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Subject: Bhakti- The Easy Way Out (2)
From: ahudli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (anand hudli)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:30:53 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

 A Bhakta or devotee worships the personal form 
 of God in His various Avatars such as Rama, Nrsimha,
 Varaha, etc. According to the Bhagavata belief, Krishna 
 is the Original God from whom all  Avatars emanate. 

   Ete Camshakalah Pumsah
   Krishnas Tu Bhagavan Svayam | 
    Bhagavata 1.3.28

 Whenever God descends as an Avatar for the welfare of
 the world, He partakes of the nature of the species in
 which He is born. When He is born as a human, He acts 
 just like an ordinary human. Fools and atheists are 
 misled into believing that He is no God but only an 
 ordinary person. Krishna speaks of this in the Gita,

 Avajananti Mam Mudha Manushim Tanumashritam 
 Param Bhavamajananto Mama Bhutamaheshvaram ||

 Fools disregard Me as one clad in human form 
 without knowing My transcendental nature and 
 that I am the lord of all beings. 
                         Gita 9.11

 The Mahatmas, or great souls, are ones who seek
 the shelter of the divine nature. Krishna speaks of 
 their characteristics. 

 Constantly reciting My glories, steadfast in vows,
 bowing before Me, the devotees are always engaged in 
 My worship.  Gita 9.14 

 Four types of pious people worship Me, Arjuna - 
 the person in distress, the person desiring wealth,
 the inquisitive person and the person in search of
 knowledge of Me.  Gita 7.16

 Of such worshippers, the one who seeks knowledge of 
 Me through devotion (bhakti) is the best. He is 
 dear to Me and I am very dear to him. Gita 7.17  

 All these (four types of) people are great souls.
 But the person seeking knowledge of Me is considered
 by Me to be My very Self. After gaining knowledge of Me,
 he reaches Me, the highest goal.  Gita 7.18
 
 So it is always beneficial to worship Krishna, even if
 one's initial motive is material benefits, freedom from 
 distress or just curiousity. 

 (to be continued)

 Anand
 ahudli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

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From: editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu (digest editor)
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Subject: Missing Posting?
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Dear Subscriber,

If your posting has not appeared on alt.hindu,
please send it again.  We have not rejected any
posting yet (except a couple of one liners).

One posting which we posted but did not appear
(at least at our site) was about Hindu Fundamentalism.
Would the poster please send it again?

Thank you very much,

Editors, alt.hindu

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From: keshav@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Bhat)
Subject: The Concept of Devotion - I
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THE CONCEPT OF DEVOTION - THE GITA WAY.
Several modes of God realization are described in the Gita - Jnana Yoga,
Karma Yoga, Dhyana Yoga, and Bhakti Yoga. A reader of the Gita cannot but
carry the impression that Bhakti Yoga is the pervasive doctrine in the Gita.
Bhakti is a form of love for God.

It is not within the capacity of all men to acquire metaphysical knowledge, 
with logical acumen form an erudite understanding of the scriptures.The path of
karma and dhyana are not generallywithin the reach of the average man with 
highly distrated mind.

Bhakti or love are of different kinds, resulting from attachments - between
man and women, between friends, between parents and children, between masters
and students - all of them based on some conditions. There is reciprocal duty 
in the aforesaid relations. God-love is is not one among other loves. The man 
who loves God with all his heart and soul is called a devotee. Bhakti in the 
Gita is sandwiched between Jnana and Vairagya (knowledge and dispassion).
Bhakti involves conern for others. Devotion is not a holy act confined to
a few hours a day seeking individual salvation, not running away fdiom social 
agonies   to mountain tops nor is it the expression of the disorderly mind
of an intemprate imagination. The Bhakti of the Gita is backed by moral 
consideration : 
                vIta rAga bhaya krodhA manmayA mAmupAsritAh |
                bahavo jnAnatapasA pUtA madbhAva mAgatAh  (Gita IV 10)

"Freed from passion anger, and fear, absorbed in the Lord, seeking refuge
in Him, purified by the fire of knowledge they come to Me"

Jnana and bhakti are not quite seperate things. Jnana is a part of bhakti.
None would love God without knowing His excellence, His infinite attributes
His flawless personality, His accessibility, His supreme concern for humanity.

It is this knowledge that draws the soul of man towards Him. With the onset of
reflection, man feels that there is nothing tht he has, which is not a gift 
from God.

The benefactions recieved from God are infinite and it is only the ingrate
that would not recognise it. In the ninth chapter of the Gita, Krsna eulogises
the great value of bhakti. It gives saving knowledge not dry information.
Bhakti is the secret and sure door to better living and ultimately to the 
Lord.

To be continued...


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From: rkrithiv@sedona.intel.com (Ramamurthy Krithivas)
Subject: Swami Vivekananda: On Hinduism
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Article from: Tattva Darsana
Titled : Swami Vivekananda's Mission

Published by: Sister Nivedita Academy
              118 Big Street, Triplicane
              Madras: 600 005

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                   On Hinduism
                   -----------

The vast complexus of systems which made up Hinduism, was in every case
based upon the experimental realisation of religion, and characterized
by an infinite inclusiveness. The only tests of conformity ever imposed
by the priesthood had been social, and while this has resulted in a 
great rigidity of custom, it implied that to their thinking the mind was
eternally free. But it could not be disputed that the thought area 
within Hinduism, as actually realised, had been coloured by the
acumulation of a few distinctive ideas, and these were the main subjects
of the Swami's Address before the Parliament of Religions, at Chicago,
in 1983. 

First of these special conceptions, with which India might be said to be
identified, was that of the cyclic nature of the cosmos. On the relation
of the creator and created, as equal elements in a dualism which can
never be more than a relative truth, Hinduism has a profound philosophy,
which Vivekananda, with his certanity of grasp, was able to set forth in
a few brief words. The next doctrine which he put forward, as
distinctive of India thought in general, was that of reincarnation and
karma, ending in the manifestation of the divine nature of man. And
finally universality of truth, whatever the form of thought or worship,
completed his enumeration of these secondary differentia. In a few clear
sentences, he had completely established the unity, and delineated the
salient features of Hinduism. The remainder of his work in the West was,
in the main, a free gift in the modern and universal forms, of the great
inspirations contained in the Eternal faith. To him as a religious
teacher, the whole world was India, and man, everywhere a member of his
fold. 

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Krithi

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From: GSR Gopal <gopal@geog.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: Budhism and Hinduism
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>> 

>	Buddhism was very much part of Hinduism. 

>	Buddhism very much flourished in India as long as it was not
>	corrupted by outside influence.

>	is the reason why Buddhism could not survive in
>	India. 


	buddhism is NOT extinct from inidan main scene. buddhism as an
	"ism" never flourished. that is as a religion it never existed.
	for that matter, the word religion is alien to indians. only the
	word dharma was in vogue. dharma roughly means jurisprudence, or
	may mean  a desirable of way of life. even today  the principles of
	ahimsa propounded by buddha are still more vedic than vedas.
	any great preacher is accepted by indians -- whatever his own leanings
	may be. for instance, the darga near mahalakshmi temple in bombay is
	visited by most "hindus". i have used quotes, because, in none of
	our ancient scriptures there is mention of a word called religion.
    this partially explains the reason for conspicuous absence of 
	missionary conversions into 'hinduism'


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From: mukesh@foundation.HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mukesh Prasad)
Subject: Buddhism, Dharma
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From: mukesh@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mukesh Prasad)
Subject: Re: Buddhism / Karma Dzong
Keywords: Buddhism, Dharma
Reply-To: mukesh@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mukesh Prasad)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:29:09 GMT

In article <880478s.5.726329175@axe.acadiau.ca> 880478s@axe.acadiau.ca (CHARLES LEONARD STRICKLAND) writes:
> As a student of comparative religion, most importantly those of the Indian 
> Religious tradition I have recently come into close contact with the 
> Vajrayana Buddhist sangha known as Karma Dzong. They were founded by the 
> late Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche and are based in Halifax, Nova Scotia. My 
> question to anyone who can tell me; is their practice of the Dharma 
> reputable and respected by those Buddhists outside of that particular 
> sangha - i.e. Theravadans, Zen practitioners et. al.
> 

I had good experience with this branch.  Like most Buddhists,
the greatest emphasis is on meditation.  I was not very
impressed by the theology, however, which includes
fearful methaphors like "The Hungry Ghosts" and such.

On the positive side, in my dealings, I found they were
very well adapted to America.  They had "Bhajans" (I forget
the Buddhist word) in English with tunes that generated
the religious feeling.  The meditation techniques
also seemed well suited to the culture.

   /Mukesh


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From: Hinduism Today <0002928827@mcimail.com>
Subject: Request for information: Four Maths
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Attn:  ~Hindu Digest
Request for information
Namaste:
We are looking for persons who are familiar with the four maths
established by Adi Sankara in the 8th century for a story we are
doing for Hinduism Today. We would like to hear from anyone who is
familiar with any of the four: Badrinath, Puri, Dvaraka or Sringeri.
Also we'd like to know about resource material, such as books. 
Please contact over internet at 0002928827@mcimail.com, or phone to
510/827-0237. We are in a bit of a rush for this information.
Aum
Arumugaswami
Managing Editor
Hinduism Today newspaper



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From: editor@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu (digest editor)
Subject: Error in Posting Previous Article -Editor
Organization: Univ of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:26:37 GMT


Dear Readers,


Due to an error on my part, previous posting contains 
two individual and separate articles.  I will repost
both of them separately so as to do justice to both 
the posters.  My apologies for any inconvenience.

-Editor,

alt.hindu
From: raj@sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov (Raj Ramlagan)
Subject: History of Hinduism.
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I've heard a couple of African American historians mention 
mankind originated in Africa, and the migration of these peoples to
other parts of the world formed other religions and cultures.  They
claim the story of Christ is rooted in Africa and was modified by the
people who migrated to Europe.  Similarly they claim Hinduism
originated in Africa. As an example they have pointed out the Hindu
symbol of the cow originated in Africa, this supposedly is documented
on some of the pyramids in Egypt.

My question is where did Hinduism originate?  Where did the original
people of India come from?.

Thanks
Raj

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From: lyeh@alleg.edu (Hun Lye)
Subject: Siddha Yoga 
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Can anyone out there give me some information regarding the late Swami  
Muktananda's succesors, i.e. Chidvalsananda (probably got the name wrong  
but she is known as Guru Mayi to her followers)) and Nityananada?  I know  
that Guru Mayi is incharge of Ganeshpuri now and has taken over the Siddha  
Yoga organisation.  What do people think about Guru Mayi's tradition and  
group?  Please e-mail me or anything!

Thanks.

Om Shanthi,

Hun

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From: newsmgr@mala.bc.ca
Subject: Summary II: Information about Vedic Mathematics
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From: 880478s@axe.acadiau.ca (CHARLES LEONARD STRICKLAND)
Subject:  Buddhism / Karma Dzong
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As a student of comparative religion, most importantly those of the Indian 
Religious tradition I have recently come into close contact with the 
Vajrayana Buddhist sangha known as Karma Dzong. They were founded by the 
late Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche and are based in Halifax, Nova Scotia. My 
question to anyone who can tell me; is their practice of the Dharma 
reputable and respected by those Buddhists outside of that particular 
sangha - i.e. Theravadans, Zen practitioners et. al.

I have considered further involvement with this community but am wary due to 
many of the rumours which I have heard over the last few years. If any 
further details could be sent my way I would be most pleased

				In Peace
				Charles Strickland

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Subject: Happy New Year
 "digest editor" at Dec 22, 92 9:20 pm
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From: tripunit@algol.cs.psu.edu (Mahesh V Tripunitara)
Subject: Buddhism in India
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I have been cursorily following the posts regarding Buddhism in India. It has
been mentioned that invading Muslims often massacred the peaceful Buddhists
and that at some point in time Buddhism "merged" with Hinduism. I have in
fact read that many Hindu kings have persecuted Buddhists. One person that
comes to mind is the king Krishna (I am not referring to Lord Krishna).
This Krishna was probably one of the kings of the Vijayanagara empire...a
descendant of the illustrious Hakka, Bukka and Krishna Deva Raya. I
recall reading that he destroyed many Buddhist stupas & texts too.

Mahesh.

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From: malaviya@borneo.gmd.de (Ashutosh Malaviya - FUZZY)
Subject: Re: Buddhism in India
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In article <C0D2xL.L4G@cs.psu.edu>, you write:

|> I have been cursorily following the posts regarding Buddhism in India. It
|> has
|> been mentioned that invading Muslims often massacred the peaceful Buddhists
|> and that at some point in time Buddhism "merged" with Hinduism. I have in
|> fact read that many Hindu kings have persecuted Buddhists. One person that
|> comes to mind is the king Krishna (I am not referring to Lord Krishna).
|> This Krishna was probably one of the kings of the Vijayanagara empire...a
|> descendant of the illustrious Hakka, Bukka and Krishna Deva Raya. I
|> recall reading that he destroyed many Buddhist stupas & texts too.
|> 
|> Mahesh.
|>

It is not correct that Budhism has merged into hinduism. Buddha is the 9th
incarnation of bhagwan Vishnu. So there is no question of merging. And as far 
as a seperate identity of buddhism is concerned, it is there. There are a
number of budhists in country. Rahul Sankratyayan a well known scholar,
traveller and author is budhist. 
Its very amazing to know about Krishna from Vijaynagar empire, who destroyed 
the budhist stupas and texts.

Anyways at this stage of world ashanti, it is really high time, that budhism,
hinduism in its good form, should be revived. 

Ashutosh 

 


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Subject: Zen and Dannyism
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                   WHAT DO YOU THINK?

   "Every Everyday fact
          of Science or Common Sense
    is a Window
          into the Unknown Source
    of All Things."
                                             Cyberpunk Pouggie
                                             January 8th, 1993
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Biography archival effort.

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From: forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu (Eric Forbis )
Subject: Re: Hinduism and Budhism
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In article <u7egvpo@zola.esd.sgi.com> murgesh@rendezvous.esd.sgi.com (Murgesh Navar) writes:
>In article <forb0004.162.724922311@student.tc.umn.edu>, forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu writes:
>> considered Hindu interests as my own. Having heard many times that Buddhism 
>> did not flourish in India, I was surprised to learn that it once had been a 
>> popular religion-- and shocked to learn how it had fallen in the massacres 
>> by the invading Moslems, who decreed death for these unbelievers. Millions 
>> were slaughtered, Hindu as well as Buddhist. Hindu and Buddhist religious 
>> sites were desecrated and claimed for the invaders.
>> 
>	This is just not true. There were a lot of attrocities committed by 
>invading muslim hordes. But, those were not the reason for decline of 
>Buddhism. After Ashoka and the Kanishka and the Mauryan Empires came a the 
>Guptas founded by Chandragupta II. During the reign of the Guptas Hinduism 
>absorbed all of the principles of Buddhism and Jainism and therefore was 
>able to resuurect itself and Buddhism died a natural death in India. Infact 
>most Hindus would not distinguish between Buddhism and Hinduism. Bu message 
>was considered one more path to 
>salvation.>>						-murgesh>

Hmmm... This is almost what we were taught-- or perhaps I should more 
accurately say "remember", since my text's in a box somewhere. Buddhism was 
absorbed by Hinduism, and Hinduism regained its vigor and popularity by the 
400's. But Buddhism didn't die out completely, or so I thought; didn't it 
remain popular in some aristocratic circles, until removed by Moslems? 

With 20-20 hindsight I wish that I hadn't mentioned Buddhism, which is 
really beside the point. The Moslem faith was imposed on India with great 
violence; there is no compelling reason why Hindu's should accept the 
expelling of their own religion from their own religious sites. 

Reminds me of the U.S. Supreme Court's recent decision on the use of peyote 
by the Native American Church, disallowing its use. American Indians have 
been using peyote in their religious rituals dating back to at least 1700BC; 
why they should accept the dictum of a bunch of Christian judges is beyond 
me. It's an unjust imposition, and shouldn't stand.

---------

Eric Forbis      forb0004@student.tc.umn.edu

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From: kak@max.ee.lsu.edu (Dr. S. Kak)
Subject: Vishwa Vivek
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