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From: fetrow@biostat.washington.edu (David Fetrow)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:29:14 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Biostatistics, School of Public Health, Univ. of Wash.

Date: 28 Aug 92 00:10:57 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.001057.3410@u.washington.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors

In article <1992Aug26.175124.19683@twg.com> david@twg.com (David Herron) writes:
>[Peter da Silva rants about the amount of memory required by modern
>GUIsh systems...]
>
>So why not spend some of this new `power' on making the user interface nicer?
>
>Lots of people point at 3d borders on widgets and try to make fun of them.
>Look at it from the other slant for a moment.. throw away the 3d borders
>and use a Mac (pre System 7) or something written with Athena Widgets.
>How does the user tell the difference between a button and a text entry 
>box?  They both look *the* *same* (a box with text inside).  But on Motif 
>(for instance) the button looks like a button because it's raised, while 
>text entry areas look like text entry because they're sunken.  Yeah it takes
>more code & CPU power to do this.  So what?  It isn't a lot and advantages
>come from it.
>
>I could go on, but there's work to do...

 I believe part of Peters point is that, while you need more than 64K
to pull this kind of stuff off we shouldn't need 4MB+. PC-geos, for
example, demonstrates this (it runs OK on my 640K PC) and they could get
smaller if they had to. Size and program (as opposed to developer) efficiency
is almost a non-consideration these days....even in operating systems!


-- 
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From: klee@wsl.dec.com (Ken Lee)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Xwst3d window server runs out of memory
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:16:19 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:57:24 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug31.165724.28538@PA.dec.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

|> The problem in this configuration is that programs that work fine on any
|> regular Xws display fail with an X window error BadAlloc on the Xwst3d
|> when it is tried to load larger sized images (> 1k x 1k) into pixmaps.
|> The server apparently runs out of resources (data memory?). Smaller
|> images work fine.

It is common for X servers supporting graphics accelerators to limit pixmaps
to the size of the screen (root window).

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From: lehors@koala.inria.fr (Arnaud Le Hors)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: XPM Question
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:57:18 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

Date: 20 Aug 92 12:25:23 GMT
Message-Id: <27455@sophia.inria.fr>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <9208191402.AA26738@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu>, ldawes@uahcs2.cs.uah.EDU
(Lisa Dawes, Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Alabama-Huntsville) writes:
> 
> When using the Xpm function XpmReadFileToPixmap, does this function modify the
> colormap
> to support the requested colors in the xpm file?  Or does one have to specify
> a colormap
> with the appropriate colors?  Is there more documentation on xpm besides the
> PS file
> on export?
> 
> Thanks ahead.

Yes, XpmReadFileToPixmap modify the colormap to support the requested colors in
the xpm file. The documentation reads :

---------
XpmReadFileToPixmap **allocates** colors, as read from the file or possibly
overridden as specified in the XpmColorSymbols attributes. The colors
are allocated dependently on the type of visual and on the default colors.
[...]
If required it stores into the XpmAttributes structure the list of the used
pixels [...]. When finished the caller must free [...] the colors using
XFreeColors.

---------

The only documentation of XPM resides as a TeX file called xpm.tex which is
part of the Xpm distribution (tar file) and its postscript version called
xpm.ps both available on export.

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From: frite@vlsi.polymtl.ca), (Michel Besner)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Getting Paned Window to tile horizontaly ...
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:04:20 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:06:00 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug27.170600.8600@vlsi.polymtl.ca>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x



	Hi there !

		Is it possible to get PanedWindow to lay out children
in a HORIZONTALY tiled format ? I need two frames side by side and
I want to allow the user to resize the two frames with a PanedWindow
or anything similar to it.

	Any suggestions is appreciated :) :)


				Michel Besner, eng.
				Sacred Heart Hospital 
				research center
				Montreal
				mbesner@iris1.metal.polymtl.ca



	"life is a big bowl of Jell-O :) :) ! "
From: oklein@smallo.bo.open.de (Olaf Klein)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Problem with xdm and xconsole
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:22:18 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: smallo.bo.open.de Fido-SubNet-Gate : 2: 245/5800.12

Date: 23 Aug 92 11:10:06 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug23.111006.17765@smallo.bo.open.de>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

On sparc 1+ with X11R5 pl7 I have the problem, that xconsole tells me 
"Could not open console" when xdm is running. When logging in as root
everything is ok, but setting xdm setuid-root doesn't fix the 
problem ?
xdm is in the moment configured like in the man-page.

Thanks in advance, Olaf

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From: rll@fatima.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: X authority file utility: xauth  <-- mistery solved!
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:10:06 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:14:32 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug26.161432.11806@linus.mitre.org>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug26.120951.2452@linus.mitre.org>, I
rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau) wrote: 

>So far, I have been using the ``xhost'' command to grant access to
>other hosts to connect to my X server...
>...I have tried (just like it says on the manpage) 
>	xauth extract -$DISPLAY | rsh other xauth merge -
>...What else needs to be done?...

I just need to start the X server with the -auth $HOME/.Xauthority
switch in order to enable the protocol.

Thanks for all the answers, especially Vivek Khera <khera@cs.duke.edu>
(the first one to provide the information about the -auth argument).



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From: flint@hinault.cs.curtin.edu.au (Daniel Baldoni)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Problems building X11R5 under SunOS 4.1.1
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:54:20 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Curtin University of Technology

Date: 27 Aug 92 03:08:14 GMT
Message-Id: <flint.714884894@marsh>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In <flint.714799007@marsh> flint@bike.cs.curtin.edu.au (Daniel Baldoni) writes:
>Greetings all.  Some of you may have seen an earlier plea for
>help from me - but I cancelled it (believing I had the problem
>licked - silly me!).  So, here we go again...
>
>Can anybody explain the following output from 'make World'?
>
>--- Start error report ---
> ... [deleted] ...
>--- End error report ---
>
>Looking at the link command, I believe it wants the X11 and Xt libraries.
>So, why aren't they being used?
>
>It then goes on to successfully build editres, listres and oclock but
>a similar catastrophe occurs while trying to build twm and xauth (among
>others).
>
>The tree is sitting on a SPARC (running SunOS 4.1.1) with no access to
>our earlier X11R5 installation.
>
>I've left all config files alone except site.def:
>
>>>> ... [site.def deleted] ...
>
>
>This is X11R5 patchlevel 17 (with the sunGX.uu from patch #7).
>
>Thanks for any help anybody can provide (I'm getting *REAL*
>desperate on this one).

To those people who've been send me messages telling me "you're missing
a -lXt and -lX11", thanks but I know that.  I'd really like to know
*WHY* this is happening.

I've examined the Imakefiles in the various client directories and there
is no request for the indicated libraries (but there are in other client
areas).  As this was a clean tree freshly ftp'd from export, I'm rather
confused.

Can anybody help me, please?

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From: grapher@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Grapher Consultant)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Undefined Externals
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:04:29 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: University of Engineering, College of Engineering

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:23:18 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.032318.18193@news.Hawaii.Edu>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

HELP!
	I'm calling from the University of Hawaii at Manoa (Oahu), College of
Engineering.  My problem is that I can not seem to find the right libraries
(or the correct order) to link to an X/Motif/Starbase  program to get rid of
the following error message:
	ld:  Undefined external -
		_XHPGet16MixedFontStruct
		_XHPIs16bitCharacter
		_XHPSetErrorHandler
		__xmask.
The system that I am working on is the HP 9000 Series 400 using X11R4 and 
Motif1.1.  The current libraries that I'm linking are -lX11 -lXt -lXhp11 -lX11.
I've tried several combinations of the libraries listed above, and the one
shown is the combunation that yields the least 'Undefined externals'.  Is
there any libraries that I may be excluding or is there a combination that
I over looked.  Any suggestions or advice will be greatly appreciated.

email address:
grapher@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu

	A correspondence with someone with knowledge on these types of 
situations will also be much appreciated.  I'm trying to put together an
application for the College of Engineering, but can't seem to find any one
with enough experience or knowledge of X or Motif1.1.

				Thank you,
					
				Michael
emali address:
grapher@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu
	or
shimko@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu
From: kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov (Kaleb Keithley)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: multiple screens (display), single pointing device....
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:24:57 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:06:05 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug31.160605.1569@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <CHRISTIA.92Aug29144516@latenite.ssc.gov> christia@latenite.ssc.gov (Mike Christiansen) writes:
>Is it possible under R5 to support multiple displays using a single
>mouse / pointer. That is, like the mac I want to install two (or
>three) frame buffers and manipulate windows on all three through a
>single pointer such that the cursor is run into the side of one, it
>apperars on the next longical display. Is this possible under
>open-look?

Well, all the documentation for X defines a "display" as 1..n screens, a 
keyboard and a pointing device.  So the answer is, yes, it's possible to 
install two or three frame buffers and manipulate windows on all three...  
In fact, the MIT sample server has a #define that limits the maximum number 
of screens to three.

The unasked, and more important question, is can your hardware support the 
installation of two or three frame buffers?

-- 

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From: skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: FONT Handling -- HOW?
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:06:10 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Inst. f. Thermodynamik u. Waermetechnik (ITW), U. of Stuttgart, FRG

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:25:20 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.142520.7384@news.uni-stuttgart.de>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Hi,

I'm a complete newby to X and just trying to get a c-source to run. It
compiles alright, finds all the right libraries, but crashes when
attempting to load a font. Source lines:

	font = XLoadFont(disp, "10x20\0");	/* If you don't have this
		font, try replacing it with 9x15\0	*/

Upon reaching this call the program exits and tells me that the font
cannot be found. 
The fonts reside in an unusual directory, namely
/usr3/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/misc, I'm running ULTRIX4.1 on a DecStation
2100, and use the twm windows manager. 


Are there any environment variables I could set to point to that font,
could I (crude approach) copy the font to the dir where the executable
resides, can I name the fontpath explicitly in the source, do I have to
tell the twm somehow?

Thanks in advance for any help I might get.

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From: minow@Apple.COM (Martin Minow)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:04:33 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Date: 3 Sep 92 16:11:48 GMT
Message-Id: <71954@apple.Apple.COM>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x

In article <1992Sep2.171407.11876@news.cs.indiana.edu>
krawling@banana.ucs.indiana.edu (Ken Rawlings) writes:
> ... There are two relatively simple things that I want to do on a Mac that
> I _still_ have no idea how to do, ...
>
>        #1: Send a postscript file to the printer.

Use the LaserWriter Utility program that was included in your LaserWriter
distribution. It is described in the manual.

>        #2: See this file sitting on the Hard Drive? Execute it.

This is a more difficult problem. The Macintosh recognizes applications
(programs) as files with a particular file type. (Unix, VMS, and other
operating systems do the same, using different techniques.) If a file is
not marked as a program, the operating system assumes it is data (document)
to be executed/evaluated by an application. Applications register the
file types they understand, so double-clicking on a document starts the
appropriate application and tells it to open the document you chose. To
my somewhat biased mind, this is more intuitive than requiring the user
to make the mental connection between document and its application. Your
mileage may vary.

You also note the problem of dealing with .hqx files. These are, as far
as the Mac operating system is concerned, just text files. The Mac uses
application type codes and file type codes to classify files, not file names.
This is essential if the user is to be able to rename files without restriction.

Several commercial and shareware applications do understand Unix-style file
naming conventions and let you process *.hqx or whatever, however this is
not a general part of the Mac O.S. To understand the problem better, try
convincing a Unix C compiler to compile a file named foo.bar (i.e., not
foo.bar.c).

You also complain about "unstandard" serial ports. What do you mean by
"standard"? DB-9? DB-25? RJ-11? Serial line cable standards have been
changing over the years. The Mac cables have not changed in four years,
and are readily available for about $15. You probably want a "Hayes-compatible
modem cable."

One of the interesting things about the Mac is that the interface is
intuitive enough, and there is enough core commonality among applications,
that people believe that there is no need for documentation, training,
or consultation. While this is a worthy goal, we haven't reached it
with watches, cameras, or, for that matter, VCR's, much less computers.

Martin Minow
minow@apple.com
The above does not represent the position of Apple Computer Inc.
From: jern@visual1.jhuapl.edu (Bob Jernigan)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Hanging X11R4 server under AIX3.2.1
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:40:56 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

Date: 20 Aug 92 17:09:09 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug20.170909.5107@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug20.121336.10998@email.tuwien.ac.at>, jf@edv6000.tuwien.ac.at (Josef Fritscher) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug20.085303.23888@fwi.uva.nl>, wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl (Marcel Wijkstra (AIO)) writes:
|> |> tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar) writes:
|> |> 
|> |> #  I am running AIX3.2.1 on more RS6000's (550's and 220's). In some cases
|> |> #(not quite reproducible), when the Xserver exits, the console keeps hanging.
|> |> #That means, that the Xserver process really exits, but the background with
|> |> #traces of some of the windows stays on the screen, and the console + keyboard
|> |> #are dead. The only help I know is reboot :(
|> 
|> This problem is known since AIX 3.1.3 and it's nice to see some workarounds
|> here, but the real question is, when will IBM will fix it ...
|> 

I hate to reboot - try logging as root from another terminal & killing the
offending process.  Works for me.

bob
From: shah@fnsony.fnal.gov (Hemant Shah)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: xterm popup menu strangeness
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:55:44 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, Batavia, IL

Date: 27 Aug 92 17:58:33 GMT
Message-Id: <2232@fnnews.fnal.gov>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <1992Aug26.172950.1002@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, dbw@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (david.b.wood) writes:
|> On my xterm (direct from the X11R5 distribution) the popup menus don't
|> work correctly.  All I get with ctrl-leftbutton is a little box big
|> enough for the "Main" title, and nothing else.  The other two popups
|> do the same thing, except no text at all.
|> 
|> Can anyone help?
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Dave Wood dbw@germany.att.com

I had similar problem with xterm. I turned out that I had set the size of
xterm in my .Xdefaults file 
Example:
      XTerm*geometry:                80x40

when I removed this line from my .Xdefaults file and added '-geometry' option
on command line the problem was gone.

Hope this helps :-)
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From: ramey@jello.csc.ti.com (Joe Ramey)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: changes to vtwm to make NotVirtualGeometries work properly
Date: 26 Aug 92 00:57:55 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Texas Instruments

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:01:53 GMT
Message-Id: <RAMEY.92Aug25140145@jello.csc.ti.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

Some of our users recently switched from an old version of vtwm
(Virtual Desktop TWM - Beta Release) to the latest version available
from export.lcs.mit.edu (Virtual Desktop TWM (VTWM) - R5 Release (5)).
They had trouble using the same .vtwmrc file with both versions,
specifically their problem was with getting windows to appear where
they wanted them.  One of them found the undocumented
`NotVirtualGeometries' option in the vtwm source.  We had to make
these changes to get it to work properly:


*** parse.c.ORIG	Wed Feb 19 11:39:11 1992
--- parse.c	Mon Aug 10 17:40:23 1992
***************
*** 773,779 ****
  
        case kw0_NotVirtualGeometries:
  	Scr->GeometriesAreVirtual = FALSE;
! 	break;
      }
  
      return 0;
--- 773,779 ----
  
        case kw0_NotVirtualGeometries:
  	Scr->GeometriesAreVirtual = FALSE;
! 	return 1;
      }
  
      return 0;
*** add_window.c.ORIG	Wed Feb 19 15:14:14 1992
--- add_window.c	Sun Aug 16 17:33:02 1992
***************
*** 335,342 ****
       * regardless of PPosition or UPosition */
      /* if we are dealing with PPosition, then offset by the current real
       * screen offset on the vd */
!     if (tmp_win->nailed ||
! 	((tmp_win->hints.flags & PPosition) && (ask_user == FALSE))) {
  	    tmp_win->attr.x = R_TO_V_X(tmp_win->attr.x);
  	    tmp_win->attr.y = R_TO_V_Y(tmp_win->attr.y);
      }
--- 335,342 ----
       * regardless of PPosition or UPosition */
      /* if we are dealing with PPosition, then offset by the current real
       * screen offset on the vd */
!     if ((Scr->GeometriesAreVirtual) && (tmp_win->nailed ||
! 	((tmp_win->hints.flags & PPosition) && (ask_user == FALSE)))) {
  	    tmp_win->attr.x = R_TO_V_X(tmp_win->attr.x);
  	    tmp_win->attr.y = R_TO_V_Y(tmp_win->attr.y);
      }
From: bwoodall@bilbo.qualcomm.com (Bill Woodall)
Newsgroups: fj.mail-lists.x-window
Subject: Re: Accellerated X
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:28:52 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Qualcomm Eng. Dept.

Date: 26 Aug 92 16:06:32 GMT
Message-Id: <1992Aug26.160632.18399@qualcomm.com>
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x

In article <9208251521.AA24967@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu>, ldawes@uahcs2.cs.uah.EDU 
[..]

|> 
|> Another related question:
|> Are there frame buffers/graphic accellerators available for a Sun Sparc
|> which
|> have the capability of driving various monitors (i.e VGA and up) and
|> whichwill
|> plug into an Sbus slot.

	First, I'm NOT making a plug.
	I just got a blurb about a one slot Sbus card from Megatek called ESPRIX
	that says it has several software selectable resolution options
	(ie VGA and up).
	The other item was that the ESPRIX has a keyboard/mouse port builtin, so
	you can run four seperate keyboard&monitors off of a SPARC10.

|> I know of a card which does half the job (Vigra frame buffer), but this
|> board
|> has no graphic accellerators.
|> 
|> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
|> 
|> Tim

..............Bill,
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