From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:57:48 GMT

sgs@grebyn.com (Stephen G. Smith) writes:
: 
: >Sorry, this is a UL. There are no cases of a "vegetable" being created
: >by a massive lsd dose. Either your brother was pulling your leg, or someone
: >was pulling your brother's. 
: 
: I figured as much.  Good story though ....
: 
: >In the first place, there are very few dealers that could afford to buy
: >hundreds of milligrams of lsd - much less, to waste them on some trouble  
: >maker.
: 
: The dealer was alleged to supply the whole west coast.  In any case,
: this dates from the time when lysergic acid was freely available in
: large quantites -- LSD is *very* easy to make from lysergic acid.

Nope. There never were any such large suppliers. 

Also, LSD is NOT easy to synthesize - even starting with Lyseric Acid
Amide.

: >: UL?  My brother got a handgun and a concealed-carry permit in record
: >: time, along with police instruction in firearms use and the use of the
: >: police range.
: 
: >Hm. Must have been an informer - an important one at that. I can think
: >of no other class of citizen who would warrant such generous treatment.
: 
: *Suspected* informer -- that was the trouble.  It's not a UL that cops
: are scared sh*tless of drugs.  I'm just pointing out that *somebody* (in
: this case, at least one judge and a bunch of cops) believed it enough to
: take some rather unusual actions.

I still don't believe it. Unless he was important to the police, like a
high level politician or a good informer, they would not go to such extremes.

: >: I don't think there is any clinical data on such huge doses.  As other
: >: posters have mentioned, LSD is not physiologically harmful.  "Street"
: >: acid is, however, usually mixed with strychnine.
: 
: >Bullshit. Try reading the FAQ.
: 
: Presumably, you are refering to the strychnine.  The AFU FAQ doesn't
: mention it; I've never seen an AD FAQ.  That seems to have stirred up a
: bit of trouble.

I thought it was in the FAQ. It should be - Terry? The information is in
the alt.drugs FAQ.

: Anyway, back before the War on Drugs became the Moral Equivalent of
: Communism, LSD was common on college campuses.  Several groups analyzed
: street drugs and published the results in an assortment of
: "underground" newspapers.  Very useful to find out what you *really*
: bought ....  *Every* analysis of "street" LSD that I saw contained
: strychnine.  Supposedly it was added to "intensify the high".
: Quantities were *way* below the poisonous level.  You probably wouldn't
: want to take 5000 hits at once, though.

What analyses were these? I think you have it backward - it should be
"No analysis of street LSD showed strychnine to be present". Go ask
on alt.drugs for someone to post the relevant citations - I am sure
that someone will have them handy.

You will have to produce some cites - before I will believe this to be
anything except bull. The people who synthesize LSD are not ignorant
of organic chemistry. They would be aware that any amount of strychnine
that they could add to a blotter would have absolutely no effect on a
person.

: Official analyses that I've seen just check for illegal ingrediants.  I
: haven't seen independant analyses of street drugs in a good long time.

Nope - they don't do them any more. The government doesn't want people
to be able to know what they are consuming.

: Don't know if I'd trust them, the way the WOD crowd works ("You have
: illegal drugs.  We could sieze your whole building and everything in
: it.  Here's what you're going to say ....").

Agreed.

Bill
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