HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: scottb@netcom.com (L'etat des mortes)
Subject: Re: Al, Commercial manipulation, and attitude
Keywords: Al manipulation indutrial music pighead
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:02:50 GMT

In article <Bxs6tw.3Es@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rmartin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Richard Martin) writes:
>
>Is it such a shock that Al did 'With Sympathy'  He even toured with
>Culture Club to promote it. Ever since the beginning he has admitted to
>trying to manipulate the record industry and the general public for money
>to do 'his own thang'.  

I think around that time Al had more pressure from his label than anything
else.  I remember reading articles (interviews) with Al about the whole
affair.  He did start out techno, but had to keep writing in that vein
even though he wanted out due to contractual agreements.  And don't think
he saw much money out of those "hits" of his, because he didn't. 
His label (don't recall which) had him in a pretty exclusive and tight
contract.  Why do you think he did RevCo after (old) Ministry?

>When techno was in vogue, he was techno.  Make some cash off the masses
>that would follow him.  

See above

Not intended to flame, just inform.  

Al seems to have a tendency to exaggerate and contradict himself in
interviews (probably on purpose), but I really do believe Al got Royally
screwed by his old label.



Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: mag@wam.umd.edu (Spoony G)
Subject: Re: NITZER EBB QUESTI0N...
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:42:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.131919.6549@gw.wmich.edu> x92reed5@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>COULD SOMEBODY SEND ME A LIST OF NITZER EBB CD TITLES?
>
>THE STORES NEAR ME ONLY CARRY 2; SHOWTIME & EBBHEAD.
>
>
>WHAT ARE SOME OTHERS?
>
     -- "That Total Age" is pretty good, and it shouldn't be too hard
to find...

     -- Spoony G --

>
>
>
>ERIC...
From: conner@qucis.queensu.ca (Mike Conner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Nin
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:19:02 GMT
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston

I guess you have to see the movie to understand why I was surprised.  There
was NO "watch-how-I-dance-funny" club scene when the music was playing.  It
infact was heard when the scene showed a merry-go-round pan.  Not the 
typical place for _Head like a hole_!  That's why I was surprised.

-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: psun@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter C. Sun)
Subject: Looking for >Recommendations< for Ministry
Keywords: Ministry
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 15:37:39 GMT

I'm just getting back into the industrial music scene.
I bought a few CD's here and there and have noticed that this type of music
is a very risky area with regards to good albums.

So far all I've got is the 12" singles CD from Ministry.
Needless to say that _Everyday is Halloween_ is a classic from every view.
I prefer music that is not boring to listen to; A nice beat, some thought
proviking lyrics, and an interresting tune are some basic ingredients for
a good song in my opinion.

Will anybody come forward and express his/her personal recommendations for
my next album purchase for Ministry?

Perhaps even go as far as ranking thier 'most favorite' to 'least favorite'
albums.

Thanx.

Pete

email:	psun@ecn.purdue.edu	or	psun@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: dbl50872@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Brian Lake)
Subject: What ever happened to...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:24:03 GMT

       

       Mussilini Headkick

       Crunch-o-Matic

       NIN 'Fixed'

       Al Jourgenson (Where's this years supergroup or has he been too busy    
	  touring)

       The New Kids on the Block (did the driver of their tour bus finally run
	  them over)

       Quiet evenings at home        

       Apple // software

       and

       Has anyone seen Eric Mimbiole (In NYC), or Rich Koestecke (at KU)?

- Danl

"Leave me out of your holy war!"  -MH

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: lfiddick@nyx.cs.du.edu (larry fiddick)
Subject: Re: soleilmoon
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 00:05:25 GMT

synergy@hardy.u.washington.edu (The Bob next door) writes:

>Soleilmoon is (or was anyway) run through Ooze records of Portland
>through which you can also get a monthly listing of new releases.
>I have found their listing to be very complete and of great use.
>(their mail order and special order depts have NEVER let me down!)
>Here I was about to give you their store address, but I seem to 
>have lost it!  Sigh...  Well, call 1-503-555-1212 and they
>should be able to give you the store phone and fax numbers.


soleilmoon isn't run from the ooze any more

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: rec.music.noise??????
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: just checking
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 04:05:45 GMT

In article <By01Gs.A3t@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> sharpmn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (
atthew N. Sharp) writes:
>In article <1992Nov20.044435.29834@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.d
.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>> I propose rec.music.silence. Either we can post endlessly about Crumb'

>>4'33" or just not post there at all. 
>
>
>Crumb's 4'33" ?
>
>Is this some sort of variant on Cage's piece by the same title,
>or just an error?
>
>
>
>Legitimately curious,
>M a t t h e w n. S h a r p
>matthew@scotch.cc.guinness.edu


 An egregious error on my part... Oops... Crumb, Cage, Schoennberg... The
names just swim in my head like their works do... ( I love Webern's Sechs
Bagatellen...) Is there a rec.music.20thcentury.avant-garde???

St. Anthony

--
          / N \   O         Laszt uns're Seelen vom Schimmel befreien!
         |   \ |  || Ph     Laszt uns're Schaedel vom Pilzbewuchs befreien!
         |   | |_O-C-C-OH     Im Aas sielen! (correct my German!)
          \ / /      Ph               aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: koppi@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jeffrey Alan Koppi)
Subject: KMFDM
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:47:18 GMT



What does KMFDM stand for...if it's an acronym.

Jeff Koppi
koppi@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu
From: rsolomon@stein.u.washington.edu (robert solomon)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: soleilmoon
Keywords: soleilmoon
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:54:55 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Soleilmoon's address (for the person requesting it awhile back....) is 
   Soleilmoon Recordings
   po box 83296
   portland oregon 97283

the new catalog has somethings of interest, they (soleilmoon) will be
releasing the new  Grey Area titles (some of anyway) starting with
the Hafler Trio's "a thirsty fish" in november. currently, though, they
carry import items for a fairly good price (the individual SPK disks
are $16 as are the dome disks....).

robert
From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Commerciality
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:35:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: heurikon.1867
Reply-To: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI

Miles Egan parts the curtain of the usual invective and hijinks and
gives us a little GP.-O. It bears repeating:

>"Each breakthrough is kidnapped from thee youth/radical culture 
>and is emasculated, mutated and rendered impotent. Only then 
>is it returned to us packaged and harmless to them, as 
>commercial music, token rebellion and obvious yet useless 
>anti-social behaviour that not only ensures thee continued 
>existence of their omnipotence butter also generates increased 
>incoum for their coumfort, security and future research into 
>control."

What a charming accent. The only irony seems to me to lie in the man's
marvelous committment to that old notion of "progress" and the implication
the uses and interest of "youth/radical culture" [if I read Simon Frith
right, that notion may not translate well to non-European societies]
are not themselves subject to precisely the same types of manipulations,
with the only difference being some trivial feature such as the number 
of nipple piercings of the person in power. Or, to quote the decidedly
unindustrial Pete Townsend, "meet the new boss/same as the old boss."
It's still not clear to my why the net's "industrial youth" still cling
to a notion rammed up the anterior end of the gullet of the culture of
control as "the cutting edge." Why make oneself that easy a target for
co-optation by announcing it? You want to alienate an audience? Write
12-tone string quartets (if done well, it'll alienate *everyone.*)....

But coum on - "breakthrough?"
--
-The world exhausts everything except my eyes/because it is a long walk to the
world/begun before I was born. In the far corner/the dead woman bows off stage
The television/crumples into a white dot as the last/train of the evening - my
train, is announced/I lived in one place. I want to die in another 608-828-3385
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: houser@rtsg.mot.com (Elizabeth J. Houser)
Subject: Re: Nin
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:33:09 GMT

>
>JAA>don't  see  what all the fuss is about. I just bought a  really great
>JAA>yamaha keyboard, and if anyone can tell me how to get in touch with WAX
>JAA>STACKS, I'd really like it, because I want to get signed. I'm going to call
>
>     OH GOD.  That's WAX TRACKS.  And throw out your Yamaha and go

Try again.

It's Wax Trax.
From: x88phipps2@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Stolen and Contamerbated Songs
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:39:28 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

                              
    You know, I don't want to bum out any of you who got the coil 
(stolen & contamerbated) thinking that it was ultra-limited mail
order only an what not, but there is a wholesaler in chicago, 
(ppppssssttt   it's CARGO) who has a distribution deal for these
and they have plenty.  I've ordered a few for the store where I work...
I'm sure your local indie record shop could find you some.

Y

ps now don't go calling cargo to order one for yourself!
they're wholesalers   WHOLESALERS!  Go to your local shop, they
can always use the business!
_______________________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: rec.music.noise??????
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: just checking
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 04:11:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.184303.18254@netcom.com> lemay@netcom.com (Laura Le
ay) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov20.044435.29834@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs
du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>> > I propose rec.music.silence. Either we can post endlessly about Crum
's
>> >4'33" or just not post there at all. 
>
>
>BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!
>
>Crumb's 4'33'"?  Is that the one where they have a strange voice
>saying "Don't mean sheeeeit" repeatedly for the length of the piece?
>
>Snort.  Snicker.  Grin.
>
>
>This has not been a flame.  If you think its a flame, you're far too
>sensitive.
>
  Heck, even if it _had_ been a flame, I wouldn't have noticed. I'm
wearing my asbestos underwear. (If you think _wool_ scratches...)
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's called Cage Crumb by accident before...
 Now Cage hums 4'33" all the time, rest his soul...
 I have a blank tape-loop exactly 4 minutes and 30 seconds long as a
tribute to Cage... (I wish I actually did...)


St. Anthony

>
>-- 
>*********************************************************
>Laura Lemay                              lemay@netcom.com
>no clever three-word sig yet
>*********************************************************



--
          / N \   O         Laszt uns're Seelen vom Schimmel befreien!
         |   \ |  || Ph     Laszt uns're Schaedel vom Pilzbewuchs befreien!
         |   | |_O-C-C-OH     Im Aas sielen! (correct my German!)
          \ / /      Ph               aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc,ba.music
From: dkletter@adobe.com (SUGAR in their vitamins?)
Subject: Re: Vacuum Tree Head show review (Brave New World, SF)
Organization: Flying Esophagus Productions
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:09:39 GMT

just a quick correction to my original post going over the past
show... TOM is the drummer from the Molecules. where i got the
name Steve from, i have no idea. brain farts? sorry for the confusion.

hasta.

-- 
Yes.  Beautiful, wonderful nature.  Hear it sing to us: *snap*  Yes.  natURE.
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: novick@spot.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Novick)
Subject: drink kool-aid
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:42:20 GMT

I hope everyone has a healthy glass of kool-aid today
in rememberance of Jim Jones and the 912 people
who died at Jonestown, Guyana on this day in 1978.
I have heard of people re-living the experience at
Jonestown parties where everclear kool-aid is consumed
by all and then, one-by-one, they lie down for a long
restful nap.  Sound like fun?

[this is totally unrelated to rec.m.i but I thought you
might be interested]
-a.n.

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: novick@spot.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Novick)
Subject: guitarist for Ministry at lollapaloser???
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:40:41 GMT

Does anyone know who this was?
(not the lnog black haired guy, but the short scrappy guy
who looks like Steve Albini)

Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: torben@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Random Tox)
Subject: Re: Nin
Organization: The Durex Blender Corporation
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:17:20 GMT

In article <Bxz8vo.G6w@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> sharpmn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew N. Sharp) writes:
>
>This, from someone who calls themself:
>>	- Random Tox
>
>Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
>				-Al, from "Happy Days"

	I refuse to reply or even comment on such a blatant insult to the
name my father gave me. I will not even so much as grace this so-called
"Matthew N. Sharp" with a reply. None at all.

	As a sidenote to this non-reply: As much as I have the urge on
occasion to beat Herr Sharp with a flaccid turkey for his aggravating
posts, I salute him for being one of the few stimulating people here. 

	And I do so miss DETH HEDD!11!!1 

	Yes.

      - Random Tox
	CEO Durex Blender Corporation
	Buy a fuckin' blender



-- 
(C) 1992 by Random Tox and The Durex Blender Corporation
All Rights Available at the Door, No Reservations.

	"If this is the place for you, then herd."
From: MSZABO@kentvm.kent.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: cassandra complex (Was: re: ...whinings...)
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:47:20 GMT
Organization: Kent State Univ.

OK, Rune.   You want something _I_ think is better than NIN?
Have you (or anyone else) ever heard of a Belgian band called
Cassandra Complex?
They have been around for a long time now, and must have about 10 records.
Many of the latest releases have been distributed by Play it Again Sam (USA)
but since they went down, I don't know if any other label has picked them up.
 
The singer, Rodney Orpheus, has a voice you can't soon forget.  Check it out.
<<POINT>>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Meat Beat Manifesto?
From: athomas@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Andrew Edward Thomas)
Date: 20 Nov 92 02:56:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS

	Has anyone attended a MBM/Orbital/Ultramarine show yet?
Can anyone even confirm that MBM is actually in the country?

Late.......

AET
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: edklein@well.sf.ca.us (Ed Klein)
Subject: Re: Meat Beat Manifesto?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 21:47:50 GMT

In article <2B0C53D7.27422@ics.uci.edu> athomas@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Andrew Edward Thomas) writes:
>	Has anyone attended a MBM/Orbital/Ultramarine show yet?
>Can anyone even confirm that MBM is actually in the country?
>
>Late.......
>
>AET



Yes, I can confirm that MBM is here, because I went to their show last night
(11/19/92) at the Bridge in San Francisco.  In fact, my cable music video
program, called POST!, videotaped much of the show for a future episode.
(Also in attendance was Dave Kendall and the "120 Minutes" crew; their
segments will air on MTV this Sunday.)  Meat Beat Manifesto and Ultramarine
put on pretty energetic (though obviously canned) performances on the main
stage; Orbital, on the other hand, cranked out nearly an hour of
pre-recorded, uninspired rave music from a corner at the back of the hall.

--------
Ed Klein
edklein@well.sf.ca.us
From: Mark.Wagner@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Mark Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: front line assembbly
Date: 14 Nov 92 21:39:02 GMT

Does anybody have either

(a) the lyrcis to any fla song, or

(b) a list of sample sources?

The only samples for which I know the sources are from toxic and
mutiliate, which come from the movie "brain dead" (good movie).

mark wagner

wagner@macc.wisc.edu
___
 X OLX 2.2 X Chicken heads are the chief food of captive alligators.

 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
From: cmoore@lab9.smcm.edu (Christopher Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Samples in Ministry's "So What"
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:34:41 GMT

In article <9211161113@ltrnativ.UUCP> adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam  
Mottershead) writes:
> Thanks to all those who sent me the lyrics to 'So What' and 'Thieves'.
> 
> But I disagree with the interpretation of a sample in 'So What'.  The  
various
> lyrics I received quoted one sample as saying "kill for the thrill", but  
after
> listening to the sample several times it sounds more like "kill or be  
killed".
> 
> Anybody agree/disagree?
> 
> 
> --
> Adam Mottershead                      |
> 39 Havelock Drive                     |
> Brampton, Ontario                     |              
adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP
> Canada, L6W 4K8                       |
> +1 416 454 8597                       |
>                                                                            
--
 some time when i was home i randomly turned on a movie called"the rosary  
murders".  the first line of dialogue i heard was "kill or be killed",  
which is the exact sample in ministry's "so what?"
c.morpheus
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: sharpmn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew N. Sharp)
Subject: Re: rec.music.noise??????
Keywords: just checking
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 05:19:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.044435.29834@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
> I propose rec.music.silence. Either we can post endlessly about Crumb's
>4'33" or just not post there at all. 


Crumb's 4'33" ?

Is this some sort of variant on Cage's piece by the same title,
or just an error?



Legitimately curious,
M a t t h e w n. S h a r p
matthew@scotch.cc.guinness.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Geeks and Illict Substances dont Mix
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 20 Nov 1992 03:52:54 GMT
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.wcc.govt.nz


In article <Bxz8Fv.DvK@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, sharpmn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Matthew N. Sharp) writes:
>In article <1efo3uINNl1@golem.wcc.govt.nz> meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>
>>Maybe the world would become a better place if everyone on rmi
>>smoked pot....
>>
>
>Yeah.  A lot better.  Just imagine, THOUSANDS of clueless
>geeks who would be even _more_ unable to express what little
>thoughts they have to begin with.
>
>Matthew Neill Sharp
>matthew@symphony.cc.purdue.edu

Yea like wow geeks like you, come to think of it, well
no thanks...

--
Red

In the STATES they've set up a deprogramming centre where you can take
your derranged punk child or metal kid. And how you deal with it when
they start getting posters or acting strange. If you start listening
to this music they've got centres where they take you to get deprogrammed.
That'll happen in New Zealand you know.

Brett (skinhead) Toxic Avengers, New Plymouth.
From Bill Paynes book - Staunch


Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: scupin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (SCUPIN  JONATHAN RAYMOND)
Subject: rec.music.noise??????
Keywords: fuck that shit
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:13:10 GMT

What's this?  Are a few unmentionable(only because I didn't see their names)
people considering splitting off a group for others who consider musik by
say, Einstuerzende Nuebauten, beautiful? Me-no-thinks this is a very 
reasonable idea.
Perhaps if we coalition(or some other governmental word, like lobby) for a
couple of new groups, we can get "rec.music.minds.closed" or 
"rec.music.standard" as some dandy topics for those unmentionable sorts to 
gather.  
Opinions????

coprophiliac
scupin@rintintin.colorado.edu
shadowshadowshadowWhy?
From: gfcardinale@ucdavis.edu (Greg Cardinale)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re:  Who is William S. Burrows
Date: 16 Nov 92 07:56:27 GMT
Organization: UC Davis

I believe he's also a murderer.

Greg C.
gfcardinale@ucdavis.edu
From: stevie@soda.berkeley.edu (Steven Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: nin hidden tracks
Date: 17 Nov 1992 10:19:44 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov15.195117.2457@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> skuff@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>program tracks numbered 98 and 99 on your cd player while listening to the nine
>inch nails release broken two hidden songs lie within
>
>

One of which is a cover of an Adam and the Ants song...heh,
brilliant...

Steven.

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