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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:58:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.174724.8216@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:

>ALRIGHT, NOW YOU'VE DONE IT!
>
>You people are nothing but a bunch of little tiny weenies.  I'm sick 
>of this "best of all time" crap.  IF YOU THINK THE 49ERS OF THE 80S 
>WERE A BETTER TEAM THAN THE 60S PACKERS YOUR BRAIN IS DEFECTIVE.
>
>I could put up with the "best QB of all time" and "best safety of all 
>time" crap but this "best team of all time" has shoved me over the 
>edge.  I'll bet none of you even remember the 60s Packers.
>
>I'm not going to say that the 60s Packers were better than the 80s 
>49ers.  I don't want to insult you.  But you better freakin knock it 
>off 'CUS YOU'RE REALLY PISSIN ME OFF!!!!!

Another case of what happens when one tries to substitute caffiene
for valium...

John, if you could relax for a moment, let me play devil's advocate for
a moment.  The Niners' period of dominance was roughly 20-25 years later
than the Packers'.  In that interval, players have become bigger, faster
and quicker, and stronger.  (I confess to not having statistics to back
this up, but I think it's generally recognized.)  Training regimens have
become much stiffer.  The game has become much more complex and more is
demanded mentally of the players.  And because of the longer season,
more endurance is needed.  Finally, a case could be made that the level
of competition is higher.

Personal team allegiances aside, I think it's quite supportable that
a modern "dynasty" team would be better than a latter-day counterpart.
We'll never know, of course, but it's an interesting mental exercise
to consider taking the 1989 Niners back in time 25 years and letting
them play 10 games against the Pack.  For the reasons mentioned in
the above paragraph, I'd expect the Niners to win the majority.

-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
From: merrill@devvax.stsci.edu (Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Play of the Day (Skins/Dallas)
Keywords: Lucky Break! Aikman
Date: 15 Dec 92 00:27:00 GMT
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50

In article <1gj6pbINN2jt@agate.berkeley.edu>, grantham@beirut.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham) writes...
>mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) wrote:
>>If that was a pump, Aikman's got a vice grip.  I've never seen a QB pump
>>as hard as his arm was moving.  He was trying to pass; of this I'm 
>>reasonably sure.
> 
>He said he was pumping it.  He was going to pass, but he saw the coverage
>Darrell "Bad Arm" Green was putting on Irvin, so pulled it back.
> 
The exact quote is "I tried to stop the throw and then the next thing I know the 
ball is gone."

I have seen it on three different angles from the back of the end zone.  It
was definately a fumble!  I also think Emmit Smith was down in the end zone.
It was an incredibly close call.  My only question is when his knee went down 
did he still have control.  I know his hand was still touching it.  But it
really doesn't matter as there is no instant replay this year.  

I would like to see instant replay only on fumbles and interceptions.

Clark B. Merrill                        A Life Long Redskins Fan!
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
merrill@stsci.edu
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From: john@ice.stx.com (John DiMarzio)
Subject: Re: Steelers '92
Reply-To: john@ice.stx.com
Organization: Hughes STX, Lanham, MD
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:47:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.130621.28193@sei.cmu.edu>, lwn@sei.cmu.edu (Louis Nedz) writes:
}    This Sunday the Vikings come to Three River Stadium. A tough game on 
}any normal day but tougher because Booby Brister will once again be starting
}at quarterback.  This game is important to all Steeler fans as a victory }keeps our Home Field chances alive. 

I would love to see the Steelers win this game, but with Bubby (Booby)
in it's gonna be tough.  Whatever happens though, I will be really happy
if they don't show Bubby's mom during the entire broadcast (Damn that's
annoying).

}                                                   LOU
} 
}           GO STEELERS!!!
             ^^^^^^^
            Ditto!

JD
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: Barry Foster, rushing records
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:28:01 GMT

In article <7c=b03USc4IB00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:

>>}this career in computers as I would obviously never get a fair shot to play
>>}with the big boyz. If only I'd been born a couple of years later when the 
>>}"smurf" receiver came in vogue I might be out there playing with these guys
>>}now instead listening to your bullshit! 
>>}	If given some of the holes Foster has had to run through I dare 
>>}say I'd have close to 1000 yards too, assuming my 32 year old body didn't 
>>}all apart by now. The guy is having a great year .. but in my opinion... 

>insisted that I could not possibly outrun Earl Campbell. Of course, later that
>year when I turned a 10.7 100  meters on the track team... he had to take it
>back.  

>Ronnie

I can say Ronnie that you certainly can probably outrun most of us here
on the net.  Congratulations.  But you are also more full of yourself
than most of us here on the net.  Of this, I am certain.
-- 
Eric Sybesma                                    sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Harbaugh back to throw, screen to Anderson, and it's PICKED off by
 Todd Scott at the 30..25..20..10.  TOUCHDOWN VIKINGS!!!"
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Why do the 49ers get to play by different rules???!!!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:17:38 GMT

In article <1ggt8sINN5sm@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:

>I don't blame you.  I'm a big Niner fan and even I scratched my head
>at some of the calls they were making out there.  The Terry Allen
>personal foul was amazing, but not significant anyway since he was
>still short of the first on the spot.

The Terry Allen incident was woefully reported on.  Going from memory,
the original camera angle was never replayed.  Instead, all we got was
the closer angle that stopped before the flag was thrown, so we don't
have any idea what occurred.  I think the original camera showed Allen
verbally mixing it up with the Niners, then turning his attention to
the official, who then threw the flag.

In any event, the official certainly made no bones about the call, so
I'm inclined to think he considered it justified.  I wonder if the
referee cited the wrong 15-yard penalty; it could have been 
unsportsmanlike conduct in the form of telling the official that his
heritage was suspect or such...
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 10:59:02 CET
From: <SLANE@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject:    playoff games question


    Maybe this has been dealt with recently , but I can't find it , so until
  we get a FAQ , here goes :-

  First round is clear , DC3 vs WC3 and WC2 vs WC1.

  Let's say , as an example , this leaves ....

  SF     14  2                   DC1
  DAL    13  3                   DC2
  MIN    11  5                   DC3
  NO     13  3                   WC1

  Does SF play MIN because it has the worst record , or does SF play NO
  because they are ranked lower ?


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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:10:09 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:10:06 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: (A SAINTS FAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The annoying fucker with his redskins posts..
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: 13 Dec 1992 22:02:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: iav@po.cwru.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: b63740.student.cwru.edu
Keywords: Annoying redskins

Hmm... Seeing the consistency of his postings it would seem that he had
a program set up to post his post to the newsnet... Therefore..
It is highly possible that he left his machine on, and it has been
posting it every 5 minutes (by itself).. Personnaly, I can't think
of anyone that would sit there for that long posting messages..
*chuckle*
ps..
Screw all the other teams.. Saints will prevail!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca)
Subject: Re: Andre Ware is Baaaaaaad!!!!!
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:34:39 GMT

Robert Newby <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:

>The Lions will be a new football team be cause Andre Ware & Company (Barry
>Sanders & the Lions) are going to wreak havoc on the NFL.  This young man
>is as awesome as his University of Houston statistics suggest.  I have not
>been an Andre Ware fan.  I was in the stands in KC when Barry Word embarrassed
>the Lions, Barry Sanders and Andre Ware included.  Over the past three seasons
>I've watched Ware showboat, talk big ("play me or trade me") and throw passes
>into the ground.  Personally, Rodney Peete has been my quarterback.  Today's
>performance by Ware shatters all of that.  This was his first real chance and
>he gave a glimpse of some awesome potential.  The combination of Ware, Barry

>Sanders, Herman Moore and a host of other outstanding receivers will make the
>Lions a team to contend with in the future (next year!!!).  That would be two
>consecutive Heismanns (Sanders & Ware) and a runner-up (Peete).  Finally, I
>think it will be a new day.  (Barring injuries of course.  This year teaches
>that lesson well.)
>Robert Newby                        Internet: 3zasib3@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
>Central Michigan University                         Bitnet: 3zasib3@cmuvm
>Department of Sociology                           AT&Tnet: (517) 774-3410
>Mt. Pleasant, MI  48859

True, Ware played pretty well, and if you consider the amount of action
he's seen prior to this week, very well.  However, as a fellow Lion's
fan (I'm assuming you are as well), I wouldn't get too excited based on
Sunday's game.  From what I heard on the radio (the TV was blacked out
in Detroit), the Browns really sucked in this game.  From the
highlights, I saw that underhanded interception that Kosar threw deep in
Lions' territory when the score was, I believe, still only 7-0, and it
had to be the most boneheaded football play I've ever seen.  And, as a
previous poster mentioned, penalties at key points in the game really
hurt the Browns as well.

Don't get me wrong, the Lion's did play well, and Ware was sharp.  But,
he's still got a ways to go to prove he can be a starting quarterback in
the NFL.  (Remember Eric Hipple?)  If Ware and the Lions repeat this
performance against Chicago and San Francisco in the next to weeks, then
we'll  have something to get pumped up about.

Still, we can dream, can't we ............


rag
From: reille85@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: EAGLES IN SUPER BOWL
Summary: EAGLES>COWBOYS
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:25:59 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec11.154231.10343@ntmtv>, jmartin@ntmtv.UUCP (Jeff Martin) writes:
> From article <1992Dec10.211422.1@wharton.upenn.edu>, by reille85@wharton.upenn.e>> 
>> 	Eagles 21 Saints 20
>> 	Eagles 27 Dallas 17
>> 	Eagles 30 49ers 27
> 
> 	Which is 3 more post season wins than the Eagles have
> 	had in the last decade. Face it, IF the Eagles get to the
> 	playoffs you can count on them choking. Randalls knees
> 	go all a`quiver, fog rolls in and its over.
> 
> 	Eagles played their Super Bowl on Oct 5. Hope you
> 	enjoyed it.
> 

Yeah - The Cowboys have done a whole lot this year, all they have done is win
the games they were supposed to win (except for the L.A. Rams), and lose the
games they were supposed to lose - REMEMBER 31 -7 at the Vet???  They have not
been that impressive, they have had an unbelievably easy schedule outside of
the Division, and I believe that they will go nowhere...Not to the Super
Bowl..or the NFC Championship Game, Oh yeah, that means that they won't win a
playoff game either!  I hope the Eagles see the Cowboys in the playoffs,
because no matter where it is, it will be a Dallas Cowboy bloodbath for
terrified Troy and Jerk-Off Jimmy.

				EAGLES 31
				REDSKINS 16

GO EAGLES!!!
GO STEELERS!!! (This Week)
GO FALCONS!!! (Rip those 'Boys on MNF)

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From: john@ice.stx.com (John DiMarzio)
Subject: Re: The Dynasty Continues..........
Reply-To: john@ice.stx.com
Organization: Hughes STX, Lanham, MD
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:42:15 GMT

In article <1giiubINNpp1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci) writes:
}
}ONe of the main reasons that the 49ers win much of the time is the
}smae thing that is happening to baseball - money.  The owner of the
}49ers, DeBartolo (from my hometown, Youngstown, OH) has put so much
}money into the team, and pampers them so much that they have no
 ^^^^^
Being from Youngstown, you must have some idea where Eddie Sr.s'
money supposedly came from (offers that could not be refused). 

}excuse not to win.  While many teams with owners who don't think
}that a private plane for every game is a necessity, DeBartolo won't
}havae his players travel in anything less than complete comfort.

Let us not forget the multi million dollar training facility.

}As if million dollar salaries weren't enough...  Although I hate
}them as a team, you have to respect the Steelers, who have the lowest
}budget in football.  I just feel sorry for them when Foster's contract
}comes up - right now he is making $113,000 a year; Jim Harbaugh makes
}more than that in two weeks.  Bench warming linemen make more than
}that.  There will never again even be close to parity in the NFL, and
}we are all to blame.

I couldn't agree more. I don't like where the NFL is going these days.
It's beginning to look more and more like like professional baseball
where the fat corporations are the only ones able to keep a franchise
above water by paying rediculous salaries. However, I think the NFL may
be taking some steps in the right direction as we speak. And as for
Eddie Jr, He is getting his right now.  He is supposedly in some
deep financial trouble these days.  Any 9ers fans care to elaborate.  

John DiMarzio
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:30:13 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: jcollins@sparkle.tnis (Jon Collins CT/90)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lions QB
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:08:09 GMT
Reply-To: jcollins@sparkle.tnis
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 10239@equalizer.cray.com, mcs@cray.com (Mike Sanfratello) writes:
>Does anyone know who will be playing QB for Detroit this weekend?
>Will Ware start again?
>
>mike

Yes, Ware is starting again this weekend.  Fontes will start Ware for the final 2 games of the season, but said that Peete may also see some playing time.

Jon

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