Organization: Virginia Department of Health
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.christia
Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:38:41 EST
From:         "Michael A. Kline" <MKLINE@VDH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: A Vote For Morality
              10 Nov 1992 11:05:22 GMT from <pmoloney@MATHS.TCD.IE>

On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:05:22 GMT (Paul Moloney) said:
>MKLINE@VDH.BITNET (Michael A. Kline) writes:
>
>God, Mr. Kline, you really are a scumbag. I apologize for the strong
>language to everyone but you. Strong language is often overused these days,
>which has meant it has lost its impact to a certain extent, but I think in
>your case you deserve it.

And God bless you too. You are entitled to your opinion. I sort of remember
your id and this is a bit strong, even for you, but anyhow...

>If you maybe exercised that little brain of yours that God, in his infinite
>humor, decided to bestow on you, you might realize that the reason that
>so many homosexuals commit suicide is that throughout their whole life
>people like you persecute and mock them. Most people can only stand so much.

I'm sorry you think that way. Now, back to the year 4 AD. Do you think "Woe
to you Scribes, HYPOCRITES! You lay heavy burdens on people which you yourself
will not bear." Of course these were religious people and they DESERVE to be
criticized. They were the ones that stoned the gays. Of course if a Scribe
happened to be gay, well maybe he got away with it. I remember the woman
caught in adultery was brought ALONE to Jesus, and the law said BOTH the
man and the woman was to be stoned. Where was the man? A scribe?

I'd be willing to bet that Jesus would  NOT be popular today. He may well have
the gay people flocking around Him and He would still be saying to those who
asked, "It's the sick that need a doctor...." I mean, if a man who simply
THOUGHT about making it with a woman was guilty of adultery, what would be
His comments about Clinton? John the Baptist told the Herod what was "right"
and lost his head over it. I would be willing to be if he had repented, John
would have gladly baptized him, which leads into your next paragraph.

>And please don't give me any "hate the sin, love the sinner" lines, as the
>whole tone of your posting was one of smugness and glee that gays are getting
>what they deserve.

No, not glee and smugness. I deal with pride, rarely, and anger, often. Right
now I deal with a staff that has just about "lost all hope" no raises in 3
years, typical government paper work before you can do anything, and new
"audit" regulations that could turn the typical 15 minute task into a 1.5
day task "write up, evaluate, plan, schedule, get approval, do, get sign
off." Yuck.

The problem is, GOD SAID DON'T. and to say "Naw, don't worry, you're just
fine." It still isn't going to make it right. Don't you notice that in order
for things to be "right", we have to listen to speakers that not considered
sanctioned by typical Christianity? This not only goes for being "gay", but
also for being in adultery, fornication, murder, and the other sins.

The argument seems to be "Well I'm gay, and I'm a Christian, I'm not as bad
as those that murder, molest children and the like... What about them?"
Well, they aren't going to make it either. It's important for all to repent.
Hate them? NO! NO! A thousand times no! They are hurting themselves. There
have been many, many gays in programs like "Set Free" that have indeed
been SET FREE!

Lord, how can I say this? God says they are wrong. I feel the love Jesus
felt. My heart aches, and no matter how happy they appear to be, I can't
help but hurt, and no, it's not homophobic. There's a person here that may
well be gay, and it doesn't matter one way or the other. If he needs help
I help him and try my best to live my life as a witness. Who knows, someday
gay or not, he may find Jesus! That's what's important.

I talked about when Jesus flamed the Scribes for laying heavy burdens on
people...? Some time later He said, "Come unto Me, all ye who labor and are
heavy laiden...." Heavy laiden with what? The burden the Scribes had put on
them. We don't need those burdens anymore, we can be free. Free from anger,
free from hate, free from feeling like murdering, and yes, free from being
"gay", you can have JOY instead.

In books by Dr. Day, Stanley Monteith, Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith, they document
all the health problems from the practices of being gay. They are affected
in their immune system even if they don't have AIDS. They are susceptible
to dog parasites. And, if this article is true, they don't live as long.

Now, we are told we are @#@$$# because we offer a solution that they might
be able to live longer. You know, I would do just about anything, in Christ,
for just about anybody, in fact I don't know who I wouldn't be courteous
to, but if someone was dying and I tried to help, I wouldn't think that
someone trying to put a stop to it would be considered evil, self righteous
and smug.

Focus on the Family has always been a program that has been full of love and
emanates the love of God for people out there hurting. Now they publish
something that shows the "flaws" of the homosexual lifestyle and I get
labeled. I don't mind, when you're complaining about me, someone else is
being left alone. :-)
>
>P.
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That's all find and dandy, but witty won't cut it before Him. Only the
saving grace of Jesus Christ. I pray that you find Him someday and that
He finds you. I pray God's peace upon you. I pray God's forgiveness upon
you and me if in anyway I strayed from His love.

Just to say he loves the sinner means that there are those out there "not
doing right." He love me because I'm not in anyway perfect. Practically
every morning I pray, "God bless these hands and let everything I do be
done right the first time. They labor in vain with out You. And above all,
dear Jesus, let people see YOU in me. If You can do that, if I can get
someone to say, 'You know when I read your posts, see you, hear you talk,
I can't help but think of Jesus. Thank you.' then my life will be complete,
and I will feel that I'm a bit closer to where I should be. Thank You,
Lord for Your help. Forgive me of my sins, and let's get it on, today,
for YOUR glory."

Stop by Richmond someday, paul. I'll put you up and we'll have a good old
time, but you know where I stand.

Your brother in Christ,
Michael Alan Kline, Sr.
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