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From: frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney)
Subject: Re: Caffeine
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:29:57 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Windows/DOS Users Ed Group
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Jul21.173145.24166@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
[deletion]
>
>Caffeine is a weak diuretic.  Its evil actions in this respect are
[deletion]

Weak diuretic though it be, and it's true that a pot of
chamomile tea is decidedly more dehydrating than a pot of
coffee, coffee is also a laxative as I'm sure anyone who's
gone off coffee will testify. When I'm actively dieting, the
number of b.m.'s goes way down for me even with drinking a
couple of doppio lattes a day. I see this as a definite
problem, both in terms of being comfortable and in terms of
long term health (colonic cancer is what I'm thinking about
here). By drinking coffee every day, I'm effectively taking
a laxative every day, something the docs tell people not to
do, and become laxative-dependent to some varying extent. Of
course, if I give up coffee, my system will eventually
adjust, but by that time I will have lost my job (I took up
coffee-drinking after five years of herb tea and Postum au
lait when I came here to work).

I know it's not a pleasant subject, but for me it's an
important one in or out of a diet.

-- 
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
	"Only the mediocre can always be at their best." -- Mencken
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From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Hypnosis
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:51:20 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

When I asked about hypnosis, I was mainly interested in going to
someone that is trained to hypnotize you and doing it that way.  I've
tried the subliminal tapes and self-hypnosis tapes and they didn't
work for me.  It's good to know that they work for some people though!

Perhaps I'll have to try hypnosis and then I can report back.

Kathie
-- 
riggle@adobe.com
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From: casey@osf.org (Noreen Casey)
Subject: Re: Roller Skating for Excersie
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:40:49 GMT

|> >>I know it's free but at my age (over 50) I seem to fall more on the
|> >>streets.  And then I have these big sores on my legs when I go water
|> >>skiing.  But I just might invest in the knee and elbow pads and try
|> >>it around the block a few times.
|> >>
|> >>Fran Peterson

|>  
|> I think an equally crucial piece of protective gear are the
|> WRIST GUARDS.  They've saved my hands LOTS of times.  Until you
|> are going pro, I wouldn't skate without gear.  I sure don't go
|> out without it.  I may look like "Robo-skater", but it reduces
|> that fear factor a lot.>
|> >--
|> >Michelle Manes          |       "What should I be when I grow up?"
|> 
I second that.  I've been blading for two years and I'm
pretty good at it, but last weekend I wiped out on a bad patch of 
pavement in Newport and broke my left wrist.  Obviously, I wasn't
wearing wrist guards. I already bought some to use when
the cast comes off.

BTW, I would recommend that you make sure you have a 
good place to skate - minimal traffic, good pavement, etc, - 
bofore you invest in blades.  Blades are great for people
like Michelle and me who have access to bike paths, but 
if you have to stop a lot to cross streets or slow 
down for bad pavement, you won't get much of a workout.

Noreen Casey
casey@osf.org
Open Software Foundation
Cambridge, MA
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Starting to Exercise: Advice wanted
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 21:38:18 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland


Never say to yourself, "I'm going to do 25 minutes today." Instead,
you exercise until you feel the onset of pain, and then you stop
immediately. Otherwise, you risk injury. This rule holds whether your
physical condition is excellent or poor.

Since your thighs feel sore, you have to wait until soreness has
completely gone before exercising again. Otherwise, you risk
injuring those thigh muscle fibers that are not sore, which now have
to carry the extra workload of those fibers that are sore. This
increases your risk of injury, and it is the basis for why people
should instead do "stress and recovery."

However, if you are 50lbs overweight and physically unfit, you
should not be doing "stress and recovery," anyway. You should
instead be doing "cadence."

Cadence means you pick a light resistance at which you can hold
a steady pace for a duration of time. When 20 minutes is no longer
a challenge, you increase the resistance a little, and try again.
Preferably you'll have a light bead of sweat, meaning your body
temperature is 100-101 deg. F. Breathing should be labored, so
that conversation is somewhat difficult, but nothing more.

Cadence can be done every day if it doesn't make you sore. Its purpose
is to make your heart fit. Stress and recovery can be done no more than
every other day. Its purpose is to build muscle.

Do cadence for a few weeks, until your heart is fit. Then you can
begin stress and recovery, if you want to, but you don't have to.

Also, cross-training in more than one activity, exercising different
muscle groups on different days, is another way to reduce risk of injury.

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From: lgold@callahans.Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold)
Subject: Re: pie!
Organization: /mnt4/lgold/.organization
	<1992Jul21.005658.9363@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1992 09:43:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.005658.9363@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton) writes:
>In article <Jul16.195240.47385@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> pruett@CS.ColoState.EDU (J. L. Pruett) writes:
>>
>>
>>Here's a really simple recipe for a yogurt pie.  It makes a great cool
>>dessert in warm weather.
>>
>>	one pre-packaged graham cracker pie crust
>>	one (8-oz?) container of Cool Whip
>>	two 8-oz yogurts, any variety with fruit on bottom
>>
>>Mix the Cool Whip and yogurt; pour in the pie crust and refrigerate at
>>least one hour.  Enjoy!

>I'm sorry to rain on this parade, but this pie seems like a BAD diet 
>idea.

>Taking the ingredients one by one:

>GRAHAM CRACKER CRUST:  660 calories, 6 g fat
>COOL WHIP:  672 calories, 56 g fat
>YOGURT (DANNON, ANY FLAVOR):  480 calories, 6 g fat

>Eating 1/6 of this pie (the average serving for pies of this type,
>it appears) yields, then:  302 CALORIES, 11.33 GRAMS OF FAT.

Even worse, Cool Whip has more calories than real whipped cream!

Q: How would it come out if you were to use two non-fat aspartame-
sweetened yogurts, 8 oz of VERY CHILLED nonfat milk whipped to a foam,
and 1 package of unflavored gelatin?

--Lynn


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From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: recipe: Dannon muffins
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:43:04 GMT
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853

In article <55396@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> sweeney@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney) writes:
>In article <19920723100323SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) writes:
>>  
>> I got this recipe out of an _American_Health_ magazine the other
>> day.  I admit I haven't tried it yet, but it sounds good.  The
>> recipe claims to be "101 less g. of fat & 421 less mg. of
>> cholesterol" but I don't have the figures for the actual content.
>> Anybody with one of those nifty programs want to figure it up
>> for us???
>>  
>> Dannon Muffins
>> --------------
>> Ingredients:
>> 1-1/2 cups all-purpose flour
>> 3/4 cup sugar
>>  
>> Lite Streusel Variation:
>> Combine 1/3 cup sugar and 1/2 tsp. cinnamon.  Fill muffin cups
>> 1/2 full with batter; place tsp. of sugar-cinnamon mixture on
>> top of each and add batter to fill cups 3/4 full.
>
>For the benefit of new readers who missed the pie flames:
>
>MUFFINS -- of any type -- with any ingredients -- are FATTENING!
>

Whoa!!  That statement is ABSOLUTELY incorrect.  Sure, most bakery-
made muffins contain tons of fat and sugar, but there are other
ways to make a muffin.  I have a bran muffin recipe I got out of a 
Prevention magazine cookbook that has approximately 60 calories,
less than 1 gram of fat, and 4 grams of fiber per cupcake-size muffin.
(If anyone is interested in the recipe, let me know and I'll send
it to you.)

I also remember seeing the Dannon Muffin recipe in a magazine and
the point the Dannon people were trying to make was that they
took a muffin recipe and substituted yogurt for the oil and eggs
and reduced the fat content substantially.  Does that explain
the "less" wording?  I did the same thing with a brownie mix.

    Dorothy

 
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From: abascal@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Liana B. Abascal)
Subject: caffiene
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:41:10 GMT

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 Steve,
   A while ago I heard word of mouth from someone who had researched it
that even though dark roast tastes stronger, it has less caffiene than
light roast;  it has to do with the process in which they roast the coffee.
I'm not positive about this but you might want to look into it.

I thought that caffiene was supposed to be an appetite supressant.  It
was used in diet pills in the past but made people to jittery who weren't
used to it.  That is why new diet pills with different ingredients
advertise that they will not make you jittery.

Does anyone know more about this?

I know that for myself, a diet coke will keep me going a little longer.  I
end up drinking a lot of soda (some with caffiene some without) but I
look at it this way:  if I weren't drinking the soda I would probably be
eating, so I choose the lesser of the two evils.

Happy dieting,
     Liana
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From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: optifast again
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:30:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.120230.20096@newstand.syr.edu>, mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu () writes:
|> I was talking to my friend, M., who is doing Optifast.  She's
|> quite discouraged because of her slow loss.  The first week she
|> lost 7 lbs, next 5 and this week 1.6!  I'm beginning to wonder about
|> something.  They tell you not to exercise, yet she's been riding
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> her bike (stationary) about 5 days/week for 20+ mins.  Since
|> [snip}

Surely this isn't true.  A friend of mine lost 130 lbs on OptiFast (it 
took her from November to August), a few years ago, and they told her 
up front if she wasn't willing to exercise *vigorously* 5-6 times per 
week, she shouldn't bother with the program.  Such severe calorie 
restriction without exercise would cause her metabolic rate to plummet, 
and she'd be wasting her time, effort and money.

This obese friend of mine got in such good condition from all the exercise
she was getting while on OptiFast, she ran in several 1/2-Marathons (13-
mile runs) around the state.

OptiFast may not be for everyone, but my friend is an R.N. and her husband
is a physician (family practice), and they were extremely pleased with the
program, the safety of it, and the results.

Perhaps your friend M. has some physical problem which precludes exercise,
but OptiFast doesn't generally tell people not to exercise.

Jan
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Caffeine
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:34:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.092215.19571@newstand.syr.edu> mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
>
>And doesn't Covert Bailey say that caffine increases fat burning?
>
I don't know (he doesn't index his book - bummer).  But Martin Katahn
does (in T-Factor).  In fact, if I remember correctly, Katahn says
that he typically has a cup of coffee before exercising on an empty
stomach to really increase the "fat burning".

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Exercise Tapes
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:48:05 GMT
Reply-To: jbrown@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Jennifer Brown)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.support.diet, donita@scic.intel.com (Donita Thompson) writes:
>Hi everybody,
>
>My question/request is about exercise tapes. I already have
>Jane Fonda's Total Workout. (It's great if you don't mind
>watching a bunch of skinny cupcakes working out.) I also have
>Kathy Smith's Fat Burning tape. I liked this one, but it got
>kinda boring after 6 weeks. I'd like to know what works for
>you? Can anybody suggest any really motivating tapes?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>Donita



Call 1-800-433-6769.  Collage Video Specialties, Inc.  and ask them
to send you their "Complete Guide to Exercise Videos".  This guide gives
you a brief description of most major exercise videos& individual ratings
from different magazines like Shape, Good Housekeeping and Women's Sports
& Fitness. It indicates Beginner, Intermidate or Advanced and breaks
down the amount of time spent on warm-up, aerobics and cool-downs.
Their prices a little high.  But you can use the guide to choose the
videos you may like and you could perhaps rent them before you bought
them.

Hope this helps!

and GOOD LUCK

Jennifer Brown
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From: mbk@orion.larc.nasa.gov (Melissa B. Koch)
Subject: Jenny Craig (was Re: Nutra System) 
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:01:52 GMT


>My mom went to N/S... spent a fortune and lost 60+ pounds... she looked ill...
>too thin... and then gained it all back in less than 2 years....
>
>I rememeber somebody mentioning Jenny Craig... could you tell me more about
>it?... like how much the food costs per week... they're having a deal right
>now on joining up... $1/lb you want to lose... 
>
>
>Jen


Why not just pick up Jenny Craig's book "What Have You Got to Lose?"
I can't remember exactly what it costs, but I know its less than $20.
I've never been to a Jenny Craig Center, but I've had good success
with just the book.  It emphasizes good nutrition and shows you
how to design your daily meals in order to meet all your nutritional
needs.  It also talks about how to have a more active lifestyle
and addresses emotional aspects and weight maintenance.  Maybe
you could just follow the book and save yourself the money
for a new wardrobe!

Melissa
From: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM (Tammy Roncadori - Administrator Sun Washington D.C.)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Exercise Tapes
Date: 21 Jul 1992 14:59:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: tlr@penguins.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: penguins.east.sun.com

I find that it is best to have several tapes to use.  If you use a different tape
a day you will be less likely to get bored.  I've switched from using the
tapes to using my new NordicTrac.  So far so good.  I like to listen to music
while I workout.  I tried watching television but, that really seemed to
drag on.  A co-worker reads while working out on hers.  I'm not sure how
well that would work for me so I haven't tried it.  Having a different cd
going each time seems to make the time pass pretty fast.

Hope this helps!!


Keep up the GREAT work --


Tammy

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: apte@leland.Stanford.EDU (R Apte)
Subject: Re: pie!
Summary: I eat Ice Cream
Keywords:  pie, icecream
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 22:57:53 GMT

In article <55312@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> sweeney@olivej.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Peggy Sweeney) writes:
>
>  [yoghurt pie recipe deleted]
>
>OK, I give up. What am I missing here? A diet PIE??? How can anyone lose
>weight when they're "desert-ing" on this kind of stuff. 
>
>a year than to continually reinforce some false sense of "deprivation" by
>constantly seeking substitutes.
>
>Peggy Sweeney
>

I've been experimenting with frozen yoghurt recently. Contrary to how
Peggy wants to manage her diet, I quite like substitutes--with a small
bowl of froyo from time to time I have absolutely no problem saying no
to ice cream at all.  True, it's heavy on the sugar, but after a 
brisk 10 miles I can take the simple carbos.  Anyway:

		Frozen Yoghurt

		1 quart Dannon Non-fat yoghurt (or any other pectin-stiffened yoghurt)
		1 pint strawberries, blueberries &c
		2-4 T lemon juice
		1/2 - 1 C sugar

Chop, mash, or otherwise brutalize the fruit.  Mix with lemon juice and 
about 1/2 C sugar and let stand, covered, for a few hours.  Blueberries 
take longer, strawberries only an hour.  Mash the berry mixture again
and add to yoghurt, add sugar to taste.  Freeze according to ice cream
machine's instructions.  You can experiment around with different consistencies
by adding nonfat milk power or water (for that slurpee effect).

enjoy,
raj
From: lmc@duke.cs.duke.edu (Lynn Mueller Canaday)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: optifast again
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:45:16 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Jul22.120230.20096@newstand.syr.edu>, mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu writes:
|> I was talking to my friend, M., who is doing Optifast.  She's
|> quite discouraged because of her slow loss.  The first week she
|> lost 7 lbs, next 5 and this week 1.6!  I'm beginning to wonder about
|> something.  They tell you not to exercise, yet she's been riding
|> her bike (stationary) about 5 days/week for 20+ mins.  Since
|> its not possible to lose more than 2 lbs a week of fat (is this a
|> generally accepted number?  If not, what is?)  I wonder if
|> they tell them NOT to exercise so that they will show a greater
|> loss (muscle)?  Does that make any sense?  
|> 
|> I mean, would you show a smaller loss on the same caloric
|> intake if you were building muscle than if you were very
|> sedentary?  Any ideas on this?
|> 
|> Margot
|> 

Margot, I think your concept is all wrong here.  First the exercise she is
doing is aerobic.  Aerobic exercise will burn calories and tighten
muscle not build muscle mass.  In order to build large muscle mass you
need to do inaerobic exercise for a LONG peroid of time.  A trainer once
told me if you try to build muscle mass "naturally" it will take a year
of weight training to build (gain) four pounds of muscle mass.  I think
they are telling her not to do exercise because they are afraid of
someone killing themselves because of such a low calorie intake.  Also,
I have been told if you are not getting any complex carbs with the
proper protien then you have a greater chance of injury.  Second, I 
think her slow loss is due to the body deprivation theory which is   
when a person goes on these "crash" diets the body recalls this cycle
of loss-gain and loss-gain again and holds onto the weight knowing
soon the dieter will binge and the deprivation will be over.  She is
really doing herself (and her body) in.  I know how she feels.  I am 
sure most of us have been through the same thoughts.  If only I could
loose it all now - then when I am thin I will learn to eat right.
When most of the time you finally get thin after depriving 
yourself for all of those months, and we go crazy eating all those things
we couldn't have during the diet.  Just look at Oprah Winfrey.  Of
course, loosing weight sensibly doesn't garranty you will keep it off.
It only helps to keep your health in tact!  Oh well, this is just
from my experience.  I am sure if people think I am wrong I will hear
about it (Do not flame me personally.  I you have a response POST-IT!)!

Lynn
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From: sasart@hornet.unx.sas.com (Annette Tharpe)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Roller Skating for Excersie
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:13:06 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasart@hornet.unx.sas.com


In article <19920730161301SASTLS@mvs.sas.com>, Tamara Shaffer <SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> writes:
>>From: manes@bass.bu.edu (Michelle Manes)
>>Subject: Re: Roller Skating for Excersie
>>
>>In article <1992Jul29.174306.15763@Cadence.COM> fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson) writes:
>>>>
>>>I know it's free but at my age (over 50) I seem to fall more on the
>>>streets.  And then I have these big sores on my legs when I go water
>>>skiing.  But I just might invest in the knee and elbow pads and try
>>>it around the block a few times.
>>>
>>>Fran Peterson
>>>
>>
>>Yes, do invest in them.
>>Nothing like skating outdoors, but the
>>pads can save you all kinds of pain and suffering.
>>(I've fallen a total of 3 times.  Twice pretty hard.
>>Scratched up those knee pads real bad.  Not a mark
>>on me. :>)
>>
> 
>I think an equally crucial piece of protective gear are the
>WRIST GUARDS.  They've saved my hands LOTS of times.  Until you
>are going pro, I wouldn't skate without gear.  I sure don't go
>out without it.  I may look like "Robo-skater", but it reduces
>that fear factor a lot.
> 
>"A knee is a terrible thing to waste." - Phil Earnhardt
>TAMARA

Don't forget about the most important thing of all--your head.  You
should probably think about getting a bike helmet in addition to the 
other protective equipment.  I know they look geeky, but head injuries 
are no laughing matter.  This is especially important if you will be
skating in traffic as someone else suggested.

-- 
  /\        Annette R. Tharpe, QA Analyst
 /__\_____  SAS Institute Inc.
/    \ |    SAS Campus Dr., Cary, NC  27513
       |    sasart@unx.sas.com
From: ab5y@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ann Bailey)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: RE: Hypnosis - Personal Experience (long)
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:18:59 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Originator: ab5y@palm.cs.Virginia.EDU

From: ab5y@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Ann Bailey)