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From: tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!))
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Seeking Feedback (was Re: Shotokan misconceptions)
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:09:29 GMT
Organization: The Reality Liberation Front (pixels to the people!)

ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman) writes:
>
>What I don't get is, how *can* you be emotional?  Do you think,
>"OhmyGod!  I'm gonna' have to hurt this poor seven-foot-tall 250 lb.
>motorcycle-gang-type who wants very much to kill me.  I've never
>hurt anyone before.  My phaser only goes to 'maximum stun'."  May I
>submit that by the time you've thought that you may be dead?
>
>Or did I really misunderstand something?

     You ask how can one be emotional in such a situation. I ask, how
can one _not_? There are going to be a lot of different emotions
running through my head in such a situation. Fear that I may be hurt,
fear that I might hurt another unnecessarily, anger, pity, sorrow...
The trick is to not let that get in the way of seeing what has to be done,
and doing it. There's a difference between being emotional and being
ruled by emotion.

     There's a line from the movie "Kung Fu" which goes something like:
"Flee, rather than hurt. Hurt, rather than maim. Maim, rather than kill.
For all life is precious, nor can any be replaced." 

     Preserving life is important to me. My mother and both
grandmothers were nurses, dedicated to healing. My father's father was
a firefighter who risked his life for others. I'm a part time CPR
instructor - I've spent many hours teaching people how to save lives.
Hell, I've been a vegetarian since I was twelve, because the idea of
unnecessarily taking a life is so abhorant to me. I would much, much
rather heal than kill.

     But I know that, deep in my brain, there still lurks the fury of
a thousand generations of apes, my ancestors. I've seen it. I still
remember one fight from my childhood. What we were fighting about
isn't important, but I remember my hands on his throat, pounding the
back of his head on the dirt, choking him, and knowing that all I had
to do was keep squeezing and he'd be dead. And there was a part of me
that wanted to do just that. To kill. I don't know what would have
happened if someone hadn't pulled me off of him. But I went home and
cried all night.

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Subject: Sounds
From: rtiger@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:17:31 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

And that board is splinters!

RTIGER
(the r stands for Roy)

Hear me roar!
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan)
Subject: Re: Jumping
Organization: ARINC Research
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:54:34

   Ben Goodwin writes:
   > What types of exercises should I do to increase my vertical leap?
   > I'm working on my jumping spinning back kicks and I figure there must
   > be some muscles that I can work on to give me a little more height.

   Bill Burgar writes:
   > IMHO, you would do well to look at what your arms are doing. The
   > arms play a very important part in getting your centre of gravity
   > moving upward before your feet leave the floor.

	One thing which you have to watch out for it is that you don't trade
height gains for outrageous telegraphing of your jumping technique.

   > I think the quads are probably the major muscle group for jumping,
   > and I hate to say it but deep stances are probably good for developing
   > them. Calf muscles play an important part, if used correctly, however
   > most people do not use them fully. You may be better to look at
   > completely utilising your muscles in addition to making them stronger.


	It probably depends on what starting position your legs are in. If you
are in a lower stance, then your glutes and quads will be the muscle groups
which do much of the work for a jump, but if you are in a higher stance, I
would tend to suspect that your calves will be the primary source of power for
the jump.

	Go to your local library and look in the exercise books for material on
"plyometrics". They're a form of exercise used to develop explosive power, such
as for jumps. You should be aware that plyometrics put a lot of stress on your
joints and tendons.
--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Tai Chi help
Date: 3 Sep 1992 18:29:19 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep1.110938.1949@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> perry@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>	Could someone point me to some high-quality, benefit-to-society
>books & videos to supplement my Tai Chi training?  I am not interested in
>sticking to a particular style, since the reading will be mostly academic.

Every T'ai Chi practitioner should have these three books:

  There Are No Secrets
  Wolfe Lowenthal
  North Atlantic Books
  ISBN 1-55643-112-0

  T'ai Chi Touchstones: Yang Family Secret Transmissions
  Douglas Wile
  Sweet Ch'i Press

  Advanced Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan Volume One: Tai Chi Theory and Tai Chi Jing
  Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming
  YMMA Publication Center
  ISBN 0-940871-02-5


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From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: Jumping
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:37:00 +0000



Ben Goodwin writes:
>Quick question on jumping:
>
>What types of exercises should I do to increase my vertical leap?
>I'm working on my jumping spinning back kicks and I figure there must
>be some muscles that I can work on to give me a little more height.
>
>Any replies appreciated.
>--
>
>-Ben


How timely, I'm just about to start writing a BIG article about
jumping, so I'll be interested to see what the net has to say about
this.


IMHO, you would do well to look at what your arms are doing. The
arms play a very important part in getting your centre of gravity
moving upward before your feet leave the floor.


Also some time watching some high and long jumping would be time
well spent. Notice the dip just before takeoff to store up energy
in the tendons.


I think the quads are probably the major muscle group for jumping,
and I hate to say it but deep stances are probably good for developing
them. Calf muscles play an important part, if used correctly, however
most people do not use them fully. You may be better to look at
completely utilising your muscles in addition to making them stronger.


Finally, go for explosive power rather than pure strength.


Bill Burgar.
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Silent or vocal sparring?
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:51:48 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: weigand@pecan.cns.udel.edu's message of 3 Sep 92 23:04:54 GMT


In article <1992Sep3.230454.23351@udel.edu> weigand@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Steve Weigand) writes:

[ pros and cons of kiai deleted ]

Agreed on all points.  One "con" that I would add us that, if you 
get belted on the jaw while your mouth is open, the damage will be
worse than if your mouth was closed.  For that reason, we're taught
NOT to kihap in sparring as a general rule.  
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From: turnbull@ces.cwru.edu (John Turnbull)
Subject: Re: Seeking Feedback (was Re: Shotokan misconceptions)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 02:10:09 GMT

In article <59815@mimsy.umd.edu> tms@cs.umd.edu (Tom Swiss (not Swift, not Suiss, Swiss!)) writes:
>sbs@fns-nc1.fns.com (Syd B. Seifert) writes:
>>
>>What were some of the basic principles from my old dojo?
>>	1.  Maintain your balance
>
>>	5.  When a person physically, mentally, or emotionally abuses
>>		you or another person, they cease to be human and
>>		are an object  (chill)
>
>     This, I don't agree with. They're still human beings - broken, damaged
>human beings, that present a threat to others, but still human beings. The
>hope is maintained that their threat can be stopped and that these "broken"
>individuals can be "repaired". Remember that many if not most abusers were
>abused themselves.

I have to admit that I do agree with Syd's original principle. They are still
human, but I think the point is that under certain circumstances you have to
stop being emotional, and be cold and unemotional.

John

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Upcoming Martial Arts Movies
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:41:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bu2K1B.LoB
Organization: Indiana University

I've suggested this before, but "Aloha Summer" was a pretty good film
and includes some martial arts.  The film is a teen flick with brains,
and one of the characters is the son of a Kendo master.  A good film
to watch, and it is in your video stores now.

Anybody seen the anime movie, "Fist of Northstar" yet?

Dakin
burdickd@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Boxing and Karate
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  4 SEP 92 14:19:47    


I'm just getting back to the kicking, boxing discussions after about a week,
and I don't have time to summarize them but I wanted to thank all of the 
people who responded to my post about boxers handling kicks.  A lot of good,
valid points were made about some generalizations I made.  And some points
were made which I still disagree with, but which others seem to have already 
commented on in depth.

In article <3584@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes...
> 
>	The boxing vs. karate debate exactly reminds me of the way
>some judoka feel about wrestlers.  "Wrestling is all strength and too
>limited to be of any real use.  A lot of grunting and sweating.  Not
>precise at all".
> 
>	Then they get on the mat with some white belt who happens to be
>a champion wrestler. "Wow!  What technique was that?  How'd you do that?
>Hey, this guy's tough!  C'mere!  Try this guy!"

Yeah, I guess most of us unfortunatly fall prey to being prejudiced against
things we haven't experienced, just because we think we've seen it before.
I know I do that sometimes without realizing it.  Personal experience with
something is essential in martial arts before you can really judge it.

ANd finding a good representative of an art of training method can be
tricky.  

						much appreciated,

						todd

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: rschoen@laborixsai.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen)
Subject: Re: Styles in Bloodsport?
Reply-To: rschoen@laborixsai.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen)
Organization: University of Ulm, SAI, Germany
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 17:30:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.231915.15833@uwm.edu>,
ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
|> 
|> natalies@hplsla.hp.com (Natalie Schuchard) says:
|> 
|> >Hi All,
|> >    Ok, so I finally rented Bloodsport, VanDamme's movie about
|> > Frank Duk and the Kumite.  I have a few qustions about the
|> >different styles portrayed in the movie.  In the end the

  [...]
|> 
|> >and what style imitates a monkey fliping around the ring?
|> 
|> The guy looked latin-afro-american, so I would assume it was
|> some hollywood version of Capoeria.  There are monkey styles
|> of Kung Fu, but I don't think they would go so far as to jump up
|> and down scratching your head like a monkey like was in the film. :)

Yes, there are mokey styles in Wu Shu, and they go as far as to
jump up and down scratching their (possibly not your) heads like
a monkey. They do it not only to look 'apish' but they do some
acupressure to stimulate the chi flow.

|> 
|> >   I could identify the
|> >two Fung fu stylists,  but was there actually an Akidoka
|> >wearing hakima fighting in the quick fight sceans?
|> 
|> Missed that one.  Can't remember him.

Saw him. Didn't do very much, was finished off in a few seconds.
I'm not sure wether he was the jump knee board breaker who was
to be seen in the beginning.

|> 
|> >Was the big guy wearing a loin cloth supposed to be a sumo
|> >wrestler or is this a Somaian art?
|> 
|> Looked like a Sumo to me.

A bit lean for a sumotori, wasn't he? (Ever seen Konishiki?)
|>  
|> 
|> 
|> Marty
|> 
|> Do
|> 
Reinhard

Don't!
From: myhre@plains.NoDak.edu (Robert Myhre)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Looking for info on Master Kuda??
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:17:16 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


  I apologize if anything I write is misspelled or entirely wrong.  I
can only gather little bits a pieces of info here and there and it makes
exact information difficult.

  I am interested in the Master Kuda(?) that is the teacher of Shorin-Ryu
... specifically Matsumara if I have gotten this info right.  What I would
like to know is where can I get some info on the new Katas he has released.
As I understand it, he developed this katas himself and his recently
released them to the Western Instructors.  I believe these katas are called
NeSeiDe or something along those lines.  I have also heeard the reference
Young Mans' Katas.  If anyone can help clear up this loose info I am
getting I would appreciate it.  Thanks

Robert Myhre
Computer Engineer in Training... and Training... and Training
North Dakota State University
myhre@plains.nodak.edu   (Internet)     
myhre@plains             (Bitnet)      
uunet!plains!myhre       (UUCP)
From: warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Bush Black belt??!!!
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:25:20 GMT


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From: sowton@convex.com (Robin Sowton)
Subject: Re: Activist shot at Berkeley Chancellor's home
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:33:18 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <MARY.92Aug28102026@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>

>Yeah...that's what it sounds like, unfortunately.  It's WAY too bad, 
>because it seems to me that the rest of the police arsenal can be
>so useful...nightstick, mace, a heavy flashlight, whatever.  No sane
>cop is going to pull out a gun and start blasting if they're in
>a crowd of teenagers who are just throwing fists...but if they 
>haven't received training in other techniques, they stand a real 
>good chance of getting hurt in this kind of situation.  
>
>Last night a police officer came to watch our jo class.  He is actually
>a training supervisor, and he was looking around at different kinds of
>staff techniques.  Apparently the department he trains learns a very 
>simple series of sweeps and strikes...like, 2 or 3 max, and then they
>practice them a bunch.  Not a bad way to train if you are reasonably 
>sure you'll have to use this stuff some day...


Yes, I think this is common. I've heard the same thing from a
cop I know in Philly. We were talking about chokes one time and he
said he was trained in only three standard chokes (vs. the eight I've
learned in jujutsu). And, one of the three chokes looked like
it would be difficult for a smaller person to use. The locks and holds
he described were also not that varied either. I suppose it might be
easier and faster to train large groups of people with a limited set of
techniques, but I suspect that if this guy, with his limited repertoire
of techniques, encountered a tense situation requiring flexibility,
chances are even greater that the other guy's going to get shot or 
thumped on the head with a nightstick rather than simply restrained.

I'm not sure why more training isn't given. His job frequently involves
raiding houses for felons, drugs, etc., so training seems even more 
important.

Robin
From: aaron@cse.ucsc.edu (Aaron Emigh)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Different Karate Fist
Summary: another variation on single-knuckle punches
Keywords: Phoenix Eye shoken
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:36:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz (CE/CIS Boards)
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Aug27.144515.24787@exu.ericsson.se> exudms@exu.ericsson.se writes:
>...in Chinese Shao Lin we have what is called the
>"Pheonix Eye fist". This is when you form a vertical fist with the index 
>finger and thumb pressed together. This protrudes from the fist creating
>a sharp point. It is a strike that can be quickly executed from any other 
>formed fist usually to the more softer areas and pressure point targets.
>It can also be a fatal strike to the temple area of the head.
>Hung Gar and White Brow use this strike frequently.

This sounds similar to Uechi-ryu's shoken, except that the shoken is
performed horizontally (twisted to horizontal at the point of impact).  

The shoken is performed with the knuckles of the index finger forming
45-degree angles from the front of the fist, and the thumb providing
support behind its outermost joint.  Is this similar to the "Phoenix
eye" fist?  

The ippon ken I've seen generally have a more radical angle on the
innermost knuckle of the index finger -- almost 90 degrees.  I've been
unable to develop much confidence using that form.  Since it's not
something used in any style I've studied, I may simply have been doing
it incorrectly.  Perhaps Steve Gombosi will correct me on this.  I do
know that, though a shoken looks odd at first, I have been able to
develop good power in makiwara practice.

>/New Dave

Aaron Emigh
aaron@iit.com
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Can boxing skills handle kicking ?
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:38:18 GMT
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Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: wrat@unisql.UUCP's message of 31 Aug 92 19:52:22 GMT


In article <3561@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

   In article <1992Aug31.133144.28640@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpgrb@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Graeme Bennett) writes:

[snip]

   >A good martial artist will not be unbalanced when executing a kick.

	   Yes, but unless she's a *great* martial artist she'll sure as hell
   be immobile until that foot gets back down to the mat.

Disagree.  Many times I've seen someone with the front foot up to block
(or chambered for a kick) scoot forward by pushing off with the standing
leg.  It's not a hop, it's a sort of slide, and it looks really weird...
almost as if there's an invisible rope attached to the kicking foot that
is pulling them forward, because the push-off the supporting foot is
not really obvious.  

I saw an 11-year-old kid from Boston Taekwondo do this.  He could scoot
across the ring with one leg up, hold it as long as he'd like, position
himself just so, and then nail any opening he saw.  I saw him against
several opponents.  If they tried to retreat, he would just follow them;
if they tried to charge, he'd kick them coming in.  This kid is going
to be a holy terror when he gets some size on him.

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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Can boxing skills handle kicking?
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:50:58 GMT
Organization: Twilight Zone

If the skills are good enough, you bet!

Have a fine holiday all!  Safe, happy & healthy's the way I like `em.  Have fun.

	-Andy V.
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From: toman@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Joseph Toman)
Subject: Query: Gung fu in New York City
Organization: University of Oregon Institute for Theoretical Science
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:59:53 GMT

What gung fu schools are there in Manhattan ? My brother-in-law used to
practice some sort of Chinese style and wishes to start again. The
phrases that came up were 'Shaolin','Northern',and 'longfist' or some 
combination thereof. I have a perfect ignorance of Chinese styles, so I
hope this makes sense. Any help or recomendations would be appreciated.

					J. Toman
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Moving during kicking
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:42:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: unisql.3602
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep3.040220.16319@hou.amoco.com> zwbm07@hou.amoco.com (Walter Moore) writes:
>Actually, I've seen *VERY* effective front/side kicks used while retreating
>from an oncoming attackers, particularly by TKD artists. The back kick 

	They run away, then reverse direction or stop and kick.  Not the 
same as kicking while retreating.
From: audit036@spacm1.spac.spc.com (David.L.)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Tai Chi help
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:20:16 PDT
Organization: Security Pacific Automation Co., LA, CA

In article <1992Sep1.110938.1949@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu>, perry@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
> T'ai Chi Ch'uan students and teachers:
>
> 	Everyone here warns of the countless, low-quality, profit-only
> martial art books & videos out on the market.
>
> 	Could someone point me to some high-quality, benefit-to-society
> books & videos to supplement my Tai Chi training?  I am not interested in
> sticking to a particular style, since the reading will be mostly academic.
>
  Try Eddy Wu's tape of the family style. It's reasonably detailed, shows the
medium circle form, additional exer. etc. It's priced at ~ $100. The form
taught is Wu Kung-Yi's.
--
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David L.
From: ABANKS1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Al Banks)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Fencing
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:34:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa


 Hello!
     I know that this is not exactly "martial arts", but someone suggested I
give you a post.  Are there any other fencers out there?  I'm interested in
tournaments, college clubs/teams, etc.  I am the president of Bama Fencing,
and would like to start some intercollege competition.  Thanks!
                                                       Al
 
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