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From: lynn@elan.Elan.COM (Lynn Gazis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Fun stuff with kids
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:00:09 GMT
Reply-To: lynn@elan (Lynn Gazis)
Organization: Elan Computer Group, Inc., Mountain View, CA

At one point while we were growing up, my mother instituted the
rule that those children who still had bedtimes could stay up
an extra hour or so if they read.  She did this to encourage
them to read.  When I was young, we did have to have the lights
out when we went to bed.  But then, when we were up we weren't
reading.  We were dancing around on the beds and playing with
our blankets.

Lynn Gazis-Sax
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rons@tss.com (Ron Suliteanu)
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Reply-To: rons%tss.com@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems/Manufacturing Group
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:22:54 GMT

We named our daughter Melena (Muh-lay-na). It is a form of Melanie
found in some European countries (and perhaps others?).  We figured
since she was going to have to spell her last name every time, she
might as well spell the first one...
	Melena Lynn Suliteanu (Sue-li-tee-on-oo)

Ronbo.
From: julian@fionn.lbl.gov (julian cortella)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Looking for parents of 4mo old parents
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:23:29 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley, CA USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: julian@dphs80.saclay.cea.fr (julian cortella)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Hi,

This is a bit embarrasing, and only relevant to a few of you.  A
couple of months ago, a few of us had started chatting over e-mail
about our boys born in the middle of September, sharing stories,
achievements, etc.

Well, a change of jobs, and a change of locales (I now live in
Paris), and I have lost all the addresses of the people in
our little group.  Actually, there were only two others, but
if any of you new parents of four month old boys are out there,
please get ahold of me.

Please note the reply-to address above (althought through the
power of telnet, I'm typing this in france, on a computer
in california).  I don't have direct news access from this
lab in France.

Oh well, give me a buzz.  I've got all sorts of stories to
tell since the last time, over a month ago.

Hear about:
  * The wonders of the French medical system (Not!)
  * Dealing with a bacterial infection (What fun!)
  * Taking a ten-hour plane ride with a 4 mo old (Pretty easy)
  * Getting a 4 mo old over jet lag (Not easy!)
  * And many, many, other exciting tales!

Au revoir!

**julian**
(Dad to Jason, born 15/9/92 <- European dating system)

julian@dphs80.saclay.sea.fr
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer)
Subject: Re: Things to do with 10 mth old
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:21:04 GMT


This is a different kind of recommendation since I'm sure that you can find
enough variations of "pat-a-cake" to keep you appeased.

Try Infant Driven activities.  Yup.  Just sit down on the floor where you
are near your infant and let the child decide what games to play.  The best
games we play at home are the ones my kids have come up with.  And the best
interaction, IMHO, is when I can just watch them.  And 10 months is not too 
soon.  In fact, REI recommends this type of thing very early on.

We constantly bombard our children with stimulus.  But the best times they 
have are often when they can just look at something like a napkin or a
balloon without someone saying, "See, do this with it.  Do that with it."
Having a parent just be a quiet and passive presence during an exploration
can be very satisfying to a baby.  And we parents learn a lot this way too.
How often do you really get quiet and receptive during your day.  Being this
way with your child can be so rewarding!


-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: phcalama@dial.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Calamai)
Subject: Re: Home Diaper washing question
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 02:03:48 GMT


I would recommend using Hydrox to kill potential bacteria.  Improperly
rinsed chlorine bleach will irritate sensitive skin.  Hydrox is a hydrogen
peroxide based cleaner that eliminates stains, brightens whites and colors,
hygienically cleans, andd is apparently safe for all fabrics.  It eliminates
the worry of burns, corrosion, poisonous fumes, etc associated with chlorine
bleach and it can be used in wet pails, potties and changing surfaces,
etc.

Cheers
-- 
Professor Paul H. Calamai		email: phcalamai@dial.uwaterloo.ca
Dept. of Systems Design Engineering	phone: (519)885-1211 ext. 3182
University of Waterloo			fax  : (519)746-4791
Waterloo, Ont. CANADA N2L 3G1		telex: 069-55259
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:28:45 GMT

In article <765360d7367365t269@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
>In <1993Jan15.192145.20417@cs.ucla.edu>, geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning)  wrote:
># 
># In article <1993Jan15.152217.2804@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
># 
># > And that's too damn bad, as well.  If those same parents would be
># > open and honest with their kids and tell them some of the horror
># > stories and experiences they may have had while stoned or tripping
># > or whatever, or while watching others do same, their kids might not
># > be as eager to experiment.
># 
># Horror stories?  You're joking, right?  If drugs reliably produced
># horrible experiences, people wouldn't use them.  And trying to keep
># kids from experimenting, while otherwise denying the parameters of the
># responsible use of intoxicants, is a good way to get them to hide
># their experimentation and go way off the deep end.
>
>  Ever noticed that drugs go in and out of fashion?  It's because kids
>  don't believe second-hand wisdom.  One generation does a fairly

Well, then perhaps you could talk about how tobacco fits into the
picture.  Its a highly addicting drug (nicotine) which has always
been legal.  As the evidence has accumulated (hard evidence) that
it is really a very hazardous thing to do, more and more folks
have quit.  Its not socially gamorous anymore, in fact, its not
really socially acceptable in most circles.  The use pattern
doesn't follow the generational pattern.  Interesting, no?

Elise.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ren@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (Karen Prestemon)
Subject: Cats, babies, and allergies?
Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:23:30 GMT


I am pregnant with my first, asthmatic, and am allergic to cats. We do, however,
have two cats, and we were all able to cohabitate quite well after my
body "adjusted" to them.  They no longer make me sneeze, wheeze, etc.

Well, as an asthmatic, my chances of having an asthmatic child are really
great.  I am concerned as to whether or not the baby will be allergic.
I am planning on breastfeeding (I have read that it is a great way to
keep a baby of an asthmatic from developing food allergies if done
during the first six months), but will I also pass on my tolerance
of the cats to the baby?  Does anyone have specific experience with this?

I'm almost afraid to ask the people on rec.pets.cats!  They might tell
me to keep the cats and get rid of the kid!!  :)

--Karen
From: dudding@sallyride.crd.ge.com (Kate Dudding)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "I love Mommy ONLY" problem w/ 3 yo
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:27:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

When my son went thru his Daddy-only stage, we eventually told him:

"Both Mommy and Daddy miss you when we're at work.  So when we're home, we
need to share you.  One of us will read to you, the other will give you a bath.
Who do you want to do which?"

This helped us a lot.
-- 
Kate Dudding                                   dudding@crd.ge.com
GE Corporate Research and Development
Bldg. KW, Room C315
PO Box 8, Schenectady, NY 12301                (518) 387-7164
From: lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov (Lindsay Schachinger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Developmental Milestones: Survey
Date: 23 Jan 1993 04:15:48 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.22

In article <1jpl9eINNho3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ck270@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andrea Von Ahnen) writes:
>
>A bit off the subject, but I have a comment about the parenting
>books and their opinions on where babies should be developmentally
>at certain ages.  For the most part I've found that these books
>report milestone "averages" that are way behind the averages I
>observe from my own kids, friends' kids, family's kids, and the
>general public I run into. 

I've also found this to be the case, except for T. Berry
Brazelton's "Infants and Mothers." And I must say I got a little
depressed reading about these three kids who were way ahead of
David. :-)

Lindsay



-- 

   Lindsay Schachinger			lindsay@sesame.lbl.gov
   Exploratory Studies Group		ucbvax!sesame.lbl.gov!lindsay
   Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory		(510) 486-5009
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: mini-pills and nursing
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:07:35 GMT

In article <C14935.E92@amd.com> karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black) writes:
>day_kevran@tandem.com (Kevran Day ) writes:
>
>I tried a contraceptive sponge.  It seems to have about the same
>effectiveness as a condom

The statistics for sponges are not good at all.  In fact, it's one of
the least reliable methods.  The best thing you can say about them is
that they're slightly more effective than the rhythm method.  They are
particularly bad for parous women who delivered vaginally, since that
makes it harder to get a snug fit.  Condoms, while a drag, are very
effective when used properly.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thumb Sucking
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:50:46 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <8fLkZ=i00UhWE5SRpT@andrew.cmu.edu> Nancy Monda <nm0b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
 (stuff deleted)

> Now that he's in Kindergarten, I'm really getting nervous that he'll
>NEVER stop!
>
>Does anyone have advice on whether I should encourage him to stop, if so how?
>Should I be worried about his teeth? - he still has all his baby teeth,
>but I imagine he'll start to lose them soon.

Well, this probably isn't what you want to hear ... but my younger sister 
sucked her thumb all the way through college! She finally stopped (so she
says) when she got married at age 29.

My mom tried every imaginable way to get her to stop, but at most it would
get more secretive (we shared a bedroom, so she couldn't keep many secrets 
from me). Her teeth didn't suffer at all -- none of us had or needed braces --
but I know she was very ashamed of the habit when she became an adult.

Susan




Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele)
Subject: Re: Branding kids, IQ tests, smart vs dumb (Was: Re: Seminar Program)
Reply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 21:25:53 GMT

I think you people should not do it.  Branding hurts kids and it's  
cruel.   And what happens if you move?  It's hard enough to get tattoos  
off.  You'd probably have to brand a great big X through the original  
and do a whole new one.
-------------------------------------------------------
Rob Steele                            rob@ll.mit.edu
MIT Lincoln Laboratory
244 Wood St., M-203            Children are hereditary;
Lexington, MA  02173          if your parents didn't have
617/981-2575                    any, neither will you.
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Things you do to save time
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:53:21 GMT
Organization: AT&T

cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) writes:
 
>I'm sure that for most of us, the time we spend with our children is
>very precious, and we'd love to have more of it.  If you've found a
>way to shave a couple minutes off of a routine task, please share it
>with us.  Thanks in advance!

There are certain household chores that you can put off or skip
entirely:

1.  Shoveling snow, if this applies to your area.  When I watch the
    people in my neighborhood out there shoveling snow and piling
    it in neat piles that are all the same size, and then edging
    it so it looks just like their lawn (only white), I want to open
    a window and scream "YOU IDIOT!  IT'S GOING TO MELT!!"  If it's
    blocking your driveway, don't go anywhere.  :-)

2.  Anything you'd have to do over again in less than two weeks.

3.  Anything the next people who live there can take care of.

4.  Cooking.  Always go out - then you don't have to do dishes
    either.

On a more realistic note, my son and I accidentally discovered what
an exciting outing plain old routine shopping can be.  We spent about
an hour walking around Cub Foods comparing prices, looking and new
and different products, and laughing at and imitating the expressions of
the models on the packages.  I'd stand near a product and imitate the
person on the label and he guessed which label.

Might sound mundane, but we sure laughed a lot.
-- 
-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+
Nance Colucci                                      att!ihlpl!colucci
  "I'm not absolutely sure I want to do ANYTHING, so quit asking."
-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+-+*+
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: SAFE SEX or SAFER SEX?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:23:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.185255.22318@netcom.com>
shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:
>>
>>  If you talk about sex with a condom, use the correct term - SAFER sex.
>>If condoms are AIDs-proof (and I don't mean 99.1%), please clarify this
>>matter for me.
>>  You can use the term 'SAFER sex' when talking about approving of your
>>teens having sex and be more realistic about what you are approving, I would
>>think.
>
><sigh>  OK, let's see now: I cannot say "we are pregnant", and now I
>cannot say "safe sex".  What else can't I say?
>
>With all of the communication, and miscommunication that goes on here,
>the number of people who cannot spell and punctuate, and the vast volume
>of just plain misinformation that is posted, why in the world are we
>picking nits with language that is at least serving it's purpose?
>
  My question was not intented to 'pick nits' - I find that a lot of people
DO think that condoms protect you from AIDS 100%!  And I think that the more
the words 'SAFE SEX' are used to describe sex with condoms, the more this
myth will be perpetuated, even by parents who want to do right by imparting
the correct information to their children.  Using the words, 'SAFER SEX' is
not just nit-picky; it forces realization of the risks.  'SAFE SEX' implies
'free from risk'.
  I don't think teens having sex is necessarily immoral (in MY opinion) but
I do think it is potentially life-threatening; as the numbers of teens with
AIDS rise, this seems to be true (some cases do come from dirty needles,
though).  AIDS, for now, is a TERMINAL DISEASE.
  If you reread my post, you will see that I was asking if this is not true.
I meant, do condoms not provide 'partial protection' from AIDS?  Pregnancy
was not the risk I was considering, although it is important, of course.
 
                        K. Wilk
                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
 
            <--********************************-->
 'Thrusting my nose firmly between his teeth, I threw him to the ground
  on top of me.' - Mark Twain
            <--********************************-->
From: donn@brat.wa.com (Donn Pedro)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Potheads of the 70's Raising Kids
Date: 23 Jan 93 18:26:09 GMT
Organization: Tandemonium, Kent, WA

In article <C12DB2.2Asx@austin.ibm.com> jlpicard@austin.ibm.com writes:
>
>kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:
>> elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert) writes:
>...
>> >Currently schools are teaching that ALL drug use is bad and that alcohol
>> >is a drug hence social drinking parents do the dance. How do we deal
>> >with the fact that in many cases recreational use of some drugs isnt all
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^          
>> >that bad either? Equating drug use with drug addiction is that same as
>   ^^^^^^^^ 
>
>BZZZZT! Sorry Eber! Recreational use of drugs _is_ bad! Think
>about what happens if you get arrested for it. Think about what
>happens if your _kid_ gets arrested for it.

I love it when a buzzer goes off without preperation.

His point was that the actual act, in many cases, wasn't bad.
And in many cases he is right.

Here -- this may explain a little.

Oral sex  _is_ bad! Think about what happens if you get arrested 
for it. 

Things change ...



         Donn Pedro ....................a.k.a. donn@brat.wa.com
	
	       "You talk the talk.  Do you walk the walk?"

		    There are no ordinary moments.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Tryer)
Subject: Sweet things they do (age 6)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 23:43:06 GMT

My best friend's son is 6 1/2 and my son is 4 1/2 and they are growing up
like cousins.  We don't see them that often, but the two boys know that this
is a special person who will be in each others lives forever.

Well, Marcus will always be faster, bigger, stronger, etc. than Mitchell and
Mitchell accepts this to a point.  But it is hard on him to always be the 
little kid and watch Marcus show off.  So while they were over last weekend,
Mitchell showed Marcus his computer game and said, "Here, I'll show you how
to play."  

Marcus responded in a very childlike way, "I don't need you to tell me.  I
can figure it out for myself."

Well, the look on Mitchell's face was so sad.  He just crumbled, looked at
Marcus and said, "Fine."  He then walked off to his room crushed.  

Marcus looked at me and recognized that he had hurt Mitchell's feelings.  And
he was very upset.  He suddenly realized that it was more important for 
Mitchell to feel important and wanted than for Marcus to show off how smart
he was.  

Marcus went and asked Mitchell to help him figure it out because he didn't
understand how this part went.  I was so proud of Marcus even though he's
not my child.  I think that 6 1/2 is very young for a child to pick up on
how important he is to another child and that his need to be superior is
less important than a smaller child's need to be appreciated and wanted.

These two boys will be very special firends their whole lives.  It is so
wonderful!
-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: fristrup@hplred.HPL.HP.COM (Jenny Fristrup)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 23:39:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Things you do to save time
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

	Both my husband and I work full-time.  Our son is 14 months
        old.  We stagger our work schedules to minimize the amount of
        time he spends with his sitter (he works 6am to 3pm, I work
        9am to 6pm).

	An incredible time saver we stumbled on was if they were
        away from the house when I arrived home from work (even if
	it is just 15 minutes!), I can get dinner almost all the way
	done.  It is amazing how well one can work, given 15 uninter-
	rupted minutes with BOTH hands!

	We have one car seat, two cars.  We've learned it is easier
	to switch cars than to shuffle that awkward car seat between
	two compact cars.  I am a stickler for making sure it is in
	there correctly so this used to be a very time consuming task.

	To save time when I am getting me ready for work and my son
	ready for the baby sitter, we brush our teeth together.  He
	likes to do what I am doing.  Sometimes, if I am quick, I can
	brush my teeth AND get dressed while he entertains himself
	with his toothbrush and some water.  (I know, it's not a big
	time saver, but, it beats trying to dress with a little
	leg hugger!)

	Other things I do include: doing laundry while he eats
	breakfast (6 feet away, still in eyesight/talking range),
	doubling up on grocery shopping (major shop once every two
	weeks, instead of one; it takes planning, but it is worth
	it), eat lots of "planned"-overs.

	Another thing that saves us time is becoming friends with
	another young family that lives nearby.  When I know I am
	going to the store, I call and see if she needs anything.
	She does the same.  If one of us needs to do something
	requiring two hands and concentration (and spouses aren't
	available), we ask the other for assistance.

	Jenny
	fristrup@hplred.hpl.hp.com



Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ted@ocsmd.ocs.com (Ted Scott)
Subject: Twins FAQ: Status
Organization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:29:57 GMT



Hello all,

I'm back from vacation, Beautiful weather in Ft. Meyers last week.
6 days driving with a 3YO Daughter & 6Mo.twin boys plus a great 
week at the BEACH. (Our kids travel well at least at *these* ages)
One cute thing: when we got home my daughter said she didn't like
our house she wanted to go find one! (like the hotels we stayed at)

I have recieved a couple of messages with info and a couple of 
requests. I'm sorting it all out now and should have something by 
next week, Please be patient.

Good news! we have a volunteer to host a mailing list, I will get 
together with them and an announcement will be forthcoming.
--

-Ted Scott          
tscott@ocsmd.ocs.com           I was told that I'm a P.C. person:
(301) 601-2252                               Politically Challenged, that is.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barr@tramp.Colorado.EDU (BARR DOUG)
Subject: Baby monitors for 2-6 month olds
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 23:38:31 GMT

Are there any baby monitors that are helpful in monitoring a healthy baby's
breathing for ages 2 to 4 months?
From: xwiltberger@quark2.aero.org (Rita M. Wiltberger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: cute things they say
Date: 25 Jan 1993 07:30 -0800
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: xwiltberger@arecibo.aero.org
NNTP-Posting-Host: quark2.aero.org
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    


This morning on the way to work (6:15) Jennifer, 3.8 yo,  calls out from 
the back of the van, "Mommy I have grapebumps all over me!".  I cranked 
up the heat and she felt better.  My husband looked at me and I 
translated for him that she meant "goosebumps".  

Rita Wiltberger
wiltberger@arecibo.aero.org