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From: zielke@FOZZIE.NRL.NAVY.MIL (David Zielke)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Beginner
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:45:20 GMT

dtp1@donner.uucp (80733-patricia) writes:
> So now I am seriously considering a sailboat for use on large lakes and
> in bays in the northeast.  I won't have more than two people to crew it,
> but I would like to be able to sleep on board if necessary.
> Is boating just one long maintenance schedule interspersed with moments
> of joy on the water?

I would make a couple of comments on maintenance.  Others may not agree, but
a given boat generally seems to need a 'fixed' amount of maintenance per
year, not per hour of use.  An exception might be changing the oil for the
engine.  However, most sailboats the motor oil gets changed in the spring
and in the fall and never gets near the amount of use which would require
additional changing. 

My use of 'Botany Bay' is rather different.  I take her out at least once
during the week and about half of the weekends during the summer.  Use goes
down to twice a month in the winter.  I also am an oil change fanatic (one
of those people who changes the oil in my car every 2500 miles and my boat
every 20 hours of run time)  I have found that both need changed at about
the same time and so I do both.  I installed a pump to remove the motor oil
from the engine in the boat with the flick of a switch and so I change it
right after comming back from sailing instead of having to run the engine
for 30 min to get it hot.

At any rate, I digress, even with the amount of use which 'Botany Bay' gets
I don't perceive an increase in maintenance requirements.  If anything
because I am out on the boat so much little things get done all the time.


David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Recomend good LORAN ???
Date: 1 Sep 92 12:56:29 GMT
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)

steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey) writes:
>Also, its ``time to go'' function seems brain dead, inasmuch as it
>just divides the distance by your speed over ground, ignoring your
>course over ground.  You could be heading directly away from the
>waypoint at it would still give you a non-infinite time to go.

	Hmmm, interesting problem.  How would you like it to calculate your
TTG?  The thing has no way of knowing, for example, that you're tacking
upwind.  Given problems like that, it really can't do anything very smart
with TTG anyway, so it might as well just do the most straight-forward
distance/speed and not worry about heading.

	Now, an Occam, that's a different story.  It should be able to tell
from your apparant wind angle that you're close hauled, calculate your VMG
to windward, and show TTG as distance to windward to the next waypoint
divided by your VMG to windward.  Of course, that's probably a $1000 custom
software module option.
-- 
roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
From: michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: TPI Build Quality
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:47:45 GMT
Reply-To: michaels@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Michaelson)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

>It might be interesting to compare the really large J's (44s perhaps)
>with Aldens. They probably are a bit closer in craftmanship.

I've logged over 3000 miles on a j-44 and while the in terior is fairly
functional, some of the finish ain't great. The little things like the
fit of the drawers and associated hardware, and cabin sole panels, etc.
leave something to be desired. During the 90 bermuda race, the navigator's
seat and one of the nav station drawers broke. it's amazing how aggravating
things like that can be when you're cold, wet, tired, and 400 miles
from land. Despite the interior, the deck layout and hardware is top
notch; great for cruising or racing. Also, a j-44 will sail circles
around almost any Alden. I guess it depends on where you want your bang
for your buck.
rob
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: General 800 number info (Was: Boat US 800 number)
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:59:24 GMT
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)

sglickma@hopi.intel.com (Steve Glickman) writes:
> Does anyone have the 800# for Boat us insurance?

	One of my pet peeves is people asking for 800 numbers on the net.
I guess it's not common knowledge that you can call 1-800-555-1212 and get
any listed 800 number (many are not listed, alas).
-- 
roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: ss@tamarack16.cray.com (Sandra Swanson)
Subject: Re: Boat US 800 number
Originator: ss@tamarack16
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:55:46 CDT


In article <BtLyF6.DJ3@nntp-sc.Intel.COM>, sglickma@hopi.intel.com (Steve Glickman) writes:


> Does anyone have the 800# for Boat us insurance?
>                              thank
> --


The insurance number (info & quotes) is:  800/283-2883.


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Cray Research, Inc. - ss@tamarack.cray.com
655F Lone Oak Drive
Eagan, MN     55121     -     612/683-5815

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From: gt@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (George Tatge)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:51:35 GMT
Subject: Ideal Solo Explorer?
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats

Ok, I'm looking for opinions...

Lately I've had an uncontrollable desire to turn my need for danger
and adventure to the sea.  In particular, one or both of the polar
regions.

So, I've been contemplating what would make the ideal boat (with a 
motor, no sails) for solo crewing to such places.  I'm thinking
along the lines of 40-50 foot trawlers with double steel hulls and
multiple compartments.

What would you take on such a trip?

g (getting bored with bungee jumping from helicopters over forest fires) t
From: roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:53:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Public Health Research Institute (New York)

bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:
>I was once told to give old flares to the coast guard, or to the fire
>department - they would pass them on to the army who could dispose of them
>"safely"

	Cleaning out my mom's basement a couple weeks ago, I found some old
outdated flares (both handheld and gun-fired).  I attempted to give them to
the local fire department, who refused to take them, suggesting the
DPW/Recycling Center.  They also refused to take them.  A few days later,
we stopped by NYC Police Department's bomb disposal unit (happens to be
near where I live; they put on some very impressive shows in the weeks
before July 4th getting rid of confiscated fireworks).  They also refused
to take them, pointing us to a local precinct house which is the home of
the bomb squad.  We never got that far, I ended up just dumping them on
somebody else to deal with.

	Clearly, there is something askew with the who marine pyrotechnic
industry.  Recently, I've noticed that every new H/P laser printer tonor
cartridge I buy comes with a pre-paid UPS shipping label to send the empty
back to H/P for recycling.  Perhaps that's what needs to be done with
flares.  If Olin wants to make money selling flares, they should also take
expired ones back and deal with disposing of them safely.

-- 
roy@wombat.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016, USA
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
From: pavlov@niktow.canisius.edu (Greg Pavlov)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: MerCruiser Trim
Keywords: MerCruiser Trim Power
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:20:01 GMT
Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208

In article <1992Aug24.145647.3122@hemlock.cray.com>, ss@tamarack16.cray.com (Sandra Swanson) writes:
> 
> All of our prior boating experience has been without the benefit
> of power trim and we are somewhat confused about how one knows when
> best trim has been achieved.  
>
  This is totally unscientific (I'm sure someone else will try to provide 
  that aspect...), but when I first encountered power trim/tilt, I was told to
  adjust it up or down, a little at a time, until the minimum amount of
  hull/enging vibration was felt.  This seems to work fine overall....


  pavlov@fstrf.org
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: rickf@pmafire.inel.gov (Rick Furniss)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 03:43:19 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Bayliner myths: a challenge
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: na
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

>In article <1992Sep3.190840.26391@cs.ubc.ca> goldberg@cs.ubc.ca (Murray W. Goldberg) writes:
>When my boat approaches any speed greater than 40 MPH, I make
>damned sure that nobody is within 1/2 mile of me, and I keep
>a sharp eye out ahead. I also have a navigator on board, just
>in case I miss something.
>

A:   Speed boats should be in a competition area, or other designated area
   well away from Sis, Mom and Pop. If not, they are a hazzard to the public.
   They should not be buzzing the local family's,  PERIOD.

B:   I,m just a beginner and know that the largest wakes are caused at X speed
   which is never MAX speed.  My 24ft Bayliner creates max wake at about 7 kts.
     Maybe someone out there knows the formuli for this ?

C:   I have noticed that the only complaints about Bayliner boats are from NON
   Bayliner owners ?   Hum you guys must be jeoulous or something ?

D:   It appears so far that no one has meet the challenge this thread is 
   suppose to be based on, HUH ?

***** standard DISKclamer *****
personal views of my person only

CPSMEL/IA
C210 N3877Y
rickf@pmafire.inel.gov
rickf@servprod.inel.gov


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From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Bayliner myths: a challenge
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:43:50 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, goldberg@cs.ubc.ca (Murray W. Goldberg) writes:
>Am I the only one who sees an inconsistency here? Hmmmmm...

Remarkable, isn't it?  Perhaps it was a practice session for the annual
"Niagra Falls Leap For Safety".

-- Bob

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Robert J. Hanners         "My comments; only mine."          *DIASTOLE* 676673
CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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From: legacy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (wayne.m.simpson)
Subject: Re: porta-potti
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:17:08 GMT
Summary: my 2 cents...
Keywords: heads, pollution

In article <GS#PABB@b-tech.uucp> jon@b-tech.ann-arbor.mi.us (Jon Zeeff) writes:
>While I can see it in a harbor or other crowded situation, I've 
>wondered why everyone is so hyper about heads being dumped overboard.  
>In something as big as the chesapeake, we are talking about few small 
>drops in a big bucket.  I suspect that the same money could be spent 
>in other ways that would be much more effective in reducing water 
>pollution (say increaded enforcment of factories and home owners).  

   It's not just a few drops. Its a great many turds with more coming 
every day, and a bucket that doesn't empty itself too well. I'm all for
enacting and enforcing legislation against businesses and municipalities,
but a turd is a turd, and yachtsmen's turds don't belong in the water,
either.

>The heads I've had have always ground things up and it sinks.

   And I've stood on deck in Nantucket Harbor and watched turds (whole)
and wads of toilet paper drift by a few feet under the surface. Either
way, it sends the fecal coliform count up and makes the water unsafe for
people to swim in. The ocean's a pretty big place, too, but municipal
runoff often causes local beach closures due to coliform.

>What's next - killing the fish because they relieve themselves in the water?
> They probably have more effect than the few boaters.

   Nature takes care of the fishies. Nature didn't figure on millions
of recreational boaters and their leavings. "No dumping" is the law. You
either follow it or risk the penalties of getting caught.
   When I bought my boat, it had a direct discharge head. I installed a 
Mansfield TDX-S treatment system. It cost me about $300.00 (3 years ago),
works fine and is legal to use in all but area designated as "no discharge"
zones by the Coast Guard. Even ther, we can still use the head as the TDX
has a holding tank, we just can't treat and pump out.
   Either you're part of the solution, or part of the problem.

***************************************************************************
                                      Wayne Simpson, Technical Editor
(insert standard                      National Catalina 27 Association
        disclaimer here)              wms@spin.ho.att.com
                                      (908) 949-0482
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Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: callahanj@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Old Town vs. Nature Bound in 14'
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:14:03 GMT

I am looking for a small canoe that I can use on local streams.  I decided
against a 12' Pack canoe as they are too short, tubby, and tippy.

So....
Does anyone out there own an Old Town Hunter canoe they want to sell at a
reasonable price?  What is reasonable price?  I can get one for $640.
Scratches and dings are acceptable.

I am also thinking about Nature Bound canoes.  They are in lovely
Winchendon MA and make fiberglass canoes.  I haven't been out to look at their
product but I am interested in learning anything readers might have to offer.

Thanks.

Callahan@libvax.ulowell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: gpaul@phx.mcd.mot.com (Gerry Paul)
Subject: Advice on Purchasing a Canoe
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:37:26 GMT

I am a new reader to this group.  I would like some advice and product 
recommendations before purchasing a canoe.
I would like a canoe that is suitable for lakes and calm rivers.  The main use 
would be for short day excursions with little gear.  
I would like the canoe to be large enough for two adults (occassionally three 
adults on a short trek around a local urban lake).
I want to keep the price to about $500.
One product line that seems to fit is the Old Town Discovery series, which 
comes in various lengths from about 14 to 17 feet.  I was particularly 
interested in ther Discovery 146K, which is 14' 6" with a keel.

I would appreciate any information/advice/expericen that you have regarding 
the type of canoe that I am looking for.  In particualr, is a 14' or 15' 
boat stable enough for two or three adults nd little or not gear, or am I 
better off with a 16' or 17 canoe.
  
Please respondther to the net or email: gpaul@phx.mcd.mot.com
  
Thank you for your help
From: jfs40@andromeda.uucp (John F. Stephan)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Wanted: New Zealand info
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:20:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep1.160949.25197@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>I will have the oppotunity to be in New Zealand from
>December 26 - January 8th.  I would like to spend that
>2 weeks paddling.  Does anyone have information on
>places to rent equipment, or contacts down there?
>Is it easy to find boaters to hook up with?  Will
>I need to rent a car?  What should I bring (my own
>paddle & spray deck)?  And any other questions I
>forgot to ask.
>
>--Chris		websterc@ncar.ucar.edu

Cars are very expensive in NZ, but how else are you going to run your shuttles?
Actually, you may be lucky enough to find some Kiwis who are headed out
on holidays at that time of year.....

I would recommend the South Island since it is less populated and more
spectacular in scenic splendor.  There are plenty of interesting rivers to
keep you busy for two weeks.

Try getting a hold of Brian Lodge in Christchurch.  He can rent you
equipment and maybe even set you up with a guided trip or some local people
who are headed out on an extended trip.  Bring your own paddle, & warm weather
boating clothes.  They have good boats but a real lack of decent paddles.

Brian Lodge
87 Smith St.
Christchurch, New Zealand

phone:  891-906         810-299
When you phone, don't forget to check the time zones!

hopefully this information is still current; it's been a
couple of years since I've heard from Brian.  He runs a 
shop, a school & is an avid kayaker.
_______________________________________________________________
John Stephan                     jfs40@ate.amdahl.com
Amdahl Corporation               amdahl!juts!andromeda!jfs40
1250 East Arques (M/S 298)       FAX: 408 992-2926
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: Blue?  How is it?
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: co
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:52:12 GMT


In article 15290047@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM, atb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Andy Brown) writes:
>Have fun,
>andy "okay, i know there are a couple of class V runs you can do for 5
>   months out of the year (i.e. bailey, gore, poudre narrows) in
>   colorado, but where the hell are the good play spots in september" brown

Westwater man.  It's the only surfing in this state (I know it's actaully
in Utah).

--Chris

From: sylvia@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Sylvia Budak)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:17:32 GMT
Subject: Blue?  How is it?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle


 
   A couple friends and I were thinking of doing the Blue in Colorado in the
near future, but none of us have run it before.  One member of our party 
does class III with some class IV.   My other friend and I have just started
kayaking this year and do class II with some class III.  Does anyone know
what the river is rated at for various flow-rates?  What would be a good 
section for us to do?  Is it too much for first-year boaters?  We all like 
surfing and pop-ups :-), although only the more experienced member of our party
is any good at it. 

Thanks in advance for any information,

Sylvia
From: simons@tuntu.think.com (Joshua Simons)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: kevlar canoes
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:23:22 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: tuntu.think.com


A co-worker asks the following question:

   My husband and I are seriously considering buying a kevlar canoe.  (We
   need the light weight.)   We're looking for something  on the "stable,
   recreational"   end, as opposed   to high-performance.   We are pretty
   thorough novices at this.  Does anyone have any  advice they can offer
   as to brands, models, etc.?

Does anyone have any tips/advice/recommendations? Something that is available
in the Boston area is preferred, I think.

Thanks for your time.

-josh simons

--
simons@think.com
thinking machines corporation
245 first street					tel: 617.234.2844
cambridge, ma  02142-1214				fax: 617.234.4444
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: toddl@ecs.comm.mot.com (Todd Leigh)
Subject: Going to Gauley Fest (was Re: Squirt Boat Wanted)
Organization: trunking_fixed
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:37:26 GMT
Summary: Yeah
Keywords: GauleyFest

Hi Kim.

>Matt, you made it to West Virginia...The Gauley Festival is Sept 26th in
>WV.  I have never been  but am going this year and I have heard you can
>pick up a ton of equipment at good prices.  I guess last year they had
>kayakers from every state but 2 and someone from every continent.  do you 
>belong to AWA? their latest magazine has all the details.  Might be worth 
>drive if you can make it.  I'd be glad to post more information if you 
>like.  Anyone else going to the Gauley Fesitval?

I'm going to Gauley Fest for the first time.  It'll be my first time down
the Gauley too.  Some river gods agreed to take me.  See you on the river.

Todd.

PS: Matt, you made it to Chicago.  It doesn't sound like your mailer likes
dc as a valid distribution.

-- 
Todd Leigh                Motorola Inc.      Opinions expressed here are
toddl@ecs.comm.mot.com    Schaumburg, IL     not those of "THE MANAGEMENT"
Facts all come with point of view. Facts don't do what I want them to.
                                           - Talking Heads
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: sbranch@well.sf.ca.us (Kim Clancy)
Subject: Re: Going to Gauley Fest (was Re: Squirt Boat Wanted)
Keywords: GauleyFest
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:06:09 GMT


Wimper and cry, unless the river gods bless me,  I won't be on the river
that weekend.  My boat is on layaway and one I borrow will  be more than
likely in use.  The place I take kayak lessons from will be selling their
school boats at the festival.  So if you see a tall women with long brown
hair crying and moping about you'll know its me...ah but after a few beers
I'm sure I'll get over it....Never done the Gauley yet, but plan to once
my skills get better.  I may be working at the festival as a volunteer, I'll
let you know and you will have  to come by and say howdy. OK.  Kim
From: shaw+@CS.CMU.EDU (Mary Shaw)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Re: Info on Cleveland WW Clubs Needed
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:18:27 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

Look for the Keel-Haulers.  They may be in the phone book; at least the
(affiliated?) store might, and they would know.  Alternatively, call
the Pittsburgh Corps of Engineers bbs at 412-644-6562 and leave mail
for Steve Ingalls.  He'll surely know.
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: kgo@comm.wang.com (Kirk Olsen)
Subject: Baidarka info (disappearance)
Summary: lost connection
Keywords: baidarka
Organization: Wang Labs
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:24:47 GMT

About 2 weeks ago I posted a request for information about building baidarkas.

Just my luck my employer declared chapter 11 and our internet connection took
a 10 day sabatical.  If anyone tried to contact me and the mail bounced,
I think I'm back.

kirk
kgo@comm.wang.com
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
From: andyh@microsoft.com (Andy Held)
Subject: Re: Wanted: New Zealand info
Date: 03 Sep 92 21:14:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: new zealand, awa

_American Whitewater_, the journal of the Amer. WW. Affiliation (AWA)
had a cover story on New Zealand in the May/June (i think) 1992 issue.

It answered all your questions about where to rent, what rivers, etc.,
and suggested additional reading.

--->  Pay the $20 and join AWA.  You get their rag for free.  It is the
*only* periodical that I religiously read the day it comes (cover to
cover).  And they do good stuff to protect free flowing rivers.

ENDEAU,
-andy
From: djcst19+@pitt.edu (David J Casassa)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle
Subject: Info wanted on Black River
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:46:21 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Hi.  I suddenly find myself with an opportunity to paddle the Black River,
near Watertown, New York.  I'd be grateful if someone with firsthand knowledge
could fill me in, or for a pointer to a source such as a guide book.  My main
concern is with difficulty of the river; other considerations might be ease of
access, scenery, pollution, volume, how important rainfall or dam releases
might be.  Thanks!

Dave Casassa
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