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From: anton@HQ.Ileaf.COM (steve norton)
Subject: crispell w/ braxton (was: Re: Crispell/Tristano/Bley)
Reply-To: anton@HQ.Ileaf.COM (steve norton)
Organization: interleaf, inc., waltham, ma, usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:59:52 GMT

In some article with a stupid number, sik@grosz.esd.sgi.com (Mistah
Katz? He dead.) writes:

> 
> It seems like Crispell can do no wrong.  I live in fear that I'll
> come across that new Braxton 4 CD set and have to buy it.
> Can anyone give me a good reason not to?  
> 
> =-s

(sorry, seth, the conrad thing just slipped out...)

i've held off posting about this because, well, 4 CDs is a lot to
assimilate and i have So Little Time to listen.  and my crappy cd
player at work won't... oh, never mind.

i'm really pleased with the set.  it has a wide variety of tunes from
brand new to quite old (19 years).  it documents yet more new
development in braxton's approach to small-group music (still my
favourite context for him).  there is strong playing in abundance from
the whole band, Gerry Hemingway on percussion, Mark Dresser on bass,
Marilyn Crispell on piano and Braxton on the usual assortment.

2 of the discs document a 2-set concert at last year's Willisau
festival on june 2.  the other 2 discs were recorded in the studio on
jund 4th & 5th.  the sound of both recordings is very good.  the notes
are by the ubiquitous & enthusiastic Graham Lock.  it's hard to beat
his knowledge of braxton's ouvre.

it's about time! i've been waiting for this for quite a while: this is
the first recording of a braxton touring band since 1986.  ok, '88 if
you count the WestWind bootleg, If My Memory Serves Me Right, but
that's still a long time.  at the head of the notes, it says something
like Celebrating 25 Years of Creative Music.  (i assume that's a
reference to the date of braxton's first appearance on record, Muhal
Richard Abrams' _Levels and Degrees of Light_ on delmark.)

buy it, seth.  you want it.  trust me...
-- 

/steve
From: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Miles Davis 1970's output
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:05:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: bit.380
Reply-To: grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti)
Organization: BIT  Portland, OR

In article <0095DE8E.DC664560@vax.nott.ac.uk> cczanj@vax.nott.ac.uk (Andy Jack) writes:
>>> What do you think of Miles' experiments in the 70's.  
>
>I hate to strike a sour note but it doesn't do much for me. I've been
>listening to some of those things lately as I've access to a student record
>library and they've got quite a lot of that period. I didn't buy anything
>between "Silent Way" and "We Want Miles", which is quite a gap and I felt I
>ought to revisit that period.
>...
>If I listen to "On the Corner" I can't really discern any structure. 
>The bass players that Miles used between Dave Holland and Marcus Miller
>(excluding those two) seem like automata to me.
>...

That's your problem. You don't "hear" the music yet. This isn't really
a slam against you. I had the same feelings when Bitches Brew first came
out. I immediately baught it because it was a Miles Davis album (after all
I named my son Miles!) but at first I thought it was chaos. After numerous
carefull listening sessions the chaos became quite orderly and in fact quite
wonderful. Keep listening. Seeing Miles live during that period really helped
define the interaction between the musicians, especially the band with
DeJohnette, Holland, Corea, Grossman, Airto, and Jarrett. They were incredable
live. They were telepathically linked. I once saw them all leave out a
half note, in the middle of nowhere without any notice. It even startled
Miles. He turned around to them and smiled!!!

I agree about the bass players. I loved the work with Holland.
Marcus Miller seemed to really rejuvinate Miles. But some of the other
players weren't that interesting. Except of course Miroslav Vitous!

>... He makes sideswipes at jazz people who don't
>accept rock as a *serious* music (that's me, folks),

Of course that is why you don't like Jimi Hendrix. You have to like rock
first! I've been playing some pretty out there jazz for the last 20 years
but I love rock. That may be why I liked (and still do) Jimi's playing.
I don't really know what "*serious* music" is. If you are serious about
playing or liking music then I guess it's serious!

>Why does everybody go on about Jimi Hendrix? Apart from innovation and the
>trick of dying young,
>	Cheers,
>	Andy
Innovation is good, no? I heard him jam with some folks once and was impressed
by his chops. He really could play the guitar well. As to the "trick of
dying young" - don't try that at home kids!

-grego
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From: jaz@icd.ab.com (Jack A. Zucker)
Subject: Pat Metheny
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:38:30 GMT

FYI (this has me drooling).

In the latest "Guitar Player" magazine, Metheny says he will probably
record an album with Jim Hall consisting of standards and originals. He
also mentions that he and John Scofield almost got together for an
album but there was a clash between the record labels.

-Jaz

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From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: RPG All-Star Big Band
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:53:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

BOYD@UNB.CA (BOYD) asks:
>Friend of mine told me I must buy this album (GRP All-Star Big Band),
>but I can't find it, and we have no idea as to the recording label.
       ^- odd, but a good sign                       ^you're looking at it,
                                                      GRP _is_ the label.
>Any suggestions?

  Yeah, forget GRP and buy some Duke Ellington, you won't be sorry.  I
don't mean to be snide; it's just that GRP specializes in recording
very watered-down "jazz", Music To Fall Asleep By; so when a lot of
GRP artists get together, you get very limp imitations of big-band
music.  It is probably available in all record stores though. 

On the other hand there is a great tradition of exciting big-band music.
My suggestion would be to buy the Ellington "Blanton-Webster Band" set
but since that's 3 CDs it might be out of line.  Would a more clued-in
person care to suggest a good 1-CD currently available introduction to
Duke? 

Ben
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: MVP (Mark Varney Project)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:59:43 GMT

larry@lut.fi (Lauri Toropainen) writes:
>Is there anything else available from MVP? 

My db says that the April 1992 issue of Downbeat reviewed the
following two albums:
	The Varney Project -- Truth In Shredding [Legato]
	Mark Varney -- Centrifugal Funk [Legato]

You may want to check that issue for details.


--Gidi
From: cczanj@vax.nott.ac.uk (Andy Jack)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Miles Davis 1970's output
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:01:09 GMT
Reply-To: cczanj@vax.nott.ac.uk (Andy Jack)
Organization: University of Nottingham, UK

>> What do you think of Miles' experiments in the 70's.  

I hate to strike a sour note but it doesn't do much for me. I've been
listening to some of those things lately as I've access to a student record
library and they've got quite a lot of that period. I didn't buy anything
between "Silent Way" and "We Want Miles", which is quite a gap and I felt I
ought to revisit that period.

Chacun a son gout and all that, but I find it hard to get through a side of
some of those records without wandering off and doing something else. The
bands are largely collections of mis-matched individuals and Miles didn't
seem to write anything for them to work around. The Shorter/Hancock/Carter &
Williams quintet did great things with standard & new material (Plugged
Nickel & Filles de Kilimanjaro, to quote two examples at random). In both
cases the structure was there, although it took me longer to latch on to what 
happens on Filles. If I listen to "On the Corner" I can't really discern any
structure. It starts, wanders about a bit and then stops (or fades). The bass
players that Miles used between Dave Holland and Marcus Miller (excluding
those two) seem like automata to me.

I can hear the waves of "Don't analyze, accept it" breaking at my door. And
as for the guy who says that it's all the same 12 notes so what does it
matter - it matters a lot. He makes sideswipes at jazz people who don't
accept rock as a *serious* music (that's me, folks), and the jazz-type people
that Miles had in the early 70's so something matters to him. To anyone who
says "It's all music" one has to ask "But is it any good?". Musicians have
some ideal of what is "good" or how could they try to be better? Miles had
the additional and different curse of needing to change. Actually I think the
70's were the period when his music changed least.

On a related topic -

Why does everybody go on about Jimi Hendrix? Apart from innovation and the
trick of dying young, he never seems to me to have any claim to fame. Like
those Miles records of the 70's, it sounded crass to me then and sounds dated
now. Personally, I'd recommend an Anton Webern Memorial Prize for Hendrix to
commemorate inspiring so many dreadful imitators with so little to say.

	Cheers,
	Andy
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: another Chicago event for SIGGRAPH
Keywords: BRACKETS
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:24:46 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.154744.7215@bnr.ca> jgthomas@crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Thomas) writes:
>Jeff --
>
>Are you guys playing anytime else after Wednesday, July 29?

'Fraid not.  We don't have anything after the 29th.  We will most likely
be back at the Bop Shop in the fall.  I have to get over to the Hot
House and try to get a gig there.

If you are in Chicago for the Jazz Fest on Labor Day weekend, you might
be able to catch me at the after fest jam sessions at the Southend.
Last year, I was there with the Short band, and often players from the
fest come by and sit in.  Last year, on different nights, Reggie Workman,
Lester Bowie, Mark Helias, Ray Anderson, and Yosuke Yamashita played at
the Southend.

Jeff
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: best of john mclaughlin
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:06:19 GMT

>>> 	Lotus Feet
>The eponimous Shakti?  Maybe.

Indeed.  The album cover says "SHAKTI WITH JOHN MCLAUGHLIN" and has no
other name.  That's the one with the song with the longest title known
to mankind: ``What need have I for this -- what need have I for that
-- I am dancing at the feet of my lord -- all is bliss -- all is
bliss.''

By the way, the band featured in ELECTRIC DREAMS was called The One Truth
Band.


--Gidi


PS:  But I still think that Yellowman's "Zungguzungguguzungguzeng" is the
     best song title.
From: mqd1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MAURICE Q. DADOUN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: JAZZ CDs STORES IN NY ?
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:32:27 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Hi,
Does anyone know a good jazz cds stores in NY ?

Thanks for sending me addresses,
Maurice
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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: New live Meters? 
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:57:42 GMT


Recent and Upcoming Album Releases:

>21 Jul  r The Meters                      Uptown Rulers:Live '75 <4 CDs>

Anyone got any more details on this one? I'd love to get label info and 
track listings for this to add to my discogrpahy. And a 4 DC set live
from 1975 sounds a little odd to me, I can't help wondering how much ground
it covers if it's all recorded in 1975...

 - malcolm@wrs.com  
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From: lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller)
Subject: Re: Jazz Breakbeats
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Tucson Az.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:32:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.123626.28711@bilpin.co.uk> mark@bilpin.co.uk (Mark Allerton) writes:
...
>Also, Weather Report's "Cucumber Slumber" is another killer break
>(Alphonso Johnson on the bass again) though it has been used already (by
>MC 900 Ft Jesus, amongst others.)
...
>
>Mark Allerton
>mark@bilpin.co.uk

Are these guys any good? (MC 900 ft Jesus)
A friend of mine said I might like them, but I am skeptical. What sort of
hip hop are they? What kind of lyrics? Aggresive? Laid back? More like
Urban Dance Squad than rap?

Thanks--

/lex
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From: bw@hpcvxgmr.cv.hp.com (Bill Wilhelmi)
Subject: Red Mitchell 
Reply-To: bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com
Organization: Interstate 5
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:00:29 GMT

Recently, Red Mitchell moved to Salem, OR from Sweden.  He is playing in
some restaurants around town, and I intend to go see him in the next 
couple of weeks.  I have heard very little about Red--only that he is 
very good.  

I was wondering if anyone could enlighten me a little more about
Red's work including some of the major gigs he has worked and some of
the better albums he has done.  Also, what people has he worked with?
Did he ever have his own group?

Thanks in advance,

 Bill

-- 
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 Hewlett-Packard - User-interface Technology Division CV
 1000 NE Circle Blvd.  Corvallis, OR 97330
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From: srcd@faraday.physics.utoronto.ca (Solomon Douglas)
Subject: Re: Crispell/Tristano/Bley
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Toronto
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:00:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.172713.571@csrd.uiuc.edu> hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
>Crosscurrents, a split lp with [Lennie Tristano on side A, and] Thad
>Cameron [on side B] (or was it Thad Jones?)

Nope, Buddy DeFranco has most of side B.

Solomon
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From: joey@berkeley.edu (Joe Hellerstein)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: The Monette Trumpets (was Re: Wynton's horn)
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:59:56 GMT
	<JOEY.92Jul23080146@elysium.berkeley.edu>
	<1992Jul23.193806.11519@b11.b11.ingr.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Postgres Research Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: elysium.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: goodloe@birdland.ingr.com's message of 23 Jul 92 19:38:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.193806.11519@b11.b11.ingr.com> goodloe@birdland.ingr.com (Tony Goodloe) writes:

   Yup, but I also think you have the best "production" horn around . I
   have a Benge and was going to get a used Bach, but am holding out for a
   Monette now. The horn can make a difference with me. I played a Shilke
   Eb/D and found it to be a joy to play, whereas the Holton Eb/D that I
   played stunk - out of tune, stuffy, etc.

Note that Eb/D trumpets, as well as piccolo trumpets, flugels, and
even C trumpets, are rarely as reliable as the Bb horns, at least from
the major vendors.  Intonation is always hairy (even on Schilke
piccolos and especially Eb's, and on Cuesnon and Courtois flugels, and
the like), and tone tends to be either flabby or brittle in some
register.  Being a "jazz guy", I rarely if ever play anything but a Bb
and a flugel (mine's a King, not so bad for the money).  But when I do,
I'm usually not too happy.  (And it's so damn weird to put the horn to
your face and have a flat and flabby F come out when you expected a
C!)

Joe
From: jgthomas@crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Thomas)
Subject: Re: Ran Blake
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:33:31 GMT

In article <9207201950.AA06665@wavetracer.com>, gwl%wave3_1@mcnc.org (Glenn Lea) writes:
|> >>>>> On Mon, 20 Jul 1992 13:39:29 GMT, wave3_3!crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain!jgthomas (John Thomas) said:
|> 
|>   John> I have been looking to buy a album by Blake but don't know which to
|>   John> start with.
|> 
|> Here are my two favorites:
|> 
|> "Suffield Gothic" is an '84 Soul Note release.  It's about half solo
|> piano, the rest duets with tenor saxophonist Houston Person.
|> "Haunting" is a good adjective for the overall mood.  There's a nice
|> tribute to Mahalia Jackson and a twisted march.
|> 
|> "That Certain Feeling" is a 70+ minute hat ART CD recorded in '90 with
|> Steve Lacy and Rickie Ford in various combinations on an all-Gershwin
|> program.  The duet version of "My Man is Gone" with Lacy is exquisite.
|> 
|> There's a good profile of Blake in Francis Davis' "Outcats", just out
|> in paperback.  He is most enamored with the '87 "Short Life of Barbara
|> Monk", also on Soul Note.
|> 
|> --------------------------------------------------
|> Glenn Lea - reply to gwl@wavetracer.com
|> Wavetracer, Inc.

YES!  I just got done reading OUTCATS.  I liked Davis' style of writing
so much, I went out and got another earlier book he wrote in a similar
vein, IN THE MOMENT -- both contain jazz artist portraits for those
he considers "on the outside."

Thanks again...          
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From: smehta@kwela.nynexst.Com (Sandeep Mehta)
Subject: Re: IAI jazz label
Reply-To: smehta@nynexst.com
Organization: Speech Technology, AI Lab, NYNEX S&T Inc, White Plains, NY
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:02:16


> jgthomas@crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Thomas) writes:

> Does anyone know what artists and how many titles were released
> on the old IAI label?  I mean the old LPs and not the current reissues
> on CD.  There are really some excellent titles on here -- the duets
> between Rivers and Holland, for example.

RECDB (so far) tells me:

Records on label:
Bley, Paul - Turning Point                                       (IAI 1975, LP)
Bley, Paul - Quiet Song                                          (IAI 1976, LP)
Bley, Paul - Japan Suite                                         (IAI 1977, LP)
Bowie, Lester - Duet w/ Philip Wilson                            (IAI 1978, LP)
Coleman, Ornette - Coleman Classics Volume 1                     (IAI 1977, LP)
Lacy, Steve - Sidelines                                          (IAI 1977, LP)
Ra, Sun - Solo Piano                                             (IAI 1977, LP)
Ra, Sun - St. Louis Blues - Solo Piano                           (IAI 1978, LP)
Rivers, Sam - Vol. 2 w/ Dave Holland                             (IAI 1977, LP)


The first Rivers/Holland duet (Vol. 1) has now been reissued on CD as
has Ran Blake's BREAKTHRU (IAI 123-842). The cat # is BS/SN (Sphere).

It isn't clear if the OC date was led by Ornette or Bley, I assume
the former. Was there ever a Vol. 2 ??

Also, my Bley collection is vastly inferior to Bill Hsu's (like
that's a surprise ;-)) so there are more Bley's on IAI -- after all
it was his own label.

/sandeep
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From: blindsay@bcarh773.bnr.ca (Brian Lindsay)
Subject: Re: Keith Jarret : Recommendation
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:41:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.122144.1@venus.ycc.yale.edu> carlier@venus.ycc.yale.edu writes:
>hi,
>I am interested in buying a few GOOD CDs by Keith Jarreth.
>I have the Koln Concert and I really like it.  Could someone recommend
>some of his other albums.  What about the ones that he recorded
>with Paecock and ...?

I'd recommend any of the following to start:

Solo Piano:       Staircase; Solo Concerts 
American Quartet: Survivor's Suite; Death and the Flower
Euro Quartet:     Personal Mountains; Nude Ants
Standards Trio:   Tribute; Still Live

There's much much more of course. As for the Sun Bear Concerts,
there is some great playing on it, but it is probably not the
best place to start what with 6 CDs of solo piano to digest.

C
best place ti start. At 6 CDs of solo piano, it





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The opinions expressed above are solely those of Brian Lindsay
From: cthulhu@sparky.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Kupper)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Goodbye Porkpie Hat
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:14:53 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1992Jul27.053052.20855@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.224034.10693@leland.Stanford.EDU> baer@jessica.stanford.edu (Paul Baer) writes:
>>Having realized that my collection now includes about 6 different
>>artists' recordings of Goodbye Porkpie Hat, which is currently my
>>John McLaughlin, on "Belonging"

  Never heard of any album called "Belonging" but I know it is on the album 
"My Goal's Beyond".
From: mueller@grmnntp.grump.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Blues with Satan & Adam in Central NJ
Date: 20 Jul 92 18:12:47 -0400
Organization: Grumman Space & Electronics systems - Princeton

For those blues fans in the NY, NJ, Philly and Deleware area:
   
      "Outta" Sights & Sounds, central Jersey's non-proffit community
       concert production/promotion club, in affiliation with the
      East Windsor Department of Recreation, proudly presents:
   
   That UNSTOPABLE Blues duo from Harlem:

         Satan & Adam

   Friday night, July 24, Hightstown Ballroom 
   (Just off of Exit 8 of the scenic NJ Turnpike)

  These area favorites will be stopping by Hightstown for a Friday
  night blow-out on their way to the stupefyingly crowded River Blues
  Festival in Philly this weekend.

  So, come see these incredible Flying Fish recording artists
  where you can actually see them.
  We'll be having Heinekin on tap too.

  UPCOMMING EVENTS:

 Classic folk performer: Jonathan Edwards
   Saturday, September 19, Grace Norton Rogers Theatre, Hightstown NJ

 Folk loons: Trout Fishing In America
   Friday night coffeehouse and Saturday theatre matinee,
    October 16 & 17, Grace Norton Rogers Theatre, Hightstown NJ 


For info on any of our shows, or if you are intrested in lending a
hand at postering, promotion, working at the shows, or joining our
team, call John Bates at (609) 890-0808.

Thanks for your attention.

Tech note: please e-mail replys to me, not to the newsgroup, as we
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