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From: jochenr@neuro.informatik.uni-kassel.de (Jochen Ruhland)
Subject: Re: Saving outgoing mail - How?
Organization: FG Neuronale Netzwerke - Uni Kassel
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:26:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.133516.28981@linus.mitre.org>, rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli) writes:
|> 
|> I am using ELM 2.4 PL20 and my outgoing mail is not saved. The entry in the
|> elmrc file is the following
|> 
|> 	O)utbound mail saved : /home/hilltop/rajiv/Mail/sent.save
|> 
|> I also tried
|> 
|> 	O)utbound mail saved : =sent
|> 
|> Can somebody tell me why this is not working or if this is a known bug. I
|> even tried to restart the application after I made the change to the elmrc
|> file.
|> 
Look in the elmrc file for the section:
	# save a copy of all outbound messages?
	copy = ON

	# save outbound messages by login name of sender/recipient even if the
	# associated folder doesn't already exist?
	forcename = OFF
With these settings all the outgoing mail goues to the outbound-mail
folder.

Comment: Strange thing. You could specify a destination for your 
outgoing mail, but the flag to actually store it is NO by default!

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From: alan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Alan Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Incorrect prompt
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:29:15 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

Running 2.4.20 with confirmfiles=on and confirmfolders=on in the rc file.
Select a message, save to "=nosuch", where there is no folder of this
name.

At lower right of the screen, you see a prompt; but the text is the username
of the person who sent the message, and not anything useful like
"do you want to do this?".....

Alan
From: mlevin@teal.csn.org (Marshall Levin)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Autoreply + Filter
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:20:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: teal.mlevin.728155206
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.


Does anybody know a good way to combine the functions of Autoreply and Filter?
I want to reply to personal mail that I will be out of town until such and
such a date, but I don't want that to bounce to mailing lists.  Is there a
good way to do this, perhaps by filtering out anything with a From line
containing the word list?  Does filter snag the mail BEFORE it gets to
autoreply (can they work in harmony) or is it better to just do it all with
filter (if a piece of mail comes in and does NOT have the word list in it,
save that message and forward a response to the sender telling him/her I'm
gone).  Can anyone suggest a good course of action?

Email reply is preferred and I will post a summary later if desired.

Thanks
Marshall Levin
From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Segmentation fault on exit
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:48:32 +0100
Organization: INSA Informatique (GRASP), Lyon, France
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr

In article <rccarel.727687855@rc6.urc.tue.nl> rccarel@urc.tue.nl writes:
>If elm (2.4 PL20) is exited while there are changes (deleted or read messages),
>elm aborts with a segmentation fault.

On AIX (3.2)  no core dumped, but obviously some sgmentation problem.
After the "Exit" string I get generally the title of one of the
read messages.  Elm then hangs but can be cleanly SIGTERM'ed.

-- 
Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: rajiv@hilltop.mitre.org (Rajiv Kohli)
Subject: Saving outgoing mail - How?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:35:16 GMT


I am using ELM 2.4 PL20 and my outgoing mail is not saved. The entry in the
elmrc file is the following

	O)utbound mail saved : /home/hilltop/rajiv/Mail/sent.save

I also tried

	O)utbound mail saved : =sent

Can somebody tell me why this is not working or if this is a known bug. I
even tried to restart the application after I made the change to the elmrc
file.

Thanks in advance
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: rjackson@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Richard L Jackson Jr)
Subject: when will Elm 2.4 PL21 be available?
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:11:00 GMT

Is there an estimate on when Elm 2.4 PL21 will be available?

Thank you,
Richard Jackson
George Mason University
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: archana@hkusub (The HK Connection)
Subject: Bitnet addreses
Organization: The University of Hong Kong
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:35:03 GMT

How exactly does one address a bitnet address in elm. I have tried all
the option I am familiar with for the VAX but nothing seems to work.
Dont want to go the VAX to send bitnet mail.
THanks 

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$$$$$ Dr. Anand Asundi           <<..>>	email: archana@hkusub.hku.hk    $$$$$$$
$$$$$ Department of Mechanical Engineering	archana@hkuxa.hku.hk    $$$$$$$
$$$$$ Haking Wong Rm 7-22			aasundi@hkumea.bitnet   $$$$$$$
$$$$$ Pokfulam Road				archana@hkucc.bitnet	$$$$$$$
$$$$$ The University of Hong Kong		Tel:8592638		$$$$$$$
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mlevin@teal.csn.org (Marshall Levin)
Subject: Filter rules order
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:33:06 GMT

If rule #1 snags a message and puts it in my mailbox, will a later rule (like
an ALWAYS rule) act on it?

What I want to do is this:  if the mail is NOT from a list, send a message
saying I'm away.

So here's what I want to do:

Rule #1
if from contains "such and such list" leave (put it into my mailbox)

Rule #2 
if from contains "such and such other list" leave

Rule #last
always execute "cat /home/clients2/mlevin/message | elm -s%S %r"



So if an incoming mail satisfies rule #1, will it continue down the list of
rules?


Thanks
From: rccarel@rc6.urc.tue.nl (Carel Braam)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Segmentation fault on exit
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:30:55 GMT
Reply-To: rccarel@urc.tue.nl

If elm (2.4 PL20) is exited while there are changes (deleted or read messages),
elm aborts with a segmentation fault.

					Carel Braam

Email: rccarel@urc.tue.nl         | Computing Centre
				  | Eindhoven University of Technology
phone:    040-472158              | Den Dolech 2, P.O. Box 513
home:     040-810381              | 5600 MB Eindhoven, The Netherlands


Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: "metoo" for elm (again)
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:46:59 GMT

mathieu@SunOS.stpaul.ncr.com (Tom Mathieu [7143]) writes:

>Sorry about the previous (bogus) post... having trouble with rn.
>
>I'm trying to find out if elm supports a "metoo" toggle like
>plain o'l mail does.  I frequently send mail to an alias that
>contains my name.  If I forget to "cc" myself, I don't get a copy of
>the message sent to me.  Plain old "mail" supports a "metoo" in
>the .mailrc file that sends messages to originator if he/she is
>also in the alias.
>
>Is there a way to do this with elm?

Have a look at the file $HOME/.elm/sent.

-- 
Sven :( | Does nobody around here read the manuals ?
From: rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Yet another enhancement suggestion...RETURN to confirm
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:52:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

There are several users at our site who don't like the way Elm only requires
a single keypress (without RETURN to confirm) for its operations, often leading
to chaos (we had to disable the "Edit mailbox" on our Elm, because people were
typing "e", inserting a couple of characters by mistake into the mailbox,
exiting the edit and then ending up with a corrupted mailbox - has anyone else
noticed that Elm absolutely REFUSES to handle mailboxes with one or two
characters extra at the front of the first line ??).

Anyway, it would be nice for future Elm versions to be configurable as to
whether there's a single keypress ("m" for mail etc.) or a keypress + RETURN
(with the ability to overtype prior to pressing RETURN). Just a thought -
anyone else out there agree with me ?

Richard K. Lloyd, 
Computer Science Dept.,   JANET     : rkl@uk.ac.liverpool.compsci
Liverpool University,     Internet  : rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk
Merseyside, England,    Q: "What's the world's fastest home micro ?"
Great Britain.          A: "The Archimedes A3000. 4 MIPS for under 800 pounds."
From: ce095@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey Scott Traigle)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Lock problem solved
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:08:49 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce095@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey Scott Traigle)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I may try that solution with changing setgid to setegid just to see if
it'll work, but I managed to find a way to get elm working on the E&S system
this afternoon.

While roaming through the directory structure, I noticed that
/usr/ucb/mail had both the setuid and setgid permission bits on so I
decided to do the same on elm to see if it fixed the problem. Lo and
behold, it did.

Thanks for the input everyone.
From: mathieu@SunOS.stpaul.ncr.com (Tom Mathieu [7143])
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: "metoo" for elm (again)
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:10:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR NPD Division


Sorry about the previous (bogus) post... having trouble with rn.

I'm trying to find out if elm supports a "metoo" toggle like
plain o'l mail does.  I frequently send mail to an alias that
contains my name.  If I forget to "cc" myself, I don't get a copy of
the message sent to me.  Plain old "mail" supports a "metoo" in
the .mailrc file that sends messages to originator if he/she is
also in the alias.

Is there a way to do this with elm?

Thanks

Tom Mathieu
NCR Corp
mathieu@ncrcis.stpaul.ncr.com
From: fuenf@aldebaran.cs.uni-sb.de (Stefan Fuenfrocken)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Elm 2.4PL20: Floating Point Exeption reading alias folder from cmd-line
Date: 26 Jan 1993 11:27:11 GMT
Organization: University of Saarland (Germany)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aldebaran.cs.uni-sb.de


Hi,


i just installed elm 2.4 PL20, upgrading from elm 2.3PL11.
Environment: SunOS4.1.1, Sun SparkStation II

There were two things:

1) elm refuses to compile with:
        
     redeclaration of utimbuf in leavembox.c
  
  i had to '#define UTIMBUF' in config.h
  So the Configure-script doesn't seem correctly set up the configuration file.

  
2)  i'v run into the following:

  i tryed to read from a folder ('abc' in maildirectory) for alias 'xyz' from cmd-line
  with:
     elm -f @xyz
  which gave me:


    Floating Point Exception signal!


    Emergency exit taken! All temp files intact!

  If i try to read the folder with the correct foldername:
    elm -f =abc
  everything is fine.
  [From within elm, the change folder command with @xyz works as exspected]


-) Now a question:

   i try to tag specific messages according to patterns in the "to"-field, since
   ^T only searches 'from' and 'subject', i first 'limit' the messages using
   'to <pattern>', an then tagging all the selected msgs. Now it would be nice to have 
   a 'tag'cmd wich moves the msg-pointer to the next msg (like 'n(ext)').
   
   OR is there a more easy way to do that.


Stefan.

-- 

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    W-6600 Saarbruecken, Germany, (+49) 681/302-4576, fuenf@cs.uni-sb.de 
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From: ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Tag and uuencoded files
Date: 28 Jan 1993 17:38:08 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


On 24 Jan 1993 05:30:23 GMT dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT) said:
]mendez@taliesin.greco-prog.fr (Marc Mendez) wrote in
]<1993Jan21.183512.26171@greco-prog.fr>:

]| I would like to uudecode files I receive by mail. But I need to keep
]| the order of the files (which is not respected all the time in the mail
]| list). Can I tag files in the order I want and then uudecode them
]| (with a pipe, I suppose) ? If yes, how ?

]First, there should be no need to uudecode the files in any particular order.
]The "begin" header of a uuencode gives the name that the uudecoded file will
]have, and if the uuencodes were part of a single distribution every single
]one will have a unique name in its "begin" header for the uudecoded version
]of its own contents.

I respectfully disagree when a file has been uuencoded and *then*
split up into chunks which will make it through the network(s).
In this case there will be only one item where the uuencoded data
is preceded by a "begin", and only one ending on "end"...

The way I do what Marc Mendez seems to be asking is:
 - Copy all the relevant items to a separate folder, ONE BY ONE
   and IN THE CORRECT SEQUENCE.
 - Edit this folder, deleting all the extraneous lines between
   the chunks of uuencoded data.
 - Then kick uudecode to do its thing to the edited folder.
If I made a mistake, I CAN start over again, because I COPIED the
original items from my mail folder.

Regards.
$$\    F. Scott Ophof

--------------------------->  I speak *only* for *myself*  <-----
My credo:  Computers exist for OUR benefit, NEVER vice-versa.


Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: schwim@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rosebud)
Subject: Elm 2.3 Bugs -- Does 2.4 fix them?
Organization: The Land of Chocolate
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:38:59 GMT


	There's a few bugs I've seen in 2.3PL11.  Some are just
annoying, some are nasty.  2.4 won't be installed on the systems I use
until it is stable for a while, but I wanted to know if these bugs
were fixed or addressed.  (Or, are they features?)

1) Clobbering files when over quota

	Elm doesn't check the return value of a write to a file, or if
it does, it blithefully ignores it.  If a user is over quota and elm
saves a letter to a file, the letter is not saved.  The letter is then
marked for deletion.  The letter is thus lost.
	If a person reads and modifies a folder in an account which is
over quota, the file is truncated to zero bytes.
	If a write fails, elm should notify the user.  If the file
cannot be written back to the user's directory, elm should exit with
the original file in the tmp directory and a glaring error message.

2) Improper expansion of ~

	In other programs I use ((t)csh, rn, tin, mail, etc) ~ is
expanded to the value of the environmental variable (getenv).  Elm
appears to use the pasword entry of the user's root directory
(getpwuid).
	I understand why elm needs the .elm directory in the user's
root directory, but there's no reason to assume that the user's root
directory and $HOME are the same thing.  If $HOME is defined it should
use that.  (It also seems reasonable to look for or create the Mail
directory.)
	If your elmrc file specifies your mail directory as
$HOME/Mail, elm uses the environmental variable, so it definitely is
aware of what $HOME should be.

3) Deletion of the letter being composed if connection dies and elm
	quits

	/usr/ucb/mail saves such files to dead.letter.  I can usally
get the letter back with the use of ps, grep, a copy, and a kill
signal to the elm process.  But users should not be expected to know
this.  It seems safe to assume that users do not want the letter
they've spent a half hour composing erased.

4) Bugs in saving to ~$USER/Cancelled.mail in send only mode

	elm is kind enough to save the mail body to the file
Cancelled.mail in the user's root directory if invoked in send only
mode.  If you cancel the message, it gives the exit message:

	Message saved in file "$HOME/Cancelled.mail"

Well, it is not saving the file to $HOME/Cancelled.mail.  It is saving
to the user's root directory.	Until afs 4.0/dfs is released, this is
also a security/privacy risk for many users.  (afs permissions are
directory not file based.)
	Also, it would be nice if it saved the header of the letter,
too.

5) Hard coded path in the default user's elmrc file

	Why?

	Thanks!
				Yours,
					Larry Schwimmer
					schwim@xenon.stanford.edu
From: luethel@ucs.orst.edu (LLL)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Editing aliases in Elm
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:47:54 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: us
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu


How do you edit/change/addto an already existing alias in elm?
Please email responses, because I usually do not read this newsgroup.

Thank you.

-LL

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: Options Choice
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: ?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:41:01 GMT

magnet@r-node.pci.on.ca writes:

>Can anyone out there give me a bit of input on how (or whether) you
>can change the set of options available via the "o" command?
>I can change the assorted options listed in the elmrc file by editing
>that file, but since one of the options in elmrc is itself the list of
>options available via "o", it seems as if this can be changed.

Indeed, the values of all variables in the option menu can be changed.
The changes won't be permanent until you save your changes with '>'.

The option menu however lists only a subset of all options (read: variables).
A lot more options can be configured by editing the configuration file
($HOME/.elm/elmrc), usually called the "ELMRC" (where the "rc" at the end
stands for "read commands").

Variables and their values in the ELMRC are listed like this:
|->
# A comment explaing what the variable is used for.
variablename = value
<-|

Common values are "ON", "OFF", pathnames or filenames.
Please note that the ELMRC is sorted alphabetically by variable names.

Have a look at it once and see what else ELM offers for confuguration.
Caveat: If you don't know what a variable affects - don't change it!
(Well, at least make a backup first. :)

-- 
Sven@manuals.explained.edu | Remember: The ELM FAQ is in news.answers !
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dbeedle@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Dave Beedle)
Subject: Problem on AIX 3.2...
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:59:03 GMT
Organization: Illinois State University

   Hello!  We have been running elm under AIX 3.1.5 and had no problems. After
upgrading to AIX 3.2 (soon 3.2.3) return addresses are being put together with
garbage at the end.  This only occurs when replying to a message which
originates on the local maching.  The To: header has a  .J?. (in elm), a .J^A.
is displayed after the message bounces.  Does anybody have any tips on fixing
this?  Thanks!
-- 
  Dave Beedle                                    Office of Academic Computing
                                                    Illinois State University
  Internet:  dbeedle@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu                    136A Julian Hall  
  "Relax, don't worry!  Have a homebrew!"                  Normal, IL   61761
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: nadeau@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Nadeau Jean-Claude)
Subject: Re: Problem creating lock file
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:41:15 GMT

In article <1k26feINN18b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ce095@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey Scott Traigle) writes:
>
>I'm attempting to get elm running on an Evans & Sutherland machine.
>It is essentially a MIPS machine and OS frolm what I can gather.
>I finally managed to get elm compiled, but when I try to run it,
>I get the following message:
>
>Can't create lock file! Need write permission in "/usr/mail/".
>  
	I had the same problem on a HP/Apollo running BSD4.3.  I just
	change the "setgid" calls to "setegid" calls and it worked
	fine.  This function change only the effective GID and not
	both of them.

	BTW, the easy way to do that is to #define setgid setegid
	in the master include file (config.h if I remember).

-- 
Jean-Claude Nadeau, ing.	<nadeau@ERE.UMontreal.CA>
Services informatiques		Tel. (514) 343-6111,ext 5234
Universite de Montreal		Fax  (514) 343-2155
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes)
Subject: Re: How to get frm(1L) to only show new mail?
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:06:43 GMT

mathias@solomon.technet.sg (Mathias Koerber) writes:

>Is there a way to get frm(1L) to only show mail that has newly arrived?
>Since elm can distinguish, frm should also be able to do this. And
>maybe there should be an option to show only the first x messages.

nfrm

RTFM!
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: rjackson@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Richard L Jackson Jr)
Subject: Elm 2.4 PL20 anomalies (1. ispell, 2. ^D in ps docs)
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:44:47 GMT

Hi all,


I just built and installed Elm 2.4 PL20 on a DECsystem 5900 running
Ultrix 4.3.  I have installed ispell 3.0.9.  I have noticed two
anomalies;

1. after composing a message and using i) (ispell), I noticed I must
hit return after the next command.  It should not require a return
since that is the normal interface mechanism.

2. the elm.ps.tar.Z contains the PostScript version of the documentation
and man pages.  This is great!  Unfortunately, all of the files contain
a ^D (ascii 04) at the end of each file.  Our DEC PrintServer 20 can
not handle ^D.  I had to delete  the line from each file.  If the
^D does not serve a useful purpose, then please remove it.

Thanks,
Richard Jackson
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jawil@hpx13.aid.no (Jan Roger Wilkens)
Subject: Incoming mailbox
Organization: AID
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:14:06 GMT

My incoming mailbox isn't /usr/mail/jawil but:
/vhe/hpx5/users/dt92/jawil/mail/inbox 
How do I get ELM to read this as the inbox? At the moment I'm using the -f
flag at startup-time to change mailbox, but then I can't see what mail is New
etc..

Another question:
How do I format the printing of the aliases in the alias screen?
At the moment it is:

     1   Bent Tranberg                                                Person    Bent
     2   Bjarne Lien                                                  Person    Bjarne

If I want to, for example, list the alias first, then the name, then the
comment, what do I do?
-- 
                               Jan Roger Wilkens
                     Student at Agder Engeeniering School
                               Computer Technics

                              EMail: jawil@aid.no