HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 12:53:01 EDT
From: <DHZHAN01@ULKYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng (get thee questions cleared first)

Mr. Shannon Yeh
  Long time no see you. Where are you going? Taking VACATION? Or go back to
China to attend CPP convention? These days many people are busy to do the
lobby. What are you doing? Waiting for getting a 6.4 green card? Good for
you to take a vacation. But it is not good for us to see the show which you
have played a long time. We really miss your show.
From: wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Guo Lianghui's books
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:37:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: BAEPV2.0095E3FA.ECCEE940
Reply-To: wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU
Organization: North Carolina State University

Hello:

     Does anyone like Guo Lianghui's books ? I think these peoples who like
Qiong Yao or San Mao's books should read some books of Ms. Guo, which are
very good.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Pictures of Zhuang Yong and Fu Mingxia
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:40:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.225446.2648@umbc3.umbc.edu> yzhang@math15.math.umbc.edu (Yin Zhang) writes:
>In July 27 and 28 issues, Would Journal published some pictures of
>Chinese athletes, including those of Zhuang Yong and Fu Mingxia.
>Here are some of my observations:
>
>1)   Anybody with eyes can tell if Zhuang Yong is a real woman or 
>like a man as some asserted.  I don't want to insult netters' 
>intelligence.
>
>2) One picture shows a overjoyed Zhuang Yong laughing and hugging with
>a teammate after winning the race.  Another shows that Fu Mingxia
>smiled like a flower after receiving her medal.  
>
>Well, the Chinese girls may not have shown much emotions in public
>during the competions (why should they?), but they sure are capable of
>laughing and smiling a lot, or maybe they just have been "westernized"
>too according to the logic of the NBC diving commentator.

It is foolish to argue whether a girl should smile or not in a
competition. If I want to see it, I could have gone to Las Vegas to watch
the show, or a Miss America's Pagent.

Tingli Pan
From: kao@capmkt.COM (Shao-Kong Kao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Medals Table
Keywords: GOLD, GOLD, GOLD
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:29:49 GMT
Organization: Capital Market Technology

MEDALS TABLE - THURSDAY                                     CUPV
                     GOLD   SILVER BRONZE
 CIS                   18      8    10
 UNITED STATES         11     11    10
 CHINA                  7     10     4                   
 HUNGARY                6      4     1
 SOUTH KOREA            5      0     2                   
 GERMANY                4      5     9
 AUSTRALIA              3      3     3                   
 POLAND                 3      3     1                   
 JAPAN                  2      2     3                   
 CUBA                   2      2     2
 TURKEY                 2      1     0
 SPAIN                  2      0     0
 BULGARIA               1      4     0
 FRANCE                 1      3     8                   
 ITALY                  1      3     4
 BRITAIN                1      1     2                   
 NORWAY                 1      1     0
 CANADA                 1      0     1                   
 SWEDEN                 0      3     3                   
 NEW ZEALAND            0      2     2                   
 ROMANIA                0      1     4
 BRAZIL                 0      1     0
 ISRAEL                 0      1     0
 LATVIA                 0      1     0
 PERU                   0      1     0                   
 NETHERLANDS            0      0     3
 YUGOSLAVS              0      0     2                   
 BELGIUM                0      0     1
 FINLAND                0      0     1                   
 MONGOLIA               0      0     1                   
 NORTH KOREA            0      0     1                   
 SURINAM                0      0     1
    NOTE: TWO BRONZE MEDALS AWARDED IN JUDO FINALS
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From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Qiong Yao's Books
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 27 Jul 1992 03:45:02 GMT

In article <9207241603.AA00801@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>
>          But her lit contribution is certainly lower than Jin1 Yong1.
>          Jin Yong's contribution is about imagination and Plot
>          design.
>
>          He has influenced a generation of writers.
>

How would you compare Jin's novels with, say, San Guo or Sui3 Hu3?

Chou1
From: dethomas@athena.mit.edu (Drea E Thomas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: NBC olympic coverage
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:50:30 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Just another note on NBC's appalling coverage of the olympics,

In gymnastics, the standings were Eun, Romainia, USA and China.

Tuesday night;
They spent more than an 85 minutes on the first 3 countries,
and a grand total of a 1.5 minutes on china. They showed only
1 chinese gymnast, and throughout the performance they continually
commented on how this wasn't the chinese teams best apparatus
(then why didn't they show them on one they were particularly
good at), how the chinese didn't have the 'right body type'
to do well at this activity.. etc.

 Clearly you want to spend the most time on the top 3 countries,
but am I the only one that thinks that this is unbalanced?
Also, are there only 4 countries competing in gymnastics? Not
one mention of any others.

 In the swimming events this pattern is just as bad. In one
race (womens, 200 m breaststroke??) in which a chinese athelete
got the silver medal, they never even showed her (in closeup)
I never even saw her face. The american who won the bronze medal
was profiled and interviewed extensively.

 When they do mention chinese athletes, they refer to them
as machine like, all the same, no creativity.. etc.. all the
usual stereotypes..

 This kind of arrogance/racism/xenophobia makes me ashamed
to be an american.

 If you want to complain to NBC, the number was given earlier
(212-664-4444).

------------------
just my $.02

	-Drae-
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:42:16 GMT

Thanks Chunde for reply:
>When we evaluate a historical figure, we should not use fictionally
<"high" moral standard. The most important thing is that
<what he did to China. Not how he did it, even though that is important
<too.

Maybe you are right in "Da DaoLi Guan Xiao DaoLi". But I am basically
interested in only the question: Whether Mao was intentionally frame
his comrades for power, not whether it was right or wrong.

Let's see XiangYing's investigation report immediately before the massive
execution:

No doubt the FuTian Incident was in fact an act directed against the
party and revolution. Though it has not yet been proved that they
organizationally are all members of the AB Leagure and the Liquidationists,
their action against the party and against the revolution was objectively
in agreement with the reactionary behavoiour of the AB Leagure and the
Liquidationists.

According to J. Chen, Mao was not satisfied by this vague and evasive
report. Then CCP central committee had to send a special delegation
to the JiangXi Soviet Region, (Xiang Yin is the Party secretary of the
Region's Central Buearu and Mao was the Party secretary of the army,
General Frontier Committee).

Question: Who was in charge of this Special deletgation?

Mao won the case, XiangYin was fired and hundreds of "AB L members" were
executed. After that, when Deng XiaoPing arrived at RuiJing as county's Party
secretary, there were still hundreds AB Leagure members in jail. After
investigation, Deng released all of them and strange enough, without
offending Mao. Probably no important figures in this county's jail and Mao
did not care.

It was the end of 1931 when Zhou Enlai arrived in JiangXi, and finally settled
the case. It was obviously a compromise, similar to XiangYing's report, but
stated more clearly that many were killed wrongly. But Li WenLin (Mao's
major rival) was still executed after that, probably as a part of compromise.
But the details of the compromise were not known.

So there are still many unknowns, any knowledgeable netter can help? It is
very important to figure out Who did What and When, then we can possibly
say who is right and who is wrong.
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From: lug@balsam.ppc.ubc.ca (Guoqiano Lu)
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang won gold medal
Organization: University of B.C. Pulp & Paper Centre
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:11:01 GMT

Yuan Jiang wrote:

>.......
>I watched the men`s
>4x100 free relay with a group of people today.  They all
>laughed at the US swimmers when seeing their thin waists
>with ribs showing, like ants.

They shouldn't  have laughed at the US swimmer. They should laugh at Zhuang Yong
for she gets a strange low nose compared with most US swimmers. This is clearly the 
evidence for drug using in order to have less resistance in the water. 
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From: hxiao@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Michael Hemin Xiao)
Subject: Re: China won a gold again ?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:45:07 GMT

In article <0095E4B5.027ABF20@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU> wang@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU writes:
> (Xiayong, Zhuang). Is this the second gold China won in Judo ?
>
>  Anyone can confirm this ?

Yes, in the event of Female Heavyweight Judo
From: n34bb@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU (Lucas Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: BBC Coverage
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:18:00 GMT

When I was in UK during the period of 23rd Olympic Games, the BBC coverage
was a lot fairer than the NBC in US in this Olymic Games. They were even
critized by some that they were not "patriotic" in their reports. This
was also true during the Falkland War when the BBC tried to make a firm
stand on neutrality. I think there is a big gap in professional journalism
between the British and the American. 

Perhaps this is due to the recession in US, everyone wants to find some way
to regain their pride as citizen of the Big USA. Perhaps that was part of
the reasons that many americans are still wanting to war with Iraq, just
like thugs wanting to find someone to release their steam.

Lucas
From: xue@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: who knows the NBC schedule of the Olympic?
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:11:20 GMT

If anybody knows the NBC brodcasting schedule of the Olympic Games,
would you please it on the netnews? Many thanx. Zhiming 
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From: jiang@ee.ualberta.ca (Weidong Jiang)
Subject: Looking For Ni2,Jian4 Wen2(From Changzhou,Jiangsu,China)
Reply-To: jiang@ee.ualberta.ca (Weidong Jiang)
Organization: University of Alberta Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 06:17:05 GMT






to whom it may concern:
I am looking for my high school classmate Ni2,Jian4 Wen2,who went to Changzhou
No.1 Middle school,Changzhou,Jiangsu,P.R.C.As long as you see this messege please either return a e-mail to my e-mail account or give me a phone call:
my phone number is 403-433-7452.
I am in U.of A.,Edmonton,Alberta, Canada .
Thanks.
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From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: My feelings
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:37:32 GMT

Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
|> 
|>           Hi, folks, 
|>              It might not be appropriate to decide whose is the hero
|>           based on win or lose (cheng2 bai4 lun4 ying1 xiong2), but as
|>           the number of medals goes up, I do feel stimulated!
|> 
|>              I walk on the street and feel considerably taller, and I
|>           began to be pretty arrogant in classes.  I intentionally
|>           change the topic of meetings to Olympic game, and tell
|>           people I was really surprised how few medals the U.S. has
|>           won.
|> 
                                                        women
|>              I am most proud of the fact that Chinese also win medals
                                                        ^
|>           in almost purely physical things like swimming.  In the past
|>           I only trusted on chinese brains and chinese food, not
|>           limbs.  So this is really a boost of confidence!  I vow I am
|>           going to start swimming, too!  At least I can beat a couple
|>           of high school drop-outs.
|> 
|>              IMHO, we chinese is at a point where we need mostly
|>           cow-boy kind of people instead of Jia3 baoyu kind of people.
|>           What do you think?  

Well, looks like chinese women have already past that point, but not
chinese men. I think this, however, is normal because 1) female matures
earlier than male; and 2) only when women are stronger can they
give birth to stronger males. So, I predict that the cow-boy type
will show up 2 or 3 Olympic games later.

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:21718 rec.sport.olympics:2114
From: junzhang@acpub.duke.edu (Huilai Zhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:14:22 GMT
Followup-To: poster

In article <1992Jul31.071849.25463@athena.mit.edu>, solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
> As far as why the US has more criminals than China, I think that the answer is
> obvious. In China, you just kill them all. (This time I'm using real facts since
> I was addressed in a descent manner.) The biggest Holocaust of all time has been
> the Chineese masacre of "enemies of the state". figures ranger from 45-100
> million killed with the median at around 80M. 
> 
> Jason W. Solinsky

God forgives you for your poor knowledge about China. It seems like
you'll believe it true if somebody tells you the Sun will rise up from
WEST tomorrow morning, don't you?
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From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Fundamental problem of China (Was Re: after 1997...)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:09:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.041748.874@oracle.us.oracle.com> kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
>From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang):
>
......
>
>To tell you the truth, I'd like to see these two methods exchanged between
>China and Eastern Europe.  The Chinese people are much more sharp-minded
>and eager to find and take advantage of new opportunities.  They are also
>more willing to accept what environment the govt creates and cause less
>unrest.  They should be able to build up a new system to replace the old
>one quickly.
>
I won't overestimate Chinese people in this. The 6.4 movement is partly
that people couldn't stand the shock therapy that time. Frankly
speaking, few people could. Only after serveral years of reform, people
get more accustomed to the new envrinment and become more tolerable to
the current situation. Now the inflation rate is above 10% and people's
complain is much less that they did several years ago although the
inflation rate was as hight as it is now. Also, doing private business
is much more acceptable than before. And there are much more such kind
cases.

>The E. Europeans, (especially the Russians), however, are more lacking in
>the entrepreneurial spirit and they need a more slowly changing environ-
>ment to adjust to.  They also stir things up when they don't like the govt,
>whether justified or not.
>
Russia may be not, but quit a few E. European countries did have some
private enterprise before. Like Poland, Hungary. 

>Alas, I have a feeling that it is not co-incidence, but a more fundamental
>process at work, which gives these two peoples their respective governments.

Deng is right in this point. Crossing the river by feeling the stones.
Find an easy way to go foward. Not just for Tung Quai.

Tingli Pan
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From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (,,,)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:38:55 GMT

From article <4051@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, by yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding):
> In article <1992Jul31.071849.25463@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes:
>>As far as why the US has more criminals than China, I think that the answer is
>>obvious. In China, you just kill them all. (This time I'm using real facts
> 
> If you want to defend the high criminal rate in US, there are other ways...
> I am sorry to say that you know little about China.  

Most westerners (at least Americans) seem to be so ignorant about China, or 
they probably are not able to catch up with the big changes in the 20th 
century (not to mention the social changes from 50s & 60s to 70s and to 80s 
& 90s*), that I almost always find they sound like saying something _remote_ 
whenever they talk about China.  The reasons behind this may well be due to 
the western media as well as the fact that (at least) most western countries 
haven't had so much and deep social changes since around 18th century.
_____________
* A quick view can be obtained from the following changes of the 
government slogans of different ages:
	"Communism must be realized!" (50-70s)
	"Never forget class struggle!" (same)
	"Stay on the 4 Basic Principles!" (80s)
	"A good cat is the one who can catch mice, no matter if 
	 it is white or black." (70-80s)
	"Don't discuss what belongs to capitalism or socialism --
	 just do it!" (90s)
--
From: 61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp (Dingding CHANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: CND Summer Olympics Special Issue (IV), July 31, 1992
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:23:37 GMT
Organization: Dept of Applied Physics, Waseda University
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: wucc.cfi.waseda.ac.jp

In article <9207310442.AA09208@wurobot@wugate.wustl.edu> xiong@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU (Bo Xiong) writes:
>
>             * * *  C h i n a   N e w s   D i g e s t  * * *
>
>                             (News Global)
>
>                  Special Issue on 1992 Summer Olympics (IV)
>
>LIN Li       : Gold. Women's 200-meter individual medley
>WANG Huifeng : Silver. Women's foil fencing
>ZHANG Di     : Bronze. Judo, women's 134-pound division
>?????????    : Bronze.  ????????
>


It may be:
SHENG Zeshan  : Bronze. Wrestling, man's 57 kilo . 
                                                      From Japan, D.D.C 


>[Editor's Note: While both AP and DJ reported that China has 21 bronze
>medals in total, the editors have not been able to determine the event for 
>which China won this unaccounted for Bronze medal.]
-- 
			D Chang
			61l512@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
From: yjj@ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:45:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: janus.9207301545.AA22049
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research

In article <1992Jul28.192210.17760@bmerh85.bnr.ca> you write:
>In article <1992Jul28.162704.13351@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>Besides, tell me which swimmer is non-muscular and no acne on their backs??! 
>Swimming is a profession that requires strong muscules and solid physical base.
Yes, you can use steroid to acquire the strong muscle which you cannot
get from regular excercise.

>Without having any commonsense about sports, You'd better shut up and save your
Tell me what's your experience and commonsense with swimming.

>equal Olympic competition! Don't think China is still the "Sick Asian" as it

I'd rather see China to be a healthy one, instead of a drug pumped one.
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From: Zhi Cheng Zhu <u9112081@cc.uow.edu.au>
Subject: No 6 HIgh School Guangzhou
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 11:29:02 EST

Liu Ying Xi 
Where are you
From: jqtan@coos.dartmouth.edu (Jianqi Tan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:50:05 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul23.182403.16568@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> 
utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>
>If that is an error, then Time did it in purpose. After you've read the
>whole article, you know why.
>>
>
>Tingli Pan

I believe so.  When they saw it, they were probably too happy about the
number to comprehend its actual meaning.  You have to expect this kind of thing 
from those western media at this time.  They would rather report nothing
in face of the successful economic development in China.  I am sure that
Kristoff has written more articles for the New York Times that will project 
a much better picture of China than what most Americans want to see, but 
the editor probably only publish those which suggest possible trouble.
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From: umwu0014@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Charles Bo Wu)
Subject: What happened to the Australian satellite?
Originator: umwu0014@pollux.cc.umanitoba.ca
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:47:33 GMT

     What happened to that Australian satellite that is supposed to be
carried into the space by a Chinese rocket? Haven't heard any news from it
for a while. Last time I heard about it, it is said that it will be
relaunched sometime in July.

     Anyone has news about it?
-- 

============================================================================
Charles Bo Wu                   Home #: 204-949-0721    Work #: 204-453-4444
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada      E-Mail: umwu0014@ccu.umanitoba.ca
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From: qy1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Qing Yu)
Subject: Re: Proud and angry
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:52:26 GMT

<fortony@murphy.gis.uiuc.edu> writes:

<After a bad dive, you could read the sadness on her face.  After a good
<dive, you could tell that she was happy with herself.

<The winning diver made technically perfect dives and got out of the
<water looking as if she were a bored robot.  Sure, she won the gold,
<but NBC is an American company broadcasting to America.  It's only
<natural for NBC to concentrate on that which Americans are interested
<in: interesting American competitors.  Relax a little.

Olympic game is a highly technical competition in sports. It's not a comedy
show. Also, If I grew up with watching such band-filtered broadcasting, I
probably would also think that other nations do not know how to smile.



Yu Qing



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From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: How to translate?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:55:18 GMT

In article <9207272237.AA22729@phloem.uoregon.edu> Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu writes:
>Many responses regarding QY and translation of 3 guo, here are responses:  
>
......
>
>        4.  From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
>        correct translation should be:
>        The 3-D world seems keeping the same beautiful, but
>        the 4th dimension is extending to infinity without any noise.
>        Better than yours, Eh?
>    
>        [ How about:
>           a).  The society might have been changing, although we are
>                not tataly sure about this; 
>           b).  The nature seems to be timelessly pretty regardless what 
>                the society is doing
>           c).  In the final analysis, time is a major factor, but
>                it has not made much noise.  Like an old saying puts it: "the   
>               dog that doesn't bark bites the worst."  ]

I want to Cou Re Nao. 
            d). Nothing but the time has changed.
>
......

Tingli Pan
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