HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China (Bill's wondering still...no one seems to care!) 
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI 
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:55:37 GMT

In article <9224512.27022@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>Hey, guys and girls,
	^^^^^^^^^^^	
	** Simply say guys will do. Because I always doubt if the female
	   actually exist at all(in this newsgroup anyway)!

>
>Then, people started flaming... and the discussion ended up another Tibet
>debate.
>Can people please post suggestions to the question "Ways to help China
>grow into a stronger superpower".. please???
>
>Chinese people have been a grain of sand for the past x000 years... today
>(and yesterday), I start to see what it means.....

	** The statement adduced here is by itself true, I must agree.
	   So, why wait about, foolishly fighting each other? Can we be just 
	   a little more productive? Don't just act like those old boxheads
	   without a grain of sense, can you? Our tomorrow depends on us.
	   
	   On the other hand, the statement doesn't mean that. 
	   People simply can take different views of the issue - in or out.
 
>
>stop flaming each other.... think practically please, for Chinese's sake!
							 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^	
	** "For our brighter tomorrow's sake" is better and more encouraging.


---Baby don't cry,
	Bill

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zyoung@engr
Subject: Look for Shu4 Yong3 Hui4 from Nanjing
Summary: Look for Shu4 Yong3 Hui4 from Nanjing
Keywords: Looking for friend
Reply-To: zyoung@engr.mun.ca
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: looking for friend
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:18:59 GMT

Hi, netters:

    I am looking my friend, Shu4 Yong3 Hui4. He is from the Southeast
University (Nanjing Institute of Technology), Nanjing, Jiangsu, China.
Information about him is welcome.

    Thank you in advance.

    My e-mail :   zyoung@engr.mun.ca



                                                Yang2 Zhen4 Peng2
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: [FWD] IFCSS on Shen Tong
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:09:01 GMT
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University

In article 040992011442@cinder.ncl.ac.uk, unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Wu Dengxing) writes:

> Who the fuck cares about Shen Tong? The shithead asked for it. 
> Chinese Government clearly stipulated that student exiles are welcomed
> to return to China as long as they do not participate in any activities 
> prejudicial to the national interests.


You mean like thinking for themselves and yearning for freedom.


>                                  That implies that all the assholes
> fucking around brandishing their notions of what is good for China 
> should not return to China to organise stupid anti-Government activities
> funded by foreign governments or agencies. It does not matter what
> kind of banner you wish to uphold...democracy, bullshit, religious shit
> etc.

Interesting equivalence here.


>         Shen Tong wished to fuck the system in the eyes of the world. The 
> system fucks back! Few countries around the world would welcome agitators
> to return to their home country to establish rebellion and overthrow of the
> ruling government. S. T. knowingly fucked with the law. Let the law fuck
> him.


But the law didn't. The government grabbed him. They didn't arrest him.
The government is not the law. A governments job is to uphold the law.


> May not be the best law in the world but once the regulations have
> been clearly established....it's not up to Shen Tong and his bunch of 
> advisers to toy with the law and then cry foul afterwards when they are
> implemented.


But it hasn't been clearly established or clearly implememnted. Since the
governments only goal is to maintain power, they constantly rewrite what
is illegal to fit whatever threatens their power. An example is the t-shirts
of a couple of months ago stating things such as "I'm tired" and "Leave me alone".
These were banned because they expressed apathy, frustration and anger,
all "counter-revolutionary".



>                No need for us all to sell our backsides as well signing all
> these fucking pompous bullshit.


Huh? "Sell our backsides"? I don't get that one at all.


>                                  Shen Tong will be news as long as 
> western newspapers think he is newsworthy. No more call for Chinese
> cunts for sale please.


Is that part of the train of thought or separate? If it is part of the
train of thought, Huh? If not, what? 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:33:56 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject:    Re:

In article from shiping@max.u.washington.edu
>CCP is doing its best to show a smiling face to students studyingabroad.
>They really need theses students to go back?  Maybe.  However, I think
>their real purpose is quite political,that is they want to calm down the
>harsh critics from foreign countries, so that they can borrow more money
>and do more business with these countries, especially the United States.

       Any ideas of non-political purposes? To get more money and more
       bussiness, what's wrong with that? Seems you are unwilling to
       say that CG needs the students abroad. Do you think CP  more
       like to see that the students abroad keep staying abroad no longer
       back home? If so, why do they let them out?I do think that CG
       hopes the students back.However choices are upto you,although
       CG has tried to take over the choices, making people no choice
       but the  CG order (of course US government regulations as well).
CG has been used to treat itself as master and people as slaves.
To take or give is just a light in its mind.That's the way it
works.

>No matter what purposes are for CCP to show new leniency, my question
>is: shall we trust CCP, or, in other word, is CCP trustable? In order to
 .....

>From this piece of CCP's record, I do not think that I still trust CCP.
>What is your opinion about CCP?

         It's good to see the new policy. Stay tune to see the next
         probablely. CCP seldom says something unchange for 100 years.

         You can list thousands of both good and bad records to support
         any opinions. Believe or not is your judgement.

         If you believe change (positive or negative),do you need to
         raise this sort of questions? Seems holding GC makes you
         more trust CCP and the untrust makes you grab GC.

         X Xu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What Would Lu Xun Say?
Keywords: lu xun
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:02:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.194025.491@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) writes:
> 
> I have a hypothetical question to end the summer vacation on.  Suppose Lu  
Xun, 
> one of the few truly Zhong1guo2-tong1 people of this century, and one of even 
> fewer people to articulate it so well in print, were alive today, how do you 
> think he would react to the greencard and Han/Tibet threads?
> 
> Robert Sanders

I am pretty sure he would never do anything that hurts his motherland, not like  
any of you guys sticking on USA to be cheaply treated by other nations.
Don
From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Golden age of China?
Date: 31 Aug 1992 17:15:53 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Aug31.161907.2773@wuecl.wustl.edu> anw1@cec2.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong) writes:
>In article <92Aug19.100156edt.108@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>
>>it is not groundless speculation.  There is no Yuan Dynasty records
>>of such a person.  Historians are arguing about whether Marco Polo
>>really visited China or not.  
>>
>
>Hey, maybe the records are written in Mongolian. It's quite imaginable that
>most Chinese historians didn't bother to learn that language, given the 
>attitudes towards foreigners back then. :>
>
>NGOK

I have read recent speculations that Marco Polo never made it all 
the way to China, and that at least parts of his account could have
been copied from stories by Persian and Arab traders.  It does seem
rather miraculous that Marco was always there when news breaks 
anywhere in the empire (like a 13th century CNN :-)).  

Outside of his own account, there is no mention of Marco Polo in 
other historical documents, Chinese, Mongolian, or Persian.  
Contrary to the movies, Marco never mentioned the Great Wall of
China, nor shown any awareness of written Chinese.  Based on his 
book, scholars have concluded that Marco probably spoke Persian, 
picked up some Mongolian, but did not know Chinese.

None of this proves one way or the other whether Marco actually
made it to China.  It's just an interesting theory, like those
about the Shakespearean plays not written by Shakespeare, but
another playwright of the same name.

Joe Huang
From: zeng@mth.msu.edu (Zhonggang Zeng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: [FWD] IFCSS on Shen Tong
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:43:23 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Michigan State University

In article <wu239-040992011442@cinder.ncl.ac.uk> unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Wu Dengxing) writes:
>Who the fuck cares about Shen Tong? The shithead asked for it. 
>Chinese Government clearly stipulated that student exiles are welcomed
>to return to China as long as they do not participate in any activities 
>prejudicial to the national interests. That implies that all the assholes
>fucking around brandishing their notions of what is good for China 
>should not return to China to organise stupid anti-Government activities
>funded by foreign governments or agencies. It does not matter what
>kind of banner you wish to uphold...democracy, bullshit, religious shit
>etc. Shen Tong wished to fuck the system in the eyes of the world. The 
>system fucks back! Few countries around the world would welcome agitators
>to return to their home country to establish rebellion and overthrow of the
>ruling government. S. T. knowingly fucked with the law. Let the law fuck
>him. May not be the best law in the world but once the regulations have
>been clearly established....it's not up to Shen Tong and his bunch of 
>advisers to toy with the law and then cry foul afterwards when they are
>implemented. No need for us all to sell our backsides as well signing all
>these fucking pompous bullshit. Shen Tong will be news as long as 
>western newspapers think he is newsworthy. No more call for Chinese
>cunts for sale please. 

This guy, Wu Dengxing, needs parental guidance.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xinjin@athena.mit.edu (Xinjin Zhao)
Subject: Information on Celvis, Cxterm
Keywords:  Celvis, Cxterm
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 19:21:15 GMT


Could somebody send me some information on how to USE (again: USE, not INSTALL)
celvis with cxterm window?  Some simple instructions would be helpful.  Any helps
would be greatly appreciated.




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: Olympic Swimming Gold Medalist ZHUANG Yong To Marry in Hong Kong
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:08:37 GMT

    In article <1992Aug25.141332.25115@CS.ORST.EDU> lamb@jasper.CS.ORST.EDU (Ben Lam) writes:
    >In article <1992Aug25.135306.11066@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> zliu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Zhong Liu) writes:
    >>Seems to me she had a divorce sometime before. Well,
    
    >really?  And she's only 19 years old.
   
    >>at least, she again proves to be a female. Sorry to some netters.
    >>I doubt whether that Hongkong guy really felt in love with her or
    >>just for her name.
    >>
    >>Any clues?
  
    >May be she fell in love with his money.  Who knows?  Who cares?  :-)
 
    >--Ben

I am not fond of writing on this kind of subject (other people's private life), but
some of the posting on Zhuang Jong is really off base.  Guys, if you are interested,
check out an article on China Press (Kiu Po or Chao Pao).  There is an article on 
the marriage.  I am sure weeklies like Ming Pao Weekly would have more details too.

Here is what I remember: the groom (Mr. Wang) is indeed doing business in HK.  However,
he was brought up in China, and then went on to US.  Wang was a swimmer himself too,
and was reprenting his school.  Wang and Zhuang happened to be trained in the same
facilities and that is when they first met.  I think Zhuang was about 12 or so at
that time.  Apparently, nothing serious was going on, and both went on their own
ways. Wang later went to HK to do business.  He read about Zhuang from the news
coverage of 1988 Seoul Olympic, and begin writing letters to her. That's how it 
happened and the rest is history.

-cw-
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24283 soc.culture.japan:7458 soc.history:7885
From: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.history
Subject: Re: Japanese Expansion - 1930's (was: An open letter to the Emperor...)
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:40:20 GMT
Reply-To: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: shchen@c00010-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu



|>In article <visser.715029312@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:
|>>In <1992Aug27.181042.11197@acuson.com> miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:
|>>
|>>+> 
|>>+>        I was pretty appalled at the claim by a Japanese (related by
|>>+>        Dave McLane ) that Japan invaded China (in the 1930s) at the
|>>+>        request of the Communist Party of China.  Japan was busily
|>>+>        jailing every leftist in Japan and the Imperialists who headed
|>>+>        Japan were as adamantly opposed to socialism as the Nazis, and
|>>+>        Fascists, despite some similarities in the rhetoric of all
|>>+>        those groups.
|>>
|>>		I think the events that shed the most light on what was
|>>	going on in Japan in the 1920's and 1930's was the large numbers of
|>>	outright murders of officials of the government that were committed
|>>	either by the military or by right-wing fanatics.
|>>
|>>	At the time of the Manchurian Invasion, fanaticism in Japan was like
|>>	a fire burning out of control.  Many japanese actions look more like
|>>	just a fanatic desire to expand in some direction than an organized
|>>	effort.  From what little I understand, those years are partially
|>>	characterized by endless factionalism.....army vs. navy vs. goverment
|>>	vs. right-wing civilian fanatics vs. businessmen
|>>	and with factions fighting each other within those major groups. 
|>>
|>>	The strangest and most unexplainable thing I have found in this era
|>>	was Japan's easy withdrawl from the portions of Siberia it occupied
|>>	during the Russian civil war.  Considering that these were "dream"
|>>	territories for the nationalist fanatics, and considering the
|>>	remoteness from the center of Russian military power, I would have
|>>	expected the Japanese to try to hold some of the territories or 
|>>	fight it out with the russians more than they did.
|>>
|>The reason that Japanese Army did not want to hold on to portions of
|>Siberia is really quite simple if you exam the behavior of the Japanese
|>Army in other occupied areas.  You see, gang raping women in sub -40C
|>temperatures might cause their penises to freeze and fall off, and that 
|>REALLY discouraged the Imperial Army to hold on to that WORTHLESS piece
|>of territory, a warmer climate is much more prefered for the recreational
|>activities of the Imperial Army ...
|>

Sorry, but I have to agree with that.  The perennial horny Jap Army would 
screw anything that moves or still has a pulse under any and all circumstances.
A frozen penis will not deter them from copulating that horse or cow or 
chicken or among themselves.

|>(Okay, Okay, I guess I offended some people, sorry, just couldn't 
|>resist the joke ;->  I know it's bad ...  No flame please!)  
|>>

This is no joke.  It is fact.
From: pgb3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL G. BEIDLER)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Quick!
Date: 23 Aug 92 17:08:17 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Quick!  Anybody out there studying Chinese at the University of Washington in
Seattle?  I need some information about the department before I move out there
in a few weeks.  Please respond to PGB3@Lehigh.edu.  Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yongbai@physics.su.OZ.AU (Yongbai Yin)
Subject: Re: Olympic Swimming Gold Medalist ZHUANG Yong To Marry in Hong Kong
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:46:33 GMT

In article <BtJvzA.AyK@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>:
>:As for what does "new husband" really/truely mean/imply, ask Xiaofei WANG 
>:or Lix (the old one :-) on SCC :-)
>
>`I bought a new car' means the CAR is a new one, not a used one. 
>( That is, I bought a car from a dealer, not from Eddie ). 
>I might have another car before that or I might not. The sentence simply
>did not say anything about my driving history. 
>
>Similarly the adjective `new' defines `husband'. It means the HUSBAND is
>new, i.e. never married. It says nothing about Zhong Yong's marriage
>history. 
>-- 
 can accept this expanation on "new husband".  But I do alwyas believe
the "new husband" more means "another husband" than "just married husband".  I
think she will feel embarrassed if one call "new husband" for a bridegroom, at
least it is somewhat unpolite.  I am sure one will be fixed by people's eyes if
s/he uses "new husban" or "new wife" in a wedding ceremony.  This can also be
seen in chinese society.  We can say "Xing lang" but not "Xing zhang fu".
From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Top 10 most fashionable words in SCC
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:34:55 GMT
Organization: Brown University
NNTP-Posting-Host: eddy.cfm.brown.edu

In article <1992Aug26.164213.28643@news.acns.nwu.edu>, zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
|> 
|>      
|> 
|> 
|>   Top ten most fashionable words:
|> 
|>   10.  you jerk
|>    9.  you idiot
|>    8.  you hypercrotic
|>    7.  dogshit
|>    6.  bullshit
|>    5.  what-so-ever shit
|>    4.  ass
|>    3.  asshole
|>    2.  f**k
|>    
|> 
|>    And now the NO.1 fashionable word in the group of SCC:
|>   
|>    you communist running dog!  
|> 
   English is really a colorful and expressive language, isn't it? People
are learning fast, but not enough, here are more: s.o.b, dummy, s**k and
performing sex in public, etc.
Anyhow, English is a civilized language, it is legitimate to use it. Of
course, this is only my opinion. If one is serious about talking 
about civilization, he should consult Mr. Tawit Chitsomboon, our half-Han
brother, who is the expert on civilizatins all over the world, especially on
American, Chinese and Tibetan. I have learned so much from him that I am
considering to ask him as my civilization advisor.
From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Top 10 most fashionable words in SCC
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:27:56
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
	<1992Aug26.164213.28643@news.acns.nwu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: passion.think.com
In-reply-to: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu's message of Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:42:13 GMT


  I think using vulgarities in a foreign language often shields the
speaker/writer from feeling how bad those words are.  For example, I
may say something vulgar in Chinese, which does not really bother me
very much, because although I know the meaning, I do not have a very
deep feeling from those words.  But my Chinese friend may feel very
uncomfortable to hear those words from me, because there is more than
just the simple meaning to them.  So I think sometimes a Chinese
person may be flinging American vulgarities around, saying things
which bother me quite a lot, but which the author thinks is not so
bad.

  Of course, I do avoid using any vulgarities in Chinese, since I do
not want to be rude.  I wish people on SCC may try to do the same,
rather than simply digging for the worst words possible in order to
insult someone they disagree with.

--
Dave Hiebeler                  | hiebeler@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation  | (617) 234-4070
From: liang@cs.arizona.edu (Song Liang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test, igore..
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:04:56 GMT

test.