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From: miked@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Mike Danielsen)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:54:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.214131.8365@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.094852.22453@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> miked@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Mike Danielsen) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec11.044414.2574@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>>>the Beholder and Ultima 6. When I run most of these games I can still
>>>>>use my computer for other things (such as downloading through a terminal
>>>>>program.)
>>>
>>>Give me a break!  Sure, I *can* run my games while under OS/2.
>>>
>>>But I don't.  Know why?  because it is slow!  Get real, there is often
>>>A REASON some games 'take over the machine'.
>>
>>When I run games and download at the same time there is no apparent slowdown
>>in either task. Downloads don't slow down, the game runs just as fast.
>
>Then again, you aren't talking about running Falcon or any 'big' games while
>downloading.  Of course I can play non-intensive things, but there is no
>way I would keep a decent framerate if I played Falcon3.0 or Ultima Underworld
>(you know, those great games that Amigas cannot play?) in a 
>multitasking VDM under OS/2 2.0.
> 

I'll bet it's because AmigaDOS is a more efficient OS with better handling
of priorities than OS2. By the way, there are CPU intensive games for
the Amiga, too. Flight simulators, etc. which use up as much CPU time as
they can get to increase frame rates, are available on the Amiga. What you
would call background tasks such as printing, downloading, ray tracing etc.
either have a low priority or take little cpu time at a high priority.
Still, I don't notice a performance hit playing games with other tasks
running.

Mike Danielsen

>--
>Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
>"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
>lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:14:47 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BzFGoF.372@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> <71987@cup.portal.com>
  <BzIA53.Itn@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>

>>Perhaps when they become *really* advanced, there will be dozens and
>>dozens of busses to choose from.
>
>What's wrong with that?

Oh heck, nothing. The bus of the week is a pretty good way to ensure
all peripherals work together.

>Unfortunately it's a little confusing for the new user, but for an old
>pro, it's good to have a choice and have competition.

Yep. All those old pros can spend their saturday afternoons picking
their busses.

>You have a 31 MB swap file?  That's a bug.

No, that's a feature. If you're ever going to be qualified to
work at the support desk, you've got to get the terminology.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
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From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:20:19 GMT

tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

>In article <Bz5v54.93u@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:

>>Why don't you pick up a PC magazine, it would be quite a shock.  The PC
>>world is undergoing quite the transformation.  VESA local bus coupled
>>with Graphics coprocessing and a bunch of new sound cards.  Perhaps,
>>though, you are right, maybe CBM isn't innovating, just buying other
>>people's parts and slapping them together.  It's been YEARS since they
>>did anything INNOVATIVE.

>It's taken 12 years to establish a bus standard which offers reasonable
>performance and you call that innovative? What a dog and pony show.

>For 90% of the PC industry, R&D means replicate and duplicate.

Woo.  You call that a reasonable bus.  I call it crapt.  Great if you 
don't mind having it suck the cpu dry and non multiplexed, and generally
not good for a multitasking system.  Yet their has been EISA which isn't
that great but with a slight speed loss you get the advantage of less
cpu overhead, and it has been around for many years.

At any rate the zorro III absolutely kills all pc busses out there for the pc.
I haven't looked into those sbuses and stuff on workstations.

And the lowest common denominator will be for a long time be 16bit graphics
because of the flooding of 16bit graphic machines in the past couple years.
And with the amiga's aga, and the Electronic Arts possible computer 3do, 
should clean up.

Talking about EA's 3do, is it EA's or is from a guy that used to work there?
I shall post on this one.

Martin

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:31512 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:21656
From: boing@mcl.ucsb.edu (Geff Hanoian)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:41:35 GMT
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In <27943@dog.ee.lbl.gov> celestre@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Rich Celestre) writes:

>I just got off the phone with a dealer(Amiga ;) ) in the local area and the
>person I spoke with mentioned a UPGRADE policy for current owners of Amiga
>computers.  Apparently it is going to be similar to the power-up program they
>had to promote the 3000's.  100 bucks off an A1200 for the page from a 2000
>and at least 300 off the price of an A4000.  This is the first I've heard of
>this policy and it may not be official (NDA), but I'm not covered by an NDA.
>Rich Celestre
>celestre@csg.lbl.gov
>Bevatron Syncro-cyclotron :  Cosmic Ray Factory
>Amiga owner since early '86


	Are you talking about a trade-in???  Or do you mean just 
	cuz I own a 3000 they will give me money off?

	boing
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From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: How many more girlfr
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 12 Dec 92  12:12:02

> Organization: TAP
> From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
> Message-ID: <jbickers.0l1n@templar.actrix.gen.nz>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
> Quoted from <1992Dec6.174635.16135@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> by
> nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham):
>
> > My question is ...won't this work A LOT better on the babes than
> > a sissy A4000?
>
>    That's why some of us are hanging out for the A4000T.

Oh yeah, man.. and A4000T will really bring in the babes!  ...

"But it's so... so.. BIG!"

:)

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> --
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From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Why my Amiga is gone
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 17:35:09 GMT

>Pick up any trade journal and compare the revenues generated in the personal
>computer industry in the last fiscal year. Compare this to a previous annual
>growth rate of 13%. Now consult the obituaries to see which multi-million
>dollar manufacturers are either pulling out, being acquired or are in the
>process of evaporation. Only so many companies can sell the same flavour
>of vanilla. Ubiquity also infers saturation.

Certainly growth has been slower, but it is still growing!  It just
forces people to incorporate new technologies faster.  Look how fast
new CPUs and local bus etc. are being pushed.  Everyone wants to be
first and cheapest with a new technology.

That's not stagnation, it's competition.  The industry shouldn't have
800 companies in the first place!  If half of them go out of business,
that's just in line with other industries.


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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 02:23:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.133044.1848@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Dec12.171958.8306@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>In article <70750,443-101292161602@3.10.7.22> 70750,443@cis.com (Spike) writes:
>>>In article <1g640cINN4vo@mozz.unh.edu>, ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G
>>>Greene) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>    I can also multitask most of my games, since
>>>>    I have OS2.  So this is not an Amiga only capability.
>>>
>>>Yes, but Amiga owners do not have to have 16 MB
>>>of RAM to use this capability of their OS. Nor does
>>>Amiga's OS take up 30 MB of HD space. *This,* IMO
>>>is what produced the HD status quo among PCs -
>>>people needed lots HD space to run their big, messy
>>>operating systems.
>>
>>I do not have 16 megs in my 386.  I do not take up 30megs of
>>HD space with my OS/2 2.0.  Blam! Blam! Your point are blown to
>>pieces!
>
>So?  what DO you have in your system...Mem/HD Space taken by OS/2?

I have 8 megs RAM, and OS/2 takes up about 13 megs of HD space.  

>          Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
>  -----(612) 656-9693--                         MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:29:52 GMT

>Marc, you are an asshole. Memory protection did never prevent any system
>from having viruses.

False.  If the section of the OS which writes to the disk is protected
and there is no other way to write except through the OS, writing a
virus becomes more difficult (not impossible, just difficult)


Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:31468 comp.sys.amiga.hardware:21603
From: cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:40:54 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

ahansfor@bigwpi.wpi.edu (Andrew L. Hansford) writes:


>>>>>> On 15 Dec 92 01:13:49 GMT, cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chris Fury) said:

>cfury> freire2a@serss0 (Angel Freire) writes:

>>anyways...among the things he CONFIRMED were that the scsiII card
>>will be available at the beginning of 93, the dsp will be out
>>sometime a little later in the year, AND he positively told me that
>>there were amigas in the research labs with DEC ALPHAS running
>>AmigaDos. i was quite surprised. im no hardware guy, but wouldn't the
>>OS have to be recompiled to run on the Alpha? isn't it an either or
>>kind of thing?

>cfury> No, the risc chips can be built to handle MC68000 series
>cfury> instructions, as well as it's native set...  This is a common
>cfury> thing on some risc systems, I understand...  According to my
>cfury> roomie, the MC68040 is a risc chip that is microcoded to
>cfury> understand 68000 speak....

>Whoa there.  That term RISC has be stretched far and wide lately but
>this is getting out of hand.  Reduced Instruction Set Computer (RISC)
>has an instruction set architecture (ie the way instructions are
>encoded ) that is simpler than CISC.  Basically the goal is to get all
>instructions the same length, and have as few as possible instruction
>formats.  This allows easier decoding and pipelining of instructions.
>(by doing things such as always having the registers encoded in the
>same bits, and supporting fewer addressing modes.)  Try Hennesey &
>Patterson some good explanation (RISC tilted since they are the
>"fathers" of the MIPS and SPARC architectures).


Yeah, yeah... I know what RISC is, I know what CISC is.... but, according
to other sources, the MC68040 is, at it's heart, a RISC chip mircocoded to
understand 68000 series instructions.... I do not know how true this is, 
but it sounds likely..... The Alphas are said to have this kind of 
capability -- to be able to run other processor instruction sets through
a type of micro coding.....   This doesn't mean that the RISC processor 
itself understands CISC instructions, but that there is a "gateway", if
you will that parses the code to something the RISC processor under
stands.....

>In any case just what risc system commonly handles another processors
>instructions?  As for the 68040 it is a CISC.  But it is possible for
>a RISC chip and a CISC chip to have very similar execution units as
>far as the implementation of a integer core goes.



>cfury> Christopher B. Fury        | "...reality was once a primative method of crowd  
>cfury> cfury@csugrad.cs.vt.edu    |  control that got out of hand" - Jane Wagner

>-- Andrew Hansford

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From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Subject: Re: sigh.....
X-Spook-Fodder: hero heroin tree shrub bush birth life death FBI CIA NSA
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:23:33 GMT

In <70750,443-141292150644@3.10.7.22> 70750,443@cis.com (Spike) writes:
>> it is unethical to post private email without the permission of the sender.
>> 
>> don't fight unethical behaviour by sinking to the same level. there are
>> other avenues to pursue.

>It is unethical if it is solicited. The impression
>I got was that the recipient (sorry, I forget who
>it was) was receiving e-mail that she had not 
>asked for that was offensive. This is a huge 
>problem on the net; just ask about this on
>alt.sex if you want to see the scope of what
>I'm talking about. Any of you guys think that
>there are so many women on the nets that 
>we should allow a few misanthropes to 
>drive them away?

>Sink to their level? Hah! I couldn't sink to 
>*their* level with a submarine.

well, the subject line finally matches the text:  sigh.

i reiterate: it is unethical to post private email without the permission of 
the sender. solicited or unsolicited.

***THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES TO PURSUE****.

as in: have you ever heard of a site administrator? you know, the postmaster?

if someone is emailing harrassing, threatening, obscene, offensive, etc. email,
*you contact the site administrator and lodge a complaint*. the letter
comes with a reference ID number, which you include in your complaint.
the postmaster has the legal right to review the email.

*you*, the recipient, do not have the legal or moral right to post email for
the "review" of everybody else on the net.

as another poster in this topic pointed out, it is trivially easy to forge
email.

say you post said forged email - that bears an innocent persons name as the
sender. *now* who is guilty of offensive, harrassing actions? not to mention
possibly libelous.

either deal with offensive email via legitimate avenues, or *deal* with it and
send the offending email to the bit bucket.

DO NOT commit unethical activity to fight unethical activity.


sigh.

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From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: RISC Amiga
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:49:14 GMT

papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:

>Why are you so excited about moving to an overpriced RISC workstation
>with an Amiga logo on it 2 or 3 years in the future?  Amiga hardware
>probably won't run on it, most of your software won't run on it EVEN
>after a recompile, (and not at all before).

>The only thing the Amiga, MAC, PC or any other computer has going for
>it is the user base and teh software/hardware compatibility.  Once C=
>starts making high end incompatible workstations, they are just another
>workstation vendor.

>And 95% of us can't afford high end workstations *ANYWAYS*.

>And anyone that thinks that commodore can make a LOW END Alpha based
>computer doesn't understand engineering and development costs.

Are you this ignorant or do you just play one on tv.
Can you say PALCODE on the alpha, I thought so.  Just like that risc cpu
that is out with a rewritable opcode able to emulate 040 or 486 at their 
speeds.  The PALCODE on the alpha is the same situation, you can have it
emulate an 040 and your binaries could work.  Absolutely you will be able
to run the alphas native ops and run stuff like win nt too.  Just a matter
of a reboot.  Or maybe be able to multitask the two.  And sure 95% of us
can't afford this at first, but in time it should go down in price.
Remember to always be a visionary, or else someone will do it for you and
beat you.

Martin

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From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens SUCK!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:57:38 GMT

>	Can't you find a utility to convert IFF>GIF? Or- find a pic viewer
>that supports directly showing IFF. The view program that I scraped up
>directly supports showing GIFs (w/out conversion), so seeing that OS/2 is the
>functional equivalent of AmigaDOS, finding a prog like this should be easy.
>(I'm not trying to raise anyone's ire, "Bullshit. OS/2 is obviously better
>than Workbench..." but I am just asking an innocent question. Calm yer 
>hormones) Otherwise your asking people to do work on your behalf, and you know
>how people are about that.

Yes, there are DOS and OS/2 programs that show IFFs, like GWS, CSHOw
and a bunch of others.  But modern graphics programs are tryiing to cut
down on the standards mess by supporting BMP for windows/os2, GIF,
because it's a telecommunications standard (and it's not a PC
standard!), and a few others.  IFF doesn't fall into this category,
being proprietary and Amiga-geared.
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why my Amiga is gone
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:34:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: sol.1992Dec14.163459.16072
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Michael van Elst (mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de) wrote:
:
: [PC UNIX]
:
: I wouldn't say: turned. On the Amiga you can have your 'hacker' environment
: and still run mainstream software without switching OSes.
:

Maybe not yet with Linux (and I can't believe how much it has developed in the
last 9-11 months), but with commercial UNIX, this is no problem.  UNIX apps,
compiled for System V, are available from Lotus, WordPerfect, Norton, etc.
If you need more, you can get one of the DOS-In-UNIX products.

:
: Michael van Elst
:
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From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dragon Drop
Date: 13 Dec 92 03:26:53 GMT
Organization: Mangazone Advanced Services - ++39-6-7029438

In a message dated Sat 12 Dec 92  5:42, Ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (douglas
wrote:

 I> One:  Is it possible to do this with the Amiga?  Does the Amiga have
 I> any way for my app to use other apps to do the grunt work?

Yes.  You can actualy open an icon in the workbench, where people can drop
icons there.  Now, when the icon is dropped, you program is awaken and can
start cruncing a bit.  For stir up commands, there's nothing easier with
the Kick 2.04 up.  just "Execute()" for one solution, or either use one of
the most advanced functions available in that kickstart (I don't know them
all since I never used them for my projects ;-).

 I> Two:  Where is a decent source for an A4000?  I have not found
 I> ANYTHING in my city (Austin, TX, USA, Earth, Sol III, Milky Way, time
 I> contiuum # 42 8-) for Amiga stuff.

Try in `TWDCTE, DS, Bunga, GARADAM, Isktar, Nebula Blue, time continuum #
12', I heard that there is a good dealer over there ;-)

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Subject: Re: 1200 questions :)
From: cse6053@eve.wright.edu (CHARLES MOORE)
Date: 16 Dec 92 06:21:40 GMT
Organization: Wright State University
Summary: Blather

In article <1992Dec12.160955.5002@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ccb8m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy) writes:
>OK all you 1200 owners, A few questions!
>

Now hold on! The subject line says 1200 questions, and you only asked 6.
I feel slighted!

Chuck
(sorry for the useless post, but its late)

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From: dtiberio@libws1.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:27:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.120451.2784@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <Bz85pK.DHt@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>   You are brainless.
>
>Marc, beginning a letter with an insult is not polite.
>
>And adding several dozen lines of hot air is annoying.
>


	Doctor! My brain hurts!




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