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From: corwin@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (carl.w.smedberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Proposed rule changes
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:58:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbfsb.1992Aug14.185827.16437
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug14.163110.11446@infonode.ingr.com>, scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell) writes:
> In article <1992Aug14.143955.1743@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, corwin@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (carl.w.smedberg) writes:
> |> >    
> |> > Why doesn't the referee/umpire committee or group install replay cameras
> |> >like they have for other sports( namely football )? 
> |> 
> |> Sorry dude but you've spent too much time in the gym playing volleyball
> |> lately. The replay cameras were slowing the game of football down 
> |> so much that as of this season there gone! 
> |> 
>       "...too much time in the gym playing volleyball..."??
>       
>                   TOO MUCH IS NEVER ENOUGH!!!
>       or maybe...
>                   IF IT'S TOO MUCH THAN YOU'RE TOO OLD! ? ;)
> 

Sorry, I'll clarify my comment. Actually I wasn't faulting you or anyone
for playing too much volleyball. All I ment was that while your were 
playing volleyball you missed some football games and the controversy
about getting rid of the instant replay :). Hopefully, your never too old 
to play volleyball.


> |> Carl Smedberg @ AT&T in beautiful Lisle Illinois
> |> att!ihlpm!corwin
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Subject: Re: Ankle Braces for Injury Prevention
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 13:34:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.204703.18394@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> chris@ccs.northeastern.edu (Chris Dunn) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any experience or knowledge about the hard shell
>ankle braces that I've seen and vaguely heard about?  The volleyball
>equipment supplier Teamworks, carries a pair of hard shell (probably
>a plastic material) ankle braces that are advertised as a preventative
>as well as rehabilitative brace.  They have a hard shell that straps
>around the ankle, with foam on the inside.  For lateral support, they
>have straps that decend into the shoe to what probably is another shell
>located under the arch of the foot.  I guess the idea is that one wears
>these in place of tape.  Apparently, they come in pairs, so that you
>would wear both to prevent injury.
>
>Now I heard that many collegiate teams in Canada wear something like this.
>Perhaps made out of metal but essentially the same concept (the whole team
>wears them to prevent injury).
>
>My questions would be: Are they effective? Are they heavy?  Do they fit
>most people well? Do they fit inside just Lo-Top shoes, or do they fit
>Hi-Tops as well.  Is the product from Teamworks, the same or similar to
>what Canadian teams wear?
>
>My motivation is simple.  I injured my left ankle last Spring, and anything
>I can do to guarantee that I don't injure my ankles again, I'll gladly
>try.  I don't want to have another 6-12 month injury, and I don't want to
>cripple myself by having one too many ankle injuries.  I'm really not
>interested in trying other types of ankle braces that reduce forward-
>backward movement either.
>
>Chris


I have played in Montreal before and have several Canadian friends that use this ankle
brace you describe. The idea of the ankle brace is to prevent direct blows to your ankles,
usually caused by a blocker who misjudges your position and takes you out. Also, like you
said : " ...For lateral support, they have straps that decend into the shoe....." Here is
where the brace is weak. The idea for the strap is to allow free up and down ankle
motion, so that you can take a good snap off the floor when jumping. The problem here is
that the inversion/aversion (sp?) motion of the ankle is not protected, and hence
a nasty sprain can occur :( . You can wear this brace with low top shows....They are light,
their effectiveness....well....I guess is OK. The product from Teamworks i believe is the
same as the Canadian brace

I personally have turned my ankles TOO MANY TIMES, and the orthopedic surgeon suggested
a brace very similar to the one you described except that the brace is made out of steel,
with a fulcrum point in the location of the ankle bone (hence allowing free up and down
motion of the ankle.) This brace is THE BALLS! Unfortunately, you need a prescription for
it and it cost @ $100 per brace. If you need more info, send me e-mail at

serge@ll.mit.edu

Hope this helped.....


Serge
From: kaena@haleiwa.austin.ibm.com (D. Kaena Freitas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Proposed rule changes
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:18:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1992Aug14.125743.2895@infonode.ingr.com> scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell) writes:
>In article <1992Aug11.213954.25630@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, kaena@haleiwa.austin.ibm.com (D. Kaena Freitas) writes:
>|> In article <2271@tymix.Tymnet.COM> stonek@rollout.tymnet.com (Ken Stone) writes:
>|> 
>          << Stuff about body-part contacts deleted >>					
	[ more stuff deleted ]
>    
>    Why doesn't the referee/umpire committee or group install replay cameras
>    like they have for other sports( namely football )? 

	They took it out of football because the officials started to become
	more shy about making the calls. They didn't want to be wrong on
 	National TV. Secondly, because it was taking too much time. I guess
	will all the discussion about rally scoring being used to speed up
	the game, the committee would never agree to allow a replay VB match.

>
>    I know there is still some controversy about "replay-mania", but it usually
>    seems that the most disputed calls in a vb game occur due to the uncertainty
>    of what exactly happened. Replay, if quick( rally-point replay? ;) ), would
>    seem to help. One on the net centerline and on the top net-line would be
>    great for replays!
>

	I guess as in any sport, there is always that degree of uncertainty,
	and you are right, one way would be for the VB "world" to adopt
	instant replay, but as the NFL world found out, it just didn't work
	out. The officials "calls" seemed to have paid the price.
-- 
D. Kaena Freitas
/* My personal opinions mean nothing to anyone else but myself. */
/* At least thats what my wife keeps telling me................ */
/* I believe she is right...................................... */
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: tim@kubvx1 (Tim van der Avoird, Tilburg University)
Subject: Re: Olympic gold medal match
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 12:44:00 GMT
Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <JESPERSE.92Aug10082111@rft28.nas.nasa.gov>, jesperse@nas.nasa.gov (Dennis Jespersen) writes...
>Did Zwerver and Blange play for the Netherlands in the gold medal
>match against Brazil?  Blange is their tall setter and Zwerver is
>billed as heir to Kiraly's unofficial title "best all-around player in
>the world".

Peter Blange wasn't playing in the final because of a knee and foot injury.
He got this injury in the match against Italy. Selinger was the (small) setter
against Cuba and Brazil.

Zwerver was chosen the best all-round player of the Olympic volleyball
tournament.

Tim

=-=======

E-mail to: tim@kub.nl
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly)
Subject: Re: Stolos the Cry Baby
Organization: NASA/LeRC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:20:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.154707.23190@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>  
kaena@haleiwa.austin.ibm.com (D. Kaena Freitas) writes:
>
>I watched a championship match of sand volleyball last night on HSE between 
>Kiraly/Steffes and Stolos/Smith at the Beach Volleyball Tour in Cleveland. The 
>win for Kiraly/Steffes placed them in a tie for the record of most wins for a 
>beach volleyball season (16). I guess this coming weekend will tell if they
>set a new record.

S&S played K&K twice and Stoklos was continually getting on Smith's case for  
not guessing the right place to be to catch either of Karch's or Kent's hits-  
although Smith made some really phenomenal digs.  Smith was quiet most of the  
time, but not always.  He told Stoklos where to get off a few times- I couldn't  
make out the words but they were loud and pointed, particularly in the first  
(untelevised) match.  I have watched them play in Cleveland for 3 of the last  
four years and this was the first time that Smith ever had much to say let  
alone get into a shouting match.  S&S aren't quite as accurate as they were-  
Stoklos in particular seemed to hit a lot of balls just out- and he often  
loudly protested the calls (even though they WERE out).  

By the way, for those of you who were able to get the telecast (we don't in  
Cleveland), I was the guy at the far end of the court under the black railroad  
bridge drinking $3.00 Miller Lights out of plastic cups---  Just in case you  
wanted to know :-)
--
__________________________________________________________________
Jim Kiraly- jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov- NASA Lewis Research Center
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From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Pickup ball in Philadelphia area
Date: 22 Aug 1992 20:50:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University

I will be in the Philadelphia area Sunday, August 30, and would like to
get some volleyball in.  Sand or court doesn't matter, as long as you
don't need a membership to play.  Could someone list some places where
I could play and when they meet?
From: ematias@csri.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Is V-Ball this expensive everywhere?
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:24:20 GMT
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto

In article <ASH.92Aug12105054@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>To play indoor volleyball in the Ann Arbor rec league, I have to fork
>out $40 for a 10 week season.  This is the A level, with 2 refs, one
>one-hour match per week, plus one one-hour practise each week.  Lowere
>levels cost just slightly less, while the "open" level costs slightly
>more.  Is this out of line with what people are paying elsewhere?
>Volleyball has gotten VERY popular here.  Maybe it's the law of supply
>and demand...

   I'm not sure what the prices are like elsewhere (with the exception of
what you just mentioned, but up here in Ontario the costs are fairly steep.
On a B-level team you're expected to pay roughly $800 (Canadian funds) per
team for a 4- or 5-month season.  We had practice once a week at a local
school gym (although you can usually get these permits for free), and
3- to 5-match league tournaments on every 2nd or 3rd weekend.
   Normally this wouldn't be too extravagant, but we only had 8 players
this year.  That's CDN$100 each.  Ouch.

     - Mark Rosteck -
(g1marker@cdf.toronto.edu)
From: dat113c@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: this is just a test - ignore
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:01:58 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <l88bspINNg7h@pollux.usc.edu>, cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck) writes:
> In article <1992Aug8.171030.8827@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> wang@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>>Negrao (pronounced 'ne-gron, don't ask me where the 'n' sound comes
>>from) and Giovane (4 syllables) were unstoppable from the outside.
> 
> I'll answer anyway. First of all, ther is a "~" above the "a" meaning that
> the sound of "a" is to be generated at the nose rather then the throat. 
> Since there is not such a sound in the English language you must have a
> hard time trying to reproduce it. Another interesting issue concerning
> this is the fact that the termination ~ao is a suffix to denote augmentation.
> So Negrao means big negro (not a pejorative term at all in Brazil), in the
> same way that the other two players are called Carlao (big Carl) and
> Paulao (big Paul), which is quite appropriate considering how they have
> been playing in the Olympic Games. Notice that Brazilian players are often 
> known by their nicknames, usually short and simple. I bet you never heard of 
> Edson Arantes do Nascimento, but Pele will never be forgotten. A final note:
> I'm not sure about this, but I think that coincidentally Negrao happens to
> be his last name as well. The guy, who is just 19, has joined the national 
> team by the age of 16 and has been playing in the Brazilian professional 
> volleyball league for longer than that, seems to be truly born to be a 
> volleyball star. 
> 
> You better get used to those names because, as the triplecast speaker
> mentioned, regardless of what happens in the final against the Netherlands,
> the "New Kids on the Block" are here to stay.

this is just a demo

> 
> -- 
> Carlos Ludolf Luck <cluck@pollux.usc.edu>



this is just a test for someone
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: sidesets
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:57:12 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Aug18.1613.1989@channel1> "pat traynor" <pat.traynor@channel1.com> writes:
>Vball refs -- I need some clarification here...
>
>In the USVBA rulebook, only under outdoor rules, it states that you can
>sideset to a player on your side of the net.  (I'm talking about two-hands
>over the head.)  You can set to the other side of the net, but only directly
>in front of, or behind you, but not to the side.  They also say that you can
>sideset to the other side if the ball floats across.  I have to assume that
>this means that you intended to set your own teammate, but gave a bad set
>which probably ended up being a good set for the opposition.
>
Basically the Rule is as follows:

	-If you want to set over the net INTENTIONALLY, your shoulders MUST be squared
to the path of the ball (i.e. The path of the ball and the line of your shoulders
form a perpendicular line.)
	-If you want to set your partner, and the wind takes the set to the side of the
net, (and of course the referee sees it that way also), then you have no problem, except
that your opponent will most likely panel you in the face :\.
	-Therefore, side setting is cool as long as it stays on your side, or a gust of wind
takes the ball to the other side....

NOTE: This is controversial sometimes, cause whether the wind takes the ball or not,
      it's the referees discretion to call it.

GOOD LUCK

>Is this an indoor rule also?  The situation that I'm concerned with is if the
>pass comes to the setter, who is standing near the center of the net.  He
>looks like he's going to set to one of his front corners.  He's facing toward
>that corner.  When he DOES set, he sidesets it directly over the net.
>
>Is this legal?  If not, is it spelled out in the rules anywhere?
>

Indoors :  AHHHHH, the world is sweater indoors.

-If you are a front row player setting the ball you can do whatever your little heart
desires, as long as you don't carry or throw the ball.

-IF you are a back row player setting AND you contanct the ball BELOW the height of the net,
then you can do whatever you want with it , as long as its a legal contact. If as a
backrow player, you contact the ball above the height of the net, you MUST keep it in your
own side, otherwise it constitutes a back row attack and hence a fault.

Hope it clears thing out for ya!

Serge
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Firsthand from Barcelona!
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:16:31 GMT

Hello to all volleyballers on rec.sport.volleyball!

I recently returned from the Olympics in Barcelona, Spain, where I was
fortunate enough to attend almost every volleyball match. This was a
wonderful experience in every way, and I would like to offer my experience
up for discussion on the network.

If you have questions you'd like to ask or an argument you'd like to pursue,
I'll be happy to answer or argue as best I can.

Possible topics:

1) How did Algeria compare to Brazil?
2) Who is the best volleyball player in the world?
3) Who was the highest jumper at the Olympics?
4) What the heck was wrong with the USA?
5) Would Karch have made a difference?
6) What strategies were used and which paid off?
7) How did X beat Y? (Example: X=Holland, Y=Italy)
8) Is Timmons just an old man with an attitude?

You can send me e-mail at g-martin1@uiuc.edu, but I'd rather discuss
everything through posts to the newsgroup.

					Greg Martin
From: alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: FAQ? - Killer Loop
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:15:16 PST

ajchien@med.umich.edu (Alexander J. Chien) writes:
> What's a Killer Loop?
>    I assume it's the name of a pro-beach sponsor, but is there`
> actually a volleyball shot where players call it a killer loop?
> 
> -Alex
>  Thanks in advance.
>   ajchien@med.umich.edu

Alex,
     Killer Loop is a brand of Bausch & Lomb sunglasses like Ray-Ban also
made by Bausch & Lomb. These shades are for sports-type activities like
beach volleyball hence the sponsorship. You may haver seen Adam Johnson,
Pat Powers, Karch Kiraly, and Randy Stoklos wear them during tournaments.

alex lee
From: alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: 8/16 AVP Tour spoilers
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:10:31 GMT


 gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_) writes:
>   I sat on the couch watching TV all afternoon as I'm now on crutches
>   after spraigning my ankle yesterday blocking at the net. Well, I
>   flipped by NBC, and what do you know - live coverage of the AVP Tour!
>   They had to end early at 14-13 in the Hovland/Johnson versus Lewis/
>   (um...I forget). Who won this match? It was the semis. The announcers
>   said they'd cover the finals tomorrow - WOW!
> 
>   But what surprised me most, they said Kiraly/Steffes had been upset
>   earlier in the day!!! But they didn't say by whom. ??????????
>   Does that mean they're still in it through the loser's bracket?
> 
Gene,
     Hovland/Johnson beat Lewis/Whitmarsh in the televised game on Sat. but
lost to them in the finals of the losers bracket, thus taking 3rd place in 
the tournament. Kiraly-Steffes lost early Sat. to Friedrichson/Mear(?) 12-10 
and lost in the losers bracket semi-final to Lewis/Whitmarsh in sudden death
after trailing 4-11.
Powers/Dodd thrashed Lewis/Whitmarsh 15-5 basically due to Whitmarsh being
exhausted/dehydrated from the hard games in the losers bracket.
So ends the Kiraly/Steffes streak at 13 Opens in a row.

alex lee
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Subject: Re: A Question
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:26:27 GMT

In article <3_hywsp@rpi.edu> vasisn@rpi.edu writes:
>
>I was curious about a rule in volleyball. If team A spikes the ball that lands on the head of a player in team B and crosses the net is the game still in play?
>
>niraj vasishtha
>vasisn@rpi.edu
>
>

I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but let me try to unravel this:

	Team A spikes the ball, and HITS a player on Team B on the HEAD. The ball is still in 
play....Legal Dig, except it might hurt the player on Team B. I am not sure what crosses the net:
	
	a. The ball crosses the net: 
	     -If it crosses underneath the net to Team's A playing area, then is Team A's point
  	     -If it crosses over the net into Team's A playing Area, then keep on playing.

	b. The player on Team A crosses the Net over the centerline:
	     -If he crosses the net and his foot/feet touch Team B's Playing court, within
	      the boundaries, then is Team B point.
	     -If he crosses the net and lands out of bounds on Team's B territory (NOT PLAYING
	      area), then keep on playing.

Hope it helps...If i misunderstood the question, which is very posible, let me know

Serge    serge@ll.mit.edu
From: bulleri@wam.umd.edu (Chris Bulleri)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Outdoor net set
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:35:11 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


An outdoor net is real easy to put together yourself.  All you need are lines,
(That's real tough to do), 4 anchors for each corner.  2 poles, you can get
wood and drill holes in it, or your local hardware store should have some
metal poles, with holes, and you can get add on pieces to adjust the hight,
some more rope as anchors for the poles.  Some more stakes(4) and then a net.

The net was the most expensive piece, you can get tent stakes almost anywhere,
they have a nice loop on the end and are metal so they don't break like 
plastic when you pund them into the ground.  All in all 8 tent stakes most I can
see it costing maybe $10,  A nice bit of rope, another $10, poles $15 or so and
a net $20.  The money is just a guestimate since I remember making my net
last year, total cost $35 and about 3 hrs. to put together the first time.
I can take it down in 5min and it takes me about 10min to put up, the only hard
part is making sure the rope boundaries don't get tangled.  Oh yeah you might 
want to get a wood handle, to adjust the ropes holding the net up, it helps
a bunch and it is easy to make.

Summary:  Don't spend $300 for a net when you can make one just as good for
          a hell of a lot less.

Chris
bulleri@wam.umd.edu
From: MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: more height!!!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:41:06 GMT
Organization: Tony's Most Excellent NewsReader
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Aug17.174303.27901@cis.ohio-state.edu> jrm@stegosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu writes:

> In article <168468DE6.R3TLM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU> R3TLM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU writes:
> >     For the help I got on my search for more height:
> >           Exercises:
> >                 bicycling in high gear
> 
> Bad idea, unless you want to mess up your knees.  

I agree and will add that "sprint starts" (where you just practice your starts
basically) will do more for increasing your vertical.  All cycling will do in
the long run is work your endurance fibers, which doesn't increase your
vertical at all.

--

Evil Twin -                                                       one_spike
	the Man, the Myth, the Legend in His Own Mind -         //~____/  ~\\
		mullen@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu                     \\~    \  ~//
                                                                  one_kill!
From: dft00@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Doug Tiedt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Is Pro Beach in Santa Cruz this weekend?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:05:16 GMT
Reply-To: dft00@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Doug Tiedt)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


Hi Folks,


The last item of info I saw said that the Men's Pro Beach
Tour would stop in Santa Cruz, CA on August 21st and 22nd
(Friday and Saturday).  I just wanted to know if this is
still true, or if anyone has heard of the schedule being
changed.  I'm not trying to start a rumor here; I haven't
heard anything either way, I just have a relative coming
in from out of town and I wanted confirmation before
making the trip over the mountains.


Thanks in advance,
Doug
--
=/=/=/=/=/=/=/ Doug a.k.a. dft00@quts.ccc.amdahl.com \=\=\=\=\=\=\=

What we have here... is a case of the blind leading the stupid.
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