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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: RELEASES
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:17:34 GMT
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Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Hey! For anyone out there who is interested, here's a list of releases for the
near future according to this week's "Video Store":
(BTW...all are United States releases. Sorry I couldn't get more info.)

Hell Raiser III - August 1992
Buffy the Vampire Slayer - July 1992
Pet Sematary II - August 28, 1992
Bram Stoker's Dracula - Oct.20, 1992  (I'm counting the days!)
Dark Half - Fall 1992 (I hope for the best...could be straight to videotape)
Stepmonster - Fall 1992
To Sleep with a Vampire - Fall 1992 
 				Laurel

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From: mch@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)
Subject: Re: horror anthologies
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:51:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.085009.1779@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:
>I am interested in locating any compilations of short works by various 
>horror writers along the same vein as Dark Forces, which was edited by 
>Kirby McCauley.  In Dark Forces, McCauley brought in everyone from Stephen 
>King (The Mist) to Dennis Etchison (The Late Shift) to Ted Sturgeon (
>Vengence Is--I think) and Joyce Carol Oates (the Bingo Master).  I'm 
>interested in finding another anthology along these lines.  Nothing with 
>excessive gore, rather, something that plays on tension, character 
>development and subtle horror...

The following are very high quality anthologies of this type of horror:

Shadows (10 volumes) - Grant (ed)
Whispers (6 volumes)  - Schiff (ed)

All of these are available in paperback and aren't too hard to find in
used bookstores.

Mark
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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Gerald's Game  ***MILD SPOILER***
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:00:47 GMT

Kevin Roberts says he didn't much like _Gerald's_Game_.

Andrea has another opinion, writing:
>	I really have to disagree with your assessment of Gerald's Game.  I 
>thought it was as taut and horrifying as Misery.  The whole character of 
>Jessie is both sympathetic and realistic.  She's complex and not 
>necessarily all that easy to like at times, but I thought King's ability to 
>get inside the woman's psyche was far superior to a lot of the recent stuff 
>he's done.  I wonder if this book has more appeal to women than it does men 
>because this is so much a woman's story.  What do some of the rest of you 
>who've read Gerald's Game think?

I liked Jessie.  I liked her psychological development--so far as it
went.  I didn't think he took the character *far* enough, though.  She
doesn't seem to be changing as dramatically, as a result of her ordeal,
as Paul Sheldon did through his, or Donna Trenton (_Cujo_) did through
hers.  I thought her fervent pursuit of the real identity of the bones-
-n-jewelry man, and her spitting on him in court, were extremely tangen-
tial plot elements.  I cared about Jessie as a person, especially in
her believability as an abuse survivor, but I couldn't care about the
man in the corner--well, at least not as much as *she* did.  Stephen
King misfires, somehow, in his development of that part of the plot:
it's as if he stuck the ending from another book--one about the
boogeyman--onto _Gerald's_Game_.

Also, _Gerald's_Game_ just isn't as *nervy* a book as _Misery_: it
doesn't read as if Stephen King suffered through Jessie's torments with
her.  My first reading of _Misery_ was almost painful, so much did I feel
that Stephen King *himself* was sweating blood as he wrote that book.
Can anyone doubt that King himself got the shudders over the scene
with the ax?

I just didn't sense that King was as deeply emotionally invested in the
writing of _Gerald's_Game_.  It doesn't seem like a book that he *had*
to write--that weird necessity that drives his best work--like _The_
_Shining_ and _Misery_--and even _Pet_Sematery_--and allows his
prose to transcend its awkwardness through sheer force of emotion.

						--Fiona Webster
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From: kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe)
Subject: Robert Macammond (sp??)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 02:45:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


Went to a used book store on the weekend and picked up a few
Robert Macammond (sorry about the spelling....I know it doesn't
look right) books.  1...Stinger    2...Swan Song   3...They
Thirst   4...hmmm..forget the name, but its about some guy that
changes into a wolf during the war.  I haven't read any of his
stuff before.  Although I will eventually read these books, any
comments on the author??
From: z_mccullocca@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Edgar Allan Poe/thought-provoking
Date: 25 Jul 92 20:08:47 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Edgar Allan Poe

He is one of the classic horror in away

I have reread THE CASK OF AMONTILLADO

and

THE FALL OF THE HOUSE OF USHER

THese stories are not much in blood but thought-provoking 

I like the stories when cause me to wonder 
THOUGHT PROVOKING is what is need to today specially in the movies
I am glad I do not have a tv with the blood/sex on tv today lack of 
thought-provoking

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe)
Subject: Re: Robert Macammond (sp??)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 02:17:20 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: david.vaughan@rose.com (david vaughan)
Subject: Skipp and Spector...
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:41:05 GMT
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Date Entered: 07-23-92 03:36
K(> From: kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin Roberts)

K(>         The next thing I read from these guys was _The Scream_ 
which was
K(> not quite as good but was still n above average horror novel. They have, I
K(> believe, two other novels out, _The Tunnel_ may be one of them and I TOTALLY
K(> forget the name of the others. Unfortunately I cannot find these in local
K(> bookstores.
K(> 
K(>         Question time...
K(>         Has anyone seen these other two books, I'm not sure that they are
K(> readily available and/or still in print.
K(>         Does anyone know how good these other two books are?

'The Tunnel' to which you refer is probably 'The Light at the End'. 
It's their first novel, about a punk vampire trashing N.Y. while 
valiant citizens hunt him down.  Entertaining but hardly great 
literature.  Haven't read any other novels by these two.  I did read 
the first 'Book of the Dead' anthology, edited by Skipp and Spector 
as a kind of tribute to George Romero.  Fairly good anthology, 
especially if you're into splatterpunk.  Their other novels, besides 
those already mentioned, are 'The Clean-up' and 'The Bridge'.

K(>         Has anyone heard anything about their plan on to do a joint musical-
K(> literature project? I believe that the goal was to write a soundtrack for a
K(> novel. I don't know exactly how this would work, what with different reading
K(> speeds and stoping in the middle of chapters and what-not.
K(> 

Their last novel was an environmental horror novel called 'The 
Bridge' and, yes, they did record an album as a soundtrack.  I've 
heard one track, and decided to give it a pass.  Pretty hardcore 
stuff.  If you like metal, you might like it.  It's been independently 
released, and, alas, I've lost the mail order address.  They've also 
written and recorded music for 'The Scream' and possibly for other 
novels as well.

David Vaughan
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
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Subject: Re: Overview of King/Question?
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:07:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul21.204633.141@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_mccullocca@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>First I want to address if I should try to read:
>  The Stand
>I was unable to get myself to finish It or The Talisman or Eyes of The Dragon
>I do not want to waste my money on THe Stand if I will not understand it.
>Have yall read Cycle of the Werewolf???? I enjoyed it for being short.
>I like watching The Children of the Corn
>Maximun Overdrive was okay not over impressing
>I do not care for movies or Tv 
>There is life after KING. nut the best book by king to me is The Dark Tower
>series (The Draw of the Three)
>Tomorrow I will give my opinion of Gerald I will finish tonight

I say "go for it" as far as reading "The Stand" goes. Remember that in the
case of "The Talisman", King was writing with Peter Straub, so there were two
views to deal with (not in a bad way) while reading which can make things
difficult. I think you will understand "The Stand" if you give it a chance.
Did you think "It" was that hard to deal with? I enjoyed it. It sounds to me
like you are more into the "science fiction" King. In that case, if you have
not already read them, try "Tommyknockers" (I still hear the little poem in my
head sometimes), "Four Past Midnight" (three are basically horror, but The
Langoliers is (as someone already pointed out) more adventure and I think
science fiction-like), "The Stand" (if you decide to try it). I liked "Cycle
of the Werewolf" and I thought its screenplay "Silver Bullet" was fairly well
done. I actually got to know the characters more in the screenplay this time
which is a very rare occasion! The movie "Children of the Corn" turned out to
be less like the short story than I imagined it could be (same with "Lawnmower
Man"!) I agree with your assessment of "Maximum Overdrive", though I thought
the short story "Trucks" (it was based on that if I remember correctly?) was
very good! I still have to read "Gerald's Game"...can't wait! You have to
excuse me for going on and on, kinghead that I am! 
				Laurel (Yes, Ken, you are every bit as avid 
					a horror fan as me!) 
____________________________________________________________________________
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From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: horror anthologies
Date: 24 Jul 92 08:50:09 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

I am interested in locating any compilations of short works by various 
horror writers along the same vein as Dark Forces, which was edited by 
Kirby McCauley.  In Dark Forces, McCauley brought in everyone from Stephen 
King (The Mist) to Dennis Etchison (The Late Shift) to Ted Sturgeon (
Vengence Is--I think) and Joyce Carol Oates (the Bingo Master).  I'm 
interested in finding another anthology along these lines.  Nothing with 
excessive gore, rather, something that plays on tension, character 
development and subtle horror.  If anyone out there knows of a good 
anthology of this sort, OR if you know of another along these lines that 
McCauley has edited, could you let me know?  Thanks.

Andrea @ BVC

Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu (Griffy)
Subject: Re: Scariest Horror Movie
Reply-To: tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 05:36:26 GMT

In article <mr5or*Db0@luser.UUCP>, mikeg@luser.UUCP (Mike Gallenstein) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.131415.6568@nic.funet.fi>, Tapio Keih{nen writes:
>
>> funny in his movies :-). Do you know in which movies he appears? I
>> know these ones:
>> - Pet Sematary
>> - Creepshow
>> - Maximum Overdrive
>> - Sleepwalkers
>> 
>
>To my understanding, King makes a cameo appearence in every movie adaption of
>his books.  There is an exception, but I can't remember which movie it is. 
>Creepshow is the only one I know of where he starred in.

   I don't think he was in CARRIE.

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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Anyone but Stephen King
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 03:11:58 GMT

Mark Harrison writes:
>I don't know if we are talking about the same guy or not, but Dean R.
>Koontz has used the name Joe Lansdale as a pen name in the past.  Just
>though I would point that out.

No way.  Joe R. Lansdale is a good ol' boy who lives in east Texas and
writes some of the best little ol' horror stories you could ever wish
for in your wildest dreams.  I have heard a lot of pseudonyms for
Koontz, but Joe Lansdale is not one of them.

							--Fiona
From: ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark L. Stackpole)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Gerald's Game - Woman at Well
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:42:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


No flames, since I don't have a copy of the novel with me.
In GG there are a couple of scenes when the wife has a vision/
memory of a woman is a housedress, her slip piled up beside her,
looking down a well. One time she pops up is right after the child
abuse scene. Does anyone know how this ties into the plot? Is 
this a preview of _Dolores Claybourn_ (to be published this 
Xmas)? Thank you
Mark Stackpole   pacnet@rocky.claremont.edu
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Help me, King buffs!
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:32:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul22.131312.20405@newstand.syr.edu> dmpowell@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Darin M. Powell) writes:
>	About this "90 short stories" bit...
>
>	Not everything King writes is published in his books, people.
>	Short story collections are only (usually) put together after
>	enoght material has been published to _make_ one...which means
>	King often publishes elsewhere.
>  You just gotta look for it.
>  Darin Powell
I know everything he writes isn't published in his books. I just wanted to
know if anyone had heard of any that I possibly hadn't, which you have. Sorry
but just because I am a King fan doesn't mean I have been able to get my hands
on -everything-!
		Laurel

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From: obusek@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Obusek)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Gerald's Game (was re: psychological)
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:52:20 GMT
Reply-To: obusek@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brenda Obusek)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.horror, kmrobert@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kevin Roberts) writes:
>        Hmmmm... I actually never thought of this book possibly being more
>successful with woman... Dunderheaded of me, true. I just honestly never got
>to like the woman and never much cared about anything that happened to her.
>
On the subject of Gerald's Game's appeal to women ...

My personal opinion is that every woman in any King novel has been severely
underdeveloped and stereotypical. I can't recall any woman from any
of his books having any kind of career or interest of her own, only
things that centered around "her man." I'm no flaming feminist or anything,
but if you really think about this point, I think you'll find it's true.
Jessie in Gerald's Game is no exception. Her entire life had been centered
around her husband.

I choose to overlook this flaw in King's literary style however, because
I do enjoy his books. I enjoyed Gerald's Game a lot, and even enjoyed
the ending, which many of you think was too drawn out. I felt that finding
out that the ghoul was real made him that much more frightening to me.
I've caught myself a couple of times since reading the book waking up
in the middle of the night and looking at the closet, remembering the
imagery that I had had while reading those sections.

I do agree however, that I didn't ever develop any feeling for Jessie,
in fact I got to where I really didn't like her at all .. she was reduced
to a sniveling whiner in my mind by the end, but again, I did enjoy
the book.

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From: z_mccullocca@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Dean R. Koontz
Date: 25 Jul 92 17:08:49 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University



          Does not have to be real life but not out and out fantasy

Dean R. Koontz writes some very interesting stories.

I am starting to read THE HOUSE OF THUNDER

The books he writes that are one word titles are the best.

My favorite is Phantoms

There are many of his books that I still have not read yet.

Everything Starts as Somebody's daydream
         Does not have to be real life but not out and out fantasy
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From: oopcv@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Gerald's Game  ***MILD SPOILER***
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:37:14 GMT
Reply-To: oopcv@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

>Also, _Gerald's_Game_ just isn't as *nervy* a book as _Misery_: it
>doesn't read as if Stephen King suffered through Jessie's torments with
>her.  My first reading of _Misery_ was almost painful, so much did I feel
>that Stephen King *himself* was sweating blood as he wrote that book.

I propose that this may simply be a result of the difficulty of a man writing
from a woman's point of view.  I can't recall ever having read anything where a
male or female author wrote from the point of view of the opposite sex in such
a way that the conflict wasn't detectable.  Men and women tend to look at the
world a little differently, IMHO, and their reactions reflect this angle.

Cheryl
From: slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: horror anthologies
Date: 28 Jul 92 09:53:24 MDT
Organization: United Order of Non-joiners

laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
> In article <1992Jul24.085009.1779@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:
>>development and subtle horror.  If anyone out there knows of a good 
>>anthology of this sort, OR if you know of another along these lines that 
>>McCauley has edited, could you let me know?  Thanks.
> 
> Try Ramsey Campbell's "Dark Companions". Do you like werewolf or vampire
> stories or both? Try "The Ultimate Werewolf" and "The Ultimate Dracula". There
> is also "The Ultimate Frankenstein", which you may be interested in. I forget
> who the editor of these is right now, but I can get back to you. There are
> 
     Byron Preiss edited the "Ultimate Monster" series of books, which
aren't worth cover price, IMHO.  I paid less, thanks to the SFBC, but
all in all I'd rather have borrowed them from the local library.  Too
many variations on a theme.  Although there are one or two good
stories per book, as is the case with most anthologies, they aren't
good enough to justify the high cost.

     I think my biggest complaint with the books is that the
Frankenstein monster is the butt of too many jokes.  He suffers more
indignities than the other two combined.
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From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: What is the deal???
Date: 23 Jul 92 08:54:04 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Jul22.113926.151@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_mccullocca@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> I want to know what king is up to :::::
> 
>       Finished Gerald's Game what a waste of time 
> 
> I liked the beginning forget it after that.
> The direction he has been taken could be alot better
> 
> Guess that what happen to people when greed be come overwhelming.
> 
> The end of the book was like another writer ended it for him.  Does
> King have an problem finishing book or what??
> 
> Hope wonder for the next book I would wait three years for another
> King book if he would write the way he use to.
> 
> Is he just going to end the dark tower series with some kind of 
> stupid ending like the last book it will be a sad day  if so.
> 
> "Dreams are Doorways" Dark Tower Waste Land
> 
I think for most avid King fans who really get into the gore and non-stop 
action and tension he's so good at doing, there's going to be a lot of 
disappointment with Gerald's Game because it's unlike everything else he's 
done.  On the other hand, I really admire some of the risks he took with 
this piece.  He sticks primarily with one character--and certainly only 
with her point of view (very unlike King--he prefers to skip around to 
various vantage points), he tries it for the first time (successfully) with 
a female character, and he limits the scope ( I appreciated the much better 
editing job done on this piece--as opposed to It and Needful Things that 
had a lot of gratuitous crap that could have been cut).  I wonder, too, 
what your problem with the ending of this book is.  I liked the follow 
through for a change; it gave me a sense for where this character was going 
after the story itself concluded. (I also got a kick out of his use of 
Norris Ridgewick since I'd just finished reading Needful Things the week 
before.)  I think this is certainly different from what he's written in the 
past, but I appreciate the growth.

Andrea @ BVC
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