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From: mlevi@owlnet.rice.edu (Marcel Nolan Levi)
Subject: Re: Breeders
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:22:26 GMT


In article <1992Aug13.092148.761@u.washington.edu>, hamrick@milton.u.washington.edu (Mike Hamrick) writes:

>I'm afraid I'm in Pat's camp on this issue.  The middle two songs on the EP
>are excellent, while the outter two or mostly filler.  "So Sad About Us" is
>pretty dissapointing.  "Don't Call Home" is as good as anything you'll find
>on the near-perfect "Pod" LP.  They really have a cool fucked-up guitar sound
>in "Don't Call Home," don't they?  I wonder how they did it.
>
>mikeh

I just bought the CD ep yesterday, and was semi-impressed.  The first song
is pretty good, but ultimately empty.  'Don't Call Home' is really
impressive and 'Safari' is, IMHO, truly fantastic.  As I was listening, I
looked at the lineup, noticing that Kim, Tanya, and Kelly (Kim's sister?)
were all three listed as 'guitar, vocals', Josephine as 'bass, cello, vocals'
and Mike Hunt as 'drums, vocals'.

A couple of points/questions:  Is Kim's main instrument bass or guitar?
Kim wrote the majority of the songs (So Sad.. is by Pete Townsend, for those
of you w/o the ep).  I don't think that "it sounds more like early Pixies
than the Pixies do now", as someone said a couple of days ago; there's 
something special in Black's rough-screeching-yet-melodic voice and Joey's
similar guitar work that just can't be duplicated by anyone else.  I think
that stylisticly speaking, Kim *learned how* to write songs from Black
and Joey, and it now shows.  Also, I _believe_ that Kelly Deal is responsible
for the beautiful acoustic guitar work throughout the ep.

Oh yeah, will someone remind me where Mike Hunt comes from?  The name is
obviously made up (say it out loud, but *quietly*).  Although I do know
someone who went to school with me with that name (very unfortunate, his 
parents must have been pretty dumb to give him that name).

Another (last) point:  I noticed that John Murphy helped with the lyrics
on one song (Don't Call Home).  Remember, Kim is listed as "Mrs. John
Murphy" on Surfer Rosa. :^)

Marcel,
mlevi@rice.edu
From: mlevi@owlnet.rice.edu (Marcel Nolan Levi)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Lollapalooza not welcome at Great Woods, MA
Date: 14 Aug 1992 18:29:46 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Rice University


In article <3709@cvbnetPrime.COM>, jsulliva@cvbnet.prime.com (Jeff Sullivan) writes:

>of "vandalism" for both nights, mostly due to the bonfires that
>were set on the lawn. The fires were fueled by ripped up sod and
>wood from a nearby fence.

>Also mentioned were similar incidents at other venues along the tour.

Bonfires are a tradition at Lollapalooza!  Despite the hype and
pretentiousness surrounding the tour (last summer & this) from 
the commercial radio stations, I have to admit that there's a
wonderfully sick primal thrill associated with moshing around one
of 6 or 8 giant bonfires to the raw musical energy pouring from the
stage, be it Ministry or Siouxsie (dallas, '91).

It's a shame that the lame authorities in Boston freaked out.  They
allowed the concert, they should have understood and accepted the 
'risks' involved.  It hasn't made it to Texas yet, but I heard from
a New-Jerseyan that Lush, PJ, and Ministry were the best, and that
J&MC were surprisingly weak and Ice -Square- sucked (2-word vocabulary
consisting of 'mother' and 'fucker').

How about getting a rap group not starting with 'Ice' next year?
Maybe the Beasties or Dream Warriors?  *Some* rap group that has at
least some musical talent (unlike the two Ice-Morons).

does anybody have any suggestions/predictions for next year's lineup?
my guesses: L7, Pixies, Cracker, ...?

Marcel,
mlevi@rice.edu

BTW, I'm not going this year, as I don't want to spend $31.50 (ticket)
    + $35.00 (shirt) + $10.00 (gas) = $76.50 to be surrounded by
    high school jocks who want to hear Under The Bridge and Alive.
From: festeve@sdrc.COM (Steve Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: INDIE NET - Debate
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:04:53 GMT
Organization: SDRC, Cincinnati
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess (kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu) wrote:

: >>wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks) writes:
::
: >>OK, This post is to generate debate over a spin-off group from a.m.a 
: >>(alt.music.alternative, not the American Medical Association). The 
: >>hope is that we can get this issue settled, once and for all, whether
: >>it ends with a new group or not.
: 
: The beauty of the "indie" question is that it can *never* be clearly
: defined once and for all.  If it were, music would be dead.
: Woe to those who define, define, define the good things in life until all
: the juice is completely taken out of them.  Are you sure you're not 
: a philosophy major?  
: 

Wow, pretty deep, I guess I didn't realize the profound implications
involved here.  To me it just seems like a way to narrow down a search
for info about music that I like (just like labelling a record store,e
radio station, or music rag in order to attract a particular clientele)..
I never would have picked up an issue of ALTERNATIVE PRESS if it 
weren't for the word "alternative". .


: >>1. How should "indie" be defined? The independant labels of the US, 
:                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^       
: >>4. Finally, What name should it be given? alt.music.alternative.indie, 
: >>alt.music.indie, rec.music.independant, etc.?
:                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
: if you're going to start this stupid thread again, at least try to spell
: "independent" correctly.
::
: Lena
: who only flames people once in a blue moon so don't get on my case.

Request denied.
A spelling flame? Jeesh.  You know what he meant.  If you don't think
that alt.music.independAnt is a good idea, please state your reasons. s
(and try to be a little more concrete than your leaky juice theory).

Steve
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Sonic Youth Tour Dates?
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:16:54 GMT
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


Have any SY tour dates been announced?

(Especially for the Metro Detroit/Ann Arbor area?)
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
East Quad - Cooley
From: ben@athena.mit.edu (Ben)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:49:31 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug18.134316.25944@hubcap.clemson.edu> writes:
>conroym@news.colorado.edu (Matthew Conroy) writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>
>>2. Someone said that distribution is necessary for independent labels, and
>>hence the need for major distribution companies...well, what about mail
>>order? i know some labels sell there stuff this way (RRR, Dischord, SST)...
>
>What about us poor folks without credit cards?

 For the record, almost no mail order house I know of (Forced Exposure, RRR,
 Simple Machines, Parasol,Public Bath, Teen Beat, Ajax, etc. etc.) accepts  
 credit cards. Few of these labels/mail order places have heavy enough
 volume to justify paying high credit card company fees.
 Most places accept money orders, checks, and  cash-a most risky proposition. 
 So you don't need to be "rich" to mail order.Just resourceful and patient.

Steve at WHRB- where the hits never stop
ben@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Killing Joke sues Nirvana
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:38:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.125905.16407@wam.umd.edu>
loffit@wam.umd.edu (Dixie Cup) writes:
 
>Anyone have any more info on this.  What I've heard is that Killing Joke
>thinks that Come As You Are sounds awfully like the Eighties.  Apparently
>they think Nirvana ripped off their song and only now decided to sue.
>What do people think about this?  Do the songs really sound that alike?
 
I think they both ripped off the bassline from Psych Fur's _India_.
Or maybe PIL's _Theme_?
Or Led Zepplin's _Communication Breakdown_? ;-) naww!
 
--Eric
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From: mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Killing Joke sues Nirvana
Date: 19 Aug 1992 19:18:55 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug19.184957.23279@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson) writes:
>
>>Last week on MTV News they reported that Killing Joke (incl. Youth and Jaz)
>>had started recording a new album.  It will be a indie-dance cross-over
>>type of thing.
>
>GRROOOOAAAN.
>
>One horseman down, three to go.

well as i recall 'love like blood' was also an indie-dance cross-over type
thing (a top 40 uk hit; they even performed it on 'top of the pops'!), and
that song is of course amazing and an all-time club classic, so maybe it's
not such a bad thing... :)

yours,m
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Ravers don't want techno newsgroup
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 22:07:13 GMT


In <16848DDE2.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu> techno@music.not.rave.please writes:

Ah.  A clever boy, who wants to keep his name to himself.  Unfortunately,
here's the path:
Hi there EIVERSO.  Glad to see you again.

>OK maybe that's too much of a blanket statement, but the main
>opposition for an alt.music.techno group seems to be coming from susbscribers
>of alt.rave.

The main opposition for alt.music.techno IS coming from NEWS ADMINS who
*happen* to subscribe to alt.rave because that's the best place to get
music info (or post it for that matter) about techno and house and a
whole bunch of other types of "alternative" dance music.  We already
have enough stupidly splintered newsgroups without increasing the
chaos.

>	A.m.techno would cater to lovers of all things techno - primarily
>the music which has been produced for roughly 17 years now. It would not
>exclude party talk,

Then what would make it different from alt.rave?

>		but would not encourage it particularly.

If you had bothered to READ alt.rave, you might have noticed that A LOT
of the traffic is about "techno" and how killer certain tunes are.

It basically sounds like you want what alt.rave is, but can't stand the
name.  One person not liking the name is not sufficient reason to create
a new group.  Even two or three not liking the name is a very silly reason
to duplicate the traffic.

>The projected audience would be anyone who likes to listen to, make, buy,
>play, or even dance and party to techno music.

Just like the existing audience of alt.rave.  Why have two groups to do
the same thing?
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
           Everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Re: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:30:17 GMT


BRAVO!  The only piece of reality that I've seen on this group EVER.
-- 
			  I'm not wearing any pants.

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown    pashdown@slack.sim.es.com    ...uunet!slack.sim.es.com!pashdown
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
From: cms@philabs.philips.com (Caroline M. Shone)
Subject: Re: Charlatans UK tour cancelled
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, New York
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:04:45 GMT

In article <schuck.714240796@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>james@raveup.b24a.ingr.com (Teddie James) writes:
>
>>I just found out to my disappointment that the current Charlatans UK
>>tour is cancelled.  We called The Masquerade in Atlanta where we had
>>tickets, and they gave the bad news.  They also said something about a
>>possible breakup.
>
>>Catherine Wheel was supposed to open.  I don't know what's going to
>>happen with them.
>
>>Life really sucks right about now.
>
>
>Thats too bad about the Charlatans tour.
>
>I saw them in Vancouver at the Commodore on the 9th.
>They were very good. The keyboard player really made the show for me.
>They had a great light show too.
>
>My only quibble is that they only played for 65 minutes including
>encore. Thats too short for 26$ Canadian.
>
>Catherine Wheel might have been ok, but they played way too loud.
>I though my ears were going to bleed.
>
>
Hey! How come I never know when the Charlatans are coming up?  I heard they
were playing in the Limelight in NY city.  This was about August 14.  Does
anyone know anything about this?  Also how can I find out about these sort of
concerts in NY?  Any suggestions?

				     -Caroline


          

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From: bob@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Bob Nutter)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Finitribe Album?
Keywords: Finitribe
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:30:46 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <dennis.713749806@citr.uq.oz.au>, dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer) writes:
|> Greetings
|> 
|> Can somebody tell me if the 'Tribe have a recent album (i.e one
|> that would include '101' and the new single).

There is a new album out - "An Unexpectedly Groovy Treat". I've only just
borrowed it so I don't know what's on it. I have heard it once, though, and most
of it's pretty good.

bob
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Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: Mr. Q <bobc@FUTIQUE.SCS.unr.edu>
Subject: Major Label Music is EVIL!
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 11:51:55 EDT
Organization: unr.edu
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
From: Tim.Fuhrmann@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Tim Fuhrmann)
Subject: Re: Re-mastered Nirvana _Bleach_ ?
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:10:25 GMT

zappia@usops.enet.dec.com (Jim Zappia) writes:

>	RE: "Lithium" 

>	As already mentioned full lyrics included on U.S. single only,
>	U.K. only has it for the one track.   Don't know about Japanese
>	CD3's.
the german single included the full lyrics to "Nevermind" too.
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: YOUR ARSENAL: Is Morrissey Laughing at Johnny Marr?
Keywords: HahahahaHaHaHa
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:57:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


     The first time I listened to YOUR ARSENAL all the way through,
     it hit me that the whole thing seems to be Morrissey laughing
     at Johnny Marr and the other two Smiths...  

     Think about it: the album doesn't really sound anything like
     VIVA, BONA DRAG or KILL UNCLE... it's very guitar oriented -
     the music sounds more like The Smiths than on any of Morrissey's
     three earlier albums.  That in itself could be a diss at Johnny:
     "Anybody can play the guitar, arse hole."

     The album title: Your ARSEnal.  
     The tracks: WE HATE IT WHEN OUR FRIENDS BECOME SUCCESSFUL, for an
     obvious choice.  The chorus consists solely of Morrissey laughing.
     The lyric is from Marr's point of view - because he hasn't become
     successful and Morrissey has.
     WE'LL LET YOU KNOW (Marr auditions, guy silhouetted off-stage
     says, "We'll let you know," and crosses Johnny's name off the
     list.)
     YOU'RE THE ONE FOR ME, FATTY.  Johnny's put on a little weight
     since STRANGEWAYS... like 50 pounds... (and he was chunky to
     start with).
     SEASICK, YET STILL DOCKED.  Some DJ was talking about this song
     on 92.7 WDRE - LONG ISLAND - a few weeks back, saying he thought
     this track referred to Johnny Marr's "famous" seasickness -- he
     would start puking before the gang-plank was up.
     Etc... 
     It's also an a-typical album cover for Morrissey -- it's not just
     a photo of him, it's a photo of him in concert, pining away for
     15,000 screaming fans (at Nassau Colisseum - great show) -- it's
     Morrissey, The Rock Star.

     I'd like to hear what you all think about this... Is that crazy or
     is Morrissey laughing at The Smiths (and Johnny in particular)...?

     -Scott Gorcey
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mlevi@owlnet.rice.edu (Marcel Nolan Levi)
Subject: Re: Lollapalooza not welcome at Great Woods, MA
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:00:07 GMT

In article <berthiau.714066116@iros1>, berthiau@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Andre Berthiaume) writes:
(actually wendy, not andre)

|> First off, how can you call it a tradition if Lollapalooza has only
|> been around for TWO years?  Also, there had been no such reported 
|> incidents during last year's tour.

But there *were* bonfires at most of last year's shows, and there
have been at most of this year's shows.  I can call it a tradition
if it occurs many times, consistently.  It's a tradition from show
to show, and so far, from last year to this year.

|> minutes south of Boston, so it's basically the authorities in THAT
|> area.  And WHO would have foreseen the lighting of bonfires at an 
|> event that was considered quite successful last summer?  And would

It must have been an exception if there were none last year.

|> you call it an "accepted" risk if these bonfires had gotten out of
|> control and spread to the surrounding areas?  AND not to mention that 
|> there are about several thousand show-goers, some of whom may or may not
|> have agreed to have such potentially dangerous hazards set up during the
|> show.  And, if this the lighting of such bonfires do happen at other
|> venues, then the "tradition" of Lollapalooza may as well end this year, 
|> because what owners of these venues in their right mind would like to 
|> have their sites damaged by these bonfires.  (BTW, Great Woods IS in
|> a wooded area, and imagine what would have happened if one of these
|> bonfires had gotten out of control and spread beyond the concert site!)
|> Also, if such bonfires were to be such a tradition, would that mean
|> bonfires set at indoor venues???  Get a clue.

Lollapalloza never has and never will be indoors.  The organizers have 
made that clear from the start.  All of this is just pouting and 
whining.  It sounds like you're about 40 years old.  And I have a clue,
maybe you need to get a life.

|> Ah!! So, you're NOT going this year!  Then what gives you the right to 
|> say that it if you're not going to be there to experience the 
|> wonderfully sick thrill of moshing around a bonfire?  And if your
|> backyard was right next to a concert site, would you want kids to start
|> tearing up your fence to start a bonfire?

I have every right to defend the setting of bonfires.  I speak from
experience (dallas, '91 during Siouxsie).  And I've been in more mosh
pits than how many Greenpeace fliers you have shoved up your ass.
  
|> Personally, I do like the idea of bonfires at Lollapalooza, but not if
|> they are going to be randomly set with potential to do harm to people 
|> and property.  They would work if Lollapalooza organizers are able to 
|> regulate such bonfires.

Crybaby wank.

Marcel,
mlevi@rice.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Re: TMBG Tee-shirts
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 13:55:00 GMT


In a previous article, adamw@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Adam Douglas WEISSER) says:

>Where can I get my hands on a They Might Be Giants Tee-shirt or underpants or
>anything??! I'd love to show everyone what awesome taste in music I have...
>
>		Ads
>
>
>

I got my Tshirt at a concert (It's the one with them coming from a
factory).  In any case, why not write them at:

They Might Be Giants Information Club
PO Box 110553-A
Williamsburgh Station
Brooklyn, NY 11211=0003

If you send $2 they
they'll let you join.  (-:
-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
Pro-Choice/Pro-Clinton/Gore '92
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From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Finitribe Album?
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Keywords: Finitribe
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:19:49 GMT

In article <dennis.713749806@citr.uq.oz.au> dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer) writes:
>Greetings
>
>Can somebody tell me if the 'Tribe have a recent album (i.e one
>that would include '101' and the new single).
>
>Also any recommendations for pre-101 material, and an indication of the
>type of sound they had at this time.
>
>Mucho appreciato

    Their new album is being released anytime now on Epic records.
  (..but, gasp!, that's MAJOR LABEL MUSIC.  Evil evil evil. )

                                                      K!z!K
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
From: ncpn@engin.umich.edu (Paul Rank)
Subject: Re: Sonic Youth Tour Dates Wanted
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 13:27:22 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Aug18.193616.12176@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan) writes:
>I hear the Sonic Youth is coming to the Detroit area soon.  Does anyone have

Sean,  Where and when in Detroit?????????

Thanks,
Paul


-- 
Paul Rank             ncpn@caen.engin.umich.edu                           

Shop as usual.....And avoid panic buying......
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.misc
From: james@raveup.b24a.ingr.com (Teddie James)
Subject: Luna (was Re: Feelies info)
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:23:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.024520.13182@athena.mit.edu>, ben@athena.mit.edu (Ben) writes:
|> 
|> The band is Luna, there's a CD or CD-EP or something coming out on some major-- I think Elektra-- and they've already done a single, sometimes labeled "Dean Wareham," on  No. 6 records.  It's got a bright yellow sleeve and two OK songs, and Stanley Demesk|> i does not play drums on it.  The guy from G500 is, obviously by now, Dean Wareham, who plays guitar.  The guy from the Chills is Justin Harwood, who plays bass.  There's a very long, very interesting interview with 
|> Dean W and Justin H (but not Stanley D) in a zine called Non-Stop Diatribe, 

That's funny.  I saw a postcard from the record label that announced the new
band.  It had a picture of all three members including Stan Demeski.  I don't
know why he wasn't included in the article.  I doubt that the record label
stuck him in the picture just to sell records.

Any idea where I can pick up a copy of this magazine?  I'm almost certain
that I can't find it here in conservative HuntsVegas.


			        TEDDIE JAMES
			   Intergraph Corporation
			       Huntsville, AL
			        205-730-8065
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