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From: ray.normandeau@factory.com (Ray Normandeau) 
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: US D HOUSING & URBAN DEV
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: ray.normandeau@factory.com (Ray Normandeau) 


The Queensbridge Tenant Council, which represents tenants in the
largest US Department of Housing and Urban Development funded public
housing project in the USA is soliciting via E-Mail complaints from
other public housing project tenants (and tenant groups) in the USA
who feel that problems with their local PHA (Public Housing Agency)
are not being properly investigated by HUD.

Thank you,
Ray Normandeau

E-Mail Internet: ray.normandeau@factory.com
Press Secretary for Queensbridge Tenant Council *
P O Box 854, Times Square Station, New York, NY 10108-0854

* In Queensbridge Houses, where tenants demand an investigation of
HUD Region II
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:33 PDT
Subject: Re: Somalia
Nf-ID: #R:yTuBqB1w164w@oneb.almanac.bc.ca:1059734793:cdp:1296500324:000:1550
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 30 14:33:00 1992


Dear John Cross:

The conference soc.culture.african is full of information and discussion
about Somalia.  It is a pressing interest of several of the people on
peacenet and Internet and we would be happy to email you additional information
on the subject.

A list of action materials is available for people who wish to communicate
with the UN, the european community, or the US (or various missions of
various countries to the UN) about the Somalia question.

The present status is that things are looking up, but I personally want
to keep very close watch, lest everything "roll back downhill again."
The 145,000 tons of food announced by President Bush for Somalia will not
really get there until December, and so other sources must be located for
the massive shipments needed to keep 1.5 million or more from starving
in the next few weeks.  The World Food Program is shipping in 5000 tons
over a period of time.

The Internatioal Committee for the Red Cross estimates the present need
to be 60,000 tons of food a month.  They've been making do(!) with
20,000 tons.

We ask all interested persons to write various goverment officials and
request that massive shipments of food, medical supplies, blankets and
clothing begin immediately (this is sort of happening, but doesn't hurt
to say that we want it) and *continue without lessening or interruption
until the Somalian population is out of danger.*

There has been a history of starting and stopping aid to Somalia, and we
don't want to repeat that.

Thanks for your interest.
Dorothy Morse.

Xref: sparky alt.activism:15912 talk.politics.misc:43710 soc.culture.latin-america:3297
From: harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Who Were the "Contras" ? (III)
Date: 4 Sep 92 06:22:05 GMT
Organization: misc.activism.progressive on UseNet ; ACTIV-L@UMCVMB

Who Were the "Contras" ? (III)

"FDN [contra] units would arrive at an undefended village, assemble
all the residents in the town square and then proceed to kill -- in
full view of the others -- all persons suspected of working for the
Nicaraguan Government or the F.S.L.N., including police, local militia
members, party members, health workers, teachers, and farmers from
government-sponsored cooperatives.

"In this atmosphere, it was not difficult to persuade those
able-bodied men left alive to [join the contras] This was,
unfortunately, a widespread practice that accounted for many
recruits."
        --Former Contra Director Edgar Chamorro, in his Affidavit to
        the World Court.

Page 117 in:
_Washington's War on Nicaragua_, by Holly Sklar.
1988, South End Press, Boston.
[South End Press, 300 Raritan Center Parkway, Edison, NJ 08818]
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Xref: sparky alt.activism:15528 soc.women:15844
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Somalia
From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 09:11:33 PDT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.
Summary: where to find out more info

Hello, out there in "activist" land.  Is there a more appropriate
area for queries on Somalia?  I just thought that with all this
diverse information available on just about any subject that you can
name, that there would be some discussion and info avialable on what
is happening is Somalia... any suggestions... cheers and thanx

           jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross)
     The Old Frog's Almanac  (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)    
(604) 245-3205 (v32)    <Public Access UseNet>    (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)
        Vancouver Island, British Columbia    Waffle XENIX 1.64
From: bud@mtek.com (Bud Hovell)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Adopt a BBS
Keywords: democratize democratic democracy
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:27:55 GMT
Reply-To: bud@mtek.com
Distribution: na
Organization: MTEK International, Inc.

bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:


>     Adopt a BBS
>     ===========

>Although there is a wealth of fine articles continually 
>being posted on this "net," this information does not get out to 
>the general public. Hence, by the nature of the technological 
>setup through which this vitally important information is 
>disseminated, we are talking about an elitist, undemocratic 
>distribution system.

We are talking about an elitist, unequally distributed system that
is *voluntarily* supported by the people who distribute it.

It is no more subject to criticism as "undemocratic" than might be,
for example, the New York Times, the Sun Valley PTA, the Masonic
Order of Ames, Nebraska, or the best little whorehouse in Texas.
Democracy (in the restrictive American sense) is a concept that is
as null and void in the context of Usenet as in the finest private
establishment in Texas.

Many of the taxpaying American public, once exposed, would likely
consider the absence of this "wealth" from their lives to be a
feature, not a bug. It does, after all, require rather a strong
stomach (combined with a focussed -- if narrow -- mind) to sit and
read much of the copious bilge that daily slops from one end of
the usenet to the other. Do you really want *your* Mom reading
this awful stuff? :-) :-) :-) :-)

P. T. Barnum once made a remark to the effect that no one would
ever go broke underestimating the bad taste of the American public,
and it may be that the usenet could conceivably replace TV as the
most-favored form of mindless entertainment in the American home.
So I *could* be entirely wrong about all this.
-- 
________________________________________________________________
bud@mtek.com ... uunet!m2xenix!mtek!bud ... bud@rigel.cs.pdx.edu
MTEK International, Inc.             Throughput Technology Corp.
Walk the talk.
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: bladex@wixer.cactus.org (David Smith)
Subject: Clinton ftp site
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 04:45:28 GMT



One of my friends starting ranting and raving about how much information was
stored at a "Clinton ftp site", how wonderful it was, and how he wished he
could remember where it was, since he deleted the file.   <shakes head>

Can someone please send me the address for the site?   Also, has the George
Bush campaign done anything similar yet?

Thanks!

-- 
| Cyberspace: The Narcotic of Choice for the 90's | this space left
| bladex@wixer.cactus.org                         | unintentionally
--------------------------------------------------- blank..........
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: rchilder@us.oracle.com (Richard Childers)
Subject: Re: genocide (was: "ethnic cleansing")
Organization: Memes-R-Us
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:10:45 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

mrmu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marianne Mueller) writes:

>Seriously, the West can do something, and I wonder if anyone in the
>bay area is trying to jump up and down and demand that something
>decent and humane and loving be done, now, quick. 
>
>If anything is going on, please post to alt.activism.  Thanks. 

I've thought about going there on my vacation ... not with a camera, but
with medical supplies and a dictionary ...

... might be easier if several people went together. Interested, anyone ?

-- richard

-- 
-- richard childers		rchilder@us.oracle.com		1 415 506 2411
         oracle data center  --  unix systems & network administration

			Klein flask for rent. Inquire within.
Xref: sparky alt.activism:15876 talk.politics.misc:43458 soc.culture.latin-america:3280
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Who Were the "Contras" ? (IV)
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:49:30 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

In <1992Sep2.201418.20310@iti.org>Allen W. Sherzer writes:

>Now Harel, America's Watch also said that the Sandinsitas where
>engaged in a strategy of terrorism with its own death squads. So do you
>condem the Sandinsita abuses which where qualitatively the same in every
>respect?

No more need to read the reports.  In "Portada" (Univision's equivalent of 60 
minutes) you could listen and see in living color the testimonies of peaseants 
who witnessed Sandinista death squads at work in their community.  The peasants 
stated that the Sandinistas came in without identification and stated they were 
Contras.  The were greeted by the peasants and given shelter.  When a group of 
real Contras came around the village, they were rounded up, shot and dumped in 
a ditch which they had asked the peseants to dig.  Later, peaseant families who 
had simpathized with the undercover Sandinistas acting as Contras were also 
executed and thrown in the pit. The only survivors were a coulple of families 
which luckily weren't in the vecinity and the cooks of the Sandinista death 
squad.  Today, Chamorro's government has refused to bring justice against these 
and other murderers,  and even worse: their leader said that he was working 
under the order of Sandinista General Tomas Borge.  Borges refuses to comment 
on the case, and simply talks about the "excesses" commited during the war, 
just as they happen in "any other war".  So knowing how apologetic and faithul 
Harel has been with Sandinista, he certainly won't recognize the existence of 
DEATH SQUADS operating for the FSLN and would certainly agree that they are 
"excesses" or random casualties of war, just as Gen. Borge implies.  Well, lets 
not speculate on what Harel thinks and let him answer for himself with less 
than/more than arguments of human rights violations.

Edelmiro Salas
From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: FORUM: Anti-Labor Bias in Media (Sept 9, San Francisco)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:08:32 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <9208312026.AA22371@poly.math.cornell.edu>, 
 harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
>                      LABOR EDUCATIONAL FORUM  
>   
>                    Wednesday September 9,1992 
>   
>   
>           ANTI-LABOR BIAS, COMMUNICATIONS AND THE MEDIA  
>   
>                           PRESENTATIONS  
>                                BY  
>   
>                "FAIR" NATIONAL ORGANIZING DIRECTOR  
>                           KIM DETERLINE  
>                                 &  
>                   BAY AREA FAIR REPRESENTATIVE  
>                           STEVE RHODES  
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^

     I always wondered what happened to him after he left
"MARRIED...WITH CHILDREN." :-)
  
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: "Lies Work"
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:47:57 GMT

eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes:
: 
: I second the motion that Friedman take some remedial reading lessons.
: This gaffe on his part is especially pointed, considering his remarks
: (to me) in article <1992Aug29.230744.19538@oracle.us.oracle.com>:
: 
:            > Mark, read the damned post before you reply.  
: 
: Neo-con, heal thyself.
: 

I think the froth coming out of his mouth all the time must get in his
eyes.


Kathy
Xref: sparky alt.activism:15486 alt.conspiracy:10307
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Harel posts a particularly clumsy lie.  (Was Re: "STRONG FAMILY VALUES" (III) (1))
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:52:44 GMT

In article <t8tpbzjf@csv.warwick.ac.uk> csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~) writes:
>As for the hot air crack, I always take it as a good sign that I'm on the
>right track when someone who disagrees resorts to personal abuse. It's a
>typical response from those who know they hold the moral low ground...

This does not follow.  And not just in an abstract logical sense.

I'm sure that if you were to walk up calmly to an audience of Jews and say
that there was no Holocaust, you would get quite a bit of personal abuse.
Does that mean you'd be on the right track?  (In fact, that's _exactly_ what
B-CPU did when it was still on the net.)

Or for another example, if I were Chinese and made derogatory remarks about
George Bush for supporting the regime in China, would that mean that George
Bush is right?
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Lies"Lies Work"
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 14:52:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug30.061126.27282@iti.org>

In article <1992Aug29.201427.16408@news.ysu.edu> ae277@yfn.ysu.edu (Stewart Row
e) writes:

>Clinton's aides said that the correct count was 59 times; on the same
>criteria, they said, Bush had raised taxes 327 times.

A plague on both their houses.


    Alan T. Furman         | VOTE LIBERTARIAN!!  Marrou/Lord in 92!!
---------------------------+----------------------------------------
  atfurman@cup.portal.sig  |   (800)682-1776 for more information
Xref: sparky alt.activism:15439 talk.politics.misc:41914 misc.headlines:5955
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: ELECTIONS 92: Clinton/Gore on Labor
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:25:27 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Followup-To: alt.activism
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <9209030134.AA11705@poly.math.cornell.edu> harelb@MATH.CORNELL.EDU (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>    "Bill Clinton is committed to the rights of working men and women
>    to organize and bargain collectively, and supports the repeal of
>    Section 14b of the Taft-Hartley Act to create a level playing
>    field between labor and management.
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

>                     CLINTON/GORE ON LABOR 

 [... much deleted ...]

>            ....                Bill Clinton is 
>committed to the rights of working men and women to 
>organize and bargain collectively, and supports the 
>repeal of Section 14b of the Taft-Hartley Act to 
>create a level playing field between labor and 
>management. 

Amazing.  Its the 1950's all over again. 

I can remember when the repeal of 14b was a *major* part of every 
Democratic platform, with prominent mention from the podium during 
every convention.  It has been a long time since that issue has been 
mentioned nationally, and this is the first mention of I have heard 
of it in the campaign.  Good thing, too, since it would hurt the 
campaign badly in the South. 

In Florida, for example, right-to-work is part of the state constitution, 
not just a law.  A Federal Law in conflict with a State Constitution 
would raise all kinds of interesting issues for the Supreme Court. 

I also assume that Arkansas is a right-to-work state.  This is just 
asking for trouble -- I can see the Republicans running ads with 
concerned Arkansas citizens objecting .....

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:39:53 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <Btwzr8.Jwq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Blue Rage) writes:
>In article <adams.715369517@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>>
>>I guess that because Socrates, Plato, Freud, etc, etc. are white, that
>>makes them irrelevent?  Is Jesus Christ just another dead white male?
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	Uh, no.  Not white.  But dead.
>
>	Y'oughta reconsider the little pictures they show you in your
>white oriented Sunday school books, no?

  I suppose this is a matter of definition.   Presumably Jesus was 
  Semitic, which is at least considered to be honorary white when it
  suits Europeans to think so, although admittedly this is a privelege
  that can be revoked rather quickly whenever it becomes necessary to
  look for a scapegoat for some current political, economic, or social
  problem, as we see now in Germany where a small band of dedicated 
  researchers with brownshirts, shaved heads and clubs have uncovered
  the threat to the Fatherland of Turks, Romanians, Jews and other
  Under-humans.  Even now they are attempting to alert the government
  to this problem.  Film at 11.

  As a practical matter Jesus was more likely Sephardic than what
  today we call Ashkenazic, the latter being among the whitest people
  I've personally ever met (and I'm part Scandinavian), and this would
  make him more olive-skinned, but in that sense no less white than say
  southern Italians, or many other Mediterranean people.   And granted
  that the latter are also subject to honorary or conditional "whitehood",
  depending on what club they're trying to join or who's in charge these
  days.   There was a great editorial by a Spanish woman in the Boston
  Globe a week ago, reporting on the insistence by some Americans that
  she wasn't white but was required to classify herself as "nonwhite-Hispanic"
  on some university admission form.
                                    
  Just as I think nations ought to be allowed to call themselves whatever
  they want, I also think people should have that option.  I routinely
  refuse to fill out the "race" section of any form and if it is absolutely
  required I fill in "other" and try to be as "creative" as possible. 

---peter
From: dliebman@terapin.com (David Liebman)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: BUSH Administration Hushes Auto Efficiency Studies
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:28:28 GMT
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Sep1.154522.15726@hubcap.clemson.edu>,
hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
>>>The Sierra Club says that...
>
>
>>      This has to be one of the worst researched, worst thought out,
>>      and worst argued things I've seen this year.
>
>No doubt. Actually, I quit reading it after I saw ``The Sierra Club Says...''.
>Nothing turns me off to an idea (unfortunately, even if it is an 
>important one) quicker than seeing it associated with a bunch of extremists.
>
>-Mike

please tell us the activites conducted by the sierra club that you feel
warrant the term 'extremist'.
From: mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Blue Rage)
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:35:31 GMT

In article <adams.715369517@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>
>I guess that because Socrates, Plato, Freud, etc, etc. are white, that
>makes them irrelevent?  Is Jesus Christ just another dead white male?
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Uh, no.  Not white.  But dead.

	Y'oughta reconsider the little pictures they show you in your
white oriented Sunday school books, no?

-- 
Michael Hall    mphall@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
"If you're not revolting against work, you're working
against revolt." - Bob Black

Newsgroups: alt.activism,soc.college,talk.politics.misc
From: budnick@cc.utah.edu
Subject: Re: The Big Lie (PC)
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:29:42 MDT

In article <Btx2qH.MJz@apollo.hp.com>, nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:

> [...]                                     
>
>   Just as I think nations ought to be allowed to call themselves whatever
>   they want, I also think people should have that option.  I routinely
>   refuse to fill out the "race" section of any form and if it is absolutely
>   required I fill in "other" and try to be as "creative" as possible. 
> 
> ---peter
> 

When I encounter "race" sections on gov forms, I check "other" and write in

	"human"

Peter Budnick

Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines