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From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Japanese Full Size Trucks
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:54:10 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <issa.722401405@cwis>, issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:
|> 
|> The four-wheel drive half-ton with five-speed transmission has 1,550 pounds 
|> standard payload capacity. The two-wheel drive one-ton can handle up to 2,550 
|> pounds.  Towing capacity is 5,000 pounds for the two-wheel drive half-ton, and 
|> 4,500 pounds for the four-wheel drive.
|> 
If those figures are supposed to impress truck owners, then they leave a lot
to be desired.  A 1 ton rated truck that can only handle 2550 lb is next to
useless.  A 1 ton should have a GVWR of at least 10,000 lb or it has no right
calling itself a 1 ton.  Towing capacity of 5,000 is pretty wimpy also.  The
Buick Roadmaster has a 7,000 lb rating, and it's a passenger vehicle.
|> 
|> 
|> >The 'T-100' will be the best thing that ever happened to domestic truck
|> >builders because of it flaws...  It continues in the 'it-looks-like-it's-
|> >a-truck-but-don't-put-a-load-on-it' pattern of all the micro-'trucks'.
|> 
|> >Walt K.
|> 
|> >p.s. -- predicted msrp's are in the $25000-range...  P.T. Barnum described any
|> >potential buyers of the Toyota T-100 quite well...
|> 
|> The base price of the T100 is $13,998.
|> The base price for the T100 SR5 is $15,718, the price for the top of the line
|> SR5 is ~$19,639 (equipped with options of cruise control, aluminum wheels,
|> air conditioning, tilt steering wheel, tachometer, power windows and door 
|> locks, interval wipers, chrome front and rear bumpers and an incredible AM/FM
|> stereo with compact disc player that turns the cabin into rolling head phones.
|> 
|> 

In 1990 I paid about $19K for an F350 Crew Cab with dual wheels, diesel engine,
E4OD auto transmission, and most of the options you list.  I have a GVWR of 
10,000 lb and am rated to tow a fifth wheel up to 12,500 lb.  I can have up to
6 adults sit in comfort in the cab for long trips, and get over 12mpg while
pulling my 11,000 lb fifth wheel.  Mileage around town with no load is over 18
mpg.  Tell me which is the better truck...


-- 
Alan Hepburn           "An ignorant person is one who doesn't know
National Semiconductor       what you have just found out."
Santa Clara, Ca              
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Will Rogers
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Intrepid and Ozone A/C
Date: 21 Nov 1992 22:24:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, pgrg9345@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (pAul rAdja) says:

> When Tipper Gore has us all buying Christian records I'm moving to Canada!

i tried to buy and damn rap album for a freind..i even PURPOSELY chose the
ones with NO PARENTAL ADVISORY stickers on them, cuz it was posted that
the (_ _ sucking) store wouldn't sell them to minors(i was 17). so i chose
one that said edited version on all the listings, and had no PA on it..
and they said that the would sell NO RAP to anyone...GEEZ!!..they should
be SHOT!!! (ok..i should have wasted the managers right there just for posting
that f*cking sign that they wouldn't sell PA ones to minors...what the
hell is a PA..just that..an advisory..shouldn't mean that we CAN'T buy it..
i swear this place IS going to the <insert fav. gripe here>nazis!!..
sorry to waste the space..hadda get that out..
DREW
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From: johnc@porsche.cs.rpi.edu (John Colasante)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: URGENT! engine rpm goes up to 5000
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:39:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.18v1k8=
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute Computer Science, Troy NY


   I think the problem is the accelator cable got stuck somewhere.  But I have no
   idea of checking it.  Can anyone tell me how?

It sounds like an accelerator cable stuck.  The throttle housing is
located on the intake manifold.  Follow the aircleaner housing
through a thick black plastic hose going into the throttle body.
Here you will see the accelerator cable and possibly a cruise
control cable.  You should disconnect the cable at this point and
make sure the throttle closes completely by starting the car and
manually "juicing" the throttle.  Now check that the cable is not
bound up.  If it is you will have to detatch it from the pedal
in the interior and replace it, around $15-$20 from dealer.
This is not a difficult job, you should be able to do it with a 
minimum of tools.

These cables sometimes become sticky in very cold weather.  I
have tried to regrease them to save money but the repair
usually doesn't last, so buy a new one.
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford Probe - invoice prices wanted
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:17:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold

In article <2B09CC15.21923@news.service.uci.edu> jroersma@orion.oac.uci.edu
(John Roersma) writes:
>Hello everyone.  Does anyone happen to know the dealer
>invoice prices for the '93 Probe (4 cylinder manual with AC)?

That's way too new for some of the "invoice price" books, but
there's a good means of estimating the invoice.  Look up the price
for the '92 model.  Then, find
      '92 diff = '92 MSRP - '92 invoice
Then,
       '93 invoice = '93 MSRP - '92 diff,
approximately.

>My girlfriend is planning to buy a car soon and is looking
>at the Probe along with a couple of other cars (namely the Saturn
>SC2, Dodge Shadow convertible, and Chrysler LeBaron convertible--any
>comments?), but she would like to get a better idea of what to expect
>to pay.

Forget Dodge or Chrysler.  They are about as reliable as Hyundais.
Forget the Probe.  It's a repackaged Mazda; the Mazda has a better
warranty.

Buy the original Mazda, or get a Saturn SC2.

>Thanks!

You're welcome.

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From: philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Help! Ford service disaster!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:06:23
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
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In-reply-to: bay@unislc.uucp's message of Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:20:57 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.222057.14770@unislc.uucp> bay@unislc.uucp (Bethanne Yukman) writes:

   If I were in your situation I would be furious.  I would first call and
   complain to the manager of the dealership.  Then if I didn't get satisfaction
   I would call the regional Ford office.  Next I would call the national
   headquarters and talk to Ford's national customer service hotline.  If
   you don't complain to people who can do something about the problem,
   nothing will change.  

I did all of this with my lemon Ford and they wouldn't do anything
until I took them to small claims court.  Write one demand letter and
then sue.  If they want to treat you reasonably, they will offer to
settle before your case comes up for trial; if not, you would have had
to sue them eventually so why waste your breathe.

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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Cadillacs (WAS: INFFINITI vs BMW)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:08:22 GMT

In article <CARL.92Nov18133713@atlantis.Cayman.COM> carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:
>
>>The Allante with the Northstar engine makes 60 in 6.7 seconds if I remember
>>right.  And Road&Track LOVED the handling too.....
>
>>Not to mention the thing has a FANTASTIC-sounding exhaust!
>
>Well, the Allante is already a 60k car even before the Nortstar
>engine.  How much extra will the Northstar add - it will probably put
>it into the 70k range, so for only 25k more than a Q45 you can get
>exactly the same acceleration.  Hmmm, which one would *I* buy :^)
>
>-Carl-
>--
allante is being cancelled...so better get them while there are still some on
the lot.
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Raising the limit
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:19:26 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Nov19.030248.19722@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> hugh@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Hugh Grierson) writes:
>In article <Bxtpps.EvC@ssesco.com> nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.175045.8175@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou) writes:
>>|> Every car must pass an annual mechanical test to ensure safety,
>>|> emmision, etc.  How is that?

>Are you saying that the US doesn't have such a system?  I am genuinely
>surprised.  [But at least it is consistent with the US seatbelt regulations,
>ie there are more important issues than saving peoples' lives :-(].

State Inspections perform this function

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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: NOx, hydrogen, and zero emmissions
Date: 22 Nov 1992 06:12:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, wilsont@rahul.net (Timothy Wilson) says:

>First off, NOx is produced whenever there is combustion of any sort in 
>our atmosphere.
>
>You _do_not_ need to inject water into the cylinder... thats an old 1960-1970
>kludge to stop the engine from having the explosion in the intake tubes.
>it does nothing for emmisions, it saves the intake system if you are using
>something as stupid as a carbuerator. 
>
>Emmission control is through the fuel/air ratio. The ratio is so extreme, 
>( i forget which way) that there is a serious power loss.
>
>The japanese have a Z running on LH2, they inject it straight into the cylinder
>no need to heat it.
>
>Zero Emmisions: Its just that... ZERO. a zero emmission vehicle does not 
>have a tail pipe!
>I thought this was really stupid, but its true. (or so i was told by my
>energy professor)
>
>So unless the laws change, H2 has a slim future in CA. (where zero emmisions 
>started anywayas)
>
>The last point, IC engines are a bad idea. Try a fuel cell. No NOx..
>you only get water vapor. 
>
>UTC has a fuel cell that weighs 90kg, but puts out 300kw. (400hp)
>the draw back is that it costs 1/2 million dollars. :(
>
>What do you expect for platinum and gold covered nodes.
>
>
>Timothy "I wrote a 15 page paper on it" Wilson.

fifteen page paper or no, i do not believe what you are telling me. but that
is ok, since you obviously are going to disagree with me. So, you can be happy
with whatever makes you happy, and i'll do the same. H power is still not
a very viable option in the immediate future, or at least, i do not see it.
perhaps you do. i think H power is STUPID. there are better and easier 
and just as Efreindly solutions.  but i know that i would be told that i
am a dork and stupid, and thus will not "publish" what i think here, aside
from what i have heard/think i know about H power not being viable..now at
least.
DREW
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From: mort@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Mortensen)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:23:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Ford kicked my ass in court
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, davel@ampex.com (Dave Larkins) writes:

> 
> Lots of stuff deleted .......
>	Pretty funny and to the point, or sad.....
	I still have not figured this out yet.....

	You bought a major LEMON pal, and you should have
	cut your losses when the rear end was out of spec
	due to the factory.......That would have been my
	clue.  Always cut your losses when ever this kind
	of fate happens.  Trying to get Ford to face up to
	their lemon is a moot point.  Even the best cars on
	earth, have their lemons.  Call it god, fate, poor 
	design, whatever it still means you should have traded
	it in, or smashed it up and got the insurance, or lose
	it somewhere and say it was stolen or whatever........
	
	I would stop anymore waste of time with ford, suck up 
	your pride and sense of what is right and move on with 
	life..........Get a stealth instead.

Morty
From: corbetew@cco.caltech.edu (Corbet E. Wilcox)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: wanted : 67-68 merc cougar
Date: 18 Nov 1992 17:28:26 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: ca
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Does anyone out there want to sell me their 67 or 68 Mercury Cougar?
I would prefer it to be the XR7 model, and it should run.
Thank you

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From: ganapath@tahoe.qualcomm.com (Chinnappa Ganapathy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: G20 vs. Altima, Fast vs. Slow
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:48:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: qualcomm.1992Nov16.224856.4795
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

In article <1e3u58INNlht@agate.berkeley.edu> shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy) writes:
>
>in answering your question not all cars are created and were designed with
>different purposes in mind... isn't nissan trying to push the sentra as a 
>"sporty" car... so maybe that's why they gave it a 130 speedo (how fast does 
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>a SE-R go anyways?  anyone?)  while the prism seems to be being pushed as
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>a refine/safe/basic-all-around car (just saw the commercial where they 
>were talking about prism's safety features...); thus the 80 max speedo.
>

Car and Driver measured the SE-R at 125 mph.  However the SE-R's speedo
goes upto 140 mph!

Chinna
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Ford Probe - invoice prices wanted
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 07:39:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.061747.29528@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>That's way too new for some of the "invoice price" books, but
>there's a good means of estimating the invoice.  Look up the price
>for the '92 model.  Then, find
>      '92 diff = '92 MSRP - '92 invoice
>Then,
>       '93 invoice = '93 MSRP - '92 diff,
>approximately.

i think a more reliable way would be to calculate the percentage
margin between the MSRP and the invoice, and to apply this to
the '93 MSRP; e.g.

'93 invoice   '92 invoice
----------- = -----------
'93 MSRP      '92 MSRP

multiply the '93 MSRP by the percentage derived from the '92 numbers.

-teddy
From: markg@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mark Goldsworthy)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:41:12 GMT
Subject: Re: WHAT IS A MITSUBISHI EXPORT ?????????
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.autos

/ hpmwga7:rec.autos / roneill@ac.dal.ca / 10:53 am  Nov 20, 1992 /

>Could someone please tell me or describe to me what a
>Mitsubishi Export is?

Have you ever seen a Nissan Axxess? The Expo is Mitsu's answer to that Nissan
flop (the Axxess lasted only one model year). However, as the former owner of
an Axxess, I can say that it was fun to drive and could haul 6 passengers
comfortably. The best way to characterize the Axxess and the Expo is as a
mini-mini van. It is NOT as large as a minivan, so if you try to stuff too much
into it, it will be cramped.

Mark Goldsworthy

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Leather Seats
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:52:27 GMT


In article <1992Nov17.192249.8037@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik) writes:
>In article 15522@auspex-gw.auspex.com, tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov13.224757.10765@viewlogic.com>, brad@buck.viewlogic.com 
>>(Bradford Kellogg) writes:
>>> A porch with a full leather interior? Gee, the house I grew up in had
>>> two porches, but neither of them had any leather at all, just pine
>>> boards with old paint peeling off....... :-)
>>
>>Obviously, you didn't have a Porch Carrera...
>>
>Is tat the PORCH with the removable roof?

Yeah, and the windows are completely screened in. Next year, the company
will be coming out with the Gazebo Carerra. ;-)

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: G20 vs. SL2
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 04:20:17 GMT

In article <1ert9sINNgkv@uwm.edu> qazi8906@ee.uwm.edu (Aamir Qazi) writes:
>> If you don't like the Altima, fine!  Choose Nissan's other fine
>> offering in the sedan market, the Infiniti G20.  List prices are
>> one thing, but brand new 1993 G20's can be had for $16,000. 
>Been watching too much TV have we ? ? ? Take a good hard test drive in
>a Saturn SL2 and then talk about handling in a small sedan.
> You get a free loaner, roadside assistance,

No one would believe me when I originally posted this.  There is 
a recurring ad (in the San Francisco Chronicle) that advertises
the G20 for about $15,999.

Would you buy that or would you buy an Altima?

>...  Again, if my budget were in the low teens, then the Saturn would
>be near the top of my list, but you are comparing apples with oranges.

Agreed. 

If you are on a tight budget, then buy the Saturn.  Otherwise,
buy a Honda.

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From: slotfi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Sherveen Lotfi)
Subject: Re: What do you think about Grand AM?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:16:32 GMT

hear, hear!  i drove one for about two weeks.  felt like i was crusing
around in an oil tanker.  it looks really "built-up", not smooth at all.
the effects on the body panels are very over-done.  i much prefer the
old generation grand am's styling.  the automatic transmission is not
smooth, even by GM's standards.  i got really tired of getting my head
snapped back by the V-6 every time the engine decided that is was time
to shift.

so, then i decided it was time to get a real car and went and got myself
a '92 integra RS for 11K.  i saved myself about 3 grand over buying the
pontiac, and now, i decide when it's the right time to shift.

-sherveen
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Vibration Rama (Re: Merkur Scorpio)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 05:19:49 GMT

In article <PHILG.92Nov19192541@zug.ai.mit.edu> philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu
writes:
>...
>For example, my [Ford] car vibrated (steering wheel visibly shaking at
>40MPH).
>...

That's nothing new.

Ever sit in the new Escorts or Tracers?  The dashboard literally shakes,
and the steering wheel vibrates.

The same car made by Mazda solved the second problem, but the first
is still there but not to the same extent.  I guess that Ford must use
a crummy engine or something.

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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: How do you spell relief?
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:13:22 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <BxtH82.Ix0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:

>Damned it, for the last time, its is spelled C-A-M-A-R-O   

	*I* thought it was spelled D-O-G

						Arrrooooooo!!!!
Organization: Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:43:47 -0500 
From: "Joseph J. Sapienza" <js08+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Heater-84 Lincoln

The heater in my 84 Lincoln with automatic climate controll runs fine
for about 10 minutes then shuts down. (It is set at 85)
The temp in the car was 30 and it shut off at 40 today.
Can anyone tell me the repair for this?
The dealer said it could be one of the 5 sensors under the dash but he
wants me to bring the car in and I do not want to end up with a 200.00
bill.
He said that the whole dash unit may need to be tore out for the repair.
If anyone can supply the part number of the sensor and location I will
appreciate your help.

Cold in Pittsburgh
Joe
From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:05:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Intrepid and Ozone A/C (was Re: Whining about buying American cars)
Organization: HP Singapore