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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: How much food should a cat eat?
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:37:04 GMT

Susan R. Wagner writes:
> how much food a kitten/cat should be eating.

Kittens usually can free feed (constant availability of food,
which probably means dry food, to be practical).  Cats, just
monitor their weight and adjust to suit.  You need to get an
accurate weight for this, though, within a pound is highly
desirable.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger   jpk@ingres.com                    Oh we pulled the handle out,
and we pushed the handle in, and the steam went to the pistons just the same
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ssnyder@sunai.er.usgs.gov (Steve Snyder)
Subject: Re: Cat bringing home unwanted rodents
Organization: Why am I doing this?
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:55:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.230756.20646@m.cs.uiuc.edu> noe@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe)
writes:

>[Funny stuff deleted]
>there isn't already some.  Finally, the utility programs "Eat", "Wash"
>and "Excrete" take care of periodic necessities.  But much of the time
>the processor is idle, what we call the "Sleep" program, with its
>optional audible output.  What fun to be a cat!

And don't forget the "Puke" function of the "Eat" program.

Roger, I think you've started something here, who knows where it will
end :)

-Steve-

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: king@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (joyce.l.king)
Subject: Re: Anybody toilet trained a cat?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:04:37 GMT
Summary: Today is the first day...

In article <18765@ravel.udel.edu>, abby@ravel.udel.edu (Louis Abbruzzesi) writes:
> 
>    Has anyone seen the book on toilet training a cat?  They also sell those
> toilet liners to help the cat get used to the seat- has anyone tried these?
> I know someone who took in a stray that was already toilet trained but it
> may have been self-taught.  Wouldn't it be nice?
> 
>
I bought the book last week and have read it carefully.  Today I bought
the ring with the liners.  The book does not require the ring with liners
but I think it will make it easier.

Interestingly, the book introduces the subject by explaining why it is
more natural for a cat to use the toilet than a litter box.  According
to the book, cats urinate and defecate in a large circle around their
home, but not close to their "inner" territory.  Therefore, again,
according to the book, the closer a cat gets to the smell of his/her
elimination, the closer he/she is to territory that is not secured and
is therefore less safe.  ACCORDING TO THE BOOK (do not flame me and say
this was MY opinion, please).  The book also says that a cat is MUCh
happier with a clean-smelling place for bodily functions.

Whatever.  I am just interested in doing away with the litter box.  I
have two cats, both strays, who now own me.  They are well litter trained,
which both the book and the ring say is required.

A friend of mine trained his cats to use the toilet.  He went away for
a few days and his father came over to check the house and feed the cats.
The father closed the bathroom door before leaving.  When my friend came
home, the fish in his aquarium were floating on the water surface with
these strange little log-looking things.

I'll keep the net posted...
  
 
-- 
                       Joyce Andrews King
From: afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Look what the cat dragged in ...
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:45:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims01.13APR199222454610
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr13.152124.3431@athena.cs.uga.edu>, Bozo the Clown Writes ...
> 
>Hi, I just in America.  This where I find cantonese recepe for cat, no?

No.

>Sorry english. 

Actually, *great* english... just a sorry joke.

.. and *I* should know ! :-)


-- Stephen 

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	choices you *didn't* make.




-- Stephen 

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From: ljkess@mdf.mitre.org (Laurie Kessler)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Thumper
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:49:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr8.194931.11028
Organization: The MITRE Corp.

Hi!  I was hoping to get some net-wisdom on this issue. 

One of my girls (siamese) is exhibiting some unusual behavior.  That is, every once in
awhile, when she cleans one of her back paws, she'll start "thumping" that paw on the
floor.  I've examined the paw and can't find anything that might be irritating it, or any
evidence of a rash or other symptom.  This "thumping" is occurring more often as of
late.  She isn't declawed (although I do clip her claws), and she doesn't appear to favor
the paw in any way.  Her litter mate (also female) doesn't do that at all.  Does anyone 
have a clue as to what's going on?

Thanks!!!

Laurie (Jasmine (aka Thumper), and Indigo (aka Fang))

_________________________________________
ljkess@mdf.mitre.org

"I tot I taw a puddy tat!  I did!  I did tee a puddy tat!"
_________________________________________
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: cat sitters (was not using litter box...)
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:26:51 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

sas3h@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Sheryl Anne Smoot) writes:
> My question is do you think that if we tried to get a person
> to look after her (a cat sitter?) who would come over and
> spend 1-2hours with her, that she would stop this behavior.
> And, if so, how can cat sitters be found (I'm in the Falls Church,
> Virginia area).  How expensive are they?  How trustworthy (we
> don't want to let just anyone have access to our home)

In my experience, grad students are reliable and good cat sitters--
just look for the animal lovers.  Grad students are usually a
little more of a known quantity than undergrads (I know, depends on
the school!).  

I catsat a fair amount of the time when I was in grad school--
it was so nice to have a quiet, empty house to catch up on some
reading while playing with the resident cats!  In fact, I still do
on occasion.  Pitty and I had a great time when Jill was in Japan!

My catsitters have been either catcrazy friends, fellow grad
students who were also looking for a quiet break in the day, or
vet students (whom I had often taught as undergrads).

Kay Klier   Biology Dept  UNI
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: john@spd.analog.com (John Hayden)
Subject: Re: feline sumo wrestling -- is this normal?
Organization: Analog Devices, Norwood MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:59:32 GMT

Boy/girl cat "fighting" where the male grabs the female about the shoulders
and fake-bites her there may be mating play (especially in older kittens). 
I heard somewhere that this kind of biting is mating behavior, and induces the 
female to 'freeze'. 

Our two kittens (Mike & Goldie, 6 months old) were just spayed/netuered.
Beforehand, they did a lot of regular play fighting (chase, roll over and
wrestle; no hissing).  They started the play-mating stuff in the month or so
before the operation.

The sad part is that, afterwards, Goldie doesn't like to play anymore. She
had a hard recovery - an infection laid her up for a week - while Mikey
really bounced back right away. I'm afraid he pushed her too hard to play
around when she really felt lousy. Now she just hisses whenever Mike wants
to goof around.



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From: guy@accept.ec.bull.fr (Guy Collombat)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Persians
Keywords: Persians
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:22:16 GMT
Reply-To: guy@accept.frec.bull.fr (Guy Collombat)
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats
Organization: Bull S.A. Echirolles

My cat is a Persian Cream Silver Blotched Tabby Gold Eyes
His Name is Gipsy de la Guerinette
He is 9 months old.

I would like to have informations about Persans in USA because I read on his
pedigree he has American blood. 4 generations ago one of his ancestors was a
great champion of USA. The name of this Champion is Majololi Mateo of Paco Tico.
I though he was a Californian. But a few weeks ago a friend bring from Austin a
"Blue Bonnet", a typical Texan flower. And my Gipsy played with the flower all
the night : imagine the result :-) . Now I suspect my cat to have Texan blood .


-- 
Guy Collombat .
Bull Unix Center . Echirolles . France
EMAIL : guy@accept.frec.bull.fr 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: edotto@uipsuxb.ps.uiuc.edu (Edward C. Otto III)
Subject: Re: Declawed cat growing new claws!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:10:45 GMT

ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna) writes:

>i've logged onto rec.pets.cats because i have two lovely cats (both of whom 
>i rescued from nasty circumstances), and i thought i might get some ideas on 
>how to better spend "quality time" with my dear companions and other 
>things.  i was ***SHOCKED*** to read this posting referring to someone 
>having had their cat declawed.  what a manipulation of the trust that 
>the cat places in human hands!  i've heard that declawing a cat is akin to 
>removing the finger nails of a human ... any info out there on this matter?
>thanks,
>alka

Have you ever been involved in a cat fight where the 'friendly
wrestling' turns to bloodshed? Believe me, with my three (all of which
are fully declawed!!) and the pawing that goes on, they are a LOT more
comfortable not being scratched by their brothers.

AND:  They still climb trees, get up on the roof of my apartment
building, and beat up on other cats.  For the two days of disconfort
with each animal that was involved, compared to what they could do to
one another, THEY AND I WOULD RATHER THEY NOT HAVE CLAWS.

My concern was that they be safe when I am not at home.

Also, ever been clawed by a cat when you were trying to brush
him/her/it?  I've had some nasty ones. They are cleaner, healthier,
HAPPIER animals without their claws.

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From: ryba@ll.mit.edu (Marty Ryba)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: comforting cats in car
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:49:09 GMT
Reply-To: ryba@ll.mit.edu (Marty Ryba)
Organization: Group 45, MIT Lincoln Lab.
Originator: ryba@ll.mit.edu (Marty Ryba)


In article <HANNAH.92Apr15114534@pomponio.ai.sri.com>, hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah) writes:
|> be an all-news station, i.e. someone talking all the time; your cat's
|> tastes may vary.  If your car has a tape deck (or if you have a
|> portable tape recorder), you might want to determine what type of
|> music they like at home, and play their favorite songs while in
|> transit.
|> 
|> Marsha Jo Hannah
|> La Honda, CA

   This reminds me of one of our cats peculiarities--he's usually perfectly
happy in the carrier in the car (a little unsure and spooked outside the
carrier).  We take them on long car trips all the time.  Anyway, we like to
hear music (of all kinds), and we found much to our dismay that FuzzB does
*not* like Metallica.  As soon as we put on the CD, he started yowling.
Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Led Zepplin, etc. do not bother him, just Metallica!!

Sheesh!

-- 
Dr. Marty Ryba                |
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MIT Lincoln Laboratory        |
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: pmmuggli@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Pauline M Muggli)
Subject: Re: comforting cats in car?
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:43:00 GMT

  klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>sas3h@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Sheryl Anne Smoot) writes:

>> I keep my cat in the carrier only on trips when we are NOT going to
>> the vet.  I do not want her associating the carrier to the vet.  She
>> used to hate the carrier, but now she'll get in without a fuss and
>> will sleep most of the time.  
       [ part about getting cat out of car at vet deleted ]   
>> ALso, one time we were in an RV and Kitty was aboard and loose.
>> She ended up walking on the dashboard, across the drivers lap (just
>> so she could look out of the window), and under the pedals.  Bad
>> idea.

also can be very dangerous.
 
>Before I got a cat carrier for Christmas, my crew were usually 
>transported short distances in cardboard apple boxes (double wall
>construction, precut ventilation holes.  This didn't work for long
>distances, though, since they shredded their way through the box
>in about 1/2 hour.
 
>I never could get Carrie into a carrier (she offered to demonstrate
>disembowlment on me), but I could get her to hide in a pillowcase
>(I used a kingsize pillowcase) by playing hide-and-seek mousie 
>in the bedclothes, one of her favorite games.  Then all I had to do

this is similar to what i did with midnite, except, i did it with
the cat carrier.  she didn't like the thing and would do one of
those "see if you can get all four legs in at the same time"
dances.  i left the carrier out for her to sniff and sneak in
when i wasn't home.  to intice her to get into the carrier, i
would put a "kitty treat" through one of the holes.  (she could
only have it if she went inside.)  i would also put a string
through the hole and let her play.  then i would shut, but not
latch the door so she could push it open.  it seems to have helped,
she doesn't complain about the carrier, just the car, road conditions,
length of the trip, etc.  but at least she goes into the carrier
without a struggle.

>was tie the top tightly and get her to the car, where a pillowcase
>could make some *very* interesting noises when placed on the floor in
>back seat.  I always got strange looks when I showed up at the vets
>with my cat-in-a-sack, but once people heard the kitty-swear words
>emerging from the pillowcase, I got knowing nods...
   [ rest deleted ]

kay, 
i wonder what the police would have said if you got pulled over
for a traffic ticket and they was this meowling, hissing,
writhing pillowcase on the floor of your car.  you could always
have offered to let the officer look inside, but if kitty
escaped, they would have to get her back in it...  :-)   i bet
stories would go around the police station for days.

pauline
From: pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Quaking cats
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:06:47 GMT
Reply-To: pstevens@Metaphor.COM (Paul Stevens)
Organization: m4

In article <1992Apr14.200048.2989@rsg1.er.usgs.gov>, ssnyder@sunai.er.usgs.gov (Steve Snyder) writes:
|> And now for something a little different:
|> 
|> A few of my co-workers and I were discussing if animals could detect
|> earthquakes before they occurred. This is actually directed towards
|> people in the San Francisco Bay area but others may respond:
|> Before the Loma Prieta earthquake in October 1989, did anybody notice any 
|> unusual behavior in their kitties? Or other animals?
|> 

I live about 5 miles from the epicenter of the Loma Prieta earthquake.
I was not in the house when the original event occurred but I was there
for many of the numerous aftershocks, some of which were of quite 
significant magnitude (5's and 6's).  Our cat would react just slightly
before we could notice the oncoming shock.  She could probably detect
the earlier arriving waves more easily than us.  But to my knowledge
there was no sort of she's-been-acting-weird-all-day thing prior to
the main event.

Her reaction to the first few shocks was to get the hell out of the house!
She would then stay outside for an hour or so.  Often, just as she would
get the nerve up to come back in, another aftershock would occur and I
could just see her little kitty mind saying "That's IT! I'm never going
back in THERE again!"  By the second night, though, when the aftershocks
would be enough to wake my wife, me and the cat up.  We would all just
sleepily look around go "ho hum, another aftershock" and return to sleep.

+------------------------------------------------------------------------+

   Paul Stevens                        {apple|decwrl}!metaphor!pstevens
   Metaphor Computer Systems           pstevens@metaphor.com
   Mountain View, CA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: cap@netcom.com (Caroline Smrstik)
Subject: Re: cat hates being brushed
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 04:44:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Robyn Williamson wrote:

>Ralph (Kitty Ralph, Ralphie-poo) hates to be brushed.  I use a small 
>wire bristle brush I bought in the pet store.  George (Georgie Boy)
>doesn't mind the wire bristles.
>As soon as I get a few strokes on the back, he slinks low to the ground
>and tries to run away.  Then I hold him down, firmly but gently, and
>continue brushing.  By the time I get to his belly, he's moaning 
>because of this great injustice.  I don't think I'm hurting him.
>And I have to brush him because he's got medium length hair and 
>sheds a lot.  How can I make him like being brushed?

FOOD. Graham Chapman reacts much like your Ralphie-poo when being brushed.
We are even treated to the piteous "ee-ee-ee" sounds of fear and submission
when the dreaded wire brush comes out. Steve thinks Graham has sensitive skin
and doesn't like the bristles. Still, Graham is also "medium-haired" and these
days that makes for a lot of hair flying about that my allergic self can't
quite handle.

Anyway (now that I've convinced my news-reader this is long enough!), we try
bribing the Graham with yummy kibbles to distract him. This works amazingly
well for nail-clipping, and baths. However, even succulent treats like peanuts
don't seem to make up for the torture we inflict by brushing. Try food bribes
with Ralph. And if anyone has *other* ideas for a more pleasant brushing
experience, please post as I could use a few!

Carrie, and Graham Chapman the shedding machine



-- 
                               cap@netcom.com

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: salea@athena.mit.edu (Sherriann Lea)
Subject: seeking kitten in Cambridge, Mass.
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:03:27 GMT

A friend of mine is seeking a kitten as a companion for his young adult
neutered female Maine Coon. He has been working late hours recently and 
hopes that two cats could keep one another company when he can't be home.
He's looking for a kitten rather than an adult cat because his living
arrangement (small room in a large house with several other people) might
be difficult for a mature animal to adjust to. 

He hasn't mentioned wanting a purebred kitten, but if there are any breeds
that are particularly suited for apartment living, I'm sure he'd like
to hear about them (I would too, actually.)  If anyone can give us any
advice or information, I'd really appreciate it; just send me email
and I'll pass it along...

Thanks lots.

Sherriann, who has absolutely no .sig file.
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: <None>
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:36:40 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

luck@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (DeAnne Luck) writes:
>    My question is this: does everyone keep their cats in a carrier Of
> some sort while traveling in the car?  We have kept ours in carriers,
> but during a recent trip to the (nearby) vet, we decided not to get the
> carriers out and just hold them.  The effect was remarkable!  They usually
> cry continually, after calming down from the near-screaming-from-fright
> stage, and sylvester usually has a very messy accident.  This time, they
> were very calm and only meowed a little bit.  Even though we try to talk
> soothingly and put them where they can see us in the carriers, holding
> them seemed to calm them 200% more. Do other cats react this way or do
> we have the world's worst scaredy-cats?

Cats are MUCH safer in a cage, and you are too.  The little darlings have
bad habits like wandering around the car, up onto the dash, walk through
the steering wheel, sit under the brake pedal, nibble the driver's ear...

That said, I will admit that I do not cage Bear for long trips.  He
spends his time in a carrier yowling and trying to demolish it.
If I take him out, he settles into the back of the car, watches scenery,
and behaves himself.  But if we hit city traffic, he goes back in the 
cage.   I know that if I get into an accident, he'll probably be killed
or badly hurt unless he's in a cage.  

My other cats are usually HAPPIER in the cage.  Catkin and Bear usually
travel together in the same cage, and if I open the cage door for Bear,
Catkin will stay in the cage.  Guess he hopes I'll overlook him when we
get to *THE VET*.  Dum-dum and Little Cat are too flighty and unpredictable
for me to trust them in the car without a cage, even when we're just going
a couple of blocks.

Kay Klier   Biology Dept    UNI
From: qhwpyd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Cynthia Goff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Hill's Science Diet
Keywords: Just a few more notes
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:51:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44664
Distribution: usa


     I did not say that the 4 d's did not go into pet food.  I just defined
by-products and what went into human food.  I conferred with two animal
science professors today for more info and to double check myself.  One
is involved in monongastric nutrition.  Like Marla expertly stated, cat food
could be safely ingested by humans.  She also stated that those carcasses
that do not meet the specifications end up as fertilizer.  This is the same
thing he said which is what I also believed.  He also stated that the heat
processing definitely kills any harmful bacteria.  I hope this helps.
Cindy Goff
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: khare@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Kathy Hare - DCS)
Subject: Thanks Re: help my cat is skinny
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:50:52 GMT

Thanks to all who posted with helpful hints as to what might be wrong 
with Magee.  I took him to the vet yesterday and surprise surprise he
has worms. Tapeworm and round worm to be exact.  The vet gave him some
deworming pills and he has to back in 10 days for a second round worm
pill.  The vet said that he is heathly otherwise and that he is a beautiful
cat.  We are pretty lucky, she told us he is almost a purebread because
of how wide his stripes are and that he is an orange tiger stripe. Not
bad for a side of the road rescue eh!  Anyway she gave us some different food to

try and she will check his weight in ten days.
Again thanks to all Kathy