HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cd975@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Daniel K. Holmes)
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush! 
Reply-To: no1important@heavens_gate.alpha.centauri
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 05:05:24 GMT


In a previous article, gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) says:

>
>In article <1992Aug20.191422.1428@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu writes:
>>   Though I'd be more than happy to arrange importation of computer
>>hardware.  I'd bet that even with duty and VAT, it'd still be cheaper
>>than the prices I've seen there (Clive, was it you who was saying that
>>you could fly to the USA, pick up hardware, visit friends, and return
>>for less than the price of the stuff in the UK?)
>
>That fits.  You'd have to buy... quick sums... two V32bis modems to make
>it worth while.  400 pounds each over here; $240 over there.
>
>G
>

Damn, that's heavy!! :-)
I know. only the americans will get this *pout*
Actually, I'm trying some new stuff from my account, but I wanted to entertain
as well. I know, don't give up the day job.

HI DJELRICK, ELLEN, COE, ISUELT!

just me!!
-- 
Dan Holmes
cd975@Cleveland.Freenet.edu   "Wisdom is the diversification of
                               Knowledge"--Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Subject: Re: Marriage and Apartheid
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:16:19 GMT

In article <36403@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes:
>
>No, in some climates, one need only keep them barefoot in the winter
>and pregnant in the summer. However, in more temprate climates, both
>impediments are required. And, heck, if that isn't enough,
>definately don't put them on the public dole and encourage them
>wives to leave their hardworking husbands. Ghawd, where has them
>family values gone to. 

;)  ;)  ;)  ;)  
really!  
you know, folks, when i was pregnant (both times)
i vastly preferred being barefoot and the kitchen
*was* where the food was...

you get *powerful* *hungry* when you're preggo 
with twins...
;)  ;)  ;)  ;)  
peg
From: osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: hot bi babes
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:51:46 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

In article <memo.579270@cix.compulink.co.uk> cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
(Clive Grace) writes:

>>The ex-SO (Ted) gave me a 'you don't _seriously_ expect me to walk around
>>with you in _public_ when you're wearing that' look. I did.
>>He suffered.
>
>I got exactly that from my mother. She says she's embarrassed to walk 
>around with me when I go colourful. Gee thanks Mom. Again, in this
>situation, they suffer, but it finally took enough guts to say "accept
>me for what I am or never see me again"... unfair? Naaah, just self
>preservation.

I will probably get the same reaction from my parents if I come out to them
as transvestite and I want to go out with them en femme. There is a
difference here though. In my case, if I pass successfully then only my
parents will know. Everyone else will just think I'm the daughter my dad
always wanted anyway. Unless I go for a dyke look, which is probably a
lot harder to pass successfully in than traditional feminine clothes.

Gwendolin (do you think I could pass in a lycra body stocking? :-)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Subject: Re: Iseult, Tanaqui and crutches
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:14:09 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (Tanaqui) wrote...
> Provide floor show entertainment? What a shocking thought:
>you'll ruin my carefully cultivated aura of innocence....

Could of fooled me.....

Ellen
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:56:50 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu writes:
>And this is true of soc.motss.  I welcome these articles by 
>the newcomers -- they're usually refreshingly honest and 
>uncalculated and, that rare commodity, *interesting*.

 This being the other reason why I think things should not be posted;
it means that people won't come to post for the first time with any
bias as to what they should say in this sort of thing. It's all too
easy to fall into the trap of basing a posting on what someone else's
said; even if not even remotely directly, there'd still be some
effect caused by seeing what other people have posted; and if, as is
the idea, they're the regular posters, the impressions would be that
much deeper than if it's someone else posting for the first time.

 -- Fenthe
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhialto@cs.kun.nl (Olaf Seibert)
Subject: Re: Posting articles by email?
Organization: Intravenous News Addicts
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:55:20 GMT

In article <17714@acorn.co.uk> steve@acorn.co.uk (Steve "daffy" Hunt) writes:
>Does anyone have/know of a remote posting facility, so that people can
>submit articles by email and have them posted from a non-Acorn site?

Mail articles to any-news-group@ucbvax.berkeley.edu, to post on a group
called any.news.group. I.e. use soc-bi@ucbvax.berkeley.edu to post here.
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert      B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+  rhialto@cs.kun.nl
\X/   It'sneveragoodideatoarriveinthepastwithyourpantsaroundyourknees -Sam
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Bisexuality and DEC PDP's... is there a link?
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:40:02 GMT

   [ I summarized ]

In article <1992Aug11.164044.49472@ccvax.ucd.ie>
     pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler) writes:

>In article <MUFFY.92Aug11065814@remarque.berkeley.edu>,
>      muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

>Ewww. Someone else who knows COMPASS :-) And let's hear it for TECO,
>the editor for people who are really *serious* about editing object files.

   *ROFL*  Scarier still, my roommate in high school was so good at
TECO that he wrote a hangman game in it, complete with using the new
RSTS/E word-processing dictionary.

In article <1992Aug11.162639.1751@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>
     fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:

>Given the lack of real dates mentioned, I'm not sure, but I suspect
>the PDP-11 was around before I was even born.. <grin>

   And who says they ever die?  One of the jobs I had in 1989 was the
establishment and maintainence of an 11/70 with two RK08 drives and 36
terminals.  Oh, yeah, and one sexual experience... :-)

In article <1992Aug11.202233.28951@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
     ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis) writes:

>But S$=SYS(assorted magic arguments) is now all Linear B to me....)

   You want scarier still?  I'm sure if I saw your SYS statement, I
could probably tell you what you were doing; I was writing _worms_ in
Extended Basic.  They were actually more efficient in EB than they were
in Oregon Pascal!

In article <1992Aug12.001630.1114@wolves.uucp>
     wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury) writes:

>There are strong reports that exposure to IBM software is highly
>correlated with SM behaviour too!  :-)

   Now now, Wolfe, dear.  We both know that you're stereotyping again,
and as a confirmed sadomasochist AND as a confirmed detester of
anything related to the Incredibly Boring Machine, it's my personal
belief that working with an Intel chip is a sure sign of pathological
masochism, but not my else besides...

>         Wolfe

      Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
X-Queer-Relevance: Okay, so that's pushing it a bit..
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:11:29 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.054605.25422@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
|In article <1992Aug21.120523.25629@brtph560.bnr.ca> jbl@mesaadm.cre.nt.com (JB) writes:
|>
|>Forgive me if I said "boards", I'm from an older school.  I meant, well,
|>Usenet groups; hell, what else could I call them.  
|
|Hmm, wasn't the net around before BBS's were?

   Don't think so.  I think the first BBSes were in '76 or thereabouts, and
the Net didn't start materialising until '78.  But I don't think that
separate discussion groups started appearing on the BBSes until the Net
provided an example (Citadels may have been an exception, because they
started up as multi-player dungeons and, like MUDS, evolved rather
rapidly into BBS systems.)
                 ____
   david parsons \bi/  Net geek (1979...now)     orc@<wherever>
		  \/   Citadel geek (1984..1990) orc@pell.<wherever>
		       Bauble geek (1990..now)   orc@pell.chi.il.us
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: whitlock@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu (Reid E. Whitlock)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: alt.personals and enforced monogamy
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:21:25 GMT
Organization: Darden Center, University of Virginia

In article <1992Aug18.021719.2871@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
>Subject: alt.personals and enforced monogamy
>Date: 18 Aug 92 02:17:19 GMT

>[Posted to soc.bi and alt.polyamory.  Followups directed to soc.bi
> mainly because the person I mention keeps up with soc.bi.
> Feel free to change the followup if you wish.]

>A friend of mine tried to post anonymously to alt.personals and
>was rejected because s/he was married.  S/he said that the 
>admin was a real asshole.  S/he told him (I think it was a
>him) that he was being discriminatory, and he responded "Yes 
>indeed." What's annoying about the whole thing is that I know 
>of others who have met secondary partners through alt.personals.

>Just as a side note, the other married partner knows about the
>posting and is supportive.

>On checking the alt.personals FAQ, I noticed:

>[quote]
>>                       ****** Don't  ******
>>
>> 1.  Any solicitations for SEX or references to sex acts ISO will be rejected.
>>
>> 2.  No posting from marrieds.  (Married == someone living with someone else
>>                                 with the intent to stay in the relationship)
>[unquote]
>[ISO = In Search Of]

>I've noticed this monogamy gestapo approach becoming more and more common
>in personal ads of all sorts (both newspapers and electronic.)  The
>providers of such services justify such an approach as a way of keeping 
>the 'sleaze factor' (whatever that really means) down.  Being non-monogamous 
>is portrayed as being bad, sleazy and not something you'd admit to your mother.

>Maybe there should be an alt.personals.poly?

>sigh,
>Ellen

Right you are about the increased presence of this monogamy gestapo. I 
attempted to place an ad in the personals section of City Paper in D.C. (
near where I live) last year, which included the following phrases:

"...(description of me)...and non-exclusive in principle (if not always in 
practice) in relationships, seeks ... (description of person sought) who 
has ...a belief in the benefits of physical and emotional non-exclusivity 
in a relationship".

The ad was rejected and they sent me my money back, specifically citing 
these as the offending phrases.

Reid
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Subject Lycra
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:18:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk


[Bethan Writes]

><snicker>  I can understand what Ellen means, though I suspect my point 
>of view is slightly different. The het males I've come out to seem to 
>back off, and are threatened by my bisexuality. With the ex-SO its fine 
>as long as I don't _talk_ about it, and behave like the het female he 
>thought I was (ha!).

>This probably involves not wearing lycra and Doc Martens - Fat Chance!

You? *Not* in Lycra and Doc Martins? Jeez... I couldn't *Imagine* life
without such a wonderful apparition.

Clive 

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: Grant's party... and demuffining self
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:09:16 GMT

In article <iw.713632358@tosser> iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Iseult White) writes:
>johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>
>>May I sign up for the list?  I wasn't at the party, but I would have
>>been, had Grant remembered the VCR.
>
>But Doll, he did remember the VCR and he had a couple of tapes to
>show us.  I feel like I know you already.  
>
>Sorry you wern`t there in person.
>
>Iseult - just stirring again.

Hmph, I know you're just trying to make me feel jealous at not being
able to make the party.  Well, that's just fine.  I can have fun _all_
_by_ _myself_.  

--John, cryin' inside.
-- 
John Flanagan                          ||
johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu           ||"No need to overheat your rhetoric,
U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| Exaggerating items in your pride..."
2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822    ||        -- Mephistopheles, _Faust_
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Fashionably Bi? :)
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:36:14 GMT

In article <16o50kINNkik@agate.berkeley.edu>
     rsr@soda.Berkeley.EDU (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:

>cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>   o Don't assume I am really straight and only claiming to be
>>     bisexual to be fashionable.

>Umm, I must be more clueless than I thought.
>Is it actually fashionable in some areas in the world to be bi?
>Gee, *where*?

   Don't pack so enthusiastically around here.  Note what Ciaran said:
"... claiming to be bisexual..."  A painful truth, really; I had a few
fellow students in my class tell me I was bisexual just to be 'cool';
Fortunately, this was Human Sexuality ("Dirty 230!") and when we got
around to anal sex, I was allowed to momentarily wax rhapsodic (is that
a word? arnold!) about how much I like to _be_ fucked...  it sorta
drove the point home.

         Elf !!!
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Farewell to Rob
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 11:01:23 GMT


Unfortunately I am unable to keep up with the volume of soc.motss. If
Tom hadn't cross-posted to soc.bi his contibution to the "Responses to
people dying" thread then I would not have found out about Rob's
death. Thanks, Tom.

With several hundred (if not thousand) regular posters to
soc.{motss,bi} it is impossible for me to associate a distinct
personality with everybody, especially since I have only met a
relatively small number of the people here. There are only a few dozen
people that I can associate personalities with; for me, most other
people form part of the ambiance which gives soc.bi and soc.motss a
sense of community and family. For me, Rob's name is an intrinsic part
of this ambiance, this community and family.

When I read yesterday that he was dead, it wasn't as if a person had
died. Rather, part of my chosen family died.

I never realised just how much these two families mean to me. It's a
shitty way to find out.

Later, when I feel up to it, I will hack together a program to extract
the names of all the posters to soc.bi and soc.motss from whatever
spool directories our system has them stored in. The list won't be
complete since some people won't have posted recently, but it will be
enough for the moment. I'll print out these two lists and hang them on
the wall beside my desk so I will know who my family are.

Aside to folks on soc.bi:
	I'm behind on responding to email. Don't be surprised if it
	takes me a while longer to reply.


Ciaran.
-- 
Ciaran McHale                                                             ----
Department of Computer Science, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland.       \bi/
Telephone: +353-1-7021539 FAX: +353-1-772204 email: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie \/
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Iverson Notation (was: The War Between Us (Long))
Keywords: Just a harmless little old survey...
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:49:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug11.185907.10697@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
+   Yes, probably.  You *never cease to amaze us, Kay.
+
+   (memories of the 11/70 at the University of Wisconsin come to mind- one
>full-height 19" equipment rack with, oh, about 20 inches of clearance between
+it and the roof of the machine room.  I don't even remember the name of that

Come now, surely you remember RK-06 washer machine size disk drives.
With a little programing they could rock back and forth to assist in
setting the mood.
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: kdc5072@CS.RIT.EDU (Kevin D Colagio)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Keeping sex interesting
Date: 13 Aug 92 03:38:22 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY

This is sent in through mail for the simple reason that we can not post
from our machines right now...who knows why...besides the fact that this is
good old RIT...

->> Dennis Bednarek writes:
->>
->> An interesting Idea I heard about is develop a fun bag.  Each month each 
->> partner purchases an item and adds it.  They do not tell what they bought 
->> till play time.  It is surprising what can end up in these bags, wine 
->> glasses, candles, oils, ointments, nightgowns, to the perverted rings, 
->> blindfolds, to mention only a few.                    ^^^^^^^^^

-> John Flanagan writes:
->
-> If you are going to cross-post to soc.bi, you will have to come up
-> with something more interesting to classify as "perverted."

[and various others have similar/expanded, defensive attitudes]

Sorry, I took this to have been posted to soc.bi for unknown reasons, but
this person MAY lurk here, and just put soc.bi on the list to get the topic
going here...or the person thought that others might like the idea of the
"grab bag" as a change of pace...

Actually, being the way that I am, I took this to mean that The original
author (Dennis) considered rings (or the use of them) as perverted, as
opposed to the people that use them.

After all, by most peoples standards (that I really don't care about, but
it IS a point of reference <grin>), I am perverted...

But to me, I am a pervect pervert...<grin>...

*hugs* to all...

Hell, I'm sick of the normal .sig....let's see....

                                       -= Kevin =-
                                       just do me!
From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Some button badge slogans/designs
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:09:07 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

T-shirts that have two check boxes, one says Boy Crazy, the other says Girl
Crazy. I've never seen one where both boxes were checked, but that could
easily be arranged...

--
Stef                 Where am I going, and what am I doing in this handbasket?
stef@apple.com     
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: alan@osf.org (Alan Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Bisexuality article in _Time_
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Open Software Foundation
	<1992Aug15.062928.2533@amhux2.amherst.edu>
	<1992Aug15.171009.7019@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Date: 17 Aug 92 11:03:56

> As one of the people quoted (I'm "Al, 38 of Chicago" on Page 50), I
> suspect that their editing could have been improved - I'm not precisely
> misquoted but the details get a little confused in their efforts to
> condense 30 min of interviews and 15 years of experience into a
> paragraph.  [several examples]

This is why Woody (my lover) generally requires that all quotations be
reviewed with him, to ensure that things are not misrepresented.  He
does not require that they change any opinions, but that they
correctly represent what he says.  If they are not willing to do that
they may not interveiw him.  They have the choice of doing it right or
doing it with someone else.

-Alan
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Gender difference?
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 00:51:43 GMT

In article <24891@castle.ed.ac.uk>
     angi@festival.ed.ac.uk (Angi Lamb) writes:

>After i've been vaginally intimate with someone, I am physically aware of
>the penetration for up to 2-4 days afterwards.

   Well, angi, after I've been soundly fucked I know it for up to a
week afterwards, and I'm a man.  Does that count?

>I got to wondering what emotional effects this could have.  I wonder if
>that explains why men (in general) find it easier to compartmentalise
>the different parts of their life than women do? If you can feel the
>physical effect of a lover days afterwards, thoughts of them are bound
>to surface more readily.

   I don't see how X = Y here.  I don't find it that easy to
compartmentalize aspects of my life; they all seem to blend together
into this mass that I sometimes have a hard time dealing with.

   Does this make a gender difference?  It's difficult to say, and it
doesn't explain the male/female difference extant in the species prior
to their first experience with intercourse.

>Any comments?

   Yeah... if you're willing to live with the flames, ask soc.men and
soc.women... I'm sure they'd love to hear it :-)

>Angi

         Elf !!!

-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore