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From: davem@county.lmt.mn.org (David Mackmiller)
Subject: Re: DILBERT
Organization: LaserMaster R&D, Minneapolis, MN  USA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:25:09 GMT


A Dilbert that I had hanging up in my office recently:

Dilbert and a couple of other people standing in a co-worker's cubicle.

Dilbert: "We're sorry to hear about you getting laid off.  We figured that if a ten of 
your colleagues took a 10% pay cut, you could keep your job."

Co-worker: "Gosh, you guys would do that for me?"

Dilbert:  "No.  We're here to look at your office furniture."

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Yes, Dilbert has to grow on you.  It is not a visually appealing strip (unless you like 
simplicity), but the wit is as good as C&H.  It's one of the few strips that make me laugh 
aloud.
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From: davis@gauss.enet.dec.com (Peter Davis)
Subject: Re: Stuffed Hobbes?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:47:18 GMT


In article <bzbn2qg@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes...
>jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic) writes:
> 
>>> Bill Watterson has not authorized these t-shirts, and is not getting
>>> any compensation for them.  If you believe the creator has any right to
>>> control how his characters are used, then DON'T buy these t-shirts. 
>>
>> That's funny, I've seen Calvin & Hobbes T-shirts everywhere in Europe
>> and the motives are the same and so is the printing quality which is,
>> incidentally, quite good. 
> 
>I'm not sure how you can claim to know the motives of the people doing
>C&H bootlegs; as far as I can tell the only motive is a quick buck.
>

I think by "motives," jan_b means what we would call the motif, or design,
of the shirts.


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From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Is Charles Schultz senile? I think so.
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:15:26 GMT

tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

>Y'see, according to his biography, Universal plans to start rerunning
>Peanuts the day after Shultz' last original strip appears. It's guaranteed
>that no one else will take it over, a decision that Shultz' kids agree
>with. So I'm pretty sure that Shultz is still doing Peanuts; there's no
>point in anyone else doing it.

No kidding!  I hope they restart at the beginning, with "Good ol'
Charlie Brown...  How I hate him."  That sounds like a great idea.

-- 
Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
From: emru@CAM.ORG
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Stuffed Hobbes?
Date: 22 Aug 92 18:48:36 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

In article <1992Aug17.032326.23086@leland.Stanford.EDU> schmasey@leland.Stanford.EDU (Casey Carlton O'Hara) writes:
>A friend of mine is looking for a stuffed Hobbes.  Neither of us have
>seen one, and my basic question is.... does one exist?

Ain't no thing.  Watterson refuses to merchandise C&H beyond the books.

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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Is Charles Schultz senile? I think so.
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:01:07 GMT

In article <mcirvin.714870181@husc8> mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes:

>The most depressing thing about the aging and passing of comic- strip legends
>is that there are generally no qualms about putting another artist to work
>immediately on the strip the great one created.  There have been dark
>mutterings here that, in the case of Peanuts, this has in fact already
>happened: that Charles Shultz is not the current author of Peanuts.  Whether
>or not this is true, I suspect that Peanuts will continue without a break when
>Charles Shultz passes on.

Well, I'm sure that Peanuts will still appear on the comics page after
Shultz retires or dies...I'm also equally sure that Shultz is still doing
Peanuts and that no one else will take it up even after his retirement/death.

Y'see, according to his biography, Universal plans to start rerunning
Peanuts the day after Shultz' last original strip appears. It's guaranteed
that no one else will take it over, a decision that Shultz' kids agree
with. So I'm pretty sure that Shultz is still doing Peanuts; there's no
point in anyone else doing it.

"I got a rock." --Charlie Brown
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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From: bkr24@cas.org (Keith Rose)
Subject: BIBLIOGRAPHY: Misc. notes
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:54:05 GMT

I just posted the bibliographies for "Calvin and Hobbes," "For Better or For
Worse," "Foxtrot," and "Robotman." I put them together for selfish reasons
only -- I like them.  They may contain errors.  If so, please let me know.
Some contain "holes" in the form of missing information.  If you can provide
that information I would be grateful.  I am also open to suggestions
concerning format of the bibliographies.  Please send suggestions.

I am looking for volunteers to put together bibliographies for other comic
strip collections.  I would be happy to act as a repository for the
information and post it on a regular basis.  Some that I think would be
popular include "Doonesbury," "The Far Side," and "Herman."

Anyway, I hope that you find them useful.
--
Keith Rose (bkr24@cas.org)
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From: bkr24@cas.org (Keith Rose)
Subject: BIBLIOGRAPHY: For Better or For Worse
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:47:37 GMT

Following is a bibliography of "For Better or For Worse" collections by Lynn
Johnston.  As you can see, there are some holes in my information.  If
anybody has the information I lack, send me mail.  I will be updating and
posting this as need warrants.  Also, I have tried to list the books in
chronological order by release.  Since the only date I have is just the
year, and often more than one book is released in a year, the order might
be off.  If so, let me know.  Enjoy!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

For better or for worse / by Lynn Johnston

Title                                                   Pages     ISBN      Date
------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------- ----
I've Got the One-More-Washload Blues                     127  0-8362-1166-9 1981
Is This "One of Those Days," Daddy?                      127  0-8362-1197-9 1982
More Than a Month of Sundays                              84  0-8362-1218-5 1983
It Must Be Nice To Be Little                             127  0-8362-1113-8 1983
Just One More Hug                                        127  0-8362-2054-4 1984
Our Sunday Best                                           80  0-8362-2057-9 1984
The Last Straw                                           127  0-8362-2070-6 1985
Keep the Home Fries Burning                              124  0-8362-2080-3 1986
It's All Downhill from Here                              126  0-8362-2093-5 1987
Pushing 40                                               128  0-8362-1807-8 1988
A Look Inside -- FBOFW: The 10th Anniversary Collection  256  0-8362-1853-1 1989
If This is a Lecture, How Long Will It Be?               127  0-8362-1821-3 1990
It All Comes Out in the Wash (USA)                       ___  0-8125-0692-8 1990
It All Comes Out in the Wash (Canada)                    ___  0-8125-0693-6 1990
Grandpas are for Jumping On                              128  _-____-____-_ 1990
What, Me Pregnant?                                       128  0-8362-1876-0 1991
Happiness is a Warm Puddle                               ___  _-____-____-_ 1991

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Keith Rose (bkr24@cas.org)
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: Stuffed Hobbes?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:45:16 GMT
Organization: Sporadic and incomplete

jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic) writes:

>> Bill Watterson has not authorized these t-shirts, and is not getting
>> any compensation for them.  If you believe the creator has any right to
>> control how his characters are used, then DON'T buy these t-shirts. 
>
> That's funny, I've seen Calvin & Hobbes T-shirts everywhere in Europe
> and the motives are the same and so is the printing quality which is,
> incidentally, quite good. 

I'm not sure how you can claim to know the motives of the people doing
C&H bootlegs; as far as I can tell the only motive is a quick buck.

I'm also not sure what you think the printing quality has to do with
anything.  They're still bootlegs, even if they're well-made bootlegs.

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)
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From: matoh@lysator.liu.se (Mats \hrman)
Subject: Re: Stuffed Hobbes?
Reply-To: matoh@sssab.se
Organization: 3S AB
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 08:06:08 GMT

jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic) writes:
>That's funny, I've seen Calvin & Hobbes T-shirts everywhere 
>in Europe and the motives are the same and so is the printing 
>quality which is, incidentally, quite good.
>Oh well, I was wrong. Silly me (kick in the face).

Printing quality has nothing to do with whether they are legal or not.
Believe me, it is not hard to make perfect quality printed T-shirts in
large or small quantities. Similarely, there's no reason pirates may
not be wide-spread and well organized.
                                                               _ 
Yes, I've seen C&H t-shirts for sale on the square here in Linkoping,
and when I looked, there was a conspicuous absence of any kind of (c),
(tm), printer name, print date, etc. I think it is a rip-off and
people making money off Watterson's work without him getting a cent,
and worse. against his explicit wishes.

(Follow-ups to LysKOM :-) :-) )
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From: bkr24@cas.org (Keith Rose)
Subject: BIBLIOGRAPHY: Robotman
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:52:18 GMT

Following is a bibliography of "Robotman" collections by Jim Meddick As you
can see, there are some holes in my information.  If anybody has the
information I lack, send me mail.  I will be updating and posting this as need
warrants.  Also, I have tried to list the books in chronological order by
release.  Since the only date I have is just the year, and often more than one
book is released in a year, the order might be off.  If so, let me know.
Enjoy!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Robotman / by Jim Meddick

Title                                                   Pages     ISBN      Date
------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------- ----
Robotman Takes Off (World Almanac Publications)          ___  0-88687-250-2 1986
Robotman Takes Off (Ballantine Books)                    ___  0-345-33304-7 1986
Robotman : The Untold Story (Topper Books)               128  0-88687-279-0 1986
Robotman : The Untold Story (Ballantine Books)           128  0-345-33724-7 1986
Cyberpunktrek!: With Robotman and His Evil Twin, Bruce   110  0-88687-485-8 1990

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From: stame@emunix.emich.edu (Stewart Tame)
Subject: Re: Second Foxtrot collection
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:56:54 GMT

In article <bkr24.715282184@bkr24aws> bkr24@cas.org (Keith Rose) writes:
>I have only read "Foxtrot" and "Pass the Loot."  Does anybody out there know
>who forworded "Black Bart..." and "Eight Yards...?"

I just reread "Eight Yards . . . " last night and I don't recall it
having a foreword.  Not sure about "Black Bart."

		-- Stewart "Jason Fox is my idol" Tame 

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From: lipinski_todd@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: DILBERT
Organization: Motorola,Inc
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:38:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.213123.25542@news.nd.edu> wlamonac@purcell.helios.nd.edu
(william lamonaca) writes:
>In article <92240.124257U37426@uicvm.uic.edu> U37426@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>>
>>    The Chicago Tribune added a comic strip named Dilbert earlier this
>>summer to replace the temporarily vacationing Trudeau's Doonesbury.
>>Dilbert has got to be one of the strangest comics I have ever seen.  The
>>art work is weird and the dialogue is very cynical.  However, I do enjoy
>>reading it and hope that the Trib keeps it when Doonesbury returns.
>>I would be most interested to here what others think about Dilbert.
>>Any Dogbert fans out there?  How about Ratbert?  These are some of the
>>nuttiest names for characters!
>>
>>Tombert
>
>Sorry, I don't like it at all.  I have yet to see anything even remotely
>amusing.  I'll be glad when Doonesbury returns.  I'm kind of disappointed
>in the Trib- I'd rather see Doonesbury reruns.
>
>	Bill
>
I like it quite a bit.  The subject lines from his workplace fit in perfectly
with ours.  Especially the Quality episodes and the guard episode.  I can think
of a few comics that could be removed to fit Dilbert in.

todd
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Calvin & Hobbes Bootlegs
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:01:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.mcirvin.714949292
 <1557@lysator.liu.se> <bzbn2qg@lynx.unm.edu> <matt.714865708@unidata.ucar.edu> <1992Aug27.160334.28248@engage.pko.dec.com>

davis@gauss.enet.dec.com (Peter Davis) writes:

> The fact is that Watterson has decided that he
>doesn't want images of Calvin and Hobbes appearing on t-shirts, etc., and that
>should be respected.

Anybody see today's C&H?  Calvin talks about the importance of wearing
t-shirts with company logos, and the statement it makes to pay a company
to advertise its product.  It's quite funny, especially given the current 
debate.

-- 
Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
From: michaelb@cse.fau.edu (Michael Rogero Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: First Appearance of Bloom County
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:01:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

Does anyone know the date Bloom County began syndication?

Please email me if you know.
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<< BitNet: m_brown@fauvax                                        >>
From: swb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Steve Buffum)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Stuffed Hobbes?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:33:32 GMT
Organization: Just Some Guy

In article <1560@lysator.liu.se> matoh@sssab.se writes:
>jan_b@lysator.liu.se (Jan Besehanic) writes:
>>That's funny, I've seen Calvin & Hobbes T-shirts everywhere 
>>in Europe and the motives are the same and so is the printing 
>>quality which is, incidentally, quite good.
>>Oh well, I was wrong. Silly me (kick in the face).
>
>Printing quality has nothing to do with whether they are legal or not.
>Believe me, it is not hard to make perfect quality printed T-shirts in
>large or small quantities. Similarely, there's no reason pirates may
>not be wide-spread and well organized.

	Actually, one of the greatest shirts I ever saw was in Mexico, where
apparently they are not shy about skirting copyright law.  It sported a
fairly awful rendering of Snoopy and Woodstock from "Peanuts", where
Woodstock was perched on a Coca-Cola can and Snoopy was proffering a
pack of Marlboros (cigarettes) in a 3-D fashion.  Snoopy was actually
puffing away on one of the Marlboros himself.

	I could be wrong, of course, but I don't think this is what
Charles Schultz had in mind...

	Close second was Garfield swimming in a large glass of Corona
beer.
--
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swb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |  -- Charlie Brown's teacher
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From: matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks)
Subject: Re: Is Charles Schultz senile? I think so.
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:08:31 GMT

>	I saw someone refer to Peanuts the other day, and it reminded me of
>a conjecture my wife and I had last year:

>	Charles Schultz is totally senile.

>	The man has totally lost it.  It's not as if he needed more money,
>for God's sake.  The man needs to retire (retroactively to about 1987).

Agreed. I was wondering if maybe I just didn't know any better when I
was a child (I loved the strip then.) But when you look at the strips,
some of them are just really bizarrely disjointed; truly reminiscent
of the ramblings of a doddering old man. The cookie thread in recent 
months was old before it began and has gone on much too long. There 
are occasional glimmers of coherence but almost never of humor. It 
doesn't make me happy to read it anymore, mostly it makes me depressed;
I just keep picturing this confused old man drawing (yes, with a shaky
hand) strips even he doesn't understand anymore, that get published
just because he is to beloved (and perhaps, marketable?) for anyone
to tell him that he "has totally lost it."
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From: jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Second Foxtrot collection
Date: 31 Aug 92 09:58:41
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: jrs@netcom.com's message of 29 Aug 92 04:13:53 GMT

>> Is there a second, large format Foxtrot collection, and if
>> so, What is it called?
> There are at least three Fox Trot books - the two I have are
> "Black Bart Says Draw" and "Pass the Loot."

=o= There are four little ones and one large one.  The large one
is a collection of the first two little ones.  I suspect the
query was about another large one collecting the second two
little ones.

=o= I haven't seen a second large one yet.
    <_Jym_>
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				kiss, you get Kafka dreams."
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From: jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: Is Charles Schultz senile? I think so.
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:54:08 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Aug27.030107.29341@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

>Well, I'm sure that Peanuts will still appear on the comics page after
>Shultz retires or dies...I'm also equally sure that Shultz is still doing
>Peanuts and that no one else will take it up even after his retirement/death.
>
>Y'see, according to his biography, Universal plans to start rerunning
>Peanuts the day after Shultz' last original strip appears. It's guaranteed
>that no one else will take it over, a decision that Shultz' kids agree
>with. So I'm pretty sure that Shultz is still doing Peanuts; there's no
>point in anyone else doing it.

In fact, Schulz and his kids drew up legal papers a few years back to
guarantee that nobody else will ever draw the strip, just in case they
get greedy (or senile :-) later and change their minds.
(This was in the biography by Rheta Grimsley Johnson, "Oh Good Grief".)
From: wlamonac@purcell.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.strips
Subject: Re: DILBERT
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:31:23 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <92240.124257U37426@uicvm.uic.edu> U37426@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>
>    The Chicago Tribune added a comic strip named Dilbert earlier this
>summer to replace the temporarily vacationing Trudeau's Doonesbury.
>Dilbert has got to be one of the strangest comics I have ever seen.  The
>art work is weird and the dialogue is very cynical.  However, I do enjoy
>reading it and hope that the Trib keeps it when Doonesbury returns.
>I would be most interested to here what others think about Dilbert.
>Any Dogbert fans out there?  How about Ratbert?  These are some of the
>nuttiest names for characters!
>
>Tombert

Sorry, I don't like it at all.  I have yet to see anything even remotely
amusing.  I'll be glad when Doonesbury returns.  I'm kind of disappointed
in the Trib- I'd rather see Doonesbury reruns.

	Bill
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From: andyi@world.std.com (Andy G Ihnatko)
Subject: Re: Is Charles Schultz senile?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:22:23 GMT

otten@quark.umd.edu (Neil Ottenstein) writes:

>	As long as Charles Schultz can still do it I want to see him
>continue.  It might not be as good as it used to be, but it is better
>than a lot of other strips and every now and then there is another great
>strip.  


I agree with you 100%.  He doesn't knock one over the fence with every at bat,
like he used to, but he's still one of the best in the biz.  Also, just seeing
a true _professional_ at work for so long is in itself a joy.  In this day and
age, where characters are redisigned at the request of the soft-toy
manufacturer, backgrounds are eliminated at the request of the editors who want
to run the thing at one square inch in size, and the creator takes six months
off every year or delegates all the creative work to a team of underpaid and 
uncredited assistants, it's wonderful to see a man who still thinks that a 
cartoonist's single important job is to write and draw a good strip every day.

The man is a real professional, and his phenomenal success reaffirms my belief
that good hard work will be rewarded.


-- Andy