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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:59:44 GMT
From:         ps@JET.UK
Subject:      Passwords - Why Bother!

Following on from the "you can change your password without and checks using
MUSER fiasco" comes the new VINES security breach!

Why bother with passwords at all ..........

Here's what you do . . .

  Find a Macintosh (1.2 or 1.3b6 software)

  If it is already logged in, select the Chooser and click on logout.

  Now you are logged out, click on login  this will present you with a login
  screen complete with the name of the user already thoughtfully typed in for
  you.

  Randomly type a few characters on the keyboard, and press return.

  Wait a few seconds for VINES to inform you that you are logged in.

  This is fully repeatable!

I trust that all you fellow system administators sleep well over Christmas,
knowing that your PHYSICAL access is secure!

Fellow Banyan administrators, please try to repeat this, and plague Banyan
fast!  This is already common knowledge here and MUST be fixed ASAP before it
becomes abused, it could already be affecting you, without you realising it.
The UK is virtually shut down until the 4th Jan, this was reported on the 18th
and I have had no reponse to date!   Maybe in the States you will have better
luck!

Merry Christmas

Paul Simmonds
VINES System Manager

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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:57:38 EST
From:         "Lawrence Belan ][" <lbelan@FERT1.FE.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 250Mb tapes in Archive 150?
              Edward A." at Dec 30, 92 01:51:00 pm

As Andrews, Edward A. was saying:
>
> I seem to remember a discussion a few months back about using the DC-6250
> tape cartridges in an Archive 150Mb tape drive.  Is this possible?  (I.E.,
> can we really get 250Mb onto a DC-6250 even though we are using the same old
> 150 Mb drive unit?
>
> Thanks in advance,

Yep, it does work...I've been using the DC-6250's in my 150 drive for over
a year...no problem.

the only difference between the 6150 and 6250 is the tape is longer...
the other properties are the same.

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Date:         Sun, 27 Dec 1992 11:05:26 CST
From:         David=Blair%ComputerSrvcs%WILL@BIGBIRD.WILL.UIUC.EDU
Subject:      re: Banayn + Netware

Wong,
        Add the Novell statements to your protocol.ini file.  Make sure they
come before the Vines statements.  Since Vines does a netbind after they load
and no other protocols will be loaded.  I have not tried this.  It is just
what I have heard from some friends.  Also, get a hold of the current packet
driver suite of files and possibly a Novell lan driver disk.  Somewhere on one
of those you should find a file called ndis_ipx or ndis_odi.  Instead of NDIS
you could try Packet Drivers.  Just some thoughts hope it helps.

"Through Complexity there is Simplicity, Through Simplicity there is Complexity"
David L. Blair                  davidb@uiuc.edu         (217)-333-2565 - Voice
Computer Resource Coordinator   U of I - Col. of Comm.  (217)-333-7151 - FAX
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:40:19 CST
From:         Rick=L.=Perales%2nd=Fl%FPCM@FPCM.MED.UTH.TMC.EDU
Subject:      re: HDLC Server-Server

Daniel,

No. But i do have the WAN option on both servers. Which i believe is all you
need for an HDLC connection; since it is a remote connection.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:12:40 EST
From:         Elliott Coates <COATES@UMUC.BITNET>
Subject:      N*****l Buys Unix Systems Labs

Hmmm...?!

Elliott Coates
coates@umuc.umd.edu
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:41:41 EST
From:         Daniel=Chen%COMPUTER%UMASS@BANYAN.UMMED.EDU
Subject:      re: HDLC Server-Server

Stupid question:  do you have server-server lan? on both servers?

Daniel Chen
dchenb@ummed.edu
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Date:         Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:44:20 CET
From:         Chris=Belmans%Bib%Rechten@CC3.KULEUVEN.AC.BE
Subject:      Racal-Datacom ES3210, NDIS.

We have 2 servers (EISA) with ES3210 Racal-Datacom Ethernet cards. They work
fine.  The servers run Vines 4.11(5).
I installed an ES3210 in a workstation.  The Racal diags run correctly.
To connect to Vines, I installed NDIS ETHERNET with PCCOPY.
In config.sys was added :
device = C:\Banyan\Protman.dos /i:c:\banyan
device = C:\Banyan\es3210.dos
When I boot the system I get the following messages :

MS DOS LAN MANAGER Protocol Manager v1.1 (respons of Protman.dos&Protocol.ini?)
Racal-Datacom ES3210 Lan Manager Mac Rev 1.44 (respons of ES3210.dos?)

Invalid Keyword/Arguments, check configuration (why???)

The ES3210.dos file date is : 12-13-91, file size is 14.492.

Does anyone have an idea whats wrong? (is the driver to old?, configuration
not correct?)

Chris Belmans
K.U.Leuven/Rechtsgeleerdheid
Tiensestraat 41, B-3000 Leuven, Belgium.
cbelmans@cc3.kuleuven.ac.be
From: Thomas=Dyckes%IS%CHI@ALOHA.CHI.OHIO-STATE.EDU
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Subject: re: Banyan <-> PP <-> The World
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:02:49 GMT
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Have you tried a VINES nickname (without spaces) in the same
group as the SMTP service?



-Thomas Dyckes
 Children's Hospital - Columbus, Ohio
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Date:         Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:03:58 PST
From:         Craig Armstrong <craiga@SPOCK.DIS.CCCD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: N*****l Buys Unix Systems Labs

>
> Hmmm...?!
>
> Elliott Coates
> coates@umuc.umd.edu
>

Think of the ramifications of Novell having AT&T Unix! I can see them
not licensing source code to Banyan and putting hooks in to be "VINES
unaware" !!!


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From: ccewch@nuscc.nus.sg (Wong Chee Heng)
Subject: Banayn + Netware
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 09:02:49 GMT

Is it possible to access to NetWare server after logon to a VINES server?
I am using a NDIS driver when running BAN, can I load in IPX to work with
a NetWare service or even a NetWare file server? If so how?

Thank you.


--
Wong Chee Heng
Systems Programmer
ccewch@nuscc.nus.sg.
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 09:33:52 PST
From:         TJE2%CE%SFNPG@CTS27.CS.PGE.COM
Subject:      Re: N****l vs Unix

Fellow Viners,

Kindly spare the members of this list the need to wade through the diarrhea
of this and similar religious arguments.  Thank you.
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Date:         Tue, 22 Dec 1992 11:14:51 -0500
From:         ROB CLARK <RCLARK@DMCS.DND.CA>
Subject:      ABUI Spring '93 San Francisco

Is the conference schedule out yet?  I know the dates are 25-28 April,
with training sessions 29-30 April.  I'd like to see the whole schedule
as soon as possible so I can start the travel approval process.

LCdr Rob Clark
National Defence Headquarters
Ottawa, Canada
Tel: (613)994-8949    Fax: (613)997-5458
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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 11:06:32 EST
From:         Patrick=Smoker%Admin%Ag@ADMIN.AGAD.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:      re: Mailbox file access

>Sorry for my ignorance but can't you forward the mail ?? If so try the
>setmail M_Mail@group@Server [new_mail_address]
>in the users profile.
>
>Hendrik.

The user is in Africa with no email.  Though we could have him dial into
our server to read/send mail, the long distance charges make it
prohibitive.  Since it is much less expensive for the University to call
Africa than for Africa to call the University, one of the staff here will
use Kermit to transmit the file to Africa once a week.  With that in
mind, it would be a better solution if one could dump the entire mailbox
to a file rather than save each message to multiple files, and then append
them together.

Thanks for your thoughts though.

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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:32:03 -0300
From:         Ian.Brabham@CC.MONASH.EDU.AU
Subject:      re: Open files by a VINES third party VINES service

Ted Kull,

>Anybody know if there is any truth to the statement that Oracle has told us
>that they can only have 11 files open at a time due to a limit imposed by
>VINES?

According to the rev 5 Service Developers guide page 2-28 the maximum number
of open files per process is 20.

According to the include file, limits.h, OPEN_MAX is 60.  Writing a test
program the maximum number of files able to be opened is 57 plus the stdin,
stdout and stderr handles making 60 total the same as MAX_OPEN.  Under rev
4.00(5) the same program can open 61 files making 64 handles available.

Ian Brabham                 email: ian.brabham@cc.monash.edu.au
Micro Support Group         phone: +61 3 565 4742
Monash University           fax:   +61 3 565 4746
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:35:44 CST
From:         Bob Cramer <cramerb@SVM.VETMED.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Banayn + Netware

We have looked at both Hughes and Prolinc to do this.  Both worked fine but were
a bit too expensive.  Then we switched to Vines 5.0 and were able to do the
exact same thing using packet drivers at no cost.  (You will need some memory
manager if you plan to load both Banyan and Novell of course).  You will need
IPXPKT, which comes from Clarkson (to load IPX and a packet driver seperately).
Other than that, you just need to load them in a certain order.  You must have
Vines Z Drive before you get any novell drives.  In other words redirX must be
loaded before netX.  Then the novell login drive would be [:  (the ascii char
after Z).
Here is an example of all this:

@echo off
cd\banyan
wd8003e 0x60 5 0x280 0xd000
ban /nc
csiban
redir4
z:login
c:
cd\novell
ipxpkt
net4
[:login
rem At this point you may need to re-map some drives that conflicted with vines
[:
cd\public
map x:=sys:\home
..................

Some of the novell drives may map over the banyan drives, but all you have to do
is re-map them to another drive and the Banyan drive is back.  You may need to
toy with the number of file handles allocated to DOS, VINES and NOVELL so you
don't go to high.

All of these issues (the order of loading the files, dealing with a [: drive,
having to re-map manually, and working with the number of file handles) occur no
matter how you access the two networks.  The main difference is that with
Prolinc and Hughes, they try to do most of that for you.  If you have any
specific questions you can reach me at cramerb@svm.vetmed.wisc.edu

Thanks,
Bob
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Date:         Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:11:15 EST
From:         sparre@DELMARVA.COM
Subject:      Packet Drivers and Ebanyan

Hello gang - thought I'd share some info for those wrestling with Ebanyan
and all the NDIS and Packet Driver stuff.

I'm new to the packet driver arena and am no expert, but even after following
as many messages as I could from all of the wonderful folks out here, I didn't
see all the info I needed in ONE place - so I offer it here:

   Using a new 3Com 3c509 Etherlink III card and the latest 3c509 packet
   drivers available on csus.edu in /pub/banyan/experimental, here is
   how I have the beast configured.

   You will need to run PCCOPY and select the Cabletron Ethernet Packet
   Drivers to get the files you need for Vines.

   The 3c509.exe diag file comes with the Etherlink III disk, and I rename
   it to diag509 (so it won't conflict with 3c509.com - the packet driver
   file on csus).

   My example assumes QEMM as a memory manager. Substitute your favorite
   memory manager wherever appropriate of course.

 o Configure the card using the diag - e.g. I/O = 300 and IRQ=10 in my case.

 o Reconfigure the memory manager (e.g. qemm) and get rid of all the old
   ARAM parameters needed for the old 3c503 or 8013 cards - no more UMB!!!

 o Run 3c509.com and use the 0x60 software interrupt - recommended by FTP
   as the normal packet driver interrupt:

                3c509 0x60

   I put it in my AUTOEXEC.BAT - takes only 3280 bytes, so I didn't even try
   to load it high.

 o Run BAN /nc (no comm driver load)
 o Run \qemm\loadhi csiban   (about 70K)
 o Run \qemm\loadhi redir4   (about 57K)
 o Run login (assumes you need to get to the net for ebanyan)
 o Run ebanyan -m  (loads most into Expanded memory, leaves about 27K in
        conventional memory)

I can now run version 2.11 of PCTCP with about 600K of conventional memory
left and run Win 3.1 with TCP available to all sessions. The 3c509 is
working great and I don't have to mess with NDIS files! Hope this info
proves helpful to someone.

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From: prm@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Paul Raymond McMullin)
Subject: unloading banyan drivers?
Keywords: cabletron drivers, mark & release, packet drivers
Organization: Johns Hopkins Continuing Professional Programs
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:10:55 GMT


We've started using the crynwr packet drivers with the "CSIBAN.COM" interface.
This appears to work fairly well, and the packet drivers seem to support
concurrent TCP/IP sessions using FTP software's "NDIS/IFCUST" packet driver
interface, also without real problems.  Now that more and more users are
getting DOS 5 and Windows, we're starting to "loadhigh" the packet driver and
the Banyan drivers on some machines, again successfully.

But here's the problem: quite a few of our users used to run MARK or MARKNET
before starting the Banyan software (esp. running the 3c503ban.com driver) and
then running RELEASE or RELNET when finished with the network to "unload" the
Banyan drivers.  If they were running TCP/IP they'd run the EBANYAN interface
that allows the FTP software to pass their packets to the 3c503ban.com driver
to operate the card.  If we "loadhigh" the crynwr packet driver, and MARK and
RELEASE the Banyan drivers to unload them, when you try to load the Banyan
drivers a second time they report that the packet driver appears to be busy.

The FTP software's "ETHDRV" and "INET UNLOAD" commands appear to be able to
clean up after themselves so that a second invocation of the ETHDRV command
succeeds!  Is there anyone who is using the packet drivers with Banyan that
knows how to unload the Banyan drivers?

(I know that loading the packet driver AFTER the MARK command works, and I
also know that the packet driver comes with a "termin" program to unload it,
but in the first place unloading the packet driver defeats the "concurrency"
that I hope to establish with Windows [suppose Banyan is in one window and
TCP/IP is in another], and secondly, TERMIN does not seem to work when the
packet driver is "loadhigh"ed.)

I suspect that someone familiar with the way the packet drivers work could
"whip up" a simple C-ish program that could be run after the RELEASE that
dumps the Banyan drivers to tell the packet driver that the session is
closing would allow the second Banyan invocation to re-subscribe.

(I had hoped that the PKTMUX (packet multiplexing) driver might be applicable
for this problem, but it appears to be mainly for TCP/IP sessions; in any case
I still don't think that the RELEASE of the Banyan drivers would allow the
PKTMUX driver to recognize that the subscriber has departed...)

Thanks.

-prm
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Paul McMullin prm@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
From: dave.parsons@factory.com (Dave Parsons) 
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Subject: Re: 250Mb tapes in Archive 150? 
Date: 2 Jan 93 16:50:00 GMT
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Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: dave.parsons@factory.com (Dave Parsons) 

To:         Craig Armstrong <craiga@SPOCK.DIS.CCCD.EDU> 
CA>  
 
<...> 
 
CA> Interesting note: When we obtained our original backup system (IB02/ 
CA> Archive 150s) from Banyan, the cost was ~$2500. After I was able to stand 
CA> up again after bending over, I found that both Archive and Emulex (IB02) 
CA> were within a mile of our site. Total cost for each system from them came 
CA> to around $700. At $1800 for handling and shipping, I'd give up my job 
CA> any day!!! 
 
 
You think THAT's bad... a 2.2gig DAT drive OEM's for $1500, a SCSI  
controller is... $300? and Banyan sells the 'package' for a bargin  
$7000.  I can't stand dealing with that... stuff... 
 
Dave 
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 11:04:45 EST
From:         Thomas=C.=Gray%NetAdmin%CSS@CSS.UNC.EDU
Subject:      SMTP addresses in Banyan Lists?

Quick question for y'all while I peruse the manuals.

problem:

We have (unfortunately) a small NOVELL site that we communicate with
using SMTP mail.  We would like to be able to mail to a list of
people at that site using one "nickname".

Since we can't make a Banyan list using SMTP names AND I don't know
how to share address books, the only way I can think of to accomplish
this is for EACH user at our site to create an address book entry
for that group of folks -- this is not great 'cuz there are 20 people
in the novell group.

Sorry, thought the BEST answer is to switch them to BANYAN, this won't
happen until late next year.

Any input is greatfully accepted, either to me at
    tom@css.unc.edu
    utomg@med.unc.edu
    (919) 966-1844 fax
    (919) 966-1826 voice

Thanx!
tom gray, network administrator,
 UNC Chapel Hill
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From: gary@dragon.dsh.org (Gary D. Duzan)
Subject: Re: N*****l Buys Unix Systems Labs
Organization: Delaware State Hospital
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:09:16 GMT

In article <00965E81.D13E1FA0.23096@umuc.umd.edu> Elliott Coates <coates@UMUC.UMD.EDU> writes:
>
>Hopefully, Novell picks up more from Unix than they mold Unix.
>
>Unix is very well thought out OS and of course Netware is not.
>
>Elliott Coates
>coates@umuc.umd.edu

   I've heard some rumors that Novell may be planning to "streamline"
Unix to get rid of some of the (alleged) bloat. As far as Unix
being well thought out, that may have been true for V7, but from
what I've read it seems that SVR4 and most modern Unix-derived
operating systems are a jumbled mix of features from SV and BSD.
Not to say it is bad, mind you. As far as which is better is
concerned, I've not have enough experience with Novell to make a
comparison. Personally, I'd be happiest if we could convert all
our systems to the Amoeba operating system from VU in The Netherlands.
:-)

                                   Gary D. Duzan
                                   Network Administrator
                                   Delaware State Hospital




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Date:         Wed, 23 Dec 1992 12:27:00 LCL
From:         UKDM@DKAUNI2.BITNET
Subject:      SUBSCRIBE

subsribe banyan-l@akronvm Georg M.
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Date:         Mon, 28 Dec 1992 12:00:32 EST
From:         Robert=H.=Whelan%CIS%DFCI@RHYS.DFCI.HARVARD.EDU
Subject:      SMTP

>In-Reply-To:  Thomas=C.=Gray%NetAdmin%CSS%CSS.UNC.EDU@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU "SMTP
>              addresses in Banyan Lists?" (Dec 28, 11:04)

>Tom;
>        The only way that I can see you easily getting mail via SMTP to those
>N* folks would be as follows:

>1. make a StreetTalk name for each of them (20 isn't too bad). Make their
>profiles contain just a single setmail entry that points their mail as
>follows:
>SETMAIL SMTP_GATEWAY@group@org[smtp.address@unc.edu]

>Make sure that their accounts can't be used to login, etc.

>2. Now you can create a StreetTalk 'list' that contains those 20 names. The
>list will show up in the STDA popup for everyone on your network.

TO ALL:

This will work and we are using it here.  However, we are looking for the same
functionality for 500+ Mac users and 500+ other external users.

One solution I used is to add a "list" in the STDA Inclusion File.  Simply
add a List Name, and then in the ADDR: block, list all their addresses.  Works
GREAT!

A caveat, there's always one, is that *@*@* messages do not get sent to them
because the STDA list is not a valid username and will not have mail sent to
it (or your N***** users).

Contact me directly if you're having trouble with it or the syntax.

******************************
Bob Whelan
Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Boston, MA
Addr: R_WHELAN@FARBER.HARVARD.EDU
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