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From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Subject: Re: DCL Command Definitions...
Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 23:05:13 GMT

In article <01GMPO7X72W20002IA@RCKHRST1.BITNET>, SRDANIELS@RCKHRST1.BITNET ("SCOTT R. DANIELS") writes:
> Does anyone out there know of a way I can list all the the verbs that are
> defined in DCLTABLES ?  Also, has anyone heard of the verb REM for a reminder
> type of program.  An employee came across this the other day, and we are
> trying to figure out where it came from.  It is obviously a verb because I
> can find no trace of it anywhere.  Is this an undocumented VMS utility ?  Please
> respond via personal mail and not to the list.  Thanks...
> 

Try doing a $ show symbol rem . We've had a Remind application on our
system for quite some time, that came from a DECUS tape some years ago.
It runs with two com files (rem.com and rembch.com) which live in sys$com
(our general command procedure directory). Basicly it takes paramaters
from the user and creates a batch file which is submitted to run at some
later time, which mails a 'reminder' to the user.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: mrandall@av8r.uucp (Mark Randall)
Subject: call for interest to document the undocumented
Organization: Daniel Webster College, Nashua, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:59:56 GMT

	Every so often, I hear about one of apparently MANY vms
undocumented features. Since these features tend to be somewhat
usefull/necessary at times, I thought that some one oght to document
all of these features. And then I thought, why not me? Call me a
glutton for punishment, but I think I'll volenteer for this.

	This posting is just to find out if anyone is interested.
Obviously, if 2 people respond, I'm not going to bother. So for now,
if you're interested, please JUST SEND A MESSAGE SAYING SO.
Suggestions and ideas are welcome.

	DO NOT POST TO THIS NEWSGROUP. Just send e-mail, and we won't
unnecessarily annoy who knows how many avid comp.os.vms news readers.
              ^^^^^
              Well, I'll USE "annoy"....


			Mark


P.S. - If anyone even THINKS of Runoff.........


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From: SRDANIELS@RCKHRST1.BITNET ("SCOTT R. DANIELS")
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: DCL Command Definitions...
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:18:51 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Does anyone out there know of a way I can list all the the verbs that are
defined in DCLTABLES ?  Also, has anyone heard of the verb REM for a reminder
type of program.  An employee came across this the other day, and we are
trying to figure out where it came from.  It is obviously a verb because I
can find no trace of it anywhere.  Is this an undocumented VMS utility ?  Please
respond via personal mail and not to the list.  Thanks...

+----------------------------+--------------------------+----------------------+
| Scott R. Daniels           |  Rockhurst College       |   +1 816.926.4065    |
| VAX/VMS Systems Programmer |  Kansas City, MO  64110  |   +1 816.926.4162    |
+----------------------------+--------------------------+----------------------+

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: gs50@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Gong Su)
Subject: 3100-M76/SPX hang on 5.5
Reply-To: gs50@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Gong Su)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:40:25 GMT

Thanks for those people who answered my question about how to install VMS 5.5
from CDROM. I was able to go all the way through till the point of automatic
reboot after AUTOGEN. Then the machine just hang there and nothing happened
thereafter. Below is a list of things I did:

1. Bootstrap into standalone backup on CDROM disc No.1
2. Restore VMS055.B saveset onto hard disk.
3. Halt system, reboot from hard disk.
4. 5.5 installation procedure comes up, asking some questions, then continues
   restoring.
5. Register license PAK.

Then AUTOGEN was invoked by the installation procedure, GETDATA, GENFILES,
SETPARAMS..., and performs an ordinarily system shutdown. Then

83 BOOT SYS
  -DKB200_	and hang forever!!!

I heard there are some problems with 5.5, but I can't believe it's so bad as
not to boot!!! So what's the problem here? Am I doing something wrong? Can
somebody help me with this or I have to call DEC?

Gong Su
Columbia University
gs50@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
From: biwine@vaxsar.vassar.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Measuring performance
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:01:59 +1000
Organization: Vassar College

I am interested in comparing the real-world performance of  various
VMS, Ultrix and non-DEC systems.  I have seen published ratings for
CPU and I/O, but these do not tell the entire story.  For
example, a MV3100 is rated at 2.7 VUPS, but would not support as many
users as a VAX 6220, because the bus and I/O capacities are very
different.  IBM RS/6000 machines have fantastic Specmarks, Mips and
Mflops, but I have read reports that they not do nearly as well in
multi-user support as these numbers would suggest.

What I would like to see is some sort of a meaningful rating system.
For example, that a machine configured with this much memory, this
many disks on this many I/O channels can support this number of
database users, or this number of All-in-one users, or some mix of
both.

Is this sort of information available?  Are TPC-A ratings a good way
of comparing real-world performance?  Are there independent companies
that do this sort of rating?

Your comments are welcome.

Bill Wine
System Manager
Vassar College
biwine@vassar.edu
From: leichter@lrw.com (JERRY LEICHTER)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: How to setup a 'MAIL ONLY' VMS user name
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:51:59 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

There have been a number of messages pointing out the potential dangers that
can come about because a "mail-only" account with access to SEND/EDIT can
write files, like LOGIN.COM.

It's a general principle of setting up secure captive accounts that the files
used to implement the captive environment not be writeable from within that
environment.  The LOGIN.COM for that account, and any .COM or .EXE files it
executes, should not be owned by the captive username, and should be read-
only to it.

When I set up such accounts, I prefer to leave the important files in
a place like SYS$MANAGER, with the same security settings (e.g., ownership
by SYSTEM) as important system management files.  This makes it easier to
remember that they are critical, and means that whatever procedures you
have for editing such files as SYSTARTUP - you DO have such procedures,
don't you? - can be used for these files as well.

The point of this is to ensure that nothing the captive user can do ever
executes any file but the ones you have defined.  With care, given the
help VMS gives you with the CAPTIVE flag, this isn't hard to do.

Note that if you consider it a violation of your security policy for these
accounts that they be able to write ANY files, you have a much tougher
problem.  There are ways to do it, but it's not easy, since incoming mail
is normally stored "as if by the recipient" and outgoing mail requires the
creation of temporary files.
							-- Jerry

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: crobw@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Dec Software on CDROM questions
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:04:30 GMT

In article <83@colornet.UUCP>, dfilip@colornet.UUCP writes:
> [...]
> cheap) in new system configurations. My contention has been that we are simply
> copying savesets off from the Infoserver to a local VAX, and then distributing
> (via FTSV) savesets to other sites in our network. In that respect, only one
       ^^^^
        |
        + What is FTSV?
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From: leichter@lrw.com (JERRY LEICHTER)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: re: Help wanted : Running out of ENQLM
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:15:05 GMT
Organization: The Internet


	We have COBOL programs which run out of ENQLM very quickly.

	I know that ENQLM is the number of locks you can have queued at any
	one time, and that file i/o can use locks.  But I don't really know
	much more than that, and I would like to understand what is going on.

	1.  What else besides file i/o uses locks ?  I imagine there are
	    operating system tables which require locks ?

Actually, file I/O doesn't (directly) involve locks.  You need ENQLM quota to
queue a lock to the Lock Manager with the $ENQ system service.  ENQLM limits
how many locks you can have queued at once.  File I/O enters into the picture
indirectly, since RMS uses the Lock Manager to control access to shared files.
(There are some other Lock Manager-controlled locks in the I/O system, too,
but they are unlikely to ever be an issue.)

	2.  What is the effect on the system of a user having a high ENQLM ?

It costs you system memory - memory "in use by VMS" rather than available to
applications.

	    How high is high ?  Our default is 800.  Our COBOL user normally
	    has 2000.  We tried with 3000 and still didn't get very far.

3000 sounds VERY high to me - not because the system can't handle it (memory
is cheap these days) but because I find it hard to come up with legitimate
uses for that many simultaneous locks.

									  I
	    don't want to just keep on increasing it without understanding
	    that it is sensible and reasonable that a program might require
	    very large values.  Does anyone have guidelines on what are
	    sensible and reasonable ranges of values for ENQLM ?

It's hard to generalize.  For most purposes, the default of 800 should be just
fine.

It sounds to me as if the affected program has a bug.  Perhaps it is locking
hundreds of records in files without ever releasing any locks.  Perhaps it's
just opening hundreds of files and locking records in each.

In any case, a closer examination is called for.
							-- Jerry
From: SCANDORA@cmt.anl.gov (Tony Scandora 708-252-7541)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: VAX/VMS optimized BLAS routines?
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:04:09 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Someone asked for the BLAS routines for the VAX vector processor, but did
not leave a return address in the message.

The BLAS routines are in a separate layered product called the Digital
Extended Math Library for VMS, UPI YEZ, SPD 31.67, PAK EXT-MATH-LIB.
The product includes BLAS levels 1, 2, and 3 and signal processing
functions, and supports ordinary VAXes and vector processors.  Fortran
HPO appears to think they are intrinsics, but you can't use them without
installing the product and PAK.  We just ordered it but have not received
it yet.

Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 708-252-7541
scandora@cmt.anl.gov or scandora@anlcmt.bitnet
From: meyer@IFN.ING.TU-BS.DE (Eckart Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: RE: GCC Backend for pdp-11
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:21:29 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

>	Wanted:  Back-end module(s) for GCC to produce either PDP-11 native
> object code, or MACRO-11 assembler.  GCC will be used on a VAX running VMS as a
> cross-compiler to a PDP-11 target.
 
This is from info-pdp11:

Note that this version is for cross-compiling only. It's impossible
to run GCC on a PDP-11. I'm not sure if this version produces
MACRO-11 output. Maybe it's for GAS or for old DECUS AS. Perhaps
changing it for MACRO-11 is not too difficult.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 12:05:36 -0700
From: mikeg@eecs.wsu.edu
Subject: GCC for PDP-11


   Michael Gschwind has provided a new version of the PDP-11 support for
   GCC.  If you got the previous version from me, let me know, and I'll
   send you the new one.  Or, you can pick it up by anonymous FTP to
   grand.central.org, in the file /pub/pdp-11/gcc.pdp-11.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: moeller@gwdgv1.gwdg.de
Subject: re^2: When do we need VERIFY$01_055?
Reply-To: moeller@gwdgv1.gwdg.de
Organization: GWDG Goettingen, F.R.Germany
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 08:42:08 GMT

VMS 5.5-1 just arrived here, and its release notes claim
that the bug in VERIFY (ANA/DISK/REPAIR, lost extension headers)
has been fixed in the new image that comes with the kit.
The new VERIFY image has an id of X-12.

I'm somewhat confused because the DSIN article describing the problem
explicitly states that the bug still exists in 5.5-1 !

So could someone who has the VERIFY patch please check the image id?!

Wolfgang J. Moeller, GWDG, D-3400 Goettingen, F.R.Germany | Disclaimer ...
PSI%(0262)45050352008::MOELLER      Phone: +49 551 201516 | No claim intended!
Internet: moeller@gwdgv1.dnet.gwdg.de   | This space intentionally left blank.
From: mckay@gimli.bio.purdue.edu (Dwight McKay)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Moving SCSI disks from CMD to DEC, reformat needed?
Keywords: SCSI disk CMD DEC
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:46:42 GMT
Reply-To: mckay@gimli.bio.purdue.edu (Dwight McKay)
Organization: Department of Biological Science, Purdue University

I plan to move a couple of Fujitsu M2266SA SCSI disks from a CMD CQD-220
SCSI controller in a uVAX II to the DEC SCSI controller on a uVAX 3100/80.

Will I need to reformat the disks when I move them between these two
controllers?

--
--Dwight D. McKay, Purdue University, Department of Biological Sciences
--Office: LILY B-145, Phone: (317) 494-4481
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From: dongray@cdclu1.genrad.com (Derek Dongray)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: GETDVIW question
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:41:14 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

[...]
>                                                        One of the things
> that I need to do is check to see if one of the four tape drives is
> online and available. I am using the SYS$GETDRVIW System Service Routine to
> check to see that the drive is NOT allocated, and thus capable of being
> used. My problem is that the VAX that this will be running on is actually
> a VAXCluster, consiting of two nodes. According to the Documentation and
> my own testing, if a drive is allocated to a user on another node, GETDVIW
> is unable to determine whether or not the drive has been allocated.
[...]

> Marc Zampetti
> System Administrator - PMW
> Wharton - The University of Pennsylvania

My initial thought was to get the device's lock name using $getdvi then use
$enq to try to obtain a lock and if it failed ...

Then it occured to me! If all you want to know is "is it allocated?", then
what's wrong with ...

	char device[] = "CD4000$MUA0:";		/* cluster served tape */
	$DESCRIPTOR(d_device,device);
	int status;
/*...*/
	status = sys$alloc(&d_device,0,0,0,0);
	if ((status&1)==1) {			/* success of some kind */
		sys$dalloc(&d_device,0);	/* give it back */
		printf("%s is free for allocation.\n",device);
	} else
		printf("%s is currently unavailable.\n",device);
/*...*/

Simple and it saves reinventing the wheel! :-)

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Name : Derek Dongray, Systems Manager, GenRad Ltd.
Phone : 061 486 1511 ext 166
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From: dongray@cdclu1.genrad.com (Derek Dongray)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: RE-summary of VMS 5.5 upgrade
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:05:11 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

[...]
> 1.)  TOD clock was set ahead? (I think it was ahead) by about 1 day.
>      Don't create any files or change anything until you check this
>      out.
[...]

I had this happen to my system too ... which was a *real* PITA because the node
runs a DTSS server (currently without an external time provider) to keep all
the machine clocks the same on the whole LAN. This unexpected change was very
tedious to fix since with DECdts running "SET TIME" doesn't work and I had to
read up on the DTSS$CONTROL command "SET EPOCH ..." before I could fix it, by
which time some of the clients had started to drift their clocks ...

What I'd like to know is why the upgrade (V5.4-2 -> A5.5) changed the clock at
all?
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Name : Derek Dongray, Systems Manager, GenRad Ltd.
Phone : 061 486 1511 ext 166
PSS : 234261600119::Dongray                 UKnet : Derek.Dongray@GenRad.co.uk
InterNet : Dongray@cdclu1.GenRad.com        CompuServe : 70374,2745
Address : Monmouth House, Monmouth Road, Cheadle Hulme, Cheshire, SK8 7AY, UK.

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)
Subject: Re: QUESTION FOR DIGITAL ON OPEN SYSTEMS
Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com
Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:31:42 GMT


In article <01GMLHJX2JCI9KOQEV@MMC.BITNET>, SKELTON@MMC.BITNET (Hank Skelton) writes:
>> nreadwin@micrognosis.co.uk (Neil Readwin) writes:
>>
>> >|> when in fact nothing malicious was done ?
>>
>> >You mean things like creating some accounts or setting up some nifty
>> >public domain utilities? Like stealing cycles and disk space on a machine
>> >beloning to someone else?
>>
>> Oh please!
>>
>> While I don't agree with what they did, talk about "stealing cycles"
>> on the machine is pretty rediculous in most cases.  Unless they were
>> trying to run a slowdown/CPU hogger program at a high priority, they
>> probably would have stolen more cycles downloading those PD graphics.
>>
>> This is a *long* way from malicious!
>>
>> -BarryB
>
>I'm walking home from the neighborhood bar where I've perhaps been
>overserved, and I go into my neighbor's house by mistake.  Do I wander
>through the house rummaging through closets, writing on the walls, and
>perhaps picking up a souvenir or two?  No, I tiptoe out the door as soon
>as possible, being careful not to slam it, hoping that nobody saw me.
>
>Of course my neighbor should have locked his door.  But the fact that he
>didn't doesn't mean that I can go in and do what I please.  If you get
>into my computer system by mistake I expect you to get out right away,
>don't look and don't touch.  Otherwise I'll call the cops on you as my
>neighbor would have on me.
>
Here, and in the few other states I'm aware of, laws state that any use not
explicitly authorized by the owner/controller (I control my VS, TI owns it) is
illegal.  When I was in California, a proposed law (1979) was so restrictive
that I would have had to ask my boss for permission to delete a file.  That law
never made it.

In most states, opening an unlocked door is still B&E and using a computer
without permission is a felony.
>            Hank Skelton - Meharry Medical College
>             Computer Center, Nashville, TN 37208
>            BITNET: SKELTON@MMC       615/327-6289
>          INTERNET: SKELTON%MMC@CTRVAX.VANDERBILT.EDU
>            "That's my opinion - oughtta be yours"
>
>
>
Remember, I'm not a lawyer, consult yours before committing a crime.   :-)
--
Dillon Pyron                      | The opinions expressed are those of the
TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated.
(214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     |
(214)492-4656 (when I'm home)     | Lawyers are like nuclear warheads, every-
pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com          | body has some, and when you use them, they 
                                    f*ck everything up.
                                                  Danny DeVito, _OPM_

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: veitch@vxcrna.cern.ch (Liz Veitch)
Subject:  Gnu compiler problem on VMS - help!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  GCC, Motif, VMS
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:14:00 GMT


I've been trying to install Motif - G++ interfaces on our VAX/VMS
system, but have come up against the problem (feature?) with GLOBALREF &
GLOBALDEF, which causes the GCC compiler to choke on the Motif header
files.

I know there is supposed to be a fix for this by using the macros in the
GNU_HACK.H file - but I haven't figured out how to do this .... please
someone enlighten me!

We have DECMotif 1.0 (OSF 1.1) and GCC 1.37 and 2.2.2 here.

Thanks,
Liz


Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
From: shields@nexus.yorku.ca (Paul Shields)
Subject: telnet linemode .. on TGV Multinet or UCX TCP/IP 2.0?
Reply-To: shields@web.apc.org
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:29:23 GMT

I have to get a VAX/VMS machine talking to the Internet, but the
configuration is looking a little odd, so I want to find all my
options.

The problem is to permit the VAX users to telnet out to Internet
sites, with the following twist: these users are logging into the
VAX through an X.25 data network, DATAPAC to be precise.

DATAPAC charges users by the packet, so these users have X.3
parameters set for carriage-return packet forwarding, for
line-at-a-time operation.

Rumaging around in Internet RFC's for a while, I found RFC1184: the
telnet linemode option, which appears to be what I want.
Unfortunately, after calling lots of vendors, it seems that no
currently available TCP/IP product for VAX/VMS supports this.

There is a rumour around that UCX 2.0 will support it, but I am
wondering just how it will behave? (what will it look like to the user?)
Does any other company have support for this in the works? 

thanks,
Paul Shields
shields@web.apc.org
From: DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Subject: Re: UNIX like shell
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:04:36 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

ED (Edward Quillen), quillen@cps.msu.edu, writes:

>Is there anything out there that either replaces or lies on top of
>DCL.EXE that gives the look and feel of UNIX 'csh'. I find such things
>as piping and inderection useful from the command line.

Check DEC's product called POSIX, available on VMS V5.5.  The only cost is
media and documentation (no license fee).

-Dan Wing, DWING@UH01.Colorado.EDU or WING_D@UCOLMCC.BITNET (DGW11)
 Systems Programmer, University Hospital, Denver