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From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Dressage and ARabians
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:04:59 GMT
Organization: Wright State University


I want to thank Tracy for the really great posting about her filly placing
second in a 'Suitable for Dressage' class.  First of all, congrats!  
Many people are missing the boat on Arabs, lots of them are QUITE suitable
for dressage.  Having an excellent strong hip with perfect legs is crucial
and a well laid back shoulder also is very important.  One problem with
Arabs has been that many of them are weak in the hip area.  This is due
to too much emphasis being put on a level croup.  If the croup is too level
the hip is weak.  Luckily my mare inherited a GREAT hip from her sire, 
her mother was weak in that area.  
Arabs do make good dressage horses.  There was a good article a few years
back in Horse Play about Arabian dressage horses.  It takes a special rider
to really handle an Arab in dressage, they can't be forced into doing ANYTHING,
they must be handled with care and intelligence.  They also get bored easily
so the rider must understand this and vary the routine to keep their interest.

One of these days I hope to put some dressage training on my mare, sigh, just
too much to do and too little time.


Sue
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: GIF's of Horses?
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 06:47:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.100943.25862@usl.edu> pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M) writes:

>
>	Does anyone know the whereabouts of any GIF's of horses?
>

Just in case anyone is interested, I plan to take some photos
at the next endurance ride here in Canberra on October 11.
I'm going to scan them (colour) and put them onto one of our
Sun workstations for anonymous FTP (hopefully). I have no idea
if anyone would be interested in these. I'll post a message 
when I've done it.


-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: leading
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:12:29 GMT
	<3030359@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> <1992Sep27.161706.6993@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com's message of 27 Sep 92 16:17:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.161706.6993@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rudy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (avram.r.vener) writes:

   In article <3030359@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner) writes:
   >
   >First the horse needs to know what is expected.  The TEAM method


   Oh yes, before I forget again... What does TEAM (or TTEAM) stand for?

   Rudy Vener

TTEAM stands for Tellington-Touch Equine Awareness Method, which was
pioneered by Linda Tellington-Jones.  It has been described in a
variety of magazine articles over the years, the most accessible of
which are probably in EQUUS.  Basically, she works on the premise that
most problems with horses are caused by a breakdown in communications,
which she believes should be a 2-way affair.  She has put together a
large collection of techniques---involving touch, ground exercises,
and riding with awareness---to further the communication channel.  To
"spread the gospel", she gives clinics, has made videos, and puts out
a quarterly newsletter, which of course advertizes her books, videos,
clinics, etc, but also has frequent updates on how the method is
evolving.  Linda claims that she learns something new almost every
time she gives a clinic---either from one of the "demonstration"
horses, or from an experience related by one of the human participants.

The methods vary in ease of understandability, hence use; some are
very basic (but often overlooked) horsemanship; others are a little
too "New Age" for me, with a lot inbetween.  At a minimum, TTEAM is
guaranteed to make you think about how you interact with your horse.

TT.E.A.M. News International (their newsletter), as well as their
books, tapes, and other assorted products can be had from their sales
office:

	P.O. Box 3793
	Santa Fe, N.M.  87501-0793
	(505) 455-2945
	FAX (505) 455-7233

or from their publishing office:

	R.R. 1 Site 20 Comp. 9
	Vernon, B.C.  V1T 6L4
	(604) 545-2336
	FAX (604) 545-9116

The former is Linda Tellington-Jones' home and office (when she's not
on the lecture circuit, which is most of the time); the latter is the
home of Robyn Hood, who is Linda's little sister, a breeder of
Icelandic horses, the editor of the newsletter, the administrative
director of TTEAM, and the other major TTEAM clinician.  Memberships
are $20 per year, and you get a 10% discount on TTEAM products, like
books, tapes, back issues of the newsletters, "wands", PBM pads, etc.
They will take VISA or MasterCard.

Happy reading!

mjh

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lambedb@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: IVAS
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:35:13 GMT

Recently I posted a request for information about equine acupuncture
and thanks to everyone who responded.  I've discovered a lead, but
I can't get in contact with this group.  Has anyone out there
heard of the Internation Veterinary Acupuncture Society?  I would
be interested in getting in contact with this group.  If you could
give me a push in the right direction, I would appreciate it....


Thanks a million...


David
LAMBEDB@DUCVAX.AUBURN.EDU
From: C20211@prime-a.plymouth.ac.uk (John Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Riding School software in the UK - does it exist???
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:24:59 GMT
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
Organization: BBN news/mail gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

Dara Mclain wrote :

  > My husband works in a small animal practice and they use a package called
  > VetPak. It keeps track of animal history, as well as all the usual stuff,
  > inventory, accounts etc...

Ruth Vale asked a little while ago about software for her Vet, but does
anyone in the UK (or elsewhere :-) ) know where I could get a package similar
to Dara's ?

My friend wants to computerize her riding school accounts, and if possible
her records for her horses, vet visits, costs, farriers, customers, etc, etc.
It should run on an IBM PC compatible, and be cheap! If possible anything
from an anonymous FTP site, public domain, or whatever would be brilliant!
(For those in the UK, Yes I've looked at Lancaster Univ - I've got a
spreadsheet, a database, and an accounting package from there - I'm just trying
to evaluate if they are any good for what she wants).

Thanks for any help in this,

John,
Plymouth, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jen187@mis.csiro.au (Graham Jenkins +61 6 276 6812)
Subject: Re: Wintec-Pro dressage saddle
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 07:12:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.230130.14351@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> manacsa@l13ff.jsc.nasa.gov (Gerry Manacsa) writes:

>Anyone familiar with the latest version of the Wintec-Pro dressage saddle?  Or
>Wintec-Pro's in general?  How do they compare with similarly-priced leather 
>saddles?

I assume that the Wintecs you lot get are the same as the ones sold here
in Oz. They have their good and bad points, (like anything I suppose).
They're great for cleaning, just hang em up and hose em down. They're
made of the same stuff they make wetsuits out of. They are not a bad
saddle to ride in, they're reasonably comfortable and position you
reasonably well, but they are not as good as the expensive leather ones
like Keiffers(sp?). Also you have to keep sharp objects right away from
them, something that will put a nasty scratch on your leather saddle will
tear a chunk out of your Wintec. Two people I know who bought them found
them to be *EXTREMELY* hard, like sitting on a piece of wood. They had to
take them back and have them replaced. I don't know if this is common or
"just one of those things". The stirrup straps are another thing, there
is a type that consists of a sort of webbing covered by a shiny plastic
material. AVOID these at all costs. The plastic gets brittle and splits
and then you have a hell of a problem getting the pin in the buckle to
go in the hole. Also they can be very difficult to pull through the
buckle, especially on cold days and if you don't have very strong fingers.
Also, DO NOT get oil on the saddle, it will ruin the material.

Having said all that, don't let me put you off buying one if you're on
a tight budget. They make a perfectly adequate saddle, especially for kids
who'll grow into an expensive one. I had one for about a year and only sold
it because someone gave me a good leather one. I have another (leather)
stock saddle for endurance work. I've heard that the Wintecs might not
be good for endurance work but have no facts to back this up.

A similarly priced leather one MAY be OK but probably has inferior
leather and the costs have probably been cut in the construction of
the tree. If I was looking for a saddle in that price range, I'd probably
be tempted towards the Wintec. I suggest you try and get a sit in one.

All this is IMHO of course.  :-)

(Oh yes, someone I know bought a red one, believe it or not, after a
few months it started to fade and looked really horrible.)


-- 

|  Graham Jenkins          |  graham.jenkins@its.csiro.au           | 
|  CSIRO                   |  (Commonwealth Scientific & Industrial | 
|  Canberra,  AUSTRALIA    |  Research Organisation)                |
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: Scrambling in the trailer
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:27:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.173642.14660@dvorak.amd.com>,
melanie@cayman.amd.com (Melanie Typaldos) writes:
>  3) The partition between the two horses shouldn't go all
>     the way to the floor.  This gives the horses more room to
>     move their feet around to balance.  At least I got this
>     one right!

The only trouble is: if they use the other horse's side of the
trailer to balance on, one or both of them can end up with gouged-up
legs or worse! Imagine a horse using YOUR ankle to stand on! Anyway,
I'd always heard to use full partitions if possible. Is that wrong?

>As it turned out, I took my mare to a show on Saturday.  She
>scrambled like crazy on the way up.  On the way back, I put
>her on the driver's side and she was quiet the whole time.  So
>that was it.

Sometimes when roads are 'crowned' they are higher on the driver's
side. Therefore the road is slanted to the outside, and that horse
must feel like it's sliding out the down-side of the trailer! I have
heard to always put the heavier horse on the driver's side, to help
correct this problem.

=gwyn
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From: cawalto@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (JOANNE WALTON)
Subject: Re: Trailer Mats
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 30 Sep 1992 13:10 EST  

In article <2335@gandalf.intel.com>, linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin) writes...
> 
>Does anyone know where I can get a trailer mat for my 2-horse trailer?  I have 
>called a couple of trailer dealers in the area.  The price they are quoting me 
>is around $45 for a mat 60"x72".  I want two mats so they suggest I buy one and
>cut it in two.  
> 
>My question is (actually I have several):
> 
>1.  Is $45 a reasonable price.  It does not seem too bad to me but I have not
>priced mats before. 
> 

..

>3.  Is there a mail order catalog I can order from that might have better
>prices.  I have been looking in some of the horse catalogs for the last 
>several months but have not seen anything advertised.
>

..

>I want what is best for Reba without spending any unnecessary money (don't we
>all!!!)
> 
>***************************************************
>	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
>	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
>***************************************************


Linda,

I purchased mats in the spring and $45 is about what you are going to pay 
for them (in the Cleveland area at least).  Mail order catalogs are NOT 
cheaper.  I called several places and it turns out that the shipping for 
mats is about the same price as the mats (since they are so heavy).
In my case, it would have cost me $150 to ship the mats.  If you can buy 
them from a local place and pick them up yourself, you can save a lot of money.


Joanne
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber)
Subject: Re: Letting Run Loose
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:15:07 GMT

In article <4emQQgi00WBM42pn0m@andrew.cmu.edu> Jean Andrews <ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Since my last post I have a question and would really like to see which
>way you all think I should go.  Should I let our Pai (mare) run loose
>with the other mares every other day or not!?!

At my barn, the owner introduces new horses to the established set by putting
the new horse out with one other horse first, then adding the others
one at a time, a few days apart.  This goes smoothest if the right guess is
made up front on where the new horse will fit in the pecking order.

Daleilah's paddock never has more than five horses, so this routine didn't
take too long and she was introduced with nothing more violent than ears
laid back and threatening crowding - no kicks or bites.  Your mileage will
vary on this, of course.

In general, unless the existing herd of horses contains some extreme bullies,
getting your horse sorted into it so she can get turnout should be far
preferable to keeping her stall-bound.

Your other concern was whether the terrain was safe.  Seems to me, if its
not safe for your mare, the other horses shouldn't be turned out there, either.
If it's simply that your mare has not been exposed to woods or uneven
terrain, you could give her several hand walking tours of the area before
letting her loose on her own.

Kathy Wilber
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims)
Subject: Re: sentementality
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:15:49 GMT
X-Posted-From: phobos.avs.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

The time came when I had to make a decision about how to
put down my horse.  I called up the vet and got a very
vivid, clinical description of what happens to a horse
sent to one particular packer in eastern Conneticut.  A lot
of the Rockingham/Suffolk race horses end up at this plant.

This packer, and many others, will go along with an owner's
desire to dispose of the animal quickly.  They'll tell you
when they are slaughtering horses.  Show up at that time
and the horse goes directly into the plant and is not held
in a pen.

It doesn't cost that much to have the vet put the
horse down and get someone to haul him away.  If you
can, spend the money.  You won't be haunted by what may
have happened to your horse in its last minutes on earth
the way that I am.

Linda B. Merims
From: ckw0@aber.ac.uk (Carl Keri Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Dreams of a foal...
Keywords: So what DO foalies dream about...?
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:40:22 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

Sorry for being so soppy and sentimental, but I just HAD to tell you lot
about this...

A few days ago, I went to check on the horses, and little Non was lying 
down.  As it wasn't feeding time and she wasn't feeling playful, she didn't 
bother getting up and just lay there watching me.  I walked over to her and
as the grass was a bit damp I took my coat off and lay it down by her and
then sat down by her, having a chat and a cuddle.   Cute eh?  Well, ever 
since she was born, Non has had a tendency to go all 'floppy' if you tickle 
her cheeks, and we have a sort of 'party piece' whereby I can make her flop 
right over and rest her head on my knee if she is lying down, so I tickled her
cheeks and she duly flopped down, and promptly went to sleep.  

After a minute or two, she started twitching, and suddenly neighed, in 
exactly the same way she neighs when she sees me catching her mum before 
taking her for a ride.  At the same time, she was obviously in REM sleep,
which it turns out means more Rapid Ear Movement than Rapid Eye Movement, as
although her eyes moved around, her ears looked as though were about to take
off, they were revolving so fast.  Once she had neighed, her legs all started 
moving, in roughly a 'fast walk' sort of sequence and intensity, much they 
way they would if she was marching up for a last drink before mum was occupied
giving rides instead of feeding her.  I felt rather sorry for her at this 
point, so I talked to her and stroked her face, trying to reassure her that 
no-one was going to take her mummy away (I only ever ride for upto 30 mins,
before you lot accuse me of cruelty :-) ) and she relaxed briefly, then
stretched her nose forwards, turned her ears back, wrinkled her nose and 
started sucking and imaginary udder.  

So there we have it.  Little foalies dream of having their mummies taken 
away from them and then finding them again!  Or something like that, anyway.

Esther,
Rickie,
Mari and baby Non - nearly 7 months old now!

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From: jwg2y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warner Granade)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Custom Pants
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:27:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Oct6.172753.21373
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Oct1.175736.9978@netcom.com> mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall) writes:
>I have been looking for riding pants on and off for a few months now and
>have not quite found what I am looking for.  It seems even harder because
>most stores only carry womens apparel and order mens.  With prices being
>what they are, and myself being fairly picky, I was wondering how easy
>it would be to get a custom pair made and what cost I could expect.  I would
>really like:
>
>100% cotton (or close to it)
>Black or dark gray
>Button fly (I have *never* seen this in a store period)
>Loose fitting
>
>
>-- 
>
> \ | /   | Brian Hall                 mspace@netcom.com
> - : -   | Mark/Space Softworks       Applelink: markspace
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> |-+-|   |
>/-\|/-\  | The tornado ate my powerbook.

My wife met a woman at the North Georgia 3day last fall who
was selling custom britches. She bought a pair that she had
already made and later ordered another pair. They were full 
seat and fit her great.  I think they cost $160 already made.
I don't know if she makes men's britches. These britches look
great, but full leather seat is a pain to wash (by hand) and

hang dry.  Does anyone have suggestions for washing?  The woman's
name and address are:

Elizabeth G.
411 North Steele St
Sanford, N.C. 27330

(919)774-1499

Let us know if she makes men's britches.

--
Warner Granade *****jwg2y@virginia.edu
804-924-7409
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: flying changes
From: Wendy Allison <WEAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 14:06:50 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Does anyone out there have a "trick" for cuing a flying change?  My horse
knows how to do them, but I don't know exactly how to cue him, or more
specifically, WHEN to cue him.  What I'm doing now is the following: I'll
begin by circling him, then try to straighten him up, check (half-halt), and
cue for the other lead (with leg, seat, & rein).  Sometimes we get it, but
not usually.  And then he usually "falls" or rushes into it about half way
around the turn.  I just have the feeling that if I can give him the right
cue at the right time, he'll do beautiful changes.  Any advice on this would
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Wendy

BTW, I ride western, using a mild grazing bit or loose ring snaffle.  My
horse is an older, well-broke horse, not at all "green,"and in pretty good
condition for his age (17).
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

 I'll be returning home for a week at Christmas time, as I do every year, to
 Newark, Ohio (this is about 30 miles east of Columbus). This year, I'd like
 to do something different at Christmas and find a trainer in the greater
 Columbus area to give me one or two clinics on good lesson horses.

 What I do: schooling 2nd and 3rd level dressage on my (small) Appendix QH,
 as well as jumping lessons. I've evented two or three times at the novice
 level, but my jumping form *sucks* big time, so I'm working on that now.
 I'd love either 3rd/4th level dressage lessons, or some good solid jumping
 lessons over something like 3' - 3'3 fences.

 Can anyone recommend a barn or trainer in the Columbus area that would be
 willing to give one or two lessons around Christmas time on lesson horses?
 Many, many thanks for any leads or information!!
---------

 Julie T. Chapman - HP Santa Rosa Systems Division  (juliec@sr.hp.com)
 "Becoming is far superior to being." - Paul Klee
 "God forbid that I should go to any heaven in which there are no horses."
  - R.B. Cunninghame-Graham, in a letter to Teddy Roosevelt
From: gordo@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gordon C. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: POLO
Summary: Call the U.S.P.A.
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:37:46 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii

In article <168698921.SSVKJ@TJUVM.TJU.EDU> SSVKJ@TJUVM.TJU.EDU (KEN JOHNSTON) writes:
>Hello....I do not own or even ride anymoe. It's been about 10 years since
>I was on a horse. However, after this weekend I want to try to get back into
>riding and start my children. What influenced it was a polo match I attendee
>nearby. A bunch of folks have gotten together and formed a small polo league
>and it w

(...wild enthusiasm and questions deleted...)
 
>Any info would be greatly appreciated. You can post here or e-mail me directly
>at the address below. Thanks!!
> 
>KEN JOHNSTON


Ken,

To learn about clubs in your area call the United States Polo
Association toll free at 1-800-232-8772. You might ask them for 
a copy of the stadium polo rules, I know they were available 
members recently.

Staduim polo has been developed to bridge the gap between 
arena polo and full-on outdoor open field polo. It was develped in
part to make polo more "accessible" (read affordable)  in these 
lean times. I think that only four chukkars are played, three players on 
a side. Players are allowed "only" two horses in a game. (As opposed 
to four or five mounts for a six chukker outdoor match.)

Good luck with getting started with riding again. If you stick
with polo work _hard_ on your riding skills first, then move on
to the game. I've seen too many over enthusiastic players get 
hooked on just hitting that ball while they can barely ride.

Best regards,


Gordon Smith
 
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