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From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: AWK scripts for log files
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 16:14:12 CST
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253


I was amazed at the response I got from my awk script for the callers
file that I posted.  Since there was such interest, I'm going to pack
up the scripts and post them.  I also created an external for Waffle
which ran these scripts on the current logs.

One caveat about the callers script - it is only good on callers files
that cover about a two-week period or less.  The reason is that the
method of measurement is one minute, and the size of integers in this
awk seems to be limited in size to 32,767 (or so) which covers two
weeks or so.


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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: ARCLIST
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 23:05:57 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

william@cithara.login.qc.ca writes:

> Does anyone have or know of a way to get the ARCLIST utility to
> recognize the *.arj format; it's popular in this neck o the woods.

How did arj get popular? Sure, it's compression ratios are good,
but the thing is a memory hog.

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From: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Chrome
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 15:45:54 EST
Reply-To: gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM (George W. Pogue)
Organization: Deep In The Heart Of The South!

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

> >pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
> 
> >> Does anyone know if Chrome is still in development?  Or has it been
> >> abandoned?  I haven't heard any news about it in over a year.
> 
> Nope.  It exists, albeit on Tom's development machine.  I saw the
> skeleton of it some time back, and was suitably impressed.  Maybe
> I'll have to fly down to Sunnyvale to see what's new with it.  Yeah,
> that's the ticket!

Well, when do we think this amazing software reader will get out of the 
home office?

bill

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From: nrc@cbnews.cb.att.com (N. Richard Caldwell)
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Organization: AT&T Network Systems  -  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:31:13 GMT

From article <BzIzHw.38K@cs.psu.edu>, by fenner@snobol.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner):
> In article <BBoXVB2w165w@visavis.uucp> abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:
> |I agree.  .QWK type readers are feature rich.  Some of them have
> |database-like capabilities to let you store and categorize your messages.
> |
> |Rnews is very primitive by comparison.
> 
> Have you seen an rnews reader, or are you just making a baseless comparison?

If there are practical offline newsreaders that use rnews format I'd
like to hear about them.  

> The .QWK format is an utter hack if you're not running the software it was
> originally designed for.  It has fixed-format headers, and no flexibility.

There's no question that QWK is a hack, but it works and QWK mail
readers are available to virtually anyone.   

> At least Rhys's packet definition has fields for saying what type of messages
> are in a packet, so it's extensible, unlike .QWK .

So does QWK, for that matter.  Of course, right now that only indicates
whether the message is public or private but there's no reason it
couldn't be used to indicate an RFC-822 message or whatever.  There
are also some blank fields that could be used for this same purpose.

> Technically, Rhys's format is significanly superior to .QWK, since .QWK could
> be trivially encompassed by Rhys's fromat, but .QWK can not easily support
> USENET format, or Fido format, or anything else.
>
> Whether the readers for Rhys's format catch up to the .QWK readers is another
> question, but you certainly can't just discard a technically superior format
> out of hand just because someone else already exists.

Rhys's format?  Would this be the Helldiver format posted recently?
I don't doubt for a second that it's technically superior to QWK,
that's not hard to do in this case.  Unfortunately, technical 
superiority doesn't mean a whole lot if my users can't use it.  Where
are the readers?  Where are the doors?

I'm not discarding anything.  Ultimately it's my users who will accept
or reject anything new on my system based on whether or not it suits
their needs.  Any completely new format that has no reader support and
no doors to produce the packets has two strikes against it from the
outset.



"Don't drive too slowly."                 Richard Caldwell
                                          AT&T Network Systems
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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: WHERE IS HELLDIVER
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 13:04:06 EST
Organization: Berry Communications

doug@aptzero.lonestar.org (Doug Gault) writes:

> After hearing all this about goings on about HELLDIVER, I decided to jump
> on the ole male (er.. mail) server and get it for myself.. but when 
> I tell halcyon to send it to me, it said that it is not found.. 

Interesting.  I sent a message to halcyon two days ago, asking for
Helldiver to be mailed to me, and I have received no response
whatsoever. I suspect that the mail server is not functioning properly,
and that whoever normally keeps an eye on it is still away for the
holidays.

> If it is not there (even though it *IS* listed on the index) where is it?

Helldiver is definitely in the waffle/news subdirectory at halcyon. Last
week I watched a friend of mine dial up his workplace computer from
home, connect to halcyon, and ftp a copy of Helldiver from there.
(However, he was unable to download it to his home machine without
errors, which is why I still don't have a copy.)

I also called Tom Dell's Darkside BBS and looked in the Waffle
subdirectory to see if some kind soul had uploaded Helldiver.  It isn't
there.

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From: mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Offline Readers / Hell-Diver in particular
Summary: Why does it have to be Windoze?
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:40:27 GMT
Organization: Muth Valley Bell  (619/390-SLIC BBS; V32bis)

dfox@fennec.com (Scott Davis) writes:

> I have seen several messages about offline or alternitive mail/news
> readers for Waffle. But let it be known that there is one called
> Hell-Diver. This is a Windows 3.1 reader ONLY for Waffle.
> I am hard to please when it comes to offline readers. But I must
> say that this is THE best one by far. You don't even ever have to

Geez...now I have 2 reasons to reload Windoze; Hell-Diver and
Solitare.  Is a DOS only version of HD in the cards (pun
intended)?

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From: cmc@mind.ORG (Christopher M. Camacho)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: WafflineMail with Waffle 1.65..does it work?
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 02:29:17 -0500
Organization: Fortress Development HQ

andyross@infopls.chi.il.us (Andrew Rossmann) writes:
> 
> If you batch/unbatch in the background, make sure it generates a 'lock'
> file while it's running (mine is c:\spool\UUXQT.RUN.) It appears Waffle
> 
 the simpler solution would be, of course, to make the USENET and
LOCAL files read-only. this is what i've done here and it works much
better than trying to exclude lots of programs running together. when
you consider the volume of news i have, NOTHING would be able to run
and share those files.  :)

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From: rick@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Vandenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: V-MailServer 1.22
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 22:35:19 PST
Organization: Vandenberg Systems Research, Vancouver BC

Gess Shankar <gess@knex.via.mind.ORG> writes:

> rick@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Vandenberg) writes:
> 
> > Version 2.0, slated for release in February, handles multiple
> > addresses, up to 128 characters in length.  This is an MSDOS limitation.
[...]
> > 
> V-MailServer creates its own queue files, but it generates individual
> command and data files for each address. I suppose this facilitates
> passing it to the mailing agent such as Rmail. I suggest an option
> (configurable) that will generate one data file with most of the
> headers set and individual command files. V-MailServer (vmailx) can
> use these to create the queue files of the host (rnews or whatever).
> Anyone wishing to change the scheme of things can write a program to
> take the above and create the spool they want including 512 byte
> address lines. V-MailServer itself can include such a utility or 3rd
> parties can step in. If the format changes (what doesn't), one still
> has the option of using the native code (rnews in Waffle), while scrambling
> to update the add-on. ;-)

Working on it :)  It can get a little complicated, as the command
file(s) must store the variable header information, and vmailx must have
new logic added to deal with headers and the like.

Rick

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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: .QWK mail reader for Waffle
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 22:34:57 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

abolins%visavis.uucp@nyongwa.cam.org (August Abolins) writes:

> I agree.  .QWK type readers are feature rich.  Some of them have
> database-like capabilities to let you store and categorize your messages.
> 
> Rnews is very primitive by comparison.

{sarcasm on}

You are right. QWK is much more advanced than Rnews. Exchanging all of
this Usenet stuff would be done much more efficiently using QWK format
packets. Let's see if we can get some QWK transfer agents and readers
written and implimented at the major Internet backbones. It will no
doubt disseminate from there seeing as QWK is superior to Rnews.

Heh heh heh..

{sarcasm off}

The VMS News reader I sometimes use blows every QWK reader I have seen
out of the water. And it isn't even threaded. Now that Usenet is
becoming more accessible to the home user of PC's, I think it would be a
better choice to continue bringing PC software up to speed rather than
forcing it into a mold shaped for something entirely different.

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From: flip@thekidd.lonestar.org (Phillip dimock)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle on seperate partions
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 09:50:49 -0600
Organization: My Humble Abode

I have been running waffle/helldiver for a couple of weeks without
any major problems and am reasonable happy until now.

Problem: I recently decided to put all my news on a seperate partition
from waffle. In other words all my Waffle directories or on my C: drive
except I put my news on the D: partition. When I read the news via
Hell Diver exit and update my newsrc I come back later to read some more
news posts that I have already read still show up. My newsrc does in 
fact get updated but helldiver doesn't pay any attention. 
This is real annoying.

Any Suggestions. 

It worked fine until I put the news on the d: drive. I can read and post
fine it just won't recognize my newsrc.

Xref: sparky comp.bbs.waffle:5644 comp.mail.uucp:2455
From: system@freds.cojones.com (George W. Hayduke)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,comp.mail.uucp
Subject: Re: Mixed format addresses
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 03:17:27 AST
Organization: Radio Free Fredbox

kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein) writes:

> In article <RZm3VB4w165w@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us> tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBar
> >I know that.  I didn't do it because I didn't think my site qualified for
> >either .com (not a company) or .org (not an organization or domain park).
> 
> I was always under the impression that .org was a catch-all for sites that
> didn't fit in anything else.  It's possible I'm wrong, of course. :-)

The catch-all appears to be .com, as we applied for 'org' without supplying
documentation that we are an honest-to-golly non-profit-organization...

We got notification back that our domain had been registered in .com, o well.



      Fred Polsky v1.0, who has been known to handle under George.
            "This is Usenet. Facts are irrelevant here."
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From: bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 13:07:09 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: 1776 Enterprises, Sudbury MA

phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:
> No.  You are wrong here.  First, anything that causes any customer com-
> plaints must be considered a bug.  Second, anything that makes Waffle dif-
> ferent on DOS and UNIX must be concidered a bug.  And Third, anything that 
> doesn't work the way it *SHOULD* is a bug.  The ^Z problem meets at least
> two of these conditions.

That is absurd.  It's commonplace to have customer complaints for which the
desired changes would anger more customers than they would please.  And what
if your idea of the way something *SHOULD* work is different from mine?  This
kind of absolutist dogmatism certainly runs counter to modern ideas of soft-
ware "engineering", in which value judgements and cost/benefit tradeoffs play
a vital role.

> The most important argument is that **WAFFLE** doesn't treat ^Z's the same
> when run on a UNIX system.  It is important that Waffle remain compatible
> with itself.  Or to at least document the difference.

But *UNIX* doesn't treat ^Zs the same way as MD-DOS does.  (It doesn't treat
file names the same either.  Should Unix Waffle refuse to respond to file
names that would be illegal in MS-DOS?)  Should Waffle be "compatible with 
itself" or should it try to blend in as much as possible with the environment 
in which it's run?  This argument is as old as operating system software it-
self, and in all probability neither you nor I will live to see it settled.

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From: pauln@spectrx.saigon.com (Paul Nguyen)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Help.
Keywords: Help
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:47:55 GMT
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

Hello to all. 
I have a problem with waffle. I can not post in the news groups 
I carry. When I try to post. It says access denied /news/monitor/1.
Can someone help. I'm posting here at this address because I can not
post at my site. Please reply to pauln@wattres.sj.ca.us.

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From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: MAKEDIG.ZIP now available.
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 00:14:34 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

rad@railnet.nshore.ORG (Rick DeMattia) writes:

> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
> 
> > As long as your signature sterts with "--\n", you won't get the
> > helpfile unless you ask. ;->
> 
> Say Roy, shouldn't that be "-- \n"?

By golly, Rick, you're the second person to ask that question.  I
couldn't find anything in the RFCs I have online here.  But to make
sure I'm not breaking anything, I'll add both versions to my fileserver.

An RFC reference would be welcome, though, just so I know what rule I'm
letting people break. :-)
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From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Mail Servers...
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 17:38:51 MST
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.97

vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan) writes that gwp@dithots.Gwinnett.COM writes:

>>  Does there exist a list of mail servers on the net? It would be nice to
>>  have a list of all available file request servers for access.
> 
> the (probably) definitive Waffle archive is on halycon.com, which supports
> anon-ftp and mail-based-fileserving.

and anonymous uucp (for us non-Internet connected folks - thanks!).  and
if there's a site with more Waffle stuff than halcyon, I'll... well,
there just isn't.  :-)

> There is a list of anon-ftp sites that is literally thousands of lines
> posted monthly to news.answers

and for those who think this didn't answer the question, it did, since
there are mail-based archive servers that will go to _any_ ftp site
and mail you stuff (make sure you have your feed's permission first,
of course!).  also, sending mail to, say, archie@rutgers.edu will allow
you to find stuff _without_ having to keep those huge anon-ftp postings
around.
-- 
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From: pspeer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Helldiver problem with large USENET file
Date: 30 Dec 92 09:53:16 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

Helldiver still has a problem with large USENET files (mine currently contains
600-700 newgroups.) Does anyone know if and when this will be fixed? I believe
Rhys said he was working on it, but that was a few months ago.

Pat
From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: HELLDIVER running with Win-OS2
Date: 2 Jan 93 04:27:56 GMT
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au
X-Newsreader: Helldiver Packet Viewer 1.00

In <i0DNwB3w165w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>What I'd *like* to do is just create the article and queue it for later
>transmission.  Then, when I'm ready to send my outgoing traffic, I'll
>just use Waffle's uucico like I always have.  Is there any way to do
>this?  Helldiver seems to insist on grabbing the modem and sending each
>article out the instant I finish editing it, and when that doesn't work,
>it dumps the article in the bit bucket.

>Why is this necessary?  I don't even understand why I *need* HSEND, but
>Helldiver won't let me not use it.

:-?  Helldiver doesn't grab the modem at all.  It needs to call Waffle's
RMAIL.EXE and RNEWS.EXE programs to feed the mail and news into the Waffle
system, and then those programs queue up the message in the usual Waffle
way.  Polling, uucico, etc, don't come into the picture at all, or if they
do then there is something seriously wrong with your Waffle setup. :-)

HSEND.EXE is merely the program which calls RMAIL.EXE and RNEWS.EXE.  Since
they are DOS executables, some way is needed to launch them from the Windows
portion of Helldiver.  Hence the problem with OS/2 2.0 which seems unable
to launch DOS apps from Windows apps.  HSEND.EXE also provides some extra
support in the form of final message construction and genericity across UUCP
systems.  This will become a little more evident in the next version of
HSEND which can send messages through Waffle or construct a Helldiver Reply
Packet for uploading to some other system.

Since OS/2 2.0 is being such a pain, how about this scenario: I create a
Windows version of HSEND (not hard) which copies the mail and news into
a temporary directory that you specify.  Then once you are ready, you run
a DOS program to flush the contents of the temporary directory into Waffle?
You'd only need this for OS/2 2.0 - the DOS version of HSEND will be used
for Windows.  It is possible to launch Windows apps from Windows apps in OS/2
2.0 isn't it?  If not, then tough. :-)  I really don't want to link the
HSEND code into the main executable if I can help it.

A native OS/2 version is a long-range possibility, but until I get more
disk space, more memory, and a compiler, it will remain vapourware.  A
Windows NT version is more likely in any event, because that is my currently
planned upgrade path.  I also need to fit my PhD thesis in there somewhere. :-)

Cheers,

Rhys.
--
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rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"
From: ranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Update on Helldiver
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:16:48 GMT
Organization: Mala's Refuge, Montreal, Canada

In <B4okwB2w165w@tcscs.UUCP> tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:


>Yes it will...but you have the extra overhead of windows, plus your really
>still stuck with DOS limitations.  Plus, you can't take advantage of OS/2's
>full potential. 

Excuse me, but no, if you run a Windows application in OS/2 you WONT have
any extra overhead, OS/2 does NOT load Windows, it has its own emulator
of Windows 3.0.  You are correct about not being able to use OS/2's full
potential, that is another good reason to use an OS/2 version.  


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: unix waffle, extern woes
From: andyb@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (Andy Brager)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:34:51 GMT
Organization: Wonder Server - Public Access for SoCal


ISC Unix V3 3.0, Waffle 1.65 heavily modified.

I have attempted to install rn and trn as external programs.
Running either gives me "Can't open /dev/tty".  This used to work
under Waffle 1.64.  I have installed nn, which works just fine.
The ../extern/ files and ../bin/ files are identical across the 3 
programs (with the obvious exception of names used (rn, trn, nn).

Ideas?  Clues?  Hints?  Solutions?  Moral support?

Thanks in advance!

-  Andy

P.S.   Executing ../bin/rn (with all arguments required) from the
shell works just fine.  Fires up the real rn without a hitch.

P.P.S.  Has anyone attempted getting Elm or anything going?
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