From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Good Quote
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:39:45 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Jul21.193830.12494@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
$>And who are these white people working their asses off to help solve the
$>problem?  Where are all these people that are supposedly helping me 
$>have an easier life in Amerikkka?  And what the fuck are _YOU_ doing
$>about the problem, besides putting "blah blah blah", "waaaaaaahh", and
$>weird faces on people's postings whose opinions contradict yours?

Uh huh, that's what I thought...you so easily passed up this question cos
you knew you couldn't possibly answer it and still even be remotely logical.
Silly Boy Willy.

$>1. Whenever I walk in a department store I get followed around because they
$>   automatically assume I'm going to steal something.
$
$That is because in 1991, 70 percent of department store shoplifters
$were minorities. If the crow has been in the corn field ruining the
$crops, then you watch the crows when they come to roost, and not
$the Blue Jays. This is not racist propaganda either. No one wants
$anybody to be a shoplifter, it is just the statistics. Wait till I
$give you the violent crime statistics for 1991!

Look, I could give several shits about some damn statistics.  I don't care
what color I am, and I haven't stressed this enough, so here I go again: If
you want my money, you best treat me just like you would anyone else, es-
pecially those who aren't minorities.

Here's something your stupid ass can gnaw on: The local ABC TV (or poison,
as my man Chris likes to call it) station did a hidden-camera news segment
on department stores following their black shoppers just a little too closely
and the security, when asked why they follow certain people, answered "Because
they're black."

One black man was beaten and slammed against the wall ebcause they THOUGHT
he stole something from their store, and he works for the University as
a fucking administrator of biological sciences!

$>2. I get harassed by police because I'm hangin on the street corner with
$>   my friends.
$
$On Dawson street here in Wilmington a white person can not even ride
$by in a car because the "I'm hangin' on the street corner with my
$friends crowd" likes to throw bottles at people's cars who are not
$the same colour as they are. (The last lady has had to have plastic
$surgery, all because she is white and had to pass through Dawson St.).

Whose fault is that?  I can't even walk around in a rich suburb without
being followed/questioned by the police, Silly Boy Willy.

$>3. I get denied a job not because I don't have the qualifications, but because
$>   I am black.
$
$It was probably because of your racist, Bigoted, pro_BLACK_anti_white
$attitude. I would not hire you either.

Silly-ass fool franklin, it's more like the other way around: White job 
offerers with pro_WHITE_anti_black attitudes. 
did $

$>4. White people will walk across the street to avoid me.
$
$to avoid each other too. Can't even trust your own brother anymore.
$And the white kids are becoming more violent too. I do not want to
$get ugly,  BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ..................   We will
$have to tr						to have
$someone walk 	(BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH)			put yourself in the
$other persons shoes: they are afraid for their life. And the truck 
$driver in L.A. who was dragged from his truck and nearly beaten to death
$because he was white will neve be the same. Luckily, a Black minister

Ooops I see I have put myself in your shoes Franklin.  I've resorted to
drawing BLAH BLAH BLAH's in the middle of your post, I'd best watch it be=
cause I might start drawing ASCII faces!

$Plus, in your example, I need to know WHAT THE RACIAL INNUENDO WAS.
$And were you passed up for a promotion that you were the most
$qualified person for? Or was all of this a figtree of your imagination.

No, I'm going to let you THINK about what kind of racial innuendo it was.
Since you seem to profess yourself as such an "anti-racist/equality"
spokesperson, and seem to know exactly what blacks go through in Amerikkka
every single day, I'm going to let you USE YOUR BRAIN (which you haven't
done so far Franklin) and give ME some examples of 'racial innuendo.'

$>6. I walk into a restaurant and I'm asked to remove my cap while an entire
$>   baseball team is in the same area, caps on and nobody notices.
$
$
$Did you ask the hostess/host/whomever why you were asked to remove
$your cap while the uniformed team was allowed the priviledge?

Well of course I did, in fact, I refused.  But that ain't the point, silly
boy.  The point is I should have never been asked to remove my cap in the
first place.

$>7. I'm treated rudely by various customer service personnel, while non-colored
$>   persons behind me get treated normally, if not like kings.

$You are trying desperately to fill up 25 spaces. Please be specific.
$These are stereotypical GENERALITIES and not specific events.
$They may even be fig trees (of your imagination).

What's more to say?  It's happened to me so many times I can't remember
each and every single incident.  Of course you resort to using this type
of argument when you know I'm striking a nerve, Silly Boy Willy.

$>12.  Of course, there's the Rodney King travesty.
$
$Yea, it's a real travesty, by the way, the man that filmed that was
$white. If it were not for that one white man, no-one would have
$known the truth about the beating. Rodney King, however needs discipline
$in my opinion, from his parents or whomever brought him up. I say this
$because he thinks he can do whatever he wants to do without consequence.
$He was just arrested the other day for driving drunk. That discusts me.
$And to think that I took up for him for so long. He needs discipline.
$All drunk drivers should get life in prison or a good beating.
$Do you know how many children people like Rodney KILL each year?
$Thousands! LAPD was still wrong at the time, but Rodney was no angel.
$He is a problem. (So are the Simi Valley Bigots, I agree, since those
$cops ARE jerks).

Do you know how many black people cops like Rodney King's assailants kill
each year?  If your so called "white savior" hadn't taped that incident
you would be as in the dark about what goes on in Los Angeles as well as
other inner cities in Amerikkka as a foreign tourist, Silly Boy Willy.

$Left to crumble? LEFT TO CRUMBLE? People could take better care of
$their environment. But I also feel that you will like this next
$statement. We should stop spending 3.3 Billion on Saddam (plus
$Billions more in other foreign aid to him in 1990 and the Billions
$that went to Russia and also to defend Europe) and spend it on America
$and Education. Clinton's plan calls for these reforms. I want what is
$best for EVERYONE. Stop this "us and them" shit. Blacks shouldn't have
$that "us and them" shit and neither should whites. I am SICK of it.
$
$We are Americans and we better start getting involved in the reforms
$that are neccessary for:
$			1.	Education
$			2.  Racial Harmony
$			3.  Technology
$			4.  Environmental Reforms
$			5.  Free market Competitiveness
$			....etc.

Oh yeah, with people like you around I see that happening REALLY QUICKLY.

$>16.  Continual stereotyping of blacks by the media.
$....for example?   I have heard many stereotypes of whites on this
$newsgroup!
$The media shows Marion Barry as the crack addict that he is.

But of course the media doesn't show Oliver North for the greedy scum that
HE is.  But of course the media doesn't show George Bush for the oblivious
money-hungry bastard that he is.  But of course the media doesn't show
all of Congress for the thieves they are.

$>19.  Since when is a goddam footprint needed for a background check to
$>     become a lawyer?
$
$Is this true? So if you are Black then you MUST give me your footprint
$before you can be a lawyer? Yea, right. Sounds like another 
$misunderstanding blown way out of proportion to me. But I am a fair
$person. I would like details. So far, all I have heard about this is:
$"Black man had to give footprint before being lawyer.." no facts, 
$nothing. Only hearsay, and VERY general. You are desperately trying
$to fill up those 25! See how many 25 REALLY is now, but our mouth got
$us into this, now didn't it.
$Post the facts about this one....for now it is only filler.

Yawn.  Okay, since you asked...
(copied w/o permission)
Subject: FBI agent suspended for ``footprinting'' black lawyer
Date: 18 Jul 1992 16:30:47 GMT
        BOSTON (UPI) -- The FBI has suspended and transferred an agent who
required a black lawyer being considered for a judgeship to submit a
footprint for a background check, then hung the print in an FBI office
as a joke, it was reported Saturday.
        The agent told lawyer Walter Prince that the footprint, taken about a
month ago, was ``standard procedure,'' then joked about the stunt when
he hung the print, the Boston Herald quoted sources as saying.
        The Boston FBI office said no one was available to discuss the case,
but released a three-paragraph statement from director William S.
Sessions. Sessions said any deviation by FBI employees from the ``utmost
professional conduct'' is intolerable.
        ``Immediately upon learning of this aggregious (sic) conduct, I
ordered a thorough internal inquiry. That process was completed rapidly
and severe disciplinary action imposed,'' Sessions said.
        ``It is very unfortunate that this incident occurred. Conduct such as
happened here clouds the exceptional work done everyday by thousands of
FBI employees throughout the country.''
        The Herald quoted sources as saying the agent, who was not
identified, worked as a recruiter and was suspended for about six weeks
and transferred to the FBI office in Chicago. His supervisor, Michael
Wilson, was reportedly suspended three days.
        Prince is a partner in the law firm of Peckham, Lobel, Casey, Prince
and Tye.
        Prince was one of several attorneys whose names were forwarded to
President Bush and he reportedly will be nominated. But he was the only
one required to submit a footprint for the FBI background check, sources
said.
        One source noted that the footprint incident came on the heels of the
FBI settling a civil suit by black agents who alleged discrimination in
the bureau.
        ``Obviously it was a racial incident,'' the source said. ``They
wouldn't have done it to a white person.''
        Sources told the newspaper that Wilson ordered the FBI agent to
apologize to Prince as soon as he heard of the incident.

*sits back as Franklin's mouth hits the floor*

You know somethin Silly Boy Willy, it's getting easier and easier to answer
your posts.  I thought you had quit and run away.  But the more you run your
mouth the easier it is for me, so keep talkin...

$How about it? Who did it happen to? My mother WORKS for GMAC. Caught
$your tired ass on this one.

No you didn't you silly bastard.  So mothafuckin what if your mammy works
for GMAC!  That pithy statement means nothing.  Obviously your overtly liberal
ass hasn't been watching TV lately.  Remember that Prime Time special where
they compared the ethics of a car dealer with a black customer and with a white
customer?  The white customer was quoted a substantially lower price on a 
car than was the black customer.

$>21.  Welfare.

$Clinton will change it to Workfare. ETC. READ his platform.

Whatever, Silly Boy Willy.  Bill Clinton, IF HE EVEN GETS ELECTED will do
whatever the power structure TELLS him to.  If that's to duck some sick
then he will be on his KNEES jack!

$>23.  I wonder why it is that most every time a black person and a white person
$>     start throwin blows, once it's cleared the white person is absolved of
$>     the crime while the black person goes to jail?
$
$Bullshit. At Williston Junior High School, Then Principal Arthalia
$Williams handled a situation in a racist manner.
$A young black student pushed a young white student who was walking
$in the hall. He then said "You aint gonna do nothing about it because
$I am Black, and Mrs. Williams will take up for me." The young white
$man then pushed the other boy off of him and an fight ensued. Mrs.
$Williams suspended the white student and let the black student go
$back to class.
$	(I asked seventy five white students if they thought she was racist 
$	and sixty three said yes)

But of course you didn't ask any black students.

$>24.  A Minneapolis police officer was given a medal of honor after shooting
$>     a black suspect in the back.

$	You did not seem to mention anything about the suspest except his
$	colour. Is that all you noticed? Was he violent? Was his face turned
$	to another cop that he was trying to kill? Was he raping someone?
$	WHAT WERE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE INCIDENT? I am not trying to
$	be ugly, but you are doing a TERRIBLE job of SUPPORTING these
$	claims. QUALITY not QUANTITY. Hope you didn't waste two hours on
$	that one. Repost with DETAILS so we can discuss, like adults, 
$	whether or not the incident involved racism. I'll wager that if
$	you were in the policeman's shoes, you would have shot the violent
$	criminal too. But I will give you another chance to repost these
$	with details. Until then, and from now on... SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENTS.

Look Silly Boy Willy, you said you wanted 25 examples of racism, and so I
gave them to you.  If you must know, the boy had a gun, but he was running
away.  The officer shot him, then he LIED at a press conference and said the
boy was coming at him, and forensic specialists DETERMINED that he had been
shot IN THE BACK.  But the officer was absolved of any negligence.

$>working to solve the problem, but for every white person working to solve
$>the problem, THERE ARE TWO MORE WHITE PEOPLE WORKING TO CREATE/PERPETUATE
$>the problem.

$Uh oh.... more generalities without basis or proof. Surprised you didn't
$use that one as one of your 25 winners!! HHAAAAAAhahahahahaa.
$Would have made great filler! AAAAAAHHHHahahahahaha.

Man you're really lame, Silly Boy Willy.  I've never seen anybody claim that
he's trying to help fight racism and then come on here spouting this mess.
With your help I say we'll all be back in PHYSICAL slavery (because my silly
fool there is more than one type of slavery) within 20 years.

$>  Yes I am frustrated.  Frustrated

$Ought to be...

I am, Silly Boy Willy.

$>that there are millions of people who think just like you, and consider
$>themselves "non-racist".  You know, I'd rather be talkin to somebody from
$>the fuckin Klan, at least I know his agenda.  People like you, whose
$>agendae is totally unclear, just make things worse off.

$Maybe you should join. You seem to think like they do.

Look, Silly Boy Willy, those 25 instances of racism which people like me
experience every single day may seem like generalities and "filler" to you,
only because you haven't and never will be able to experience anything like
it.  There was a recent thread on racism experiements by Jane Elliott(sp?)
where the tables were turned, I think you'd be a prime candidate for this
experience.  When you've gone through the bullshit I've gone through, maybe,
just maybe you'll remotely BEGIN to understand what the fuck goes on in the
life of a Black man.  You say you are helping to fight against racism, Silly
Boy Willy?  Well I don't WANT or NEED any kind of your "help."  It's people
like you who call themselves "solving the problem" who are actually 
_perpetuatin_ the problem.  You ain't part of the solution, Silly Boy Willy,
you're part of the PROBLEM.  Quit bein part of the fuckin problem and run
some duct tape across your mouth!  That would be your best "contribution"
to the "battle against racism."

Get an education, Silly Boy Willy.  No I ain't talkin about books I'm talkin
about STREET KNOWLEDGE.  THEN we'll talk.

Pi-fuckin-cante.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
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