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From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: WORST EPISODE
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:05:08 GMT

In article <rawdon.727587769@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>
>"Qpid", on the other hand, really seems to work (and work *hard*) at making me
>want do go do ANYTHING other than watch the episode.  In a perverse way, it's
>impressive:  It takes a certain talent to really be so aggressively
>unlikeable.  The only fun moment was Worf's "merry man" line.


Well, whaddya know.  Michael and I finally agree on an entry for the
"Worst Ten" list!  (We've never agreed about "The Royale." :-) "Qpid"
is an episode that I'll always stay away from.  I don't even like the
"merry man" line, partly because I saw Michael Dorn at a Denver Con
say how much *he* hated that episode and having to say that line (too
funny for Worf, I guess).  The thing I hate about "Qpid" the most is
that it has Vash in it.  I can't handle "Captain's Holiday" for the
same reason, although it is a better story.  That woman really gets
under my skin; I can't tolerate her face on my tube.

--
Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
From: davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Same for DS9 intro (was Re: TNG music trax suck)
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:07:43 GMT
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I really like the new Deep Space Nine, but the opening music sequence is not
up to the standards of Star Trek.  I think that what it lacks is the voice
over that has come to be so recognizable with Star Trek ("Space -- the final
frontier").  The voice over always seemed to set the direction of show and to
lay out Gene Roddenberry's vision of the future.  Does anyone else feel the
same?  In that regard, I offer the following as a possible voice over for
Commander Sisko at the beginning of each Deep Space Nine show:

Space -- the final frontier,
but even in the final frontier,
there are ... frontiers.

These are the stories of
the crew of Deep Space Nine.
The shining sentinel between
a world almost lost to despair
and a galaxy full of possibilities.

Its mission -- to find a balance
between the realities of the past
and the greatness that is yet to be...

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From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Re: SEASON SEVEN CONFIRMED
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:19:02 GMT

In article <108335@bu.edu> kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.172226.8776@samba.oit.unc.edu> Roger.Breece@launchpad.unc.edu (Roger Breece) writes:
>>
>>After seven seasons on the little tube would not most
>>agree that the writers have explored everything that
>>can be explored within the constraints of TV before
>>quality suffers badly? Just MHO.
>
>I would say 5 seasons, some would be less generous.  Anyway I would
>like to see `Broken Mirror' as the first TNG feature film.  The
>producers say that they can't do that one on TV.
>
	Ok, I'll bite.  What is 'Broken Mirror', and why can't it be done on
TV, especially since they've done rape, eugenics, euthenaisa (sp), 
homosexuality (almost), and torture?

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From: mlperkin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mildred l perkins)
Subject: Re: Kill Troi fan club
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:26:27 GMT

I vote we start a "Kill Kira Fanclub".  :)
From: rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Do the Star Trek People See this stuff?
Distribution: world
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Date: 20 Jan 93 20:31:38 EST
Organization: The Other Side of Life

In article <1993Jan19.080022.22049@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes:

[lots of fanboy don't-you-even-think-about-saying-anything-negative-about-
 star-trek-or-else-i'll-have-a-mad-on-at-you drivel deleted]

Why can't you just give it a rest?  You are just as bad, if not worse
in your own way than the people you gripe endlessly about.  People
like Rawdon and Atushi were/are hardly mindless flamers, like your
ilk like to argue.  Rather, they are people who care about what they're
watching and (rightfully) get annoyed when it's not as good as it could
have been.

The people who do Trek the biggest disservice are the twits like you
who can't handle a single non-positive thing being said about the show.


-- 
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From: dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl)
Subject: Grammar (was: Re: TNG Companion)
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:20:52 GMT

In article <4812@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>In article <mcook.727407595@fendahl.dev.cdx.mot.com> mcook@fendahl.dev.cdx.mot.com (Michael Cook) writes:
><>Like Tim and I, Nemecek started out doing fan produced guides.  But, unlike
><>Tim and I, he got the book deal :-) :-(
><
><Perhaps because Nemecek knows when to say "Tim and I" and when to say "Tim and
><me"?  :-)
>
>You must be a Quayle lover, since the correct term is indeed "Tim and I"  Me
>is not supposed to be used in that context.

Gee, that's odd. I was always taught to take out the other subject (here,
elimante the "Tim and") and then see which one works better (me or I). So, in
this instance, that would indicate it is "me", as in "Like me, Nemecek..."
instead of "Like I, Nemecek..." So, the sentence should be "Like Tim and me,
Nemecek started out..."

Have I been told wrong all these years?
-- 
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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Subject: Re: Q
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:13:59 GMT

> Daniel J. Mendez writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1993Jan21.210734.8818@ctp.com>
> Posted: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:07:3
>
> Org.  : Cambridge Technology Partners
>
> I just saw a repeat of the TNG show in which Q is after the girl who
> turns out to be also Q, and I am utterly disgusted. Is it only me, or do
> other people feel that the presence of Q detracts from the show overall?
>
> I mean, this is series in which "science" plays a very important role and
> an omnipotent being with a purported sense of humor creates just too many
> inconsistencies: Why would he even bother to appear at an officers' meeting
> and tell them about his plan? Why would he ask their permission to meet
> with her at all?
>
> It just doesn't make sense, and if it was (as some people doubtlessly
> think) an
> example of his "dark sense of humor", maybe they should move Q over to
> "The Simpsons".


I also had problems with that episode.  At several points the crew discussed
how to handle the situation as if they were "out of earshot", especially the
research about how the Q killed off some former members of the Q with a
tornado.  This was information that Q didn't give them, and obviously didn't
want them to know.

If Q is truly an omnipotent being there would be no secrets from him and he
should be able to easily conceal anything from the Enterprise crew, including
the "tornado" information.

Of course, that would kill the plot, but still...


--
Jeremy_Reimer@ |"It turned out, as N-Man discovered later, that the black
mindlink.bc.ca | boat hadn't been after him at all.  It was full of riotous,
---------------| unemployed former James Bond villains enraged at the fall
aka THE JAGUAR!| of Communism in the Soviet Union."
---------------|
Stealth Sig#69 |  --From "N-Man #3: N-Man on Holiday"
From: jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Same for DS9 intro (was Re: TNG music trax suck)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 13:48:04 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <DAVIDM.93Jan24160743@consilium.com> davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson) writes:
>I really like the new Deep Space Nine, but the opening music sequence is not
>up to the standards of Star Trek.  I think that what it lacks is the voice
>over that has come to be so recognizable with Star Trek ("Space -- the final
>frontier").  The voice over always seemed to set the direction of show and to
>lay out Gene Roddenberry's vision of the future.  Does anyone else feel the
>same?

	Why?  I mean, TNG's voiceover is a fraud.  There's no "boldly going
where no one has gone before", and it just ties the show to TOS.  The lack
of a voiceover for DS9 can be looked at as the show asserting its independence
from past Trek.
From: ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: How to spell "Bajorn"
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:18:23 GMT
Organization: HNSX SuperComputers, Mtl, PQ

In article <1993Jan21.045647.13889@wicat.com> gsarff@wicat.com (Gary Sarff) writes:
>scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
>
>>On 19 Jan 93 00:34:41 GMT, dgeller@busboys.rutgers.edu (dgeller) wrote:
>
>>DG>I think the big misunderstanding is that people think Bajorn refers to
>>DG>the planet.  That is not true.  The *PLANET* is Bajor.  The *PEOPLE*
>>DG>are Bajorn (not Bajorans).
>
>>Excuse me?  I may be spectacularly mistaken, but I'd swear under oath that
>>I've been hearing "Bajorans" all this time.  (My test line, the one which
>
>I just reviewed ;my tape of past prologue and it says 'bajoran', says it on
>the credits too at the end, it says 'Bajoran Deputy' and some actors
>name.

Oops, in my excitement I goofed. Sorry.
-- 
Ellison Chan, Comp. Sys. Analyst   
HNSX Supercomputers Inc., NEC Corp.
E-mail: ellison@SX.Mont.NEC.COM
From: fernie@cs.arizona.edu (Robert W Fernie)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: kirk/english space seed: politics!
Date: 28 Jan 93 19:24:59 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

The Federation officers do not speak English. They speak "Federation"
which is a combination of Earth languages. They speak in English on 
the show for the audience's convenience.

Consult the old Tech Manual for more details.

Rob Fernie
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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: No room at the bar !
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 01:12:46 GMT

Yeah. They would have more than one place to eat. On the big E,
people can eat just about anywhere. On the holodeck, you can
eat. You can eat in your quarters. I'd say that you could even
probably eat on the bridge if you really needed to. 

AH. The joys of replecators!
---
Lee Smallwood	msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu	Tazewell HS

		KEEPER OF THE TIDE
                (Tazewell and Va-Pen chapters)
From: cw@carson.u.washington.edu (Cheryl Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sulu Re: English as Earth's standard language in the 24th Cent.?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 00:15:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <1993Jan24.192834.6176@netcom.com> timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:
>hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg) writes:
>|- Chekov is obviously a Russian native and Sulu a Japanese.
>
>Hmmm, wasn't Sulu supposed to have met a 20th century ancestor in
>San Francisco in ST4, but that scene got edited out?
>
>That would mean that he's supposed to be American.
>
>-- 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Timothy J. Lee                                        timlee@netcom.com
>No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.

Plus, there is no "l" in the Japanese syllabry:  "Suru"  would be
as close as you could get.  He couldn't be an "obvious" Japanese native.
--Cheryl Walker
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sisko's line delivery
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:51:15 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

For what's its worth, I happen to adore Sisko.

For that matter, I ahve been very pleased with DS9 thus far.
I even (gasp!) like it better than TNG at the moment.  

As long as people are starting (inevitable) threads on Kira (no, I'm
not going to read them just yet.  I ahve too much to catch up on.  I 
haven't read this group in weeks, and it simply has too much traffic for 
me to catch up with) what about that lovely little Doctor?

I think he's dishy.  I also think he is terribly cute wilst going after
Dax.  Not annoying, just persistant. :)

LJC
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
From: rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: MOST OVERRATED EPISODE?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:01:05 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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Keywords: most

 
 	As long as we're on the topic of Best/Worst Episodes
(again...), I'll try to introduce something original....That is, "Most
Overrated Episode".  What do you think? 
 
	My pick definately goes to "I, Borg".  I like most TNG trek,
but the attention this one got seems totally unwarranted.  There was
nothing hinted at during the episode that Picard was in any way still
under the Borg influence, so when the "climax" of the episode came (I
am Locutus...), his questioning seemed flat.    The REAL problem is
NOT in the fact that they made a mildly enjoyable, reasonably mediocre
episode of Trek.  The PROBLEM is that  they took the most menacing
and relentless enemy ever faced by the federation, gave it Big Eyes, a
pleasing face and a stuffed animal voice, and turned the menacing borg
into something CUTE....feh.   An inexcusable waste of a perfectly good
enemy. Die Hugh, die.
 
	To give you a sense of Trek that I do like, my favorites are
The Inner Light (I've seen this at least 12 times now, and I never
tire of it....), Darmok, BOBW, the entire Worf "arc", Measure of a
Man,  Picard's Happy Adventure with Mr. Cardassian/Chancellor Gorkin
(side job, you see...).....
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James "Stimpy" Bender)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 27 Jan 93 07:38:07 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services

In article <C1I02C.7A8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>Data's laughing at the end of True Q (I think.  Trying to remember Q
>episode titles are almost as bad as trying to remember Remmington Steele
>ones!!!) still kills me.

	I think the best was in the episode where several different people were
bidding for rights to a worm hole. The Ferenghis show up, and...

Frenghi: "Where are our chairs."

Picard: "Er, I'm Captian Picard-"

F: "Are you the one who brings the chairs?"

P: "No."

F: "Well, whos in charge of getting chairs?"

	Keep in mind, I'm paraphrasing.


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From: dormrec@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Halter )
Subject: Re: Kira and her scale on the babe-o-meter
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 07:26:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.111327.13929@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes:
>In article <C1ADGt.6Au@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> sager@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian) writes:
>>	Dude, if you think any of them are that high, you've got a
>>serious mental problem.  The best of them would be about a 8.0, and
>>that's Dax  (without that shit on her face)
>>
>>						Love,
>>							Dorm-Rec
>>
> And as for this...comment.........
>
>MR. WORF!!  LOCK ON PHOTONS, DAMN IT!!!  **FIRE**!!!!!!!!!
>
>Just when you think you've drummed them out, here they are again, like
>weeds that keep growing once you've uprooted them.  In the words of
>some clown, "Thank you for playing.  Please try again."  The game's
>not over yet.  >:->
>
>Kevin "I have an urge to say 'You can't get away!'" D.
>
	Brilliant observation, Kevin D.!!!!  We are back (actually we never
left, we just don't speak unless something has to be said, like when we 
have to defend ourselves against mighty crusaders such as yourself).  
We are responding on the net because we wish to tell everyone that if
y'all wish to flame us, please confine it to e-mail and we will do the
same.  Also, it would be nice if we could say something on the net
once without being flamed solely because we have shamed all those
who are jealous of our superior intellect and wit.  If you don't like
our comments, don't read them, and if you read them anyway, you don't
have to tell the rest of the civilized world that you don't like
them.  Flame away, but you have been warned.
				
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From: tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson)
Subject: Promo for next DS9--humorous sight
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:52:47 GMT

Did anyone else notice, in the promo for the next episode of DS9 (after
"Babel") the following:

There's an explosion, and Sisko, then Kira and Odo, fall to the ground.
If you do a frame-by-frame of Odo and Kira falling, you'll note that
Auberjonois puts his arms under Nana Visitor's armpits as they fall.
No problem there, but as they get closer to the ground Auberjonois is
quite clearly grabbing a large handful of Visitor's...uh...left breast.
I just thought it was kinda funny, anyway--I _knew_ there was some
advantage to being an actor...  ;-)

Thor Iverson
From: jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: STTNG Best Episode Survey
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:56:58 GMT
Organization: Ohio University CS Dept,. Athens

OK, everyone the final tally is in for my STTNG Best episode survey...
I don't have the results in front of me but I will try to have the 
thing posted tonight.... 

Also, I have seen a lot of messages about the worst episode ... I am
considering another survey of the worst episodes I will let you know later
(when I post best results)

See ya later,

J. MIchael Clark
Ohio University
From: 910252m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Dwayne MacKinnon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TNG's Funniest Moments....
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:16:54 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

Well,
     How about "Q-Pid"? The all time classic by Worf - 
"Sir, I must protest. I am *NOT* a *merry* man."


DMK

--
"Reality is a very strange place."

Dwayne Mac Kinnon,
910252m@dragon.acadiau.ca, Acadia University, N.S., Canada.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:38:08 EST
From: Peter Chewning <PCHEWNI@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A very unconfirmed rumor...so be warned
Distribution: usa
 <1jtd3aINNn9h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <16B60121B3.ALI00BAW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU>
 <1993Jan25.220252.4538@cs.uoregon.edu>

 I do not think your information is correct. According to TV GUIDE last week,
 ST: DSN won enough of the top markets. It even beat CHEERS in New York.
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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: The men of Star Trek
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:01:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.014344.1365@admiral.uucp> dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
>In article <rrheaume.119@emr1.emr.ca> rrheaume@emr1.emr.ca (Roberta Rheaume (CPB)) writes:
>>Riker, on the other hand, is supposed to be "number 
>>one" but he has been accused of rape, and I believe that there was something 
>>to that.
>
>When?
>

As I remember he was charged with attempted rape and murder in 
"A Matter of Perspective" but was cleared of all charges.
Can't think of any other times.

Marc
mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu


-- 
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		     D  O  C  T  O  R     W  H  O
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From: U53734@uicvm.uic.edu (Wesley Bielinski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:09:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.93026.130951U53734
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

I enjoyed the moment when Riker and Troi enter Barclay's holodeck
program and found Troi as the Goddess of Love (or something like that).
Great Scene :-)

Wesley J. Bielinski                      | "I'm never wrong. I thought
U53734@uicvm.uic.edu                     |    I was wrong once, but
Support the 2nd Amdendment, Support RKBA |      I was mistaken!"
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:07:13 EST
From: Thomas Herbert <TWH101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re:TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS

for some strange reason, I thought the scene in Pen Pals where Data tells
the captain about his communication with the little girl and Picard's
response is......
               " ooops"
was funny (Ok,maybe I'm goofy)

Also the episode where Picard is recovering from illness (Angel One maybe??)
and can't give the order "engage" at the end of the episode,was pretty good
too. I think Riker ends up smiling, and then saying "engage" for him.

-tommy