From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Re: Documenting claims for Mark Cochran (Was: Proposed...FAQ)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:03:14 GMT
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In <1993Jan18.194049.22776@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>In article <1993Jan18.014515.16791@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
>>In <1993Jan17.232047.18475@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>>>In article <1993Jan17.165453.17871@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
>>>>In <1993Jan16.204812.14124@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>>>>>In article <1993Jan11.211657.23247@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
>>>>>>In <1993Jan11.155025.21735@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>>>>>>>In article <1993Jan6.045359.13257@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
>>>>>>>>In article <1993Jan5.070455.20287@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>>>>>>>>>In article <1384@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I've never seen Beth Bartley lie about anything on t.a.  I find
>>>>>>>>>>her extremely credible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do you believe her informed claim that she is "pro-choice"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Certainly. She states quite plainly that she is pro-choice early in
>>>>>>>>the pregnancy, and in favor of restrictions for late term abortions.
>>>>>>>>Given that she doesn't try to lie about or hide her views, I have no
>>>>>>>>problem viewing her as pro-choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"i think anyone who would ask if someone who openly supports anti-choice
>>>>>>> legislation (and who would go as far as imprisoning women who have abortions)
>>>>>>> as ms. bartley does is pro-choice is a complete and utter fool."
>>>>>>>                               James G Keegan Jr, keegan@pan.crd.ge.com
>>>>>>>                               5 Jan 93 12:48:50 GMT
>>>>>>>                               <1993Jan5.124850.10173@crd.ge.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So now you're a "complete and utter fool", eh, Mark?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not according to what you quoted, Kevin.  Since we've seen how easily
>>>>>>confused you are by complicated sentences, let's trim it down a little:
>>>>>>  "i think anyone who would ask if ...
>>>>>>   ms. bartley ... is pro-choice is a complete and utter fool."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're the one who *asked*; Mark was *answering*.
>>>>
>>>> [blah, blah, blah, evade, blah, blah]
>
>Okay, Larry, let's do this a little more formally:
>
>       Proposition A: According to Keegan's stated opinion, anyone who asks
>                      whether Elizabeth is pro-choice is a fool

        Proposition B: You asked if Ms. Bartley is pro-choice

        Conclusion 1: You are, as much as can be discerned of Keegan's opinion
                      of you, from the above declarations, a fool

        Proposition D: Mark answered that question

        Proposition E: You claimed that his answering the question proved him
                       to be what Keegan's quote said the *asker* was.

        Conclusion 2: You blew it - you intended to trap Susan, but you made
                      yourself out to be the fool.

        Proposition F: You are attempting to save face by questioning the
                       validity of the quote you originally tried to use to
                       prove your point.

        Conclusion 3: It's not working, as I have no interest in whether
                      the quote is valid or not.  I jumped in to point out
                      that you were apparently confused by the quote, since
                      your conclusion didn't follow.

        Conclusion 4: Your continued attempts at evasion only remind people
                      of how foolish you were in the first place.
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Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)