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Date:         Tue, 15 Dec 1992 10:50:17 CST
From:         William Jordan <JORDAN@LATECH.BITNET>
Subject:      Christmas Sharing

One of the most enjoyable recent threads on CHRISTIA was the sharing about
what different people were thankful for.  While I did not submit anything
on that topic, I greatly appreciated those who did.  Not only did it help
make me more thankful for what I have, it also helped me to get to know many
of you better.

I think of two possible areas concerning Christmas where we could share
in a similar manner.  The first way would be to share some of our family
Christmas traditions.  Not only could this help us to get to know each other
better, it could perhaps encourage some of us to adopt meaningful things done
by other people.

A second area we could share in is not directly related to the spiritual part
of Christmas, but is related to a common tradition done during this time of
year.  Many of us send out Christmas cards to a variety of friends and
relatives.  Many people (myself included) include a short (less than 1 page)
note of what has happened to us this past year.  It might be useful for those
of us who do this, to submit copies of them to CHRISTIA.  This would help
us to get to know each other better, as we see how God is leading each of our
families.

If there appears to be a positive response to either of these suggestions, then
I will share some of these things concerning my family in a future post.

In Christ, Bill

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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:46:37 EST
From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Teaching Children...

Theresa,
you sound like you are going to be a wonderful mom.

I am learning to be a daddy with a little gal who's 9 weeks today.

She gets really quite and just gazes at me with those big browns when
we quote Psalm 23 together. I was explaining to her last night that
Jesus will always be with her, and that she doesnt have to be afraid.

These are truly precious times. Children are a gift from the Lord!
In Him...Mark
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:14:19 WET
Reply-To:     Ran Chermesh <chermesh@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL>
From:         Ran Chermesh <chermesh@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL>
Subject:      Is it a bug? Means in NPAR TEST
Comments: To: SPSS Users' Group <spssx-l@marist.bitnet>

SPSSers,
A strange result is reported when NPAR TEST supplies means for a
WILCOXSON test. In the following excerp from my listing, I include
both a report by DESCRIPTIVES and NPAR TEST on the same variables.
The results, as can be seen are completely different.
Any explanation, or is it a bug?

>
>
>    8  0  desc x3 x4/stat.
>
> The largest contiguous area has 10,483,656 bytes.
> Number of valid observations (listwise) =        21.00
>
>                                                    Valid
> Variable      Mean    Std Dev   Minimum   Maximum      N  Label
>
> X3            2.90       1.42         1         5     51
> X4            2.66       1.32         1         5     41
>
>
>
>    9  0  NPAR TESTS /SIGN X3 X4 /WILCOXON X3 X4/statistics descriptives.
>
> There are 10,484,176 bytes of memory available.
>
>                 N        Mean     Std Dev  Minimum  Maximum   Label
>
> X3            103  -62035.063   61738.984        .        5
> X4            103  -73965.539   60444.898        .        5


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Behavioral Sciences Dept.                     ===========
Ben-Gurion University                  Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL
Beer-Sheva 84105                                 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL
Israel                                 Bitnet  : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET
Phone: 972-57-472-057                  Fax: 972-57-232-766
From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
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Subject: Re: Is it a bug? Means in NPAR TEST
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:45:32 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

As conveyed in a private note, my apologies to Ran Chermash for assuming
something was done to the data in between DESCRIPTIVES and NPAR TESTS.
There is indeed a bug in NPAR TESTS in version 4.0, in which with a MISSING
treatment other than LISTWISE an internal missing value (which is a large
magnitude negative number) is being "included" or used in the calculations
for the descriptive statistics. This does not appear to be affecting the
test statistics or other things, only the descriptive stats. It does not
seem to be appearing in version 5.0.1 on Windows or on our development 
version 5 on Unix. I did not find a reported bug matching exactly these
characteristics, but it would appear that this has been fixed in the
process of whatever work was done between versions 4 and 5.

To summarize, the problem is that when a missing value treatment other
than LISTWISE is used in NPAR TESTS on version 4.0, it treats missing
values as valid when computing descriptive statistics and thus produces
bad results. These can usually be caught by noting that means are much
lower (or high negative) than they should be, or that SYSMIS is given
for the minimum value in the descriptive statistics. This is not
affecting the tests themselves and is fixed already for more current
versions, such as 5.0.1 on Windows. 

The workaround for affected releases is to use DESCRIPTIVES or some
other procedure for descriptive statistics when missing values are
present, or to use LISTWISE missing value treatment in NPAR TESTS. If
descriptive statistics are desired on an analysis by analysis basis,
this requires running separate procedures for each analysis and using
LISTWISE each time you use NPAR TESTS.

--
 David Nichols        Senior Statistical Support Specialist         SPSS, Inc.
 Phone: (312) 329-3684     Internet:  nichols@spss.com     Fax: (312) 329-3657
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From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.spssx-l
Subject: Re: Is it a bug? Means in NPAR TEST
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:03:10 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <9212162014.AA11522@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> Ran Chermesh <chermesh@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL> writes:
>SPSSers,
>A strange result is reported when NPAR TEST supplies means for a
>WILCOXSON test. In the following excerp from my listing, I include
>both a report by DESCRIPTIVES and NPAR TEST on the same variables.
>The results, as can be seen are completely different.
>Any explanation, or is it a bug?
>
>>
>>
>>    8  0  desc x3 x4/stat.
>>
>> The largest contiguous area has 10,483,656 bytes.
>> Number of valid observations (listwise) =        21.00
>>
>>                                                    Valid
>> Variable      Mean    Std Dev   Minimum   Maximum      N  Label
>>
>> X3            2.90       1.42         1         5     51
>> X4            2.66       1.32         1         5     41
>>
>>
>>
>>    9  0  NPAR TESTS /SIGN X3 X4 /WILCOXON X3 X4/statistics descriptives.
>>
>> There are 10,484,176 bytes of memory available.
>>
>>                 N        Mean     Std Dev  Minimum  Maximum   Label
>>
>> X3            103  -62035.063   61738.984        .        5
>> X4            103  -73965.539   60444.898        .        5

Since the Ns are different in the two procedures, obviously they aren't
looking at the same data.

--
 David Nichols        Senior Statistical Support Specialist         SPSS, Inc.
 Phone: (312) 329-3684     Internet:  nichols@spss.com     Fax: (312) 329-3657
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Date:         Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:57:28 WET
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From:         Ran Chermesh <chermesh@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL>
Subject:      Producing maps thru GRAPH
Comments: To: SPSS Users' Group <spssx-l@marist.bitnet>

SPSSers,
        I wonder what can be the cause for my failure to produce a world map
thru graph.
        First, I have linked my program to the 'world' file of spssg.
>
>  532  file handle world  /
>  533   name='/usr/local/lib/spssg2.1.2/WORLD'.

        Second, I checked my data. Following Appendix A of the SPSS Graphics
manual (p. 314), the geocodes for continents are in the range of 91-98. My
data are exactly in this range.

>  534  freq cont.
>
> CONT
>
>
>                                                         Valid     Cum
> Value Label                 Value  Frequency  Percent  Percent  Percent
>
>                             91.00        40     19.9     19.9     19.9
>                             92.00        28     13.9     13.9     33.8
>                             93.00        73     36.3     36.3     70.1
>                             94.00        13      6.5      6.5     76.6
>                             95.00        13      6.5      6.5     83.1
>                             96.00        24     11.9     11.9     95.0
>                             97.00         3      1.5      1.5     96.5
>                             98.00         7      3.5      3.5    100.0
>                                      -------  -------  -------
>                             Total       201    100.0    100.0
>
> Valid cases     201      Missing cases      0
>

        Third, I ran the following GRAPH instruction:
>
>  535  graph /adevice=ibm6154 / gdevice=x11m
>  536      /map=mean(fg) by cont/boundry=world.
>

        And here I get the following error message!
>
> >Error # 17873
> >The lowest value of the category variable does not match with the geocodes in
> >the specified map boundary and/or region file(s).  Ensure that proper data
 and
> >boundaries are selected.
> >This command not executed.
>

        What did I do wrong?

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Ran Chermesh                                  E - M A I L
Behavioral Sciences Dept.                     ===========
Ben-Gurion University                  Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL
Beer-Sheva 84105                                 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL
Israel                                 Bitnet  : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET
Phone: 972-57-472-057                  Fax: 972-57-232-766
From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
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Subject: Re: loglinear parameter extraction
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:48:38 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <01GS6QOAJTT40000MJ@NEPTUNE.KINGSTON.AC.UK> Stephen Gourlay <BS_S467@NEPTUNE.KINGSTON.AC.UK> writes:
>I use SPSSX and/or SPSS PC to perform logit analysis.  In order to compute
>odds and odds ratios, I have to write out the parameters, and use a hand
>calculator.  There are programs which allow you to access the parameter
>values in order to perform more calculations on them.
>
>Does anyone know if this is possible with SPSS, and if so, how can I do it?
>Or should I use a different stats package?
>
>Stephen Gourlay
>Senior Lecturer
>Kingston Business School
>Kingston University
>Kingston on Thames
>UK
>
>bs_s467@neptune.kingston.ac.uk

There is currently no facility for writing out parameter estimates from
LOGLINEAR or LOGISTIC REGRESSION. If you want to go to the trouble of
programming CNLR (Constrained Nonlinear Regression) to fit the model,
you can write out parameter estimates. That's the best thing we have
right now.

--
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 Phone: (312) 329-3684     Internet:  nichols@spss.com     Fax: (312) 329-3657
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Date:         Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:04:13 EST
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From:         AJK@NIHCU.BITNET
Comments: To: USERSPS1@UMICHUM.BITNET, SPSSX-L@UGA.BITNET

Sorry if I misunderstand the question. But why not use N format?
 as on line 7 below
    1  0           GET FILE=RATINGS
0File 'WNKRGHQ.RATERS.MASTER.SPSSFILE'
    Created:  09-NOV-92 13:59:21 - 104 variables

    2  0           N OF CASES 20
    3  0           COMPUTE ID2=$CASENUM
    4  0           COMPUTE ID3=$CASENUM
    5  0           COMPUTE ID4=$CASENUM
    6  0           FORMATS ID2 (N2) ID3(N3) ID4(N4)
    7  0           LIST VARS=  ID2 ID3 ID4
0There are 715,672 bytes of memory available.
 The largest contiguous area has 708,840 bytes.
-723 bytes of memory required for the LIST procedure.
 624 bytes have already been acquired.
 99 bytes remain to be acquired.
114-Dec-92   SPSS RELEASE 4.1 FOR IBM OS/MVS
                                              Page   2
 08:54:23    NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH  IBM 3090-300J    OS MVS/ESA


 ID2 ID3  ID4

  01 001 0001
  02 002 0002
  03 003 0003
  04 004 0004
  05 005 0005
  06 006 0006
  07 007 0007
  08 008 0008
  09 009 0009
  10 010 0010
  11 011 0011
  12 012 0012
  13 013 0013
  14 014 0014
  15 015 0015
  16 016 0016
  17 017 0017
  18 018 0018
  19 019 0019
  20 020 0020
-Number of cases read:  20    Number of cases listed:  20
> Greetings, fellow list readers. Being new at this, I didn't know if anyone
> had faced the problem of creating variables that, when written out to a
> text file would be padded with zeros to the left. I struggled a good deal
> with this, and post it here in case anyone else has a use for it.
>
> In the process, I discovered that I had to use the DO IF command to
> get the INDEX() function to work properly, *not* the !IF . . .!THEN of
> the macro language (this, thanks to David Marso of SPSS), and note the
> doubled LTRIM, which seemed to be necessary to get the minus signs handled
> properly.
>
> If anyone has more graceful solutions, I would be gratified to see them.
>
> Bennet Fauber
> SPSS Site Coordinator
> University of Michigan
> fauber@umich.edu
> ************************
>
> DEFINE LZ (OLD=!TOKENS(1) /NEW=!TOKENS(1) /LEN=!TOKENS(1)
>    /DEC=!TOKENS(1))  .
> STRING  !NEW !CONCAT('(A',!LEN,')') .
> COMPUTE !NEW=STRING(!OLD,!CONCAT('F',!LEN,'.',!DEC)) .
> COMPUTE IND=INDEX(!NEW,'-') .
> DO IF (INDEX(!NEW,'-') > 0).
> COMPUTE !NEW=LTRIM(!NEW,'-') .
> COMPUTE !NEW=LPAD(RTRIM(LTRIM(LTRIM(!NEW),'-')),!LEN-1,'0')  .
> COMPUTE !NEW=LPAD(RTRIM(LTRIM(!NEW)),!LEN,'-')  .
> ELSE  .
> COMPUTE !NEW=LPAD(RTRIM(LTRIM(!NEW)),!LEN,'0').
> END IF .
> !ENDDEFINE   .
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Date:         Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:16:46 -0500
Reply-To:     gnelson@HARPO.DEV.UGA.EDU
From:         gnelson@HARPO.DEV.UGA.EDU
Subject:      Discriminant analysis
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 CONTENT:   Question (on using matrix file to classify second file)
 SUMMARY:   Using Discriminant to Create classification model & then
            classify second file with the same variables
 REL/PLTF:  4.0 Mac/OS
 E-ADDR:    gnelson@uga.cc.uga.edu
 NAME:      Greg Nelson
 DATE:      11 December 1992

Help!  I have been working with SPSS 4.0 on the Macintosh to try to perform
a discriminant analysis.  I have file #1 which contains group codes and
variables used to classify groups.  The second file only contains the
variables used to classify the groups.  What I want to do is what is says
that you can do on page 40 of the Advanced Statistics User's Guide.....
"You can use the first file to produce matrix materials that can then be
used along with the variables in the second file to classify the cases in
the second file. ....."

Here's my code to produce the matrix:


GET FILE "Original Sys File".


Discriminant groups=score (3,6)
    /variables    pairs age fashbug lerner kinney natuarl picway wildpr
             often blouse jeans skirt dress earring necklac purse
             cosmo glamor goodhse vogue nomag kids live income
             astate1 to astate4 educ
    /method=wilks
    /priors .3693 .1468 .40825 .0757
    /save class=pov scores=scorea probs=prb
    /matrix OUT( "OUT Matrix" )
    /statistics=table
    /plot=all.

SAVE /OUTFILE "Original Sys w/Scores".

***** this works fine, I can see the matrix system file and then try the
following:


GET FILE "New Sys File".

Discriminant groups=score (3,6)
    /variables    pairs age fashbug lerner kinney natuarl picway wildpr
             often blouse jeans skirt dress earring necklac purse
             cosmo glamor goodhse vogue nomag kids live income
             astate1 to astate4 educ
    /method=wilks
    /save class=pov scores=scorea probs=prb
    /matrix=in( "OUT Matrix" )
    /statistics=all
    /plot=all.

and get the following error......

>Error # 10411 in column 21.  Text: SCORE
>SPSS-X does not recognize the variable named on the GROUPS or SELECT
>subcommand.  Is the variable defined?  Did you spell its name correctly?
>This command not executed.



Any suggestions?

btw - how come is says:

        >SPSS-X does not recognize.....

porting from SPSS-X to SPSS didn't quite make it all the way, I guess....


TIA :-)

Greg Nelson
Greg Nelson
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----------------------------Original message----------------------------
    Lori Guidos, you bring up a FANTASTIC point - just what were
    librarians like in those days???? I wonder if anyone has studied
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Subject:      For you Hard Core Users

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject:      Hardcore Users
To:           Gutenberg Discussion Group <gutnberg@uiucvmd>

For you hardcore users out there who are not gone for the holidays:

We have opened up a test version of the etext93 directory which now
contains the latest World Factbook.  Have at it and let me know.

We have acquired 250 million digits of Pi and are thinking about an
assortment of compression and search techniques.  Suggestions are a
sound Christmas present.  We should have the whole billion digits--
from two separate sources--and will need to compare them.  This may
be more fun than one might think.  We also need to determine a best
way to present the file for users (line numbers?  spaces?  how long
should lines be?  etc.)

Keep looking in etext93 for Pi, Surfing the Internet or Anne of the
Island, which along with the Factbook should be our four etexts for
January 1993.  Stay tuned for more requests for volunteers, as this
coming year will require us to get twice as productive once again.

Happy Holidays!

=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
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