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From: luoni@jasper.mlb.semi.harris.com (Perry Luoni)
Subject: Re: hats and carbonated beverages
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:12:58 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

>
>     It's strange, but people from Southern West Virginia are convinced
>they are southerner's.  Their college of choice is Virginia Tech, they
>go to Charlottesville for medical treatment and shopping in North Carolina
>is a weekend retreat.  Oh yeah, we/they sure do talk like 'em.
>Also, Beckley is rougly the same latitude as Norfolk.
>-- 

I never considered myself a southerner.  I'm from St. Albans, which is in
southern WV.  I thought WV'er considered themselves as neither northerners or
southerners but rather independant mountain people that are always free.
I've never been to Charlottesville, went to WVIT and Texas A&M and never 
shopped in NC on a weekend retreat.  We usually went to Cincinati for 
weekend retreats. I find a WV accent significantly different from a NC or SC
accent.  

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From: nestorm@fedc04.fed.ornl.gov
Subject: "A cold dope and a Moon Pie..."
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:59:28 GMT

I remember this! And I know people who consider this soul food. My mother,
who was either an early health nut or incurably cheap (probably both), never
let us kids have Moon Pies at all -- we got flat Coke, or sometimes ginger
ale, when we were "down with" whatever stomach virus was making the rounds.
Such a deprived childhood. [:-)]
Richard Hargrove is right about Moon Pies. Those of us in the know prefer
the Goo-Goo Cluster -- chocolate, peanuts, caramel, and marshmallow. No food
value whatsoever, but I have seen people scarf them down like there was no
tomorrow.

Bonnie
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From: andrey@cs.arizona.edu (Andrey K. Yeatts)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Co-cola, Peanuts & Pranks
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:41:28 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

In article <16B618BEF.SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU>, SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU writes:

|> Here's a new one! My daddy grew up on the Mississippi Delta.
|> One of his favorite pranks to play was to hook a piece of
|> string to someones house with a nail; stretch the string tight
|> and run a piece of resin up and down the string. Apparently, it
|> would send the resulting noise, something like a ghostly moan,
|> through the whole house, scaring the hell out of all inside. I
|> later heard the same story from a man who grew up in Savanah, GA
|>                                     Scott McMIllan

My grandpa Victor McGrady (born in 1909) built a similar gadget
with an hollow log, a hide of some kind, a piece twine and rosin. He called
it a "dumb bull" or sometimes a "dumb roarer." We lived in Patrick/Carroll/Floyd
counties in Virginia, though my grandpa was from a little further west (though
I can't recall what's west of Grayson Co. right now).

andrey

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From: mullens@jamsun.ic.ornl.gov (James A. Mullens)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Grief in outhouses across Appalachia
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:03:16 GMT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory

In article <fuhrman-260193172314@litmac13.epfl.ch>, fuhrman@litsun.epfl.ch (Cris Fuhrman) writes:
|> With the recent announcement that Sears will no longer continue its
|> catalogs, what steps are being taken to rectify this problem in Appalachia?
|> 
|> Will it have an impact?
|> 
|> ---------------------------------------
|>  Cris FUHRMAN, fuhrman@litsun.epfl.ch
|>  Laboratoire d'informatique technique
|>  EPFL-LIT, IN Ecublens, CH-1015 Lausanne, Switzerland

At Oak Ridge National Laboratory our paper is recycled into toilet paper
which we then use at the lab.  For whatever reasons phone books aren't
suitable for this recycling.  I don't think the Sears catalogue would be
either (because of the type of paper and the color pictures).

Being environmentally sound (:-) I proposed that we use the old telephone
books "as is" for toilet paper (Management hasn't responded).  But if any
environmentally-aware persons would like to volunteer to recycle these
phone books in their water-wasting toilets, I'll arrange to send them a
year's supply and they can help "rectify" this recycling problem themselves.
:-)

jim mullens
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From: richardh@convex.com (Richard Hargrove)
Subject: Re:  carbonated beverages
Summary: coke co-cola dope
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:18:25 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Keywords: coke co-cola dope carbonated beverages moon pie
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In article <16B5EA935.SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU> SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU writes:
>here has signs advertising the price of a "pop". This always makes
>me laugh, as being from Georgia, I know that carbonated drinks are
>generically referred to as "coke", "cola", or more properly "coca
>cola", (pronounced "co-cola"). Has anybody besides me ever heard of
>putting salted peanuts in a bottle of coke? Maybe it's just a
>north Gerogia thing.
>                                   Scott McMillan

Growing up in TN, we called soft drinks "coke" or "co-cola" also.  We also 
put peanuts in our cokes.  I think it was common all across the South.  
However, it's harder to do these days with cans.

We used the terms "pop" and "soda" derisively to castigate yankees.

Going back to the 1920's in GA, my father remembers when cokes  were called
"dopes", giving rise to one of my favorite southern colloquialisms, "a
cold dope and a Moon Pie."  When I lived in western NC in the 70's, I 
encountered a few people who knew this phrase.  At some time early in its
history, Coca-Cola is supposed to have contained cocaine, later replaced 
with caffiene.  I conjecture that this gave rise to the admonition, which 
still had a life of its own as late as the 60's, that you should never 
drink more than one coke a day.

Variation: in places where RC Cola is available, I've heard the colloquial
expression "ROC-Co-Cola."

IMO: avoid Moon Pies; they're ghastly.  Besides being unbelievably stale, 
there is far too much parafin in the coating, which the cold drink only 
solidifies further.  Ech.

Richard Hargrove
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From: LAID@VTCC1.CC.VT.EDU (Vinny the Cyberpunk)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Ramps
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:00:24 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Chemistry Department

In article <1k1an5INNblf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:
>From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
>Subject: Ramps
>Date: 25 Jan 93 18:15:01 GMT
>
>Isn't it ramp season soon? Being garlic lover I'd like to try 
>some...
>-- 
>Ted....

	Yep!  They won't be up real well until March though.  My folks
(Upshur Co. WV) have discovered that they begin to grow NOW.  If you know 
where a patch is, you can rake the leaves back enough to find the tops 
starting to pop up.  My folks harvested about a dozen plants last week and 
transplanted them to flower pots inside.  Mom says they are growing great.  
The poor things will never see February!  8-)  My folks crack me up.  
Everytime I think about it I imagine a roomful of flower pots with 100's 
of green ramp tops everywhere.  Scary thought.  Good luck with the ramp 
hunting.

				Vince Hamner

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From: mullens@jamsun.ic.ornl.gov (James A. Mullens)
Subject: Re: Melungeon
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:55:45 GMT

In article <1k1aukINNbnc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:
|> 
|> I know something about this sort of person who may be descendants
|> of the ill-fated Croatan colony. Any one know more about them
|> and/or the Lumbees? References?

I have been gathering some information about them.  This Sunday there will
be a lecture about them at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville (I'm
going).

Short summary of one recent theory:  The Moors (north Africans who conquered
Spain) were thrown out of Spain in the 1500's.  The Spanairds expelled them to
unlikely places like India and the New World.  The New World made their
way to upper east Tennessee; some may have also settled in other places.
When they were discovered by French and English explorers their origins
weren't made clear because of language problems.  (The name Melungeon may be
a corruption of a Portuguese word the Moors used to try to describe
themselves to the explorers, meaning roughly "we're brothers").  At least
one person of the time who was familiar with the Moors reported that the
Melungeons were Moors.

I have a few book and magazine references and I'd like to learn whatever
you have.

jim mullens
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From: SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Just what the hell is a yankee?
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:41:49 GMT

I think the term yankee is properly applied according to regional
or cultural heritage rather than what side your ancestors fought
on in the Civil War. The people in the western part of Virginia
were not supporters of secession, but culturally were much closer
to their neighbors in the mountain regions of Kentucky than the
people of most of the other states that fought on the side of the
North. All of the so-called Border States that sent troops to fight
in the Union as well as Confederate armies are southern states. They
just didn't secede. Yankee to me is anybody whose heritage places
them east of the Mississippi and north of the Ohio River, West
Virginia or Maryland. Missouri, I'm not sure how it goes there
but I'd be willing to say Missouri is a southern state, thus
not yankees. I wouldn't call a Californian a yankee, or anybody
from any of the pre-Civil War territories that are now states.
I guess it boils down to anyone from the antebellum 'free' states
is a yankee. Oh yeah, and according to an early southern writer,
a damn yankee is a yankee who won't stay there.
                                 Scott McMillan
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From: luoni@jasper.mlb.semi.harris.com (Perry Luoni)
Subject: Re: hats and carbonated beverages
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:28:32 GMT
Organization: Harris Semiconductor, Melbourne FL

In article <25JAN199312293827@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> afallen@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington) writes:
>> Has anybody besides me ever heard of
>>putting salted peanuts in a bottle of coke? Maybe it's just a
>>north Gerogia thing.
>>                                   Scott McMillan
>
>Down home (southern W.Va, Wyoning Co.) we call pop...pop ;-)  And yes, I 
>always put peanuts in my Coke!!!!  These poor yankees don't know what's 
                                               ^^^^^^^
>good.  I have even managed to convert my wife (native of Pittsburgh Pa.) 
>into a coke and peanuts lover.
So what is exactly the definition of a yankee?  I mean all of these WV people
talking as if they aren't yankees.   WV fought with the North during the
Civil War so that would make them (us, I'm from St. Albans WV) yankees 
wouldn't it.  Anyway Civil War seems like an oxymoron to me, how can
a war be civil?  And when southerners say that the south is going to
do it again what does that mean? Lose?

Anyway we called em cokes or pop or soda.  I remember all three.  Hell
I even remember the peanuts thing even though I didn't do it.
From: gmclucki@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gemma McLuckie)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: "A cold dope and a Moon Pie..."
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:22:27 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1993Jan26.085115.2071@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu write
s:
>I liked Moon Pies when I was a little kid, but I preferred Scooter Pies.  Now
I

Help me remember the difference between the two.  I was thinking about my 
Granny Brown, who used to sneak me into the kitchen and give me a pie. I think 
it was a Scooter Pie because I had never heard of a Moon Pie until the "Laverne
and Shirley" series.

Thanks,
Gemma McLuckie
From: ljhr@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: Just what the hell is a yankee?
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:24:22 GMT

In article <16B61CEAD.SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU>, SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU writes:
> I think the term yankee is properly applied according to regional
> or cultural heritage rather than what side your ancestors fought
> on in the Civil War. The people in the western part of Virginia
> were not supporters of secession, but culturally were much closer
> to their neighbors in the mountain regions of Kentucky than the
> people of most of the other states that fought on the side of the
> North. All of the so-called Border States that sent troops to fight
> in the Union as well as Confederate armies are southern states. They
> just didn't secede.

But there were troops fighting for the Union from most of the Confederate
States.  And there were soldiers from some of the Union states in the
Confederate Army.  One who comes to mind immediately is Col. William Crawford
Gorgas, a Pennsylvanian who joined the Confederate army after resigning his
commission in the US Army.  He was the highest ranking ordnance officer in the
US Army until he joined the Confederate Army.

> Yankee to me is anybody whose heritage places
> them east of the Mississippi and north of the Ohio River, West
> Virginia or Maryland. Missouri, I'm not sure how it goes there
> but I'd be willing to say Missouri is a southern state, thus
> not yankees. I wouldn't call a Californian a yankee, or anybody
> from any of the pre-Civil War territories that are now states.
> I guess it boils down to anyone from the antebellum 'free' states
> is a yankee.

But California was an antebellum free state.  It just was located far to the
west of the other states.

> Oh yeah, and according to an early southern writer,
> a damn yankee is a yankee who won't stay there.
>                                  Scott McMillan

A joke I've heard concerns a Texan's or Floridian's three worst nightmares. 
The first two are racial groups armed with guns and knives respectively.  The
third is a Yankee with a U-Haul.

Perhaps this thread is getting far afield from the spirit of alt.appalachian.
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
From: SMCMILLN@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject: Re: hats and carbonated beverages
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:01:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.155748.9858@cs.uwp.edu>
kent@cs.uwp.edu (Karen Kent) writes:
>
>I am from Wheeling, West Virginia.  We call knitted hats "toboggans",
> ( line deleted )          And, of course, we call a can of Pepsi a
>can of POP, unlike most of the rest of the world, it seems.  I now live
>in Wisconsin, and when I used to ask for "pop", people looked at me VERY
>strangely.  Now it seems that I've been midwesternized, because when I'm
>back in West Virginia, I ask for "soda" and get the same strange looks!
>
Realizing Chicago is different from the rest of the Midwest, I was
still surprised to hear from you that midwesterners call carbonated
drinks "soda" insted of "pop". Every convenience store I have seen
here has signs advertising the price of a "pop". This always makes
me laugh, as being from Georgia, I know that carbonated drinks are
generically referred to as "coke", "cola", or more properly "coca
cola", (pronounced "co-cola"). Has anybody besides me ever heard of
putting salted peanuts in a bottle of coke? Maybe it's just a
north Gerogia thing.
                                   Scott McMillan
From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Ramps
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:15:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Isn't it ramp season soon? Being garlic lover I'd like to try 
some...
-- 
Ted....
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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Sears Destroys Christmas!
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:46:06 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu


Pout, pout, pout!

Anyone care to tell me what Christmas will be like back in the hills
without the Sears Wish Book arriving just after Halloween?

It's too scary for me to even contemplate.  :-(

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From: jbjenkin@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jason B. Jenkins)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: name of knitted winter cap
Date: 22 Jan 93 05:51:03 GMT
Organization: Washington & Lee University
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: My question to the readers of alt.appalachian: Is this term familiar
: to you?

: -- Andrew Hansford
:    ahansfor@wpi.wpi.edu 

I guess I'll throw my "hat" into the ring on this thread :).

I'm from Montgomery (Fayette Co. WV) and have always heard the term.  I
just asked my roommate fome Chicago, and he had no idea what I was talking
about.

On a related subject, that has probably been discussed before, what do you
use to generically refer to carbonated cola soft drinks?  (pop, coke,
soda, etc?)
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From: michael@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (M. George Williams)
Subject: Re: Nice Drive
Keywords: crosses nationwide "Get right with God"
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:35:32 GMT

In article <pkteagarden.147@bobcat.lmc.edu> pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden) writes:
>
>
>>There are some in western North Carolina. I know of at least one set of
>>the three crosses in Transylvania County near the South Carolina border.
>>I think there is another set near Hendersonville, NC. They've been there
>>several years (at least 4). I read a newspaper article about the guy who
>>was responsible for placing the crosses there but I can't recall his name.
>>Anyway they were not put there by the KKK.
>
>>-Anita 

HOT DAWGIES!  I was just hoping that somebody from home would mention
them.  I'm from Horse Shoe, NC, a little community on US 64 between
Hendersonville and Brevard, and everytime that I went to the Du
Pont plant in Brevard (where my dad worked) then when I came back home I'd
see those crosses in Transylvania County just before crossing the county
line back into Henderson County (in Etowah, another little community next
to Horse Shoe).  I don't know who put those crosses there--I seem to
remember my mom telling me once, but I can't remember who did it.  At any
rate, it was certainly *NOT* the KKK as someone mentioned.

I was just thrilled to hear from somebody back home.  I'm down here in the
Triangle are at college, where it's just flat enough to make me miss the
mountains of home but just hilly enough to make walking everywhere a real
pain in the neck.  I love going home on break, etc. so that I can be back
in the mountains.  In fact, I'm going home this weekend!  

Thanks for mentioning home and brightening my pretty dull, dreary day!

Michael

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From: pkteagarden@bobcat.lmc.edu (Phil Teagarden)
Subject: Re: hats and carbonated beverages
Organization: Lees-McRae College, Banner Elk, NC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:58:19 GMT


  deleted material...

>... Every convenience store I have seen
>here has signs advertising the price of a "pop". This always makes
>me laugh, as being from Georgia, I know that carbonated drinks are
>generically referred to as "coke", "cola", or more properly "coca
>cola", (pronounced "co-cola"). Has anybody besides me ever heard of
>putting salted peanuts in a bottle of coke? Maybe it's just a
>north Gerogia thing.
>                                   Scott McMillan

    Yep!  Used to do it all the time.  (In Tallahassee, Fla.)  There's 
nothing quite like that flavor...ummm!  It's been a few years (25) since 
I've done it.  Believe I'll go back some day (soon) and do it again!

 --Phil Teagarden
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From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: hats and carbonated beverages
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:16:36 GMT

luoni@jasper.mlb.semi.harris.com (Perry Luoni) writes:

.............  I thought WV'er considered themselves as neither northerners or
>southerners but rather independant mountain people that are always free......

I have the same impression.

Looking back in my family liniage, I found a lot of people who were 
Southern sympathizers but no one was fighting in the WBTS.  One direct 
decendant found time to father 2 children in 1862-1865 (I knew the 
phrase "Make love not war" was a 60's thing but....).

I suspect the Southern sympathy had to do with freedom rather than loyalty.

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From: michael@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (M. George Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: hats and carbonated beverages
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:39:40 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1993Jan22.155748.9858@cs.uwp.edu> kent@cs.uwp.edu (Karen Kent) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.055103.18591@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> jbjenkin@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jason B. Jenkins) writes:
>>
>>On a related subject, that has probably been discussed before, what do you
>>use to generically refer to carbonated cola soft drinks?  (pop, coke,
>>soda, etc?)

I, being from Western North Carolina, have always called it a "coke"
because that was all my parents drank.  For us, "coke" could refer to any
carbonated drink, so when I offered friends a "coke" and they accepted, I
would always have to ask, "What kind?  A Sprite, Fresca, Coke, etc.?"

Just my $0.02,

Michael
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