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From: hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen)
Subject: Re: Finnish inferiority complex? (Was: Karelians...)
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 06:08:05 GMT

hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:

>(Jonne Henrikki Kolima) writes:
 <Text in Finnish deleted.>

>Translation:
>BTW Jari and other Finns, whence this sense of inferiority that radiates 
>from almost every posting?  Ryyti, of course, is an exception, a brainless 
>amoeba can't feel inderior, but in my opinion it's incomprehensible how 
>people can regard themselves as that much inferior  to Swedes + other 
>Nordics + an occasional Yank.

>Comment:
>That's exactly what I find disturbing, too!  A couple of months ago I 
>posted an article here about some encounters I had had with Finns who either 
>fawned over Finlandssvenskar as being 'fint folk' or else got belligerent 
>because they felt looked down upon by Finlandssvenskar.

>Ther's more to it than this, though.  I suspect that are a lot of 
>Finlandssvenskar who feel inferior to 'real' Rikssvenskar, too.  So are we 
>dealing with  a legacy of Finland's "colonial past"?

I blame the education. And television too! (-:

The impression of the inferiority complex to Finns starts in early
childhood, when every original thing the child does is countered with:
"Don't do that, think what the neighbours say!" It continues in
schools with their "education to internationalism" in which Finnish
children are taught to despise anything Finnish, and the last touch is
given by Finnish government TV with its "We must stop being rednecks
and we must become Europeans" propaganda.


>On the other hand, I 
>know of no Finn (of either linguistic persuasion) who feels inferior to a 
>Russian!  What's going on here?  

One Finn is better than ten Russians. Every Finn knows that.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: larsent@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LARSEN  TORE HOIVAAG)
Subject: Re: NORDEN > SCANDINAVIA
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:14:25 GMT

kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes) writes:


>TF>   But there really are striking similarities between Japanese and
>TF> Swedish, in lots of little things.

>Did you know that Portugese, Irish-Gaelic and the Norwegian spoken
>in western Norway share the word "Ke" (spelled differently though),
>all places meaning "What".

 Ka?

 Tore:-)

>Isn't *that* interresting?

>Kjetil Lenes

>>XBoard 1.0 #173> Internet: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no
From: enasby@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Norwegian whalers have the right to live!
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:12:43 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University


>>   Or US politicians who are looking for an Environmental Issue, who
>>   gratefully jump onto the save-the-whale bandwagon instead of
>>   tackling Real Environmental Issues, like the industrial pollution
>>   of the oceans which BTW is a much bigger threat to the (uh)
>>   threatened species of whale.
>>   It well and truly *Pisses* *Us* *Off*!!!!

> Well, if they try to do something with the industrial pollution
> they will have to look for another job after next voting for new
> candidates of the parliament:-) Maybe they even loose their 'job'
> even earlier, or they get an offer they can't resist.
>   It is so much easier to attack a third part which even is a big
> help to the Russian government. Anti-whaling means huge coast
> areas with no population on the norwegian coast, and therefor
> noone to report foreign submarines and othe navy traffic (both
> KGB and CIA and the US marine will have much easier times in the
> north area when there is noone living along the norwegian coast!
> 
>>
>>Well it's time to get off the soap box and get to work. :-)
>>
>>Thank you for your time!
>>

OK, OK let me reiterate what I kind of implied in my last message.  
Silly me, I thought that it could have been sarcasm, could have been 
that zany Norwegian sense of humor, but no.  It is now painfully 
obvious that indeed the entire furor (sarcasm) was drummed up by the 
CIA and the military establishment (in cahoots with the KGB) who want
to depopulate the Norwegian coasts in order to play secret Water polo 
tournaments away from the prying eyes of the international press.  
Thanks for opening my eyes to this international anti-Norsk 
conspiracy.  I think it also might be linked to the on-going CIA 
cover-up of the assassination of John Lennon, who just got too close 
to the painful truth and couldn't keep quiet.

Please don't make me do this again.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Karelians the palestinians of the north
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:54:48 GMT

Tapani Hietaniemi (thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi) wrote:
: In article <RIIALI.93Jan22122124@kaisa.it.lut.fi>, riiali@lut.fi (Beke) writes:
: > In article <1993Jan21.182522.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi 
: (Tapani Hietaniemi) writes:
: > 
: > Didn`t Finnish goverment state two years ago that most parts of Paris 
: > peace treaty (1947) are no more valid. All military resrictions (except
: > nukes) was dropped. So that treaty is not anymore holy.
: 
: Oh god, not the MOST parts, the minor (rather unimportant) parts you 
: mentioned. Still, we should keep the rest holy, according to my opinion.
: Because of two reasons:
: 
: (1) There is no possibility whatsoever to negotiate a new peace treaty
:     with Russia that would include the returning of Karelia.

Everything is possible. Even the independence of Estonia. The russians
have experience of negotiating of the borders with Finland:-
It would be nothing new in Russo-Finnish history.


: 
: (2) If the government of Finland started demanding a new peace treaty,
:     it might be fatal for our security interests in the very near future.
: 

Which way? The russians are going to reconstruct with the help of
a finnish company a military base and village in Ala-Kurtti, former
finnish Salla-area. Is it not a threat for the security?

: Fortunately, I can't imagine any forthcoming Finnish government demanding
: that. Of course, it's a free country (after two generations of succesful
: Realpolitik) and any individual can claim anything, even the annexation of
: Siberia to Finland.
: 
The Federation of Karelia has already demanded negotiations.There is even
on russian side a movement which demands Russia to give back these
former finnish areas. Its name is also something like Federation of
Karelia but is in russian side.

It is normal that finnish governement keeps a low profile.When Estonia 
was in troubles recently finnish governement and president just spoke
like old SU still existed, with old jargon.

If the things remain as they are now we  accept that violence is
justified to change borders.

The same argument the estonians use of Petseri and Narva-areas which
they demand back.
regards,
jr
From: rajat@carson.u.washington.edu (Rajat Singh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: FEEBLE LINGUISTIC JOKE
Date: 25 Jan 1993 04:59:52 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <5002.312.uupcb@thcave.no> kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes) writes:
>
>KC> >Did you know that Portugese, Irish-Gaelic and the Norwegian spoken
>KC> >in western Norway share the word "Ke" (spelled differently though),
>KC> >all places meaning "What".
>
>KC> I suppose it's a celtic word, and the Norwegians learned it from som
>KC> of their raids on Ireland,
>
>Sorry. The facts are correct, but I do not think there is any
>correlation. The posting was humourously meant.
>
>B.t.w. I think the only Gaelic word to come directly from Ireland
>is the man's name Kjartan, Cieran in Irish. Other words came via
>latin. But there was some words passed the other way.
>
>Kjetil
>

In Hindi ( a language that has its roots in Sanskrit) "what" is translated as
"Kya". So probably this word comes from sanskrit.

..RKS..

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: cmiy565@chpc.utexas.edu (Dean)
Subject: Re: NORDEN > SCANDINAVIA
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 06:18:07 GMT

In article <4915.312.uupcb@thcave.no> kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes) writes:
>
>TF>   But there really are striking similarities between Japanese and
>TF> Swedish, in lots of little things.
>
>Did you know that Portugese, Irish-Gaelic and the Norwegian spoken
>in western Norway share the word "Ke" (spelled differently though),
>all places meaning "What".
>
>Isn't *that* interresting?
>
>Kjetil Lenes
>
>

There are quite a lot more similarities than just that one word, actually. 
Though crossing a large linguistic group (or artificial categorization of such)
in Celtic - Germanic - Latin language families, all are coastal and 
not greatly separated geographically. The Swedish-Japanese thing is
what is called false induction, however.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: Karelians the palestinians of the north
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:52:45 GMT

JARI SEDERGREN (COMM) (sedergre@valt.Helsinki.FI) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan26.072354.14990@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
: 	- intelligence operations in Salla (against Finnish orders)
: 
: It was true Finland announced that Finland is in war, Finland did not
: declare war. PM  J. Rangell did not mention anything about neutrality in
: his speech to Finnish Parliament 25th of June. It was decided in
: Parliament that Finland was in war. At present were 101 MP's from 200.
: 
: Is Mr. Ryyti saying that these were different Germans who were bombing
: in Middle-Europe compared to Germans who bombed from Finnish territory?
: By the way, Soviet Union lost more lives trying to bomb those 15 towns in 
: Finland than people of those towns! Our luck!

Thanks for the information. Germany used Finland as a base towards Russia.
Sure. The goal of the Finnish Army was to get back those areas occupied 1939-40
by Russia. Therefore Finland made a treaty of a cooperation with
Germany. What I personally do not like is that the Finnish Army crossed
the old Finnish-Russian border.  Unfortunately Finnish Army went over
to the wrong side of the border and became an attacking army. Very bad. 
jr

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: janeric@control.lth.se (Jan Eric Larsson)
Subject: Re: Finnish inferiority complex? (Was: Karelians...)
Originator: janeric@bellman
Organization: Dept. Automatic Control, Lund Inst. of Technology, Sweden
	<sedergre.34@valt.Helsinki.FI> <1993Jan22.111114.28797@jyu.fi>
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:54:39



Jonne "Jari" Kolima writes:

>Sorry, I don't send E-mail to dickheads...
>And I'll write the name 'Jari' in any kind of pure shit I want...

I'm sure you have something better than this to do with your life.
Please leave the net, and the world will become a happier place.

Jan Eric Larsson                  JanEric@Control.LTH.Se      +46 46 108795
Department of Automatic Control
Lund Institute of Technology     "We watched the thermocouples dance to the
Box 118, S-221 00 LUND, Sweden    spirited tunes of a high frequency band."

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: bohn@ptolemy2.rdrc.rpi.edu (Jan Helge Bhn)
Subject: GIF/raster image of Norway
Reply-To: bohn@rdrc.rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:47:04 GMT

Does anyone have any GIF or raster images of Norway, either as
maps or satellite images?  In particular, I would be interested
in a source of the current weather in Norway.

Jan Helge Bohn
bohn@rpi.edu
From: d89-jsp@nada.kth.se (Jan Sparrendahl)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: S|rstr|mming P.U.!
Date: 27 Jan 93 11:03:12 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <lmbdvoINNogo@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, staffan@chivas.Eng.Sun.COM 
|>(Staffan Liljegren) writes:
|> In article HEt@boi.hp.com, smyers@boi.hp.com (steven myers) writes:
|> >  I honestly thought
|> >that a sewer main had broken somewhere.  The closest thing that I can think
|> >of to compare with the stench is to take a freshly soiled diaper

The smell is the one of vdtesulfid (8bit ASCII) or v{tesulfid (7bit ASCII) 
whatever that is in english, Hydrogen Sufide i presume. I wonder if it actually
is vdtesulfid in them or if it's just a similar smell. Vdtesulfid is
formed in some fermentation process in suage due to lack of oxygen if I 
remember correctly. 
								Arthur
|> >Steve Myers
|> >
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti)
Subject: Re: The Swedenfinns are worried about their language
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:22:12 GMT

Henrik Jonsson (d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan27.104331.21641@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
: >Henrik Jonsson (d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se) wrote:
: >: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
: 
: But to counter-attack mr. Ryyti I'd like to point out that the 320 000
: Finnish speaking people in Sweden Jarmo mentions is in Sweden calculated
: like this:
: 
: Mr. and Mrs. Mouroj{rvi immigrates to Sweden in 1850. Then the population
: finnish speaking people in Sweden increases with two. 20 years later
: their two daughters marries two handsome swedish gents. When these two
: families, 20 years later , attends their childrens wedding, these children
: are still called finnish immigrants eventhough their parents or themselves
: maybe never even set foot in Finland. This continues...
: 
: Because of this, a 5th generation finnish speaking person is called
: an immigrant in Sweden. Since the schools in Sweden learn the 5th 
: generation child to speak finnish this child is called finnish speaking
: EVENTHOUGH his family name might be 'Luigi-Svensson' . This actually
: means that if a Finn and an Italian marries and have one (1) child
: this child is counted as a Finn/Italian immigrant.

Well the Finns of Sweden want to be recognized as an official minority
with finnish as an official minority language of Sweden. It is 
interesting that Sweden has not undersigned The Treaty of Protecting
Lingual Minorities unlike, I think the most member-states of Council
of Europe. May be some one has better information if Sweden is alone
in this and the reasons why Swedish governement does not undersign
the Treaty.

I am not very much interested in whether in byreucratical terms someone
is considered as an immigrant after some generations or not but more
the motives behind Swedish governement and Swedish policy. 

Has someone an inside information in this question. I think it may interst
even a larger audience. Od course someone start again arguing that
this does not belong to a soc. culture. nordic., but soc.culture. human rights.
But still may be too curious,

jarmo ryyti

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: nareid@due.unit.no (Helge Nareid)
Subject: Re: Metric again... (Was: 8-bit news (was Re: Commodore keyboard ...))
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 18:43:44 GMT

In article <STEINARB.93Jan20184332@villtind.idt.unit.no> steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang) writes:
>> In article <C157D5.G1F@panix.com> of soc.culture.nordic,
>>   jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes:
>
>>> Elsewhere, it may be an abbreviation for a metric or local mile of
>>> some sort, being 10,000 or 8,000 or however many meters.
>
>>>>>> To which, hpa@merle.acns.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP) writes:
>
>> In Sweden, in Swedish, 1 mil (pronounced like the English word "meal")
>> = 10 km = 10,000 m.
>
>Hrrm,... this is *not* a Swedish "mil"! It's a bleedin' *Norwegian*
>"mil"! (of all the bloody gall...! :-)
>
>- Steinar

Well, I had to go to my library in order to check this one out :

"Reduktionstabeller for Norsk og Metrisk Maal og Vaegt"
udgivet ved den Polytekniske Forening, Christiania 1867

says on page 22 :

"1 Mil = 18000 Alen = 36000 Fod"

And on page 11 :

"1000 Mile = 1129.473 Myriameter"

As everyone should know the metric prefix "myria" means 10 to
the fourth, and the myriameter is commonly called a "mil" in
all Scandinavian countries. But the original Norwegian "mil"
was 11.29473 km - I don't know what the original non-metric
"mil" was in Denmark and Sweden.

As a footnote (pun intended), the above shows that the Norwegian foot
is 31.7425 cm and should not be confused with the inferior
English foot which is no longer than 30.48 cm.

- Helge Nareid
From: sizex@bnr.co.uk (Eric Barber)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: archaeology and the law
Date: 27 Jan 93 09:09:07 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, London Road, Harlow, England.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.199.202.49

My wife has a semester project on archaeology and the law.
She is especially interested in the law on treasure trove.
Does anyone have any information on similarities between
British and other laws on treasure trove, or perhaps the
consequences of not having any? For "other" read Scandinavian,
Dutch, Irish, countries with legal systems evolved from the
British. Canadian would be especially interesting since the
law on treasure trove has been recently changed (from the
British model to something more suitable to Canadian
circumstances?).

please email me, and thanks.
Eric
   _    "just a Texan a long way from home"
 _| ~-. Eric Barber, BNR Europe Limited, London Road, Harlow, England CM17 9NA
 \, *_} AT&T/BT/etc. +44 279 403527/429531 x 3527, ESN (NT/BNR) 6 742 3527
   \(   DISCLAIMER:  Working at, not speaking for, BNR  | Eric.Barber@bnr.co.uk
From: d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Jonsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Karelians the palestinians of the north
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:44:53 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

joheko@jyu.fi (Jonne Henrikki Kolima) writes:

>In article <sedergre.29@valt.Helsinki.FI> sedergre@valt.Helsinki.FI (JARI SEDERGREN (COMM)) writes:

>	
>	Well, actually the SU did declare war to Finland before we had a 
>	chance to declare war to them.  The Soviets even bombed some
>	of our cities before any Finnish military activity (you really
>	can't take in consideration the fact that we had half a million
>	soldiers posted along the eastern border ;) ).  

Yeah!! Sure thing:)

I'd like to see Finland declaring war to SU...
Then they had probably never occupied Finland and they
would most surtainly surrender their arms and equipment
instantly. :)

- Henrik Jonsson d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se
From: staffan@chivas.Eng.Sun.COM (Staffan Liljegren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: S|rstr|mming P.U.!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:15:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: staffan@chivas.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: chivas

In article HEt@boi.hp.com, smyers@boi.hp.com (steven myers) writes:
>	Yes, while in Pite{ Sweden I had the displeasure of approaching a
>house where they had just opened a can of the junk.  I honestly thought
>that a sewer main had broken somewhere.  The closest thing that I can think
>of to compare with the stench is to take a freshly soiled diaper and
>actually wrap it around your face and inhale deeply.  Not as bad, but
>getting there. :)
>
>Steve Myers
>

Well here's a person born in that lovely town You visited who agrees 100 % with
Your opinion about Surstr|mming (the first vowel is "u" not "|"). And imagine
what I had to experience as a kid; my folks would invite a band of lunatics, to enjoy
"surstr|mming" and "snaps" and the next day I couldn't have breadkfast as everything
in the fridge tasted "freshly soiled diaper". Not pleasant at all ! And my folks even had
the guts to have several surstr|mming parties, around the official date (in September I believe).
I will never forgive them for leaving such scars on my olfactory faculties, it should be 
classified as a fellony :-)

Luckily I survived, and I even tasted (with my nose hermetically closed) the stuff. And...
Nothing ! I tastes nothing ! Can You believe that. People suffer the indescribable stench
in order to be rewarded with a non-taste ? Incredible !

Anyhow what brought You to Pite} in the first place ?

/Staffan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: 100 secrets about nude beaches
From: engan@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 23 Jan 93 17:07:27 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1993Jan22.201825.2522@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, c_snet@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> Hello folks!!!!!
> I'm a exchange-student living in Nacogdoches/Texas and I wonder  
> if anybody can tell me how to find E-mail adresses to teacher-schools
> or "H0YSKOLER" in Norway. I just neeeeeeed to get the adress to
> Alta Laerer-Hoyskole!!! If you have any good jokes about Sweeds you are
> also welcome to write me, or if you are a exchange-student, or if you
> have anything at all you want to share with me, write me!!!!
> :-)
>
What's this, jokes about Swedes. You must mean jokes about Norwegians.
Like : - Do you know how to destroy a Norwegian submarine?
       - No.
       - Just dive down to it and knock on the door...

Ha' det!
Tomas.
> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: rhtfest@cs.vu.nl (Festen RHT)
Subject: Re: NORWEGIAN WHALERS HAV
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:26:43 GMT

kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes) writes about me:

: This is one of those "militant vegetarians" I wrote about. Please
: answer Mr. Festen (is that your name?): Why is a whale more
: important than a
: a) seal
: b) shark
: c) cod
: d) mackerell
: e) seagull
: f) cow
: g) cat
: h) mouse
: e) Staphylococcus Aureus

they
a) don't produce coats
b) don't star in movies
c+d) are bigger
e) don't sh*t on your head
f) don't give chocolate milk
g) don't hang in the curtains
h) are too big for mouse-traps
i) don't cause desease?

BTW. I am everything BUT a vegetarian. I AM militant, though.


:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) 

There's a serious follow-up elsewhere!

-- 
~~~~~~~~RHT Festen, Amsterdam, The Netherlands~~~~~~~~~rhtfest@cs.vu.nl~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: t88swa@tdb.uu.se (Sven Wallman)
Subject: Re: Finnish inferiority complex? (Was: Karelians...)
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:00:24 GMT

Jarmo Ryyti (ryyti@jyu.fi) wrote:
: I am VERY PROUD of being in a news-group which is so full of intelligent
: and smart persons! An veeery happy about that! 
: 
: And I am VERY PROUD of an achievent, I have got some
: life in this boring swedish-norwegian-danish discussion group...

I bet Cedar Argic, your revisionist fishist friend, is proud of bringing some
life into the boring soc.culture.europe discussion group...
--
Sven Wallman, S:t Larsg. 20, 753 11 Uppsala, Sweden, +46 1812 9237
"I think, therefore I'm right."-Hugo Rune
From: d9goran@dtek.chalmers.se (Goran Svensson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Karelians the palestinians of the north
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:13:44 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University Of Technology

In article <1993Jan22.063444.12141@jyu.fi> ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>Goran Svensson (d9goran@dtek.chalmers.se) wrote:
>: ryyti@jyu.fi (Jarmo Ryyti) writes:
>: 
>: I do hope that your finnish is better than your english...
>: 
>:                            //G|ran
>
>So there is going on a  contest who knows best english?
>I did not know that this news-group is for that. Sorry.
>Which is your ppositon in the contest?
               ^^^^^^^^
>jr

I will be your opponent Jarmo. It seems not to be very difficult to
be better than a moron like you.

                                 //G|ran
--
 "A true friend always stabs you in the front" - Oscar Wilde
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