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From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Mikhail Shatalenkov NHL rights? (was IHL stats)
Date: 23 Dec 1992 08:19:00 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
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In article <1992Dec22.173221.6639@convex.com> gglover@convex.COM (george glover) writes:

> IHL Stats:
>
>Goaltending            GPI     GA      Min     SO      AVG
>
>Shatalenkov, Mil       17      53       984    1       3.23

I assume this is Mikhail Shatalenkov, who was the starting
goaltender for the Gold Medal 1992 CIS Olympic team, and 
also the starting goaltender for the 1991 CIS Canada Cup team.
Does anybody know who owns his NHL rights?  I don't think he
has been drafted, and I remember a rule that Russians cannot
be signed as free agents if they are not drafted, so maybe 
he is still available.  I think that the Milwaukee Admirals have
no NHL affiliation, so maybe Mikhail was signed as an IHL
free agent, like Dmitri Kvartalnov for the San Diego Gulls
last year.  His OPC hockey card has him at 26 years old, so 
you would think he could still have many productive years ahead
of him.

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: LIGHTNING NEWS: Player Stats
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 09:03:04 GMT


Point Scorers for TB
Rnk  Pts  G   A PG SG EG PS PIM Cty Tm  Ps  #  Player
---  --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- --  ------
 12   50 28  22 12  0  2  0  32 CAN TB   C 19  Brian Bradley
 53   35 22  13  9  1  0  0   8 CAN TB  LW 16  Chris Kontos
 88   28  6  22  1  1  0  0  28 CAN TB   C 14  John Tucker
113   24  7  17  2  0  0  0  14 CAN TB   D  3  Doug Crossman
137   21  5  16  1  0  0  0  30 CAN TB   C  7 *Rob Zamuner
168   18  8  10  3  1  1  0  57 CAN TB   C 10  Adam Creighton
207   15  6   9  3  0  0  0  22 USA TB   D  2  Bob Beers
207   15  6   9  1  1  0  0  27 CAN TB   C 28  Marc Bureau
207   15  4  11  0  0  0  0  25 CAN TB   C 18  Rob DiMaio
219   14  5   9  5  0  0  0  78 CAN TB   D  5  Rob Ramage
229   13  5   8  0  1  0  1  10 SWE TB  LW 24  Mikael Andersson
229   13  2  11  0  0  0  0  53 CAN TB   D 29  Joe Reekie
242   12  3   9  2  0  0  0   6 USA TB   D 36  Shawn Chambers
258   11  4   7  0  0  0  0   6 USA TB  RW 24  Danton Cole
275   10  3   7  1  0  0  0  10 CAN TB  LW 37  Steve Maltais
294    9  3   6  1  0  0  0  24 TCH TB   D 44 *Roman Hamrlik
294    9  2   7  0  0  0  0  12 CAN TB   D 25  Marc Bergevin
294    9  2   7  0  0  0  0   2 CAN TB   C  8  Ken Hodge
339    7  2   5  0  1  0  0   2 CAN TB   C 11  Steve Kasper
395    5  1   4  0  0  0  0  68 USA TB   D 32  Peter Taglianetti
468    3  2   1  0  0  0  0   4 USA TB  RW 27 *Stan Drulia
494    2  1   1  0  0  0  0   2 CAN TB  RW 12  John Callander
494    2  1   1  0  0  0  0   2 CAN TB   C 20  Michel Mongeau
494    2  0   2  0  0  0  0  68 USA TB  RW 23  Mark Hartman
529    1  0   1  0  0  0  0   6 USA TB   D 26  Matt Hervey
529    1  0   1  0  0  0  0   2 USA TB   G 35  Pat Jablonski
529    1  0   1  0  0  0  0   7 CAN TB  LW 17  Basil McRae
529    1  0   1  0  0  0  0   0 CAN TB   G  1  Wendell Young
586    0  0   0  0  0  0  0   0 CAN TB   G 30  J.C Bergeron
586    0  0   0  0  0  0  0  11 CAN TB  RW 13  Martin Simard

Top 5 Goal Scorers
Rnk  Pts  G   A PG SG EG PS PIM Cty Tm  Ps  #  Player
---  --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- --  ------
  1   97 36  61  8  1  0  0  20 CAN PIT  C 66  Mario Lemieux
  2   53 29  24  9  0  0  0  30 CAN LA  LW 20  Luc Robitaille
  3   50 28  22 12  0  2  0  32 CAN TB   C 19  Brian Bradley
  3   47 28  19 11  0  0  0  20 RUS BUF RW 89  Alexander Mogilny
  5   54 27  27 12  0  0  0  38 USA PIT LW 25  Kevin Stevens
2 others tied

Top 5 Power-play Goal Scorers
Rnk  Pts  G   A PG SG EG PS PIM Cty Tm  Ps  #  Player
---  --- -- --- -- -- -- -- --- --- --- -- --  ------
  1   45 23  22 17  0  0  0  36 CAN BUF LW 25  Dave Andreychuk
  2   50 23  27 15  0  0  0  86 CAN PIT RW 22  Rick Tocchet
  3   56 26  30 14  2  0  0  18 CAN QUE  C 19  Joe Sakic
  4   54 27  27 12  0  0  0  38 USA PIT LW 25  Kevin Stevens
  4   50 28  22 12  0  2  0  32 CAN TB   C 19  Brian Bradley
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: WJHC: Stats
Date: 27 Dec 92 16:46:16 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Dec25.192113.29517@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

>In article <1992Dec25.082525.21743@klaava.Helsinki.FI> tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen) writes:
>>
>There aren't that many players in the NHL who are 22 and under...pretty
>much only the exceptional talent makes it before age 22.  If you
>provided a marquee tournament for 22 year olds in the Olympics, perhaps
>more players like Joe Juneau and Teemu Selanne wouldn't rush to the
>NHL, and take advantage of the Olympics.  Most Swedish and Finnish
>players don't come over at 19 or 20 anyway...and the NHL's tentative
>agreement with the Russians will probably limit the age at which
>most NHL teams will claim their any Russian draftees.

In Europe practically all players over 21 that have some real talent 
are playing for their club teams. It is difficult to get event the 
below 20 agegroup to practice together, because the clubs do not
like to give them for the internationla tournaments, because they
are just 'baby' tournamenst. Any single Swede or Finn coming before
the age of 23 are a great factor in the respective countries teams.

>A 22 or 23 year age-limit will also allow for at least one-kick
>at the cat for any potential superstar from any country when they
>are 18-20...and NHL teams, having such a tournament, might be content
>to let some of their younger players develop in their home countries
>in preparation for such an Olympic program.  The Canadian players
>who have spent time in the national and Olympic team program have
>perhaps benefitted more by their participation in it than they would
>have by playing in the minor leagues.  Selanne garnered the largest
>contract ever given to an enterring European by playing the waiting
>game cleverly...for the overall structure of hockey, an Olympic
>age-group tournament is the better idea.  The 22-23 year age limit
>also works well with respect to the US, since it blends in with
>US college hockey perfectly.

The contract of Teemu Sel{nne has nothing to do with this discussion.
Looks, like it is hard for you to stick to the subject.  I do not 
believe that the players would stay at home because of this 
'baby'-tournament.

>And it also leaves open the possiblity of a properly organized World
>Cup of Hockey...

Looks like the Opympic games is a political reality. The NBA 'dream
team' did not bother to participate in the basketball World Championships,
but they went to the Olympics. 

>Gerald

-Lauri Tarkkonen
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From: fischman@nynexst.com (Gary Fischman)
Subject: Re: Latest Leaf Trade Rumour
Reply-To: fischman@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 15:44:27 GMT

In article RXLLwB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>
>- Heard on The Fan radio 1430 in Toronto:
>-
>- The latest trade rumour is
>-
>- Rob Pearson and Felix Potvin to Edmonton for Joe Murphy and
>- Esa Tikkanen.
>-
[stuff deleted]
>
>  Gerald, after last night blunder against Montreal, I heard off the radip that
>there was a deal with New Jersy.   Stay tuned.
>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
> (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
>God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
>Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon


I heard a rumour that Tikannen, Murphy and the 1993 1st round pick were coming
to NJ for Stephan Richer, Claude Lemieux, and Kevin Todd!

I think that would be a *big* mistake for the Devils.
---
	Gary J. Fischman
	NYNEX Science & Technology
	fischman@nynexst.com

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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Stan Fischler, 12/27
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:14:43 GMT


From the 5:00 PM Devils game against the Hartford Whalers ...

* Stan repeated the Murphy/Clark and Murphy-Tikkanen/Clark-Pearson
rumours that have been floated down here from up north already ...
(remember, must hockey watchers in metro New York don't read the
Toronto Star! (-;)

* The latest round of the Phil Housley sweepstakes in Winnipeg have
the Rangers interested if Brian Leetch's stretched nerve continues to
look bad or gets worse ... Tony Amonte' and Jeff Beukeboom are said
to be part of a package either the Jets want or the Rangers offer.

* Among changes that Gary Bettman has on his list as commissioner
is the renaming of the divisions to North, South, East and West.

* The Dream Team(s) for the next Olympics is dead, due to it being
"mechanically impossible" according to Lightning gov David Lefebvre.
[I nearly threw up over how badly Stan mispronounced "Lefebvre"!]

gld
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From: John_Carson@mindlink.bc.ca (John Carson)
Subject: Re: StL/Har @ Birmingham - What happened to it?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:36:23 GMT

It was moved last week to Peoria due to bad ticket sales. Date was changed to
February I think. It was on the UPI feed and the r.s.h GROUP as well.

John
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From: jjc@moscom.com (John Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Toronto Leafs Home Schd.
Date: 30 Dec 92 14:32:55 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY


Could someone help me with the Leafs home schd. for jan and feb? 

thx 
john
From: eliot@cs.ubc.ca (Katie Eliot)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: What's wrong with Linden?
Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:00:45 -0800
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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In a word -- nothing!  It's just that the Canucks now have several other
talented players and so there is no longer the pressure on Trevor to
perform.  Although the expectation is still there that he will play like
he's the whole team, I think it's unrealistic.  I agree with you that he
does seem a little tentative but taking the C away from him would not
likely improve his game.  That kind of tactic seems a little petty --
better to bench him for a game or two to get the message across.  I
think his try is still there but now there are so many other players
(Bure, Nedved, Courtnall, Ronning, Semenov, etc.) who can score that
Trevor may feel his impact is not needed, and THAT could be why he's
slumping a little.  We should all have the Canucks' problems!!
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 13:45:34 -0500 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Hot Pens Trade Rumor
	<18DEC199212101926@venus.lerc.nasa.gov>


Ron Morris writes:

>In article <BzF0pD.Jqy.1@cs.cmu.edu>, lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
>writes...
>>Just heard this rumor.  Sounds pretty interesting.
>> 
>>Bob Probert, Steve Yzerman and Vincent Riendeau to Pgh. for Jagr, Stanton and
>>Wregget.  Then the Pens trade Yzerman to Winnipeg for Housley.
> 
>Not a chance.  Murray would be lynched before Probert and Yzerman
>made it to the airport.  However, it would be very interesting to
>see Anna's reaction to Bob being traded to the Pens.
> 
>Ron  (the Anti-Mom)

Here's my interesting reaction.  I probably would like Probert a lot if
he came here.  I never said he's not a good player.  I just think he
hurts his team too much by spending too much time in the box.  If we can
keep Tocchet out of the box we should be able to keep Probert out of it
too.  In fact, if he came here I'd probably buy a Probert jersey, and I
never even bought a Coffey jersey.  Although I ALMOST got a personalized
license plate for my car which read "PENS 77." But I figured once he was
traded, with my luck, someone like -- oh, Bob Probert maybe -- would
come here and wear 77.  (In all seriousness, I'd be willing to give
Probert a chance here.  It would take my mind off Ulf Samuelsson for a
while.)

Mom.

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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: WJHC: Stats
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 03:39:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.013022.18979@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <9212242250.AA00341@booth.usask.ca> glc39@booth.usask.ca (Glenn Chin) writes:
>
>>Prior to, I believe, 1982, Canada sent a club team to the WJHC.  Since
>>then, we have sent all-star teams that consisted of most of our best under-20
>>players.  With the development of hockey in USA and Europe (outside ex-USSR), we
>>can no longer play with under-20 players who are not yet ready for the NHL and
>>expect to do very well.
>>
>>I think the gap in the cumulative standings since 1982 between USSR/CIS and
>>Canada is narrower.
>
>And so much for Gerald's argument that it's more important to have a team that
>has played together than to have talent on the team, period.
>

The junior team has a hell of a lot more preparation time than the
various NHL All-star teams will...actually since 1977, I think, the
total is something like Soviets/Russians/CIS 9, Canada 5, Finland 1,
Sweden 1...Gretzky played on a junior "All-star-team"  in the late
seventies, so the 1982 date is certainly incorrect.

The success of the junior tournament and other younger age-group 
tournaments is actually an argument for an age-group Olympic tournament
with an age-limit of say around 23...because then essentially all
the top six hockey countries in the world would be equally competitive...
and would be a showcase tournament for the emerging stars...rather
than a chore for multi-million dollar professionals.


Gerald
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From: dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: WJHC: Stats
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 02:23:47 GMT


  As there was someone stating that Canada started sending better teams
since 1982, I looked up the results (the info was supplied by Alex--thanks)
of the tournaments and indeed found evidence that Canada got better starting
with 1982 (the year they won for the first time).

Here's the break-down:

1977-82		G S B  Medals  Points
1. USR		9 3 2	14	35
2. CAN    	5 2 2	 9	21     
3. TCH		0 5 5   10	15   
4. SWEDEN	1 3 3    7      12    
5. FINDLAND	1 3 2    6	11   
6. USA		0 0 2    2	 2   

1977-81		G S B  Medals  Points
1. USR		4 0 1	 5	13
2. SWEDEN	1 2 2    5       9    
3. FINDLAND	0 2 0    2	 4   
4. TCH		0 1 1    2	 3   
4. CAN    	0 1 1	 2	 3     
6. USA		0 0 0    0	 0   


1982-91		G S B  Medals  Points
1. USR		5 3 1	 9	22
2. CAN    	5 1 1	 7	18     
3. TCH		0 4 4    8	12   
4. FINDLAND	1 1 2    4	 7   
5. SWEDEN	0 2 1    3       5    
6. USA		0 0 2    2	 2   

(3-2-1 points for a medal, and I counted CIS as USR)

 - David

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: rangers & devils penalties
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:15:43 GMT

In article <1h8hhhINN9i8@phakt.usc.edu> dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
>
>What happened the other night? I just saw this box score:
>
>First period--Penalties--
>K.King, NYR, 1:48;
>Cirella, NYR, 1:48;
>Broten, NYR, 1:48;
>Wells, NYR, 1:48;
>Turcotte, NYR, 1:48;
>Fetisov, NJ, 1:48;
>Kasatonov, NJ, 1:48; 
>Semak, NJ, 1:48; 
>Holik, NJ, 1:48; 
>Zelepukin, NJ, 1:48; 
>
>
>Must have been a crowded penalty box!

Better yet, if not for the rule that you must have at least 3 players on ice,
and that coincidental minors cancel out unless it's 4-4, we would be seeing
John Vanbiesbrouck and Craig Billington alone on ice!  Who do you think would
win that confrontation? :-)

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From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: WJHC: Practice Game, Sweden-Canada
Date: 24 Dec 1992 01:32:36 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
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In article <1992Dec23.150042.6052@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>
> Preparation game for the WJHC.
>
> Sweden - Canada 8-5 (2-2,2-2,4-1)
>
> Niclas Sundblad scored 2 goals and 2 assists in a tough game where the
> Canadians tried to put themselves in respect to the Swedes. 

Nic was Calgary's first round draft pick last year.  He was touted
as a Swedish Wendel Clark (I'm sure Don Cherry will love him).

> A total of
> 82 penalty minutes were called, 14*2min for the Swedes and 22*2min +
> 1*10min for the Canadians. Peter Forsberg didn't play.

Just out of curiosity, do you know how many penalties Niclas received
in the game?  

>
> Staffan
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Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Andrew McKim in Boston
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 17:30:36 GMT

I noticed Andrew McKim scored a goal for Boston last night (Dec.26).
When did he get pulled up from Providence?  And how many games has he 
played for Boston?
 
He was a real crowd favorite last season in St.John's and I was 
dissappointed that he didn't re-sign with the Leafs -- good to see 
he's finally made the NHL, though!
 
Stephen Legge
From: glc39@booth.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Canada-USA WJHC game
Date: 26 Dec 1992 17:57:38 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I got most of the names of the players on the US junior team from TSN's
telecast of their game against Canada on Dec. 26th.  The names of the
backup goalie and a skater are missing.

Canada won the game 3-0 behind a solid, 40-save effort from undrafted goalie
Manny Legace.  USA went 0 for 7 on the power play, which included a two-man
advantage for about a minute and a half in the third period.  USA led
the 1992 WJHC in power play proficiency, cashing in on ten chances in
seven games.  Canada scored two of its three goals on the power play.
The Finnish referee, who also refereed at the Olympics, called the game
quite tightly.

American goalie Jim Carey played quite well, but misplayed the third goal by
Martin Gendron:  a low slap shot from high in the faceoff circle that appeared
to dip slightly, eluding Carey's glove on the short side.

Canada's number one forward line on
the power play was Dean McAmmond-Jeff Shantz-Nathan Lafayette.  The
second PP line consisted of Jason Dawe-Alexandre Daigle-Gendron.  Daigle
showed a few flashes of enormous speed and playmaking brilliance in the first
period, but wasn't a factor in the game, especially in the second
period when Canada had to kill about three straight penalties.

USA's number one power play unit consisted of Pomichter-Campbell-Rolston with
Peake and Wilkie on the points.  Peake is averaging over three points a
game in the OHL this season.

The players of the game were McAmmond for Canada and Rolston for USA.

Glenn


1993 US national junior team (under-20 men)

GOAL			Present club			NHL rights
 Jim Carey		Wisconsin		WCHA	Washington

DEFENSE
 Adam Bartell		RPI			ECAC	Quebec
+Brent Bilodeau(captain)Swift Current		WHL	Montreal
 Dan Brierley		?			?	NY Rangers
 Liam Garvey		Michigan Tech		WCHA
+Todd Hall		Boston College		HE	Hartford
+Brian Rafalski		Wisconsin		WCHA
 David Wilkie		Kamloops		WHL	Montreal

FORWARD
+Jim Campbell		Hull			QMJHL	Montreal
 Adam Deadmarsh		Portland		WHL
?Doug Evans?		Michigan		CCHA
+Chris Ferraro		Maine			HE	NY Rangers
+Peter Ferraro		Maine			HE	NY Rangers
+Brian Holzinger	Bowling Green		CCHA	Buffalo
 Brady Kramer		Providence		HE	Montreal
 Todd Marchant		Clarkson		ECAC
+Pat Peake		Detroit			OHL	Washington
 Mike Pomichter		Boston University	HE	Chicago
+Brian Rolston		Lake Superior State	CCHA	New Jersey
+Ryan Sittler		Michigan		CCHA	Philadelphia

Head Coach:  +Walt Kyle

+ Member of last year's team


Bilodeau and Deadmarsh (and Sittler?) have dual US-Canada citizenship.
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From: fischman@nynexst.com (Gary Fischman)
Subject: Re: John MacLean ??
Reply-To: fischman@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 20:24:23 GMT

>Why blame Brooks...he has been given a team without centers...
>blame the GM.
>
>Bowman and Keenan are the supreme line-jugglers of all time.
>
>Gerald


Yeah, I guess thats sorta what I meant when I said that Lamoriello would unload
Mac if his numbers don't improve.  I'm still bitter about Paul Ysebart, Pat Verbeek,
Kirk Muller.  ('Course, I'm happy about Holik, Lemieux.)

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	NYNEX Science & Technology
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics (was: WJHC: Practice Game, Sweden-Canada)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:41:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.150042.6052@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:
>
> Preparation game for the WJHC.
>
> Sweden - Canada 8-5 (2-2,2-2,4-1)
>
> Niclas Sundblad scored 2 goals and 2 assists in a tough game where the
> Canadians tried to put themselves in respect to the Swedes. A total of
> 82 penalty minutes were called, 14*2min for the Swedes and 22*2min +
> 1*10min for the Canadians. Peter Forsberg didn't play.
>

See what happens to North American teams when they don't have proper
preparation time for European touraments...and the Canadian junior team
will have a comparatively long preparation time and exhibition games...
almost 3 weeks of preparation, whereas NHL Olympic teams would have
a weekend.  And for the two weeks in Canada, that junior team was
drilled about being disciplined.  Hopefully, they will have learnt
a lesson in time for the tournament this weekend.

Dave King's Canadian teams prepared year round to play disciplined
hockey so as to not have the hockey deteriorate into an orgy of
penalties, mostly which from a lack of mental and team
preparation and unfamiliarity with European officiating.

NHL teams in the Olympics would be potentially a huge public relations
disaster...Dave King ran such an professional operation that we've 
forgotten what asses unprepared teams can make of themselves.

Gerald