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From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 18:40:19 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <946908.2A8D772E@cmhgate.fidonet.org> Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson) writes:
>Rick Kelly of 1:226/20 wrote to All of 1:226/20
>on <Aug 11 at 17:34>
>
> RK> From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
> RK> Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent 
> RK> Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
> RK> Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
>
> RK> In article <1992Aug10.201022.16114@jr.rhein-main.de> 
> RK> joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel) writes:
>>bill@glidden.UUCP (Bill Glidden) writes:
>>: I have a BocaResearch 14.4Kbps internal modem. Under DOS, I get really
>>: good transfer rates (about 1500bps). However, under Coherent, I am only
>>: getting a max of about 400bps. Actually, the rates range everywhere from
>>: ~= 60 to about 422bps. Any suggestions or hints (other than throwing
>>: away my modem?!)
>>
>>When you use Coherent 3.2 then you should not exceed 9600 Baud.
>>When you use 3.2.1 with the newer driver or even 4.0 then you should 
>ensure
>>to have a 16550AFN Uart in your serial card.
>>
>>I have here transfer rates (V32bis MNP4/V42bis/NONE):
>>
>>sz:   800 cps    (ZMODEM)
>>sb:  1300 cps    (YMODEM)
>>kermit5a: 800 cps (large windows)
>>uucp: 1000 cps - 1200 cps  (Taylor 1.3
>>
>>MODEM: USR Dual Standard.
>>Baudrate: fixed 19200 Baud
>
>>PS: With 3.2 your transfer rates are that slow :-((
>
>
> RK> With 3.2.1 running on my 386/33 I was running my serial port at 19200
> RK> and using a Telebit T2500 set up for PEP transfers.  I was getting around
> RK> 900 cps.  And I was using NS16550AFN.
>
> RK> A 286 would be a much different story.
>
>  Rick,
>   
>      I tried to get 3.2.1A to run at 19200 and It would not work..
>
>      I have a 16550AFN on com4. and a PM14400FXSA next to it..
>
>      Maybe when I get 4.0 I can go 14.4 speeds?
>

The Telebit has an advantage in that it can do UUCP-g spoofing when running
in PEP mode.  Under 3.2.1 I could only do about 500-600 cps with V.32.

With 4.0 and Taylor UUCP, you ought to be able to run at 19200 without
any problems.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: charless@sco.COM (charles stross)
Subject: Re: Seeing links
Organization: The Somewhat Contagious Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:17:13 GMT


In article <1992Aug11.193458.12647@delfin.com> beehive!paul@cirrus.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug8.194241.857@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>, jboggs@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (John D. Boggs) writes:
>|> Is there a way to see what the links are between files on Coherent?
>ls -l shows the number of (hard) links to a file or directory: the
>second field, of course.
>
>|> The only way I can think of to do this is comparing the
>|> creation times / sizes on various files, which is cumbersome at best
>Comparing inode numbers is easier and 100% reliable (when the files
>are in the same partition).  It is "ls -i" and this Unix; I don't
>remember if it is the same for Coherent.
>
>|> impossible if the links are to files in separate directories.
>There is no easy way to answer the question: "Here's a file, gamma,
>with 2 links.  One is this directory.  Where is the other?"
>Backpointers (from the file to all directories which have an entry for
>it) just aren't kept.  Directories find their parent by including an
>entry for ".." -- a backpointer!

It _is_ easy ... just try this two-line script:

myinum=`ls -i $1 | cut -f2 -d" "`
find / -inum ${myinum} -print 2>/dev/null

(NB: the cut flags may differ in coherent -- I've only done this under
UNIX and Xenix so far.) The basic idea is to grab the inode number of
$1, the argument to this script, and do a find for files that share
the inum.

Of course, this is a one-file solution; a script using this technique to
cross-reference all the links on a file system would be prohibitively
expensive computationally. To do a real cross-reference you'd want
to build a table based on the inode table, then for each file in 
the mounted file systems append its name to the corresponding inode
number. An inode entry in the table with >1 filename after it
is a file with multiple links.

(I am, of course, too lazy to write this utility :-)


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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: a question about serial cards and other hardware stuff
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:32:35 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

t9114145@phillip.edu.au () writes:
( lines deleted )
: A further question; If I buy a two-port serial card and set jumpers for 
: COM3 and COM4, will Coherent let me plug in modems/other devices automagically,
: or do I need to mess about with software too? The cards sell for about $39,
: so it's a cheap solution. I want to use extra terminals and a modem, and
: keep a mouse plugged in too.

No problem, I'm using two boards with two serial ports each in my system.
I've connected my mouse to com1 and my modem to com2 because I want to
use this devices sometimes under DOS. My terminal is connected to com3,
and it works automatically after an entry in /etc/ttys and enableing it.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: friberg@mtu.edu (Kenneth W. Friberg)
Subject: tcp/ip for coherent
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:35:59 GMT

I tried to send mail to Randy Wright about this, but it bounced.  I am
trying to get an amateur radio BBS running using the sys5 ka9q package.
Could you please make a copy of your sources, or diffs to an available
source available?  Also, are the AX25 portions working, or haven't you
worked on them?

Thanks
Ken Friberg n8pbe
From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Prospective Coherent buyer's question
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:01:54 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

scalawag@milton.u.washington.edu (Keith Frederick) writes:
: Now that v4.0 of Coherent is available, I'm thinking about buying
: Coherent (again!). Although I use Windows most of the time, I would
: like to acquire some Unix-type experience and familiarity with the
: environment. My main question though is whether one can write documents
: that utilize mathematical equations and the such. The printer I have is
: a LaserJet IIp.
:  
: My needs are not too great and I'm not looking for a graphical viewer
: or anything, just something that creates the necessary output on the
: printout.

You can't do it by only buying Coherent 4.0, because the ROFF stuff
comes without the tbl and eqn pre-processors. Some time ago I searched
for public domain, freeware or shareware versions of this programs.
What I've found is groff, the roff package from GNU, which has also
sources of the pre-processors. Unfortunately they are written in C++,
and I don't have a C++ compiler yet. So you have to wait until you
can get gcc+ or you have to buy one of the two C++ compilers from
third party vendors.
Another way would be to port TeX to Coherent 4.0. I've only take a short
look at it, there are MB's of sources and fonts.

: Also, what is a realistic amount of room that should be allocated
: for Coherent v4.0 on the hard drive? Is 4 megs of memory ok or is
: more required for doing anythign substantial?

I've 2MB memory in my system, and I'm running elm, tin, nn, utree
and some other larger programs with it. However, it's not enough
to run various of the large programs from the console, a terminal
and a remote connection at the same time. If you want to use
virtual consoles or virtual terminals with the screen package
with a lot of programs on all these virtual consoles/terminals
you'll need more memory. If you want to run gcc you should have
8MB of memory. For the first steps your 4MB are fine, if you
don't connect to much terminals/modems to your system.
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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: MORE uucp blues
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:30:39 GMT
Organization: umunk (private)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

friberg@mtu.edu (Kenneth W. Friberg) writes:
: I know this is an ancient question, but I didn't need the info the last
: time I heard the answer....
: 
: I am trying to get UUCP (Coh 3.2.0U, don't know what version of uucico)
: to connect to a host through an Annex host server.  Basically you dial
: into the beast and then tell it who you want to log into.  The problem
: is that after sending the one to ten (yes the number varies) carriage 
: returns to get the baud/bits info strait, uucico never seems to get the
: prompt.  The last message it gets is the connected at 2400 line.  After
: that it goes into the routing of wait for a prompt, if you don't get it
: after 25 seconds send a CR and wait some more, etc.  Unfortunately, it
: never realizes it has the prompt (or never gets it).  If I connect 
: manually (with ckermit), it works...but I can't connect uucp to the
: network that way. Any suggestions?  I'm stuck.
: 
: Thanks in advance

Run uucico with the option -x9 and you'll see what really happens.
Every byte of input/output through the modem with this option goes
to the terminal and also into /usr/spool/uucp/.Log/uucico/UUCICO.
Hope this helps.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: To update or install?
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:44:39 GMT

I just recieved my 4.0 upgrade yesterday.  I'm now in the process of
backing up all of the disk partitions.  Should I clean out the
Coherent system partition and install from scratch or should I run the
update program?

If I install from scratch, I can restore stuff from my tar archive as
I need it.  Anybody have any problems with the upgrade installation
program?

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Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  I am having FUN...  I
Rosemount Inc.                                |wonder if it's NET FUN or
                                              |GROSS FUN?
grante@aquarius.rosemount.com                 |
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: patbob@analog1com (Patrick White - SST)
Subject: Re: 4.0, Low level IO and problems...
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:16:10 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <9208192524@umunk.GUN.de>, udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
|> sje@xylos.ma30.bull.com (Steven J. Edwards) writes:
|> : Undeletes are just too dangerous on Unix-type systems because it's too
|> : hard to guarantee file system integrity when more than one agent is
|> : accessing the same information.  Remeber, the Unix file system
|> : utilities are designed with the thought that only they as a group will
|> : be fiddling with various hidden parts; they often assume that
|> : everything is okay, thus causing human-introduced errors to grow and
|> : expand in avalanche fashion.
|> 
|> There is a save way: substitue rm by a programm, which brings the file
|> to delete into an archive (tar, zip, cpio or whatever). After that the
|> file can be deleted by the new command. Write an undelete command which
|> extracts the file back from the archive, and then removes it from the
|> archive. Of cause this needs more or less diskspace. Take a look onto
|> DR-DOS 6.0, how DRI has solved this problem.

	A faster and more efficient way is to have rm make a hard link to the
file in a save directory before it unlinks it.  Much faster than copying bytes.
	Of course, need to make provisions for people removing files of the
same name, and usually want a way to automatically remove old saved files when
need the space on the file system.

	I see three ways to implement this:

	1) write a new rm.  But this would only save files removed with it.
	2) change the C library unlink() function.  Only things recompiled
	   with the new C lib will save files.
	3) rewrite the unlink system call (ie. diddle in the kernel).  This
	   would give retroactive file saving to all binaries on the system,
	   but requires OS source.  However, doing this also would allow the
	   OS file system code to be modified to remove old saved files as
	   needed to reclaim filesystem space.

	I've seen this done via (1) & (3).  There is a performance loss either
way, but (3) provided the most transparent solution.

	I didn't invent these ideas, I've just seen them tried at school.


later,
Pat White (patbob@techbook.com | patbob@mentorg.com)
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Nethack (was: Re: CohWare volume III)
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:58
Organization: Private Coherent 4.0.1 site Augsburg/Bavaria/Germany

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
> 
> So, has anyone ported nethack yet?

I lost when trying to link the 1080 K of object files on my 2 MB system.
(ld: Out of space). Time to upgrade...

Anyway:  Make sure you have an empty or defragged partition to do it on
(compile time: 2 hours with 16 MHz and a 16 ms hard disk), and take care
of the cc bugs showing in mhitu.c and uhitm.c mentioned in my previous
article.

--ralf
-------------If your nose runs and your feet smell, you're built upside-down.
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: patbob@analog1com (Patrick White - SST)
Subject: Re: distrution disk backup
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:10:35 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <k84m!rq.rbean@netcom.com>, rbean@netcom.com (William Chen) writes:
|> Big question, how do I backup the five distribution disks.  Do I just make a
|> bootable floppy according to the Lexicon's booting section, and then there-
|> after mount every floppy disk, copy with cpdir everything from the floppy to
|> the HD, and then cpdir that to a newly fdformat-mkfs floppy.

	According to the Lexicon for 3.2 (listed under "boot"), one simply
formats some floppies that are the same size & density as the distributed ones,
and then uses dd to copy the data from one disk to the other, staging it on
the hard disk.
	Its easier for you to read it in the manual than for my error-prone
memory to re=call all the little details.


later,
Pat White (patbob@techbook.com |patbob@mentorg.com)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: drsmith@uts.EDU.AU (D Smith)
Subject: 4.0.1
Organisation: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 12:05:28 GMT

What is the difference between 4.0.0 and 4.0.1

There are a number of references made to version 4.0.1 and my master disks 
(includeing the replacement manual disk I was sent) are labeled 4.0.0

Is there a 4.0.0 in existance?

is there a 4.0.1 in existance?

What are the differences?

darryl
drsmith@amdahl.ccsd.uts.edu.au

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Wyse Terminals
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 07:59:43 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit)

"Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:

> I have gotten hold of a Wyse 60 terminal as salvage(as is!).
> I've connected it to com1 on my system...set it up for polled access
> because my modem is on com3. The instruction for ttys setup seem clear;
> but even when I try to manually enable the terminal, it won't work.
> The screen comes on--but all it reacts to is the caps lock and numlock
> keys. To add to the confusion, I'm not even sure the terminal is working!

I'd try and get more info the terminal if I were you, I'm using a Kimtron
ABM-85 on com3l and it runs great (although the termcap entry needs more
work). Make sure you're using the local device (com?l) rather than the
remote one.

						- k
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent,comp.os.os2.misc
From: cvadrtbc@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Srikanth Viswanathan)
Subject: Re: OS/2 files to Coherent using HPFS?
Organization: California Polytechnic University, Pomona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:20:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <d4PS02gG1dt901@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, tpa10@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Thomas P. Anderson) writes...
>In article <1992Aug13.113237.12689@phillip.edu.au> t9114145@phillip.edu.au writes:

>>Is anyone using Coherent on the same HD as OS/2 2.0? I am wondering if
>>I will still be able to transfer files to and from the two partitions
>>if I choose OS/2's HPFS as opposed to the DOS FAT file system. Coherent
> 
>I sure wouldn't count on it!  I just installed OS/2 2.0, DOS 5.0, and
>Coherent 3.2 (still waiting for my upgrade to arrive -HINT HINT-) on a
>200+ meg hard drive.  I avoided the HPFS like the plague, as the OS/2
>doc indicates that you will not be able to do file sharing with your DOS
>partition and, I beleive, you CANNOT put OS/2 on an extended DOS
>partition if you use HPFS.  If DOS-OS/2 aren't going to share, I doubt
>very much that Coherent will pick up the slack.  With the FAT system
>you have the best chance of sharing between all three systems
>   EXCEPT THAT Coh 3.2 CAN'T DEAL WITH DOS 5.0'sFILE SYSTEM!!

Hmm, I don't know anything about Coherent, but according to your
message, you didn't use Boot Manager, if you use Boot Manager then
you should be able to run Coherent.  I know that people are running
OS/2 and Linux on the same HD as OS/2 using Boot Manager.  

Srikanth
From: pechter@ocpt.ccur.com (Bill Pechter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: How good is the "vi"?
Keywords: vi editor expressions junk
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:03:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: ocpt.1581
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.,Information Services

In article <579m3v+.rob@netcom.com> rob@netcom.com (Robert Rogers) writes:
>I'm really thinking hard about buying coherent 4.0, but I have one
>thing holding me back - how good is the version of vi that comes with
>it?
>
>Somebody at MWC said one of the programmers loved elvis 1.7 (comes
>with 4.0?). Is it that much better? Am I going to have to use emacs all
>the time for it to feel like "real" *nix?

It's significantly improved.  I've had mine 2 days - so far it's almost
as good as the MKS stuff.

I wish MWC would just hire MKS to port the real ksh, vi and lex, yacc,
RCS etc.   They also need inittab/gettydefs or some kind of ttys/gettytab
file to enable custom setup gettys.  Actually getty_ps from the 
net is supposed to work real well as a uugetty/getty replacement (hint).
 
The 4.0 MWC stuff is pretty good.  The MKS stuff is excellent.  
The two together would be unbeatable.

Now for TCP/IP and FTP support.
(MWC - leave out sendmail and go for either Smail3.x or MMDF...
configuring sendmail is a bit too difficult).  Actually the Smail 2.5
mix with the standard sendmail works ok for uucp use.

Bill


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From: mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Who are you?
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:29:55 GMT
Organization: Pacific Software Group, Riverside, Ca.

In article <92081262@umunk.GUN.de> udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk) writes:
>Rsh is a copyrighted program from AT&T for System V, as far as I know there
>is no public domain version of it available.

Typically /bin/rsh is nothing more than a hard link to /bin/sh.  Anyone
with one of the freely available Bourne-like shells, and the interest in
doing so, could make a restricted shell; all in all, it's a rather trivial
extension.  The rules are pretty basic:

       - do not execute commands when argv[0] contains a path;
         thus the command "/bin/ls" would not be allowed, but "ls"
         would be

       - do not allow the user to modify "special" environment
         variables (ie: SHELL, PATH, HOME, LOGNAME); for additional
         security, you would probably want to make the variables
         EDITOR, VISUAL, MAIL and read-only as well

       - do not allow the builtin command 'cd'

       - do not allow output redirection with '>' or '>>'

       - if interrupted while in /etc/profile or $HOME/.profile,
         die immediately; this is because no restrictions are
         enforced until after these startup scripts have been
         processed

       - if the command being executed is a shell script or function,
         use /bin/sh (since there are no restrictions, scripts
         should be carefully reviewed before giving restricted users
         access to them)

-- 
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Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA
From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: New Cnews for Coh 4.0?  (Where?)
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:27:06 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

I remember seeing some talk about the latest release of cnews being ported
to Coherent 4.0.  Who has it?  I don't see it over at Raven.  I've gotten
nn and tin so I'd like to check 'em out. :-)

As an aside, would it be possible to keep the gnews subsytem and just use
the new news reader?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,

Chris
From: dfilip@colornet.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Installation of 4.0 - missing disk  2 !
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:29:30 GMT
Distribution: world

Today, after waiting months, I installed my recently received copy of Coherent
4.0. I sat down at my PC, booted the boot floppy, and easily answered all the
questions, and installed a minimal Coherent on my hard disk. System
re-booted, and asked me to insert one of the remaining disks. I inserted the
disk labeled 'Disk 2', and the system told me that I had already inserted
disk 1. It took the remainder of the disks, but would not take disk 2, and
kept complaining it was disk 1. I called MWC, and they informed me that some
of the kits were shipped with two disk 1's, and that they would need to ship
me another disk 2.

Was wondering how many others have experienced this same joy ???

Argh ! So close, yet so far ...

Regards,

Dave.

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