From: kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920)
Subject: DC: You just can't ...
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:38:38 GMT

... back off can you.  You are the most verbose person I have ever encountered.
Not only that but your talent for embellishment is unparalleled.  Let me
calmly address the issues you seem so confused about.  Just in case I have
misled you in someway:

1) Fantasizing about rape is sick.  When I say rape I mean true rape.  That is
   person A forces person B to engage in one or more sex acts against person
   B's will.  No consent involved before, during or after.

2) Watching films with rape scenes (rape being defined above) for the sole
   purpose of enjoying the rape scene is sick.

3) Fantasizing about killing people in a war (or any other circumstance) is
   sick.  This means killing people for the fun of it.  Not killing people
   in order to prevent them from killing you or others that you care about.
   War heros are not heros because they kill people.  They are heros because
   they are willing to sacrifice their own lives for the common good and
   demonstrate this in some way.  In most instances this does involve ending
   the lives of other human beings.  Who is to say that those people aren't
   heros too?  Certainly not me.  Indeed the art of war and military history
   are topics to which I have devoted no small amount of time.  I revere
   the sacrifices made by all fighting men (women).  Not just those that become
   heros or get killed in the process.  I don't however go around fantasizing
   about becoming a hero at the expense of other peoples lives.  That is
   sick no doubt.

4) Watching war films for the sole purpose of enjoying the death and dest-
   ruction is sick just like watching rape scenes as above.

5) Killing people sometimes prevents other people from dying.  It sometimes
   is needed in order to promote the common good.  In war killing others
   is normally a dangerous occupation.  When a person puts his (her) own life
   in danger in such a situation, in order to protect others, it is in my
   opinion a noble act.  I believe most people would agree.  I could be
   wrong about that last part but I know how I feel.  RAPE however, NEVER
   protects anyone, nor does it promote the common good.  It doesn't promote
   anything good.  All it does is hurt.  That is the difference.

6) There is a plethora of socially unacceptable subjects which I don't think
   are good things to fantazise about.  Many of which in my opinion are 
   sick big time.  Rape just happens to be at the top of my list.

7) I would rather blindly attack the problem of rape in our society than sit
   around waiting for something to happen while people like yourself go
   right on compiling lists of flicks with rape scenes and telling people it
   is a-ok to have fantasies about forcing another person to have sex with
   them.

8) I'll only tell you this one time.  Leave my wife out of your post.  I can
   assure you that I am serious on this point.  I am deadly serious.  You are
   welcome to attack me all you want.  But leave her out of it.  To answer
   your question, if my wife has such fantasies (I am sure she doesn't) she
   wouldn't be able to tell me or anyone else about it.  Regardless of how we
   would react.  You see DC, rape can do that sort of thing to you.  After
   3 different animals force you to have sex with them every day from age 6
   to age 13, well it's a little tough to talk about.  Even to yourself.
   Especially when they tell you what a piece of garbage you are, that you're
   a whore etc, etc.  It takes professional help to get better.  Now I know
   that I originally mentioned my wife in this group.  I was attempting to
   make folks understand why I feel like I do.  Maybe it was a mistake.  But
   regardless let me warn you not to mention her again.  I mean it.  Just
   don't do it man.

9) No I don't know why I would defend a women more readily than a man.  I
   guess it's because I like women more that men.  I kinda feel like a man
   should be able to take more punishment than a women too.  Generally speak-
   ing of course.  PLEASE ladies (if any are reading this) don't get pissed.

A) I don't agree with your cause and effect analysis.  They are obsurd.  How-
   ever I don't have the energy to counter them right now.  Need an infusion
   of Lo Mein (chicken I think, need the protein).

KimmyD


P.S.: I didn't look over this for spelling errors etc.  Please excuse.
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