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From: frankz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Women swimmers and their male appearance
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:17:33 GMT
Reply-To: frankz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <1992Jul28.140259.14078@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>  
dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> 
>   The popular Chinese novelist Wang Shuo wrote a screenplay for the popular
> Chinese movie director Zhang Yimou about a man recruited to compete with
> a male foreign devil in boxing.  The foreign devil committed suicide for
> being so afraid that the Chinese set up a committee to target him.  Without
> a target, this Chinese man were convinced to go through a sex change  
opereation
> to compete in woman's team.
> 
> dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu


What is the name of the movie? It should be interesting like many of Wang  
Shuo's screenplay.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: yjj@janus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:24:37 GMT
X-Posted-From: janus.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Jul29.032137.2700@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>In article <fortony.712377814@murphy> fortony@sonne.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
>>lan@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yan Lan) writes:
>>I'm sure that in China, or in any other civilized competing country, the
>
>But the degree is different. In China, a lot of more focus was on the 
>champion, as I rememberred. 

Of course Chinese TVs are equally or more biased and have their
attention mostly on Chinese  players.  But Chinese TVs have
the communist tradition (rule) not reporting negative things.
From: lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Fu Mingxia won Gold !!!
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:25:45 GMT

Zhu YiHong  had a unfortunate dive in the final round, costing her silver.

This is from CND news source, MingYang in Australia.

Can't help to share with SCC friends, sorry if this violates rules.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Sports[wo]men in Chinese History
Reply-To: xi@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:54:47 GMT

The other day when I was watching Olympic report on NBC, I was wondering
weather we had great athelets in Chinese history. 
 Take one example, in the novel "Shui Hu", there are 108 "hao han", I 
bet if they take part in olympic, they could possibley win the following 

 Swim, diving: three brothers of Ruan shi, Lang Li bai tiao ???
 Runngin, walking: Gong shuen sheng?
 Judo: Yan Qing
 Ball: Gao Qiu
 WeightLift: Wu Zhi Sheng
 Gymnastic: Bai Sheng ( the guy capable to steal a lot)
 Of couse: Wu Shu (if Olympic is to be hold in China)
 
 Unfortunatly, those are men, but we have woman.
 In (?) ancient time, we have Fu Hao (she was very strong, I guess she
could compete with everybody), but I wonder did she ever use any drug
or hormane stuff??
 Or, one more thing, Beijing YuanRen may get medal in Gymnatics, high 
bar for sure.

Take it easy , and enjoy the Olympic.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xwang@ug.cs.dal.ca (Roland (Xinlei) Wang)
Subject: On more GOLD Medel for CHINA, and a NEW WORLD record!
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:06:24 GMT

Just watched the live show on CTV, and LIN LI from China won the GOLD Medel
in woman's 200m Medley, her time is 2:11:56, a NEW World record!!

SO GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!

-- 
!  Xinlei (Roland) Wang              - Both name are given. HmHm... 8-|   !
!  Add: 3000 Olivet St. Apt. 103 Halifax, N.S. Canada. Phone:902-453-0565 !
!  E-mail Add: xwang@ug.cs.dal.ca or xinlei@ac.dal.ca                     !
!  DARK NIGHT GIVE US DARK EYES, BUT WE USE IT TO LOOK FOR SUN. -Gu Chen  !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:47:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.045511.8223@dsg.tandem.com> leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung) writes:
>I wonder why some people who are quite eager to bash the Western
>media previously have shown quite remarkable restrains this time
>on the TIME article. Some even defended for the magazine. And where
>are the 92XX action committe/people? Isn't this a golden opportunity
>for them to Yi1 Zhan3 Suo3 Chang2 to show how good they can screw
>people around?
>
>Steven

Gentlman Steven tried to divert the attention to a part of the chinese 
  victims. :-(

Here is one who was on lurk. :-(

Some keys for your question:
    !. Yi2 Dai4 Jiu4 Ren2 Rang4 Xin1 Ren2 ( Old guys recede their 
         positions to young ones.)
   !!. Some may have subscribed Times like me, no hope to get money back. 
        :-(
  !!!. You can't expect American people get the whole picture of China 
         right, when so much, almost exclusively bad, news inside China 
         has been coming out of from everywhere. IT IS MANY OF US who 
         help the people to confirm the poor image. No chinese face can 
         be saved from this minor error.
 !!!!. SOME 9201 "committee people" are just the same sort picky people like 
         you and me. Sorry to have to mention U here. We don't believe
         many things from all kinds of media.
!!!!!. The CFMN bill is closely related to the Protection Bill. IFCSS can't
         simply give up the CFMN bill thus sentences The Protection Biil to 
         death. (Don't ask me why. Hint: logic relationship is also there.) 
         The recent announcement of IFCSS about the Protection Bill viewed 
         Hatians as some threat. H-A, H-e! People should know who are MORE 
         EFFICIENTLY screwing China. Some people just look for help from 
         some unfair politicians to creat more unfairness, in the name of 
         JUSTICE. They call the game politics. They are claiming they are 
         fighting bad men in China, while they are hopless themselves.

Another story: My landlord is a very kind gentlman, he wasn't surprised
    if I had told him that the typical chinese marriages were by our parents, 
    SINCE he was told by an Indian folk that his wife was going to be 
    selected from the 15 girls that his parents had been arranged for him.
    My landlord's response was "really?" when I told him an almost the 
    opposite stories.

Stven, many of our 9201 people are tired of political things. leave us 
alone. Nothing personal here. If you want to discuss 9201 people with
anybody, I think that every person has a big mailbox, you can publicize
a final summary in SCC. 

This summer is really good, green lawns, beautiful flowers, lovely small
animals, showdy trees, old couples...




"The first time I put my eyes on this beautiful world, I spotted a huge
fly on the tip of my nose."  ------ Lao3 Zi3 or 




































                        (BE PATIENT!)



































Xiao3 Zi3


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: test
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:54:21 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Time: China has only 60 swimming pools
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:27:04 GMT

In article <yzhou.711841548@void> yzhou@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Ya Zhou) writes:
>x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
>
Olympic Mathmatics contest:
   China No.1
   U.S.  No.2
   Romania N0.3
   CIA    No4.
Most U.S. team members are ethinic Chinese!
I wonder what U.S. media wills say about this.
Probably: Chinese are high skilled cheaters on Exame!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: A Healthy China Re: Gold, silver and Spratly
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 22:46:00 GMT


China's reaching to Gold in Olympics is a result of its openness
to the world. No Gold was brought to China in Mao's time when
China was completely isolated from the world. NBC's commentator
was obviously stupid on this point. I have called them.

As to the Spratly, China should not show too much of its guts.
First it will give excuse for American to create hostility against
China. Second Chinese navy is no match to the American's at this
time. Third it will make enemy to many Asian countries.

In the mean while China should remove its nortorous Prime Minister
Li Peng.

Raise your right hand: Down with communism!
Raise your left hand: Down with imperialism!

Xiao Li
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,rec.sport.olympics
From: gmclucki@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gemma McLuckie)
Subject: Re: Proud and Angry
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:36:57 GMT


PLEASE TAKE THIS DISCUSSION TO E-MAIL!!

Thank you.
From: yding+@pitt.edu (Yijun Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:35:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Jul30.162636.11042@athena.mit.edu> zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu) writes:
>Also, a few gold medals will not show China is a great strong country at all.
>China will stay as one of the poorest countries even if we got all medals
>in whatever games.  

Apparently, there are few people there who can't enjoy the Olympic game
:')  

Could be that some of them don't know the existence of
talk.politics.china?

-- 
//Yijun Ding, Pittsburgh //
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: sherry@Theory.Stanford.EDU (Sheralyn Listgarten)
Subject: Re: Forwarding - Re: Chicago Tribune: How Zhuang Won Gold Medal
Originator: sherry@Jove.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:08:11 GMT

Wow.  I am amazed at the number of bigoted remarks I've seen on a
quick review of this newsgroup.  Granted, there were probably an equal
number of unbigoted remarks, but the former really stuck out.  I find
it pretty frightening.

With regard to the accusations of steroid abuse, I need only point out
that the evil American media does not restrict its criticisms to the
Chinese.  Anyone remember the trouble with FloJo, for example?  Or is
it that we just pick on blacks and Chinese?

In addition, while good swimmers are necessarily strong, low voices
and acne are certainly not prerequisites.  I swim at Stanford (on the
master's team), and from what I know of the coaches and swimmers
there, I would be very, very surprised to hear of any steroids used
for competitive purposes.

-- Sherry Listgarten.


> If you cannot catch them, just shut your damn mouth up!
> Stop whining!  Take the factor: You are a loser!

> How stupid and ridiculous these nonsenses are !!  If just because of
> the fact that thousands of American or European females look like
> "muscular, deep voices" males, and males look like "Niang2 Niang2
> Qiang1" females, and we conclude that these Americans or Europeans are
> typical "characteristics of steroid abuse", then there are millions of
> such steroid abusers in America and Europe!, then U.S could Besides,
> tell me which swimmer is non-muscular and no acne on their backs??!
> Swimming is a profession that requires strong muscules and solid
> physical base.  Without having any commonsense about sports, You'd
> better shut up and save your time!

> Don't be too jealous when China is becoming strong! This is supposed
> to be an equal Olympic competition! Don't think China is still the
> "Sick Asian" as it used to be! Be open-minded!

> They are jealous,they are finding some excuse for their loss.But at
> the same time,they are damaging other people's reputation.That is the
> ugly face of human being.
From: Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: How to Translate?
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:32:19 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

    Let's do a space-time transformation and return from the Three Kingdoms
period to the time being.

    You are walking along the south shore of Yangzi River, Jing County,
Anhui Province.  As an "old married netter," you suddenly feel the scene
looks familiar.  Oh, yes, you have seen it in the movie "Du4 Jiang1 Zhen1
Cha2 Ji4" (Reconnoitre Cross Yangzi).  "Jiang1 Shan1 Yi1 Jiu4 Zai4," you
find the big trees and the cute stone bridge are still there, the houses
look just same.  You wonder how much time has truly passed, "Ji3 Du4 Xi1
Yang2 Hong2?"

    KMT and PLA ex-generals, or the offsprings of those generals, are now
working together to do business.  The innocent couple in movie "Lu2 Shan1
Lian4" (Falling Love in Mountain Lu Shan), probably, are combining husband's
connections in overseas with wife's connections in PRC, and making handsome
money.

    But, where is the beautiful female guerrilla leader?  Where is the smart
scout company commander?  Did they have a chance to lead a happy life after
the war?  Especially, where is their "spirit of China"?

        "Don't worry about me.  There are too many sisters like me
        haven't get librated."

        Long silence.  Tightly held hands.

        A firm wave.  Rush to the horizon from where the sound of
        explosion and gun shots keep to come in.

    Sit on a rock by the water, let those forgotten memories flash back and
forth.  You cannot help but thinking,

        "All four dimensions of this universe seem to change little,
        But how the human history has made a difference!"

    Dr. Luo, did you have the same feeling when writing "The Three Kingdoms"?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: No Dogs or Chineses
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 04:03:57 GMT

In article <liang.711919174@ash.cs.scarolina.edu> liang@cs.scarolina.edu (Da Dong Liang) writes:
>lix@BUCRSB.BU.EDU writes:
>
......
>
>True. In fact, it was more tensed along the Sino-USSR border at that time.
>Right before the PLA initiated the border operation, Deng visited USA and 
>got promise from Carter that USA would intervene if USSR didn't behave.
>And from the very beginning, China pledged that the operation was restrained
>in scale and time. The purpose was to give Vietnam a warning that it should  
>behave. 
>
>The operation was carried out at rainy season, which was at the advantage of
>Vietnamese jungle-battle-oriented soldiers. Thousands of caves among
>the jungles where the Vietnamese soldiers were hidden took PLA 2-3 weeks to
>destroy, causing quite a lot of casualties. Most of casualties were made by
>Soviet-made plastic mines which were very difficult to detect(PLA's lo-tech). 
>
>But the operation did scare Vietnam. The Vietnamese Premier went to tear when
>he observed the huge loss due to the PLA's successful operation, which was 
>beyond his imagination.
>
When PLA was withdrawing from Vietnam, they burned down every house. put
granades under every utility pole.    

>D-L

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhu@cs.UAlberta.CA (Zhu Yuchen)
Subject: Re: Rock Concert in Bejing
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:34:24 GMT

shi6@chaos.uchicago.edu (Sheldon Shi) writes:
>Madonna and Jackson would be perfect for audiances, but not for the government.
>Phil Collins, Billy Joel etc, more soft stuff, would be good for both.
If they could use Ping Pong to normalize Sino-US relations, why not 
some hard rock to introduce Western spiritual pollution or for some 
other unknown purposes.
>make money out of this. Suppose each ticket is 100 yuan, the stadium 
100 yuan is still too cheap compared to the western stardard (six times
lower?). But it IS a big deal for average people in China, I guess. 
If you ask people to pay more, you would probably start wondering if 
Capital Workers' Stadium is a bit too big.

=zyc(ECIT,UofA)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: leung@DSG.Tandem.COM (Steven Leung)
Subject: Re: 4 Chuan and China
Organization: Tandem Computers
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:01:11 GMT

bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System) writes:
> I believe the original proverb means Shu
>  Xian Tian Xia Zhi Luan Er Luan
                     ????    ????
>  Hou  Tian Xia Zhi Le   Er Le.

I think the original one is
  Xian Tian Xia Zhi You Er You
  Hou  Tian Xia Zhi Le  Er Le
I think it is from Fan4 Zhong4 Yan1, but not sure.

Steven
------
328. Seek opportunity, not security. ...
        - Life's Little Instruction Book by H. J. Brown, Jr.
From: yjj@prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu (Yuan Jiang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: NBC Commentators talking about China
Date: 27 Jul 92 21:32:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
X-Posted-From: prometheus.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <84439@netnews.upenn.edu> vorchez@retina.anatomy.upenn.edu (Cameron Campbell) writes:
>Hi, 
>
>I am surprised that no one has commented yet on the absolutely offensive
>way the NBC commentators introduced the PRC team when they entered the
>stadium in Barcelona.  I think they basically summarized the Time 
>article that we have been discussing, they said something like
>'The PRC team - one of the last Stalinist style athletic organizations

Cool down.  Why people are so jumpy these days.  He said "East German
style" not Stalin style.  I see many people here very emotional and
hear anything that does not please them.

>in the world... children sent to special schools when they are very 
>young... where they are trained with who knows what methods...  etc.'
>I thought the remark about being trained with 'who knows what methods'
>was really offensive because it makes it sound like they are being given
>electric shocks if they don't perform well or something awful.  I was
>so angry when I heard them say this that I called the local NBC 
>affiliate and complained.  
>
>Anyway, it is another example of how the media in the United States
>has been abusing China.  
>
>Cameron D. Campbell
>
>P.S. If someone video-taped the ceremony, maybe they could post an 

I did.

I can also tell you what methods are used in the athletic system.  I was in
low level (part time) of the system for about 5 years.  10-15 year-old
kids swam 4-7 km a day, 7days a week.  In winter, we swam in a pool,
which was either too cold (17C degrees) or had too much chlorine (because
the water was too dirty).  We did not have swimming gogles until many
years later.
The pool was like a gas chamber with heavy chlorine.  We swam with
our eyes open.  We caughed all day because of the chlorine.  In summer,
we swam in a lake to which a plastic palnt and a hospital nearby dumped their
waste into.  The plant releases unbearible gas, which makes you vomit.

Maybe the swimmers' condition was not the worse.  At least I'm appear to
be healthy.  Maybe the chlorine helped to kill flu virus.  The players of
the volleyball team of the city athletic school were all transfered to
my elementary school in the 5th grade because we were near the athletic
school.  At the age of 12-13, the players all had body injuries.  Many
arms had been broken several times.  Many had back and muscle problems.

The part-time athlets were drug free.  I remember that a few years ago
a Chinese women swimmer (Zhuang Yong?) was banned from competetion
From: ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU (IFCSS HQ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: IFCSS HQ Special Report 4018: Protection-Bill Working Net
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:14:41 GMT


**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters Special Report No. 4018       July 29, 1992
           PROTECTION BILL WORKING NET SET
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu


             Protection Bill Working Net Set
             ===============================

Dear IFCSS members:

     The IFCSS HQ has set up an email network exclusively
for exchanging information on the 1992 Chinese student 
protection bill and for coordinating the ongoing nation-
wide activities in support of the legislation.

     To join the network, please send names, school and
addresses to:

     lobby-request@library.uta.edu

     Mr. Ding Jian will be the manager of the net.

     Please note: This net is an IFCSS special working
net which should be used exclusively for supporting
the protection bill. Irrelevant messages should be
sent to other regular networks such as China-net and
SCC, etc. 

     IFCSS official announcements regarding the protection
bill will still be posted in regular networks for a 
certain period, but gradually they will be limited to
the lobby-net only in order to help cut down the flow
of emails. Important announcements regarding the bill
will be posted in regular net under the form of HQ
Special Report, and summaries of the progress and 
activities on the bill will be included in the Biweekly
Report in order to keep the general CSS community 
informed. 

     Other HQ reports will continue to use China-net as
the major carrier.
 
     The lobby-net has now more than 300 subscribers.
Mr. Ding Jian has made a big contribution to the lobby
efforts by establishing and running the net.

     Thanks for your attention.

***************************************************************
         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
***************************************************************
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From: gsun@cs.purdue.EDU (Gang Sun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Who_care_what_you_think?
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:56:57 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University


In article <9207292236.AA07751@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu>, xzhu@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu (Xiaowu Zhu) writes:
|> 
|> 	Hello netters :
|> 	  I kept on reading articles in this news group about Olympic
|> 	  games. A lot of complaints, a lot of unsatisfactions on 
|> 	  how NBC reported the games on TV. 
|> 	  Who care it ?
|> 	  Who care what you think about their reports ?
|> 	  Here is America, not China. Americans only are interested in
|> 	  their victories in Olympic games. Why should they spend time
|> 	  watching other countries' victories in the games ?
|> 	  Nobody invites you to come here. You can see what you want
|> 	  to see about the Olympic games on TV in your (our) own
|> 	  country. Why are you(we) here in America ?
|> 	  Americans --- the people of this country have right to see
|> 	  what they want to see on TV in their own country.
|> 	  Never forget, WE ARE FOREIGNERS HERE.
|> 
|> 
|> 	  I pray for the victories of China Olympic team.

I agree with Mr. Zhu.  We should always bear in mind that
we are foreigners here.
From: leave@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca (Leave Database System)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: San1 Mao2's books
Date: 30 Jul 92 15:31:07 GMT
Organization: Defence and Civil Institute of Environmental Medicine

In article <QLONG.92Jul28172030@themis.cs.umass.edu> QLONG@CS.UMASS.EDU writes:
>On 28 Jul 92 18:52:28 GMT, hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan Liu)
>wrote(>):
>
>> 
>> Because you don't like their novels, you label them as junk and drug?
>> Or because they are women, you don't feel like to read wommen's books?
>> I liked and still like both San Mao's and Qiong Yao's books.  I feel
>> very bad that I waited on the West Lake in Hangzhou but did not meet San
>  ^^^^^^^^^
>> Mao when she was visiting Hangzhou.  I feel very sorry that I would never
>					      ^^^^^^^^^^
>have a chance to see her.
>
>
>Huh, you are that kind of typical girl in their stories :-)

Well then you must be one of those typical boy that are good for nothing
but putdowns.  I guess boys can't be expected to have a grown up 
discussion about books. :-)


Selina Glynn
DCIEM Toronto