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From: idfriedm@hertz.uwaterloo.ca (id friedman)
Subject: Re: Murder at Montreal's Concordia U
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 03:55:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.210810.5751@ccu.umanitoba.ca> feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld) writes:
>Two professors are dead, a secretary and two other professors are
>badly wounded, at the Engineering Faculty of Montreal's English
>language Concordia University.
>
>Canada's major newspapers report that the police have arrested a
>disgruntled engineering professor, who had earlier protested that he
>had been victimized by his colleaguse, who, he said, had plagiarized
>his work and denied him tenure.
>
>On the front page, _The Globe and Mail_, Canada's self-confessed
>"national" newspaper, announces that the arrested man is one  V.
>Fabrikant, whom they name a Russian Jew.
>-- 
>Michael Feld                         | E-mail:  <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
>Dept. of Philosophy                  | FAX:     (204) 261-0021
>University of Manitoba               | Voice:   (204) 474-9136
>Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada	                     


This group is soc.culture.jewish. What does a crazy guy in Concordia have
 to do with this newsgroup. He happens to be Jewish, that's all. It has
nothing to do with jewish culture.

The same thing goes for Woody and Mia. He's Jewish. But why is the debate
on jewish.culture?

Ishay 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>
Subject: temple mount
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <Seth Ness <ness@aecom.yu.edu>>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:52:16 GMT

does anyone know anything about tunnels/labyrinths etc under the temple mount
(har habayit)? i'm not talking about that tunnel that runs alongside the kotel
that everyone gets private tours of, but unopened stuff under the mosque area.
thanks

-- 
 Seth L. Ness                        Ness Gadol Hayah Sham          
 Ness@aecom.yu.edu                                                  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:08:28 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.170204.2446@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.135913.25999@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:
>|> In article <ALLEN.92Aug27081545@golem.ssc.gov> allen@ssc.gov writes:
>|> >Ah yes, the infinite depth of learning contained in our Torah.  And
>|> >where do we learn that HaShem takes `X' when He plays tic-tac-toe with
>|> >the Jewish people?  As it says: "HaShem O's leamoh ytein".
>|>   Not to mention tehillim 13:6 (psukei d'zimrah) "I will sing
>|>   to Hashem because there is a camel on top of me."
>You left out the first half of the riddle: "What pasuk should you recite when a
>camel sits on you?"
>And how about the proof that E.T. lives up in heaven?  Hashem indicated a 
>place to Moshe and said "Hinay Makom E.T." (here is the place of E.T.).
  Well, since you seem to be insecure about your status as a Jew and
  apparently need to prove it by correcting jokes[*], allow me to point out
  that the correct version of your bon mot is:
  "How do we know we are supposed to preach to aliens?"
  "Gadlu l'adoshem E.T. un'romimah shmo yachdav."

  [*] _The_ definitive test.
From: petrel@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:42:25 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


Stan Krieger writes:
> For newcomers to this group, I must re-post this.  WWII refugees that
> belong to the same synagogue as my parents can forgive somewhat the
> Germans because they were just following orders, but they cannot forgive
> the Poles, Lithuanians, and Hungarians who jumped on the bandwagon.

Thanks for generous thinking about newcomers to this group who could miss
your elegant solution to those seemingly messy ethical problems of guilt and
responsibility. However, before I start to preach your Word among
the unenlightened, please clarify my (minor) doubt. 
Who gave the Germans those orders they just followed?

Ah, yes... How stupid of me...
He was an Austrian!



> Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
> AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.



Faithfully yours
Piotr Trela
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: wedding on Saturday??
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:26:20 GMT

Anybody know why Israeli rabbis won't perform a marriage during the daytime?

Aryk Nusbacher
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ce157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric W. Mack)
Subject: Re: Supplemental v Day Schools
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 04:12:37 GMT


   I am beginning my 3rd year as director of a Conservative sup-
plementary school.  I am a Shomeret Mitzvot Conservative Jew who
would rather see my students in day school.  I have considered 
the question you have been discussing and am still not sure 
what is correct.  Sometimes I think that the best I can hope for
is to encourage my students to join USY or to go to Camp Ramah.
Or to eventually go to a day school, or to send their own kids to
day school.
   I did have at least 1 minor success last year: a parent re-
ported that her family had begun lighting Shabbat candles and
saying Kiddush.  I don't know how long it will last, but it's
a start.
Cheryl Birkner Mack.
-- 
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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Summary: How many millions were killed
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:23:07 GMT

In article <87072@netnews.upenn.edu> Krzysztof W. Kniaz writes:
>>I believe that 6 million Poles perished in WWII, around the same
>>number as Jews. Please tell me I'm wrong Sam.
>
>You're wrong: 6 million POLISH CITIZENS have been killed during the WWII,
>most of them were polish Jews.

Well, if you don't mean the number of Polish citizens killed by the
Germans, but the number of Polish citizens killed during WWII 
(it is far not the same!), then maybe you should look at the
total number of Polish citizens in 1939 and 1945.  They are
35 and 24 million, respectively.  You should not forget those
5 million killed or deported by Russians.

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My opinions are my opinions. Quite predictable.
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Michal~ Szleper                          "All you need is love, love,
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                      Love is all you need..."

Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:15380 soc.culture.polish:2359
From: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
Subject: Re: Auschvitz and $$$ & The Ontario Press Council
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:22:40 GMT
Reply-To: simon1@bass.bu.edu (Simon Streltsov)
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: Boston University

Let me get into Polish/Jewish discussiion ( I am Jewish
to avoid misunderstanding):

My understanding is, that almost the only [significant] 
body, which tried to give out information about murders
of Jews in Poland was Polish Government in Exile.
The story I heard, that one of the American Jewish Leaders
said [ to a Pole ?], who gave him the info :
" I CAN NOT beleive you". ( not that "I dont beleive you").

I am no scholar and would appeciate references pro and contra
this statement.

Please, don't flame me ( as if it can help (-:[).

Simon Streltsov			    	! Disclaimer :
PhD Student,				! I can not speak for the
Dept. of Manufacturing Engineering	! Engineering Dept, ONLY because
Boston University			! I claim to be a mathematician..
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Egg Creams
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:45:19 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Aug26.193225.11543@IDA.ORG> mnash@IDA.ORG (Mike Nash) writes:
>schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>: In article <1992Aug24.214009.23500@speedy.aero.org> nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:
>: 
>: Egg cream, shmegg cream.  You haven't lived until you've experienced Dr.
>: Brown's Celery Tonic.
>
>I believe there's a small but significant error in your post.  You wrote "lived"
>when you meant "died."
>
>How can anybody drink that stuff?

Easilly.  But you have to either get it in glass bottles or cans.  The
2-litre bottles go flat much too quickly.


-- 
   |)  David Charlap           "I don't even represent myself
  /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu   sometimes so NJIT is right out!.
 ((|,)
  ~|~  Hi! I am a .signature virus, copy me into your .signature file.
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From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: On Qadish
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:00:20 GMT

In article <goldberg.715550419@techunix.technion.ac.il> goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg) writes:
>2-About the Art Scroll Siddur, same question. Is there any reference to the
>Halachah which you quote? What is the source?
   It refers to Orach Chaim 132:2 and Mishna Brura Section 11.
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On Qadish
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:03:04 GMT
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology

I had replied directly to Michael, but in view of the follow up let me
briefly summarize.
It all starts with who is deisgnated for being the day's Shaliach Zibbur.
See this item in Shulchan Aruch, there are priority rules for a person
in his 30 days, a YahrZeit, the rest of the 11months, a native vs.s a
visitor. Needless to say the Shaliach zibbur must also be able to read and 
understand what he says, and be well accepted by the Zibbur (community).
Then, what happened  (HAPPENED, remote past) when people "in the street"
talked Aramaic and forgot some of their Hebrew? They substituted for a more
knowledgeable Shaliach Zibbur for such short a segment as the Qadish which 
they still understood.
And what if there were severalcandidates? Either select one (as quoted
in some German Mninyanim) or have them group together behind the main 
Shaliach Zibbur and recite together (as the Edoth HaMizrach do), to avoid
bad feelings.
One befoe the last step in degradation: recite it at low voice from one's
place.
Last step: pay somebody to recite it in your place....
At the same time, now Jews know even less Aramaic than Hebrew, so that
many believe that the Qadish has anythig to do with death.
What has to do with the dead person here is the education 
transmitted to the son, the wonderful Shaliach Zibbur.
Leider....
And what about daughters? Since they are not obliged to go pray 3 times
a day, they are advised to give charity. A plausible origin for the custom
of paying some poor person to say Qadish....

What really is beyond my understanding, is that some people fear to say
Qadish at its place in the prayer when there is no AVEL (mourner). What
is there i the text of the Qadish that a Jew would not RUSH to spell out,
rather than fear?

Yaaqov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Subject: Machine readable copy of Esther
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 05:55:38 GMT

Does anyone have a machine readable copy (Public domain) of the Book
of Esther? I am doing some research, and it would be quite helpful
if one is available.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Sincerely,
Hayim Hendeles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mkaplan@watson.ibm.com (Mathew Kaplan)
Subject: Re: Egg Creams (was Re: Proof of the Decline and Fall)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:53:08 GMT
Reply-To: mkaplan@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Aug26.153639.28152@umbc3.umbc.edu>, shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:
|> and asserting that egg creams can be made in the Diaspora.  Egg creams
|> are counted as "metsia's ha't'luyot ba'aretz" "geographically-bound
|> metsia's).  Once the Flatbush reforms are accepted, there is no end

Or, to put it another way, egg creams BOUGHT in golus are rightfully
"metsios haSh'fuh.os laAretz".  However I have had what I consider to be
good egg creams made at home.  While these may be substandard on the universal
standard (I can't be certain since I have never had an egg cream made in EE"C)
they are at least drinkable.  I believe that a number of minhagim have
developed to allow us, without endangering ourselves, to drink "egg creams"
even after the destruction of the candy stores and the loss of the
compounds with which they were supplied.

The particular custom prevalent in my family (Brooklyn/Galitzianer) is that
the seltzer is NOT STIRRED after the U-Bet has been poured into it.  Rather,
an up-and-down spoon motion is used, in the middle first, then
scraping the sides with a short movement along the bottom to the center
until a "mud soda" is created.  Then the milk (1/2 the quantity of seltzer
or less) is added.  Only then is a small amount of circular stirring performed
before drinking.

This technique has the effect of breaking-up the U-Bet and creating a
seltzer-syrup emulsion with minimal disruption to the seltzer, and good
foam production.  I've made due with club-soda and with cartridge-type home
seltzer makers, but clearly these aren't the real thing (the bottles aren't
dirty and chipped :-()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: A few questions
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:28:15 GMT

ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>As to jesus, Some christians believed he has no sexual organs at all,
>since they were useless for him. There was even a long bloody war
>about this theological question. So I don't think all christians agree
>that jesus was circumcised.
>Anyhow the big  jesus-idol in the entrance to the new barcelona
>cathedral ( the Gaudi cathedral) is deffenitely  a NON-CIRCUMCISED-IDOL.
>It seemed to me as a matter of course that that idol was approved by
>the bishop or some councill, so they either ignore or oppose the
>possibility that jesus was circumcised.

Interesting indeed: France, where I was born, is deeply Catholic. Until not so
long ago, all calendars showed a "saint" for every day of the year, or almost.
July 14 was (is still) Fete Nationale, etc.., while January 1st was "Circumci-
sion of ....". This is of course the reason for the big meal that day and the night
night before. The  contradiction is clear.  




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From: goldberg@techunix.technion.ac.il (Jacques Goldberg)
Subject: Re: A few questions
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:36:25 GMT

er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) writes:

>In article <92241.210100EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu>, <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>|>                             There are those who believe that if one does not
>|>follow their styles of worship (religiously, of course), then one shouldn't be
>|>considered a Jew.

>Please elaborate on which group of Jews believes this.  Note that Orthodox
>Judaism emphatically does NOT agree with this - it believes that every Jew,
>regardless of his/her actions or beliefs, is still a Jew.

As far as I remeber the quote, the word STILL is an addition, probably creeped
in at translation time.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: The Ba'al Hatanya and Saints
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 17:48:02 +0300

In: <2JDRPB1w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu>
murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu  brings some Tanya daily doses:

>     PART 1 of 3 - From SHIURIM  B'SEFER HATANYA  by Rabbi Wineberg.

In the first "dose" I found also the following:

>Epistle One
>
>In  their Approbation to  Tanya, (1)  the author'  sons write  that the
                                                    ^^^^
>discourses  and open  letters together  entitled Iggeret  HaKo-desh (2)
>("The Holy  Epistle"),  as  well as  the  further  discourses  entitled
>Kuntres Acharon  ("Later Pamphlet"),  were all "recorded  personally by
>[the  Alter Rebbe's]  own holy  hand in  his own  saintly expression...
>These discourses  are [collectively]  entitled Iggeret  HaKodesh, being
>mostly epistles  sent by his holy  eminence to teach the  people of G-d
>the way by which they should walk and the deed which they should do."
>
>Accordingly, the author's learned sons saw fit to publish them together
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>with the preceding sections of the Tanya.

For my  taste this use of  "holy hand" and "saintly  expression" sound
terribly Christian, but tastes differ.  I  just wish to ask if some of
the Habad experts on this net could confirm or deny the story that one
of the sons of the "Alter Rebbe" actually converted, at least for some
time  to Christianity,  and if  he did,  if that  son was  one of  the
editors of the above mentioned book.

Later I found this rather curious expression:

>                                                                    The
>conclusion  of the year's study  and the reallocation  of tractates are
>traditionally  celebrated on  Yud-Tes  Kislev, the  anniversary of  the
>Alter  Rebbe's liberation  from  imprisonment and  capital sentence  in
>Leningrad in 1798.

Connecting the Alter Rebbe with the less saintly Lenin in 1798?
                                                          ^^^^
Perhaps Lenin is preferred to *Saint* Peter?   :-)

Michael Shimshoni
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From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: wedding on Saturday??
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:56:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.131835.9225@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz) writes:

( re the question of why no marriage on Shabbat:)

>
>I would say that this explanation is due to being forbidden to
>change the status of an object from "forbidden" to "permitted" on
>shabbos or Yom Tov.  The analogy would be to "Beitzah Shenolda" (an
>egg that is laid) on Yom Tov or taking an animal that had not been
>set aside to be used on Yom Tov and slaughtering it to eat (on Yom
>Tov).  Similarly, since the food had been forbidden for use at the
>time Shabbos or Yom Tov began, one cannot change its status during
>Shabbos or Yom Tov.
>

The standard rationale for no marriage is, as others have already
indicated, the question of kinyan.  But I've always wondered about
that justification.  For example, yibum (levirate marriage) does not
involve a real kinyan, yet is not permitted on Shabbat.  And some
authorities hold that kiddushin for a widow in finalized only by
actual bi'ah, and forbid it on Shabbat.

It may well be that Hillel's suggestion is, in a "lomdische"
sense, correct;  the problem with weddings on Shabbat is a
permanent "status change."  (There are, or course, lots of other
practical impediments, like heating up the franks-in-blankets,
and borer [men and women going to opposite sides of the hall],
and how the bride can raise that perennial umbrella, etc. :-))




-- 
Eliot Shimoff                  |    n   n   n
   shimoff@umbc3.umbc.edu      |   X + Y = Z .  Easy to prove no solutions
Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu ...  |   for n greater than 2.  Darn.  Can't fit
Better luck next year!         |   it into this little .sig file.  Oh well.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: Lynda Mackey <mackey@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Conversion of a Child
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:22:03 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

I am seeking information on what some of the issues are regarding
conversion of a 13-year-old child to Judaism.

My son wants to convert, but as yet is not strongly knowledgeable
about Judaism.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Lynda
From: schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Egg Creams
Date: 25 Aug 1992 22:41:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug24.214009.23500@speedy.aero.org> nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel) writes:

>Egg creams are pretty much unknown outside the greater NY metropolitan area,
>though some of us have worked to remedy that. 

Egg cream, shmegg cream.  You haven't lived until you've experienced Dr.
Brown's Celery Tonic.

					Richard Schultz

P.S. Add me to the list of people who agree that 1/3 to 1/2 full is way too 
much milk for a proper Brooklyn-style egg cream.  No argument on the Fox's
U-Bet, though.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Subject: Re: Another Wedding (was Re: weddings on Saturday???)
Reply-To: ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff)
Organization: Technion IIT, Haifa Israel
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:55:48 GMT


In article <BtpH2t.I2p@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>, aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:
|>In article <2476@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
|>
|>>I suppose we'll start seeing wedding programmes here in Israel in a
|>>few years.  I've seen sheets of explanations of what is going on, but
|>>never a programme.  Do they look like Playbills?  Ads from, well after
|>
|>I have written a wedding programme intended to convey a real familiarity
|>with the event for thinking people who are not traditional Jews.  An uncle
|>of mine wants to use it for his daughter's wedding, but I thought I might
|>pass it around to interested wedding aficionadoes.  Anyone who wants a
|>review copy by wire (and who promises not to distribute it further) should
|>drop me some email.
|>
1) Warren, i am surprised at you! How many years have you been in this
business, and you still do NOT know what a program is?? What is wrong?
2) Now that Aryk has already written one version I guess that means that we all
need to pitch in and help with a new version. Perhaps either something in
COBOL? No, that would be too stilted. In C? No, nobody could read it. Oh well,
we will have to develop a new language for this. OK, something procedural like
FORTRAN, with list capabilities like LISPand access and readability like BASIC
(uggh!). How about:
Structured High-level Integrated Developmental User Conveyed languag? (SHIDUC)

3) With this language in plae we will need extensive help files, language and
country kits, and of course a legal advisor for a list of caveats.

Anyone want to start on the compiler? probably should be named:
High Access Structured Heirarchical Extensive Machine (Acronym left for the
weak of mind....


--
________________________________________________________________________
|            Ben Pashkoff                 BEN@VMSA.TECHNION.AC.IL      |
|                                                                      |
| "There is nothing better for the body than silence." Pirke Avot 1:17 |
|______________________________________________________________________|

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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Another Wedding (was Re: weddings on Saturday???)
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:41:27 GMT

In <1992Aug31.115548.17610@discus.technion.ac.il> ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff) writes:

>1) Warren, i am surprised at you! How many years have you been in this
>business, and you still do NOT know what a program is??

The only connection between programs and weddings that I know of is
that I used to run one at YU that punched out all the holes from punch
cards so I could throw the confetti at weddings.
-- 
/|/-\/-\       The entire ***		Jerusalem
 |__/__/_/     is a very strange hamantasch.
 |warren@      But the weeder
/ nysernet.org is concerned.
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