HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gilles@well.sf.ca.us (Gilles Poitras)
Subject: Re: Mondo makes me wretch
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 15:51:31 GMT


What about electronic zines. I get Digital Underground Digest and Phrack.
But what else is out there?
Don't let Mondo get to ya, I don't like it but what we have to do is do
things and talk to people, including about what we don't like about Mondo.
One problem I see with Mondo is that they put all their effort on the cyber
with no punk, also no technical section. I have often, including to them,
refered to Mondo as techno-hippie.
As to what to do: Find out what people in your area are doing & join in,
promote good zines to local stores, especially since f5 has published _The
World of Zines_ which is a great source of info. Contact good zines, many
have email addressed printed, and find out who distributes them & pass the
info, in the form of the distributors catalog to your local mag source.
I've promoted 2600 here in Berkeley & SF and it is selling well, Cody's is
going through over 100 copies per issue. Present an alternative to Mondo and
those who are not out for a fashion statment will go for it.
Mondo does have great interviews however.
Enuf ranting <fo now>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: Hello everyone, we are BORG?
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:58:34 GMT

In article <anonymus+3350.72@GODIVA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU>, anonymus+3350@GODIVA.NECTAR.CS.CMU.EDU (Cyborg Ranger (INTELLIGENCE SCOUT)) writes:
> Hello there, I am 37 of 45.
> 
> We refer to ourselves as the BORG. I speak for the collective. We are 
> looking for information on hacking, cyberpunk, and cyberculture. We also 
> want to establish communications with other groups so that we can contribute 
> information, articles, and more.
> 
> Information is public property. The BORG will help everyone have access to 
> information. When the BORG get enough money, we plan to create a BBS and 
> hopefully a FTP site. We know that it will be expensive, so we are looking 
> for ways to make money with the FTP site.
> 
> We want to learn and contribute. We are diverse in our opinions and welcome 
> all views and pieces of information.
> 
> Thank you
> #37
> 
> ***********************************************************************
> Cyborg Ranger * Open the networld and become one with it * #37 ********
> ***********************************************************************

Check out the New BBS idea article over on alt.cyberpunk..
Or send email to broefomg@hitech.newark.nj.us
and ask for more info..
Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu
From: verge@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: Aesthetics for the 21st Century
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 18:56:51 PST
Reply-To: verge@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Aesthetics for the 21st Century:

1. Small is beautiful.
2. Novelty and choice against impact and resources.
3. Return what you take.
4. Repair what you damage.
5. Build to last.
6. Fill a need, not create one.
7. Form follows function.
8. Self-containment.
9. Ease of use saves.
10. You are responsible.


__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ verge@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]
From: "david blumenstein" <david.blumenstein@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
Subject: cyber literature
Date: 26 Dec 92 03:43:33 EST
Reply-To: "david blumenstein" <david.blumenstein@execnet.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Executive Networks Information

just got finished reading the HACKER CRACKDOWN by Sterling and it
just doesn't compare to CYBERPUNK by Katie Hafner and John
Markoff.

a few years back Emmanuel Goldstein spoke at my user group in New
York and he gave me a copy of some magazine called 2600. from the
looks of it the issue I scanned had a lot to do with telephones

please furnish me with a list of books and periodicals which do
not conform to society's stereotype of the hacker as a fiend,
and social deviant.

if you are on the internet you can send messages to me at the
following address: (MCI MAIL GATEWAY) 395-0935@mcimail.com

thank a lot and I look forward to your replies
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: Michael_Hilgers@k.maus.de (Michael Hilgers)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Phone/SSN and Danger
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 23:42:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14D/hb

In an article Michael Adams (nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu) wrote:
n>
n>What I can see in the future is that your phone number will be the same
n>as your Social Security Number, and that you will have it were ever you
n>go, so no matter where you are you will be found and called.. Especially
n>if the total-net comes about. Total-net is where all transactions are
n>handled thru a central databank, therefore if you geta  room in Kuwait,
n>your location will be identified and all calls to you willbe sent to
n>your physical location nad not your home, since you are not at home..
n>Sorry if my vision is unclear, I get wierd ides at times.. Maybe in the
n>future you will have to identify yourself by either retina, finger or by
n>your phone/social sex number to use a phone so therefore the person on
n>the other end will know who you are, even if they don't know you..
n>Imagine a world were someone always knows where you are? Auswitz here we
n>come..
n>
n>Michael Adams
n>Alias: Morgoth or Ghost Wheel
n>nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu

It sounds horrible to me. I wish it would never become true.

I wish you a happy New Year

Michael

michael_hilgers@K.maus.de
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (hackers schmackers)
Subject: Agr1ppa + Agrippa and 2morr0 'n' Tomorr0 & Tomorrow
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 22:12:04 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, andras@well.sf.ca.us said about 'Agr1ppa on
Mindvox yet and CDC': 
|
|   obscure@mindvox.phantom.com (Paul Leonard) writes:
|
||  ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (the original k-r0dent) writes:
||
||  >
||  > At least a few cDc people are on MindVox...I imagine it'd be there
||  > first if your anxious for some e-text christmas present....
||  >
||  > happ-E holi-daze.....
||  >
||  > --
||  >
||  >     ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu              FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
||  >     ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com	    future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
||  >
||
||  I am on Mindvox as a member of cDc. The complete archives of the cult are
||  available on mindvox under /archives/cyberspace/journals/cDc. The set is
||  complete except for cDc's #69 & #86 which were both apple II format
||  archives of the previous files & hence non-essential. As soon as new
||  releases are available they will be found on MindVox & ftp.eff.org
||  /pub/cud/cDc, as well as on the K-c0w Force distribution points & Demon
||  Roach Underground.
||
||  Obscure Images
||  cDc Cyberspace Corps Of Engineers
|
|Could someone tell me if the Agr1ppa text was released on christmas eve
|like it was supposed to be, also could someone post it or tell where on
|mindvox it is?

AGR1PPA 2.01 - NEW & IMPROVED (Fixes Bugs from Version 2.00)
(A Book of The Mentally Disturbed -- Even FUNNIER than the original!)
Text by US@phantom.com
Etching by THOSE_PEOPLE@phantom.com
(C)1992 THE POWER COMPUTER (In My Mind Since 1979)
syberspa(e
All Bytes Preserved
 
AGRIPPA
(A Book of The Dead)
Text by William Gibson
Etchings by Dennis Ashbaugh
(C)1992 Kevin Begos Publishing
1411 York Ave.
New York, NY
All Rights Reserved

both of these are avilabale right now, in the here-and-now present of
the time-space continuum, by sending mail to

	future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu

 and requesting

	'send agrippa' or 'send agr1ppa' 

in the subject/b0d-e....

it's not an infallable system, so if you don't get a cop-e via this
method, the ROM constructs of the NET have v00d00d your terminal, and
you weren't meant to overcome this Freudian nightmare.....

works 99% of the time for the hallucination generation

|what is CDC?

Read much?

	(subconscious puns intended)


Merr-e X-mas and hap-e h0li-daze.....

--

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Re: DEA, Secret Service, Brain Loss.
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:58:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.195354.28204@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (aristotle) writes:
> Somewhere in Cyberspace, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu said about 'DEA,
> Secret Service, Brain Loss.': 
> 
> |The DEA is a bunch of crooks, who as law enforcement could not find their way
> |out of paper bag..  Unless you gave them a joint to get out..
> 
> Womp-wooooommmmp.
> 
> So nice of you to stereotype, lump them altogether.
> 
> |Same with the Secret Service.. They are both organizations who have little
> |respect for constitutional rights of free americans.. If your not a member of
> |their nifty organization (themselves or the President/Congress) your nothing..
> |
> |I would not put it before them to deliberately to  seize property of a politic
> |opponent for the gains of their masters/mistresses.. 
> 
> It is this type of conjecture that only serves to increase their image
> (illusion?) of power.  If you are going to make statements like this,
> please bak them up with fact, such as the Secret Service and Operation
> Sundevil in 1990, in which there were obvious violations of rights
> were commited.  For a lot more info., from a variety of sources, on
> Op. Sundevil, I refer you to ftp.eff.org.  Look in /EFF, /SJG,
> /pub/cud/*, and most importantly get the Index and grep it for
> sundevil. There one can find out the myths and the facts about
> Sundevil, and destroy pointless ungrounded opinions.

True.. Why make them more powerful than they think they are.
OR have other think that the DEA and Secret Service are actually worth the real
time to talk about them, and must not let people know how much of a bunch of
yahoos they are..
> 
> BTW, you do know the history of the Internet, don't you?  Wouldn't
> want a file started on you in some basement government computer just
> because you posted unfounded opinions to the net.
> 

Well I already have a file on me, just will not tell where it is.. <grin>

> |Michael Adams
> |Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
> |nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
> 
> --
> 
>     ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
>     ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
> 
John Q. Public
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From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: makecash
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 16:40:44 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

alan.strang@the-matrix.com (Alan Strang)  writes:

>                                         December 22, 1992
> 
>                        INSTRUCTIONS
> 
> Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you
> will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours.

Does the term fraud, or perhaps Ponzi Scheme, ring any bells?  Couldn't
you have at least waited until Jan. 1, so you could be the first putz of
1993, instead of the last putz of 1992?

> ---
>  . SLMR 2.1a . Makes you want to blow the stars from the sky.

Well, that clears it up, then!
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
           "I used to be disgusted, but now I'm just amused."
                                  -- from an old T-shirt
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: brownt@seq.uncwil.edu (brown todd francis)
Subject: Re: floatation tanks
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:01:49 GMT

oly@emerson.physics.ubc.ca writes:

>Hello everyone,
>		Does anyone have any info regarding floatation tanks, things  
>like construction, prefab units for sale, other peoples experiences etc.  
>Basically any info at all.


Sure, I have some info.  Anything in particular?

First of all, why are you interested in floating?  Much of the 
same states can be induced with the ganzfield effect of sensory
deprivation - cheap and easily.

For creating the ganzfield "blank-out effect", cut two ping-pong
balls in half and cellophane the halves (sans logo) over your eyes.
Lie under a red light source and keep your eyes open.  Soon your
visual center will go black even though your eyes are open and
receiving info...  This is a well documented effect of visual
sensory deprivation.  Expanded states of awareness ensue.  You can
also add audio ganzfield by listening to white noise in headphones.
White noise can be taped between radio stations.

For more info about the Ganzfield, write for Monograph No. 17,
"Exploring Psi in the Ganzfield" by Carl L Sargent

PARAPSYCHOLOGY FOUNDATION INC
228 EAST 71ST STREET
NEW YORK NY 10021

For more info about floating, see:

_Center of the Cyclone_  Dr. John C Lilly
_The Book of Floating:  Exploring the Private Sea_ Michael Hutchison

"Flotation Tank Information Package" $5 from:

		  Tools for Exploration
		  4460 Redwood Highway Suite 2
		  San Rafael CA 94903

_Chrysalis:  Build Your Own Float Tank_ Peter Reich ($40 see above)



Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (hawkeye)
Subject: Re: floatation tanks
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 00:20:06 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, oly@emerson.physics.ubc.ca said about
'floatation tanks': 
|Hello everyone,
|		Does anyone have any info regarding floatation tanks, things  
|like construction, prefab units for sale, other peoples experiences etc.  
|Basically any info at all.

I like that this was posted to alt.cyberpunk, but, you might want to
try over in alt.consciousness.....

If you want a quick-n-easy imitation, get a bathtub, install some shower
doors that are very tight (ie, you can fill a bit over the tub and
they won't spill), fill the tub, turns off the lights to pitchblack,
relax, and pump in some UFOrb on the side of the tub (below the waterline)

I do this at least once every couple weeks, and always have great
experiences - memories are *real* vivid, it's easy to lose yourself in
your subjective unvconscious self, etc.  Of course, psychedelics
always help, too, and this whole thing would make more sense if you're
a knowledgable tripper....

|________________________________________________________
|B.Olav Anderson
|CyberSurfer
|NeXT Mail Accepted--> e-mail oly@emerson.physics.ubc.ca
|
|"The Years Teach Much What The Days Never Know"
|	R.W.Emerson
|	
|"The Essence of Being is Becoming"
|	Heraclitus
|
|"How can a man be weak who dares to be at all?"
|	H.D.Thoreau

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    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: pacoid@wixer.cactus.org (Paco Xander Nathan)
Subject: Re: Mondo makes me retch
Organization: FringeWare Inc., +1 512 477 1366
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 18:16:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.184258@vinnie.cuc.ab.ca> jonathan@vinnie.cuc.ab.ca (Jonathan Levine) writes:
>I don't find Mondo quite that offensive... but then, I don't consider it
>a c-punk zine, either.  Why don't you try reading alt.zines ?  I'd 
>recommend "Virus 23", put out by some friends of mine up here in Alberta.

But _Virus23_ had sent out a "last issue" - are they back in publication??
Tis good news..  Also check out _bOING-bOING_, _Cybervision_, _The And_,
etc. at an alternative bookstore/newsstand..

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: bmyers@well.sf.ca.us (Bryan L. Myers)
Subject: Eye Movements
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:23:35 GMT


I've been able to get good eye movement identification with
the old EOG (electro-oculogram, electrophysiology, polygraph)
method.  You need at least four `trodes per eye.  Granted, the
vertical is not that great; but, it`s usable.  This method can
be ambulatory, too (instead of having to have a large polygraph
around your neck you can wear a microprocessor on your belt).
The cost of this would be less than $10,000.  If you want more
info, then e-mail me and I'll provide more of the details.
Cyberly, TeknoThor (bmyers@well.sf.ca.us) 12.22.92
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (aristotle)
Subject: Re: Caller ID? NOT! Divergent Human Evolution.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:56:35 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu said about 'Caller ID?
NOT! Divergent Human Evolution.': 
|Divergent human evolution. A world were some have tech and other do not..
|Were some have money and others do not.. IT will be interesting to see how
|people handle being plugged in, and how some handle not being plugged in?
|Will humans start to diverge into different sub-groups or maybe cyberpunk
|species? Where will humans be in say 200 years? What new addictions will we
|have, also new ways to handle reality? Also how far will people go to loose
|that dangling body of protoplasm and flesh, and how far will people go into
|becoming linked into a computer.. Imagine a person who looses their body and
|becomes a natural AI? Also what will be changed in humans..

Stelarc exists now, for future-historical note A.

|Michael Adams
|Alias: Morgoth/Ghost Wheel 
|nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:28:20 GMT

>My wife (a former telecom industry employee) told me three interesting items
>about CNID and CNID blocking.
>
>1) You have to subscribe to the CNID service to get blocking.
>2) CNID blocking is for all calls. i.e. there is no way to temporarily turn
>   it off like *70 for call waiting.
>3) Your number is CNID'd even if you don't have the CNID service

It is different in all areas. The only one true everywhere is #3.. If CNID
will show people from your area then it will show you, if yourself subscribe
or not.  Remember, every prefix is different, just because 202-451 for
example may show up on CNID doesn't mean 202-679 will.

#1 is wrong in most areas. In fact, in Canada that would be illegal (BC at
least)... The phone company has been forced to provide *67 blocking for free
and to anyone who requests it.

#2 changes all the time. Here it's off unless I turn it on for a call, that
could be because it's against their wishes and they want to make it hard to
use to keep people from getting it... The only way to tell is to ask your
phone company.


P.S. If they give you a number shortly after it was a bussiness # and you get
calls constantly then they will give you a new one.. I'm not sure if it's
policy or law but the phone company here will change #s for free in such
cases.

--

Clayten_Hamacher@Mindlink.bc.ca                 Land of the rising snow.
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com (Brian Willoughby)
Subject: Re: Couldn't control my own phone (Re: Caller ID block?)
Reply-To: BrianW@SoundS.WA.com
Organization: SoundSoftware, Bellevue, WA, USA
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 09:14:27 GMT

Chad Helfenberger writes
| In article <BzJwtG.4pL@sounds.wa.com> BrianW@SoundS.WA.com writes:
| >Well, it wasn't as simple as "*poof* they're gone" for me!
[I was talking about an Alabama resident pestering me in Washington]
| 
| It may not be as simple as 'poof', but you CAN take legal action with 
| harassing phone callers.  No need for CNID either.

The policeman who showed up at the door regarding my complaint could not take  
any action.

| >...  And the police have  
| >no jurisdiction with out of state callers...
| 
| So you're saying that the person can get away with it legally, right?  
| Wrong.  You can have this person charged.

Sure, I filled out papers for a restraining order to prevent this person from  
trying to contact me in person, but they cannot be served until he crosses the  
state line into Washington.

| >...
| 
| At this point, you should have called the telephone company.

I did call the phone company first.  They sent me to the police, who sent an  
officer to explain how little legal recourse I had against someone currently in  
Alabama.

| >...
| 
| I don't think you can prove a case of harrassment calling with a CNID box.  
| You HAVE to contact the phone company.  CNID is NOT for tracing calls.

You're probably right.  I would have been happy just to program my  
computer/phone/anything to just ignore him instead even bothering with any  
legal action.

Hey, if you know anything which can be done with out-of-state phone harassment,  
please let me know the details.

Actually, I'm far more interested in hearing talk of chip numbers and circuit  
ideas for a quicky peripheral which can be plugged into my NeXT computer's  
serial ports which will disconnect my phone line (or at least prevent ringing)  
under program control (after CNID has been delivered to the computer).
-- 
Brian Willoughby	Software Design Engineer, BSEE NCSU
BrianW@SoundS.WA.com	Sound Consulting and Signal Processing Software
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