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From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: Re: No Taiwanese?!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 05:22:30 GMT


>She got a PhD in education(?) and was the one who strongly advocated the policy
>that military officers should continue to keep their presence on campuses of
>high schools and colleges.

Correction: The above statement was about another KMT female legislator
            Dr. Horn2, Dong1-Kwei4. NOT Ms. Chou1, Chuan2. I'm sorry!

My memory tells me Ms. Chou1, Chuan2's mother is a native Taiwanese. She
resorted to this point during her campaign. I would like to know more about
the context she made that @#&^ statement.
From: lmh@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Minghsun Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: US born kids
Date: 15 Aug 92 03:11:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: lister.LMH.92Aug14221126
	<l8do60INNg1@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
	<1992Aug10.225608.6574@odin.corp.sgi.com> <6191@ucru2.ucr.edu>
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science

In article <6191@ucru2.ucr.edu> lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:

<some stuff deleted>

   An argument that a lot of Chinese parents use for sending
   their children to Taiwan is that they fear their Chinese
   children will grow "bad" in America.  Ten years ago, this
   might be a valid argument.  But from what I can see through
   my recent trip back to Taiwan, the island is now just as
   "bad" as it is in the States.  I'm not just talking about
   the environmental issues like smog and trash, but the entire
   culture is also much more westernized.  In certain places,
   they even went beyond what Americans would consider to be
   decent.  Just think about it: hair salons that open 'til 3
   or 4 in the morning?  What kind of an idiot would go and get
   a haircut at 3 in the morning?  When I get married, and if
   I'm living in the states, I'm definitely keeping my children
   beside me.  I think nowadays kids in Taiwan are not as innocent
   as their parents thought.  There are bad influences in both
   Taiwan and the US.  I, for one, would rather be with my kids
   so that I know exactly what the bad influences are.

Well...I have to differ with you on that..I think Taiwan has a lot
more bad influences/temptation.  Your comments reminded me of a recent
article I rea in the newspaper (her in Taiwan).  The artilce described
a family where the father had to take his family abroad (to the US, I
think) because the company sent him there to be in charge of the
company's operation in the states.  Anyway, that lasted for two years
or so and after he got back, he had to go to many various appointments
(in4 chou2?) and had hardly much time left for the kids.  And his son
asked, "Dad, can we go back and  live in the US?"

This is not to say that Taiwan is necessarily a bad place to live but
it's just that you better know what you are doing and what you want
out of life.

- Minghsun Liu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 16:42:10 GMT

In article <9223618.1419@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>The subject line says it all...
>
>all you f***ing d*ckhead, selfish, dishonest, friend-betraying
>Koreans...
>
>I'll never ever buy ANY Korean product from now on.... whether
>it's car or noodles or cheap pirate/rip-off Taiwan-designed
>computers... and I'll encourage all my friends to do so.
>
>you d*ckheads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>yes, for some reason, I feel that I'm becoming a racist....
>for good reason, too!
>
>Recognizing PRC is one thing, but at the expense of a long-time
>friendship is another.

You racist!

As if all Koreans favored breaking the relationship with Taiwan...

You can flame the Korean *government* all you want, but leave out the racist
stuff.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: Re: Translated Taiwanese Poem (3)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:42:42 GMT


In article <1992Aug17.152830.18233@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai) writes...

>Note: Gwe3-Gu3-Tz3 (ghost valley son) was the teacher of the two most
>      famous strategists during Warring Nation Era, namely, Chang1 Chin2 
>      and Su1 Yi2.

A netter kindly pointed out the error in the above.

*** "I think you mean to say "Zhang1 Yi2" and "Su1 Qin2" ***
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: What is BSR and WSR??
Date: 15 Aug 92 22:23:58 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug14.161850.10994@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes:
>BSR: BEN3 SEN3 LEN2: Native Taiwanese.
>WER: WAI3 SEN3 LEN2: Mainlander or descendants from China after 1949.
>
>This dichotomy was caused by an item marked on an ROC nationals' ID or Members
>of House Registry document.

Question: I heard a while ago that the ROC was getting rid of "native
province" on the ID cards and substituting instead "place of birth."

What's happened to that?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Subject: Re: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Originator: txc6266@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:57:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.174227.11712@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.001636.14987@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>>I hope people from Taiwan do not consider this as a "defeat", do not have any
>>bitternese.  Taiwan has 20 million population and mainland has 1.1 billion.
>>For the sake of fairness, Taiwan should not compete in internaional arena
>>with mainland politically, otherwise other nations will take advantage
>>of the division across the Strait. Taiwan achieved great deal economically, 
>>is admired by most of Chinese in mainland, does not have a need to seek
>>recognition of her achievement through competetion with mainland in
>>international politics. 
>
>I totally agree that Taiwan should not compete in international arena
>with China for the representation of China.  South Korea has every right
>to recognize the true representative of China which has modernized China
>through iron fist.  Taiwan's government should give up all claims over
>any territory on Asia Contenant and claim only those it can
>administrate effectively.  Taiwan should use her very beautiful name to
>apply for the membership in the UN so her residence can assume
>responsibilities and rights of our global society.  Taiwan should
>concentrate on EC rather than 3rd World states and use Western
>technology to balance the Japanese dominance in East Asia.  Utilizing
>cheap labor in response to the Japanese technological advantage will
>just be a modern boxing riot.  If St. Marino, a landlocked Italian
>speaking state surrounded by Italian territory can join the UN, why
>should Taiwan exile herself from the global community along with the
>expelled ROC?
>
>TY Huang
>

Up to now, Taiwan is still a geographic name but not a country.

Germany is unified now.  For what reason did make it?  Economic or political
necessity?  How many countries in the world did admit USSR before her crash?
Republic of China is the first republic in Asia.  People's Republic of China
is the first Communist country in Asia.  What will China be?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 08:22:05 GMT

The subject line says it all...

all you f***ing d*ckhead, selfish, dishonest, friend-betraying
Koreans...

I'll never ever buy ANY Korean product from now on.... whether
it's car or noodles or cheap pirate/rip-off Taiwan-designed
computers... and I'll encourage all my friends to do so.

you d*ckheads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes, for some reason, I feel that I'm becoming a racist....
for good reason, too!

Recognizing PRC is one thing, but at the expense of a long-time
friendship is another.

-- 
"Now we insist that the customers use condoms, and most do.
We hit them on their most sensitive point, saying we are protecting
their families."              -- Margarita, Mexico City prostitute
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) that really hurts! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: jclee@atlantis.psu.edu (Jason Lee)
Subject: Most popular sports in Taiwan
Organization: Penn State University Center for Academic Computing
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 07:29:03 GMT

Someone is taking a poll in rec.sport.olympics and asking people
for a list of 5 most popular sports in their countries. As for
the case in Taiwan, I would list them as follows (rank based
on popularity):

1. Basketball
2. Baseball (including softball)
3. Volleyball
4. Table tennis
5. Soccer (or Badminton, maybe)

The list is based on my impression about the sports in Taiwan 5
years ago, and I am probably out of touch a little bit about
the current situation in Taiwan. Especially I'm wondering if
baseball has replaced basketball as the most popular sport
since the advent of the professional baseball in Taiwan. It seems
to me that basketball has lost its past prominence in Taiwan,
and the national team hasn't been doing too well recently at
international competitions. Last time I heard they were even beaten
by Saudi Arabia in the Asian Cup last year. As one who used to
wait in the long line for hours for a ticket to the Taiwan-S. Korea
game in the William Jones Cup every year, I just can't believe the
fact that they lost to the Saudi team, which was often invited
to the tournament to secure a spot for Taiwan's team in the finals
among the many good teams from Europe and the Americas. Does
anybody know if the William Jones Cup still held every year
in Taiwan?

Now let me get back to the subject. What are your opinions
about the most poplular sports in Taiwan? I think both rugby and
tennis might also deserve some place in terms of popularity.

By the way, if you consider billiard (pool) as a sport, it definitely
should be among the top 5 (replacing soccer, at least).

Jason Lee

p.s. Taking about billiard as a sport, I remember in one of my
P.E. classes in college, the instructor asked us to give him
what we considered as a sport. When somebody jokingly suggested
billiard, he yi4-zheng4-yan2-ci2-de5 told us the distinctions
between a "sport" and a "recreation", where he I thought billiard
should rightfully belong to (and he used both terms in Englsh).
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: REPOST: CHINESE MUSIC RADIO PROGRAM at US UNIVERSITIES
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:39:59 GMT

Hello!!

Does anyone have experience in running a chinese-music program in
school radio-station?  Here in Rochester (NY, USA), there is a small
group of people who would like to start such a program.  Since we are
not experienced at all.  Your input/experience/advice WILL BE GREATLY
APPRECIATED!

Thanks a lot,
Baldwin Ng
(ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu) - UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER, Institute of Optics
From: bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Taiwan Embassies
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:00:41 GMT
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238

Interesting, but I think that thtought about embassies goes for most all 
countries.  I've yet to visit a "helpful" embassy.  They all seem like 
the DMV... long lines, grumpy staff, etc. Oh well, thanks for the info.
:::::Larry:::::

--
Larry Greenfield (bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: ROC-terminated-South Korea
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 16:43:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.134049.8253@csd.brispoly.ac.uk> c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai) writes:
>Today I read about Taiwan-terminated-Korea news from British TV,.....
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I find that some Taiwanese are very very very very angry.....fucking
>Korea behavior and stop all of airline with Taiwan and Korea........

Hmmm.  I didn't know that Taiwan had hydrogen bombs. :-)

Sorry, couldn't resist.
From: jch@netcom.com (Jack Hwang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: 228? No Big Deal...
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:56:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <CMM.0.90.2.713643761.lcc5@zanaga.cs.columbia.edu> lcc5@zanaga.cs.columbia.edu (Li-Chung Chang) writes:
>HI, my fellow Taiwanese:
> 
>Sorry for my provocotive subject header, just want to make one thing clear:
>it's Chiang Kai-Sheik's personal crime, which has nothing to do with WSR as a 
>whole. Here are the reasons:
> 
>(1) Remember when 228 happens, Li3 Tsung1 Jen2 is still the president of 
>China? Chiang Kai-Sheik had resigned from official posistion, yet he still 
>control most of the military, hence political power. In fact, he secrestly 
>ship ALL gold he'd accumulated during the "Golden Dollar Bill" period to 
>Taiwan, and wanted to establish his personal dynasty here in Taiwan. In fact, 
>he really did success, right? For most of WSR, they're simply looking for a 
>safe place to escape from the Commies, with no choices, they came to Taiwan.

No.  This is incorrect.  228 happened in 1947 while KMT was still fighting
CCP in NorthEast.  CKS was the man in power officially.

The rest of the arguments are quite agreeable.
From: chou@cs.washington.edu (Pai Hsiang Chou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:11:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug21.001636.14987@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.175939.15457@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai) writes:
>>As expected, south korea is terminating diplomatic relation with Taiwan
>>within several weeks according to today's world journal. South Korea
>>promised Mainland China the following:
>>...
>I hope people from Taiwan do not consider this as a "defeat", do not have any
>bitternese.


China is not giving Taiwan any breathing room internationally.
Taiwanese invest in China despite official regulations, and
many continue to do so even though they keep losing money.
Taiwanese donate generously to help China's earthquake relief
and natural disasters.  
Yet China gets gratification from seeing Taiwan suffocating
from international isolation.
How sincere the Chinese are to want to annex Taiwan!

If the Chinese (not just the Communists, but all those citizens
supporting this) are so oppressive already long before unification,
what will unification be like for Taiwan??


>Taiwan has 20 million population and mainland has 1.1 billion.
>For the sake of fairness, Taiwan should not compete in internaional arena
                                  ******************
>with mainland politically, otherwise other nations will take advantage
                                                         **************
>of the division across the Strait.
 *********************************


What does that mean???

The more aggressive and oppressive China is toward Taiwan,
the less Taiwanese are willing to unify with China.
China is the aggressor and oppressor here.



>Taiwan achieved great deal economically, 
>is admired by most of Chinese in mainland, does not have a need to seek
>recognition of her achievement through competetion with mainland in
>international politics. 


Why do you keep saying "competition" "in international politics"??
What is it?  Please define!

What we are talking about is not even close to "competiton":
Taiwanese people don't have the very basic protection from
their government when they are abroad.
This is more than just an inconvenience, it is a disgrace,
a total disrespect for Taiwanese dignity, all motivated
by a territorial greed.

So if someone is going to take advantage of someone else,
it is those countries that don't recognize Taiwan that
will take advantage of the helpless, vulnerable Taiwanese
overseas.  Does China care?  Is this how China "welcomes
Taiwanese back to the 'motherland'?"
From: tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: HELP!!! Finding a Chinese Wordprocessor for PC
Summary: help
Keywords: help
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:05:36 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hi, I need help finding a Chinese Wordprocessor for the PC either shareware or
commercial.  If you have any info on where I can get one and the price, I would
really appreciate it!!!

Thanks in advance!!!!!!



-- 
Ted Jan                                       EMT-A
tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                      Basic Life Support Certified
University of Illinois                        First Aid Instructor
Illini Emergency Medical Services             Community CPR Instructor
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Subject: Re: Yes, Let's Not Talk about History (Was: Re: BANANAS)
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:02:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.154312.21920@news.columbia.edu>,
cwt2@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Charles W Tang) writes:

First of all, I promised myself not not post on this thread again, but
I am fat already so it does not matter to eat my own words.

I felt obligated to say something to Charles sice he seems to felt
being accused spreading hatred. No, I do not thinks so and I do not
think Minghsun meant it either.

I felt it was more toward me than toward you, but I deserved it
for being carried away.

|> Since I'm not into
|> the political/government scene in Taiwan, may I ask you if Taiwanese
|> people now have at least half of the seats in the National Assembly?

Yes.
Long before the old thiefs were all gone, the elected ones had full
control over the legi process.

|> Is "speaking Taiwanese" still forbidden in school?  (Have you, as an
|> immigrant to this country, walked into your classes here in the US and
|> told your classmates not to speak English or else be punished?)  Can

No.
I do not remember it being seriously enforced after a couple years.
This is very very silly policy and it was gone long ago.

|> Taiwanese people now freely elect their president?  I'm sure things are

No yet, but almost any time now.

|> changing really fast today, but it's not enough.  At least not yet.
|> 
|> I do have a personal question: why wouldn't the 2nd generation WSR's
|> in Taiwan call themselves "Taiwanese?"  Is it really so bad to be
|> Taiwanese?  If you don't accept Taiwan, how do you expect to be
|> accepted by Taiwan and its people?

The is way over-generalization.
Some 2nd generation WSR are like that. Some native taiwanese did not
want to do anything that is taiwanese or chinese.
But definitely not all of them.

I am proud to identify myself as chinese and taiwanese.
We always say we are from taiwan while in the US.

And the feeling is mutual.
It is the responsibility of both sides, 

The rejection I have gotten all the years did not discourge me.
I learned to know that people are individuals and there are good ones
and bad ones and all different kinds in between.

|> -Charles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: pan@hermes.hut.fi (Huachen Pan)
Subject: (none)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:53:10 GMT

Hi, netters

I know that GNP per capita in Taiwan is about 1/3 of USA, Japan or Northern
Europe. My question is what is the salary level in Taiwan? Someone told me
that the salary level in Taiwan is almost the same as in other most advanced
industrialized countries. It that true. If so, where the money comes from?

What is the social security system in Taiwan? I mean things like medical 
insurence, education and other social wellware issues. Is Taiwan the same
or similar to West Europe (free medicare and free education) or like America.

What the authority do if somebody is unemployed?

Huachen Pan
Teknillinen Korkeakoulu
From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Puzzle( Joke... )
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:24:51 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: txc6266@ultb

In article <1992Aug19.125714.14947@csd.brispoly.ac.uk> c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk (C Tsai) writes:
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From: txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Most popular sports in Taiwan
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:23:57 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: txc6266@ultb

In article <n7!vHlu?09@atlantis.psu.edu> jclee@atlantis.psu.edu (Jason Lee) writes:
>Someone is taking a poll in rec.sport.olympics and asking people
>for a list of 5 most popular sports in their countries. As for
>the case in Taiwan, I would list them as follows (rank based
>on popularity):
>
>1. Basketball
>2. Baseball (including softball)
>3. Volleyball
>4. Table tennis
>5. Soccer (or Badminton, maybe)
>
[Stuff Deleted]

How about swimming and hiking?
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