HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jgg@fc.sde.hp.com (Jay Geertsen)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: tin flame
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:54:36 GMT
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Reply-To: jgg@fc.sde.hp.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpfcjgg.sde.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

> Earlier this evening I compiled and installed tin 1.1 PL8, having gone
> through the CHANGES document and determined to my satisfaction that
> the greatest difference between it and PL7 was the elm-style
> "mini-menu."  No sooner had I installed it, however, than I started
> receiving complaints from my users about key settings changing,
> specifically "t" and "T".
> 
> There it is, listed in CHANGES, but buried in between the rest of the
> fixes in declarations and platform idiosyncrasies.  Furthermore, it's
> listed as a "bug," when it seems nothing more than a change from
> behavior that Iain didn't like.  First "f" and "F" get swapped, and
> now this.  Does anyone actually want changes like these made?  Or are
> they subject simply to every whim that strikes Iain's fancy?

> I've decided that here I will not install future patches to tin unless
> they take the package to a new version number, such as 2.0 (and
> perhaps not even then) or fix major problems that people are
> experiencing.  The changes are simply too erratic and unpredictable to
> loose on my users every few weeks without warning.

Gosh, you're _so_ perceptive, Tim!  How insightful of you to recognize
that Iain simply woke up one morning and said to himself: "I think I'll
screw over the users of Tin for no good reason whatsoever."  I'd
certainly be flattered by such an assumption made about my character and
professionalism.  It certainly was rude of him to give advance notice of
only several months that the changes to which you refer were coming.  In
the future, if he doesn't give you a personal phone call to advise you
of them, I'd have him shot.  After all, it's not reasonable to take
responsibility _yourself_ for your oversights and rudeness, is it?

Having had numerous exchanges with Iain and being convinced of his
desire to please the users of Tin, your posting comes off to me as just
so much hot air.  That said, let me summarize how your posting comes
across to me:

"In spite of the fact that Iain constantly solicits feedback on Tin and
personally responds to suggestions and comments about it in a timely
manner, I got screwed by not reading the release notes about a change
that he had publicized for months, so I thought I'd just whine in a
public forum in an attempt to embarass Iain instead of contacting him
privately so as to give him a chance to respond to my concerns
personally before I vented my spleen."

- Jay "Shoot first, ask questions later-right?" Geertsen
From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Compressed batches over slip
Date: 15 Dec 1992 08:25:06 GMT
Organization: Her Master's Voice
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au
NNTP-Posting-Host: britt.pax.tpa.com.au


I am after some advice on how best to configure a news feed running
inn 1.2 at both ends over several intervening slip links. In order
to improve bandwidth I want to swap from the current very simple
article by article scheme using innxmit to something with compression,
but no-one is keen to configure uucp.

Any suggestions ?

david

Lines: 18
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 13:18:11 MST
From: gritton@alaska.et.byu.edu (Jamie Gritton)
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.misc
Subject: Re: Are Message-IDs case significant ?
Reply-To: gritton@byu.edu

henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:

> The whole concept of message IDs is borrowed from RFC 822, so its rules
> apply in the absence of any overrides in 1036.

> ...

> There are some 822 constructs which would cause exceptions to this, but
> they are extremely rare, and I know of no existing news system which
> attempts to implement them.

Will the son-of-Usenet RFC provide a precise and easily read spec of
the Message-ID? Then we could point to an official source.

Which reminds me, could you tell the rest of us how that's coming
along? Is there a draft paper available?
--
James Gritton - gritton@byu.edu - I disclaim
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.software.readers,comp.infosystems.wais
From: lwj@cs.kun.nl (Luc Rooijakkers)
Subject: Re: XOVERVIEW - NNTP extensions to get .overview files
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:46:18 GMT

In <1gbpq4INNsav@nigel.msen.com> emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) writes:

>I've seen two designs for 'XOVERVIEW' - one is 
>	XOVERVIEW news.group
>and the other is
>	XOVERVIEW first-last
>(which assumes you've already issued a GROUP command).

Wouldn't this be *very* dependent on the specific layout of the
nov database? Also, usually you don't need all of the headers that
are in nov. A design like
	
	XOVERVIEW first-last header header ...

which would send back only those headers would be better, IMHO.

(This is what I like least about nov: the headers and their order in the
database are fixed for now and ever. I would like it much more if nov
software would read /usr/lib/news/overview, say, to find out what
headers are in the local database.) 

E.g. `XOVERVIEW first-last Number' would be like the LISTGROUP command
some people have implemented for nn. Or you could use

	XOVERVIEW first-last Number Lines Subject

and so on. But the nicest application is

	XOVERVIEW first-last Number Content-Type

because it allows a newsreader to automatically split digests and merge
parts of a message (provided it supports MIME, of course :-)

>If I had my druthers I'd pick the second since it would work much
>better to deal with big groups over slow lines, where a misplaced
>XOVERVIEW might cause many thousands of bytes of data to come
>streaming down the wire.

I agree, also because XOVERVIEW is a reader command, so it should
fit in with the rest of the reader commands.

--
Luc Rooijakkers                                 Internet: lwj@cs.kun.nl
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science     UUCP: uunet!cs.kun.nl!lwj
University of Nijmegen, the Netherlands         tel. +3180652271
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,comp.unix.aix
From: jerry@austin.ibm.com (Jerry Heyman)
Subject: Re: NNTP & AIX 3.2
Originator: jerry@dcheney.austin.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:33:50 GMT
Reply-To: jerry@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM AIX AWSD Austin, TX


In article <Bz8rCt.ABt@vtm.be>, gerrit@vtm.be writes:
|> Hi there,
|> 
|> I've been trying to get NNTP (version 1.5.11) running on an IBM RS/6000 with
|> no luck. The nntpd seems to be running fine :
|> 201 vtm NNTP[auth] server version 1.5.11 (10 February 1991) ready at Mon Dec
|> 14 09:43:30 1992 (no posting).
|> 
|> But I can not get any connection from another host ( a mac running some
|> different news readers) which make use of the nntp protocol. I suppose there
|> are two possibilities : or the Mac software is running correct or nntp is
|> making a fuzz... As I am using different packages to test the connection and I
|> suppose someone is using these software programs without any problems, I
|> strongly believe that it is the nntp which is giving me a nogo!!!
|> 
|> Has anybody sucessfully installed nntp on a rs6k machine ???
|> -- 

I'm responding to via Cnews (May 1992 Perf Release running on top of NNTP
1.5.11) running on AIX v3.2.  I guess this proves that it can be done :-)

As for your exact problem.  Are you sure that the NNTP software configuration
files (/usr/lib/news/nntp_access) are configured correctly?  When we were 
setting up, we found that we hadn't set the entry correct in the nntp_access 
file.  We needed to have the connecting machine have both 'xfer' and 'post'
before information would flow freely.

I think that this discussion should be continued either on news.software.nntp
or by e-mail (jerry@austin.ibm.com)

> Gerrit Cap						 {gerrit@vtm.be}

jerry
-- 
Jerry Heyman                         e-mail   : jerry@austin.ibm.com
IBM AWSD AIX Dev Env Tools MS 9631    "Software is the difference between
Austin, TX  78758                        hardware and reality"
*** All opinions expressed are exactly that - my opinions and NOT IBM's
From: wainner@Pt.hq.af.mil (Scott Wainner)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: NNTP on NeXT 3.0 Error in system call
Summary: Error in system call
Keywords: nntp, next
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:54:34 GMT
Organization: Headquarters Air Force, The Pentagon Washington, DC


	Seeking help on building nntp.1.5.11 on NeXTStep 3.0:

	We've defined the build for BSD43 according to the READMEs
	and all works except the posting.  We get an error stating
	that the server is out of space.  We tracked the problem
	down to a call in misc.c which wants to include <sys/fs.h>
	which doesn't exist.  We have a <ufs/fs.h> and a <sys/vfs.h>
	neither of which works.  Any one built nntp for the NeXT and
	knows what fs we need to include and the DEV_BSIZE?

	Scott Wainner
		TASC
		swainner@tasc.com
From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Which program among cnews and nntp server puts the header at article ?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 15:01:19 -0000
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1992Dec17.024711.6893@news.snu.ac.kr> goh@sun330.snu.ac.kr (Goh Ok-Hee) writes:
> We run news with cnews and nntp version 1.5.11.
> The article posted in our system has not lines number(ex: Lines:) among header.
> and it's date( ex : Date:) specifies time in the TZ of GMT.
> I need to replace time with time of localtime and
> append lines number of article.
> Which program among cnews and nntp server puts the header at article ?

It's the Cnews inews program.
There's some commented out code in the source to add the Lines: header.

You don't want to put the local time in the article - it should be GMT.
It's up to your newsreader to translate it to local time if you want it to.

Cheers,
-- 
\/ato - Ian Dickinson - NIC handle: ID17                   No-one is to molest
vato@csv.warwick.ac.uk  ...!mcsun!uknet!warwick!vato           the wombat when
/I=I/S=Dickinson/OU=CSV/O=Warwick/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/            anyone is
@c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson  watching.
From: ericb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Furry Logic)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: INN newsfeed type questions...
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:59:11 GMT


  I'm fairly new to news system software (and I've taken on our campus
usenet server [what better way to learn?]). I started out with the latest
and greatest Cnews NNTP software then found INN (and was saved :)  ). But
I have some questions on the types of newsfeeds (ie, funnel, channel, etc...).
I'm not clear exactly what they entail; the manual speaks of how to set it
up and get it going, but not when each type is appropriate. My server will
be transmitting articles over the net and will be feeding some UUCP sites.
Could someone give me a brief rundown of the newsfeed types used by INN?
Thanx.

-e.b.

(Please e-mail a response as well, as our current usenet server is very
kludgy and backlogged (Bnews)).

  Eric Berggren             |  "Sometimes I think the surest sign that
  Computer Science/Eng.     |   intelligent life exists elsewhere in the
  Computer Action Team      |   Universe is that none of it has tried to
  ericb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu    |   contact us."        -- Bill Watterson
Xref: sparky news.software.nntp:1683 news.misc:2050
From: hoey@zogwarg.etl.army.mil (Dan Hoey)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.misc
Subject: Found Humor (was Re: Are Message-IDs case significant ?)
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:59:38 GMT
Followup-To: news.software.nntp
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC

In article <Bz47KF.AJ8@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:

HS: In article <vl#@byu.edu> gritton@byu.edu writes:
HS: >> There are some 822 constructs which would cause exceptions to this, but
HS: >> they are extremely rare, and I know of no existing news system which
HS: >> attempts to implement them.

[I omit the rest of Henry's message -- DH]

First, for people who aren't accustomed to parsing brockets, I should
point out that the quoted text appears to be Henry Spencer's own (from
article <Bz3svA.3CG@zoo.toronto.edu>, in case anyone cares.)

And second, I can't help expressing my awe at the statement, perhaps
the most amusingly amazing quotation out of context that I have ever
seen on Usenet.  It ought to win an award.  On closer examination, I
found that Henry was referring to _RFC_ 822.

Dan
Hoey@AIC.NRL.Navy.Mil
From: jeff@redact.uucp (Jeff Parker)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Problems getting article by msg-id
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:30:11 GMT
Organization: Racal-Redac Systems Ltd., Tewkesbury, UK

I have come across a problem using the 'article' command to get articles 
from my nntp server which have any uppercase after the '@' in the msg-id.

E.g.
    newnews comp.sys.mac.digest 921217 000000
gives the following output
    230 New news by message id follows
    <9212160113.AA18415@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU>
    .
If I then issue
    article <9212160113.AA18415@SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU>
the server comes back with
    430 No article by message-id <9212160113.AA18415@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>

I have traced the problem down to the gethistent function in server/misc.c.
It appears to convert the string after the '@' to lowercase, then use this
to search in the history file.

A strings of the history file shows that the message-id is in there but with
the case preserved.  The article also can be found in comp/sys/mac/digest.
Also, if I do a "group comp.sys.mac.digest" and then do an "article num" I
get the article.

I am using nntp1.5.11, have CNEWS and NDBM defined.  XHDR is not defined.
What is going on?  What is the solution?

Best regards,

Jeff

Jeff Parker				jeff@redact.uucp
Customer Services			Tel: +44 (684) 294161 x338
Racal-Redac Group Ltd.			Fax: +44 (684) 299754
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
From: stud02@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Kris Van Hees)
Distribution: world
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 14:09:04 +01
Reply-To: stud02@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be
Organization: K.U.Leuven - Academic Computing Center
Subject: Re: User authentication

Hello,

I have implemented a slightly extended version of user authentication and
access restriction in the VM NNTP server I wrote.  It uses the unofficial
AUTHINFO command which I found in the NNTP 1.5.11 sources.  The system is
like this:

  - When a new connection reaches the server, an ACCESS file is checked to
    see whether connections from this site are allowed.  If they are, the
    server takes some info from the ACCESS file and sets up user access
    permissions.  These permissions are include/exclude statements for
    various hierarchies and groups, both for reading and posting.  E.g. a
    line in the ACCESS file:

	134.58.*.*:!private.*:!courses.*,courses.question

    This means that connections from sites whose ip-address matches 134.58.*.*
    will not be allowed to read articles in the 'private' hierarchy, en they
    will not be allowed to post in the 'courses' hierarchy, expect for the
    group courses.questions.

  - If the connection issues an IHAVE command, the server will check entries in
    the FEEDS file which lists which sites are to be allowed as feeding sites.
    One can specify for each possible feed site a userid-password pair which
    has to be send with AUTHINFO USER and AUTHINFO PASS commands in order to
    authenticate the feed.  One can also specify a name for the feed, as to
    make logfiles more readable.  E.g. a line in the FEEDS file:

	134.58.20.1:userid:password:Vm-xmit

  - If a connection sends an AUTHINFO USER command, the server will check a
    AUTH file for entries which match the ip-address and the userid specified.
    If the AUTHINFO PASS command specifies the correct password for the given
    ip-address-userid combination, the user will be authenticated and the
    server will update the access permissions which are listed in this file
    in a way like the ACCESS file mentioned above.

This scheme allows for private newsgroups, read-only newsgroups and access
control on hierarchies, sub-hierarchies and newsgroups.  Our local policy
if however not to limited access like this, but on request of other sites I
implemented this system.  Of course, if the NNTP V.2 RFC would ever get
accepted (which does not look very likely in the current situation, with the
discussion group completely quiet), that would be the best system to use as
it should be (more or less) the standard.

Maybe we can have some comments on all this from Stan Barber?  How is NNTP
1.6 getting along, and how does it implement user authentication?

Regards,
Kris Van Hees
--
Kris Van Hees -- Developer of the VM NNTP server
Email: gutest6@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be -or- stud02@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be
From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: [INN 1.2] NEWNEWS Problems, connection closes midway
Date: 19 Dec 1992 16:22:05 +0100
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1

In news.software.nntp, article <1gr0ijINN87k@news.cerf.net>,
  pushp@nic.cerf.net (Pushpendra Mohta) writes:
> 
> I did a little more work and here is what doing this from the "stdin"
> host shows:
> Does this indicate a corrupted hostory file ?
> If so is there any way to fix it short of remaking history ?
> 
Possibly. History will be rebuilt when expire runs so that shouldn't be the
problem.
> 
> Script started on Thu Dec 17 14:44:55 1992
> news# /usr/local/etc/in.nnrpd
> 200 news.cerf.net InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.2 10-Sep-92 ready (posting ok).
> NEWNEWS rec.motorcycles 921216 215111 GMT
> 230 New news follows
> <1992Dec16.215529.27405@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
> [...]
> <1992Dec17.023356.19391@eos.arc.nasa.gov>
> <ZOWIE.92Dec16195422@daedalus.stanford.edu>
> Segmentation fault

Run "gdb nnrpd", say "dir /src/inn/nnrpd /src/inn/lib" and "run", then
"NEWNEWS ...". At the segfault, "where" should print a stack backtrace,
"frame 0" and "list" show the area where the error occurred.
Leave the crashed nnrpd in a background window, send mail with the gdb
output to inn-gurus@uunet.uu.net, wait a few minutes/hours until requests
for further information come back. ;-)

gdb is available from lots of FTP servers if you need it.

-- 
All snakes who wish to remain in Ireland will please raise their right hands.
                                        -- Saint Patrick
-- 
Matthias Urlichs  --  urlichs@smurf.sub.org -- urlichs@smurf.ira.uka.de   /(o\
Humboldtstrasse 7 -- 7500 Karlsruhe 1 -- Germany  --  +49-721-9612521     \o)/
From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: INND gives me "dbzsync Interrupted system call".  What to do?
Date: 11 Dec 1992 12:57:00 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In <1g8pufINN2p2@smurf.sti.com> dgreen@sti.com (Dan R. Greening) writes:
>I run innd for network news.  Sometimes I get this message and the news
>server dies:
>  Dec 10 15:44:37 smurf innd: ME cant dbzsync Interrupted system call
Read the install manual:
  Known Problems
  .PP
  SunOS4.1.1 has a bug where \fIwrite\fP(2) can return EINTR.
  The most common symptom is the following fatal error message from \fIinnd\fP:
  .DS
  Can't sync history, interrupted system call
  .DE
  This is Sun bug 1052649.
  It is fixed in patch 100293-01.
  According to the release manual, it is also fixed in all releases of SunOS
  since 4.1.2.
	/r$
From: gerrit@vtm.be
Subject: NNTP & AIX 3.2
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:53:17 GMT
Organization: Vlaamse Televisie Maatschappij N.V.

Hi there,

I've been trying to get NNTP (version 1.5.11) running on an IBM RS/6000 with
no luck. The nntpd seems to be running fine :
201 vtm NNTP[auth] server version 1.5.11 (10 February 1991) ready at Mon Dec
14 09:43:30 1992 (no posting).

But I can not get any connection from another host ( a mac running some
different news readers) which make use of the nntp protocol. I suppose there
are two possibilities : or the Mac software is running correct or nntp is
making a fuzz... As I am using different packages to test the connection and I
suppose someone is using these software programs without any problems, I
strongly believe that it is the nntp which is giving me a nogo!!!

Has anybody sucessfully installed nntp on a rs6k machine ???
-- 
Gerrit Cap						 {gerrit@vtm.be}
Vlaamse Televisie Maatschappij N.V.
Luchthavenlaan 22
1800 Vilvoorde
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp,news.misc
From: mblakele@jarthur.claremont.edu (Michael Blakeley)
Subject: Ask a stupid question...
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:35:26 GMT


Hey now!
	I hate to break with net.etiquette, but I'm having trouble finding 
some info: How (in general) do I set up a news feed? ZD Labs is getting more
and more interested in the Internet, and I've been asked to add a newsfeed
to our existing Internet e-mail system (that I just set up two weeks ago...)
but I haven't the faintest idea _how_ to do it...
	I don't suppose it's as simple as installing nntp (however simple that
is :-) and letting the news flow in like waves... Do I have to contact a
nearby site that's already getting news? Or what?

Advance thanks,
-- Mike

                        ZD Labs: The Ultimate Benchmark
                         (no, I don't speak for them)
553-7750@MCIMAIL.com                                  Michael Blakeley
mblakele@jarthur.claremont.edu                        mblakele@zdlabs.ziff.com
From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: Compressed batches over slip
Date: 17 Dec 92 06:52:24 GMT
Organization: INSA Informatique (Grasp), Lyon, France
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr

rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz) about batches over tcp:
> Then have the sending site make compressed batches and ftp them into a
> fixed place in the receiving site.

Rather then sending with ftp, I would suggest to use a specific sender.
I generate batches which I pipe to a sender called "tcpuux" which is
2 screen pages of code simply establishing a socket to the remote
host and transferring via TCP the compressed (or frozen) batch to the
remote system.

On the remote system you can (1 page of code) develop a small inetd server
getting the batch and piping it to rnews, or if why not directly
put rnews as an inetd server (I did not yet check if this had implication).

Such a configuration is particularly nice for those with a unique feed
coming over slow lines. But sites with slow lines generally don't have
tons of incoming feeds. The drawback is that compression (particularly
freeze) sucks some CPU on your newsfeed. But if they still have plenty
available, there's no problem.

The "tcpuux.c" sender code is available upon request to my mailbox and
as it's really short, once it's cleaned up a little bit (ie I have added
host name) I'll either publish it here of put it on my anon ftp.

-- 
Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@grasp.insa-lyon.fr
  "Pour le bien-etre de tous, il est interdit de pisser dans le metro."
From: rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: INN 1.2 question
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:44:27 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In <1gn36vINNmle@osiris.kbfi.ee> andresb@anubis.kbfi.ee (Andres Bauman) asks
how to get rid of spool directories after 'ctlinnd rmgroup'.

>Is the only way  deleting them manually?
Yes.  Consider what happens when "comp.unix.pc" gets renamed to
"comp.unix.pc.misc", for example.  The ctlinnd "rmgroup" command does not
remove any articles, either.  Some people run a cron job like this every
so often
	cd ${SPOOL} && find  . -type d -print | xargs rmdir 2>/dev/null