From: samir@tfs.com (Samir Elias)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: STOP IT
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:23:46 GMT
Organization: TRW Financial Systems

In article <1993Jan22.224540.29561@news.ysu.edu> ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam) writes:
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>In article <1993Jan21.015719.18268@trl.OZ.AU>faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Fari
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>>In article <1993Jan21.200433.5868@news.columbia.edu>, jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia
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>>|> Yes, I think I like your message very much.
>>|>
>>|> I did not intend to single out Mr. Hamza though I find his remarks
>>|> particularly problematic as they tend to attack entire people (religions)
>>|> rather than specific individuals with whom he disagrees.
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>>For your information, Mr. Salah knows of no individual, entire parties are
>>gulty and doomed in his mode of thought.
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>What difference does it make if you promise to give it up
>with him and you still say about him some statement?
>Enough is Enough, as somebody put it.
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>>|>
>>|> Though Mr. Oueichek is a good friend of mine, I must say in all honesty
>>|> that I emphatically disapprove of the style he and Mr. Faris use as well.
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>>May I ask what style is that. I admit I have been very harsh on him at times,
>>however, that was only in response to his approach.
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>Nobody wants to admit it.  If they admit, they would admit they
>did not admit.
>
>>|>
>>|> In other words, let us *ALL* grow up and try to show some respect for
>>|> each other.
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>>This whole discussion became abusive in an attempt to make him grow up. You be
>>the judge. I have failed miserably.
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>I agree.  What you did was wrong.  Everyone should learn this.
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>>|>
>>|> Endless flames do not accomplish anything productive. They don't help
>>|> us build the bridges that we need. They only serve to turn the clock
>>|> back and force us back to square one.
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>>The clock has been turning back, those discussion were aimed to stop it and
>>make it move forward. To quote a peice of trash who wrote me personally,
>>"You dream, there will be no unity except under the rules of Islam".
>>Regrettably, he did not say which version of Islam.
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>Again keep such a trash to yourself.
>
>>|>
>>|> I hope that *ALL* parties involved will take the necessary measures
>>|> to end this infantile conduct and get on with bigger and better things.
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>>I agree, what are they though?.
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>There is no way in the world for this person to understand.
>Typical Arab mentality.  They agree to disagree.
>
>Khalas Ba'ah, Khazitonah Odam ElaGanib..  Aih Dah..

It is true that some discussions described above have gotten
out of hand and that the people involved should show some
restraint,BUT i would like to talk about the above 3 lines:

1 - You are making a judgment about "this person" that you 
have no right and should not make,since no one is claiming
the she/he/you/me/they/it are the only "smart ones" on the net,so there
should be an effort made to explain whatever that "this person"
does not understand,since this should be a discussion not a fight,
if all fails end the discussion gracefully with no insults,not even
a hint of an insult.

2 - To say that this ,(regardless what it is),is 
"Typical Arab mentality.  They agree to disagree",is an insult
directed towards all the participants in this group,including i should
say yourself,since if you forgot this is s.c.arabic,so i wish that
you be careful next time not to direct "anger" from one person towrds
the whole participants of the group.

3 - to say :
"Khalas Ba'ah, Khazitonah Odam ElaGanib..  Aih Dah"
indicates that you are ashamed to belong to non-"aGnabi" becuase
they "Khazook",which again i assume you should not be since 
if you consider the above "heated interaction" to be a shame 
you think again becuase every one,including the "beloved aGanib", 
should and must understand that in heated debates emotions may flare,
REMEMBER our most "beloved aGnabi" bush during the election debates?.

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>>A.Faris
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>Taheeti
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>- IA, not iowa.









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