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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:50:36 -0400
From:         geary%cfa3.DECNET@CFA.HARVARD.EDU
Subject:      Coral death in the Turks

I was paging through some of the recent scuba-l files and came
across a nice piece on diving the Turks & Caicos on the Sea Dancer
(7 June, by Large Nassau Grouper Reef Fish, also known as Bob). I
too have recently dived this area and would like to comment further
on the coral destruction I observed, apparently similar to what
this earlier piece describes.

My wife and I spent 9 days on tiny Salt Cay, 10 miles south of
Grand Turk. The July issue of Skin Diver carries an extensive article
on diving there, especially on the undisturbed remains of the 40-gun
British frigate Endymion, which sank in 1790. This is indeed a
marvelous dive, despite the long schlepp over 16 miles of open
ocean in a totally unsuitable boat to get there.

But I digress. What I wanted to talk about here was the state of
the reefs in the southern Turks.  Almost all (at least 90%) of the
two most important reef-building corals, cavernous and mountainous
star coral, have been killed.  There were areas as wide as 50 yards
on the wall where I could find not a single living star coral head,
from the top at about 40 ft down to 100+ ft.  There was still a bit
of living star coral in the shallows, but most of the big star
coral mounds seemed to be dead on the bottoms, with only the topmost
tips alive.

Salt Cay has only 200 residents and almost no rainfall, so pollu-
tion or waste runoff are unlikely contributors.  Even out on the
Endymion site, 16 miles from the nearest inhabited land and as
pristine as it gets, the star corals were in bad shape.  What is
going on here?  I quizzed the divemaster extensively about the
possibility of high water temperatures causing this, but he said
that in the last two years he has never seen it above 82 degrees
(nor below about 79).  Scratch that.  Also, there have been no big
hurricanes for at least 10 years in these parts, maybe longer.

I have heard similar reports of reef mortality from San Salvador, to
the north of the Turks, and from the Caymans, although diver damage
may be a contributor here.  Has anyone else seen this in other
parts of the southern Atlantic and Caribbean?  I was in Bonaire in
March and everything looked fine, so whatever is going on farther
north in the Turks has not reached down there.

If anyone is thinking of visiting Salt Cay for a dive trip, they
should perhaps contact me first, especially if they are relying on
a very inaccurate description of the diving there furnished by In
Depth magazine a few months ago.  You expect this sort of overly
optimistic assessment from Skin Diver, but In Depth and Undercurrent
should do better (they cost enough).
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Subject: Re: I am on vacation
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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:10:41 GMT

In article <01GMO9TVFAL80001MO@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU> LAPORTEM@OSHKOSHW.BITNET writes:
>Date sent:  22-JUL-1992 09:12:31
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>>I will be out of the office on vacation Wednesday July 22, through Friday
>>July 24, returning to the office on Monday July 27.
>>
>>A copy of your electronic mail message has been saved in my mailbox. I
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>>on the 27th.
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>>Dave
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:43:00 LCL
From:         UH51@DKAUNI2.BITNET
Subject:      Re:Diving in Canada

Thank you all for the information on diving in Waterloo, Canada, and on
general life over there. I've been diving in Germany in a lake of about
4 degrees Centigrade in April. Okay, it was cold, but we did have fun.
Therefore, I will bring my wet-suit with me.
There are still some questions.
Do you measure depths in feet, or metric?
What is Burosol and why do I need it in my ears? We were told not to use
any medication, since their effect could vary with depth and cold water.
As example, we had medications against sniffing nose (flue).
What infections do you talk about >>from all the ducks who live there<<
and how can I avoid getting them?
Thanks a lot.  Stefan.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:56:52 BST
From:         Simon Hamner <sch@OASIS.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: uw-cameras
              24, 92 4:16 pm

Hi again,

> >> BTW, does anyone have experience with these throw-away-type-of-uw-cameras ?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for your reply,
> >>
> >> Han Weegink
> >
> >On holiday earlier this year, I used a throw away by Kodak. It was sort-a
> >reasonable quality, and cost about #10 sterling for 24 exp.
> [rest deleted]
>

  sorry 'bout the missing info here goes -


> At what depths did you use the camera ?

 I can't remember how deep ( I was only snorkelling at the time) but it was
about 6-7m, I seem to remember it was only rated to about 3 or 4 m, but the
results were reasonable.

> Did you use it with or without a waterproof housing ?

  I don't know if you've seen the Kodak 'weekender' (?) camera, but its
similar to that in a waterproof plastic housing (or to be more precise box).
The camera is probably about 4 x 4 x 7 cm box with a fixed focus lens, a manual
wind and a horrible little viewfinder ( the only bad thing about it IMO).

> How about a flashlight ?

There was no attached flash, it was basically a simple little box camera.

>
> I'd really appreciate it if you gave me some more information.
>

I hope that covers it, but if you need anymore info please mail me and I'll
try and help ( I'll keep a lookout at the weekend and see if I can see one
of the little leaflets with more info for you ).


      Bye.
       Simes

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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:57:57 PDT
From:         Tim Chase <A3TC@PSUORVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Force fins?

Has anyone out there ever used Force Fins? I was looking in some catalogs
and saw them. Also, I have seen them in some dive shops. How are they and
do they work? Thanx.

Tim Chase
Computer Operator Specialist
Too cheap to go buy 'em first :)
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:28:07 N
From:         Michael Walz <WALZ@ELDE.EPFL.CH>
Subject:      Large steel tanks available

Hi everyone,

If anybody is interested in light 20 liter steel tanks please contact me.
We are a group of swiss cave divers and one of us has ordered a special
fabrication of those 20 l steel tanks, but the companie who makes them won't
make less than 300. They don't usually make 20 l tanks. Up to now about 110
tanks have been ordered from several European countries, but we need at least
100 more orders.

Tank data:
  volume : 20 litres
  weight : 21 Kg
  height  : 785 mm
  diameter : 204 mm
  thread : M25 x 200  (poseidon valves fit on it)
  rating : 200 bars (~3000 PSI)
  (sorry for using metric units)

Please contact me if you are interested, or should I write another article
including the adress where you can order the tanks ? (I don't know if this
complies the network policy).

M. Walz (WALZ@ELDE.EPFL.CH)
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:51:00 ADT
From:         jaberback@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA
Subject:      back to Barbados

Fellow scuba-netters,
I'm heading back to Barbados this Xmas for three weeks of basic beach
bumming and some scuba. I was there last Xmas and dived with Willie's
Watersports (30+ dives) along the west coast. I wrote a report about
Willie's last year, and I'll do the same this year to see if their service
has improved (I certainly hope so).

What I'm looking for now is somebody who was recently in Barbados (ie.
since last Xmas) and has some scuba experience they'd like to share.  As
well, I'm looking for information from divers who dived around the northern
tip of the island. Hope somebody out there can help. Thanks.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:49:52 EDT
From:         Rich August 8*246-3221 <AUGUST@RSO.DNET.GE.COM>
Subject:      Diving and snorkeling in Aruba

Hello:

   My family and I will be vacationing in Aruba in about a week.  Can anyone
recommend some good diving and snorkeling sites in Aruba?  Also, I'd like to
find out any recomendations anyone might have in terms of which diving
operations I might want to contact in Aruba.  Who offers the best dive trips,
prices, etc.  Many Thanks.

				Rich August
				GE AeroSpace
				Valley Forge, PA
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From:         NEVILLE CARVALHO <A3NC@PSUORVM.BITNET>
Subject:      equipment evaluation

New on the scene. Know of any publication the evaluates and grades scuba
equipment in an independent manner i.e. not advertiser influenced. I am
given to understand that equipment in the U.S. does not have to meet any
minimun safety standards,i.e. UL for electrical goods, concequently no
standards mark.While on this subject what is the situation regarding
standards in europe and elsewhere.
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From:         BAKES <BAKES.ILS@MHS.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      signoff

Sign off SCUBA-L
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:52:21 +0200
From:         Han Weegink <weegink@ICT.NL>
Subject:      Diving site: Maltese Islands ?

Has anyone been diving in the region of the Maltese Islands
(Malta, Gozo, Comino; Mediterranean).

I've seen some nice brochures but I prefer to hear some
practical experience.

Thanks in advance for your reply,

Han

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From: sdodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stephen M Dodd)
Subject: Re: PADI AOW
Organization: Oregon Extension Service, Oregon State University, Corvallis, Or.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:43:45 GMT

In article <9207270818.AA22440@ictser> Han Weegink <weegink@ICT.NL> writes:
>Hi there !
>
>Last year, my girlfriend and I both got certified PADI Open Water,
>during a vacation in the Dominican Republic. We enjoyed the course very
>much, and the diving was *very* good with great visibility (always 100
>ft and more, except during certification; <6 ft), lots of fish and
>beautifull reefs.
>
    Congrats !!

>With respect to the PADI OW certificate, I have some questions:
>
>  -	True or not true, should I take an AOW course anyway, or go on
>	guided diving trips before going out there with my girlfriend ?
>	(I think I'll do the AOW, but yes, I'd like to hear some opions)
>
    I feel everyone needs more experience than a basic OW course before
    moving on.  Courses are a great way to get it.  This is even more
    true when you add responsibility for another.  Particularily a
    girlfriend.

    I find that every activity has potential for exercising aspects of a
    persons abilities.  Only in a class do you get broad spectrum
    exercise of your diving "head".  Also the atmosphere of a classroom
    lends itself to learing good diving practices with the adventure
    aspect turned down a bit so that good habits may develop.  I take
    courses and sit in and help out with courses I've taken to stay
    current and active.  I consider it cheap "guided" diving in our group.

    Guided trips can be great for experience ... if the guide focuses on
    valid diving practices.

    Steve
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From: DASJWM@UWOCC1.UWO.CA (Wayne McGregor)
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Subject: Re: UW Camreas
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:26:47 GMT
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When I was in Marathon Florida in March 92, a number of operators
were renting housings for the Kodak throw-away cameras. Hall's Diving
eas renting them for $10.00 (I think) plus the cost of the throw-away.
They have a built in flash and a rough sighting attachment. They were
being used at depths in excess of 40 ft.

I have as Haminex Amphiibian (sp) 35mm that is the twin of the Sea&Sea
35mm. The only problem I have is that you really need a strobe because
the built in flash is too close to the lens. This gives you reflection
from any particals in the water.

Good hunting.
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:54:01 BST
From:         Simon Hamner <sch@OASIS.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: uw-cameras
              24, 92 11:53 am

Hi,

>
> BTW, does anyone have experience with these throw-away-type-of-uw-cameras ?
>
> Thanks in advance for your reply,
>
> Han Weegink

On holiday earlier this year, I used a throw away by Kodak. It was sort-a
reasonable quality, and cost about #10 sterling for 24 exp.

It got me hooked anyway, so I'm looking to get a decent camera now, probably
a Sea & Sea.


    Bye
      Simes.


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From: "doug hook" <doug.hook@canrem.com>
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Subject: uw-cameras
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:27:03 EST
Reply-To: "doug hook" <doug.hook@canrem.com>
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PL@UN> Going to Cozumel in late August and a buddy of mine is going to let me u
     > AquaShot to document the trip, his camera does not have a flash-what kin
     > results can I expect w/o one?

I used my Aquashot in Bonaire last fall. The results were not bad, but a
couple of things should be checked into first. Make sure he has had his
Aquashot fitted with the internal flash deflector and the winder spacer,
both of which are a retrofit available from Ikelite at no charge. The
deflector will prvent the flash from reflecting off of the lens window
inside the housing. The winder spacer solves a problem of the winder
becoming impossible to turn at deeper than about 35 feet. The camera is
very possitively bouyant- by about a pound, so use the wrist strap.
Yellowtail snappers seem to think it is one of them- they schooled
behind it when it was hanging by the wrist strap. DO get the disposable
cameras with the flash. It makes a huge difference. have your first roll
of film processed right after you shoot it, so you can adjust your
technique for following dives. Its not a Nikonos, but doesn't cost like
one either. I believe it is rated to 150 feet, which is deeper than a
Nikonos. Don't expect Skin Diver type photos from the first few hundred
rolls... luck play a part in the results !

Have fun !

Doug

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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:16:27 +0200
From:         Han Weegink <weegink@ICT.NL>
Subject:      Re: uw-cameras

>From: Simon Hamner <sch@OASIS.ICL.CO.UK>
>Subject:      Re: uw-cameras
>To: Multiple recipients of list SCUBA-L <SCUBA-L@BROWNVM.brown.edu>
>In-Reply-To:  <9207241142.13842.0@dsbc.icl.co.uk>; from "Han Weegink" at Jul
>              24, 92 11:53 am
>Status: R
>
>Hi,
>
>>
>> BTW, does anyone have experience with these throw-away-type-of-uw-cameras ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your reply,
>>
>> Han Weegink
>
>On holiday earlier this year, I used a throw away by Kodak. It was sort-a
>reasonable quality, and cost about #10 sterling for 24 exp.
[rest deleted]

At what depths did you use the camera ?
Did you use it with or without a waterproof housing ?
How about a flashlight ?

I'd really appreciate it if you gave me some more information.


Thanks in advance,

Han Weegink
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 10:18:26 +0200
From:         Han Weegink <weegink@ICT.NL>
Subject:      PADI AOW

Hi there !

Last year, my girlfriend and I both got certified PADI Open Water,
during a vacation in the Dominican Republic. We enjoyed the course very
much, and the diving was *very* good with great visibility (always 100
ft and more, except during certification; <6 ft), lots of fish and
beautifull reefs.

With respect to the PADI OW certificate, I have some questions:

  -	Our instructor told us PADI OW was sufficient for the two of us
	to go diving, however, I've heard rumours that at least one of
	the divers should have PADI *Advanced* Open Water, is this true ?

  -	True or not true, should I take an AOW course anyway, or go on
	guided diving trips before going out there with my girlfriend ?
	(I think I'll do the AOW, but yes, I'd like to hear some opions)

 -	what exactly does one learn in the PADI AOW course ?


Thanks in advance for your reply,

Han Weegink
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 11:28:59 BST
From:         Rob Simpson <robs@CHARLES-CROSS.POLY-SOUTH-WEST.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Diving site: Maltese Islands ?

Yup, I've dived off Malta and Gozo (3 years ago). I loved it, but that was
 primarily due to the fact that these were my first *ever* sea dives, having
 done all my training in a pool. The water is what many of you in the US would
 call cool, warm to us in the UK, and viz. often > 100ft. Spectacular rock
 formations, which is just as well since there isn't much fish life, seeing a
 dozen small fish would be lucky for a dive. There just ain't many left in the
 Med perhaps. A few octopii.

The diving outfit we were with come highly recommended (Maltaqua, St. Pauls Bay
 I think), our University have been using them for years. The people training
 out there were having a great time of it.

Food cheap and cheerful.

Bottom line, good viz but no fish.

Rob Simpson (Plymouth England)
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:03:32 -0400
From:         "Peter Larimer @ U.N.H." <P_LARIMER@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: uw-cameras

Going to Cozumel in late August and a buddy of mine is going to let me use his
AquaShot to document the trip, his camera does not have a flash-what kind of
results can I expect w/o one?

Pete
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:13:00 CDT
From:         LAPORTEM@OSHKOSHW.BITNET
Subject:      Re: I am on vacation

Date sent:  22-JUL-1992 09:12:31
>
>I will be out of the office on vacation Wednesday July 22, through Friday
>July 24, returning to the office on Monday July 27.
>
>A copy of your electronic mail message has been saved in my mailbox. I
>will review your message and respond as soon as possible after my return
>on the 27th.
>
>If you have an urgent matter that must be attended to before the 27th,
>please contact Bill Zaslove at (408) 746-5165, or send him email at
>billz@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com.
>
>Dave

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