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Subject: Re: re: Star Fleet Academy - s synchronicity
Distribution: world
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Organization: Geoff Dooleys' TV Repairs
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:39:15 +0000

In article <C1EGGC.8w9@well.sf.ca.us> sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) writes:
> 
> A curious synchronicity. I posted the announcement that you are the first
> class of Star Fleet Academy that would make Star Trek real etc. and
> signed off "Admiral Sarfatti, Head Master etc." I then switched on the TV
> at random and came upon and old black and white flick with the love of my
> life Maureen O Hara about the first class at West Point! It's a
> commercial break - I'm going back to watch it. You self-selected cadets
> should get a hold of Dr. John Lilly's book The Scientist about "Cosmic
> Coincidence COntrol".
> 

Jack who is the publisher for Dr Lilly's book? Do you know the ISBN number?
I would love to read it but it might be hard to get hold of over here.

Have you ever wrote a book?

Have you ever considered time is travelling in reverse? The amount of time
we sleep makes me suspicious, perhaps are brain is planning out what to 
"show" us during the day. Maybe dreams are just information being squashed 
into our minds at incredible rates of speed. If time is travelling in 
reverse at the moment this would explain precognition and the aspect results.

Could you pull some strings at the FBI and get me out this bloody jail, I'm
not mad - I just know the truth.


Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: gst@spdcc.com (Gary S. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: (Compiled?) Out Of Body experiences wanted!
Summary: Try the alt.out-of-body newsgroup.
Reply-To: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:30:35 GMT
Expires: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 00:00:00 GMT

In article <5058@svin09.info.win.tue.nl> pieterf@win.tue.nl writes:

>   * On what ftp- or other site can I access information about
>     OBE and everything related to it?...

There is no ftp site, but there is presently a Usenet newsgroup on the
subject, which has existed since last summer, called "alt.out-of-body."
There was an earlier newsgroup called "alt.oobe," but it should be gone
at most sites, or aliased to the new newsgroup.

If one is unable to get alt.out-of-body, please write to me, asking to
be placed on the alt.out-of-body mailing list (be sure to specify the
list name, since I run other lists on a variety of subjects).

>     I'm especially interested in personal experiences, 
>     described in some detail. 

There have been a number of personal accounts posted recently which
go into some detail.

>   * If there's a FAQ that can direct me to it; please post it here
>     or mail it to my address.

A group of people is (supposedly) working on creating a FAQ, which
will include a reading list.

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    Gary S. Trujillo                             gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts               {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
From: mpajula@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marketta Pajula)
Subject: Re: bizarre experiences wanted
Organization: University of Oulu, Finland
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:02:17 GMT






Here's one!
From: pieterf@wsinfo01.win.tue.nl (Pieter C Filius)
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Subject: (Compiled?) Out Of Body experiences wanted!
Keywords: OBE, etc
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:51:09 GMT
Reply-To: pieterf@win.tue.nl


  Hi regular users and casual lurkers of this group, 
 
  Who can help me out with the following questions?
   
  * On what ftp- or other site can I access information about
    OBE and everything related to it? (research centra, training centra)
    I'm especially interested in personal experiences, 
    described in some detail. 
  * If there's a FAQ that can direct me to it; please post it here
    or mail it to my address.
 
  Only use: at073@cleveland.freenet.edu !
  Thanx in advance, 
  RowdyB
  The Netherlands.
From: colin@Cayman.COM (Colin "Atilla" Steele)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Diverting the cyberspace movement (was Re: Benedikt's Cyberspace)
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:39:26 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu's message of 22 Jan 93 19:08:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.130843.10099@iscsvax.uni.edu> rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu (Will be President for Food) writes:

>what i have in mind is re-appropriating "cyberspace" for the utility
>of culture as a whole (hah! oxymoron there!), directing it away from
>the state of collapsing in on itself that it's currently engaged in.
>and, i guess, of suggesting useful tools & ideas for people who have
>similar desires.  

Can you be more specific?  What do you mean?  What specific uses do
you have in mind for "cyberspace"?  How do you intend to divert it?
What tools and ideas do you have to do this?

What do you think is going to happen to the movement as it exists now?
Why is it collapsing in on itself?
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:06:56 -0500 
From: "William C. Hulley" <bhulley+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: MEMES (was: RE: Cybrspc Grvty, Def of Cybrspc)

Excerpts from netnews.alt.cyberspace: 25-Jan-93 Re: MEMES (was: RE:
Cybrspc.. by John Alan Dunning@chagal 
> Would the information be useful to anyone besides archealogists?  I
> don't know.  What kind of "engines" would run on data fossil fuels?
> I'm not sure.  The idea of old, fractally compressed data turning into
> something useful, like plant matter becoming oil, just seemed kind of
> compelling.  Maybe Hollywood movie companies would employ teams of
> prospectors to look for copies of old movies which everyone has
> forgotten about, so that they could rehash the plots without expending too
> much creative energy.

the value of "lost" technologies might be great given their re-use 
potential. examples include stainglass and weaponary. the windows of
notre dame are essentially irreplacable because the manufacturing art
was undocumented and died with the last of the practicing artists. in
future wars imagine a weapons art where defense and offense are both
based on *big* weapons, oh say, particle and laser beams. now imagine
introducing long-forgotten projectile-based weapons back into the 
mix. (this is a notion that has been pursued more than once in 
sci-fi). in either case, the recovery of the lost technology
creates a monetary (stainglass) or power (weapons) advantage for the
finder.  

- bill
From: tfish@world.std.com (Tex Fish)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: representing Ice?
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:39:10 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <HURH-260193231542@131.225.123.13> HURH@FNAL.FNAL.GOV (Patrick Hurh) writes:
>
>It doesn't seem so odd that security would be broadcast into a visible form
>in cyberspace.  I agree that the best security is if the thief doesn't even
>know the data is there, but I think that would be near-impossible if we're
>talking mega-corps.
>
>Patrick

	I think the very idea of "broadcasting" the image of ICE is a
little farfetched.  It's an enormous amount of bandwidth. In my
conception, Cyberspace would be constructed at the terminal, according to
baisc data, not much more than today, and it would be end-user
configurable.  As to ICE: I don't think Gibson ever says that you could
see the ICE.  Indeed, in _Burning Chrome_ (the story), Bobby Quine talks
about how he "sussed" Chrome's ICE through a number of different sites so
as to avoid getting caught.  This leads me to beleive that appearances in
Cyberspace (according to Gibson) are just that: appearances, and that to
determine the "level" of ICE somebody had, you would actually have to
attempt to break into their system.

-- 
---->Tweety Fish		"I bought that chair, young lady,
---->tfish@world.std.com	 and you're gonna use it!"-MST 3K
---->These opinions are those of GO-FORCE and nobody else. Screw..
From: akenning@zeus.calpoly.edu (AK)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: The Hacker Crackdown
Date: 23 Jan 93 01:03:18 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <C16CGs.Isp@sdf.lonestar.org> pfox@sdf.lonestar.org (David M. Cawthon) writes:
>In article <727432442.F00003@ocitor.fidonet> Chris.Young@f78.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Young) writes:
>>I'm still however looking for a
>>book called The Inner Circle.  It was published in 1986 and has a picture of a 
>>teenage boy on the cover with a black bar covering his eyes.  The storie is
>>about these four kids who turned into a Super Hakcer of the 80's a moder day
>>Cyper Punk.  I don't know the author or the publicer and I can find it in any
>>of the new or used book stores.  I'm willi
>>ng to pay for the book or any leads to help me find this book would be very
>>appreicated.

A very intersting book on the same subject is:
The Cuckoo's Egg by Clifford Stoll.


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:37:39 -0500 
From: "William C. Hulley" <bhulley+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: MEMES (was: RE: Cybrspc Grvty, Def of Cybrspc)


rez, can you or someone else point me to something more formal on memes 
and memetics. i am having some trouble figuring out if this "theory" is a
real set of tools that we can use to recon cspace or just a distraction.

from another thread, what's the difference between mapping and visualization
other than, possibly, the number of dimensions one deals with?
From: loki.trickster@digund.uucp (Loki Trickster) 
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: MEMES (was: RE: Cybrs
Date: 23 Jan 93 20:05:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Digital Underground - PRIVATE
Reply-To: loki.trickster@digund.uucp (Loki Trickster) 

  >> its OTHERS. as paulhz said, those whose memetic feedback loops weren't
  >> reinforced would decay of un-use, and those which were memetically success
  >> would increase in use and re-inforce their links.
PH>sounds more like information evolution than cyberspace gravity to me...

Sounds to me like there are quite a number of us here who have entirely
too much free time.

Loki the "I only use an alias because my sysop MAKES me" Trickster
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From: jdunning@chagall.Princeton.EDU (John Alan Dunning)
Subject: Re: MEMES (was: RE: Cybrspc Grvty, Def of Cybrspc)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:59:25 GMT

In article <paulhz-180193125630@jegog.acns.nwu.edu> paulhz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Paul Hertz) writes:
>Distributed computing systems usually employ a hierarchical file system
>where frequently used data inhabits fast-access media, less frequently used
>data is on slower media, and unused data gets deleted. If you are looking
>for a basis in the physical substrate for "data-gravity" this might do...
>
>Still a long way from leaves sedimenting at the bottom of a pond...but when
>data will be (fractally) compressed and recompressed rather than deleted
>altogether, the metaphor might emerge.

I wonder if what we're doing is actually laying the seeds for the
future, information equivalent of fossil fuels.  Imagine data
prospectors sifting through terabytes of fractally compressed
information.  Most of it is useless, but occasionally they get lucky
and a rich deposit.

Would the information be useful to anyone besides archealogists?  I
don't know.  What kind of "engines" would run on data fossil fuels?
I'm not sure.  The idea of old, fractally compressed data turning into
something useful, like plant matter becoming oil, just seemed kind of
compelling.  Maybe Hollywood movie companies would employ teams of
prospectors to look for copies of old movies which everyone has
forgotten about, so that they could rehash the plots without expending too much
creative energy.

John
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Cyberspace!?
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:33:14 GMT

Cyberspace the attitude.
The look.
the tecnology.
the culture.

Interesting..

==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Im not high, just jacked
From: rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu (Will be President for Food)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: Benedikt's Cyberspace
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:43:39 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <>, mustang@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Paul Christopher Miranda (I love Cheese)) writes:

> So.. any ideas for better coding methods than color  and texture ?
> (And if anyone ever sees a map of internet... show me!)

...well, as my VIRTUAL CULTURE project is in hypertext rather than a stack fo
thesis papers, i've been having to hash out SOME sort of mapping system which 
1: is comprehensible from any point in the matrix ("follow the north star...")
2: is conceptually relative without losing specificity, 3: is grounded in
pre-existant scholarship.

the prototype approach i'm working with right now is based loosely on Karl
Popper's "3 worlds" theory. there are 3 circle-sets on the screen for any
given info-nexus. 
        SET 1 deals in the concrete details of the whole system. "hardware"
type stuff, on a holistic scale. Popper's World 1 was the large world of 
"objective" "stuff."
        SET 2 deals in over-riding trends of the evolution of the whole, *AS
ENCOUNTERED BY THE SOLITARY VIEW.POINT* ... World 2 was the "subjective" world
of "conscious" "stuff."
        SET 3 deals with the filigreed substructures which hold the 2 other
sets together. this stuff is a RESULT of the interaction of the 2. World 3 was
the realm of artifact and medium.
        in net.terms, the system-as-hardware would reside in SET 1. the
system-as-conscious but distant users would reside in SET 2. the
system-as-info.flux (memetic medium) would reside in SET 3.

"hey, now," he says, as he dons his kerosene-soaked lab-coat ;) "it's just a
prototype. besides, at least i'm trying something, even if it's just sticking
my neck on the chopping block..."

.rez
From: rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu (Will be President for Food)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: The Inner Circle Book
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:09:05 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <7>, Chris.Young@f78.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Chris Young) writes:
> I haven't heard back from you about the book yet I was just wondering if you 
> changed your mind??

...no, i *tried* to send a personal message (heh, sorry about this, folks... :P)
but i take it the thing didn't get through...? i'll send my address; you send 
me a personal e-mail note about this, ok? 

send to:
<rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu>

thanks...

.rez
From: ah759@yfn.ysu.edu (Ken Wronkiewicz)
Subject: Re: Benedikt's Cyberspace
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:51:05 GMT


i am cold to texture coding, and color coding.  the ideal map would be a computer program that you would feed your search paramaters into, and then it willgo back at you with a VR, custom map, that rperesents the data in the most intuirive form for you.  
in that way, you would be able to get the most information posible... hypermedia style... like i always present things...
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From: rezabek1037@iscsvax.uni.edu (Will be President for Food)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: Diverting the cyberspace movement (was Re: Benedikt's Cyberspace)
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:57:39 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <>, colin@Cayman.COM (Colin "Atilla" Steele) writes:

> Can you be more specific?  What do you mean?  What specific uses do
> you have in mind for "cyberspace"?  

one would be a means for divergent individuals to BE CONSCIOUS OF determining
their own culture, trans-geographically. this factor is already dawning on
users; my schtick is simply to bring it to the attention of cultural theorists
and "activists."

> How do you intend to divert it? What tools and ideas do you have to do this?

three main ones right now: 1: the metaphor of the MEME. 2: the metaphor of GAIA
(and the Net as ad hoc "central nervous system of GAIA) 3: the approach to
virtual culture suggested by individual need for re-contextualisation. fellows
are met in virtuality first, and secondly in the flesh. cultural cross-exchange
occurs naturally... (this is being tested empirically elsewhere, and by folks
on the Net every day, i'd imagine, without knowing it. i'm largely speaking,
though, of journeys beyond state borders at least...)
  
> What do you think is going to happen to the movement as it exists now?

it's going to keep moving. the movements with labels aren't the only ones.
there are virtual communities out there who don't know WHY they're hanging out
together, but are finding more and more self-organising interaction day by
day... ultimately, what happens to a movement isn't important. it's what
happens to an individual withIN that movement. and that is decided a person at
a time. the movements will take care of themselves, if the previous models are
all they're cracked up to be (fractal chaos, self-organising systems theory,
information/memetic theory...)

> Why is it collapsing in on itself?

those localities that ARE collapsing on themselves are simply those who opt to
ensconse or isolate themselves. actually, communities are expanding and
contracting according to necessity. i really feel that communities won't so
much "collapse" as much as be gobbled up and/or break apart due to internal
strife.

blah blah blah, much (almost)idle speculation...

.rez
From: HURH@FNAL.FNAL.GOV (Patrick Hurh)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: representing Ice?
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:25:51 GMT
Followup-To: alt.cyberspace
Organization: Fermi Lab

In article <1993Jan26.211402.1@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl>,
ruiter@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl wrote:
> 
> While I find it easy to *imagine* cyberspace when reading, for
> instance, "Neuromancer" or anything similar, the idea itself,
> on closer inspection, is rather naive. 
> 
> Take for instance the "Ice" concept of Neuromancer, to stick
> with the classics. In order to know that something is somehow
> 'protected' you must first *try* to break that protection;
> otherwise you don't have any information about the "breakability"
> of security systems. In that case, you cannot hope to represent 
> it. 
> 
> At present, the only way to find out how far you can break into 
> a secured network/database is to try it yourself, and that (as
> we all know) involves a lot of clever hackerism. I could imagine
> a 'sensory system' trying to log in as guest in any connected
> network it can find, and representing the ones that do not 
> allow guest logins as 'Ice'. That would be unsatisfactory, however,
> since there wouldn't be a noticeable difference between the 
> Pentagon and my colleague's unix account. 
> 
Could be that ICE (I believe it's an acronym) is not something that the
protected party wants kept secret.  Ever see security system stickers on
people's cars, homes, etc...?  An extremely ominous graphical
representation of a data site's security (ICE) could help deter would be
thiefs especially if certain ICE representations were particular to certain
types of security.  For example one could think of ICE makers... security
companies that develop highly secure and deadly systems.  By using the same
type of graphical representaion for all of their handiwork for corporations
in cyberspace could deter crime..."Boy that's a Cyberpuke (tm) Death Cloud.
 That ICE is dense and black!  I'm not going in there without anything
short of Chinese military ace breakers!"

Get my drift?

It also gives a legendary feel to being a console cowboy...  "Did ya hear? 
Dixie Flatline burned a Cyberpuke for the Yakuza yesterday?"

It doesn't seem so odd that security would be broadcast into a visible form
in cyberspace.  I agree that the best security is if the thief doesn't even
know the data is there, but I think that would be near-impossible if we're
talking mega-corps.

Patrick
From: atman@rahul.net (Visceral Clamping Mechanism)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Re: The Hacker Crackdown
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:44:15 GMT
Organization: a2i network

(Yet another article that didn't escape from my place of employment.)

In article <C16CGs.Isp@sdf.lonestar.org> pfox@sdf.lonestar.org (David M. Cawthon) writes:
>Landreth, Bill.  _Out_of_the_Inner_Circle_.  Washington:  Tempus Books, 1989.
>
>My book seems to be a second edition; it is white with a picture on the
>front which looks like the door of a safe ajar to reveal an electronic circuit
>board behind the door.  The subtitle of the book is "The True Story of a
>Computer Intruder Capable of Cracking the Nation's Most Secure Computer
>Systems".

Is this the book that deals with the 414s?

-- 
atman@rahul.net  ||  "Burn hollywood burn!"

Sync ye to the beat, and become it; once you understand it, you can destroy it.
From: Owen.Coughlan@f390.n514.z17.illusion.tpg.org (Owen Coughlan)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberspace
Subject: Benedikt's Cyberspace
Date: 17 Jan 93 19:02:00 GMT


 >   (William Gibson even admits that he came up with the word
 > first, then
 >   the concept followed).

You might be interested in a program on Gibson produced by the CBC (Canadian
Broadcasting commission) as an episode of "Adrienne Clarkson Presents" The
Show was based arond Gibson and gave an inadequate (but useful for the novice)
descritpion of Gibson, the "world" he created, and the influence he has had on
contemporary culture (technological and aesthetic).

You may be interested to know he is very wary of the entire movement -- he
tends to "disown" the cyber-punk culture. Most of them have missed the point
of his book (and of many SF novels) -- Science Fiction doesn't predict the
future, it attempts to avoid it. Gibson has had people approach him with
machines they built inspired by his book. In the interview he expressed the
opinion that such people have obviously missed "the point" of his book.

In other words, before you embrace this shiny gritty nasty glamourous
dangerous (and embarrAsingly cinematic) underbelly of technology, take a step
back and see what it's really about!

 >     PPS:  Legal question:
 >           If I develop a workable cyberspace system, can W.
 > Gibson sue me
 >           for a piece of it????

I doubt it. If he had Trade Marked the word, maybe. I think it has become a
piece of contemporary language -- like Cyberpunk, or Star Wars. Lucas tried to
sue the pantagon for using the name of his movie as part of their weapons
project and the case was thrown out of court.

Question: WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN MIND? I'm not out to steal your ideas, I'm just
curious about the feasibility (or necessity) of something called
"Cyberspace".

Also, do you know anything about "Tupple-space"? It's a system for sharing
computers in a paralell processing system, but I'd like more details if you
have themn.

Anyway, good luck.