From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe
Subject: When More Kurdish Civilians Become The Victims Of The PKK, 'Milanini.'
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:50:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ddsw1.m0lbfHS-0003YPC



<1992Apr14.020347.28905@microsoft.com>
marcmil@microsoft.com (Marc MILANINI)

>The simple fact that there is a Kurdish people raises the problem of its
>self-determination. If Turkiye is not aware of that, it needs to
>be reminded of it.

Let me further improve this one for you, then. Had the Sevres Treaty
been implemented, the fate of the Kurds would have been far worse 
than under the Turkish Republic. Having concluded that the Kurds
could not govern themselves within the interest of the West, the
British advised long ago that a Kurdish mandate would be necessary
and that 'the Kurds would be ruled by force.' (Foreign Office 424/106).
Given that the Kurdish insurgency in Turkiye has taken tens of
thousands of innocent Turkish lives over the century, one can
legitimately question whether under Western colonial methods
the Kurds might have been subjected to some form of apartheid.
In contrast, under Turkish rule, the Kurds enjoyed economic 
equality and equal status as Turkish citizens united under one
nation for the well-being of the Turkish Republic.

While we are at, though, did you know that Turks are either a majority 
or the second largest ethnic group in many Northern Iraq provinces? For 
example, there are 450,000 Turks in Musul (40% of population); 215,000 
in Erbil (35%); 400,000 in Kerkuk (75%); 300,000 in Selahattin (60%); and 
220,000 in Diyala Province (33%). There are a total of 2.5 million Turks
in Iraq, compared to 3 million Kurds. Yet Germany, which mobilized
all its resources for the PKK, does not yet even acknowledge the
existence of Turks in Iraq. 

>I am sorry, but the Turkish people has nothing to say about the
>will of the Kurds. If a majority of people living in a certain area
>declares itself in favour of independence, then they must be freed.

What a joke? When the borders of the new Turkish state were drawn up 
at the start of the Turkish Independence War (1919-1923) the Kurds
were asked whether they considered themselves part of the ultimate 
Turkish homeland. At a time when the victors of the First World War 
were planning to give a large part of Eastern Anatolia to a Kurdish 
state, just for the heck of breaking up Ottoman lands, the Kurds did 
not want to form their own state, but made common cause with the Turks 
with whom they have been living together for centuries. After almost 70
years many of them have been fully integrated in the Turkish society 
and political life. The Foreign Minister of the new government is one 
of them. The people of Turkiye want every citizen of the Turkish 
Republic to enjoy the benefits provided to them by the Constitution. 
That means everyone is a first class Turkish citizen, irrespective of 
their ethnic background. The fact that Septioglu and Zana are at the 
helm of the Parliament today proves that this system is functioning 
properly. Turkiye's citizens of Kurdish origin, along with other 
citizens who are living in Turkiye's southeastern regions, have been 
harassed by separatists for the past seven years. The people who 
were already being terrorized by the KGB's puppets were also subjected 
to repression of all kinds and thus were trapped between the state 
forces and the terrorists. Sank in?

>I meant that I know better than you what is happening in France. Of
>course, you know better than me what is happening in Turkiye.
>Nevertheless, I have the right to protest if I think that something
>wrong is happening in your country. I agree that not everything is
>going fine in Corsica or in the Pays Basque, but at least the
>French Army is not bombing those areas.

Who said that the Turkish military is bombing the people of Turkiye,
'joker?'
 
>No, we are not, no we don't. Do we need to be superior to prevent you
>from committing atrocities ?

Who are you? An angel for the people of Turkiye.

>My words "bombing an entire population were far too strong. Do you agree
>that the Turkish Army is bombing areas where civilians (Turkish citizens)
>are living ?

I just realized that you are largely ignorant of the issue. Now,
tell us what you know about the PKK?

>Do you seriously believe that Turkiye can be a rival for Germany,
>as far as relations with former communist countries are concerned
>(no offense intended) ? 

Any map around?

>It was a German firm that provided Iraq with chemical weapons,
>not the German government. Leaving Saddam in power was a 
>terrible mistake. Would you like us not to try to correct
>our mistakes ? That's what Germany is doing now.

They can always learn from Turkiye.

>What is a difference between a civilian and a terrorist ? How do the
>bombs make it ?

When more Kurdish civilians become the victims of the PKK's terrorist
activities...

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
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