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From: mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Mike Andrews)
Subject: Problems with Pro Plan Turkey?
Keywords: Pro Plan, food,
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:54:29 GMT

Our 12 year old female Black Lab got very sick with stomach trouble.
She was vomiting and refusing to eat any food - even treats.  When she
hadn't eaten for two days we took her to our vet. The vet gave her a
blood test and kept her in the hospital overnight.  The blood test was
negative. The staff got her to eat some bland food and keep it down
so we brought her home.  We fed her some special dietary food from the
vet but it took two more days before she would eat even a treat again.
She's now back on regular food.

In the meantime out two other dogs, a 12 year old female English Bulldog
and a 18 month old male Bullmastiff, refused to eat the Pro Plan Turkey
and Barley we had.  This was the third 40lb. bag we've fed and up to then
they had absolutely loved it.  We've fed Pro Plan Chicken formula for
years with great results.

We have come to wonder if maybe the Pro Plan Turkey was a bad batch.
We returned it to Pet Care+ and got a cheerful refund. We are now
feeding a lamb and rice formula and all the dogs love that. 

So....  Is anybody else experiencing problems with Pro Plan Turkey?
I'd like to know if Pro Visions (Purina) has issued a recall.
Pet Care didn't say so. We aren't out the money for the feed, but
we paid a $195 vet bill.
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kmurphy@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu (Kim Murphy)
Subject: Re: Dog Wetting Self
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
	<1993Jan21.152504.23352@unislc.uucp>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:28:50 GMT


   I called my vet last night to ask about DES,since one of my dogs is
   on it.  She said that at a dose of one to three times a week, there
   has been no evidence of its causing bone marrow problems or anemia.
   She did say that it definitely DOES cause such problems at high
   doses.  She thought it far safer than Dexatrim.

   For what it's worth.
   -- 
      Anne Beck			| The difference between difficult
      abb@unislc  sun!unislc!abb   | dogs & vicious human beings is
      Unisys  SLC UT               | that difficult dogs don't rise to 
				   | prominent positions in the community.



I was the one that mentioned that Dexatrim had serious side effects,
not the DES.  Since we're on the subject, I'd like to mention further
about Dexatrim.  Dexatrim's main ingredient is Phenylpropanolamine
(PPA).  PPA can cause hypertension in young healthy adults. (people)
My vet was very aware of Dexatrim, and we've had several vets over the
years due to moves.  He took our Lab/Aussie mix off of Dexatrim
because it tightens every muscle in the body, not just the bladder.
For those of you who need to be reminded about anatomy, the heart is a
muscle.  This is a very dangerous chemical, and I think the vets which
graduated before 1985 are rightly skeptical of its benefits.

On the other hand, side effects to DES are rare if kept to a minimal
dose.  I don't believe that DES has been banned in humans as
previously posted (correct me if I'm wrong).  It was banned for the
prevention of miscarriages, not all of its uses (namely the morning
after pill).

The problem of urinary incontinence in female dogs is due to a
hormonal imbalance.  DES replaces those hormones.  PPA only causes new
problems.  In our case, when Solo was taken off of DES and given Dexatrim,
she suddenly developed allergic reactions to everything at the age of
9.  Even the dermatologists said that it was unusual for a dog to
develop allergies at that late age.  For two years, we messed with the
allergy problems not realizing the connection.  Our present vet put
her back on DES and her allergies returned to a controllable level.
(That's when we made the connection)

While this doesn't mean that Dexatrim was the direct cause, PPA is just too
strong of a drug to mess with.  Our dog took a far smaller dosage of
DES than Dexatrim.  Me, I'd rather risk the drug with fewer side
effects.

Kim Murphy
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: She fetches!!! (well, almost)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:18:03 GMT

Greta finally got onto carry and fetch today after my wife and I
threw around her nylabone frisbee for awhile.  I didn't think
she'd ever take to it, but once she started...

Any suggestions on teaching her to catch a frisbee?  She's only
four months old, so I'm taking it slowly.

--kyler
From: bryan.weaver@bville.gts.org (Bryan Weaver) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: need some help
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:11:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Baudeville BBS - Toronto, Ontario, Canada 416-283-0114
Reply-To: bryan.weaver@bville.gts.org (Bryan Weaver) 

Hi R.P.D. My name is Judy Weaver (This is my husband's BBS account). I 
am looking for some help with a project I'm working on.

I am a teacher & administrator for an organisation called The Kindness 
Club, Inc. It is an international organisation (non profit) which 
started in the province of New Brunswick, Canada over 30 years ago. Its 
goals are to teach children to have respect for animals (both companion 
& free). A lot of the traffic on this conference hits right at the 
types of things we are concerned about.

So I am hoping to get some feedback.

I am looking for new ways to help children develop empathy for 
creatures. As a starting point I am investigating animal-human 
relationships. I guess the basic questin I want to ask is:

Why does a person (family) want to have an animal in their home?

Knowing why a person wanted the animal in the first place, can help me 
find ways to help him/her to continue to feel for and care for that 
pet. (And maybe cut down on abuse to/ euthanisatins/ etc.)

SOOO, if anyone has any thoughts, I would love to hear from you.
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From: young@alw.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Tails'n'Ears WAS Flame?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 08:08:36 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <24740083@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> you write:
|> >I can't say that I have a strong opinion regarding ears and tails (except  
|> >that I like a Dobie "with ears").  But I'm wondering....if you understand
|> >why dewclaws are removed, why not tails?  Working spaniel breeders dock
|> >the tail about half way to the body for the same reason as removing
|> >dewclaws -- to prevent tail injuries that don't heal well.  I personally
|> >think that if you're not working your dog, you shouldn't dock the tail; 
|> >but if you are, then I don't see a problem with doing it.   Perhaps, 
|> >instead of laying down hard and fast "rules," we should approach this
|> >from a situational point of view, exhibiting something that might be
|> >becoming lost in our society -- tolerance?
|> >
|> >schalene
|> >
|> >----------
|> >
|> Well, I'm going to put in my 2 cents here also.  I agree with what Schalene
|> says here.  If there is a good reason to crop tails/ears like there seems
|> to be for dewclaws, then by all means they should be clipped (EARLY!).
|> If the dogs will be working dogs or such, then maybe there are good reasons
|> for some of this cropping.  However, if the dog is a show dog (and not 
|> working) or a pet, etc. I feel it is unnecessary and shouldn't really be
|> done.  This is NOT meant as flame by any means!  My main gripe is with
|> the breed standards for 'pushing' people to get the cropping done by
|> taking points off and such.  I believe cropped/un-cropped should be 
|> judeged the same, giving the owners of 'show' dogs more an option on
|> whether this is needed for practical purposes.
|> 
|> Just an opinion....
|> Kim Krattiger
|> 

Make it $.04.

I feel that if a dog is a show dog and a sporting breed, there is no
excuse for not working the dog to exhibit some conformance to a 
sporting breed standard.  I feel that, for instance, if one were to 
allow intact tails in the ring for the pointing breeds, it would
further separate pointing breeds into two distinct factions - those
who field trial and those who show.  Therefore, I support the docking
of tails in sporting breeds even if the dog is only to see the inside
of a show ring. 

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Re: abused dog (was Re: Border Collies and Brittany Spaniels)
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 00:38:23 GMT


Scott has asked for advice on his previously abused dog: "Because of her abuse,
she cannot be disciplined easily.  Any non-positive feedback causes her to piss
on the floor."  No one else has publicly jumped forward so let me offer my 
thoughts.

It seems to me like the best abuse is to ignore her.  This isn't always
appropriate, but may work if you can associate it with the word, "no."  
You could start out teaching her the implication of "no."  While playing
with her, if she jumps up on you, say "no," and turn around and walk away.  It
sounds like you can't say it harshly or she'll piss, so just say it calmly.
As soon as she associates the word with your lack of approval it may even
work when she's nipping at a visitor.  Maybe even a less loaded word like
"sorry" would be better.  It may be difficult to say "no," in a calm enough
manner.

The sensitive ones are trying, but I think they really come around beautifully.
How long have you had her?  

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bds@mbunix.mitre.org (Smith)
Subject: Re: dogs and mortgages
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:05:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.160250.14068@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace) writes:
>A long time ago, my wife and I agreed that we
>would not get a dog until we had a mortgage -- because it's
>harder to get an apartment, it's not fair to the dog not to have
>a yard, etc., etc.  However, since we were both raised with
>dogs, it's getting harder and harder to resist, esp. with those
>RCA ads on tv. 
> 
>What is the consensus around here? Is it wise to get a dog while
>living in someplace you do not own?
>
>|    Todd Wallace

I had a 65 pound dog for 9 years before I bought a house.  Part of
that time was spent in apartments, part in rented houses.  Part of the
time we shared our lives with a cat.  One wife came and went, and a
second wife came to stay.  Each wife brought her own dog, and Amy
loved them both (with a month or two of adjustment, of course).  All
in all, that dog and I lived in 18 places in 4 states (Illinois,
Florida, New York, and Vermont) before we settled down in a house (in
New Hampshire) that my wife and I own.  Throughout that time she only
wanted to be with me (or my wife, and she always shared her doghouse
with the cat--when that cat died she was heartbroken).  An apartment
would bother her the first few weeks because of the new sounds, but
then she would settle in.  The same was pretty much true of a new
house.  As long as we got to go on our walks to a park or out in a
field or wherever, she was happy.  Everyone who knew her loved her.
Her last vet used to call her sweetheart.  She lived to be 16, and
I'll always miss her.  Get a dog.

Barry Smith



Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:16:56 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <1993Jan25.175309.3034@cs.tulane.edu> feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman) writes:
>>Quite a chart!  Here's a simpler one:
>>
>>
>>  Are millions             ------------------------- 
>>  of pets being   YES     |                         |
>>  abandoned and ________\ |                         |
>>  euthanized            / |                         |
>>  every year              | GET YOUR PET NEUTERED!! |
>>  in the US               | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
>>  alone?                  |                         |
>>                          |                         |
>>                          |_________________________|
>>
>>
>>As soon as the population problem is solved, the fancier chart Nancy
>>cites applies.
>
>Once this approach is taken, we can never go back to the old 
>chart because there will be no more purebreds.
Purebreds do not represent the only source of good genes. "Mutts" can have
good genes as well- like purebreds the only requirement is that the parents
pass on good genes. 

Besides, most "pure breeds" started from mutts.
>
>If you are a responsible breeder, you are obligated to breed good dogs
>to balance out the bad ones being bred by most everyone else.
I hope you mean that a breeder should only produce healthy dogs on demand, as opposed
to mass producing good dogs regardless if anybody wants one. Just wondering since there's
two ways to read that sentence.

>I have a large dog with modest activity requirements that trains
>easily, rarely barks and is an excellent guard dog.  He also doesn't howl 
>or dig.  I expected all this when I chose my breed and I haven't been
>surprised (much :-) or inconvenienced by my dog's behaviors.
>
>  (BTW: an unneutered dog need not be bred
> -- the SPCA pro-neutering
>policy was created in an age when dogs ran loose around communities)
Many agencies like the Humane Society, departments of Animal Control, and so forth
MAINTAIN A STRONG AFFIRMATION OF NEUTERING.
I don't know where you live, but the cities and suburbs I have lived in always
have strays, and will continue to do so.
Besides nuetering prevents dog genes of unknown quality from continuing- regardless
the size of the dog population.



From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:42:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Older dog training
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

I like everything I've read by Myrna Milani and Carol Lea Benjiman.
But my best advice is to call your local obedience clubs and ask about an
obedience class for adult dogs.  That's how we got started and it was more
fun and more effective for us than reading books.  

You can usually find these groups in the yellow pages under "dog training".
The instructors give YOU feedback about what YOU'RE doing wrong and that's
not something a book can do for you.  

Good luck!  I've only ever had adult dogs and I can tell you that it's
easy to train them.  

Also-- (how could I forget this???) read Don't Shoot the Dog by Karen Pryor


Diane

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: dogs and mortgages
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:14:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.160250.14068@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace) writes:
>
> 
>What is the consensus around here? Is it wise to get a dog while
>living in someplace you do not own?
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>|    Todd Wallace               |  "A pessimist is surprised   |
>|    twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu   |   as often as an optimist,   |
>|                               |   but always pleasantly."    |
>|                               |            - Robert Heinlein |
>----------------------------------------------------------------

I have done it now for about 1.5 years and it is just fine with me.  I am
not in an apartment though.  We rent a house.  Being young, both in school,
no "real" jobs, etc.  it will be many moons before a house of our own is
in our future but there was only 1, count it again folks, 1 apartment complex
in the area (we really looked everywhere) that would take a dog OVER 15 pounds.
What a stupid rule.  We didn't like that place anyway and we really wanted to
live in a house.  We found several houses in our price range (rent per month)
but none that allow pets.  We finally gave up having a pet (we didn't have
one yet) and we just looking for a nice house.  The one we finally got into
didn't say yes or no to pets just "we'll see after you've been here for a
while".  That was all we needed.  After some bugging and pleading we had Beamer
with us when we moved in the house!  Anyway, the most important part was
that the landlord knew that we had a dog.  He knew what kind of dog it was and
how big, roughly, it would get, he knew that we knew that all damage done by
said dog would be out of our pocket to fix and he even agreed to fence in
the yard (which hasn't been done yet but I am not going to push it :-)).
So I lucked out.  If the landlord doesn't like pets then don't plan on getting
a deposit back from them.  If they do and they completely understand what is
going on then I think it can be done.

Mike

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bds@mbunix.mitre.org (Smith)
Subject: Re: Beagle problems
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:50:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.143552.6979@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers) writes:
>  So the dog was able to be out her crate more than than
>before.  Eventually after some trial times etc. she was able to be out of her
>crate all the time when we were not at home.

>The second problem is really the big problem.  Lately, Bogey has started to 
>eat my wife's books from the bookcase.  This has become such a problem that we
>had to get out the crate again (she has been back in the crate for about a 
>week now).
>
>What can we do to help break her Dino habits and more importantly what can be
>done about her newly aquired thirst for knowledge ?????
>

I'm not a dog trainer and I'm sure others on this net could and will
give you much better advice than I can.  However, when we started
leaving our Weimaraner out of his crate and alone during the day, he
started to become destructive after behaving himself for the first
month or so.  We eventually put him back in his crate whenever we
aren't home.  We found that he threw about the same fit when we left
whether or not he was in his crate, which told us his crate was not
the issue for him.  We also found that he was calmer when we got home
after leaving him in his crate all day than when he was free.  Not
calm, but calmer.  He still goes wild when we come home, but after a
few minutes he settles down, while when he was out of the crate all
day he would take the better part of an hour to calm down.  Part of
this may be due to the fact that he's older (12 months) and seems to
be calming down naturally.  In any case, we're calmer too since
there's no damage to the house.  Possibly our calmness helps the
situation too.

So I would recommend that you return your dog to the crate and not
think of it as a short term solution.  The dog won't mind, and
everyone will be happier in the end.

Barry

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Epilepsy again.
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:08:43 GMT

I know this subject comes up rather often but I am bringing it up again.
Beamer had his third sesiure this weekend :-(  The first one happend way
back in June of 1992 at my parents house in Indianapolis.  The second
happened on Jan. 2, 1993 at Michele's mother's in Kansas.  The third now
was on Saturday Jan. 23, 1993 at our house.  After Michele talked to the
vet on Saturday he finally decided that a blood test would be a good
idea.  So today I took him in to get some blood drawn so in a few days
we will find out what is up.  Assuming there is nothing abnormal in the
blood work then epilepsy it is.  Now, we have to wait to see how often these
episodes are going to occur.  Since the last two were only 20 days apart
I hope that is not going to be the pattern.  If it is then phenobarbitol
it is.  I don't know how much phenobarb you have to give a dog and how the
dosage varies from dog to dog but I guess I will find out.  

I would like to know what could show up in a blood test that would discount
epilepsy?  What have others found out when they come across this problem?
Also, Cocker people, the vet went so far as to say that 95% of Cockers have
epilepsy at some point in their life.  I suspect he was exaggerating somewhat
to make Michele feel better on the phone.  What do you all think?  Oh well,
enough gloom from me.  For the most part Beamer is doing fine and no reason
to think otherwise but he really doesn't have a good time when he has these
episodes.

Mike


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From: u2zj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Stanton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: slippery stairs & long toenails
Date: 26 Jan 93 03:38:31 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Hello Dog People:

My dog who recently learned to go up and down stairs has
occasionally become very tentative going down the hardwood
stairs at home.

I finally noticed that it's because her nails are too long
(my fault).  The last motion of her back feet before she
lifts them is to curl those long long toes (she's a greyhound),
and when her nails are too long she looses traction.

So if you're teaching a long-toed dog to go up and down
stairs, you might want to make sure its nails are trimmed.


-Stanton Loh
u2zj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu