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From: DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: BACKUP 'enhancement' in VMS V5.5-2
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:35:47 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I'm posting the following note from DECUServe for Bob Doherty, 
<doherty@eisner.decus.org>.  

                  <<< EISNER::DUA2:[NOTES$HIVOL]VMS.NOTE;1 >>>
                         -< VMS and bundled utilities >-
================================================================================
Note 1962.0             VMS 5.5-2 Backup in a subprocess                 1 reply
EISNER::DOHERTY "Bob Doherty"                        39 lines  15-DEC-1992 08:57
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    It appears that in the process of fixing the bug in BACKUP wrt backing
    up to multivolume backup sets in a subprocess, DEC has broken BACKUP
    for some other uses in a subprocess, specifically (and unfortunately)
    the way VMSINSTAL uses BACKUP.
    
    Specifically, if you attempt to run VMSINSTAL from a subprocess to
    install, say, FORTRAN v5.9, just after the line
    Restoring Saveset A...
    the errors
    %BACKUP-F-DEVALLOC, unable to allocate device MSB0:
    -SYSTEM-F-DEVMOUNT, device is already mounted.
    are obtained, and VMSINSTAL terminates.
    
    The behavior can be duplicated by the following sequence of commands,
    assuming that the FORTRAN v5.9 tape is on MSB0:
    
    SPAWN
    %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process DOHERTY_1 spawned
    %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process DOHERTY_1
    MOUNT/FOR MSB0:
    %MOUNT-I-WRITELOCK, volume is write locked
    %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, FORT mounted on _VAX750$MSB0:
    BACKUP MSB0:FORT059.A [.VMI]
    %BACKUP-F-DEVALLOC, unable to allocate device MSB0:
    -SYSTEM-F-DEVMOUNT, device is already mounted.
    
    If the prelimnary MOUNT command is not given, and BACKUP is allowed to
    mount volume itself, the backup command works normally.  Unfortunately,
    VMSINSTAL uses the separate MOUNT.
    
    This behavior does NOT occur with the BACKUP on a VMS 5.5-1 system.
    
    The version of backup which shows the incorrect behavior is X-8 with a
    link date/time of 10-SEP-1992 20:51:25.65.
    
    The version of backup which does not show the behavior is X-10 with a
    link date/time of 12-OCT-1991 04:57:31.81
    
    mumble

In private Email, Bob wrote to me, in part:

I have reported the problem to TSC, and they duplicated it on a 5.5-2 as well 
as a 6.0 field test system.  They also said they were working on a patch, but 
it wasn't ready yet.  

> Where can I get X-10...
I brought it back from our 5.5-1 system backup, right after upgrading to
5.5-2.  From the link date (12-Oct-1991) it should be on systems bwtween
5.5-1 back to say 5.4-3.  The version numbers don't make any sense to me,
but they're not typos(the backup version numbers, that is).

	Bob

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Posted to INFO-VAX (comp.os.vms) for Bob Doherty by Dan Wing,
dwing@uh01.colorado.edu.
From: 92636828s@csghsg5a.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: email over port 25 ??
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:10:06 GMT
Organization: University of St.Gallen, Switzerland

How is it possible to send email directly over port 25 of a machines
node, that means when you have a telnet connection like this:

			telnet alpha.ufo.ch 25

I always get the connection but after 2 seconds and some messages sent
from the machine (TCP-SLAVE etc.) the connection is closed again
abruptly.

		Any kind of help is appreciated.

					David
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From: fox@rudolf.nscl.msu.edu (Ron Fox)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: xterm for VMS available?
Keywords: xterm,vms
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:51:59 GMT
Reply-To: fox@rudolf.nscl.msu.edu (Ron Fox)
Organization: National Superconducting Cyclotron Lab.


--
  Sorry if the answer is in the FAQ and software listings, but those
have fallen off the back end of our campus NNTP server by now (probably
pushed off by all those anti-gavron flames :-)).

  I am looking for an implementation of xterm that runs on VMS/DECWINDOWS/MOTIF.
Failing that are there any other TEKTRONIX-4010/4015 freeware terminal
emulator packages that run in that environment?  Please send answers
by E-mail to any of the addresses above or below.
	Thanks in advance,
	Ron Fox

Ron Fox                     | FOX@MSUNSCL.BITNET      | Where the name 
NSCL                        | FOX@RUDOLF.NSCL.MSU.EDU | goes on before
Michigan State University   | MSUHEP::RUDOLF::FOX     | the quality
East Lansing, MI 48824-1321 |                         | goes in.
USA
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS)
Subject: Re: How to prevent login.com from running.
Originator: storrs@c20002-121rd.che.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: storrs@eos.ncsu.edu (JERRY STORRS)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:35:21 GMT


In the UAF the command file to be run can be named.  LOGIN.COM is the default;
however, I do not know if there is a possible NOLGICMD. Or you might putting
something in the sylogin.com file (systemwide login file).

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   storrs@che.ncsu.edu (preferred)      || will call him Immanuel, which means
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From: terry@spcvxb.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Page and Swap File Names Missing
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:38:41 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1ga4tjINN1o8s@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE>, moravec@NEWTON.PH1.UNI-KOELN.DE (Andreas Moravec) writes:
> you can set file/prot=w=r onto pagefile.sys  AND
>         set file/prot=w   onto directory containing the page/swapfile
> 
> here is the output from a normally priv. user (TMPMBX,NETMBX):

  In general, it's not a good idea to rely on directory protections to protect
a file. In the case you describe above, I can still open the file by FID. This
won't stop someone who really wants to read the pagefile.

	Terry Kennedy		Operations Manager, Academic Computing
	terry@spcvxa.bitnet	St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
	terry@spcvxa.spc.edu	+1 201 915 9381
From: LPZ@LUDWIG.CTD.ORNL.GOV ("Lawrence MacIntyre - 615.576.0824")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: LAT-speaking interface card for HP laser
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:49:30 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

>I am looking for an ethernet interface card that speaks LAT,for the
>HP Laserjet II and the new Laserjet 4. Can anyone point me in the
>right direction?  Recommendations, experiences, etc.

At DEXPO, there was a company called Gold Key Electronics that had their Gold
Card Si which will plug into a HP Laserjet IIISi, DesignJet Plotter, PaintJet
XL300, or the LaserJet 4.  It supports LAT and emulates LN03+ as well
(optional).  This option senses LN03, PoasScript, ASCII, HP PCL, and HP-GL/2
and sets the printer accordingly.  The normal card is $895 and the one with the
extra features is $1295.  They can be reached at:

Gold Key Electronics, Inc.
18 Lamy Drive
Goffstown, NH  03045                   1-800-325-0150

Note that I only saw this at DEXPO, I have never used one, and have never
talked to anyone who has...

                                  Lawrence
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          LPZ@ORNL.GOV                AT&T: 615.576.0824
From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: DFS performance
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:30:41 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	I am using DFS to centralize the location of a company telephonebook,
	which can be consulted with a SEARCH command.  What makes me consider
	the alternative of storing a copy of this huge file on  every node in
	the network is the low preformance of DFS. To illustrate I give some
	average figures of 100 SEARCH commands, performed on the system where
	the datafile is local and on a system that accesses the file using DFS

	                       local        DFS
	---------------------------------------
	average cpu(sec)       3.7          3.6
	average elapsed(sec)   5.7         20        <---------
	average bufio          6.8          7
	average dio           59           59
	average pgflts       136           80

	Is there a way to reduce the elapsed time ? I doubt that improving
	caching can help because the searches are very likely random.

You've omitted the one piece of information necessary to be able to give a
reasonable answer:  What kind of link you have to the DFS server.  I just did
a quick check here, and a search through a 437 block long file resulted in
29 direct I/O's.  Assuming this scales directly, the file you are searching
must be on the order of 480 blocks, or about 245kbytes, long.  It takes a
while to move that much data!

DFS's performance is actually extremely good.  On an Ethernet, it is just
about the equivalent of LAVC performance.  But if it has to move many
thousands of bytes of data over a slow link, well, you're going to have to
wait.

Suggestion:  Write a little server application that sends the data to be
searched over to the node with the file, does the search there, and returns
the result.  That's a much more effective use of bandwidth.

							-- Jerry
From: geemic@hhcs.gov.au
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: problem with DCL program
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:58:22 +1100
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

In article <1992Dec9.135504.28330@slcs.slb.com>, brydon@asl.slb.com (Harvey Brydon (918)250-4312) writes:
> In article <1992Dec4.080142.1@elwing.fnal.gov>, lauri@elwing.fnal.gov
> (Laurelin of Middle Earth) writes:
>>  ...    Another example: 
>>you're procedure uses DIRECTORY/OUTPUT=temp-file and then parses
>>temp-file to get directory information; but the user has set up
>>something that changes the meaning of the DIRECTORY command and your
>>parsing blows up.  Etc.
>>
>>The recommended way out of this is to:
>>
>>	$ TYPE :== TYPE
>>	$ DIRECTORY :== DIRECTORY
>>	$ etc.
>>
>>for all of the DCL commands that you're planning on using in your
>>command procedure...
> 
> Bzzzzt.  This has the obvious disadvantage of being impossible to clean up
> after the command procedure has completed.  A better way is to define local
> symbols:
> 
> 	$ TYPE := TYPE
> 	$ DIRECTORY := DIRECTORY
> 	$ etc.
> 
> which override the global symbols during your command procedure and clean
> themselves up (by self deletion) when you exit the command procedure.
> _______________________________________________________________
> Harvey Brydon         | Internet:   brydon@dsn.SINet.slb.com
> Dowell Schlumberger   | P.O.T.S.:   (918)250-4312
> Kubrick fans will note that the HAL 9000 became operational on 12-JAN-1992.


   I guess that you could do it that way but it could end up being a pretty 
   tedious job defining local symbols for each DCL instruction used within 
   the program.

   A better way might be to force VMS to interrupt the command correctly 
   by repeating the last letter of the command a few times each time it is
   used.

            EG.  $ typeee text.txt
                
   You may repeat the last letter of the command as many times as you like
   with the only limit being the size of the command buffer.

   You might still have to convice yourself that no user is likely to use
   symbols like DIRECTORYYYY.
   
Mike Gee
Brisbane, Australia.

Xref: sparky comp.os.vms:19236 vmsnet.uucp:859
From: sbrant@npal.rn.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.uucp
Subject: Decnet/UUCP Mail help please
Date: 14 Dec 92 10:10:49 EDT
Organization: PalNet -- Indianapolis, Indiana

Hello:

	Please excuse the last post, I have installed a new VI editor and
	for some unknown reason, it sometimes crashes and as a result a blank
	message gets sent.  I tried to delete it so sorry if it got out.

	The problem --

	We have machine 'A' connected via uucp to internet.  
	Machine 'B' is connected to 'A' via decnet/ethernet.

	Setting a forward in mail on machine A to user on machine B works
	fine.
		

		The problem comes when a user on 'B' wants to reply to a 
		network mail message forwarded from 'A'.  As you have guessed
		by now, it wont work.

		I have installed uucp on 'B' but it wants a serial line to connect
		to 'A'.

		What we need is a way for B to talk to A or A to poll B for work
		via Decnet/Ethernet.

		Running VMS 5.4-3,  uucp2.0 

		Does anyone out there have any solutions to this ?

		I will post a summary if there is enough interest.

		Regards and Happy Holidays!



-- 

                                                     Steven B. Brant
________________________________________________________________________
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From: BUHLE@XRT.UPENN.EDU ("E. Loren Buhle, Jr. [-662-3084]", 215)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Extension cable for DEC keyboard and mouse
Date: 11 Dec 92 13:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

>Hello,
>we are looking for extension cables for DEC keyboards and mice. DEC seems not to 
>sell thuis kind of stuff. Has anyone an idea where to buy or even the connectors ?
>ThanX !

I looked into this ~6months ago. My DECstation is ~5ft behind the chair facing 
the moniter, with the mouse/keyboard cable running across the floor. I don't 
like it. So . . .

I tried a straight cable to "just extend" the mouse/keyboard cable. The 
DECstation crashed. Perhaps there is something special about the cable?
I called DEC people all over the US (to just buy one or just get the wiring 
diagram of the cable) and the final answer "DEC doesn't recommend doing it at 
all". I did put the moniter on a standard RGB (BNC) extension cable and aside 
from lower intensity output on the moniter, it works just fine.

So I've had this grossly short cable running across the floor . . . keeps me 
awake enough not to fall over it! If you find anything, please let me know!

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University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine         Phone: 215-662-3084
Rm 440A, 3401 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA 19104-6228   FAX: 215-349-5978
From: anos@elmrd6.ineab.ikea.se
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Monitor Cluster problem
Date: 19 Dec 92 16:03:58 +0200
Organization: IKEA Northern Europe AB

Hi folks

I have a problem at a customer site with the cluster setup (at least I 
think so). When I/they are trying to use MONITOR CLUSTER, we get an
error message saying something like (I'm at home now)

	MONITOR-E-NODEINIERR, error during node initialization

The result is that no other but the local node is shown. My question is,
what components (processes, accounts, network objects etc) are involved
in the cluster monitoring (like SMISERVER for Sysman).

Thanks for quick help !

Anders

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From: leichter@lrw.com (Jerry Leichter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: WHat is the trick with $ DIR /EXCLUDE   ?
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:06:02 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


	at the root of the disk [000000]
	I want a full DIR of the disk excluding *.EXE & *.C for example.

	$ DIR [*...]/siz/date/excl=([*...]*.exe,[*...]*.c) /out=myfile.txt

	But it doesnt work   i.e.  there are EXE  in the output.

Try:
	$ DIR [*...]/siz/date/excl=(*.exe,*.c) /out=myfile.txt

That is, leave out the directory specifications in a /EXCL list - they aren't
needed.

However, it should have worked anyway; I don't know why it didn't.

							-- Jerry
From: samra@twics.co.jp
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: DecWindows on a PC?
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:18:58 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan


Can anyone recommend a terminal emulation package for the PC that allows 
the PC to run DecWindows software (eg. emulate VT340 etc.) - A Regis compatible
terminal would also help. - Thanks.
From: mgrthh@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu (Thomas H. Hopson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: How to prevent login.com from running.
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:22:34 GMT
Reply-To: mgrthh@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu


In article <16DEC199207414068@spades.aces.com>, system@spades.aces.com
 (SYSTEM MANAGER [Ehud Gavron]) writes:
>In article <11345@prijat.cs.uofs.edu>, gavinl1@jaguar.uofs.edu
>writes...
># 
># 
>#I was wondering if there is any way to globally not run any users's login.coms.
># 
>#We have an command running from rshell and we do not want the user's login.com
>#to run for this command.  I realize the users can put in a check for non-
>#interactive processes, but that is not the preferred method.  I would like 
>#something more automated that I can control.
># 
>#Thanks for any help...
>
>Modify the SYSUAF entry so LGICMD is not LOGIN.
>Add the following to the end of sys$sylogin:
>
>$ if f$mode() .nes. "NETWORK" .and. f$search("sys$login:login.com") .nes. "" -
>	then @sys$login:login.com
>
>
>Note that users can no longer use the /NOCOM qualifier on their
>username when logging in.
>

How about modifying the SYSUAF entry so that LGICMD is a specific file
(for example, SYS$MANAGER:SYSWIDE_LOGIN.COM) that everyone can read or at
least execute, containing the line above.  There would be no modification
needed to the actual SYLOGIN.

With this solution, /NOCOMMAND or /COMMAND would still work as expected.
We used (pretty much) this solution at Rose because people who set process
names or performed terminal interaction in their LOGIN.COM were getting 
hosed when trying to log in through DECwindows/Motif.

							- Tom

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VMS Manager / CS geek                       mgrthh@rhit
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology   play: hopsonth@cs.rose-hulman.edu
Terre Haute, Indiana
From: mgrthh@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu (Thomas H. Hopson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: VMS C with mktime function avaible
Date: 16 Dec 1992 23:54:27 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mgrthh@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu
Keywords: mktime


In article <6524@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx>, jlromero@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx 
 (Ing. Jose Luis Romero Ogawa) writes:

>I'm trying to use mktime function in a VAX-C program, but this is not
>possible. I'm looking for a C compiler on VMS that I can use mktime
>function. Any help I appreciate . thanks.

Well, in VAX C 3.2 on VMS 5.4-3 (thru 5.5-1) the mktime() function has been
available but not documented.  If you look at your SYS$LIBRARY:TIME.H, you
should see a declaration like:

	time_t mktime (tm_t *timeptr);

..and it seems to work, or has for us in production for 8 months now.

Oh, and GCC 2.2 seems to have the mktime function, but if it works under
the version of VAX C and VMS you have, it would probably be easier to use it
there.

							- Tom

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VMS Manager / CS geek                       mgrthh@rhit
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology   play: hopsonth@cs.rose-hulman.edu
Terre Haute, Indiana
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: Not translating lexicals in symbols
Date: 17 Dec 1992 01:26:16 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Dec16.123301.20677@yang.earlham.edu>, alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu writes:
=I would like to have a symbol that has a lexical in it, but I don't want the
=lexical to be translated until the symbol is used.  For instance. make a symbol
=out of:
=
=     dir/since="''f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"
=
=The problem I am having is that the lexical either gets translated when I
=define the symbol:
=          dd:==dir/since=""'f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"""
=     Yeilds:
=          DD == "DIR/SINCE="16-DEC-1992 12:20:49.58-10""
=Or not at all:
=          dd:==dir/since=""""''f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"""
=     Yeilds:
=          DD == "DIR/SINCE="F$CVTIME(,absolute,)-10""
=The closest I can get is:
=          DD == "DIR/SINCE="'f$cvtime(,ABSOLUTE,)-10""
=     Using:
=          dd:==dir/since="""'f$cvtime(,"absolute",)-10"""
=But what I want is
=          DD == "DIR/SINCE="''F$CVTIME(,absolute,)-10""
=I understand what causes the output in all these cases... I was wondering if
=there is a way to get what I want.

To get the symbol you think you want:
$ DD == "DIR/SINCE="""+"'"+"'"+"F$CVTIME(,""ABSOLUTE"",)-10"""
$ SHOW SYM DD
  DD == "DIR/SINCE="''F$CVTIME(,"ABSOLUTE",)-10""
$ 'DD TMP.TMP;
Directory $1$DIA0:[CARL]

TMP.TMP;21                1/3       1992-12-16 17:23:10.32  (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)

Total of 1 file, 1/3 blocks.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.