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From: ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Can Mr. Eastwood really juggle 7 ping-pong-balls with his mouth?
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:55:08 GMT
Organization: Citizens for Boysenberry Jam Fans

In article <6_8ms0j.guardian@netcom.com> guardian@netcom.com (Andrew Denton) writes:

>       I personaly am curious if you saw that dickhead... err... Mr
> speed juggler himself Wally Dickwood.. err.. Eastwood do Dan's bounce
> juggling routine off a synyhesizer keyboard... Mind you this is stolen

Well, no, but I saw Dan do it on Showtime, and it was quite
impressive.

I also saw after the show, when all the performers were out on stage
and the credits were rolling, Penn Jillette off on one side of the
stage had borrowed three of Dan's balls and was playing juggler's
tennis.  I understand that Penn likes to upstage people (P&T's first
act was showing the world how trapdoors work ask a mockery of David
Copperfield) but I doubt many people in the audience were impressed
after the five-ball bouncing juggle off a keyboard.

Eric Olson <ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu>
From: tjj@rolf.Helsinki.FI (Timo Jokitalo)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Can Mr. Eastwood really juggle 7 ping-pong-balls with his mouth?
Date: 15 Aug 92 10:00:04 GMT
Reply-To: tjj@rolf.helsinki.fi (Timo Jokitalo)
Organization: Rolf Nevanlinna Institute, Helsinki University, Finland


Yesterday, I went to the amusement park and saw a juggler from Las Vegas,
"The world's fastest juggler", Wally Eastwood. (If I heard the name correctly
from then unclear announcement.) He did some really nice club-juggling, doing
doubles or triples or something which were only about a couple of feet high. 
Then he juggled 3 ping-pong-balls in his mouth, and the announcer said that
he is also able to do that with 7 balls! To me, this seems rather impossible -
perhaps the Finnish announcer, who clearly knew nothing at all, exaggerated 
a bit? Does anyone know?

	Timo
From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Berri Square Fire Show?
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:19:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: California State University, Sacramento


   I wish I had seen it closer; but I did notice that the diabolo had
been cut down (i.e., the outer rim had been trimmed back on at least
one, possibly both sides.).  My son picked up the piece of plastic that
the diabolist discarded after the sparkler ran out.  Want me to describe
the piece of plastic?
 
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From: pdm@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (peter d. mark)
Subject: Re: Juggling Four Bean Bags
Keywords: Bean Bags, four
Organization: /local/lib/rn/organization
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 04:58:50 GMT

In article <claypool.713999828@myria> claypool@myria.cs.umn.edu (Mark Claypool) writes:
>I recently bought three bean-bags and attacked juggling them with a
>vengeance.  After mastering this modest number, I'm ready to move on
>to four.
> 
>The Klutz book of juggling said something like "Learn to juggle two
>balls in one hand.  Do that with both hands.  Now you're juggling
>four.  At no time do the balls cross over."  This sounds like it would
>not be visually appealing; 

au contraire: done well it's quite appealing indeed.  note that 
naively there are 4 distinct patterns that all fit the above klutz
description:

first of all, we have the two possible trajectory types:

1. balls go in circles (well, parabolas, actually) 
2. balls go straight up and down in columns

also, the left and right hand tosses may be either

1. in sync (both hands toss at the  same time)
2. staggered (hands toss alternately).

actually, there are more possibilities than 4 since additionally
the circles could be inside to outside or vice versa, and the
columns/in-sync possibility may be thrown with the balls tossed
at one time step "interleaved" with the balls tossed on the
following time step, or completely spatially separated (i think
that's called "splits"); the latter is certainly more difficult.


>				is this the standard way to juggle four?

i suppose.  note however that there are even more ways than those
listed above: one can do a 5 3 (half-shower), a 7 1 (shower),
5 5 2 (i always thought this was a pretty one), a 5 5 5 1 (*great*
practice for building up to 5) and a 5 5 5 5 0 (i find this actually
*harder* than doing 5!).   6 3 3 lurks on my list of site-swaps to
try, but right now i'm too busy to seriously start working on it,
and when i do find the time to juggle i'm mainly working on just
plain old "5".


peter 
pdm@cs.uoregon.edu
(after september 1 use: pdmark@colby.edu)
From: kyle@wendy-fate.UU.NET (Kyle Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Rubber chickens and superballs, followup
Date: 13 Aug 1992 15:01:15 -0400
Organization: UUNET Communications
NNTP-Posting-Host: wendy-fate.uu.net

covin@tartarus.uchicago.edu (David Covin) writes:
 > I don't work for this company; I'm not even a satisfied
 > customer; I and my roommates were just intrigued by the idea
 > of a gross of superballs. :)

Yeah, I'm intrigued as well, The gag potential is enormous.
Imagine heaving 144 extremely bouncy rubber balls down a flight
of stairs.  Imagine the look on the face of a person turning the
corner and confronting this frenetic advancing horde of crazed
rubber.  Reminds me of Captain Kangaroo and the ping-pong
balls... :)

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From: jaffray@sunkist.berkeley.edu (Alan Jaffray)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling Four Bean Bags
Date: 17 Aug 1992 02:50:14 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunkist.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Bean Bags, four

In article <claypool.713999828@myria> claypool@myria.cs.umn.edu (Mark Claypool) writes:
> 
>The Klutz book of juggling said something like "Learn to juggle two
>balls in one hand.  Do that with both hands.  Now you're juggling
>four.  At no time do the balls cross over."  This sounds like it would
>not be visually appealing; is this the standard way to juggle four?

Yes.  However, just because the balls don't change hands doesn't mean that
the flight paths can't cross -- in an extreme case you could have each hand
tossing from the left of the pattern to the right, but still be doing two
in each hand.  Even if you aren't this extreme, I've found that non-jugglers
invariably think the balls are changing hands anyway.  Doing each hand with
outside circles, I even convinced a non-juggler I was doing a 5-ball pattern.
:-)

However, you're right, it isn't the most exciting thing in the world, and
IMHO the half-shower is much more interesting.  It doesn't look as hard,
though.  For me the difficulty level was about the same.

And as I posted before there are lots of nifty non-standard 4-ball patterns...
.
>Also, do you have any tips, incremental steps, warnings, drills, etc.
>for learning to juggle four bean bags?

My own suggestion would be to try it, and if it doesn't work fairly soon,
forget about it for a while and do some neat 3-ball stuff.  At least, that
worked for me.  I tried it for a few days, got frustrated (the final product
isn't inspirational enough), dropped it for several months, and when I tried
it again it suddenly worked.  You can get the necessary accuracy from 3-ball
tricks, and they're more fun.  It's not like 5 balls, where the nirvana of
keeping the pattern up for 20 seconds is enough to keep you going for 
weeks.  :-)

Oh yes, but make sure you do alternating throws, not synchronous.  It's
easier and looks better if you don't have the timing perfect.  Also, practice
2-in-1 with your left hand at every opportunity if it is weak (it was for me).
It's the sort of thing you can easily do while walking down a hall, etc.
Assuming you don't mind funny looks.

-- Alan
From: rick@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Fredrick Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: contact juggling : need more controversy??
Keywords: contact juggling, J.ernest
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:34:42 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Aug19.125240.8029@ncsu.edu> mohitb@eos.ncsu.edu (mohit bhatnagar) writes:
>
>1. What would be a good way to learn CJ (articles in Juggler's World,
>books, tapes, anything on the net etc.)
>

James Ernest's book.

>2. Is James Ernest's book good enough for a beginner to learn CJ?
>

Yes, that is exactly what it is for, and it does it very well.
I think it is priced appropriatly, and worth every penny if you
have a CJ interest.

BTW, MM got me interested in CJ too.  That'll teach him to go on TV. :-)



      Rick   Wilson             Rick Wilson       Cross-eyed STEREO
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     |    O         |         |     O        |    rick@sable.pen.tek.com
     |              |         |              |    Tektronix
     \    _     O   |         |\    _  O     |    Beaverton, Orygun
     |\  /      _   |         | \  /   _     |
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From: tjj@rolf.Helsinki.FI (Timo Jokitalo)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
Keywords: 'Beyond the Cascade' , unicycles, Helsinki
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:24:56 GMT
Reply-To: tjj@rolf.helsinki.fi (Timo Jokitalo)
Organization: Rolf Nevanlinna Institute, Helsinki University, Finland

In article <1992Aug10.205216.16350@reed.edu> celarier@reed.edu (Stuart Celarier) writes:
>Yes, you are missing a lot of interesting tricks without 'Beyond the  
>Cascade.'

Thanks for the comment! I think I'll go and do some mail orders tomorrow...

>
>Re: not getting a unicycle in Europe, I placed adds in the local *.forsale  
>newsgroups for UNICYCLE WANTED,...

A great idea! I'll try that too.

>Obviously your milage very  
>in Helsinki, Finnland.  How's the weather?

After the two cloudless and rainless months May and June, the weather
recently been rather a normal Finnish summer weather with
lots of clouds and rain, except for yesterday, when we had a surprisingly
hot day, almost the hottest one ever recorded. Wow!

	Timo
From: NAYLORD@QUCDN.QueensU.CA
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: 10 Ball Record - flash or juggle?
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:43:19 GMT
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston


 Last night I was looking at the 1992 Guiness Book of Records.
 I didn't learn anything new (about juggling records anyway),
 but I was puzzled by something:

 They list:
          8 clubs (flashed) - Anthony Gatto, 1989
          7 clubs (juggled) - Anthony Gatto and several others along
                              with dates I can't recall.

In these and some of the other listings they're very careful
to make the distinction between a flash and a true juggle
(# of catches >= # of objects x # hands) - although this is
not explained. In some cases, they even list the number of
catches (Why don't they always give the number of catches? That's
like saying who holds the 100 meter record in running and
then not giving the time. But I digress...) Then
when they give the 10 ball record, this is the listing:

          10 balls: Enrico Rastelli, Albert Lucas

Pretty lax, I'd say.  Is this a flash or a juggle?
Did both men get >=20 catches? Does anyone out there know
*_ *FOR SURE*_* ?  I would expect Lucas's record to be well
documented, but is Rastelli's?

  David Naylor,  Queen's Juggler
  Kingston, Ontario, Canada

 The person who recently posted that Michelle(?) Mills is
 3 years old need not respond. *:)
From: mooreb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: problems with sss
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:18:10 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Hello out there, 
	I don't know if anyone else is having any problems with YASSV
site swap scribe (sss) postscript hard copy juggling everything
wonderful etc. etc. etc... but I am. I downloaded it from piggy- er,
moocow, and I tar-ed it and then tried to uudecode it and it wouldn't
decode. Please let me know if I am doing anything wrong... (please
post it so everyonce can read!) 
							--Brian
-- 
: Brian Moore		        :
: University Computing Services :
: University of Kansas	        :     
: MOOREB@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU     :

--If God is love, and love is blind, why doesn't Ray Charles get more money for
  performing?
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: mathiega@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (G. A. Mathieson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: fun with sss
Keywords: yippeeeeeee
Date: 21 Aug 92 22:35:20 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of Canterbury, New Zealand


sss is a very good means of getting "intuitive" jugglers ie people who 
do not think numerically, but perhaps spatially, to learn site-swaps.
I found it easy to install and use.

Congrats to Yossarian King, for producing an adaptable program. 

Q. how can I stop the bottom edge of the printout from being lost?
I have moved the screen image up within the window, but this does 
not seem to change the print boundaries.

Q2. I thought 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 was a 4 ball pattern. 
Can anybody actually do it? 
GAM
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: yking@cs.ubc.ca (Yossarian Yggy King)
Subject: Re: fun with sss
Keywords: yippeeeeeee
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 23:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.103520.458@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> mathiega@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (G. A. Mathieson) writes:
>
>sss is a very good means of getting "intuitive" jugglers ie people who 
>do not think numerically, but perhaps spatially, to learn site-swaps.
>I found it easy to install and use.
>
>Congrats to Yossarian King, for producing an adaptable program. 

Thanks!

>Q. how can I stop the bottom edge of the printout from being lost?
>I have moved the screen image up within the window, but this does 
>not seem to change the print boundaries.

Ummm, I'm not certain from your description exactly what's going
wrong. If you are referring to the symbols that indicate errors,
then yes, they will fall off the bottom of the page. (This is
because they are printed on the line following the one in which
the error occurred, so if an error occurs in the last line, then ...)
	The reason I didn't fix this was because, ummm, mainly
basic laziness, which I justified by saying that no one would want
a nice, clean, fancy printout of a pattern with errors in it.
It (probably) wouldn't be too hard to get the error symbol to
"wrap around" to the top of the next column, but I'm not sure if
it's worth the effort.
	If your problem is more serious then mail me details and
I'll see if I can figure out what's going wrong. (At the risk of
getting my mailbox flooded with desperate pleas for help with
steaming masses of bugs that I overlooked, anyone having trouble
with sss, feel free to mail me. Let me know what machine/printer
setup you have, what you gave as input to the program, and what it
gave you back. [I will then respond with the email equivalent of a
puzzled stare and tell you that I'm not a guru of any sort :-)])

>Q2. I thought 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 was a 4 ball pattern. 

	Oops, yep. Another documentation bug uncovered. I wrote most
of the README file in a bleary-eyed haze at about 5am one morning, so
I plead temporary insanity to any charges of innacuracy. (1 2 3 4 ...
2N-1 is the N-ball pattern (but you knew that))

>Can anybody actually do it? 

	Hell no! I was trying 1 2 3 4 5 for a while, but even that
was tough. The wide range of ball heights means that what looks
good in animation ends up being chaos in the physical world!
-- 
Yggy King	| "Outside of a dog, a book is a person's best friend;	
UBC Comp Sci	|     inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
B.C., Canada	|		    --Groucho Marx
From: ronald@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ronald Braunstein)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: torches
Date: 21 Aug 92 23:08:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley



Well, I ordered torches from Todd Smith with the 25% discount.
[Thanks, they look good so far].
[$21.00 / $28.00]

Now, I was wondering what the proper fuel is.
DO people recommend lighter fluid or kerosene or lamp oil
or ...

-thanks, ron
ronald@cory.berkeley.edu
ron@geoworks.com
.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: charles@zip.eecs.umich.edu (Charles Jacob Cohen)
Subject: Re: $$ for street performing?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:07:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.141209.7056@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> garys@iscp.bellcore.com (Gary Seubert) writes:
>Are there any 'guidelines' I can go by?  Is $10 per hour too much?  Too
>little?  Actually, to be able to juggle for any length of time without 
>worrying about work or my wife hassling me, I should offer to pay HER 
>$10 per hour!

If you are doing a performance, then you could just accept the audiences
donation as your pay.  If you are to provide background, then i'd go for
$15/hour. Your skill is rare, and is should cost (they could always 
haggle you down, right :) - Chuck
.



-- 
"I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense,
reason, and intellect, had intended for us to forgo their use." - Galileo
"I'm an engineer, not a dictionary!" - Me
From: koczaja@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Donna L. Koczaja)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Juggling at the U. of Maryland...
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:32:50 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hello all!  I have a friend who will be attending graduate school at the U. of Maryland
in a few weeks, and I would like to know if there are any juggling organizations out
that way.  (my friend doesn't have internet access so I took it upon myself to find out
for him)  Any information would be greatly appreciated, you can either post it or 
e-mail me directly...

I (and also my friend) thank you in advance...

Donna  :)
koczaja@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

PS. I'm working on 5 bean bags, and it's HARD!!!  :)
From: tjj@rolf.Helsinki.FI (Timo Jokitalo)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Can Mr. Eastwood really juggle 7 ping-pong-balls with his mouth?
Date: 16 Aug 92 08:58:59 GMT
Reply-To: tjj@rolf.helsinki.fi (Timo Jokitalo)
Organization: Rolf Nevanlinna Institute, Helsinki University, Finland

In article <6_8ms0j.guardian@netcom.com> guardian@netcom.com (Andrew Denton) writes:
>
>      My friend Dan Menendez and I were reading your letter and do a re
> have a response...
>     NO he cant... he can do it with a hand feed, but Tony Ferco an
>unbelievably great juggler can do 7 balls WITHOUT a hand feed!

Wow!!
(A hand feed, I understand, means that you catch the balls with your
hand and place them in your mouth?)

>       I personaly am curious if you saw that dickhead... err... Mr
> speed juggler himself Wally Dickwood.. err.. Eastwood do Dan's bounce
> juggling routine off a synyhesizer keyboard...

In fact, I did. I did think that it was a rather neat routine (congratulations
to Dan for inventing such a nice idea), but now that I hear that it was a
plagiarised routine, I can understand that it's not easy to
remember his name correctly, as one could see from your posting too! :-)
But still, I do have to say that he was the best juggler I have ever 
seen live! (We don't have that many gurus coming to Finland...)

	Cheers,
	Timo
From: dlopez@vnet.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: (none)
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:06:16 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

send programs/sss/README
send programs/sss/diddle.sss
send programs/sss/install
send programs/sss/sss.ps
send programs/sss/sss.c
From: steve@thorin.geosys.co.uk (Steve Hawtin)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: BJA 1995 (Was Re: @^(%*&&@* journalists!)
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:51:41 GMT
Reply-To: steve@geosys.co.uk
Organization: Oilfield Systems Ltd.

In article <zlsiida.100@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>, zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:
|> 
|> 8th convention ('95) in Southampton anybody?

I thought '95 was going to be in Norwich, do you know something I don't?
Or am I getting confused (again) :-)


Steve Hawtin			EMAIL    : steve@geosys.co.uk
Oilfield Systems Ltd.,		BANGNET  : ...!uunet!mcsun!uknet!geosys!steve
Worthy Park House,		PHONE    : +44 962 882448
Abbots Worthy, Winchester,	FAX      : +44 962 885085
Hants. SO21 1AN, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
From: claypool@myria.cs.umn.edu (Mark Claypool)
Subject: Juggling Four Bean Bags
Keywords: Bean Bags, four
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 21:17:08 GMT

I recently bought three bean-bags and attacked juggling them with a
vengeance.  After mastering this modest number, I'm ready to move on
to four.
 
The Klutz book of juggling said something like "Learn to juggle two
balls in one hand.  Do that with both hands.  Now you're juggling
four.  At no time do the balls cross over."  This sounds like it would
not be visually appealing; is this the standard way to juggle four?
 
Also, do you have any tips, incremental steps, warnings, drills, etc.
for learning to juggle four bean bags?
 
Thanks.
 
   Mark

--

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-------------------------------------------- /  |/  |/_____/-----/    \/_\/
From: jr@ksr.com (John Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: @^(%*&&@* journalists!
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:50:28 GMT
Organization: Kendall Square Research, Waltham, MA
In-reply-to: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk's message of 13 Aug 92 08:41:36 EDT

I would always try to teach the reporter (or any other newcomer of
course!) how to juggle.  They will appreciate both how easy and fun a
3-ball casade can be (and solid with practice), and how hard most
tricks beyond that are.  Breaks down the distance; makes her "one of
us".  Ought to improve the story.

Now maybe you did do this; if so, I share your outrage.
--
/jr, aka John Robinson                       Place stamps here
internet: jr@ksr.com                    Post Office will not deliver
uucp: {world,harvard,uunet}!ksr!jr      mail without correct postage
From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: Juggling Four Bean Bags
Keywords: Bean Bags, four
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:22:26 GMT

In <claypool.713999828@myria> claypool@myria.cs.umn.edu (Mark Claypool) writes:

>The Klutz book of juggling said something like "Learn to juggle two
>balls in one hand.  Do that with both hands.  Now you're juggling
>four.  At no time do the balls cross over."  This sounds like it would
>not be visually appealing; is this the standard way to juggle four?
> 
>Also, do you have any tips, incremental steps, warnings, drills, etc.
>for learning to juggle four bean bags?
> 
Yes, this is the standard way to juggle four.
Yes, it is visually appealing - when watching someone juggling four balls
well, you have to look very carefully to *SEE* that the balls aren't
crossing - it's a wonderful optical illusion (assuming that the balls
are all the same colour.)
Advice and incremental steps - 
The book about has it covered for the steps by the sound of it, except that
I found it easier to learn to throw simultaneously with each hand - ie
each hand is doing the same thing at the same time. When you've got the
hang of that, move on to asynchronous throws (alternating the throws
with each hand) - this is easier to keep going than synchronous throws,
but harder to learn from scratch.
Keep practising two in one hand, concentrating on your weaker hand,
and trying to throw the balls from inside to out. Practise going from
the three-ball cascade to two in one hand and back, with both hands.

Don't be daunted by it - it's a good deal easier than it sounds.
(unlike five :-) )

Good luck, and have fun.

Andy


-- 
Andy Lewis  (ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk)
Department of Electronics and Computer Science
University of Southampton
From: PHY5JBB@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Brendan Brolly)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Firework Diabolo
Date: 13 Aug 92 10:33:51 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University


    The diabolist with the sparkling diabolo is called Otto and is
from Austria.
    The diabolo is made by cutting off half of one of the bells and
attaching a catherine wheel firework. This does look really nice but
one problem with it is that it will slowly turn as one side is being
jet propelled by the firework (think about gyroscopic motion).
    Hope this helps someone.