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:39:14 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <UefBrMG00UhWI48WFm@andrew.cmu.edu> Joan Ellen Stein <jc4h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>What is the appropriate age to start talking to children about
>strangers?  Is there an FAQ file on the subject?  My son is newly four
>and I haven't really talked to him about it yet beyond the "don't ever
>go anywhere with some one you do not know" line.  


Somebody on misc.kids, I wish I remembered who, had a brilliant
suggestion.    This is my memory of her posting.

The "strangers" rule doesn't work, because

  (1) Most children who are attacked are attacked by acquaintances or
      relatives.   ;-(

  (2) Children have a very unclear idea of who is a stranger.
      One misc.kidder had a great posting about her child explaining
      that "Big Bird" and "Santa Claus" weren't strangers, so it would
      be okay to go with them.
                                                
So, skip the whole thorny issue of "strangers" entirely.  Just make
a family rule that "You never go ANYWHERE without calling me first
to see if it's okay."  This rule comes in handy for non-frightening
reasons (you know when Sarah and her friend Marcie go to the mall with
Marcie's mother).  When the rule is *really* needed, it protects your
child against the friendly next-door neighbor as well as against 
the mysterious woman in a black raincoat.  And, unfortunately, the
friendly next-door neighbor is a likelier culprit. 

(The same obviously goes for the no-touching rule: it's "Don't
let anybody touch you where it makes you uncomfortable,"  not
"Don't let strangers touch you.")
-- 
Betsy Hanes Perry   (note P in userid)     betsyp@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: dan@Ingres.COM (Daniel J. Dick)
Subject: Re: Understanding men (was: differences between boys and girls)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
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Date: 10 Sep 92 00:16:36 GMT

dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions) writes:
: In <1992Sep01.023530.2219315@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)  wrote:
: # I think that there is something very special and unique in parenting an opposite
: # sexed child.  There's a romantic side (not sexual, but romantic).  And you
: # gain insights into what people of the opposite sex are like, how they feel.
: # And it IS different.  I know that I have radically changed some of my feminist
: # views having had a son.    And I seem to understand MEN better somehow.  
: 
:   Perhaps because they never really grow up?
: 
:   I know it sounds like a cheap shot, but really!  Best I can tell, mens'
:   self-images freeze somewhere around twenty.  After that, they may
:   compromise with reality and minivans but in their hearts of hearts
:   they see themselves as belonging in muscle cars, fighter planes, etc.
:   How else to explain the fanatical identification with spectator sports?

I'm not sure I agree.  I'm a man who has matured significantly.  In fact I've
grown to the point to where I actually expect my wife to say "No" when I ask
her if it`s ok to buy myself a motorcycle or airplane. :-)

Speaking of sex differences, have any of you read the Scientific American
this month?  This issue is packed full of interesting articles on the brain--
one of which addresses physiological differences between the brains of women
and men.  As a person of certain Christian beliefs, I don't necessarily hold
to some of the references to evolution and have a hard time with the idea that
emotions, beliefs, and consciousness can consist in mechanics, but I was
completely enthralled by this issue which covered neural networks briefly,
vision, learning, development, and various disorders.  One reference was made
to the effect that attention can have on a child's development of mental
connections early in life.


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