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From: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: IDE vs. SCSI costs.
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:10:22 GMT
Reply-To: Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren)
Organization: THULOS!, STROMSTAD, SWEDEN
OD-Comment-To: George_Robbins


 GR> This especially comes across in the flaming about the IDE drive.  Nobody
 GR> seems to want to really talk about how well it works or doesn't, just
 GR> that SCSI is what they think it should have and *everyone* should pay for.

OK, so you have a point. BUT! Consider the price for buying ONE Quantum LP 240
drive at CONSUMER price in Sweden, including sales taxes: US$ 1300 for SCSI,
US$ 1200 for IDE. No big deal, huh? AND imagine an A4000 user, with two IDE
drives, 240 MB each making a backup. To DISK. Half-speed HD disks. NOT FUN AT
ALL! It would nearly take half a day, and require hundreds of disks. Am I
too hard in my example? I think not, 480 MB storage is what people need today,
if using the computer either as a BBS system, or for DTP etc. This is why SCSI
is so good! Just attach the streamer, and off you go...
TELL ME: How many bucks does CBM save on the IDE interface in the A4000 vs.
the SCSI in A3000? How much of this reflects on the consumer price of the
A4000? CBM can keep on rambling about how much cheaper IDE is vs. SCSI, but if
it all matters about a few nickles, why bother at all with IDE?

 GR> Nowhere near as many folks as should have have SCSI attached backup
 GR> devices.

Any sane person with a harddisk larger than 150 MB would buy a streamer if
(s)he could afford it. Backup to disk is a nightmare, EVERYONE knows this.

 GR> All the A4000 does is say that folks with special needs have to pay some
 GR> increment over the base model to address those needs.

Considering the power machine the A4000 really is, it is remarkable that CBM
has made this decision. IDE backup devices are by no means easy to come by,
I've NEVER seen them advertised anywhere, and attaching one effectively halves
your IDE expandability. Even more funny is that CBM waits until next year to
announce a SCSI controller for the A4000...


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From: rsc@flower.hao.ucar.edu (Bob Campbell)
Subject: Re: Spirit Inmate in 500+
Reply-To: rsc@flower.hao.ucar.edu (Bob Campbell)
Organization: High Altitude Observatory/NCAR, Boulder CO
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:20:09 GMT

I've been told that Spirit Technologies went out of business.  (I have an
IN-1000) I haven't really looked for them thoroughly, but I can't find them anywhere. 
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Monitors for A4000 - suggestions?
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:29:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

FelineGrace@cup.portal.com (Dana B Bourgeois) writes:

>This just in from Electronic Design News:

>27 in. color monitor

>Misubishi Electronics America
>Professional Electronics Div.
>800 Cottontail Lane
>Somerset, NJ  08873
>908.302.2855   FAX: 908.563.0713

>AM-2752A color monitor.  compatible with SECAM, NTSC and PAL video.
>15.5 to 39KHz horizontal and 45 to 100 Hz vertical scan rates.

>Dynamic beam balancing to maintain focus at screen edge.  $3700


>Seems a bit expensive and a touch large for a computer monitor but I
>thought the info. worth passing on.  Now, O Video Gurus.  If this baby
>came in a 15 or 17 inch size for about $800 street price, could it be
>hooked up to A2000/3000/4000 machines?

>Dana Bourgeois @ cup.portal.com

Mitsubishi actually makes smaller ones.  They (at least) used to make
a 13(14?)" and a 16" version.  I am using a 13" on my Amiga 2000 (w/o 
deinterlacer).  It displays every mode including NTSC and PAL.  It 
can handle 1024x768 of my SVGA (on my Bridgeboard's side), so I would think
it should work with every A4000 mode.

I am not sure whether Mitsubishi is still making these monitors... if 
people care, I will post Mitsubishi's phone number.  BTW, my monitor
also has a composite-in... for those who needs to do video.   

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: New Amiga(s) Expansi
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 00:33:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>: > Organization: The Portal System (TM)

  [ 25 lines of text deleted ]

>: Its not that big of a deal.  How many people actualy have multiple SCSI
>: drives?
>
>True, it's not that big a deal to add a SCSI controller but since you asked..
>I'm one of those people that have multiple drives and a tape backup. :)

  The above _2_ lines were the only added lines of reply!  99% of the
article was not needed.

  [ 135!!!!!! lines of useless quoted text deleted ]

>:
>: --- Maximus 2.00

Could we PLUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE condense quoted articles.  I'm worn
out by searching 100-200 lines of quoted text for only 2-3 lines of added
material.  If you need to keep a reply in context, cut most everything and
give us a synopppsis if need be.

It also cloggs the already heavily used internet and may help sysadmins to
consider dropping the "bulkier", higher S/N ratio newsgroups. 

It sure would make me a happy camper :-)

-Joel
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From: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A500 hardware question
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:58:35 GMT
Reply-To: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

The small ceramic devices that look like capaitors with three legs are EMI
filters. They consist of a capacitor (with or without inductors) that limit
unwnted high frequency emmisions to keep the FCC happy. if you can't get
replacement filters you can jumper the two outside pads together (the center
pad is ground) to restore normal operation. The amount of extra emmisions
should be negligible but if you do this we are not responsible for the FCC
breaking down your door, hauling you off to jail, and beating you silly to
make you promise to never violate the laws of the airwaves.
:
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From: ah897@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert Lai)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Supra Ram 500 RX
Date: 9 Oct 1992 06:28:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



I have a SupraRam 500 RX, with one meg of 4x256 ZIPS installed.
Having left my instructions at home, I need to know how to 
reconfigure the jumpers when I install a second meg of 4 x 256 ZIPS.

Can someone who has one send me the instructions?

Thanks

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: rsc@hao.ucar.edu (Bob Campbell)
Subject: RE: Spirit IN-1000 clock (leap year)
Reply-To: rsc@hao.ucar.edu (Bob Campbell)
Organization: High Altitude Observatory/NCAR, Boulder CO
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:11:46 GMT

If you reply to may last message, don't send mail to flower.  Use the addresses
in my .sig below.  Sorry.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: A4000 graphics
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:51:53 GMT

nilsco@ifi.uio.no (Nils Liaaen Corneliusen) writes:


>I have followed the "Avoid the Amiga 4000" debate and would like to have the
>following questions answered:

>Fact: All old screenmodes will be shown with scanlines/flicker because the
>the A4000 has no flickerfixer.

>1. Will old type flickerfixers work for these modes?

  Yes. You won't get 24-bit color however (12-bit).

>2. Does the double pal mode support full overscan?

  Maximum screen size in DblPAL is 676*1128 and 676*564 (lace/non-laced 
respectively).

>3, Is the promotion mode smart enough to open ALL new screens in this mode?

  As the machine is shipped from CBM, no. However there is a patch available
by Nico Francois that does this. The patch is called `a2ntsc11.lha' and is
available from amiga.physik.unizh.ch

>4. If I add a flickerfixer, is it possible to combine the two monitor
>   connectors so I don't have to change cables all the time? I WANT flickerfree
>   old resolutions AND the new ones without a lot of switching and plugging.

  Don't know about that one. Sorry. I suppose you will need an A4000-specific
flickerfixer (24-bit) in order to make that work.

>Nils Corneliusen                           Heyerdahls vei 17
>internet: nilsco@ifi.uio.no                OSLO, Norway
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From: et5j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Mario Giannella)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace
Subject: WANTED:  Broken A1950 multisync monitors
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:43:18 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

Hello.  Has your A1950 monitor died as has mine?  Do you find that having it
fixed is too costly to justify, and you would rather buy another monitor 
instead?

Well, I would like to buy your broken A1950 monitor to cannabalize for spare
parts.

Thanks,
Mario Giannella
mg@lns61.tn.cornell.edu   or   mg@crnlns.bitnet
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000 (NOT!)
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:25:28 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <Bw1C8v.1J2@comspec.com> davec@comspec.com (Dave Carlton) writes:
> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes in article <1b5hs7INNdng@gap.caltech.edu>:
> | Hmmm.. you must have seen a different A4000 than I did.  The one I used had
> | many annoying flickers and shimmerings to the video quality.  Only a few of 
> | the modes were usable, unless you could tolerate some flicker or shimmer.
> | The "shimmer" seemed to result from hig-color modes.  Maybe this was
> | just a function of the monitor (1960), but who knows.  The displays I saw
> | weren't all that crisp.
> 
>  I agree. Another noticable problem is the fringing in HAM modes. These people
> that constantly say the A4000 has 24-bit graphics have most assuredly NOT seen
> the real thing, and are in dreamland.

The 24-bit 256 of 16M is for real, please don't forget that.  As to whether HAM
is comptetive to 16 or 24-bit true color is another question, but please note that
AGA 8-bit HAM is provides 4X the pixel density and more colors than the original
Amiga HAM mode.  True-color it ain't but it's visually a lot better than it used
to be.  The biggest problem with HAM is that it provides only limited instananeous
changes to all 3 color components, resulting in some "color error", AGA 8-bit ham
provides more base colors and allows changing all components in the spatial area
equivalent to one old lo-res HAM pixel.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: rhealey@kas.helios.mn.org (Rob Healey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:06:06 GMT
Organization: Rob's home system, Hopkins, MN

In article <n0ba0t@ofa123.fidonet.org> Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
=> With the A4000, it is no longer possible to purchase a monitor that will
=> only
=> handle scan frequencies of 31Khz and up.  If an Amiga problem insists on
=> opening a standard 15Khz NTSC or PAL mode screen, the screen will be
=> opened
=> at 15Khz no matter what.  The "Promotion" feature of the OS only works for
=> a tiny few, well-written Amiga programs, and no games.  This means that a
=
=And who's fault is that?  NOT COMMODORE'S!  Its the fault of the programers
=who didnt properly write their programs.  Complain to them, not commodore!
=

	The question we need to answer here is this:

	1) Can an A4000 drive a 31Khz only monitor like the 3000 can?

	If the answer is yes, then Marc is wrong, if the answer is no,
	Marc is correct.

	If one "upgrades" to an A4000 and has to throw away the monitor,
	disks and SCSI peripherals then is that REALLY an upgrade? What
	if I'm currently using all my slots in my 3000? Now I have
	to give up a peripheral in order to use my SCSI devices on the
	4000. B^(.

	This is a question that NEEDS to be answered once and for all.

=I doubt that you (as in YOU, personaly) could tell any real difference
=between a typical IDE harddrive and the equivalent SCSI one.
=
	Nope, but AmigaUNIX sure could... B^(.

=And whats wrong with the A2000?  It was the first largely modular Amiga. It
=had/has lots of slots, nice keyboard, drive bays, etc.  Sure, its slow by
=todays standards, but then again, you can stick an 040 in it and still be
=way under the Quadra in price.  The A4000 is every bit as good as the A3000
=with possible acception to the IDE interface.
=
	If it has to be used with a 15KHz monitor and I have a full Zorro III
	bus on my 3000, the 4000 is NOT better than my 3000, i.e. I'd
	have to buy a new monitor, a SCSI card and give up 1 of memory, RS232,
	ethernet or hi-rez 3rd party graphics Zorro II/III board.

		-Rob
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Subject: Is it silly to buy an A3000 now?
Organization: City University, London
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 12:41:37 GMT

The price drop in the A3000 has affected 2nd hand prices and I
am being offered one for 1200 pounds. I was thinking of getting
this rather than an accelerated A2000.

The question is: is it foolish to get an A3000 in terms of
future upgrade/compatability? An A4000 is out of reach but
if CBM introduce an '030 based AGA machine will it make the
A3000 obsolete, or will the A3000 be able to move with the
times?

So, get the A3000, or wait for a cheap AGA?

--
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Vision Group, City University, London, EC1V 0HB. 071-477 8000 x 3889
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: New Amiga(s) Expansion/Future
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:02:59 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <67346@cup.portal.com> by Christopher_Thomas_Winward@cup.portal.com:

> Who in their right mind would ever dare to develop specifically for the
> A4000 and AA chipset when it only comes on one or two of the most

    People with a specific market that can use the extra capability,
    which funnily enough happens to be what the Amiga market is.

    So let's let the professional developers decide what's good and
    bad, eh, instead of spouting off for no particular reason.

> |\ * * /  ????     Christopher Winward- Portal.com      ------------------- |
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From: DennyA@cup.portal.com (Denny Lee Atkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Avoid the Amiga 4000
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 17:26:56 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Oct12.170606.16653@kas.helios.mn.org> <Bw74EG.1yp@news.iastate.edu>

Mark "He won't like it, he hates everything!" Barrett writes:

>People have talked about writing
>utilities to force-promote all NTSC or PAL interlaced modes, but no such
>utilities exist yet. 

Wrong again. Two such utilities are already available.

You are correct, though, about really needing a 15 to 31 kHz monitor
unless you never play bootable games. About my only gripe with the
4000.
From: Thomas_Agatz@pitstop.bbs.bad.se (Thomas Agatz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Is it silly to buy a
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:52:49 GMT
Reply-To: Thomas_Agatz@pitstop.bbs.bad.se (Thomas Agatz)
Organization: PitStop Amiga BBS   Copenhagen, Denmark   +45 31197459
OD-Comment-To: Roger_Nordin

Hi Roger !

In a message of 11-Oct-92 you wrote:

 >> I had an interview with Commodore last week, where i got the chance to
 >> see the A4000 from the inside, and they told me that you easily could
 >> expand to 8mb of chip RAM.

 RN> Hey! Great news! Did they give any indications on how this would be
 RN> done? A motherboard swap would take care of it, but that's not

No, they where very 'short of head', also when i pushed them about all the 
talking about more and better sound-channels. There only comment where 'we're 
working on it!' :-/  But some rumours says that a 'S' model of the A4000 will 
come in a couple of month, and it should be a bugfixed model. Don't ask me 
what this includes!

 RN> "easily", so I presume there must be an easier way. But isn't Alice
 RN> surface mounted?

All of it, unfortunately! I also asked them about the surface mounted design, 
compared to the very weak and famous 8520's, and they told me that they had 
installed some sort of securing or plug fuse, but i could'nt see any %-)

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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Commodore 1960 monitor problem
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:32:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Oct16.073210.4886
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1992Oct15.143740.9132@col.hp.com>, dkm@col.hp.com (Dave K. Martin) writes:
> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>> I have now had two 1960s and it looks like the pixels are not parallel from
>> line to line.                                  
>                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                                  Can you elaborate on this?
> So far my 1960 seems to be ok except for a slight dark smudge in the screen 
> (a degaussing should clear this up) and I'd like it to be slightly brighter.
> Otherwise the display is fairly crisp and clear.  Much better than the 1084
> clone it replaced and many of the VGA monitors I have to use at work.
> 

	Two things I've noticed so far:  The screen starts about an inch or
	from the left side of the tube and thats the minimum, even after
	adjustment.   On some screens, especially older programs that use
	the old low res and hires modes. the picture seems to 'droop' or 
	bend going from left to right.  It's a little strange looking.

	I will try to explain.  Imagine vanishing points at some distance
	above and below the monitor.  Extend the vertical axes of the text
	on the lower or upper halves of the screen respectively to these 
	vanishing points.  Thats describes it.  Sort of a wierd perspective 
	effect.

	I now think it might be the 4000 video circuitry, not the monitor.
	
	The text and graphics and so forth, on their own, look good and crisp.

> Dave Martin - dkm@col.hp.com
> 
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **

>
From: terry@helios.ucsc.edu (Terry Ricketts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Reading AMIGA floppies on a SUN
Date: 14 Oct 1992 18:26:50 GMT
Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

In article <1992Oct14.151612.29238@chsun.chuug.ch> claudio@chsun.chuug.ch (Claudio Nieder) writes:
>huebner@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Huebner) writes:
>: WB2.1) and use the MSDos format?  Aside from loosing some of the storage

>And loosing the long filenames. Therefore don't forget to first put
>your files in some tar or lharc archive.

   This is not necessary! There is a nice little C program called 'dog' from
Phil Kernick of Australia that converts the filenames to MS-Dos format and
creates a text file to restore them. I just run dog on the files before 
saving them to disk. Then after transfering the files to Ami I execute the
script to restore the original names. It is easy and slick.

						Terry




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From: app@shamash.cdc.com ( GSD Advanced Packing/Processes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: flicker fixing an A500?
Keywords: flicker, multisync, VGA, ECS, AGA
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:26:59 GMT
Organization: Control Data, Arden Hills, MN

I am thinking of getting a flicker fixer for my A500.  The only one I 
know of is the ICD one for the 500.

If I buy this, will I also need to buy a multisync monitor?  

Would it be cheaper to get a VGA monitor instead?  

If I go with the VGA, will I be missing out on the new screen modes if
I upgrade to the ECS?  Does it matter?

I've heard that the ICD flicker fixer will not allow me to put in an
accelerator at a later date.  Is this true?  I suppose if I want to
accelerate it would be as cheap to get an A3000, is this a valid assumption?
(I beleive the A3000 comes standard with the 68030, correct me if I'm wrong)

If I eventually get an A3000, will I still be able to use the VGA monitor?
How about the A4000.

Answers to ANY of these questions would be greatley appreciated.  Sorry if
they have been asked a million times before!