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From: mlr21@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: pinto vs. paint
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:20:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.161940.29252@piston.detroit.ingr.com>, plferric@piston.detroit.ingr.com (Pat Ferrick) writes:
|> In article <prescott.727480227@prussian14>, prescott@rtsg.mot.com (Audrey Prescott) writes:
|> > Simple question, but I don't know the answer!  My sister-in-law asked the
|> > difference between a pinto and a paint.  What is the difference?  I must not have
|> > the right horse books at home or they are all loaned out because I couldn't
|> > find the answer.   Hey, I only own a buckskin and a gray - what would I know about
|> > pintos and paints!?!?  I just want a simple explanation!
|> 
|> Audrey,
|> 
|> I believe the difference is that a paint must also be a registered QH. Paints
|> can be cross-registered as pintos, but pintos cannot be cross-registered as
|> paints. I think this is right, I hope someone will correct me if I am in error.
|> 
|> Pat Ferrick & Golden Ghost

Actually, a Paint cannot be registered as a Quarter Horse, even though
the Paint is essentially a Quarter Horse.  The AQHA only registers
solid-colored horses.  White cannot extend up beyond a certain point on
the legs, etc.  An offspring of two Quarter Horse parents that exhibits
enough white can be registered as a Paint, but it cannot be registered
as a Quarter Horse.

Mary Lee Raines
Ravenswood Appaloosas
From: gale@chrysos.Eng.Sun.COM (Gale Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: bio
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:01:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: chrysos

another bio ...

i am gale snow.  i've been following this newsgroup for at least 6 years now,
mostly lurking (i do scan all the articles), and occasionally posting if i
have something to contribute.  i own 2 horses.  my first horse, c'est jolie,
i've had for 12 years now.  she's a registered thoroughbred and i bought her
when she was 4.  my interest is dressage.  i showed her training, first, and
second level at recognized shows here in california (i live in the san
francisco bay area).  we did quite well actually - even tho we learned
everything together (not the recommended thing to do).  we qualified for
the annual cds championship show at both first and second level.  this
required 4 scores above 64% at first level and 62% at second level from
4 different judges in recognized competition.  i then bred her to laylock,
a swedish warmblood stallion.  she had a beautiful colt on easter day in
1988.  i was present for his birth so he is very special to me.  jaseroque
is 5 years old this year.  the sad part of my story is that just after jas'
birth i was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis (i was 32 years old).  i still
have both horses and even "ride" at times when i'm feeling strong.  but
mostly i require lots of help with jolie and jas.  a friend is riding jolie
and learning lots from her.  i have a trainer working jas regularly.  i still
get alot of enjoyment from my horses, jolie and jas.  maybe someday soon
there will be a cure for ms!
From: jig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jody Gregersen)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Need Overnight Stabling in SC or GA
Summary: 3 horses going to FL
Keywords: Cheap, one night, vetted, near I-95
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:10:11 GMT
Expires: Sat, 20 Feb 1993 05:00:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

Hi everybody!

I'm new on the net.  I had read this group about three years ago and now
I am back eavesdropping.  My name is Jody Gregersen.  I will introduce
myself sometime in the future but right now, I need some info.

Here goes.  In the middle of February, my friends are shipping horses to
Wellington, FL form Rochester, NY.  They would like to stop overnight in
either South Carolina or northern Georgia.  Does anyone know of a place
that is willing to put them up for the night?  They will have three
horses in a van.  They are willing to supply their own everything if
necessary.  All horses will be fully up to date on shots and worming and
have vet certificates and coggins.  These people would prefer it to be
as inexpensive as possible.  Even if it may be expensive, please let me
know if you have info.  This place would hopefully be near I-95.

If this was already discussed earlier in the FL season, I'm sorry.  You
may e-mail me the info and I will post the final results (if anyone is
interested).

Thanks in advance.

Currently horseless,

Jody
jlg@clarity.princeton.edu
From: irod@ourbeach.Eng.Sun.COM (Irma Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Need Info on Spanish Riding School
Followup-To: rec.equestrian
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:17:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: irod@ourbeach.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ourbeach
Keywords: how to visit

Does anyone know who I can call or where I can information on 
visiting the Spanish Riding School in Vienna? My fiance has
suprised me with a trip to Europe for my birthday next month,
and the only place I *really* care about seeing is the school.

Do I need to buy tickets in advance?
How do I find out what the performance schedule is (assuming they are
doing public performances)?
If we can't visit the school, where else should I visit?

ANY information will be greatly appreciated! Please reply to
irma.rodriguez@Sun.COM and I will summarize for the alias!


THANKS!

 - Irma Rodriguez 
	(saving my pennies for a flea-bitten gray)

*my apologies for posting this twice. I forgot to change the
subject line on the previous one.*
From: steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King) 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Akhal-Teke breed?
Date: 21 Jan 93 06:39:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King) 

To: ruslan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu

RC | My only sources now are a short encyclopedic set
RC | of dry summaries.  But I remember an old book with pictures,
RC | etc... in English.  (I can read other languages, including Russian,
RC | if you know of works in various languages.)
RC | 
RC | Does anybody know ANYTHING about this breed?  A society (or
RC | just a breeder) in this country?  A book with a chapter on them,
RC | mebbe pictures?  Any info is appreciated.

An older, probably out-of-print coffee table type book, _Horses of the 
World_ by Maurizo Bongianni and Concetta Mori, describes the Akhal-Teke 
on pages 144-145:

". . . This is an impressive and elegant horse, with good confirmation 
and proud bearing.  It has a lively and courageous temperament, although 
at times it may be rebellious and stubborn.  The skeletal structure and 
the development of the main musculature clearly indicate its marked 
apptitude for speed, combined with good stamina.  It is used with great 
success in international sporting events, thanks not the least to its 
skill as a jumper and the ease of it movements.  One member of this 
breed (Absent) won the Gold Medal at the 1960 Olympic Games in Rome."  
Place of Origin:  USSR (Turkmenistan).  Height at withers:  14:2 to 
15:2.

_The Ultimate Horse Book_ by Elwyn Hartley Edwards, published by Dorling 
Kindersley, NY, 1991, has a pretty complete illustration of the  Akhal- 
Teke on pages 42-43.  In fact, I recommend this book to anybody 
interested in horse breeds of the world.

steve.king@idcbbs.com (Steve King)
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: pattee@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Donna Pattee)
Subject: Re:  pinto vs. paints
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:20:20 GMT

My daughter did her 4-H demo several years ago on Paints.  Let's see what I
can remember:

Requirements for APHA are

1.  The horse must be stock type, i.e. must be Quarterhorse, Thoroughbred,
    or a combination of both.

2.  Must have at least one of the following:

    a.  White stocking extending above the hock on at least one leg;

    b.  White on the face outside of a line extending from the corner of
        the mouth to the outside edge of the same-side ear;

    c.  A white spot of a specified (by the APHA) size somewhere on the 
        the body.

There are two "unofficial" color designations for Paints, piebald and 
skewbald.  One is black and white and the other is any color other than
black with white.  I can never remember which is which.

There are also two official major pattern distinctions, overo and tobiano.
There are some sub-distinctions and other less-common patterns like 
sabiano, tovero, and medicine hat, but someone else will have to address
these (Megan?).

1. Overo

   a.  The horse has no white crossing the back between the withers and
       the tail.  This is the main distinguising characteristic.

   b.  Usually the mane and tail are the same color as the horse (i.e.
       not white).

   c.  Usually an overo will have socks or stockings.  Will generally 
       look like the color was poured along the back of the horse. Some
       people say they look like a colored horse with white spots.

   d.  The spots usually have very uneven edges.

   e.  The head is usally bald or apron-faced(?).

2. Tobiano

   a.  The horse has white crossing the back between the withers and the
       tail.

   b.  The mane and tail are usually white or white with black.

   c.  The legs of a tobiano are likely to be white.  Looks like a white 
       horse with colored spots.

   d.  The spots have even edges and are generally shield-shaped.

   e.  The head is either mostly white or the color of the horse with "normal"
       markings.  That is, if you look at just the head of a bay tobiano, it
       will probably be the bay color with an AQHA-legal blaze or star, etc.

Now if I can find my APHA rule book, I can check my memory for accuracy -
I think I have forgotten one requirement for APHA registry.  My husband
has a registered sorrel tobiano Paint with beautiful markings, not-so-hot
conformation, navicular, and a pouty outlook towards life.  I don't know
anything about pintos - maybe that could be my daughter's next 4-H demo :-}
From: jimmy@stoner.EBay.Sun.COM (Jimmy Stoner)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Need Sample Lease Agreement
Date: 26 Jan 1993 20:58:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: jimmy@stoner.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: stoner.ebay.sun.com
Keywords: Sponsor/Lease Agreement

My daughter has just found someone very interested in Sponsoring her mare. 
I want to make sure we get an agreement in place prior to moving the mare
so we won't run into major issues down the road. They discussed the
possibility of moving the mare this weekend.

Soo, If some of you kind netters have a copy of a sample sponsor/lease 
agreement(s) and would be willing to forward to me, we would be very
appreciative.

Thank you in advance,
Jim Stoner (jimmy.stoner@ebay.Sun.COM)
	Work: 408-276-5298
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Jimmy Stoner                       | ARPA/Internet:  stoner@EBay.Sun.COM
Sun Federal Program Manager        | UUCP:           ...!sun!stoner
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From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Riding breeches - need advice.
Date: 28 Jan 1993 13:04:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I wear TAILORED SPORTSMAN breeches and love them.  The best
part about the is that they have pockets! They are somewhat
thick and can get alittle warm in the summertime. I also 
have a pair of PIKEUR (style JESSICA) breeches which i think
are mostly cotton. They are very comfortable. THey are
also a flattering style with tucks in the front.
From: deniseo@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Denise O'Connor)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:18:29 GMT
Subject: Bio - Long of course
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullys Maze)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: vaccinating for rabies
Date: 25 Jan 1993 09:07:58 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

We are routinely vaccinating all our animals up here in Lake Co.
California.  The year before last a horse was found that had rabies
about 5 miles from where I live.  The whole family had to take the
shot series and all their animals quarantined.  Best thing to do is
ask your vet what is reccomended for your area.

Karen
From: teresa@astro.as.arizona.edu (Teresa Bippert-Plymate)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Still on quest for Hage number
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:35:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1993Jan21.145736.1@stsci.edu> rewald@stsci.edu writes:
>In article <1jmp0oINN71l@morrow.stanford.edu>, GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullys Maze) writes:
>> To those of you who posted me the number of Hage from the original
>> posting, thanks so much.  However, that number, 512-895-2232 is out
>> of service.  I am about to give up on this Hage stuff-there is no
>> listing in Information and the number of not correct.  Does anyone
>> out there have a way to get in touch with them?
>> 
>> Thanks
>
>By the way, I wrote to them, and my card was "return to sender, address 
>unknown".  I would like to get more info about them, too.  I thought
>some one on the net is actually getting feed from them - did I misread?
>
>Thanks, too      Rosalie

Yes, Rosalie, I am getting Hage here in Arizona, but from a distributor.
I emailed to Karen that I have put in a call to my distributor to try to
get those numbers for you all.  And the newest bags I have have them now
in Dell City, Texas, and the name on the bags now is Texas Hage, Inc.
There is a PO Box #, and I will REMEMBER (I keep forgetting in the mornings
when it's dark and cold before work) to peel that off and bring it in so
I can post it.  They still must be SOMEWHERE, I am getting the feed and it's
as good as ever!  (By the way, don't bother trying to get a phone# from
Dell City through directory assistance.  I tried last night for Texas Hage
Inc and The Great Hage Texas and there was no listing :-( ).  My distributor
is so busy with business now he is incredibly hard to get hold of, but he
is very mindful of when everyone should be running out and always gets to me
before then.  But sometimes question phone calls take a few days!

					Teresa
					Leo
					Ari
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lizt@python.lmc.com (B. Elizabeth Trojan)
Subject: Horses for sale
Organization: Logic Modeling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon
Distribution: or
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:35:35 GMT


		Morgans For Sale

D/L Twilite Symphony   Six and a half year old mare.
She has been shown Morgan English Pleasure and trail 
ridden on the beach. "Sugar" is 15.1 hands, dark brown
and loves attention. Would make a great equitation, English, 
Western, of Hunt horse. Just depends on what gear and shoe 
weight you use. She can jump 2'6"+ and prefers women. Her
sire is "Valiant Flirtation", dam "Aprilark Ramona". Her
price is $3500. 

D/L Impressive Playgirl  3 year old Bay filly. Started 
under saddle, ground driven. Will mature to 15 hands. 
"Angel" is willing to do anything. She doesn't spook
easily and would make a great combined driving horse 
along with saddle performance and trail. She is a "UVM 
Promise" grand-daughter out of "D/L Sarah May". Given 
the time and the right owner "Angel" could be a great
stock or reining horse or a dressage mount. Her price 
is $2000.


Contact Dorsey/Lee Morgan Horse Farm
        Dr. Edward D. and Linda Barnes
From: kcarroll@koko.pathology.washington.edu (Kris Carroll)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Need Info on Spanish Riding School
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:25:35 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: koko.pathology.washington.edu

1/24 Sunday NY times just had a blurb about the school staying closed for  
repair due to the water and fire damage. Sorry, I don't remember reopening  
date, but it is definitely closed now.
From: jsnyder@cadev5.intel.com (Jan Snyder )
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Feeding supplements for Horses.
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:31:48 GMT
Organization: Intel Santa Clara Design Technology

In article <1jf5lsINN7tk@gap.caltech.edu> deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu 
(Debbie Levine) writes:
>I have a supplement question as well.  The latest Practical
>Horseman contains an article recommending psyllium.  One of
>my friends at the barn asked her vet about feeding psyllium
>and he strongly recommended it for horses in Southern California.
>The argument is that, even for those horses not turned out on
>sand, California hay often contains substantial sand.
>
>I'm considering adding psyllium to Morris and Split's diet.
>I'm interested in who has experience feeding psyllium,
>what dosage they have used, signifigant differences between
>brands if any, and if they have felt it is worth feeding.
>
>I also understand it is important to rest the horse's system
>from feeding the psyllium for as long as a couple of months out
>of the year.
>
>Debbie & Split & Mo


The vet who pre-purchase-examined my new Paso found a bit of sand in her
manure and recommended psyllium.  He suggested something like the Equi-Aid
which I've subsequently used on all three of our horses for 2 months now.
Vet recommended the following regimen:  1 cup/day for 1 week per month,
rest the other 3 weeks.  I mix it with a scoop of All-In-One or sweet COB 
and they lap it up.  I'm going to do it for another cycle then do that
"sand wash" test he charged me $10 for and see if this works!

I am also interested in others' experience with this stuff.  Is it better
than a bran mash (which is cheaper, I think)?

-Sallijan
 Quiche (19yo chestnut Arab mare)
 Shadow Dancer (11yo black Peruvian Paso mare)
 Picardia (7yo chestnut Peruvian Paso mare)
 felines Imp, Gringo and Rags (geldings all)

-
Sallijan Snyder, Wordware Engineer | "I don't let my employer take credit for my opinions."
Santa Clara, California            | (408) 765-5444 voicemail    (408) 629-5909 home robot
Internet: jsnyder@scdt.intel.com   |          =>Internet Z-Car Club Member #42<=
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: rewald@stsci.edu
Subject: yet another bio...
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:01:29 GMT

Hello All -
  The bios I've been reading have been alot of fun, so I decided to make one
too!  (the first one was way too long, so I hope this attempt is shorter.)

  My name is Rosalie Ewald, and I have one horse, named Shogun.  He's a
grey arab gelding, with dark mane and tail.  We do competitive trail riding,
and I want to try some endurance races this year.  I am also learning to
drive a cart, and have a pony lined up to do a competitive trail drive 
with.  (we just need to practice and condition!)  I'm also learning to navigate
obstacles in the cart.

  I first rode the neighbor's horse while I was in high school.  She was a
grouchy mare, and I only got to ride her a couple of times.  In college, 
a friend of mine had a shetland mare and stallion, and their baby.  He gave
me the stallion to try to break (boy, what I didn't know!).  Well, nobody got
hurt, but he didn't get broke, either.  I gave him back.

  I started taking lessons when I was 23 or 24, and living in New Mexico.
My husband was in graduate school, and I had my first real job.  I wanted to
learn western riding, but the only school was english, so there I was in a 
smooth saddle, learning to jump, "forward seat."  I rode there about a year.

  Fast-forward: We moved back to the midwest, I took another month or two of
lessons, and then we moved to Baltimore, MD, where we've lived for 9 years.
It took awhile, I got abuse about my "forward seat" position, but finally I
found the farm where I now take lessons and board Shogun.  There are a lot of
opportunities to learn at this farm - the owner breeds arabs, anglo-arabs and 
ponies, and trains all kinds of horses and ponies to ride and drive.  She
also teaches combined training skills (dressage, stadium jumping and cross-
country), trail riding, and basic safe riding.  I've learned about managing 
horses in a herd setting, feeding, worming, medications (routine, emergency).
I also get to help out with the training and breeding.

  What pays for all of this equine activity?  I have been working as a data
tech and programmer in astronomy most of the time.  Currently, I'm at
Space Telescope Science Institute, supporting the Hubble Space Telescope.

Rosalie & Shogun
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Subject: Re: Leasing a Horse & Insurance
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:22:01 GMT
Reply-To: mary@cairo.watson.ibm.com (Mary McHugh)
Organization: IBM TJ Watson Home for Tired Hackers

Sherron, 
I agree with you pretty close to 100%.  I too have been giving the
insurance question a lot of thought, and have come to some of the same
conclusions.  

When I lost my mare Jasmine (TB) to colic, I was in the process of
obtaining insurance for her.  After the "unsuccessful" surgery (well,
the surgery was a success but the patient died), many people mentioned
that it was a shame I didn't get the insurance policy in time.  Well, my
feelings at that time and now are that I would rather have had the horse
than the money.  But I will admit that if I carried surgical insurance
it would have helped.  The total cost was about $3000 for the
surgery/hospital/care and the emergency hauling ( I didn't have a truck/
trailer back then).  

Over the years I have owned a total of 5 different horses, only one of
which I lost prematurely.  Of those 5, I have carried insurance only on
1 and then I only carried it while I owed money on him (I actually got a
bank to lend me money to buy a horse! :^).  I can quickly add up in my
head the amount of money I saved on premiums and it is much, much
greater than the purchase cost of Jasmine plus the hospital costs, so I
feel justified in my reasoning.

However, the one case I can argue for insurance is the case for surgical
insurance.  You must carry mortality in order to get surgical, but maybe
some people will want to insure their horse for the minimum mortality
just to carry surgical.  If the horse gets sick and requires emergency
surgery, it is a relief to be able to tell the vet to go ahead and try &
save your friend without worrying about how to pay for it.  I was lucky
back then in 1985 to be able to afford to try and save my mare. 

Of course, instead of paying premiums to insurance companies, maybe we
should all be opening savings accounts and paying the premiums into that
account to be used exclusively for emergency care.  Hmmmm, my employer
offers tax free health care accounts for me & my family... my horses are
part of my family, aren't they?

Well, just my .02Cents worth.

Mary McHugh