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From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Arabic Name
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 22:01:54 GMT

In article <18352.9209251217@thor.cf.ac.uk>, scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk (M.G) writes:
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|> From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk (M.G)
|> Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
|> Subject: Arabic Name
|> Message-ID: <18352.9209251217@thor.cf.ac.uk>
|> Date: 25 Sep 92 12:17:36 GMT
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|> In article <1992Sep25.022807.27523@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au writes:
|> |I am looking for an Arabic name for a boy, and would like some suggestions. The
|> |name should fit the following criteria:
|> |
|> |1. Non-religious.
|> |2. Easy to write and pronounce in English.
|> |3. Has a good meaning.
|> |4. Not too common.
|> |
|> ---------------------------------------------
|> 
|> How about
|> 
|> SADDAM    or   AFLAG
|> 
|> 
|> M.G.
|> Cardiff, Wales, U.K
|> ---------------------------------------------

The winner for this contest is my old friend M.G., I am pleased to congratulate
you M.G. for recommending the winning entry "SADDAM". You have won a free
one way air ticket to Iraq with $1000 cash for your spending enjoyment.

Your trip will begin by bording an Iraq Airways 747 which will depart from
heathrow airport direct to Baghdad. On board you will be treated by the Iraqi
intelligence to the most lavish entertainment that includes the finest sipping
champagne, russian caviar, and a dinner fit for a monarch. On arrival (should
you arrive in one piece) you will be greeted at the Baghdad airport by the
ghost of "AFLAG" marching to the tune of Arab Nationalism. You will then be
rushed past the customs to meet with the most fearless leader, Saddam to be
given a prestigeous tour of his secret closets that contain his trophies
of dead men. The $1000 cash can be spent on anything your heart desires,
should you live past this tour.

Once again congratulations and "bon voyage"

A.Faris
From: blais@ut-emx.uucp (Donald Blais)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Name
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:53:33 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Sep29.223655.26180@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au writes:
>all present day religions are derived from the ancient M.E religions
>that was used by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Aramaics, and Pheonecians.

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have roots in the Middle East.
From a world perspective, these can be classified as the "western"
religions.  Nominally the three can claim about half of the world's
population.  Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, and Shinto are
major belief systems which originated outside the Middle East.

>It is also a known fact that, the roman languages ( English, French,
>etc) are derived from the Pheonecian language.

This is incorrect.  All of the European languages with the exception
of Basque, Finnish, and Hungarian are in the Indo-European family.
The Indo-European family also includes Persian, Hindi-Urdu, and
Bengali.  Phoenician, Arabic, and Hebrew, are in the Afro-Asiatic
family.  They are related to Berber and the other native languages of
north Africa.  When people speaking different languages come into
contact, they end up borrowing terms from each other.  English and
French do have many individual words with roots in Arabic.  Modern
Arabic in turn has a number of words from the European languages.

It is true that the western alphabets, Hebrew, Greek, Roman, Cyrillic,
and Arabic all derive directly or indirectly from a Northwest Semitic
alphabet.  The Devanagari script and the scripts of southeast Asia
probably derive from writing systems of the Middle East as well.  The
Chinese, Japanese, and Korean writing systems do not.
-- 
Donald E. Blais             Internet: blais@utexas.edu
Computation Center          Bitnet:   blais@utxvms
University of Texas         UUCP:     uunet!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!blais
Austin, TX 78712            Phone:    +1 512-471-6387 +1 512-471-3241
From: rayes@Goat.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes)
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 04:30:23 GMT

In article <3903@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh) writes:
>
>After posting my little lecture to Abu Hisham, I hope that there is
>some hope for him :-) in finding the right Muslim lady.  And I don't
>think he could risk being married to someone like me - I'm too
>radical and disobedient :-).
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

otherwise known as: educated and independent!  Let's hear it for more
"radical and disobedient" types...:-)  Ya akhti...the brother who
finds you will be the envy of all his friends!  

Sandra.

>>jle  Abu-jle-Jr :)
>
>May Allah bless you and grant everyone with what they hope
>and dream - in this life and the Hearafter, insha'Allah.
>
>Anisa
> 
>
>
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Bandr Bin Sultan is Missing
Date: 26 Sep 92 03:37:11 GMT
Organization: Carleton University


   What bothers me is this new trick the are using in KSA:
Executing the unwanted guys for "insulting" God -- Glory to
His Name. It happend I think this month. It is amazing that
the last two words the "insultant" said before he went to
Heaven were "Allahu Akbar," which echoed in the ears of
everyone there. Does not this bring a tear to the eye?

   God explicitly promised (in Koran) eternal Hell fire to
those who kill innocent Muslims and He is the one Who does
whatever He wishes. No matter how long an oppressor's life is
it is going to an end, but his Hell is never going to see an
end (except his rear end!)

   "Wa sayalamu llatheena thalamoo ayya munqalabin yanqaliboun"

   The advice which the decent Saudi preachers sent to King
Fahd Guardian of the two shrines White House and Kinesit (sp?),
reveals much of the economical, administrative, political, (etc.)
corruption which is going on in the "Holy" kingdom. Saudi
authorities blacked out any info about it but "unforunately,"
it reached outside before and is available from "Dar Al_Moharrer"
in France for 200FF.

   Even once Penthouse had an article about secret sex in SA. If
what they published had been true, it is a real scandal. I think
most of it was. I think I still have that article.
   
**
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: SAUDI ARABIAN Software jobs
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:34:44 GMT
Organization: LC

In article <1992Sep27.181929.18990@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> jimmy@namao.ucs.ualberta.ca  writes:
>Hi,
>I am interested in Software jobs in Saudi Arabia. Would you know the following:
>  1. What kind of skills are in demand ?
>  2. What kind of minimum experience levels are needed ?
>  3. What is the best source for these jobs (i.e. agencies or companies
>     directly). Any names and address ?

None of the above is necessary; what's really important in
Saudi sw jobs is:

1. US Citizen by birth.
2. None Muslim.
3. Not of arabic or muslim origins.
4. The more blonde you are, the more you'll have a chance.
5. Must NOT read/understand Arabic.
6. Believe me.

jle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Subject: Poetry Request
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:50:14 GMT

Can someone please post a part of Malik ibn irRayb's poem
starting in:

  'alaa layta shi^ree hal 'abeetanna laylatan
        biwaadi l*gu*duu ozji lqiluu*su nnawaajiyaa
   falayta l*gu*duu lam yuq*ta^i rrukbo ^or*duhoo
        wa layta l*gu*duu maasha rrikaaba layaaliaa
?



** Spiritual Father of All Nightingales
   "A *huraamon ^alaa balaabilihi ddaw*ho
      *halaalon li*ttayri min kolli  jinsee?" --A. Shawqi
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Reason vs. Morals
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:17:46 GMT

faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris) writes:
: 
: Islam sought to perfect the previous religions (Judaism, Christianity), but
: it is not and will never be practiced based on reasoning and morality. I veiw
: Islam as another religion that attempted to tame the competitive nature of
: the human race. Islam did come closer than the other religions strictly because
: of the sever nature of its laws. If you remove those laws its reason and moral
: values will be just like its predecessors. I think Islam tends to be more
: idealistic and seems to bond reason and morality, but they are not fused.

That is where you are entirely wrong. Islam has never been idealistic. It takes
into account human nature. It is your back ground in Christianity that make you
say that. Read your previous paragraph.
	Islam does not want to perfect the previous religions, just correct
them. The original religions were just corrupted because of attempts to use
"idealistic" reasonings.
	As an example, Islam allows divorce, polygamy, delicious food,
sexual pleasure etc. because it knows the human nature. We just cannot pretend
that a man will not be sexually aroused when he seed some parts of a woman's
body. A resoning based on the fallacy that a man will not be aroused, is 
called the "idealistic reasoning".


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: rayes@Snake.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes)
Subject: Re: Arabic Names
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:41:04 GMT

In article <nabeel.717818612@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan) writes:
>rayes@Goat.mcs.kent.edu (Sandra Rayes) writes:
>
>   It is easy to pronounce ^Omar in English? Omigod!

Well, of course, most of us Westerners (not *I* of course) don't pronounce
it correctly...but yes, Omar is a name in English as well.


Ciao.   Sandra.

>
>>I like the way it sounds.  But the real reason of course, is that's
>>the name *I* like, after my two favorite figures of Arab History:
>>'Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (Radhi Allahu 'anhu) *and* 'Umar Al-Mukhtar
>>(Rahmatuallah 'alayhi) of Libya.
>
>   What about ^Omar ibn ^Abdil^Azeez (raa)?
>
>>Sandra, Um 'Umar (insha Allah!)
>
>**


Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi)
Subject: Re: Arabic Name
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 19:56:39 GMT

A. Faris writes:

>I am looking for an Arabic name for a boy, and would like some
>suggestions. Th
>name should fit the following criteria:
>
>1. Non-religious.
>2. Easy to write and pronounce in English.
>3. Has a good meaning.
>4. Not too common.
>
>

I was joking when I suggested Mohamed because it violates all the
above criteria, except number 3  :)
The name Mohamed is a taboo in this country nowdays.  I know
of people who feel ashamed to carry this name and they
changed it to Mike, Moe, and Mohand (Moh&).  But that is their
choice.

Ridha
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.afghanistan
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Kosovo: The Next Battle Front in the Balkan
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:20:45 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <FKITTRED.92Sep28195447@spchp11.BBN.COM> fkittred@spchp11.BBN.COM (Fletcher Kittredge) writes:

>The US got involved in very similar situation to Bosnia once.  It was
>in a small South-East Asian country called Vietnam.  The Vietnamese
>taught many Americans a lesson about our abilities to intervene in
>civil wars.  We were taught another lesson in Lebanon.  Don't expect
>us to forget anytime soon.

It is not the lives of US marines we ask; just to give the Bosnians
equal opportunity to defend themselves with weapons.

>As for the Europeans, "European Leadership" is the oxymoron of the
>ninties. 

That is undeniable. Unfortunately UK has played a very bad role in
this crisis, and played into the hands of the Serbians, just because
Kohl supported otherwise.

>peace be with you,

peace

Kutluk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: merigh@cpac.washington.edu (Mohamed Merigh)
Subject: Re: What is a real freedom?
Organization: Univ. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:40:14 GMT



ahashim@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Ahmed M. Hashim) writes:

>
>  3) So, the question is : which culture fits every society?  Is it the
>   indian culture, or the arabic, or the amarican?  If we choose one we are 
>   basicaly saying that the others are not good enough!

    It is hard to define "culture" and "society" without using a 
circular definition.  A society is defined by a culture and 
vice versa.  So, it is hard to talk about society X adopting culture Y 
because, in doing so, society X cesses to exist.  So, it would be
more fruitful to ask, "Why is not there one society only?"

    My feeling is that the diversity in societies is rooted in humans
not knowing what the purpose of life is.  The analysis you gave later
in your article was based on a PARTICULAR answer to his search for purpose:
God has created people only to worship him, and his message is in the Coran.
There are, however, other explanations which, to an (ideally) unbiased 
mind, are equally plausible.

   So, to answer your title question, "What is real freedom?", I would
say that real freedom is the ability to search for an answer to the
most basic of all questions, "what is the purpose of life?" without
being hampered by the adepts of one answer or another.

Moh&

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: ghusain@eng.umd.edu (Ibrahim Al-Ghusain)
Subject: Re: Need a job
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:11:57 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: ghusain@mountaindew.eng.umd.edu


In article <1992Sep29.131108@IASTATE.EDU>, makhan@IASTATE.EDU (Mohammed A Khan) writes:
>I am looking for information (names, addresses or phone numbers) about 
>engineering jobs currently available in the gulf countries.
>I am interested in both civilian and defense industries.
>
>Any information anyone can provide will be greatly appreciated.
>===             ======                     ====================
>
>

You see here is an innocent inquiery (sp.?) about an innocent job.

Very soon , some of the morons in the group will turn it into 
a gulf- bashing, feeding frenzy

Ya haram ala halhal.
From: awair@igc.apc.org (Arab World and Islamic Resources)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Mass Killings
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:09:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471800191:000:1845
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!awair    Oct  2 13:09:00 1992


From: Arab World and Islamic Resources <awair>
Subject: Mass Killings


/* Written 12:19 pm  Sep 21, 1992 by 4f@delta.il.us in cdp:alt.save.the.e */
/* ---------- "@@@@ Mass killings @@@@" ---------- */
I have some disturbing news that I would like everyone to know.  A few
weeks ago I was eating dinner with some friends.  One of my friends told
me that over the summer he met four soldiers that took part in Desert Storm.
All of the soldiers told him a similar gruesome story.  According to the
soldiers, U.S. military personnel dug a huge pit and ordered Iraqi
POWs to lay down in the pit.  The U.S. military personnel were there ordered
to bulldoze sand over the Iraqi's in the pit.  THOUSANDS of Iraqi's were
BURRIED ALIVE.  The U.S. soldiers that took part in this were told that if
they refused to do this, they would be shot.  The thing that makes me believe
this is that none of the four soldiers that my friend talked to knew each
other and he talked to them individually.

A few days ago my friend told me that he has heard more about this incident.
He said that he has heard from another source that there was a war crimes
trial after Desert Storm, and there are now U.S. military personnel in
prison for doing this.

This story is really disturbing.  I am also afraid that this is an example
of another government cover-up.  I urge you to distribute this article to
anyone that you think will read it.  Print it out and mail it to a news
paper or tv/radio station.  Send a copy to your congress man/woman or
representative.  Call your local peace advocacy group and ask them if they
know about this.  Mail a copy of this to your favorite presidential
candidate, too.

You may have noticed that I am posting this anonymously.  The reason
for this is that I don't want to get snuffed out by the CIA.

Thank you,
A concerned citizen
From: merigh@cpac.washington.edu (Mohamed Merigh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Name
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:34:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: bailey.MERIGH.92Sep27153408
	<1992Sep26.195639.1581@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
	<MERIGH.92Sep26153501@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>
	<1992Sep27.193428.2159@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Organization: Univ. of Washington, Seattle


wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna) writes:

>>        The name Mohand, for you own information is the
>> berber version of Mohamed.  
>
>   You could have stopped at that.  You could have settled for attacking
>   him personally.  But, did you have to assault all Arabs with a deeply 
>   offensive tirade? 

   I know that what I said was very offensive.  I always thought that 
Ridha is from somewhere in the Maghreb, and I could not understand
how somebody from there does not know that Mohand is "Mohamed" in Berber.
Because of this, I could not interpret his saying that Mohand is an 
escape from "Mohamed" with anything else than a "denial" of the Berbers.
I got very offended, so I tried to offend him back (I explained this 
better in another message I posted yesterday). That is not my preferred
way of doing things, but it usually works.  It is only too bad that this
happened with Ridha.

Moh&

P.S: I almost feel that it's an obligation for me to keep the name
     Mohamed.  Despite my occasional outbursts, in the long run, I
     will contribute to a non-fanatic image of the name :=).
From: anoosh@mips.com (Anoosh Hosseini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: SAUDI ARABIAN Software jobs
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:26:49 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc, MIPS Technologies Inc
NNTP-Posting-Host: wildcat.mti.sgi.com

In article <1992Sep29.092050.1328@ascii.co.jp> marbm-b@ascii.co.jp (Marcos Bachir Mubaied) writes:
>
>aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu <Tue Sep 29 13:24:17 1992> writes:
>
>>>3. Not of arabic or muslim origins.
>>
>>	That's 100% true - especially after the Gulf War - and
>>	I have many people to support this.
>>Anisa
>
>	Could some one explain the reason for that? What are they affraid of?
>
>Bashir Mubaied
>

Recently a candidate interviewed here who had studied in S.A., had a Masters from 
a good U.S. university, graduating with a 4.0. He lost his job in S.A. because
he was Palestinian. As you can tell he had no kind words for S.A. Maybe he is
reading News somewhere.

Many regimes who fear for their existence, do not employ educated/talented 
individuals because they may gain power within the country and be a threat.
This includes citizens of their own country or in the case of Middle East, 
other Moslems and Arabs. Those who hold positions in such countries have been
cleared for the upmost loyalty to the regime(independent of their loyalty to
the country).  Foreigners are of choice for several reasons.  First its 
kind of a fashion, second they will leave after the end of the project,
and third they have loyatly to the person who is paying their large fees. 
Though such employment does not help the independence of a Third World 
country, it keeps the regime in power. (the Number 1 priority).  Lastly
the regime employes foreigners of the Super Power which is its primary 
backer. For example the British are dominant in UAE. 

Thus in the rich Arab states, one observes 2 catagories. Those who are in bed
with the British, and those in bed with the Americans. History has shown
that the British taken care of their friends much better than the Americans.
(American Profile: Noriega-Panama, Saddam-Iraq).  Any one in bed with the
Americans should keep their eyes open. For in the CIA, their surely exists
plans for rebellions/revolutions to overthrow every friendly Arab country
in the Middle East.  


As for Iran, looks are deceiving. 

Comments from 2 traveller from Iran:

"Not in their wildest dreams, could Churchill, (the British) or the Americans
find a person as Khomeini, who could destroy a country so fast and so well."

and from an another: (who served in the Shah's Military and trained in the U.S.)

"When I was here in the 50/60's training with the U.S. military, an American said 
to me that there files describing how one day the Mullas would be running Iran."

(believe it or not).


-anoosh 
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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Weird Exchange! (Was Re: Large phone bill in Dubai. Help needed)
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:31:34 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <n-_pqp=.hashem@netcom.com> hashem@netcom.com (Basil Hashem) writes:
>
>Yup, but not quite, "Yihari" mean burn and "Hareeshak" comes from "harsh"
>while I believe means farm (specifically one with lots of hay). It's a
>variant of "Yifdah Hareemak" which is rather rude.

I think we realize that although the root of both words may
not have the best meaning (nor is very polite), it was said
in jest and hopefully no harm was done to anyone.

>B'shufik ya` you ni

Wein, ya you ni??

Anisa :-)

Xref: sparky soc.culture.arabic:4028 soc.culture.lebanon:4170
From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Arabic Name
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:33:35 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

M.G (scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <1992Sep25.022807.27523@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au writes:
: |I am looking for an Arabic name for a boy, and would like some suggestions. The
: |name should fit the following criteria:
: |
: |1. Non-religious.
: |2. Easy to write and pronounce in English.
: |3. Has a good meaning.
: |4. Not too common.
: |
: ---------------------------------------------
: 
: How about
: 
: SADDAM    or   AFLAG

 Oh no, not again !!!!!!!!!.
: 
: 
: M.G.
: Cardiff, Wales, U.K
: ---------------------------------------------
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel Ghuzlaan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Bandr Bin Sultan is Missing
Date: 29 Sep 92 05:07:37 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:

   Don't you remember the story of the Saudi princess?
   
**
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Anisa Alnoor Aldoubosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: To Martillo
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:29:40 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Oct4.182309.4445@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kshammou@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Khaled J Shammout) writes:
>
>     Yes, some articles may drive us crazy; but by using such language, you are
>doing yourself a disservie.

I agree with you, but isn't that just the type of style we should
expect from someone like Mr. Alsabah?  :-)

Anisa