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From: cranch@novell.com (Christopher Ranch)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Setting up for Phase II - Some Questions
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:11:54 GMT
Followup-To: comp/protocols.appletalk
Distribution: na
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

In article <paul.282.716047155@ace.acadiau.ca> paul@ace.acadiau.ca (Paul Steele) writes:
>We have been using appletalk (both phonenet and ethertalk) on our campus for 
>several years.  Since we only have 100 nodes or so total I didn't see any 
>benefits in switching to Phase 2 Appletalk when it came out.  However, just 
>to avoid some hassles, I'm begining to wonder if I should get Phase 2 
>flowing.  Our entire network consists of one zone scattered across 3 
>fastpaths and several star controllers.  Would switching to Phase 2 provide 
>us with any benefits?

	The most concrete benefit is that vendors are actively supporting
	only Phase 2 drivers for devices, and Apple is dropping support
	in system software for it in the near future (or already, depending
	on who you are).  If you want the latest and greatest code, make the
	switch.

>Another problem I'm having is understanding the set up for Phase 2, 
>specifically the part about the network range.  Should I specify a range of
>1-65279?  

	NO!  Make this range as small as you can.  Fastpaths and NetWare
	servers make an entry in its routing database for every network within
	the range, which consumes memory and decreases performance.  Generally,
	you will always get by with a range < 10.

>Should all the fastpaths be set the same?   

	The rule of thumb for configuring multiple routers all on the same
	cable is that their network ranges, default zone names, and zones
	list MUST BE IDENTICAL.  However, each cable must have a unique
	network range.

>And our Novell servers running netware for the mac?  

	Same rules apply.  Did you have a specific question?

>The phase 2 stuff is all pretty new to me, so 
>any helpful hints would be greatly appreciated.
>
>___
>Paul Steele, Network Services Manager              902-542-2201x660
>Acadia University, Computer Centre            FAX: 902-542-4364
>Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada, B0P 1X0  Internet: Paul.Steele@acadiau.ca

	Hope this helps.  Ask again if you need to.

	Chris
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I may work for Novell, but I don't speak for them...
From: wadew@mail.auburn.edu (Wade Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: RE:  Mac integration
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:28:51 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

: 	How do I hook up a MAC SE on a Novell Ethernet network?  The network 
: 	is mainly IBM's and at work they told me it could not be done.  
: 	We are using Wordperfect Office---Does's WordPerfect make this 
: 	for the MAC as well?  I would greatly appreciate any help anyone 
: 	could give me.  Thanks...

In a previous message I stated that Dayna's NetMounter would be the way to
connect and that WordPerfect Office is available for the Macintosh.

However, I neglected to mention that you will need an Ethernet card for the
SE.

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.unix.sysv386
From: boortz@sics.se (Kent Boortz)
Subject: Mac, SCO Unix, CAP, LocalTalk?
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:49:28 GMT


This is the situation: There will be a LocalTalk (actually PhoneNet) net with
four Mac's and a isolated 386 PC running SCO Unix. The PC is connected to 
the Mac's with serial lines to let the Mac's log in with a terminal program.

What I would like is two things, run Telnet on the mac over LocalTalk instead
of the terminal program over serial lines. I would also like to be able to
back up Mac files on the tape drive connected to the PC.

Is CAP supporting LocalTalk cards for the PC? 
Is there a way to connect with Telnet from the Mac using a LocalTalk
card for the PC?
Could I use SLIP or similar to use the serial port with CAP or Telnet?

/kgb
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Kent Boortz
boortz@sics.se
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: Joe Niski <niski@ssd.intel.com>
Subject: Re: MacTCP and multiple TCP programs?
Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 05:35:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.015043.2015@mtu.edu> WILLIAM D. BURNS,
wdburns@mtu.edu writes:

>Question:
>Is anyone else out there able to run mulitple TCP/IP programs at the same
>time?  I could have swore I was able to do that on sys6....

yes, i'm doing it right now.

>Best I can tell we're runing macTCP 1.1 and Telnet 2.5, Eudora 1.3b34 abd
>Fetch 2.1....
>
>I can only do one thing at a time...if Telnet's running, Fetch says
>"Can't get IP address - address already in use?"
>
>Appletalk v56 I believe (installer for v57 kept blowing up on me)

if you're using System 7.x, you're using at least v.57 of Appletalk. 
Some network software installers put a newer (i think 57.0.3 is the
latest) version into your SYstem file.

perhaps something in your System file got corrupted when the installer
for Appletalk 57 blew up on you - have you tried other macs on your
network?
---------------------------------------------
Joe Niski                                          niski@ssd.intel.com
Macintosh Network Admin.
Intel Supercomputer Systems Division
Beaverton, OR USA
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: maarten@fwi.uva.nl (Maarten Carels)
Subject: Re: MacTCP and multiple TCP programs?
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:45:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.015043.2015@mtu.edu> WILLIAM D. BURNS,
wdburns@mtu.edu writes:
>Question:
>Is anyone else out there able to run mulitple TCP/IP programs at the same
>time?  I could have swore I was able to do that on sys6....
That's just what MacTCP is for.

>I can only do one thing at a time...if Telnet's running, Fetch says
>"Can't get IP address - address already in use?"
that indicates Telnet is using it's own internal TCP drivers. (Telnet can use
it's internal drivers, or MacTCP. You can have only one set of TCP drivers
active).

Check the config.tel file, it should contain a line like this
hardware=MacTCP

--maarten
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		University of Amsterdam
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: dinn@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael 'Moose' Dinn)
Subject: CAP 6.0 PL100 problem
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:40:32 GMT


I have CAP 6.0 PL100 running under SunOS 4.1.1 on a Sparc 2 with a Fastpath
5 for my gateway.

I can get a volume mounted.

I can see the files.

I can get info on the files (butterfly-i).

I can't open the files or copy files to/from the disk (which is what I want
CAP for :)

Any ideas anyone?

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From: reece@PANTHER.WARM.INMET.COM (Jim Reece)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: PhoneNet Problem
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:45:37 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

We have multiple zones on MACS (5 zones & 50+ MACS). There have been
various problems with printing, etc. We recently ran RADAR and are getting 
frequent device drop-outs (printers & Macs). They are random and last for 
30 seconds or longer. Does anyone know what might cause this or what 
hardware/software tool might help us figure out the problem?

Thanks for any pointers.

reece@panther.warm.inmet.com
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: wdburns@mtu.edu (WILLIAM D. BURNS)
Subject: MacTCP and multiple TCP programs?
Organization: CCLI Macintosh Lab, Michigan Tech University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 01:50:43 GMT

Hey all,

I'm running sys7.0.1/TuneUp1.1.1 on a IIci....we are connected thru a
Cayman GatorBox.

Question:
Is anyone else out there able to run mulitple TCP/IP programs at the same
time?  I could have swore I was able to do that on sys6....

Best I can tell we're runing macTCP 1.1 and Telnet 2.5, Eudora 1.3b34 abd
Fetch 2.1....

I can only do one thing at a time...if Telnet's running, Fetch says
"Can't get IP address - address already in use?"

Appletalk v56 I believe (installer for v57 kept blowing up on me)

any clues?  I'm clueless...

thanks for any suggestions..


Bill Burns
Mac Technical Consultant, CCLI Lab - MTU

-- 
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  [ Internet: wdburns@mtu.edu ]
  [ AppleLink: SHADOW         ]
From: jerrys@canada.sbi.com (Jerry Simonowits)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Ben Beasley
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:42:58 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Systems Engineering - Salomon Brothers, NY

Ben,
	I received your email but your return address was
	faulty. Please email me your address since I am confused
	if a special card is required to run localtalk on an apple
	II/gs.

-- 
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Salomon Inc.
Internet Planning
Systems Engineering
Phone:  201-896-7330
Email:  jerrys@canada.sbi.com		
(KB2GCG,AFA1CM)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: saile@brutus.sns.neuphilologie.uni-tuebingen.de (Jochen Saile)
Subject: CAP and Dayna Etherprint
Organization: sns
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:49:13 GMT

Is it possible  for cap to connect to a Laserwriter that is attached to a Dayna 
Etherprint. A Mac II on the same ethernet has no problems finding the Laserwriter.
We are using CAP Patchlevel 125. 


Jochen
From: gerardi@sdr.slb.com (Paul Gerardi)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Copy Protecting Apps
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:24:12 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger

In article <1992Sep2.195511.21624@leland.Stanford.EDU>, gimper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stuart Miyasato) writes:
> 
> In article <pwd-010992140745@thunder.apple.coms> pwd@Apple.com (Patrick W. P. Dirks) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug31.230410.3151@morrow.stanford.edu>,
> >shahrol@harper.stanford.edu (Shahrol) wrote:
> >> 
> >> We are setting up a CAP server on a DEC 5000/240 for the coming school
> >> year.  The question I have is how are the applications copy-protected,
> >> ala AppleShare 3.0?   
>
> [...]
>
>Our problem is two-fold:  one, keeping students
> from unauthorized copying of software, and also keeping our licensing
> agreements.
> 
> We have approximately 40 Mac IIs for students to use.  The applications
> on the hard disks are protected by 'blowing up' the resources as Pat
> suggested.  However, we also have software that we don't have licensed
> for every machine.  What we were doing was putting them on an AppleShare
> 3.0 server and setting the maximum number of copies that could be in use
> simultaneously.
> 
> So first, we need to know how to keep students from copying the applications
> from the CAP server to their hard disks (and thus possibly violating our
> license agreements).  And second, we need a way to enforce the licensing
> agreements assuming the application is run directly off the server.
> Any ideas?
> 
> As kind of a side note, has anyone successfully run LaunchBreak to protect
> applications on an AUFS server?  Would that solve both of our problems,
> or does anyone have an even better method?
> 

At the risk of stating the obvious: If you're already using AUFS why not use
the Application Manager (added in path number 61 I believe).

By configuring the m4.features file (see README in (cap60/contrib/AppManager))
and specifying the "-A" flag on aufs at runtime you can set a limit
on the number of users that can simultaneously run an application that
resides on the AUFS server.  It is also protected from being finder copied.

I't been working great: We have 25 users who want to run Excel.  So we buy
5 copies (aka "licenses") and install one on the server.  We set the 
concurrent user limit to 5 and so 5 of the 25 users can run it from the
server at the same time. This has worked wonderfully and saved us lots of
money at the same time. Since the application is also copy-prevented through
the finder, we eliminate any temptation to "pirate" copies.
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: keeper@lighthouse.caltech.edu (Lighthouse Keeper)
Subject: Re: Need cure for stupidity: Cap-60 (pl100)
Organization: Rotwang Technologies, plc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:32:02 GMT

In article <BuKpzv.LyM@news.udel.edu> zagar@chester.cms.udel.edu (Randy Zagar) writes:

   Okay, I'm running a Sun SPARCstation-1 (sunos 4.1.2) and I've
   successfully installed the stanford enet filter as "/dev/enet-le0".
   [Not real sure, kinda hard to test that w/o a functioning CAP...]

   I'm just trying to do a simple test-install of cap60 with
   Native EtherTalk (Phase-2).

   Right off the bat, when I try to run aarpd with the command-line

	   aarpd le0 "TheZone"

   I get the following error message

	   open: /dev/enetXX: No such file or directory
	   10:48:48 09/14/92  pi_open: aarp_init: No such file or directory
	   init_enet: network initialization failed

   So, I seem to have some problems... :-)

   Needless to say, I wouldn't mind corresponding with someone who's had
   experience setting up cap60 in this way.

   Any information would be helpful,

   -Randy

I'm using the /dev/nit drivers now, but I have set up cap to work with
the enet filters before.

I believe that the enet drivers have to be installed just as the error
message indicates.  Try doing the following:

Erase you're current enet devices in /dev.

Issue the following exact command:
mknod /dev/enet0 c 4 0

Now, change the line in your startup file to read

aarpd enet0 "TheZone"

And I believe this should work.  I think the problem is that cap does
not give you complete freedom in what you name the devices, and it
expects the word "enet" followed by a number.


--
          keeper@lighthouse.caltech.edu       Steven Fought

         "Why bother with Virtual Reality when you can just
          make people go insane in exactly the right way?"
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: dave@netmgr.mmc.com (David A. Rageth)
Subject: cap60, lwrename
Organization: mmc
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:37:36 GMT

I noticed a utility in the contrib section of cap60 called lwrename.  Does
anyone out there know how to use this utility?

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: jpm@cs.hut.fi (Jussi-Pekka Mantere)
Subject: Use the Message-ID instead of an article number (Was: Re: CAP for NeXT)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<1992Sep9.101844.8397@email.tuwien.ac.at>
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:07:35 GMT

Peter Purgathofer <purgi@iguwnext.tuwien.ac.at> writes:

   No. Read comp.sys.next.misc:14679, which starts: 

Just a hint:

It's _much_ better to refer to a Message-ID of an article rather than
to a local article number.

The local article number has no meaning to anyone outside your own
environment, but Message-ID is something which is unique to every
single article, and by which the article may be found on any system.

Best Regards,

Jussi-Pekka Mantere
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: jiazhang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jiajie Zhang)
Subject: Problems with installing CAP60
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:35:15 GMT

Sorry, in my previous posting, I forgot to tell you the machine and
system I am using.

The machine is a Sun Sparc 2.  The operating system is SunOS 4.1.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everytime when I tried to install cap60, I always got compiling error
messages like

	cc -o lwsrv  fontlist.o lwsrv.o papstream.o procset.o simple.o
	spmisc.o att_geto pt.o -lcap
	ld: Undefined symbol
	   __Q_get_rp_rd
	   _dlopen
	   _dlclose
	   _dlsym
	   _nl_langinfo
	*** Error code 2
	make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `lwsrv'

Actually this problem is not unique to cap60.  It happened to many
other applications.

When I replaced "LD=ld" with "LD=ld -ldl" in the makeifle, I still got
something like 

	cc -o lwsrv  fontlist.o lwsrv.o papstream.o procset.o simple.o
	spmisc.o att_geto pt.o -lcap
	ld: Undefined symbol
	   __Q_get_rp_rd
	   _nl_langinfo
	*** Error code 2
	make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `lwsrv'

I was told that the problem might be caused by the shared
libraries, which were rebuilt for Network Name Server (or something
like that).  However, because I am only an end user, I do not know
much about the system stuff.

Does anyone know how to overcome this problem, either temporarily or
permanently?  Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.

Jiajie Zhang
jiazhang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: sproule@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (William J.  Jr. Sproule)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: papif and LaserWriter IIg problems
Keywords: papif pagecount IIg
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:18:54 GMT
Followup-To: comp.protocols.appletalk
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

We are having problems with papif and a LW IIg when getting
the pagecount.  

1. Papif opens connection
2. Papif sends with EOF:
statusdict begin pagecount (*) print ==
3. LWIIg responds with correct pagecount
4. Papif sends job with postscript error (intentional)
5. LWIIg reads in postscript
6. Papif sends EOF:
7. LWIIg sends (expected result):
%%[ Error: undefined; OffendingCommand: nerps ]%%
8. LWIIg sends (expected result):
%%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%%
9. LWIIg sends EOF
10. Papif sends with EOF:
statusdict begin pagecount (*) print ==

Now the fun begins.  LWIIg never returns the requestet page
count.  Papif sends a SendData(TReq), LWIIg sends a SendData(TReq),
Papif sends SendStatus(TReq), LWIIg sends Status(TResp) with:
"status: waiting; source: EtherTalk", few Tickles here and there.
This will repeat for 5 minutes, when the LWIIg will send:
[ Error: timeout; OffendingCommand: timeout ]
and the connection will close down.  

Note when papif sent the second pagecount request, it
did send a EOF.  A LWNT will do the correct thing.  I understand
we are feeding it bad postscript, but that is the easiest way
to create the hang.  

I have the packet dump if anyone is interested.  Is anyone
running accounting with IIg's that does or does not have the
same problem?  

Anyone have any ideas? 

Thanks,

-b
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: lfm@pgroup.com (Larry Meadows)
Subject: Dayna PathFinder
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 02:50:59 GMT
Organization: The Portland Group

I see that Dayna has announced a cheap internet router called the
PathFinder.  Has anyone any experience with this product?  I'm
looking for something that will route MacIP and AppleTalk between
localtalk and ethernet, similar to Shiva's Ethergate.  I don't need
KIP stuff, and it's appealing to see something listing under $1K.

Comments appreciated, E-Mail welcome.  Thanks.

-- 
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From: Rcolvin@REDSTONE-EMH2.ARMY.MIL
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: my stupidity
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:16:18 GMT
Organization: The Internet


    A friend of mine wants to start receiving this list, and I've been
reading it for so long that I've forgotten the subscribe/unsubscribe
instructions. Could some nice person send those to me so I can pass it along?

Ron
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From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Hooking a PC into an AppleTalk Network
Date: 10 Sep 1992 17:21:15 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <9209091827.AA27141@panther.warm.inmet.com>
reece@PANTHER.WARM.INMET.COM (Jim Reece) writes:
>In the version of PhoneNet Talk we have, it only supports the 3Com
>ethernet card. They say they'll support Western Digital in the next
>release

They've been promising "the next release" for months. When will they ever get
to it?

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
From: paul@ace.acadiau.ca (Paul Steele)
Subject: Setting up for Phase II - Some Questions
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:59:16 GMT

We have been using appletalk (both phonenet and ethertalk) on our campus for 
several years.  Since we only have 100 nodes or so total I didn't see any 
benefits in switching to Phase 2 Appletalk when it came out.  However, just 
to avoid some hassles, I'm begining to wonder if I should get Phase 2 
flowing.  Our entire network consists of one zone scattered across 3 
fastpaths and several star controllers.  Would switching to Phase 2 provide 
us with any benefits?

Another problem I'm having is understanding the set up for Phase 2, 
specifically the part about the network range.  Should I specify a range of
1-65279?  Should all the fastpaths be set the same?   And our Novell servers 
running netware for the mac?  The phase 2 stuff is all pretty new to me, so 
any helpful hints would be greatly appreciated.

___
Paul Steele, Network Services Manager              902-542-2201x660
Acadia University, Computer Centre            FAX: 902-542-4364
Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada, B0P 1X0  Internet: Paul.Steele@acadiau.ca
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Hooking a PC into an AppleTalk Network
From: Michel.Davidoff@sonoma.edu (Michel Davidoff)
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:18:11 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonoma state university

In article <9209091827.AA27141@panther.warm.inmet.com> reece@PANTHER.WARM.INMET.COM (Jim Reece) writes:
>Subject: Re: Hooking a PC into an AppleTalk Network
>From: reece@PANTHER.WARM.INMET.COM (Jim Reece)
>Date: 9 Sep 92 18:27:14 GMT
>In the version of PhoneNet Talk we have, it only supports the 3Com
>ethernet card. They say they'll support Western Digital in the next
>release
>
>reece@panther.warm.inmet.com
I WOULD NOT BELIVE EVEN ONE WORD THAT FARALLON SAYS.

Michel