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From: landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Question
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:00:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.BxtGHn.Fqr
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <BxtCsr.Fq2@ra.nrl.navy.mil> salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) writes:
>Next year when PS joins the Big 10, of course there will be eleven teams.
>How many in conference games will each Big 10 team will play?
>Hopefully not ten in conference games. I will like to see teams like 
>Michigan and PS to play some out of conference games. Like PS-ND match-ups.

Each Big Ten team will play 8 conference games, as they do now.  
Each team will NOT play 2 conference teams each year, on a rotating
schedule.  I think the design is that they won't play the same two 
teams two years in a row.  Purdue does not play PSU until '95.

There was discussion of this rotation not skipping certain
matchups in order to perserve traditional rivalies like, 
MI-OSU, PU-IN, MN-IA, however, some have expressed the desire 
to begin new rivalries, like OSU-PSU or MI-PSU.  If conference
has made a final decision on this one, I haven't heard it.





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From: tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Greatest of the Eighties (BOWL BOUND)
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:54:45 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

In article <1992Nov18.132210.20982@lgc.com>, mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
>
>The Hurricanes continued to play outstanding defense, forcing two straight
>punts, but Conley coughed the ball up on the Miami 25.  Seven plays later
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Sammy Smith barged into the endzone to make it 14-7, FSU.  Miami was
>forced to punt on their next possession, and it was blocked, giving the
>Seminoles a chance to capitalize from the Miami 15 yard line.  Smith
                                                                ^^^^^
>fumbled, however, and the Hurricanes averted disaster.  The Hurricanes
 ^^^^^^^

This Bowl Bound is great.  It even knows who is likely to fumble to ball
away.  Too bad it doesn't know Miami has to beat FSU ;-).

For those who don't know, Leonard Conley fumbled the ball several times in 
his career, none costlier that a 4th quarter fumble in a loss to Notre Dame
in 1990 deep in ND territory.

Sammie Smith as a member of the Dolphins last year, was run out of town
after fumbling inside their opponents 1 yard line two games in a row.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com (Jeffry S. Gracey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:39:10 GMT
Reply-To: zjsg12@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

In article 1eraubINNp6r@eagle.natinst.com, larrya@natinst.com (Larry Anglin) writes:
>In article <23NOV199210425756@sn.jsc.nasa.gov> weyland@sn.jsc.nasa.gov (WEYLAND,MARK) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov23.153502.10489@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes...
>>>Well, it's that time of year again.  We all know that Ohio State has the
>>>best marching band (I believe it was empirically proven here a few weeks
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>The Fightn' Texas Aggie Band has NEVER lost a halftime!!!
>>
>>
>>GIG'EM  AGS!!!
>>
>>Mark Weyland
>>Texas A&M University - Class of '88
>
>Mark:
>Although I was a member of the University of Texas Longhorn Band, the Showband
>of the Southwest, for 4 years, and did march at two victories over the Aggies
>in College Station, I will not start a flame war by saying "My band is better 
>than your band."  But I will make two observations:
>
>1.  There is a trophy for the best collegiate band program in the country
>called the Sousa trophy.  When it was presented to UT three years ago,
>only Michigan and Ohio State had previously won it.  I don't think it has
>since been presented to A&M.
>
>2.  In 1981 at the A&M-Rice game, the Aggie Band became confused in the 
>middle of the show.  Half of the famous 'flying T' wound up at the wrong
>end of the field while the rest of the band looked like the not-so-famous
>'flying gamma'.  Shortly thereafter, the entire band left the field without
>even finishing the show.  When a football team leaves the field without
>finishing the game, it is called a forfeit.  I don't know how a band could
>call that a victory.
>
>Regards,
>Larry Anglin
>Engineering Manager
>National Instruments 


OK you flaming T-sip, lets tell the whole story now. I believe you know that
the disruption in the Aggie band was caused by the usually childish escapades
of the Rice Student section. Seems they blew whistles and shot cap guns in an
attempt to disrupt the fine precision of the FIGHTIN' TEXAS AGGIE BAND, which
uses such whistles to direct their precise moves and turns. Since your band is 
too wimpy to try such maneuvers, maybe you wouldn't know these things.:)

You've marched at 2 victories over the Aggies at Kyle? Damn you must be old !!
:) :) :)

____________________________________________________________________

Class of '91. Once an Aggie, Always an Aggie !

Jeff Gracey                  EMAIL HOME - zjsg12@gsb.hou.amoco.com
Amoco Production Company
Houston, Texas

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Forget about merit, take a Big-10 team. 
Organization: Washington State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 08:52:25 GMT

In article <ASH.92Nov20150111@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:

>The Copper Bowl is Washington State's only chance?  That IS sad.  They
>deserve some sort of bowl game for the fine year they've had.

You bet it's sad.  We're sitting here at 7-3 in the PAC-10, and getting
the shaft while we watch...

1) the Copper Bowl take Iowa, assuming they don't lose to the Gophers (like
   there's a snowball's chance in hell of that happening).  *Iowa*!

2) the Holiday Bowl choose between MSU and Illinois, at least according to
   the previous subject line of this thread.  *MSU* and *Illinois*!

3) the Freedom Bowl get ready to take Wisconsin.  *Wisconsin*!

Now, before anyone gets ready to respond to me with their "The Bowl selections
are based on money" post, I know, I know, I'm well aware of the motives of
the Bowl Committee people.  I'm NOT arguing about who is going to bring more
fans.  I'm simply commenting on this sad situation.  This attitude of "Forget
about who's good, I don't care who deserves it, just give me a Big-10 team"
is really starting to make the bowl system look ridiculous.  I just wish
team quality had something to do with it, because I'll take WSU, ASU, and UO
over these teams any day.  I'll give credit to the Big-10 *fans*, since they
do support their teams well.  We PAC-10 fans just want for our *teams* what
they deserve.  (Of course, there are some crazy PAC-10 fans too... afterall,
wasn't there some goofball claiming that UCLA should go to a bowl?  Please.)


>C'mon, bowl people, SOMEONE pick Washington State.  

Yes, please, someone pick us.

Jim
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Gerry Faust and the Liberty Bowl
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:37:30 GMT

pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:

>In Gerry Faust's thrid year, the Liberty Bowl looked to the Irish as a possible
>participant.  They made it clear that if the Irish were to win vs. Air Force, 
>then Notre Dame would be extended an invitation.  Well, the Irish lost to the
>Air Force (in what I beleive was Scott Grooms' only start at quarterback for 
>the Irish.)  Badly.  After the game, the team voted to ask the Liberty Bowl
>people to extend the invitation to a different team.  A week later, teh Liberty
>Bowl people came back to Notre Dame and asked again, "Would you please consider
>playing in our game as we can find no other suitable (read: profitable) team to
>invite.  This time, the 6-5 Irish accepted.  The result was Gerry Faust's only 
>Bowl win.  It came over a Doug Flutie lead Boston College team.

>So it is indeed true that a Gerry Faust team did decline a bowl invitation, but
>they went anyhow.

This is the kind of shit that makes me want to puke ! God I'm crying for
the poor ND .....(left blank 'cause I counted to 10).

Pat, if Notre Dame is as high and mighty as you and a few others always
suggest , they would quit blaming the begging bowl people etc. for scenes
like you describe above. As I said in another post , there was a damn good
E. Carolina team that was 8-3 that year (with the losses being by only
a few points to Florida, Florida State, and Miami) that sure as hell should
have gone to the bowl before a sorry-ass Faust led 6-5 Notre Dame.

I know you can't keep Notre Dame from wheeling and dealing for every
advantage in the book and all the money they can grab but you sure as
hell can come off your 'holier than thou' stance and start admitting
that there are some reasons why Notre Dame is the second most hated school
in the USA. 

And Notre Dame beating BC by a whole point in that game doesn't have a
damn thing to do with the fact that they should have just said no.

Justin - I guess I stayed nice as long as I could - Frederich
From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10 HYPE
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:43:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov15.234307.13083
Distribution: na
Organization: Washington State University!

In article <1992Nov15.213717.22965@leland.Stanford.EDU> elsonliu@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liu) writes:
>It was definitely an interesting Saturday this week.  Arizona upset by USC,
>Washington St. upset by Stanford, Washington crushing Oregon St.  It seems
                ^^^^^
I can think of a lot of words that could go in this spot (eg. crushed,
squashed, humiliated, thumped, embarrassed, etc.) but upset is certainly
not one of them.

Jim
Go Cougars, Vikings, Northstars!
From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami scheduling again
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:36:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Nov19.053615.4444
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <1992Nov18.072509.15480@cheshire.oxy.edu> creasman@cheshire.oxy.edu (Scott Michael Creasman) writes:
>>
>>Depends on how you look at it..  Miami held FSU to it's worst offensive 
>>outing of the year.  And, though many people like to talk about that 
>>missed FG, remember that the missed FG amounted to nothing more than
>>FSU having a chance to TIE the game, not win it.  
>
>If I remember correctly Florida State missed atleast three very
>makeable field goals during that game.  And a trouncing is not a
>victory by 3 points.  Miami has got to be one of the luckiest teams
>in the country.

And why do you say that???  One man's luck is another man's skill.  I don't
remember FSU missing 3 makeable FGs in that game, anyone else remember that??
And, you have a point that winning by 3 points may not be a trouncing.  But,
beating the #3 team in the nation while holding them to the fewest point
total of the year is pretty close to a trouncing.
>
>ScoTT


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:19:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.161517.26819@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> kkc@nursing.arizona.edu (Kee Koon Chua) writes:

   To all the AP and CNN/USA pollsters:
       Please use some common sense! What have TAMU done to deserve this high 
   ranking? They have the SHITTIEST schedule among the top 10 teams. They fact 
   that they are still undefeated doesn't mean they are good. Look at their
   shit schedules. Who have they played so far?? How many games have you guys
   seen TAMU played so far to say that they are good (From Thurs game, they don't
   look like a top 25 team to me).
       Again, please use some brain when making a vote. 

TAMU hasn't lost a game, and has beaten at least one very good team
(stanford).  The weak schedule had probably held them back quite a bit this
year, but you can only count that for so much.  They are undefeated, have a
great defense and RB, and will get a chance to play a contender on NYD.  How
much can you justify holding their schedule against them?

Bill
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From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)
Subject: Re: Head Coaching Vacancies
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club 
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:33:30 GMT

In article <RandyL.4.722539412@MCES.MsState.Edu> RandyL@MCES.MsState.Edu (Randy Loper) writes:
>We've finally arrived at the time of year when coach's heads roll.  Where 
>will all the coaching vacancies be this year and who will be the 
>replacements?  Anybody care to speculate????

no speculation here at boise state university: head coach skip hall
has resigned already.  the replacement search is just getting
underway.

drew 
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov (Orin Day)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: NC STATE/WF & Bowls
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:13:33 GMT
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <92321.171148DCS@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCS@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> Any information posted or e-mailed on the STATE DUKE game... will be greatly  
> appreciated!

Basically, Duke made five turnovers.  Two were run back for TD's,
two were deep in Duke territory and led to TD's, and one was the
following (from a friend who attended - dnickum@acpub.duke.edu) -

--> Gallman had a bunch of big kickoff returns - one he ran to near
--> the end zone, then fumbled into the end zone where it was recovered
--> by State.  It sort of typifies our season.

So that's 4 State touchdowns on TO's, and one Duke TD directly lost.
Basically Duke pretty much sucked, State played OK.  Also, edited
for television from Dave:

--> We also got an Iron Duke [lady] pissed at us.  A [band member] who will
--> remain nameless held up a sign with nine minutes left in the game saying,
--> "Only 69 minutes of DUKE football left this season (barring a bowl bid)"
--> and she came down to chew us out for not "supporting the team."
--> She promised that "[The Duke AD] will hear about this!" and in general
--> displayed the attitude of some Iron Dukes that they give enough
--> money to the school that they own it -- and us.  Oh well.

So, Cliff, money really does make college sports go 'round.  Arrrgh.

Look for Wake to avoid a bowl with a loss, both to go somewhere
if Wake wins...and, yes, Duke will stay home again.  Not like 
the Duke people didn't stay home even when there WAS a bowl!!!

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From: knightb@abulafia.b21.ingr.com (William B. Knight)
Subject: Re: Georgia 14, Auburn 10
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:03:30 GMT

In article <7087@news.duke.edu> daniel@acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford) writes:

>left a lot to be desired.  I would like to know what White's stats were
>for this game relative to the rest of the season.  Many have said in
>this forum that he played a great game, and I'd like to know why they
>think so.  No offense, but I haven't seen him much this season.  

One of the most important of Stan's statistics this season is his 3 (I think) 
TD passes...to opposing defenses.  He has made numerous mistakes this
season.  The Georgia game was probably his most error-free.

>P.S. To the person who stated that on Hearst's 64 yd TD catch, there
>were two UGA players in motion, I checked the play again (twice)
>specifically looking for this movement, but I only saw Hearst in
>motion.  Please let me know who you saw in motion other than Hearst and
>where they were so I can check again.  I believe it was very clean.

Sorry, I don't have access to the game tape.  I read about the 2 receivers
in motion in Monday's _Birmingham Post-Herald_.  The author of the article 
also pointed out that Hearst may not have had possession of the football when 
he crossed the goal line for his 1st TD.  I didn't see it.  I listened to the
first part of the game in my car.  My only point was that the referees did
a fairly good job of staying out of the game until the end.  Auburn was 
definitely screwed at the end.  They should have got another play.  There
was enough time.  They might not have won, however.  Those are the breaks.
I would have run a couple of bootleg pass plays on 2nd and 3rd down before
running up the middle on 4th down myself.  Oh well...

-- 
Brad Knight 
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Wake Forest/Virginia - Bowl Hopes
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:40:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: walter.1992Nov18.214001.23541
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bell Communications Research

In article <1ee7e2INN7no@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, cockrel@shab06.larc.nasa.gov (Charlie Cockrell) writes:
|> 
|> First of all, I'm Charlie - perhaps you have me confused with one of 
|> your fellow Turkey fans. 

Yeah, he did.  However, there won't be any confusion this Saturday:

I'll be wearing my sneakers, jeans, and maroon sweatshirt while playing 
football at the tailgate.

I'd guess you'll be wearing your best shoes, tan dockers, blue shirt, 
orange tie, and possibly (dare I suggest?) your orange suspenders.

The only way Michael could possibly confuse us that day would be if he 
followed the Virginia Gentleman scent.  That's the one thing us Hokies 
and Wahoos all agree on come gameday.

|> Charlie Cockrell                          VV     VV 1991 Men's Soccer Champs.

:-)'s everywhere, I guess...

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From: rcsaito@cs.washington.edu (Richard Saito)
Subject: Re: AP make FSU #3
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:15:23 GMT

In article <Qf1qDIS00WAwQjY0p_@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>In an article <BxsoAu.GMs@encore.com> jfawcett@encore.com (Jason
>Fawcett) writes:
>
>
>At least the "HEY I'M UNDEFEATED I DESERVE IT" rule didn't rear it's
>head again.  TAMU has had the shittiest schedule out of the top five
>atleast.  I mean, almost everyone in the PAC-10(I'm not a PAC-10 fan,
>just giving credit where credit is due) has had a better schedule than
>A&M. What legitimate squad has A&M beaten to claim that #3 spot???? 
>Hopefully the USA TODAY/CNN poll will have FSU at #2 ahead of Alabama
>and TAMU.  Alabama also has had a shit schedule and they have not played
>anyone worth mentioning to claim that #2 spot.  Their toughest opponent
>was Tennessee.  FSU barely lost to Miami on Miami's home field and has
>rolled over everyone else they played, whereas BAMA just got by

I wouldn't quite say that FSU 'rolled' over Georgia Tech.  I believe they were
down by 10 or so points in the 4th quarter of that one.



>Mississippi State, who's not even ranked!  Arizona's schedule has been
>tougher than Alabama's and TAMU's crap schedules combined!
>
>Will


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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Super Conference to end East Coast Bias...
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:28:37 GMT

hackett@ocf.berkeley.edu (William Hackett) writes:
>
> All Schools have a descent Academic record..
		       ^^^

Those wacky spellers from Kal.  Always cracking me up.

--Gidi

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From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)
Subject: Re: PAC-10 vs. Big-10 (was Re: Mediocracy vs Money)
Organization: SigSauer Fan Club 
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:37:16 GMT

In article <26805@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>Wazzu beat Arizona, which if course almost beat Miami and did beat
>the UW.  It has also beaten UCLA, Fresno State, and Arizona State.
>It lost a close game to USC (lost in the last few minutes),
>and not so close to Oregon and Stanford.

Time for a fallacy check.  The bowl people do *not* sit down and
say to themselves, "Gee, I wonder what two of the most-deserving
teams we can round up for our bowl this year?"  Its more like,
"Gee, I wonder how we can maximize our t.v. audience and make
as much money as possible?"  The answer (or at least what the
Copper Bowl people believe...) is that they'll get better ratings
picking Iowa over Wazzu.  I genuinely believe that Wazzu is
better than Iowa (no argument there), but that does *not*
translate into a better (or any) bowl.  Don't like it?  Argue
for a playoff system instead.  Any idea how much the schools
make off the bowls?  Can you guess the schools' willingness to
eliminate the bowls for a playoff system (near zero, considering
the kind of money they'd risk losing)?

I will say this much: The bowl people have a LOT of comparative ratings
data after every year's bowl games.  And they keep on bowling with
Big-10 schools.  It logically follows that a 6-5 Iowa game draws
a larger audience than a 7-4 Waazu game.  Sorry to put it those
terms, but that's the way it is.  Apparently people like to tune
in and watch the Big-10 get crushed every year :-)

Drew
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