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From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Reasons for the Gulf War
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:07:18 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article J7n@acsu.buffalo.edu, mjb@acsu.buffalo.edu (Matthew J. Bernhardt) writes:
>ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack Newsbaum) writes:
>>Rush is surprisingly rather clueless about the real cause of the Gulf
>>War, although he does recognize that the brutality involved in the
>>overrunning of Kuwait had nothing to do with it. There never was any
>>threat to the supply of oil coming from the Mideast, even if Saddam
>>Hussein would have managed to conquer Saudi Arabia as well. Indeed,
>>Saddam would have been quite pleased to sell the West all of the oil
>>that it wanted.
>	That can't be known for certain.  What if Saddam decided to use
>differential pricing to favor enemies of the US and its allies?

Could he do this, when there is now a world market?  Perhaps he could
offer discounts but that would only factor into the market price anyway.
If he sold his oil at a high price, people would seek alternate sources
on the world spot market.
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: wmporter@jetson.uh.edu (William M. Porter)
Subject: Re: New Clinton Update Theme Music
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:05:00 GMT

In an article of 13 Aug 1992, Bill Coleman (clmn@midway.uchicago.edu) writes... 

>Today Rush unveiled a new Slick Willy update theme.  He was so enthusiastic
>about it that he didn't even wait for an update to play the new theme.  It's
>good, but I like the old one better.

I agree, Bill. I couldn't figure out what Rush was so enthusiastic about it.
I've had the feeling lately that Rush is not operating with the full half of
his brain engaged--more like two-thirds seems to be tied behind his back. 
I guess he's preoccupied, what which his book coming out, the Convention
about to descend (on my fair city--a mile away from me!), and his t.v. show
to think about as well. 

William Porter  * * * Classical Languages: University of Houston
Internet: wmporter@jetson.uh.edu /or/ CompuServe: 75430,1351
From: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Quayle on abortion
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:08:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Web BBS 1-513-436-9011 6 Lines 1200 News groups 50,000 files!
Reply-To: todd.paulus%theweb@meaddata.com (Todd Paulus) 

TO: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,cdm@pmafire.inel.gov

  .Message-ID: <1992Aug11.001828.8498@pmafire.inel.gov>
  .Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 00:18:28 GMT
  .Subject: Re: Quayle on abortion
  .Followup-To:
  .Keywords:


DC.You make my point.  Read what you posted - it roughly translates to:
  ."We know what's best for you.  You can't be trusted to make an informed
  .decision yourself.  Therefore, by LAW, you must jump through these n
  .hoops before your decision is deemed acceptable to us."  Isn't this
  .the precise thing that Rush Limbaugh harps upon the democrats for?
  .This sort of thing does not promote people thinking for themselves and
  .taking responsibility for their actions.  It is social engineering, pure
  .and simple, a thinly disguised attempt by the anti-choice faction to
  .encroach on people's personal decisions.  And it stinks.

Amen!  But as long as you have people who think, believe, and insist,
they know better than you (a good definition of our Congress?), we will
have to put up with such intrusions.

Regards,
Todd

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From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton's Tax Increases - A Little Truth
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:02:14 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 11150@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
>Mitch from Amiga makes the sweeping generalization;
>
>>Us conservatives WON'T ignore the constitution or try to alter it :)
>
>What about Ollie North?  And isn't the proposed budget amendment
>an alteration of the constitution?

I believe you mean Mike Schwartz from Amiga?  


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: wmporter@jetson.uh.edu (William M. Porter)
Subject: Re: Buchanan's speech
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:14:00 GMT

In an earlier posting, I claimed, "We are in the midst of a crippling attack of
NICENESS in this country." Mike Van Pelt (mvp@netcom.com) replied: 

>Would that we were ... this so-called "niceness" only goes one way.
>It's mandatory "niceness" for Politically Correct groups and people,
>but anything goes for the non-PC.

Mike, I don't think you and I are far apart here: I just need to explain myself
better. This "niceness" I spoke of is somewhat abstract, favored by liberals,
and typically expressed in relationships between the more fortunate and the
less fortunate or between strangers. It is reflected in the reluctance of
people to condemn any action or any person--unless the person being condemned
is a political enemy. It is reflected in the desire of liberals especially to
make it virtually impossible for anyone to fail, even if that means making it
impossible for anyone to really succeed. I would concede that this niceness is
a virtue born of a guilty conscience and seems to affect white folks rather
more than anyone else. Examples abounded in the week after the LA riots. My
favorite was the spectacle of Ted Koppel speaking to a group of confessed and
convicted murderers, very politely, trying to "learn" something from them. One
of the men, somewhat accidentally, mentioned that his daughter does not live in
that neighborhood. It was perfectly clear that the man is not married to his
daughter's wife and does not see the daughter or support her. Why didn't Koppel
nail the guy on this point? Niceness.

Needless to say, this sort of niceness does not keep white candidates from
attacking other white candidates savagely, personally, and unfairly. And
members of oppressed minorities do not feel obligated to be nice or even civil.

William Porter  * * * Classical Languages: University of Houston
Internet: wmporter@jetson.uh.edu /or/ CompuServe: 75430,1351

Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:09:00 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Balanced Budget Amendment
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa, na
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In article <1992Aug10.201723.28048@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
>The proposed balanced budget amendment will work about as well as 
>Graham-Rudmann.   I.E., not at all.    There is no penalty clause.
>How about the following idea;
>
>
>Proposal for a Balanced budget amendment -
>
> [proposal munched]
>
>Wanna bet we'd have nothing but balanced budgets from then on????

No, but what would that mean?  Zip.  Zero.  Nada.  Nothing.  Why?  Because,
that's why :-)  Seriously, all congress would have to do to get around this
law would be to print more money.  End of story - budget is "balanced".
Is this a Good Thing?  Not in my book.  Such action would put the inflation
of the Carter years to shame.  Not that we aren't already on that path,
but that's another story...

Look, no "balanced budget amendment" will ever work, because congress can
always get around it.  There's no substitute for responsible representation,
and the burden for ensuring that falls on the electorate.  This kind of
nonsense (well intentioned, but nonsense anyway) is simply abdication of
that responsibility.  Those who abdicate responsibility get what they 
deserve.  Just like term limits.  They attack symptoms, not root causes. 
It's like treating a cut on the finger with a tourniquet.  It stops the
bleeding, but makes for more serious problems later.
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...Dale Cook    "It isn't pollution that's harming our environment.  It's
                the impurities in our air and water that's doing it."
                ---J. Danforth Quayle
                "Western Civilization is addictive and dysfunctional."
                   --- Albert Gore
The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's)
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From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton & Taxes: 7% for health
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:16:45 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1992Aug14.231026.26702@lsil.com> mitch@lsil.com writes:

->I believe that the "hidden" taxes in Japan are far more severe than
->what we "enjoy" in the US.  Estate taxes are outrageous, often leaving
->nothing to heirs.

 Perhaps that explains why their stock market recently lost 50 percent
of its value.
 The regulation on buissness is a lot higher in the US.

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Quayle on abortion
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:27:38 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1992Aug20.003055.17909@pmafire.inel.gov> cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) writes:
->You say you have faith in the people of this country.  I share that faith.
->That's why I don't want a pure democracy.  But OK.  Suppose we take your
->"advisory" vote, and 51% of the people think that *human* life does NOT
->begin at conception.  Are you willing to live with the results of that?
->Does that change the reality of the situation?  Suppose science demonstrates
->that *human* life begins at conception.  Suppose the people vote that it
->doesn't.  What purpose did the vote serve?

 Look at this. Im the one saying that we need a vote to settle an issue
which is tearing the country apart, and im being labelled a control freak.
Your main reason for not doing the voter research is that it may conflict
with science ? The old big government scare tactic. Lets have the vote and
examine the results. It may even educate ourselfs about ourselfs. What are
you afraid of ?
 I am an individualist who thinks that socialist are trying to empower them-
selves via divisionary issues. We must draw the line somewhere or we will
eventually lose our individualism. Everyone will end up wearing the latest
clothes and speaking the latest political correctness. We wont even dare
think freely anymore. We may eventually allow the socialist to kill at will.

 Steve Tyree - These opinions are mine and mine alone.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Japan and capital gains tax.
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:57:25 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Aug12.195436.29184@lsil.com> mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako) writes:
> In article 17721@athena.cs.uga.edu, tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug11.172951.1972@spdc.ti.com> dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:
> >Well, the capital gains is plain stupid, and those on capitol hill that want
> >it are loathing the thought of that money not being given to them.  Japan
> >has no tax as such, nor Germany.  How can we compete with the world on a
> >fair basis with a stupid tax in addition to individual income earning.
>
> Ted,  I don't have the exact figures, but Japan and Germany have extremely
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No need to say more.

> progressive tax rates.  I know they are well above 50%.  I also know that in
> Germany, people who are in high positions, usually bypass salary increases and
> take raises in the form of perks, cars, expense accounts, housing allowances,
> etc.  Similarly, in Japan, expense accounts are a form of a perk, thus bypassing
> the high tax rates (I think around 70% for someone making over $90,000).
>

The tax rate could be 1,000,000%, but if NOBODY pays it, it's just a useless
and irrelevant number.  When we talk about raising tax rates in the US, even
on 1% or 2% of the population, we are talking about MILLIONS of people paying
the tax.

> Also, in Japan there are punitive capital gains taxes on real estate gains
> which is why people don't turnover their houses so quickly (if ever) as they
> do here.
>

Mitch, you are bordering on the ridiculous.  I happen to have EXACT figures:

Japan's total land area: 145,870 sq. miles - that's about 1,000 people
per sq. mile.  We're talking about HALF the US population living in an
area the size of Montana.  Supply and demand is why people don't
turnover their houses so quickly.  The price of a SQUARE FOOT of prime
Tokeo real estate is $100,000. At those prices, nobody can afford to
buy or sell.

And with ANY kind of capital gains tax, it is wiser to BORROW money
against equity.  Borrowed money is not taxed at ANY rate.


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--
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From: ATERO@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Clinton's broken promise
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:17:28 GMT
Organization: Arizona State University

Has anyone heard a satisfactory explanation from Clinton as to why he went back
on his promise not to run for president if he was elected governor?

I heard this on a local talk show while the host was interviewing a Clinton
campaign worker.  His job was to cover the convention and point out lies told
by the republicans. A caller asked him about it and he conceded it was true
but changed the subject when the caller sought an explanation.

Eric Owens
Xref: sparky alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:4507 alt.rush-limbaugh:3633
From: gmartin@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (George Martin)
Subject: Re: Lots of new millionairs
Organization: NRAO
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 23:35:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.230535.1450@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> gmartin@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (George Martin) writes:

I wrote [and deleting all of Mike's post and most of my followup]

>the amount equals the prize.  It could take a number of years for the
>full pay off.  Does such a situation make one a millionaire for statistical
>counting purposes?

I would hope a million dollar prize which took several years to pay off
would not be counted as a million dollar income by the IRS for the year
in which the prize was awarded.
-- 
George Martin
Systems Analyst                     NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Internet: gmartin@something.aoc.nrao.edu
"Skating away on the thin ice of the new day."  (Ian Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Zych)
Subject: Re: Balanced Budget Amendment
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa, na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:30:49 GMT

tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:

>Proposal for a Balanced budget amendment -

>1)  The formula used to calculate the budget will not be altered from that used
>in 1992  [or whatever year... this prevents cooking the books]

>2)  Any congressman, senator, president or vicepresident holding office
>during a year in which a non-balanced budget is approved, will be
>allowed to serve out their current term of office, but shall then be
>inelligable to hold US Federal elected or appointed ofice for 10 years
>following the completion of that term of office.

>Wanna bet we'd have nothing but balanced budgets from then on????

And how about:

3)  The first item to be cut in attempting to balance the budget is the
salaries of aforementioned senators, representaves, and Pres/VP.


Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: KKRUEGER@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Kurt R. Krueger)
Subject: Re: Is Bush Conservative?  Ask Michael Kinsley
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:07:10 GMT
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In <1684174DF.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:

> According to Michael Kinsley (you may know him as the guy who faced off
> against Pat Buchanon on crossfire, and he surely is a liberal),
> Bush is by no means a conservative - his actions lean toward moderate
> or even liberal.  I don't have the exact quote but if I had the time
> I could find it.  The point is that overall, considering his action on
> the quota bill, raising taxes, and bending over for Tom Foley, it is
> difficult to see conservative intentions.  I think he may be a clear
> vessel which takes the color of whatever gets put into him.

I've heard Mr. Kinsley say this as well, and that he would say this should
be of no surprise to anyone.  I don't know of any liberals off the top of my
head who have ever called the president a conservative, and I can name
quite a few who think he's just wishy washy.  The only people who call him
conservative are the socialists and the Usenet people who watch an hour of
CNN and read USA Today and think they're policy analysts.  The fact is, all
the top conservatives have distanced themselves from this man for years,
and Mr. Bush himself has disavowed the conservative movement in a few mo-
ments of candor.  You USA Today readers who think Pres. Bush is a conser-
vative just need to think back to the 1980 election campaign (if you're
old enough).  The conservatives were in an uproar when Ronald Reagan picked
Mr. Bush for his running mate.

BTW, I've been meaning to post this for ages, but it just keeps slipping my
mind, so I am going to do it now.  The summer 1992 issue of Policy Review
has an interview with Rush as done by William Bennett.  This issue also has
a number of other great articles, including how school children are being
fed ecomyths as the Gospel truth and how LBJ's Great Welfare Society has
screwed up the nation.  This isn't a really major publication, so I don't
know whether your local library will have it.  If not, check a university
library.


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From: clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: New Clinton Update Theme Music
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:30:33 GMT
Reply-To: clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Department of Economics

Today Rush unveiled a new Slick Willy update theme.  He was so enthusiastic
about it that he didn't even wait for an update to play the new theme.  It's
good, but I like the old one better.

I felt the same way when Rush tried to change the Perot theme music.

Maybe I'm just too conservative, as in resistant to change.  Is it just me?
Does Rush really tend to get these things "right" the first time around, or
do I have inflexible taste?

On reflection, I do prefer the newer Feminazi music.  Hmmm...

-- 
Bill Coleman
clmn@midway.uchicago.edu
From: Phil_Warburton@grace.UUCP (Phil Warburton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Clinton Will Raise YOUR Taxes - NOT!
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Aug 92 22:44:58 EST
Organization: Graceful Boot BBS (send replies to moscom.com!grace!User_Name)

 A> the hell that is....  "This has been a free state for over 200 years,
 A> but
 A> it's time for a change!!!!"), I will place a vote of "no confidence"
 A> in the
 A> entire farrago of nonsense that masquerades as "ideas" these days.

Vote for Pat Paulsen! :> Seriously though, America is NOT a free state. It
is "Semi-Free", and if we don't change it, it will be "not free".

Saddam Hussein still has a job, do you? Fire Bush in '92!

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From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: A fine opportunity for DITTOHEAD flameage
Date: 13 Aug 92 23:19:12 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 77596@ut-emx.uucp, zeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Mark Gansle) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.202949.2635@lsil.com> mitch@lsil.com writes:
>>A guy called in today and questioned him about his lies and non-truths.
>>He really laid it in there about the EIB BUILDING too.  BTW, there is no
>>EIB BUILDING!  This guy cut Limbaugh to shreds and it left him virtually
>>speechless. Of course, Limbaugh gave him 30 seconds to the break and then
>>cut him off.
>Actually, I've never heard Rush talk about an EIB building, I only hear him
>speak of the Institute.  Of course, whether he said it or not is irrelevant.
>What matters is that, as entertainment, Rush has obviously MADE UP the EIB 
>stuff for fun.  He bitched because Rush's claims to a ridiculous number
>of new listeners every minute turned out to be outrageous.
>Personaly, I think Rush took the wrong tack with this guy.  He took him
>seriously, but he should have made fun of him for obsessing over trivialities.
>PS.  Mitch, notice I didn't call the caller stupid? :)

I've heard him talk about the EIB building many times.  I think you are wrong
that he made up the EIB building stuff for fun, also.  I believe he makes that
stuff up to create an image that is bigger than reality.  The 432 new callers
per hour stuff is coupled with his 12 million listeners and growing figure.
I have no problems with the puffery since I don't believe any of it but I
do think it's harmful to his loyal lackeys who may actually believe it.  

Again, it's his show, and he can do as he pleases since it's only his ratings
that count.  Also, you are right that he used the wrong tactics against him.
I detected a rather uncommon defensive posture on Limbaugh's part which was
totally out of character for him.

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