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From: GTSAI@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU (Grace Tsai)
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Subject: Printing ALA character set by XEROX
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:14:06 GMT
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I have worked some SAS programs to create reports that library required,
but it seems that the diacritic characters cant be printed on the
report correctly by the XEROX, e.g., the character which looks like
"u" but with two dots on the top (pronounced like ue, I guess). The
hex codes for this "ue" character in the NOTIS VSAM file are "28A4".
I checked the NOTIS character set in the I&O manual, "28" represents
the two dots (which is on the top of "u"), and "A4" represents the
"u".  But in the report, it shows into two characters, the first one
is blank, and the second one is "u".

I checked with the system programmer here, he said we need the ALA
fonts for the XEROX.  He asked me to check with NOTIS-L that if
anyone is doing this with a XEROX 8790,9790,4050,4090?

                                          Grace Tsai
                                          Programmer/Analyst
                                          SUNY-Stony Brook
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From:         "W.C. DIVENS" <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Patron ID Expiring before End of Loan Period

Bruce:

What I was referring to was in the TOM...where there are a list of
messages one might encounter upon reading the ID, one of which
alerts to the ID being outside the range of the loan period.  Now
while it is true that it never *specifically* indicated you will see
this with the RIDV flag in force, neither does it say that the message will
NOT show when the flag is working.  The documentation seems to
say that the message will print out whenever a conflict is encountered.
We took it to mean that when the RIDV flag is enabled, you would
get the message, but the system would not ask for a keyed due date,
rather it would just put the ID expiration date into the record.

Clearly this isn't the way it works, but the fact that so many
assumed the warning to be a standard feature gives a clue that there
may be some misleading terminology somewhere along the line.

No sense belaboring the point...but clear documentation is a real
help in matters of this sort.

Rusty
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From:         "Michael J. Stephens" <VB7R0007@SMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Location Based Catalogs
              2 Oct 1992 16:36:28 -0500 from <timothy@ASA.UGL.LIB.UMICH.EDU>

I am truely amazed that NSI would write the program so that the filter file
must be read each time a item is found.  Couldn't the pertinent filter
parameters be saved in a temporary memory location for the duration of the
search.  I learned a long time ago that memory is cheap and I/O is expensive
when it comes to execution times, both for batch and for online programs.
If Tim's explaination of how location based catalogs work is correct, then
they will not be implemented in production here until the design is fixed.
I expect that the reason it is not much utilized at the University of
Michigan is its poor response time.

Michael J. Stephens, Tech1
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Computer & Information Services  *  FAX:      (214) 692-3449
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:07:11 CDT
From:         Fred Gulden <LB.FHG@ISUMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      .260. and .300. in OPAC

Iowa State has indexed the 260 but not the 300.
People really like the 260 for searches like
  k=springer.260. and 1992.dt1.
or
  k=iowa state same press.260.
(which retrieves the evolving variants like Iowa State Press, Iowa State
College Press, and Iowa State University Press)

We have not indexed the 300, but it comes up for discussion every now and
then.  'Sound disc' may trigger another round ...

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From:         Carol.Falgiano@MVS.UDEL.EDU
Subject:      Executing CICS Commands from TSO
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   There was also a great deal of interest in one of the sessions I attended
on the ability to close VSAM files to a CICS session by running a job under
MVS.  Several of you asked for the JCL to do this.  On returning I spoke with
my Tech Services person and found out that the job is something he wrote in
SAS-C. He would be willing to share with anyone the code, with the caveat that
a SAS-C compiler is required and that program would have to be modified to use
the IBM SAS Compiler.  That said, if you are interested, contact Mike Porter
via Internet at MIKE.PORTER@MVS.UDEL.EDU.  The program actually logs onto a
a CICS session and issues commands to close, open, rename, etc. the files
defined to the CICS.

Carol Falgiano
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From:         timothy@ASA.UGL.LIB.UMICH.EDU
Subject:      Re: Stack variable processing fix
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              "STEFFERJ%VUCTRVAX.bitnet@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU" at Oct 13, 92 8:22 am

Ron Johnston reminded me, and I should remind all of you that the
fix to LPC102P that I posted yesterday applies only to 5.02 sites
with MDAS.

Timothy Prettyman
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From: bryan@WILEY.CSUSB.EDU
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Date: 15 Oct 92 16:47:00 GMT
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Phil,

I have to answer to the list because my mail system can't handle your
address. We were the KeyNotis beta site and have been using it for
about 2.5 years so I will try to answer your questions.

1. As far as what the public and staff sees, it is basically the same
as classic NOTIS, except we are unable to make some of the changes they
are. We can still make all the OPAC screen design changes.

2. I'm not a programmer but as far as I know its the same code. It runs
under VSE. We do not get the source code.

3. From what I see following this list, it is easier to maintain and
configure, although we cannot configure it to the extent NOTIS sites
can. As an example, when a new release comes out I here some of the
Notis sites agonizing over it. Sometimes for weeks. We get a set of tapes,
shut down for one afternoon, get a little phone assistance from Jerry
Specht, and the next day we are running the new release.

We have no programmer on the staff and our computer center programmers
are not involved with KeyNotis. I guess this is a big savings in labor
and salary.

4. We are not a large university and would have had a difficult time
getting a programmer position. Also we do not have departmental or branch
libraries, although I think KeyNotis could handle them. For us, a full
time programmer would have been too expensive for the benefit. If you
can live with "plain vanilla" Notis, you are probably better off with
KeyNotis.

We do have spend some time on console operations, tape handling and
problem solving, sometimes too much time. I do this with about 25%
of a circ staff members time as console operator. There is no other
systems staff.

I'll be glad to anser any other questions. My phone number is
714 880-5108. You can telnet in (I hope) at 139.182.200.5

Sorry for the typos, lousy editor compounded by a crummy typist.

Beverly Ryan
Systems Librarian, LIB1
Cal, State Univ, San Bernardino
bryan@wiley.csusb.edu
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Subject: Re: CICS STATUS: MACRO TO COMMAND LE
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:38:58 GMT
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              12 Oct 1992 16:28:00 EDT from
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On Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:28:00 EDT <Carol.Falgiano%MVS.UDEL.EDU@VM.TCS.Tulane.EDU>
>   Several people asked for information about the software package that allows
>for online editing of VSAM files.  Here is the promised information:
>
>   The package is called ISPF/VSAM Utility and it is marketed by
>                MacKinney Systems
>                2740 S Glenstone, Suite 103
>                Springfield, MO
>                (417) 882-8012
>
There was an excelent presentation in session 66 for accomplishing this
task presented by Douglas Sinnott, University of Toledo.  There is a
program called CEDI that is part of CICS.  This allows you to type in CICS
commands and have them acted on interactively.  You can issue the approiate
read, display the record on your screen in hex or char, make the change and
then issue the write.  Both will shoot you in the foot quick and easy.

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:20:00 EST
From:         "W.C. DIVENS" <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Patron ID Expiring before End of Loan Period

But Tom,

As I read the older 4.6 documentation there were implicit clues
that the system would FIRST alert to the fact that the patron ID
was outside the normal due-date range.  The early versions of the
TOM seem to give this impression.  Further, NOTIS recommends the inclusion
of the RIDV flag.

This seems to be a case where the thing was dead for so long, workflow
and training were adjusted to compensate, then it suddenly appears.

REminds me of the early ejection seats in fighters...they never worked
as advertised, so much so that the guys used to push the eject buttons
just to hear the fizzle of the ejection mechanism.  Then one day they
got the problem fixed and the first guy that tickled the switch got
blown right thru the canopy...spent the rest of his life trying to
find his way out of Cape Girardeau back to Scott AFB.  He was in a
'Rush' to get back and report that 'voila' it works as advertised!
Of course it cost the USAF a brandy new fighter....

This begs the question of 'enhancements'...  how long does an advertised
feature lay dormant before it gets re-considered as an enhancement?
The RIDV flag is an excellent example.  After lurking there for 4 years,
it now emerges and works...but should this happen with no feedback?

Rusty
From: GTSAI@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU (Grace Tsai)
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Subject: Re: Printing ALA character sets by XEROX
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:03:11 GMT
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I didnt explain clearly of my question in the last message.

We need to install the ALA character set to the XEROX so the
diacritics characters (e.g., the British pound sign, or the two dots
on the top of "u") can be printed.  Also, we need to write a program
so the XEROX can recognize if the diacritics character and the following
character should be printed into the same space or not, e.g., the "ue"
character ( "u" with two dots on the top of it ), the two dots and the
"u" should be printed into the same space on the paper report.

Is anyone doing this with a XEROX 8790,9790,4050,4090?
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Subject: 5.2 Circulation Rewrite
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:55:35 GMT
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The Circ SIG has its three-member Rewrite Oversight committee
as has been previously posted.  We are interested in comments,
recommendations, etc. from the entire NOTIS community so please
send your contributions to Bruce, Tom, or Ed.  I will be glad to
hear from any of you, as well.

Gayle Grantham, Circ SIG Chair

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:36:55 EST
From:         Alan Alexander-Manifold <ALANAM@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject: CHAT: Toast to Leigh and Michael

Here is the toast to Leigh Williams and Michael Stephens that I gave at
the 1992 Bum Steer Roast.


A Toast to Leigh and Michael
Alan Alexander-Manifold,  10/9/1992


Back when Northwestern first began to write the NOTIS code,
They never could have guessed the harvest from the seeds they sowed;
With tedious slowness, line by line, the system took its shape,
Till slowly, then more quickly, the news started to escape;
First one, then others joined the sites where NOTIS tapes had gone,
And some gave back to NOTIS features they had added on.
A NOTIS company was formed, with Jane Burke at the helm,
And many institutions joined the growing NOTIS realm.
Now here we stand in '92, the story doesn't end
It merely gives us data to predict the coming trend:
The new releases keep on coming (and the fix tapes, too)
And add-on products hit the streets just months after they're due.
In other words, this NOTIS creature keeps moving along,
And we can all be thankful that we've joined the NOTIS throng.

Like NOTIS, Leigh and Michael's love did not come overnight
Like most of us with NOTIS, it was not love at first sight;
But NOTIS winds blow strongly, and they had their way with Leigh,
She mouthed off, so she had to chair the SIG on VSE;
And things were not much different for our poor friend Michael S.,
For he got stuck chairing the SIG that deals with MVS.
Michael and Leigh began to talk, and drink, and talk some more,
And ended up...well, I don't know, because they closed the door.
But now we can congratulate them at the Bum Steer Roast,
So please lift up your glasses as I offer them a toast:
To Leigh and Michael, may your love continue to increase,
But don't greet every new year with another new release!
Allow your marriage to grow strong and prosper without check;
Who knows, someday it might be purchased by Ameritech!

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From: pelak@PILOT.NJIN.NET (Irene Pelak)
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Subject: LB010/LB651 DISASTER
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:46:32 GMT
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I took Monday off as comp time for Saturday at NM and c came in this morning
to find  that on Saturday's run of thCirculation Batch Job the operator didn't
have the sortwork file open for the lb610070 step essentially resulting in the
patron, item and action index files not being updated.  The job (which on
Saturday includes the Circ History Update) was allowed to run to completion
and because they couldn't call me they ignored the instructions : DO NOT
RESTART-CALL IRENE.  They restored the patron, item and action index files and
refrom the top destroying all the intermediate files I save for jor just this
kind of problem.  How much trouble am I in?  What have I lost?  Is this a job
requiring LB968 type disaster recovery?  I guess I'm glad I went to that
workshop but if I hadn't been at NUGM at all this wouldn't have happened!  I
am getting to old for this!!
IRENE PELAK  TECH1  BERGEN COMMUNITY COLLEGE  201-447-9236
From: LBYSEC@LSUVM.BITNET (Nancy Pope)
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Subject: Re: NOTIS Customer Directory
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:12:08 GMT
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Ramona, when did you receive your new directory? Was it an individual
shipment, or with other documentation? We haven't received ours yet.

Nancy N. Pope                 Phone:    504/388-3215
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From: KIM@TAMVM1.BITNET (Kim Reverman)
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Subject: Re: OPAC searching problem? PPQ1663?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:19:06 GMT
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On Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:39:31 EDT Suzanna Lengyel said:
>We have encountered the problem described under Code Solutions in the
>September 1992 issue of NOTISes (p. 19):
>   "After getting the message 'INDEX HAS BEEN UPDATED, PLEASE RE-EXECUTE
>    SEARCH' in OPAC, and NOT re-executing the search, a TEMPORARY STORAGE
>    I/O ERROR in LPC100P occurs when scrolling forward to the end of the
>    original index list."  PTS Number: PPQ1663.
>    This problem is fixed in LMS 5.1 so that the I/O error does not occur."
>
>We are in 5.0.2., and this problem is happening to us.  ...

We are also getting this message or we get a very annoying ASRA abend.
When a user enters a search, gets a guide screen, selects a number, and
enters the "B" command.   Sometimes the user gets the above message and
other times the user gets an ASRA.

>
>Would anybody know if we can hope that this problem will disappear if we
>regenerate the MHI?

Our MHI is regenned weekly and I can still get the same error.

>Does anybody have a code fix that we might try to apply so that we don't have
>to wait until the implementation of 5.1?

No, but if you have received one I sure would like to have it.
I have installed the fix post earlier this year to fix the "back" command
but the problem still exists.

>
>Thank you for your help.
>Suzanna Lengyel.  Yale University Library Systems Office. (203) 432-1844

I have called NOTIS and was informed that it is fixed in 5.1
I would love to have the fixes.
---Kim Reverman
Texas A&M University
409-845-8309
kim@tamvm1.tamu.edu
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:37:00 CDT
From:         Edie Dixon <DIXON@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      PACLOAN / PROPAC

This is a question about what machine will run ProPac and PacLoan.  NSI, please
do jump in here if I've gotthis wrong.

Seems to me that it will take a 386 machine to run either ProPac or PacLoan.  If
we wanted to run both products on the same machine (not too off what we might
want I don't thinK) we would need a 486 machine.  Anyone else out there hear
anything different?  Have I got this right?  I'm trying to do some planning for
the future and what kind of machine and the money it will take to run these
products is really important.

Edie Dixon, LIB1
U of Wisconsin
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phone: 608-262-3525
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From:         Alan Alexander-Manifold <ALANAM@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject: CHAT: Confession poem

Here's another poem premiered at this year's Bum Steer Roast.  It can
(almost) be sung to the tune of "Lead On, O King Eternal", but if your
eternal soul is a concern to you, it is not recommended.


Confession
by Alan Alexander-Manifold, 10/9/1992

When I first came to NOTIS I was a skeptic, blind;
I thought that if I focussed the efforts of my mind
On automation problems they'd soon be overcome;
I look back now and shake my head--how could I be so dumb?

The NOTIS folks said calmly, "Conversion's what you need!"
Convert I did and now I am of the NOTIS creed;
I swoon when Pastor Jane Burke stands up and starts to preach,
And I accept on faith whatever dogma she might teach.

Within my office, row on row of NOTIS scripture stands,
You'll rarely find me without one or more in my hands,
And almost every day I call the office up on Church
To ask the monks and sisters to assist my spiritual search.

And when my interaction with the holy LMS
Has ended for the day I go home and must confess
I eat my bread and pour myself a large and potent brew,
And on my knees I thank the Lord . . . that none of this is true!


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