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From: dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly)
Subject: Re: Image
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 08:07:47 GMT

jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.145444.15510@urbana.mcd.mot.com> asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto) writes:
>>thing has been true of all of the Image books (except Youngblood) so far, the
>>coloring is phenomenal. I've been very impressed with the job that's been done 
>>on the coloring of all the books. The coloring in Brigade even made Liefeld's
>>artwork appealing to my eye.

>Liefeld didn't do any of the art in Brigade.  Check the credits again.

He did have a hand in the cover, but his only contribution to the story
is as co-plotter. *sigh* THey let this guy plot.

Axly

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)
Subject: Batman Encyclopedia?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 06:32:30 GMT

About ten years ago or so, someone published a Complete Batman Encyclopedia.
Our friend here who's been looking for a list of Batman's villains asked
me for the book's actual title and publisher.  However, I can't remember what
it is right now.  I'm sure some of you do.  It's a large format book, some
500-odd pages long, copiously illustrated.

Help, anyone?

-------
Scowling Jim Cowling
Creative Writing Department, University of Victoria (opinions disassociated)
"Do I contradict myself?  Very well then I contradict myself.   
(I am large, I contain multitudes)." -- The Waltster
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From: mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always)
Subject: Re: RAC CLOSING SEPT 30
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 15:06:13 GMT

In article <BsxJ48.7EB@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.144017.19513@ryn.mro4.dec.com> midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com writes:
>>
>>Like a previous noter, I am also relatively new to the net.  If rec.art.comics
>>is closing, then what is the alternative?  Or is it rec.art.comics.misc?
>
>Yes.
>
>>(and, if someone cares to reply by mail, what's the difference between .comics
>>and .comics.misc?)
>
>r.a.c.misc will still be here in two months. :) 
>
>Seriously, it's the same, except that posts about X-books shouldn't be in
>misc.  The net.powers have decided that it's a good idea to rename a group
>to *.misc after a split.  Personally, I think it just causes confusion and
>makes more work for admins.
>-- 
Actually, it was us. By the people for the people etc etc...

For those who don't know what the new groups are:

rec.arts.comics.misc - basically contains everything not included in the
		       other groups
rec.arts.comics.info - a moderated, no-discussion group containing announcements
		       news and reviews.
rec.arts.comics.xbooks - discussions about Marvel mutant books (including the
			 onex which don't start with 'X-').
rec.arts.comics.marketplace - buying and selling lists.
rec.arts.comics.strips - discussion of strips.

Hope this helps,

Mike


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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:38:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.140145.16334@ryn.mro4.dec.com> midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com writes:
>
>Did Rob Liefield beat up your collective sisters, or something?  Did he insult
>your grandma?  Does he make obscene phone calls to your local pastor?  Does he
>hang cute little bunny rabbits by their ears?  What?  What?

Worse.  He destroyed the New Mutants, what was once one of Marvel's most
interesting books, and replaced it with X-farce, a book completely devoid
of any plot or characterization.  
-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
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From: camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Darren Natale)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Atlas of the 1970's/Image
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <16AUG199204204261@mary.fordham.edu>, areid@mary.fordham.edu (Darin Reid) writes...
>The Image "Explosion" reminds me of the rise and fall of the Atlas comics of
>the 1970's.  They both are introducing/ced a whole bunch of characters at once
>in hopes of making their company float.  
> 
>Image and Atlas both suffer from trying to recreate that same happening in the
>span of a year or two.  I  personally feel that had image started off with two
>series and built on them for a while they would be a better company.  
> 
>any opinions?
> 

I have almost the entire line of Atlas comics stored away somewhere, so I 
haven't re-read them in over a decade. But my recollection of them is that
many were rather good, even though they lasted only four or less issues.
Given the fact that only four issues of any title were published, I think
they may have folded for reasons other than lack of sales, since it seems
unlikely a sales report for even the first issue would be prepared before
many issues (beyond 4) would have been already done.

Does net.anyone know the story of Atlas?

DN
From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Bwah-ha-ha-ha!
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:44:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Well, I haven't exprienced my ultimate comics fantasy yet (that's where
an aging mother is paying me to haul away the 30-year comics collection of
her recently departed - moved or died - son), but I just did the next best
thing - I spotted a number of silver age comics at a rummage sale and 
scooped them up at $1 apiece!

Sure, they were in only G or VG condition, but I got X-Mens 94 and 107, 
Fantastic Four 44, Strange Tales 120, and many more! Bwah-ha-ha-ha! 
-- 
John Switzer               | "Don't mess with me, man!
                           | I'm a higher mammal!"
74076.1250@Compuserve.com  | 
jrs@netcom.com             | 
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From: cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole)
Subject: Re: RAC CLOSING SEPT 30
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:29:09 GMT

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>>(and, if someone cares to reply by mail, what's the difference between .comics
>>and .comics.misc?)

>r.a.c.misc will still be here in two months. :) 

I just hope the powers that be decide to add the extra groups before RAC
shuts down for good.  We seem to be months behind in new group additions
at times (except for comp.* groups).

Just what are the other groups?  I'm not entirely sure what missing
here.  We have:

rec.arts.comics
rec.arts.comics.forsale (wanted or whatever)
rec.arts.comic-strips

Obviously I'm missing out on something.

Robert Cole
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From: ALWHC@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Wild C.A.T.S. = X-Men? NOT!<--YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : )
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:45:02 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Aug16.021340.768@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) says:
>
>     Marvel and DC do have one major advantage over Image beside money and
>distributors...an established continuity.  No matter how snarled it may get on
>individual titles, a new story can simply plug into the canonical background
>and have that wealth of detail available.  Image is trying to build that detail
>from scratch, and from the postings I'm seeing here, I'd say that they are
>trying to get too complex too fast.
    True. Image isn't going to uproot Marvel...it's like expecting a new
 soft drink to uproot Coke. Given time, Image will build up a following and
 maybe get in the #3 spot as far as comic book companies go. One question
 though : Where will the next Miller or Byrne come from? Would they first
  go to Marvel,DC or Image?
  If a universe hopes to last, it has to
>build its continuity up slowly and comprehensibly...start at chapter one, not
>chapter 8, or you'll end up in Chapter 11.  True, you can't tell much story in
>an introduction, but you can tell a better one if you aren't trying to set up
>all the book's background in that one chapter.  In a well written story,
>information comes out slowly and naturally, perhaps foreshadowed a few chapters
>in advance...not all dropped on the reader in one lump at the beginning.  Since
>Marvel and DC don't have to explain the whole world in any given new title,
>they can devote more space to writing a good story, and to giving information
>on the specific characters.
      As bad as the X-men may be, given a good writer and artist to revitalize
 the title, the sales will follow.(This is similar to a ball club that has
 gone through losing seasons, once they get talented players and start winning
 again, the attendance will rise.) A good collaboration could turn around a
 failing comic (i.e. O'neal/Miller with Daredevil) or give it a jump-start.
 If Marvel ever does get the next talented artist or writer, the X-men would
 return to form, the criticizing complaints would go away and everyone would
 be happy. Now, Marvel has that leeway due to its "established continuity"
 but the same can not be said for Images. Image either comes through with
 its stories, or they won't build up a following at all and fold in a year
 or two. So the pressure to deliver is on Image, since it can't afford any
 down periods in its comics. Image has to prove itself every issue that it
 churns out in order to compete with Marvel or D.C. If they do then these
 #1 issues that we see now will become valuable 10 years from now, if they
 don't, then they won't be more than $2 or $3 more than the current cover
 price (i.e. the Omega Men.)



 Al
From: quest@heroes.UUCP (Steve J. Quest)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Top Ten Cartoon Babes...
Keywords: Cartoon, Babes, Morons
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 00:03:32 CDT
Organization: The Inn Of Heroes.  Public Access UUCP BBS.

$user@localhost writes:

> What about Jem and the Holograms? Sure it was a 30 min. commercial but who
> cares? Add the Misfits too.

Does anyone else out there think that the women in Jem were just a BIT too
perfect for orphans?  I mean, the story writers made it so the Jerrica 
and her sister were orphans, and that every member of the band as well as 
all the girls of the orphanage were all in the same boat- the problem I 
have is that they all looked like models!  Wouldn't there be even the 
slightest chance that maybe even ONE of them were short and FAT?

        I must say that I could easily have virtual sex with Kimber tho.  
Not bad for an airhead (is there such a thing as an airhead REDhead?)

sq

(and if Jesselle [e.g. Danse] were to wrap her legs around me...)

        ...once you're a Jem girl you're never the same...

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From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,alt.sex,talk.bizarre,alt.tv.prisoner,alt.sex.bondage
Subject: Re: Death's Gender
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:54:56 GMT
Followup-To: alt.sex,alt.tv.prisoner
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Aug15.042542.29812@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> 
arsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu (Alan Smith) writes:

>Who wants to have sex with Death, anyway?

I can think about at least two women who were called
death and their characters turns me on:

1) "The Prisoner" chapter 15 ("The Girl Who Was Death").

2) "Come Lady Death" by Peter S. Beagle
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Subject: Re: For  Sale!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:28:47 GMT


Okay, since I have received a variety of messages explaining that
the original post was supposed to be funny, I thought it prudent
to explain that I *KNEW* the damn thing was funny.  Mine
was supposed tobe a joke too.  Obviously it needed about fifteen
smileys, but jeez guys, I mean I have posted three or four
times begging people not to flame for sale postins.  Why on
Earth would I seriously advocate flaming, Dave?!!!!

-- 
"Ipsa scientia potestas est."  
               -Roger Bacon

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Articles and files wanted!
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:12:53 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu




net.people, can you help me?

I am looking for any and all articles, documents, files and other information
you can scrounge up on the subject of working in the business of comics.  This
would include articles on such subject matter as:

+  Breaking into the comics industry
+  Negotiating contracts, meeting deadlines, and other advice for aspiring
   or working professionals.
+  Things like interviews with professionals where they discuss their trade
   and how they conduct their business; artists explaining some of their
   methods; etc.
+  Transcripts of various companies' submissions guidelines
+  Anything that would be of assistance to people looking to succeed in the
   comic book industry

I am looking for any standard ASCII files, or if the document you think would
be useful is not already in machine-readable format, perhaps you would be
willing to (shhhh!) type it in yourself?

One example where I know such information is available is on CompuServe.  A
man named Rob Davis posted a number of articles which originally appeared in
his Comics Career Newsletter.  I do not have access to CompuServe, so I
can't find these files myself, nor do I know where/if they are available on
Usenet.  I could send mail to him, but he couldn't send mail back to me 
through the Internet, so I doubt we'd "connect" in the end.  He can be 
contacted via his ID(71330,576), or on the comics/animation forum.  If
anyone can find these articles by Mr. Davis, that would be a great place to
start.

I am looking for any kind of files or information you can scrounge up on
this topic, however.  Please Email me at intruder@cats.ucsc.edu -- you can
either send me what you've got directly, or let me know where it's 
available via anonymous FTP.

Thanks in advance for your help!  I'm hoping the combined resourcefulness
of the net can gather some great information that I can share with other
people who, like myself, are hopefuls for the comics biz.

Isaac Truder (intruder@cats.ucsc.edu)
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 17:10:21 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum
 <jjonsson.77@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> <rdippold.714152764@cancun>

In article <rdippold.714152764@cancun>, rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron
Dippold) says:
>
>Rumor #3, from a friend who saw it:
>
>Liefield attempted to buy something at a booth with a "NO CHECKS"
>sign, and tried to pay for it with a check, of course.  "Sorry, we
>don't take checks."  Whereupon Leifield goes into his "Do you know who
>I AM?" routine.  "Look, I don't care WHO you are, no checks."  "I have
>more money that you'll ever DREAM of having!" etc. etc. etc.

And less actual drawing and writing talent than he'll ever dream of having,
etc. etc. etc. >:)

Why doesn't this outburst by Our Dear Friend Robbie suprise me?

One lousy artist gets to make a jeans commercial,gets his utterly vapid
comic book hyped to the stratosphere by his company,and suddenly he's a
S*T*A*R. It's enough to make one nostalgic for the days when funnybook
artists were far too obscure to get such publicity,isn't it?

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:38:53 -0400 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: For Sale!

>Flame Away for all I care.  Dave should know better!!!!!!!

yo Michael! Did you even *read* the stupid post?! It was a
drippingly-sarcastic remark poking fun at both the tendency to post for
sale messages to r.a.c. and the popularity of Wolverine.......it made
*me* laugh, anyway....

--Vernon.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Predator vs. Magnus Questions
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:32:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.232545.5486@vine.cp10.es.xerox.com> lbonham@Osbu_South.Xerox.COM writes:
>Greetings,
>
>Reading my most recent "Advance Comics" has generated some questions
>wrt/ the DarkHorse/Valiant collaboration on Predator vs. Magnus Robot
>Fighter. Namely...
>
>Any ideas on whether we can expect any other Valiant characters
>  to pop up in the DarkHorse universe?

	I don't know, it would be kind of hard considering that there
is no such thing as a Dark Horse universe :-)



-- 
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* Dara Naraghi                       * "Love isn't really blind...just      *
* dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu *  selectively nearsighted"--The Hulk  *
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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: The New Thor
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:30:03 GMT

In article <BsvL5t.64w@acsu.buffalo.edu> camdna@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Darren Natale) writes:
>>  With the real Thor gone Heimdell transferred the power of Thor to Eric
>>to serve as earth's protector. The whereabouts of the True Thor is unknown,
>>but Balder and Sif are on a quest to find it. In the meantime, we are left
>>with a hero with a 90's Attitude (tm),spouting such epitets as "Eat Uru",
>>and "Its Hammer time!". Yeah, it sucks. The writers seem none to eager
>>to return the Real Thor any time soon, and the a recent story had Eric
>>MaThorson going to Asgard accompanied by some policemen to fight Ulik
>>and that dude made out of uru. The police wanted to arrest Ulik(!).
>>When you have cops taking on and besting one of the most powerful
>>denisons of the Asgard realm, it just sorta diminishes the whole thing.
>>I can remember when mortals weren't even allowed in Asgard.
>>Yeah, it sucks.
>
>I most certainly AGREE!!
>
>Thor as a leading character in a comic was always unique because he is a god,
>with already a full history (mythology) before Stan and Jack ever laid hands
>on him. This new Thor (may he disappear soon) is no different from any other
>character floating around. In fact, he's so disgustingly 90's, I expect him
>to start .... no I better not say that over the net.
>
>The thing that I don't understand is the high praise received in the letters
>page for ErikThor...
>
>Fanboys all, I guess.
>
>DN



I highly suspect they print the letters theywant to print which supports
their Current Direction (tm). On the occasion they print a letter condemning
Eric as Thor, they usually come back with some terse statement such as
"Stick around for the ride". One reader complained that a mortal shouldn't
be given the power of Thor, and the editor responded "Now, you wouldn't
be jealous of Eric Masterson would you?". Its like, yeah, guy, I was
*so* hoping they would give Mjolnir to me! Hell, I didn't even like it when
Cap was able to lift the hammer.
Yeah, it sucks.


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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Youngblood #2
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:27:29 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <12580@operator> oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite) writes:
>>>After reading Youngblood #2 there is no doubt in my
>>>mind that Rob Liefeld is the greatest comic book
>>>writer ever!
>>>					Trevor
>>
>>You're a bit late; someone's already done the "Liefield is a God" flamebait 
>>post. And he misspelled more words than you did. 
>
>Yeah, and if you'd have paid attention you would have recognized that it
>was this Trevor character who started THAT waste of bandwidth! 
>
>I think he's being **VERY** sarcastic...whou could seriously say that?

You mean besides Rob?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc
From: midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com (Dr. Midnight)
Subject: Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum
Reply-To: midnight@mdnite.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:01:45 GMT



Okay, gents/ladies, I give up.


I don't get it.

Did Rob Liefield beat up your collective sisters, or something?  Did he insult
your grandma?  Does he make obscene phone calls to your local pastor?  Does he
hang cute little bunny rabbits by their ears?  What?  What?

I'm fairly baffled by the constant (CONSTANT) barrage of
insults/commentary/etc. thrown this man's way.  It seems like its a requirement
in these parts to utterly bash Liefield to death.  Do you all know him?  Did
he, like, leave you all stranded in Tijuana without your driver's licenses so
you couldn't get back across the border?  :)  What?

(Before anyone rises up in fury and label me fanboy:  a) I personally don't
care for his art and b) I don't read his books.  However, I can forgive him for
not being my favorite/artist writer.  What the hell.  I don't know him.  He
doesn't know me.  It's nothing personal.)

::scratching head::  

Jest puzzled.  I'll entertain adult discussion (read: if you
rant/rave/drool/name call at me, it's not worth my while to read your letter)
by email, so as not to clutter up this newsgroup.  Since I guess I'm the only
one who doesn't hate this guy....   :)

Cheers,

--
Midnight
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:07:52 -0400 
From: James William Stepanek <js43+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: What If #42-why did they bother?

I really think Marvel is running out of good What If? ideas. I mean
really this issue was quite pointless. It consisted of a bunch of
self-pitying whiney crap, followed by a pathetic don't worry be happy
ending. Also it lacked the tradition What If explaination of what really
happened. This issue just glossed over that. I think it's about time to
quit buying this worthless rag. As if TimeQuakes wasn't enough of a
reason.
James Stepanek
esp
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