From: maillist@base.cs.ucla.edu (Generic Mailing List ID (Guest))
Subject: PSP #20.3
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:00:03 GMT

Problem 3.
IMPS (Calcutta)
All Vulnerable
Dealer South

You, South, hold, S-AJ986 H-AQ8 D-AK2 C-A2

South  West   North  East
2C     Pass   3C(1)  Pass
?

(1) shows a "good" club suit.

What call do you make?


The bids:
(NAIR) 2S.  ?

[ Insufficient.  I'll leave this becuase I don't want to assume 3S
  was what was meant. ]

(PW) 3NT.  Not good enough suit to bid 3S.  Protects my H guard.
Partner may continue with _good_ club suit (4C). So we will reach slam.

(MARC) 3NT. Although 3S is pretty close.

(PYNQ) 3N.	This hand does not meet Goren's requirements for a strong two
	bid, and I would never have opened 2C on it.  At this point it
	is a total toss-up between 3S and 3N, but 3N is clearly "now or
	never"!  Incidentally, opening a Precision 1C on this hand, as I
	would normally do, gives a critical extra level in which to explore
	the spade fit w/o giving up on 3N.

(MSB) 3NT. I have no running suit of my own, minimum points, and only
      two cards in partner's suit.  I'm showing my hand and hoping
      partner has extras to continue.  We might miss a 5-3 spade fit,
      but 3S would imply more of a one-suited hand.

(EKP) 3NT. 20-22 (or 22-24) HCP balanced. Seems very descriptive.

(RB) 3NT.  I'm assuming good suit does not necessarily mean
two of the top three honors, in which case I'd bid 4C
hoping to elicit a cue-bid on the way to six or seven.

(DESJ) 3NT.  This seems easy.  I was always planning to show a 22-24 NT, and
now I will.  If partner holds KQJxxx of clubs and another card, that's
clearly worth another call.

(CC1) 3N    A minimum 2C opening hand. No need to be excited.

(MOJO) 3NT.  By "good" club suit, I assume five cards headed by KQ in this case.
Those could be the only points in partner's hand.

(DK) 3nt. Show your hand and let partner decide.

(JLD) 3NT.  How good is "good."  Does it imply any outside strength?
My hand is awfully "soft" despite the 22 HCP.  Frankly, I would
have opened it 2NT to avoid exactly this type of rebid problem.
On a bad day, 3NT will just make even on this auction.  If partner
has a real good hand, he will keep bidding.
 

(AH) bid 3nt   Tells partner about 2-club and point range.
             Spade suit is too weak.  If partner goes further, then
             show spades.

(KP) 3NT.  With no fit for partner, slam seems remote.  Partner has another
bid if he has anything else to say.

(RLG) 3S.  We've got a lot of room to play around here.  It can't hurt to
mention my 5cm.  If we don't have slam, I'd rather play in 4S than 5C with
two 8 card fits.

(PRM) 3S.  I think I'll show my spade suit and see where it leads.

(EDT) 3S	          What else?

(PBHYF) 3S. Show my spade suit, see what pard has to say.

(JOHN) 3 Spades

(DOUG) 3S. Bid out the shape. Can't bid 3N, you would look silly if
       partner had KQx of spades and KQxxxx of clubs.

(WU) 3S.  Still a natural bid.  If partner raises, RKC will help determine
	if slam is on.  If partner bids 3NT, I guess I raise to 6 NT.
	If partner bids 4 Clubs, I Cue-bid 4 diamonds so I get a heart
	lead into my AQ when I eventually declare 6 NT :-).

(DM1) 3S. Need some help here for slam.

(CC2) 3S.  This hand demonstrates my dislike for S/A in bidding 5-card
        majors and the notrump ladder.

(IM) 3S.  This is forcing, so hopefully partner will bid something intelligent
and I will then decide whether to get excited or not.

(BB) 3S. I'll bite. I assume we're in a game-forcing auction here, so I'll bid 
       my suit and let pard take another call. I don't really know enough to
       make any earth-shattering moves yet.

(DM2) 3S.   If partner rebids 3NT he's playing it there. Any other bid and we
         are in at least 6S or 6NT. 
         

(DAG) 3S.  Describe my hand a little, a wait to hear what partner bids.

(SGM) 3S. What am I missing?

(IL) 3S.  I object to the 2C opening, this is _not_ a game going hand, I would 
        open 2NT if it says 20-21. Once the 2C opening is made the system must
        allow me to show a 5 card major, below 3NT. Though, in most systems 
        the 3S bid shows considerably more than the current hand.

[ OK, so two people objected to opening 2C.  I almost made the opening call
  a problem, although there isn't much to say on that matter (that is, what
  there is to say can be said by 2 panelists as well as 20 (especially if 
  one of the panelists is someone as well-spoken as Bob Silverman). ]

The totals:
2S	1
3NT	13
3S	15

Bruce Rogoff bid 3NT.  The auction & hand...

          T5
          J96
          J4
KQ4       KQT964    732
T2                  K7543
T8763               Q95
873       AJ986     J5 
          AQ8
          AK2
          A2

South  West   North  East
2C     Pass   3C(1)  Pass
3NT    Pass   4NT(2) Pass
6C     All Pass

(1) shows good clubs.
(2) shows slam interest.

The slam made on the KS lead.

[ I felt 3NT was kind of a funny call.  You didn't expect to get jammed 
  when you opened, but now you are.  It seems odd to not show your spades,
  especially when you are so ace-rich/body-poor.  About half the panelists
  agree with me.  Perhaps the hand should have opened 2NT as two of the
  panel suggest. ]

The players:
(AH)	ahaas@ecn.purdue.edu (Alan Haas)
(BB)	Brett Barksdale <brett@porky.oce.orst.edu>
(CC1)	Chun Chang <chunchan@aludra.usc.edu>
(CC2)	chris.chambers@rose.com
(DESJ)	desj@ccr-p.ida.org (David desJardins)
(DAG)	dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs)
(DK)	Dennis Kibler <kibler@turing.ICS.UCI.EDU>
(DM1)	mytelka@enzyme.Berkeley.Edu (Daniel Mytelka)
(DM2)	davidm@Rational.COM
(EDT)	taylor@tivoli.com (Eric Taylor)
(EKP)	Edward Pavelchek <ekp@mcnc.org>
(IL)	Ingvar Lagerstedt <LAGERSTEDT@oc.chalmers.se>
(IM)	Ilene Morgan <morgan@math.psu.edu>
(JLD)	jld1@ihlpm.att.com
(JOHN)	<john@picks.almanac.bc.ca>
(KP)	hampton@ais.org (Kevin Podsiadlik)
(MARC)	marc@wrs.com (Marc Shepard)
(MOJO)	mojo@caere.com (Morris Jones)
(MSB)	msb@sq.com (Mark Brader)
(NAIR)	nair@astro.ufl.edu
(PBHYF)	pbhyf!skataba@ns.PacBell.COM
(PRM)	Paul Markowitz <PRM@BROWNVM.brown.edu>
(PW)	Per Westling <c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se>
(PYNQ)	"George Jetson" <pynq@midway.uchicago.edu>
(RB)	rainbow@ihlpf.att.com
(RLG)	Raymond L. Gilbert <pi@wam.umd.edu>
(SGM)	Myerson <sgm@ssd.ray.com>
(WU)	Warren Usui <aardvark@snap.la.locus.com>

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Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
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