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From: ekl35091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (larkin erik keith)
Subject: Animator: Progressive Rock from Champaign
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:25:49 GMT

To everyone:

O K, I'm sorry i forgot to post the price of the CD
please find it in your hearts to forgive me.
if you would like the Animator CD it is
$10 + $2 shipping and handling (that's $12 total
for those who have an arithmetic problem)
to:
     Animator P.O. Box 483 Urbana, IL 61801

				R. Marc Phillips
				Animator Psuedo-mang.
From: sbsm_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Stu Bushman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: REM
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:30:18 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

>I'm learning some REM songs and you know how the lyrics are dream-like in
>their understanding.  If anyone can help me, I'm learning several songs
>off of _Life's Rich Pageant_ and any lyrics would be most helpful.  Any
>other lyrics the anyone may have would hurt either.

Try the lyrics ftp site at cs.uwp.edu
directory: /pub/music/lyrics/r/rem
It's there w/abuncho other stuff

Stu
sbsm_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Mitchell Kotler)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Does anyone know about GRYPHON?
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:20:25 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

Can anyone give me any information about this band.
They had a medieval sound to them so I suppose this
is the proper newsgroup to post in.

Thanks,

Mitch
From: stevep@apollo.HP.COM (Steve Pearce)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Caravan of Dreams in Canterbury
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:54:49 GMT
Organization: SSG/CSY Pinewood, UK
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I saw posted on teletext last night that Caravan of Dreams is playing a concert
tonight (Jan 21st) at the Penny Theatre, Northgate, Canterbury.

I can't get to the concert :-(  Does anyone know if there will be any other
UK dates coming up?

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From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: HTM's Crafty Hands
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:04:30 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1jmlfvINNoth@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> casey@allegory.engin.umich.edu (Daniel Scott Casey) writes:

>actually, i would be very wary about this. if this is the one done
>by the Edison label, you may not want to get it. i dropped $30 on it
>when it came out last year on jap cd.  i love this band, and i love
>this album, but there is so much hiss and noise i could not believe
>it. i thought my cables went bad in my speakers or something.

Whoa ! I've got the _Crafty Hands_ CD on Edison and mine sounds fine !
I got mine around 88/89 when they first pressed it, along with the first
album, and i've never noticed anything unusually hissy about either.

>a great album, but only 2 tunes from this aren't on retrospective.

Never mind that one of these two songs ("Ibby It Is") was the album's
best cut ! Even ignoring the fact that two cuts are missing, listening
to the remaining tracks on retrospective shuffled with tracks from the
first album (they cut three tracks off of that one) destroys much of the
cohesion that these albums had in their original form.
I say if you can get the originals, go for them !

Another thing regarding _Retrospective_, I never could figure out why they
put three cuts from the third album on it - this one was already available
domestically, and it took up valuable space that some of the chopped cuts
from the first two could have occupied, like "Ibby" or "Mr.Mirror".


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
From: oneal@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Spaceman Spiff O'Neal)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Clearlight ?
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:35:46 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory

In article <1k1qvvINN599@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>Just picked up Clearlight's Forever Blowing Bubbles and was *very*
>impressed.  Quite a bit of fury, a little 5/4 time, and lots of
>layers.  The early Hillage reference that I had remembered seemed
>to be pretty close.  Can someone tell me a little more about this
>gem - like what else exists, how it relates to FBB, ......
>
>As always, thanks in advance.
>Bob
>
>-- 


They have one other album out on CD that I know about, called Symphony.
I like it, and it is quite similar to FBB but not quite as good.  
Hillage plays on it, but David Cross does not (Cross is on FBB).
I also heard (but it is unsubstantiated) that the bubble sound effect
is from Lawrence Welks bubble machine.  They are from France.  That
is just about all I know,  anyone else....?
-Mike
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From: barrett@server.cs.jhu.edu (Dan Barrett)
Subject: Re: Has anyone heard of Shawn Lane?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:55:34 GMT

In article <C1AADE.H1x@fiu.edu> feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers) writes:
>I have a fabulous album by a man named Shawn Lane.
>Has anyone else here head of him?  I have to classify him as progressive.

	I have his debut album ("Powers of Ten"), and I think it's terrific
for a first release.  His chops on all the instruments are quite good,
and the songwriting is not bad.  I look forward to hearing more from
this talented multi-instrumentalist.

	Yup, he's definitely playing progressive rock/fusion.

>He plays guitar and keyboards well enough to rival Steve Morse and Rick
>Wakeman respectively and the music on the album is incredibly lush.

	I don't think he's anywhere *nearly* as good as Morse or Wakeman.
His writing lacks their maturity, and his playing isn't as tight and
inventive as theirs.  But I like him.  I would put him more in a league with
Eric Johnson on guitar.

                                                        Dan

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From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Midwestern Prog
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:11:30 GMT
Organization: Temple University
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	Is Don Schott anywhere to be found?  He was the leader of the band
Ra Can Row out of Cincinnatti in the early 80s.  Don't know what became of
him.

			Andy Wing

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From: casey@antithesis.engin.umich.edu (Daniel Scott Casey)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: MORE Djam Karet News
Date: 25 Jan 1993 22:38:38 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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Originator: casey@antithesis.engin.umich.edu


Got a note from Gayle Ellett recently, mostly repeating the stuff
Craig Shipley posted recently, however, here are a few other tidbits:

- The next two Djam Karet CDs will be released simultaneously
towards the end of the summer or in early fall

- The new studio CD will feature the following players along
with the band:

KIT WATKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve Roach
Jeff Greinke

The old prog guard meets the new, pretty impressive combination
IMHO. 

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca


>>>>>

i heard from mclatchey that mike henderson has left Djam
Karet. anyone else heard this, or know if it is true?
mclatchey (as longwinded as he is) is usually a wealth
of information and is not usually wrong about these things
and doesnt really partake in the spread of rumours...
anyways, i hope it is not ture, but to have Kit Watkins
play with Djam Karet, wow! what will that be like. a very
unlikely merger, but i cant say i will be awaiting anything
as much as this!!!!!
Dan Casey
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From: ferejohn@leland.Stanford.EDU (john ferejohn)
Subject: Re: If I like King Crimson, who else should I l
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:16:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.183429.24945@walter.cray.com> kenichi@cray.com writes:
>Sounds like you are longing for the Jazz fusion (the original) of the
>70's.  Some one in rec.music.bluenote had an extensive list of the more
>popular 70's Jazz fusion groups.  The list typically includes early
>Mahavishu Orchestra, Bill Cobham, Return to Forever, Al Di Mieola,
>Stanley Clarke, Chic Corea, John Abercrombie and Weather Report.  I
>would also include early Santana, Focus, Flock, some Man, Argent,
>Airto, East of Eden, Jeff Beck, Mountain, Wishbone Ash, and all Steve
>Tibbetts and Egberto Gismonti.  Oh, It's a Beautiful Day and Iron
>Butterfly might qualify, too.
>
Don't forget Steps Ahead.  More modern, but definitely some great
progressive jazz/fusion.  I suggest NYC.  Their first one is good
to, but more straight jazz than fusion.  Also check out the Brecker
Brothers(the new one anyway, I don't know how their 70's stuff is),
and the Yellow Jackets(preferably after Minzer Joined, '84 I THINK)
                                 -Chris



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From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: holdsworth, bruford
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:15:24 GMT

buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby) writes:

>In his book, "When In Doubt, Roll," Bruford states...

Hullo, what's this? When did Bruford's book come out and waht's the scope?
Does he talk about Crimson? Any good stories and anecdotes? 

BTW, I can't recall if I mentioned this before, but Tower video in 
Berkeley has a Bruford video, I think one of those instructional type
things, for something like $.49 rental. Haven't got to it yet - it's
only 30 minutes, I think. The cover says it includes King Crimson footage. 

  - Malcolm
From: ian@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Ian M Glazer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Where is THE LONGS?
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:03:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Can someone please help me? I have been awaiting the release of The Way We Walk
Genesis The Longs.  But where is it. I heard the release date was this Tuesday,
but I have also heard it hasn't been released it.  Where is it?

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From: borella@toadflax.UCDavis.EDU (Mike Borella)
Subject: Re: New Steve Howe release
Organization: UC Davis, EECS Division of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:09:34 GMT
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In article <1993Jan27.041751.14096@wam.umd.edu>,
moleface@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Moleface) writes:
> 	As for the songs being based on _Union,_ I can only think of two,  
> whose names I can't recall offhand, but actually, I think it's safe to say  
> that the _Union_ songs were based upon the _Turbulence_ songs.  I say this  
> because I re-read an interview with Howe from September of '89, not long  
> after _ABWH_ came out, and he was talking about a new solo album he was  
> putting the finishing touches on called _Turbulence._  Why it didn't come  
> out until after _Union,_ I don't know.  Maybe you're right and he did base  
> two songs on the Yes material as filler (although I personally think these  
> are two of the better moments on the album).  Just my $.01/2.
> 

YESPOST, AIIGH!

I chatted w/Steve around August '89 during the 
ABWH tour.  He said that Turbulence would be out
in October of that year.  He lied.

-Mike


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From: whunt@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (William Hunt)
Subject: Bruford's "When in Doubt, Roll"
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:14:10 GMT

I came across my copy of Bill Bruford's "When in doubt, Roll" last
night, and thought there were some things in which might be of interest
to a.m.p readers,  and it turns out there's been some mention of it
here recently.  It's primarily a drum instruction book, with
transcriptions of the drum parts of music from most of the recorded 
phases of his career, up to just before Earthworks.  Tracks transcribed
include Heart of the Sunrise, Fracture, Hell's Bells and Disipline, so
if you've ever wondered about the details of time signature changes on 
those pieces, this book's for you.  

Of more general interest, each transcription is preceeded by
fairly wide ranging commentary by Bruford about the group the piece was
recorded by, the equipment used, his philosophy in arriving a drum part,
etc.  In these, Bruford gives his perspective on a number of issues
which I've seen discussed on a.m.p during my sporatic reading of it
in the past few months.  

For instance, with regard to UK, he says it
was original going to be what used to be called a "supergroup"
consisting of himself, Wetton and Rick Wakeman, but that Wakeman's
participation was "thankfully" nixed by his record company, A&M.  
Holdsworth and Jobson were subsequently recruited instead.  
He does refer to a split within the group, with Wetton and Jobson 
wanting to please the audience, and himself and Holdsworth wanting 
to be true to artisic principles.  He refers to Holdsworth in glowing 
terms on many occasions in the book.

Also, in the "About the Author" section, one of the groups listed as
ones Bruford has played in is Gong, which I believe was a subject of 
some debate a while ago.



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From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Univers Zero
Date: 24 Jan 1993 15:19:07 -0600
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In article <1jp636INN1pe@meaddata.meaddata.com> timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein) wr
ites:
>
>Is Univers Zero's album "1313" representative?
>Specifically, if I don't like "1313", will I not like "Ceux Du Dehors"
>either?
>


IMHO, the best places to start with Univers Zero is either with
Uzed or Ceux du Dehors.  They're both accessible compared to the
first two.  1313 and Heresie tend to go off the edge a bit - I've managed to 
get into 1313 but Heresie I still find very hard to listen to.  It's
too dark, slow, and linear.  So to answer the question, no, 1313 is not
representative.  Every UZ album is different.

-Mike
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:18:41 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: holdsworth, bruford
 <eF0oXB5w165w@bluemoon.use.com> <C19EnF.7tw@panix.com>

In article <C19EnF.7tw@panix.com>, fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller) says:
>
>In <eF0oXB5w165w@bluemoon.use.com> buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby)
>writes:
>
>>Jobson and Wetton saw crowd-pleasing as top priority rather than
>>creativity.
>
>That would explain Wetton's work with ASIA.  Now if only someone would
>explain how he got Carl Palmer and Steve Howe involved.

In the May '92 RockLine that Carl Palmer did w/ E and L (he being the P,
of course :) ) Carl explained that he played in Asia as a change from the
progressive realm, and to experiment with more simplistic styles (I *think*
that's what he said, at least)

Howe probably formed Asia because he and Downes were all that were left
in Yes, and had nothing better to do...

Anyways, the first Asia album is awesome, anyways...

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Univers Zero
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:07:02 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
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Is Univers Zero's album "1313" representative?
Specifically, if I don't like "1313", will I not like "Ceux Du Dehors"
either?

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timk@meaddata.com                                         -- Jimi Hendrix
From: rnc@cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu (Rich Czerwinski)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: New NA bands
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:04:31 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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In article <1k0r42INN9b1@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu>, jlarke@css.itd.umich.edu (Jason Larke) writes:
> 	Tally this one up as a big vote for Echolyn. Just
> got their first (only?) CD from Wayside records, and they
> are *quite* good. Hints of Marrillion, Yes, and Rush, plus
> some interesting vocal harmonies and instrumental
> arrangements of their own.
> 
> -- 

Echolyn has a new CD available, titled Suffocating the Bloom.  It's as 
good as their first disk.  I saw them play when I was home in Philadelphia
over Christmas break.  Great concert, and really nice guys too.  

I would also include Styx, Kansas and the Who in the list of musical
influences I could detect.  Watch for this band!!!!

rich
From: e343mh@tamuts.tamu.edu (Michael Hand)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: King Crimson (was Re: Would I like ELP?)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:58:56 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
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Jason Finestone writes:
>  King Crimson is different through its incarnations.  The first couple are
>very "psychedelic" ensemble pieces, the 73-74 trio sounds a little bit like
>Rushbut a lot more like Primus

Lemme get this straight,
Larks'/Starless/Red sound like Rush and/or Primus?
(Note: "trio"!)
B-o} Michael
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From: decouty@irisa.fr (Bertrand DECOUTY, Atelier)
Subject: Re: Clearlight ?
Reply-To: decouty@irisa.fr
Organization: IRISA-INRIA, Campus de Beaulieu, 35042 Rennes Cedex, FRANCE
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 09:22:36 GMT

In article 28058@csi.jpl.nasa.gov, oneal@csi.jpl.nasa.gov (Spaceman Spiff O'Neal) writes:
>In article <1k1qvvINN599@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>>Just picked up Clearlight's Forever Blowing Bubbles and was *very*
>>impressed.  Quite a bit of fury, a little 5/4 time, and lots of
>>layers.  The early Hillage reference that I had remembered seemed
>>to be pretty close.  Can someone tell me a little more about this
>>gem - like what else exists, how it relates to FBB, ......
>>
>>As always, thanks in advance.
>>Bob
>>
>>-- 
>
>
>They have one other album out on CD that I know about, called Symphony.
>I like it, and it is quite similar to FBB but not quite as good.  
>Hillage plays on it, but David Cross does not (Cross is on FBB).
>I also heard (but it is unsubstantiated) that the bubble sound effect
>is from Lawrence Welks bubble machine.  They are from France.  That
>is just about all I know,  anyone else....?
>-Mike
>

"Symphonie" is their first LP, "FBB" the second one (1975, produced by
Mick Glossop), the next one being "Les contes du singe fou", recorded
in november 1976 and produced by Joel Dugrenot, who plays bass guitar.

This LP features Tim Blake (synthesizers) and Didier Lockwood (violin),
among others. Includes: The Key (part one [5'27], part two [8'38]),
Soliloque [5'35], Time skater [22'14]. I have it on LP (Ref:
Isadora/RCA 9009) but not heard it since a long time!

Symphonie and FBB are (were ?) on Virgin label, ref V2039 for FBB.

Clearlight is headed by Cyrille Verdeaux, who plays keyboards.

Last word: yes they are from France, although some players are not french.

I do not know what is available on CD and what they are doing now.

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From: borella@toadflax.cs.UCDavis.EDU (Mike Borella)
Subject: Re: Djam Karet as a 3 piece
Organization: UC Davis, EECS Division of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:02:03 GMT
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In article <malcolm.728065986@wrs.com>, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
> borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella) writes:
> >>i heard from mclatchey that mike henderson has left Djam
> >>Karet. anyone else heard this, or know if it is true?
> 
> >Yes, it is.  If you don't believe Mike McLatchey (and you shouldn't since
> >he makes up at least half of those supposedly "obscure" bands he raves
> >about :-) Hi Mike!) it is also reported in I/E.
> 
> >This is at least part of the reason they're working w/Watkins, Roach, etc.
> 
> I thought what Mike (or someone else?) told me was that Henderson was
> perhaps still going to work with the band, but not full time any longer,
> at least some contexts. Has the situation perhaps changed since the last 
> I heard on it? 
> Any chance Henderson be playing live with the band this summer at the L.A.
> progfest?

From what I understand Henderson will be joining them at the ProgFest
but he's not necessarily going to record with them again.

Supposedly the lineup at ProgFest will be a five piece w/mystery keysman.
My first guess is Roach, second is Watkins (these are just guesses!)

-Mike
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