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From: thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Racial Beating
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:01:34 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.

In article <yuan1.714344376@husc10> yuan1@husc10.harvard.edu (Nina Yuan) writes:
>dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong) writes:
>>  How was Vincent Chen killed?
>

[recollection deleted]

>
>There's an excellent PBS documentary, "Who Killed Vincent Chin" which
>reruns occassionally.
>

i saw part of that.  they interviewed both sides.  i thought it particularly [word
omitted because i can't think of the proper word :-)] when vincent's killer asked
for some kind of lenience (or perhaps to even overlook the "mistake") because he had
served in the us army...of course, vincent's father had also served in the us army,
and yet vincent's death was not adequately avenged (for lack of a better word) by the justice
system.

damn...i'm just at a loss for words on this subject. 

[...]

>Of course, this isn't limited to Asians; remember the Arab-Americans who
>had a hard time during the height of Operation Desert Storm?
>

that was a particularly trying time, too.  at a party of some sort up
at the north texas state university (i believe), a football jock 
scuffled with a bangladesh student who "looked" iraqi...dumb jock
probably couldn't even tell the difference between a spoon and a fork.

george, i'm glad you and your long screwdrivers and bat are on our side.  :-)

laly thao


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From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:14:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Jim Pak wrote:
>..pencil-twirling; can not do even halve a revolution

I think its got to do with skill in Chopstick handling transferred to
skills in pencil-twirling.

Do you use chopsticks often?

.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: jlw@gestalt.austin.tx.us (James Waldrop)
Subject: re: friendships across cultural lines
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:24:28 GMT

srin@cs.utexas.edu (Srinivas Nedunuri) writes:
>Associating with a group of people that share a different culture is a trying
>experience, at least initially. You have to make an effort and most people feel
>the return on investment just isnt worth the hassle.

I think you're over-generalizing a bit here.  Personally, my best
friends are all from places like Canada, Sweden, South Africa, Israel,
Switzerland, France, Norway, and Taiwan.  I'm not saying that I think
my example is case for theorizing a trend, but I have known many other
people who are similar to me in this respect.

I didn't find it difficult to become friends with them, and the return
investment is the same as I get from the one WASP friend I have.

Btw, before anyone starts raging about 'White Boys' who get off on having
'exotic' women as friends, most of them are men.  The reason I am friends
with them is because they are more open-minded than most Americans, and
their viewpoints more closely match my own.

Sulam
-- 
James Waldrop
jlw@hebrew.cc.columbia.edu

I walk along the path muttering about signs and portents.
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Cut out this "ORIENTAL" stuff, just call me "Chink" (Was Re: ORIENTALS???????)
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:26:30 GMT
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <SHAW.92Aug14230334@whopper.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:

>Who?

>People like me, who cared about the difference and made a distinction
>between the two. 

The thing is that "oriental" is the term my mother generally uses to
describe who "we" are.

As a result of this I get less offended by people using the term
"oriental" than people who assert that I ought to be offended by the
term "oriental."

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu)
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:40:32 GMT

In article <BsusAG.67H@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>ITS ABOUT HELPLESSNESS! CHRIST! ARE YOU REALLY THAT OBTUSE!?

Remember ... you are writing to Dwight Joe. Are you so obtuse as to
think that he isn't?



-leon.
From: yeonwook@hardy.u.washington.edu (Mark Choi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian American speakers at the Repub Convention
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:44:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug19.071903.28926@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com (I'm a C-SPAN junkie :-) ) writes:
>On C-SPAN's coverage of the Republican convention last night (Tues), I saw
>two Asian American Republicans give short speeches.
>
>The first AA speaker was Matt Fong from the California State Board of
>Equalization.  He is also a former Air Force Lieutenant and pilot.
>
>The second AA speaker was Nao Takasugi, the mayor of Oxnard, CA.
>
>Both gave the usual "yay for us, boo for them" kind of speeches.  Neither
>was a great speaker IMO, but both were ok.  I guess it's not surprising that
>both are from California, given the strong AA presence there.
>
>I believe their presence was at least in part due to the Republican's willing-
>ness to show the "colors of the rainbow" at the convention.  There were also
>two Hispanic speakers, an African American speaker, and of course some women.
>(I didn't watch the whole thing, so there may have been more.)  However, as
>has been mentioned here before, Asian Americans are as likely to be Republican
>as Democrat.
>
>Regardless of ideology, It was nice to see their faces and voices on the tube.
>
>Jim
>
>p.s. Ob. media bias comment:  According to ABC last night, on the eve of the
>     convention, Governor Clinton was leading Pres. Bush 57% to 37%.  If I
>     catch the figures after Thursday night, I'll post them.


I believe Jay C. Kim gave the first speech at the convention. He is the
mayor of Diamond Bar, California running for the House.
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From: exudms@exu.ericsson.se (New Dave)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: test
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:58:08 GMT
Reply-To: exudms@exu.ericsson.se
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Caucasian Clarification
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:43:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.202811.4800@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>Mr. Hira, you will have a lot of trouble trying to explain this to
>Chinese-cu idiots.  They think that the Chinese-ge alone constitute
Hmm, do YOU consider me Chinese-cu? I think you said you did once.
I have no difficulty believing Mr.Hira's assertions, SO by example
your statement is in correct about Chinese-cu.  If you had quantitified
your statement, then I wouldnt have disputed.  However I rather believe
that race base catagorization is not valid anyways.

>a race; in other words, there are 4 races, according to Chinese-cu idiots:
>Negroid, Caucasoid, Non-Chinese-ge Mongoloid, and Chinese-ge.
Hmm, sounds like the catagorization, many Japanese use.
Except replace Chinese with Japanese.

>Interestingly enough, the Korean-cu national with whom I had lunch also
>thinks that the Koreans-ge are a race too.  But that's another thread...
Hmm, maybe if you havent gotten the clue yet, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE
SOME PEOPLE in any (all?) ethnic group who thinks that THEIR ethnic group
is a race of their own.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.motss
From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
Subject: Re: AM/CM - Gay Colonialism?
Organization: Quake Public Access
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:48:44 GMT

In article <64177@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

Regarding Asian/Caucasian relationahips, Mr. Hu asks:

>Should this brand of inter-racial partnership be banned because it is
>a form of sexual colonialism, or encourged since there should be no
>bars on any brand of fetishishism between consenting adults?

Isn't it interesting that the only two options you are allowing is that
such behavior either be "banned" (how?) or "encouraged".  It sounds like
the old totalitarian idea that "that which is not forbidden is required".

Seriously, can you find nothing more important to worry about than the 
race of other people's dates?  What makes you think it's any of
YOUR business?  What makes you think it is in any way important?  Are 
you of the opinion that the only reason anyone would want to date someone
of another race is fetishism?  You seem to be afflicted by certain
racist ideas.  What do you think?

--Brian
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Cut out this "ORIENTAL" stuff, just call me "Chink" (Was Re: ORIENTALS???????)
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:29:34 GMT
Organization: UT Astronomy

In article <SHAW.92Aug12213647@whopper.lcs.mit.edu>, shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:

> It is clear that the difference between "Asian" and "Oriental" is a
> struggle to have the power to name ourselves, on our terms, with our
> connotations.

Who is this "we"?  It certainly doesn't include me.  I have no objection
to the term "oriental."

> In the long run, all the names that are used to
> define us on their terms will be gone, and they will have to address us on
> our terms.

Again, who is this "we"?
From: lchsu@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Leon Hsu)
Subject: Re: Why do all people whine? (was Re: Why do minority groups whine?)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:43:15 GMT

In article <Bswpq5.GF6@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.203221.15440@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com (Ugly American) writes:
>>[Ugly American joke directed to Leon coming up; you are forewarned]
>>
>>BTW, I think it's time we closed the border on the north end as well.  :-)
>HA! WE DONT WANT YA UP HERE ANYWAYS! :)
>

Goddamn!! I must have missed the joke, when I decided to kill most of this
thread earlier.

Tangmeister is right though, we don't want you up here, just your money! :)

-leon.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: fellow@natinst.com (Osbert Tan)
Subject: Racial Beating
Organization: National Instruments, Austin, TX
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:37:33 GMT


Racial Beating

Copyright, 1992. The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

   CORAL SPRINGS, Fla. (AP) -- Five men were being held without bond Tuesday in
the fatal beating of a Vietnamese college student who was chased down like "an
injured deer" after he objected to a racial slur, police said.
   Luyen Phan Nguyen, 19, a pre-med student at the University of Miami, died
Monday of head wounds suffered when he was chased and beaten outside a party
Saturday night.
   "It started off with some young guy wanting to be a tough guy, and everybody
just got involved," said Detective Jim Milford. "They chased him down like a
hunter chases down an injured deer. It was like a mob scene."
   Someone at the party started making racial slurs, said Sgt. Jeffrey Maslan.
Nguyen said something and the dispute escalated, Maslan said.
   "He was defending his honor," he said.
   Nguyen never emerged from a coma, officials at Broward General Medical Center
said.
   Nguyen's family left Vietnam in 1980 and settled in Coral Springs six years
ago. He had hoped to become a doctor like his father.
   About five percent of Coral Springs' 81,000 residents are Asians, Maslan
said.
   Christopher Anderson, Terry Jamerson, Warren Mills, Michael Primato and John
Liptak were all charged with second-degree murder Monday and were being held
without bond at the Broward County Jail. Jamerson is 20 years old, and the
others are 18.
   Police said they anticipated additional arrests. "We feel the five are the
key players, but there were others that got in a punch," Maslan said.
   Mayor Jeanne Mills criticized those at the party who apparently did not step
in to stop the beating. "That inhumanity is about as upsetting as the beating
itself," Mills said.



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From: bgt@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (barbara.tongue)
Subject: Re: ORIENTALS???????
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:21:31 GMT

>In article <25446@dog.ee.lbl.gov> jscott@Aztecridge.LosGatos (John Scott) 
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

a vaguely forged address methinks...

>writes:
->Whenever I call an oriental "oriental", I always get told to say Asian
->instead.  I just don't understand what the big deal is with you
->orientals!!!  

jesus christ (and he had nothing to do with this).  johnnie-boy, with
that kinda attitude, it's no wonder you don't understand...

->hope someone on this newsgroup could give me a reasonable explanation. 
->Otherwise, I see nothing wrong with calling Korean, Chinese, and Japanese
->people "oriental."

that might be your perception.  great, it's your right.  however, it's
not everyone else's perception, and common courtesy would demand that you
refer to people as they desire.  makes no difference if you agree or disagree
with the appelation - treat folks with the same respect you would want 
yourself.
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From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 23 Aug 92 04:10:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee) writes:
|>I think Mr Joe, being such a prolific and intelligent writer, can understand
|>that the language he is using serves only to irritate and infume readers.  It
|>only succeeds in giving readers a negative bias to what he writes, and 
|>distracts all netters from his main points.  Of course I do not rule out the
|>possiblity that he main purpose is to irritate and infume readers, rather than
|>carrying on a purposeful discussion.

That peason's only purpose is to convince others(so himself) that he is 
NOT Chinese but American, that reflects his fear of being turned away by
main stream Ameican society, he can not express his anger to the
majority American (Whites) because he is so eager to be accepted by
them, so he turned his anger to those people very closely related to
himself, this is a form of self blaming in my understanging, (I am NOT 
a phychology student but physics, this view might seems naive to those experts). 
Behind his offensive attitude (this make him feel tough, like a
hero, actually he is fighting with something he doesn't know conciously),  
his weakness is apparent.

He also repeatedly states that Asian women's outmarriage is because of
Chinse culture, maybe he has touble to get a date. 

In his uncounsious mind, he is saying:
 I am not good-->I am good, but the enviroment is not good(parents are
Chinese cultured), I overcome all the problems. (How great I am).
 This is kind of self defense.
 People don't accept me, I am different from them --> I am not differnt
from them, those Chinse people think I am (Chinses) different from them. 
 This is another form of self defense.
 I am not good--> I am good, my link with Chinese is not good. 

The peason's post itself is totally illogic and makes no sense at all, 
if you don't have enough knowege on phychonogy, you will never find 
any point in his post.

His post generally gets no respose at all in soc.culture.china (you can
test this if you don't believe it), we feel so sorry for this poor guy. 
I guess most netters on soc.culture.china think him as being psychopathic. 

Strange to see so many people fight with him in this newsgroup.

Ze Yang
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Economics and Discrimination
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:25:49 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

wung@eecom.gatech.edu writes:
|What is quality?  How can it be measured?  Can it be measured?

That was part of the point.  Where quality matters and is easily
measured, racial discrimination is less likely.  Where it matters
little and is hard to measure, racial discrimination is more likely.

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From: garyh@sco.COM (< Gary H >)
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:32:37 GMT


In article <1992Aug13.010803.20829@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
!In article <1992Aug12.225017.16704@oakhill.sps.mot.com>
!jpak@manute.sps.mot.com writes:
!>[peculiarities deleted]
!>p.s. Your words above prove my point exactly about people of all colors
!>     "whining."
!
!But some dorks whine for the sake of whining.  Those dorks should
!accept life for what it is; life is _not_ fair.  Whining is pointless.
!
!>p.p.s. What do you have against Laly anyway?  He always comes off reasonable
!>       to me.
!
!By the way, Laly is a lady.  So, Mr. Pak's last sentence should read
!"She always comes off reasonable to me."

Dwight,

Not only did you get my last name wrong, you can't even get Laly's sex right!
I'm not a "HO" (maybe you are 8-0 ), and Laly's not a "she" (but maybe you are).

Gary

ps.  I'm surprised you didn't put down chinese culture in this post.  In fact,
     you didn't even mention chinese anything here..  You deserve a standing
     ovation!
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From: dww@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Grand master tong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Racial Beating
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:57:59 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi,

  How was Vincent Chen killed?

Thanks

Denny.Michael
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: xi@intacc.uucp (Tony Fong)
Subject: Re:  classified
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:50:31 GMT
Organization: Matrix Artists' Network


>
>Very excellent sentiments to be sure.  However, you must have also lived a
>deprived life for not having attended a Cal ethnic re-ed,er, education class.
>I'm so sorry.
>//Twinkie Chinkie
>
>ps-don't forget to add a healthy dose of sarcasm to the above.
>aka
>-- 
>//Lui Sieh
>Dum loquimur, fugerit invida Aetas: carpe diem, quam minimum postero.  
>Horace, Odes, I.xi.7;	<-- "Why post to USENET?" -Brian O.  Indeed.
>What about my opinions? ==>> /dev/null	or  sieh@midway.uchicago.edu
Hmm..  Maybe being up north has deprived me of many things.  You actualy have
something like ethnic courses?  I'll go bug some local prof to do so.  Who
knows we may end up like Cal (ha..Not! [ok so thats old...])
 
Tony Fong  xi@intacc.uucp  Toronto
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Why do minority groups whine?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 03:10:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.215051.23178@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>Yeah.  The atmosphere was polluted by the "smell" of "eggrolls".
>Racist, prejudiced, bigotted, stinky eggrolls.
Haha! So are Eggrolls sentient beings capable of racism and prejudice?
Besides, EGGROLLS ARE JUST CHEAP IMITATIONS OF THE *TRULY EVIL* SPRINGROLLS!

>Was it "Doan Nguyen"?
Although "Nguyen" is a very common vietnamese surname.
I believe her name was "Hahn Doan" <- or something close to that.
From: ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arun K. Gupta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Crossing the cultural barrier
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:11:15 GMT
Organization: Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Question: I grew up in a culture very conservative about sexual matters.
I am quite happy with what I am. But I don't have any analogs from my
culture to guide me in treating the variety of relationships that I meet here
in America.

There is no analogue in my Indian experience of unmarried people living
together, frequent change of sexual partners, divorces etc.  So, I'm not
quite sure how to treat these things. For example, if I was friendly with
a couple that later broke up, do I invite only one or the other at a time ?
and so on. ( I won't elaborate, use your imagination.) 

A general set of "guide-lines" on etiquette in such matters would be most
helpful.

-arun gupta
ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, clueless old white boy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Perceptions, Realities, Perceptions
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:08:54 GMT
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, clueless old white boy)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <SHAW.92Aug13001642@whopper.lcs.mit.edu> shaw@whopper.lcs.mit.edu (Andy Shaw) writes:
>Absolutely correct.  But as you know and stated, almost _all_ of the ruling
>elite is white, and entering that elite is practically impossible for a
>member of a minority group.
It's about as impossible for me as you, despite any racial issues.
Now, yes, before you faint with rage, your race makes it harder,
I do agree with that, BUT it's no more possible for me than you.
I'm not born into it, and I'll never be part of it. Not now,
not ever.  In a very real sense, I'm no more white than you are.

>or the the point where we
>delude ourselves into believing that the majority will look after our
>interests if only we trust them (Lui Sieh).
Um, Lui can defend himself just fine, but I must note I've
never heard him argue for "trust". 

Unless I've missed a whole series, he argues for co-operation,
not for "trust".  If I've got this wrong, I'm sure he'll
tell me.

It's interesting, Andy, reading your article.  You are clearly
a separatist, just like DeClerk, Malcolm X, and so on.  
Doesn't history give you a clue here?
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