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From: epeschko@seasnake.micro.umn.edu (Ed Peschko)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: poker over the net....
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:53:25 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis: Under Grad Workstation Lab.

hello--- 

Are there internet servers set up out there that are dedicated to poker
(or maybe casino games in general? Albeit a far cry from the real thing,
my real poker nights are cut down to once a month...)

Or, if anyone is out in the minneapolis area, maybe they could direct me to 
clubs and such.

Thanks a lot
Ed Peschko
(Email preferred but not essential)

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From: calvinj@ecs.comm.mot.com (Calvin Jestice)
Subject: Re: Las Vegas crowd levels
Organization: control_centers
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:11:07 GMT

    I was in Vegas last year during the rodeo and it was
as packed as I've ever seen.  Get your reservations now!

Cal Jestice                       
calvinj@ecs.comm.mot.com 

If you bet on a horse - that's gambling
If you bet you get three spades - that's entertainment
If you bet cotton will go up three points - that's business
See the difference?



-- 




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From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Poker: bet-declare-bet??
In-reply-to: joel@moho.sdsu.edu's message of Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:05:44 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: usa
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:54:34

In article <1992Oct16.210544.21309@newshub.sdsu.edu> joel@moho.sdsu.edu (Joel Wedberg) writes:
>
> hroth@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Harris Roth) writes:
>:... or pig (both high and low winner - three chips).  Lowest low hand; A2346 (no...

>:... low hand only takes whole pot.  If pig beats low but loses high, or pig
>: beats high but loses low, pig is out and best high and low split.  Low or
>: high ties split pot, but the pig must win and cannot tie.
>:
>
> Alright, I'm a rookie, never played "high low", and there's 
> something I just don't understand: how can a "pig" hand
> exist? I mean to ask, how can someone win both best hand and
> worst hand at the same time (mutually exclusive...?)?
>
>	Maybe you don't have to use the same five cards (out of seven)
> for high and for low?

That is the easiest way, and that is quite common in games where the player
uses more than five cards.  It is also possible to win both ways in some
5-card games.  In many hi-lo games, there are slightly different rules
for determining the highest and lowest hands.  There are many different
rules that can be used to determine which is the best low hand.  It is
quite common in low games to not count straights or flushes, so that A2345
is the lowest hand.  If you happen to end up with A2345 of the same suit,
then you have a dynamite hand both ways.

Now, if you call a hi-lo 5 card game where the straight and flushes are
counted as high hands, and the ace is counted as a high card except in
A2345 straights and straight flushes, then the best low hand is 75432.
In games similar to this, it would not generally make sense to go both
ways since any good low hand would prevent you from having a decent high
hand, and vice-versa.
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  I have K-10 offsuit...."
From: colaluca@cs.utexas.edu (Mark Colaluca)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: WANTED: Lem Banker's Book of Sports Bettting
Date: 9 Oct 1992 16:57:13 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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Keywords: sports

Subject line about says it all.  This book has been out of print for about 4 or 5 years now, so GBC has a waiting list for any copies it can find.  Of course,
I am on that list, but if anyone has a copy they wouldn't mind parting with,
I'd be glad to take it off their hands.

Thanks,

-- 
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From: yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich)
Subject: Re: People interested in video poker.
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:12:42 GMT

	I have received about 5 responses to my post.


	Please send me mailing addresses for the thing.  It's hard
	copy.  A business address is better, but home is OK.


	My terms are simply that you play the system for probly at
	least an hour, and let me know your profit/loss.

	Or at least if you get it, and think it's rediculous (which
	it isn't) then let me know.  But I would think that anything
	is worth a 1 hr try.

	And I'd like to do it this month.

	So re-mail me, all you nice people.  I think I only have
	one or two addresses so far.


	Bye!

-- 
	Alan Yasutovich
	"inquiring  (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
	I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
	Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
From: cheese@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: RE: Baseball
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:01:03 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <Bw2vpL.1Fu@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cii6712@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Patrick  
Sullivan) writes:
> Tomorrow, the Bluejays and Athletics are playing game six of the ALCS.  
> Who, in your opinion, is going to win this game and why?  

Oakland.  Because, so far I was right about Atlanta, Pittsburgh, Toronto,
and Oakland winning their pennants.  According to my pre-season picks,
Oakland will beat Toronto and Pittsburgh will beat Atlanta.  

Jason

PS.  Oakland over Pittsburgh in the series!
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Low limit Holdem strategy
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:55:15 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Computing Systems

In article w1DksB2w165w@infochi.com, newt@infochi.com (Newton K. Fish) writes:
>> Anyway, the question is, what is the "correct" strategy to follow
>> for the lower (say 1-2, 2-4 or even 3-6) tables?  I can't seem to
>> really get things to go my way at these tables.  I'm more or less
>> following Sklansky and Malmuth's advice for 6-12 tables and it
>> seems to work fairly well (however I'm still pretty green).
>I don't understand why the stakes make a difference in your strategy. In 
>hold'em you are playing your opponents and your position. Not necessarily 
>in that order. The crucial thing during a long haul game is knowing those 
>times when you can buy into a strong position and make a hand win that 
>wouldn't normally. How often do you get to play AA KK AK(s) QQ AQ(s)? I 
>suppose a poor analogy would be the middle game of chess match. Those 
>marginal hands are where the real skill comes in. And it has very little 
>to do with card strategy. When you make those decisions to try to win 
>when you know your not pat my experience has shown me that that is where 
>the money is. This is the fastest way to find the fear threshold of your 
>tablemates. Hold'em is such a brutally beautiful psychological exercise. 
>And for my MONEY that's where it's at. 

Makes a huge difference depending on the size of the game if you are talking
about the long haul.  Raise in a 30-60 game and it's likely to be heads-up.
Raise in a 3-6 and you may end up with a family pot.  You can't use the "expert"
strategy of playing loose in a tight game and tight in a loose game either.

You have to outplay your opponents and that means changing speeds however
you have to maximize your return on investment.

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From: slandrum@ntg.com (Stephen H. Landrum)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Poker: bet-declare-bet??
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:35:48 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

In article <ldjm87INNj3v@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> empcomm@empserv.Corp.Sun.COM (Chet Anderson - Emp. Services) writes:
>
>When playing high-low poker, is it unusual to play
>bet-declare-bet?  

In the weekly social game that I play in, not only do we have
bet-declare-bet, but we encourage any lock hand to bet by giving
first action to the lock hand.

Why should poker be fair?
-- 
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From: raj1@jaguar.uofs.edu
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: AC Info Wanted
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:25:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Scranton

In article <BvKBoD.1tB@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v065hpft@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Brian R Lippman) writes:
> I'm going to be in New Jersey the weekend of October 16th and was wondering
> if anyone could tell me at which casinos I'd find the best minimums at this
> time of year.  I was in AC in late June and was able to find $5 BJ at most
> casinos but if the traffic is down I think it may be a little bit harder
> to find these minimums to force people to wager more.

Well....having been going down to AC for most of this summer (my parents have a
trailer outside of Ocean City) I can help.  The best place I think is Bally's
Grand.  They have several $5 tables and I think some double exposure tables too.
I was there on successive Fri and Sat night and there was seats available at the
$5 dollar tables.  Only is I am not sure how many decks they are useing.  They
also have Red Dog where the minimum is only $3.  This past weekend it was $2.

I think Caesars is the worst.  The most of their tables are $15 or higher 
and they have lot of $25.  You might find $10 but you won't get a seat.  Most
of the other casinos are $10 and up.  I don't know about Trump Plaza or
Tropicanica because I havn't gone there yet.

I hope this helps and good luck.
Robert
>[rest of post deleted] 
> Please post your responses here or e-mail.  Thanks.
> 
> Brian
From: empcomm@empserv.Corp.Sun.COM (Chet Anderson - Emp. Services)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Poker: bet-declare-bet??
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:59:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: empserv.corp.sun.com


When playing high-low poker, is it unusual to play
bet-declare-bet?  

My friends were playing that way last night, and a
huge argument ensued, after a solo low-bettor made
a extremely large raise.  To some, it seemed unfair
for him to be able to bet when he knows he's going
to win.  Others argued that's just the way it goes. 

One suggestion was to just play bet-declare-showdown,
but then it was argued that that's too boring...

Any ideas?

Chet

chet.anderson@sun.coom
From: decot@cup.hp.com (Dave Decot)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Kibo in A.C.
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:15:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: cup.Bw8oq8.99q
Organization: Make a Wish Foundation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Martin Veneroso (slick@netcom.com) wrote:
: My sources indicate that James Perry [aka 'Leader Kibo' -- mhv] has
: been named by Aztar as the new president of TropWorld in Atlantic
: City.  The P.R. folks at Aztar have released an obviously bogus
: bio of James Perry, indicating that he is 42 years old and has been
: with Aztar (and before that, Ramada) since 1976 -- never mentioning
: his alter ego and net.persona Kibo.
: 
: Does this mean the signage at TropWorld will be done-over by Biff?

WAY K00L.  LIKE, ALL Y00 D00DZ SHOULD GO 2 TR0PW0RLD, ALL RIGHT!
KOWABUNGA! .
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From: sethb@fid.morgan.com (Seth Breidbart)
Subject: Re: People interested in video poker.
Organization: my opinions only
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:05:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.102013.614@fibers> mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck) writes:

>Are you from New York?

Yeah.  What's it to ya?

Seth		sethb@fid.morgan.com
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From: davem@county.lmt.mn.org (David Mackmiller)
Subject: Vegas World
Organization: LaserMaster R&D, Minneapolis, MN  USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:14:43 GMT


The latest Vegas World ad in last Sunday's Minneapolis paper had an
outdoor nighttime photo of VW in it.  I swear it must have been a
helicopter shot taken with a massive telephoto lens from somewhere
over downtown Las Vegas.  The depth-of-field (or lack of it) in the
picture made it look like it was directly across the street from the
Sahara and only a few feet away from the Stardust and Frontier. 
Amazing!

Well the offer hasn't changed much, except that instead of $600 in
action chips they give you $200 in cash and $200 in action chips
(same expected value).  Kind of reduces your incentive to learn the
"triple down" strategies proposed by Steve, but at least you don't
have to spend as much time in their casino to get cash.

But wait!  You get four free Keno plays!  And if you act now, they'll
throw in a free pair of Vegas World dice!  All you have to do is send
them your money three months in advance... 

DaveMac

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From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Doubling down for your neighbour, Question ?
In-reply-to: venkataraman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu's message of 15 Oct 1992 10:34 MST  
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Distribution: world,local
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:49:22

In article <15OCT199210342049@misvax.mis.arizona.edu> venkataraman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Remesh Venkataraman) writes:

> The last I was in Laughlin, I was playing at third base on a table that
> allowed double down on any two cards.  The player sitting next to me
> refused to double down on anything soft (even with dealer showing 4-6).
> So, I decided to place the he double down bets for her, and probably won
> some money. 
>
> The way it worked was that I would keep the my bet and the winnings if we
> won (as as if that is not obvious:-)). My question is 
>
> 1) Would the lady have been better off hitting, instead of letting me
>    double for her ? 

Absolutely.  By letting you double for her, she gave up the option of
taking additional hits if the first hit card was too small.  Many doubling
situations will significantly reduce the probability of winning, while
increasing the expectation.  This reduced probability of winning translates
into reduced expectation for the other player when you double for them.

> 2) If she was at a disadvantage or if she felt that she was losing hands
>    becasue of my doubling down (which did happen sometimes), what kind of
>    deal could I cut (in terms of sharing the money won on double downs),
>    and still keep this practice profitable for me ?

Nothing comes to mind.  Even if you "bought" the hand from her by returning
her bet, she would be giving up favorable hands.  The only "fair" way would
be for you to buy the hand by paying her the amount that she would expect
you win by playing it her way.  This would cost her nothing and allow you
to profit from playing the hand optimally.

> 3) Finally, if this is indeed profitable would the pit critters care about
>    such action ? 

Who knows what evil dwells in the mind of the pit critter....
--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  I have K-10 offsuit...."
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From: moo@king.eng.umd.edu (Deac Moo of the UGC)
Subject: Re: Las Vegas crowd levels
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 21:27:09 GMT
Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park
Reply-To: moo@king.eng.umd.edu

In article <1992Oct7.141450.600@fibers>, mbuck@fibers (Michael D. Buck) writes:
>Anyone have any idea what the crowd size is likey to be in Las Vegas
>during the National Finals Rodeo period of December 4-15?
>
>Are we talking COMDEX size crowds, or Elvis Impersonator Convention
>size crowds?

DECUS-going? Went two years ago. Worst drawbacks are:

	A) Having a connecting flight in Dallas/Ft-Worth, so all the
	   yee-hawers get on with you, and they're prime-time to grab
	   two miniatures before the plane levels out. 

	   Makes for a colorful ride, fer shure.

	B) Most shows on the strip are geared for the Achey-Breaky
	   heard crowd during that time frame.

I suppose it's great if own a pair of booots and a 10 gallon hat pard'nr.

Actual crowd size didn't seeem to be a big deal. 
	                *** MOO@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU***
Heaven: Playing craps with HotBabes(tm) screaming "I want you to come for MEEE." 
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From: joel@moho.sdsu.edu (Joel Wedberg)
Subject: Re: Poker: bet-declare-bet??
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:05:44 GMT





hroth@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Harris Roth) writes:
:... or pig (both high and low winner - three chips).  Lowest low hand; A2346 (no...

:... low hand only takes whole pot.  If pig beats low but loses high, or pig
: beats high but loses low, pig is out and best high and low split.  Low or
: high ties split pot, but the pig must win and cannot tie.
:

     Alright, I'm a rookie, never played "high low", and there's 
something I just don't understand: how can a "pig" hand
exist? I mean to ask, how can someone win both best hand and
worst hand at the same time (mutually exclusive...?)?

     Maybe you don't have to use the same five cards (out of seven)
for high and for low?

     Flame if you like, but this is how we rookies learn.

     - Joel
From: cantor@star.enet.dec.com (Dave Cantor)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: boston poker game?
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:15:43 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <1992Oct15.1524.5104@channel1>, "will sahlein"
<will.sahlein@channel1.com> writes...
>ANyone know of a poker game in the Boston area?

There are charity gaming nights around the Boston area almost every
Friday and Saturday night, but, to the best of my knowledge and belief,
poker is not allowed at those events by state law.

However, poker is allowed in New Hampshire.  If you're willing to
drive to Nashua, you can find poker at the Holiday Inn nearly
every Friday night 7:30 p.m. to 12:30 a.m., Saturday night, same
hours, and Sunday night 6 p.m. to midnight.   $2 admission fee.
New Hampshire state law limits each bet to a maximum of $1.  (Each
raise is a separate bet.)

(I have no financial interest in the endeavor, but I did work
there as a blackjack dealer at one time.)

Write me in private email if you want any more details.

-- --
 Dave C.                          cantor@star.enet.dec.com
 Digital Equipment Corp., Nashua, NH  03062, USA
  The views expressed herein are my own, except where attributed to 
  someone else.  They are neither the opinion of, nor the responsibility 
  of, Digital Equipment Corporation.
From: tony@reflex.Eng.Sun.COM (Tony Glenning)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Black jack "even" question:
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:48:28 GMT
Reply-To: tony@reflex.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: reflex.eng.sun.com

From memory, when I played in Tassie - both Launceston and Hobart - the rules were 
"normal", as Steve Jacobs describes: BJ pays 3:2, insurance 2:1. [Other Australian 
rules: DAS depends on Casino (usually no), Double on 9, 10, 11 only. 6-8 decks always,
splitting aces gets one card (how usual is this?), Resplitting allowed].

Robert, you may want to check that you have those odds the right way around, before a
horde of Rec.Gamblers descend on Tasmania in search of that additional 2.4% edge.
Or maybe this is the plan to boost Tasmania'a tourist industry!

Tony Glenning
From: empcomm@empserv.Corp.Sun.COM (Chet Anderson - Emp. Services)
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
Subject: Re: Poker: bet-declare-bet??
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:00:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: empserv.corp.sun.com

So what happens if *everyone* bets high and low, and no one
wins both?  Does the pot just carry over to the next hand?
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From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Hi-Lo Poker
Organization: Vanderbilt University 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:50:49 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21

A few days ago, someone posted a suggestion that even if a pig (two-way
declarer) does not win both ways, even though he is out of the pot, anyone he
beats one way is out that way.

But consider this six-hand showdown:
1  (H)  QQQ93
2 (H-L) AAA77 (h)
        7643A (l)
3  (L)  85432
4 (H-L) 666A4 (h)
        6432A (l)
5  (H)  JJ88K
6  (L)  J7542

The best high belongs to 2 and the best low to 4; neither can win because 
they went pig, but they beat everyone else, so no one can win!!


Andy Lipscomb
lipscoja@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Bitnet: lipscoja@vuctrvax)
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From: cheese@next05wor.wam.umd.edu (Jason Steinhorn)
Subject: Poker Books
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:05:38 GMT


I'll keep this short and to the point:

Can anyone suggest any good books for a beginner poker player?

Thanks,
Jason
Newsgroups: rec.gambling
From: jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Steven R Jacobs)
Subject: Re: Hi-Lo Poker
In-reply-to: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu's message of Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:50:49 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:53:24

In article <1992Oct15.195049.2578@news.vanderbilt.edu> LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu (Andy Lipscomb) writes:
>
> A few days ago, someone posted a suggestion that even if a pig (two-way
> declarer) does not win both ways, even though he is out of the pot, anyone he
> beats one way is out that way.
>
> But consider this six-hand showdown:
> 1  (H)  QQQ93
> 2 (H-L) AAA77 (h)
>         7643A (l)
> 3  (L)  85432
> 4 (H-L) 666A4 (h)
>         6432A (l)
> 5  (H)  JJ88K
> 6  (L)  J7542
>
> The best high belongs to 2 and the best low to 4; neither can win because 
> they went pig, but they beat everyone else, so no one can win!!

A hand that is eliminated doesn't beat anyone else.  After players 2
and 4 are eliminated, player 1 wins high and player 3 wins low.

--
Steve Jacobs  ({bellcore,hplabs,uunet}!utah-cs!jacobs, jacobs@cs.utah.edu)
"Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  I have K-10 offsuit...."
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