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From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
Subject: kill your darlings
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:07:53 GMT


a common screenplay saying is "kill your darlings," which means, eliminate
anything in your script that is not essential to the plot.
Aren't there some great films that have scenes that are not essential?
What do you think of these:
In Star Wars, there is a scene where Luke and Leia are separated from
Han and Chewie, so that Luke swings over the bridge and Han runs around
shooting. The thing is, afterwards, aren't they right back to where they
started? Don't these scenes not make the story progress?

In the Godfather, what about the horse's head scene? Does that move
the story forward? or is it necessary to develop characters?

did you know that a great scene was cut from Annie Hall because it
wasn't essential? it was Woody making friends with some guys in jail.
-- 
Robert Chao
Oakland, California
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From: chalmers@ora.com (Leslie Chalmers)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Critique Wanted II
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:56:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: ora.BxB8q1.In
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.


If anyone has any critiques of the poem I posted earlier, please
email me--Our network is down today.  Thanks.
From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: TECHNICAL: online/on-line
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:14:06 GMT
Followup-To: misc.writing
Organization: Grass Valley Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: oboe.gvg.tek.com

Regarding the term "on-line," Jeff Jungblut writes:

> I'm not consistent in that respect.  Here are some examples of how I use it:
> 
> "Make sure the printer is on line and selected."
> "Press Command-? for online help."
> "You use a modem for on-line communications with a remote computer."

There are a three standard rules at work here that you need to know about: 

The first is that when a compound adjective appears after the noun it
modifies, the adjective is not hyphenated (your first sentence fits this
rule). 

The second is that when a compound adjective appears before the noun it
modifies, the adjective is generally hyphenated (this fits your last
sentence). 

The third rule is that a reliable dictionary is the ultimate source for
determining hyphenation. Typically, when a compound is new in the language,
it is hyphenated, as in your last sentence, and the dictionary reflects
this. But when the term becomes a popular expression, the hyphen usually
gets dropped, as in your second sentence, and eventually the dictionary
changes to reflect this when the popular momentum becomes great enough. 

Generally speaking, a writer who is concerned about being "correct" will
use whatever form is recommended by a current reliable dictionary. But more
important, at least for me, is to be consistent, because inconsistency, at
the very least, makes one appear careless and possibly ignorant, and at the
very worst, annoys or confuses the reader.

Regarding "on-line," the 1992 American Heritage English Dictionary (on-line
version) spells it "on-line." So that's what I would use when using it
before a noun. Nevertheless, you're quite right that it is becoming popular
in the media to write "online," and in a few years the dictionary will
probably follow suit.

Chuck Petch
Technical Editor
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From: suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Suzanne Barrett)
Subject: Re:    Theme?
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 19:51:19 GMT

In article <Bx9B00.MsA@unx.sas.com> sasafw@dobo.unx.sas.com (Fred Welden) writes:


>In article <92310.095916KVJLC@ASUACAD.BITNET>, Jon L. Campbell <KVJLC@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>|A story of love is only
>|a series of sporadic events in which multiple random events are brought
>|together by chance.  Dick meets Jane at the park, they fall in love and
>|through a series of events marry each other.  Their chance encounter
>|in the park is not a moral passage in time, but characteristic of the
>|chaos that occasionally brings unlike events together.

>There's a theme.

>|I can't imagine why anyone would try to
>|influence the reader with their idea of what is moral and what isn't.
>|
>|What do you think? 

>I'm not convinced that "theme" and "moral" are the same thing, nor that
>"moral" in the sense of the moral of a story has very much to do with
>the tenets of a moral viewpoint, but grant for the moment that Garner
>means them to be closely related:

>If you're not going to try to influence the reader, why concern yourself
>with the reader in any way?  Just keep a journal of all these random,
>chaotic events around you for your own perusal.  As soon as you ask
>someone to read what you've written, you are trying to influence them.

>If you're trying to influence them, why should you avoid trying to
>influence their moral judgment?  If there is no such thing as morality,
>as you suggest, then this will have no more significant impact than
>trying to influence their esthetic judgment by making them realize that
>the story in hand is well-worded.  If there is such a thing as morality,
>is there a more benign way to attempt to educate people in yours than by
>writing stories about it?

>You might note, by the way, that "Crime pays" is every bit as much a
>moral, and a tenet of a moral viewpoint, as "Crime doesn't pay." Sounds
>

Maybe "theme" isn't as clarifying as premise.  I don't think one has to 
impute any particularly morality to a story, but it should, IMHO, follow a 
premise.  E.g. old Jewish proverb:  "If a man lies down with dogs, he gets 
fleas."  Think of all the possibilities for multi-genre stories that might 
use this premise, and no hint of imparting a morality by the author.

Of course, since I write romance, I'm usually dealing with the more 
simplistic "True love conquers all" premise.

Any help?
Suzanne
-----
suzanne@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
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From: nadeau@bcarh1ab.bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Theme ~ Moral
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:44:01 GMT

In article <92314.140929KVJLC@ASUACAD.BITNET> Jon L. Campbell <KVJLC@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>
>   Several people responded to my posting and challenged what my choatic
>theory or morality and theme.  I may be wrong about this, but I don't see
>a difference between morality and theme.  A story with a theme is one that
>tries to leave an underlining message ~ subliminal message for the reader
>to grasp and apply (e.g. love conquers all, etc.).  Morality in fiction is
>not really any different.  Take the morality of 'love conquers all' and
>apply it a story.  What you end up with is a theme with which the story
>is based.  Morality is an artistic work that teaches a moral lesson according
>to Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary.  If this is true then what is
>the difference between theme and morality, nothing.  Plain and simple when
>someone attempts to subvert a story with their own ideas of morality, then
>they are playing god with the mind of the reader.  Because morality in the
>story is so subtle, it is subliminal and therefore, dangerous.  A means of
>invoking thoughts and prejudices, love and hate, right and wrong, but who
>among any writer has that responsibility.
>   A story is just that.  Nothing more than one persons idea of reality or
>un-reality (i.e. lack of reality).  High school english or college writing,
>it doesn't matter, but wherever theme is taught it is an abuse of mankinds
>free choice.  The freedom to choose what is moral or not, the freedom to
>decide for themselves what is morality and what is immoral.  To write a
>moralistic theme into a story is equlivent to artistic incest.  Think
>about it.

Consider this:

The theme of your posts on theme is that reality is chaotic.

The moral of your posts is that writers shouldn't put morals in their
writing.  This moral is, of course, according to *your* "idea of reality
or un-reality" - you are telling us we should conform to *your* idea,
and not impose *our* ideas on *our* readers.  So leave *us* the freedom
to choose what is moral and what isn't in our writings, just as you do
in yours.

(I find your post most ironic - moralizing on the evil of morals!)

Theme is not moral.  I can think of books with the same theme (say war -
Man Against Man, eh?)  with opposite morals - some books glorify war,
some oppose it uncategorically.

The theme is simply which aspect of life a writer chooses to deal
with; the moral suggests how to deal with this aspect.

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
From: ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Re: Stephen Donaldson
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:08:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov10.220823.29348
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

On the subject of getting replies from authors:

I recall reading that Piers Anthony has an unusual policy regarding
the letters he receives from his readers--he believes in answering them
ALL personally. For most, I believe he sends a quick note printed on
a postcard. His philosophy was that it didn't make him less productive 
or slow down his working time all that much--in fact, it might even
have helped him stay on track with regards to his writing schedule.

Elizabeth (ehudon@reed.edu)
From: crutiras@bu.edu (Chokdee Robert)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Critique wanted, also - POEM
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:40:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.101643
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Please let me know what your thoughts are of this poem.  I wish to submit
for possible entry into a high-level poetry course at Boston U, where I study.
Please spare no feelings for it was Hegel that said:

"thesis + antithesis = synthesis"

So I need all those willing to respond to either e-mail me or leave a
response within the posting.  This is important to my future.  Thank you to all
those who respond.

Happy Thanksgiving.  I will begin it on the next page so that you don't have
to scroll over and possibly lose the image.


the one i love

i stand alone and splendidly i give the world my soul.
in the many colors of the fall, there lies the lucidity of white, the
unadorned innocence of the sunset, the garishness of evil with its many 
faces, and the blood of my frozen heart which lay hidden away among the
trees.

streaking through the sky into the arms of whatever god sleeps beyond the
emptiness of life is where my soul journeys.

i sit here in the mirror of creation, an unaccompanied soul in search of the
messiah.  there must be solidarity within the naked world of mirthful wishes
and musings.  and at the zenith of heaven, there must be valor--for if
valor sleeps undisturbed, my lonely soul will undoubtedly join the darkness
that prevails just beyond the sunset.

				- C. Robert Rutirasiri
From: your-email-addr@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (JESSE M. GOLDMAN)
Newsgroups: misc.writing
Subject: Wanted: Script writing program
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:30:23 GMT
Followup-To: misc.writing
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Presently I am interested in finding a script/screenplay writing program
for the PC.  Does anyone know of any?   Thank You

                           Jesse
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From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: Today's Quote...
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: ?
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:35:14 GMT


  "It's not what will happen to us if we do protest, it's what
   will happen to them if we don't"  -- Martin Luther King Jr., 1968

[Thanks to  Peter Shell <pshell@WIENER.PRODIGY.CS.CMU.EDU>]


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From: dciem!r-node.gts.org!ndallen (Nigel Allen)
Subject: Fear of Insurance Loss Haunts Disability Families
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: Echo Beach, Toronto
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:03:08 GMT

Here is a press release from the Epilepsy Foundation

 Fear of Insurance Loss Haunts Disability Families
 To: National Desk, Medical and Health Care writers
 Contact: Peter Van Haverbeke or Miriam Dowtin, 301-459-3700,
          both of the Epilepsy Foundation

   LANDOVER, Md., Nov. 12  -- The biggest fear of parents of 
children with epilepsy used to be that the child would have a 
seizure and be injured.
   That's still a worry, but an even bigger one is taking its place
-- the fear that the family will lose health insurance coverage
because of the child's condition.
   Toll-free calls to the Epilepsy Foundation of America, now running
at the rate of some 30,000 per year, reflect that concern.
   "People call us about many things, but we're seeing a big increase
in calls about health insurance -- where to get it, how to keep it,
and what they can do if they lose it," said Cheryl Lawson, chair of
the Epilepsy Foundation's Public Information and Education Committee.
Lawson's fight for the rights of her own daughter with epilepsy has
made her an expert in spotting insurance pitfalls.  "Unfortunately,"
she adds, "there are no easy answers."
   Epilepsy, like other chronic medical problems, is classed as a
"pre-existing condition" by insurance companies.  And more and more
insurers, even in group coverage, are excluding individuals and
families in which a member has a pre-existing condition.
   "It's not just that the affected person can't get coverage for
epilepsy," Lawson explained.  "That would be bad enough.  But what's
often happening is that no coverage at all is available for that
person, and in the worst cases, the whole family has to go without
coverage because of one member.  In today's world, when an
appendicitis or an accident or even a bad attack of the flu can cost
from one to several thousand dollars, lack of insurance is truly
frightening."
   Epilepsy is a disorder of the brain in which normal electrical
activity becomes temporarily disrupted, producing seizures of various
kinds.  About 2.5 million Americans have the disorder.
   While the majority of people with epilepsy do well with treatment
and can live normally, about 20 percent have frequent seizures and
associated disabilities that require special services and assistance.
 -30-

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From: Greenpeace via Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive,alt.activism,talk.environment
Subject: NEWS: Protests at Japanese Embassy -- Plutonium Shipments Condemned
Followup-To: talk.environment
Date: 12 Nov 1992 17:23:52 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
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[Greenpeace Press Release from Environet -- Redistribute Freely]

GREENPEACE CONDEMNS JAPANESE PLUTONIUM SHIPMENTS; 
PROTESTS AT JAPANESE EMBASSY 
 
WASHINGTON DC, NOVEMBER 10 (GP) Greenpeace today demonstrated
at the Japanese embassy in Washington, DC to protest the
controversial shipment of 1.7 tons of plutonium from France to
Japan.  Despite international objections and Greenpeace direct
actions, the Japanese transport vessel Akatsuki Maru was loaded
Saturday at the French port of Cherbourg and is presently on its
way to Japan.  The demonstration takes place two days after a
Japanese coast guard vessel, Shikishima, rammed the Greenpeace
ship SOLO in international waters off the French coast.
 
"This shipment could be just the beginning of the worldwide
trade in weapons capable plutonium," said Greenpeace campaigner
Chris Zimmer.  "Greenpeace will follow this shipment on its
17,000 mile voyage to Japan to notify countries along the still
secret route.  Plutonium shipments represent an unacceptable
danger to the environment and to human health."
 
The plutonium was extracted from Japanese spent nuclear fuel at
the French reprocessing plant at La Hague and will be used to
fuel Japanese nuclear reactors.  This shipment is seen as a
trial run for future shipments from France and the UK to Japan.
Although more than 100 countries and territories are in danger,
Japan and France have refused to disclose details about the
transport route and emergency preparations in case of accident.
 
"Japan and France are attempting to ship this deadly cargo
under a veil of secrecy even though many countries have
expressed concern about accidents in or near their waters,"
said Greenpeace representative Bruce Hall.  "If the Japanese
are willing to ram a peaceful protest boat on the high seas
to protect the secrecy of the shipment, than the world has
much to fear."
 
Hall presented a letter addressed to Ambassador Takakazu
Kuriyama which outlined international opposition to use and
transport of plutonium.  "There is just no room in this world of
ours for an energy policy built upon the use of the deadly fuel
of atomic weapons," the letter reads.  "We urge you to ask your
government to reject the dangerous and expensive plutonium
path."
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: Today's Quote...
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: daemon@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: ?
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 09:35:15 GMT


"Jet Airplane;
 Wrist Watch;
 Ball-point Pen;
 Radical/Leftist Idea"

	--HB

I later found something related in Donnelly/Colt's catalogue:

All truth passes through three stages.
First it is ridiculed.
Second it is violently opposed.
Third it is accepted as being self-evident.
        --Schopenhauer.

(added in re-proofing: the point is, they don't call them "ball-point
pens" any more, just "pens" etc --Harel)

[Sticker from Donnelly/Colt catalogue Box 188, Hampton, CT 06247]


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From: Nigel Allen <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Subject: NRDC Praises EPA's New Auto Emissions Tests; Criticizes Delay
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Organization: ?
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:24:17 GMT

Here is a press release from the Natural Resources Defense Council.

 NRDC Praises EPA's New Auto Emissions Tests; Criticizes
Implementation Delay
 To: National Desk, Environment Writer
 Contact: David Driesen or Sarah Silver of the Natural Resources
          Defense Council, 202-783-7800

   WASHINGTON, Nov. 5 -- The Natural Resources Defense Council 
(NRDC) praised EPA's new standards for testing and
repair of automobile emissions controls issued today as a result of
an NRDC lawsuit demanding timely action on this important clean air
program.
   "The government got under the hood and fixed it.  Tens of millions
of people will breathe cleaner air when this new emission testing
program takes effect," said NRDC attorney David Driesen.
   The new program requires improved testing equipment and separates
testing of cars' emissions from repair.  NRDC hailed EPA's decision
to separate vehicle testing from the repair business.
   "Fifteen years of experience has shown that combined test and
repair just does not work.  Under the old program, mechanics had an
incentive to fail cars that should pass.  And, a mechanic had an
incentive to pass a car once he worked on it, even if the problem was
not fixed," Driesen said.  "Under the new program, test-only centers
will secure large smog reductions at the lowest cost to car owners."
   NRDC did criticize provisions in the rule which allows states to
delay implementation of the testing program for years.  "Delaying
full implementation means that people in the nation's urban areas
must wait years before they breathe clean air," Driesen said.  "We
urge states to take prompt action to get the new testing centers up
and running."
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Subject: NEWS:Puerto Rico Elections/ED-LP
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Resent-From: "Rich Winkel" <MATHRICH@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:34:03 GMT


Via The NY Transfer News Service * All the News that Doesn't Fit

PUERTO RICO: PNP WINS ELECTION

from El Diario La Prensa

edlp 11/6

Puerto Rico

PNP WINS ELECTIONS IN PUERTO RICO

In addition to having won the governorship, the New
Progressive Party (PNP) will control the House of Representatives
and the Senate in Puerto Rico following the November 3 elections.
The PNP defeated the Popular Democratic Party (PPD) will send
only 14 representatives and six senators to Puerto Rico's
legislature.  The Puerto Rican Independence Party (PIP) will have
one representative in each chamber.  (byline Claudio Alvarex
Dunn)

translated by Toby Mailman, NY Transfer News


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