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From: mnf0642@hertz.njit.edu (mnf)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Pale Saints - question
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:49:26 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

I would like to know if the tracks on the "Throwing Back The Apple"
release are included anywhere else ? Was this record released after
or before their latest album ?

"Throwing Back The Apple " has the following tracks:
	-Throwing Back The Apple
	-Blue Flower
	-Half Life Remembered
	-Reflections From A Watery World

Thanks for any info. on this.

Nuno
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Subject: Re: Flying Nun bands
From: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 04:45:40 GMT
Reply-To: meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz
 <1992Aug29.195201.559@athena.mit.edu> <1992Aug31.120508.10464@waikato.ac.nz>,<hrpsdj.36@pnv.dsir.govt.nz>
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ

In article <hrpsdj.36@pnv.dsir.govt.nz>, news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System) writes:
>
>1) Fair comment, but the original post was just to start a discussion of 
>alternative `alternative' NZ music, I don't hate them so much and was just 
>trying to point out that there is more to NZ music than just the guitar-
>janglers. (To Damon, I am neither narrow-minded or an idiot (or maybe both 
>or either), I just can't be bothered enough about SJF to make sure I spell 
>it right.

I have to agree here, I'm sick of the main-stream, commercially pushed
bands that are manufactured out of Enzed, (all for the sake of the acceptable
NZ jangly pop standard) having attended a few of the Battle Of Bands competitions 
where the worst band wins the recording contract every time. I have seen SJF 
live and I think they suck too. 

Remeber the TV awards for the best bands and a little known band known
as Shihad were surpised they had won an award for best new-comer, they
had released their own album independantly.

On the home front on Saturday attended the show at Ali Baba's where SMUT
and Fatal Jelly Space played, a great show. 


--
Red

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From: ben@athena.mit.edu (Ben)
Subject: BOREDOMS U.S. TOUR DATES
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt.music.alternative
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:47:41 GMT


  The Boredoms are coming to the US in October to do a brief tour opening
 for Sonic Youth. Here are the dates (all are with Sonic Youth unless 
 noted otherwise):

   		Oct 9 Hoboken NJ (maxwell's) (Boredoms ONLY)
		Oct 11 Washington, DC
		Oct 13 Pittsburgh, PA
		Oct 14 Cleveland, OH
		Oct 16 Buffalo, NY
		Oct 17 SUNY-Binghamton, NY
		Oct 24 New York, NY (roseland)
	MAYBE   Oct 25 New York, NY (if first show sells out)
		Oct 31 New York, NY (Knitting Factory- Eye Yamatsuka ONLY)


    

    Linsey c/o ben@athena.mit.edu
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Luna
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:31:31 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete
Keywords: No LP

paulc@npac.syr.edu (Paul Coddington) writes:

> BTW, the new Luna album is very good, and sounded very little like Phil
> Collins to me, despite listening to it on loathsome CD. 

So what's it like?  I saw it in the shops but I've never heard of 'em so
I didn't blow the $15.  (It takes a hell of a lot to get me to buy anything
domestic at full price anymore.)

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"what kind of dream was this, so easy to destroy?"
Xref: sparky alt.music.alternative:9912 rec.music.cd:6256
From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative,rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: REM CDs
Keywords: R.E.M., CDs
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:54:02 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

rqb@cco.caltech.edu (Rajesh Q. Bilimoria) writes:

> stclair@ldgo.columbia.edu (moanna stclair) writes:
> 
> >Can anyone out there help me?  I am about to get my first cd player
> >and need help choosing which cds by R.E.M.actually sound great on cd.
> >A friend of my warned me that sometimes old or poor recordings are used
> >which sound horrible on the compact disc medium.um.u> other songs: s: sgggggn the e e [Inststsmental]" and "Quiet Steam"""> 
> 
cel.
> 

UUU due out (last time I heard) September 22.
From: MURPH@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (M.A. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Darling Buds info?
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:17:53 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

In article <17j6niINNnoh@agate.berkeley.edu>, tcronin@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tom Cronin) says:
>
>         Has anyone heard anything about the Darling Buds lately?
>    I've been hoping they'd released something soon, perhaps
>    followed by a club tour. Anyone know anything?  Please fill
>    me in if you do.

Well, in today's mail at the radio station there was a 4 track CD that
has songs taken from the forthcoming Chaos/Columbia release _Erotica_.
So, I'd say a new release is due out fairly soon.
-------

                                            Murph

                                            Michael A. Murphy
                                            MURPH@MAINE.BITNET

If you do not understand my silence
you will not understand my words.
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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Autohaze...
Keywords: Authohaze, summershine
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 01:26:37 GMT


In article <markkj.715216767@munagin>, markkj@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Johnston) writes:
|> 
|>     I bought "Mild Steel Flat" by autohaze the other day, I thought the songs
|> on it were brilliant.  Could anyone give me any more info on (if there are any
|> other autohaze releases),  what the names of any of the other CDs by autohaze
|> are called.  I notice that MSF was the first release oon summershine, and since
|> the date on the EP was 1991, I'm not all that sure that they'd have another
|> out yet....

There are a few 7" records of theirs on Summershine - 3 to be exact.  One was
a giveaway at a gig & isn't _supposed_ to be on sale anywhere.  I have seen
a copy in a shop though......

There will be something new from them soon I think.

brian
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From: torda@igc.ethz.ch (Andrew Torda)
Subject: Re: Anyone see Nick Cave recently?
Summary: Disappointing
Organization: Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zuerich
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:44:08 GMT

In article <25789@dog.ee.lbl.gov> hudson@csa2.lbl.gov writes:
>I was unable to catch the Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds show in San Francisco
>this summer.  I wonder if anyone who saw a show on this tour could send me 
>a setlist and/or comments?

I just saw all the other enthusiastic postings. At the risk of being a
spoil sport, may I throw in a critical note ?

Before the states, Cave went around Europe and did a night in Zurich.

I was genuinely excited. The last time I saw him was ~10 years ago
when I was a student in Australia.

Firstly, Cave is a brilliant performer. He is a whirlwind of energy
and life. The band behind him, however, looked tired of all the
touring they had done. While Cave would leap, dance and bellow out his
lyrics, the band limply moaned and whined, usually out of key.
The weeping song was sung as a duet with Blixa Bargeld who struck me
as the world's most unenthusiastic guitarist. His singing was worse.

Cave also has genuine ability as a showman. He responded to any banter
with the audience, but this is always a problem with a group which
doesn't have English as the mother tongue. As the night went on, his
digs got quite nasty, but remained subtle.
Imagine turning to an audience and saying, "This songs got a steady
4/4 rhythm you can dance to it". The crowd roars wildly, although it's
not clear how many actually understand quick Australian through a
cheap sound system.
Next, Cave launches into 'Oh Deanna' and howls out a song about a
suicide pact while the crowd bops to a teeny-bopper tune.
I think the irony was lost on them.

The other sad part was Cave's weakness for performing wimpy classics
on stage. He can do "In the ghetto" if he wants, but it's not as good
as his own material and not his forte. One of the encores was a
similar old dreary standard.

I certainly have no regrets about going, but I would kill to be back
in the early 80's in the proper sweaty beery Sydney atmosphere where
he would excel.
-Andrew


-- 

Andrew Torda, Computational Chemistry, ETH, Zurich, torda@igc.ethz.ch
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From: c9111456@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (Fight War not wars)
Subject: Re: Bad Religion
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:40:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.073254.7782@cs.tu-berlin.de>, djg@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Dirk Gomez) writes:
> arsenic@cs.montana.edu (Michael Hurd) writes:
> 
>>_How_Could_Hell_Be_Any_Worse?  was probably released about five
>>years before 
>>_Suffer_. The band broke up for a while after/during doing an album
>>called _Into_The_Unknown_.  An album even they seem to deny 
>>making, but a great album nonetheless.
>>



I have a Bad Religion Video of them live in concert. It covers heeps 
of their older stuff.

I only recognize the song that are from suffer as this is the oldest
B.R record that I have got.

Does anyone know the video that I am talking about and if so what 
record are the other songs from.....


James.


---------------------
C9111456@wombat.newcastle.edu.au
James Saultry.

The Business man who's master plan controls the word each day is blind
to indications of his species slow decay.

THE MASSES OF HUMANITY HAVE ALLWAYS HAD TO SUFFER.
---------------------
From: ben@athena.mit.edu (Ben)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Magnetic Fields-- New e.p.
Date: 28 Aug 92 03:13:42 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.alternative
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


   Rumor has it that Feel Good All Over records in Chicago is going to 
release a four-song e.p. of new Magnetic Fields material. The e.p. will
feature the Magnetic Fields live band which has been playing out since
last November. And Stephin, not Susan, will sing. 

The record probably will not be available until late fall, but I could be
wrong.


 the folks at ben@athena.mit.edu
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From: rqb@cco.caltech.edu (Rajesh Q. Bilimoria)
Subject: look blue go purple (flying nun band)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:41:20 GMT

Does anyone know what the band Look Blue Go Purple sounds like?
They were an all female band in the eighties (disband 87) from 
new zealand. A cd was recently released called compilation. however,
it's only available as an import here (ie expensive) and i was wondering
if anyone had info on their sound.

Somewhat related: I've been buying NZ music as i find it; so far i've
got straitjacket fits, the bats (3 cds), the chills (4 cds), the
3Ds, and one verlaines cd. of them all, i think the bats sound the best,
if not a little monotonous. I have to be a little partial to the Chills,
since they are from dunedin, and that's where i was born (but i left in 
1975). Are there any other good new zealand bands?

Q
Q@juliet.caltech.edu
From: mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Name that Song
Date: 3 Sep 1992 21:20:06 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Sep3.193046.8954@gvl.unisys.com> schrey@prc.unisys.com writes:
>   This song is by Peter Schilling and uses the same character as the
>   David Bowie songs "Space Oddity" and "Ashes to Ashes."  Major Tom
>   is an astronaut analog to a drug user.  The Schilling song I think
>   is titled "Major Tom," or "Coming Home," or "Major Tom (Coming Home)."
>   This is also the only hit for Schilling, at least in this country.
>   He is German.  This song is also kind of old (early 80's old, that is).
>
peter schilling had two hits in america:  major tom (coming home) and a
few years after that, "a different story", which was released around 1988
or so (the latter i would consider canonised as a dance classic).  a different
story had sandra on backing vocals.

yours,m
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From: c91andpe@odalix.ida.liu.se (Andreas Persson)
Subject: Kat Onoma
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:40:38 GMT

Does anyone know if the french group Kat Onoma have made some records after the
superb "Stock Phrases"?


Andreas Persson			E-Mail: c91andpe@und.ida.liu.se
Linkoeping
SWEDEN
From: lmn52210@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ramona)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Another State of Mind
Keywords: Minor Threat, Youth Brigade
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:46:11 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Yeah, Social Distortion is on it, too.  I've been looking for a couple years
now and I really would like a copy of my own.  It's what turned me on to
hardcore in the first place. Anyone? PLEEEEZZE!!!!

				   Ramona
				   .
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From: tim@vestek.com (Tim McGinnis)
Subject: Rare Yo La Tengo
Organization: Vestek Systems
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:22:25 GMT




o.k. here's the story as i've heard it.  2 or years ago
yo la tengo did a radio interview on the east coast.
they preformed 'speeding motorcycle' in studio
while the author of the song, daniel johnston, sang
over the telephone.  i can get my hands on the
'speeding motorcycle' segment of the show but does
anyone have a copy of the entire radio program?


thanks,

tim
tim@vestek.com
From: jbrehm@acpub.duke.edu (John Brehm)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Ramones, punk rock, XRaySpex, others (lots)
Date: 2 Sep 92 12:31:53 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Sorry, I don't think of the Ramones and the British punk stuff as the
same sound.  The Ramones are a blast, but it's kinda like going to a
live cartoon.  I suppose it's all to their credit that they don't take
themselves seriously.  I suppose that the three chord wonders might
have had some influence on the Pistols, et al., but it's a different
sound.
 
The Clash shows deteriorated dramatically with London Calling.  When
did you see them?
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall)
Subject: 1st Sex Pistols gig (was: Ramones)
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:18:12 GMT

dx@netcom.com (dx) writes:

>I have the Sex Pistols first show listed as having been before the Ramones
>U.K. debut.  Two separate sources place the Sex Pistols debut on November 11,
>1975 (at St. Martin's School of Art), nearly 7 months before the Ramones
>landed on their shores.

>Does anyone have a different chronology?

The chronology is right, but Jon Savage's book "England's Dreaming" gives
the date of the first Sex Pistols gig -- indeed at St. Martin's -- on November
6 (supporting a group called Bazooka Joe which was fronted by Adam Ant). But
that's a minor nit to pick.

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From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Subject: Helmet from Seattle?
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:18:56 GMT


Woah!  Is Helmet a Seattle band?

 I ask, because a local radio station said that McPaper had a feature on
Seattle bbands in the life section today, and she mentioned helmet.


-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
East Quad - Cooley
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From: ben@athena.mit.edu (Ben)
Subject: Re: Erectus Monotone
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:34:41 GMT

The Erectus Monotone CD includes the split-7 track, but nothing else on
Erector Set resembles that song. It's very sorta nonmelodic and no-wavey-
OK, I guess, but nothing I'd want to run out and buy. Is the new Bricks 7" 
out yet? And did you know that the lyrics to that EM song on the split are, 
with minor alterations, a poem ("A Fragment," also known as "The Eagle") 
by Alfred Lord Tennyson?

steve burt
c/o ben@athena.mit.edu
From: cwvst+@pitt.edu (Charles W Van Keuren)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Bad Religion
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:12:55 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

How is that Bad Religion video?  I believe it's called "Along the Way".  

Good quality?  Captures at least a little bit of a live, B.R. show?
Worth coughin' up 20 bux?  I do so love that band...

-chuck

"I've got nothing to say.  I've got nothing to do.  All of my neurons are
 functioning smoothly; yet, still I'm a cyborg just like you."
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Nirvana -> Killing Joke lawsuit ?
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:07:39 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In article <MOCK.92Aug21163559@watt.support.Corp.Sun.COM> mock@watt.support.Corp.Sun.COM (Joseph Mocker) writes:
>
>Heard on the radio this morning that Killing Joke might be starting a
>lawsuit against Nirvana over the song "Come as you are". Killing Joke
>is charging that the basic riff is the same riff as Killing Jokes'
>"Eighties".

I think that riff's been touted about a fair bit.  If you listen to
"Strawberries" by The Damned, there's a track called "Life Goes On"
(I think that's the title) which has the exact same riff.  OK, the
Damned's version is played a little faster, but like "Come As You Are"
the riff is the intro to the song, and it fooled me the first couple
of times I heard the song.
  As a footnote, I saw Nirvana at the Reading Festival over the weekend,
and they were pretty damned impressive, although their version of
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" was pretty awful (though I think that was
dilibirate, so that they don't have to play it again next time they
play over here).


pete j suters ---- bath university ---- email: p.j.suters@uk.ac.swurcc 
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From: kbennett@milton.u.washington.edu (K. Lena Bennett; Slacker Goddess)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: New R.E.M. Album info
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:26:28 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington

>"R.E.M.'s eighth album, <Automatic For The People>, "will divorce 				R.E.M.
>from a lot of their teeny-bopper fans," according to one source who has heard
>the record.  

Good.

"Moody," "mellow," "quiet" and "startling" are just some of the
>words being used to describe the mostly acoustic based album, which should be
>in stores October 6."

Great!

Looking forward to it.

Lena
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Rare Yo La Tengo
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:33:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.222225.17233@vestek.com> tim@vestek.com (Tim McGinnis) writes:
>
>o.k. here's the story as i've heard it.  2 or years ago
>yo la tengo did a radio interview on the east coast.
>they preformed 'speeding motorcycle' in studio
>while the author of the song, daniel johnston, sang
>over the telephone.  i can get my hands on the
>'speeding motorcycle' segment of the show but does
>anyone have a copy of the entire radio program?
>
>
>thanks,

   We recently did the same thing here at KUCI when Yo La Tengo visited,
  except instead of
  Daniel Johnston, we called The Great Gaylord.  He (on speaker phone)
 and Yo La Tengo performed "Squat With Me Baby" live on the air.

  Prime stuff. Hopefully Ira and co. might release it someday......

                                                  K!z!K



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From: dege@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Ralph M Degennaro)
Subject: Re: Led Zepplin
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:20:00 GMT

In article <BtHF69.EAM@alsvid.une.edu.au>, lwalford@alsvid.une.edu.au (LUKE JOHN WALFORD) writes...
>I have a Zepplin tape called CODA and can anybody tell me whether this was
>prominent Led tape and if its rare or not. 
>-- 
>LUKE JOHN                  WALFORD  Internet:  lwalford@alsvid.une.edu.au   Phone:  +61 66 203
>    University of New England, Northern Rivers (Lismore) NSW Australia

It is not rare or anything.  It was put out after John Bonham died.  It
is just a bunch of songs that they didn't put on any of the albums.  Sorta
a mop-up of everything Led Zeppelin ever recorded together.  Most people
don't like it, but I think _Bonzo's Montreux_ and _Wearing & Tearing_
are both good songs.

Rio
dege@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
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From: trubik@triton.unm.edu (S. M. Trujillo)
Subject: Re: Help me ID song...
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:04:37 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In <1992Aug24.155826.23315@leland.Stanford.EDU> burger@leland.Stanford.EDU 
   (Scott Schlossberg) writes:
>>Hi there.  I am trying to figure out who sings a particular song I've heard on
>>the radio, but I've never heard the artist or the name of the song.  I'll
>>describe it:  there is a female vocalist, and the primary instrument is an
>>acoustic guitar (going pretty fast).  I don't remember most of the words, but
>>the chorus goes something like "This is a song for him..."  My original guess
>>is that this is Juliana Hatfield, but there is no song with a similar title on
>>her album (which I have only seen in stores).  I'd really like to know who
>>sings this and what it's called.

The band is Sun 60, from Los Angeles, I believe.  I think there's only one
album. Good luck.

-- s t e v e n
-- 
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:: :: :: :: :: :: ::
"fire on the hemisphere below" - b/b/m/s
From: ben@athena.mit.edu (Ben)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Ramones, punk rock, XRaySpex, others (lots)
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:07:02 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

The person who suggested XRaySpex, Husker, Adverts, Undertones beat me to the 
punch on this. When I saw the original posting (from benny) I thought the net 
would get a hundred punk best ofs, not one punk best-of, one 'core/ 
metalcore best of, and a lot of Ramones trivia. Anyway, message #9651 is a 
very good place to start- I'd add that the "Oh Bondage" single IS available 
along with a couple other non-LP tracks on the CD version of the new Caroline 
reissue of Germfree Adolescents. Also, I think Flip Your Wig is probably the 
least interesting Husker Du rec- Zen Arcade, clearly the best. Though if  
you're not already familiar with Husker Du it may not matter that much- 
definitely get your hands on some. (The first HD rec I heard was Candy Apple 
Grey.)
	Some other good '77 punk to start with is, obviously, the Sex Pistols, whom Benny probably already knows about; the Buzzcocks' singles compilation, 
Singles Going Steady; either of the Radio Birdman LPs; the Saints' Eternally 
Yours; Menace and Eater, if you can find any; definitely Richard Hell; and two 
heavy Detroit bands that predate the Ramones, the Stooges (Iggy Pop's old band)
 and the MC5.  You might like Generation X (the band, not the novel) though I  
don't care for them beyond one song- they're certainly fairly important.  
	There are also a lot of compilations; a good one you can actually find 
in stores (and on compact disc, yet) is called Fun Filth and Fury. It's got 
Stiff Little Fingers, XRaySpex, GenX, and I think some of the other bands 
already mentioned.

steve burt
c/o ben@athena.mit.edu