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From: prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,sci.archaeology
Subject: Re: Louis Leakey
Date: 30 Dec 92 13:01:55 GMT
Distribution: sci
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In article <VGIBBS.92Dec30002246@dante.nmsu.EDU> vgibbs@nmsu.EDU (Victor R Gibbs) writes:
>Hi,
>
>I was wondering if anyone out in netland had any useful information on
>Louis Leakey for a paper I am working on. Of particular interest are
>first hand accounts as well as bibliographies or interesting reading 
>materials about the man and his work in Africa etc.
>
>Thanks, 
>
>vgibbs@dante.nmsu.edu

Get _Bones of Contention_, it has lots of interesting tidbits about the
politics of physican anthropology.  The author is Richard Lewin.

	-Phil
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From: helz@ecn.purdue.edu (Randall A Helzerman)
Subject: Re: Hutterites Today
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:35:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.211428.21168@honte.uleth.ca>, buchignani@hg.uleth.ca writes:
|> Hutterites continue to thrive; there are about 30,000 today, 2/3rds
|> in Canada, 1/3 in the U.S.

Hmmmn....interesting--the book read I was written in the 60's and it said
that then there were 30,000.  Also it said that they had a high rate of
natural increase.  I would have expected a population at least twice as
great today.  Anybody know what happened?

|> With the qualification that the book
|> you read probably (as most) provided you with  a highly idea
|> image of the Hutterites, they have tended to maintain more or
|> less what they want of that life, and have changed the rest.
|> Again, with the qualification that colonies are independent, and
|> hence diverse, they remain communal, rural-based, etc.

Cool.

|> There are (by their standards) some rather rapid changes going on re:
|> more individualized consumer culture, and for men, a greater latitude
|> in dress and behaviour; Thursdays around here (their traditional
|> coming to town day) the malls are awash with them...

Fascinating.  I wonder if these changes are going to be a threat to their
communal way of life.  The book I read said that the socialization which
individuals went through was phenominally successful in preparing them for
communal living, but I would think that more exposure to the outside world
could only weaken them as a people.
From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: [ARCH] Re: Which Came First, Agriculture or Pastorial
Distribution: world
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 03:16:24 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Dec17.151215.4959@watson.ibm.com> andrewt@watson.ibm.com writes:

 > In article <BzD7qt.4u@NeoSoft.com> claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
 > >Well-attested dog remains have been found dating back around 10,000 years
 > > in Idaho, Britain, Turkey, ... (what's the archaeology of dingos?
 >  
 > The oldest date for Dingos I've seen is 3,500 years BP.  Exactly who
 > brought them to Australia and why is open for debate.  Flood's
 > "The Archaeology of the Dreamtime" should discuss this.

In her opening remarks to Ch.15 Flood offers:

        "Some time after 6,000 years ago, the dingo appears in Australia
        . . . certainly introduced from Asia, probably deliberately but
        possibly as castaways." (p. 186)

But that chapter, while entitled 'Arrival of the dingo', actually
discusses together a number of new elements introduced to Australia at
about the same time, although giving backed blades and points a more
definite priority. Her discussion indicates that while its origins
remain uncertain it appears most closely related to the Indian pariah
dog whose ancestry dates apparently from 3,500 to 4,000 years ago,
than any other found in contemporary Asia or Melanesia.

The animal as it is in its semi-domesticated state, as it still does
today, appears far more useful around the camp to keep people warm at
night and to keep guard. I have not known them myself to be used as
hunting dogs even casually; it is far easier for a human to take a
kangaroo or emu by stealth (and/or entrapment in some parts) than to
have a pack of untrained and most definitely ill-bred fighting dogs
at heel.

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From: stcmille@panix.com (Steve Miller)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Fluvial paradise (was: Which Came First, Agriculture or
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:26:13 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <725618069snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au> gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:



>I think it also must be kept in mind that societies *devolve* as much
>as they *evolve*. Again, the various economic bases on which people
>rely for their sustenance are available today as they have been at
>any other time.

I wonder what "devolve" means in this context?  Does it mean return to a
less intensive lifestyle?  If it does, this is difficult to accept.
There is a "trap" effect in intensification where there are points of no
return.  You can't just go from intensive agricuture to hunting and
gathering because the carrying capacity of the land under the two
systems is totally different.

>Further, it is only big cities (known for their invention of linear
>time) which were unavailable during "prehistoric times". Today it is
>those big cities in seeking to secure "their" hinterland (in the name
>of peace) which impose so egregiously on other "backward" economies.

Cities engender different relations of production.  The economic "base"
is transformed.

>What is happening now, as city-based industries decline? The people
>previously employed there are returning to growing vegetables, aren't
>they? Doesn't that mean a devolution from an industrial society to a
>horticultural?

I'll believe this when a significant number of people do this.  Right
now far more people who used to be metal benders are becoming paper
pushers.  The percentage of the population involved in food production
(as opposed to food preparation) continues to fall.

>That is certainly the word being used in Australia to describe the dual
>process of urban renewal and rural reconstruction currently underway.

Well, maybe things are different where people live upside down.  Why
don't you all fall off the earth down there, anyway?  Do you have glue
on your shoes?

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From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: Ethnicity of the Carthaginians?
Date: 2 Jan 93 06:44:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1993Jan1.224411.1
Followup-To: sci.anthropology
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <2340@newsserver.cs.uwindsor.ca>, bouche2@server.uwindsor.ca (BOUCHER DAVID            ) writes:
> Does anybody out there know what was the ethnicity of the people
> of Carthage?  I had heard that Hannibal was black, but I saw a 
> portrait of him on a coin and it was impossible to tell one way or
> another... 
> 
> On a related topic, can anyone suggest some generally accepted references on
> black african civilizations prior to european colonialism? 
> 
> - db
> 

Well it is possible that Hannibal was black, but I doubt it..
The ruling class of Carthage was semite and semites are generally
brown..Berbers are brown.. Berbers are a Hamite people, related some to the
Egyptians.. Seems alot of people of afro-american decent (Actually sub-sahara
decent) Want to claim that everyone of major fame was black, to pprove
themselves to have someone to look up to. Well Cleopatra was not black, and I
doubt Hannibal was.. Its kind of the reverse of white europeans protraying
Jesus as white (as in white european) verus being semite. (brown)..

Not sure of any sub-sahara civilization books.. Do know of Zimbabwe,
Timbuktu(sp) and Ethiopia and a few others.. Can't remember the old name of
ethiopia..

I do know that the Zulu (BAntu) who were pastorialists were moving south into
what is now Zimbabwe and displacing agricultral people. One of the problems of
Zimbabwe today was becuase of tribal problems from that period..
Must not forget MAdagasgar (bit that was a mixed Black African Arab Trader
country. Reason for the rise of Swahili. A trade tongue based on a Bantu Lingo
with a lot of borrowing from arabic..

==
==
Michael Adams alias Ghost Wheel/Morgoth NSMCA@acad3.alaska.edu
 
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From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Subject: Re: [ARCH] Re: Which Came First, Agriculture or Pastorial
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:49:19 GMT

In article <725037101snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au> gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec21.155050.6167@unocal.com> stgprao@st.unocal.COM writes:
>
> > Since agriculture was possibily invented several times around the world-
> > mideast,
> > Harrupa, Chinea, meso AMerica, South America- several answers may right.
>
>Indeed, many may be right I would hope. One answer to everything would
>be quite insufferable . . .

	I would expect that not  all groups  with access to agricultural
technology found it useful  [Insert segue music].

	Australian  aborigines, who do not as far as I know practice
agriculture, appear (from the books on Oceana I  have) to have had 
contact with Torres strait Islanders, who did practice agriculture.
Any thoughts  on why agriculture  never spread to Australia, prior
to the colonisation by the UK and others?

							James Nicoll
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From: shire@dorsai.com (Kenneth Shire)
Subject: Re:  understanding and intuition/Also, A question
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:20:15 GMT

> I encountered.  A large problem that later was the foundation
> of the thesis was the difference between how a culture
> describes ITSELF and events/cultural traits etc. that one
> oberserves in contradiction to that description.  Many present

Mellissa, Though I have been out of the field for years, the problems you 
are interested in are the special province of ethnomethodology.  This is 
a field of inquiry started by Harold Garfinkel at the sociology 
department at UCLA back in the 1960s.  Garfinkel has written only one 
book, "Studies in Ethnomethodology" and it is merely a collection of 
essays.  His most famous student is Carlos Castaneda.  In brief, the 
ethnomethodologists, at least when I was part of the club back in the 
1970s, believe that *every* conversational exchange is similar to your 
problem with "tarof", by which I mean that only participants in a culture 
can be sure of catching the subtleties of meaning of any aspect of that 
culture.  In other words, one must "go native" to "get" the point of what 
you're seeing.  Having done that, it is almost impossible to 
adequately translate your understanding back into the intellectual 
framework of academic discourse, which is not set up to handle nuances of 
cultural meaning.  This doesn't mean all is hopeless in cultural 
anthropolgy, but, all is hopelessly *approximate*, which makes the social 
sciences radically different from the physical sciences, no matter what 
the statisticians in social science departments have to say.  Hope this 
helps you to think the problems you mentioned through.  BTW, if you want 
to do some reading in ethno, one of the best authors predated the 
creation of the field.  He is Alfred Schutz, who worked at the New School 
and whose papers are printed in three volumes.  For more insight into the 
field, you might want to speak with or read some phenomenology, a field 
of study in European academic philosophy, which provides the theoretical 
undrepinning for ethnomethodolgy as practiced by american 
sociologists.
edti
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Subject: Cultural appropriation and modern religions
From: saracen@netlink.cts.com (Ann Olson)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 17:05:24 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Greetings to all,
 
I think that perhaps this would be a good time for 
someone, in this case me, to put in $0.02 from the 
the non-christian side of this argument.
 
I, personally, do not identify myself with the 'New
Age' movement, however I am not christian and do tend
to appropriate concepts from religions and philosophies
that pre-date or are otherwise outside of christianity.
 
The 'New Age' movement and religions that it spawned are
not monolithic. There are also other religions that have
become more easily visible in this century that tend to get,
mistakenly, lumped in with the 'New Age' conglomeration.
 
One of the problems that I have seen in the 'New Age' 
community is that of appropriation of Native beliefs 
without complete understanding. There have also been people
who have mixed a large quantity of fiction in with native
religions and then tried to sell the mess to people who
don't know any better, and in so doing desecrate the native
religions that they purport to espouse.
 
As far as the Neo-Pagan community and the organizations
that are decendant of Masonic traditions go (I do not presume
to speak for these either, but I do have more information
on them) most of the people that I have seen in these try to
hold the utmost respect for those cultures and belief systems
that they have integrated beliefs from into thier system. Also
some people in these systems have a right to the beliefs that
they are tring to recreate from the past, since they are 
members of that society in question. i.e. persons of Western
European decent attempting to reconstruct the pre-Roman
religious practices of the region.
 
--------------------------------------------------------------
 
If you do not wish to read any more on the Christian vs.
Other debate type 'n' now. ;}
 
--------------------------------------------------------------
 
Many of the 'New Age' groups simply do not consider 
Christianity to be any different from other monotheistic
religions, and so those people are seen as attacking 
Christianity due to a lack of respect for 'the one true way'.
 
Yes, some people from all three of these groups have 
participated in Christian bashing ... however, much if that
is caused (but not excused) by the fact that many 
Christians do not respect others' beliefs and try to force
people to belive in Christ.
 
I too would like to know how those peoples who have shared 
their beliefs with newcomers feel about it. I do also wish that
the well meant, but rather uneccessarily vehement discussion
of Christianity would please find a more appropriate place 
to be discussed.
 
Ann
 

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From: ffls@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: sci.edu,sci.math,sci.math.stat,sci.logic,misc.education
Subject: Alaska Summer Mathematics Program (Repost)
Date: 22 Dec 92 20:06:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Dec22.120618.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks


The Alaska Summer Masters Program in the Mathematical Sciences

The Department of Mathematical Sciences at the University of Alaska
Fairbanks invites inquiries regarding an anticipated summer Masters
Degree program in the mathematical sciences.  We have combined several
modest innovations to produce a very impressive advanced degree in
mathematics which addresses many recently expessed concerns about our
ailing system of science and mathematics education.

First:  It's a summer program.  The program is primarily intended to
allow secondary mathematics teachers with strong backgrounds the
opportunity to continue their education in mathematics without
jeopardizing or terminating their teaching careers.

Second:  It's a serious mathematics degree.  The program will not
cover some topics normally found in conventional degrees in quite the
same depth or with quite the same 'PhD preparation' emphasis. 
However, the substitutions are all from areas within the mathematical
sciences and more than make up for the omission of a few proofs in
advanced topics.  In particular, there is no 'education' content as
such.

Third:  The degree will have innate value.  Typically, masters degree
programs in mathematics cover the basic material expected of
candidates for the PhD  -  i.e., an MS or MA in mathematics is a
milepost rather than an end onto itself.  We have designed a program
that in no way compromises this role as conduit to the PhD degree. 
However, we have incorporated elements of logic, history,
applications, computer science and probability and statistics to make
this a well rounded degree.  The focus is on development of
mathematical scholars rather than just providing training in the core
advanced subjects.

Fourth:  The degree is offered in Alaska.  Need we say more? 

As mentioned, this is an anticipated program.  At this point its
initiation depends upon funding by the National Science Foundation's
Teacher Preparation and Enhancement Division or overwhelming response
to announcements such as this.  If NSF decides to fund the program,
most of the costs to participants will likely be eliminated.  Without
NSF support, participants would have to figure on the cost of four
summer vacations in Alaska plus something in the neighborhood of $2000
each summer for university related expenses for non-residents. 
Compared to two year programs elsewhere, that's a bargain.   

For more information or specific questions, please contact me
via email (ffls@acad3.alaska.edu) or write to:

Dr. Larry Santoni
University of Alaska
Department of Mathematical Sciences
Fairbanks, Alaska 99775

In either case, please include a mailing address so we will have a
permanent address on file and so that we can send you a printed
announcement and other information as events unfold.
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Subject: Filmstrip projectors
From: kevin@netlink.cts.com (Kevin Dorne)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 12:07:45 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

Does anyone know the frequency that is recorded on cassettes to change 
the
frame in automatic filmstrip projectors?  If you do, PLEASE send me mail.
It would also be helpful if anyone knows how to generate this tone on an
Amiga computer. Thanks in advance.
 
kevin@pro-nbs.acme.fred.org (preferably) or kevin@Netlink.cts.com

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From: fjchang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (Chang Fuh-Jyi)
Subject: looking for email address of Chem Dept
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:18:44 GMT

Hi,
     I am eager to know email addresses of the Chemistry Department
of any university at US. In fact, I am helping my friend who is a
senior and majors in chemistry.  She wants to study in US after she
graduates from the university next year.  Thus, what I am looking for 
is email address of anyone who can answer me some question about his/her
department and, perhaps and hopefully, send me the application material.

     Also, I want to know how much does it cost a graduate student to
study in US for two years. If you are a graduate student, could you 
tell me how much you spend per year, which city you live in (living 
in your campus dorm., or in an apartment), how life and climate are 
there?  Any information or whatever suggested is greatly appreciated.

     Thanks for your help.

                    Chang Fuh-Jyi
                    National Chiao-Tung University

                    email address : fjchang@oodelta.csie.nctu.edu.tw
                                    7817069@csie.nctu.edu.tw
                                    u7817069@ccsun11.cc.ncut.edu.tw
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Subject: Personal Environmental Impact Software
Date: 23 Dec 92 03:32:49 GMT
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A new PC software program does environmental impact analysis for
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 15:35:32 PST
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