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From: sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher)
Subject: Re: French/English status after independence
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
	<2A66EEA4.4021@telly.on.ca> <BrLMyw.Cz0@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>
	<18JUL92.18032467.0094@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 20:06:44 GMT

>>>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 1992 21:41:48 GMT, CZ94000
<CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> said:

  > I haven't been reading this newsgroup very long, but I've never
  > seen the expression "damned frogs" used here.  Can you tell me
  > who said this?

I did use a similar expression, me a francophone, and
apperently I had insulted some anglophones :-) (it was of
course in a sarcastic way) Oh Well!!! After all, it's
can.politics :-) (although I think it should be
can.politique)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: srklump@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (elm)
Subject: Re: Linguistic Intolerance
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:24:14 GMT

In article <BrwDyL.n0A@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, dfplant@napier.waterloo.edu (Douglas Plant) writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.125948.16782@doug.cae.wisc.edu> 
> 		debling@cae.wisc.edu (Jon Debling) writes:
> >English Canada speaks English today, mostly because of America to the south.
> >Jon A. Debling
> >
> Are you serious?!
> 			Doug.

"With a certain generosity of spirit, the English-speaking nations of the world
can be said to include America"  - Sir Humphrey, 'Yes Prime Minister'

Stephen.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Radio Program "As it Happens" Question
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:58:02 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Keywords: 10,000 miles from Reading

In article <1992Jul25.182146.27546@cc.umontreal.ca> coady@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Coady Michael) writes:
> 
> 	Someone wrote in to ask about the replacement host on "As It
> Happens" and someone else correctly replied that it was Richard Gwyn,
> a long-time political columnist in our Canadian newspapers.  I have to
> correct the second correspondent, who stated that Gwyn was responsible
> for the TV series "War", which was actually written and narrated by
> the similarly named Gwynne Dyer (another political columnist, of sorts).
> 

I have heard Gwynne Dyer on Radio New Zealand's "National Programme" (like the
CBC Radio, sort of). He has done numerous radio documentaires on Eastern
Europe and Russia. I believe he has been based there for some time - measured
in decades - starting around the time of the "Prague Spring" of 1968. I think
he was deported from Czechoslovakia in 1970 for working with anti-communist
organisations - or at least associating with them. 
 
He is a Canadian. 
 
I may be wrong, but I don't think so.

Steve

 
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: debling@cae.wisc.edu (Jon Debling)
Subject: Re: Linguistic Intolerance
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:59:47 CDT

In article <1992Jul14.134133.1@camins.camosun.bc.ca> alumni113@camins.camosun.bc.ca writes:
>Funny thing about linguistic intolerance, we would rather limit ourselves
>as a country to one language then promote the use of as many languages as
>possible with the hope of improving linguistic and cultural tolerance.
>Take Switzerland, my experience there told me that the law did not promote
>a multi languages policy, you lived in a German Canton (70%) then it was only
>German that was necessary to conduct business and converse with Public officers
>of the state, yet most every one I ever met spoke German and French and many
>spoke Italian as well as English. They just don't see it as big a deal as we
>do. In other areas it strikes me that we Anglos seem to be more hesitant to
>learn a second language then non-Anglos. Could it be that we have difficulty
>learning a complex grammar?
>robert kobenter

English Canada speaks English today, mostly because of America to the south.
In fact, most Quebecois speak English as well, in order to interact in a
business situation. I would claim that if the United States started speaking
Japanese tomorrow, Canada would be soon to follow. As the world becomes
increasingly connected and markets around the world open up, you will see
more and more anglos learning foreign languages. In short, people learn
languages when the have to ! Europeans speak a number of languages because
they have to trade, interact and conduct business in a variety of languages.
We in Canada don't. Just English and French, that's all we really need for now.



Jon A. Debling

P.S. I like the bit about "My Canada includes Quebec". We should all put
that at the end of our Email, postings etc !


From the "Holy Book of Quotes and Theorems", 1991, 1st Ed.
#151 "Free speech is designed to protect those with unpopular beliefs.
Otherwise there would be know need to have laws protecting things we
all agreed upon"

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Linguistic Intolerance
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:34:57 GMT

macuser@milton.u.washington.edu (Hung Le) writes:
>
>You can manage better as an English person in Quebec 
>than if youre francophone outside of Quebec....

I second that assertion from personal experiences ...

(Gawd, how I miss it! )-;)

gld
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From: naal@prg.ox.ac.uk (...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Toronto--Windsor(Ontario): Traveller Needs an Advice.
Date: 26 Jul 92 19:24:51 GMT
Organization: OUCL, UK


 
  Dear netters, 
 
  I am planning a trip from Toronto to the town of  
  Windsor(Ontario). Since I have never been in Canada  
  before, and since, due to the some  reasons, I  
  cannot arrange the tickets while staying in this 
  country, I should be most grateful to those of you, 
  who could kindly answer two simple questions  
  concerning this travel: 
 
  i) What is the best way for doing this trip -- 
     by plane, train , or maybe even bus? 
 
 ii) How much time may this trip actually take 
     one travelling by one of the above means
     of transport? 
 
  Please reply to my account, as I am not 
  reading this newsgroup regularly. 
 
  Also, please, ignore this my posting if 
  you are reading it later than 29 July 1992, 
  because I will not be on my current address
  by this date. 
  
Thank you very much in advance. 
 
A.M.Latypov  
  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:30:12 GMT

Well, I did not follow this thread; so I am sorry if I am missing something.
>Give me one good reason why a loan won't be enough to help you finish
>your education here.

What a prepostrous statement! What makes you think everybody who is in
here for their education wants to live here. Sorry, you are not that
great yet. You may be one day; but not yet. I would like to live in a
place where neighbours love and care for one another. And pray tell me
how am I supposed to pay back your loan. So the Americans can be given
as much loan as they want but not the foreign students. You can close
your door on foreign students ; but then you know how this country
became whatever it is economically.
So stop daydreaming and get a life.
*O My Golden Bengal, I love you*
Arindam

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general
From: tmcfarla@fraser.sfu.ca (Tara McFarlane)
Subject: Re: French/English status after independence
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:20:55 GMT

i'm tired of being told by francophones that we just don't understand when it
seems to me that they and many other canadians just don't seem to understand
what's going on in quebec. (imho) quebec is becoming a fascist state in which
the ruling elite are using nationalism to stage an illegitimate power grab.
i agree quebec has legitimate cultural and linguistic concerns, but the 
quebecoise public is being manipulated by political and buisness interests
their to grab far more powers than are necessary to assure the survival of
the french derived linguistic and cultural differences in quebec. the real
threat is not against the quebec anglos but the quebec natives who rightfully 
own the resources on which the powers that be wish to appropriate to build
quebec's future. further quebec's cultural stance runs counter to the trend in 
the rest of canada. outside of quebec at least, i sense that the general feelingis that a multicultural canada, however much even the majority might not like 
it, is inevitable, the way of the future, and have come to accept it just as we
accepted bilingualism for the same reasons. now along comes quebec saying it 
wants to protect its sanosanct culture from outside contamination. quebec's future lies in the past for them. well i happen to think multiculturalism
makes canada strong and i'd sooner have a multicultural canada without
quebec than a bicultural canada with quebec. (note: this reply wasn't entered
by the owner of this id. my name is larry).
From: ccav80@ccsun.strath.ac.uk (Chris 'Da Schmooza' Alexander)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Going back to my roots
Keywords: job, living
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:23:23 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University

Hi all !
sorry to post this here, but it is the only place I can think of 
(apart from misc.jobs.wanted)
Quick question or two: What's the job status like in computer graphics industry?

Universities?
Entry level stuff, maybe even R.A.
Haven't been back to Ontario for 10 years so I`m out of touch.

If anyone can help, Great! If not, feel free to flame me, I could use some mail
in the morning when I get in. =-8^)

|Chris.

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From: 832989@BOOTH.USASK.CA (Glenn Chin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: CFL Week 3
Date: 25 Jul 92 21:47:24 GMT

Eastern Division	  W	  L	Pts	Home	Away	F	A

Ottawa Rough Riders	  2	  1	 4	2-0	0-1	 95	 79 
Winnipeg Blue Bombers	  2	  1	 4	1-0	1-1	101	 94
Toronto Argonauts	  1	  2	 2	1-1	0-1	133	112
Hamilton Tiger-Cats	  1	  2	 2	0-1	1-1	 94	100	

Western Division

Calgary Stampeders	  3	  0	 6	1-0	2-0	115 	 67
Edmonton Eskimos	  2	  1	 4	1-0	1-1	103	108
Saskatchewan Roughriders  1	  2	 2	1-1	0-1	 80	 91 
British Columbia Lions	  0	  3	 0	0-2	0-1	 65	135

Average number of points scored per 1992 CFL regular season game:  65.5.

REGULAR SEASON SCHEDULE
					EDT
WEEK 4
July 30	Saskatchewan at Hamilton	 7:30pm CBC
	Edmonton at Ottawa		 7:30pm
	British Columbia at Winnipeg	 8:30pm
	Toronto at Calgary		 9:00pm CBC

WEEK 3
July 22	Edmonton 32 at Winnipeg 51
July 23	Hamilton 39 at Toronto 30
	Calgary 37 at British Columbia 19
July 24	Ottawa 13 at Saskatchewan 23
						Players of the week
WEEK 2
July 15	Saskatchewan 31 at Edmonton 34 (OT)	D-Edmonton LB Willie Pless
July 16	British Columbia 20 at Toronto 61	O-Toronto QB Rickey Foggie
	Winnipeg 14 at Ottawa 29		L-Ottawa DE Gregg Stumon
	Hamilton 22 at Calgary 34

WEEK 1
July 8	Calgary 44 at Saskatchewan 26		L-Calgary OT Ken Moore
July 9	Toronto 42 at Ottawa 53 (OT)		O-Ottawa QB Tom Burgess
	Winnipeg 36 at Hamilton 33 (OT)		D-Ottawa LB Angelo Snipes
	Edmonton 37 at British Columbia 26
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:5162 alt.california:1531
From: fuzzface@cats.ucsc.edu (Aaron Priven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,alt.california
Subject: California bilinguals (was: Re: French/English status)
Date: 21 Jul 1992 07:50:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (College Eight)
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Jul21.070718.288641@cs.cmu.edu> clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
>In article <_gdmk!l.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>
>   In article <BrnqvH.17F@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis 
>   Beauregard) writes:
>
>   There is a similar thing in the USA, where Spanish is often considered
>   inferior to English as first language and to French as a second language.
>   It's odd that a knowledge of French would be considered a mark of culture
>   in the USA, but not in Canada.

Well, if you don't *need* it, it must be cultural! :)

I am now taking first semester university French.  (I know now just
barely enough to giggle knowingly when I see people writing about
"Quebec kitchen".  Someday I imagine knowing another verb tense.)

>Which ties into my question: I believe that a plurality of Los
>Angelenos are Hispanic.  What percentage of English-speaking Los
>Angelenos speak Spanish?

The California and Quebec situations aren't really comparable.
Although California *was* settled by Spanish speakers first (after the
natives), California was still extremely sparsely populated by the time
of the American conquest.  The California Gold Rush brought in many
times the number of anglophones as there ever were Spanish-speakers
(what's the appropriate word?  hispanophones?  wouldn't that include
the Portuguese? I've known a few Portuguese-Californians).  The Latino
population of California is almost entirely made up of the descendants
of immigrants from Mexico or other Spanish-speaking areas.  This is in
sharp contrast to Quebec, where the French speakers were there first
(again, after the natives) and have always remained the majority, even
when it wasn't the language of daily life in Montreal.

It should be also be noted that many Hispanic Californians whose
families have lived in the US a long time don't speak Spanish, so you
shouldn't assume that when making statistical comparisons such as the
above.

None of that means that I think bilingualism in California isn't a good
idea or that idiots like "US English" should be tolerated (the idea
that English is threatened in the United States would be laughable if
so many people didn't seem to believe it), but it's really not a good
idea to parallel the Quebec and Californian situations.

 =Aaron=
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: wskelly@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (William Skelly)
Subject: Re: Give me 10 reasons
Organization: Macquarie University, Australia.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:30:22 GMT

In article <LABACH.92Jul29130515@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes:
>In article <Bs3rpE.G8H@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
>(Denis Beauregard) writes: 
>>
>>   10 reasons for Quebec secedes from Canada
>>      [10-2 deleted] 
>>      1- Because it is the natural next step
>
>1 - Because Brian Mulroney would no longer be a Canadian citizen.

I suggest we put Terry's suggestion on the negotiating table! If
Quebec separates they have to take Brain Baby with them! 

Cheers,
Chris 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:5204 soc.culture.indian:25716
From: jt@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Sebastian Theriault)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Canada versus U.S.A.
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:35:41 GMT
Reply-To: jt@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Sebastian Theriault)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

[stuff about american beer deleted]

American beer is like making love in a canoe: it's f*cking close to
water.

--
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:5222 soc.culture.indian:25769 soc.culture.usa:6191
From: murgesh@sgi.com (Murgesh Navar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Educating Intn'l Students <Was Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy>
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:11:44 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Jul23.184044.190840@ua1ix.ua.edu> ngopalas@ha15.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.180509.6267@reed.edu>, vganesan@reed.edu (The Phoenix) writes:
>|> In article <4775@sumax.seattleu.edu> harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Elan Morin Tedronai) writes:
>|> >In article <1992Jul23.133012.7486@menudo.uh.edu> mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU writes:
>|> >
>|> 
>|> >
>|> >Listen, I don't think we should close the door on foreign students.
>|> >Everyone would be poorer for that. But put yourself in the position
>|> >of a Canadian or US student graduating with loans in excess of 
>|> >30,000 to pay off, and then ask yourself if you'd not be just a
>|> >trifle curious as to why it is seen fit to subsidize foreign students.
>|> 
>|> Actually it is the American Govt who actually gains from all
>|> this. One note the American govt has a policy never funds 
>|> non U.S citizens directly. All forms of federal and state aid
>|> is earmarked for U.S citizens.
>|> 
>
>I know of a person who, though he has a GRE combined total of 2320/2400,
>he was not offered a research assistantship or fellowship. It went to an
>American student with far less.I am not complaining.In fact I fully agree that 
>the Dept should give it to the American student to encourage him. After all
>their first priority should be US citizens and it always is. Only from
>
	Heck, if I was a professor who needed real quality work to attract
funding I'd probably have hired the brightest person there is irrespective
of National origin or Citizenship. After all my ass is on the line too. 

	It may be O.K to have affirmative action in favor of American students,
in the sense, if the American and the Foreign student were equally qualified 
for an assistantship, give it to the American. But if the American was clearly
an inferior student I'd say dump him/her. Let the grant go to the best. We'd
all be better off for it in the long run.

	We have precisely such hiring practices here in the industry. Hire the
brightest whatever it takes.

						-murgesh
Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:5350 can.general:3576
From: sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general
Subject: Re: French/English status after independence
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:04:11 GMT
	<tmcfarla.712268455@sfu.ca> <1992Jul28.164605.15277@cc.umontreal.ca>
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal

>>>>> On 28 Jul 92 16:46:05 GMT, irwin@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Irwin David) said:

  > In article <tmcfarla.712268455@sfu.ca>
tmcfarla@fraser.sfu.ca (larry someting) writes:
  > quebec is becoming a fascist state in which
  > >the ruling elite are using nationalism to stage an illegitimate power grab.

  > Well that's a way of seeing things! While you're at it why didn't you refer
  > to concentration camps for the english speaking population of Quebec.

Well, you know, Larry is a moderate. He prefers to be
forgiving. :-)

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.canada:5177 can.general:3350
From: grayt@Software.Mitel.COM (Tom Gray)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.general
Subject: Louis XIV and Denis
Date: 20 Jul 92 17:16:54 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <Brns52.1En@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:

|are the Quebec bashing, the redneck, etc. attitude.  Just look the
|Laporte posting very recently.  It was shown on a TV report that the
|actual murder was an accident, while there was a criminal responsibility
|for the rapt (person removal?).  The posting said it was not a murder
|because they were 3 to keep the prisoner, and only 2 when killing him
|intentionally,  This posting was a typical Quebec bashing posting
|by a typical Quebec basher.


No Denis - Qubec didn't condone the actions of these murders, you did.
This wasn't an example of Quebec bashing; it was an example of
Denis bashing. However it appears to even more apt since you
seem to have trouble differentiating Quebec from your own
prejudices. 

L'Etat C'est moi. ==  Denis Beauregard 1992
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: eburk@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Eli Burk)
Subject: working in japan
Originator: eburk@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:04:18 GMT


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From: macuser@milton.u.washington.edu (Hung Le)
Subject: Re: Sante'
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:08:24 GMT

Sante' means health.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada,can.politics
From: rlerdorf@netcom.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)
Subject: Re: Give me 10 reasons
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 17:23:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield) writes:

>I love it!  I can see the final moments of the great constitutional
>debate -- with Joe Clark and the 9 ROC premiers on one side, Bourassa
>on the other, Mulroney in the middle.  "YOU take him!"  No, NO, YOU
>take him; you promised!"  "He goes with you or no deal."  "All right,
>then, you have to give us British Columbia!"  "Uhhhh..."
>With any luck, BM would sneak out in the middle of all this and go
>on a permanent fishing trip with his buddy George.

;)  You could always barter him off south of the border.  People are 
pretty desperate down here.  They would most likely embrace Brain Baby
as their new wunderkind economic saviour.  

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
From: ramirez@julia.math.ucla.edu (Alice Ramirez)
Subject: Autumn in Manitoba-things to do and see???
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 19:32:43 GMT

I'll be visiting Wpg. Manitoba sometime in the fall, probably October or
November.  While I will be spending most of my time with a dear, close friend
I would still like to do some sightseeing.  What are the best attractions
in and within reasonable driving distance of Wpg.?  I am most fond of
nature, animals, gardens, etc.  least fond of intensely urban pursuits.
Are there any rodeos, festivals, country fairs at that time?
I mean, I particularly don't want to be in the position of having to say
to my friend "duh! You decide.  I dunno!"

Thanks in advance

Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada