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From: christos@cco.caltech.edu (Christos S. Christoforou)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WHERE are the Mighty Reds??
Date: 26 Sep 1992 05:06:06 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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In article <1992Sep25.221313.2248@sequent.com> jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer) writes:
>In article <19vb2eINNivd@gap.caltech.edu> christos@cco.caltech.edu (Christos S. Christoforou) writes:
>>In article <19ukqhINNm2j@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> ehchua@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Eu Hin Chua) writes:
>>
>>What I want to know from the ``Liverpool bashers'' is this:
>>Were you or anyone of your immediate family alive when *your*
>>team last won a major trophy?   :)
>>
>>christos
>>a liverpool supporter
>
>Actually yes. Arsenal have won league two championships in the last four years.
>And I'm slightly older than 4. Being so old and my memory so feeble, perhaps
>you can enlighten me on the final game of the season a couple of years back
>when Arsenal visit Kop-land. I vaguely remember a last minute goal that had
>a bearing on a title...?
>
>Have fun... :-)

of course you are right.
that's why I said liverpool routinely beat almost
(the key word here)
all teams.

Arsenal winning the league at the last minute of the
season does not make them a better team than Liverpool
for the season in question. (By the same token, had Liverpool
lost that game by 1-0 only, and thus winning the league,
would not mean they were a better team than Arsenal!)

Plus, losing the league in that fasion
even though a big disappointment, is hardly
a failure by anyone's standards.
Except, perhaps, Liverpool's.

But do you see my point now? Only Arsenal supporters
can boast, and they only in the last few years.
The rest can cheer not because their team
did better, but only because Liverpool lost.

christos
From: J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Name Flames
Date: 6 Oct 1992 09:22:46 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu







In message <FISCHER.92Oct3041812@steiner.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk
(Lars Peter Fischer)

>>>>> "James" == J.M.Ross  (Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk)

>James> I'll spell it out slowly for you ...
>James> There is one team called "Rangers FC"

>I'll spell it out slowly for you...
>If all your life you've heard (in the media and elsewhere) Glasgow
>Rangers, if you've just watched a TV transmission where they said
>"Glasgow" 15+ times, you'll quite naturally say "Glasgow Rangers"
>yourself. I might try my best to get it right and please everyone, but
>I know I'll slip from time to time.

Lars, I understand that you and others are used to hearing of "Glasgow
Rangers" and so naturally use it yourself. Whilst I would be delighted if
everyone were to always use correct names, for Rangers and anyone else, this
is of course unrealistic. Go back and read the article again (I'll mail you a
copy if you've lost the original) and see what is being spelt out slowly
before shooting me down. I was not spelling out that Rangers are not
Glasgow Rangers (we've done that one), I was spelling out the difference
between a name of just "Rangers" as opposed to "Another-name-followed-by
Rangers". Got it?

If you'd spent all your life hearing the so-called "national" media referring
to other teams (e.g. Queen's Park Rangers) as Rangers and Rangers as
Glasgow Rangers, you'd be annoyed too.

>Look, if I tell someone here "Rangers will play Leeds in the next EC
>round", they'll have no idea what I mean. They *will* understand
>"Glasgow Rangers" (note, btw, that I use "Leeds", not "Leeds United").

A moot point which I am well aware of. If I said here (i.e. in Manchester) 
that Rangers will play United in the next EC round people would say, "I though
United were knocked out by Moscow Spartak", in Leeds they would know what
I meant, whilst in London they would wonder how Queen's Park Rangers qualified
for Europe!

>>James> Similarly for Celtic.

>Yeah, and while you're at, why don't you try to educate the public on
>the true meaning of the word "hacker"?

No thanks, there's at least half a dozen meanings I can think of off-hand!

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To paraphrase a song often heard at Ibrox

"There's not a team called the Glasgow Rangers"
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: World Cup Qualifying Results
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:06:38 GMT
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

In article <1992Sep28.133703.9317@wam.umd.edu>, waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach) writes:

|>Highly unlikely since these two are the weaker teams of CONCACAF lately.
|>I'll tip Mexico to win the region with Honduras or Costa Rica the
|>runners up to play off against the Oceania winners (Aussies, most likely).
|>The Canadians look to be the darkhorse since they have the players

If Mexico win then Costa Rica can't come second as they are in the
same qualifying group.  One of these 2 teams must be eliminated thus
making it easier for Australia or New Zealand.  


       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: jussi@lut.fi (Jussi Salminen)
Subject: Finnish League, 31st round
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:56:54 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

	
	Finnish League, 31st round, 4th October:

FC Haka		3-0 	MyPa		(2-0)		  983
39. Juha Lahtinen
42. Sami Ristila
89. Lahtinen

HJK		2-0	FC Jazz		(1-0)		5 480
43. Pasi Tauriainen
75. Janne Suokonautio

KuPS		3-1	FC Oulu		(1-0)		1 769
27. Markku Raatikainen	89. Vesa Tauriainen
48. Harri Ylonen
69. Mika Grohn

RoPS		2-4	MP		(1-3)		  701
16. Vasili Karatajev	25. Jukka Ruhanen
65. Aleksandr Verinzh-  37. George Lawrence
    nikov (pen)		43. Antti-Pekka Nikula
			49. Juha Karvinen

TPS		0-1	FC Ilves	(0-1)		1 000
			34. Miika Juntunen (pen)

Table:
                             GP    W   T   L    GF     GA     PTS
                                                                 
 1.  HJK (Helsinki)          31   19   5   7    56     34      62
 2.  FC Kuusysi (Lahti)      31   19   4   8    58     35      61
 3.  FC Jazz (Pori)          31   17   8   6    58     40      59
 4.  MyPa (Myllykoski)       31   16   8   7    57     25      56
 5.  FC Haka (Valkeakoski)   31   14   5  12    40     48      47
 6.  Jaro (Pietarsaari)      31   12   8  11    43     36      44
 7.  RoPS (Rovaniemi)        31   11   6  14    48     46      39
 8.  TPS (Turku)             31    9   7  15    26     39      34
 9.  FC Ilves (Tampere)      31    9   4  18    42     54      31
10.  KuPS (Kuopio)           31    8   7  16    33     53      31
----------------------------------------------------------------------
11.  MP (Mikkeli)            31    9   3  19    32     57      30
======================================================================
12.  FC Oulu                 31    9   3  19    39     65      30


Top goalscorers:

20: Luiz Antonio (FC Jazz)
19: Ismo Lius (HJK)
15: Mauri Keskitalo (MyPa)
14: Jukka Turunen (MyPa), Kimmo Tarkkio (FC Kuusysi) 
    and Juha Lahtinen (FC Haka)
12: Stuart Beards (RoPS) and Paul Lindholm (Jaro)
11: Jari Vanhala (HJK), Juha Karvinen (MP)
    and Saku Laaksonen (FC Jazz)
10: Ari Hjelm (FC Ilves), Sami Vaisanen (FC Oulu)
    and Marko Rajamaki (TPS)
                                                                          

	Remaining matches:

11th October: FC Haka-KuPS, FC Kuusysi-HJK, MP-Jaro, MyPa-FC Jazz,
	      FC Oulu-TPS, RoPS-FC Ilves
Final round 17th October:
	FC Ilves-FC Oulu, HJK-MyPa, Jaro-FC Haka, FC Jazz-FC Kuusysi,
	KuPS-MP, TPS-RoPS

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Subject: Re: Souness Gets Vote
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 16:05:02 GMT

In article <00961660.A7ACF580.26348@matai.vuw.ac.nz> mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ writes:
>Well, I won't say I told you so but the Sword of Damocles now hangs over the
>"Great Saten" (who the hell came up with that name?). How long can he last?
>Votes of confidence usually mean they have already talked to somebody else but
>are haggling about salary and conditions etc...My favourites for the job are
>
>John Toshack
  Good choice 

>Alan Hansen
  Complete Tosser

>Ronnie Moran (Going back to the traditional backroom set up)
  Has been, not up to Paisley standard

>Jimmy Greaves
  You've got to be kidding! That's right Saint!

>Ron Atkinson (Isn't he about due to move on, he's been at Villa far too long..
  How much is that cigar...I'll give you 300
From: craa83@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: taylor report
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:48:39 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

Does the taylor report mean that all seated areas must be numbered , if so will
this mean all games are to be all ticket even if their is not the slightest 
chance of a capacity crowd.
From: CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu (Christopher S. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Football in the USA
Date: 5 Oct 1992 13:45:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Attn: Christian Taube
Re: "Stars" in the USA

If Wynalda keeps this up (or if Wegerle stays in the lineup at Blackburn
Rovers in England and continues to score 2 goals per match) then eventually
the US press will notice something. They are generally ignorant about soccer
but not *that* ignorant. For example, at the time of the US Cup last spring,
The weekly Sports Illustrated had a nice piece on the US national team's
victory in the 4 nation tournament, but they really pushed John Harkes as
the "main" star, even though Ramos, Dooley, Wegerle, Meola, et al. had
something to do with the win also.

Having seen how the US sports press can create "instant" stars (witness
Greg Lamond in bicycle racing), it may be possible to get a boost for
US soccer, but there needs to be a "critical mass" of a story first.
Perhaps Wynalda is the vehicle for this?

Best, Chris

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From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: J.C SUPERSTAR not good enough for Scotland
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:01:25 GMT
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--
In article <1992Oct2.090412.4203@spider.co.uk>, scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson) writes:


|>>P.S Sandy you mentioned a Brady backlash.I would like to start a Rangers backla
|>>s.For people who are not acquainted Glasgow Rangers medieval signing policy.
|>>Glasgow Rangers do not have any Roman Catholics on their playing staff.
|>
|>They have just sold one to Chelsea which explains that or have you just
|>coneniently overlooked that. In a country that is only about 15% Catholic
|>it's not really that surprising is it but Rangers will sign anyone that will
|>play for the club and help Rangers win trophies (trow-fee). However, giving
|>that statistic, are the Celtic books not overweighed with Catholics. Opening
|>this up to unblinkered readers, have you noticed how it's the Celtic fans that
|>appear obsessed with the issue of religion.

Not that it matters much but isn't Mark Hately a Roman Catholic and doesn't
he still play for Rangers?  I only know he's Catholic because a Celtic
fan told me.

BTW how do Rangers and Celtic fans know the religion of just about every
player in Scotland.


       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

  On being a football fan: "I am aware of the downside to this wonderful 
  facility that men have: they become repressed, they fail in their 
  relationships with women,their conversation is trivial and boorish, they 
  find themselves unable to express their emotional needs, they cannot relate
  to their children, and die lonely and miserable. But you know, what the hell?"
								   Nick Hornby 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: norr@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil.orr)
Subject: Rangers v Leeds/Stuttgart
Keywords: Ibrox cauldron
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:36:35 GMT



The English media have so far shown surprising restraint in
anticipating the visit of Leeds United to Ibrox Stadium in
Glasgow in the next round of the European Cup.

If Leeds do manage to slide past the challenge of the German 
champions, it isn't difficult to predict that the media will
revert to old habits and talk the Yorkshire club into the 
next round before a ball has been kicked against Rangers.

They would be rather foolish to do this but with their ostrich-
like view of football north of Hadrian's Wall, Jimmy Hill et al
will overlook the fact that man for man, Rangers have a better
team.

It will be interesting to see how much change Chapman gets out
of Richard Gough and how will Chris White cope with the aerial 
power of Mark Hateley ? In midfield, Ian Durrant, Alexei
Michailichenko (sp ?) and Trevor Steven against the plodding 
David Batty and the creaking Gordon Strachan.

The only prospect that is remotely worrying is that of Dave
"The Giraffe" McPherson man-to-man marking the volatile Eric 
Cantona.

Most football supporters in England will have trouble naming
more than 3 or 4 Rangers players but that won't stop them
writing off Rangers, will it ? 

I'm praying not just for a Rangers victory but a Leeds humiliation.

Neil Orr

(if the game is televised live on BBC I sincerely hope that Barry
Davies is not commentating - I hate his patronising style).
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Yeti in Scotland squad
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:42:16 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

In article <92280.143142SHUGHES@ESTEC.BITNET> SHUGHES@ESTEC.BITNET writes:
>Well,well so that illiterate,repuulsive,reptile Iun "hatchet face,kebab
>munching"fErgUzzIn has been picked in the Scotland squad!(and we think its
>funny when England pick D.Batty)
>WHAT NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It can`t be John"psycho,turtle face"Broooooon.Come
>back Ally McLeod all has been forgiven!
>Steve Hughes

Like Sandy said, you must have a good radio to watch the games over here.
What justification do you have in objecting to the inclusion of Fergie in the
Scotland squad - is it he plays for Rangers? Of course, having seen zero
Scottish games this season your opinion is of course invaluable. At the start
of the season Fergie was murder but in the last ten games or so he has been
outstanding, and certainly merits his place in the sqaud. Bomber should have
been picked in front of Derek Whyte as he has also been outstanding for this
one-off occasion due to Gough's enforced absence. You don't hear us Bears
shouting about the inclusion of John Collins do you? That's because we want
to see Scotland do well and Roxburgh has to pick the in-form players.
Presumably you object to the winner of the Golden Boot being picked?

-- 
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From: cbar40@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Boston......
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:53:37 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <9210051547.AA20543@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>, MACKINON@BROWNVM.brown.edu (Sandy Mackinnon) writes:

> Anyway it would appear my good name is being abused on this newsgroup
> and I wish to make my feelings known.  What's wrong when a man can't go
> out for a meal in a Chinese restaurant, have a few beers with an exiled
> Celtic  supporter, go to a club, throw up, get chucked out  and not
> remember much about it. Thousands do it in Scotland  every weekend
> so what's the fuss ? 

Sandy, you truly are an ambassador for club and country but then again 
you are merely emulating your heroes in Glasgow Rangers - names like Durrant,
Ferguson and Johnstone spring to this weary mind.

> This is directed to the "Jersey Jagsfan", if I was
> with you then I wouldn't have been in such a state  because I  would
> have had to buy *every* drink  

Does this by implication mean that you're not too willing to dig deep to fund
this exemplary behaviour yourself?

:-)    This is directed to Dan (CBAR40),
> the spelling is Mackinnon, please remember the 'a' You were right  about
> the taxi though......

Word at Strathclyde suggests that next weekend your arranging a trip down Route
66 with Rhode Island T.O.A.? 

> Sandy Mackinnon
> Usually at Strathclyde

It is surely Strathclyde's loss.

> In  Exile at Broon Yooni
> and in the huff........

Aw the sin fir the wee boy!


Dan
"Don't drink and drive ...
... and don't take a cab when you're drunk."
From: M.H.Smith@newcastle.ac.uk (Mark Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Leeds draw Rangers ??
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:38:05 GMT
Organization: University of Durham


 Leeds (or Stuttgart) have drawn Rangers in the second round of the
European Cup !!! 

Final decision on the Stuttgart affair will be made on saturday.


m.h.smith@dur.ac.uk
From: chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Glasgow versus German clubs
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:53:08
Organization: Institute of Genetics/Dept. Virology, Cologne, Germany
Distribution: world
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Heard it in the radio:
In round 2 of EC there will be the following matches:

BVB Borussia Dortmund - Celtic Glasgow
Glasgow Rangers       - VFB Stuttgart/Leeds United *

* It now seems possible that on saturday's UEFA meeting Stuttgart will
not face the disqualification. Nevertheless it will be a fascinating
fight for round 3!

Chris


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From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: VfB Stuttgart
Date: 2 Oct 1992 03:45:44 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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    VfB Stuttgart fielded four foreginers against Leeds and will likely
    by banned from the competition.

    So, will Leeds get a bye to the next round or not?

    UEFA decision today....

    Another scandal in Tessaloniki.

Kent
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From: harin@iti.gov.sg (Harinderpal Singh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: UEFA decides to have Leeds - Vfb Stuttgart replay (3rd game)
Date: 5 Oct 92 04:53:41 GMT
Organization: Information Technology Institute, National Computer Board, Singapore.

In article <1992Oct3.224708.29970@wam.umd.edu> waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach) writes:
>UEFA has decided to have the Champions' Cup tie replayed at a neutral stadium.
>Leeds are given the lead with their home win counted, so they have a 3-0
>advantage. The match Vfb Stuttgart won at home doesn't count anymore.

That's not exactly right.

You're right that Leeds have been awarded the 2nd leg match 3-0. However, the
first leg score still stands at Stuggart 3 - Leeds 0.

This means that the teams are now tied at 3-3 with neither team having any
"away goals" advantage (ie. Stuggart have lost the away goal advantage that
they had when the 2nd leg score was 1-4).

Normal procedure in this case (3-3 tie with no away-goal winner) would have
been to have a penalty shoot-out at the end of the 2nd leg (eg. Man Utd & 
Torpedo Moscow). However, due to the extraordinary circumstances which led
to this 3-3 result, a 3rd leg of the match is going to be played at a neutral
ground.

This third leg is going to a straight knockout game. Whoever wins by whatever
score goes on to the second round to face Rangers (Scot). If the 3rd leg ends
in a tie, it will be settled by the usual extra-time and penalty kicks.

For fairness sake, I hope Leeds go through.

Cheers,
	Harin
	~~~~~

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From: Pascal RICHARD <PRICHARD@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European Results Sep 29




         Kaiserslautern - Reikjavick  4-0            =
         Real Madrid    - Politica Timisoara 4-0     =  All first named teams
         Auxerre        - Plovdiv 7-1 (!!!!! )       =  qualified for the next
         Anderlecht     - Hibernians Edimburg 1-1    =  round
         Frem Copenhague- Xamax Neuchatel 4-1 (!!!!) =
         Derry City     - Vitesse Arnheim     1-2    Vitesse qualified


                     Regards    Pascal

                     Racing Club de Lens
                     Washington Redskins

         France : It's a long way to the 94' WC !!!