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From: dgd@csd.bu.edu (David Durand)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Yerba Santa
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:14:59 GMT
Distribution: alt.drugs
Organization: Roberstool Research Labs


   I remember reading about ritual use of this herb int he context of
Santeria(?) I cannot remember references/info of any kind. Does anyone
out there have some info? I know that there are a million different
Yerba X's out there, but if anyone has some info I'd appreciate it.

    -- David Durand
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 22:48:03 -0400 
From: Alexander Samuel McDiarmid <am2o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: MDMA

find the previousnote for context.

	I understand (first hand accounts) that it is lots of fun (say more
than coke), however the side effect is altzheimers disease (sp?, i can't
remember)
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:15229 alt.politics.marrou:974
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 12:17:23 EDT
From: <REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.politics.marrou
Subject: Re: Crime and drug legalization
 <1992Sep1.135552.21879@linus.mitre.org>

   As a natural consequence of the now popular "steal a radar detector,
trade it for a quarter of meth..." mentality, the existing black market
for drugs is a cause of theft.  When drugs are legal, no self-respecting
bussiness man (or woman) is going to risk possession of stolen property
charges by bartering drugs for used stereos, TV's, etc and loose a
lucrative legitimate bussiness.  (Ok, some will - but no system is perfect.
Therefore lets have no system!)

   Before drugs were made illegal, it seems that less of a fuss was made
about them...

   OTOH - car theft and chop shops probably wont be detered one bit by
legalizing drugs, despite the close relationship they share today.

   An aside - despite the existance of drug laws, why are syringes
considered a controlled substance.  If the rapmant spread of Hepatitis
and AIDS isn't enough, some of the horror stories about diabetics being
stalked and mugged for their needles by drug addicts AT THE DOOR TO A
PHARMACY IN BROAD DAYLIGHT! seem to imply to me that prohibition is
the reason drugs and crime are linked.  This actually happened to a
coworker's wife while I was in Dallas!
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:15247 misc.legal:16826 talk.politics.drugs:6068
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,misc.legal,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Fort Wayne: Landlords Must Evict Drug-Dealing Tenants
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 00:04:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Sep1.184109.14820@Cadence.COM>

>Just another step in the removal of our civil rights.

But haven't the "progressives" been telling us for the last 90 years
that PROPERTY rights are different from, and inferior to, "civil rights"
and the "public good"?

What goes around, comes around.


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
---------------------------+----------------------------------------
  atfurman@cup.portal.sig  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:15172 talk.politics.drugs:6024 talk.politics.misc:42869
From: murray@sun13.scri.fsu.edu (John Murray)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Definition of an addict.
Date: 31 Aug 92 00:41:54 GMT
Reply-To: murray@sun13.scri.fsu.edu (John Murray)
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Aug30.040959.28053@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> al037@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dave Polewka) writes:
<
<  carnes@sparky.eecs.umich.edu (Richard Carnes) says:
<>>What is the source of the funding for these studies?
<>>What is the political agenda of the researchers?
<>
<>I don't know the sources of funding for these studies,.............
<
<It's surprising what some people will do when their
<purse strings are tied to the government.
<
<>...................................................... nor am I aware
<>of any political agendas of the researchers. 
<
<EVERYONE has a political agenda.

Come off it, Dave, why don't you respond to more than the first two lines of
his post?

Sure, everybody has a political agenda, but who cares? If a researcher's
methodology is bad, his conclusions are a crock of shit. If a researcher's
methodology looks good on paper, but the results cannot be independently
reproduced, then who cares about his conclusions, HE is a crock of shit.

-- 
Disclaimer: Acting independently of any group or organization.
John R. Murray murray@vs6.scri.fsu.edu  | Hello, I am a damaged .signature
Supercomputer Computations Research Inst| virus. Copy me into yours, and
Moderator comp.graphics.research        | join in the !rm -rf un *;A#$!&zQ *^P%o
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: heard through the grapevine
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:44:14 GMT

locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu () writes:

>you got the key phrase correct; inexperienced users. I've read of studies
>where experienced users actually drive _better_ after use than before. While
>inexperienced users fare much worse while under the influence. 
>IMHO it allows the experienced user to concentrate better on any _one_ task
>at hand, driving, mathematics, .

   Now, would you please cite these studies? That's sounds pretty heavy,
especially as my personal experience (if I count as an experienced user)
indicates exactly the opposite. If your "experienced user" means the same
as "addict", I might buy that; tolerance to cannabis includes tolerance
to the impairing effect as well as the psychological ones, which are, after
all, probably indistinguishable from each other.
-- 
Jani Heinonen
jah@mits.mdata.fi
From: pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: New designer drug
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:01:32 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1992Sep2.132849.10472@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>
> This is really strange. I have never heard of this drug. Not even it's
>(sort-of) chemical name. I must admit that it sounds bogus. Certainly the
>ingredients listed are not a complete list.

	Cathinone is a naturally found amphetamine-type stimulant. It
comes from the plant Khat, commonly used in Yemen and the middle-east. It
sounds plausible than metcathinone should also be an amphetamine-type sti-
mulant related to cathinone, the same way methamphetamine is related to am-
phetamine.

					Pierre St Hilaire
					MIT Media Laboratory
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Robitussin
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:53:03 GMT

In article <9208281610.AA01463@ccsg.tau.ac.il> liron@CCSG.TAU.AC.IL (Liron Kapara) writes:
>Hello
>I head of the acid like effect of R. and and decided to try it out
>I bought one Robitussin cough syrop.
>the syrop company is A. H. ROBINS COMPANY  RICHMOND VA 
>(Is this the Rob. that ppl talk about here ?)

In the US, Robitussin only contains the expectorant guaifenesin,
which I suppose _might_ cause nausea and a slight drowsiness if
taken to excess.

>anyway after drinking half a bottle i felt almost Nothing ..
>no visuals no nothing.

Right.

>What did I do wrong ? Is that the famous R.? Should I take more?

Dextromethorphan is only found in Robitussin DM,
not that I recommend you take it.

Actually, anyone who would swallow a 1/2 bottle of cough
syrup without at least having an idea of what s/he is swallowing
has to have a few screws loose.  Most people wouldn't even qualify
this statement to the degree I have.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi strickland)
Subject: Re: Robitussin
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 02:40:10 GMT

holland@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Rich Holland) writes:

>dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>>Dextromethorphan is only found in Robitussin DM,
>>not that I recommend you take it.

  Of the Robitussins, yes.
  There are DM-containing cough liquids that have 3 times the amount of
  DM than the Robitussin brand.
  Can't quite remember the name of that particular brand, though, becuz
  I don't drink cough syrup.  It starts with an 'E', I think.
  If using Robo, you need to drink around 6-8 ounces to really get off.
  If you are a smallish person, 4oz would probably be fine.
  
               info supplied by kids down the street who drink the shit,

                         -jimi-
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: eepee@polaris.utu.fi (Esa-Pekka P{lvim{ki)
Subject: Re: The best hash I've ever
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:22:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.133307.10758@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.120840.4104@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.or
> (Keith Lewis) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep1.173901.27361@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 901371d@dragon.aca
>iau.ca (Di Dio) writes:
>>> Maybe someone dropped some liquid acid on the hash,I'm not sure if you
>>>can inhail it,but I really suspect that you can take that wonder drug
>>>anyway you please!  

>>I don't know if you can smoke LSD.  My guess is no.
>>Back around 1984 or 1985, there was a media scare (urban legend alert) a
>>a new drug called "Love Boat" which was actually marijuana sprayed with 
>>PCP
>>From the (very few) subjective accounts of PCP use I've read, it seems t
>>resemble LSD a lot more than THC.  Perhaps there was dust in your hash. 

> My guess is that it was DMT. That has been a common thing to spray
>inferior pot with DMT. People I know had some a few times. They called it
>"trip weed". (Imagine that...)

Some years ago I came across what was called "laced pot". At the time I 
suspected it was MJ spiced with PCP, but I'm not sure. Didn't try it.

/ep

Newsgroups: alt.drugs,soc.culture.usa,talk.politics.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Satanic Crime units?? Re: WoD: Frontline Report
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:46:38 GMT

pfcouvar@amhux1.amherst.edu (Peter Couvares) writes:
: >
: >maybe people are sensing a loss of support for the WoD and
: >looking for different work. similar to how mj replaced alcohol
: >as the demon target. so the final target of demonization in amerika
: >may be The Demon Himself. that could be interesting.
: >the main political issue of 2000: "are you pro or anti Satan?"
: 
: 	I'm pro-God, and I don't think you should be allowed to discuss
: the merits or even the alternative of satan-loving on a network that is
: partially government-funded.

Why not? Supposedly, in this country, we have freedom of religion. That does
not mean freedom to practice those religions that Peter Couvares approves.
It means any religion - period.

Supposedly, the government is not supposed to get involved with religion.
I know that is often not the case, but then our government is not known
for following the Constitution very closely.

Bill

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Question about LSD (Microdot)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:50:42 GMT

dmm@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (donald) writes:
: : >>very much, and heat, light, finger oil, etc. etc.  tend to turn it into
: : >>strychnine! ;
: : >
: : >The above statement is false. LSD will NEVER turn into strychnine, the two 
: : >molecules are not related at all!
: : 
: : You dimwit, of course they're not related at all - but read what the
: : poster said.
: 
: Perhaps I can offer an illucidating note.  The original poster probably
: had hear about strychnine in relation to LSD as a contaminant and
: somewhere in the thread leading through him the origin of this
: contaminant got perverted.  Now to offer my take on this confusion:
: strychnine has been used by some labs to cut LSD since it is perceived
: by some to provide a somewhat enhancing effect.  There are, of course,
: down sides to this.  While in small quantities strychnine isn't lethal
: it can produce headaches, muscle tension and soreness (ex. jaw,
: shoulders), palid skin, cold extremities (hands, feet), general
: shakyness or jitters.

Wrong, Donal. You cannot put enough strychnine on a blotter to have
any such effects. Lsd itself can cause all the symptoms you list.

: There is a simple test for the presence of strychnine which I've
: forgotten, but I believe utilizes potassium dichromate.  If anyone
: knows the test I'm thinking of and can post the procedure please do.
: I had a friend asking me about this a while ago (the reason I checked
: here) and am hoping to help him out.

I would be careful about using potassium dichromate - it is highly toxic.
Possibly even more so than strychnine. 

I do not recall the tests - I could look them up, if necessary. However,
it would be a waste of time. Why test for something that is not there?

: take it easy,

Why? Some people get tired of the same old myths and legends being posted
as fact.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jimbo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (James Peploski)
Subject: methamphetamine synthesis
Keywords: methanphetamine speed
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: alt.drugs
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:31:06 GMT

I am interested in getting some information on the synthesis of
methamphetamine.

NO - I do not have any intention of attempting any such synthesis

NO - I do not want to discuss the subject of methamphetamine synthesis
     in this group.

I am a chemistry faculty member who was presented with an interesting
problem.  It seems that a local individual was arrested and charged
with making methamphetamine.  The person defense is going to be
that methamphetamine cannot be synthesized from the ingredients
which were siezed at the time of the arrest.  I am not going to tell
what was confiscated but the list sounded fairly well put together.
(i.e. not something that the average guy on the street might think of)
And as a matter of fact the synthesis is probably possible given the
ingredients which were found.  The origin of the synthesis procedure
is what we are trying to determine.  Although I have never seen the 
book.... I recall that some publications
such as The Anarchists Cookbook may in fact contain fairly detailed 
procedures for such for the synthesis of illegal substances.  
If anyone knows of such a recipie please contact me by mail.  

jimbo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu

Once again I am not interested in making the stuff.  As a chemist there are
plenty of things in the lab which can be used for illegal purposes so I am not interested in making speed from drugstore chemicals.

It will probably be possible to determine the origin of the synthesis 
proceedure without ever discussing the chemicals involved.  Thanks.

Dr. Jim Peploski
Chemistry Dept.
Clarkson University

P.S.  If I have committed any Alt.drugs.faux.pas go easy on the flames
From: Eric_J_Rainbolt@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: MDMA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 07:26:02 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I just read this great book on MDMA published recently and available
at mall bookstores.  It was a thouroughly enjoyable read, and
is a catalyst for activism against it 1984 Supreme Court
ruling that put this "wonder drug" under Schedule I classification.
The name is MDMA: The Ecstacy Story.  The book even describes
methods of synthesis, some processes as easy as passing ammonia
over nutmeg.  I would be happy to read anyones comments about
this drug.

8-29-92
From: v113mg59@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ronald T Coslick Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: heard through the grapevine
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Here are three interesting items that I have heard recently that 
are appropriate for this board.  No guarantees of complete 
accuracy here, but maybe you've heard similar things:

Thing #1:  Al Gore and Jack Herer?!?!?

Rumor has it that on one of the recent Clinton/Gore bus trips, 
someone tried to hand Gore a copy of _The Emperor Wears No 
Clothes_.  Although he didn't take it, he acknowledged it as if 
he was familiar with it, and said something to the effect of 
"I know....we're with you" (!)

possible explanations:
1) he knows the book through study of environmental concerns, and 
supports cultivation of hemp for environmental reasons.
2) it is an election year and is trying to make everyone happy
3) he was clueless, and used an all-purpose positive response


Thing #2:  Kuntsler defends dope dealer

William Kuntsler, famous attorney, is defending hippie/activist 
Dana Beal of NYC who was caught with several pounds of schmee 
taped to his body at an airport, violating his parole.  Kuntsler 
will be raising the point that much of Beal's dealing was to 
people who wanted it for medical purposes, including a large 
number of AIDS patients.


Thing #3:   Bus drivers prefer Bud

A city bus driver told a friend recently that many of her 
co-workers smoke marijuana on the job to relieve the physical 
discomfort of driving long shifts.  Apparently driving is very 
physically stressful as well as psychologically, and drivers 
often develop acute muscal and joint soreness from sitting for
long hours behind the wheel.  However, prescription drugs which 
would alleviate the pain would also cause physical impairment which is 
a no-no behind the wheel.  So, most of the drivers smoke dope, 
which apparently does not impair driving.

==============
RoN
v113mg59@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: dback@chopin.udel.edu (Daniel B Louderback)
Subject: WoD (sort of)
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: alt.drugs
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 02:54:11 GMT

Isn't it great that the gov't has billions to spend on the WoD, but when there
is a real crisis like hurricane Andrew, relief efforts are sluggish at best.
Its about time that they realized that their crusade (witch hunt) is a waste
of EVERYONE'S tax dollars.  Seeing the desperate situation in south Florida
stirs up thoughts of bread lines in Russia or starving people in Africa!
Only in America!

Dan
From: Amiga@cup.portal.com (Philip Barry Kirschner)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: REWARD: Turn in your neighbor !
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 03:24:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Your neighbor should not be turned in. WHat ever happened to privacy?.
G-d what is this country comming to?.Does anyone have the answers?.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire)
Subject: An absinthe experience
Keywords: absinthe, thujone
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:13:11 GMT

I at last have had the opportunity to try the drug Absinthe, and
though of reporting my experience on the net.

	I was offered to try absinthe when visiting a cousin last week
end. Interestingly, while absinthe is illegal about everywhere in the
world, it is still legal in the small country of Andorre situated in
the mountains between France and Spain. When bringing it back to
Canada my cousin got searched, but absinthe is so little known in
Canada that the custom officers thought it was an ordinary bottle of
liquor, although it was clearly labelled Absinthe. I am told that it
is another story if you get caught with it in Europe...

	For anyone familiar with late nineteeth century French
litterature Absinthe posseses a very special mystique, since it looks
like just every French writer of the time was hooked on it. I had
always been wondering if the effects of Absinthe were due mainly to
the high alcool content, of if there was anything specific. The fact
that the main active ingredient, Thujone, is listed a toxic convulsant
made me somewhat apprehensive.

I drank a total of 3 ounces of absinthe that night. The taste is
strongly aromatic and the mouth gets completely numb when drinking it.
The procedure for drinking is to mix the absinthe with water. It then
turns milky white.

	After a few minutes of the first glass I could feel a
undistinct feeling of warmth and a rather pleasant buzz. The two more
glasses that I drank afterwards completely convinced me that the
effect of absinthe has little to do with alcool. After 3 ounces I was
experiencing a strong buzz, somewhat similar to a long lasting nitrous
oxide experience, minus the auditory disturbances. Duration was about
an hour, with a 30 minutes peak. The effect was extremely pleasant,
although I would not list absinthe as a psychedelic. It definitely
belongs in terms of subjective effects to the solvent/nitrous oxide
category, although pharmacologically very different. The following day
I felt very lethargic, but it is hard to say if it was due to the
absinthe since we stayed up pretty late that night.

	My conclusion: I give it two thumbs up, but would not drink it
more than occasionally since it is reported as neurotoxic. Try it out
if ever you go to Andorre.

					Pierre St Hilaire
					MIT Media Lab
From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: personal experience with drug testing
Date: 3 Sep 92 00:13:17 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


i had to take a piss test for a job last week, and was kinda worried
because i was cutting it close on timing. the test was on 28 august; i
had last smoked on 14 august, though it wasn't much and i hadn't for
about two weeks before that. 

i found out i'd have to be tested on 24 august, and read the alt.drugs
faq and immediately began drinking water. i tried to drink 3 quarts of
water/day, more or less, mostly just by always keeping a glass of
water nearby and by drinking water every time i urinated. on the 27th,
i took 250 mg of zinc (i dunno if it's related or not, but i took the
zinc on an empty stomach and had some serious nausea and cramps).
about three hours before the test, i had lunch and took 250 mg of zinc
and 150 mg of b2. this time, the zinc didn't make me sick at all. with
lunch, i drank approximately 100 oz of iced tea (five 20-oz glasses). 

i wasn't quite prepared for the lovely neon lemon yellow color the b-2
gave my urine, but the tech at the testing place showed no suspicion,
so it must not have been as bad as i thought. anyway, i got the
results back today, and i got hired. dunno if i'd've come up clean
without all those precautions, but it made me feel better anyway.
From: moore7004@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Ayahuasca and d.illinoensis
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:24:14 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In reference to recent ayahuasca and d.illinoensis postings....

Hmm...Don't want to sound like an uneducated goon (which I am, so bear with
me), but I've tried an "ayahuasca" brew with b.cappi and d.illinoensis. 
Terence McKenna suggests using equal dosages of each, and we used 150 mg of
each substance, which was (I think) effectively twice the "standard"(?) dose
(according to net.info we'd managed to procure).  I can't describe the method
of extraction we used very well, because it was a while ago...anyway, the only
effects were *mild* psychoactive business probably triggered by the harmaline
in the b.cappi.  Very disappointing.  (Please, I beg of thee, feel free to
dispute but I'm *so* sensitive to flames...)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: Holland Drug Classifications
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:25:44 GMT

ibarrett@casper.cs.uct.ac.za (I G Barrett) writes:

>The natural forms are NOT necessarily less potent.  Even if that was the case
>you could just take more!  Besides the damage caused by smoking it, is crack
>really more harmful than a similar quantity of cocaine consumed in coca tea?

   Well, if you manage to chew two kilos of coca leaves within the few minutes
necessary, then I guess you might be able to get as wasted as one can get from
crack or powder.
-- 
Jani Heinonen
jah@mits.mdata.fi

Newsgroups: alt.drugs