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From: gaea@zooid.guild.org (Mother Nature)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:51:25 GMT
Organization: The Zoo of Ids

880431j@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stacy Janes) writes:
>Just thought you would like to know how much damage you can do at walking
>speeds.  My roomate was riding one evening, when he fell off his bike.
>No big deal, he was only going about 8-9 km/h (slowing down for a stop sign)
>when his front wheel "just turned"(he hit the edge of a small rock on sand).
>At walking speed, his not much damage included a broken elbow, scarred face,
>and dislocated shoulder.  Yes he was wearing a helmet, and no the helmet
>could not save the rest of his body, but a broken elbow is better than a 
>broken head...

I'm fully aware of this everytime I get on a bicycle, if I don't like it, I
certainly don't have to ride at all. I agree with helmets not because they ARE
going to save my life if I get into an accident, but because they COULD save
my life. You can be seriously injured or killed doing just about anything
these days. It still doesn't stop most people from continuing to do these same
things. 

>P.S.  One good thing, the government is finally treating a bicycle as
>      "an alternative mode of transportation" instead of the former
>      classification of "recreational vehicle"

Maybe the outcome of this will be a little more driver education. I'm sick of
cars who think they own the roads and it's their prerogative to crowd
bicyclists into the curb.

Gaea
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: ULTRA marathon cycling
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:00:43 GMT

Regarding the claims that paced records have some significance, let me
repeat my earlier observation that I often ride my bike almost
effortlessly at over 66,000 miles/hour by using the Earth to pace me
in its orbit around the Sun.

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Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath)
Subject: Re: Question: rebuilding wheels 
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:50:18 GMT

I have a hybrid bike with Araya 700c rims.  I was using Michelin 700cx35 Hi
Lite Tour tires on these and after about 6 months they started blowing off
the rims.  These are kevlar bead tires and the theories I have are that the
tire somehow stretched, or that the rim was never designed for kevlar beaded
tires.  I switched to Specialized II K4 touring tires (wire bead) for the
summer and use Panaracer 700c x 35 tires (wire bead) in the winter and have 
not had a problem since.

All the rest of our bikes (we have 4) have Araya rims and none of them have
had any problems, and all use wire bead tires.

Karen Walrath
MIT
From: mha1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL H. ALAIMO)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Women's TdF
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:28:15 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University



    Seeing Jeannie Longo in the olympic roadrace reminded me of the old
    Longo/Maria Canins rivalry of the Women's Tour de France.  Does anyone
    know why the race is no longer held?  I always thought it was quite
    exciting.
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From: jr29@prism.gatech.EDU (ROSS,JOHN B)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: forced ride Denver->Granby
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:09:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Early in August I'm going to a family reunion in Granby, Colorado.  The
main attraction for me, aside from being surrounded by screaming babies
for a solid week, is the chance to do some high altitude riding in the
Rockies.  Last week I found out that the vehicle that we will be renting
to drive from Denver to Granby will not be large enough to accomodate my
bike.  Rather than leave my bike at home, I'm considering riding it from
Stapleton airport to Granby after I land.  The distance looks to be
about 75 miles, but, as a flatlander, I'm wondering if this is a practical
idea.  Some of the passes along the way look to be around 10,000 feet.

If anyone can comment on my odds of success, I'd sure appreciate it.  Also
if anyone can clue me in as to what road riding would be like around
Granby it might help me decide the lengths to which I'll go to take my
bike.  Can I expect wall-to-wall Winnebagos piloted by retirees, or is
it possible to get some decent riding in ?  I'm an exalted CatV racer :),
and am in good condition.  

Thanks for any advice or comment you may have.

-John Ross
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Georgia Institute of Technology
jr29@prism.gatech.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: chertzer@ux6.lbl.gov (Cynthia Hertzer)
Subject: WANTED: tandem
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:59:17 GMT



We would like to buy a used tandem from someone in the SF Bay Area.
Here's what we are looking for:

	-size: ~58x52cm (center to top. We are 5'10" and 5'3".)
	-cost <= $1,600
	-age <= 2yrs
	-style: preferably road (e.g. drop bars, 700c wheels, and big gears)
	-wheels: beefy enough to handle loaded touring
	-components: at least equivalent in quality to Shimano DX
	             triple chainrings and 7speed a must,
		     bar-end shifters a big plus, clipless
		     pedals a plus
	-general: lightweight, good condition, never crashed

Does this bike exist?
Can you bear to part with it?

Contact Cindy Hertzer by email (cjhertzer@lbl.gov) or phone (510) 845-3911

Thanks,
Cindy

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas)
Subject: Re: salaries in the peloton
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:18:45 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1659@hydra.bucknell.edu>, jacobson@hadar.bucknell.edu (douglas jacobson GR) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul24.105135.10507@watson.ibm.com> ams@watson.ibm.com (Aaron Shtromas) writes:
|> >   football (soccer) enjoys much greater popularity than any other
|> >   sport, therefore there is much more money poured into it, which
|> >   is reflected in higher salaries.
|> >   american sports scene (are baseball or golf really sports?) is
|> 			       ^^^^^^^^		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >   obscene as far as salaries go.
|> >-- 
|> 
|> you`re joking, right?
|> 
|> --
|> Douglas Jacobson		            .__o                  GO METS!
|> jacobson@bucknell.edu                      `\_<,                  GO JETS!
|>                        __________________(*)/'(*)__________________
|>  

-- 

dead serious
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From: whalen@starch.enet.dec.com (Rich Whalen)
Subject: Re: repair kits
Keywords: tools to bring on the road, touring
Reply-To: whalen@starch.enet.dec.com (Rich Whalen)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Shrewsbury, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:57:15 GMT


I did a two week tour last year, and will be embarking on one in a couple
of days. (From Rutland, MA to Canton, NY for GEAR.)  Along with the things
that you mentioned I pack(ed) the following:

Spare (folding) tire
Spare spokes - tape to rack
Freewheel tool - you probably can't use it with the wrenches that you're
	bringing, but if you have it then all you have to do is find some
	place to loan you a wrench to remove it so that you can replace those
	broken spokes.
I like to bring a couple of spare tubes, even though I seldom get a flat
A few zip ties
Spare shift and brake cables.
A spare cleat
A spare brake shoe
I prefer a piece of an old tire (tubulars are best) for boot material
A swiss army knife
Some lubricant for your chain (needed after that first day of riding in the
	rain)


I'll admit that I've yet to need most of this, though I have had a shift
cable
break while riding and have given out boot material to others that needed it.
I carry most of the stuff with me all the time except for commuting.
------------------------------------------------------
Rich Whalen

You don't know where these bits have been!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Jeff McAffer)
Subject: Re: Bicycle helmets (was Re: Ontario government ...)
Reply-To: jeff@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp
Organization: Dept. of Infomation Science, University of Tokyo.
	<25JUL92.10843318.0078@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 07:57:38 GMT


In article <25JUL92.10843318.0078@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94000 <CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:


 >>I think bicycle helmets are a great idea, and I think that all "serious"
 >>bicyclists (defined as bicyclists who do a lot of road riding, racing, or who
 >>go very fast) should wear one. But I would hate to see them mandatory, it
 >>would really put a damper on just taking my bike down to the store, or going
 >>for a leisurely evening ride.
 >>
 >I disagree completely with you on this point.  I don't want to
...
 >An accident can occur anywhere, anytime.  You don't have to be going
 >very fast at all to sustain serious head injury.
...
 >I wouldn't go further than the end of my driveway without my
 >helmet on.  I've never needed it, just as I've never needed my
 >seat belt.  But I think doing without either is foolish.

I am always amazed at the varying attitudes on helmets.  People I know
don't wear helmets when they go up into the Gatineau Hills because
there are so few cars.  Like the absence of cars suddenly makes the 70+kph descent safe from gravel, bumps, other bikes...

Then there are the "only on serious rides" people.  Like they say,
most accidents happen close to home.  (There are stats somewhere on
that for people in Philosophy or Math :-) One of the more serious
accidents I have had was on an empty quiet street about 1 km from home
while doing the 2 km commute to school.  For one I just wiped out (no
cars involved) and did a real good face plant and whacked my head so
good that all I know of what happened is from the hospital records.
Judging from the missing part of my body, without the helmet I would
not have my left ear or eye.  (Yes, I know its anecdotal).

For my two cents worth, I have seen too many accidents happen in too
many strange and different ways to ever ride without my helmet or
drive without my set belt.

As an added bonus, consider that the bears will have a harder time
getting their mouths around your head :-)
--
atode, |m         -- Rockin' tunes empty my head and fill my soul!
                     Art!!  Is that you in there?!
From: D.F.White@lut.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Just Weight
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:31:35 GMT
Reply-To: D.F.White@lut.ac.uk (Dave White)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

penny farthing weighs 28lbs but a Singer of the same year 62lbs. Chris Boardmans
Olympic winning Lotus weighs 17.5 lbs. Is it better to have lightness mainly in the rotating parts or do you want a flywheel effect? How light is your bike?Race you all up the next hill :-)
From: pcc@s1.gov (Philip C. Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Bianchi Limited vs Specialized Alle Carbon
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:48:39 GMT
Reply-To: pcc@s1.gov
Organization: LLNL
Originator: pcc@s1.gov


I would like to have opinions as to which bike I should purchase & why.
here are the specifics:

1989 Bianchi Limited, Shimano 600 SIS (Pre-ultegra), <1K mi, great
condition. Guy is asking $650. I could get a 1991 virata (name change)
for $825 or a 1992 for $995, both have ultegra.

1990 Specialized Alle (carbon), Shimano 105 gruppo, with dura-ace head
set & bottom bracket. Guy is asking $625. A new Allez Epic (carbon)
runs
$799.

Opinions? If anyone know the specifics on the design & materials for
the
bianchi's, please let me know (i.e. type of brazing, frame geometry)

Thanks in advance,

Phil
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From: yslas@earpuswest.com ( Rob Yslas)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike Nashbar
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:42:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <64074@hydra.gatech.EDU>, ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough) writes:
> 
>  Has anyone ever dealt with or ordered from Bike Nashbar out of
> Youngstown,Ohio? I was thinking about ordering a few items.
> 
> -- 

I have ordered several things in the past from Nashbar and have found them very
easy to work with.  The only problem is that they may be out of the particular
item you are ordering.  You should notice that overnight shipping is only
$2.85 more than ground.  I have also had to return items due to poor quality, did
not fit, etc. and it has never been a problem.

Hope this helps.

-- 
yslas@advtech.uswest.com
Thanks
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: what floorpump to buy?
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:57:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

I have a Zefal Husky. It is an all metal floor pump
and I have received excellent service from it. Even
the adapter is all metal.
From: wittenberg@zendia.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Opinions on recumbents?
Keywords: recumbent
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:58:29 GMT
Reply-To: wittenberg@zendia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <258@melpar.UUCP>, toppin@melpar.UUCP (Doug Toppin) writes:


|> If I get a single road bike I am considering getting a recumbent bike
|> based on what I have read about them (I have never tried or even seen
|> one of them in person).
|> I have not been able to find any local dealers (Northern Virginia)
|> that carry them and they don't seem very knowledgeable anyway.
|> Is all of the magazine material I have read about them being better just
hype
|> and if not, then why are they not more commonplace?

Check the FAQ article on recumbents for a start.
I normally commute on a recumbent.  I bought it because it was more
comfortable than a diamond bike.  I don't have any weight on my hands.
Bicyclists and computer users are both at higher risk for carpal tunnel
syndrome, so getting the weight off my hands is one way to lower that 
risk.  I also find that the seat is much more comfortable and that my
neck gets much less sore.

As for why they're not common, now allmost all recumbents are essentially
custom, and cost what custom bikes cost.  (There are a few under $1000, but
not many).  It's not clear whether they would become more popular if there
was a mass produced version.

--David Wittenberg
From: jv04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JAMES VOROSMARTI)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Indurain prior to 91
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:36:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul28.144802.573@msc.cornell.edu>, tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP
 (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402) writes:
>> In article <1618@spam.ua.oz> jday@spam.ua.oz (Jemery Day) writes:
>>    What was Indurain's cycling career like prior to 1991. Can anybody who kno
ws
>>    post a summary of his achievements prior to his first Tour win? Riders lik
e

I'm moving and last night i found my old Winning magazines,  Indurian won the
1991 and 90 paris nice, and a bunch of other races (this was from the issue
documanting the paris nice win , with a "profile ofthe winner" section).  I
was going to bring the magazine in today, but it had to go in the box so it
could be moved with the rest of my stuff :-)

If i can find it again when i'm unpacking, i'll post the actual summary.

ttfn james
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From: jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA (John Panusa)
Subject: Mische
Originator: jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 18:16:09 GMT

Is anyone familiar with the 'Mische' brand name?  Speicifically, are the hubs
and cranks (road racing parts) of relatively good quality?  I have just 
purchased a 'made in Italy' Miele (used) for $150.00, which includes these
parts, as well as Campy Nuovo Record parts.  The bike shops around here have
never heard of 'Mische.'  




Thanks,

Gianpaolo (John) Panusa
jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: fyhg8422@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Frederick Y Huang)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Racks
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:53:29 GMT

brian@clarisse.wustl.edu (Brian) writes:

>For the kind of rack you described, pull your front wheel up and over the  
>rack, leaving your bike resting with the top bar of the rack between the  
>back of your forks and the front of your downtube.  Then put the u lock  
>over your down tube, under the top of the rack, through your front wheel  
>(be sure to grab one of the vertical bars with it, too) and stick the  
>locking part of the lock on between your spokes.  This method is pretty  
>simple.  I have not yet seen a rear wheel stolen, although I have seen a  
>few fronts gone.

>brian

I agree with Brian- that's the best way I've found of locking my bike to
those types of racks.  I use an extra cable to lock up the rear wheel.
To add to this, the pipes used at the ends of those bike racks are generally
thicker (at least here in Champaign), and every time I've seen one of those
racks with just one or two bikes locked to it, they're locked to those end
pipes.  I'd say your best bet is to lock your bike to the thickest part of 
the rack- my last MTB was stolen from a bike rack because the thieves cut
the thin pipes of the rack itself.  Bigger pipes might not necessarily be 
harder to saw through, but you can't get bolt cutters around them, at least.

Fred
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:31:00 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

>Dis-agree. Dawn sounds OK (I use Simple Green) but WD40 won't stay put (is
>flung all over creating a mess), and attracts grime. I prefer Tri-Flow. I'd
>like to try graphite. What does the net think about graphite?

I gave graphite a try: too tedious to get it to penetrate and it
doesn't last.
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
Date: 31 Jul 92 09:54:06 +1200
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

	Thanks to everyone who's commented on Araya rims.  Anyway,  since
posting the initial question I've taken the new wheel out.  Unfortunately I hit
a large rock on a fast downhill - my brand new Continental tyre,  at 130psi, 
got a nasty pinch flat and a slash about 5mm in the side.  The rim's perfect...
	
	Jonathan Dodd,
	University of Waikato.

Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18460 alt.politics.elections:9159 talk.politics.misc:35933
From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: electoral
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:19:03 GMT
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)


	I am looking for details from the platforms of any and all
of this years presidential candidates that specifically relate to
transport policy, federal funding of highways versus other modes
of transportation, a pro-auto or anti-auto stance, enforcement of
the clean air act (amendments of 1990), support of bicycling as
alternatives to use of autos (especially in urban areas), and any
other related or relevant data that could be available.

	So, if you know of where any information relative to the
above - as expressed by any of the 1992 political campaigns ... OR
in regards to messrs Bush, Quayle, Clinton, or Gore, please email
me what you have or where I might be able to get copies of same.

	advance THANKS to netland.
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From: kxh26@cas.org (Kenneth D. Huffman)
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:05:51 GMT

rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis) wrote this about Signalling right turns:
>There is a push in this province (Alberta) to change the right turn hand signal
>from one done with the left hand pointing upward with the arm bent at the elbow
>to a right turn hand signal done with the right hand pointed straight out to
>the right.  I would like to know which is the legally recognized right turn
>hand signal in your area.
>

I believe the bent left arm is preferred.

I use the left arm bent up at 90 degrees, but also bend my wrist to
point to the right with my index finger for those not recognizing the
left bent arm alone.

Originally bent left arms were used to signal right turns for cars without
turning signals (this was a while ago).  A driver can't very well lean out the
passenger window to point right for a right hand turn.  It just carried over
to bicycles I assume.
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rbusch@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Robert Busch)
Subject: Re: headset problems
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:57:31 GMT


[stuff deleted: Bill requests help about mounting a fork race]
[stuff deleted: David suggests reaming out the head tube]
 
Um, David, I believe Bill (the original poster) was having          
problems mounting the FORK race, not the head-tube race. 
I'm sure you'll agree that reaming out the head tube won't
help much -- although it can be great fun, especially if 
you're frustrated. ;-)

Bill: what you need is a nifty device I call the fork race
wacky-smashy thingy. Basically, it's a pipe that just barely
slides over the top of the fork, enabling you to whack the 
fork race on with the end. It works great. I suggest bringing  
your fork into a bike shop: they're bound to have a whacky-
smashy thingy, and they might even do the job for free (it
would probably take them less than a minute). You might try
it yourself with a suitable pipe, but make sure that the end
of the pipe doesn't smash onto the surface where the bearings
ride -- it should hit the top of the race, where no damage is 
done.   

If anyone has done this with a pipe, they could probably 
recommend what type of pipe to use.

Good luck!

Bob.    <rbusch@watarts.uwaterloo.ca>
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