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From: phuyg@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr P V Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Talking in your dreams.
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:48:32 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <C1HFBC.H18@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed) writes:
>Sometimes when I'm sleeping, but still aware of what's going on around
>me, in my dreams, I can only half-talk.
>For example, the other morning, I was semiconcious, and I was dreaming
>that a Judge was asking me about how I make peanut butter sandwiches, I
>felt myself answer it, but I hadn't actually said it in my dream. So I
>tried to respond again, and it was as if I somply could not get the
>words out. It REALLY frustrated me that I couldn't say it.
>Now I believe that because I was semiconcious, the only way that I
>could have satisfied myself in the dream would be to actually say it-
>both in the dream and out. If you heard someone asleep say, "I fold the
>bread, I do not cut it," wouldn't you think that was a little odd?
>Has anyone else here ever had a similar experience or similar
>frustration in dream?
>Thanx
>-LX


  I often have frustrating periods in dreams.. often something is about
to happen to me (falling off a cliff, train dropping on my head from great
height, about to be shot thru the head), and i realise that it's a dream,
but i just CANT open my eyes, i can FEEL my eyes shut, but nothing can
make me open them, it's like they're welded shut, and when i finally manage
it (with great effort) i usually come out of the dream with a major all
over muscle spasm and fly to my feet.

  Other frustrating bits i have are when someone is attacking me, so i punch
and kick at them like anything (and i'm trained fairly well in martial arts,
so i know what should happen when i do these things), but they just don't
get hurt AT ALL, which is really frustrating, i got over this by 'deciding'
to have a sword on me in dreams, and if anyone attacked me, there was
always this sword on my back that i could draw and slice people with
(Sounds like i'm a psycopath doesn't it?), but now even the power of that
is starting to fade and i slice and slice at someone but they just don't
die (or bleed, in fact, noone ever bled, they just fell out of sight and
were just 'dead')..

  This is a bit worrying, because when i was younger i had many 'chase' dreams
where i was being chased by a shadowy figure through a closed, unlit shopping
centre, he never got me, i just ran and ran, but i got tired of the dream
so one day magicked a gun out of my coat and shot him dead (ok, maybe i am
mad), but if the power of my sword is going down, maybe this dream will
start to reocurr,then maybe the gun will jam, or he'll have a bullet
proof vest on, or he just wont die.. then what the hell will i do...


Paul V. Smith (The ever-so slightly mad)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: EXPERIMENT PROPOSAL
Keywords: DREAMS
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:06:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.152456.12108@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> cgobs@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Charles Gobs) writes:
>Now that people are interested in dream experiments again, I am
>reposting this.
>
>Proposal for another dream experiment:
>   Participants:
>   1) Attempt to dream about ELVIS.
>   2) If dreaming about Elvis, leave an object or objects with him.
>   3) Ask the King to show you other objects that people have left him.
>   4) E-mail the "third party"(unchosen as of yet), explaining what happened.
>   5) If you post your success, do NOT post the objects you saw or left!

This has already been done here, with little success.  Maybe if there
is more interest this time, it will be more successful.  I'll
try to participate if you decide to go ahead with it, but I was
unsuccessful with the Dream Ship one.  I thought we might want to wait
a few months, since winter seems to be the worst time for these
experiments (the most successful one was in the summertime)...

Anyway, whatever.

Happy dreaming!


-- 
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From: jswyt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John T Swyt)
Subject: Re: Gun man
Keywords: Ignore this fool, he knows not what he thinks!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:01:39 GMT

In article <4fN_8Qm00WBO0=EthD@andrew.cmu.edu> Timothy Ross <tr2k+@andrew.cmu.e
du> writes:
>I have had a dream that I am in the bathroom at the university and some
>strange man comes to knock on the stall door while I'm busy.  I say that
>he cannot come in, so he shoots bullets through the stall door and I
>duck down to avoid being shot.........
..................  I shout for him to get up so that I can kill him
>and he gets up as a sheet with a definite bulk outline of a corpse or a
>human underneath.  Then the ambulance comes and "rescues"(?) him and I
>wake up.
>
>Who has any ideas or interpretations for me.  Respond to tr2k@andrew.cmu.edu

Hmmmmm, sounds like a wierd dream.

                                             The Dog

(What did you expect....? "Dreaming about bullets clearly represents
 your inner desire to sleep with your mother..."  -Ha! )  :-)
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From: watpod78@superior.carleton.ca (Phil Culhane)
Subject: Re: lucidity vs awareness
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:29:22 GMT

In <katherim.727653706@sfu.ca> katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason) writes:

>I often have dreams in which I am aware and dreaming.  I find however, that
>there is a distinct step from being aware that you are dreaming to becoming
>lucid.  Becoming lucid seems to envolve taking control of the dream
>eviroment or something, I'm not sure what.  I just know that there is a 
>definite step, and that it is very difficult for me to make without waking.
>It is not as simple as realizing you are dreaming and you are lucid.  I
>have been lucid dreaming for about three months (about the same time that
>I have been reading this newsgroup.  I have lucid dreams almost every
>night now.  Mostly in the morning, actually, between when I wake up and
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>when I actually get up.  A question to those more experienced at it.  Does
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>this step ever become easier or do you just get used to it?

>Katherine Merle Mason
>Ne Oublie....

"between when I wake up and when I get up"-->  This means your alarm
goes off at 5:57 am like mine, and you hit snooze, and that gives you
30 minutes grace?  That's when I'm luckiest too.  Possibly because 
a)  REM sleep occupies greatest portion of sleeping time at the end of
the night and
b)  You've already been (a tiny bit) awake, so it's easier to wake
into a dream, or of course
c)  It's your last dream of the night, so even though you may have
been lucid all night long, you best remember the last occurence?

Opinions?
From: nightsng@anarky.tch.org (Nightsong)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: dream genesis
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:56:02 PST
Organization: The Canned Ham, San Jose, CA (408) 971-8530

> > to things we think of as we sleep. It's only in retrospect that we think
> > that the dream had a more normal, linear time flow. After all, time sort
> > of turns off when we sleep anyhow; who knows in what other way the
> > brain and reinterpret the sensation of time.

Actually, my dreams rarely have a `normal' `linear' time flow.. 

Usually:

 A. Everything comes rather randomly but makes sense.
 
 OR
 
 B. Everything comes at the same time.

 OR

 C. Events come in a sort of loop.  When I describe to someone 
    the dream(s) the next day, I have to pick a point to start 
    at, THEN relate the rest of it, taking care not to begin at
    that point again after telling the entire thing.

 -Nightsong

 nightsng@anarky.tch.org
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From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Dream music (was Re: Kava Kava)
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:34:52 GMT

In article <cygVXB4w165w@anarky.tch.org> nightsng@anarky.tch.org (Nightsong) writes:
>> In other ways too, herbs have much to contribute to the dreamer,
>
>It seems that people keep commenting on herbs, and other such things, as 
>doing certain things for dreaming.  I have actually found music quite 
>satisfactory.  Usually, my dreams look, sound, and feel better (*AND* it 
>is easier to realize I am dreaming and take advantage of it) if I am 
>listening to Enya's music.
>
>-Nightsong

I find her stuff very dreamlike -- the kinds of melodies that seem to
occur to me in dreams, in the few times that has happened.  I wonder
just what this "dreaminess" is, anyway?  Some studies have measured the
"dreaminess" of story-lines -- people who are awakened from REM supposedly
make up "dreamier" stories than people who are woken at other times.
For images and narrative, it's not hard to think of means of comparison,
but music is another thing again.  Is it something in the sound itself?
In the images the music conjures up?  Some combination?

I can see how music could help suggest spaces via acoustic effects alone,
and these how these suggestions could be turned into dream-images.  I can
also see how electronics might be necessary to evoke something like the 
sounds you hear only in your head in dreams -- a kind of anti-acoustic
feeling.  Perhaps Enya helps induce lucidity by suggestively "lucidifying"
your dream environment with externally-supplied material that, while vivid,
is nevertheless quite dreamlike itself.

Maybe "dreaminess" is at the heart of the *appeal* of Enya's music, and
others.  I've often that that much of culture wells up out of people's
conscious and unconscious resonance with dreams.  Some critics have
pointed out MTV as an example of virtual dream animation.

William Gibson had a good story in Burning Chrome that took as a premise
that electronically-induced dreams were going to be a major entertainment
medium.  I don't recall a mention of any soundtrack for these, though.
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: demetri@cgrg.ohio-state.edu 
Subject: time flow
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:03:47 GMT

I recall reading in one of my intro psych source books that dreams take
place in real time.  They did an experiment in which people were allowed to
enter REM for 5 or 10 minutes, and when awakened they told stories of
corresponding lengths.  The book goes on to say that dreams seem longer
because there are little cuts and scene shifts as in the movies that let us
know that time has passed.  Somehow I was never satisfied by that
explanation.

Renee
From: ar050@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Schaefer)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: another EXPERIMENT PROPOSAL
Date: 28 Jan 1993 15:41:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I must admit that that Elvis idea is pretty darn good but
here's an idea I had.  My only objection to the Elvis one
is that some people, myself included, MIGHT feel a bit
uncomformtable talking to The King.  Him being so famous
and all and on top of that dead.  Better qualify that -
in my opinion he's dead.  Don't want this too turn into
a huge flame war.
 
It could use a little work but here's my basic idea:
Something like the yellow brick road in the Wizard of Oz. 
Maybe it could be a street of gold.  Just some kind of
street or path that really has no beginning or end but
just aimlessly winds its way from one to another and
through the dreamscapes of all those participating in the
experiment.  Upon achieving lucidity the dreamer would
just find this street paved in gold and start traveling
it.  He could stop and chat with other travelers of the
road.  He could take note of the sites.  He could leave
objects along the side of the road or in the road.
 
Tom Schaefer - c1899012@umslvma.umsl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Sleep-walking
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:04:41 GMT

My little brother used to wander out of bed, walk around the house,
and say very strange things to us that sounded paranoid and dream
like.  Once he said something like:  "The ride is not for mommys" or
something.

I believe (vaguely remembered text book stuff here) that it is
"common" for people to have sleep walking experiences when they are
yound that go away when they get older...

                                        Nik

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: pelletier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: DREAM: Photographer
Reply-To: pelletier@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:21:52 GMT

DREAM SEQUENCE
     I am in this room sitting on a bed.  Across from me and to the left is
another bed, upon which an old HighSchool friend and her husband are sitting.
They are getting their picture taken as I watch.  The photographer (woman?)
decides to take a picture of me also.  She had been in front of me and to my
right and now moves from in front to an angle far off to the right.  I notice
that I am covered with a blanket and looking toward the right where she is 
moving.  There is scaffolding there and as I look thru the structure she 
moves out of sight to my right, behind a wall or something.   She takes the
picture from there and returns to put more film in the camera.  I look at 
the camera as she is working with the film she removed.  I see the photo-
graphic images reflected on an image plate in the camera.  I see my friends, 
another picture (no recall of what) and then mine.  I notice with surprise 
that although the picture was taken of me with a blanket covering me from the
far right, the image is a full frontal and I am wearing some old clothes!

                 any comments would be appreciated
                                                   pleasant dreams |) Sandra
ps thanks for dream snippet comments!
From: Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Orgasm during dream
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:06:07 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1993Jan24.204511.28527@fuug.fi>
an3371@anon.penet.fi writes:

> Is it really possible to have a real orgasm during a dream (together
> with one in the dream)?  And is it possible to wake up during an
> orgasm?  Sometimes I'll be dreaming, but I always wake up before the
> orgasm actually occurs.

Yes-
I once had a dream in which I had an orgasm in my dream AND physically,
and slept right through it. In the morning, I remembered my dream, and
my boxers were wet, so I think that's sufficient evidence.
If you respond to me, post-DO NOT EMAIL ME UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!
-LX
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
Subject: Re: time flow
Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:30:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.152645.25572@mlb.semi.harris.com> bwm@mongoose.ess.harris.com (Bruce McIntosh) writes:
>Does anyone have observations on how the flow of time in dreams compares to
>real time? It would seem from my own experience that quite a bit can happen
>in a dream that is not very long in realtime. Does lucidity have any impact
>on this? Just curios. Thankyou.

My vague recollection from LaBerge's books is that dream-time and real-time
are pretty well correlated.  But my personal *experience* is that those
nodding- off-in-class dreams can be pretty epic compared to the amount of
time I was asleep.  I don't know if anyone has studied this often-noted
discrepancy.
---
Michael Turner
miket@tcs.com
From: vrowley@testament.bbn.com (Vicky Rowley)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Talking in dreams
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:44:54 GMT
Reply-To: vrowley@testament.bbn.com. (Vicky Rowley)
Followup-To: C1HFBC.H18@dartvax.dartmouth.edu
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Hi,

I've been lurking around for a while but the stuff about trying to talk
in a dream lured me out.

About, I don't know, mayby 10 years ago I had a dream that I was giving
an acceptance speech of some sort.  Somehow I come to understand that
the crowd was going to get hostile if I didn't thank them.  So, being
afraid of such a conflict, I said, "Thank you.", but naturally no one,
myself included, could hear me.  I thought the microphone had died, so
I kept saying louder and louder, "THANK YOU!"  Suddenly, I woke up because
I heard something, and the something was me shouting, "Thank you!"
It has never happened since then, and I still think it was bizarre.

Oh, and to the mad martial arts, sword carrying, gun toting dreamer:
I'm not a violent person, but off the top of my head, so far, in
dreams I've:
	stabbed to death an attempted rapist
	beaten an insurance salesman with a baseball bat, and
	beaten someone to death with a flourescent light tube
	(that last one is my favorite)  

For you insurance salesmen out there, the one in the dream was demolishing 
my mother's house with a large, destructive bulldozer . . . while we were 
in it.  He was 'punishing' my mother for not buying insurance from him.  
Once he had a BIG hole made in the side of the house he came in to get her, 
and you know the rest.  Don't mess with my mom, it makes me angry!  

(I don't remember what the guy who got it with the light tube had done.  
I'm sure it was awful ;)

Well, enough for now.

teco
(the ever-curious one)
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From: an3371@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Orgasm during dream
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.dreams
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:40:44 GMT

Is it really possible to have a real orgasm during a dream (together
with one in the dream)?  And is it possible to wake up during an
orgasm?  Sometimes I'll be dreaming, but I always wake up before the
orgasm actually occurs.
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From: Phillip_Eastham@kumear.apana.org.au (Phillip Eastham)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: sleeping WITHOUT dreams (help me!!)
Distribution: world
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:51:14 EST
Organization: The DUNGEON BBS

In a message dated Fri 23 Jan 93 16:58, Peter_mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au (
wrote:

 P> use, and studies have shown that dreaming is a necessary part of
 P> dreaming.

I should think so! Pretty hard to have a dream without having a dream :-)

Perhaps you meant dreaming is a necessary part of sleeping?

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From: jwc2001@andy.bgsu.edu (J Cannon)
Subject: Integration/synthesis dreams
Followup-To: alt.dreams
Organization: BGSU
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:34:36 GMT

After a hard day of cramming facts, figures, and ideas into my head, an
afternoon nap can be the ultimate stress reliever.  The strangest thing
I've found about the dreams I have when napping in the afternoon or
restlessly at night (i. e. falling asleep while talking on the telephone)
is that my dreams will tend to integrate concepts learned that day and
synthesize new ideas.

For example, I become fully convinced that the secret to partial
integration I learned in calculus is actually democratic socialism,
following the usual I-IV-V musical chord progression.  Of course, this
makes no sense to me now, but in the dream it was perfectly clear how these
things fit together.  Completely unrelated topics merge seamlessly in the
subconscious, which I now firmly believe is how the human mind solves
problems that require a leap of intuition.  Is there any way to make this
process more useful?  Does it go on all the time, whether we can recall it
or not?  (I'm assuming that this is a common phenomenon...)

Milo
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: dagger@camelot.bradley.edu (David Rybolt)
Subject: Re: time flow
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:24:49 GMT

In <1993Jan22.152645.25572@mlb.semi.harris.com> bwm@mongoose.ess.harris.com (Bruce McIntosh) writes:

>Does anyone have observations on how the flow of time in dreams compares to
>real time? It would seem from my own experience that quite a bit can happen
>in a dream that is not very long in realtime. Does lucidity have any impact
>on this? Just curios. Thankyou.

I believe that the book Control Your Dreams by Jayne Gackenbach and
Jane Bosveld states that dream time and real time are exactly the
same...  They discovered this using a lucid dreamer as there tool....
I believe Stephen LaBerge actually did the experiment at his
laboratory.... I would recommend there book to anyone.
--
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From: ctorres@cco.caltech.edu (Chon David Torres)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Weird experience...
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:13:47 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Peter_Mcnamee@kumear.apana.org.au (Peter Mcnamee) writes:

>In a message dated Mon 19 Jan 93  2:34, Justus@niksula.hut.fi (juhana R{s{n
>wrote:

> JR> Here's one example of my own: My brother used to sleep-walk quite
> JR> often

>One night, my mum woke up and could hear voices.  She went into my sisters
>room and found me sitting on the end of my sisters bed, and my sister
>sitting up with pillows behind her back.  We were both asleep, but were
>talking to each other.

this is interesting. At a summer camp when i was 10 i had a conversation
with another camper. Of course we were both asleep and the words spoken
had no correlation to eachother. That was the same camp where i was seen
walking around the cabin in my sleeping bag.

only once was i disturbed about walking in my sleep. When i was in grade
school i shared a bedroom with my brother. I slept on the top bunk. One
night my parents heard me shouting and they came over to see what was wrong.
I saw them and proceeded to jump off of my bunk bed and walk around the house.
I then layed down on the couch and was very surprised when i woke up the
next morning and had no recollection on how i got to the couch.

I haven't walked in my sleep for 8 or 9 years now. Does that generally
happen?

cheers,
-chon


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From: jav56209@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (J. Villanueva)
Subject: help with lucid dreams
Summary: asking for help on how to have a lucid dream
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:42:46 GMT
Keywords: lucid dreams help new

Hello there!  I'm a relatively new person here and I have found some of the
articles very interesting.  I am especially interested in lucid dreams. 
I've only had one in my life that I can remember and since then I have 
had problems having another one.  It was such a strange sensation to be able
to control myself in a dream, I thought it would be great to do it again.

My question is:  Is there anything I can do to help myself have a lucid
dream?  Something I can try at night before I go to sleep?

I'd love suggestions...and do please e-mail me because I may not have 
a chance to read the net :)

Thanks and pleasant thoughts,
Julie