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From: cchang@pdsf.ssc.gov (Charles Chang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: 1084s monitor <--> IIgs pinout wanted
Keywords: Commdore, Apple, 1084S, RGB
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:38:03 GMT
Reply-To: cchang@quasar.ssc.gov
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory, Dallas, Texas

In article <1992Oct5.032526.29701@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, chang@ee.ualberta.ca (Wuichong Chang) writes:
+> Is anyone use the Commodore's 1084s monitor for their IIgs ?
+> If you know the pinout of the RGB connection please send me mail
+> about the connection.


I don't have an IIgs so I am not sure if IIgs RGB port has the same
pinouts as my IIe's extended 80 col./RGB card (DB15 connector).  But
three weeks ago I successfully hooked up a 1084s (DB9 connector) to the
IIe.

I didn't actually made the cable myself.  I spent $17 to get a company
called InterCable (214-506-7040) custom made for me.  The technician I
spoke with was Wyatt Sledge.  Before I went to them, I have called both
Commodore and Apple to try to get the pinouts, but I was not able to get
to talk to their technicians.  Mr. Sledge called them for me and he got
thru.

I was told that basically 1084s is IBM CGA pinouts.  I think IIgs owner
can give you more info on IIgs RGB connector. 

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From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: >>Gudat, Shepherd
Date: 7 Oct 92 22:31:19 GMT

Re: "illegal"

Yes, that would be politically incorrect, then, wouldn't it? :)

- Eric S.

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From: cd866@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc Sira)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Modzap quits????????
Date: 12 Oct 1992 04:30:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cd866@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Marc Sira)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, gleparc@pro-scat.cts.com (German Leparc) says:

> I agree... ModZAP is the best. SoniqTracker is nice, but it can't handle
>some effects that MODZap can. I always get "Unknown Effect!"... and even
>if it "knows" the effect, it doesn't come out as good as it does on ModZap.
>I have an Amiga 500, and I can tell how a MOD is supposed to sound...

I know I shouldn't post on this thread, but...

If you have MZ, sT, and an Amoeba, can you tell me:
are songs like Enigma and DragonsFunk really supposed to sound as
terribly choppy as they do with soniqTracker? Enigma sounded great with
an older version of MODZap (before the player graphics changed) but with
later versions it sounds just like soniqTracker...choppy. How does it
sound on the Amiga?
I had to keep two versions of MZ around for awhile there, just to play
that MOD the way I liked it B-).

Marc
From: stgeorge@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Steve George)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Trouble with VIAD
Date: 7 Oct 92 20:05:01 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

blaby@fraser.sfu.ca (John Edward Blaby) writes:
>schultp@wl.com (Paul Schultz) writes:
>
>>Has anyone had trouble getting Disk1 of VIAD to un-shrink?
>>I grabbed it off c.b.a2 when it came through, Disk2 un-shrank
>>but disk1 coughed up a lung! So, I went to ccosun.caltech.edu
>
>>Anyone else with similar problems or is it just me?
>
>I also had trouble with disk1 from c.b.a2 and I also grabbed the disk
>from ccosun . I had no problems with that one at all. The VIAD game

The part of disk1 which was described as D1.15-20 never reached this site.
All other parts of both disks made it here.  Unfortunately, without the above
section, both disks are totally useless... Could someone re-post (or email if
this is the only site missing D1.15-20) please?
Thanks,
Steve George
From: bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (j.l.walters)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Fire Organ
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:29:39 GMT
Organization: AT&T

How/what does one do with the recent posting of the file: Fire Organ?
There used to be a DOS 3.3 program of the same name that generated
beautiful color kalidiscope pictures. Is this a ProDOS version? If
so, how do I launch it? The file type is: User #2 (as I remember).

Thanks for your response.
-- 


				Joe Walters att!ihlpw!bird   
				IH 2A-227 (708) 979-9527
From: mh001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (M. W. Hacker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Memory tester? & chip number
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:16:50 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Two things,

1)  The FAQ mentioned a memory tester in AWGS.  Is this in version 1.0
or just in version 1.1?  If it is in 1.0 then where is it?  How can
I run it?  If not, are there any other memory tester (freeware,shareware)
that will test a apple 1M card?

2)  I need to find out the manufacturer of the chips in my RamFast.
I called LRO the other day and was told that the older CV Tech roms
had compatabilty problems with chips made by Sanyo [spelling?]
The number on my chip is:

AAA1M304P-08                  (256K by 4 @ 80ns)
NMBS 9202        

Unfortunately, when I left for college I had to leave some of
my reference books at home.  :-(

Thanks,
-- 

Matthew W. Hacker                           mh001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
                                            AppleII forever!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Subject: Re: Stylewriter on a GS
Organization: Rice University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 07:19:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.213456.26948@vela.acs.oakland.edu> mkheintz@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Michael Heintz) writes:
>
>You're welcome.  You'd do better with a DeskJet 500 or DeskWriter printer
>because they also have built in fonts that you can use from ProDOS 8
>based programs (but graphics are still not supported from ProDOS 8

Actually, the DeskWriter doesn't have any built in fonts, so you can't
easily print from 8-bit applications or GS/OS programs that don't use
the Print Manager.


-- 
Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)
From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: wafmail
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:17:53 GMT
Organization: L/A Blues BBS - Auburn ME (207) 777-3465 & 7782

I'm sorry that my missive to my sysop got onto the net!!  But as Matt is 
more than happy to tell you, I'm not too smart.         Sorry

InterNet: larry@lablues.UUCP
FidoNet:  1:132/300 Larry Schneider

0 ----> Kernel ----> Ring    207=379-3181
           ^         ^   
The         \       /     Larry Schneider 
"Clearly"    \     /      Bright Software
Functor       \   /        P. O. Box 120
commutes        0       Exeter, ME 04435-0120
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: woody@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Michel Bois)
Subject: Wanted GS systems
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 16:47:01 EDT

Hi, I'm posting this for a member of our user group.

----------

 
Isolated, Sub-Arctic native school
looking for used GS Systems at a
cheap price. Programs too.
Call David Lewis at 418-585-3433 (or 3811)
Write to Box 520, Schefferville
Quebec, Canada, G0G-2T0
 
-----------
 
Woody.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: jms@ausom.oz.au (Jean-Marie Soudy)
Subject: Prometheus Versacard
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:37:13 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

I would like to bring back to live a Prometheus Versacard.

The problem is: I got no manual for it and look like a lot of dip switches
terminators, and jumpers on it..

So far the hit and miss tactic don't seem to work.

Anyone with any information? is it software driven?
is it a clock, parallel and serial card? can it talk?

Any info mucho appreciated..

Cheers!!
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From: unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu (Matt Ackeret)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Jog My Memory....
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:27:27 GMT
Organization: apple
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
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In article <1992Oct13.083210.21705@actrix.gen.nz> ,
David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>In article <imcJsB2w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> bjohnson@sys6626.bison.mb.ca 
>(Brian Johnson) writes:
>> 
>> My question is.. Does anyone know if this card (QRAM-GS) can use 1 MEGx9 
>> SIMMS? or is the design restricted to 1 MEGx8 SIMMS. I dunno, because the 
>> card was sent to me with "0" documentation and further more, sent as a 
>> One MEG card which since I have learned is in fact a 4 MEG card.
>
>There should be no problem using 1 MEG x 9 SIMMs.  They are compatible
>with the 1 MEG x 8 ones, but use one additional pin to get data
>to/from the extra RAM chip.  This pin is unused on an 8-bit SIMM.

Actually, the guy who used to be on here and worked at Quality
Computers (obviously I don't recall his name) said he tried 1 meg *9
SIMMs one time and they didn't work..  At the time, he hadn't went into
further exploration as to *why* it didn't work.

No, doesn't make sense to me either.
unknown@apple.com
unknown@ucscb.ucsc.edu				Apple II Forever!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: bird@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (j.l.walters)
Subject: Re: Is Deskjet 500 better than DeskWriter? (2nd request)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:07:15 GMT

From article <1b7ff7INNc5p@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, by cd248@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Sherman):
> Sun Remarketing is selling the HP Deskwriter (refurb.) for $299.  Is
> there any advantage to getting the deskjet 500 over the deskwriter?? 

No! Get the DeskWriter and SuperPatch 8.0 from Quality for superb text
from AppleWorks Classic, Independence from Seven Hills for great 16
(slow) printing.
-- 


				Joe Walters att!ihlpw!bird   
				IH 2A-227 (708) 979-9527
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: johnt@meaddata.com (John Townsend)
Subject: RamFAST and IIgs Serial Crystal
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:40:10 GMT

Yesterday, I took my ROM 01 IIgs into a local "unofficial" Apple dealer to
have the motherboard checked out, due to occasional 0911 fatal errors and
lockups.  He ran some diagnostics on it, and didn't find any problems, except
that when my RamFAST (Rev. D, latest ROM) was installed the diagnostics
reported that the serial crystal was bad.  The same thing happened when he
did it on a second motherboard.  The RamFAST seems to work just fine, but
sometimes the computer does lock up when I do print captures from ProTerm 3.
Anybody know what's going on here?

-- 
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From: uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: A sound CDev problem is diagnosed! Apple people...read me!
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:07:24 GMT

It's a well-known fact that the startup sound is left in RAM after it's
played.  That's because it's handled by the same code that deals with the
other sounds, which are kept in RAM to make beeping not have to wait until
the sound is loaded from disk.

There have been complaints about it.  Hopefully 6.0.1 will special-case
this, but there are more important things to attend to.

- Eric S.

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"Apple II Forever!"   is a trademark of Apple Computer, Inc.
						 Isn't that ironic?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lunatic@netcom.com (Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex)
Subject: Re: >Colorful snow
Organization: Netcom; Renegade User
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:19:35 GMT

In article <19921006.132630.181@almaden.ibm.com> Pauley@vnet.ibm.com (Paul Benson) writes:
>In <uerics.718326705@mcl> Eric D. Shepherd writes:
>>Ever since I installed System 6, I've been having occasional random
>>problems with all the icons of a given type (like, say, all the "document"
>
>Sounds familiar, though it never happened to me.  I think it had something to
>do about having an Icon that was assigned to '*' in your ICONS folder.  Ask
>Lunatic, he's hip to these things.
>
    |
    |_ucky I decided to read through comp.sys.apple2 this week/month.
 I've been pretty much ignoring it, lately, in favour of GEnie.  The
 density of information is much higher, there (better signal to noise
 ratio :) and Matt's on at least once every day since he's the head
 sysop of A2Pro....
 
     _
    /-\nyway, for problems like these, and the ones in the original
 post, I recommend the following two steps:
 
    1)  Re-install Finder.  If that doesn't do it, you've got a bit
 of work ahead of you... read on.
 
    2)  Launch your favourite icon editor.  Create a new icon file.
 Open one of your icons files.  Copy all of the icons from the old
 file into the new file.  Save that new file on top of your old
 file (replacing the old file on disk).  Repeat this procedure for
 all of your icon files.  (I said it was going to be a bit of work,
 didn't I?)  What this does is insures that none of your icon files
 are corrupted on disk.
 
    ][n the process of going through #2, you may find one or more
 really weird icons that seem to be either really huge or some strange
 shape.  That'll be your corrupted icon file.
     _
    (_)ne other thing to keep in mind is that you shouldn't have too
 many icons in each file.  Finder starts to choke when your icon files
 get too big.  I recommend having only up to about 50 icons per file.
 I have some that are up to 70 or 80 icons, but all the icons in them
 are really small, so the file size is about the same as some other
 files that have only 50 or so icons in them.
     _
    |_
    |inally, if none of the above works, you may have something
 installed that's running around and stepping on things it shouldn't.
 Try shift-booting, or removing/adding a few DAs/inits/CDevs at a
 time.

 

 So hip to icons he can wear 'em like a pair of tight jeans, this is...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: 78313@novell1.rz.fht-mannheim.de (Christian_Karpp)
Subject: Creating sounds
Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik Mannheim
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:35:02 GMT

Hi,

I'd like to know if there's a simple way using the GS sound tools to produce steady-tones at a given frequency and duration.
The tone don't have to be a special one, any type of simple sine-tone would do...
Maybe there's already a pgm somewhere out there where you select the desired frequency and duration and the pgm will play it (it should be capable of a wide frequency-range)...?

Send any hints and tips to the address above - thank you!

Christian Karpp
FHT Mannheim, FRG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
id <m0me89A-0000OfC@crash.cts.com>; Sun, 11 Oct 92 11: 36 PDT
	id <jb41585@pro-nsdapple.cts.com>; Sun, 11 Oct 92 11: 33 PDT
From: meistro@pro-nsdapple.cts.com (Brian Plume)
Subject: Modem question
Organization: ProLine [pro-nsdapple] - North San Diego Apple Users Group
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 11:32:30 PDT

Ok, hello again.  This time I have a question about a modem that I
just bought.  I THOUGHT I had all the fine tuning done, but
apparently not, becuz it seems that when I call places, sometimes
it will connect 2400/mnp compressed, but it just sets there, and
does nothing.  I hit return a zillion times and nothing....no login.
This seems to only happen at 2400 baud connections. 
If it helps any, here are my present modem init commands: 
 
AT\N6\Q3\J\V1%C1X4L1E0S11=50
 
Like I said before, I thought I figured everything out last nite 
(I just bought this thing yesterday) but I guess not.  Any help
would be greatly appreciated.  Oh, the name of the modem is called
"TurboModem PLUS".  I have no idea who the company is, unless they
are also called Turbomodem PLUS.  Please let me know if I should take
this modem back and get something else.  This was an impulse buy if
I ever saw one!  I kinda just JUMPED into the 9600 baud modem game,
I didn't research anything.  The box that it came in says it has
V.32bis, V.42bis and MNP 5
V.42 and MNP2-4 
9600 bps Group III send/receive Fax 
 
Please be honest and tell me if I bought something shitty. 
 
Meistro
From: aa783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Spaeth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: A sound CDev problem is diagnosed!  Apple people...read me!
Date: 10 Oct 1992 18:50:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Spaeth)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I have mentioned my problems with the sound cdev previously, and I finally
resolved them only by cutting down BIG TIME on the number and size of the
sounds I used and killing a few CDA/NDA/CDEV, etc...

Now that I have a nice heft hard drive, I hooked my stereo into the Sonic
Blaster and digitized "Also Sprach Zarathustra" (the intro to 2001)
thinking it would make an awesome startup sound...

I took this Raw sound and converted it to and rSound with rSounder, and
intalled this 840k, 90 second BEAST of a sound as my startup sound (anyone
want it?  It sounds great!)

Well I finally went into the "about finder" dialog, and saw that I suddedly
had about 840 less k free than last time I booted...

Whick brought me to the conclusion that... THE SOUND CDEV ALLOCATES MEMORY
FOR THE SOUNDS THEN LEAVES IT THERE!

HOW STUPID!  It doesn't need to keep my 840k sound in memory... it's only
going to play it once... I can see it being a time saving thing fro people
running off 3.5 to keep frequently used sounds in memory (whoosh
open/closed... insert/eject disk, etc)  but not ones like startup and
shutdown sounds!

Is there anyone at apple who could take this into consideration and maybe
change it for system 6.01?  doesn't seem like it would be that hard to
implement a small option to check which sounds you would like to stay
active in memory and which ones should be only loaded as needed

Does this sound feasable?

later...

-- Mark Spaeth
-- Sysop of the Cleveland Freenet Apple // sig

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: lepard@mayo.edu (Kevin O. Lepard)
Subject: To Dennis Cardoza (sorry folks)
Reply-To: lepard@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:54:59 GMT


---
Dennis

I lost your email address.  Please email me.

Kevin
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kevin O. Lepard
Internet:  lepard@mayo.edu

Disclaimer:  These opinions are mine alone and do not necessarily represent
those of the Mayo Foundation, Mayo Clinic, or any other person or institution.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: slhood@bluemoon.rn.com (Stephen L. Hood)
Subject: Re: MODZap fiasco?
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 16:44:18 EDT

irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy) writes:

> In order to avoid mentioning names, let me just say that there is a small but
> incredibly vocal minority of GS users who seem to object to free software in
> general and MODZap in particular.  Unfortunately, all of 1 person told me the
> liked the program (big kudos to Steve Bilgrien if you read this feed) as 
> opposed to the 15 or 20 mails I got condemming it as a "piece of shit" and
> "the worst thing I've ever had the displeasure to use on my GS".  Therefore,
> the nays have it and I'm no longer developing MODZap, and have scaled back
> work on other IIgs stuff in favor of my 486.  (note that I personally am 
> running MODZap 0.85 which is pretty cool, but nobody else will ever see it 
> after the fiasco).

        This is quite interesting.  You say yourself that there is a 
"small...minority" of GS users who dislike MODZap.  So, you conclude that 
"the nays have it" and cut your development.  I'm sorry, but you make no 
sense.
        Ian, this is so like you.  Of the hundreds of your messages that I 
have read, almost _every_single_one_ has included some hint of martyrdom.  
Even when you answer a question, you chide the questioner.  Comments such 
as "Well, NT won't do that for you, and never will...what you need is 
MegaTracker, but you can't get it yet!" seem to be par for the course.
        You don't need anyone to tell you that you can program well.  
Hell, you have remarkable capabilities, and it's obvious from the software 
you've written.  Who do you think you're getting revenge on by throwing 
up your proverbial resignation?  I can assure you that the lowlifes that 
insulted you in the first place won't care.  But the rest of us certainly 
will!
        You're now working with a 486, you say.  You appear quite bitter 
towards Apple users in general.  However, I think that time will prevail 
in this situation.  The fact that you're still reading this newsgroup -- 
and, indeed, this message -- shows that you haven't abandoned the Apple.
        My advice, if you'll take it, is to ignore the useless complaints 
and focus on the people who support your work -- a group that is _much_ 
larger than you suspect!

(By the way, I love MODZap.  Looks like you've got two supporters!  GASP!)


;-)




| Stephen L. Hood                  Ask me about GNO/ME, the multitasking |
|  Micro Center, Inc.                    environment for the Apple IIGS! |
|  slhood@bluemoon.rn.com                  "My Woz, my Woz, why have you |
|  slhood@pro-works.cts.com                               abandoned me?" |
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Looking for Apple Writer for ][+
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:13:49 GMT

Help!  My mother destroyed her only copy of Apple Writer.  I'm looking
for a copy that will run on a ][+ (48K).  I will gladly pay a
reasonable fee (say, $5) to anyone willing to make a copy and mail it.
Please reply by e-mail.

Thanks!
John Ampe

ampe@cbnews.att.com
ampe@wisny.att.com
From: jeffh@apple.com (Jeff Holcomb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Orca bashing (was Re: Amrit, C/C++)
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:58:41 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <uerics.719135119@mcl>, uerics@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eric D. Shepherd)
wrote:
> 
> Orca/C isn't bad.  But it _is_ slow, and it does have bugs.  I'm not
> blasting, I'm stating a fact.  If you don't believe that, try using
> Orca/C.  It's unfortunate that the Byte Works doesn't think it's
> worthwhile to improve the speed (although, I admit, bug fixes are more
> important).

FYI, Mike recently said on GEnie that he is working on making ORCA/C faster
for version 2.0.  Apparently enough people have complained that he finally
saw the light.  :-)

--
Jeff Holcomb
Apple ATG System Software     (408) 974-0841
Internet: jeffh@apple.com   AppleLink: JEFFH
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