From: haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:36:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ducvax.1992Oct5.123602.1
Organization: Auburn University, AL

In article <BvJ2tB.Mw6@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
> In <1992Oct2.113429.1@ducvax.auburn.edu> haiqiu@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
> 
>>not mean support the communism. But as long as China do not hurt you, you do
>>not have to right to consider China as your enemy! Western countries have
> 
> Never talk about right. Do you think that communists in China had
> right to block non-communist's living right? But it did. I guess
> communism has been considered by the world as the potential enemy
> to the human society. It is against human right and it is abusive
> in power. Also it has potential of initiating world war.

  So as the CCP is not doing the right thing. You do not want to either? Then
How can I consider you as any better than CCP?
  As for initiating the world war. All I remember is that both WW-I and WW-II
were not initiated by a communist country. In the WW-I the Russia became the
first country to end the War after it became a communist communist country. In
WW-II the war starts as the USSR be invaded by the capitalist NAZI Deutchland.
  Yes there was a danger of WW-III during the cold-war period. But that
contribute to both sides. And Russia did much more than USA did in ending this
cold war.
 
>>  That's a prediction of somebody who hate China and dreams of chaos occur in
>>China every day and night. He is the one "Wei2 Kong3 Tian1 Xia4 Bu4 Luan4"!
> 
> My prediction is an objective prediction. It bears no wishes. There
> is a Murphy's law, if something is wrong, it will be wrong. Have you
> ever asked the question why should I hate China? Do you believe I
> am a normal person? You are only guessing. You cannot say I hate
> China because you dislike my prediction.
> 
> How about I change my prediction to that communism will prevail in the
> world and China will become the leader of communism? It would probably
> make you happy, but doesn't sound practical.

  Both predictions are equally impossible.
 
>>Your predicted "two" possible outcomes. In fact is "One" outcome, "two" steps.
>>First the CCP die abruptly, second chaos and civil war occur after CCP die.
>>Just like what's happening in the Yugoslavia and USSR. I definitely do not want
>>to see such an outcome. A more possible outcome is China will go the same path
>>as Taiwan had gone: peaceful transition.
> 
> I did mean TWO outcomes instead of one, you are distorting my arguement.
> The first one is that communism will die and China will join the world.
> The second one is that communism resists to die and there will be a
> civil war.

  That's why your prediction is wrong. Up to now. There are all cases of the
examples of the death of communist followed by shortage of food, chaos, and
civil war. No exceptions. So what I want is CCP can peacefully transform into
a different party and weaken as time goes. I do not want to see it die
abruptly.
 
>>  You are right that if you are against the world, you are in trouble. The USA
>>is not in trouble at all. Not because the USA is not against the world, but
>>because the whole world DARE NOT be against the USA.   Just look at today's
>>world. When USA is abusing Iraq just like the LA police abuse the black man
>>because of a minor guilty, who in the world dares to give a damn shit? Not
>>even China who have the veto in the UN.
> 
> China has already singled itself as an target of the world because of
> its communism and its crime against civillians in 89. Why you are protecting
> Iraq? It was the aggressor. I think Iraq deserve to be punished. 

  At least Japan didn't want to single out China. I do not like Japan. But at
least that shows that the interest of each individual country is the real 
drive of the international diplomacy. That's also the reason why no one would
want to speak for Iraq. Iraq is to be accused for its invasion. But isn't the
massive destroctive bombing to Iraqis civilian facilities and the death of
hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqis civilians too much for a punishment? And
isn't the "no fly zone" two years after the war also the punishment? Don't you
remember how much Japan "punished the whole China" for two "missing Japanese
soldiers" in July 7th, 1937?
 
> I think American people did give a damn shit to the LA police abuse.
> TV and mass medium reported (that is how you knew it). China did not
> give a damn shit to the killing of thousands of students and civillians,
> no news media dare to give a damn shit on it. That is the difference.
> Very solid difference.
> 
>>

  Yes, the American people can always give a damn shit to anything from LAPD
to weak countries like Iraq. People in other countries can never give a damn
shit to whatever Americans do. Just like President Bush said in a campaign
speech in PennState: "We Americans are always right. We never retreat. We 
always win. We are always supported by the whole world." Look, whatever USA
do is always right and will always succeed. Who then dares to give a damn shit
to such a super power? 
  The CCP receives many damn shits from all over the world for it's 6.4 killing
as it deserves it. But the USA never reveive a damn for its killing so many
civilians in Iraq. That's the difference, a very solid difference.

--HAMLET