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From: matt@ra.oc.com (Matthew Lyle)
Subject: Homebuilders: How firm are the prices?
Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX
Distribution: dfw
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 05:35:39 GMT

How firm are the custom/semi-custom homebuilders out there on their asking
price?  In the couple of cases I've looked into the are offering some
incentives and in one case they also "threw in" the "window treatments" 
(aka drapes/blinds) and a refrigerator. 

Is there any rule of thumb, that anyone can suggest, as to how much a
potential buyer can "extract" from the sellers?? :)


-- 

Matthew Lyle                                           matt@oc.com
                                                       matt@utdallas.bitnet
OpenConnect System, Dallas, Texas                      (214) 888-0474
Newsgroups: dfw.general,alt.tv.seinfeld,rec.arts.tv
From: alan@ernest.itg.ti.com (Alan Edmonds)
Subject: Re: Help! Looking for Seinfeld/Mad About You (Episode 11/11/92)
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. - Plano, Tx
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:00:10 GMT
Summary: thanks

In article <BxM1Hr.9E5@ernest.itg.ti.com> I asked:
>Did anyone tape the Seinfeld and/or Mad About You episode on 11/11/92?
>I screwed up and didn't get it taped.  My wife and I were away from
>the tube and missed it.  I'm not looking for a 'mint' quality recording
>for a collection; I just want to watch it.

I got a copy.   Thanks.
(Now I gotta get rn fixed so I can cancel my own articles)

-- 
Alan Edmonds                                     Texas Instruments, Inc.
I don't speak for TI; TI doesn't speak for me    M/S 8515
Work phone: (214)575-6427                        6620 Chase Oaks Blvd.
Email: edmonds@lobby.ti.com                      Plano, Texas  75023
Newsgroups: dfw.general
From: emcguire@intellection.com (Ed McGuire)
Subject: Re: RFD: dfw.hockey
Organization: Intellection, Inc.
Distribution: dfw
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:45:57 GMT

In article <31200004@tisdec.tis.tandy.com> chris@tisdec.tis.tandy.com writes:

   I would like to open discussion for the creation of a local news group
   'dfw.hockey'. The purpose of this news group would be to discuss the
   two NEW teams in the CHL , the Fort Worth Fire, and Dallas Freeze.

   With the advent, once again, of Hockey in the Fort Worth/Dallas area, I think
   that a group supporting the discussion of the local teams might have a
   good base of supporters.

   Now how do we go about getting this new group created properly?

I'd say begin the discussion of DFW hockey right here in dfw.general.
If it gets to be too much traffic, there will be plenty of support to
get a special purpose group created.

Regards, Ed
-- 
Ed McGuire                   1603 LBJ Freeway, Suite 780
Systems Administrator/       Dallas, Texas 75234
 Member of Technical Staff   214/620-2100, FAX 214/484-8110
Intellection, Inc.           <ed@intellection.com>
From: chris@tisdec.tis.tandy.com
Date: 09 Nov 92 10:40 CST
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: RFD: dfw.hockey
Message-ID: <31200004@tisdec.tis.tandy.com>
Nf-ID: #N:tisdec.tis.tandy.com:31200004:000:798
Nf-From: tisdec.tis.tandy.com!chris    Nov  9 10:40:00 1992


I would like to open discussion for the creation of a local news group
'dfw.hockey'. The purpose of this news group would be to discuss the
two NEW teams in the CHL , the Fort Worth Fire, and Dallas Freeze.

With the advent, once again, of Hockey in the Fort Worth/Dallas area, I think
that a group supporting the discussion of the local teams might have a
good base of supporters.

Now how do we go about getting this new group created properly?

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Tandy Information Services        UUCP: ...!trsvax!tisdec!chris
Tandy Technology Sqr, Suite 200
Fort Worth, TX 76102             Phone: 817/878-0308; 8:00am-5:00pm CST,Mo-Fr

GO FIRE, GO! Catch on FIRE......

Newsgroups: dfw.general
From: hurley@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Brian Hurley)
Subject: Re: Homebuilders in the DFW area
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 09:13:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.200711.5653@mksol.dseg.ti.com> joel@dseg.ti.com writes:
>My wife and I are looking at having a house built in the northern part
>of Dallas, i.e., Allen, Frisco, etc. There are a lot of seemingly good
>homebuilders, but I wanted to get everyone's reaction on who to avoid,
>etc.
>

I almost bought a Centennial Home in Wylie, until they started to mess with the
financing behind my back.   I almost had to take them to court to get out of
that deal...  I'll NEVER even think of buying a home from them.

Also, I've heard of problems from Fox & Jacobs.  Several people here have F&J
homes and complain about them but I havn't had any experience with them
myself.

Good luck,

Brian

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From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 05:27:10 GMT
 <Bw3C0I.DCr@sneaky.lonestar.org> <Ht5Qr*E51@caleb.UUCP> <1992Oct15.140238.18740@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
 <oJrRr*L71@caleb.UUCP> <1992Oct21.173648.12509@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <Y6qTr*db1@caleb.UUCP>
 <1992Oct27.062616.4132@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1992Oct27.062616.4132@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:

[ more drivel, lies, deliberate misinterpretations, etc. from Fred - deleted]

> >I knew the consequences when I responded to your postings.  The results are
> >predictable.  You start by deliberately misinterpreting the postings.  Then
> >you make unsubstantiated claims to back up your position.  Things degenerate
> >rapidly.  When you reach the end of your mental abilities (fairly quickly)
> >you usually degenerate into profane insults.
> 
> You really do need professionaly help, Jim.  You should be running
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> political campaigns, given this kind of defamatory lying.

Hey look everyone, Fred actually managed to post his insults without profanity.
Did it hurt much Fred?

Fred, you are the undisputed champion of defamatory lying on this part of the net
(i.e. tx.* and dfw.*.)


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
Xref: sparky dfw.general:666 alt.radio.scanner:2556
From: exusing@exu.ericsson.se (C. Singer)
Newsgroups: dfw.general,alt.radio.scanner
Subject: Scanner Frequencies in Dallas/Fort Worth?
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:25:41 GMT
Reply-To: exusing@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

Howdy,

I recently purchased a scanner from Radio Shack.  I was wondering, does anyone 
know of an on-line list of local frequencies that I could get my hands 
on?  Or do I have to purchase the handy-dandy frequency guide? 
Please send e-mail (and the list if you have it, no ftp-ability) if you 
know.  

Thanks, 

___________________________________________________________________________
* Craig Singer                       * "A Sprit With a Vision             *
* Ericsson Network Systems           * Is a Dream With a Mission"         *
* Richardson, TX USA (not Sweden)    * - N. Peart                         *
* Above opinions (if any) are mine :)* Gig 'em Aggies!!                   *
From: ajahn@digi.lonestar.org (Alfredo Jahn)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: DALLAS VIDEO FESTIVAL (Nov 5-8)
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:18:11 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: DSC Communications, Plano Tx.


DALLAS VIDEO FESTIVAL '92
 
The Video Association of Dallas presents the 1992 "Dallas Video
Festival" at the Dallas Museum of Art (downtown Dallas). The event
runs November 5-8. All day festival passes are $22; single day
passes are $6 (Friday night only) and $8 Saturday or Sunday. 
 
Hours: Friday    7:00 PM - 11:00 PM
       Saturday  12:00 NOON - 11:00 PM
       Sunday    12:00 NOON - 9:30 PM
 
Saturday events include: 
 
       o SIGGRAPH Electronic Theater
 
       o Fiber Optic Panel (discussion on newly approved legislation 
                allowing telephone companies to enter the TV business)
 
       o High-Tech Forum (meet representatives of some of Dallas' 
                high-tech companies, such as Migrografx, Eclipse 
                Technologies, Pixel Semiconductor, and TI)
 
       o The AMIGA Show (features some of the best work by artists using 
                the Amiga computer as a creative tool)
 
       LOTS AND LOTS OF SHOWS!!!  Well worth your time and money!!!
 
 
Tickets available at the door. 
 
Dallas Museum of Art
1717 N. Harwood St.
Dallas TX
 
For information call: 214 651-8888
              or FAX: 214 651-8866



-- 
Alfredo Jahn  INTERNET: ajahn@digi.lonestar.org  UUCP: uunet!digi!ajahn
DSC Communications, Corp.
1000 Coit Road, Plano TX 75075   (214) 519-3545
Newsgroups: dfw.general
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Tailgated in the slow lane
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:25:50 GMT

In <jG1Xr*2g1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:

>In article <1992Oct26.151037.28674@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:

Geez, he finally woke up again.  Unfortunately.

>> It would, Jim.  But then, you think George Will is a moderate and
>> George Bush is a liberal, so who trusts your judgement?

>Fred knows that I have NEVER said (or typed) that President Bush is a liberal.
>President Bush is a moderate.  But Fred enjoys making up lies to post about
>people who have the temerity to disagree with him on the net.

You're a liar, Jim.  Of course, you're so shallow that I'm not even
convinced you're a real person, so I'm not sure it matters that you
lie continuously if you're just a cover account for someone else to
lie through.

>Of course, you just have to consider the source.  Fred thinks that the news
>media is unbiased and objective...

Another demonstration of your reading skills, no doubt; and another
lie.  Of course, Jim has said repeatedly that ALL the media are
participants in a vast liberal plot to make Dan Quayle look bad; as if
it took a plot to do that.  Jim has apparently never noticed that a
fair amount of the print media has a decidedly CONSERVATIVE bias; but
then, from Jim's position on the political spectrum, they probably DO
look liberal.

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Newsgroups: dfw.general,alt.tv.seinfeld,rec.arts.tv
From: alan@ernest.itg.ti.com (Alan Edmonds)
Subject: Help! Looking for Seinfeld/Mad About You (Episode 11/11/92)
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. - Plano, Tx
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:53:50 GMT
Summary: I screwed up

Did anyone tape the Seinfeld and/or Mad About You episode on 11/11/92?
I screwed up and didn't get it taped.  My wife and I were away from
the tube and missed it.  I'm not looking for a 'mint' quality recording
for a collection; I just want to watch it.

If you've got a tape, I'll pay shipping (If it's not illegal :-).

Thanks,

-- 
Alan Edmonds                                     Texas Instruments, Inc.
I don't speak for TI; TI doesn't speak for me    M/S 8515
Work phone: (214)575-6427                        6620 Chase Oaks Blvd.
Email: edmonds@lobby.ti.com                      Plano, Texas  75023
Newsgroups: dfw.general,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial
From: 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Subject: TBA show date..
Organization: Super Dimension Fortress - Public Access Unix - Dallas, Tx.. 
Distribution: dfw
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 20:38:37 GMT

TBA's Calendar oF Events for NoVember: 

Date: November 14th (saturday)
Time: 9pm   
Where: Rock and Roll Revolution, Deep Ellum, main st.
Phone: 761-0741
Why: To Be A true TBA fan
Cover: nada...
FREE: Asteroids, ALL NIGHT LONG...

for flyers, look at bill's records, charleys guitar shop, zoo music
7-11's, street corners with homeless enteprenuers....

email me for more info.  or to be included or (To Be Appended) to the
TBA E-mailing list...!

-- 
Stephen M. Jones (214)436-4622 
SysAdmin <-> Super Dimension Fortress PAU 
6o25@sdf.lonestar.org - "Put in a quarter and play road rally." - Descendents
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: Why do Dallas Drivers pass on the right?
Date: 7 Nov 92 12:27:12 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <eR1Xr*3g1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:

>In article <1992Oct27.062616.4132@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:

>[ more drivel, lies, deliberate misinterpretations, etc. from Fred - deleted]

>> >I knew the consequences when I responded to your postings.  The results are
>> >predictable.  You start by deliberately misinterpreting the postings.  Then
>> >you make unsubstantiated claims to back up your position.  Things degenerate
>> >rapidly.  When you reach the end of your mental abilities (fairly quickly)
>> >you usually degenerate into profane insults.
>> 
>> You really do need professionaly help, Jim.  You should be running
>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>> political campaigns, given this kind of defamatory lying.

>Hey look everyone, Fred actually managed to post his insults without profanity.
>Did it hurt much Fred?

>Fred, you are the undisputed champion of defamatory lying on this part of the net
>(i.e. tx.* and dfw.*.)

I don't think you'll find many people who agree with that, Jim; at
least not so long as YOU are on the net.  But then, you're not a real
person, are you?

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
From: chris@tisdec.tis.tandy.com
Date: 09 Nov 92 10:13 CST
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: What happened to 106.1 - the Oasis?
Message-ID: <31200003@tisdec.tis.tandy.com>
Nf-ID: #R:cpvax.cpses.tu.com:248:tisdec.tis.tandy.com:31200003:000:467
Nf-From: tisdec.tis.tandy.com!chris    Nov  9 10:13:00 1992


The Oasis moved to 107.5, back on the weekend of the 1st.  I was disapointed
in loosing KCDU, but I still haven't changed the alarm radio from 107.5.

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Chris Riney                     Domain: chris@tisdec.tis.tandy.com
Tandy Information Services        UUCP: ...!trsvax!tisdec!chris
Tandy Technology Sqr, Suite 200
Fort Worth, TX 76102             Phone: 817/878-0308; 8:00am-5:00pm CST,Mo-Fr
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: What happened to 106.1 - the Oasis?
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 22:54:41 GMT
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1992Nov2.101600.248@cpvax.cpses.tu.com>, b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com writes:

> What happened to the Oasis?  106.1 to the uninformed.  I tuned in last
> night and found Kiss radio.  At least I think that is what they said.  I
> listened for two songs and then permanently tuned it out.  Is there another
> station that I can listed to jazz on?

I think that they play it part time on KERA 90.1 and another station nearby on
the dial (UNT or TCU station?)


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: Tailgated in the slow lane
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 05:15:31 GMT
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <1992Oct26.151037.28674@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:

> It would, Jim.  But then, you think George Will is a moderate and
> George Bush is a liberal, so who trusts your judgement?

Fred knows that I have NEVER said (or typed) that President Bush is a liberal.
President Bush is a moderate.  But Fred enjoys making up lies to post about
people who have the temerity to disagree with him on the net.

Of course, you just have to consider the source.  Fred thinks that the news
media is unbiased and objective...


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
From: doug@seas.smu.edu (Doug Davis)
Subject: Re: Homebuilders: How firm are the prices?
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Distribution: dfw
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:19:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.053539.12865@ra.oc.com> matt@ra.oc.com (Matthew Lyle) writes:
>How firm are the custom/semi-custom homebuilders out there on their asking
>price?  In the couple of cases I've looked into the are offering some
>incentives and in one case they also "threw in" the "window treatments" 
>(aka drapes/blinds) and a refrigerator. 
>
>Is there any rule of thumb, that anyone can suggest, as to how much a
>potential buyer can "extract" from the sellers?? :)
>

On the surface, very little movement is possible, however there
are several things that you can do to "seemingly" get a better
deal. By this I meen by negiotiating "optional addons".   

It's likely the following scenero will happen, you'll finally find
THOYD (The House Of Your Dreams) But THOYD won't have
everything exactly right, and if your working with a tract home
or a simi-custom home builder you will have to pick out various
carpet, paint, bricks and tile.   Needless to say that 
some of those will cost extra.  This is one way you can
negotiate "the deal"    Do not make an offer until you find
out what "upgrades" you are going to want.  The upgrades
are as a rule marked up big time. Most of them you can get for less
on the open market. $2000.00 for a sprinkler system in a 60x90
yard is a good example.  


Anyway, get all the options you want added into the "asking"
price of the house.  Then subtract whatever allowances they
are willing to put in for selling you the house.   This 
number now represents the maximum you should expect to
have to pay for the house.    From it subtract an approperate
percentage, make your offer from that number.    

*OPINION MODE ON* 
Right now I would expect to pay only about 85% of the
maximum number.  The current conditions in Dallas
is a really screwey real estate market. The HUD people
have hurt the housing industry far more than I think
anyone is aware.   Selling houses far below market 
devaluates entire neighborhoods.    Doing this
drags down the Tract Home and Simi Custom home market
as well.   There are builders building houses just
to keep cash flowing.   The compitition is fearsome
among these builders and if one won't satisfy your
needs for THOYD, walk.   The next one will, or more
likely the first one will have a change of heart, or
at least offer you more free upgrades.
*OPINION MODE OFF*

Newsgroups: dfw.general
From: ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons)
Subject: >>>>>> Homebuilders: How firm are the prices?
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:06:43 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


The prices usually are very firm.  If they lower your price, they decrease
the prices for the rest of the houses in the neighborhood (especially for 
that model).  

However, you can negotiate add-ons.  With a big company, that is usually 
more difficult because the sales people are given narrow parameters to 
negotiate.  Be careful of add-ons, they can be marked up twice as much 
than if you did it yourself.  The worst add-ons are plan changes to the 
foundation.  They got you... 

When looking for a deal, look at used houses.  Right now, home owners can't
compete with the new house builders because of the recent devaluation of
property.  That is, the RTC has sold alot of property cheap and so home 
builders can easily undercut people who paid higher prices for the property. 
Needless to say, this can't last much longer.  The price of used homes must
fall unless the builders start dramatically raising their prices.  

The best deals are from people who must move and are a scared of the banks. 

Thank you. 


						Steve Simmons
Newsgroups: dfw.general
From: doug@seas.smu.edu (Doug Davis)
Subject: Re: Homebuilders in the DFW area (the saga continues)
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:49:07 GMT


Well, Highland torqued me off good today, so I spent the entire afternoon
over at Stone Mill Homes (mesquite) and have to agree with Mike.  I was
impressed with their construction tecniques and their attitude.  

I plan on spending most of my sunday over there and who knows Mike
may have a new neighbor in say 90-120 days ;-)

doug
From: pisser@elecafe (Pisser)
Newsgroups: dfw.general
Subject: Re: What happened to 106.1 - the Oasis?
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 02:35:42 CST
Organization: Electric Cafe BBS - Denton, Texas

b_lmcgilve@cpvax.cpses.tu.com writes:

> What happened to the Oasis?  106.1 to the uninformed.  I tuned in last
> night and found Kiss radio.  At least I think that is what they said.  I
> listened for two songs and then permanently tuned it out.  Is there another
> station that I can listed to jazz on?
> 
> -- 
> Laurel McGilvery		Not only do I not speak for the company,
> CPSES (temporarily)		the company does not speak for me. 
> 
> All opinions expressed are obviously mine.  Who else would own up to them?


107.5 if you haven't figured it out by now.

Glad to inform.
Pisser
Newsgroups: dfw.general