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From: m_adlard@csd.uwe.ac.uk (M Adlard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: P.I./R.P.
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:05:21 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol

In article <5377@sumax.seattleu.edu> grtorlba@sumax.seattleu.edu (George Torralba) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.223201.24194@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz) writes:
>>I am not a billioner or a hypocrite, I am a Pinoy 
>>P.I. or R.P. are the same to me 
>>
>>when I say P.I. I think about my native land all those 7000 plus Islands
>>when I say R.P. I think about those politicians in the 60s who changed
>>P.I. to R.P. I still accept it as the Phillipines though.
>>
>>P.I. or R.P. its the same and that is my opinion.               
>
>
>For a sec there, I was seeing R.I.P.
>
>
>George
>

Does it matter, the Philippine Islands are still a good place, and that's from
an Englishman... I plan to move there some time...
mat.



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+------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
|    Matthew Adlard      |          m_adlard@csd.brispoly.ac.uk          |
+------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+
          ** N.B. **  Any remarks made are my own views only.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Spanish colonialization : was  Mr. Godfrey
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 23:13:03 GMT

In article <0eqvqY_00iUxM8tK06@andrew.cmu.edu>, pm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Paolo
Vergara Malabuyo) wrote:
> 
> And from my experience, Filipinos are not all that bitter about the role
> that Spain played in our history.  That is such a very destructive

I guess I'm an exception to this.  I see many reasons why I should be
bitter about my ancestors being colonized by Spain or any other country. 
Maybe its just my pride.

> attitude!  Now how would feeling shame about that help at all?  Maybe
> what happened may not have been the best in some people's opinions, but
> it is part of our history and culture and we now have more immediate
> things to worry about.  
> 

Agreed.

Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
From: capistra@andromeda.rutgers.edu (M P Capistrano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Here's a LAN benediction!!!
Date: 10 Oct 92 06:26:28 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

[Some of you may have seen the following already, but WHO CARES!]  ;-) 

The Prayer

Our program, who art in Memory,
    Hello be thy name.
Thy Operating System come,
    thy commands be done,
    at the Printer as they are on the Screen.
Give us this day our daily data,
    and forgive us our I/O Errors as we forgive those
    whose Logic Circuits are faulty.
Lead us not into Frustration,
    and deliver us from Power Surges.
For thine is the Algorithm,
    The Application,
    and the Solution,
    looping forever and ever.
Return.



[The above is taken from the book called TECHNOBABBLE.]  :-)

-MPC-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Subject: The P.I. / RP
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 21:43:39 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

No offense to any Filipinos but that's what everybody called their
country when I was there.  Maybe the more professional people
from Manila as opposed to the poorer people in the countryside
call it The P.I. rather than The RP.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: PI=Philippines???
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:43:00 GMT

In article <Oct10.215913.50403@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)         writes...
>In article <1992Oct10.003551.13332@crash> noelg@crash.cts.com (Noel Gamboa) writes:
>>I for one couldn't figure out what "PeeEye" meant when I first heard
>>it.  I hear it a lot from first generation Filipino youths here in
>>San Diego.  I'm afraid the reason for using this term might be that
>>they're embarassed to say exactly which country they're from, so they
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>just say "PI" and those who know what it means will know.  It's sad.
>>I for one am never ashamed to say "Philippines."
> 
>	I don't think that's necessarily true.  More probably, this is
>	just a term they picked up from their parents and older Filipinos.
>	San Diego has a high concentration of Filipinos with military
>	connections, and as Ching pointed out, PI is used mostly by
>	military types.
> 
>	I have also rarely heard the term PI used back home, except
>	around the bases.  I dislike it because I consider it a
>	denial of our status as an independent nation.  I don't 
>	think it should be used, except (as someone pointed out)
>	in a geographical context.
> 
>	annette
>	ps: thanks to all those who responded to my request for info
>	

In England, PI is the usual abbreviation for our best satirical magazine,
Private Eye.  Certainly no-one would understand it to mean the Philippines,
unless they had mixed with American service personnel.

Of course PI is a demeaning name, sounding very much like the Philippines
are an American state (cf. RI [ Rhode Island]), or an annex of the US.
There is little doubt that many Americans think of it in that way.
Frankly, as most Filipinos take no pride in the part Spain has played
in their history (and quite rightly so, as Spain was the beginning of
the long downhill slide of the RP), I'm not sure I understand why they
have kept the name Philippines at all.  Why not "Pinland" or "Pinesia"
or something like that

laurence
From: news@netnews.upenn.edu (USENET News System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Misuari Willing to Talk Peace
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:48:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: microlab.-131092164803
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	MANILA, Philippines (UPI) -- The exiled leader of a Muslim separatist
rebellion in the south has indicated willingness to return home and join
in peace talks with President Fidel Ramos' government, a Filipino
legislator said Friday.
	Congressman Eduardo Ermita said he met Nur Misuari, chairman of the
Moro National Liberation Front, recently in Tripoli, Libya.
	``There are many things, the usual things, that we discussed, but he
is very positive about wanting to sit down with us to further peace
talks,'' Ermita told reporters.
	Ermita, former defense undersecretary, was authorized by Ramos to
talk with Muslim guerrillas waging a war for independence on the
southern island of Mindanao, 500 miles from Manila.
	Misuari, who is based in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, returned to the
Philippines briefly in 1986 and forged a cease-fire with former
President Corazon Aquino during talks held in the remote southern island
of Jolo. He left the Philippines after the peace talks failed.
	Ramos, a former general, has offered peace to communist insurgents,
military rebels and the Muslim separatists in a bid to restore stability
and bring peace to the divided nation.
	More than 50,000 people, mostly civilians, were killed in the
separatist war, which reached its height in the 1970s.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: PI=Philippines???
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:23:00 GMT

In article <houch.718920274@cavern>, houch@cavern.mitre.org                    writes...
>godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
> 
>>In England, PI is the usual abbreviation for our best satirical magazine,
>>Private Eye.  Certainly no-one would understand it to mean the Philippines,
>>unless they had mixed with American service personnel.
> 
>Same goes for most Americans, unless they are older.
> 
>>Of course PI is a demeaning name, sounding very much like the Philippines
>>are an American state (cf. RI [ Rhode Island]), or an annex of the US.
>>There is little doubt that many Americans think of it in that way.
>Most Americans are generally clueless about the Philippines, and are not
>even aware of the influence the U.S. once had.  If I have a complaint
>about Americans' attitudes about the Philippines, it's that they don't
>feel more of a sense of connection to the country.  Very few feel any
>responsibility, and even fewer would want to claim any connection to
>it.    
> 
>>Frankly, as most Filipinos take no pride in the part Spain has played
>>in their history (and quite rightly so, as Spain was the beginning of
>>the long downhill slide of the RP), I'm not sure I understand why they
>>have kept the name Philippines at all.  Why not "Pinland" or "Pinesia"
>>or something like that
> 
>Frankly, as most Americans take no pride in the part England has played
>in our history, I'm not sure why we have kept English names for many of
>our political entities.  I think I'll bring it up at the next meeting of
>the Cambridge city council.
> 
>-- Jim
> 
> 
I would not argue with that.  I feel no pride in the part England has 
played in my personal history, and would willingly surrender by passport 
if I could find another country to take me.

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: lewc@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Lew Chua-Eoan)
Subject: test
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:22:57 GMT


Hello, everyone, this is my first posting. This is a test.
From: rbt112@phys.anu.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Mr. Godfrey, yeah...sure!!!
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:27:12 GMT
Organization: Research School of Physical Sciences, ANU
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.15.74

L. Godfrey writes:
(deleted stuffs)
> Frankly, as most Filipinos take no pride in the part Spain has played
> in their history (and quite rightly so, as Spain was the beginning of
> the long downhill slide of the RP), I'm not sure I understand why they
	Frankly, too, I didn't know you're an expert on Philippine 
issues and you have talked to many of us to make this conclusion of how
we feel about our Spanish colonial past.

> have kept the name Philippines at all.  Why not "Pinland" or "Pinesia"
> or something like that
	We have grown to love the name so much, we just can't change it.
Besides, it is already an americanised version of the original Spanish
name for our country.
	By the way, I checked the other groups you have been posting to. Yes,
you have the right to "raid" newsgroups to have "stimulating and intelligent"
exchange of opinions with other people, but I have a feeling that you are just
a lonely person who wants somebody to talk to.
								royt
Pahabol(guess what this word means):
	I gather that SSC will be operational around the end of the century.
What are you working on? (Maybe a bit personal to ask in this posting, but
I hope the others will find you an interesting, not the irritating, sort of
person you seem to be.)
From: andym@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Andy Means)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Looking for Filipino folk music
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:00:55 GMT
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA

I would like to get some "real" Filipino folk music, preferably in CD form.
My problem is, I don't know where to start. What artists should I look for?
Do they still have folk artists in the Philippines or have they all turned
into carbon copies of western stars.  

Any recommendations welcome.

-->The group "Asin" is the one that comes to my mind.  They are kind of
   'folk/rock' in format.  They might be available in CD.  Oh! yes,
   there are other folk musicians like 'Freddie Aguilar,  Heber at ang
   Banyuhay', and of course 'Florante' who now lives in L.A. You might
   want to check out stores that sell singalong machines and tapes.
   I recommend 'Minus-1-One' music store in Daly City and San Jose.
   Do you consider 'Leron, Leron Sinta, Paru-Parung Bukid, Tayo na sa
   Antipolo' folk music?  I have them on cassette tapes recorded by
   Mabuhay Singers.

   Maybe others out there have recommendations.

   -Andy-
From: mig@beach.csulb.edu (Mig Gomez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Looking for Filipino folk music
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:05:10 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

In article <bernardo-121092192854@126.10.4.41> bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo) writes:
>I would like to get some "real" Filipino folk music, preferably in CD form.
>My problem is, I don't know where to start. What artists should I look for?
> Do they still have folk artists in the Philippines or have they all turned
>into carbon copies of western stars.  
>
>Any recommendations welcome.
>
>Marcelino Bernardo
>bernardo@erevax.bitnet
>*These opinions are my own*


How would you define folk music, and for that matter, "real"?
Are you referring to folk artists like Asin ("Kapaligiran", "Itanong
mo sa mga bata")? Or do you mean artists who sing "Leron Leron Sinta"
like the Bayanihan Troupe?

mig

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Instructional Computing Consultant                 CSULB Library LL22
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From: aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Sister's Bakery
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:52:45 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


So, for the folks out here in the Bay Area, I just wanted to let you
know about a 4 month old bakery/restaurant in Sunnyvale.  Quite good!
And quite reasonable.  Check it out.

It's on El Camino in Sunnyvale, in the same mall as Kirk's Burgers,
I believe it's close to the intersection of Bernardo and El Camino.



-- 
        ~
Aimee Manosa		aimee@wpd.sgi.com
			Silicon Graphics, Inc
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino,ucb.general
From: c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Subject: Books for the Barrios
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:42:29 GMT

We need help and/or donations!

Books for Barrios is a program to send used textbooks & school supplies
for needy students in the Philippines.  Help can be in the form of
donations and/or volunteer time (packing books, shipping them, etc.).

For more info, call Junie Q. (email for number) or if you are in the 
Bay Area, you can go to Sproul Plaza (Kababayan Book Drive) Mondays, Tuesdays,
and Wednesdays, at lunch time (~11 am - ~1 pm).
From: pm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Paolo Vergara Malabuyo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Mr. Godfrey
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:26:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0eqvqY_00iUxM8tK06
Organization: Sophomore, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Pinland?  Pinesia?  Excuse me?  Now where do you get names like these? 
Why not try to change America since it was named after Amerigo Vespucci?
 Change the name - what a very useless argument.  

And from my experience, Filipinos are not all that bitter about the role
that Spain played in our history.  That is such a very destructive
attitude!  Now how would feeling shame about that help at all?  Maybe
what happened may not have been the best in some people's opinions, but
it is part of our history and culture and we now have more immediate
things to worry about.  

That is my two centavos' worth.  And all I've said is my opinion alone.  

Paolo
From: andym@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Andy Means)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Help: How to cook sago?
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:44:12 GMT
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA


             
   About 'How to cook SAGO'.  According to I.E.'s Restaurant in
   Sunnyvale:

            1. Boil the water.  
	    2. Once the water is boiling, drop the 'sago' and
	       stir constantly so they don't stick together.
	    3. Cook and stir constantly for a couple of minutes.
            4. Drain the water to remove any impurities.
	    5. With the second set of boiling water under low heat,
	       drop back the 'sago' and again stir constantly.
            6. When the middle part of the 'sago' appear transluscent,
               the 'sago' is now ready to be served.

    
    I hope this works out.

			   I.E.'s Restaurant
                       161 South Sunnyvale Avenue
		         Sunnyvale, CA 94087
			  (408) 739-2828
From: dguerrer@lyra.cel.scg.hac.com (Dan Guerrero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Lua-"runt" GODFREY
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:36:01 GMT
Organization: not enough

In article <92284.222453U27876@uicvm.uic.edu> U27876@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>To all the readers of SFC, I just want to warn everyone that there is a
>blabbermouth, one, Rabbi Laurence Godrey, that know-it-all intellect.
> He's got this notion that just because he's a Jew and he's British he
> can go on other newsgroups (ours, Thais, Canadians, Singapore, France, and
>probably other ones) and site all the negative aspects of that particular
>culture, and do it on that culture's newsgroup on top of that.   So every-
> one, don't be surprised if you see this guy's name on this newsgroup
> criticizing the Philippines.

Was this really necessary?

Must you bring religion into this?

So what if he cites negative comments.  They are just that...his comments.
There is no need, EVER!, to bring religion and race into the picture.
--
Dan Guerrero : dguerrer@rigel.hac.com    Hughes Aircraft Co. Denver,CO
==========================================================================
The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the 
"social sciences" is: some do, some don't.  -Ernest Rutherford
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: Honeycoe, CLARK, + explanation
Followup-To: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:42:19 GMT

In article <Oct05.204814.46527@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
mk568652@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Mitchell Kotler) wrote:
> 
> I don't mean offense to Filipinos or their country, I think it's a great >place,the scenery, etc.

You just did!

> But I can't see it as a "exploitation" of people. I read somewhere that the >base pours in
> one million dollars DAILY into the economy at Angeles, not to mention Subic.  

Just because people are paid doesn't mean they were not exploited.  Of
course, if they didn't get payed, then it would be called something else:
slavery.

> 
> I am sorry but this is a fact of life.: 

I'm sorry too that there are plenty of hypocrites in this world who
willingly promote these types of exploitation by supporting it.  I'm sorry
too that the US government and the Philippine government allowed it to
exist.  Yes, it was up to the Philippine government to control, but the
presence of the US bases was definitely a big influence.  

Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
*  *
From: lulu@COOMBS.ANU.EDU.AU (by way of gustilo@pop-server.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: PH: Ramos favours US presence in SEA (forwarded from SEASIA-L)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 22:53:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


RAMOS FAVOURS U.S. PRESENCE IN SOUTHEAST ASIA. 11:22
            GMT [REUTR] R49210121510 MANILA, Oct 12, Reuter - Philippine
President Fidel Ramos said on Monday he favoured the continued presence of
U.S. forces in Southeast Asia as a stabilising factor in the region. "I
think it is to the mutual interest of all parties in the Asia-Pacific
region that there be a credible presence of the United States," Ramos said
in his weekly news conference. Ramos, who will preside over the withdrawal
of the last U.S. forces in the Philippines next month, refused to say
whether he would allow Washington limited access to Philippine facilities
in future. But asked if he wanted American forces to stay in the region,
Ramos said: "Yes, I think so. I think there is no escaping the fact that
the U.S. is a Pacific power. It is part of the Asia-Pacific region." The
United States has made clear it remains committed to forward deployment of
its forces in the area and has negotiated agreements with Singapore and
other Southeast Asian countries to allow American troops to use their bases
in a crisis. The United States is likely to seek an accord allowing its
warships and planes to use Philippine facilities when senior officers from
the two sides meet in Manila in November under the terms of a 1951 Mutual
Defence Treaty. The treaty pledges the United States to come to the defence
of the Philippines if it is attacked by a foreign power. "Access...is not
the paramount issue, but what is important is the continuing existence of
ties between the two countries," Ramos said. The United States is
withdrawing after the Philippine Senate rejected last year a treaty that
would have allowed it to use Subic Bay naval base northwest of Manila for
10 more years. Washington, which security experts say is still important
for regional stability after the end of the Cold War and collapse of the
Soviet Union, will continue to have bases in Japan, South Korea and Guam.
One of the most likely flashpoints is the Spratly Islands, a potentially
oil rich chain of atolls and reefs in the South China Sea claimed in whole
or part by Vietnam, China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei and the Philippines.
(c) Reuters Limited REUTER GENERAL NEWS
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Australian National University
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From: jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz)
Subject: Illegal Entry......
Reply-To: jcruz@etch-eshop.Berkeley.EDU (Joey Cruz)
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:06:33 GMT

Has anyone seen that movie ILLEGAL ENTRY?
From: dguerrer@lyra.cel.scg.hac.com (Dan Guerrero)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Clark AB and Captain Jim Kirk
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:32:55 GMT
Organization: not enough

>Once again, Mitchell Kotler writes 
>
>	[stuff about US bar scene]
>
>albert@xi.mathlab.sunysb.edu (Jose Ramon Albert) writes:
>    
>(2) Granted that the RP government shares the responsibility of this
>    social malady, it is very superficial to think that the RP government 
>    could have cracked down if it wanted to.   There is an economic interest
>    involved.  But, there is politics too.   You have to understand that
>    by and large, the Filipinos (being Asians) have a love for harmony in
>    contrast to the Westerners' priority and love for privacy.  
>    Since the US was (or should I say is?) the RP's colonial master, the
>    RP finds it very difficult to say no, even if principles are
>    involved.  Why do you think the debate over the US bases became
>    so heated? Further, most Filipinos are still very much pro-American.

I don't see your point about political interests and the correlation between
the Asians love of harmony and the Westerners' love of privacy.

Are you saying that since the Filipinos find it difficult to say no,
they would go ahead and let a situation fester just because their
priority is to get along with it.  

That's where my confusion is.  I just don't see your
point about bringing this up. I'm only pointing this out so you
can help me understand better.

Also, wasn't the debate over the bases because the RP wanted the US
out and the US wanted to retain control of them.  That would be a 
case of disharmony rather than harmony.  Evidently, the RP found a 
way to say no to a difficult situation.
--
Dan Guerrero : dguerrer@rigel.hac.com    Hughes Aircraft Co. Denver,CO
==========================================================================
The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the 
"social sciences" is: some do, some don't.  -Ernest Rutherford