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From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Motif for Linux ?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:53:29 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

iranfry@mala.proteus.qc.ca (Ranfry) writes:
> alsaggaf@athena.mit.edu (M. Saggaf) writes:
>>michaelw@mcshh.Hanse.DE (Michael Will) writes:
>>>mcholz@cip.ft.uni-erlangen.de (Marc Holz) writes:

>>>>I'm looking for OSF/ Motif for Linux. Is there anywhere a ftp-Server
or
>>>>should i ask the OSf directly ?
>>>
>>>faq: Have you got the $10.000 for the motif-lizence?

>>Ten bucks? TEN BUCKS? Sure I've got that, and I wouldn't mind spending
>>it on Motif either.

>Ahh, but you see, you Americans are behind the times.  When a number is
>written such, "15.000"  It does NOT mean fifteen, but fifteen thousand.
>"15,00"  means fifteen.

>With the metric system, used everywwhere except in the states, the comma is
>used to separate whole numbers from fractions.

Really?  I didn't know this convention was part of the metric system.
I'm all for converting to the metric system, but there's no way in hell
I'm going to start writing my numbers with the comma as the decimal
seperator, the usage of the period as a decimal seperator is just too
deeply ingrained into my subconscious for it to be changed.  And I do
know the country I came from (China) uses metric units for measurement
but numbers still use the period for decimal seperator.

Anyway this is a little off-topic, so let me get back to the original
point.  Last I heard (was a few months ago), OSF was charging $1000
for an education site source license, the price probably have changed
now (someone said $2000).  But if users want it bad enough we can pool
our money together to buy it and let someone knowledgeable to do the
development, I don't know how feasible this is (probably not very), 
but it's a thought.

Having the Motif widget set would definitely be a big plus, one big
gripe I have with X11 is the lack of consistency, most users who come
from a Windows or OS/2 PM background could easily be confused, since
much of Motif is based on IBM CUA (from which Windows and OS/2 PM is
based), it would provide a more smooth transition for them.  I think
all the big players (except Sun) like IBM, HP, DEC are moving towards 
Motif.

-- Nan
From: Jim.Corbett@f35.n152.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Corbett)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Hello Newboy here!!! Warning!!
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 10:46:02 -0800

 >
 > Well I would like to get into using Linux. Where might
 > some one get  started from scratch?? Are the files
 > FREQ able?? If I have a Empty 40Meg  HD will that be
 > enough? I have used unix some what and would like to
 > have  somthing like that here at home. If anyone can
 > help me out that would be  great.

40 meg will do if you do not install X or TEX.

You can freq LNXBBS.LST, LNXFILES.ZIP from 1:152/35 @fidonet.
Or LINUX.ZIP from 1:343/34 @fidonet.

CAUTION: if you get started using Linux, you will be hooked!
(X is nice!  May I suggest another 40 meg if you want to get real
serious about using Linux, plus I reccomend 4 meg to 16 meg of mem)

 * Origin: Intermittent Connection, Eugene OR 503-344-9838 (1:152/35)

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: almesber@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Werner Almesberger)
Subject: Re: LILO, D: and DOS: When?
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:33:12 GMT

In article <C1EA8p.9IJ@unix.portal.com> dstein@shell.portal.com (Doug A Stein) writes:
> Does anyone know if and when LILO will be capable of supporting booting DOS
> from drive D:?

As soon as I find a reference that describes or uses the necessary
mechanism. Setting up DL and patching the boot sector doesn't seem
to be enough. (make dos_d.b  generates a chain loader that does
this.)

- Werner
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From: hosp@hoedur.uni-paderborn.de (Holger Spangardt)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: nethack 3.0 for Linux
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:26:37 +0100
Organization: Universitaet Paderborn, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: hoedur.uni-paderborn.de

Hello Linuxers out there,
I wanna compile nethack 3.0 under linux and have some special problems.
BTW the sources I use seem to be hacked, because there were 2 versions of
monst.c in it and no one was working, because of wrong #ifdef-#endif relation.
Several sourcefiles seemed to be changed without the corresponding changes in
pm.h.
My questions are:
1. Is there a runnung system out there and where can I get the sources?
2. In the ioctl.c file following defines have to be set to get the magic
   numbers:
   TIOCGLTC
   TIOCSLTC
   Are there just different names for these numbers under Linux?
   Or Does anybody know the magic numbers to be entered in the termios.h?
   Or do I really need these values?
Up to this point compiling makes no problems. If someone is interested in the
working system (I hope I'll make it) the sources can be found on:
athene.uni-paderborn.de or 131.234.2.32
I'll post or mail the needed diffs.

hosp@uni-paderborn.de
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: elmar@gulasch.hanse.de (Elmar Folba)
Subject: Re: Fair Price for Linux, or, Here We Go Again
Keywords: I'd better not give any
Organization: Spare-time Hacker, Hamburg, Germany
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 20:16:21 GMT

In article <1381@dsbc.icl.co.uk> KID01 <mat@dsbc.icl.co.uk> writes:
>In article <FOX.93Jan18140317@graphics.nyu.edu> fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) writes:
>...
>I think Linux should (and could) be offered by people who have access to
>it to people who don't have access to it for cost prices only. (Disks, etc)
>Thus possibly allowing the widespread use of the OS to possibly double, if
>not more! I never liked people making money from other's hard work.
>...
Folks, this has been discussed too often already (only two months ago we had
this in Germany, and I can't remember how often in the net as a whole).
Please remember that anybody may, without acting unethically, offer anything
at any price (s)he sees fit, as long as people are not forced to buy,
or cheated into buying.
And all of us are free to offer Linux at the same or a cheaper price.



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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: marcf@nexus.yorku.ca (Marc G Fournier)
Subject: Re: ps 99.2 source?
Organization: York University, CS Dept. Toronto
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:44:58 GMT

In article <C1Gx2M.6t@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil> dsc3pzp@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Philip Perucci) writes:
>I saw in a posting that there is a tar of ps for linux version 0.99pl2.
>Can't find it on tsx/sunsite though.  Anyone seen it?
>
	There is ps-0.99.tar.Z .. I just compiled it on 0.99pl4 without
any problems

marc

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: dnorris@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dick Norris)
Subject: Re: VGA Problem, Ickkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:29:39 GMT

	Check your ' profile ' file; edit it with vi/elvis.
From: root@slave.uwe.ac.uk (Operator (Phil/Dylan))
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Networking with net-src-0.2
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:42:29 GMT
Reply-To: p_copela@csd.uwe.ac.uk
Organization: The New University in the West of England, Bristol (WEB)

In article <1993Jan18.090750.5245@aixrs0.hrz.uni-essen.de>,
hank@informatik.uni-essen.de (Hendrik G. Seliger) writes:
|> sgccsns@citec.oz.au (Shayne Noel Smith 2245702) writes:
|> : 
|> :   When telneting (or anything) to the Linux box from a Sun Sparc 2
|> :   it takes for ever for the connection to be established.  It does
|> :   eventually get there but sometimes after 45 Seconds..
|> : 
|> 
|> Is this in the FAQ??
|> 
|> It's a problem of the named. It disappears if your name server is
|> set up correctly (like using that nice Sparc you're connecting to
|> as a nameserver; works for me).

it's not really a problem as such, just configuration, what is happening
here is that your telnet is attempting to resolve the ip address from
a non existant nameserver (cos named isn't running/badly configed) and
then, after timing out it checks through the /etc/hosts file

It's in the FAQ (somewhere!), which is temperarily in the hands of 
Matt Welsh while I sit out a week and do mid sessionals.

Phil
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From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Subject: Re: Freeze up on X
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:15:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.002154.17904@novell.com> dvogt@novell.com (David Vogt) writes:
>
>I have had a number of problems with X freezing when pushed too hard.
>I have 16M ram + 16M swap and have experienced lockups when swap approachs
>0k.

Yes - apart from the bug in pl3 which did result in some lockups for
some people, there is actually a problem when swap-space is exhausted
(or nearly so).  It's not something I have put a lot of thought in: it's
hard to handle gracefully, and my general opinion has been "add more
swapspace" (yes, it's possible to have more than 16MB swap even with the
current kernel: you'll just have to spread it out over several
swap-areas) or just "don't do that then" :)

When swap-space is completely exhausted, linux usually handles memory
management pretty badly: it *should* actually kill off a couple of
processes eventually to free up some memory, but the keyword here is
"eventually".  I've gotten reports that it can take up to an hour before
linux decides to kill off processes due to lack of memory, and even then
the processes killed are essentially random (ie it could be the X
server).  So it's best to try to avoid the "out of memory" problem
entirely, and not count on linux working without enough mem. 

		Linus
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: emelton@iat.holonet.net (Edwin Melton)
Subject: SLS not booting??
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:04:50 GMT

Hey there,
	I have downloaded the SLS package, and have gotten it to work on
my friends machines, but I cannot get it to run on mine.

	Here's the problem:
	When I boot the system from the floppy, I get the screen as follows:

Loading.
@X:0204
AX:0204
BX:0000
CX:0006
DX:0000.......................................................................
................................
Press <RETURN> to see SVGA-modes available or <SPACE> to continue.

	Then when I press the space bar, my computer cold boots, and
repeats the previous scenario, until I remove the root disk, and boot to DOS.

	Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance.


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From: probreak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (James Michael Chacon)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Trident 8900
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:54:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: matt.1k6p8tINNdh7
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

THEM OR US <T337@music.mus.polymtl.ca> writes:

>I was told that X11 would not work with a Trident 8900 card and that
>you needed the Trident 8900C. Is this true? If not, how can I make X11
>work with my 8900 (I keep getting ** None of the configured devices was
>detected **)

The next release of X which should be out in a week or two has support
for the trident 9000 chipsets. If it won't recognize your 8900C, try adding
the next line to your Xconfig file:

Chipset tvga

James
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: zundel@cc.gatech.edu (Eric Zundel Ayers)
Subject: Solution! serial tty's respawning
Summary: use /bin/getty -h 
Reply-To: zundel@cc.gatech.edu (Eric Zundel Ayers)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:50:40 GMT

We, like many others, have been trying to get serial logins
to work with SLS (99pl2). We have been trying to use a null modem
cable to hook a hard-wired terminal to the other end. 
Finally, I got it right. 

Astrologically divined explanation of the error:

The "respawn" option tells init to start a new getty process if 
one dies... That means that If you have a connection,
it dies, init tells getty to re-start: it has a connection, it dies; 
init tells getty to  restart.... you get the picture.


The solution is to use the -h option, which keeps the
getty process from dying when you have a connection that
is already open.   

so my serial line entry for inittab looks like:
c6:6:respawn:/bin/getty -h 9600 ttyS1

Yay! it woiks!

Eric.
Eric Z. Ayers
zundel@cc.gatech.edu
Graphics, Visualization, and Usability Center (GVU)
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA 30213 USA
From: spcberto@psyche.spc.uchicago.edu (Robert Osterlund)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Oops!  My mistake.  Got LILO working!
Keywords: LILO
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:19:17 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago, SSPPCC

In article <1993Jan27.053943.23311@midway.uchicago.edu> spcberto@psyche.spc.uchicago.edu (Robert Osterlund) writes:
>According to the LILO Version 0.8 documentation, the LILO boot sector
>can't be stored on the second hard disk.  This is unfortunate, since I
>have pretty good reasons for placing my primary Linux file system
>partition on the second disk.  Is there any hope that this limitation
>might be removed?  (If not, it looks like I will have to give up on LILO
>and continue booting Linux from floppy disk.)
>
Thanks to all the people who e-mailed and set me straight.  I've now got
LILO running exactly the way I want it.  My setup:

	/dev/hda1 -- 20 MB (unStacked) DOS system partition
	/dev/hda2 -- 30 MB Linux user partition
	/dev/hdb1 -- 40 MB Linux root partition
	/dev/???? -- 127 MB (Stacked, effectively ~250 MB) DOS/Windows
                     partition on a Quantum Hardcard (any hope someone
                     might write a driver for this so I can access this
                     from Linux?)

LILO boots Linux by default, unless I hold down shift (etc.) and tell it
to load DOS (or whatever).

The LILO docs *are* technically dense and require more than one reading.
I was anxious about taking the LILO step and jumped to conclusions.

At first I tried installing using QuickInst, but it kept complaining about
some unknown problem.  (I subsequently discovered that it was invoking
the old install script, and that the 'make install' had not copied
install.new into the /etc/lilo directory.)  Then I tried a manual
installation ala section 7.3 of the LILO 0.8 docs.  It suggested doing a
test on a floppy disk first.  This I did, and booting from the floppy
resulted in a kernel panic.  "What the heck," I said as I plunged right
into the for-real hard drive installation.  It worked perfectly.

So, the moral of the story is to read the docs until you think you
understand them, then read them again.  Also, if you take the proper
precautions (back up both the MBR and the rest of the disk, for that
matter), JUST DO IT!

Incidentally, it's been a good week for me, Linux-wise.  Last weekend I
installed Xmono with little trouble--after wasting a day trying unsuccess-
fully installing Xcolor last month--and got a kick out of running all the
X stuff, ghostscript especially, on my little 'ol 386SX.  Before X, Linux
was just a platform to do office work at home on.  (We use HP, Sun, and IBM
systems at work.)  With X, Linux takes on a whole new character.  More
than just a hacker's OS, this thing has the potential to be a viable
alternative to DOS, OS/2, etc., IMHO.

So, thanks again, guys, for making my day!  And special thanks to
Werner Almesberger and Matt Welsh.

Bob Osterlund
berto@clio.spc.uchicago.edu
SSPPCC--University of Chicago
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: reward@eos.ncsu.edu (Robert E. Ward)
Subject: SLS installation problems
Followup-To: poster
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:14:42 GMT

    Ok,  disclaimer.  Yes I've read the FAQs and every scrap of
information I could find,  including all the postings before this
one.  I've set all the right jumpers and checked cacheable settings.
(read: as far as I know)

    I cannot get SLS 1.0 to like my ST02.  I have an AMD 386/40 64K
cache with 8M RAM,  a paradise SVGA with 512K and the HD is a ST296N.
I've got 60M of space on there ready and willing to accept Linux!!!!

When booting,  I get the message:

> WD8013 not found at i/o = 280

any ideas?

    When booting from the conventional Linux .99pl4,  there are no
problems with my SCSI device.  I would install that way,  but the
simplest SLS way sounds soooo much easier.  If I could get the raw
way explained a little better,  I would do that,  but as it stands,
I'm confused why SLS isn't kicking in.

    PLEASE email personal mail.  I hesitated sending this post,  and
would hate to swap comp.os.linux if I'm rowing the wrong way.

-rob

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From: fwilson@space.bu.edu (Frank D. M. Wilson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Where can I find graph(1G) ?
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:18:24 GMT
Organization: Information Technology, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: fwilson@space.bu.edu


Has anyone ported vanilla unix graph(1G) to linux, and if so
where can it be found ?  I tried an archie search for the source
but the results were very confusing - lots of Mac or DOS programs
with the same name, but nothing unix-like in sight.

And yes, I do know about xgraph and gnuplot. I just also have a
specific need for the vanilla graph program.

Please email - I'm not able to keep up with the volume on this
group.  Thanks.

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From: cs89rdb@brunel.ac.uk (Roger D Binns)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Pt 1/2: linux 0.98 c++ st
Date: 25 Jan 93 16:08:38 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Paul Caffrey (Paul.Caffrey@f15.n229.z1.fidonet.org) wrote:
: I can't get the c++ stream io implementation of the 0.98 linux SLS
: distribution
: working.

: The following program(cout.c):
: fails to compile (g++ cout.c) with the following message:

: cout.o: Undefined symbol _cout referenced from text segment
: cout.o: Undefined symbol operator<<(ostream &, const char *) referenced
: from
: text segment

With gcc 2.3.3 this happens.  If you give the -nojump switch to gcc it goes
away.  This implies that c++ iostreams are NOT part of the jump table
libraries, although they are part of the classic shared libraries.

Is there any reason for this, other than historical?

Roger
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From: vds7789@aw2.fsl.ca.boeing.com (Vincent D. Skahan)
Subject: Re: SLS bug: a4 updates
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:44:21 GMT

pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald) writes:

>Well I am writing this from the console after doing a minimal
>install of SLS, which kind of eliminates the possibility that
>SLS is broke.

'broke' is a relative term.

if you mean your master copies of everything install and run ok,
then I understand.

>Anyways, I have fixed them all except bin.tpz, which I will
>do tomorrow (tuesday) morning (to big to do tonite).

>Look for them there, then download the whole a4 disk again.
>I guess this goes to show, to many changes in to little time
>is not a good thing.

it also goes to show that there is a DEFINITE need for some 
method of identifying a version number for each and every kit
and doc file in SLS, so that we can positively identify where
our local configurations have drifted out of synch from your
master ('not broke') configuration.

please...please...please...

Come up with something to help us not get this frustrated
forever...

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: blevins@athena.mit.edu (Matthew R B Conway)
Subject: Xfree86 on a S3 Local bus video card
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:24:04 GMT

Is there anyway to X running on a S3 chipset?  I have a S3 Local bus video
card with a CTX 1560 Proscan monitor.  I cannot even get Xmono to work.
Anyone have any suggestions? 

Matt Conway
blevins@athena.mit.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: andreas@euler.fernuni-hagen.de (Andreas Kaulfuss)
Subject: Arcnet and Linux
Organization: FernUniversitaet Hagen
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 11:00:16 GMT

Hi!

Does anyone know, how to use Arcnet under Linux?

I want to build an ArcNet network, but I don't know, how to install it
under linux.

Please help me.

Ciao

  Andreas


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From: 890025d@dragon.acadiau.ca (Andy DeWolfe)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: SLS won't install disks a3 and up; why not?
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:32:10 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

buchanan@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (BUCHANAN TIMOTHY E) writes:

>There really does seem to be something wrong w/ the SLS sysinstall, perhaps
>because of the new compress format? I don't know, but here is what happens-

>doinstall asks for diska2 and installs bin,faq, and shlibs. Then it asks for
>disks a3 and so on. It takes no install action on each, simply asking for the
>next disk. The boot disk it creates at the end will not work. Afterwards,
>commands such as ls won't work either.

>Tx,
>Timothy. 

I had a different problem, but it happened at the exact same place.
I was getting Invalid header info messages with each package.  Everything
is the same as you describe.  (Note:  I got my copy of SLS from sunsite
this week)
-Andy

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