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From: pfl@minerva.inesc.pt (Pedro Faria Lopes)
Subject: sound libraries for video production
Keywords: music, noises
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:23:17 GMT

Hello,
Does anyone out there has any recommendations for sound lybraries that
can be used in professional video production? What do you use?
What prices can be expected? How does copyrights work?
Thank you for any help and a Happy New Year to all.
Pedro
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Centro Multimedia
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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: Supermac's DigitalFilm Video capture and export board
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 06:55:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.171008.22140@westford.ccur.com> mark@westford.ccur.com (Mark Thompson) writes:

>At a resolution of 720 x 486 and a 10:1 compression ratio, thats 1.8 GB/minute.
>Thats right, I said GIGA bytes. This hardly sounds practical. 

That 720 X 486 figure is "internal" compression.  Input or output are only
NTSC (or PAL).

I am looking at DMI's flyer right now and they say for 10:1 compression that
you'll get 333 sec per GB or about 5.5 minutes.  EditMaster's least
compression is 15:1 which they claim is visually lossless and of 3/4 inch
Betacam quality.  15:1 will get you 500 sec per GB or 8.3 minutes.  That
would be nearly 17 minutes on a 2 Gig drive.  (Which you could easily afford
if you bought EditMaster rather than Digital Film and letting alone the 
cost difference between Mac and Amiga.) 

I *think* 25:1 is in the SVHS catagory and would suit many needs and with
it you'll get 833 sec per Gig or about 14 min.  That would be 7 minutes
on a 500 MB drive and is within reach of many people but I'll bet with
markets being developed for 2 Gig drives, the price of such beasts will
come down sharply. 

Also... DMI is heavy into optical drives and something tells me that they
have plans for Amiga, JPEG boards, optical drives, and video.  Did I see
where 600+ MB optical drives are already on the market?
 

>Also, the
>DMI Editmaster for the Amiga lists for $2500, half the price of the Fast
>Forward Video board and has similar capabilities. I for one would not compress
>less than 20:1. You will lose FAR more going to video output than you do
>in a 20:1 jpeg compression.

...you mean "more" than 20:1??

You could get an EditMaster and a Video Toaster for about $5000.  :)



                                     NCW
From: walter@psg.com (Walter Morales)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Looking for video system
Date: 27 Dec 92 19:29:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: psg.1992Dec27.192914.2965
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US


        I looking for to buy a film recorder (device to be connected
        in microcomputers to output in slide films) and the regular
        price mentioned by ads in computer magazines is around $14,995.
        The specification is:
        LFR Mark II
        by Lasergraphic Co.
 
        However, as all other products, in shops we can get it for prices
        well lower than the announced. I'd like to have from you, the
        name, adress, phone, and if possible the e-mail of any good shop
        where I can find this device for a good price.
 
        Thanks
 
                                Andre
 
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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: bberg@unlinfo.unl.edu (bruce berg)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: TBC use
Date: 30 Dec 1992 13:45:56 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu

Hi all, Happy Holidays!
   I'll try to make this short. I presently have a small, part time 
video production company. I presently do the entry level stuff, 
(weddings, annivs, ect.) but I would like to bump up a step into 
broadcast and business video. My goal is to be full time at some 
point, but one step at a time. My present system consists of two JVC 
6700U's, A GE CG-9825 SVHS camcorder, and an Amiga 500. What I want to
move up to is an Amiga 4000. Funds are very limited so I'm forced to 
be very carefull in what I get. My questions are;
1. Will a GVP G-Lock give me a broadcast quality output?
2. Will a DPS TBC I, II, or III also give me a Broadcast output?
3. If anyone uses the DPS TBC, can you tell me if it has an SVHS out?
4. Do you run the output from the genlock back into the TBC and then 
   out to the recording VCR?
   
   I know the term broadcast quality gets bandied about as carelessly 
as the term "I love you", So going by ad decription hasn't helped me 
much. This is probably a less than desirable method to build a full 
time production company, but it's what I have to do and I fully well 
expect to succeed or get stomped trying. Any help anyone can provide 
will be GREATLY appreciated! Thank you in advance.

Bruce Berg
MVP
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: etobhag@etnxb.eua.ericsson.se (Boerge Haga 2634)
Subject: Sync cable Sony->Panasonic
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AS, Oslo, Norway
Distribution: rec.video.production
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:37:29


I have a Sony TR-705 (PAL version of NTSC TR-81) camcorder and a
Panasonic FS-88 S-VHS VCR (I don't know what the NTSC version
of this one is called).

The camcorder has a pinhole called remote where one among other
things can connect a VCR to control the camcorder via the VCR.
However, I asked a salesman about this cable and he said it has
to be the same brand for this to work (Sony -> Sony, Panasonic ->
Panasonic).

Does anyone know if this is true?

What are the formats of the signals? Is it only the voltage levels,
or is anything else different as well?

Any ideas?

--
Boerge Haga
Ericsson AS, Norway
e-mail:etnbhag@etnxb.eua.ericsson.se
From: pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter Sj|str|m)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Re: Vivid-24 (was Re: Supermac's DigitalFilm... )
Keywords: EditMaster...
Date: 28 Dec 92 23:36:09 GMT
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd

In <1hnksmINNqac@gap.caltech.edu> andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes:

>	It can't.  Vivid is one of the biggest hype jobs in the Amiga

	Naaah... :)

>other than being dog-slow.  It's basically a TMS34020 with a
>couple of its math coprocessors (up to four) on one PC-AT expansion
>board and some VRAM and SRAM.

	8MB VRAM and 16MB DRAM I think. But the bus is Zorro-III, which
outperforms EISA and Microchannel. Also it has a local bus to the Digital
Editmaster card (30 fps 700*550 24bit framegrabbing to HD).

>or Inventor to work with.  Or for that matter, any released
>software.

	The Amiga graphics card market awaits RTG in the OS. This is a
year away or more (guessing). Until then, prices are high and support scarse.
I can include a rumour here that Real 3D v2.0 (hot!) is being written
to run on the Vivid-24.

>	I apologize for the somewhat gratuitous bashing of Vivid,
>but it's getting pretty old to see "SGI performance for under
>$6K" especially when it stems from information given out by DMI
>(the people who make Vivid-24) that seems to be maliciously
>misleading.

	Agreed, but the Vivid-24 is still a very good product. (base model is
under 2000 USD, no fp processors)

		/Peter

	ps. It has more performance per dollar? :)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Akira Mito)
Subject: Re: Sync cable Sony->Panasonic
Organization: Department of Environmental Information,Keio University Shonan
	Fujisawa Campus(SFC),Japan.
Distribution: rec.video.production
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:44:59 GMT

 The first happy new year from Japan!

In article <1992Dec31.102747.28829@uwasa.fi>
tep@uwasa.fi (Timo Pitkaranta) writes:

 |Has anybody specification for this LANC-protocol ? Or does anybody
 |know where from to get one ? Is it possible to make a connection by
 |using a serial port of a computer - what kind of a adapter is needed 
 |etc...

 Ask a Sony dealer to get one. But I don't think it's cheap.
But, you don't have to get any lisence from Sony to produce
programs if you accord with the book. No bookstore.
 And it requires to buy a Sony V-box adapter to connect to
Mac or PC. If you want to drive both decks, you need two.
(unless you have a deck with internal V-box)

 LANC has many possibilities: to drive deck, on & off,
volume up & down, and e.t.c..

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  Akira Mito(E-Mail:t90534am@sfc.keio.ac.jp)
  Junior@SFC(Keio Univ. Shownan Fujisawa Campus) 
  Department: Environmental Information (It's so COOL,isn't it?)
  Director of the SFC Hi-Vision Club, and member of SFC TiME, C-music.
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: kranburg@hlunx3.uto.dec.com (Otto van Kranenburg)
Subject: Re: Sync cable Sony->Panasonic
Reply-To: kranburg@hlunx3.uto.dec.com (Otto van Kranenburg)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:55:15 GMT

I've a similar set-up: e.g. a Sony 455E Camcorder and a 
Panasonic NF77 VCR. I'm currently using my PC as an edit
controller talking CTL-L to my Sony via a serial port and
controlling the Panasonic VCR via an infrared-device hooked
up to a parallel port. I would like however to control the
Panasonic by its sync port.

Does anyone know more about the Panasonic CTL-M protocol ?
Can it be connected to my PC  ?  
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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: Vivid-24 and SGI
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 13:11:15 GMT

In article <gregpen.725621307@crash.cts.com> gregpen@crash.cts.com (Greg Penetrante) writes:

>>...for $200,000 you could probably buy 50 or so Amigas with Vivid boards!
>
>   ...  But the SGI would still be BETTER! 
>
>  In terms of REAL-WORLD mentality where price/performance isn't necessarily
> a factor in getting CLIENTS and BUSINESS.  A few firms here in San Diego
> do tons of business with their SGI's; whereas another local Amiga firm aches
> by with a few clients a month... and has to rent out its video editing and
> hardware to make up the difference.


You can't pick out isolated cases and claim that they represent things as a
whole.  Amigas are used professionaly too.  Even the major networks are
using Toasters.  I'll bet than in any night of TV viewing, you see several
or maybe even dozzens of clips produced with Amiga or Toasters!


>  Not to mention: SGI will STILL BE MORE EFFICIENT at generating images! Once
> again, in a REAL-WORLD business climate, you are looking for maximum
> turnaround for dollars spent.  Agreed, that a Vivid-24 system will cost way
> less, a user would still have to WAIT until final images are finally rendered
> and dumped to tape.  Maybe such a system could do, perhaps a few seconds of
> images PER HOUR; On the other hand, a fully loaded SGI can dump MINUTES of
> final images to tape, thereby being MORE EFFICIENT, and generating MORE 
> DOLLARS per hour spent. 


I think it depends on what you're doing.  With one $200,000 SGI, you can
have one $40,000 per year artist busy while four other $40,000 per year
artists are standing around the coffee machine.  With $200,000 worth of
Amiga hardware, each $40,000 per year artist could have his own machine
with all sorts of software and hardware.

And the next thing coming down the pike is "distributive processing".  
Well it is not really new, but on a network, you can have software that
looks around for idle machines and uses them to process.  It will 
distribute portions of the needed processing around the network.

> And that, folks, is all that counts.


SGI has it's place.  I like SGI and think they're a great company who makes
great products.  But Amiga is a great product too and you're kidding y
yourself if you think that you need a 20, 50, or 200 thousand dollor SGI
system for everything video or graphic.



                                    NCW
 
Newsgroups: rec.video.production,rec.video
From: ds@netcom.com (David Schachter)
Subject: Re: Which decks/camcorders do RC timecode ?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:40:05 GMT

Don't forget the CCDV-5000 from Sony-- it supports RC time code.

Now for the stupid question: What does RC time code do for me?  What can I
use it for?

					-- David Schachter
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Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Big SGI, little Amiga: friends!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 06:35:38 GMT


In article <gregpen.725880320@crash.cts.com> gregpen@crash.cts.com (Greg Penetrante) writes:

>  Since I WORK in the video field, and make my living doing computer graphics
>on AMIGAS and SGI's (yes!), I can claim this for FACT, that professionals,
>despite the cost/performance ratio of the Amiga, will not choose it because
>the Amiga does not have enough horsepower to provide EFFICIENT graphics
>PRODUCTION for MEDIUM-TO-LARGE budget production.  


You haven't seen the Vivid 24 board because it's bran new!!

And no one is slighting the SGI!  I'm sure that in many situations they 
are indispensable.


>  For the same reasons, you see QUANTEL Paintboxes (despite their overpriced
>nature) in TV studios (every one I've seen.. KNSD-TV, KFMB, KGTV, WPIX, KSCI,
>WWOR, WGBH).  


...sure, sometimes for big-budget production, a few hundred thousand dollars
invested in hardware is of little consequence.


>I am sorry but the argument is wrong.  1) With an SGI, you can have multiple
>artists working on MULTIPLE projects at the same time;  2) Having artists sit
>around idling is STUPID MANAGEMENT and my ASS won't be employed if this were so.


My point still stands.  Why are even the networks using Toasters when they
could afford, and in fact, already own other much more expensive gear?  I
mean, why would thay want several Toasters around when they already have
one or two syestems in the several-hundred-thousand-dollar range? 


>ONE artist can crank out his/her project on the SGI in one hour. The REST of
>the artists will be in PRE-PRODUCTION or POST-PRODUCTION consultation with
>clients while the said artists is working. :-)  


...skipped.


>I AM NOT KIDDING.  If YOUR argument were true, EVERYBODY would have an AMIGA
>and the other companies would be doing something else! :-)  BZZZZT!
>The SGI and others are DAMN good machines.  The Amiga is a DAMN good machine.


Those SGIs must be awsome machines.  People deffend them with the fervor that
Amigoids deffend their machines.  :)

>
>SGI belongs in broadcast.  Amiga belongs in industrial/home video/pre-production/draft animation. 
> 


Amiga and Toasters are being used professionally as well as in industrial/
home.



                                      NCW



Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production,rec.video
Subject: Re: Which decks/camcorders do RC timecode ?
Date: 29 Dec 92 07:39:24 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1992Dec28.204005.25031@netcom.com>, ds@netcom.com (David Schachter) writes:
> Don't forget the CCDV-5000 from Sony-- it supports RC time code.

The 5000 was introduced _before_ RC time code.  What I think you are refering 
to is the 16 line TBC that is in the 5000.

> Now for the stupid question: What does RC time code do for me?  What can I
> use it for?

RC time code stores the Date and Time the tape was produced _and_ the frame
number of each frame from the start of the tape in H:MM:SS:FF format.  It
records this information in the section of the 8mm/Hi8mm tape reserved for
index marks.  These are the index marks the EV-S550, EV-S900, and EV-S3000 can
record on a tape. 

What it buys you is with a VISCA VTR (CVD-1000) or a V801 used with a VISCA
Vbox or a RM-E700 LANC edit controller is frame acturate edits (+/- 2 frames).
My new Ev2 VISCA software claims 100% frame acturate edits after I setup
pre-roll adjustments - time will time. 

-- 
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DECUS is for folks who are responsible for delivering computing technology.
The NLC is the national council for DECUS's Local User Groups - come join us!
From: andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
Subject: Vivid-24 (was Re: Supermac's DigitalFilm... )
Date: 28 Dec 1992 19:34:46 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
Keywords: EditMaster...

grege@chopin.asd.sgi.com (Greg Estes) writes:

>In article <1992Dec23.222819.8295@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham) writes:

>. ...Real 3D for example sounds like one of
>|> the best on the market for any platform and it's being improved all the
>|> time.  Futher, with DMI's Vivid-24 card, you'll be able to do rendering
>								 ^^^^^^^^^
>|> in real-time like the SGI's do.  You'll be able to render and animate
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Uh, a Silicon Graphics RealityEngine can render more than 600K photo-textured
>t-mesh triangles a second, and has a pixel-fill rate of up to 320M textured,
>anti-aliased pixels a second. I don't know *anything* about the Vivid-24, but
>can it really go that fast?

	It can't.  Vivid is one of the biggest hype jobs in the Amiga
world -- it's about as fast as, say, an SGI 4D/25 TG on really
simple geometries (a cube or some other Platonic solid).  The
fanciest thing it can do right now is Gouraud-shading with specular
highlights.  There'd be no reason why it cannot do texture-mapping
other than being dog-slow.  It's basically a TMS34020 with a
couple of its math coprocessors (up to four) on one PC-AT expansion
board and some VRAM and SRAM.

	Their factsheet is pretty funny:

(The SGI figures are from memory only, so they might be off by a
little.)
SGI Crimson: 50 MFLOPS
SGI 4D/340: 80 MFLOPS
Vivid-24 with 4 coprocessors: 160 MFLOPS (4*40 MFLOPS/processor)

	Then it goes on to brag about better than $100K performance
for under $6K.  This is of course with nothing at all like GL
or Inventor to work with.  Or for that matter, any released
software.

	I apologize for the somewhat gratuitous bashing of Vivid,
but it's getting pretty old to see "SGI performance for under
$6K" especially when it stems from information given out by DMI
(the people who make Vivid-24) that seems to be maliciously
misleading.

--Andre

-- 
             Andre Yew andrey@cco.caltech.edu (131.215.139.2)
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: TBC use
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 11:42:18 GMT

In article <C03p4t.Dyw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> duvall@eagle.sangamon.edu (Mike Duvall) writes:

>So gen lock has nothing to do with broadcast output. You cannot clean up
>a crummy video signal. It is only as good as what you first record. TBCs
>help keep a video signal stable and don't help the look of the picture.
>If it is not broadcastable you can't make it. Garbage in and garbage out
>no matter the TBC. 

...but doesn't "boadcast quality" sort of have two meanings where one
refers to the quality of the picture and the other refers to the quality 
of the signal.  I mean, TV productions such as America's Funniest Videos
or whatever, broadcast video from camcorders.  They look like camcorder
video... not high quality, but are legally broadcast.  I guess my real 
question is, doesn't the FCC have some rules about the quality of 
broadcasted signals, and sometimes this is what people are refering to
in broadcast quality?

I am not the orignal poster in the thread, but thanks for the info.



                                    NCW

Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: tep@uwasa.fi (Timo Pitkaranta)
Subject: Re: Sync cable Sony->Panasonic 
Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland
Distribution: rec.video.production
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 10:27:47 GMT

> Yes. I recommend the system of Sony: LANC system. A brand-new SONY
>VCRs have the function to `drive' the camcorder as a player while
>editing if both connected by LANC cable. Almost all the brand-new
>Hi8 party's cameras and decks have equipped with this protocol.

Has anybody specification for this LANC-protocol ? Or does anybody
know where from to get one ? Is it possible to make a connection by
using a serial port of a computer - what kind of a adapter is needed 
etc...

-- timo, mail:  tp@vitech.fi  fax: int +358-61-3263361 
Newsgroups: rec.video.production
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Vivid-24 and SGI
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 03:48:58 GMT


No one said that the Amiga and Vivid 24 board was as powerful as a
$200,000 SGI.  Alls that was said was that it could do real-time 
rendering like an SGI and it can and I've read on the net from people
who have seen it that it does a pretty good job!


                                   NCW

PS

...for $200,000 you could probably buy 50 or so Amigas with Vivid boards!

Give me a break.