From: math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Extreme naivety and egocentricism among us
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:30:00 GMT
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In article <PI.92Nov10110022@spica.bu.edu>, pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD) writes...
>In article <1dmvd0INNhfj@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu> yfeng@tssmed.hsc.usc.edu (Jeffrey Feng) writes:
> 
>* Contemporary Chinese people, in general, have been losing their 
>  morality.
> 
>  The most typical example: if one guy rushes to a bus in order to get on 
>  first, regardless tens of others waiting on the line, the others will
>  all rush to the bus too if they are Chinese. (What Would other people
>  do if they are not Chinese?) This happens almost everywhere, such as
>  restaurants, theaters, shopping places, ...you name it.
>
>  Another typical example: Chinese people care about very little public 
>  environment. No matter which city you go, the most smell and dirty area 
>  is ...you name it. 
> 
   I don't think this is because we lack morality,but mostly due to our
culture.  Maybe you don't agree with me on this reasoning,actually I can't
convince myself either. 
   Please look at my example: Many of us don't have good manner when eating
---- they make too much noise. I had an Chinese office-mate who always eat
in office,but  right after he started his luch,everybody was driven out.
Finally I was embarassed to see one of my American fellow broke the silence 
and said to him:" Hay,could you keep your mouth close while you were chewing?"
   My second example is that I didn't tell him about his manner problem myself.
Because I thought he might got angry with me,or someone else will tell him,
or he will realize that by himself,or none of my business.
   Not only this,how many of us aware that when both a man and a woman approach
a door or pass way,the man should follow "lady first" rule? Maybe you can say
you know that,but do you do that everyday ? How many of us don't care a lot
about our hair? How many times have you seen several  Chinese  discussing 
problems in public place so loudly that made other people(especially for those 
who don't understand Chinses)  wonder if they were fighting?...
   These manners are really considerd as bad in western social standard.But 
they are not morality problem.I think this is because of our culture. As for 
your examples,I'd call them "bus manner" and "street manner" prbolem,rather
lacking moralty. 

>  ...
> 
>  Most of SCCers sufferd from this infection so that it should not be
>  a surprise that their posters reflect this sickness. It would be
>  a big surprise if their posters did not reflect this sickness.
> 
>* "Well educated"? Most of SCCers may have got good edcation in science,
>   engineering, economy, ... but certainly not in morality.
> 

Again, I can't agree with you on this.
What is morality? Suppose  you procter a formal GRE test,where everybody 
knows that it is imoral to look at other's.But if you tell the testants
you are going to leave the test room for two hours,then the average of 
your testants will be a way higher than others,no matter where this test
takes place.
So my point is, morality exists only if there is a rule.
Since there is no restriction on what to post in s.c.china,nobady can find
out who is doing the thing,sicking messages will be seen all the time.

>* Green card issue very possibly involve political plot, though some
>  people may have been very naive about this. Do you believe that
>  Shannon Yeh himself stands for what he has been shouting? If most
>  of SCCers do not doubt Shannon Yeh's motive, they are not only
>  sick in morality, but also lack of intelligence.
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