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From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIEN(S)(3)
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:22:52 GMT
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way

In article <u906789.713781770@bruny> u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner) writes:
>daynem@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller) writes:
>>	So why don't I think there are any 
>>fertile male aliens? Because I think the aliens 
>>are a created species, not an evolved one (put 
>>THAT in a pipe and smoke it, Darwin).
>How do you know this? I know this is just your opinion but there really isn't
>and evidence either way. And the _Alien_ novelization suggests that the aliens
>were NOT from the alien ship (i.e. not a bio-weapon). More likely senario
>(IMHO) is that the alien ship landed on LV426, encountered the alien(s)(which
>may or may not be indigeous(sp??)) implanted the pilot killing it. Then a 
>queen laid the eggs in the ship which reamianed dorment until along came Ripley
>& co....

I would favor the theory that the Elephants picked up the Aliens from
somewhere (assuming the Aliens evolved and weren't created, which I
find difficult to believe), they got loose on board the ship, and
killed the pilot, who had time to set up his warning beacon and maybe
crash-land on LV-426 - the alien that killed him died off before it
could do anything since it had no food supply.  This is mostly because
I don't think the eggs would've been found on LV-426 - where would
they have come from?

> It just seems that if the aliens were manufatured by the beings on
>the alien ship then they would take adequate precautions to prevent
>the eggs from hatchingand attaking the crew. If you accept that a
>stimulus is required to cause an eggto open then one of the crew would
>have to done it, which would seem rather a silly thing to do if you
>knew how lethel the facehuggers were.

Well, yes.  You also hope that people who handle firearms, explosives,
toxic waste, nuclear power plants, etc. take every precaution
possible.  Doesn't always happen.  And accidents do occur.
-- 
Bill "Whassamatter?!  Can't you take a joke?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
From: exukozi@exu.ericsson.se (Tom Koziatek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Naming Alien 4
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:55:02 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems



How about 'Alien 4: The Apology for Alien 3'.......

Also, they could not charge to see it.

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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River (was re: ALIEN^3 Eggs on Sulaco)
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:36:45 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug17.095610.58200@cc.usu.edu> slb3y@cc.usu.edu (Punk Rocketeer) writes:

*>     OK, I've missed something here.  Why does a movie have to have a
*>happy ending?  Why does Ripley deserve a break?  Too many movies these
*>days try to make the audience feel good.  I've heard "Pretty Woman"
*>originally had a sad ending, but it was reshot because test audiences
*>didn't like it.  Others have claimed "Casablanca" could not be made
*>today because it doesn't have a happy ending.

*>     So what!  I liked Alien^3 in part because they didn't wimp out
*>and give us a feel-good ending.

Bra-fucking-vo!!!!!!!

-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | Sign in a restaurant:
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From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green)
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River (was re: ALIEN^3 Eggs on Sulaco)
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 00:14:57 GMT

In article <9223202.405@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:
>gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green) writes:

... stuff about relative temperatures of flamethrowers and molten lead
... deleted ( I'll do some research then "I'll be back" )

>Ash says that the FACEHUGGER is growing a protective SILICON-BASED COVERING.
>Far from conclusive evidence that the adult alien has a biochemistry which is
>entirely silicon-based.

Isn't it unlikely that the adult aliens have a different biochemistry to
the hacehuggers. I'm no biochemist - this is just my opinion.

-- 
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* Comms Group     *  "That trick never works"                            *
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* CSIRO Australia *  "No doubt about it - I gotta get another hat"       *
From: daynem@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: ALIENS 3
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:41:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug13.204104.20164
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Does ANYONE out there know how I can get my hands on a copy of William
Gibson's original screenplay for ALIENS 3??!!!

ANY help on this would be much appreciated. Please e-mail any responses!

     Dayne Miller
       daynem@u.washington.edu


"You point that toy at me and I will, quite literally, rip your spine from
 your body."              
                             -VAMPIRE$, by John Steakley     
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From: welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Alien^3?
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:35:51 GMT

boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake-up...) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.005658.25530@socrates.umd.edu>, caruso@socrates.umd.edu (John Caruso) writes...

>} But to even talk about Alien^3 in these terms is to give it far more
>} credit than it deserves; I've gone right past the complete incoherence
>} and rampant idiocy of the plot itself. Ripley goes to find the alien
>} so it can end her life, but she's already fully aware--has had it
>} graphically demonstrated to her--that it won't kill her because she's
>} a host.

>Which only goes to demonstrate that the filmmakers couldn't see what was
>right in front of their nose. If I was Ripley, my train of thought would
>be:

>(1) The Alien doesn't want to kill or hurt me because I'm carrying a
>    queen embryo.
>(2) I hate this Alien, and I want to kill it.
>(3) Because of (1), if I try to kill it, it won't fight back.
>(4) If I get doused with acid trying to kill it, I'll die, but I'll die
>    anyway when the embryo "hatches", so who cares?  If I die this way,
>    I might kill the embryo in the process.

>At that point, I'd pick up a heavy iron bar, go down into the tunnels,
>find the Alien, and whack the living shit out of it.

>This would've been the logical end to Ripley's story. If they'd done it
>this way, I don't think it could've salvaged the film as a whole, but
>it would've resulted in a better film than what we got.

Uhm Jerry, I think she did try that. Before she asked Dillon to kill her
she went looking for the alien, she picked up an iron bar and when she 
thought she saw the alien she hit it very hard, except it turned out to be
a pipe which she bust open. Then all those lice squirmed out of the hole
and Ripley dropped the iron bar and walked away, meeting the alien on her
way out of the basement.

Richard

>	"She's my radiation baby.
>	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

>--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)
>    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

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From: michaell@cogs.susx.ac.uk (Michael Lazarou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Naming Alien 4
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:09:37 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex at Brighton
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Joshua Bell (jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
: In article <edd151s.713586079@nella1.cc.monash.edu.au> edd151s@nella1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr I.P. Rayner) writes:
: >dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu (dann cutter) writes:
: >>As the Alien series has bben able to avoid the regular structure for naming
: >>sequels, how they could name alien 4 has bugged me for a while. I have come
:

[...]

: Or, we could always go for Aliens' (on the homeworld), A Fistfull
: of Aliens (set in the old west), 7 Hosts for 7 Aliens (a few
: sequels down the line...)... sigh, I remember the speculation for
: III - Three Aliens and a Little Lady, The Three Aliens,
: Alienses... :)


How about "For a few Aliens more", "An Alien too far", "Son of Alien",
"Dances with Aliens", "RoboAlien", ......

--
INSSOMNIAK
From: dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (David Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Godzilla tiple bill info update
Keywords: Godzilla Japanese Monster
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:11:51 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

Speaking of Godzilla films coming out on home video, GOJIRA
TAI KINGU GIDORA is going to be released on laserdisc in Japan
in December. It is going to be on a three-sided CAV disc, and it 
will include THE MAKING OF GOJIRA TAI KINGU GIDORA.

The film is already out on laserdisc in Hong Kong. The disc is
slightly edited, and the print is not the greatest, but it does have
English subtitles. 



David Milner  Columbia University
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From: leeper@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Mark R. Leeper)
Subject: Re: Movie indentification request
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 13:00:54 GMT

In article <92227.065231MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> We are trying to identify a movie remembered from about 1980.
> Here is the plot:  A highly lethal virus escapes from an
> experimental lab in Canada.  The first victim is a bird.  Some
> children on a snowy playground bury the bird and in touching it,
> start the spread of the disease.  A woman flees to the USA, not
> realizing she is safe from the disease, but she is a carrier and
> leaves death in her wake.  One stop she makes is at a fast-food
> place that has just received an order for many sandwiches to be
> delivered.  An employee touches the money she gives him and goes
> on making sandwiches...
> 
> Can anyone identify the movie.  We've tried movie index sources
> we know of, but hope someone's memory will help.  For all we
> know, it might not be a theatrical release, but maybe a TV movie
> or even an episode of a TV show.

Could it be the 1978 film PLAGUE?  It had Kate Reid, whom you might
remember as a cantankerous scientist in ANDROMEDA STRAIN.  Does that
ring any bells?

				Mark Leeper
				...att!mtgzfs3!leeper
				(908)957-5619
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From: gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green)
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River (was re: ALIEN^3 Eggs on Sulaco)
Organization: CSIRO ITS
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 01:48:28 GMT

In article <9223300.27460@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:
>gre253@mis.csiro.au (Steven Green) writes:
>
>>In article <9223212.11090@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> jamesbs@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (JJ Glamma) writes:

... stuff about telemetry data removed ...


>>Here's an idea - who says there was'nt another android on the Sulaco the
>>whole time? Sort of an insurance policy for the company. Ripley and the rest
>>go into hypersleep - the android pilots a dropship to the derelict and
>>carts a few eggs inside. Simple. 
>
>Sulaco was a military transport, operated by the Marine Corps. Getting an
>android on board like that would be nowhere near as easy for the Company as
>getting Ash on board Nostromo had been. In fact, the word "impossible" springs
>to mind.

It's my impression that the Marine Corps were more-or-less in the pocket
of "the company" anyway. In which case the above scenario could be plausible.

-- 
* Steve Green     *  "Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit outa my hat!"    *
* Comms Group     *  "That trick never works"                            *
* ITS Branch      *  "Nothin' up my sleeve - PRESTO"                     *
* CSIRO Australia *  "No doubt about it - I gotta get another hat"       *
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From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
Subject: Re: Natives Down the River (was re: ALIEN^3 Eggs on Sulaco)
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:46:26 GMT

seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:

>	If YOU like that, fine, but I prefer to believe that when one creates
>a fictional universe one can come up with something at least a little BETTER
>than the one you LIVE in.

I take it you didn't like "1984" then? Or a host of other movies and 
other works of art that make you think?

Life's not nice, y'know. If you want a security blanket, stay at home
and hide under the covers.
P.
-- 
moorcockheathersiainbankshamandcornpizzapjorourkebluesbrothersspikeleepratchett
clive P a u l  M o l o n e y "Lines of light ranged in the nonspace of the  rem
james Trinity College,Dublin PMOLONEY%MATHS.TCD.IE@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU mind." vr
brownbladerunnerorsonscottcardprincewatchmenkatebushbatmanthekillingjoketolkien
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From: urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Urban)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI - What anachronisms!
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:56:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.230202.23378@sequent.com>, davest@sequent.com (David C. Stewart) writes:
> 	After watching "Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country" a couple
> of times, it strikes me that this film has one of the most anachronistic
> looks of any of the Star Trek works (the old, the new, the movies).
>...    <SEVERAL EXAMPLES> ...
> 	I can't say I totally dislike the effect - it makes the
> Enterprise a more believable environment for people to live
> in.  However, the cheesiness of that galley scean just goes over the
> top for me.


The one that really blew my suspension of disbelief
was the clothbound Klingon Dictionaries that Uhura and the
others consult when they are about to bluff their way into
Klingon space.  It was intended as a `joke', of course (rather
like Spock's `Vulcan proverb' about Nixon and China), but it was
simply too jarring.

If _I_ had been asked how to do the scene, I would have had
Scotty wondering how to handle the Klingon language since the
Translator was unavailable, and have Uhura mention that she 
knows Klingon, although she hasn't used it in years.  When
everyone expresses surprise, she could reply, `I am a senior
Starfleet Communications specialist.  Did you think that that
was just a glorified telephone operator?'  Then proceed to the
same `broken Klingon malaprops' gags.  This gives you an
in-joke (people often complain about the `telephone-operator' role
Uhura assumes), a milder anachronism (reference to a telephone operator),
and provides a nice bit of character depth.

But nobody was asking me.
-- 
	Mike Urban

	urban@cobra.jpl.nasa.gov

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From: jhpace1@eos.ncsu.edu (Technoknight)
Subject: Re: THE CLOWN IN "IT"
Originator: jhpace1@c00498-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jhpace1@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: Secret_NCSU_group
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:03:58 GMT


Tim Curry also played the main character of the butler in "Clue" (with Coleen
Camp as the maid!!!)
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From: ccw@prefect.uucp (26554-wood)
Subject: Re: 2001, 2010 and David Bowman
Reply-To: ccw@prefect.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:16:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.171910.3773@tolten.puc.cl> flalbert@lascar.puc.cl
(L.Alberti IIC.FUN) writes:

>As you know, 2001 movie was made in 1968 (more or less) and there is one
>character called "David Bowman". In 1986 was made 2010; in this movie
>appears again David Bowman ... and he looks identical to 2001's Bowman:
>not just look-alike, but IDENTICAL.

>In 2010 credits, Bowman is performed by Keir Bullea.

I believe it's Kier Dullea, but I could be wrong

>In 2001 credits, there is no reference to anyone (just a "A Stanley
>Kubrick Release" message). Well... here is my question: does anyone know
>who performed Bowman in 2001????

The same actor.

Chris



Chris Wood     Bellcore     ...!bellcore!prefect!ccw
                         or ccw@prefect.cc.bellcore.com

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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Godzilla tiple bill info update
Keywords: Godzilla Japanese Monster
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:05:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.151151.27805@news.columbia.edu> dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (David Milner) writes:
>Speaking of Godzilla films coming out on home video, GOJIRA
>TAI KINGU GIDORA is going to be released on laserdisc in Japan
>in December. It is going to be on a three-sided CAV disc, and it 
>will include THE MAKING OF GOJIRA TAI KINGU GIDORA.
>The film is already out on laserdisc in Hong Kong. The disc is
>slightly edited, and the print is not the greatest, but it does have
>English subtitles. 

Hm.  Is this the same as the English subtitled version floating around for
some time? (And if so, did they edit that one, too, and what's missing?)
--
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     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: CDOMS@VAX1.UMKC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: RE:Nightfall
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:11:45 GMT

For those who rented NightFall, don't feel too bad.  My husband and I
paid full price in the theater to see this turkey.  It looked like it
had been sitting in a can for 10 plus years as well.  Does anyone know
if it was one of those films that was in a vault for several years before
releasing it?

SPOILER:

For those of you that have seen the movie.  My husband said "You know
if that snake the bit that guy several inches higher, this would have
been a completely different movie."  **WICKED GRIN**

Carol Doms
cdoms@umkcvax1
cdoms@vax1.umkc.edu
From: hs0sagg@gdt.bath.ac.uk (Simon Granville)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: ALIEN(S)(3)
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:31:54 GMT
Organization: School of Social Sciences, University of Bath, UK

>>	So why don't I think there are any 
>>fertile male aliens? Because I think the aliens 
>>are a created species, not an evolved one (put 
>>THAT in a pipe and smoke it, Darwin). I find it 
>>difficult to imagine a planetary environment 
>>where the aliens would have evolved into the 
>>form and lifecycle that they have (and if they 
>>did, what kind of species evolved as their 
>>rivals?) Here's the idea. Two races are 
>>involved in some sort of interstellar racial 
>>war. One of them develops a killer organisn 
>>(the alien we all know and love) and attempts 
>>to seed it onto the planet or planets of their 
>>enemy. The ship we saw crashed on Acheron was 
>>likely one of the seeding ships, with an 
>>architecture designed to transport thousands of 
>>the eggs to the enemy. Somehow someone screwed 
>>up and miscalculated, and at least one of the 
>>aliens got free, killed the pilot, and caused 
>>the ship to crash. Alternately, the ship could 
>>belong to the original target race, which has 
>>been "infested", or even to a third race which 
>>wandered onto the scene after the aliens wiped 
>>out both their designated enemies and their 
>>miscalculating progenitors. Remember, the 
>>Company wanted the aliens for their bioweapons 
>>division. What better (in their minds) than a 
>>creature that has already been developed for 
>>such a purpose?
>
This theory was put forward in the Aliens.vs.Predator comics, that the
aliens are sort of training/initiation enemies for young predators.



-- 
Toodle pip,          

Simon
From: woocm@essex.ac.uk (Chris Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Laserdiscs - general questions??
Date: 13 Aug 92 07:45:21 GMT
Reply-To: woocm@essex.ac.uk (Chris Wood)
Organization: University of Essex, U.K.


	I've read alot about laserdiscs and the quality etc of
them for some time. So I thought I might invest in one soon
when I have some spare cash :-). Now I gather that there are
a few different types of laserdisc player, i.e. I've seen some
second hand ones, I just want to check a couple of points before
buying one, and it ssems that on this newsgroup that many people
have one....

1) Are there different types? If so which is the best IYO.

2) How easy is it to get laserdiscs in the U.K., are there any
high-street retailers that also do discs or do most people get
theirs by mail-order?

	Sorry if this is the wrong newsgroup, and I think that
replies by email would be best as I'd rather not get flamed for
wasting this groups bandwidth.

	Thanks,

	C.W.

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From: murphy@CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU (Keith Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: RE: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #413
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:56:38 GMT


	I saw "Nightfall" when it was released in theatres.  The rumor
	at that time was that it was only released to fill a void
	created by an ongoing [either SAG or the writer's guild, I
	forget] strike.  Before then, the movie had been shelved
	due to it's "lack of quality"   But that was the rumor at
	that time.  The only strong memory of the whole affair was
	hassling the theatre manager to get my money back.  Sorry,
	but I thought "Ator" was better than "nightfall."
					Keith Murphy
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