HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: angst@vega.ucsb.edu (love)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Meat Beat (was: Sheep)
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:01:54 GMT
Organization: Finnigan's Cheezy Combustibles and Lawnmower Emporium

In article <1992Aug21.210738.19046@javelin.sim.es.com> pashdown@javelin.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>
>So, with the rumblings of Meat Beat Manifesto touring around, does this mean
>we'll see some new releases soon?  They're way overdue.

The new album is supposed to be out in September, according to NME.
Also, a MBM track appears on the new Volume 4 magazine/CD.


"I have forced myself to contradict myself in 	|          Dave Stein
order to avoid conforming to my own taste."     |       angst@cs.ucsb.edu
                          -Marcel Duchamp 	|    angst%cs@ucsbuxa.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial,rec.music.misc,rec.music.synth
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Proposed newsgoup: alt.music.techno
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 20:44:00 GMT

There's a discussion of creating a new alt.music.techno
newsgroup going on in alt.config.
 
Please participate if you like.
 
--Eric
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From: andre@rurutu.wri.com (Andre Kuzniarek)
Subject: Re: Killing Joke sues Nirvana
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:49:30 GMT

In article <dlcogswe.714156093@vela> dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan  
Cogswell) writes:
> loffit@wam.umd.edu (Dixie Cup) writes:
 
>>Anyone have any more info on this.  What I've heard is that Killing Joke
>>thinks that Come As You Are sounds awfully like the Eighties.  
>>Apparently they think Nirvana ripped off their song and only now decided  
>>to sue.What do people think about this?  Do the songs really sound that  
>> alike?
> 
> I thought they sounded VERY similar when I first heard Nirvana's song.
> I was pretty amazed that the guys in Nirvana had either (1) never heard
> Eighties or (2) heard it and decided to put out a song that sounds a LOT
> like it.

Gosh, you know, Nirvana's music is sooooo basic, how could it not sound  
like somebody else's? Rock music has always been that way. You work with a  
few chords and put 'em together the same way everybody else does,  
eventually you'll do a similar melody, etc. I'm not criticizing. I think  
KJ's just looking for some action...

AK
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Adam J. Weitzman)
Subject: Re: "Tragedy for You"'s 10th track
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:41:21 GMT

In article <Bt5LrG.IAF@CAM.ORG> emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend) writes:
>In article <4753@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> front242+@pitt.edu (Brian R Iwaskewycz) writes:
>>Am I the only one who has a "secret track" after the tenth on "Tragedy for 
>>You?"  There is about two minutes of silence after the tenth track, and then
>>here comes this super fast (about 260 bpm) slammin' techno tune, followed by
>>a sort-of remix of one of the other songs on the disk.
>
>Everyone's got one.  What I would like to know is the names of those tracks.

The first track is called "Hard Rock." The second track is called "Trigger 1."
This information is in the r.m.i FAQ, and is also in the Front 242 discography
I posted about a week ago.

Speaking of the FAQ, I think a single, all-caps line (a tribute to our beloved
Matthew N. Sharp, perhaps?) along the lines of:

"ALAIN JOURGENSEN IS NOT A MEMBER OF PIGFACE!!!!!!!!!!"

in the FAQ would do this newsgroup a world of good.
-- 
					- Adam J Weitzman
					  weitzman@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu

"CONNECT THE GODDAMN DOTS!!!" - Ministry
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From: sandro@world.std.com (Sandro D Wallach)
Subject: Re: Apotheosis Live! Review.
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 06:28:59 GMT

damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (MR. Boy) writes:
>	my point is and was this:  if one goes to see a live techno
>band, why does one go?  to see how well a bandmember plays his bass,
>or keyboard, or whatever?    i dunno.  me, i go to dance.  
>then, one may ask, why go see a techno band at all...?  why not just
>play their disc real loud.   well, hopefully, the band adds some new
>stuff to their tapes  :)    whatever.

If I can't see the stage and the music isn't any better than at home,
I get into being with other people who love the music.  Sometimes I
just get off on looking at all the people and feeling connected to
them, sometimes I'll get involved in some sort of dance pit, crowd
surfing, or whatever.  

The big difference between a live performance and my CD player is
human interaction (as one-sided as it may be) between me and the
audience and the band.  Human interaction is as varied as humans...

	-- sandro   (sandro@ELF.com)
From: plord@pioneer.uspto.gov (Paul Lord)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Mudapalooza (Lake Fairfax, Aug. 14)
Date: 16 Aug 92 21:13:56 GMT

Field Report: Lollapalooza II, Lake Fairfax Park, Aug. 14

Yow.  The two days of rain before the show made for a sloppy mudfest.  The
pit was about ankle deep and HARSH.  If your feet weren't sliding out from
under you, they were sucked in place, and everybody coming over the top was
muddy and *slippery*.  Still, nobody who got dropped or fell got mangled;
people were generally really cool.  Also, no poseur-fist-throwing-assholes,
a definite bonus.  The mud wrestling on the side made for some interesting
sights.  It was 20 or so degress cooler than last year, so nobody was
passing out in the pit.  A couple of people got serious anxiety about being
crushed, but the event staffers were phenomenal about 1) catching crowd
surfers and 2) pulling waifs from the depths of the mosh.

Details:  The traffic was heinous.  The dude from Pearl Jam got out of his
car and walked the last few miles and ended up only five minutes late. We
missed Lush entirely (no big loss).  During the PJ set we got the single
from Temple of the Dog (they claimed that this was the first time they'd
played it this year...confirmation anyone?).  Soundgarden DID play "Cop
Killer" and also "Smells like Teen Spirit", which was odd I thought. We
stayed back out of the pit for most of the day (the sound was excellent)
until:

Ministry: Ahhhhhh.  I started working my way to the front during Ice Cube
(who was amazing, nuff said).  In the in-between shuffle I managed to get to
the second row, three rows of padding between me and the "real pit".  Once
they started playing I got moved back from throwing bodies to the event
staff, so when they hit the part of the set that went [Just One Fix -
Thieves - So What - Stigmata] I was in the thick of the best pit I've ever
been in.  Ok, so one of my new ear studs got ripped out.  Big deal, it's not
infected.  Did anyone else get an extra encore?  The set list had "Breathe"
after the break, and we got that, but then they fired up into "Hero" from
the new album.  Precision-drill guitar playing.  Just simply awesome.

After that, fuck the Peppers.  They couldn't even hope to compare. 

paul
I'm still sore
From: rip@ocf.berkeley.edu (Rajat K. Paharia)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Coil - Discography Wanted
Date: 15 Aug 1992 06:02:16 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu
Summary: Som random coil flashbacks.

>|> AB>Well, the subject line says it all 8)  If anyone has a complete 
>|> AB>discography of Coil, pls post or email.  I'd greatly appreciate it! :)
>|> 
>|> I, too, would find this most helpful.
>The following was posted by Jeff Reid in February. All credit goes to him.
 <discography follows>

I had two vinyl versions of Gold Is The Metal. The one on Threshold House
was by itself, but the German version on Normal came with an extra 7"
(mentioned in the discography) that had "The Wheal", a really cool reworking
of "The Wheel" with no vocals, and pretty much the original music (as it is
on "The Broken Wheel") playing on one channel, and this kinda goofy melody
playing on the other track. It sounds good together when you listen to it on
a stereo, even more interesting on a walkman. This track appears on teh
Normal CD version of Gold Is the Metal. The other side is a track called
"Keelhauler" which is new and pretty nice. I seem to remember it segueing
very well with Jass's "Theme" if that's any indication of how it sounds. It
starts and stops a lot. (ooh. really descriptive.)

"Stolen and Contaminated Songs" is supposed to be the "Gold Is the Metal" of
Love's Secret Domain ( outtakes and reworkings). I mailed them my money for
this last December and have yet to see anything except a postcard explaining
that they're looking at a Spring '92 release date (yeah right). Costs,
including postage: 11.75 pounds (mainland UK) 12.5 (Europe and Eire) 15 (USA
and Canada) 16 elsewhere. Make UK and Euro-cheques/Postal and Money Orders
(made out in pounds sterling) payable to Threshold House, t BM/Codex. London
WCIN 3xx, UK. (Please note we cannot accept ordinary cheques drawn on
foreign banks). You can obviously send cash but totally at your own
risk...etc.. It ended up costing me about $40, and that was even with a
friend in who went to England and got the money order there. (they want it
in pounds, which makes things kinda hard.). Limited edition of 2000. I have
a few things which might appear on this CD. Weird (rough sounding) versions
of some of the LSD songs, with rougher vocals, and different tracks mixed
together than on the CD. The recording isn't too great though.

I think Wax Trax and Coil are going to do some sort of thing where they
invite film and art students to send in their own video interpretations of
Coil songs and include a few of them on the upcoming video release. That
would be really cool.

"Blacklight District" is the name of John Balance's dance music side
project. Somebody tell me if you've seen anything out yet.

They take as long to eat their smart drugs in the morning as they do to eat
their breakfast. Scary.

	Rajat
	rip@ocf.berkeley.edu
 	That's DR. POTATOHEAD to You, Buddy.
From: runaway@milton.u.washington.edu (Susanna Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: FLA Seattle
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:56:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.runaway.713653000
Organization: University of Washington

does anyone know why Frontline Assembly cancelled their Seattle show?
Industrial shows are hard to come by here as it is...
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From: runaway@milton.u.washington.edu (Susanna Cole)
Subject: looking for friend in LA, Rita Johnson
Summary: where is she
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:54:17 GMT

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From: os9ug@gkcl.ists.ca (OS-9 User Group)
Subject: Re: help with readnews
Keywords: pretentious pretentious pretentious pretentious pretentious pretentious
Reply-To: sizone!justin@ee.ryerson.ca (Justin Wells)
Organization: IScorp
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 13:30:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.222123.1531@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:

>Let me guess, you're in a band, aren't you?  And it's one of those
>oh-so-industrial bands that substitutes shock, gore, and stage
>histrionics for actual musical talent, isn't it?  It makes you feel

Nope.  Never been in a band.  Never will.  Wow -- you're wrong.  What
a surprise.  Next time you go out on a limb, do it with a rope around
your neck, huh??

You're so far off the mark it's hilarious..  You've cooked up some
idea that I'm Mr. Industrial Music or something.  I'm not.  I like
industrial music, and I have for awhile.  But it is not the center
piece of my life.  I only read this group because I like to laugh
at people like you.

You're right -- I probably post here because it boost my ego.  I'm
enjoying this.  Wonder what you'll try next.

I gave up on the whole alternative/industrial scene a few years ago
when it was obvious that it was dying, and that I was growing up.  Now
I just amuse myself at your expense.

Justin @ Industrial Semiotics
sizone!justin@ee.ryerson.ca (Justin Wells)
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From: dsj@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Scott Janecek)
Subject: Re: Coil - Discography Wanted
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:13:40 GMT



	Don't forget about 'Zoskia', aka Coil. They released 2 12"'s
out called 'Be Like Me' and 'Zoskia meets Sugardog'.


				dan
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Music to kill by
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:10:54 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

> Anyway, a topic:
>> Music to kill by:
>>
>> What would be your favourite music to annilate objects by?
>What about people? Why restrict yourself to objects?
>
>> Any other suggestions?
>The first track of Butthole Surfers' album "Locust Abortion Technician" (I
>think it's called Satan), though I don't suppose that counts as industrial.
>
>Otherwise Front 242 *.*

Music which makes me want to kill:

1.  Ministry:

      Thieves
      Burning Inside
      The Missing
      Just One Fix

2.  E.N.

      Tanz Debil
      and almost any other song by them, I would imagine

3.  Many Godflesh tunes, also


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From: earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Sheep On Drugs (Re: new industrial/dance releases)
Date: 21 Aug 92 18:54:35 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems - JPL on-site Software Support

In article <1992Aug21.081706.28113@news.uit.no> vidarh@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen) writes:
>Sheep On Drugs' TV USA CD-single is essential!  (Also the previous one,
>Motorbike/Mary Jane)  Hilarious Euro-Disco/Techno/Industrial crossover!!!

Did anyone else notice the upcoming gig in England, with Sheep on Drugs,
Meat Beat Manifesto and Young Gods?  I think it's at the end of this month,
around the 29th?  Or was it early September ...

Sheesh, some people have all the luck.  We never get triple bills like this
over here ... (no, sorry, Lollapaloser does NOT count as a decent multiple-bill
in my book)

	- Greg
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From: vidarh@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen)
Subject: Chris Connely & Fini Tribe
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:06:07 GMT

Has anyone heard these new releases:

CHRIS CONNELY & FINI TRIBE: Come Down Here  CDS
CHRIS CONNELY:  Phenobarb Balm  CD

Are they equal to Fini Tribe, or totally different???

Other fini information wanted:
Has anyone titles on the Forever Green 12"-ers?

So far, I only have the following entries in my discography:

FOREVER GREEN I 12" (1992 One Little Indian 74TP12)
	???? (weatherall/finiflex mixes)

FOREVER GREEN II 12" (1992 One Little Indian 74TP12?)
	???? (justin robertson mixes)

FOREVER GREEN III 12" (1992 One Little Indian 74TP12?)
	???? (youth mixes)

If anyone have any more info, please send me a mail!


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From: kougham@pell4l10.alleg.edu (Michael Koughhan)
Subject: CURRENT 93 event
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:25:49 GMT

if anyone knows of any upcoming CURRENT 93 performances or related  
happenings, some kindred spirits will be greatly satisfied.  In other  
words, please post tour dates.
Doesn't it sound funny?  The words CURRENT 93 and 'tour dates' really     
don't seem to fit together comfortably, Hmm...

Also, what is and how can one get information about ANCIENT HULA ?

Fuck the time zones in the Soviet Union, what about the time zones on  
Mars?

If you ever see anyone named Egypt, and they happen to be two feet tall,  
whatever you do, don't ask it for directions to the nearest gas station.

P.S.  info on Jim Stapleton is appreciated, also.  It's very hard to find  
out anything about these things here in meadville, even though Nirvana did  
make the charts.  Hmm...
From: bp271@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew N. Sharp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Going to New Orleans, where should I go when I get there?
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:10:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)




Defender of New Orleans, EUGENE Hopstetter (tceh000@convex1.tcs.tulane.edu)
			 ^^^^^^
writes:
>[blah blah blah] Enoch Light Presents for rubberheaded wackiness [blah..]

You listed this band under the "few good bands" category in your
fascinating diatribe.  Is this simply an error?

I paid four dollars to see Enoch Light at some horrid bar with
an even worse selection of Scotch.
Wackiness is not a word I would have chosen to describe this band.
Pretentious, yes, wacky, no.

	FLAWS IN THE PERFORMANCE BY SAID BAND
	-------------------------------------
	1. Trite (ab)use of American flag.
	   Very predictable, offensive only in
	   its stupidity.
	2. Poor choice of instrumentation,
	   badly miked, poorly played.
	3. Idiotic dynamic structure:
	   Build, die, build, die, build, die,
	   set break, more of the same...

Furthermore, based solely on the above performance, I would consider
"Enoch Light" a "noise band," EUGENE.
			      ^^^^^^

> [blah blah blah] Hmm, and I seem to remember All, Fugazi, and other such 
>bands playing there.

This is a selling point?


	C O M E   T O   T H E   S O U T H ! ! ! !

		See the PUREST of BLOODLINES!!

		Easily angered SOUTHERNERS!!!!

		Submissive BLACK PEOPLE!!!!!!!

		Get permanantly JAILED for
		MINOR OFFENSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And, by the way, naming the station after me, and allowing me
to dictate programming on said station is a bad idea, EUGENE.
						      ^^^^^^



Love,
Mr. Tolerance!
-- 
Matthew Neill Sharp
bp271@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
Organization: Junior, Chemical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 09:44:16 -0400 
From: Scott Travis Johnston <sj1p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lollapalooza In Pittsburgh
	<1514@sousa.ltn.dec.com>

The last I heard, the show at Starlake Amphitheatre was sold out. 
However, I think they were considering selling more lawn tickets, so
check it out anyway!

-Scott
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From: kritt@einoed.in-berlin.de (Kritt G.)
Subject: Re: Coil - Discography Wanted
Organization: Einoed Unix & Netzwerke, Berlin (FRG)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:47:12 GMT

nivekogr@athena.mit.edu (Christopher M Teixeira) writes:

>  It is Myths 3 ('Tykul Hala' or something moderately close) although the
> track (something about a Brown Room) didn't impress me very much.  Some

As somebody else mentioned earlier, the record is called "Sinople Twilight in
Catal Huyuk". The song by Coil is called "Another Brown World" and I think 
it's one of the best tracks they ever released. It's more the Horse Rotorvator
kind of thing that I like about Coil. I absolutely love the whole Myths LP 
(I think Catal Huyuk is an ancient city).  All tracks sound ancient and 
pre-historic...very nice indeed.

Kritt
-- 
     Notifier assertion botched: More than 1 paranoid using enumerator

                                                       kritt@einoed.in-berlin.de
Einoed Unix & Netzwerke. Koepenicker Str. 154, 1 Berlin 36. Tel: 611 3[1,2] 26
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
From: smith@mot.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: Apotheosis Live! Review.
Organization: Gagging Sloth Records
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 21:30:33 GMT

damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (MR. Boy) writes:
>	my point is and was this:  if one goes to see a live techno
>band, why does one go?  to see how well a bandmember plays his bass,
>or keyboard, or whatever?    i dunno.  me, i go to dance.  
>then, one may ask, why go see a techno band at all...?  why not just
>play their disc real loud.   well, hopefully, the band adds some new
>stuff to their tapes  :)    whatever.

Well, Apotheosis didn't add much to their tapes...hell, there was no band!
It was a dance troupe and a Discman!  MAYBE some real singing.  And they
played ONE SONG on and off for a half an hour (O Fortuna).  Sure, it's a
good song, but c'mon!  The whole situation made the saying "Great live
sound" take on a new meaning.  It wasn't just as good as their CD...it
was identical!  Definitely NOT worth the price of admission.

jds

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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (SCOTT C LOCKLIN)
Subject: Hafler Trio
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Distribution: rec.music.industrial
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:45:51 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

I have recently purchased the Hafler Trio's tape "Dislocation".

Really enjoyed their "new-agey" sound & would appreciate some more info
on this band, discography, history, reviews etc.

 For those with "dislocation"; I have figured out the hidden
meaning behind the maps (EMail for details).

Thanx in advance

-Scott
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From: tmcfarla@fraser.sfu.ca (Tara McFarlane)
Subject: Re: CURRENT 93 event
Keywords: current 93 christ menstral night
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:20:21 GMT

rsolomon@milton.u.washington.edu (robert solomon: solomon@geophys.washington.edu) writes:

>i'd never heard of a re-release of christ and the pale queens mighty in
>sorrow. was it the 2-lp set with side four being material by Steven Stapleton
>and having some sort of (laser?) etched design? (i know that the cd release
>is different in several ways from the actual 2-lp original, it has the two
>cuts from the 12 single from the same sessions which was released in a limited
>number of 666 and minus the Steven Stapleton side). i guess that might be
>one way of telling if it were an original (i know of one fellow with one of
>the first 93, i can ask him about it). i've been curious as to how many of
>the in menstral night picture discs were released. i know that a non-pic
>disc version was later released (also on united dairies i believe).
>does anyone know the specifics about that?

>robert
 
hhhmmm. yes, i have the vinyl and cd versions, they are different. i also have
the red face of god ep (the one limited to 666 copies). side four of christ...
is just some picture etched in the vinyl. now originally there were supposed 
to have been patches and assorted other trinkets accompanying the release,
but a friend who mail ordered it from tibet and hence presumably got the real 
goods never received any such trinkets and confirmed that what i bought was
identical to what he had received. my suspicions are raised however because
i happen to live in vancouver, not that big a city, and the store where i 
bought it had at least four copies--not a whole helluva lot, but then again
we're only talking about 93 copies worldwide. therefore it seemed odd to me
that four copies should be retailed in vancouver. maybe i just happened to
have been in the right place at the right time.

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