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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:02:36 EDT
From:         "Roger A. Phyall" <ROGER@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Family Values and Arbitration
              22 Jul 1992 18:30:44 GMT from <kilroy@GBORO.GLASSBORO.EDU>

On Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:30:44 GMT Dr Nancy's Sweetie said:
>[ US politics, but generalisable ]
>
>Ms Clinton did not say that the child's decision should automatically be made
>binding, only that the child should have the right to present his/her case
>before a judge and have that judge make a decision.
>
Juvenile Court in reverse, right?

>For an extreme example, suppose a 14-year-old girl is pregnant, and her
>parents want her to have an abortion.  Would you say that the girl has no
>right to keep the baby?  That she has no right to even ask for an impartial
>decision from a third party?
>
Hold on to your socks, brother Darren, cause my answer(s) are:
          a)  14yr girl has no right to get pregnant in the 1st place let alone
                  add insult to injury and defy her parents even furthur.
          b)  You're stuck on the abortion issue instead of your subject which
               is Family Values which should impart from God's Plan; man's so-
               called justice/impartial 3rd party doesn't stand up or holdout.
>
>In my experience, parents are sometimes muddleheaded when it comes to their
>children; most parents want what's best, but few of them are willing to
>believe that they might be wrong about what that is.  Everybody makes mistakes
>and lets their biases interfere with good judgement, especially when the
>situation is emotionally important.  Nobody is infallible, and becoming a
>parent doesn't confer some magic power on people.  Impartial third-party
>decisions are helpful in many situations, and I see no reason to assume that
>they are unacceptable for parent-child disputes.
>
Hey that's your closed eyeballs, if we have parents strong in the Word and dil-
igently seeking to train their children up in the way they should go, there
shall be no need to muddle things up with man's (in)justice system.

>I would prefer it if the family could go to the deacons or elders who run
>their church, but for people outside the church that's not an option.

Whoa!  When did we get to be Mankind's List?  We are now discussing more than
Practical Christian Living?  -OR-
Are we just speaking in terms of those Christians with no church affiliation?

>Also,
>many churches see "honor thy father and mother" as "obey everything they say",
>without first asking if the parents might ever be wrong.  In my opinion, a kid
>who refuses to have an abortion does more to honor her parents than one who
>just does what they say.

It may be sad but it's fair.  Children come under their parents in God's Family
Structure.  It is up to God through Jesus Christ to deal and direct those kid's
parents and minimize or eliminate wrongs/errors.  Therefore, unless the parents
were led by Christ to allow fornication (sex w/o marriage) the child has gone
away from honoring her parents already regardless of the *abortion* issue.
And Darren, my brother, try real hard to immagine yourself as female, capable
of procreating life, then add the responsibility regardless of age, then add
the environmental pressures when you are only a non-working, non-employable,
non-adult; -OR- The female adult in the same fix maybe even homeless; -OR-
Etc., In short, put yourself in a woman's or girl's place and see how much soap
and water your obvious stand on abortion stands. REMEMBER! In 9 out of 10 cases
the issue of abortion arises due to the commission of SIN!

>The assumption that one side is always right renders
>the third party useless.
>
Correctomundo!  Unless that third party is God!
>

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