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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:10:25 GMT

TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
: >priority when its quantum expires, no?  Is it possible, in AmigaOS, to
: >designate a task as "non-preemptible"?  If not, there's no difference in
: >AmigaOS and OS/2 in this respect.
: 
: Welcome to the magical world of "Forbid()".

To be honest, this is something a bit different.  With Forbid(), a
program designates itself.  You can't designate a task as
"non-preemptible".  However, you can do something extremely similar.
By making your program the highest priority in the system, it has the
exact same effect.

Greg

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine
Keywords: Attack the idea, not the person
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:52:10 GMT

In article <10667547.132.715481400@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.134729.7503@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

<my "explanation" of .advocacy deleted>

>Some of the information is interesting, but it's time consuming sorting 
>the wheat from the chaff.  I'm not a techie but I'm learning a lot about 
>operating systems and system architecture (I can even out-flame/info people 
>from the Telecom Research Labs, although the stuff I pick up in various
>.advocacy groups may not be 100% true.  A "in his own opinion disclaimer 
>might be necessary".  I thought a bus was something that drove down the road 
>until I started reading these newsgroups.

I've also picked up a bit from the many arguments among the EE and CE types
on this group.  I'm strictly CS and try to stay out of them as those guys
tend to flame people to a crisp, but it makes for interesting reading.

As for it being time consuming, I'll agree, but the solution is to simply
start unsubscribing from other groups.  Eventually you'll realize that
this is the only group you need to read as we discuss not only Amigas, we
also talk about politics, cars, moral values, speech patterns, sexual
preferences, and even some more serious things like beer.  :-)

>>This group is anything but serious and to take it as anything else
>>is just plain silly.
>
>I've been getting that impression.  I've only been using abUSENET for about 
>three weeks and the amount of flaming that goes on is amazing!

I'm sure that lots of people get the same impression about this group.  I'd
suggest that new readers simply pick a subject and a poster or two and start
flaming them.  You may get a little toasty from the flames, but there seem
to be plenty of people who really enjoy it.  There have been a few folks who
have told the world that they are putting so-and-so in their killfile like
it is something that will hurt, but it hasn't silenced anyone yet.

>>Is it worth starting a new group for a dead machine?
>
>How about a "alt.jeff.young" or "is.jeff.young.a.pseudonym.misc" group?

:-)

Jim

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
"Let's see you do THAT on a PC!"


Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Date: Thu,  3 Sep 92 12:56:25 -0400 
From: Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies

> Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.misc: 3-Sep-92 More AmigaWorld Lies
> Marc N Barrett@iastate.e (3857)

> Mr. Barney also goes on state facts that are simply wrong.  He states
> that 
> there are about 1000 Amiga dealers in the U.S., and there can't possibly
> be 
> this many.  

Of course there can be.   There are two major (full line) and at least
one minor (a500+software) amiga dealers in Pittsburgh alone. There are
lots of cities in the US. If you wanted to rant about this, you'd be
better off saying "WOT!!!?? only 1000, why, there are 3000 mac dealers
in Indiana alone." or some such.
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:55:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.031220.20736@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.094150.7646@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>   What is my point about all this?  This is only the beginning for games on
>>the IBM platform.  Now that some games have already started coming out that
>>support SVGA, more will come.  It will be a *LONG* time before enough Amiga
>>systems have sold with AA chipsets to justify software developers producing
>>games that support comparable resolutions and color capabilities on the
>>Amiga.  
>>
>>   Due to lack of progress, the "Ultimate Game Machine" is very fast becoming
>>the "Ultimate Joke Machine".
>>
>
>Calm down! They just compared the original IBM version with Amiga
>version. (not LINKS386/PRO version) Under 320x200 resolution mode, HAM
>is better than VGA.

   You picked out a small detail and argued with it, instead of debating my
actual point.  My point is that the Amiga is no longer the best game machine 
around, and probably will never be ever again.  So many 386 systems with SVGA
cards have sold that games on these systems will always outclass Amiga games.
Amiga games -- being restricted to tiny palettes, few on-screen colors, slow
computers (since  fast Amigas are not selling very well), and very low
resolutions -- games on the IBM platform that increasingly take advantage of
the better capabilities of SVGA have more room for growth.

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:25:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.080911.3788@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <BtM61A.Bs@starnine.com>, mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
>> 
>> Lessee... OS/2 has VM & MP.
>
>	Most computer books I have read consider VM a last resort.  Why?
>	It is slow.  It was necessary because of the 640K limit on DOS.
>	Even extended and expanded memory won't help, because you can only
>	store data.  In the MS-DOS world you have 4 kludges to get around
>	lack of flat memory model: VM, extended memory, expanded memory,
>	and overlays.

Look, I don't know you do not bother reading that Jerry was talking about
*****OS/2*****, _not_ MSDOS.

>> Recently, I had to change some hardware in my PC at work.  What a pain!
>> 
>> Lessee... My DOS 5.0 only installs from drive it came on
>> 3.5" disks!  And I've got 5.25"!  Got to install a 3.5"...oops...
>
>	I don't know why people keep complaining about this, all you need
>	to do is use the subst command.  I will look it up for you:
>
>	subst a: b:\                                              

This does seem trivial.
Why in the world could people read the BOX and get the right size when they
got the OS?  Or when they ordered the system?  I'd hate to think that
a company shipped a packaged PC/OS togather and shipped a 5.25" DOS 
package with a 3.5" A: drive!

>> have to make it A:, so I have to switch floppy cables.  Oh yeah,
>> don't forget to run config at boot up, so I can tell DOS what I did.
>> (can't figure ANYTHING out on it's own, e.
>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization. My opinions only **

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Zorro III cards? (was: 80,000,000 pc's)
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:11:38 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>
>EISA is the problem, because put a single ISA card on
>that bus and you've just reduced EISA to ISA.
>

Is this true?  Could someone who knows confirm this?  I've only seen this
claim in c.s.a.a., and I get the feeling that it's nonsense.

>
>Francis
>
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From: hutchens@uwa.oz.au (JL HUTCHENS)
Subject: Re: Lynx (was Re: More Jeff Young Rambings)
Keywords: rubbish,utter rubbish,total rubbish
Organization: Elec Eng, Univ of Western Australia
Date:  3 Sep 92 03:55:33 GMT

etxansk@garbo.ericsson.se writes:

>10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:

>>   [stuff deleted]
>>   ...
>>   I've played with one in a local department store and the Amiga shop near 
>> where I live.
>>
>>It's got colour!
>>It's got sound!?
>>It's not a computer!
>>It's a toy!

> It's the only Atari product that works right now!

> It's a product that doesn't necessarily have to be kept down by some
>industry standard like the Amiga is by MS-DOS/Windows.

> It's made by a company that hasn't realized yet, that perhaps
>they should stick to video games and forget about keeping 
>their one percent market share in the personal computer market.

> Salutos Amigos, 
>                  # # #  
> Anders Skelander # # #
>                  # # #
>                 #  #  #
>

AND IT WAS DESIGNED BY SOME OF THE GUYS WHO DESIGNED THE AMIGA!


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:14:45 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug24.213912.12412@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:
>Show me a DOS box or Mac that can compare to that same 3000 with stock 2.04.
>Be real, you know and I know that the other computers had tons o' add-ons
>which drastically altered the scenario.

I have a DOS box with SVGA and a soundblaster on my desk. It does full
motion video in a window, synced with sound. These came standard in the 
package. No "Tons" of add-ons required. I find one of the advantages
of the DOS boxes is the ability to mix and match hardware. This makes
for great flexability. It also makes for configuration nightmares!

Show me an Amiga that will do 256 color full motion video with sound
in a window on the Workbench. Maybe in September, eh? 

>Yes, let's.  Starting with a list of enhancements and prices, RETAIL not
>wholesale (lest thou get stung by the very same treatment).

This machine cost MS $2500.00.  With monitor. Much less than an
stock A3000 at our local dealer. This was a package deal. To talk
about "stock" machines is futile, as an A3000, stock, has no monitor
or speakers. Kinda hard to use it that way. On the other had there
are package deals available on both platforms and I have found that
DOS/Win (ala "MPCs") solutions currently provide more seamless
multimedia solutions integrating still/motion video and sound.

This will remain until our beloved Amiga can display more than 16 colors
at hires without silly limitations.

I love my A3000, but I have no delusions about it's short commings. One
of which is 1985 video technology and the inablity to integrate 3rd party
audio/video solutions with the OS in a seamless manner. 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Fungus Among Us
Keywords: yuck
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 03:02:59 GMT

 barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>
>	So, Commodore's marketing department, realizing it can make a lot
>of money here, starts inventing brilliant slogans like "Mold is Gold,"

      Or how 'bout "Mold is Gould"?




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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:15:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.050532.19480@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> griffin@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Danny Griffin) writes:
>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>>In article <52689@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@scooby.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>
>>>	Since this is an Amiga newsgroup, why not distribute files in an
>>>acknowledged Amiga format?  I realize that some people who read this group
>>>own other computers; but in an Amiga group, I think it's their burden to
>>>find an IFF viewer, rather than an Amiga owners' to find a JPEG or GIF or
>>>Faces viewer.
>
>>Oh, well, if we do this, count me out.   The only Amiga I know of anywhere
>>is at an Amiga/Clone dealer in town.  I don't know how cooperative they'd
>>be.
>
>I don't know what this guy's problem is.  I don't even know why he's here
>if he doesn't use an Amiga, but I exchange files from time to time with
>Mac people, and even a Macintosh can display IFF and HAM files.

Yeah, maybe I should be driven off be you.  That way, you'll have one
less non-Amigan to advocacte to. Woo woo.

>Dan Griffin
>griffin@egr.msu.edu

>"If an application takes two years to be developed, it's running at
>0 MIPS, no matter what hardware platform it's running on" - Jobs

Good signature.
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From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM, This is not STUPID this is a PROPOSITION
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:43:39 GMT
Organization: MangaZone Advanced Services, Rome - ITALY

In a message dated Fri 21 Aug 92  5:43, Jdp@caleb.uucp (jim Pritchett)
wrote:

 JP> No great loss.  Remember Microslop's buggy AmigaBasic?

Right... that is one of the reasons why I want to keep Microsoft OUT from
the Amiga market.... actually let me translate what the guy wrote:

> From billg@microsoft.com Mon Mar  2 21:20:12 1992
> Subject: Re: Whiches on Microsoft products for the Amiga Micro-Computer
> 
> Thanks for your input. Unfortunately we are not able to take resources
> to do Amiga versions of our products.

You are just a user, and you can't give me money, so go to annoy someone
else.

> We are focused on improving our
> MAC and WINDOWS products as much as we can.

We just learned to manipulate Mac and Windows operative systems, so we
don't really want to start learning a new one (expecially because the Amiga
OS is much more slick than our Windows).

> We have surveyed AMIGA users
> and found that their interest in productivity software at the kind of
> price that MAC and WINDOWS users pay is very low

Only Mac and Windows people are ready to pay a tons of bugs for something
either good or bad.  Amiga users are actually the ones making to best deal
in software price, and we don't like that.

> - that combined with its
> much lower volumes and the immense work involved make it impractical.

We don't know from where to start in understanding a new OS.

> Commodore has never done anything to make it easy to move software to
their
> machine.

We don't have guys smart enough to use standard programming technics in our
previous teams, so our source codes are way too much like spagetti to be
well compiled on an Amiga enviroment, we just can't make it, and rewritting
the whole code would be just too much for us.

In the end the last word is: We Are No Good in Software Production

[This are my personal interpretations, and none of those of the original
writter, maybe]

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From: mrmike@michelotti.ae.ge.com ("Mr. Mike" Passaretti)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:24:58 GMT
	<64904@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug29.171531.827@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
	<64950@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug30.205801.15188@ra.msstate.edu>
	<64965@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug31.135250.680@ra.msstate.
Reply-To: Mike Passaretti <passaretti@crd.ge.com>
Organization: GE Aircraft Engines


# In message <1992Sep1.144215.19409@ra.msstate.edu>, 
# skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

skip> I agree.  Although the Amiga all-in-one approach is
skip> okay, I'd like to see a machine with a CPU slot, 

I'll buy that.

skip> AA chipset, 

Ok.

skip> 4-8 Zorro III slots, 

Ok, but who is your market?

skip> and 4-8 AT slots.

Ditto. Who needs 'em?  

skip> Leave out the HD controller, the flicker-fixer,

Now you've really got me confused.  No HD controller, maybe,
but the flicker fixer has _got_ to be in there.  It's cheap
anyway.  So's SCSI if you've got the real estate (And with 16
slots on the motherboard, you're wasting a lot of real
estate anyway).  

skip> and use standard SIMMs for both Chip and Fast RAM.  

Pardon the bluntness, but you obviously don't understand how
Chip RAM and the AA chip set work.  If you're hoping to use
el-cheapo MAC SIMMS in there, you're sadly mistaken.  They
don't support SC page mode operations.  The ones that do are
more expensive (At last check) than the ZIPs in the 3000.
Easier to install, I'll grant you, but more expensive.  I get
the idea that you're trying to cut costs on this puppy, so
that's a no go.  For main memory, the same deal.  

skip> I don't know what the AA chipset allows as far as the
skip> amount of Chip RAM, but a couple of SIMMs for it and 4-8
skip> for the Fast RAM should be enough.  Users could choose
skip> either cheap Zorro II boards or go for fancier Zorro III
skip> boards for things like hard drives.

This _would_ open up the third party for ZIII SCSI-II
controllers and the like, but I think mostly you'd end up with
people wanting to know why their old PIO HD controllers slow
down their new gee-whiz machines.  Bad PR and a support
nightmare.  

skip> Skip Sauls

All in all, this machine would probably end up costing you at
least as much as a 3000 and gains you very little.  The CPU
slot is a good idea, but the rest is, I think, just a little
off base.

                                                        - MM

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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:52:04 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <37550@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> by nverenin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Spumoni the Fat Wok   ):
> In article <1992Sep01.173716.2083@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:

> >BTW, I own an A3000/25 and a grip on reality.

> Oh, yeah, I own an A2000 and a <tenuous> grip on reality.(which you

    I have an A2000 with an A2630 at home, a PS/2 Model 60 at work.
    And absolutely NO graphics enhancements, despite a prediliction
    for GIFs, GLs, FLIs, etc.

> : nverenin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu  :  A2000   : Disclaimer-:- All opinions:
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:15:49 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
:    This is one of the many problems with the Amiga: no consolidation.  On
: the Mac systems, there is one program that has hypermedia, multimedia, and
: full authoring-system capabilities in one package: HyperCard.  On the Amiga,
: you have to string together several different programs in a loose collections
: using ARexx.  The worst thing about this is that it makes it very difficult
: to put together presentations that will run on just about any Amiga system.
: Even if the user happened to have all the software used to make the 
: presentation, the paths to the necessary files are probably wrong (and the
: Amiga OS does not have any facilities to go looking for files that are not
: found on a specified path).

I was referring to the soon-to-exist AmigaGuide.library, and its
functions, giving a system-standard way rather than a single program.
Things like that, IMHO, do belong as shared libraries in a system like
the Amiga.

Now a multimedia.library would be interesting, wouldn't it?  It would
need functions which would allow you to play animations and display
pictures in windows, and functions which would access drivers which
would access external stuff like video recorders and laserdiscs.

Actually, it sounds kind of neat.  :)

Greg

PS:  And even Apple thinks IPC is a good idea.  There's no point in
slamming one of the strengths in a system, referring of course to
"stringing together" apps in ARexx.

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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:31:05 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <64812@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.054653.28730@pdnfido.fidonet.org>
> bill@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Bill Lanides) writes:
>
> |In article <64630@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
> |
> |>Rather than IFF pix, might I suggest "faces" format?
> |
> |Faces?? Has anyone here even HEARD of faces???
> |JPEG is by far the standard! It's as small as you can get, it's 24-bit, and
> |it's made for digitizing thousand color+ images like a human face.
>
> Sheesh.  Like _any_ Amiga can display 24-bits-deep images?
>
> Go ahead, send your 640x480x24 (921 KiloBytes) pictures to Skip and see how
> far it gets across the net.

JPeg will take that 921K bytes and turn it into 92K and often much less.  Food
for thought.  FWIW, I would like to see some sort of 256 color format, at
least, used.

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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
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