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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: George Seifert -- coaching record
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 06:29:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.062537.23276@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>
>  The skinny on Seifert's coaching record, counting this year:
>
>  Regular season : 51-12-0 (0.809)
>  Postseason     :  4- 1-0 (0.800)
>  Overall        : 55-13-0 (0.808)

Let's not forget that he didn't exactly inheiret the Tampa Bay Bucs or the New
England Patriots. He took over a good team (some would probably even say a
great team). I am not saying that he can't coach, but I would be more
impressed by a coach that took a bad team and brought it up (i.e. Bobby Ross,
Jimmy Johnson) than by someone who took over a Super Bowl champion team and is
getting a bit more credit than he deserves.

By the way, what playoff game did he lose?

Eric
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Re: Playoffs: Philly at NewOrleans
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:21:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.122002.692@totaltec.com> mark@totaltec.com writes:
>In article <258gwB1w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us>, corleone@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Daniel Marsalone) writes:
>> 
>>      From what I've seen today (Eagles vs. Giants), the Eagles look 
>> pretty weak. Also, the New Orleans offense seems to be non existant.
>> I was just wonderinghow some of you people out side of the New Orleans 
>> area perceive the Saints as a team and their offense in particular.
>>   
>
>Well I'm from the Philly area and I perceive the Saints in general to be a
>bunch of no-nothing,wimp assholes who couldn't play there way out of a wet
>paper bag!!!
>
>GO EAGLES!!!

Gee, that is exactly what I think of the Eagles!

Eric

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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Jills had their ass kicked
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 16:59:04 GMT

In article <Bzz3oC.D2H@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>How about, the Oilers beat a Buffalo team without four pro bowlers
>(Cornelius Bennett, Bruce Smith, Jim Kelly, and Steve Tasker)? Or, how
>about the Oilers won against a second string QB?

Well, then why didn't the Bills bench all the stars and start Gale Gilbert?
See, in the past 2 years, they used the cheap excuse that "we lose the season
finale because we rested our stars". As it turned out, they got no choice,
they either gambled on the health of the starters or got their ass kicked.
Either way, they lose. Throwing away the season finale by benching Kelly,
Thomas and Smith turned out to be the smarter way to lose, at least the
threesome would be healthy for the playoffs.

In conclusion, the Bills are never good enough to win more than 13 games.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
                                          
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From: bigdog!jon (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Pro Bowl Selections
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:42:04 GMT

Gidi Avrahami writes
> CB	Deion Sanders, Atl		Eric Allen, Phil

You've gotta be kidding.  Special teams perhaps, but if you read the  
more-or-less accurate ravings on Deion being overrated elsewhere on the net,  
there's no way in hell he should've garnered the respect from his teammates  
given his universal dislike.  I've heard some teams pick on his side  
specifically to get him flustered 'cause he's no professional.

I *have* seen him make some pretty impressive tackles on punt coverages, though  
(early in the season).
From: meskes@ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Michael Meskes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Help needed on several players!
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:10:35 GMT
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen
NNTP-Posting-Host: ulysses.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

For my fantasy superbowl I need some answers very urgent:

1) Will Thomas or Davis start for Buffalo?

2) Will Allen start for Minnesota?

3) Will Watters and Taylor start for San Francisco?

4) Who will quarterback the 49ers (Young or Montana)?

Each answer will be a great help.

Please send your answers by email, because I don't get postings before
christmas. Thanks in advance.

Michael

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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Subject: Re: GIANTS kicked ASS (is ALN happy?)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:20:24 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.210009.13105@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
>Subject: GIANTS kicked ASS (is ALN happy?)
>Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:00:09 GMT
>Hey, no need to say much except the HOSS looked
>good, the O and D looked good. Hmmm, why were they
>the underdogs?  Again, the NFC (Giants) rules against the
>AFC (Chiefs). Just think a 5-9 team kicks ass on an
>AFC team with a 9-5 record (records prior to the
>game). This only adds more credence that the
>bottom NFC teams (record wise) can beat the TOP
>AFC teams. YES, Homey thinks so! Does the AFC
>really think they can win the SB? Shit, Homey don't
>think so. The score? Who cares. The Giants W-O-N
>Well, okay:  Giants  35  Chiefs 21
>
>GO NFC!!!!!
>-- 

YES!  Thank you I am happy. :-)  (well for now anyway, us Giants fans are 
fickle,we wont really be happy until we have a real set of coaches)
But you know what, I got called into work on Saturday and didnt get to see 
the game.  Now if someone could post a sort of review by quarter, I would 
REALLY be happy!  Any takers?

TIA,
Adriene
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: point differential (Re: 49ers/Cowboys :QB problems? Thoughts?)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 02:17:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.013010.6631@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>Now where it really gets interesting:
>
>San Francisco:	195 PF-PA
>Dallas:	166
>New Orleans:	128
>Minnesota:	125
>
>This, to me, is probably the most useful single stat before one gets
>into the headache of correcting for schedule difficulty.  What it shows
>is that the Niners more dominate their opponents as a complete team than
>anyone else, and by a wide margin at that.  Dallas is a distant second,
>with NO and Minn. even more-distant thirds.  The AFC teams are mostly
>also-rans in this.
>
>What's really interesting is that it at first glance appears to have a
>remarkably high correlation coefficient with winning percentage.  

PF-PA always has a high correlation with winning. In baseball, 
there is the well-known Pythorean (sp?) estimate. Take the runs for
minus runs against, do some calculations, and you can figure out the 
winning percentage of the team (within 4-5 Ws).

The correlation also works for basketball and hockey, although not
as formal as baseball, probably because baseball has a larger sample
space in games played.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: curtis@mpd.tandem.com (Curtis Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: PACKERS - REDSKINS WILDCARD CHANCES
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:24:09 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

> Packers win, Washington wins, and Eagles loose next week? 
> I've seen some postings on this 3-way tie situation, but does anybody know 
> for sure?
> thanks.   

In this case, a recently adopted rule is invoked.  If 2(+) of the teams
in a 3(+)-way tie
are from the same division, the division tiebreaker is used first to
rank these teams.
This is to prevent the "3rd place" team in a division from having an
advantage over the
"2nd place" team in that division.  This seems to indicate that each
time the tiebreaking
procedure is used, at most 3 teams (one from each division) are compared.


Now on to GB, WAS, PHL tied at 10-6:

(1) PHL is 2nd place is NFC east; WAS is 3rd (division record of 5-3 vs 4-4)

(2) For GB vs PHL, use Head-to-Head: GB wins that, so GB is Wild Card 2
(NOR is WC1)

(3) PHL gets WC3 over WAS.


This same rule kept SF out of the playoffs last year because they were
0-2 vs ATL
so that ATL was 2nd in NFC West, and SF was 3rd.  It MAY have been that
SF would have
won a 3-way tie between PHL, ATL, and SF under the old system.

-Curtis
From: currie@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Currie)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikings + Gannon = Suck!
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:04:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

In article <1992Dec16.191238.1424@dracut.keps.com> sue@dracut.keps.com (Sue Klimowicz) writes:
>one will solve the Vikes problem.  I don't believe this. I bet you Young
>would look bad behind the Vikes Offense. Gannon is an excellent QB and if
>he sticks with it he will probably be a bad asset to a NFL team. But I
>think his career with the Vikes is over.

I sort of agree with the message here, although I think Young would do
better than "bad".  A few weeks ago Bob Trumpy (I think) pointed out
that the Vikings offensive system is so run-oriented that there are
often only two receivers running patterns.  Its pretty easy for four
defensive backs to cover two receivers, so the result is often a forced
pass, throw-away or sack.  

I think Gannon can be a decent quarterback, given his athletic ability,
but the Vikings need to open it up a bit to give him a chance.


Kim

D
D
pass, throwaway

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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Was Re:GIANTS kicked ASS
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:44:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.101748.691@totaltec.com> mark@totaltec.com writes:
>In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.73.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU>, Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec19.210009.13105@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>>game). This only adds more credence that the
>>>bottom NFC teams (record wise) can beat the TOP
>>>AFC teams. YES, Homey thinks so! Does the AFC
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>What the hell is this 'Homey thinks' so crap John ? It's not bad enough
>that we have to listen to your endless '49er's are great' shit but now
>this 'Homey' shit. Give me a break will ya.
>
I would challenge you to tell me how many time I have said the 49ers
are great. I believe your biases have clouded your FACTS. Hey lighten
up some. Your attitude is bordering on whining. Yeah, Homey thinks
so! :-)
-- 
 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes KILL the Pack
Date: 30 Dec 1992 21:22:57 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Atomic Biophysics H.H.M.I.
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In article <1992Dec30.211439.6280@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> bermes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Terry Bermes) writes:
  >
 >	Why in the world would Packer fans feel sorry for themselves?
 >This was a great year for a team that wasn't supposed to do anything.
 >
 >Enjoy it while you can Viking fans....for the first time "wait until
 >next year" may actually mean something.
 >
 >terry

I hear ya Terry,
We (Cowboys) took more crap than you can imagine going from Americas Team 
to 1-15-0, Hang in there, good season !

It's so nice to get the last laugh,,,ha ha he he ha ha he he!!!!

The Boys ARE back!
And the Packs just about "that" close......

Go Cowboys !!!!
tim
From: newson@sequent.com (Newson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Playoff question regarding Niners-Saints
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:21:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Dec22.182140.8355
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec22.054603.8912@leland.Stanford.EDU> punjabi@leland.Stanford.EDU (sanjeev punjabi) writes:
>
>Assuming the Saints end up with the best record among NFC wildcard teams, is
>there any scenario in which they could play at Candlestick in the second round
>of the playoffs?

I may be mistaken, but I thought the only time Teams from the same division
can meet in the playoffs is in the conference championship game. Has this 
changed since the 3 wildcard/conference scheme was introduced?

-newson
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Battle Royale at the Metro-Dome tomorrow.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 07:11:46 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

With the loss of the Skins to the Raiders, the Packers control
their own destiny and tomorrow's game should be a battle royale
with the Vikes.  

I for one would not be that upset with a Vike loss because
I prefer to see Farve *destroy* the Cowboys rather than
the Redskins.

If the Vikes do not make it deep into the playoffs, the next
team that I will root for in the NFC is the Pack and
ofcourse my favorite AFC team is SD.

S.H

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From: spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo)
Subject: Re: Dan Reeves is gone!
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:13:51 GMT

In <1992Dec29.143021.4468@neocad.com> bill@neocad.com (Bill Bentley) writes:

>>>Atlanta?
>>Yup.  Good system and a lot of talent for him to work with.
>This may be true, but I think the first time Sanders does a dance with
>his team down 35-7 (like he did in the game against Buffalo) Reeves would
>have a heart attack. Reeves is a class act and will not stand for that
>kind of behavior. I think he will go to either Phoenix or Seattle.

	True, but as I said, Seattle won't fire Flores, and Reeves is
probably too much of class act to bother with the Cards.

	As for Atlanta, I wish they'd quite picking on them.  I mean,
YOU play San Francisco and New Orleans twice, and play Buffalo and 
Miami to boot, and see how you'd feel at the end of December.  Glanville
will remain as long as the fans and the top office like him.

rich.
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: MVP
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:39:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.002840.17858@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

>The MVP, Most Valuable Player, is the player who is determined to be the
>most valuable to his team during the regular season.  If I've got three
>great tailbacks on my team then *individually* they are not as valuable
>as the team that only has one great tailback.  Do you understand the logic
>here?  If Young isn't in there you put in Bono who "could start for any
>other team" and he does the same thing.  How "valuable" does that make
>Young?  Look at Barry Sanders, if Sanders goes out who comes in and takes
>his place?  Do you think Sanders might be a little more valuable to his
>team than Young is to his?  I think most people would say yes.  People who
>weren't just being argumentative that is.

There's a qualification to this.  The player in question must be greatly
contributing to his team's success in the season in question.  No matter
how great Sanders is, his team is likely to finish 5-11, and Barry has
been around for most of the year (no?).

You're being too literal here (no doubt inspired by the impending selection
of a hated Niner).  The V in MVP hasn't been taken literally for ages, if
ever.  The award almost always goes to a player who:

o has an outstanding personal season
o is on a team that's kicking butt
o is at a "skill" position on offense

I think this pretty well covers it.

So, Young's a QB (generally acknowledged to be the most important
position).  He's not leading the league in passing, but he's way
far out in front of #2 (at least in his conference; I don't have
AFC numbers handy).  And his team will probably have the best record
in the league.  No one has better claim to the award this year.

If you're really interested in a crusade, start pointing out to people
that the real inequity is that linemen and most defensive players never
have a shot, and so are given their own little awards.  Did LT, Singletary
-- 
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From: jbhuber@iastate.edu (Joseph B Huber)
Subject: Re: Vikes future
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 23:14:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.080458.2645@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>
rykhus@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>	I don't think the Vikes need a new QB as bad as everyone else
>seems to think. Give Salsbury and Gannon a little experience and they could
>both be good.

The Vikes definitely need much better play from the QB position. It could come
from Gannon; I doubt that it can come from Salisbury.

Dennis Green did a good job with the Vikes, but IMO he made a bad mistake by
replacing Gannon. This was the year to find out whether Gannon is capable of
being a quality QB. Rich started out well, then fell into a slump. Instead
of seeing whether Gannon could work himself out of the slump, Green benched
Gannon for a couple of games, then threw him back in, and then benched him
again. I don't think the Vikes can accurately evaluate Gannon's potential
because of the way he was jerked in and out of the line-up. 

The Vikes cannot afford to waste a draft pick/trade on a QB if they have one
on the current roster who can do the job.  Had Green stuck with Gannon for the
entire year, the Vikes might not have won 11 games, but the question of
Gannon's ability to lead the Vikings would be definitively answered.

I don't think that Salisbury can be a starting QB. He might be able to make
better reads with some experience, but I think his lack of mobility hurts his
chances of becoming a playoff/superbowl caliber QB.


>What I believe they should pick up is an offensive
>tackle, Irwin and Zimmerman are both getting on in years. Another
>priority might be a wide receiver to help out or another RB to go with
>Allen. They could also look for a tightend to replace Jordan in the
>future. The good news is, finally there is a reason to look forward
>to the draught as they have high round draught picks this year.

This is a nice wish list, but because of the Walker deal, the Vikes are going
to have to essentially make due with what they have. Perhaps they can make
some aquisitions via free-agency.

-- 
Joe Huber 
(jbhuber@iastate.edu)        | Capt. James T. Kirk on the 2nd law of thermo: 
Dept. of Mech. Egr.          |  "It's not a hundred percent efficient,
Iowa State University        |   but nothing ever is."
From: heavy-metal@vnet.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 12:06:57 CST
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Green Bay Bob/Packer-Viking Animosity

I agree, lets cut the animosity between the fans. This is the exact kind
of thing that annoyed me when at the game. There's a distinct difference
between playful egging and going for a choke hold. Face to face its easy
to tell the difference, typed in front of you, your meaning and jest can
easily get lost. For instance, I'm not usually breathing fire when I put
in an append. Its just my thoughts at the moment. Its no more of an attack
than when I rib my fellow employees. Its all in good fun, and that is the
way it should be. I don't try to send out personal attacks, I don't believe
that I have insulted any one person in particular (and I've meant to insult
none.) JJUNGBAU pointed out my comment about fair weather Viking fans, I was
wrong to catagorize all Viking fans as fair weather. I've met alot around
here who are, but that doesn't mean that the whole are.

Anyway, I think that everyone needs to take a valium and relax, this is
supposed to be fun.

And, by the way, for whoever it was who gave me the constructive criticism:

I have a life.

Green Bay Bob

From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:08:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Stats for stat freaks
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

>(Gary Strand) /  7:58 am  Dec 31, 1992 /
>jg> The most important factor is the win-loss column. To wit: Niners 14-2....
>    that is all the numbers/stats that really count.

>  Actually, at this point, they're 0-0, like everyone else in the playoffs.
>  As soon as an "L" shows up, they're toast.

Glad to see you've finally recognized regular season games are
meaningless as compared to playoff games.  Now apply this to the last 8
years of NFC vs. AFC.

- Gary Rosen
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Hey Ed Lor, Bills 4-0 vs NFC, one more NFC team to beat
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:56:13 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <BzLBCD.A1q@acsu.buffalo.edu> v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER) writes:
>This game down to which defense was
>better, and the Bills showed that they were the better
>defense

If you really believe this, you ignorance of what defense means is staggering.

>Sure the Bills were a little
>lucky getting the fumble a the end of the game but CHAMPIONS
>find ways to win.

True . . . but how do the Bills do it?

Daniel Welch
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Week 16 & cumulative passer ratings
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:23:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec22.190946.26433@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>[As always, e-mail corrections are appreciated.]
>
>Week 16 (minimum 10 attempts):
>Pos Name              Atts  Comp   Cmp%  Yards  AvgGn  TDs TD %  INT  IN% RATE
>--- ----------------  ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  --- ----  --- ---- ----
> 2 Jeff Hostetler      16    10   62.5    131   8.19    2 12.5    0  0.0 127.9


Oh sure... NOW he decides to play like this!  Where wuz you when we neede you?

satish nair
giants (6-10 in '92)

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