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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 19 Nov 92 07:45:12 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

In <9211181847.AA12561@cyclone.sbi.com> gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler) writes:

    I don't think C and R were around at the time of the Beit HaMikdash.
    Even if they were, they probably would have built a much larger place
    down the street.  :-)

I heard that they wanted to but Herod wouldn't give them a building
permit.
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From: mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)
Subject: tallitot/talleisim
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <mgross@halibut.nosc.mil (Michelle K. Gross)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:58:37 GMT


Reminds me of Shabbatot/Shabbosim?

I see why the Hebrew is f. pl; why is the Yiddish masc. pl?
--Michelle
mgross@nosc.mil
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:19:43 EST
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jonathan Pollard...
 <92328.1352222893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
 <1992Nov23.192248.13945@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>

In article <1992Nov23.192248.13945@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
kolassa@genesee.bst.rochester.edu (John Kolassa) says:
>
>In article <92328.1352222893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, 2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
>(andy) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov23.142402.4242@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
>> (harlan.b.braude) says:
>> >
>> >In article <1992Nov21.033922.27579@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew
>M.
>> >Solovay) writes:
>> >>I don't know the legal definition, but my dictionary's first
>> >>definition is
>> >>
>> >>   trea.son n  \'trez-*n\
>> >>      1 : the betrayal of a trust : PERFIDY,
>> >>          TREACHERY
>> >Treason is also a legal term and I think it's the only crime mentioned
>> >in the constitution. The legal definition, I've been told, specifically
>> >addresses aiding an enemy of the US. There have been countries that have
>> >been designated enemies of the US, but Israel is not among them.
>> >
>> >That being the case, the crime is not one of Treason.
>> >--
>> >Harlan B. Braude
>> >hbb@karin.att.com
>>
>> Rather than guess, I suggest someone look it up in a legal dictionary.
>> Obviously the legal definition was good enough for a judge.
>Article III of the US constitution:
>      Section 3.  Treason against the United States shall consist only in
>   levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving
>   them aid and comfort.  No person shall be convicted of treason
>   unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or
>   on confession in open court.
>
>Whether Pollard was guilty of espionage or not, it's pretty clear that
>legally he didn't commit treason.

As Pollard was never charged with treason, this is not relevent.

>--
>Thanks, John Kolassa, kolassa@bio1.bst.rochester.edu
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From: jimkalb@dorsai.com (Jim Kalb)
Subject: Re: Welcome to s.c.j.
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy +1.718.729.5018
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:07:44 GMT

warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:

: I'm going to change the line in my ~news/newsgroups line for scj to
: 
: soc.culture.jewish	a shanda far die goyim

This looks like it means something like "behaving disgracefully in front of
non-Jews".  Is that right?  Is this a notion with much history or present
power among Jews?  (I should mention if it's not obvious that I am one of the
goyim -- if anyone feels I'm asking about family stuff I'll drop it.)
-- 
Jim Kalb (jimkalb@dorsai.com)
"Every thing possible to be believ'd is an image of truth."  (Blake)
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kahane
Date: 22 Nov 92 02:07:18 GMT
Organization: "The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"

dfs@doe.carleton.ca (David F. Skoll) writes:

> In article <6NgguB1w165w@corner.wpb.fl.us>, murray@corner.wpb.fl.us (Murray
> Kahl) says: 
> 
> >I also remind you that the inability of Arabs to live peacefully
> >with Jews is ever prevalent and recognized.
> 
> Huh!  And I always thought it was the Jews' inability to live peacefully
> with Arabs that was the problem.  (:-> for the sarcasm-impaired.)

  And I always think, specially after polling s.c.j., that it is the Jews'
  inability to live peacefully with Jews (:-( for the sadness-impaired)



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From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Subject: Re: Yogi Berra online
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:35:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.141304.21933@umbc3.umbc.edu> shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.032145.29808@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov17.210703.8003@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>>>Yes, the wit and wisdom of this great man is now available in archive form.
>>>(Why is this is s.c.j?  Who cares!)
>>   Well, there's the halachic issue of presumption of observance. ie.
>>       "Hu loh over ad sheh hu over."
>
>Ah yes, Yogi was one of a kind.  Sort of a "berra bifnei atzmo."

Yes, smarter than the average bear, Boo-Boo. and where does the
ranger come in.

>(Coincidentally [if you believe in coincidences :-)], daf yomi
>recently discussed the halakhic problem of bari versus shema.
>Go for it, punsters!)

What does the fact that Peter Pan (author Barry) didn't want to go
to bed (because the author didn't want to have him say the bedtime
shema) have to do with our favorite cartoon character.

_______________________________________________________________
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From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur 5754 (in 1993)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:43:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.191857.6736@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jweber@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (jodi.weber) writes:
>I understand Yom Kippur next year is on Shabbat.
>
>1)  Can someone verify this (I haven't checked a calendar)?
   September 1993
 S  M Tu  W Th  F  S
          1  2  3  4
 5  6  7  8  9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25 <== Yom Kippur  September 25, 1993
26 27 28 29 30


>2)  What are the rules regarding fasting in this case?

Gotta keep your mind on confession and forgiveness and prayer
and tzedakah and repentence -- so we "afflcit our souls" and
do not do certain things we would ordinarily do on Shabbat ---

We fast on Yom Kippur whenever it is, even Shabbat.

(If you had asked about sexual activities, quite appropriate for an
 ordinary Shabbat, we refrain from them on Yom Kippur too.)

====
In case you wondered about fasting on, say, Tisha B`Av when it falls
on Shabbat as it did, we postpone Tisha B`Av observance for one day.
So we eat Shabbat meals on the 9th day of Av and fast on the 10th.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
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From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: G-d or G*d?
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:03:33 GMT

I have long been interested in the repect shown to God by
not spelling out His name in full.  So we have,

Elokim, (instead of Elohim)
Y*VH   (instead of YHVH)
G-d (most common in English)
G*d
Gd
(all instead of God)
etc.

I have several questions about this:

1. Suppose you happened to stumble on a desert island,
   and you found a lost Jewish community that had been that had been
   stranded on that island for 500 years and was keeping many
   Jewish traditions without knowing why.  They commonly 
   referred to God as "G-d" (or the equivalent in their language).
   Would you go about changing another vowel or consonant of the
   now commonly used name to show your repect?  That is would you
   use "G-b" instead of "G-d" (remember "G-d" is being used liberaly
   by everybody on the island).

2. Suppose that you instituted the change, and after a few years
   everyone was using "G-b" instead of "G-d".  Where someone had
   said "G-d" before, he was now saying "G-b".  Should you try to
   change "G-b" to something else, say "G-t"?  Should this be done
   every once in a while, to make sure that there was a respectful
   term for G-b...I mean G-d?

3. Considering your answer to questions 1 and 2, and considering that
   the common name for God on SCJ is G-d, should we begin to use
   a more respectful name?  In other words, I know what you mean
   by G-d, and you know what you mean by G-d, so whenever we see
   G-d we automatically know that it refers to God?  Should we 
   use an even more respecful term that is not commonly used?

4. Should we refer to false gods with deleted vowels or consonants,
   for instance "J*s*s" as many have done?  Is not the deleting of
   vowels or consonants a way to make a name more respectful by not
   writing it in full?

5. Should we have an equivalent to "G-d" in speech?  Should we say
   Hashem ("the name" literally in Hebrew) instead of saying God?
   Is it more respectful to completely bypass saying the name of 
   God.  So instead we should say Hashem said this, or Hashem 
   did that?  When it becomes commonly used, should we delete a
   vowel?  For instance "Hash-m"? Or two, "H-sh-m"?

6. If someone writes "G-d", do you automatically know that this person
   is a good Jew who respects God?  If that is the case, can
   writing "G-d" be a good criterion for judging which Jews respect God 
   and which don't?  Is this a good external sign of the person's
   internal attitude?

I would be interested in your comments.

--
Eli Chiprout                 
Dept. of Electronics, 
Carleton University, Canada
emc@doe.carleton.ca                                     
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From: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Subject: Square Kippot (was: Re: Tzitzit on ordinary garments)
Reply-To: friedenb@silver.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah Friedenberg)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 20:15:08 GMT


In article <1992Nov13.172408.19602@uc.msc.edu>, saroff@uf.msc.edu (Stephen Saroff) writes:
|> What are the rules regarding Tzitzit on everyday garments, as opposed
|> to Tallisism?

If one were to wear a square kippah, would it require tzitzit?
(is a kippah considered a garment?)


Gedaliah Friedenberg
-=-Department of Mechanical Engineering
-=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science
-=-Michigan State University
From: au472@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dr. Joshua Backon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: warren's sig
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:50:19 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


A TZAV SHMONEH (actually a misnomer) is an emergency mobilization orderfrom the Israeli army for reservists (i.e. you're called up
immediately without the usual 6 week notice).

A TZAV PINUI has a number of meanings: evacuation order (or simply
being forced to vacate one's premises due to nonpayment of rent, etc.).

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
(posting from his account on the Cleveland FreeNet)
From: arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Nazi propaganda on this net
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:03:49 GMT
	<2835@israel.nysernet.org> <4490@bimacs.BITNET>
Organization: USC/Information Sciences Institute
In-reply-to: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET's message of 19 Nov 92 15:41:01 GMT

In article <4490@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>
> WARENS statement in his signature (" Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.")
> express a Nazi idea.
> . . .
> Warren is using this Jewish net in order to distribute a Nazi
> propaganda! 

If what Warren writes is considered "Nazi propaganda", I am at a loss
trying to figure out what you call the things *I* write...

You appear somewhat lacking in self-restraint and moderation, Mr.
Ehrlich.  Get a grip on yourself!
--
Yigal Arens
USC/ISI                                                TV made me do it!
arens@isi.edu
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Malaysian Jewish community query
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:55:05 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Nov18.172117.26974@ms.uky.edu> raphael@ms.uky.edu (Raphael Finkel) writes:
>I may be residing for a year in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.  Is there any Jewish
>community there?  I do know the following:
>
>1.  The dominant culture is Malay, which is fundamentalist Moslem.

Are they fundamentalists or is it fundamentally Islamic?

:^)
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: goy
Date: 24 Nov 1992 00:37:22 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu

Yiddish is problematic when it comes to referring to blacks, period.
To my knowledge, 'schvartze(r)" is *not* proper Yiddish for a black person;
it's derogatory.  The word for a black person is 'neger'--translation of
'Negro', but to an American ear it unfortunately sounds a lot like 'nigger'.

I solve the problem by speaking English in general.

			. . .Alexandra
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 03:20:14 +0100
Organization: "The Private Site of Manfredo Tichauer"

nobby@hardy.u.washington.edu (Vitaly Shmatikov) writes:

> In article <1992Nov22.054749.7481@cis.ohio-state.edu> khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-st
> 
> [... stuff deleted ...]

> 
> The whole story sounds fishy to me. Church awarding bonus points for 
> the Jewish converts? Sorry, pal, I don't buy this. I appreciate your

  I can confirm this story.  The father of a former girlfriend of mine
  in Chile (he was and still is a Baptist preacher) told me that it is
  a special mitzwah ;-) for them to convince a Jew of the "real" truth
  lies  in  xtianity. Here in Germany I was told the same thing from a
  finnish preacher (he belonged to the Witness of Jeh*va's Church) and
  from some catholic priests.  If they get 1 or more bonus points that
  is another thing, but  it  is for them really a big mitzwah to catch
  us (just ask a J4J!)

   


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From: johnson@itzb.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:56:13 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs



Mr. Krieger wrote:

||                                                                   your
||   sect does not define our COMMON religion for ALL of us.  If you want
||   to work with the rest of YOUR community is a constructive manner to
||   resolve our differences, you're more than welcome, but if your attitude
||   is that you're the only one observing Judaism correctly, then you
||   are part of the problem, and not part of the solution.

HEar hear.  I too am sick and tired of being told that I am not observing
Judaism properly.  I keep the Sabbath, attend synagogue, and eat only kosher
food.  Why should I put up with being told that I'm not properly Jewish?

I follow a legitimate interpretation, based on the teaching of a scholar of
the tannaim (sages of the mishna) named Yeshu.  His interpretation is as
legitimate as any other interpretation, and noone has the right to tell me
that because I am a Messianic Jew that I'm not following legitimate Judaism.

David ben Yeshu ben Dovid haMelech
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From: gmk@cs.bham.ac.uk (Gideon M H Kay)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: South African Jewish Community
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:04:57 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: School of Computer Science, University of Birmingham, UK


 I have  a friend who is a medical student and is currently in her 3rd
year at my university. In her 4th or 5th year she has to do an
elective year at a hospital elsewhere. The majority of students go
abroad and so she also wishes to try and get some work where there is
a good sized Jewish community.

 She is considering South Africa but does not know anything about the
size, structure and geographical layout there. If anybody can advise
especially somebody who knows about both the medical and Jewish
aspects of South Africa, I would be very grateful to hear, preferably
by email, but if not I can try and check the net regularly,

 
 Thanks very much,



			Gideon,

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Date: Saturday, 21 November 1992 18:17:35 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.14
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Canned Pumpkin?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

Anybody know the details on canned pumpkin?  A recent exchange of
pareve pumpkin-pie recipes got me interested (I don't have the
time to cook from scratch) and I started looking for kosher
canned pumpkin.  No luck.

A check with the local Vaad got me the bare advice that Libby's
100% pumpkin-and-nothing-else is all right with or without
hechshir, but no details.  I'm cooking, but curious.

Anyone out there in a position to enlighten?

--- D. C. Sessions                            Speaking for myself ---
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Prayer shawls
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:25:33 GMT

In <9211161916.AA16643@cyclone.sbi.com> gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler) writes:

>It's a calque (loan translation) from Yiddish.  If you want to stick
>to Hebrew, just call it, imprecisely, "tzitzit."

If you walk into a store and ask for tzitzit, I think you'll get a
package of sixteen pieces of wool thread.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
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/ nysernet.org 			    Gideon Ehrlich
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:55:37 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <9211191656.AA05323@relay2.UU.NET> johnson@itzb.com writes:
>
>the tannaim (sages of the mishna) named Yeshu.  His interpretation is as
>legitimate as any other interpretation, and noone has the right to tell me
>that because I am a Messianic Jew that I'm not following legitimate Judaism.

What is a Messianic Jew?  Is that from the Jews for Jesus philosophy?

Thanks -
A.
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From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Subject: Article: I wish I were a Baal Tshuva
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:05:03 GMT

I am looking for a copy of an article I read recently entitled
"I wish I were a Baal Tshuva"

This was an excellent, very educational article written by a
religious person who is jealous of his Baal Tshuva friends.
In particular, he compares his own, habitual performance
of the mitzvot with the excitement, enthusiastic performance
of the same mitzvot often observed in Baalei Tshuva.

Furthermore, he goes on to say, that a Baal Tshuva at least,
has a social structure that inspires him and leads him to
further heights. Whereas with himself, when he tells his
friends he wants to be a Baal Tshuva, they laugh at him.

I remember reading this article within the past month or two,
in either the Yaated Neeman, or the Jewish Observer. If anyone
has a copy of this article, I would appreciate it if they
would get in touch with me.

Thank you,
Hayim Hendeles

email: hayim@locus.com
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From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: mezuzah question
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:01:17 GMT

In article <1ej3rhINN9tg@morrow.stanford.edu>, aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt) writes:
|> I read yesterday (in what I would call a not-great source which happened to
|> be selling mezuzot) that their mezuzot were suitable for your home or office.
|> Hello?  I'd never heard of putting up a mezuzah on an office doorframe (I
|> don't sleep in my office--at least it hasn't come to that yet).  Is this
|> commonly done?  

I've seen mezuzas in offices that are owned by the person who works there.
For example, my kids' pediatrician, an Orthodox Jew, has mezuzas on all his
examining rooms.  There are also a few stores around here that put up mezuzas.  

Most people reading this, who work for universities or companies and do not 
own the office they work in, have no opportunity nor obligation to put up a 
mezuzah at work.
-- 
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Bellcore            |  purgatories, then we all must live in them.
Piscataway, N.J.    |  Mine is no worse than someone else's."
(908) 699-8800      |                     - Spock, "This Side of Paradise"
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