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From: scott@ferrari.LABS.TEK.COM (Scott Huddleston)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: update1 -- straw poll: Alok bozo or not?
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:57:36 GMT
Reply-To: bozo-yes@crl.labs.tek.com
Organization: Computer Research Laboratory, Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton OR

42 responses so far.  Alok, I have 42 clues for you.  You're being a bozo.
You're making quite a Usenet Olympics entry, but you're not helping either 
yourself or the SCIA cause.  Please, give it a rest.

For the record, we're voting on the question, "Is Alok a bozo or not?".
In particular, should the following important choice, which Alok omitted
from his most recent straw poll, have been included in his straw poll:

>3.  Alok is a bozo who has destroyed whatever credibility he might once
>have had, and his continued involvement in SCIA group matters is useless
>at best, and counterproductive at worst.  If he had a clue he'd desist
>and keep quiet, but he has turned down many offers of a clue.

Send votes to
   bozo-yes@ferrari.labs.tek.com
or
   bozo-no@ferrari.labs.tek.com

Thanks to all participants.  A selection of the responses so far 
gives additional insight:

-----
I checked in my dictionary under "bozo" and there was Alok's name & picture.
-----
The man has no credibility and no idea of how ridiculous he looks.
He's pathetic.  If this vote will get him to stop, I'll have done
my good deed for the day.
-----
Subject:  Hope you are serious!
-----
Now here's a poll I can happily take part in.  :-)  I bet it gets more votes
than Alok's does, too.
-----
I vote Alok is a megabozo.
-----
>"Is Alok a bozo or not?"

ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY YES!!!!!!!!
     Actually, kibo would better be able to classify him in his "happynet"
idea, alt.megabozo.alok deserves to be created.
-----
Subject: bozo ( should be clueless bozo )
-----
I wasn't involved in this whole mess, but I have been following it. I don't
know if you were joking or not, but Alok is such a twerp, I figured I'd
send this just in case it is for real.
-----
YES, YES, YES!! ALOK IS A BOZO.
-----
Subject: Who'd vote no?
  This is the most meaningful vote I've participated in on USENET.
-----
Yes, Alok is a bozo.  I voted yes for the revote, but that does not mean
that I think it will pass.  I say, Let the peoples voice be heard.
-----
Of course he is.
-----
Mega-bozo.

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From: cjm@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Chris McConnell)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.jobs.offered reorganization
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:40:15 GMT



From article <a_rubin.703465990@dn66>, by a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin):

> In <84104@bu.edu> pankaj@pub2.bu.edu (Pankaj Tyagi) writes:

>>In article <1992Apr13.181615.16879@uunet.uu.net> root@dogear.spk.wa.us

>>(Bob Kirkpatrick) writes: 

>>    This RFD supercedes the previous issue, which did not address all of the
>>    proposed changes.

>>    REMOVE: misc.jobs.offered

>>    CREATE: misc.jobs.entry    = positions offered to entrylevel applicants
>>            misc.jobs.expert   = positions offered to the experienced
>>            misc.jobs.recruit  = positions offered by recruitment agents

> My opinion is that they should be:
>              misc.jobs.offered.entry
>              misc.jobs.offered.expert
>              misc.jobs.offered.recurit(er)   


My opinion is that they should be:
              misc.jobs.offered.entry
              misc.jobs.offered.experienced
              misc.jobs.offered.recurit(er)   
		
That's it.

Chris

Christopher J. McConnell  --  Computer Science and Engineering 
                              Graduate of Northern Arizona University  
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From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: "sequential art forms"  (rec.arts.{comics.}manga)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:55:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1992Apr10.185506.1296
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

In article <axolotl.702884244@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) writes:
> >Is anyone here using "sequential art forms" to mean movies?  If so,
> >I've misunderstood what you mean by the term.
>
>"Sequential art" could be interpreted as anything from theatre to
>calligraphy, depending.  I've no idea what such a general term is
>doing in rec.arts.comics' charter, seeing as it applies equally to at
>least seven other newsgroups.

Which doesn't answer my question.  Does anyone who uses the term use
it for any of these things?  I have seen it used to generally describe
comics (by my definition of the word) and related forms.  I have never
seen it used for any of the others.

-David
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: yduj@lucid.com (Judy Anderson)
Subject: Re: RGM split (rec.games.mud)
Organization: Lucid East, Sharon MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 20:26:25 GMT

>In article <1992Apr12.014422@cunix4.prime.com> jasonp@cunix4.prime.com (Jason R. Pascucci) writes:
>R{G}M.VR: Unmoderated. Discussions of things from a virtual reality
>standpoint.

Would this include things that many people been calling "social" postings?

Judy Anderson yclept yduJ     yduJ@lucid.com    'yduJ' rhymes with 'fudge'
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From: limkiong@vms2.iscs.nus.sg (Twas brillig, and the slithy toves...)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:10:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms2.8APR199215101438
Organization: National University of Singapore Dept. of Computer Sc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr7.145126.12954@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) writes...
>In article <axolotl.702613581@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>>Why should we consider the opinions of the uninformed?  Why should
>>people who don't know anything about manga tell us what it is and isn't?
>
>Because the uninformed will be voting on your newsgroup.  If you don't
>take the opinions of the uninformed into account, they may vote
>against your group.

Unfortunately true. Else there wouldn't be a need for all these follow-ups.

>Given the discussion so far, I still fail to understand how creating
>rec.arts.comics.manga would declare manga to be a subcategory of, less
>important than, or morally inferior to American and British comics.

Less important, morally inferior - of course not.

Subcategory - if its one level of hierarchy below the newsgroup that discusses
Western comics, what else can we infer? Isn't that the whole point of having
hierarchies in the first place, so that subcategories can be grouped under
a main category?

>  1) If the CFV is for rec.arts.manga, I will vote against it.

I really hope u will keep ur mind open on the subject until the CFV.


Kiong Peng
From: Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (Bjorn B. Larsen)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Update: RFD: comp.sys.cadence
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:37:38 GMT
Reply-To: bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: SINTEF DELAB (was ELAB-RUNIT, nee ELAB), Trondheim, Norway

In article <1992Apr9.163149.17766@ccs.QueensU.CA> pas@jupiter.ic.cmc.ca (Peter Stokes) writes:

>Here is an update regarding the creation of 
>comp.sys.cadence:

> [ ... ]

>3. I consulted with the Usenet "group naming
>   advice service" on what the newsgroup 
>   should be called and the following 
>   suggestions were made:

	- comp.cad.cadence
	- comp.soft-sys.cadence
	- comp.sys.cadence

>   I have chosen comp.cad.cadence.  Please
>   see the discussion summary for more info.

I agree with your choise of name.

Perhaps the Mentor-people would want to join? Is it a good idea to
rename comp.sys.mentor to comp.cad.mentor?

Bj{\o}rn
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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Sports on HappyNet (was Re: Dividing talk.politics.misc)
Date: 8 Apr 1992 14:46:54 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <CKD.92Apr1161815@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:
>Or, in Kibo's HappyNet, bozo.sport.baseball.college (since many players
>are bozos) and megabozo.sport.baseball.overpaid.players.like.roger.clemens.
>who.are.late.to.spring.training (since some pro players are megabozos).

...except that Roger _wasn't_ late to spring training, since he wasn't
obligated to be there until March 6, and he made that date.

Don't forget megabozo.sport.basketball.idiotic.owners.like.charlie.thomas.who.
treat.their.players.like.caca, too...
(Charlie Thomas owns the Houston Rockets.) (For now.)
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From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:08:43 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

limkiong@vms2.iscs.nus.sg (Twas brillig, and the slithy toves...) writes:

>In article <CKD.92Apr6161106@loiosh.eff.org>, ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes...
>>So push for rec.arts.comics => rec.arts.comics.misc.  It'll probably
>>happen sooner or later anyway.

>This is highly unlikely to happen. Do you know how many people read that
>group?  Can you imagine the screams that will echo throughout the net if
>this is proposed?

    Actually, as the group increases in size, this becomes more and more
likely. The group is already to the point where it is difficult to read
because of its size, and split could do a lot of good.

>>*All* comics and comic-like media (strips, etc) should be in one
>>hierarchy: rec.arts.comics.*.

>Why is it even under arts? Why not rec.comics? Then we can have :

>rec.comics.western (or US)
>rec.comics.manga
>etc... etc..

    Well, mostly because comics (books or strips) are an art-form, and a
graphical medium for story-telling. In fact it is a recreational
art-form, which is why it is under rec.arts.*. There are many
recreational art-forms, as there are many rec.arts.* groups. Manga is
also a recreational art-form, but they are also a style of comic book,
and should within the sub-hierarchy of rec.arts.* that is for the
discussion of the recreational art-form that are of the graphical
story-telling genre, namely rec.arts.comics.*.

>>The fact that the root group is "rec.arts.comics" rather than
>>"rec.arts.comics.misc" is a historical accident that can be easily
>>corrected.

>Not unless Usenet is a tyranny.

    Do we both read the same Net? Ever read the article for newbies that
Greg Spafford posts on a monthy basis, that clearly states UseNet is an
anarchy?

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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: dvb@emisle.uucp (David Van Beveren)
Subject: Re: RFD:  comp.windows.x.intrinsics
Organization: Emerald Isle Systems, Ltd. Agoura Hills, CA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 06:59:56 GMT


Regarding new group RFD.

How about comp.windows.x.xt

Actually, I feel this would be of little use in lessening the load on 
this group.
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Xref: sparky news.groups:10125 rec.music.misc:14156
From: etmmato@sunshine9.ericsson.se (Marcel van Tongeren)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.music.misc
Subject: Ghost of Oxford Street
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:40:18 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden

Hi,

December last year I visited London for a long weekend (nice City). In one of 
the stores I saw this record "Ghost of Oxford Street" with Malcolm Mclaren, 
Sinead O'Conner and some other artists. My brother is a big fan of this Mclaren
guy so when I was home again I told him about it. He looked for it in The Netherlands
but I think it is not released here. Can anyone give me some more information on
this CD, like ordering number and correct title etc.

Thanks

Marcel.
Date:  9 Apr 92 05:06:56 GMT
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: Why manga is a world apart from comics.
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney

axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:
 >There is any doubt that manga and comics are sufficiently different [...]

Obviously, this should read 'There is no doubt that [...]'.
                                      ^^

Ain't got time to proofread this week.

Anyway, it's not as if we're asking for sci.manga or anything.


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From: wai@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Benjamin Wai)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:19:01 GMT
Reply-To: wai@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Benjamin Wai)
Organization: Purdue Animation Club, Purdue University

In article <1992Apr6.154827.16131@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Hades) writes:
>dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume) writes:
>......
>>There is a closer relationship between anime and manga than between manga
>>and comics. ["But they're similar mediums..."]  That matters less than the
>>fact that anime fans are more prone to be manga fans than comics fans will
>>be prone to be manga fans.
>
>    Again, to the general reader of UseNet, a comic book is a comic book.
>

	To general 'American' readers of UseNet, a comic book is maybe 
	a comic book.

	Views are quite different if look from a even fartherer point, 
	e.g.  to the global aspect.

	To orientals readers and those who are familiar with Manga, 
	(1) they would refer manga as manga, seperated from comics, for the 
	    reason that each of them has their different distinctions although 
	    they are both combination of pictures and words.
	(2) it can be argued, why not put 'comics' be a sub-group of 'Manga'???
	    {for the second point, Yes, I know r.a.c. is created long ago, 
	     but you understand what I mean, I hope.}
	(3) and again, to the best of interests of those who WILL use the
	    newsgroup, Rec.arts.manga is strongly supported.


	=> Rec.arts.manga.


>......
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P/S: 	This is somewhat beginning to look like that long 'SCIA discussion' 
	a while ago.


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From: jkim@jingoro.Eng.Sun.COM (Jun Kim)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga vs. rec.arts.comics.manga
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:18:11 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: jingoro

In article <3lrjm_p@lynx.unm.edu> lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
>jkim@jingoro.Eng.Sun.COM (Jun Kim) writes:
>
>> ...manga fans have been posting to r.a.anime for years.  They get better
>> responses in an animation group than in a comic group.  Does that tell
>> you something?  
>
>Sure.  It tells me that fans of Japanese animation and Japanese comics
>tend to cluster together.  

This is probably true.  I'd like to add, though, that it also appears
that the issues of r.a.comics and those of manga are different, otherwise 
there might have been a lot more crosspointing to r.a.comics.

>I knew that to start with, and it isn't a fact
>that should be used in deciding where a new newsgroup belongs.

I just thought it is a factor in deciding how related subjects and topics
were.  I thought we were discussing how related "comics" (as viewed by the
content of posts in r.a.comics) and manga were.

>If you folks think the "Japan"ness of the media is more important than
>their "animation"ness or "comic"ness, you should run a vote to create a
>rec.arts.japan hierarchy for rec.arts.japan.anime and rec.arts.japan.manga.

But the "manga style" is popping up all over the world, so this might be
too resistricting.


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From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.manga
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:47:34 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) writes:
> 
> Because the uninformed will be voting on your newsgroup.  If you don't
> take the opinions of the uninformed into account, they may vote
> against your group.  Take me, for example:

Then again, the uninformed may vote in favor of rec.arts.manga.  Or
probably just ignore the vote altogether.  We won't know that until
the voting start, will we?

> Given the discussion so far, I still fail to understand how creating
> rec.arts.comics.manga would declare manga to be a subcategory of, less
> important than, or morally inferior to American and British comics.

The name rec.arts.comics.manga does declare manga as a subset of
comics.  Sort of like rec.autos and rec.autos.volkswagen.
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From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: SCIA
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:07:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <a_rubin.703186410@dn66>, a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) writes:
> 
> C) The vote was invalid; it is considered as if it never occured.
> 

If we consider that the vote never occured,
please explain to me: On what basis are the 48 % sites carrying SCIA ?

> --
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Alok
Xref: sparky news.groups:10084 misc.jobs.misc:3464
From: Sarek@world.std.com (Garrett S Fitzgerald)
Newsgroups: news.groups,misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.jobs.*
Keywords: alterations to newsgroup(s)
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:35:31 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <772@dogear.spk.wa.us> root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
>CREATE: misc.jobs.entry    = positions offered to new graduates
>        misc.jobs.expert   = positions offered to the experienced
>        misc.jobs.recruit  = positions offered by recruitment agents

Hmmmm... is it necessary to split off the recruiter positions? I'd
just as soon see them mixed in with the others. Also, I think they
would have to be m.j.o.*, or you'll have more resumes there than you
already do. Just my $.02....
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Xref: sparky news.groups:10041 rec.aviation:6886
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.aviation
Subject: Re: creation of eunet.aviation
Date: 11 Apr 1992 12:12:36 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

[Note to rec.aviation readers: There's a discussion going on in news.groups
and eunet.something.or.other about creating a European aviation group. I'm
posting this to rec.aviation to raise a netiquette issue. Please note that
followups have been redirected to news.groups, and pay attention.]

In article <1992Apr10.235619.18511@sics.se> lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson) writes:
>In this particular case, I do believe that splitting off
>eunet.aviation will increase the participation of Europeans. To a
>large extent, discussions on rec.aviation deals with US-only issues,
>of little interest to Europeans. Having a separate eunet.aviation
>group would increase the amount of relevant traffic.

I, for one, have no problem with reading about European aviation issues in
rec.aviation. Being a worldwide group, it's only appropriate. I'm not familiar
with the state of general aviation in Europe and elsewhere in the world, and
would like to know more.

>Also, not all US readers are happy with discussions of non-US issues.
>Particularly not attempts to generalise a discussion from being
>US-only by taking up international (or European) issues. I have been
>flamed several times for doing this. Other European readers have been
>sending me e-mail saying that they do not like posting on rec.aviation
>for fear of being flamed.

Geoff Peck's netiquette posting specifically discourages this. I would suggest
a reply flame (via email) to the miscreants, and then ignoring them. I'm sorry
that there are people who would drive others away from this group because of
their nationality. Perhaps someone who has been engaging in such flamage could
attempt to defend themselves?
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: The soc.personals.ads proposal
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:28:42 GMT

rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>The administrator of the alt.personals Anonymous Contact Service has just
>announced that the ACS is going away.  This may make the soc.personals.ads
>proposal irrelevant unless someone else volunteers to take it over and
>is willing to alter it to service the soc.personals groups as well.
>Any comment, Dave?

My service is separate from the ACS service. I was going to ask for a
volunteer machine as well, but maybe the new ACS person (if such a person
exists) will help out in this regard.

It may be that only this service that I am proposing (as opposed to the ACS
service which is completely separate) will be picke dup by some kind sys
admin. 

On a completely separate note, I heard that the ACS stuff was written in
CSH. I would be willing to donate the software planned for the ads hierarchy
to the ACS as mine may be easier to use.

Then again it may not. <grin>
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