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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 15:36:56 -0400
From:         gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 275

In this issue:
                         Buchanan at Notre Dame
                          Death of Sam Kinison
                Illinois AIDS law ruled unconstitutional
                            Disabled people
                       Vermont's gay rights bill
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 259
                             2 quick things
            APSA Committee on Status of Us in the Profession
               Looking for contact at SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
                   Brown on DP's, question on Clinton
                    GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 267
                        John Morrison's article
                          in re John Morrison
                         Looking for citations.

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 14:22:50 GMT
From: Mike.W.Miller.40@nd.edu
Subject: Buchanan at Notre Dame

Yeah, some schools get all the luck...  We've got Bush coming up as graduation
speaker, we just had the charming Donald Wildmon, and earlier in the year the
lovely Father Arthur Harvey, founder of the gay Catholic chastity support
group Courage, spoke at Notre Dame.  Short of Jesse Helms and William Danne-
meyer, I'm not sure there are many other topnotch hatemongerers left!

Oh, but there is Pat Buchanan, and he'll be speaking at Notre Dame on 21 April.
Our local arch-conservative, the rabid pro-lifer Charles Rice of the Law
School, has arranged for Buchanan to make a "major campaign speech" on campus.

And so, in what's becoming a familiar call, if you have any citations of the
lunacies spouted by Mr. Buchanan, please send electronic copies to me at
mike.w.miller@nd.edu or by snail mail to: Mike W. Miller, Computing Center,
Notre Dame, IN  46556.

This one should be easier to find stuff for, given his column and all, but
those of you who are information packrats (Bryan?  Ron? :-) please forward
whatever you've got.

Thanks folks, and peace,
Mike!

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From: glp5941@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Greg Pratt)
Subject: Re: Death of Sam Kinison
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 10:53:48 EDT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY  [USA]

> Kinison's death raises the dilemma of what to feel.  You have to have sym-
> pathy for those who were close to him, regardless of the fact that he was
> slime.  But it's certainly nice to have one less loud hatemonger in the
> world.

I did not like Mr. Kinison's brandof comedy at all.  But I would not say that
I am glad that _anyone_ is dead.  Admittedly, however, I have very little in
the way of feelings on this matter.

I learned a while back that violence begets violence, and embraces itself.
There are very few people whom I would wish dead.

--
Greg (Gregory Loren) Pratt          Rochester Institute of Technology
Snail:  CPU 1519   25 Andrews Memorial Drive   Rochester, NY 14623-5689   USA
glp5941@ultb.isc.rit.edu | GLP5941@ritvax.isc.rit.edu | GLP5941@RITVAX.BITNET

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Subject: Illinois AIDS law ruled unconstitutional
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 11:10:43 -0400
From: buckmr@rpi.edu

"Copyright 1992 by UPI.
Reposted with permission from the ClariNet Electronic Newspaper newsgroup
clari.group.gays.  For more info on ClariNet, write to info@clarinet.com or
phone 1-800-USE-NETS."


	BELLEVILLE, Ill. (UPI) - A judge in St. Clair County Circuit Court
has declared unconstitutional the Illinois law making it a felony to
knowingly trasmit the AIDS virus.
	Circuit Judge James Donovan made his ruling Thursday in dismissing
charges against Carethea Russell, 18, Belleville, who was charged under
the law with four counts of attempting to transmit the virus.
	Russell was charged after a St. Louis man told authorities she had
sex with him last October without telling him she carried the AIDS
virus.
	In a pretrial motion filed this week, public defender Clyde Kuehn
argued on behalf of Russell that the 1989 state law was too vague and
too broad. He said the law could make criminals of medical professionals
who may transmit the virus and that the state's definition of
``trasmitting'' might include exposure through tears, sweat, sneezing or
urinating.
	Kuehn argued that if the law was intended to bar people from
spreading the disease through sexual contact, it should say so
specifically.
	In his written order, Donovan agreed the law was vague, especially
the provision that prohibited ``intimate contact'' by those who knew
they had the AIDS virus.
	``The court finds that the meaning of intimate contact with another
as defined by the statute is overbroad, does not give adequate notice
and criminalizes theoretical or hypothetical modes of HIV transmission,''
the judge wrote in his order.
	``The medical community has discounted certain modes of transmission
referred to by the defendant, but the medical community cannot exclude
them as possible modes of transmission.
	``The proscribed activities currently recognized by the medical
community that result in transmission should be specifically enumerated
in the statute,'' Donovan wrote.
	Prosecutors had argued the law clearly was aimed at prohibiting the
spread of the virus through sexual intercourse and that criminal charges
never would be pressed for the less likely modes of transmission.
	St. Clair County State's Attorney Robert Haida said he would appeal
Donovan's decision. Haida said he was concerned about the possibility
Russell would have unprotected sex with someone else without telling
them about her condition.
	In his order, Donovan gave the state 21 days in which to file an
appeal. He also said it could file other charges against Russell.
	The judge lowered Russell's bail from $25,000 to $20,000. However,
Kuehn said Russell has been unable to get released on bail because she
is subject to a hold order for a parole violation.
---
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
According to the January 5, 1992 _New York Times_ 0.1% of all abortions in the
United States occur in the third trimester.

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 11:45 EST
Subject: Disabled people
From: An Anonymous Sender

I have been following the debate which has been going on the Net with some
interest, regarding gay men being sensitive. My answer to that is NO WAY!
I have found that gay men are the most insensitive, especially when it comes
to diversity. I am hanicapped and I have found the same thing as the other
anonymous sender-that gay men look upon me as a kind of child, to be treated
and pampered as if I was five years old. People base so much on looks that
they fail sometimes to get below the surface. For instance, many of the men
I meet just assume that I have no knowledge of what sex is about. They
also assume that I can't do anything for myself. But I have dealt with alot,
probably more than any of them. When I was in high school I was raped by a whole
group of boys in my class. This happened after P.E. one day. I had to go and sit
right next to one of the people who raped me five minutes later, and act as if
nothing had happened. And I couldn't tell anyone at all. No one would have
believed me if I said that this had happened due in large part to the fact that
I was fifteen at the time and the boys who did it were sons of well-respected
members of my community. Throw in also the fact that I'm black and you have a
real complicated mess. When my parents found out I was gay they completely
disowned me, kicking me out of house, and out of their lives. And where was
the gay male community through all of this? They were more worried about
what I looked than trying to help me- the human being. I found that help in
the lesbian community and lesbians have always been the ones to treat me with th
   e
most respect- as a WHOLE human being. But at the same time, I have found that
women in general forget that men are raped as well and go through some of the
same emotions as women who are raped. I will say that the number of men who get
raped is FAR fewer than the number of men, but that didn't make the pain I had
to deal with any easier, mainly I think because men are less forthcoming about
"real" sexual issues. Anyway, I just wanted to throw in my two cents worth.
Thanks for reading it.

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 13:29 EST
From: John Kellermeier <KELLERJH@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu>
Subject: Vermont's gay rights bill
X-Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA

The latest news on Vermont's lesbigay rights bill:  The bill has passed the
Senate and is now in the House.  (To David in Gettysburg: Note this is
opposite of what I said before.)  It has also made it out of committee.
Last Friday there was a priliminary vote.  The vote was something like 71
in favor to 55 against.  I'm not sure of the exact numbers but I do know
that only four or five more votes are needed to pass.  The final vote
should come on Monday.  The good news is that there were 20 legislators who
did not vote on Friday to get those last four or five votes from.  The bad
news is that those 20 legislators are all (or nearly all) Republicans who
are tending to vote against the bill.  At the same time Barbara Snelling (
the widow of the recently deceased Republican Governor Snelling) is
campaigning *for* the bill.

According to a Vermont Public Radio report last Thursday, one of the
opponents of the bill said that if it passes "Thousands of unsuspecting
Vermonters will be seduced by sodomy."  That's an image that kind of
boggles the mind.

John

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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 13:32 EST
From: "John F. Trubina, ext. 5118" <TRUBINA@bms.com>
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 259

Please remove my name from future mailings

Thanks,
john trubina

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From: awerling@NMSU.Edu
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 12:12:25 MDT
Subject: 2 quick things

- Eileen Gonthier requested books for a friend of a friend--at the
  risk of the whole net recommending it, make sure your friend
  tells this friend to read THE BEST LITTLE BOY IN THE WORLD by
  John Reid.  It's a beautifully told autobiography about coming
  to accept one's sexuality.
--Alan Gentry was talking about his protest table--if your
  university has a EEOC statement that includes sexual orientation,
  you might consider photocopying several copies of that statement
  with "sexual orientation" highlighted, and passing them out to
  passers-by.

Andrew Werling   awerling@nmsu.edu

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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 92 14:26:52 EST
From: Ken Sherrill <KSSHC%CUNYVM.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject:      APSA Committee on Status of Us in the Profession

Good news:

The Council of the American Political Science Association voted unanimously
yesterday to establish a Committee on the Status of Lesbians and Gay Men in the
Profession. I have been asked by APSA President-elect Lucius Barker to suggest
nominees for the 5-person committee. If you have names or agenda items to sug-
gest, contact me.

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Subject: Looking for contact at SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 15:04:31 -0400
From: buckmr@rpi.edu


I'm looking for the phone number of the Student gay/lesbian/bisexual group at
Syracuse University. If anyone knows, could they please send it to me? thanks!

- -
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"I don't understand how there can be regulated bigotry." -Mariah Carey

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Brown on DP's, question on Clinton
Distribution: local
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:13:00 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

Christopher.Young@ISL1.RI.CMU.EDU writes:

>Brown is still light years ahead of Clinton on our issues.
Brown is light years ahead of most of the people on Planet Earth! :-)
[couldn't resist]

>By the way,k I think Ron said Clinton is pro- choice. If that's the case,
>why'd he sign anti- choice legislation?

*sigh* Will it ever end? Just because you are pro-choice doesn't mean that you
think that parents shouldn't have some say in whether their daughter has an
abortion. Clinton signed a parental consent law. Brown came back from India
saying ``I don't understand how women call thousands of babies every year.''
and spoutnig a generic Catholic line about life beginning at Conception. The
man doesn't seem to have ANY beliefs which he sticks to for long!


-
RON BUCKMIRE
The Anna Quindlen Fan Club
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 267
Distribution: local
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:20:36 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

flg <flg@lan.asc.upenn.edu> writes:

>          RE: Shilts' books
>          events/individuals they cover. Although in general it is
>          true that journalistic objectivity is a myth we (as
>          marginalized members of society) should ALWAYS be suspicious
>          of, it is sometimes more destructive than at other times. To
>          choose one example (and it's not a random choice,
>          obviously), Shilts' book on AIDS introduced and broadcast
>          the spectre of "patient Zero" as the lone Johnny Appleseed
>          of HIV, despite the fact that by the time the book was
>          published the scientific and medical facts clearly
>          disconfirmed this story. The book was written as the
>          mini-series it may yet become, and Shilts' political agenda
>          and role (say, in the fight over the SF Bathhouses) hidden
>          behind the veil of journalistic objectivity.

Well, yes I realise that he was sort of ``making it up as he went along''
and one shouldn't treat it as an objective look at the AIDS crisis, but it
definitely is informative, exciting reading.  I don't think he actually uses
any misstatements of fact [lies] in the book, he just plays up some material
[like the Patient Zero theory about Gaetan Dugas(sp?)] and downplays others.
Similarly in the Mayor Of Castro Street.

-
RON BUCKMIRE
The Anna Quindlen Fan Club
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: John Morrison's article
Distribution: local
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:28:14 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

Eromenos <RMILLER@carleton.edu> writes:

>    I think the article by John Morrison in "Christopher Street" #176 is
>    not only fair and well documented, but a breath of fresh air in an
>    otherwise PC smog of misandry. Feminism has degenerated into a form of
>    right-wing censorship and deceitful sexism, something that courageous
>    writers like John Morrison and Camille Paglia have had the courage not
>    only to oppose, but to document. For all the strength of his anger
>    towards feminism, Morrison is very careful to make distinctions in his
>    criticisms.

Umm, excuse me??? Do you KNOW what Feminism is? It is defined as ``the cult,
theory or practice of those who advocate suvh legal and social changes as will
establish political, economic and social equality of the sexes''. Why would
people be aginst equality for the sexes? I really can not UNDERSTAND
 antifeminists. I want to shake them and say "Girlfriend, get a GRIP! *snap*
 *snap* *snap*"

>    Morrison's discussion of the participation of women in the Shanti
>    Project is not the real point. It is about the sexism that is
>    feminism. "Though there are exceptions to prove the rule, the overall
>    feminist lesbian response to the AIDS crisis has been very similar to
>    that of the Catholic Church. The response has been one of offering
>    enough visible 'help' to paint a picture of compassion, while
>    simultaneously following the same old hostile agenda and continuing to
>    promulgate the same old prejudiced ideas about the group you are
>    'helping'."
Equating Feminism with the Catholic Church? One of the most evil institution in
this country [besides the Republican Party and the Heritage foundation] (in my
humble opinion) with a CIVIL RIGHTS movement? Umm, please read Susan Faludi's
"Backlash" and then tell me that feminism is sexism! Sheesh.

> * rmiller@carleton.edu    *                                                 *
> * 507.645.8524  voice     *                        - Ethan Mordden          *
> * 507.663.4204  fax       *                                                 *
> *****************************************************************************

I'm not sure if I can ever take anything you write seriously again. What
balderdash!
--
RON BUCKMIRE
The Anna Quindlen Fan Club
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: in re John Morrison
Distribution: local
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:33:39 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

Jessea N. R. Greenman <jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU> writes:

>I disagree with the ideas he supposedly presented in CS according to the
>synopsis here (lesbians' role in Shanti) based on my personal experience
>with both Shanti Project people and lesbians' role in AIDS issues in
>San Francisco Bay Area, it seems implausible that he was able to
>advance much credible documentation for this argument, since there isn't any.

Well, no, I don't know about THAT, Jessea. As far as I could tell,he DID have
documentation in the CS article that showed by Shanti's own records that 12% of
the volunteers were lesbian.

What I failed to understand is how he could extrapolate from Shanti in SF to
every AIDS service organisation in the world. Does anyonehave the records for
GMHC in Manhattan?

-
RON BUCKMIRE
The Anna Quindlen Fan Club
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910

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Newsgroups: rpi.mail.gaynet
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Looking for citations.
Distribution: local
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:36:31 GMT
Apparently-To: rpi-mail-gaynet

cmcl2!panix.com!roy@uunet.UU.NET (Roy Radow) writes:

>In digest <9204092032.AA16913@Toto.MIT.EDU> gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU writes:

>Try contacting:

>BLK, Box 83912, Los Angeles, CA 90083-0912
>(213) 410 0808


>NAT'L ASSOC OF BLACK & WHITE MEN TOGETHER
>584 Castro St # 140, S.F., CA 94114
>(415) 431 1976

>Pyramid Periodical: Journal for Gay People of Color
>Box 1111, Canal St. Station, NY 10013.
>(212) 421 3560

>National Latino/a Lesbian & Gay Association
>Box 44483, Washington, DC, 20026
>(202) 544 0092

>Other Countries, Box 3142, Church St Station, NY 10008-3142
>(212) 505 0506

>Yours in Liberation,

>Roy














>-
>Roy Radow		roy@panix.com         ...rutgers!cmcl2!panix!roy
>North American Man/Boy Love Association -For a packet containing a sample
>Bulletin, publications list and membership information send $1.00 postage
>to: NAMBLA Info,  Dept.RR,  PO Box 174,  Midtown Station,  NYC NY  10018.

Thank you for posting information on the People of Color contacts. I will
include this file into the QRD on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu in /pub/QRD/qrd/info/
CONTACTS/black-info
--
RON BUCKMIRE
The Anna Quindlen Fan Club
11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910

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