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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Subject: Re: HAM/SuperHAM is a joke ; was Re: Where is 1024*768?
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:28:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.155434.7713@gbrmpa.gov.au> matt@gbrmpa.gov.au (Matt) writes:
>HAM is a joke, fringing is a joke, interlace video is for the minority,
>wake up Commodore.

Ever hear of a flicker fixer?  Don't they build those thing in the A3000?
You need interlace for proper video --> no scan lines on big screen 
projections.  Trying plugging your IBM into a video recorder.

>No. My point is that these resolutions ARE available NOW and have been for
>PC's for ages, and at a good price. Nobody considers the Amiga to be a 
>graphics machine anymore, C= is the only one who can change that.

Geez, not a graphics machine?
What's a video toaster?

>Do I give a sh*t if my video card was only designed for serious work and
>not "Shadow of the Beast" games....... BTW, anyone seen Wolenstein 3D on
>Amiga yet? hahahahah
What games are released/programmed depends on the software company's view of 
the viability of such a program on the system --> Will they make a buck?
How many bucks??

Have you seen Virtual Reality systems?  They're based on Amigas!!!
With the visor and gun, it's almost the ultimate game.

>
>>There's more to comparing video modes than static resolutions and colours.
>
>Try telling that to a top exective giving a slideshow presentation.


>Gee, I sure hit a bad nerve with you this time, what's wrong David, feeling
>a little left out with lack of resolution/colours when we go home our
>Amiga are we?
Have a look at GVP's EGS --> 68030/68040 powered 24bit graphics card.
24bit animation at 100fps...  Should beat anything on the (I) (B)ought a 
(M)istake platform.

>Matt Crowd - Systems Support - GBRMPA


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From: @moci.uucp
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: ICOM, Inc., West Allis, WI
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 02:18:45 GMT
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jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:
: >
: >[OS/2's support of DOS applications is an advantage over AmigaOS]
: >
: >So I feel free to imitate your attitude and state that it's a great
: >failure and missing feature of OS/2 that it cannot run AmigaOS applications.
: >
: 
: Why, did I state that it's a great failure and missing feature of AmigaOS that
: it cannot run OS/2 applications?  You know damn well what the point is, Peter.
: OS/2 supports binaries created for two *other* OS's, and AmigaOS doesn't.  I'm

Are you trying to say that DOS and MS-Windows are OSs?!?!?
The MS-Windows Shell runs on top of DOS which is barely an OS (many
programmers still aren't sure and refer to it as a program loader).

Peter, anyone who would run OS/2 on a PS-2 20MHz 386 shouldn't be taken
seriously anyways.

: not saying it's a tremendous advantage, it's just one reason why OS/2 is bigger
: that AmigaOS.  This support, by the way, doesn't have to be installed.
: 
: >
: >This is ridiculous, isn't it?
: >
: 
: Now that you mention it, comparing DOS+Windows software availability with
: that of AmigaOS *is* ridiculous.
: 
: >
: >Best regards, Dr. Peter Kittel  // E-Mail to \\  Only my personal opinions...
: >
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From: derek@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Dariusz Bolski)
Subject: Re: Words in mouth/foot in mouth?(was CDTV is dead).
Organization: OSU, Advanced Computing Center for Arts & Design
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:17:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.002043.10931@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <35740@zephyr.ens.tek.com> bryand@cascade.ens.tek.com (Bryan Duff) writes:
>>Although I don't normally respond to much in this arena, I had to say something
>>now.  Marc, noone said it was a major rewrite.  All that anyone said was that
>>C= was doing a rewrite, might not even be major.  It's like your really trying
>>to keep providing yourself with excuses for the future.  When C= releases the
>>newest version of AmigaVision you want to be able to go back and say "This was
>>supposed to be a major release and look how little it changed!"  The only
>>feature of this next release that has been officially announced is a
>>standalone player.  Nothing else has been said.
>>I am trying to keep this out of the flame range, but I think a couple drops
>>of gasoline seeped out.  I for one don't mind reading your posts, I find
>>them rather amusing, but don't start changing the meaning of other
>>peoples posts.
>
>   After being on the market for over two years with no major updates, 
>AmigaVision is in dire need of a major rewrite with significant added features.
>As far as multimedia packages go, AV has become somewhat weak compared to
>the latest versions of HyperCard and HC-like multimedia packages for Windows.
>AmigaVision is the "Macintosh" of multimedia packages, with a very easy-to-use
>interface but with very little depth, while HyperCard is the "Amiga" of
>multimedia packages with lots of depth under less user-friendly interface.
>With the progress that is being made on making HyperCard much more powerful
>still while making it more easier to use, I think it would be better if
>Commodore simply abandoned AmigaVision altogether than develop mediocre 
>updates for it.  

What you say is ludicrous! What gives the power to AmigaVision is not
a baggage of features but the capability of flexible access to of
the operating system. Use AV as an interface to whatever else you think is
powerful. Then you will have the ease of use of AV and all the power
you seek for. If you don't believe just please come here and see what
our artists are doing with it. Our presentations make some people switch
from Mac to Amiga to do the real multimedia work.

Commodore, please do not listen to MB. Please continue on working on
AmigaVision updates!

>Without major improvements, money spent on updating 
>AmigaVision will be a waste of money.

In my opinion this is just another your opinion. Did you actually spend
some money on your AmigaVision? If not, you didn't waste anything.

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

Dariusz Bolski
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From: lawsons@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Shannon Lawson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:16:39 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Aug18.064604.4025@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>
>Ides of March
>became famous from a Shakespearean play; either Ceasar or Hamlet, and had
>something to do with a ghost appearing on that day or someone dying on that
>day. But I haven't done that stuff since I was in high school.

Julius Caesar, and I believe it was saide by a soothsayer predicting Caesar's 
death.  I make no claims as to the accuracy here...

>      //   David Tiberio  SUNY Stony Brook 516-473-5156 AMIGA  DDD-MEN   

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Subject: Re: Why the A600? Some ZEN marketing VooDoo?
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:11:58 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Aug13.000355.15403@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
> In article <1992Aug12.205736.11004@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com
> (Ian Kennedy) writes:
> 
> 
> Once again, all indications are that the A600 may never be released in
> North America. The possibility remains that a platform with increased
> capabilities and a comparable price may supplant it. I agree however,
> that this will remain the most significant portion of the market.
> 
> Mark
>
	Here we go with another famous advocacy roumer:  I was talking to
	the salesman at the local Software Etc.  He happened to even know
	what an Amiga was and yes, he even new about the A600.  He said
	that Software Etc. was planning on selling them.  I think he said
	he was told at company meeting.  I think he also said they were
	waiting for the 'official' release from Commodore.
 
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 21:00:33 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug10.205532.3070@sactoh0.sac.ca.us>
  <1992Aug11.185853.22855@ctr.columbia.edu>
  <1992Aug12.171839.3364@hfsi.uucp>
  <1992Aug12.193043.14072@ctr.columbia.edu> <al158305.714418027@academ01>

>We already have CG font support

...not integrated in to the OS fully.

And if you need an explanation, use Truetype fonts in Windows or
Adobe fonts in OS/2 to see what I mean.

TomK@cup.portal.com
From: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: cdtv is dead.
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:28:17 EST
Reply-To: "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com>
Distribution: comp
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

KJ> So let me get this straight then - as a member of the new
KJ>"keep everyone informed" C=, you have decided the the single most
KJ>vocal Amiga commentator of doom - one who has a audience on 7
KJ>continents, is not worth your time to respond to. In other words, just
KJ>like before - C= will only give out informat too little, way to late
KJ>and only then when the hue and cry forces them to!

KJ> Sorry - I think there is a difference between admitting that
KJ>the details of information you got second hand may be wrong and saying
KJ>you lied.

KJ> If C= won't tell us these things - we will have to go with the
KJ>info we get.

 Four years ago I remember people bitching about Commodore. They were 
bitching that Commodore announced products prematurely and took to long
to release them. Then Commodore decided to change their policy and wait
until the product was close to completed before it was announced. 
 
 You can please some of the people some of the time!
 But You can't please AMIGA USERS! 
 
   (Hey! If the amiga was around when this saying was invented that's how
    it would have turned out!)
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From: Erik S. Kolar <ekolar@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Amigas, IBMs, Macs, OSes, etc.
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:05:06 -0500

In article <mykes.0c3f@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>Anyone know a store that has Macs, PCs, and Amigas right next to eachother
>on display so the customer can judge for himself which to buy?  How about
>Macs and Amigas together?  Or Macs and PCs?

Yes, the local C= dealer, Digital Arts, has a Mac II for sure, and I think they
have a PC too.  They are very hip to the Amiga, more so than any other C=
dealer I know.  They have a couple A3000s (one is a UX) on display, a CDTV,
a 500, and a 2000.  Toasters are all over the display window, and a lot of
MIDI stuff too - they seem to be really pushing multimedia.  As far as I can
tell, it is a family owned business, almost 2 years old, I think.  They would
get my vote as a "model" Amiga dealer.  Sadly, though, you won't find an Amiga
anywhere at IU except for the Toaster workstation in the Telecom dept. (as far
as I can tell).  Color Macs (IIsi, etc.) and PS/2s are all over the place in
the many public sites (easily >1000 of each machine here).  We also have the
NeXT, Sun, and Atari platforms, machines number <50 of each type, but they are
mainly for CS students or the curious.  IU is a major university, there are 
over 35,000 students.  There was a demonstration of a A3000UX last year, but
I don't know if it prompted any purchase decisions - we'll see when I arrive
later next week.
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:18:43 GMT

>>	I never seem to notice this awful bottleneck on my 486.  Maybe I'm
>>   not running the right programs that show the IDE interface to be so slow.
>
>You probably aren't.  The main problem with IDE isn't likely to be disk
>performance, but system throughput.
>
>PClones generally use IDE because it's cheap and most users run MS-DOS or
>Windows, and therefore wouldn't see an advantage to DMA or SCSI.  If you're 
>using OS/2 or UNIX on a PC, a DMA driven hard disk adaptor would help out
>considerably in system throughput.  It'll also cost more.

	Well Dave, I'm running OS2 with an IDE HD and I just don't see this
   huge slowdown that everyone talks about.

							G.Greene


>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"
>   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh      BIX: hazy
>	"Work like a horse, drink like a fish"	- Psychefunkapus
>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: no aa machines in sep
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 16 Aug 92 09:21:49 EST
Distribution: comp
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Aug15.1076.26425@dosgate>, "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com> writes:
> Andrew L. Hansford Writes,
> 
> 
> 
> AL>We wonder why if C= is coming out with NEW machines (AA, new sound,
> AL>DSP) then why the A600 and A3000T-040 now.
>
	[ stuff deleted ]
 
>  I would care if they didn't release new machines with the AA chipset this
> year as long as they announce the AA chipset. Not knowing if it's a rumour
> of if it's reall is driving me up the wall!
>
	This is along the lines of something that puzzles me:  Commodore
	has released two 'new' machines the A600 and A3000T/040, yet
	everything suggests that they are standard ECS; i.e 2-meg chip,
	super denise.  But for the AA chip set to do the most good, Commodore
	should probably get a low cost machine, probably with limited
	expansion, IDE hard drive standard,  with the AA chip set.

	I was reading Amiga Format and, in England only 3% or so people
	have 2000/3000 type machines.  If all most people can afford is
	non AA machines w/o harddrive, then developers will continue to
	support this LCD and possibly ignore the new chips.  A case in 
	points is in the clone world, in that a lot of software is 8086/88 
	code.  (Although the new PC stuff is killing anything <386/VGA off.)

	Of course, this maybe is where the 'A800' machines placement will
	be.  But still begs the question;  Why A600 with standard ECS?
	( and A3000t/040 )
   
>  If the chip was available but the new machines weren't ready yet, I'd think
> Commodore would start selling the chips. The more chips you get out there,
> the more programs your going to see utilizing them.
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Death Becomes Amiga!!
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 09:44:22 GMT

In article <paulg.002q@weird.miami.fl.us> paulg@weird.miami.fl.us (Paul Griswold) writes:
>
>I would like to hear your response to the following letter that was mailed to me:
>
>   Here's the rough draft of a letter that I am sending to AmigaWorld.  You
>can take my complaints from it...
> 
> 
>Dear Mr. Barney:
>
[letter deleted]
>                                             Sincerely,

I'll fill in the blank...                     Marc Barrett


I wondered how long it would be before Marc's letter to Amiga World
was posted.   It certainly isn't anything new for readers of this
newsgroup.

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From: mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.unix.amiga,amix.misc
Subject: Re: where is 1024*768?
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:58:09 GMT
Reply-To: mario@mbunix.adsp.sub.org (Mario Bayer, ECA008)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Distribution: comp,amix
Organization: PS -> POWERSystems

>X-Pert just announced their VGA-like Graphics Card for Amigas with >68020.
>It contain's an ET 4000, will be programmable and have Workbench support.
>(I think 68020 is needed for it?)

Anyone how knows why >020 only... (I think the Workbench Screen kludge need it)

>640x480      16 and 256/32767 colors and 72 (60) Hz
>800x600      16 and 256/32767 colors and 72 (60) Hz 
>1024x768     16 and 256 colors and 72(87i) Hz
>1152x900     16 and 256 colors and 59 Hz
>1280x1024    16 colors and 87i Hz

>numbers in () for 38khz monitor (Nec 3d), others for monitor
>with 57khz (Nec 4d).  Many other resolution are programmable, 
>as long not more than 1 Mb ram is needed and Pixelrate is lower 
>than 80 MHz.  Regular Amiga-resolutions are passed-through.

>But you will call it vaporware, as there is only advertizing but no delivery
>yet.(september (P-))
>X-Pert has a really good reputation here in germany, i think the card it is 
>as finished as the advertizing suggests and will be good.
>And Price? well about 698,- DM,  that is 440$ !!!!!

This sounds very good... but... is the Graphic-Board supported under AmigaUNIX
too... (does X-Pert make a driver under AmigaUNIX)

& X-Pert makes the famous Visiona too... but is there a driver for AmigaUNIX or
a ported Xserver! 

& speed... how fast is the Visiona... (under AmigaUNIX?)... anybody know this?

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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:09:51 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat Software

In article <1992Aug11.130739.24532@tronsbox.xei.com> tron1@tronsbox.xei.com (Kenneth Jamieson) writes:
>In article <34137@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:
>>
>>Marc is in my kill file in this newsgroup.  So I only see his postings
>>when someone responds to one of them.  This saves me from even thinking
>>about answering the ones that no one believes enough to respond to in any way.
>
>	So let me get this straight then - as a member of the new
>"keep everyone informed" C=, you have decided the the single most
>vocal Amiga commentator of doom - one who has a audience on 7

First, I don't work for C=  , therefore who I think is worth responding to
is my business.  Note the organization header.  I do occasional
consulting for C=, but that's about it.

Second, someone who constantly lies just isn't worth my time.  If someone
actually believes him, I'll post to try to correct the distortion
Marc has made, but I've got better things to do with my time
than monitor him.

>continents, is not worth your time to respond to. In other words, just
>like before - C= will only give out informat too little, way to late
>and only then when the hue and cry forces them to!

Usenet is 'free time' activity for C= engineers.  Are you suggesting
someone be appointed 'Guardian of Truth' for .advocacy ?  Seriously ?

>
>>Well, at least he's admitted he lied about the details, and softened
>>his 'conclusion'.
>
>	Sorry - I think there is a difference between admitting that
>the details of information you got second hand may be wrong and saying
>you lied.
>

I believe he's demonstrated a consistant pattern of abuse of the
truth by now.  You know the old saying "Fool me once, shame on
you.  Fool me twice, shame on me" ?  Well, its been a lot more than
twice :-)

>	How about putting this thing to sleep...

I agree.  That's why I put him in a kill file for this newsgroup.

>
>	Can you assure us that the CDTV development team has not lost
>any funding or resources in this fiasco ?
>
>	When can we expect a upgraded CDTV machine ?
>

Again, I don't work for C=.   Also, I don't believe that Usenet
is an official support channel.

>	If C= won't tell us these things - we will have to go with the
>info we get.

Which is a truism.  BTW, the reasoning behind the statement is 
real close to the logic of a software pirate.  "If you'd lower
your prices I wouldn't pirate your software"

>|             Ken Jamieson: uunet!tronsbox.xei.com!tron1             |Virus

		andy
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