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From: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Wolfgang Ley)
Subject: Re: prolog
Organization: Rechenzentrum der TU CLAUSTHAL
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:51:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.130844.12824@bristol.ac.uk>
plcdib@bristol.ac.uk (C D I Bertram) writes:
 
>Can anyone recommend a good public domain or shareware
>implementation of Prolog for the ST?
>Chris Bertram <C.Bertram@bristol.ac.uk>
 
Try TOY-Prolog (very good). Get it from atari.archive or from
sun.rz.tu-clausthal.de (139.174.1.3) /pub/atari/language/prolog48.lzh
(or another:) /pub/atari/language/prolog68.lzh
  (Read the Index-file)
 
Bye,
  Wolfgang.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: selective accessories at boot
From: morris@divsun.unige.ch (mike morris)
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:45:40 +0200
Reply-To: morris@divsun.unige.ch
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland

In article 12311736@meena.cc.uregina.ca, selbyr@meena.cc.uregina.ca () writes:
>Is there some software out there that will allow me to select which,
>if any, of the memory resident programs and desk accessories I want
>loaded when booting the computer from the hard drive? If so, is it pd?
>Shareware? Where can it be obtained? Thanks.
>
>R.M. Selby


I am sure a lot of people will  answer this one; so I will put in a quick vote
for Superboot (v7.4, if I remember rightly),, before such mentions become
depasse. 
I have it running on both TT's and ST's - very solid.
Incidentally, on my TT, I cannot make it autorun GEM programs - is this me,
or are other people having the same problem?

Mike M..
From: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying?
Keywords: Up to you
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:26:42 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

In article <2523@ulysse.enst.fr> elendir@helios.enst.fr writes
regarding the Falcon:
>-> It'll run Spectre GCR I'm sure even if David Small has to hammer it into
>-> it so there's no problem with a software shortage...
>
> I guess it will. With the new 1.44 Mb drive, you have no need for GCR, 
>you can read MAC HD disks directly.

This maybe true or it maybe a rumour based around the fact that Macs with
HD disk drives can r/w DOS disks with suitable software. As far as I'm
aware, Atari's Ajax FDC is just a 1772 that can be clocked higher. Is there
anyone able to confirm or deny this?

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From: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Mac HD Disks
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:33:11 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland


It's true! A Mac High Density disk is formatted MFM just like PC and Atari
HD disks. I just tried reading a Mac HD disk using Norton Disk Editor on a
PC and although I couldn't fathom the file system the sectors were readable
and the filenames were there. This could mean good news for Spectre running
on Atari's with HD drives. No need for GCR. I don't see why we couldn't
end up with a 'Mac Mounter' for our machines. Maybe a MiNT loadable file
system too.

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From: baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: PERFPICH.TOS v1.1 posted to a.a
Date: 4 Sep 1992 16:07:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep03.202923.16021@convex.com> rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz) writes:
>we thank you for sharing your work. however, to get widest distribution,
>please don't post self extracting archives. people without ataris may
>want to look at it (ie read the documentation). use arc, zoo or lharc.

	Well, if STzip is anything like the IBM zip, the self-extraction 
arc should be able to be treated just like any other zip file - self-extraction
is not necessary, but is convienient.  In fact, it sounds like a port of the
code, so I wouldn't be surprised if the IBM/UNIX zip works just fine on it.

>-- 
>Bill Rosenkranz            |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra
>Convex Computer Corp.      |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com

-Mike


Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:13797 rec.audio:12530 sci.skeptic:16458
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,rec.audio,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: sampling and human hearing range (was Re: (none))
Date: 15 Sep 92 07:06:20 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In article <BuG1wq.85E@world.std.com> dmoran@world.std.com (david r moran) writes:
>This is all bullshit. What such people need (among other things) is
>to get an audiogram. First things first: what one can and cannot hear.
But perhaps these high frequencies have effects unrelated to the ears.
Not that I believe they do, but an audiogram doesn't test everything;
just as there are visceral effects at lower frequencies than the ears
can hear.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Subject: Re: AT-Speed and Windows 3.1? (2nd try)
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: world,local
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 19:35:22 GMT

In article <1119@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> anisko@usdtsg.UUCP () writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.233319.10304@athena.cs.uga.edu> kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) writes:
>>I thought Windows 3.1 required at least a '386 to run?  The AT-Speed C16
>>*IS* only a 16MHz '286, right?  Maybe that's the problem.  Only Windows
>>2.x will work on a '286, I believe.
>
>   Be careful on the numbering.  On a 286, Windows 3.0 AND BELOW will work
>(not just 2.x).  But I *think* Windows 3.1 is stuck to 386 and above.  Best
>place to ask this question would be in one of the "windows" newsgroups.
>Anyways, Windows 3.0 should work fine on a AT Speed C16...
>

If you replaced the number "286" in the above paragraph with
"8088/8086", then you would be correct.  Windows 3.1 will run on a
286, but not on an 8086 or below (it requires protected mode).  If you
have a 386, then I believe 3.1 will load a separate kernel that has
some 32-bit code in it and other enhancements.

Paul

-- 
Paul Secinaro
pss1@kepler.unh.edu
Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
From: dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward)
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:37:52 GMT

Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:



>So what are they really looking for? Another computer that will collect dust
>after a few months of use. Or are they looking around them and see no
>software that will take advantage of its new functions. Heck, if I see
>major names like Borland, Microsoft, Lotus Corp., and more I might consider
>it since it would have potential. Otherwise, another item for the local
>museum. Your DSP, SCSI-2, 45 trillion color modes are the same arguments
>that 16 year old kids make on Atari Corp. conference in North America called
>"AEO." 

Finally got tired of that place after you got kicked out, eh?

>Let me ask you something, are you posting from New Zealand where Atari
>support is 0, zilch, Null? If so, where do you get your software? Where
>do you get Atari books? Where do you go when something is wrong with your
>Atari computer? Would you care to explain?

We Atarians know the drawbacks of our platform.  Yet we still stick to it.
Must be something more to a platform than software availability, book
availability, and service availability, huh?

I'm curious; do you care at all about Atari computers?  It appears not.
Why, then, do you insist on forcing yourself upon us by any means
available; e.g., by posting in conferences such as this and AEO?

>Mark K.
>E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org

Dan Aylward
dud@u.washington.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience)
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying????
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:17:45 GMT

>dollar in order to have the rights to use IBM patents. Will MultiTOS become
>as nice as OS/2 2.0? NO, it will never be. The early beta versions of
>MultiTOS were slow, unreliable and unstable. Nothing much has really changed.
>IBM's OS/2 2.0 software devision employees 300 programmers while Atari has
>only 3 (maybe a few more, they don't like to give this information away ;-)).
>You can't say anything about OS/2 2.0 unless you sit down in front of a PC
>and see it do its wonders. Forget about other OSs, OS/2 will be the way of
>the future. Unless Unix Labs come up with their "Destiny OS", IBM is on the
>road of victory. So far I have heard some of the new MultiTOS options and
>they seemed to be borrowed from other GUIs.

Well, I've sat down and used OS/2 here in the lab, and, while it is, in some 
ways, better than Windows, my opinion of both the products is still very poor. 
I mean, OS/2 takes 30 MEGS of hard drive if you install everything, and that 
does not include the swap file! Go to an OS/2 machine, move the mouse and drag 
a window, feels about as fast as your 8mhz ST doesn't it? Amazing, it's running
on a 486 50mhz... Did you notice that when you dragged the window you 
(probably) had hard-drive access... just to move a window! At least, the 8 meg 
machine we use will often use the swap file for this simple thing. And talk 
about speed, I've seen Multi-Tos at work, and it was way-the-hell faster than 
OS/2 (and running on a 68000 at 16mhz, I know that supposedly it is not 
*supposed* to run on the 68000, but this version did!).

I don't know what it is, but operating systems like OS/2, that take *humerous* 
amounts of hard disk and ram, and *still* operate slowly, don't seem like the 
wave of the future to me... I thought System 7 on the Mac was a hog, compared 
to OS/2 it's, it's, well, it's sure more streamlined that OS/2!

OS/2 works no magic, it is huge and cumbersome and slow, just another case of 
the big guns trying to play catch up... and failing.

It does look neat though! And the multitasking is a far-cry better than 
windows, and and and...
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|-) -David Butler- dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

- who now has a shorter .sig file due to complaints...

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 / | \         that at least he won't take it seriously." - Jammer
From: IFF327@DJUKFA11.BITNET (Mueller-Pfeiffer, Stefan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ASV is too expensive (was Re: TT Unix ASV)
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:22:16 GMT
 <1992Sep10.053147.11164@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Organization: Forschungszentrum Juelich

Due to my opinion, the discussions about ASV go intop the wrong direction:
it's simply to expensive to upgrade a vanilla TT to ASV:
(All prices that follow are german ones - citizen of other countries
 might have different experiance):

You need for ASV:

(1) ASV - comes on a 300 MB Fujitsu HD and coasts in Germany according
    to the statement of an Atari employee DM 3900 + VAT (i.e. 4450 DM)
    ASV is _not_ available on diskettes or tape at present.

(2) a 19 " b/w monitor, if you want to have X-windows, coasts approx.
    DM 1700 in Germany.

(3) MORE RAM - you need at least 8 MB ( more is better ), coasts you
    500 DM for an empty third party TT-RAM module plus DM 50 / MB.
    So, for 8 MB TT-RAM you need additional DM 900.

(4) A (cheapo) TT - coasts DM 2000 (2MB ST-RAM, no TT-RAM, no HD,
    no MONITOR).

So, ASV in a working configuration coasts you approx DM 9000, the pure
upgrade will be around 6000 DM. (if you sell your PTC for DM 500 and your
Atari TT-RAM for additional 500 DM).


THAT IS FAR TOO MUCH. If you want to do UNIX for as little as possible
money, you'd better buy a second hand Sparcstation or SUN 3/60 or a
NeXTstation  or a fast PC and run linux (free) or one of the BSD-s
on it. Personally I have decided to sell my TT and buy a used SPARC instead.
This cut down the upgrade coasts from DM 6000 to DM 2500.

Additionally, nobody knows whether there will be available sometimes
UNIX drivers for tape drives, CD drives, trird party graphics cards and
so on.

The TT is a nice computer, but I would not recommand to run ASV on it.

Stefan

P.S. There have been NeXT stations for DM 6000 ....
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: Re: Free Commercial Software
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:00:41 GMT

avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl (Annius Groenink) writes:

>  Make commercial software very cheap (10 dollars or sth) and get
>funding from e.g. Pepsi. Surely on the Falcon it must be possible to
>have your word processor open with an impressive colourful flying
>bottle of 'Vidal Sassoon'? Sorry, I have to wash and go now.

Yeah, I kinda like the idea. But in order to maintain a certain conceptual
continuity (hello, any Zappa fans out there? :) I think the software and the
add should somehow be related.
So a N.Y.Times add to come with the word processor,
a dancing young lady, advertising colourful underwear for the
animation-package,
a small Madonna/Prince/.. video-clip for the sequencing software,
etc, etc. 
Any more ideas on this conceptual continuity?

OK, wasting bandwidth, I know... (what about the boring ST vs. Mac vs. PC
threads - can't someone stop *them*? Arrrgghh...)

Hendrik Jan

--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra                            hjv@phil.ruu.nl
Department of Philosophy              -------------------------------------
University of Utrecht                     All opinions expressed above
The Netherlands                               are pure coincidence
From: M.P.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Michael Wood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: code for playing 6 bit samples ?
Keywords: sample
Date: 14 Sep 92 07:39:01 GMT
Reply-To: M.P.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Michael Wood)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.


I am writing a 16 bit sample editor and want some way of previewing the
samples without midi dumping them to my sampler.

I have seen some code in the 'Midi and Sound Book for ST' that plays
6 bit samples. As I don't truely understand 68000 code or where certain
registers are - 
	Could someone please post/email some details ( pref in 'C' )
	or point me to a FAQ or something.

It does not look that hard its just that it has this Triple Load thingy.
Whats that ?

Thanks,
	Mike.
From: Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: How to 'become' an atari devleoper?
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 21:15:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Timothy Wilson asked about becoming an Atari developer:
 
Call Gail Bacani at Atari (408) 745-2568 and ask her...  she
won't laugh at you, and will be able to explain the various
options, costs and benefits..
 
BobR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: ZOO/ZIP/ARC/LZH
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:35:31 GMT

In article <1117@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> anisko@usdtsg.UUCP () writes:
>In article <8eck4=200awJAJJIFk@andrew.cmu.edu> sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier) writes:
>>You can use different weighting for the importance of speed 
>>compared to size ! Of course, LHarc is the worse if time is important
>>as it always uses a slow but quite efficient algo.
>>If size is more important, on the other hand, it will be 2nd !
>
>   At least to me, compression is the important thing.  It may take a
>-little- longer to compress or decompress a file, but when you are
>downloading it long distance or off one of the services (like GEnie) then
>the compression saves you some money (particularly over the long run).

By and large, compression IS the important thing.  How often do you
compress/decompress any given archive?  Not ALL that often, I'd
expect.  If you actually USE a program enough times to make it worth
downloading, it's certainly going to be enough times to obscure the
extra 10 seconds it might take to decompress the archive.

And when MANY users are using a given archive, it's better to have it
shorter rather than longer.  People may be paying money for each K
downloaded, or they may be using a slow line to transmit data, and in
these cases, the inferior size would outweigh any savings in time from
a faster decompress...

You might save 20 seconds, and the size might degrade by 60K on a
large archive.

But guess what?  At 2400 baud, it takes 2-3 minutes to download that
extra 60K.  Hmmmm...  The net effect looks like a LOSS of 2 minutes to
me...

Plus, you may wind up PAYING for that extra 60K.  Save 20 seconds, but
pay $3 for it.  Your time would have to be worth $540 per hour in
order to save money this way...

In short, the higher the compression, the better.  If it costs SOME
time, so be it.  It's probably worth it...

-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: oyakea@rs6212.ecs.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake)
Subject: Re:Falcon + Specs
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:18:37 GMT

****************Falcon Specs*******************

Before beginning I would like to state I am by no means an authority on
Atari and it's line of machines, but only a user with a the usual Atari 
experiences.
The Falcon in Summary: Basically 680300 based machine,1-2-4-14meg ram configs,
Motorolla 56001 DSP, Digital Sampling, CD quality sound, 1040 STe style case,
SCSI II, Lan, NO VME,and all other STE features. As reported by Atari Advantageit has no external floppy port, on this issue I let you pass judgement.
The price (rumour) compares favourably to that of a Mac classic but it has more power than a Mac LCII (from specs that is). I dont think (my opinion) it is very high end. I also feel the hype and passing of judgement on the various aspects of this system are not neccessary as it is yet unreleased. If the above specs are true though it beats it's nearest competition in price/feature range. However  if users desire power, pray for an internally expandable falcon 040.
 The questions I must now raise are 1) will this machine be released b/4 Xmas.
 2) How will Atari market it ( I  hear Atari Canada just closed out ??!!)
 3) Will we seee this on T.v. ?
 4) How does atari view third party expansion e.g. graphics, accelerators, etc.

  Some you guys in cyberspace may blast me for saying this (especially those
amiga advocacy fanatics) but Atari and Commodore may be left behind if they 
don't get their act together. I mean I would like to own a Falcon or an A3000
but what can a user do if he gets no support from his Computer company. The 
reality is there are many unhappy dealers, users and former users. If you want to find out about this just speak with some Atari dealers. The ones I spoke to
did not know much about some "released Atari products". I would have bought a  TT if the dealers I spoke to knew how to obtain TT unix, which I could have used on the campus net. Now I'm using an RS-6000 in the campus lab. 


GOOD-LUCK ATARIANS.

**********LONG LIVE UNIX*****************************
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Subject: Re: Buying a Falcon (was: Falcon Graphics)
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 15:09:07 GMT

In <1992Sep8.010908.3797@spcvxb.spc.edu> mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:

>In article <1992Sep08.005119.160610@rrz.uni-koeln.de>, aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim) writes:
>> In <1992Sep7.153742.21904@zooid.guild.org> Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:

>> I think 486/33MHz systems can be had for less than  DM  4,000.--,
>> including  a  monitor.  OS/2  or  any  other  OS  probably is not
>> included. But  when  it  comes  to  OS/2,  I  agree  that  it  is
>> comparable to MultiTOS, however, the software base of TOS is much
>> more powerful at the moment than the software base of OS/2

>> You can call the Atari managers whatever you want. What counts to
>> me  is  the computer, not the people running the corporation that
>> produce it. If it's good, why not buy from "clowns"?  If  someone
>> outrageously  exploits  people  or  the environment, that makes a
>> good reason not to buy from him at  all,  but  if  I  don't  like
>> someone I can still buy from him.

>This doesn't make sense.  If you think that a company is poorly
>run, then it follows that its bungling will leak into all of its
>activities.  The reason I never bought another Atari computer is
>not because I didn't like them, but because I had no confidence
>in the company producing it.  The Falcon could quite easily become
>the Osborne of tomorrow.

Why is Atari poorly run? I don't see how this can be  said  of  a
company who are about to release  a  pretty  nice  computer.  And
regarding  advertising  and  making  fuss about their products, I
agree this is important when marketing stuff like the  Lynx,  but
for  "real  computers" it's good practice to let the users make a
decision  based  upon  the  facts  instead  of  yelling   "Great!
Gorgeous! Fantastic!! BUY IT!!!" into their ear all the time.

Greetinx, Jan

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