HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:33:06 GMT

In article <28341@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>I have owned an A500 (yes, I suppose that does make me one of the enemy)
>for the past 3 years now and am saving up to upgrade to an as yes
>undecided 'something better'.  The Falcon looked *so* good to start
>with, but *if* this is really true (I stress the if because I wait for
>further postings - I still have difficulty believing it) I doubt I will
>ever buy a Falcon.

Well, I wouldn't doubt John Townsend's post. If you're really being cynical
you might think the usenet poster forged the article, but there's no reason
to have don that, so ...

Geeze. The ST has a 16 bit bus, it doesn't look crippled to me... It's
certainly not going to be as fast as it might have been, but the Falcon is
by no means a crippled system.

(And at any rate, [heh] there's bound to be a 3rd party board that comes
along with a zero-wait 32 bit synchronous RAM expansion. It's definitely
not necessary for the home user, which is what the Falcon is aimed at, but
I'm sure it'll be there for the hobbyist...)
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

All true wisdom is conveyed in one-line witticisms.
From: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Organization: Atari Corp. Scand. AB (Norway)
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
	<1992Nov20.110645.29992@email.tuwien.ac.at>
	<92325.093425DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>
Reply-To: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:43:52 MET

In <92325.093425DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Good. Too bad that the Falcon is yet another closed Atari box, while C=
>has managed to put in a decent level of expandability for a low-end
>machine (PCMCIA plus a -complete- expansion connector for anything from
>simple fast RAM cards to '030/'040 accelerators).
>

Are you trying to convince yorself not to buy a Falcon or what?
A1200 more expandable than the falcon? 
Oh, well it has to be (though i doubt that it realy is), because it does NOT 
have SCSI II, 16 mips DSP, 8 channels of 16Bit/50Khz sound and bultin 16 bit 
stereo AD/DA, and is further crippled by a upper limit of only 2MB of 
videoram!

The 'new' Amiga 1200 is O N L Y a souped up A600, whilst the Falcon 030
is a totaly new concept in homecomputing!!!

I like development of new abilities better than just speeding up old and
well known abilities, howewer when both are combined, as in Falcon, i realy
get enthusiastic!!

-- 
  _______________________________________________________
 / Joern F. Moe /  All above is my own personal opinion! \
/ Oslo, Norway /  Any lack of opinion above is also mine! \
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From: elendir@inf.enst.fr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Falcon BUS... DSP
Keywords: SoUnD
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:29:13 GMT

Warwick Allison writes
] Also, with the DSP running at 32MHz, it has time for quite a few
] instructions for fiddling with those values too, besides adding the
] sounds together.  Of course, when processing 90 voices at once, you'd
] be pushing it pretty hard :-) 

 A 32 MHz DSP has a 16 MHz instruction clock rate. A 1 Mbyte/sec throughput  
corresponds to 300 KDSPwords/sec, or one interrupt every 3 us. You have time  
to execute 48 instructions then between each interrupt. Enough to do some  
pretty effects : Surround, Echo, Reverb, Basic IIR filters and much more.

 If you want a demo of the sound capabilities of the DSP, watch out for the  
Audio Fun Machine demo at the Comdex (Personnal pub). 

 Enjoy.

 Vincent.

 ---

 "Les femmes je suis contre, tout contre" 
 There is a pun untranslatable in English here.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: sjg@phwoof.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Simon Gornall)
Subject: MiNT distribution/ email
Organization: King's College London Image Processing Group
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:13:37 GMT
X-Posted-From: dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Hi, this is just to give some idea of progress in the last week. I've ironed
out the main bugs in SETUP (the one that disbled the filesystem!), and I'm
left with some in INSTALL which seem not to apply the correct permissions to
the files stored on disk.

The main reason for posting, though, is to say that I now *know* that the 
reason I've got no mail for the last 2 months is the Computer Centre's fault 
(and I thought it was my feet...). So, if you've mailed me in the last 2 months
I've not been ignoring you, I never got your mail.

If you want to get in touch with me, then try the addresses below. I *will*
reply (even if to say "got your mail"), so if you don't get a reply I didn't
recieve your mail. Could you try one of the other addresses in this case...

1. sjg@dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk	(the machine on my desk)
2. sjg@phlim.ph.kcl.ac.uk	(the mailserver...)
3. sjg@dsd.bio.ph.ic.ac.uk	(the machine at IC where I'm a sysadmin)
4. sjg@star.op.ph.ic.ac.uk	(another machine at IC)

If you're on JANET rather than internet, please use...

1. sjg@uk.ac.kcl.ph.ipg

Simon.
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From: nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos)
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
Organization: TU Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:35:21 GMT

marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
: [...] 
: Yes, but the ST also has a 16 bit processor.  It is not crippled.
: The ST also does not have to deal with 16 bit graphics throughput.
: The Falcon on the other hand has a 32 bit '030, crammed into a 16 bit
: bus, similar to the Mac LCII.  As for the Falcon not being crippled, I will
: wait to use the machine to see.  I have my concerns about the speed of
: the graphics over a 16 bit bus, though.  16 bit graphics over a 16 bit
: bus, sharing access with the processor does not sound as though it will
: be particularly fast.

*sigh* again: the falcon 030 video system does NOT have a 16 bit bus, but
a 32 bit bus (Madbus). Inform yourself before making such assumptions,
especially if you want to spread them all over the world.

: >  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
: 
: >All true wisdom is conveyed in one-line witticisms.
: 
: The world needs more one-line witticisms.

true.

-MY

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: edik@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Ed Sternin)
Subject: Re: Need advice on 1.4M drive****
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:37:57 GMT

  I would also like to know the answer to this query! 

Now, don't send me info on how to double the rate of some clock and
pretend that a 720k drive is a 1.44M drive.  I am willing to buy a
correct 1.44M drive mechanism (which makes are suitable?) and a new
set of ROM's (does anybody know Atari's parts numbers?), but I want
to get a technically correct solution.

I want to install a 1.44M drive into a Mega4, currently at TOS 1.02.

Is this possible?

Cheers.
-- 

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  voice: (416)688-5550 ext.3414   FAX: (416)682-9020   email: edik@brocku.ca
From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Programmers
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:10:16 GMT
Distribution: uk
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK

Hello! 
I'm looking for programmers in the London area for a business idea.
Co-operative and profit sharing aiming to take a bite out of the
software market.

Email me!

Xavier


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From: paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Paul Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Need advice on 1.4M drive****
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:55:31 GMT
Reply-To: paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

In article 1@bcvms.bc.edu, faype@bcvms.bc.edu () writes:
> I have an ancient ST520, and need a new external drive.  Does anyone know
> if I can swap in a 1.4Meg instead of the 720K?  Do I need a new driver,
> even if I just want to read/write 720K disks?
> -pete
> 
> faype@bcvms.bc.edu
> 
> P.S. I have some ancient TOS version, I'm not sure what - 2.0?

2.0 is actually rather new, more likely you have something on the order of 1.0.
Anyway, I understand TOS 2.05 or better is needed to format high-density, but
you should be able to use a high-density drive to format 720k.


-Paul Harris                       @ @ 
paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu      \___/
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From: rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable)
Subject: Re: Using an IBM keyboard with an Atari ST
Reply-To: rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable)
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:48:25 GMT

In article <memo.759171@cix.compulink.co.uk>,
apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk (Adam Pelled) writes:
|> 
|>     This Current Notes; What is it, and where can i get it from ?

Current Notes is a highly regarded magazine style newsletter for WACCE,
the
Washington Area Atari Computer Enthusiasts, a consortium of user groups
in
Washington, D.C. and the Maryland and Virginia suburbs.

From the FAQ: 

Current Notes, published by Current Notes Inc.
-------------

Cover Price: US $3.95

Subscription Rate: $27.00/year (Atari clubs registered with Current
Notes may
subscribe at $23.00/year) US, $35.00/year (Canadian club members at
$31/year)
Canadian, Foreign rate $44/year.

Address: Current Notes Inc., 122 N. Johnson Rd., Sterling, VA  22170
USA


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From: rincewind@discworld.oche.sub.org (Rincewind                      alias Michael Schwingen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Organization: This is the Discworld, which travels through the space on the
	back of four elephants which themselves stand on the shell of Great
	A' Tuin, the sky turtle.
Subject: Re: Installation of TOS 1.4 (6 chip set)
Keywords: TOS 1.4, 1040STf, help
Summary: what order?
Reply-To: rincewind@discworld.oche.sub.org
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:48:44 MEST

In <BxIJo7.F0F@unx.sas.com>, Rick Tatem writes:
[...]
>Now, the question is... In which socket does each TOS 1.4 chip go???
>The set I have has two sets of three chips.  Set 1 - L0, L1, and L2.
>Set 2 - H0, H1, H2.  Will someone please tell me the order to put them
>in.  I got 'trigger happy' and have already pulled my old TOS 1.0 chips
>out, but have successfully put them back in. (i.e. it boots and works ;)

Here's the table you need:

 H0 = U4
 H1 = U3
 H2 = U2
 L0 = U7
 L1 = U6
 L2 = U5

cu
Michael
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From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:02:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.071614.6495@nosc.mil> healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy) writes:
>In article <H.QHklPxgdMm2@fredrik.atari.no> jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no writes:

>stuff deleted
>
>>  The Falcon030 can have a minimum of 1 meg of RAM and a maximum of
>>  14 megs of RAM. Possible RAM configurations are 1meg, 4meg, or 16
>>  megs of RAM.

>That last RAM configuration looks rather interesting if there is a
>maximum of 14 megs :-) 

The upper 2 MB of the 16 MB are wasted because the memory-mapped I/O
registers live there. I wonder why they didn't add in a control bit to
bank-switch that last 2 meg in. Oh well.
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

All true wisdom is conveyed in one-line witticisms.
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From: ins739l@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang)
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:15:41 GMT

Joern Moe (jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no) wrote:
[quotation deleted]
: Are you trying to convince yorself not to buy a Falcon or what?
: A1200 more expandable than the falcon? 

It has two slots for hardware - PCMCIA and the trapdoor slot.

: Oh, well it has to be (though i doubt that it realy is), because it does NOT 
: have SCSI II, 16 mips DSP, 8 channels of 16Bit/50Khz sound and bultin 16 bit 
: stereo AD/DA, and is further crippled by a upper limit of only 2MB of 
: videoram!

Well, thats two more megs of video ram than the Falcon, and the bus is twice
as wide as the "crippled" falcon.
: 
: The 'new' Amiga 1200 is O N L Y a souped up A600, whilst the Falcon 030
: is a totaly new concept in homecomputing!!!

New concept in what respect?  The biggest piece of Vapour?  If you call
a 24bit palette, 32bit processor, 32bit bus, 2x clock speed, greater
bandwidth for blitter operations souping up, then the Falcon could easily
be called a souped a Atari 520 ST.

: I like development of new abilities better than just speeding up old and
: well known abilities, howewer when both are combined, as in Falcon, i realy
: get enthusiastic!!
: 
I do to.  The only evolutionary things I see on the falcon is the dsp.  This
coupled with the sound chips and processors will allows for some really good
music and effects generation. 

:   _______________________________________________________
:  / Joern F. Moe /  All above is my own personal opinion! \

From someone who seems to speaking with inside information and works at
Atari, you seem very rude or ignorant.  This type of marketing reminds me
of the Amiga 1000 vs Atari 520 arguments.  Atari tried to sell itself by
making all sorts of extravagant claims or hide that their machine does even
more poorly without this feature.  Like the blitter steals processor speed,
(wheras the processor has to do all the work on the ST), interlace flicker (in
screen modes that the ST didn't have), we don't need a pre-emptive multitasking
operating system (something you still don't have)... etc...
 
If you compare the posts from staff at Commodore to Atari, we see that the
Commodore people are much more diplomatic...

Regards,

Jim Fang
From: Vincent_Partington@p15.f202.n281.z2.fidonet
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 08:42:28 +0100
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In a message of <Tue 17 Nov 92 22:56>, Joern Moe (2:281/202.33) writes:

 JM> This is what John Townsend (Atari Corp) said on GEnie:
 JM> --------------------------------
 JM> Atari-ST RoundTable
 JM> Category 14,  Topic 20
 JM> Message 73        Mon Nov 16, 1992
 JM> TOWNS [John@Atari]           at 15:01 EDT
 JM> 
 JM> Once and for all..
 JM> The Falcon030 has a 24bit Address Bus and a 16bit Data Bus. The
 JM> expansion port on the machine represents that bus.

But how can this be? The 68030 has a 32bit data bus or are Atari using an
adapted version?

Ta!
    Vincent

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From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:32:52 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:

>In article <28341@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>>I have owned an A500 (yes, I suppose that does make me one of the enemy)
>>for the past 3 years now and am saving up to upgrade to an as yes
>>undecided 'something better'.  The Falcon looked *so* good to start
>>with, but *if* this is really true (I stress the if because I wait for
>>further postings - I still have difficulty believing it) I doubt I will
>>ever buy a Falcon.

>Well, I wouldn't doubt John Townsend's post. If you're really being cynical
>you might think the usenet poster forged the article, but there's no reason
>to have don that, so ...

I was not being cynical.  I was merely hoping that it was not true.
I apologise to Mr Townsend if I implied he was lying.

>Geeze. The ST has a 16 bit bus, it doesn't look crippled to me... It's
>certainly not going to be as fast as it might have been, but the Falcon is
>by no means a crippled system.

Yes, but the ST also has a 16 bit processor.  It is not crippled.
The ST also does not have to deal with 16 bit graphics throughput.
The Falcon on the other hand has a 32 bit '030, crammed into a 16 bit
bus, similar to the Mac LCII.  As for the Falcon not being crippled, I will
wait to use the machine to see.  I have my concerns about the speed of
the graphics over a 16 bit bus, though.  16 bit graphics over a 16 bit
bus, sharing access with the processor does not sound as though it will
be particularly fast.

>(And at any rate, [heh] there's bound to be a 3rd party board that comes
>along with a zero-wait 32 bit synchronous RAM expansion. It's definitely
>not necessary for the home user, which is what the Falcon is aimed at, but
>I'm sure it'll be there for the hobbyist...)

And how do you intend to plug your 32 Ram expansion in?
The PDS internal slot is 16/24 bit.
The processor is surface mounted.
Umm... not much else is there?

>  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

>All true wisdom is conveyed in one-line witticisms.

The world needs more one-line witticisms.

	Mark
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From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez)
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:38:09 GMT

In article <H.QHklPxgdMm2@fredrik.atari.no>, jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe) writes:
|> Ok, sorry about this guys, but here's the final facts:
|> 
|> 
|>   Date: 17 Nov 92 07:02:23 EST
|>   From: Wilfred Kilwinger <72347.2124@CompuServe.COM>
|>   Subject: Want to get something cleared up....
|>   To: >INTERNET:jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no
|> 
|>   >There's a lot of confusion going on at comp.sys.atari.st.tech about the
|>   >Falcon bus: Does it have 16 or 32 bit databus (CPU <-> memory)?
|> 
|>   This is what John Townsend (Atari Corp) said on GEnie:
|>   --------------------------------
|>   Atari-ST RoundTable
|>   Category 14,  Topic 20
|>   Message 73        Mon Nov 16, 1992
|>   TOWNS [John@Atari]           at 15:01 EDT
|>  
|>   Once and for all..
|> 
|> 
|>   The Falcon030 has a 24bit Address Bus and a 16bit Data Bus. The
|>   expansion port on the machine represents that bus.
|> 
|> 
|>   The Falcon030 can have a minimum of 1 meg of RAM and a maximum of
|>   14 megs of RAM. Possible RAM configurations are 1meg, 4meg, or 16
|>   megs of RAM.
|> 
|> 
|>   -- John Townsend, Atari Corp.
|>   ------------------------------
|>   Note that the Apple LC and the Classic II use the same trick and some
|>   chips do have full 32bit access like the video logic.
|>  
|> *****************
|> 
|> Now, that should settle the discussion on wheter it has 16 or 32 bit bus, but 
|> it will certainly not settle the frustration among some of you Atarians now:-/ 
|> But remember: with its low price, the Falcon 030 is quite uniq anyway!!

   Thanks for the final facts.  This means that it has the same address
bus as the A1200 (the 68EC020 has a 24-bit address bus which is 16Megs),
and the A1200 should be around twice as fast due to a true 32-bit data bus.

   Oh well, still a DSP surely helps!
   
   A DSP is a DSP is a DSP.... :-)

[stuff deleted]
|> 
|> -- 
|>   _______________________________________________________
|>  / Joern F. Moe /  All above is my own personal opinion! \
|> / Oslo, Norway /  Any lack of opinion above is also mine! \
|> -----------------------------------------------------------

- Raist

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: wilsont@rahul.net (Timothy Wilson)
Subject: this bus thing....
Organization: a2i network
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:11:41 GMT

First of all, How does a bus work?

second, 16 bits on a memory 'bus' would seem  (to me) that it could
only adress 64k. but it can adress 16megs.. or 24bits. 
would the chip send 2 bytes out in two cycles to complete an adress?
thats screwy.


You can add TT ram to the falcon (32 bit ram) (or so says AtariUser)

third: Atari docs state full 32bits, it would be crime to lie about something
like that.
(of course, big corps can get away with that stuff.)


could it be that the PDS slot could be confused with another bus?
the pds is 16/24 68000 compatible. (according to my mags)
its definately not 32bits
and, its something dave small would be 'into' since he's mr. mac emulation
(the primary purpose of the PDS slot)

could a 16bit adress bus be 4-5x faster than an ST? 

what was the ST bus like?
was it 16? 24?

why would atari have a dsp/videl and other 'cool' stuff in the falcon, but
then intentionally screw the cpu?

i would figure its not any cheaper to have 16bit busses...

just my observations.






-- 
Timothy Wilson <wilsont@rahul.net>
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From: ins739l@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang)
Subject: Re: Falcon '030 BUS: 16 or 32 bit?
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:04:20 GMT

Marinos Yannikos (nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at) wrote:
: DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu () writes:
: : [...] 
: : Good. Too bad that the Falcon is yet another closed Atari box, while C=
: : has managed to put in a decent level of expandability for a low-end
: : machine (PCMCIA plus a -complete- expansion connector for anything from
: : simple fast RAM cards to '030/'040 accelerators).
: : 
: PCMCIA? What's that? Some kind of standard? I don't think so. 

Yes, PCMCIA is a standard.  It is used for plug-n-play modems, fax cards,
NFS lan cards, RAM, etc for lap-top computers.  IBM, Apple, HP, Amstrad, Sharp
and a plethora of other portable clone makers support this standard.

: The Falcon at least has a built-in SCSI-2 connector, which you have to
: pay for if you want to use even plain SCSI drives, as well as a
: "-complete- expansion connector", whatever you mean by that.

If you're talking about the processor direct slot on the Falcon, it's not
a "-complete- expansion connector" in the sense it's only 16bit where as
the Amiga 1200 slot is 32 bits and a bit more flexible with regards to
peripherals attached.

As for SCSI-2, yes it would be nice on the Amiga1200.  The 2.5" IDE connector
is okay for home use as most people don't need more than two hard-drive.

: -MY

Regards,

Jim Fang

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: richard@op.ph.ic.ac.uk (Richard Syratt )
Subject: Gem programming (reply mail address)
Followup-To: Gem programming
Organization: Imperial College, London University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:01:29 GMT
X-Posted-From: op.ph.ic.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


Stupid program gets my mail address wrong (xrn), so
any replies to my gem questions will fail.
The mail address for this posting has been changed, so
you can reply to it.  I'll get around to fixing xrn soon, maybe.

Thanks for any help you care to give me

Richard
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