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From: Andy.Spinella@p2.f190.n129.z1.fidonet.org (Andy Spinella)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: TV Trivia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:20:06 -0800

as of today's date we here in pennsylvania have'nt seen that program. 
however as a former volunteer firefighter/EMT i would be interested in
seeing a show like that.  give me any info on the contex of the show. 
we 
do have a show here called RESCUE 911  that depicts actual rescues and
dispatches from 911 services around the country.

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From: Bruce.Phillips@f182.n132.z1.fidonet.org (Bruce Phillips)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: T-Shirts.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:46:00 -0800

> Hi Bruce, I wear a large. Thanks. Mike
> 
Where do I send it??? 

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From: Bob.Upson@f333.n142.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Upson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: PHOTOGRAPHERS ON SCENE.
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:28:00 GMT

SS> Come on now.....
SS> Let's see, it's acceptable for members of the press to be in front
line
SS> battle units, it's acceptable for the press to be in the middle of
SS> riots, it's acceptable for the press to ride with the cops, but it's
not
SS> acceptable for them to be on our scenes?  "For THEIR protection"?
 
Frankly, I'm not all that concerned about *their* protection -- I'm
worried about mine and my fellow firefighters'.  If some yahoo from the
press looking for that 'special' shot gets himself hurt or killed, I
chalk it up to natural selection at work.  But who do you think has to
go in and get them out when they *do* get hurt?  That risks *my* people
and that's unacceptable.
 
On a more mundane level, I'm concerned about general order on the
incident scene. I don't tolerate any of *my* people running around
unsupervised on the scene (aka 'freelancing'), so I *damn* sure don't
want some civilian getting underfoot. Good site management is the key to
scene safety and wandering fools are not part of good site management.
 
SS> Doesn't it seem kinda silly to feud with someone who buys ink in
barrels
SS> and tape by the mile?
 
In other words, be nice to the press -- regardless of the stupid and
dangerous things they often do -- because they might blackmail your
department with bad ink?  <g>  Good press relations are useful -- but
under *no* circumstances will they dictate the level of safety enforced
at any incident under my control.

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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:05:46 -0500
From:         STUANDES@EKU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Short, personal, annoying, space eating,
              time consuming messages

well, i don't think that we can do anything about our annoying messages anymore
than any of you all can do about yours, so why don't we stop bickering about it
and try to hold a conversation dealing with emergency services, which is what
this area is about, NOT ANNOYING MESSAGES!
i'd like to read about emergency stuff, not a bunch of whiners!
and here is my name for those that wish to complain in person or E-mail:
David Andes also known as --->    IN%"STUANDES@EKU.BITNET"
send all mail private on e-mail please as not to annoy others!
From: William.J..Vital@f430.n107.z1.fidonet.org (William J. Vital)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: afa training..
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:33:00 -0800

          Michael Seneco sent

Michael Seneco Overheard William J. Vital talking about Afa training..
recently.....  WJV> Red Cross Prehospital  WJV> medicine has evolved
dramatically over the past 20 years. AFA was,  WJV> it's time, the
standard of care. This was at a time when ambulance  WJV> crews
basically ran "scope and swoop" operations. Although If you  WJV> want
to help others the answer to your question should be obvious.  WJV>
yourself this: If you were lying in the street critically injured,  WJV>
would you want taking care of you, someone with 40 hours of  WJV> (AFA),
or someone with triple that training (EMT).                 To anwser
your question quoted above : I would want                 who could help
me to provide me with aid. I certainly                 not ask them what
there training was before I allowed                 to assist me. Last I
checked, there is no difference in                 way a Red Cross
trained and an EMT trained person stops                 someone from
bleeding.                 Michael Seneco, EMT-A

I agree with you. What started the conversation  was a question about
training.  Prior to joining an ambulance group/service.  No idea what
state.  The training for basic first aid items, like a laceration, is
excellent in the AFA course.  But Federal requirements mandate Basic
Life Support Training for First Aid/Rescue Squads (and private ambulance
services also???).  You know the advancements in the amount of training
for an EMT-A.  For me, now NJ is getting together am EMT-D course.  Of
course the doctors, health care professionals, AND the Red Cross are all
helping formulate the EMT-D Course outline.  The Red Cross is still the
only organization where Joe/Jane Citizen can get a First Aid/First
Responder Training.  ARC shares the training with American Heart
Association for certifying all health care professionals in CRP. That
will probably never change.  The Federal Requirements for EMT training
is a little more than the ARC would want to handle. The requirements for
the course(s), IMHO, mandate a whole lot of red-tape and administrative
BS.

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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:06:00 CST
From:         "Wm. Bryant Faust, IV" <WFAUST@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Voulunteer fd and lig

> Out here in California, they are a little strange.  No lights on
> volunteer cars.  No blue lights on any emergency cars/trucks execpt for
> police cars.  Blue is a great color, it getts everybodys attention
> better that red or amber.

I don't find it that strange.  In  Louisiana "All persons other than
law enforcement officers on official duty are prohibited from
equipping, operating or using motor vehicles with blue colored electric
lights thereon."   All emergency vehicles are required to have  two
alternately flashing red lights visible for five hudred feet in normal
sunlight, or a large revolving red light in the center of the roof.
Police may use blue lights in lieu of the red.  Volunteer fireman
when authorized by their cheif may use red lights and siren, but
the siren is not required; however, you are required to use
both lights and siren to disregard any traffic control device or
traffic law. (police may use siren only)

Other state laws of interest:
Following an emergency vehicle closer than 500 feet or driving into
or parking in the block where an emergency vehicle has stopped in
answer to a call is prohibited.

Driving over an unprotected fire hose is prohibited.

Upon approach of an emergency vehicle using lights or siren, all
other vehicles must yield the right of way and move as close as possible
to the right side of the roadway and stop until the emergency vehicle
has passed.

Bryant
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From:         AIRBORNE THE FIREMAN IS BACK <CDUNBAR@UNTVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ambo Uniforms & Protocols

We (the Cypress Creek Volunteer Fire Department of Northwest Harris County,
Houston, Texas) use different classes of uniforms.

        Classs A  -  White shortsleeve shirt, black slacks, black shoes, badge,
                     ID, TSFFMA patch, departmental patch, certification
                     pathes, cap is optional (but usually not worn)

        Class B   -  Blue T-shirt (navy blue) with departmental emblem, blue
                     jeans, athletic or work shoes, cap (optional)
                OR
                     Navy blue golf or polo shirt (with collar and 2-3 bottons),
                        with departmental ensignia, blue jeans, athletic or work
                     shoes, cap (optional)

        Class C   -  Navy blue jumpsuit with short sleeves, TSFFMA patch,
                     department patch, certification patches, badge (removed
                     before responding to a call), ID (removed before
                     responding to a call), HCFFA patch (optional), cap
                     (optional)

Now, remember that this is a FD, so any removable items, like ID's, badges, or
caps, will be removed before a fire call.  Now we do have EMT's who will
respond with either class A or class C uniforms with ID and badge on.  It seems
that only the hicks (I am sometimes one of them =) wear caps in this dept.

Christophe
From: John.Linko@f26.n129.z1.fidonet.org (John Linko)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: EMERGnet
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:58:41 GMT

E*COM in Greensburg PA is the EMERGNET Mid-Atlantic Hub. They can be 
reached at 412-834-1128. JL


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From: Wayne.Ashworth@f308.n379.z1.fidonet.org (Wayne Ashworth)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Ambo Uniforms & Protocols
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:30:00 -0800

Was noting your message regarding uniforms and protocols.  Our
service is a fairly small one (fifty employees) in a suburban
North Carolina county.  About 110,000 population in the county.

Our uniforms are pretty typical of this part of the states,
white shirts and navy blue trousers.  We formerly used light
blue shirts, but got away from them for two reasons:  First, it
tied us to one shirt manufacturer since no two manufacturers'
shirts seemed to be the same shade of blue, and second,
firefighters in some communities hereabouts wear that type
shirt.  Policemen in almost all areas hereabouts wear navy
shirts and trousers, so not much problem with confusion there.

Of late, we have been experimenting with a more casual summer
type uniform, a cotton-blend pullover shirt, something like a
golf shirt with uniform trousers.  The paramedics feel it is
more comfortable to work in and cooler.  It is a compromise
thusfar as our service has gone to required lumbar support belts
when engaged in patient lifting, and they are more comfortable
when worn over lighter clothing.

You were also asking about protocols, procedures, and
parmacologies on disk.  All of ours are and I would be glad to
post you a copy although it may take until Christmas to arrive.
You might let me know what format you can handle.  Our
procedures are done in WordPerfect 5.1, but I can translate it
into generic ASCII if that is preferable.  Also, what type media
would be best for you.

Perhaps I can work a swap with you for your procedures, etc, if
you have such on disk.  In any event, would be interested in
knowing more of your service in NSW.  Talk with fellows in
Sydney fairly regularly on amateur radio which is another hobby
when I have the time.

Let me know on the disk and give me an address to post it to you.

Cheers,
Wayne Ashworth, SysOp, NC EMS BBS

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From: George.Vaisey@f237.n260.z1.fidonet.org (George Vaisey)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Dispatch - Software
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:34:00 -0800

Bruce,
        It uses a basic program. If you want to send me your address
I'll amil it out right away.  Also what state, county, and frequency
does that county work on??  Also Could I get some other county
frequncies for my d-Base of freq's. that I'm building.


                     George

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From: William.J..Vital@f430.n107.z1.fidonet.org (William J. Vital)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Drug testing
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:58:00 -0800

          Dwayne Rich sent

        I am the Asst. Chief of a small (30 member) all volunteer
department.  I was wondering if any other volunteer departments have
requirements for both physical fitness and drug testing and how each one
is implemented and enforced.

My town's VFD requires a physical fitness test (during the
pre-admittance investigation) but no durg/blood test(s).  The physical
fitness test was authored by the NJ State Fireman's Relief Association,
I'm pretty sure, and passed the legal points, so it wasn't biased. IMHO,
before the VFDs could do drug testing the PDs and town Council would
have to be able to pass the test. <G> If they required us to pass,
they'd have to pass also! (NO I'm not making ANY accusations)

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From: Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Hazard lights on emergenc
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:37:00 -0800

Marc...

11 Nov 92, Marc T. Kaufman writes to All:

 MTK> From: kaufman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman)
 MTK> Reply-To: kaufman@CS.Stanford.EDU

 MTK> Rick.Wilson@f2112.n327.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Wilson) writes:

 >> Normally, if an ambulance/police car/fire truck is coming at you
from
 >> behind, you're supposed to pull over to the side of the road and
let
 >> them pass.

 >> Here in N.E. Ct. it appears to be customary that if a person pulls
over
 >> to the side of the road, and there's another citizen behind them,
the
 >> one behind passes...they don't pull over and let the emergency
vehicle
 >> by.

 >> I've NEVER seen the stunts people here in New England pulled in the
 >> midwest...if they DID pull them in the midwest, they'd get nailed
BIG
 >> time.

 MTK> On the other hand, I have had motorcycles pass me over a
double-yellow
 MTK> line on a mountain road when I was driving an admitedly slow water
tender
 MTK> code 3 to an incident.

Well, when he splats onto an oncoming 18-wheeler, he won't be doing that
again!

 MTK> And then there are the folks who will run over a line of flares
and
 MTK> through the guy with the STOP sign to get past an incident...
(Never turn
 MTK> your back)

How about the people who run over fire hoses??  I

I haven't seen anyone run over flares.  That's a new one.  I'm sure the
local law enforcement folk would like to talk to him!

Rick

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From:         Alexander W Chen <laces@JHUNIX.HCF.JHU.EDU>
Subject:      NY Steam Explosion

Hello again, all.  A couple things:

First, I read in the NY Times not too long ago about a
FF in NYC who got hung up by his BA straps while performing
search & rescue following a steam pipe explosion, but I haven't
seen any follow-up on his condition.  Can anyone fill me
in with more specific details?

Second, there seems to be a bit of a problem with lines
overrunning and getting wrapped around, making it a pain
to read.  I'm not sure what the source of the problem
is, but let's try to keep it in mind.  Thanx.

Alex Chen, FF I/CRT
Balt. Co., MD
laces@jhunix.hcf.edu
From: Barbara.Mezzanini@f7.n2609.z1.fidonet.org (Barbara Mezzanini)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Foreign language trans.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:38:00 -0800

 AM> I am new to this echo and am not involved in fire fighting.  I
have

   Welcome.

 AM> created a program that acts as an ' electronic phrase book',
complete
 AM> with the foreign phrase being pronounced.  I believe that there
might
 AM> be applications in hospital and / or EMS work.  I am interrested
in

   I can see the possibilities. Are you speaking of a
   tutorial type program? One problem here, is we already
   have quite a bit to learn and keep up on.

 AM> to translate a specific phrase (such as: Are you injured? or Are
you
 AM> allergic to any medications ?) into ANY language.  The translated
 AM> phrase is then displayed on screen, in whatever script is
appropriate.
 AM> At the same time the phrase can be 'pronounced' by the computer so

   Another problem I can imagine; if we learn a few phrases,
   and ask a question, the patient may assume we understand
   their language. We may learn some phrases, but how would
   we understand what they are saying back?  In the field, it
   would seem inappropriate, IMHO. Maybe in the hospital
   setting however, where they have computers right at
   hand??? <maybe>. I can think of one field use, making up
   flash type cards with the program. It could explain that
   there is only a limited understanding of the language, ask
   a specific question, and in both languages... have a
   choice of replies. One problem here is, it'd be suggestive
   to the patient's symptoms, and we try to avoid that, but
   in an emergency... where you'd have no idea of the problem
   anyway, it'd be something.

   Just some friendly feedback as you asked <g>! I am not
   trying to criticize, only help if I can. Tell me more
   about the program.

   Barb 
... Make another pot of coffee...I'm gonna read mail.
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From: Barbara.Mezzanini@f7.n2609.z1.fidonet.org (Barbara Mezzanini)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: NFPA 1500 - minimu{2
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:54:00 -0800

 WW> Yea, not only that, but due to the increases in injuries, the
pointing
 WW> finger is starting to say that the guys are dogging it and not
 WW> "really" injured! PR up this way is rough! In an old labor dispute

   Exactly what they are saying regarding all our injuries!

 WW> that people should have been promoted months ago, were pictured in
the
 WW> local paper above the article entitled, "Raises, Promotions, same
 WW> jobs!"
 WW> The problem is that the wording in the contract that was in effect
at
 WW> the time that the promotions SHOULD have been made, was that XXX

 WW> manpower is severe. Now the press grabs all that and says the
nasty
 WW> things it does while ignoring the cuts in manning and reduction in
OT.
 WW> Statement makes us all look bad but it's the FAULT of the City.

   It always seems the press tries it's hardest to make us
   look bad, at least it's that way here. Our local paper
   will blow things WAY out of proportion, in the negative
   direction, and shrink up any positive PR we should\could
   get. Guess the bad news generates more $$$ than the good!

   Sorry you are going through it too Wes!

 WW> Relax, better to blow off a little steam here amongst people that
 WW> care, rather than break the sweat at a superior over the same
 WW> problems. Feel free to flame, we all know how to put

   Thanks Wes ;-)    I needed that!

   I also have all the  rule #s. Printed a hard copy to post
   <g>, names omitted to protect the innocent :)   How far
   are you from Quincy or Melrose?

   Take care...*Barb*
... A vacation at this point to the nearest sanatarium is welcome.
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From: Dave.Pfister@f702.n278.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Pfister)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: VOLUNTEERS
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 16:29:28 -0800

> Dave, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you.  In New
> Jersey, anyone can sign a traffic ticket alleging a violation of
> traffic laws! Of course proving it in court, if the violator pleads
> Not Guilty, is a different matter. I've been a volunteer
> firefighter for 20+ years and a Fire Police for 7 years. The NJSP
> Fire Police Instructors tell us, "just get a police officer, have
> him issue the ticket, you sign it, then you go to court." So you
> better have some proof, or you're wasting everyones time. Any
> citizen, in NJ, can do the same. Of course the Training Certificate
> from the NJSP Academy does help give credence to the ticket. Well,
> a little anyway.
>                                                          

William -

 If you noted in my original post, I said New York.  I know that states
vary 
on this.

-Dave

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From: John.Lester@f163.n129.z1.fidonet.org (John Lester)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: volunteers
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:42:47 -0800

=>Regina Detwiler said to John Lester during a Borg invasion on
11-18-92

 RD> He is with Bullskin Township VFD in Connellsville.  He has been
there
 RD> about two years now.  Hey, I see your in Mckees Rocks - are you
 RD> familiar with the Kephart Family? (Bud, Alice Mae, Todd and I know
they
 RD> have a daughter also) Just wandering. Have a good one!

 Sorry, I don't know them...


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From: James.Ackerman@f139.n138.z1.fidonet.org (James Ackerman)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: fire department monopoly
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:18:30 -0800

I am a five year paramedic working for Shepard LifeFleet in Tacoma, WA. 
I am also a strong Union advocate.  Due to the recent budget crisis
nation wide, we here in the Pacific Northwest are seeing the fire
department expand into areas of ALS and patient transport traditionally
help by my company, forcing people out of work.
 
What is most sad is the fire dept. is singing to the public of
unanswered 911 calls and babies burning if the public does not approve
their special levy.  What they are not telling them is that they will
have to wait for a fire department paramedic unit to come even though a
much closer and qualified private ambulance is closer, AND that they
will not only increase taxes, but charge you a TRANSPORT FEE on
top....usually more than a private carrier.  If it sounds like a
political nightmare, IT IS......
 
It would not be as bad if the private carrier was doing a bad job, but
we are not...LifeFleet is a well respected organization and we find we
can acutally do a better and CHEAPER job than the fire dept. 
 It seems they are trying to justify their existence by taking over 
EMS, regardless of the patient care or cost factors.
 
My question is this....I hear this is a nation wide trend....Are there
any other areas in which the fire dept. is trying to get into the
ambulance business OR are there any other areas where they are trying to
get OUT of the transport business?
 
REPLY to :
 
James Ackerman
TACOMA, Wa 

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From: joelp@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joel.peshkin)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Short, personal, annoying, space eating, time consuming messages
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:45:48 GMT
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In article <722009561.F00031@remote.halcyon.com> Joe.Nicholson@f123.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Nicholson) writes:
>And we're courteous enough to follow echo rules about posting full
>names.  We don't hide behind an alias.

What's an alias??  The address is the actual account name and the path
of machines to follow to get to that machine.  Frequently we supplement
that information with more "human readable" information about our identities,
but all you have to do is "reply" to the message and the reply will reach
the author.

If FIDONET insisted on using the address as the identifier, there would be
essentially no personal messages on this entire echo.

-Joel Peshkin
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