HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: markus@octavia.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Files on archie chabging datestamps
Date: 21 Dec 1992 22:00:39 GMT
Organization: Australian National University, Canberra
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.35
Originator: markus@octavia



Hmm - quick, easy question to the archie gurus: I check the archie
archive every night to see if new (versions of) GNU software or X11
software have appeared. Any changes are mailed to me for quick perusal.

I've noticed several times that the datestamps on files change, sometimes
on a daily basis - for example ImageMagick2.2 has had a new datestamp
every night for the last three now. There are other examples. Is somebody 
shunting files around for some reason ? As far as I can tell the files
themselves don't change...

Thanks for any comments

Markus


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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: nick@cs.uwa.oz.au (Nick Lewins)
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Organization: Dept. Computer Science, University of Western Australia.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:13:21 GMT

In <1992Dec22.085300.1@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au> ryanph@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au writes:

>Since pornography is demeaning to women, ...

>Recently, images of nude women chained up and tied up have graced the pages of
>this 'news'group. 

>There are at least three reasons to remove this newsgroup and any others which
>are similarly demeaning to women:

>	1) The images are pornographic, not 'erotic': consult any of your
>female colleagues for their opinions

>	* women are badly enough represented on computer networks without
>further turning them away with the sexual harassment implicit in the
>promulgation of such pornographic images.

>If you think that the newsgroup is 'harmless fun': see what your female
>colleagues, friends, wives, secretaries think ...

>pornography generally is demeaning to women, ...


I havn't looked, but I'm sure that there are pictures of men there
too.  Is pornograpgy not demeaning to men?  Do men not have an opinion
on what is 'erotic'?  Isn't it pornography in general that you are
complaining about, not just the pornography which depicts/demeans
women?

I don't want to get into the censorship issue;  I just want to point
out that your argument "Pornography is demeaning to women, therefore we
should ban it" seems one-eyed.  Perhaps it should be "Pornography is
demeaning to people, therefore we should ban it"?

Nick.
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: KEYLINK/AUSIMAIL Gateways
Date: 21 Dec 1992 23:37:32 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Peter RHODES (manager@business.ntu.edu.au) wrote:
: Could someone out there inform me whether there are gateways to the above 
: mentioned Aust. Telecom email services & if so how to send mail from both 
: sides.

Not sure about AUSIMAIL, but AARNet operates, under contract to the
University of Queensland, an AARNet-Keylink gateway. Details on how
to address mail is contained in the document

	aarnet.edu.au:pub/doc/keylink.txt

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From: zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Date: 29 Dec 1992 10:14:53 +1100
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au

anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:

>then to know that it could lead to acts of violence against
>females and even childern ?  Ok, the possiblity may be as low as

Anthony, I am normally a calm and placid fellow, but your post has
increased my chances of brutally attacking innocent women and
children. Of course this would only happen if I mistook them for
_you_. Ok, the possiblity may be low but...

I hereby propose that Anthony be banned for the good of mankind.

:-)
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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.netstatus
From: davidw@its.CSIRO.AU (David Woodgate)
Subject: CSIRO ITS Network Disruption
Originator: davidw@steps.its.CSIRO.AU
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 05:50:56 GMT


CSIRO ITS, and the CSIRO link between NSW and Clayton ( Vic ), will be
unavailable between 22:00 and 23:00 Wed 23 Dec 1992 ( tonight ) for
an upgrade to the cisco.

If this is likely to cause serious inconvenience, please contact me as
soon as possible ( Ph: (06) 276 6810, (018) 622 847, Email:
davidw@its.csiro.au )

Many apologies for the short notice.

						David Woodgate
						davidw@its.csiro.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.archives,aus.general
From: hal@wanda.mel.dit.CSIRO.AU (Harold A. Miller)
Subject: Solaris 2 binaries available
Organization: CSIRO, Division of Information Technology, Melbourne
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 05:39:16 GMT

I have picked up a "pile" of binary distributions of software for Sun's
Solaris 2 operating system.  Since the links to some of these archives
are really slow, and the quantity of information considerable, I'm
putting them onto shark for anonymous ftp here in Oz.  Most of these
files come from Opcom.sun.ca, with a few from other similar places.  A
couple even have source (like 'gnu').

No warranties from me.

Help yourself (ftp.mel.dit.csiro.au:/pub/solaris2)
HM
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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: rossc@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Ross Cartlidge)
Subject: Metro news feed problems
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 23:16:22 GMT

Metros news disk filled up over the Christmas Weekend.
When the disks were rearranged and the system restarted (on Dec 27)
the newsxd process didn't start up because a lockfile had not been removed.

I fixed this up on Dec 29 at 10:00. News should start flowing again now.

Sorry for any inconvenience

rossc
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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: gja@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Grenville Armitage)
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Organization: Basket Weavers, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:59:14 GMT

In article <1hk002INNa1j@zikzak.apana.org.au> zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba) writes:
>ryanph@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au writes:
>
>>       +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>          Pornography available via Internet News!
>>       +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
	[..]
>I view any attempt by you to restrict what I
>read as an infrigement of my personal freedom and quite immoral.

The original author was suggesting a course of action which would
only have undermined a particularly cozy dissemination path.

>I should point out that I run a public access UNIX system.

So you should be more than well enough aware that your "personal
freedom" extends only as far as the equipment and services _you_
pay for, or the government explicitly provides.
 
>  [..]   AARNet
>has a responsibility to the people they feed news to as well as the
>more immediate interests of their members.

Que? Do you have a contract with AARNet that states they will guarantee
supply of all (or even _any_) of the alt.* newsgroups? 

	[..]
>Now people are missing out on
>important information on pharmaceuticals and AARNet is wide open to
>being sued by people who suffer through the lack of this information.

I'm intrigued (and quite ignorant on this legal point). How can _not_
allowing alt.drugs to be transported over AARNet links open them up
to legal action? (And who the hell makes life and death decisions based
on what they read in an alt.* group?) Is AARNet then going to be held liable
for the _accuracy_ of the drug advice in alt.drugs? 

>Censorship cannot fail but be offensive to people.

But so few people in our western society are truely censored.
They just whinge that things aren't paid for by others.

gja
From: zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Feeding
Date: 29 Dec 1992 09:59:02 +1100
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au

We don't seem to be getting a full feed of alt.mcdonalds. Of course
you could argue that no-one ever got a full feed from Mcdonalds, but
still...

There seem to be a lot of random groups that never make it out to
Australia. Why is this so?

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From: zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael Saleeba)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: PAX drops its costs by popular demand
Date: 22 Dec 1992 14:03:23 +1100
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au

aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan) writes:
>Maybe a compromise of $10/quarter.

hunter@werple.apana.org.au (James Gardiner) writes:
>If you ask me $10 a month is reasonable considering the outlay.
>Personally I think David has been a little rash and not had a good
>look around... [deleted]
>APANA, TMI(or whatever, the new MHSnet thing) and other network services
>poping up, will make it had for him as they will be much cheaper.

I think James and I can speak with reasonable authority. Both of us
have operated public access systems and it costs a _lot_. I'm running
a system in Melbourne (zikzak.apana.org.au), and all up it has cost me
over fifteen thousand dollars. I considered charging but a few simple
sums revealed that without bleeding my users dry there was absolutely
no way I could make back even a fraction of the cost.

That's ok by me. I do it for the fun, not for the money. Just as do
the people who run the hundreds of free bulletin boards around
Australia. That's why PAX is going to have a struggle ahead of it -
how can it hope to compete with other systems which have much lower
charges?

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|    zik@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au     |   that Schrodinger wasn't       |
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From: visionary@peg.pegasus.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: How to contact Pegasus?
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:28:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:1992Jun11.181848.3092@ucsvc.ucs.:769779358:peg:246600056:000:202
Nf-From: peg.UUCP!visionary    Dec 23 11:28:00 1992




Re: Contacting Pegasus Networks (APC Networks affiliate in Australia)

PO Box 284 Broadway QLD 4006
Voice: 07-257-1111
Email: support@peg.apc.org   -or-   support@peg.pegasus.oz.au

FAX: 07-257-1087
From: ibacon@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Ian Bacon)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: how to contact compuserve
Date: 28 Dec 1992 08:44:01 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Does anyone out there know how to contact compuserve in Australia?

Much obliged for any info.
From: gih900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Geoff Huston)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: US LInk Down
Date: 21 Dec 1992 06:20:42 GMT
Organization: Australian Academic and Research Network (AARNet)
Reply-To: Geoff Huston <G.Huston@aarnet.edu.au>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.130.204.4

> The link to the US is down, and has been down for about 12 minutes, ie. 
> went down at around 16:10 my time (GMT +1100). The US operations people
> have reported the fault to the US carrier (WorldCom) and when we know
> more will pass it on.

The (non-functioning) data compressor has been pulled out of the circuit
and the service has been restored.

Geoff Huston
AARNet
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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Isaac Balbin)
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Organization: Collaborative Information Technology Research Institute
Date: 24 Dec 92 09:28:01 GMT

It is a lot of things, but I don't see how it is "clear sexual harrassment"
I don't see how someone reading this newsgroup is thereby sexually
harrassing his female secretary.

Amongst other news groups, these aren't directly related to research---although
I could imagine a sociologist or psychologist making reference to such
groups.

The only question I have is one of legality.
If it is illegal it should be stopped. If it is not illegal, go ahead and
shout to get it stopped because that is ALSO your democratic right.
From: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Date: 27 Dec 92 23:25:56 GMT
Reply-To: anthony@cs.uq.oz.au

I don't understand why whenever the word "pornographic" comes up
everyone associates it with censorship and rights.  If you want
to talk about the rights of people wanting to look at
pornographic pictures then what about the rights of people who
have to suffer as a consequence of those pictures.  Some argue
the possibility is small and that there is no hard evidence
linking rapes and sexual abuses with pornographic picture.  

I want to say forget about your hard evidence and look at your
own instinct (here I am talking to males on the net).  Most
people at one time or another is bombarded with pictures of naked
females.  Even the recent Kentucky Fried Chicken ad on TV has
pictures of nearly naked females.  Now can you tell me honestly
that if you look at these pictures, you don't get turned on
(unless of course you are gay :-) ?  A majority of people can
control their sexual desires but what do we do with the minority
?  You may argue that there are already enough pornography at the
newsagent and so why limit it on the net.  Well, I ask you
shouldn't we at least try to limit the amount of exposure ?
Wouldn't it be better just to forgo something like pornography
then to know that it could lead to acts of violence against
females and even childern ?  Ok, the possiblity may be as low as
0.0001% but is cutting out pornography on the net such a great
lost ?  If you can't live with dirty pictures on your X-terminal
then why don't you just buy a copy of Penthouse and scan the
picture and have it as your background.

Please try to think of this issue as a matter of protecting the
rights of women and childern.  It is not a issue of big brother.


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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet,aus.netstatus
From: rossc@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Ross Cartlidge)
Subject: Sydney Uni Network Problems
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:27:54 GMT

The Broadband backbone of the University of Sydney
has a number of faults, due, it is believed, to
Lightning strikes last weekend.

At the time of writing the Basser Dept of Computer Science
and part of the Arts faculty are off the network.

rossc
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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: matth@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Matthew Hannigan)
Subject: Re: Comments on Unipalm's Mail-it MS-Windows Unix Mail Product
Keywords: eudora pc pop
Organization: AODC, but I don't speak for them.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:52:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.072708.14952@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au> tomw@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Tom Worthington) writes:
> [ .. ]
>In may ways Mail-It looks much like Eudora on the Mac, but for IBM PCs. It
>appears to actually be much simpler than Eudora to use, but lacks some
>Eduora features. The packaging and manual are very slick. Not too much and
>not too little.
>
>Some of the features of Eudora which I missed in Mail-It were:
> [ ... ]

Presumably you are aware that there is a `Eudora' for PCs in the pipeline?
There is a mailing list if you are interested .. from memory, it is
something like '<eudora-pc-info@qualcomm.com>'. 

Regards,
	-Matt
matt@aodc20.aodc.gov.au
From: leanne@DIALix.oz.au (Leanne Archer)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: dialix
Date: 23 Dec 1992 09:25:24 +0800
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.dialix.oz.au
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #1

In <1h41e4INN7mc@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> ibacon@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Ian Bacon) writes:

>Can anyone give me the Dialix contact address info ? Much obliged.

      Contact address for DIALix has been mailed to you :)
 
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Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
From: tomw@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Tom Worthington)
Subject: Re: Comments on Unipalm's Mail-it MS-Windows Unix Mail Product
Keywords: eudora pc pop
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:20:07 GMT

>Presumably you are aware that there is a `Eudora' for PCs in the pipeline?
>There is a mailing list if you are interested .. from memory, it is
>something like '<eudora-pc-info@qualcomm.com>'.

Yes, I have exchanged some e-mail with Steve Dorner at Qualcomm Inc
about features for Eudora on Macs and PCs. But there is room for more
than one product in this market.

Tom Worthington
Chairman 
THE CANBERRA BRANCH OF 
THE AUSTRALIAN COMPUTER SOCIETY INCORPORATED
G.P.O. Box 446
Canberra A.C.T. 2601
Australia

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Fax: +61 6 249 6419
From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie)
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
Date: 30 Dec 1992 05:18:03 GMT
Organization: Her Master's Voice
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: britt.pax.tpa.com.au

In article 11521@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au, anthony@cs.uq.oz.au (Anthony Lee) writes:
>
>I want to say forget about your hard evidence and look at your
>own instinct (here I am talking to males on the net).

Spoken like a true scientist. Did you really mean to say this ? I suppose
it was ok for the masses in Europe to "follow their instinct" and burn
witches. Or for the Muslim's and Christians to "follow their instinct" and
slaughter each other in the Crusades. Or the Klu-Klux-Klan to "follow
their instinct" that negroes were sub-human and treat them accordingly.

Males as a whole in this community still treat women like shit. No denying
that. But if you are on a crusade to improve the situation I think you
would be far better suggesting that males be forbidden from associating
with each other in groups of more than 2 or 3, and forbidden from consumming
alcohol. These measures might seem a little draconian (no more so than
restricting the right of free speech that I don't have in this country) but
would obviously be much more effective than your proposal.

Of course I don't need any evidence to make this suggestion. I just looked
at my instinct.


>Please try to think of this issue as a matter of protecting the
>rights of women and childern.  It is not a issue of big brother.

Utter bullshit.

Recognize yourself for what you are - a well meaning moralist who has no idea
what he is talking about, but still wants to tell me what to do.

david
Newsgroups: aus.aarnet
Subject: Aarnet should not be pornographic!
From: ryanph@mrluv2.dsto.oz.au
Date: 22 Dec 92 08:53:00 +1100
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

 

       +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      
          Pornography available via Internet News!

       +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The Internet newsgroup, alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, is just a forum for
pornographic images to be exchanged worldwide.

Since pornography is demeaning to women, I believe the AarNet and any other
Australian network, should not be subscribing to such rubbish.

Recently, images of nude women chained up and tied up have graced the pages of
this 'news'group. This does not, in my opinion, fall within the usage
guidelines of AarNet.

There are at least three reasons to remove this newsgroup and any others which
are similarly demeaning to women:

	1) The images are pornographic, not 'erotic': consult any of your
female colleagues for their opinions

	2) The images are largely _illegally_ scanned-in images from
pornographic magazines (so that there is copyright infringement)

	3) The usage of these images is NOT one of the uses of AarNet that our
employers want to be paying for

Other reasons to remove the group (and any similar groups):

	* the scandal that would be attached to Aarnet and the Internet more
generally if this were to reach the conventional media

	* there are better things to spend multi-megabytes of storage space on

	* women are badly enough represented on computer networks without
further turning them away with the sexual harassment implicit in the
promulgation of such pornographic images.


If you are not aware of what I am talking about, take a look at the newsgroup.

If you _are_ aware of this newsgroup and agree with me, please write or email
your nearest Aarnet representative expressing your disgust at this 'news'group.

If you think that the newsgroup is 'harmless fun': see what your female
colleagues, friends, wives, secretaries think ===== particularly in light of
the fact that your employer is paying for it. Legally, it is a clear case of
sexual harassment.


Philip Ryan
DSTO Materials Researsh Laboratory
Melbourne, Australia
phone: (03) 246 8265
fax  : (03) 246 8999
email: ryanph@mrl.dsto.gov.au

nb: I am _not_ talking from a moral 'high ground'. I am _not_ a card-carrying
member of the Moral Majority. However, pornography generally is demeaning to
women, and I believe that it is particularly poor in the present context.