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From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Elvis 1.5 (esp. for MiNT) - How would you like it?
Keywords: vi
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:43:34 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

alf@skid.north.de (Alf Hoheisel) writes:

>warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:

>>I ported Elvis 1.4 to MiNT last night - the BSD configuration works fine.
>>I've grabbed Elvis 1.5 and I'll port it again tonight.

>What are you doing there? This versions of Elvis have been ported a long
>time ago. The newest version I know of is 1.6 (27 April 1992). I'm working
>with this version since 17 May 1992. I can also use our `Umlaute'. I've
>no other editor on my HD.

Strange, I've never heard of Elvis 1.6, and archie only mentions a jelvis
(localised Japanese) 1.6 elvis.  Not that it matters - it only took 10
minutes to port anyway.  The main thing is to have a MiNT friendly version,
since all the `normal' TOS ports are brain-damaged (they busy-wait on the
keyboard in order to implement time-out, which screws multitasking
performance).

>The version I'm using has been ported by Juergen Lock <nox@jelal.north.de>

I'll give him a ping.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: For Sale
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:45:55 GMT
Organization: Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand

 Greetings,
 
 I have two hard disk units forsale if anyone is interested.
 
 I x SH205 in good condition complete with shareware (ex bbs) $nzd500
 1 x Megafile 30 (now 60 megs) also ex bbs                    $nzd800

 Please feel free to drop me a note or ring me on (09) 3585589 (ah)
 (why am I selling I need a 1.2gig disk for the bbs (status))


 Jon Clarke               (Z*NET FNET now in FIDO)                HSBC NZM EBD
 GEnie: J.CLARKE6          FIDONET: 3/772:105      TheNets: jonc@status.gen.nz
 T h e    Z * N E T    G l o b a l   N e w s   G a t e w a y    i n    N Z L .
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: alvear@panini.cs.jhu.edu (Domingo Bruno Alvear)
Subject: California Dealers, namely L.A. area!
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:55:08 GMT

I will be moving to California in a month and need to find out where I can
go to get good support of my beloved 520ST.

I need the names and addresses of dealers in the Los Angeles area.  I will
have a car, so distance ( < 75 miles) is not really a problem.

Thanks in advance!

Dom (alvear@cs.jhu.edu)
From: hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: RAM expansion on the Falcon
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:24:50 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Aug17.104626.3614@arizona.edu> paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu writes:
>In article 18602@aber.ac.uk, hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro) writes:
>> Mike mentioned that the German TT-RAM card goes upto 32MB, as of 2 months ago
>> (about that) a new board is out which now goes up to 64MB.
>> 
>> Herb
>> -- 
>> /******************************************************************************
>> Herbert Sauro                                   e-mail: hrs@aber.ac.uk
>
>But has anybody actually seen this board?  If so, I'd like to know where and for how much.  And does it work with all TT's?  Somebody said that the 32MB board has problems with older TT's, of which I believe mine is one.
>
>-Paul Harris
>paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Well I've seen a picture of it in the German mag ST Computer and some else
has also mentioned its existence. I've not seen an advert for it however,
but I'm sure GE-Soft will be showing it at this weekend's show.

herb
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/******************************************************************************
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: azog@world.std.com (Azog Thoth)
Subject: Re: Atari
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 17:50:57 GMT

hrs@aber.ac.uk (Herbert Martin Sauro) writes:

[ stuff about bitching about the Falcon deleted ]
>I agree with Ken, anyway what's wrong with a 68030, what applications
>Jason do you have that really requires a 68040?

This is IMHO, flames and comments are welcome, as long as they are 
logical...

It seems to me that the people who are now complaing about the Falcon
are probably weenies who want a NeXT-type of machine for $700. Face it,
the Falcon (seems) be to offering a helluva lot, for $700. Add a VGA
monitor, for $200, and a hard drive, for say $300, and youve got a killer
machine that would do lots of damage to your 'de facto' standards (IBM).

These are probably also the weenies who just want to boast to their
friends "Oh, my Falcon has a 50MHz 68040 with 128mb of RAM!". Granted
that there are applications that would require such, like very high
end graphics, but dont forget, that the Falcon is a _home_ computer,
and most people will probablty run simple apps on it; games are probably
the forefront, home accounting, MIDI of course since this is Ataris
niche, etc. If one wants to run 3-dimensional rendering, then they would
look elsewhere, such as SGI. 

Myself, if and when I get a Falcon, I plan to run the same apps that I
do now: MIDI, telecommunications, and WP. Having a MIDI machine with a
DSP in it would be a great advantage. I can record my music via MIDI, 
and lay in vocal tracks via the DSP (if indeed I planned on such a thing...
most of my music is non-vocal).

Atari could easily build up the Falcon 040 to meet such requirements,
but they would be beyond my price range. And again, there is the old
label that Atari has, for being a game company, and this, IMHO, is what
turns most people off.

One other thing, totally off the above topic, Ive seen many postings
regarding this empty socket in the Falcon, and people are hoping or
wondering if itll be for a 386 processor, and have IBM emulation 
pretty much built in... My ideal would be to make it another 68030, 
running concurrent with the existing processor. Imagine the media
reaction to such a machine? Duel processors under $1000? So far, as I
know, the only duel processor machines are _very_ high end ones, like
the Sun Sparc 10 (or whatever its called), and large iron, like VAXen.
Putting duel processors on the desktop would be a boost to Atari, and
put it over Amiga. 


-- 
Billy D'augustine
azog@world.std.com

"Obliteration of mankind. Under a pale grey sky. We shall arise!"
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Wanted Sam Tramiel, conference transcript of GEnie
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:10:31 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

The Sam Tramiel conference on GEnie will no doubt be included in
this week's ST Report...

But briefly, other than acknowledging the existance of the Falcon,
and uploading an ASCII description of its features, the
conference was more or less one long "No Comment"...

Any "real" information is being reserved for release at the
Atari show coming up soon in Germany.

Sam did say that the Forbes article gave everyone at Atari a good
laugh, and that the view from his "new" office is better than his
"old" one..

Also in the realm of "Good News", the GEnie conferencing software
didn't crash this time.
From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon Resolution, Audio Sampling
Date: 20 Aug 1992 09:45:34 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <9886@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>But are you really going to plug a $1500 monitor into your $1000 computer :-)?

	Why not?  Its quite likely that that $1500 monitor will also work with
that $2000 computer you might upgrade to ... once you recover from buying the 
monitor.  :)

>--
>warwick
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-Mike
From: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Utterly bizarre idea for Atari
Date: 19 Aug 92 02:57:18 GMT
Reply-To: warwick@cs.uq.oz.au

adrian@robots.ox.ac.uk (Adrian Cox) writes:

>What I have not heard of is
>a parallel architecture good for interactive programs such as word
>processors and art packages.

While "performance" is a moot point for straight wordprocessors, art packages
and DTP programs could achieve significant benefits from vectorization.  The
bezier curve algorithm is trivially vectorizable, for example, and probably
consumes the greatest amount of CPU time in DTP packages (when coupled to
drawing font elements, etc).

However, any multitasking environment will benefit from multi-processing,
and this was the original poster point, I believe (since only a two-processor
system was referred to - useless for vectorization).


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From: dac@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Clear)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:27:20 GMT
Reply-To: dac@ukc.ac.uk (David Clear)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Aug14.124301.17713@pellns.alleg.edu> heidelj@alleg.edu (Jason Heideloff) writes:
>But that is another good point to bring up.  Why does Atari always seem to  
>try and produce things so that they are cheaply priced?  I think that  
>people are turned off by lowly priced computers, especially from Atari  
>anyway.  I don't think the Power Without The Price motto can survive much  
>longer.

I'm sorry, I don't agree.  If I want a more expensive machine - a more
`serious' machine, if you like, then I will buy a PC - the industry
standard home computer.  However, what I want is a hobbyist machine
whose operating system and users are constantly growing, developing and
improving, whilst still delivering the power to run the applications I
need; so I will opt for an Atari.

Myself, I am very impressed with the specs/price ratio so far.  I do
feel a little let down by the 16MHz clock speed.  I will pay for 32MHz
and fast memory in the Falcon.  I'm sorry to say I will not be buying
a 16MHz Falcon.

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From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: High Speed Modems
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:01:51 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <L7LBPB1w164w@tcpbbs.pcn.org> joeadato@tcpbbs.pcn.org (Joseph Adato) writes:
>charlie@mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (Charlie Demerjian) writes:
>
>> I am looking to buy a 9600 baud modem for my ST. What are the best brands? 
>> I need a V.32bis and V.42bis, and fax capabilities would be a plus. Any 
>> information would help, especially details on what modems you own, and any
>> problems you have had. Thanks in advance.
>>    -Chuck
>> 
>Supra has such a modem for under $300.00.  If I remember correctly the
>price is closer to $250.00


	Well, since I am looking at it, here in the Sept. 1992 issue of 
MacWorld in the Mac Zone ad-section, they advertise a Supra V.32bis modem for
$258 without (Mac) software and cables (378 with).

	Just for those who might be interested (and yes, I am getting one as 
soon as the ol' paycheck rolls around :)... 

	-Mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ljdickey@math.uwaterloo.ca (L.J. Dickey)
Subject: Re: Waiting for hard disks
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:43:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.003407.8936@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> cable@crs.cl.msu.edu (Dan Cable) writes:
>Paul Purdom <pwp@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>
>>Can someone recommend a program that waits for a hard disk to warm up
>>when booting an ST? I haave been using one that printed jkwaiting while it
>>was waiting, and I forgot its name. Also, I lost my copy (or else I have
>>it stored under a name that does not ring a bell).
>
>Atari has released NOROACH for this purpose and there is also another program 
>called BOOTTYME which should do the trick.

The program that you lost is called hdboot by Jelske Kloppenberg
Two sequels, hdwait2 and hdwait3 have been released by others.



-- 
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From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:07:59 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Aug13.182309.10852@pellns.alleg.edu> heidelj@alleg.edu (Jason Heideloff) writes:
>My biggest turnoff of Atari the company (by the way, I do own a Mega STe.)  
>is the fact that they wait too long.  They wait too long to deliver any  
>new products, they wait too long to inform the public on much of anything  
>and it is an absolute killer.  Quite frankly, I am surprised that they are  
>still in busines.
>

In the past, Atari's been accused of producing vaporware, i.e. announcing 
products and taking too long to deliver.  This time, they're not announcing
them until they're almost ready to ship.

>supposed to be even faster.  My question is, why would any company, I  
>don't care who it is, invest in technology which has surpassed and will  
>soon be taken over by something else.  I would agree with them if they  
>shiped their computers with 68040, but I can't believe that they would  
>like to slow themselves (the company) down by installing yesterday's  
>technology.  It just doesn't make sense.

The Falcon is going to cost well under US$1000, have two hard drive interfaces
(IDE and SCSI-II), 16Mhz 68030, 10+ MIPS DSP, LAN port, expandability to 14megs,
Multitasking OS, processor direct slots, great graphics, and you're complaining
because it's old technology?!  What other computer has what the Falcon
has for under $1000?




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From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon tinkering thoughts...
Date: 18 Aug 1992 16:27:39 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug18.155722.27123@u.washington.edu> dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward) writes:
>
>Can anyone who's seen a Falcon tell me how easy it would be to pull out
>the motherboard and  put it in my Mega STe?  I don't want to give up my
>separate keyboard.

	I don't blame you - the separate keyboards make life a nicer place to
be.  :)

>  I have a Maxtor 7120S SCSI 120 meg drive in it now;
>I'd probably have to rig up some funky way of connecting it internally to
>the SCSI port...  have to cut different holes in the back for the
>different ports... How about the keyboard?  Could the modular jack be
>directly wired from the old keyboard wires?  

	Remember, the Falcon has an internal IDE drive - that means they
probably took out the internal SCSI connector.  So you will have to get an
external case, and a converter to go from 25->50 SCSI, and of course, the
25pin cable - you can get that at any Mac shop - in fact, just about any 
case/powersupply built for the mac should work perfectly.  Also, if you plan
to get a high-speed SCSI-2 drive in the future, I recommend you get the 
SCSI-2 rated cables - supposedly they give better performance (more s/n ??)
but I have not seen this first hand.


>
>The other thing is if I were to get a Falcon (whether or not I put the
>motherboard in the Mega STe case) would I be able to run mono-only
>programs like Calamus 1.09n?  

	Sure.  It supports all the ST resolutions.

>
>Thanks,
>
>Dan Aylward
>dud@u.washington.edu
>

-No prob.

Mike
From: chang@assb01
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MiNT Setups...
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:14:37 GMT


	I'd like to request that (successful) MiNT users out there share
their setups on the net.  I think it would be productive sharing of info
out there, both those, who aren't using something that someone else is
using, but would like to if he/she knew it was there, and those of us who
aren't getting it to run as advertised.  I personally cannot stay in
MGR for more than 15 minutes without crashing it and I can't get either
of my 2 fave editors to work under it, mg and and old Edgar Roegar emacs
that was on a.a ~ 3 years ago.

	A sample format:

	Computer setup.
	Auto folder setup:
	Init file contents, rc files, termcap, etc...
	Directory structure of the mint/msg, mw2, gcc whatever (ls -R at
the top level would be optimal)
	Things you use MiNT, i.e. gcc 1.40, tip, emacs, etc.
	How you typically use it, i.e. running gem from the start,
WP, with bgacc running a terminal pgm, or MGR from boot up, one coding
window, one for the compiler, etc..

	This also would help users debug their problems as instead if
Joe can't get gcc to run under MiNT, but Fred can't, with Fred's setup
as described as above, Joe should be able to duplicate it.

	What say MiNT users, dabblers, gurus and gurus in training?

	Fo
From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari Advantage Magazine
Keywords: conspicuous absence
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:49:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Aug13.133704.20462@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> rrk@vixen.uucp (24115-kutz) writes:
>
>I notice discussion on the latest issue (in an erratic series)
>of Atari Advantage Magazine, a.k.a. the "Falcon issue."
>If a subscriber (such as I) has not yet received this issue, should
>I be concerned?  Or should I attribute the empty mail-box to
>delays common to magazine-class delivery (I'm on the east coast USA)?

They shipped them third class, so it could take up to four weeks to receive
it.  I got mine this past Monday.

If you don't receive it by the end of August, you might want to give them a
call.




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From: ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: STBook
Keywords: Availability
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:25:03 GMT
Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco

In article <1992Aug17.081834.21888@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John) writes:
>Having the brouchure for some time, and in need of a portable ST
>without lugging around an LST, where can one get an STBook, if they
>have been released?

They're available in Europe for the most part, in one meg versions.  Bob
Brodie said that Atari US didn't feel one meg was adequate and that they
were going to wait for the four meg version.  When that comes, who knows.

One of the local dealers obtained an ST Book from an Atari employee who
didn't want it any more, but promptly sold it.  Perhaps you could inquire
at Atari Corp.

You may also want to look into getting a DOS notebook or a PowerBook 100.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,misc.forsale.computers
From: jasond@microsoft.com (Jason Demlow)
Subject: Atari Equipment for Sale. . .
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:24:01 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: na

Greetings,

I have decided to part-out my atari equipment.
The following is a list of hardware; everything can, of course,
be purchased as a system.

Secondary Storage
-----------------
Atari Megafile 44 (44Mb removable cartridge hard drive, Syquest mech, SCSI)
Seagate ST296N (85Mb 5 1/4" HH, SCSI)
Under Monitor case with 2 bays, power supply, ICD ADSCSI+ Adapter, fan, cables.

*Note, the Megafile comes in a case w/ power supply and adapter of it's own.


Monitor
-------
Atari SC1224 Color Monitor (No display problems)

CPU
---
Atari 1040ST with 4Mb RAM (Zubair ZRAM 3D card, might separate.)

Accessories
-----------
Monitor Master
Extra Mouse


ALL OF THE ABOVE EQUIPMENT CAN BE HAD FOR $1200.
IF YOU WANT PIECES, EMAIL ME WITH OFFERS.

jasond@microsoft.com

PS.   I also have a TT030/8 if anyone is interested in purchasing it.
From: ralph@prosun.first.gmd.de (Ralph Berg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: BTX Software - wer kennt sich aus
Date: 12 Aug 92 11:34:46 GMT
Distribution: de
Organization: GMD-FIRST, D-1000 Berlin 10

Hallo Leute,
wer hat Erfahrung mit BTX Software (AtariST(Monochrom),Modem)?
Wie laesst sich die Software bedienen?
Wie sicher ist der Zugang (Versuche/Erfolg)?
Welche Software benutzt Ihr?
Wo kann man sie beziehen, wieviel kostet das entsprechende Paket?

Zusammenfassung folgt demnaechst.

ralph

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From: paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Paul Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Atari
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:36:29 GMT
Reply-To: paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

Well, it seems that everybody has a rather low view of Atari today.  So why did we all buy them?  If you want a PC clone or a Mac or Unix box then get one and stop complainging!  I got my TT last November for a number of reasons: (1)Unix machines are _way_ out of my price range (I did lust after a NeXT for a while, but reality eventually hit me in the face--and people shouldn't compare and Atari with a Next; they're a few thousand dollars different); (2) I still see PC's as suped-up 8 bit
machines (and have had little evidence otherwise); and (3) I could get an Atari with
a Mac emulator for less than a Mac or similar speed (and who really needs color on a Mac anyway--I've never had any use for it).  So I've got my fast Mac, plus a free 
Atari on the side (which, I've found, has more _useful_ PD software out there than anything short of a Unix).  So are my reasons lagit?

And about the Falcon, I think that if Atari could actually manage to market these things right, it could be a big _cheap_ computer.  Sure, maybe you could find a 386 in the same supposed price range, but with MIDI and DSP?  My roommate forked out big money to put MIDI on his PC.  As I see it, this is a musician's dream machine.  I mean, what musician cares if his computer can beat a 386 in some meaningless benchmark?  And the Falcon even has a TV output for those who don't care what their graphics look lik









e.

Anyway, the Falcon isn't even a competitor for the TT, and I think it's impossible to compare it to a NeXT.  So if you like it, buy it; if not, then quit complaining.

--just my thoughts
-Paul Harris
paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu

p.s.
So what's the new key on the Falcon between 'Z' and the left-shift?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ras@oracorp.com (Rick Smith)
Subject: Help!  Need a price
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:24:43 GMT


I have a large number of atari 520's and 1040's we are donating to
a school system in West Virginia.  I need a price so the school can
give us a receipt for the IRS.  There is no atari dealer here in town
any more and the one price I got seems way too high for 5 year old
ataris.  Please e-mail as I don't subscribe to this group.

Thanks

the rickster

phone 607.277.2020
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st