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From: srm@Unify.Com (Steve Maraglia)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: How much for Sys Admin Consulting??
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:10:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: Unify.wlgj0e5
Distribution: usa
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA, USA


I would like to know what the going hourly rate is for Unix System
Administration consultants?  An approximate range would be fine.

I'm a System Administrator and I'll soon be leaving my current employer.
I've offered to provide SA services via dial-in & on-site evenings and 
weekends (on a as needed bases) until they can hire a replacement and they
come up to speed.

The type of work would include general purpose admin on a network of
65 Sun's and some other various unix systems, maybe install a new Sun
670MP server and maybe some 10BaseT networking changes (installing new hubs 
& setting up a subnet).


Please send email to srm@unify.com



Thanks in advance!


Steve Maraglia - System Administrator	   internet: srm@unify.com
Unify Corporation			   ..!{uunet,csusac,pyramid}!unify!srm
3901 Lennane Dr.    Sacramento, CA 95834   (916) 928-6271
-- 
Steve Maraglia - System Administrator	   internet: srm@unify.com
Unify Corporation			   ..!{uunet,csusac,pyramid}!unify!srm
3901 Lennane Dr.    Sacramento, CA 95834   (916) 928-6271
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 18:45:33 GMT
Organization: Computer Nerd (is that redundant?), WINCO, INEL, Idaho
Subject: Flames in misc.jobs.offered
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Computer Nerd (is that redundant?), WINCO, INEL, Idaho
Keywords: 

ray@hpcndsst.CND.HP.COM (~Raymond Caruso) writes in misc.jobs.offered
(quoting someone else):

>>        I am really sorry I posted the resume in the wrong group and I
>>apologized. Now I also apologize for writing BERKLY instead of BERKELEY.
>>It's been a long day today and yesterday and I hope you'll understand me.
>>        Please, don't give me hard time anymore-- I recognize my mistake.
>>I will make sure that I am more careful next time.
>
>Wow, what kind of geeks flamed all over this guy so bad that he is acking 
>like a beaten dog. Lighten up, will ya!

I've often wondered what sort of mail a person gets who posts a resume
to misc.jobs.offered.  It must be potent stuff, because a contrite
apology usually follows the resume rather quickly.

What sort of things to people say to these errant posters?  (I could
always set up a false account and post a fake resume, but asking seems a
nicer way to satisfy my curiousity. ;^) )

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  Driggs, Idaho -- cultural hub of the west!
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \  (Tom Harper in rec.skiing)
From: lestak@spot.Colorado.EDU (LESTAK LEANNE R)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Mac Programmer/FORTRAN/Unix Job, CO
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:41:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.1992Apr8.174151.22579
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

PROGRAMMER (Professional Research Assistant) to develop 
Macintosh 4th Dimension database, maintain, update, and run 
FORTRAN programs, and manage small Macintosh network for 
ecology laboratory.  Knowledge of Macintosh, UNIX, FORTRAN, 
and relational databases essential.  Experience with UNIX systems 
administration, geographic information systems, particularly 
ARC/INFO, and remote sensing a plus.  Must be flexible and 
interested in working in multi-system environment with non-expert 
users.  Minimum requirement BA in computer science or related 
field, or MA in ecology, geology, or geography with appropriate 
experience.  $25-28,000/year + benefits package.  Send resume, 
including names and addresses of three references, to Marilyn 
Walker, INSTAAR, Campus Box 450, Boulder, CO, 80309-0450, 
or mwalker@taimyr.colorado.edu.  Closing date for applications 
4/21/92.
From: timf@buster.wr.tek.com (Tim Farley)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Placement Service Recommendation
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:15:26 GMT
Reply-To: timf@buster.wr.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.


During the past month, I have worked with Ms. Sonal Shah
of Northwest Software, Inc. and would like to recommend
her and her company to those of you considering working
with a professional placement agency. She demonstrated a
thorough understanding of my abilities, the position
being offered, and which of my abilities would prove to
be most valuable for that position. She also did an
excellent job of keeping me informed of where the company
was in their selection process, and what, if any, concerns
they had about my ability to perform in the position.

Should you wish to consider working with her and her
company, she can be reached at:

    Northwest Software, Inc.
    (503) 629-5947

          or

    chetans@agora.rain.com

Tim Farley
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Drug testing by U.S. government contractors
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:58:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, San Francisco

In article <1992Apr7.012849.6297@sed.stel.com> jon@sed.stel.com (Jon Radel) writes:
>A recent e-mail note from somebody responding to an offer I recently
>posted to misc.jobs.offered, in which I mentioned that pre-employment
>drug testing was mandatory, leads me to believe that at least some
>people who feel strongly about the matter are unaware that contractors
>working for the U.S. government don't necessarily have a choice in the
>matter.  

Hmm, if you're refering to my response, I didn't say anything negative
about such contractors.  I DID say that it might be nice if posted job
offers included a note regarding mandatory drug testing...so I could avoid
applying to such companies.

>In other words, don't bother writing me.  Don't bother complaining to
>other people like me who simply are upfront about the matter but have
>no control over it at all.  Drop a note to your congressperson
>and tell him/her that you think that mandatory drug testing is doing
>more harm than good, or whatever it is you believe.  :-)

Well, who DOES have control?

Congress seems pretty gung-ho about the War on the Constitution, er,
War on Drugs these days, so I imagine sending such a note wouldn't do
much good.

>And don't bother sending me any suggestions that I call up the board
>of directors to tell them to shut the company down in protest over the
>government regulations either.

Certainly, I made no such suggestion.

   don
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: mrosen@fmrco.COM (Mark Rosenthal - Bob Vick)
Subject: Re: What Happens When Your Company Closes?
Organization: Fidelity Management and Research Co., Boston, MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:58:10 GMT

In article <1416@newave.UUCP> john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes:
>There is a possibility that my primary employeer will soon
>close (not NeWave--that's just where I post from).  Lets say
>that this company has no assets (everything is on lease,
>even things like laserprinter toner cartridges).  Lets 
>further assume that they close because they cannot cover
>the paychecks (ie, no cash in the bank) and they cannot cover
>ongoing operating expenses.
>
>If they do close, I assume that I will be left holding a
>paycheck that I cannot cash, plus I will be owed for 6 weeks
>of built-up vacation and travel expenses for the past two months
>(currently about $3500).
>
>Where does this leave the employees sitting?  Since the company
>has nothing to liquidate (everything is on lease), there is
>nothing for a bankruptcy court to sell off to generate any
>cash.  Will the state or federal government step in and cover
>the paychecks?  Are the owners personally responsible for
>paying wages if the company cannot?  Will they also cover 
>things like past travel expenses and earned vacation?

What happens probably depends on state law.  In Massachusetts, it is a
felony to fail to cover paychecks.  The company is supposed to anticipate
the problems, and lay people off (after paying them everything they have
earned to that date).  If they fail to do so, the corporate officers can
find themselves in jail.  Of course that doesn't help the poor employee.
I believe that employees' back pay comes very high on the list
of creditors to be paid off in the bankruptcy proceedings.  Possibly,
right after the IRS (which always comes first).  However if, as you say,
there are no assets at all, you may be out of luck.  I don't believe any
government will cover your losses.

I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, so the usual caveats apply.
For more reliable information, talk to a real lawyer, instead of asking
people on the net who just like to shoot their mouths off (myself included).
From: brettw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett D. Watson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: STOP posting garbage on jobs.offered!
Date: 6 Apr 1992 12:14:36 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

  Just so I don't contradict myself I'm posting this here instead of
on the jobs.offered board where I should post it.  The last few weeks
I've see more crap on misc.jobs.offered, or at least AS MUCH crap as I
see on this list!  If anyone posting these $$$ at home scams, and
anyone following up an article on jobs.offered, would just look at the
Followup To: field or just USE your head and follow it up to
misc.jobs.misc where it belongs I for one would appreciate it.  I see
people scream about someone posting garbage on jobs.offered and that's
exactly where they are posting their complaints!  Think people!

-=- Brett

PS  Yes, I use nn and I don't even have to read those posts that don't
belong if I don't want to, but it's the principle I'm talking about
here.

-- 
Brett D. Watson
brettw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu | brettw@harris.cis.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dobo@brahms.udel.edu (Donald Boone)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Application Question...
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:10:51 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware


Just a general question to pose to the world.  What are your thoughts and
ideas concerning a DUI and the usual have you ever been arrested question
on most applications?  Omitting it and they find out makes you look dishonest,
but including it could make you look like an unreliable lush.  We all know
that it does happen and many of us do it from time to time, but what are your
opinions about it?  It's not considered a felony so depending on the wording
on the application you may not actually be telling a lie.  Just curious.
From: lgardner@mac.cc.macalstr.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Entry levels unite
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:40:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac.1992Apr8.204058.2400
Organization: Macalester College

PLease please please have en entry level newsgroup.  As a non-CS or tech major
I'm having a really difficult time finding a full-time position (not that CS or
tech majors have it easy)

Vote aye for entry level!

Lisa Gardner
From: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Entry Level Blues
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:28:34 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1247@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> cebula@gl.pitt.edu (James J Cebula) writes:
   
>So entry level job seekers, two things.  Don't expect to find a job, because
>they are simply not there.  DO expect to become frustrated.  
>
      For a third thing, keep the frustration from showing on
      interviews or you haven't a prayer.  Few companies are looking
      to hire attitude problems.

      Vent it on the net if you must, but smile like a TV preacher
      on that interview.
From: naomi@jessica.stanford.edu (Naomi L.T. Courter)
Subject: Headhunters & Gen. Info re: Raleigh/Durham, N.C.
Organization: Academic Information Resources
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 19:40:01 GMT

Does anyone know of any good headhunters in the Raleigh/Durham area?
I'm specifically looking for someone who specializes in placing 
people with computer networking experience.  

Also, if anyone out there has any insight or personal knowledge 
regarding the area, I'd really appreciate it.  I'll be flying out
there the week of May 18th, so any additional information regarding 
the weather during that time would be nice, too. 

Thanks in advance for your help. 

Naomi L.T. Courter
Networking Systems
Stanford University
naomi@jessica.stanford.edu
(415)  723-1199
From: cebula@gl.pitt.edu (James J Cebula)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Entry Level Blues
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:32:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Good luck to all you spring grads looking for enrty level positions.  I
graduated last December with a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering (3.4 cum. QPA
3.6 major QPA), and 16 months of experience in Quality Assurance/Manufacturing
(I had a co-op position with the Defense Department).  I've had resumes out
all over the country for about 14 months now, I've used several "headhunters",
the university's placement service, and I've been on at least 50 interviews, 
including a number of second interviews and 3 plant visits.  For all of this effort, I have not had a single offer of employment.  Relocation is not a problem.

So entry level job seekers, two things.  Don't expect to find a job, because
they are simply not there.  DO expect to become frustrated.  

Just my two cents, for what its worth,
- Jim -  
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From: danj@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Dan Joyce)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Civil Engineering Summer Job Desired
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:28:25 GMT
Reply-To: danj@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Dan Joyce)
Distribution: na
Organization: Tandem Computers; Austin TX
Originator: danj@jupiter

I am friends with a very bright, hardworking civil engineering student
(senior) attending the University at San Luis Obisbo. She is looking
very hard for a summer job, internship or co-op position which would
give her experience in her chosen field. If you know of any positions
of this kind, I would greatly appreciate it if you would call me 
(collect) at home (512) 477 - 4060 or at work (512) 244 - 8356.

   Thankyou,
   Dan Joyce

   P.S. She is willing to travel anywhere in the country.
From: ed@inmet.camb.inmet.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Drug testing by U.S. government
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:18:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:<1992Apr9:175438:inmet:39500011:000:505
Nf-From: inmet.camb.inmet.com!ed    Apr 16 11:18:00 1992


Refusing to consider a job that requires drug testing tells alot about
the individual who does so.  It suggests that he or she puts something
ahead of getting a "good" job.  Making less money, or having 
less status might be the price one has to pay so one can take a stand
about an issue.  

This is a wonderful, moral thing.  If your privacy
means so little to you, well, thats your business.  But your nasty 
little dig that such people are foolish, and probably even substance
abusers stinks.


Ed C.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: bonney@esds.mdc.com (Greg Bonney)
Subject: Re: Drug testing by U.S. government contractors
Organization: Visual Simulation Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:32:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.213304.9942@cbnews.cb.att.com> ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.175438.25931@esds.mdc.com> bonney@esds.mdc.com (Greg Bonney) writes:
>>You may miss out on a really good job if you rule out every company that does
>>drug testing.
>
>>I had to take a drug test, and it wasn't any big deal.  It's just a simple
>>urine sample.  It's not like a strip search; it's very discrete.
>
>Greg, you're absolutely right.  In fact, if they strap me to a
>lie-detector and ask me to state that I am not and never have been a
>member of the Communist party, why, I'll go right ahead and do it.

As a matter of fact, to get a security clearance I did have to sign a paper
saying I was not a member of a communist party.

>>If you're afraid you can't pass the test, I guess that's another matter, but
>>otherwise I would suggest not limiting yourself just because of your high
>>principles.
>
>You're right.  What indeed are principles compared to something truly
>important like limiting your job possibilities.  I think many Germans
>in the late 1930's would have heartily agreed with you also.

I can see you feel very strongly about this, John.  We're not talking about the
killing of millions of innocent people, though, and I am not yet thuroughly
convinced that drug testing is unconstitional.  However, if you can provide a
clear, logical argument without resorting to emotional accusations, I'm willing
to listen.
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:3436 news.groups:9997
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,news.groups
Subject: Re: 'Official' RFD issued
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:03:10 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Followup-To: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC

Keywords: Comments? Discussion?

WARNING: Original post was sent to misc.jobs.misc and misc.jobs.offered
despite it saying specificly that posts are to be sent to misc.jobs.misc
ONLY!

> Article <14641@vela.acs.oakland.edu> From: becker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Anthony M. Becker)

> root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:

> >A Request for discussion was issued today according to policy. It seeks
> >the creation of:

> >       misc.jobs.entry
> >       misc.jobs.expert
> >       misc.jobs.recruit

> >The purpose of the new groups is to facilitate easier access to postings
> >targeted at specific skill levels, and to categorize postings as being
> >employer-direct or agency generated.

> >All discussions and comments should be made in misc.jobs.misc and in
> >news.groups ONLY.

At least he got this right.  Stop posting votes and responses
in misc.jobs.offered.  Too bad he could set the followup to
those groups only.

> I think the names should be of the form "misc.jobs.offered.*".  This
> might tend to discourage people from posting articles that would be more
> appropriate in other newgroups.

Why? It hasn't stopped them from doing that now.
Ever since the annual "There are no entry level jobs" bitching
appeared on misc.jobs.offered.

misc.jobs.offers-only.* might help

And regarding the split I do not think it will work well - "expert"
is a vague term and I would not classify 1-2 years as an "expert"
(Well maybe relative to a new grad with four years of work study it is :-) )

This proposal is obviously slanted towards the entry level complainers
except that it will result in misc.jobs.recruit being filled with
with complaints that there are no entry level in misc.jobs.entry,

I expect the signal to noise ratio to be barely above 0 in misc.jobs.entry

Is there any way a newsgroup can be set up to have no replies sent
to it but just original posts?  This would help the signal to noise ratio 
in misc.jobs.offered.

Still doesn't eliminate the "$4000/week scams though :-{



-- 
Glenn Host - Senior Systems Analyst (ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil)
NRL Code 5800, 4555 Overlook Ave.; Washington, DC 20375   (202) 767-2046
12307 Tigers Eye Court ; Reston, VA 22091                 (703) 620-1141 
Xref: sparky misc.jobs.misc:3476 news.groups:10131
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,news.groups
Subject: Re: 'Official' RFD issued
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:56:53 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC

Keywords: Comments? Discussion?

> Article <792@dogear.spk.wa.us> From: root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)

> In article <14641@vela.acs.oakland.edu> becker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Anthony M. Becker) writes:
> >root@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:


> >I think the names should be of the form "misc.jobs.offered.*".  This
> >might tend to discourage people from posting articles that would be more
> >appropriate in other newgroups.

> I certainly open to the idea... But what I was thinking of was this:

> currently, misc.jobs has a number of adjuncts; offered, contract, resumes,
> and misc. Since we're looking at dividing up the 'offered' group because
> of the need for categorization, it strikes me that 'offered' is implied,
> and the new groups would be in the same format as the other misc.jobs.*
> newsgroups.

> misc.jobs.misc
> misc.jobs.contract
> misc.jobs.entry
> misc.jobs.expert
> misc.jobs.recruit
> misc.jobs.resumes  (maybe this should be misc.jobs.wanted???)

> I see what you mean about trying to deter the number of erroneous posts
> (posting of resumes, etc). Perhaps the easiest way to do that might be
> to rename 'resumes' to wanted?

> What does everyone think of this?

If such a breakup of misc.jobs.offered is done "offered"
is not a good word either since some posters feel
they are "offered" themselves - usually because they
are not worth the paper they are written on :-)

Without the the offered on it at all we will get people
looking a position cross-posting to ALL Of the groups.

misc.jobs.offers-only.* might make a better newsgroup
breakup and in the charter it should state explicitly
that it is improper to post followups, resumes or
cross-posts with any of the misc.jobs.off* groups.

It should state that discussions should be posted to
m.j.misc.
 
If it is possible the misc.jobs.o* newsgroups should
disallow followups.  This should reduce the idiot
threads caused by people having to make a comment about
a job in m.j.o*.
-- 
Glenn Host - Senior Systems Analyst (ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil)
NRL Code 5800, 4555 Overlook Ave.; Washington, DC 20375   (202) 767-2046
12307 Tigers Eye Court ; Reston, VA 22091                 (703) 620-1141
From: olson@mydual.uucp (Kirtland H. Olson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: How to start out in Tech Writing
Summary: Analogies with other fields
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:30:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: mydual.1992Apr6.213006.3796
Organization: The Harvard Group, 01451-0667

In your area there must be many tech writing companies who do manuals and the
like.  Combine this with not-for-profits who use technology.  The
student can find users at the not-for-profits who need manuals or
procedures written for the staff.  Then the student should approach the
founders of tech writing companies and ask for a contribution of
supervision and review of the work the student does.  Experience won't
get any more real-world than that.

In addition, you may find user groups of many kinds looking for
volunteer writers and or editors.  

Also, the student can contact the Society For Technical Communications,
which likely has a local chapter where the student can meet and talk
with technical writers.

Of course Hewlett-Packard has many fine technical writers and some of
the very best guidebooks, so your student could seek advice from them.

Most students need an editor, a coach, and an audience that talks back. 
If the student needs specific guidelines to distinguish technical
writing from other forms I'll be willing to talk by email.

--Kirt

-- 
Kirtland H. Olson                     olson%mydual.uucp@alliant.com