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From: Al Spohn * Hilton 516 * 507-284-1666 <spohn@mayo.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: "Ultimate Headphones" responses
Date: 30 Sep 1992 16:44:41 -0500 (CDT)
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I just wanted to thank everyone for all the responses I got to my 
inquiry about the "ultimate" set of headphones.  I have one follow-up 
question:  

Does anyone have a number or address for catalogs on the following:

Stax,Grado,Sennheiser,AKG equipment

Thanks also for showing such patience for my overly-general inquiry!

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From: Craig Stark <cs6h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: Source for high-quality pots / impedance questions
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 17:33:07 -0400 (EDT)
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I'm afraid I don't know of the company you referred to, but I would like to
offer some advice on passive preamps.  About a year ago, I was convinced
that a passive pre was the way to go, and built one using a $40 Alps pot
gold connectors and the like and was fairly pleased with the sound.  I was
pleased, however, until I heard what a top rate pre could do for the system
and I never went back.  You are correct to conclude that impedance plays
a big role in it all.  Ideally, your CD's output imp. would be on the order
of a few ohms and the amp's input would be very high.  This would minimize
the effects of capacitive loading on the system.

When you run with a passive preamp, you place a good deal of cable on both
ends of your pot, which may have a resistance to ground of 20k-100k, depending
upon the pot you use.  Now then, with the volume cranked (as it will need to
be to have enough "gain") the output impedance of the passive preamp will be
20k-100k!  Any cable after the passive pre will be a very weak link in the
chain.  Subjectively, dynamics are dampened and the image is lost.  Hate
to say it, but it's the case.  "The best gain stage is no gain stage" motto
only holds true if it's not needed.  I really tried to make it work well
(after all $75 in parts is a heck of a lot less than a $1500 Audio Research
line stage) but to no avail.

The best you can do if your amp has the sensitivity (note some CD player's
variable output will give lots more juice than their fixed output-- check
this with yours) is to put a volume knob right at the input to the amp.
Dangle it outside the case while you audition to see if you want to mount
it in the amp permanently.  Though still not perfect, this solution works
reasonably well.  (I'm doing it right now while I build a AR SP-6a line
stage by using the same Alps pot on my active X-over.)

Good pots can be had from Old Colony Sound labs, Wellbourne, or Newark
Electronics.

Craig Stark
From: osc!dk@amd.com (Dan Koren)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: "Ultimate" headphones
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:54:55 GMT
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Summary: Sennheiser Orpheus
Keywords: ultimate headphone Sennheiser Orpheus
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In article <01GPB800UOVM8Y5HQA@vaxdev.mayo.edu> spohn@mayo.edu (Al Spohn * 
Hilton 516 * 507-284-1666) writes:
>
> I've been asked by my sister in law to determine what the best set of 
> stereo headphones available are - with price being _no_object_ (must be 
> nice, I know).  
> I'm sure the answer isn't cut-and-dried, but I'd appreciate the opinions 
> of anyone willing to give them.  Just assume that these headphones would 
> be a part of your theoretical "dream system" - absolutely no holds barred. 
> Oh yeah - wireless headphones would be nice, but only if audio degredation 
> is _minute_ (if that's possible).

The answer is actually pretty cut and dried: Sennheiser Orpheus. They're
electrostatics sporting a dedicated tube amp which wouldn't look out of
place in an art museum. As to the price, well, if you have to ask... I
believe it's close to $10k.


dk

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From: MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: Source for high-quality pots / impedance questions
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 01:01:56 GMT
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In <8enA0Hy00WB85mOFsK@andrew.cmu.edu> cs6h+@andrew.cmu.edu writes:
> 
> When you run with a passive preamp, you place a good deal of cable on both
> ends of your pot, which may have a resistance to ground of 20k-100k, depending
> upon the pot you use.  Now then, with the volume cranked (as it will need to
> be to have enough "gain") the output impedance of the passive preamp will be
> 20k-100k!  Any cable after the passive pre will be a very weak link in the
Just a slight nit to pick here. The max output impedance happens when the
pot is in the -6dB posn, ie 1/2 the res. each side of the wiper. If the
output impedance of the CD is low rel to the pot resistance, the resulting
output impedance is the parallel comb of the 2 halves of the pot track, ie
1/4 of the pot res., so for a 100k pot the output impedance will be 25k
at worst. It is still too high IMHO.
Graham B
From: gt9605a@prism.gatech.edu (Arlo James Aude)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: FOR SALE: Altec Subwoofers
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:56:35 GMT
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I wish to sell two 18" Studio Quality Altec Lansing Subwoofers.  The current
price is $450, but I'm flexible.

I have two cabinets which I made out of partticle board which suffice to hold
in the pressure.  Although they are cumbersome being 2 feet square are 4 feet
tall.  I would sell the cabinets with the speakers for $50.

-- 
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                          Arlo James Aude
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                  Internet: gt9605a@prism.gatech.edu
From: mcmillen@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Mark McMillen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Experience with Mirage M-3 ???
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:39:15 GMT
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Keywords: loudspeakers
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I'm thinking of buying a pair of Mirage M-3s.  I heard them 2 years ago
and really liked the open, spacious soundstage that they produced.  I also
found them remarkably clean, bass was good and the high end was  unfatigueing
even with CD as a source.  

I would really like to hear an opinion of these speakers from someone who
owns, or has owned a pair.  Also, if you auditioned them and found something
else you liked better, please e-mail or post.


Also, have any of you heard the latest version of the M-3? (M-3ci?).

Thanks,


--Mark
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From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: "Ultimate" headphones
Date: 30 Sep 1992 12:55:20 GMT
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In <01GPB800UOVM8Y5HQA@vaxdev.mayo.edu> Al Spohn * Hilton 516 * 507-284-1666 <spohn@mayo.edu> writes:

>Howdy -

>I've been asked by my sister in law to determine what the best set of stereo 
>headphones available are - with price being _no_object_ (must be nice, I know)

Easy. The Grado Signatures or the best Stax available depending if you're 
into ultra-priced or "if you need to ask"-priced headphones.

Not only are these not wireless, they require transformer boxes to step up
amplifier voltages.
From: tlt@meaddata.com (Troy Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Horn Tweeter
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:50:58 GMT
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Is anyone out there familiar with a horn tweeter with the designation
ET 703?  I would like to know who the manufacturer is.  It is
currently used in the Rush Sound Monument II system, it has two 5" and
one 1/2" horn tweeter.  It is supposed to have a greater high-end.

Thanks in advance,
Troy
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From: gmw1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Gabe M Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: B&W 800's
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 02:39:32 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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I'm curious if anyone here has had the opportunity to hear the B&W 800's.
This is one set of speakers I've wanted to hear but have never gotten
around to.  I'm particularly interested in how they compare to other
speakers in their class.


--
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From: georged@meaddata.com (George Dibos)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Is AUDIO-CONTROL still in business?
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:18:59 GMT
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Can anyone tell me if the small audio component company called Audio-Control
(I think they were based in Washington or Oregon) is still around?    

If so, an address or phone number???  Thanks
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From: wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: "Ultimate" headphones
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:51:30 GMT
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In article <palane.717776978@pv7424.vincent.iastate.edu> palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane) writes:
>Easy. The Grado Signatures or the best Stax available depending if you're 
>into ultra-priced or "if you need to ask"-priced headphones.
>
>Not only are these not wireless, they require transformer boxes to step up
>amplifier voltages. 

	I don't believe the Grado's would require a "transformer box";
they are 40 ohm dynamic driver units.  And I wouldn't buy a high end
Stax with the transformer box -- they make active amplifier boxes
that plug into your preamp, and to my ears sound much better.  This
based on the Lamdas -- your price might vary with the SR-84's, etc.
From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: DAT problem
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:08:37 GMT
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In article <1992Sep24.070431.19613@tamsun.tamu.edu> r0h7630@tamuts.tamu.edu
(Rithea Hong) writes:
>I have a problem with my DAT player.  It seems to record fine.  However,
>after a couple of days, problems develop.  What happens is the first song
>on the tape starts getting MASSIVE dropouts and often gets so bad that the
>player stops and displays a warning light.  

The first thing that I would do is run the cleaning tape through the
machine.  Your don't have one?  Get one!

The second thing that I would do is to play the tape up until it fails
and remove the tape.  Then physically inspect the tape for damage.
the lower part of the case will slide back if you press down on the
tiny little tabs in the groves on the bottom.  Hold the bottom sliding
part with one hand and lift up the flip cover with the other.  Please
take care not to tuch the tape!

If the tape is wrinkled, crinkled or the edges of the tape are
damaged get it to the shop fast!

If you find no physical damage you should have it looked at anyway.

Don't play tapes until you are sure that physical damage isn't being
done to them!

I think I will run home tonite and clean my DAT machines!

-- 
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From: bilver!bill@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Bill Vermillion)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: "Ultimate" headphones
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:44:16 GMT
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In article <m0ma9CS-0002xGC@pebbles.Software.ORG> Skip Osborne <osborne@software.org> writes:

>	[If you want the priciest instead of the best known, there is 
>an even fancier tube amp made by Stax, somewhere around $3,800 if 
>memory serves, so add 2,800 more to replace the tubed amp (1,000) 
>in the above price. But I haven't heard it, so I can't testify.]

Priciest, but not known - and don't know how good they sound, are those
Sony headphones, with the carved wood earpiece holders at about $7000



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From: Michael Steckner <steckner@lri.uwo.ca>
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: FOR SALE: Naim System
Date: 28 Sep 1992 13:08:43 GMT
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	Fri, 25 Sep 92 16:34:42 -0400
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Naim audio
2 of 135 mono power amps
1 of Hi CAP power supply
32.5 pre-amp with moving coil boards

all in excellent condition

(519) 434-4229 and ask for Darren or leave a message..
From: M.J.Landzaat@fel.tno.nl (Maarten Landzaat)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: rec.audio.high-end is humorous
Date: 28 Sep 1992 13:08:35 GMT
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mailrus!samsung!ulowell!aspen.ulowell.edu!antonp@uunet.UU.NET writes:

>Yes, rec.arts.audio.high-end is quite humorous.

>I'm surprised more people don't think so.

OK, here I am to back you.

I don't trust my ears. They can tell me what is beautiful,
but they can't tell me what is accurate reproduction.

Here's why:
I am a musician, I play guitar, bass guitar and double bass using
instrument amplifiers. These amplifiers are bad. I mean, they add
a lot of distortion, accentuate some frequencies much more than others,
etc. And this sounds just great. But if you plug your electric guitar in
HIFI equipment, it sounds very silly. Distortion is beautiful! 

The moral is: if you think that some piece of equipment sounds better,
it probably is not. People with 'golden ears' are probably very good
at discerning small differences. It is my opinion that they cannot
be good at judging accuracy of playback. You need electronic
instruments for that.

I certainly would NOT buy a speaker/amplifier that "sounds so warm",
even if I like it. It just means it always sounds warm, even when it
shouldn't.

I will certainly NOT spend thousands of guilders (yes, I'm from Holland)
more for some piece of equipment that sounds better just to my ears. I'd
like to see some figures then. 

>anyone wishing to kill me should please notify me in advance 

Then notify me also, I'll try to defend you!
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From: osc!dk@amd.com (Dan Koren)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: "Ultimate" headphones
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:03:08 GMT
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In article <palane.717776978@pv7424.vincent.iastate.edu> palane@iastate.edu 
(Paul A. Lane) writes:
>
> Easy. The Grado Signatures or the best Stax available depending if you're 
> into ultra-priced or "if you need to ask"-priced headphones.

The Stax and the Grado are *very* reasonably priced considering what they
cost to manufacture. Look the Sennheiser Orpheus for a "if you need to ask"
specimen.

> Not only are these not wireless, they require transformer boxes to step 
> up amplifier voltages. 

This is incorrect. The Stax and Grado use tube amps to provide correct
voltage and impedance matching, as well as polarizing voltage for the
electrostatic membranes in the case of the Stax. Any transformer would
probably degrade the sound.


dk

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From: rhughes@UCSD (Richard J. Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Re: QUAD 44 and 606 Reliability, Cost, Sound?
Date: 2 Oct 1992 04:43:17 GMT
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In article <1992Sep28.085727.6160@cfa160.harvard.edu> bruce@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Bruce Sams) writes:

>Does anyone out there have comments regarding the Quad equipment and
>its reliability?  Is this a normal price for Quad gear by American
>standards?  If I buy the gear, I'll be bringing it home to the US
>in about a year or so.  Is there good support/repair for Quad equipment
>in the US?

I have been a long-time devotee of QUAD equipment, from the 33/303/FM3 to 
the 34/306/FM4.  Great stuff!  In my experience, these items cost half in 
the U.K. what they cost here.  Why not take a trip to the U.K. and pick them 
up there?  My parents live there, so it's easy for me.  I stopped by the 
QUAD factory one time to have my FM3 repaired and they worked on it while I 
had lunch and beers at a nearby pub (I did call ahead, though).  You simply 
can't beat the repair prices that QUAD charge in the U.K.  If you need any 
repair done, it works out cheaper to send it back to the factory.

Richard Hughes
rhughes@ucsd.edu
From: ianchan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ian Hin Yun Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Amplifiers around $1k.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 18:31:35 GMT
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Summary: Acurus or Parasound, or neither?
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I'm interested in upgrading my integrated Arcam Delta60 to a pre and power
combination for roundabout $1k. A preamp that's caught my eye is the Acurus
L10 (which The Audio Critic rated as #1 in their review of <$800 preamps).
However, the reasons for for their choice seemed to be build quality and
lab measurements, rather than listening tests. Sure those qualities are
important, but I would feel more comfortable knowing how it _actually sounds_.
Has anyone tried these things and would like to share their experiences?
I will be getting a (passive) subwoofer too, so a high-current power amp
to go with it would be great. Any suggestions?
I'm also considering a setup consisting of Parasound equipment (FET900 pre and
800MkII power, going for $792). They are attractive because the speakers I
use (Legacy Satellites + soon-to-be Subs) use Parasound amps in their design
process. However, I've never read a review on them, so I need input from the
net.
Of couse, if you've got other great suggestions, don't hesitate to inform me!
Thanks in advance,
- Ian
From: siemerin@cs.utwente.nl (Ben Siemerink)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end
Subject: Bose speakers
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:12:20 GMT
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Keywords: Bose
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Hi Folks!


I would never buy Bose speakers.  I listened to them once, and I found it was
pure shit:  the sound didn't get into the room, but stayed inside the speaker
which resulted in a very muffled sound. My opinion is that the sound should
enter the room and should not sound muffled.  Bose is the only speaker make
I'm really negative about.

Furthermore, I can't stand their commercials (I don't know if they're abroad
as well): "Stereo everywhere in the room", this is just impossible; and
"Speakers the size of a milk pack"; why not mentioning the subwoofer? Further-
more, I don't believe in this subwoofer system.


Ben.

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From: ahchan@rd.hydro.on.ca (Arthur Chan)
Subject: Re: Rock Solid speakers!
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:55:53 GMT

jwr@clinicom.com (Jim Riley) writes:
: 
: I would like to recommend to anyone looking for good sound at a reasonable
: price to go listen to a pair of Rock Solid speakers. I first came across
: these little wonders when shopping for a pair of Klipsch KG4 genre speakers
: The "Solids" are a smaller-type solid-body speaker that can be easily mounted.
: Anyway while sound testing MUCH larger speakers for my Sony top-of-the-line
: ES series sound system my salesman pushed some buttons on his console and asked
: me to guess which speakers were playing.  The sound was terrific, rich bass,
: awesome midrange, and a crystal clear high end.  Because I was looking for
: a mid-sized cabinet speaker among his display I could'nt locate the source
: of this awesome sound.  When I finally gave up and he pointed to a pair of
: very unintimidating black speakers with a ?purple? grille, I was amazed.
: These 150w speakers are made in England by a small firm, Rock Solid, I believe.
: They were engineered by B&W and come in a variety of color schemes.  I picked
: up an all black pair.
: 
: I would like to believe I have a "discerning ear".  Go check-out a sound test
: at a high-end audio store near you, I think you'll be impressed at ~$400.00
: per pair.
: 
: Feel free to mail me with any questions...  And yes I have no affiliation with
: Rock Solid or B&W.
: 
:


I agree.  I listened to a pair in a store and found them very good.
Unfortunately, I was looking for a center channel speaker.  So I just bought
one instead of a pair.  I paid only $130 for one and it was selling $250 per
pair.  
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