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From: pcbk1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (bryan.s.katz)
Subject: 4 Borough Tour Info?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:41:18 GMT
Keywords: Transportation Alternatives

   This Sunday is the NYC Tour sponsored by Transportation Alternatives.
   I had other plans that fell through, so I'd like to learn info on this
   tour.  Someone had posted this to the net a while ago - does anyone still
   have it?  All I really want to know is where should I go Sunday morning,
   and when should I be there?

   Thanx in advance.

   B.Katz
From: morgan@nolichucky.rtp.dg.com (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: Wanted rides on the Outer Banks of North Carolina
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:07:03 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC
Keywords: bike trips

In article <1992Sep1.145118.27436@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, mcquay@ame.gsfc.nasa.gov (Keith McQuay) writes:
|> If anyone out there knows of any trips or tails to take
|> while visiting the Outer Banks in North Carolina, please
|> let me know.  I will be down there from Sept. 12 thru the
|> 19th.  We have a bungaloo on the ocean side in an area I
|> believe is called South Shores.  The last time I was down
|> there I was in the 8th grade.  Then we only went to Kitty
|> Hawk.  I would greatly appreciate any information.  I
|> can receive mail at mcquay@ame.gsfc.nasa.gov.
|> 
|>                              Thanks,
|> 
|>                                 Keith 
|> 
|> 

Two useful phone numbers for anyone planning rides in North Carolina:

County & state highway maps: (919)733-7226 - this is a state agency
that provides detailed county roadmaps that show every little road,
lane, and cowpath, with all the county road #s on them.  Indispensable
for exploring the backroads.  Two warnings, though.  The county road
maps don't show details or street names/numbers inside city limits, and
the county road #s change at the county borders.

State Bicycle Coordinator: (919)733-2804.  The N.C. Dept. of Transportation
has a full time bicycle coordinator and produces several maps of bike
routes.

-- 
Keith Morgan                            I'd rather have a bottle infrontame
Data General                            than a frontal lobotomy!
Research Triangle Park, NC
(919)248-6078
morgan@dg-rtp.dg.com
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From: laforce@xenon.arc.nasa.gov (Soren LaForce)
Subject: Re: What do you find to be the best foot position on the pedal?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:41:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.193118.30574@watson.ibm.com>, yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes...
>I sometimes ride with the balls of my feet on the pedals.
>And sometimes I find that I've moved my feet to where the middle
>of my feet are on the pedals.

I believe that pedaling with your instep (middle of the foot) can 
damage the nerves in the foot.  In addition, you cannot pedal 
correctly with the instep.  Correct pedaling involves small but
significant ankle movement.  Without the ball of your foot on the 
pedal, you will not be able to ankle correctly and will work 
harder to provide the same power.

Pedal with the ball of the foot, it works best and is safest.


>And what do people think about the pedal clips?  Do they really help?
>Are they safe?  (I've seen people that tie their feet in them.  I'd
>hate to see what happens to them in an accident!)

Toe clips are safe (I would argue that you are safer with them than 
without) and help you maintain correct foot position.  Unless you 
are using cleats, you can pull your foot out of a fairly tight 
pedal strap.  As far as the accident concerns go, having your feet 
strapped in is about the least of your worries.


--Soren            laforce@xenon.arc.nasa.gov
From: hjiwa@gruc03.nor.chevron.com (Jeff Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Bike Rides in the South
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:05:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chevron

Hi there,

I've seen various postings on nice rides and trails in the west.  However, I am
interested in hearing from anyone with suggestions for good rides in the south.
Specifically, I'd like places that I can drive to for a weekend or long weekend
outing from New Orleans...say...anywhere between Central Texas to Alabama.
I've heard of some nice places in Alabama and, having went to school in Austin,
am somewhat familiar with the trails in Austin (although I am unfamiliar with
trails that may exist in the general central Texas region).  Any tips, personal
experiences, and directions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanx in advance.


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From: landauer@morocco.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Landauer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Cycling Paradises, MTB
Date: 12 Sep 1992 21:05:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: morocco

> ... how great it is to live in a city ...

Let's skip that requirement.  Many of us prefer not to live in a city. 

> ... how great it is to live ...  where there are great mountain biking trails
> ... the best thing was the fact that one could ride from the
> center of the city out to the meeting point in the park (~10 miles) with
> minimal contact with motorized vehicles.

> I know this is a broad question, but where else can people ride like this?

There are several places in & near the SF Bay Area that are close to
some very nice MTB trails:

--> in Fremont, near Mission Peak
--> the San Lorenzo Valley (Felton, near Henry Cowell Park; or
	Boulder Creek, near Big Basin; or Ben Lomond)
--> the Santa Cruz area, with Nisene Marks, Wilder Ranch, Henry
	Cowell, and UCSC all within reasonable riding distance
	(though the
--> almost anywhere along the west & southwest edge of Silicon
	Valley, with access to quite a few Santa Clara county parks
	and Peninsula Open Space Preserves
--> in/near Sonoma/Santa Rosa/Sebastopol, near Annadel State Park
--> Marin county ...

Just before (and during) the splitup, there were several requests on
this newsgroup's more broadly-based predecessor asking about good MTB
rides in & near the SF Bay Area.  I've been thinking of collecting a
summary of short descriptions & ratings (a whole nother article) of
nice MTB rides in the area.  What level of interest would there be out
there for this kind of thing?
-- 
Doug Landauer -- landauer@eng.sun.com
SUNW[STE]->SunPro::Languages.IPE(C++);
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From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: biking through China/Asia
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:15:33 GMT

I tried to e-mail you this but got the following:
         jamie@sirius.digital.co.jp... 
         Never heard of domain sirius in domain digital . co . jp

In the last few issues of Pedal (Canadian cycling broad sheat) there 
has been a series on a couple cycling through North Africa, the Near 
East, and Asia.  They are going (went?) from east to west and in the 
most recent issuse had make it to Pakistan.  Note that their route 
went Turkey-Iran-Pakistan which would seem to me to be the only way 
to do this.  I don't know if one can go through Tibet to India.  
I don't think that one can go through Myamar (?, Burma) either so I 
don't know how one does this.  Perhaps through southern China into 
western India.

Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: bradley@s58.csrd.uiuc.edu (David K. Bradley)
Subject: Re: Hilly Hundred
Keywords: Hilly Hundred + 12-18 straight block = FUN
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 19:52:08 GMT

seanodon@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Aragorn) writes:

    The title sayes it all.  Does anyone know when this year's Hilly will
    be?  My mom wants to visit me in October and it would be rude for me to
    not be there :-).  The weekend of the Oct 25 comes to mind.

It's the weekend of October 10, but I called last week and it was
already filled up.  5000 riders!
--
	David Bradley                bradley@csrd.uiuc.edu
	Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
	University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: ehouse@Apple.COM (Eric House)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Is 580 near Livermore bike-legal?
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:43:31 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In what could easily turn out to be the dumbest stunt I've ever pulled,
I'm thinking of riding from Palo Alto to Yosemite some day next week.  It
appears to be close to 200 miles, which is a lot for a short September
day, so I'm trying to shave as many miles as I can.

One such opportunity is presented by the 1-mile stretch of I-580 between
Hwy 84 and Vasco Rd. in Livermore: getting on the freeway between those
two exits looks as if it would save maybe five miles.  It also appears, to
my limited knowledge of the rules governing these things, as if it ought
to be legal to ride there.

Does anyone know if it is?  Would anyone care to comment on the safety (for
bikes) of that stretch of freeway and, if it ain't legal, on my chances of
riding it without getting caught?  It's about a mile, and doesn't involve
merging with auto traffic as long as there's some kind of shoulder.
-- 
****************************************************************************
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			   	 me, so I can share only mine with you"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: jhoe@athena.mit.edu (James C Hoe)
Subject: need help finding Rides and Routes in the Cambridge, MA area
Summary: need help finding safe rountes for road bike around MIT
Keywords: rides, routes, Cambridge
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 21:40:15 GMT
Expires: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 05:00:00 GMT

I am a new student at MIT this fall.  I am unfamiliar with the Cambridge
area, and I am intimidated by the local driving style and techniques.
I hope to get a few pointers on where I can ride a road bike safely 
without resorting to riding on the side walk.  Suggestions for twenty to 
thirty mile rides would be appreciated.  I don't have a car so it would 
be nice if I can reach the route from MIT campus by bike (safely).

My bike will be arriving by UPS soon.  I hope it gets here okay.

James
From: r.g.olsen@att.com (Ron Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Info wanted on MTB trails near Keystone/Vail, Colorado
Keywords: great place to ride!
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:03:53 GMT
Reply-To: r.g.olsen@att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Denver CO

Ed Paradis writes:

> I'll be in Keystone, CO in mid-October and would appreciate any
> and all information on MTB rides and/or trails in the immediate area.
> 
> Also, I've been trying to obtain a copy of a book on rides in
> Summit County, Colorado, but haven't been able to find one.
> The book costs around ten dollars. The title of the book might
> possibly be "MTB Guide to Summit County, CO".  Would anyone be able
> to point me to a store or mail order outlet where I could find this
> book?

There are two books you should get:

"The Mountain Bike Guide to Summit County, Colorado"
by Laura Rossetter, and
"The Mountain Biking Guide to Vail, Colorado" by Michael Murphy.

I don't have the publishers or ISBN's at hand.

Two other books that list rides in the Summit County/Vail area:

"Colorado Gonzo Mountain Bike Rides" by Michael Merrifield
(great single-track rides throughout the state), and
"Mountain Biking in Colorado's Historic Mining Districts",
by Laura Rossetter (an excellent state-wide guide).

You can get these books at most bike or outdoor stores
in the Denver/Boulder area; you might try REI in Denver (303-937-0536),
or Eastern Mountain Sports in Boulder (303-442-7566),

Two bookstores to check:
the Tattered Cover in Denver (303-322-7727)
[largest bookstore in the region],
or the Boulder Bookstore (303-447-2074).

Recommended rides:

Summit County:

All the rides in Rossetter's book are good;
here are ones that I've done and enjoyed:

	Wilder Gulch
	Searle Pass
	Ten Mile Canyon
	Keystone to Breckenridge
	The Peaks Trail
	Pennsylvania-Indiana Gulch
	Burro Trail - Mayflower Lake

Vail:
	Meadow Mountain
	Vail Ski Area trails

Have fun!

	Ron Olsen
	Boulder, Colorado
	r.g.olsen@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Re: my previous article with no Subject
Summary: It's --> Boulder to Crested Butte (Colorado)
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 02:45:28 GMT

--
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Cycling Paradises, MTB
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 02:11:49 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.rides
Organization: SMIS, Massey University

I've always thought Mt Bikers in Rotorua, New Zealand have it lucky.  They
have a forest with heaps of tracks of varying terrain and difficulty right
on their doorstep.  A bonus is that the volcanic soil drains freely, so it
never gets too muddy, although one does have to clean one's bike to get
ride of the fine volcanic grit, which will eat away chains and derailleurs
rapidly otherwise.

Taupo, also on the Volcanic Plateau in the central North Island, has lots
of riding nearby in similar conditions.

Wellington has plenty of tracks on the numerous firebreaks and tracks in
the hills around the city, but the clay soil isn't all that pleasant to
ride in the winter.

Christchurch, in the South Island, has the Port Hills on the edge of the
city.

I expect Nelson would also have good riding close, but haven't been there
since getting into Mt Biking.  Same for Dunedin, on the Otago Peninsula.

We even have some good off-road riding within pedalling reach of Palmerston
North and the University, although the conditions suffer the same fate as
Wellington.

There are numerous smaller towns with good riding nearby, but I've tried to
confine myself to cities (which are small by world standards anyway).
--
Phil Etheridge               P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz
Macintosh Consultant         Phone: +64+6-356-9099 x8689
SMIS, Massey University      Fax:   +64+6-350-5611
Palmerston North, NZ         40*23'S 175*37'E,    GMT+12
From: slawe@pobox.upenn.edu (Lauren T. Slawe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Philadelphia Century
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:00:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Well, I did my FIRST century the other day, on Sunday!  Thanks to all of you
who helped me out under "Confusion About Centuries..."  All the info that 
you guys provided me with was excellent help.  I wasn't dehydrated, and 
I even finished in a reasonable amount of time!  168 riders, but only 18
women, so I'm one of only 18 women who finished!  I strongly encourage 
all of you who feel semi-strong to try it.  I've only been riding 
seriously this one past summer.  It's a great confidence booster, and now 
I have a nifty patch to sew somewhere prominent!  Maybe I'll just staple
it to my forehead.  

So, when's the next one?

-Lauren
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel)
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Long Beach House
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 01:54:39 GMT

>>>[House for sale...]

>>What components are on it and how easy is it to pedal!

miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560) writes:
>I suppose these people figured that trying to "pedal"

Well, maybe it has a _chain link_ fence?  Perhaps they'll _wheel_ and
deal on the price?  Or maybe they're trying to _saddle_ you with their
problem abode?  Are the owners _cranks_, _freewheeling_ types, or
_shiftless_?  Has anybody _spoke_ to them?  Are they _tired_ of hearing
about this crosspost?  Would it be worth my time to _cable_ them?  Is
the price _inflated_, and will they respond to _pressure_?

Grroooaaannn...

(But think of all the other followups that I saved you from!)

		;-D on  ( Pun fun )  Pardo
From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Wanted - rides around SF Bay Area
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:57:50 GMT
Reply-To: klee@wsl.dec.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

|>  looking for more medium-hard places to ride in SF bay area.

Yesterday I did:

start from my home (near Stanford University)
ride through Stanford
take Alpine Road west, past 280
a few miles past Portola Road, the pavement ends
dirt Alpine is on the right (behind the gate), bikes are welcome
    the dirt part is about 2.5 miles of moderate uphill
Alpine ends at Page Mill Road (another gate)
right on Page Mill for .5 mile (paved, mostly flat)
cross Skyline, turn right into parking lot on the other side
Ridge Trail begins at the far end of the parking lot; this is an easy
    1.5 mile single track, with great views of bay and ocean
    the trail winds back to Skyline
turn left (north) on Skyline; Skyline is paved, but this is one
    of the most scenic sections
after a few miles, you'll come to Windy Hill, with a parking and
    picnic area on the right
right after the picnic area, you pass the hill and then the 
    Spring Ridge Trail is on the right
Spring Ridge Trail is a fairly steep, but mostly smooth dirt road; 
    try not to go too fast, as there are alot of hikers on it
    take all the left forks, finally ending on Portola Rd.
turn right on Portola and ride a couple of miles back to Alpine Road
turn left on Alpine and ride back to Stanford U.

Depending on where you start, this ride is around 20 miles.

You can do the Alpine Road uphill with a skinny tired road bike, but
the decent probably requires at least hybrid tires.

A variation of this ride is to take Crazy Pete's Road (dirt) from
Alpine to Skyline (up or down).  This is a little more difficult than
Alpine or Spring Ridge.  Historical trivia:  Crazy Pete is Peter Couts,
who has another street named for him next to HP corporate
headquarters.  He's also the guy that build that weird brick
"Frenchman's" tower on Old Page Mill Road.

-- 
Ken Lee
DEC Western Software Laboratory, Palo Alto, Calif.
Internet: klee@wsl.dec.com
uucp: uunet!decwrl!klee
From: seanodon@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Aragorn)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Hilly Hundred
Keywords: Hilly Hundred + 12-18 straight block = FUN
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:52:40 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

The title sayes it all.  Does anyone know when this year's Hilly will
be?  My mom wants to visit me in October and it would be rude for me to
not be there :-).  The weekend of the Oct 25 comes to mind.

Thanks in advance.
Aragorn

PS: Hopefully it will be a little warmer this year.  A temp of 40F and
	no tights can make for some pretty chilly riding.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: dwm1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.w.moran)
Subject: Cheasapeake & Ohio Canal Ride
Expires: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:00:00 GMT
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:25:49 GMT
Keywords:  Tours, info 

Some friends and I are considering riding the Cheasapeake & Ohio Canal Towpath
at the end of September and we were wondering if there is someone who 
rode it lately that could give us advice.  We are thinking of riding from
Cumberland to Antietam and camping then returning the next day.  Specifically
we were wanted to know:

1) Is the surface good enough for road bikes with all the rain this year.
2) Good place to camp.
3) Any good places to stop.
From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Wanted - rides around SF Bay Area
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:39:11
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: dan@austin.asd.sgi.com's message of 1 Sep 92 22:04:38 GMT

=x= Fremont's great for bike rides.  I guess from Niles Canyon
you've already fround the Alameda Creek Recreation Trail, which
goes into the Coyote Hills Park.  That Park is also a good ride,
and you can get to the Dumbarton Bridge from there, which is
also a good ride.  Just don't continue on into East Palo Alto
(it's not safe); head north to Marsh Road.

=x= From Marsh Road you can head west into the hills, though
you have to deal with traffic in Atherton first.

=x= Southwards, from San Jose, there's a nice long uphill trail
to an observatory.  And once you get to the observatory, there's
a nicer long downhill trail back. :-)

=x= Within Fremont, there's a quasi-trail along Mission Creek.
From Central Park you cross the train tracks, then follow the
creek along. It goes through a mini-park, a residential area,
and behind some school buildings.  It doesn't go anywhere in
particular, but it's a nice ride.  (It used to be the lovely
end to my daily commute.)

=x= Heading north, "A" Street in Hayward becomes Redwood Road
in Castro Valley, which goes up into the Oakland Hills.  The
road is very nice in its own right, and it leads to various
parks that allow bicycles.

=x= Getting north is a hassle with the traffic.  The best
approach I can recall is to take Decoto to Alvarado-Niles,
and then one of the paths suggested by the East Bay Bicycle
Coalition's "Bicycle Commute Map of the East Bay" (available
at local bike shops).

=x= Incidentally, Decoto is a handy route from Alameda Creek
to the Union City BART station.  From there you can go to
much of the Bay Area.
    <_Jym_>
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Women working on bikes
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:33:38 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   

You might want to check out, also, Samuel Florman's book _Blaming
Technology: The Irrational Search for Scapegoats_.  It has some
insights into why people in general and women in particular don't
go into engineering.

I'm still not sure what became of all the girls who used to blow
the curve in my science and math classes but somehow wandered off
the path.  Sex-role stereotypes waste a large proportion of ~~52%
of society's brainpower; hopefully the problem will be responded
to with analysis and empowerment rather than flippancy and bigotry.

Cheers,
--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"