From: karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: YYYEEEEESSSSSSS!!!
Summary: C'mon now, are you REALLY this obnoxious?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:10:30 GMT
Organization: Macro Computer Solutions, Inc., Chicago, IL
Keywords: lame birds, Election, deliverance.

In article <2afb60a0-3b7.19chi.general-1@vpnet.chi.il.us> akcs.phase@vpnet.chi.il.us (phase) writes:
>>Response 17 of 18 (951) by russ at gagme.chi.il.us on Fri 06 Nov 92 09:21
>>
>>>I hope you're a big fan of deficit spending, censorship and all the
>>>other things that made this country so great.
>>
>>Censorship?  It seems like the Republicans have been awfully fond of
>>censorship
>>and persecution of non-politically-correct-according-to-their-world-view
>>groups
>>too... such as the abortion gag rule, FBI surveillance of dissident politica
>l
>>groups (such as CISPES), etc.  Can you say COINTELPRO?  I knew you could.
>>-- 
>
>Abortion gag rule??!  I would like to say that the rule should be changed
>only for those seeking advice by professionals, who know the ropes in
>killing children.  
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That is a FETUS by legal and medical definition, or an embryo, depending on
its state of development.  It is not a "child" until it is born.  

Trying to "spice up the issue" with rhetoric doesn't wash with me.

>You think Democrats are the party of the future; on the
>contrary, were on the verge of catastrophe!  You think that Religious groups
>are muscling into everything when it is a reversed situation.
>
>There really is alot of groups trying to change history and the American way
>of freedom in this country.  

That's right.  We have the far right, the "religious" right, the likes of
Pat Robertson and Pat Buchanan who are the "make a buck off God" folks.
They're little more than a much more offensive Oral Roberts.  And why?
Because they have a bully pulpit, the Republican party.

I voted for George Bush 4 years ago.  I did NOT vote for him this time
around.  Why?  For the same reason many others did not.  Not JUST because of
the economy (although this was an issue) but because he ceded his control
over the Republican party to a bunch of frothing-at-the-mouth raving
lunatics with "God in their hearts" when the Republican convention was
underway.  Those same people got their agenda into the platform.  I will NOT
vote for that platform, and neither will most of the moderate American
people.

The fact is, GEORGE LOST THE ELECTION based on the fact that the majority of
Americans DO NOT agree with the Buchanan's and Robertsons of this country.
Nor are the majority of Americans anti-choice.

>Abortion is an issue that will not be resolved
>soon.. However, freedom of speech is going down the tubes.  Little by little
>people are losing their hard fought freedoms to extreemists (not from the
>religious) but from the Athiests who tamper with long historical realities
>of America!! 

Incorrect.  See Colorado for an example.  The Religious Right has managed to
pass a law, the first of its kind, which LEGALIZES AND APPROVES OF
discrimination against homosexuals.  This is the most disgusting thing I
have heard of, and it is the reason I will not purchase another product or
service until said Constitutional Ammendment (to the Colorado Constitution)
is repealed.

>I have a belief in Jesus Christ as a personal savior and friend.  And
>without the teachings that have been taught and exposed to me in my life I
>would be like the large degenerate populas stiffing Christianity because it
>pricks their heart.  

That's fine.  Go ahead and practice your religion.  But keep it the hell out
of MY bedroom and MY boardroom.  As you wish me to respect your choice, I
demand you respect mine.  That includes not passing religiously-motivated
laws.  If you cannot take this request seriosuly, you can expect that I and
others will press HARD to get our religious and philosophical views
represented as well as yours.

>Especially the Abortion issue; where doctors kill un-
>born children for profit!  Even serverly damaging women in the process of
>mutilation.  

Oh, so you cannot read either?  If you could, and bothered to look these
things up, you would find that it is far less risky for a women to have an
abortion before 12 weeks of pregnancy than to continue through to birth.
Yes, this ignores the "fetus", but you are simply incorrect in your
statement about "mutilation" above.

>Maybe these political groups have perfect rights and reasons
>behind your retoric Russ Price.  Maybe you should investigate "whys" instead
>of pointing fingers like shooting guns in all directions.
>
>Greg

If you want to protect the unborn, then pass a Constitutional Ammendment
which changes that document to read "all persons CONCEIVED".  Currently it
reads "all persons BORN".  

I think you can understand the difference.  Good luck with your
Constitutional challenge.

I agree that there are too many abortions in this country.  The answer is
not to force people into the back alleys where they will use coat hangers
and other devices never intended for intimate contact with the human body.
The answer is consistant practice of birth control (which the Religious Right
is ALSO dead-set against).

Every one of those zealots who would remove a woman's right to choose ought
to be forced to take an unwanted child and raise him or her out of his or
her own pocket -- without a single penny of Government assistance.

--
Karl Denninger (karl@ddsw1.MCS.COM, <well-connected>!ddsw1!karl)
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