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From: tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization:  Something close to nothing, but different than the day before
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:53:08 GMT

palmerc@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (Christopher M. Palmer) writes:
>jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
>>keeneye@CS.ORST.EDU (Eileen F. Keeney) writes:
>>>There are over 200 phrases (I don't recall the exact number)
>>>"Math class is Hard" is one of those phrases, a few others are
>>What is wrong with her saying that?  Math class IS hard--for most people.
>>It makes Barbie EMPATHIZE with the majority of us who had/are having a
>>difficult time in math.  
>
>I think the problem with Barbie saying "Math class is hard" is that if
>you push the button again, she's likely to say "Lets go to the mall"
>or "Lets order pizza."  1/2 :-)

Heehee...

But seriously, from the first post to this most recent one, my reaction to
this whole great brouhaha is "Who gives a rip?" I don't see how this silly
doll in the hands of a daughter of mine is going to harm her any more than if
I was overly overprotective. More to the point, if this is 1 phrase that could 
come up out of 200+, what's the likelyhood that your child is going to get one 
of these "mentally scarring" (snort) dolls? I played with Barbies for most of
my young life, and I don't recall ever feeling like I needed to look like 
her, and I don't think having one that said that math was hard would have made
me dislike it any more than I already do. 

Lastly, if you buy into this, you have to admit to being yet another dumb
sheep led by the nose...and who would want to do that?

>Christopher M. Palmer 

   Tyger
-- 
      Kristen Kohlbecker    And I would choose to be with you
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From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: places to live in the USA
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:35:48 GMT
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School

Well, while I wouldn't go so far as to call it Heaven, I think that Onondaga
County, NY is a fairly nice place to live.  We live in the city of Syracuse
(home of Syracuse University, among other things) and I think that the
entire county just got up to its 14th or 15th murder of the year.  That's
what I like about this place...murders make the news...unlike the NYC
metropolitan area where I grew up.  Unless they were particularly grisly,
they were usually relegated to the middle of the paper somewhere.

The one problem you might have is the weather...we get a bit of snow here.
Summer is the two weeks when the ice skating is lousy.

But seriously folks, you may want to check out the Places Rated Almanac.  It
rates most of the major metropolitan areas in the country, and I'm pretty
sure that Syracuse isn't near the bottom.

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gbk@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (g.b.karlovsky)
Subject: Re: What happened to Barney?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:16:42 GMT




>In article <4570271@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com> janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus) write
>s:
>>>Uhmm, interesting.  Can you tell us why you don't like Barney?
>>
>>I agree that Barney is good entertainment for my kids; I have no
>>objection to them watching it.  My point was that *I* hate to watch it.
>>I can't stand watching those kids with smiles plastered on their faces 
>>and lip-synching.  They're a big bunch of hams.  So, unlike Sesame Street, 
>>which I can stand to watch with my kids and sometimes I find it 
>>entertaining, I would typically leave the room when Barney comes on.
>>
>Same here ...yuck seems real phoney to me.  But my nieces LOVE it and even
>my 9 month old baby loves it.  So does anybody know where to get Barney
>toys?
>
>diana

Boy do I agree with this thread...  in fact, I started to ask my husband to 
make sure he doesn't allow our 2 1/2 year old watch Barney and he pointed out
that just becuase I don't like it doesn't mean SHE shouldn't watch it...

Anyway, as for toys, we saw a whole bunch of Barney stuffed animals and 
puppets in J C Penneys in the children's department as well as the female
dinosaur (whose name I don't know).



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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: frenchs@forsan.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Games they play at 13 
Reply-To: frenchs@forsan.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:08:15 GMT


In response to article <199210052008.AA01084@tuna.wang.com>
by,                    JUTTA.LAGE@OFFICE.WANG.COM

Quiga (sp?) boards are dangerous. No matter what you think is behind them, evil spirits from another world or a wood carver from Taiwan. The dangerous element could be in the mind of the user. I'll explain.

Many years ago, as a teenager, I met a man at a church youth group. When he was a teenager he used to play with a quiga board. It was all good fun at first. eg
ask the board, shall we play hide-and-seek? etc. Apparently he started to get a bit deeper, trying to 'contact' spirits. Then things started to go wrong. Accidents started to happen. These accidents stated to coincide with his activities with the board until he became convinced that the board was controlling the events. I can't remeber exacty what brought the problem to a head but I believe it was the death of a Grandparent. He was toally convinced he had brought on the grandparent's death. 

He had to have a lot of help and treatment for his obsessiveness with the accidents. In the end, to try and help him, they held an 'excorsism' of sorts in which the board was burnt and prays said. It took a number of years for him to clear his mind of the problems. 

I am not trying to say that anyone how plays with a quiga board will turn into an insane person, just that in some people it could trigger problems.

Personally I do believe in good and evil, especially in the mind. I think that using a 'token' like a quiga board could focus the evil in the mind to some extent, which could then start to take over. 

Anyway after all that let us know how things go.

Simon
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Thrush
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:18:50 GMT

Well, I'm still a super-mom-cow, but Jordan (was three months old
yesterday) and I seem to have developed thrush.  I suspect the
antibiotics I took for a sinus infection 2 weeks ago is the culprit.
So, here are the questions:

1) how long til the pain goes away?
2) is Jordan's "fussy" nursing related?
3) how can I avoid a recurrence?

Any other input/ideas/info would be very welcome.  I'll collect e-mail
responses, and then post a summary if there's interest.  (of course,
we could keep this all posted, and at least we'd have some non-flames
to read :-)

BTW, Jordan's weight was 15lbs, 14oz--what a mega-baby!!!  
--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:36:18 GMT

In article <Bvv0tH.EGE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle) writes:
>
>Think about him for a change, and not about platitudes and vacuties.
>-- 
>
>Kiran Wagle                           <kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
 
 Why you termnator! How dare you. I used to have a macho attitude like
that. You hate women don't you. I knew it. Kirans bitter hatred for
women and how it rules his very existence. I think we should discuss
this in more detail. Kiran how long have you been abusing women?

 
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From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Remembering Dreams/Cute Things (2 yrs)
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:41:03 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:

>In article <1992Oct9.190826.24365@linus.mitre.org>, kvt@willow.mitre.org writes:
>> Has anyone else had a very sleepy 2 year old
>> wake up and express what you know had to be
>> a dream?  I have trouble remembering mine 
>> sometimes, I sure didn't expect my daughter
>> to remember her's yet. Is this common?
>
>Well, Daniel (age 3) has nightmares about his sister playing with
>his toys -- he's been known to wake up screaming, ``Abecca -- give
>me back my toys!''
>
>It's happened more than once, too....

Oh, that's funny!  Is he the older or the younger?  My five-year-old
talks a lot in his sleep. but it's pretty unintelligible.  But his
three-year-old brother can often be heard moaning things like, "Alan,
quit it!" or "No!  It's mine!"  I mean geez, doesn't the poor kid
get enough of it during the day?

		--  maggie
-- 
				--scott douglass
Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.
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From: hancock@Aero.org (Melody F. Hancock)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Wine sauce
Keywords: pregnancy, food, wine
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:28:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1bhvuaINNf4h
Distribution: na
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: lotus.aero.org

Oh No!  I hadn't even thought of this.  I was on a business
trip and had seafood in a white wine sauce.  I was in the
3rd month of pregnancy at the time.  Interesting enough, this
is one of my favorite dishes.  However, it didn't taste that
great so I only ate enough not to seem rude.  But I didn't 
even think of the wine!!!  So, now what?  I've already started
fantasizing birth defects!

Sigh, no matter how hard you try, things like this seem to
happen...

melody
hancock@aero.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: Midwife info/Food and Fluids in Labour
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:54:43 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.170406.957@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>
>How about it, anyone get hungry during labour?   Now, AFTERWARDS I was
>ravenous and the cafeteria was closed...
>
I ate just before transition.  I can't remember whether I was actually
hungry or not (I think so).  It was more like -- "I think I'm about to
go into transition, and I don't know how long it's going to take, so I'd
better eat NOW!"  I ate a little salad and some baked potatoes and some
beans.

Michele
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Daycare -- when to investigate?
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:28:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: nb.1992Oct7.162852.18262
Distribution: na
Organization: Rockwell International


It depends on the type of care you choose.  If you don't know what kind of
care you want then by all means look now.  If center based care is your
choice you will need waiting lists.  However if you are going to hire a 
live in or live out provider exclusively for your baby just put an add into
the paper about three weeks before you are ready to go back to work and 
the interview and call references with a vengance.  Those people want work
now and aren't willing to wait for a job for months.  Remember that if you
pick center based care you will need a backup plan for when the baby is 
sick (which will be much more often because of the exposure to other 
children especially when they start to crawl at about 6 mo.) because the
center will call and say X is sick come and get him/her.  If I had it to do
all over again I would look for a neighbor I knew and trusted who had kids
in school and liked babies and would take care of mine alone.  Babies are
a lot more work than you might think and the centers usually allow four 
babies to one adult which means that they get fed and changed usually at
some time near when they need it but other than that the women have no time.
I didn't want that for my daughter.

Good Luck,
We are all making it up as we go along...me included.

Karen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gela@robots.in-berlin.de (Angela Huestegge)
Subject: Re: Far apart in age
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 14:02:51 GMT

JUTTA.LAGE@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Jutta Lage") writes:

>RE: Far apart in age
>I am expecting my second child (at the age of 34)  in February. My daughter is
>13 years old. What are experiences with such a siblings relationsship? Anyone i
>n the same situation?

My daughter Nica is 12 years old and my son Anton is 20 months old now.
They really love each other. Nica held my hand during delivery and 
cut the umbilical cord (it was a homebirth), so she got a strong 
relationsship to Anton from his very first day on. 
On the other hand Anton's first word was "Nica", which makes his 
sister very proud.
But nevertheless during the first few months she had to deal with the
changed situation, like my husband and I had to do as well.
And as you know life isn't always that easy with a newborn child.  
Nica knew that we would have less time for her and excepted it, 
but was sad about it, too. I think I overcharged her in the beginning
for she seemed sooo big in relation to the baby. My husband and
I talked about it a lot and tried to keep some time of the day only 
for her. 
After a few months things got normal and we all learned how to deal with 
the new situation. Now Nica likes babysitting her brother. It is 
no big deal for her to put him to bed when we are out, as long as it 
isn't too often.

So my tip for you is to reserve time for your big daughter during the 
first months with the new child because
she will need you more than before. Talk with her about her feelings
and let her know that you will understand if she feels a bit jealous of
the baby. Some relatives seem to ignore older siblings when there
is a newborn. 
But maybe things will be quite different for you, because your
daughter is two years older than my daughter was when Anton was born.
I wish you all the best for pregnancy and an easy delivery.

Angela

-- 
Angela Huestegge                             gela@robots.in-berlin.de
Berlin Friedenau                           ..unido!fub!geminix!robots!gela
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Subject: Re: More Stain removal questions
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:25:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.004107.3152@cs.tulane.edu> js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann) writes:
> I just received my copy of the *One Step Ahead* catalog. It has a product
> in it called "Mary Ellen's Bye-Bye Baby Stains".
> 1) Does it work (it's expensive)
> 2) Can it get rid of stains that have been "set-in" by the dryer?
> 3) Does anything get rid of stains "set-in" by hte dryer?
>
>Kids clothes are too expensive today to throw-out because of stains.
>Your help is appreciated.

I have Mary Ellen's Baby Stain remover.  The one that works on whites
works  well.  It almost always removes the stains; even bad dryer-set
stains like chocolate.  However, it's for whites or colorfast colors
only.  It's like bleach in a bottle.  It also smells pretty toxic.

The other Mary Ellen stain remover for colors I have never had luck
with; even on fresh stains.  I usually resort to these removers when
Shout or Spray and Wash won't take them out, so these are usually
tough stains, but I thought the cleaner was for tough stains!

I don't know how much the baby stain removers cost from One Step, but
they cost about $4.50 a bottle from fabric stores around the area.  In
the S.F. bay area, House of Fabrics and New York Fabrics carry these
stain removers.

Here's a hint I haven't tried yet:

I read of a women that uses Breck shampoo for all her stains.  It's
cheap and she said that it removed all the stains she had.  I put
Breck shampoo on the grocery list and my husband came back with White
Rain.  "I wanted Breck!" I said.  He said, "White Rain was top-rated
in Consumer Reports."  "I don't want to use it on my hair." I said.
He's lived with me long enough; he didn't even ask.

So, I've been using the White Rain for stains and it does work, but I
can't say that it removes every stain.  I haven't tried it on
everything yet.  I did try it on a dish towel that was stained with
finger paint (that I had found nearly impossible to get out of
Rachel's clothes) and it took it out easily.

-- 
riggle@adobe.com
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:22:18 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Oct6.135847.24116@ll.mit.edu> yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>
>	Parents unite!  Keep your kids duely drugged and sedated.
>
>	Just don't complain when they become teenagers and continue
>	the habit.

No one is advocating drugging the kids. The point is any child allegedly
suffering from ADD needs a thorought work up since it is a heavily 
over diagnosed problem. Most cases of alleged ADD are found to be something
else on careful examination, including things like epilepsy, worms (yes,
they do exist), mitral valve stenosis, etc.


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: ftollef@fred.uswnvg.com (Franki Tollefson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Getting pregnant while nursing
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:50:14 GMT
Organization: US West NewVector, Inc., Bellevue, WA

In article <1992Oct8.164424.18082@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
>My mother weaned me at 9 months (considered early in those days)
>because she hadn't conceived and wanted a close spacing. It
>worked -- she carried my brother for ten months and we're 20
>months apart.
>
>Kate

*10 MONTHS?* Aaaarrrrggggghhhhhhhh..........
Don't say that.  :-) :-) .
Franki Tollefson
From: stuart@shuksan.boeing.com (Gary Stuart)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: UnderWater Babies - YES!!!!
Keywords: water, baby
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:49:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Boeing Co., MMST, Seattle, Wa.

I saw a posting from Tanya Herlick, asking about underwater births.

Many of the responses were very negative against it.
Here is the positive.

My wife and I have a 2 year old that used this technique.
We live in Seattle, and located a licensed midwife for
this purpose.  She has performed many underwater births.

She simple said that she would follow the pregnancy throughout
term, and as long as nothing strange turned up, it would
be fine to have it using this method.  If anything
questionable turned up, she would send us to a doctor.

We delivered (Yes, I know, my wife did all the hard part,
no flames please) the baby at home, in an inflatible
hot tub.  It was wonderful!!  My wife has back trouble
and the warm water relaxed her and took much of the 
stress off her spine.  We felt that the warm water and
dim room would be a much better way for Ryan to enter 
the world.

Personally, we felt that the home birth was much safer
for both the mother and the child than the 'typical'
hospital birth.  However, now that many hospitals are
allowing births approaching the 'water baby' concept,
there is not as much difference.  But we saw no point
in exposing our newborn to the dangers of the hospital
environment.

The soviets have been performing underwater births for
a long time now and there are books and actual birth
videos available on the subject.  I don't have the
titles with me today, but if anyone requests it, they
can be located.

Finally, for technical clarity, Ryan was not actually
born underwater.  His large head got stuck and mom
had to be removed from the hot tub for an episiotomy
(sp?), but Kim & Ryan got back into the tub immediately
afterwards.  The cord was not cut until several minutes
later.  Kim was very happy with the birth experience, 
got sewed up, and then climbed into her own bed and went 
to sleep with Ryan.  She said it is definitely what she
intends for the next, if we have one.

So yes!  We think its the only way to have a child
(good health allowing, of coarse!)!!
-- 
      Gary Stuart                      The quality of life is far, far 
      Boeing Aerospace Co.             better than the quantity of life.
      (206) 657-6321
      uunet!bcstec!shuksan!stuart
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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject:  Flu Shot while Pregnant???
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 13:11:18 GMT


  Does someone know if it is okay to get a flu shot
  made with chicken egg while pregnant?  I have until
  tomorrow (Friday) to get a free flu shot at work.
  I'm asking the net since neither my husband nor
  midwife could give me a definitive answer.  They
  both said they didn't know and therefore I shouldn't
  get it.  I do not have any allergy to chicken egg
  and had one last year.  I also have an asthmatic
  condition which is why I want to get the flu shot
  to avoid gettting the flu and exacerbating any
  asthma I may have.  Please get back to me soon.

  Thanks a lot,  Clare

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