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From: cei352@cch.coventry.ac.uk (The Freak)
Subject: Re: most underated actress/actor
Organization: The Place where Godiva rode in the nudie
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:31:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.020103.14453@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mdriscol@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mollie M Driscol) writes:
>In article <BzDHxL.1Mw@cck.coventry.ac.uk> cei352@cck.coventry.ac.uk (The Freak
>) writes:
>
>>   And while we are on about dear ol' Whoopie can anyone tell me of her
>>   unforgiveable actions of the past.?? Is it true she has had too many
>>   abortions to mention,and she her life consisted of drugs,drugs,and more
>>   drugs.?
>
>Unforgiveable by whose standards?  and what does this have to do with
>her acting?
>
>Why so quick to jump on a black woman?  Why not jump on Warren Beatty
>for being a slut and causing women to get abortions?  Or Nick Nolte
>for doing incredible amounts of drugs?  I don't mean to say that there
>is any reason to jump on actor's personal lives.  I just think it's
>interesting who gets jumped on when we do jump on them.


   Listen,you get me wrong.I am not as you so put it 'jumping on a black
   woman'.This is just you, causing unnecessary friction to a question where
   there shouldn't be any.I was merely asking a question about Whoopie,
   following on from a discussion I had last weekend after seeing Sister
   Act with a few friends.I feel you are making me out to be a charcter
   of racist nature who is just having a go at Whoopie.Well I can tell
   you I am not,and I do not appreciate you saying that I am so quick
   to jump on a black woman.Dont get so uptight....
   As for her actions of the past being 'unforgiveable',those are my own
   personal opinions,something that has nothing to do with the discussion
   in question.
   However,putting all this aside,I think she is a marvelous actress,and as
   the first correspondant said,she is underated.Of course,her background
   etc,has nothing to do with her talent,as i have already said I only asked
   the question as part of a conversation I had last weekend.
   sorry if i caused offence to anyone.
   THE FREAK.
   


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From: d40937@boole (Jean Yves Desbiens)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Highest gross movies
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:30:45 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
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Sture Jonsson (sture@lulea.trab.se) wrote:
: Nhan Tran (tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com) wrote:
: 
: : When people talk about the highest grossing movie, do they take into
: : account of inflation?
: 
: No they don't ! If they did there is only ONE movie that can be considered
: for highest grossing: Gone with the wind. According to one source (I'm afraid
: I forgot where I read it) it has grossed over 2 billion dollars to date, showh
: some 800 million dollars profit.

I think you are utterly delirious, first most movies in the golden era of
the movies had very high ticket sales because there was nothing else
to compete with them. That doesn't make them better at all and that's why
B movies could be made : they still garnered an audience. Those who are giving 
a total of 2 billion to gone with the wind are doing this, taking the 
movie's 1939 receipts, deviding them by the average price per ticket then
and then multipling by the average price by ticket now. The ticket prices
in 1939 were very low, movies were a volume industry, unlike the high 
price luxe that it is today. 

: : A more accurate measure would be listing 
: : of movies with largest number of sold tickets.

Constant dollars are a better indicator of films worth than 
ticket sales, because they indicate what you are ready to
pay see a movie. If it doesn't cost nothing to see a movie, you'll
go in and see complete trash more often than if there is a price
attached to it. 

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From: cosulliv@fraser.sfu.ca (Christina Marie O'Sullivan)
Subject: Re: Best foreign films, by country
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:43:40 GMT

d40937@aiken (Jean Yves Desbiens) writes:

>Those selections are of course my personal opinions.
>I had to select in those I had seen, so there are certainly a lot
>of omissions. Adds on are of course welcomed.

>Canada : ( 1 to 3 are by Denis Arcand the producer )
>1. Jesus de Montreal  
>2. Declin de l'empire americain 
>3. Rejeanne Pavodani 
>4. Dead ringers  
>5. Bonheur d'occasion
>6. Racing with the moon
7. I've Heard the Mermaids Singing

>Germany :
>1. Wings of desire 
>2. Metropolis
>3. Blue angel ( with Marlena DIetrich )
>4. Das boot

>Britain :
>1. A room with a view
>2. Chariots of fire
>3. A fish called Wanda
>4. Gregory's girl
>5. Wish you were here
>4. My beautiful laundrette

>France : 
>1. Au revoir les enfants
>2. Les 400 coups ( 400 blows)
>3. L'amie de mon amie
>4. Un homme et une femme ( A man and a woman )
>5. Trois homme et un coufin ( Three men and a cradle )
>6. Hiroshima mon amour
7.  Zazie Dans La Metro
8.  Jules et Jim
9.  Diva
10.  Jean de Florette

>Denmark :
>1. My life as a dog
>2. Pelle the conqueror

>Sweeden :
>1. The serpents egg ( produced by Ingmar bergman )

>Italy :
>1.  Cinema Paradiso ( co production with France, with Philipe Noiret )
>2.  La dolce vita ( with Mastroiani )
>3.  viagio in Italia ( with Ingrid Bergman, I think it is by Rosselini )
>4.  1900  ( Bernardo bertolucci )
5.  The Bicycle Thief
6.  8 1/2
7.  1001 Arabian Nights (Pier Paolo Pasolini)
>Not sure : ( would like info ) 
>1. The name of the rose ( with sean Connery )

>Indian :
>1. Salam Bombay

>Australia
>1. Road Warrior
2.  Sweetie
3.  Celia

>Spain :
>1. Women on the verge of a nervous breakdown
>2. The beehive ( well I think thats the title, in french "La ruche") 
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From: ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung)
Subject: Re: _Toys_, the trailer
Originator: schung@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:54:39 GMT

In article <summer.724634367@murillo> summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield) writes:
# 
# I saw the trailer for "Toys" last night.  It's very funny -- Robin Williams
# standing in a field (which he says is actually the "world's largest sound
# stage"!)  It's a sequence of short, very different, very funny "experimental"
# advertisements for the film, with no footage from "Toys".  Anyone who has
# seen the trailer for "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" will notice some
# similarity.

For those of us too young to have seen this, how about a description?
From: sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Highest gross movies
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:18:42 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Aurorum 6, 951 75 Lulea, Sweden
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Nhan Tran (tran@peora.sdc.ccur.com) wrote:

: When people talk about the highest grossing movie, do they take into
: account of inflation?

No they don't ! If they did there is only ONE movie that can be considered
for highest grossing: Gone with the wind. According to one source (I'm afraid
I forgot where I read it) it has grossed over 2 billion dollars to date, showing
some 800 million dollars profit.

That sure pushes that E.T. rubbish down from the no. 1 spot.

: A more accurate measure would be listing 
: of movies with largest number of sold tickets.

Sure would, but it doesn't sound as impressive in a world where money counts
the most.

/Sture
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:17:42 -0500 
From: Benjamin Rudd Schoenberg <bs26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Black Holes of Cinema

I mostly agreed with everything in the original post except...
>Meg Tilly!

Did you SEE her in "Leaving Normal"?  Wow.

-Ben
new address: benjamin@math.washington.edu
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Subject: A Few Good Men:a comedy?
From: whan@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:40:19 EST
Organization: Wesleyan University

I saw A Few Good Men at a free college preview and quite frankly I thought that
it was hilarious.  Unfortunately, the movie fails as a drama but succeeds as a
comedy.  The gross melodrama and overacting sent me as well as the whole
theatre into hysterics.  Nicholson was okay but watching and standoff between
at the end was just ridiculous especially when Tom Cruise starts screaming "I
want the truth!"  The opening sequence when the marines were showing off their
rifle twirling skills also sent people laughing.  Other people may feel
different but I left the theatre with a big grin on my face.  If this movie
wins any Oscars, it would be a gross crime.

WHAN@eagle.wesleyan.edu
From: d40937@aiken (Jean Yves Desbiens)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Best musicals
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:41:21 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
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From the ratings list, I get these name in the order of their ratings
from 8.2 for the first to 6.0 to the last. Some movies I think are
musical have been put in the list, correct me if I am wrong .
If I omited a musical in between 1-25, please tell so I can complete 
the list, I don't know the name of all musicals, so I may have missed
some while scanning the ratings list. 

1. Singing in the rain ( Gene Kelly )
2. Top Hat    ( Fred astaire, I am not sure that it is a musical)
3. My fair Lady ( Audrey Hepburn, Rex Harrison )
4. Fiddler on the roof 
5. Wizard of Oz ( Judy Garland , I not sure if it is a musical )
6. Meet me in St-Louis ( Judy Garland )
7. Bells of St-Mary ( Bing Crosby , not sure if it is a musical)
8. An American in Paris ( Gene Kelly )
9. Cabaret ( Liza Minelli, Michael York ) 
10. West side story ( Nathalie Wood )
11. Yankee doodle dandy ( James Cagney) 
12. Sound of Music ( Julie Andrew , Christopher Plummer )
13. Easter Parade ( Bing Crosby ( I think) ) 
14. The King and I ( Yul Bryner )
15. Hair ( by Milos Forman )
16. Carousel 
17. Guys and Dolls  
18. South Pacific
19. Umbrellas of Cherbourg ( Catherine Deneuve) ( Parapluie de Cherbourg ) 
20. Victor , Victoria ( Julie Andrew )
21. 42 th Street ( by Busby Berkeley )  
22. White Christmas ( Bing Crosby)
23. Doctor Dolittle ( inot sure that it is a musical )
24. State Fair  
25. Hello Dolly 

My own favorites are :  

1. Singing in the Rain
2. Sound of music
3. My Fair lady
4. Cabaret 
5. Yankee doodle dandy
6. An american in Paris
7. 42th Street
8. Easter Parade

PS : The musical is thoroughly american institution as you can see.
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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: _Hoffa_ and _Toys_
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:05:53 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1gi63fINNfsb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cb366@cleveland.Freenet.Edu 
(Mark B. Bendiksen) writes:

> Sounds like I should save my pennies for the next Nicholson film
> yet to be released, _Hoffa_. I've had pretty high hopes for
> the Devito-directed biography. Anybody know what the advanced
> word is on it?

I'll let you know, I'm seeing it this Wendsday, I'll post a review.
 
> Also, what about _Toys_? I heard that director Barry Levinson
> wasn't allowing anyone even associated with the film see it until
> the last minute. Doesn't sound like a good sign to me...

Robin Williams (teemed with Levinson for the hilarious _Good Morning Vietnam_)
said it was the most enjoyable movies he's ever worked on...

From the clips i've seen, and the amount I love Robin Williams, I expect
to really enjoy it.

Greg Bole                            "Don't shrug you moron, I'm blind!
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From: huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park
Date: 16 Dec 1992 12:27:17 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
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In article <Bz4qzo.GBD@chinet.chi.il.us> dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) writes:
}huston@access.digex.com (Herb Huston) writes:
}}This sort of amber with trapped insects mostly comes from the Dominican
}}Republic.  Just this year there have been papers published about analyses
}}of the DNA from fossilized bees and (I think) termites.  There is also some
}}amber with blood-sucking midges, not mosquitoes, entombed, and it's thought
}}that some of them might have dinosaur blood.  The use of mosquitoes is
}}probably artistic license, but the extraction of DNA from insects trapped
}}in amber is science fact, not fiction.
}
}True.  Although the scientist most famous for this technique says that
}the book/movie take some great liberties with the practical end of 
}turning this DNA into a zygote.

Well, that's where one leaves the realm of science fact and enters the realm
of science fiction.

}Interestingly, his work is featured prominently in the book (though
}fictionalized) and the actual laboratory where the experiments with bees
}took place was filmed for the _JP_ movie.

It seems that Crichton heard about a newsletter on extraction of fossil DNA
that was started in the early 1980s and subscribed.

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From: leeper@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Mark R. Leeper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: THE CRYING GAME
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:37:47 GMT
Organization: AT&T

SPOILERS...SPOILERS...SPOILERS...SPOILERS...SPOILERS...SPOILERS...

SPOILERS...SPOILERS...SPOILERS...SPOILERS...SPOILERS...SPOILERS...

In article <BzB2v6.F3r@ibmpcug.co.uk> alanj@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alan Jay) writes:
> 
> Mark I agree almost totally with your comments on this movie
> (I saw it last night and thought it was on of the best films
> of its type that I have seen all year.)

It will probably be among my top three.

> I felt that [hostage sequence] was as poingnent as it
> was becaue it was not driven by Jody BUT by Fergus (the
> Gentelman Terrorist).  Although I can see why you view Jody
> as the manipulator as he most certainly becomes.

I disagree, but I think it was subtle.  Jody had a night to think and
immediately after that I started getting very impressed by everything
Jody said.  Maybe I was reading more into it than was there but it
wasn't just chit-chat.  His dialog became very well thought out.  All
this "sure you're going to kill me, it is your nature" was very
cleverly calculated to manipulate Fergus.  I am sure Fergus did not
like hearing that.  Then Jody tries to get Fergus to identify with him
and think of him as a person rather than a hostage as much as
possible.  It struck me as really intelligent.

> 
> >     The film did not quite make sense in that neither of the people would
> >have been sent to prison.  In either case it was self-defense against a
> >person who had been involved in a previous IRA killing.
> 
> Yes this confused me also but we don't find out what he is
> in prison for - and only for 5-6 years.  

You get the impression Fergus is covering for Dill.  But killing an
armed IRA assassin who has come to kill you after just having committed
a terrorist murder... that just doesn't strike me as being something
that would greatly anger an English court.  It is a clearcut case of
self-defense against somebody that same court would have no sympathy
for.  Fergus has to have been punished for his pre-London days.  But
the film makes Dill think Fergus is covering Dill.


				Mark Leeper
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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:49:34 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <kaxiras.724462968@cs.wisc.edu>, kaxiras@falcons.cs.wisc.edu 
(Stefanos Kaxiras) writes:

> Most masterpieces do not come from USA.

Ooooo, very intellegent statement, and I'm sure not biased at *all*.

> And don't have any illusion that *you* judge art work.

No, I guess we should leave that to you.

> You only talk about how much entertainment you've got out
> of the money you paid for the ticket.

Ahhh, I see.  We dumb Americans only know entertainment.  We are so 
"ignorant" (your word) that we have no idea what masterpieces are.
 
> Stefanos.

Listen buddy, I agree people should be talking about their *favorite*
movies or the top five movies of what they've *seen*, but can't you supply
those additions in your head?

You holier-than-thou, I'm-so-elite, let-me-tell-you-what-you-should-think
attitude is alot more offensive than anything else.

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From: barrus@cod.nosc.mil
Subject: Gene Siskel and Saturday Night Fever
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:19:37 GMT


I just read a clip in the newspaper that quotes Gene Siskel when asked
"If stuck on a deserted island, what movie would you like to have to
keep you company."  He responded (and this is paraphrased as I don't have
the article with me) by saying that he would choose "Saturday Night Fever"
He thought it was one of his favorite movies and he saw it something like
17 times in a period of around 3 weeks

I tell you, if I didn't already have zero respect for his reviews, 
this comment surely removes any doubt.  And I have even less respect for
Eberts reviews.  (And I dutifully apologise to any "Fever" fans out there.)

JDB


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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Linda Hamilton
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:03:40 GMT

In article <lc49417@pro-amber.cts.com> rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki) writes:
>Has anyone got any idea what project Linda Hamilton might be considering
>next?

Sure.  Can't say much about it, tho'.

GM(a-t-t-s)S
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From: pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky)
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:48:15 GMT

rhogan@aludra.usc.edu (Ron Hogan) writes:

> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
> >cew2w@Virginia.EDU ("Chris Wrike") writes:
> 
> >> Jurriasic Park was (in)famous for being the first book to ever have its
> >> screen rights purchased before it was published. 
> >Wasn't this the case for the book Lynch's 'Wild At Heart' was based on?
> 
> Yes.
>

There have been more than a few novel pre-sales in recent years.
Perhaps one of the best known (and a horrific feeding frenzy to boot) was the
pre-purchase of Scott Turow's first novel, Presumed Innocent. 

Paul


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From: climiepd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Delbert ( Peter Climie ))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: What is Molly Ringwald doing
Keywords: molly ringwald
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:44:37 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

>In article <1992Dec13.004359.17244@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec9.231625.16292@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>>>In article <Bz05FJ.7uz@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, anderson@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Chris Anderson) writes:
>>>> 
>>>> What is Molly Ringwald doing these days?  Last I heard, she had
>>>
>>>
>>>Just hanging out.  Watching Roseanne right now.
>>
>>Why the sudden interest in Molly Ringworm?
>>
>Excuse me, Jerry, but it was not "sudden", and, as I'm sure you'll 
>agree, I think you owe an apology to Molly.

Does Molly have Ringworm? What is Andrew McCarthy doing ?
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From: yajcc@levels.unisa.edu.au (James Crockart)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Freeze-Frame Scenes
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:16:10 +1030
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In article <sf9eOUa00YUoFTaGEg@andrew.cmu.edu>, Michael Matessa <mm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> I'm looking for favorite freeze-frame scenes - for example,
> in Return of the Jedi when Darth throws the Emperor into
> the energy shaft, you can see mechanical parts of his
> skeleton when he is electrified.
> 
> Does anyone have any others?
> 
> 
> Mike Matessa
> mm4b@andrew.cmu.edu  

In Terminator.

When Arnie has just completed repair work on his eye in his hotel room.
He puts on a pair of sunglasses and for 1 frame of the shot we get to see
what sunglasses the Terminator wears ... Gargoyles ...

Next...

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From: jeremys@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jeremy "EL HOMBRE" Scheinberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Jurassic Park
Date: 13 Dec 92 06:10:41 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I'm just curious as to whether or not anyone else out there has read the book.
I remember reading it and thinking that it would make an awesome movie.  Why 
is the general opinion in this group that Spielberg won't do the film 
justice?  Also, why didn't Michael Crichton direct his own book?

Lookin' forward to visiting the park!!!

Jeremy "EL HOMBRE" Scheinberg

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From: mab7g@Virginia.EDU ("midori meech baer")
Subject: Re: ALADDIN
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:39:50 GMT

i happened to love aladdin.  disney is my hero.

actually i was wondering the same thing.  i heard he improvised
alot so i guess that they had to draw "around" his words.

meech