HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ajb8886@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: ++Pontiac Idle at ~4-5,000 RPM-Help?!++
Reply-To: ajb8886@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:47:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.132014.28218@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber) writes:
>I have a 1983 Pontiac 2000 SE that started running very rough and idling at 
>about 4,500 RMP (Normally at 10-11,000 RMP).  I recently had to be towed to get

       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  
 
I'm assuming that it is idling at 450-500 RPM instead of the normaly 1000-1100
RPM.  


>a new timing belt-I had ripped all the teeth of of mine!  The mechanic (who has

OUCH.  If your timing belt stripped, and your engine is not of the freewheeling
type (ask your dealer about this engine, or hopefully someone here will know
directly whether this engine is "free-wheeling"), then the pistons may have
crashed against the valves.   

If that's the case, you've got one hell of an expensive job ahead of you.

However, if your mechanic knows his stuff, and verified that the valve train
wasn't damaged (and I'm of course assuming that the valve cam timing was set
correctly when the new belt was installed), then it may just be as simple
a problem as an incorrectly set idle.

>done QUALITY work for me at a very fair price) mentioned that it was running 
>rough and that I should get it back in.  My (soon-to-be) Father-in-law said 
>that his van did the same thing and it ended up being the 'HEAD GASKET.'  I 
>have replaced the 'Valve Cover Gasket' but haven't had to mess with the other.

Replacing the valve cover gasket doesn't generally solve any problems other
than oil dripping out of the valve train.

Head gaskets can blow, resulting in a loss of compression.  From the
description of your problem, I would think this would be a much less likely
case than that of damaged/crashed valves.






>
>Also, I have never had much of a problem running for 3K miles on Five quarts of
>oil, but at about 2K I had NO oil on the dipstick.
>

Ouch.  Methinks this engine is about to expire.  

The high oil consumption may indeed be due to a damaged valve train, worn
pistons, oil leaks...........(insert long list here).

Alex



>Do these signs indicate the Head Gasket???  Please email me to let me know what
>you know!!!
>-- 
>THE HYPEMAN.
>1983 Pontiac 2000 SE   1983 Honda Nighthawk 650   DECEMBER 12,1992
>   "BABY BOOOM"             MINT CONDITION         "TIE THE KNOT"
> 'SYSTEM FOR SALE'            "FOR SALE"
From: srj@key.COM (Scott R. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Analog Brake Light
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:36:13 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced Systems, Fremont CA

In article <1992Nov11.155819.22074@osf.org>, kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes:
> In article <lg01i5INNqlv@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
> >The device had the basic effect of riviting the attention of most
> >following drivers on the car with the brake blinker.
> 
> >Drop it!  It's been tried and it was really stupid.
> 
> NO- It was *not* stupid. Once again, it was the stupidity of the public that
> killed a very good idea.

So epileptics having seizures from the high-speed blinking are stupid?

I would approve of something such as "the harder you push, the
brighter the light", as opposed to the strobe effect of the
CyberLight.

 > > (I personally think that anyone who can't tell from depth perception how fast 
 > a car's slowing down doesn't need to be behind the wheel of a car anyway.)

At night, your depth perception gets reduced (at least mine does) and
an indication of "I'm stopping QUICKLY" would be useful.

On a different note, how about some kind of signal that signals a
U-Turn?  I had always thought that a double blink for a U-Turn would
be useful (just push the lever down to a second click)

-- 
  --srj           It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone 
       o_O        underwear.                                   --Norm Peterson
      =( ) =      ------------------------------------------------------------
        U   Ack!  Scott Johnson  Amdahl Adv. Sys. srj@key.amdahl.com  623-2333
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Subject: Re: Detectors legal in California?
Reply-To: aefron@cornerstone.com (Andrew Efron)
Organization: Cornerstone Research, Cambridge, Mass.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:24:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.190216.3832@microware.com>, troyf@microware.com (Troy 
Frericks) writes:

> Radar detectors are LEGAL in all states execept DC, VA, CT.  I beleave VA 
just repealed 
> their
> law (1-Oct-92), although it may have been VA (can't remember which).  
Detectors are 
> ILLEGAL
> in all of Canada.

I don't know about VA, but Connecticut repealed its detector law.

Andy


---
"I have seen the truth and it makes no sense."
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: djs1539@cc.utah.edu (SEGAL, DAVID JAY)
Subject: New fender for Excel
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date:  9 Nov 1992 20:58 MST  

1) Is it possible for me to buy a new, painted front fender for my '89 
Excel for less than my local Hyundai dealer is asking ($80)?
2) If so, how would I go about gettin me one?

- Dave Segal
- University of Utah, Biochemistry

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Corvette Turbo
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 23:47:26 GMT

In article 10546@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, ctoth@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher M Toth) writes:
>	Do Corvette's come in Turbo form? I was wondering if I could
>get a Corvette Turbo. Have they ever come with a Turbo?

You never heard of the Callaway Twin-Turbo Corvette??? :+)
You can get one if you can find one, but it'll cost ya! :+)

>Thanks!

No problem.

Torque Monger

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Is GM going bankrupt ???
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:43:54 GMT

In article <BxLF65.752@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>>>I am curious to know if a rumor the GM is going bankrupt is true 
>>>or not?  I live in Indiana where GM is a very big employer.  I am 
>>>curious to know because if GM is going to go under, it could have 
>>>a devistating effect on the state's economy.
>>>Any insights greatly appreciated,
>>
>
>	If GM goes out of business, that's all she wrote for the US.  The 
>government might as well go out of business.  Anyway, the government bailed
>out Chrysler, and I see no reason why it would not do the same if times were
>that bad.  As for now, It WILL NOT HAPPEN.  Don't worry.
>-- 

but bet on some big changes at oldsmobile and possible saturn!
From: ebergman@phaedrus.East.Sun.COM (Eric Bergman)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Mazda interest group
Date: 5 Nov 1992 14:44:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: na
Reply-To: ebergman@phaedrus.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: phaedrus.east.sun.com
Keywords: mazda mx6 mx-6

I recently purchased a Mazda MX-6.
Is there a mailing list/interest group for Mazda
and/or this car?

TIA,

Eric
From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1993 BMW 325is
Date: 12 Nov 1992 08:48:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin Chiu-Wen Chen) says:

>Does anyone have any information on the 1993 BMW 325is?  I am getting one soon but I don't know when the new cars will arrive and the price.  Would someone pleae supply some information.
>thanks in advance.
>
>
>

I am considering either this car or the VW Corrado VR6.  The last time I
checked out the price of the 325is was about a month ago and that was at
about 29,000 for the manual and about 31,000 or 32,000 for the auto.  Full
options including leather interior.  I like the car and it feels a lot more
solid than the 4 door sedan, I guess since this coupe is actually based on
the 5 series.  However, although it does have 189hp on tap, it's
acceleration is not really up to my expectations.  Of course the handling
is always there, the new 3 series has a much more neutral handling than the
previious one.  Also, the interior has a little too much plastic for a car
of this price.  Other than those few niggling points, it's a beautiful car.
Just call 1-800-334-4BMW for more info and a free catalog.
-- 
A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA
Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

"The mind is the forerunner of all states."
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:13:24 GMT

>philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake) writes:
>You make it sound so easy......  Unfortunately, "everyone" does not agree on
>this one.  The problem is that most of the people who think the limit should be
>raised are people who ACTUALLY CAN DRIVE.  As you know if you've driven much
>in America, we skilled, thinking drivers are an oppressed minority, held down
>by restrictive laws and other drivers' idiocy.  There are so many drivers who
>aren't safe at 65.  What do you suppose they'd drive like at 90?  I don't want
>to think about it.  What we need is to begin by making people more fit to
>drive.  Here are a few key areas, IMHO:
>	Right lane fast, Left lane slow

85% of drivers consider themselves above average drivers.  Apparently you
are one of those 85%.   Me too.  :)

[Note:  If you couldn't figure out my first statement, you are below average
        in general.]
-- 
William R. Nau
Supercomputer Systems Engineering and Services Company (SSESCO)
511 11th Avenue South, Suite 216
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415-1536
(612) 342-0003

nau@SSESCO.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: AUTOMATICS CAN BE NICE! (Was Re: FLAME! On
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 02:39:26 GMT

In article HFG@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>>> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>[Lots of shit deleted]
>>>
>>>
>>>I drive that PONTIAC in a civilized way in traffic, but I wind up that 
>>>tach when alone on twisty mountain and country roads, and have some
>>>wonderful thrills! For me, a car is not a car if it resembles a toaster
>>>in looks and function. I have owned automatics and econoboxes but there
>>>was something missing. Would you buy a television set if you didn't like
>>>the picture or the sound? Of course not! 
>
>Obviously this person has not owned a real automatic.
>
>I am the proud owner of a 1981 Monte Carlo with a Turbo-Hydramatic 350
>automatic. The transmission was built for me by a friend who works in trans
>shop. Best $150.00 deal I ever made. Hell, it`s the best transmission I
>have ever owned.
>
>Anyway, the thing shifts rock hard. If this person had ever driven a
>car with a tranny like mine, he would not bitch about automatics. 
>
>There is nothing like the feeling of flooring it right off the line, letting
>the car get up to around 45-50 mph, shifting into second, and feeling the
>transmission _instantly_ shift into second gear as the tires break lose for
>just that split second. When you can shift a manual from first to second in
>less than a quarter of a second, then maybe you will understand. I get more
>compliments on this automatic`s operation than any stickshift I have ever
>driven.
>
>Don`t get me wrong, I like sticks too. But everyone has their preferences,
>so don`t knock it if you have never really had the chance to feel the best.

Don't get me wrong either. I just prefer sticks. Hope you did something
with that mushy/wobbly stock suspension when you modified that mushy/wobbly 
slushbox to your taste. At least your car is RWD! :+)

Torque Monger

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From: Brian.E.Hannon@dartmouth.edu (Brian E. Hannon)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Exploding rear windshield
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:40:21 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

The temperature differential between warm glass near the filaments of
the defogger and cold glass at other points could have caused
differential expansion of the glass.  This puts stress on the glass and
then it breaks.  Automotive glass should be strong enough to support
this stress, and the defogger shouldn't get that hot either...  I'd
complain to the service manager at your local chevy dealer and see if
he'll help you.  He's under no obligation though...  and that window
isn't going to be cheap to replace.

Bri
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Gettn off topic (was shoud there be two different licences)
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:39:55 GMT

>	Imagine how much fun snow driving would be if it weren't for the other
>	cars.

Never had more fun driving than after a 40 inch snow last Halloween.  Damn
that was fun.  My boat and a couple of pickups out on the road and that's
it.  A real good test for your car (and suspension) as you navigate
over (though) those five foot drifts.  :)

-- 
William R. Nau
Supercomputer Systems Engineering and Services Company (SSESCO)
511 11th Avenue South, Suite 216
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415-1536
(612) 342-0003

nau@SSESCO.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers
From: rao@tree.egr.uh.edu (Jagannatha  Rao)
Subject: Advice on a totalled car....
Keywords: At fault states....
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:05:14 GMT


(If these are not the right newsgroups for this issue, please so alert me)

I got into a wreck this morning on a freeway. I am fine, but my car got  
totalled.  The other driver got a citation for failing to control her car. 

Texas is an at fault state. I have lived  in Michigan before, which is a  
no-fault state. So, please suggest strategies for the following:

(1) I need to submit a claim to the other insurance agency. The police officer  
said I don't even need to call my insurance agency until the other insurance  
co. fails to meet their obligation. Is this correct? 

(2) My car is a   Ford taurus station wagon. It has a lien on it from my credit  
union, and I fear that at write-off, I may get less than fair value for the car  
(which means that I will have to pick up the difference between insurance  
payment  and the outstanding loan). I have documentation for all recent repairs  
and upkeeps that went into this car, so is it possible to convince the other  
insurance co. that my car was worth more than book value?

(3) I am assuming that the other party insurance co. (All State) is likely to  
be a "hostile" claim receiver to me since I am insured with someone else (State  
Farm). If I need to get a lawyer to settle this, what are the typical costs  
involved in paying a lawyer out of pocket, etc.??

Thanks for the info. ( I am sure there have been other similar concerns here  
before).

--
Jagannatha Rao				E-mail:rao@tree.egr.uh.edu
Department of Mechanical Engineering    Tel   :(713) 743-4535
University of Houston                   Fax   :(713) 743-4503
Houston, TX 77204-4792

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From: philip@stein.u.washington.edu (Philip Hallstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Looking for a car signature file...
Keywords: Signature, cars
Date: 14 Nov 92 01:13:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov14.011336.11615
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Hi everyone!

I have a friend who is really into cars, but not into computers quite so
much.  He asked me if I could make him or find him a sig file that
contained a picture of a car.  If anyone out there has one that they
wouldn't mind sharing I's greatly appreciate it!

Thanks in advance,

-Philip          		 | Scientists tell us that the fastest	  |
				 | animal on earth, with a top speed of	  |
e-mail: philip@u.washington.edu  | 120 ft/sec, is a cow that has been	  |
				 | dropped from a helicopter. -Dave Barry |
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: Saturn Polymer Side Panels - How tough ??
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:27:28 GMT

> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:

>What do you expect from him anyway?  He's in the ME school at Purdue.
>I did my undergrad in the Aero school there, and I know what those
>ME guys are like, I roomed with one.  They barely teach those guys
>statics.  Bwahahahahahahahaha!  Flame away, Mike!  Stick to thermo!
>(God, I hated ME200 so much, I took it twice.)

I am certainly surprised that anyone from Ohio State can even figure out
how to post an article. Wow, I am really impressed. 

Oh, that`s right, you probably learned it at Purdue.

I already posted my sorry for the lack of clarity response to my vague post
above. I just got done taking a thermo test, so you know what I was going
through, right?? 

They barely teach us statics, well, who cares about stuff that doesn`t
move, anyhow?

Stick to thermo. OK. Anybody that can flunk this simple class belongs at
Ohio State. Period.

Who did you room with? I know that some engineering wanna-be`s go into ME
because they heard it was easiest, and they had nothing better to do with
their lives. Well, these people will subsequently flunk easy classes like
ME 200, and go on to pursue their careers at lesser known and respected
schools in Ohio somewhere. 

At least I will have a job when I graduate...

-- 
|       Michael G. Mshar        | My Life-Long Goal: To keep common sense    |
|   mmshar@mn.ecn.purdue.edu    | alive and keep the idiots from taking over.|
|  mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu   |     \\President, Nice Guys Anonymous//     |
|____>>> United States Steel, Mechanical Engineer, Technical Services <<<____|
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: goudreau@batman.rtp.dg.com (Bob Goudreau)
Subject: Re: Detectors legal in California?
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:04:06 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC

In article <1992Nov4.190216.3832@microware.com> troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks) writes:
>
> Radar detectors are LEGAL in all states execept DC, VA, CT.
> I beleave [sic] VA just repealed their law (1-Oct-92), although
> it may have been VA (can't remember which).

Virginia or Virginia, but you can't remember which? :-)

Detectors are legal in all of the US, except for:

1)  The District of Columbia (which is not a state, BTW);

2)  Virginia;

3)  New York state, but only for large commercial trucks.

As you noted, a state did repeal its detector ban effective Oct. 1,
but that state was Connecticut.


> Detectors are ILLEGAL in all of Canada.

A common US misconception.  The truth is that they are legal in
some provinces.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Goudreau			Data General Corporation
goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com		62 Alexander Drive	
+1 919 248 6231			Research Triangle Park, NC  27709, USA
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Sticks are great--if they've got HP/Torque to back it up!
Keywords: My current RP likes stick--drives a Hyundai...
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:22:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul Virgo) writes:
>I think sticks are great if I'm driving a car with some oomph to it,or
>at least with a good horsepower curve('Stangs,F-bodies,the Dodge R/T's-Spirit
>and Daytona,'Vette,300ZX apply here--sorry if I missed your particular fave
>car). Otherwise--well--does nuthin' fer me.

Actually you really want a stick when the car is underpowered or has a
particularly peaky power curve.  Since you completely control the
shifts you can keep the RPMs within the power band for optimum
performance.  Few autos let you do that.

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: 89 Ford Taurus chronic stalling problem
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:34:09 GMT
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

I have an 89 3.0 V6 Ford Taurus, and I am wondering
if other owners out there have had a similar experience.
The car starts fine, but it has a stalling problem that no one
seems to be able to diagnose.  I did a complete tune up, then
I took it to a highly qualified shop but they cannot find
the problem unless it is "acting up" as they call it.
"Acting up", is when I go on long trips, especially in the mountains
(I live at 5000 ft above sea level), and when the temperature
is high (not the engine temp, the ambiant temp), then my car
for some reason starts to gradually lose power, and then 
stalls completely and I have to wait by the side of the road for
a half-hour or more for the car temp to cool down before it 
would start again.  (the engine temperature gauge would have to go
from a the middle of the indicator- still well within the "normal"
range- to about the quarter indicator range).
When the technicians hooked it up to the diagnostic machine
all fuel pressure coming out of the fuel pump tested fine,
but the buzz coming out of there was a little louder than ususal.
Everything in the car tests at the regular settings, because
when I go to the shop, I cannot recreate the conditions under
which my car fails and the mechanics say they cannot help on
intermittent problems unless the problem manifests itself when
they are testing it.
My questions are, what is the best way to diagnose such an intermittent
problem, and if it is not possible to diagnose it for sure has
anyone else had a similar experience (especially on a Taurus),
and is it a good idea to go ahead and replace the fuel pump
and take a risk that the problem would be solved (keep in mind
that that gamble is going to be costly) ???

Thanks for all your opinions,

Basil 


  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Survey impartiality (was Re: Profits to Japan?)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:45:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.214451.10178@devildog.att.com> root@acpy01.att.com (System Administrator(CXNIXCN1)) writes:
>>The reason why it is plain and simple, Toyota
>>exhaust systems rust out.  Take a look at the mufflers in some of the
>>87-88 Corollas or Chevy Novas, you'll see a lot of them are brand
>>knew.  Shouldn't the Japanese car owners have selectively deleted this
>>fault from their memory? 
>
>I could not agree more. My family owns '85 Toyota Camry, 
>muffler went at 45.000 miles. At 65.000 miles we had to replace
>long pipe, at 75.000 muffler was replaced again (on warranty), but 
>we had to pay for the labor. At 95.000 miles pipe to converter
>went ( major $$$). At 105.000 miles muffler and long pipe were replaced 
>again. So, my conclusion is that CONSUMERS REPORTS data on exhaust 
>systems on TOYOTA cars is absolutely correct. I don't understand why
>company that makes such good cars can't solve this problem ????????


it's just a place where they can cut corners and save $$$, they put on the 
cheapest muffler they can that will last past their warranty period.  honda
does the same thing.  chrysler and most of gm has switched to all stainless
exhaust.