From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Tired of Tai
Organization: The Great Beast 666
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:38:09 GMT

seghers@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (David Seghers) writes:
>>/ hpkslx:rec.org.mensa / sue@miracle.com /  8:39 am  Nov 16, 1992 /
>>What's going on here?
>>
>>I disappeared about 3 or 4 _months_ ago, being tired of all the fluff,
>>mostly regarding Scott Tai.  Now, I finally pick up this newsgroup
>>again, and find that you people are still squabbling over him!  Aren't
>>there more important, or at least more interesting, things to post about?
>>
>>- Sue -
>>P.S. - It isn't that I have anything against Scott Tai, but hasn't this
>>been going on long enough?
>>----------

>More than long enough.  Seeing the volume which "Tai" produces, he/she/it
>*is* the fluff.  I really think "Tai" is attempting a filibuster in order
>to drive others away from this group.   I'm just amazed at the number
>people who rise to it's BS.  It's just trying to get a rise - ignore it
>and it will haunt another group!
>
>(Actually, with it's demonstrated forgeries, "Tai" might be posting
>both sides.  A not too creative use of time!)

Tai has shown himself to me to be a human being, capable of responsiveness.
Don't know his circumstances, don't much about him, but in his own way he
*does* contribute here. You-all who want to write him off so easily, have
seized upon some attributes and ignored others. I have shown myself to be
a person of enormous variability, and the few of you who've assessed me as
a *whole* person, know that I am "responsive" - which is mostly all we want
from each other here.

I've spent a lot of time being antisocial here, and I see it's cost me a
great deal - numbers of people are either no longer interested, or are
afraid. Tell you what. The *first* person I'd attack, is the one who asks
for a person X to be excluded from the group - unless X is in fact evidently
without *any* redeeming features. As far as I'm concerned, I'm viable here
because despite my wretchedness in many or most posts, the intelligence
shows. Sometimes it takes a while to understand exactly in what way a person
X manifests their meaning. Tai did it in the statistical analysis thing,
by showing us (without being BLUNT, mind you) how we could see ourselves
arbitrarily judged by a "test" against what we think of ourselves - and thus
how unfair these tests can be, by discarding so much of what we are. Some
people understood this, but Tai got very little positive feedback - e.g.,
thanks, we understand.

The message of people who go out and mass-kill is: I exist; CARE ABOUT ME.
Throwing away someone for failing to meet your standards can very easily
happen to *you* too - so I think some suspense of judgement is ALWAYS in
order.

I assaulted Tai in so far as to put him on notice, by publishing the
"An-Tai Conspiracy Game", and - sorry, arrogant or unwarranted, it's my
belief that my evident willingness to accept him on his own terms, as
a potentially worthwhile human being, helped bring him out as much as he's
come - so if you-all know historically otherwise, then correct me, but I
think if you want to keep pounding the "dump Tai" crap, then you'll have me
saying to you - IS that how you'd want to be treated? And if you had a
difficult personality, would you rather have society reject you as a pariah
outright, or try to integrate you? Aren't we all creatures in search of love
and involvement with life? So - use Carnegie, and show Tai what you WANT,
rather than bashing him for his feeble attempts for attention. He and I both
respond to feedback - but quirky humans that we are, we find it convenient
to dismiss negative feedback, because it - somehow - seems that's just not
quite what we're really after.

When I suggest to Tai that he flame me and not others, it's because I see
that he wants to 'play' in a certain way that most other people here don't
understand and aren't interested in doing anyway. I enjoy it, so I bid him
use *me* for that, since I *will* respond. All I want, in some measure,
is an acknowledgement that I am in fact quite good at it - and that if he
needs for me to handicap myself, I will - no loss; I can't beat Fischer at
Chess; maybe someday I could. We're supposedly all here to help each other,
in my spiritual philosophy, so either HELP Tai, or leave him alone - but
I continue to point out - WHY? Why negate him, if otherwise you are not
interested in helping him socialize himself? Then all you are doing is what
I hate the "aggregate image of the Reactionary Right" for doing - oh, my,
here's someone doing something we don't understand and don't like, so let's
pass laws against it, kill the person, and deny them life energy. I'm glad
you're so magnanimous towards your fellow human beings - but I don't think
your approach contributes to human growth - if you get my drift.

Sorry - I'm being sarcastic. But how many of you have tried to solicit
anything positive from Tai? And *then* you sit back in judgement on him.
How easy to require other people to fulfill your needs - do you look at theirs?
Most of us would have to admit, no, we don't, not in any automatic way; we tend
to do it in *response* to positive inputs *to* us in *advance*. I'm getting
NO feedback for my many long posts lately, and I look at why that might be.
I personally have an agenda for all that I would write here, and my "message"
will take Months to unfold, because it *is* so complex and *I* am so finite.
I continue without Strokes because I know better not to expect them, for the
things I am saying - being in your faces so strongly, and refusing "your"
values - I keep saying, Meet Me, Meet Me, and few or none take up the challenge
to be REAL, in full public view - naked humans, AS WE ARE. I know for myself
how valuable my knowledge is - and I see how frail you are as receivers of it.
My apologies for being so rude - but I am *practicing* myself here - so, slack,
please. I have it, that I am not attacked by many people. Maybe, Mensans *are*
more tolerant. Who can tell. Silence means what *I choose it to mean*, in
answer to Postpischil, et. al. regarding voting - so I deem it that you are
afraid of me, or think me truly insane. You can deal with me as you choose,
but YOU shall not alter my opinion of myself - that has been my gift to myself
in the *last three months* of my 36-year life. When I say I know about the
structure of the human psyche in a way few people get to do, I am not blowing
hot air. So when I flame people with the "snake" - I *am* using my gift of
such knowledge. And it's out of that, and being a "closet Christian", that
I offer to you, to deal with Tai - to DEAL WITH HIM. Otherwise, your speaking
of him in third person, though he's right here to be talked to, shows *you*
up. Meet the challenge. What'll it cost you? He has a private mail ID, which
I have used to talk with him. My last two posts (leave Tai to me) were written
blazing drunk. He wrote me privately, and evidenced that his feelings were
hurt - and I apologized, for I don't want to hurt HUMANS - who behave like
HUMANS - and share themselves. I will be flaming Franklin pretty damn hard
in a subsequent post - because he has NEVER said a kind thing to me, so?
Why should I give a shit for his feelings, if he pretends I don't touch them.

We've been taught to be so insular and so defensive and so judgemental.
I personally reject a society which espouses such values, and tries to
punish people for reaching out to be human, and soft, and wet, like we were
meant to be. Humans are too complex and they always were, and there is no
religious philosophy in the West, which understands and endorses this.
Any philosophy which attempts to eliminate certain emotions, is false.

Show Tai yourself as a REAL HUMAN BEING - and I'll be VERY disappointed,
if he fails to MEET YOU THERE. So You and He are on notice now.