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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Last chance to mail your questions to a real alien!
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:17:00 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

OK, Guys, I would imagine most folk on alt.alien.visitors would just LOVE to be
able to interact with a real alien.

Well, here's your chance.  I am definitely 100% alien, no crossbreeding, no
messy scars.  I will answer any question you wish to email me.  Think hard--
this chance may not happen again for at least a couple of millenia!

Even if you don't believe I am an alien (of course you cannot PROVE it so
therefore I must be) what questions WOULD you ask an alien?  Ask me, and I'll
answer them.

No time-wasters please.

MYSTERIOUS MUTILATED .SIG FOLLOWS.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Book: The Bible And Ufos (can You Help?)
Date: 23 Aug 92 04:59:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO


 > I think the book you're looking for is "The Bible and Flying Saucers"
 > by Barry Downing.  I have it in paperback, but there is another with a
 > similar title which I have in my collection (I can't remember the
 > author's name offhand).  There are, of course, a number of books which
 > deal in the Von Daankien stuff, but Downing's book is a theological
 > discussion of ET's, the Bible and the implications of contact, and
 > predated Von Daaniken's fluff by several years.

I have a list of available books through ParaNet for the person who originally 
requested this.  Just email me at mcorbin@paranet.org and I will send it to 
you.

Mike

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From: arpowell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Aimee Powell)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Happening
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: military helicopters lights
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 21:26:42 GMT

In article <b1_ncdj.jeffp@netcom.com> jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) wr
tes:
>>
>>
>>What clinical setting?  Hopkins is far from professional in his
>>practices, and as I understand it he uses his studio for these
>>sessions.
>>
>>Aimee
>
>These uniformed comments just get so old after a while. We have a pletho
a of
>other clinicians involved in the study of abduction now, besides the muc

>derided Hopkins and Strieber... Dr. John Mack of Harvard ring a bell? Se
ret Life ring a bell? David pritchard? And hundreds less well known. When
are people
>going to face the fact that the VAST testimony of thousands of people ca
 not
>be dismissed with the blanket statement "Where's the evidence?~ If you t
ok this
>one to a court of law, the preponderance of testimony would be enough to
make
>a ruling...
>So for goodness sake, can't we all become a little better informed aroun
 here?
>Jeff-
>



Uniformed comments?  I hope the uniform *fits*...

If you meant *uninformed*, then you are dead wrong.  To the contrary,
I have read many books on the subject, all of which were written by
"researchers" like Hopkins.  And I have actually spoken to Hopkins
on this subject.  How 'bout you?

The psychologist from Harvard is investigating this phenomenon as
just exactly that, and to my knowledge has not taken the position
that the people he has interviewed are being abducted.  The tech-
niques used by those proponents of the abduction theory have been
called into question by many reputable sources.

Finally, I think that "thousand" is an overstatement.  Even Hopkins
only puts the numbers of "confirmed abductees" in the low hundreds.
And the evidence is far from overwhelmingly conclusive even from those
few people.  In fact, many of them don't believe that they have been
abducted at all.

How much reading on the other side have you done?  Are you as well in-
formed as you would have us think initially?  Or are you calling me un-
informed simply because we don't share the same opinion of all this?
p
I would hope not.

Aimee
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:53:18 GMT

kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:

>In article <1992Aug15.094926.2029@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>
>>They caught people making some.  Isn't that proof enough?
>>

>Well, no.  All I've got in front of me is some ascii text that says
>that someone caught someone else.  That wouldn't be quite enough
>to stand up in court.  

>I want you to name names, cite citations, produce evidence that you
>can prove in a legal sense that your claims are valid.  

>I want to see the lie-detector tests and the "after the confessions
>investigations" and evidence, if any, that the information dug up
>on those confessing is true or false.

>Just your "telling" me that someone got caught is heresay.

>What you "believe" is your opinion.

>I'm digging for my info.  I'll let you know when I get it.

I cannot say that I personally have verifiable evidence showing that the circl
are hoaxes.  But, there was a guy that posted earlier stating that one of
his friend had made some.  Do you believe him?

keith

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From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,sci.skeptic,misc.headlines,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: UFO "October Surprise" and USA TAKEOVER?!
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:32:33 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
NNTP-Posting-Host: leviathan.ce.utk.edu

In article <OTTO.92Aug12155011@tukki.jyu.fi> otto@tukki.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:
>   In article <1992Aug6.143155.25460@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> bunker@physun.
physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker) writes:>   >In article <8B91oB1w165w@
bluemoon.rn.com> garys@bluemoon.rn.com (Gary Stollman) writes:>   [gun 
comments from Gary's clone]>   >In waht way are Canadians Germans UKers and 
Frenchman less "free">   >than americans.
>
>   To start with, they are not free to carry guns.

     In most places in the U.S. people are not "free to carry guns," either.

>
>Nor are we free to drive down the freeway in the wrong direction.
>It's all the matter of what is percieved as too dangerous to be allowed.

     There are a couple of responses to this.  One is that the mere
posession of a gun does not put anyone at grave, immediate risk, while
driving down the wrong side of a crowded highway most certainly does.
     The other is that highways are public property, and the government
does have certain lattitude in making rules to be followed there.  I 
may drive whichever way I please on my own property, and the government
may not stop me.  The same should apply to guns.     

>
>I've never felt the need to carry a gun (even though I've been in some pretty
>tight spots), and I'm glad I live in a society where I don't have to.
>
>The fact that yearly much more people in the United States get killed by
>guns than in Europe of course has nothing to do with gun control, right ?

     In the first place, it is not enough to simply show that *gun 
related* deaths have fallen, if homicides are just continued with other
weapons.

     Second, most of Europe has had low crime rates of *all* sorts predating
their gun control laws.    

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|                                     Division of Continuing Education    |
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: STONE@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Travis R. Stone)
Subject: What is Gary Stollman..really?..
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:53:23 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

Why, Gary, NOBODY is accusing you of being a "crazy artiste"
OR a "Hollywierd" movie maker...Nobody at all.

We're just saying that you're a raving looney who shouldn't
be trusted with anything sharper than a stick of warm butter.

T.R. Stone
University of Nebraska-Omaha
Where Everyone Thinks Gary Stollman is a Howling Nut-Case
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:54:53 GMT

kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:

>In article <24754@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>>keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>
>>1) In any given paranormal scenario, the Believers will believe and the
>>   Skeptics will be skeptical.
>>
>>However once it's been shown how that the paranormal scenario can be
>>accomplished by ordinary means:
>>
>>2) The Skeptics will believe and the Believers will be Skeptical.

>Well Struck, Keith!

>Rick

I didn't write that.  Give credit where credit is due.

keith
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: I AM A ROCK?.
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:03:03 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

randolph@est.enet.dec.com(Tom Randolph) types........
>So how come the rock I have as a paperweight on my shelf here has never 
>moved an inch in the 6 months it's been there?maybe it died cuz I didn't 
>feed it.

Or maybe it was being recalcitrint.

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ARE ETOI SPACESHIPS SHY
OR ARE THEY JUST WAITING
TO SEAL THE ROYALTY DEAL?
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk (Sean Eaton)
Subject: Those Breakdancing Rocks.
Cc: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:12:55 +0000

In article <63840@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Potential Rock Star Owners: The way Dr. Demonde proved that the 
                                                      ******
>rocks were moving was to put a time lapse camers on them and it was 
>found that the rocks move very slowly (the fastest moved 7 inches 
>in 14 weeks time) a sort of expanding and contracting motion as it 
>hunched its way across the table. More to come later.

So Dr Demonde claims to have used time lapse photography to record
these motions ?   How do you know  the effect was not  produced by
stop-motion photography;  have you seen the film ?   You seem very
gullible if you are ready to believe rocks can  move by themselves
on the basis of a roll of film.   That's not proof.

-Sean.

p.s. I took the liberty of changing the Subject: line; I can't see
what  rocks  have to do with  riding on  John's back,  and anyway,
there's too many Re's a.a.v at the moment :-)


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From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Subject: Re: physical evidence
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:06:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.235412.8651@csc.ti.com>, alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones,AMJ1,) writes:
>In article 110@m.cs.uiuc.edu, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath) writes:
>>(If I walk into the police station and tell them that I was
>>kidnapped by Columbian-Iraqui-narco-terrorists, who tortured and 
>>raped me but left no traces, they'll tell me I'm nuts, even though 
>>beings MIGHT exist, and MIGHT even have kidnapped me.  No evidence,
>>no case, thats just the way it is.)
>
>This is quite true.  But it seems that skeptics take the position that if
>there's no case, then it didn't happen, which isn't necessarily the TRUTH.

Exactly.  It SEEMS that skeptics take the position that if there's no case,
then it didn't happen, but they do not necessarily really take that position.
(Yes, I know that's not what you intended to say.)

>>Unfortunately, most abduction claims are made long after the fact
>>in circumstances that are not conducive to solidly factual 
>>recollection--under hypnosis, in pseudo-therapy, after reading 
>>spectacular accounts of such events.  This makes the claims difficult 
>>to establish as anything other than unpleasant fantasies.  
>
>But of course you're aware that these circumstances are not true for all
>such cases.  This is a fairly typical stance taken by skeptics - to point
>fingers at the cases where a known hoax took place, or where a hypnotist
>led a person to fabricate a story.  Why don't *we* focus our energies on
>looking at the really significant cases?

"Significant" as opposed to "known hoax".  That means an unknown hoax is
significant.  Hmm... Ok, it is.  Good thing you didn't say "genuine" instead
(they normally do that in this group).

>Don't we all have the same goal?
>To know the TRUTH??  Unfortunately it seems clear to me that this is not
>the case - the goal of some skeptics is obviously to bolster their own egos
>by ridiculing and insulting those whose beliefs are not in alignment with
>their beliefs.  (Please note that this is a general observation of the
>"skeptical community", and not directed at you, Robert.)

One can have more than one goal.

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From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: 7792
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:39:27 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia

Slight alteration. Please forgive. Plus, I forgot to add my name etc

<near end>
replace 'that' with 'then' in appropriate spot in the Grey abuse
ie 
THEN some officials would be leaking...

sorry about that.

BTW, I've got a .sig for ordinary mail, but how do I get a signature
for news posts? I'm using free uni vax accounts so they don't
like it when students read international news at odd hours, even if it is
off peak on the server. Since I am a little-boss over our VAX in Whyalla
I can get away with it (but if it starts getting heinously expensive,
I have said i would start paying for it). My immediate boss doesn't have
a clue and other bosses take a dim view to frivoulous activities on Uni
property, even if it is payed for.


John McVey
Enic Eng Student + Tekkie level 1 (at 19 no less!!) 
Whyalla Campus, University of S Australia
Direct email to 9051467f@wh.whyalla.edu.au
ordinary (REPLY type) to 9051467f@levels.edu.au
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 17 Aug 92 06:38:21 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug15.094926.2029@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>
>They caught people making some.  Isn't that proof enough?
>

Well, no.  All I've got in front of me is some ascii text that says
that someone caught someone else.  That wouldn't be quite enough
to stand up in court.  

I want you to name names, cite citations, produce evidence that you
can prove in a legal sense that your claims are valid.  

I want to see the lie-detector tests and the "after the confessions
investigations" and evidence, if any, that the information dug up
on those confessing is true or false.

Just your "telling" me that someone got caught is heresay.

What you "believe" is your opinion.

I'm digging for my info.  I'll let you know when I get it.

Rick


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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert Dinse)
Subject: Re: Personal Experience (was Re: Crop Circles?)
Summary: Own Ship...
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 00:42:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.220729.6201@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater) writes:
>
> No matter what the whole story is I still just want my own ship - just
> like the one I saw one night. No lights, no sounds... just gliding thru
> the night following the power lines... leaving me lying in bed, wide
> awake, feeling scared out of my wits.
>
     So do I.  Get's boring just reading about other planets and looking at
a few pictures.  Would much prefer to go explore the wonders of the universe
in person.  Not have to wait to be visited, instead go visiting.

     The limitations of being a human stuck on this planet are frustrating.

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From: STONE@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Travis R. Stone)
Subject: Plants DO Contain crystals!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:35:00 GMT
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I'm no biologist, but I took Botany whilst
an undergrad here at the "U", and in Botany Lab
we peered (via the microscope) at calcium oxalate
crystals in plant cells; there are two types---
needle-like "raphids" and pretty rosebud-like 
"druses" (yes, "druses", NOT "drusi" as you'd
expect the plural to be). My botany instructor,
Dr. Egan, told us that it's the needle-like raphids
that cause the seriuos damage when tots eat the
leaves off the houseplants; the relatively
insoluble calcium oxalate needles act like glassy
little daggers which play absolute Hob with the
child's digestive-tract lining.

T.R. Stone
University of Nebraska-Omaha
Where Alot of us Think Gary Stollman is a Raving Fool
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:05:17 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:

>Sheesh... I know it may sound heartless and cruel and all...

>But why, if we have mental patients posting to the net, can't we have any
>INTERESTING mental patients posting to the net?  I mean, where are the Van
>Goghs of this century, creating brilliant works of art through tortured
>minds...  This stuff reads like low-grade science-fiction.

>I guess it says something about the times we live in...


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*****
It says NOTHING about the times we live in...It "reads" like it does
because it is the TRUTH!!  And you insinuate that I am a mental
patient...I resent that because I was FORCED into ALL those mental
hospitals by this government, which I am going to SUE TO HIGH HEAVEN, and
by enemies who can read minds, etc...YOU wouldn't have lasted five minutes
under the strain of what I have had to go through...I am PROUD that I
ain't some crazy artiste, or Hollywierd moviemaker...


-- 
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 06:36:51 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <63863@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug12.165518.11656@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
  <63914@cup.portal.com>

A person just reminded be that my watch was invented by Dr. Adrijah
Puharich and is called a Teslar watch named in honor of N. Tesla, a 
great inventor.
John Winston.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: mfm0@ellis.uchicago.edu (martin frederic melhus)
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Keywords: aliens, invasion, stollman
Reply-To: mfm0@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:45:51 GMT

Gary - 

Why don't you just move to Fiji, or some remote place?  Blow off
everyone and everything and get out.  I've heard that it's nice
there, and it sure sounds like you need a change of scenery.

-- 
                          | You have all the time from when you remove the |
     Martin F. Melhus     | card(s) from your hand until you put it (them) |
 mfm0@midway.uchicago.edu | on the pile to say "Last Card".  If you don't, |
                          | take your two. - Hidden texts, Book of MauMau. |
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 07:56:50 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Gary: It's good to hear you on the Net. People try to flame
me by calling me you. I know people who just read this net to hear
what you have to say. You may be a lot of things but in my opinion 
you are interesting so keep on posting.
John Winston.
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?)
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:42:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <3389@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com 
(Rick Pavek) writes:
[...]
>To validate his point here...  all you have to do is watch the Republican
>National Convention going on right now and see the President's men
                                            ^^^
But you saw it - so it wasn't covered up, was it?

>viciously supressing the "ACT UP" and other gate-crashers.
[...]
>
>If that isn't an example of the government supressing information it doesn't
>want known, then I can't imagine what would be.

But the point is, they were only partially successful.  They stopped the ACT-UP
guys from being seen by the delegates.  But they didn't make ACT-UP disappear
as if they'd never existed.

Nixon's thugs couldn't keep Watergate under wraps.  Reagan's couldn't keep 
Iran-Contra from the public.  But the Alien Conspiracy (tm) _has_ been 
successful, through no less than 9 Presidents?  C'mon.

	RA
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From: drac@uumeme.chi.il.us (Bruce Maynard)
Subject: Re: A racist argument against handgun control legislation.
Organization: UUMEME Public Access UNIX
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 03:10:16 GMT

Well, in most states here, it *is* illegal to carry a gun around without
special permit(s) (and it's a real pain to go thru the routines to aquire such
a license)... not to mention that, if a person is planning to commit an offense
with a firearm, it's a sure bet that the weapon will be concealed in some way.
By the way, it's a matter of public record that *far more* violent crimes are
committed with weapons that are much easier to obtain... knives,clubs, the
occasional rope, even frying pans, fer cryin' out loud... gun-oriented crimes 
are in the extreme minority of violent occasions here, altho you'll probably
hear many anti-gun fanatics crying that "it ain't so"... we've seen, time and
time again, just how far many of the most rabid anti-gunners are willing to stretch
the truth & even prevaricate (lie, fer all those thatdon't read that much)
in order to promote their cause. Good friggin' grief, even Sen. Kennedy, one of
the most rabid anti-gunners, was charged with illegal possession of a firearm;
certain of these types only want OTHERS to be disarmed.

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