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From: rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Is V-Ball this expensive everywhere?
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:23:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
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In article <25423@dog.ee.lbl.gov> julian@frey.lbl.gov (julian cortella) writes:
In article <ASH.92Aug12105054@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>To play indoor volleyball in the Ann Arbor rec league, I have to fork
>out $40 for a 10 week season.  This is the A level, with 2 refs, one
>one-hour match per week, plus one one-hour practise each week.  Lowere
>levels cost just slightly less, while the "open" level costs slightly
>more.  Is this out of line with what people are paying elsewhere?
>Volleyball has gotten VERY popular here.  Maybe it's the law of supply
>and demand...

If you mean $40 for just yourself, yes that's a bit steep, but not
outrageous.  Around here, we pay $185 a team (six person) for a ten
week season.  There aren't any practice sessions either.

We have an outdoors four-person league going on now.  It's $80
for a ten week season, but we usually play two matches a night.

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I add my 2 cents worth:

In the Silicon Valley, we have the IVL (Industrial Volleyball League).
All levels pay about $360 per team for an 8 week season - 2 games each
against two teams each night. A team that is sitting out provides the
referees and linespeople. You've even got to provide the ball.  I think
that's a little steep, but the organizer, Kirk Anderson, has all the 
available gyms full on week nights.

Ramblin'
From: mwsn_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matthew Weasner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: In favor or rally scoring...(NOT)
Keywords: Rally scoring, YUK!!!
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:20:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <86201@netnews.upenn.edu> rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
>Rally scoring seems like a contrivance to speed up the game to make it
>more palatable for television.  Like the shot clock in college and pro
>basketball, and the timing changes over the last few years in the NFL,
>all of this seems to be an attempt to capture the ever-decreasing
>attention span of the television viewer.
>
{ Great point about rally scoring deleted. Pun intended :-) }

What was the "official" reason for the addition of rally scoring anyway. 
Sorry if I missed it, but if it was in order to speed the game up for fans,
all I have to say is: As a volleyball PLAYER, who cares what they want? Why 
should they change volleyball so that someone who doesn't know a thing about 
the game will stay on the channel for a few seconds more? I'm all for the
growth of the game and attracting new players, but at least keep the game in
a form that the people playing NOW can recognize it. I'm just upset that 
the game is being changed for people who don't appreciate or play the sport
at all. 
The same goes for the clock on the AVP. Let the guys play the game as it is
supposed to be, not contrived for the TV audience. I'm gonna take my stopwatch
to the next beach tourny I'm in and see what everyone thinks. "Oh sorry guys,
you lose, outta time!" There goes my face next point. Call me a purist, i 
dunno. ITS JUST NOT RIGHT!!
Well sorry to waste so much bandwidth about a subject that probably has been
beat to death already. Not to offend you people who like rally scoring or 
whatnot, just my 2 cents.

matt.
From: chueh@campanile.esd.sgi.com (Justin Chueh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Santa Cruz Cuervo Schedule?
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:15:34 GMT
Reply-To: chueh@campanile.esd.sgi.com (Justin Chueh)
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Does anyone have the starting times for matches this 
weekend?  Who and when everyone is playing would also
be appreciated, but mainly I want to know how early
I have to get up on Saturday morning.



Justin Chueh	Silicon Graphics Computer Systems 
   
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: R3TLM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: more height!!!!
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:05:23 GMT

     For the help I got on my search for more height:
           Exercises:
                 leg squats
                 leg presses
                 blocking exercises
                 crouch/jumps
                 jumping in pool (easier on joints)
                 bicycling in high gear
                 training shoes (sorry tomoo, I don't wear a size 8-9)
                 jumping over obstacles side to side
 
                                          THANKS For the Help
 
                                          --Spite
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: Outdoor net set
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:11:21 GMT

   The Net from Centerline is a great net. Park & Sun has a good net
also. The Centerline poles are better than the P&S net, but the P&S net
is better. Neither net is really "better" than the other. They are both
about $700. You can get The Net direct from Centerline in about a week.
They have an 800 number. Check out an ad in VBall Monthly.

   GBVC (Greater Boston Volleyball Club) sells both nets really cheap.



                                        - Drummer -




Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: mwsn_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Matthew Weasner)
Subject: Re: sidesets
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:04:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.1613.1989@channel1> "pat traynor" <pat.traynor@channel1.com> writes:
>Vball refs -- I need some clarification here...

>In the USVBA rulebook, only under outdoor rules, it states that you can
>sideset to a player on your side of the net.  (I'm talking about two-hands
 {stuff deleted}
>pass comes to the setter, who is standing near the center of the net.  He
>looks like he's going to set to one of his front corners.  He's facing toward
>that corner.  When he DOES set, he sidesets it directly over the net.

>Is this legal?  If not, is it spelled out in the rules anywhere?
Legal as far as I know indoors, me being a setter (at least technically :-))
but not always effective. I gotta work on that one i guess.

outta here...
matt.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Firsthand from Barcelona!
Reply-To: wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:21:37 GMT

In article 8xu@news.cso.uiuc.edu, g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin) writes:
>|Hello to all volleyballers on rec.sport.volleyball!
>|
>|I recently returned from the Olympics in Barcelona, Spain, where I was
>|fortunate enough to attend almost every volleyball match. This was a
>|wonderful experience in every way, and I would like to offer my experience
>|up for discussion on the network.
>|
>|If you have questions you'd like to ask or an argument you'd like to pursue,
>|I'll be happy to answer or argue as best I can.
>|
>|Possible topics:
>|
>|1) How did Algeria compare to Brazil?
>|2) Who is the best volleyball player in the world?
>|3) Who was the highest jumper at the Olympics?
>|4) What the heck was wrong with the USA?
>|5) Would Karch have made a difference?
>|6) What strategies were used and which paid off?
>|7) How did X beat Y? (Example: X=Holland, Y=Italy)
>|8) Is Timmons just an old man with an attitude?
>|
>|You can send me e-mail at g-martin1@uiuc.edu, but I'd rather discuss
>|everything through posts to the newsgroup.
>|
>|					Greg Martin


Topics 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, and 8 would be interesting.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball,rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.brazil
From: oski@leland.Stanford.EDU (L. Ravi Narasimhan)
Subject: Re: Brazilian Team (was: Re: USA-Brazil)
Organization: Department of Chemistry, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:32:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.184742.24661@dxcern.cern.ch> xexeo@dxlaa.cern.ch writes:
>
> This will interest some of you:
>

<--- Interesting description and bios of Brazilian Team follows --->


This team truly looks spectacular.  Does anyone know if Brazil has
taken steps to keep this squad together in the  face of Italian Leagues
and, perhaps, the pro beach tour?  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 20:02:43 EDT
From: Jill Rhoads <JRHOADS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Outdoor net set
 <1992Aug12.221252.22890@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> <2284@tymix.Tymnet.COM>

I've been looking for an outdoor volleyball net for a while, and believe it or
not I found a really nice one for about $100.  It comes from a really odd
source so I need to check it out further so do a little of your own snooping
around as well.  I was at the local mall here in DC which was in Virginia (go
figure), but I happen to walk into Brookstones and was looking around for the
hell of it when I saw that they were selling a vollyeball system.  From the
floor display that they had, it looked quite nice for a non-volleyball store to
 have.  If anyone has anymore information on this system please post it because
 I am seriously looking into buying it.  I've been playing for a while and it
looks like a good system for a really good price.




Jill Rhoads


Jrhoads@auvm.american.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: Arrrggghhhh...
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:58:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.190633.2492@advtech.uswest.com>, wbc@lookout.uswest.com (Brad Cleavenger) writes:
|> (Mike Lehnertz) writes:
|> >    Oh, I forgot. You people that have called me an "asshole" would let a
|> > perfect pass and set go un-hit. If you are saying that you wouldn't hit
|> > a few balls like that, then you are a liar.
|> 
|> It depends on the situation, but if I looked across the net and saw some
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Very true, but it also depends on why you are playing: to win or to "have fun".

|> C level players standing straight up, flat footed and with their hands at
|> their sides, I would not smash the ball.  If I did smash it and hit 
|> someone, I would feel like an asshole.  If somebody left the friendly 
|> game because they were intimidated by my hitting, I would feel like an
|> asshole.  I've seen people smash the ball at little kids at picnics and I thought they were assholes. 
|> 
   See the previous blurb above. There is no better way to lose points than to
   show sympathy/mercy/etc. to any number of opposing players that you feel
   would be 'wounded' by your play. 

   One beach game I played in had a small girl on the other team. I tried not to
   serve hard to her or ram the ball down her throat on kill. The next time she
   got a set she placed the ball down MY throat. Looks can be decieving...

   It all depends on what your playing for.
 
|> >Stop jumping to conclusions.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   Stop telling others to stop. ;)

|> 
|> I don't know what the level of the other players was in your situation so
|> draw your own conclusions. 
|> 
|> 
|> Brad Cleavenger

Get Vertical!
Scott
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From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: Outdoor net set
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:12:52 GMT

   Oops, in my typing frenzy I said those nets were $700. They are only
   about $300 and that includes shipping.



                                              - Drummer -



Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: bx451@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dean C. Wagner)
Subject: Re: Coaches' Top 20 Preseason Poll
Reply-To: bx451@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dean C. Wagner)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 05:19:52 GMT


In a previous article, haggerty_c@cubldr.colorado.edu () says:

>	This all means that Nebraska should remain as the class of the Big 8
>and possibly the mid-west. On the idea that the best teams are all still west
>of the rockies is questionable. Ohio-State advanced to the Final Four, did not
>graduate much and then proceeded to have the best recruiting class in the
>country. I hate Ohio-State but look out for them in the next couple of years.

If I remember right, Ohio State graduated 3 starters, and the other 3
were all freshmen.  At least, that's what I remember seeing when they
played Illinois.  I personally think Illinois has a chance of passing
OSU in the big 10.  They graduated nobody (apparently lost 1 junior,
though), and still made the NCAA tournament last year.  I don't remember
much about Penn State, but I remember them being together in the
rankings with UIUC and OSU.


Dean Wagner
aa1309@freenet.lorain.oberlinn.edu
bx451@cleveland.freenet.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: heycke@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (Torsten Heycke)
Subject: Re: Is Pro Beach in Santa Cruz this weekend?
Organization: Knowledge Systems Lab
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:29:42 GMT

In article <54aT025w1e5401@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, dft00@QUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Doug Tiedt) writes:
> 
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> 
> The last item of info I saw said that the Men's Pro Beach
> Tour would stop in Santa Cruz, CA on August 21st and 22nd
> (Friday and Saturday).  I just wanted to know if this is
> still true, 

Still true. Some of the players will be around earlier this week, making guest
appearances at various Bay Area stores (J&W Sports in San Antonio Mall in Palo
Alto, for example). 

Last year I took Friday off from work to watch. It was a good idea. Very few
spectators show up on Fri. and you can sit just about anywhere you'd like.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba)
Subject: Vertical Jump & calf Training
Reply-To: ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:56:18 GMT

Hi--

	How does one increase a vertical jump? I need to build my calves
to move me faster and to add inches on my vertical. I would like to put
6-8 inches on my vertical by March. I know it can be done. If anybody
has
any good info on doing so, reply here or send me some mail! I figure
calf raises and jump roping are obth good, but there may be other stuff.
Thanks alot.

-Mike

-- 
Bodybuilders and Volleyball Players Will Rule The World

Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: hinds@stanford.edu (Alexander Hinds)
Subject: Re: more height
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:58:32 GMT

>If you wear 8.5 or 9 shoes, I have some once-used Strength (Jump
>Training) Shoes I'd like to sell.

>Tomoo

What are these shoes?  What do they do?  Where can I get them?  Do they help?
Thanks!

--X
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject:  An Indoor/Outdoor Court System
Keywords: feasability, reality, existance
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:28:54 GMT


  Does anybody know of a sand court that is setup indoors? I think it
 would be a great idea to have both and indoor/outdoor court setup 
 available. This way you could choose your play environment( minus the sun
 and wind and outdoors, of course ).

  You could probably design it like they do w/ basketball courts doubling
 for ice rinks( here in Hunstville at Von Braun Civic Center ).

  Besides having no sun/air/outdoor feeel to it, what do y'all think?

 Get Vertical!
 Scott
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: R3TLM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: more height--cycling
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:35:27 GMT

       the idea in the cycling is to keep up the pace and not strain so
much. If you can keep up the pace in a high gear you will do much endurance
work on your legs and it will also increase your vertical. Or at least thats
what the mail I got said.
 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: jxr1092@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Jens Rodenberg)
Subject: Re: An Indoor/Outdoor Court System
Reply-To: jxr1092@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:37:09 GMT

Scott Bell writes:

>  Does anybody know of a sand court that is setup indoors?

   Here in Rochester (NY) there's a place called Hot Shots which is a warehouse
converted into indoor sand courts.  It has three courts, but due to the
original structure of the building (i.e. supports between the courts), each
court doesn't have much out-of-bounds area that players such as myself
desperately need to recover those shanked passes.  I've never played there,
but may be tempted this winter.  In Spring, Summer, and Fall, I'd rather play
at outdoor sand courts (playing in a blizzard is pretty fun!)

						Jens
From: kaena@haleiwa.austin.ibm.com (D. Kaena Freitas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Proposed rule changes
Date: 11 Aug 92 21:39:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <2271@tymix.Tymnet.COM> stonek@rollout.tymnet.com (Ken Stone) writes:
>>|3.  To avoid interruptions of rallies, the ball may be touched with any
>>|    part of the body above and including the knee.
>>
>>Still can't figure this one out! Now, if they let use
>>feet... but upper legs?? I've been trying this out with NO success!
>>
>>
>>				Alexis "Stone Hands"
>>					
>
>	Remember Timmons made a key dig in one match and the replay  
>showed it came off of his leg.  He was bent over, arms ready and
>he catches a photon in the thigh that goes over the net, and over
>the heads for a winner on the back line.  (Chris and Paul said he
>gets credit for a kill and a dig).  With his arms down to both refs
>it must have looked like a clean dig.  If they can't tell, and wasn't
>intentionally done, might as well make it a rule change!

Yes, I agree but the "can't tell" seems to me to be the "kicker", not
too many of us have seen "photon" type hits like they have in the
Olympics. I can sit and watch 'AA' league play and usually know where the
ball contacted the person. In the case above, no one actually saw the contact
and thus you can't make a call unless you see it!

Of all the rule changes, I think I could live with this change. Its the others
I have a MAJOR concern for health and safety.
-- 
D. Kaena Freitas
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/* At least thats what my wife keeps telling me................ */
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Is V-Ball this expensive everywhere?
Organization: American Math. Society
	<1992Aug12.152420.9615@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:30:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.152420.9615@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ematias@csri.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias) writes:

   >In article <ASH.92Aug12105054@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
   >>To play indoor volleyball in the Ann Arbor rec league, I have to fork
   >>out $40 for a 10 week season.  This is the A level, with 2 refs, one
   >>one-hour match per week, plus one one-hour practise each week.  Lowere
   >>levels cost just slightly less, while the "open" level costs slightly
   >>more.  Is this out of line with what people are paying elsewhere?
   >>Volleyball has gotten VERY popular here.  Maybe it's the law of supply
   >>and demand...

   >   I'm not sure what the prices are like elsewhere (with the exception of
   >what you just mentioned, but up here in Ontario the costs are fairly steep.
   >On a B-level team you're expected to pay roughly $800 (Canadian funds) per
   >team for a 4- or 5-month season.  We had practice once a week at a local
   >school gym (although you can usually get these permits for free), and
   >3- to 5-match league tournaments on every 2nd or 3rd weekend.
   >   Normally this wouldn't be too extravagant, but we only had 8 players
   >this year.  That's CDN$100 each.  Ouch.

   >	- Mark Rosteck -
   >(g1marker@cdf.toronto.edu)

Ouch is right!  Now I don't feel so bad about $40/person!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: slansky_doug@macn15.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: Is V-Ball this expensive everywhere?
Organization: CSG Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:07:28 GMT

In article <25423@dog.ee.lbl.gov> julian@frey.lbl.gov (julian cortella) writes:
>In article <ASH.92Aug12105054@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan
Harder) writes:
>>To play indoor volleyball in the Ann Arbor rec league, I have to fork
>>out $40 for a 10 week season.  This is the A level, with 2 refs, one
>>one-hour match per week, plus one one-hour practise each week.  Lowere
>>levels cost just slightly less, while the "open" level costs slightly
>>more.  Is this out of line with what people are paying elsewhere?
>>Volleyball has gotten VERY popular here.  Maybe it's the law of supply
>>and demand...
>
>If you mean $40 for just yourself, yes that's a bit steep, but not
>outrageous.  Around here, we pay $185 a team (six person) for a ten
>week season.  There aren't any practice sessions either.
>
>We have an outdoors four-person league going on now.  It's $80
>for a ten week season, but we usually play two matches a night.
>
Here in Chicago, the going rate is $30-50 per person for 8-10 wk. leagues.  If
you consider that the games last 1 hr., then you are getting court space for
$3-5/hour, cheaper than a movie!  

Regards,

Doug