From: cworth@oavax.csuchico.EDU (CHUCK WORTH)
Subject: Re: slamming Women's Bookstores
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Reply-To: cworth@oavax.csuchico.EDU
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:49:58 GMT

In article: chris@psych.toronto.EDU (Chris Hitchcock) writes:
> <stuff deleted>
>One thing about which I'm curious is whether affirmative action *has*
>in fact resulted in hiring discrimination against men, that is,
>whether in fact women (and minorities) are now being hired out of
>proportion in (i) the set of people applying for jobs and (ii) their
>proportion in the general population. The cynic in me wouldn't be
>surprised to discover that even with all of this "positive
>discrimination" the actual statistics remain skewed in favour of white
>males. And the other part of me would like to know how concerned I
>really ought to be about the impact of this practice.
>
>Anyone have any recent statistics (eg, number of male and female
>applicants and number of males and femalse hired in universities with
>and without AA programs in the past 5 years?)?

 OK, here's some "cookies for the mind".  Source: Am. Council on Educ.
 (1989).  __1989-90 Factbook on Higher Education__ (actually compiled
 from a whole bunch of various Federal Reports.  The data is pertinent
 to your query, but alas, not definitive (univ's don't report enough
 to really answer all the Q's that are relevant to Aff. Action).

 Doctor's Degrees awarded (a sampling by year): rough index of faculty
 pool availability:
                             Total    Women    %Women
               1947-48        3989      493       12%
               1964-65       16467     1775       11%
               1972-73       34790     4215       12%
               1985-86       33653    11834       35%

 Women as a % of full-time instruct'l faculty in Public U's with rank
 of...
                        All ranks     Full Prof     Asst Prof     Instructors
               1972-73        17%            7%           20%            44%
               1985-86        20%            7%           33%            57%

 If we take "Asst Profs" as the entry level job for faculty and
 compare it to the degrees awarded, it looks like an approximate
 parity is achieved (I'm not sure it would be entirely correct to say
 Aff Action either works or fails based on this data).

 Final "factoid" (in case your ultimate career goal is to ever rise to
 the so-called top of the academic hierarchy...)

 Number of Four-year Public Institutions headed by Women...
       1975       16 (that's sixteen Inst'ns)  0.9% (9/10 of 1%)
       1987       39                           7.6%

 I'd say, based on these numbers, that Aff. Action efforts have not
 disproportionately disadvantaged white males so far.  (Two
 parenthetic points: 1st, it's probably safe to assume that ALL Public
 U's have AA programs.  Second, all minorities totalled less than 10%
 ofDoctor's Degrees awarded (in 84-85)).

                                     Regards,   Chuck W.

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 Chuck Worth            California State University, Chico
 CWORTH@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU

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