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From: dalew@twiki.PDX.COM (Dale Weber)
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Subject: Re: Free Internet/Usenet Access (was Re: Modem Madness)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 13:04:02 PST
Organization: Wafflemania Unlimited - Portland, OR USA

kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

> I'd also agree that running a free (or, in my case, cheap) system makes it
> extremely difficult to maintain it, simply because the owner has to
> bear the entire cost.

  I've been running a totally FREE access system for nearly five years now.
I've never asked my users for donations and only accepted any once. That
was only $15.00 which wouldn't even begin to pay my L/D bill for a month.
I just got done upgrading my system to a 386/40 with 16 Meg of RAM and have
a totaly of about 300 Meg or so (out of 525 Meg) of disk space allocated to
the BBS.  Oh yeah, I also just put a new USR HST/DS online because the
Telebit T2500 I was using has to go back to its owner.

> (I have a boot disk dying at the moment, and can't
> begin to cover the replacement cost.) But one has to decide whether to
> pursue this as a hobby or a business - I've tried it both ways, and found
> the local 'market' simply would not sustain the business approach.

  I have always somehow managed to keep my BBS online regardless of what
has happened.  I was able to borrow an Intel high speed modem from another
local Sysop while I was waiting for my HST/DS to arrive.  As it turns out,
the T2500 is still sitting here in the box waiting to be picked up so I
guess it wasn't as important to the owner to get it back as I was told.

> That
> leaves us with 'hobby' - and sharing the cost of your hobby equitably is
> very difficult to do. (I'm satisfied if the phone bills are paid.)

  Yep.  I pay ALL the costs of keeping my BBS online, including maintenance
and phone bill (about 50-60 dollars/month average long distance).  I
neither ask for nor do I accept donations (at least not cash) and never
have had an offer of hardware so that isn't an issue.  I am eventually
planning to put a second node online hopefully before the middle of next
year (also high speed, probably USR HST/DS but maybe Telebit T3500).

   This is my hobby and I always tell users that I don't run it for them
even though they are welcome to use whatever features they find here and
take whatever files they find useful.  My system is strictly subject to
change without notice, and to charge for access would mean I would lose a
lot of flexibility and not be able to experiment as I do now (which why I
really run my system).

> My system sports five lines, one hop off the internet. Other than an
> eight-week period (when I shut my business down and began looking for a real
> job :-)), it has been available reliably for nearly four years.

  Nice system, but I like mine the way it is now other than wanting to add
a second line.  ;-)

  Take care Ken!

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From: grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean)
Subject: Re: Free Internet/Usenet Access (was Re: Modem Madness)
Organization: Blue Moon
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:44:59 GMT

dalew@twiki.UUCP (Dale Weber) writes:

>doug@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Doug Luce) writes:

>> However, I'm not aware of a free system that is a true TCP/IP BBS;
>> that is, a system where the operator is enduring the sort of costs
>> that come about from a real-time Internet link.

>  Very true.  I would think that a direct link to the Internet would be
>well beyond what a FREE system could be expected to provide.  I still get
>frequent queries as to access for FTP on my system though, but just tell
>them I don't have it here and won't due to the cost involved.

 Gee, I am aware of one; Mine. It is a SLIP connection, but what
the heck...

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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Free Internet/Usenet Access (was Re: Modem Madness)
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 16:50:06 GMT

dalew@twiki.PDX.COM (Dale Weber) writes:
>kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:

>> I'd also agree that running a free (or, in my case, cheap) system makes it
>> extremely difficult to maintain it, simply because the owner has to
>> bear the entire cost.
>  I've been running a totally FREE access system for nearly five years now.
>I've never asked my users for donations and only accepted any once. That
>was only $15.00 which wouldn't even begin to pay my L/D bill for a month.
>I just got done upgrading my system to a 386/40 with 16 Meg of RAM and have
>a totaly of about 300 Meg or so (out of 525 Meg) of disk space allocated to
>the BBS.  Oh yeah, I also just put a new USR HST/DS online because the
>Telebit T2500 I was using has to go back to its owner.

He didnt' say it COULDN'T be done .. he said it would be difficult!
It all depends on your disposable income level!



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From: xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker)
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Subject: Re: Free Internet/Usenet Access (was Re: Modem Madness)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 19:07:16 EST
Organization: Odd Parity Hacker's Group

elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
> > Jonathan Herr <valnet!herrj@news.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
> > >This still requires more than one phone line.  What is going on with
> > >these businesses is that the phone company rotates from line 1 to
> > >line 2 if line 1 is busy.  If line 2 is busy, then it goes on to line
> > >3, if line 3 is busy then it goes to line 4,.......  you get the
> > >point.  Anyway, although only one number is used (usually), there are
> > Indiana Bell doesn't charge extra for call hunt on residential lines..
> > I wonder if Southern Bell does, or Winter Park Telephone.
> Can't say about Southern Bell, but South Central Bell doesn't charge extra fo
> call hunt...

This has nothing to do with the subject line. Change it already!

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Subject: Re: Free Internet/Usenet Access (was Re: Modem Madness)
From: doug@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Doug Luce)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:42:18 GMT
Organization: Telerama
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Dale Weber (dalew@twiki.PDX.COM) wrote:
: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:
: 
: > I'd also agree that running a free (or, in my case, cheap) system makes it
: > extremely difficult to maintain it, simply because the owner has to
: > bear the entire cost.
: 
:   I've been running a totally FREE access system for nearly five years now.
: I've never asked my users for donations and only accepted any once. That
: was only $15.00 which wouldn't even begin to pay my L/D bill for a month.

This is all well and good.  There have been, and will likely continue
to be, plenty of excellent systems like yours being run by dedicated
enthusaists with ample disposable income.

However, I'm not aware of a free system that is a true TCP/IP BBS;
that is, a system where the operator is enduring the sort of costs
that come about from a real-time Internet link.

Doug Luce
Sysop, Telerama.pgh.pa.us
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From: steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison)
Subject: Re: Free Internet/Usenet Access (was Re: Modem Madness)
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 20:47:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov05.004016.153932@zeus.calpoly.edu> cambler@zeus.calpoly.edu (Christopher J. Ambler, Phish) writes:
>stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes:
>>It won't be cheap, however. If you want any throughput at all you will
>>need to get a 56k leased line. SLIP over 9600 baud just isn't any fun at
>>all. 
>
>Then again, the solution that we have here, and is becoming more and more
>a reality is a 38.4kb ISDN circuit switch running SLIP or PPP.
>

We are using Telebit WorldBlazers between us and our provider and we are seeing
close to 75K throughput on SLIP or PPP. I beleive this is an even cheaper solution
than the ISDN solution which may/may not be available throughout the US (it is here
though).


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From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
Subject: Re: Free Internet/Usenet Access (was Re: Modem Madness)
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:39:04 GMT

>
>We are using Telebit WorldBlazers between us and our provider and we are seeing
>close to 75K throughput on SLIP or PPP. I beleive this is an even cheaper solution
>than the ISDN solution which may/may not be available throughout the US (it is here
>though).
>

Either this is an instantaneous rate, or you are sending really strange
data, or you need to check your numbers again.  Or perhaps you're
referring to the combined throughput of a number of lines.


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From: fritz2r@fiu.edu (LabRat)
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Subject: Re: Free Internet/Usenet Access (was Re: Modem Madness)
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:21:29 GMT
Organization: Florida International University, Miami

In article <Rs2oTB1w165w@tcscs.UUCP> srcsip!tcscs!zeta writes:
>hho@phakt.usc.edu (** N.T.K.C.D. ***) writes:
>
>> In article <awmLTB2w165w@spud.kludge.com> tom@spud.kludge.com (Tom Lemos) wri
>> >you wanna rethink this one?  Can you have more than one person call you at
>> >once?
>> 
>> Most company and univ has something install before the modem pool.
>> Then everyone just call 1 number and the phone line will rotate to
>> different modem..
>> 
>Here is most likely the way they do it... most times you can order a series
>of phone lines, i.e. 5 numbers.  The phone company assigns
>     
>     555-5555,555-1358,555-2345,555-2342,555-3413
>
>Tell them you want them to roll the lines over, i.e.
>     Line 1     555-5555     \  to line 2
>     Line 2     555-1358     /  \ to line 3
>     Line 3     555-2345        /  \ to line 4
>     Line 4     555-2342           /  \ to line 5
>     Line 5     555-3413              / 
>
>Then all you have to do is give out 555-5555 as your number...
>
>Greg
>
could not have said it better myself.... :)
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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Free Internet/Usenet Access (was Re: Modem Madness)
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:20:54 GMT

dalew@twiki.PDX.COM (Dale Weber) writes:
>new Internet Forwarder for my domain.  If this happens, the very least
>change that I would probably make in my system is that users would no
>longer be able to send off-site E-Mail.  The only alternative I would have

What would be the use of the system then?

I suppose there may be a few systems (like yours?) that provide local
services sufficient to draw people, without having connectivity to the
outside world.  But I would imagine that is a pretty limited market.

>  Some of us don't run our systems for our users.  I have my system online
>as an ongoing experiment with telecommunications and networking.  My users
>are told right up front that they can't be guaranteed of finding any given
>feature here from one call to the next.  My system is totally subject to
>change without notice - and that sometimes happens.

I don't think I even need to comment on this.  There is nothing wrong
with this.  However you can't compare this "take what you get, we're
not guaranteeing anything" approach to "we charge a fee, but provide
services x, y, and z."

>  However, my users still keep coming back for more - some just to see what
>I've changed.  ;-) ;-)

Yes, the intrigue is there.  But not for people who seek long-term email
and usenet connectivity (or other long-term stable things).

>  I run my system on a 40 Mhz 80386 with 16 Meg of RAM and 525 Meg of SCSI
>hard disk storage and have four different BBS packages available for users
>to select from via a BBS switcher called Option.  My system networks with
>UUCP and Usenet, Fido-Net, MusicNet, Christian Fellowship Network,
>FamiliyNet.  RIME and MIDILINK are coming soon - around the end of this
>year.  Access to ALL of this is 100% FREE.  I am also planning to add a
>second node sometime next year.  Oh yes, my system has a new US Robotics
>HST Dual Standard online to provide high speed access for users and
>networking.

Well I guess it all depends on your level of disposable income.  If 
you have earnings sufficient to fund a FREE system, all the power to
you.  

But of course you can't compare a 1 (or 2) line system to a system 
with 5, 10, or more lines.

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From: jfarmer@fraser.sfu.ca (Jason Michael Farmer)
Subject: Internet Access
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:44:56 GMT


Does anyone know if there is free/pay Internet access in the 604 (British
Columbia) area for dialup users?


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From: dalew@twiki.PDX.COM (Dale Weber)
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Subject: Re: Free Internet/Usenet Access (was Re: Modem Madness)
Date: 1 Nov 92 15:58:10 GMT
Organization: Wafflemania Unlimited - Portland, OR USA

bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:

> I think a majority of the "expect something for nothing" crowd are
> converts from the world of DOS BBS systems, where "free" systems
> are prevalent.

  I don't think this is a correct generalization.  Just because a system
happens to allow FREE access, it doesn't mean that it doesn't provide the
same level of access, service, and features that a pay system might offer.

  I have never charged one penny for access to any features of my system,
but this _might_ change if I am forced to connect outside my area to get a
new Internet Forwarder for my domain.  If this happens, the very least
change that I would probably make in my system is that users would no
longer be able to send off-site E-Mail.  The only alternative I would have
would be to charge for sending off-site E-Mail, but this isn't something I
really want to do.  I'm more likely to cut access to sending off-site
E-Mail than to charge for that access.

> I really don't know how people can afford to run a system like that and
> keep it up-to-date > with reasonable hardware and software.

  Some of us don't run our systems for our users.  I have my system online
as an ongoing experiment with telecommunications and networking.  My users
are told right up front that they can't be guaranteed of finding any given
feature here from one call to the next.  My system is totally subject to
change without notice - and that sometimes happens.

  However, my users still keep coming back for more - some just to see what
I've changed.  ;-) ;-)

> I know a bunch of people will reply about how they run their free system
> on an amiga or on an intel machine running 386BSD or something.

  I run my system on a 40 Mhz 80386 with 16 Meg of RAM and 525 Meg of SCSI
hard disk storage and have four different BBS packages available for users
to select from via a BBS switcher called Option.  My system networks with
UUCP and Usenet, Fido-Net, MusicNet, Christian Fellowship Network,
FamiliyNet.  RIME and MIDILINK are coming soon - around the end of this
year.  Access to ALL of this is 100% FREE.  I am also planning to add a
second node sometime next year.  Oh yes, my system has a new US Robotics
HST Dual Standard online to provide high speed access for users and
networking.

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From: steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison)
Subject: Re: Free Internet/Usenet Access (was Re: Modem Madness)
Organization: Systems'n'Software
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 01:45:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.003904.24046@pegasus.com> richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes:
>>
>>We are using Telebit WorldBlazers between us and our provider and we are seeing
>>close to 75K throughput on SLIP or PPP. I beleive this is an even cheaper solution
>>than the ISDN solution which may/may not be available throughout the US (it is here
>>though).
>>
>
>Either this is an instantaneous rate, or you are sending really strange
>data, or you need to check your numbers again.  Or perhaps you're
>referring to the combined throughput of a number of lines.
>
>
I'd be happy to if I had the time and if I knew it was worth doing. I would suggest 
that if you have not read a WorldBlazer manual you do so.

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