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From: ajackson@cck.coventry.ac.uk (ALAN MICHAEL JACKSON)
Subject: Re: Current capacity at Anfield
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:15:13 GMT

>Could someone tell me what the capacity of Anfield is ?.

Anfields capacity is approx 45,000 now.



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From: abrantes@cs.pitt.edu (Jorge Abrantes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Pele' the best.
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:26:53 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

Status: OR

Per Annar Sandaune (pasand@Mari.Unit.NO) wrote:
: In article <31037@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, nmuller@ems.cdc.com (Nelson Muller) writes:
: |> 
: |> You must be too young not to have ever seen Pele play.  Gi'me a break,
: |> I'd rather have one Pele in my team than 2 Maradona.
: |>
: |> Nelson Muller
: 
: Remember one thing:  Pele played 20 years ago, while Maradona is a player of today, in a much
: tougher football environment.  Therefore, Maradona is the player of all times.
: 

>	Much as I hate to get involved in some yesnoyesnoyes cascade, I
>have to agree with Nelson about this one. It's easy to imagine that the
>football played today is somehow "tougher" than it was 20 years ago,
>but this is only due to improved physical conditioning, improved
>training techniques, improved footballs (! yes, amazing but true) etc.
>Anyone who tries to say that Pele played 20 years ago and so wouldn't
>be the best player in the world if in his prime today is missing the
>point that today Pele would have access to the improved techniques of
>preparation in the modern game. And he would stand a head and shoulders
>above Maradona, Mattheus et al. He had it all, skill, vision, strength,
>ability in the air or on the ground, was a great leader and a great
>sportsman.
>
>Conor


I agree with Conor. Beside the qualities thal Conor mentioned in his
message, Pele' participated in 4 World cups, won 3 and scored more than
1200 goals.  I'd rather have a half Pele' in my team than 2 maradona (Pele'
has ability either with his right leg or left leg. Maradona uses just his
left leg, his right leg is to take bus).

Jorge. 
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From: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca (Steve Halchuk)
Subject: WC Group 3 Spain vs. Latvia
Reply-To: halchuk@seismo.emr.ca
Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:31:21 GMT

I have yet to see any first hand accounts of this match from across the
pond so I'll post what I know from a static-ridden BBC shortwave broadcast

SPAIN 5 LATVIA 0

Spain exploded for all 5 goals in the second half. If this is the correct
score the current standings are:

GROUP 3
                    Played  Won  Drew  Lost   For  Against  Points
 SPAIN                5      2     3     0      8      0       7  
 IRELAND              4      2     2     0      6      0       6     
 DENMARK              4      1     3     0      1      0       5 
 LITHUANIA            5      1     3     1      5      5       5
 NORTHERN IRELAND     4      1     2     1      5      3       4  
 LATVIA               7      0     4     3      3     13       4   
 ALBANIA              5      1     1     3      2      9       3

any details of the match would be appreciated

Stephen

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From: f36655e@taltta.hut.fi (Kalle Mikkola)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rule suggestion: free kick delayed until the ball is lost
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:29:22 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

One sees often that the referee has it hard to choose, whether to whissle
a free kick or let the game continue after a foul. Also either choice doesn't
really give any kind of penalty, if both choices are equally useful.

Would it be possible to delay the whissle until the fouling team gets the
ball as in hockey?
Kalle Mikkola Q:"How many Zen masters does it take to change a light bulb?"
358-0-8036053 A4:"None. The Universe spins the bulb and the Zen master
kalle@leka.hut.fi "stays out of the way."
From: qasama@banach.WPI.EDU (John Grossi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:47:31 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: banach.wpi.edu

In article <9FD65E2D0000BC9B@knox.bitnet> PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU writes:
>      Yes, and this was not a good year for the Dodgers and the Angels.  And
>the Dodgers did almost nothing to improve the team.  With Atlanta, Cincinnati,
>San Francisco and Houston improved a lot, I see more tough times for those
>Dodgers...
>      By the way, I also question their decision to re-sign Eric Davis.  Let's
>see how many games he will play in 1993.
>      Maybe in 1993, Dodgers fans will arrive in the first inning and leave
>after the 6th...who knows.
>      The good years for the Dodgers are gone...
>                                                                   Panos
*knock* *knock*
hollow echo
This is rec.sport.soccer
not rec.sport.baseball
we really don't care to read about baseball on this group


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From: mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Real top 10 National teams,clubs and players
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:04:33 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
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Hello guys.

After seeng all that arguing about top ten teams, I've decided
to let all you know what are the real football powers in the world.
So here they are:

National teams:

1. Russia
2. Ukraine
3. Belarus
4. Georgia
5. Lithuania
6. Latvia
7. Estonia
8. Kazakhstan
9. Moldova
10.Tadjikistan

(It's good that we settled on 10 teams instead of 20, 'cause I've got
only 15)

Top ten clubs :
1. Spartak Moscow
2. Dynamo Moscow
3. Torpedo Moscow
4. Asmaral Moscow
5. CSKA Moscow
6. Lokomotiv Moscow
7. Spartak Vladikavkaz
8. Lokomotiv Nizhnii Novgorod
9. Zenit Leningrad
10.Rostselmash Rostov-na-Donu

The best ten players:
1. Igor Shalimov ("Inter", previously "Spartak" Moscow)
2. Alexander Mostovoi ("Benfica" ?, previously "Spartak" Moscow)
3. Vasilii Kulkov("???",previously "Spartak" Moscow)
4. Stanislav Cherchesov("Spartak" Moscow)
5. Viktor Onopko ("Spartak" Moscow)
6. Igor Ledyahov ("Spartak" Moscow)
7. Mihail Rusyaev("Spartak" Moscow)
8. Dmitrii Radchenko("Spartak" Moscow)
9. Viktor Pasulko("???", previosly "Spartak" Moscow)
10.Gennadii Perepadenko("???", previously "Spartak" Moscow)


Of course, this is absolutely UNBIASED.

Cheers,

Michael.
From: 2huushack@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: making justice
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:46:24 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

	
	How can you be so dumb!!! You place Barcelona as the best team
in the world when they have just got their deserved second rank
position, after losing 2-1 and being completely controlled by Sao
Paulo.
	Your knowledge of soccer is so centered in Europe that you
probably don't even know that in the moment Sao Paulo is the best in
the world.

	Greetings,

	from a soccer fan who wants justice to be made .

P.S. - I'm totally impartial because i'm not a Sao Paulo fan.
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From: pires@cs.utwente.nl (Luis Ferreira Pires)
Subject: re: Re: A unique goal
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:57:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.101429.2474@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
|> is it true that a brazilian copa final had to be abandoned because the referee
|> forgot the score in the middle of the penalty shoot out?
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I don't know if you mean that, but in 1974 there was a final between Santos and
Portuguesa for the championship of the state of Sao Paulo, and the referee
(ex-FIFA referee Armando Marques) mistook the possibilities and declared Santos
the winner during penalty shoot out, while actually there was still a
mathematical possibility for Portuguesa to equalize. The coach of Portuguesa
noticed the mistake, and ordered the players to leave Morumbi stadium as soon as
possible. Some of them did not even change clothes. After a political agreement,
both teams have been declared champions of that year. This increased the number
of titles of Portuguesa to ONE, since Portuguesa had been "half-champion" before,
somewhere around the forties, when two championships of the state of Sao Paulo
were played.

	Luis

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From: moynihan_r@apollo.hp.com (Robert Moynihan)
Subject: Re: #BRAZIL-GERMANY ???
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:02:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <CHRIS.92Dec17172901@scan.scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de> chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter) writes:
>Although Brazil played fascinating soccer and could have scored 3 or 5
>goals more, it is a long way to the WC94...
>Nevertheless, be cautious to rank Brazil that high for the WC94. To be
>a favorite could be a problem for them, like many times before. 

This is very true.  I've seen several Brasil matches where they
played as though they felt that all they needed do was walk onto the
field and the game would be theirs...only to then get stuffed by
teams one would think they should have beaten.  As much as I like
Brasil, I think they have a tendency to become overconfident, almost
to the point of arrogance.  I hope they don't fall prey to this in
'94...unless of course they do so in a game against the USA. :-)

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From: major@shuksan (Mike Schmitt)
Subject: Re: Referee Magazine?
Organization: Man Machine Systems Technology
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:44:05 GMT

: >Does anybody know of a publication dedicated to soccer refereeing or,
: >barring that, officiating in general?  Any leads would be appreciated.

  A magazine I subscribe to is "Referee".  I checked the subscription
  information and it costs $47.40 a year.  Mail your subscription to
  P.O. Box 161, Franksville, Wisconson  53126.  Phone  (414)632-8855

  80% of the magazine is devoted to Football, Baseball and Basketball.
  But, their Soccer coverage is growing.  Most of the magazine deals in
  interviews with top professional officials who talk about 'how to call it'
  - their best calls, their worst calls, their history - all very informative.

  There are special sections each month devoted to Football, Baseball,
  Softball, Basketball, Volleyball, and Soccer.  Al Baer (Tennessee) writes
  a lot of articles as does Vinnie Mauro (couple months ago 'Referee' had
  a special feature article interview with Vinnie Mauro about Olympics and
  World Cup soccer.)

  The depressing thing about the magazine is finding out how soccer referee
  fees compare to other officiating fees (high school, college, professional)
  where soccer always seems to come in near the bottom (I think wrestling
  officials get paid less than soccer officials :-))

  Another disturbing trend is reading about all the assaults and abuse of
  officials in ALL the sports - at all levels.

  However, what I find most enjoyable about the articles is the commentary
  about game control and foul recognition and how to manage coaches and 
  players and fans.  I'm discovering that the "theories" of officiating
  cut across all the sports lines and we all have the same problems and the
  same decision making and judgement situations.  The sports are different.
  The rules are different.  But the officiating theories are the same.

  ..... besides, soccer rules are very very simple compared to, say, 
  baseball... with two out and runners on first and third, the batter
  bunts down the third base line as the first runner leaves the base too
  soon and the second runner runs into the shortstop - the third baseman
  mishandles the ball and kicks it out of bounds as the batter reaches
  first - the third baseman overthrows the ball into the dugout.  How many
  extra bases?  Who's safe?  Who's out?  And does the run score?...........




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America.  No mission too difficult, no sacrifice too great.  Duty first. 

From: ohdav@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (David OH)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:13:40 GMT
Subject: Re: English League Sucks !
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer

>In rec.sport.soccer, mxt7690@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
>    If you guys think that English League is exciting, you are living in a dream
>    world. There is absolutely no creativity . If you don't like what I am saying
>    that is your problem. English League is the worst league in Europe.
>
>
>
>                              Matthius Pierre Lacombe T'anyeri

I won't go so far as to say that the English League sucks but it
certainly (in my opinion anyway) no longer the best and the
most entertaining in the world. I believe both those accolades
belong to the Italian league. The English League was arguably
the most entertaining when there were players of the class of
Bobby Charlton, George Best, Kenny Dalglish, Kevin Keegan,
Glen Hoddle, Ossie Ardilles, etc playing. 

I don't think there are any current English League players who 
can be compared against the above list.

YS@hpsgm2

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From: dci57@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: US Soccer News and Thoughts
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:12:26 GMT


Eric,

    Here in central Ohio soccer has become very popular among high school
sports.  We have 3 Boys Teams (Varsity, JVA and JVB) and 2 Girls Teams
(Varsity and JV).  Every year, the coaches have to cut 20 kids during
tryouts.

    A couple of years ago when the school levy did not pass, we just paid
our own expenses for soccer (and other sports) and the school did not
eliminate any sport.  Can your school (Salt Lake City) do the same?

    I am amazed that volleyball is the 4th most popular sport because
it did not become a varsity sport in our school until this year, although
we had water polo, field hockey and ice hockey as varsity sports for a
long time.

					       Dorothy


My opinion is strictly mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: St.Johnstone sack manager
From: mcssecgm@dct.ac.uk
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:50:44 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

I read in the news at luchtime that St.Johnstone manager
Alex Totten has been sacked from the club. Reason given
from boardroom was they wanted a fresh look to the management
side and a decline in attendances.
Alex Totten has taken the Perth club from the lowly position
of Second Division football to a mid table Premier Division
club in the space of 6 years. They have reached two Skol Cup
semi-finals (Rangers (0-5) and (0-3)) and two Scottish Cup
semi-finals (Dun.Utd (1-2) and Rangers (0-0 & 0-4). They are also
on an unbeaten league run of 8 games.

Assistant John McClelland tipped to take over hot seat.

Totten was quoted as saying he was extremely shocked and
disappointed.

Even though I have criticised Totten for his laughable claims
after games and before (ie. St.Johnstone are an attacking team..,
we won't sit back at Ibrox.., we're going for Europe,etc..), the
man has to be respected for his ambition and drive to not simply
be a "survival" club like 2/3 rds of the league. I also cannot
understand the humanity of such boardroom members to push someone
on the dole so close to Xmas!! ok he will probably get back into
football soon but nevertheless it must have come as a blow to him and
his families future plans.

Anyway, I have never admired St.Johnstone and this episode just
reinforces ny vision of a club trying to be bigger than it actually
is....

CGMILNE
DIT
SCOTLAND			"Hammers are back - Up the Barnsley
				 Keegan!!"
From: richard@pyra.co.uk (Richard McCormack)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English Premier Division - early preds
Keywords: will it be Villa or Arsenal ?
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:50:23 GMT
Reply-To: richard@pyra.co.uk  (Richard McCormack)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Ltd.

In <1992Nov9.230420.7680@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:

>With the Premier League one third of the way through it looks as if
>Arsenal and Aston Villa will be the title contenders as far as traditional

Even though I am a Villa fan I do not think the Villa Squad will stand up
to well to a key injury!

>Villa have a good manager in Big Ron who has staffed the team with some
>players that are capable of sustaining a continuous chalenge on the title.
>Paul McGrath, Kevin Richardson, Ray Houghton and Cyril Regis are the 

McGrath will probably finish this season and then Earl Barratt can move
to central deffense and we get left with [start even worse spelling] Darius
Kub*...? at Right back.

Houghton has played well so far but does not have the bite in Midfield I
think Villa still need. If Gary Parker has a bad day then only
Richardson is left and him and Houghton look okay but thats all.

If Dallian A or Deano go down with an Injury then we are left with Dwight 
Yorke [ remember the long lean goaless spell last year ] and good ole Cyril 
[ at least he tries ]

I hope Big Ron sticks playing Small at left back and leaves Staunton
in Midfield. He seems to play well there and I have my doubts about his
defensive abilities.

>veterans that form the Villa nucleus around which talents like Dalien
>Atkinson (built like a brickhouse), Dean Saunders (regained his scoring
>touch) and Tony Daley (grease lightning) can thrive.

Yes Daley would add something but seems unable to get fit this season. I just
have this bad feeling that come Christmas things may go a little wrong ...

Perhaps another buy by Ron A. of a tough Midfield player would make the
Squad more versatile. So far it's great but I do not see any reserves
that will let us win the League and get some good cup runs. So far
we are still in all competitions and have a number of International players
on duty.

Still, I'll be the first to smile if my prediction is wrong!! :-)

Rich (fingers crossed)
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From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: New SOCCER NEWS groups
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:48:09 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Dec9.162533.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1992Dec8.163038.15645@news.nd.edu>, ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:
>> Perhaps a group rec.sport.soccer.predictions.scottish would remove alot of 
>> the more annoying confusing traffic.  I sometimes have a hrad time working
>> out that they are not results.  Can't you keep your predictions to yourselves
>> or email?

usually the word 'predictions' tells you what the news item is.......

> 
> 	Yeh, these predictions are becoming a bit tiresome every week. Can't
> beat the old pre-season predictions though.  Looks like I've got it correct 
> again.
> 
> I think r.s.s. should remain as one group since all aspects of it are
> inter-related. Anyway, you'd only get countless cross-postings.
> 
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From: jwk@sequent.com (John "Just Say Noe" Kramer)
Subject: Re: Goalie dilemma
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 20:18:17 GMT

In article <92346.114300SC58@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK> SC58@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes:
>Speaking of Liverpool goalies, remember the season Clemence only
>let in 16 goals all season!!!  Now that's a really poor keeper :-)
>
>Jude Young
>Univ of L'pool

Umm...this doesn't necessarily mean that he's a brilliant keeper. I 
remember those Liverpool teams and the thing about them was an awesome
defense which meant he didn't need to do as much work as the average
keeper of the day. This is secret of that sucess. If you doubt it,
look at Arsenal and how their overall strength in defense helped. David
Seaman (and Lukic before) aren't World Class. IMO Clemence was an 
average to good keeper. Anyone have any figures on his performances at
Spurs?

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