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From: khartoum@minuet.cc.purdue.edu (Khartoum)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Door Games
Summary: Door Games
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:54:52 GMT
Organization: Purdue UNiveniversityurdue UNiversityniversity

I dont really know if this is the place to post this, but I was wondering 
if someone could e-mail me a place to pick up some door games for a bbs
running on an IBM compat.

-Trey
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 04:54:27 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:

>  If I choose not to carry anything from dixie.com, or just from John
>(who has never made a useful post I've seen), that's not censorship. 

Aww Gee Bill.  Looks like losing that Dell debate still pissing ya off?  
C'mon, guy.  You can get over it if you try hard enough.

BTW, you must not read much news if you've never seen a useful post from
me.  Figures.

John
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:49:55 GMT

In <wbbn=sp@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:

>>I agree with the author as well.  If dixie.com wanted users, I see
>>nothing wrong with setting up a demo account with maybe 10 minutes of
>>access (that is what we have, 10 minutes -- with limited abilities)
>>Since John had mentioned that he didn't want any more users, it shouldn't
>>matter if dixie.com is in the nixpub or not.

>It matters to people who are in Atlanta or who are moving to Atlanta
>who want access.  That's what Mr Nixpub missed.  His listing systems
>like mine is not a service to me, it is a service to users wanting
>access.  Heck, if bunches of new users is what I wanted, a two bit list
>is the last thing I'd go to.  I'd run a $100 ad in the Atlanta Constipation
>and brace myself for the flood.  One has to experience a LATA the size of
>Atlanta to appreciate it.

John, why don't you just threaten to write a nasty article in a
magazine about him, the way you tried to threaten Dell when you
weren't satisfied with the help a friend of yours was getting?  After
all, that episode showed that the truth isn't really a barrier to what
you would submit for publication (taking your word for it), so why not
just threaten 'Mr Nixpub' with a real hatchet-job if he doesn't do
what you want?

It would, after all, be exactly your style.

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:17:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Aug28.121722.6917
Reply-To: 70465.203@compuserve.com
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:

>MIME and RFC822 are different things, unless you feel you need multimedia
>in headers.

>In effect, all RFC822 does is define a message as a header and body,
>split from each other by the first double newline in the message, and
>the header consisting of field names, colons and fields, with indented
>continuation lines.

Just watch out for unintentional assumptions. A few weeks back, Fidonet
got nailed by a missing linefeed character in the nodelist. Upon examining
the relevant standards doc, it is obvious that the LF *was* required by
the standard. But in C, you can get away with just carriage return. So
*all* the nodelist processors written in C *did*. The result was that all 
the ones written in Pascal crashed on the incorrect format.

So what is a "newline"? :-)

-- 
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CIS: [70465,203]			 70465.203@compuserve.com
FIDO:   1:105/51	 Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
(The CIS & Fido addresses are preferred)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committ
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:33:03 GMT

From article <2532@aegis.or.jp>, by davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane):
> I'm not up on exactly how TBBS works, but if it takes complete
> control of the machine and either boots directly or replaces DOS,
> then maybe it is a complete OS in itself. On the other hand, if it's
> something like Windows or Desqview that rides on top of DOS which
> you can stop and be back in DOS, then I would say it's an
> application. I don't know for sure, could somebody fill us in? \

	TBBS, while from my perspective is "built" like an OS, only
as so much that it can run it's own specially designed option modules
(such as the fidonet mailer, xBase lanaguage interpreter, etc).  However,
since those OMs must be written (or licensed) by eSoft Inc. only, and
thatt the package is still subject to normal DOS limitations
(ie.  needs expanded memory managers, etc.) I too would classify it as
an "application".  

	However, since you can write your own xBase applications
and run them under TBBS, and using the option module distiction, perhaps
"an application that acts as an OS" would be the better title.
 
 TTYL
 Chris


Xref: sparky alt.bbs:5552 comp.bbs.misc:801 comp.bbs.waffle:2095
From: adol@heroes.UUCP (Adol Christain)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Wondering
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:08:47 CDT
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: The Inn Of Heroes.  Public Access UUCP BBS.

     Looking at the Waffle docs, it seems possible to run Waffle as a 
door from another BBS.  (in dos.doc, how to disable the "bye" command).  
I was wondering how this is possible, how to run Waffle and have it not 
go to the waiting for call mode, but to go straight to the login prompt.

     Mail would be appreciated.



   --Adol
Xref: sparky alt.bbs:5495 comp.bbs.misc:739 comp.misc:3404
From: alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: 28 Aug 92 09:15:42 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:
(About John's site)
>	It is also interesting that your site is "dixie.COM"  which
>implies that the site didn't meet the internet's qualifications for a
>".ORG" or ".US" site.

I don't have any desire to defend JDA. But I must point out that domain names
are very very loosely controled. Panix.Com could just have easily been a .ORG
but I felt that a .Com name was more appropriate.

As for .US... We may well get a domain inside of .US someday, as may John. I've
never seen a need for it- it's a longer name, with no benefit that I can see
(unless you're not on the net and you can't find an MX forwarder elsewheres).

At any rate, any qualifications for the .US domain have nothing to do with the
"internet", in as much as it has any organization. It would depend only on
the whims of the owners of the .US domain and/or subdomains.

>	Face it.  You're sore because someone else offering an
>information list that you feel you belong on told you "no" and you're
>being a sore loser about it.

I won't argue that one...

--
Alexis Rosen   Owner/Sysadmin,
PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC.
alexis@panix.com
{uupsi,cmcl2}!panix!alexis
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 14:00:47 GMT

leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) writes:

>>Garsh.  What about UUCP/NNTP?  Even if each separate BBS system has a different
>>concept of what the message database resembles locally, why should there be
>>any work at all left to do with sharing messages?  It is most definitely a
>>task that should be left to the implementors of (your BBS name here) to effect
>>a utility that converts outgoing messages to the required form necessary to
>>work with the existing transport mechanisms.  There's no call to go off and
>>create a NEW transport standard.

>Congratulations. With the exception of the fact that they use a standard 
>FTS defined transport rather than UUCP/NNTP you've just described how Fidonet
>does it. You have a mailer that handles inter-system transport of files
>and packets(message bundles). You have a "tosser" that moves messages
>between the Fido packets and the BBS's message format. And of course, you
>have the BBS itself. 

An nntp approach would be better in multimachine operations, where as
one machine would be the message server for the others --  Fidonet (and the
FTS) is too limited.  It might be find for the typical DOS based BBS -
but it's not for a high volume usenet distribution hub.   

-- 
Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.rn.com
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
From: weenie@yenta.alb.nm.us (Dean Kerl)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,alt.bbs.allsysop.alt.bbs.internet
Subject: Re: * MAJOR BBS *
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:18:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm

wolfman@pdnfido.fidonet.org (aram mirzadeh) writes:


>I'm currently a sysop on a Glacticom Major BBS v6.0.  We have been doing
>our own modifications to the system... and I was wondering if there is 
>specific news group, or mailing list that I could apply to.  Also if 
>others are willing I was willing to trade ideas, and code for the system.

I run a 39 line Major BBS under 5.31. I've done a few modifactions as well.
I would suggest following the Major BBS conference on RIME, and be
sure to call the Galacticomm Demo system on a regular basis. Most info
about the software can be found there (305-583-7808 BBS).

>I had posted a message about connecting the MBBS program to internet. As now
>that the rules and regulations have softened a bit.  Here is a basic
>idea:   
> 
>1)You need to have a standalong system..(preferably unix) and hooking the
>    MBBS system to this system as a dial-up.
>2)You need about $250 to the internet connection, and monthly phone charges.
>3)You'll have to connect the nearest location (usually State colleges, or 
>   large universities) to get a live-connection.

I would love to do that, the money and connection shouldn't be a problem.
I've just discovered the internet about 3 weeks ago, so I'm still wet
behind the ears when it comes to Unix, but I'm learning.

Dean
weenie@yenta.alb.nm.us 
-- 
Dean Kerl
weenie@yenta.alb.nm.us
Xref: sparky alt.bbs:5533 comp.bbs.misc:785
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committ
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:51:21 GMT

From article <2539@aegis.or.jp>, by davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane):
> 
> Going back to what somebody else said (sorry, I forget who), I think
> it's the case that when TBBS wants to run certain modules/whatever
> (like handing incoming news) it needs to shut-down on-line operation.
> 
> Is this so? 
	Yes it is...as much as I and many other TBBS SysOps would like
to say "for now", it doesn't look like something that's going to change
very soon :/
 
 TTYL
 Chris

Newsgroups: alt.bbs,news.software.b
From: rsalz@osf.org (Rich Salz)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:13:38 GMT

In <BtuJv8.9r5@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>Does INN batch as incoming news arrives?
Ick.

INN provides a more powerful and general mechanism -- it can feed a
job the batchfile on stdin as it is generated.  That child program
can read stdin, collect a bunch of articles, make a batch, and go
back to the main loop.

> instant
>batching of news as it arrives.
Very few programs can keep up with Internet news flow in real time.
I would be very surprised if anyone can write one.
	/r$
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: TBBS is too conservative!
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:37:31 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>>larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>>>look how long it took for zmodem?  And, from what I have heard, TBBS
>>>still doesn't support quoting or a full screen editor -- and this
>>>is 1992!

>>No, both of those are definitely wrong.  It has quoting and a full
>>screen editor.

>Hmm.. 2 of the local boards are running the latest and they
>don't have either --

Well, I just used them last night, in fact.  Either they don't have
them set up, your account doesn't default to using them (you can still
use the old-style editor as your default), or they don't have your
terminal type in their "termcap" and think you don't accept screen
positioning codes.
-- 
Nugloo:  Single continuous eyebrow that covers the entire forehead.
From: atlas@lancc.uucp
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: VBBS
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:59:09 EST
Organization: LANcc, Louisville KY

I was able to get VBBS to recieve a packet, but things just never really got
going.  Various problems prohibited me from getting everything completly set
up.  I was connecting to a vax, and I think things would have gone better if I
had connected to a PC using Waffle.

Adam Atlas

Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: TBBS limitations
Organization: The Gator Public Access Unix Site - 219-289-3745
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 11:43:00 GMT

11458747@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHRISTIAN WILSON) writes:

>Is it possible to run TBBS under OS/2 ? If so, this would be quite handy 
>wouldn't it?

Nope.  TBBS Is to limited - and only supports DOS..

-- 
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keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed (mine)
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:35:25 GMT

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>but there are a number of options: 1) keep the news on the gateway
>machine, NFS-mount the news spool the news server and let its CPU
>work on news, 2) have the news on the news server and let the
>gateway machine NFS-mount the directories, 3) have the news on the
>second machine and access it from the gateway (and perhaps other
>machines as they get added) with NNTP. 

We have a news spool on one machine mounted via NFS and run the
threader on a second machine.  Seems to beef up the operation.
Also, INN may be a workable alternative to cnews, providing even
faster expires, etc.

Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:00:32 GMT

jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:

>There are several issues.  To set the stage, some background. 

[tale of woe and glory deleted]

John...


Who cares?


MD
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: cybrspc!wwiv!84-500@cs.umn.edu (sysadmin#lost.cojones.com ('Bart' Prentice) #84 @500)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: BBS Standards Committee Formed
Date: 28 Aug 92 05:23:46 GMT

633-503@wwiv.cojones.com (leonard#qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson) #633 @5 writes:
> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
> >My guess is that they will standardize on rfc822 as a message format,
> >with perhaps a few mods the way that rfc1036 modifies that standard.
> >I think that's a positive move.
> 
> Or perhaps they'll go for the formats specified in the Fidonet Technical
> Standards? 

Despite the parhaps 15,000 (+) Fido BBSs out there, there are far more
computer systems and mail servers that already follow the standards set in
RFC-822 and modified in RFC-1036.  As far as I am concerned on standard would
be awefully convenient but unless that new standard is inclusive enough of new
technology and the future of telecommunications then it will be worse than no
standard.

Unless the new standard is as open as the proposed MIME standards there will
be few subscribers to it beyond the handful of commercial BBS software
publishers that formed it to begin with.  Actually, that isn't really a bad
idea for them.  They could feed E-mail from their PCBoard, WIldcat, Major, and
Coconet BBSs to each other and have a happy old time raking in dough by
charging a premium for such service.

What we are failing to address here is that fact that telecommunications is
*NOT* a US-only industry.  The *REASON* that RFC-822 and RFC-1036 limit
transmissions to raw ASCII text is that not all computers can handle something
better, and there *IS* no internationally accepted standard for something
better.  Some folks would have you believe that ANSI or extended-ASCII should
be part of the "norm", but it is the sad truth that while extended-ASCII is
common for foriegn language emulation, ANSI is an American MS/DOS anomoly.

No new standard can be considered as "standard" unless it is internationally
recognised, like the CITTT "vee-dot" standards.  *THIS* is what we should be
pushing for, not the re-invention of the wheel.

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From: jfw@technix.mn.org (Jerry Wallace)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: RE-USRobotics SysOp deal
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:55:05 GMT
Organization: Private System - Saint Paul, MN

Larry Snyder writes:
>Davin Flateau writes:
>
>>   However, be aware that HST speed on the new modems is now 16.8k...you get a
>>LOT extra for that price.
>
>But with the Worldblazer and TurboPEP you get slightly better throughput
>than one does with a USR 16.8 HST -- I believe the SYSOP price on the USR
>DS is $449 verses the Telebit WB SYSOP price of $428.  Both are quality modems,
>and the USR offers better real-time latency performance.

Heh.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but these latency tests were done on the
first T3000s that came out.  Since then then WorldBlazer appeared and
has upgraded ROMs.  Since my uucp stats improved across all connection
types when I installed the latest WB ROMs, I wonder what changes the
latency tests might show.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: mary@flipper.zmax.com (Mary C. Papp)
Subject: testing
Organization: Z/Max Computer Solutions, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:12:22 GMT

This is just a test
Xref: sparky alt.bbs:5497 comp.bbs.misc:744
From: dell@Apple.COM (Thomas E. Dell)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc
Subject: Re: BBS's for Linux
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:07:07 GMT
Organization: I mistook my BBS for a hat

>Cant' give you any particulars and I haven't been reading comp.os.linux for a
>while, but I remember someone offering diffs to get it to complile. Give a 
>shout over in the linux newsgroup and I'll bet someone answers.

Those diffs were incorporated into Waffle 1.65, released 3 Aug 92.

...Tom

dell@vox.darkside.com / Thomas E Dell
Xref: sparky alt.bbs:5418 comp.bbs.misc:666
From: 11458747@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (CHRISTIAN WILSON)
Subject: Re: TBBS limitations
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:14:33 GMT

>The selection from eSoft is very, very limited indeed..  From the
>limited selection (and the way eSoft is supporting developers) it
>is obvious that eSoft wants to keep tight control on what is available.

Is it possible to run TBBS under OS/2 ? If so, this would be quite handy 
wouldn't it?

Christian.

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