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From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: Rules Query
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:58:30 GMT

In article <9211121448.AA26700@cs.utexas.edu> JZeevi%users%swri03@D26VS046A.CCF.SwRI.EDU writes:
>Keith -
>
>	A defender MAY indeed touch the ball once released from the 
>goalkeeper, even if the ball is still in the penalty area. 
>
>	Used to be, that the keeper could not pick it back up until it had 
>been touched by an opponent (anywhere) or a teammate *outside* the penalty 
>area. With the new law regarding keeper possession from a teammate's kick 
>this is no longer relevant - and (I think?) no longer in the laws of the game.
>
This must be incorrect as the new "backpass" rule covers only
_deliberate_ passes with the _foot_. Thus law xii 5 a) is still
relevant for cases where the keeper regains possession from
non-deliberate or non-foot passes. For example, keeper throws the ball
to teammate inside the penalty area; teammate heads the ball back to
keeper; keeper touches it with hands again: indirect free kick as per
the provisions of law xii 5 a).

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

"It's never too late to hate Luton Town" -- Danny Baker
From: SYSMAINT%BRUFBA.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Luiz Alberto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Championship of Rio de Janeiro - BR
Date: 6 Nov 1992 11:21:46 -0600
Organization: Universidade Federal da Bahia - Brasil
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X-Unparseable-Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 15:08:52 BRA

 Championship of state of Rio de Janeiro , Brazil

                     Taca Rio
                     """"""""
Round 7
Nov. 4th
--------
 Madureira      0-2  Americano
                     Luisinho 17(1)
                     Ziza 8(2)

 Botafogo       0-2  Olaria
                     Rubens 4(1)
                     Alcino 25(2)

 Bangu          2-0  Itaperuna
 Gilson 5(1)
 Pestana 36(2)

 Campo Grande   0-0  America-TR
 Fluminense     2-0  Goytacaz
 Vagner ?(1)
 Vagner 34(1)

 Volta Redonda - Flamengo postponed.

Nov. 5th
--------
 Vasco da Gama  4-2  America-RJ
 Antonio Carlos(C) 21(1)    Serginho(P) 24(2)
 Valdir 29(1),2(2)          ??? (2)
 ??? (2)
                                                 Total
Team             G   W   D   L    GF-GA  Points  Points
---------------------------------------------------------
Vasco da Gama    7   6   1   0    17-05     13    31
America-TR       7   3   4   0    08-03     10    18
Fluminense       5   3   2   0    09-03      8    22
Olaria           7   3   2   2    08-05      8    08
Americano        7   2   4   1    06-04      8    15
Botafogo         7   1   5   1    08-09      7    22
Flamengo         4   3   0   1    09-03      6    22
Volta Redonda    6   2   2   2    07-08      6    15
Bangu            7   1   4   2    04-04      6    22
Goytacaz         6   1   3   2    04-05      5    05
Madureira        7   1   2   4    04-13      4    18
Campo Grande     6   1   1   4    07-09      3    08
America-RJ       6   0   2   4    04-13      2    07
Itaperuna        6   0   2   4    03-14      2    07
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From:  (Richard Moores)
Subject: Re: Liverpool 4 Middlesboro 1
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:48:22 GMT

Keith,
      great job updating us Koppites abroad on the comings and goings at
Anfield. MATCH reports , on the Reds have been non-existant on the net as
long as I have been reading it (two years),(Incessant ramblings of
bitterness and hatred from Non-Scousers, caused by decades of domestic and
European domination by the Anfield Machine have been plentyful ;-) ),  and
I for one greatly appreciate your updates. 

There is great match coverage on Spurs, Rangers, Celtic, Sheff Wed, Arsenal
etc, but none on the mighty red army. 

Keep up the good work, it is invaluable (to me anyway!).


Richard Moores - Koppite In Exile    
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada.
FAX:(613) 763-7283 Phone:(613) 763-4687 
My opinions, not BNR's
From: dwb@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Dave Baines)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Gresley update plus other English non-league news
Date: 10 Nov 92 13:15:35 GMT
Reply-To: dwb@dcs.ed.ac.uk ()
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

The latest copy of Team Talk arrived yesterday so here is the latest news
on Gresley Rovers.

 3rd Oct GR 3 - 1 Barri
10th Oct King's Lynn 1 - 4 GR
17th Oct GR 1 - 0 Hinkley Town
24th Oct Grantham Town 2 - 0 GR

Table for Beazer Midland at 24th Oct
			P	W	D	L	F	A	Pts
Gresley Rovers		9	8	0	1	26	7	24
Evesham Utd		12	7	2	3	24	19	23
Nuneaton Borough	7	5	2	0	18	7	17
Grantham Town		9	5	2	2	16	9	17
Sutton Coldfield	6	5	1	0	20	10	16

From the Sunday paper I see that they beat Dudley Town 5-2 at Dudley on
Saturday (7th Nov) so they are still looking good.

Wycombe Wanderers are way out in front of the GM Vauxhall Conference chased by
Slough, Bromsgrove and Witton.

Trowbridge Town lead the Beazer Premier from Dover and in the Beazer Southern
Buckingham Town lead from Erith & Belvedere.

In the HFS premier Morecambe lead Southport by 3 points but Southport have 4
games in hand, Accrington Stanley (they get asked after occaionally) are back
in 14th place but have played 4 games less than Southport, their record is
P9 W5 D2 L2 F16 A8 Pts 17. Bridlington Town lead the HFS Division One.

In the Diadora Premier Chesham United lead from Enfield, Dorking top Diadora
Div one and Egham top Div two. Aldershot Town lead Div 3 having won 10 and
drawn 1 game in the 11 played so far.

In the Konica League of Wales Inter Cardiff are tied at the top with
Haverfordwest County, George Wood (ex Arsenal and Everton and now 41) is
keeping for Inter Cardiff.

Most unfortunate record so far goes to Forest Hall of the McEwans Northern
Alliance who have played 11, lost 11 scoring 8 and conceding 46 !

Dave
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From: J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross)
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Subject: Re: Predictions' League from Edinburgh University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:06:00 +0000







In article <1992Nov10.101613.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk> cbar26@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
(Sean Smallconsolation) writes:

>> Whit ?? I would have thought by going to more games, the more you learn.
>> It's obvious now that you take all your facts and predictions from
>> the  "Sunday Mail"  Starcheck  and Whistler columns. Are you sure
>> it's not the Celtic Reserve team you've been watching ? Maybe there's no
>> difference anyway !!
>>
>MIM RES 0     CELTIC RES 3    :-)

And a crowd of around 10,000 at Ibrox (third best in Scotland) according to the
Sudnay Mail.
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Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 08:46:36 CET
From: W.H.Morrison <WMORRISO@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The beloved get beaten

No doubt we'll have a few choice words from DENISE about how Spartak Moscow
cannot hold a candle to HER BELOVED. 6-2 is a hell of an aggreate.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: English Premier Division results - Sat Nov 7th
Keywords: Arsenal, Arsenal, top of the league
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 07:35:56 GMT

jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:

>BLACKBURN  0  TOTTENHAM  2
>              Howells 67'
>              Sheringham 83' (pen.)

As they say: 'getting beat by Tottenham must take real skill as a manager'.
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen       | Liverpool FC - 18xChampions, 5xCup Winner,
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk  |                4xEC1 and 2xEC3 Winner
               The Manchester United of 2015?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: wallds@eee.bham.ac.uk (Mr. Derek Sean Wall)
Subject: Re: Results of English teams in Euro cups
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1992 17:51:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, England
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From:  (Richard Moores)
Subject: Re: I scouse, You scouse, We scouse
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:55:51 GMT

"Scouse" is the name used for an indigenous delicacy to the Liverpool area
akin to the more well known Lancashire "Hot Pot". It is a stew made with
meat and potatoes (Reflecting the Irish influence in Liverpool), and I
believe is where the term used for people from Liverpool, "Scousers"
(eaters of scouse) as in "shut yer mouf yer scouse git" (Alfred Garnett).
The term also refers to the language/accent of Liverpool's population,
which is to anyone not from the Northwest of England mostly
incomprehensible, its equivalent in London would be "Cockney".

The term "scouse" is phrased like "mouse".

A dictionary of scouse is in fact available from the Merseyside Tourist
board if you are really interested, and is actually very humorous,
(Reflecting the legendary scouse sense of humour).

Richard Moores - Koppite/Scouser In Exile    
Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada.
FAX:(613) 763-7283 Phone:(613) 763-4687 
My opinions, not BNR's
From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Alex "shit-4-brains" Ferguson
Date: 7 Nov 92 09:11:28 GMT
Organization: ICL, Bracknell, Berks, UK
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ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
> that United fans are as happy as we are about managerial performance.  Was
> it 67 or 68?  Anyone know the words of West Ham's 'tribute' to the Busby Babes,
> about the slippery runway to the tune of 'Blowing Bubbles'?
> 

Get fucked Stafford! I slag off Liverpool, Leeds etc. etc. but taking the
piss out of Heysel and similar is taboo and I'd hoped that the sort of
brain-dead moron who'd find this sort of shit amusing, would at least
have the decency to keep that crap to themselves.

Go crawl back under your rock you prat!
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From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: rec.sport.soccer.referee?
Date: 6 Nov 92 08:28:24 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
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jwk@sequent.com (John Just Say Noe Kramer) writes:
 
: Perhaps it should be alt.bastards.inblack? :-)

	Wankers! It should be wankers! ;-) ;-)

		Conor
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.spain
Subject: Spanish Div.2 League
From: zxnoueih@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu (...VALENCIA...)
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:37:57 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks


Here we go!:


Sestao - Real Madrid B : 0 4
Majorca - Compostela   : 2 0
Lugo - Badajoz         : 0 2
Bilbao Atl. - Castellon: 2 0
Valladolid - Sabadel   : 1 0
Palamos - Figueras     : 1 0
Melida - Betis         : 0 0
LLeida - Eibar         : 3 1
Vila-real - Santander  : 2 0
Barcelona B - Marbella : 1 0



Table:

    TEAM            POINTS
    ----            ------
1.  Lleida           17
2.  Santander        15
3.  Majorca          14
4.  Castellon        13
5.  Barcelona B      12
    Real Madrid B    12
    Marbella         12
8.  Betis            11
    Valladolid       11
10. Badajos          10
    Vila-real        10
12. Melida            9
13. Bilbao Atl.       8 ***
    Sabadel           8
15. Palamos           7
    Compostela        7
    Sestao            7
18. Lugo              6
    Figueras          6
20. Eibar             5


***: Last week's Bilbao Atl. points total was 7 according to the REE guys.
     This week, despite their win, they have a total of 8 points, again
     according to the REE guys. Something is definitely wrong here!
     I probably screwed up. I guess I didn't hear them right.
     So, can anybody tell me what is the correct points total for
     Bilbao Atl.? Is it 8 or 9? Thanks.


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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Subject: Greek teams in Europe
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:57:30 GMT

European Champions Cup:

PSV EINDHOVEN - AEK ATHENS  3-0  (aggregate 3-1, PSV advances)
Scorer: Romario all 3 goals

PSV proved too much for the Greek champions on a night where the Brazilian
Romario scored a hat-trick to advance his team to the quarter-finals (and
the big bucks).


Cup Winners Cup:

OLYMPIAKOS PIREAUS - AS MONACO  0-0  (aggregate 1-0, Olympiakos advances)
Attendance: 36,000

Olympiakos managed to hold on for a goalless draw and advance to the quarter-
finals courtesy of the away win at Monaco. The game was open and both teams
missed a few good chances. In the last ten minutes the Monegasque team staged
an all-out attack and were desperately unlucky to hit the post twice, in the
82nd and the 90th (!!) minute. 
Olympiakos's coach Oleg Blochin surprised everyone by leaving Protasov,
Karapialis and Batista out of the starting lineup. 
Olympiakos: Mirtsos, Pahatouridis, Karataidis, Vlahos, Mitsibonas, Tsalouhidis,
Tsiantakis, Littovchenko, Savvidis, Mavromatis, Vaitsis.


UEFA Cup:

JUVENTUS - PANATHINAIKOS  0-0  (aggregate 1-0, Juventus advances)

Juventus went through to the 3rd round with the David Platt goal that gave
them the victory in Athens.


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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: Villa vs Man Utd
Organization: Wits University
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 16:27:09 RSA

In article <gexerCm00WBLM3CJRL@andrew.cmu.edu>
am5q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andy Yin Meau) writes:
 
>
>
>This weekend Manchester United is playing Aston Villa away.  Does anyone
>know what the odds are that Manchester United will win?
 
I dont know about the odd but United will win, believe it or not !!
 
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: leitm@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Leith M F)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Everton in danger!!!
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:27:05 GMT
Reply-To: leitm@essex.ac.uk (Leith M F)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

In article <1992Nov4.143921.1401@news.uit.no> bjornar@fdh.hsf.no writes:
>In article 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za, 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za () writes:
>>I hope they remain there and get relegated to the first division, damn
>>racist team !!
>Now I am curious, why are Everton a racist team?
>Is it because they happen not to have any coloured people in the team?
>As far as I know, they did make a serious offer for Dion Dublin (who
>among many others including Dean Saunders, Paul McStay  chose other club(s)).
>
I think it would be truer to say that they have a lot of racist fans.
In Everton matches on the T.V you hear many more Gorilla immitation chants
than from most fans whenever an opposition black player has the ball.
It must have something to do the fact there aren't any black players
in their team, or black people in the city of Liverpool.  Ignorance,
probably.  Please note I am not having a go at all Everton fans, the
majority of which would not act in this way.

Mig.
From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Tony Meola News
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:23:08 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
: Thats great Tony; keep playing forward while Kasey Keller is fast becoming
: one of the english league best players.

	Who the F*&k is "Kasey Keller" who is "fast becoming one of the
english league best players"??? I have never heard of him. Does he play
for Melchester Rovers? I knew I should have kept my subscription to
"Roy"...

	Conor
From: reidkb@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Kenneth B Reid)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Supercopa 92
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:00:04 GMT
Organization: Computing Sci, Glasgow Univ, Scotland

Supercopa?

Didn't he used to play for Rangers on the left wing?

Kenny Reid
From: manuel@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Manuel Balmaseda)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spanish Div.2 League
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:54:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov12.215427.8441
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


	No, they will not advance unless Real Madrid or F.C. Barcelona descend
to the second division, not very likely since neither of them has ever been
there.  About the US players in Spain last I heard Tab Ramos was doing very
well, but this was a while back

Manolo

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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: USA'94 qualifers: CONCACAF Group A + USA team news
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:25:38 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

Group A
-------
Honduras 3 - Costa Rica 2

St.Vincent (0) 0 - Mexico (1) 4

--

USA lineup against Ivory Coast:

                           Meola

     Caligiuri             Balboa             Clavijo
               Michallik             Lapper

     Henderson             Perez              Murray       
     (Jones)
                     Vermes       Wynalda
                    (Kinnear)
                   
 
Some comments about the match:

USA 5 - Ivory Coast 2 (in case some of you may have forgotten :-) )

Murray looked very good in this game, perhaps his big improvement comes
from the ever more competitive fight for the forward line. Vermes was a sorry
ass, blowing away THREE excellent chances in the game before being replaced
by Kinnear. Wynalda looks more confident with the ball, no doubt the
game experience in the Bundesliga has helped him matured. Perez still showing
flashes of world class ability in the midfield but not for 90 minutes. Jones
looked impressive, having balls to to go 1-1 with the defender and beating him
and even hustling back to help out on the defense. Lapper played solidly,
maybe he'll get a spot on the roster for 94.

Overall, the US did not play their best game. Somehow, we scored on our
limited opportunites and mainly let the Cote d'Ivoire team control the tempo
for the duration of the match.
Regardless, it was still a good performance since we didn't have the
better European-based players (Dooley, Harkes, Ramos & Wegerle) with us.

Next weekend on US tv:

USA'94 qualifiers
-----------------

Univision will show -> Mexico - Honduras (live) , sunday 1/2pm EST

Telemundo will show -> Switzerland - Estonia (tape delay), sunday 4pm EST


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From: mallon@hsi.com (Dan Mallon-Kraft)
Subject: Re: Women's NCAA Update
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford, CT
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:55:18 GMT

In article <BxGI1q.6Is@news.orst.edu> kgamble@OES.ORST.EDU (Kevin Gamble) writes:
>Here's an update on the NCAA women's tourney. I hope someone
>else can post as to what happened in the Northeast and on the
>West coast.

Massachusetts - UConn 2-1  OT
Stanford - Portland   5-2

Massachusetts will play Hartford at 1PM on Monday.

Dan
From: cbrasted@iti.org (Charles Brasted)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English Soccer
Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:14:15 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: adelphi.itd.adelaide.edu.au

hoekema@fwi.uva.nl (Eelco Hoekema) writes:

>cbrasted@iti.org (Charles Brasted) writes:

>>I am quite sure this is a wind up, but I could apply your brilliant `logic' to
>>the Dutch League:
[ delete old post ]


>>Conclusion : the Dutch national team think the Dutch league is crap.  
>>Also, the crowds at most matches are piffle compared to most other countries.
>Because the best players play in Italy.
>Because the clubs don't have enough money, because there aren't enough 
>sponsors and the public doesn't come to the stadiums. Because the best 
>players play in Italy.
>It is a vicious circle!

yup.  

>>Conclusion : the Dutch public think their football is crap.  Brilliant!
>I don't think so.

If you had bothered to read my post properly you would have noticed that I was
not being remotely serious. I wasactually tring to point out that the original
post could not possibly be taken seriously, as so many people seemed to have
done.  Given your email address, it is likely that English is not your
first langauge, which offers an explanation as to how you missed the point of
my post.  

Cheers,
Charles.