HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med,misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hepatitis vaccine
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:42:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug15.054257.12198
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Aug14.222808.13806@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>>>He has never had a child that lives a healthy CLEAN life style come
>>>down with hepatitis, so therefore feels that until further testing
>>>is performed that it is not worth the risk.  Just thought an opposing
>>>opinion might be useful.
>> On the other hand, a line like
>> 	He has never had a child that lives a healthy CLEAN
>> 	life style come down with hepatitis
>> makes you think of biker babies, first graders who are IV
>> drug users and rampantly promiscuous pre-pubescents in
>> middle school, not to mention a mom who thinks it's OK
>> if such "bad seeds" get sick and die.  I mean, really,
>> Nannette: the sentiment is revolting enough without
>> your capitalizing CLEAN.
>Oh for heaven's sake, in the interest of being politically correct, Steve, you
>are being ridiculous!  
>Please don't jump on someone who frankly is stating a truth, though it may not
>be a PC palatable one!

You can take your smarmy tossing of the phrase "politically correct"
and "PC" and shove it, dear.  Now listen up.  The word "lifestyle"
is a political codeword of the far right, and is going to be misinter-
preted as that, even if it's not used as such.  Talking about an infant's
"CLEAN lifestyle" is just barely short of ludicrous.  If you or Nannette
would like to be understood, let me suggest a rephrasing along these lines:

	He has never had a child who was raised in conditions with
	adequate sanitation and hygiene come down with hepatitis...

There.  Now we're all happy.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: edema
From: Jacqueline.Cole@f8.n134.z1.fidonet.org (Jacqueline Cole)
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:40:31 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:134/8 - GENERATIONS BBS, Calgary Alta

I saw a message on edema following surgery during the week of August 9 to 14. 
It was inadvertantly deleted before I read it.  Would the person posting mind 
repeating the message as it has scrolled off my local BBS. Thanks in advance.
 


 

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Internet: Jacqueline.Cole@f8.n134.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: 6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: what causes leg cramps ?
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 18:17:06 GMT

Does anybody know what causes leg (calf & foot) cramps ?  For the
past 5-6 nights I've been woken up by leg cramps.  The only thing
that stops them is to stand up.  I recently started on Weight Watchers
(trying level 2)... Could the diet have something to do with it ?
Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Deb
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: ak386@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rhoda Bourne)
Subject: Re: what causes leg cramps ?
Reply-To: ak386@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rhoda Bourne)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:22:20 GMT


In a previous article, larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) says:

>In <92226.40447.6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6310550@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>
>>Does anybody know what causes leg (calf & foot) cramps ?  For the
>>past 5-6 nights I've been woken up by leg cramps.  The only thing
>>that stops them is to stand up.  I recently started on Weight Watchers
>>(trying level 2)... Could the diet have something to do with it ?
>>Any insights will be greatly appreciated.
>>Thanks,
>>Deb
>
>   Deb,
>     As a dancer I frequently am subject to cramps but I increase
>     my intake of calcium and vitamin C.  It really does help.
>>      ld
>
>Deb, I agree with the above answer, but I found I had to also increase
my potassium intake to help the leg cramps.  With extra calcium, 500 mgs.
of Vitamin C and eating foods high in potssium, I do not get the leg
cramps now.
From: km@speedy.cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh Medical Debator wanted
Date: 12 Aug 92 11:47:04 GMT
Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)
Distribution: pa
Organization: Computer Science Dept., University of Pittsburgh

In article <TSF.92Aug11161237@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU- tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman) writes:
-I'm trying to find an opponent for Nancy Lord, the Libertarian Vice
-Presidential candidate, in a debate about health care.  The debate
-will be on August 28th at the University of Pittsburgh at 8 pm.  The
-opponent would have to be able to argue FOR any of the following
-things (opponent gets to pick the issue, advance notice necessary):

It doesn't sound like your debate is going to be very meaningful if
you just want to go out and look for someone to expouse opposite
views on things so your candidate can look good.

From my experience, Libertarians don't listen to anyone else anyway,
so why have a debate?


 -km
Newsgroups: sci.med,misc.fitness
From: mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati)
Subject: Amino acid diet, is it safe?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:00:57 GMT
Followup-To: sci.med
Keywords: amino diet

Hi,

After posting this message the first time (I it safe?), I realized the
subject line gave no clue as to the content - so I'm reposting
in the hopes of getting some response.

I want to know what the people on the net think of this diet.
I got it out of a book called "The Ultrafit Diet" by Joe Davis
M.D.  He has several diets in this book one of them is for quick weight
loss - you know like 5 or 10 lbs. so you can fit through the doors
at McDonalds - anyway the diet consists of eating six meals a day
and with each mean taking 7 grams of aminos acids - basically 
42 grams of predigested protein.  The "meals" consist of like a
piece of fruit or some such which works out to around 700cals.
a day.  His claim is that you won't feel hungry or lose muscle
mass - oh you have to drink at least 64oz. of water a day (I was
drinking close to a gallon) and
take a multi vit and cycle off on his maintenance diet every 4
weeks.  Oh, and no oil or sugar except what was in the fruit.

Well I started this diet and the first day I decided to double
my intake (cause I WAS hungry) but stay with the diet - so was taking in around
1200 to 1400 wasn't really counting and taking 42 grams of 
predigested protein tablets a day.  I lost about 5 lbs. [I'm 170] (I
was also exercising but nothing heavy) and the
six meal thing is great cause I get to eat every 3 hours.  

My question - is this hard on my kidneys? all those tablets!  

I mean this is basically
a high protein diet but since the amino acids are predigested
I thought that there would be no problem for the short time (maybe
another week or two) that
I'd be on this diet.  To be on the safe side I stopped after a week
and thought I get some opinions from the net and maybe see a Doctor.
I liked the diet and felt good but don't want to screw
myself up if there is real
danger to my health.  

I KNOW that 2lbs. a week is the max
recommended and that if I gain it back my muscle to fat ratio will
be screwed up but that`s the subject of another post.  Oh, do you
think that the protein will really help maintain muscle mass on
this low calorie diet?  any test I could take to evaluate the 
present health of my kidneys?

So, any advice, comments, warnings? 
Any info would be very helpful - post or email is fine.

Thanks - sorry for talking so long.

Michael
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: MEDLINE help
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:20:35 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1690017@nmdoc1.sr.hp.com>, jeffs@nmdoc1.sr.hp.com (Jeff Silva) writes:
> Does anyone out there have information on how to access MEDLINE?
> Thanks in advance.
>
First, you'll need to get an account on MEDLARS. Call the MEDLARS Management
Section Service Desk: 800-638-8480. Once you fill out the Online Billing
Agreement with the NTIS, you get a userid and password from MEDLARS.

Unless you're quite expert with MESH terms and MEDLINE searching, you should
order a copy of GRATEFUL MED 6.0. You can then formulate your search offline
and then telnet to   medlars.nlm.nih.gov

If you haven't got telnet, you can access MEDLINE via BITNIS and get your
MEDLINE searches returned via email. You can do searches in command format or
by using Grateful Med 6.9 and a program called smed.

Josh

Dr. Josh Backon
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
From: jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: R: Hepatitis Vaccine
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:00:23 GMT
    <1992Aug15.185752.10892@ms.uky.edu> <1992Aug17.211955.3175@pixel.kodak.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kentucky Cancer Registry, Univ. of Ky

In article <1992Aug17.211955.3175@pixel.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug15.185752.10892@ms.uky.edu> jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug15.173232.25911@pixel.kodak.com> young@serum.kodak.com writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug15.161704.23916@ms.uky.edu> jrt@omega.kcr.uky.edu (J. Randall Thompson) writes:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually, there IS a Hepatitis A Vaccine, it just hasn't been approved by
>>>>the FDA. It will be distributed by Merck-Sharp-Dohme.
>>>
>>>   Well, live and learn.  On the other hand, if I can't get it [yet], then
>>>   there effectively IS none, right?  :-)
>>>
>>
>>Maybe you've forgotten about the other 4 billion people in the world who
>>get their medical care someplace other than the US... :-)
>
>	Is the HAV vaccine available to those people?
>
>-Rich Young

IMHO this thread has contained little substance and has been a waste
of bandwidth. I am partially responsible for this; I should have
given a reference with my first post. Hep A Vaccine is at least
available in the UK, a reference (for those interested) is an article
in BMJ 1992 May 16 304(6837) 1272-6, where the authors try to
outline criteria for its use.

Rich, just admit that you didn't know that there was a Hep A vaccine
and let's take any further 'rebuttals' to E-mail to save bandwidth.

-- 
[]  J. Randall Thompson                                      jrt@kcr.uky.edu []
[]  University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky                              []
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Affects of increased blood flow to the brain
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:07:08 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <9805@fs3.cam.nist.gov> crosson@cam.nist.gov (Robert Crosson) writes:
>I was just thinking the other day that we know what decreased
>blood flow to the brain causes.  Is there any research looking into
>the affects of greater (maybe only a little) blood flow to the
>brain?  Like increased brain function?  Increased intelligence?

Headaches.  Sorry about that.

-- 
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon." 
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: des@helix.nih.gov (David E. Scheim)
Subject: Re: HairDye Cancer link??
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:23:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.214202.2678@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>In article <3718@fcs280s.ncifcrf.gov> pnh@fcsparc6.ncifcrf.gov (Paul N Hengen) writes:
>>Could you please tell me who did this study and where it was
>>published? Also, could you give me complete information regarding
>>the health newsletter you refer to? Thank You.
>
>Dr. Hengen,
>
>My health newsletter is "Mirkin Report," published by Dr. Gabe Mirkin
>of Wheaton, Maryland. Page 8 of the August 1992 issue contains the
>comments I posted to sci.med. Here they are in more detail:
>
>"Dyeing your hair does not cause cancer. A study from the National
>Cancer Institute concluding that hair dyeing increases the risk
>of lymphoma by 50% is nonsense. The researchers asked lymphoma
>patients if they used hair dyes. People suffering from a disease
>are so anxious to blame something that they will report an
>increased association with anything."
>
>The cited reference footnoted in my newsletter is:
>     American Journal of Public Health, July 1992
>
>Perhaps that is where the original study was published.
>
>Gabe Mirkin is both a medical doctor and a radio talk-show host. He
>has also been ridiculing this study throughout recent weeks on his
>radio talk show.
>

I suggest that you read the article in question in the American Journal of
Public Health, July 1992 Vol. 82, pp. 990-996.  This reports a
retrosepctive case-control study in which 455 lymphoma patients and 1432
controls were interviewed.  72 multiple myleoma cases and 56 chronic
lymphocytic leukemia cases were also interviewed.  The investigators
found, among other things,
that the use of permanent hair coloring products had a high
correlation with Hodgkins and non-Hodgkins lymphomas; that the use of semi-
or non-permanent hair coloring products had a much weaker correlation; and
that the use of any hair coloring products had no correlation with chronic
lymphocytic leukemia.

Mirkin's logic implies that lymphoma patient's interviewed in the study
selectively reported using permanent hair colorings as something to
blame their condition upon, but that leukemia patients didn't feel the need
to blame their condition on any hair colorings.  That sounds pretty
ridiculous to me.

Nobody claims that retrospective studies are definitive, but they are
usually pretty good indications of cause-and-effect relationships and
valuable indicators of the need for follow-up work.  The NCI is to be
commended for carrying on this type of work on environmental causes of
cancer.  During prior decades, it had been remiss at investigating such
environmental effects and the issue of prevention in general, and studies
such as this derive in part from valid public direction to consider such
issues.   -- David Scheim, Ph.D.
		 
From: kingsley@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kingsley Morse)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:32:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Magnetic Therapy
Organization: HP Western Response Center
Newsgroups: sci.med

In sci.med, rrempel@selkirk.sfu.ca (Rodney Dwight Rempel) writes:

> Is there any scientific, controlled, studies showing effect - NO

I've seen a controlled study of magnetized beds at two hospitals in Japan. 
Subjects on magnetized matresses recovered from back pain faster than
subjects on normal matresses. I don't have a citation for the study. :-(

> Is there a currently accepted theory that supports it - NO

There are several competing theories though: increased blood flow, quantum
interactions, magnetic resonance (w/ electric field), vibration of electron
orbits shifted off their axis, hall effect...


Newsgroups: sci.med
From: chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete)
Subject: What are the symptoms of Epstien-Barre virus?
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: world 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:04:08 GMT
Keywords: Epstien-Barre

Just what the headline says.  What are the symptoms of Epstien-Barre?  Are
there any books I can read? 
-- 
                          _   /|
Chris DelPrete Delaney    \'o.O'
chris@unislc              =(___)=
                             U
From: vrs0@bunny.gte.com (V. Stern)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Diabetic coma
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:21:28 GMT
Organization: GTEL

In article <1992Aug12.000812.5891@javelin.sim.es.com> 
bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer) writes:
> Perhaps you could build yourself a little "include" file on your
> computer that would contain all these terms & their relationship, then
> include it with your diabetes posts.  That wouldn't take much more
> energy than unnecessarily flaming someone disagreeing with your use of
> "juvenile" & "adult", terms with which I am completely unfamiliar.  I
> do know something about the distinction between Type I & Type II
> diabetes, however.
> 
> Stop kneejerking & communicate more carefully.

Thank you, Bob, for trying to defend me.  As regards my original post, I 
did not mean any offense by my comments and I certainly did not want to 
start a flame war.  You may note that I used the words "more correct", not 
"only correct" or anything to say that juvenile and adult-onset are 
necessarily "incorrect" terms.  I am a lay person who has done alot of 
reading on diabetes because my husband has it.  My husband and I know alot 
more about diabetes than many doctors, and this is because all doctors 
can't know everything about everything.  It has been my personal 
experience over the past eight years that alot of people are very confused 
with the terms juvenile and adult onset.  Some can't understand that my 
husband has "juvenile onset" because he was diagnosed at age 27. 
(Admittedly, some of these people aren't that bright :).) All of the 
literature I have read, which has been prepared for lay people, use the 
terms Type I and Type II.  I have found these terms to generally be better 
understood by people I have dealt with.

I have been lurking in this newsgroup for a long time.  I have generally 
found Ken's and Gordon's posts to be very knowledgable and informative and 
have learned alot from them.  I was surprised at the nasty reaction my 
post received from Ken and Gordon's reaction to Bob's post.  I must have 
unintentionally hit someone's hot button.  I stand by my original post, 
but I don't want this to turn into a big deal, so I am sorry if I offended.

Vanessa R. Stern
vrs0@bunny.gte.com
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: References on hypoglycemia
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:20:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: omen.1992Aug12.212045.12071
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest

In article <1992Aug10.153200.1@v9.vitro.com> terr05@v9.vitro.com writes:
>I need references and information on hypoglycemia. I find tons of info on
>diabetes but not much on hypoglycemia. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Dr Atkins' 1992 diet book has some basic material on hypoglycemia with a
reasonably fat bibliography one can follow up on.

Dr. Atkins advertises books and vitamins on his nationally syndicated
radio talk show (1-800-2-ATKINS, 1-800-6-ATKINS).

Atkins is controversial, but he does put the issues on the table.

-- 
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX          ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf 
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: des@helix.nih.gov (David E. Scheim)
Subject: Re: On pre-scientific traditions of medicine (was: Use of term allopath)
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: sci
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:25:48 GMT

It is comforting to us scientists to think that all standard medical
treatments are those that either show significance in double-blind
randomized studies or exceed historical results with high statistical
significance, while "alternative" treatments are those that don't pass
muster by such standards.

I recommend the book "The Cancer Industry" by Ralph Moss for some
counterexamples to this ideal.  Both radiation and chemotherapy were
initially looked upon as quack remedies for cancer, with surgery the only
accepted treatment.  He also points out that Fleming's published discovery
of penicillin (1928) was not put into clinical practice until 12 years
later, and then with lots of concern by drug companies on how to make money
from an intrinsically unpatentable substance.  (Indeed, what could be more
ridiculous than the thought that something made from bread mold could cure
disease?)

Various forms of therapy involving promoting an immune response and dietary
factors, components of which today are accepted as valid, were dismissed as
close to quackery for years even though careful patient records and trials
demonstrated success in some cases.  Rous's claim that a germ so small it
passed through any filter could cause cancer was dismissed as fantasy --
his discovery of the Rous Sarcoma is now hailed as a breakthrough.

Acceptance of what is "standard" and "quackery" can at its worst resemble
what the Hubel-Wiesel experiments showed of pattern recognition in vision.
Cats brought up seeing horizontal lines only can jump on tables but not
maneuver around table legs -- vice versa for cats exposed as infants only
to vertical lines.  In forming opinions about what is or is not valid,
sometimes certain groups tend to immediately throw out observations that
don't fit the mold, and then find that 100% of data that do fit the mold
support the opinion they believe.

In cancer research, to some degree, the Watson molecular biology model of
carcinogenisis v. the Warburg respiration/membrane dynamic model has
determined what has been deemed "scientific" v. "alternative."  I am not in
any way saying that good scientific criteria should not be applied to all
proposed medical procedures, nor that many "alternative" cures are not in
fact quackery.  I just believe it advisable to form opinions on such
approaches on a case by case basis with an open mind with some knowledge of
the data that have been amassed.  -- David Scheim.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: young@serum.kodak.com [Rich Young (x37176)]
Subject: Re: MULTI-VITAMINS
Originator: young@sasquatch
Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:36:43 GMT

In article <12AUG92.03107042.0061@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CCMG <CCMG@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:

>Is it dangerous to take 1 MULTI-VITAMIN daily all year round.
>Is it beneficial or a waste of money.I took 1 tablet daily only
>in winter last year and never got a cold during that period.

   For most people, a "standard" multi-vitamin isn't particularly dangerous,
   but the excessive amounts of many vitamins which are commonly available
   can be unhealthy or even toxic.  For most people in Western society,
   vitamin tablets are a waste of money...but there are exceptions.

   As for the cold, you probably just got lucky.  :-)

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