HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pvs9@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Praktikum Verteilte Systeme)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
Originator: pvs9@helios.ibr.cs.tu-bs.de
Reply-To: pvs9@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Praktikum Verteilte Systeme)
Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik (Bueltenweg), Germany
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:06:55 GMT

Isn't alt.fan.cows a bad joke ?  It doesn't seem less pointless to me than alt.
swimming-with-clothes which I proposed some weeks ago.  The feedback on that 
one was very poor... and now every1 posts something about this IMHO silly cow
thing...

May Elbereth protect you !

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From: cgd@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.fan.babak-sehari
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:41:00 GMT
	<1993Jan7.140026.3346@ennews.eas.asu.edu>
Organization: Kernel Hackers 'r' Us
NNTP-Posting-Host: eden.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: sridhar@asuvax.eas.asu.edu's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:00:26 GMT

i must note that *i* have never been a votetaker for a usenet vote...

i sure as hell hope Babak Sehari hasn't been either!

cgd
--
Chris G. Demetriou                                    cgd@cs.berkeley.edu

"Sometimes it is better to have twenty million instructions by
        Friday than twenty million instructions per second." -- Wes Clark
Newsgroups: alt.config,comp.org.usenix
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@convex.COM>
Subject: New altgroup proposed: alt.fan.robbie.pink-tutu
Originator: tchrist@pixel.convex.com
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:31:06 GMT
Reply-To: tchrist@convex.COM (Tom Christiansen)
Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I propose the creation of the newsgroup:

    alt.fan.robbie.pink-tutu

The reason this newsgroup should be created is so that Rob Kolstad's
innumerable fans can exchange useful and amusing information and anecdotes
about him.  Related discussions on the proper color matching of tutus to
hula hoops, ornamental tutued buddhas, and similar subjects would also be
welcome.

There's a long story here: the short of it is that at USENIX a few years
ago, the contest was to design an amusing screen saver.  One of the 
winning entries was the Rob Kolstad screen-saver, which featured 
Rob bouncing around the screen in a pink tutu.  While Rob was mildly
unamused, the rest of the conference was in an uproar.  Elizabeth Zwicky
later contributed mock-ups of what the screen saver would look like.

We've waited several years for this all to come to fruition, but now the
time is ripe.  At the impending USENIX conference in San Diego (which Rob
is chairing), we're going to be launching the Robbie Kolstad Fan Club.  A
governing board has already been formed, along with dozens of his biggest
fans as charter members.  The kickoff at the conference will be complete
with paraphernalia, souvenirs, software, and many other interesting member
benefits, as well as a multitude of festivities and events open to the
general public.  Rob's fans need a place to talk about him, so an alt.fan
group seems to be just the right place.

Anyway, it'll be easier to get this newsgroup made than it would to make
something like comp.org.usenix.robbie.pink-tutu :-)

--tom
-- 
    Tom Christiansen      tchrist@convex.com      convex!tchrist
The notion of a "record" is an obsolete remnant of the days of the
80-column card.
                -- Dennis M. Ritchie
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington)
Subject: Re: Proposal for new alt newsgroup: alt.fan.wodehouse
Organization: Contract to CSC, Victoria Uni, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:46:44 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config

I would most definitely push out and give this the nod.  A thoroughly
excellent idea, and I would go for
	alt.fan.wodehouse
as the title (there aren't many other Wodehouses, and if some pop up,
we can always sick the Eldest Member onto them :-).

I offer to do the FAQ too.

Nat.
(I don't read alt.config, so e-mail me anything you say about this
post that mightn't bore me to death).
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: "Alt.fan" considered less than optimal
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:55:05 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

>You're right. It should have been alt.in-joke.lemurs.

In-jokes are more appropriate in mailing lists or local newsgroups,
where they can be better appreciated by the people in on the joke.

-- 
#ifdef TRUE        | Fuzzy Fox (a.k.a. David DeSimone)       fuzzy@netcom.com
#define  TRUE   0  |
#define  FALSE  1  |  "911 Emercency Rescue Service - Can you hold, please?"
#endif             |
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor.d
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows ... or perhaps alt.humor.ascii-art
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:06:46 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.
Keywords: hi tim

durrell@pinball.arcade.uiowa.edu (Bryant Durrell) writes:

>If it's an attempt, it's a *really* lame attempt.  If I want to
>start an alt.games.vampire group, I don't start posting 1000 line
>posts about Vampire in alt.config.  Posting stuff that would fit
>the charter of the proposed group in alt.config or news.groups 
>has never been a good way to convince people a group is needed.

I agree.  The proper way to show support for a group is to get some
*other* people to post and show that they favor the group's creation.

And even *then* there might not be enough support.  But a mailing list
is often a good idea.  Besides, mail reaches farther than news anyway.

-- 
#ifdef TRUE        | Fuzzy Fox (a.k.a. David DeSimone)       fuzzy@netcom.com
#define  TRUE   0  |
#define  FALSE  1  |  "911 Emercency Rescue Service - Can you hold, please?"
#endif             |
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Subject: Re: alt.ascii-art
Reply-To: pt@compass.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:46:36 GMT

jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer) writes:

>twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce):
>}I'd suggest putting it under alt.binaries.  Although the posts in

>Nah, the sizes will be nowhere near binaries.* level.

I dunno about that - that xmas.movie (ascii animation) that I got off the
net is 130K.  That's getting up there (I've got smaller gif files).

-- 
I'm the News Administrator at this site, and you're not!
I just administer the news, I don't make or state policy.
Xref: sparky alt.config:8287 rec.humor.d:2885
From: garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.humor.d
Subject: Re: alt.fan.cows
Date: 5 Jan 93 02:20:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0Czu0.HL0.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1993Jan4.101811.16811@gmd.de> jc@gmd.de writes:
[text deleted]
#I'd be ready to support alt.fan.joel-furr on our machines. But Ellen's
#idea to put "nyx" into a category with "zuma," "feline" and "tygra"
#seems much more fun. Though a simple kill file will do for now.

I've seen a good many sensible, informative articles from people
at nyx.  

I just thought that I'd throw this in, since I'd hate to think that
people think that Joel Furr is in any way representative of the
users at nyx.

Susan
Xref: sparky alt.config:8334 alt.folklore.urban:32983
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.answers
Summary: Sheesh!
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:11:14 GMT
Reply-To: Your Mother
Followup-To: Your Mother
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1ikfln$nv6@agate.berkeley.edu>, chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien) writes:

> This is a pretty serious accusation. Could you please say how exactly
> he tried to exert "restraint on the content", and which and what posting
> you made, as well as these "others" you mention?

Well, he did get voted "the least likely to get the joke" by the readers of
AFU when he objected to the content of the AFU FAQ (or perhaps because Peter
wanted to call the archive "jik-dick").  There's an "other" for you.

Seriously, get real.  If jik wants this job he's welcome to it.

Terry
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.answers
Followup-To: poster
Date: 8 Jan 1993 13:17:09 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pit-manager.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan8.062621.3290@netcom.com>, jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer) writes:
|> I used to participate in news.answers, but I stopped after Jonathan
|> tried to exert prior restraint on the content, not form, of a posting.

This is a lie.

|> It's not just me, either, he has done the same to others.

As is this.

|> I think it
|> would be inappropriate for him to be in any way associated with alt.answers.

Coming from Jef, this opinion is not surprising, but is probably quite isolated.

Jef's accusations were beaten quite soundly to death on the faq-maintainers
mailing list.  If anyone is truely interested in the background behind them,
feel free to send me E-mail and I will dredge the entire conversation up out of
my faq-maintainers archive and mail it to you.  I will not, however, waste the
net's resources by flaming about it any further in this newsgroup (or any
other).

If enough people (let's say, five) feel that there is a need, I am quite
willing to conduct a straw poll to determine if there is significant opposition
to my moderating alt.answers.  I am confident of what the result would be.

-- 
Jonathan Kamens                                         jik@MIT.Edu
Aktis, Inc.                                 Moderator, news.answers
From: oea@usit.uio.no (Odd Einar Aurbakken)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: "alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions"
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:52:52 GMT
Organization: University of Oslo

In article <1993Jan8.192711.17067@cs.sfu.ca>, jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews) writes:
>      What on God's green earth is this??
> 
>      Did some vote for "comp.os.linux.questions" fail, so Jyrki
> decided to create it as part of his private "alt.uu" demesne?

Yes, here is an excerpt from the "RESULT: comp.os.linux.announce passes
479:131, others fail" posting in news.announce.newgroups:

>From: iwj@cam-orl.co.uk (Ian Jackson)
>Date: 1 Dec 1992 13:46:26 -0500
>Message-ID: <1fgbu2INNlmt@news.UU.NET>
>
>Here is the result of the votes I received regarding the proposed
>split of comp.os.linux.
>
>                 yes    no   abs    diff    ratio      result why     to change
> .announce       479   131     3     348    3.6564885   PASS             249
> .questions      380   217    16     163    1.7511521   FAIL (ratio)      54
> .bugs           390   212    11     178    1.8396226   FAIL (ratio)      34
> .misc           390   207    16     183    1.8840580   FAIL (ratio)      24


Wonder how long it will take before we se alt.uu.comp.os.linux.bugs and
alt.uu.comp.os.linux.misc.

-oea					"Just add !alt.uu to your sys file"
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jef@netcom.com (Jef Poskanzer)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.answers
X-Face: uPIE),q]+zmF49L%(pdE;nX/8$/J22&&&C@_)8BouYx42Y--?*,\]*MIeTY#mCM(x>FyD@+0D-Jm]S_8lxop(Q-$L#~b8!ha;eF[b+GOLyu<]4$">NeVymJ@F#M?1O`ue4,h4`2S^KGjmP%no(d,:<Ur:+f6W8$J:'t9BxH
Reply-To: Jef Poskanzer <jef@netcom.com>
Organization: Paratheo-Anametamystikhood Of Eris Esoteric
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:26:21 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce):
}Now that the proposed *.answers groups have passed their respective
}votes, I propose that alt.answers be created to carry FAQs for alt.*
}groups.  This group would (as with the other *.answers groups) be
}moderated initially by Jonathan Kamens

I used to participate in news.answers, but I stopped after Jonathan
tried to exert prior restraint on the content, not form, of a posting.
It's not just me, either, he has done the same to others.  I think it
would be inappropriate for him to be in any way associated with alt.answers.

How about making it self-moderated?
---
Jef

           Jef Poskanzer  jef@netcom.com  jef@well.sf.ca.us
                     Parental guidance suggested.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: public apology
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:22:25 GMT


Last week, like an idiot, I told Joel ("alt.fan.cows") Furr he'd

  > ... earn this year's Jari Junikka award.  Get a life.

I can't apologize enough to Jari Junikka, whose name was the first to
pop off my mental "Finnish names" stack, but is an eminently sensible
person with a real life.  I meant, of course, Jyrki Kuoppala.

Thanks to Jamie Andrews for posting an alt.uu.* flame and reminding me.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher              news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
From: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: alt.missing-kids
Subject: Missing teenager
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 08:49:11 GMT
Organization: University of South Africa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pchayest.unisa.ac.za

Martha Shibamba, aged 15, of Hammanskraal, north of Pretoria, South Africa, 
went missing before Christmas and has not been seen by her family since then.

She went out at 10 in the morning of 18 December 1992 to buy some bread at 
the local shop and never returned home. She was wearing a pink dress and 
black shoes when she left home.


Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department
Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa
Internet: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za
          steve.hayes@f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org
From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: Re: Not Thunderheart--the other one
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:16 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan12.215104.4588@cas.org>, mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines) writes...
>Hi
> 
>Within the last month or so there was some discussion about the movie
>Thunderheart and another movie.  It was stated that
>Thunderheart was a fictionalized account while the other movie
>was a much more accurate account about Leonard Peltier.  What
>was the name of the other movie?  

Incident at Oglala (produced by Robert Redford)

>(Sorry, I think I'm getting senile.)

Naw, we all go through that....:)

> 
>Thanks,

You're welcome   :)
Glad we could help!

> 
>Mary Lee

Tammy and White Horse Running
From: dmcmillen@igc.apc.org (Dale McMillen)
Newsgroups: alt.native
Subject: INDIGENOUS ENVIRO PERSPECTIVE
Date: 10 Jan 93 03:02:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1308200099:000:1376
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmcmillen    Jan  9 19:02:00 1993


From: Dale McMillen <dmcmillen>
Subject: INDIGENOUS ENVIRO PERSPECTIVE

/* Written  7:01 pm  Jan  9, 1993 by dmcmillen@igc.apc.org in igc:alt.activism */
/* ---------- "INDIGENOUS ENVIRO PERSPECTIVE" ---------- */
Pointer to alt.politics.greens, topic "INDIGENOUS ENVIRO PERSPECTIVE",
for a synopsis of:

             INDIGENOUS ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVES:
                    A North American Primer

    A Discussion and Series of Case Studies of North American
    Indigenous Environment Issues and a Framework for Discussion
    of Sustainable Development.  Prepared for the United Nations
    Conference on the Environment and Development, and Protecting
    Mother Earth Conference, 1992.  The report discusses the
    impact of uranium and coal mining on native lands and other
    environmental burdens shared by native peoples, along with
    suggestions for future sustainability.

    For a complete copy of the report or to subscribe to the
    biannually published magazine, "Indigenous Woman" contact:

             Indigenous Womens Network
             PO Box 174
             Lake Elmo, MN 55042
             (612)777-3629

     The Report costs $6.00 and the Magazine in $10.00 per year.

If you do not have access to alt.politics.greens and would like
a copy of the synopsis, please send an email request to
"dmcmillen@igc.apc.org" and I will email a copy.
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: mlw@moscow.cc.bellcore.com (wason,mary lu l)
Subject: Mankiller
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 22:09:06 GMT


To answer someone's question - Wilma Mankiller is Chief of the
Cherokee nation in Oklahoma only, not of the other Cherokee nation
in their original home (north carolina, I think).

I saw her speak here at my company, a few months ago. She
was very inspiring. She talked about the history of her people
and her observations about current topics. 

Before she spoke, I was sitting by myself and I couldn't help
overhearing a conversation behind me. It went something like

	SHE: So how did she get to be a chief, was she born to
	it or something?

	HE: No, she was elected.
	
	SHE: Really? When did they start doing that?

	HE: Huh?
	SHE: That's kind of an advanced concept for the
	Indians, isn't it? Did they learn it from us?

	HE: No, actually we learned it from them.
	The concept of most of our government is based
	on what the Indians were doing before we came here.

I don't think I'll ever forget that conversation. It surprises
me at how ignorant people can be.

When Wilma Mankiller finished speaking, the floor was open to
questions. Someone asked "how can we help". Mankiller
replied, "Expand your knowledge. Being here today has helped."
And I thought of the woman sitting behind me and all of the facts
that Mankiller had told and I realized, yes, it does help
to expand our knowledge.

	-Mary Lu



-- 

-----------------
Mary Lu Wason
mlw@cc.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: alt.native
From: cherokee@cscns.com (Agv'nige Wohali)
Subject: Re: Question of Nativity
Organization: Community_News_Service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:37:01 GMT

Irena Sumi <uni-lj.si!irena.sumi> writes:

>Original-Sender: Irena Sumi <uni-lj.si!irena.sumi>

>I believe it was some two years ago that a similar discussion was on
>in this list. Since it was going on at the time I joined in, and have
>given it some thought at the time, perhaps I should now share my view
>with the listers.

>While I would not go into the somewhat redundant discussion about
>what Native Americans should be (generically) called (and where they "really"
>came from; issues of this sort are a constant in the fate of almost any
>minortiy and are really of racist inspiration in one way or another), I think
>that it is about time the Natives would begin to systematically encourage
>the use of *real* names of various Native nations and groups. Why
>complying with Apaches, Cheyennes, Iroquois, Navajos, Sioux... that
>are the heritage of europocentric past and that most people worldwide associate
>with Cooperian fiction and Holywood stereotypes?

>I simply think that peoples should be referred to by the name they themselves
>use - and that by insisting on Native names in public life, Native Americans
>could bring about more than just a symbolic change in Nonative
>attitudes towards the Natives.

>Best greetings,

>Irena Sumi
>Institute of Ethnic Studies
>Ljubljana-Slovenia
>irena.sumi@uni-lj.si

It is for much these reasons the Navajo Nation has officially changed its
name to the Dene' Nation.  Maybe everybody else will follow suit...who knows?

Peace,

Agv'nige Wohali
(Jim Forsyth)
cherokee@cscns.com

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: Dana Numkena <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!asuvm.inre.asu.edu!ASDMN>
Subject: American Indians in Clinton cabinet?
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 04:41:35 GMT

Original-Sender: Dana Numkena <asuvm.inre.asu.edu!ASDMN>

    Is there an American Indian in Clinton's cabinet.  I do recall
that Clinton wanted a well diverse group of people in the cabinet that
best represented America.  Oh well, I suppose American Indians are
not that important, or maybe, not part of America.

Dana Numkena
Internet: asdmn@asuvm.inre.asu.edu
Bitnet: asdmn@asuacad
From: "Laura VerMeulen, University Graduate School" <beaver.cs.washington.edu!gnosys!ucs.indiana.edu!LVERMEUL>
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:08:36 GMT

Original-Sender: "Laura VerMeulen, University Graduate School" <ucs.indiana.edu!LVERMEUL>

In regard to the discussion of Northern Exposure... Mary Mihalyi has asked
if we know some information about the Native content of the show, and the
extent to which Native people are involved, etc.  I have had some interest in
the show since I'm Tlingit.  What I know is this:
The show is filmed in a town called Rosyln, Washington which is Southeast of
Seattle, Washington (I think).  Many of the extras in the show are town
residents.  I don't know about the Native people, if they are local or not.
Elaine Miles, and her mother are from Washington.  I do not know which nation
they represent.  They aren't Tlingit.  While a fun idea, tossing tomatoes is
not a new tradition amongst Natives.

The character of Marilyn is a little low key.  Not many of my aunts are that
quiet, nor am I.  That's all.  -Laura Grabhorn

Newsgroups: alt.native,news.groups
From: idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Mike Wilson)
Subject: Proposed 2nd RFD: soc.culture.native
Summary: A test proposal for the upcoming 2nd RFD for a native newsgroup
Keywords: native, new newsgroup
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date:  6 Jan 93 11:41:49 GMT

NEWSGROUP: soc.culture.native
STATUS: unmoderated

CHARTER: soc.culture.native is for the discussion of issues 
relating to native populations throughout the world.  This 
newsgroup is intended to be inclusive, not exclusive, offering
an important site for exchange among native peoples and between
native and non-native peoples.  Topics of discussion will include
such issues as national sovereignty, freedom of religion, 
spirituality, and philosophy.  

--------------------------------------------

Any input about the creation of this newsgroup is welcome
and appreciated.

==========================
Michael Wilson
idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu
==========================

Newsgroups: alt.native
From: mf@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (fusco,marc)
Subject: Re: Not Thunderheart--the other one
Organization: Planet Earth
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 04:19:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.215104.4588@cas.org> mlr21@cas.org (Mary Lee Raines) writes:
>...Thunderheart was a fictionalized account while the other movie
>was a much more accurate account about Leonard Peltier.  What
>was the name of the other movie?  (Sorry, I think I'm getting

  The film is "Incident at Oglala", by Michael Apted (I think I got the 
spelling correct), and also produced and narrated by Robert Redford
(now available on video tape).
  A much more thorough account is found in Peter Mathiasen's (sp?) book 
"In the Spirit of Crazy Horse" (1992 printing). 

mf
Newsgroups: alt.native