From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: two men (was: two women)
Date: 15 Oct 1992 03:56:35 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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In article <MUFFY.92Oct14160744@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
->In article <1bhebuINNjg@agate.berkeley.edu> rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
->>average hetman would picture this scenario (him and two persons of the
->>opposite gender) as a scenario where the other two persons exist to satisfy
->>him sexually (not to mention lesbians, and wouldn't we all just _love_ to
->>convert a lesbian? *groan*), whereas in the case of this woman, her motives
->>were something along the lines of "Oh, goody, I can please more than one man
->>at a time! :)."  
->
->Well, that may be the way your friend feels, but if *I* was in bed with
->two men (which is a fantasy of mine...actually, most of my fantasies
->involve *more* than two other people...*GRIN*), I would definitely
->expect *them* to be pleasing *me*.  Otherwise, why bother?

Oh, sure, of course ... This was a very particular case of one very
particular woman ... 

->I object to either of the two scenarios expressed above, both of which
->boil down to women pleasing men.  I prefer groups in which *everyone*

Well, I'm not sure what you mean by 'objecting,' since I doubt you'd picket
our bedroom ... But I don't particularly feel very comfortable with the
concept.  Of course, I don't particularly feel comfortable with the way she
views sex anyway, not to mention her interaction with men, both sexually and
not.  Bottom line is, I sort of agree ...

On the other hand, I can, at least intellectually, argue that there is
nothing wrong with women pleasing men, just as there is nothing wrong with
men pleasing women, as long as both sides know what they want, let the other
side know what they want, and get it.  

This is on a purely intellectual basis, and I do believe in it.
Emotionally, I have a very very strong problem with the concept of a woman
pleasing me, and so don't plan to try it any time soon ... 

I may be missing the political point here, but I suspect you may be applying
your standards of pleasure to other people's activities ... In other words,
you consider pleasure, within the context of the above scenario, to be
sexual pleasure.  In this case, she, in the most extreme scenario I can
think of, would get none.

I, personally, do not believe pleasure is confined to that level.  My
partner has never sexually pleased me.  The joy, the pleasure, the _intense_
<I'm looking for a word here, and I don't think it exists, which is a shame,
because it really should.  Basically, it translates to 'an emotion that
makes you want to meow' :)>, he's given me when he's made the noises he did
(heh heh :) ), and squirmed, and just generally let me know how what I was
doing affected him, are indescribable. 

Some of us are just slaves/butches(according to Iseult) at heart ... let us
have our fun, and we'll give you yours :)

-- 
Roy S. Rapoport        rsr@soda.berkeley.edu        bi-request@ocf.berkeley.edu
             Sick and perverted? Me? Why, _Thank you_! 
DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it ... but nobody else did."
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