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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: Flame! (Re: senna in indycars)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:07:20 GMT

nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos) writes:

>mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM wrote:
>>Senna in IndyCars.  I hope not!  His style of elitism and his
>>dangerous driving style should not be put up with - either in
>>IndyCars or F1.
>>Kent M. McClure
>>Auto racing afficionado and member of San
>>Jose IPMS chapter.
>>My views are what they are, like them or not.


>Well, since traffic in r.a.s. is much less than it was during the season, 
>I thought I'd start a (small) flame war between Mr. McClure and the rest of
>the world :-)

	I have now read this article about ten times, and cannot tell
if you seriously believe Kent McClure is in the wrong, or if you just
wanted to talk about netiquette. I would have e-mailed you, but thought
that this would be just as good.


>So, Kent M. McClure, what did you think you'd achieve by posting the above
>article in the newsgroup? You started a new topic, it wasn't even a reply
>to someone else's posting for God's sake! Were you trying to educate us about
>a deep Motorsport knowledge only you possess? Or do you think it is wise
>to just come out and say what you think in a forum like this, read by many
>people from very different cultures and countries?

	I would like to ask what you mean by, "Or do you think.... and say
what you think... different cultures and countries. It may not be "wise" to
say something derogatory about Senna, but I don't see anything wrong with
him stating his own opinion. Just because his comments will be read by many
people, all over the world, doesn't mean anything. Is the term "netiquette"
synonomous with "censorship"? If you don't like his comments, don't read
them. Don't talk about them, don't dream about, don't do anything with them.
You probably would include me in the group of ras readers/posters that need
a thorough course in "netiquette". I have, on many occasions, posted very
personal opinions, that conflict with other readers views. Should I just
read the news about Damon Hill signing with Williams, McLaren losing its
Honda engines, etc., and keep my opinions to myself? Please let me know if
I have violated any long-standing rules about proper net usage.
 	
TOBY...


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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:05:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.195153.18783@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>|>Damon Hill announcement (at least here) has garnered more
>|>discussion than the Mears' retirement announced last week.
>
>Welcome to the world motor sport perspective, as opposed to the US perspective.
>F1 is second only to World Cup Football as a worldwide spectator sport.
>In contrast, IndyCar is mainly of US interest only, and even in the US, it is
>a distant second to NASCAR.  "Rick who?" is the response you'll get in most
>of the world if you mention Mears's retirement, whereas just about every motor
>racing fan outside the US will know that Damon Hill is Graham Hill's son and
>the test driver for Williams.
>

Beinz' that we don't have results from the inter-
national poll on name familiarity, I can't argue
your points one way or another (but I'm guessing
you may be underestimating Mears' name in England,
South America, Japan and Australia).

Where I'm coming from is this:  I like to discuss
drivers in the context of what they have already     
accomplished in their driving careers, rather than
what they MAY be able to do in the future.  Thru
the years, there have been many "rising stars of
the future" who never did reach the goals expected
of them.  Granted, the Mears' announcement was a
last minute, unexpected deal which caught many, in-
cluding the media, off-guard for any immediate 
follow-up, but here it is almost a week later and
I have yet to see any generic, in-depth reporting
on the subject.

On another note, F1 may continue to be the specific
motorsport venue which draws the most number of
spectators internationally, but I believe in terms
of a series' overall "well-being", it's probably
lagging behind both NASCAR and Indycars.

bob
From: giants@wpi.WPI.EDU (J Scott Kearney)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 calenders
Date: 18 Dec 1992 16:10:43 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu


   Hi everyone,

	I have a general question.  A few days ago, someone posted the
address for RP Enterprises at.... for F1 calenders.
There was also a phone number, wwhich I called, but I only got an answering
machine that didn't state the company's name. 
Basically what I am asking is if it would be safe for me to send a check 
to the address for the calender + shipping without confirming this company's
existence. I guess I am also asking the original poster how I should  go about
ordering one, since I have no experience in ordering things through the mail.
i.e. do I mail to the attn of: someone...

Well, thank you to anyone who can solve my simple little problem.
Scott Kearney






     
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From: helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor)
Subject: Re: F1: Rover and Jordan was Re: Various threads.
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 12:50:20 GMT

In article <92353.134403GGN100@psuvm.psu.edu> You Know Who <GGN100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <1gsqfjINN8gh@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk>, mbahh@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk (A.H. Henry)
>says:
>>
>>In article <1992Dec18.081247.9240@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>
>>marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch
>>(Robert Marti) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec17.134756.6061@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
>>>(Andrew Henry) writes:
>>>
>>>Interesting.  Is Rover still a British Leyland company?  (Are Jaguar?)
>>>Or are one or more of these entities owned by the Japanese?  And wasn't
>>>the 1.5 litre Coventry Climax F1 engine a product of British Leyland?
>>
>>Triumph, Riley, Wolsley and Morris no longer exist as car marques.
>>I think they might still use the Austin name for minis and the like.
>>Jaguar is a separate company that was bought out by Ford a few years
>>ago.  I'm not sure about Land Rover - they might be a separate company.
>>They still use Rover switchgear, door handles and the like.
>>

The Minis are nowadays called Rover Mini, the Coopers are Rover Coopers, Land
Rover is still part of Rover, although they are based at a different site.

>Ahh yes, but the MG name still exists, Although sometimes in name only.
>Not really any different than the badge engineering that goes on in the US.
>But soon, the real thing should be out... Again!

Rover have had a MG Metro, MG Maestro. However on the Motorshow in Birmingham
(UK) in October they revealed the new MG. This is a real MG, it will be build
in the Cowley factory near Oxford. As far as I know it will be limited edition
only, but if they get enough orders they might put it in full-time production.

>>
>>I've never heard of the Coventry Climax engine being one of their
>>engines, but I'm no expert on that era.  It was designed as a portable
>>fire pump.
>>
>
>     At one point, the Healeys wanted to build a "super sprite"
>using the 1100cc version of the venerable pump engine. They were
>told never to use a outside engine and the plan was scrapped. This
>was in the early 60's, but I doubt that they ever bought the engine
>or else SOMEONE would have put it in a sports car (MG, AH, etc)
>
>>Rover has actively supported club motorsport in the years since the
>>Metro 6R4 group B rally car with several one make saloon car racing
>>series.  However, this would be their first foray into single seater
>>racing for a while.

They still are, they sponsor a lot of touringcar series in the UK (Mini 
Metro challenge, I think there is a Rover 200 challenge, they sponsor the
Mini Seven racing and the Mini Miglia racing).

>Hmmm... Wasn't BL and or Unipart a assoc. sponsor of Williams several
>years back when they bore Scandia Air colors?

I do remember having seen the Leyland badge on the green and white 
Williams at the time.

Helene.

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From: sgccgdc@citec.oz.au (Greg Clough)
Subject: Re: IndyCar .GIF's
Organization: CITEC
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:12:15 GMT

tim@deakin.OZ.AU (Tim Cook) writes:
: kyp@stsci.edu (Mark Kyprianou,PA386,x4193,ADD.2.6.92) writes:
: >
: > Isn't there an ftp site for F1 GIF's?  Maybe it could be expanded in
: > scope to include the Indy GIF's.
: >
: > Does anyone know the ftp site and directory?
: 
: The host you are probably thinking of is rana.cc.deakin.oz.au, which
: contains motorsport images in its "pub/F1/pics" directory.  The images
: I got from Robert Glover can be found in "pub/F1/pics/Glover".

I got a "hostname not found" when I tried this, but the address

                  128.184.1.4

appears to work fine.

Regards.  Greg Clough (E-Mail:  sgccgdc@citecuc.citec.oz.au)

P.S.  I think that it also has some Indy GIF's in there. (With names like
      rick_mears.gif & als_engine.gif I am hopeful...)
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From: jacquier@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Eric Jacquier )
Subject: French Grand Prix could come back
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:52:49 GMT

Well, the amendment to allow the Frecnh grand Prix has been accepted by
the (French) Senate. It's back at the Assemblee. Resolution will have
to be quick since the sesion ends on Sunday 12/20.
What the news (French radio) did not say was the exact content
of this amendment.
EJ
From: mbahh@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk (A.H. Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Motorsports Betting
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:45:44 GMT
Organization: Daresbury Lab., Warrington, U.K.
NNTP-Posting-Host: seqnet.dl.ac.uk

In article <9212181856.AA11708@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> indy@immacc.prepnet.com (Dave Tartaglia) writes:
>
>Does anyone know if it is possible to place bets on auto racing anywhere?
>Do any odds makers follow NASCAR, Indy or Formula One?

This might not be of much practical use to you, but ...

In the UK, Ladbrokes do prices on Formula One.
They won't have any prices for the '93 season
until Febuary or March.  I wouldn't be surprised 
if they start to cover Indycars next year if it
gets on national TV.

I got my money back with enough pure profit to buy
a whole pint of beer after betting 10 quid each way 
at 8/1 for Patrese to win this years F1 title.


			Andrew Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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From: motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta)
Subject: correction
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:56:44 GMT

Ooops! I wanted to say "oh well, we CAN'T have everything"

Nana
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From: ajrichar@casesupp1.Berkeley.EDU (Alvin J Richards)
Subject: D.Hill to drive for Williams next Season
Organization: Oracle UK
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:22:11 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

On Radio 4's 'Today' progamme, it was announced that D.Hill would be
the team mate for A.Prost for the next season with Williams. By all
accounts, Frank Williams was impressed with D.Hills times
during the testing at Estoril (see previous postings to this group).
Is Prost too afraid of any competition ?

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Madgwick Intl question
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:45:29 GMT

It was reported in NSSN this week that Jamie
Galles (son of Indycar owner Rick) has signed
to drive for British racing team Madgwick Int'l
in the '93 Firestone Indy Lights Championship.

The article reports that Madgwick has been one of
the leading teams in Britain and Europe over the
last few seasons, winning championships in FF1600,
FF2000, F3 and F3000 - and is now expanding to the
U.S.  The operation will be based in Albuquerque and
receive technical advice from Galles team engineers.

I've heard that several European and British-based
teams are interested in coming over to compete in
the IndyLights and this is the first specific team
I've heard mention of.  As the Lights are viewed as
a stepping stone to the Indy Heavies, can we surmise
more international teams looking towards the 1995-96
timeframe for IndyCars?

What can our British friends tell me about Madgwick?

bob

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From: mwp@iconix.oz.au (Michael Paddon)
Subject: Re: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 05:29:47 GMT

In <1992Dec15.195628.26984@news.ysu.edu> ah179@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Wilson) writes:
>Mears is an IndyCar driver.  He is in a three-waay tie for the 
>most Indianapolis 500 victories.  He has at least three IndyCar
>championships to his credit.  He was offered a seat with Brabham
>in the early eighties, but he decided to stay with what he loved
>most - the most competitive form of top-level open-wheel racing:
>American IndyCars.

IndyCars. What are they? Oh yeah, that's right, some national competition
with a token overseas event. Not international championship level at all.

:-)

                         Michael (waiting for the flames)
From: bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: AARWBA All-America Driver Nominees
Date: 16 Dec 92 04:30:04 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

In article <BzBttA.9Lw@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>The ballots are out for for AARWBA (American
>Auto Racing Writers and Broadcasters Assn)
>1992 Auto Racing All-America Team.  The
>nominees are:
>
>Open Wheel:  Michael Andretti, Emerson Fittipaldi,
>Scott Goodyear, Bobby Rahal, Danny Sullivan, Al
>Unser Jr.
>
>Stock Car:  Davey Allison, Bill Elliott, Harry Gant,
>Alan Kulwicki, Mark Martin, Kyle Petty
>
>Road Racing:  Jack Baldwin, Juan Manuel Fangio II,
>Paul Gentilozzi, Parker Johnstone, Steve Millen,
>Scott Sharp
>
>Drag Racing:  Joe Amato, Kenny Bernstein, Doug Herbert,
>Warren Johnson, Cory McClenathan, Cruz Pedregon
>
>Short Track:  Mike Eddy, Jeff Fuller, Junior Hanley,
>Steve Kinser, Bill Sedgwick, Robbie Stanley
>
>At Large:  Robert Amren, Irv Hoerr, Blaine Johnson,
>Rod Millen, Larry Ragland, Chris Smith
>
>My votes?  Rahal/Kulwicki/Johnstone/Pedregon/Kinser/Hoerr
>
>-bob-


I agree with you on all but the last one, At Large.  I have to give
my vote there for Rod Millen :>)...

-- 
Ben Bradley                 If you think it has to have a stick and ball to
Reed College                be a sport, get a life you scissor-billed geek.
Portland, OR                             --Gordon Scott
bradley@reed.edu                           Nov. 24, 1992; PitStop finale
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From: bob@circus.tv.tek.com (Bob Wakehouse)
Subject: Re: Distribution of messages in this list
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. TV Division
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:14:08 GMT

Ric Golen asks:

> Does everyone on the rec.autos.sport list get ALL of the postings
> or do we get postings in a random fashion. The reason I am asking
> is that since the original onslaught of "Mears Retirement"
> postings in the late part of last week, there have been one
> or two postings each day announcing the "newsflash" of
> Mears retirement.

In case your question wasn't rhetorical, let me be the first (at some
sites) to say, "Propogation Delays Are Very Real".

Ain't no guarantee that a submitted posting will get to a particular
machine within a particular time.  Sure ain't no guarantee someone will
read it soon after it arrives at a machine.

The nature of this newsgroup thing makes "newsbreak" attempts silly,
funny, annoying, or however one's perspective sees it.  But then, what
you gonna do?  Advise people to use judgment and restraint before posting?


Bob (I know I shouldn't have posted this, but...) Wakehouse
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From: David_McCullum@mindlink.bc.ca (David McCullum)
Subject: Re: Daytona 24Hours News
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:24:20 GMT

> Bob Kehoe writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <BzD7Av.Evq@ncube.com>
> Posted: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:28:0
>
> Org.  : nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
>
> A few early team drivers lineups for
> the Rolex 24 at Daytona, Jan 30-31:
>
> AAR (2 cars): #99 - FangioII, Andy Wallace
> and maybe David Loring.  #98 - PJ Jones,
> Rocky Moran and Mark Dismore
>
> Roush (2-3 cars): Tommy Kendall, Max Jones (?),
> Robbie Buhl, Jim Stevens, Michael Dingman and
> John Fergus
>
> Gunnar 966 - Dennis Aase, Chip Hanauer and... [stuff deleted]
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^

These guys will be impossible to beat.... as long as it absolutely POURS with
rain the whole time!


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From: esprit@netcom.com (Alan F. Perry)
Subject: Re: French GP struck off!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:38:12 GMT

In article <thos.724282827@suite.sw.oz.au> thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>In <1992Dec11.195313.1126@mala.bc.ca> epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) writes:
>
>>According to the news report I read, the FISA decision had nothing to
>>do with people blockading the highways.  The French race was dropped 
>>because a French court fined McClaren (I think) for displaying cigarette
>>advertising in the Australian Grand Prix, which was shown on French TV.
>
>Typical French ego-centrism.
>
>>The fear, I expect, is that before too long many of the teams will owe
>>massive fines in France, so that if they set foot on French soil, they
>>could be detained until they pay.
>
>How will this affect their travel within Europe? France is between 
>the UK and a number of places (but I suppose that only matters if
>they went home between races).

In order for the F1 teams to get to Monaco, they must travel through France
because the principality is surrounded by France, except for the coast, there
are not sufficient shipping facility in Monaco to unload the F1 cars from
ships (from what I remember) and the airport is in Nice, France.

I am surprised that more has not not been said about the possibility
that the Monaco GP will not go on either.

Normally the F1 teams drive to Spain and Portugal, but this requires driving
through France.  They still have the option of flying or shipping the cars 
and equipment in.

F1 teams that are based in France and are sponsored by tobacco companies
(what is the current status of Ligier?) are in trouble.

All the UK-based teams should have no problem getting to the rest of the
European races by crossing the channel to Belgium, which is what they
usually do anyway.

It is too bad that the French government had to do this after pouring
all that money into Magny Cours and the infrastructure of the surrounding
area.

While I hope the teams don't get jerked around by all this, I am kinda
enjoying seeing FISA get burned (at least partially) for not having a US GP.

-- 
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From: desouza@asmara.berkeley.edu (Paulo de Souza)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Calendar
Date: 15 Dec 1992 23:19:32 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: asmara.berkeley.edu


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		408 479-9752

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a local bookstore. It costs $11.95 + 3.50 shipping and handling.

I have no connections with the company above, but I strongly recommend
them since it is by far the best F1 calendar I seen.

Paulo de Souza
Mathematics Department
UC Berkeley
From: hansg@wswiop10.win.tue.nl (Hans v. Gageldonk)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Damon Hill is Williams No.2 (sic)
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:01:07 GMT
Reply-To: hansg@win.tue.nl

cnl@bnr.ca (Christopher Larmour) writes:

>Well, almost. Well informed rumour has it Damon Hill will be 
>confirmed as the in the Williams No.2 seat today (Monday 14th) 
>for the 1993 season to run alongside Alain Prost. 


Indeed this morning (December 14) BBC Breakfast News announced the deal. Today there would be an official statement, confirming the rumour. Has anybody heard about that?  
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
Originator: kevinh@arcturus
Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:39:51 GMT


In article <BzB8nx.4ty@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
|> Maybe for my Xmas present this damn machine will start
|> working again......
|> 
|> .....just curious about something.  Seems to me that the
|> Damon Hill announcement (at least here) has garnered more
|> discussion than the Mears' retirement announced last week.


Mears? Mears? Who's he?? Ohh - a NASCAR driver, that explains 
it. C'mon, this is an international forum, not some tin pot
old dinosaur racecar club :-).

|> -bob-  

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
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