HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Robinson and Boyer
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:40:51 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys

In article <1992Apr9.111527.15774@pbs.org> kwinkler@pbs.org (The Axe Man) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.152416.13456@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>> 
>> So, say we have two second basemen, who played exactly the same number of
>> innings at second, faced exactly the same number of balls hit to them that
>> would be reached by an average 2b, converted exactly the same number of
>> them into outs, but one made 40 errors and the other 20.  Now, who's the
>> better fielder, and why?
>
>You can't say that one's better.  You can say that they're different.

Right.  Primarily, they have different potential for improvement; the one
who makes all the errors has a much better chance of improving significantly
than the other one.

Bear in mind, though, that Sherri's comments are all aimed at the question of
determining defensive value of past performance, not potential for improvement.
Her claim is that errors don't tell you anything about past value.

>I don't think this difference is trivial, and its dependent
>in part on error totals.

In what way is the difference nontrivial?  Why does it make any difference
whether the plays made were "tough" or "routine", if they were successful
equally often?

>There.  You've seen some significance for the statistic.  Or haven't
>you?

Not really; not for evaluating performance.  Nobody denies that players who
make loads of "errors" are different from players who don't.  Some of don't
see why that difference is significant w/r/t value, though.


-- 
          David M. Tate            |"The man who hath no music in himself
     dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu       | Nor is not moved by concord of sweet sound
  A poem should be dumb, / As old  | Is fit for treason, stratagems, and spoils
 medallions to the thumb.-MacLeish | 	Shakespeare, "Merchant of Venice", A.V
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: burger@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schlossberg)
Subject: Cecil is a god!!!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 00:44:31 GMT

Hmmm, let's do a bit of math.  At the current pace, Cecil would only hit...

243!!!!! Homeruns this year!

And he would have...

486 RBIs!!!

Ok, so what if Detroit loses all of its games 10-9 or something like that.  
They're still fun to watch.

And, I have Cecil on my fantasy team.

GO CECIL!!!


-- 
Scott Schlossberg takes his leave of you. |"I could never be a woman.  All I'd
Drop a line at burger@leland.stanford.edu | ever do is sit around and play with
The Texas Rangers will dethrone the Twins!| my breasts all day."
The New York Giants will be back in 1992!!| --Steve Martin in L.A. Story
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Maddux vs. Mets' starters
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:57:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.050954.1@wharton.upenn.edu> chen70@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>Rubahadas:  WRONG!  Guess again.  We're talking serious lack of intelligence
>here.  Perhaps even a schizophrenic living a double life, in which one 
>reality DOES include a Greg Maddux who is more talented than 
>any of the Mets' starters. 

Pitcher		Wins, 1988-91	
Greg Maddux	67 	
Dwight Gooden	59
Bret Saberhagen	55			
Sid Fernandez	36		
Dave Cone	62			
Anthony Young	 2

>Bang!  Smack!  Crash!  Thump!  Crack!  Thump!  Thump, Thump, Thump...
>
>The preceding noises are:
>
>a)  a secret audiotape released by the alleged rape victim of Dwight, Vince,
>and Daryl in Dwight's apartment last spring
>
>THE CORRECT ANSWER IS...need we even say.  If you think it's A, learn to
>read the papers, you illiterate fools! (That team lawyer we were telling you
>about is THAT good).

Why is it that you keep glorifying that all of these Mets were charged
with rape?

>By the way, you heard it here first.  ANTHONY YOUNG will be the ROOKIE OF
>THE YEAR.  

Good, he's on my Kalven League team.

>   Humbly Yours,
>          Rubahadas and A^2

Say hello to Vince's hamstring for me.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "I would think that if God were on Arafat's side, the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  plane wouldn't have crashed in the first place."
U o' C Law Skool   +  
Chi, IL 60637      +  					--  Daniel Frank
From: srobson@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Seth I Robson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: San Francisco Giants mailing list forming.
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:36:51 GMT
Organization: HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY


After working out myriad small annoying problems, I am pleased to announce
the formation of the Humm-Baby mailing list (hey, someone's gotta keep
that phrase alive around here).  For discussion of the Giants and other
issues pertinent to the NL West.

Administrativa: srobson@cats.ucsc.edu
Send all articles to: hummbaby@cats.ucsc.edu

--
Seth I. Robson; srobson@ucscb.ucsc.edu  [ humm-baby! ]
University of California, Santa Cruz
"There's something kind of EUUUUUUUGH about a kid that doesn't like
 to play baseball..."  -- Foghorn Leghorn.
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dodgers/Braves Thursday Night
Date: 17 Apr 1992 00:07:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

The Braves beat the Dodgers 3-0 on a two hit shut out by Bielecki.
Bielecki pitched a no hitter into the sixth inning, which was
broken up by Brett Butler with a clean single up the middle.
Brett had the only other hit off Bielecki, a double in the
ninth inning that was fair by the width of the chalk mark.

Just how bad are the Dodgers going?  After losing 2 of 3 to the
Astros, (and 3 of 4 to the Padres), they get shut out by a 
journeyman pitcher who had not pitched past the 8th inning
in 25 starts in 1991 and had no complete games in his last 55 starts.
You had to go back to 1989 to find his last complete game...and he 
only had one that year...a 2 hit shut out against Montreal.

So Bielecki tonight matched his career best.  Kal Daniels was a BIG
help, striking out all 4 times tonight and 5 straight times including
his pinch hitting role Wednesday.  On his last 3 at bats, Kal took
a called third strike, and each one was in the EXACT same location...
right at the knees and right on the inside corner of the plate...
perfect pitches by Bielecki and Kal just stood there and watched
them all three times.

Strawberry continues to struggle, and the only Dodger hitting the
ball, Eric Davis, had to sit this one out because of his
herniated disc in his neck...he's been playing in pain all
year, but tonight the pain was too much for him.

Dodger fans are getting restless...there was noticeable booing...especially
for Strawberry.  I sure hope the Dodgers snap out of this blue funk
they are in soon...I'll be there in person Sunday and don't want to
witness a game as pathetic as this one.
						BleedsDodgerBlue

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: geoff@jts.com (Geoff Vona)
Subject: Hey, I'm a NICE Jays fan!
Organization: JTS Computer Systems Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:31:32 GMT

Argh!  Gotta get this peeve offa my chest.....

What happened to the nice Blue Jay fans of yesteryear?  I remember the
early pennant drives of `84 and `85, and the predominant attitude amongst
Jays fans was "gee, we really do have a good team! Maybe we're good enuf?"
Now, the attitude seems to be "Our team kicks ass, yours sucks, don't talk
to me just eat my dust!".

When I was younger, I honestly thought that Toronto fans were different. Now
I see that obnoxious fans are a result of a string of success.  I find
myself wishing that the Jays were bad again so that I didn't have to listen
to 1,000 bar conversations about the relative merits of Dave Winfield and
Jack Morris.

Jay fans seem to do more grandstanding on the net too.  How embarassing.

Sure the Jays are good.  So are the Red Sox.  So are the Orioles. So are the
Tigers (to a certain extent).  Just let them play!

(BTW, best comment I've seen about the AL East: "The Jays will have to improve
to win."  Boston IS a threat, folks.  Nobody will win this division by more than
5 games, nothing will be decided until late September.)

-------
Geoff Vona			"Baseball: best cure for a hockey strike yet!"
JTS Computer Systems
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: reynard@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (John Reynard)
Subject: Mets Defense after 8 games
Summary: runs given away and a staff ERA of ?.??
Keywords: It sucks
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:15:59 GMT


Well I saw Fenandez' play on ESPN about 8 million times and thought this would 
be as good of a time to post this as ever.

The Mets defense has been miserable, yes miserable not just bad.  Their pitching
   
has suffered accordingly as well.  I believe their staff ERA is in the 5-7 range  
as of right now.  

However the Mets traded for Schofield a purely defensive player so who knows 
how bad they will be with him in there.  Probably a great improvement over 
Elster who may never play for the Mets again with his weak bat and poor 
range.

Just had to get my $.02 in on how I was right at how bad the Mets defense was
with those original bumbling but decent hitting Mets.

John
From: koco@lsil.com (Maineack)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Dewey Evans
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:04:32 GMT
Reply-To: koco@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Hey, does anyone in net land know what Dewey is up to?  Last I
heard, he was released by Baltimore.  As I understand it, he 
wanted to play for one more year, or perhaps coach with Boston.

I personally think he was done an injustice by Boston when he
was initially released.  He would have been at least as good as
Clark as a DH last year, except for HR's.  He was always a
quality player and person and never exhibited the attitude that 
so many other lesser players have shown.

Anybody know?

Maineack
From: rjh@andante.att.com (Robert Holt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Subjective trivia question
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:48:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: andante.1992Apr11.204827.29852
Organization: AT&t bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ

In article <204705@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.060033.16657@watserv1.waterloo.edu> mwdwhite@watnow.waterloo.edu (Martin White) writes:
>
>>>>Who would be your pick as the best offensive player to never lead the league
>>>>in any major offensive category?  
>
>>How about Yogi Berra?
>
>He's the one I had in mind.  Hard to find anyone better, in either peak
>value or career value, who never led in anything at all...
>

Actually, it wasn't very hard if you're going by T&P's career
"Adjusted Batting Runs".  You don't have to change teams or even
position.  According to T&P, Bill Dickey (career .313/.382/.486)
edges out Yogi Berra (.285/.350/.482) by 247 to 238 ABR, and 
neither led the AL in any major offensive category.

-- 
+--------------------------------+
|  Bob Holt                      |
|  rjh@allegra.research.att.com  |
+--------------------------------+
From: frisbee@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov (Tyler Brown)
Subject: Requesting update on Cub injury...
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:04:31 GMT

Requesting information in regards to Ced Landrum`s purported
groin injury in an early game in AAA Iowa.

		frisbee@devvax.jpl.nasa.gov
From: randy@cellar.org (Randall Cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mets and Yankees
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:28:36 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

nss3@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Noel Steere) writes:

> I don't get it.  Why do most fans of one NY team feel they have to
> *hate* the other one?  Why is this also true of other metropolitan
> areas with two teams that are in different leagues?  I've prayed for a
> subway series all my life, wishing both teams success so that it could
> happen, but it seems that everyone else I meet feeds me the same old
> line about how "You can root for one team or the other, but you can't
> root for both."  It seems it's the same here in Chicago, though I
> think that because Chicago is more neighborhood oriented, the North
> Side/South Side dichotomy is very real (economically as well as location).

No way that a true Yankee fan can root for the Mets...first because the Mets 
are newcomers and second because they have no class as a club and third 
because they seek to take fans away from the Yanks.. not to mention using 
light blue to contrast with the Yankees dark...

The other reason is that the Mets cam about as a replacement for the fans who 
were missing the Giants and the Dodgers...and there's no way that a true 
Yankee fan can ever like the Dodgers, or their replacement.

------
randy@cellar.org (Randall Cooper)
The Cellar BBS - (215) 654-9184
From: sager@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mike.r.sager)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Trivia: What to the numbers mean...?
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:08:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Apr9.010834.13219
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <92099.185021GRM100@psuvm.psu.edu>, GRM100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> Here's a bit of trivia from our college paper...
> 
> Give the significance of the number and the player
> who holds the record.
> 
> 1) .424      Highest BA maybe

Rogers Hornsby's BA one season?

> 2) 2.17      lowest era
> 3) 56        \

Joe Dimaggio's hitting streak.

> 4) 57        /  Is one of these 50's, Hershisers inning streak
> 5) 61

Roger Maris' 1961 home run total.

> 6) 190

Hack Wilson's season RBI record.

> 7) 511

Cy Young's total wins.

> 8) 755       HR career?

Hank Aaron's home run total.

> 9) 5511      Hits career?   Pete Rose?

Nolan Ryan's strikeout total?

> 10) 7

Ryan's no-hitters?

> 
> Any suggestions?  Good luck..I post the answers when the next paper
> arrives....at the end of april.....
> 
> grant

Mike Sager
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Re: Most Popular Athletes List
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 16:37:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.171947.12645@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.033549.11560@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.stanford.edu, chin@sask.usask.ca writes:
>>		Most popular			Second most popular
>>Boston		Roger Clemens 	(B)		Larry Bird	(K)
>
>There's no way that Clemens is more popular than Bird in Boston.

This is a tough one.  Not only do you have Clemens and Bird, but Ray
Borque.  Boston is a huge sports town and all three have immense popularity.
>-- 
>Ted Frank          

-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS  9-1    Mop up the Yanks, bring on the Slop Sox.
 April 17 and we get 8 inches of snow.  Welcome to spring... NOT!!!
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Apr 12:Cubs-Cardinals boxscore
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:05:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

ST LOUIS      AB  R  H  RBI  CHICAGO      AB  R  H  RBI
Lankford cf    3  0  1   0   Walker lf     4  0  0   0
T Jones ss     5  0  3   0    Dascenzo lf  0  0  0   0
Zeile 3b       3  0  2   2   Vizcaino ss   4  0  1   0
Perry 1b       5  0  1   0   Grace 1b      2  0  0   1
B Jordan rf    5  0  2   0   Sandberg 2b   4  0  0   0
M Thompson lf  3  0  0   0   Sosa cf       3  1  1   0
 Gilkey lf     0  0  0   0   Dw Smith rf   3  1  1   0
Alicea 2b      4  0  0   0   Villaneuva c  3  1  1   3
Gedman c       3  0  1   0   Scott 3b      3  0  1   0
 Wilson ph     0  0  0   0   G Maddux p    3  1  1   0
 Guerrero ph   1  0  0   0    Assenmacher p0  0  0   0
 McClure p     0  0  0   0    Slocumb p    0  0  0   0
Olivares p     2  2  1   0  
 Carpenter p   0  0  0   0
 Pagnozzi c    1  0  0   0

TOTALS        35  2 11   2   TOTALS       29  4  6   4

St. Louis    000 010 100 - 2 11 0
Chicago      000 001 30x - 4  6 0
LOB-St. Louis 12, Chicago 4. 2B-Gedman (1); G. Maddux (1).
HR-Villanueva (1) off Olivares. SB-Perry (1); Sosa (3).
CS-B. Jordan (1). SF-Zeile. DP-St. Louis 1; Chicago 1.
BB-Lankford 2, Zeile, Gilkey, Olivares; Grace 2, Sosa.
SO-Lankford, Alicea; Dw. Smith 2, Walker, Vizcaino, Sosa,
Villanueva, G. Maddux.

ST LOUIS       IP  H  R  ER  BB  SO  NP
Olivares(L1-1)  6  6  4   4   3   6 104
Carpenter       1  0  0   0   0   1   8
McClure         1  0  0   0   0   0   8
CHICAGO
G Maddux(W2-0)  7  9  2   2   4   0  99
Assenmacher    .1  0  0   0   1   1  11
Slocumb(S1)    1.2 2  0   0   0   1  29
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Subject: Re: Rickey Henderson v Nolan Ryan -- Stat-head call to arms!
From: guilford@otago.ac.nz
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:17:34 +1300
 <204924@unix.cis.pitt.edu> <1992Apr14.231610.25520@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <1992Apr14.231610.25520@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

> In article <204924@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:

> But the opportunity cost of not pitching Nolan Ryan is *not*, say, 200-300
> innings of "an average pitcher."  You have to measure it from the replacement
> baseline.  I would guess that would be approx. a 4.5 ERA pitcher, maybe even
> higher.  Over the course of his career, that's over 750 runs difference
> he's made to his teams.

>>Thus, over Ryan's career, he's been worth no more than 36 extra wins, tops.

> I'd say at least 75.

If it's 75, then his record of 314-278 suggests a replacement baseline
of 239-353, or a .404 winning percentage.  That seems a bit low, doesn't
it?

The real problem with Ryan is that, besides the `72-`74 burst and the
`89-`91 burst, he just hasn't been particularly good.  These are
certainly the only two periods in his career in which anyone looking
at his team's stats (for a year or over several years) would say, "this
guy is the team's ace."  The aces on his teams have been named Tanana
or Niekro or Scott.  Ryan from `75 to `79 was 76-73, Tanana was 75-45.
Ryan from `80 to `85 was 74-59, Niekro was 86-61.  Ryan from `84 to `88
was 54-58, Scott was 74-50 (5-11 in `84).  Houston was so terrible from
`84 to `88 that Bob Knepper was only able to go 69-57.

Bill Guilford
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui)
Subject: Re: Trivia: What to the numbers mean...?
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 02:16:02 GMT

	My guesses:

> 1) .424      
	OPS for Mario Mendoza?
> 2) 2.17
	The value of pi according to Vince Coleman?
> 3) 56        
	Highest clocked speed of a Gary Huckaby fastball?
> 4) 57
	Number of John Cangelosi rookie-year cards owned by Sherri Nichols?
> 5) 61
	Bobby Bonilla's salary in dollars per second?
> 6) 190
	The price Al Feldstein paid for Don Mattingly in his Rotisserie league?
> 7) 511
	Area code where Jim Acker's last gopher ball landed?
> 8) 755
	John Kruk's weight at the start of spring training?
> 9) 5511 
	Number of years since the Cubs last won a World Series?
> 10) 7
	Number of fans still in Dodger Stadium during the ninth inning?

	I'm sorry.  I've been rather ornery this week...

-- 
Warren Usui
aardvark@locus.com
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From: CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Barry Larkin injury
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:02:20 EDT

In article <JAC.92Apr15175027@shaggyman.cis.ohio-state.edu>
jac@cis.ohio-state.edu (Jim Clausing) writes:
 
>
>Re: the comment above about Sabo's return being more important than
>Dibble's, I beg to differ.  Until the last three games, my biggest
>concern was Charlton's tendency to give up a homerun as the first
>thing he did in the 9th inning.  Now, he has done okay the last two or
>three, but those first couple of appearances last week really had me
>worried.  I'll be glad to have both of them back, they say Dibble may
>pitch in SF this weekend.
 
     Actually, Charlton looked like he still had that 9th-inning homer
tendency against Atlanta.  In the game on Monday, Hunter and Cabrera
both had long drives that went just foul down the left field line. So
close, but yet so far...Oh, well, I'd rather get swept in April than
September.  I'm not worried yet, we only were outscored by four runs
the whole series.
 
Jeff Caveney
GO BRAVES! BEAT LA! -- 4-5 :-(
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Subject: Re: Cardinal Fans Caravan
From: coop@creole
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:58:22 GMT
 <1992Apr10.211603.13525@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Apr13.145128.2547@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
Nntp-Posting-User: coop

In article <1992Apr13.145128.2547@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, msteeves@cs.ulowell.edu (darkelf) writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.211603.13525@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> scg52386@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Anal Retentive Man ) writes:
>>
>>>>>>>>* It is said their are very few St. Louis Cardinal fans.  
>>>>>>>>*
>>>>>>>>*How many are their out there;  Sign Up  Here!
>>>>>>>>*
>>>>>>>>*1> Dan Carpenter
>>>>>>>>*2> Steve Parvin
>>>>>>>>*3> Mark Laventhal
>>>>>>   4> Jeff Wayman -- I'm in Colorado!!
>>>>>    5> John Petterchak
>>>> add  6> Aaron Packman
>>>      7> Tom Durian
>>       8> Sam Grant
> 	9> Mike Steeves
       10> Pat Lopez

Transplanted St. Louisian in New Orleans...check out Zeile!!!

And here I said Torre moved Zeile to stroke his own ego...Whitey who?!?

Pat

P.S. Wouldn't an OF of Jordan *and* Falcon teammate Deion Sanders rock?
From: sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Today's Birthdays
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:51:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Birthdays April 9
Claude Passeau, 1909
Jim "Hippo" Vaughn, 1888
George "Doc" White, 1879
Fred Frankhouse, 1904
Nate Colbert, 1946
Jose Guzman, 1963
Earl Caldwell, 1905
Kirk McCaskill, 1961
Hal Morris, 1965
The Famous (San Diego) Chicken, 1974


-Steve
-- 
 sgs@u.washington.edu             *  "Less likely to put the
 Steve Smith                      *   name of another Netter
 University of Washington HR-20   *   in his .sig file than
 Seattle, WA 98195                *   umm.. err..."
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From: mbk45850@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (James Bond)
Subject: Re: Cubs/Sox Trade
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:21:59 GMT

stailey@hawkeye.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey) writes:

>In article <1992Apr8.210004.3440@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:

> mbk45850@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (James Bond) writes: 
> 
> * Well, the season has just started and I would like to make a few
> * comments.  First, I would like to heartily thank Larry Himes, the Cubs
> * GM for making a great trade, in my opinion, to help the White Sox.  People
> * can say what they wish, but by getting George Bell for Sammy Sosa and Ken
> * Patterson, I think the White Sox seriously ripped the Cubs off.


>   If you think that George Bell is the key to the Sox winning it all, you
>   apparently didn't see Mr Bell play on the north side last summer. Granted
>   he is another big bat in the line up, but he is not Babe Ruth.

>   I think the deal benefits both sides. The Cubs get rid of a big salary and
>   a huge liability in left field, while gaining 2 young players in the process.
>   If anything, the Cubs ripped off the Sox in body count alone.


>   --
>   Michael                      
>   stailey@hawkeye.comm.mot.com    

		Excuse me, but when did I say that BECAUSE the Sox got Bell,thatthey were going to win.  In fact I said that it would "help the White Sox". I
thought they were going to win it all regardless, the trade just further
augmented that belief.  Plus, I think it is silly to analyze a trade using
the number of players as a main factor.  "Body count" as you say doesn't mean
anything because it is the ability of the players that matters.


					White Sox in '92,

					Matt