HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Fave Male Characters Update
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:53:49 GMT
Reply-To: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: nova@sleepy.cc.utexas.edu

Here's an update:

First place so far is a three-way tie between...

     Strong Guy (Guido) of X-Factor 

                 and

     John Constantine!

		 and

     Gambit of the X-Men (Blue Team)!

Right behind them are a bunch of people, so send in your votes.  Who do _you_ 
think is the best man in comics?  Like I said, I take multiple candidates.  
(But only one vote per candidate!  And you know who you are, K.R!! :>)

__NOVA__
_______________________________________________________________________________

"Why are you mumbling?"
"Because I've grown fangs, and if I open my mouth too wide, you'll see them."
		--SM 2099
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: cerebus 162 - the clinician
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:03:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BvuxqL.27p
Distribution: usa
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

kieran@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (kieran) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.050108.25604@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> aoki@erewhon.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Paul M. Aoki) writes:
>>Hey!  Blossom isn't the waitress from Dino's pub with a dye-job and
>>a fake-o Jaka-type accent, is she?

>    No, but did you notice all the sparkles around when Roach finally
>succumbs to the temptations of the flesh?  This must be the result of
>Cerebus losing the chess game, as was all of the other suddenly resolved
>conflicts.

Then again, it might just be the farnsy wallpaper...

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"We begin by criticizing ourselves and end by criticizing others."
	-- Suenteus Po, Cerebus 161
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:51:01 GMT
Subject: Re: FLAME: Liefeld Art(?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, John Hamilton Slye <jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> 
> On 05-Oct-92 in Re: FLAME: Liefeld Art(?)    
> user Doug Quarnstrom@hpfcso.F writes:
> >In rec.arts.comics.misc, John Hamilton Slye <jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >> 
> >> I studied art history in high school; and so when I see a person drawn,
> >> I like the subject to be in proportion! (NOTE: I don't like 20th century
> >> "art" either)
> > 
> >Perhaps if you had gone onto college art history you could avoid
> >making sweeping statements like, "I don't like 20th century art."
> 
>    Huh? Excuse me, but am I reading that someone is trying to show how
> ignorant I am based on an opinion? I took AP Art History in high school,
> it may not be a college class, but it's supposed to be representative of
> one. In that class, I did not see one piece of 20th century art that I
> liked. So I believe that this qualifies me to make a "sweeping
> statement" (which is only my opinion) that I don't like 20th century
> "art". (BTW when I'm referring to 20th century art, I mean the new "in"
> styles that occurred this century. Anything which is drawn clean and
> with a certain amount of realism and is true-to-form, I'm not including.)
> 
>     Sure there are people out there who like Picasso and Jackson Pollock
> (?sp), but I don't.

You are writing off a lot of Picasso's work that is "drawn clean and
with a certain amount of realism and is true-to-form."  Picasso
was a VERY accomplished draftsman, and he did some very nice
representational work.


> Whoever likes big white canvases painted "white",
> IMHO, is pretty wacked in the head. But these are just my opinions. Now,
> I'm not saying I don't like a certain amount of abstraction in art, my
> favorite group of artists is the Post-Impressionists. (Van Gogh is my
> favorite.)

Curious.  Van Gogh, while representational, is so untrue to 
the subtlety of color that I am amazed you like him.
> 
>     If you like 20th century art, fine, I don't.

I am just saying you are generalizing FAR too much.  The 20th
century has full representation from all artistic styles.

>    I can't believe that out of my entire post all you could flame me for
> was my opinion on 20th century art and the statement I made about Cable
> in the Marvel Swimsuit Issue. There were tastier things to flame me for
> in the post.

I wasn't flaming you.  If I was flaming you, I would have been much
more rude.


doug
From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: New Vertigo...
Date: 12 Oct 1992 23:06:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: bassclar

In article 18772@midway.uchicago.edu, lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) writes:
>If Martian Manhunter were to
>get a series after the American Secrets mini, I would like to see it
>done at Vertigo. Of course if they rescue Grimjack from limbo, it'd
>damn well better be over at Vertigo.

I'd like to see the Martian Manhunter continue in a series that springs
off the tone of this "American Secrets" series, which has been good
so far.  I'm glad to see someone doing something consistent with the 
excellent MM miniseries from a few years back that showed him that everything
he knew was wrong.  His "real" martian look (rendered memorably by
Mark Badger) has turned up too rarely since then in the Justice League titles.  


--James Langdell       jamesc@eng.sun.com
  Sun Microsystems     Mountain View, Calif.
From: zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:36:50 GMT

David VanDomelen writes
-->zeus@watserv writes:
-->[Incredibly long and rude flame omitted, but you can see it for yourself if  
you
-->have the stomach]
-->Heh.
-->     Gee, you're opinions regarding how good Cyberforce is carry *so* much 
-->weight now after that little diatribe.  Slinging mud on Netlurker doesn't 
-->really affect the validity of his points, but makes yours suspect by 
-->association with such immature actions.  This isn't politics (well, not 

*Netlurker* is the one who vicariously is putting down a book that he obviously  
didn't like - no problem with that.  But his *points* weren't *valid* because  
there weren't any in his comments.  Any points/reasons he might offer are  
always welcome, but comments such as, "this book is typical..." are not quite  
as eloquent as I would like them to be.


-->totally).  You're not backing Cyberforce for some high office that will  
affect 
-->your very life.  Your future does not depend on Cyberforce being hailed by  
all 
-->as a masterpiece of the genre...it could be roundly condemned and it  
wouldn't 
-->affect you or even cancel the book (it's only a 3 issue LS, after all).  So 
-->there is no need to get so personal and insulting.  Netlurker tried to think 
-->about his comments before he made them...did you?

Believe it or not.  I did. :)  And no, I don't hail Cyberforce at the  
definitive masterpiece of its genre (Marvelstyle - shoot 'em up), but I  
throughly enjoyed this book.  And I would like to count myself as a very  
critical observer - which qualifies me to judge Friedman's comments to be  
irrelevant.  Doesn't mean I am right - but it means I have the right to voice  
my opinion.  Isn't that what its all about.
  

-->     Dave Van Domelen, yes this was a flame, but hopefully a constructive  
one

No such thing.

Chris
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PAD. Is it really him?
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:59:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct13.175902.12138
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington

In article <1992Oct13.165440.22277@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>In article <67633@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
>>I feel a song coming on:
>
>Oh, great.  *NOW* you've gone and done it.  Next thing you know
>Moriarty will be up on the table doing his Roddy McDowell impression
>and singing "The Seven Deadly Virtues."  Really, some people have no
>sense of self-restraint at all. . .

	Hmmmm.....guess none of you have ever seen/heard me belting out
old Broadway ballads at the top of my lungs....
	
	I have often walked through this store before...


-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
From: jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: PAD Is it really him?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:38:54 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Thank you to all eight answerers to my (stupid) question about the
identity of a certain PAD.

Sheesh, ask a silly question.  Well, at least i know not to ask
stupid questions anymore.  (And if you believe that, I have some real
estate in Cutler Ridge to sell you.)


-- 
DE LA COVA,JORGE
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jd53
Internet: jd53@prism.gatech.edu
From: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DC: SECRET ORIGINS OF SUPER-VILLAINS (was Re: BATMAN: Two Face TAS...)
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:53:55 GMT
Organization: Miskatonic U. Computer Operations & User Services

carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:

>Actually, my all-time favorite Two-Face story came from a late-70's "Secret
>Origins of Super Villains" normal-size comic ... that portrayed Two-Face as 
>the hero of the story. 

This was "Double Take" in DC SUPER-STARS #14, subtitled "SECRET ORIGINS OF
SUPER-VILLAINS".

>There's also a fine Dr. Light origin and a canonical pre-crisis Grodd origin.
>The interesting thing is that in it, Grodd fought Green Lantern, not the 
>flash, and Dr. Light first fought Katar Hol (before he was Hawkman).

Well, the Grodd/GL story was just OK.  It tried to tie two previously
unattached pieces of continuity together, and failed.  It claimed the gorillas
of Gorilla City had secretly tapped GL's ring to bring their city from the
planet Calor to Earth, as GL returned from Calor.  The problem is that GL
visited Calor in issue #1 of his own comic, cover-dated July-August 1960, while
the Flash met Grodd and Gorilla City in issue #106 of *his* comic, cover-dated
April-May 1959, almost a year before the time of the proposed retcon.

I didn't care for the Dr. Light/Hawkman story at all.  Some years later, DC's
official stance was that that wasn't Katar Hol in the story but some other
"Hawkman" (i.e., a Thanagarian police officer).

>If anyone knows who wrote these stories, and what the actual name of the comic
>was, I'd be much obliged... it's one of those that got lost when I was seven
>and I've always wanted to find it again someday.

The Grodd story was written by Bob Rozakis, Two-Face by Jack C. Harris, and Dr.
Light by Paul Kupperberg.

-- 
Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,

Chris Jarocha-Ernst			Rutgers University Computing Services
Internet: cje@gandalf.rutgers.edu       BITnet: JAROCHAERNST@ZODIAC
From: sherman@dione.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Wanted: Love & Rockets fans ("the comics book")
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:00:59 GMT
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys

In article <6029@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500topo@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Rabid Rat) writes:

[L&R]

>And: anybody knows where I can find the non-reprinted issues (13-28?)

Those are all reprinted, in the "Complete Love and Rockets" volumes
from Fantagraphics, volumes 5 through 9.



--
  Bill Sherman      S^1 `--> S^(2n+1) -->> CP^n     sherman@math.ucla.edu
     "Enter, o seeker of knowledge!" [pause]  "That's you, fathead!"
                  - Bugs Bunny
From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LNH: The new guy has arrived
Keywords: Sarcastic Lad
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:19:31 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

Hey there, Sarcastic Lad here. I just arrived at the `port and would
appreciate it if someone could pick me up to bring me to LNH HQ.

I've got my kid sidekick, Flatulence Lad, with me and we can't wait to
attend our first membership meeting, or better still, our first crack
at combat alongside our fellow LNHers.

<<Jeez, Flats, do you have to do that here?!?>>

Anyway, I hear we have a traitor in our midst. I'd like to offer my
detective skills and powers to the cause of flushing out this 
no-goodnik for the betterment of the LNH.

Well, gotta run, Flats needs his medicine.

Thanks for listening. See my post from 10/5 on my arrival. Would
love a response. See you at the Hall.

						Sarcastic Lad
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.typical
From: bobti@sco.COM (Bob Tinsman)
Subject: Anyone read Love & Rockets here?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:03:47 GMT
Summary: looking for non superhero fans
Keywords: Eightball Hate R. Crumb Julie Doucet Raw etc. etc.


If anyone is into non-superhero comics, it doesn't seem like it. If there
is another group that does these folks, lemme know. All these groups look
the same and cross post to each other. Although the non-superhero content
of my friendly neighborhood comix store is about 5%, which is depressing,
the non-superhero content of the net looks like about nil. Does that mean
all the other NSH (non superhero, to coin an acronym) fans like me are 
NCOL's(non computer oriented Luddites)?

Bob Tinsman, wandering around in the ozone of the newsgroups
From: v124jw4y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Siderman 2099 #2
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:09:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



Aaaah, yes...Siderman 2099, the only one of the 2099 titles I like so far!
In issue 2, Siderman puts new brickface on three (count 'em) THREE houses!
We get to see him use lots of nifty, high-tech siding gear, too.  Rumor has
it that a Suicide Squid crossover is in the works...seems the Squiddy One
thinks his HQ looks a little shoddy, and would like adamantium siding put
on...


                                             :)  --Ben
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: Heavy Metal (was: Re: Simon Bizley Question)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:25:53 GMT

In article <1bmg0uINN2m3@wilma.cs.widener.edu>, leichter@cs.widener.edu (Seth Leichter) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.050313.3271@urbana.mcd.mot.com> mbraun@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Matthew Braun) writes:
> >I was worried about them when National Lampoon went under.  It'll be
> >interesting to see if they change at all under Tundra's management.  Glad to
> >see that 'ol Tundra picked them up.
> 
> They already have changed.  The most rececnt issue had a Druuna story
> that was pretty heavily censored.  Many of the word balloons were over
> inflated to conceal various parts of the anatomy.  I recall one case
> where a balloon filled almost an entire panel, yet had only one word
> in it.  Under the balloon were parts of an unclothed individual.  I
> will be very disappointed if this is policy under Tundra.

Are you sure that panel wasn't censored in the original version?  Even
Eurocomics have their limits (if I remember correctly, that panel had a
character doing fellatio on another).

-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: terry@edsi.plexus.COM (Terry Dawson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Superman + Mxy = Watchmen?
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:57:26 GMT
Organization: Appleton Public Library - Appleton, WI

I've not been a regular Superman reader for about 25 years, but made an
impulse buy of Adventures of Superman 496, since Mr. Mxyzptlk was on the
cover.  There were some neat things and some bothersome things in the
issue.

The art on pages 11 and 12 was pretty much lifted from _Watchmen_,
especially the last 4 panels on page 12.  The line "What're you--a
comedian?" is pretty funny in this context.

The bothersome part was the way Luthor's hand and Superman's suit
repeatedly changed for no reason.  Maybe Mxy was doing it...
-- 
     Terry Dawson       | "Only connect!" | voice: (414) 832-6168
Appleton Public Library |                 |   fax: (414) 832-6422
  Appleton, WI 54911    |  -E.M. Forster  | terry@edsi.plexus.com
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Heavy Metal & censorship (was Re: Heavy Metal)
Date: 17 Oct 1992 02:58:40 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


 > Right, I have also got the French edition and it's much more
 > explicit. In one of
 > 
 >  the HM panels
 > they just cut an image in two and thus placing white space over an
 > erect you-kno
 > 
 > w-what. (It's
 > on the page where Druuna is raped on the altar by the mutant.) 

Well, all I can say is that I bought that issue of HEAVY METAL at a 7-11.  I
think Tundra doesn't want its material to be TOO explicit, or they will
have problems staying in the newstand market, which they probably feel is
a large part of their income.  I'm not saying that censoring stories is right,
but this is probably just the way it is in America.

There are other penises in the story, just no erect ones.  That's probably
a real big no-no, indicating "pornography" for sure.  As for the rest of it,
well, maybe since it's a "cartoon" they can get away with more.

It's funny, it's always the dicks they wanna censor.  The women they leave,
breasts bouncing, open you-know-whats and all.  Seems like they're censoring
it in such a way that the only people they're trying to avoid offending are
good honest Christian MEN... I mean, few Bible thumpers are going to complain
about those Druuna shots unless they're backed into a corner, right?  But
whip out a dick in the same panel, and there's Hell to pay.

I can understand why the publisher would do it, but it's still not really
right.  They could at least put an editorial page next to the contents
explaining what stories needed to be "toned down".

BTW, it's not EXACTLY Tundra that's publishing HEAVY METAL.  It says in the
credits it's put out by a company called "Metal Mammoth, Inc."  Sounds like
they've created a new division especially for the task.  Perhaps we should
take our complaints directly to them?
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LNH: On the subject of MUDS...
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:57:09 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

>     Hmmm...with all the talk about MUDS lately, here's a thought...
> A Legion of Net Heroes MUD!
>     Whadaya think?  Anybody out there willing to administer it?
>                                         --Marvel_Zombie Lad

	Errrr.  Well this is a topic of heavy discussion among us die
hard LNHers.  It is in the works.  Bug Netlurker about more details.  We
are going to "Force" him to help... (And he WILL won't he.) :)^10000
Well, anyhow, look for details coming up soon...

						wReam...

P.S.  Scav, Drizzt,DVANDOM,Crimson,Jef, and anyone else.
We probably ought to get a time when we can get together and work out the
details...  I know how to get on AFTERFIVE now...  (thanks SCAV!)
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: galleries and sigils
Summary: I stand by my misstatements.
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:58:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct9.215821.7681
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!

In article <1b30v5INNls9@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.022604.9583@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>)Here's something else to put in the annotation: That's an
>)anachronism. 
>
>	Sorry, no, it's not. At the beginning of the conversation
>Desire tells Despair that Dream is back. (I.e. out of the crystal
>sphere.) So that conversation takes place in the present, and not
>in a flashback. 

Perdon? I just checked issue #10, and Desire says nothing of the
kind. Ke does make a point of emphasizing that the new Vortex is
a *woman*. If Desire were talking about Rose, why would it be
important that Rose was a woman? Nothing in _Doll's_House_
indicated that this was significant (to Desire, anyway). On the
other hand, it was of great significance that Unity Kincaid was a
woman, since it meant that Desire could (by raping her) transfer
the Vorticity to a child which would be Dream's blood relative. I
think we have to conclude that Desire is talking about Unity,
which means that this conversation occurred before Desire raped
her, in 1932 (I checked issue #1 for the date).

Which means that Desire said "Big Brother, I'm watching you" at
least 16 years before 1984 was published. This is an anachronism;
but then, time seems to be more fluid for the Endless then for us
(viz. Delirium's punked-out look in Heroic Greece).

I invite corrections, of course...
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

#include <disclaimer.h>
From: GILBERT@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (GILBERT, S A)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Love and Rockets & big comix
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:44:25 GMT
Organization: Rice University

One of the things about Love & Rockets that I have always enjoyed most, and
that is unique to it is the over-sized black and white format. This format
allows both of the Bros. to really wallow in big old juicy puddles of black
ink on a large scale. Not since the days of Kitchen Sink's big Spirit and
Steve Canyon reprint books has there been a parallel to this action, due
mostly to the fact that all oversized books besides L&R died out and are
extinct as a species in today's market. AH! But I forgot: David Michelluzi's
Rubber Blanket has plenty of ink in a big size, and not just black, either.
Even the printing of this book (the drawing is so good it goes without saying)
is tremendous. Too bad it's an annual. If only RAW were back to full size.
The European graphic albums being serialized in Cheval Noir are great,
particularly Cosey's stuff, but it hurts my fingers when I think how fine they
must look in the original oversized European editions.
 
Bigger and blacker is better.
--S.A.G.
From: sewon@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (WAYNE WONG)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What's up with !mage??
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:45:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <4eoZ4o_00YV709hkVS@andrew.cmu.edu>, John Hamilton Slye <jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...
> 
>I believe Jim Lee would be able to easily go back to Marvel as they left
>on good terms. I don't know much about Larson's departure, so I don't

Do you have any details on Lee's departure?

>know if he'd go back to Marvel. If McFarlane went back he would be worse
>off then if he hadn't left. I don't believe Marvel would want Liefield

At a recent comic convention, a Marvel editor was asked about the prospects
of McFarlane returning to Marvel.  In jest, the editor replied that he
wouldn't touch Mcfarlane with a 10 foot pole.  I don't think his statement
was all that far from the truth.


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