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From: superc@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Mortification- new one
Date: 28 Sep 1992 10:04:18 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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Has anyone heard the new mortification. I have heard nocturnal and that's it. Is
it as good as their first one???

-- 
Shawn E. Chase             "Live like you'll die tomorrow,
SuperC@Matt.KSU.Edu         die knowing you'll live forever."
aka Tha Hood of Good        -Rich Mullins 'Live Right'
        "No sir, I didnt like it"- Mr. Horse                  
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From: tll6551@sigma.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool)
Subject: RE: Die Happy
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:20:00 GMT

steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner) writes...
>*sigh* just my luck. this "Die Happy" band sounds interesting tho'.
>want to tell me a little more about? lyrics even?

Die Happy is basically the guys that left Vengeance Rising. They aren't
just like VR any more - although some of the slower VR sounds come out in
their album. The only qualm I really had about the album was that I didn't
think the lead singer went with the band too well. He was a guy that they
just got to do the singing for them, not a permanent front-man. As far as
lyrics, they have some weird songs, some political songs, and some religious
songs. At least that's what I remember right now. 

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Subject: CCM from BMG?
From: babb@malibu.dst.battelle.org (Larry Babb (Dayton office))
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 13:48:07 GMT
Organization: Battelle Defense Systems and Technology

Hi -

I'm looking for contemporary Christian CD's from the BMG CD club.  Do 
you know of any besides Amy Grant's "Heart in Motion"?  Reply by 
email & I'll summarize if anyone's interested.

Thanks,

			- Larry Babb (lbabb@daytona.dst.battelle.org)
			  Battelle Memorial Institute
			  Dayton, OH

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - E41)
Subject: Re: Christian music makers (was Re: Awesome God)
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:33:53 GMT

 Logan speaks of some of the trials of preformance of Christian
music:

- Choosing songs 
	We had one medley we used several times, and we got comments from
	people who were tired of hearing it over and over, to my surprise.

Yeah Christians don't make a better audience than seculars IMO having
played for both.  BTW I think the kindest most understanding audience
(outside of mum an dad) is a nursing home! 

Per variety, if you are involving the audience, ie they are singing too,
I think you will find they like repeats a lot more so that they can come
up to speed on the music.  If they are sitting there, being entertained,
you are gonna have to work a lot harder and put on a show!

	We're also this year trying to do more than 'fake it' on some of
	our songs - like purchasing the music and each doing our own
	thought-out-in-advance part.  Anyone had any luck with this?

Even better, I think you will have luck with this :-) :-)


- Rehearsing effectively
	Any hints greatly appreciated.  We generally have pretty decent
	rehearsals, but too often chaos prevails.

Proper work attitude.  Music is work.  Fun work, but still work.  I guess
the first thing is a regular schedule, Mon. night 7:00 - 8:30 PM or what.
Pray before you start, pray when you finish, good for your soul and puts
definition into what you are doing.

Someone HAS to be the leader... in my case it is only me when I'm
playing solo :-)  :-)  I am very happy with a backup or follower
musical role...

There are more kinds of leaders in music than you can shake a stick at
and everybody in a musical performance team needs to know, understand,
and work within their role or as you said, chaos prevails.

On Wed. nights I play with a fellow who has his own notion
of beat and pitch, but he is a natural born praise singing leader,
the love of Jesus shines right through him and bit by bit I am making
progress at being able to support him instrumentally and vocally.

With the Calvary praise group, the real leader is the keyboard player,
she decides what key we will play what song in, tells us to add or delete
this or that chord, tells us when she wants more or less of this or that
kind of instrumental support, but the congregation would think the leader
is Doug, he stands in the middle of the group, starts and stops the songs
etc.

At home with my wife I defer to her since she has better pitch than I 
and so forth. 

And yet, I too am a leader.  The Spirit may pour a song into my head.
Or I may learn one from sheet music, put in the hours to get it just
so, and teach it to the group.
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Moshing
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:58:26 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Sep28.235915.10223@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner) writes:
> cwe34361@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (cE!) writes:
>> Someone presented this viewpoint to me, factual or otherwise:
>> 
>> > Ka-mosh (spelling uncertain) was an ancient pagan god whose 
Don't let Bob Larson hear this, he'll do a show on it.

I say we kill this thread right now.  The *&%^& Christian roomer mill is too
damn active and thrives on this crap!
From: urmvance@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Donna Godchaux -- Zoe(?)
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:18:52 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Sep30.194445.12880@kronos.arc.nasa.gov>, iba@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Wayne Iba) writes:
> 
> Years ago, after Keith and Donna left the Dead, and Keith died, I
> recall hearing that Donna became a christian and was singin in a band
> called Zoe (?).
> 
> I never did hear anything of theirs or anything about them since, but
> I liked Keith and Donna's solo album on round records and imagine that
> I might like Zoe's music.
> 
> Can anyone give me any information?  Opinions on similarities between
> later music and Keith & Donna/Dead music.  

This may or may not be related, but I think it's interesting. When I was on
Mission to Russia '91, I was listening to Radio Luxembourg while in Leningrad,
and I heard this fantastic song by someone called Zoe. The song was "Sunshine
On A Rainy Day" (I'm pretty sure). I have never seen the tape here in the
states since then :( I did at one time see a review of a tape by a Zoe, but
never a tape. I too would be extatic to find out anythinmore about them,
because that song was great!!!

						Richard Vance
						URMVANCE@memstvx1.memst.edu
From: Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Phil Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian ftp sites?
Date: 30 Sep 92 03:09:53 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Sep29.051821.11630@nuscc.nus.sg> sci40027@nusunix1.nus.sg (HO CHOO LIANG) writes:
>Hello!
>Are there any ftp sites which contain Christian stuff ?
>( it could be Christian music / shareware / anything ! )
>
>Thanks !
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  O   O 
>    l              Ho Choo Liang 
>  \===/
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Hi there! There is some information I found in reference to a Christian
network headed by Steve Winter of Canada that could help.. he is
Steve_Winter@f150.n227.z1.fidonet.org

Also, my magazine (Cephas) at one time had distribution in Singapore
through this one guy Rodney Ho... since then I lost contact with him and
thus have no way (or anyone) to send the magazines to help me get the Word
out all over the world.. can you help?

Phil

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From: asm@ee.mu.OZ.AU (andrew scott malone)
Subject: Re: Giant
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering - University of Melbourne 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:41:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.183910.27780@pony.Ingres.COM> paiz@Ingres.COM (A Rock-n-Roller, Spiritual, give me any day...) writes:
>Ok, i've got this nagging feeling that I had heard one of their songs about 3 
>years ago. The song that I'm thinking has the word dream in the chorus. If 
>someone could tell me whether it was a popular song or not I'd appreciate it. 
>*Note: it would have to be pretty popular, since I heard it in Latin America
>and only very popular songs get played.*

The song was called "I'll see you in my dreams", from 'Last of the Runaways'.

Must have been _really_ popular, 'cause it even got played a lot here in
  Australia!

>Also, if someone could comment on other records by Giant, i'd appreciate it
>too.

Afraid I haven't been able to find a copy of their second release. ('Time
  to Burn'?)
There were a couple of reviews of it in r.m.c many months ago.


Andrew
asm@ee.mu.oz.au
=B>
From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:08:44 GMT
Subject: Re: All Saved Freak Band
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson) writes:
> Sorry, the only copy whose whereabouts I know about now is mine, and I'm not  
> interested in selling.  Here is a case where i wish the copyright laws were  
> different.  When something has been out of print for years, was produced by  
> a defunct company, and no one has intentions of marketing it again, it would  
> be nice if it was legal to make tapes of it, just so more people can get to  
> hear it.  It isn't costing anyone sales of the album.  And it could  
> potentially lead to more people getting interested in the artist so that it  
> could eventually be marketed again.
> 
> I have no intention of breaking the copyright laws in this was, but I do  
> wish they were different.

That's what a MECHANICAL LICENSE is for. Even though a company goes belly-up,
the copyrights are property as sure as real-estate, and were undoubtedly 
assigned to *someone*. Quite often it is someone more well-known and still
active.

The first thing I'd do is call CCLI and see if they know about the defunct
company and who is holding the copyrights...Then write, or better yet, call
the owner.

I'd be amazed if you couldn't get the license.

I have done exactly this for other out-of-print stuff. I mail them a (modest)
check, they mail me a letter authorizing "x" copies of "y".

Bob "the choir director" Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Michael W on Regis and Kathy Lee
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:30:18 GMT

In article <107410206@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller) writes:
>In rec.music.christian, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>
>>                                                      ...Once upon a time 
>> a guy who looked like a pit bull could sing "Why should the devil have all 
>> the good music?" and Christians would actually listen.  But those days are 
>> long past.  It simply won't play on MTV or Regis and Kathy Lee.  And it 
>> won't play at the Crystal Cathedral either.  The primary goals of 
>> Christianity are to be materially successful, to be happy and blessed, 
>> and to leave a good looking corpse.  I think Smitty's got his priorities 
>> straight.
>
>Even read through my andy's-being-sarcastic (tm) filter ;-) I think you are
>overstating it a bit. I can think of several less-than-amy-grant-gorgeous CCM 
>artists who are doing rather well by just making (good?) music. Examples:
>
>Rich Mullins
>Charlie Peacock
>Sandi Patti
>Julie Miller
>Ashley Cleveland
>Scott Wesley Brown   <<< what a hunk!!!
>(the late) Mark Heard
>Margaret Becker      <<< OK, she's not exactly UGLY, but...

Yeah, you're right.  But have you noticed the way those artists are
packaged?  Here are some examples.  Bob Bennett is a fine Christian
songwriter who happens to be overweight.  So on the cover of his
latest album we see Bob photographed through a long telephoto lens.
The effect is that Bob seems to be about a hundred yards away from
the camera.  Don't want to show those pounds up close, do we?  The 
cover of Mark Heard's last album, "Satellite Sky," shows a blurry shot 
of Mark holding a mandolin.  Have a dorky looking goatee?  Don't
worry, we can fuzz it out. 

In contrast, Amy's and Michael's latest albums show their beautiful
mugs and three-day-growth stubbles (time to shave, Amy), right up 
close and personal.  Hey, I have no problems with Amy or Michael,
and it's surely not a sin to be beautiful.  But I *do* have a problem
with the way Christian labels pander to the world by emphasizing
image.  And I *do* see a change in the way Christian labels operate
today verses how they operated, say, fifteen years ago.  

My favorite CCM cover continues to be the cover of Larry Norman's
"Only Visiting This Planet" album.  Here we get a close up view of
Larry's bulldog face, zit scars and all.  That's what he looks
like.  That's the way God made him, and I'm glad that Larry felt
that he didn't need to hide it or apologize for it.  And I'd
like to tell Bob Bennet and the bozos at his label that he looks
just as good from five feet away as he does from a hundred feet.  

>Bob (I still listen to Stormin' Norman, zit-scars and all;-) Miller
>rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com

Andy Whitman
AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus, Ohio
att!cblpn!ajw  or
ajw@cblpn.att.com
From: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu (Noel Estabrook)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Legality of copying individual songs
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:19:24 GMT
Reply-To: noel@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (Noel Estabrook)
Organization: Michigan State University

>>Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
>>noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
>>Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
>>Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
>>
>>--
>>Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
>>noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
>>Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
>>Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
>
>Is there a reason why you want your .sig to appear twice, Noel?

You know how it is, double your pleasure, double your fun  :-)

No, seriously, once in a while I forget that my editor automatically puts
it in and I import the file myself.  Stupid mistake.  Sorry.

--
Noel Estabrook          |       Let us not merely do that which is our
noel@crs.cl.msu.edu   __|__	RIGHT, rather, let us desire to do that
Educational Technology  |	which IS right - Me
Michigan State Univ.    |				Romans 12:2
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: tcryal@iastate.edu (Tod C Ryal)
Subject: Re: Concert volume (was Re: Is a certain type of music bad?)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:20:17 GMT

In <yDa5RB2w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight) writes:

>bproden@ualr.edu writes:

>> In article <1992Oct1.202038.2515@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, anderson@cs.rose-hulman
    (stuff deleted)
 
>Yes, I've been to a few small concerts, and my ears hated them.  I can't 
>stand the noise level.  I've already got tinnitus (ringing in the ears), 
>but it's not from music.  I really don't know how I got it, I can 
>remember having since I was a child.  It's not too bad though, I can only 
>hear it when there is absolutely NO noise anywhere (even my computer is 
>blocking out the ringing right now!).  So, I will probably never go to 
>another concert.  Someone suggested earplugs, do they work well?

I had a pair when I was at Sonshine '92.  Without them it was so loud I just
couldn't hear the music.  With them in my friends and I got as close to the 
speaker stacks as we wanted (and were able to squeeze in with the rest of the
crowd) and it actually sounded pretty good.
>I'm 
>just so sensitive about my hearing, I don't want to make this tinnitus 
>any worse.  
> 
>Titan

Neither do I.

Tod
Matthew 6:33
From: meo@austin.ibm.com (Miles Bob)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: Die Happy
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:51:50 GMT
Reply-To: meo@austin.ibm.com (Miles Bob)
Organization: IBM AWD

tll6551@sigma.tamu.edu (Scholar and Fool) writes:
| their album. The only qualm I really had about the album was that I didn't
| think the lead singer went with the band too well. He was a guy that they
| just got to do the singing for them, not a permanent front-man. As far as

You and Doug Van Pelt.  Are you guys related or something?

I *like* the way the music and voice go together.

-Miles

then again, I always wanted to do a Dueling Chainsaw/Piccolo duet.
From: gt6851a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian King)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Metallica
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:46:35 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

>>Ok....whether people like it or not, in today's society the Republican party
is typically associated with both conservative values politically and morally.
When someone says "I'm a Republican" that can be taken to mean that they are
conservative in both respects...ie, that they would disagree both politically
and morally with what they considered liberal, politically or morally.


Thanks for the political discourse.  Unfortunately, that is not what was
requested.

What I HAVE requested from the beginning has yet to be answered.  For those 
of you out there who have a gripe with certain lyrical content on Metallica's
self-titled album, TELL US WHAT IT IS!

I don't care about tendencies of Southern Republicans -- I want SPECIFIC 
Passages, quoted from the album , that seem morally repugnant.  No one has
yet provided this.

>>I don't care too much about
trying to define everyone logically, I'd rather see them as they really are.


The Motto of the Flat Earth Society, no doubt.

bk

-- 
"in this day & age...music performed by humans?...Hum?! - Wilde Silas Tomkyn 
"and for the Catholic students... FISH!!!" - Galactic Cowboys
Brian King - Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta: gt6851a@prism.gatech.edu 

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: bhf35669@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brody H. Finney)
Subject: Re: Is a certain type of music bad?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:56:59 GMT

anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson) writes:


>We drove 110 miles to Champaign to Hear Randy Stonehill on Sept. 19.
>He was excellent, but they had a warmup band called "Farewell to Juliet" who  
>not only were poor musically (at least as projected through the sound system  
>that they used there) but were so loud that it was painful and there was no  
>chance of figuring out what they were singing about.  It was all I could do  
>to convince my family that it was worth enduring the pain and low-quality  
>music for a few more minutes so we could hear Randy.  After 1/2-hour of F to  
>J, it took a few minutes for my ears to recover enough to understand what  
>Stonehill was saying between the songs.  How can they call that ministry  
>when it is destroying the most valuable (IMHO) of our 5 senses?

I totally differ on this analysis of this show, particularly the condemnation
of Farewell to Juliet.  To say they were poor musically is completely
meaningless...what you mean is that you don't like their style of music.  
IMHO, F t J is rather proficient in their style of alternative rock (not
really my cup of tea, either).  Certainly their performance in Champaign was
not "poor," especially when compared to Stonehill.  I found his performance to
be dreadfully boring, and his sense of humor very annoying, but its just an
opinion.  My point is--don't blast bands you don't like simply because you
don't like them stylistically (I hope that is spelled right).  In good 
conscience, I could absolutely shred Amy Grant or Michale W. Smith, but my
criticism would be meaningless, since I can't stand pop music.  Similarly
it's unfair to blast any band musically simply because one does not like the
particular genre.

Oh, yeah...the noise.  First of all, I didn't think it was overly loud.  I
had no problems takling to my friends durnig the show, and unfortunately, was
able to hear every one of Stonehill's jokes afterward.  Granted it may have
been too loud considering the audience was there to see an acoustic musician,
but the show was scheduled to be outdoors, where problems of this sort are
easilly rectified-leave a balanket were you want to sit, and go somewhere else.
						   
I'm rapidly growing tired of this so I'll just disappear.  Once again, all
opinions, no facts.
From: rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu (Richard M. Bennema)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Michael Card concert schedule
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:10:10 GMT
Organization: Wheaton College, IL

In article <5OCT199208201142@zeus.tamu.edu> rjd4507@zeus.tamu.edu (Ray De Frese) writes:
>
>	I heard Michael Card was going to be in Texas soon, 
>	specifically the Dallas area. Does anyone have any
>	more information on this or on any other dates on
>	the tour? Thanks.

I went to the concert this Saturday at Wheaton, Il.  Fantastic!  If he's coming
to your area and you don't have tickets, get them.

At the concert, I got his schedule.  So here it is...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael Card & Friends Tour Itinerary
# Appearing with Chamber Orchestra
* Appearing with Phill Keaggy
Other additions will be noted below that specific date

September
	22 Bowling Green, Ky
	23 Champaign, Il
	24 Saint Louis, MO
	25 Indianapolis, IN
	26 Porland, OR Billy Graham Crusade

October
#*	 1 South Bend, IN
#*	 2 Detroit, MI
#*	 3 Chicago, IL
	 4 Minneapolis, MN
	 6 Omaha, NE
	 8 San Antonio, TX
#*	 9 Dallas, TX
 *	10 Waco, TX
 #	11 Baton Rouge, LA
	13 Oklahoma City, OK
	16 Kansas City, MO
#*	17 Denver, CO
	18 Colorado Springs, CO
 #	22 Washington, DC
 #	23 Philadelphia, PA
 #	24 Boston, MA

November
#*	12 Birmingham, AL
#*	13 Atlanta, GA
#*	14 Greenville, SC
 *	19 Akron, OH
	20 Dayton, OH
#*	21 Nashville, TN

December
 *	 4 Pittsburgh, PA
#*	 5 Lancaster, PA

All dates are subject to change.  Please call to confirm.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That 'all dates' bit is really true.  He said that his wife is expecting their
3rd child (it's a boy) soon so he might be taking some time off.  I think
that's the reason for the gap between Oct and Nov.

The other review of the concert (someone who went to the show in Indiana) was
very accurate.  Except his was without Keaggy and an Orchestra, so I'll tell
you about that.

Keaggy was a nut.  He considers himself to be the cartoon between reels in this
concert.  He came out and jammed for 45 minutes.  He sang 5 songs in that time.
The only problem is that this cut into Card's improv time (one of my favorite
parts) and maybe one scheduled song.  The reason the other person doesn't
remember hearing El Shaddi is because Card is only doing that with an
Orchestra.  It's a new string arrangement that his keyboardist wrote.  He sings
it toward the end of the concert.  This remake is eons better than the other
recent remake (MWS, Friends).

				Enjoy the show,

				Richard M. Bennema
--
rmbenn@david.wheaton.edu
Richard M. Bennema		"The brain can be seen as a complex machine,
Computer Science/Math		 like a gooey computer."
Wheaton College 			-Robert C. Solomon
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