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From: song@iastate.edu (Chang-Hyeon Song)
Subject: Help! can't load /lib/libc.2.2.2
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 05:59:25 GMT

When I turn on my PC this evening, I found that it can't load /lib/xxx, and 
kept display the error message. So I booted off from floopy, and mounted HD.

I found that soemthing strange happed.  My /lib directory became unknow 
big file, which had permissions as " ?rwxr-xr-x ".  It was huge(over megabyte)
And there were some more file that became the same monster in /etc directory.
And I also found that the monsters are of the exact same size.

So i remove all the monsters, and copy corresponding /lib and /etc/xx from 
my floppy.  

After I did it, "pwd", "emacs", etc  executables kept saying 
Can't load library '/lib/libc.2.2.2'

Probably shared lib is gone now.  And My new X386(ATI card compatible) didn't
work either with the same error message.

Now, I have download GCC stuff from tsx-11.mit.edu, and installed them.
But there isn't any file called 'lib/libc.2.2.2'.  But gcc and other stuff 
seems to be working fine.

What did I do wrong?  Any suggestion?
Thanks in advance.

        +----------------------------------------------------------+
        |      Chang-Hyeon Song     |      song@iastate.edu        |
        |   Iowa State University   |       (515) 292-2209         |
        +----------------------------------------------------------+
From: tony@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Problems with KA9Q and SLIP
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:09:34 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <Sep.25.21.52.33.1992.4856@athos.rutgers.edu>, hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) writes:
> prv2d@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Peter Villadsen) writes:
> 
>>   We recently have installed a number of high-speed dialin
>>modems that run off a cisco server that supports SLIP. I
>>am attempting to use ka9q to establish a SLIP connect thru
>>my UNIX box at home. Here are the details:
>>   My setup is as follows:   386/25 8 megs of RAM
>>                             65meg Linux Partition
>>                             Supra V32bis running on serial
>>                                          line #2
> 
> You have two symptoms: 
>  - connections open but then hang
>  - you can't get to certain destinations.
> 
> 1) I suspect that you have incompatible settings for compression or
> MTU.  Unless you are running the very latest Cisco software (which is
> still in beta), you probably don't have support for compressed Slip.
> Please check the "attach" command.  It should say
> 
>   attach asy 0 /dev/... slip sl0 2048 1500 <speed>
> 

I found an mss of greater than 1000 caused severe problems.  You have defined 
the ip address of your name server ? eg.

domain add [129.67.1.0]

post your startup.net if you can't resolve the problems ...

Tony
From: "richard hajinlian" <richard.hajinlian@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: linux wk with adaptec
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:30:01 EST
Reply-To: "richard hajinlian" <richard.hajinlian@channel1.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

Will linux work with my Adaptec 1542b?  I looked around this newsgroup
and it seems some people are having a hard time with this configuration.
Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks.
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: why "time a.out" does not work?
Date: 3 Oct 92 07:51:58 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

gthaker@fergie.dnet.ge.com (Gautam H. Thaker) writes:
>I am running LInux 0.96c. Why does the bash shell not understand
>the "time a.out" command (where a.out is some valid command)? 

time is not a builtin command in Bash (at least the version which I
have).  (There is a builtin times, but that does something else.)  You
need an external time command (i.e. /usr/bin/time or something).  I do
not know if one has been ported to or written for Linux.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi
From: carl@boxelder.Berkeley.EDU (Carl vonLoewenfeldt)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Summary of: What tape drives work with Linux
Keywords: Maynard Gateway
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:55:39 GMT
Reply-To: carl@boxelder.Berkeley.EDU (Carl vonLoewenfeldt)
Organization: IBM Boulder, Colorado

I have discovered that the Gateway 2000's offered internal floppy-tape
backup drive
is a Maynard model 5580i, capable (under DOS) of 250MB with compression,
and supplied
with QICstream backup software.

There has been some (limited) discussion in this forum about the writing
of a device
driver to support such a floppy-tape drive under LINUX. Is anybody
actually working
on such a project?

I'm trying to get in touch with Maynard technical support to request the
data necessary
to write such a driver. Has anybody else had success with such a
request? (If interested,
Maynard's toll-free number is 1-800-821-8782.Like most suppliers, they
are VERY busy.)

Carl vonLoewenfeldt
(303) 924-9202
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Help please: upgrading MCC Interim of some time ago to .97pl4
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:03:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu) writes:

>You can find copies of all the docs about compiler/library on tsx-11 under
>pub/linux/GCC. Any suggestions about better locations?

pub/linux/packages/GCC is fine.  I'd say that as long as README points
to everything you need, then you're OK.  My concern was your
implication that we had to save a news posting, or the information
would disappear.  If you put it into the README, or have README point
to it, then people who missed the posting will still be OK.

Enough people (including me) find the GCC installation confusing that
it might be worth some thought about improving it.  One problem is
that GCC is typically broken into files with some ambiguity as to
whether you need them or not.  E.g. binutils.  Things are even more
interesting in the latest release, with bin4, usrbin4, and usrlib4.
I'd suggest having subdirectories in the release area, probably bin,
src, and other.  Bin should include exactly that set of files that you
need to have a complete GCC and library, and installation documents.
As I recall, this includes binutils, libdp, lib41, jump41, inc-4.1,
and 222d7.TZ.  Src should include sources and diffs.  Other should
include everything else, including bin4, usrbin4, usrlib4.  If you
think you're likely to start releasing the libraries and compiler
separately, then I'd suggest separate bin subdirectories, so you can
tell people "I've just updated libc.  The compiler hasn't changed, so
you just need the stuff in bin.libc".
From: "richard hajinlian" <richard.hajinlian@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: life after unix
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:35:37 EST
Reply-To: "richard hajinlian" <richard.hajinlian@channel1.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

I know...i'm a lil nervous about this unix stuff but ... being an off
the shelf cp/m, dos, win, os2 guy...can I still use my dos/win/os2 pgms
under linux (I wish) or do I create a linux partition?  Either way I
can't loose.  I'm just curious.

I'm an MVS and VMS programmer looking to get into the unix world on my
personal pc cheep.  So i'm not looking for the world in Linux, just
looking for what changes I'm going to notice and live with.

Thanks in advance people.
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: klode@syslab.csd.uwo.ca (Claude Morin)
Subject: Re: HELP, Cannot boot DOS on hard disk after LINUX installation
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:37:17 GMT

In article <BvK257.IJr@world.std.com> jgifford@world.std.com (Why Linux? Why Not?) writes:
>Have you tried dos 5.0's fdisk /mbr?  That is what I ended up doing. ;)
>It seems that DOS 5.0 likes to be the ONLY OS to edit the partition table.
>Chalk it up to 'Yet Another Microsoft Thing'  ;)

Using 'fdisk /mbr' rewrites the DOS (M)aster (B)oot (R)ecord, but does not touch
the partition table.  It's useful for such things as removing shoelace from
your hard disk.  If using it (fdisk /mbr) worked for you, the problem lay in
your MBR, not your partition table.

I'm running DOS 5.0 on a disk partitioned entirely with linux's fdisk.  Here's
my partition table:
	slot 1:	DOS 40 MB *marked active*
	slot 2: linux ext fs 6 MB	/
	slot 3: linux swap 8 MB
	slot 4: linux ext fs 26 MB	/usr

I seem to recall rumblings about DOS 5.0 insisting that the DOS partition be
in partition table slot 1.  I haven't verified this, since I happened to set
it up this way the first time I did it.
---
Claude Morin
(that's "klode", NOT "clod"...French :-)
London, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: runefr@ifi.uio.no (Rune Fr|ysa)
Subject: Re: Great marketing (Was Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?)
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:29:33 GMT
Originator: runefr@sognsvann.ifi.uio.no


In article <KETIL.92Sep30154405@linerle.ii.uib.no>, ketil@linerle.ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde) writes:
> In article <3747@eastman.UUCP> talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley) writes:
> 
> 
>    [345]86 platforms will die out?  No, I disagree.  DOS, maybe, but not the
>    hardware.
> 
> Oh, they will.  Or should...the chips are archaic, I'd swap them for
> almost anything with a clean design any day.  But they'll probably
> hang around for a few years yet...not to mention that there's a lot of
> them around, that won't just disappear over night.
  
According to a seminar held by Toivo Rojder, Technical Marketing Manager,
Intel Scandinavia, the Micro 2000 (the chip intel releases around 2000)
will have 6 processors (including 2 vector and 1 multimedia prosessor),
will run at 250MHz, with 2000 Drystone MIPS, AND .. here it comes:
IT WILL CONTAIN A 386!!!!!!!

> 
> BTW, isn't the p5 going to be RISC with x86 emulation?  Rumors have it
> so, I think.
> 

Well, he said that the P5 would have Superscalar RISC tecnology, and 
Optimizing Compilers... and he stressed that intel in the furure would
implement the best from RISC and this other technology, in other words
the new chips actually were of a type he called CRISC.


--------------------------------
runefr@ifi.uio.no
From: talley@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:22:25 GMT
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY

In article <1af47iINN8g7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:
>
>In a previous article, system@kryton.UUCP (Scott Beckstead) says:
>>> and many now consider it dead.  It certainly isn't - there's still a huge fol
>>> lowing - but it's not as "alive" as it could/should be.
>>>
>>Being an amiga owner I have to agree here.  Not dead merely sleeping.
>>
>
>is it just me, or does it seem that Amiga owners are the most fanatical
>of all???? :)

Probably, although I know some pretty fanatical Mac owners.  It could have
something to do with lots of people investing lots of money in lots of hardware
that becomes obsolete too soon (with the exception of the Amiga's video stuff!)
and knowing that it's essentially a great machine - better than MS-DOS-based
systems - yet not being able to convince anyone.  How's that for an incoherent
sentence?  Anywho, Commodore is to blame, not Amiga owners.  They're just
calling things as they see them.  The Amiga *is* a nice piece of hardware, but
it's falling behind the times.

>The ones here at CWRU constantly scream about their blitters, etc.

When the Amiga was introduced, I bought one and was a fanatic. Try as I
might, peecee and mac owners (less so for mac owners) would not believe me
when I said the Amiga was a serious system.

Now, of course, PC hardware is cheaper and there's software like Linux. As a
result, I spent money on a new PC clone rather than getting my Amiga 2000
fixed.

>was a good machine in its time, as was my old Atari 400 with B-keyboard.
>Damn I hated that original template thing :)

Yeah, it was good for it's time. As for the Atari 400...at least it was
dishwasher-safe. :) :) :)

>Later
>
>--
>MaThiEu a. LeWis    "ask me why and i'll die/and if you must go to work
>Thieves Like Us      tomorrow/well, if i were you i wouldn't bother/for there
>mal11@po.cwru.edu    are brighter sides to life/and I should know because I've
>                     seen them/but not very often/am I still ill?"

--Brian
__________
Brian Talley, Systems Consultant, Eastman Kodak Research Labs, Rochester, NY
talley@acadia.kodak.com
Xref: sparky comp.os.linux:12172 comp.unix.bsd:6653
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd
Subject: 386BSD vs Linux
From: Bill.Viggers@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Bill Viggers)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:45:04 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.



	Okay, somewhere out there, I take it there is a nice
	comparasion between Linux and 386BSD.

	In paticular I'm interested in the space requiriments,
	and the tape drives that they support.
	Also the space taken up by an Xinterface, and which
	video cards are supported by the various X's.
	And of course anything else that people may have to 
	add about the virtues of their choice :-)

Bill
From: tdunbar@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Where's Linus
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:41:40 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA


 dont know, but the v 98 kernel has been posted at nic.
From: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: trick in applying patches and recompiling
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:15:48 GMT
Reply-To: mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu



i discovered last weekend that when applying patches 1 through 6 in
0.97 and compiling with gcc 2.2.2d, it is necessary to get the basic
0.97 source code on line, remove -nostdinc -I from the Makefile and
do a 'make dep' before you apply ANY patches. If you apply patch1 and
then make dep, it fails 'near done' about halfway through.

Hopefully this will help out some beginners. I wish I knew why this
were so though. Good luck.

-- 
MaThiEu a. LeWis    "ask me why and i'll die/and if you must go to work
Thieves Like Us      tomorrow/well, if i were you i wouldn't bother/for there
mal11@po.cwru.edu    are brighter sides to life/and I should know because I've
                     seen them/but not very often/am I still ill?"
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: minyard@crchh453.bnr.ca (Corey Minyard)
Subject: 0.98.1 and Logitech busmice
Reply-To: minyard@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 18:01:04 GMT

I just upgraded to 0.98.1 and my busmouse stopped working.  I get a segment
violation (it seems in the kernel, no core dump) whenever I attempt to open
the bus mouse (major 10, minor 0).  It works fine in 0.98. I have done some 
simple debugging; this is what I have found:

   printk()'s in the kernel show it is happening in the call to request_irq().
      in the logitech mouse_open() routine.
   Commenting out the other busmice initialization makes no difference.
   Removing the SCSI drivers (except for the aha1542) makes no difference.

I can't seem to find what is wrong.  I am currently using a 2 button serial
mouse, it works fine (except it only has 2 buttons.  Any help would be MUCH 
appreciated.

My stats:
  Linux 0.98.1 booting from floppy
  386/33 clone
  Adaptec 1542 with Fujitsu 600Mb drive and Viper tape drive.
  5-1/4" floppy and QIC-40 tape drive on floppy controller.
  COM1 - IRQ4
  COM2 - IRQ3
  COM3 - IRQ9
  Logitech busmouse on STB Powergraph combo board - IRQ5

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Corey Minyard
minyard@bnr.ca
From: francois@femur.ai.mit.edu (Charles Francois)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: (Newbie+X+Laptop)=>loosing more hair
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:52:10 GMT


	Thanks to those who replied to my message last week!

	Everybody was advising the new Xega, and ... well, I am still
pulling my hair out.  The new Xega did not do anything new on my
Laptop (Texas Instrument 3000 WinSX).  In fact it does not work as
well as the regular X386.  The Xega display is very bad, and, anyway,
it could not be any better than X386.  I really think that my Laptop
can do more than EGA:

	I have this problem of trash appearing in the 51 first pixel
rows of the screen when I drag the mouse pointer into that area.  This
holds for 640x480 resolution.  Now, if I use the virtual resolution
800x600, the "blackout zone" is only 41 pixels high.  This tells me
that there is more than 256k on video ram on the TI.  I also suspect
that there are some overlapping problems with the video memory,
because 51 * 640 ~= 800 * 41 ~= 0x8000

	In fact:

- syschk.exe finds a wd90c10 (normally Paradise 256k) with 728k.

- X386v1.1 finds a "pvga1" (== pvga1a or pvga1b, I suppose) with 1024k.

- The manual of the 3000 WinSX speaks about a 1024x768x16 mode, and
also about a 680x480x256 mode, that both require 512k.  These modes
are only available for external monitors though.

	Paradise.doc that you can find at tsx-11 describes several
chips : pvga1a, wd90c00 also called pvga1b, wd90c10, wd90c11.  The
ones that match the more closely (but not completely) what my manual
says are the wd90c00 and the pvga1a.

	So here is my question:

	The VGA BIOS extension of the 3000 WinSX is copyrighted
Quadtel 90c20.  Does that means that there exist some wd90c20 paradise
chip?  And if yes, is it supported by the current release of X386?

        Do I have some weird video chip from behind the barn?

							 - Charles -


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: david@ods.com (David Engel)
Subject: Re: Q: What is /usr/bin/doshell good for ???
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:18:11 GMT

Wolfram Schlickenrieder (schli@cs.tu-berlin.de) wrote:
: 	The subject says it all: I found /usr/bin/doshell, but I
: 	didn't find any manpage for it. What the hack does it do?

doshell forks and execs a program (typically a shell) on another tty.
When you boot directly to a root shell without using init/getty/login,
ala HJ's bootable rootdisks and the early Linux rootdisks, doshell is
the only way to start a shell on another virtual console.

David
-- 
David Engel                        Optical Data Systems, Inc.
david@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: jefftep@cs.utexas.edu (Jeffrey Grills)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Weird disk corruption (tar off msdos partition)
Date: 4 Oct 1992 00:50:59 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: ozona.cs.utexas.edu

In article <3835@ra.nrl.navy.mil> eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) writes:
>In article <lcrnvkINN1s3@ozona.cs.utexas.edu> jefftep@cs.utexas.edu (Jeffrey Grills) writes:
>>
>>I managed to corrupt my filesys, so I was going to restore it from
[...]
>
>	PLEASE PLEASE.  Tell us what version of the kernel you are using.
[...]
>
>-- 
>Eric Youngdale

I always manage to forget some important detail posting about things.  ugh.
Well, here's my info again:

  intel 386/33
  5 mb ram, 7mb swap
  root fs is minix
  linux 0.98 
    compiled by me, gcc jump 4.1
    no scsi, no tcp/ip
  921001.tz is about 15mb
  tseng 4000 1mb video
  ami bios
  maxtor 7213a hd (never had any timeouts)
  ran backup/restore as root
  using cat/tar/compress from root.97.1 image

I think there is some underlying problem.  I've had tons of things weird 
happen that have never had real solutions discovered for.  For instance,
I think but cannot verify the following accusations:

  I've compared 2 files multiple times, getting 3 different results from cmp
  I'm one of the people that gets Signal 11 from gcc/cc1 (still on occasion)
  I've had the kernel complain about "swap weirdness" once (something like that)
  I've done the cat|uncompress|tar thing and had tar complain about a bad input
    file, only to try it again, with no changes, and have it work fine

I've seen evidence of these even with my cache memory turned off.
It's not consistent, but it does happen now and then, just enough to
be truely frustrating.

The gcc problems with signal 11 got much better after 0.97pl4, but I still
get them occasionally.  Maybe patches 1-4 did something magic.  I wish I
knew more, but scholastic requirements keep me from checking things out
more fully.

-- 
-------------------------+--------------------------------------------------
jeff grills              | "Sometimes i see myself so clearly, because I
jefftep@cs.utexas.edu    |   see nothing at all.  This feeling of emptiness
Undergrad Lab, UT Austin |   flees my soul, leaving even less behind."  -me
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jonathan@nova.next.nd.edu (Jonathan Bradshaw)
Subject: Who is working on TCP/IP?
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:23:19 GMT

Color me stupid by who is working on TCP/IP for Linux and who has the darn
thing working under .98?  At this point, I would be THRILLED to get a
"telnet mymachine" even working... all I get is: 

telnet thevoid
Trying...
telnet: socket: Invalid argument

telnet xyzname
xyzname: host lookup failure

Which aint suprising because all my rc.net file does it spit back
"socket: Invalid argument" no matter what I give it.

Simple solution? Great... its 1:22am and I'm about finished!

Sorry people... back to your regular stuff.. <tired grin>

--
 Jonathan Bradshaw | jonathan@nova.decio.nd.edu -or- jbradsh2@darwin.cc.nd.edu
  Packet: n9oxe@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na | Prodigy: XMSN02B | (Os/2)(DOS)(Linux)
  WNDU-AM/FM/TV South Bend, IN | Disclaimer "My opinions are not my employers"
  - "Busy life, not enough time to look in the mirror." - Deborah Ann Gibson -
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: david@prism.demon.co.uk (David Metcalfe)
ReplyTo: david@prism.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: ed in linux
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.16 $
Organization: ** none **
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:51:37 +0000


In article <1992Sep27.021858.11085@utstat.uucp> rafal@utstat.uucp (Rafal Kustra (summer student)) writes:

> In article <1992Sep26.143039.2893@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> int177c@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Jae Won) writes:
> >hi.
> >
> >     I was trying to do a make depend on this X software and make depend gave
> >me this
> >Appending dependencies to Makefile
> >ed: command not found
> >
> >Umm, am I missing something here?
> 
> Yes, at least one program - ed.
> Get ed.c from tsx-11.mit.edu somewhere in sources.
> (ed is a most known (and unused) editor for unix - it's
> line-oriented.)
> 
< .sig deleted >

Has any one managed to compile ed.c from tsx-11 so that it works
correctly?  It contains 4 lines with illegal syntax along the lines
of

map[c >> 3] &= ^(1 << (c & 0x07));

The ^ operator is a binary operator not a unary one in all compilers
I have come across.  Unfortunately, I haven't been able to produce a
correctly working ed after converting these lines to what I thought
was correct code.

Can anyone post patches or place a working binary on tsx-11.

David

-----------------------------------------------------
David Metcalfe          david@prism.demon.co.uk     
+44 81 361 3327         dmetcalf@cix.compulink.co.uk
From: eddy@aludra.usc.edu (George Edmond Eddy)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Great marketing (Was Re: BYTE asks, is UNIX dead?)
Date: 1 Oct 1992 12:26:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

billp@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Bill Parquet) writes:

>No doubt.  I like the way microsoft makes the idea of having a graphical
>operating system that runs on a variety of platforms.  Sounds like
>they're trying to re-invent X-Windows... except without a powerful
>command line interface.  Dragging icons around is nice, but its not an
>effecient way to get things done.
>-- 

it can actually be a pain in the arse alot of times!

>billp@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu
>---
># rm -r /msdos /os2 /windows.nt

- rusty

-- 
eddy@usc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux