From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
Subject: Re: Weinberger's Pardon
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:13:44 GMT

busta@vicki.enet.dec.com writes:


>In article <1992Dec29.221407.24874@ryptyde.cts.com>, scott@ryptyde.cts.com (Scott McClure) writes...
>>patth@panix.com (Patt Bromberger) writes:
>> 
>>>In article <1992Dec28.200756.18681@cs.ucla.edu> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>>>>In article <BzzH4s.M60@well.sf.ca.us> sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
>>>>writes in "alt.conspiracy":
>>>>
>> 
>>[..]
>> 
>>>>|I applaud President Bush's pardon of Cap Weinberger and the others.  It is
>>>>|not a question that these patriots are "above the law" as President Clinton
>>>>
>>>>  "Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy."
>>>>        -- George Bernard Shaw
>> 
>>Well, you know what they say about opinions...  8-)
>> 
>>>>|fears. The real issue is justice and the balance of power between the
>>>>|Congress and the Executive. Nazi Germany made racial laws, were they just?
>>>>
>>>	The "real issue" is that Special Prosecutor Lawrence E.
>>>	Walsh was appointed by the RayGun Administration to find
>>>	the truth and ferret out the weasels involved in 
>>>	Iran/Contra-Gate! One of Walsh's initial reactions was
>>>	** the fish smells from the head down **
>> 
>>So?  What's the big deal about?  


>  The big deal is that Reagan/Bush and company felt they could do
> anything they damn well pleased even though Congress and most of
> the American people said NO to giving military support to the Contras.

Most of the American people?? Where do you get that?? 
This was a policy dispute between a Republican president and a 
Democratic congress. You forget that Reagan was elected by these
same people that you assume so glibly opposed his policies, by
a margin significantly higher than Slick Willy's "Mandate". 

>  To Reagan/Bush this obviously meant, lets sell some arms to `moderate'
> Iranian leaders so that maybe they'll release our hostages, take the 
> money made from the deal, skim a percentage off the top to line our
> pockets for the good idea we came up with and send the rest down
> to support the Nicaraguan opposition

And exactly how many people working for Reagan have been convicted
of lining their pockets? Especially with a $31 million dollar budge
(so far) to root out the evil..

>  No big deal.... Laws? What laws?

>>It's all just a big liberal-sponsored
>>witch-hunt.


>  Oh sure. Lifetime conservative Republican Lawrence Walsh is now a
> liberal on a witch hunt. Too bad we don't have more like him. You know,
> the kind of person who doesn't take sides based on their political 
> affiliations......

I think that a lot of attorneys would have found a lot of dirt for
$31 million. You can live a long time on that much money. Besides,
Walsh has had little to do with the prosecution for a while. There
are a number of fairly activist prosecutors running the show anymore,
without any effective control.

>>  Why should such a powerful position be given to just one
>>person?


>  Because the legislative and executive branches granted him that
> power......


>>  He doesn't have to answer to *anyone*.  That's just not right,
>>IMHO.


>  That's the whole point. He's not a liberal on a witch hunt nor a 
> conservative trying to protect his buddies. He's out solely for the
> truth wherever the cards may fall....

And $31 million dollars. After all, aren't all conservative
republicans greedy?

>  Doing "unpopular" or "politically incorrect" things to get the job done
> is fine with me and most likely the rest of the people of the country, it's
> when people break the law and feel they are above the law when caught is
> what, well frankly, pisses me off......

Which laws are you talking about? Jaywalking? Lying to Congress?

>>  It's the way the world works.  It may not sit well with
>>the average citizen whose only link to the rest of the world is CNN Headline
>>News.

> Seems to me that may be YOUR only link to the rest of the world from your
>above statements.....
>> 
>>Ah, but this is all speculation on our part.  The only one who knows
>>the "real" story are the people involved.
>  Yeah, like Gene Hausanfus, Ollie North, Poindexter, Secord, McFarlane
> (who for all intents and purposes admitted to what was going down), etc.,
> etc.,....ad nauseum.....

Yes - and he thought (and probably thinks to this day) that he was
being patriotic in what he was doing. 

>  Ahh... something we can agree on. IF the Clinton administration pulls
> anything similar or feels THEY are above the law, then I hope Walsh
> will be re-instated as a Special Prosecutor and go after those people
> with the same amount of enthusiasm.....

I don't expect to see the criminalization of policy differences 
between a democratic president and a democratic congress. 

Bruce E. Hayden
(303) 758-8400
bhayden@csn.org