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From: saj31052@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scotty A Johnson)
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:52:52 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:


>The Emplant board is very nice in concept. Noone has one working yet, and it
>still needs the Mac ROM's. I wonder how Amiga users would feel if people
>were to start cloning the A4000.

I am an Amiga user, and I would be delighted if a new company began
cloning the Amiga.  I cannot think of a single negative effect that this
increase in competition would have.

Sheesh!  You fellows argue as if you own stock in the individual companys,
and not the computers.  We have all purchased nice machines, and now it
appears as if the Amiga can, with emulation, perform most of the tasks
of BOTH Mac and Amiga machines.  Does this mean that Macs are doomed?
Hardly!  This just means that there i now a greater demand for Mac software,
it will undoubtedly increase your own productivity!

Make sense?

Oh well...

[RESUME SQUABBLING]

Scotty AJ 

>Philip McDunnough
>University of Toronto
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian T Cheek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: EMPLANT vs. QUADRA Price
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:50:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sf0jj5i00iUz87ghhK
Organization: Misc. student, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

It's funny to see people compare the price of an A4000+EMPLANT with a
Quadra.  The Amiga configuration might be cheaper, so might the Quadra.

You forget one thing; how much is a Quadra system that emulates an Amiga?

Waiting...

-Brian :)
From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The piracy argument to end all arguments....
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 17:06:42 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:

> I may have tuned in late to this thread, but is someone here seriously
> trying to defend stealing from the developers who bring you great things
> for your Amiga?

I don't think anyone would defent piracy. But it is explainable. It was 
a very good article about it in Datav{rlden yesterday. The reasons of 
piracy comes down to a few points.

* High prices.
* You can use it without documentation or the manuals are just of no 
  help.
* Copy protection is made in the wrong way.

The higher the prices are the more work is it likley to be put into 
cracking a certain software. Take AutoCAD or Ventura, they cost about 
as much as a japanese car. That makes it very interesting to crack the 
protection.

Bad manuals are also a reason to piracy. If you don't get more when you 
buy it compared to what you get with a piraced version you are more 
likley to get an illegal copy. Infocom was good on this, there you got 
a lot of extras. Not just a simple box, one disk and a sheet of paper.

Nowdays copy protection are mainly based on loading or on the 
word-from-manual. This is easy to crack, you just fint the test and 
remove it. Instead it should be something like in Midwinter, where the 
novella and other extras included gives you information that is needed 
to play the game successfully.


***       REALLY NICE SIG I THINK     ***
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      DO 42 I=1,4711
         WRITE(*,*) 'WHO NEEDS C ANYWAY?'
42    CONTINUE
      STOP
      END
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From: torban@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Torban Bennett)
Subject: Re: Asteroid Ideas
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:14:18 GMT

WARNING: This post belongs in c.s.a.games  Email me to teach me how to use
follow ups.  (I can't seem to find it as one of the option, when I'm doing
an article :(

fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:

>In article <1992Nov9.015136.136@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>>Ive just finished an open-ended asteroids clone, but find that I still have

>Cool! Hopefully it will outdo the current Asteroids clone (sometimes crashes)
>and Lemmingoids (too easy).

>>a lot of cpu time left over, so I was trying to think of things to add....
>>Does anyone remember some of the old vector arcade games?  There was one
>>where two people could play at once that had some nice extra features, but
>>I dont remember what they were...  
>>Right now, the program has:
>>One or two player option (simultaneously)
>>Player shields (dont know if I like this, though... may be an option instead of
>>hyperspace...)

[lots of GOOD ideas deleted - sorry]

The PD version I got on a cover disk, Hemmeroids, was quite a faithful (and
stable) clone.  I really would like something like blasteroids, or
stellaryx.  The asteroids basic theme, but expanded upon.  These two games
promised much, but in the end just didn't work :( 

I aggree with Francis, Lemmingoid's was great (love those samples!) but was 
let down by being just too easy.

Good luck, and please make it ftp'able when you're done!
(Need a beta tester?)

>>mike seifert, spewer

>Francis

Torban Bennett - Net lurker at large    torban@murdoch.edu.au
Western Australia.
From: griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:55:37 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno) writes:

>  Why do more women in office/clerical situations use computers as
>opposed to their male counterparts?  And they're not necessarily the
>purchasers?

Judging from our (GM's) female engineers, secretaries, and clerks, it's 
because they can't spell and we're hoping they'll use spell checkers.

Go ahead and flame away.  I've got to spend the next 2 days writing C++,
so you can't make me any more upset.

-- 
Dan Griffin                    "You stand there with your fixed expression, 
griffin@egr.msu.edu             casting doubt on all I have to say..."
  The true test of Clinton's devotion to the American people will be if he 
  gets rid of the import tariff on German wine!
From: L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: Mon,  9 Nov 92 18:48:46 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>About my t7ypiung [I think I'll leave that typoing stand.....] 

>I grew up in a time and place where girls were given the career directions
>of becoming nurses, secretaries, teachers, or homemakers.  Those were NOT
>things I wanted to do -- I wanted to design starship engines.....  Since it
>was pretty apparent that I wasn't fo ] going [line noise.... sigh] going to
>burn my brain out the way a lot of my female classmates learned, it was
>decided arbitrarily by my contemporaries in public school that I obviously
>wasn't female.  

	Now that's a sad conclusion.  How many others did you know that
bore similar feelings about being minorities in a male-dominated world?

>As for my own view of the universe, it was very apparent to me that the
>best way to avoid being pitched in a typing pool was to OBVIOUSLY AND
>OSTENTACIOUSLY be completely and utterly awful at typing and any other sort
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	It's "Ostentatious" - which means your action was either boastful
or flamboyant.. :-) (sorry, couldn't resist!)

>of secretarial pool work.  Therefore, my typing was, is, and forever will
>be execrable.  Let somebody who LIKES being a secretary and is socially
>acceptable do the typing. [actually believe it or not, in a lot of
>companies one reason why executives don't use computers is because that's
>seen as doing clerical work, and clerical work is for low status clerical
>personnel in  that view of the  universe.  My admitted biased view of the
>universe, anyone who who likes being in the clerical pool, is welcome to
>it.  The places I worked, final copy was always done by clerk-typists,and
>there were definite biases against the professional staff [e.g., me.....]
>typing things.
 
>One other factor -- one of the usual assumptions operating was that anyone
>answering a phone who had a female voice was a clerical staff person.  It
>gets -real- tiresome to continually have to deal with this.  I'm sad to say
>that I'm just as guilty myself of the assumption -- all that cultural crap
>is pernicious.  And every time I get reminded about the situation, I get
>cranky..

>Anyway, the reason that I don't put polished prose up on the boards, is
>several fold -- partly a matter of attention span/absent-mindedness, and
>not a little, "perfect typing is for Stepford Wives...."

	So you're like the "absent-minded professor?" :-)

Cheers,

--Louis
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: EMPLANT vs. QUADRA Price
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:01:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.054353.18497@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> clueless@bradley.edu (Mark Kristie) writes:
>Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>: In article <sf0jj5i00iUz87ghhK@andrew.cmu.edu> bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian T Cheek) writes:
>: >It's funny to see people compare the price of an A4000+EMPLANT with a
>: >Quadra.  The Amiga configuration might be cheaper, so might the Quadra.
>: >
>: >You forget one thing; how much is a Quadra system that emulates an Amiga?
>: 
>:    The price of the Quadra plus $300.
>: 
>: >-Brian :)
>: | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>
>WHAAAT?

He meant the $300 to be the cost of an AMiga500.  Of course, having a 
Quadra + A5000 isn't nearly as good as an A4000+EMPLANT, but it was humerous at 
least.
-Dan
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: **** A1200 Info **** (200+ lines)
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:37:16 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

James Coulter (James_Coulter@panam.wimsey.bc.ca) wrote:
> 
> Fighter Duel Pro(flight sim) uses 640x400x16(looks like overscan too). 
> Runs at 24 frames/second or 28 with true fast ram.  Should be really nice
> on an AGA machine.

This is the game I meaned - however, I'm quite sure that it onbly uses
8 colors, not 16.

-- 
Jarkko Lindblad         | Those people who tell you not to
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi |   take chances
------------------------| they are all missing on what life is about
This space if for sale  |                        - Metallica
From: x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:04:49 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov11.074053.8810@utstat.uucp>, philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
> In article <1992Nov10.205946.14263@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
> 
> [ ]
        >>
>>The funny thing is that the only PC owners who post regularly are folks who
 >>have sold their Amigas and bought Clones.  Why is this?  Are you all afraid
>>that maybe you didn't make the right decision?
>

	Untrue, I sold my Amiga and bought a clone but that doesn't mean
I am no longer interested in what is going on in the Amiga world.  One
day, whenI have more money, I intend to get an Amiga (Amiga 5000 by then).
I still like Amigas, I do post tings against the Amiga when I hear some
kid boasting that his Amiga 500 can run circles around an IBM.  I jyust
can't resist the urge to inform the user that user.


  
> [ ]
> 
> Philip
> philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: mojo@diku.dk (Morten J|hnk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Please, CBM.. Make a new machine
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:56:03 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

Not half a month ago I bought a GVP A530 with 8 Megs of RAM and a
BIIIG harddrive. In other words - I spent a great deal of money
on expanding my A500+, and to make it a more or less `up-to-date`
machine.
Now C= have launched A4000 and A1200 with the new (AGA) chipset.
I cant hook my A530 up to an A1200 (of course), so if i want to
use all these new modes, i have to buy an A1200 and run at half
the speed of what i`m now getting used to, or spend a lot of money
(that I don`t have) on an A4000. And still I would have my A530
standing collecting dust on my desk.
That`s why i have a little suggestion for CBM:

Why don`t you make a machine with the new chipset, and with a
normal expansion port. I know that the normal expansion port is
only 16 bit wide, but it would be nice anyway. You could even
make a version with no processor at all ! (What a scoop) I`m
sure that i`m not the only one with an accellerator for A500/2000
that would like to have AGA, and I`m also sure that I`m not the
only one of these, who`s willing to spend some less than the price
of an A1200 to get AGA.
It would be easy to design this `thing`: Just take an A1200, remove
the processor, remove the harddisk controller, put in the usual 16-bit
expansion port and.. voila.
And to please me, you could make the keyboard detachable, but that`s
not the main point here. 

If anybody have some comments to this please leave a message here,
or send E-mail to: mojo@freja.diku.dk

(Please don`t send any comments on my grammatical misunderstandings 
and spelling errors in this letter - my english is not perfect)

					Greetings
					Morten Joehnk.

(Morten Joehnk - a danish boy studying Computer Science in Copenhagen)
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From: L-Bueno@cup.portal.com (Louis Alberto Bueno)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the A3000 out of production?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:41:56 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu writes:
>Anyone seen the latest AmigaWorld?  Creative Computers has an ad which state
>that they have bought the remaining A3000 stock.  The prices are $1399 for
>the 25-52 and either $1099 or $1199 for the 16-40.  The ad looks like it was
>written by -MB- as it contains a chart showing how the A3000 is superior to
>the A4000.  This same tactic was once used by GVP to show that their 030 boa
>in an A2000 was superior to the A3000.
 
	HAHAHAH! (wipin' tears from muh eyes) - Yes, as soon as I read this
post here, I went to the Amiga World copy here at the office and saw
exactly what you're talking about... it's a feature comparison chart that
demonstrates that without a doubt, the A3000 is superior to the A4000
in value and features!
 
	My favorite one:
 
A2000 - Flickers in interlace
 
A2000 w/accelerator - Flickers in interlace
 
A4000 - *EMULATES* Flicker Fixer (emphasis added)
 
A3000 - Has Flicker Fixer *BUILT IN* (emphasis added)
 
Issa joke, fellas, truly.. :-)
 
>Does this mean that the A4000/030 is not too far from being released?
 
	Strong chance at that, wouldn't you say?
 
>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
 
--Louis
L-Bueno@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Is the A3000 out of production?
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:54:24 GMT

Anyone seen the latest AmigaWorld?  Creative Computers has an ad which states
that they have bought the remaining A3000 stock.  The prices are $1399 for 
the 25-52 and either $1099 or $1199 for the 16-40.  The ad looks like it was
written by -MB- as it contains a chart showing how the A3000 is superior to
the A4000.  This same tactic was once used by GVP to show that their 030 board
in an A2000 was superior to the A3000.

Does this mean that the A4000/030 is not too far from being released?

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 12 Nov 1992 22:02:41 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>> 	Yeah, I think you do need to explain.  I bought a PC last year and
'>>    I'm interested in computers (I had an A500 before that and an Apple IIe
'>>    before my A500).  Why does buying a PC mean you aren't interested in
'>>    computers?  This sounds like more Amiga elitism crap to me.  Bash the
'>>    competition along with the people that use it.
'>
'>Well, just compair the normal user and you will se the difference.
'>The average Amigauser is somewhat a hacker while the average cloneuser 
'>runs NerdPerfect under Windows and knows about nothing about how the 
'>machine works.
'>Amiga is basicly the best bobby and hack machine there is around while 
'>the PC mainly belongs in offices and such.

         I don't think this is neccessarily true.  Any computer is what you
   make of it.  I bought my PC for home/hobby use, not spreadsheets and
   databases.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu


'>"Piracy is theft." / FAST
'>"Property is theft." / Pierre Proudhon
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Distribution: world
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:20:09 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

re article by neutronium-head seifert [not to be compared with anything
astronomical that's appealing....]:  If "breast = dollars" in advertising,
then why did GM, Ford, and Chrysler ditch that type of advertising?!  Why
are here book covers that DON'T have bimboes in bikinis on them?  Why are
the ads in Video Toaster User showing computer and video equipment without
ANY organic bodies?!!   


-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news. (was Re: Amiga 1200)
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 13:41:48 GMT

In article <55860@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@quincy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>
>	Obligatory Amiga comment:  I wish I had an IFF image of Bush
>so I could morph him into something resembling honest.

  Our resident Amiga graphics wiz here at ZDS did a morph of 
Bush -> Clinton -> Perot -> Bush...  It looked pretty funny.

  Unfortunatly he did it on a PC and its not IFF.  I dont think he
owns a Amiga morphing program yet.

  Dont ask me for it.  I dont have it.

>| Dan Barrett -- Dept of Computer Science, Lederle Graduate Research Center |

-- 
  ___  ___    Jeff Easton             easton@zds-oem.zds.com
 (__  (__     Zenith Data Systems     j.easton@mi04.zds.com
 ___) ___)    Saint Joseph, Mich.     easton@andrews.edu
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From: jayson@tbag.tscs.com (Jayson Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: re: ##### A1200 RELEASED NOVEMBER #####
Date: 9 Nov 92 02:57:07 EST
Organization: Tampa Bay Amiga Group

 
1 Nov 92 20:26:43 EDT Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
 
>The "problem" with 68E030 is that:
>
>- 16 MB might -seem- like a lot -- until you trying doing work with e.g.
>300 dpi 8 1/2 X 11 scanned images, which won't FIT in 16 MB.  And without
>VM, there's no way of directly dealing with RAM-hungry graphics and
>animation and publishing and even sound apps at high data quantization.
 
The  EC030  has  a  4 gigabyte address space just like the standard 030.  I
think  maybe  you  ment  to  say  "68EC020" which has a 16MB direct address
space.   If  you  need  to work with image files that are 16MB+ then by all
means  buy  an A3000 and plug in a PP&S 64MB memory board.  Or buy an A2000
and  plug in one of the hi-end 040 accelerators that can take 32 or 64MB on
it.   No  one  doing  hi-end  image processing should be looking at low-end
systems.   However,  an A1200 with an accelerator will easily go over 16MB.
When can you get an accelerator for the A1200?  That's the problem.  If you
need  lots of memory now (as in >16MB) then buy an A2000/A3000/A4000, build
it up and be done with it.  If you can't afford the high-end, well, welcome
to  the  crowd.   (OK,  I  do have an A3000 but I had to borrow most of the
cost:  $2600 on educ discount last year).  A3000/25's for $1500?  Jeez, get
 'em while there're hot!  They even have SCSI interfaces built right in:)
 
 Jay Phillips * Tampa Florida
 Amiga 3000 25Mhz/105HD/10MB
 USENET: tbag!jayson@tscs.com

--- Via UCI v1.02 (C-Net Amiga)

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From: ins739l@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang)
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:40:54 GMT

I saw the previous article in misc and thought it would be better in .
advocacy as their is speculation about the Amiga 4000 with 68030 processor.
Apoligies in advance as I don't know how to quote and post to another 
newsgroup yet. 

I hope this new machine comes in at about the same price as the A3000..
I'm saving my pennies now... :-)

Regards

William

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Re: Word Processors for Amiga & IBM.
Organization: City University, London
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:31:41 GMT

In article <69186@cup.portal.com> Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com writes:
>>>NOOOOoooOOOOO!  You'd better not compare Ami Pro 3.0 or Word for Windows 2.0
>>>to an Amiga word processor - then you'd have _nothing_ to post about.
>>
>>Have you actually used FinalCopy II?  I would choose that over WP any day.
>>I've also used Word for Windows at work and I can't say it is any more
>>superior to FinalCopy.  It sure as hell doesn't have the flexiability of
>>FinalCopy's ARexx interface.
>
>You obviously never need to generate documents with:
>   *  Footnotes
>   *  Tables
>   *  Table of Contents/Figures/Tables
>   *  Indices
>
>If you need any of these features on an Amiga WP, you're S.O.L.  You've
>got to go to TeX (a very nice package, but NOT a word-procesor).
>
>Because of this, I never do serious (>2 pages) documents on the Amiga.
>I hope someday one of the Amiga WPs will do these, but in the meantime,
>I keep booting up AMax.

Ahem. I have just sent off for my (actually my church's) copy of
Wordworth2. It does just about everything you need (according to
the reviews, I have not got mine yet). It can import _and_ export
files in any format including rtf, wp, iff, prowrite etc etc. It
has the stuff you mentioned above. Also wrap around curved graphics,
comes with 17 genuine Agfa Compugraphic fonts, can do colour fonts
(can any PC do colour fonts?), hotlinks (can PCs do hotlinks?),
etc etc. Anyway get it for yourself. I paid #59 pounds for mine.

>Lee      Lee_Robert_Willis@cup.portal.com


--
Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)
Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
From: janp@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Jan-Pieter Tevel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: 1200 PRICE - WAUW
Summary: A1200
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:55:01 GMT

According to the German Amiga Magazine the price of the A1200 will
be around DM 900. If this is true, it will be a major seller.

Jan-Pieter
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