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From: shelley@b17c!b11.ingr.com (Shelley Read Heard)
Subject: Re: Fly Line to 2lb test (beginner)
Reply-To: shelley@s5048.b17c.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:49:48 GMT

I knew a man who lived on the Clinch River (3 miles below Norris Dam)
outside of Knoxville TN who fished for the big browns in that river.
He used an 8'6" graphite fly rod with 5 wt. line and he put one of 
those eyelets in the end of the line and tied about 10 feet of 5X
leader material to it.  He fished flies from size 20 up to #10's
using that same configuration.  He was GOOD at it.  Never bunched his
leader up.  One of the most successful flyfishers I ever knew.  I
would not try this if you are a beginner, though.  The physics are 
not in your favor.

Aside:  I saw a pair of waders in a catalog the other day (Cabella's ?)
        which had a water proof zipper!  'Bout dam time!  8-)
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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: rpark@btss03.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Reply-To: rpark@bell.ca
Organization: OD, Bell Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:00:35 GMT

My list would be:	

1) Muskie : I only landed 1 out of 3 hooked so far while bass fishing. Hooked one	
            last summer that went airborn for about 5 yards and sent my line 
            screaming.

2) Coho Salmon : Once hooked, this fish will just go crazy all over the pool at
            very high speeds.

3) Steelhead: Intelligent fish but can be coaxed into biting 2lb line. Action can
            get quick and exciting. I had a pool to myself last year where I
            landed 5 one right after the other. Onced hooked in a pool they 
            get airborne and can do headshakes. My favorite fish to persue
            because presentation is so important and the average week-end 
            fisherman doesn't know enough to get even one fish.

4) Brown Trout : River resident fish can fight hard if you are lucky enough to
            hook one. Probably the hardest fish to fool.

5) Smallmouth Bass:  Pound for pound the fightingest freshwater fish. Plently
            of action if you hit a school of smallies.
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: brcarls@hubcap.clemson.edu (Brian R. Carlson)
Subject: Re: Bass Rod Choice
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:27:57 GMT

pisarevsky@b56vxg.kp01.kodak.com (Arkady Pisarevsky) writes:

>What I needed the rod for was to fish topwater (pop-r and spooks), 
>spinnerbaits, rattle traps, and small crankbaits (rebel wee-rs, some poe's 
>and the like). I decided to go with a graphite stick with a straight cork 
>handle that is 6'6" long and is rated for lures in a 1/4 to 5/8 oz. range 
>and line in 6 to 12 lb test. 

If you have the possibility of catching a fairly large bass (<4 lb.) I 
would go with a stiffer rod  Medium to Medium Heavy action maybe? recommended
line around 10-14... You need the heavier action especially if there is 
much structure in the lake or pond you will be fishing in.

>I would have preferred to go with a graphite rod that had a fiberglass tip, 
>If anybody knows of another rod/line of rods like that, I'd love to hear 
>from you. One can never have enough rods, ya know :-)

Doesn't Shakespear make a fiberglass tip rod called the Power Pole?

semper ubi sub ubi!

Brian
From: pike@fishing.East.Sun.COM (Steve Pike - Sun Customer Service)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Fly Line to 2lb test (beginner)
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:41:00 GMT
Reply-To: pike@east.sun.com (Steve Pike - Sun Customer Service)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Billerica MA
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>I am trying to tie my 2lb leader to my fly line.  I have been trying
>to use a blood knot.  Is this what I should be attempting, or should
>I tie heavier mono to the fly line with the blood knot, and then the
>heavy mono to the 2lb?


I'm sure your going to get a lot of responses but,
here'smy 2 cents :)

You have a few choices. My preference is to use an Orvis
braided loop that`s designed to go on the end of your
fly line. Another choice is to use 25LB mono. Use a 
nail knot to join it to the fly line. Tie a loop on the
other end to attach the leader. Both of these options
use the loop method which I find the best. I can change 
a leader in seconds and don`t have to destroy it to
make a change. The reason I like the Orvis loop is because
it doesn't need two knots. It works like a chinese finger
trap. It's flexable, allowing the leader to turn over without
either being to stiff or weak (causing a hinge). 

Now about that 2lb leader: If you want to use straight
2lb mono, put a loop in one end and join it to the loop
you just tied onto your fly line. Depending on what your 
fishing for you may want to think about a tapered leader.
They turn over better and IMHO present a fly better.

Steve
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 13:15:54 EDT
From: Rick LaFay <34MD4AK@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: 2 piece rod(s)

My opinion of two piece rods is that I don't care for them. I once
lost a nice salmon because a two piece rod broke at the junction.
admittedly it was not an expensive rod but...

For strong fighting fish I would stay away from them. For medium bass
and bluegills I guess they are fine.  I have in days gone by cast
and had the end come off. Then I usually get some large fish to take
my bait as I am trying to retrieve the other half of my rod. Oh well..


Rick LaFay             rlafay on BIX            ACIS COMPUTERS
(517) 773-6490                                   (616) 587-8827
MT. PLEASANT MICH                                MANCELONA, MICH

Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: gcp1815@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: Droppers, fly fishing, and the way to do it
Reply-To: gcp1815@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:01:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.143303.26794@col.hp.com>, bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call) writes:
>tomg@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Thomas J. Gilg) writes:
>> 
>> > Instead of using droppers that fork off the main leader with a 90 degree
>> > "T" intersection, .....
>> 
>> 
>You can tie the lower chain leaders to the eyes of the upper fly
>instead of on to the bend of the hook.  This seems to work well
>and keeps the upper hooks away from the the thin leader a bit.


	I made the original post on fishing droppers via the "chain
rule." Someone else suggested 2" long T intersections instead. I ask 
"why bother?" What's the difference to the fish between 2" off the
leader and 0"? The chain method works as well, is less likely to 
tangle, and is quicker to rig.

	Also, someone else suggested chaining from hook-eye
to hook-eye. This is how I originally learned to do it. But attaching
droppers to the eye of "strike-indicator" grasshopper causes the 
hopper to sink head first, like a dying submarine. Attaching at the bend
does not interfere with hooking, and the hopper floats much better.


Sandy Pittendrigh
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: Droppers, fly fishing, and the way to do it
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:33:03 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

tomg@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Thomas J. Gilg) writes:
> 
> > Instead of using droppers that fork off the main leader with a 90 degree
> > "T" intersection, .....
> 
> Can you fish barbless on the mid flies without having the trailing line
> slip off or the barb area cut the trailing line?   (Jack Dennis comment
> I heard awhile back)
> 
> 
You can tie the lower chain leaders to the eyes of the upper fly
instead of on to the bend of the hook.  This seems to work well
and keeps the upper hooks away from the the thin leader a bit.
 


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From: rich@locus.com (Rich (the Wiz) Silva)
Subject: Re: tandem lures/droppers
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 20:10:29 GMT

    How do you tie a dropper loop you ask.... Well, there are a few
    ways...

    The easiest I have found certainly is a "Blood Knot". Hmmm, lets
    see, how to describe this....  Make a loop in your line the size
    you want the dropper loop as if you were coiling a rope.  Where
    the line is doubled, twist the line at least four times, then pull
    the loop between the two lines in the middle of the twist...
    tighten carefully, if you're using a heavier line, you might want
    to moisten the line...

    Faster is to use a spider hitch... You form the loop by doubling
    the line in your hand, the tag ends toward your wrist, the loop in
    front of you... with the doubled line coming off your thumb, you
    now take a few turns (3 <= n <= 8) back "up" your thumb towards
    your hand, now, take the loop and pull it under those turns
    allowing the line to be pulled off your thumb by the tension...
    Tighten carefully...  I have also used this knot to replace a
    Bimini twist when there is a fast bite on (if you remember some of
    my other posts, you know I fish Saltwater mostly).

    Now that I have you all confused... And I WONT try to explain the
    Bimini Twist in a Post... Anyone else wanna try?

    All of these knots become easier with practise... Another use of
    this is to not leave the loop, but to cut it near the knot...

    Rich



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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 13:32:41 EDT
From: Rick LaFay <34MD4AK@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: 2 piece rod(s)

Yah know after my comment badmouthing 2 piece rods I got to thinking. I had
remembered the two piece rods of years ago. I now primarily fish bass and
walleye with one piece rods out of my boat.

I haven't done much salmon fishing the last couple of years and had forgot
about my 12' foot noodle rod that is a two piece and I adore that rod. Not
to mention 6 or 8 other two piece rods that are hanging on the wall that
I haven't used for awhile.

I guess I will retract my earlier comments about two piece rods ( hear the
sound of my foot being removed from my mouth ) and just say that you should
stay with a good quality rod and avoid the cheapies.

My favorite manufacturer of late has been Shimano. I bought one of their
baitcasting reels a few years ago and have had nothing but good luck with
it.  I too feel a little hesitant about buying from a Japenese company and
was interested in an earlier post that said their factory was in California.
Anyone know if the company is Japanese or?

Rick LaFay             rlafay on BIX            ACIS COMPUTERS
(517) 773-6490                                   (616) 587-8827
MT. PLEASANT MICH                                MANCELONA, MICH
From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry tURner)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Spring Chinook Technique of the Week
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:45:50 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.


	Well I thought I would pass on something I learned at the ol'
	sporting goods store last night about spring chinook fishing.

	For those of you that fish for chinook, a method that has been 
	successful and is gaining popularity is to troll or back troll a
	large flatfish or kwikfish wrapped with a herring or anchovie fillet
	underneath.  The fillet is wrapped with the flesh side out and the 
	lure action combined with bait can be very effective at times 
	particularly when back trolled into a known holding area.

	I learned a variation on this last night.  A popular item the last
	couple of years has been a product called bait butter which is like
	a scent but it is more like ground bait mixed with petroleum jelly 
	that can be spread on lures to give them a fresh bait smell.  An 
	affective alternate to the wrapping method above is to put some 
	sticky back velcro on the underside of your flatfish or kwikfish and
	smear it with bait butter and voila! you have a suburban wrapped 
	flatfish.  I bought my bait butter and went to the craft store for 
	my velcro last night.  My wife only shakes her head.

	Isn't it amazing the outrageous things fisherman will do to try to 
	catch a fish?  I may not be the first in line for new gimmicks but 
	you will usually find me in the top 20 :*).

	Tight lines.

	Terry

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Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: dave@pathfinder.dtw.macsch.com (dave hendrie)
Subject: Re: Great Lakes fish
Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corp.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 13:01:37 GMT

In article <1992Mar31.140033.18337@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> bobk@fir.lle.rochester.edu (Bob Kremens) writes:
>In article <1992Mar30.144831.1143@osf.org> bsmith@osf.org (Bruce Smith) writes:
>>A poster in rec.food.cooking recently wrote that fish from the Great Lakes
>>were not fit to eat, because of pollution. I'm assuming this is at least
>>partly true. Is it true of all the Great Lakes? All the fish?
>>Bruce Smith
>
>I think that the fish from Superior and parts of Huron may be OK to eat.  
>Here on lake Ontario the NYS fish and game commission recommends that
>you EAT NO FISH over about 24" from lake Ontario. The fish that they catch
>on the shows from lake O will kill you dead... (not really)
>
>Keep fishin'
>Bob Kremens

I've recently heard the Michigan DNR say they are lifting almost all 
restrictions on Michigan, Superior, Huron, and St. Clair. The levels of
toxins have dropped dramatically since 1982 and the amounts retained by
the gamefish (salmon, trout, walleye, perch,etc ) have fell in result.
(Still, make sure you trim the fat!)

 
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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: What Gives with the Gunnison?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:05:15 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

Does anybody know why the Gunnison between Morrow Point and the North
Fork has the look of split pea soup?  I was down there last weekend.
In fifteen years of fishing there I've never seen it so bad.  The water
is not particularly high (about 600 cfs), but was a thick, murky green.
Globs and particles of seaweed were floating everywhere.  You had to
clean your lure/fly after each cast, even if you never touched bottom.

What gives?

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-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: templin@grayling.cs.berkeley.edu (Fred Templin)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Droppers, fly fishing, and the way to do it
Date: 6 Apr 1992 17:37:55 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley, University of California Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grayling.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <00958A94.EFDCB6E0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu>, gcp1815@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
|> 
|> 	But there is a better way to derive good fly fishing with 
|> multiple flies. I call it the "chain rule." Instead of using droppers
|> that fork off the main leader with a 90 degree "T" intersection, 
|> just attach new fly in turn directly to the bend of the hook in front
|> of it. One very good system is to use a foam-bodied grasshopper as 
|>  
|> Sandy Pittendrigh     

Sandy, I was quite interested to see your post. I got this "religion" from a
friend of mine while fishing a White Fly (Ephoron leukon) hatch on a stream
in Pennsylvania last year. (Coincidentally, the friend had visited the Bighorn
in MT. just a couple of weeks earlier, where this system is used extensively!)
During a hatch, fishing this system with a dry as the lead fly and an emerger
as the trailer gives almost an unfair advantage to the fisherman. Also, when
fishing nymphs on the bottom, I find that two are almost always better than
one, and the system you describe is the way I always rig them...
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From: tbasche@itlwrk.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Basche)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Good Fishing Spots
Keywords: Fishing, lakes good
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:59:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: itlwrk

Hi,
I am new to this alias.
I just moved to ca and I live in Los Altos.
I am looking for a good place to go for a weekend
to camp and do some good fishing.
We do not have a boat, though I have a canoe(a wide wooden one)
Any suggestions for places to go where we would actually catch fish ?

Thanks,
Todd Basche
email tbasche@sun.com
phone 415-336-4821
From: dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu (David Kardelis- I am the NRA)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: beginner looking for rod
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:58:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr16.035802.17810
Reply-To: dak@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign


	I am looking for help in picking out a rod and reel.
I am interested in a good rod for a beginner and casual fisherman, 
and would prefer a two piece rod for convenience sake, the four
piece rod someone mentioned would be great since I could easily take that 
camping. How much does a good 4 piecer cost, some reason tells me it
is probably more than I want to spend. Thanks
				dave
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From: kcw@kodak.com
Subject: GIF pictures of bass 
Followup-To: alt.fishing
Reply-To: kcw@kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:54:22 GMT


A color GIF pictures of smallmouth bass and a large mouth bass (eyeing a
stick bait) was posted to alt.binaries.pictures.misc.

Makes a nice screen background for a fisherman.

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From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Fly Line to 2lb test (beginner)
Keywords: Duh!
Date: 9 Apr 92 04:01:29 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Distribution: usa
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

>>
>>I just bought a fly rod, and have never used one before.
>>
                              .
                 [stuff about leader knots...]
                              .
			     
Mark,

    I forgot - the Trileen leader pack has the nail knot on the back
    mapped out in something like four steps/diagrams.....

Good Luck!
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re : fly lines
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:56:45 GMT


>I need to buy a fly line -- actually, two lines, since I just got a
>new reel.  I'd appreciate any and all comments on what's good, what to
>avoid, etc.  After looking around for a little wh ile, I have a few
>specific questions:
>
>1.  Is it true, as John Gierach says, that a 5/6 wt. rod is designed for
>       5 wt. double taper, 6 wt. weight forward line?

I think that this will vary slightly with each rod. Fisher uses this system,
although my 9/10 throws a 9WF really nicely, and throws an 11 just as well.
Good tackle shops often keep several reels loaded and will let you try
them on your rod. For a 5-6 you may want to try both in WF and DT, and try
a 7 in an intermediate density (WF) for windy days.

>2. Is Cortland's 333 line, cheapest that I've seen (sorry -- cheap is 
>      important right now!), a good deal, or cheap junk?  Conversely, 
>      is Cortland's 444 line twice as good (being about twice ass
>      expensive)?

I have a 444SL big game taper that, from the few times I've used it so far,
casts great for what I need, but  I did a double take at the price. All
of the major brands are charging major bucks for their high end line, and
yeah, costs of R&D, etc. etc. A 333 is IMO a fine line for most fishing.
The new lines from Fenwick look real interesting, especially the tapers
for saltwater and steelhead. At $29 they'd be a good deal if they perform
well and hold up for a couple of years, but I haven't gotten a chance to
try them yet. I think the biggest difference between the more expensive
lines and the cheaper ones is durability. I've bought some 'no-name'
specials for $15 that were great for about 1/2 season, then they didn't
seem to float as well, etc. No, I take good care of my stuff, so that
wasn't it. For cheap a 333 is a safe bet, though.

>
>3.  Who makes LL.Bean's lines?  They seem reasonably priced -- am I
>      overly cynical to imagine that they're not what they seem?
Don't know who makes them, but one key thing about Beans is the way
they stand by their products. If it doesn't hold up I bet they'd replace
it free - at least that's what they do with their backpacking stuff...

>
>4. Is Lee Wulff's Triangle Taper line as good as the guy in the 
>      fly shop claimed for roll casting?
Haven't tried it, but I like a DT line for roll casts, especially in real
small streams, and you can buy one a lot cheaper than a TT.

I was wondering if we should give reports on various lines we may try
during a season. Sure, different casters will like different lines, but
it may be helpful to hear others' experiences before shelling out the
(gag) $40 for a top end line.
From: terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry tURner)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Delaware shad run is on!!!
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:02:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Apr16.145049.27440@cbfsb.cb.att.com> dks@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (douglas.k.steckel) writes:
>Netters:
>
>Is there not one soul out there that gets excited about the spring
>shad run? I haven't seen any trafic on the net about it so I'll get 
>the ball rolling.
>
	[stuff deleted]

>Anyone out ther interested in the"poor man's salmon"? How about Shad
>runs on other east coast rivers?
>
>Doug Steckel

	According to the fishing calendar my wife gets me every year for
	christmas, you are a week late.  The Delaware shad run was supposed
	to begin on exactly April 11 :*)  Other calendar events of note are
	the "Blue Winged Olive Hatch" (size 18) thru May 15 on eastern waters,
	and the "Quill Gordon Hatch" begins on eastern waters tomorrow.  I'm 
	sure these bugs know that no deviations from schedule are accepted.

	The Columbia and Willamette get huge shad runs starting around the 
	end of May.  This is one species that seems to thrive even in the 
	face of all the dams in the Columbia.  They are fun to catch and 
	pretty good eating if you can get past the bones.


	Terry

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