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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:39:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Ioannis REKLEITIS <yiannis@BINKLEY.CS.MCGILL.CA>
From:         Ioannis REKLEITIS <yiannis@BINKLEY.CS.MCGILL.CA>
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              "irakliot@longs.lance.colostate.edu" at Nov 15, 92 11:06:16 pm

>
> # On Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:23:06 -0500
> # Ioannis REKLEITIS <yiannis@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> said:
>
> > 1>> Prin ligo kairo kapoios sunlistobios san ena apo ta kolpa
> > meiwshs tou antipalou eixe anaferei kai thn epishmansh
> > orthografikwn-grammatikwn-suntaktikwn lathwn kalo einai na
> > apantas se apopseis kai oxi se lathh ;-))
>
> An to "asfyxtiko" einai oruografiko lauos zhtw sygnwmh.
> Den eixa prouesh na meiwsw ton antipalo moy. An omws prokeitai
> gia eskemeno tropo grafhs, h erwthsh paramenei.
Den katalaba to eskemeno tropo grafhs, (genika me thn
orthografia den eixa kales sxeshs ;-)) )
>
> > Mhn ksexnas tous arithmous!. To na spazeis tis eksousies anamesa
> > se epikourous anaplhrwtes lektores prwtobathmious kai foithtes
> > einai
> > safws pio dhmokratiko apo to na tis exeis mono stous Abathmidas.
>
> A! Katalaba: otan h ejoysia sygkentrwnetai sta xeria mias meiochfias
> safws anwterhs plhuysmiakws, tote exoyme "spasimo" ths ejoysias. Ma
> me tis lejeis paizoyme?
Oxi Leonida den paizoume me tis lekseis einai an diabaseis pio
prosektika tha deis oti anaferw ousiastika oles tis bathmides
ths panepisthmiakhs koinothtas (an uparxoun kai alles na
prostethoun) Ws ek toutou loipon nomizw oti einai safws pio
dhmokratiko oi apofaseis na lambanontai apo organa sta opoia
metexoun oles oi bathmides kai oxi mono o prutaneis 'h duo treis
prwtobathmioi!!!

>
> > >
> > Leonida den perimeneis bebaia na apostomwseis tous pantes me
> > auto to aplo epixeirhma pou exei teleiwsei pro dekaetias ;-)
>
> Poio einai to aplo epixeirhma: (a) pws h xoynta edwse ta dwrean
> sygrammata 'h (b) pws kamia allh politismenh xwra den dinei tsampa
> biblia? Kai epipleon, anti oi "epanastates" foithtes na diekdikoyn
> dwrean sygrammata, giati den diekdikoyn bibliouhkes opws les parakatw:
>
> > Yparxei mia polu aplh apanthsh A) Anaptuksh bibliothhkwn.
> > B) Dhmiourgeia panepisthmiakou bibliopwleiou. G) Efarmoghs
> > kartas bibliwn pou o kathe foithths tha mporei na epileksei
> > anamesa se mia seira apo isaksia biblia kai malista na
> > upoxrewnete o kathighths na bazei themata ta opoia na mporoun na
> > apanththoun me gnwsh opoioudhpote apo autwn twn bibliwn.
>
> Loipon ta (a) kai (b) exoyn efarmostei me epityxia sto Pan Iwanninwn.
> Se plhroforw pws h bibliouhkh toy fysikoy emene pantote adeia. Toy-
> laxiston otan eimoyn egw ekei. Twra den jerw ti ginetai alla eyxaristws
> stoixhmatizw pws oi "epanastates" foithtes den exoyn idea poy peftei
> h bibliouhkh toy tmhmatos toys.
>
> Ta Iwannina exoyn panepisthmiako bibliopwleio poy poyla biblia me
> ekptwsh ws kai 50%. Kaneis den agorazei.
>
> Oso gia karta biblioy: nai, kalh idea, alla den eida kanenan apo
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> toys epanastates mas na th diekdikei. Ej'alloy gia na xrhsimopoihuei
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Ti na sou kanw an den diabazes ths protaseis tou dhmokratikou
  agwna ta teleutaia 15 xronia ;-)))))

> mia tetoia karta ua prepei o katoxos ths na dextei thn "entatikopoihsh"
> twn spoydwn. Pws ua pas alliws n'agoraseis biblia 4oy etoys otan den
> ua exeis perasei ta mauhmata toy 1oy?
>
H morfwsh gia sena einai panta euthugrammh den eixes afhsei
kanena mathhma gia to ptuxio?? Genika aporipteis ta metra pou
sou eipa giati les pws den tha ta dexthoun oi "epanastates"
foithtes parakatw omws tonizeis oti autoi einai mia meiopshfia
kai oloi oi alloi einai entaksh mhpws faskeis kai antifaskeis

Telika h eikona sou gia to panepisthmio einai oti uparxoun kamia
10ria "epanastates foithtes" pou kanoun tis baboures oi alloi
foithtes den sumfwnoun alla den kanoun ton kopo na pane mexri
thn suneleush na pshfhsoun Alla telika kai autoi oi alloi oi
kalloi foithtes einai kai autoi kakoi afou den endiaferwntai na
morfwthoun (kathws den pane sthn bibliothhkh kai den agorazoun
biblia)!!!!!

Ti na sou pw exw mia arketa diaforetikh eikona gia tous foithtes
sthn Ellada ;-)




> > Me autous tous treis polu aplous tropou kai sunexizetai h dwrean
> > dianomh bibliwn kai den uparxei problhma episthmonikothtas ;-))
> > Monomerh metra katargoume ta dwrean suggramata kai.......
> > kai.... kapote tha sas ftiaksoume kai bibliothikes!!! den
> > pernane
>
> Proswpika den blepw to logo na dapanhuoyn xrhmata se bibliouhkes akoma.
> Oxi mexri na sigoyreytoyme toylaxiston pws kamia bibliouhkh den ua ginei
> paranalwma pyros sta plaisia "dhmokratikwn diekdikhsewn".
>
Poia htan h teleutaia bibliothhkh pou kahke???
Des kai parapanw.

> > H ennoia tou panepisthmiakou asulou einai oti den mporei na
> > ginete pneumatikh dhmiourgeia me thn rabdo twn MAT sto diadromo.
> > H uperaspish tou asulou apenanti stous "kakous katalhpsies"
> > einai apo ta pio klasika epixeirhmata. Kai meta kai ta teleutaia
> > gegonota (agriws ksulodarmos foithtwn/triwn iatrikhs apo ta MAT)
> > thetw to polu aplo erwthma : Telika h monh lush antistashs einai
> > h tromokratia! Auto einai to mono pou sebete to kratos???
>
> H kota ekane to aygo 'h to aygo thn kota?
>
> Dhladh einai sa na moy les pws aney logoy kai aitias ta mat mpoykaroyn
> sta AEI kai arxizoyn stis sfaliares opoion broyn mprosta toys. Den eimaste
> kala.
>
> Kai entajei, pneymatikh dhmioyrgia me thn paroysia twn MAT den ginetai.
> Ginetai omws pneymatikh dhmioyrgia me thn paroysia twn katalhciwn? Oxi
> fysika. Ara exoyme kai pali parabiash toy Asyloy!
>
> > H logikh omws leei oti kanenas den kaiei to asulo-katafugeio
> > tou! kai den me peithei idiaitera  to apo mesa mphke se ena xwro
> > malista pou eixe diakoph h prosbash logw twn pollwn
> > dakrugonwn!!! apo polu nwritera.
>
> H logikh leei kai alla polla. Px leei pws kaneis den katalambanei
> th sxolh toy diekdikwntas kalyterh paideia thn stigmh poy tis energeies
> toy ypobaumizei thn paideia! Epishs h logikh leei pws otan 200 foithtes
> ueloyn na mpoyn kai na kanoyn mauhma, oi 10 den exoyn dikaiwma na toys
> empodisoyn. H logikh leei pws otan apodexomaste to panepisthmiako asylo
> ws uesmo poy prostateyei thn galhnh ths panepisthmiakhs koinothtas den
> prepei na to parabiazoyme kanontas katalhceis. An loipon apodexese th
> logikh tote ua prepei na katadikazeis tis katalhceis. Ektos an h logikh
> stis epanastaseis den einai ditimos (Aristoteleiakh) alla fuzzy opote
> pros ti h parapanw epiklhsh apo meroys soy sth logikh.

Ena kateuato pou se bohtha na parakampseis ta krisima zhthmata
1) Kaiei kaneis to asulo tou?
2) Otan akoma kai mia kathistikh diamarturia probokarete kai
   katalhgei se agrious ksulodarmous. Poios einai o
   endukneiomenos tropos antidrashs se kapoio kubernhtiko
   metro?

Prostheteis ena akoma zhthma thn thelhsh twn pollwn gia spoudes
enantia stous ligous katalhpsies.

Yparxoun duo periptwseis katalhpsewn:
1) Politikh katalhpsh enos xwrou san endeiksh antistashs se
kapoio metro. Px Polutexneio 73,85,90,91 se mia tetoia periptwsh
exei shmasia h topothethsh sou apenanti sto politiko gegonos.
Autes oi periptwseis omws einai oligarithmes.

2)Katalhpsh apo to foithtiko sullogo san morfh diamarturias.
  Edw einai to kuriws thema. Erwthma ena h "pleiopshfia" pou
  diafwnei giati den sumaitexei gia na leiksei h katalhpsh???
  Erwthma duo, poies morfes agwna epitrepontai sumfwna me thn
  dikia sou apopsh???

>
> > Telika uparxoun duo eleutheries fainete mono pou egw den
> > anagnwrizw ekeinh pou exei thn mesh diplwmenh kai thn glwssa sta
> > 5 metra ;-)
>
> An ap'oti fainetai apodexese dyo logikes, giati na mhn apodexese kai
> dyo eleyueries?
>
> > Prepei na ksereis to panepisthmio Iwanninwn einai apo ta pio
> > prodeutika logiko kapoia tetoia metra na pernwntai eukola opws
> > px kai sto oikonomiko athinas ;-) alla gia traba na to
> > koubentiaseis me ton Moulopoulo ths Iatrikhs ;-)
>
> Kai pali uelw na pisteyw pws einai dynaton mesa se politismena plaisia
> na exoyme uetika apotelesmata. Ejartatai apo to pWs ua ueseis to zhthma
> ston ... Moylopoylo. Ki edw poy ta leme, re Giannh, ua phgaines esy
> pote na se koitajei giatros poy phre to ptyxio toy me bash to megisto
> pososto apotyxias sto 5%? Den ua phgaines. Trellos eisai na pas?

Den mou les epi ths ousias tipota kai exw dei polles periptwseis
pou den uparxei logikh ;-))



>
> Leonidas
>
Yiannis