From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Never again. How soon we forget.
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:38:19 GMT
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <BsxH1u.II9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:
> kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
...
>>>It's not a case of saying "sorry, you're just not worth it".  It *is* a case of
>>>saying, to Uncle Sam and his bootlicks (ABC-CBS-NBC-PBS-CNN) :"You are liars.
>>>You have been caught lying to us time and time and time again. Why should we
>>>trust you?" 
> 
>>...and, while saying it, know with a certainty that women and children, and
>>other non-combatants, are being killed wantonly. I can see how that would
>>appeal to some.
> 
> Sure, war is horrible. It *is* horrible the killing that is going on
> over there. But did you know that there are thousands of people starving
> to death in Somalia also? Did you know that because of armed conflict
> in the region, relief supplies are not getting through? And where is
> Bush and the U.S. on that one? Why aren't they raising a fuss about
> going to Somalia with U.S. / U.N. troops so as to save Somalian lives?

	So unless we are going to attempt to solve every problem simultaneously
we shouldn't even try?

	As we speak, the UN is moving to safeguard food supplies.

	But why do you insist that it be the US who has to help in Somalia?

> Why haven't we been hearing the U.S. governments standard and inevitable
> refrain "we have no money" on this one. Here in the United States we
> have had a problem with children going to bed hungry for years. Here
> in the United States we have had problems of homelessness, inadequate
> health care and economic despair for years. And what do they consistently
> tell us when the people in their outrage beg for a few crumbs of
> assistance from the U.S. government? They consistently tell us, "Sorry.
> We'd like to help but there is no money." Why aren't they saying that
> *now*? Why aren't we hearing "Sorry Yugoslavia, but we have no money."
> Why aren't they saying that?

	Because they are unwilling to sit by and watch Holocaust II?

	Why are you willing to sit by and watch it?

> After the Gulf War, president Bush triumphantly proclaimed that we
> had put the ghost of Viet Nam behind us. It is as if by our
> involvement in the Gulf War we had atoned for Viet Nam. I note that
> you self-righteously allude to the World War II holocaust at the
> end of your post. Is that what this is all about? Is it that we
> have to go to war in Yugoslavia *now* so that we can atone for our
> lack of involvement in assisting the victims of atrocities which
> occurred over 50 years ago? Will going to Yugoslavia *now* atone
> for what happened *then*?

	Which victims did we not help?  How is four years of fighting not
helping?  How is liberating concentration camps not helping?

> Will *you* be going over there to fight what David H. Hackworth 
> (a veteran of combat in the region and career military man) has
> called "the meanest mothers in the valley of death and the last
> tigers the United States ever wants to try to tame."? Will we

	The meanest mothers fo all fighters?

	No I won't be going.  The military said no thanks when I signed up for
ROTC back in 1980.

> be seeing you over there, slogging through the mud and the rain
> and the cold, atoning for atrocities that happened 50 years ago
> and wearing a martyred look of self-righteousness? If you want

	Who would be atoning for atrocities?  I doubt whether any former SS
members are currently in the US military.

> to go over there, go ahead. But stop demanding that others go
> and risk their lives and limbs for your personal delusions.

	Just as soon as you stop demanding that no one be allowed to go over
there and stop Holocaust II.

Brett                                                      
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