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From: trevc@mips.com (Trevor Cotton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1
Date: 10 Apr 1992 16:17:55 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems Ltd.
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In article <1992Apr8.231229.21289@rti.rti.org> jbp@rti.rti.org writes:
>
>Yes indeed.  Even as a Williams fan it was a bit boring.  Forrest Bond
>has the most intriguing solution: "...active suspension should be banned
>from F1 effective immediately."   Otherwise Williams will score 256
>points in the 1992 Constructors Championship....... When was the last
>time a 2 car team did this in F1 for the first 3 races of a season?
>Talk about some domination/intimidation!!  At this rate, it will all
>be over for the Constructors and Drivers Championships by Spa.  Do you
>think Frank will put Little Al in for a drive or two after that?
>-- 
>John Posthill  jbp@rti.rti.org

Driving home on the south west section of the M25 the other evening I
passed two of the McLaren trucks returning to Woking. Interestingly,
both trucks were Renaults. Maybe if McLaren took the engines out
of the trucks, and put them in the MP4/7As they might stand a better
chance of catching the Williams'?-)
From: piwsl@dcatla.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Hardees 500 for sale
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:47:01 GMT
Organization: Digital Communications Associates, Alpharetta, GA


	I have 5 tickets to the Hardees 500 in Atlanta for November 15.
The price is $303.00 (cost) and the money has to be in by May 1.
	Wanda
From: dans@rehab2.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Mario, oh Mario.... Anyone home ?!?
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:47:55 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab2.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Distribution: na
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

[ I will mention facts about the IndyCar race in Long Beach (April 12) ]
[ If you havent seen it yet, then hit 'N' now!                         ]



 What the he!! was wrong with Mario?!?   From my view point (the sofa ;-)
and all the replays ABC showed, it sure looked like he just wacked into
the rear of Eddie.  Eddies interview seemed to agree, he was also very
nice and did showed no real anger towards Mario.   On the other hand, when
they interviewed Mario he seemed a bit ticked at Eddie, not to mention his
claim that Eddie moved over on him.   I watched the wreck several times and
never noticed any sharp moves from Eddie, it also appears that the distance
from 'his' left to the wall remained the same.   Is it just Mario or do the
cameras really lie?!?

[ Last chance if you dont know who won... ]



 Way to go Danny!   I fully feel he had the right on that turn and that
perhaps Little Al should use his mirror a bit more.  Thats the way the
it goes...  Kudos to Bobby for hanging tough and squeezeing out a second.

 -Dan
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From: calvin@neptune.UUCP (Calvin Sanders)
Subject: Re: F1 and Indy cars on same circuit [was Re: IndyCar Intl. Oval Series]
Organization: The Jonathan Corporation, Norfolk, Virginia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 04:27:36 GMT

hirose@mrmom.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Hirose) writes:
>In article <1992Mar31.185834.7476@neptune.UUCP> calvin@neptune.UUCP (Calvin Sanders) writes:
>>wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:
>>
>OKAY trivia fans.....

>In 1972 (or maybe 71) there was an invitational race held between F1 and
>F5000 cars on the road course at Ontario Motor Speedway.  The name of the
>event was the Questor (sp?) Grand Prix.  I believe the event was won by
>Jacky Ickx in a Ferrari 312, but I could be wrong.  I know that F5000 and 
>Indy cars of that era were quite different, but I'd guess that the F5000 
>was faster around a road course.  Although the Indy cars did some road racing, 
>it wasn't until the formation of CART that Indy cars took road racing seriously.
>My memory on this one is a little sketchy (gimme a break -- I was only 12yrs 
>old at the time!), so perhaps someone with a better memory could fill in the
>details.  The gauntlet has been thrown..........

Almost correct. Mario Andretti won the race (I have a 1/2 hour show about the
Questor GP on video tape). The fastest F5000 cars qualified 9th I think.
There was much mentioned of the fact that the F1 cars cost about $100K while
the F5000 cars were about $10K a copy. Mark Donahue started moving up
and was actually running 3rd I think when the car broke. He was the quickest
of the F5000 cars. Mario was driving a Ferrari F1 car. Stewart put on a good
drive and I think Jackie Ickx had suspension failure near the end of the
race.
-- 
Calvin Sanders
calvin@neptune
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From: b790zcd@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley)
Subject: Re: Full Course Yellows in F1 Was Re: Mclaren Throttle/Ron Dennis
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:35:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.181355.28036@lsil.com>, mitch@dc49.dc writes...
>In article 5214@gdr.bath.ac.uk, bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:
>>I think that F1 could well learn from the IndyCar scene and introduce
>>full course yellows.  F1 usually has a lot of cranes to clear cars and
>>from the track, at considerable expense.  Thats why there are fewer
>>interruptions to the racing.  If there isn't enough time to clear the 
>>wreckage, the race is red flagged, and you have to start all over again.  
>>Given that most accidents are in the first few laps, a full course yellow 
>>would not have such a drastic effect on the shape of the race.  I would 
>>have thought that the TV companies would appreciate not having to rearrange 
>>their schedules around so many delayed races. Hopefully you would just reduce 
>>the number of red flagged races, and not end up putting out a pace car 
>>every 10 laps.
> 
>I find the fullcourse yellow as one of the worst parts of CART.  It takes
>away from all incentive to build a large lead for sure.  The cranes put
>in place are a considerable expense, but since when has F1 ever been 
>concerned about expense?
>---
> 
>Mitch Sako - LSI Logic Corp	

I don't think that was Andrews point. A full course yellow in F1 could prevent
the kind of nonsense that happened in Belgium during the 90 season. In the
case of red flagging a race vs. yellow flagging the race for a couple of laps
I have to go with full course yellows. In CART, I believe that full course
yellows has had little to none outcome on a single race as well as the
championship. The better driver usually wins and IMHO the better driver would
still win in F1 as well. Uhhmm, let me rephrase that, the better driver in the
better car would win in F1.

George.

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From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: Mansell NOT faster than Senna in 1991
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:25:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.144520.27486@news.clarkson.edu> taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436) writes:
>To summarize:  Mansell had a faster grid time five out of 
>sixteen times but was never 1 sec faster.  Senna, on the other 
>hand, was more than 1 s faster three times and approximately
>half a second faster no less than 7 times.  Perhaps those who
>claim Mansell was faster would like to justify such a view ! :-)

But aren't at least a few courses changed between each season?

The times are only meaningful if the surface and the course stayed exactly 
the same. Even if the course were the same, repaving would make some difference.

        Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada
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From: smb1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Steve Brunton)
Subject: Re: Seen on a tee-shirt...
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:36:48 GMT

In article <9204132310.AA10257@caster.suneng> chapmand@caster.sps.mot.com (David Chapman) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>I saw the following on a tee-shirt during the recent Indycar event at
>Phoenix.
>
>  "I remember when sex was safe and driving was dangerous"
>
>I thought it was funny at the time...
>
>David Chapman
>
>chapmand@asic-atr.sps.mot.com

  Yeah, I've got one of these t-shirts.  The quote on mine is:

  "Remember when SEX was safe, and race cars were dangerous."

The SEX is in red letters while the rest is in black, on a white t-shirt.  
The name of the company that prints them is on the back.  If anyone wants
what I have of the address to the company send me mail.  I'm not sure of
the internet policy of advertising stuff over the net. :)  I believe 
Mr. Davison has seen my shirt up at Road Atlanta once.  <Hi John>  I'll
be at Road Atl. for the IMSA event too the weekend after Easter if anyone
else is going.

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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Full Course Yellows in F1 Was Re: Mclaren Throttle/Ron Dennis
Keywords: RON DENNIS BITES DOBERMAN
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:59:12 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Mar23.172505.1592@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com> wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:
>
>The CART race had two full course yellow early on, just to tow in disabled
>cars!  Sitting and watching the field bunched up and droning  around after
>the pace car made me suddenly realize just how amateurish that is.  It is
>very peculiar that a series can be run in such a bush-league fashion, while
>at the same time having two of the hottest drivers to come along in years,
>in my opinion (of course  I mean Al Jr. and Michael).
>
>By contrast, the F1 race had some midfield carnage on the start, and plenty
>of spins and failures later, without ever requiring the leaders to miss a
>beat.  I guess it really does come down to racing versus entertainment.
>I would rather watch a stunning performance by the leader, even if that
>sometimes means he steadily drives off  into the distance like Nigel did
>in S. Africa, then see such an effort artificially stripped away to
>manufacture a ``thrilling'' close finish.

I think that F1 could well learn from the IndyCar scene and introduce
full course yellows.  F1 usually has a lot of cranes to clear cars and
from the track, at considerable expense.  Thats why there are fewer
interruptions to the racing.  If there isn't enough time to clear the 
wreckage, the race is red flagged, and you have to start all over again.  
Given that most accidents are in the first few laps, a full course yellow 
would not have such a drastic effect on the shape of the race.  I would 
have thought that the TV companies would appreciate not having to rearrange 
their schedules around so many delayed races. Hopefully you would just reduce 
the number of red flagged races, and not end up putting out a pace car 
every 10 laps.

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger)
Subject: Re: F1-Magic fuels and more...
Organization: /u/mosquito/u00/joeh/.organization
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:16:03

In article <1992Apr13.125204.339@vaxsar.vassar.edu> altsourinaki@vaxsar.vassar.edu writes:
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   From: altsourinaki@vaxsar.vassar.edu
   Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
   Date: 13 Apr 92 02:52:04 GMT
   Organization: Vassar College
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>   Tom Haapanen commented on my original article about magic fuels in
>   F1,saying that big oil companies which also make engine and gearbox
>   oils,were in F1 even before exotic fuels were allowed.That is very
>   correct.But now that their contribution to a team's performance is
>   much more vital than before,since a good mixture can make a big
>   difference,they are much more eager to spend more and get involved
>   more heavily in the whole F1 operation.There is no comparison
>   between the time,money and intensity it takes to develop good
>   lubricants as opposed to making powerful fuel.If the engine oil
>   isn't excellent but just good,it may cause some additional engine
>   wear,fine.But F1 engines are re-built after each race anyway,so
>   what's the difference? On the other hand,if a company falls behind
>   in the development of fuel,it will have a huge impact in qualifying
>   and in the races,and that IS important.Although oil companies were
>   in F1 long before magic fuels were allowed,now they are much more
>   eager to stay because the "game" is much more fun. Expect huge
>   protests if FISA even hints that F1 fuel should be
>   standardized.What I've read suggests that big oil companies have
>   threatened to withdraw from F1 if something like this ever happens.

Dude, you need to lay off that bong. I can't believe that anyone
thinks that multi-national corporations like Shell, Agip and Elf go
racing for "fun". Get serious here. I dare anyone to prove that fuel
company sponsership has increased since the event of strage-brew fuel.
Correct me if I'm wrong but shell, elf, and agip have been sponsers in
F1 for as long as I can remember. Shell and Elf since at least 1968!
Even if these companies withdrew who would really be hurt? Let me
think, Shell sponsers Maclaren, Elf sponsers Williams, Gp racing would
probably be better if these teams had less money!

As far as the imporance of lubricantion in racing, you might want to
remember the days during the early eighties when almost all teams
were using Hewland transaxels which basically were not designed to
accept the torque being feed into them. The only thing that saved the
day was specialized 200 weight gear oil (they used to have
transmission heaters, to warm the oil before the cars went out!).

> There are teams in F1 that still use the Ford DFR V-8 which is
> decades old,so let's put things into perspective here!! 

Gee, when was the last time a DFR won a 3.5 liter Grand Prix?
From: chad@anasaz (Chad R. Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell and rev-limiter
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:17:39 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az

In article <1992Apr14.011635.24144@datamark.co.nz> 
alan@datamark.co.nz (Alan Merry) hallucinates:
+---------------
| I cannot believe that a magazine would publish such an obviously
| erroneous piece of info.  The only way that an F1 driver knows when to
| change gear is by feeling for the engine on the limiter, there is
| absolutely no time to look at guages or anything else.
+---------------
Oh, hogwash.  You see the tach with your peripheral vision, you don't
actually LOOK at it.  At least, I rarely did when I was racing.

That's why the tach is usually installed rotated from "normal", so
that at your shift point the needle points straight up (or where ever
the driver prefers).

It's even easier with the liquid crystal bar graph style tach the modern
engine management systems present.

You don't want to "feel the engine on the limiter".  It upsets the car
and is hard on the engine.

	-crl
-- 
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Anasazi, Inc. - 7500 North Dreamy Draw Drive, Suite 120, Phoenix, Az 85020
(602) 870-3330            "I read the news today, oh boy!"  -- John Lennon
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 16:11:46 EDT
From: Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: This Mario stuff

Does anyone think that Mario was one of the worlds great drivers? I don't
think he was. I think anyone who had been driving the Lotus 78(I think)
who have taken the championship that year. Mr. Chapman caught everyone
with their pants down with that car. Brabhams response to the car was use
a fan to suck its car to the ground. When Mario did not have the car advantage
he was not the best. When it comes to indycars things are different. He has
been a part of one of the top teams for a long time, and wins occasionally.
I think Mario should have called it quits when he ran into the back of
the safety truck. What I hate about Mario is that it is always someone elses
fault. He never makes mistakes. I remember one race, on a street circuit,
the  Alfa Romero parked was on the track but off the line. Mario drove by
it several times then crashed into it. I can't remember what his excuse was,
but it was not his fault.

Jonathan Swaby
From: boell@hpsmdca.HP.COM (Donald Boell)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:29:04 GMT
Subject: Little Al punted at Long Beach
Organization: HP Product Generation Processes
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

What goes around comes around.  Many years ago, little Al punted Mario on
the way to winning Long Beach.  Footage from this incident was shown yesterday
during the '92 Long Beach Indy car race.  After Michael retired I was rather
cross since it looked like little Al was on his way to his 5th straight.
As we got down to 5 laps to go I said to myself 'wouldn't it be great if
Al got punted'.  And then, like a miracle from above, Al chops across his
teammate Danny (who is busy fighting off the challenge from Rahal and
Fittipaldi) and gets punted driver's left.  Yahoo I cry, Al gets a taste
of his own medicine.  And as an extra bonus, my buddy Danny gets the win.
Thank you race gods.

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From: dans@rehab2.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Chad Little released?
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:11:16 GMT
Reply-To: dans@rehab2.UUCP (Dan Schein)
Organization: Reading Rehab Hospital, Reading PA

In article <8APR199213241446@maximillion.cp.mcc.com> mclellan@maximillion.cp.mcc.com (David McLellan) writes:
>My Local newspaper carried a brief (two sentence item) stating that Cale 
>Yarborough had release Chad Little as his driver.  If anyone can confirm 
>or add any additional information to this, I would be interested.  I 
>think Bob Kehoe mentioned that Chad's father was also serving in some 
>capacity with this team.

  If my (sometimes bad) memory serves me correctly, Chads team and Cales
  joined forces last year. IE: Chad didn't just sign on to drive for
  Cale. I see no problem with Cale letting him go (from a team owners
  view point). My questions would surrond what were the deals of their
  joining and where does that leave Chads dad?

  Give it a few days and the details should pop up in Winston Cup Scene.
  (Along with the Interstate news from their press blowout)

  -Dan

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From: dwv@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Dave Vollman)
Subject: IndyCar: Long Beach Comments (spoilers)
Organization: HASA "S" Division
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:54:32 GMT


Hit n now if you don't want to see this







	This was a pretty good race, despite absolutely abysimal coverage by
	out friends at ABC. Lets Replay those fine points of the race.
	
	
	At the start, Al jr. pulls a gonzo move to go from forth to
	second.
	
	Middle of first lap, the Andretti whinefest is about to begin.
	Mario, for some unexplained reason, decides that Cheever's car looks
	like a safety truck and hits it (1/2 :-)). Cheever had an on
	board camera mounted under his roll bar, and it looked like 
	the senior Andretti never saw him. Mario sustains serious damage, and
	Cheever is out for the day. Driver interviews tell two different
	stories. Mario swears that cheever swerved into him. I watched
	it several times and Cheever stayed right on line. Another
	typical Andretti can do no wrong additude from Mario. 
	
	After the carnage is cleaned up, Michael races off to about
	a 3 second lead, held through the first pit stops, then
	his gearbox gave out. What's with these gearboxes? John A.
	also lost his, along with several others.
	
	Now for some fine ABC bashing. With very few laps left,
	we have Al jr., Sullivan, Rahal and Fittipaldi within 1.5
	seconds of each other. Danny tries to outbrake Al Jr.,
	nails his right rear and Al does a double axel. OK, if this
	is F1, a major team war the likes of Senna-Prost is about
	to break out. Sullivan goes to take the checkered, followed
	by Rahsl, Emmo and Al. OK, I'm all revved up for the post race
	driver interviews. How foolish of me to think that two teammates
	running first and second having contact and one spinning out
	would warrent running over a few minutes and having some interviews?
	Silly me! We get one shot of Sullivan in victory lane and blamo
	were off to local news. So, I'm in the dark. Please help
	me. What was said by Al and Danny?
	
	In a couple days, I'll post some thoughts on the senior Andretti.
	
	
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From: joeh@ami.sps.mot.com (Joe Hollinger)
Subject: Re: F1: Magic fuels -- and a proposal
Organization: /u/mosquito/u00/joeh/.organization
Date: 11 Apr 92 11:07:28

In article <Udt=nUb0BwwLJXWoQP@transarc.com> Dino_P._Chiesa@TRANSARC.COM writes:

>   Well, sure, and why don't we require that all the teams choose an
>   engine from about 3 available, and require that everyone use the same
>   tire, and allow only 2 or 3 different chassis designs...  That would
>   make F1....

>   IndyCar.

You mean instead of a totally crushing boar? Seriously, you don't need
to put words in my mouth. I didn't suggest that we limit the choice of
chassis designs or engines for that matter. (Actually, limiting the
choice of tires seems to had a beneficial effect). My point is that
the role of the driver should not be lessened by exotic technology.
Soon it will be possible to have steer-by-wire, brake-by-wire,
accelerate-by-wire and shift-by-wire and we will be able to replace
the driver with any old lump of meat. Since that's probably not the
goal then the line will have to be drawn somewhere. So what's your
suggestion?
From: brims@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu (George Brims)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Faster or better drivers
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:07:21 PDT

In article <34975@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> mcculley@racy.zko.dec.com (Bruce McCulley)
 writes:
>Is Mansell a better driver than Senna?
Despite rooting for "Nige" every race I'd have to say no (but it's close).
But given the amount of drivel coming from the GOB brigade these days about how
F1 isn't interesting, I would point out that there has been no more interesting
racing in F1 in the last five or more years than Nigel Mansell moving through
traffic after a bad position on the grid. I have this secret wish he'll have a
really crap practice session in one of this season's races just so we can see
him do it again. Of course ESPN will be interviewing somebody's wife as it
happens so there's little point wishing....

George Brims