HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: Re: What happened to Grebek?
Reply-To: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:55:51 GMT

In article <alchemy.714882742@cs1.bradley.edu>, alchemy@cs1.bradley.edu (Mike Swiston) writes:
>
>What happened to Craig Grebek, shortstop for the
>White Sox during Guillen's absence?  He was playing
>very well, but then he disappeared and the Sox
>picked up Sveum.  Now I don't even see Grebek
>listed in the Sox team stats printed in the
>Tribune each week.  What's up?
>
>alchemy@cs1.bradley.edu    

broken leg out for the rest of the season.
From: larryw@sun.lclark.edu (Larry Westdahl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: GRUB
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:29:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Aug28.022951.3029
Distribution: usa
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


Here is a question that came to me while I was drifting in and out of 
sleep last night.  It is a silly question, more or less, but now that I
have thought of it, it has bothered me greatly!  Here goes:

When professional teams are on the road, does the organization provide
grub for the team?  Or, do they assume that since they pay those guys
so much each year, they can damn well get their own food!

Just wondering. . .

- Lawrence  (He who is most curious)

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From: steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cubs fans arrogant
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:50:45 GMT
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

> = (Bri Farenell) writes:

[...]
>I would like to address the behavior of many Cubs' fans during the re-alignment
>controversy. The Cubs and their fans said that re-alignment was not in the
>best interest of baseball. If anyone believes that was their motive, I've
>got some nice real estate in Beiruit you might be interested in.

No matter what you think of the Cubs and their fans, you have to face the
fact that in the agreement signed in 1969 by all the teams to allow
divisional realignment, the National League _guaranteed_ that the Cubs
could veto any move to another division.  Period.  It doesn't matter what
the Cubs' reasoning is here, nor the fans.

Then you have to decide if Vincent is trivializing the "best interests of
baseball" clause.  It's been shown that the *cost* benefit from a Cubs move
to the West is so minimal, I'm sure the Cubs would pay it themselves.

And I didn't notice ANYone complaining, nor did I notice baseball
suffering, from 1969-1991.

[...]
>Another example of Cubs fans arrogance was shown in a recent letter to the
>Sporting News. A Cub fan wrote in telling everyone to go to hell except Cubs'
>fans. He wrote, "...Who cares about insignificant markets like Atlanta and
>Cincinnati?" 

This fan was an ass.  You're deluded if you think all, or even more than a
small minority, think the same way.

>I realize that this realignment talk is screwed up by the Giants' move
>to St Pete but my point about the fans still stands.

No it doesn't.  You're attempting to paint all fans with the brush of a few
loudmouths.

>All in all, I like the Cubs and Wrigley Field. They certainly do not have
>fair-weather fans like one of the teams mentioned in the above paragraph
>but they can sometimes act as though Major League Baseball revolves around
>the south side of Chicago.

Um, the Cubs are the NORTH side Chicago team.


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From: shimkus@athena.cs.uga.edu (Peter Gambit)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:49:36 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


Why is everyone so surprised that they traded Cone....they know that they cant 
afford him, and they are pretty much out of contention this year....its time to
start thinking about next year, Mets-fans.

--Peter Gambit

In article <1992Aug27.173233.29722@parc.xerox.com> zappala@parc.xerox.com (Daniel Zappala) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.165952.7055@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>> 
>> I don't think it's a particular good deal if the Jays can't sign Cone.  From
>> the Mets standpoint, they get two good third basemen, so I suppose this means
>> they won't sign Magadan.
>
>Sprague can also play first and catcher, as well as third, so there should
>be room for him on the Mets.  I remember watching him play at Stanford,
>as well as his first time up with the Jays, and I was impressed.  I think
>the Mets made a good acquisition, although I'm still stunned they
>traded Cone...
>
>Daniel
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From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Clark traded from the Sox?
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:55:33 GMT

	Yes, Clark did clean out his locker (name plate and all) but has
insisted that he has not been traded.  The Red Sox have been trying to
give him to the Angel all season but the Angels don't want to pay him
that much.  The Red Sox have asked the commissioner to allow them to
assume more than 700,000 of Clark's remaining salary.  If they can, you
may see Clark in California to stay after this upcoming series.  We shall
have to wait and see.

--
Larry King
GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king%ssvax.dnet@get.com
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Canseco Trade....It's not enough that you steal him...You WHINE!
Keywords: You're JOKING, right, Buckwheat?
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:21:43 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <16778@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Under The Gun Huckabay) writes:
>Furthermore, in moving from a somewhat chilly climate to a warm on in
>Texas, it's likely that Canseco's recurring back problems will not
>bother him as much, allowing him to play more ball games.


I was right with you up to this point Gary. Is there any real evidence that
back injuries are affected by hot weather one way or the other? Oakland
is certainly cooler than Texas, but 70-80 seems to be the norm for day
games, 60's for night games, its not like playing at Candlestick.

I've said it before and until Peter Gammons hinted at the same thing in
his Baseball America article this week I fully believed it(anything
Peter agrees with I have to rethink). Canseco's back problems are related
to carrying more weight than he should carry on his frame. Gammons
said several experts attribute all the back and ribcage injuries to
players using steroids, getting too big and then hurting themselves. he
didn't name any names but when I read it considering the timing, I figured
he was probably speculating about Canseco and McGwire(neither of whom I
believe to have used steroids BTW).

Canseco was about 205-210 in Huntsville in AA, he was about 215-220 as
a rookie in 86. Supposedly he's about 240 now. Thats alot of extra weight
to carry, even if its mostly muscle and it causes back problems. Its
very common in football, and not just for steroid users, its very common
among weightlifters and body builders, and I think its Jose's problem
too, he's just too big. If he slimmed down to 220, he'd be about the same
size as he was in AA, and about the same size as Juan Gonzalez, and he'd
still be the best power hitter in the game IMHO.

Texas heat hasn't helped Nolan Ryan's back much this year, although he's
obviously considerably older, so I am a little skeptical that heat alone
will abate Jose's back problems. I certainly hope something abates his
problems, because I would LOVE to see what he can do in a full year 
playing for the Rangers.




Russ Smith
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From: sinhaa@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Anand Sinha)
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:27:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.162943.13131@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.133928.28907@sni.ca> dave@silver.sni.ca (Dave Till) writes:
>>
>>The Jays are a staggeringly wealthy team.  They draw 4+ million a year,
>>have a nation-wide TV contract, and rich owners (90% Labatt beer,
>>10% Bank Of Commerce).  This is the first year that they have really
>>flexed their financial muscles.
>
>The Jays may have a nation-wide TV contract, but the Yankees have a
>larger potential audience.  After all, the population of Canada isn't
>*that* much larger than the population of NYC.

Well probably double anyhow.  25million or so Canadians at the last count.
How many people in NYC? 12? 13 million? But, the Yankees do have a larger
audience, as there are Yankee fans (and haters) everywhere.  Canadians
can relate to this...it's known as the Montreal Canadiens effect in Canada :-).
>
>No, White did *adequately* last year.  Even then, his OBP wasn't very
>good.  And this year?  How many bases do you have to steal to justify
>a .283 OBP in the leadoff spot?  His defense is great, but his offense
>seriously hurts the team in the leadoff spot.  Can't they hide him
>somewhere like sixth or ninth in the order?

Yes, they should.  No amount of speed makes up for the pathetic .290 OBP.  The
Jays should lead off (here it comes, flame away) Olerud.  Since Alomar
MUST bat 3rd, Winfield 4th and Carter 5th, the Jays really need to find
a #2 hitter.  Unless they can find a real leadoff man, and move Olerud to
the #2 spot, where he belongs.

Anand Sinha                                         sinhaa@mcmaster.ca
Blue Jays #1 -> all the way in '92
Roberto Alomar for MVP
Juan Guzman ... give it a good shot at Cy Young...


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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: roy NL
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 16:52:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.150823.27605@athena.mit.edu> chico@athena.mit.edu (Thomas A Weston) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.020048.17416@leland.Stanford.EDU>, claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes
>|> 
>|> Dodger Stadium is a pitchers' park, but it is no AstroDome.  You are
>|> misunderstanding the park factor; it is a factor of how many runs Dodgers and
>|> their opponents score at home vs. how many runs Dodgers and their opponents
>|> score in other places.
>
>You're underestimating how miserable Dodger Stadium is for hitters.  When you
>consider that a pitching staff full of alleged pitchers like Bobby Ojeda, Orel
>Hershiser, Ramon (no arm) Martinez and Kevin Gross has a better ERA than Greg
>Swindell, Tim Belcher, Jose Rijo, etc. you see that Sanders is getting a lot
> of help from his stadium while Karros is getting clobbered by his.

But the Reds have their share of bad pitchers.  Tom Bolton.  Chris Hammond.
Scott Ruskin.  Tom Browning (before he went on the DL).
>
>Also, the park factor I'm referring to is calculated as a team runs scored and
>runs allowed per game.  This puts all stats in the team context.  It doesn't
>actually address the park directly, but in some ways is more valid.  Take a look
>at the Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract for more explanation.

I think this is useless.  If a team has a great pitching staff and a horrible
offense, you want to *penalize* the staff for its greatness and *award* the
offense for its mediocrity?

More specifically, if you have a staff of Clemens, Maddux, Glavine, Guzman,
Appier, et al., and a lineup of Stevens, Lind, Stillwell, Gaetti, Hayes,
Cuyler, Eisenreich, Servais, and Brooks, does that suddenly make Stevens
(probably the best offensive player in the group) a great player?

>How exactly do you figure Sanders among the league's 'elite center fielders
>offensively?'  No fewer than 4 center fielders have been better this season.  I
>calculated Offensive Winning Percentages for every decent NL center fielder and
>Andy Van Slyke, Brett Butler, Ray Lankford and Otis Nixon all came out better. 
>Plus they all have more at bats than Reggie.  The other Sanders, Deion, comes out
>better, but he has around 20 fewer at bats.  Reggie Sanders appears to be maybe
>the fourth or fifth best offensiver center fielder in the NL.  Being barely above
>average rarely makes a player elite.
>

And how do you arrive at your Offensive Winning Percentages?  Van Slyke and
Butler have been better, but I would hardly concede that Lankford and Nixon
have been better.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Why aren't there more baseball player actors?
Organization: Clark University
Date: 31 AUG 92 14:18:10 GMT

There are such a lot of ex-football players who turn into actors
(alleged actors, that is).  Alex Karras, Dandy Don Meredith, etc. etc.
and let's not forget that brilliant thespian Fred Dryer.  How come
there aren't any ex-baseball player actors?  There's Bob Uecker
I suppose, but other than that I can't think of anybody.

A sportswriter friend of mine has a theory about this.  He says
that baseball players are much, much stupider than athletes in
other sports (even hockey!  I was surprised at that) and therefore
are too dumb to be actors.  Any comments?

Heather
Jack Clark University (until he takes off for Calif.)
HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu
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From: atchison@glinda.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Re: Ugliest Man in Baseball??
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:26:49 GMT

In article <92245.134426ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>
>     Willie McGee is pretty ugly (a perfect oxymoron, no?)...
>Brett


Don't look for Tribe pitcher Dennis Cook on the cover of G.Q. anytime soon...

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Computer Science Dept, THE Ohio State University (NOT an Ohio State University)
		Any plagiarisms seen above are not my own...
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: CUB'S MADDUX EASY CHOICE FOR CY
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:36:46 GMT

In article <37534@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:
>
>Though two odd things - the Padres are not scoring as much
>as RC predicts, but they are winning more than Pythagorean
>projections...

Did you factor in the running game?  The Padres steal bases only
slightly worse than lame snails.  Probably worth -10 runs right
there!

Cheers,
-Valentine


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From: gene@ok.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Clark traded from the Sox?
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:53:31 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <farenebt.715008087@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King) writes:
>
>>	Yes, Clark did clean out his locker (name plate and all) but has
>>insisted that he has not been traded.  The Red Sox have been trying to
>>give him to the Angel all season but the Angels don't want to pay him
>>that much.  The Red Sox have asked the commissioner to allow them to
>>assume more than 700,000 of Clark's remaining salary.  If they can, you
>>may see Clark in California to stay after this upcoming series.  We shall
>>have to wait and see.
>
>I was told that Jeff Reardon also cleaned out his locker and I've heard
>no official trade of him either. Any more on that Bostonians?
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>
>"Hockey must be a great game to survive what the NHL has done to it."
>		---Howard Baldwin, Penguins' owner


It looks like Reardon might be heading to Atlanta since the John Franco trade
fell through.

-Gene
From: rls@svcs1.UUCP (Bob Strait)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Canseco traded!!
Date: 1 Sep 92 05:26:02 GMT
Organization: Silicon Valley Computer Society, Sunnyvale, CA

Just announced in the Bay Area ...

Jose Canseco has been traded to the Texas Rangers for
Ruben Sierra, Bobby Witt, and Jeff Russell.

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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Blue Jays 15
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:10:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Sep04.141935.2489@brtph560.bnr.ca> dbloom@bnr.ca (David Bloom P025) writes:
>Olerud
>Alomar
>Gruber
>D White
>D Bell
>E Sprague
>R Knorr
>J Guzman
>Stotlemyre
>Timlin
>Ward
>P Hentgen
>E Zosky
>P Borders
>J Morris
>
You're _sure_ that's your lineup?

In the first round, the Colorado Rockies draft...Carlos Delgado!

The STATS Minor League Handbook puts him at 21 for the 1991 season, which makes
him 20 in 1990.  Players who turned 19 before the end of the 1990 season and
were not drafted in 1991 or 1992 must be protected.

Or is that near Triple-Crown performance a fluke???

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Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * OK, so I AM the AntiChrist.
Be kind...don't disillusion the RBI-lovers. * Net.Agent, "Doublin" David Rossing
Less widely published as Noel Steere; less likely to rampage than Gary Huckabay.
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Collusion or Sanity?
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:43:42 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Sep2.214245.9298@odin.corp.sgi.com>, luigi@bullpen.csd.sgi.com (Randy Palermo) writes:
> In this mornings paper it was reported that the San Diego Padres, in the
> midst of a pennant race, have admitted to trading Craig Lefferts purely
> for economic reasons. They would have had to go over budget to sign him 
> and didn't feel that was in their best interests.


That I feel is true only to a limited extent. 

1) The Padres are done for this season. Yes, theoretically, they can
still win. Yes, the margin is still < 10 games. But, honestly, the
Braves and the Padres have been going in opposite directions in the
past month. No use doing an ostrich imitation. Lefferts was not
going to come back next season. The starting pitchers seems to be a
logjam of [presently] mediocre pitchers (Harris, Seminera,
Deshaises, Lefferts). Might as well give some young arms a shot.

2) Lefferts hasn't pitched well in the 2nd half. The 13 wins is an
illusion. Got some good support early on. He wears out quickly
during games too.

3) Why not get something in return instead of pretending you need
Lefferts down the stretch. SD needed Benes hot more than anybody
else [which he hasn't]. If they were going to contend, Lefferts is
not a must. They will not finish 1st not bcoz of losing lefferts,
but bcoz they have no speed/leadoffman/Benes/manager.



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From: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Heartwarming Jose Story
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:41:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.24643
Reply-To: hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stephen Hambric)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Here's one to add to the Legend of Canseco.

I have two nephews who idolized (note past tense) Jose Canseco.  They
live in Toronto, and every time I'd visit, they'd show me their latest
Canseco baseball cards.  Last year, their Father took them to the Bay
area on a trip, where they attended an A's game.  The kids were ecstatic
about the chance to meet Jose.  Before the game, during warmups, Dad
worked the kids around the stadium so that they were within 20 feet
of their hero.  The oldest (about 10 at the time), adorned with an A's
cap and Canseco T-shirt, called out "Mr. Canseco, could we please have
your autograph?"  The reply:  "20 bucks and its yours."  I haven't heard
my nephews mention Jose since.

Some food for thought for Texans who take their kids to Rangers games:
be sure to bring some twenties to the ballyard.

Steve Hambric (hambric@oasys.dt.navy.mil)
From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Oakland and Texas... I scratch my head....
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:49:34 PST

In article <55955@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
> In article <180hccINNlj2@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu> jeffyg@conquest.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeffrey Wayne Geist) writes:
>>Russell:  The Rangers could not afford to get rid of him.  He was the one
>>          consistency in their beleaguered bullpen.  The A`s definitely dont
>>          need him.  Dont be surprised if hes traded again in the next
>>          couple of days.  He definitely wont be back next season.
> 
> Russell consistent? He led the AL in blown saves, and has a history of 
> injury problems. He was Texas' best reliever, but he wasn't that great.
> He'll help the A's pen now, and then go free agent after the year. 
> 
> Texas got the best power hitter in baseball for Bobby Witt(they wouldn't
> have resigned either Russell or Sierra), they made a great trade.
> 
> Imagine what Canseco, Gonzalez and Reimer will put up offensively next
> year, of course they won't be much of an outfield with the gloves.

   This statement about Canseco, Gonzales and Reimer reminds me of the talk
 before this season began..... Remember all the "Awesome Ranger Offense" posts?
 "Just watch out for Franco, Palmeiro, Gonzales...", etc.
   I agree that it looks good, but lets see how the potential Canseco trade 
 demand, and general health conditions go...

   On the other hand, Gonzales (at 22 this year) may be an awesome offense by
 himself !

 msp 


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From: lsmith@nano.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Famous Netters
Organization: The Little Steeres of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:41:08 GMT

Quiz time:

What r.s.bb. regular's name appears in the latest issue of The Thang?

(That's this weeks issue. We know Gary's face will be splashed over
 next week's issue - "Has Baseball Fanaticism Gone to Far? The Huckabay
 Killspree in Oakland!" - but I'm looking for this issue.)
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 "It's a fine line between   |   "Follow team spirit; and, upon this charge
     stupid and clever"      |    Cry 'God for Kelly! Minnesota and St Olaf!'"	
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From: mit@b30news.ingr.com (Timothy A. Turner)
Subject: Braves New World
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:22:39 GMT

What a wonderful Monday morning! Last night when I went to bed,
the Braves had lost, Glavine had his second loss in a row, the
bullpen remained consistent (bad), and the Reds were leading 3-1
going into the ninth.

When I wake this morning, Dibble has given up the 3-run homer,
the Mets won, and GM John has signed Jeff Reardon.

This week has potential! :)