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From: teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero)
Subject: Re: Delirium's hair
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:55:21 GMT

naam@cecer.army.mil (Ramez Naam) writes:
>royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:
>>I was wondering...

>>I recently bought the Sandman Special #1(it was great, by the way). We get to
>>see Delirium with monochromatic hair; she is also white, and she looks older.
>>My question is: has she really evolved to become what she is now, or is it 
>>because her look was redesigned along her increasing appearances?

>I'm fairly confident that the differences in the drawing of Delirium are
>*quite* intentional.

	Also in the Special, Despair's left eye (the one that she shoved her
ring into in Issue #41), was disfigred and looked to be recovering from a 
massive wound. (Check it out!)  Does she do this sort of thing all the time?
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From: novotndj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Spidey Movie????????
Date: 17 Nov 92 13:40:29 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

I see a lot of people making up casts for a X-men movie.
Does this mean there will not be a Spiderman movie.
If I understood correctly Marvel was going to choose
 between the two .

Has anyone heard anything?
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: INDY: Re: Image Leaves Malibu
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:31:05 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Kevin Kim (kevin@rauland.UUCP) writes:

>Steelpulse (this character
>looked like a cross combination of Wolverine, Wolfsbane from New Mutants,
>Strype, Colossus and few others).
 ^^^^^^
Wolverine, Wolfsbane, Colossus, and the BeechNut Zebra.  SCARE-EE!

------------------------------
                             |     Jenny-the-ghost snapped her fingers again,
Jim Drew                     | and she suddenly looked like a certain pin-up
jrd@frame.com                | model of decades gone by.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     Me, I was dressed in an aviator's jacket,
"Innocent, but not naive."   | and there was something heavy and silver on
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    | my back, but I couldn't quite see what it was.
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  |     "Hey, there, flyboy," said Jenny, winking.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | "Is that a rocket on your back, or are you just
                             | happy to see me?"
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "A Conventional Death"
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From: jh173456@prince.carleton.ca ( jh student 173456)
Subject: Re: Superman: latest Doomsday disappointment
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:27:18 GMT


>So what does everyone think about his death?  Is it good or bad for
>comics?  

I think it's a bad move for comics and society in general. The folks
at DC must be in really sad shape if they feel they have to turn their
flagship character into just another Dark Knight Avenger. All the
interviews I saw of the average man on the street were either
speculators (not really fans) or lame idiots who took this thing a
bit too seriously, and nearly broke down. Don't get me wrong, it
upsets me too. I mean, in times like these, we don't need to take
down any more symbols of hope (especially for the obvious motivation
(in this case) of the bottom line). And that's exactly what Superman
at his very best should be.

>In what ways will the character be rejuvenated?

I hope they put some good writers on him. IMO, the best thing
to do would be to reduce the number of titles he appears in and
produce one or two better quality titles, done by top-notch
creators. That's what I want. But the marketing people already
have their hands on him, so this is what I think they'll probably do:

I noticed in the latest Direct Currents that 'Batman' (the comic book)
was fast approaching issue #500, sometime this summer. It was reported
here (I think) that all the Super-books would suspend publication
after SM #77. The last issue of Adventures of SM published under this
plan would be issue #499. The next Super-title to be published after
the moratorium would be AOS #500. Do I smell poly-bags here?

To be continued...

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From: jchiu@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (James Chiu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Bram Stoker's Dracula ..
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:15:39 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

I saw the movie Dracula and personally think that it sucks.  First it
was kinda long and I became restless because nothing much happenned
in the movie.  Oh well, there will most likely be a lesser demand on
the comic book counterpart...
From: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:08:49 GMT
Reply-To: mkelly@chaucer.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

Jamie Delano's MAN-BAT series.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
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From: abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick)
Subject: Re: Superman funeral on SNL 11/21/92
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:57:04 GMT

In <1992Nov23.151107.26842@ils.nwu.edu> pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler) writes:

>I didn't recognize all the costumes used in the Superman funeral
>segment.  Here are those I did recognize:

>Jimmy Olsen   (Rob Schneider (sp?))
>Lois Lane     (Julia Sweeney)
>Perry White   (Phil Hartman)
>Batman
>Robin         (Chris Rock)
>Aquaman       (Dana Carvey)
>John Stewart  (Tim Meadows (?))
>Flash         (Adam Sandler)
>Spiderman
>Hulk          (Chris Farley)
>Reed Richards (? Davis (I can't believe I can't remember his name))
>Black Lightning (Sinbad)

>Who else was there?

>	-dp-

Wasn't Kevin Neland(sp?) Hawkman?

Alan Bick
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Ghost Rider
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:08:55 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu

In article <1992Nov23.174550.18179@cc.umontreal.ca> royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes:
>They haven't got the right to hint at the return of Deathwatch, damnit! Dead is
>dead.

	Don't chu read the papers, pal?  Dead is only a temporary setback.

"Don't gimme that.  People come back from the dead all the time.  I
 mean...I've come back from the dead.  I bet you have too!
"Admit it!"
"Well...Yes, I have.  But I AM a professional."
"How about you, Wong?  You ever die and come back?"
"To be honest...yes"
"There!  Three out of three people surveyed came back from the
 dead!  So Marlo should be able to come back too!"
        --Rick Jones, Dr Strange and Wong, Hulk #399



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Superman's not just dead, he's wrapped in plastic.-Houston Chronicle (11/19/92)
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From: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: "Vaporware" Comics
Reply-To: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:52:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.165802.1728@hellgate.utah.edu>, speterse%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.143000.17536@husc3.harvard.edu> silvers3@husc11.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith) writes:
>>I'm trying to compile a list of comics announced but never published by major
>>comics companies. I use these terms flexibly, but if I include too many
>>small indpendents, the list will certainly become unmanagable. So far, I've
>>thought of:
>
>The Dark Horse reissues of STARSTRUCK.  There was supposed to have been
>a six month break between 1-4 and 5-8.  It's been, what, 2 years now since
>#4 came out?
>
>--
>    "From your signature it is obvious that you are a homosexual"
>soren f petersen           :        i AM NOT          :    --Doc
>speterse@peruvian.utah.edu :  THE university OF utah  :
>"How could I dance with another/When I saw him standing there"  --Tiffany

Innovation's "On A Pale Horse"? 

Whatever happened to the rest of it? I know 2 parts came out, but nothing else.
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From: andyi@world.std.com (Andy G Ihnatko)
Subject: Re: Million Year Picnic in Boston - Fire
Keywords: Fire
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 06:09:17 GMT

ivanski@world.std.com (Ivan M CaveroBelaunde) writes:

>For all interested, last weekend there was a fire at the Million Year Picnic
>in Cambridge. While most of their stock was destroyed (ouch - they had
>some *seriously* valuable old stuff), they are still in business (dealing
>with insurance adjusters and such).

>They have temporarily relocated to the Galeria shopping arcade (about a
>block from their old location, across the street from Grendel's - this
>is the place where the Janus theatre is in Harvard Square.

>MYP, IMHO, is the best comic store in the Boston area (some others like
>Comicopia better, but MYP is still *excellent*).  They stocked mainstream
>as well as pretty obscure independent stuff, had an excellent selection of
>European comics and truly great stuff (the only place I've seen that
>stocked the hardcover Carl Barks and MAD collections).  They would carry
>stuff like the british B/W Moore Swamp Thing stuff, and promote and recommend
>quality independent books *consistently*.  Stores like this
>are few and far between, and I'd like to make sure it doesn't die because
>of this.  If you live in the Boston area, please support them and let your
>friends know.


I second that.  In addition, MYP is one of the few non-profiteers in the
business...a "hot" book that's in mylar on most shops' walls for ten bucks
can still be purchased from MYP's stacks at cover price.


-- Andy Ihnatko
   andyi@world.std.com
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From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: The Coverage of the Dearth of Superman
Organization: Little Dead Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:27:29 GMT


(Note Since everyone and their cat knows that Supes will be back, I choose
to refer to the current phenomenon as The Dearth of Superman.)

The local media has been doing a lot with the Superdeath. Since Dan Jurgens
lives near the Twin Cities in the soon to be flattened suburb of Edina, he's
been getting a lot of airtime on the local news. The two local papers also
did lengthy stories on Jurgens and Supes. (In one article Jurgens said that
his young son already knows the importance of Superman. DJ: "What does 
Superman do?" Son: "He flies." DJ: "What else does he do?" Son: "He pays 
the mortgage.")

In one TV interview Jurgens came up with a good rationalization for Supes'
death. He reasoned that in saving his friends and Metropolis by sacrificing
himself, Supes is being a true hero. This sort of sacrifice is a noble 
thing that is often lost in comics where most super heroes are nearly 
invulnerable.

My only reaction is then why couldn't you have written a better story? If
this whole thing had been done in a way in which these sentiments were 
shown in a less heavyhanded fashion, then it wouldn't have come off as such
a sales gimmick. I'd forgive any transgression if this story had evoked the
slightest emotion in me. It didn't, other than the irritation with myself
for buying it.

I just hope I don't have to live through this supermania again. My favorite
quote was on some tabloid news show that had gone to Metropolis. They had
this elderly woman on who looked sort of bewildered by the hoopla. Her
remark on the whole matter was:

"He'll be all right. He'll live forever." 

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  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Oh, you can have any room you want. No one stops
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)    |  here since the new highway went in. I just turn
  Growing old is mandatory |  on the light to make sure it works. Let me get 
   Growing up is optional  |  you some towels." _Mr Peanut at the Bates Motel_
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From: jordan@castor (Chucka Zulu)
Subject: Re: DC: JCs loves (was Re: Hellblazer #61
Organization: University of Georgia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:31:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.180501.20808@news.nd.edu> mkelly@goya.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>Whassername from Sandman #3. Was there also an old flame of JCs in Grant
>Morrison's issues, if so, she would have been killed by a nuclear missile.

Yep, there was a woman in the story (a slightly psychic photographer) and
she was killed by a nuclear missile at the end, I believe.

>For the record, I doubt Kit is going to be killed, she'll either end up
>as the thrall of the Lord of Vampires, an eternal slave of Hell, or turn
>out to have been one of the above all along. Blech.

What is it with you people and your constant ragging of Ennis' writing?
I think you're all just applying the rules the old Constantine writers to
Ennis' story.  We haven't seen anything in Ennis' writing that indicates he's
going to kill of Kit for "shock value," or even make her anything other than
what she seems.  Who have we seen killed for shock value so far?  There's
been a few guys in the "Royal Blood" storyline, who were either minor 
characters or really bad guys.  There was the woman in the "Pub Where I Was
Born" storyline, although that was really more part of the story than shock
value.  There were lots of people in the ammunitions-testing-plant story,
but again, they were minor characters unimportant to the character.   I don't
think you've been reading close enough if you think that Ennis would do 
something like that with Kit.
	
	I'm not saying that it's impossible she'll die or turn out to be
a bad guy all along, but I don't see what you're basing it on.  There's been
absolutely no clues given out in the story.

Chuck

-- 
                  Chuck Jordan | jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu
           Come on--keep 'em comin'!  Monkey love pile on me!
	           -- Mystery Science Theater 3000
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: The not-so-Fantastic Four
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 07:33:43 EST

daikerjohnc@bvc.edu writes:

>     Has anyone else REALLY gotten sick of the new Fantastic Four's writing?  

Yes.

>     
>     ESPECIALLY Sue Storm? 

Well, she's the worst, but Johnny is almost as bad.

Not that I mean that Johnny is so far out of character, except I can't 
believe that the Johnny I knew would want to leave the FF.


> 
>     How do they expect me to swallow the sudden "Grim and Grittization"(tm)
> of the characters?  Sue Storm's being affected by her double and Iron Man and
> Reed Richards, the first two possessed in fact, not being affected is just 

So maybe she's a Skrull impostor.  The point is it's annoying to read. 
I've always liked Sue because she was a likable character -- I don't want 
to see her acting tough issue after issue.  My tolerance level for this 
disappeared very fast.

> plain stupid.  Her new costume ALONE is grounds for immediate dissmissal.  Th

Yeah.  Where are the ugliness police when you need them.

> Fantastic Four has always been a book based on a family unit working together
> and the trials they go through.  How much you bet the new "Bitchy Sue" and th
> same old Reed Richards divorce sometime soon?  I'll bet even money Reed gets
> Franklin...

They've already been through this -- and I thought THAT was an awful 
story, too.

Yes, the family unit thing is what makes FF so good. (It used to be 
strong writing and characterization that did it too, but so it goes.) 
Looks as if they're trying to kill off a potentially dynamite comic.

Grumble.

Namaste,
Elizabeth

P.S. Can you see it - Fantastic Four, featuring The Savage Sue.

Organization: Sophomore, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:56:45 -0500 
From: Michael P Collins <mc7f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Implications of the Death of Superman

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 23-Nov-92 Implications of
the Death o.. by Elizabeth Holden@Micor.O 
>  
> What really scares me about the success in sales of the Death of Superman 
> is that a few months from now we'll be getting the Death of Spider-Man 
> over at Marvel, because they'll have to do something to cash in on this, 
> right?  

Until they resurrect whoever in a special limited series during the
summer of '93 starring WarlockThanosDr.StrangeDr.DoomMoonKnightWhoever...
From: ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: thor
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:50:55 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>On a different note, could some kind soul summarize what has been going
>>on lately with Thor for those of us who don't want to be seen buying the
>>book :)
>
>After a father-son confrontation, Odin regained his own body and
>Mephisto took Loki's soul. Recently, Eric Masterson freed the original
>Thor from his place of banishment. The old Thor gave Eric Mjolnir,
>and told him to safeguard Earth; while he himself planned to marry
>Sif and stay on Asgard as the rightful heir to the throne. Sif meanwhile
>developed an usual relationship with Eric. Whether she is in love with
>Eric or not, time will tell.

    KILL Defalco - KILL KILL KILL Defalco!!!!

    So Thor finally comes back, but he doesn't have Mjolnir!!!  Finally, Sif
has developed feelings for a whining-2-dimensional mortal???  I can understand
a noble, strong hearted Beta-Ray-Bill, but Eric Masterson???????  I hate
Defalco!!!!!!!!!!  He must be taken away from comics forever!!!!

    What kind of stories will be done by Starlin without Mjolnir????  Thor
without Mjolnir ridiculous.  Let's get this straight:  Thor is THE god of
thunder who wields Mjolnir.  In mythology only he and Odin alone can lift the
hammer.  The fact that so many other people can lift it now, diminishes the
grandeur and glory of Thor.

    I'm also sick of Marvel creating stupid clones of some of their greatest
characters:
             Iron Man   -- War Machine (Jim Rhodes)
             Captain A. -- USAgent
                           5 other Caps (I think throughout time)
             Thor       -- the Thor Corps.
                           Thunderstrike, Beta-Ray Bill, Thor of 2020

    These cheap imitations are slaps in the faces to Lee & Kirby who gave us
these innovative characters.  We don't need anymore 2-dimensional clones of
these characters.

    Thanks a lot Mr. Defalco for ruining some of my favorite characters from
childhood.



-- 

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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: I don't hate image....
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:31:57 GMT

I don't hate IMAGE.
of course, I was out of the country when it happened,
and was completely clueless when I got to the Chicago Comic
Con.  When I called Larrys' to find out who the guests were,
ad the fellow there said "We've got all the Image people"
and I said "WHo?" and he gave me the list, and I said
"Oh, fan favorite marvel artists.  Who else you got?"
because I have never bought Marvel (havign limited
funds, and having grown up witrh DC's characters,
those were the books I started with.  I was a thirteen
year old girl with no brotehrs or boyfriend to give
me his Marvel issues, so I just stuck with what I liked.
I have always been more writer oriented than artist, though
I have bought a book simply becasue George Perez did it, or
Charles Vess, or Scott Hampton, or Ty Templeton and
others whose art I'd seen in the books I collected and liked,
but thsoe occurances were rare.

I am sad that since Image has come onto the scene, so much
of DC's market has left, as I've noticed that guys will
keep reading Marvel, and just pick up Image, but will sacrifice the money they would have spent on DC often to do it.  People just don't buy multiple
copies of Dc the way they do Marvel.  Not that I've seen.  Unfortunately, this 
has caused DC to try to be more like Marvel, and pushes huge crossovers
(though thsi started way before Image, I admit) and do damn near
any gimmicky thing to boost sales.  I'm sad becasue this is hurting teh books I used to cleected, the quality has gone down, IMHO, and its gotten
to the point where I only buy SANDMAN, HELLBLAZER and THE DEMON on]
a monthly basis any longer.  I used to buy LOBO books, becasue they amused 
me, but that got old fast.

I don't hate IMAGE.  I personally think Liefield is a joke, and I can't
help it if I start to sing "Puff the Savage Dragon..." every time I
see the big green guy with the fin, but it's too late for me to get into it.
I can't fight for copies, I can't afford to keep picking up new series, what with the DEATH miniseries and poster coming out, and I'm just not interested in 
IMAGE in any way.

I don't hate it, and I can't liek it too much either, becasue of the way it
has seemingly affected the market.  Just my .02



LJC
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From: glaw@jade.tufts.edu (SUPER Gabe!)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: X-Men: The MovieOkay, since the
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:53:56 GMT
	<1992Nov16.112338.20515@yang.earlham.edu>
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

Doesn't need to act very well to play Wolverine. Just give him an attitude and
not a whole lot of lines...
Of course, it seems Mr. Van Damme would need a few more pounds on him while 
he's at it..
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Subject: Re: Superprice for Superdeath????????
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:46:46 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Nov20.195647.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> pjharris@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>I get a call from, of all people, my mother-in-law.
>"Did you buy that new Superman comic book?"
>"Yes, mom...."
>"Good....I just heard on hte news it's worth a thousand dollars.  You
>didn't pay a thousand dollars, did you?"
>"No, mom.....".........."'bye mom.........."
>
>Yeah....right.....a thousand bucks.  My mother-in-law for pete's sake....

Hey, want to give me her number? I've got one I'll sell for only $100 - 
that's a full 90% off of the Overstreet-right-now-at-this-very-second price
guide price!
-- 
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                           | around a saucer of beer."
CompuServe: 74076,1250     | -- Alexander Cockburn, LA Times 11/15/92
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