From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Why does Eire get so much press?
Organization: Semper Excelsior
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:28:41 GMT
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>DATE:   6 Jan 93 11:05:23 GMT
>FROM:   R. Dijkhuis <s0499528@let.rug.nl>
>
>In article <2935339904.1.p00168@psilink.com> "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:
>>From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
>>Subject: Why does Eire get so much press?
>>Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:56:11 GMT
>>>FROM:   Steve Lang <lpzsml@unicorn.nott.ac.uk>
>>>
>>>In Article 38465 of alt.atheism, U16244@uicvm.uic.edu (David James Alexander Hanley) writes:
>>[...]
>>>>churches.  If only they could tell their people in Ireland to stop
>>>>shooting protestants..
>>
>>>
>>>The Vatican do tell their people in Ireland to stop shooting protestants.
>>>And the vast majority of Catholics, like most Protestants in Northern
>>>Ireland do not participate in such violent actions.
>>>
>>>Steve Lang.
>>>
>>
>>Boy!  I'll say they don't participate!  Anybody with some real 
>>statistics on the "strife" in Ireland?
>>
>>Estimating about 1000 violent deaths in Ireland in the last quarter 
>>century, this works out to about 40 murders/bombings/whatnots per year, 
>>or about 1/100000 population per year.  As one of the safest, least 
>>violent places on the globe (relative to really dangerous places, like 
>>Atlanta or <Anytown, USA>), where does Ireland get this reputation?
>>They ship children from Ireland to Detroit for the summer "to get them away 
>>from all the violence" back in Dublin. 
>
>Ah, mr. Tims again. Learn some geography. Ireland != Northern Ireland. 
>Dublin, capital of Ireland (which is not Northern Ireland) is safe except if 
>you say in public that you want an abortion. Belfast, capital of Northern 
>Ireland (I repeat: Northern Ireland, which is NOT, I repeat NOT Ireland) is 
>violent. Bombings and other attacks take place in Northern Ireland and on 
>the English mainland. 
>
>Reinder

You are right, Reinder.  Pretty sloppy. The violence is concentrated in 
Belfast, not Dublin.  See if I have this at all right, though, will you?

I thought the people in the south wanted it all to be one Eire. The people 
in the north wanted to remain part of the UK.  The old United Kingdom of 
Great Britain and Ireland was replaced by UK of GB and Northern Ireland 
when the people in the south split with their northern brethren.  The 
people in the south are still working at unification; the people in the 
north bash the Catholics around; the Catholics in the north throw bombs at 
the protestants and at the British soldiers sent to maintain order in N. 
Ireland;  the Catholics from southern and northern Ireland throw bombs at 
the people in London so the British will pull out of N. Ireland and give 
it back to the real Ireland which encompasses the whole island.

Population of N. Ireland ~1.5 million
Total murders 50 per year (~2000 since 1967 I've been informed by email)
I get that at 3/100000 people.  The US figure is  8.6/100000 nationwide.
[1986 World Amanac].  That's almost 3 times the murder rate in N. Ireland.

The question remains.  It's pretty safe in Belfast relative to Detroit.
The United States is violent, while Ireland and N. Ireland are 
relatively less so.  Why send children from Belfast to Detroit?  Why do 
the collective political entities of Ireland and N. Ireland have a 
reputation for violence when the numbers put them way down the list?
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