HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:37:19 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Jul24.053416.535@genie.slhs.udel.edu>, starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
> In article <15520@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
# }I've finally found what doesn't click with Libertarianism and me: a
# }belief that people are guided by rationale, maximalisation of
# }happiness, and concious thinking about the cutting edges of judgements
# }in life, with total disregard of things like peer-pressure, basic
# }mine-is-mine like-me-not-like-me instincts. People aren't rational.
# 
# Yes, St. Augustine.  In case anyone doesn't know, this position in the
# philosophy man is essentially St. Augustine's.  More recently, Libertarian
# activist David Bergland called it the PANG premise, an acronym for People
# Are No Good.
# 
# This is the standard view of man shared by socialists and fascists today.
# The only difference in their belief in this version of original sin is that
# the socialists think that man can be redeemed by force and fraud, and fascists
# have no hope of redeeming man short of the attainment of Heaven in the after-
# life.

It was the standard view of man held by the people that wrote the
U.S. Constitution -- people are no damn good, and if you give them
power, they will abuse it.  The evidence is clear that this is true.
The delusion of socialism is to assume that man can be made good.
Fascism isn't similarly deluded; it revels in cynically using
democracy to abuse minority rights, then once in power, to abuse
the majority.

# Besides which, the statement "people aren't rational" is strictly contradictory.
# The person making this assertion must be rational for it to be taken as any-
# thing more than incoherent, and others must be rational to debate it.  This
# is the sort of conclusion reached by observing some irrational men, then
# generalizing this.
# 
# That people are rational is axiomatic; in order to attempt to deny this
# assertion, human rationality is required.
# 
# 
# Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly

There is nothing rational about humanity.  USENET is the proof,
as are the choices for President this year.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Well, maybe the Holocaust was right *for that culture*." -- a moral relativist
with whom I work.
From: asuccop@milton.u.washington.edu (Annemarie Succop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Fashion Plate
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:21:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.asuccop.712002112
Organization: University of Washington


	xaviera hollender calls your house?

	annemarie, impressed
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: the b-word
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:50:50 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark):
>>ry, would you like to raise a brat with me?
> 
> For you, my *RED* *HEADED* *STUD*, I would wear polyester, and shop at
> Kmart.

my darling, i was talking about raising a child not social suicide
although i can understand how you got confused.  anyway, if you did,
i'd retract the offer, my *NASTY* *VILE* *KKKRUELLA*.  :-)
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss,rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.tv.uk,rec.arts.tv.soaps,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: read@athena.mit.edu (Read Weaver)
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:32:16 GMT

In article <Brpry8.FJw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, eakg3042@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (E. A. Kissling) writes:
|> Tony Randall starred in a sitcom called "Love Sidney", about a gay man who had
|> informally "adopted" a young single mother (played by Swoosie Kurtz) and her 
|> 5- or 6-year-old child (I think it was a daughter).

I remember the hoopla before this show came out, about the gay character.
I also seem to remember that just before it aired they all chickened out
and left the main character's sexuality unstated.  I only watched it
once or twice, and his sexuality didn't come up (tho' that doesn't necessarily
mean anything of course).
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Fidonet <=> Internet
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:35:54 GMT

Excuse this... but I've recieved a couple of netmails on this
and the last reply I tried bounced (badly).

The Fidonet is an amateur computer network (one of many) which
has similar newsgroups (echos) and email (netmail) as the
Internet.  The Internet routers know how to route email to
Fidonet addresses if the Fidonet address is munged with a
little.  There was some confusion over my Fidonet address in
my signature line as it was in Fidonet format and some folks
tried to use it as an Internet address (won't work with almost
all mailers); I converted it to a proper Internet address (now
I will get email stating that it isn't a proper Fidonet
address on the Fidonet :).

FIDONET              to  INTERNET
tdbear, 1:102/1006.6 <=> tdbear@p6.f1006.n102.z1.fidonet.org 

-- 
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Tandon Corporation      tdbear@p6.f1006.n102.z1.fidonet.org fax 805-529-8895
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: RFD: Still in print?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 22:38:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul29.172614.25119@thinkage.on.ca> <1992Jul29.203333.22907@uwm.edu>

Peter Stephen Thomas III sensibly asks:
>For those of us who are young and un-initiated in these
>worldly matter, but who love salivating over such things
>as hippie dick, where can I write for my copy?

FILM AT ELEVEN
2215R Market Street, #559
San Francisco, CA 94114

Issue #3 is imminent, if not already out. By mail, each 
issue is $6, including first class postage. Indicate 
that you are 21 or older when you write; you can tell
Gene you got this info from me, if you want to.  ;-)
 
() It is the spirit of the age to believe that any fact,
() however suspect, is superior to any imaginative exercise,
() no matter how true.
()      -- Gore Vidal
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the new innocent
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:11:01 GMT
Reply-To: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

In article <manz.712397174@ee.ualberta.ca>, manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz) writes:
>
>>By the way, the article says "heterosexual anal intercourse", doesn't it
>>mean male's penis inserts into female's anal?  So where did you get this
>>"heterosexual *GAY* Sex" idea???
>
>Anal intercourse has generally been attributed as a Gay sexual practice.  That's
>where J.N. `got this idea from.'
>
>>Well.... I guess it can mean female brings over a fake penis and insert into
>>male's anal, but that's HIGHLY unusual.
>
>You think so?  I don't.  I know quite a few straight men who like that
>sort of thing.                              ^^^^^^^^

What?  Straight??  A 'straight' man wouldn't be so desperate to be the
insertee, would he?
If he likes to be fucked by penis that much, he just can't be all straight.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: the b-word
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:50:06 GMT

In article <92202.193652IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>
>i am a breeder.  i bucked a lot of pressure to have an abortion or
>to give her up for adoption to keep my daughter, and i love her dearly.

That's nice, but you're missing the point that some of us are making.

To wit, there are too many people in the world.  There are too many people
in the world because so many people think having their own babies is
really neato.  This "breeder" mentality is driving overpopulation of our
planet.  Everyone who thinks that having their own kids is just too
cool for words and they can't imagine not having kids of their own are 
part of the problem.  That makes you part of the problem.  You bred and
made more people, deal with the fact that some of us don't appreciate
that.

While I would definitely prefer to see more lesbian mothers than bigot
mothers, I'd rather see less mothers all around.

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: new hankie codes?
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:07:08 GMT

Peter Stephen Thomas Iii (pst@csd4.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
 
> In article <1307@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
> >I doubt if the hankies were club related, since they weren't both wearing
> >the same color. If they were wearing earrings, 501 jeans, black Reeboks,
> >and the hankies, then they are undoubtedly straight boys trying to look
> >cool.
> >
> I wanted ask them if they knew what they were flagging, but was afraid that
> if I did explain, I'd have my faced punched.

You surely would have.  The hankies mean "we're straight",
and had you asked their meaning and been forced to explain
about hankie codes, you would have been shoving homosexuality
down their throats, consequently *forcing* them to protect
their fragile masculinity by punching your face.

Simple, huh?

--jns
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From: lisad@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Lisa Dominique)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,rec.arts.tv,alt.individualism,rec.arts.tv.uk,alt.activism,rec.arts.tv.soaps
Subject: Re: Gayspace (was Re: Do You Remember... and Re: On Banning Private Discrimination)
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:34:49 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <l7at5tINNrnd@mizar.usc.edu> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.094019.14254@cs.hw.ac.uk> 
>neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
>| In article <l76cdcINN1l6@mizar.usc.edu> 
>| adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>| >
>| >Last night I had dinner at my (West Hollywood) neighborhood
>|
>| Do you want to stop cross-posting this shit to sewsgroups that it doesn't
>| concern.
>|
>| Seriously, get a life punk.
>
>This isn't exactly the language Neil used in his letter
>to me.  I think he called my post "fag shit".  But I could
>be wrong.
>Drop dead, asshole.
>

I don't care what your sexual preference is, but we are ALL
adults here, am I correct?   Please, take your namecalling
to private email.  At least have enough self respect to do
that, thankyouverymuch.

--Lis
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: New reading material
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:50:58 GMT

> hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:

>I had a very similar reaction to the new David Wojnarowicz book, _Memories
>that Smell like Gasoline_, which I just finished today. It's hard
>to live up to _Close to the Knives_. _Memories_ (from Artspace) is
>packaged a little like a children's book, illustrated with Wojnarowicz's 
>affecting drawings. The texts are similar in flavor to the more anecdotal
>pieces in _Close to the Knives_, but they don't have that breath-taking
>sensation of motion and *space* that makes the earlier pieces so unforgettable.
>But there are some wild dream sequences, and the texts work well with the
>drawings. A little expensive at $15. 
>
>I was told there are several more Wojnarowicz books coming out soon.
>Has anyone seen them?

I didn't see it mentioned here...David Wojnarowicz died last
week of AIDS, at the age of 37.
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From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.women,soc.bi,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: TV mail list
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:26:40 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <92204.173016IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
+yeah, right.  anyone actually trust this?
+
+                                    -ailsa

Sure if:

Definition: Transvestite, a person who trades in their 'city slicker
duds' for 'real live cowboy wear' on Sundays.


-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: D.C. DP act still alive
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:00:23 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Originator: jns@rac2.wam.umd.edu


For those who have been following the trials of the 
District of Columbia Domestic Partnership law, here is 
an excerpt from an item in _The Washington Blade_ [DC's 
GLB newspaper] of 24 July.

   "Partners law so far unscathed in Senate"
   [by Cheryl L. Coward]

      Unlike its trip through the House of Representatives,
   D.C.'s domestic partnership law apparently did not 
   undergo any attacks from conservative members of Congress
   in Senate hearings this week on the D.C. appropriations
   bill.
      On Wednesday [22 July], the Senate Appropriations
   subcommittee for D.C. referred the appropriations bill to
   the full committee without even an attempt to attach
   amendments which would adversely affect the domestic
   partnership law.  The full Appropriations committee met
   yesterday, and as of _Blade_ deadline, no attacks on the
   law had taken place.
      Last month, the law survived repeated attacks from
   Rep. Clyde Holloway (R-La.) who attempted to pass a 
   resolution that would have nullified the law while the
   bill was in committee.  He also attempted to overturn it
   on the House floor with a similar tactic.  Ivy Young, the
   director of the Families Project for the National Gay and
   Lesbian Task Force, attended the hearings Wednesday as
   did D.C. Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton.  Young said any
   attacks on the bill in the Senate committees would have
   come as a "complete surprise."
      ...Ernie Evans, an openly Gay special assistant to
   the [D.C.] mayor, said that the regulations [governing
   the implementation of the law] will be available for public
   comment by ...[August 31].  He added that in approximately
   two weeks, [D.C. Mayor Sharon Pratt] Kelly will issue an
   order to the various departments involved in implementing
   the law mandating that they formally prepare regulations....


--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jwenger@ulys.unil.ch
Subject: Re: French Tongue Twisters
Organization: University of Lausanne - CH (Switzerland)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:06:40 GMT

 In article <1992Jul20.150422.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>
 remcke01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes: 
>This one's not hard to say, but sounds funny when spoken:
>>
>>Un vert vers va vers une verte verre en hiver.
>>
>>(A green worm is going toward a green glass in winter.
> 
... But seems to be more difficult to write correctly!

"Un ver vert va vers un verre vert en hiver"

ver = worm (n.m.); vert = green (adj.); verre = glass (n.m.)
and in french the adjective follows the noun.

----------------
Jacques C. Wenger, Universite de Lausanne, Suisse
jwenger@ulys.unil.ch
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: I HATE GAY MEN.
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:42:42 GMT
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.

Maybe it should be called I HATE BARS.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: French Tongue Twisters
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:56:44 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Jul21.041135.25224@cs.mcgill.ca>
akbar@cs.mcgill.ca (Alain BOUCHARD) writes:

>Je suis sur la berge du ravin, pas sur la verge du rabin.

Besser fliegen wie Voegeln als voegeln wie Fliegen!

V Pravde net izvestii, v Izvestii net pravdy.

[It's better to fly like birds than fuck like flies!]
[There's no news in Pravda and no truth in Isvestia.]

-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris)
Subject: Re: LBG Actors (was: Gay/Lesbian Characters) 
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:23:05 GMT

katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:

>adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>: Gosh, this is a *fascinating* thread!  But why don't we take it 
>: one step further?  Let's write about gay/lesbian *actors* on TV 
>: series!  OK, all?  And I'll start:
>: 
>: Charles Nelson Reilly ("The Ghost and Mrs. Muir" and an endless
>:                        number of game shows)
>: 
>Don't forget "Bewitched", with at least 3 to its credit:

>Paul Lynde, everyone's favorite nelly uncle (Uncle Arthur)
>Agnes Moorehead (Endora)
>Dick Sargent (Darren II)

>Dick Sargent is Out and Proud!

Yep!  Met him at Halloween 8 in New Orleans last year.  He had quite a few
interesting anecdotes about "Bewitched".

What about Scott Baio?  Is he out?  Or is that a nasty rumor (nasty if it's
not true)?

===========================================================================

Jeff Norris                     Avoiding danger is no safer in the
norris@infonode.ingr.com        long run than outright exposure.
  __                            The fearful are caught as often
  \/                            as the bold.         --Helen Keller
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Sappho.
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:16:52 GMT
Reply-To: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl
Organization: Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam

I see.

Well, in that case, I must apologize. Totally, profusely and humbly.

I still don't understand everything, what has been sent to me were only
very small peeks.

What I have seen is that my words seem to have roused a level of
negative emotion I did not wish raised.

From what I see, your space must be very important, very hard fought
for, and very precious to you, to be defended as you do. I never
intended to really breach it, my words were just rash. Of course, you
could not know.

Again, I'm sorry. I'll be more carefull. I do not wish to use age as a
shield, but at 21 I still have a lot to learn.

If it is this important to rouse this, it means that sanctuaries and
places to be amongst yourself as women are more seldom than I thougt. I
have learned this. Thank you.

					FJ!! (No, I won't have a nice
					day. Knowing I cause stuff like
					I saw does not give me nice
					days)

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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.motss
Subject: Re: Hi. I'm Dave.
Date: 30 Jul 92 07:04:46 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Jul30.050437.4336@menudo.uh.edu> elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>Anyway, my point is... as long as we discriminate ourself from the
>straight world either consciously or unconsciously, we will always be
>discriminated.  We need to work WITH the straight world, not AGAINST it.

It's not me that discriminates myself from the straight world, it's
straight people that discriminate against me.

Some straight people, that is. I keep forgetting to acknowledge that
there are some heterosexuals who are completely wonderful, people who
feel like they are one of me.

I wish that all straight folks would be as truly accepting of my
sexuality as some are, but I have no illusions about it happening
tomorrow. In the meantime, I will take care of myself.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/              Death needs time for what it kills to grow in
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 23:06:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.183623.26162@pony.Ingres.COM> rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner) writes:
>Typical racism.  It really doesn't matter if they have anything to do with
>it, it is just a convenient place to heap your garbage.

Typical shallowness and selfishness.  If they benefit from it, and do not
actively throw off the results of this benefit and work against it, they
are responsible for it.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: I HATE GAY MEN.
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:57:54 GMT

In article <thaaang.712478285@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>shame is the only real evil. 

If you think that, my child, you are in need of some hard education.
The world is filled with *WICKEDNESS* and *SIN* and *DIRTY* *EVIL*
*FORNICATION*.  Don't worry, your Grandmama will protect you from
all of that.  Now take off your clothes and get in bed.  Ignore the
big teeth.

KKruella
ry@usl.com
From: mprats@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mario Prats)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Spanish Tongue Twisters (was French Tongue Twister)
Date: 22 Jul 1992 19:02:48 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: earthquake.berkeley.edu


Here is another Spanish joke:

Como se dice autobus en aleman?

"Subanestrujenempujenbajen"

A tongue twister:

Pablito clavo un clavito en la calva de un calvito,
en la calva de un calvito Pablito clavo un clavito.


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