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From: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Olympics predictions
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:10:20 GMT
Reply-To: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Organization: BT Labs


Just to set the cat amongst the pigeons here are a few predictions 
for the Olympics:

All GBR competitors unless otherwise stated

100m
2. Linford Christie	sub 10
I suspect a Nigerian might be up there and it may be the first
time in ages that an American (USA) isn't in the top three

200m
3. John Regis		sub 20.5
4. Linford Christie	sub 20.5

400m
4. Roger Black		sub 44.5

I suspect the 800/1500 will be won
by an African, one briton will be in
each of the finals but only as an
also ran.

5000/10000 Choose your Kenyan!

110H
1. Colin Jackson	sub 13.1
he's fired - the lane draw could be
crucial though

400mH
4. Kris Akabusi		sub 48.5
but not enough - he could surprise
though!

3000s/c
Again a Kenyan to win but Tom Buckner and Tom
Hanlon could be in the top 6

LJ
1. Carl Lewis (USA)		8.60+
nothing else to distract - don't think
it'll be a WR though

JT
1. Backley	87m+
last year's WC will be in his mind

HJ
One of the brits in the top 3!

4x100m
1. USA
2. Nigeria
3. France
4. GBR

4x400m
1. GBR
2. Germany
(USA drop baton in semis/end up bickering over who is
going to do what and all fall out)


Women

No brits in the 100/200 finals

3000m
3. Yvonne Murray
Maybe better - depends how she copes with the
heat

10,000m
2. Liz McColghan
Difficult to predict, will she be able to grind 'em
out, will the peleton catch her, has she overtrained?
It'll be worth watching though.

JT
3. Tessa Sanderson	63m+

400H
1. Farmer-Patrick (USA?)
2. Sally Gunnell

MAR
10. Sally Eastall	2:29
Pure Guess: saw her run a hilly hot
6.1km miles in 20:30 a month ago


As I said - cat among the pigeons.....

JP

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UK +44 473 646651	BT Labs,Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH IP5 7RE, UK
From: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 1600m relay?
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:45:53 GMT
Reply-To: jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope)
Organization: BT


Just in case you didn't know, on Friday,
John Regis ran the third fastest 300m ever (?31.7?) at Gateshead (and it was
a very windy day). So that's two of our four in fine shape. Our second string
400m runner also ran faster than Roger Black in a meeting at Crystal Palace a couple of weeks back.

The last day could be interesting....

(Pity I'm stuck in the Himalaya then :-( )

JP

jpope@axion.bt.co.uk 	Software Technology, Requirements, G24 SSTF
UK +44 473 646651	BT Labs,Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH IP5 7RE, UK
From: bentkopj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Paul J. Bentkowski)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: FAQ request...
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Could someone please send me the FAQ or tell me where I can obtain
it.

thanks.
Paul.
From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Fluid replacement methods
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:22:32 GMT
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

<1992Jul21.230701.5550@nrao.edu>
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In article <1992Jul21.230701.5550@nrao.edu> trector@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu
(Travis Rector) writes:
>
>I've found that I can't run much farther than 7-8 miles in the heat before
>getting seriously dehydrated, so I carry a water bottle on longer runs.
>I drink Gatorade after running, but it seriously cramps my stomach if I drink
>it while running.  Dog, the thought of drinking a Diet Pepsi after a run
>makes me ill.  How can people put that stuff in their body?  After a hard
>workout like that, your body DESERVES better.  That's my personal opinion,
>but after a race once, I drank a Coke and almost threw up from the syrupy
>taste and carbonation.  There is no nutritional value of a Diet Pepsi that
>I'm aware of (at least a normal soda will give you a gycogen boost.)
>
>I'd be interested in hearing a defense of Diet Pepsi.  Anyone?

Nah, not from me.  Caffeine dehydrates the body and irritates the bladder,
and Diet Pepsi is caffeinated.  I find the dehydrating effects of Diet
Pepsi after a run similar to drinking beer after a run. 


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From: hawkes@mips.com (John Hawkes)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Olympics
Date: 28 Jul 1992 21:07:57 GMT
Organization: Mips Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: winchester.mips.com

In article <ehmer-220792154306@mac17.beards-art-cc.swarthmore.edu> ehmer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Larry Ehmer) writes:
>Any more news on whether or not Patti Sue Plumer will run the 1500m at
>Barcelona.  Immediately after the Trials she was considering/fairly certain
>to step aside and let the fourth place finisher, Mary Slaney, get another
>shot at the Olympics.  I haven't heard anything since then, but I believe
>Slaney has either been sick or a bit injured and might not be able to race
>anyway.

As of a few days ago, Plumer was still planning on both events.  According to 
the local paper (and Plumer is a local), Plumer had given only slight
consideration right after the Trials to running just the 3000, but felt that
she could physically handle both and that it was an opportunity she didn't
want to miss.  Plumer talked about the 1500 Trials finals, with Slaney going
out to an early lead and fading.  Driving down the home stretch, Plumer related
how Slaney was in fourth and slipping, and then momentarily looked over her 
shoulder to see where the fifth place runner was.  "That was a Kodak moment," 
said Plumer, as it spoke volumes about where Slaney's head was at.  

-- 

John Hawkes
hawkes@mips.com  OR  {ames,decwrl}!mips!hawkes        (408-524-8066)
MIPS Computer Systems, 928 Arques Ave., M/S 1-03, Sunnyvale CA 94088
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.running
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:29:13 -0400 
From: Pomona Anupol Valero <pv0b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Running Down Hills

Hi there,

I was wondering if anyone would be so kind to give me some tips on running
down very steep hills.  I don't intentionally run _down_ hills, my initial
goal was to run UP them.  Then I realized that I have to go back down them
at some point.  :/

Anyway, what I see as my biggest problem is fear of tripping and falling, take
a step in the wrong place and kill and ankle.  So when I run down, I tend to
take it very easy...then I feel like I'm exerting more energy than I should
in slowing myself down.  I also feel the pressure that's being placed on my
knees by slowing down.  Before the summer, I had an experienced running partner
who seemed to take pleasure in running down hills and made it look so easy.
So he would fly down the hills and then wait for me at the bottom.

So how do I convince myself that I won't wind up hurting myself by letting
gravity help me in running?

Thanks,
Pomona Valero

PS  BTW, I have this same problem with skiing...I'm afraid to go too fast so
I tend to use a lot of energy to slow myself down a bit.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: rkc@Cadence.COM (Roger Cleghorn)
Subject: Looking for Fall Marathon
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:27:59 GMT

I'm looking for an enjoyable fall marathon in the New England area. After
running for three years, I think that I'm finally ready for my first marathon.
I'd like to run one that is fun (lots of crowd/runner support) and also
not too difficult. My goal is to do well enough to qualify for Boston
next spring. Any suggestions? Either reply via net or mail at rkc@cadence.com.
From: JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: re: Olympic predictions
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:36:19 GMT

I like some of your picks for the Olympics but I tend to have
a different view a some things.
100m
    1. Leroy Burell   9.80 (I may be crazy predicting that time)
    2. Dennis Mitchell
    3. Davidson Enznwa (The Nigerian, I saw him run at the NAIA nation meet
                        late may, he's awesome and has the 3rd fastest time)

200m
    1.  Micheal Johnson
    3.  Davidson Enznwa (sp?)

400m
    2.  Quicy Watts
    3.  Steve Lewis

400mH
    3.  Danny Everett

Longjump
    1.  Mike Powell (with a world record jump)

I have no other predictions to make simply because I have not found any more
info on the other events.

Paul Garlitz
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: pfz@sei.cmu.edu (Paul Zarrella)
Subject: Re:  NY Marathon alternative?
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:17:42 GMT

In article <9207281231.AA17181@TIS.COM> sas@TIS.COM writes:
>jjames@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au writes:
>>If anyone knows of a marathon on the same weekend as New York (1st
>>of November) on the US East Coast, please(!) forward the relevant
>>information.
>
>Try the US Marie Corps Marathon in Washing DC.  It is the same weekend
>as NY, and attracts around 7 to 10,000 runners.  I'm not sure who you
>should contact, but check in a Runner's World marathon edition, if you
>can get a copy down under.

I'm sure that this will be just one of many replies, but the Marine
Corps Marathon is October 25 this year; not November 1...

The phone number for contact info is 703/640-2225...

-- Paul
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Running Down Hills
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:22:32 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


 Running crosscountry downhill is very much a genetic predisposition.

 Case in point:

 A former girlfriend of mine was not able to keep up with me under normal
conditions. When we went camping/hiking and had some fast descents to make
over jagged terrain, she would fly down effortlessly. I could never keep up
with her. I also usually sprained my ankle if I tried to.

 On normal, paved roads, it helps to remain very relaxed and use a higher
knee lift. This allows more time between foot strike and increases speed
_and_ comfort.

 ttyl

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From: gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Death of Ron Daws
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:46:18 GMT

The Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported this morning that Ron Daws, 1968
Olympic marathoner, has died of an apparent heart attack at age 55.

It was apparently quite a surprise to friends&family as he has continued
participating in various endurance sports and seemed fit.

-- 
Gordon K. Chace
Control Data Systems, Inc.   phone (612) 482-6524   fax 482-2791
email gkc@udev.cdc.com
RISC: Really Invented on the Sixty-six-hundred by CDC
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: dabney@pyramid.unr.edu (Robert Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Knee Pains
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:04:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science

There have been several  posts lately about mysterious knee pains.  I had 
a pain similar to what was described in those posts that seemed to occur 
only when I ran.  I believe what caused those pains was two non-running 
habits:  (1) Crossing my legs so that the crossing leg pushed the painful 
knee to the inside, and (2) Putting the foot of the hurt leg on a desk, 
for example, while sitting with the knee unsupported.  When I quit doing 
these two things and waited a week or so for the knee to heal, the pain 
went away and has not returned although I do feel a twinge now and then if I go 
back to those old habits.
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Running Down Hills
Date: 24 Jul 92 17:38:34 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


 Try finding a smooth, safe one mile downhill. Warm up fully. Then, throwing
all caution to the wind, run it as fast as you can. Time yourself. You'll be
so impressed with how fast you ran that you'll love downhills for ever after.

 I thnk it's a good idea but maybe you should consult with a certified coach
type before you listen to me!

ttyl;paul

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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: preston@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Preston Briggs)
Subject: Re: To wear a shirt or not?
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:46:13 GMT

krasnor@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Carl Krasnor) writes:

>To summarize, in the heat, runners should do everything possible to
>FACILITATE evaporation of perspiration from the skin and this will
>MINIMIZE the rate of dehydration!!!!!

To simplify, say that runners should do everything possible to
facilitate evaporation of perspiration, thus achieving best cooling.

As an orthogonal issue, runners should also be sure to drink enough
fluids.

Preston Briggs
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel)
Subject: Re: Former Olympian Ron Daws dies at 55
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:35:16 GMT
Summary: Please post more info as you get it

In article <1992Jul29.074942.26930@walter.cray.com> cpk@sequoia.cray.com (Chris Kruell) writes:
>1968 US Olympic marathoner Ron Daws died yesterday of a heart
>attack at age 55....

Thanks  for the information.
I heard the news on the radio today here in New Jersey and was Shocked.

I knew and ran with Ron back in the 70's in St. Paul.
He was the epitome of a tough endurance athlete.
I remember him saying he'd never watch the  Super Bowl on TV
when he could use the time instead as a participant by going
out on a easy little 17 mile run in the snowy and cold winter.

This hits home much more than the Jim Fix death,
especially since I myself am now 50 and still consider myself
immune to heart problems.

Please convey any more info to the new as it is comes out.

Thanks,
    John Schwebel
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: trector@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Travis Rector)
Subject: Re: Fluid replacement methods
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Tucson Az.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:07:01 GMT

In article <92202.134518AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET> <AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>
>First of all, I am in beautiful, HOT, Arizona (it was already 100 degrees at
>9:00 am today). Myself and 3 others run 5 or 6 days a week right around the
>noon hour (just to make sure it is hot)...
>
> <text deleted> 
>
>My question for you all relates to the drinking of fluids after a run. For us,
>it's typically a 5 miler (or up to 8 miles) at a leisurely 8 minute/mile pace.
>We don't run much faster in the cooler weather either. By the time we are
>finished, we are a bit dehydrated. 2 guys rely on drinking diet pepsi, 1 drinks
>10-K, and i drink water. I'm wondering if the fluid replacement drinks are
>really better or if water is sufficient. I've read lots of articles on either
>side of the issue but I prefer to hear comments based on ACTUAL experiences.

Amazing!  People as crazy (or stupid) as me!  I'm in Tucson right now, and
I've taken a fondness to heat training.  I like to run around 4:00 when the
temperature peaks.  It's amazing how much faster you can run in cool temps
after training in 110 degree heat.  I like the feel of my burning flesh...

I've found that I can't run much farther than 7-8 miles in the heat before
getting seriously dehydrated, so I carry a water bottle on longer runs.
I drink Gatorade after running, but it seriously cramps my stomach if I drink
it while running.  Dog, the thought of drinking a Diet Pepsi after a run
makes me ill.  How can people put that stuff in their body?  After a hard
workout like that, your body DESERVES better.  That's my personal opinion,
but after a race once, I drank a Coke and almost threw up from the syrupy
taste and carbonation.  There is no nutritional value of a Diet Pepsi that
I'm aware of (at least a normal soda will give you a gycogen boost.)

I'd be interested in hearing a defense of Diet Pepsi.  Anyone?

"Hand of Doom"
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Fat metabolism
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:18:03 GMT



	I have a question.  After about 15-20 minutes of aerobic
exercise, the body starts to metabolize fat at an accelerated rate.
That is, it tends to consume fat for energy more than it consumes
carbohydrates or proteins.  According to my most recent info, this
accelerated fat metabolism lasts for at least an hour after working out,
and perhaps up to 4-5 hours.  

	Does anyone have some more specific info?  That is, does anyone
have a better idea of how long fat metabolism will last after walking,
running, etc?  I'd like to know, because I'd like to keep my fat 
burning throughout a large part of the day.
 
-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
From: reider@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Marc Reider)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Olympics predictions
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:39:56 GMT
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

In article <1992Jul23.142320.21341@midway.uchicago.edu> mc21@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.111020@axion.bt.co.uk> jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope) writes:
>>4x400m
>>1. GBR
>>2. Germany
>>(USA drop baton in semis/end up bickering over who is
>>going to do what and all fall out)
>
>But this, on the other hand, probably reflects the facts more than any 
>country loyalty.

  In the 4x400 semis the US could drop the baton twice and still make it
into the top 4 and advance to the final, and it's pretty hard to drop a
baton on a 4x400.  Especially since all of the US runners have run a ton
of 4x400's in their collegiate careers.

  I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen in the 4x100.  We did it in
88, the US women have done it a couple times.  Hopefully they can get
the stick around the track and show a US team can win without Lewis on
the anchor leg.

	Marc Reider
	reider@math.ucla.edu
From: gkc@freddie.udev.cdc.com (gordon k chace x2367)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: TV sched for women's Oly marathon?
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:44:02 GMT

Does anybody know the broadcast schedule for the women's Olympic marathon?
And will it be shown contiguously, or broken up and spread around with
fragments of other events?

I know the date is Saturday August 1, but not the time of broadcast.

I'm in the US Central timezone, and get "regular" NBC but *not* the
triple-channel cable stuff.

-- 
Gordon K. Chace
Control Data Systems, Inc.   phone (612) 482-6524   fax 482-2791
email gkc@udev.cdc.com
RISC: Really Invented on the Sixty-six-hundred by CDC
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.running
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:28:24 -0400 
From: Ward_Travis@transarc.com
Subject: Re: To wear a shirt or not?
	<2103@bigfoot.first.gmd.de>

I've found that I prefer wearing no shirt over wearing any COTTON
shirt. I perspire heavily, and after about 5-7 mi. a cotton shirt will
be soaked. If the shirt gets heavy enough, it will chaff my chest
right across the most sensitive parts (yep, there). The chaffing has
inconvenienced me for a couple of days after some of my longer runs.
So for me, it's no shirt unless it's too cold to not wear one. And
then, I try to get something non-absorptive on as a first layer.

--
Ward C. Travis		Pittsburgh PA	"The fact is the sweetest dream that
travis@transarc.com	(412) 338 4388	       labor knows."  - R. Frost
From: ken_p1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: To wear a shirt or not?
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:14:34 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

To any of you hot weather running knowledge meisters:

Is it better (cooler temperature-wise) to wear one of the high tech fabric
uppers than not to wear any shirt at all while running in the hot & humid
summer weather?  Do these fabrics promote evaporation and cooling better than
plain old exposed skin?

I hate wearing a shirt/singlet on top when the weather gets much above 60 and
it's really humid outside.  A typical 6AM temp. & humidity in Dallas is
77 degrees and 80% humid.  It's not even reasonably feasible to run any other
time, unless you just want to put in a fast mile or less...

Ken Papai
Ken_P1@verifone.com
From: smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: 10k first mile: how fast?
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:29:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID

Relative to the average pace over the 10k course, how fast should the first 
mile be run? I'd be interested in hearing opinions/reasons in other distances
as well.

As an example of my personal experience, in my last 10k I ran the first mile
in 5:41, goal pace was 6:00, actual pace averaged 6:04. I suspect this is
going out too fast, though I was consciously holding back and wasn't pushing
it or suffering until the sprint for the finish. I wonder if it makes sense
to use the adrenaline and tension for that first mile, or if by not using it
you can hold an overall faster pace.

cheers,
scott smay
Newsgroups: rec.running,news.answers
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: 10k first mile: how fast?
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:34:08 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <5700027@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> smay@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Scott Smay) writes:
>Relative to the average pace over the 10k course, how fast should the first 
>mile be run? I'd be interested in hearing opinions/reasons in other distances
>as well.

    I remember reading somewhere that for every second/mile you go out too
fast during the first mile (relative to your overall pace), you pay four
seconds/mile by the end.  I don't know about those exact numbers, but going
out too fast is a habit that took me a long time to break, and my best
races have been at even splits.  For me, that means having the first mile
*always* feel too slow.
-- 
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From: kevin_mcentee@taligent.com (Kevin McEntee)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: South Bay Running Clubs?
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:38:33 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Taligent

Folks,

I'm finally getting back into running and I would like to share a little 
mutual support.  Is there such a thing as a running club in the Saratoga-Los
Gatos area?  I'm looking to run with a group about once a week since I figure
that the social contact would be an additional motivator for me.  In addition,
I'm looking to get in better touch with the local racing scene.

Thanks, Kevin

P.S. Sorry if this gets out of the SF Bay Area.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: 13r43@math.ucrf.edu
Subject: Re: NY Marathon alternative? 
Organization: McGill University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:05:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.064511.24917@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au>  
jjames@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au (Jeff James) writes:
> Help!  Our plans to run in the New York Marathon have been dashed!
> 
> All the Australian places have been filled and our entry fees returned
> (doesn't America need foreign tourist dollars?).
> 
> If anyone knows of a marathon on the same weekend as New York (1st
> of November) on the US East Coast, please(!) forward the relevant
> information.
> 
The rhode island marathon is the same weekend (nov 1st).
It finishes in providence, ri, which is 180 miles from nyc (and ~50 miles from  
boston)