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From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Subject: RAH peeves (Was: My trip out West (long))
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
	<1993Jan25.015916.17175@igor.tamri.com> <1k037tINNjgh@lynx.unm.edu>
	<1993Jan26.172641.5574@igor.tamri.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:18:25 GMT


	Don**2 writes:

<>	Thanks, Don. All this time I thought I was just "missing"
<>something from some of Heinlein's stuff. After I read "Number of
<>the Beast" I was just left thinking "Huh?". At least I now know
<>that this was RAH's fault, not mine.

<Yep, the dude lost it after a certain point.  I'd say anything up to and
<including 1973's Time Enough for Love is worth reading (with the possible
<exception of I Will Fear No Evil).  
	
	Eh, I dunno about 'Time For Enuff Lust'; portions of it
	would have made pretty good novellas, other portions were
	pure trash...and not well written trash, either.

ObRAHPeeve: his tendency towards logorria in later years.

	'Eye Will Fear No Weevils' would have been a great novella;
	too bad RAH decided it should rival "War and Peace" in length.
	The obsex seemed quite forced.

ObRAHPeeve: his rather forced and stilted obsex

	One guy I know gave up on RAH in the mid '60's, when 
	"Farnham's Freehold" was serialized in either 'Analog'
	or 'Galaxy' (probably Galaxy); in his words, "I lost 
	interest in the story right at the point where the 'hero's'
	daughter died giving birth to her father's child...somehow,
	I no longer gave a rancid ratfart about any of the characters."
	<this is accompanied by a pained expression>

<Starship Troopers, Glory Road, Stranger
<in a Strange Land, 

	One strange fact; RAH stopped writing "Stranger" to
	do "Starship Troopers", then finished "Stranger"...
	there are people who react with total disbelief to
	the idea that the same guy wrote both novels.

ObArtPeeve: artists who blatently live on their laurels...
From: banta@abingdon.Eng.Sun.COM (242 lbs before cooking)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: My trip out West (long)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:24:05 GMT
Organization: FizzBall Racing
NNTP-Posting-Host: abingdon

(Geoff Miller) somehow feels he's taunting me by replying:
>I'd already used the last of it myself, to draw a red ring around the
>base of my crank so as to make your honey jealous.

Huh?  How is this going to make Linda jealous?  She knows quite well
that anyone old enough to put on lipstick can leave a ring at the base
of your crank.  No real desire to do so, but the ability.

andy
banta@abingdon.sun.com
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From: S.S.B.Glover@bradford.ac.uk (SSB GLOVER)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Coupla white peevesters, sittin' around peevin'
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:10:03 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 92909131@muser
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M Holmes (fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
: 
: >Of course the people who HAVE got jobs are the
: >"Northern Chemists" - the Miss Snottys spent 3 years ridiculing their
: >un-fashionable clothes, their flat vowels and their spotty faces, but now
: >guess who's laughing??

Not me. I'm a "Northern Chemist" and I don't have a job. I'm having to spend
a year playing on the net -- I mean getting a comp sci MSc -- oops.

!Peeve: at least I found someone NICE to play with...
From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Heinlein.
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:29:05 GMT
Reply-To: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton) writes:

>Getting embroiled in yet another Robert Heinlein Flamewar is even
>less appealing than jabbing the gun-control-button, so let's
>elide the entire 'is not - is too' banter, and just say 'hey,
>some Heinlein books are okay.  Others are dreck.'


Dac wants to avoid an unnecessary flamewar?  What kind of bizarre
alternate universe have I stumbled into?



Geoff "Menin Gott!" Miller


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Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: geoffm@netcom.com (Geoff Miller)
Subject: Re: More Gun Control
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:47:46 GMT



In article <1993Jan26.180958.22771@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu
(Bill Berbenich) writes:

>even so, the bullet comes back down at the same speed that it left the
>barrel.  it has to come down somewhere.



Not!  When it leaves the barrel, the bullet has the force of the propellant
(gunpower, for those of you in Rio Linda) behind it.  Coming back down, on
the other hand, it only has tha acceleration of gravity working on it, less
resistance from the air.  In simple terms, on the way up it's being pushed, 
but on the way down, it's only falling.



Geoff

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From: potler@umbc.edu (Laura Potler)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Orientals . . .
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:37:53 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
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In article <C18Jpq.DK1@vcd.hp.com> dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe) writes:
>(that's paraphrasing Rush Limbaugh, who I don't always agree with)

peeve: rush "i ate seattle and now i'm gonna burb it up on the radio" limbaugh.

related peeve: anyone who gets on the airwaves and claims that they have the 
	solution to all of our problems but, in reality, does nothing to solve 
	them. 

-l "isn't that what televangelists are for?" p



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From: potler@umbc.edu (Laura Potler)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Announcing PeeveFest East '93!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:53:52 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
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In article <C15Arv.AFy@news.iastate.edu> z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson -- Cereal Killer) writes:
>	Is this a pick-up line?  If so, I accept!
>	Dan "I've a new Harley and I'm not afraid to use it!" Sorenson
>Actually, I can't make it.  At 0600 ("Six o'clock in the fucking A emm"
>for those of you who keep normal hours) on the 5th I will have my guts
>cut apart, re-arranged, and stapled back together.  Yes, another hernia.

ew.

>Thus, I can't make it.  Sorry, LP, but life is like that sometimes.  I'll
>be sure to think of you having all that fun while I cough, pop Percadan,
>and try to convince myself that I'm doing this for my health.

peeve: icky stuff like surgery getting in the way of drinking and peeving.

-l "we'll lift a glass to you" p

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Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: geoffm@netcom.com (Geoff Miller)
Subject: Re: More Gun Control
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:43:54 GMT



In article <1993Jan28.014844.14393@msc.cornell.edu> bickham@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Scott Bickham,C17 Clark Hall,56079,2737038) writes:

>As soon as it leaves the barrel, the only external force acting on the
>bullet is gravity and air resistance.


Sure, *once it leaves the barrel.*  But your frame of reference is too
narrow -- you're ignoring the (upward) velocity the bullet had at the
instant it left the barrel.


>Neglecting the air resistance (ahich is roughly proportional to, and
>oppositely directed to the velocity), the speed will be the same when it
>returns to the same height as the barrel. 

I thought air resistance (i.e., drag) increased as the *cube* of velocity,
not in direct proportion to it.

On the other hand, I can see that the speed the bullet has when it leaves
the barrel has some correlation with its potential for gaining altitude,
and therefore its velocity on the way back down.


>Hope you're feeling better tomorrow Geoff, although I imagine that you're 
>busy reading through your AMOK catalog in your spare time.

Yeah, I got hung up for awhile on that picture of the dead guy whose dog 
got hungry and ate his nose and eyeballs.  It had a remarkably therapeutic
effect!



Geoff

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Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: nolan@twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw)
Subject: Re: My trip out West (long)
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Peevetown Fastalkers
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:09:33 GMT


In article <1jq86qINN4t6@titan.ucs.umass.edu>, jennyg@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Well Paid in Name Only) writes:
[praeludium deleted]
|>First !Peeve experience back on the East Coast:  Being picked up at JFK
|>by Jim Dare, who identified himself by holding up a placard that said
|>"Squick Me."

Dat boy shows promise. Booter, do we got an official office for him to fill?

|>Peeve:  Too many damned articles to read without getting a headache, and
|>all the stuff posted about the shooting trip's already expired off my spool.
|>Several people promised to send me anything good that was posted whilst
|>I was away, but did they?  No!

I got lots of 'em stored in a safe place, but I gotta get 'em to a machine
with a working mailer. Hold yer breath.

[toccatta deleted]

|>Nolan Hinshaw is the only person I've ever met who can talk so much, and so
|>fast, that I am unable to get a word in edgewise.

Someone's gotta fill up the potential dead air

|>Don Pette is the typical Latin Lover type, well-dressed, gold chains in 
|>all the appropriate places.  I'm sure he'd be fighting the women off with
|>a stick if they weren't rendered unconscious by the overpowering cloud of
|>aftershave that precedes and follows him wherever he goes.

*GASP* *CHOKE* Yeah. Every day at work, it's maggot gagging.

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB)
Subject: take MY half out of the middle, was: King of the Sidewalk Peeve
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 10:06:05 GMT

jmk45295@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John M Kaney) writes:
>
>Who else out there in Net-land is annoyed by
>those individuals who walk right down the
>middle of the sidewalk, infringing upon
>your fair share?
>

Hallways, my fellow peever, hallways.  The oblivious fools that walk
down a hallway, holding a conversation, unable to walk, talk, *and*
detect the presence of anything else.

I must be half-invisible some days - these fools actually walk right
into me, while *I'm* standing still.  I've taken to the childish practice
of placing my feet where the offenders will likely trip, *then* some
self-preservation mechanism kicks in and I get the classic ocular daggers
from them - and they think *I* was inconsiderate!  hah. 

!peeve: rearranging furniture to get 'em

Then there's another whole category of people who have no concept of
how ___wide___ they are.  I mean, I don't mind fat people, even obese
people, if they can handle hygeine and dont sit in an airplane seat
overlapping me, but the ones that walk down the hall as if
they were thin, and expect *me* to duck into a cross-hallway or
something just to get past.   bah.

There's even similar offenses BDI's do with their cars.  sheesh.

	Bob O'Bob

Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein)
Subject: Re: Another "I'm getting old" peeve
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 08:07:00 GMT

how about.....  you purchase a box of birthday candles, and then discover
you need to get a second, or a third...

dannyb@panix.com
From: banta@abingdon.Eng.Sun.COM (242 lbs before cooking)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Pets (was Fleetwood Mac, Go Own Your Way!)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:40:16 GMT
Organization: FizzBall Racing
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: abingdon

geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>Stevie Nicks 
>
>I hear she's a hogger, and probably weighs 180 pounds if she weighs an
>ounce.

Take it to t.p.a, Geoff.

andy
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From: geoffm@netcom.com (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Rush Myth #930
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:59:26 GMT
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Organization: Mysterious Moaning Noises From Your Parents' Bedroom, Ltd.



In article <lm8649INNii6@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> banta@abingdon.Eng.Sun.COM 
(242 lbs before the enema) writes:

>>the audience
>>        Male. White-bread.
>>        Goofy white-bread.
>>        Goofy glasses, goofy hair-cuts.
>>        Dateless men.
>>        Womenless men.

>It sounds like a whole audience of Geoff Millers.

I do believe I detect sour grapes here.  I know you've never recovered
from the shock, but there *are* some people who maintain a reasonably
clean-cut, respectable image, and don't resemble a cross between 
Sasquatch and Rasputin.


>Well, except for the glasses.  The only glasses Geoff wears are a pair
>of very expensive sunglasses.

That's right; my vision is perfect, just like the rest of me.


>I once saw a female janitor that looked just like Geoff.  Right down
>to the size ten flight boot.

Did you ask her to fondle your mop handle?


ObPeeve:  Having The Mother Of All Colds.

ObPeeve': The phrase "The Mother Of..."

!Peeve:   Calling in sick, which I hardly ever do, and being at liberty
          to post to the net without any interference from work.



Geoff

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Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe)
Subject: Re: More Gun Control
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:20:18 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (Jing just wants to have fun) writes:

>I challenge you to come up with one, good, defensible
>reason that anyone *needs* a gun.  The closest that I've ever heard anyone
>come up with is "Defense of my home and family".

That in itself is a good reason.  However, the issue isn't need for guns, but
rather whether gun control laws are needed.  I think the past 20 years have
shown that gun control laws (with a few exceptions) serve only to disarm people
in whose hands a gun is not a problem.  Gun control laws deflect attention
away from the real issue which is the growing number of people who choose
to commit violent crimes (with a gun, knife, bare hands, or whatever).  And I
think the reasons for that are drugs, broken families, and a justice/
rehabilitation system that just doesn't work.

-Dave
From: dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Heinlein.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:17:55 GMT
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Organization: More like Dis~, really.
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In article <1993Jan25.015916.17175@igor.tamri.com>, Don Baldwin writes:

> In article <zOrls*p01@prolix.apana.org.au> dac@prolix.apana.org.au

> (Andrew Clayton) writes:
> >"Her nipples went 'spung'."
> 
> Whoah Dac, you're scaring me now.
> 
> Gun control politics are one things but, if you were to say you liked the
> later (after 1973, excluding "Friday")  Heinlein, you'd REALLY scare me.

Liked?  Well, that's a strange word.  As you imply, _Friday_ was
keen.  I also have a soft spot for _Job - a Comedy of Justice_.

Getting embroiled in yet another Robert Heinlein Flamewar is even
less appealing than jabbing the gun-control-button, so let's
elide the entire 'is not - is too' banter, and just say 'hey,
some Heinlein books are okay.  Others are dreck.'

Dac
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From: obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB)
Subject: Literary peeves    was Re: My trip out West
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:54:31 GMT

Blair.Haworth@launchpad.unc.edu (Blair Haworth) writes:
>
>Of course, the modal peever (or is that mean standard peeviant?) can still
>find a lot to like in late Heinlein: he was, after all, foursquare in
>favor of firearms, large powerful vehicles and gratuitous aardvarking to
>the end, and contemptuous of bureaucrats, and incompetents.  Shitfire, the
>last half of _Expanded Universe_ is pretty much a solid three-hundred-page
>peeve.  
>
>
>!Peeve: Bad Heinlein still beats hell outta no Heinlein.


I'll second that!
I even found (Ginnie's) _Grumbles_from_the_Grave_ entertaining,
being that I knew that was all there was.  Definitely worth at least
checking out from the library.

Peeve: _the_Number_of_the_Beast_, when they got to Oz, I was *pissed*
Made me think maybe he gave blood once or twice too many and went
oxy-deprived or something.

Peeve:  The label "juvenile" and my own stupid arrogance kept me from
reading a lot of RAH's stuff when I first encountered it.

Peeve:  That I never even *heard of* Ayn Rand until College.

	Bob O'Bob
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From: russ@bbxrbk (Russ Kepler)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: More Gun Control
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:19:06 GMT
Organization: russ at home in Albuquerque New Mexico

In article <yZrls*r01@prolix.apana.org.au> dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton) writes:
>Yo, Russ.  Here, have a small clue:  I'm not a criminal.
>Habitual or otherwise.  I have no interest in breaking into your
>house.  If I DID I would certainly make sure that nobody was home
>at the time.

Thanks for making my point.  You would "make sure nobody was home"
before breaking in - that one of the advantages of allowing self
defense: keeping the bad guys unsure.  If you make it too hard to
break in they'll find another place, but if you make it dangerous to
break in then they'll find another way of living.

Other than making my point, you failed to address the rebuttal of your
point that a firearm couldn't be both safe from children and other
pests and still be available for self defense purposes.  There are a
lot of devices that allow fast access to a handgun yet store it safe
from small hands or from the casual thief.  Have you an answer to this
point?

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From: jennyg@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Well Paid in Name Only)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Literary peeves
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:23:09 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
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In article <1993Jan27.194820.27369@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB) writes:

>
>Whether or not you agree with a philosophy, isn't it better to know
>what it is, than, say, read the first hundred pages and give up?
>

I suppose.  The first Rand book I read was Anthem.  I got so pissed off
at it, that about half way through it, I ripped it in half and hurled it
across the room.  I suppose I have to respect a woman who can get that
strong a reaction from me.  I finally read the Fountainhead, because
I felt that I should know something before I classified the woman as a
wrong-headed asshole.  Sure enough, The Fountainhead was chock full
of stuff that confirmed my suspicions.  I did hold myself in check
and read it all the way through, hoping to find *something* that
justified this woman's reputation as a "writer."

Actually, The Fountainhead affected me profoundly throughout my
high school years.  Although I was never a full-blooded Libertarian,
I was a very strong-headed capitalist (a result of being raised by
armchair liberal hippy parents).  Rand turned me into a collectivist,
damned near socialist, simply because I figured any philiosophy that
she opposed so strongly couldn't be all bad.

>What I got from Rand's writings is the idea that *I set* the only standards
>*I* have to measure up to.  Just as you don't have to measure up to
>mine. 
>

Well, it seems to me that the standards that Rand espouses all have to
do with individualism & personal achievement.  Now, yes, you can decide
what it is that you want to personally achieve, but personal achievement
is still a fairly narrow category of goals.  It completely overlooks
any type of interpersonal goals - the most intimate relations that
are apparent in The Fountainhead, all seem to be based on power struggles.
From what I've heard of Atlas Shrugged, and what I've read of Anthem,
this is the case in these books as well.

The thing that REALLY peeves me about Rand, however, is that the woman
is a damned lousy writer.  I got no problem with people whose politics
I don't agree with - as long as they can write.  I've got a shitload
of Heinlein, and a copy of Machiavelli's _The_Prince, as well as
a lot of Neitzsche, etc. and I actually prefer reading posts in this 
group that support positions I oppose, as long as the arguments are 
good & the writing is clear.  I wish someone intelligent would take 
up the Libertarian side of the argument that JZ is in, so there'd 
be some decent fodder for a real argument....

Spoiling for a fight,

Jenny G
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