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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:25:00 EDT
From:         "The Large Guy with Buckwheat's Hair." <LANDAS88@SNYPOTVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: drives clicking?

Date sent: 15-OCT-1992

>In article <1992Oct14.191312.15034@cs.aukuni.ac.nz>, writes:
>> In <9210140647.AA00657@netcom.netcom.com> jonin@NETCOM.COM writes:
>
>>>use nickprefs.
>
>> Just my $0.05 worth.  Another program fro 2.04 is called starclick.  It stops
>> the drives from clicking among other things.  NikPrefs is better but who
>cares.
>
>Some drives are very resistant to "anti-clickers".  I have a set of extremely
>resistant drives.  I've tried several such programs, to no avail.  Other people
>have been luck enough to kill the dreaded click on the first try.  Argggghhhh!
>Starclick didn't do anything for me.  I haven't tried NickPrefs, however.  If
>your drive still clicks after running one of these programs (or several of
>these programs in my case), it's probably not the program's fault.
>
>CLICK...CLICK...CLICK...CLICK..."Ah, shut-up and eat one of these disks!"
>
>Joe
>--
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PD noclick fixed it for me on the first try sorry. :)

-Nyle

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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 21:42:26 +0100
From:         GWEYENS@BBRBFU60.BITNET
Subject:      <none>

SUBJECT: FF 711-720
FROM: Guy Weyens <GWEYENS@BBRBFU60.BITNET>

For some unknown reason, it seems that I am missing
the contents of the Fred Fish collection 711-720.
Could someone email this directly to me?
Thanks a lot.
Guy
GWEYENS@BBRBFU60.BITNET
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:22:47 EST
From:         fulton@LATCS1.LAT.OZ.AU
Subject:      Satan's Abysmal Hell
              "LH%SELDC52.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU" at Oct 3, 92 04:40:00 pm

    Does anyone know were I can ftp this program (it's a port of Scorched Earth
for the amiga)

		Thanx
			John

  p.s  I read a review that says its crap on the amiga [too slow] but if you
run Scorched earth on anything lower that a 386 it's crap too anyone want to
comment?
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Subject: Re: IDE Cards
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One minor thing: You cannot use the IBM controller card (unless you have a
bridgeboard). You must get an IDE controller for the Amiga bus. Sorry about
that (I read the message slightly wrong.)

                        -Lloyd-
From: jonin@NETCOM.COM ((Daniel Joseph Oak))
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Subject: Re: your mail (drives clicking?) (tounge?)
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              "I-AMIGA@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu" at Oct 15, 92 1:28 am

|May I assume that if the drives are not clicking, that DF1: will stop slowly
|pushing the floppy out of the drive as it sits awaiting insertion (depending
|on my mood... :>)
|
|It looks for all the world like my Amiga is sticking its tongue out at me!!
|
|;>
|Crystal

 ah - your drive will "push" the disk out of it's drive?  That's odd.  Is this
typical of the drives?  My amiga drive died about 2 years ago and I replaced
it with an air drive, and to things even more fun - my 2000 is on it's side
 (ala Tower) and I cannot for the life of me remember a time of the disk being
pushed out.  Do you have some automated drive? (like the Ae Drive)
 :)  Just curious.

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From: R.Tait@BNR.CO.UK
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Subject: Re: NEC 3FGX monitor
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:50:45 GMT
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> I am using the NEC 4FG monitor, which is similar to the 3 FGx in the
> scanning frequencies. The only thing I cannot currently do is PAL mode.
> You will have to use the de-interlace port since neither monitor will
> scan down to 15.7Khz. (But then again that is why you want to get this
> monitor in the first place.) You should also be able to crank the overscan
> up quite a bit and use the full area of the screen.
>
> I just got mine about 2 weeks ago and really love it! Good luck.

Hi,
I just read your post on I-AMIGA, so I hope you don't mind me writing to you
like this. I am seriously considering getting a MultiSync, and I was wondering
if you have come across any problems in installing it, getting it working etc.

My current setup is a B2000, 5MB RAM and 440MB HD. I have WB2.04 and all the
various Fat Agnuses etc (1MB Chip). Do you have a 3000? If not, which
Flicker-Fixer did you get? I am seriously considering trading in my 2000 for a
3000 as the dealer over here in the UK have amazing deals going right now. If
I was to get a 3000, would the 4FG plug straight in, and would I have a
Hi-Res Interlace rock-steady display with no hassle?

One thing that bothers me though - how come you can't display PAL mode? Is
that due to your Amiga being US spec? Or is it the monitor?

Thanks in advance,

---
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:15:00 EDT
From:         DELANEYD@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: A4000

Nyle,

>
>   Oh only about 2 hours and 45 minutes. :)   But I'll check out ICL.  Could
>you send me some wuick directions.  :)

        I just posted the directions here for someone else yesterday.  If you
didn't catch them, let me know and I would be more than happy to the directions.
Just be sure to let me know which way you would be coming into syracuse and
on which road.

        ->dave
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From: CSECRET@BMSUEM11.BITNET (Dufranne Frdric)
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Subject: Sound modules *.mod
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:13:48 GMT
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I search for sound modules (*.modk who to find in FTP site AB20 from i don't
know have access.

Please respond directly to me because i am not in this list.

Thanks
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From: rghester@eos.ncsu.edu (Rodney Hester)
Subject: Re: Links in AmigaDOS
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:19:21 GMT

In article <01GPPOBTGAY0934PON@ITHACA.BITNET> Jim Loomis <LOOMIS@ITHACA.BITNET> writes:
>Is there any particular advantage to using a soft link, as compared to using an
>IconX script?

They are intended to do two completely different things.  Soft links provide
two important advantages: 1) they allow you to have two identical copies of a
file on two different volumes, but only take up the space of one, and 2) they
insure that all copies of a particular file will remain identical, since the
link is not a real file but merely a pointer to the original.  Ergo, if you
change the original, the link will change as well (and vice-versa).

IconX is useful only for running AmigaDOS scripts from the Workbench.  It was
the first bridge between the Workbench and AmigaDOS before the 'Execute
command' menu option became available (although they are still used for
different purposes).

Did I make it as clear as muddy water?



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           //       Rodney Hester - rghester@eos.ncsu.edu         //
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From: wetzels@AMC.UVA.NL
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Subject: RE: broken 68000 = guru ???
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:47:33 GMT
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Netters,

>>>If the 68000 works 99.9%. What do you mean that only 99.9% of the
>>>instructions
>>>don't work at all or that 99.9% of the time the processor is doing nothing.
>>
>>I'm not sure what i mean! The only thing I know is that my Amy gurus
>>two or three times per day and I DONT LIKE IT!!!
>>And I try to find any reason to what it can be!
>>When I come home tonight I'll write down my modifications I have made
>>to startup-sequence and user-startup. And the different guru-numbers
>>I get. (8000.0003 and 8100.0005 is two of them)
>
>...
>
>Could it be a *virus* ??
>

I hope not...

Frank
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From:         "(Ferette L.)" <lferette@IS1.VUB.AC.BE>
Subject:      Re: Looking for a vi clone
              at

>
>
> Does anyone know if there exists (and if so where) a small PD vi clone?
> AmiElvis is just too big an archive, I'm looking for a small clone
> similar to Z for MSDOS.  I avoided doing an archie search because the
> volume of responses for "vi" would be overwhelming.
> --
    You can have a look at 'vim' or 'stevie', which you can both find on a
Fred Fish disk (I forgot the number, sorry)...

    Hope this helps,
    Lionel 'Mac Gyver' Ferette
    lferette@ulb.ac.be
From: LANDAS88@SNYPOTVA.BITNET (The Large Guy with Buckwheat's Hair.)
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Subject: Re: A500 or A500+ or A600
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Date sent: 16-OCT-1992

>To All,
>
>I have just decided to purchase a low end AMIGA to enter the wonderful
>world of AMIGA's!  I'd  buy the new A4000 but I don't think my credit
>card could handle it!  I've limited my self to an A500, A500+ or A600.
>The only problem is I don't know which one to buy?  If you haven already
>guessed the question....Can any one tell me the differences between them?
>and which one do you think I should buy and why?  Any response would be
>much appreciated!
>                                         Thanks!
>
>                                         Timothy Moy

Tim,
    Are you set on a new low end machine?  You may also want to look for a used
Amiga 2000.  I know that the main difference between the A500 and A600 is size.
But another consideration is that apparantely the A600 internal chips are
soldered dirrectly to the motherboard.  Since they are not socketed upgrade
and/or replacement becomes a hassle.  The expansion port on the 600 is also
apparantely different.  It's supposed to be better, but as of now there does
not see to be a lot of cards supprting it.  An issue or two, of AmigaWorld, ago
they gave a more detailed scoop on the A600.  I haven't seen why this machine
is any cooler than a A500 unless you are talking size.  The A500 is currently
much better supported.  At least from my understanding.

 I believe, and I'm not sure on this, the all A500+ is, is a A500 with software
bundle.  Correct me on this one guys, but be gentle.  My friend got his A500 in
a package deal called the A500 plus and all that was different at least for
him than the A500 was that he got a software bundle with it.


-Nyle

P.S. But looking for a used 2000 may be a good option.  Since the cost would be
low and youd have more expandability with it's card slots.

                  Good luck and welcome to AMIGA. :)

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|    Nyle F. Landas      |     LANDAS88@SNYPOTVA        |   SPOTVB::LANDAS88   |
|______________________________________________________________________________|
|  C= Amiga  For creative power.                                               |
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:41:00 EST
From:         doleckma <DOLECKMA@SNYALFVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: DICE

Getting the 2.04 Native Developer Update from C= is really a good idea,
even if you have purchased a commercial compiler that already has the
includes and libraries included.  I received the kit about a month ago.
It has huge amounts of information, some examples, the headers and autodocs
of course, plus several programming utilities that are VERY helpful.  I am
also using GCC2.2.2 (had to buy some more memory for this one!!!) and
Manx Aztec C 5.2a.  The version of the c.lib (and the amiga.lib) included
with Aztec is not as up to date as the one on the Native Developer Kit.
You can also turn around and use the amiga.lib and header files with GCC
if you want, but GCC is a BEAR on memory - 5 megs plus is a nice place to
start...

Mark Dolecki    Computer Specialist -- Alfred Tech      doleckma@snyalfva
                doleckma@snyalfva.cc.alfredtech.edu
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From: JFUSCO@IATS.AVLABS.MDC.COM (John Fusco)
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Subject: Re: A4000 test drive
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:13:07 GMT
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> I have a simple 'C' question...
>
> How can I get #? expanded?
>
> i.e., I wrote this program that I want to give a list of file names
>

I have done this successfully with Lattice C using a procedure called
"dfind". Off the top of my head, I don't remember if this is a
Lattice procedure or part of the dos library.  This procedure
accepts a filename argument, which may contain wildcards.  Hope this
helps.

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Date: 16 Oct 92 22:45:00 GMT
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Date: FRI, OCT 16, 1992,  3:22 PM
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From: JEFF-SARGEANT

Subject:  RE: A500 or A500+ or A600

You may want to check places like Creative Computing.  While on-hold last
night waiting to place an order, they played an announcement that the
low-end A3000 was available for US$1500.  I haven't paid that much attention
to the 3000 so I'm not sure if this is a good price or not.  Anybody know?

Jeff
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:00:15 -0400
From:         "Daniel S. Riley" <dsr@LNS598.TN.CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: High density drives on Amiga (inf0)

DELANEYD@SNYSYRV1.bitnet writes:
>      Hmm.  As I haven't received my nov. amigaworld (they keep on delivering
>it later and later each month)- I can't comment on the article.   I have read
>though that all chips are 32bit.  However, it seems to be the consensus that
>the drive is the halved type.

The speed or the width of the bus doesn't have that simple a
relationship to the speed of the exernal interfaces of the chips--you
can't just widen up the bus, and everything else magically speeds up.
Instead, when you make the bus faster or wider, it makes it *possible*
to put a faster chip on that bus, but you need a faster chip to take
advantage of the faster bus.  The Lisa graphics chip which replaces
Denise is a completely new design, will a full 32-bit bus interface
and faster memory access to support all the new graphics mode, and
it's that combination of faster, wider bus and faster, wider chip that
make the new graphics modes work.

Paula, however, is the same as the ECS Paula, and the floppy drive
interface is part of Paula.  What determines the floppy drive
interface speed is the clock speed Paula can accept on the floppy
interface.  Since Paula hasn't changed, this maximum speed has not
changed--so the HD drive in the A4000 must be one of the half-speed
types.

Alice, btw, is still a 16-bit chip, but it can now direct 32 bit
transactions on the chip bus.  So the blitter and copper are still
the same speed (but they will get more time because there are more
free time slots on the chip bus).  Just the display and sprite
engines in Lisa are full 32-bit double speed.

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From: sbaker@starl.miami.fl.us (Stephen Baker)
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Subject: Re:      Re: How do I validate! I'm going CRAZY!
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:51:25 EST
Organization: Starlight BBS Miami Fl

In article <2225*uel111r2a.x.tferi4@uni-lj.SI>,        
uel111r2a.x.tferi4@UNI-LJ.SI writes:
>>How do you validate a disk partition that has been messed up?  I can't
>>delete any of the files or anything without getting a "disk dh2: not
>>validated" error!  I've tried everything I can think of.  Please Help!
>
>Are you using 1.3 or 2.0? Under 1.3 you must have the file Disk-Validator
>in your L directory (under 2.0 the disk-validator is in ROM). After booting
>wait a few minutes, so that the validator can do its job. After it has
>finished, everything should be OK. If the validator couldn't do its job
>like it should, then it will display an error (f.e. key 664 used twice, or
>some other error). If you get such an error, then you should either use
>FixDisk or backup the disk and reformat it.
>
>Hope this helps,
>               Blaz
>
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You can Also Use QuarterBack Tools as well to do the job. Takes Some time, but
it Does Work Well.

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From:         Lance Tagliapietra <96720919@UCS.UWPLATT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Amigas & Tape Drives

>Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:27:28 +0100
>From: Rick Tait <R.Tait@BNR.CO.UK>
>Subject: Amigas & Tape Drives
>
>Hi,
>
>I have ftp'd a few files from the Net onto my Sparc IPX at work. Unfortunately,
>some of these files are over a meg long - compressed. For smaller stuff, I have
>simply put the files onto a PC formatted disk which I had mounted as /pcfs.
>Since the Amiga can only handle 720k PC disks - I cannot use HD. My problem is
>thus: How do I get _large_ files from my Sparc to my Amiga without resorting
>to connecting it to the network? (ie Ethernet cards/RS-232 etc).

Use a filesplit utility.  Lha release 1.11 came with one written in C
including the source.  It is 2 screens long and looks very portable.
There is a compainion filejoin utility which also includes the source in
C.

The filesplit program allows you to specify the size of the files the
archive is to be split into.

[...]
>So in short - any method of getting large (1MB+) files onto my Amiga is
>*greatly* appreciated (and wanted).
>
>---
>Rick M. Tait   Networking Software Engineer, Bell Northern Research (Europe)
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-Lance
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Subject: Re: your mail (drives clicking?)
From: cwhi2@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Craig Dean          Whitmore       )
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:13:12 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland

In <9210140647.AA00657@netcom.netcom.com> jonin@NETCOM.COM ((Daniel Joseph Oak)) writes:

>well you say your drives are driving you nuts with that clicking sound?
>well fret no further...

>if you have 2.04 that is. :)

>use nickprefs.  there is a drive prefs that has some detailed info - but at
>the smallest aspect you can silence the drives. :) I used it and the second
>I tried it - that nasty noise went away.  Needless to say I am a happy customer.

Just my $0.05 worth.  Another program fro 2.04 is called starclick.  It stops
the drives from clicking among other things.  NikPrefs is better but who cares.

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