HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: History for Valley gals
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:29:01

I have been brooding with Clayton Cramer's gal who didn't know
that the U.S. had a Civil War.  The trouble with history is that
in all those times and places too many different things happened.
Historians who know about them like to inflict on us
Valley girls too many of them.  The solution is to merge many of
these events to give a coherent, inspiring and politically
correct picture.  Here's a try at the history of America.

     Invasion of America by Dead White European Males

     When Columbus and the Pilgrim Fathers landed at Plymouth
     Rock, they immediately marched to California to enslave the
     Indians and get the gold, oppressing the Pilgrim Mothers all
     the way.  In Denver, California they imprisoned Montezuma
     and Sitting Bull in a convenient dungeon.  However, an
     African-American named Abraham Lincoln tunneled into the
     dungeon and freed the slaves.  Lincoln was later killed by a
     ball fired from a canon built by the dead white European males.

I suspect that this is not quite enough history for a whole semester,
and I solicit suggestions for its extension.  However, it is very
important not to overload the young, and so extensions should be
put into use only after five years of experiments with the present
version.

My company Memorable History, Inc. has trained consultants to help
school boards initiate the program.  We also have educational
materials such as T-shirts, historical bubble gum and a video game
about Abraham Lincoln and the dungeon.  The student can not only free
the slaves but also get the canon away from the Dwems.

The particular history given above is especially suited to educating
children concerning who benefits from the fuss about the present
anniversary.  In another eight years we will replace it by one
that will explain who benefits from the 2000th anniversary of someone's
birth.  Can't say who on a terminal paid for by the U.S. Government.

--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:14790 rec.humor:26261 talk.religion.misc:14116 sci.skeptic:14484
From: bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Bob Beauchaine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,talk.religion.misc,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:14:05 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <sbuckley.714075944@sfu.ca> sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley) writes:
>if it can be shown that no god exists
>and we are the sole components involved in the generation of life, then
>this hypothetical would be reasonable and worthy of realistic debate
>with authentic, actual implications on life.

  This is an interesting statement.  Could you inform me as to what
  proof of the nonexistence of god you would accept?  Especially
  considering that I couldn't even logicaly disprove 19-dimensional
  Blue Bananas?  Otherwise, this entire topic is moot since you will
  always resort to the unproveable god hypothesis when things get
  sticky.  This is precisely why Occam's razor is seen as a useful
  tool in theoretical science.


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ 

Bob Beauchaine bobb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM 

"If I have to resurrect you, I'll resurrect you, whether you like it
or not!"
	 Paul to Jesus, _The_Last_Temptation_of_Christ_

"For dying is not to be feared--it is the final comfort.  As we all
learn, eventually."

  --Robert Heinlein
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,talk.religion.misc,sci.skeptic
From: sdr57@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: God (was: Agnostics and Athiests
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:05:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.153055.20120@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
>}In article <1992Aug10.183411.13270@cas.org> sdr57@cas.org writes:
>}>}>  [King James and NIV versions of same verse deleted]
>}
>}Given that the King James Version was transcribed in 1611, while
>}my version (The New International) was transcribed in 1975... I
>}don't suppose you'd wish to concede that there may have been some
>}changes in English usage in the 364 years between versions?
>}Obviously, there is nothing left but to check it out in the
>}original.
>
>Given that there is a few thousand years since "the original",
>perhaps the entire thing is OBE.
>
>Must be nice to be able to refer to something unavailable and think it
>is authoratitave...
				     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
From this statement, you seem to be saying that the King James version
is *not* a translation of earlier documents from which the NIV was
also prepared.

Is it then your position that the NIV is a translation of the King James
or do you maintain that the King James version simply sprang up with
no precedents?

******************************************************************************
Renegade academician. They're a dangerous breed when they go feral,
academics are...a chemist, too.
		    -(James P. Blaylock in "Lord Kelvin's Machine")

My organization hasn't agreed with any of my opinions so far, and
I doubt they'll start now.

Stanley "Ya nee speon" Roberts

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From: death@acca.nmsu.edu (The Grimm Reaper)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: "KILL your TV" bumperstickers
Organization: New Mexico State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 16:51:00 GMT

Kate Wilson (sph0301@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu) wrote:
: >>> Ah, but I went through school with April N. (no middle name, just an
: >>> initial) Paris.
: 
: ...and I went to school with Julius Caesar (Jr., yet!)
: 
: kate

My mother teaches K-8 art at a local school and taught these brothers:
Orangejello (uh-rahn-ju-lo) and Lemonjello (luh-mon-ju-lo).
-----
"Only sheep need a leader." - Nomeansno

death@acca.nmsu.edu

Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:14515 rec.humor:25893 talk.religion.misc:13897 sci.skeptic:14212
From: mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us (Mark Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.humor,talk.religion.misc,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Atheists: god REPLIES
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:38:07 GMT
Organization: Waffle BBS at CompuTech Spokane, Washington

rybicki@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
> I HAVE HAD OCCASION TO REMONSTRATE WITH SOMEONE BEFORE CONCERNING THESE TOPIC
> THIS SOMEONE IS NO LONGER.
> I REITERATE: I DO NOT CARE IF ANYONE BELIEVES IN me OR NOT.  I LIKE WHAT I LI
> AND THAT IS THE BEGINNING
> AND THE END
> OF THE MATTER.
> KINDLY DESIST FROM THESE IDLE VAPOURINGS.
> god

  Wow, I wasn't aware that god was on the Internet.  What's his address?  
god@heaven.vatican.it?  :-)
 
  I was also not aware that he had a C-64...
 
 - Mark Hughes #1101                          mhughes@comtch.spk.wa.us
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: sullivana@gtephx.UUCP (Anne Sullivan)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: "KILL your TV" bumperstickers
Organization: AG Communication Systems, Phoenix, Arizona
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:08:16 GMT

Lori Cole writes:
> Mark Taranto writes:
> 
> >   Is this his real name . . . Why do parents do this to their children?
>     I've met a Candy Mann, a Stormy Webber, and a Candy Caine.  None were
>     strippers.
> 
> Ah, but I went through school with April N. (no middle name, just an
> initial) Paris.
> 
I graded the Calculus papers of one Rocky Mountain.  My younger sister
was in school with his brothers--Cliff and Smokey.  

Anne Sullivan
From: "dale patterson" <dale.patterson@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: some canonical lists
Date: 21 Aug 92 08:27:22 EST
Reply-To: "dale patterson" <dale.patterson@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications


MM>Well, I, er, he probably just heard it's a good book from somebody.

Thanks for posting the lists.  I've archived them for a rainy day.

A book I've found useful is _A Lifetime's Reading: The World's 500
Greatest Books_ by Philip Ward (Scarborough House, Chicago, 1982,
telephone 312-337-0747).  A librarian, he provides eclectic
suggestions for 50 years of reading.

Here's a small sample.

Year 1

1.   Lewis Carroll, _Complete Works_
2.   Plato, _Apology_, _Crito_, _Phaedo_
3.   The Old Testament
4.   Vaclav Havel, _The Garden Party_ and _The Memorandum_
5.   _The Epic of Gilgamesh_
6.   Tacitus, _Annals_
7.   Ondra Lysohorsky, _Selected Poems_
8.   Ernst Hans Gombrich, _The Story of Art_
9.   _Poem into Poem: World Poetry in Modern Verse Translation_
10.  Pierre Abelard and Heloise, _Letters_

Year 2

1.   The New Testament
2.   Suetonius, _The Twelve Ceasars_
3.   Murasaki Shikabu, _The Tale of Genji_
4.   Shakespeare, Tragedies
5.   Vincent Van Gogh, _Complete Letters_
6.   Maxim Gorki, _The Lower Depths and Other Plays_
7.   S. T. Coleridge, _The Portable Coleridge_
8.   Lin Yutang, _The Importance of Living_
9.   Aeschylus, _Oresteia_

Year 3

1.   Mark Twain, _The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn_
2.   A selection of Buddhist Scriptures
3.   Fyodor Dostoevsky, _The Brothers Karamazov_
4.   Ramon Gomez de la Serna, _Greguerias_
5.   William Trevor, _The Love Department_
6.   Theresa de Jesus, _Vida_
7.   Lucius Apuleius, _Metamorphoses_
8.   Emily Dickinson, _Complete Poems_
9.   Flavius Arrianus, _Anabasis_
10.  Arthur Conan Coyle, _The Complete Sherlock Holmes_

Ward writes a paragraph or two about why he selected each book and
provides suggestions for additional reading.  Having decided to give
his approach a try, I find myself reading six to ten books at a time.
It's mostly pleasurable reading.  As Ward notes, "An ounce of Lewis
Carroll is worth a ton of his contemporaries' sermons."
---
  DeLuxe 1.25 #12257  
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

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From: msmorris@watsci.waterloo.edu (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon
Organization: University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 16:33:53 GMT

                                   Sunday, the 16th of August, 1992

Francis Muir comments:
         The fact is that not Tom nor Mike nor even nor especially John -- for
  reasons of lack of desire -- will ever escape from Western Civ because they 
  do not know where the fence is.

I earlier mentioned that, though there be doubtless many more talented
writers writing now than at any other time in human history, it's a
little hard to find a novelist from any culture who doesn't know what
a coke machine is. Probably you're going to have some of the same problem with
primitive cultures, seeing as how Claude Levi-Strauss was already noting
Western cultural inroads among the Brazilian tribes in the 40s.
                 
               Mike Morris
         (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: The Literary Canon & Women
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:21:28 GMT

Alayne McGregor writes:

	Mike Morris writes:

		France

			Men

				Flaubert, Balzac, Stendhal, 
				Dumas, Hugo, Zola

			Women

				?

	Doesn't George Sand (Aurore Dupin, 1804-76) qualify?

The Frogs were a special case -- to some extent still are. Remember the
revolutionary cry:

	Liberte! Egalite! Fraternite!

Does the third word give you a hint? Mary Wollstonecrafts's *Vindication
of the Rights of Women* was written as a follow-up to her genderless
*Vindication of the Rights of Man* as a direct result of her experiences
in France, and her realization that the French Revolution was an all-male
game. 

							Fido



Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:14903 rec.arts.sf.written:11261
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Canonical Genre Fiction:  SF
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:29:50 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Followup-To: rec.arts.books

In article <1992Aug19.213911.23543@hellgate.utah.edu>  
speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're  
nasty) writes:
> 
> Just to prove that I can be as anal retentive as the next guy, I  
just
> typed in three would-be canonical lists of 100 best books.  There's  
one
> list of science fiction books, and two of fantasy books.  All three  
lists
> were inspired by Anthony Burgess's *99 Novels: the Best in English  
Since
> 1939*, and were published with essays about each of the choices.
> 
> For someone who is looking for an introduction to SF and fantasy,  
one
> could do worse than to use these lists as a guide.  I hope that  
someone 
> or other finds them useful.  
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> Science Fiction:  The 100 Best Novels:  An English Language  
Selection,
>     1949-1984
> David Pringle
> 

As is the case most canonical lists, it is hard to argue with most
of the books on Pringle's list.  Almost all are good and worth
reading.  The real argument is in what did NOT make the list
but should have.  For example, I'm not sure why he picks Pangborn's
A Mirror for Observers over his Davy.  Both are good, but Davy
is better. I also think more Zelazny belongs on the list (Lord
of Light and probably This Immortal).  And this is just
off the top of my head; I'm sure given a bit of thought I could
come up with dozens more that belong in the canon.

I guess the best way to sum it up is that 95 or so of Pringle's
top 100 would be on my top 200-250.

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel (x2025))
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:34:33 GMT

In article <sbuckley.714031443@sfu.ca>, sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley) SHOWS
THAT HE DOES NOT GET THE MESSAGE


Hey!  Buckley!  Are you DEAF?  Have'nt you seen the flames???  We don't 
want the religious dribble in rec.arts.books nor rec.humor, nor sci.skeptic.

Keep it in the religious section.  

I appeal to all who feel that this topic no longer belongs here.  The next 
time someone tries to resurrect this thread, we ALL send them a flood of 
multiple copies of FLAME mail direct...we've been pretty tolerant up to 
this point.

Although we prefer intellectual intercourse, we don't mind mental masturbation - 
that's what ALL our stuff here is about anyway, just as long as it's in the correct 
category and we can practice the style of masturbation we choose.

Ron 8^|
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From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: Report to the r.a.b.ble, or How I Spent My Summer Vacation
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 05:27:16 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug23.024540.1421@csusac.csus.edu> yarnot@csusac.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot) writes:
>
>Any trip I plan is apt to be fairly choc-a-block with geology and books, not
>necessarily in that order, and this one was too.
>

	If you enjoy popular geology books, John McPhee has three books
	covering different areas of the U.S., that are a lot of fun.
	I have read one of these, _Rising From the Plains_, which consists
	of journeys around Wyoming with a prominent geologist who was
	born and raised there, interspersed with excerpts from the diary
	of his mother, who came to Wyoming in the late 1800s when it was 
	still pretty wild.  Very enjoyable reading.

>Shannon, _Unexpected Death_. I nearly have the whole Luis Mendoza set now.
>

	I just finished _Death of A Busybody_.  It was ok.
	The only series (besides Sayers) I've liked recently is
	Sue Grafton's.  A through H are all pretty good, with
	a likeable detective.

>by Hallion, _The Wright Brothers, Heirs of Prometheus._
>

	I found _One Day at Kitty Hawk_ by John E. Walsh
	to be engrossing reading, with good pictures.

	And this reminds me.  I saw a blurb on some T.V.
	show yesterday on PBS about Lindbergh's New York
	to Paris flight, and how the plane was donated to
	the Smithsonian.  So I'll take the opportunity to
	plug his book again:  _The Spirit of St. Louis_.
	I have one of those old 3D plastic covered postcards
	with a nice picture of this plane on it.  Neat stuff.
	
>---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | A lifetime of smirking behind your hand

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
From: Paul Schroeder
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Deja Vu Revisited (P. O'Brian, FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD)
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:28:24 GMT
Organization: BNR

In article <1992Aug13.223711.12903@tinton.ccur.com> cjh@tinton.ccur.com
(Christopher J. Henrich) writes:
>I just read Patrick O'Brian's _The Far Side of the World_.
>This is in his series about Captain Jack Aubrey and
>Dr. Stephen Maturin - in the same time and scene as the Hornblower
>books but perhaps better written.

O'Brian's novels are indeed "better written", and IMHO O'Brian is a major
novelist, one of the best British novelists writing today.  The 8/2/92 Sunday
_Washington Post_ has an excellent 2-page article on O'Brian in the "Style"
section (not the "Book Review").  The article discusses the recent reprintings
of his books by Norton, the significant following that has built up recently,
and some personal information about this very reclusive writer.  An interesting
item refers to Norton's plan to reprint his very first novel (a
non-Aubrey/Maturin book) next year.
From: burgin@hatteras.cs.unc.edu (Robert Burgin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify this quote?
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:46:14 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Aug14.173805.8627@eff.org> elaine@eff.org (Elaine Yeomelakis) writes:
>I am trying to identfiy the source of the following quote: "Perfect is
>the enemy of good enough" or something very similar.

"The best is the enemy of the good." (Le mieux est
l'ennemi du bien.)

	--Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique

--rb
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: bjperry@base.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Perry)
Subject: Re: Animation stores
Keywords: cel serigraph sale
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:18:51 GMT

In article <a3N0oB3w165w@pain.la.ca.us> yoshio@pain.la.ca.us writes:
> 
> Anyone know what happened to the "Animation Station" stores?
> Have they all closed?

I think there's still one at the South Bay Galleria.  No, on second
thought it's not an Animation Station, but its name escapes me right
now.  It pretty much is the same kind of store though.

Also, there are similar stores -- one called Cartoon Palace at the 
Main Place mall in Santa Ana (I like this store), and there is still 
a Cartoon Junction (although not a very good one) at the Buena Park Mall.  

> 
>-yoshio        yoshio@pain.la.ca.us
>
>
>--
>yoshio@pain.la.ca.us

Nancy Perry
nperry@hac2arpa.hac.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.anime
From: morimoto@infonode.ingr.com (Michael Morimoto)
Subject: Cel Storage Recommendations Sought.
Reply-To: morimoto@irvine.irvine.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 04:53:57 GMT

Hello Fellow Fans:

I have recently began collecting cels and I want your opinions of the best way
to store/present them.  Please e.mail me and I will summarize.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.anime
From: jwp@panix.com (JongWoo Park)
Subject: Re: Cel Storage Recommendations Sought.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:13:29 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Aug22.045357.911@infonode.ingr.com> morimoto@infonode.ingr.com (Michael Morimoto) writes:

>Hello Fellow Fans:

>I have recently began collecting cels and I want your opinions of the best way
>to store/present them.  Please e.mail me and I will summarize.

Put it in a microwave oven and just press any button!
Or put it through a shredder!   :-)
-----
Jongwoo Park                                              jwp@panix.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: betsy@access.digex.com (Betsy Marks)
Subject: Re: Looking for "The Cat Came Back"
Organization: Express Access, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 12:58:23 GMT

Expanded Entertainment chose not to include either The Cat Came Back or The
Big Snit on their Best Of... tape for the 19th Tournee.  They are the ones who
are putting out the "Manitoba" tape mentioned, which includes both of these,
and 7 others.

I have a complete catalog from Expanded Entertainment.  Their address:
	Expanded Entertainment
	Animation
	P.O. Box 25547
	Los Angeles, CA  90025

The tape costs 29.95 (and they note that it is available only in the US).

I strongly recommend writing to them to ask for their brochure/catalog.  You
will be on their mailing list, and they are planning to release 6 more tapes in
the next few months.

-Araminta (Goddess of Phonelists/Animation Addict)

     <betsy@access.digex.com   h) 202/244-2958   w) 202/554-9066 x262>
From: rjung@nunki.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: DOES ANYONE HAVE THESE ON TAPE!?!?!?
Date: 18 Aug 1992 18:50:14 -0700
Organization: Southern California Lynx Enthusiasts
NNTP-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu

In article <4901@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> damian+@pitt.edu (Liquid Cooled Spherical Imaging) writes:
>Also, does anyone recall the name of the cartoon that concerned these
>mechanical/living robot machines that were driven by humans and could
>transfer parts from one another?

  ROBOTIX, after the toy line of the same name, if I remember correctly.

  No, I don't have any tapes; I just remember the name (barely).

                                                --R.J.
                                                B-)

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: fontana@cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Fontana)
Subject: PIXAR's "Knick knack" in 3D?
Originator: fontana@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:13:20 GMT


Apparently, PIXAR's 1989 film "Knick knack" was produced in 3D (using the
polarization system, I presume).  Has anyone actually seen it in 3D?


BTW: The Direct Cinema videocassette of Knick knack at least preserves
     the original soundtrack, featuring Dolby surround.  It's even in HiFi.


Mark
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Subject: Looking for Movie News...
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 00:38:26 GMT

About two years ago, I heard that a russian company was making a 
film out of Moebius' AIRTIGHT GARAGE - did this get off the ground?

Also, has anyone heard news about the Disney/Pixar computer-
generated feature? (I can't remember the title.)


-- 
Jeff Klein             | "Ever been to West Lansing, Pat?"
Browsing Boy of the LNH| "I thought so once, but I woke up and it was 
klein@kira.egr.msu.edu |  all a bad dream." - MATHNET
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