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From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: Welcome - final
Summary: Thought you'd have the last word, did you?
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 00:34:04 GMT

> michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:

>I'm not sure how your "jumping on me" fits to the "tolerancy
>of this group". Does it?
>...........................
>Saki, I admire your knowledge and I'm sure you've read even
>a billion of books. But you see, not all of us are perfect.
>...................
>You see, I'm just a simple high energy physicist 

Who "jumped" first?

An apology (if that) given in such a condescending tone says a lot
about your basic nature.  You aren't, perhaps, carrying a little
arrogance around in that ole kit bag of yours, are you?

I've always found it a good idea, when first subscribing to a newsgroup, to 
hold off posting for a week or two or however long it takes to get a feel
for the nature of the group.  You appear to have just barged in and 
expected this newsgroup to conform to your way of thinking.

You couldn't be more wrong in your appraisal of this group and, in particular,
of saki's postings.

This newsgroup has been almost free of anomosity since it's inception.  You're 
being "jumped on" by some of us for trying to break that cycle. Please
be patient and get to know the nature of this group before you go
jabbing at it with your pointy stick.

>................................................Do you want
>to make a hermetically closed, elitary group of 6 people
>out of r.m.b.?  If not, don't object about silly questions!

Michal, please note that saki has been posting these welcome messages for
four years or more (by my recollection).  In all that time I have never
seen one torched.

This is a large, established, open minded, and basically polite group that is 
open to anyone's questions, speculations, or information.  Read it for a while 
and see for yourself.

--
  *************************************************************************
     Chuck Anderson                uucp    :         uunet!nyx!canderso
     Boulder, Co. (303) 494-6278   internet:         canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatlefest? Did anybody attend???
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:11:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I recently got my Beatlefest Catalog (for $1.00, call 1-800-BEATLES)
full of neat Beatle things, more stuff than even * I * would ever be 
interested in owning.  

The convention was supposed to be the weekend of August 21-23 in chicago-
and I haven't seen a thing on it yet!

Did * ANYBODY * go to this?  Has anyone ever in the past gone to these?

I was thinking of making plans to attend next summers in Chicago, but would 
like to know if it is worthwhile or not.

Somebody out there has to know at least a little bit of information.

Thanks in advance-I'll be looking for posts.

Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland

PS: I have also heard that they have one of these in the Spring in NY/NJ, 
and one in California in the Fall. So, I'll even take reviews of those as 
well.
From: David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Brian Epstein
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:30:11 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0d57@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I believe today is the 25th anniversary of his death.
R.I.P.

David
david.t.greenfield@dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: John acting being shot (was Re: Yoko Background Vocals)
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:36:13 GMT

In article <harold.714829122@ccl.umist.ac.uk> harold@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers) writes:
>In <1992Jul31.011535.16059@leland.Stanford.EDU> raindrop@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathaniel Michael Pearson) writes:
>

>Finally, I have just finished reading (long after it first appeared) the
>Fred Seaman kiss-n-tell. I had `boycotted' it for a while, because the
>Preface pays tribute to G**man and his so-called biography. But in the
>end I couldnt resist it, as it has some really neat photos in it. Anyway,
>having read the whole thing, and taking into account the fact that he
>obviously has a score to settle with Yoko, I found the book frankly very
>plausible: it seems John was leading a really lonely and pathetic life up
>until he went (was sent) to bermuda and started writing again. What does
>anyone else think of the Seaman book?

While less viscious then the Goldman book, I still had little use for 
"Frederic" Seaman's Lennon bio.  It seems (to me) that Seaman was trying
to worm his way back into the good graces of Lennon / Beatles fans worldwide
by telling the "kindler and gentler" version of basically the same stories
he told to Albert Goldman.  Further, his "explanation" that he stole Lennon's
diaries to deliver them to Julian is plain fiction.  The afterword also fails
to indicate his reasons for stealing other marketable possesions of Lennon's
such as his work tapes, and sketchbooks.

Incidentally, for those Yoko-haters out there, news in this month's 
"Beatles Book":
--

   Albert Goldman and Frederic Seaman have teamed up again to write an 
unauthorized biography of Yoko Ono.  Do not expect a pretty portrayal of
her story.  The working title alone, _Black Widow_ reveals the authors' angle,
as does publicity hype that announces the book will "reveal her private life
in unprecedented detail."  US publishing rights have been bought by Simon &
Schuster for "a healthy five-figure sum" (this is the real scandal of these
ghastly books; authors who do not wallow in the grimy depths rarely earn more
than a fraction of such amounts).  Publication is planned for the early summer
of 1994, with a subsequent paperback edition by Pocket Books.

--

<ESC>
-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
From: jbeer@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jason R. Beerhalter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:23:38 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <16854CCF3.RJS@USLVM.USL.EDU> RJS@USLVM.USL.EDU writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.173702.25912@brtph560.bnr.ca>
>n5ppm264 (Charlie Board) writes:
>
>>
>>This weekend i bougt the new 2-CD Elmore James package "King Of The Slide
>>Guitar" (a fantastic collection btw). Anyway, on the way home I a beatle song
>>snippet popped into my head. It's a spoken aside right after a guitar solo,
>>in which George(?) says something like "Elmore James got nothing on this
>>fellow".  can anyone tell me which song this was? It's been bugging me for 2
>>days now. Thanks.
>>
>I think that it's from Old Brown Shoe.

Nope. It's from For You Blue.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams)
Subject: Extra Textureless(Read All About It)
Keywords: harrison
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:25:21 GMT


Frankly, I'm a bit worried about apples and oranges.....

Upon purchasing the Harrison Extra Texture CD I noticed that(unlike the  
LP) it was textureless, used a regular apple instead of an apple core on  
the 'label', and the color was a completely wrong shade of orange. Does
anyone have an explanation...if this had been a Beatles(group) album none
of this would have been allowed...Was Capitol(?) unwilling to spare the  
expense of the texture and the right colored dye on this album a second  
time. Extra Texture seems a kind of pointless title without the extra  
texture(can you Imagine the Sgt Pepper's cover without the Sgt. Pepper's  
LHC Band?) 
Oh, well...the music is still the same(it's even better without the  
skips). I happen to like it ya know even if it is a little more melancholy  
than other Harrison albums. Has anyone else even heard or heard of this  
album? Around here (wherever that is) I sometimes wonder whether anyone  
else has even heard of George Harrison and from what I've read some of you  
who post would rather not hear of him.
   
Still comparing apples and oranges,
        
-williasr@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
------------------------------------------------------
"Scan not a friend with a microscopic glass, you know his faults now let  
his foibles pass"--Crisp,Harrison
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: gdridle@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Guy D. Ridley)
Subject: Re: Extra Textureless(Read All About It)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:50:39 GMT
Keywords: harrison

In article <1992Sep1.002521.26143@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams) writes:
> 
> Frankly, I'm a bit worried about apples and oranges.....
> 
> Upon purchasing the Harrison Extra Texture CD I noticed that(unlike the  
> LP) it was textureless, used a regular apple instead of an apple core on  
> ...
> Oh, well...the music is still the same(it's even better without the  
> skips). I happen to like it ya know even if it is a little more melancholy  
> than other Harrison albums. Has anyone else even heard or heard of this  
> album? 

Of course.  I got it the week it was released!  I've always thought
it was underrated, too.  My favorite is Tired of Midnight Blue.  Great song,
IMHO.  Why has no one covered it? But it did suffer like the previous 
two albums from having too many slow songs.
 
Guy Ridley

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: galuska@oz.asel.udel.edu (Scott Galuska)
Subject: Re: greatest hits on cd?
Organization: AI duPont Institute
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:42:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.132121.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:

>	I've been looking, not very systematically for the two, two volume 
>sets of the beatles greatest hits. I think one is called 1964 - 1968 and
>the other takes up where the first left off.  Anway, I've been trying to 
>find these on CD. I wonder if the stores are just always out of stock or 
>whether they exist?  If not, any ideas when they'll come out on CD?

Ah, you mean the 'Red' (1962-66) and 'Blue' (1967-1970) double albums.  They
have not been issued on CD yet.  At one point in time, (last December, I
believe) they were supposed to have been issued on CD, but the idea was 
scuttled (by Apple, I believe).

Best you can do is find a cassette copy....

-- 
Scott Galuska
Dept. of Computer & Info. Science        "There's no crying in baseball!"
Univ of Delaware
galuska@asel.udel.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: Live track on The Beatles Story
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 19:48:34 GMT

In article <7153836692852@c00481-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
>It's "Twist and Shout" (I think) from the '64 Hollywood Bowl concert.
>The '65 "Twist and Shout" is on the Hollywood Bowl LP (again, I think--
>the tune on The Beatles Story is a version of a tune from the 
>Hollywood Bowl LP from the other concert).

Correct. "The Beatles Story" was released on Capitol as a double LP,
filled manly with voiceover admixed with interviews and concert
material from the first Hollywood Bowl date. Release was 11/23/64.
Interviews originated mainly from their first U.S. tour. The "Twist
And Shout" version heard here supposedly comes from the Aug. 23 '64
H'wood Bowl event.

Interesting to recall that these tapes existed for some years before
being released (cleaned up and arranged out of sequence with the original
playlist); it makes sense that Capitol would have used a bit of them for
what was essentially a promotional record. As I recall, the sponsoring
radio station in the L.A. area, KRLA, also used a clip of the first H'Wood
Bowl concert for station promos and the like, especially the intro and
fist song, but I don't know where they got a copy. Perhaps they had some
arrangement with George Martin/Bowl engineers/Capitol to get a soundboard
copy...or perhaps it was "unauthorized". :-)
--
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"I've read millions of books. That's why I seem to know things."
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saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)
From: Val.Thomas@f99.n121.z1.FidoNet.Org (Val Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "All This and World War II"?
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:37:04 GMT

All This & WW II was put out by Wil Malone & Lou Reizner.  The song and artist list is Magical Mystery Tour-Ambrosia
        Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds - Elton John
        Golden Slumers/Carry That Weight - The Bee Gees
        I Am The Walrus - Leo Sayer
        She's leqaving Home - Bryan Ferry
        Lovely Rita - Roy Wood
        When I'm 64 - Keith Moon
        Get Back - Rod Stewart
        Let It Be - Leo Sayer
        Yesterday - David Essex
        With a Little Help/Nowwhere Man-Jeff Lynne
        Because - Lynsey De Paul
        She Came In Through The Bathroom Window - The Bee Gees
        Michelle - Richard Cocciante
        We Can Work It Out - The Four Seasons
        The Fool On The Hill - Helen Reddy
        Maxwell's Silver Hammer - Frankie Laine
        Polythene Pam - Roy Wood
        Hey Jude - The Brothers Johnson
        Sun King - The Bee Gees
        Getting Better - Status Quo
        The Long And Winding Road - Leo Sayer
        Help - Henry Gross
        Strawberry Fields Forever - Peter Gabriel
        A Day In The Life 0 Franki Valli
        Come Together - Tina Turner
        You Never Give Me Your Money/The End - London Symphony Orchestra

Most of the cuts are pretty pedestrian, except for the Elton John, Rod Stewart, Tina Turner, and Keith Moon selections - all which saw the light of day of the commercial charts.  The film itself makes pretty weird watching - black and white war footage with Beatlesong background music.  However, "to each his own," said the lady as she kissed the cow!

 * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:45:07 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Aug31.173702.25912@brtph560.bnr.ca> n5ppm264 (Charlie Board) writes:

>This weekend i bougt the new 2-CD Elmore James package "King Of The Slide
>Guitar" (a fantastic collection btw). Anyway, on the way home I a beatle song
>snippet popped into my head. It's a spoken aside right after a guitar solo,
>in which George(?) says something like "Elmore James got nothing on this
>fellow".  can anyone tell me which song this was? It's been bugging me for 2
>days now. Thanks.

The song was 'For You Blue' from _Let It Be_.
BTW, my impression was "Elmore James got nothing on this baby! (laughter)"
I think someone else yelped or something just before the laughter.

						James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Live track on The Beatles Story
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:41:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.163424.9277@pbhya.PacBell.COM> 
gdridle@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Guy D. Ridley) writes:
>The Beatles Story (that 2-LP Capitol documentary album, c. 1964) has one
>(partial) live track.  Does anyone know which concert that's from?

It's "Twist and Shout" (I think) from the '64 Hollywood Bowl concert.
The '65 "Twist and Shout" is on the Hollywood Bowl LP (again, I think--
the tune on The Beatles Story is a version of a tune from the 
Hollywood Bowl LP from the other concert).

--
Jay C. Smith
Domain/internet: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu  uucp: ...!mcnc!ncsuvx!eos!jcsmith
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"Good.  For a minute I thought we were in trouble."
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: demes@chopin.udel.edu (James A Demes)
Subject: Re: Is there an FTP site or Library book with Beatles Lyrics?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 04:03:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.014721.22794@math.ucla.edu> dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
>In article <19AUG199210202541@rosie.uh.edu> st1lv@rosie.uh.edu (McLeod, Stephen) writes:
>>I use songs heavily in my D&D campaign (the players like it when they get it
>>and most the time they don't) and I was wondering if there is a location 
>>from which beatles or other lyrics can be FTP'd from?  As a back up, is there
>>a book that I could look up in the Library?
>Most sites (in particular those dedicated to Beatles information) 
>steer clear of posting extensive lyrics transcriptions. It takes
>a lot of time to accomplish; and it's a violation of copyright
>laws. But I understand that one site (cs.uwp.edu, in file pub/music/lyrics)
>has some Beatles lyrics for those who want to brave the mysteries of
>FTP.
>For a permanent reference, I recommend Campbell and Murphy's "Things
>We Said Today" (1980; Pierian Press/Popular Culture Ink), which
>contains not only a set of lyrics but a concordance to the words
>used in all Beatles songs (if you were so moved, you could look
>up "love" in all its permutations across the Beatles' lyrical
>pantheon). This helpful tome is available from the Beatlefest
>people (1-800-BEATLES).
>---------------------------------------saki (dmac@math.ucla.edu)

Also available from Beatlefest are two other lyric books:
THE COMPLETE BEATLES LYRICS - Just published in the US.
                              I believe the new price is only $14.00
THE BEATLES ILLUSTRATED LYRICS - Lyrics & artwork - $21.50

And THINGS WE SAID TODAY is $40.00

If you want one of Beatlefest's newest catalogs, write to
BEATLEFEST
PO Box 436
Westwood, NJ 07675

and send them $1 for shipping.

--
Jim Demes  (demes@brahms.udel.edu or demes@freezer.cns.udel.edu)
From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Revolution 9, woman says?
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:32:46 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep2.220145.20627@muddcs.claremont.edu> karaki@jarthur.claremont.edu (Kurt*z* S. Araki) writes:
>Does anybody out there know what the woman says after "Take this brother
>may it serve you well." She speaks for awhile and ends it with "you
>become naked." Anyway, thanks in advance.

Isn't this Yoko?  I always thought it was ...
-- 
David Prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu
677 Cary Quadrangle
West Lafayette, IN  47906-4243
(317) 495-2843
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 1992 10:50:51 -0400 
From: "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: I'm Down

According to Lewisohn in the PMVol.1 notes, I'm Down was recorded at the
same session as Yesterday (certainly showing Paul at his greatest, and
at his greatest extremes). But I've always understood that Paul was the
only one there for Yesterday, and yet I'm Down surely contains all 4
Boys. What's the deal?

JMR
HSK
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen)
Subject: Re: First Ringo Album
Organization: Little to none, or maybe not......
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:01:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.000430.12655@pellns.alleg.edu> mccombj@alleg.edu (Joseph McCombs) writes:
>In article <17m5u1INNaal@agate.berkeley.edu> spanga@yocomputo (Span Grad  
>Asst) writes:
>> I'm following discussion of Ringo Starr's albums. Didn't Ringo
>> release a 1971 album before "Ringo" in 1973 that consisted of
>> remakes of old 50s songs. 
>> Does anyone know the name of this album? I don't believe it was
>> the commercial blockbuster that "Ringo" in 1973 was.
>> Dan Landis  spanga@athena.berkeley.edu  ______sig.alert______
>
>I do recall reading something to this effect in Peter Brown's Beatle bio.   
>(I know, not the best source, but...)  Anyway, I don't have the book here,  
>but I believe it said he recorded "Love Is a Many-Splendoured Thing" as  
>well as other such songs -- as only his inimitable voice could render  
>them, of course -- but the album title escapes me.  But I do remember that  
>its release, scheduled for somewhere in 1970, was voluntarily held off for  
>a while so as not to directly compete with "Let It Be" and Macca's first  
>solo effort (a move which didn't work).
>

Sentimental Journey: Apple SW-3365; April 24, 1970

Sentimental Journey, Night and Day, Whispering Grass (Don't Tell the Trees),
Bye Bye Blackbird, I'm a fool to care, Stardust, Blue - Turning Grey over You,
Love is a Many Splendoured Thing, Dream, You Always Hurt the Ones You Love,
Have I Told You lately That I Love You, Let the Rest of the World Go By

-- Twenty years before Linda Rondstadt tried it, Ringo's first solo release
was this collection of standards from the pre-rock era.  Airplay was minimal,
but the name Ringo Starr carried the record to #22 on Billboard.

[ For the record, McCartney was released on April 20, 1970; and Let It Be was
released on May 18, 1970 ]
----------------------------

Beaucoups of Blues: Apple SMAS-3368; September 28, 1970

Beaucoups of Blues, Love Don't Last Long, Fastest Growing Heartache in the 
West, Without Her, Woman of the Night, I'd Be Talking all the Time, $15 Draw,
Wine - Women - and Loud Happy Songs, I Wouldn't Have You Any other Way, Loser's
Lounge, Waiting, Silent Homecoming

-- Ringo's second solo album was an abrupt switch to country and western.  
Recorded in Nashville, with some of country's top session men, it really is
quite good.  However, a country album by a rock artist was not well received
by the public, and it only reached #65 On the Billboard Charts.

---------------------------

Ringo: Apple SWAL-3413; October 31,1973

Well, you know the rest...

<ESC>

-- 
..You either kiss the future or the past goodbye...
                          -- Ringo Starr (written by O'Deherty / Velez)
From: prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: greatest hits on cd?
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:37:13 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep2.132121.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>Hi,
>	I've been looking, not very systematically for the two, two volume 
>sets of the beatles greatest hits. I think one is called 1964 - 1968 and
>the other takes up where the first left off.  Anway, I've been trying to 
>find these on CD. I wonder if the stores are just always out of stock or 
>whether they exist?  If not, any ideas when they'll come out on CD?

This was discussed on here not too long ago, if I recall.  Apparently,
Capitol at one time or another DID actually plan on releasing these on
disc, but those plans (for one reason or another - probably legalities)
were scrapped.  So, they are still unavailable, and I would presume will
remain so for quite some time.

-- 
David Prokopy - prokopy@en.ecn.purdue.edu
677 Cary Quadrangle
West Lafayette, IN  47906-4243
(317) 495-2843
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles