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From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Alex = scoring machine
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:43:32 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan4.004700.25460@ncsu.edu> Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry) writes:
>
>	Alex Mogilny now has 36 goals in 38 games, and 5 hat tricks for the season. 
>	Also, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it, but both Mogilny and Kemilev (sp?)
>had hat tricks new years eve, setting a NHL record that will be tough to beat
>(2 hat tricks by russians on the same team in the same game)

It was Khmylev's first NHL hat trick, and was probably the least
heralded in Sabre history, being overshadowed by Mogilny's recent
tear.  Mogilny's record now stands at 38 goals in 33 GP, through the 
Sabres' 39th game of the season Sunday night.  Evidently Mogilny was
serious when he stated that this year he was going to try to do his
best every game and help the Sabres progress in their quest for the
cup.  He cited he had matured somewhat, and that this was going to
be a new Mogilny.  He's agreed to talk with the media, for free, and
even jokes with the press.  Amazing.


-- 
Valerie Hammerl 	       John Sr. would lift Pat over the boards, grab 
hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu       his hand, and start running around the outside,
V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU  faster and faster.  "I wanted to learn how to 
get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate."  P. LaFontaine
From: js0z+@andrew.cmu.edu (James Santo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Where's Danny Quinn?
Date: 7 Jan 93 07:55:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.ofH6uZS00WBO42pFtn
Organization: Internal Audit, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Does anyone know what Danny Quinn is up to these days?  Is he playing
for another team, yet?

By the way, I am using James Santo's Macmail account.  Please address
mail to me, Diwana Chapman.  

Merci
DC
From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EVAN pritchard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: BARRY MELROSE SHOULD BE AXED
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:34:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.C0nFHn.5Ds
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology

jmarold@netlink.cts.com (Jeff Marold) writes:

>With or without Agent 99, the Kings are a mess, and BM doesn't have a 
>clue about what it will take to fix the club. I say bring in someone new, 
>start a fire-sale of the veterans, and go from there. (I would keep 99 
>though)

What did you think of Melrose when the Kings had their fabulous (and
surprising) start?  If anyone had told LA that they would be 5 (4?)
games over .500 on the 10 of January with Gretzky playing only 2
games, I think they would be satisfied.  From what the people on ESPN
were saying last Friday during the Jets-Kings game, which the Jets won
6-3 (Selanne!  Selanne!), the problem of late seems to be with the
goaltending of the Kings.  Goaltending is a hard problem for a coach to
fix, perhaps the hardest.  

I would not be looking to fire Melrose anytime soon.  

_______________________
Evan Pritchard --------  Number 3 or 21 depending on the hockey pool 
=======================
epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu
From: v057p7nk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Alex = scoring machine
Date: 4 Jan 93 13:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan4.071327.22008@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes...
> 
>Actually it is 36 goals in 32 games (he has missed six games) and I think
>38 goals in 33 games after tonight...since I think he got two more on
>Sunday...
> 
>....does anyone know if games missed through injury count in the fastest
>fifty goals record...if they don't he has a shot at Gretzky's 50 goals
>in 39? games.

Dunno, I vaguely remember a minor ruckus last year when it appeared that
LaFontaine had a chance to do it despite missing a bunch of games at the
start of the season.  I don't think anything was resolved then, either.
But the only pertinent record in the NHL Guide is titled "Most Goals, 50
Games From Start Of Season".  Even that is ambiguous, but I think it means
the first 50 games that the TEAM plays, not the individual.  The marks of
the record holders seem to imply this (everyone except Richard hit 50 games
in late January).

Players to hit 50 in 50:

Gretzky (3 times - 61 was his max), Lemieux (54), Hull (twice - 52), Bossy (50)

I believe 2 other players hit 50 in THEIR first 50 games, but I don't really
remember who or when.

Just as an aside, I swear that one of these games at the Aud, I'm gonna go
up to the oranges, find the morons who hang these idiotic signs, and throw
them over the balcony.  There was an actual sign at the game reading "Brett
May Be Nifty But He Never Had Fifty In Fifty".  Give me a break.

The problem may be that all these signs are designed by arrangement with some
local high school or something, and most signs that show any sort of
originality, humor, or sarcasm are immediately removed by security.  Like the
big one that said "Better Dead Than Red" in Russian the last time the Soviets
came calling.  Made it to the USA Today, but didn't make the 1st period before
the Gestapo came calling...

Instead, there are these insipid, milquetoast banners (like "Lady Di Has A
New Prince - Alex"... what the hell is that supposed to mean anyway?  We'll
be seeing Mogilny in the Enquirer?) that are apparently the only ones
implicitly allowed by Sabre management.  Good thing Bill Polian of the Bills
hasn't gotten any ideas from this - he's a fascist as it is.

 Dr.D [The Devils Advocate]        "Drinkin' & women & guns don't mix..."
 v057p7nk@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
 awkorbut@acsu.buffalo.edu                      - Mark Arm
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: WJHC/Janne Gronvall
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:33:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.132610.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes:
>Some more news about the Finnish players which participated in
>the WJHC in Sweden:
>For some time (?) Janne Gronvall (Tappara) has been drafted by
>the Toronto Maple Leafs. According to some newspapers Gronvall
>was elected to the best defender in the games. However, he was
>placed in the second All Star team of the games. Maybe Staffan
>has more accurate information of these nominations and All Star
>teams ???
>

The people voting for the All-star team screwed up, some of them
voting for Gronvall for left defense and some for right defense...and
so even though he got more votes than everyone else, his vote was
split leaving him on the second team....even though in a separate
vote, he was selected the best overall defenseman.

Gerald
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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Don Cherry's Coach's Corner summary - Jan. 2
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 00:05:45 GMT

In article <POPOVICH.93Jan5032527@morningside.cs.columbia.edu> popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) writes:

>Maybe some of the Rangers fans don't like the way Iron Mike has a
>habit of disappearing in the playoffs (except for last year, when you
>couldn't blame him for the Rangers' loss to the Pens).  Historically,
>he does seem to develop a dead eye for that goalpost in the playoffs
>each year.  Hit that iron, Mike :-).  I guess there's just something
>about the month of April that doesn't get along with Mike Gartner ;-).

Well, I must say that I don't believe it.  Gartner's career playoff scoring
(22 goals and 31 assists for 53 points in 68 games entering last season, and
he did quite well this past playoffs) is a tad off his career regular season
scoring (498 goals and 460 assists for 958 points in 929 games), but remember
that all players lose scoring, on the average, in the playoffs due to tougher
competition.  And 68 games is a very small sample; it's certainly less than
one season's worth of games.

And don't tell me that Chris Kontos' career playoff scoring (11 goals in 20
games) is due to him being a "clutch performer."  There will be random
fluctuations.

===============================================================================
[Under construction; I have to think about who to jinx next; I have already
jinxed Gretzky, Hackett, and Ozolinsh]
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Lightning dethrone Kings (TB vs. LA 1/6)
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 09:26:09 PST

In <1993Jan7.102556.8912@cs.ucf.edu>,Tom Wilson writes:

(Notes about the Lightning's game with LA and their overall record deleted)

>On a different note, the announcers said Phil Esposito was pretty upset with
>the expansion rules for drafting. Evidently teams can only protect one goalie
>next year, so Miami and Anaheim will have damn good goalies. Not only that,
>but I think this year's expansion teams can lose players. Not only that,
>because they are playing so well, they won't draft very low (I think I could
>live with that, but the other 2 aren't fair). I think Ottawa management should
>be even more pissed (even though they'll draft first).

I hadn't heard that the expansion teams (SJ, TB, Ott) were subject to it also.
I have heard that the three current expansion teams will be able to pick from
the acquisitions of Miami and Disneyland.  That might cushion the blow a
little bit.

>So two years ago, SJ got special draft rules because of the Gunds. This year,
>Miami and Anaheim will get special draft rules because of the league's
>desireable competitive image (I guess). While TB and Ottawa get the short end
>of the stick. I'll have to hear more before I adhere to that conclusion.

About the San Jose draft rules, I think that the NHL had to make some conces-
sions.  They wanted to add (by most accounts) three teams in '92-'93.  But
once the North Stars threatened to leave Minnesota, the NHL made any deal it
could in order to save hockey in Minnesota--including special draft rules.  The
Gunds did do a masterful job of getting as much out of the league as they
could--for better or for worse.

Let's not forget, though, that Quebec retained it's #1 (the Lindros pick) when
the Sharks entered the league and San Jose only got #2.  If not for that rule,
#88 might be in teal today.  So at least they're being consistent by letting
the three expansion teams retain the best three picks (if they have the worst
records)--except that the Nords weren't an expansion team in '90-'91...

But indeed, because of the large expansion (5 teams in 3 to 4 years), San
Jose, Tampa Bay and Ottawa may take longer to develop into contenders as there
are so many teams competing for the top draft picks--where as if there was only
one expansion team over a number of years, that team would probably get the #1
overall pick for 3 to 4 years in a row!  I can see why Espo would be peeved,
though I believe (I could be wrong) that Tampa Bay already gave away a lot of
their future in order to field a semi-competitive team *now*.  If that's true,
then the Lightning has less to lose than the other expansion teams do.


Tim Irvin
****************************************************************************
'74-'75 Caps--21 points
Sharks--14 points
Senators--9 points
   "Don't look back.  Something might be gaining on you." -- Satchel Paige
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From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris )
Subject: Wings News and Thoughts
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 11 Jan 1993 12:23 EDT  

Well, since Scott Glenn is AWOL, I'll give this a try, even though
my access to info is limited to the radio.

Asst. Coach Lewis will coach the team the next two games with Murray
away at league GM meetings.  A good time for trades if there's gonna be any.

Latest trade rumor:  the Wings have been scouting Boston recently.
Glen Wesley has been mentioned.

Housley non-trade:  I'm glad Murray didn't pull the trigger.  Chiasson,
while not well known around the league, is quietly having an all-star
type year on both ends of the ice and is the Wings most physical defenseman,
something they really need.  Primeau, who probably would have been
the other player in the deal, is also coming on.

Who's Hot:

Yzerman - Rebounding well after a somewhat off year.
Ciccarelli - Great character as expected.  One of team leaders in
             assists (not expected).  Great pick up.
Fedorov - Doesn't have great numbers, but the Wings go in the tank
          when he's injured.
Primeau - Has improved greatly this year and is now consistantly on
          one of the top three lines.
Chiasson - Very good on both ends.  Murray feels he should be an all-star.
Racine - Another player who's improved a lot.  Starting to blend the
         physical play of last year with offensive play of rookie year.

Who's Not:

Burr - Minutes are down this year, why I don't know.
Kozlov - Was supposed to have Federov-like talent but still stuck in minors.
Probert - Seems to have lost intensity.  Played on the 4th line on Friday.
Howe - Playing well but injury is keeping him out of a lot of games.
Lidstrom - Big drop off from last year.
McCrimmon - Ditto.
Cheveldae - Has played better since Murray instituted his 'you win you
            start' policy.  But he stunk before that.  Seems to need
            pressure to play well.

Overall the team has had a very inconsistant year.  When they want to 
play (like Friday against Vancouver), they look great.  Other nights
they don't show up.  Maybe this is good, since the best theory I've
heard about why Murray's teams bomb in the playoffs is that they play
too hard during the basically meaningless regular season and burn out.
As the Pens, Stars, and Hawks have shown the last two years, the way
to go is a slow build that peaks in the Spring.

Ron
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From: srp3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Scott R Perman)
Subject: Harvard/BC Score?
Reply-To: srp3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Scott R Perman)
Organization: Columbia University
				Scott
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:15:44 GMT
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: No 93-94 US TV deal yet...
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:42:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

ESPN and NHL still have not signed a formal contract that would extend
this year's deal into next 4 years starting with 93-94 season. The new
problem with the picture is last Thursday's merger of two national cable
sports networks owned by two cableTV giants. Prime Network(TCI) and
SportsChannel America(Cablevision) will form 2 new sports channels this
year. How will this have an impact on ESPN's contract with NHL? Very
simple. ESPN is planning to launch ESPN II in September which will feature
*3* NHL games a week.(ESPN II launch was supposed have happened in 1992
but it was postponed due to a very low subscriber start-up base at the
time. ESPN II is considered a new service and it must have a separate(from
ESPN) deal with each local cable franchise). Now,TCI and Cablevision own
systems nationwide whcih totals to about 15millions subscribers(not a small
number when you trying to market around a new cable service) and many of them are
in the NHL markets. ESPN II will have a difficult time landing on TCI
and Cablevision systems around the country to say the least. And it's very
likely now that the newly formed PSCA(PrimeSports Channel America) will
make a strong bid for next US cable TV rights to show NHL games.

Meanwhile,ESPN defending the fact that its audiences for NHL games so far
this season are about on a par with those of 4 years ago because the deal
for 92-93 season was closed so late(September) they couldn't arrange
the best TV schedule. However,NHL is quite happy about the fact that
the Cup will be accessible to 61.4 million subscribers this May unlike
last season when 18 million saw it via SCA.

Also 5 playoff games will be seen on ABC nationwide. All ABC telecasts are
scheduled for Sunday 1pm EDT start and the fifth game in the package will be the
final-round game. ABC will sell 3-hour blocks of air-time to ESPN,which
will produce, supply broadcasters and sell advertising. The reason why the
ABC-NHL deal hasn't been officially announced yet is because ESPN hasn't
lined-up any network sponsors and arranged with the NHL to adjust its
schedule to accomodate an afternoon start. Since ABC&ESPN are owned by
CapCities the 5-game package will be easier to close and the official
word should come when everything's in place.(A real must for a major network :-)

-PPV Mark
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From: sad@sei.cmu.edu (Susan Dart)
Subject: All-star voting and teams?
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:52:24 EST


Since we still don't have a newspaper in Pittsburgh, could someone please post
the voting results and the teams?

Thanks,
Susan Dart
From: nmcglynn@buffalo.axion.bt.co.uk (Neil A. McGlynn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: UK-HOCKEY : Heineken Results and Tables (Jan 11 93)
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:08:23 GMT
Reply-To: nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Labs
Organisation: BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH UK

Premier Division (36 game schedule)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Billingham Bombers  8-6 Bracknell Bees
        Fife Flyers  7-6 Peterborough Pirates
Humberside Seahawks  9-8 Whitley Warriors
Nottingham Panthers  6-5 Cardiff Devils
     Bracknell Bees  5-3 Humberside Seahawks
     Cardiff Devils 19-6 Whitley Warriors
       Durham Wasps  4-8 Billingham Bombers
 Murrayfield Racers 14-7 Peterborough Pirates


                      P  W  L D  GF  GA Pt       %	P
Cardiff Devils       19 14  4 1 170  96 29	76.3	1
Murrayfield Racers   20 13  6 1 188 140 27	67.5	2
Bracknell Bees       22 10 10 2 125 120 22	50.0	3
Fife Flyers          23 11 12 0 138 150 22	47.8	6
Whitley Warriors     22 11 11 0 160 187 22	50.0	3
Humberside Seahawks  20 10 10 0 117 117 20	50.0	3
Nottingham Panthers  20  8 10 2 144 158 18	45.0	7
Durham Wasps         19  8 10 1 125 119 17	44.7	8
Billingham Bombers   23  7 13 3 164 215 17	37.0	9
Peterborough Pirates 20  7 13 0 127 155 14	35.0   10


Division One (32 game schedule)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Basingstoke Beavers 13-3  Slough Jets
Milton Keynes Kings 10-3  Telford Tigers
 Sheffield Steelers 20-6  Lee Valley Lions
   Swindon Wildcats  7-5  Medway Bears
   Lee Valley Lions  5-17 Basingstoke Beavers
 Sheffield Steelers 11-7  Milton Keynes Kings

                       P  W D  L  GF  GA  P
 Basingstoke Beavers  20 18 1  1 226  92 37
 Sheffield Steelers   18 12 2  4 173 114 28
 Milton Keynes Kings  17 10 3  4 150  94 23
 Swindon Wildcats     18  9 2  7 132 134 20
 Telford Tigers       18  7 3  8 129 132 17
 Medway Bears         17  6 1 10 103 128 13
 Slough Jets          17  4 3 10  96 129 11
 Romford Raiders      16  3 2 11 105 133  8
 Lee Valley Lions     21  2 1 16 118 276  5


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From: gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: The Todd Bergen Story?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 19:36:53 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia
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Can someone refresh my memory on whatever happened to Todd Bergen of the Flyers
after his great rookie (partial) season in 84-85?  Recall the numbers:  16 pts
in 14 regular season games, and 17 pts in 13 playoff games.

Brad

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From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Subject: Re: Alex = scoring machine
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:56:11 GMT

In <C0Bypw.EEK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v057p7nk@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut) writes:

>In article <1993Jan4.071327.22008@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes...

>But the only pertinent record in the NHL Guide is titled "Most Goals, 50
>Games From Start Of Season".  Even that is ambiguous, but I think it means
>the first 50 games that the TEAM plays, not the individual.  The marks of
>the record holders seem to imply this (everyone except Richard hit 50 games
>in late January).

>Players to hit 50 in 50:

>Gretzky (3 times - 61 was his max), Lemieux (54), Hull (twice - 52), Bossy (50)

>I believe 2 other players hit 50 in THEIR first 50 games, but I don't really
>remember who or when.

I have the vague memory that Bernard "Boom Boom" Geoffrion of Montreal
Canadiens scored 50 goals in one season, it is possible that he did it
before they extended the season to 70 and 80 games. About the other one
I do not want to make any guesses.

- Lauri Tarkkonen
From: hoebel@cs.rochester.edu (Lou Hoebel)
Subject: Re: Norris tops?
Organization: University of Rochester
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:02:14 GMT

In article <Jan12.160534.76000@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu writes:
>A real jam up is shaping up in the Norris. The Hawks, Wings and Stars are
>all looking over their shoulders at the Blues and Leafs. All of this
>points more and more to Norris as the toughest division in the NHL at the
>moment replacing the Patrick. 
>
>The Smythe has two weak sisters in Edmonton and San Jose.
>The Patrick has Pittsburgh and everyone else.
>The Adams has Hartford and Ottawa.
>In the Norris only the Lightning is starting to lose its thunder (sorry).
>
>Any opinions?

Sure!

You might be able to argue that the Patrick is the weakest division.
Only one strong team...and with Mario's back and Jagr's ego......

Montreal and Quebec head the Adams but Buffalo ( very hot!) is right behind.
All four teams are very close ( Buffalo and Boston having games inhand).

Out West..... LA is third and now has the great one and Sandstrom back.
The jets are playing great...and have added muscle....meanwhile
the Flames and Canucks are very serious cup contenders.


So, all three divisions look tough. The Patricks claim to fame
is that it has the best "non-playoff" teams.
After trading for Lowe and having Leetch hurt.....Zubov is now the best
defenseman on the Rangers.


Much depends on your definition of toughest...top 4? top to bottom?
Its not quite fair to consider the expansion teams. ( is it?)
Hartford has played better in its last 10-12 games.

...someone can provide divisional play analysis for the statistical arguement.

BTW,
Lafontaine may win the pts. scoring race and Mogilny may win the goal scoring
race. 
-- 
->Louis Hoebel
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