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From: roland@margaret (David A. Braun)
Subject: Re: The sin of MicroSoft
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:06:23 GMT

In article <93015.153643ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET> ASI509@DJUKFA11.BITNET writes:
> In article <1j1pnrINNafo@tamsun.tamu.edu>, bdubbs@cs.tamu.edu (Bruce Dubbs)
> says:
> 
> [much stuff deleted]
> 
> >By the way, the design of OS/2 only allows 512Mb segments.  This is
> >not a chip limitation, but an OS limitiation.
> 
> I don't know if I would call it a design shortage. The limit is due to the
> fact that some parts of OS/2 2.0 and all the old OS/2 1.x software are 16bit
> segmented code. I don't remember the details but somehow 512MB is the space
> that can be addressed in 16bit mode. If OS/2 would allow for more address  
space
> then some old app or even its own code could be loaded into memory where they
> can't be executed. When IBM has moved all parts of OS/2 to 32bit and they
> decide that 1.x compatibility is not longer important they can release the
> 512MB limit (or make it optional).
> 
> Michael Bode

Since when? As far as I heard, the segments were 4 gig...

<roland>
From: hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 in other news groups.
Keywords: OS/2
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:20:52 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich) writes:
>In <wiegand.727713047@lido16> wiegand@rtsg.mot.com (Robert Wiegand) writes:
>>I have been noticing a fair amount of OS/2 related discussion in non-OS/2
>>news groups lately.

Such as ? (So's we can all go put our n-cents worth in).

>>I think this a very positive sign of the growing acceptance of OS/2
>>by the user community. The use of OS/2 is spreadind beyond the "power
>>users" into the normal computer users.

>>It's important that the experienced OS/2 users watch the other computer
>>groups to offer help and answer question for new users.

>I have noticed the same.
>Everytime when operating systems are being compared OS/2
>is mentioned as THE example of a grown-up os for pc's.
>NT is nearly always bashed.
>BUT: most of the times NextStep is mentioned as yet a better os.
>So don't hold your breath yet.

Well, Next486 may provide a nice development system, but I think
it is not worth comparing to OS2 for many simply because of the
$$$$$$$$$$ required to get it, plus tools. Similarly for Novell's
upcoming Unix. OS2 is doing well on the desktop, and these other
systems are not priced for the desktop (except to Unix people 
who are used to relatively sky-high prices for software - hence
the impetus for GNU). So go ahead and hold your breath if you must.

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hatton@cgl.ucsf.edu
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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: NT to be launched at Comdex/Spring,...
Date: 24 Jan 93 09:08:37 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1993Jan21.222612.2511@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_kupkams@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.192423.11114@microsoft.com>, philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara) writes:
>> In article <1993Jan19.190356.12915@cci632.cci.com> rom@cci632.cci.com (Rudynell S. Millian) writes:
>>>
>>>	Sources within Microsoft said the initial version will require between
>>>12M and 16M bytes of memory instead of the 36M bytes required for the 
>>>demonstration version.
>> 
>>     Did you typo here?  I can't recall _ever_ hearing _anyone_, even
>> the most rabid MS-basher, claim that Windows NT required 36MB
>> to run.
>> 
>> 				-Phil
>
>	OK Phil, how much memory does it require? How much memory do you have
>in your system running NT? This is not a flame, but why did't you correct the
>poster, and state the offical requirements, rather than just say it was wrong?
>

    I've been running it in 12MB for months.  I could understand
16MB as a recommendation for doing development, but 36MB?  I don't
recall ever working on a PC with that much RAM in it.
    In other words, the report as published is a crock.

			-Phil
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From: weinkam@fraser.sfu.ca (James Lawrence Weinkam)
Subject: Re: IBM Ads
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:02:39 GMT

chris@cad.gatech.edu (Chris McClellen) writes:


>Looks like IBM has gotten back to doing ads for OS/2 fianally.

>In the Feb 9, 1993 (Vol 12, N3) PC Magazine, IBM has another
>one of those 20+ page ads that looks like an article.  This
>one is pretty (I like they layout, and they do show pictures from
>the WPS, etc).  They named it "The OS/2 Top 100"  -- ie, top 100
>reasons to use/buy OS/2.

I use OS/2 almost exclusively, so I don't want to harm its chance 
of success, but the list of 100 reasons for using OS/2 seemed very
repettitive.  Eg.  Multithreading helps speed up spreadsheets.  
AND...  Multithreading speeds up wordprocessors.  OR.  Preemptive
Multitasking allows you to format and do other things.  Preemptive
Multitasking allows you to download and do other things.  

So of the points could be compressed down into single points.  Eg.
Multithreading speeds up applications.  Preemptive Multitasking 
allows you to do IO intesive tasks without slowing other tasks.

I think if they had done this there might only have been 75 reasons,
still a good number, but does not leave you with the impression that
they were doing the standard high school trick of repeating thing to
get up to the quota.  

>I like this ad, but I hope people don't get mad by mistaking it
>for a real article.  Please post your thoughts.

Maybe it would be better if they had left it as 75 reasons for 
using OS/2

Just my thoughts.


James Weinkam
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From: jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2
Subject: Re: CD ROM Drive for OS/2 2.1 beta and future multimedia applications
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:48:15 GMT
Organization: University of Maine, Department of Computer Science

In article <1993Jan27.153506.10340@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> sci240s@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Wey Jing HO) writes:
>In <anderson.59.728062949@mayo.edu> anderson@mayo.edu (Alfred I. Anderson) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan22.203025.12553@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> tujf@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Jay F. Tu) writes:
>>>From: tujf@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Jay F. Tu)
>>>Subject: CD ROM Drive for OS/2 2.1 beta and future multimedia applications
>>>Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:30:25 GMT
>
>>I'm currently using an NEC CDR-84 with an Adaptec 1542B and this is working 
>>just fine with OS/2 2.1 Beta (6.479).  Haven't tried it with Windows NT 
>>yet.		
>
>>(the NEC is a loaner.  I was going to order one of those but it is not Photo 
>>CD compatible).
>
>Anyone know what CD ROM player/drive is Photo CD compatible as well as
>meeting the multimedia specs and is supported under OS/2?

Toshiba 3401  (1)
Texel DM 3024/5024 (internal/external) (2)

(1) I'm not sure about CURRENT compatibility, but I would bet that it WILL
be by GA 2.1

(2) The *current* Texel drives shipping don't have the photo-cd capability
and have a bug (depending on the hardware you are using), but the next
revision (RSN) of the firmware (1.07, instead of 1.05) will support photo-
cd and fixes the bug (I Know, I have the updated roms in now...)

There may be others, but I'm not sure...anyone want to add to the list?

Jeff

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From: kevinc@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca (Kevin Crocker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft and Force continued.
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:37:29 GMT

helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman) writes:

>In article <1993Jan22.180153.268676@locus.com>, lowell@locus.com (Lowell Morrison) writes:

>|> Hmm, you must have grown up in some very small towns, like a Gas Station and
>|> a McDonalds??  Even the smallest towns in the California Desert have two or

>In case you haven't noticed dude, Indiana ain't california :-)

Hmmmmm, I've travelled a lot around the states with my kids - who
always want to stop at McDonalds. But, I can remember only one instance
where we did not have a choice in Fast Food places to stop. I even
lived in Indiana for 18 months and was never hard pressed to find an
alternative to McDonalds. I guess I just didn't get to the smaller
communities. :-)

Kevin
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 02:50:34 -0800
From: Craig_Swanson@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Stacker for OS/2
Comment-To: Phil_Scarr@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: Craig_Swanson@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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 PS> I don't think so.  I'm on the beta test list and I haven't even
received
 PS> a copy of the BETA yet.  I wouldn't expect it to see the light of
day
 PS> until June or July.

I personally know several people who do have beta versions of Stacker
for OS/2 and have reported that so far it is working well.  Not
everybody on the beta list has been sent a beta release yet.  They are
apparently starting with a subset of the people on the beta list for
the first few code drops.


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From: pathak@mitre.org (Heeren Pathak)
Subject: Re: Prediction: The press will abandon microsoft in 1993
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Organization: Mitre Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:42:52 GMT

In article <1k4ujoINNl6r@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A.
Bell) wrote:
> 
> I predict some very harsh windows NT reviews when NT finally does arrive.
> 

The latest PC Week (Jan 25, 1993) has some negative articles about NT on
the front cover.  Titles "NetWare cases shadow over NT" and "Beta testers
say Microsoft OS lacks enterprise features".  Both articles talk about how
NT will face stiff competition as a network server from Novell and the Unix
communitity.  

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From: leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich)
Subject: Re: OS/2 in other news groups.
Keywords: OS/2
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:40:44 GMT

In <1993Jan23.205953.23703@netcom.com> timbol@netcom.com (Mike Timbol) writes:

>In article <C1B3JF.1Jv@sci.kun.nl> leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich) writes:
>>
>>
>>I do think btw that professional software companies are more willing
>>to bet on os/2 than on nt and that has everything to do with
>>the fact that os/2 is done (now) bij ibm and nt by "the people who brought
>>us edlin" ;-).

>Out of curiosity, what gives you this feeling?  Do you have lots of specific
>examples?  (Mostly I see more professional software companies willing to
>bet on NT (or Win32s) than OS/2).

I get this feeling because the software firm that I will be joining soon
is going to work on a product (that needs conectivity with minis) for os2
and it is going to do that because customers wanted it (no mention even 
of nt!). I think people are just waiting a little for NT to
become available in the first place and then to become less buggy :-)

Bye,

Leon Pillich
University of Nijmegen, Holland
email: leonp@cs.kun.nl
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From: jcyr@bnr.ca (Jean Cyr)
Subject: Re: Is OS/2 a dead end?
Keywords: OS/2
Reply-To: jcyr@bnr.ca (Jean Cyr)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:44:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.191655.15293@msi.com>, bill@west.msi.com (Bill Poitras) writes: 
|> Oh please.  Bill Gates is probably saying this because you wants
|> everybody else to believe it.  I have heard management in MY company say:
|> "Bill Gates says OS/2 is dead" and they believe it.

Well you know what they say: The PC users community is a bunch of sheep, and Billy
is their sheppard.
From: timbol@netcom.com (Mike Timbol)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS/2 in other news groups.
Keywords: OS/2
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:59:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <C1B3JF.1Jv@sci.kun.nl> leonp@cs.kun.nl (Leon Pillich) writes:
>
>
>I do think btw that professional software companies are more willing
>to bet on os/2 than on nt and that has everything to do with
>the fact that os/2 is done (now) bij ibm and nt by "the people who brought
>us edlin" ;-).

Out of curiosity, what gives you this feeling?  Do you have lots of specific
examples?  (Mostly I see more professional software companies willing to
bet on NT (or Win32s) than OS/2).

>IBM as the supporter for os/2 is also reassuring to a lot
>of companies because it implies (or should imply) good connection
>with major applications on mini and mainframe computers,
>don't forget that mines and mainframes are still extremely important
>in large companies.
>
>My 2 cents,
>
>Leon Pillich

     - Mike
From: ed@balrog.aecom.yu.edu (Ed Geraghty)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Number of 2.1b users vs. NT beta users
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:24:45 GMT
Organization: Albert Einstein College of Medicine -- Dynamic Brain Imaging Lab


Greetings all,


 I was wondering approx. how many people have ordered the 2.1b CD-ROM or
have downloaded it from the ftp site. How WIDE is this wide-beta going to 
be?

OTOH, How many NT betas are running out there? If hobbes was crashing because 
of volume, how many people actually tried to download it?

                                      Just Wondering,

                                      Ed G.

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From: mpearson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Matthew Pearson)
Subject: Re: CD ROM Drive for OS/2 2.1 beta and future multimedia applications
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:49:35 GMT

In article <009673C1.ADDCA7C0@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> oususasm@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>
>Try the Texel 5024 (or 3024 external model) CDROM drive.  It incorporates  300k
>throughput, 265ms access time, photo CD and XA support.  It is one of the
>fastest dirves on the market.  Hard Drives international sells it as the Talon

It IS the FASTEST drive one the market for consumers...


>200 drive and includes a Future Domain controller (8bit) that makes the drive
>fully OS2 compatible out of the box.  The standard configuration will install

The TALON TA200 is a NEC84 (or 74 whichever is internal) actually.. :)
with a different face plate and name.. I asked..

>the os2 beta from cd-rom wint no hassles.  The price at HDI is either $549 or
>$599 (I've seen both prices in recent publications) and includes the internal
>(5024) drive, controller, cdrom software and headphones. 

CDW 18003594CDW 
sells the Texel 3024 internal for $439 or something...

Matt


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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: NT to be launched at Comdex/Spring,...
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:24:23 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1993Jan19.190356.12915@cci632.cci.com> rom@cci632.cci.com (Rudynell S. Millian) writes:
>
>	Sources within Microsoft said the initial version will require between
>12M and 16M bytes of memory instead of the 36M bytes required for the 
>demonstration version.

    Did you typo here?  I can't recall _ever_ hearing _anyone_, even
the most rabid MS-basher, claim that Windows NT required 36MB
to run.

				-Phil
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From: tonypaso@utu.fi (Tony Matti Juhani Paso)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: 2.1beta experiences?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:15:22 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

I've been contemplating on downloading OS/2 v.2.1 Beta, it's been a matter of
getting enough empty disks. I'd like to hear about any users experiences
you have. How stable is the beta, under what conditions does it crash? How
good is the Win 3.1 capability? Any experiences about programs that refuse
to run? Do COM3&4 work properly and is the palette fied? Was there any trouble
in making the installation disks and installing? Is the Beta good enough to
be the only OS on a computer? Questions like these have popped to mind.

Sorry if this is in the wrong group or in the FAQ. 
 
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From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: BUYING OS/2
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:28:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.172353.19034@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> gtd543a@sol.crt.columbia.edu (death) writes:
> Once you have testing the OS/2 2.1 beta, is there any way you can
> get on the registered users list?  Do I have to buy a copy of OS/2 2.0
> (which is basically disks and nothing else)?

You have to buy the software in order to become a registered user. You can
either buy 2.0 and get the upgrade - or buy 2.1 when it comes out.
 
Steve
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From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: OS/2 on a VAX system
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:22:17 GMT


This is a question. Our head-administrator is interested in the following. We
are currently networking and using systems from IBM and DEC. We have set-up
a Vaxcluster as well as several RISC/6000 models and AS/400's. According to
one of the official Mach documents, Mach supports many systems. At CMU, at
the time of writing, they were running it on many VAX, IBM RT/PC, SUN, as well
as other multiprocessor systems. With IBM working on a Mach version of OS/2,
will it be possible to implement it on DEC systems as well? What about the 
Alpha based systems? And out of curiousity, running several RISC/6000 models,
how will it be positioned in that area (possiblity of AIX running OS/2
software?)?

Thanks for any information, I will forward them to the administrator as soon
as I get it.

Best Regards,
Mark K.
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:54:02 -0800
From: George_Marengo@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Os/2 - Who And On What?
Comment-To: Jeremy_Alves@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: George_Marengo@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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JA>I am looking for information on OS/2, specifically on the type of
JA>machine that people are running it on, and with what applications,

 386-33 clone w/8 megs on a 30 meg partition. 14" monitor, 
800x600x16 using Joel Armegaud's 32 bit driver, SIO v4b drivers, USR
Sportster/Fax, KXP1124i, Toshiba 105mb IDE, Trident 8900B w/512k.

I typically use MR/2, PMComm v2.01, PMFax, Norton Commander/2, 
WordPerfect5.2 (Windows), games. Typically, 4 or 5 apps open, swap
file
size of 6 megs (including Windows code).  
___
 X MR/2 1.38 NR X Where there's a will, there's a probate

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From: mounil@mathworks.com (Mounil Patel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT to be launched at Comdex/Spring,...
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:47:50 GMT
     <1993Jan26.001231.1844@itsmail1.hamilton.edu>
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Organization: The MathWorks, Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1


In article <1993Jan26.161242.15183@athena.mit.edu> Matthew Grice,
mgrice@athena.mit.edu writes:
>I've been calling the software companies, and I think I have some idea
of 
>why less os/2 software is being developed than should be.
>Here goes.  The average person's thought pattern:
>"Well, I feel sorry for all those OS/2'ers.  They don't know what having
>a GUI like windows is like. (glad I dont.  I have WPS and Open Look)
>"

Sorry to break this to you, but this is not the reason why companies are
slow to come out with OS/2 versions of their programs. I work at a
company which has a Windows version but does not plan to support OS/2.
The choice was not made becase we're soooo in love with Windows and we
thing that the guys at Microsoft are gods. I think that OS/2 is a hell of
a lot better than Windows is or Windows NT will be. And I have no love
for Microsoft. The fact of the matter is that there are not enough OS/2
users out there to justify the cost of developing for a whole new
platform. The process takes a lot of time which equals a lot of cash in
the software biz. Everyone and their uncle has MS Windows in comparison.
Before you remind me how many millions of OS/2 copies have been sold,
remember that Microsoft is pushing out that many copies of Windows a
month. No one wanted to develop Windows apps until Mircrosoft came out
with Windows 3.x and started their marketing hype runnig at full speed.
When IBM can get an installed base as large as the Windows market, you
can bet that everyone will start making OS/2 applications as well. And
since IBM did such an outstanding job supporting  Windows 3.1 apps in
OS/2, companies are going to be hesitant in doing the extra work of
writing native OS/2 apps. This may seem unfair, but unfortunately this is
business. I applaud your boycott of companies that don't make OS/2
versions of their products, but this won't change any minds until there
are enough OS/2 user's who feel this way to make a difference in the
bottom line.

-Mounil

The opinions expressed in this message are mine and in no way the
opinions of my employers, family, or friends, etc, etc...
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From: menaf00@DMI.USherb.CA (FRANCOIS MENARD)
Subject: Over 16 megs !
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:05:00 GMT


For all those of you saying that they had problems with more than 16 megs
of RAM on an ISA bus, IBM solved the problem once for all in the 2.1beta

OS/2 v2.1 sees all of my 20 megs !! (Even without a new OS2LDR !)

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