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From: amathur@storm.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Alok Mathur)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: RE:ouija
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:21:03 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In-reply-to: 890692h@dragon.acadiau.ca's message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:23:34 GMT

Hi all,

In article <1993Jan25.052334.3956@dragon.acadiau.ca> 890692h@dragon.acadiau.ca
(W Morris Hattie) writes: 

   [2 fascinating ouija board stories deleted....]

   I know quite a few good stories from reliable sources so if anyone is 
   interested then post and i'll relate some more.


Yes, I would really like to read more of such stories, and from past postings
I'd guess that several would too.

I have read several ouija board stories here but do not recall reading about any
first hand experiences. Out of so many stories, there must be *some* stories
which cannot be disbelieved through excuses of exaggeration, pranks or
imagination. 

Does this lead us to the conclusion that Ouija Boards *are* a medium for
communicating with spirits of the dead ? And to a more basic conclusion, the
existence of spirits ?

I guess several stories on this newsgroup (if true) point us towards these
conclusion. Although I feel that this is an appropriate newsgroup for a
discussion of this sort, please correct me if I'm wrong (What does the charter
say ?).

Ciao,


Alok.
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Office : (216) 368-8871           Res : (216) 791-1261
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From: mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: An addition to a strange occurance
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:14:12 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <93023.233329LMS5@psuvm.psu.edu>, <LMS5@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1jt3ftINN52t@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Prabal
> Nandy) says:
>>
>>   As I mentioned in my previous post, I've also had these kinds of
>>hallucinations... I'm positive that they have a definite psychological and
>>physiological basis... But if your interested, some of my more dramatic
>>peripheral vision hallucinations were:
>>
>>   A deformed, hairless dog-like creature in the back of our bathroom here,
>>moving toward me.
>>   Small, stilted, spiny humanoid creatures.
>>   A large, black, hand-shaped flying insect flying just over my lamp.
>>   Small fly-like creature that persist for up to 2-3 seconds.
>>   Tall, dark, roughly humanoid shadows.
>>
> 
>   Things like this used to bother me until I found out from an eye doctor that
>   have 'floaters'. I am not exactly sure what they are composed of but they
>   make you see dark images like the above. Now, when I see something like that,
>   I kinda find it amusing :-)
> 
>   I do believe 'floaters' have been mentioned here before.
> 
>   Laurie
> 

        I occasionally have a problem with floaters also, they are strands of
tissue that are in you eyes.  They are situated on the outside of the eyeball
but inside your lid. They look much like a clear hair up to an inch long.  They
don't hurt luckily.  I have no idea why they occur.  I do know that when one
drifts across your cornea (they float around) it causes a very weird bluring or
distortions.  They're not as wide as your cornea so only a band of bluring will
occur.

        Any help?

                                                        Diana



Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: malixi@sis.uucp (Julius)
Subject: test
Organization: Sheridan College, Ontario, Canada
 
Distribution: tor
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:17:30 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Subject: Re: An addition to a strange occurance
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:49:15 GMT

In article <93023.233329LMS5@psuvm.psu.edu>
<LMS5@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
 
>
>In article <1jt3ftINN52t@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Prabal
>Nandy) says:
>>
>>   As I mentioned in my previous post, I've also had these kinds of
>>hallucinations... I'm positive that they have a definite psychological and
>>physiological basis... But if your interested, some of my more dramatic
>>peripheral vision hallucinations were:
>>
>>   A deformed, hairless dog-like creature in the back of our bathroom here,
>>moving toward me.
>>   Small, stilted, spiny humanoid creatures.
>>   A large, black, hand-shaped flying insect flying just over my lamp.
>>   Small fly-like creature that persist for up to 2-3 seconds.
>>   Tall, dark, roughly humanoid shadows.
>>
>
>  Things like this used to bother me until I found out from an eye doctor that
>  have 'floaters'. I am not exactly sure what they are composed of but they
>  make you see dark images like the above. Now, when I see something like that,
>  I kinda find it amusing :-)
>
>  I do believe 'floaters' have been mentioned here before.
>
>  Laurie
>
 
My Mother has "floaters" also; If I understand it correctly, they are
patches of opacity in your cornea--harmless, but annoying, and perhaps
frightening if you don't know what they are.  The brain has a way of
interpreting something that it does NOT understand in terms of something
it does.  SO, if you see something as described in the above post, there
are three possibilities:
 
      1.  You have a common and harmless eye disorder.  Hie thee unto thy
          opthamalogist to investigate this.
 
      2.  You are halucinating.  Change your diet (no more spicy foods
          before bedtime) and sleeping habits (6-8 hours/night); if they
          do not go away, hie thee unto thy psychiatrist.
 
      3.  You are having a real vision.  Hie thee unto thy genealogist and
          enquire as to Highland Scots and/or Gypsy ancestors.
 
 
 
Another Rust-Belt Yankee Exile in Charlotte!
 
Any opinions expressed are mine, not those of the Atkins Library.
 
Bruce Alan Wilson ali00baw@unccvm.uncc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: malixi@sis.uucp (Julius)
Subject: ouija boards
Organization: Sheridan College, Ontario, Canada
 
Distribution: tor
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:08:19 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: nml@csa.bu.edu (Newton Loui)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: RE:ouija
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:27:29 GMT
	<AMATHUR.93Jan25132103@storm.EEAP.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: amathur@storm.EEAP.CWRU.Edu's message of 25 Jan 93 21:21:03 GMT

In article <AMATHUR.93Jan25132103@storm.EEAP.CWRU.Edu> amathur@storm.EEAP.CWRU.Edu (Alok Mathur) writes:

[much stuff about ouija boards deleted]

   I guess several stories on this newsgroup (if true) point us towards these
   conclusion. Although I feel that this is an appropriate newsgroup for a
   discussion of this sort, please correct me if I'm wrong (What does
   the charter say ?).

According to Joel Furr <FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu> (probably instrumental
in forming this alt newsgroup):

The charter of alt.folklore.ghost-stories is as follows:

Alt.folklore.ghost-stories is intended to provide a forum for
discussion and posting of ghost stories, both personal experiences and
those which have been passed on from others.  "Ghost stories" can
include local retellings of the "Vanishing Hitchhiker" legend, popular
local ghost legends, personal experiences, stories told to you in dark
rooms on Halloween, classic ghost story plot and narrative elements,
and so forth.  The purpose of all this is to allow those interested in
ghost stories to discuss and enjoy them with one another.

Discussion of ouija boards, floaters, "Old Hags", and the like should
probably be discussed in alt.paranormal, but who am I and what's to
stop you?

nml
--
Newton Loui    nml@hq.lcs.mit.edu   nml@lcs.mit.edu   nml@athena.mit.edu
		  nml@csa.bu.edu (non-work related)
From: probe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Prabal Nandy)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: An addition to a strange occurance
Date: 23 Jan 1993 22:47:09 -0500
Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu

   As I mentioned in my previous post, I've also had these kinds of
hallucinations... I'm positive that they have a definite psychological and
physiological basis... But if your interested, some of my more dramatic
peripheral vision hallucinations were:

   A deformed, hairless dog-like creature in the back of our bathroom here,
moving toward me.
   Small, stilted, spiny humanoid creatures.
   A large, black, hand-shaped flying insect flying just over my lamp.
   Small fly-like creature that persist for up to 2-3 seconds.
   Tall, dark, roughly humanoid shadows.

   Things like that. The top 3 occurances were very vivid and startling, but
only occured once each... The last 2 occur more frequently... I can't
remember everything else...
   Again, nothing to worry about. The shapes dissappear in less than a
second usually, and always dissappear when you look directly at them. 

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: katherim@fraser.sfu.ca (Katherine Merle Mason)
Subject: Re: Ouija Boards
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:41:26 GMT

linkletter@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (CUM SUAS A' GHAIDHLIG) writes:

>In article <gj156879.727631066@cunews>, gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes...
[stuff removed for brevity]
>>My own experiences are long and strange (too long to describe, unless
>>someone pushes me into doing it) but involved demons, trees, wizards,
>>dryads, lying spirits, etc.
>> 
>>At least that's what they SEEMED to be.  That's what they SAID they
>>were, if/when they did say it.
>> 
>>My opinions on the matter:  maybe it's real, maybe it's not, I don't
>>know.  It can really be proved so never mind.
>> 
>>I heard one person (professional occultist???) on some tv show say
>>that using a ouija board is like opening all the doors and windows in
>>your house and waiting to see who shows up.
>> 
>>          Any other experiences out there?
>>                              Nik
>> 
>I would be ineterested in hearing about your experiences with a ouija board!
>Tell us about them!!
>                                    Michael
I too would like to hear of your experiences.  Please do post them.
From: st1dg@rosie.uh.edu (Wilkinson, Damon E.)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: SA Railroad tracks - what happened?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:50 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I neglected to read this group at the start of the semester, so if this
was covered someone please send my the post, etc.

In Dec much talk was made on this group about the ahunted railroad
tracks near Kelly AFB in Sa, to the extent that a diagram was drawn
here, and very specific directions to the site were given.
Although I myself didnt make it there when I went to San Antonio
over the break, someone claimed to have equimpent, etc,
and the directions to the site, and was losing net access over the break,
but upon returning would post what he found out.


WHAT HAPPENED!!!!!!!
From: mchenry@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Are There Really Ghosts?
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:46:06 GMT
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Organization: North Carolina State University


Hello Folks:

I'm new to this group and let me start by saying I have always
been facinated by ghost stories but I am as of yet not convinced
that ghosts truly exist. I guess I'm sort of a hard evidence 
kind of person and I've never seen any hard evedence that proves
the existance of ghosts. Part of my problem may be that I have
never had anything close to a paranormal experience(and I'm
not sure I want to :-) ) and I've never really known anyone
who has.

The closest thing to it would have to be my three cousens who
all say that as children they saw a bucket suspended in midair
in a room in their grandfathers 18th century house. The bucket
dropped to the floor after a few minutes and they ran screaming
from the room. Childhood memories can be distorted and changed
so while they may very well have witnessed such an event they
may have also distorted what happened over the years and now
remember it quite differently than it was.

Many ghost stories are mearly legeonds that are passed down
through the years and often are played apon by those who
might profit from them. Then there are the haunted houses
that were occupied bt screech owls or some other noisy living 
thing rather than ghosts. My grandmother tells a story about
an old spinning wheel that used to spin on its own but I've
heard that squirrils would sometimes run in a spinning much like
a mouse does in a mouse cage wheel.

I'm not making the statement that ghosts do not exist simply
that I've never seen any convincing proof that they do.

My questions are...

If ghosts exist... What are they? Do they really retain there mortal
looks and clothes as is depicted in some stories(this is one of the
hardest things for me to swallow)? Are they demons? Are they lost souls? 
If they are lost souls why do they remain on the earth?  

I guess my last question is is there anyone out there who has
experienced something concerning a ghost and they are totally
convinced that it truley was a ghost and could not have been
created by "mortals":-) .

KRM
From: dwguiher@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Info on werewolves
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:05:26 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Hello,
	I am compiling a file on werewolves and I would greatly appreciate any
information anyone could give me.  Facts, stories, legends, experiences,
rumors-- any kind of information is needed.

			Thanks in advance,
				THROM

	"His personality sucks, but he looks GREAT on a horse."
				       -Susan Waszak
From: arsouth@watson.ibm.com (Andrew R. Southwick)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: A strange occurance
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:16:05 GMT
Reply-To: arsouth@watson.ibm.com (Andrew R. Southwick)
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.16f by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In <C1FJBw.AGr@athena.cs.uga.edu> lgraham@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Laurel K. Graham [MSAI]) writes:
>
>Hi, again.  I just wanted to clairify a few things about what happened with
>the kitten.  Firstly, these 'visions' had been happening all of my life.  I
>like many teenagers I knew slept most of the day away.  I am willing to bet a
>rather large sum of money that it was not sleep depravation.  Secondly, I 
>could see the kitten in a great deal of detail, such as the stripes on
>its fur.  I don't really remember what the kitten Laura fed looked like,
>but I certainly remember the kitten which was running at me. :-)
>One gentleman proposed to me that my mind was filling in detail.  I believe
>it is highly probable for my mind to be part of the problem, but after
>things like this happen to you several times, you begin to wonder. :-)

Not that I believe in what I write myself ....
Well, I was just reading over these last few articles, and a thought came to 
me (a rare enough occurence in itself) and I felt that I should post it. 
About the claims that these images are hallucinations, caused by sleep
deprivation: maybe we are just better attuned to otherworldy phenomena when 
we are closer to sleep?

Yeah, I know a waste of bandwidth.  Merry Christmas.

CAPITALISM: You have two cows. Sell one. Buy a bull.
--------------------------------------------------------------
My views are my own; behaviorists can stick THAT up their ***!
Andrew R. Southwick
From: mchenry@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: A strange occurance
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:43:38 GMT
Reply-To: mchenry@BAEPV4.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU)
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <C1B3rH.D71@athena.cs.uga.edu>, lgraham@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Laurel K. Graham [MSAI]) writes:
>Hi.  I have always wanted to discuss this with someone, so I think I will
>start with a newsgroup.  I say "a strange occurance" but really events
>similar to the one I am going to discuss have been occurring as long as I
>can remember.  This event, however, was particularly weird.
>
>Basically, I have been seeing some very strange things in my peripheral 
>vision.  Such as dark moving shapes, moving towards or away from me.  For a
>long time I thought these were simply the product of my imagination working
>over time.  
>

I don't know if this is the same thing or not but it sounds similar
to stuff that used to happen to me when I went too long without
sleep. When I was younger I used to make this tortuous drive from
North Carolina to Maine and back and usually would do it in one
shot. This could sometomes mean 22 hours of driving and by the 
late stages symptoms like you described above combined with some
really weird hallucinations would occur. Thinking back on it I
realize how stupid I was because I would sometimes react to what 
appeared to be something lunging at me from the side as you described
while driving. My mind would also turn roadside objects into some
bizzare looking things which seemed funny at the time but now I
realize the risk I was taking. 

I also remember pulling all nighters in college and jumping when
something(usually not something identifiable like your kitten)
appeared to be running towards me from the side. I don't know
if your situation is the same but a good nights sleep always
brought me back to normal.

KRM




>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: malixi@sis.uucp (Julius)
Subject: ouija boards
Organization: Sheridan College, Ontario, Canada
 
Distribution: tor
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:12:12 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: ashton@netcom.com (ashton)
Subject: Re: Ouija Boards
Reply-To: ashton@netcom.com
Organization: Dept of Medieval Metaphysics, Miskatonic U, Arkham, Mass
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:10:50 GMT

gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
>          Any other experiences out there?
Well Plate O Shrimp ... What should show up in alt.satanism but a thread
on the satanic ouija board. (Actually it looks like school has started,  
and the poster is getting properly flamed [and what better place?])
You may want to sneak over and take a look, someone may post a story
(Don't cross post under penalty of vicious reprisal)

Xeper and Remanifest ... AShTON
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: an2517@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Messages from the dead
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:28:44 GMT

My roomate's mother told me this story.  It happened to her a few
months after her husband had died.  She was left with two young girls
in London, England and was contemplating a move to Canada so the girls
would get to know their family that was in Canada.  One night Ulla (my
roomate's mother) , in desperation asked her dead husband for a sign
to show her whether or not she and the two girl's should make the move
from England to Canada.  She hopped in the bath and when she got out
and returned to her bedroom the dried flowers that had been on her
mantel were placed on her bed in a semi-circle.  She took it as a sign
to make the move and the threee of them came here the following
summer. Ulla lived alone at the time and the girls were in boarding
school miles away so for you skeptics...there is not an easy way of
explaining this.
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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Old Hag (RE: Demons at night)
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:49:09 GMT

In article 1@nickel.laurentian.ca, s1400070@nickel.laurentian.ca () writes:
>      Indeed, I have had the "old hag" many times.  I just have not felt
> like there was someone else in my room and I certainly didn't feel like
> someone was pushing on my chest.  It was just the paralysis and that was
> scary enough thank-you.  
>      When in this paralytic state, though, it would be very easy to go back
> to sleep except for the fact that I feel that if I go along with it and
> go back to sleep that I will die.  Don't laugh! It's a real fear that people
> get have when they get the Old Hag.  I think that this phenomenon is so 
> terrifying becuase we as humans tend to fight it.
>      The best biological explanation for it is the release of paralysing 
> chemicals that are released by our bodies that stop us from acting out our
> dreams.  If we wake from a state of deep sleep, there may be some residual
> chemical leftover.  
> 
> 						John
> 


absolutely true. its biochemical.

---
Steve C. 

 ==> A wise man once told me - There ARE NO Wise Men !
                             - Just fools who think they are.
---------------------------------------------------------------		
 I understand you need someone to do work.
 I don't do work, but, I know this guy who does.
    -Vladimir Taltos
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From: dseager@andy.bgsu.edu ()
Subject: ouija: true stories
Followup-To: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:20:30 GMT

Believe it!  the ouija board works! 

	The reason why is because the people who use it make it work.  My friends
and I have used the boards for years (I have one that my grandma bought
many many years ago)  and have seen amazing things.  One night some very
aware friends of mine got together and hade some cool experiences.  I asked
my friend his mother's name and it appeared writed in the fog of the
window!  and that was just the start!  The thing we found out though was
that we controlled everything (subconsciously) and not some dark power.