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From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Subject: Weiner reverts to childhood
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:07:53 GMT

In <92333@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:

>Get lost.
>Look brainless one
>If you don't like it, don't practice it, Chipmunk.

Unfortunately some children only understand this kind 
of namecalling so thinking people have to waste their
time with it.




--
Eli Chiprout
Dept. of Electronics
Carleton University	
emc@doe.carleton.ca
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Luther references
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:55:53 GMT
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University


	Recently in personal correspondence, while
trying to explain why Jews tend to be sensitive about
prostyletizing, I paraphrased some things I had read about Martin Luther
and his feelings about Jews.

	I mentioned how Martin claimed to love Jews and felt the
only reason we hadn't accepted Jesus and Chrisitianity was the 
Bible was in Latin. He was sure that as soon as he was done with
his translation into German, we'd "see the light".

	When he was finished and the Jews said "That's nice, we
still don't believe", Martin suggested (to the best of my recollections)
that Synagogues be burned and Jews driven from their villages.

	I last read this stuff in high school and have no
references or quotes. Could someone please help?

	Thanks.

---
memco@wotan.cns.nyu.edu
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: MAHARAM (5)109 POGROM HALITSZ
Date: 8 Oct 92 10:54:33 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

Someone whose name I forgot asked me and all the readers to help him
finding sources about christians  masacaring Jews  about the Jewish
year (5) 109 ~    ( 1992 + 5109 - 5792 ).

In the MACHZOE RABA p. 95 there is a citation from the book Sh L " H
( shney lukhot habrit) who cited the book EMEK HAMEKECH :

  "At the year KT (5112)  two years after the GEZEROT (pogroms) ... "

It is clear from that source that the christians ends their systematic
mass murdering Jews on the year 110,  and on 112 they returned already
to their regular activity, and just murdered here and there some
Jewish congregations.

If you happend to know who is the 1 interesting in that please forward
it to him, thanks.
Shalom   gmar tov       gideon
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Interracial Marriages (was Inter*RACIAL* or Inter*FAITH*)
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:15:31 GMT

In <199210131519.AA27759@das.wang.com> MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:

    On the other hand I remember  reading that once a
    pretty  "Orthodox"  man married  an  African  lady  who no  doubt  had
    converted in  the most  "Orthodox" way,  but still  the sister  of the
    groom, by name of Miriam, seemed to have some problems with it. :-)

However the same story includes the minor point that the sister was
strongly criticized for this by Someone who opposes racism (as well as
slander, which might be what the problem there really was).
-- 
/|/-\/-\       The entire kitchen		Jerusalem
 |__/__/_/     is a very strange carrot.
 |warren@      But the hiker
/ nysernet.org is not all that concerned.
From: sethr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (seth.r.rosenthal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: * jesus ? *
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:47:08 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Oct8.143145.5216@midway.uchicago.edu>, pab1@quads.uchicago.edu (paul andrew braier) writes:
> > emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout) writes:
> >
> > But many Jews DID see enough in Jesus to proclaim him
> > Messiah in the first century.
> >
> 
> This is not quite true. In fact, very few Jews accepted him as moshiach.
> This is why Paul of Tarsus and his cohorts changed the basic tenets and
> started proseletyzing among the gentiles; they just couldn't get a
> respectable number of adherents from the Jews.
> 

And as we know he preached in synagogues in what is now Turkey
and Greece and was thrown out by the Jews in both of them.
You can find a reference to that in the New Testament, I believe.

		Seth Rosenthal

Disclaimer: All opinions are my own and not my employers'.
From: jmarkus@electrical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Hebrew Computing!
Date: 9 Oct 1992 13:21:56 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Hi!

I was wondering if anyone could tell me where to find (ie FTP) a program which
would allow me to do any or all of the following:

1.      Display hebrew ASCII text on a VGA monitor
2.      Edit and type hebrew text on a i386
3.      Print hebrew text on a dot matrix printer.

As I do not recieve news at my account here, could you please EMAIL me the
responses.

Thank you very much!
--
                        Jeff Markus
                        jmarkus@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
        
        "I can't think of anything cute or poignant to put here!"
From: naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The name Yeishu (was Re: * Jesus *)
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:40:03 +0200
Keywords: Jesus
Organization: University of Cape Town

 
> (Hillel Markowitz ):
> This is incorrect.  The original spelling in the talmud (that the
> Xians censored out) is Yud shin Vav.  It should be pointed out that
> this term was used as a generic term as the references appear to be
> about different people.  An example is the use of "Acher" for Rabbi
> Elisha ben Avuya who became an apostate.  The apostate used the Alainu
> to cause trouble with the gematriah because this was known.  The
> King James and early English translations of jesu or jeshu and the Greek
> used jesus because the j was there equivalent in a name for the Yud
> and masculine names ended with "s".

The claim that Yeishu is derived from the acronym Yud Shin Vav is not tenable.
I am not sure who invented the acronym expansion of Yeishu. It is probably a
pun with a bit of folk etymology mixed in (like the false derivation of "news"
from North, East, West, South). The Yeishu in the Talmud is clearly intended
to be one person and Yeishu is certainly an ordinary name. It is still used as
a Hebrew name for Jewish children today. It is a shortened from of Yeishua
(meaning "salvation") which despite the suspicious conotations is indeed a
real name. There is one passage in the Talmud in which the full form Yeishua
is used for Yeishu ha-Notzri.
 
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* Baby Doc Naturman                                                         *
* USS Enterprise                           "It's life Jim,                  *
* Final Frontier                                  but not as we know it."   *
* naturman@uctvax.uct.ac.za                                                 *
*                                                       Spock of Vulcan     *
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From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The I-can't-believe-they-got-a-hescher-on-this thread
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:11:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Oct8.181138.12717
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio

In article <92121@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.025759.17993@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ask@cbnews (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>>Is eating a communion wafer cannibalism?   Until a few months ago, 
>>the Sisters of Carmel Community of Columbus operated a wafer bakery
>>less than 2000 feet from my front door.  [...]  If they were certified
>>kosher, I'd have no problem eating them.
>
>Will you be eating Entenmann's Christmas cookies two months from now?

Depends.  Are they any good?

In a world where you can find a UO on:

  - Shrimp Sauce (with pictures of shrimp on the bottle)
  - bottled "seafood"   (may not be UO but another well-known hechsher)
  - Pareve Ice Cream
  - "bacon bits"
  - "Beef fry"  -- made up to try to duplicate the look and feel of
                   bacon
  - "ditto" for sausage


and -- these things sell -- if they didn't sell, they wouldn't pay
for a UO and be placed on the market.

So in such a world, why should anyone be surprised at kosher
anything?  And if it has a UO on it, why mock someone who buys it.

Note: I never said the OU was asked to give a hechsher -- just that
if they did, what's wrong with it?
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: matthew@stats.mu.oz.au (Maciek Blasikiewicz)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 04:38:25 GMT

roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:

>Some things remained closed to them, e.g., the officers' corps;

There were jewish generals among Pilsudski's cronies in the polish
army.

>i.e., lack of access to institutions related to Christianity and the like.

If you don't want to engage in stamp-collecting, why complain about
not belonging to a stamp-collecting club?

>Assimilation doesn't mean
>"having the culture of the majority imposed [on the minority]."

Agreed. This is forced assimilation.

>It means
>the *choice* to live under different cultural conditions.

This is multiculturalism. To assimilate means (in this context) to
become like the majority in respect of culture etc.


MB
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Bradley Somer <somer@aecom.yu.edu>
Subject: Re: Heroes in the Hebrew Bible
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Bradley Somer <somer@aecom.yu.edu>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:08:31 GMT



On Wed, 14 Oct 1992, Claire Bacher wrote:

> The heroes and heroines of the Hebrew Bible (eg., Abraham, Moses, Samuel,
> David, Ruth, Deborah) although noble in various ways, are also flawed.
> What does this suggest about the moral values of the Hebrews and their
> concept of heroes ?
> 

It tells us that they are human, not angelic.  This helps us to be aware
that we can achieve goals and possibly reach heights of similar intensity
for given our own individual potential.  It shows that Judaism is
realistic in "choosing" its heroes.
  On the other side of the coin, what can we say for societies heroes such
as Magic Johnson, Madonna, Bart Simpson and Al Bundy etc. What does this
suggest about the moral values of secular society and their concepts of
heroes?
From: aaronm@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (aaron meyerowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Israeli stocks on the NYSE
Date: 14 Oct 92 06:25:04 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:

> In article <1992Oct11.192814.4578@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@silver.egr.msu
> >
> >Can anyone post a list of the Israeli companies who trade stock
> >on the New York Stock Exchange?
> >
> >I cannot afford to invest heavily in the Israeli economy, but I have
> >a few $ to put into investment.  
> 
> Then you might want to buy shares in the Israel Fund - a closed end
> mutual fund just now coming to market.  Your broker can get you more
> information.  (This is not a financial recommendation for or against
> shares of the fund.)
> -- 
> Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus

In addition you might want to check out AMPAL on the american exchange.
|oK%S.KC        \,z_-|
this venerable company (the name comes from american palestine ....)
invests in a variety of ventures in Israel. I've had my shares since I 
was born so I can't tell you how it rates as an investment etc.
__
Aaron Meyerowitz meyerowi@acc.fau.edu
19
\s
\s

\q
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: miriah@loro-next.Stanford.EDU (Claire Bacher)
Subject: Heroes in the Hebrew Bible
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 21:21:36 GMT

The heroes and heroines of the Hebrew Bible (eg., Abraham, Moses, Samuel,  
David, Ruth, Deborah) although noble in various ways, are also flawed.   
What does this suggest about the moral values of the Hebrews and their  
concept of heroes ?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: rmt51@cas.org (Rick Turkel)
Subject: E-mail access from Jerusalem
Reply-To: rmt51@cas.org
Organization: S.W.I.G.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:14:23 GMT

My daughter is learning in Har Nof, and I'm looking for someone in the
neighborhood who'd be willing to provide her occasional e-mail access so
we'd be able to stay in touch more inexpensively than weekly phone calls.
Please e-mail me if you're able to do this.  Toda raba.  Gmar tov veshabbat
shalom.
-- 
Rick Turkel           (___  ____ _  _  _  _  _     _  ___   _  _ _  ___
(rmt51@cas.org)           )    |  |  \  )  |/ \     |    |   |  \_)    |
(rmt51@cas.bitnet)       /     | _| __)/   | __)    | ___|_  | _( \    |
			Ein navi be`iro.            |

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: *Jesus of Nazareth*
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:46:20 GMT

In article <4269@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
writes:

>NOTE: It is interesting that christians selected that cruel murdering
>      instrument - the cross - to be their symbol, and they even
>      worship that bizaare instrument.

It's a good thing he was crucified rather than, say, stoned.  It's much
easier on Christians today to make a sign of a cross than to hit their
heads with their fists to imitate stoning.

JOKE, folks.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Intermarriage
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:41:21 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)

In article <1992Oct8.124259.19474@umbc3.umbc.edu>, shimoff@umbc4 (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
>Just to clarify a central (but not explicit) point about the Jewish
>view of intermarriage.  Orthodox traditions -- and, to the best of
>my knowledge, Reform, Conservative, and Reconstructionist traditions --
>are NOT opposed to interracial or intercultural marriage.

While this is true, there used to be a long history of a pecking order
among American immigrant Jews and their children.  It had Yeckies (aka
Germans) at the top, and Litvaks somewhere near the bottom, but I never
did learn the particulars.  Marrying down the pecking order was treated
as a catastrophe in many families.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: alex@opal.idbsu.edu (Alex Feldman)
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Question
Organization: Boise State University Math Dept.
	<1992Oct9.193104.16814@cbnews.cb.att.com>
	<Bvx61v.CKL@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:52:09

>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:58:43 GMT, aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) said:

A.J.S.> In article <1992Oct9.193104.16814@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:

A.J.S.> Quoting somebody else:

>>I don't know the exact origin, but the wearing of shoes with ANY leather at
>>all is prohibited (at least in halachic circles!)

A.J.S.> I believe that leather ornamentation (stripes on running shoes, for example)
A.J.S.> over cloth construction is permissible.

>  - Then there's the color.  Many people wear white shoes -- some
>    people even wear shoes that have leather in them!  So far as
>    I can tell, white shoes is minhag.  White shoes with leather is
>    self-defeating.

A.J.S.> I believe that this minhag dates from the days when sneakers were all
A.J.S.> white.

A.J.S.> I cannot believe that anyone would say that those great tai chi shoes from
A.J.S.> Chinatown might be inferior just because they're black.

No, they're inferior because it's painful to spend all day on your feet
in them.  I did, this year.  I hope not next year

A.J.S.> Aryk 
--
	--alex			alex@math.idbsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)
Subject: Rabbinic Literature: An Overview
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:47:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.235305.18787@techbook.com> bferguso@techbook.com (Robert Ferguson) writes:
>Can anyone help me with some questions I have about Rabbinical Literature?
>I read a few encyclopedia articles and want to make sure I have a clear
>understanding of what the differences in the literature are. I would also
>like to know what editions are currently in print.

An excellent source that catalogues the entire corpus of Rabbinic Literature with
great graphics that shows the relationships of the halakhot of the Tannaim to the
Mishna of Rav Yehuda ha-Nassi, the Tur to the Shuchan Aruch, the various Seferim
Mitvot to the Sefer Mitvot and Mishna Torah, the yeshivot of Bavel and Spherad and
their Roshim, etc:

"Torah: The Oral Tradition
 An Outline of Rabbinic Literature Throughout the Ages"

 Noah Aminoah & Yosef Nitzan (translated from their Hebrew original)

 WZO, Department for Torah Eduction and Culture in the Diaspora

 $20

-- Chris Metcalfe


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: terra@athena.mit.edu (Terra Incognita)
Subject: Re: sexism
Organization: MIT - DMSE and Bait
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:12:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.171711.691674@locus.com> hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.131650.22385@athena.mit.edu> terra@athena.mit.edu (Terra Incognita) writes:
>> ...
>>I say this because the role to which Judaism relegates women is pretty
>>much the same as the role women have been given in almost every social/
>>ethnic group since the dawn of Western civilization, that of
>>housekeeper/childbearer/caregiver.  My take on all of this is that
>> ...
>
>Please forgive me for saying so, but I find this statement highly
>demeaning and insulting. What greater function can there be in life
>then to raise the next generation of Jewish children to serve G-d?
>
>People dedicate their lives to build better machines - and that's
>understandable and acceptable to us. But when they dedicate their lives
>to build better human beings, that is unacceptable, mundane and
>trivial???
>
I'm sorry if you misunderstood -- it was not my intention to put down
women's traditional role in society.  Some women are very happy in this
role and thrive in it, and I say, more power to them.  However, some
women are not (my own mother, for example.)  The only problem I have
is with the notion that the traditional role is the only appropriate
role for women in society, or that women are biologically destined for
this role.  I think human beings are more complex than this.  Some
women don't want to dedicate 1/4 or so of their lives solely to taking
care of the family, and there are some men out there who do.  When a
person is stuffed into a role to which he/she is not suited, it's often
not just that individual who suffers for it.

In any case, perhaps I didn't elaborate my main point well enough,
but it was that the role given to Jewish women is in many ways not
very different from the role of women in other traditions -- since
women are relegated to this role and restricted in their range of
religious expression, they have fewer ways in which to feel and
behave uniquely Jewish.  Not that there's anything inherently *wrong*
with that traditional role, but it seems to be widely used as an
excuse to exclude women from full participation in religious life.

>Does this not sound like a warped sense of values?
>
While there's much about my life that *is* warped, I'm not too worried
about my sense of values at this point...

>Sincerely,
>Hayim Hendeles


--
Terra Incognita                             terra@athena.mit.edu
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA    USA
"Work. Worry. Consume. Die. It's a wonderful life." (Lippy)
From: emc@doe.carleton.ca (Eli Chiprout)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: * Jesus Christ? *
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:16:58 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University

In <92284.1407302893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> corrigible <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

>Well, for one thing, the biblical messiah was supposed to liberate Palestine
>for the Jewish people, be a military or political leader.

Well, another thing, the biblical messiah was not supposed to call
Eretz Israel, "Palestine".
--
Eli Chiprout
Dept. of Electronics
Carleton University	
emc@doe.carleton.ca	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: lbs@tkmhp4.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Lech Borkowski)
Subject: Nazis
Reply-To: lbs@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:07:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.154151.10547@cs.brown.edu> dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:
>aleks@cray.com (Aleksander Mazur) writes:

>#Did you cry or were you
>#at least embarassed with so popular "Polish death camps"? 
>
>I definitly think "Nazi death camps in Poland" or something similar
>should be used. When I was debating with neo-Nazi Holocaust
>deniers on the net, I took care to make it clear that the camps
>were erected and run by the Nazis.

 Who came from Germany, nowhere else. It must be made clear.

>-Danny Keren.

 Lech Borkowski
From: lev@cs.umd.edu (Lev Novik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Conservative synagogues in Israel.
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:26:48 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In connection with such a heated discussion of the role of females in Judaism,
I have a couple of questions which are probably FAQ. 
1) Are there synagogues in Israel with the services resembling those in the
conservative synagogues in the USA? (Including mixed seating, for instance)

2) If yes, is there any way to find out whether they exist in a particular
town, and possibly get some sort of coordinates? (I am particularly interested 
in Afula).

I am going to spend some time in Israel this winter, and would realy like to be
able to participate in the services without embarassing myself :-)

	Lev Novik
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: the advantage of reading the bible
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:01:52 GMT
Keywords: joke



Abie noticed that his friend Morris seemed depressed and asked what was
wrong. Morris said: "everything is a mess.  My business is failing, my
life is a mess, my ulcer is acting up. Life stinks."

Abie said: "Morris, this is what you should do.  Take a Chumash with
you to work and when things seem bad, open it up at random, stick your
finger in the book and do whatever it says on that page."

Morris had nothing better to do so he said he'd take his friend's
advice.

A few weeks went by and Abie hadn't heard from Morris.  One day he
see's Morris on the street and Morris looks _wonderful_.  "Morris! I
was worried about you," said Abie. "What happened? You look great."

"I took your advice!" said Morris.  "I brought a Chumash with me to
work the next day and when things looked really bad I opened it at
random and stuck my finger in the book.  Wouldn't you know it? The
solution was right there in front of me and I did exactly what it
said."

"And what was that?" asked Abie?

"It said `Chapter 11'."
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish