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From: hossein@nu.Berkeley.EDU (Karbalei Hossein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: What should we call our nation?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:35:46 GMT
Reply-To: hossein@nu.Berkeley.EDU (Karbalei Hossein)

The discussion of what should we call our nation has
been carried out by a few scholars in recent years and
the pros and cons have been discussed extensively. There
is an article in the Spring issue of Rahavard that covers
this topic in great detail and the author of the article
concludes by saying that Persia is a more appropriate name
for Iran as it brings back to mind all the contributions of Iran
to the world culture and its progress. The interested reader
is refered to the article in Rahavard.

--Kal Hossein
From: manizh@eng.umd.edu (Reza Shahidi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Purpose of life???
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:22:07 GMT
Organization: EE Dept, University of Maryland


    What I am about to share with readers of sci is a philosophical
question which may be inappropriate to formulate but I think  that
there are many of us who are in search of an answer to this question.
I believe that everybody should find his/her solution to this question
but it would help me greatly if you shared your solution with me and
many others who are lost souls like me. Here is the question:

              What is the purpose of life?

   I believe that the answer to this question may be hidden for
many of us Iranians who are first generation immigrants. I may be
wrong  but I know many depressed Iranians whose problems start
with not having a purpose in life. I would appreciate any kind
of reply. I am sure that everybody on the net will benefit.

Best Regards,
-Reza
From: hossein@equinox.unr.edu (Hossein Tavakoli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Help Bosnia
Date: 27 Sep 92 05:29:39 GMT
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno

Dear Brothers and sisters,
To help moslems in Bosnia  you can send your checks to this address.
Checks should be in order of:  MSA (PSG) BOSNIA RELIEF FUND

MSA (PSG)
P.O. Box 6322
ALBANY, CA94706

I got this address from Keyhan Havai newspaper page 5  Sep16,1992.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: kambizm@ifi.uio.no 
Subject: Re: Purpose of life 
Organization: Dept. of Informatics
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:19:44 GMT
Originator: kambizm@hadd.ifi.uio.no


@		What is the purpose of life?

>It depends on whose life you are talking about!   :-)
      
>  - Farzin
              
Yours for sure has been decided by the Japanese (like the last emperor of china). 

I think one should refer to Khayam on this matter.

I guess he said something like

Az amadan o raftan ma soodi ko
Az tar vojood omre  ma poody ko
dar chanbar charkh jan chandin pakan 
misozad o dod mishavad doody ko

Yek chand ze koodaki be ostad shodim
Yek chand be ostadie khod shad shodim
Payane sokhan sheno ke ma ra che rasid
Choon ab bar amadim o choon bad shodim


I am sorry If I do not remember them correctly  but it was anyway something like that.

        

             The reports of my death was greatly exagerated
                                         Mark Twain


                                                    Kambiz
From: khademi@golgi.usc.edu (Peyvand Khademi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Looking for Shangul
Date: 27 Sep 1992 15:34:44 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: golgi.usc.edu
Keywords: Shangul, Mangul o Hab-bey-e Angul


Salam dustane ess-see-Ay

Does anyone out there know if anyone publishes traditional Persian children's
stories told in rhyme, like ghes-sey-e shangul-o mangul?  I have very fond
memories of my grandmother reciting these stories for us when we were kids,
and would someday like to pass them on to mine, but I can't remember the rhymes
which of course gave the stories their special charm and sweetness (and
sometimes bitter sweetness).

Peyv&

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Iranian Women Names After Marriage
Organization: Button
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:26:54 GMT

In article <ld1th7INNqug@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>In article <sehari.718045887@vincent2.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:

salAm, shAhrokh!  Welcome back.  So you really think nothing has changed
since you went into hybernation!?

>>American girls are thought to honor and love their husbands.  Whereas,
>>Iranian girls are thought to break their husbands and put a saddle behind
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>their husband's back!  This is one of the most important reasons that many
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Iranian man usually escape from Iranian women.  I believe, this fact
>>even has contributed to more than %40 single rate in Iran.  The problem
>>is that the potential mother-in-laws, while teaching their daughter how to
>>correctly saddle their future husbands, have forgotten to tell their daughters
>>that you should catch a horse first, then you could saddle him.  
>	                 ^^^^^
>
>and its a darn lucky thing that youre a _cow_ and wont have this worry!
>
>>Therefore you see these amateur horse trainers approach the Iranian men 
>>with saddle in hand!  -:)
>                       ^
>                       |
>		       |
>
>i see that after six months the vertical lobotomy scar over your eyes
>*still* hasnt healed.  yeah, i know, leather heals very slowly.  as the
>matador said: try some oil of 'olaaaaaaaay!'
>
>hooshyar was right on the button to label you bahrol oloom.

I do not recall to have "e'tA" any buttons.  But, you know the idea is 
a genuine one.  How about making buttons that says "bahro'l-oloom" in
Persian, and Ocean of Knowledge in English using font 'helvetica' and under
it in small font using font 'bookman' says soc.culture.iranian?

I know a person who makes these buttons.  Is this something sci netters would
like to buy?  I am sure for few thousands buttons, the price will come down
to one quarter or something.

>heres another appropriate title:
>
>	'la vache qui rie'
>
>oh yeah, it *also* means 'the laughing cow'.
>
>
>>                             With highest regards,
>
>		      With deepest sympathies,
>
>>                                  Babak   Sehari.
>				
>		      Towsan.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056

PS.  I tell God to do something with you (direct translation), I am still
     'velow' [(c) Froozan, 92] on the floor. :-)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farshid@baum.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Farshid Ketabchi)
Subject: Lotfi Zadeh and Claude Shannon
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 22:40:49 GMT

This is sort of a follow-up to an earlier discussion about Lotfi Zadeh
and fuzzy logic, which I just read.

There was a mention there of comparing Zadeh's work to Shannon's
contribution to EE.  Well, based on what I know, I think that's going
a bit too far.

Like many of you out there, I get very excited when I hear about an
Iranian scientist.  Several years ago, when I got some exposure to
fuzzy logic and read a few papers by Zadeh, noticing his name, I was
overjoyed at the thought that he may be Iranian.

Although in Japan, they've been successful in deploying fuzzy-logic
based technologies, here in US amoung many famous AI and CS scientists,
his work was not well-received until a couple of years ago.  This
of course does not mean that Zadeh's contribution is insignificant.

It may very well be the case that fuzzy set theory turns out to be as
important and useful as Shannon's contribution to information theory.
But that remains to be seen.  [I would love to see this happen.]

The other thing is the distinction btwn fuzzy logic and multi-valued
logic.  As far as I rememer, just defining your truth space to be the
continuous set of [0, 1] instead of the binary set {0, 1} does not
make a logic fuzzy.  There is more to it than that, and to tell you
about that I would need to do some digging up in old paper boxes which
I am not going to do right now.  So you can forget what I said here if
you don't like it! :)

Farshid Ketabchi
farshid@inoms.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mahin@reg.triumf.ca 
Subject: Hazrateh Zainab as an experimental feezeezeest 
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  Z = 666 ( Zainab's constant )
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:13:00 GMT


>Let me conclude by asking 'how do we KNOW for sure that matter exists?'
>                                     ^^^^

Let's ask Seyyed.  He knows EVERYTHING. Hey, Seyyed,... 
                                                   [ (c) Life cereal ]

and here's a fun experiment for Seyyed joon exclusively.  Put a cup of
water in the microwave for a few minutes, open the door and drop a grain of
sugar in it. *vicious laugh* Then read your Koran and try to explain the
results.  Btw, have a first aid kit handy.:-)

Good Luck,

Hazrateh Zainab                                                                                                                             


>Same regards,
>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>bavafa@netcom.com
>(415) 322-8056
> 


> 
> 
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From: payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,sci.physics
Subject: Re: In Memory of Professor Hesabi
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:22:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep28.192231.22588
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <28SEP199211472532@csa1.lbl.gov> sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
>
>Are you a physicist who has worked in Iran?  I would be very interested
>in a first-hand account of what it is like to do the business of science
>in a Fundamentalist country.  Perhaps you have something to say on the 
>subject?

Unfortunately I am not a physicist (yet!) :( and have never
worked in an academic/industrial capacity in Iran. 


>>5. Prediction of the existence of the fundamental particle
>>   "Muon" and its properties.  This was verified in 1956 in
>>   the US.
>
>Are you suggesting that Hasebi has a claim to have predicted the muon - 
>a second lepton?  The accepted history of the field, the way I understand
>it, gives the discovery of the muon as a complete accident.  A 100 MeV-ish
>particle was predicted by Yukawa to be the carrier of the residual strong 
>force, but that was the pion.  The muon was found, and thought to be 
>the strong force carrier - until the pion was finally found.

What I worte is a translation from the magazine Ettela'at Elmi.
If Professor Hesabi doesn't have a claim to the prediction of the
existence of the muon, the magazine certainly has!  If there is 
time I will look into this further.

-Payman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: bahro-l-oloom
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:19:45 GMT


you know ever since hooshyar used that diddy about bahro-l-oloom, it made me 
wonder then who is ameer al-bahr. (btw interesting fact, the word admiral came
from ameer al-bahr).

zafar
From: hra2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Hibatur Rahman Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: THE NEWS YOU WANT TO HEAR...
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:33:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


Article #34014 (34018 is last):
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (ANWAR IQBAL)
Newsgroups: clari.news.gov.international,clari.news.politics.people,clari.news.f
ighting
Subject: Afghan president visits Pakistan
Date: Fri Sep 25 20:21:22 1992

        ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (UPI) -- Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani
arrived Friday in Pakistan amid speculation that he may meet Bosnian
President Alija Izetbegovic, who is expected to arrive Saturday.
        The visit follows media reports from Bosnia that Afghan Mujahideen
fighters were helping Bosnian Muslims in their fight against the Serbs.
        Officials in Islamabad said Rabbani, who landed at the northern city
of Peshawar, will begin his official appointments Saturday when he comes
to Islamabad.
        It is Rabbani's first presidential visit to Pakistan, which helped
the Afghan resistance in toppling the Soviet-installed regime in Kabul.
        Rabbani and other Mujahideen leaders fought their 14-year war against
the communists from Peshawar before returning to Kabul in April this
year after the collapse of the communist government.
        Diplomatic sources said Rabbani may meet Izetbegovic, who arrives
Saturday evening but has no meetings scheduled with Pakistani leaders
until Sunday. Both the leaders were to be in Islamabad until Sunday
evening.
        Rabbani will go to Iran from Pakistan. Iran has proposed forming an
Islamic force to help the Bosnian Muslims when the Bosnian foreign
minister visited Iran, Pakistan and Turkey, two months ago.
        Izetbegovic told Pakistani television in New York Friday he was
``grateful to Pakistan and other Muslim countries for the solidarity you
showed with us.''
        Pakistan was one of the first countries to expel Belgrade's
ambassador after Serb rebels attacked Bosnia.


--
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Subject: Re: Shah-Nama Ferdawsi
Reply-To: zamie@zamiepcSanDiego.NCR.com (Zamie Mehraz)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:26:43 GMT


Ba Drood:

I am in about to right some introduction and some facts about our
greatest poet, Ferdawsi, or "the father of Iran".  Please feel free to
correct the content or add any comments or more information.

Ba Sepas

Zamie


*******************************************************************************


Ferdawsi was born in "Diah Bazh" a village around the city of Tuoss(?). 
He was a dihqan (the term dihqan was a lot different those days than
today.  The government was represented by a dihqan, whose principal
function was the collection of taxes.  It was perhaps defined as
something like country gentry, though certainly not a high hereditary
nobility) in around his home land.  A th age of 28, he was married.  His
wife (please if anybody knows her name!) was an excellent musician, a
true wife who shared her life with Ferdawsi.  She was reading materials
for her husband to convert it to poetic structure.  His son died when
Ferdawsi was 65 years old (His son was 37 years at the time being), and
he had a daughter in addition.
It is asserted that Ferdawsi felt young even at the age of 58, but his
son's death really hurt him.

Ferdawsi was very down to earth, and that was why he did not become a
monarch poet.  It took this man 30 years to finish "Shah-Nama". 
Ferdawsi published the second copy of Shah-Nama for Sultan Mahmood in 1022.  


                                    -------------------

- Shah-Nama is the translated term in Pahlavi language "Khoday-Nameh"
- In old Persia before the invasion of Arabs, Persians called their king
"Khoday", and after Islam "Allah" translated to "Khoday".  Therefore,
translators defined this term.
- There are other shah-nama before Ferdowsi, they are:
	(1) "Abu-al-Movayed Balkhi" 
	(2) "Abu-Ali-Mohammad-Abn Balkhi"
	(3) "Ta-Alabi, MaSoudi, and Moghadasi"
	(4) "Abu-Mansour" (the governor of Khorasan during Sammanid dynasty)


(Perhaps to be continued)!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Russia goes forward with submarine sale to Iran
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:28:02 GMT


	WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The administration expressed its disappointment
Friday that Russia has gone forward with its sale of a deisel-powered
submarine to Iran.
	State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the sale of up to
three 2,400-ton, kilo-class submarines -- which Russian officials say are
worth $250 million each -- to Iran is ``destabilizing to the region.''
	``The Russians have told us they intend to proceed with the deal,''
Boucher said. ``We are concerned about this.''
	U.S. analysts in Washington said the first submarine departed three
days ago from Riga in the former Soviet republic of Latvia, and estimate
that it will reach Iran within three weeks.
	``We know where it is,'' a U.S. official said. ``And there is no
evidence that it turned back.''
	Acting Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger told Russian Foreign
Minister Andrei Kozyrev at the opening of the United Nations General
Assembly in New York earlier this month that the United States objects
strongly to the sale.
	Boucher said the administration based its objections on Iran's
support for terrorism and its potential for military aggression.
	``We are concerned about any major (weapons) sales to a country that
we see as potentially aggressive and that supports international
terrorism,'' he said. ``We continue our efforts to persuade all
countries to refrain from cooperating with Iran's military buildup.''
	Russia previously sold 12 of the submarines to India, Algeria,
Romania and Poland, U.S. officials said.
	The sale serves Russia's interest by supplying the cash-strapped
nation with foreign currency. And it helps Iran rebuild a military
capability severly depleted during an eight-year war with Iraq, which
ended in 1988.
	Defense officials say the submarine, which is not designed to carry
sea-launched nuclear missiles, will be of limited use in the Persian
Gulf's shallow waters.
	But the submarines, equipped with six tubes for launching torpedoes
or laying mines, will certainly add punch to Teheran's claim over the
strategically located island of Abu Musa. Iran could also use the
submarines to disrupt tanker traffic in the Gulf, where one-fifth of the
world's oil originates.
	Abu Musa is located nearly in the middle of the Straits of Hormuz,
the narrow passageway through which oil tankers sail in and out of the
Gulf.
	Both Iran and the United Arab Emirates claim the island.
	Eagleburger said in New York two weeks ago that, ``I don't think
there is any question that the issue could become very serious if the
Iranians were to resort to force'' to defend their territorial
assertion.
	Boucher said Teheran and Abu Dhabi should ``settle it peacefully.''


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: ********** THE FARSI COPUTING REVIEW ***********
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:45:18 GMT


Dr Modiri (Dr. Noor)  

I have a question?

What is Farsi  COPUTING?

Is it to prevent getting  Computer  Viruses?  

:-)))))))))))))))))))



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From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Purpose of life???
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:12:06 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Sep30.142207.4536@src.umd.edu> manizh@eng.umd.edu (Reza Shahidi) writes:
>
>              What is the purpose of life?

good quesiotn. I might not know what the purpose of life is, but I sure
do know it is not in books like Quoran or Bible and things like that.
Those are the things that stop us from thinking forward and make us think 
backward like people from 1400-1500 years ago. 
Life is inside you, inside the depth of your guts , inside the sharpness
of your brain. look for it there.
forget about god and thanking him for now, because he has forgotton us.
Yes he has and I can prove it.

Ramin
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From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: javAd Agha admonishes
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:46:17 GMT

In article <28600016@hplred.HP.COM> moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi) writes:

...

Sorry, your article is too long for me to read carefully and answer in
detail. If I keep reading and answering such articles, soon I'll be kicked 
out of the department. There is a few points though I would like to mention:

1) You object that I am so sure about everything. Well everything that I am
   very sure about is from the fact I read it in Qur'an and think about it.
   I have a very strong reference such as Qur'an. But you are so sure about
   yourself that you condemn the government, the parliament, and the people
   (who have voted to them) of a so-called "civilized" country like England
   and you call their law "a dumb law" (I would say you have insulted all
   british citizens), and you have no reference except your humble opinion.
2) You implicitely accept that insulting the religious believes of more than
   1 billion people needs some kind of punishment, but it shouldn't be death.
   Well, it's just that we have our own law. We don't have to follow the
   law that you suggest. If I kill a lamb, say for "eyde ghorban" in public
   in the streets of London, according to our law, I have not done anything
   wrong, but according to English law, I will be prosecuted. On the other
   hand, they don't have any punishment for adultery or homosexuality, while
   we do. We respect their law in that we do not do anything against it (this is
   an implicit agreement while we are seeking VISA), we expect them to
   respect our law too. It's funny, a while ago someone objected to the
   Islamic rule that some killers can pay an amount of money and escape from
   the death penalty. He wanted all killers to be executed. Now you object
   to the rule that another kind of crime is punished by death. Please stop
   dictating us what to do and what not to do. We have a very well established
   law, and we precisely know our duties.
3) You keep saying that people are equal and there is no difference between 
   them, one has not the right to enslave the other, ...
   You are confused on this issue sir. People are equal from the point of view
   of color of skin, race, language, ... not from the point of view of what 
   they "perform" or even what they "believe" in. The last issue, that is 
   their believes, is not of concern to people (i.e. we do not punish anyone
   just for his/her believes) but he/she will be punished or rewarded by God
   for even his/her "believes". About the other one, that is the "acts" of
   people, we people have the duty to react and punish if necessary. It is
   a fact that some people have the "right" to kill some others, even more than
   that, they have the "duty" to kill. You have the right, or better say, the
   duty to kill someone like Adolf Hitler. The only difference again is that
   we believe in a precise law of God, while you have created an imperfect
   law of yours; it's not our problem, it's yours.


Seyyed.