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From: sawyer@utahep.uta.edu (Lee Sawyer)
Subject: Re: How to serve Samichlaus
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Organization: University of Texas at Arlington High Energy Physics Group
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.183616.5275@starbase.trincoll.edu>,  () writes...
>In article <16DEC199209123125@utahep.uta.edu>, sawyer@utahep.uta.edu (Lee
>Sawyer) wrote:
>> 
>>     For the first time, I was able to lay my hands on a six of Samichlaus.
>> I am having some fellow beer snobs over tonight for a tasting. The question is:
>> At what temperature should it be served ? Chilled like Chimay, or at room
>> temperature like Thomas Hardy ? 
>> 
> 
>Warm warm warm!!! I would recommend cellar temperature or slighlty warmer.
>Chimay chilled? Someone had advised you most unjustly. Such a delicate ale
>should be enjoyed between cellar and room temperature, according to your
>taste.
>The flavor of only a few beers can be fully enjoyed when chilled (by which
>I mean an hour or more in the refrigerator). Guinness is one of these.
>Foster's is another. Chimay and Samichlaus do not, in my opinion, qualify
>as one of the "chillables."
> 

    Thanks for the suggestion - however, I find we are slightly at odds.
I am a _big_ Chimay fan, and I have had it chilled and warm and prefer it
slightly chilled. I believe the serving temperature suggestion on the bottle
said something in the 40 F (it's been a couple of months and I forget.)
On the other hand I really do enjoy Guinness at room temp.

  Still we will try the Samichlaus at cellar temperature, as you suggest.
Is part of the problem the fact that I am in Texas and you are Conn ;-) ?

       ================                           
         Lee Sawyer                                  

         Dept of Physics                          
         Univ. of Texas                            
               at Arlington
From: math1rb@elroy.uh.edu (92F07486)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Pubs in Houston, TX...???
Date: 14 Dec 1992 15:56 CST
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Does anyone have any favorite pubs in Houston, TX area? I've been to many
pubs/bars over the past few years and have yet to find a decent one that
stays decent. I don't do the yuppie-thing, and would like one with a
young crowd...
 Downtown's La Carafe used to be great, but they remodeled it, new crowd, etc..
 Gingerman (??) or is it Gingerbreadman?? anyhow its gone rather yuppie, but
tolerable on some nights...
 Richmond Arms...naaah

adios

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From: rynkie@buchmf.bu.edu (Michael Rynkiewicz)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Need help from Boston
Keywords: Mass ID
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:46:46 GMT
Organization: Boston University Chemistry Department

I have lived in Boston for the past 6 years and you are somewhat mistaken
about the laws around here. The liquor ID card you refer to only costs
$15, but the guy at the DMV is a bit tyrannical about making sure that you
are indeed 21 years old. Also, I have seen posters saying that in this state,
you have to be 21 to drink with Mass ID, but you can use out-of-state ID if
you are over 25.
This may be a throwback to Puritan times, but enforcing the 21 drinking age
(which, by the way, I disagree with but unfortunately exists) would be damn
near impossible with 15-20% of the population of the city of Boston being
transient college students desparate to get a drink in a club. The bar is
just protecting itself from the cops around here, who routinely bust places
for underage drinking. 
Besides which, I have been in several bars in this city since I've turned
21, and most don't card. It seems to me that you just stuck to the tourist
bars, who are facist about carding people, even if they are 60.



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From: jftheysm@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Jef)
Subject: Re: Samichlaus '91
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:22:30 GMT

 A couple of things...
Samichlaus is brewed one day a yeay on Dec 6. not the 25 it may be Chistmas day in sweeden but thats when it's brewed (read the bottle) also, there is no way that Samichlause 92 could be out as it is aged for 11 monthes before botteling.  (oncew again read the bottle) nHappy drinking and remember, sit down when you drink this one 
It is nectar of the gods.

--Fej--
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From: afd@bellcore.com (Alex F. Dietz)
Subject: Re: American beer all sucks
Reply-To: afd@bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 13:44:51 GMT


Whoops!  Somebody went home and left their login session active!
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From: jurista@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.jurista)
Subject: Central NJ Pubs
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:44:41 GMT

Hello, fellow connoisseurs:

I'm looking for information on good pubs in Central and Western New
Jersey.  I live in the Clinton/Phillipsburg area, and I work in
Somerset.  My only criteria are that the place have a non-college
atmosphere (i.e., everyone really IS over 21) and that they stock
more than five beers.

Please e-mail me with a reply as I do not have the opportunity to
read this group regularly.

Here's a positive contribution to trade for my grovel:

I used to live in Albany, NY, where I had the pleasure of frequenting
Mahar's Pub.  They stocked over 150 brands regularly, plus weekly
specials.  I recommend it to anyone in the Albany area.  It's on
Madison Avenue at North Allen street, next to Bruegger's Bagels.

Many thanks in advance!

Jim Jurista
From: ci229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrew Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: LOOKING FOR SOME SEASONAL ALES
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:27:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ci229@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrew Miller)
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I'm looking for some good winter/holiday ales --can anybody suggest some
good ones??  Please reply directly to me, as I do not reguarly follow this 
news group.

                              -Andrew
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From: ST1T0@jetson.uh.edu (Carl Seiler)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Anchor Porter...
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:53:23 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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In <5RiaVB1w165w@seashell.mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@seashell.mintir.new-orleans.la.us writes:

>  Picked up a six pack of Anchor Porter yesterday.  I haven't had it in ages, and
>  it really hit the spot tonight.  I remember having it recommended to me as an
>  alternative to stouts, which are so strong that they put off aa lot of folks.
>  Can anyone recommend other good porters to try that are available here?

I find your post to be quite interesting.  I like Guinness Stout, but 
I can't seem to choke down Anchor Porter, which I think tastes like 
extra thick pine tar.  I've only had Anchor Porter on tap, though, and 
have been told it is sometimes better in bottles, but I'm much to 
afraid to try it after my bad experience.

Carl


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From: casey@lexmark.com (Patrick Casey)
Subject: Re: American beer all sucks
X-Disclaimer: These views are the poster's and not necessarily those of Lexmark
Reply-To: pacasey@lexmark.com
Organization: Lexmark International, Lexington KY
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:25:47 GMT


Isn't it true that Canadian beers aren't really that much stronger
than U.S. beers (I'm talking about Budmilloors, Molbatt's, etc.)?

I talked with some Canadians recently and they had the same
misconceptions about Canadian beers being stronger, but I never got
around to showing them the section about Canada in Jackson's book,
where he says that much of the misunderstanding about strength comes
from the fact that Canada reports alcohol by volume, and the U.S. does
it by weight.  (did I get that right?).

It was also interesting to hear the misconceptions that some Germans
have about Belgian beer when I was over there recently...

Oh well, RDWHAH or a good commercial brew!

- Patrick
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From: holnessi@jeff-lab.QueensU.CA (Iain Holness)
Subject: Re: Grolsch...
Organization: Queen's University, Kingston
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:28:11 GMT

In article <brewer.042k@meltdown.chi.il.us>, brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Wilson) writes:

> Personally, I don't care for Grolsch.  I DO like the  swing-top bottles,
> though.  They are very nice for when I bottle homebrew.  Beyond that, I really
> have no need of it.
> 
> Mike Wilson
> brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us

Actually, a friend and I buy a couple of bottles each holiday season about Xmas for
just that purpose. I find it a tad too bitter for my tastes, but that always
depends on what I am munching down at the same time.
From: schlick+@cs.cmu.edu (Steven Schlick)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Anchor Steam Christmas Ale
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:44:56 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Dec14.120042.1@vax1.tcd.ie> blucey@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
>
>Folly : dont Drink Ale ( barf, puke, retch )
>Drink Guinness
>
>No Beer Comes Near !!!!!!

I'd take an Anchor Steam Christmas Ale over a pint of Guiness any day.
Don't get me wrong, I do like Guiness.  But compared to most Anchor Steam
products, Guiness has no hops!

>Brian M Lucey

Later,
Steve
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From: wodarz@panther.mot.com (Dennis Wodarz)
Subject: Beer Camp
Reply-To: wodarz@panther.mot.com
Organization: INFO Enterprizes (A Motorola Company)
Distribution: Everywhere
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:07:50 GMT


Some outfit in Ohio is offering a 3 day "Beer Camp"
that includes beer making, beer tastings, a pub crawl 
and various speakers.

Has anyone been to this or know any more about ir?

	Dennis Wodarz
	wodarz@panther.mot.com

	INFO Enterprises (A Motorola Company)
	3260 N. Colorado St.
	Chandler, AZ 85225

	602 545-6360
	602 545-6353 FAX
From: schuyler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (S. Schuyler Stultz)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Corona and Mexican Beer
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:19:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Dec15.190933.22182@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com writes:
>no lie just saw it yesterday. said nothing bout being from iowa.
>black bottle.
>brownish label reads .
>SYMPATICO across bottle
>and around it says Imported from Mexico.
>so maybe they are lying or they moved to mexico.

I bought a six of Simpatico Reserve a few months back and said it was brewed
in Iowa.  There was no mention at all of Mexico from what I remember. 
My friends used to call if a Mexican Beer and I was confused as to why, but
seeing your post I can see why now.  

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From: tina@IASTATE.EDU (Christina Reinhard)
Subject: Brew Pub in Des Moines,IA
Keywords: Brew Pub
Reply-To: tina@IASTATE.EDU (Christina Reinhard)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:45:55 GMT


 Hello,

    Does anybody know if there is a brew pub/microbrewery
 in Des Moines IA. ?

    Regards,
                Tom
From: hkhagena@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Hinnerk Hagenah)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Weiss Bier - the truth!!!
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:29:13 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
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Just to inform you, Radler is an expression used in the southern parts of Germany, especially Bavaria. In northern Germany the same drink is usually called Alster. The equivalent for Diesel is Moorwasser. 


Bye Hinnerk

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From: jdecarlo@mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Subject: Re: Anchor Steam Christmas Ale
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean  VA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:15:33 GMT

In article <jeffw.724455951@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>
 jeffw@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Jeff Weidner) writes:

>So, does anyone know the full story of the term "steam" when used to
>describe beer?  

Undoubtedly.  I have even read articles on the subject.  But I can't find 
the whole story in my references on hand.

>I think it has to do with the conditions during brewing in the early days
>of west coast beer making.  Wasn't it brewed at a much higher temperature
>than beers elsewhere?

Well, during the late 1800's, mechanical refrigeration (as opposed to ice 
caves, say, which are natural) allowed brewing lager beers anywhere in the 
world.  However, out on the frontier in California, such luxuries were not 
easily available, so brewers did the next best thing and used cold air.  

>Are these conditions still present during the manufacture of "Anchor
>Steam"?  How about other beers?  Do any other beers call themselves
>"steam"?

Anchor pipes in cold air from their location in San Francisco.  They can 
reliably get 50-55 degree air year round, to cool the fermentors, which are 
large shallow pans.  This is roughly what other steam beer brewers did.

Anchor trademarked the use of "Steam" for beers, so no other brewers that 
have to pay attention to U.S. Trademark law use that term.


John DeCarlo, MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA--My views are my own
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From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Brew Pub in Des Moines,IA
Date: 14 Dec 1992 22:12:42 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
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Keywords: Brew Pub

In article <1992Dec14.134555@IASTATE.EDU>, tina@IASTATE.EDU (Christina Reinhard) writes:
|> 
|>  Hello,
|> 
|>     Does anybody know if there is a brew pub/microbrewery
|>  in Des Moines IA. ?
|> 

I believe the only one is in Iowa City, though I left the state before coming
of age... so I can't tell you specifics.

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From: hellerS@moravian.edu (sjh)
Subject: Saranac?
Keywords: Saranac
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 22:43:30 EST

This was no doubt discussed before, but...we now can get Saranac Lager and
I tried it tonight for the first time. Not bad stuff @ ~$14/24. Kruesened
and nicely hopped. I was not dissappointed.
From: math1rb@elroy.uh.edu (92F07486)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: keg size
Date: 15 Dec 1992 09:27 CST
Organization: University of Houston
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In article <2D5BVB3w165w@seashell.mintir.new-orleans.la.us>, elendil@seashell.mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes...
>us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi) writes:
> 
>>
>> I remember the good old days of 2 gallon kegs.  (circa 1978)
>> They looked like the
>> aluminum 8 gallon kegs, they were just smaller.  Two gallons seemed
>> like just the right amount for so many occasions.
>>

As far as I know I've always heard of them referred to as "Pony" kegs. And I
think some liquor stores still carry them, but I'm not sure... I know some
of the liquor warehouses carry some, like Bitberger, but it tastes kind of
crappy.
 Another alternative is the party balls, which can be found for most US
brews. The quality is excellent, and are great for certain occasions, but
usually one is not enough if there are more than 4 or 5, or if you doing
some serious drinking...


>Warsteiner makes what looks like a miniature keg that can't be more than 2-3
>liters in volume.  Comes with its own little tap mechanism.  I think I might
>give it a try for a friend's Super Bowl party next month.>

Adios,
  Dave


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From: cowan@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu (P.L. Cowan)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Beer of the Year.
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:59:49 -0800
Organization: SSRL, Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lab
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I hereby nominate Pilsner Urquell as "Beer of the Year", due to its
wide-spread appearence on draught in the US this year. Best beer news
of the decade! 8^)

Paul Cowan     
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From: michelle@theloop.Central.Sun.COM (Michelle Donat SE Chicago Loop )
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Weinkeller holiday beerr
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:51:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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I have the great good fortune to live walking distance from the Weinkeller, and have had their
Holiday beer many times.... YUM!  Also, if it is in season (or available) try their Doppelbock and 
their Octoberfest beer.  I was told by a good friend, who really doesn't drink all that much beer
that  this was really great beer (the doppelbock).  They also made earlier this year a ESB
(yes a bitters).  I did not get bottles, but tried it on draught.  It was very good, but unfortunately,
I have never had a chance to try a real bitters (read: from the other side of the pond), but on
it's own it was a very good beer. Any idea if any bitters are imported that I can find?

If you are looking for a real good hearty beer from the midwest, try Baderbrau, and their Bock,
This stuff, IMHO, is the best beer that I can find in the Chicago area.  They are producing their
Bock year-round because it was the first specialty beer that they have made, and until they
get more out (octoberfest, weiss), they will make this year round.  It should be available almost
nation-wide, as Paterno Importers is distributing it nationwide.

If you cant find Baderbrau, e-mail me, and I will give you the phone# -they will ship UPS!
Keywords: 


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From: ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Pete's Wicked Ale
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:01:17 GMT

If I buy Pete's around here, it is brewed under licence in Minnesota (I can't
remember the brewer off hand).  It is an excellent beer, but is it identical
to the original?  Can anyone with extensive experience of both versions
comment?

(Normally underlicence beers are changed for local tastes, for instance
Budweiser brewed in Ireland was commented on by an American to actually
taste like a beer, and all lagers brewed in Britain have that 'special
taste'.  I even had one recently - by accident.  I assumed John Courage
would be a Pale Ale!).


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From: ech@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Australia +NZ Micros +brewpubs wanted!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:42:45 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada



My Dad is heading to Australia, New Zealand and (Ibelieve) the Cook Islands.
I would like to send him off with a list of fine drinking establishments,
so if you have a favourite brewpub or microbrewery in Oz or NZ, or a list
that someone else has compiled and passed to you, could you possibly send 
it my way?  I'll have to compile the mail I get, so I can post the end result
as well.
	Thanks.

	Ed Hitchcock	|;-{)}
	ech@ac.dal.ca

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From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Weiss bier
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:26:13 GMT

> dunl@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>Speaking of Weissbier s, anyone know if Paulaner's Hefe-Weissbier is 
>imported into the USA?

Yes.

A friend of mine has been able to buy it at a store in the Hinsdale,
LaGrange, Willowbrook area.  (Sorry, I live in Boulder, now, so I don't
know exactly where he gets it.)

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From: an314@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Timothy Golobic)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: How big is a keg?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:24:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an314@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Timothy Golobic)
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In a previous article, image@leland.Stanford.EDU (John B. Mooney) says:

>Greetings:
>
>Just how big is a normal keg?  What about a pony-keg?  And a party
>ball?   How many 12-oz beers are in a keg?  (I can probably do the
>division myself, but still!)

a party ball is typically five gallons which equals
	two 24 cases plus a six pack plus spit leftover
a 1/4 barrell (pony keg to some) is 3.5 cases of beer (24 case)
1 1/2 barrell (normal keg) is 7 cases of beer (24 case)

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