HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Minds Change *or* How to Mislead With Numbers
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:12:24 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <5916102303011993/A01305/POSSE/11711DC53800*@mrgate.uwyo.edu> LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA) writes:
>[...]
>For those of you who are actively boycotting Colorado, do know that your 
>efforts are _greatly_ appreciated here by a good part of the gay community.
>It has been a source of strength for many in the community (at least many 
>people to whom I've spoken).  As a shop owner in Denver put it when
>I asked him if the boycott was affecting his business: "you know, I voted 
>'no' on 2 [a typical disclaimer these days],  but I admit I am worried about
>losing business with this boycott thing.  Yet I have to say, it's kind of 
>neat that so many people are outraged by Amendment 2. I didn't realize the 
>pro-gay sentiment was that strong in this country."  Well, I second that 
>emotion:...

Indeed.  Every time I read about another large city or convention
supporting the boycott I get a good feeling.  These are *heterosexual*
people doing this.  There is no way in the present that homosexual people 
could pull this whole thing off by themselves.  We may not be able to 
save Colorado but at least there is some glimmer of hope for the rest 
of the country.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Cigars
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:13:46 GMT

In article <73220@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Tim Pierce writes:
>>George, please put out your cigar.
>
>That's the first time I've heard it phrased like that. Usually,
>it's something like "Do you *have* to smoke that horrible thing
>in here?!?" in a high-dudgeon voice... and not infrequently
>accompanied by dramatic Bette Davis-like gestures with a lit
>cigarette...(!)  My response to shrill rudeness is usually to
>simply ignore it. [Arne is a rare exception. ;-{)##]

Not meaning to be bathetic, but it could have also come from people
like my dead father, who went into a long and severe decline when,
after more than 20 years of mild cigar smoking developed throat
cancer.  With radiation and chemotherapy he managed to avoid a
laryngectomy, but the complications that resulted from the surgery
(retriggering latent diabetes, heart stress leading to heart attacks
later on) eventually led to strokes, an enlarged heart, and diabetic
gangrene necessitating the removal of his left leg.

One hardly needs to mention that Freud was pretty grisly towards the
end too.

Truly, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[typed, waving fingers in High dudgeon]
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:13:11 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com

In article <C0GAEL.917.2@cs.cmu.edu>, zitsky+@CS.CMU.EDU (Mark Ryan Miller) 

|> Why don't people who are targeted frequently, move to another city
|> or neighborhood?  Why stay where you keep getting harrassed?

I live in what is considered the most famous "gay city".  However,
even here many gays get bashed and harassed.  Now, why would I leave
here, where at least I am amongst my own, to run from some insecure
bozo?

There is no place where gays won't be harassed (unless they are closetted
and in a community that thinks they do not exist).

Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I will stay here and fight instead.


FWA
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: tearoom sex and bathroom police
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:22:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1993Jan12.142218.23532
Distribution: soc
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1993Jan12.133337.28250@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.123214.22351@lclark.edu>
>snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan12.111353.16313@macc.wisc.edu>
>>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>>>In article <1993Jan12.075727.19300@lclark.edu>
>>>snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass) writes:
>
>>>>Before the Portland Police Department
>>>>started a crack down on one of our parks a leak occured and the gay 
>>>>community was alerted to what would be happening.  So we protected
>>>>the people in the parks and we protect ourselves from some bad p.r.
>
>>>In a free society you would not need "protection" from law
>>>enforcement.  In a free society, sex in park toilets would
>>>not be a public-relations issue.
>
>>Very true!  But I know of no such free society.
>
>Are you saying, therefore, that such objections as mine
>are not valid for that reason?


Well where were you refering to Jess?  There is no free society on
this planet.

It would be nice if what you said could be.  Then again I get pissed
when I am trying to take a shit and I see some one looking through a 
peep whole.  What about my rights to privacy?

>
>>Ah, I do remember talk about one when I was a kid growing
>up.  But it was just a myth like Santa Claus.

I revert back to Childhood and you show your senility.  Guess we
are even in our search for this 'free society' you speak of.

Bil Snodgrass III
>
>Are you trivializing the idea of freedom because there is no
>Santa Claus?  Sounds like you're still a kid.
>
>-- 
>[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
>[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
>[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
>[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu (David O'Donnell)
Subject: Re: Gay men personals...
Organization: ECLOS
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:55:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.031637.5579@athena.mit.edu> sun@athena.mit.edu (Tigua Alan Naghel Jackson) writes:

>which is for white men to consider: When placing an ad why say, 
>'GWM seeks same, no fats no fems' when what you mean to say is,
>'GWM seeks <whatever> no colored, no fats, no fems...'?

Perhaps because "no colored" (or "no blacks/hispanics/asians...") is
racist, and we all know the PC Rules won't let us get away with that,
but being anti-overweight or anti-effeminate is ok because "real" gays	
AREN'T fat or anything less than Jeff-Strykeresque.

--Dave O'Donnell
  atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu
  If Brown University Knew I Posted This, They'd Probably Deny My Existence.

PS -- For those whose terminals are sarcastically-challenged, this article is
      liberally covered with sarcastoidal pixels.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: Josh Simon <jsimon@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Stealth camp
Originator: jsimon@sushi.convex.com
Reply-To: jsimon@convex.COM (Josh Simon)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 17:36:58 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <dross.726633012@cs.wisc.edu> dross@cambizola.cs.wisc.edu (Dan Ross) writes:
>In <16B511009F.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney) writes:
>>My SO adds the phrase "in bed" to the end of every fortune cookie fortune
>>she reads. [...]

>However, due to this "tradition", I became too embarrassed at lunch (with 
>coworkers to whom I had just come out) to share my fortune:
>
>	Behind an able man there are always other able men.

A manager (not mine, but at the same level and in the same department) where
I work commented one day that he received that fortune and immediately thought
of me.  I was quite amused.
-- 
============================================================================
= Josh Simon / Convex Computer / 3000 Waterview Pkwy / Richardson TX 75083 =
= jsimon@convex.com / userJSS@umichum.bitnet / {...}!uiucuxc!convex!jsimon =
============================================================================
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:12:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.133321.10936@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.095233.2723@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
> >I don't know about you, but the time I had crabs they did not bite.
> >Itch, perhaps, as they crawled over skin, but they did not bite.
> >Neither do lice. They like to hang onto hairs and eat dead skin, so
> >there is really nothing for them to nibble on when it comes to flesh.
> 
> They take a blood meal twice a day.  If you don't notice this, it may
> reflect that you haven't developed a hypersensitivity to the bites.
> 

The sensations I underwent the one time *I* had crabs (about 15 years
ago) could not be ascribed to "itching as they crawled over skin".
These critters definitely bit.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Glendale
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 19:29:14 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan8.162139.19231@spdcc.com> <1993Jan8.171613.22010@spdcc.com>

Steve Dyer writes:
[About Glendale]
>Doesn't it have the largest Armenian community outside of Yerevan?  Yum.

I don't know about that, but there are a *LOT* of Armenian people
here.  My landlord is Armenian, in fact -- Raffik Aboulian.  And
he's a gorgeous, furry, salt-n-pepper bearded 40's-ish daddybear.

 
() In every country and every age, the priest has been
() hostile to Liberty.
()      -- Thomas Jefferson
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:51:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.211716.13256@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.195658.16430@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>>jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) wrote: 
>>->In article <C0MB65.Ln1@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>>->>It is the observation of queerdom's most sacred holiday, the anniversary
>>->>of the Stonewall riots.
>>->>
>>->>EVERY CITY IN THE WORLD should observe it on the last Sunday of June.
>>->
>>->I don't see any smilies, but I hope to Gawd you mean this sarcastically.
>>
>>why would you say something so silly?  
>
>Probably because I don't agree with it.
>

> I've always taken the name Pride Day at
>face value:  it's about gay pride, which is more than just Stonewall.  

Stand by yer sys admin.

>
>I'm all for having a global day of celebration and display of unity,
>but you'd better offer something to rally around.  Gay pride would do it
>for me.  Stonewall by itself would not.

Exactly.  I have attended all (both) Pride Days in Toronto since coming
out.  Even last year's, when I was not in a mood to celebrate and was 
not happy and did not enjoy myself.  Depressed, I was still Proud.

I would not have been at a Stonewall commemerative.

-paul

-- 
Blew Biyou     S6 b++ g l y+ z+ n+ o+ x+ a-u v+ j+
"Our Father makes art in Heaven, Howard be thy name..."

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: H20, Greehouse, meteorology (was Re: kommotion...)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:43:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.032808.8589@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>In article <C0ns5p.Do4@panix.com> mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes:
>
>	[asks questions about solar irradiance variations and their
>effect ont he solar-terrestrial interaction...]
>
>	Yeah, I took it to e-amil... :-)

Too bad.  I was interested in the answer to that. 


-- 

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Jack Hamilton   jfh@netcom.com   P. O. Box 281107   SF, CA   94128-1107
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:38:09 GMT

In article <mattm-050193154853@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.225714.22900@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael
> A. Thomas) wrote:
> 
> > What a maroon. The only reason that LA moved theirs is
> > so that SF might reciprocate. Talk about giving an inch
> > and taking a mile. Somebody needs to educate this moron
> > that the gay world does *not* revolve around SF, much
> > as he might think it ought to.
> 
> Nonsense!  We are at the epicenter of the known Universe!
> All things revolve around San Francisco!  Why, there isn't
> a day that goes by I am not made dizzy by the swirling 
> maelstrom of activity.  Perferdidious in the extreme to
> claim otherwise!  

  Hon sorry to say but, Club Uranus, though arguably a close 
approximation of the center of South of Market, is only a lowly
outer gas gaint on the gay solar system level. Just because all
kinds of people fall into it's gravity well doesn't mean much.
Helios, the true center, is not down in Mountain View either. 
  Suffice it to say, San Francisco's people are far to pasty
to be close to the center of the gay solar system. (Which reminds
me how *does* that clown from Berkeley keep his body parts from
freezing off in the winter?) As I sure you are now getting the drift,
the gay center of the solar system is clearly more southerly...

		Mike, who thinks he'll go sailing this
		      weekend and ought to bring the #15.
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:35:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.005619.3897@nmt.edu> jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:

>I suppose it could be that they were just using faggot as a generic
>epithet, but kids walked up and down the street in front of my house
>quite often and I heard them yell lots of other things at each other
>but never faggot.  

I hear this from time to time in Westchester County in New York.
There, at least, "faggot" has come to mean anyone fey, nerdly,
unpopular, dumb, or otherwise bearing socially undesirable traits.

Fingernails on a blackboard never bore such reactions in me.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Fleas (was Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty))
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:28:06 GMT


Ya know, as I look at the Subject: line, I can see how a
person who didn't know how it came to pass might take it
sort of ill.

In article <1993Jan6.164507.18654@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com
(Joseph Francis) writes:

>Every time I've had a pet (dog,cat) inevitably fleas would come in the
>house (polished hardwood floors or not). collar wasn't a complete
>solution, but a pretty good one. Weekly, or monthly baths and house
>bombs occasionally were warranted.

In 50 years of pet-owning, fleas have been a problem only
once.  I had four cats who spent more than a little of their
time outdoors, doind what cats do out there.  One time I
went to the basement to put a load of clothes in the washer,
and suddenly I was being bitten on the legs.  There were
*lots* of fleas about.  Nesting animals (which cats are)
that come back to the nest often enough usually have more
fleas in the nest than on the beast.  The solution, in this
case, worked right away.  Took all the beasts out, doused
'em liberally in flea powder, went back in and sprayed the
bejesus out of the basement and the rest of the house with
Raid, left the house for the rest of the day ourselves.
Cats get them, of course, from the rodents and birds that
are their natural feral prey.  Never had the problem again,
fortunately.

About the same time, feline leukemia virus was becoming an
epidemic, and I lost a number of animals to it.  After the
last time, I decided I was *not* going to have that problem
any more either, so after a short period of no pets (virus
with no host dies in under two weeks), I got my present
beauty, and her delicate, regal feet have never once crossed
the threshhold into the great out-of-doors.  She seems to be
quite content, lo these 18 years, with having her entire
territory inside the building.  By the way, atypically, she
is *very* fierce about others (other than me) who enter that
space, kind of an attack kitty about it all.

I nearly got sued by a colleague who stopped by with his
seven-year-old daughter one afternoon.  The little girl
loved cats, and nothing could be more natural to her than
picking one up.  Before I could even begin to warn her, she
had done so and instantly had a very ugly gash from the top
to the tip of one index finger.  Neither she nor my friend
were much amused by this, as you can imagine.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: akcs.kennedy@vpnet.chi.il.us (Edward A. Kennedy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Why not cure homosexuality?
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:55:02 CST


In article <92364.223718MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu> MEH124@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
:Also, just for your info, there are even 12 step groups (like AA) that are
:called Homosexuals Anonymous that are set up world-wide to help people 
:overcome their unwanted homosexual feelings.
 
The therapies that utilize screaming seem to work a whole lot 
better.  See _The_Primal_Scream:_The_Cure_for_Neurosis_ by Art 
Janov.
 
Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, who was featured on 20/20 last year, also 
uses a form of scream therapy.  He has a book out called, I think, 
_Reparitive_Therapy_ with something in the sub title about 
curing _the_Male_Homosexual_.
 
The 12-step therapies seem to help people fight their urges 
toward homosexuality while the scream therapies seem to make 
those urges go away for ever.
 
-Ed

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Bar etiquette
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:25:59 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>
>tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson) writes:
>>Also, did they have Kryspy Kreme donuts in Atlanta?
>
>Who else shuddered when they read this?

Don't worry, that's just the sugar high.

It's one of those things that you *know* is bad for you;
yet you find yourself attracted to that "Hot Donuts Now"
sign in the window at 2:00 am...  after Krystal or IHOP
or (here's a new one for some of you) Shoney's, of course.

jeff - who just heard a report that Alabama ranks 10th in 
       the U.S. in percentage of overweight people.  (We
       have all the above listed eating establishments.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Should I be doing this?
Organization: (getting there)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:37:24 GMT

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

 >There is no *Mara*
Untrue.  During the Toronto con Marty and I took a morning to go up
to the zoo, and we saw them.

 >But wait!  A cabal is comprised of more than one.  Thus, Mara is more than
 >one person! 

Wait a second:  You can say "There is more than one Mara" and speak
truth. Upper or lower case.

Very peculiar animal, the mara.


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Snapple Drink Boycott
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:29:35 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <1ia01aINNhjt@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, jav@rhiannon.sitka.sun.com (Joyce Vanderpoorten) writes:
> Another company to add to the boycott list is Snapple for
> those of you out there who are pro-choice.  Snapple apparently
> give significant contributions to the anti-choice 
> movement (pro-lifers).

Snapple is one of Rush Limbaugh's favorite beverages.  How could anyone want to
boycott it?  :-)

Frank


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CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu 
Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University
(Not just any Ohio State University) 

"At Ohio State, we celebrate and learn from our diversity and we value 
individual differences.  Academic freedom is defended within an environment 
of civility, tolerance and mutual respect."
--Ohio State Mission and Vision Statement
From: strong@apple.com (Bob Strong)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Capitalization (dubious MOTSS content)
Date: 5 Jan 93 04:37:26 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1993Jan02.021704.4635@iisat.alt.ns.ca> ,
crombie@iisat.alt.ns.ca writes:
>It's the bible. I sleep with under my pillow.
>
>I have to. I work there.

Hmmm, you work there under your pillow?

>:->
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Dissertation on soc.motss (PLEASE READ)
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:21:23 GMT

dyarman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Donald L Yarman) writes:
>     All names will be changed in the dissertation, but since
>soc.motss is public communication, I cannot insure absolute
>anonymity.

Are you kidding? I _demand_ my place in history, with my proper name!

It does feel wierd to feel so watched.
							FJ!!
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Crying Game (AGAIN..) NO SPOILERS.
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:39:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan12.103957.4566
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

I just saw The Crying Game.  I might be alone in this, but I didn't
think it was all that remarkable. It's pretty good, certainly better
than most schlock that comes in the theatres, but.. well.. it's not
*great* or anything. At least, IMHO - I'm known to be overcritical
about movies.

I also don't understand all this talk about "don't let anyone tell you
*anything about the plot*". But, well, I'll be polite and we can talk
about it later, say in four weeks.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                   Nothing is true; everything is permitted