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From: simon@ivem.uucp (Simon Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: "info on 93 Probe wanted"
Date: 26 Aug 1992 18:47:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: usa
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In article <ellisk.714804508@fido.Colorado.EDU> ellisk@fido.Colorado.EDU writes:
>I'm not an owner (yet!) but I will say that after having looked at and
>driven just about everything in the Probe's class, it comes out tops in
>price/performance.  It's extremely satisfying to drive, moreso than even
>the VW Corrado SLC, the Talon TSi AWD, or the Honda Prelude, and it's
>cheaper than all of them (not including Talon rebates).  I am a little
>wary of quality, particularly compared with the Saturn SL2, but the
>Ford/Mazda partnership seems to be working out.  If you can spring for
>the expense, I'd suggest getting the GT.  The V-6 under the hood is
>worlds ahead of the 4-cyl in the base model.  The only other car I had
>this much fun driving was a Nissan Sentra SE-R, and the Sentra didn't
>make it into my final choices for other reasons.


I feelings exactly.  I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I want a
'93 Probe GT loaded!  It was much more "nicer" than the Prelude I drove, and
felt a lot more comfortable that the Prelude also.  The Laser wasn't too
thrilling for me, nor the Integra.  I don't know about the Eagle Talon, but
since it's similar to the Laser, I'd pass.

I'm not an owner (yet either :) but I sure hope soon!

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From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil chang
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:23:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 

  >The DIY book for the SHO indicates that the wires should also be replaced at
  >60,000 miles. They admonish caution in that the new wires must be routed 
  >exactly like the old wires were lest you suffer high-RPM cross-fire problems.

I opted to skip the wire replacenment - they seemed clean, and it runs great.
If I ever have an engine performance problem, that'll be one of the first 
places I'll look.

  >>The valve job looks like a bit more than I'm willing to get into at this point.
  >>I'm gonna let it slide for awhile, and get it done when I have the ~$300 to
  >>let the mechanic do it.
  >
  >The SHO Registry had a pictorial "how to do it" on the 60K valve adjustment.
  >I am convinced that I will pay someone to do the job on mine.

Heh, me too.

  >I'll stick with the paper filters. I had a K&N filter in my last car and it was
  >a pain in the butt (cleaning, drying, and oiling is a much longer cycle than
  >changing) and I couldn't tell a difference in power. Also, the K&N is rumored
  >to be not a great fit as well.

Seen one since then in the SHO Registry from CSR (Charles Scott Racing).  Has
a CSR filter which they claim is 290% less restrictive than the K&N 
while trapping 345% more dirt.   Same price, so I'll probably go with it 
rather then the K&N.  I'll also get their 6qt carton of Redline MTL - which
brings up another interesting point.  The DIY book for the Taurus lists
the manual transmission of the SHO having a fluid refull capacity of 6.2
pints - if my conversion memory is corrent (2pts=1qt), isn't this just
under what would be needed for 2 SHOs?  Hmm... Maybe I'll get a friend
to go in half on that one!  ;-)




- Dave Bonds 
- Internet : David.Bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: Yeukkei.Cheung@dartmouth.edu (Yeukkei Cheung)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: New Land Rover
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:23:06 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


           Has any of you seen the new Land Rover(Yes, Land Rover, not
Range Rover) TV commercial?  If so, does any of you know anything about
the Land Rover that is being advertised?  
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)
Subject: Re: Michelin MXV tire and its competitors
Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 17:05:27 GMT

In article <24139@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense) writes:
>As for hydroplaning at 45 with MXV's, did you have the V or H rated
>tire? There seems to be *HUGE* differences in the performance of these
>two tires.

but hydroplaning is a property of the tread pattern, which is the same
on both variants of the MXV, rather than of the tire compound, which is
what is different between the two tires.  changes in tire compound
can have a substantial effect, however, on stick to wet pavement
w/o standing water on it.

cheers,
  richard
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: shankar@navajo.berkeley.edu (Shankar Narayanaswamy)
Subject: Re: Storing a car for a year
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:08:54 GMT

In article <CARL.92Aug27104848@atlantis.Cayman.COM>, carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl) writes:
|> 
|> >First, we have to put it on cinder blocks, I assume. Is that necessary?
|> >Where do the blocks go? Under the suspension? I can't see them going under
|> >the tires, since it would be kinda useless :-)
|> 
|> I just caught the tail end of Motor Week last week.  They said that
|> the the main idea here is to prevent tire rot.  They said that when
|> the tires are sitting on cement that the moisture buildup around the
|> tires causes problems over the long term.  They suggested using wood
|> boards that are 6 inches wider than the tires and a foot longer.
|> 
|> -Carl-
|> --

Steel-belted radials will flat-spot if the car is not raised. I believe the
cinder blocks are meant to keep the car OFF the ground. So look for the
jack-points and put the blocks under these. Also, if the car is to be left
for an extended period fresh oil prevents sludge from encrusting your
drain-pan (and the rest of your engine). Disconnect the battery so that it
drains a lot more slowly.

Shankar

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Al Bowers)
Subject: Re: CIVIC SI QUESTION
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:52:17 GMT

In article <Bu0K49.8Et@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> dbowman@shade (Don A. Bowman) writes:

>erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim)  writes:
>: -> My '92 Civic Si is coming up on 1000 miles.  When I picked it up they
>: -> told me to bring it back for a "1000 mile checkup."  The salesman

>: I think your dealer is trying to scam you.  The oil shouldn't be
>: changed until at least 3,000 miles and stuff like Slick 50 shouldn't be
>: put in until at least 15,000 miles.  The earliest scheduled maintance is
>: the 7500 mile one that consists of changing of oil filter and oil.

>I disagree. It is important that a first oil change be done early.
>Any small filings and so on that where in the engine from the factory
>(including burrs that have worn down, rings seating, worker's wristwatches
>etc) should be removed early on in the engine's life. 1000 mi seems reasonable
>to me. Also, they may want to check that everything is seating correctly
>in the engine (no ugly noises etc). I doubt they would change more than
>a nominal fee for any of this, and since the dealer provides the warranty,
>I would have it done.

Well, close.  But no banana.

A common thing to do when an engine is rebuilt is to fill it with oil,
turn it over until oil pressure is up (but make sure it _will_ not
start, remove plugs, whatever), and then change the oil again.  this
will take all the scum out of an engine.  Now most new cars are well
enough run in (usually about 3 miles) that any `bad' things that would
catastrophically happen will have already been taken care of.

As for break-in oil change.  The break-in oil is usually very light.
And you should leave it in until the engine stops burning oil (oil
consumption goes down).  At this point the rings have seated, and the
light oil should be changed out.  With the newer heavier oil, you can
now run the engine harder.

>Also, I don't know about Honda, but some cars are provided with a special
>oil from the factory. This oil is unsuitable for extended use, and is 
>intended for the break-in period.

Precisely.

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personal problem."                                     -Phil Hill
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:48:07

Moroney posts:

[story how 100+ mpg carburetor designs are locked away in the vaults of
oil companies deleted]

     This is a very old urban legend/conspiracy theory.  I
     believe it dates from the 50s, but tends to show up in force
     when there is an 'oil crisis' such as in 1973.

It dates from at least the 1930s.
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From: nbaltz@uts.amdahl.com (Nancy C. Baltz)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: saab questions to rec.auto and saab.list
Keywords: saab turbo
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:42:36 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


> 
> I recently wrote rec.autos to ask what people thought of the choice
> of a Saab 900 Turbo.  I was deluged with wonderfully complete and 
> encouraging information and congratulations and was given this email
> address to get on the saab mailing list.  Please tell me how I can
> read and post to this group, and, if it is appropriate at this time,
> can you post this question:
> 
> 
> I have a list of recommended used cars from Consumer Reports April 1992
> listing the 1989 Saab 900 Turbo (also 900 and 9000 and 9000T) as cars
> to avoid.  Why?
> 
> And another question:
> 
> Which is better, a 1989 Turbo with low mileage(the asking price is
> sounding negotiable), or a 1987 SPG with higher
> mileage where the fellow is asking over $12K?
> 
> 
> And another:
> 
> Do Saabs develop oil system problems more easily than other cars?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nancy Baltz
> nbaltz@amdahl.com
> 
> -- 
> 


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka (the mad pianist))
Subject: Re: BMW Highway Patrol Car
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 15:00:00 GMT

Speaking of expensive cop cars, the city of Aspen, Colorado has been using
Saab 9000s for a while...
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil Gustafson)
Subject: Wrong Speedometers
Organization: Famed Parquet Floor
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:53:58 GMT

In article <Aug20.212410.42095@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>In article <SYNTH.92Aug18162545@deepthought.unm.edu>,
>synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim) writes:
>>
>>Many, many cars in production today have their speedometers calibrated high,
>
>I believe it is intentional. 

There are several reasons for making speedometers (and odometers) read
high:
  
  1. Customer thinks the car is faster than it is.

  2. Customer thinks his gas mileage is better than it is.

  3. Warranty lapses sooner.

For the record, my last two cars (VW and SAAB) are within 1 MPH at 60.
Those Europeans don't screw around.

Phil
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From: alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HONDA CIVIC awesomeness CONTINUES
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:27:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug31.112828.28459
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1992Aug31.141625.4213@spdcc.com> eli@spdcc.com (Steve Elias) writes:

>geez, that would be false advertising.  
>the civic CX is $8k, fyi.

There's a difference between the price they advertise in the magazines
(which, normally say in teensy tiny print: "Options extra.") and what
a car that you can comfortably drive costs.  

>the top of the line civic has power everything (except seat).
>get with the program, stylish dude!

And it doesn't cost any $8,000, either. 

>$8k for a CX is pretty cheap.  air bag too.
>i agree their prices have gone way up, but part of it 
>is this "upscale" movement from Honda.  at the rate they
>are going, Accord will be the size of a 72 caddy fleetwood by 1996!
>
>the 92 civic is bigger than the 87 accord!

Personally, although this is off the original subject, I am glad to
see this.  The cars were moving in opposite directions... either
ungodly big (Caddies and Town Cars) or micro small... I prefer a
middle ground, ideally, although I'm just dying for a CRX... =)  

amy

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: Re: I love Saturn!
Organization: None
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:56:11 GMT

In article <51300036@hpscit.sc.hp.com> gw@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Gordon Wilson) writes:
>In rec.autos, joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins) writes:
>
>> We own a 1991 Saturn SC and my wife called me said the brakes
>> failed, i.e. she had a problem stopping. The car has 12,100 miles
>> on it. We have had it for 14 months or so.
>
>
>  It took me a few minutes to decide if this was sarcasm or positive remarks.
>It must be positive remarks.  But, why do the saturn brakes overheat,
>and "completely fail"?  Every car I have driven or read about does not
>have brakes that "completely fail", they just fade out.  Your intention
>may have been to make positive comments about saturn, but I am more
>cautious than before about buying a saturn.
>gordon

I posted the original article and would like to qualify it slightly.
My wife felt they had failed but she is NOT savy on brakes or cars in
general. What actually happened is they faded and then the power assist
on them apparently stopped. She still had plenty of brakes (i.e. lean on
the brakes to stop), as in the days before power assist.

The dealer told me that the brakes simply faded and the vacuum portion
of power assist then shutdown. He said if she had waited 10 minutes, all would
have been back to normal. He said to have it towed ANYWAY just to be sure
thats what it was (and it was). She always had brakes, just lost the power
assist. They checked them at the dealer (visually looked at each brake) and
then road tested the car as well. They declared them in excellent shape.

Prior to all this, she was stuck in traffic and was riding the brake. The
dealer told her to put the car in neutral if she is stuck in traffic for a
long time. He also said its better to use the brakes as needed and then
take your foot off - but don't park your foot on the brake pedal.

I hope this helps....my original post was meant in a positive way. Perhaps
I overdid it because of the fine way the Saturn Assistance Center took
control of the situation, arranged for towing, called the dealer etc.

I just bought another car (a Camry) but this is not a slight on Saturn.
I just needed a different type of car. I would buy a Saturn again if the
need arised. We bought it for a commuter car and its GREAT for our purposes.

Regards,

Joe
joec@morgan.com
From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: RE: LASAR DETECTOR..
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:47:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> 1) Is there a list of places where Stalker is used ? or are you aware
-> of an area where Stalker is being used (maybe we can compile a list).
->
-> 2) Can users of Valentine 1 provide critiques of their units ? i.e.
-> how useful is the directional warning, the number of signal sources,
-> how good is the sensitivity of the detector etc.
->
-> 3) Have any users of laser detectors being saved from a ticket
-> because of sufficiently advance warning from their detector ? i.e. is
-> the thing useful ?

 Here's an answer to #2.

 Alabama-  Stalker
 Arizona-  Stalker
 Arkansas-  Stalker
 California-  Stalker   Laser- Los Angeles
 Colorado-  Stalker   Laser- used by .0state police
 Georgia-  Stalker  Laser- Atlanta
 Hawaii-  Laser- Honolulu
 Indiana-  Stalker- Westfield
 Iowa-  Stalker   Laser- Cedar Rapids
 Louisiana-  Laser- Monroe, Shreveport, state police
 Maryland-  Laser-  Prince Georges County
 Massachusetts-  Stalker-  Seekonk, Somerset
 Michigan-  Stalker
 New Jersey-  Laser- Fairlawn, State police
 New Mexico-  Stalker
 New York-  Laser- state police in Long Island only.
 North Carolina-  Stalker
 Ohio-  Stalker- Bowling Green  Laser- Beachwood, Dayton, State Police.
 Oregon-  Laser- Tigard
 Rhode Island-  Laser- State Police.
 South Carolina-  Stalker   Laser- Charleston
 Tenessee-  Stalker   Laser- Chattanooga, Knoxville
 Texas...y....B.'.-  .1.........,...oStalker- Ft. Worth, Galveston,
Highland Park, Parker.          Laser- Ft. Worth
 Utah-  Stalker
 Virginia-  Stalker    Laser- Cape Charles
 Wahington-  Laser- Spokane
 Wisconsin-  Laser- Madison
 Wyoming-  Stalker


  If you're city isn't on the list then it may not be using Stalker or
Laser.   All the states with Stalker and not listing the city/county
where it's used in means that the state
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X-Star-Trek-Quote: He's Dead Jim.
X-School: Penn State University
X-Nickname: <<APOCALYPSE>>, Lord of Destruction
Organization: Penn State Star Trek club
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 08:10:55 EDT
From: Matthew E. Bernold <MEB117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.forsale
Subject: Car stereo for sale. *Repost*

I have a Realistic model 12-1930A car stereo for sale.  Here are all the
specs I could find:

     AM/FM/Stereo/Cassette player
     Auto reverse
     5 band graphic equalizer
     4-speaker system
     L-R/F-R faders
     Digital display
     12 memories (6 AM/6 FM)
     Auto seek
     Metal tape switch
     Wire for automatic antenna

The dimensions are HxWxD  2"x7"x5 3/4"

I paid $149.99 for it about 2.5 years ago.  I'll take $75 shipping included,
o.b.o. (buyer pays shipping)

       Matthew E. Bernold             MEB117@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
         <<APOCALYPSE>>                  meb@haydn.psu.edu
From: chan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Vi Chi Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Suggestions for Buying new Car?
Keywords: Buying new Cars - suggestions
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:46:53 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


Hi!           


My brother (who does not have access to Netnews) plans to buy a new car (a sporty one).
He needs some advices on several models that he is interested in.
I really appreciate that if anyone of you can give some advices to him or
maybe share some of your experiences on these car models. Thanks!


The cars he is looking into are :

1. Ford - Probe
2. Toyota - Celica
3. Nissan - 240ZX
4. Mazda - MX-6 / MX-3
5. Honda - Prelude
6. Infinity - G20

The information he wants are mainly : 
a. the reliabilities of these car
b. the performance vs. value
c. insurance costs 

Any advice is welcome. Thanks in advance.


Chan.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: edj@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (edward.jung)
Subject: Re: Michelin MXV tire and its competitors
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:57:23 GMT
Summary: Replacement tires, Pirelli P500


My wife drives an 89 Accord and I drive a 90 Integra.  Both cars came with
the Michelin MXV tires and they had one redeeming quality: The original tires
still passed inspection after 60000 miles on them.  OK, my wife drives pretty
tame but I drive my car like a madman (I found out that my car has a rev
limiter at about 7500 rpm.)

The tires sucked in the rain.  No arguments here.  It was scarry to drive
the Integra whenever the road was wet.  At speeds higher than 45mph I would
feel the car losing traction constantly.  This month I put Pirelli P500's on 
both cars.  During a rainstorm last week I cautiously crept the speed up to
get a feel for how the Pirellis drove.  I found myself quickly up to 65mph
without a single twitch out of the tires.  I drove through puddles just to
see if the tires would hydroplane and they didn't.

When I went to shop for tires I was looking for something in the 
"high performance all season" or "high performance M+S" category.  I was
going to purchase Bridgestone Potenza HP41's, but decided to take a
chance and buy the Pirelli's (everyone seems to have a special on them.)

The Pirelli's at $60 a tire were only a few bucks more expensive than the 
Bridgestones and were much cheaper than the MXV's or XGT-H4's.  The treadwear
rating on the Pirellis are better than the MXV's also (220 vs 180, I think.)

(If anyone has any inside info on the Pirelli P500's, like, they melt on
a hot summer day or they blow up on Friday the 13th, let me know.)

Ed Jung
e_jung@att.com