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From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Car Jack
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:57:18 GMT

In article <1ig4ceINN6mn@mirror.digex.com> curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.091245.29619@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>>
>>I don't think these issues have anything to do with law.  If I were committed
>>to carrying a gun in the car, I would do so with or without the law on my
>>side.  My life (and anyone else's) is more important than the law as it
>>pertains to gun restrictions.
>
>I don't want to encourage anyone to carry a weapon illegally, but I know
>of a lot of people who do just that.  They are otherwise mature,
>law-abiding citizen who feel a need to have the means to protect themselves
>at their disposal.  They don't get arrested because they dress in suits
>and don't act like idiots.
>
>But that's not why I'm writing.  I you do carry a gun and you end up
>using it to legally defend yourself, it might save your life; and if
>you've been really good, you just might get someone like me on your 
>jury.  It only takes one not guilty out of twelve to acquit.
>
>
From: actize@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Stretching
Date: 9 Jan 1993 02:33:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Hello folks, it's me again.  This is not double talk, pig-latin (or other forms
thereof), playing the devil's advocate, or other such forms of speech.

Can you give me tips on how to stretch ?  I need basic hints and guidelines.
What is a book on stretching going to tell me that I don't already know ?
I don't need to see 100 pictures of limber people.

"do this first thing in the morning" (if I can roll out of bed, shower, and get
coffee I have a sense of accomplishment)

"keep limber all day" (good advice) 

"while you are practicing this you can come to the club only twice a week" 
(where have I heard that before?)
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From: cf@fokus.gmd.de (C. Fuhrhop)
Subject: Videos on Aikido  
Organization: GMD-Fokus
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:36:03 GMT

(Sorry about the damage in the last mail...)
   
I'm interested in Videos in Aikido, but the choice available here
in Germany is very limited. I was told, that the market in the USA
should be much bigger & so here is my question:
Can you give me adresses of mail-order shops, which sell videos 
on Aikido, Iaido or familiar themes?
I would prefer these tapes in PAL (e.g. UK), but NTSC-coded is fine, too!
Does anyone know of recordings on laserdisc (CAV)?

Thanks a lot in advance,
Wolfgang Wuerz

Please send your replies to wuerz-w@vax.hmi.dbp.de, because I'm
posting that from a friend, who's not subscribing martial-arts
(and so wouldn't notice any REPLIES on my letter).
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: NINJUTSU
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:11:26 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <7197.897.uupcb@meaddata.com> jo.lavoy%theweb@meaddata.com (Jo Lavoy) writes:
>Ah, but Steve, it's even worse than you think.  "Jo" is a feminine fore,
>as opposed to "Joe" which is masculine.  So...I am female.

Gee, I just thought it was a *really* good disguise...;-)

Steve
From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: New Mag called "Budo"
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:37:32 GMT
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There is a new MA mag, published quarterly called "Budo".

The 2nd issue is out. The quality of paper is poor - budget
rated mag. The 1st issue had articles on Wally Jay and Willie
Cahill. 

The current issue has an article on Walter Todd (of Oakland, Ca.)

For those who are not familiar with one of the great pioneers of 
MA in the states, here is your opportunity. Much has been made of
those who live in LA, been involved in the "sports/contact" side,
but little given to the early, traditional schools and Senseis.

Walt trained the early US Judo Olympian George Harris. He was USJA's 
Phil Porter instructor as well. He is ranked in Aikido - studied
with Tohei and is the representative for Shudokan Karate in the U.S.

A master teacher and gentleman - a follower of Budo. A fitting testimony.

---
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: high school kids
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:43:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1iapj8INN9p6@mirror.digex.com> curt@access.digex.com (curt williams) writes:
>The thing that make Marines tough is not exotic skills, but planned,
>progressive conditioning.  To answer your questions, the time spent on

	I wanted to say that what makes a Marine a tough person in a 
hand-to-hand situation is their physical and mental conditioning, not that
they're expert hand-to-hand fighters, but *I* was afraid to start a flamewar...

>One of the great disservices we do to people is let them believe, for
>instance [and not to pick on you judo people], that judo allows a "weak"
>person to defeat a strong person.  I've been thrown by many a smaller
>person, but never by a weak person.

	Well, *I've* been thrown by a physically weak person...  In fact,
I sometimes play with a college-age woman, about 120 pounds.  She is 
physically weak, relatively speaking, but she does throw me...  I think this
is a question of _semantics_ more than anything else...   What's "weak" ?



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From: ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Ernst Krudl)
Subject: Re: Science and Chi
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 08:13:22 GMT
Organization: SIEMENS Austria Corp., A-1100 Wien, Gudrunstr. 11
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Thank you for this practical posting, although credit goes to the thread to 
have caught you anyway, sorry inspired you to contribute.
Yes I am intersted in scientific research articles on acupuncture or/and qi.
Although it might not help very much while practising or experiencing qi,
it opens the mind to the concept and draws the attention of a wider audience.
Sometimes while discussing with "pure scientists" it is helpfull to start from
a safe basis.
Also this thread was very interesting from a cultural view. I have never heard
of so specific scientific boxes one has to fit into. Sort of philosophical
categories of scientists or scientific approach. THis seems to be common
more in the anglo... way of thinking. THis is not to judge, just a different
view.
Thanks in advance.

Ernst Krudl, Vienna, Austria, Europe (ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at)
 
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,misc.fitness
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Need recommendation for book on stretching!
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:25:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.161522.5487@athena.mit.edu> 
 ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross) writes:
>>I am looking for a good book on stretching for mobility and flexibility.
>
>My favorite book on stretching is called "Stretch and Strengthen" by Judy
>Alter.  It definitely gives you the scientific detail you want...

Absolutely; Alter is marvelous.  _Stretch and Strengthen is rather
encyclopedic, though; my all-time favorite stretching book (and the
one my sensei recommends to all his students) is Alter's simple
introduction, _Surviving Exercise_.

--                    __
Ellen Keyne Seebacher \/             elle@midway.uchicago.edu
From: schaefer@cisco.com (Carl Schaefer)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Bruce Lee info request
Date: 6 Jan 1993 23:23:11 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems
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A friend is working on a documentary of Bruce Lee.  He is now looking
for private films, outtakes or other uncommon film clips, and would
also like to interview former students.

He can be reached at

    Chris Barbour
    WKW Productions, Inc.
    1900 Avenue of the Stars, Suite 1500
    Los Angeles, CA  90067
    310-203-9909 (voice, call collect)
    310-788-0476 (FAX)

I will forward any electronic responses sent to me.

thanks,
Carl
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From: ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross)
Subject: Re: Need recommendation for book on stretching!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:15:22 GMT

In article <1i9i7kINNm1t@travis.csd.harris.com> brad@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Brad Appleton) writes:
>I am looking for a good book on stretching for mobility and
>flexibility.  I have one that looks good called "Mobility training for
>the Martial Arts".  Does anyone have any knowledge/opinions about this
>book?
>
>What I want is something that goes into the scientific details of what
>happens to your anatomy when you stretch (both properly and
>improperly) and that recommends specific exercises for increasing
>flexibility/mobility in various parts of the body.
>

My favorite book on stretching is called "Stretch and Strengthen" by Judy
Alter.  It definitely gives you the scientific detail you want, and emphasises
the yin/yang nature of stretching and strengthening (though it doesn't
explicitly say "yin" and "yang") as necessary and complementary actions.  She
gives sets of stretches for various types of activity or emphasis (e.g.,
Dancers and Professional Athletes, People Who Stand A Lot, Emphasis On Legs,
Emphasis On Upper Body, etc).  I see nothing on mobility per se, but every
stretch I have ever done from this book has increased my limb mobility and
muscle flexibility, so I see no need for her to have isolated those qualities.
Good luck.

	Rich
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Well, well, well...
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:30:35 GMT


schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.162042.10370@sei.cmu.edu>
psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:

>	Then how do you distinguish between the "ch" sound in qi and the "ch"
>sound in chang? In Chinese, they are 2 distinct sounds, but in English, they
>are pretty similar.
>	qi means air/breath, chi (same tone) means to eat (caveat: my Mandarin
>is pretty shaky)

The characters for air and to eat do not have the same tone in
Mandarin.  Air is a falling tone, to eat is a high tone.  Regardless
of the tone they are completely different sounds.

>>In other words, I give the Chinese linguists credit for nothing in light of
>>their ignorance of my language.

Does Peter really
think that Pinyin was designed for use by English speakers only?  English
speakers are only a small minority in this world.

>	Maybe you should turn this around. You don't know much about Chinese,
>so what basis do you have for criticizing their work?
>	The written english language is a confusing, irregular and inefficient.
>If you have to create a system for romanizing a language, why not make it
>concise, efficient and unambiguous?

Amen brother.  If any written language needs an overhaul because the
written language is inconsistent it is English (including American
variations).  Pinyin, on the other hand, is perfectly consistent.
If you know how to read and pronounce Pinyin there is never a question
about how a certain word is pronounced, even if you never saw or heard
of that word before.  The same cannot be accurately said about English.

>	And if it seems weird to English speakers, maybe that's just because
>they're used to something different.

>>...these are just my opinions after all.  I don't really care who believes
>>them.

>	You obviously do have some consideration, otherwise you wouldn't go
>through the effort of posting them.



-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Journey...
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:38:46 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: psc@sei.cmu.edu's message of 11 Jan 93 14:15:46 GMT


In article <1993Jan11.091546.3474@sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:

   10-Jan-93 13:29	osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)	Re: Well, well... (last)
[snip]

   >And for that matter you can read 	about other Western traditions such as
   >the Bogomils, Cathars,	Cabalistic Judaism, Sufism ("Whirling Dervishes").

   I don't know what a Bogomil or Cathar is, however Cabalistic Judaism is (as I
   have been told) deeply mystical, and not at all representative of anything I
   would describe as western.

Well, then, perhaps you should describe exactly what you DO mean by "western"
and "eastern", because I'm way confused.  What defines "western" and 
"eastern", and do they between them divide the entire human spiritual and
philosophical world?  Thoughout this whole rather silly debate, which seems
to me to be more of a labeling/pigeonholing exercise than anything else, 
I keep wondering where you'd try to fit some of the various Native 
American spiritual traditions, for example.

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Subject: Re: nelsons
From: M.J.Wright@massey.ac.nz (M.J. Wright)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 21:22:09 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: full nelson
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> with my spaghetti like shoulders I can get out of an attempt at a full 
  nelson by most people

Like any technique, it must be applied to be effective, and it can be
defended against by anticpating it and countering it before it is fully
applied.  This does not mean that it is an ineffectual technique, merely
that it should be applied 1) when it is not expected 2) when the attacker's
movement creates the opportunity to apply it.

> someone that highly trained would opt for something more lethal

If by lethal you mean effective, a full nelson is a totally effective 
restraining hold against a single opponent.

If by lethal, you mean deadly, then I advise you stop training to kill 
people by surprise from behind.  This is not appropriate for either 
self defence or competition.  Nevertheless, a small modification to the full
nelson (dangerous - do not try this at home/in your own gym without full 
guidance from an instructor experienced in this variation) can make the
technique fully effective from this perspective as well.


Malcolm Wright
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Escalation
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:51:07 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

>    I never leave my house without my buck knife, and I see no point in

I'm not convinced this is a good idea. You can expect your opponent to escalate
to at least the level of armament that you display. So if you pull a knife,
things get very serious. Better to learn the practice and mindset of improvising
a weapon from things to hand as required.

If the other guy pulls a knife, distract, then run like hell. Dont risk going 
up against a well used knife.

The First Law of Combat has to be the Law of Superior Firepower:
  If he has a knife, you need a gun. If he has a gun, you need a tank. If he
has a tank, you need an A10 etc.
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From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Need hapkido advice on warmups, please read!
Originator: shulick@navajo
Reply-To: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:42:27 GMT


Just got back from hapkido (nice little dojo!) :).  The head instructor
is a 6th Dan, and his assistant is a temporary blackbelt. I was
surprised when I asked the head instructor what style hapkido this is,
he just said "hapkido."  That must be BS.. how can a 6th Dan not be
aware of the different styles?  Maybe some of you can tell me what style
by the below text.  Anyway, this is our course context:

Lesson   1  Organization and Administration.
         2  Customs and courtesies; Concepts of stretching.
         3  Reverse punch; moving punch.
         4  Touch block; block - punch drill.
         5  Palm heel strike; high block; block - punch drill.
         6  Knife-hand strike; Front, half moon, & roundhouse kick
         7  45 degree angle block; back kick and side kick
         8  Outside block; Review strikes, blocks, & kicks
         9  Body movement drill; low outside & inside blocks
        10  Intro to falling; landing position; backfalls
        11  Side falls; forward roll (Rt & Lt)
        12  Principles of self-defense; vital areas of body
        13  Concept of using the free part - Attack from rear
        14  Concept of using the free part - Attack from front
        15  Review
        16  MID-TERM SKILLS EXAM - Yellow belt testing (Optional)
        17  Strikes: Vertical, uppercut, back fist, hammer, elbows
        18  Body movements - strikes; Concept of Alternative Response
        19  Jobgi (regrabs)
        20  Jobgi
        21  Milgi (pushing); cross grip
        22  Keukgi (joint locks)
        23  Joint locks
        24  FINAL WRITTEN EXAM
        25  Review Joint locks
        26  Concept of wrist locks into throws (dungeegi)
        27  Practice skills exam - Orange belt exam (optional)
        28  FINAL SKILLS EXAM

Whew. :)  So, please.. tips any ANY of the above.  I see they're going
to talk about stretching, but what (in your opinions) are the best
warmup/stretching exercises for any of the above things?  Another
thing.. the head instructor referred to lower belts as 'gups' or
something.. it was loud in the area, so I couldn't quite hear.  Gup,
Gap, what is it? :)  Oh well.. also, if you can tell me what style
hapkido this is, thanks.  Thanks for any advice!!

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From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Wary about pre-class workouts (*puff puff*)
Originator: shulick@navajo
Reply-To: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:49:33 GMT


Well, I start hapkido tomorrow.  I'm worried, because in most classes
I've seen, they have workouts before class.. crunches, jumping jacks,
pushups, etc.. and I'm not in good shape at all.  I'm young (18), so
isn't it a low chance I'll damage my heart?  I'm not fat at all, just
out of shape. :)  My exercise is walking around, that's about it.

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From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: PUBLIC ACCESS TELEVISION & MARTIAL ARTS
Date: 6 Jan 1993 00:18:54 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
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I wouldn't expect the average viewer to get anything out of "Shodan in 
1/2 Hour" either.  Nor would I get any advertizing benefit.  I like the
idea of a well-publicized 1/2 show every week.  I'm having scripting
done by a lawyer familiar with self defense law, and I'm planning to 
do all kinds of different stuff to show people what options they have
for studying martial-arts.  

All this in the hope that when they choose to act on their interest,
they'll naturally bring their business my direction.
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From: bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com (Brad Webb)
Subject: RE: Streching & PNF
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:11:00 GMT

> N.C.Thomas@newcastle.ac.uk (N C Thomas)  Writes:
>
>What's PNF?
>
>
>Well PNF is Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation and is a technique
>used to produce increased stretching gains over normal methods.
>
other stuff delete to save bandwidth.

This is also one of the major ways that Tom Kurz uses to teach streching
in his "Scientific Strecthing"tm  video and book.

However, Please be careful using or modifying this method. 

One overextension could mean a pulled/torn  muscle or ligament or tendon.

B. Webb, Dallas, Tx.
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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: "Oriental dancing"
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 12:14:19 EST


06-Jan-93 11:13	azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)	Re: Different angles

>Hmmm, I remember, years back, a group of, erm, freelance soldiers who referred
>to ALL martial arts as 'Oriental Dancing'!

Funny, based on what most people experience when they encounter "martial arts"
with respect to real fighting(tm), I can't really blame a bunch of freelance
soldiers for their opinions.

But none of these soldiers evidently came in touch with battle-ready martial
artists:  my first teacher was a go ju expert who had fought in front line
combat in Vietnam as a marine--nothing like seeing a thousand opponents storm
the barbed wire of your encampment...  

But having been through 4 years of a local school called "Shaolin" (American
instructor), I can readily understand skepticism.  If I had to rely on my
experience in that school (what my current teacher calls "flower kung fu") for
self defense, I'd be dead on first encounter.  Indeed, it was dance training.

One thing I can never get over is westerners prejudice towards the east, esp.
China.  I'm studying JKD with a very good teacher right now, and the reason I
can do that is because it requires no forms and employs virtually every
fundamental fighting technique (plus a few) taught to me by my Chinese
instructor.  So I get a lot of work on basic fighting in between my forms
workout on all the other days.  It never ceases to amaze me though, that even
though Bruce Lee was American, it is clear that JKD is simply a derivative of
the fighting techniques routinely employed in good quality Chinese martial
arts.  Nonetheless, the JKD people I meet usually fail to attribute JKD to
its Chinese MA roots.  This is appalling.  I'm beginning to think it is an
American disease.

Sidebar: A couple of years ago, the U.S. and 25 other "developed" nations
participated in a normative math exam.  Korea came out number one, the U.S.
came out dead last.  The student participants in the exam completed a survey
pertaining to their perception of their math ability as well.  On the survey,
the Americans overwhelmingly reported that they were excellent at math, coming
in number one at having the highest opinion of themselves.  Surprise surprise!

Korea came out last.


*Mark my words: there is someone out there saying to themselves that my 
 comments are "anti-American." Indeed.
From: ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross)
Subject: Re: Taiji question - long form versus short forms
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:08:59 GMT

In article <9044@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> achou@plasma.icsl.ucla.edu (Albert Chou) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.160204.6560@athena.mit.edu> ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross) writes:
>>By the way, I've learned a shorter form (the 108) as well to complement the
>>long form.
>>
>>Rich
>
>My god, how long is your long form?  I know a short modified Yang form that
>has 37 distinct postures, most of which are repeated once or more.  I've
>learned the traditional Yang 108 (though I've never counted to see whether
>that refers to the number if disting postures or the total number of postures).
>So how many postures does the long form have?
>
>Al


Timewise, two hours on the average (if you do all three parts in one workout).
Movewise, as my former instructor counted it, 64 fundamental moves (one for
each I Ching hexagram) and a lot of repeats and variations.  I'll take a look
at the listing and count them.

	Rich