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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: SULEYMAN'in DIN'i
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:41:32 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

> Gercek inanan kisi evindede ibadet eder camiide boy gostermez, zaten
> gostermelik dincilik cok ulkede.
(gercek-inanan-kisi,ibadet,ev,cami,boy-gostermek,gostermelik,dincilik,ulke)
 
> Bunu bilmek gerek:
> - Hic bir zaman ilim din kanaliyala elede edilmemis.
(ilim,din,elde-etmek)
 
>   Dusun ronesansi; ilim kendi bagimsizligini ancak
>   halkin ilmi dinden ayri olarak aydin bir tarzda
>   kavramasiyla olmus.
(ronesans,ilim,bagimsizlik,halk,din,aydin,kavramak)
 
> - Hicbir din hic bir sekilde simdiye kadar hic bir 
>   toplumu teknolojik ve politik kalkinmaya goturmemeis.
(din,toplum,teknolojik,politik,kalkinma)
 
> - Ok. Isteyen dinin gerktirdigini yapabilir. Ama unutmayalim ki
>   her seyi din icin yapmakta sadece narkotik bir aliskanlik
>   ve tembellik yaratir halk arasinda. 
(Ok,din,gerek,narkotik,aliskanlik,tembellik,yaratmak,halk)
 
> Selam getirmisem
> S.Kondakci
 
Sevgili kardesim Suleyman,
 
"din" hakkinda buyuk vazi-nasihatte bulunmadan once, bir kendinizin ve
bir de Allah'in bu "din" kelimesini nasil kullandigini bir karsilastirsaniz,
acaba nasil olur ? Belki boylece hem siz, hem de biz haybeye bacak
sallamamis oluruz :-) Hic bu senin "din"'inin Allah'in "din"'ine uzaktan
yakindan benzer bir yanini gorebiliyormusun ? Eger gorebiliyorsan bize de
bir goster de aydinlanalim :-) 
 
Bir baska deyisle; farzet ki sen bu "din"'ini Allah'in "din"'ine rakip
olarak pazara surdun, boyle bir "din"'e alici cikar mi saniyorsun ?
Simdi sen bu "din"'ini nasil satacaksin ? Sen zannediyormusun ki alici
bu senin "din"'inle Allah'in "din"'ini karsilastirmadan hemen parayi
bastirip senin "din"'ini aliverecek ? Sen aliciyi "keriz" mi sanirsin ?
Bu mal(!!?)'la pazara cikma, rezil olursun. Iste biz sizin gibi az gelismis
mallari yabanci piyasalara surenler yuzunden dis-pazar kaybediyoruz :->
 
Ey Benim Kardesim Suleyman,
soylediklerimi bu dunya pazarlarinda iflasa dusmemen icin soylenmis
dost sozleri olarak kabul et, dost aci soyler.
 
Soyle bana simdi Suleyman;
sen simdi bu "din"'le AT'TA'ya nasil girersin ?
 
ben de; 
> Selam getirmisem
 
Suleyman kus dilin bilir dediler
Bir Suleyman var Suleyman'dan iceri
                 Yunus Emre
 
Vur kazmayi daga Ferhat
Cogu gitti, azi kaldi.
Kisne kirAT, kisne kirAT
Cogu gitti, azi kaldi.
                NFK
From: trh%jack.sns.com%harvunxw.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Mac sonuclari
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:59:12 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

> Date: 16 Nov 1992 09:41:13 -0400 (EDT)
> From: AEMBBU@ritvax.isc.rit.edu

 I. Lig 11. Hafta Toplu Sonuclari:
 ---------------------------------
 Kocaeli 2 - Fenerbahce 1
 Besiktas 3 - Bursa 1
 Genclerbirligi 2 - Trabzon 2
 Karsiyaka 0 - Aydin 2
 Kayseri 1 - Altay 0
 Bakirkoy 1 - Ankaragucu 2
 G.Antep 6 - Konya 2
 Sariyer 0 - Galatasaray 0
 -----------------------------------

 A Milli Basketbol takimi Avrupa Sampiyonasinda Cekoslavakya'dan sonra
 Belcika'yi da yenerek (66-54) final grubuna yukselme yolunda buyuk bir
 sans yakaldi. Milli takimin bundan sonraki maci Carsamba gunu Hollanda
 ile.

 Erhan
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From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: turkish un ambassador
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:55:26 GMT

will any kind sould please tell me who the turkish un ambassador is and
what his phone number is? please e-mail to me as soon as possible?

salam alaikum

zafar minhas

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From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: TURKEY
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:17:01 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


[Discussion of Balkan states and their ethnic minorities deleted]


>*   Finally, TURKEY, a country which is not a direct neighbour of the
> former Yugoslavia but which is becoming an important actor on the Balkan
> scene. The rediscovery of the 'Turkophone' area in the former Soviet
> Union has increased the political and military weight of Turkey at the
> border between Europe and Asia. It will also have an impact on Turkish
> foreign policy in South-Eastern Europe. The problems of Turkish minorities
> and Islamic groups in the Balkans will regain political importance.
> Several scenarios are possible.



      Yeah, finally, TURKEY, a country with no significant
      minorities, or better said, none that it hasn't
      already exterminated or Turkified.


-- Eduard Wiener
(Flame away, Parlakbilekov/Oguzman/Argic/...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: sal@IASTATE.EDU (Selahattin Dibooglu)
Subject: Re: MAL BULMU$ MAGRIBI (was Re: Hz MUHAMMEDIN DOKUZ YASINDAKI...)
Keywords: islamic orthodoxy, religious tolerance
Reply-To: sal@IASTATE.EDU (Selahattin Dibooglu)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:14:14 GMT

  22695	MAL BULMU$ MAGRIBI (was Re: Hz MUHAMMEDIN DO  hyetim@magnus.acs.ohio-sIn
article <9211180626.AA21396@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Hasan Yetim
<hyetim@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> 
> Subject: MAL BULMUS MAGRIBI (was Re: MUHAMMED'IN 9 YASINDAKI BIR COCUKLA    
>                                      GERDEGE GIRMESI)
> kg+02@me.unda.edu (Kaya Guralp) writes;
> ... 
> a lot of fisk-u ficur was deleted
> ...
> 
> > Goruldugu uzere, Hz Muhammed (SAV) dokuz yasindaki bir kizla gerdege
> > girmekten cekinmez. Bu olayi politik bir evlilik olarak niteleyen 
> > islamcilar bunu neden aciklayamiyorlar? Dokuz yasindaki bir cocukla cinsel
> ------------------------------------------> Too BOLD!
> > iliskide bulunmak normal midir? Vaazlarda, mevlutlerde peygamber'in
> --------------------------------> NEYE GORE?
> 
> Kaya efendi bunlarin aciklanmadigini nerden biliyorsun sorabilirmiyim?
> Bu mevzuda kac tane tarih kitabi okudun? Senin okudugun sadece Tarik Dursun,
> (Turan Dursun demek istiyorsun yani) tabi oda azili bir din dusmani, bektasi
                                                ------------------------------ 
> oldugundan, yapilan aciklamalari kitabina almiyor. Sende Mal Bulmus
-------------

(the rest is deleted for efficient use of resources !)

Hello everybody,

It is not my intention to get into a futile discussion, nor do I know anything
about Mr. Tarik Dursun. It is sad that  Mr. Hasan Yetim thinks that islamic
orthodoxy is the only "true" form of spirituality in Islam. 

I think Turkey would be a very boring country without different spiritual and
cultural traditions.

"Wala tarju as-samahata min bahilen,
Fama fi nnaari liz-zam'ani maau..."

Rough translation:

"Do not ask forgiveness [tolerance] from the ungenerous,
 [For] there is no water for the thirsty in [a] fire..."

From Nahjat ul-Balagha [The method of Rhetoric] by Ali bin ebi Talib.

Selahattin.
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From: J.Theodore.Schuerzinger@dartmouth.edu (J. Theodore Schuerzinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.soviet,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Apparently we have another "revisionist" to expose: 
 Schuerzinger.
Date: 22 Nov 92 02:52:42 GMT
 <9211211826@zuma.UUCP>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <9211211826@zuma.UUCP>
sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

> Turks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands,
> to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland.

If Kurds want to return to their homeland, it's because the Turkish
government is denying them their rights.  If you read
soc.culture.nordic, you'd know that the only way Kurds can learn their
own language with the Roman alphabet (as opposed to the Arabic or
Cyrillic alphabets) is from books printed in Sweden.  As the only
country with a large Kurdish population that uses the Roman alphabet is
Turkey, it is apparent that the Turkish government is NOT allowing
Kurds to publish in their own language.

Serdar, you still ignore the genocide of approximately one million
Armenians towards the end of the first world war.


--Ted Schuerzinger
email: .zed@Dartmouth.EDU
"Denial is not just a river in Africa."
(Stuart Smalley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: frasyid@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Fuadi Rasyid)
Subject: Re: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:26:43 GMT


<1992Nov7.084920.182030@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mas@Cadence.COM (Masud
Khan) writes;

> Is Ata-Turk considered a hero amongst Turks? and what about
> amongst practising Muslim Turks? The reason I ask is

Not at all.

> that all the rest of the Islamic world see him as an
> evil trator who compromised Islam and turned Turkey
> into a secular state.

That is correct.

> Is there a resurgence of Islamic identity amongst Turks
> young/old?

Yes, most of the honest young Turks have been trying to find their
original identity again, though there is an intensive discouraging
campaigns against it.

He has destroyed not only his nation but also islamic world.
Some of his believers probably will tell that he saved the country
but it is questionable. There was so many capable people to do that
mission but they were eleminated by colonialist at that time. He
was imposed as only savior.

How? Let's elaborate what he had done;

1- He abolished the khilafe.
2- He disconnected all the relationships between muslims around the
   world and Turkey.
3- He advocated corrupted western culture to settle in Turkey.
4- He nullified the islamic script and brought latin alphabet.
   Indeed it was a stupid mistake that he did which made all of the
   people illitera in one night. No one honest people can deny this
   fact.
5- Most of the children raised in Turkish schools have been
   brainwashed against their islamic identity but pro-western.
   Also, most of the Turks who are ignorant knows him as a hero
   since they were thaught official history in the schools. They
   believe that Turkish history started just 70 years ago, as if
   they were dropped from moon!
6- He abolished all of the islamic school system, no one was able
   to teach Kur'an even openly read it.
7- He murdered thousands of muslim people for just not wearing a
   western hat.
8- After getting the power, he always tried to discredit islam
   although he had known a good muslim during the independence war.
   (This helps to explain some claims made against him)
9- He left the turkish and other muslims helpless who lived outside
   of the borders saying peace in nation- peace in the world. Does not
matter they assault, humiliate or kill you, just peace cowardly.
Currently, it is against the law to talk against him or his
principles. If somebody says that there is democracy in Turkey, I
could say, if so why there is a restriction to question his deeds.
There is a claim that he was a british spy and
trained for this special purpose. Not true muslim or honest turk 
would say that what he did was right.
F.R.
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From: zoltan@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Zoltan Schreter)
Subject: Re: And we noticed "wieneramus" of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle.
Organization: Psychology Department, University of Tasmania
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 03:58:05 GMT

In article <9211120056@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
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>From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
>Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
>Subject: And we noticed "wieneramus" of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle.
>Message-ID: <9211120056@zuma.UUCP>
>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:56:27 EST
>Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
>References: <720913667@locust.cs.duke.edu>
>Distribution: world
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>In article <720913667@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener) writes:
>
>>    Now, now, there's no need to sob, sweet little infant.
>>    Take your mommy's hand and walk back to your kindergarden.
>>    Oh, before you go, how about some "Kibbles and Bits?"
>
>There's a little pronged fork sticking up at the end of your abdomen. 
>The truth needs to be told over and over again. There are Armenians 
>who of course do know the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslims between 
>1914-1920 but their voices of truth are suppressed today in the hollow 
>din of the well-orchestrated anti-Turkish campaign by the ASALA/SDPA/ARF 
>Terrorism Triangle. 
>>

I've been reading your postings on these things. I must say, it was new
to me that - as you say - Armenians committed genocide againts Turks.
I used to know only of a Turkish genocide committed against Armenians.
You never mention such a thing. Is it because you think it never happened?


Zoltan Schreter
University of Tasmania at Hobart
Australia


>Serdar Argic
>
>                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
>                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
>                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
>                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
>                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: e_alper@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Bazi Lig maclarinda alinan sonuclar
Date: 15 Nov 92 11:43:46 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

Bu Hafta Carsamba gunu Ingiltere ile yapacagimiz milli mac nedeni ile 
Cumartesi oynanan maclardan elime gecen bazi sonuclar:

Besiktas - Bursaspor   3 - 1
Kocaeli  - Fenerbahce  2 - 1  (korfez firtinasi devam ediyor....)

Ayrica Galatasaray ve Trabzon'un berabere kaldiklarini duydum ama 
skorlardan emin degilim.  

Carsamba gunu oynanacak macta milli takima bol sanslar.....

Emre
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From: viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Gagging at the mess of "visser the revisionist"s lies.
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:54:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: ohstpy.14676.2b0672bb
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Distribution: world

In article <9211151131@zuma.UUCP>, sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
> 
> Yet another self-admitted liar and revisionist in action. 
> For nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people 
> lived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the 
> oppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions
> culminated in 1914: The Armenian Government (Dashnaks and
> Hunchaks) planned and carried out a Genocide against its 
> Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered
> and the remainder driven out of their homeland. After one
> thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks
> and Kurds. 

  Wait a moment, Mutlu. Isn't Turkish goverment just completing
the final solution of Kurdish question by exterminating
Kurds in Northern Iraq and Eastern Turkey, eh ?

Serega & Co
From: aphrael@cats.ucsc.edu (Robert D West)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: "The Armenians just shot and shot and shot," said Omar Veyselov.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 19:34:41 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


WE DON'T CARE. Take your argument out of talk.politics.cis!
From: mot@acsu.buffalo.edu (mustafa o tanrikulu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: A questions (s) on Ataturk (was Re: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:07:42 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: mot@ozan4.eng.buffalo.edu


In article <6820@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.134158.16192@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes:
>[deleted]
>>The reverence for Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is no longer comparable to the
>>reverence once shown to Lenin in ex Soviet Union for example.  On the
>>other hand, he is rightly regarded as a visionary and benevolent ruler
>>who steered his country through uncharted waters and did so
>>successfully.  He remains the only one of the 1930's style strong men
>>whose pictures still adorn the offices of its civil servants.  
>
>For a long time I wanted to ask something which I've heard several times
>but alas, books, propaganda, etc, rarely tend (and try) to find a 'binding'
>examples for 2 neighbouring people :-( (this is a generalization - I don't
>have in mind any particular 'propaganda' !!!). So - my question is:
>
>From where (to the best knowledge of all of you) did Kemal Ataturk got his
>pro-European (i.e. reformist) ideas? Those ideas were, of course, mainly
>his own ideas as he being a great patriot was considering what is best for
>Turkey but you know - people are greatly affected by what they see ...
>
>(I was told that it was from the country where he got
>his military educaiton and spent year(s?) as militaty atache there :-).
>However, I've never had the chance to read his biography in detail so that
>may not be exactly like this. )
>
>Regards
>
>Luben

As far as I know, Ataturk was influenced by Young Turks movement,
especially by the great novelist of that group Namik Kemal. He was
even put into prison while he was a military academy student. After
graduation he was appointed to a frontier post in Syria. Young
Turks movement was very popular amongst the young Ottoman officers
at the beginning of this century. Another great figure was Tevfik Fikret.
He was not a part of Young Turks movement, but he was a great poet and
a man who loved his people and his country very much. Besides, as you 
said, serving as a military attache in Sofia had some effects upon him.

I hope I could be some assistance here.

Regards,

M. Okan Tanrikulu
From: uysal@cs.umd.edu (Mustafa Uysal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Neden?
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:39:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: mimsy.62176
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742


   Sayin Serdar Argic,

   Lutfen sadece su soruya cevap verebilirmisiniz : 

   "NEDEN?"

   Saygilarimla,

   Mustafa Uysal

   University of Maryland     (uysal@cs.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: European Cups Football/Basketball
From: ptisu_sa1@nl102
Date: 19 Nov 92 00:07:42 GMT
Organization: ITT News - Product Cluster
Nntp-Posting-User: ptisu_sa1




  18 Kasim 1992


  BASKETBOL Amsterdam-Hollanda   Avrupa Birinciligi Eleme Gurubu. 

            Hollanda 84  - Turkiye 85

            Turkiye,  Haziran 1993'te Almanya'daki 
            Avrupa Finallerine katilmaya hak kazandi.

                     
  FUTBOL   Londra-Ingiltere, Dunya Kupasi Avrupa Eleme Gurubu.

           Ingiltere 4 - Turkiye 0

           15. dakikada Hakan kaleci ile karsi karsiya kaldi vuramadi.
           Seken topa Unal sert vurdu, ust direkten dondu.

           16. dakika'da Ingiltere'nin ilk golu geldi. Ilk yari 2-0 bitti.
           Ikinci yarinin basinda Ugur kaleci ile karsi karsiya kaldiginda
           topu asirttirmaya calisti, ustten disariya gitti. 60 ve 62. dakika
           larda ingiltere durumu 4-0 yapti.

           Turkiye 6 takimlik eleme gurubunda 4. durumda. Gelecek mac 16
           aralikta Turkiye Hollanda.


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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Armenians burn Azeri village.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:07:04 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov17.175350.6046@leland.Stanford.EDU> arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian) writes:

>Fighting in Karabakh and in the border regions continues. The Armenian
>forces are reported to have shot down two Mig-25 planes and two helicopters
>of the adversary. Battles are going on for the villages of Arajashen and Edilu

Rings a bell?

      Armenians Burn Azeri Village in New Unrest:

"Armenian guerillas attacked a strategic Azeri village...in Nagorno-Karabagh 
 and burned it to the ground on Tuesday, Commonwealth television reported. 
 Channel one television said the village of Malybeili, in the Khodzhalin 
 district, was now cut off and a large number of wounded were left stranded.  
 Itar-Tass news agency said several people were killed and 20 wounded in 
 the attack on the village... Tass also said shells fired from Armenian 
 villages into the Azeri populated town of Susha, just 6 miles south of 
 Stepenakert, demolished two houses and damaged five others...Fierce fighting 
 flared two weeks ago following the crash of an Azeri helicopter in Karabagh 
 in which 40 people died." (Reuters)
 Turkish Daily News, 2/12/92


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:02:28 GMT
X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <9211230736.AA05171@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Fuadi Rasyid <frasyid@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>
>What was the REAL LOGIC behind it? and could you provide a true evidence
>for this claim? Another point, If he turned into his original turkish script
>(if there is), I would comprehend it easier than your explanation.
>

There are several original Turkic scripts, predating Islam.   I think
that actually there was serious consideration as to whether the Gokturk
script should be adopted, but I am not sure whether or not this came
after the script change.  The idea was dropped because it was simpler to
use the Latin script.  

BTW, intellectuals in the Ottoman Empire were already experimenting with
modified Arabic scripts and the Latin script to better the literacy
rate, before the republic.   

I am trying to learn the Ottoman variant of the Arabic script at the
moment.  I have to say that it is by no means easy.  On the other hand,
I would have appreciated high-school level elective classes in the
script at the same time we were studying Ottoman literature, rather than
trying to learn it later in life.   

regards,
Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu

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