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From: zfs60@cas.org (Zhiyong John Shen)
Subject: Re: Japanese programming languages?
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
	<1992Dec14.202710.752@ifi.unizh.ch> <BzADH7.EHA@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
	<1992Dec15.082653.45652@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
	<HUTTAR.92Dec18181056@hp750.itg.ti.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:01:09 GMT


Why not postscript, in which the operator (verb) is always at the end.
This would fit Japanese nicely and squarely.

--John
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: pjyamamo@WATDRAGON.UWATERLOO.CA (Peter Yamamoto)
Subject: Re: supply and demand of Japanese teachers
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:48:11 GMT

In article <9212221442.AA07082@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> you write:
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: SASAKI@RHODES.BITNET
Subject: "gohan no ato DE" vs. "gohan no mae NI"
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17: 47:27 TZONE
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:48:03 GMT

Could someone explain why DE, rather than NI, is appropriate in the following
sentence:

"Gohan no ato DE mata kimasu."

c.f. "Gohan no mae NI mata kimasu."

Is this DE a variation of "termination" use (Makino & Tutui 1986)?

Mummy Man in Memphis
Y. Sasaki
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: ryoichi@athena.mit.edu (Ryoichi Hashimoto)
Subject: Preface for Study on Ultraman
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:01:18 GMT

I think some of you will be interested in "A Preface for Study on Ultraman."
If it is an obsolete topic, please excuse/execute me.

It is an omnibus of short articles on Ultraman written by a group of
young scholars.

For example, one sociologist analyses how much KATOKUTAI (monster
attacking unit) fits the movement of feminism, by studying Ms. Akiko
Fuji's case.  A computer scientist analyses strategic information
system adopted in monster attacking unit.  An economist calculates the
economical damage Tokyo suffers every week.  Then a political
scientist discusses who are responsible for the re-construction of
Tokyo. Can you sue Ultraman if he tumble over your house to crash it
while he is fighting with a monster? And a lawyer discusses whether
monsters have human right or not, or whether earthmen are qualified to
kill monsters or not.

Of course they are joking, but they are so ser9ously joking that you
can laugh!

It is, however, written in Japanese.  How a good incentive to learn
Japanese!

-- ryoichi
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: lpoza@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU (Luis Poza)
Subject: Re: Japan info list
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:53:50 GMT

 > Also can anyone recommend any good but affordable Ryokan in
 > Osaka,Kyoto,Nara and Tokyo?

In Tokyo you should stay at Kimi Ryokan in Ikebukero.  STAY AWAY from
Okubo House; while it's only Y2000 a night (or was) it's filthy and
crowded and the owner sprays disinfectant on you just after lights out
(I kid you not).  Kimi, OTOH, is (or was) Y5000 a night, and you get a
nice, clean, air-conditioned room.  I don't have any address or phone
number, but the koban (police box) on the west side of Ikebukero station
has (or had) directions for it (a flier, as I recall).  This information
is 2 years old, but should still be fairly accurate.

  --Luis
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: 0003647572@MCIMAIL.COM (Stuart Podell)
Subject: Japanimation
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:41:00 GMT

I know this question should be posted on the Japanimation list, but I was hoping
that someone here might be able to help me without me subscribing to that list.

Last night I was pleased to discover that one of my all time favorite shows as a
child is now being played on MTV (MTV is our music television station in
America).  The show I'm talking about is Speed Racer.  When I was a child I
never really noticed how odd the English translation is and how fast the
dialogue is (I assume this is due to the fact that the translators needed to get
the entire dialogue into the scene).

Is there anyone out there that has seen the original Japanese Speed Racer?  I'm
particularly interested in the Japanese names of the characters.  I've always
wondered why Speed Racer has a 'G' on his t-shirt and Trixie has an 'M' on hers.

-Stuart Podell
 <spodell@mcimail.com>
From: sjoerd@eri.research.ptt.nl (Sjoerd Roorda)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: MTV; strange sign
Summary: I wonder what's written on the sign in the street in a recent
Keywords: tv, japan, lang
Date: 31 Dec 92 09:43:12 GMT
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands

I am studying the Japanese language as a hobby (besides graduating as a
telecommunications engineer). For weeks I have been trying to figure out
what is written on a sign in a commercial. 

The commercial is by Nike and stars 'Air' Jordan and some monster, playing 
basket ball. In the very first part there is a greenisch neon sign with a
japanese text on it. The commercial is shown very regularely on MTV (europe), 
but I guess it will be shown on a lot of other networks as well.

Will, PLEASE, anybody help me to find out what this message says?

Thanks in advance,
Sjoerd Roorda

E-mail S.J.Roorda@research.ptt.nl
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: my plan & some basic questions.
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:50:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.015946.99@rediris.es> mcastro@rediris.es writes:
>	-The "Japanese Kana Workbook" have series of pictures showing how to 
>	 write the kana. First you draw this, then that, etc. Is it a problem
>	 to draw the kana however you want?. I suppose that's the standard way,
>	 and you can draw the way you find easier.

You've answered your own question.
More importantly, the given order enables you to write the kana in
correct shape in a natural manner.

>	 Same Thing happens in the 
>	 Kadansha's kanji guide, and in other book I read about how to draw
>	 Kanji correctly. I'm curious about this, because I haven't saw 
>	 nobody writing japanese.

Is it so?
For example, do you write the letter "c" from the bottom up?
Do you write "b" by first drawing the "o" and then "|"?
Or what order do you write "k"?
It's the same idea.

>man@taf.fundesco.es <- I prefer this one. |       ( Manuel Angel Castro )
>mcastro@rediris.es                        |

Is "es" for Espana~?

-Yuzuru Hiraga
From: 0003647572@MCIMAIL.COM (Stuart Podell)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Japanimation
Date: 23 Dec 92 15:17:00 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

In regards to the request about the Japanimation list, below is a listing of
Japanese related lists that was posted here some time back.  The Japanimation
list is ANIME-L:

Ref# Listname Nodename List title
---- -------- -------- ----------
0102 JAPAN    FINHUTC  Info-Japan
0115 NIHONGO  FINHUTC  Nihongo
0784 HEPNET-J JPNKEKVM Japanese HEPnet Discussion List
0863 JPINFO-L JPNSUT00 Information list about Japan
0864 JPNAD-L  JPNSUT00 Japan Node Administrator's discussion list
0878 JPBIT-L  JPNSUT00 discussion about Japan BITNET
0883 ANIME-L  VTVM1    Japanese animedia and other animation news.
0941 HIROKO   JPNKISCI Taniyama.Hiroko list group (Using KANJI)
0948 NIHONGO  MITVMA   Japanese Language Discussion List
0976 TSTAFF   JPNKISCT All staffs of ISC TOBATA K.I.T
1012 FOREIGN  JPNKISCT Foreigner students group list of K.I.T
1080 NETWORK  JPNKISCI NetWork
1094 5540-PC  JPNKISCI 5540(PC) FILES
1127 HIROKO   JPNSUT30 Taniyama Hiroko list group
1187 Q-AND-A  JPNKISCI Q and A --- Postings for questions and answers
1210 PROFILE  JPNKISCI Self Introduction .....
1214 KEKMAC-L JPNKEKVM KEKMAC-L MAC USER'S LIST
1262 JTEM-L   UGA      Japanese Through Electronic Media
1306 ANNOUNCE JPNKISCI fj.{announce,misc,meeting}
1307 KYUCC    JPNKISCI kyushu-u.cc
1308 KYUSHU   JPNKISCI kyushu.{general,misc}
1674 SHOGI-L  TECHNION The Shogi Discussion List
1686 J-FOOD-L JPNKNU10 Japanese food & culture discussion list
1851 JPBOARD  JPNSUT00 Japan BITNET Board meeting
1973 JPDECNET JPNKEKVM Japan HEP/SPAN DECnet meeting
2421 NAUSICAA BROWNVM  Hayao Miyazaki Discussion Group
2429 ARBEIT   JPNKISCI Arbeit - Text information system by JSS
2430 GAKUMU   JPNKISCI Gakumu - Text information system by JSS
2431 KOUGI    JPNKISCI Kougi - Text information system by JSS
2432 SYOUGAKU JPNKISCI Syougaku - Text information system by JSS
2433 YOBIDASI JPNKISCI Yobidashi - Text information system by JSS


Regards,
Stuart Podell
<spodell@mcimail.com>  Internet
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: greadore@jscprofs.nasa.gov
Subject: Japanese .gif pictures
Organization: nasa/jsc
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:20:36 GMT

Does anyone know where I can download .gif pictures of japanese scenes through
anonymous ftp? Appreciate any feedback.

Gerald Readore
NASA/JSC 
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: harigaya@etl.go.jp (Kikuo Harigaya)
Subject: Re: Japanese terminal emulator for PC ?
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Reply-To: harigaya@etl.go.jp (Kikuo Harigaya,,,Bussei-kiso)
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:34:54 GMT

On 01/02/93(14:26) rvejb@etlcom3.etl.go.jp (John Bozek) wrote
in <1993Jan2.052610.21091@etl.go.jp> (sci.lang.japan:9388/etlss2):

 |I am looking for information on a terminal emulator (like
 |kermit or smart-term or whatever) that will allow me to
 |display Japanese on an IBM PC/AT close that is _not_
 |running DOS/V.  Anybody have any experience with this
 |type of program or know where I can find one ? (that works).

I hear that softwares in KUSO archive might be able to realize
your need.  Please try anonymous ftp to kuso.shef.ac.uk in Sheffield, UK.

 |Happy 1993 !
 
Happy new year 1993!

Kikuo Harigaya: ph1kkh@sunc.shef.ac.uk
Department of Physics, University of Sheffield, UK
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: James_E._Grigsby.ES_M7@XEROX.COM
Subject: Re: Japanimation
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:57:05 GMT

Regarding other Japanimation shown in US (circa 1960's):
The most famous is of course ATOMU (called Astro Boy in the US).  But my
favorite was the story of a boy and his robot, called GIGANTOR in the US.  I
think the Japanese title was something like Tetsuwan 999 ?
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Burakumin
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 17:33:23 GMT

an3936@anon.penet.fi (Silly Question) writes:

>Some people have been using "Burakumin" as an example of racism in Japan.
>Since the burakumin are the same race as the Japanese, isn't this some form
>of class distinction, not racism?
>Or, is that a silly question?


It is not a silly question, that is shown by the fact that the answer is not
simple. In a way of shedding light, allow me the indulgence of answering your
question with another question.

What would be the reaction of a family and their neighbors to finding out
that a grandparent had been burakumin? Would the current family be considered
to be tainted? Would their children be less likely to be considered as marriage
prospects?


Charlie
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: MTV; strange sign
Keywords: tv, japan, lang
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:55:20 GMT

In article <sjoerd.725794992@freyr> sjoerd@eri.research.ptt.nl (Sjoerd Roorda) writes:
>The commercial is by Nike and stars 'Air' Jordan and some monster, playing 
>basket ball. In the very first part there is a greenisch neon sign with a
>japanese text on it. The commercial is shown very regularely on MTV (europe), 
>but I guess it will be shown on a lot of other networks as well.

It's not Jordan, but Charles Bigmouth Barkley blown up 50 times in size.
The monster, of course, is Godzilla (with sunglasses on).
Barkley elbows Godzilla and scores a basket, though he should be
clearly ruled of a charging foul.

>Will, PLEASE, anybody help me to find out what this message says?

Message? What message?
# OK, I'll try looking it up the next time.

-YH
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: wdrew@iat.holonet.net (Walter H. Drew)
Subject: Re: Japanese For Everyone - CD
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:26:24 GMT

mgn@cup.portal.com<Mike G Newman at The Portal System (TM)>writes:

>A recent issue of 'MangaJin' recommends the CD Japanese For Everyone as
the best >CAI material for Japanese.  Any comments on this or other
recommendations? 

I've been using Japanese for Everyone for six months now to supplement
other texts and tapes and find it very helpful at my middle beginner
level. The CD progresses very rapidly toward intermediate level material.
But the steep learning curve is offset by the point and click format which
lets you repeat pronunciation over and over until you are satisfied that
you have it right, typically in complete complex sentences. The point and
click setup also lets you snap back and forth instantaneously among the
default Kanji/Kana text presentation, Romaji, and English.

My version (v.1.2) had a few bugs which may have been fixed in the current
sales copies. A printed warning sheet in the package pointed out the bugs
in the CD and told how to handle them. And the reseller (Canon Shop
Zero-One in Hibiya, Tokyo) demonstrated them for me before letting me buy
the CD. None are more than annoyances. For example, some of the animated
dialogues fall silent during a sentence here and there, but the subsequent
drill always contains the missing audio material.

I like the CD mainly because it helps me learn correct pronunciation in
synch with  the Kanji/Kana written version on the screen.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: my plan & some basic questions.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 02:06:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.015946.99@rediris.es> mcastro@rediris.es writes:
>I'm trying to learn some japanese as a hobby. I can't spent too much time
>to this now, but I don't have a deadline for this ;-) .


	No deadline.  Good.


>Now I use *only* books, -and sometimes the net. No teacher at this time, it 
>doesn't matter to me now -is just some kind of pastime.


	Are cassette tapes totally out?  video?  



>Initially I didn't have a plan -only get that book and read it. This way
>I collected some books - now 5, I count- and some files from the net. But I 
>decided that that was noway to learn, I needed a plan. So my plan is this:
>	-learn some basic japanese, structures, tipical constructs, etc.
>         This time from a book by Noburu Inamoto "Colloquial japanese",
>         ed. Tuttle. I began this but stopped waiting to complete 1st step.



	If you want typical structures and such, might try
	"Japanese: TheSpoken Language" (Hartz Jorden&Noda).  It's
	what mostUniversities are using.  I have not been happy
	with the textbooks (Chinese) available from Tuttle.  


>	-learn the basic kanji -say 200- maybe using a program -kg ? .
>         This step is overlaped with the last one. Here I have the "kodansha's
>         Compact Kanji guide" for backup. I've been browsing this too.
>	-Keep on with the last step -more kanji- and depper knowledge of the 
>         language. I've no support here. But I think I'll find it when I get
>         to this point - at my actual rythm, that is measured in years :-/



	Language first, kanji second.  Oh, they're a good way to build 
	vocabulary, but vocabulary is useless if you can't string together
	a proper sentence.  Plus, learning lots of vocabulary tends to
	produce the direct-translation syndroms.  


>Is this any good?. Now a couple of BASIC questions -please remember I only 
>have written material.
>	-I've never heard `didactic' japanese. I've Ran and Akira but it's the
>	 same as nothing for me now. I think I need audio input, cassetes or 


	I doubt you want to learn your Japanese from manga/anime.  That's
	kind of like learning english from Al Bundy.. 



>	 video. Is there some good things in audio?. I found a book called 
>	"Every day japanese" with cassetes, but don't know how good it is.


	The textbook I mentioned above has laserdiscs, vhs, and audio
	cassettes available, although--other than the audio cassettes, 
	they're not good.  The audio cassettes are *excellent*, however.


-- 
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: fredb@CALVIN.EDU ("Fred H. Bremmer")
Subject: Re: Internet Connections In Japan
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:45:36 GMT

SCOTTP@YVAX.BYU.EDU Writes...
>
> Does anyone out there know the easiest way to get a connection to the internet
> in Japan (I'm still not sure of the specific area yet)? If so, please e-mail
> me directly.

Did you get any replies to your question?  I'm moving to Japan in May,
and I'd like to stay on the Internet too.  Please send me any info you have.

Thanks,

Fred
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: NBRINDLE@INDYCMS.BITNET (NATHAN BRINDLE)
Subject: Re: supply and demand of Japanese teachers
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:02:20 GMT

No, Peter, he's got the right idea for what he wants to do, he just isn't
mailing it to the right place.  He doesn't want to <leave> the list, he
just wants to shut mail off for a while.  He needs to send

SET NIHONGO NOMAIL (no space between NO and MAIL, note!)

to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU.

If he does a SIGNOFF then he has to resubscribe when he comes back.  If he
sets his user option to NOMAIL all he needs to do is send the countercommand,
SET NIHONGO MAIL to LISTSERV@MITVMA.MIT.EDU when he returns.

And I got it on one screen!  :)

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From: gab@cali.Eng.Sun.COM (Gabriel Montenegro)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Slips and Puns in Japanese
Date: 22 Dec 1992 02:02:17 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: cali

A friend of mine told me this one:

He was at the bank just learning how to use the automatic teller,
and a lady was helping him out. She punched the buttons and got
him some money. For some reason he was expecting some change,
and asked for it:

"Oshiri kudasay."

["Otsuri" is change; "oshiri" is your butt.]
  
The "chin-chin" word play is very common among spanish-speaking
gaijins. In Spanish, this is commonly used to say "kampai" when
drinking. In Japan, it means the male sex organ.

I heard of this guy from Chile whose last name was Quintana
(pronounced "kintana"). People would giggle when he said:
"Watasi ha, Kintana desu." ["kin tama" literally means "golden
balls", and it should be obvious what it refers to. ^_^ ]

Something we'd do in Osaka Gaidai was to pull the students legs
saying "ke chikre masu ka?" What we were actually saying was:
"Que chicle masca (what gum do you chew)?" But the to the Japanese
students, it sounded close enough that they kept trying to understand.

A friend of mine likes to ask drunkards on Saturday night for directions
to Hadakanobaba yuki no densha on the Yamanote Sen. It sounds close
enough to "Takadanobaba" to make things confusing.

Then there's my friend who on her second day in Japan got introduced
to an obasan. Instead of saying "hajimemasite", she ended up saying
"gochisou sama desita".

-gabriel montenegro
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: WNN Question
Date: 30 Dec 1992 05:32:38 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

I'm starting to use JWP and have a questiion about the WNN dictionary.
In addition to the WNN file that came with JWP, I seem to have another
copy (probably came with MOKE).  I would like to use the second copy 
because, judging from its file size, it contains more words. My questions: 
How do I generate the WNN index file from WNN?  What exactly is in the
index file?  Is it simple to write an index-generating program?

Yoroshiku Onegaishimasu,

Yoichi Ii




Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan