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From: tima@sequent.com
Subject: Re: discourse..
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 19:03:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.013249.16922@wpi.WPI.EDU> cfurlong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Cosme Furlong Vazquez) writes:
>>Hi there: (I did not want to reply) but I don't agreed with
>>the person that said that .."is not professional" what I posted
>>before. Sorry, but critics are always necessary, if you are
>>looking for the true. Don't you guys think so?
>
>Cosme Furlong.
>***************************
>cfurlong@wpi.wpi.edu

Take this to alt.my.software.is.better.than.your.software.neener.neener.neener

Both systems have their particular merits, so grow up allready.

tima@sequent.com


Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:23:33 EDT
From:         Benjamin Olasov <olasov@CS.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      List of ADS compatible compilers
X-To:         AUTOCAD%OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

The ADS reference manual lists two compilers that are recommended for
use with ADS: High-C and Watcom.

Are there other compilers that have been used?  Perhaps someone
from Autodesk can let us know whether the list has grown since the
publication of the ADS reference?



Ben             olasov@cs.columbia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: sknapp@IASTATE.EDU (Steven M. Knapp)
Subject: List of objects...
Keywords: list of objects
Reply-To: sknapp@IASTATE.EDU (Steven M. Knapp)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:08:09 GMT

I was wondering if there was any way to edit (in a text mode) the list of
objects in an autocad file.
I have a file that has a bunch doubled objects and would like to simply remove
them in a text editor, is this possible?
I am a novice Acad person...
I do not read this group regularly...
Email prefered!
THANK YOU!
________________________________________________________________________ 
Steven M. Knapp		   	        	   Computer Engineering@
Friley 2298 Stanton			           Iowa State University
Campus Phone: 4-2950			    	    		Ames, IA
From: cfurlong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Cosme Furlong Vazquez)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: No...
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:19:29 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute


>Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system
>Lines: 39
>
>cfurlong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Cosme Furlong Vazquez) writes:
>
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> This is the first time I take a look at this newsgroup....
>> It seems that there're lots of problems using autocad (really
>> infriendly). Why don't you use a real CAD software...CADKEY 4.0 
>> and soon 5.0 you'll notice the difference...
>> 
>> Later,
>> 
>> Cosme Furlong
>> cfurlong@wpi.wpi.edu
>> 
>> -- 
>> 

>Well, gee Chris, I suppose if we'd just all DROP everything and jump RIGHT 
>into CadKey, we'd have NO problems at all.  Forget all of the work, and the 

Hey, that's a very good sugestion (for CAD beginners)!!!. :-) 

>work that everyone else has done on AutoCAD.  Yes, AutoCAD is "hard" at first 

No, but its time to run ALCADMY (DXF -> CDL) to exchange all your draftings
into a real engineering software!!

>to learn, but thats NOTHING like learning CadKey.  Ive used both, and I can 
>say CadKey lacks MOST of the ease that AutoCAD has.  Wanna customize CadKey, 

Boy...!!, Have you really used both???, no way!

>Good Luck.  Care to make 3rd part software, be my guest.
>

No problem, that can be done really easy!

>Unless you know EVERYTHING about BOTH pieces of software (as I don't) you 
>have no room to speak.
>

Well....almost!! (of both)

>AutoCAD is by far "real" CAD, with MUCH more support than CadKey by far.
>
>What verson did you try? 1.0?

No!!...which version of CADKEY did you Professionaly use 
(notice: use NOT try)???? 

>
> .--.
>< \/ > :Dan Reed - blu@cellar.org :  CI$ - 76346,3252@compuserve.com :  /\
>\\/\// :Remember 99.4% are stupid!:   AnalCad Geek - VW Lover        : //\\

I agree... VW are Great!!!

> `--'  :SysOp of the THYRATRON BBS:(609) 582-5410  - We know AutoCad!:///\\\
>

Do you really???
>

Get a real software boy!!!!

Cheers!!

-- 

Cosme Furlong.
***************************
cfurlong@wpi.wpi.edu
From: jjhi@lesti.hut.fi (Jari Juhani Hiltunen)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: No.....
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:05:51 GMT
Reply-To: jjhi@lesti.hut.fi (Jari Juhani Hiltunen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology


In article <1992Apr5.033841.13089@wpi.WPI.EDU> cfurlong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Cosme Furlong Vazquez) writes:

(setq *FLAME* 'on)

>This is the first time I take a look at this newsgroup....

It's so nice that you were able to make your contribution
to the discussion!

>It seems that there're lots of problems using autocad (really
>infriendly).

If you think AutoCAD users have problems maybe you should take a look
at comp.windows.ms and a few dozen other groups.  I hate to break the
news to you but computers and software don't come without problems.

>              Why don't you use a real CAD software...CADKEY 4.0 
>and soon 5.0 you'll notice the difference...

I'm sure all our problems will go away if we use Cadkey.  It'll
probably even wash our dishes.  I cannot believe someone is naive
enough to suggest something like this.  Whether AutoCAD is a good
of bad CAD package is pretty much a matter of opinion.  However,
there are so many AutoCAD users all around the world that when we
need help we are able to get it.  I don't recall seeing alt.cad.cadkey!

>Later,

And much later, I hope!

(setq *FLAME* 'off)

No offense :-)

>Cosme Furlong

-- 
$----------------------------------------------------------$
$   Jari Hiltunen               $  jjhi@niksula.cs.hut.fi  $
$   If in doubt, DON'T          $  jjhi@vipunen.hut.fi     $
$----------------------------------------------------------$
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: martin@megadata.mega.oz.au (Martin Corr)
Subject: Re: DXF to PostScript converter ?
Originator: martin@seth
Organization: Megadata P/L, North Ryde, Sydney, Aust.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 05:36:05 GMT

From article <1992Apr5.153334.4856@cs.tu-berlin.de>, by ernst@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Ernst Kloecker):
> Hallo,
> 
> I need to convert DXF-Files to PostScript. Does anybody know about such a
> program, preferably with sources ?
>

There are two ways that I know of:

1. AutoCAD Postscript driver itself. I presume this does not work for
you or you don't want to use it for some reason.

2. HiJaak - provides a direct conversion from DXF to either raster or
vector Postscript. NB - HiJaak is a slow, not very robust, but useful
DOS program which provides conversions for all sorts of formats.

Martin Corr
 
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: sknapp@IASTATE.EDU (Steven M. Knapp)
Subject: Thanks for the info... 
Followup-To: Thanks for the info... 
Keywords: Thanks for the info... 
Reply-To: sknapp@IASTATE.EDU (Steven M. Knapp)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:56:11 GMT

I just wanted to thank the numerous resopnses to my question here.
The answer I recieved unanmously from those that replyed was that there are a
pair of utilties that transfer data between .DXF and .DWG. The DXF are text
files that can be edited w/ a word processor.

thanks to all!
________________________________________________________________________ 
Steven M. Knapp		   	        	   Computer Engineering@
Friley 2298 Stanton			           Iowa State University
Campus Phone: 4-2950			    	    		Ames, IA
From: edsver1@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov (Thomas L. Raab)
Newsgroups: alt.cad
Subject: Re: Want convert PCAD .PLT to AutoCAD for MsDos
Keywords: PCAD,AUTOCAD
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:42:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: eagle.1992Apr7.204216.15328
Reply-To: traab@lerc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA - Lewis Research Center


In article <1992Apr7.093024.7566@ida.liu.se>, mikau@ida.liu.se (Mikhail Auguston) writes:
|> 
|>  I am looking for program that converts
|> PCAD  .PLT format to any of AutoCAD input format.
|>  This is for Ms Dos versions, I have PCAD v. 4.5 and AutoCAD v.2.6.
|>  If anyone has this program, please contact me via e-mail,
|>  this will be very appreciated.
|>  I am looking for sources also;
|>       Thanks
|>         Vadim Engelson via Mikhail Auguston
|>         mikau@ida.liu.se

CAD Solutions, Inc. has sold a product call PCTRANS which converted the 
PCAD .plt files into .dxf files.  The version we bought was acquired through 
CSI in San Jose, CA 408-943-1610.

-- 

Thomas L. Raab
Sverdrup Technology, Inc.  Lewis Research Center Group
Newsgroups: alt.cad
From: tima@sequent.com
Subject: Re: CV Personal Designer
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: alt.cad
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 00:07:41 GMT

In article <3058@cvbnetPrime.COM> sew@yoyo.prime.com (Steve Woodbridge x5290) writes:
>
>
> >Does anyone out there know of a way to get lines normal to
> >intersection points on Spoles.(other than cutting,generating
> >points on the string, etc). Any help would be greatly
> >appreciated.
>
>Given a vertex on the intersection string, the tangent vector at that 
>point can be gotten by taking the half angle vector between the vectors 
>formed by this point and the preceeding point and this point and the 
>following point.
>

Uhm, not quite. The tangent vector to the curve is the cross product of
the two surface normals at that point. No averaging is involved.

>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Stephen Woodbridge                   (sew@pcbu.prime.com)

Hi Steve, this is your buddy Tim Anderson...

tima@sequent.com
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Scholarships
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:59:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.45648
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Apr12.214555.20288@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.162024.9268@anasaz> john@anasaz (John Moore) writes:
>>Keywords: 

>>The problem with AA is that it DOES lead to quotas. My daughter yesterday
>>was looking at scholarships. She found most she could not get because
>>she is not black, and found one she could get (but others could not)
>>because she is a female math whiz. What sort of message do you think she
>>got from this?

>There are many scholarships for women also. What book are you looking 
>at ? How do respond to the fact that there has been this old boy
>system which has benefited white males for centuries ? AA is just to make 
>sure that whites, which have a long history of discrimination, don't
>discriminate on the basis of color, etc. If there are any quotas its the
>perpetuation of white males in positions of power and authority.

You have absolutely no idea about how scholarships are awarded.  There
are an extremely small number awarded on ability.  EXTREMELY small.
Most are awarded on a basis of "need" with little regard for ability,
except the requirement of qualifying for admission.  These scholarships
effectively exclude the entire middle class.  Probably at least 1/3 of
those admitted on these scholarships could not satisfy the requirement
of an honest elementary school diploma.

There are "special" scholarships, like athletic scholarships and minority
scholarships, which are even weaker.  The outcome is that we have oodles
of college students who have little chance of completing an honest program,
and indeed, the college curriculum at the present time is far from being
honest.  Letting in essentially illiterate "disadvantaged" students is
doing nothing other than destroying what is left of the educational system.

This also applies to such ridiculous things as race-norming, etc.  If the
Vietnamese immigrants, coming in even with no English, can meet honest 
criteria, and are now being turned away for racial reasons, any group 
can get their members who have the capability to that point, although
they may have to teach them outside of the (use your 100 most nasty
derogatory adjectives here) public school system.  Alternatively, let
them go to community colleges to earn an honest high school diploma.
But there are no quotas against members of any unsuccessful group, 
only quotas against the Chinese and Japanese and Vietnamese and any
other group from which the children show that they can LEARN.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: tparks@world.std.com (terry parks)
Subject: Re: AA
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:37:19 GMT

>Affirmative action (AA) should be an aggressive attempt to recruit, hire
>and promote qualified minorities and women.

Why? Just what in your (sick) mind makes you think that Caucasian men
are inferior solely because of their race and gender?


>As was mentioned before, even when qualifica-
>tions are equal, the White candidate is 3X more likely to be hired than his
>Black counterpart.

Any other racial sterotypes you want to pollute the wires with?

>But I imagine that this is OK to opponents of AA.

Well there certainly is one thing that doesn't have to be imagined since
AA, IN FACT, mandates that a "black" candidate ALWAYS be hired over a
"white" counterpart.


Xref: sparky alt.discrimination:1629 alt.news-media:248 soc.culture.iranian:3478 soc.rights.human:1451 talk.politics.mideast:10898 talk.religion.misc:7252
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 07:40:25 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: AA
Distribution: na

In article <BMs1uB.JKB@world.std.com>, tparks@world.std.com (terry parks) says:
>
>>Affirmative action (AA) should be an aggressive attempt to recruit, hire
>>and promote qualified minorities and women.
>
>Why? Just what in your (sick) mind makes you think that Caucasian men
>are inferior solely because of their race and gender?
>
>
>>As was mentioned before, even when qualifica-
>>tions are equal, the White candidate is 3X more likely to be hired than his
>>Black counterpart.
>
>Any other racial sterotypes you want to pollute the wires with?
   The original poster is correct.  According to a study by the Department of
Labor, which is loaded with white male statisticians, the above statistic is
correct.  Did you see the "Primetime Live" piece by Diane Sawyer a few months
back that had a white and a black man with exact similar credentials apply for
a job, try to buy a car, rent an apartment...  If you didn't then maybe you
should make sure you see the repeat.  The original poster is not pollluting
the network with stereotypes, but you are polluting it with your ignorance of
things called FACTS!!!!!
>
>>But I imagine that this is OK to opponents of AA.
>
>Well there certainly is one thing that doesn't have to be imagined since
>AA, IN FACT, mandates that a "black" candidate ALWAYS be hired over a
>"white" counterpart.

   What affirmative action statute did you get this from?  Please read the
legislation before you make this false statement.  Affirmative Action
does not "mandate that a 'black' candidate ALWAYS be hired over a 'white'
counterpart".  Nowhere in the legislation does it state this.  Please go to
the nearest library and READ THE STATUTE, instead of getting your information
from David Duke!
   Affirmative Action is a policy which only affects businesses or entities
which have a history of racial or sexual bias.  People forget that Affirmative
Action also covers women, and nowhere do you claim that AA Mandates that women
get hired over men, because you know it isn't true.  What the STATUTE says is
that if a company, for example, has a proven history of racial or sexual bias
in hiring, then they are MANDATED to expand their pool of applicants to include
more women and minorities, but they are under no MANDATE TO HIRE, unless it
can be proven that they still discriminate (meaning they are hiring
underqualified white males over, for example, qualified white women).  Then
the company is turned over to the EEOC.  This is the way the statute reads, not
the way that David Duke and Pat Buchanon...talk about it.  Don't get your
information from 30 second sound bites, you are missing a whole new world out
there!
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: tparks@world.std.com (terry parks)
Subject: Re: Feminism
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 01:36:03 GMT

>>You might be surprised at the damage
>>done to ordinary fellows by all of the male-bashing feminism going around.

>I'm a man, and I'm not ashamed of who and what I am. 

ALL gender restricted and preferenced awards, classes, scholarships, grants, jobs, contracts, promotions, etc. are given to women. Each and every
single one. The message is exclusively preference is to be given to
people only if they are women and opportunities are to be denied to anyone
who is a man.


Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: gdsimpson@amherst.edu
Subject: His Panic Student Mailing List
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:38:15 GMT

 
        Hola, me llamo Gilberto and I am the co-chair of La Causa (the Latino
 student group of Amherst College). I am writing this letter because I am 
 interested in trying to set up some kind of communication among Latinos at
 different colleges and universities. I have managed to convince the people
 in the computer center to give us two e-mail addresses which we can use in
 order to communicate with Latinos nationwide. Such a list can be used for a 
 variety of purposes including: 
 
   1) Inform one another about conferences and events happening
      on other campuses.
 
   2) Share information about how to effectively organize as students.
 
   3) Find more effective ways of recruiting and holding onto Latino students
      and faculty.
 
   4) Talk about ways to change the curriculum so that it starts to deal with
      concerns specific to Latinos in the U.S. (e.g. Hispanic-American Studies 
      programs)
 
   5) Get access to news about Latino students that probably is not availiable 
      through the 'mainstream' student magazines about campus life.
 
   6) Meet people who have a similar background and interest. (e.g. Afro-Latin
      studies is an area where it is not easy to get lots of information through
      the library and a mailing list might make it easier for people to get the
      names of books or references which others have found useful)
 
        I am sure that there are other things that a Latino mailing list could
 be used for and it would really be up to its members to decide what direction
 it should take. 
 
        If you are interested and want to subscribe, or have any comments that
 you want to send specifically to the person taking care of the list (that's me)
 then send a message to:
 
               latino-l-request@amherst.edu
 
  If you want to use the list and distribute a message, article, announcement,
  poem or whatever to all of the people participating in the list then send a
  message to: 
 
              latino-l@amherst.edu
 
 
 
 and also: if you know of anybody who might want to participate in the list 
           please forward this letter to them so that word of this can get out.
 
    gracias
 
 -Gilberto
 
 
-- 
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    |\/\/\/|   
    |      |   
    |      |   Too Africubamerican
    | (o)(o)   Too Strong 
    C      _) / 
     | ,___|   
     |   /                                 
    /____\                                               Gilberto Simpson
   /      \                                              gdsimpson@amherst.edu 
................................................................................
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
From: johnhall@microsoft.com (John Hall)
Subject: Re: By the Time I get to Arizona...
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:29:40 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
| Look at the price that they are willing to pay in order to get that American 
| dream. Many Asian children don't care about their culture and heritage.

Cheap at 10 times the price.  That is, of course, if you are 
interested in people being happy.

One more thing on your 'why not compensation':

Because the *practical effects* of this request
on the current generation of AfAm's politically,
socially, and morally are highly negative.


-- 
-------------------------
My comments are my own.  They are independent and unrelated to the
views of my company , relatives or elected representatives.
From: srcguard@src.dec.com THE PUNISHER
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination
Subject: THE PUNISHER SPEAKETH: 4/6/92
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:30:46 GMT
Reply-To: srcguard@src.dec.com THE PUNISHER
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center


		Greetings and Salutations,

		Behold, THE PUNISHER, has seen the hatred and fear
		of others called Prejudice.  It's sick and a
		serious disease, but it's there and there is 
		nothing you can do about it except cry......or
		is there?  I see, I hear, I witness events
		that causes prejudice in the worst degree.  
		~You see the beating of from L.A. Cops.
		~You see the gay bashing that was on videotape
		~You see race barriers from Whites to Puerto Ricans
		Basically,  there are a whole lot of shit out
		there and we are ALL prejudice of some kind.  If
		prejudice was a person, I would get my Ruger 10/22
		fully auto w/ suppressor and blow the fucker up in
		tiny pieces, but I can't.  Even I'm prejudice,
		I hate oriental and old drivers...........Why?
		It's because they have nice, expensive cars and can't
		even drive worth shit in them.  They don't know
		what they're doing, they move without thinking or
		they are just no good at it and I wonder how the hell
		they get away with it........But hey, I don't hate THEM.
		I don't know them to hate them.  
				If I don't like them or they don't like me,
		I'll keep my distance, but it's just stupid to go up to them
		and say," I don't like you one fuck because you are an 
		oriental."  Stupid and should get that persons head bashed
		in.   As well as, blacks and mexicans,  they are the ones
		who are considered the most inferior and trash-like people
		that was put on the planet, but Prejudice goes both ways...
		Blacks and Mexicans are prejudice against whites and others.
		Yes, they do their share also.  You guys even have the nerve to
		shove words to everybody saying that you're black or mexican to
		people who don't care.  
		It's O.k. to turn your back on others, but gunning for them is
		not the answer, anymore.  		

		THE PUNISHER says, be a human being... or die a racist.   
		Tell whoever you think is responsible for your hatred towards
		others....................I'll be watching...................


		

		I'll take comments, questions, and challenges....NEXT VICTIM!
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination