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Subject: Re:lyric theater
From: MARLEY@hacks.arizona.edu (arley Tr	)
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 92 12:19:38 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: The Camelot System (Excalibur)
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I would guess an accident of some sort happened in the lyric. The womans
screams; the way you described them is like a hair raising scream.
Maybe she had seen one to many scarey movies there:)(joke)
The people talking could be they loved the theater so much that they haunt 
it now. 
  I have heard that Cary Grant haunts a ship he used to own and there are many
stories like that.
Thats my two cents worth

Marley
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: aharris@javelin.sim.es.com (Alan Harris)
Subject: street lights that go out
Reply-To: aharris@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:13:25 GMT

This is a real wet blanket post about street lights.  If you don't
want debunking then don't read this.


On a few occaisions I have noticed sreet lights go out when
I am nearby.  I used to wonder why that seems to happen only when I am
under it.  Then one day I was driving down the freeway and noticed a light
go off way ahead of me. A couple of city blocks away I would guess.
The interesting thing about it is that it was barely noticeable.  I 
wouldn't have noticed it at all except I happened to be looking almost
directly at it.  Street lights have lenses and reflectors to aim the light
at the ground under the street light.  It would be a real waste to send 
the light squirting off in all directions where it doesn't light up the
road.  Even worse, it would shine in your eyes and blind you like someone
driving toward you with the high beams on.  The result of this is that you
don't see much light from street lights except the ones you are 
close to.  You're not supposed to.  My guess is that street lights go off 
and on again all the time but you just don't notice it unless it's close to 
you.  Either that or I have a magical aura about my body that turns off
a street light every year or two but has no effect on my television, clock
radio and microwave oven.  After that awfull wet blanket post I want to
explain that I am NOT sceptical of much of what is posted in this group.
I believe that spiritual happenings do occure.  I just don't think steet
lights going off and on are a part of it.
From: devol@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (WILLIAM DEVOL)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: My Very Own Street Light Story
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:45:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

It happened!  While I was on vacation in Cancun, Mexico, my wife and I were 
waiting for a bus to take us downtown late in the evening when the street 
light we were standing under winked out.  All the other lights remained on. 
 The first thing I said was, "Now, I can tell my news group."  The second 
thing I said was, "I hope all the other stuff folks have been writing about 
doesn't start happening to me."

Please, don't ruin it for me by saying that it was a faulty bulb.  That 
takes all the fun out of it.

********************************************************

Friends don't let friends go to Miami University.

Remember to post a ghost!

Bill Devol

******************************************************* 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: casmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (CatherineArnott Smith)
Subject: Re: Haunted carriage ride
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:37:32 GMT

This tour is definitely still going on.  I thought it was called "Haunted
Chicago" and I remember seeing a brochure about it at a tourist agency on
Michigan Avenue.  But I have just checked the Yellow Pages and find nothing
obvious.  Will keep trying.

Catherine Arnott Smith
From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: questionable subject matter
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:51:53 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

You know, there must be a full moon out somewhere--and it must not have 
changed at all in the last few days.  Have you noticed that most of the 
posts within the last week have been preoccupied about what's "wrong" with 
certain posts instead of commenting on the *content* of the message?  We 
sure have been a negative bunch recently...  It seems to me that we've been 
overly focused on what should and should not be discussed here and *how* to 
go about posting (i.e. reprinting entire texts for followup messages).  Can 
we *please* *please* *please* get back to what Joel originally intended for 
this group--talking about haunts and ghosts and things that go bump in the 
night?

I still haven't had my question answered, so I'm going to ask it again.  
What's the significance behind a light going out while you're standing 
underneath it?  Is there some folk legend associated with it?

Andrea
From: idis@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Iowa Drug Info)
Subject: RE:  PLEASE, this time CREATE alt.cthulhu ~ 2
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:28:24 GMT

PLEASE do, and the sooner the better, no intent to insult anyone,
we just don't want you here in alt.folklore.ghost-stories.

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: kanderso@reed.edu (Karl Anderson)
Subject: Re: Posting Responses (Haunted House)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:45:50 GMT

In article <92279.191150IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Nicholas C. Hester) writes:
>     What's the big deal, leave the original story in!!!

Not only is this policy a waste of precious bandwith and a despoiler
of the all-important signal-to-noise ratio, it is rude to those of us
reading news at a low baud.

I refer you to Emily Postnews' articles, posted regularly to
news.newusers.questions.

k
From: kamata01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Indian's warning...
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:49:40 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

> (An interesting side note; although accepted theory puts the Indians in the
> US at only 10,000 years ago, the local Indians insist differently, and indeed,
> the mountain did at some time in the distant past send down a smaller ash flow
> that formed the lake, and would certainly have killed any Indians living in
> that area.... makes ya wonder.... :-)
> 
> Suze

Actually, Archaeologists...and many archaeology classes teach that Indians
entered the US not only 10,000 years ago, but to 14,000 years ago... 
with a 2,000 year span to penetrate the South America also..

Kymberli 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: ST32373@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Subject: Army Ghosts
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 14:53:27 CST

>Here's some stuff that happened to a friend of mine: I an in the Nat'l Guard. O
>ur armory is located on a site near an old fort which was on of the last Confed
>erate strongholds in the Civil War. They think that our armory was built very c
>lose to or ON the graveyard of the fort. As if this wasn't enough, I was told t
>hat bodies were stored in the building we use for assemblies during WWII! The p
>lace has been around a looong time. My grandfather in-processed there in WWII i
>n the same building. I always kind of felt a little weird around there, but I j
>ust thought it was cuz I didnt like the military all that much. Anyway here's w
>hat happened: The supply sargent had to spend the night at the armory one nite
>. He locked up the building and was proceeding to go to sleep in his office. He
> was the only one there. That's when he started hearing voices and people walki
>ng around. He says he could almost make out what they were saying. Well, he get
>s up and goes out the door and there's no one there. He calls out, and checks t
>o make sure there was no one there. All the doors were locked and no one was th
>er. He layed down again. Same thing happened. He checked again and still no one
> was there. After that there were no further occurrences. But he is DEFINITELY
>not the type to make this up. But he could have been really tired, so heres ano
>ther story by a different person: (same place): One of the Admin sergeants was
>working late at nite in the MAjor's office. All of a sudden he hears people tal
>king and making noises. He is supposedly the only one there. So he yells "Hey w
>ho's there? He hears someone tell him to "Hey shut up!". He goes down the hall
>to check it out and there's no one there. So he gets this weird feeling and goe
>s back into the office and locks the door behind him. He then hears someone com
>ing down the hall. They stop next to the door. The Sarge has a big stapler adn
>a wooden name plate in his hands. He hears someon try the knob, then nothing. N
>O WALKING AWAY SOUNDS! He stays like that all night and when another sergeant u
>nlocks the door and comes in the next day, he throws the name plate at him!
>So SOMETHING shook him up pretty bad. Obviously the guy who had tha name plate
>thrown at him is sort of a witness. Both these stories were told to me by someo
>ne who had never previously in the 2.5 years Ive known him mentioned anything l
>like this. So Something unexplained happened. Any other "military" stories out
>there?
From: cctr120@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz (Brendon Wyber)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: My personal ghost story
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:58:46 GMT
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

What a great post! I really enjoyed reading that.

B.Wyber, C.S.C, University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
         b.wyber@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
From: sallyh@StarConn.com (Sally Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Haunted House?
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:24:46 GMT
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133

frantz@bvc.edu writes:

>> [72 lines quoting someone else's entire story deleted]

> [11 lines of followup deleted]

Come on, folks! We read the story first time (and it was indeed a good
one): is it really necessary to quote the entire thing in your reply?

This is an extreme example of something that happens a lot in this
group. Please, can we try to be a little selective about how much of
a posting we quote when we followup? It's such a pain to see screen
after screen of something already read in a previous article, followed 
by a couple of lines of new comments.
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From: kanderso@reed.edu (Karl Anderson)
Subject: Re: sources of ghosts
Followup-To: alt.magick
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:03:57 GMT

In article <9210061448.AA06603@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>I continue to be interested in the subject of why ghosts haunt the places they
>do, assuming that there are ghosts.  
>
>I have heard theories, based on nothing more than idle speculation, that many
>ghosts are not spirits of the dead per se but rather psychometric recordings
	    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of human emotional activity.  In other words, if a human or humans felt strong
>emotions such as fear or hate in a locale, the emotional force generated might
>leave 'marks' in the area, with the ultimate result being that other humans
>coming along later might experience 'playbacks' of these feelings.  This is

What is the distinction between the two?  Does the first imply that
there is some sort of conscious entity behind a haunting, while the
second does not?

While we're on the subject, does anyone have any suggestions for
sensing a ghost?  I habituate a few areas that seem ripe for haunting.

I can give one that wouldn't be very useful here in the U.S.:
my friend lived with a family in Nepal for a time.  He likes to
whistle, but would be gravely discouraged by the family against
whistling in the house, because this was known to attract spirits.

k

				   

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From: kamata01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories,alt.horror
Subject: Re: Cthulhu for Prez!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:06:10 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville


 Great Cthulhu is a monster invented by the horror writer H. P. Lovecraft
> in the 1920s (maybe early '30s - my memory grows hazy). He - it, really - is
> at once an alien being of unimaginable powers (etc., etc.) and worshipped
> by some particularly benighted/insane/science-fiction-fannish folks, who
> work to hasten the day he will return from his tomb/city/condo called R'yleh,
> currently sunk beneath the Pacific. This will happen "when the stars are
> right." (I wrote a paper once on the parallels between Cthulhu and Jesus.
> It got published. Ask me & I'll email a copy.)


>     I hope this answers your question.

It did thanks...

I would enjoy reading it.. sounds really interesting.


> 
> P.S. They don't teach classical literature at Louisville? :)
> --                                                 
What exactly do you mean by *Classical* literature. ??

One other question I forgot to ask...

What is a occum razor ???  


Thanks 
Kymberli
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: aharris@javelin.sim.es.com (Alan Harris)
Subject: Re: A friend's old house.
Reply-To: aharris@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:25:37 GMT

Just a guess on the purpose of the tunnels under your friend's house.
I have heard that it used to be popular (and in some places still is)
for people with assorted respiratory ailments to spend time under ground
in abandon mines and tunnels or what have you, in the belief that the 
damp cool air is theraputic.  Any of you historians out there know if
this was the case with T.B. patients?  Perhaps the tunnels were so they 
could rest by themselves instead of listening to each other cough in one
big room in the cellar.  Just a guess.
From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: The Lyric Theater
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:27:23 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <9210050544.AA01398@news.cis.ohio-state.edu>, FURRJK@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
> I thank collectively all of you who've posted your compliments about
> the Lyric Theater ghost story here and who've sent me your mail.  That
> post is not just a recollection of ghost phenomena but is obviously
> also a memoir of a theater I really, really liked.  That's why it wanders
> on for so long before getting to the subject of the ghosts.
> 
> The question I'd like to raise here for those of you who read the story is,
> "Why do the ghosts haunt the place?"  The screaming woman who screams "let
> me out, let me out" or just screams wordlessly is a real cipher, for no
> woman is known to have been walled up in the building.  Perhaps a murder
> that has never been discovered took place.  The other ghosts, the chatting
> people in the balcony and the eerie malevolence in the crawlspace and in
> That Room, may or may not be connected to the screaming woman.  The latter
> more than the former, probably.
> 
> Why do you suppose the various ghosts, if there are any, are there, rather
> than off in heaven, hell, or whereever the dead go?

I was so intrigued with the Lyric Theatre story, if the phine had rung 
while I was reading it, I would have ignored it.  I asked myself the same 
question as I read the pice, particularly given the fact that what history 
you recounted of the theatre didn't particularly speak to a death occurring 
there.  

Here's a thought: (yes, I *am* going out on a bit of a limb here)  Is it 
possible that the theatre might have been the site of a horrifying 
happening in that woman's life?  For example, is it possible she might have 
been raped there or assualted in some other way?  Is it possible, on 
perhaps another nbote, she might have been accidentally trapped in that 
room for a period of time and just gotten the wits scared out of her.  I 
guess I've always thought the spirits have a tendency to return not 
necessarily to places of their deaths, but rather places of their *lives* 
and I would think that would go double for places where trauma has occurred 
during their lives.  

It's just a thought.  You know, after reading the story I was intrigued as 
to whether there was any sort of history ever written about the place (or 
even perhaps the town) that might lend some insight into whether any sort 
of tragedy ever occurred there.  If in fact a woman was raped there, it's 
possible it might have been reported (though don't count on it).  I don't 
know...I'd just like to know more about the actual history.  Sure is fun to 
speculate.

What do others out there think of the possibility of spirits haunting 
places of significance from their lives?

Andrea @  BVC

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From: alvalent@husc10.harvard.edu (Alvin Valentine)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories,alt.horror
Subject: Re: LOVECRAFT'S GRAVE... WHERE?
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:52:31 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


Where is it?  In Salem, Massachusetts, or Providence, Rhode Island, or
elsewhere?


Lee Valentine
alvalent@husc.harvard.edu
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From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories,alt.horror
Subject: Cthulhu for Prez!!
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:50:10 GMT
Organization: IBM Rochester
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

I just saw a tee-shirt the other day that said


Why accept a lesser evil?
CTHULHU for President 1992!


Jared Dahl
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| Systems Programmer     |  my brain IBM"                           |
| IBM - Rochester, MN    |              -- STYX,  "Mr. Roboto"      |
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Opinions expressed are mine, not IBM's.
From: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Ghost-writing (was Re:  Taking Cthulhu out of alt.folklore.ghost-stories)
Date: 1 Oct 1992 20:26:46 GMT
Organization: Vampire Research Group at Berkeley :)
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct1.141958.20491@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> cvantwrp@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Cyndi Van Antwerp) writes:
>Ghost writing, to my knowledge is when a "spirit" takes over the use
>of your arm and writes through you.  As in the case of Bridie Murphy
>(if I'm remembering the name right), who wrote several books through
>her medium.  If someone else knows a different or better definition
>of "ghost writing" I'd be interested to hear it.
>
>Cyndi Van Antwerp

   "Ghost writing" is when one person writes a story for another, to be
published under the latter's name. What you're talking about is _automatic_
writing - when a person writes without conscious control or even (I think;
memory grows hazy) knowledge of what they are writing. Bridie Murphy was not
an automatic writer. She was a woman who claimed to be the reincarnation of
an 18th or 19th century Irish girl named Bridie Murphy - all "confirmed"
through hypnosis. The case was something of a sensation in the 1950s, but
on investigation was found to be - how shall we put this? - less than iron-
clad. Deliberate fraud was never, to my knowledge, proved, but... You
can get the details from Martin Gardner's _Fads and Fallacies in the Name of
Science_, currently being published by Dover Books.
   Lots of people have claimed to have written books through automatic
writing, Ouija boards, etc. Most of these are so horribly written and so
fully of usually mediumistic garbage as to provide a good reason NOT to
committ suicide. Anything would be better than having to churn out those pot-
boilers... :)
	Cosma Rohilla Shalizi
	In Real Life: lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu
	larval physicist in the sorcery capital of the Western World
	VP, Campus Crusade for Cthulhu (Berkeley)

-- 
"Some savages are persuaded by the 'natural light' that it is their duty to
 eat people, and even Voltaire's savages, who are led by the voice of reason
 to hold that one should only eat Jesuits, are not wholly satisfactory."
-Bertrand Russell on Rousseau in _A History of Western Philosophy_, p. 694
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From: toma@hyperion.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tom Atwater)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Street Light Story
Organization: Code 916, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:00:27 GMT

This street light thing is apparently a well-known phenomenon.

I recently heard that someone has actually done research into the frequency
of this happening (turning on/off when people walk under them).
Unfortunately I cannot remember where I read this.

Possibly it is an indication that the human body has something
electromagnetic that extends beyond the skin.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: EDIAS@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (EMILIANO A DIAS)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Street Light Story
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:54:14 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <5OCT199210451329@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> devol@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov writes:

> It happened!  While I was on vacation in Cancun, Mexico, my wife and I were 
> waiting for a bus to take us downtown late in the evening when the street 
> light we were standing under winked out.  All the other lights remained on. 
>  The first thing I said was, "Now, I can tell my news group."  The second 
> thing I said was, "I hope all the other stuff folks have been writing about 
> doesn't start happening to me."
> 
> Please, don't ruin it for me by saying that it was a faulty bulb.  That 
> takes all the fun out of it.

This post reminded me of a peculiar street light in my neighborhood.

This street light is usually lit, but it has never failed to turn off
as I've walked by it.  I've never thought of this as spooky, just weird.

   Someone at the electric company mustn't like me...   Tony Dias

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: kathrynw%radian@natinst.com (Kathryn Whitworth)
Subject: Re: My Very Own Street Light Story
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:10:26 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/lib/news/organization


Street lights?  Did I miss something good while I had to be working?

Street lights go out when I drive by fairly regularly.  One place I lived,
we could count on it going out.  Again, recently, I saw one go out as I
drove by.

Now I've *heard* this all has to do with the light sensors (you know, that
turn the lights on at dusk and off at dawn) being overly sensitive or
misplaced, or maybe the car's headlights aimed too high, but the evidence
is weak.

Kathryn Roth Whitworth



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From: scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis)
Subject: Re: Cthulhu for Prez!!
Reply-To: scarrobi@shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:15:26 GMT

In article 17001@edsr.eds.com, hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg) writes:
> 
> Since "Cthulhu" violates the syllable structure of any language I'm
> familiar with, I'd be intersted in knowing how it is to be pronounced?
> 
> h. kelly shuldberg
> hkelly@edsr.eds.com
> Albuquerque, NM


its pronounced (ca-thoo-loo)
  Steve C.

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 5 Oct 1992 19:11:50 EDT
From: Nicholas C. Hester <IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Posting Responses (Haunted House)

Despite Peder's comments:

     What's the big deal, leave the original story in!!!  There is plenty
of room and if you don't want to re-read a story or comment, don't.  Even
I skip most of the un-edited articles but they are still interesting and
could be considered a re-telling of sorts.
___

  Nicholas  Hester                  "I'm a virgin...I'm just not good at it."
ia80024@Maine.bitnet                                 -Ramada, "Hot Shots!"
ia80024@Maine.maine.edu
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