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From: USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Dave Hall)
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Subject: Re: Hellhound on my trail
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:58:07 GMT
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On Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:30:33 EDT infatigueable Michael H. Bloom said:
>
>Yup. Well understood phenomenon. Rome had a tradition called the Saturnalia,
    several well made points about carnival in Rome and the U.S. deleted
>is still a carnival-type action-- but alcohol is insufficient to do the job
>properly; you need rather better drugs.
>
     Agreed.

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:59:48 GMT
From:         HAUGHD88@IRLEARN.UCD.IE
Subject:      Re: thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd

On Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:48:38 MDT Maid in Bedlam said:
>
>oh baby... I adore a little cunning linguist...
>>  7  CAROL WATSON                   585
>
>Oh goodie!  Lucky seven...  :)  It is my goal to be on top of n.n., Russ, Tim
>and John within a year...  :)
>
>> 69  Brian J Haughey                 88
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I found this rather fascinating, considering his initials and his position
>number.  :)
>
>- Carol

Sigh - All this time, I never knew you cared, Carol !

Get in touch when you're finished on top of n.n, Russ, etc - in case you
don't want to restrict yourself... ;-)

-- bjh

University College Dublin, Ireland.
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From:         Maid in Bedlam <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      Re: Monday morning sarcasm, round 2

Ken said:

>Hear, hear!  What could be finer than discovering some whole new music that
>you've never lived with before?

Discovering great sex with someone you've never lived with before?  ;)

>Me, I trot my prejudices out only to laugh at them. . . .

It's nice to know someone else around here is hot-to-trot besides myself and
the spanish sex historian.

Smooches,
Carol
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
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Subject: Re: Christian Heavy Metal: what's the point?
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:25:14 GMT
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OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET wrotes.

>        From what I read, what is usually called Christian Heavy Metal (with
>countless variations, from Christian Thrash to Christian Speed Metal, etc.)
>is pretty popular in the States. On this side of the ocean, and I speak about
>Italy in particular, there is nothing like that... 
>...seems to me, to put together heavy metal and the Bible is definitely a safe
>recipe to reach those Christian people who *would* listen to Metal, but get
>labeled as "weird" and "immoral" if they do. In other words, this sounds more
>like a commercial manoeuvre than a musical need to me...

Christian metal is mainly aimed at people who become Christians but are still
fans of metal, and want something a little less amoral to listen to, _and_ at
people who are metal fans and might _become_ Christians, through the message
presented by a band.

Christian metal is not very well known in the Mediterranean countries, true.
Most Christian metal is made by members of Protestant sects, the Catholics [as
far as I can see] have little to do with it.  In northern Europe and 
Scandinavia, where most people are Protestant, it's a lot more popular.

-Shag
-- 

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Subject: Re: Classical Music Poll - part III
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:04:41 GMT
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"But there just weren't a lot of opera votes.."
If Carmen & Boheme were the top of the small heap, I can see why. It's
a pity how many people don't realize that the operatic stage bore
most of the crowning glories of European music between 1600 & 1900..
but the inflated reputation of a couple of potboilers is in part to
blame.
Michael
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 09:45:13 MEZ
From:         Paul Hosken <RMCB@DLRVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Mephime????

Who or what is MEPHIME?

Paul
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:00:52 EDT
From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: DebUT ABLUMS
              8 Oct 1992 11:56:33 -0400 from <jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU>

On Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:56:33 -0400 <jkh2001@ANDY.BGSU.EDU> said:
>>know other debut albums that were impressive to all ya'll.
>
>Also speaking from a guitar standpoint, Hendrix's first album was certainly
>a classic.

My snap judgment is that the vast majority of the Summer of Love debut albums
were great. A couple of possible reasons: (1) the zeitgeist-- art historians
talk about "the Moment of Cubism" as an era when horizons were extending by
leaps and bounds, every new idea sparked a dozen more, and anything seemed
possible; I contend (loudly and often) that Those Fabulous Sixties was also
such an era. (2) The resources-- back then there were no recording studios
on every corner, nothing like the present concentration of indie labels, etc.
Back then nobody was invited to record until they were really seasoned. Now
anyone can make an album, and a lot of alternative bands clearly aren't ready,
and it shows. (Of course, now we have a marketing scheme available whereby we
package dubious competence as a radical new idea.)
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From:         Sebastian Welton <SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: debut albums

>  So I'm out 2 days and had to delete 100 Allmusic messages.  None of them
>had Sinead O'Connor for a subject.  I'm surprised.  Do you all hate the pope
>as much as she?  Anyone see her interview on empTV?  She gave a pretty
>convincing explanation of why she believes organized religion is responsible
>for a good chunk of the world's woes.
>
>  Personally, I think one must really be an artist to be able to stun a
>Saturday Night Live crowd into silence.  Performance art at it's best.

I saw this performance last night and thought it was utter rubbish, absolutely
destroyed a good song.

Seb
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:51:13 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Classic Debut Album

I don't remember seeing Buckingham Nicks mentioned IMHO it's better than
the Fleetwood Mac stuff that came out later..

Strange thang this weekend i was at a friends and she put in Little Feat
Waiting For Columbus (one of my favorites) and Lowell was "talking to me" and
she said that's who i sound like when i play. She's right i didn't
realize it, but i must have been sub-consciously influenced, even though
i wore the album out, i didn't realize it had that kind of effect on me
That just really blew me away.......L.W.
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Subject:      U2 played here last night

          Although Public Enemy are an exceptional group anything
          would have been better than The Disposable Heroes of
          Hipopcracy and Primus who opened for U2 while they were
          around here in New Jersey.
          By the way Public Enemy's new release, "Greatest Misses", is
          great production of some of thier older songs from other
          albums such as "Yo bum rush the show" and "Takes a nation of
          millions to hold us back"

          Any thoughts

          Ken
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:40:16 +1000
From:         "(Mark Andrew Hawling)" <chuck@CS.UNSW.OZ.AU>
Subject:      Re: VINYL Records

>
>     But I rather have a Cd, with its great sound.

Problem is that so many reissue CDs have sound that is worse than the
original vinyl record. When I went to replace some of my worn records
with CD reissues I found the CDs were terrible. Two examples that
come to mind were Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew" and the original
reissues of Hendrix' "Band of Gypsies". STuff that is recorded now
for CD can sound pretty good, but digital still does sound different
to analog. The sample rates apparently aren't quite high enough to
capture the entire spectrum of the music.

Records are still handy in that you can buy so many of them 2nd hand
and for about a sixth of the price. If you end up with enough you
don't wear them out that quick because you have so many to listen to.

mark
From: v30yjs@V0SUN2.CCL.ITRI.ORG.TW ((Jinn S. Yang))
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Subject: Why don't they put Lyrics in CDs ?
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:37:56 GMT
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Hi. Could somebody out there kindly tell me :
Why don't they include the lyrics in CDs ?
I can buy CDs within which the full lyrics are included
if they are made here in Taiwan. But if they're imported
from US, there's no any information in most of them.
Why? Don't you need the printed lyrics to help understanding
what they're singing ?  :(

WHY ??
-Yjs
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: YO!!

>From: "Jim Kirkman (LP)" <LESPAUL@UNC.BITNET>
>Subject: YO!!

Hey, Jim is back!

>Are the regulars still out there? Carol and the Bloomster and the
>Beermeister, et. al.? Michael, I listen the Henry Cow and Knitting

        Boy, we're all here in Musicland and doing well, too! Even
woj shows up every now and then... :)

>Anybody critiqued the new P. Gabriel disc yet, Marco maybe? I hear
>he's been one depressed fellow lately, something about women, huh?

        There has been a minor talk, actually. The widespread opinion
is that _Us_ is an album with great songs, but doesn't break any new
ground. I agree, though having listened to it thoroughly yesterday
evening after a week of silence :) I have found it extremely powerful
on the emotional side. It's worth the money it costs, IMHO.

        On to another message!

        Ciao, Marco
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:57:25 EDT
From:         Mike Karolchik <MIKE@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Vinyl
              gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL

>L.W. sez:

>>I don't want to start a debate here (honestly), but you just can't beat the
>>sound of Analog. I know CD's are great for numerous reasons, but a good
>>Turntable and quality vynyl just can't be beat, the sound is so much
>>warmer i dreaded bying a cd player (probally because i have a Linn TT)
>>but now i'm getting used to it.....L.W.

>Like you had a choice. Vinyl is a thing of the past and this makes me sad. I
>hate the fact that if I want any musical recording, I *have* to buy a CD. I

Hmm... well, if I look in my studio it's very hard for me to believe that
albums are a thing of the past. I have a room full of them! I'm quite
sure that there are others on this list who are in the same situation.
True that there aren't many (if any) new vinyl recordings coming out
these days, but there are billions (trillions?) of albums in the world.
They aren't all going to be replaced on-for-one with CDs. Not that I
don't believe that all recordings will eventually find their way to CD
media (although I'm skeptical about some) but I just would not go to
the expense (nor would other people) of replacing all of my vinyl. In
many cases I just want the ability to hear a piece of music whenever I
choose, and a record will serve that purpose very well.

>I still try to find stuff on vinyl. Some record stores have a special
>"cut-out,
>we bought too much of this crap a few years ago" bin, but I rarely see
>anything even remotely worthwhile.

>Bring back the vinyl; it just ain't the same without it.

I sort've hate to divulge a secret, but you'd do well to check out
your better used-record stores. Nowdays many people are in a panic
dumping their vinyl because they figure it will have no value tomorrow.
With the glut of used stuff available to buy, record stores can afford
to be picky and they are buying very good quality/condition vinyl for
low prices. The result is that you can find some very good albums for
cheap at the used record places. Last time I went record shopping in
Pittsburgh I was practically alone in the vinyl  while a lot of people
were crowded in the CD section. I found some wonderful albums in mint
condition at only $3.00 apiece. I got some original Zappa releases,
for example, that replace my worn copies and are worth $3.00 for the
covers/liner notes alone (IMHO).

So... I don't think that albums are gone unless you only want to
listen to contemporary music. What worries me is that it's getting
harder to find turntables, cartridges, styluses, and cleaning products
for vinyl. Also, it seems like no efforts are being made to improve
turntable technology now that LPs are an old medium. If only we could
have a laser stylus... no wear and tear, no clicks and pops, warp
compensation. OK cool down all you physicists out there, I'm just
dreaming.

-Mike t.l.g.
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:12:00 EDT
From:         Susan L Toppin <STOPPIN@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Utopian fans

Hi all you Utopian fans out there!  Over the past few years, I
have developed an interest in music by Todd Rundgren.  I am not
a Todd finatic, but it does interest me.  I would like to have the
address for the newsletter which is put out about Utopia.  Please
send it to me if anyone has it.
Susan at UNC Chapel Hill
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Date: 15 Oct 1992 05:53:23 GMT
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In a previous article, MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET (Mike Masuda) says:

>I put in my two cents a couple of days ago, with some ideas
>for multitrack recording, but I got no feedback.

  You must have had your EQ set right then, heh heh. Get it?  Huh?  Huh?

  Can't get into the full tilt of your questions Mike (since there were
more than enough posed in this last posting to keep us afloat for the next
six months), but I'll give you one of my stranger tricks. Let's call this
one "Pat Metheny's Synclavier Guitar-as-a-Ghost." Equipment needed:

  A microphone                (I used a SM-57, no bull -- hey, Marco)
  A long reverb or short delay
  A pitch shifter/harmonizer  (I used a Zoom 9002 for the delay and harmo)
  A recorder, preferably a multitrack 
  cassette type, since it's easy to 
  make backwards track with
  A pair of functional human lips

  Plug the mic into the input of the pitch shifter/harmonizer, feed its
output into the reverb/delay. Now, go get something you've already recorded
no more than three tracks of already (with a four-track, in this instance),
orient the tape so that the already-recorded tracks playback backwards, and
feed the output of the delay into the (or one of the) unusued channels. Now
this setup is very "improv-friendly," inasmuch as what you will be doing
with the mic will be whistling into it, and with these effects, it's really
hard to detect minor pitch fluctuations (ever try to hold a whistled tone
stead?  Not easy... get a tuner and try it sometime). Okay. Set the pitch
shifter to track one octave below the fundamental, and mix the wet/dry at
about 50/50. The delay should be set for short slapback range, say 80-100
milliseconds, and lots of repeats... lots of wash. Now, playback your 
recorded tracks, and whistle a melody line overtop of it, recording as you
go. Pop out the tape, flip it over, and replay the results. Really spooky.
No, really.

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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Subject:      Cocteau Twins

 DAVE HALL:

          Anyone that hears Cocteau Twins, will be completley high. The soft
sound of her voice is an excellent way of view the world or our inside.

          Treasure is , I think, their maximun. It brings our senses  at a high
   climax.

          Dave, Cocteau Twins is not of a extreme dislike. Is of a extreme \
Treasure.

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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:21:16 CDT
From:         Dave Hall <USTS060@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU>
Subject:      Re: U2 played here last night
              8 Oct 1992 13:28:00 EDT from <TIFFANYDE%URVAX.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU>

     U2 has made an effort not to stay with one opening band as they tour.
As far as I know they've been opened by the Pixies, Public Enemy
and a few others that escappe my watsed memory.  As far as the Sugarcubes?
I dunno, anythings possible.

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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:02:28 EDT
From:         "Michael H. Bloom" <MHB@MITVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Cleaning up the archives

From:         Sebastian Welton <SWELTON@ESOC.BITNET>
Subject:      Back from hols...

> However one segment of the show did stand out for me, at one point he said
> that normally they would do Black Iris but not tonight, instead they did a
> piece called Black Iris (De-constructed) which to me was amazing. So upon
> my return home I popped into the local CD emporium to purchase said track
> (even the un-De-constructed version) but to no avail, so what's it on, if
> it's on anything?

It's not. I assume from the instrumentation (four guitars) that this is
the guitar quartet he's been rumored to have been working on for a while
(he also wrote a conventional string quartet recently), and he hasn't
recorded any of this repertoire yet.

From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: True Religion

> recorders (which play at 4 foot pitch, not at the regulation 8...

Who writes these regulations? A popular tee shirt around MIT reads, "186,000
miles per second: It's not just a good idea, it's the law!"
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Subject: Christian Heavy Metal: what's the point?
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:07:00 GMT
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Hi gang,
        there's something which has been going around in my head for the last
umpteen days, and I would like to know your opinions about this topic. It may
start a war, I know, but anyway... here it is.

        From what I read, what is usually called Christian Heavy Metal (with
countless variations, from Christian Thrash to Christian Speed Metal, etc.)
is pretty popular in the States. On this side of the ocean, and I speak about
Italy in particular, there is nothing like that... heavy metal hasn't been so
far (and I guess it won't be, for a long time at least) a style of music which
anyone could stick to the word "Christian".
        As far as I understand these Christian Metal bands seem to put together
metal or anyway heavy music and Christian lyrics. This sounds a bit weird to
me, possibly because I'm not used to the idea, but the doubt I have is: taken
as it is, Christian religion cannot agree with certain attitudes of rock,
and metal in particular (more or less fake references to Satanism, sexual ima-
gery, and so on) for obvious cultural/moral reasons. Let's skip the neverteless
important judgements about the rights and wrongs of this attitude; but, it
seems to me, to put together heavy metal and the Bible is definitely a safe
recipe to reach those Christian people who *would* listen to Metal, but get
labeled as "weird" and "immoral" if they do. In other words, this sounds more
like a commercial manoeuvre than a musical need to me...
        So -- I would like to know how actually widespread is this kind of mu-
sic, and which are the "official" reactions to it. Honestly, I find it funny
to think of a band dressed up like Guns'n'Roses singing "The Lord is my Shep-
herd...". Can you send your opinions?

        Thanks in advance,
        Marco

P.S.: I think it's clear from the contents of the letter that I am not at all
      criticising this musical attitude; I'm just curious -- since I don't know
      nothing about it...
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:12:52 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      SRV Tapes

Attention K-mart Shoppers: It looks like i'll be getting the Last Alpine
concert tape soon, I checked this weekend and i can get it whenever i
get the time to go get it. It is a "soundboard" recording and the quality
is supposed to be very good, so when i get it i'll start that dubbing
thang and let everyone know........L.W.
Listened to Emmy Lou quite a bit this weekend, man what a voice.
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:32:31 EDT
From:         "Michael Lehnertz (Drummer)" <TZJ101@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Michael Lehnertz

   I happen to still be around...

   You shouldn't make fun of the dead. You never know who you might
   offend by saying such things. You know?



                                               - Drummer -
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From: Stefan Ratschan <K3067E0@ALIJKU11.BITNET>
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Subject: Re: Top 5 Lead Vocalists!!!!!!
 <JANNE.SALMI.92Oct6234250@wolverine.hut.fi>

Top vocalists (no special order)

James Brown
Aretha Franklin
Billie Holliday
Peter Gabriel
Otis Redding
Miles Davis (his horn is his voice)