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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Vertigo Preview
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 15:28:34 GMT

In article <s3rrmn@lynx.unm.edu>, rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) writes:
> 
[Sandman Mystery Theather]
> If you like the Barry Winsor Smith kind of art, it is ok.  Personally, this
> series is going to have to be VERY GOOD fro me to tolerate.

The problem is that Davis' art is meant to be seen in B&W.  Look at all
those shading lines... not the kind of thing you do for color work.

[Mercy]
> What else has JM DeMatteis done?  I can't remember.

Moonshadow, and maybe JLA (the first few issues of the latest series, I think).

> Wasn't he writing Constantine and Animal Man for a while?

Nope, that was Jamie Delano.

[Sebastian O]
> Well, bad art, but the panelling makes up for it... I am not too 
> crazy for the Xtraneous Xtra Boob-Women, but it is Grant Morrison.
> When's he going to have Xtraneous Xtra Buff Men?  Oh well.  

By the way, it's obvious "Sebastian O" is supposed to be a Wilde-esque
character, down to the name (Cerebus readers may recall the relation
of the pseudonym "Sebastian Melmoth" to Wilde).  Do I get an honorary
"Queer Card"?  :^)
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From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:58:35 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


  Restricting myself to comics:

MAGE II and III.

SCORPIO ROSE, the last issue.

D'ARC TANGENT, however many issue were left.

WARP, at least another 20 or so issues.


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  the state of facts and evidence"     --      John Adams
From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: SANDMAN:  A Delirium cinema-lookalike
Date: 21 Dec 1992 21:23:35 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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After having seen "Toys" this past weekend, I can only say this:

If a story of the Endless is ever filmed, Joan Cusack has the inside track
for getting Delirium's personality down to a T.

Tim Lynch
"I like that word.  That's a nice word."
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From: afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell)
Subject: Re: Cerebus M&D 14 (spoilers)
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 09:57:32 GMT

In <1gvrnuINN3u1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:


>Yet another issue of Cerebus being pushed from
> place to place by powers he doesn't understand.
> He doesn't have a single line or initiate a
> single action.  

>We learn a great deal of interesting stuff about
> the old woman, but not who she is.  My guess is
> she's a former Cirin (i.e. the current Cirin got
> her job from this one).

Cerebus 164: Cerebus meets Terim.

Andrew (Who shouldn't be posting his opinion, since he hasn't read all the
phonebooks yet.)
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
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Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:29:51 -0600
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Sen. Robert Kelly (rkelly@carina.unm.edu) writes:

>--Lobo's Repent and Conversion into a Homocidal Lesbian Terrorist, by 
>	Dianne DiMassa and Simon Bisley, unedited, printed by anyone
>	else but Time-Warner.

Hack -- choke -- cough !!!

Lobo and Hothead Paisan.  A match made in Hea.., uh, Hel..., uh, maybe New
	Jersey will take them?

Oh, purr!  This I would like to see.

------------------------------
                             |     "What are the odds?!" said Tam, waving a
Jim Drew                     | piece of paper tape.  "*Three* fortunes in a
jrd@frame.com                | row, and *all* the same!"
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     I took the tape and read it aloud.
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     "Hershey... Hershey..."
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     "He has *Ch*inese *c*ookies confused with
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | *ch*ocolate *k*isses," I told Ron.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "His alliterative attempts are *always*
                             | annoying," Ron replied.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Gaol House Rock"
From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
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Subject: No Jaime!? (was Re: Favorite Artist Summary)
Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:29:06 GMT
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Doug Lim (lim@addvax.llnl.gov) wrote:
:                   F A V O R I T E   C O M I C   B O O K
:                       A R T I S T S   S U M M A R Y


: (1) Jaime Hernandez

This really shocks me.  Of all the non-mainstream artists I put on my
list, I thought  Jaime would be one who'd get a decent number of
votes.  Are there no Love and Rockets fans left?  Or do they just
avoid threads like this one because it's so rife with Marvel and DC
stuff?  Anyway, Jaime is a master of facial expression and body
language, and is pretty versatile as well (he can draw everything from
space ships to Big Time Wrestlers to super-heroes to Peanuts kids).
While the stiry may not grab you, the art in LnR is always a treat.
Do yourself a favor and flip through the collections the next time
you're in a shop that has them!

--
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"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
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From: larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: Kirby, Claremont and rights
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 04:55:55 GMT


> > bitter.  Now his prodigious talents are mocked by fanboys and he
> > was last seen pencilling ROM The Spaceknight (imagine Hitchcock
> > reduced to directing episodes of "Beverly Hills 90210").  

I like BH90210 as it is. A Hitchcock episode would be truly awesome and
very interesting. Think about it: Coppola got his start doing stag movies
and cheapies for Roger Corman. Don't EVER pick on the gutter - there are
sooooooo many gems out there. Lotsa fun :->

>Actually, he was last seen doing some fill-in issue(s) for Valiant,
>where his "prodigious talents" looked pretty piss-poor.

Steve Ditko is a true nut. His "public service" package was VERY lame. His
art has gone to shit and all he does is spout that Ayn Rand propaganda shit.
The Comics Journal thinks that it is the ravings of a madman (or genius).
You decide. 

People who want these shitty books can write to: 
Robin Snyder
255 N Forest #405
Bellingham, WA
98225-5833

I don't have all the titles on hand. But that guy actually publishes them. 
Ten times worse than Mr A. It reeeeeeeaaally makes you miss Dr Strange and
Spidey and even his stint on Shadowman or Valiant's former WWF comics line.
Ouch!! Steve Ditko, just like Neal Adams, but only worse. His new stuff is
worse than the latest Image comic book writing. And 5 year olds could draw
better. His stuff looks best if they get a good inker to cover up the 
"mistakes". Heyy - Marvel Comics Presents had a story with Speedball the
Masked Marvel! He did the title. 100 times better than public service stuff,
but still nowhere near the quality of the 60's stuff.

>And I liked ROM... :-)

Me too. Those Dire Wraiths were really cool guys.

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From: stile@okcforum.osrhe.uoknor.edu (Howard Wilson)
Subject: Re: President at Superman's Funeral
Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group
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Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 05:47:00 GMT

Dani Zweig (dani@netcom.com) wrote:
: I thought comics had to be done two or three months ahead of their
: distribution date in order to get into the pipeline in time, but
: Clinton was at Superman's funeral six weeks after the election.

Sorry, but what gave you the impression anything other than Bill Clinton
(and Hillary) was there?  He was not referred to as "President" or even
"President Elect".  (In fact, he wasn't referred to at all, but we all
know that it was Bill and Hillary).  In no way was his having won an
election or having been inaugurated referred to.  Therefore, the
President was NOT at the funeral (I didn't see George anywhere).  This
could have been a simple campaign stop (notice the speech, attempting
to "bring down" Superman's actions, saying what he did was something
we all should have done, rather than leave the yoke for Superman).
 
Howard Wilson II

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Question about LSH #40
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:55:03 GMT

js43+@andrew.cmu.edu (James William Stepanek):
>When I first saw the character I assumed it was Charma...
>I then remembered that she was killed

She was, since her power over men had the side-effect of making her
intolerable to women.  But that doesn't mean she couldn't be cloned.

>people fall into anti-energy reactors all the time, and someone can 
>conveniently create a valid containment suit to hold it.

Well, the meta-gene *is* pretty wide-spread, and the Dominators aren't
very sentimental.  What you do is take a Burroughs clone, or such 
relatives as you can find, or random people off the street, and toss
them into a reactor, one by one, until you get a survivor.  As for
the containment suit, there were probably a few in storage in Flight
Ring Village.

-----
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  much like cottage cheese gets way after the date on the lid says it is all 
  right to buy it.--Scott Jones


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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: SANDMAN: New Years with Delirium (Maybe some spoilers)
Keywords: confetti noise makers champagne Endless stuff like that
Organization: Dense Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:23:39 GMT


Some more bits and pieces from Sandman #46. Possible spoilers, certain 
doom awaits...



- A bit about Bubastis. This was the center for the worship of Bast. She
  was the protector of the city among other things. The city also was 
  known for its immense cat cemetary. The 22nd dynasty, that brought
  Bast to greater prominence, was known as The Bubastites. The city was
  located near the modern Zagazig. (I mention Zagazig because I like 
  saying it and because it just showed up in a Sax Rohmer novel I was 
  reading.) How am I doing, Glenn?

- The Goddess Bast evolved quite a bit. Originally she had the head of a
  tiger and may have been a goddess of war. Later, she was viewed with
  the cat's head (and called Pasht) and was the protector of pregnant
  women, the warmth of a fire and to some extent, music and dance. Her
  actions in the tent seem more true to her sex kitten role. By Herodotus'
  account, the festivals of Bast were quite unruly affairs with a great deal
  of wine consumed. Sorta like Mardi Gras with an emphasis on barges and
  cats.

- So what does Bast mean by "this is no longer your way"? Was Dream once 
  one to talk of pleasant fripperies and forget sensible things?

- Tempus Frangit. Time stops or time shatters or time breaks? Anyone have
  any of the training in Latin that I obviously lack?

- Does Dream stop Nuala's dancing because he's not keen on dancing or because 
  she is wearing the crystal about her neck? Lucien did tell her not to
  let Dream see it.

- I like the bats with cigarettes. Are they part of Merwyn's crew?

- Gee, so Dream was really acting like a lovesick teenager. That was a 
  nice touch that caught me looking. 

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From: glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gord Locke)
Subject: Spidey 2099 #4 (spoilers!)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:25:28 GMT

	I'm surprised there is so little disucussion of SM 2099 here
(except when #1 came out), especially since we all seem so eager to talk
about Peter David's work (ie. suck up = ).  I'm really enjoying this
title so far, and it shows great promise for the future.  The potential
is great for an interesting title; the kind that makes you look forward
to when the comics ship to your store.
	I have a couple of questions to toss out to ya's all: Do you
think Stone knows O'Hara is Spidey?  He's been letting on to O'Hara that
he thinks it's Delgato, but notice the look on his face when Miguel
refuses to shake hands with the Public Eye gronk ...  Venture couldn't
positively identify the individual who was with Delgato the night the
lab blew up, but it's unclear from the exchange between Venture and
Stone in issue #2 (or is it #3?) whether or not they think it was
Delgato who climbed up the wall or not.  Perhaps this was left
intentionally ambiguous to keep us on our toes.  Any thoughts?
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From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Hulk: FUTURE IMPERFECT and PAD sneaking around
Date: 31 Dec 1992 20:11:37 -0800
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Non-spoilers...

Hey, after reading THE INCREDIBLE HULK: FUTURE IMPERFECT #1, am I the only one
who went back to read THE INCREDIBLE HULK #301 and went "Now I know where I've
seen that face from!"?

(Yeah, FI so far seems very predictable and cliche, but if you tie it in to
THE INCREDIBLE HULK #301 and beyond, it seems interesting...)

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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Lucien's Library
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 04:23:53 GMT

eja@carr3.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie) writes:

>What books do YOU want to read out of Lucien's Library.  Let's assume
>he's got a comic book section and an AV department too.

Ooh... I love libraries.  Although I'm sure browsing through the
library would turn up many more interesting things, here are a few
treasures I'd like to seek out:

comics & books:
the originally intended continuations to:
	A Distant Soil,
	Hawk & Dove,
	Omaha Cat Dancer
Good Omens II: 668: The Neighbor of the Beast (and all other sequels)
Sandman prequels: Why/how Delight became Despair
		  What Dream was doing when he was summoned/captured.

films & tv:
Alien Nation: the cliffhanger ending, at least
Blackadder V and on
Dr. Who: "Shada" and more Colin Baker episodes without Peri (no flames)
I, Robot: based on the Ellison screenplay
Knight Life, the movie
Star Trek II, the TV series
Star Wars films 1-3 and 7-9
Watchmen, NOT based on the Sam Hamm ending

audio:
the third Hitchhiker's series
Disney's Aladdin: the six cut songs and Robin William's outtakes
more music by Queen/Freddie Mercury

other:
Infocom's Hitchhiker's Guide Part II
anything Jim Henson or Theodore (Suess) Geisel were working on

Of course, this is just off the top of my head.  As soon as I post it,
I'll come up with fifteen more things.
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From: ted@usasoc.soc.mil (Ted Nolan)
Subject: Funny-Face
Organization: SRI International, Ft. Bragg NC
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:45:46 GMT

In article <Dec.22.16.32.46.1992.14196@gandalf.rutgers.edu> cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:
>gls@windmill.ATT.COM (Col. G. L. Sicherman) writes:
>
>>Not McDonald's but Pillsbury.  "Funny-Face Drinks," a line of Kool-Aid
>>imitations with stereotypical cartoon characters.  Goofy Grape and
>>Choo-Choo Cherry were two of them.  Choo-Choo superseded Chinese
>>Cherry, whom, with Injun Orange, the public found excessively stereo-
>>typical.
>
>From the Depths of Memory, It Comes...
>
>"Goofy Grape,
> Injun Orange,
> Freckle-Faced Strawberry,
> Chinese Cherry,
> Loudmouth Lime,
> Rootin'-Tootin' Raspberry!"
>
>As the Col. mentioned, Jolly Olly Orange and Choo-Choo Cherry replaced their
>more ethnic predecessors.  A Lefty Lemon was later added, as was a Watermelon
>flavor/character whose name has somehow slipped away.  (Unless Loudmouth Lime
>mutated into Loudmouth Watermelon and Lefty Lemon became Lefty Lemon-Lime.)
>
>I used to know the names of all the Freakies, too.  

And on a semi comics related note, a treasured childhood possession for
my sister and me was the origin book for all these characters.  I think
you sent in some empty Funny-face packets and they sent you the book.

It wasn't a comic, but a children's picture book with a short story detailing
the genesis of each character like "Why Jolly Ollie Orange is so jolly",
how Rootin-Tootin Raspberry overcame his shyness etc.  Someone had obviously
cared about it, and it is quite charming.


				Ted Nolan
				ted@usasoc.soc.mil
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From: Stephen Chan <sc17@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Valiant: Rai#0
X-Xxdate: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15: 21:25 GMT
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:17:54 GMT

>	I was under the impression (from Rai #0 and a few issues of Solar),
>that it's not multiple timelines so much as it is alternate universes.
(BTW,
>does Solar #3 say anything about this? It's the only issue I don't have.)
>(Then again, maybe we're using different terminology for the same idea.)

    I think we are. Still, I am very certain that both Solar and Erica
Pierce said that they went back through time to the "current" Valiant
Universe. As for Solar #3, I don't recall it addressing the topic of
multiple timelines or universes.

>	As for Toyo... in Solar's original timeline, the world was "just like
>the one outside our window", except for Seleski and his project. Harada
wasn't
>a telepath, he was just a regular guy.

    I should go back and reread my early Solar issues, because I'm sure
that Solar's previous timeline is exactly the same as the "current"
Valiant timeline. "Just like the one outside our window"? I always did
consider the Valiant Universe as atonemont from Jim Shooter for the New
Universe!

>	Doesn't a Harbinger ability have to "jump started" by a telepath, the
>way Sting "started" Shatiqua's power? (What is her power anyway -- super
speed,
>or super reflexes?) Anyone out there with early issues of Harbinger know?

    There are two types of Harbingers: dominants and recessives.
Dominants are Toyo Harada and Pete Stanchek. Their powers manifested by
themselves without any outside help or influence. Recessives, however, do
need to have their abilities "jump-started." In Harbinger #1, Pete
jump-started Flamingo, Zepplin, and Torque's abilities. This information
about dominants and recessives is according to Harbinger #0 and ads for
the Harbinger title a year and a half ago. 
    From Rai #0, I had the impression that in the future, anyone with
Harbinger abilities would be a dominant because humanity had evolved to
that point. Still, the question remains, why isn't there an abundance of
people with Harbinger abilities in the 41st century? Anybody out there
like to speculate, or just put in their opinions and views about the
Valiant Universe in general?
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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 02:48:48 GMT

eja@carr3.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie) writes:

>Sorry if this has been tlked about before and I missed it but it seemed like 
>a fun topic to me.

>What books do YOU want to read out of Lucien's Library.  Let's assume
>he's got a comic book section and an AV department too.

Jeez . . . just restricting myself to F&SF . . .

The third book in the Riverworld series, wherein Phillip Jose Farmer
tied it all up neatly.

The Last Dangerous Visions.

The missing 30 years of Tom Reamy, dammit.

A.J.Budrys never gets depressed because folks don't appreciate his
work, and we get another two decades of his novels.

Isaac Asimov is recognised as a great humanist author for "The Stars,
Like Dust" and goes on to become less famous but more worthwhile.

Alfred Bester never gets a job as an editor, doesn't lose his edge,
and produces another three decades of brilliancy.

At age 40 Gene Wolfe comes into a small inheritance and begins writing
full time much earlier.

Glen Cook comes into a small inheritance and begins writing again.

Sigh....
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From: zlg1409@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Zhenhai Li )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SUPERMAN: No new life in sight.
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:25:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BzxEyG.Dn8
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

wesiegel@cie.uoregon.edu (William Siegel) writes:

>In article <24DEC199215174204@rigel.tamu.edu> ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:
>>The local comic book store operator is keeping an eye on the advance order 
>>lists to find out when Krypton's Last Son is coming back...March's order
>>forms came out yesterday and no Superman titles are to be seen.

>The owners and operators of my local comic book store don't see any new comics 
>for Superman coming out for the next couple of months and probably longer.

>They said the last time this happened, the comic was cancelled.  They have 
>commented that DC may not be bringing back Superman at all.

>Sad news for some and good news for others who want the dead to remain dead.

God, it never occured to me that this would be the actual death of superman.
I figured that the story took at least 5 minutes to write and 1 to think
up. (In that order) And was WAY to lame to be the real death.
to think that DC has sunk so low.
LAter,
Z.

At least there's still Legion. :-)
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