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From: thistle@brewich.hou.tx.us (Thistle)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Ouija board incident
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 22:33:15 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

The Ouija board is an excellent way to open a person to negative energies 
or repression.  Naturally, some of the problems experienced were 
subconsciously created, and fed upon themselves.  However, I firmly 
believe that the board is a means of communication with another plane.  
Most of the entities that are contacted aren't very nice.  Nothing 
compels them to tell you the truth, and you leave yourself extremely 
vulnerable.  Speaking from experience, the best thing to do is to leave 
Ouija boards alone.  If, however, you are experiencing "problems" after 
using one, old advice is good advice: think positive.  Entities that will 
not leave you alone thrive on negative energy.  Fear, paranoia, and 
depression are meat and drink to these things.  If you are religious, 
there is probably a blessing ritual that can be done for you.  Christians 
can attend Mass, for example.  As a Wiccan, I would cast a circle and 
perform a ritual of protection.  The Mass and the Circle are both ways to 
channel positive energy; most religions have an equivalent.  After that, 
about all you can do is keep your nose clean and avoid giving off any 
negative energy.  I don't know if this has helped any, but the Lady is 
kind.  I would have e-mailed this, but I havent' the foggiest idea how.  
Let me know how things go.  Bright Blessings. 
                                             Thistle

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From: rcormac@eniac.cs.oberlin.edu (Cormac (Xbattle -rcormac) Russell)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Eyes,Signs,Paganism
Date: 12 Oct 92 05:17:00 GMT
Distribution: alt.pagan
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
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Hah! Blue eyes! Gemini! (so is my brother...). Pagan.
See it isn't just you uppity Hazel Eyed Libras! :) :) :) :) :)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOTE SMILEYS THAT IS A JOKE!!!!
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that was a joke too. Sorry, am stressed out right now... :)
Blessed Be
   Cormac
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Vote Libertarian in 92! Marrou/Lord!
From: ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley Sebastian Kaos)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Pagan Rock Artists...
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:48:27 GMT
Organization: Kaos Laboratories


In article <BvrFMM.n37@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes...
>ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley Sebastian Kaos) wrote:


Ashley responds....

>> Lisa Gerrard [of "Dead Can Dance"] is a lot like Elizabeth Frasier in that
>> she also will sing in other languages (Pictish, Irish Gaelic, Welsh and
>> some of her own inventing).
> 
>only one Pictish word has been identified: "pit", 

Methinks I may be wrong. The native language of the Scottish highlands and the 
Orkneys is...? I'd been told it was pictish. 


> 
>> She is bi-tonal and her voice is goddess given!
> 
>Um, I know what bitonal means in a musical context, but how it can apply to
>a singer I really can't imagine... like saying your dog is in B flat.

I thought bi-tonal meant being able to hit TWO notes at once. I read an 
article on a group of monks who tried to attain enlightenment by perfection 
of their voices and many of them where described as "bi-tonal". The 
description of this state was that they could simultaneously hit two notes at 
once. During the Dead Can Dance recitalhere in SF several years ago, we had 
a number power failures and lost the mikes. During that time we could clearly 
hear Lisa's voice and she WAS making two very distinctly different notes with 
her voice alone, no elctronic aid, as well as hammering away at her dulcimer. 
If there is a different word for this ability, please enlighten us!


	Apologies and thanks,

				- Ashley
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Witches and death
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 05:16:51 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Oct9.172609.3708@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com writes:

 > What I'm saying goes along with the post I made last month, of finding ways
 > to work together, and agree to differ on the rest. Along the lines of saying
 > "we all follow the Western Pagan tradition (or fill in a word for that phrase),
 > and one sub-branch is Wicca, and another are the Druids, and there are
 > unaffiliated, etc."

I really do like all this, Mark.

Keep in mind that others are much further along the Way before they
too pass into their next cycle, while more again will come after
you as they in their turn enter this cycle.

You are to them, as the others are to you. All each of us separately
can do perhaps is try to keep the path swept clean . . .

Gil

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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie)
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Reply-To: dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:56:41 GMT

Br'an, 
Sounds like a good book, I haven't seen it. Does she say anything about
other combinations, such as if you're Intuitive AND Feeling? Reminds me
of that old joke about the people in the earthquake, where one yells
out, "I'm from California, and we stand in the doorway during an earthquake."
Whereupon someone else says, "I'm from Michigan; where do we stand?" <g>
Can you actually imagine this exchange GOING ON during an earthquake??
Anyhow, it would be interesting to know whether certain combinations 
are drawn to particular traditions (or lack thereof) other than the
ones you mention.  --Debbie






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From: tg0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Terilyn Gillespie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Birth Data (Was Re: a nice experience)
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:26:51 GMT
Organization: Editing, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I finally remembered to look at home for my time of birth, so here's my
information as well:

December 26, 1956
8:20 pm, CST
Sylacauga, AL

I just found a book on Chinese astrology at a used book store, so I'm
going to try to understand/learn about the information Eshin has been
providing for everyone's sign.

Terilyn Gillespie
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: etc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:46:15 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <1992Oct13.232314.5022@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923058@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>
>	1. Congrats Lance on arrival of little one. Children are a joy. (I'm
>going to be a teacher, so I've worked a lot with kids. They're _great_. To
>be sure, I'm none too far from being a kid myself...)
>	2. HAPPY BIRTHDAY GIL!

Happy birthday to all and sundry (sundry being those new arrivals to the planet)
I have been remiss in offering congrats.

>	3. Cymrophiles unite! (When I was 15 I was so hooked on Welsh history
>that I perused my family tree in hopes of finding someone Welsh back there
>among the Roms and Austrians. What I did find were 2--count 'em, 2--Irish
>women who seem to be relatives. I have no idea how they got there, except
>maybe they were tinkers and met up with some of my Gypsy ancestors before
>the Gypises settled in Russia and went legit.:))
>				Rosaleen Dhu

Um, Rosaleen, that's not Celtophiles, I said Cymrophiles: the native name
for Wales; yherefore, Irish doesn't count (I can hear you now: "HUMPH!", you
say. Well, the nearest I get to Cymry is my mother-in-law (a war bride). Of
course, I also get to chuckle when I see offers to find my Family Coat of Arms
for only mumble, mumble; I rather doubt that a poor Jewish family in eastern
Europe had a coat of arms (they were probably lucky if they each had one coat
with two arms....(quack!).)

	mark (who tried to lern Welsh a while after he discovered Tolkien)

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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Seashells
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:37:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.190259.3854@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>: 
>: I'm going to get another one tomorrow.  There's one particular kind that
>: looks like an ibex's horn.  Or maybe another fat, round, breastlike one
>: like the dolium.
>: 
>: Oh, well.  It's late right now, and I'm just letting my mind wander.
>: 
>: Blessings,
>: Janis  
>: 
>
>Now, if you could just find one made out of chocolate ...
>
>Bill

Sounds like it's time for you to take a trip to your local Godiva
Chocolatier. They have many good things in shell shapes. Yum! Maybe
it's time for *me* to make that trip.

Bb,

Corun

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From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Night Court (Re: Bewitched returns! (shudder))
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:43:09 GMT

In article <2ADB024E.1391@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>
>I can vaguely recall an episode of Night Court where Harry got involved
>with a Witch (don't know if she was Wiccan or not), and she was quite
>nice.  I think he met her on a talk show.  Anyway, because of the
>possible bad political repercussions of a city judge dating a Witch,
>they had to break it off.  I remember him asking her something like,
>"But we get along great, and I could fall in love with you.  Can't you
>just give this up?"  She replied something like, "I can't stop being a
>Witch; it's not what I do, it's what I *am*."  I recall it being quite
>good.
>
>Blessings,
>Janis
>

Actually, I was kinda annoyed at his attitude toward her.  He said
something like "I can't give up my life for you, and I won't ask you
to give up your life for me -- I lied; give up your life."  Then again,
maybe it's 'cause someone essentially said that to me once that it
bothered me so much.

They had another episode where a witch put a curse on everyone in the
courtroom...  That episode had interesting bits in it, and the witch
psyched the heck out of Harry, but she was a more theatrical-type...
I tend to avoid theatrics for the most part (not dramatics, but
theatrics - subtle but important difference)...  

Well, now that everyone's wondering "Who is this person, anyway?"
I will come out of the lurker closet...  

Hi everyone!  (But I've only been lurking around here for about a week
or so - thus, I have only read the last 3 or 4 thousand posts... :) )

And what's with this telling everyone your birthday thing?  
Honestly, it was a very long time ago; I don't remember it very well.  :)


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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Seashells
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:17:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.060557.3331@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>
>Maybe I will just have to mail them my prayer offerings. Let's see,
>was it Janis that gets the dark chocolate, or Ailsa?
>
>Bill

Janis gets the dark chocolate, and ailsa gets the chocolate chip cookie
dough. She likes to mix her sacraments, a little salt, a little water,
a little chocolate. No, make that a lot of chocolate. ;-)

Bb,

Corun

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From: pcxsws@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (S.Ward-Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Bewitched returns! (shudder)
Date: 13 Oct 92 09:23:55 GMT
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham

Hmm, an interesting idea, have witches ever been portrayed
well on TV?
The only programmes beside Bewitched I can think of are
Lizzy Dripping and Simon and the Witch, both kids
comedy series. Hardly a positive image, but not
incredibly offensive.
Can anyone think of an adult series where witches have been portrayed
as they truly are? I have seen the odd documentary but no drama.

On a different note, thanks to the person who mailed me asking the
meaning of slainte, the system ate the message before I could reply,
my fault probably, sorry.
It is gaelic for cheers, and slainte mhath means cheers mate,
but would appreciate correction if I am slightly wrong.

Slainte,
Steve
`Am I the only one throughout the land, witnessing something so grand'
It Bites
From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: help from you guys
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:30:09 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


  I may have missed the point.  The question Janis was asked was what a 
subgroup of scientists thought about a religeon.  As far as I know science
deals with how things work,  and not why they work that way.  It is 
possible for a scientist to also believe in God ( or Budha or any pantheon
of his choosing ).  The answer to the question is " Anthropologists come 
from many different religeons.  There is no fixed viewpoint on the Bible
held by all anthropologists.  Anthropology deals with the observable 
universe.  It is a useful tool and requires no belief. "
-- 

		~~~~~/\~~~~~
Iain McCord	~~~~/()\~~~~	Thu Oct  8 10:30:06 WET DST 1992
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: Guidance
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:37:16 GMT
Keywords: witchcraft


I suggest that anyone who wants to practice Wicca start by reading Scott
Cunningham's _Wicca: A Guide for the Solitary Practitioner_, followed by
_The Spiral Dance_ by Starhawk.  Once you've read these two, start *doing*.

It's that simple.  (Simple is not the same as easy, however.)


              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)

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Newage is hypoallergenic spirituality--
it's for people who are allergic to the word religion.
                                   --Jon Jay Obermark
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Halloween
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.sex,alt.sex.bondage
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:18:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.030332.20750@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> lrabe@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lee A Rabe) writes:
>Help!
>
>I've been invited to a Halloween party, and have found out that it is to be
>a costume party.
>
>I need suggestions for a costume.  Help!
>
>Thanks,
>
>TopCat

Well, provided I can find a party, I'm going as a Witch.

Oh, yeah, and I'm wearing a costume, too.

Blessings,
Janis 
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:32:00 GMT

In article <BvuxGx.MA6@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dawn Owens-Nicholson) writes...
>I am an ENFP (Extrovert, Intuitive, Feeling, Perceiving).  I am 
>rather interested in the J/P dichotomy (Judging vs Perceiving).
>I could have easily guessed that BA Davis-Howe was a J, for instance.
> 
>-Dawn

How do you go about finding out what you are?

Tammy
From: PA142138@utkvm1.utk.edu (Nancy Proctor)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: liam at the alehaus
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:50:54 GMT
Organization: The University of Tennessee, Knoxville

Dear Liam,
I've been trying to reach you too! Every note keeps bouncing and saying
that your address doesn't exits.
Anyway, I wanted to thank you for your helpfulness concerning my earlier post
on binding.  Do you have a different address where you can be reached?
Blessings,
   Nancy
///////////////////////////////
Nancy Josephine Proctor . . . . PA142138@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU

"It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question."
                                 Eugene Ionesco

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From: morgan@brewich.hou.tx.us (Morgan ap Rhys)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: updates please
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:43:48 GMT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

>          On another net, I discovered a person  --  not a Gardnerian,
> apparently, but he never specified his tradition  --  who claimed quite
> emphatically that a person was not Wiccan unless initiated by a legitimate
> Elder of Wicca.  Furthermore, he believes that these "legitimate Elders"
> are (of course) themselves initiated by legitimate Elders, and so on back
> into history in a true apostolic succession.  He specifically rejects the
> idea that modern Wicca was a turn-of-the-century revival based on an
> amalgam of surviving folk customs.  He also rejects any Wiccan tradition
> which acknowledges that it is a "new" tradition, and in fact rejects all
> "artificial" or "modern" religions as vile.
>     He has also emphatically stated that no one who hasn't been initiated
> into a "legitimate" lineage has any right to talk about what Wicca is or
> is not.
>  
>     Not being Wicca myself, all this would matter little to me, although I
> like to point out narrowminding thinking in an attempt to correct it.
>     However, after seeing your post, and realizing that this other person
> would probably acknowledge you as "properly initiated," this raises a
> question: just how many Gardnerians, Alexandrians, et al., agree with this
> extreme position?  How many believe that True Knowledge is the exclusive
> property of a few groups with ancient ancestory?  How many believe
> self-initiated solitaries are not Wiccan and have no right to claim real
> knowledge?

 
Seems to me that the last group I heard of holding such narrow-minded
"Mine is the ONE TRUE WAY" attitude was fundamentalist Christians.
 
Not a very flattering comparison, eh?
 
Cunningham wrote in his _Guide for the Solitary Practiti'ner_ "Some say 
only a Witch can make a Witch.  I say only the Gods can make a Witch."
 
I agree with this wholeheartedly.  We can't judge the validity of 
another's spiritual experience.  We don't know what he or she felt at 
their initiation, be it self initiation or initiation into a formal 
coven.  IT IS NOT FOR US TO MAKE THAT JUDGEMENT!
 
Morgan


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From: ddawson@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Dick Dawson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: help from you guys
Keywords: fundy rant
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:31:23 GMT
Organization: Loki's guest house


Probably most professional to make some kind of statement like
"This is a course in evolution, not religion."  This also implies
that the learning of the subject is/has its own virtue not
incidentally reflected in the grade the student earns.

Less professional but more effective:  a very ugly
biker/buckskinner friend was braced by a newborn fundy on a local
downtown street.  He listened to the rant for about 20 minutes,
all the while transforming his stance into a Quasimodo crouch. 
He suddenly presented the fundy with a 1 hand horn sign and
emitted in a sort of psychotic snuffling cackle: "I serve a
different master!"  And near died the death of laughter watching
the fundy flee down the street.

lotta luck...   Dick
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
Subject: Re: Amazon warriors
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 01:36:23 GMT

blchapma@eos.ncsu.edu (BEKKI LYN) writes:

>This person may have a point.  I would argue about sticking
>to modern examples, but I am open to any information any of you
>out there might have evidence-wise on the existence of Amazon
>warriors.

The Amazons appear in Greek Mythology, alongside Minotaurs, Cyclopses,
and what not.  They are not an ancient culture, they are a STORY TOLD BY
an ancient culture.

If you need a modern, and verifiable example, the Sabra of Israel should
do nicely.


Paul Ciszek, pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu | No nation was ever drunk when wine was
                                   | cheap.   -- Thomas Jefferson
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: a shell I got today
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:59:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

Okay, so this is not exactly Earth-shaking news, and so it's the kind of
post that makes people bitch about bandwidth, and so I have nothing of
consequence to anyone but myself to communicate . . .

*inhale*

There's a flea market at school this week, and today I bought myself a
most marvelous-looking shell.  (There's one woman in particular who
sells nothing but shells and minerals, and she has incredible and very
reasonably-priced stuff.  I can't pass by without at least pawing
through everything she has.)  

I think it's called a dolium, and why I think this is connected to why I
bought it.

I checked a book out of the library about Minoan Crete that has a
picture of an "obsidian dolium shell" -- a big, fat spiral shell farging
CARVED OUT OF OBSIDIAN.  How the artist did it, I can't imagine.  We're
talking incredible detail here -- the lines on the outside, the ridge in
the center.  It's quite beautiful.  ANYway, this shell I bought is a
dead ringer for the carved obsidian shell, and I love spiral shells and
have since I was a kid and it looks just like that one in the book and I
seem to be into Crete right now, and . . .

*inhale*

Well, I'm just really thrilled with my new acquisition -- only $6.50,
too!  That's the best thing about collecting shells instead of minerals.
The mineral dealers will gouge you (especially the new agers -- using my
definition of new age); this woman sells spiral shells for pittance.  I
got a pearly-looking nautilus shell that's about 8" across for only $10.
Something comparably impressive in a mineral would have been much more
pricey.

Well, enough about this.  I'm freaky about spiral shells and have been
since I was little, and I'm pleased as all hell with my purchase.  I
heartily encourage Witches and Pagans in straitened circumstances to try
collecting shells for meditative and decorative purposes on altars and
stuff.  The hell with the minerals -- go for shells!  Similar to
minerals, they are highly ordered and mathematically characterizable,
and need absolutely no human intervention to be created.

Blessings,
Janis
 
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