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From: akumar@pollux.usc.edu (Anant Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: SpicMacay:L. Subramaniam(violin):LEC-DEM:Sep23:FREE
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:24:29 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


  Society for Promotion of Indian Classical Music And Culture Amongst Youth
                                (SPIC-MACAY)

                                 presents

                   An evening (Lecture-Demonstration) with

			      Violin Virtuoso


                             Dr. L. SUBRAMANIAM


				accompanied
			    on the MRIDANGAM by
				  GANESH

                        Wednesday Sept. 23, 1992, 7:30 pm.
			
   		     Crystal Cove Auditorium, Student Center
			   University of California
				   Irvine


		**ALSO AT:
		 US International Univ., SAN DIEGO. Sept. 24th, 7:30 pm.
			  Call (619) 291 9377 for more Info.
		**

                        ADMISSION FREE AND OPEN TO ALL.
	     (First Come First Served, limited by hall capacity)

		For CARPOOL and other info, contact:

                           UC, Irvine       (714) 856-3589 (Sanjiv)
                           USC, Los Angeles (213) 745-2917 (Kartik)
                           UC, Los Angeles  (310) 312-1644 (Munira)
			   CSU, Fullerton   (714) 992-5875 (Subha)

                or e-mail: narayan@ics.uci.edu (sanjiv)
			   anantk@usc.edu (anant)

Lecture-Demonstration: 
---------------------
The artist explains the art form and its intricacies. 
Dr. Subramaniam will present the Violin as a Carnatic music instrument
and explain the subtleties of Indian music.

Directions and Parking:
----------------------

 405 south or 5 South
 exit Jamboree go right
 left at campus
 right at bridge (2nd light)
 left at Pereira (1st light) 
 enter parking garage on the left.
 Crystal Cove is in the Student Center opp from the garage,

 PARKING: $ 2 per car.
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Hakeem Ajmal Khan, Gallery of Freedom Fighters
Date: 2 Sep 1992 05:28:11 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
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		Gallery of Freedom Fighters
		===========================

		  Hakeem Ajmal Khan
		  -----------------

	A physician par excellence of the eastern system of medicine
and a reformer, Hakim Ajmal Khan was born in Dehli, where his ancestors
had come from Herat in the days of Emperor Babur. During Emperor Akbar's
reign, this family became associated with the royal court. Ajmal Khan's father
Hakim Mahmood Khan was the grandson of Hakim Muhammad Sharif Khan, the
physician of King Shah-Alam.
	Hakim Ajmal Khan first memorized  the Quran and then studied
Arabic and Persian, after which he studied medicine under his elder 
brother Hakim Muhammad Wasil Khan. He became so well versed in it that he 
became famous all over the country. In 1892, he was appointed special
physician to the Navab of Rampur[ ruler of Rampur State].
	Hakim Ajmal Khan founded the Tibbi[ medical] Conference in 1906 and
in the same year supported the founding of the Muslim League. In 1908
Indian government granted him the honorific title of Haziq-ul-Mulk.
He founded the Tibbia College in Dehli in 1916 and in 1920 he was
appointed the first administrator of the Jamia Millia, Dehli.

	Hakim Ajmal Khan also travelled to Europe twice.

	He presided over the Congress session which passed the
resolution of civil disobedience against the government. In 1921, he
presided over the Khilafat Conference. A grateful nation conferred upon him
the title of Masih-ul-Mulk. He was  the uncrowned King of Dehli and
was a great champion of Hindu-Muslim unity and his views on national
politics were given importance. He authored books on medicine as well
as on political subjects.

P.S. From 50 years, Golden Jubilee, Pakistan Resolution 1940-90
	by Pakistan International Airline (PIA)

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio
September 1st, 1992    Oonhee kee  Saalgirah kay liyae hae saal-bisaal
		       Keh laa-ae ghaeb say ghuncho'n kee nau-behar girah

 
	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.rights.human
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Re: Repost: Re: Is Islam equal to Intolearnce and Fascism ?
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 04:38:14 GMT


|> In article <l9sqmbINN9gj@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:

|> >The majority of Pakistan is Muslim and wants to live like Muslims.
|> >Isn't this self-determination by the Muslims of Pakistan enough
|> >justification to demand Islam?
|> 

No, it is not.  Lets say some of the most learned Islamic scholars 
sit together and arrive at a consensus for the interpretation of 
some Islamic scripture. Out of this, they formulate law X which is 
accepted by all the people at that moment. 

After a couple of 
generations perhaps, the people find that this law X is actually 
selfserving to the ones holding power or is counter productive 
to their new economic life style or even demeaning to their sense 
of morals (this infact is happening right now. Most muslims on the 
net are embarrassed to admit that Islamic regimes may have done 
excesses in the past, since those excesses no longer seem moral 
to you.  I am not singling out Islam  for this. This is true for 
almost any culture). The conclusion that X is wrong may have been 
reached by the re-interpretation of the scriptures by the new 
Islamic scholars (Isn't this also happening today ? - take the 
example of the Burqa debate on this net). Another example would be 
the `death threat for blasphemy' which is presently endorsed by 
almost all Islamic scholars.  This law is bound to be seen as 
grotesque for muslims in the future (assuming that progress in 
education continues). 

Now, had this same law been implemented in a country like India, 
concious people could debate this law in public and even demand 
for its re-assessment.  However, in a country under Islamic law,
questioning blasphemy would itself be blasphemy -- punishable by 
death.  Now, Public debate does not start off all at once. First 
a few persons raise the issue (say in the media), then more persons 
reflect upon it who in turn set of a chain reaction to set the 
whole public discussing the issue.  However, the death punishment 
would see to it that no one is able to set off a chain reaction 
of public debate.  Without public debate, there can never be demand
for change. People would silently suffer under this law for fear 
of being branded as FITNA (?). 

That's where the problem arises. It may not be the implementation
of the law itself that is wrong (though it could be). It is the 
cementing of that law as TIMELESS that is wrong.  

regards,
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: kamalipk@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kamran Ali)
Subject: Looking For Aleem Aman In Univ. Of. Pet.& Min. Resources
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 14:24:57 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: obaid@ecf.toronto.edu
Subject: Eik pent, do kaj
Organization: U of Toronto
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:30:20 GMT



What does the urdu/hindi word "pent" mean ? 
As in the saying "Eik pent, do kaj"...of which the english equivalent would be
"Killing two birds with one stone" 


NadeemS



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Subject: Cause of Muslim conversion in India ?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 02:41:23 GMT

The following is a mail I received from someone in Japan who
does not have posting privileges. So I am posting this on his 
behalf. Please direct all replies/comments to his address and 
not mine. 

regards,
Gopal Agrawal
-------------------------------------------------------------


If you find someone abusing your father, even you 
know that he is wrong, most of the time you will
take your father's side. 

I think that this is the case in muslims in Indian
sub-continent. My friend was telling that once a
High caste elite abused him that all muslims in
our sub-continent are lower caste alite. He was
not angry on hearing such a statement. He didnot
reply anything to him as he knew that for most
muslims that is the case. 

He said to me then that if it is true that we
are lower caste converts, then see what islam
has given us. We can seat with you in the same
table today. See those lower castes in India.
If Islam didnot come to save us, then it would
not have changed any thing for them. They would still
be lower castes.

In the quistion of seperation with, he agreed that
India would have been a stronger country together.
But at what cost. Now they are all in all in there
country. At that time he agreed that they were in
no way to compit with Hindu top class. So how
could they have come up. 

Can you see the point against caste system? If the
elder brother was not good, the best option of the
weak younger brother to leave with dignity is to
walk out of the family.

For any sort of reunification,or friendly atmosphere
or to avoid seperation of Kashmir it is
necessory that

1) Hindu people reject Caste system totally.

2) Publicly acknowledge that Indian system
had in past sucked the blood of poor people.

2) Publicly work together to make India a
better place to leave.

4) Try to understan the needs of weaker comunity.

{ Assam problem is also a reflection of simillar
problem of negligence by rulling class. India
has never cared for Assam. They had to do a 
revolution to get a refinary. No economical
project are thought in ASSAM]

With regards 
SUPRATIC GUPTA
f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp
NAGOYA UNIVERSITY
JAPAN
From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: the terminator part n : )
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:30:26 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep1.230819.11234@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> alam@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ALAM AFSHAN) writes:
>azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:
>
>>	   On the contrary, a hard man is easy to find, and so is a good
>but the combination? man that is *hard* er difficult to find:)
>
>>man. The problem is that they don't say good (and hard) for too long
>>after one finds them. Unfortunately, shooting terminates good (and
>i'd ask why not. but this newsgp is g-rated. wouldnt wanna corrupt innocent
>minds :)
>

This is a big problem. Often times one has to edit the articles before
posting keeping in view the innocent "readership". It is so hard.

>>hard) men. 
>ah.and then rigor mortis sets in.mayb thats the soln to longterm hardness
>+ gdness(ever known a copse to marry again or do other rotten stuff?) 
>
>>	   Salman [I did not shoot the deputy] Azhar
>just fired the guy eh?:)
>no1's implying u shot him.such gratuitous assertions can only ld to trbl:)
>
>Afshan. where *does* 1 apply for a licence to kill:)


Naveed[just kill it before it grows] Siraj :) :)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: kmubarak@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kamal Mubarak MD)
Subject: Re: the terminator part n : )
Organization: The Ohio State University
 Memon) writes:
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:31:51 GMT

>> >ah.and then rigor mortis sets in.mayb thats the soln to longterm hardness

There are other solutions, of course. The Triple Cocktail (no pun intended) of
amitriptyline, yohimbine, and testosterone is a high potency medication.

>> >+ gdness(ever known a copse to marry again or do other rotten stuff?)

You are not implying sq***king, are you?


>> >Afshan. where *does* 1 apply for a licence to kill:)

Medical school, of course!

>I would like to see all kinds of stuff, this is what freedom of expression
>is all about. You can put some warning in the subject for innocent
>readers to hit 'n'.
>
>So please dont edit your articles, let us see some RAW stuff.

I think I have a solution.  Whenever we have material that is of an adult
nature posted on this group, somebody objects to it on religious grounds.
The argument is usually that such material will  corrupt  the  morals  of
"others".  (The objector, for some reason, never says that his own morals
are being corrupted.)  What most people don't  know  is  that  sex  is  a
subject for open discussion in Islam.  Unlike Christianity, where sex has
classically been considered "dirty", Islam considers it a natural  desire
that needs satisfaction.  In the  Western  civilization  one  finds  that
erotic literature has always been published clandestinely  and  no  self-
respecting person would ever admit to reading  it.  On  the  contrary, in
Islam erotica have always been published openly, by reputable people  who
often wrote other respectable manuscripts.  Hence it is  no  surprise  to
find people who were known to be religious authorities as well as authors
of popular erotica.

The best translated work is "The Perfumed Garden of Shaykh  Nefzawi".  In
such works one finds the strange mixture of the sexual  and  the  sacral.
What can you say to a text that begins:

"Praise be given to Allah who hath lodged Man's greatest Pleasure  in the
Clefts of Women and caused the Joy of Women to centre in the Lance-points
of Men...."

The venerable Shaykh goes on to describe all kinds of  juicy  stories  as
well as information of general  interest.  Especially  interesting  is  a
chapter devoted to "positions". Not as extensive as what one finds in the
Kama Sutra, but nonetheless, fairly comprehensive.

If there is enough interest (from both sexes), I can post excerpts....

Kamal.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Ismailism and Sindh
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:23:34 GMT

There were significant conversions to Ismailism in Sindh as early as the
10th century... to the extent that Ismailism was the state religion of
Multan. It was Mahmud Ghaznavi who, after conquering Multan, killed thousands
of Ismaili's. Let me quote this paragraph from "Religion and Society in Arab
Sindh", by E.J. Brill (1989). For simplicity, I'm ignoring the lunar years
and references mentioned in the original text.

"after the schism of 1094, the Nizari form of Ismailism (but not the Tayyibi)
was represented in Sind from whence it was introduced into other parts of the
Indian subcontinent, particularly neighbouring Gujarat where it flourished.
The first non-legendary Nizari da'i and pir figuring in the Indian tradition
is Pir Shams al-Din who travelled from Persia, probably in the first half of
the thirteenth century, to the city of Uchh, south of Multan. Indeed, Uchh,
where a number of the early Nizari pirs are buried, formed the primary centre
of the Nizari da'wah for several centuries. The Khojah (khwajah) community,
of so much importance to later Nizari Ismailism, is said to have been converted
in Sind by Pir Sadr-al-Din in the fourteenth century; they originally belonged
to the Sindi caste of Lohanah. And many of the early ginans, hymns which
communicate the Nizari tradition, are written in archaic Sindi." 

In short, the earlier remark by someone regarding Sindh's rather recent
exposure to Ismailism was not quite accurate.

Nadeem

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7882
From: hassan@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Eagle Squad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Locating Email address for Northeastern University
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:32:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I would appreciate if anyone could give me the Email address
of Northeastern University....

For E.g.     @cs-dept.neastern.edu	or something.

THanx

E.S.

P.s ignore the signature, have no time to delete it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND)
Subject: Nustrat Fateh Ali
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: w
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:50:08 GMT


  Just heard from a friend who came back from Lahore that Nusrat fateh Ali
  has been offern a professorship in the university of Washington I believe.
  He is like a professor of eastern music. The amount that i was told that he     is getting is like 80,000$ a year. Is there anyone who can confirm this.


   Lahori (Sano ik pal chain naa aaway) Poond.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.rights.human
From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: E-mail message from SAHICS, Lahore. (fwd)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:06:00 GMT


# From sahics!aslam@uunet.uu.net Fri Aug 28 06:27:58 1992
# Subject: Reponse from Pakistanis
# To: mughal@caltech.edu (Asim Mughal)
# Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:24:27 PDT
# From: Sohail Aslam <aslam@uunet.uu.net>
# Cc: sahics!aslam@uunet.uu.net (Sohail Aslam)
# Message-Id:  <9208272124.aa00430@sahics.UUCP>
# 
# Dear Asim,
# 
# Assalaam-u-aliekum. The response to SAHICS posting in SCP and in
# the newsletter you send around has been very encouraging and
# rewarding. We have heard from many Pakistanis; some are keen to
# come back and join SAHICS, others who want to visit and perhaps
# give a seminar or two. We have received letters and even a book
# donation. We are delighted. 
# 
# Yesterday I received a call from Dr. Nazir who is managing the
# faculty hiring procedure for the Ghulam Ishaq Khan Institute. He
# mentioned that he had received inquiries and resumes from 4 
# Pakistani students who have received their Ph.D recently and
# who now want to join the G.I.K Institute. All of them used th
# posting in the electronic newsletter and SCP as a reference, i.e.,
# the place where they saw the note regarding jobs at G.I.K. Institute.
# Dr. Nazir was very much interested in setting up of email link
# at G.I.K. I told him how we at SAHICS are doing it and that I'll 
# come to Islamabad and work the plan to get G.I.K. Institute linked
# to the net. I told him of the plan to get intitutions within
# Pakistan linked together in an internet fashion. Anyhow, with
# Dr. A. Q. Khan behind the project I am hopeful that G.I.K. Institute
# will have exceptional facilities available to its students and
# faculties. Dr. Nazir also said that he wished more experienced
# faculty memmbers would come back and join G.I.K. Please pass
# the word to Pakistanis who hold faculty positions in the 5 engineering
# areas to send inquiries to Dr. Nazir. The address again is:
# gik:
# 
#   Dr.A.Q.Khan
#   Project Director
#   G.I.K Institute
#   P.O.Box 502
#   Rawalpindi
#   Fax: 51-841987
# 
# Please send this note through the newsletter and post it to SCP.
# 
#   
# 
# -- 
# 
# Sohail Aslam
# S.A.H Institute of Computer Science        Phone: 92-42-865379
# 22-Faisal Town                               Fax: 92-42-832134
# Lahore 54700, Pakistan                     email: aslam%sahics@uunet.UU.NET
#                                                   uunet!sahics!aslam
# 


-- 

Asim M Mughal

[Standard Disclaimer]

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: asim@heckle.ugcs.caltech.edu (A. M. Mughal)
Subject: Re: Multiple wives
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:44:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.001946.1221@uceng.UC.EDU> mghayalo@uceng.UC.EDU (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.105647.30474@davidsys.com> merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
>>
>Females can be extremely competative too. We saw that in the olympics.

	but that still doesn't mean they can't live together under the 
	same roof.
>>> to force women to wear burkhas.
>>
>>People have a wrong idea about women wearing burkhas as women being
>>suppressed and subjected to man's will.  It probably comes from some
>>of the countries that do subject their women in the name of the Islam.
>>Lots of women practise the hijab freely (OUT OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL), 
>>and it is because they are following the Prophets (pbuh) teachings!
>>
>Majority of them are not.  Here in the US I have never seen a muslim
>girl in purdah. 
	
	I have seen  almost ALL,including talking about new Muslims.
        They practise hijab because they want to. One reason, other than
        feeling good about following Islam, it gives them the 'Muslim
        Identity, otherwise you won't be able to tell them apart from
        the 'crowd.'
	
	If you asking for a specific name as a counter example, I can
	refer to someone, I think you know who will that be... :)

>>
>>-Rukhsana Merchant
>Manoj


--

Asim Mughal

[Standard Disclaimer]
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam a fascist ....
Date: 26 Aug 1992 13:49:41 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug25.213758.1324@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
>
>
>So in this case, we have the first choice of punishing the guilty
>otherwise allah[swt] will clean up, whoever we cant punish.
>To me it appears strange for Allah[swt] to take such a SECONDARY
>role in such an important affair. 

Your logic is playing tricks above. It is implying that 
a murderer and a rapist should go scott free in this world!
(because it seems to you "strange for .....").

How can Allah have a secondary role, when HE has HIMSELF delegated
the authority on us to "clean-up" our affairs. If we don't do
that we will be made responsible in the hereafter!

Please, don't jump to conclusions. The concept I gave was a 
general one __ applicable to all cases (not just blasphemy).

You have not clearly thought out your position. You are ignoring
 the following principles  in Islam:

1: Our lives are a trust from Allah.
2: The responsiblity and authority of the society is infact 
   "delegation" of the same by Allah when HE made 
   man his vicegerent.
3: An Islamic society executes only the laws laid down by HIM and
   those based upon the principles in Quran.
>
>I think this whole thing of Blasphemy and what roles humans can play in
>it sound rather fishy to me. I think some more thinking is required
>before muslims issue more death warrants.

I think some study is called for to understand the blasphemy law of
Islam, instead of relying on isolated bits and pieces.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: usman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Usman Hameed)
Subject: MILITANT FEMINISM (was Re: shooting husbands)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:25:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.015213.12044@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> alam@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ALAM AFSHAN) writes:
>merchant@davidsys.com (Rukhsana Merchant) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug19.183759.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu>, ali@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu writes:
>>> I for one would shoot my good man in case he became interested in 
>>> acquiring another wife.  No doubt about it!!
>which reminds me.heh.
>this woman goes to the gun shop.'i'd like a gun for my husband please.'
>'did he specify what caliber he wanted?' 'r u kidding?he doesn't even
>know i'm going to shoot him.'
>and another. the crystal gazer says solemnly 'i'm afraid yr husband is
>gonna die soon' to which she replies impatiently 'i alrdy know that. but
>does yr crystal say anything about an enquiry?'
>then there's the nonviolent way of getting rid of a husband. this lady
>calls her lawyer 'i'd like a divorce.' 'do u have a reason for that?'
>'yes.i'm married.'


>>> jahanara  
>>-Rukhsana
>Afshan.  uh-huh:)


Hey hey.  What's the deal with this Thelma and Louise humor.
Giving us guys a dose of the old sexist medicine.  Its about 
time I guess.

Usman
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