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From: slwmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien=Scotty?
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:56:46 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <93011.163440WRB4@psuvm.psu.edu>, Wendell Bates <WRB4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1iq7qoINNjfh@lester.appstate.edu>, BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny
> Barnes  ) says:
>>
>>This is just MHO, but Miles O'Brien on DS9 to me could be the next Montgomery
>>Scott.  Although the accent's not quite the same (Irish vs. Scottish).
>>
>>Or, consider this: a COMBO of Scotty and Geordi?
>>
>>(Go ahead, groan,comment,flame,bitch,gripe,laugh,cry,do whatever, but I'd like
>>some feedback on this one.)
> 
>   Yeah, it seems as though we're going to have another ethnic engineer/ops/re-
> pairman/miracle-worker.  Star Trek seems to be good for that.  Can anyone re-
> call seeing an Anglo-Saxon-type white male (e.g. Riker, Kirk, any TOS security
> guards, etc.) as an engineer in ANY ship of the Star Trek universe (TOS, TAS,
> TNG, DS9, the movies, books)???
> 
>   Also, this brings up another point.  Does anyone notice that humanity in the
> future must be (a) pretty advanced mentally; or (b) super-smart?  I say that
> because it seems that just about every officer on a starship (except Troi &
> Crusher) knows how everything works.  I mean, I can understand that a captain
> and first officer should know something about everything, but O'BRIAN???
> C'mon!!!  The guy is a transporter chief, who happened to have been a tactical
> officer in his past (what did he do to foul that up??) and is now the Chief of
> Operations on a Cardassian-built space station.  Not just general knowledge
> either, but he knows how to fix and cross-circuit systems in emergencies (some-
> things that some specialists wouldn't know how to do.  For examples, see
> TNG: Disaster or DS9: The Emissary).  Also, Geordi.  He went from helmsman (or
> was it ops) to being CHIEF ENGINEER?!?!?  Damn, if I had gone to the Academy
> for engineering and was a junior engineer aboard the Big-E and then told that
> my new Chief was going to be the former helmsman, I'd pull a Ben Finney. ;-)
> 
> Just my ramblings.  Comments anyone..>

While I was in the Navy I was stationed aboard Subs.  Even though I was just
the ships personnelman, my duties included being the helmsman and having to
learn everything about every system aboard the submarine that I was stationed
on. I had to know how to bypass items and where all the cutoff valves were.  
I can see where the same principal would be employed in Starships being that an
emergency may come up and you are the only one in the area at the time that
could facilitate repairs or bypass the affected system.

Peter Wood    SLWMZ at CC.USU.EDU






                                
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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: 14 Re: What did they do to the video? (was Re: ST: VII ... It's Official!)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:04:27 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

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>In article <abick.726252270@cunews>
>abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
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>>I haven't seen the video but I was considering buying it when it
>>goes down in price. What did they change from the movie that "ruined" it?
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>seems to be good, the third may change the intentions of the movie.
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>Sarek, the Klingon ambassador and the Romulan ambassador.  The Klingon

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>   The third scene, however, changes much of the movie.  The Klingon assassin
>is shot by Scotty and falls.  Col. Worf, looking at the body, observes that
>the asssassin's blood is not Klingon blood.  They find that the Klingon is
>actually Col. West in disguise.  This last scene may destroy the movie for
>some, since the whole idea behind this conspiracy was that elements of all
>three races (Feds, Klingons and Romulans) were equally responsible, but this
>scene gives the impression that the Fed rogues had a much bigger role than
>the others.
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Here's something else I missed.  As I recall, in the theatrical version,
Admiral Cartwright tries to make his escape and is cut off by Uhura with
phaser in hand.  In the video release, you see Cartwright sweating, but
then he is never apprehended.  Is this change made to make him "innocent"?
It seems to change the meaning of things for me, because in the theatrical
release he sent Kirk so as to validate the "incident".  If he is innocent,
why was he so insistant on Kirk going?

                                            -=Road Warrior=-

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From: mhull@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr Mj Hull)
Subject: STARTREK IS BUGGARED
Organization: Monash University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:24:18 GMT

I HATE STAR TREK!! ALL TREKKERS ARE LOOSERS AND SHOULD BE CASTRATED!! GET A LIFE
LOOSERS!!!!! IT IS SO FUCKING BORING AND PICARD HAS A HEAD LIKE A DICK!!!!
WESLLEY IS THE BEST IN THE SHOW AND EVEN HES A BIT OF A FAGGET!!! LIKE ALL
YOU TREKKERS!!!!

MEPHISTO

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From: antkasx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ken A. Sturrock)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:30:28 GMT

pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo) writes:


PM> (I have no joke here, i just wanted to lean forward and
PM> on international TV say "I'm out of ammunition on that one, guys")

Have you guys checked the "Newsgroups" line y'all are posting to lately?
(Don't look here...it's been edited)

						-ks

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From: hoyes@rock.concert.net (Michael E Hoyes -- Personal Account)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Relics Edited on repeat, local or national?!
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:07:12 GMT
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX

In article <72845@cup.portal.com> Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com writes:
>An eagle-eyed (or eared) friend spotted something in the repeat showing
>of the "Relics" episode on our local station in Phoenix this weekend.  
>In the final scene, there is the following dialogue:
>
>Riker: "She's not much to look at..."
>
>Scottie: "Laddie, every woman has her own charm, you just have to know
>where to look for it."
>
>laForge: "She's a little slow..."
>
>In the repeat showing on our local station, it cuts from Riker to LaForge,
>deleting Scottie's line completely!
>
>Can anyone check a tape of the repeat airing to see whether this line was
>in the national feed.  Either our local station or Paramount has cut this
>line.  If anyone can verify what was sent out nationally (or aired 
>elsewhere), please post the info.

The show just aired tonight (I finished watching it then saw this message). 
The line in question had not been removed from the rerun that I saw.  Sounds
like your local station trying to get more comercial time :)

Mike Hoyes
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From: il@bambam.u.washington.edu (Il Hwan Oh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Fox and DS9?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:20:18 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Tacoma
Distribution: world
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ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239) writes:
> As far as I can tell, as of now no fox stations in my area are carrying DS9
> here in Baltimore...Only an Independant station and a Washington channel are
> carrying it. Not that I'm complaining, but since the fox stations are carrying
> the normal ST:TNG why not the DS9 as well?

ST:TNG is not carried by the Fox network.  It is, however, is carried by
some Fox stations.  It's a syndicated show, and whether a station carries
it independent of its network affiliation.  ST:DS9 is also a syndicated
show.  It's possible that a station that carries ST:TNG couldn't free up a
timeslot or wouldn't want to carry ST:DS9.

-- 
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From: rsmith@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Trill problems (was: Lurking Plot Complications)
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:09:52 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1993Jan6.224632.14322@leland.Stanford.EDU>, trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) writes:
> If you remember, in the TNG episode
> with trill, the reason he didn't want to be transported was because he was
> hurt, and in this *weakened* condition, transport would be harmful to the 
> worm.  I don't think it hurts the worm if you transport when they are in 
> good health.

In "The Host," Odan refuses to be transported even BEFORE he's injured,
although he doesn't say why, except that he prefers not to use the thing
(rather like McCoy, though more diplomatic in his objections).  After the
host body died, Crusher stated that transport would kill the "parasite."
No mention was made here of transport being harmful AFTER INJURY; it was
just plain harmful.  Also, I got the distinct impression that Odan wasn't
injured, just his host body, although there's no dialog directly addressing
this issue.

Of course, the DS9 producers COULD just say that Odan was so transporter
phobic that he made everything up.  :-)  If so, he and Barclay should go
into therapy together or form a support group or something!  :-)

I also couldn't help but notice that in "The Host," both Trills we saw had
TNG Forehead Ridges (tm), but those are replaced by DS9 Neck Freckles (tm)
in DS9.  Methinks somebody got a bit confused in the makeup department.

					--Rod Smith
					  RSMITH@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sunday, 10 Jan 1993 13:13:05 MST
From: <AUTSW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject:    Promo Tape for B5/DS9

Please, no more requests for the DS9/B5 tape. I have about 50 requests at this
time, and cannot possibly take any more.  So don't bother emailing me any
more on the subject :-)
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DAX in Starfleet?!?
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:57:21 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <cogar-120193083836@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil> cogar@cogarmac.nswc.navy.mil (John R Cogar) writes:
>I may have missed the conversation on this but...
>
>1. How did a Trill get into Starfleet?  A 200 yr old LT?  I don't know
>about that.  How did it pass transporter class at the academy? (The
>question of the transporter and the Trill has been discussed.)
>
>2. Furthermore, where does LT. Dax get off calling COMMANDER Sisco by his
>first name in an official (i.e. not alone) situation?  
>
>I know they are old friends, but when was the last time you heard Worf call
>Riker "Will"?  Even Troi sticks with "COMMANDER" when she and Riker are not
>alone, and they go way back.
>
>They need to clear these two things up before I'll feel comfortable with
>the Dax character.  

	Actually, the questions kind of answer themselves.  How did Dax get
into StarFleet - a 200 year old Lt. who can't use the transporter?  Simple -
it's 200 years old and acknowledgedly brilliant (WARNING:  ASSUMPTION!!).  It's
the same reason she calls Cisko by first name.  In cases like that, rules can
get bent.  If Dax met Cisko before she entered starfleet - who knows, that may
have been the host body's decision rather than the slug's - there might be a
slight relaxing of the rules.  And we don't know Cisko didn't remind her
offscreen that he was in command.

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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: People who like Kira
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:41:58 GMT

From article <1993Jan12.180300.8337@newshub.ccs.yorku.ca>, by wc9583@writer.yorku.ca (J.Marc Chabot):
> The one comment that seems to come up again and again about her
> performance was that she "overacted" the "freedom fighter bit".  I
> have to disagree.  I have personally known active members of three
> separate liberation movements (the IRA, PLO and FLQ) and let me tell
> you, they often tend to act like that.  They are dedicated to a cause
> and they are pretty vocal about it!

	I agree on this point as well.  Maybe my upbringing of watching
and enjoying 80's shows and movies somehow stunts the "typical" view of
what is an isn't good acting, but I do know what I like.  IMHO, the acting
and charactirization of every major member of DS9 is superb, especially
when comparing to some of the jilted, boring hacks we see in other shows
(I almost resisted the urge to not put down TNG, but I have an example :
Worf.  Klingon?  Ready for battle security chief?  Always ready to fire? 
WHO THE HELL FIRED AT A FERENGI IN _RASCALS_ AND ***MISSED***?). 

	Nana/Kira overacting?  I'm sorry, I don't see it.  What I do see is
an intensely charasmatic character that I want to see more of in action
(physical attributes non-withstanding ;)

 TTYL
 Chris
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: rec.arts.startrek.review?
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:47:39 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1its73INNij0@spud.Hyperion.COM> koreth@spud.Hyperion.COM (Steven Grimm) writes:
>I would vote for rec.arts.startrek.reviews.  The episode reviews are the
>main reason I read r.a.s.c. now.  Ideally, it would be a moderated group
>to prevent people from holding discussions there (followups would be
>directed to rec.arts.startrek.current, presumably).  To keep things timely,
>regular reviewers might be given permission by the moderator to post their
>reviews directly, the same way rec.arts.startrek.info handles Tim Lynch's
>synopses.  This can be done in any of several ways depending on how much
>control the moderator wants to retain.

I was marginally in favor of rec.arts.startrek.reviews back when The Big Split
was being discussed (it was the only group that seemed to serve any useful
purpose to me), but with the explosion of reviews recently, I think it would
be a good idea.  (Now don't everyone faint at once! :-)

I would even be willing to volunteer for moderator, unless someone else wants
the job.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				  rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI

"My favorite Star Trek With Jean-Luc episode is the one where some alien
 kills another in the first five minutes and then the crew debates for the
 next 55 minutes about what to do.  My favorite Star Trek With Captain Kirk
 is the same as anyone else's, the one where Kirk, overacting, falls in
 love with a beautiful alien babe, which Spock calls illogical, and where a
 bunch of security guys die.  You know the one?"
							- A friend
From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 13:07:12 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: phlan.sw.stratus.com

[I refuse to call this a spoiler!]

At one point (last few minutes) in the 2-hour premiere, Sisko hails the
station as "DS9".


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From: fleming@cup.portal.com (Stephen R Fleming)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Runabouts
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 10:32:38 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

> Yancy

I assume that's the Yangtze river in China.

How come Starfleet stuff is so rarely named after people/places/
things from NON-human worlds, eh?
.
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From: jackson@ess43.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Jackson)
Subject: Re: Just a note about Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
Reply-To: jackson@ess43.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Jackson)
Organization: Applicon
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:01:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan05.123737.33069@watson.ibm.com>, annie@whoville.manassas.ibm.com () writes:
|> In article <2935214186.0.p00169@psilink.com> p00169@psilink.com (Jeffrey W. Dean) writes:
|> >
|> >is just me or do you have the urge to say Deep Six Nine?) will be on 
|> 
|> One of my co-workers consistently calls it Deep Throat Nine :-)
|> 
|> -- 


   My wife and I have been calling it "Deep Six Nine" for some time now.
   The other day I heard someone refer to it as "Deep Sh** Nine", which
   is probably a more accurate representation of their situation, with
   the Cardassians hanging just outside their front door.

   BTW, watched the episode Monday night.  My opinion below (**SPOILER**)


   I give it a B+.  An A without all that "cosmic" stuff.  Why does every
   Star Trek series have to go "cosmic" now and then? The story line was
   more than enough to keep my interest without another 'humanity on trial'
   bit.

   Oh yeah, and someone give Dr. Hero a personality.  Quick.


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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 03:14:34 GMT

Good point. I *have* to start watching that more closely...

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		KEEPER OF THE TIDE
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From: destill@mtu.edu (Still)
Subject: Re: Cloaking now obsolete due to gas anomaly tracking equipment
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:01:31 GMT

sg0d@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN R. GILBERT) writes:
>Or at least it should be.
>
>I just rented ST6:TUC (which I had seen in the theatre a while back,
>but this didn't occur to me then due to the fact that I was
>overwhelmed by the big screen experience of the whole thing) and found
>myself pondering yet another ST inconsistency.
>
>If "gas anomaly monitoring equipment" was used as a mod to a
>photon torpedo back in the time of ST6, then why was this great idea
>(which was a joint idea between Spock and Uhura, in case you forgot) not
>implemented as a standard weapon by Star Fleet and used from that time
>right up to the present (TNG/DS9) as a defense against all cloaked
>adversaries, not just ones that can fire while cloaked?  Which 
	Good question.  My guess is that since ST:TNG came out
before ST:TUC, the writers couldn't implement it since THEY didn't know
it existed
>							  Which leads
>to yet another question: If the one warbird that could fire while
>cloaked that the Klingons had produced was destroyed by this
>nearly-believable photon, is it feasible to believe the Klingons did
>not have the capability to make more? 
	In the movie, they explained that this was a prototype, one-of-
a-kind ship.  Apparently, the engineers (Klingon engineers?  Strange
thought) made some modifications while building it that weren't on the
original blue-prints.  Jury-rigged or something.
>					Which leads to a third question:
>Didn't Scotty get ahold of a cloaking device way back in the late 60's
>and rig it to work with the shields or the warp drive or something?
>Even if he didn't (which he did), is it beyond the greatest
>technological minds in Star Fleet to create a cloaking device, or even
>an anti-cloaking device? If this is beyond them, then since the
>Federation is now buddy-buddy with the Klingons, considering Captain
>Picard settled a civil war, just to give one example, then why has
>Star Fleet not been able to obtain this technology through any means?
	This is a very old debate.  The general concensus goes something
like this: the Federation is not a war-like organization.  If they went
around with cloaking device, people would think they might disappear and
attack them at any time.  In other words, they have the technology, they
just choose not to use it.
> [unnecessary stuff deleted to save space in an already lengthy post]
>Steve Gilbert
>sg0d@Lehigh.edu or sg0d@saturn.eecs.lehigh.edu
>Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA
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From: zweers@csd.uwo.ca (Erik Zweers)
Subject: Re: Command Order Question:
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:47:18 GMT

In article <93011.154523WRB4@psuvm.psu.edu> Wendell Bates <WRB4@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <AfIC4wO00iV183B6t6@andrew.cmu.edu>, msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu (Maulik
>Harish Shah) says:
>  Just watched that last night myself.  For some reason, Kirk took a temporary
>grade reduction from Admiral to Captain.  For the same unknown reason, he de-
>moted Will Decker to Commander  I guess "back then" they couldn't have two
>acting Captains on the ship. (Probably confuse the computer!) ;-))  Could you
>imagine...
>
>  Spock:  Computer, who is in command of this vessel?
>
>  Computer:  This vessel is under the command of Captain James T. Kirk...er, uh
>             Captain William Decker????  Sorry MISTER Spock, but neither of
>             them has shook me down yet...  ;-))
>
	That really doesn't seem true, was Spock not the Captain of the
	Enterprise on ST:TUC?  I remember a discussion between Kirk and Spock
	about who should be in command.  (please correct me if I'm wrong)

	I thought that a ship could have both an admiral and captain aboard.
	The captain would run the ship and the admiral would get involved
	only when it would be require.  Granted, what Kirk did in ST:TMP
	definatly surpassed this, I thinks it pretty safe to say that an
	Admiral could take command of a ship at any time (in CoC, didn't the
	admiral (whoever??) inform Picard that she was taking command of the
	Enterprise?

							Erik.