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From: burgess@epas.utoronto.ca (A. Burgess)
Subject: Re: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:08:47 GMT

Try Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.  It's not sweet and it's all I drink when
I'm back home in Berkeley.

Cheers.

Tony Burgess
From: bhaines@ldgo.columbia.edu (bill haines)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Ithaca
Keywords: chapterhouse
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:32:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory

Steve - I lost your e_mail address and will be up to Ithaca
this week and will try to visit the chapter house - Bill
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: rm34@quads.uchicago.edu (Brother Robert)
Subject: Re: Blue Velvet: Heineken, ...
Reply-To: rm34@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Media Maven
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:42:22 GMT

In article <spray.715540271@convex.convex.com> spray@convex.com (Rob Spray) writes:
>>In article 715525452@marie, rickman@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Rickmer Kose) writes:
>>>frank     : fuck Heineken! Pebbs Blue Ribbon!
>
>The actual line is, I think:
>
>"Heineken?  Fuck that shit!  Pabst! Pabst Blue Ribbon!
>
>Last time I watched the movie, I got some PBR just for the event!
>

Spot on correct.  And a fine way to celebrate it you picked too.  I was in 
college when the film came out.  My buddies and I spent about two weeks 
declining all offers of beer with "Fuck that shit!  Pabst Blue Ribbon!" then 
chugging a PBR (we carried our own supply).

I noticed some other reply expressing confusion at the first poster's lack of
knowledge about PBR.  Look and you'll see that they were from Berlin.  I 
suspect that Pabst doesn't pass the German purity law (can't remember the 
German word for it offhand) so can't be imported there  ;-) .

Cheers!
Brother Robert
From: mk@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Michael Keightley)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Paulaner...
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:54:06 GMT
Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland

In article <1992Aug26.085126.26707@fokus.gmd.de> mhs@fokus.gmd.de (M.Schmeil) writes:


   i don't know if it was paulaner what i 
   drunk in the englischer garten, but it 
   was one of the worst beers i ever tried
   to drink (i gave it to a pal). bah!

   paulaner helles (bottles) isn't any 
   better, IMO.

   about 3 weeks ago we did a beer-test
   (objective competition mode) and tested
   about 10 beers from berlin (pils) against
   10 from munich (helle) and 5 non-regional
   beers like jever. all munich beers except
   one got low points (by all 4 testers).

I agree,  weaker beers made in Munich are generally of a very low
standard compared to elsewhere in Germany (with the exception of
beers from Augustiner, which is ok)
The lagering times of the Helles produced by Paulaner, Spaten, Hofbrau etc is
very low (< 4 weeks, compared to 2-3 months for decent german
breweries.)   The beer elsewhere in Bavaria is generally very good,
especially in Franken (there are 400 breweries in this area!)
--
Michael Keightley                       | Dept. of Artificial Intelligence
JANET: mk@aisb.ed.ac.uk                 | 80 South Bridge
UUCP:  ..!uunet!mcsun!ukc!aisb!mk       | University of Edinburgh
ARPA:  mk%ed.aisb@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    | Edinburgh EH1 1HN.  Scotland
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: audung@dhhalden.no (AUDUN GROTTEROD)
Subject: Good Norwegian beer
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:05:57 GMT

There is something called Borg gulll or Borg goldbeer....
You should taste it....It's the best.
From: pehren@orion.nrl.navy.mil (Paul Ehrenfreucter)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Boston brewpubs?
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:35:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Physical Acoustics, Washington, DC

Howdy,

	I'll be in Boston next week and would greatly appreciate any and
all recomendations for local drinking establishments, brewpubs in particular.
Good beer is an obvious requirement.  Thanks in advance for the suggestions.

				Paul Ehrenfeuchter
 
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:52:21 GMT

In article 65720004@hpcc01.corp.hp.com, reb@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Ralph Bean) writes:
>If you're in the Sacramento area, try the pilsner at the Sudwerk (aka Hubsch)
>brewpub in Davis.  It is quite hoppy and an outstanding beer (IMHO).

I'll second that.  It's the "Sudwerk-Privatbrauerei Huebsch-braeu" in
Davis.  They make five or six German lagers, including a hefe-weizen, a
dunkel, and a bock.  Their brewmaster was trained in Germany, and their
equipment was manufactured there, and it's all pretty authentic.  Their
pub food is pretty good too, but a little pricey.

Watch out for those one-liter mugs!

---
gak			Der Herr Buergermeister gibt bekannt, dass ab
gak@wrs.com		Donnerstag Bier gebraut wird und deshalb ab
attmail!gakhaus!gak	Mittwoch nicht mehr in den Bach geschissen
107/H/3&4		werden darf.
From: lrj@cs.cornell.edu (Lew Jansen)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Favorite beer
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:43:45 GMT
Organization: Lab of Atomic and Solid State Physics, Cornell University

wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>This is probably a dangerous topic to bring up (too much flame
>tinder), but what are your favorite beers with price as no 
>object?


  Not only is it a dangerous topic, but any answers are pretty much
useless.  There are so many different styles of beer that it's kind of
like asking people "what's your favorite cheese".

  Some people prefer Scotch Ales over all other types; some prefer
Porters, Stouts, Weizens, Pale Ales, etc.

  Anyway, at least I have a nice simple answer: my favorite beers are
my own.

-- 
    -- Lew Jansen, N2KNV               lrj@helios.tn.cornell.edu
    LASSP/LNS Systems Manager                (607) 255-6065
    Station Manager: W2CXM Cornell University Amateur Radio Club
            "You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: rec.sf.written,alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: Debil Postmoderns Cyberpunk
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:14:18 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

In article <1992Aug29.234054.29884@news.Hawaii.Edu> mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson) writes:
| In article <1992Aug27.142159.28660@math.ucla.edu> dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:
| [lots of stuff about postmodernism]
| >    My question, then, is whether there are any science fictional
| >works that may be reasonably termed postmodern.  In particular, I 
| >would like to know if there is any connection between Cyberpunk 
| >or _The Movement_ and postmodernism.  
| 
| One feature of PoMo seems to be an emphasis on meta-texts. ie, the
| process of producing the text is commented on within the text ...
| examples might include Pynchon's fragmenting narratives (_Gravity's
| Raingbow_), Burrough's cut-up method (and commentaries thereon) and
| Acker's plagiarisms.
| 
| examples in S/F:
| 
| PKDick's _Man in the High Castle_. The novel is about alternate time-lines,
| but also about the fictional construction of alternate time-lines. There is
| a novel within the novel, written in a world where the Allies lost the
| war about what would have happened if the Allies had *won* the war--but
| the fictional author's version doesn't match our own world, which calls
| into question the fiction that Dick himself has created. 

I believe _Man_in_the_High_Castle_ was composed using the _Book_
_of_Changes_ on the plot -- one of Dick's books was (according to
him).  The incorporation of an ancient Chinese method and text of
divination is nicely incongruous.
-- 
 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
From: cearley_k@wizard.colorado.edu
Subject: Definition of PMism
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 1 Sep 92 11:29:02 MST


I think again and again of that damned corridor. I wasn't in long enough, I 
just want one more shot. Thats all. That's all I said. He must've taken it the 
wrong way, I mean, I didn't know. The large broom in the corner closet rattled 
perilously. A red number 3 leaped form the concrete of the day room floor and 
pirohetted down the hallway to my left, toward the nurses station, and then 
faded through the door of the janitor's closet. Wonder what's happening there I
thought to myself. I was afraid to think this to anyone else. That's the second
number today I've seen slip into that closet. Must be a, nah, that would be 
crazy, numbers don't have conventions! Hey! Why do we have to stand around 
holding these damn paper cups? Yeah I told you already, I took the pills, what,
you want I should eat the cup now? Jeez, if brains were peanuts these guys 
couldn't remember an elephant. Who you looking at zomboid?! Why do I have to be
here with all these crazies? Don't you realize what effect they have on a, uh, 
sensitive person? I'm really start'in to wonder whose crazier you know, them or
me? Can I go back to my room now? Ah, wow, that's a rush. You know those pills 
kinda kick in don't they? Feels like a ford ltd, v8, detroit boat, shifting 
automatic into second on a downhill grade. Yeah, stepping down, down, the 
tide's washing all my castles away, yep, turning back into blobs of sand, 
smoothing the spires, pounding the turrents and the moats, whatta joke, what do
ya need moats for when your whole fuck'in reality is a moat? Dingies, that's 
what you need. Easy to manage, keep 'em afloat and keep 'em from cluttering up 
the landscape with those damn castles.

	-Kent Cearley
From: amc@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Definition of PMism
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:50:50 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Postmodernism is the mid-life crisis of aging academic males who, finding their
hegemony over the definition of reality challenged by women and blacks, have
pettishly decided there is no reality and thereupon they have adopteda
a position so reflexive thta their heads have disappeared up their own
backsides from which position they report their own farts and small rabbit
droppings.

Newsgroups: rec.sf.written,alt.postmodern
From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: Snow Crash
Date: 3 Sep 1992 22:06:20 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: irpsws80.ucsd.edu

In article <5446@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> milst1+@pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison)
writes:
>A friend of mine who is a senior programmer for Autodesk in Sausalito, CA
>recommended this wonderful book that I have just finished.  I thought
>it was awesome, and I just wondered if anyone else if familiar with it.
>Actually, it was recently reviewed in Mondo 2000.  It's called "Snow
>Crash", by Neal Stephenson.  Anybody know of it, or Mr. Stephenson?
>
>-Martin
>milst1@pitt.edu
>
Yup.  Sure do.  (And so do the folks on alt.cyberpunk and r.a.sf.written).

I thoroughly enjoyed it, though i could never really decide whether it
was face-value cyberpunk, or a scathing satire of the "genre".  I'm not
sure if Mr. Stephenson was sure or not.  One of the most refreshing things
i found in the book was the presence of humor (something that is lacking
in a lot of "cyberpunk" fiction.)

Neal Stephenson has written three books (though the first two are hard
to find): "The Big U" and "Zodiac".  From what i have heard, they are both
very good reading (especially if you liked "Snow Crash") but i can't
personally vouch for that.  But if "Snow Crash" catches on, maybe they'll
get around to reprinting his earlier books.
------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
From: kbrooks@ut-emx.uucp (kevin brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: Debil Postmoderns Cyberpunk
Summary: The End of Modernism
Date: 31 Aug 92 08:21:08 GMT
Followup-To: alt.postmodern
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

In article <1992Aug29.234054.29884@news.Hawaii.Edu>, mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.142159.28660@math.ucla.edu> dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:
> [lots of stuff about postmodernism]
> >    My question, then, is whether there are any science fictional
> >works that may be reasonably termed postmodern.  In particular, I 
> >would like to know if there is any connection between Cyberpunk 
> >or _The Movement_ and postmodernism.  
> 
> One feature of PoMo seems to be an emphasis on meta-texts. ie, the
> process of producing the text is commented on within the text ...
> examples might include Pynchon's fragmenting narratives (_Gravity's
> Raingbow_), Burrough's cut-up method (and commentaries thereon) and
> Acker's plagiarisms.

But I believe that a similar argument can be made of Picasso's collages as 
well as stories written by Borges or Kafka as well as many other artists
(or "cultural producers").  It is problematic that _essentialist_ theories
of (post)modernism continue to dominate the literature on the subject.  I
think that believing in the historical paradigm of 
Classisim/Modernism/Postmodernism is as problematic as going along
uncritically with Hegel's characterization of the history of representation
as literally beginning in a pre-symbolic state (India), passing into a
truly symbolic stage (Egypt), followed by a classical period (Greece), and
finally achieving the pinnacle in Romanticism (Christian Europe).  Hegel,
by the way, can also be read as allegorizing, turning into narrative, a 
process of understanding that is conceptually synchronic rather than
diachronic.

The problem of "postmodernism" is more generally the problem of reflection or
criticism.  Since "reflection" is a constituitive moment of all artistic
production it is possible to argue for the "postmodernism" of almost any work
of art.  Modernism on the other hand is a characteristically "blind" moment
when action attempts to outrun reflection or representation.  Since all art
must be _made_, then, as in the case of postmodernism, the modernist argument
can be applied to almost any work of art (or representation).  But what can
we learn from all this?  Perhaps that all of these categories are really only
"moments" constituitive of the process of interpretation, a process that 
ocurrs every time anyone encounters a representation.

> 
[deleted a significant amount of text dealing with particular authors/works]


Kevin Brooks
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: Debil Postmoderns Cyberpunk
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:40:05 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

In article <78739@ut-emx.uucp> kbrooks@ut-emx.uucp (kevin brooks) writes:
| ...
| The problem of "postmodernism" is more generally the problem of reflection or
| criticism.  Since "reflection" is a constituitive moment of all artistic
| production it is possible to argue for the "postmodernism" of almost any work
| of art.  Modernism on the other hand is a characteristically "blind" moment
| when action attempts to outrun reflection or representation.  Since all art
| must be _made_, then, as in the case of postmodernism, the modernist argument
| can be applied to almost any work of art (or representation).  ...

I'm not sure what you mean here -- but Modernism seems highly
reflective to me; at least, "High Modernism" does.  Earlier
Modernism has many of the qualities of what we now call Post-
Modernism.

It seems to me that Modernism was the last effort to hold an
artistic ideology together, to keep the Parthenon and Les
Demoiselles d'Avignon in one bag and run their price up.  You
can't, apparently, get Warhol, grafitti artists, and van
painters into the bag without ripping it; hence, the _post_
Modern era; not a movement or an ideology, but the lack of one.
-- 
 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
From: u8653100@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au (Dennis Lu)
Subject: What is this?
Reply-To: u8653100@keystone.arch.unsw.edu.au
Organization: Faculty of Architecture, University of New South Wales
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:58:16 GMT

Hi! Everyone,

I am new to the system. Can anyone tell me what this News group is about?
Do you talk about art and architecture at all? I am an architecture student from 
Sydney, Australia.

Dennis Lu
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: Definition of PMism
Date: 2 Sep 92 13:31:55 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

Please notice that "pomo" has become "PM".  It's shrinking....
-- 
 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
From: mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson)
Subject: Re: MacPoMo?
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:10:08 GMT

I ran a document through MS Word 5.0's spell checker. It couldn't find
"Ishmael" and suggested instead the word "Fishmeal."  Is my Macintosh
making an ironic reference to _Moby Dick_?

The next word it flagged was "someone's," suggesting "salmon's" as a
replacement.  Very fishy...

Maybe I should change my .sig file.

Call me...
_______________________________________________________________________________
"There was nothing to be    |  Michael Wasson     | "'Dead-on balls accurate'?"
done; a circumstance that   |  U of Hawaii        | "It's an industry term."
happily suited our disin-   |     and             | (from My Cousin Vinny)
clination to do anything."  |  Fat Messiah Games, |____________________________
--Herman Melville           |  S. Pacific HQ      | [standard disclaimer]
_______________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
From: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Subject: Re: Debil Postmoderns Cyberpunk
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 02:33:15 GMT


I think, on a lot of levels, that the post-modern author looks
at all that has come before her and says, "O.k. now what."
Modernism, with all of its agnst-driven, questioning led to a
dead end. (Albeit, a very interesting one at that.) Many of the 
post-modern authors (including Barth) have "answered" the 
questions of modernism/existentialism with a "That's nice, but
how does that bring us into the world?" And it is with that 
mindset that Barth's quote is truly telling. The Becketts and 
Camus etc... write interesting philosophical novels, but beyond
the university, their relevance becomes diminished. Compare that
to Barth's Chimera (excuse the lack of underlining) and you see
his point.
	Chimera is a book that uses the past (Greek mythology) and
reinvents it. His stories speak of post-modern questions that 
appeal to the intelligent, aware person in society. Gender roles,
questions of voice and telling, aging & potency, the power of myth,
and there is a great debt paid to the modernists in his stories, but
but - the literature is relevant to the physical world again.
	Eco's quote plays on the "now what" aspect of post-modernism
as well. Modernism drew itself to its end, the "great works" have 
been written, "I love you" has been said as perfectly as it is 
ever going to be said, now what? Well, footnoting is one answer, as
is plays on form, but how do we create.
	I think this is the question of the next generation of 
artists and of society as a whole. What do we create? I think a lot
of the nostalgia we see of the 1960's is that people still felt
that they lived in a limitless world. Now in literature, music,
lifein general, it appears that is no longer the case. Will we be
the first generation to not do better than our parents?
	Anyway, just something to chew on . . .

					Chris Lehmann
					University of Pennsylvania
					(did my .sig print?)
-- 
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From: milst1+@pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Snow Crash
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:26:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

A friend of mine who is a senior programmer for Autodesk in Sausalito, CA
recommended this wonderful book that I have just finished.  I thought
it was awesome, and I just wondered if anyone else if familiar with it.
Actually, it was recently reviewed in Mondo 2000.  It's called "Snow
Crash", by Neal Stephenson.  Anybody know of it, or Mr. Stephenson?

-Martin
milst1@pitt.edu
From: socwk@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: GRAVITY IS TIME ITSELF
Date: 25 Aug 92 14:55:30 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

It's the escape key for Kermit.
		Where is everyone?  This group was kicking not long ago?
From: kbrooks@ut-emx.uucp (kevin brooks)
Newsgroups: alt.postmodern
Subject: Re: Definition of PMism
Summary: applause! applause!
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:06:47 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

In article <1992Sep1.135050.10498@waikato.ac.nz>, amc@waikato.ac.nz writes:
> Postmodernism is the mid-life crisis of aging academic males who, finding their
> hegemony over the definition of reality challenged by women and blacks, have
> pettishly decided there is no reality and thereupon they have adopteda
> a position so reflexive thta their heads have disappeared up their own
> backsides from which position they report their own farts and small rabbit
> droppings.


Brilliant!  This is a simply brilliant statement, and possesses almost as
much sense of irony as the postmodernists you chide.

Sincerely,

Kevin Brooks
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: alt.party
Subject: Simple, but effective
Date: 2 Sep 1992 23:35:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

Anyone who's tried 'commercial' wine coolers can appreciate this:
they taste like bad kid's drinks!

Here's what I do (now, I know this is *not* a new idea, but I've seen
too many people pay $5 for a 4-pack of crappy coolers):

Buy a bunch of inexpensive wine
	I use those 5-liter 'boxes', get 'em at the local Price Club here in SD

Buy an equivalent amount of 7-up
	No caffeine, no artificial stuff, just clean sweet soda water

Buy a bunch of oranges, lemons, limes, grapes, pineapple, whatever

Get a plastic water bottle (like 'Sparkletts', et. el.)
	Ignore their inane 'water only' warnings;
		you're not gonna give it back anyway

Pour all the wine & 7-up in there.  Slice fruits and cram 'em through the
hole (this juices them a bit).

Shake, chill, enjoy.
	Actually, I chill the wine and soda first, then do this.  It tastes
		best fresh...

Absolutely the best beach drink I've ever offered my friends.

Simple, but effective, great tasting, but it'll hammer you fast if you're not
careful (unless, like this author, that's what you're after!)

Michael Breen
singing and philosophizing
(and planning another beach bash!)
Newsgroups: alt.party
From: anderda@eng.auburn.edu (David Anderson)
Subject: Re: new Beer Games index (8/31/92)
Reply-To: anderda@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:10:56 GMT


For those of you looking for beer games, anonymous ftp to

130.233.192.1

change directory to /pub/drinking_games

there are about 75 games there

David
Auburn U.
From: mconrad@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (|<azie)
Newsgroups: alt.party
Subject: Great drink......
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:12:10 GMT
Organization: One Particular Harbour

A real good drink!!


   Strawberry Schnapps & Pineapple juice...

Put four shots of strawberry into a 32 oz. glass (already filled with Ice)...
Fill up with pineapple juice...give a little stir!!  And drink it down!!

    


  MCONRAD@MIAVX1.mu.ohio.edu              Michele "|<azie" Conrad

    When men make you mad, tie them up, take off their clothes 
          and put rodents down their shorts  --Hallmark

     Men are Scum  --Hallmark