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From: rick@howtek.UUCP (Rick Roy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Computer / Saucer Separation
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:55:32 GMT
Reply-To: rick@howtek.UUCP (Rick Roy)
Organization: Howtek, Inc.
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In article <Bvpttu.Gt4@comp.vuw.ac.nz> (rec.arts.startrek.tech), Philip.Banks@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Philip Richard Banks) writes:
] In article <dnrzc=d@rpi.edu> petitc@rpi.edu writes:
] >
] >  Hmmmm...I always thought the secondary hull was a 'outer layer' and a
] >literal second hull, to absorb shocks and prevent them from affecting the
] >crew.  So, it sorta looks like this:
] >
] >Crew Lives Here    |  (Hull)   |  (Secondary Hull)       Space
] 
]    I kinda hope not.. The last ship that had that hull scheme seemed to have
] real trouble avoiding icebergs.... :-)

Since this thread is *already* way off the subject line: I thought
that the correct term for an iceberg in space was "comet".

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From: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Subject: Re: Distance in the Holodecks
Reply-To: baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:59:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.172613.21094@netcom.com>, linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
[about the illusion of size in the holodeck]
>
>Yeah, but what if the two people walking in opposite directions were each
>holding one end of a rope known to be longer than the width of the holodeck?
>The distance illusion would be killed because the rope would never tighten.
>-- 
How do you know the control program wouldn't arrange a tightening 
of the rope (take up the slack on a winch, or something.)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:23:57 EDT
From: <ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Transporters as Weapons- Why not?
 <1992Oct7.115059.8848@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>

    Mabey you could use the Interdimensional Transport Device but as
I recall, the terrorists hidout had a huge, well shielded power supply
to power it. Such power generation would put a strain on the warp engines--
that could cause problems with evasive maueuvering.

   And what of the Arconians galactic dimensional device. If the
Federation could build just ONE of those, they could defeat the Borg,
romulans, cardasians, etc...


Just a thought...
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From: 880840m@ace.acadiau.ca (MICHAEL ALEXANDER MCKAY)
Subject: Re: Distance in the Holodecks
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:12:28 GMT


There must be things that are plainly impossible, like creating a replica 
stadium and then trying to fit ten thousand real people into it. At this 
point the computer makes that buzza-wuzza-wuzza sound and says, "All right, 
you chuckleheads, I'm wise to you. Stop that."
From: jpw@minerva.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: ships
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:20:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA


Does anyone know the specs of all the Enterprises (a,b,c,d... etc)?

What happened to the 'A'? 'B'?

Just wondering...
From: william@cs.arizona.edu (William (Dragon) Hertling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: For Crying out loud !
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:50:45 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Oct15.144759.620@dct.ac.uk> mlsdb2gal@dct.ac.uk writes:
>Why doesn't everyone stop moaning and GET A LIFE.
>Star Trek has helped shape my life, and I hold it in the highest regard.
>I take the show VERY seriously.
>
>BUT I cannot understand why people continually nit-pick over silly little
>facts (ie did Kirk wear a green or a yellow tunic at Ensign Smith's birthday
>party on July 13 2271) WHO CARES ?)
>
>There's nothing wrong with debate over minutiae, but all these complaints
>over stupid little things.....?

Many people, myself included, enjoy argueing over these little things.
Personally, I know they aren't important (definately not nearly as important
as how warp drives work, or how powerful a photon torpedo is), but they are
still fun to discuss. Are these things details on which the future of the
universe rests? Of course not...but it can be fun just to talk about them,
just as it is fun to find planes and tanks and rabbits in the tech manual.

>If you love Trek (as I do) you accept it faults and all.

If I love Trek, I'll love it however I like. You might feel that to
love something implies unconditional feelings towards it, but I don't
believe that's the case. Nor do I think that two people who use the same
words to describe something (like how they feel about Trek) are going to
actually feel the same exact way. So let us nit-pick, and we'll let you
sit back complacently.

william@cs.arizona.edu

	-	D	R	A	G	O	N	-


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From: arxt@quads.uchicago.edu (Dave Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Romulan Plasma weapons
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:30:26 GMT
Reply-To: arxt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


	In article <10942@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, labrg@emory.edu (Ryan 
Montieth Gill) writes, "What ever happened to the Roumlan plasma weapons of 
old? They seemed like a rather effective weapon, why did they stop using 
them?"  

	My personal theory is that Next Generation warbirds do have them, but
they require so much power that they do not use them except when absolutely 
necessary.  The preybird in "Balance of Terror" was equipped with it as a 
primary weapon simply to prove that it could be done.  One of the reasons that
the bird-of-prey was eventually destroyed was because the plasma weapon used 
too much energy.  They only fired on the Enterprise twice, and it was hinted 
that they had carefully balanced their energy so that they would have enough 
to move under cloak through the neutral zone, destroy the outpost stations, 
and return under cloak to their side of the neutral zone.  They didn't have 
the power to do all that and engage the Enterprise, too, which is why they 
ultimately were destroyed.  I believe that the idea of the plasma weapon was 
that it would consume a lot of energy, but the damage it would do would be
worth it.  "Balance of Terror" showed that one bird-of-prey alone was 
impractical, but several in a group would be very effective.  In "The Deadly 
Years", the Enterprise was attacked by a fleet of ten preybirds.  The idea, I
suppose, was that only a few of the ships would have to fire, and those who 
did would only have to fire one shot, which would conserve each individual 
ship's energy.	


	--The Midwesterner
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:55:55 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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: Maybe the turbo lifts are like Ethernet Packets.  Where you would have several 
: lifts serving one shaft and each one waits it's turn to run down segments of 
: the shaft.
: 
: Just a thought.
: 

	From the technical manula it says that there are multiple turbo
	lifts and multiple routes to different shafts just one lift
	serving the whole ship would not work at all. Think of them as
	little rail cars that also go up and down. During duty period
	changes, more turbo lift cars come on line to handle the extra
	load, witht the computer handling the routing and movement.
	Thus if two cars are traveling towards an intersection then the
	computer could vary the speed of one or both to allow them to
	use th same intersection without stopping.

		Ryan
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From: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Tom Thatcher)
Subject: Re: "TerraWatt"
Reply-To: smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:43:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.184746.21261@clark.edu>, gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow) writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.025246.14460@ultb.isc.rit.edu> smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>>
>>According to the tech manual, at warp 9 the warp field is 1516 cochranes
>>and the power usage is 2*10^7 megajoules/cochrane.
>>
>>Thus, at warp 9 the ship is producing 30,000 terawatts of power.
>>
>>
>>By the way, at warp 9, producing 30,0000TW of power, what is the antimatter
>>consumption rate?
>>
>>Answer: 330 grams per second!
>>
>>Talk about CAFE standards!
>
>That would mean a trip from earth to Alpha Centauri (~4.3 Lyrs), Taking
>~84753 second (just less than a Solar Day) would consume 27,968,490 grams
>of antimatter fuel, thats nearly 28 metric tons for such a short trip.
>
>Please point out any errors I might have....:-)
>
WHOOPS!!!!

I erred in my reading of the tech manual warp field graph!

Power usage at warp 9 is actually 10^9 mega joules/cochrane.
Given the warp field requires 1516 cochranes, that works out to
	
	1,500,000 terawatts, with an antimatter consumption rate
	of 16.67 kg/sec!!

A trip to alpha centauri at warp 9 would take 1 day and use a whopping
1491 metric tons of antimatter.

The figures for warp 6, the Enterprises normal cruising speed, are as follows:

	Warp 6 warp field: 392 cochranes, energy 2x10^6 MJ/cochrane
	Total output 784 terawatts, equivalent to 8.7 grams antimatter/sec.

A trip to alpha centauri now takes 346,000 seconds (4 days) but only
consumes 3 metric tons antimatter.

The enterprise has an antimatter capacity of 3000 m^3, or 3,000,000 liters
slush anti-deuterium.  I have not been able to find data on the density of
liquid hydrogen.  Assuming that it is one-ninth of water, the enterprise
carries 333 metric tons of antimatter, enough for 443 days at warp 6 or
5.55 hours at warp 9.

If slush deuterium is more dense (it is a metal after all) the Ent operating
and emergency ranges are greatly extended.  It is supposed to have a range of
three years without refueling.

(Thanks for inadvertantly pointing out my original error.  The people on 
the net who seem to have *built* NCC-1701-D would have toasted my shorts
:-)  [standard smiley]
8-)  [wide-eyed smiley]
{:-)  [toupee smiley]


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From: hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Course Headings
Keywords: heading
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:12:08 GMT
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems

In article <BvtBuM.HqL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cap36406@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos A. Pero) writes:
>
>From what I've interpreted from episodes, when ordering a course heading
>such as 123 MARK 45, the 123 stands for degrees in a horizontal plane, 
>while 45 stands for degrees in a vertical plane. Therefore, a complete
>trajectory is given for any direction in 3-D. 
>
>My question is, if the above is true, how can Picard/Riker or whoever give
>a course heading without even referencing where they currently are?
>I understand the above headings to be dependent on the orientation of
>the ship. Am I just missing something, or is Picard just an omniscient dude?
>
>
>-- 
>______________________________________________________
> \   Carlos A. Pero  -  University of Illinois at U-C  \
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>   \_____________________________________________________\


The course would be defined in a plane relative to the center of
the galaxy.  It is similar to a ship on earth whose captain gives a
command to come to course 270 degrees, meaning head due west.  It
is valid no matter what your orientation.  In this case, the
horizontal plane is defined as the plane of the line from the
center of the galaxy to to edge (treating the galaxy as viewed from
"above" as circular.  The vertical axis would be perpendicular to
that so would go from the center of the galaxy to the "bulge".

Zero degrees and Zero mark  are arbitrary as is the direction of
the polar coordinates.

Hillel Markowitz        H_Markowitz@att.com
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From: tkeiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Anthony L Keiser)
Subject: Re: Turbo lift question.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:54:26 GMT


     Turbolifts also have an amazing AI program that adjusts the time a car
takes to get to its destination to the length of the conversation going on
within it.  Incredible!!  I bet Geordi had something to do with it.
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From: davesp@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dave Spensley)
Subject: Within the Transporter Beam (Realm of Fear)
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:51:23 GMT
Keywords: wow, hand, me, another, beer

Possible spoilers...

Was anyone else floored when a transport was shown with respect to
the "transportee"?  I have been hoping for a shot like this for the
last few years, and I hadn't seen one until "Realm of Fear".  (I
presume this effect had not yet been shown in TNG.)  IMHO, it'd add
a little more variety if we (the viewer) followed the away team from
the team's perspective as they transported.

                      Dave Spensley  |  davesp@ecs.comm.mot.com
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From: jvigneau@cs.ulowell.edu (Joe Vigneau)
Subject: Re: WHY NOT VISUAL ALSO??
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:28:18 GMT

In article <01GPWEGPSS7K000HXF@phillip.edu.au> T9214504@phillip.edu.au writes:
>             What would it involve in sending back visual as well as
>             audio from an away team? It was once done with Geordy's 
>             visor, which had a transmiter (which had a short range 
>             and usage time), but what about 'normal' visual.
>  	       With their technology, itn't it posible to put a camera
>             on someone's ear lobe ?!?!
> 
>            My thoughts were, a Com-badge 'channel(s)' could be used to
>            send the data, (it is digital isn't it??). Maybe not the
>	    hi-res quality of their 'main viewer', but at least something
>	    for those all important moments of Picard saying - 'Describe
>	    what is happening down there Number One!!'

	That is possible, though it does cut down on the drama aspect..
Other data is being sent to the ship from personnel sensors, such as
tricorder data, etc, however.
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From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: warp overshoot
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:08:39 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <13OCT199204254488@jane.uh.edu> cosc1871@jane.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
>In article <1bcd32INN209@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, lawson@ecst.csuchico.edu (M. Todd Lawson) writes...
>>  When the ship is travelling at warp 7 or 8 and they come up on a planet,
>>  a few micro-seconds will put them light-years away from the planet they
>>  want to stop at. #1 always just says "Take us out of warp, Data" or some-
>>  thing to that effect. Just those words wouyld send them past out entire
>>  solar system.
>  And then there was ST VI where Kirk 
>orders the Enterprise to sub-light for Khitomer orbit ... the camera view
>was external and he came out of warp *real* close to the planet.

My favorite is in STIV:TVH where Kirk orders Warp velocity for
the Bird of Prey while still flying amongst Earth's clouds.

Good thing Sulu, at least, was smart enough to wait. :)

Joshua
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From: lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz)
Subject: Exit Signs
Reply-To: lidz@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:48:13 GMT
From: castillo@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Arcel Castillo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Transporters as Weapons- Why not?
Keywords: transporter, weapon
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:15:24 GMT
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Oct7.052757.6845@netcom.com> linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley) writes:
>	Well, I've seen evert trek show/movie to air and never have I seen
>the transporter used as a weapon. (...)

Well, I'm not sure this qualifies, but in the episode when Picard is
vacationing on Risa (Captain's Holiday?) he destroyed an artifact called the
tax-utat (sp?) using Transporter Code 33.  He ordered a 3 second delay,
placed his communicator pin on the artifact, and we saw it go up in a small
explosion.  Couldn't this technique be used on any desired target?



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From: kfr@pro-freedom.cts.com (Kurt Roithinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: a question....
Date: 13 Oct 92 04:46:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct12.214639.1116
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

this is something that has bugging me for a while:

suppose your average little starship, while cruising through space
encounters a borg ship. with your life (among others) in jeopardy you
search for those frantic options that may yet save the day. then someone
suggests you employ old-fashioned thermo-nuclear bombs to resolve the
matter.
since it is pretty much a given that the borg seemingly do not care if you
beam over to their ship, what if you beam over one or more H-bombs (lets go
for maximum efficency...) sealed in cases rigged to detonate if anyone
where to try to open them (just in case..) and then detonate them as you
move away. now, if this is late 20th century H-bomb it would have a yield
of (approx.) 120 megatons. a spread of a dozen or so propably would be
enough to cause massive damage upon detonation alone. but say the borg are
able to withstand even such a large scale attack from within - they still
face the side effect of a massive electro magnetic current that would fry
any electrical circuit in use at the time. given the fact that the borg
ships are seemingly constructed of electric circutry, we could assume that
they would quite incapacitated and could be made subject to further attacks
in case some redundant circuits are activated. this would seem to be a
surefire way to bag a borg. why hasn't anyone considered this as an option?
in BOBW they say it'll another two years untill they'll have something
online to do the job. could anyone explain to me why using nukes won't
work?

ProLine:  kfr@pro-freedom
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From: follick@jemez.eece.unm.edu (Jeremy Follick)
Subject: Niven and Dyson Sphere's
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 05:35:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Oct13.225603.9890@mlb.semi.harris.com> smccoy@dw3g.ess.harris.com (Scott McCoy) writes:
>*sigh*
>
>Ok, people, go read some of Larry Niven's books.  In one of them, he 
>does an excellent job of explaining the physics of mega-structures,
>including Dyson Spheres.
>
>If someone can remember the specific book, please post the reference
>over to r.a.s.t, along with any followups.
>

It can be found in the article _Bigger_Than_Worlds_
beginning on p.512 of _Playgrounds_of_the_Mind_




Warning: Trying to rationalize treknology may be harmful to your mental
         health.
--
*Jeremy Follick                                   follick@chama.eece.unm.edu
*
* All opinions expressed above are my own and should in no way be considered
* the opinions or policies of the Federation Council or Starfleet Command.
From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Transportation & Communications
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:12:40 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

02maferguson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
: 
: Could the Enterprise transport somebody down on Romulus without anybody
: detecting the transport signal?
: What about communication signals from a ground party on Romulus to the
: Enterprise, could that be detected?
: I know in the episode "Redemption 1 & 2" Picard and Data used a cloaked 
: klingon ship to beam down undetected on Romulus.
From: 880840m@ace.acadiau.ca (MICHAEL ALEXANDER MCKAY)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Within the Transporter Beam (Realm of Fear)
Summary: you can't do it!
Keywords: transporter, storage
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:15:25 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <1992Oct9.130229.28285@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@hiv.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>From: crick@hiv.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
>Subject: Re: Within the Transporter Beam (Realm of Fear)
>>
>Whoa, cool !!  An alternative to cryogenics.  If someone has a terminal >
>disease, all they need do is energizer him, and save the information in>the 
>Enterprise's Hard drive.  Then when a cure is found they can de-energize>
>him and treat him.  Seems like there would be lots of people stored this>
>way, because they still can't cure all diseases.>>Hey, there'd also bee no 
>need for prisons, or penal colonies, as criminals >could also be stored.  
>And all that stuff cluttering up the attic or the>basement in your 24th 
century split-level, energize it until you need it.


Nope. Remember, the patterns degrade to the point of irretrievability after 
about 1 minute.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 09:18:10 EDT
From: Nicholas C. Hester <IA80024@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Within the Transporter Beam (Realm of Fear)
 <1992Oct8.064615.5676@wuecl.wustl.edu> <1992Oct8.202417.18668@rtsg.mot.com>
 <1992Oct9.130229.28285@news2.cis.umn.edu> <880840m.1.718647325@ace.acadiau.ca>

In article <880840m.1.718647325@ace.acadiau.ca>, 880840m@ace.acadiau.ca (MICHAEL
ALEXANDER MCKAY) says:
>
>Nope. Remember, the patterns degrade to the point of irretrievability after
>about 1 minute.

Doesn't the Tech Manual say a person can be stored for up to 420 seconds?
And Barclay was in the beam longer than 1 minute.

Nick