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From: jonwd@uwtc.washington.edu (Jon Wiederspan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Supercard
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:06:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.160649.6812
Organization: Technical Japanese Program
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In article <81309@ut-emx.uucp> , joesat@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:
>Does anyone know where
>a discussion group whose interest is Supercard or 
>an FTP site that has Supercard projects or utilities?
>There are plenty of FTP sites and groups for Hypercard,
>but I don't know of any one for Supercard.  I have
>the original Supercard program that was given out to be
>beta tested.  I have been wondering whether to actually 
>get the latest version of Supercard or not.  It does not
>seem that the product is likely to last for long, 
>especially if Hypercard can now be made to create stand
>alone application.
>
>Joe
>joe@martin.cm.utexas.edu

There is a SuperCard site:   teetot.acusd.edu.  It is maintained by Mr.
Nelson Thor Brickman.
There is not a specific SuperCard newsgroup.  SuperCard and HyperCard
share comp.sys.mac.hypercard, since there are (currently) a lot of
similarities between the two.

In my opinion, SuperCard will not be hurt by the HyperCard standalone
version.  Quite
the opposite, I expect this to help SuperCard, since the news release
implies that HyperCard
will no longer be free to everyone.  People who wouldn't look at
SuperCard while HyperCard
was free, may now find that SuperCard is the better dollar value. Of
course, a lot of this counts
on Aldus being smart enough to take advantage of the situation.  This is
not a sure bet, since they
are currently at war with Quark XPress for control of the page layout
market.  Here's hoping!

Get the latest version of SuperCard.  You'll like it.

Jon Wiederspan                             jonwd@uwtc.washington.edu
Research Consultant - Software Design
Technical Japanese Program
University  of Washington
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen)
Subject: Hypercard Foreign Lang. Stacs?
Originator: peterco@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:29:10 GMT

Does anyone have any recommendations for foreign language stacks, either
commercial or public domain?  In particular, we're interested in getting
Russian or other eastern European languages.


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From: plaplagn@metz.une.edu.au (Patrick Laplagne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Play TWO notes at once with Hypercard?
Keywords: hypercard, play, sound
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:11:00 GMT

Hi.
Does anyone know if it is possible, using the Hypertalk PLAY command
to have hypercard combine two or more sounds? This matter is not
mentioned in the Hypertalk doc so maybe it is not feasible. Then
again, maybe somebody somewhere has come up with an XCMD or some
such that does just that. I hope so anyway d:^)
To be a bit more precise:
is it possible, instead of writing

       play "harpsichord" c#

to write

      play "harpsichord" c# and g
                            ^^^
for instance.
Thanks in advance for your answers (post or e-mail)
Patrick
From: mike@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu (Michael Kerner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: script FIND puts box around target. Can I remove it?
Date: 9 Oct 1992 14:26:13 GMT
Organization: WSOM CSG, CWRU, Cleve. OH
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In article <01050023.fjdtap@chinchilla.cars.com> niel@chinchilla.cars.com writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct5.142242.25140@fcom.cc.utah.edu> (comp.sys.mac.hypercard), tomj@u.cc.utah.edu (Johnson) writes:
>>In article <168776A5D.KGODDEN@cmsa.gmr.com> KGODDEN@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>>>In article <qmdbms.718280020@gsusgi1.gsu.edu>
>>>qmdbms@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Brian Schott) writes:
>>>>How can the box around the successfully found phrase be detected and removed?
>>>>In our BBS frontend a button threads through messages using FIND. We would
>>>>like NOT to see the box since it is distracting and not needed.
>
>>>click at the loc of <some innocuous field that does not have a handler>
>
>>  select browse tool
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't both of these methods also have
>the effect of forgetting that this text has been found?  So if you
>try to find the text again, it'll go right back to the first text
>it finds on this card.

Correct Neil.

I suggest this

lock screen
find something
put the foundText into someContainer -- or the foundChunk, foundLine, etc.
choose browse tool
unlock screen

this has the desired effect of giving you the stuff you found while
removing the box.  Of course, you could also code the search without
using the FIND...

--
Mikey.
Mac Admin "Emeritus"-WSOM CSG - CWRU / 	Engineer-NewMedia Corp. Cleveland, OH
"I looked up the word 'Basketball Player' in the dictionary and you know what
it said?  NOT YOU." - Sydney, White Men Can't Jump
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: parshall@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Jim Parshall)
Subject: Re: exporting card problem
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:01:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.035225.6976@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> steven@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Steve Stergakis) writes:
>
>
>i have a serious exporting problem... i am trying to export 
>some of the card in my stack into word 5... the problem is that
>the cards in my stac are 640 wide (across) and 480 long (down)..
>the export function in the file menu (when the paont option is 
>selected) only exports part of the screen.... is there a way where
>i can export the whole card and then shrink it to fit into a word 5
>doc...
>
>heres what ive tried...
>
>1) saving the card as an EPS and impoting into word 5 produces
>a conversion error..
>
>ive also tried saving the whole screen but that doesnt seem to work
>since when i import the picture into macdraw, i cannot cut out the
>bits i dont need ( i only want the card)
>
>any ideas??
>
>thanks in advance
>steven


Steven,

   I use Shift-Command-3 to save a snapshot of the screen.  I then use MacPaint,
or SuperPaint to trim what I don't need.  If I need to resize, I will then
import to MacDraw and scale the picture.

Jim

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: mullen@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Mullen)
Subject: Difference between HC 2.0 and 2.1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:14:27 GMT

The general feeling on this newsgroup seems to be buy Goodman's Complete
HyperCard rather than buying the developer's kit from Claris.  This seems
like a good idea to me, since I already know how to get to userLevel 5.  My
Mac came with HyperCard 2.1, and Goodman's book is about 2.0.  My question
is "What is the difference?"  I assume there are only minor differences and
that the book would still be a good investment.  Please comment.
-- 

Steven L. Mullen
University of Illinois School of Chemical Sciences
E-mail to mullen@aries.scs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: HC 2.1 Ver of ResCopy?
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 22:02:48 GMT
Organization: Massey University

From article <1992Oct7.063310.19951@cc.gatech.edu>, by byrne@cc.gatech.edu (Michael Byrne):
> In article <1992Oct6.105905.13708@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> glb2b@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Glen L. Bull) writes:
>>Does a version of ResCopy which is compatible with
>>HC 2.1 exist?
> 
> Err, well, sort of.  Claris supposedly owns the source to ResCopy 2.0 (which
> Steve Maller wrote while at Apple), but the project to completely bring it
> up to completion stalled.  There are some copies of "2.0b3" floating around
> in various places in the world which work with HC2.1, but no "official" version.

Don't know if this will help as I missed the original question, but just in
case: I wrote a stack called "Resource Library" many moons ago which
contained an external "ResHandle" for moving resources around in HC (and
extracting them from other files into stacks including ICN# to ICON
conversion). As far as I know this works fine under 2.1, can't remember
the last time I used it. The stack (or maybe "Resource Mover" a simpler
version which looks a bit like F/DA mover) should be on the archives
unless its been deleted by now.

Hope this helps,
		Nigel
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From: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Preserving Text-styles
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:41:47 GMT
Reply-To: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Organization: Academic Computing Services, Washington State University


Compile-It is commercial.  Once you pay the license fee, you can
ship stacks that are compiled without restriction.  Contact:

Heizer Software
PO Box 232019
Pleasant Hill, CA 94523
510/943-7667

I have no affiliation with Heizer.

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Academic Computing Services | All standard disclaimers apply
Washington State University |   "Believe it if you need it, 
Pullman, WA 99164-1226      |     or leave it if you dare..."
509/335-0441                |         -- Robert Hunter
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen)
Subject: What Version to Use on Plus?
Originator: peterco@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 06:30:03 GMT

I have a 4 MB Plus running 6.0.5.  Can someone please advise me of what
the best version of Hypercard is to use?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: jpm8m@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jason Pittman Mitchell)
Subject: Re: postcript saves on HC 2.1 cards
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 07:02:55 GMT

steven@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au  writes:
> anyone out there know of a way to print (take a copy)
> of a card and save it into a postscript file.... i dont actually
> wish to print the card right away but i want it saved in a format
> whic can be imported into a word processor such as Word 5...

Does Word 5 allow you to import PICTs?  If so, just snap a
picture of the screen (<shift>-<command>-3).  It'll show up on
your system volume as a PICT file named "Picture x."  

If Word doesn't import PICTs, open the PICT in a program that
does & copy it to the clipboard & then into Word.

I'm too cheap to buy Word, so I don't really know what I'm
talking about.  I'll shut up now.
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From: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: utility stacks
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:45:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Oct13.224533.24565
Reply-To: yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel)
Organization: Academic Computing Services, Washington State University


In article <jpugh-121092190109@90.20.3.200>, jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh) writes:
|>From: jpugh@apple.com (Jon Pugh)
|>Subject: Re: utility stacks
|>Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
|>Lines: 24
|>
|>In article <UeqR1_K00WB5QYN24Y@andrew.cmu.edu>, jm7f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joe
|>Melvin) wrote:
|>> 
stuff deleted...
|>
|>> Also, there used to be a great anonymous FTP host at stanford, node
|>> SUMEX.STANFORD.EDU (it brings up the address SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU when
|>> you telnet to SUMEX).  I tried to telnet to it today, and couldn't get in
|>> with userid=anonymous, password=anonymous.  Does anyone know how to get
|>> into SUMEX, and/or know of any other good anonymous FTP hosts for
|>> HyperCard, HyperText (IBM PC world included), or Mac stuff?
|>
|>You don't telnet to sumex, you ftp to it and then login as anonymous. 
|>Check out the /info-mac/card/x directory for XCMDs and the like.  The
|>Rinaldi collection is notable in its scope.
|>
|>Jon
|>

Also note that sumex-aim has a limit to how many ftp sessions it
is willing to support -- so if you can't get in, try again later.
To avoid this problem, you might try Gopher -- but that's another
thread (no time now...)

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Academic Computing Services | All standard disclaimers apply
Washington State University |   "Believe it if you need it, 
Pullman, WA 99164-1226      |     or leave it if you dare..."
509/335-0441                |         -- Robert Hunter
From: parshall@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Jim Parshall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Uploaded XCMDs and XFCN
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:05:38 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for an anonymous ftp site for
my HyperCard XCMDs.  Today, I have submitted them to both info-mac at sumex
and mac.archive at umich.  I am not sure how long it will take personnel at
the sites to move the files to public directories.

All four are "funware."  If you wish to use them, you must send me something
fun (but inexpensive) from your company, school, city or country.  Examples
include coffee mugs, key rings, pens, t-shirts, but please, no kangaroos. :)
I would really appreciate creative items.  The address is in the stacks.
Other than that requirement, there is no other fee for NON-COMMERCIAL use.

While descriptions are in each of the files, here is a brief summary:

   CommentWdw_v1.sit.hqx       A floating windoid that accepts user input.
			       It is completedly movable and sizable under
			       script control.  It contains OK and Cancel
			       buttons as well as a close box.

   StatusWdw_v1.sit.hqx        A status dialog box completely under script
			       control.  It does not require user intervention
			       to close.  It can display an optional icon and
			       both text and icon can be changed while the
			       dialog is open (for animation...).

   ProgressWdw_v1.sit.hqx      Similar to StatusWdw above except also has 
			       thermometer status bar under script control.

   SearchPlus_v1.sit.hqx       Similar to the Search XFCN included with the
			       HyperCard PowerTools stack but overcomes
			       limitations associated with that XFCN.  (Like
			       unlimited return strings, better descriptions
			       of found locations, and an ignore character
			       list -- for delimiters in search strings.)

   I would appreciate any comments or suggestions.

Jim Parshall
From: mike@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.Edu (Michael Kerner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: WRITING ONE FILE TO APPLESHARE (SOMETHING LIKE THAT)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 14:43:59 GMT
Organization: WSOM CSG, CWRU, Cleve. OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: pyrite.som.cwru.edu
X-Post-Machine: pyrite.som.cwru.edu


As promised, my solution.  If you don't have HyperCard 2.1 I have a
slightly different solution, which I use in specialized circumstances
using pseudo-semaphores - I mean, in 2.1 you could use real semaphores
and appleEvents, but this is a little simpler and it works.

I don't understand why you can't have each client write a text file
and have a merge stack.  That is certainly the easiest solution.  This
one is about next in line and it will work - some of the other
solutions I've seen here leave open the possibility that two users
will try to open the file within a milisecond and blow the second one
away.

Here we go.

In the button used to activate this whole thing,

on mouseUp
   global writeToFile
   put true into writeToFile
end mouseUp

in the script of the card/background or stack - depending on how many
we've got (if you have one card put it in the card, if one background
put it in the background, otherwise put it in the stack)

on idle
   global writeToFile
   lock error dialogs
   if writeToFile
      put "Waiting to access the file"
      open file whateverTheNameOfTheFileIs
      doFileWork
      close file whateverTheNameOfTheFileIs
      put false into writeToFile
   else
      hide msg
   end if
end idle

in the same place you put the idle script put this one

on errorDialog theMessage
   unlock error dialogs
   if "is already open" is not in theMessage
      pass errorDialog
   end if
   exit to HyperCard
end errorDialog

The reason you need to go to all this work is that you can't have
recurring errors after the errorDialog handler is open so you have to
get out and try again.

If you don't have 2.1, want the semaphore solution for 2.1 or have any
questions, EMAIL me...

Mikey.
Mac Admin "Emeritus"-WSOM CSG - CWRU / 	Engineer-NewMedia Corp. Cleveland, OH
"I looked up the word 'Basketball Player' in the dictionary and you know what
it said?  NOT YOU." - Sydney, White Men Can't Jump
--
Mikey.
Mac Admin "Emeritus"-WSOM CSG - CWRU / 	Engineer-NewMedia Corp. Cleveland, OH
"I looked up the word 'Basketball Player' in the dictionary and you know what
it said?  NOT YOU." - Sydney, White Men Can't Jump
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: merrifie@cidmac.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael C Merrifield)
Subject: HyperCard Dev Kit
Keywords: hypercard, development
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:57:41 GMT

What is the benefit of the HyperCard Development Kit from Claris?
Is is really worth while?
From: Al@egansys.uucp (Al Egan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: Speeding up scripts?
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 08:45:43 EDT(-0400)
Organization: Egan Systems & Metalogic S.a r.l.
Reply-To: Al@egansys.uucp (Al Egan)
Distribution: na
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v0


In article <15282@claris.com> (comp.sys.mac.hypercard), James_Zuchelli@qm.claris.com (James Zuchelli) writes:
> 
> I have a script that reads 6 numbers from each row in a field and then
> matches the numbers and to a list in another field (if the first item of 
> row x is 5 then add 1 to x... etc.)
> I have around 400 rows of 6 numbers and it takes 45 minutes or so to go 
> through them.
> 
> Is there a faster way to do something like this?

Put the fields into variables first.
Put each line (row) of the field into a variable while it's being worked
on, then pull the 6 numbers out of that second variable (it can take a lot
of time to find line 200, and 6 * a lot is still a lot).
It might even be faster to always deal with line 1, try it and see:
  put fld whatever into x
  put the number of lines in x into n
  put fld list into z
  repeat with j = 1 to n
    put line 1 of x into y
    delete line 1 of x
    repeat with i = 1 to 6
      if item i of y is in z then
        add 1 to item i of line j of fld whatever
    end repeat
  end repeat
Keep the number of statements in the inner 2 loops as low as possible.
Try single character variable names, maybe?
Post the relevent part of your script for more specific comments.

--  Alan Egan    Egan Systems    Metalogic S.a r.l.    Holder, Egan & Company, Inc.
    Al@egansys   (Al%egansys@wsu-cs.cs.wayne.edu)      Grosse Pointe Shores, MI
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From: ohnacker1@urz.unibas.ch
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: direct data transfer between stacks
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:48:32 MET
Organization: University of Basel, Switzerland

Hi,

maybe my question is stupid, but I have to ask it nevertheless:

Is there any possibility of a data transfer from a field of a stack A into a
field of the current stack? All I know is, that

   put field v of card w of stack A into field x of card y

won't work. 

Thanks very much for any help.

Peter Ohnacker
------------------------
Institut fuer Informatik
Universitaet Basel
Mittlere Strasse 142
CH 4056 Basel

email: ohnacker@ifi.unibas.ch  (or ohnacker1@urz.unibas.ch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: demerit@vms.macc.wisc.edu (J. DeMerit)
Subject: Re: What Version to Use on Plus?
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 16 OCT 92 15:12:55    


>I have a 4 MB Plus running 6.0.5.  Can someone please advise me of what
>the best version of Hypercard is to use?

Use the most recent version 2.1 which supports system 6.0.5 and higher.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
From: doucas@cerberus.bhpese.oz.au (Chris Doucas)
Subject: HyperQuest: This stack id...
Organization: BHP Information Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:19:21 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hypercard


I heard a rumour that you can control copies of a stack being created by
checking for a unique stack id of the original stack. Can anyone confirm
this or has anyone tried to do this? 

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From: parshall@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Jim Parshall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard
Subject: Re: going rate for HC programming?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:46:31 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <8eotHve00WB60ug1BL@andrew.cmu.edu> jm7f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Joe Melvin) writes:
>Hello -
>
>I may be contracting with someone to do some programming in Hypercard in
>the near future.  Having in the past been paid measly wages as a student
>programmer, I'm very attracted to the idea.  I don't know what wage to
>suggest, however - does anyone have any advice to give me?  I'll post
>the answers (without names, of course), unless someone asks me not to
>post theirs.
>
Joe,

   I just left my job as a consultant to start grad school.  HyperCard was
one of the development systems I used.  I was doing work for large companies,
some Fortune 500.  The going rate, based on the length of the contract was
$50-$100 per hour.

   Now, in my experience with smaller companies, $/hour numbers seem to send
people into sticker shock.  If you're going to be scripting for a smaller
company, you might find more success estimating the time to do the project and
submitting a flat fee.  There is, of course, risks to you if you do not
estimate the time properly.

>I'd appreciate any advice people could give regarding other things, too,
>like how to negotiate with the company (they are a book publisher who also
>markets educational software), what to look for in a contract, etc etc. The
>software is a program I developed as a student, which they have purchased
>two years later, and they want modifications done.  The code is largely
>undocumented, so I have that going for me (it would take someone else a long
>time to figure it all out), and they have pretty tight deadlines.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Joe Melvin

   A few comments:

      1. Consider who will own the source, you or the customer.  If the
	 customer owns the source, can you use it in other projects?
      2. Limit your liability in every possible way.  Create a professional
	 services agreement with your customer.
      3. Who will do future upgrades or maintenance?  Will you have right of
	 first refusal to do this?  Make sure you are not responsible for
	 code once the customer has made changes without your knowledge and
	 approval.

   I'm interested who this publisher might be...I think I can guess.  Send
me an e-mail if you don't mind...

   Good luck.

Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hypercard