From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: BETTER? 92 Camaro or 92 Iroc Daytona??
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 00:14:08 GMT

In article 1dh1omINN7pq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik) says:
>
>>In article 1dcj7lINNpop@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>>
>>>In a previous article, atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik) says:
>>>
>>>>In article 7824@zds-oem.zds.com, easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:
>>>>>In article <1992Nov4.200129.28498@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>CAMARO!
>>>>>
>>>>>  And he better hurry as they seem to be dwindling on the car lots
>>>>>around here, in anticipation of the '93's comming in January.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Just say NO to FWD!
>>>>>
>>>>>  Problem is, if your not too fond of the F cars or the 'stang, the 
>>>>>RWD choices are getting quite limited these days...
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Torque Monger
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-- 
>>>>>  ___  ___    Jeff Easton             easton@zds-oem.zds.com
>>>>> (__  (__     Zenith Data Systems     j.easton@mi04.zds.com
>>>>> ___) ___)    Saint Joseph, Mich.     easton@andrews.edu
>>>>>Monte Carlo   Z-LS/20 - Choice of a quiet generation
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In that case, get a used PORSCHE 928 that was well maintained.
>>>>I know it's European, BUT It gives good vibes! :) :)
>>>>
>>>>BTW, I could walk into the local PONTIAC dealership out here
>>>>and buy a new FORMULA cheap! Out here, people keep their old 
>>>>cars FOREVER because rust is minimal here on Vancouver Island!
>>>>No demand!
>>>>
>>>>My old one still has lotsa life left, so I'll pass for a few years.
>>>>The one in the showroom is loaded but without Auto or Air. It even
>>>                                       ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>HUH??? a FORMULA w/o an auto?? never laid eyes on one..i was thinkin
>>>that they were never actaully made...WOW..i'd love to drive this once.
>>
>>That's right! She's a rare one in the States, but most of the ones 
>>that were imported to Canada came with a 5-Speed. My '87 also has the
>>five speed with a stiff hydraulic clutch. The newer ones are easier
>>on the left leg, but I'm used to mine. The original owner of my car also
>>equipped it with(among other cool junk) disc brakes all around, 16" 
>>wheels, 245/50/VR 16 Gatorbacks, 5.0 Litre TPI V8(the manual tranny was
>>not available with the 5.7), Full analog instruments, top of the line 
>>Delco stereo, T-tops, cruise, PWR locks and windows(no PWR mirror or
>>seat), performance suspension, etc,etc,etc(!)
>>
>>Are you foaming at the mouth yet? :)
>> 
>>>>has the LEATHER INTERIOR!!
>>>         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~another(???) definate negative...along w/ lack
>>                             ^^^^^^^               ^^^^^^^^
>>
>>Oh, so you don't like shifting? What a colossal shame! :(
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>READ FURTHER!
>ahem..i mean..read further.  you cut that in the wrong place!..
>what it sez is "the facts that the car has no airconditioning AND a 
>leather interior create negative brain vibes!..the stick is the only
>damn thing i'd buy the car for!!..but i like a/c(i live in Texas,
>or used to...:)..and do not care to pay for leather that i don't
>really seem to like..thus..the leather interior is another
>negative along with lack of a/c..you just edited wrong :)..hmm..you
>haven't been reading the thread on why americans can't seem to get
>away from automatics, have you?..didn't think so! try it..could clear
>up a little of your confuzion on my stand on sticks! :-)

OK, that clarifies it all for me. Leather is a personal taste thing and
is IMHO cleaner than cloth(less dust buildup inside the car.) BTW, the guy's
desperately trying to get rid of the machine, so he'd probably give a great
deal on the car: LEATHER for FREE! You wouldn't have to pay for it.
 
Confusion gone WRT your stand on the"TO SHIFT OR NOT TO SHIFT"question.
I knew as soon as I read one of your later posts yesterday. 
I love to hate AirCon because the damn thing was always busted on my '74
Monte Carlo and my '81 Buick. After frying two compressors due to leaks
and other problems, those things are just not worth the trouble IMHO.
It costs too much to fix and it doesn't get so hot here in South-Western 
Canada like it did in Montreal, where I come from. 

>>Shiftless cretins should be made to drive TRABANTS  
>>with NISSAN auto trannys low on DEXRON for two months. :)
>
>aaaakkk..no way!!!!

I was joking. :)
>
>>
>>That'll fix 'em!!! :)
>> 
>>>of a/c..does anyone else not like leather??..my question is, would it
>>>wear to you in a couple months?..the ones i've sat on were always too
>>>slick..they didn't hold you..almost as bad as vynal..but if they would
>>>hold you in a couple weeks, i'd take it! :-)
>>>DREW
>> 
>>ACCKK! AirCon sucks away fuel and power! I just leave the T-tops open
>>and GO FASTER!!! I don't have leather myself, but it smells good and
>>is not a problem as the seats are true buckets that your ass gets
>>planted in.
>>
>>>>
>>>>You'll unfortunately have to pay the Canadian price, though. :+(
>>>>
>>>>Torque Monger  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>-- 
>>>??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>>??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>>?????????????????????????????????-----whatever!
>>
>>Torque Monger
>>
>>
>>
>-- 
>??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>?????????????????????????????????-----whatever!


Torque Monger

Newsgroups: rec.autos