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From: foax@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:    Amiga Future?!?
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:55:41 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

In article <gromyko.03ta@sputnik.rhein-main.de>,
gromyko@sputnik.rhein-main.de (Michael Grom) writes: 

>>>>>	* faster harddisks to speed up swapping
> 
>>No, just more memory for a larger disk cache.
> 
> You cannot resolve the problem of hard drive access with bigger and
> bigger caches. Okay, I double the size of my smartdrv.sys chache and wait
> and see the results, if any.

Do you have Windows 3.1?  If so, are you using smartdrv.exe instead of
smartdrv.sys?  I've heard that this is a much faster, more effective
disk cache than smartdrv.sys.

-- 

--Colin Howell			email to howell@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu
--Cornell Astronomy Dept.	(hopefully switching to computer science)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Obituary [Amiga's] in Silicon Valley newspaper
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:04:16 GMT

thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:

>GL is also (today) proprietary, though I understand it's been licensed
>to IBM for the RS6000 boxes.

>And GL also does *NOT* operate over the net onto X-terminals or any
>functional equivalent, so one would have to buy a complete SGI box
>for every "seat" in a multi-user GL-based application.  This is
>simply not acceptable for MANY end-user applications.

  There's an article in this week's Digital Review, which talks
about the OpenGL specification (vs PEX as a 3D standard).  It would
seem to address both of your above complaints.

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Evan Torrie.  Stanford University, Class of 199?       torrie@cs.stanford.edu 
Embrace rationalism, reject superstition.           Break away from the past.
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS Names - what they are...
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:42:35 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Jul19.183029.268@cs.rose-hulman.edu> catapcnl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Chris Lawrence) writes:
>Distribution: World

>I've seen so many wrong OS and GUI names in this forum, I've compiled a list of  
>their *real* names.  

>Sys.	GUI		OS

>IBM	Windows/OS2	(PC-/MS-)DOS (Arrogance II) 

Actually, OS/2 has nothing PC/MS-DOS lurking underneath.  Windows is more 
qualified to be called the OS in a Windows system, while PC/MS-DOS is basically
what it says, the DOS.

>Amiga	Workbench	AmigaOS [Not AmigaDos]

The GUI in the Amiga is really Intuition, while Workbench is a GUS (Graphical
User Shell).  You could use a different graphical shell just as you can use
UNIX-ish command-line shells rather than AmigaShell.

>ST	(Multi)TOS	TOS (The Operating System, Arrogance III)

The GUI/GUS on the ST was called GEM last I heard.  I though TOS (Trameil OS)
was basically a name for the ST's version of GEMDOS.  GEMDOS was DRI's way of
getting GEM to run on a non-MS-DOS machine.  It seems that GEM was very MS-DOS
specific, so it couldn't run over DRI's real 68000 OS, CP/M-68K.  So rather 
than rewrite GEM, the hacked up GEMDOS, some castrated CP/M-68K spinoff (well,
a CP/M-68K fan originaly told be this story) with MS-DOS function calls.  I
guess, like the Windows<->MS-DOS relationship, that GEM was significantly more
complex than the DOS living underneath it.
-- 
Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"
   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh      BIX: hazy
	"Work like a horse, drink like a fish"	- Psychefunkapus
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: How to Save the Amiga FIRE MR. GOULD SHAREHOLDERS!
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:11:09 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

>			<stuff deleted>
> 	The thing that you miss is that Commodore US has
> absolutely nothing to do with development of the Amiga line.
> Final decisions in that arena go straight to the top.
> 				        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is the point I would like to make.  There can be NO REAL CHANGE
unless upper-level management at C= changes.  This is likely to occur
only if a large number of shareholders make it happen.

> 	The response from Commodore US (I believe it was US) was
> damage control. They can't do diddly about the problems. Although
> you may hate their pricings and lack of advertising, they can do
> nothing about what machines are made available to them.
> 

Equally powerless (it seems) are they  from making significant changes
in company policy, huh?

> 	The person with whom your (and my) complaints lie is
> Irving Gould, and he is NOT going to change his mind. He is not
> senile and knows what he is doing.
> 

Shareholders directly control who sits on the board, eh...

> 	As to stating all their plans for the next three years,
> companies develop many products that never come to market. As
> well, it does not seem that production time is predictable, and
> management acceptance of new products is clearly not to our
> liking.
> 	-- Ethan

So what do we do about it?  Wait for C= to decide supporting the
product they sell is in their best interest?

DISCLAIMER:  Any opinions expressed are not intended as a critism of
Amiga developers, programmers, enginneers, or technicians.  Clearly
they  bear no responsibility for the problems discussed herein, and
with the rest of the Amiga community represent, IMO, the only chance
for the Amiga to maintain itself as a vibrant computer platform.  I
wish them only the best in a development evironment that I can surmise
is quite difficult and frustrating, sometimes.  gambatte kudasai yo!

/*I'm not flaming anybody but C= upper-management so lighten up,
eh...-)*/  
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka_
From: remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard)
Subject: re: Commodore Address!
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:31:41 GMT

>I really doubt you did do us proud.  Amiga owners get enough flames as
>it is for their attitude towards other machines.  Going to the newsgroups
>of another system and flaming them, whilst praising the Amiga, won't
>get Amiga owners, or the Amiga, any respect.

>Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
>              "Friends come and go, but enemies accumulate."


First of all, I had just finished installing Windows 3.1 and OS/2 and it was a legitimate posting as I had legitimate problems with them.  I simply stated that given the memory resources and hard drive requirements, Amiga handled itself admirably in this area!


By the way, did you even bother looking at it.....



>I really doubt you did.



-Jason Remillard
MicroLab Assistant
University of Manitoba - DOWNTOWN

remillard@ceddwntwn.lan1.umanitoba.ca

<standard disclaimer.>
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:51:40 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Distribution: world
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <mykes.09ag@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:

>Now for the really sad part:  How many machines (models) has apple released
>this year?  

Apple came out with a new Quadra this year.  Those, and the laptops, were
reasonably interesting.  Things like LCs and Classics are just powered down
rehashes of old Mac IIs.

>Why has Apple and NeXt come out with 040 based machine months and months ago 
>while there is no 040 Amiga.

Marketing.  Apple and NeXT required it, C= marketing decided for the moment 
that the 3rd parties were doing the job.  

>Why make Unix run on an Amiga instead of designing a real machine designed 
>to run Unix well?

The A3000 certainly was designed to run UNIX well.  Anything necessary to
make AmigaOS run well will also make UNIX run well, since they have the
same basic constraints.  Since UNIX uses X for a display, the speed of the 
Amiga graphics chips is a non-issue -- if you don't like the built-in
graphics, get an AmeriStar 1600GX board or any number of other graphics
boards, just like you would for any other system (well, most NeXTs aren't
expandable, so I'll change that to expandable system).  



-- 
Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"
   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh      BIX: hazy
	"Work like a horse, drink like a fish"	- Psychefunkapus
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Games on consoles
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:04:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.182623.7547@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>Star Trek: 25th Anniversary takes 4 hours to load on a 286, 2 hours on a
>386, and an hour on a 486 running at 8 mhz.
>
>thom

	What exactly do you mean by load?  Do you mean to install it, in which
  case it took my 486 a lot less time then yours.  Why are you running your
  486 at 8 mhz by the way?  I can't remember how long it took to install but
  it certainly wasn't an hour.                                 

							G.Greene
From: t9114145@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PC World's John C. Dvorak Speaks Out...
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:24:28 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <3433@faatcrl.UUCP>, jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
> t9114145@phillip.edu.au writes:
> 
>>I like some of Jerry's writing, the stuff that comes in paperback novels.
>>I don't care much for his other fiction, the stuff printed in Byte.
> 
>   Look closer, the stuff you like is probably coauthored by Larry Niven, I
> never cared for anything Jerry wrote by himself.  Anything with Larry's name
> on it, alone or in collaboration is great.
> 

Yep, they're the ones I mean. "The Mote in God's Eye", "Lucifer's Hammer",
"Footfall" etc. Didn't like "Oath of Fealty" as much, it was more like a
regular novel than SF it was so plausible. Just read "Ringworld" too, might
find some more Niven books after that.

>   -jack-
-- 

Adam Eberbach      		| The clever men at Oxford
t9114145@phillip.edu.au         | Know all that there is to be knowed.
Computer Science student, 	| But they none of them know one half as much
Phillip Institute of Technology.| As intelligent Mr. Toad!
From: Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= speaks!!! let's spread the words!!!
Distribution: world
Date: 29 Jul 92 09:50:49 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Tue 28 Jul 92 16:14, Jdickson@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (jeff Di
wrote:

 JD> Doom has been lurking for some time. I subscribed to AmigaWorld near
 JD> the
 JD> beginning of this year. In every single issue persons have voiced
 JD> their
 JD> negative view of Commodore's treatment of the Amiga in such columns
 JD> as
 JD> "Chief Concerns". Why now is Commodore finally taking notice? Because
 JD> some
 JD> hotshot Silicon Valley reporter got on their case? Don't we count?

  It's strange you know? I have always felt that this year was the year of
the circle because a lot of things just seem to be coming full circle..
both personally and otherwise.

  Remember way back in earlier issues of Amiga World? How the letter
columns turned to, "WHAT THE *&^& IS COMMODORE DOING UP THERE IN WEST
CHESTER?!" and various articles on how the Amiga is dying and Commodore
better start going.

  Then Commodore came out with the influx of new machines.. 2000 500
others. Then it started to come up again.. 3000 released.. now it's coming
back full force again. People are sick and tired of seeing nothing while
Macs and IBMs
pass them up in all the areas that the Amiga debuted at.

  It's pretty sad.


 JD> And how come nothing from C= has been posted here? Why must we hear
 JD> about
 JD> _everything_ second hand? Does C= really give a shit or are we just
 JD> along
 JD> for another joy ride?

  Probably. It's really hard for me to believe that Commodore West Chester
is closed 3 out of 5 days a week and when they are open, the developers are
sitting around playing the newest games or EuroDemos. I just can't believe
that is happening. So what are they doing? Who knows?

  Look at the 128.. what was it? A glorified 64 that Commodore quickly
dropped. What is the 3000? A glorified 2000 with a bigger price tag. What's
the 2000? A 500 with a box.

  I mean, it's been in Commodore's history that upgrading meant something
totally different. Instead of processing speed and ram capability.. they
seem to concentrate on things that aren't expensive to them in the long
run. 

  Like the 2000? I really couldn't see the point of saving up an extra 500
to 700 dollars JUST to have a box that can hold a Toaster? SO WHAT?! I can
still get a hard drive for this machine.. it may be slightly more
expensive.. but it's less overall?

  Their supposed upgrading schemes just don't make any damn sense to me.


Mike.. 



-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

UUCP.. yeah? So what?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Subject: Re: OH MY GOD...I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAW
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:56:04 GMT

WOW... a ... a ... a ... commercial.  What a concept... maybe some of
those new CBM marketing execs secretaries actually came up with an idea
while his/her boss was sleeping, forged his signature for authorization,
and slipped it through the mail slot.

Thom

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: PC that kicks butt
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:07:43 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

Hey, maybe one of you PC advocates here can help me out.  I have a friend
whos 386SX PC got zapped in a lightning storm and wants to upgrade with the
insurance money.  He seems fairly impressed with my accelerated 2000, 
(Gforce 030/40mhz) so I'm trying to find a new PC in his price range that
will be pretty gosh darn nice for a couple of years.  (His wife won't let
him buy an Amiga, so thats out :( )

This is what I'm suggesting so far:

386DX or 486SX with 64K cashe.  Speed: high as $$$ permits
8 mb ram
local buss slot
120 meg harddrive
Diamond Speedstar 24 video  (or equivalent)
PanaSonic C1395             (ditto)
1.44 & 1.2 meg floppies (obviously)
ser and parallel ports (ditto)
SoundBlaster (ditto)

Does anybody know of a name brand company that sells such a beast?  And
a good $$$ for this?
Don't suggest any Joe's garage or basement brands, 'cause I doubt if he'd
buy it.  Thanks.  Any reasonable comments will also be appriciated.
Please no flames, as this is an honest request.

E-Mail or Post.

Fred H.
fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amigas are *HOT*
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:30:48 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

>>>  Maybe you should just buy a Powerbook 100 Greg :-)
>>>  $899 for a 4/40 version at Price Club.

	Powerbook... yecch!  The keyboard is cheesy, the trackball sucks,
the screen updates are dog slow, the boot time is long....  I'd rather go
into debt and buy a full-size Mac than this PowerBook toy.

	The above is all just my opinion.  You are welcome to disagree.

                                                        Dan

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| University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA  01003  --  barrett@cs.umass.edu |
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ps:	Gleep is really, really coming.
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= speaks!!! let's spread the words!!!
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:45:40 GMT
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1992Jul29.231420.20061@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
> In article <1992Jul29.212035.29966@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>They're all a whole lot more than that.  The 3000 was a total rewrite
>>of the Amiga itself.  A new bus, new arrays, motherboard SCSI, a whole
>>new system, practically
> 
> 
>    Like the minimal amounts of funding that Commodore has put into AmigaOS
> since 1985; I mean, it took six years for Commodore just to redraw the 
> Workbench and make it look nice!  Like concentrating on making the Amiga's
> CPU faster and faster and faster through the development of CPU boards like
> the A2620 and A2630 and the development of the A3000, without doing anything
> to improve anything else about the Amiga.  Like the development of the ECS,
> which.....
>
	Sometimes I think Commodore was very near death in the late eighties.
	I mean, their stock was at $4.  (didn't they have some kind of 
	litigation against them?)  C-64, C-128 was not selling.  They
	spent all their capital buying the Amiga etc.  

	Maybe there is no big conspiracy and they just did all they could 
	do with what they had (not saying someone else couldn't do more with 
	same :-) )  Of course this would make advocacy less fun :)

	Maybe Commodore has their house a little more in order now and
	things will improve.  The problem is, things happen at warp 
	speed in the PC world mostly do to the vast amounts of cash that
	they generate.  IMHO,  PCs do what they do OK.  The Amiga is still
	much more fun though.

>>(: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :) :)
>>(:"The person who said size doesn't matter was probably a very small man":)
>>(:	gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu			Gregory R. Block         :)
>>(: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
> 
> ---
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> -----------------------------------------------------
Fred Heitkamp   fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu  ** Not an organization **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:00:13 GMT

parris@cs.scarolina.edu (Barry Parris) writes:

>fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

>>In article <62536@cup.portal.com>, TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>> Point of reference, a DELL 386DX-33 with 4MB ram, 80M HD, supervga and
>>> monitor, DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1, 24 hour on-site service for 1 year
>>> is $1550.
>>>
>>	You know, I'm curious.  How do these people sell so cheap?

>Volume!  Volume!  Volume!

  And the fact that these companies spend miniscule amounts on
R&D, and have no dealer channel (they sell direct).

-- 
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Embrace rationalism, reject superstition.           Break away from the past.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: catapcnl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Chris Lawrence)
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 00:29:42 GMT

Distribution: World

In article <20196@sbsvax.cs.uni-sb.de> fettig@sol.cs.uni-sb.de (Thomas Fettig)  
writes:
:jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
:: Quoted from <mykes.09nb@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> by mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike  
Schwartz):
:: 
:: > policy (in case you don't realize it, Bush and his men have guaranteed
:: > the reduction of nuclear weapons in the world by 80% by the year 2000).
:: 
::     I'd prefer Bush to win, and I'm not even in the US... :) I don't
::     know about the rest of the politicians involved, but from what
::     they've shown here of Clinton, and what Bush has done for the last
::     N years...
:: 
:: > Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
:
:Perhaps you Americans should notice that some sort of change (or crisis)
:is happening in european countries too. The problem with the existing
:political 'class' (our politicians don't act but only react)
:seems to get more and more obvious after the communists in the east 
:were blown off. The political situation was too stable for +40 years,and
:we have a group of politicians that had never really to cope with new
:surprising things. Think about the last decades before gorbatschov, what
:really changed? Not much. There was talk about ecologie(sp?) and crisis in the
:'third world', but there was no pressure on politics to change things.
:I mean pressure you can't simply ignore like some people demonstrating.
:Pressure in the sense of having no money to do something and being forced
:to think about another way to get it done.
:Now we seem to be in a situation where there's only the choice between
:really not changing things in the one or in the other way. Strange.
:Why we notice things now?(and not earlier?) Because the deficiencies(sp?)
:hit us now. The majority was to lazy or to blind to see. 
:And so were and now are the politicians . Not that surprising .
:
Personally, I believe that European politicians are much better than their  
America counterparts, perhaps because they have to do more than sit around and  
argue about who to blame for something.  If in England the government screws  
up, the Prime Minister (executive) can't blame Parliament (Congress) for the  
screw-up, because (1) (s)he's the majority leader and (2) (s)he probably came  
up with the idea...  { A word to those who believe checks and balances are a  
great idea }.
--
Chris Lawrence
Pretender to the Throne; Destroyer of the Faith
-----------------------------------------------
"Giving money and power to politicians is like giving whiskey and car keys to  
teenage boys."
     - P. J. O'Rourke, "Parliament of Whores"
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:17:12 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

dano@srl01.usl.edu (Dan Stephenson) writes:

>I mean what I say and say exactly what I mean.
>Really- I mean it!  :) :)

  Does that mean that you say exactly what you mean to say? ;-)

>The US is a global power.  Foreign policy isn't as important as it may
>have been before, since if a Democrat got elected as President,
>there would be no Communist Soviet Union to surrender to.

  The US is a *declining* global power.  Without a firm domestic policy there
will be no need for a strong foreign policy if we are so deep in debt that 
*we* will have to do what others say...

>>  3. Out of control medical industry.

>But it is the best in the world.

  But it has zero value to someone who can't afford it.

>I guess you don't rememeber BEFORE the last 12...with Jimmy Carter
>and his policies resulting in double-digit unemployment, and
>19% inflation and interest rates.  Woo woo.  Read: how NOT
>to lead as President.

  20 years from now history will have a very different read on Carter and
on Reagan/Bush...

  Bank on it.

  -jack-