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From: cavus@cae.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: INTERPRETATION OF THE QUR'AN.  PART 2.1
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:00:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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Originator: Mughal@Romeo.Caltech.Edu (Asim Mughal -Moderator)


[Postmarked: Fri, 17 Jul 92 12:09:09 CDT ]

ON THE INTERPRETATION  OF  THE  QUR'AN.  PART  2.1

This TWENTY  NINTH  LETTER  consists of nine parts.  This is the
first part containing nine remarks

In the Name of Allah the Merciful the Compassionate  "The seven
Heavens and the Earth, as well as whoever is in them, glorify
Him." [Al Qur'an 17:44]

Second Remark:  In the Qur'an, Allah (SWT) swore on different
things.  "Each agent (of the Qur'an), being one sample out of
the all-truth, directs, encourages, and alerts the minds to the
(specific) truths.  Bottom line: the one who is unaware of and
does not ponder about the large and small scale bodies, is
alerted by the oaths in the Qur'an.  Yes, the Qur'anic oaths are
qarel Asa (warnings given by a physician) to those who are
drowsing in heedlessness. - from The Muhakemat ."

There are many great wisdoms and riddles in the Qur'anic oaths.
For example, in the oath, "By the Sun and its (glorious)
splendor" [Al Qur'an 91:1], the universe is shown in the form of
a palace or a city as also indicated in the essence of the
parable in the Eleventh Word.  Further, by the oath of the
verse, "Ya Sin.  By the Qur'an full of Wisdom" [Al Qur'an 36:1],
the sublime degree of the Qur'anic i'jaz (2) is emphasized such
that the power of that i'jaz is shown in such a revered degree
that it can be sworn with.  In the oaths "By the star when it
goes down" [Al Qur'an 53:1], and "Furthermore I call to witness
the settings of the stars, And that is indeed a mighty
adjuration if you but knew" [Al Qur'an 56:75,76], it is
indicated that jinns and devils were cut off from receiving
information from the unseen alems by the thrown stars so that
any doubt about interference of soothsaying with the Qur'anic
revelations were completely eliminated.
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: ali@babar.inria.fr (Ali Atie)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: About songs and music
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:13:51 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France
Status: RO
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu


A discussion was going in soc.culture.lebanon about 
the position of the Islam regarding songs and music.
I'd like to share it with you.

ElieW writes
>Then they tried to indicate to me that we should not sing in my friend's house.
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>At first I thought that he was grieving, and asked about the matter, but this
>was not the case. No one in his family had died.
>But I was told that "Muslims" are continually grieving due to the ills that are
>upon the Muslims.
>THis was new for me. Is this something special for this family, a certain group
>or something general in Islam?

What is general in islam is that muslims should not listen to vain word 
(lahu al-hadith). Allah(SWT) said what could be translated to:
 
    "They shall not hear therein any vain words nor lying." (78:35)
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

vain words is translated from the arabic words "lahu al-hadith".

***************************************
Anwar Saleh writes:
> Umm Kulthoom career was singing and did go to Hajj (Mecca) in 
> Saudia Arabia (the very strict country). 

Nobody has the right to forbid a muslim (man or woman) to
go to Hajj, even if this muslim is a singer.

> If singing is not
> allowed, probably she would not be allowed in.
 
Since when the kings in Saudia Arabia cared about what is allowed
and what is not ???

>Even in Iran,
>singing was allowed by Khomeini (but just for the revolution).
>I heard women sing for the revolution.

a song for the islamic cause is not vain words, so it is allowed 
(see verse above).

****************************************
H. Harmanani writes:
>I heard that songs and music are not allowed in Islam except for
>classical music.  The reason I was given was that it wastes people
>time.  Could that be the case here? 

Listening to vain words (lahu al-hadith) is not allowed. Must of songs 
(Umm Kulthum, Abdel haleem, Ragheb Alameh, Mickel Jackson, ...) are
vain words, so they are forbidden.
In addition, anything that takes you away from the right path and
leads you to lose your conscience (even for a little time) is an evil 
work, so you should avoid it. This is the case of music that challenge you to
dance. Instead, the classical music is allowed and it could be indeed 
a remedy for nervousness. However, the best thing is to listen to 
Allah(SWT)'s words, the Quran:

    "Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of 
     it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is 
     who are the men of understanding." (39:18)


Ali Muhammad Atie.
From: iscleekk@nuscc.nus.sg (LEE KOK KIONG JAMES)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: ISLAM: JIHAD IN THE QUR`AN
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:12:37 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
Status: RO
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu

exuasqa@exu.ericsson.se (Asem Qaddoura,xt-dk,1209) writes:
: Muslims will fight those who will not allow there people to get the message(islam)
: across, or those who do not allow their people the freedom of choise-Listen to
: Islam, then take it or not.
: I hope this could help

And it would also be interesting to see if Muslims will allow others to
preach to their own people religions other than Islam. As far as I know,
many Muslim countries absolutely forbids such preaching activities. Is it
fair?

James KK Lee
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: cb373@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ayman Hossam Fadel)
Subject: Children Stories in English
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Originator: Mughal@Romeo.Caltech.Edu (Asim Mughal -Moderator)
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:46:00 GMT


[Postmarked: Tue, 14 Jul 92 22:47:34 GMT ]

Assalamu ala man ihtada

Muslims in Knoxville have been thinking about a reading program
in English for Muslims of ages 6-22, most of whom can only read
in English.  We've found so far that there is a serious lack of
quality literature for young English-speaking Muslims.  This
problem is most severe for those ages 5-10.  I have found that
the thing which they seem to be the most eager to listen to is
stories of the messengers alayhim assalam and the companions
raDiya allahu anhum and the like.  Unfortunately, within three or
four more lessons, I'll have told them all the stories
and showed them all the video tapes we got in our library.

I request that if any of you know of any books or video tapes
made for children--please e-mail me the title, a brief
description, and the publishing house or distributor's 
address or phone #.

Alternatively, if you could provide other suggestions
for teaching this age group in a one day a week (one hour)
setting, then these would also be welcome.

I will in sha allah post your suggestions to the newsgroup
if you indicate that it is OK for me to do so in your
letter.

Please send your replies to:

afadel@nyx.cs.du.edu

if replying to the address at the top
of this article doesn't work.

wassalam ala man ittaba al-huda
ayman hossam
####
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From: aj@hoqax.att.com (Ahmad M Jrad)
Subject: Islamic Games
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Originator: Mughal@Romeo.Caltech.Edu (Asim Mughal -Moderator)
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:06:00 GMT


[Postmarked: Wed, 15 Jul 92 15:12:45 EDT ]

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Team Registration deadline is July 18, 1992.

For more information please call (908) 396-1581, (201) 748-9695 (Brothers)
                                 (201) 482-3768, (201) 621-9228 (Sisters).

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Proceed about one mile. School is on left.
FROM OTHER POINTS AND BY MASS TRANSIT: Please call (201) 748-9695.
From: naina@eng.umd.edu ('Mohammed Rafay)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Interest/Financing cars and homes
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:06:46 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: naina@delorean.eng.umd.edu
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu

Assalam alekum,

I have a question and a doubt if anyone can calrify it I would really
aprreciate their help and may Allah reward them for their help.

My question is about interest or financing of cars and homes.
Is it okay if you buy a car from a dealer with financing? I know that
I will be paying interest but, one of the brothers said that don't 
look at it from the interest point of view think that the car costs 
so much and that you are paying that in installments. 

I have a car which is pretty old and constantly giving me trouble 
and I end paying the mechanic quite a bit and also the inconvience to
my work. I was looking towards buying a new car cause if I buy a used
car again it may also start giving trouble after some time and I can't
afford to buy a new car cash down. Can anyone please advise me what to
do or is there any Islamic organization out here that gives interest
free loans or do auto financing?

My other question is mortage on houses is it advisable to pay the 
mortage and own the home or just pay the rent and never own it.

I know interest is haram in Islam but what is a guy supposed to do 
under these conidtions. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
May Allah reward you for your help.

 Wasalam alekum.

Your brother in Islam 

Rafay Mohammed.
(naina@lotus.eng.umd.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: hassan@cs.ubc.ca (Moustafa Hassan)
Subject: Temporary Marriage
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Originator: Mughal@Romeo.Caltech.Edu (Asim Mughal -Moderator)
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:19:00 GMT


[Postmarked: Tue, 21 Jul 92 17:42:08 GMT ]


I bear witness that there is nothing worthy of worship other than Allah
and that His messenger Muhammad is the seal of all prophethood.


Assalamu alaikum.  No one denies that temporary marriage 
was made lawful during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad.  However, 
Muslim scholars unanimously agree that every hadeeth in Saheeh-alBukhari
or Saheeh-Muslim is authentic.  I would like to repeat this:  **every**
hadeeth in Saheeh-alBukhari or Saheeh-Muslim is authentic (hence the
names of the books).

In Saheeh-Muslim (Kitab al-Nikaah), the second to last hadeeth can
be transliterated as follows:

[On the authority of some Sahabi]... " anna rasool Allahi Sallallahu
'alayhee wa sallam nahaa 'anil mut'ah faqaal: innahu Haraamun min
yawmikum haatha ilaa yawm al-qiyamah, wa man kaana a'Taa shay^an, falaa
ya^khuth-hu".

(Please verify that I am not fabricating this hadeeth, and that it's 
presence in Saheeh-Muslim guarantees its authenticity.)

A rough translation is:

[On the authority of some Sahabi]...  "that the messenger of Allah (SAWS)
prohibited the pleasure (ie: temporary) marriage in saying:  Verily
it is forbidden from this day until the Day of Resurrection, and whomever
of you gave something [in the form of dowry] should not take it [back]".

Thus, although temporary marriage was made lawful, and then prohibited,
and then made lawful, and then prohibited, etc... (see al-Nawawi's 
commentary of Saheeh-Muslim), it is obvious that this hadeeth is a 
peremptory (ie. absolute) ruling on the matter of temporary marriage.
The statement "min yawmikum haatha ilaa yawm al-qiyamah" ("from
this day until the Day of Resurrection") implies that this judgement
is final.  Hence, temporary marriage is forbidden.

And Allah knows best.


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Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: rached@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached)
Subject: MONITOR: <soc.culture.lebanon>(Music in Islam)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Originator: Mughal@Romeo.Caltech.Edu (Asim Mughal -Moderator)
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:09:00 GMT


[Postmarked:  Mon, 20 Jul 1992 02:32:21 GMT ]

Assalamu Alaykum Brothers and sisters,

there is a discussion beginning on soc.culture.lebanon about Music in
Islam. Anybody with a good reference about that may want to shed some
light. Please bear in mind that the newsgroup is read by nonmuslims as
well as by muslims. That's why you should have a strong argument and
good references from Quran and Sunnah to back up any claim you may
asert.


Jazakum Allahu Khairan


rached





--------------------------Message picked up------------------------------
elie@sensors.njit.edu (...NADINE...) writes:

>In article <1992Jul18.213225.5224@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. 
>Harmanani) writes:

>>I heard that songs and music are not allowed in Islam except for
>>classical music.  The reason I was given was that it wastes people
>>time.  Could that be the case here? 
>
>Didn't Khomeini also ban classical music ?

 Your statement is irrelevant. I heard that in Christianity 
 Laughter is not allowed and there was(is) a section in
 Christianity who consider laughing as a sin. I've seen Christians
 who consider electricity and cars as evil and using them as a sin. 
 They use horse carriages, and oil lamps. I saw Christians in Utah
 who consider smoking as a sin. and many more. am I right in saying
 Christians? of course not. 

 In fact I saw the group 2 live crew banned in many states and on 
 MTV. Now there is a drive to ban a rap album about killing cops
 or something like that. Similarly, some kind of music is not allowed in Islam. 
 what should be allowed and what should not, where to draw the 
 line and who decide is a different story.  

 Umm Kulthoom career was singing and did go to Hajj (Mecca) in 
 Saudia Arabia (the very strict country). If singing is not
 allowed, probably she would not be allowed in. Even in Iran,
 singing was allowed by Khomeini (but just for the revelution).
 I heard women sing for the revolution. My guess is that Khomeini's
 ban was on the musician's and singers who were close to the Shah
 or what is considered abscene. 

 Again, the standards in Islam are different. But even in the West
 there is limit on what you can say in public and what you can not.

 Anwar Saleh

Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: onf@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (omar.farooq)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: ISLAM ON ABORTION
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:32:38 GMT
Organization: AT&T
Status: RO
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu

Since I am not an erudite Islamic scholar, I was wondering if someone
had any facts, quotes, or knowledge about Islam'c position towards
abortion.  I have heard from many people that according to Muhammad(PBUH), 
abortion was allowed by the third month of pregnancy(latest), since the
soul of child was not formed yet.

Thanx in advance!
E-mail me directly or post it for others' interest as well.

Omar
omar.farooq@att.com
From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Soc.Religion.Islam : JULY 92 STATISTICS
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:38:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
Originator: Mughal@Romeo.Caltech.Edu (Asim Mughal -Moderator)


                STATISTICS 1:30 am PST 7/23/92
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                Moderator: Asim M Mughal

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                Articles Received:      64
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From: hassan@cs.ubc.ca (Moustafa Hassan)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Temporary Marriage
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:44:20 GMT
Reply-To: hassan@cs.ubc.ca (Moustafa Hassan)
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Status: RO
Originator: hanan@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu

I bear witness that there is nothing worthy of worship other than Allah
and that His messenger Muhammad is the seal of all prophethood.


Assalamu alaikum.  No one denies that temporary marriage 
was made lawful during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad.  However, 
Muslim scholars unanimously agree that every hadeeth in Saheeh-alBukhari
or Saheeh-Muslim is authentic.  I would like to repeat this:  **every**
hadeeth in Saheeh-alBukhari or Saheeh-Muslim is authentic (hence the
names of the books).

In Saheeh-Muslim (Kitab al-Nikaah), the second to last hadeeth can
be transliterated as follows:

[On the authority of some Sahabi]... " anna rasool Allahi Sallallahu
'alayhee wa sallam nahaa 'anil mut'ah faqaal: innahu Haraamun min
yawmikum haatha ilaa yawm al-qiyamah, wa man kaana a'Taa shay^an, falaa
ya^khuth-hu".

(Please verify that I am not fabricating this hadeeth, and that it's 
presence in Saheeh-Muslim guarantees its authenticity.)

A rough translation is:

[On the authority of some Sahabi]...  "that the messenger of Allah (SAWS)
prohibited the pleasure (ie: temporary) marriage in saying:  Verily
it is forbidden from this day until the Day of Resurrection, and whomever
of you gave something [in the form of dowry] should not take it [back]".

Thus, although temporary marriage was made lawful, and then prohibited,
and then made lawful, and then prohibited, etc... (see al-Nawawi's 
commentary of Saheeh-Muslim), it is obvious that this hadeeth is a 
peremptory (ie. absolute) ruling on the matter of temporary marriage.
The statement "min yawmikum haatha ilaa yawm al-qiyamah" ("from
this day until the Day of Resurrection") implies that this judgement
is final.  Hence, temporary marriage is forbidden.

And Allah knows best.


-- 
********************************************************************
* Moustafa Hassan          |                                       *
* hassan@cs.ubc.ca         |  Political correctness is a euphemism *  
* TEL/FAX: (604) 535-2826  |  for intellectual stagnation.         *
********************************************************************

-- 
********************************************************************
* Moustafa Hassan          |                                       *
* hassan@cs.ubc.ca         |  Political correctness is a euphemism *  
* TEL/FAX: (604) 535-2826  |  for intellectual stagnation.         *
********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: ALACH@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: Re: Islam is the Only True Religion
Date: 25 Jul 92 11:50:55 GMT


thinker@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (kfm) asked me about "predestination"
and free will.

	This falls under the issue of al-Qadar.
	I already sent an article about that sometime ago.
	Wait for it.
	

G Housieni
From: acsormd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Randall Desmond)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
Subject: perdestination...can anyone tell me if I am right or wrong?
Date: 25 Jul 92 11:56:39 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

I don't want to put my own thoughts and innovations into Islam.
So could someone please either verifiy or obliterate these thoughts
with some substantial proof from Qur'an and Hadith (not weak hadith).

My thought was this: Predestination is true. Allah knows the destiny
of all and has thus willed it. It is not that man is confined to
fulfill this destiny without choice, but that Allah, in his infinite
knowledge, knows the choices each of his creation will make. Allah
knows everything; choices and outcomes. It just so happens that Allah
has willed what choices man will make.

I understand that free will is limited. Muslims mustn't believe in a
too deterministic society or a freewill fanatic society. It's a
Straight Path.

Please correct me and forgive me if I am wrong and pray for me
to grow in True knowledge whether I am right or wrong,

Ismail 
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: rreid@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ralph Reid III)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: thought for the day (7-29)
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:37:37 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico

Wednesday, July 29:

     You must inculcate them in your son and speak of them when you sit 
in your house and when you walk on the road and when you lie down and 
when you get up.  <Deuteronomy 6: 7>

-- 
Ralph.  N6BNO.
Compuserve - 72250.3521@compuserve.com.  Phone 1-916-345-9155.
lectromail- rreid@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu.
I do not waste time expressing others' opinions!
From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Ourselves (was Re: Bisexuals
Date: 28 Jul 92 06:25:36 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia

hechtel@meteor.wisc.edu (Leslie Hechtel) writes:

>This is frequently not a friendly, loving place.  All to frequently,
>this is a place for the bean-counters, the rigid, the rule-bound.

>How many people come here, read, are disgusted by the tension
>and bickering they see, and leave unsatisfied?  How many stay,
>but dare not post for the earthly flames that will follow?  

>We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us.

I have not followed the discussion until now, so I don't know 
what horrible and previous countings have been. C.S. Lewis' comment
about homosexuality, that he didn't want to talk about anything
he hadn't been tempted with himself so as not to be a hypocrit
(making others bear a burdon he himself wouldn't bear) seems to be appropriate. 

Catholics note: St Thomas Aquinas tells us that " Fraternal correction is the
spiritual almsdeed of reproving a sinner; it is an act of charity. Sometimes
we are under an obligation of giving fraternal correction. This is always 
so when a discrete word of ours could lead a grevious sinner to amend
his ways." And it "must be an act of charity, not of officiousness, or
meddling, or pride, or hypocrisy. It is to be given in the spirit of
loving friendship in God."

Maybe s.r.c is not a discrete enough place for any 
strong fraternal correction; in the absense of personal relationships
they might easily just be personal attacks or (at best) pearls before swine.
But surely general statements about faith and morals can still be made,
and all readers must make allowance for hurried & infelicitous composition.

Finally, if we see anyone attracted to 
Christianity because of a perception of a lack of tension in communal,
inter-personal or the inner life, we should warn them they are mistaken, 
and that as well as rest for the weary, Jesus brings a sword that will tear 
families apart.

-ricko