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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 17:33:00 EST
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy

In article <1992Dec13.063021.28547@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel
A) says:
>In article <1992Dec13.041029.9962@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu
>(Martin Black) writes:
>>Exactly!  There is not even one wb 2.0 shot in the entire january 93 issue
>>of amigaworld.  So what in the world are you talking about?

[snippety, snip]

>2) It seems beyond me that Amigaworld, *AMIGA*World, wouldn't have shots of
>the Workbench.

Strange but true. What a weird and wonderful world we live in, huh?

So essentially, you STILL haven't seen the 2.04 Workbench, and are therefore
in no position to criticize it. Come back when you HAVE seen one.

"Thank you, Dr. Science."

[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: World of Commodore Toronto
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:41:16 GMT

In <1992Dec14.082915.19216@eua.ericsson.se> etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl) writes:
>>      Wrong.  3.0 also adds Datatypes.library, the directory caching FFS,
>Sorry to break in here, but what is this Datatypes.library actally? Who uses
>it?

The datatype.libary is used to access arbitrary file formats. Each datatype
is implemented as a shared library that knows how to read/write a specific
information, how to display it and how to handle this datatype from within
a program.

The 3.0 program MultiView uses the datatype.library to display arbitrary
files. WB 3.0 currently defines data types for ILBMs, AmigaGuide documents,
and FTXT (not sure if the list is complete but further datatypes will follow).

Regards,
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: COntinued from last quote.....
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:29:01 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

Well, -that- ended abruptly, DLG sent the message, "message buffer full"!

By the way, I was using LSE for the editing, and screwed up -- there are
some missing >  that I didn't get in, and therefore some things which
actually are quotes don't look like quotes.  SEE why I don't like quoting?
Even doing it off-line I make errors!

By the way, there's a discussion in the Science Fiction Round Table on
GEnie in Steve Brust's TOPic about computer editors and especially GEnie's
editor.  There are a number of opinions about how much use inividuals make
of it [if "individuals" came out looking wrong, it's because I got a
message in the middle of typing that I've got 2 min left on line tonight.] 

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:08:37 GMT

>"Multitasking VDM"? Oh, you're running them in a DOS emulator, then. They're
>not written for OS/2. Ah, that explains it.
>
>Eventually you will start getting some games written for OS/2, then maybe
>you'll be able to do all this nice stuff we've been doing on our Amigas since
>late 1985.

#1.Most Amiga games CANNOT multitask, with, say a download (which is
what we were discussing.

#2.At least a DOS program under OS/2 cannot grab hold of the whole
machine, an Amiga program can.

#3.If I decide to cancel my terminal communication and run the DOS
game alone, it will probably end up being a better game then an Amiga
user's wet dream!

I can't wait to see the next one...seventh guest.  2 CDs of three
dimensional raytracing in ONE game.
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 or NOT
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:26:43 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1g8m8lINN6t2@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.180821.1496@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>
>>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate who also had and Apple ][ and did something with it
>>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>
>It seems that we're all a bunch of Apple's 8-bit rejects.  ;)

I beg to differ. I learnt computing on some (wannabe) mainframes, but the
first micro I really used and loved was a PET. I had the chance to at least
try a bunch of others and also do real work on a few different ones, but
I always returned to my Commodore one with big relief. And that was long
before I joined the company.

-- 
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Commodore Frankfurt, Germany  \X/ {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!cbmger!peterk
Wer's nicht kann, soll's bleiben klopfen oder Steine lassen!
From: kkrebs@amilink.UUCP (Ken Krebs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A1200 v Clones - just the figures please
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us (Ken Krebs)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:20:01 PST
Organization: Citizens Against Whiny A-Holes, Sacramento, CA

In article <BzFKn3.C2@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
> >- 24-bit palette [most PCs bought for the home have 18-bit VGA/SVGA  
> >palettes],
> 
> What video card has an 18 bit palette?  By palette, I'm assuming you
> mean the number of possible colour choices, not the number at one
> time.


Most VGA/SVGA cards have 18-bit palettes, don't they?  Aren't they limited
to 262144 colors?  (With 256 displayable at one time...excluding the
"true-color" 32768/64xxx cards)



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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: A Message of Thanks
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:31:56 GMT

   I just wished to give a message of thanks to the people at the University of
Nebraska at Omaha.  Without the kindess of these people, and their willingness
to allow their Xyplex in-dial system to be used by students of other 
universities, I would not be able to continue to use my Iowa State accounts 
for free (by a local phone call from home) and continue posting news
uninterupted throughout the Christmas holiday break.  

   Merry Christmas!  :-) :-) :-)

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From: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is BLAZEMONGER ?
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:16:09 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <d0per.724439048@dtek.chalmers.se>, d0per@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Hiller) writes:
> m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) writes:
> 
>>What is BLAZEMONGER ?
>>Mattias Myrberg
> 
>
>  [ extremely long and wrong explaination of BLAZEMONGER deleted... ]

  Ok, Ok, we ALL know that BLAZEMONGER is nothing more than a
  solar powered flashlight simulation with support for the PA chipset...

--
Travis Carter


 
> - Martin.
> --
>     // Martin Hiller (d0per@dtek.chalmers.se)| Currently doing military service
> \\ //  Chalmers University of Technology     | for the King of Sweden at Lv6
>  \X/   Gothenburg, Sweden, Europe            | in Gothenburg.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Joe Bob)
Subject: Re: ATTN: We're buying part of C=
Keywords: money
Organization: a gora
Distribution: world 
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:04:59 GMT


  Now that December 17th is past, has anyone figured out whether
this plan to get Commodore's stock noticed worked or not?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:02:40 GMT

>So you're trying to tell me that when the Amiga was introduced with
>graphics a standard on the machine and 8 bit 4 channel true stereo sound
>and could multitask on 256K RAM which was well beyond IBM/compat standard
>technology at the time at a cheaper price, that it had NO influence in
>the them investing in R&D to get equal and better technology, I just
>have to sit back and laugh at your logic.

You're damn right!  Microsoft was talking about "windows" before the
Amiga was even invented.  It took them a long time to ship, though, but
the idea of graphics and sound did not originate with the Amiga!

In fact, if anyone was borrowed from it was the Mac, that was real
competition for IBM machines.  Nobody at IBM has ever, or will ever,
even notice the Amiga exists as far as competition or innovation goes.


Besides, there is nothing new under the sun.  Nothing the Amiga did
was not done before.  Nothing OS/2 or Windows NT does has not been done
before.  It's all in the price, packaging and marketing that make some
products better then others, not "innovation."
From: jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:01:24 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <BzKosp.2zF@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   It looks like Commodore really is going to be the last major personal
>computer company to bring out a desktop computer with a CD-ROM drive.  Really
>pathetic.

You mean the CDTV (A500)?

-- 
| John A. Dutka, Jr.   | Micro Credo:                                        |
| jdutka@wpi.wpi.edu   | Never trust a computer bigger than you can lift.    |
| Worcester Polytechnic Institute ___________________________________________|
From: pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter Sj|str|m)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:00:17 GMT
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd

In <Bz9Bno.GsH@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>   Commodore has never proven to me, to my satisfaction, that the CDTV is
>still alive.

	Can't you ever stop??? What do you want CBM to tell *you*? CBM still
sells CDTV machines, they announced that there will be an AGA CDTV, they
announced that the Amiga line will get CDTV integrated into it. What *do*
you really want them to prove? What is 'satisfaction' to you?

		/A Peter soon RTFM about kill files...	
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Frank viewed the screenshots online [was: Re: Dan uploaded...] 
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 04:43:54 GMT

Well... I looked at the screenshots as soon as I downloaded them...

It was kind of funny. I ftp'd *.GIF, and then viewed the same, so xv2 went
through them in order. I was stepping through Dan's shots... then it jumped
right into DeepsWB.GIF. It was like entering heaven, after passing through 
the gates of hell!

No offense, Dan, but I'll stick with WB 2.x. The first two screen shots were
UGLY as hell! All boring and grey and not-nice. The third and fourth were
better, but I'll keep my "ugly" 16-color colored-but-not-scary WB, thanx.

I hope those screens look better on your display. On these cheap PS/2 screens
they have the XStations hooked up to, it was almost unreadable!

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From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does the President have an email address?
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:55:14 GMT
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au's message of 10 Dec 92 11:58:11 GMT

>>>>> On 10 Dec 92 11:58:11 GMT, rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis) said:

Robster> Hi,
Robster> Does anyone the email address of the President of the USA?  
Robster> I have a few things to talk to him about! ;-)    

Yes, I could tell it to you but I'd have to kill you immediately
afterwards.

Robster> Ok, no more Mr NiceGuy!!  The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a
Robster> piece of SHIT!  Get off your fattened ARSES and do something
Robster> for FREEDOM!! LIBERATE the BALTIC STATES! Get the RUSSIAN ARMY
Robster> out of LATVIA! BROTHERS, let us UNITE!!

Hmmm, maybe I should, idiot. ;-)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:01:36 GMT

>any good, it should be using DMA) and I/O address on the AT bus for it.  Great!
>Then you can get a CD-ROM drive and do it all again.  Sorry, I forgot  - you
>hang your CD-ROM off your sound card - what a logical place to put it!

If I can get graphics, sound and a CD-ROM on a single board, why not?
That just leaves more boards for coprocessors, modems, etc. etc.

It makes no sense to WISH for seperate boards if you can get them (and
cheaper) integrated!

>I think putting IDE in the A4000 was a great decision - it gives freedom of
>choice to the purchaser.  Commodore did the right thing with this one...

I think IDE is a soon-to-be dying standard.  I would NOT put it on a
"futuristic" computer.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: How does this HAM kludge work?
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Distribution: inet
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:56:54 GMT

In <1gi27tINNju4@mercury.kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:
>Have you any idea how HAM8 works? I've heard reports that there isn't any
>HAM fringing and was curious how this might have been acomplished.

Just like HAM6 except that you have 8 bitplanes instead of 6. With HAM6
you have 2 control bits and 4 data bits. The control bits determine
wether you select on of 16 color registers or wether you change one of
the prime colors. In HAM8 you have 6 data bits which can select 64
color registers and you can set 6 bits of the prime color. This gives
you access to 64x64x64 = 256k colors. Since AGA has 8 bits per prime color
you can't change the lower 2 bits with a HAM change (but a color register
may still specify the 2 lower bits).

There is still HAM fringing. However, you can use HAM in hires and superhires
modes too which makes the fringes hardly noticable.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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From: matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Screenshots: Results:
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:43:31 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Stephenson Daniel A (das9674@usl.edu) wrote:

: The WB2 shots were low color enough.  Gack, how can you guys stand it?

Alright, after christmas (going to my home town today) you'll get a
screen dump of my WB2. At least _I_ don't think it's awful.

Merry Christmas.

--
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=  Mattias  =  matt-dah@dsv.su.se  =  I love it.        =
=========================================================
=  If we don't *buy* our programs, there soon won't be  =
=  any new software for the Amiga. Obvious, is it not?  =
=========================================================
From: menzies@CAM.ORG (Stephen Menzies)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Jan'93 AmigaWorld
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:21:26 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:

>[...]

>Caligari24 renders in 32-bit color?

>[...]
>-- Gerald

Yes, it renders in 32-bit color. Infact, it's the same renderer as the 
broadcast version. The 32bit color gives seamless (the best i've seen
on the amiga) background and foreground merges. I use it constantly
for single images and it's impossible to tell whether the image is
a merge of several images or not, even at 4x5 resolutions.
	
-stephen
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re:   OS/2 vs Win NT
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 00:41:27 GMT

In article <root.03at@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>What is all this NT crap?
>I've never seen such hype over vaporware.

>Has Billy Boy promised to make you a prince?

Relax, we're only speculating. No one's lauding NT as computing nirvana.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:51:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.021529.20368@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
|> 1) I like the looks of the Amiga1200 and the Amiga600! Really!  The A1200
|> looks like a 'matured' A500, IMO.  The 600 look fine, too.  I like the tilted-
|> up look to them
|> 
|> 2) Wow, that WB 2.0 looks AWFUL.  Granted, I haven't actually used it, but
|> from the screen shot, it looks SO primitive!  I guess it is the 4 colors only
|> that does it.  Really, it hardly looks any better than the mouse-interface 
|> for MSDOS 5.0's EDIT.COM.  Or QBasic. You get the picture.  Really, you guys
|> may claim Windows and OS/2 looks to flashy/blocky/clumsy, but WB2.0 looks
|> primitive as hell!

Well, the default is a little goofy looking. You should see my workbench, with
the just-edited 16-colour palette and the RDM 16-color icons. They look REALLY
good -- colorful, but not in the gaudy way that Windows and OS/2 are colorful.
More like the soft, muted MAC colors, but more 3D and more functionally used.

Tell you what, I **WILL** let you see it. I've got finals this week, and then
I'll be home for three weeks with no net access. In a month from now, I should
have it completely tweaked to my satisfaction. Remind me, (and I'll try to 
remember, too...), and I'll have ADPro slap together a .GIF or a .JPG and
put it onto some FTP site for you. Then, you can get a real look.

I can't believe how many people are still using the Topaz 8 font for their 
window titles! UGH. First thing I did when I got 2.04 was to install all of my
PPage CGfonts into the Workbench, and change my titlebars and icon labels. 
MUCH nicer, now.

|> --
|> Dan Stephenson                                                 das9674@usl.edu  
|> "There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
|> lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
|>                         -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Looking for Amiga dealer...
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:28:22 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: na

I'm lusting for a new Amiga. I sold my A3000 system to get a new
AGA system. I want to get an A1200. Problem is, they aint
shipping here in the Seattle area (or anywhere else in the US).

So, does anybody know of Amiga dealer in Vancouver or Victoria B.C.
that have A1200s in stock? PLease e-mail me with a phone number.

Also, if I get the non-HD version, can I just plop in an IDE drive
without getting a new rom or other modifications?

IanK@microsoft.com
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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:31:24 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <SUOPANKI.92Dec11232419@stekt6.oulu.fi>

Computer Chronicals, a weekly syndicated half hour series hosted
by one Stuart Chiefet (I catch it in SoCal on KOCE-50, Huntington
Beach which my cable company carries), did its COMDEX/Vegas report
show tonight. Commodore's booth got a couple of camera angles
and about 15 seconds of air-time mention.  Chiefet mentioned that
they had introduced "The new model Amiga 1200 for about $600" and
the comment that stuck with me was when he said, in reference
to the "multimedia" nature of this recent COMDEX, "Five years ago
Commodore OWNED the multimedia market."

Harv