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From: rovel@eng.umd.edu (Amy L. Rovelstad)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: MOW Update & # for Official Travel Agents
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:50:36 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na

Well, might as well demuffin on this topic.

In article <1993Jan11.080507.19669@flood.com> tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt) writes:
>
[cited material deleted]

>The problem with camping is that when you get out of the
>urban/suburban area to where you'd find a campsite, you're
>pretty far out of reach of easy public transportation to
>get you into the city. Of course, splitting a car rental
>among 4 people is cheaper than getting hotel rooms at
>Washington rates.
>

[stuff on VA camping deleted]

>
>I don't know about the Maryland side, but I suspect you
>wouldn't get too much closer, unless there's something
>in the park along the C&O Canal, but I don't recall seeing
>any camping there.
>
>-- 
>Tom Chatt                        \   Don't take offense, take action.

In fact there is a campsite in the College Park/Beltsville area 
called (I think) Cherry Hill Camp City (!).  It appears to me to be 
more set up for campers, but they may also have some tent sites, I 
don't know.  They have done a lot of work expanding it during the 
last couple of years.  It *is* on a Metrobus line, although I don't 
know about their Sunday schedules.  Metro tends to be pretty iffy on
Sundays in the 'burbs, and not so great on Sat night, either.

I would guess that it is *not* beautiful.  In fact, it looks to me 
like they have a stunning view of the Beltway/Rt. 95 split.  Obviously, 
I've never ventured in, so I could be wrong (could be, but...).

If anyone is interested in more info/phone #'s etc, e-mail me and I'll
try to find out.  If enough people are interested, I'll post it.

I think it would be *great* to take it over for the weekend.  All those
queers walking around my neighborhood....  

Amy
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:44:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan13.004420.10904
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan12.223928.29411@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>the Stonewall riot
>was a remarkable event.  I would venture that it's on a par
>with the events that led to the modern-day celebration of
>Hanukah (which seems to me to be about Jewish militarism
>and a particular victory - that miracle business is pretty
>incidental).

I think this is right on the mark for about as far as you can take the
analogy; however, the attempts here to cast Stonewall as a religious
event with ecclesiastical sanctions towards non-believers strikes me
as a bit too enthusiastic.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: ernesto@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Teodoro E. Gelabert)
Subject: Delaware Valley Men's Chorus
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: nj
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:20:26 GMT


Hello a:singing,
 I am writing on behalf of the Delware Valley Men's Chorus.  It is a gay
men's chorus which meets in Princeton for rehearsals at the United
Methodist Church on Nassua St and Vandeventer Ave.  The first rehearsal
is today Jan. 4, 1993 at 7:30 pm.  The peice they are preparing is a
piece first done by the Turtle Creek Chorale called "when we no longer
touch"  it is for a benefit concert to be held at Richardson Auditorium
sometime in March and again in Philadelphia (nbot quite sure where).
  Sorry for the short notice but if you need more info please e-mail me
as I don not usually read this group!

ernesto@phoenix.princeton.edu
Teddy Gelabert

oh, hi, billy!!
Teddy Gelabert

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From: an4782@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.motss
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:25:00 GMT

As others have probably mentioned at some point, perhaps the fact we
ought to be focussing on is that in Chinese astrology, 1993 will be
the Year of the Cock.
Oh well, that's just the oriental bit of me resurfacing I guess.  

(Motssers will now be trying to produce lewd witticisms out of that 
last sentence)
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From: chris@cpp.uucp (Chris Bartlett)
Subject: Please send me: Gays/Lesbians in military book list
Organization: Critical Path Project
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 13:38:08 GMT
Keywords: GLB, military, list

Hello ! I noticed a recent posting of a bibliography dealing
with Gays and Lesbians in the military. Unfortunately, I
accidentally deleted it before reading, and I would very
much like to see it.

If you still have the list on your newsreader, please send
it to me here.   Thank you.   Chris.

-- 
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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Pride rings going mainstream? (was Re: Pride Ring Colours...
Organization: Free Faerie Front
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:16:55 GMT

In article <rizzoe.641.726445103@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU> rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>
>Speaking of co-opting symbols, I was rather surprised to see full page ads 
>in both Time and Newsweek before the holidays asking people to tie a red 
>ribbon to their car antenna to show that they are against drunk driving. 

I think this usage of the red ribbon antedates its use as an AIDSly
symbol by many years; I believe it was instituted by MADD ("Mothers
Against Drunk Drivers", later "Mothers Against Driving Drunk") in the
early '80s.

(Me, I'm a member of Joe Bob Briggs's counter-group, DAMM ("Drunks
Against MADD Mothers").)
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
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From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: Digital Queers raise $$$ for NGLTF at San Francisco MacWorld
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:28:30 GMT

rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:

>trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell) writes:
>>    Quark is one way cool company.  They were also mentioned in a Newsweek
>>article on the boycott last week specifically as having been openly against
>>the boycott.  Thus far they're the only CO company I'm worried about
>>boycotting.

>	Stop - Rewind - Reverse it...  I think you meant "openly
>for" not "openly against" - at least given the press release *I* Read.

    Quite so!  Thanks, BBC, I just got on today and read that and said to
myself, "Self, type less and think more!"  :-)

--
   Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
      "Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado." - Melinda Shore
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From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Different Dogs
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:47:13 GMT

In article <1icknkINN8pb@spim.mti.sgi.com>, dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:
> |> If the dog doesn't awaken this neighbour, why would a phone call?
> 
> Because it will interrupt the sexual liason between the dog and the
> neighbor, cause the man to lose his erection and have to answer the
> phone.

what i want to know is how the dog barks with its mouth full?

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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bar-B-Q Etiquette
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:51:41 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan12.234758.630@netcom.com> 
foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye) writes:

> I get hungry thinking of any greasy heap
> of pinkish paper holding the smells of smoked meat.

Mmmmmm-mmmmm.  My stomach's growling.  (Greasy paper
always affects me that way.)

> All of this reenforced my determination to construct that 55-gallon
> drum smoker for this summer. We have an abundance of venison in
> those parts.

When can I expect an invitation?

Arne
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Unvarying standards of male unattractiveness
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:03:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.040318.7614
Organization: insert anything here

In article <18292@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>What I find most attractive about Disneyland is not the rides, or the
>entrails of American culture laid bare before the world, but the wonderful
>anonymity afforded by the Mickey Mouse and Pluto costumes, to name a few.
>What a nice feeling to think that, disguised as a lovable cartoon
>character, you can practically do *anything* and people would think
>it was cute. A secret fantasy of mine has been to run down a crowded 
>street in San Francisco--or better still, London--shouting obscenities,
>dressed as Mickey Mouse. What a beautiful mindfuck that would be.
>Or somehow to persuade a jury to dress up as an array of Disney
>characters, and pronounce Caspar Weinberger as...guilty!

	I've had the same fantasy (dressing up as a character),
but I always wanted to be Minnie...  I mean --- I'd get to grab
any hetersexual furry daddy and make him dance with me!  :-)
Actaully I culd make any of the characters play into my hands... :-)

BBC
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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:58:24 GMT

I write:
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>>4.5 years. Two catcalls.
>'Ooh! Girlfriend!' doesn't count.

Depends on the tone of voice. The calls used the same words I used for
myself ('flikker', 'faggot') but the tone was what made it into a
catcall and bothered me.

								FJ!!
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: "In the Life"/Gay Comedian/Military Ban
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:08:23 GMT

Three Queer queries ;-)

1.  On Wednesday December 30th I caught the tail end of a show on Channel 9
(KQED) that came on at 10:30pm.  It seems to be a gay positive variety show
with some very serious supporters.  I wish to know more about this show and
hope someone out there can inform me (and whomever else might be interested).

What I do know is that it apparently is only telecast once a month but I do
not know where it is filmed and what the entire premise of "In The Life" is.
Is it possible to get ahold of back episodes?  How long has it been running?

2.  I saw a gay comedian who has appeared on MTV's comedy show and is very
open and frank about his orientation (despite his predominantly het audience).
This same comedian appeared during the last few minutes of the above mentioned
"In The Life" episode.

3.  I have heard that on January 21st Clinton will be officially signing the
order to remove the military ban against homosexuals.  Can anyone confirm
this and what exactly are the implications of the signing of this disban?
For example, what does the law mean?  Will gays now have to proclaim their
orientation upon enlistment?  Will the section on the enlistment form be
officially removed?  What?

Thanks for your help.

-Rich
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From: gsmith@polyhymnia.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Mormon At Large
Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 18:46:51 GMT

In article <1io9a1INN3ln@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu
(Gary Byma) writes:

>I am reminded of a similar discussion by my semantics professor,
>who noted that a certain author of a text on semantics would likely be stuck
>on the train because Amtrak used to announce, "Next stop, New
>Haven. All doors will not open." Let's hope that you would have the
>good sense to get off the train, Jess.

Have you ever been in New Haven?  A person getting off the train there
could hardly be described as exercising good sense.

I think Yale should buy Fort Ord and move to Sunny California.

>You wouldn't want spend the afternoon on Amtrak listening to the
>latest version of syntactic theory.

This sounds like a pleasant way to spend an afternoon on Amtrak to me.
Certainly a lot better than listening to someone else's dubious taste
in music, for example.

>We can test this empirically of course, if someone wants to give me a
>grant...

I will give you my opinion for a nominal fee.

-- 
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University 
               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:33:36 GMT

In article <76389@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>Arne:
>
>>I'll try spelling this out: ALL GAY MEN ARE NOT HUMORLESS ASSHOLES
>>WHO THINK THAT SMOKING CIGARS AND DROPPING THEIR PANTS ON ANY
>>PRETEXT WHATEVER SUBSTITUTE FOR THAT THING KNOWN AS A "PERSONALITY".
>
>I do believe that was the soc.motss equivalent of an air raid siren.  Time
>to head for the bomb shelters.

But its just getting good!  Stilleto heels at 20 paces. To the death, or 
at least until one or the other gets a run in her stocking.  Popcorn anyone?
I do say I've never seen george funnier than when he's calling somebody
else catty and humorless, though I imagine it would be too much to hope
that he's doing that intentionally.

Ry
ry@usl.com
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 00:34:00 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <73159@cup.portal.com> <1ijfucINNpkj@mizar.usc.edu>
  <73218@cup.portal.com> <1993Jan9.050027.12385@macc.wisc.edu>

Jess Anderson writes:
>Are you in possession of yourself?  If so, why are you

Yes.

>shouting?  (I believe you must mean "Not all gay men are,

Because Arne either willfully or not doesn't seem to get the
message; naive to think that "shouting" would help get the 
idea across, I concede.

>rather than "All gay men are not," by the way.)

A difference without a difference, methinks.

>But the point here is, you're being more than a little
>acid-tongued yourself, and you've consistently excoriated
>Arne for some little time.  There can hardly be a sentient

True enough; but I don't manufacture items to deride people
over, as Arne has done with me. Nor do I go off on people
at (seemingly) random.

>soul in these quarters who doesn't know of your contempt.
>Why, then, is it necessary to say it again?

Steve Dyer asked.  ;-)

>Here's the button:
>I would like to know how you define "queen" such that you  
>are not one.

Simple -- any title that Arne claims for himself is something
I want nothing to do with.

>I would like you to be very specific about
>this, and include reliable guides for a taxonomy that
>divides the universe of gay men into queens and not-queens.
>I would like you to assign the following persons to the
>appropriate category, as you define it:

[List deleted]

Well, I don't know Howard Faye well enough -- net wise or
in person -- to say anything.  But in accord with what I
just said -- Arne put himself on the list.  He has previously
stated that he sees being a "bitchy queen" as the preeminent
mode of social interaction for gay men. I *strongly* disagree.

 
() My heart is pure as the driven slush.
()      -- Tallulah Bankhead
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Another Group Joins Boycott
Date: 10 Jan 1993 06:28:37 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



The following was announced on a local news station tonight (NBC-Denver):  
"Amendment 2 is being blamed for another convention cancellation.  
The National Association of Hispanic Journalists planned to bring 
a thousand members to Denver in March.  But today, the group's 
executive board voted to cancel" (transcribed from videotape).

Yes!!  Many thanks to the members of that association for letting it
be known that they will not tolerate any form of bigotry...

                             
-maria
From: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu (Amelia T. Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: My 5-year HS Reunion... the results!
Date: 5 Jan 93 20:10:02 GMT
Organization: Medical School Computer Facility, UPENN

In article <1hqfjfINN8pa@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunExpress Support Engineer) writes:
[...]
> it was well concealed.  (For the record, this was in central NJ)  Mark and
> I both went to my 5 year college and his 15(?) year college, also no problems.
> His 20 year high school (I still can't deal in numbers THAT big) is next year
> and we plan to go.  Reunions can be more fun than one would have ever imagined.

Thanks, Howard. For some reason, this gives me more hope than I 
might have had. My 20th HS reunion is next fall, and I think I'm 
going to go ... I just have to decide whether I'll go by myself, 
or with one or both of my lovers ...

Amelia, who has had a *very* busy 1992.

                   ----- Amelia T. Smith -----
University of Pennsylvania     Internet: smith@mscf.med.upenn.edu 
Opinions: MINE! MINE! MINE!    NBCS: H-f-t-w++d-s+(+)k+p++e++g+
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, etc.
Date: Sat,  9 Jan 93 19:33:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <73238@cup.portal.com> <1993Jan9.215414.10387@spdcc.com>
  <mattm-090193162836@mcmelmon.apple.com>

Melmac writes:
>Steve Dyer writes:
>>[...]
>Really, Stephen, you've been entirely too pleasant with the boob.

*PHEW!!*

If Melmac thinks I'm a boob, I must be doing just fine among
people with functional central nervous systems.

-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
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From: crombie@iisat.alt.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Public Access UNIX
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 03:54:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.204040.5631@wixer.cactus.org>, will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz) writes:
> I recently went shopping for a new bottle of
> cologne and was reminded by the variety of choices
> available. Among those were: Obsession, Drakkar Noir,
> Stetson, Kouros, and Eternity for Men. 
> 
> Does anyone have any idea what the most popular
> may be within the gay community. Is there any special
> preference? Are the manufacturers aware of this?
> 
Judging by the stench in the local bar here, I'd say Obsession
was the front-runner, at least on the weekends. I'm beginning
to believe that it, like Spandex, should be a controlled
substance, placed in the hands of only those who can demonstrate
that can use it for the greater good of humanity.


-- 
Kevin Crombie		Public Access Unix
UUCP:  {dalcs,ulowell}!iisat!crombie
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, etc.
Date: 11 Jan 93 02:50:45 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Bob Donahue writes:
>>        These last two sentences contradict each other.  I think you
>>mean "*frequently*" not "*consistently*", and even then I'm not so

>"Consistently" is not a synonym of "constantly," which is how
>you seem to be taking it.

	Nope, it's not, but that's not how I was using it.
I still assert that frequently is a better word to describe the
point you want to make.

>>sure I'd agree with you.  At the very least I'd have a hard time taking
>>you seriously given your penchant to substitute different verbs from
>>the line the posting software puts into followup that

>BZZZT.  Closed mind, der cub.  Not everyone uses the same
>software, just as not everyone uses the same kind of computer.
>I generate my own "writes/squeals/shrills/moans/grunts:" lines.


	Oh, pardon moi.  I forgot - you still use an OS that requires
other OS's to provide the backbone it slurps off of.  No matter
the point is still the same --- which is, that you  have a tendancy
to discount whole people based in part on their dissimilarity to you,
or more accurately, specific dissimilarities to you, while at the
same time cry "foul" when people treat you the same way.  In
that, you are almost always consistent, at least when Furrbaited[tm].

>>I can't take someone seriously who could spend a lot of time
>>tearing apart someone's character when they haven't availed themselves of
>>possibilities to look that person in the face when doing so...

>Then I expect you don't take Arn* seriously either.

	I, unfortunately missed Arne on his trip to Boston.
I intend to make up for this on one of my soon-to-be-fairly-frequent
jaunts to L.A.  And of course, I intend to look you up as well.
There are very few people I don't take seriously to some degree,
mostly VERY stupid salespeople (a chorus of people who have
in the past seen my ballistic side are saying "No shit!" to their
respective computers...) and others of that ilk.  I talk to traffic,
and I don't take *myself* seriously when doing so.  Steve said
something a little strange/about me in a posting a while back, I didn't
take it *too* seriously, although I thought of a better comeback
hours later... (it had to do with serving him two-headed chicken
for dinner, for anyone still trying to keep track :-) ... and I'm
never sure if people "get" my werird sense of humor sometimes...

	There are times to take someone seriously, and there are times
not to.  It's not carved in stone on a person-to-person basis,
but on a situation-to-situation basis for *each* person.  Getting
that trick is not easy, and those that do it best tend to be the
people who everyone wants to be around them...

BBC
From: mikel@dosbears.UUCP (Mike Lipsie)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Costner plans Colorado Filming
Date: 5 Jan 93 05:23:01 GMT
Reply-To: dosbears!mikel@pyramid.com
Distribution: soc
Organization: DOS Bears

In article <1993Jan3.153820.16353@nmt.edu> jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:
>
>On the TV news the other night they said that New Mexico is going to
>try again to get a gay rights bill through the legislature.  This
>was tried two years ago and failed.  The news program had one of
>these call in opinion lines and was showing 70% _against_ a gay
>rights bill.  

New Mexico has a funny population (funny peculiar).  Predominantly
Roman Catholic; very strong Hispanic tradition; AND very much
MYOB.  It makes for a rather schitzoid life sometimes, but ...

--
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