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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Lament. A big damned Lament.
Date: 9 Nov 92 01:07:07 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <BxB00M.Au9@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
>Or at least set some standards for subject lines.. NEG for negative posts and
>POS for positive ones... maybe even WHN for whining ones.  I generally try to
>avoid the "Star Trek this season sucks" posts because I don't usually agree.
>Granted, it has some weak episodes, but nothing can be as bad as the first
>seven episodes.

I think the first seven of the second season were.

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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: ---< Fistful o' Datas >--- Synopis & *S*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:43:47 GMT

hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz) writes:
:)In article <1992Nov10.073856.11079@uoft02.utoledo.edu> mneylon@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Michael Neylon) writes:
:)>I'd reckon there be spoilers here,....sir



:)>The streets are mighty empty as the son and Worf get to their predefined spot
:)>Mr. Hollander enters, with Alex, and stares intently.  Worf releases the
:)>son, Hollander Alex, but in mid-path, Hollander draws and yells at his son
:)>to duck.  Worf quickly activates his shield which reflects the 6 shots from
:)                                                                ^^^^^^

:)THis makes its own comment on the quality of the writing and the
:)editing.

How do you mean? If you're saying the quality is poor, where is the problem?
6 barrel revolvers were quite common.

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From: se08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Seth Adam Eliot)
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Subject: Rascals: Work beat up AGAIN
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:41:39 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Spoilers, of course











Damn! As soon as the Fernegi walked on the bridge and Worf drew his
phaser I KNEW Work would miss, I KNEW Worf would get shot.

He is a big strong, highly trained and decorated warrior, why won't the
writers ever let him do anything RIGHT?  Does he have to be impoent in
EVERY eipisode that he has a role in?  I supsect it has a lot to do with
hollywood's version of political correctness (it's not NICE to burn
phaser holes in people).

On a similar note, I'm sure glad that Riker never took those dozens of
stratship commands he's been offered -- he's pathetic.  I was shouting
orders long before he was:
>Two birds of prey decloaking:
        SHIELDS!
>They're firing
        PHASERS!
>They're boarding
        SECURITY!

-Seth

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From: kburkert@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Keith Burkert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cloaking devices (Spoilers) Rascals
Date: 8 Nov 92 01:45:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


  Just thought that I would try and end this talk of why the federation
  doesnt use a cloaking device.  If I am not mistaken this subject was 
  discussed extensivly a few months ago.  There were a few conclusions

  1.  The federation is not a military org. (This has been debated) and they
      dont need a cloaking device.  If you accept the idea that the fed is 
      not military and basically and exploratory org. then you wouldnt want
      a cloaking device.  You coming in peace, remember.  Being cloaked also
      sends a very military message to anyone you would meet or discover.

  2.  The cloaking device is only practical for smaller war ships.  The 
      Birds of Prey are definetely not research ships.

  3.  The cloacking device takes up HUGE amounts of energy.  This is fine
      if you a warship since you only need to power the engines, weapons,
      shields, and life support.  I'm sure the enterprise uses a lot more
      energy for all its research and science activities.  Hence a Cloacking
      device would be impractical for a research ship.

  4.  The cloacking device is a very Offensive weapon. The enterprise is only
      supposed to have weapons to defend itself from an attack.

  5.  The enterprise is too big to support a cloaking device.

  6.  The cloacking device would slow up the enterprise and cause a reduction
      in sheild power (mentioned in a above response?)

  7.  As for the 'fire while cloaked' ship, the discussion centered around
      it being a one of a kind experimental ship.  People said that there must
      be plans somewhere and other people responded.  The basic conclusion was
      that this new 'fire while cloaked' device was very unstable and very
      impractical

 Remember this is just what I remember from the discussion a few months ago.
Some of the stuff may contradict itself, but hey thats how threads go. Hope
this helped settle the arguement.  

   Please forgive the spelling errors I hated spelling in school and now I
   worship my spellchecker -- the best invention since sliced bread.

                                                           Keith
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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Fistful of Datas **SPOILERS!!!**
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:00:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <6636@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu>, wesc@ucsb.edu ((Wesley J. Chun)) writes:
> Okay, here are my weekly, brief comments:

> 1. DA flute!

This, I must admit, is an interesting twist.  It at least shows that Picard
was affected by his experience with the probe.  Maybe (now that he's been
turned into a kid and back) he'll even want to have children.  He should
at least start dating Beverly; is the man a monk or what? ;-)

> 1. Worf gets beaten up/shot by a hologram. (difficulty level 4)

So, EVERYONE in the known universe comes along to beat up Worf. ;-)

> 2. Marina...  she can never get a good script, can she?

She got to wear a night gown.  That's her best feature.

> 5. I really didn't like the fact that the computer failed to stop
>     the program at Worf's, Alexander's, or Troi's request.  Just
>     because the computer was flooded with elements from Data's
>     memory shouldn't affect the correct operation of the holodeck.

If General Dynamics designed the computer for Starfleet, I'll bet you'll
also be able to find some 1 million credit hammers on the Enterprise too! ;-)

I would NEVER go into the holodeck with out a real phaser, personal shield
and a communicator.  The d*mn think is ALWAYS breaking down and there's no
off button on any of the walls.  At least you should be able to pull the plug
on it if nothing else.  How about being able to beam out of the holodeck?

Naaaaa!  They can't think of any of these things in the 24th century because
they are all brain dead.

>     (They really need to redesign that thing.)  One of the three
>     should have also called for the arch.  (Even Prof. Moriarty
>     can do it!!	 :)

Yea, whatever happened to the arch?

Terry
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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Fistful of Datas *SPOILERS*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:29:13 GMT

jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Gad) writes:
:)Hmmm....Considering how BAD this could have been, I'm pleasently surprised.
:)But first, ye old ^L.....


:)Last chance, hit 'n' now or forever hold your peace.


:)Hey, that wasn't bad.   Alexander wasn't annoying, and Troi was decent,
:)bordering on GOOD.  Worf managed to show that he wasn't as incompetant as

I think the purpose of "Man of the People" was to show us just how annoying
Troi can be so we appreciate her more in other episodes, like this one.  :)

:)Positive:
:)* It was nice to see Picard playing the flute he got in Inner Light.  It was
:)  about time TNG showed some (heaven help me!) CONTINUITY!  Now, if we can
:)  only get the bugs from Conspiracy...

Or keep Troi and Alexander on the non-annoying side.  :)

:)* Besides being well acted for once, Troi even mentioned her human father.
:)  With all the attention that Deanna's mother gets, its nice to see that 
:)  Troi's father had some impact on her childhood.

I think it was the only thing keeping her sane.  :)

(Basically, I agree with everything you said, but I really hate when peole
post an article filled with "Yeah, I agree")

*wonders how many people will now follow up to this with "Yeah, I agree" or
"Me too"*

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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: "True Q" Thoughts (was Amanda!)
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:26:39 GMT

> Remember that the Qs are portrayed as omnipotent, NOT omniscient (if I
> remember correctly). Sure, their power enables them to have access to every
> piece of information in the universe that they can target, but when Q says
> "I have a QI of 2600" this means he's clearly limited on the omniscient
> PoV.

Don't you mean an IQ of 2005 instead of a QI of 2600? Anyway any IQ over 300
is not very meaningful to us because we do not know what that would denote.
A person with a 200 IQ is way smarter than 2 people working together with
100 IQ's. We saw that Barclay when transformed in the episode, "To the Nth
degree" has an IQ in the range 1200-1450 before merging with the computer.
He seemed damn smart then and Q is supposed to have an IQ of 555-805 higher
than even that! 

I guess it could be argued that there can be a race more intelligent than
the Q, yet less powerful...However, I think if they are so much smarter they
will find a way to protect themself.
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Worf, the Klingon Punching Bag...
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:50:38 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In the referenced article, hunter@quake.sylmar.ca.us (James Collins) writes:
>Out of curiosity, has anyone counted the number of time the natural 
>warrior Worf got plastered, crushed, beaten to a pulp, or zapped with 
>miscellaneous weapons?  

  Hmm, it seems to me that all Klingons are pretty wimpy.  I mean,
whenever the Klingons have come up against the Feds in the past,
THEY'VE ALWAYS LOST.
  We have a phrase over here ... 'all mouth and no trousers' - I think
that just about sums it up.  They're so busy going on about how they
are hunters, warriors, and invincable that when it comes down to it,
they're pretty useless really.
  It sounds like they're always covering up for the fact that THEY
ALWAYS LOSE, so it's no suprise to me that Worf is always being
beaten up, zapped and humiliated ... as he keeps on reminding us,
he's a KLINGON ...

  Give me a race of warrior Tribbles anyday!!

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From: delledg@uts.cc.wayne.edu (DeVaughn Elledge)
Subject: Re: I Borg{==}Vendetta
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit Mich.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:25:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.114803.1303@dct.ac.uk> bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk writes:
>
>Is it just me or are there similarities between "I Borg" (which i havent seen,
>only read a synopsis of) and the novel "Vendetta"?????
>
>Crew find borg trooper
>
>crew bring borg trooper on ship
>
>geordi tries to be friends...
>g.

 I disagree.. If anything I believe that Vendetta opens up more into the 
world of the M, Or Guinan's people. Although, the book and the episode have
simularites as far as the BORG are concerned. It is most understandable that
the BORG would try to communicate at most with Geordi because of his simularity
to them. But I think the book dwells more on Guinan, Picard, and Vendetta ( an
M), and also the Cubes, than the single BORG.

IMHO,

P.S. I think Troi's is bigger in this book than in I Borg!!
   
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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Sux
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:42:15 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <101586@bu.edu>, shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu (Sergey Shimkevich) writes:

> So far, I am very disappointed with the new season. A cliche Scotty episode
> (it was OK, actually), then the cheap horror flick and now "Rascals" (yuck!).

Hey, don't fergit the Barclay episode where they made fun of Reg for being
afraid of the transporter.  "There hasn't been an accident in years" they
tell him.  THEN they turn the Captain into a snot-nosed version of Wesley
Crusher. ;-)

It's been a GREAT season! ;-)  They MUST be spending the money on Deep Space 9.
But what if it's a turkey too?


Terry
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From: K1N2 <K1N2@UNB.CA>
Subject: R.A.S.Creative Request
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:53:36 GMT

Hi! I don't get rec.arts.startrek.creative, and I never even knew
it existed until I heard a reference to it in ras.misc.  My
university is in control of what user-groups we are allowed to read,
and I would really really like to see what kind of things are
posted in rec.arts.startrek.creative.

Could someone send me some posts from there? My email address is
k1n2@unb.ca .

-Thanks in advance,
Aphoriel/Kinsman
From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Rascals: What a Joke!
Date: 8 Nov 92 11:25:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov8.112504.23182
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)

In article <1992Nov8.030418.27090@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> gvelden@ccs.northeastern.edu (George E Van Dervelden) writes:
>Enterprise firing back until shield loss. I would also blame the producers
>who apparently are too cheap too add a few new FX and only used recycled
>clips.

  Now, now.  "Rascals" was hardly a cinematic triumph, and did use too much
  improbable stock footage, but remember how much new FX were created for 
  "Relics."  'Too cheap' and 'unwilling' are not words I'd use to describe
  the TNG SFX folks:  'Unable' -- given how much of the budget went into 
  "Relics" -- might fit better.

>I guess when Picard became smaller his cloths also went through that change
>as well as his artificial heart. Oh well, sorry to be complaining for all

  OUCH!  I'd forgotten about the heart!  OwOwOwOw...  One more painful blunder
  in this episode...  I've said it before; I'll say it again:  "*What* con-
  tinuity?"
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From: janet@indetech.com (Janet Christian)
Subject: Re: Gilligan's Island --> ST:TNG
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:24:25 GMT

In response to someone's comment about a Star Trek Gilligan's Island
being better than Rascals, here you go:

Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip.
That started from this starbase port aboard this mighty ship.
The mate was a mighty sailor man, the skipper brave and sure.
Five passengers took flight that day for a three year tour,
a three year tour (Boom! of colliding asteroids)

The cosmos started getting rough, the mighty ship was tossed.
If not for the courage of the fearless crew the Enterprise would be lost,
the Enterprise would be lost.

The ship wound up at a distant point now known as Deep Space Nine 
With Gilligan (Riker), the Skipper, too (Picard), 
a millionaire (Q) and his wife (Vash).
A movie star (Troi), the professor (Data) and MaryAnn (Crusher). 
Here on Gilligan's Nine!

So this is the tale of our castaways, they're here for a long, long time.
They'd like to make the best of things; it's an uphill climb.
The first mate and his skipper, too, will do their very best
to make the others comfortable in the distant planet nest.

No comm! No lights! No holodeck! Not a single luxery.
Like Robinson Caruso, it's primitive as can be.
So join us here each week my friends, you're sure to get a smile
From seven stranded castaways, here on Gilligan's Nine!

[Ever wonder why Ginger had a trunk full of clothes and the Howles had so
much stuff if they were on a tiny ship for a 3 hour tour?]

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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What is an Okudagram?
Keywords: Okudagram
Date: 6 Nov 92 06:18:20 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1dcqoqINNbap@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, bylsma@unixg (Dieder A. Bylsma) writes:
>Could someone tell me what an Okudagram is?

Mike Okuda is one of the people who work on TNG.  If you watched the 25th
anniversary special, you would've seen that one of his jobs is to come
up with the computer displays we see in various shots.

By common usage, these graphic displays are called Okudagrams.

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From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko)
Subject: Re: Blooper in Rascals?  *minor SPOILERS*
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:19:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.200657.8711@ac.dal.ca> 01lucas@ac.dal.ca writes:

[stuff vaporized]

>Rascals was better than I'd feared, but not up to TNG standards.  The kids were 
>good actors, especially Picard, and extra especially Ro (she even looked like 
>the real Ro).  Next week looks worse.  The ending shot of Data shooting at "us"
>in slow motion with that evil look on his face made me laugh.
>

Huh? I haven't seen this, but is this now the 'first person perspective
view of a phaser shot'? I remember someone asking for one after
a first person perspective view of transporting was shown...

TNG offices DO read this newsgroup, OR this is just another funny
coincidence... or I'm just a bit crazy :-)

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From: Todd_Petit@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Todd Petit)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Rascals (No Spoilers, only complaints)
Distribution: world
Date: 7 Nov 92 19:21:27 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

I have always subscribed to the belief that we should only accept as canon
what was on film...and that anything on film couldn't be disregarded out of
hand.

Because I believe this--and because they actually made "Rascals"--we must
find some way to destroy all copies of this episode and thus retain the
integrity of "Star Trek" :^).

This is, without a doubt, the stupidest episode of "Star Trek" since
"Spock's Brain."

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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Trekkies vs. Trekkers
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:30:42 GMT

In article <1dkdfpINNm4d@cs.widener.edu> SBARNETT@tattoo.cs.widener.edu (Scott Barnett) writes:
>Hi Everyone,
>   I am currently writing an ethnography for my Anthropology class and would
>be gratefull if some could answer a question for me.  What is the difference
>between a Trekkie and a Trekker?  Thanks.
>
>

Trekkies are fanatics, Trekkers are serious-minded fans.   :)

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