From: anon-1395@twwells.com (tigger)
Newsgroups: alt.sexual.abuse.recovery
Subject: Re: response to ed
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:17:41 GMT
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  enigma@netcom.com holly writes:
>  fields@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Matthew Fields) writes:
>>  somebody else writes:

>>REALITY CHECK time...

>>>I support Anika here; I distinctly remember it: "LISTEN UP, YOU DIPSHITS"

>>I've not been following any of this discussion.

>>But I got a little time on my lunchbreak and asked my newsserver to do
>>a string search backwards from today to the first archived article
>>(20 October).  First I asked for a search on "dipshit", not case sensitive,
>>and got only the meta-references here.
>>Then I tried "shit" and got all those plus a host of other articles on
>>unrelated topics.
>>Then I tried "Carp" and got the first list plus a bunch of other messages,
>>which I skimmed but couldn't find any phrase like this.

>>So either this phrase wasn't in public news in the last month, or it
>>wasn't in this newsgroup, or the post has been cancelled, or my search
>>methods are faulty.
 
>Yeah, I did a search too and didn't find anything.  Trouble is, I
>remember the post being more than a month ago, probably more like two,
>or maybe even three.

argh!  i guess sometimes it helps not being able to read the
articles - too emotionally painful even without any childhood
memories...

i am posting the entire article, that way, what was posted won't
be taken out of context.  to tell you the truth, i haven't been
following this entire thread, because confrontation makes me
anxious.  i am not taking sides, in fact, i don't know if i liked
posting this (it means getting involved in to put it bluntly, a fight),
but i figured better the actual words than people's perceptions of what
the words were.

nervously,
tigger 
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From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: mpd
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:49:30 GMT

Suki (blaze@westmark.Stanford.EDU) wrote:

: In article <1992Sep30.213456.24153@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
: >Uh, "cult abuse"?  I wasn't aware that this was at all the case - the stats
: >I've seen say that "cult abuse" and such are very rare, except in the minds
: >of those who either have an axe to grind or have something to gain from running
: >around screaming "The Satanists are everywhere!"
: 
: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARH!!!!!!  Sorry, I just had to get that off of
: my chest.  
: 
: 	I'm trying to figure out how to say this without going into serious
: rage here.  You just pushed a button.  ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE BEEN 
: SEXUALLY ABUSED SHOULD BE BELIEVED!!!! Excuse my yelling, but statements
: like "except in the minds..." piss me off, because they further disbelief,
: and HURT those who have heard that the abuse was not real.  

<sigh> Here we go again... OK, DIPSHITS, LISTEN UP!  STOP FUCKING YELLING AT
ME AND RE-READ WHAT I POSTED!  Goddamnit, I'm getting real fucking tired of
watching myself and others get their shit jumped because *you* go off half-
cocked and get a button pushed and think it's OK to flame away.  Well, it's
time for *me* to flame!

Re-read what I posted.  Did I say that any survivors were making anything up?
Nope.  Did I *imply* that survivors were making anything up?  Nope.  There
*are* people out there that are exploiting "cult abuse" - like there are folks
behind every tree and rock just waiting to ritually abuse you and your kids
in some sort of horrible satanic rite.    Sorry, folks, but it just ain't so.
Sure, "cult abuse" exists, but it's much rarer than some would have you believe.
As for "well, hey, I know a cult abuse survivor", I submit to you that given
the large readership of asar, you *will* find several folks that have been
abused by a "cult".

You know, if you really want an education as to how the media is blowing this
whole thing right out of proportion, you ought to wander over to alt.pagan
sometime.  Get educated.  Look up the stats.  Talk to the *real* experts in
the field, the ones who have done years of study and research in the field.

Get your facts straight before you want to jump on the "holy asar bandwagon"
of "someone thinks someone implied something - let's go get 'em!".  That shit is
for little kids.


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