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Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Canadian beer trade barriers to be dropped
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 20:46:38 -0500

In article <702604884.F00003@blkcat.UUCP> you write:
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>From: John.DeCarlo@p109.f131.n109.z1.fidonet.org (John DeCarlo)
>Newsgroups: alt.beer
>Subject: Canadian beer trade barriers to be dropped
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>On <Apr 03 12:18>, Ken Forward (kforward@morgan.ucs.mun.ca ) wrote:

> KF >In article <1992Apr2.232911.16883@verdix.com> bill@verdix.com (William 
> KF >Spencer) writes:
>>kforward@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Ken Forward) writes:
>>>There is, of course, a downside to all this: possible job loss. In 
>>>particular, Canadian brewers are worried about a massive influx of
>>>cheap American beer. 
>>
>>Molson's and Labatt's might have to improve their product!

> KF >Amen to that!  But my point above had nothing to do with beer quality;
> KF >rather, a certain percentage of Canadians (or people anywhere, for that
> KF >matter) will drink anything if the price is right. The Canadian brewers
> KF >presently have no product to compete with the likes of Lone Star or
> KF >Pabst Blue Ribbon...

>Actually, a *lot* of Budweiser is sold in Canada.  It's expensive, but 
>imported!  (I cried when I first saw this in a bar on a trip.)  Maybe if it 
>comes down in price, people won't think it is as good.
>  
*IS* it imported???  I remember one time when I was in Winnipeg for the 
marathon.  UM rented rooms to participants and I went downtown with someone 
on the floor from Toronto.  It was the weekend of the Winnipeg Art Gallery 
street festival, where we sat down to their "beer garden."  He ordered a 
Buttwipers.  I offered an utterance of displeasure, to which he responded 
that it's not the same Bud as in the U.S., that it's brewed in Canada under 
licence.  That didn't induce me to try any, but.....

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: hersh@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Jay Hersh)
Subject: Re: Munich beer restaurants?
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:43:28 GMT

I strongly recommended a trip to Andechs!!
 the beer there is excellent.  Other places to try are
the Weihenstephan brewing intstute in Freising, the Ayinger 
pub across from Hofbrauhaus (where you can watch these really
cool beer tanker trucks deliver beer to the Hofbrauhaus!!).

Also Prince Regent Luitpold has a brewery west of Munich
I believe it's not too far from Andechs. The beers from his brewery were
great, I especiall liked the King Ludwig Dunkel...

-JaH

--
Hopfen und Malz, Gott erhalts
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Re: Malt Liquor
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:47:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.021055.10672@husc3.harvard.edu> filippi1@husc9.harvard.edu (David Filippi) writes:
>What is the exact definition of 'malt liquor'?

More than 4% (?) alcohol.  It is a term invented by the US Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (just the grouping of these disparate
items together gives you some hint as to the Government's agenda :-)  )

>Is there any worth drinking for any purpose besides getting drunk?

YES!  Some very good beers (especially German ones) are classified as
malt liquor by the Feds.  The label usually has Bier X'd out, and
Malt Liquor stamped on with what looks like a rubber stamp.
As far as American brewers go, "malt liquor" is usually a code word
for "get the inner city blacks good and drunk for under $5."

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: hall@trlian.enet.dec.com (Dan Hall)
Subject: Re: Guinness
Reply-To: hall@buffa.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Merrimack, NH
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 21:38:13 GMT


In article <9APR199218521992@vax.cc.williams.edu>, 92dms@vax.cc.williams.edu (Bat Rastard) writes:
>There was a thread a while ago about a new gadget appearing in Guinness 
>containers, which caused the stout to pour out in a richer, foamier fashion.  
>What was the official name of this innovation, and what was the name of the 
>special award it won?  Thanks.

The device was called a Smoothifier. Don't know what award it one.

There's been lots of speculation, information, and misinformation in this and
other forums about how it works.  Marlene Spears, a member of the Boston Wort
Processors, took the time to look up the device in the Patent Gazette.  Her
article appeared in the last issue of "Brewprint", the newsletter of the
Boston Wort Processors, and I've reprinted part of it below.  Drink about 6
cans of the new Pub Draught Guinness, then read the following three times fast:

"1. A beverage package comprising a sealed, non-resealable, container having a
primary chamber containing beverage having gas in solution therewith and forming
a primary headspace comprising gas at a pressure greater than atmospheric;
enclosure means defining a secondary chamber having a volume less than said
primary chamber; restrictor means defining a restricted orifice, said secondary
chamber communicating with the beverage in said primary chamber through said
restricted orifice; said secondary chamber containing beverage supplied thereto
from the beverage in the primary chamber and having a secondary headspace
therein comprising a gas at a pressure greater than atmospheric so that the
pressures within the primary and secondary chambers are substantially at
equilibrium; said container is openable to expose the primary headspace to
atmospheric pressure, and wherein the secondary chamber is arranged so that
upon opening of the container the pressure differential caused by the decrease
in pressure at the primary headspace causes beverage in the secondary chamber
to be ejected by way of the restricted orifice into the beverage of the primary
chamber and said ejection causes gas in the solution to be evolved and form, or
assist in the formation of, a head of froth on the beverage."

Now why didn't I think of that?

--
 Dan Hall   Digital Equipment Corporation   MKO1-2/H10   Merrimack, NH   03054
 hall@buffa.enet.dec.com		        ....!decwrl!buffa.dec.com!hall

 		      "Adhere to Schweinheitsgebot
	Don't put anything in your beer that a pig wouldn't eat"  --David Geary
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 13:18:07 CET
From: <FNOTMAN@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Yard glass quest
 <1992Apr9.031955.14828@willamette.edu> <8k4t8jn@rpi.edu>

 Referring to the original poster (and his 2 replies), are these the same yards
that we use in the UK. I (in the distant past of my studenthood) made several
attempts at a yard and never came even close.
 The UK yard is (generally) 2.25 pints (UK, that's 45 oz.), has a VERY steep
lip so the beer accelerates as it comes to the edge. The over-riding rule is
you must drink the whole lot (WITHOUT SPILLAGE) and without comming up for air.
 In 1 comp you were allowed to breath, but not break the rythym, problem was it
was "Newcastle Brown Ale" (this is a 4.5% alcohol bottled beer and VERY fizzy)
and you had a maximum 30 seconds to do the deed.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: Pete's Wicked Ale?
Followup-To: alt.beer, kyle@csli.stanford.edu
Summary: What about Pete's?
Keywords: Pete's Wicked Ale, Watney's
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Distribution: public, world
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:29:26 GMT

In article <AdujAUW00awE04oUki@andrew.cmu.edu> cm0o+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Craig "Mix-meister-mooshie-moosh" Mrusek) writes:
>
>In reference to a bar somewhere, Tom Steegmann writes:
>
>> I recently enjoyed my first Pete's Wicked Ale, 
>>which they have on tap at a reasonable price, there.
>
>	I saw this stuff sold in bottles by the six-pack in Columbus, OH,
>recently.  I can't remember specifically what the price was, but I do
>remember it being LUDICROUSLY expensive.
>
>	My questions are:  Why so pricey?  Is it imported?  Is it just that
>good?  Maybe if someone would be kind enough to give me a little
>taste-description, or compare it to some other brand, I might  be able
>to understand what makes it worthy of its price tag.

I haven't had a Pete's Wicked Ale in years, and I've actually NEVER
seen it on tap.  Guess they just don't import kegs to California...
but as I recall, it's a darker beer, heady, and the taste reminded me
somewhat of Watney's-- full and woody flavour, strong afterburn.  Uh,
aftertaste... excuse me... Anyway, I'd say it lives up to its name.
Any other comments?  Perhaps I could be tempted to try it again,
though it is rather expensive in bottles here.

-/-/-/-/-/-/-/
Kyle
"We're going to have the best-educated American people in the world."
                 --Dan "Dan-0" Quayle, U.S. Vice president 1988-1992
/-/-/-/-/-/-/-                                             ^^^^^^^^^
                                           well, we can always hope
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 16:20:17 -0400 
From: Lothar Boensch <lb31+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Munich beer restaurants?
 <1992Apr10.084420.5384@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
	<92102.121118HERSCH@auvm.american.edu>
Distribution: alt

Hi people.  This is my first time posting
here (I didn't know you existed!) and I think
this bboard is SUPER!  Hope to read your posts
concerning by absolutely favorite food product!


**********                     ***********
IN RESPONSE TO THE MUNICH BEER RESTAURANTS
**********                     ***********

My advice...

Stay away from the Hoffbrauhaus...It's simply a giant
warehouse (although quite nice) that caters to tourists.
It really is not the TRUE Muenchen experience.

Now, for atmosphere, weisswurst, bratwurst, blutwurst etc...
Go to ANY LOCAL PUB.  Taking the S-Bahn to anywhere outside
of the city is a good option.  It's the best way to meet
the people and enjoy good food!

Finally, if you have wheels, head off to Endachs (a Monastery about 45
minutes outside of Munich).  The have giant Hexen (a Bavarian
speciality) and they brew a terrific beer.  It really is worth the
drive.  It's on an outdoor patio covered with Sun!  Ahhhhhhhhh!!!  It's
terrific beer.  If anyone wants the exact name of it, I can make a call
or two and find out.  I still can't get used to beer brewed by
Monks...but it's simply intoxicating!

Ciao for now,
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\  \| |/  /       The Heinz School of Public Policy and Management
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From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Chimay (was: Re: Beer storage)
Date: 16 Apr 1992 18:13:58 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <92107.100721FNOTMAN@ESTEC.BITNET> <FNOTMAN@ESTEC.BITNET> writes:
> Not your imagination, this beer is a TOTALLY different brew to red or blue
>label Chimay. It's also the strongest of the 3. The Chimay monastery also
>does a good line in hydromel, though I've only ever bought it at the monastary
>and haven't seen it on sale more than about 5-10 miles out.

   The confusion may be at least partially yours.  In the US, I've seen
Chimay Red in standard-sized, crown-capped bottles.  I *buy* Chimay Red,
Grande Reserve, and Cinq Cents in 750-ml corked bottles.  Jackson says
that the Grande Reserve *is* Chimay Blue (which I've not come across),
and that it does taste mellower than the Blue that comes in smaller
bottles.  The Red has the lowest alocohol content ('though if memory
serves, it comes in higher than US-imported bottled Guinness), followed
by the Cinq Cents, with the Blue/Reserve coming in highest (9% by volume?).
   Anyway, all the 3/4-liter corked bottles I buy have the month and year
stamped on the cork.  The Grande Reserve I've purchased most recently had
a year of '89, while the Red and Cinq Cents was from early '91.  Great
stuff!
   As far as laying away a brew the same as you'd do for a wine, Thomas
Hardy Ale is famous for that, allegedly peaking on a timescale measured
in tens of years.  I don't have enough willpower for that, though, so I
enjoy it relatively fresh.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu -or- PGGIPL::PLUTCHAK (VMS: Just say NO!)
Favorite sci.geo.meteorology quote: "Joel dissipated over China on 7 September."
From: x1rbrown@exnet.iastate.edu (Roger Brown -- Information Specialist)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: beer and stuff
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:15:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.171542.7481
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Two questions for the net:


1- Is anyone currently brewing commercially in Chanpaign, IL. I think 
Chief's went belly up. They were perhaps replaced by Joe's Brewing Co.

2- What's the best beer store in Milwaukee. I want to make a quick stop 
for Sprecher, Klisch and perhaps Adler (and any other local micro/nano 
breweries).

Thanks!

Roger Brown
Ames, IA

PS  I need the info before April 29.

-- 

Roger Brown, x1rbrown@exnet.iastate.edu
Extension Communications, Iowa State University, Ames Iowa.
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 10:07:21 CET
From: <FNOTMAN@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Malt Liquor ** & Beer storage
 <92106.113328FNOTMAN@ESTEC.BITNET>
 <1992Apr15.184236.14457@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>

From: brown@slc8.INS.CWRU.Edu (Dan Brown)
Subject: Re: Malt Liquor ** & Beer storage
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:42:36 GMT

>In an earlier posting <FNOTMAN@ESTEC.BITNET> writes:
>> P.S. Chimay is the only brewery to my knowlege who make a standard brew where
>>they always put the year (I.E. "VINTAGE") on teh bottle. That particular brew

>Oh come on... there are lots of beers that date their beers... Thomas Hardy's
>even has serial numbers on each bottle. The date follows the number. For
>example, I one labled: No. B82918 1987. The B is printed in bold black ink,
>looks like the rest of the lable, as does the date. The 82918 is in red
>ink. I would be interested to know the meaning of the numbers, if any...


>>is in large bottles (3/5 litle I think, i.e. wine bottle sized) and comes
>>complete with a wired cork (a la champers).
 Sorry, that should be 3/4 litre, OPFT.

>Yes... I like to buy a bottle of Chimay like this, and share it with a bunch
>of people. I personally think that it tastes a bit better than Chimay in
>small bottles, but it is probably just me.

 You missed the point. The YEAR (not full date, not serial no., not code) is
a MAIN feature of the label, and your MEANT to lay it asside for 6months-2year
to mature (takes about 3 months to settle after buying). I.E. it is a GENUINE
"vintage" marker. FURTHER, unlike most beers I believe there is NO blending of
ingredientes from other years (normally a brewer will use hops from at least 3
years to avoid bad years).

 Not your imagination, this beer is a TOTALLY different brew to red or blue
label Chimay. It's also the strongest of the 3. The Chimay monastery also
does a good line in hydromel, though I've only ever bought it at the monastary
and haven't seen it on sale more than about 5-10 miles out.

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Re: Cheapest Beer??
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:02:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.051933.22065@willamette.edu> dbeacham@willamette.edu (Daniel Beacham) writes:
>	WHAT???!!!  You guys haven't heard of Lucky Lager??
>
>	8.50 a case (11 oz. stubbies) and a cryptogram puzzle in every cap!
>
>				Once upon a time..
>					
>					D.B.
>

Way back in the late 40's and early 50's the best-selling PREMIUM beer
west if the Missisippi (however the hell you spell it :-) ) was Lucky
Lager.  They stamped the bottling date dead center in the middle of the
X on the label, to ensure freshness.  Believe it or not, stupid
Americans thought all alcohol was the same, and the "urban folklore"
got started that beer that wasn't aged (like wine) was no good.  Lucky
refused to spend more than a modest amount on advertising, and their
market share shrank steadily throughout the 60's and 70's.  While it
was still made in Vancouver, Lucky was as good as any US light beer 
you'd care to compare it with, and better than most.  Since they've
begun sharing the brewery with Olympia in Olympia, Lucky has become
just another cheap beer.  Too bad.  At $28.00 a keg (in the late 70's)
it was the best on the American genre.  And you know what - they still
stamp the bottling date on the bottom of the cases. I remember when
you could get it less than a week old.  Now, it's typically 2-3 months.
But they still stamp the date on it...


-- 
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 ..uunet!camco!rosedale!dcb      (_)  - - - Ciao.    government than me?
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: ANSWERS to the DEFINITIVE BEER QUIZ
Date: 14 Apr 1992 19:31:14 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1992Apr13.160222.12716@ncsu.edu> mrpabst@blue.ribbon.ncsu.edu (matt) writes:
>
>I can't believe no one wants to take a shot at becoming BEER MASTER!!!

   Almost nobody sees your articles.  You're a popular KILL file entry.
Such is life.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu -or- PGGIPL::PLUTCHAK (VMS: Just say NO!)
Favorite sci.geo.meteorology quote: "Joel dissipated over China on 7 September."
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: txd84@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: WHAT THE HELL REVISITED
Reply-To: txd84@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:56:56 GMT

Hello again my beer loving friends and neighbors!!  Tis, I, the Harley loving
AMERICAN, coming to you form right here in beautiful Ames Iowa home of the 
CYCOLONES!!!  I was glad to recieve so many happy replies to my last article
named WHAT THE HELL?  Your cards and gifts were greatly appriciated.  Nothing 
makes myself happier then giving liberals something to rant and rave about!!
Evidently it takes so litte to get you going, you silly boys.  Although I would 
like to say I did enjoy sending return flames to you.  Oh, by the way I really
do not mind foreign beer, although I do mind foreign cars (but not the
ones made in Euorpe) Beer, however is beer!! Real men do not care where it is
made, they just want to get incompasitated. So why would you spend 70+ dollars
on a case of beer?  That is nuts!!  Oh, by the way American women are still
the best in the world. (But, the ones at ISU do leave something to be desired)
Anyways I will let yous go, but feel free to write me and make yourselves look
like crusaders for justice, peace, and world equality. (We here always get a 
good laugh out of you!!)

Love, 
Grand Master Chadwick
From: lgirardi@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Leo J. Girardi)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Shelf life of beer
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:22:01 GMT
Reply-To: ()


 
On shelf life of beers..

Even the big brewers no one likes ( Bud, Miller, Coors) have pull dates on 
thier product.  Coors has a 90 day pull date on cans and bottles, 45 day pull
date on kegs.  Bud and Miller (i think (not often!)) have 120 day pull dates
on cans and bottles, and 60 days on kegs.

i do know that for Coors, distributors are REQUIRED to remove product that is 
past the pull date, and dispose of it at thier own expense.  if anyone would
like to know how to read a coors pull date, let me know (email).  i do not 
know how to read the Bud and Miller pull dates.

also, if the beer is stored properly, you can usually exceed the pull date. 
but if you have ever tryed any really fresh beer from one of these brewers, 
say 3 or so days after being bottled (kegged) you can really taste the 
difference, compared to an older batch.

Leo.



Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Simpatico (was Re: R.R.)
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:38:48 GMT

In article <rpaolino.225@polisci.pol.umn.edu> rpaolino@polisci.pol.umn.edu (Robert Paolino) writes:
>In article <9APR199217551806@zeus.tamu.edu> rfs0838@zeus.tamu.edu (SCHAFFTER, RODNEY FRANK, JR) writes:
>
>>       Have you ever tried Simpatico?
>>       It is a Mexican beer that tastes much like the water in a garden 
>>hose that has sat out in the sun.
>
>I remember seeing an article about that in the business section of the local 
>paper when the "beer" first came out.  The article described how the company 
>did an incredible amount of market research into deciding on the bottle.  
>The beer was an afterthought.  The big thing was looking for something
>"unique" that would sell, and they decided on the opaque black bottle.

That's right!  High-concept beer at it's "best".
When it started out (in the black-painted bottles with the yellow flower
on the label) it was made under contract by a German brewery I had never
heard of, and was plugged as a "premium German beer".  But people didn't
understand the notion of a "German" beer with a "Mexican" name, (could
the marketing guys have been wrong - all it needed was something
foreign-sounding) so they started brewing it in Mexico!  Hey, but it had
the same name, so there is a consistency of sorts here.
Absolutely incredible.

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