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From: liqiang@kramden.nyu.edu (Li)
Subject: Re: FREE TIBET!
Organization: New York University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:14:23 GMT

n9148984@henson.cc.wwu.edu (LT) writes:

>an7955@anon.penet.fi writes:

>>Recent postings show just how brutal the Chinese regime is in Tibet. 
>>It is time for China to let go of Tibet and let Tibetans run their 
>>own country!

>What postings?  Please  document your claims. 

>>FREE TIBET!
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- Li, Qiang
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Living cost in China
Keywords: $20,000
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:51:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>That's why "Xia4Hai3"("go to the sea" to catch money) is becoming
>more and more popular as "go oversea" did.

I got a letter from my uncle in Guei zhou, saying that there were some
special days designated as offical xia4hai3 days that every govenment
officials up to city level go to free market as a vender.  In case they
lose their job later, they would have had some kind of experience of
survive... 
 
-- 
Want to write in Chinese on PC?  Get dngdng12.zip from 130.49.2.61 in
directory /pub/incoming.  With it, you can post in Chinese too.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Xin1 Nian2 Kuai4 Le4 , Wan4 Shi4 Ru2 Yi4
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:07:41 GMT

zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:

>1. "A criminal has HIS anti-social behaviors when a situation ..."

Please not this time.

>2. "God, our lord, HE leads us to a state of ...

What?

>Amen! (Ah, men!)

>---- A man
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From: n0r1688@zeus.tamu.edu (Raghunand Natarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Blame US Industry (Was Re: L.S.U. Professor says...).
Date: 23 Jan 1993 22:10 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
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Summary: Blame US Industry for offering jobs to foreigners at lower salaries !
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <00967031.28928DC0.11865@rankin.aspentec.com> reginald@rankin.aspente
c.com (Suresh Reginald) writes:
>     The following appears in the Jan '93 issue of 'Chemical
>Engineering Progress', a 'standard' popular ChemE journal.

Quote from that "Letter to Editors" by R.G.Rice (Louisiana State University),
about foreign graduate students in US Univs., follows....

">Almost as bad, the many that stay in the U.S. (e.g., over 80% of Asian Indian 
students) often work for less than Americans, and thereby depress salary levels"

First of all, I'm not sure that Indian (or other foreign) students take up jobs
in the US for less than what American nationals might ask for (as pay).
But, if that is true, surely the 'culprit' is the American Industry, which
OFFERS these jobs for less to foreigners in the first place. I guess, they've
found that they can get the same quality, for less. It's that "Free Market",
that Americans like to preach about (I'm a convert, BTW :-)).... you live by
it, you die by it. It may not be good for US graduates, but their industry
seems to like it.

But Shams Hassan is correct... most people wouldn't like this happening in
their own country (i.e, foreigners coming in and working for less). All
I'm saying is, people who don't like such a state of affairs should point their
fingers at the right entity, viz., the employers who hire these foreigners for 
less..... and not at the foreigners themselves.

Regards...

-Raghu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wxj7897@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: English Grammar Checker
Reply-To: wxj7897@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:49:12 GMT

Wendy:

I've got a grammar checker, called "Correct Grammar", it's a DOS app
and works with most word processors.  The vendor is:
Writing Tools Group, Inc.
One Harbor Drive, Suite 111
Sausalito, CA 94965
Phone:(800)523-3520

It costs about $80 dollars include shipping and handling. 

I ordered the software a year ago, and was hoping it would significantly
improve my writting skill.  It didn't.  I felt pretty disappointed with
myself rather than the software.  My expectation was too high, no mechan-
ical thing can ever achieve that.  It wasn't able to correct some obvious
grammatical mistakes.  I wouldn't bet on that (or any other) software to 
make a decent writing, not for myself.

Good luck.

Wei
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: An open letter to Lee Deng-hui
Date: 23 Jan 1993 11:45:55 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

In article <C1AMnp.Mtu@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>/* stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) wrote */:
>* 
>* Tian Xia Wei Gong, the nation belongs to the people.
>
>Just an obvious correction in the translation:
>the world belongs to the male. 
>
Or you can say:
The world is for the male.

>xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu | Subscribe Chinese Poem Exchange and Discussion List 

Tingli Pan
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From: defee@cs.tut.fi (Irek Defee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.caribbean,soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.croatia,soc.culture.czecho-slovak
Subject: Study Digital Signal Processing
Summary: International University Program
Keywords: study, digital signal processing, Europe
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:01:28 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: peltopyy.cs.tut.fi


	INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM IN DIGITAL SIGNAL PROCESSING
	          SIGNAL PROCESSING LABORATORY
                TAMPERE UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY
		        TAMPERE, FINLAND

The Signal Processing Laboratory at Tampere University of
Technology is offering a one-year study Program for graduate 
and undergraduate Electrical Engineering students. Upon 
satisfactory completion of the Program, interested students
may apply for admission to the MSc Program, and further to a 
PhD research study at the University. Holders of BSc degree need 
additional six to twelve month of studying to get the MSc degree.  

The Signal Processing Program is aimed at senior under-graduates
and first-year graduate students in Electrical Engineering and
Computer Science. The program has emphasis on modern digital
signal processing methods and new applications giving a solid
background both for graduate studies and industrial employment. 

The courses offered in the Program range from basic intensive
DSP  to  more advanced  and  specialized  topics  in nonlinear 
processing, HDTV, digital audio, new signal processors and VLSI 
systems design.

The Signal Processing Laboratory has modern equipment and
facilities. Over fifty staff members in the Laboratory are involved 
in advanced research in the theory and applications of digital 
signal processing in TV, multimedia, audio, speech and VLSI systems.

The official language in the Program is English.

For further information, please contact:

Prof. Moncef Gabbouj, email: moncef@cs.tut.fi, tel. + 358 31 161 967	
Prof. Irek Defee,     email: defee@cs.tut.fi,  tel. + 358 31 162 696	
                                               fax: + 358 31 161 857
From: kai@cherokee.unl.edu (Kai Qian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:01:58 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cherokee.unl.edu
Summary: gifted program
Keywords: gift

this is a gifted program

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xu-dennis@yale.edu (dennis xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan,yale.forum
Subject: A Special movie show and Presentation by the movie director
Date: 26 Jan 1993 14:20:15 -0500
Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

**** 		Yale Mainland-Taiwan Society 		******

			Presents

   A Special movie show and Presentation by the movie director


   Title of Movie: Tui1 Shou3
	(This movie was awarded three prizes of 1991 Golden House Prize)
	The movie will be shown by 35mm movie projector

   Invited Speaker: Lee, An (the Director of Tui1 Shou3)
	The best director awardee of 1991 Golden House Prize

   Topic:	How to produce a good movie, taking Tui1 Shou3 as an 
		example;
		The culture differences between American and Chinese

   Time:	2:00pm - 5:00pm
		Sunday, Jan. 31, 1993

   Place:	Lecture Hall
		Yale University Arts Gallary
		1111, Chapel St.
		New Haven, CT


*********** 	Admission FREE! 	See you there!!!   **************** 
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From: chchen@milton.u.washington.edu (C-CHEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Attitude
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:52:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Reply-To: chchen@u.washington.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu


gliu@iti.org (Guo Liu) wrote:
**************************************************************************
    The obstacle of unification is KMT.   KMT were rich people in the old
days before fled, they are still richer than most of the other Chinese 
people.   KMT refused to help the poor majority of the Chinese in the 
old days, but to tax the poor and rely on the rich.  Now the little KMT's
are doing the same thing --- blocking taiwan business people to invest 
in mainland which obviously benifits the majority of the Chinese. 

    What should be done about KMT and unification ?  1) The mainland people
(including CCP) should work hard to get richer, this will enable them 
to have more advanced weapons. 2) At an aproppriate time, TAKE TAIWAN BY 
FORCE.  This will elliminate little KMT's entirely.

    Why wipe out KMT's ? -- they are too selfish. 

    Little KMT's like Steven Lin may not like this, but it may happen !
************************************************************************

There are basiclly two types of KMT people that ran away from Mainland to Taiwan. 
1: Soldiers. Some of them are very poor at the early time and still are not
   adequately taken care today. These people love China, and "unfortunately" most 
   of them are very upset about CCP just like you are about the KMT. 
2: Rich people and ROC goverment officers. They were very eager fighting back to
   mainland to get their power back. Most of their sons, daughters, are either
   currently the officiers in the goverment of Taiwan or they are in USA. They
   took the best of part of everything. At the early time, their mind is set 
   at recovering the lost power and had no attention in developing Taiwan except 
   holding on military enfocement. If they feel Taiwan was unsafe to live, they
   went to USA. Numerous facts speak. 

I feel sorry for the old soldiers today and I hope there is no such occurrence
again for many people just being used to fulfill unjustified course in the future. 
I do agree you that the old KMT was corrupt. The old KMT is also lawless. They
killed people on street, who are suspicious of CCP activity. I guess you must
be hurt so much that you hate KMT so much.

As for today, it is sad to see someone as you still holding the same attitude
for an old day problem. 
 





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From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: 100th birthday of Madam Sun
Date: 27 Jan 1993 20:21:44 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: paronomasia.engin.umich.edu

In article <1993Jan27.181158.6896@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>In article <93Jan27.115308est.52@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan27.162031.1443@zip.eecs.umich.edu> joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan27.150329.29166@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> wang@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Gang Wang) writes:
>>>>Great Era (b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>: Today is the 100th birthday of Madam Sun (Sun, Soong Ching Ling).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>: Great Era.
>>>>
>>>>Great lady.
>>>
>>>Why?
>>
>>because she's probably among the very few in both KMT and CCP continue
>>to follow Dr. Sun's guidelines after his death, both KMT and CCP brasses
>>should ashamed of their infighting and power grabbing since then.  
>
>Could some netter tell me more about Madam Sun? China's XinHuaSher says
>she devoted herself to people's democratic revolution, socialism
>revolution and construction, and that she guarded world peace, promote
>human progress, not selfish, brave ...
>
>Still I have no idea what she has done to be respected by Chinese so much.
>This is not a flame to Madam Sun. I just want to know more about her.

	Maybe Madam Sun is everything her younger sister Soong May Ling is
not.  That probably will tell you something about her.

- C. Yang
From: zdchang@coos.dartmouth.edu (David Z. Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Shandongnese!
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:14:04 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Hello all Shandong Lao Xiang;

This is a message about Overseas Shandongnese List. The first draft of the
Overseas Shandongnese List has been released. If anyone responded me but has
not received a copy, please let me know. My apologies that this draft is not
an enjoyfully readable. Obviously, there are many things I have to do to 
improve the list, like sorting by last names, etc. I might also have made some
mistakes when I collect the information. If any found, please email me.

Please also spread this message to other Shandongnese who are not in the list.

I appreciate all the suggestions I have received and will be received. I am
looking forward to providing  you all a better version of Overseas Shandongnese
List. 

Wish you all have a happy Rooster year!

David
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: an7955@anon.penet.fi (a.committee.of.real.tibetans)
Subject: Re: Tibet: People Continue to Hope [forwarded article]
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.china
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:15:25 GMT

In article <93Jan24.141758est.150@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> you write:
>I wonder since during 1950-51 the PLA routed the local Tibetan forces,
>entered Larsa, and since they obviously are ruthless bunch of liers and
>murderers like you said, why bother negiotiate an agreement with
>Dalai Lama?  why not shoot him then and there, since Tibet had nothing
>to negoiate with?  While at it, why do the Communist put PanChen Lama
>back on his rightful Throne which his peer Dalai took away from him
>and force him into exile?  or they can get rid of Dalai, dethrone
>him and his supporting nobles, like Yuan, Qing dynasties did it
>before, and install some other wet-behind-the-ear 2 year old,
>(come to think of it, how to you prove the current Dalai or the
>way before him the "real" living budda?  didn't the Qing Emperor(aka "invader"
>got rid of the "real" one a couple of re-incarnations ago?  if
>so the current one is a fake!  ;-> )  
>and "God-King No. 2"  Panchen be his teacher by right & tradition, they 
>ought to brain-wash the little brat to be very grateful to Panchen 
>and loyal to his "chinese invaders".   
>
>oh, how stupid the the "invaders" are, allow both Dalai and Panchen
>to keep their titles, and travel aboard to India freely in the 50s,
>continue have influence in government, hesitate on land reform,
>fearing it would really piss off the nobles(which they later did), 
>which is the real power behind the boy god-King.   
>
The writer conveniently overlooks the very basic fact that the Dalai Lama
and 80,000 to 100,000 followers fled Tibet when the invaders took over Lhasa.

Further, the Panchen Lama spoke out against the Chinese regime toward the 
end of his life.  He died of mysterious circumstances shortly after he started
to speak out.  

Further, the Panchen Lama was required to base himself in Beijing where he 
could be kept under close surveillence -- he was allowed to visit Tibet only 
under very tight control by the ruling regime.  Even when he travelled abroad
he was under the tightest control.  When he travelled to Australia, for example,the dignities whom he met complained about the interference from the Chinese 
security agents assigned to the Panchen Lama.  This is all well documented.  

The Panchen Lama was in fact imprisoned soon after the invasion of Tibet.  To
all independent observers, the Panchen Lama was clearly a man who was told 
what to do and what to s.  Jail was always waiting for him if he chose not 
to toe the line.  In the end he probably paid with his life.  

A Committee of Real Tibetans

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From: AWANG@gems.vcu.edu (Aijuan Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: SUB SOC.CULTURE.CHINA
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:18:34 GMT
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From: jxl43@po.CWRU.Edu (Jianfeng Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Show Down
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:14:53 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jxl43@po.CWRU.Edu (Jianfeng Li)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) says:

> the chinese ballets are okay, not bad for an oriental country(at least
>this is one of these big Soviet brother helped to build a base for).  ;->  
>Of course, the best ballets are the Ruskys and the French, but these
>days, i guess it's not to hard to wave some hard currency to hire 
>a couple of stars & instructors from the Boshi or the Kirov.  
>
Partially wrong. It is true that the french started the ballet, but they are
nothing today. Outside of the former Soviet block, we might be able to say the
british royal ballet company is the best.After the british ,then it is the 
chinese's turn.(note , at least half of the dancers in the royal ballet 
are from russia).

Regards/Jianfeng Li
From: phsjjc@emory.edu (James J. Cen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Delays of SCC articles at my site...
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:27:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

The SCC articles appearing at my site are about 5 days old.  Have others experienced the same problem lately?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:05:27 EST
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Where can I find Chinese lessons for beginners?
Distribution: ba


On SCC free for any levels.
Suggest donation to Lix, who has
Ci1 Hai3.
From: hpan@hila.hut.fi (Huachen Pan)
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:26:35 GMT

In article <C19LJ4.8Ev@fiu.edu> stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye) writes:

>their own clinics are doing very well. The poorest in China are
>probably professors. People go to see a doctor when they are sick, but they
>don't go to see a professor when they are stupid.

At least science or engineering professors are definitely not poor. There is
a system in university that person can legally take 7 to 12 percent of 
research fund into staffers pocket as 'lao2 wu4 fei4' or extra research
bonus. Professors, often being the project manager (xiang4 mu4 fu4 ze2 ren2)
usually get highest bonus. The yearly research income in Tsinghua university
is around 70 million yuan (1990 figure), and 30 million in Zhejiang universityabout 10 percent of them become pocket cash. Remember their normal salary
and subsidies is paid by state budget, nothing to do with research fund.
professors can easily use other part of the research fund for personal
purposes, such as home phone installation and fees. Professors or other
research staffer can also use research fund to participate conferences 
(usually held in some hot travel places and the professor can decide 
exclusively by himself whether to come or not, everybody knows it's a
public funded tourist travel). According to the rule, professor
can use highest train class (soft wagon) during the travel and can
raimburse 50 yuan per day for hotels. If you happen to stay in private homes,
you can get part of hotel money back. Professors can also get lots of other
incomes, for example, review fees for papers or dissertations. (something
like 50 yuan for a thesis) Even publication in the sientific journals can
bring manuscript fees to the author. That is something unique in China.

Although the above mentioned money is still ridiculous low according to 
the international standard, consider the price level in China and housing
policy, the real value of every Yuan earned in China is probably 10 times
higher. You can put an additional zero on the number. Then it's hard to
say the professors are poorer than others. 

It is not easy to become a professor (because everybody wants to be). That's
not starnge why some people, after earned their Ph.D in the West, is willing
to trade their carears in the West to exchange a professorship in China, 
in their 30's. 

>
>
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Living costs in China
Date: 23 Jan 1993 00:01:56 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <C19Lt4.IH7@ucunix.san.uc.edu> wanz@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zhangyong Wan) writes:
>
>A simple arithmetic will tell that a taxi driver can NOT make 20,000 US 
>dollars a year.  The current rate of taxi is 1.60 RMB/km with 14.40 RMB
>minimum (9 km's), which is approximately $2.  To make $20,000 a year, he or 
>she has to make $60 a day, and so has to carry 30 passengers or drive 
>250 km a day, without even mentioning the expense for gas and maintenance 
>of the vehicle.  It is even not that easy to make $60 a day in this 
>country if you don't have a regular job.

Great! a self-comitted mistake!
Many of taxi drivers told me they make RMB 200-300 per day. This is the
raft number of money received, not net profit. That means they can make
RMB 6000-9000 a month, and 72,000-108,000 a year. Taking the max as 
RMB 108,000, isn't it close to 20,000 U$ a year (the rate 1:5.x)?

Of course, the taxi is the property of the CCP, the drivers can only earn
RMB 200 a month, they have to pay up (Shon Chiao) the rest of money to
earn bonus. So, the drivers have many ways to make money.

A taxi driver in Beijing told me one day deal costs me RMB 300, when I finished
up my journey, he asked for RMB 330. Another driver in Hang-chow told me
one day deal for 200 RMB, I paid 220 + 10 for tip. While I went to lunch
(he took me to the restaurant), he got one free lunch. From the above examples,
the taxi drivers make money to their own pockets in their ways. They have
choice to stay road side to take a nap, or to run around to pick up more 
passengers. Overall, the taxi drivers make more money than the MD or popular
professors. 

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