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From: dailcann@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Christine A. Dail)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Star Spangled Banner
Summary: Grind your political axe elsewhere!
Date: 24 Jan 93 12:59:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.marching.misc
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1jq8u3INN10i@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu> csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith) writes:
>
>(BTW, isn't it odd that so many of the Hollywood elite singers who sing
>the SSB don't know the words? Could it be that being a liberal includes
>being loathe turn learn patriotic songs?  Nah!)

     Now, we were doing so well in recognizing we now have a fellow
musician in the White House, but somebody had to go and make a cheap
shot.  I think it is *quite* uncalled for to link being liberal with
being unpatriotic.  Perhaps that crack would be better placed on
alt.fan.Rush-Limbaugh or something.  I'm sure it doesn't belong here.
 
     That said, I'll introduce myself.  I am a dedicated marching band
fan and member.  I've marched two years in the Purdue All-American
Marching Band and loved every minute of it.  I marched for three years
before that in high school.  The crowd has always sung along to the
Star Spangled Banner, and I think it's wonderful when they sing loud
enough to be heard in balance with the music.  I have heard audiences
that seem to sing in a whisper, but never any that come anywhere
near drowning out the band.  Of course, both marching bands I have
participated in have been nearly 300 member groups.  ;)  That might
explain it.

Christine A. Dail                           Purdue All-American Marching Band
dailcann@mentor.cc.purdue.edu               Tau Beta Sigma, Beta Sigma Chapter
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From: elmanad@amy14.stanford.edu (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Censorship
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:50:59 GMT

Christopher Luckenbill (CXL119@psuvm.psu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan20.214823.22891@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
: elmanad@amy14.stanford.edu (Adam Elman) says:
: >
: >Mars, The Bringer of War (jat6h@Virginia.EDU) wrote:
: >
: >The Blockbuster Bowl people also censored us a bit -- they basically

:      We in the Blue Band heard that your own athletic department wasn't
:      letting you march.  We were so looking forward to playing an extra
:      song but then we heard you were allowed to march again.

Sorry to rain on your parade.  :-)  To my knowledge, there was never a
point where we were not going to march -- there was just some question
about what show we were going to do.

: >munged our pregame show so that it was nowhere near as funny as the
: >original concept.  Of course, the original concept _was_ fairly
: >insulting to Blockbuster, but hey...

:      But its their bowl and we were all invited guests.  I would guess
:      that somewhere in the contract was a clause that stated that Block-
:      buster would have the final approving authority on all shows.

Well, of course, which is why we didn't complain all that much at the
time.  However, there was some miscommunication -- Blockbuster had
told our AD that they wanted a script by about a week before the game.
The AD failed to tell us that, so we didn't get a script in until we
were already in Florida.  Blockbuster didn't bug us about it, but when
they saw the script they were not pleased.

Nobody is arguing that Blockbuster didn't have the right to censor us
-- we were just annoyed that they bothered.  Our philosophy is that
people should be able to laugh at themselves.  If George Bush can
invite Dana Carvey to the White House, then Blockbuster should have
allowed us to perform our original pregame show.

Unfortunately, our world tends not to work that way.  It's too bad.

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
From: "Gennis Emerson" <gemerson@strawberry.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Star Spangled Banner
Summary: let 'em sing
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:40:09 -0500

In article <1993Jan19.214158.13305@leland.Stanford.EDU> schmasey@leland.Stanford.EDU (Casey Carlton O'Hara) writes:

>At Big Game at Stanford in '91, the Cal fans sang over the whole song.
>I don't know anyone who did not think that it was really disrespectful
>and rude.  

Maybe I'm just confused here, but I thought the Star Spangled Banner was
more a tradition than a concert piece. I always thought it was nice when
the crowd cared enough to sing along. The Cal Aggie Marching Band-uh always
sang along when another band was playing SSB before a game. I'd vote for
bands showcasing their musical talent in the rest of the show, and letting
everyone sing along with the national anthem. Of course, if the crowd
doesn't know enough to follow the director, that's another matter...:-)

-- 
Gennis Emerson
gemerson@cs.indiana.edu
From: jat6h@Virginia.EDU ("Mars, The Bringer of War")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Man and His Horn
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:53:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Virginia

'Bout time the Sax clique finally took its rightful place in
world affairs...
justin tate
TAWVaFCI/OP(?)MPB&CSR,U!!!
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From: stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stanford)
Subject: Bohemian Rhapsody
Organization: none whatsoever
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 07:49:14 GMT

My, oh my, EVERYONE is playing the big B.R. now it seems.  You're all
trendy and weak.  Well, actually I WAS going to arrange it for LSJUMB
for UCDavis Picnic Day last year, but didn't have time.  It would have
started with a trombone soloist over 5 part sax harmony (i.e. not a
field chart).  Oh well.  I've gotten to hear both UCLA and Cal Bands
play it.  Cal's is a nice chart - UCLA's is okay, but drops out little
phrases here and there for no apparent reason (not a good thing when
the audience knows the tune and wants to sing along).

Oy, I remember listening to this song many moons ago (LONG before it
became popular with Wayne's World).  Always a fave.  Too bad it's
overplayed now.

Hey, by the way, you UCLA Band dudes missed a lot of drunken ribaldry
at the hotel Thursday night.  And Friday night, come to think of it.
Are you comin' up to Stanford anytime this Winter?  It's been far too
long since the last time we all got mutually plowed (3 years if I
remember right).

Sorry, I'm blathering again.  I'll put my happy ass to bed.

Scott
-- 
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From: msmith@koko.csustan.edu (Marlan Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: declining band sizes
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:19:53 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1993Jan20.151326.12351@spectrum.xerox.com> Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM writes:
>
>I graduated from high school in 1976, and there was nothing especially cool
>about being a musician back then, so unless today's teens are more sensitive
>to peer pressure, I don't think that peer pressure is the reason for this
>apparent trend of declining size.
>
>A high school band with 200 performers is a huge band, and it's very difficult
>to manage that, speaking from an instructor's point of view.  It is also my
>impression that, in the pageantry arts field these days, it's not considered
>necessary to have large groups, i.e. the stress is on quality of design,
>performance and participation; the stress is no longer on quantity.
>
>I don't think that the downsizing trend represents a problem.
>
>Gary
	I tend to agree with Gary. I myself am an instructor for the Beyer HS   Marching Band which marches a little under 60 horns, and they are very good. In their case it is more of a matter of weeding out those who can't keep up.
	Marching Band has become quite a competitive field (forgive the pun). I feel this has a lot to do with the popularity of D&B Corps and their influence.
At least, that's how it is here in Ca.

-Marlan Smith

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From: rwallace@unix1.tcd.ie (russell wallace)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Interstellar War
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:26:21 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

Surely the most efficient way to wage interstellar war would be to send
one von Neumann probe to a solar system near your target, have it make
a quintillion more probes, and have the whole quintillion (heavily
armed) probes attack your target.

--
"To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem"
Russell Wallace, Trinity College, Dublin
rwallace@unix1.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
From: tfish@world.std.com (Tex Fish)
Subject: Re: Anybody? Anybody? Class?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:46:48 GMT

In article <rwallace.728037913@unix1.tcd.ie> rwallace@unix1.tcd.ie (russell wallace) writes:
>In <1k1sg9INNj6n@shelley.u.washington.edu> dayne@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller) writes:
>>1) What is the theoretical maximum density for information storage? In other
>>words, using nanotech/quantum effects/whatever, could we get as dense as one
>>bit per atom/molecule of the storage medium? More dense? Less? And how would 
>>the info be stored; magnetically, holographically, or otherwise?
>
>One of the great open questions of science is whether there *is* any
>limit to the theoretical maximum density, i.e. it may be theoretically
>possible to store infinite information in one electron. (Things like the
>uncertainty principle make it seem on the whole improbable.)
>
>A practical limit for the foreseeable future is to store one bit in a
>medium-large organic molecule. It would not be stored magnetically, but
>perhaps holographically, or mechanically (literally use a submicroscopic
>mechanical arm to read the molecule).
>
>--
>"To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem"
>Russell Wallace, Trinity College, Dublin
>rwallace@unix1.tcd.ie

	In terms of the data storage, a book I read on fringe science
(_Great Mambo Chicken and Transhuman Condition_) mentioned something about
using the crystal lattice of a diamond, using each atom as a switch (I
wish I rememerd more specifics, if somebody could provide them...) which
would not only provide a great storage density, it approaches a
theoretical switching time of one picosecond.

-- 
---->Tweety Fish		"I bought that chair, young lady,
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---->These opinions are those of GO-FORCE and nobody else. Screw..
From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Invading planets
Date: 23 Jan 93 12:21:00
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
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In-reply-to: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 23 Jan 1993 04:46:37 GMT

Sun Tzu said something to the effect of the ultimate in conquest is when
the conquered gives in to the conqueror without a battle.  Finding a way
to bring a population to it knees on a planetwide basis sounds like a
*big* job -- but what if you can convince them it is too risky to fight
at all.

Maybe we should have tried that on the Godless Evil Red Martians.
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
From: martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Potential Launch Technologies (was Re: Wrecking a Planet)
Date: 22 Jan 93 11:48:14
Organization: UNC Department of Computer Science
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In-reply-to: mgcbo@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu's message of 21 Jan 1993 15:49:35 -0600

In article <1jn5pfINNiog@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> mgcbo@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles B. Owen) writes:

   >Bull also started working on a supergun for George Bush's favorite
   >person in the whole world, Saddam Hussein.  He wanted to rain chemical
   >weapons on Israel while sitting in Baghdad.
   >
   It is interesting to discuss the Bull gun projects, but they have been
   so exagerated in news coverage that its hard to tell the facts.  But,
   thing of one thing.  How long must the shuttle maintain 3G's to reach
   orbit.  So, how many G's will it take to accelerate an object to a
   velocity that can leave the atmosphere and reach orbig for correction in
   only a few hundred meters?  I think those comments about delicate
   equipment are quite impossible.  

Naturally, "delicate equipment" wouldn't work, but you'd be surprized
what can be fired down a big gun now.  Certainly complicated
nuclear-weapons fuses, and guidance systems for terminal-guidance
16-inch shells.  Artillery shells have accelerations in thousands of
gees -- so you could get escape velocity of 11 Km/sec with a gun tube of
500--5000 meters.  And remember that it can follow the ground -- as long
as the aim point is above the horizon it will leave Earth.
--
		Charles R. Martin/(Charlie)/martinc@cs.unc.edu
     Dept. of Computer Science/CB #3175 UNC-CH/Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175
	    3611 University Dr #13M/Durham, NC 27707/(919) 419 1754
     "Oh God, please help me be civil in tongue, pure in thought, and able
      to resist the temptation to laugh uncontrollably.  Amen." -- Rob T
From: dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Industrial feudalism?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:24:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In article <ig25.727829955@fg70> ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig) writes:
>As a prime example, let's take the N/P "Mote" universe, as described
>in "Building the Mote in God's Eye".
>
>In that essay, Niven and Pournelle (mostly Pournelle) argue that 
>armies need a focus of loyality and that personal leaders are
>a very likely focus of such loyality.  They quote Winston Churchill as
>an example during WWII for the British. They also argue that, since
>leaders are born to a position of power, it is likeley that they will
>be better educated to the task of leadership and therefore become better
>leaders than elected politicians.

This is not quite correct; I distinctly remember reading somewhere (in 
N-Space maybe?) that Niven and Pournelle did not mean to say in _Mote_ that 
that particular society _would_ evolve, merely that it _could_. They used it 
mostly because it seemed like a fun background for a plot.
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From: eburke@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Eli Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Invading planets
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:07:22 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <dpn2.227.727824956@po.CWRU.Edu> dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil) writes:

>I'm not certain about this. In order to conduct interplanetary war there 
>must be, of course, interplanetary travel. The size of the "rock" being 
>dropped does not have to be very large; something about the size of one of 
>the spaceships being used should be fine. (Remember -- the ships will have 
>to be either numerous or large, in order to carry all the needed troops.) 
>What this means is that the technology used to move the invasion ships 
>should be able to be used on the "rocks". It might take a while to get 
>them to the planet being attacked (say 6 to 9 months?), but seiges have 
>lasted _much_ longer than that before.
>
>Does anyone know of any good invasion books other than _Lucifer's Hammer_? 
>This thread has piqued my interest.

There is a book called Footfall by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
that deals with an invasion of elephant like alians (snouts) It reads
very well (I preferred it to Lucifer's Hammer, which had too much
induced hysteria for my taste) and has all of that great odd
technology that Niven and Pournelle like to write about.  (The crowbar
weapons, asteroids, launching ships by nuclear bombs, x-ray lasers,
exactly the stuff that this group posts about)

-Eli
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From: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.science
Subject: Re: Invading planets
Date: 24 Jan 1993 03:52:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau)
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In a previous article, lizi@soda.berkeley.edu (Cosma Shalizi) says:

[ Talking about the one and only H.G. Wells...]
>was the first (perhaps only?) invasion writer to appreciate the proper role
>of microbial warfare - why bother dropping rocks when you can threaten
>to rain down a fast-acting and highly infectious version of leprosy?

Sure, absolutely.  It's pretty clean if it works fast enough.  And the
invading force had better pray that it works, and not creating a new
generation of superbeings, like humans are doing with roaches!  But
for science fiction action, it's sexier if you send tens of millions
of suited soldiers carrying gee-whiz rifles to take over an entire
planet.

I guess another thing can happen now that you remind me.  The invading
force can build Terminator-style hunter-killers programmed to destroy
the defending inhabitants, kinda like how it was done in Brin's
_Uplift War_.  What's this gun programmed to fire upon?  Hemoglobin.  Ah.

  -- Gil

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From: jacobus@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Bryan J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Industrial feudalism?
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:41:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.071010.22650@Princeton.EDU> jdunning@chagall.Princeton.EDU (John Alan Dunning) writes:
>So I think it would be very difficult to run a democratic government
>consisting of representatives from X planets (20-30 in the _Mote_
>universe?) without FTL communication.  There'd be no way for the
>Senators to get out and press flesh with their constituency (or even
>hold an electronic town hall) and still be in the capital 
>to make legislation.  I think it also would be very
>difficult for them to stay in touch with what the voters' wanted.  If
>something comes up in the captial, it's at least, say, three weeks before the
>voters find out about it.  Then they fax their senator's office with
>their opinions on the issue.  So it's another three weeks before the
>senator finds out what the voters think.  Is the senate supposed to
>sit around for a few months before making a decision?  Some would say
>that's what they do best, but if time is critical, they just have to
>vote without knowing the current situation on their home planet.
>













You're forgetting absolutely everything about US history.  The very situation 
you speak of (weeks of communication lag between government and governed) was
EXACTLY the situation found for nearly the first 70 years of the United States.
Nevertheless, a republic endured.  Close, moment-by-moment communication 
between governed and government was not necessary.  The elected representatives
were sent as elected REPRESENTATIVES.  They were to stand in place of their
constituents, not be micro-managed by them.  Furthermore, the problems they 
faced standing for election (note that in those years, one "stood" for election
instead of "ran") were nearly identical with the ones you mention.  To be
blunt, you propose non-problems.  Guess what, US representatives and senators
would vote without knowing the situation at home--because it was simply assumed
to be the natural order of things, much like you assume the opposite to be the
natural order of things.


Furthermore, Congress did not micromanage the way they did today.  Up until the
advent of the railroad, even the most ardently Federalist states had a GREAT 
deal more autonomy than they do today.  Within the states, individual
communities handled a lot of their own governing affairs. 


A democratic interstellar state could exist along similar lines.  The problems
you pose were already dealt with once before.
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From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: 20000 decibel
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:53:22 GMT

In article <llrarcINNdh1@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes:
>From: fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix)
>Subject: Re: 20000 decibel
>Date: 20 Jan 93 19:43:40 GMT
>In article <1993Jan19.164337@gracie.IntelliCorp.COM> treitel@gracie.IntelliCorp.COM (Richard Treitel) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan19.122923.15120@odin.diku.dk>, klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes:
>>|> What would a 20000 decibel sound really do?
>>|> 
>>|> How much energy does it take to evaporate the
>>|> Earth? Where does the excess go?
>>|> 
>>|> Klaus O K
>>
>>More to the point, where did Alfred *get* that much energy?
>>
>>The earplugs are somewhat beside the point, since a mere 150dB will
>>cause enough oscillation of your rib cage that your heart stops.

True, but that only goes for one spesific frequency, 9hz I think for the 
human body.

>
>Then I must be dead.  :}
>
>The frequency of the sound source is critical.  (Jet engines put out
>more than 150dB, and ground crew work around them for extended
>periods.)

Yup. But I think the more than 150 db is measured 10m away from the engines, 
and you don't sweep the runway right behind the plane during take-off, du ya?

>Someone standing unprotected on the ground too close to a Saturn V
>launch would have been toasted by low-frequency sound levels, assuming
>that he wasn't toasted first by hot exhaust gases.  The sound level
>was well above 150dB a few hundred feet away from the rocket.
>
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