From: brendt@dip2.ee.uct.ac.za (Brendt Wohlberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Just a thought - [subject deleted]
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:40:39 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
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llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius) writes:
:   In article <1992Nov15.194214.17201@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> brendt@dip2.ee.uct.ac.za (Brendt Wohlberg) writes:
:   >pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
:   >: In article <1992Nov13.114312.1892@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> brendt@dip2.ee.uct.ac.za (Brendt Wohlberg) writes:
:   >: >pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
:   >: > 
:   [ stuff deleted..]
:   >
:   >You really are being a melodramatic little twit. "Launched a man hunt" -
:   >that really is amusing. I notice you didn't mention that you'd used pseudonyms
:   >in your initial posting - I guess you just forgot?  
:   
:   You probably missed the next post from Makala in which he DID mention that
:   he used pseudonyms, whereupon some guy (you?) proceeded to call him a liar...
:   Oh no! you didn't miss it, you chose to ignore it (see your statement below)...

I didn't miss the next post from him; it just seemed suspiciously like an 
attempt at covering himself in case someone did check if the people he
mentioned were actually UCT students. There's far more evidence of Mweene's
untrustworthiness than just his use of false names.

   
:   >And here is a simple answer - I personally doubt that you do in fact have any
:   >`contacts' at UCT - your lying about their names confirms this. If you were
:   >honestly trying to protect someone you would have admitted that they were 
:   >pseudonyms immediately, instead of only once you had been caught out. 
:   >
:   > 

   [stuff deleted]
   
:   >Do you understand what freedom of speech is? It does not include the freedom
:   >to slander individuals and institutions. I personally hope that UCT considers
:   >legal action against you for your blatantly false claims. This is unlikely
:   
:   If the UCT admin "considers legal action" against Makala, my suggestion would
:   be that the admin should be fired pronto...

As I pointed out, despite being slanderous, his claims are so silly they're 
hardly likely to be believed by anybody.
   
:   >though, it not being worthwhile since so few people are likely to believe you
:   >claims. You can rant on as much as you like about people e-mailing you in
:   >support, but there hasn't been one posting here supporting your claims, and your
:   >'fear the authorities' bit hardly works for people outside SA.
:   
:   [...]
:   
:   So far, only a handful of people from SA have come close to addressing the
:   issues Makala raised, the rest have just been ranting about Makala's
:   personality and such like...

It's quite clear that even he doesn't believe half the stuff he's been posting.
Considering this, I hardly think there's any reason to 'address the issues' 
that he raised, even if one could exctract them from his incoherent drivel.

:  if Makala is as all guys claim he is, why are
:   you all so touchy? 

I've noticed a number of (black) Africans being similarly touchy about what 
they consider attacks on their culture. If someone from here started claiming
that black Africans are all cannibals and consider children a delicacy would
you consider that 'an issue to be discussed?' 

:   Surprise some of us for once by ignoring the personal
:   attacks and address the issues that are raised...

If you've been reading s.c.a for a while you'll realise this is the third time
Mweene has brought up this 'blacks aren't allowed access to Internet in SA' 
story. Do you really believe his claim that black students at UCT are called
'kaffir' in class? Do you still wonder why he has been accused of being a 
liar?

Nobody here has denied that there are a small number of black South Aficans 
with access to Internet. The reasons for this have been discussed before, but
if you consider this a worthwile issue to discuss again, go ahead. There is
however, a big difference between this issue and what Mweene has been going
on about - posting blatant lies is a very strange way of starting off an
honest discussion as far as I'm concerned.

As a matter of interest though, how much of Mweene's recent posting about
UCT did you believe?

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