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From: hassioti@tenntom.ecn.purdue.edu (Sophia Hassiotis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: mutlu has Permanent Menopause Syndrom(PMS)
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:32:24 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <22041523453713@WISCMACC.BitNet> UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos) writes:
>Mutlupolis -- The National Mutluliar  Volume KILLMUTLU-XXVVI
> 
>Permanent mutlu-Mounopause Syndrom in the '90s
> 
>As the millions of women in the baby-boom generation reaches
>midlife, mutlu-searchers are looking into new lies to help them
>suffer bad health long after their childbearing years have come
>to an end. (mutlu hasnt had my baby yet, but that is on the
>workings...)
> 
>Most importantly, women can now choose to take estrogen after
>menopause to cut their risk of bludder disease and
>mutlu-oporosis...
> 
>Its important to remember that mutlu-menopause is not just
>a disease... its a sick part of a sick woman's  aging
>process. But when a woman suffers from sexual difficulties
>(its called the mutlu-menopause-syndrome) severe hot flashes or
>urinary incontinence triggered by mutlumenopause, she needs to
>know that prompt treatment can help her avoid severe problems in
>the years to come.
> 
>Reporting from the Mutlupolitan Hospital of Mutlupolis,
> 
>Nick Gavrielatos (aka Gav*)
>To Sixameno Plasma
>UCNICK@UMUC
> 
>/********************************************************************/
>/* You are a liar mutlu-malak, you are one big allah-damn liar      */
>/* BANANA REPUBLIC TERKIYEKI CHICKEN                                */
>/********************************************************************/


Mr. Gavrielatos:

Your wonderful insight into women's health is touching.
However, I would suggest that you refrain from using such
sexist demeaning images in your stupid-long-drawn-out-personal
vendetta with the object of your desire, Mutlu.

Just a thought,

Sophia
From: gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (GAVRILAKIS Spyros IMHEF DME EPFL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: ALAS HELLAS : PAST SINS
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:40:12 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne





About a year ago an article appeared in the International Herald Tribune of
Europe about (among other things) the misuse of the US$ 12.5bn (?? figure
not certain but huge) aid that Greece recieved from the EEC during the 80s.
An article on the squandered money has recently appeared in a French language
journal. I will post extracts of my translation of this article sometime next
week on this channel.

Alas Hellas (from an EC official).
Yrs, Spyros Gav. EPFL, Switzerland.
~
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Macedonia (definition of name & policies)
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:39:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: murdoch.1992Apr6.223947.23082
Organization: University of Virginia


  Polu endiaferousa h Hrakleia parousiash twn analusewn tou 
  Andronikou Rwmanou.

  Prepei pragmati ta pragmata na einai etsi, ean kai monon ean:

  1. H af'hs eks arxhs endotikothta ths Elladas den eklambanotan 
     ws adunamia kai sto eswteriko kai sto ekswteriko.
     H aisthhsh adunamias einai epikindunh ean kseperna thn pra-
     gmatikothta.
     Shmera fainetai oti ean dexthoume to onoma einai pragmati logw
     "anwteras" bias (kai oxi katwteras :-)).

  2. "Kapoioi" isxuroi den endiaferontai na krathsoun "kapoies" gewpoli-
     tikes isorropies dia ths diathrhshs "kapoiou" eumegethous ths Servias.
     Se authn thn periptwsh eimastan aplws to "ferefwno" kapoiwn "anwthen".


Grhgorhs
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:3244 soc.culture.soviet:2987
From: tsarcho@dfki.uni-kl.de (Panagiotis Tsarchopoulos)
Subject: Aksizei ton kopo?
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:22:07 GMT

    Panw pou hmoun etoimos na xrhsimopoihsw to kill gia 
ta ar0ra tou periergou eks Anatolwn eida oti yphrxan apanthseis
epi ths ousias sta ar0ra tou apo ellhnikhs pleyras.

H aporia mou einai: aksizei arage ton kopo?

O an0rwpos sigoura *den* einai arrwstos kai sigoura exei 
kai pollous mikrous xasanakous dipla tou na ton boh0ane.
Aksios o mis0os tou, alla einai dynaton na dwsei kaneis
pragmatika shmasia s' ayta pou grafei?

Panagiotis
From: hilmi@vall.dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: MUSLIM MINORITY2
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:26:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: vall.1569
Organization: University of Stockholm, Sweden



There is a law in Greece that says:
"When a muslim "mufti" i Greece is accepted by the muslims
it must also be accepted by the government,
not just by the muslim people.
Can somebody explain why? 

Or do "doctor" Efti a "macedonian greec"
have to read the history first?

And congratulations  Efti , the EC have taken a step
closer to recognize Macedonia after recognizing "Bosna", you'll
soon have your own country or what do you think?












Hilmi Eren
Stockholm Universty
Computer and Sytems Science
hilmi@dsv.su.se
From: 89u1569@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: 21 divisions held by...
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:34:56 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <9204051716.AA10413@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com>

<Stuff deleted>

> As far as the US and its allies spending money to keep the Turks 
> (or any other foreign aid recipient) happy, tell you what. All
> <country> expatriates and <country> ophiles could mail an extra 5%
> or so of their US taxable income to the US state department in the name
> of <country>. Think of all the money highly paid professionals like 
> Hasan, Cosar, and Geoff Elliot (could not resist that, could I). People
> like what's her name at U of Illinois or other student types could
> donate less. 
> 
> I just mailed my US tax forms and donated (paid) a significant amount of 
> money. The interstate roads in my state are riddled with potholes,
> City Services stink, and on top of that you (or whoever else advocates
> foreign aid (read money to be used to buy more military equipment))
> have the nerves to ask for MORE? Just to keep Turkey (or whoever) happy?
> 
> (statement above goes for money going to Greece as well. My favorite
> horror story is US helicopters (one owner, low miles :-)) donated to
> the Greek Air Force. Unfortunately, the powers that be insisted that
> rebuilding said helicopters be done not at the facilities of the
> Hellenic Aerospace Industry but at the facilities of a well known US
> defense contractor, at costs approaching purchasing said helicopters
> New)
>

	It's not the point you are making that I want to advocate, rather
the example. The above mentioned example was a business decision by the US
so that Greece would be forced to by new Helicopters of the same type. I
don't remember names and models but there was quite a fuss about it. Greek
policy is not to have a big veriaety of harware in the army. If you have 
one type of Chopper stick with the model in new releases. (goes for all armies)
So as a result the US offered as a gift a hole stack of older technology
Choppers so that Greece would buy the newer ones. Greece had already decided
on which model to buy. But it was considering on what to do, accept or not the
offer.



 
> PS: I have no access to groups other than soc.culture.greek, you are 
> welcome to cross post my message. I only request you post it in its
> entirety and without artistic (or poetic) alterations.
> 
> Spiros
> --
> Spiros Triantafyllopoulos        
 
	So there :-)
		George T.
From: 89u1569@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Muslim Minority in Greece!next
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:35:17 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1567@vall.dsv.su.se>, hilmi@vall.dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes:
> The muslim minority in Greece
> aren't allowed to rebuild their
> houses when they are to fell apart.
> They must move or buy a new house.

??????? What !!! 


> 
> Can somebody answer why Greece has these kind
> of laws?

	First quote the law or were you heard this because we cant advocate
something we don't know were it came from. I can guess how somebody used an
insident and used it for the hole minority.

> 
> I thougt the word democracy came from Greece.

	Correct.


> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> hilmi eren
> computer and systems science
> stockholm universty, sweden
> hilmi@dsv.su.se

	George T.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: orhan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Orhan Mehmet Arsel)
Subject: Re: What makes krugman unimpartial
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 00:12:44 GMT

In article <22041522420773@WISCMACC.BitNet> UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos) writes:

> 
>Not exactly you turkish hemorroidal discharge, not exactly...
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>What makes krugman unimpartial is not that he disagrees with him,
>but YOU agree with him, you stinky ass lying bastard!!!!
>                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Nick Gavrielatos
>To Sixameno Plasma
>UCNICK@UMUC

Is this an isolated case or is it the general attitude of greek
netters (which I don't think it is)? The above sentence might be
intended for one single person but seems to generalize an entire
nation. After all, this is hardly  the way to critisize one's ideas.

Does anybody know how to get in touch with this person's system
administrator and  make him/her aware what kind of crap their
users generate?

Sincerely,

Orhan.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:3338 soc.culture.yugoslavia:3935 soc.culture.europe:3810
From: peter@xerxes (Peter Vafeades)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: "Greece - An EC Pet" - A Le Monde Article
Summary: Greece was the 10th (not the 12th) EC member
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:05:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Trinity University, San Antonio TX. USA

Greece was admitted as the 10th member of the EC (Spain & Portugal were
admitted as the 11th & 12th).  This in combination with the other
mistake about the year when PASOK came to power shows a general
sloppiness in the writting of this article and detracts from its
credibility.

Petros
From: UCNICK@UMUC.BitNet (Nick Gavrielatos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: mutlu-malak
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:09:01 GMT

Mutlu writes(I forgot to whom):
>Here you descend into total inanity.
 
Not only here, but all the time mutlu, from 87, and even beyond
you have not descended, but dragged into mudd and spit and dirt!!!
 
>Again, your lack of intelligence has to be divinely inspired and
>displayed in 'Aryan' museums.
 
Your luck of descency and sencerity has never been greater.
You are one sissy soft ass, that never had real guts, and
never will!
 
>Can you provide any proof for this joke?
 
Why mutlu, were YOU ever able to provide one small little bittie
piece of proof for 6 years of trash, flame and lies??? Were you???
 
>Anxiously awaiting.
 
I HOPE SO MUTLU, I SURE AS HELL HOPE SO!!!!!
 
 
Nick Gavrielatos
To Sixameno Plasma
UCNICK@UMUC
 
/********************************************************************/
/* You are a liar mutlu-malak, you are one big allah-damn liar      */
/* BANANA REPUBLIC TERKIYEKI CHICKEN                                */
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From: hyx1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: East Asian Ethics (was Re: Chinatown unsafe?)
Keywords: Asian
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:11:14 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:
>hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes...
>>In my opinion, all East Asian Countries have similar culture.  The ethics,
>>which governs peoples' behavior, are the same in China, Korea, Japan, and
>>Vietnam.  Confucianism and Buddhism are the major or dominant 
>>philosophy/religion concerning ethics in the area.  The only competition
>>of any significance is Shintoism in Japan.
>
>given on this topic of whether one single East Asian culture exists.
>What are the results?  There weren't many responses on s.c.a.a. but
>perhaps you saw the ones on s.c.c, s.c.k, s.c.j, and s.c.v?

	Still have 2 more weeks, but not enough response to reach any
satisfying conclution.  What I want is to represent the opinions of all
groups, so that nobody will feel being insulted.  I learned from exprence
that the best way to get response is to sound insulting (like underdog).
	Very strange thing that netters on asian .culture groups are not
very vocal on culture.  Well, most if not all of them are not in HUMANTIES.

>>The common ethical ideals that I can think of now are:
>>1. family solidarity; family (society) above self.
>>2. awe and respect for antiquity; ancestor worship; observance of custom.
>>3. obedience of authority and elder.
>Basically Confucianism.  But each area is affected by varying degrees.

	Can u think of any ethical ideals in Asia that are not Confucianist?

>>For this reason, East Asians are more considerate than American and Europeans.
>Whoa... step back a bit.  I have heard arguments of this nature from both

  People won't make a sound unless u step on their toes, accidentally.  :)

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From: hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Asian comics (was: One more time on this)
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:33:04
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation
Distribution: na
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In-reply-to: kerryg@stat.rice.edu's message of Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:19:30 GMT


In article <1992Apr15.201930.16572@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:

> Asian comics are a very rare breed.  I don't know whether this is
> common in Asians in Asian, but I have met more than a few
> 1st-generation Asians who do not get any joke whatsoever.  Not that
> they are trying to be difficult or offended; they simply take
> everything literally and do not see the "alternative" meaning of a
> phrase necessary to get a joke.

  Some of my Chinese friends have told jokes to me, which just were
not funny to me, no matter how hard they tried to explain them
(unfortunately, I can't remember any of them now -- probably because
they weren't funny to me!).  In some of the Chinese magazines I've
looked at, I sometimes see some small cartoons.  Many of them don't
seem very funny to me, although some of them are.

  I believe the problem is that humor is very deeply tied to culture
and language.  In order to understand many jokes, you have to be
raised in a particular culture (or at least live in it for quite a
while), in order to understand why those things are funny.

--
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From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: China never as prosperous as Europe?
Keywords: predestination
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:37:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <kum5jfINN5qa@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (I Shop because It's There) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 	underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) :
|> 	> Mr. Kemnitz is doing what basically many people
|> 	> who identify with Chinese culture like to do.  Namely, in reponse
|> 	> to the charge that Chinese society is inferior to the West, they
|> 	> reach back centuries ago to find some point in time at which 
|> 	> the Chinese did okay for that period of history.
|> 
|> Which is also what you are doing, you refuse to accept China's accomplishments
|> yet you only focus on a certain period of Western history without also
|> focusing on their less than stellar accomplishments at other points in time.
|> 
|> As always, you change the rules of the game so that you appear the winner.

Good point Melinda.

The subject line says "China never as prosperous as Europe?"
after all.  So please tell us what is wrong with reaching back in time?
Mr. Joe
did use the word "NEVER".  If Mr. Joe wants the discussion to involve only the
current and future state of affairs he should word the subject line more clearly.
He should have said "will never be" instead of "never".

Besides, like I emailed Mr. Joe before, this is s.c.a.a not 
s.c.{china,taiwan,hongkong}.  I think s.c.{china,taiwan,hongkong} people
do not give him the time of day, but the people in s.c.a.a do even though his
posts really do not have anything to do with Asian-American issues.

Melinda and everyone else, it has long been apparent that Mr. Joe is not
interested in discussion, he just wants you to piss you off or accept his
words as truth without question.  For the latter case he would have made a good 
Confucianist.  I suspect Mr. Joe identifies with Chinese culture. 

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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(or more precisely the hakka haole)
(or even more precisely, the hapa hakka hapa haole, or h^4)
From: tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fall?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:29:51 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis / LLNL

In article <65432@apple.Apple.COM> tse@apple.com writes:
->kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz) writes:
->| When I lived in Berkeley, my roommate and I went to Chinatown
->| frequently after two or three AM to eat...
->| 
->| I feel far safer there than I do in South Berkeley or Downtown Oakland
->| at night, although we've been known to make late-night forays into
->| those areas for food as well :-)
->
->Well, there are few spots in the Bay Area more threatening to one's
->sense of safety than South Berkeley (near and at the Oakland border).
->That said, I have always found both Chinatown and South Berkeley to be
->quite safe.  

South Berkeley is notorious.

->I occasionally make late night rib runs to Flints, and I
->often eat in SF Chinatown after the theatre lets out.

I used to do that too.  Usually I was with a group of people so it seems
all right.  But in restaurants you can usually see some gangsters.  As
long as you don't look in their direction it should be fine...

->I can't remember
->ever feeling the least bit worried for my safety.  But then, I grew up
->in some fairly unsavory neighborhoods, so your mileage will definitely
->vary.

I didn't realize there is safety problem until I saw one shooting incident.
Maybe I was unlucky.  On second thought, maybe I am lucky...  My friends
and I pretty much stop going to late night movies after that.

->
->-- 
->Gary Tse 	     tse@Apple.COM || tse@soda.Berkeley.EDU 	 (408) 862-5452

--
Terry Cheung
tcheung@ramius.ocf.llnl.gov
From: timlee@public.btr.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: English Only Movement
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:28:06 GMT
Reply-To: timlee@btr.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Followup-To: soc.culture.asian.american

mday@jukebox.lcs.mit.edu (Mark Day) writes:
|
|   timlee@public.btr.com writes:
|
|   Well, then instead of saying that English is the "official" language,
|   why not just make clear and simple laws which state what languages
|   the government should provide its services in.  
|
|I think that is exactly what is meant by English as the "official"
|language.  English as the official language doesn't mean that the
|government hunts down non-English speakers wherever they are, it just
|means that government offices, forms, and publications use English.
|It's making explicit something that had been implicit for many years,
|but which has lately been changing as the government provides more
|services in other languages.

If English is the "official" language, then should government agencies
be banned from using other languages in:

* emergency services?
* tax collection?

In some cases, offering other languages may be an advantage (i.e.
getting people to pay taxes).  Why not state specifically for each
service, instead of trying to make a blanket statement and puzzling
with it from there?
 
|   I am well aware that many bilingual education programs suck.  But
|   the dividing line between the good and bad ones does not fall neatly
|   between the high-speed ESL programs and the more gradual programs.
|
|Dividing between "high-speed ESL" and "more gradual programs" is a red
|herring.

That's what US English does.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Chinatown unsafe? (was Re: Will America fall?)
Keywords: unsafe, very unsafe
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:17:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.013917.25994@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.191353.7775@oakhill.sps.mot.com> jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
>inquisitively asks:
>>
>Please.  For your own sake, don't walk anywhere near China town.  You
>are, however, permitted to spit on the place as you drive by on your
>way to Japan town.
>
>Do visit Japan town.  It is pleasantly and cleanly arranged; do try out
>the green-tea ice cream sold by the Korean vendor.  In fact, there are
>a couple of Korean operated shops in Japan town; they have all wisely chosen
>to stay away from China town.

Actually, the neighborhood south of Geary (where Japantown is located) is
more dangerous than any area near Chinatown in San Francisco. And as for a
"couple" of Korean operated shops in J-town, there are assuredly dozens, and
many of them have located there because they speak Japanese. BTW, there are
also quite a few Korean-owned businesses in Chinatown, on Geary just south
of the Clement Street Chinatown, and there are quite a few Japanese-owned
and operated stores in both Chinatowns.

>My Chinese [strictly in the genetic sense] friend also said that LA's
>Chinatown is just as bad, if not worse.  Chinese culture is, in many

Well, I lived in LA for years, I did volunteer work with AEP and was in 
Chinatown just about every weekend for several years (which BTW is only a
about a half-mile from Little Tokyo) and I never had any trouble in Chinatown
at night, nor did I see any criminal activity. Also, the area around Little
Tokyo, except for the northern border, which is city hall, is pretty scummy,
as anyone can see if you drive up Main or Los Angeles streets. 

>aspects, very different from either Korean or Japanese culture.  Please
>know the difference, for _YOUR_ and your children's own good.

DJ, get a clue. Better still, take two; they're small.

Mike


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