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From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: porque soc.culture.croatia y no soc.culture.cadapaislatino
Date: 13 Dec 92 17:41:42 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1992Dec10.145217.6900@gw.wmich.edu> x90sanson@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>Me parece bastante injusto, que mientras paises como Croacia, de creacion
>relativamente reciente tengan su propio grupo, se englobe a toda America Latina
>en uno solo, en lugar de subdividirlos en paises como Dios manda.
>
>...un simple comentario...
>
>Enrique

Lo que pasa Enrique es que aqui somos internacionalistas (a pesar de lo
que digaa pablo de mi supuesta fobia contra el argentino).  Cierto es que
en algunos momento los latinoamericanos se han tiroteado entre si por juegos
de futbol, pero, por lo general hemos respetados las diferencias nacionales
sin tener que acudir a la confrontacion armada a lo croata/bosnio/serbio.
Ahora bien los paises latinoamericanos mas grandes (Mexico y Brasil) tienen
sus propios grupos y hay una variedade the grupos que no son parte del
usenet.  Te confieso que a pesar de los flames que aparecen por aqui de vez
en cuando, tendemos a ser un grupo de personas bastante civilizadas, por
algo seremos "latinos". Heh, heh, heh...

Edelmiro
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: NEWS:Noriega a POW & Geneva Rules A
Date: 12 Dec 92 08:11:26 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

The propagandists at the NY Transfer News Service write:

>NORIEGA WILL SERVE SENTENCE IN CIVILIAN PRISON

>Federal District Judge William Hoeveler ruled on Dec.  8 that,
>although Manuel Noriega is to be considered a prisoner of war, his
>sentence can be served in a civilian facility, as long as the
>standards of the Geneva Convention regarding POWs are observed.

>The decision was a defeat for Noriega's lawyers, who were
>petitioning for him to serve his sentence in a military prison.
>Hoeveler did say, however, that being held in a maximum security
>prison would violate Noriega's human rights as a POW.  Noriega is
>currently being held in a basement cell in the Federal Court
>building in Miami, Florida. US attorneys want him to be confined
>to the maximum security prison in Marion, Illinois, where he would
>spend 23 hours a day in solitary confinement, with only one hour
>for exercise. (edlp 12/09 from AP)

>[NOTE: Marion is the site of one of the USA's notorious special
>control units for political prisoners, which have been strongly
>condemned by Amnesty International and other human rights groups
>for conditions that include isolation, sensory deprivation and
>psychological torture. -- NY Transfer News.]


This is truly revolting.  Now we find that this "News service" is involved 
with the defense of a very dangerous convicted drug trafficker and terrorist 
with direct links to the Medellin mob.  Not only do they imply that his 
"rights" will be violated by being sent to Marion, but they seem to suggest 
that we should keep him in minimum security prisons where he can be rescued by 
his friends in the Cartel.  Its incredible how we tolerate this support for a 
criminal with a lot of blood in his hands, who has benefitted from the 
poisoning of our youth.  How can they complain that Noriega will be in 
isolation.  This guy will not be tortured at all.  He will not even be talked 
to, but simply kept locked up for forty years.  ?What did he expect as 
compensation for his criminal activities? ?A pass to a white collar 
correctional facility equipped with golf courses and tennis courts?  No, 
Noriega should begin his Bible lessons and learn that his hideous behavior will 
not be excused.  He better learn to live with himself. Let's hope the "News" 
Service doesn't begin protesting that Noriega isn't allowed to finishe a 
college career for it would violate his human rights.

Edelmiro
From: urena@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Richard Urena)
Subject: Re: 4:40 songs (estrellitas y duendes)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:08:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.140358.1@acad.drake.edu> emr002@acad.drake.edu writes:

Muy buena traduccion, pero hay un par de cosillas:

>Me toste en tus mejillas		       I'll burn in your cheeks

     = I burned in your cheeks (past tense)

>Me quede en tus pupilas mi bien		       I'll stay in your eyes, my love

    (ditto)

Nevertheless, great job!  If I find the time, I'll post some other
lyrics to the net, particularly of some songs that have a lot of
Dominican vernacular.

Oops, empece' en espan~ol y cambie' a ingle's.  Bueno, espero que
me haya dado a entender.

Saludos,

-- 
  -=[                      Richard Urena                      ]=-
  -=[                urena@titan.ucc.umass.edu                ]=-
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Cuban Rights Advocate Beaten and Detained
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:21:38 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Ray,

I heard once that Camilo Cienfuegos had some sort of policy disgreement
with Fidel before his misterious pland "crash".  Do you know anything on 
this story?

Edelmiro
From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: NEWS from Chile 12/11 ed-lp
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:34:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:9T8RVB6w165w@nyxfer.uucp:1063278126:000:2020
Nf-From: nyxfer.uucp!nyt    Dec 14 14:34:00 1992


Subject: NEWS from Chile 12/11 ed-lp
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


Via The NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit

edlp 12/11

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman.  "el Diario/La Prensa" is 
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.


ALWYN ASSURES HUMAN RIGHTS WILL BE RESPECTED IN CHILE  

Chile's president Patricio Alwyn said on Dec. 10 that the 
problem of those arrested and disappeared during the previous 
military regime is a wound in the soul of Chile's people, and 
promised to study accusations of excesses committed by police 
during his government. "We know about the existence of arrested 
and disappeared people whose bodies have not been found," so the 
family could give them proper burial, Alwyn said during the   
commemoration of the Declaration of Human Rights and the 14th 
anniversary of the Chilean Commisson on Human Rights. He pointed 
out that his government created the Corporation for Reparation, 
to compensate families of victims and look for some 2,000 people 
who disappeared during the previous regime. He assured the 
country that the practice of respect for human rights was not 
just a theory but would be practiced permanently under his 
government.  The Chilean Human Rights Commisson is headed by 
lawyer Jaime Castillo Velasco, who was deported twice under the 
miltary regime. (edlp 12/11 from P [sic])


MOYLE MURDER INVESTIGATION MOVES FROM SANTIAGO TO LONDON

The investigation of the March, 1990 murder of British journalist
Jonathan Moyle intensified when the lawyer of the deceased's
family announced he would go to London on the morning of Dec. 13
to study "secret documents" that could clear up the crime. Moyle,
who wrote articles about weapons trading, traveled to Santiago to
see an international exposition which the Chilean Air Force had
organized. He was found dead in his hotel. (edlp 12/11 from AFP)


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From: nyt@nyxfer.UUCP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Chile:Xtian Dems 93 Candidate
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:19:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:k3uTVB3w165w@nyxfer.uucp:-564366033:000:1210
Nf-From: nyxfer.uucp!nyt    Dec 15 14:19:00 1992


Subject: Chile:Xtian Dems 93 Candidate
From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)


Via The NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit

From el diario/La Prensa 12/14/92

Translated and edited by Toby Mailman. "el Diario/La Prensa" is 
a Spanish language newspaper published in New York City.


Chilean Christian Democrats Announce Candidate for 1993 Elections

The Christian Democratic party in Chile announced on Dec. 13
that Senator Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tangle will be their candidate in 
the presidential elections in December of 1993. Aside from being 
the head of the party, Frei is the son of former Chilean 
president Eduardo Frei Montalva (1964-1970). The party's 
president said that among the main tasks for the next government 
are to continue the struggle against extreme poverty. He said the
new government will defeat anything which threatens democracy. He
also pointed out that the next presidential term must incorporate
respect for the dignity of the workers as a permanent fact and 
clarified the role which the country's youth should develop. 
(edlp 12/14/92 from AP)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.mexican,soc.culture.misc
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Subject: International Software Assignments
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:55:20 GMT


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From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Mexico gains dictatorship status
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:33:18 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

According to the Americas Watch Mexico has joined the family of nations
with dictatorship status since:

Mexico suffered the violence related to the elections,
street executions, limits on labor rights, the killings of
journalists and the impunity of those reponsible for the worst
violations of human rights.

No wonder they don't want to "interfere" in other peoples buisiness, they
want to keep the world from interfering in their naughty behaviour.  Perhaps
that's why they're so cozy with Castro.

Edelmiro
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Mexico and Somalia
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:41:59 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In article <1gdnucINNi1b@girtab.usc.edu> pablito@girtab.usc.edu (Pablo Kleinman) writes:
>Edelmiro:
>
>Donde salio eso de que a Clinton se le propuso eliminar la C.I.A. y que el este
>pensando seriamente en hacerlo? Teniendo en cuenta el pais en que vivimos,
>espero que esto no termine con otro atentado/asesinato... :(
>
>          -Pablo
>
>  
Pablo,

Esto de que Clinton va a aliminar la CIA lo propuso un mexicano aqui en la
red.  Fantasias como estas se las imaginan los tontos en la "izquierda" que
ven en Clinton a su mesias salvador, pero parecen olvidar que la plataforma
de Clinton es una de c e n t r o, especialemente en lo que concierne a la
politica exterior de mi pais. Estos personajes tetricos invoca la a figura
de Kennedy para probar su tesis, pero se olvidan que las politicas de Kennedy
eran unas politicas muy agresivas en lo que toca a la lucha contra el
comunismo (e.g., Alianza para el progreso, Cuerpos de Paz, Embargo a Cuba,
Sitio de Berlin, etc., etc.).  Ahora pretendenr ser ellos los responsables
del Clintonato cuando en realidad fuimos los liberales y centristas los
que aseguramos la eleccion de Clinton para que cambiara nuestras politicas
economicas, no nuestra politica exterior, que segun el mismo Clinton,
nos ha ido bastante bien.  Por ello es que hay que tomar estas especulaciones
de personas en causas perdidas que and buscando redentores, como meras 
especulaciones ridiculas y, como dije en el articulo, le puedes cambiar
el nombre la ACI y todo estara igual que siempre, nuestro estado siempre
contara con la mejor agencia de inteligencia en el planeta.  Lo intersante
es que tales fantasias sobraron despues de la muerte de Kennedy hasta el
punto de que tus vecinos se pasan haciendo peliculas fantasticas sobre
especulaciones interminables en torno a la muerte de nuestro muy querido
presidente anticomunista John Fitzgerald Kennedy.  Son tan ridiculos que
hasta insinuan en sus delirios paranoicos de que la ACI fue la que mato
a Kennedy.  Si fuera asi, te aseguro que ya hubieramos eliminado a Castro
desde hace tiempo.  Como vez Pablo no hay que estar perdiendo el tiempo con
esta gente que anda con delirios de persecucion y le besan los pies a 
cualquier moderado que este un poquito a la izquierda de nuestra derecha con
la esperanza de encontrar un salvador.

Edelmiro
--
>Pablo Kleinman
>Hollywood, CA, USA
>pablito@scf.usc.edu
>FidoNet: 1:10/100
>Fax/Data: +1-213-874-7276
>--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: jcs@sal_jean.com (Jean Carlo Sandy)
Subject: Re: Clases sociales en Latino America.
Reply-To: jcs@sal_jean.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:27:44 GMT

> Hay o no discriminacion en Latino America? y si hay, en que se basa
> esta discriminacion?

Me imagino que en diferentes paises la respuesta es diferente (lo dudo). 
Mis comentarios aplican a la zona Andina de Latino america.

Definitivamente existe discriminacion en paises como Ecuador, Peru Bolivia y muchos
otros donde la poblacion tiene bastante tinte indigena. Uno de los paises mas "racistas" y donde su agudiza tremendamente este problema, es Peru. Quizas porque
es el pais que mas indigenas tiene. Se trata de cubrir el racismo con el problema
de clases pero la esencia de la estratificacion, creo yo, es basicamente racista.
Puede ser coincidencia que los indigenas pertenezcan a la clases sociales mas afectadas
pero realmente yo no creo esa clase de coincidencias. 

En Bolivia, y hasta cierto punto Ecuador, se ha desarrollado una concientizacion de
identidad que se ha demostrado atraves de la musica y el arte en general pero 
a nivel de poder politico y economico todavia existe esa discriminacion contra el indigena por ser indigena. 



Jean Carlo Sandy           
NYNEX Science and Technology			 
White Plains, New York       			
email: jcs@nynexst.com


Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: Texaco Poisons Ecuador
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:15:40 GMT

nyt@nyxfer.UUCP wrote:
: 
: Subject: Texaco Poisons Ecuador
: From: nyxfer!nyt (NY Transfer News)
: 
: Via The NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit
: 
: 
: TEXACO POISONS ECUADORANS
: 
: By Charles Tucker
: 
: A continuous, long-term oil spill in the Amazon forest of Ecuador
: is destroying the forest and the life system it supports there.
: 
: Texaco has extracted more than a billion barrels of oil in 25 
: years of pumping in the jungle. But the U.S.-based multi-national
: corporate giant has ignored the effects on the surrounding 
: communities and the delicate ecosystem of the region. Ecologist 
: Judith Kimerling made this assertion in a report issued by a 
: group called SALVAM (Save the Amazon).
: 
: "Indigenous communities in the region have lost their livelihood:
: there are no animals to hunt, the rivers are dead and lack fish, 
: and they can't plant because the land is now sterile. Residents 
: of the area suffer headaches, lung, skin and intestinal diseases,
: and birth defects," Kimerling reported.
: 
: There have been continuous minor and major oil spills over 
: hundreds of miles of oil pipeline through the region, according 
: to the report. In 1989 one such accident dumped 294,000 gallons 
: of oil into the Napo River.
: 
: As a result 31 Quechua communities in the area lost their crops. 
: But they received no aid or indemnification whatever.
: 
: "Just in the past two months there have been three oil spills at 
: Texaco facilities," the report continued. The biggest affected 21
: communities. "The cause of the spill was human error, but [it] 
: was worsened by the lack of a containment plan to limit and clean
: up the spill to the extent possible, and aid those affected."
: 
: A "firm" agreement between Texaco and the Ecuadoran government to
: protect the people's right to a contaminant-free environment has 
: been completely ignored. The problem affects not only Ecuador, 
: but all humanity, the report emphasized.
: 
: (Copyright Workers World Service: Permission to reprint granted if
: source is cited. For more info contact Workers World, 46 W. 21
: St., New York, NY 10010; email: ww%nyxfer@igc.apc.org; "workers"
: on PeaceNet; on Internet: "workers@mcimail.com".)
: 
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Too bad I don't have a car, so I could start boycotting them ...

/Mats
-- 
Mats Bredell                                   Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)     Ph:  +46 18 187817
Department of medical systems                  Fax: +46 18 187825
Sweden                                         Think straight - be gay!
From: mossiar@bio2.acpub.duke.edu (Dante Mossi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: School Uniform
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:16:36 GMT
Distribution: soc


	Regarding uniforms in high school, I am from Honduras, and students are
forced to wear high school uniforms so they can be distinguished easily. Most
public schools students wear the same uniform, private schools get to wear
whatever they wish. The case for the uniform at public schools, I think, is to
give some recognition to people that is at school. In my country the opportunity
cost of even elementary school is too high, so people are forced to work from an
early age, illegal, but not enforceable. Finally, mass production of uniforms
introduce some scaling effects in the price of clothes, so uniforms are cheaper
than regular clothes. Also, wearing an uniform make students worry about courses
they take, not what they'll wear! 

Dante Mossi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: pablito@girtab.usc.edu (Pablo Kleinman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: probando
Date: 12 Dec 1992 14:00:55 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu
Keywords: prueba

In article <1992Dec10.162656.274@cc.uab.es> ikbe2@cc.uab.es writes:
>  probando, si puede entrar en este grupo desde mi cuenta.

Obviamente si. Benvigut!

          -Pablo

--
Pablo Kleinman
Hollywood, CA, USA
From: rravelo@orion.oac.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: Cuban Rigths Advocate Beaten and Detained
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:53:31 GMT
Distribution: soc

In article <GILBERTO.92Dec16123447@ba.zzz.pe.u-tokyo.ac.jp> gilberto@zzz.pe.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Herrera Ruiz GILBERTO) writes:

>Mi querido Gus Ano:

 Ese "calificativo"  solamente lo usan los comunistas mas empedernidos, pero
 te dire' que estoy orgulloso de ser gusano y orgulloso tambien de ser
 CUBANO y tu no pareces estar muy orgulloso de ser comunista ya que lo sigues
 negando.....

>Veo que un dia no fue suficiente, 24 horas solo para encontrar un
>adjetivo ("rojito"), me estas quedando mal, esparaba ver algo mejor,
>pero no te preocupes mi pasiencia es tan grande y tu inteligencia tan
                         ^^^^^^^^^
 Muy bien mi querido azteca, tu tienes pasiencia, pero yo tengo paciencia
 y creo que un poco mas de inteligencia que tu tambien ya que no creo en
 el sistema comunista que esta mas que probado que no "camina" ni a las
 buenas ni a las malas!
 
>poca que nos vamos a llevar muy bien... Primera Clase: Los Pieles
>Rojas o "rojitos" (supongo a esto te referias con lo del calificativo,
>te dio miedo que te cortara la cabellera no??) eran una tribu de los EU,
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^

 Segun tengo entendido "pieles rojas" se refiere a todas las tribus
 de indigenas en los EUA, no a una solamente. Pero, si tu eres indio
 estoy seguro que sabes mas de eso que yo!

>en latinoamerica los pueblos indigenas eran los Aztecas, Mayas Incas etc.
>esto para que aprendas un poco de Geografia Historica mi querido Gus.
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Oh, y yo en mi estupidez creia que el estudio de las razas y su
 distribucion era mas bien relacionado con antropologia! 

>Cual es el minimo IQ que piden en Irvine, supongo que es muy bajo y tu
>apenitas lo alcanzaste no???, o se me hace que por pertenecer a las
>minorities te dieron chance de entrar, de seguro que hay pocos
>marielitos estudiando no??? o trabajas limpiando el piso de centro de calculo
>como Edy???, por favor platicame todas tus penas que para eso esta la
>solidaridad latinoamericana!! trataremos de ayudarte!!!!!

 Bueno, no se' si soy "minoria" ya que todo el mundo me dice que parezco
 un gringo de verdad, pero te dire' que no soy marielito tampoco.

 Segun el ultimo Organizational Chart mi titulo aqui es Assistant Director
 of Computer Operations.
 
 Y tu que?

 Hasta luego camarada, ahora tengo que ir a una conferencia.

--
Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
From: rravelo@orion.oac.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: ALAI:Cuba:Encuentro de Mujeres
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:20:04 GMT

In article <1473800414@igc.apc.org> sangu@igc.apc.org (David Sangurima) writes:
>
>From: David Sangurima <sangu>
>Subject: ALAI:Cuba:Encuentro de Mujeres
>

 Mucha caca borrada para ahorrar banda.

>- Las convocamos para hacer una gran ronda de amor que proteja la
>vida, m'as all'a de la muerte que hoy nos ofrecen los planes de
>los poderosos de la tierra.

 Entonces esta reunion va a tener que hablar en contra de Castro porque
 el es el unico poderoso en la isla y el es el que esta hablando de
 "Socialismo o muerte" nadie mas!
 
 Saludos,
--
Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 13:37:37 EST
From: <CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Latin Baby NAmes
Distribution: soc

From: gilberto@zzz.pe.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Herrera Ruiz GILBERTO)
Subject: Re: Latin Baby NAmes
Date: 15 Dec 92 06:56:16 GMT


In article <104796@bu.edu> rodin@acs.bu.edu (luis del) writes:

   To the kind woman having the baby. Please don't bother with those long lists

   If its a girl Victoria.

   If its a boy Luis Antonio

   You wont go wrong, I promise you.


   sincerely,
*******************************************************************************

LO DE ARRIBA ERA DE LUIS ANTONIO!!
LO DE ABAJO ES DE ANTONIO SOLAMENTE!!!

Estoy de acuerdo con Luis Antonio, pon Antonio a tu hijo. No se
arrepentira nunca.:-<)

Antonio.
From: rodin@acs.bu.edu (luis del)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Mafalda
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:27:44 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: rodin@acs.bu.edu


Mafalda, and sccool uniforms, WHat the hell is going on in here. Let us get back to basics.


Luis