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From: jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc)
Subject: Re: Netters, Please! Watch expletives here
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 13:22:27 GMT

lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu writes:

>Netters,  please!  COMP.BBS.MISC is *NOT* the place to let your language
>run loose!  

We all hear and use these words every day, and no words have been used
that cant be said on the radio.  So deal with it or get lost.

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: Irritating BNU FOSSIL / Telegard display conflict
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:37:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.041609.26803@nwnexus.WA.COM> ralphs@halcyon.com  
(Ralph Sims) writes:
> pauls@bigheavywood.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
> 

..

> BNU Release 5?  The release version is BNU 1.70.  Subsequent beta
> releases had an 'opening screen' that could not be supressed with
> -M.  If you aren't using BNU 1.70, I'd suggest getting it.  There
> are bugs in most of the beta versions (which is a natural part
> of the software's evolution).

Thanks.  The problem was solved by running it as BNU.EXE instead of .SYS.   
I misstated the version -- it is Release 5 Version 1.70.
From: smash@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott Mash)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Found Bug In Proboard, Need New BBS Number
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:33:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: oucsace.1992Jul24.153327.17057
Organization: Smasher Land BBS (614)593-8359


I found a bug in Proboard 1.21, a couple of days ago in my logs
I saw a user logged on using the name "! !".  I looked through
my user database and saw no account with this name.  I tried logging
in with this name myself and it doesn't ask for a password, it just
throughs you right in the bbs.  So of course I added this to my
trashcan file.

I then tried to call the Proboard Support BBS and found that the
phone number has been disconnected.  Does anyone have the new number
for this bbs?


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.bbs
From: Jesse.Taylor@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jesse Taylor)
Subject: Heyo (mubbs ?)
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 23:41:40 GMT

Has anyone designed any new modules for mubbs besides the ones provided in
the basic package? I fiddled around with it once, but it was kinda
incomplete and I'm not much of a C programmer (yet...).

JT

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From: lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Netters, Please!  Watch expletives here
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:09:59 +1700
Organization: Lamar University - Beaumont

Netters,  please!  COMP.BBS.MISC is *NOT* the place to let your language
run loose!  Most of us seem to have a sense of decency for some of our
fellow users, but a few don't really care. For those that don't care, please
do the rest of us a favor and carry your filthy language to alt.filth.nothing.
and let us discuss *intelligent* stuff here.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Computing Across America
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 03:46:15 GMT

casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:
>Leonard, unfortunately you didn't see the program with Steve Roberts.  He
>stated *repeatedly* that he's on the Internet and he also mentioned that
>he has an account and frequently uploads his writing to GEnie.  You simply
>don't know what you're talking about.

In fact, we're his San Diego connection - he uses our satellite
communications system as his Internet connection.  That little white
dome at the back of the bike (if they showed the bike) contains our
little satellite dish.  We hooked him up about a year or two, I
believe.  He can get messages from anywhere, and with the recent
addition to America Online of an internet Gateway, there as well.
Compuserve has had one for a long time, and plenty of other places.
MCI mail, sprint mail, BIX, heck, you name it, except prodigy, and
that's not a huge loss.

It's slick as hell.  Wherever he is in the US (or much of Europe, for
that matter, but it's hard to bicycle across the ocean), he can just
turn on the satellite link and he's hooked up, even if he's miles from
a telephone line.

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From: mchalmer@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Matthew Chalmers)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: FOSSIL
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:13:03 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

>There is one area I need some help from you guys.  Once in a while,
>somebody would talk about FOSSIL driver.  What is it?  What is it used for?

FOSSIL stands for Fido/Opus/SeaDog Standard Interface Layer. It was de-
signed for the folks in the Fido network (Fidonet) so as to minimize as
near zero as possible the compatibility problems with port communication
on PCs. There really isn't that much of a problem anymore, but Fido declared
the FOSSIL a network standard, and you'll find that most network interfaces
(i.e., mailer programs as opposed to BBS software) as well as BBS programs
which claim to be Fidonet compatible will use the FOSSIL driver (BNU, X00,
or other much less-known drivers).

So, basically, a FOSSIL is a program (or device driver in some cases,
just like ANSI.SYS or SHARE.EXE or some of the other common "device=<driver>"
lines you'll find in a DOS CONFIG.SYS file) which is the middle-man
between the ports on the computer and the programs that need to talk
through them. So a program which runs under a FOSSIL actually just sends
all the stuff it needs to tell the ports to the FOSSIL instead, and the
FOSSIL figures out where to send it from there, and vice versa.

This is a very short and sweet definition of FOSSIL, and so others may
reply with other, possibly much different, definitions.
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
From: swirsky@adobe.com (Robert Swirsky)
Subject: Re: New York Times article on BBS's
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:06:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.140436.13451@panix.com> eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes:
>
>As much as I hate to agree with Ron Dippold on anything, his
>speculation is dead-bang right on this one.  I went to college with
>Judith Berck, the author of the piece in the Times, and can vouch for
>her unfamiliarity with anything vaguely resembling hard science.  (For
>the record, she has a new book out on the daily lives of homeless
>children; title is something like _In Their Own Voices_.)
>
>In case anyone cares, David Sanger -- the idiot who keeps writing
>pieces in the Times about computers that have "512,000" bytes of RAM
>-- is also a classmate.  I have no idea what he majored in.
>

I remember firing off a letter to the _Times_ a few years back after they wrote
an article on dot-matrix printers. They said that a 5x7 dot matrix printer
has 35 wires in its printhead. In fact, they even had a diagram of such
a beast.

I told them that, on all the dot printers someone is likely to encounter,
there is just a single vertical row of pins. And I pointed out that the
printhead would move in spurts instead of smoothy across the page if it
had to print the entire character block at once.

The _Times_ replied that sometimes they simplify thing a bit so they
can explain them easier.
From: mchalmer@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Matthew Chalmers)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Irritating BNU FOSSIL / Telegard display conflict
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:51:51 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

>>When using BNU release 5 with Telegard 2.7 on my true blue AT...
>
>BNU Release 5?  The release version is BNU 1.70.

Sorry, you're both wrong. FOSSIL (Fido/Opus/SeaDog Standard Interface Layer)
is revision 5, and BNU (some long Norwegien or Swedish name starting with B,
Nugent, Unique -- for the author, Dave Nugent, and the company, Unique
Computing) is version 1.70.

RELEASE != VERSION != REVISION in this case. (!= means "does not equal" for
those of you who don't know any C.)
From: mchalmer@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Matthew Chalmers)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Windows and FOSSIL Drivers. Need HELP!!
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:59:59 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

>PS: DON'T Listen to the fools knocking Win3.1 over desqview, they 
>obviously can't handle even the MILD learning curve needed to make windows 
>work for them..... But they WILL learn that ANY GUI interface will beat
>desqview when they find ALL of their warez are no longer supported.

I wouldn't've objected to this post if you had left out the word "fool."
In my reply (I haven't read more than one other), I did NOT knock Windows,
I simply stated a suggestion to get this guy's computer to run right. I
happened to state my opinion that DESQview is better than Windows.

A lot of people would agree with me. And a lot of people would agree with
you. There is no way to determine, prove, etc, that either multi-tasker
is better than the other, or that either GUI (actually, technically,
DESQview has no GUI, which is part of the reason why I prefer it) is
better, or that any particular facet of one is better than the other.

If you even THINK of replying to this, do it in one of the several
philosophical newsgroups so that you can be properly flamed.


---Your friendly neighborhood Guignol

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Matthew Chalmers                                            "Le Guignol"
Junior                                      University of Missouri-Rolla
Artificial Intelligence                            Comp Sci, Psych, Phil
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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc,alt.folklore.computers
From: pdt@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Peter David THOMPSON)
Subject: Pronounciation of SysOP (was New York Times article on BBS's)
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 05:59:09 GMT

What we need is a FAQ on pronounciation of computer terms and their
meanings. We could call it.... um.... the Jargon File! yeah! and we
could publish it in paper form with the title "The New Hacker's
Dictionary.". We could get somebody to edit it.. I hear there's
a bloke called Eric who does a little of that sort of thing. Perhaps
we can get him to do it, and he can pocket the profits, because he's
saving the net hundreds if not millions of dollars in articles on
how to pronounce "sysop".

BTW, /sis'-op/ is the Jargon File Standard Pronounciation.

pdt, who has better things to do.

* These opinions belong to pdt@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU unless otherwise specified.
You were expecting an intelligent, witty, and articulate .signature? Ha!
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: s4uhkm@fnma.COM (Howie Michalski)
Subject: Re: BBS reviews.
Reply-To: s4uhkm@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:59:15 GMT

In article 92Jul23155001@bike.rad.washington.edu, mcglk@bike.rad.washington.edu (Ken McGlothlen) writes:
>You know, I've seen a lot of BBS lists out there that give the name, the phone
>number, the line settings, and *maybe* a word or two of the subject matter,
>flavor, or what have you.  But I have *never* seen a competent list out there
>which actually discusses the board at all, or reviews it, or critiques it, or
>competently lists anything about it.
>
>I am willing to compile such a catalog, as long as *I* don't have to pay any
>long-distance charges.  I can write up reviews for the Seattle area, but I'm
>willing to collect them from any area, neaten up the reviews, and stick them in
>an FTP directory somewhere.  I'd prefer to do this with as little actual work
>(i.e., dialing out) as I can possibly get away with.  :)
>
>Does this sound good to anyone, or does it seem unnecessary?  Personally, I'd
>love to see one out there, but. . . .

The idea of having a Internet accesible place to d/l information about BBSes all
accross the country does sound promising.  However, maintaining reviews and the
like could prove to be a monster task - no matter how much you could manage to 
streamline the process.

You may be able to get something going by simply collecting regional BBS lists
and making them available for ftp.  I know of very few area codes/regions that
don't have a defacto-standard BBS list that is available.  For example, in the
Washington DC area, Mike Focke has been distributing his list for quite some time -
and it is THE definitive BBS list for the area.  There are similar lists all over
the place - which don't really contain reviews, but rather snippets of data like
baud rate, BBS SW, mail nets, file area descriptions, charges, etc...

Now there are a couple NATIONAL BBS lists around, Darwin's comes to mind, but
that seems too massive - and the accuracy of the information tends to be a few
months (or more) behind.  Maintaining a national list is very tough!  There is
also THE BBS LIST that has been floating around USENET that contains about 300
numbers - but again there is no validation done here as far as number accuracy,
old BBSes, etc... [Note: Darwin lists about 40 BBSes in the DC area, Focke's
regional list has nearly 400!  This is why regional lists may be the way to
go...]

Your best bet, as I see it, is to collect regional BBS lists on a regular
basis, and make those ftp-able.  The main plus is that the regional lists tend
to be very accurate as to expired numbers, new numbers, etc...  Another nice touch
would be to setup a MAGIC-WORD on your machine so that folks can request lists
through the mail!  Ex:

	From: New.User@somewhere.org
	to:   BBS.LIST@cpac.washington.edu
	Subject: SEND 410
	
That would tell your machine to send "Joe User" the appropriate list(s) for area
code 410...

Good luck,
Howie

PS -> Be sure to post here if you think up a master plan :-)  I'll help you
get ahold of the Baltimore/Washington area lists!




Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: syy@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com (Sang Y. Yum)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: FOSSIL
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:58:06 GMT
Reply-To: syy@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Teradata/NCR

I've been observing this gruop for the path couple weeks.
I find the discussions very informative, for I myself enjoy
calling BBSs and get to meet different folks.

There is one area I need some help from you guys.  Once in a while,
somebody would talk about FOSSIL driver.  What is it?  What is it used for?

Any information would be appreciated.  I will post summary once enough
replies are received.

Thanks

Sang

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: pauls@bigheavywood.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Irritating BNU FOSSIL / Telegard display conflict
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:03:49 GMT

When using BNU release 5 with Telegard 2.7 on my true blue AT (with  
monochrome graphics) I get blinky crap on the screen, and the fossil  
driver message *always* pops up and tries to draw itself over the Telegard  
WFC menu.

I'm running it as BNU.SYS, with the /F+ and /M- flags to do fast ANSI and  
(supposedly) suppress the stupid message, but the message just doesn't get  
suppressed.  Everything seems to function, but it's hideous and you can't  
read the bottom of the WFC menu.

Solutions?
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: s4uhkm@fnma.COM (Howie Michalski)
Subject: Re: Searchlight sucks
Reply-To: s4uhkm@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:42:12 GMT

In article 54G@news.cso.uiuc.edu, jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doc) writes:
>peckd@lonexc.rl.af.mil (Daniel P. Peck) writes:
[..]
>Firstly, please excuse me in that I dont know what RTFM means, but the context
>of the sentence gives me an idea.  Secondly, are you a USER of SL or a SYSOP?
>There are big differences in the 2 perspectives.  From a user's standpoint
>its not so bad.  The ansi menu system is a Good Thing.  But if youve ever
>tried to run an SL board, you would see just how incredibly poor a piece
>of software it is from the sysop's perspective.  Right down to the fact
>that when you order it on 1.44M 3.5" disk, you get a 720K disk that has been
>punched to allow it to be formatted to 1.44M.  For the goddamn $100+ it
>costs, I think youre entitled to a real HD disk.  
>I will further expound on the reasons SL sucks if you really want me to.

First off, RTFM = Read The F-ing Manual :-)

I have not used SL as a SysOp, but I have been on a number of SL boards, and the user
interface is more than acceptable.  SL has been around for a while now - and I suspect
that - as with all BBS SW - it was written to satisfy the needs/desires of its
author and was later put into circulation.  There are enough BBS software products
to choose from that you can find one that meets your needs very well.

Someone put a lot of effort into writing SL, and if they're trying to save a little
money sending you a 720K diskette more power to 'em!  It gets very expensive trying
to keep a small business rolling -- especially a SW business!  I mean, you paid
for BBS SW not a floppy disk, right -- or was the HD disk the deciding factor in your
purchasing SL???

All I am trying to say is that because a piece of SW doesn't meet your needs, does
not mean it "sucks."  Its incredibly annoying to hear people (and Sysops do this best)
whine about SW --  If you're really unhappy with the SW - send the author some
CONSTRUCTIVE critisism.  Don't just slam him for selling you a bogus product - and,
BTW, if it "sucked" so terribly - why did you purchase it??????

Just my $2/100

Howie
A Spitfire Sysop -- Which, BTW, doesn't suck :-)
From: lairdpg@lub001.lamar.edu
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Windows and FOSSIL Drivers.  Need HELP!!
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:34:43 +1700
Followup-To: comp.bbs.misc
Organization: Lamar University - Beaumont

In article <5477@umriscc.isc.umr.edu>, mchalmer@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu (Matthew Chalmers) writes:
>>I've just gotten Remote Access BBS to properly handle incoming phone calls.
>>Now, I've just discovered another problem.  It seems that when I run RA_111 BBS
>>in a Windows DOS window, windows tries to take over the COM3 port when I alreadyhave the X00 FOSSIL driver controlling that port.  Windows gives me a sharing   COM port error message and I have to manually type in 'N' so that Windows will
>>not take control of the port.
>>
>>No, I can't sit on my computer all day to type that in whenever I get a call (
>>(I get this message whenever a call comes in).  Is there some way for me to 
>>prevent this sharing, such as setting Windows (just once) NOT to take over the
>>COM3 port?  Any help would be very appreciated.  Setting up a PC BBS has been
>>quite a work-out so far.
> 
> You might try running the BNU FOSSIL instead of X00. The .EXE file has more
> control over the port, and therefor YOU have more control over the port. BNU
> is also a bit more see-thru, whereas X00 often jumps right up and proclaims
> "This is MY port, leave it alone!" and Windows doesn't appreciate it.
> 
> You also might try running BNU at the start of your window, like when you
> open RA from Windows. With the .EXE file, you are allowed to load it at
> any time, and likewise allowed to unload it when you don't need it anymore.
> The X00 .SYS device driver (as well as BNU's device driver, if you should
> use it) normally has to be loaded at boot-time, making it a lot less
> flexible.
> 
> Another suggestion is to throw Windows in the trash and buy a copy of
> DESQview. I have successfully been running QuickBBS under FrontDoor under
> DESQview for several years. I have played around with Windows, but have
> found the GUI to be bothersome, and the program as a whole runs extremely
> slow without a lot of RAM -- and I like to use my RAM for Ramdrives.
> 
> Don't be afraid to call the Microsoft Customer Service 800 number. It's
> not there for good looks on the Window's manual, you know, they expect
> people to call with problems like this... :)

I just read this message.  Seems like real good information to me, as well.
Deskview and QEMM do a much better job and *WITH* available memory.  I have
to agreee that Windows is a "FAT" memory hog.
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
From: ap429@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerome Grimmer)
Subject: Re:  Connecting with friends
Reply-To: ap429@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerome Grimmer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:14:23 GMT


In a previous article, laruedm@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (David Larue) says:

[stuff about Prodigy's private email censoring deleted]
>
>I was talking about a Beta BBS that he was working on.  I got back:
>
>To: Justin Wolfram-Larue (SCBH85C) Sub: Unacceptable message
>
>Justin,
>
>  Your message to Jack Wiolam (DAJM21A) on Sub: Hard to Use, has been deleted.
>It had unnacceptable connotations about the Prodigy service.  Please refrain
>from commenting on the Service except to the Help address.
>
>
>
>
>

Isn't it a tad bit illegal to censor private e-mail on a publicly accessible
system short of purging mail older than a certain age (they purge mail older
than two weeks at SIU-Carbondale)?  I mean I thought private e-mail was just
that, private!

Chock up another reason I won't be using prodigy any time soon.

Guess you'll have to encrypt your mail or compress it with a "password" option.
Wonder how Prodigy would like that, hmmm?
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From: radel@bach.udel.edu (Todd Radel)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: Netters, Please! Watch expletives here
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:27:45 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Jul27.162350.25715@unlinfo.unl.edu> gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...) writes:
>
>BELGIUM!
>

Ack!  What a totally joojooflop thing to say!  I used to think you were
a pretty hoopy frood, but now I just don't know... :-)



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