HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: smackinnon@mta.ca
Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "Realm Of Fear"
Reply-To: smackinnon@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:12:40 GMT

In article <rawdon.718745065@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>No, the worms were the humans; they looked like worms due to sensory
>distortion in the transporter beam.
>
>The alien life form was microscopic.
	Sorry to be a nitpicker, but I thought the the life form 
was microscopic, but Barclay belived them to be very large, due to the 
distorsion(sp) of the transporter beam.
>
>-- 
>Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
>University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI
>
>"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak."
>				- Dream, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
From: Clive_Camm@mindlink.bc.ca (Clive Camm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What did Picard say?
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:03:10 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Sylvain Chamberland writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <Bvs0DJ.2A7@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
> Posted: 8 Oct 92 00:08:06 GMT
>
> Org.  : University of Waterloo
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> In article <1992Oct6.172401.9035@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com>
> sabat@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:
> >Does anyone know what Picard says at the end of the episode (I think "The
> >Enemy") where Geordie and a Romulan are stranded on a planet and learn to
> >help each other barely making it back to the Enterprise at the end when
> the
> >big E and a Romulan warbird are about to blast each other.  It is
> something
> >like "______manship is a dangerous game."  We have rewatched it several
> times
> >and cannot figure it out.  Thanks
> >
> >Ted                    Sabat@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
>
> Well, to me it sounded like "brigmanship" or "bringmanship", but I don't
> have any idea about the meaning of that word. (well, I got an idea,
> judging by the context, but that's all.)
>
> (Please don't flame me for my lack of vocabulary, I'm still learning this
> language)
>
> --
> Sylvain Chamberland           INTERNET: schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca
> Dept. of Biology
> -----------------------------------------------------
> University of Waterloo    |  "Biochimiste un jour, biochimiste toujours!"
> Waterloo, Ontario, Canada |                               - anonyme


The term is "Brinkmanship".  I believe it is a diplomatic term which means
something like bringing events to the brink of war.

My two cents, anyways.

Clive Camm

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From: mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen)
Subject: Re: Dread of Scotty / Non-spoiler
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 20:27:25 GMT

IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil) writes:

>So if you don't get the first viewing until late in the week, you could
>always read the novelization.  Besides, the books are always better than
>the tv or movie!

I beg to differ.  Yes, for the most part the books are very good and
usually are tough to put down (case in point: Final Frontier, Kobyahi
Maru, etc.).  But my experience with novelizations of episodes is not a
good one.  Granted, I have only read Unification, but it was bad
enough to make me think that writing a book based on a television
episode has got to be harder than writing an original story from
scratch.  Writing around an episode the writer is limited to what
happens in the episode (yes, they can add filler, but for the most
part it's limiting).  I found Unification to be lacking probably for
this reason.  The other problem was that the book was probably written
before filming and so things had changed, making some inconsistencies
even more glaring because I felt the book was so poorly written.

Mike
--
Michael Rosen						"Beer - It does
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mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu
Michael.Rosen@bbs.oit.unc.edu or @lambada.oit.unc.edu
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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE F
Keywords: gold shirted extras
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:53:05 GMT

scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
>Worf was not the science officer, he was and is a tactical officer while
>serving on the bridge.  This means that he SHOULD have worn a gold
>uniform even during the first season.  If he was a science officer, he
>would have worn blue, like Ensign Janeway from "Man of the People".

Judging from the number of expendable characters which have
appeared wearing gold unis, I would hesitate to insist
that Worf become a

	"GOLD-SHIRTED EXTRA"

prematurely.

Oh well...

-- 

bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: New trek novels (3 of them!)
Date: 11 Oct 92 07:17:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct11.001750.4221
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

Three new trek books??? Oh great, well, there goes my earnings....Actually,
I have not yet seen any of these books....Maybe I will need to check again
and see (they were not there yesterday..)

Thanks for the info...

Dave
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From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Admiralty in MOP *minor s
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

TO:howes@cat15.cs.wisc.edu

GH>My trek world view has been shattered. There was an actual white, male
GH>admiral in Man of the People who did not: become taken over by
GH>space scorpians, plot to supply weapons to rebels, plot to kill rebels,
GH>come on board with the intention of taking crewman's android daughter
GH>in for study, order Data reassigned for dissassembly, or get 40 ships
GH>destroyed in one big military operation. Of course, said admiral had
GH>only about 5 lines of dialog, but what if this becomes a trend?

He wasn't the first.  Admiral Haden, played by John Hancock, appeared in
two episodes, "The Defector" and "The Wounded".

Besides, there's been less than twenty admirals seen on-camera in all of
TNG.  I personally favor a diverse admiralty.

Scott

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From: vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong)
Subject: Trek Authors (was: Peter David, Diane Duane, etc.)
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:04:09 EDT

Hmmmm.  Good Star Trek novelists are pretty hard to come by, but I
think some guidelines might be helpful.

1.  Peter David, in his early work, tends to use stock phrases a lot.
    (The ironic "marvelous" comes to mind.)  Bear in mind though that
    he is one of the few writers in science fiction who will mouth 
    character quotations, out loud, when he writes them.  Hence when he
    records conversations they sound most natural.

2.  Diane Duane is probably one of the more improved Trek writers.  Her
    THE WOUNDED SKY seems to follow the formula that Robert Greenberger
    complains about--the "lone female saves the universe" story--but her
    later works work out rather nicely.  She particularly has the McCoy
    character nailed down.

3.  Avoid Diane Carey.  She tends to overdo the romaniticism and create
    characters that will only work in a comic book, and on their own.
    (Silver Paladin--sheesh, give me Buck Godot, Zap Gun for Hire any
    day ... )

4.  James Blish's Spock Must Die! is alright, if perhaps a little
    apocryphal.  We have to remember that he was a "hard" sci-fi writer
    before doing the ST adaptations, and so allowances must be made ...

5.  Whoever came up with Black Fire should be shot.

6.  As long as you ignore the external context of television, ISHMAEL
    works quite nicely.'

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                            VICTOR WONG
                     vincent@micor.ocunix.on.ca
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            "Closed minds lead short lives."--Anonymous
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From: mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Stupid question about Peter David
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:48:35 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

As per the instructions of my sys admin I'm cutting this text down to 
give the following..

>"Orgasm works also."  (I tried this once.  It works.)"
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>I defy anyone to figure out what prompted it.
>
>PAD
I think its about time I applied for that job with the Sport.  [ For those
that don't know this is an English trash newspaper with such headlines
as Elvis seen in a local chip shop, woman made love to a dalek etc ]

Mark
From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Let's put this on a FAQL (Re: O'Brien's Rank)
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:39:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac20-19.jgasaway-081092103124
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA

In article <07OCT92.21431825.0064@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA
(CXMP) wrote:

(deleted stuff)

> You know, it wasn't that long ago that Mark Holtz' Lists of Lists came
> out.  He didn't give the source (The Writer's Guide?  TNG Tech. Man.?)
> but he did give the following discription of ranks on TNG:
> 
> Fleet Captain            Five solid gold pips
> Captain                  Four solid gold pips
> Commander                Three solid gold pips
> Lieutenant Commander     Two solid gold pips and one hollow one
> Lieutenant               Two solid gold pips
> Lieutenant Junior Grade  One solid gold pip and one hollow one
> Ensign                   One solid gold pip
> Ensign Junior Grade      One hollow gold pip
> Midshipman               One gold starburst worn on the right uniform
>                          lapel
> 
> OK, so the rank O'Brien had in "The Realm of Fear" was that of Ensign
> (either full of JG) whether the pip was solid or not.  Fine.  But
> wasn't O'Brien a Lieutenant in earlier episodes?

As far as *our* military is concerned, there is *NO* "Ensign Junior Grade"!
 "Ensign" is the lowest naval officer rank.  Period.  Its equivalent
Marine, Army, and Air Force rank is "2nd Lt."

If ST:TNG wants to make their own rank structure, fine.  But I want a
specific source from which the writers refer.


James 
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
From: spock@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bruce W. Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: relics
Keywords: SPOILERS!
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:40:07 GMT
Organization: CS Dept, Ball St U, Muncie, Indiana


spoiler alert!



























turn back!  It's not too late!













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You was warned...8^)
Sorry for all the lines, but I have no idea how to place a formfeed into 
a file. 8^(

Well, I just about shit my pants last night-they done brought Scotty back
from the "dead."  I'm so glad to see him.  Now if only they could bring
Sulu or Chekov...they were both (relatively) young...8^)

I was so afraid this would be another case of contradictionitis-a disease
the TNG writers seem to be trying hard to avoid these days...8^)  But when
Geordi gave the description of the transporter "lock" I thought "hey-they're
using technobabble, but they're explaining it...8^)"

In all, not their best episode.  They missed out on some choice material
by not having ANY interplay between Scotty and Worf. 8^(  And why didn't
they at least MENTION that McCoy (maybe...) and Spock were still alive?
Hmmmm...ah, well...

I loved that Dyson Sphere, btw...I was almost hoping it would be the Borg
homeword...*evilgrin*

Catch y'all later....

Spock
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From: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Subject: Re: Pool halls and Klingon Ships...
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 22:15:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.032349.11376@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
>In article <1992Oct10.194149.4595@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>>Why is it that Klingon ships always seem to be filled with smoke? I've never
>>seen a Klingon with a cigar/cigarette. The whole ship reminds me of a smoke
>>filled pool hall. If the smoke is from machines, is it at all toxic? Just
>>wonderin'.
>
>This won't be a 'canon' explanation but here's my $.02 worth.  From what
>I have read in the books, Klingons like a much more humid atmosphere than
>the ones humans prefer.  To them the air in an environment suited to 
>humans is uncomfortably dry.  So the smoke may actually be sticky humidity
>in the air (kinda like living in a permanent fog).  One could assume from
>the presence of Worf on the Enterprise that this is a preference they
>get from living on their home world(s?) and the Earth-raised Worf does
>not miss the humidity.
>
>Yasmin
>
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Maybe Worf does miss the humidity.  Maybe thats why he always
acts as if he has a great big bug up his ass.


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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Relics *Spoilers*
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 03:00:26 EDT

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>bring more of the TOS cast members back with cameo appearances while
>they were on the holodeck.  I kept on waiting for the computer to
>display Uhura, Checkov, Sulu, etc...  It would've been GREAT!
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
   In the novelization, there was a scene with the entire TOS crew.  I don't
know whether that was Friedman's embellishment, or whether it was in the
first draft of the screenplay, but it was a very nice scene.
         Junsok Yang
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From: dlou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:25:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <ewright.718580087@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <DAVIDM.92Oct7193638@consilium.com> davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson) writes:
>>2. Lt. J.G. Worf's promotion to Lt.
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>Worf went from being a helmsman to chief of security.  New job, new rank.

Yes, this is nitpicking, but I just changed inews servers and I think
following up to this is better than a stupid "this is a test, please
ignore" message...

Worf was science officer, not helmsman.  Data is most often seen at
the helm.
From: jasonp@scat4.prime.com (Jason Pascucci)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Sexism and MotP *Spoilers*
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:05:16 GMT
Organization: Prime Computer

Minor Spoilers Follow, but humorous



Why is it that the *GUY* always is pulling his boots on.I think
it would have been much more amusing to have Troi pulling on
her boots, and Ensign Willing-And-Able Still in Bed, looking
mighty pleased, or quite asleep, or both.  :)

Also, another thing which caught my eye was that Riker didn't call
Crusher down *immediately* after Troi scratched him. You could
start to see signs of age on Troi then...Riker shouldn't have
been as clueless as all that. 

About Worf: Well...yeah. I have to agree, pretty crummy security.
I would have expected him to remove both of the Guard's
heads and hand them to Picard with some clever saying...
`They Paniced...errr...Lost their heads.' Or something.

Anyways, overall I didn't think it was quite as bad as some
of the reviews lead me to believe. It had it's moments,
and I have to agree some parts could have been done better,
but overall it was okay. (B)

-Jason
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From: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss)
Subject: S.O.S.: Man of the People  (Mark II)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:47:38 GMT


Okay, folks.  Since I posted my S.O.S. summary of ``Man of the
People'' earlier in the week, I have gotten several more ratings.

I've also gotten a suggestion that since many people don't see
episodes until the end of the week, I should post later.  Hmm.  I see
that confusion about this still reigns.  The S.O.S. is supposed to be
a PREVIEW of the episode specifically for those people who don't get
to see the episode until later in the week.  This way, they can have
an idea of the QUALITY of an episode, without being exposed to the
CONTENT.  If there is great enough demand, I can TRY to make two
postings:  one on Thurs, and another on maybe Sunday night.

Also, I regret that I am going to be unable to continue accepting
letter grades.  There is too much disagreement in regards to the
proper conversion to a 10-Point scale.  So if you normally rank with
letter grades, please make the conversion BEFORE you send me your
ranking.

Ok, enough babbling.  On with the summary...

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Tim Lynch       3.0/10.0        3.0       * * *
Jason Snell*    C+              5.5       * * * * * Y
Mark Ruzon      6.5/10.0        6.5       * * * * * * Y
Tim Witort      65/100          6.5       * * * * * * Y
Terry Cooper    8.6/10.0        8.6       * * * * * * * * Y
======================================================================
Average	                        6.0       * * * * * *
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* Jason sent me a second e-mail with his 10-Point conversion after the
  original posting.

The symbols used for partial points are as follows:

0.1 - 0.2  `,'
0.3 - 0.4  `>'
0.5 - 0.6  `Y'
0.7 - 0.8  `X'
0.9 - 1.0  `*'

Next week:  Relics - The much talked about ``Scotty episode.''  Taking
votes now!

Joe
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From: andre@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cygnus Software Ltd)
Subject: Rascals info (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: andre@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 10:03:33 +0000


> 133.  10/31/92  233               Rascals

I don't think this info has been posted yet (I guess I'd have noticed
the outcry). You really aren't going to like this, but the general plot
for the upcoming episode "Rascals" is about a transporter malfunction in
which a group beaming back aboard the Enterprise (including Picard,
apparently) suffer a freak transporter malfunction and get beamed back
aboard as children... Picard even has hair!

Hmmm.....

Andre

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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: Riker-Troi
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:07:01 GMT

I started watching TNG only a year ago.  Therefore I don't know what was
going on between Riker and Troi.  I think they were seeing each other during
the early seasons.  How did their relationship end?  Can anyone tell me the
exact episode in which they broke up.

Siva
ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu
From: anton_sanderfoot@qms1.life.uiuc.edu (Tony Sanderfoot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:22:12 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <9210112204.AA02063@hrt216.brooks.af.mil>,
smd@hrt216.brooks.af.mil (Sten M. Drescher) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Oct9.181814.1683@wixer.cactus.org> raistlin@wixer.cactus.org (Eli Boaz) writes:
> 
etc.etc.etc. <stuff deleted>

I almost hate to chime in on this, but I just think that it has become
pretty clear to me what is going on.

While up until Realm of Fear, and the story on DS9, I fully believe that
O'Brien was a Lieutenant. At least to the writers of the 5th and 4th season
episodes. I'm certain the "Chief" applied to Transporter Chief, and that
the pips were correct for him being a lieutenant.

However... Now that the line is that he is being PROMOTED to chief of
operations at DS9 (maybe that's a spoiler, though I doubt it), and the
sudden appearance of a single hollow pip, and Barclay is ordering him
around in RoF, I fully believe that he is being retconned to a Chief Petty
Officer. Oh, well, that's the way it goes with the powers that be
sometime...

Just 2 cents from someone who has changed his mind on this issue.

Tony.
From: gregm@planet10.WPI.EDU (Gregory M Marr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: s.o.s.: man of the pe
Date: 12 Oct 1992 04:57:19 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: planet10.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct11.3208.12161@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>YES!  Go by the standard of at least the York Region Board of Education
>here in Markham Ontario, Canada!  :-)  I believe MOST elementry and
>secondary schools around North America go by the following standard:
>
>A        80-100
>B        70-79.9
>C        60-69.9
>D        50-59.9
>E        0-49.9
At least here in Mass, (and probably all the US, although I don't know
for sure) it is:
A: 90-100
B: 80-89
C: 70-79
D: 60-69
F: 0-59
When +'s and -'s are given, it is broken down as:
A-: 90-92
A: 93-96
A+: 97-100
etc.
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From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: STTNG SEASON SIX BROADCAST SCHEDULE
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:00:37 GMT

...Mike, you just now noticed that?

What the hell IS "People-Net", anyway?

                                                                OM