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From: sveini@mack.uit.no (Svein-Ivar Lillehaug)
Subject: Re: Soon it's Christmas (Was: Finns and Swedes......)
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:45:29 GMT

In article <kjell-111192135513@g0-mac5.ekti.chalmers.se> kjell@emke.chalmers.se (Kjell Siimon) writes:
>
>OH COME ON YOU GUYS!!!!!
>
>Don't start this arguing all over now again!
>Put it like this instead:
>
>In a couple of weeks there will bi Christmas. Wouldnt it be nice, just for
>a while at least, to share Christmas traditions with eachother instead of
>fighting.
>Let me try with this one:
>
>In Sweden we all drink something called GLUGG. It's very sweet wine, remade
>from old wine that SYSTEMBOLAGET don't find any use for and can't get ridd
>of in any other way. We drink it hot with raisins and shopped nuts. After a
>couple of glases your stomage feels very turbulent and you have to spend
>some hours on the lavatory.

Ok, in the spirit of Xmas, let us "argue" about which country has the
best traditions in making Gloegg. The swedes have lost their tradition
as they buy their Gloegg fabric made at BOLAGET. Our POLET is making the
same stuff, but it has not become a success. Instead we put our own
mixture (red wine, spices, olmonds(sp?), raisins and 96%) together. The
raisins gives a special effect to the stomage if you put them on the
96% for a couple of days in advance. If you can not find the 96% you
have an emergency which can be solved with the 60%. This stuff can be
found at both POLET and BOLAGET. 

I suppose the finns just put olmonds in their vodka, and that the danes
eat their Xmas nuts together with their bitter (den lille) and beer
combination.

This puts Norway as the only country with valuable Xmas traditions.


//Svein-Ivar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: sgrenander@NASAMAIL.JPL.NASA.GOV (Sven U. Grenander)
Subject: Re: pilgrimmage to the Holy land
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:07:04 GMT

In article <Nov10.185022.31129@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
sastoen@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Susan Stoen) wrote:
> 
> Several of my elderly relatives have made a pilgrimmage to the
> Holy land. It wasn't in the Middle East.  It was Norway.    
> 
> Ha det bra!
> 
> --Sue		email: sastoen@lamar.colostate.edu

Icke R{tt!

It both was and still is: Sweden.

Ha det s} bra du ochs}.

-Sven
From: minow@apple.com (Martin Minow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Aaland and Finnish Independence
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:34:12 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Macintosh Developer Services

In article <1992Nov4.083248.9758@ugle.unit.no>, jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan
Arne Fagertun) wrote:
>
> What about Norway, then. We had no Aaland, we have "a significant
> border with Russia", ...
>
It is my understanding that the Norwegian border with the Soviet Union came
about as part of changes in the Finland-Russian border after World War II.

Note that Norway was an ally of the Soviet Union during World War II. As
part of NATO (or whatever preceeded it in the late 1940's), any attempt
of the Soviet Union to occupy Norway directly after the war would quite
possibly have led to nuclear war (with only one side having the bomb at
that time).

> Don't misunderstand me - I did not love the Soviet system - I'm only
> tired of all this stupid USA propaganda.

Thanks for the smile - it made my day.

Martin Minow
minow@apple.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Jan Sparrendahl)
Subject: Re: Some history about AAland
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:54:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.094515.5422@ericsson.se>, etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se (John Dryselius TG/HB) writes:

|> Just one note here, Aaland is administratively quite independent of
|> Finland and that is not because Finland is far beyond Sweden in the
|> treatments of their minorities. It is mainly due to the fact that
|> the people of Aaland wanted to join  with Sweden and not remain as
|> a part of Finland.
|> The affair was solved by NF (1921?) by letting Aalnd be a quite independent
|> part of Finland and Sweden agreed on this.
|> This was the only time NF actually managed to solve an international
|> problem.

	I have heared that Finland wasn't very eager of taking ]land 
	(they had no means to confronting Sweden) but the UK insisted
	]land should be a part of Finland. Sweden was very entusiastic 
	about NF and didn't want to ewreck the NF at the beginning. Thus
	the world ignored the referendum and ]land were made a part of 
	Finland against the will of ]l{nningarna.

	Does anyone know why the UK was so eager to make ]land a part of
	the RoF.
	Nowdays I presume few in ]land would like to join Sweden because
	the autonomus status is very generous. As a part of Sweden they 
	wouldn't have that good communications with Sweden and the islands
	would probably be heavily fortified.
 
	Arthur
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: olems@ulrik.uio.no (Ole Michael Selberg)
Subject: Re: The Finns, an opressed minority in Sweden
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Oslo University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:06:17 GMT

In article <etxmow.721387326@garboc34>, etxmow@garboc34.ericsson.se (Mats
Winberg) wrote:
> 
> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
> >: Why after all the Finns are better survived on the area compared with
> >: the Forest-Finns of Warmland whose genocide was complited 1960's
> >: by the Swedish administration.
> >: 
> 
>       Genocide is a strong word. Do all Finnish people compare the
>       Finnish situation in Sweden with that of the Jews in the Third
>       Reich or that of the Cambodians under Khmer Rouge? Or is it just
>       Jarmo Ryyti?
> 
> 
>       Mats Winberg
>       etxmow@tore.ericsson.se

Maybe he means `glossocide'?

Ole Michael Selberg
Institutt for oesteuropeiske og orientalske studier
Universitetet i Oslo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner)
Subject: What Became of Rolf Bjoerling?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 11:19:55 GMT

Hello, everyone.
 
I heard Rolf Bjoerling in concert when I visited Stockholm in
1972.  However, I haven't at all kept up with his career.  A
reliable source told me during my visit that Rolf Bjoerling
wasn't serious enough about his music in his early career, but
that he was making a real effort to be a good musician.  Does
anyone know what became of him?  Is he still singing?  His father
had the most beautiful tenor I have ever heard!
 
Craig Werner <werner@world.std.com>

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: isac@rieska.oulu.fi (Juha Iisakka)
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Oulun yliopisto
	<ksand-101192180814@wintermute.apple.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:34:13 GMT

In article <ksand-101192180814@wintermute.apple.com> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik ) writes:
> One reason I appreciate European high school education is the level
> of language training. If someone wants to kill that, they don't
> realize the consequences. Especially if they want to kill the teaching
> of Swedish, and at the same time the economy in Finland is in shambles
> and their most important trade partners are in the West, not in the
> East. It's a good sign of narrow-minded thinking, IMHO.

Normal people cannot learn very many languages in school. They
have to learn there something else too. Swedish and Spanish
are in same way strange languages for most of the FinnishFinnish.

In practise Finnish cannot learn French, Germain and Russian
if they must learn Swedish. That's the reason why Swedish must
be a free choice in Finnish schools.
--
Juha Iisakka					isac@rieska.oulu.fi
My opinions are mine - not my employer's
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From: K.R.Hauge@easteur-orient.uio.no (Kjetil Ra Hauge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: FINNOFOBIA P] ALAND
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:05:28 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: U. of Oslo

In article <LHE.92Nov4143420@yang.sics.se>, lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik
Eriksson) wrote:
[some stuff deleted]

> doubt very much. I gather that most packages in the rest of Finland
> has bilingual text. In Sweden, Finnish text on food packacking is
> reasonably common (to avoid having to use different packages for
> export). Does Jarmo want us to believe that it would be illegal to
> sell such things on Aaland? No way, then they would have to have
> special packaging on most things they import from the rest of Finland
> and on lots of stuff imported from Sweden. On the other hand, if there
> is a requirement that Finnish text *only* is not permitted, then that
> requirement is both believable and reasonable.

I think it hasn't become sufficiently clear in this discussion that whereas
mainland Finland has two official languages, Finnish and Swedish, Aaland
has only ONE official language: Swedish. It is quite reasonable, as
Lars-Henrik states, that one would have legislation to protect this state
of affairs.

> --
> Lars-Henrik Eriksson                            Internet: lhe@sics.se
> Swedish Institute of Computer Science           Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09
> Box 1263                                        Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09
> S-164 28  KISTA, SWEDEN                         Fax: +46 8 751 72 30

Kjetil Raa Hauge, U. of Oslo, Norway
From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Subject: Re: CIA -- Palme allegations
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:04:40 GMT


In article <1992Nov6.145325.25727@cs.cornell.edu>, elster@cs.cornell.edu (Anne C. Elster) writes:
>CNN Headline News(*) here in the U.S. had a story this morining
>concerning linking the CIA to the Palme murder.
>
>What's the scoop in Sweden on this?

My reaction is a yawn. This isn't really news. The KGB told us already 
in 1986 that it was the CIA which was responsible for the murder. :-)

Seriously, so many theories have been forwarded, and so much pseudo- or 
fabricated evidence has been presented during the 6,5 years since his 
murder. I think that it's now more or less impossible to tell what's 
true and what's not. I don't think the murder will ever be solved.

>I know Olof wasn't too U.S.-friendly, but this sounds pretty strong!
>(Especially since I can think of several other world leaders that
>the U.S. would benefit more from terminating (Saddam, Mohammed, et al,
>come to mind ...)

I was most definitely no fan of Olof Palme, but to compare him to Saddam 
Hussein is a bit unfair, I think...

And when it comes to Palme's attitudes to USA, there's ample evidence 
that when he made his loud accusations in his public speeches in the 
1970's, he had a very different attitude "in private", e.g. concerning 
military intelligence cooperation with USA/NATO. Not that I'm surprised 
- hypocricy is a more prominent ideology of the Swedish social democrats 
than the so-called "democratic socialism" is.

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

"These latter-day practitioners of surface chemistry reflect a lingering of the
adventurous spirit of the Enlightment" -- Charles Tanford
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: eeinhorn@titan.ucc.umass.edu (ERIC EINHORN)
Subject: Re: Norway & Russia (was Re: Aaland and Finnish Independence)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:57:26 GMT

Hans Peter's summary is largely correct.  The Germans destroyed much of Finn-
mark as they retreated, and it was only with Russian help that the local pop-
ulation survived the first winter.  There was much gratitude in Finnmark toward
the Russians, and this good neighborliness even survived the cold war (recently
humanitarian assistance has been sent from Finnmark to Kola (Murmansk etc.).
     Russia and the Soviet Union have always recognized Norwegian sovereignty
over the region.  After WWII there was some debate about the status of Svalbard
and Bjoernoeya, but the legal situation of those islands has always been some-
what murky.  The same remains true of the continental shelf north of Finnmark.
The only political competition was with Finland that was Norway's only neighbor
in the region between 1918 and 1941.  
     In Kirkenes you can see a voluntary and sincere monument to the Red Army
as liberators;  it is the only such monument in western Europe!  When Norway
joined NATO in 1949, the Soviet Union was not amused.  It warned Norway, but
Norway has been a solid NATO state throughout the cold war.  Norway was, how-
ever, very discrete about restricting foreign military bases on her territory
and limiting military activity in Finnmark.  No need to be provocative.  How-
ever Norway has run important intelligence (sigint) operations in Finnmark,
which has contributed to NATO security.  
    It will be interesting to see how relations "normalize."
From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:10:22 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Apple

In article <1992Nov10.220537.11086@ugle.unit.no>, jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan
Arne Fagertun) wrote:
> In article <1992Nov10.061941.7946@jyu.fi>, ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
> |> Olen l{hd|ss{ 11.11.92 ty|matkalle Ven{j{lle, Karjalan tasavaltaan
> |> Petroskoihin.
> |> Terveisin,
> |> Jarmo Ryyti
> I risk being a racist - but I couldn't resist  (-:
> 
> It sure is practical to post in a language that only a minority in
> Norden understands... :-)

...especially when this guy most likely was teached Swedish in
school :-). I will always have a hard time understanding people that
complain about learning a new language. You know, I studied German
in High School and college, and yes I have never had a need (with
the exception when I bought a camera in Wienna). However I feel
really bad about the current situation when my German skills are
slowly disappearing. 

One reason I appreciate European high school education is the level
of language training. If someone wants to kill that, they don't
realize the consequences. Especially if they want to kill the teaching
of Swedish, and at the same time the economy in Finland is in shambles
and their most important trade partners are in the West, not in the
East. It's a good sign of narrow-minded thinking, IMHO.

Kent
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DISCLAIMER: Private activities on the Net.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
Subject: Re: Swedofobia in Jarmo Ryyti
Organization: /home/ludviga/cindy/.organization
	<BxJqrr.xK@news.chalmers.se> <1992Nov11.144457.16246@ugle.unit.no>
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:06:43

Jan Arne Fagertun writes:
>What is a swede (apart from a person from Sweden) ?

A root vegetable also called a rutabaga.  I believe (hedgehedge) this
is the same vegetable that Norwegians call "k}lrot".  Anyway, it's a
member of the turnip family.

(You mean to tell me that there are people who don't keep dictionaries
at their office...?)

-Cindy Kandolf
 cindy@solan.unit.no
 Trondheim, Norway
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: What Became of Rolf Bjoerling?
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:01:08 GMT
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista

In article <BxEA58.CyE@world.std.com> werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner) 
writes:

   >Does anyone know what became of him?  Is he still singing?  His father
   >had the most beautiful tenor I have ever heard!

  He was a singer at the Stockholm Opera for quite a few years, but I
haven't seen his name mentioned for some time, so maybe he's retired.
As far as I recall, he got mixed review during his career: not so hot,
adequate, pretty good.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: kimmel@cortex.sai.vtt.fi     (Jyrki Kimmel)
Subject: void subject()
Summary: Gopher search from WAIS bible.src
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland (VTT/SAI)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:28:25 GMT


In article <1daodlINN95u@cs.tut.fi> ks54079@cs.tut.fi (Saarinen Kimmo Samuli) writes:
>I really love this guy !
>
>In article <TORKEL.92Nov4171118@bast.sics.se> 
>torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) writes:
>>In article <1d8mnlINN5hg@cs.tut.fi> 
>>ks54079@cs.tut.fi (Saarinen Kimmo Samuli)
>> writes:
>>
>>   >And you started the discussion from void ?

0000449KJV   
910101
Genesis: Chapter 1

 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.


I really love Gopher... I wonder where we should move THIS thread?

dev/null?

Jyrki
-- 
Jyrki Kimmel, VTT Medical Engineering Laboratory kimmel@cortex.sai.vtt.fi
signature in proposal in peer review phase (PPRP). Proposed motto:
"El{m{ on kivaa!" ("Life is fun!")  -Kaisa-Maria, age 3
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 09:43:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.190950.6255@nntp.hut.fi>, jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
|> 
|> Do people living Skaane speak a different language and are they
|> forbidden to speak that language in daghemmet?
|> 
|> I don't see what the relevance of what the people are calling
|> themselves is.  I do think Jarmo was out to lunch grouping people who
|> emigrated to Sweden from Finland together with people in Tornedalen.
|> 
|> //Jyrki
|> 
--


I agree that people should not be forbidden to talk their own language
or dialect. But I can't see that people being forbidden to talk finnish
in Sweden is a special concern for Finland if the finnish talking
people don't call themselves finns. It should be very much the same
problem for Finland as if people were forbidden talking for instance
swahili or skaansk.


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| Jan Arne Fagertun, Research Engineer, SINTEF Division Thermodynamics|
| E-mail: Jan.A.Fagertun@termo.unit.no                                |
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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Assimilationspolitik av finnar i Sverige
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:55:52 GMT
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Nov5.094311.29852@ugle.unit.no>, jafitv@termo (Jan Arne Fagertun) writes:
>I agree that people should not be forbidden to talk their own language
>or dialect. But I can't see that people being forbidden to talk finnish
>in Sweden is a special concern for Finland if the finnish talking
>people don't call themselves finns. It should be very much the same
>problem for Finland as if people were forbidden talking for instance
>swahili or skaansk.

I agree mostly.  But for Tornedalen it _is_ a concern for some people
in Finland, namely those living in Finnish Tornedalen.  There's a long
tradition of common culture - people marry from other side of the
river, work there, go to buy things which are cheaper on the other
side, etc.

And yes, this is a separate question of Finnish people moving to other
parts of Sweden.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Soon it's Christmas (Was: Finns and Sw
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:44:19 GMT

Jan Arne Fagertun writes:
>Kjell Siimon writes:

>|> Don't start this arguing all over now again!

>BTW: You all know that Santa Claus is from N..... ?

There we go again! How about we talk about something nice like the
different sizes of sewage systems instead of kings, seals, whales,
Santa Claus, finns, finlanders, swedes, taxes and the welfare state?

But of course Santa is from ######. Huh, what was that? The
>>>>>>net.cencor<<<<<< strikes again?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Pakkoruotsi Suomen kouluissa
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:59:31 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland

In article <WALVER.92Nov12071717@kielo.uta.fi> walver@uta.fi (Ville Walveranta) writes:
>        Why not? I've seen number of threads here in soc.culture.nordic
>        in Swedish about Swedish matters

  Complain to the author of most of them then: J*rmo Ryyti

>  ***   Ville V. Walveranta      Tel/Fax.....: (510) 420-0729       ***

-bertil-
--
"Ack! Phht!" - Bill the Prez
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: hpv@kelvin.uio.no (Hans Peter Verne)
Subject: Re: Ethnic cleansing of the Finns in Northern-Sweden
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:39:43 GMT


In article <1992Nov7.090608.28424@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes
yet another long article, complaining  about how Finns have been 
harassed by the Swedes...

Oh no, not again !! ( *sigh* )

Hans Peter.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: minow@apple.com (Martin Minow)
Subject: Re: Deaths among orienteers
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:47:27 GMT
Organization: Macintosh Developer Services
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic

Regarding the unfortunate deaths among elite orienteers -- there has been
some discussion of this in the orienteering mailing list. Apparently,
it is due to a flu-like illness that weakens the heart muscle. It is a
fairly common illness and those who catch it should stop training for
long enough to allow the body to heal. From the notes in the mailing list,
it seems that the deaths may have been due to resuming elite-level training
too soon after the obvious symptoms of the illness had passed.

To subscribe to the orienteering mailing list, send a request to
    orienteering-request@graphics.cornell.edu

Martin Minow
minow@apple.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Subject: Re: CIA -- Palme allegations
Keywords: CIA, Palme, murder, Sweden
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:02:41 GMT

elster@cs.cornell.edu (Anne C. Elster) writes:
>CNN Headline News(*) here in the U.S. had a story this morining
>concerning linking the CIA to the Palme murder.

>What's the scoop in Sweden on this?

There was a news-magazine show on TV2 last night.  I saw only a
little.  They tried to show some links to the CIA, but to me they
didn't seem very strong...  They also seemed to implicate the Swedish
police as well...

Note that "the CIA as culprit" is not really a new idea in Sweden...
-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: HOFER@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Hannes Hofer)
Subject: Deaths among orienteers
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:40:39 GMT

I just read some disturbing news about 7 Swedish top orienteers who had died
in the last three years.
The article did not go into details, but it said something about a TWAR
bacterie.
Does anyone have any information about this. What is this TWAR? Why only elite
orienteers? I heard that all elite orienteers in Sweden and Denmark have been
advised to stop training. More information would be appreciated as I myself is
a practitioner of the sport and I have may friends doing it as well.
 
For those not in knowing:
Orienteering is a sport where the competitors navigate a course on foot through
unknown terrain with the help of a map and a compass. The sport originated in
Sweden but is now popular throughout Europe and has gained followers throughout
the world.
 
Hannes Hofer, Rice University, Houston Texas