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From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Inadvertant Daycare
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:28:55 GMT
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
Originator: sgauch@damon.ccs.northeastern.edu

We have a problem with the children and parents that live next door.
Actually, two problems.  The first is that we seem to always have
the neighbors kids at our house on the weekends.  The parents 
seem to be content to let their kids out of the house to play
(Matthew 5, Katie 3.5).  Within minutes they are at out house.
I'd just send them away, but Laura (3.5) loves to play with Katie.

There are two separate problems:
1) number of hours
We end up with the 4 kids (we also have a baby) for hours and hours
on the weekend.  This Saturday for example, M&K came over at
11:00 and stayed until 3:00 (including lunch).  Back from 4:00
to 6:00.  On Sunday, K came over at 9:30, M at 10:30.  John took
Laura & K for a walk, I played with Matthew (Brian, the baby, was
sleeping).  I made lunch for all the kids, then sent K & M home t
1:00.  At 2:00 they were back.  I sent the troop outside.
At 2:30 they came back, I sent the troop next door.  At 3:00 they were
back.  I sent the all next door.  They stayed an hour and then Laura
came home. 

I hate sending them away, making them feel like ping pongs no one wants,
but by this time we'd had their two kids for over 10 hours and they had
had Laura for about 1/2 hour.  John tries to do some work over the
weekend, so I'm often juggling 4 children on my own.  He stops what he
is doing to help when things get complicated. The Dad next door is
addicted (truly) to video games and does nothing all weekend.  The Mom
gets a lot of chores done (and occasionally goad the Dad into action)
but there is little time or energy left.  

We're willing to do more than "half" - I like having the kids around, and
frankly wouldn't trust them to supervise Laura for long periods of time.
How can we discuss this with our neighbors so that we all remain
friends but they keep their kids at home more.  I'm sure their point of
view is that they send the kids into the back yard to play, and that
doesn't require their supervision.  If we sent Laura out too, then
we can supervise.  If we let their kids into our house, then we can
supervise.  

I'll save the second problem for a separate posting.
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: caroline@topaz.Stanford.EDU (Caroline Lambert)
Subject: Re: Turnips?????
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:21:53 GMT

In article <765194d2350822t76@witsend.uucp> dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions) writes:
>Would you believe that now every time we go shopping I have a
>hyperactive eight-year-old demanding turnips constantly?  TURNIPS???

Yesterday I was washing some salad greens when my 5 year old daughter
came up and asked if she could have some - she likes to stand beside
me and watch and nibble. So I gave her some, which she ate and then
asked for more .... after a while I asked her if she knew what exactly
what it was that she was eating, and she said, 'Lettuce'. I shook my
head and told her it was spinach. She wrinkled up her face and said,
'SPINACH! YUCK!' and wouldn't have any more ..... sigh :-(.

--
Caroline Lambert  		caroline@pangea.Stanford.EDU
Seismic Tomography Project
Department of Geophysics, Stanford University
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education
Subject: Re: Networking kids at school...
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:00:00 GMT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

bjb@pyramid.pyramid.com (Bruce Beare) writes:

> I understand that there are a number of conferencing systems or bulletin
> boards that may be used by schools to let children 'talk' to one another via
> computers. I am interested in helping to set up a program for the local
> elementary school so that the kids can 'converse' with others in a diverse
> geographical location(s). Does anyone have any information on a group that is
> involved in this sort of thing?
>
> Is any interested in setting one up? I can probably swing internet access for
> the local school if someone elsewhere on the net is also interested.
>
> Please reply via mail or phone to:
>
> Bruce Beare
> bjb@pyramid.com
> (408) 428-8630

This is how I first got interested in computing. Way back when I was in
5th-6th grade or so, (I'm 32YO now.) my math class went to visit some
other school, and the only thing I remember about that trip was that they
had a computer set up so they could talk to other kids at other schools.


* * email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati * Houston, Texas, USA, Earth * *
From: led11@ccc.amdahl.com (Lynn Robinson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homeschooling?
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:41:41 GMT
Reply-To: led11@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Lynn Robinson)
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

The address to subscribe to the homeschooling mailing list is:
  home-ed-request@ima.isc.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smmyers@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Subject: Re: Waterbeds
Reply-To: smmyers@PacBell.COM (Sean M. Myers)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:28:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.152022.25851@src.honeywell.com> jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus) writes:
>
>Okay, these may seem like pretty dumb questions, but please bear with me.
>My boyfriend's mother recently offered us the waterbed from her house, and
>he really wants to take it. I don't know if I want it as I've always been
>perfectly happy on a firm mattress. But... now that I'm in my seventh month
>of pregnancy, I'm having a little more difficulty getting comfortable (which 
>I'm sure many of you can relate to!) and we thought maybe the waterbed would
>be better for me. My questions are:
    ***   Stuff Deleted   ***
>Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated! TIA
>
>-Jen (Due Nov.14)
>

     When we found out that my wife was pregnant and told her aunt, she
remarked that a waterbed was a blessing for her.  The only problem she
encountered though was that she had a hard time getting out of it and her
husband had to go to the side opposite of hers and push down on the bed to
create a wave motion big enough for her to get out.

     What a sight that would be :-)  Well, since we have a waterbed I guess 
I'll find out...


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Cradle Cap (was: Hair washing)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:35:11 GMT

In article <1718@optigfx.optigfx.com> wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang) writes:
>In article <TIGGER.92Aug7225735@satyr.Sylvan.COM> tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
>>Since he's laying on his back, it's easy for me to rinse
>>his hair well, which is important, since if I go too long between
>>washing it, he also starts to get cradle cap.
>>
>>Kathy had recurring cradle cap until I switched shampooos. Then I
>>cleared it up and it's mostly stayed cleared up.
>>
>
>Oh, I was just wondering about Christine's cradle cap and why
>she still hasn't got rid of it at 8 months.  I didn't know that
>it can reoccur!  I use Johnson's & Johnson's baby shampoo.  Would
>switching to another brand help?  Any good tip is appreciated.

Sarah still gets recurring patches of cradle cap (or as she calls it,
baby crap) at three and a half.  We don't try to do anything about it.
As far as I know, it's harmless.  Is there any reason to be concerned?

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Velcro Diaper Wraps and Cloth Diapers (NEW questions!)
Keywords: OH NO, NOT AGAIN!!!
Date: 13 Aug 1992 19:29:19 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Aug13.045117.17396@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
|> In article <l8ivpmINN5nr@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu> michelle@cs.utk.edu (Michelle) writes:
|> >
|> >1) How true to size to the Nikky's fit?  NB is up to 9 pounds!  Do I
|> >want to just go ahead and get the next size up instead?  I have no
|> >idea if we will have a big baby or not - but my husband thinks he was
|> >approx. 10 lbs when he was born!!!  They say the cut is different
|> >on the NB - at least for the wool, is that also true for the all-cotton?
|> 
|> YOu can probably skip the NB size. Jeffrey always seemed to fit in 2-3
|> Nikkys at one time. I think the cut of the NB sizes includes a small cutout
|> for the umbilical cord, but I dont remember finding it too useful. I still
|> managed to knock the cord at every opportunity :-(.

That's what I thought--that I could skip the NB size. Wrong! It all
depends on how chubby your baby's thighs are, and you can't predict 
that. You also can't predict how much the baby'll weigh when s/he 
comes out. And you certainly won't have time to go buy new ones in 
those hectic first two weeks.

I think knocking the cord is quite okay--you just need to keep it dry, 
which means be sure to fold the diaper away from the cord. Moistness
encourages infection, but knocking it about encourages it to fall off,
which seemed a very desirable side effect when Will's cord failed to 
fall off until it was finally removed professionally at 5 or 6 weeks!

Don't buy too many sizes--wait to find out what you like in the first 
size. 
(We finally decided that disposables really are a superior 
technology. I hope I don't get flamed for that--it's been QUITE 
thoroughly covered here in the past, so flames SHOULD be unnecessary!)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: L638615@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (STAFFORD, KD)
Subject: Re: No More Bottles!
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:19:48 GMT

Regarding the last post on this subject about "weaning" off of the "binky"...
isn't a "binky" the same as a pacifier (rather than a favorite blanket or
stuffed animal?).  As I recall, when my brother was a baby (13 year difference)
he had a pacifier that was called a "binky" (brand name or something).  In
this case, the reasons for weaning would be the same (teeth, etc.), right?

Could somebody help me out with this, please?!  :-))

Kelly
From: judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Cute story (Was: Re: Mischievous Child (3 YO))
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:23:04 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <4310184@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> poon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Vivienne Poon) writes:
>
>You are talking about difficulties with reasonable explanation. I am 
>talking about a child who enjoys being disagreeable, ahead of you all
>time and playing tricks for fun.
>

When we were going to Church yesterday, my 4 YO entered underneath my dress
because we had had an altercation in the car and "I don't want anybody to 
see me".  The woman who is head of education saw us and laughed.  She patted
me on the back and says, "That's 4 YO behavior".  

So, at the risk of being redundant, "That's 4 YO behavior".  

-- 
Judy Leedom Tyrer

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"	- William Blake
From: kellihmt@daisymae.crd.ge.com (Margaret T Kelliher)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Hepatitis vaccine
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:41:02 GMT
Reply-To: kellihmt@daisymae.crd.ge.com (Margaret T Kelliher)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <14086@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
(Paula Burch) writes:

|>Given that a child has essentially zero risk of catching 
|>hepatitis B as an infant, I would like to have my child wait until he's 
|>older to get the hepatitis vaccination. The reason given for vaccinating 
|>infants against hepatitis--that parents simply don't vaccinate older 
|>children--won't hold in my case, and it's possible that waiting may reduce 
|>risk. 

My doctor gave me another reason for vaccinating infants. She said that the
disease is transmitted feco-orally, so if your small children play with
other small children who might be at risk, there could be exposure. (Her 
primary reason was similar to the herd immunity which has already been 
mentioned, but the secondary reason interested me as well.)


Just my $.02,
Margaret Kelliher
kellihmt@crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: johnnyb@flamingo.ims.com (Johnny Battle)
Subject: Re: Cradle Cap (was: Hair washing)
Reply-To: johnnyb@flamingo.ims.com
Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:30:32 GMT

Reid Kneeland writes:

>Sarah still gets recurring patches of cradle cap (or as she calls it,
>baby crap) at three and a half.  We don't try to do anything about it.
>As far as I know, it's harmless.  Is there any reason to be concerned?

Probably not.  I hope not.  Our son still has a patch on his head at
age twelve.  Regular dandruff shampoo helps, but I think we will try 
this Paul Mitchell stuff people have been writing about.

**********************************************************************
Johnny Battle
From: smergen@luna.dpl.scg.hac.com (Sandra Mergen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re:  5 month old sleep problems
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:40:03 GMT


Ira ekhaus (ibe@world.std.com) writes:
>We have a 5 month old boy who has great trouble with restlessness
>at night.  We are searching for answers.....

Whenever our 7 month old Daughter has trouble sleeping, we always
suspect an ear infection.  If she wakes up, I try to nurse her
again in hope that she'll go to sleep again.  If I notice her
tugging or holding her ears, or if she goes back to sleep only to
wake up again shortly after, I take her to the doctor to have her
ears checked.

Especially if she has a cold.  Many times it does turn out that
the problem was an ear infection.  My second daughter doesn't get
a fever with her infections, so sometimes its hard to tell.

Sandy
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Choking - What to do?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 17:38:09 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

A number of people have described essentially what I learned in an
infant/child CPR class that I took last spring (and intend to repeat
this coming spring; I'll also add my strong recommendation to those
that have already been voiced for others to take such a class).

A couple points that I have not seen mentioned but were taught in my
class:

1. If the person (infant, child or adult) is able to cough, doing so
   will create far more pressure to launch the object out of the
   throat than anything you can do from the outside, including the
   heimlich maneuver.  Encourage them to cough if they can, and as
   long as they can cough, don't interfere in any non-verbal manner.

2. Back slaps are never recommended except for infants, when you do it
   (forcefully... our instructor said this is the only time she ever
   recommends causing a child pain) while the child is face down and
   angled downward; a few other posters have described the position.
   This can be alternated with chest thrusts (you just turn the infant
   over onto your other arm) and then looking for a visible
   obstruction to fish out.  The claim was that back thrusts more
   often do harm than good, since if they actaully do loosen the
   obstruction, it's likely to just fall further down.  Shooting hands
   up into the air was unrecommended for the same reason.

As other posters have indicated, the best way to be prepared for this
is to take the course, where you get hands-on practice.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: duplicate baby blankets
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:12:48 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
> has anyone out there been able to decide on their
>childs lovey??

A qualified yes.  Brad has four loveys.  I decided one of them. His
best lovey is his blankey.  However, it is one that was my husband's
as a child (my MIL saves EVERYTHING!), that my Mom sewed a new binding
on.  Besides being antique, I could never replace it.  So his blankey
IS NOT allowed out of the house.  (Too much wear and tear that it just
can't take).  I decided his stuffed Pooh bear would be his away from
home lovey.  I did this by always taking it along when he went anywhere
where I would leave him (daycare, Grandma's house) as his one constant
familiar object, and it worked.  As an aside, I have two Pooh bears
that I have occasionally swapped, and Brad has never noticed or cared
about the difference.  In fact, he offered his Pooh bear to Carrie if
I would get him the BIG Pooh bear from the Disney store!

Brad's other two loveys are his thumb (hard to go anywhere without it!)
and my hair!  He loves to suck his thumb and stroke my hair.  He tries
to do the same with other people's hair when he is tired, but it just
isn't the same.  He has even started stroking Carrie's hair when he
is laying next to her.

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2 years, and Carrie, 2 months
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mary@anasazi.com (Mary Curtis)
Subject: Re: Baby Monitor recommendations
Organization: Anasazi Inc, Phoenix AZ USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:24:22 GMT


We have the Fisher Price monitor and it's a hand-me-down from my sister
in-law.  The monitor has been through her two children and now our son for
the past 17 months.  Our son loves pulling the monitors (base and receiver)
off of the table or wherever they're at (He LOVES telephones and I think
the antenna on the monitor reminds him of the cordless phone because he
"talks" into the monitor).

Well reagarding quality, I just want to say that we don't have a single
gripe.  The sound is still good after years of use (and abuse) as opposed 
to some of the other postings I've read.  Just thought I'd offer another
viewpoint to the woman wondering which monitor to keep.
From: ctopp@cup.portal.com (Carol F Topp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pregnancy Test Kits
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:29:59 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <2820077@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com>

In general, when you go to the doctor's for a pregnancy test these
days, they use tests that are identical to the home tests. I expect
they are less over packaged, but lab stuff does have that general
problem. The group of ob's I go to don't make a first pregnancy
appointment until about 9 or 10 weeks from LMP and by that time
the uterus is large enough to feel a difference and a heart beat is
often audible so they generally don't perform pregnacy tests at all.

This all made sense to me, but for my first pregnacy I told my mom
I was pregnant when I was around 9 weeks and my first appointment
was delayed until about 11 weeks because of travel obligations. My
mom had a hard time trusting me that I was pregnant before I saw
the doctor. I knew I was pregnany several days before my period
was due because I felt like I had never felt before.

Carol
From: tbachman@hamline.edu (Toni Bachman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Individualized Learning Program
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:18:12 GMT
Organization: Hamline University, St. Paul, MN.

Hi:

Our school district is starting a new program this year that they call "The
Individualized Learning Program".  Basically, what is involved is that the
student and the parent sit down together and compile a list of goals, these
goals are to be, academic, social, bahavioral, mental, etc.  Evidently the
school district will receive more funding from the government for having
this plan in place.  The fall conferences are eliminated, a February "goal
reviewal" is scheduled.  On September 3rd (before school starts) the school
will have the open house and "Meet the Teacher" night - students will get
their fund raising kits, and parents will sign up for a goal setting
conference.  Prior to this, the school mails out the forms to fill out.

I have not received the forms from school yet, but I know of several goals
I would like to include for my kids.  So far, this whole system sounds kind
of impressive - then again, I have only received a small flyer on it so do
not know much.

My children are going to be in Kindergarten (his goal setting conference
occurs before he starts the first day) second grade, and fourth grade.  
They are all boys, Fredrick, Christopher, Norman III.  Fredrick will
probably be very good academically if the teachers can get him to stop talking
for a few minutes, Christopher is not so great (some of you may recall my
postings about him quite a while ago - he is ADD, Manic Depressive, has been
sexually and physically abused in the past by his natural mother, etc.)  But,
the school has been VERY good with him all along.  Norman is "lazy" but can
be coaxed into doing anything.  All three boys are very intelligent, they
probably know more than I even give them credit for.  I believe that someday
they will all be rich and famous or something (thats a mother for ya')

Anyway, my real question here is:

	1.  Does anyone have children that are in schools doing this?
	2.  How is it working?
	3.  Anyone have any "good" stories?
	4.  Anyone have any "bad" stories?
	5.  Anyone have any great ideas for goals that are appropriate
	    for the ages of the kids.
        6.  Anyone have anything on the pros and cons of this method of 
	    education?     
	    
e-mail:  tbachman@hamline.edu

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kvt@willow.mitre.org
Subject: Funny Things They Say (3 years)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:42:19 GMT

When my nephew was 3 years old he was very close to his
Aunt Mary and her boyfriend Barry and whenever these
two were mentioned by him he would refer to them
as Mary and Barry (always in that order).

We live in the Washington D.C. area and at that time
the mayor of D.C. had just been arested for use of 
Crack.  When the news flash came on about the arrest, 
Billy ran down the hall in tears screaming for his 
mom.  When she finally calmed him down and asked him
what was wrong he said "Mary and Barry has just been
arrested for drug use!" She tried to explain that
there was a man named Marion Barry who worked in DC
but I still don't know if it ever sunk in.