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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Republicans
Date: 19 Aug 1992 16:11:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug19.225130.19124@morrow.stanford.edu> 
AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark) writes:

>  All the more reason.  When I get junk mail from the fundies
>  or the Republicans (same thing), I stuff the return envelope
>  full of what they sent me (minus my name and address) and
>  drop it in the mailbox.  They pay for it.

That reminds me of what we did to Anita Bryant and to the Prop 6 
(it was 6, wasn't it?) campaign people in California in 1978.
We'd put rolls of pennies into the return envelopes -- so they'd
pay a dollar for a fifty cent contribution.  Or we'd put rocks
in the envelopes.  A friend of mine taped a couple of the return 
envelopes onto *bricks* and dropped them in the mail.  Yes, the 
bricks were delivered.  No, they couldn't refuse to pay the postage.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 00:36:42 GMT

Naz Reyes writes some stuff on not fitting the general stereotype of
East Asian gay men. Randy Clark:

>        Naz has taken heat on this statement as sounding
>        either egotistical or down on drag queens (or both).
>
>        I didn't read it that way at all, but rather as a
>        comment on how many gayfolk -- particularly those
>        who like to chase East Asian men (of whom I know a
>        fair sampling) -- look at their potential objects
>        of affection.

That's how I read it as well. 

Let's leave aside for the moment the poor wording of the original post
(and an incredibly obnoxious and homophobic response from Seattle). I
agree with Naz and Randy that (non-East Asian) gay men who like East
Asian men tend to be attracted to those who fit the stereotypes.

I know there are exceptions, of course. Like when you cut your hair
short enough and look mean enough, sooner or later somebody's going
to come up and mumble about "Mishima fantasies"...

Bill
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Date: 21 Aug 1992 14:34:21 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <71493@apple.Apple.COM> 
mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon), a sweet little
boy whose grasp of the language is not quite what
one would wish, writes:

> I voted for Reagan, and would have done so again.

Ah, I see.

> I voted for Bush, and most certainly will not do so again.  

Bush is worse than Reagan?

> (I do *like* Cheney, and Colin Powell - but he probably doesn't count
> as a member of either political party, they should be so lucky...).

Ah, yes, I see.

> Anyway, the Constitutional Amendment surprised me quite a bit.  I
> am generally against abortion, but greatly prefer it kept at the 
> State level.

Mmmmm.

> I prefer most everything kept at the State level.  

Mmmmm.

> And while I agree with Quayle's attack on the 'Cultural Elite' 

Somehow I just *knew* you would, which makes me wonder just how
many Queer Nation meetings you've been to that you know what
kind of snaps I meant.

>      - I doubt
> it was his original conception.  I am *not* in the 11%.

No, I don't think Dan's bright enough to have come up with that
all by himself.  Glad to know you're not one of his fans.

> The Republican party is really the Republican Steering Committee.  With
> their first reasonably credible candidate in half a century, maybe
> a donkey will occupy the White House come 1993.

A *donkey*!  These kids....

Arne, still puzzled at the vitriol in general but not in this
specific case
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Powell's Bookstore
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:18:38 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug13.102101.22781@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> In article <1992Aug13.085606.5274@quantime.co.uk>
> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
> >If I can't get it in my mouth, it's unfeasibly large.
> 
> Beloved, you do *not* expect us, I hope, to believe
> that 8that* mouth has met its match. :-)
      [^^^^^ whut kinduva smiley is this? ;_0]

Once, only once.  And he was straight.

And I rep^H^H^Hresent that crack about my mouth.
Anyone can see how sweet and innocent I am
by looking at my .gif from the motss.pix archive.
[And, in case anyone's wondering,
I was looking at Gerrit Huizenga (there now, you're famous)
when the photo was taken.]
                             _
Fed up to the back teeth, :-(_)
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"pooter, n. an entomological collecting bottle into which small
arthropods are introduced by suction." -- Chambers English Dictionary
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: clc@big-brother.nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb)
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Organization: UCCSNCS
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 21:26:03 GMT

David Christopher Rogers <drogers@riacs.edu> writes:
>
>At least in the old days the king had to duck spears in the field with
>the rest of them.  We should be so lucky. 

Why should we be so lucky?

--clc

---
Chris L. Cobb -- clc@nevada.edu -- Stealth Bear -- B0 f t+ w c+ g k+ s++ p
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 18 Aug 1992 17:59:45 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

Ever one to flog dead horses, provided they're not
crossposted dead horses, I once again venture into the fray.

In article <1992Aug18.185239.7284@macc.wisc.edu> 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> In article <l928ovINNe3n@mizar.usc.edu>
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

> >And I haven't noticed *your* introduction, Jess, dear.
>
> Not needed, sent in private rather a long time back.

Oh, but Jess, you didn't read the rules carefully.  Lovegod
wants everyone here (and I do hope he meant the people who
post in soc.motss, not everyone who reads soc.motss) to *post*
a c.v., or biographical essay, or *something* to introduce
themselves to everyone else.  Of course I'd be willing to play 
along and post one for myself, but I think you know me well 
enough by now to know what I'd do.  Actually, what I started to 
do.  I conflated thumbnail bios of J. Edgar Hoover and Gloria 
Swanson.  It was *faaaaabulous*, too, but probably way over
Lovegod's head.

But wait.  You wrote that you sent your introductory bio in
private a long time back.  Do you send your bio to all new
subscribers to motss?  How come *I* never got one?  <Pout>

Arne
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Flanders & Swan; Was: Anna Russell: I Gave My Love A Cherry
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:32:04 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug15.023910.13919@kpc.com>,
sleat@kpc.com (Michael Sleator) writes:
> There are other good lines, such as when Francis (the reluctant
> cannibal) says, "I'll never let another man past my lips!"
> 
> I was quite naive when I first heard this stuff, so all of the
> possible interpretations didn't sink in.  (Because I wouldn't let
> them.  Naw, they couldn't *really* mean *that*.)  Now it occurs to me
> to wonder if perhaps Flanders and Swan might have been an item off
> stage as well as on.

I was always rather worried by the lines,
from the Young Person's Guide to Britten,
which referred to the success of one of Britten's works
as having made "bundles for Britten, and piles for Pears".

But I suppose a joke like that doesn't rule out their being family.
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"poot, (Scot.) v.i. to shoot at young partridges or young grouse."
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Guy at Sun who got fired for nasty postings
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:08:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: bbx.82
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Aug13.161432.17060@ntmtv> jazanopa@ntmtv.UUCP (Patricia Jazanoski) writes:
>                                     I've known several people who have
>worked for EDS (and have all quit) and his company is the worst at
>limiting the control/"rights" of  employees:
>They tell you what to wear (matched suit, dark colors only) censor 
>people's conversations (any discussion of salary resulted in immediate 
>termination)...

Interesting.  I used to work for a company that forbade employees from
discussing salary.  They had to drop that little rule when they found
out it was illegal to do so.  Apparently, that could be interpreted
as an attempt to prevent unionization.  (So I was told.)


-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
From: olga@lars.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (St. Olaf Lesbian and Gay Alliance)
Subject: OLGA the Olaf LesBian and Gay Alliance
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:20:58 GMT

OLGA (the Olaf Lesbian bisexual and Gay Alliance) now has access to an email
(UNIX) account.  We're asking that if any of you in the g,b,l community out 
there have any interesting tibits of news from your campus that you would like 
to share with us that you please drop a note to olga@acc.stolaf.
This information could include anything (good or bad) going on in your
individual community or something of general interest to all of the gbl 
community.  We here at OLGA are very interested in trying to connect ourselves
to other schools and their communities (or lack there of).  So, please
make yourselves known and drop us a note.  Let us know what's up in other areas
of the country. Also we'd love to hear what kind of things any alliance that 
you belong does to heighten the quality of life for gbl students on your
campus. Also, please fill us in on how your organizations works and let us know
if you don't have one...perhaps we have some ideas for you! We also  feel that
this is a good way to get direct correspondence with other communities around
the country.
A little about OLGA...We are a four year old organizations started by students
to try and heighten the awareness of gay rights and to try and better the 
quality of life for gbl students here at St. Olaf College in Northfield, MN.
We hold closed and open meetings throughout the school year and hold several
different all campus events, including an entire week dedicated to OLGA. At the
close of the 91-92 school year our student mailing list was 90 students long 
including several straight and several non- straight students. We aim to try
and better life for all gay, bi, and lesbian people in some way or another.

Thanks and please do contact us!
The members of OLGA for 1992-1993

(gay bashing will not be tolerated and can be punishable by law!)


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Sarcasm
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 10:33:11 GMT


In article <1992Aug17.220723.12024@tandon.com>
tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett) writes:

>In article <14509@borg.cs.unc.edu> harris@bodie.cs.unc.edu
>(Trey Harris) writes:

>>This is always the way, isn't it?  Every lesbigay I know is at one
>>extreme or the other on sarcasm.  I, like many of my friends, view
>>sarcasm as a high art form.  Yet, some (less I believe than the other
>>group) never get sarcasm, period.

>I would thank you to keep your bigotted
>remarks to yourself.  

Are you so sure you're using the word "bigot" correctly?  I
don't think you are.  It's too important an idea to get
trivialized with the notion of "sarcasm bigot."

>We are all not grouped together at any
>extreme of the "scale" like a bunch of scared children or
>rats.  We come in all shapes, forms, and colors, so why
>wouldn't we have varied levels of sarcasm...

Do you suppose he'd deny that?  He said, "everyone I know."

-- 
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: seeking info on Imlac Composer
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:08:49 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug20.123227.20050@cs.cornell.edu>
davis@cs.cornell.edu (Jim Davis) gets my vote for the
nuttiest cross-posting list of the year.  He or she writes:

>Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball,soc.motss,comp.periphs.printers,comp.fonts

Now is that way cool or what?  Since this comes from a
Computer Science department (Cornell), I wonder if it's a
newsgroup cross-posting AI gone awry.

>I post on behalf of a firm trying to defeat an attempt to
>patent software horizontal scrolling!  I seek information on
>a late 70's system called the Imlac Composer.

I mean, spike that gay scroller sideways over the net in
tuneful boldface, honey!  Queerest thing I ever heard of.

(Note well, Nelson, only software can be queer without being
 gay, lesbian, or bi. :-)

>(Imlac, a company in Newton, made a strange minicomputer
>whose archicture resembled the PDP-8 plus a vector graphics
>display.

I got it, I got it!  Composer was a spin-off from sideways
scrolling infant formula, the company's main business.

>The main product, the Composer, was an early electronic
>typesetting machine

Or plastic pouches for baby bottles.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Powell's Bookstore
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:51:10 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA

In article <1992Aug8.142948.4458@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

><> Annual drug deaths: tobacco: 395,000, alcohol: 125,000,
><> 'legal' drugs: 38,000, illegal drug overdoses: 5,200,
><> marijuana: 0.  Considering government subsidies of tobacco,
><> just what is our government protecting us from in the drug
><> war?  -- williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM

Ink.  It's obvious.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Bisexual just means you pay for it."
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Rock Hudson
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 20:30:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.055418.9059@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>I have to agree here, although I'm getting past draft age I still find
>the idea of the older generation enslaving the younger disgusting to say
>the least.
>Lets see the people proposing this make it apply to there age range
>as well.

OK, I will: as an alternative to military service, three or six months
every five years from age 18 to 65.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: news from colorado
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:28:50 GMT

katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:

>I just heard on the news last night that in a poll asking about
>amendment 2 here (that's the anti-gay one), the response was:

>Against 56%
>For     38%

>Hooray!!! 
This is really cool news! Does anyone know if there is a similar poll being
done in oregon? The NYT was reporting on Sunday that the measure was
``considered by experts likely to pass''.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Dick--my bottom hurts just thinking about it!" - MADONNA, _Dick Tracy_ sndtrck
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 19 Aug 1992 10:39:25 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug19.135206.9630@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> 
ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
> In article <1992Aug18.004052.7753@spdcc.com> 
> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> >It's not Cl*t*n, it's the "After the Ball" gang.  Gack.
> >Of course he's "masculine"; he's clueless.  Isn't that the same thing?
>
> In his case, most definitely.  I wrote a reply to his dribble, and then
> dumped it in the bit bucket, figuring that with his head that far in
> the sand, he wouldn't be able to hear it, and anybody else that was that
> clueless was probably down there with him.

He's started to send me 100-200 page letters in which he
repeats and repeats and repeats his mantra (straight good, 
fag bad, macho good, fem bad, straight good, fag bad...).
Oh, and he's decided that I proved his point (you know, how
fem gays feel inferior to masculine gays, blah blah blah).
Was I singled out for this torture, or is he favoring
others with his attention?

I think Jess's suggestion for how to handle this is a good
one.  Anyone care to start the ball rolling?

Arne


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice)
Subject: Re: Anti-discrimination clauses at work
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:23:36 GMT

Yesterday I found out that Cincinnati Bell Information Systems 
(CBIS) has a non-discrimination policy that includes sexual 
orientation, similar to AT&T's policy.  However, CBIS' parent
company, Cincinnati Bell Telephone (CBT), does not.

That may change.  It turns out that my source of this information,
an employee of CBIS, was asked to be interviewed for an article
in the _Cincinnati_Business_Courier_, and through a chain of events,
the reporter got in touch with the HR departments of both companies
and discovered the disparity.  

The two companies, headquartered only blocks away from each other,
got together to figure out what to do about it.  According to my
source, CBT wanted its subsidiary, CBIS, to remove the clause.  
But it looks like CBIS might prevail and get CBT to rewrite *their*
policies instead.

This all seems to be in the wake of the Human Rights Ordinance 
hearing I reported on a few weeks ago, as the reporter for the 
_Courier_ was writing a story about the impact of the HRO on 
local businesses (Peale, Cliff, "Gay Rights, Business Necessity,"
_Cincinnati_Business_Courier, Vol 9, No. 14, August 17-23, 1992).

Watch this space for future updates.  The opposition wants to make
an amendment to the City Charter that will, in essence, legalize 
discrimination against lesbians and gays in Cincinnati. 

Roger Crice
AT&T Network Services Division
Cincinnati, OH
From: black@sybase.com (Christina Black)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Clinton Enthusiasm Deficieny -- at last, a cure!
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:24:55 GMT
Distribution: usa

This list is not meant to persuade Bush supporters or those who remain
undecided.  It's for people suffering from CED, Clinton Enthusiasm
Deficiency -- people who are (probably) going to vote for Clinton, but
"just can't get excited" about his candidacy.

5 reasons to be for Bill Clinton, not just against George Bush, if
you're leftist, liberal, progressive, gay, feminist, or a woman:

1.  Clinton will sign the Freedom of Choice Act.

2.  Clinton has pledged an end to anti-gay and anti-lesbian discrimination
in the military.

3.  Clinton has a staffer to whom he's reasonably close who is a gay man
with AIDS.

4.  Clinton will appoint qualified liberals to the Supreme Court instead
of unqualified reactionaries.  Blackmun will almost certainly not last 4
more years on the court;  he's the staunchest liberal on the court, and
if he's replaced with a conservative, we can kiss our rights good-bye.
Renquist, Stevens, and White are all old enough that it's possible that
they'll be replaced within the next 4 years.

5.  Wouldn't it be nice, for a change, to be lobbying a president who's
already got a decent basic program for some more progressive items,
instead of fighting tooth and nail for things that should go without
saying?  How much energy has the left spent on abortion rights in the
last 12 years that could have gone to a long list of other issues if we
had a president who supported abortion rights?  And the same goes in a
lot of other areas.

-- Chris
black@sybase.com
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the gay male voice
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:58:16 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

In <1992Aug13.193832.3623@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ted9e@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Edward Doyle) writes:

>Since my voice sounds a lot different on tape than it does to my ears
>coming from inside my head, I am really curious to hear someone
>describe in, not excrutiating, but at least passible good detail, said
>voice.

   I know exactly what you mean here.  I do a lot of acting, some of which
   is taped, and my voice on tape is not the voice I hear.  I can't stand
   to watch myself -- too damn critical, I guess.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: Introduction
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:13:15 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>[...]And I
>*really* don't know how the "fucking factions" that we apparently
>have too many of within ourselves has anything to do with my 
>response.  [...]

*HEY*!  Can I apply for a position in the "fucking faction"?

>I'm only a pretender to that throne.  But as soon as I've finished
>counting all the ballots, I believe I'll be able to claim the title
>that is mine by right: Motss Grand Faggot.

Got my vote!

jeff  - who appreciates the fact that this thread is lightening up a little
      (but with the same great taste as your regular post.  Thanks Arne).
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Gay Money and marriages in PA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:12:31 GMT

aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:

>On a side note, look for Anita's legacy to be lost forever later this year when
>Miami Beach passes a gay rights ordinance.  Also in Florida, Sharon McCracken,
>lesbian aids-activist, received her license yesterday to be a foster parent.
>She is the first out queer to receive such a license, and this move spells
>the beginning of the end of the state's anti-gay adoption law.  McCracken wants
>to share her home with children with HIV.

Well, this is interesting...How did they do this, if their state law says that
homosexuals CAN NOT be adoptive parents? The law hasn't changed YET, right?

So this is the test case?

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
 92 of the 400 richest Americans *inherited* their wealth. Source: _Details_.