HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: maynard@esther.msc.cornell.edu (Maynard J. Handley)
Subject: Windows NT (Not a flame.)
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 12:46:31 GMT

I've just read the latest Microsoft Systems Journal which contains two
articles on Windows NT. Man, this is beautiful technology. As a "classic"
OS, they seem to have learned from the mistakes of practically all their
predecessors. The article did not discuss networking support, but given the
artchitecture, it would seem no problem to get that right.

The standard MS problems remain- I don't see much evidence that the
toolbox/user interface part of NT are up to par with the MacOS yet.
However, and this seemed vey interesting, given the way the OS is designed,
I can't see why it couldn't run on an RS6000 or 68K CPU and have a Mac API
support subsystem, like the Win32, DOS and POSIX API support subsystems.
Thus we would have the advantage of a decent OS, along with a decent UI.

MS is pushing this thing for all its worth, and they don't seem to have
screwed up yet- $69 beta SDKs were clearly a very good idea. Given the way
this degree in which NT will look and feel like Win 3 successors, I see
this taking over not only the dOS market, but also the UNIX market- I saw
lots in NT I can't get from UNIX, and nothing UNIX gives me that I want,
and which isn't in NT.

Questions: (This is not a flame about look and feel. If you don't know the
difference between an OS and a UI, please keep your ignorance to yourself.
Sorry to be harsh, bu we all know how these things turn out.)
How does Apple plan to compete? Is the micro-kernel MacOS a reality? Will
AUX4/AIX offer the MP, multi-threading and security of WinNT, AND be the OS
for every Mac to use? We hear about how great object-orientation is (and I
agree completely- I now shudder at the thought of coding in anything but
C++) but what does object-orientation for OS get you, that a decent C++ API
to a traditional OS does not? Ie, what will be in Taligent to make it have
a hope in hell of competing against two years moment of WinNT?

Will Apple have to face the inevitable, and become a sort of high level
utility provider company, selling modules for the WinNT kernel that give it
a decent user interface with all the Mac customizability and ease of use we
expect?

Maynard Handley
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bx770@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James Marlow Blum)
Subject: WANTED: Monitor, card, and more!
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 02:43:43 GMT


I am looking for the following equipment:


----------------------------------------------------

8 to 16 MB of RAM for a Mac IIFX. (any vendor)

Will Pay $100 to $400 depending on amount and speed

----------------------------------------------------

ADB Keyboard (any vendor) $50 to $100 

and Mouse (any vendor)    $20 to $60

---------------------------------------------------

Mac Color Video Displays 13" and above $300 to $650
(display does NOT need to be produced by Apple)

NuBus Video Card 8 or 24 bit $100 to $300
(card does NOT need to be produced by Apple)  

--------------------------------------------------

If you would be intrested in selling me any
of these parts please call me at:

313-851-1996  ask for Jim

Thanks!


      
-- 
James Blum
Email: bx770@cleveland.freenet.edu
FAX: (313)339-3474
Newsgroups: cmu.comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.system
From: stever@netcom.com (Steve Riggins)
Subject: Re: feature or bug
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 20:17:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <keQOIoe00UhWQ1nkUn@andrew.cmu.edu> David Tsai <dt1n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Hi,
>    I've just notice that when you select a menu command when it is
>greyed out [meaning that it is supposed to be unavailible], you can
>still access the command.  For instance, goto your finder, and bring
>down the VIEW menu.  Select anything, except icon.  You will see the
>desktop act like a window...its handy but the desktop picture may be
>need a bit of refreshing.  
>    This grey menu selection feature/bug is also availible in MacMail 0.9.
>
>Dave
>

What version fothe System/Finder are you using?  When I go to my desktop, the View menu items do not work, as they shouldn't.  I'm running 7.0.1 with TuneUp 1.1.1

-- 
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AppleLink:  Voyager.geek       AOL:      RigginsS
CompuServe: 75300,1635         "Can never have enough EMail addresses"
From: peterc@cubetech.com (Peter Creath)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: new Inside Mac : Pascal or C ?
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 21:03:34 CDT
Organization: Cube Technologies
Reply-To: peterc@cubetech.com
            


In article <1992Jul22.125412.20240@python.microcom.com> (comp.sys.mac.system), short@microcom.com (Todd Short) writes:
> The problem of using both C and Pascal is the calling convention! C places the
> last argument on the stack first, Pascal puts the first argument on first. Also, 
> in C, the caller is supposed to clean up the stack, in Pascal, the callee does
> this.

Yup.

> If you were able to use straight C in programming a Mac, then Apple would
> have to modify a lot of system calls.

Yup.  Plus, C calls aren't very useful for writing external modules.
Using Pascal calling conventions, you can:

pascal myFunction(argument1, argument2, ProcAddress) = 4E90;

When your C compiler hits that, it puts the ProcAddress as the last
item on the stack.  The 4E90 (excuse me if I got the opcode wrong)
does an indirect jump/jsr off the stack.  It's very clean and efficient
in Assembly...

> Windows uses the Pascal structure, and the
> "keyword" _pascal must be used in C to prototype it.  As in:
> 
> 	extern far _pascal FunctionToBeCalled(...);
>
> Do any Mac C programmer's know if this is true?

Well, it's usually:

pascal long myFunction(...)
{
}

as the declaration, or

pascal long myFunction(...);

as the prototype.  Then you just call it as a normal function.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Creath                 "When I was a boy I was told that anybody could
peterc@cubetech.com           become president; I'm beginning to believe it."
                                                           -- Clarence Darrow
Organization: Junior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: cmu.comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.system
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:02:12 -0400 
From: David Tsai <dt1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: feature or bug

Hi,
    I've just notice that when you select a menu command when it is
greyed out [meaning that it is supposed to be unavailible], you can
still access the command.  For instance, goto your finder, and bring
down the VIEW menu.  Select anything, except icon.  You will see the
desktop act like a window...its handy but the desktop picture may be
need a bit of refreshing.  
    This grey menu selection feature/bug is also availible in MacMail 0.9.

Dave

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: Bad F-line instruction?
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:55:02 GMT


I had more to say on this subject, but I'm running late and will be
gone for a week.

I would like to solve this problem, so I'm going to volunteer to
be the information gatherer.  I will snag off all of the articles
that have been posted on this subject, and I would like to ask
that anyone who gets one of these errors send me any information
they can on the error and any after-effects.  I will correlate
this data when I return next week and post any findings at that
time.

-- 
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
..."I take my arms and I wrap them around my art." - F
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: thorn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Shannon Lee Thornburg)
Subject: Re: Sticky Mouse Problem
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:13:59 GMT

To add an observation about mouse buttons appearing to be stuck down:

My IIsi has had this problem from day one.  I now am on my third Apple mouse 
and second logic board and the problem persists, making me very doubtful that
it is a hardware problem (unless it's in the keyboard or cables).

BTW, I started with system 6.0.7 and now run 6.0.8.  I first noticed the mouse
button sticking before I added *any* non-Apple-standard inits, and it happens
in all my applications.

Sure wish this could be fixed.

-- Shannon Thornburg
   thorn@leland.stanford.edu
From: lkimes@alshain.usc.edu (Lance 'Moof' Kimes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Someone should start a recall drive against Gov. Wilson
Date: 24 Jul 1992 20:17:33 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: alshain.usc.edu


In article <CHET.92Jul24120216@jupiter.Advansoft.COM>, chet@Advansoft.COM (chet wood) writes:
|> Is there any talk of recalling the governor? Is there time to get it
|> on the November ballot?
|> 
|> While I don't pretend to understand all the subtleties of the budget
|> crisis, a governor who states publically that he would rather drive
|> his state into chaos rather than compromise on the budget is guilty of
|> gross misconduct. A governor's main job is to maintain order.
|> 
|> He is evidently pursuing this tactic to make the voters angry, as I
|> am--- angry enough that many of them will vote for his "welfare
|> reform" "initiative" that will give him almost dictatorial
|> budget-making powers at the expense of the legislature. 
|> 
|> I think we angry voters should be able to have another alternative.
|> Perhaps we could have an initiative to put the onus on the governor to
|> submit an acceptable budget by a certain date, with the penalty being
|> loss of his job.
|> 
|> Otherwise, just recall the turkey right now. 
|> 
|> the thing that makes me _really_ mad is that the fight is apparently
|> of whether to just _murder_ education, as the legislature wants, or to
|> _grossly_murder_ it.
|> 
|> This is simply impossible to understand. Education has been on the
|> defensive in California since Reagan was elected governor. When are
|> Californians going to wake up and realize that the economic well-being
|> of their state depends on having educated citizens. Californians must
|> have a death wish. Looks like they're getting their wish.
|> 
|> sheesh. 
|> 
|> (this is all my opinion, not my employers, of course)
|> 
|> chet.
|> --
|> Chet Wood     .      chet@advansoft.com      .     (408)727-3357 X269
|>     .    Advansoft Research Corporation  
|>          .      4301 Great America Parkway, Suite 600    
|>               .            Santa Clara, CA 95054, USA    



I know this is obvious, but............



save it for someone who cares.........



and post it to the proper newsgroup next time.

Lance Kimes
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jdb1@kepler.unh.edu (Jonathan D Baumgartner)
Subject: Re: command key equivelents in buttons- How?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:44:41 GMT

In <1992Jul29.141809.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> jlawrence@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>How do you add command key equivelents to buttons?  I know how to do it for
>menu items using resedit, and was wondering if there was a similar method for
>doing stuff like command- . for cancel buttons that do not have it and
> command-  n  for no buttons, and so forth.  Is there a quick method through Resedit or
>similar?  

Escapade will do this for most dialog boxes.  It's available at sumex-aim.

fish on ..


-- 
Jonathan D. Baumgartner         		         "D O T H  G R O O V E"
jdbaum@unh.edu
		 	 	      "It's just a matter of opinion" -- Primus
			  "I laughed 'til I stopped."  -- Tiny Toons Adventures
From: Laurie Carlson <honoluluweek@igc.org>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:53 PDT
Subject: Re: Funny files/folders in S7
Nf-ID: #R:inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk:4044:cdp:1364900039:000:155
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!honoluluweek    Jul 24 16:53:00 1992


A related question: On my fx, 7.0, Tuned 1.1.1, the _Move&Rename folder
often becomes visible? is this a hazard? can i trash it if it's empty?

tanks
mats

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Gavin Adams <gavin.adams@lso.mts.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Pathworks
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d1
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:54:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.005504.5135@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Shan Duncan,
duncan@loris.cisab.indiana.edu writes:
>Does anyone know where I can find information on Pathworks?  If
>there is another group that would be more appropriate please let
>me know.   Apple is pushing Pathworks, and everyone else is pushing
>Novell.  I know there is more support for Novell but have not heard
>much about Pathworks.

Pathworks is available from Digital Equipment Corporation.  It is an
intergration roduct similar to Netware, available for PC's (IBM flavor)
and Macintoshes.  A call to your local D.E.C. office will get sales
involved.

If you want additional info, mail me.

--- Gavin
Gone Fission.          Visualize Whirled Peas!