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From: B10@TAUNIVM.BITNET (Itamar Even-Zohar,
              Porter Chair of Semiotics)
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Subject: Re: misc
Date: 16 Oct 92 22:27:36 GMT
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Re: Pauls Bodin's comments on my preference for non-multilingual
    mode as default

I used the word "shaky", but I should have used the word
"volatile". I mean by that: a higher degree of troubles.
The highest degree of troubles takes place with Hebrew
(I haven't tested the Greek, though). I haven't reported about
it to this list yet.

The conversion of material from NB 3.0 and 3.1 Hebrew to
NBLINGUA is painful and irritating, but it would hardly
be of interest to people outside of Israel. I have never
worked more than 12 hours with SLS in my life. We have
had here Shapirit, and multilingual shapirit, both
with multilingual keyboards (of the type NB 4.0 has got)
and menmonic print modes.

I know that the /x switch can be used either locally,
or by defining a whole class of files. However, why have
this complication when not strictly necessary? I consider
it really necessary ONLY if you need to work with
various languages in the same document. But if you need
256-ASCII languages only, plus Hebrew, a bilingual mode
would perfectly suffice. This would be covered by
either a regular 256 chip, or by a 256 set of fonts
(defined in HGC+ terms as 4k ramfont mode, in
contradistinction to 48k ramfont mode).

The trouble is: NBLINGUA allows you to go to 256 set
(ALT-CTRL+ESC), but it does NOT allow you to load
a screen fonts file of your prference (unless you
make it part of the NB.FNT file), nor can you load some
display parameters (like a 48K.set file I used to have
for 3.0 and 3.1) to stablize the display (or rather: bring it
back to 'normal'). I would like to have this as an option,
and I believe that many other users would. Moreover, I
think that it does not entail any complicated programming.
The mechnism is already there, only NBI must be convinced
that it does NOT complicate the pgm.

(There are many decisions taken with this version on the
assumption that they simplify the pgm. Thus imposing a
multilingual setting upon you simplifies matters for you,
as it were, because you don't have to learn anything
about it, or make a choice. I can see the market constraints
here, as I see NBI's retreat from command line to help-mediated
functions, but making options available does not complicate
matters, as long as they are OPTIONS. On the other hand,
the lack of such options does complicate matters, in
my view. And I see others tend to agree with me on that
point. In short, I am not advocating any revolutions with NB 4.0;
only asking for opening closed gates.

As for the display: I don't like colour monitor, so I work
with black&white, where reverse mode is displayed with
lines stretched below and above the relevant item (also in the HELP file).
I stick to HGC+, because it really has given me the
utmost flexibility, including customizing screen fonts,
though this must be done with an atrocious program called
FONTMAN.

Itamar
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From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM>
Subject:      NB4 Install. and the dos path
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From: Allan Needell

A quick clarification of Peter's good news about installing nb4 after putting
c:/nb4 (I changed the direction of the slash to save certain vax systems some
trouble). What he means, I assume, is that he put a path=c:/nb4;...., statement
in his autoexec.bat file and then rebooted. That of course is not necessary
(it is sufficient). Before installing, you can also create an c:/nb4
subdirectory at the dos prompt using the mkdir command, then alter the path
statement for the session by typing path=c:/nb4. Although it may not be
necessary, for safety I suggest path=c:/nb4;c:/;c:/dos.... That way you can
have access to the bat files in your root directory (including autoexec) and
to dos commands without rebooting.

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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From:         "Gerald W. Schlabach" <GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Souped-up cursor in NB4
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On Wed, 14 Oct 92 09:06:00 GMT L.LITVACK said:
>I believe that there are other ways of controlling cursor speed
>(a TSR perhaps); could anyone please provide details? Is there anything
>on SIMTEL or its mirrors?

I use a small program (272 bytes) that was a freebie from PC Magazine
a few of years ago, called QUICKEYS.  It was designed specifically for
XTs and PCs that do not have the cursor-speed-up options of ATs, etc.
But maybe it would work on more advanced machines if normal AT/286+ options
cause problems for some reason.  No guarantee, but I can send the program
(2K with documentation) to anyone interested.

Gerald W. Schlabach           |     Item bellum nullum argumentum est
University of Notre Dame      |     pro veritate fidei Christianae.
Schlabach.1@nd.edu            |          --Francisco de Vitoria, 1539
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Thanks to everyone who sent internet messages about the list, yesterday
and today. I forwarded the full text of one message that was bounced,
and our computer people were able to ascertain that our bitnet connection
had been faulty yesterday.

Thanks, everyone, for your help!

Bob Strauss
UNC-Asheville
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From:         JRG4215@NYUACF.BITNET
Subject:      Re: NB4/Ibid/Ibid+/Orbis
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        It's hard to believe, but in upper Manhattan NB4/Ibid/Ibid+/Orbis/
Lingua finally made its appearance!   I have loaded on my desktop machine
keeping NB3.1 right where it has been, and have only begun to look it over.
I am impressed with many of the changes, but do have some initial questions.
I am also dissappointed to here Itamar's warning that Lingua is still buggy
for Hebrew.  I would be very interested, Itamar, to hear what kinds of
problems you have come across.  That  brings me to my first question.  I am
presently in the middle of my M.A. thesis which I have been writing happily
in NB3.1 using SLS so that I can insert Hebrew into my predominantly English
text.  Would it be unwise at this point to move this project to NB4, I already
have written the bulk of the paper, and am I correct in understanding that once
I do, if I do, convert these files to NB4 they cannot be converted back to 3.1
if I so desire?

My second question concerns the Hebrew keyboard in Lingua.  A number of years
ago I taught myself to touch type using the Israeli standard keyboard, a skill
which was quite useful this summer when I was at Hebrew U. using the library
system.  Although the piece of paper which came with NB4 that shows the
keyboard layouts shows that an Israeli standard keyboard definition exists,
the system has installed the mnemonic keyboard.  I have not been able to
find a way to switch to the Israeli standard keyboard.  Am I missing something
obvious?  Do I need to define the Israeli keyboard myself?  Or will this be
one of my considerations in sticking to SLS for the moment?  I don't see the
point in fumbling with a different keyboard layout than I'm used to.

Thank you in advance for any suggestions.
Yechiel Goldberg
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From:         dave reimer f <dreimer4@MACH1.WLU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Printing with HP Deskjet 500
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              6, 92 4:56 pm

Jean-Pierre Ruiz writes in part:
>
> Reviewing what I did.  First, I installed the Lingua driver for the DJ 500
> through the help menu with set--->general installation--->fonts/printers
> for Lingua.  Second, I made that the default printer setting.   Then, when I
>
I hope this isn't insulting, but I had a bit of trouble too (with
HPIII). I discovered (once I got the Lingua drivers installed thanks
to the one of our gurus-in-residence, Paul Bodin) that it was NOT
enough simply to make a default printer assignment. I find it
necessary to "activate" my "default" printer each and every time I
enter NB4/Lingua. Mind you, this is with a late beta and not the "real
thing", but it may be worth activating the default. (Sorry if you
already tried this!)

David.
--
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From: mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU (Marvyn R. Harris)
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Subject: Symbol set switching
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I have had the same experience as Itamar in trying to switch
between N.B. Lingua and Ascii in the menu reached by Set, Symbol
sets. The one time I tried it from the menu, NB4 made me
reinstall Lingua in order to return to its use. Last night I had
Steve Siebert on the phone for an hour or more. One of the things
we discussed was precisely that. He claimed it would not happen;
I tried it with him listening on the phone, and we could not make
the switching between modules misbehave. Why? I don't know. But
I'm still hesitant to use the menu to change between the two
modules. Itamar is using HGC+; I am using VGA.

He said that NB.COM is rewritten each time the change is made and
that I did not have to reinstall NB4 to get the original version
of NB.COM, which was good news to me. But now I have forgotten
how Itamar says that he switches between NB4 with or without
Lingua.


Roy Harris - University of Virginia
mrh3b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU, mrh3b@Virginia.Bitnet
From: INNWN@VM2.UNI-C.DK (Nicolai Winther-Nielsen)
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Subject: Upgrade in Scandinavia?
Date: 13 Oct 92 08:10:18 GMT
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I have ordered NB4/LINGUA/ORBIS/IBID.
Can this be the reason that there has been no upgrade, or is the problem that n
obody in Scandinavia yet have seen the product?
Nicolai
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:12:48 EDT
From:         "William H. TeBrake" <TEBRAKE@MAINE>
Subject:      Re: Installation hiccups
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Marilyn Edelstein wonders whether, given reported problems with
installation, it really is worthwhile upgrading to NB4.  Though my copy
of NB4 arrived only yesterday and I have played with it for less than
two hours so far, I would say yes, it definitely is worthwhile getting
the upgrade.  First of all, the installation proceeded without a single
hitch -- just be sure you install it in its own subdirectory (use the
default NB4) and make sure your older version of NB is in the system
path.  And it works very nicely, once I discovered (rather remembered
from the advice given on this list a while back) that after I installed
my printer I also had to make it the default printer.  In short, don't
decide not to upgrade because of installation problems.  On a standard
system (no fancy tsrs or compression utilities) I believe there really
are no problems with installation.
And, even though I have had little chance to explore the program's
features very fully, there is much to be pleased with.  Just something
as simple as being able to mark the beginning and end of a block then
scrolling forward and marking more text for the same block is very nice.
My very first impressions are very favorable, an impression that can
easily get lost if we concentrate solely on real or imagined problems.
I do not use Lingua which doubless simplifies everything.-- Bill
TeBrake, History, U. of Maine, Orono, Maine, USA
From: ENG1787@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK (L.LITVACK)
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Subject: Souped-up cursor in NB4
Date: 14 Oct 92 09:06:00 GMT
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Dear all,
With NB 3.1 I used the line MODE CON RATE=32 DELAY=1 to obtain the
fast cursor movement which was described on the List some time ago.
With NB4 it seems that this line in the autoexec.bat file causes
the cursor to run on after removing one's finger from the cursor keys.
Rebecca at NBI confirmed that NB4 might not like this setting.
I believe that there are other ways of controlling cursor speed
(a TSR perhaps); could anyone please provide details? Is there anything
on SIMTEL or its mirrors?
Many thanks.

Leon Litvack
ENG1787@uk.ac.queens-belfast.vax2
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From:         "Mark D. Szuchman, History, Florida Int. Univ." <SZUCHMAN@SERVAX>
Subject:      NB4.0 & Stacker
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To Jerry Walsh's question regarding Stacker's compatibility with NB4, the
answer is that there is no problem.
Mark D. Szuchman
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From:         "Jerome T. Walsh" <WALSHJ@SJUVM>
Subject:      Re: Installation hiccups
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Rob Lavenda writes:

> if you have cleverly used a program like PKLITE or LZEXE to compress
> NB.EXE ... the NB4 installation will *not* find NB.EXE...

Has anyone installed NB4 on a drive compressed with Stacker?  When (If)
my copy of NB4 arrives (I'm across the river from Paul Bodin, so it will
doubtless take *at least* a week or so longer), I want to install it on
my Stacker-compressed drive, on which NB3.1 is already located.  Will
this cause problems?
                                                Jerry Walsh
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From:         "John E. Koontz" <koontz@ALPHA.BLDR.NIST.GOV>
Subject:      Keycaps that can be relabeled electronically
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This is germain to some material I posted a while back on keyboards that can
be relabeled by the computer.

Forwarded message follows:
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:38:12 CDT
From: Peter Flynn <pflynn@curia.ucc.ie>
Subject: Re:  Character Names [Encoding IPA]
To: Multiple recipients of list TEI-L <TEI-L@UICVM.BITNET>

..

About 10 years ago I saw a demo keyboard from (I think) Anderson-Jacobsen
which has LEDs in each keycap, and as you got the host to send escape
sequences to the terminal, to change alphabet, the keycaps lit up with
the right symbols. It wouldn't be *that* expensive to do, perhaps make a
keyboard cost $200 instead of $100. Fixing the characters shown on the
screen is (by now) trivial, except that very little software actually
does it right. I for one would love to go back to my first keyboard layout,
used on LinoType hotmetal composing machines, because it was ergonomic,
but that's fantasy because the physical design was different.

..
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Subject:      Re: Installation hiccups
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I would add to Paul Bodin's remarks (assuming that such is possible) that
if you have cleverly used a program like PKLITE or LZEXEto compress NB.EXE
(a practice that saves a fair amount of disk space), the NB4 installation
will *not* find NB.EXE. If you use the floppy disk for NB.EXE, you will
also need to have your speller and thesaurus disks, if you wish the
installation to be automatic (y which I mean that NB will move the files
; you can, of course, move them yourself.)
Rob Lavenda
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From:         Tom Dolan <dolan@ACUVAX.ACU.EDU>
Subject:      Epson LQ-850 not printing correct
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I have NB 4.0 with Lingua.  It prints Lingua fonts but it does not Form
Feed to the end of the page correctly.  It goes past the perforation on my
continuous feed paper by about an inch and a half.  It does this on each
page printed.

Is there some setting somewhere I should know about to make NB know my
paper is 11 inches long?

Frustrated (again!) in Abilene.

Tom Dolan           Dolan@Acuvax.acu.edu
Systems Manager
College of Biblical Studies
Abilene Christian University
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From:         Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
Subject:      NB4 printerriver problem?
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Well, I got my package.  As a Beta user most of the year, the only improvement
I really looked forward to, was to be able to make full use of the
capabilities, i.e. the various fonts, pitches, and heights, of the P2200 and
P3200 NEC dot matrix printers.

No such luck.  The choices offered even in the tables are much more restricted
than what the good old NB3. made available.  Worse yet, in the most desirable
font, i.e. the proportional one, the letters "WO" appear at the start of the
file, and then before and after each line.  Can't get through to NBI on my
schedule.

I vaguely remember someone else mentioning spurious WO's... any suggestions?
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 92 10:49:55 GMT
From:         Lee Komito <LKOMITO@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Re: NB4 arrival: Laptop display problem
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              8 Oct 92 10:39:10 BST from <M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK>

Adding a small bit to Mervyn's posting -- the problem is likely to
be your laptop rather than simply NB4. On my Dell 320N, there is
no problem with the screen (and I don't use ultravision or any
of the other programs to alter screen display). Perhaps your laptop
does make some alterations, either in the setup itself, or with an
utility add-on? Regarding mono NB -- remember, as has already been
noted here, one can load NB4 for mono or gray scale display by
tacking on /m or /g to the nb command (these options are listed
in the 'short' manual). After a year of tinkering with display
modes in NB3, I find NB4 much easier for laptop adjustment.


Lee Komito                       Internet: lkomito@irlearn.ucd.ie
Dept of Sociology                CREN/Bitnet/Earn: lkomito@irlearn
University College, Dublin       phone: +353 1 706-7106
Belfield, Dublin 4; Ireland      Fax: +353 1 269-4409
From: wight@OBU.ARKNET.EDU (RANDALL D. WIGHT)
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Subject: the laptop keyboard and gray+ in Ibid
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:43:41 GMT
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On the laptop keyboard, GRAY+ = CTRL + P.  Yet in Ibid, if one wishes to
continue entering records while copying information from the immediately
entered record to the next new template, the keystroke is CTRL + GRAY+ or,
in laptopese, CTRL + CTRL + P (which obviously doesn't work).  Is there a
solution?


Randall D. Wight
Department of Psychology
Ouachita Baptist University
Arkadelphia, AR  71998-0001

(501) 245-5107
wight@obu.arknet.edu

207 Forrest Park Drive
Arkadelphia, AR  71923-2812
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I will send you the file zipped. I have also added vocalization signs etc. whose
 p[laces
you can easily find by using the hgc utilities. BTW I have also made Syriac
fonts for the hgc and if you would like them I will send them also.
Michael
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Just a an experiment, try <<FF5>> and <<PT10>>. The PT commands do work, but
have been (intelligently, I think) modified. They now only control point
size. FF controls Font Family.
Robert Lavenda
lavenda@msus1
From: mrh3b@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU (Marvyn R. Harris)
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Subject: More on French speller
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Unable to get through to NBI with their 800 number, I decided to
copy the FREN.SPL and FRENCH.OV3 files from my NB3.1 installation
directly into the NB4 directory. The result is that one can
access the French speller from the Check menu, Dictionaries,
French. But the FRENCH.OV3 is even less adequate than it was for
vers. 3.1 to do the spell checking task for French. Interested
persons will recall that we largely worked around the
inadequacies of the French speller with NB3.1 by creating a
special separation table to define the apostrophe and other
characters as separators. That file does not work with vers. 4.
If anyone has the FRENCH.OV3 file which the disk N.B. Speller F
generates, I'd like to work out a way to get it from you via
email of ftp.

Roy Harris - University of Virginia
mrh3b@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU, mrh3b@Virginia.Bitnet
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Date: 16 Oct 92 14:12:31 GMT
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Itamar offered to prepare a short report on 4.0 "innovations,
improvements, bugs, problems, missing features" etc.  What
a wonderful idea!  He requested 3-7 line info items from
NOTABENE users on this group to help.  That would be a
very nice service to those who have not yet received 4.0, or
who who have not yet girded up loins to install it.  Such a
document would be much more realistic than asking people
to wade through (what?) a megabyte of log files, looking out
for "gotchas" that have already been reported and "fixed."

Thank you, Itamar.

rcc

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