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From: colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: My Quest for the Right Mast - or - Turbocharging a North Prisma
Date: 13 Aug 92 07:21:37 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

In article <1992Aug11.215241.16977@nntp.hut.fi>, jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri
Munkki) writes:
|> I hope someone disagrees, but I also hope that you try what I did
|> before we start a flame war.

not having actually tried what you did, I thus won't start a flame war :-)

Just a word taht modern sails apparently cannot be judged on their look
anymore. For slalom sails, it has been said here and in mags that the sail
should definitely look as ugly as possible when rigged, and it would take its
shape only powered up (windsurfing mag. advised having two people standing on
the base and tip of the mast of the layed down rig to judge the rigging)

Here in a french mag, when trying the the 92 UP wave sails, they had an ugly
fold near the mast taht they could not rig away, but once on the water,
with more that 20 knts (intended wind range) the sail took its shape..

So, that I wanted to say is I think you are still better off using the
recommened mast rather than choosing one by just the on-the-beach looks.
Moreover, 1 inch of more/less out/down haul can be more significant than mast
differences...

Note: I personally  only have wave sails, except a 6.0 prisma for light, boring
      days...
Note: I also have a north space tech, which I found a very good mast: light,
responsive and european wave-proof (you may want their wave tech for hawain
conditions..)

-- 
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Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
From: kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sailing without a fin
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:26:52 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <Bt8n75.2ry@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert Poortinga) writes:
>So anyway, I was wondering what other experiences, methods, etc. other
>net.boardheads have had with losing their fin/finbox.


I blew out a fin and fin box out in the waves at Manzanita 4 weeks
ago.  I got big air off the last set of waves, landed a little
sideways and *snap*.

Since I was in the impact zone on a logo high wave day, I didn't
have the time nor inclination to do the harness drag gig.  I got
things turned around and "arm-stronged" it in through the waves,
back to the beach.  I had another sailor to swim in with who had
just did the same thing I did off the next wave and exploded his
North boom into several parts.

That was the worst breakdown I've had all year.  others?

Gorge Report:  There is an upper level low pressure system that will
move into the PNW tomorrow from British Columbia.  This will spill
marine air into western Oregon and should give us good wind in the
Gorge for the next several days.  Hopefully much of the clouds and
moisture associated with this low will not invade eastern Oregon.

I'm looking forward to the cooler weather.  I was beginning to think
I lived in California again :)


Ken
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From: knabe@ECRC.DE (Fritz Knabe)
Subject: Re: HELP!:  Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:26:32 GMT

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is extremely nasty. When I was at Carnegie Mellon,
someone raised the subject and the replies flooded in. It can be very
debilitating, even after surgery. There were some real horror stories.

The question of course is how to prevent it. One way that CTS arises is from
"lazy" typing posture. This is when your wrists rest on the table in front
of your keyboard. In correct typing posture, you are supposed to keep your
wrists up, with your hands sort of hanging down. To make this easier, typing
tables are usually at a lower height than desks.

Not all of us have the luxury of a typing table, and it can be quite awkward
to try and adopt the correct typing style otherwise. The solution is a wrist
support, which is just a strip of something in front of your keyboard that
can support your wrists. A few companies sell these ready-made, but you can
make your own. I use a piece of foam rubber about 1 1/2" thick, about the
length of the keyboard, and several inches wide. My forearms rest on this,
leaving my hands at the right height to avoid strain on the tunnel.

I had never noticed signs of CTS, so this is just cheap insurance. After the
posts came out, a tremendous number of people in the department began using
wrist supports. Acute CTS can mean things like losing the ability to type,
and for computer users that's a pretty severe restriction!

--Fritz Knabe
From: kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: I go to the Gorge - It shuts down
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:47:26 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <79993@bcsaic.boeing.com> dgm1626@bcsaic.boeing.com (David Munoz) writes:
>Check Clatskanie first. It's northwest of portland, halfway 
>between Portland and Astoria (coast).  If it's cool and cloudy 
>on the coast and hot in Portland then there's bound to be wind
>in Clatskanie.

It's also one of the most polluted areas of the Columbia.  Lot's of
Dioxin from nearby pulp mills in Longview and other nasty things in
the water there......
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From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: What's the best Vehicle?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 13:19:26 GMT

In article <8970010@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com> keith@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Keith Millar) writes:
>I have a chrysler voyager and have nothing but praise for the car/van. 
>

I agree with your article Keith. I also have a voyager and love it. However,
I must correct you. It is a plymouth not a chrysler. I add this just in case
someone tries to find a chrysler voyager and can't.

>
>PS: Neither I (nor family or friends) are affiliated with chrysler in any way
>    else I would have gotten a free one.

Or plymouth for that matter :-).

I also own a toyota tercel wagon. I use this mostly since my wife carries the
sea urchins (our two toddlers) in the voyager on a regular basis. The tercel
is great also. I removed the front passenger seat. This way I can carry my
sail quiver bag and two short boards inside. I also carry all my other gear
such as the junk bag with all the small accessories. It works out great for
me since I can use the tercel to work and play while the voyager is used
for longer trips and family "bringalongs".


-- 
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Middletown,NJ        {     (908)957-5081    }       and a company sickday!"
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From: edwilson@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Wilson)
Subject: HELP!:  Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:39:54 GMT

I'm beginning to notice symptoms of what I think is carpal tunnel syndrome.

 - My index and middle fingers on each hand sometimes feel numb and 
   tingly, especially after a hard day of windusurfing, like I had 
   yesterday at Coyote Pt. (4 solid hours of 4.8)
 - Sometimes when completing a jibe, my back hand will get a quick 
   tingling when sheeting in (as the wrist rotates and takes up the 
   load of the sail).

I sail about 3 days a week at Coyote or Crissy, and spend many of my 
non-windsurfing hours typing on a computer (and reading rec.windsurfing), 
so I guess I'm a prime candidate for CTS.

I think it's in its early stages, and I'd like to nip this thing in 
the bud, so does anyone out there have advice on how I can stop this?
Reducing time on the water is not out of the question, but I'd prefer
something else (perhaps reducing time in front of the computer, but this
might be difficult to explain to my boss).  

I use a seat harness, which takes most of the load, except when I'm 
jumping like I was yesterday.  I have my back hand palm-down and my 
front hand palm up (except when jibing).

Also, does anyone know more about CTS?  All I know is that it's nerve 
damage in your wrists and that if you let it go, it can get really 
really bad.  How scared should I be?

Thanks for your help,

Ed Wilson

Aerospace Robotics Laboratory      Email:  ed@sun-valley.stanford.edu
Durand Bldg, Stanford University   Lab:    (Durand 010B) 415-725-3293
Stanford, CA   94305               Office: (Durand 013)  415-723-1260
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Conditions at Cape May, NJ ????????
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:38:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: vmd.1684811452.EPLUS17
Organization: C.C.S.O.


 
In article <1992Aug19.150333.8456@swift.cs.tcd.ie>
cpmcgann@swift.cs.tcd.ie writes:
 
>
>I am staying in the US for September and October and will be living
>in Cape May, New Jersey. Does anyone have any info on this location
>as regards windsurfing. For example, average wind strength,
>availability and cost of rental equipment.
 
>Thanks for any info.
 
i write this while on a two week vacation (from Illinois) in Ocean City...
just a hop up the coast from Cape May.  I windsurfed five days, using sails
from 5.4 to 10.0.  (I also sailed a small sailboat several days that the wind
didn't want to hold up my 10.0).  Its been a cold and rainy summer...I wish I
had brought a wetsuit..this is the first time in over a dozen summer trips to
the Jersey shore that I found the weather/water cold.
 
Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans          Those who can, teach;
                                     those who can't, don't;
eplus17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu             and too many who think they
or EPLUS17@UIUCVMD                   can teach neither can nor do.
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From: Harald.Brandt@eua.ericsson.se (Harald Brandt)
Subject: Re: Fins - Spins - Booms - Boards - and Booboos
Organization: Ellemtel Utvecklings AB, Sweden
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:59:19 GMT

In article <3814@wyse.wyse.com> jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) 
writes:
> As for the word 'Kook'. I don't think it all that derogatory. If I were
> floundering around at the hatch (which I would surely be), then I would 
expect to be 
> regarded as a 'kook', but ...

My dictionary says that 'kook' means (as one of the two given  Swedish 
words, translated back again word-for-word to English): 'cork-head', or 
'cork-skull'.  I think this is a better and funnier translation than the 
translater intended - a head floating like a cork beside his windsurf 
equipment!  So 'kooks' perhaps should have been 'corks' ? :-)

I personally seem to have been inclined to to do lots of 'cork-jibes' - 
although not so much any more, unless in (too) difficult waves of course 
:-)


Phone: +46 8 727 39 55  Fax: +46 8 749 05 94
Ellemtel Utvecklings AB
Box 1505
S-125 25 Alvsjo
Sweden
From: short@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Nancy Short)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:40:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Transition Board or Short Board???
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

   i would go for the short board option. get something around 9'8" and
floaty and resign yourself to spending some time paying your learning
to waterstart dues. forget the daggerboard. you can still uphaul if you
really need to, but once you learn to waterstart you will be much happier
with this than a transition board. and if learning to waterstart is your
next objective.......
:wq


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From: dh@fncrd7.fnal.gov (don husby)
Subject: Someone to Play With?
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:47:36 GMT
X-Posted-From: fncrd7.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


  Is there anybody out there in alt.windsuringland who would like to
show me around the Gorge and keep me from making a Kook out of myself.

  I will be in Portland next week - 28 August - my first time.  I'll
be done with the Intel folks on Friday evening, and plan to spend the
weekend.   (I am an agressive/intermediate windsurfer.)

-
From: sarahs@darce.sybase.com (Sarah Satterlee)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: 5 DAY SUPER SALE -- ends 8/25
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:02:16 GMT
Distribution: ba


Full quiver of sails + bag.................$500
	If separate:
	5.7 monofilm '91 Simmer race.....179
	5.2 tri-cam '87 Wind Wing race...100
	5.0 wave '88 Windsurf Hawaii.....100
	4.6 wave '88 A.R.T. ............. 90
	3.6 wave '88 A.R.T. ............. 90


Mistral board '88 C-Flex.................175
2 booms, Nautix clamp on.................100
mast, aluminum race...................... 50
misc. pads, fins, straps, base........... 75

TOTAL COMPLETE I-NEED-MO-$$$-FOR-SCHOOL..$750
                                         -----
                                         -----

Call Si at 510-524-6076.
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From: bill@turing.toronto.edu (Bill Monhemius)
Subject: UP slalom racing sail recommendations?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Distribution: na  
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:31:24 GMT

I'm thinking of buying a 5.0 UP slalom racing sail for $350 (Can.)

Does anyone have any recommendation or criticism for this sail line from UP?

-Bill


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From: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Gloves and Blisters
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:00:48 GMT
Reply-To: mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram)
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab

In article <1992Aug17.195716.838@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>, bw@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Bruce White 3807) writes:
|> >Another important thing to concentrate on is not gripping the boom.  Put 
|> >the majority of the stress on your harness and a light touch with your 
|> >hands.  One way to accomplish this is to sail with your thumbs resting
|> >on the boom and holding the boom with just your finger tips.
|> >
|> >Bill Martinson
|> >US-940

Another trick is to conciously (sp?) try to hold the boom with just the thumb 
and 2 fingers, and flex the other 2. It reminds you to relax your arms and put
more load on your harness. Dave (an instructor at the delta) showed me this
trick. It seems to work well for me.
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From: wiltonh@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Wilton G Hart)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Gorge News
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:25:21 GMT


There have been some questions asked about how the weather in the Gorge 
has been this year.  

This weekend Bart gave some figures about how the weather has been.  He did
not tell just how he decides which days have wind and which ones do not, but
last year he used 5.0 weather within 2 hours drive of Hood River.

       August                          15 out of 16 days 

       June 1 to August 15             70 out of 75 days

My guess is that he chose June 1 as his starting point because there was some
hot weather in May that would have made his figures look worse.

Now for some questions:

The tunnel near Lyle Washington caved in last week and I heard that some 
people were injured by running into the rocks.  This made Dougs Beach 
a long drive so there were not many people sailing there.  Does anyone know
how bad the people were hurt or any more detail about this accident?

--------

I would like to know just how good my upwind performance really is.  Without
having someone else to sail against, I was wondering if anyone had done any 
measurements?  If you choose a 1/2 mile or 1 mile reach, how far upwind from 
your starting point can you get on one reach out and back?  This assumes a 
regular jibe and not a tack.  If you have done this type of measurement please
list the distance as well as the equipment you were on.  The type of rails on 
the board and the fin have a lot to do with this also so an indication of 
round or square and a fin description would help.  

I have done some measurements on my 8'6" Gorge Animal with a standard Dill 
thick fin and I would like to compare this data.  The board has round rails 
so I know it will not do as well as a course board.
From: nickn@mummy.agsm.unsw.OZ.AU (Nick_Nikov)
Subject: Re: Net Flame War
Organization: Australian Graduate School of Management
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:38:58 GMT

In article <6512@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> wiltonh@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Wilton G Hart) writes:
>
>Before you start another flame war, please check to see if the wind is 
>blowing.  If it is, wait until it stops so those of us who are out catching
>the 3.5 weather at Dougs Beach will not miss out.
>
>On second thought, if it is a temperature difference that causes the wind to
>blow, maybe the flames from netland caused the 3.5 weather on Friday evening.
>If this is true we should plan a flame war for every weekend so we can all 
>have great windy  weather.  Who says you cannot cause the wind to blow?
>
>
>Path: wiltonh@windsurf.cci.tek.com  THE GORGE: Living on the edge of a HURRICANE
>                                 


I after to agree. We have not had wind (even > 10 knots) until I noticed
this flame war. Now we had 70 knot gusts last night and 20 - 30 knot for
a couple of days is expected.

Now ok all you 'kooks', 'heads' and flame heads make it keep on blowing...!!

Hear from you al later after a session....


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From: colas@bagheera.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: baltic sea
Date: 21 Aug 92 07:16:46 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

|> In article <9208191834.AA07725@cs.NYU.EDU> bardet@CS.NYU.EDU (Laurent Bardet)
|> writes:
|> >How slippy are the hands on the wishbone with gloves ?

The best system I have seen (I bought them and used on lakes near paris when I
was a student... 10 years ago!) were gloves with neoprene ONLY on the outside,
but with a loose mesh on the inside. Thus your palm was nearly in contact with
the boom, giving you full control and the thin neoprene was just here to block
the wind. It was super-efficient, and even with 4 degrees (centigrades) water
(0C is the freezing point) it was Ok. You felt the cold when your hands were in
the water, but it didn't develop into "nail-ache" (onglee in french) which thus
seem to be caused more by windchill than water temp...

Here were water temp never gets under 11C but wind chill can be acute with the
cold strong mistral winds, a lot of people just use thin housewife gloves:
thin, good grip and effective wind blockers

PS: - a hood IS the mandatory piece of equipment
    - you WANT some good, very soft progrip grip as it is very warm...

-- 
Colas Nahaboo, colas@sa.inria.fr, Bull Research Koala proj. Wool&Gwm Architect
Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
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From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Transition Board or Short Board???
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:08:11 GMT

>>I'm a beginning windsurfer with a 12' beginner's board.  I've
>>become pretty comfortable with it and am looking for my next
>>board purchase to learn more advanced skills, such as waterstarts,
>>high wind proficiency, etc.  Some friends have suggested boards
>>as short as 9'4", and as long as 10'6" (usually *their* old boards ;-)
>>
For those of you who have been reading this thread and don't have unlimited
wind, I would vote for the transition board.  I have a course board, a
transition board, and a grand slalom (9' 4"?).  The course board gets used
about 40 times per year, the transition board about 25 times and the giant   h
slalom about 6 times.  I can use up to a 7.4 on the transition board, and in
slightly choppy inland water conditions, it is quite a bit easier to handle
than the course board (if there is enough wind to power up a 7.4 or smaller).
 
Now, if I had regular access to winds of 20 mph or better, I might be able
to do without a transition board.  But not everyone has that luxary.
 
Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans          Those who can, teach;
                                     those who can't, don't;
eplus17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu             and too many who think they
or EPLUS17@UIUCVMD                   can teach neither can nor do.
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From: poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert Poortinga)
Subject: Sailing without a fin
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:01:53 GMT

While on vacation last week, I had the unfortunate experience of losing
a fin box about a 1/2 mile out on a 25 kt day.  After several attempts
and much floundering about, I managed to secure my harness around the
back of the board in such a way that I that could sail it in.

Besides losing my FinWorks fin, I also managed to lose my DaKine harness
hook :-(.  That is probably a small price for having learned how to deal
with this situation.

What I did learn is that you must attach the harness as tightly as you can
so that it catches as little water as possible.  I put the biggest harness
strap through the rear foot strap with the top of the harness toward the front
of the board and the legs of the harness toward the rear.  I moved the mast
as far forward as it could go.  Now I was finally able to waterstart.

Once underway, I found that if I sheeted in too much, I would either pearl
the nose of the board or the resistance of the harness was so great that I
could no longer hold onto the booms.  Planing was completely out of the
question.  I was able to slog at just about a broad reach, so I did not end
up too far down wind.

I did make it back without having to be rescued and though it was somewhat
of a humbling experience, my pride (and confidence) was still intact.

So anyway, I was wondering what other experiences, methods, etc. other
net.boardheads have had with losing their fin/finbox.

Bob Poortinga  (6'0", 180 lbs)      It's a hard wind that's gonna blow...
(poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu)      ... R. Zimmerman
[O'Brien 8'8", Bic Hard Rock 9'3", O'Brien GS Race 12', North & Waddell quiver]
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