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Subject: Congratulations solicited
From: jlykset@eis.calstate.edu (Jon D. Lyksett)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:11:57 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

This last weekend, my 10 1/2 year old son, Jamal, accompanied me and the
Explorers of High Adventure Post 2929, on a trip to Joshua Tree Nat'l.
Monument.  This was his first experience on 'real' rock and he spent most
of Saturday paying strict attention to the standard safety and technique
sessions and getting a shot at a 30 ft. rappel.  On Sunday morning, the
group went to Jaime's Rock and set up a top-rope belay on the "Unknown
Crack" (5.7 in the Indian Cove Guide Book).  After several of the older
kids fell off the route, not being able to make the crux move into the 
long jam crack, Jamal asked if he could try.  He laced his shoes up tight,
roped up, and spent 20 minutes working out the move, not once leaning on
the rope or coming loose from the rock.  Just when his steam was about to
run out he said, "I see a little hold right there. I'll try to grab it,"
whereby he lunged and got ahold of it and pulled himself into the
jamcrack. He then clambered up to the top and dropped in a heap, all of the
older kids cheering wildly.

This kid weighs about 68 pounds, soaking wet after Thanksgiving Dinner, is
not what you'd call an athlete, but his feeling after this accomplishment
was no less than that of winning the World Series.

If anyone would like to send word of congratulations and encouragement,
Jamal has his own e-mail account at school:

Jamal Lyksett    email: jalykse@eis.calstate.edu

Thanks, 
Jon Lyksett, a proud dad.


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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Trip Report: A Day in Eldorado
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:40:05 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Nov17.001203.8692@guinness.idbsu.edu> jahn@guinness.idbsu.edu writes:
>In article <106480311@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM
> (John Byrnes) writes:
>|>
>|>I don't think it's Xenophobia.  I think it's
>|>fear-of-becoming-like-california:
>|>Californiphobia.  (i.e. Overcrowded, and all the things that stem from
>|>that.)
>
>Hmmm, I'm confused.  Why would folks in Colorado be afraid of this?
>Aren't they used to overcrowding yet?    :-)

Greg,

Best keep a low profile, lest we all come swarming up to Idaho.



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From: cptully@med.unc.edu (Christopher P. Tully,Pathology,62699)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Archives?
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:44:39 GMT
Reply-To: cptully@med.unc.edu
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

Is this group archived anywhere?  If so, where?

email replies are great, unless you think this info needs to be widely distributed.


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From: barsun@triton.unm.edu (hans f  barsun)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: heuco tanks closed for 2 wks
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:07:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.=qjqj4j
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


  oops, my other post got a little mangled.  
  the reason the Heuco Tanks is temporarily shut down is that gang
graffiti was being sprayed over petroglyphs (sp?).   the management is
using the 2 week closure to figure out what new policies to implement.  
there is a public meeting about the park on tues, 11/17 in El Paso.
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
From: mlord@bmers63.bnr.ca (Mark Lord)
Subject: Re: 'Vital' stats (was: Re: Macho quiz (for Laura))
Organization: BNR, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:53:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.234226.1@stsci.edu> kochte@stsci.edu writes:
>
>(okay, so I'm a climbing-wuss)
>
>Statistics (as they stand now): pull-ups--> 5 (I know I can do 10 or so when
>						I'm "in shape")
>				Climb (flash, 95%)--> 5.9 (tr)
>				Best lead-->  5.8 (on-sight flash; red-point)
>				2nd 'best' lead--> 5.9 (pro already placed;
>							pink-point)
>				Best top-rope--> 5.10 (easy)

Here's what a few extra pull-ups do for me.. :)

                                pull-ups--> 15
				Climb (flash, 95%)--> 5.9 (on lead, of course)
				Best lead-->  5.11- (on-sight, one fall)
				2nd best lead--> 5.10 (Gunks, on-sight flash)
				Best top-rope--> 5.11+ (hard)
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From: gnray@world.std.com (Garry N Ray)
Subject: Re: Law Suits!!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:02:27 GMT

In rec.climbing you write:

>The right to sue is intimately tied to issues of free speech.
>You can sue if you got what you regard as improper instruction,
>or faulty equipment, or your climbing partner looking at you funny.
>Do you want to forego these rights?  Do you understand these rights
>as I have read them to you [it doesn't matter any decent lawyer could

This is absurd Eugene. Mailing a letter to your senator is free speech;
this forum is free speech; printing a newsletter on your own dime is free
speech. But I fail to see the "free speech" in filing a suit against some
poor farmer because YOU got in trouble while climbing on HIS property, or
against a harness manufacturer because you didn't properly use the
equipment (take a look at Climbing Accidents, any issue). While I do
believe that YOU should be able to sue your partners if you choose, I also
think you and your attorney should cough up every penny of court costs and
damages to your partners' reputations if you lose. You might then consider
whether "he looked at me funny" is sufficient grounds to totally devastate
you partners' lives for a few years.

>you will get a settlement, it does not mean you will win, but you can sure
>put the fear of God in some people.  Cause them to spend sleepless nights
>and spend money on a defense lawyer.

Exactly the point. You ever known anyone on the receiving end of such a
suit, Eugene? No reasonable motive except "to put the fear of God" into the
defendant? Not a pretty sight. And the more the "fear of God" motive, the
more vicious the suit becomes. Lives are destroyed, living hells are enacted.

>4) Plus I have a friend (a climber) who once owned land,
>	was sued for a climbing accident (settled out of court for $30K,
>	down from $1M), and is on the verge of having his ex-neighbors sue
>	him.  This is on going, and I watch with "interest."

I guess these patriotic citizens are pretty excited about the
profit-making potential of the 1st Amendment. Beats "Wingo," eh?
From: bobh@minaret.hwr.arizona.edu (Bob Harrington)
Newsgroups: rec.climbing
Subject: Re: Macho quiz (for Laura)
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:05:07 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona -- Tucson, AZ

In article <106480314@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> j_elison@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Elison) writes:
>In rec.climbing, bobh@minaret.hwr.arizona.edu (Bob Harrington) writes:
>
>> Pull-up strength almost completely controls
>> how hard a route you can do in the Shawangunks,
>
>You are joking, right?  TECHNIQUE almost completely controls how hard a route
>you can do ANYWHERE!
>

Well I'm not joking; I'm just wrong.

You're certainly right about technique; I stand corrected. Let me 
rephrase: "Pull-up strength is the most important strength factor for climbing
in the Shawangunks".  Your point that technique beats strength (almost) 
every time is true.

>
>> I think the correlation between finger strength and climbing
>> ability is likely to be stronger. Or better, finger strength divided by body
>> weight.
>> 
>Contact strength.
>This is the most important strength factor.  But even finger strength has two
>aspects: power and endurance.  What's the worst/smallest hold you can grab
>from the ground and pull on? vs. How long can you move on holds that are 50%
>bigger than that worst hold?  These are very different.
>

I wonder how well correlated these two types of strength are in an individual.

>
>Mort

Bob Harrington
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: zkym02@hou.amoco.com (Keerthi Y. McIntosh)
Subject: Re: Tatting
Reply-To: zkym02@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:58:40 GMT

jdboer@sol.UVic.CA (Johan deBoer) writes:

>A friend of mine is interested in tatting. Does anyone know of some
>titles of books about this craft. She is a beginner, not too difficult
>books are therefore probably more appropriate.

I just recently learned how to tat (the last year) and have made alot of progress with ALOT of patience... but well worth the effort.  Someday I hope to complete my dream project ... a tatted angel for my christmas tree!! :)

Anyway I learned by buying supplies from WALMART.  They have a wonderful selection of inexpensive threads of different thicknesses.  Start thick if you are a beginner it is easier to see the knots.  There is LEARN HOW TO book put out by Coats and Clark.  A great book to start any handicraft.... It includes knitting, crocheting, tatting and embroidery and it is inexpensive also... about $4.  It includes patterns for the different stages of a beginner... just a shuttle, a shuttle and a ball, or 2 shuttles an












d a ball.  They also have a book of lace edgings in tatting, knitting and crochet.  A lace hanky or lace towels are nice projects to start on.... they are simple and are very rewarding.    There are many books that discuss tatting but I really think WALMART is a good place to start.... minimal financial investment and maximum enjoyment..


 By the way, I am not associated with either Coats and Clark or WALMART... but I commend them for encouraging the arts of tatting, knitting and crochet.  


Good Luck

Keerthi
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: jlbrand@pb2esac.uucp (Jack Brand)
Subject: Loom for sale
Organization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, Oakland, CA.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:16:24 GMT

For sale:

	Nilus Leclerc 60" Loom

		- 4 harnesses
		- excellent shape
		- $800.00 or best reasonable offer


Jack Brand
Concord, CA.
(510) 825-1665
jlbrand@pacbell.com
From: spang@calstatela.edu (Sue P.)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: Making fans
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:55:30 GMT
Reply-To: spang@calstatela.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Cal State University, Los Angeles

Hello,

Where ever you are, if you can find a town named Chinatown, I promised you will find large fans.

Good luck!!!
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From: jill@super.org (Amelia J. Scott-Piner)
Subject: Re: Soap making
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center (Bowie, MD)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:21:37 GMT

In a previous post on soap making:  

sardine                 191             .135
sperm whale, body       122-130         .086 - .092
sperm whale, head       140-144         .099 - .102
baleen whale            195             .138
butterfat               227             .161
human fat               196.2           .139
*^^^^^^^^^*
lard                    194.6           .138
neat's foot             190-199         .135 - .141
beef tallow             197             .140
mutton tallow           194             .138


An example: you have 12 oz of lye, and want to mix your oils 75% soy
(shortening) and 25% coconut.

<etc..deleted for brevity>

Hmm, leads to some rather interesting experiments....

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)


From: sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:28:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Making fans
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc

In rec.crafts.misc, v087q5jd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

 >I have a problem perhaps one of you could solve... A friend of mine is
 >getting married in June and wants to carry oriental type fans down the alter.
 >Thus she needs 4 middle sized, very nice fans.

 >Does anyone know how to make them, or does anyone out there make them on
 >commission?  We are getting desparate!!!  If you have an idea how to do it, or
 >are willing to sell some that you have make, please mail me!  Thanks!

I recommend that you look for any cheepo paper fan, cut out some lace the same
size and shape as the open fan, cut off the paper that came on it and glue the
lace on.  Trim the edge with some lace or ribbon, put a tassle on the end and
you are done.
From: Alan Deacon
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: Any dippers out there?
Date: 23 Nov 92 13:31:38 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

ez006087@dale.ucdavis.edu writes:


> I inevitably get some spit-juice-tobacco bits on my hand and then
> it just finds its way to my keyboard.  Being hi-tech and all, I want
> to keep my keys working for a long long time.  So I came up with this
> idea of mounting a spittoon on my monitor or pc.  What I was wondering
> was if anybody has any experience in this matter and could offer a
> good ole boy some advice?

How about covering the keyboard with one of those rubber covers. I know
they feel a bit weird, and full finger-key tactile response is dampened,
but at least you'ld be able to spit freely! You could also spill coffee
over it with impunity, and even eat twinkies without crumbs getting down 
into all those intimate crevices.

If you replaced your mouse with a touch sensitive monitor you could also
open/close windows etc. just by spitting at the screen. Of course dragging
icons would be a bit hard...

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From: david@talgras.UUCP (David Hoopes)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: Leather boots
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:53:04 GMT
Reply-To: david@talgras.UUCP (David Hoopes)
Organization: Tallgrass Technologies Inc.

In article <17NOV199201150644@sigma.tamu.edu> css0860@sigma.tamu.edu (CSS) writes:
>Howdy folks!  
>After once again attending the Texas Renaissance Festival (WHOOOP!!)
>and gawking at the prices on the awesome boots made by Bald Mountain Moccasins,
>I'm wondering if anyone can direct me to a source of knowledge about
>how to make boots like these.  Thse are soft-leather(ie not like country
>boots) full-calf boots.  Thanks!!!!!
>

I am also looking for information on making boots, and shoes.  I would like
to make some for an 1850s period outfit, that I wear when I work at a local
historic site.  Does anyone know where I can get any books, or magazines 
that would have this info?  Are there any news groups that discuss 
historic reenactments (not SCA)?

Also if anyone knows of any catalogs that have period dress items, please
let me know.

Thanks


I am also interested in sources 

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From: wangc@cpsc.UCalgary.ca (Carol Wang)
Subject: bell caps and rocks
Organization: The University of Calgary
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 02:35:06 GMT

i recently came up with the idea of making a bracelet with small
(.5-1cm long) polished rocks dangling from it.  when discussing this
idea with my local rock and lapidary establishment employee, they
suggested bell caps and epoxy.  the problem with this (i think) is the
smoothness of the polished rocks (the epoxy instructions say that you
should roughen the surfaces before gluing) since 2 of my rocks have
come away from their bell caps (yes, i did wait the 16hrs the epoxy
instructions said was needed for the glue to set).  i'd hate to have
to scratch up the rocks before gluing, and am not sure how i would go
about doing that since most are at least as hard as quartz.

am i wrong?  is there a remedy?  is drilling difficult and expensive 
(the drill itself, ruined rocks . . .)?

carol
From: as_radfo@csd.uwe.ac.uk (AS Radford)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Sugarcraft/dried flowers
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:05:03 GMT
Organization: University of the West of England, Bristol


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From: kelso@eng.umd.edu (John Kelso)
Subject: Re: transparent soap (REPOST)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:11:37 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

(This is a repost, as my first one only had local distribution.)

Hi,

The book "The Art of Soap Making" by Marilyn Mohr (Camden House, 1979) has
a recipe for making transparent soap.  Basically it says that any good pure
soap can be made into a transparent soap by shaving the soap, and heating
it in a alcohol mixture, "essentially a conversion from the crystalline to
the colloidal state".  Right.   8^)  I find this is a so-so book in general,
not being as precise as I might otherwise want.  My main soap making book
is "Soap: Making it Enjoying it" by Ann Bramson (Workman, 1975), which has
enough detail to really let you feel like you know what you're doing.
Other soap making books I've gotten out of the University's Chemistry
Library, and have been interesting, technical, and good for creating your
own soap recipes.

Have fun,

John
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From: cheryl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cheryl Trooskin)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: bell caps and rocks
Date: 22 Nov 1992 04:07:20 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov19.122652.9895@newstand.syr.edu> isr@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Michael S. Schechter - ISR group account) writes:

>Wheres a source to get half-drilled stones? (rock or semi-pr or prec)
>Or, how does one drill 'em.. I've tried using solid carbide drills
>at both 1000 and 8000 rpm on amethyst... they go in about 1/64" and then
>just don't penetrate further..

I've seen half-drilled stones in catalogs from Fire Mountain Gems and River
Gems and Findings, both of which have been mentioned in this group...for
anyone who missed the addresses the first time around:

Fire Mountain Gems			River Gems and Findings
28195 Redwood Highway			6901 Washington NE
Cave Junction, OR  97523-9304		Albuquerque, NM  87109
800-423-2319				800-443-6766
					800-253-9738 (Canada)

River Gems and Findings has a better size selection and prices but the
half-drilled beads only come in packages of twelve, for seven or eight
dollars a package depending on the size and stone, and there's a sizable
discount for bulk orders.  Fire Mountain Gems doesn't give much size 
leeway, but you can buy the stones singly, for $.75 each, and they'll 
match them in pairs if you ask.  Both these catalogs have all sorts of
other things too, and they'll send you a one if you call.

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: sallyh@StarConn.com (Sally Holmes)
Subject: Re: Bread Dough For Crafts
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:19:48 GMT

"Christopher P. Dingman" <cd24+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>I have a recipe from the Better Homes and Gardens "Holiday Crafts Kids
>Can Make" book for a bread dough which can be used for Xmas ornaments,
>etc.

>The basic recipe is 2 cups flour, 1 cup salt, and 1 cup cold water.

>This can be mixed with white acrylic paint, or dyed with food color.

This is a recipe for Play-Do. Cheaper than the real stuff, and kids
don't like to eat it because it's so salty. Be careful using food
colouring, though: many food colourings colour protein better than
anything else, and will stain skin quite badly.

Does anyone have any other play-do recipes? 

Sally

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Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:47:23 -0500 
From: "Christopher P. Dingman" <cd24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Bread Dough For Crafts

I have a recipe from the Better Homes and Gardens "Holiday Crafts Kids
Can Make" book for a bread dough which can be used for Xmas ornaments,
etc.

The basic recipe is 2 cups flour, 1 cup salt, and 1 cup cold water.

This can be mixed with white acrylic paint, or dyed with food color.

It looks like they mainly recommend making everything about 1/2" in
thickness and baking these in the oven at 325 degrees for one to two
hours, until hard. Cool them on wire racks.  Once they are cooled, use a
slotted spoon to dip them in the paraffin.

I have seen a lot of these dough ornaments in the stores this year and
can't wait to try this myself!

Bambi Dingman
From: okunewck@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Phil OKunewick)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: Making fans
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:39:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Random, at best

>Where ever you are, if you can find a town named Chinatown, I promised
>you will find large fans.

   ...unless there is no Chinatown for hundreds of miles.  (Is there
one in Buffalo?)

   At any rate, there are a couple oriental countries in Epcot Center,
in Walt Disney World.  I'm almost certain I've seen oriental fans for
sale there.  If you don't find another source to mail-order these, I
recommend contacting Walt Disney World (Orlando, FL) and asking
around.  It may take a couple long-distance phone calls to get to the
right vendor.

   (People worry about the silliest things when preparing for a wedding.)
From: david@talgras.UUCP (David Hoopes)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Ever heard of Craft Report Mag
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:36:03 GMT
Reply-To: david@talgras.UUCP (David Hoopes)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tallgrass Technologies Inc.


Hello,
    I got an advertisment for a subscription to a magazine called 
"Craft Report".  It seems to be targeted for crafts people who sell
their wares.

    Has anybody ever heard of or seen this Magizine?  Is it worth $24
a year?

thanks.

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From: cheryl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cheryl Trooskin)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
Subject: Re: bell caps and rocks
Date: 18 Nov 1992 04:54:44 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

>i recently came up with the idea of making a bracelet with small
>(.5-1cm long) polished rocks> dangling from it.

If you are not too attached to the idea of using bell caps and rock
chips, you can consider half-drilled stones with eye screws or anything
else with a pin.  You still have to use epoxy to bond the stones on, but
in my experience, the bonding has been more permanent than with just
bell caps.

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.misc
From: css0860@sigma.tamu.edu (CSS)
Subject: Leather boots
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:15:00 GMT

Howdy folks!  
After once again attending the Texas Renaissance Festival (WHOOOP!!)
and gawking at the prices on the awesome boots made by Bald Mountain Moccasins,
I'm wondering if anyone can direct me to a source of knowledge about
how to make boots like these.  Thse are soft-leather(ie not like country
boots) full-calf boots.  Thanks!!!!!

-CSS

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