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From: powell@interlan.interlan.com (Glen D. Powell)
Subject: FRAM filters
Organization: Racal Datacom, Inc., Boxborough, MA (1-800-LAN-TALK)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:25:45 GMT



Reprinted from the November '92 issue of _european car_ magazine
and is a "side bar" to  "Project 924", a well worn 924 that they
are rebuilding.

page 53

Fram oil filters
----------------

   For the last several years, we have recommended Fram Wear Guard oil
filters because of the protection they afford automobile engines. Now,
Fram has come out with an improved oil filter, which goes by the name
Extra Guard.

   Fram filters have always had good single-pass efficiency ratings.
The higher the single-pass efficiency, the more particle will be removed
from the oil each time the oil passes through the filter. Screen type
surface filters have poor single-pass efficiency, while depth filters
(such as "toilet ((no, not toyota, ed.)) paper" filters) generally have
high singel-pass efficiency. During Fram's on-going testing program, they
determined that single-pass efficiency is one of the best ways of
determining filter effectivness. Thus, the goal was to better their already
good single-pass efficiency.

   The trade-off is that as single-pass efficiency rises, restriction often
rises, too. Thus, a screen-type filter (when clean) offers little restriction,
while a "toilet paper" filter is very restrictive.

   To increase single-pass efficiency while controlling restrictiveness,
Fram switched from their highly evolved resin-coated cellulose fiber
element to a hybrid element made of glass fibers and resin-coated
cellulose fibers. The coated cellulose fibers give the element the strength
it needs (very omportant in Volkswagen applications, as we have learned),
while the glass fibers act as barbs to catch particles. New construction
techniques give the Fram Extra Guard filter the characteristics of both a
surface filter and a depth filter.

   The result is an increase in single-pass efficiency from 92.4% in the
Wear Guard series to 96.3% in the Extra Guard Series, with no increase in
restrictiveness (both filters are rated only 3 psi pressure drop).

   Project 924 may have been abused in the past, but from now on it gest
nothing but the best.

-glen


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Don't buy japanese *ANYTHING*
From: andrew@frip.WV.TEK.COM (Andrew Klossner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stick VS Auto.
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:32:13 GMT
Reply-To: andrew@frip.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix Color Printers, Wilsonville, Oregon

[]

	"autos should be used by ... people who just dont ENJOY
	driving, or having TOTAL control over thier car."

If you have a conventional car, you don't have TOTAL control -- the
steering wheels are locked to the same angle.  If you can rotate those
wheels independently, there are some important maneuvers you can
perform.  They might save your life.

[Yeah, I know it sounds flakey, but I once had an engineering professor
who really believed this.]

  -=- Andrew Klossner  (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
                       (uunet!tektronix!frip.WV.TEK!andrew)
From: hmoeller@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Helena Moeller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1955 mercury station wagons
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:42:47 MST
Organization: The Nucleus 16 Lines 403-531-9353 -CNet Amiga-

we have a 1955 mercury station wagon and would like to communicate with anyone
else who has one...as yet we have not seen another one as they were fairly rare
and many were used in the demolition derbys of the 1960's...if you have one or
know of one we would appreciate hearing from you...
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Quick radar question about traffic ticket
Date: 9 Nov 1992 23:59:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) says:

>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>hmm..what i was reading into this whole 'vette versus peterbuilt thing, is
>>that the radiator of the vette is angled, and that in the truck is standing
>>upright.  thus, when a radar wave strikes the surface of the vette radiator,
>>it is reflected back up, where as the one in the truck will reflect it back
>>at the gun..(someone quoted the rule that i cannot remember right now..something
>>about angle of incidence= angle of reflection??..)..is this true, or no?..
>>(while i am sure this is only a small part of all of this crap,..i just wonder
>>if this small portion is correct?)
>
>AI=AR is high-school freshman physics (it should be obvious in any
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
freshman??..didn't offer it til jr or sr year..which i skipped..
alas..haven't taken it yet in college...wasn't sure..apologies...

>case).  The comparison of a truck radiator to a vette radiator is
>valid, although the truck will actually be a much larger reflector
>than just its radiator -- most trucks have lots of flat mettalic
>surfaces and will be terrific reflectors as the angle of incidence
>approaches perpendicularity with respect to the truck body (in
>practical terms this means that the farter away the truck is the
>better reflector it is, although the affect does drop off quickly
>because of the inverse square law).
>
ya'couldda just sed yes.  that would have been enuff..but thank you
for reinforcing the others again!:-)
DREW
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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Date: 13 Nov 92 04:26:57 GMT
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) says:

>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>
>>In a previous article, mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (REAL LIFE?!?!  HA!!) says:
>
>
>>>Find a mid-1970's Euro-spec BMW 3.0CSi.  Tip gently into the throttle and slow-
>>>ly release the clutch.  Accelerate moderately to 3000 RPM in first gear.  Stand
>>>on it.  That smoke in your rear-view mirror ain't oil.  Let the tires catch,
>>>accelerate to redline, shift into second.  Stand on it.  Is that smoke again?
>>>I think so.
>>wonderful example..hadda leave it..even though, again..spinning tires is a
>>deceptive measure of performance...
>
>I never said anything about power (BTW above BMW pulls 230-240 bhp from a 3L
>sohc I-6, 0-60 in low 7's); I was referring to other things that are MORE
>fun than the *HARD* automatic shift.  But the car DOES perform.....
>
>>enuff of this..you drive what you want..i'll drive what i want..and we can
>>both feel pity for the other "fool" who simply cannot see what fun it is
>>to do it our way!
>
>Sounds to me like we're in agreement on what's fun though....
for the most part, yeah..but the other dudes do not think so..and i doubt 
we will open any eyes..so..we can just keep the fun stuff for us..and let
them spend the megabucks that is in  high demand, so the demi-gods of 
manufacturing can charge three prices for them, and tell them it's a deal!
DREW
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From: minnebo@probe.acs.oakland.edu (Brian P. Minnebo)
Subject: Re: Tires and rims for Dodge Stealth R/T.
Keywords: Stealth, tires, wheels
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:06:42 GMT

billybob@BNR.CA (Bill Nickerson) writes:

>Hi, People.
>
>In Canada we are cursed with the snow thing in winter. However, I still wanna
>drive my Stealth R/T around because I don't want to depend on the public
>transit schedule. (Yeah, I know, what an idiot I am.)
>
>Can anyone help me with a good size and price for some good winter tires? The
>dealer said 205/65 15 tires on a 15x6 wheel would be fine. I cringed when the
>price of $150 without tax for the wheels alone was given (and steel wheels at
>that!) Is this unreasonable?

For $150 each, you can buy after market cast aluminum wheels.  Don't
buy the wheels at the dealer.

>Also, I was thinking of putting Goodyear MNS tires on whatever I eventually
>get. Any advice on these?

I love my Goodyear Eagle M+S tires.  In fact, they are the only goodyear
eagles that I will buy (I have gator backs).

Brian
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: How well does GALVANIZED STEEL prevent
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:16:13 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research and Environmental Staff

In article 1645@noose.ecn.purdue.edu, rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:
|>In article <BxK5Cw.M09@chinet.chi.il.us> drt@chinet.chi.il.us (Donald Tveter) writes:
|>>I'm likely to get a new car soon (likely a Chevy Corsica) with
|>>galvanized (zinc plated) body panels.  GM guarantees the body panels
|>>won't rust thru for 6 years or 100,000 miles.  However, if all goes
|>>according to plan I hope the car will last 20 years and about 75,000
|>>miles.

|>>Should I go farther and get more rust-proofing, say from Ziebart or the
|>>like?  If I get this extra rust-proofing are these people smart enough
|>>to remove road salt first and then let the car dry before applying the
|>>undercoat?  Can I wait until after the salt season to undercoat?
|>>Should I wait until after the salt season to buy?
|>
|>i thought we were past the days of snake-oil rustproofing.  rustproofing is a
|>waste and often clogs normal drain passages and voids your new car warranty and
|>causes rust.  just buy the car and enjoy it and don't worry about rust.

First, read and pay attention to your owner's manual. Having after-market
rustproofing put on my void parts of you warrantee. Dealers often
psuh these treatments because they have a high profit margin, but
they don't always tell you the whole story.

Two-side galvanized is a big win, because it adds significant rust
resistance even if the paint or undercoating is penetrated by
minor scratches or chips.  This should increase the body life
considerably.

The most important thing you can do is regular and thorough maintenance:

	- keep the car clean, especially the underside if you live
	  in areas that salt rods in winter. 

	- keep a good coat of wax on the car. I prefer real wax to
	  the acrylics, but regular renewal is more important than
	   which product you use.

	- repair damage promptly - including small chips and scratches.

	- periodically check that the drain holes in enclosed areas
	  such as doors and fender sections are clear.



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DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
personal opinion, not an official statement of General Motors Corp.
From: jsmigels@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Judeman Hockeynut)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Info wanted on leasing vs buying
Date: 7 Nov 92 02:50:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Nov7.025056.9030
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Nov7.021656.26013@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> sankar@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Sriram Sankar) writes:
>
>> From: jsmigels@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Judeman Hockeynut)
>> In article <1992Nov5.224406.29102@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> sankar@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Sriram Sankar) writes:
>>
>> >LEASING:
>> >
>> >The leasing company pays the dealer $Z = $X + registration.  Note that no sales tax is
>> >involved.  The lease parameters are the term, the residual value, and the money factor.
>> >The residual value is fixed based on the car - i.e., this cannot be negotiated.  The
>> >term may be negotiated.  In any case, plugging these parameters into a formula results
>> >in a monthly payment.  I do not know what this formula is.  The monthly payment is really
>> >a car rental fee, and to this tagged on a use tax.  So although you save sales tax,
>> >you pay the use tax.  At the end of the lease, you pay the residual amount and officially
>> >this is when you buy the car.  So you have to pay the sales tax on the residual amount.
>>
>> This is where you are wrong.  If you decide to purchase the car for the 
>> residual at the end of the lease you don't pay sales tax on the residual, you
>> pay it on the original purchase price.  This is what most finance people at 
>> dealerships don't like to tell you, because it is a big negative.
>
>I find this difficult to believe.  But I shall do some research and
>make sure about it before posting again.  The reason this is difficult
>to believe is that nowhere in my contract is there an "original
>purchase price".  This price was used as a basis informally during
>negotiations, but my contract just says that I rent the car from the
>leasing company for $xxx per month + $xx use-tax, and that at the end
>of 4 years I have the option of buying the car for $xxxxx.  There is
>absolutely no mention of what the "original purchase price" is.  So
>how does the sales tax on the "original purchase amount" get decided?

Just because _your_ documents do not record the original purchase price of
the vehicle being leased does not mean that the paperwork that the leasing 
company has doesn't record it.  You better believe they are going to keep 
track of just how much they paid the dealership for it.  The following is
a quote from my sales manager, "Legally we are not obligated to disclose
the purchase price on any lease documents."  (I sell cars, this is where 
I get my information.)

Judi
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
From: mellum@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com
Subject: Re: Underdrive pullys - Any experiences?
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 18:28:35 GMT

Although my experience is not first hand, I do know several people that have
installed them on Buick Grand Nationals. They have seen zero performance
improvement in their 1/4 mile times. I also know someone that did a controlled
test at the track with these on a 5.0 Mustang. They saw performance gains in
the area of .003 seconds. So if you like the looks of them, and enjoy pulling
pulleys, go for it. From what I've seen, they aren't woth the money or effort.

Ron
mellum@skyler.mavd.honeywell.com
From: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Corvette's Passive Keyless Entry (PKE)
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:02:57 GMT
Reply-To: rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com
Organization: G.M. Research and Environmental Staff

In article 1dbh97INN5d7@armory.centerline.com, jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
|>[Original poster's name lost in followups]
|>> If you leave the key in the ignition and try to manually lock the doors,
|>> they will automatically unlock.  If you lock your keys and transmitter
|>> in the car by mistake and they are not in the ignition, you simply shake
|>> the car and the transmitter will "wake up" (it goes into a sleep mode
|>> after 25 seconds) and unlock the doors.
|>
|>It strikes me that it would be rather painful to try to get the car
|>open if you leave your lights on or otherwise run the battery dead.
|>
The PKE system is in addition to the normal key/lock operation.
Now if you lock your keys in and run the battery dead, you are in
trouble. 

|>Does the system use a passive system on the remote and an active
|>system in the car or vice-versa?  If it's active on the remote, what
|>happens when the battery dies?

PKE is "passive" in the sense that you don't have to push a button
to lock/unlock the car. But the remote (the fob) contains a battery
and transmits a signal indepently of whether or not it is in range of
the car. The fob goes to sleep when there is no motion in order to
conserve battery life.

|>
|>The system is interesting but I'm not wholly sure I'd trust it.

You don't really need to trust it, since you can always use the keys.
And you need at least the ignition key to start the car.

An interesting capability with a system like this is that each key fob
can have a different ID code which can be used to determine which
driver is using the car. Then the car can memorize personal preferences
such as seat position and automatically recall the preferences
for that driver when he/she opens the car.


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DISCLAIMER: Unless indicated otherwise, everything in this note is
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From: kimata@convex.com (Hiroki Kimata)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: here are the real Japanese car market numbers for 1990
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:31:35 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <Bwxx6t.Kw@knot.ccs.queensu.ca> cebuhar@QueensU.CA (Wen Cebuhar) writes:

>In article <1crfhuINNp6e@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:
>>Karl Nordstrom <KXN2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>>c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) says:
>>
>>>>        Top 10 sellers of 1990:
>>>>        -------------------------------
>>
>>>>     2. Toyota Marc II          222,000
>>>>     3. Toyota Crown            205,000
>>>>     4. Nissan Sunny            176,000
>>>>     5. Toyota Carina           176,000
>>>>     6. Toyota Corona           172,000
>>>>     8. Mazda Familia           122,000
>>>>     9. Toyota Starlet          121,000
>>>>    10. Toyota Sprinter         116,000
>>
>>>Are any of these imported to the USA, with or without a differnt name?
>>
>>The Corona and Starlet are, I've seen them on the street.
>Not any more.

>The Marc II and Crown (together with the Cresta) belong to the same family 
>as the Cressida.

Not exactly. Crown doesn't. Crown had been the most luxury car by 
Toyota until Lexas LS400 ,which is called Celsio in Japan, came out.
The latest model of Crown has the same V8,4L engine as LS400,I believe.

MarcII ,Cresta,and Chaser belong to the family,which all new model 
have just come out recently.

BTW,you may notice that the name of most Toyota cars sold in Japan 
begin with the letter C, such as ,
    Century,Celsio(LS400),Crown,Cresta(Cressida),Chaser,Camry,
    Celica,Corona,Carina,Collora,Cynos(Paseo),Corsa,ColloraII,Caribou

Few exceptions are just as follows;
    MarcII,Vista,Sprinter,Tersel,Starlet 

It is said that Toyota people believe in good omen for car whose name
begin with the letter C to be popular in the market.

Isn't that strange?
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From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Saturn Polymer Side Panels - How tough ??
Date: 8 Nov 92 03:11:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

> basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
>>mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>>As for structural integraty, all the body panels really do is give the car
>>its looks and make for its aerodynamics. Unlike other automobiles, the
>>Saturn has a steel cage frame that simply has the body panels attched to
>>it. So assuming this cage frame is structually sound, I would say that the
>>car is just as strong as any other car this size. The best comparison I can
>>think of is an airplane. An airplane is simply a frame structure that is
>>covered with body panels for aerodynamics and looks. Same thing for the
>>Saturn. 
>
>You may get some heat for this.  Airplanes get a significant fraction
>of their rigidity from their stressed skins.  That's why they rivet the
>skins every 2 cm or so.  It's also why they fail so spectacularly when
>they hit the ground, breaking into large sections as the forces change
>from distributed to local.

Yes, that is what I meant. What I should have said is the old type
airplanes that had a frame covered by a clothlike material. 

Sorry for the temporary lapse in brain activity...

Mike

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mark@wdcwdc.sps.mot.com (Mark Shaw)
Subject: Re: Annoying film on windshield
Organization: Motorola Western MCU Design Center, Chandler Arizona
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:46:56 GMT

In article <64590096@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com>, knotts@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Tom Knotts) writes:
|> What about that icky film that builds up on the inside of the window?
|> It gets so bad that I can write my name from insude the car. How does
|> one remove this film?

Use only water and a soft rag with lots of elbow grease.  Avoid using glass
"cleaners" as many leave a film of their own.  Whenever I buy a used car it
takes several treatments like this before it will finally behave itself and
stay clean.

The interior film is also aggravated by sun on the vinyl dash and cigarette
smoking in the car.  For the sun, buy one of those expandable shades.  For 
the smoking, well..........

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: GM's sickness
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:14:53 GMT

In article 9699@i88.isc.com, dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye ) writes:
>a long time ago I said:
>>>
>>>      Hmmm....as an self-proclaimed RWD fan, how can you embrace
>>>GM as your company of choice?  EVERYTHING, save for the 50's vintage
>>>live axle f-body/craprice-classic, has moved to FWD (yeah, the 'vette
>>>is one exception...how many per year?).
>>>
>>>      Ford/L-M is the only domestic car maker making a modern
>>>RWD passenger car, and you can now choose the DOHC 8 or the 50's
>>>pushrod 8.
>
>and somehow this got contorted into "Gm has more RWD models than
>Ford".  
>
>Let me clarify.  I am a RWD fan, but I prefer a suspension
>that rides well and does not kick out the rear end on rough
>surfaces (passenger cars) and doesn't suffer from axle tramp
>(high performance cars).  The technology to acheive these 
>parameters have been around forever...and many companies (mostly
>foreign) are using it in their RWD models (BMW, Mercedes, Nissan,
>Mazda, Infiniti, Toyota, Peugot, Ford Europe, probably many others).  
>It's called Independent Rear Suspension.  I'm not really a Ford
>head, but am pleased that at least one US manfacturer is making
>something up to date, even if it is only one model.  How
>about a RWD probe to compete with the nissan 240sx?  

Why not a new Mustang with IRS?

>An IRS firebird?

An IRS FIREBIRD would be the ultimate! I agree. 

IRS has been on the production 'VETTE since 1963!

I think GM is saving this from the F-car to keep 
the 'VETTE exclusive. The new F-cars are getting the
base Corvette motor, BTW. Imagine a car that performs
as well as a 'VETTE, rides nice, and has enough
room for two adults, one child and all their dreck...

Conflict of interest. This would limit the lifetime
of the Corvette as a marketable product. The only
redeeming features left of the Corvette would be
the 'glass body and the ZR-1 package.

Hmmm. Why doesn't GM do it right and put IRS on
the F-car, junk the base Corvette, and keep making
the ZR-1 to make it really exclusive! :)

Torque Monger 

From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 01:48:47 GMT
Subject: Re: ++JC WHITNEY SOUND EQUIP.-Any Good??++
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA