From: irfan@APOLLO.ECE.WISC.EDU (Irfan Alan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: to Kocabas on "The Qur'an and The Bible, Muslim-Christian Dialogue"
Date: 16 Aug 92 07:34:56 GMT

Re:to Kocabas on THE QUR'AN and THE BIBLE, Muslim-Christian
Dialogue



	It seems you are behaving like Bektasi. Do you know the story
about Bektasi, it goes like this: Once people asked from
Bektasi, 'Why don't you pray', he answered 'Allah says in the
Qur'an "Don't come close to pray"', they told him  'why don't
you read the rest of the verse' which is "when you are drunk",
he answered that he is illeterate and  he doesn't know that much.



	It seems you are stuck in several verses of the Qur'an and at
the  same time you are giving your wrong interpretations on them
as if you are a scholar and you overlook the other verses to be
able to understand the correct interpretation.  YOU ARE THE ONE
who is trying to lead people to your illusions.



	In Abdullah Yusuf Ali's Text, Translation and Commentary of the
Qur'an there is a comprehensive index at the back.  If you go to
the index and  check what are there about Jesus (pbuh),
Christians, books and the people of the book you will easily
find out many verses which explains what kind of wrongs people
of the book does and you will find the calling of Allah SWA 
them to the straight path.



	I do not remember the verse number off hand right now where
Allah SWA curses  those people who change the scriptures with
their hands for the worldly benefits.  That verse definitely
proves that whatever Allah SWA revealed to Moses (pbuh) as Torah
and to Jesus (pbuh) as Injil did not remained same.  People
changed them for worldly benefits.  	You can find out many other
verses which supports this argument in Qur'an. Like Christians
claim Jesus (pbuh) to be God's incarnation to earth in flesh,
HA$A (ALLAH forbid), like they claim Jesus as the Son of God,
HA$A, or one of the trinity, HA$A so and so forth.



	Allah SWA in the Qur'an tells us in meaning whoever associates
any partner with Allah, HE is going to make JANNAT (HEAVEN)
haram (FORBIDDEN) for them.  HE says in another verse, The Jews
call Uzayir: the son of God and the Christians call Jesus: the
son of God, and that is a saying from their mouth which they
tell a lie against Allah. You can easily find these verses if
you are not illeterate and go to the index at the back of that
translation and commentary.  I can even supply the verse numbers
myself later if anyone shows any interest in learning them.



	NOW, DON'T BEHAVE LIKE BEKTASI.  WHEN YOU READ THE QUR'AN, READ
IT IN ITS CONTEXT. DON'T BEHAVE LIKE A SCHOLAR OF ISLAM.  GO AND
READ BOOKS OF THE SCHOLARS OF ISLAM AND INCREASE YOUR KNOWLEDGE
BEFORE YOU SPEAK ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM. 



	Another thing is that: DON'T REPEAT YOUR SLANDEROUS ARGUMENTS
ANYMORE.  We did not claim anywhere, anytime to produce any
statement which is equivalent to that of The Qur'an's.  We even
can not dare to do such a thing.  Come to yourself, you
slanderous guy. 

    

	I am like a mirror, did you know that.  Whatever you tell me
about myself and my articles, IN ACTUALITY you are seeing
yourself.



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The one who looks at good, sees good and 

the one who sees good, thinks good.  
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Irfan.






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