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From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:33:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <BvrMJL.CMw@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin) writes:
>In article <BvrLAC.AwC@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>>
>>>ROC GNP:10000 U$      P'ROC GNP 400 U$
>>>Foreign exchange reserve:
>>>ROC: 90 B U$	 P'ROC: 40 B U$
>>>
>  Should it be GNP per capita ??
>  China's GNP is many times higher than that of Taiwans (based on
>>>
I hope so, and it should be so many forty years ago. 
Taiwan has limited resources, if not because of some intelligent "KMT HARDLINERS",
(Taiwan was not better than Phillipine in 50-60s,GNP 200), Taiwan would have been
a stink rock (poor and hard).:-)

Taiwan didn't have sufficient technical people in 40s, so a lot of mainlanders
went to Taiwan to fix up broken/damaged machines/factories in 40s. What now?
You can catch hundreds of college graduates at any street corner of Taipei.
You will be surprised if you have a chance to look the electronic streets in
Taipei. Parts, and people interested of parts look like parts sea, people mountain.

Just counting the industrial foundation of China in 40s, mainland should push much
far ahead of Taiwan. Why mainland fell behind? P's leaders were stupid, didn't
know how to use resources, mis-managed human resources to fight one another,
so the time has come and the time has gone!!! (A famous US slogan)
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Qin Kuai (Re: Oct 1, our National Day)
Date: 9 Oct 92 02:17:00 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1b2nd3INNnhh@zygote.hsc.usc.edu> jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou) writes:
>(deleted)
>way, you should ask Lix to send you one of the articles he posted
>earlier. Be careful, he may ask you for cash donation to SOS Education
>Fund, though.  :-)

That is right. So far Mr. Yeh and Scott Horn owe me one lecture each,
Mr. Steve Lin four. Though, I am suffering some counter-lectures :-(

>Hi Xiaowen:
<
<In article <97525@bu.edu> you write:
<>Lecture #2: (mine, to Steve, deleted)
<
>***'s Lecture Number One:-)
<
<Always give addresses of charitable organizations if you ask for donations.
<Also, make sure it is a registered charitable organization with the IRS.

This is from an American friend, thanks.

>Lix, your Pinyin may get you a counter-lecture :-).

Well, thanks. I'll match the donation of Steve or Tuya, or Yeh, or Horne.

>Hi:
<My name is  ****,and I learned something about the sos fund. Is it the
<same fund as people raies in H.K?
<By the way I read a lot of artical on china.culture. Could you tell me
<more about the fund,I am willing to donate some bucks regarding of if
<china is rich or not. But I belive china would have her own way to
<run for sucessful.

Thanks to this HK friend. How about Steve? James must be careful:-)

It seems that I have to get a signature file. (PS. I forwarded some
private emails without consent, but without bad intention also, please
pardon me).
-- 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:28099 soc.culture.taiwan:14494 soc.culture.hongkong:12697
From: lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Crane wading lake, and Lu Si Zou Tan
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:52:23 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china
Organization: Boston University

Our young poet sings:

           The Model
                             9/18/91

She is a crane, she wades the lake
Her hair's long, and dances, like flowers in a current

She turns, lightning that moment
She turns into a love poem, read by all eyes, aloud
=================================================================

The poem is good. One almost can see a slim beauty is showing on
stage, and our young poet "Kan Sa le".

However, as an old man with experience of wild life, I have to point
out that crane seldom dances in water. When he/she is wading a lake,
he/she is looking for fish to eat, he/she does not want to disturb
fishes before a victim is targeted, so he/she is wading very cautiously.

For this reason, a proverb "Lu Si Zou Tan" is traditionally used to
describe a husband, sneaking out from bed without pants on legs, to
meet a maid, with the fear of awaking his wife. 

Since this proverb is very vivid, it may well destroy the "Yi Jing"
of this poem. This is of course not the faulty of the poem itself,
but a proof that why we need SOS China Education Fund.

-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: go ahead! (Re: Sue Shannon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 15 Oct 92 04:59:57 GMT

lix@xanadu.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) wrote:

+In article <1992Oct15.012157.17713@sunspot.noao.edu> library@sunspot.noao.edu (John Cornett) writes:
+>(deleted)

+(fighting in net):-)  Though, I think Mr. Yeh's apology is necessary.

	what did you say?!  After you said this, I have to put you as one
	of those blood carders, although I thought you were here-some and 
	there-some during the past.
	
+After considering friends' advice, I am thinking to let others to decide
+for me. That is, let's appeal Chinese Government to release some innocent
+political prisoners, then we thank Uncle Sam and go home.

	like those blood carders, we need to put them into jail for their
	life time long, and propably should execute them.  Please note that
	the Chinese people do NOT tolerate MaiGuoZe (HJ) traditionally.

+Old Lix goes home, release Xiao Bin. Shannon Yeh goes home, since Mr. Yeh

	if i go home, i would like to "exchange" for more beautiful
	Chinese women though :-).

+is famous, so release Wang Dan. Xiao-lin Li, a professor, exchanges the

shannon
-------

"Hey, LaoWang, XiaoZhang, DaLi...., how come you are refugees these days?"

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Subject: Re: "6.4" bill, blood card
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 19:58:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.174055.888@unine.ch>, Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch writes:
|>   Now that the Protection Bill signed, I think many CSS in US are happy. No
|> need saying congratulations, there are already too much, I believe.
|>   From my knowledge of this bill, it is said that the goal of the bill is to
|> protect those  CSS who would be in danger if they go back to China, and many
|> CSS  claim  that the bill will not hurt Chinese people, those CSS who get PR
|> will be promoting democracy and helping China abroad, and finally they will be
|> back to their homeland. Fine. All seems good. But ...
|>   Now, in this world, no matter in the "free world" or communist country, you
|> can promise everything, you can do nothing afterwards, and with good excuse :"
|> Even the president or party secterary could lie, there are big liars, why can
|> I NOT?" As to the conscience, a good Chinese saying tells all :"How much 1 jin1
|> conscience costs?" 
|>   Someone said, that the future of China depends on those CSS abroad.In science 
|> ,perhaps, under the condition of their probable future going back. In politics,
|> absolutely NOT. Even if they came back, that means China is in REAL democratic
|> atmosphere, some questions would be asked: where were you and what were you do-
|> ing when Chinese people working hard to build the country and promoting democ-
|> racy in the difficult situations? Seeking protection and lobbying CMFN would
|> NOT be the good answers. 
|>   To the bill benefitors. Perhaps everyone knows that the direct cause of this
|> bill is "6.4". "6.4" means millions of Chinese people's effort and hundreds'
|> blood shed in the ChangAn Avenue in 1989. Remember it or not,it's always there.
|>   No "6.4", No this bill; No blood, No this card.
|>   History, remembers ALL.  
			^^^^

You should say:

No CCP, No "6.4"; No "6.4", No this bill; No blood, No this card.

Otherwise, you can just say

No blood, No this card.

just like the other guys have been saying. Someone just loves to play games.

It is a loss to China for the time being. But it is a gain for China in the
future. Please don't confuse China with CCP/CG.


H.J.
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:41:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: chpc.1992Oct13.164141.769
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC

In article <mvdvalk.718973071@bosporus> mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk) writes:
>Dear netters,
>
>Six million Chinese in Hong Kong and 20+ million Chinese in Taiwan can't be
>wrong. I mean, if 26+ million people can learn traditional characters, why
>can't the people in PRC. I heard that the simplified characters are simpler to
>learn. Does this mean that PRC citizens are actually too stupid to learn the
>traditional characters? I can't believe this!
>
>I think Chinese should be proud of the heritage and not dispose of it so easily
>as other countries. Traditional characters are beautiful, simplified ones are
>REALLY UGLY!
>
>Regards
>--
>Martijn van der Valk                |          e-mail: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl
>Faculty of Computer Science / SPA   |                      phone: +53-893795
>University of Twente, P.O. Box 217  | BROADCAST BRA
>7500 AE Enschede, The Nederlands    | Pegasus; Esprit BRA 6865

No Chinese is wrong on this issue, it is just a matter of custom. What is 
wrong is that you pretend to represent Chinese in Hong Kong and Chinese in
Taiwan. Judging from your name, I doubt you can write any beautiful Chinese
characters. Even you can, why bother to use complicated form to write
Ma3 Ti2 Jin1 * Fen2 * De2 * Wo4 Ke4
There must be someone too stupid to learn new thing and simpler thing.
BTW, Yang1 culture writen in Jia3 Gu3 Wen2 is still Yang1 culture.
From: lwyse@copley.bu.edu (Lonce LaMar Wyse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Experimental Art in Shanghai?
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:30:06 GMT
Organization: Boston University Center for Adaptive Systems



I will be travelling to Shanghai soon and would like to visit some
places in Shanghai that don't make it into most tourist books. 

Is there a place that shows modern art? I would be especially
interested in small "experimental art" galleries.

How about experimental, electronic or computer music? Is there any
chance of hearing such stuff around Shanghai?

I recall hearing that that region of China is famous for puppets. Can
someone tell me where to find them?



						Thanks!!

							- lonce
From: michaels@teal.csn.org (Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for GENG Ke-jian from Harbin, HIT
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:04:25 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.


If you know Geng Ke-jina who is from Harbin Institute of Technology, please 
forward the following message to him. Thanks for the help.
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Xiao Geng,

Do you still remember me -- one of your old friends from HIT in those dizzy
hazy days of the 1980's?

Please give me a call at 303-491-8915 (evenings & weekend) or 303-635-6823 (day
time). We would like to invite you to Colorado, we have many of the best 
skiing resorts on earth here, so come-on and give me a call today.

Ri4 zi3 guo4 de2 hai2 hao3 ma0?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.china
From: xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Subject: Re: Improve your English
Organization: UB
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:20:58 GMT


*   A Chinese saying goes "Bitter medicine is a good cure for your illness".
* We better watch out for our grammar, spelling, puncutation, wording and
			      grammars,spellings,punctuations,wordings
* expression.
  expressions. 
  
* P.S. I checked Webster's twice to write the above sentence. There still could
                                                    sentences. 
* be some error around(not even sure about this sentence. sounds so awkward).
          errors
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: yidao@cae.wisc.edu (Yidao Cai)
Subject: Re: Prison Labor Central Part of the Economy?
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:03:30 CDT

In article <Bw82tB.21z@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>	In an Op-Ed article in today's New York Times, Mr. A. M. Rosenthal
>twice claimed that the "products of the slave labor camps" (commonly
>called prison labor) is the "central part of the Communist economy".
>
>	Just for the record.
>
>	 Eddie
I would suggest the US utilize its prison labor to save its economy, for,
prisoners in China is the central part of its economy, the US prisoners,
which outnumber their Chinese conterparts in percentage, can surely play 
the same role in American economy.  What a pity they did not fully use
them !
From: ftsui@uncc.edu (Fong Tsui)
Subject: try again
Reply-To: ftsui@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:33:41 GMT

Last time, my post does not work well. I just want to try again.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27999 soc.culture.hongkong:12619 soc.culture.taiwan:14436
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:55:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: chpc.1992Oct15.185542.18777
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC

In article <mvdvalk.719166172@bosporus> mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk) writes:
>.......
>When the underlying (albeit historical) structure of a script is destroyed, as
>was the case in the PRC, much of this classification-skills of the people using
>it, are also lost. I think this is a very bad thing.
>
>Third, the reason for the simplification process in the PRC was to lower the
>illiteracy rate. Well, the fact is that in Hong Kong and Taiwan, everybody
>seems to be able to learn the traditional characters and another fact is that
>the illiteracy rate in China is still higher that in the 'other Chinas'. So, is
>this simplification process really needed? I still don't think so.
>
>Fourth, nobody in his/her right mind, would deny saying that the simplified
>characters actually look like a piece of sh*t. 
>

If you really have learned any classification-skills by learning traditional
characters, you must know the traditional Chinese saying:

Ren2 Zhe3 Jian4 Ren1, Zhi4 Zhe3 Jian4 Zhi4.
(A nice mind sees niceness, a wise mind sees wisdom)

A mind of sh*t sees only sh*t.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: j0luo001@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Looking for Bin1 Chen2 & Shu1Xu4 Sun1
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:47:47 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Does anyboby know the addresses of my friend  "Bin1 Chen2" & "Shu1xu4 Sun1"
who came from Beijing Normal Univ. and are the graduate students in Dept. of
Physics at North Carolina State Univ. (Raleigh)?  Any information will be
appreciated!

My address: J0LUO001@ULKYVX.LOUISVILLE.EDU

Jianbin Luo

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:23:46 GMT

In article <mvdvalk.718973071@bosporus> mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk) writes:
>Dear netters,
>
>Six million Chinese in Hong Kong and 20+ million Chinese in Taiwan can't be
>wrong. I mean, if 26+ million people can learn traditional characters, why
>can't the people in PRC. I heard that the simplified characters are simpler to
>learn. Does this mean that PRC citizens are actually too stupid to learn the
>traditional characters? I can't believe this!
>
True, true, true. the 26++ million people are wright, the 1 billion
people are wrong. I can't believe this.

>I think Chinese should be proud of the heritage and not dispose of it so easily
>as other countries. Traditional characters are beautiful, simplified ones are
>REALLY UGLY!

They are REALLY REALLY UGLY.

Tingli Pan
>
>Martijn van der Valk                |          e-mail: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl
From: poppy@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "6.4/Democratic bill blood/Free card
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:08:14 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Free Card is a good name,  you are free in U. S. (you don't have to go 
INS for your visa) when you have the Free Card.

Nothing wrong for those who get Free Card (I believe some of them never want
to get Green Card by this Protection Bill in the first place).  But some 
people belive that they can be strong to fight for a Democratic China only if 
they have the free card by Protection Bill. This sounds strange to me.

BTW, I got a Free Card long time a ago.   Free Card means I am free here.  
That's all.
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:05:25 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <BvtpnI.Cnn@cs.psu.edu> jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>>
FYI: the silicon valley in Chinese is Si Gu. It has been that name for
decades. Recently, more mainlanders come in Si Gu and they have surprised
the people: they rename   "Si Gu"   as   "Gui Gu".
I checked my dictionary, there is no Gui in Chinese. Ha, CR made it!
Some day I wonder that my grandson may not be able to bring me home, if my son
marries a mainlander (she would call it Gui Gu while we live in Si Gu).:-)

>>As I know of, the Beijing opera performs in Taiwan that word is still
>>pronounced to be Kuai. I just had very good Mandarin teachers, husband and
>>wife both from Bei Shi Da. There is no way to read it as Hui.
>
>I didn't say Kuai was wrong but I did heard Hui in Beijing operas and 

My point was that CCP education has gone with wild rule in teaching Chinese
to read side or middle character as the whole word, that is wrong.
There is a Redwood city in California, the RED WOOD is pronounced to be
Kuai, the same word as Qin Kuai. Thound years old red wood is Chien Nian
Gu Kuai, not Hui.

>The fact is that the pronounciation
>of many Chinese charactor had changed. If you really proved any one of 
>the three is absolutely wrong or right, let me know so I will not argue
>for something wrong later. Thank you in advance.

FYI, there is a place in the Front Gate of Beijing used to be named as
Da Za Lan, now people called it Da San Lan. There is a town in Taipei
called Mu Za, it shouldn't never be called Mu San.

>BTW: I did not recognize "Quei" when you wrote "Wu San Quei" in your previous 
>post. Could you kindly tell me what is your original meaning?
>
Wu San Quei (Qui) was the person who opened Beijing City Gate to let Qing
army enter into Beijing. His character was same as Qin Kuai who betrayed
his country.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: michaels@teal.csn.org (Michael Smith)
Subject: Re: 9201 Suctioner in Job Group (Re: 9201 people will be more active)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:38:54 GMT

In article <BvzouJ.MFM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>In article <98323@bu.edu> lix@bashful.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>>yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>>>(deleted)
>>
>>Well, I respect your freedom of speech and your courage to speak. However, 
>>please no one step more than that. If you have done something which may hurt 
>>a lot of people without discrimination, I suggest you apology in both news 
>>groups. It is quite different to say something on SCC-land or to accuse 
>>people without evidence in a job-related newsgroup.
>
>Lix, you are too old to remember to attach Shannon Yeh's posting in
>misc.jobs.resumes and it did take sometime to find out the article
>he posted there :-)  Concerned SCCers please see enclosed.
>
>>I hate to do this, but I hope no one might be hurt. This is a friendly advice.
>
>Guess you are qualified to say to Shannon Yeh "this is a fatherly advice"
>as you did once on china-nt :-)
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Bo Xiong in Chicago
>
>Enclosure:  Shannon Yeh's posting in misc.jobs.resumes
>
>--------------------- Forwarding of Shannon Yeh's Message ------------------
>Newsgroups: misc.jobs.resumes
>From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
>Subject: An open letter to the US employers
>Nntp-Posting-Host: netix.com
>Message-ID: <2AD62DFB.13800@news.service.uci.edu>
>Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
>Lines: 18
>Date: 10 Oct 92 01:12:27 GMT
>
>
>Dear Employers in the US:
>
>Some thousands of Chinese nationals finally got their free grenn cards (i.e.
>refugee) after they successfully sold their home country, China.  Those 
>refugees are of no morality, and simply are liers: they declared that they 
>faced danger to return to China, and I believe that everyone knows how 
>dangerous to travel back and forth between here and China these days.
>
>I urge your company NOT to offer any privilege to those refugees when they
>compete your comany's open position with other non-refugee candidates.  Your
>cooperation will recover the damage made by those refugees, George Bush and 
>other US legislators.  Thank you.
>
>Mr. Shannon T. Yeh
>Irvine, California
>
>PS: I am not a student.  I just cannot tolerate those who raped justice. 
>
>------------------------ End of the Forwarding --------------------------
>
>Forwarded by Bo Xiong in Chicago

I think somebody may want to save Mr. Shannon's posting as an evidence 
to sue him later at appropriate time, his behavior and remarks are really 
low, terribly low -- otherwise I won't make this comment.t
From: news@news.clarkson.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: try again
Summary: try
Keywords: chen yun
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:13:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: sun.chen.719118787
Organization: Clarkson University
Line: 1

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: ma@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Hui4, Gui4 , or Kuai4 (Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:06:37 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <ldbr64INNb3u@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
> In article <98058@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>>A Sichuan fellow is taking a English course. The teacher is a lady from Shanghai.
>>The textbook says hammer = Chui2ze. The Sicuan fellow is asked to tell what is
>>a hammer.
>>Ding Chui'r.
>>Wrong, try again.
>>Lang Tou'r.
>>Wrong again. Please try hard. Chairman Mao teaches us "Hao Hao Xue Xi..."
>>Chui2ze!!!!!!
>>
> FYI, in some instance, the ChuiZe sometimes means BuenDan (fool).:-)
> Do not return me check to repay tuition.:-)
> 
Sorry about the Chui2Zi question, IF you feel embarrassed. Obviously, you
have no idea what Chui2zi means. Believe me, Mr. Lin. It is much better than
that (fool). Give you a hint, Mr. Lin. Think something small. You MAY have
one. 

A general advice: no one knows everything. If you don't know, don't pretend,
don't think anything which is different to what you think is wrong because that
you might be wrong. Don't live in SiGu too long.

Ma
> Many mainlanders like Can Da Shan (fooling around, talking big,....)
> It is called Gai (cover) in the other side, the person good at that is Gai-shen.
> 
>
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:00:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2F1G.6t6
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <mvdvalk.718973071@bosporus> mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk) writes:
>Dear netters,
>
>Six million Chinese in Hong Kong and 20+ million Chinese in Taiwan can't be
>wrong. I mean, if 26+ million people can learn traditional characters, why
>can't the people in PRC. I heard that the simplified characters are simpler to
>learn. Does this mean that PRC citizens are actually too stupid to learn the
>traditional characters? I can't believe this!

I can't believe my eyes!