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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Killing your neighborhood vampire
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:30:07 GMT

In article <is51195@pro-amber.cts.com> rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki) writes:
>In <1992Sep27.200854.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>
>bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>>
>>>>Complete immersion in running water.
>> 
>>> How come?  I never heard this before.
>>
>>I have no idea why, but this is a way to kill a vampire, at least
>>one used by Hollywood.  ("BOO, HISS!"  "Hey, I like movies!")
>>
>>I think it was a Christopher Lee vamp film where he was walking across
>>an ice covered river, and the hero short a few holes in the ice.  Lee
>>dropped into the running river, to his death.
>>
>
>You're right. It was in a Christopher Lee film where this method was
>employed. Thats about the only place that I have seen or heard of it.
>
>
>ProLine:  rsopicki@pro-amber
>Internet: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com
>UUCP:     crash!pro-amber!rsopicki


Actually, the thing about moving/running water is quite old.  (no sources
to quote here)
It was kind of a boundary marker/fence for the vamp, across which he/it/she
could not travel.  The movies took advantage of it.

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From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: TALAMASCA
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:52:16 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

    I've read nearly all of Anne Rice's books (and loved every one, except for
"The Witching Hour".  He deserved better.  I hope there's a sequel.), and there
was one solid subplot that connected each one, in one way or another:
    The Talamasca. 
    I was wondering if it, or an organization like it, truly exists in the 
"quote/unquote" REAL world.  And if it does, could someone somehow get and 
forward to me some information about it?   It truly interests me, and since 
most fiction is based on fact, one never can tell if such a group  might exist 
or not. 
    Plus, is Anne Rice thinking of divulging some of the stories and reports
stored within their vaults in the near future, as she did in 
"The Witching Hour"?  Maybe something like "Journals of the Talamasca/
Watchers in the Shadows" (or "The Watchers In Shadow") 
    Also, is she thinking of expanding on the Chronicles of Ramses the Damned
anytime soon?  

    JCD


 

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: beeler@acs.ucalgary.ca (Karin E. Beeler)
Subject: lilith
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 05:29:27 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
Keywords: Lilith, Bible, vampire?


Glenn Peirce writes that the Bible mentions Lilith, a vampire. This
statement, however, is not entirely correct. Biblical concordances,
for example, do not list the name Lilith. Furthermore, Gershom
Scholem, author of _Kabbalah_ states that there is only one
reference to Lilith in Scripture (Isa. 34:14). She is "among the
beasts of prey and the spirits that will lay wast the land on the day
of vengeance" (Scholem, 356). (The King James Version of the
Bible only mentions these beasts and not the name Lilith.) The
legends of Lilith appear primarily in Midrashic literature and
present Lilith in various guises. She is Adam's first wife, a demon,
a seducer of men, and a strangler of babies. Does this make her
a vampire, however? Peirce also links Lilith to Lucifer (Satan).
Some qualification is required here as well. According to the
Zohar, Lilith is the mate of Samael, the kabbalistic equivalent of
Satan. I would urge anyone else interested in the multiple faces of
Lilith to consult Scholem's _Kabbala_ for an excellent scholarly
approach to the subject. For a literary treatment of this figure, see
George Macdonald's fantasy novel, _Lilith_.
From: v079ql9q@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I got a Catholic Block.....)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire rpg
Date: 26 Sep 92 05:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep18.141503.7613@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes...
>In article <1992Sep16.021342.6820@usl.edu>, cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G) writes:
>> In article <8k!zlaj@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
>>>	The Vampire RPG has a novel interpretation of vampire lore.  All
>>>	Vampires are descendents of Cain who are forced to relive Cain's
>>>	sin of murder.  The Bible does mention that all Cain's progeny 
>>>	will bear his mark (the vampiric curse) and says *somthing* about
>>>	immortality.  Also, their vampires are not killed by a stake but
>>>	only held immobile. Holy stuff has no effect, the only ways to
>>>	kill them is fire, sunlight, or severe physical damage (tossing one
>>>	into a log mulcher!). 
>> 
>> You can go back a bit further, if you want:  I've seen some suggestion that
>> it goes back to Lillith.  (first wife of Adam, in some accounts)
>                  ^^^^^^^
> 
>I'm sure Fraser will be glad to hear that ;-)
>I've never heard this one, can anyone out there explain/elaborate?
>Mike 

Three cheers for Mike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Long live Caine!!!!!!!!!!!   

Later-

Shane  (a happy roleplayer who happens to like the game)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: "no such thing" (was: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 04:07:04 GMT


I think a correction in this thread might be made 
for the sake of the scientific method.
While we  may not believe that vampires exist
we only can say that is our HYPOTHESIS.  Granted, all evidence is pointing 
towards the non-existance of their 'powers' all we can say, therefore, is
that they likeley do not exist.  

To state that, no matter what, vampires do not exist, is to display the
same superstition that 'rational types' discarded about 300 years ago!


-- 
Brent L. Irvine					"Dyslexics of the World
irvine@decwa.ece.uiuc.edu			UNTIE!"		- Kral Mrax
From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Iman
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:12:35 GMT
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Sep27.114951.7802@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <acgzj=b@rpi.edu>, battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
>> *Funny, I can't remember the name of the tribe, but I *just* read a book that
>> *mentions a tribe of fair skinned, fair haired, blue eyed Africans. No kidding.
>> *Anyone know the name of the tribe?
>> 
>> *Mike
>> 
>> 
>> There is a large tribe of them in South Africa, but nobody likes them.
>
>Nonono that isn't what I meant ;-). The tribe is in the NORTH of Africa, and 
>they are apparently indigenous. I can't remember the name of the book, but I 
>*do* remember the passage.
>
>
>Mike

	North Africa is whitemanland, and has been so for as long
as history records.  Carthage, the Vandal Empire, etc.
From: kat@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: I'm Curious...
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:05:59 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


I was at the book store tonite and I found a couple of books that looked 
interesting, but I wasn't sure if I should buy them or not.  Perhaps 
someone here could shed some light on the matter.

Both books were collected short stories that included Stephen King, Clive
Barker, Poe, Stoker, etc....

The first one (it's late, so hopefully I'll remember the title correctly...)
is something like 'The Mega Book of Vampires'.  I don't think that's the
exact title, but if you've read it, you'll probably know what I'm talking
about.

The second one was, 'I shudder at your Touch'.  It had a neat cover design and 
was more a collection of horror stories instead of just vampires like the
first one I mentioned.

Also - Has anyone read 'Vampires Among Us'?  I'm sorry that I don't know who
it's by.  It has something to do with modern day vampires.

On a totally different note... 

I have recieved numerous replies to my question on comic books.  Please keep 
them coming. If I get a big enough list, I'll post it.  If anyone is interested
in seeing what I have so far, E-mail me and I'll send you what I have...

Finally...

Does anyone know of any REALLY good bookstores in the Eastern Mass. area that
sells books on the Occult, Witchcraft, Folklore, Etc..?  I'm mainly looking
for used/antique sellers, but if you know of one that isn't, but it's still 
good, please pass it along.

I know... I haven't posted for a while and when I do, I take up tons
of bandwidth with many questions that are all totally unrelated.  Sorry...
it's been a long week....

kat
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From: kat@wpi.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Help with "Tale of theBody Thief"
Date: 30 Sep 1992 01:01:06 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Sep29.182503.24127@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> cdonnahee@mta.ca writes:
>I'm looking for more info. on the affore mentioned book.
>Is this a new book[duh!].If so.How recent is it.And where can I get it.
>
It will be available mid October (depending on what stores are near you.) 
It will actually be released from the publisher on Halloween.  Some stores get
early shipments for promos though.

kat
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 			  your nature than in mine?" 
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Coppola's Dracula
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:50:43 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>I just spoke to the unit publicist for Coppola's Dracula yesterday who 
>told me many interesting things:

>They are still editing it,it is not even finished!

Not unusual for a Coppola movie.

>They are going to be releasing the Dracula Fashion Line,overseen by the 
>product developement consultant,Terry Melville, due in stores in 
>November.

Oh, JOY! :-(
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From: yousten@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Ken Yousten)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: foreVER NIGHT
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:55:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

shayden@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Sean Lee Hayden) writes:
>dave_lutz@vnet.ibm.com (Dave Lutz) writes:
>>It's part of CBS's CrimeTime after PrimeTime and comes on Tuesday nights
>>at midnight (EST, sorry).

Not this simple, as this attests:

>Is this some kinda net gag?  I have scowerd the television for the past week
>hoping to see it!  All i see in the guide is:
>
>[deleted]
>
>That is the whole lineup.....So where do Forever Night fit in?

Local affiliates often change the late-night line-ups.  the Champaign CBS,
for instance, chooses not to show Crimetime after Primetime, putting some
tabloid news shows instead.  Yours seems too do the same, that makes you
out of luck.

*If* FN is on, it will *probably* be on CBS sometime late Tuesday nights.
Times may vary according to affiliates' whims.
--
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 15:48:07 GMT


>In article <fletch.718043897@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:
>>	I am more than mentally equipped to deal with impossibilities.  In
>>my physics classes, I enjoy trying to prove theories of time travel.  Because,
>>unlike vampires, time travel is a definite possibility.  It CAN exist in our
>>world.  We know of phenomena, such as wormholes, that PROVE time travel is 
>>possible in some format or another.

It's not possible to hypnotise people?  
 
It's not possible to get sustanance from blood?
 
It's not possible to be sensitive to the sun?  
 
It's not possible to hallucinate the transformation to bat or wolf?
 
It's not possible to have an extremely slowly aging physical body?
 
All are as probable (or more so) than wormholes, black holes or time
travel (which I happen to believe in also).  
 
...e

>Huh? What universe are >you< living in, eh?
>Black Holes are still considered theoretical, and you're 'proving' the existance
>of wormholes? Proving the existance of time travel?

>Have you published any of these shattering theories or are you just going to
>sit on them for now?
>r.
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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: brant@seq.uncwil.edu (AT-Dreamer)
Subject: Vamps before X-ianity
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:10:56 GMT

Many old Hunting cultures believed if you drank the blood of
the prey you would get it's strength.  May be this would account
for some of the Vamp. stuff.

just a thougH
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From: kuvamp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: RE: Vampire RPG
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:38:45 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


The Vampire RPG is being discussed on the Vampire mailserver, to subscribe,
mail to:

	Vampire-request@math.ufl.edu

and to post, the mail address is:

	Vampire@math.ufl.edu

WARNING:  This can be a HEAVY traffic list!! (earlier this week, I was off for
two days, and came back to 76 mail messages, all from the List!)

Just thought ya'd like ta know....

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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng)
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:04:05 GMT

uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!) writes:

>In <1992Oct1.164836.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:

>>In article <453@asylum.UUCP>, quark@asylum.UUCP (I think I know you.) writes:

>>> Dracula was based on somone who had a penchant for putting people on stakes 
>>> to prove points (so to speak).  It was penned by a victorian actor, if my 
>>> memory serves me right...

>>I don't know if Stoker was an actor, but he was the agent of one of the 
>>best known British actors of that time.  Irving was his name I believe.

>Sir Henry Irving I believe his name was.  The character of Count Dracula was
>probably loosely based on Vlad the Impaler (to prove points?  He did it for
>pleasure!), but I think the book was a commentary on the time period 
>(Victorian) and what was going on at the time (feminism, etc.).

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Bram Stoker was the business manager for Sir Henry Irving. Stoker was a
British writer. He wrote many other supernatural-type books i.e. The White
Worm.  He wrote _Dracula_ as a sequel to a horror story by Joseph Sheridan
Le Fanu. I don't remember the name of the story by Le Fanu, but it may have
been "Schalken the Painter". In this story, a woman is seduced by a living
corpse.

Tracey
From: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Anne Rice's New Book
Date: 6 Oct 1992 20:53:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, bohlman@plains.NoDak.edu (Daemon) says:

>Anne Rice's new Vampire Chronicle will be available October 7 in most stores.
>Not, as previously reported, October 31.
>Title is indeed 'Tale fo the Body Thief'.
>
>Surprise!

I just read an interview with Anne Rice in a record review magazine, called
"Review", I think, definitely started with a 'R', it was written
as she was preparing her house for Hurricane Andrew.  Anyway, she mentioned
that the new book concerns a person who is capable of switching bodies
with other people.  That is, their souls can exchange bodies using his
power as a medium.  The book chronicles what happens when Lestat meets
this person, swaps bodies, and experiences life again as a normal human
being.  Sounds quite interesting.

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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez)
Subject: Re: "Nosferatu the Vampyre"
Keywords: Not the old back-and-white great
Reply-To: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez)
Organization: Iowa State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:00:04 GMT

The Science Fiction Book Club is selling
the original Nosferatu tape for $12.50
From: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: TALAMASCA
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:02:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: wxs@po.CWRU.Edu (W.charles Simciak)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, daikerjohnc@bvc.edu () says:

>    I've read nearly all of Anne Rice's books (and loved every one, except for
>"The Witching Hour".  He deserved better.  I hope there's a sequel.), and there

She has finished writing the sequel to "The Witching Hour" entitled, "Lasher",
or whatever the name the name of the mysterious main character. She said it
will be released in October '93. (As you can tell, it's one of her books I've
yet to read.)

>was one solid subplot that connected each one, in one way or another:
>    The Talamasca. 
>    I was wondering if it, or an organization like it, truly exists in the 
>"quote/unquote" REAL world.  And if it does, could someone somehow get and 
>forward to me some information about it?   It truly interests me, and since 
>most fiction is based on fact, one never can tell if such a group  might exist 
>or not.

Probably not, though Anne Rice did mention developing it in some later books.
She said she was interested in making it more mysterious.  Exploring whether
they are truly what they say they are, or something more.  ?????
 

>    Also, is she thinking of expanding on the Chronicles of Ramses the Damned
>anytime soon?  

Certainly, I read that she definitely plans another one, not sure when she'll
be writing it.  It was kind of a must do since she's been reading alot of
Egyptian history books and needs an outlet for the knowledge she's accumalated.
Or as Anne Rice put it, the histrory of Egypt is far more intersting and
adventerous then any stories written about them thus far.  (though I suspect
she intends to correct that :) )

Chuck.

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From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Innocent Blood
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:44:43 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Universite de Moncton

In article <1992Oct1.085756.7885@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
>Subject: Re: Innocent Blood
>Date: 1 Oct 92 08:57:56 -0300

>In article <markus.43.717863735@clement.info.umoncton.ca>, markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN) writes:
>> In article <SPIKE.92Sep24130818@coke.std.com> spike@coke.std.com (Joe Ilacqua) writes:
>>>From: spike@coke.std.com (Joe Ilacqua)
>>>Subject: Innocent Blood
>>>Date: 24 Sep 92 18:08:18 GMT
>> 
>> 
>>>        I saw "Innocent Blood" last night.  The TV ads have made it
>>>look stupid, but I got a free pass, so I went.  It is awesome.  If you
>>>liked An American Werewolf In London, you will like Innocent Blood
>>>(both are directed by John Landis).  It is the same sort of very funny
>>>horror movie.
>> 
>> 
>>       C'mon!!  Do you really think a vawpire can go in a church??  The 
>> wampires in 'Innocent Blood' doesn't have fangs.  They chew their victims' 
>> neck and then suck their blood.  I found the movie stupid.  They're not 
>> vapires.
>> 

>Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but I really liked the movie. True,
>Marie didn't have fangs, but she *did* suck their blood. SHe was just quite a
>bit messier about it than in other vampire movies. Plus the whole "vampire
>in the Church" thing is Christian propaganda; the vampire myth predates 
>Christanity.


	Well, I didn't say that she didn't suck their blood as you can see 
in my message.  She chewed their neck and *then* sucked their blood.

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From: dug@athena.cs.uga.edu (Douglas Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Poppy Z. Brite
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:30:17 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


Just picked up a copy of "Lost Souls" the first novel from 
Poppy Z. Brite, a local author here in Athens, GA.  Just wondered
if anyone else has read it yet.

AWESOME...kudzu gothic...BUY IT...READ IT...LIVE IT

(btw, this book/author made Fangoria's Top 10 list of Vampire Novels
2 months before it was released!)

-dug
From: sundermm@columbia.dsu.edu (MARC SUNDERMEYER)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: slavery
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:20:52 GMT
Organization: Dakota State University


	Are there any female vampires out there who would like to have a 
human slave, something to tourture and snack on but still keep "alive"?

	Sex with a true vampire would be an interesting thing.
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