From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,soc.misc,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Facts"
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:01:20 GMT
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

In article <1992Apr13.203813.19355@techbook.com> gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane) writes:

# ># >   # How so?  Do you mean to imply that the Zionist terrorism was
# ># >   # _completely_ ineffectual against the British?  Nonsense.
 
# ># >	   Zionist resistance played a part.  Zionist terrorism, for the most
# ># >   part (there were minor exceptions) was (as it still is now) a figment
# ># >   of some propagandists' imaginations.
 
# ># Make up your mind.  First it was not a reason at all, now it did play
# ># a part.
 
# >	Instead of telling others to make up their mind, why do not you
# >read.  The small amount of actual Jewish terrorism did not play any
# >role in the British leaving.  Legitimate Jewish resistance did.
 
# ># And your characterization of Zionist terrorism merely shows your
# ># ignorance.
 
# >	Nope, but some of what you characterize as Zionist teerrorism does
# >show your ignorance.
 
# ># You should read your history books about King David Hotel,
 
# >	Which was not a terrorist act.
 
# ># the assassinations of Lord Moyne, Count Bernadotte,
 
# >	I doubt that these acts played a significant role.
 
# ># and many
# ># significant Zionist terrorist actions in the 1929-1948 period.  Hardly
# ># minor exceptions.

# >	What is a minor exception are those actions taken by ZIonists
# >during that period that were terrorist actions.
 
# Aha!  Now we begin to get the idea.  If an act of resistance (such as
# blowing up a hotel serving as British headquarters and killing innocent
# Arabs, Jews and British) is committed by Zionists, it is NOT terrorism.
# If a similar act, of course, was committed by Palestinians (note,
# Makowsky, no cute ?) then it would be a heinous terrorist act.

	Not at all.  I suggest you do two things.  Go read about what
actually happened at the King David hotel (and why it had to happen),
and shut up when you do not know what you are talking about.

# ># >   # >   Do you know what percentage of Israel was contained in the Sinai?
 
# ># >   # 0%.  The Sinai was never considered to be part of Israel by the world
# ># >   # community.  That was a trick question, funny huh.
 
# ># >	   What the world community considered it was irelevent.  How would
# ># >   you like it if the world community refused to recognize your property
# ># >   rights to your own home?  
 
# This is a very good question.  Turn it around, Makowsky, how would you
# feel if you were a Palestinian Arab in Jaffa in 1947.  The United
# Nations tells you that your home is actually in the Jewish state. How
# would you like it?

	Well, they did not do this.  At any rate, claiming the home was in
a certain state is not the same as taking possesion of the home.

# ># And here we see the image of arrogance.  World opinion be damned,
 
# >	Great way to respond.  You did not even address my point.
 
# ># Israel took the Sinai from Egypt, and that's it.  Luckily Begin was
# ># more flexible than you appear to be.
 
# >	Which was one of his few mistakes.
 
# ># Answer me this:  How many Jews
# ># lived in the Sinai in 1966?  Then tell me that it was the home of Israel.
 
# >	This is irelevent.  Israel payed for the Sinai with its blood in
# >defensive struggles.  And then gave it back.  This has happened more then
# >once, by the way.
 
# ?? Some clear examples, please.
 
	1956.

# And please, explain your relationship to Gush Emunim.

	What makes you think I have a relationship with them?  It is none
of your busines, but I am not associated with them in any way.

# Just out of
# curiosity, what are the real borders of Greater Israel?
 
	First of all I laugh when people use the term "Greater Israel".  I
do not know what you are talking about.  Apparently "Greater Israel"
is supposed to be a translation of "Eretz Yisrael".  It does not even
come close.

	Just out of curiousity, what are the real borders of Greater
United States?  Or if you wish, what are the borders of the United
States?
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David Makowsky
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
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