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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: new 4.2 additions....
X-To:         stonec@iubacs.BITNET

Hi Cindy,
sorry about getting carried away with other stuff. I haven't done much research
into the book feature yet, as we just got PM 4.2 here, but I think you can use
any size page you want. Then you can rearrange the pages in any order you desire
by simply dragging them to the approprite position. At least that's what the
documentation said.

One other question:
I tried to use the balance columns command, and it threw off the whole document,
so I think that addition is a little kludgy too. It did the opposite of what I
was hoping it would do, so beware of that "feature" too.
Regards,
Monte Olsen
Oregon State University
Corvallis, OR
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Gidday Monte,

Sure will put a prawn (shrimp!) on the barbie!

Gidday!

Paul DownUnder
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From:         Karen Veitch <DNBA1202G@SYSA.BIRMINGHAM-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      2 up printing

I am using Pagemaker 4 on a 386DX.  My printer tells me
he would like my publication as "2 up". I am using a brother
laer printer (postcript). Is there any way I can do this
without having to go to the photocopier and having to copy  two
A5 pages onto an A4 page or have I got to wait for version 4.2
to be released?

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

By the way a colleague of mune has 4.2 for his MAC would it be
easy to import my publication and use the booklet command that
I seen discussed on this list?

Many Thanks

Karen Veitch
Information Services
Birmingham Polytxcechnic
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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject: Re: how about PM 4.2 under system 6.0.5...
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

I agree about System 7.0. There is a slight, perceptible penalty in speed. But
if you have a fast enough Mac, it's really insignificant. There are many, many
pluses to moving to System 7.0.
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From:         Sam Buchanan <SAMB@VM1.UCA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: how about PM 4.2 under system 6.0.5...
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Please remove my name from this list...Thanks.
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From:         Jarmila Pankova <PANKOVA@CSPGAS11.BITNET>
Subject:      lines & other stuff

Attn. Greg: Have you tried to check the "Fast rules" box?
            I had similiar promlem with lines & it disappeared after setting on
            this option. (In old PageMakr manual this option was introduced
            as a option especially for HP printers.)

To all:     Talking about various programs for DTP...How you value FrameMaker?
            (I have only heard alot about this program, but I haven't chance to
            try it.)

            Let's discuss also programs that are made for processing pictures!
            I'd like to learn about 'em more.
                                                   -Jaja
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:48:23 EDT
From:         "Hark Salad (Spice, Reid)" <SPICE@DICKINSN.BITNET>
Subject:      Huh?

What was that about not going out over the net?  Just kidding, I don't really
mind.

And a real question: I'm trying to print out my pubs on another laser
printer.  However, the computer for the printer doesn't have PM installed.  I
can translate the pub file to PostScript format with MacLink Plus (this is a
Mac question, BTW) but I can't find an application that will print out a pure
PostScript file.  Does anyone have an idea where I can locate such a thing?
FTP sites are welcome.

Thanks,
Reid.

SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU
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From:         SMURRELL@WOOSTER.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Would Pagemaker Help Here?

Roger, you can use the GRAB.COM screen capture program which comes on your
WordPerfect graphics disk.  This allows one to capture screen from other
applications and then save it as a .wpg file to be used directly in WP.
I have been successful with this about 99% of the time.

Hope it works.

-Joy
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From:         "Sharon Snyder, Goddess of Gibson" <SHARON@POMONA.CLAREMONT.EDU>
Subject:      Pages and printing

A student I work with sent me this query. i don't know the answer, and
thought I would pass it along. All suggestions appreciated.

==========

I am working on a newsletter which will be printed out on legal paper,
folded in half.  Thus, each page will be printed in landscape mode, on half
a page.  If my newsletter is, for example, eight pages long, is there a way to
print out pages 1 & 8 on the same piece of paper, then 2 & 7, 3 & 6, and 4 & 5
onso that the pages will be ready to go to the printer's without anmanual
cutting and pasting?

I have pored over documentation, to no avail.  Guru, you are my last hope.

==========

Thanks!

Sharon Snyder
Educational Services Intern
Pomona College
Claremont, California

SHARON@POMONA.CLAREMONT.EDU
SHARON@POMONA.BITNET
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From:         John <john@IUS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      My name is Stuart Weissman and I am a graphic Artist at
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State.  Pagemaker is a week application. You ought to think about changing
over to a Quark users group.  Using Pagemaker instead of Quark is like using
SuperPaint instead of Freehand or Illustrator

Each artist chooses to use the tools that best suit them. Arguing
          Quark versus pagemaker is like arguing this sable brush
          versus that sable brush. Both will apply paint to the
          canvas, but it is the artist who must assess balance and
          weight, drag and how long each individual brush holds it
          point. As long as the PageMaker "brush" meets our needs and
          feels right in our hands, we will continue to use it. Thanks
          for your *insight* though.
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Subject:      test message

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     13-Apr-1992 11:13am CDT
                                        From:     Gayle L. Bibisi
                                                  GBIBISI
                                        Dept:     Grahics & Arts Printing
                                        Tel No:   528-5059

TO:  Remote NJE Network User              ( _JNET%PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS )


Subject: test message

This is a test for the pagemakr list.
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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: What's the major things in PM Mac 4.2 that's new?
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

Systen 7 savvy including
 apple events
 balloon help
 stationery pads
 32-bit addressing
 publish and subscribe
Aldus additions
Included additions are:
 two-up printing
 drop cap (that doesn't work all that well)
 and some other things
 booklet maker
 display pub info
 run script (reviewers say it's a crude version)
 sort pages

Interruptible screen redraw (an important feature that speeds your work)

On-screen control palette

New indexing and preferences commands

New baseline leading method and column balancing (I think)

aldus preprint 1.5 included free

Hotlink to Aldus Freehand

Better printer driver files

Dictionary editor

multiple pasting
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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: grit (or is it "gritt")
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Gee, Mike, what's the point?
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From:         John Mark Mitchell <91463@TAYLORU.BITNET>
Subject:      Scanners?

        I realize that this has very little impact on PageMaker inthusiast
        but I thought that those of you who are desktop publishing gurus
        might be a ble to lend some wisdom.  I am looking for suggestions
        for a good, reliable, well designed scanner that has a resolution
        scan of 600 dpi of better.  My boss will be asking me thursday what
        scanner to buy so if you could offer any info...I would greatly
        appreciate it.


                                                John Mitchell
                                                Taylor University
                                                Upland, Indiana
                                                91463@TaylorU.Bitnet
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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Stop.
X-To:         SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU

Speaking of fascism. Oh well. Look Reid, with a name like yours you ought to
enjoy these tasty conversations.

 By the way, where did you see something about ignorance in my signature. Never
mind, please don't respond.

This is going to you personally, not over the net, so don't get overheated.
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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Bad Table Error?
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

Hi,
Because this is a mac, I'm not sure the file allocation table statement is true.
DOS computers use that system, but I think it's different with Macintoshes. I
think the message has something to do with an internal Pagemaker function. Wish
I could be of more help.
Monte Olsen
Oregon State University
Agricultural Communications
Rainy and cold Corvallis (Corn Valley), Oregon
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From:         "I couldah been ah contendah..." <PEAKE@UNCA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: My name is Stuart Weissman and I am a graphic Artist at
              Montclair

>State.  Pagemaker is a week application. You ought to think about changing
>over to a Quark users group.  Using Pagemaker instead of Quark is like using
>SuperPaint instead of Freehand or Illustrator

Mebbe so, but no one on this list uses Quark, or they wouldn't be here in the
first place. Not to start a flame war, but I just bought a 5-pack bundle of
PageMaker 4.02 for less than the list price of _one_ Quark, which doesn't come
with any sort of academic discount that I could find.

peake@uncavx.unca.edu

The opinions expressed above came directly from God in a dream. I thank you.
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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: current versions....
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Cindy,
I read in MacWeek that Aldus is attempting to switch to an object oriented
programming mode that will enable it to release PM versions fairly concurrently.
I'm not sure what that bodes for the current release, but Aldus apparently is
trying to close the gap between software releases for the two platforms.

Also, Aldus is apparently shopping for a buyer, and there are apparently some
big money types out there looking at the company. Not sure what that will mean
for future PM releases either. Some people think it bodes well.
Regards,
Monte Olsen
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:38:44 -0400
From:         Michael Stoner <mstoner@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      grit (or is it "gritt")

In re: Quark vs. PM, Monte says:

Actually,
You have to respect the grit of anybody who'll get on a Pagemaker SIG and
blast
the SIG's very reason for existence. Maybe I can use that same attitude
when I
ask for a raise!


I say, no! I think that our frend wood like you to respct his gritt. Or
grite. Or grittee, maybe.

Michael Stoner
internet: mstoner@pucc.princeton.edu
BITNET: mstoner@pucc
phone: 609.258.5764
fax: 609.258.2809
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:13:00 EST
From:         "SO MUCH E-MAIL, SO LITTLE TIME" <STONEC@IUBACS.BITNET>
Subject:      having any new text typed be in the style you want...

I've often wondered over the past six years or so of PM use, why my articles
always came into PM with a style of NO STYLE.  I always had to select the text
tool, then select all, then apply body text to the bulk of my articles.  By
complete accident I learned that I can run down the TYPE menu with my mouse and
by stopping onthe STYLES side menu, I can select body text there.  This permits
anything new that I place to come in automatically as my pre-defined body text.
Also, anytime I grab the text tool, and type out of the pasteboard, it's
already in body text style.....

Am I behind the times, and the rest of you have known this for years?  I just
want to do less typing, and less selecting whenever possible, this permits me
to save lots of time when I"m bringing in lots of little files into hokey
newsleters.

Happy PM'ing -- Cindy Stone

stonec@iubacs
stonec@ucs.indiana.edu
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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pages and printing
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

Hi,
PM 4.2 enables you to sort through pages and put them in any order you want.
This feature isn't available in earlier versions. I think you're talking about
printing "two up." PM's sort command should allow you to drag the pages to the
respective positions you need to accomplish that.

Otherwise, you could try this:
1. create the pages seperately in whatever order you want;

2. Make sure you have entered the correct page size in the Page Setup dialogue
box.

3.  Print the pages and then paste them by hand onto single 8 1/2 by 11 inch
dummies in the correct order.

Or you might try this:

1.  Keep the page at 8 1/2 by 11 before you start laying out the pages;

2.  On your master pages, place a guide that divides the pages in half at the
appropriate point.

3.  Make sure you have the correct number of pages appearing in the document
before you start placing files.

4.  When you place the file, do so manually, leave autoflow off. Then place the
text in the correct order you need to produce "two up" pages. Start on the top
half of each page, working from left to right. You might want to select Facing
Pages from the Page Setup dialogue box as an additional aid.

5.  Place the text in the order you need across the top and then the bottom
halves of the pages to correctly sequence the pages for "two up" printing.

6.  It would probably help to make a pencil dummy of your pages before doing
this with Pagemaker to ensure that you place the text in the correct order.

Hope this makes sense and helps. Hope it works too. I haven't tried it yet.

Regards,

Monte
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From:         JFINERAN@BMGTMAIL.UMD.EDU
Subject:      Re: Graphics
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Is it possible to flip graphics vertically and horizontally in MAC PM
4.2.?  What is the simpliest way to do this?  I am trying to create a
border.

Many thanks.

Jeanne Fineran
Oper. Mgr., Office of Computing Services
College of Bus. & Mgmt.-Univ. of MD at College Park 20742
301-405-2266      JFINERAN@BMGTMAIL.umd.edu
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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: 2 up printing
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

Someone earlier had asked how they could download postscript files that were
printed to diskto a postscript printer. There are several utilities available
for this. One is called SENDPS and is available on some of the internet nodes.
I think it's either freeware or shareware but don't know for sure.
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Subject: Re: current versions....
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:54:32 GMT
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Summary: PageMaker for os2?

Does anyone know if Aldus is preparing a 32-bit version of
PageMaker for os2? Any projected release date?

Thanks - Bob Sinkewicz
roberts@epas.utoronto.ca
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From:         "Jim Kelly, Publications Center" <KELLY@UTKVX.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      downloading postscript to printer
X-To:         pagemakr@indycms.iupui.edu

Included with Adobe fonts is a utility called "Font Downloader" which can be
used to send postscript files to a postscript printer.
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From:         "Adam Conn, Valuable Viable Software" <ACONN@PEARL.TUFTS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: how about PM 4.2 under system 6.0.5...
X-To:         PAGEMAKR@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU

You won't be able to do neat funky things, like subscribe and such, and I'm not
sure how well 4.2 translates down, since it plays with Apple Events.

You might want to upgrade to 6.0.8 in order to play it safe--it is a little
more like 7.0 than 6.0.7 (and such), but is still true 6.

What INITs do you have in 6? They might be usable in 7.01.

--Adam
*loved 7.0 from the day he got 7.0b4*
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From:         PHELLANDER@F.ITD.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Word 5 and PM4

Can anyone inform me if files from Word 4 (mac)5 (Mac) can be imported to
 the
last but one version of PM? i.e. PM4.1 (I think) this issue may have been
touched upon, but I have only just joined the group so I missed out.
Thanks in advance.

Paul Hellander
University of Adelaide
South Australia
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:39:18 CDT
From:         "Doris M. Bornhoeft" <BORNHOEF@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 2 up printing
              15 Apr 1992 15:17:57 PDT from <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>

You could also use the LaserWriter Utility that comes with
System 7 to download a postscript file to the printer.

Doris Bornhoeft
University of North Dakota
bornhoef@vm1.nodak.edu
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From:         ADTT000 <ADTT@NMUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      PRINT POSTSCRIPT FILE

About question printing postscript file.

Have you tried SendPS by Adobe Systems? It's for downloading
postscript over AppleTalk.  I've used it to print out Ventura
publications that a fellow worker has when his printer was on the
fritz, and it did the job of letting us see a printed document.

Tony Tollefson
Northern Michigan University
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From:         "Monte B. Olsen" <olsenm@CCMAIL.ORST.EDU>
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Good luck Paul. Put a shrimp on the barbee for me!
Monte
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From:         "Darryl G. Hosford" <dhosfor@ATL.CALSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Windows 3.1 and pagemaker
X-To:         pagemakr@indycms.iupui.edu

Hello Windows (PC) pagemakers!

I am wondering if any of you know about any new Pagemaker version for
Windows 3.1.  Our Mac friends have been talking about PM4.2 etc, but I
only hear about the Mac....  What is the word about Windows updates
(for pagemaker)?  Does anyone know features, etc?  Thanks

Darryl		<dhosfor@atl.calstate.edu>
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Subject:      Re: Graphics
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Jeanne,

If you are using a Apple Laserwriter driver, Under Page Setup there should be
a options button. From there you can flip images.

Is that wot you want?

Richard Y.	Youngr@bfsvax.maf.govt.nz
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