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From: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
Newsgroups: ba.announce
Subject: [Weekly posting] Moderation policies for ba.announce [last modified: May 5 1992]
Date: 30 Aug 92 19:00:08 GMT
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From: root@mendel.berkeley.edu (Operator)
Subject: EAST BAY SKEPTICS SOCIETY's lecture on Vision Myths ...
Keywords: Vision training, Bates exercise
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:03:30 GMT

The EAST BAY SKEPTICS SOCIETY will present
a free, colorful slide-lecture and discussion titled:
 
   E  R  S  A  T  Z      E  Y  E  C  A  R  E
------------------------------------
  Vision Myths, Scams
 and Deceptions
  
- Vision training, methods & gadgets
- Colors, pinholes & Bates exercise
- Cures for dyslexia and low IQ
 
by DR. RUSSELL WORRALL, O.D.
     Assistant Clinical Professor, 
School of Optometry, U.C. Berkeley
 Many bogus methods that promise to improve poor eyesight without lenses or
surgery are promoted with conviction.  Most of these methods have been around
in one form or another for many decades and are still popular today.  One of
the most popular, the Bates System, was introduced by William H. Bates, M.D.
at the turn of the century.  This method is not only useless, it strongly
recommends staring at the sun for extended periods of time.  Other popular
vision therapies promise to cure everything from dyslexia to low IQ.
 
TIME and PLACE
--------------
Friday, AUGUST 28, in 159 Mulford Hall, UC Berkeley, 
from 8:00 to 10:00 pm.  All are invited, there is no charge.
    
  Dr. Russell Worrall has published and lectured widely on the subject of
quackery in vision healthcare.  
He is a board member of the National Council Against Health Fraud.
 
 Bring your questions !
  
THE TALK is part of a continuing monthly series sponsored by the EAST BAY
SKEPTICS SOCIETY, a non-profit public interest group dedicated to advancing
community appreciation of the cultural benefits of rational thinking.  For
more information on our lecture, membership or education program, call (510)
420-0702 or message EBSS@AOL.COM
From: gort@netcom.com (george harrington)
Newsgroups: ba.announce
Subject: Square Dance Class -- Fridays
Keywords: dance class
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:16:40 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix

Announcing a Beginners Square Dance Class beginning Sept. 11.
Class meets Friday evenings 7:30 - 9:00 at Sunnyvale Presbyterian
Church, Recreation Room, 728 W. Fremont Av., Sunnyvale, CA.
(Fremont between Hollenbeck and Mary).

$3/person.
Babysitting available.

For more information contact:
Bob (408) 295-8170
Walter (415) 321-0251
Don (408) 252-6875

-- 
george harrington gort@netcom.COM
Newsgroups: ba.announce
From: dasher@well.sf.ca.us (D Anton Sherwood)
Subject: Genis for Senate office grand opening
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:53:45 GMT

Thursday evening (7-9), August 3, will be the grand opening of the Genis for
Senate campaign office at 1806 Market Street, San Francisco.  There will be
wine & cheese and the like.  We hope for a good crowd and media presence.
Be there!

---This weekend we need a few volunteers to get the outside of the buildling
ready for painting.  (The actual painting is lined up already.)

If you can help, or for any other information, call Jerry Pico at
415-554-0388.
-- 
D Anton Sherwood *\\* dasher@well.sf.ca.us *\\* +1 415 664 2229
Libertarian candidate for California Assembly, 12th district
From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: ba.announce
Subject: September Meeting of the Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:18:00 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange

The September meeting of Bay Area/FREE will be held on Wednesday,
September 9th, at 7pm, at our Santa Clara location [please email for
directions if you need them].

During this meeting we will be watching a video produced and
distributed by the Law Offices of Clancy & Firpo.  For those of you
not familiar with them, Clancy and Firpo practice out of Walnut Creek
and have recently gained recognition for being zealous advocates of
men on the receiving end of allegations of sexual abuse [which
is often a tactic taken by women during divorce and custody
disputes].

The video puports to be approximately 95% education, and 5% promotional.

We have received permission to copy and distribute this video, if we
so choose.  With this in mind, I am hoping that we can have an honest
dicussion and evaluation after the video, discussing the merits of the
video itself, and whether we would like to distribute it and to whom.

Please try to attend this meeting, as the more eyes and input we have,
the better we can evaluate the information contained in the video, and
the video itself.

Please be sure to rsvp to me, and also if you'd like to volunteer to
bring cookies or some other dessert, please let me know.

Anne
-- 
   LOOKING FOR:  David Widdicombe, Hobson Woodward, Lorna Taylor & JJ Lancey
I am: Anne Mitchell, mom, & founder of the Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
Ask me about FREE!  FREE files available via anonymous ftp 128.45.1.1; dir /pub
          sex is a misdemeanor - the more I miss, the meaner I get.
Newsgroups: ba.announce
From: scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller)
Subject: [Weekly posting] Moderation policies for ba.announce [last modified: May 5 1992]
Organization: SF-Bay Public-Access Unix
Distribution: ba
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:00:08 GMT

The newsgroup ba.announce is for the posting of announcements that
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intent is that every Usenet reader in the Bay Area should be able
to subscribe to ba.announce without being overwhelmed by volume.

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please check your spelling and grammar.

Please include location information in the Subject: line!  Not counting
sites in other states and countries, the Bay Area Usenet distribution is at
least 6 hours' drive across, and longer if you take public transit.

Content is restricted to announcements only.  Discussions are not
appropriate material.  If you are announcing a meeting for an
organization that is not well-known, please feel free to include
a short statement of the organization's history and purpose as a
part of the announcement posting.  Please do not send us background
material as separate postings; it will be sent back to you.

For sale/wanted, or rental ads are not appropriate material.  Please post such
ads to the proper ba.market group.  Any postings of those types will be
returned if possible, and dropped into the bit bucket if not.

Announcements of seminars should be posted to ba.seminars.

For-sale and for-rent advertisements should be posted to the appropriate
ba.market group.

Some examples of appropriate postings:

      * An announcement of a meeting of a political organization.

      * Party announcements or other social get-togethers.

      * Conference schedule announcements, e.g. Interop or Usenix, if
        it will be held in the Bay Area.

      * Book signings, celebrity visits (authors, Usenet figures, etc).

The moderators are:

      scott@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Scott Hazen Mueller), primary

      tmiller@cisco.com (Teri Miller), backup

The submission address is:

      ba-announce@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG.

Newsgroups: ba.sports
From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Haley trade, yecch!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:37:37 GMT

Niners fans:

I've had a couple disagreements with a couple of you out there
re: current management moves.  I have been a vocal supporter and
defender of Seifert and staff through it all.

Without going into detail, however, the Haley trade makes me sick.

Is there anyone out there who can take up my former position or
have some info I didn't read about in the funny papers?  Tim Harris
does make Haley tradeable, but, damn it, they should have ended up
with an impact player.  There is a good chance of no draft next
year.

If a player of Haley's ability and size of heart yells at assistant
coaches, hire assistant coaches with thick skin, dammmit.

The only thing I can think of that makes sense was that Haley truly
did want a trade, and the niners don't hang on to people who don't
want to be here.

Mike


Newsgroups: ba.sports
From: lsacks@angelo.amd.com (Larry Sacks)
Newsgroups: ba.sports
Subject: Re: Frank Jordan strikes again
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:23:37 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.


Not that I really want to get dragged too far into this, but both
Chuq and Sherri are hitting on the basic problems with Candlestick.

We all agree that Candlestick could be nicer and a lot warmer! :-> 
but that's only part of the problem.  Access is the pits.  I live in 
Sunnyvale, and can drive up or take public transit.  

We all know what the freeways are like both before and after a game.  If
you're not willing to put up with the traffic and the pathetic access, that
leaves public transit.  The main problem with the bus is that 1 or 2 buses
go to the 'Stick from some areas.  For me, there is 1 bus that leaves from
the Palo Alto Train Station 90 minutes before the game and leaves 10-20 minutes
after the game.  If you miss the bus (no pun intended) after the game, you're
stuck, since there probably isn't another bus going to your area.  

And that's it for public transit.  It would be *GREAT* if Bart or even
SP could get you there (or some combination of SP and bus) but it
doesn't seem possible.  If it was easier to get there, then more people
would come.  For example, I grew up in New Jersey and used to go to Mets
games quite often.  Just hop on 1 bus (it was a regular line, not a special
bus that only ran on game days) for 40 minutes, take a subway
and you're there.  No sweat (although at night the subway could be
amusing).  

So access is definitely a limiting factor.  I've spoken to
people who don't like to go to games just because of the trouble in
getting there.  Then when you add in the climate, especially at night
games (ignoring the occasional warm, balmy night), and you get even
lower attendance.

Then, if they kept it cleaner, had more reasonably priced food, more food
stands, better parking (or a different parking concessionaire), but I digress.

Personally, I enjoyed the Croix campaign.  They finally admitted that
the 'Stick was cold at night and made fun of it.  But you can't
address just one problem without getting to the access problems as well.


Larry Sacks
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Larry Sacks                                 lsacks@brahms.amd.com
Advanced Micro Devices                      408/982 - 7047
901 Thompson Place  M/S 23,  Sunnyvale, CA
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: The Fat Lady has belched
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:16:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.204932.11826@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> spiegel@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel) writes:
>	I can see why U are so easily confused.  You have cut out the first
>	part of your original paragraph, and applied my answer to only the last 
>	sentence of your paragraph.  I never said the Cubs, Colorado,
>	Rangers, Astros, Santa Clara studies even mentioned DC or the 
>	Senators, and of course they didn't for the reasons I have
>	given above.

OK, let's try again: which study used an analysis of the effect of the
Senators leaving DC?  Can you point me to a reference for this study?  I'd
be very interested in seeing it.


>	or who performed them.  I had hoped this discussion with an
>	apparent public-funding of stadiums foe would had led to
>	an enlightening discussion of these studies, but you obviously
>	have neither the proclivity nor ability to do so.  QED

You've given me nothing to discuss.  You've shown you can attack me, but
you have yet to present any details of anything to discuss.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com

Newsgroups: ba.sports
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Jose Canseco Re: Traded
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: ba ca
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:51:30 GMT

You have got to be kidding.  The Oakland A's "non-management"
traded Jose Canseco to the Texas Rangers.  Despite Canseco's
antic's and personal problems and physcial problems, Sandy
Alderson, IMHO, based his trade on HIS personal reasons and
not on the A's business.

What was the benefit in obtaining Sierra, Jeff Russell and
Bobby Witt.  It is my contention that the Ranger's received the
better deal. Can you imagine power hitter Juan Gonzalez
and Jose Canseco on the same team?  Well, like they say,
time will tell.
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
From: TELANG@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: ba.sports
Subject: Re: CANSECO TRADE
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:16:07 GMT
 <1992Sep2.153651.3109@PacBell.COM>
Distribution: ba
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Sep2.153651.3109@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P.
Gloria) says:
>I will not be surprised if the A's lead dwindles and find

Could'nt agree with you more. I have a very srong feeling its the Twins
who are going to win the pennant.

I never have been able to understand why fans have not been able to
differentiate  between an athelete and the person. When I go to watch
Jose I go to watch this exciting power hitter not Jose the person.
Personally I don't give a shit about his personal life. I'm secure
enough not to want " JOSE" as my role model. Just go watch him  play

As far as I'm concerned I loved hating Jose, not implying that
I was one of the arseholes who verbally abused his wife or booed
him each time he came to bat, but sure i booed him when he struck out.
Personally I hate to see him go and it is going to dawn on the A's
fans that we just lost excitement. The A's are filled with excellent players
this year but none as exciting as Jose with the exception of Mark.

Like a banner stated at the collesium yesterday, " Thanks for the memories
Jose"
and get your moneys worth..or watch the giants ha
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: ba.sports
Subject: Re: Frank Jordan strikes again
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:15:41 GMT
Organization: I is a writur

chuckm@dakota.tcs.com (Chuck Meares) writes:

>You give SF one positive because of Angela?  This is the same woman who actively
>campaigned AGAINST the San Jose deal.  She was arrogant enough to believe that
>if she could defeat the SJ deal, the Giants would be forced to stay in SF.

She was arrogant enough to think that if the S.J. Stadium didn't happen
they'd have time to put together a privately-financed stadium in San
Francisco. 

I understand her position. I don't agree with it. I think someone should
have had the guts to put civic ego aside and work towards a regional
solution. (There are LOTS of things I think, but that's beside the point). 

Alioto probably HELPED the stadium proposal, actually. That's also beside
the point. Alioto can be a fuzzhead and a flake, but right now, that stadium
is all we got. If it doesn't fall together in the next two weeks, they're
gone, so history or not, I hope she pulls it off. (that's not just me. Old
Wind Baffles said as much on Ronn Owens this morning on KGO. If there's no
stadium plan in place, there's no chance the MLB owners will listen to them.
Period. And, frankly, what he said about the stadium deal situation doesn't
sound encouraging).

She's the best shot we have. We can complain about what a poor shot that is,
but I suggest we hold that off until after we fail to keep the Giants when
we'll have little to do but whine and complain about how this situation was
handled. Until then, since nobody else is doing anything remotely as well as
she's doing, I'll back her in the hopes that it just might work. 

>Good ole Angela is one of the reasons the Giants are gone.  Please don't try to
>make her the valiant heroin now.

If she can pull it off, I'll let her be anything she wants. If she can't,
then she'll take her lumps like everyone else, but dammit, she's making
progress and nobody else is. So I'll worry about the past when the future
becomes moot. 

-- 
Chuq "IMHO" Von Rospach, ESD Support & Training (DAL/AUX) =+= Member, SFWA
  chuq@apple.com | GEnie: MAC.BIGOT | ALink:CHUQ =+= Editor, OtherRealms
	A real SF writur with stories in ALTERNATE KENNEDYS and THE 
	  FURTHER ADVENTURES OF BATMAN, in better bookstores now!

          Painted emblems of a race, all accurst in days of yore,
       Each from his accustomed place steps into the world once more.
From: neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) 
Newsgroups: ba.sports
Subject: CANSECO TRADE
Date: 31 Aug 92 23:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: neil.black@uttsbbs.uucp (Neil Black) 

I can't believe it.  Wait, yes I can.  Wait, no I can't.

I think that this is how most A's fans feel.  I've been an A's fan all
my life, and I can remember exactly where I was when Reggie Jackson was
traded away to Baltimore.  I'm sure gonna remember where I was when
Canseco was traded away to Texas.

I've always had a love/hate relationship with Jose.  You've gotta love
watching him bat, even when he whiffs.  But he had those streaks where
he'd be injured, then come off of the dl and hit like a maniac.  Like so
many players, Jose had character...perhaps too much character, and in
the end, it has put him into trouble with the A's staff.  I have to
think that Jose said something recently (since the Steinbach incident a
few weeks back) that put him on the selling block.  The fact that the
A's need pitching was secondary in Sandy Alderson's decision.

I wish Jose all the best in Texas, but I hope he's lousy when he returns
to the Bay Area at the end of September and all of next year.

As for Ruben Sierra:  I feel that he is very mediocre, but could live up
to his potential if he listens to the A's coaching staff.  The simple
fact that he has been wanting out of Texas for some time may help him
also.  Bobbie Witt has been a pitcher with room for improvement, and I
think that Dave Duncan can straighten him out for the post-season.  I
must say that the third member of the trade, Jeff Russell, is a
headcase, and a crappy pitcher.

I think Sandy Alderson has screwed up, but we'll see.  He's a very
shrewd general manager, and I hope he knows something that I do not.

Well, of course he knows something that I don't.  Otherwise, he wouldn't
have made this trade.

Any thoughts?

-Neil Black
From: sef@Veritas.COM (Sef Kloninger)
Newsgroups: ba.sports
Subject: Re: Giants Rally 8/28
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:48:31 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: VERITAS Software

In article <71781@apple.Apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
> ... think about what message the area will send if we hold
> another rally and a massive 1,000 people show up.
> ... Four bag ladies and a streetsweeper will send just as loud a
> message to the baseball owners that all the hystrionics of Hizzonner can't
> make go away.

I saw news coverage of the event on TV last night, and it said only
200-250 people showed up.  Frank J. said that it was probably because
of poor publicity.

I think the message got sent loud and clear: either (1) the city gov
can't plan things well enough to get even a small rally together, or
(2) the people don't give a damn.  Either way, it doesn't make SF look
like a good city for a baseball team.

-sef
-- 
------------------
Sef Kloninger
Veritas Software                        Stanford University
sef@veritas.com                         sef@cs.stanford.edu
Xref: sparky ba.sports:484 ba.market.misc:6504
From: mgm@clipper.ingr.com (Mike Marfell)
Newsgroups: ba.sports,apd.forsale,ba.market.misc
Subject: Re: A's Tix Forsale @ $4223 ea. Not Bad! >>>Sold<<<
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:41:16 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA


   The Tix were sold. Thanks to everyone who called!

                                             -Mike

        PS: The real price was $24 for the pair.                                             

-- 

Mike Marfell                                      mgm@clipper.ingr.com
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ba.sports
Subject: Re: Frank Jordan strikes again
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:40:10 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <71677@apple.Apple.COM> chuq@Apple.COM (Chuq Von Rospach) writes:
>snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>
>>Bottom line: we do have a team.
>
>And we used to have two. 

More importantly, for some, we used to have a National league team.  Not
only are Giants fans losing a team, but every bay area fan of other National
League teams is losing the chance to go see their team play.
-- 
+============================================================================++
| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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