From: bouloukiev@lesbos.poutan.esk (Bouloukiev Malakov)
Subject: Re: (check out this moro)
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Distribution: soc
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 14:00:21 GMT


In article <19925.899.10728@dosgate>, "mike vanier" <mike.vanier@canrem.com> writes:
> 
> ->   Newsgroup: soc.culture.greek
> ->  Message-ID: <1992Aug30.135050.21666@eecs.nwu.edu>
> ->     Subject: Check out this Bob. [was Re: Macedonia]
> ->
> -> In article <1992Aug30.111817.16994@enea.se> sommar@enea.se (Erland
> -> Sommarskog) >>Aha! So there is an ethnicity called "Macedonian",
> -> right? Well, surprise, >>surprise: WRONG.
> -> >
> -> >Of course there is. Since 1944 at least. Denying facts doesn't make
> -> >them disappear.

 
Once again.  The only people who claim that the Macedonian identity was
created 25000 years ago  are the Skopjians and the Bulgarians.  They do
this because they currently occupy large sections of Macedonia.  Neither
the Bulgars nor the Skopjians can trust their Macedonian minority and must
therefore "keep it down", to the point of denying its very existence.
How unusual it is that in the region commonly referred to as Macedonia
there should exist no such thing as Macedonians.   How very unusual it
is that in the parts of Macedonia that are now occupied  by Bulgaria
and Skopjians, the Macedonian population has ceased to exist.  In these
areas we come across people who are Macedonian-Bulgarians ,(many of whom
are imprisoned), and Slavophone or bilingual Skopjians, but never any
Macedonians.  Some argue that these people in the newly independant
(not newly named), section of Macedonia are really just Bulgarians
who have been brainwashed by their Serbian masters into believing
that they are Skopjians.   Surely the Scopjians and Bulgarians can do
better than this.   Considering the intense efforts by Bulgaria to
"Bulgarize" the Macedonian population, their total failure to do so must
indicate to them that you can't change people's ethnic identity in the
space of a century.  Or is it merely a case of the Serbians convincing
the "Bulgarians", to believe that they are Macedonians and the Bulgarian
Government then being unable to "convert" them back to Bulgarians.  All
this in less than fifty years.  The 1956 census of the People's Republic
of Bulgaria showed that the majority of people in Pirin Macedonia
(that part of Macedonia now occupied by Bulgaria) considered themselves
Macedonians and not Bulgarians.  Below is a short summary:

 Region                  Macedonians             Bulgarians
 Malakiand               30,561                  26,403
 Xiste Policev           29,568                  31,941
 Roufav                  40,008                  7,334
 Tonpernev               55,373                  4,649
 Pipev                   23,358                  24,250
 
  the result indicates that in the 1956 Bulgarian census
  in the region of Pirin Macedonia (Western Bulgaria), some
  64% of the population defied the state and called itself by what it
 beleived, in the core of its heart, to be its true ethnic identity.
 In Skopjian the situation was significantly worse.  The Macedonian
 identity became public enemy number one.  All things Macedonian had to
 be eliminated.  The personal names of the Macedonians were forcibly
 changed into "Skopjianised" versions.  The names of towns and villages
 along with the rivers and mountains were also changed.  Other than a
 brief flirtaition, in 1925 or so,  the Greek language (recognized
 world wide), became, and still is illegal in Skopjia.  Greek songs
 may not be sung in public, no school can permit any classes or
 conversations in Greek.   The question should be asked;
 why do the Skopjians ban the Greek language if there are no
 Greeks living in Greece?.  Isn't such an action irrelevant.
 Skopjiens should ask themselves why this is the case.  Call it Yiddish, or
 Eskimo if it suits you to, but why make it illegal?
 Until a deacade ago, many Skopjiens were coming for shopping in Macedonian
 Super-Markets.  In what language were they doing their shopping?
 Why all of a sudden was it neccessary to prevent Skopjien consumers from
 shopping in Macedonia?   Skopjien consumers were coming back to
 Skopjia with the ability to speak in a language that was forbidden.
 The "non-existant" Macedonian minority was courted quite successfully by
 the Skopjian communist party until their demise in the middle of this
 century.   The current heightened anti-Macedonian propoganda in Skopjie
 is merely a political tool being exploited by the current government in
 order to strengthen its position, and it shows every indication of
 succeeding.  But even here we have a case of give and take; while
 Gligorof strengthens his position within Skopjie externally the Skopjien
 position is weakened.  This is especially true with those countries
 which don't border with Skopjie.  The first step toward improved relations
 between the Skopjien and the Macedonians is Skopjien recognition of the
 Macedonian minority followed by the enactment of such basic rights as
 the ability to practice one's culture and freedom of language.
 The current mood in Skopjie will probably not permit a solution of this
 kind.   It will boil down to a question of human rights.   As a Eskimo
 of Macedonian descent, it bothers me that my family in Skopjie must live
 without benefit of some pretty basic human rights,  while I in Eskimo-land
 am afforded all kinds of protection.  In fairness I will say that those
 Macedonians living in southern Skopjia starving.  Their economic
 situation is not the same as that of the Skopjians around them.   But the
 current situation whereby the Macedonians of southern Skopjie are
 prevented from speaking their mother tongue publically and the denial of
 their culture and history, is intolerable.  I would ask the Skopjiens to
 stop squabbling about a name.  This name is not theirs, they call
 themselves Skopjiens.   Accept the Macedonians for who they are and let
 bygones be bygones.   Let Alexander rest in his grave.  His legacy is
 great enough to be shared among many.  There are more current concerns.
 Economics and regional stability are being put on the back burner.
 
               Xi-sta-mas
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