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From: pmh2962@zeus.tamu.edu (Pat Hayes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: RE: Mario, Mario, ..... Danny, Danny .....
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:49:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Meteorology, TAMU
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Howdy!
	A lot of hollerin' about Mario's poke on Cheever.  What <from a
guy who forgot to SUBTRACT an hour from EDT - rats!> was the big
difference between what Mario did and what Danny did to Al Unser?
	Inquiring minds want to know ....

Pat Hayes--Meteorology--TAMU  INT: pmh@tamu.edu  BIT: pmh2962@tamzeus *whoop*
************************ standard disclaimer applies ************************
From: johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Racing Mags opinions
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:01:44 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Ok.. I allready subscribe to On Track, IndyCar Racing, and Autoweek.. but  am curious on some other media I've never looked at. Lemme know what you think of these in email or whatever. (If I'm spending approx $100/yr on magazines, I sure want to have the most for the money!)

Racer magazine - the new one... I missed ordering the first issue, so if anyone gets it, give us a review!

Speed Sport News - worth getting? how much?

Also wondering about the Speedway subscriptions to the 2 Indianapolis newspapers for the month of May.

Mainly into IndyCar and support series.

johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (yes, new address)
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From: taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436)
Subject: F1: 1-2 finishes, 1966-1986
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:45:24 GMT

In view of the recent feat of Williams finishing 1-2 in the 
first 3 GP's of 1992, I thought I would compile a list of
other 1-2'2 in F1 since 1966.  Here they are (note that only
points carrying races are considered):

1966        Brabham             GB
            Ferarri             Italy

1967        Brabham             Fr, Ger, Can
            Lotus               US

1968        Lotus               SA
            Matra               Dutch
            McLaren             Canada

1969        Matra               Fr
            Brabham             Can

1970        Ferrari             Aut, Can, Mex

1971        Tyrell              Fr, Ger

1972        Ferrari             Ger
            Tyrell              US

1973        Tyrell              Bel, Hol, Ger
            Lotus               Italy

1974        Ferrari             Sp, Hol
            Tyrell              Swe
            Brabham             US

1975        -                   

1976        Ferrari             US West, Bel
            Tyrell              Swe

1977        -

1978        Lotus               Bel, Sp, Fr, Hol

1979        Ligier              Bra
            Ferrari             SA, US W, Italy
            Williams            Ger

1980        Williams            Can, US

1981        Williams            US W, Bra

1982        Ferrari             San Mar
            Brabham             Can
            Renault             Fr

1983        McLaren             US W

1984        McLaren             SA, Ger, Hol, Port

1985        Ferrari             Can
            McLaren             Dutch

1986        McLaren             Mon
            Williams            GB, Italy

I will add the results for 1987 et seq later (when I get a 
chance to look up my Autocourse collection).  Note that in the 
time period above (and I believe since) no team has finished 1-2
in the first three races of the year.  The best sequence in the 
above is Lotus in 1978.  The first 3 of their 1-2's came in 
a four race sequence.

More recently, we have had the Big Mac steamroller in 1988 when
Senna and Prost won 15 of the 16 GP's and had no fewer than 10
1-2 finishes.  Williams has a long way to go before that record 
is in danger.  At least they got a shot at it :-)

Ross Taylor
From: brims@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu (George Brims)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna at it again.. 
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:46:20 PDT

In article <5APR199211571293@utarlg.uta.edu> b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
>Ha, more like Mansell exhibiting his stupidity on the racetrack. Why try
>to pass in an impossible situation with less than three minutes left in
>the session when you already have pole by over a second ? Senna was just
>minding his own business, this one was all Mansells fault - hopefully the
>same thing will happen in the race.

Well having now watched the tape again I have 2 comments. Mansell was pushing
his luck trying to pass there, when there was no pressure on him, maybe he was
trying to rub in the superiority of his car to psych Senna? Secondly Senna
definitely moved out off the racing line, leaving Mansell nowhere to go, but
it didn't look like any kind of aggressive move to me, more like he never
expected Mansell to try a pass there anyway and just took a bit more road than
normal. The comments of both drivers later seem to support these two points.

Now that Nigel has a nice points cushion, will McLaren please get the damn car
right so we can have a real championship competition?

George Brims
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From: b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Re: F1 HP
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:54:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.171953.844@rti.rti.org>, jbp@rti.rti.org writes...
>In article <1APR199221005548@utarlg.uta.edu> George M. Smiley writes:
> 
>>Last years Yamaha ox99 made 700 bhp at 12,000 rpm.
> 
>Hmmm....that looks like about 0.2 hp per cc.  Let's compare with a
>stock Yamaha kart motor which has about 20 hp and 100cc displacement
>-- also 0.2 hp per cc!  But, the kart motor will rev to 14,000+ rpm
>and its cheaper...... so there!     :-)
>-- 
>John Posthill  jbp@rti.rti.org

Okay, let us compare that to Yamaha's 500cc motorcycling GP motor.
It makes 170 bhp at 13,500 rpm - that would be .34 bhp per cc. It is
not as cheap as the karting motor, yet it is not as expensive as the
F1 motor, so there there :-).
Too bad they cannot maintain those kind of numbers at 3500cc, that would
come in at 1190 bhp at ????? rpm, and we would back to the prime turbo
era with 5-valves per cylinder Yamaha on top.


George.
From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Bristol: Any comments? I missed it on TV...[NASCAR]
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:28:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims01.9APR199214283384
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9APR199209355085@maximillion.cp.mcc.com>, mclellan@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (David McLellan) writes...
>>P.S.: did anyone notice Dave Mader in the Melling car?  If they come up
>>with some sponsorship, the Alabama Gang just might have another contender!
> 
>Didn't Melling have Food City as a sponsor?  If so, was this a one time 
>deal?  When I was watching the BGN rainout, I thought that Jimmy Spencer 
>said he was disappointed to not make the WC race since Food City was his 
>sponsor.  

This is purely speculation, but Food City was the sponsor of the race at 
Bristol, so it may make sense to cut a one-race-deal with Melling to get 
the Food City name on television [albeit cable].

JD
From: bruman@thetap.EBay.Sun.COM (Bruce Elkin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1: tracks/fast/chassis
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:28:25 GMT
Reply-To: bruman@thetap.EBay.Sun.COM (Bruce Elkin)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thetap.ebay.sun.com


      Would any of you F1 fans be so kind as to email to me, or post on
the net a brief description of each course the F1 circuit will visit this
season?

       Please include, if you can, track length, street or road course,
elevation changes, many or few opportunities to pass, other comments.

                            -----------------

Regarding fast drivers, let's not forget Nannini before his accident. I'd
put him pretty high up on the list. He did well in a Benetton, imagine him
driving the McLaren of a couple years ago.

                            -----------------

Regarding new chassis', McLaren's new chassis wasn't too sucessful in its
debut. Anybody hear anything about Williams' or Benetton's new designs? Will
the Ford V12 finally make an appearance before the season ends????



       Thanks for any info!       Bruce Elkin  -  bruman@ebay.sun.com


   GO............................................SCHUMACHER !!!!!!!!!!!!
From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: APOLOGY
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:34:49 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

To whom it may concern:

     I would like to formally apologize for my evil rantings about what the
topics of discussion should be on this newsgroup. I did not set out to piss
everyone off with that post; I was just trying to be FUNNY?????? As I can now
tell, my skills as a comedian/humorist need help. I will abstain from any
further indescretions, I hope, so as not to offend anyone else. I hope that
this will clear the air about SHITTY TOPICS. I did not mean to come off as the
GOD of F1. My sincere apolgies......

TOBY V. PADFIELD
From: altsourinaki@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1-Magic fuels and more...
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:52:04 GMT
Organization: Vassar College

Tom Haapanen commented on my original article about magic fuels in F1,saying
that big oil companies which also make engine and gearbox oils,were in F1 even
before exotic fuels were allowed.That is very correct.But now that their
contribution to a team's performance is much more vital than before,since a
good mixture can make a big difference,they are much more eager to spend more
and get involved more heavily in the whole F1 operation.There is no comparison
between the time,money and intensity it takes to develop good lubricants as
opposed to making powerful fuel.If the engine oil isn't excellent but just
good,it may cause some additional engine wear,fine.But F1 engines are re-built
after each race anyway,so what's the difference? On the other hand,if a company
falls behind in the development of fuel,it will have a huge impact in
qualifying and in the races,and that IS important.Although oil companies were
in F1 long before magic fuels were allowed,now they are much more eager to
stay because the "game" is much more fun.Expect huge protests if FISA even
hints that F1 fuel should be standardized.What I've read suggests that big oil
companies have threatened to withdraw from F1 if something like this ever
happens.

I also agree that although teams like Dalara and Ligier use Agip and Elf fuel
respectively,it is not the same exotic one that Ferrari and Williams use.But
it definitely has a lot of exotic elements into it.After all,don't forget that
the engines that Ligier and Dalara use may not be the latest versions of
Renault and Ferrari,but they are the engines that Williams and Ferrari used
late last season,which are excellent for a small/mid-sized team.So,the fuels
for these engines are still very exotic,and differ from the current exotic
mixtures only by the winter development that was done by Elf or Agip.It is
therefore obvious that such things as powerful engines from top manufacturers,
exotic fuels and many other things do filter down to smaller teams,and most of
them with the lag of only one season.There are teams in F1 that still use the
Ford DFR V-8 which is decades old,so let's put things into perspective here!!


Alex Tsourinakis
Vassar College
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From: mclellan@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Subject: NASCAR trivia: Cale Yarborough drivers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: MCC Corporate Computing
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:53:00 GMT

It was mentioned by Bruce Rodgers that yesterday Cale has had at least 
8 different drivers.  Between Bruce and I, we could name Cale, Lake 
Speed, Dick Trickle, Chad Little, and Randy Lajoie.  Does anyone want to 
add to this list?  I thought that Chuck Bown and/or Dorsey Schroeder 
drove one race each for Cale last year, but that could be my failing 
memory.

David
From: altsourinaki@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Pace cars in F1..
Date: 7 Apr 92 08:34:36 GMT
Organization: Vassar College

I heard during the GP of Brazil that FOCA (the manufacturers' federation)
discussed introducing pace cars in F1 racing to make it more interesting.Can
anybody briefly explain what is the exact function of pace cars in Indy racing
or in other races where they are used??

thanks,

Alex Tsourinakis
Vassar College.

e-mail:altourinaki@vassar.edu
From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Auto Union/Mercedes (was Re: Senna bashing)
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:43:43 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <1992Apr6.220854.23166@sequent.com> dafuller@sequent.com writes:
>The greatest teams of all time are probably the pre-war Auto Union team,
>who completely blew everyone away with their cars and technology, and the
>post-war Mercedes team which was similarly spectacular.  The Auto Union
>supercharged V16s were rear drive and they turned amazing revs.
>
>In a time when F1 was raced with iron that was not that far from being
>streetable, Auto Union and Mercedes had everyone else covered in terms of
>technology, speed, reliability, and reliability.  In their time, they were
>way, way ahead of the curve.
>
>If you have doubts, watch the films of the era...
>-- 
>Dave Fuller		 	All opinions expressed are my own and not
>Sequent Computer Systems	those of Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
>dafuller@sequent.com

Ok, I'm game.  Can you suggest any available VHS tapes I can buy that
cover that era?

Dave Wilson
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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: Bristol: Any comments? I missed it on TV....
Date:  9 Apr 92 14:53:45 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

rs3596@thor.albany.edu (Robert B Scott) writes:


>>It is apparent that NASCAR doesn't plan to do anything to change Fords 
>dominance

>I heard that they are going to make the Birds change there roof starting it 
>Talladega

Winston Cup Scene reported this, saying that they are going to widen the
roof by about 3/8 inch on each side.  According to WCS, this will make the
car match the templates.  Apparantly, the car is narrower since there is
weather-stripping on production models that is simply not there on the race
models.  Widening the roof will give them a more perfect profile.  I don't
have my copy handy here at work, but I believe that it was Tim Brewer who
was quoted as saying "It won't make any real difference".

I'd say this isn't as bad as if the roof were being raised by 3/4 inch.
It's being widened by that much, though.  Any aerodynamics experts wanna
fire up there simulation models?

 -Steve
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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: F1 DESIGNERS
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:53:17 GMT

I would like to ask if anyone out there can tell me the designers,
aerodynamicists, and engineers for all of the F1 teams. Since I
don't get AUTOCOURSE, I can't be totally positive, but I think it has
a list of them. If anyone who has access to this knowledge would be 
so kind as to e-mail it to me (and/or post it over the net) I would be
very grateful. If and when this is posted, any changes that have occurred
over the summer would be welcomed. Thanks in advance!

						TOBY PADFIELD

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From: b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Re: Honda out of F1 in '94??
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:23:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.164637.14959@maths.tcd.ie>, madmax@maths.tcd.ie (Mark Taylor) writes...
>In <johnl.222z@amiganet.chi.il.us> johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey) writes:
> 
>>In article <1992Apr10.161720.23258@bnr.ca>, Tim Dudley writes:
>>>I heard a rumor today from a normally reliable source that Honda
>>>has decided to pull out of F1 in '94.  Has anybody heard anything 
>>>about this?  Possibility is that the >
> 
> 
>Sounds likely, there has been a lot of talk of BMW powering
>McLaren's in '94. One should notice that BMW are designing 
>the engine for the McLaren road-car, not Honda! It is
>a 6.0 litre V12. BM also introduced recently two new V8's for their
>own road-cars, a 4.0, 3.0. The 3l is said to be much smoother
>and powerful than the present V6 incumbent. I would expect
>Honda to get out soon, just like Lancia did last year. As their
>spokesman said ' it is news if you lose, and just normal
>if you win'. Hence been beaten by Renault this year 
>could do a lot of damage to their reputation built up over
>the last few years. 
> 
>Mark
> 
>--
Do you think the death of Soichiro Honda has anything to do with this ?
I remember him being a big motorsport fan.

George.

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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: FYI - Indy Standings
Organization: NCSU Project Eos
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:34:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.145613.23709@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu 
(Lothar Dahlmeyer) writes:
>11.	Mario Andretti			Lola-Cosworth		  6
>11.	Michael Andretti		Lola-Cosworth		  6
>11. 	Jim Vasser			Lola-Chevy		  6
>14. 	Eric Bachelart			Lola-Cosworth		  5

Oops!  Thanks for reminding me that I forgot to give Michael a point for the
pole at Long Beach....





--
Jay C. Smith
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From: atl20598@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ana Teresa Lacombe)
Subject: F1 - gif files
Summary: asking for information about gif files related to F1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:09:38 GMT

Does anybody know where I can get gif or pcx files related to F1 via ftp?
If so, please send me an e-mail or post it here as there may be other people
interested in this information...
Thanks in advance,

Ana
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From: b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Re: SHITTY TOPICS
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:05:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.173047.16739@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
 tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield) 
 came down from the mountaintop and spoke unto the
 masses:

>I would like to formally declare the subjects of water injection, 
>the power requirements for William's reactive suspension, Who is faster than
>whom among the driver's, and why Shell, Agip, Elf, et al, have toxic fuels
>for there respective teams, as off limits, due to the fact that these four
>topics are quite boring!!!!! Doesn't anybody out there have anything else
>better to talk about? As for all of the flames I am about to receive, all
>I can say is I am tired of these being the only topics of discussion.
> 
>Well, gotta go,
>Sincerely,
>TOBY PADFIELD
> 

Hey I got an idea, let's start on flame war against Toby Padfield, perhaps,
he would find that more interesting and you know I was just going to E-mail 
that list of F1 designers to you, but, on second that *I* find that kind
of stuff boring and am declaring it of limits to *you*.

George.
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Terminology questions
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:05:07 GMT
Reply-To: Leo Smith <shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Organization: Gated to News by demon.co.uk

Chicanery:

        from the french chicane, to pursue at law, to quibble
        wrangle. Finally Legal trickery, pettifogging the use of
        subterfuge and trickery!

I suppose that a chicane is a twisty and (quasi) legal way of
achieving the desired result!

Armco:
        That double kinked steel barrier, desgined to deflect and
        absorb impact. I seem to remember when first introduced in
        the 60's there was a cdhice between that and chain link
        fencing. Chain link is better at slowing down cars without
        bouncing them back, but more expensive. Armco is good with
        saloon cars on roads because it actally slices into the
        bodywork a little and really drags the car to a halt.

Catch fences are chain link fences across the line of travel:  You
hit them one after another and have to drag the posts and fdences
with you; good if not enough space for...

Gravel traps - probably the best way of slowing down an out of control
car, and making sure that the idiot doesn't get back into the race.
Ever tried wading through gravel?

Hmm perhaps they could use water ponds as well- or would the cars
just aquaplane?

Rumble strips are ridged kerbing at the edge of the road on the
corners, designed to be a bit less harsh than raised kerbing (they
allow the car to ride up over them, not bounce back) but still make
sure that no-one uses them as full throttle road (except Mansell et
all,:-)

I have seen tire walls - pretty good to back up gravel run offs where
there is a wall at the end.

Cornfields are quite good - there is one on the outside at Snetterton
UK !
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Date: Thu,  9 Apr 1992 11:50:17 -0400 
From: "Carl D. Lovejoy" <cl3d+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Full Course Yellows in F1 Was Re: Mclaren Throttle/Ron Dennis

In article <1992Apr7.182613.26802@sequent.com> (rec.autos.sport), dafuller@sequ
ent.com writes:
> Don't forget that one of the reasons the IndyCars go full course quickly
> is due to the Andretti axis, where Mario plowed into a safety truck and
> Micheal crashed soon thereafter.  Even though the yellow was displayed and
> the corner workers motioning INSIDE, INSIDE.  Fittipaldi, Sullivan, et al
> didn't seem to have any problems negotiating the incident; so now IndyCar
> goes full course at the drop of a hat.

    I saw this incident live and simply could not believe my eyes.  No
wonder Mario always seems to be jinxed. 
     However I seem to recall another incedent were Mario had an attack
of Brain lock.  I forget the race but it was a street course and was two
years ago.  A BRIGHT RED Alfa had parked along the front straight up
against the wall about in the middle of the straight.  It had been there
for more then a few laps and the courner workers had waved a caution for
6 or so laps.  They stopped waving eventually thinking that the drivers
could now deduce that this DNF was now part of the course and not have
to be continuously reminded of its presence.  Mario however could not do
this like all of the other drivers and while trying to do his best
Mansell dicing, slipping, and slidding passing manuvuer of some back
marker on the straight he managed to completely shear off half of his
car trying to drive up and over the Alfa.  It was really quite
spectacular, and just another example of how Mario has serious mental
lapses during a race.  Much like the tag team with Micheal and the
Truck. 

Carl
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