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From: jayson@tbag.tscs.com (Jayson Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: RE: A4000 Specs? Who Knows.
Date: 8 Sep 92 15:27:55 EST
Organization: Tampa Bay Amiga Group

 
On 4Sep1992 mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
 
>In article <1992Sep2> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>> I agree with some of Skip's comments, and not others. 8 PC slots?
>> What for? Get rid of the flicker fixer? Why? So people can complain
>> about interlaced displays again? I myself would like to see a
>> streamlined A4000 that saves some money by having NO ibmpc slots.
>> How many people use them? If you needed the capability, you can get
>> the one that uses PC slots. If not, you don't have to spend the money.
>
>The idea is to NOT get rid of the PC slots, but to make them USEABLE to
>plug in cheapo PC cards.  I agree with you that they are worthless as
>implemented now.
 
The  PC  slots  aren't  worthless.   It just costs too much to get a bridge
board to make use of them.
 
I, for one, would like to see two A4000's, one with and one without the IBM
slots.   Or  at  least  maybe  an  A4000  with  IBM slots and a scaled down
(cheaper)  A3000 type machine without IBM slots.  My guess is that the vast
majority  of A2000 and A3000 owners do not have a bridge board.  ($729 mail
order  for  a 386sx BB might be one reason why) Therefore most people would
be  better  off  with  the  availibilty  of  a cheaper machine that did not
include  the manufacturing cost of IBM slots.  Also, note all the 286 cards
for the A500 which has no slots to speak of (well one really).  These 286 &
386 cards could be made for all Amigas.
 
At  a  local  store  I  can buy a complete 386sx system with hard drive and
monitor  for  $699.  For ~$700 I'd certainly buy the complete system over a
bridg board  that  can't  even  emulate  VGA.  I don't really want a second
computer  but if I did, I would't go for a bridge board until there's a 386
version that breaks the $500 barrier.
 
 Jay Phillips Tampa FL
 Amiga 3000 25Mhz/105HD/10MB
 USENET: tbag!jayson@tscs.com

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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Questions on DIG/RTG?
Organization: James Cook Universityw
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 06:21:48 GMT

In article <Ieh0Wre00VpAA1B0Qz@andrew.cmu.edu> bo24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Berend Ozceri) writes:
>Hello there!
>
>Here are some questions that may sound silly to some of you, but anyway:
>
>1) What exactly is the DIG/RTG?

DIG = device independent graphics
RTG = retargetable graphics

With DIG you don't even have to know what device you are writing to
(printer/plotter/screen).  The Amiga already has a decent printer
interface so only RTG is needed.

>2) What are C='s plans on it?

They are working on it.  3.0 is moving much closer towards RTG.

Anybody else want to comment?  3.0 isn't under NDA now.

>-Berend

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.programmer
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Icon default tool paths (was Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:29:18 GMT

dnavas@oracle.uucp (David Navas) writes:
: [Please followup to the appropriate newsgroup!]

I think they're both appropriate, but I suppose.  Follow-Up set to .advocacy.

: All my gadget descriptions for the modules in the Web (available on some
: Fred Fish disk or other I think) are a bunch of arrays of data.  And that
: allows multi-column/multi-row buttons that look reasonable on the screen,
: 'cept that 640x200 users might prefer less default padding....  [Do yourself
: a favor and start the web as "web -i"]

But what if you need MORE than buttons?  In some of my stuff, I'm
using nearly everything in there.  I need to make room for listviews,
scrollers, etc.

And I need to be able to group things together, by function.  For
instance, I've got a listview-slider-number thingamajobby that I have
in one corner, a row of buttons on the left, a listview above, etc...

It's complex.  And it looks confusing unless it's grouped properly by
function.  How does one do it well?  One doesn't, unfortunately.  Not
any way that I've found.

I'm trying to write a decent frontend for a custom SPICE.  That's not
working well EITHER.  I'm getting annoyed.  But I'm STILL trying.
Right now, hardwiring is the answer.  There's no reason I should spend
more time on the GUI than I should on the code.

: Sorry, autoadjust?
: My layout code automatically resets the minimum width of the window.

Will it allow relative positioning of gadgets into groups?  That's
what I need MOST right now.

: No, this is an example where flexibility without adequate management is a
: dangerous idea.  If anything, the flexibility is -lacking- in the gadget
: code.  GadTools gadgets can't be singly removed, for crying out loud, and
: Boopsi gadgets have this nasty habit of running in the input.device....  At
: priority 20....  And while I'm at it -- there's no AbortASLRequester()
: call either, which is a pain.  Is there a legal kludge around that?

It's pretty bad, isn't it?  Not being able to remove GT gads singly is
bad.  Boopsi eating as much input.device as it does is bad.  And those
aren't the only problems.

Let's hope they go away, soon.

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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Critical mass getting bigger? - was re: AmigaWorld Lies about Links
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:38:12 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:

>Your typical PC game in '85 used CGA in 4 colours, ran on an 8088 at 8 MHz
                                                                     ^^^
                                                     make that 5Mhz, please :)
Software houses didn't recommend an 8Mhz machine util Vette and several
others came along.  (in 88? 89?)


>(maybe a NEC V20 if you had a fast machine), came on a single 360k floppy,
>and beeped through the internal speaker.  The Amiga had much the same capacity
>for games then as it does now - so, yeah, the PC was pretty lame.  C64 users
>used to laugh at it.

>In any case, the main games competition to the Amiga in '85 was the Atari ST.


>-- 

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From: davereed@wam.umd.edu (Michael Robert Bromery)
Subject: Re: High Density drive for the Amiga???
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:20:57 GMT


   Well, there's a reason why alot of us don't read comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
   the big reason is that we read these groups to learn about new amiga stuff
  and more things about the hardware and software already out and comming for
 it. I am ABSOLUTELY SICK and tired of going through these newsgroups just to
 hear about OH IBM 
   is this and Atari ius that and can your amiga do that? And all the flames
    on this great machine from all sorts of people who have
    never used the thing. I absolutely hate comp.sys.amiga.advocacy now.
    It sucks rocks because it has been taken over by everybody except
   amiga owners who just come right along saying, your machine sucks.
  Don't they have anything better to do? I don't see a bunch of amihga
  owners going to comp.sys.ibmpc or something and flame them. What's the
   problem here? Do these guys just have an attitude problem or just want to
  be punks and fight against people who just want to use their system in
   peace. Geez! that's all I ask for. <sigh> By the way, anyone ready
   to talk about things you like to see in future software releases?
     Perhaps games and better yet. Just stuff you didn't like about the
  old ones that can be fixed. There are companies listening(hint. hint)
   and we would like to know. We have ideas, but we don't know
  everything..
              --- Michael Bromery.
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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Complete A4000/A600/A570 Press Release
Date: 15 Sep 92 07:27:48 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Keywords: AA, Display Modes

In article <1992Sep14.185738.23263@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>   What's worse is that the Alice chip can address 4M of chip RAM, but the 
>new systems can only use 2M of chip RAM because Commodore did not bother to
>update the Ramsey and Buster chips from the A3000 versions.

Give it up Marc! DaveH, hardware guru and A4000 co-designer-studmuffin has
already said that these statements are full of shit. Get a clue! You
know nothing of what you speak. I recomend you get over to C.S.A.Misc
and behold the flamage from DaveH in response to your mis-informed blathering.

Sheesh!
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who know
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:15:25 GMT

In article <35019@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.093539.27793@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>   The irony of the situation with replacing SCSI with IDE is that it probably
>>would have been cheaper (at least in the short run) to leave the SCSI subsystem
>>there instead of replacing it with a brand-new IDE interface.  Details to
>>follow in a week or so.
>
>Not bloody likely.  No matter how you slice it, a SCSI interface is going to 
>cost plenty more than an IDE interface.  The main point of IDE is that it should
>be approximately free.  Even cheap-ass Mac-like 8-bit PIO SCSI is going to run
>you $10 or so for the SCSI controller.  Certainly having both would cost more
>than just one, though the IDE cost may be lost in the noise.

   I'm talking about development costs, and not manufacturing costs.  I will
get into details in a few days, but what we have here is a case of something
that would have cost nothing to develop but more to manufacture (SCSI) versus
something that cost plenty to develop but much less to manufacture (IDE).  
Both development and manufacturing costs have to be considered, and in the
short term development costs have a greater influence on the list prices.

>IDE on the A600 makes perfect sense.  Not only do you not pay anything for it
>(cost is a very important element in any system these days, but particularly
>the low end machines), but virtually all the shrink drives that will fit in an
>A600 are IDE based, since they were originally designed for PC laptops, all of
>which use IDE.  There just isn't room inside an A600 for a full sized drive.

   Actually, I agree.  I have no opposition whatsoever to IDE in low-end
systems.  But putting IDE into high-end systems is a travesty beyond words.

>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"
>   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh      BIX: hazy
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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:44:16 GMT

Well, not to knock the PC's now-superior resolution and color count (Amiga
24-bit and EGS boards ignored...), but IMHO **ALL** pictures look blocky on
a VGA display. It's those damn square pixels. I like our ratio (whatever it
is ... I keep forgetting... 7:5???) better.

I am...
   -Frank Dana, known (718)-(212)-(516) over as Amiuser/Doc Ami!
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: aga in 500/2000/3000?
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:18:21 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <etam.716545454@sfu.ca> etam@fraser.sfu.ca (Edwin Tam) writes:
>
>Now the only fear I have in 'powering up' to the A4000 is that in
>another 2 or so years my $3500 machine is going to become orphaned,
>just like the A3000. 0

   The IBM-PC was orphaned by the IBM-XT.
   The IBM-XT was orphaned by the IBM-AT.
   The IBM-AT was orphaned by 386 clones.
   The 386 clones were orphaned by 486 clones.
   And 486 clones will be orphaned by the P5 clones.
   Get used to it. You bought a computer. 

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There seems to be some confusion about whether the AA chipset or 
"Pandora" as I have heard it described in France, will be compatible
with the A3000. This uncertainty is disturbing to people in the 
UK who bought these marvellous, vastly upgradable, machines. 

Commodore technical support in the UK simply said "no comment" when
I asked about this.

So what is the truth, will a 3000 be upgradable or not? The price
of 3000's has been halved in the UK making it impossible for me
to even consider selling the 3000 and buying something else. 

I'd like to know what is going on.
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From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: Here's one for ya....
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 06:11:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.172706.13835@microsoft.com> iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>Now, my question: What happens to A4000 owners when these new chips
>hit the market in new cool machines with zippy 24bit graphcis and 
>16bit 100Khz sound? Speculations anyone?

Nothing.  We can decide if we want to buy the A5000 (or whatever) if
we want to.  Again, by the description of the new high-end chipset,
there is no way it will be a plug-in replacement either.   But up until
then, I'll have the most powerful Amiga available, and I'll get lots of
enjoyment gloating about it for at least a year.  

>When the "highend, 4 chip set" and "low end 2 chip set" machines finally
>arrive I believe the A4000 and othere "AGA" owners will be in the same boat
>we A3000/A2000/A500/A600 owners are in now.

Yes, I do too.  I'll just buy a new machine again.   If you want to wait,
you can.  Personally I don't want to wait for some vapour chipset that
will probably be delayed (especially if it is 750k - 1 million trans.)
into 1994.  I want to see the end of ECS for good :-)

>/* IanK@Microsoft.com				*/

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From: Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Way to go Commodore! Yeah...right.
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Sep 92 10:48:37 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

In a message dated Sat 12 Sep 92 19:25, Iank@microsoft.com (ian Kennedy)
wrote:

 IK> Just who is going to develop software for the new AA chips?
 IK> Since none of the current machines can use them I see no reason to.
Just what i thought after reading closely over the announcements...

 IK> And what's the deal with the A600? And the A3000T/040? It makes
 IK> no sense at all! None! Two newly released machines that can't use
 IK> the new chips? Who's going to buy them? Especially the A600? And if
 IK> these machines (the A600...) do sell then why develop software for
 IK> the AA machines as there will what, maybe ten users out there with
 IK> A4000s?
I -HOPE- the 600 and 3000T were something left in the pipeline, and that
they have a low-level A[G?]A machine coming out RSN. Maybe just 030 based.
(And i hope it has a detatchable keyboard. I hate attatched keyboards, and
no way could afford a 4000.)

 IK> Commodores "strategy" evades me. I'm totally confused. Somebody send
 IK> over
 IK> the BLAZEMONGER Customer Service folks, I need to be put out of
 IK> my misery.

 IK> Ian "Huh? Say what?" Kennedy
 IK> -- 
 IK> /* IanK@Microsoft.com  */
 IK> /* The AA chips are here! Too bad they won't work in my A3000 */
 IK> /* Once again C= screws its entire user base. Way To Go! */
 IK> /* Now I konw how the A1000 owners felt. Oh well.  */
Yep. i upgraded from my A1000 (still have the kickstarts around, from 1.0
to 1.3) to a 2000 when it became apparant that that was just as cheap as
the "hack Fat Agnes in" kludges. i DIDN'T upgrade to a 3000 because i
didn't have the money. And i'll be staying with the 2000 until C= puts out
something i can AFFORD. Or until something better shows itself. (not mac,
not ibm, not amiga...)

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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Date: 05 Sep 92 03:19:53 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <187t3iINNk58@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) writes:

<Amiga user argues PC use interlace all the time>

>I think you're wrong on that one.  Standard VGA use 31.5 KHz horizontal
>syncing frequency and 60 Hz vertical non-interlaced refresh.  And I don't
>think EGA and CGA is interlaced either.

I though I'd inject here that IBMs vaunted XGA and 8514 cards are
interlaced video. How more official can you get? IBM uses interlaced video.

:) :) :) 

If one does not like interlace flicker on their Amiga then they can
get hardware to fix it. It's cheap and you can fix ANY amiga to solve the
interlaced video flicker "problem".
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:48:24 GMT

In article <18XTqB6w165w@bugend.edvina.se> ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans) writes:
>davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>
>> Here we have a problem - just what _is_ SVGA?  Anyone care to define it?
>
>SVGA is *not* a standard, but most people expect atleast 640x800-256 is 
>it's called SVGA.

He meant 640X480, btw.

I think only 'hard' standardization (ie, not simply supporting it) it through
MS Windows.  But I suppose that might be a product of MS Windows being a
standard.
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From: 2ftqkiln@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: WOC - A4000 - sunga rattef
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:18:21 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <18qt50INNlla@phakt.usc.edu>, dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
> 
> Well, I'm sure the net is going to bombarded with similar messages
> describing the new A4000, but what the hell! :)
> 
> 25mhz 040 (processor module)
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cool!
> 2 megs chip (max)
> up to 16 megs fast on MB w/simms
                           ^^^^^
excellent, are the simms easy to reach or would have have to still take
it alll apart to reach them like i have to take apart my 3000 ;(
> os 3.0 (on hard drive I believe)
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
does this mean ROMs aren't out yet like what happened to the 3000
or are they shelving the ROM idea altogether? Software upgrades to
the OS would be a lot easier and cheaper than new ROMs at every
upgrade point:)

> 4 zorro 3's 3 AT slots
> IDE HD interface  (Boo!)
> same sound        (Hiss!:)
> same resolutions as ECS

> 256,000 colors from 16.8 million 
  ^^^^^^^
isn't this right? or should it read 256 colors?

> Don't quite know what it means, but 'Hardware Scan Doubling' (flicker fixer?)
> 
> The A4000 config sheet list the following machine:
> A4000 040/120
> 6 megs ram
> 3.5" 1.76 meg high density floppy
> 120 meg IDE HD
> 94 key keyboard
> 2 button mouse
> AmigaDOS 3.0
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Whats different in 3.0 from 2.04 other than the AA support?

> 
> I'm surprisingly depressed, considering it is a pretty nice machine. I
> guess I wanted a sound upgrade(DSP), and SCSI. Otherwise it is right
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Would have been nice but at least we have an 040, AA chipset, HD floppy,
and ADos 3.0 all at a 'reasonable' price. At least a lot more reasonable
than the A3000T.

> on target.
> 
> BTW, for those who doubted Sunga Rattef(I know, fatter agnus), the 
> mouse and keyboard ports are on the back left of the case, which is
> the size of the a3000, but shape of a2000.
> 
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From: rlcarr@animato.network23.com (Rich Carreiro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:32:47 EDT
Organization: The Other Side of Life

In article <1992Sep6.130703.5324@samba.oit.unc.edu> Frederick.Theilig@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Frederick Theilig) writes:
>      There are three dealers in Rhode Island that I know of.  80 miles
>  by 60 miles, population of one million.  There is also one in nearby
>  Mass.  Hows that fit in with the statistics?

Try 45 miles by 40.  With a total land area (remember the bay) of 1215mi^2.

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