HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: Which 80-200mm/f2.8 lens to buy for EOS?
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:02:35 GMT

mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John) writes:
> acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
>> mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John) writes:
>>>I've had a customer order the Canon 80-200 f/2.8 L lens. It took
>>>about four weeks to get from Canon. I think the price was around
>>>$1300... By the way, even though the lens was over $1000, she
>>>bought a 10 year service contract for..... $19.99 (A quirk in our
>>>system has only two prices- and $19.99 is the one for lenses over
>>>$250- mostof the lenses we sell are under $500...)

>>>A Hoya (glass, multicoated Skylight) filter, 72mm, $44.99

>>Commercial postings are discouraged on the USENET.  Please take
>>them to a more appropriate forum.

>Whoaaa, who appointed you net.god? This was NOT a commercial
>posting, I posted this as information for comparison, NOT NOT NOT
>as an ad to order these things. Some people might want to know a
>price to base things on, and as a retailer, I do this as a SERVICE
>to the net.community, NOT as an ad to hook customers. As such, I
>did not post shipping, handling, tax, or even a phone number or
>address of my store. Maybe people get more cynical the further
>east of Yuma you go, or something.

No one appointed me net.god.  The USENET has no centralized enforcement
of the netiquette rules.  I know for a fact that if I had not posted,
someone else would have.  Though not blantantly commercial, it is
borderline at best.  I was simply reminding you.  If you wish to be
oversensitive, that's your problem.

Prices hardly constitute hard-to-find information.  If they are not
intended to be displayed for commercial purposes, then they are
irrelevant and a waste of bandwidth.

ACS
-- 
 ___ ___ ___ ______________________________________________________________
|   |   | __|      Democracy is not a way of getting better solutions.     |
| - | --|__ |           It's just a way to spread the blame.               |
|_|_|___|___|______________________________________________________________|
Alvin_C._Shih____________________acs@csri.utoronto.ca______________________|
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: d90-nsc@nada.kth.se (Niclas Schopenhauer)
Subject: EOS Teleconverter Question
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:49:15 GMT


I am interested in getting a teleconverter for my 100-300 USM lens.
However, since the Canon "white" teleconverters only work with the
white lenses, I would like to know what other manufacturers make
teleconverters for the EOS lenses.

Any info regarding manufacturer, price and optical quality would be
welcome.



BTW, I recently got a superb night shot of a traffic airliner passing
EXACTLY in front of the moon. Those opportunities don't come often!!

So you can guess how disappointed I was when I got the photos from 
the lab and discovered that the picture was very overexposed.
I used 200 film, aperture 5,6 and 1/180 sec and a focal length of
300mm. The sky was very clear that night.

Does anyone have a clue as to what exposure values I should have
used?

I really wish my Elan had a spotmeter. (sigh)


---------------------------------------------------------------------
                           Niclas Schopenhauer    
		            d90-nsc@nada.kth.se
                           School of Computer Science and Engineering
                           Royal Institute of Technology
                           Stockholm, Sweden
---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: boh@fraser.sfu.ca (Changhao Boh)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Canon EOS A2
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:31:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

rsojka@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.e.sojka) writes:

>I'm considering the purchase of a Canon EOS A2. Does anyone have any opinions
>on this camera? What is a good price? What are the good points and
>disadvantages? Batteries etc.. Any opionions would be appreciated.
>Thanks in advance.

>Bob

I own a Canon EOS A2, it is a great camera.

What I like :

	Fantastic metering.  Always on the dot for the 4 rolls of slides
	I've shot.

	Very quiet operation.  I'm used to my Pentax SuperA with Motor
	drive A setup so when I started using the A2, I always have to
	look at the film counter after finishing a shot.  Even the
	shutter is almost in audiable.

	16 custome function.  This allows you to taylor the camera's
	functions to your own taste.  They don't go far enough, but
	it's certainly sufficient.        

	The Quick Control Dial.  Fantastic placement.  You can react very
	fast once you learn how to use it.  Actually, it is pretty
	intutive !

What I don't like :

	Stupid #%^&$# Lithum battery.  And no off camera battery option.

	No weather sealing.  One would expect weather proofing at $750 for
	a camera body.

I don't think you'll regrett buying an EOS A2.  I certainly have fun with
mine.

Good Health.

Changhao
boh@sfu.ca
From: bu890@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Segal)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: cat(mirror) lens questions
Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:41:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I have been using a Celestron 500mm f5.6 cat lens for about 2.5 years.
It seems very good to me..only hang up is that they never made a proper
sun shade for it.  It is very sharp and has excellent edge to edge
illumination.

I also have a Meade 97ER 1000mm lens which I use for very long range
shooting.  It is surprisingly good for such a slow optic..

You have to remember that when you get into 500mm and longer lenses
the magnification of the atmospheric conditions is a significant
factor in image quality...don;t shoot on hazy days if you want clear
sharp pictures..also turbulence caused by local temperature
fluctuations becommes a major factor.

Brian
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Subject: Re: Plastic Canon
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:41:26 GMT

In article <C19MFI.Lzy.2@cs.cmu.edu>, rane+@cs.cmu.edu (Aaron Hughes) writes:
> In article <1993Jan22.000638.572@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins) writes:
> >In article <nicholson.11@main.mndly.umn.edu>, nicholson@main.mndly.umn.edu (JOHN JAY NICHOLSON) writes:
> >> 
> >> Why are most Canon cameras made of mostly plastic?  You pick up the Elan or 
> >> the new A2E, and they feel so cheap?  I understand that the EOS 1 is a very 
> >> well made camera, and is very durable, but all the others that I have seen 
> >> are almost pure plastic.  If you don't believe me, open the back of the A2E 
> >> and look.
> >
> >Well, they are light, durable and probably cheaper to produce. Whether or
> >not they will last as long as traditional all metal bodies remains to be
> >seen. I have heard reports that they survive drops as well as or better
> >than metal bodies. Remember that crash helmets are made of "plastic" not
> >metal and they certainly seem to hold up. Not all "plastic" is fragile
> >and brittle. On the other hand they do feel "cheap" when compared to an
> >all metal camera. Their lightness probably adds to this feeling too. Maybe
> >it is just a "feeling" though.
> 
> Well, the reason that motorcycle, crash, and flight helmets are made
> of polycarbonate/plastic/fiberglass is so that in an accident the 
> helmet will deform and perhaps split, thereby absorbing a portion
> of the energy of the collison instead of transmitting it to your head.
> 

Wouldn't you want the same thing in a camera body? If you were to drop it
wouldn't you want the delicate "inards" and fragile lens elements to be
cushioned against the shock when it hit the ground. Yes, there is the
chance that the case will split, but the camera will probably still
function. With a metal camera you might put a dent in it that could
jam up a critical part of the mechanism, or the shock of the drop might
make things quit altogether. Note the use of "might" and "could". All
I am saying is that there are two sides to this issue. "Plastic" is
not always bad, nor is metal always good.

===============================================================
Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs  email (direct)  att!clockwise!rma
===============================================================

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ka1gt@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (robert.m.atkins)
Subject: Re: "Panoramic option" for Maxxum 7xi & 9xi
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:12:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.192148.1176@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
> In <1993Jan26.214602.23354@news.media.mit.edu> wave@waits.media.mit.edu (Michael B. Johnson) writes:
> 
> >The "panoramic option" is just a little matte that goes in the back of the  
> >camera, over the shutter.  Costs about $30.  I have it for my 9xi and have
> >had a lot of fun with it.
> 
> The only thing the matte really does is make it obvious to the print
> machine operator that you want panoramic format.  I imagine, if the lab
> were friendly enough, one could simply say, "Please print frames x, y,
> and z as panoramas.".
> 
> Indeed, it should be very easy to say, "Please print the whole roll in
> panoramic format.", without need for a matte at all.  The only problem
> is composing in the viewfinder.  If you have a matte with grid screen,
> or have an A2/E with the matte focusing screen with panorama lines, it
> should be easy.
> 

Indeed it should be easy and the phot lab should be able to make such prints,
but in the real world (from what I have heard) they won't do it. I'm sure
they have their reasons and maybe there are even good technical reasons why
it would be difficult (can't think of any off hand). If you, or anyone else
actually knows of a lab that will make "panoramic" prints from regular 35mm
negatives then I think it would be of general interest. It's worth checking
that it can be done before going out and shooting a roll of "panoramas".
Of course you could always get 8x12 prints made and cut them down if you
had to.

===============================================================
Bob Atkins  AT&T Bell Labs  email (direct)  att!clockwise!rma
===============================================================
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: EEE on a Canon T90
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<1993Jan22.031151.4163@gsm001.mendelson.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:37:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.031151.4163@gsm001.mendelson.com> gsmlrn@gsm001.mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes:

   >A friend of mine has a Canon T90 and her camera 
   >recently started doing  a 'EEE' on the LCD screen
   >and 'HELP' inside the viewfinder whenever she presses 
   >the shutter release.  I replaced the batteries for her
   >and took a look at a couple of other things, but I 
   >couldn't figure out what the problem might be.  Does
   >anyone out there who has/had a T90 know what might
   >be going on?


   This is one way to make a quick buck repairing T90's. The camera has a
   LITHIUM battery under the top cover that's used to keep a small CMOS 
   RAM chip that holds exposure number, etc. 

   When the battery dies, the camera does this.

   Since the top cover needs to be removed, expect to pay $30-$50 for it.

   Do not pay for a new shutter, cpu, etc.

Yow!  Does the Rebel have anything like this?
A friend of mine's Rebel complains of a dead battery even
when the battery is known good.  We haven't gotten around
to sending it in for repair yet.
From: falk@peregrine.Eng.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: next Santa Clara camera swap?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 05:31:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: peregrine

Hi all; does anybody know when the next camera swap at the Santa
Clara fairgrounds is?  Did I miss it by any chance?  I seem to
remember it being towards the end of January.

-- 
		-ed falk, sun microsystems
		 sun!falk, falk@sun.com
To be loyal to rags, to shout for rags, to worship rags, to die for rags 
-- that is a loyalty of unreason, it is pure animal (Mark Twain).
From: auyeung@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Tak [UlTech] AuYeung)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Plastic Canon
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:01:32 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <nicholson.11@main.mndly.umn.edu> nicholson@main.mndly.umn.edu (JOHN JAY NICHOLSON) writes:
>
>Why are most Canon cameras made of mostly plastic?  You pick up the Elan or 

I've no problems with my 630 body, but I broke the 35-70 EF lens.  I
know, it's not expensive, but for some reasons, the front just
collapsed into the housing and the zoom and focus is totally stuck.  I
found no physical abuse mark on the housing, so I wonder what I did
that broke the lens.

Lucky I still have warrantee left on the lens.  Reminds me not to buy
front rotating / focusing / extending lens (would never have happened
to a 100-300USM!).

--Tak
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Shirt Pocket Cameras
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<FREUDENT.93Jan15165252@jan.ultra.nyu.edu> <zlsiida.778@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>
	<borrel.727881553@fenris.dhhalden.no>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:55:55 GMT

In article <borrel.727881553@fenris.dhhalden.no> borrel@dhhalden.no (B|rre Ludvigsen) writes:

   Why is not the MINOX 35 mentioned? Except for the absence of a builtin 
   flash, it's the only tru shirt pocket 35 mm camera I know with decent
   optics.

Nice as the Minox 35's were in their day, I feel time has passed
them by:
	- built-in flash is pretty much a necessity, a separate
	  flash defeats the purpose of a shirt pocket camera
	- Except for some more recent, expensive models, the Minox's
	  light meters only went up to EI 400.  I like to shoot 1600 film.
	- They were a pain in the neck to load film into (very silly
	  takeup spool design, may have been fixed in later models)
	- no AF, and no auto film advance
	- they were unreliable.

They did take nice pictures when they worked and you focused them
accurately and they had enough light, etc.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: aforsten@aton.abo.fi (Annika Forsten INF)
Subject: Re: EEE on a Canon T90
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:34:18 GMT

In article <1jk0nbINNk9e@transfer.stratus.com> savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia) writes:

>   A friend of mine has a Canon T90 and her camera 
>   recently started doing  a 'EEE' on the LCD screen
>   and 'HELP' inside the viewfinder whenever she presses 
>   the shutter release.  I replaced the batteries for her
>   and took a look at a couple of other things, but I 
>   couldn't figure out what the problem might be.  Does
>   anyone out there who has/had a T90 know what might
>   be going on?

Mostly this means having to send it to service, but there is another thing
which I remember having happened to me. If you press the push in button
on the left side of the lens hole which is for stopping down for preview
(forget what this is english) and the camera is in automatic mode the 
camera shows the EEE. It is described in the manual. So just push the
preview button again and the camera should work. (At least this is how I
remember it.)

annika forsten, finland
aforsten@aton.abo.fi
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: craig@sco.COM (Craig R.P. Heath)
Subject: Re: How Autofocus works?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:33:28 GMT


ajackson@ernie.Princeton.EDU (Andrew William Jackson) writes:

>mstoer@sol.UVic.CA (Marcell Stoer) writes:

>>I would like to exactly how the autofocus works in the new SLRs.

I've been curious about this too.  By the reference to "new" SLRs above,
do I take it that different SLRs use different technologies?  If so, how
come everybody ended up paying Honeywell millions of dollars for patent
infringement?

>I always thought the camera tried to maximize high spatial frequencies
>in the 2d fourier transform of the image.  For vertical patterns this 
>should only require 2 diodes.

The thing that really impresses the stuffing out of me is my Minolta
5000, which, in manual focus, tells me which way I need to turn the focus
ring!  Now, it can't do that by measuring the differential of two positions
on the focus ring, because it has no control of that, so how the hell does
it do it?  I'd assumed it was something to do with phase differences
between light from the same point being measured at two points within
its circle of confusion, and this somehow indicating whether the
actual focus point is behind or in front of the film plane, but that's
just handwaving.  Anyone actually _know_?

		- Craig @ SCO near London.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: markm@wri.com
Subject: EPZ, EPP, RFP, VPS, CIA, IRS, FBI, KGB, etc
Reply-To: markm@wri.com
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:35:02 GMT


Confused?  I am.

All these three letter film codes running around loose without a leash is  
dangerous!  Somebody's going to get hurt.  (Mom always said don't play ball in  
the house! ;-)

Does anyone have a (comprehensive) list of these codes and what type of film  
they actually represent?  This would be a great FAQ.  In fact, I'll even  
compile it if people just send me the information.

So, we know from the continuing "Ektachrome X" thread:

Code	Film
----	----
EPZ	Ektachrome 100X
EPL	Ektachrome 400(X ?)
RFP	???

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: qili@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kenneth Li)
Subject: Has any one tried Vericolor (III)?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:07:20 GMT

I have a few questions about that film:

1. Is it of any good?

2. Can Vericolor be processed as normal print films (Gold 100, for example)?

3. Is there any special requirement for stroing them (I will buy in bulk)?

4. What are the alternatives to Vericolor that you would like to recommend?

5. Finally, why do people use slides (they are expensive to buy, even more
     expensive to print)?

Btw, I'm just a hobbyist, and take no more than 20 rolls a year.

















-- 

==========================================================================
           Enjoy  Life!             | Internet:  qili@indiana.edu
               --- Kenneth Li       |   Bitnet:  qili@indiana.bitnet
From: bindle@sklib.usask.ca
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: need info on large format (4x5)
Date: 21 JAN 93 16:33:14 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: sklib.usask.ca

I have only one catalouge (Zone VI)
I'd like more info on (Wisner?)
Can someone E-mail me some addresses for other large format field cameras?
Thanks in advance

David Bindle
U. of Sask.
From: hsieh1@carson.u.washington.edu (Darrell Kirk)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: What's the difference between Canonet G-III QL17, and the QL17?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 20:55:36 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

I have a Canonet QL17 G-III, and another Canonet that is not a G-III model.
What is the difference between the two?  

Thanks,

Darrell
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: Canon EF teleconverters (was Re: When does price beat out the best choice for you?)
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:33:11 GMT

In <1993Jan27.174119.19856@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) writes:

>|> The front element of the TC protrudes a little in comparison to the
>|> body of the TC.  Similarly, only certain lenses have recessed rear
>|> elements.
>|> 
>|> Thus, on a lens without a recessed rear element, the TCs front element
>|> protrusion prevents the TC from mating with the lens.
>|> 
>|> Alvin_C._Shih____________________acs@csri.utoronto.ca______________________|

>Is physical compatibility all what the problem is? How about optical 
>compatibility? 

>If I can mate a lens with a Canon TC physically, does it mean that it will
>work perfectly?

No.  Canon lists the lenses that are supposed to be used with the TCs.

>Jason Chen

ACS
-- 
 ___ ___ ___ ______________________________________________________________
|   |   | __|      Democracy is not a way of getting better solutions.     |
| - | --|__ |           It's just a way to spread the blame.               |
|_|_|___|___|______________________________________________________________|
Alvin_C._Shih____________________acs@csri.utoronto.ca______________________|
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: jenny@gphs.vuw.ac.nz (Jenny Rollo)
Subject: line film
Organization: Institute of Geophysics, Victoria University of Wellington, NZ
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:29:22 GMT

I saw some wonderful pictures the other day which were solely black and white, with no tones of grey.  I understand there is a special type of film (line film?) which is used to make these sorts of contrast pictures.  Could anyone tell me what type of film this is and whether I can use it on a 35mm camera please?  I would also be interested to know how it is developed.

Thanks in advance.

Jenny Rollo.
From: yuanj@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Avoid FOTO CELL!  Avoid FOTO CELL!  Avoid FOTO CELL!
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:04:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbeh.1993Jan25.160423.2565
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Do not order any thing from FOTO CELL of NYC!

I ordered some Tiffen filter from them and a Canon lens.  In 7 days, the lens
and one of the filters came.  There is a wrong filter in the package.  I had to
send back for replacement.  I put in writing that this filter was wrong and
must be replaced.  10 days later, the same wrong filter came to me again and I
have to send it back.  I put in writing that I do not want to buy these filters
from them and would like to get refund for the remaining items.  It has been
two months since my last letter.  I called them more than 5 times and ask for
refund.  They always told me to wait for another week and the back-ordered
filters will come.  Nothing ever came.  The shippings plus the phone calls is
getting out of control.  FOTO CELL sucks!  Very Badly!  I still have more than
$75 in their hands.  What can I do?  BTW, I charged to my Discover card.  The
Discover card representatives told me to write letter to FOTO CELL and did not
know anothing else to do.  Discover card is helpless!

Remember, do not order from FOTO CELL!
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: byab354@chpc.utexas.edu (Jim Xu)
Subject: Re: Paint on Nikon N6006 peeling
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 02:33:53 GMT

In article <5289@gos.ukc.ac.uk> az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar) writes:
>In article <EXJTMM.93Jan20154326@ida28.tts.lth.se> exjtmm@tts.lth.se (Thommy M. Malmstr|m) writes:
>>>>>>> "M" == M18709  <M18709@mwvm.mitre.org> writes:
>>
>>M> My N6006 is peeling as well.  Mainly where my right thumb holds the back.  My
>>M> camera is a little more then one year old and receives average use with very
>>M> little ruff handling.  I have not noticed any of the flakes.  Certainly none
>>M> have found their way into the inside.  I love the camera except for its battery
>>M> drain.
>>
>>Same problem with peeling for me... Is this a problem on the F8008 and
>>F90 too?
>>
>>/Thommy M.
>>--
>>Thommy M. MALMSTR\M    |  o ,__Q  |  Lund Institute of Technology
>>K{mn{rsv{gen 3 A:202   |  \-\_<,  |  Dept. of Communication Systems
>>S-226 46 LUND, SWEDEN  | (*)/'(*) |  Box 118, S-221 00 LUND, SWEDEN
>>+46-(0)46 13 21 78     |~~~~~~~~~~|  Tfn:+46-46 10 90 08, Fax:+46-46 14 58 23
>
>
>	I was told by a Nikon rep that this is the problem with some of the
>earlier 6006s. Is your one of the early ones?

I can't find any information about time of make.  All I found is a series 
number. How can I indentify that my 6006 is an early one or late one?

Jim
>
>--
>			 - Aman Zafar 			_   /|
>			 - University of Kent 		\'o.O'
>			 - England. 			=(___)=	
>							   U


--