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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Reasons why Teresa, Laura and Maddy were killed (was re: 2nd viewing)
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:31:10 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <BtzCM0.G47@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>>Saw the movie for a second time last night.  Spoilers...


>     Anyway, I am not quite sure why Leland/BOB kills Teresa, but 
>     the blackmailing Leland angle is a good one... but why would
>     BOB care if Leland was being blackmailed?  It's no big deal to
>     him/it.  

It depends how much Teresa really knew about Leland/BOB.  She might have
just been blackmailing Leland about his sleeping around et cetera.  That
would be enough to make Leland want to kill her, especially if egged on
by BOB.  (It does seem interesting that BOB can only make people do things
that they already have some desire -- however repressed -- to do.  One of
the reasons for Leland killing Maddy certainly seemed to be him not wanting
her to leave.)

But do we really know it was LELAND she was blackmailing?

Teresa had the ring.  This meant that she too had contact with the Lodges.
Could it be that she knew about BOB being in Leland, and also that BOB was
overstepping some rule of the Lodge?  We know that there was some kind of
split between MIKE and BOB (maybe BOB was keeping all the pain and sorrow
for himself or something), and perhaps Teresa was going to turn BOB over
to some REALLY bad dudes in the Lodge.

Hence, the murder.  Hence, the letter under the fingernail.  Hence, the
entire sorry story gets started.

How's that?

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From: kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann)
Subject: Chuck Blair heads for the cornfields
Originator: kwh@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:41:59 GMT


Article: 10333 of alt.tv.twin-peaks
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Forget the movie!
Date: 23 Aug 91 17:01:28 GMT
Reply-To: bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Organization: UC Irvine Department of ICS

ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
>   Just my guess:  there won't be a TP movie.  The ratings, the cancellation
>of the show, and the traffic on this group all make it clear there just
>isn't enough interest to make it fly.  Too bad!

Prepare to eat crow.

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brett@ucippro.bitnet |  decentralization and self-help can arrest the
                     |  present tendency toward statism." - Aldous Huxley
From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake-up...)
Subject: Re: pilot video
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:44:52 GMT

In article <15150@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes...

} In article <1992Aug25.204434.7942@leland.Stanford.EDU> joelfire@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Firehammer) writes:

}} I'm new to this group, so don't chastise me if this has already been
}} discussed, but what's the deal with the new ending tacked on to the TP
}} pilot video? I feel a bit betrayed by the attempt to make it a complete
}} movie by adding ten minutes of tidying-up.

} The new ending was shot with the original movie in case the series wasn't
} picked up, so it could be released on video overseas.

Not quite. The expanded version of the pilot *was* released in certain
parts of Europe long before the series was ever broadcast there. In fact,
it was released there around the time that the first season episodes were
being first shown in the US (see magazine articles on the show from about
that time for proof).

}} Also, were some of the scenes switched around in the first half-hour
}} or so?  I seem to remember the scene w/ Grace Z. crying to be a bit
}} later, and much longer.

} No, the Grace Zabriskie scenes weren't changed -- the first one was always
} at the end of Act One, just before the first fade-down.  However, her
} final scene, where she sees the hand take the necklace, was completely
} replaced with new footage for the scene where she sees BOB.

The broadcast and video versions of the pilot are EXACTLY THE SAME for the
first ~95 minutes (yes, I've compared them). The footage of Sarah Plamer's
vision of someone digging up the necklace lasts for about 30 seconds, and
is the only footage in the broadcast version that is not in the video
version.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
From: 2609cowend@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM this and that. (movie SPOILERS)
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:10:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095FEAE.D2DC3820
Reply-To: 2609cowend@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

>I like actress playing Donna in the movie better.  She portrays
>innoscence better.  Donna in the series seemed like more of a bitch.
 
   I would have much preferred LFB over Moira.  You comment that she
seemed "more of a bitch", but that really only happened later in the
series -- she actually physically looked different in the latter part
of the series, bitchy and smoking, while in the pilot she looked
much more sweet and innocent than Moira.
 
   Moira and Sheryl seemed so...bland looking for Lynch women, 
compared with the trilogy of Boyle, Fenn and Amick that started
out the series.  The TV women had personalities, Moira and Sheryl
seemed to be caricatures of "good girl", "bad girl".  
 
>I like that the movie showed a lot of what went on with Laura even
>though most of it was implied in the series.  After watch two seasons
>of a series focused on Laura Palmer without ever seing very much of
>Laura, I thought it was good to balence it out.
 
   The thing is, so much of this was taken care of by reading the
Secret Diary, which covers so much of the what the movie was -- the
movie didn't shock or surprise me one bit because of the fact I 
had read almost the entire thing two years previously.  
 
   Anyway, the TV show wasn't about Laura.  It was about Coop and BOB.
I think I may actually had enjoyed FWWM if I _hadn't_ known anything
about Twin Peaks or the Secret Diary, though...
 
---------------------------------------
David Eschatfische -- 2609COWEND@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Beginning, middle . . . end?
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:29:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu

minor spoiler for tp:fwwm


okay what is symbolic of that dog....seemed to be similar to
"familiars" of devils, etc. a hound from hell, from which
is born the anti-christ. so, is it like the owls, another
form of the black lodge creatures?


sally---yes that picture had to be the best, and most freaky part of
the movie--a. wilson


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From: gcpahren@eos.ncsu.edu (GREGORY CHARLES PAHREN)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM - first impressions/audience reaction
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:53:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos

In article <1992Aug29.050621.7706@scubed.com> stevens@scubed.com (Jeff Stevens) writes:
>
>  Good movie overall.  A little weak at the beginning and the
>end, but excellent in the middle.

   I thought it was an excellent movie!!!!!  Best of the year.  One of the best
ever!!!!!  I agree the beginning was a little (and I stress little) weak, but 
necessary to give us some insight into the Theresa Banks situation.  Lynch's
directing was outstanding!!!  And the acting was very good, except for Moira 
Kelly who, although a Lara Flynn Boyle clone, just never gave me the impression
she was really Donna.

  The dream sequences and supernatural effects were incredibly eerie.  When
Laura gets the message from the old woman and the boy that "The man behind
the mask is under the fan". WOW!  Then she goes home to find BOB in her room.
That scared me s**tless.  Then her dream that night, and Annie shows up
telling her "The good Dale is in the lodge".  The whole movie I was in awe. 
   

>  The reaction of the audience was interesting.  

  Interesting is an understatement.  There were certain scenes in the lodge
and when Leland/BOB is attacking Laura that there was dead silence in the 
theater.  I mean DEAD silence.  No popcorn crunching, no seats rustling,
no whispers, and the theater I was in was full!!!  This was a very powerful 
movie.

   I just have one question (well, only one that I'm really concerned about).
When Bobby killed the drug dealer, Laura kept saying "You killed Mike, You 
killed Mike".  What did she mean?  The spirit MIKE was in the one-armed man,
and it certainly wasn't Bobby's friend Mike.  Anyone who could shed some
light on this one would certainly be appreciated.

>
>  Hope it does well enough for a sequel!
>

   As a general rule, I refuse to see sequels.  However, I am so hooked on
Twin Peaks, I would LOVE to see another movie.  Peaks is Lynch's best work
so far and I want more!!!  From what I can tell about Lynch, though, it 
won't matter how well it does for him to decide to make another or not.  I
mean if he went solely on the basis of TV ratings, this movie would never
have been made.  So I think that if he feels like doing another one, and
he can come up with some good ideas (which we all know he can), he will
make another. 

 
               "Fire, walk with me"
 
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From: sterling@crash.cts.com (Mike Sterling)
Subject: Re: The Native American meaning of corn
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:57:23 GMT

In <X5qHqB1w165w@ailanth.UUCP> tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:

>I saw a book today about Native Amercian symbolism. While it did not have 
>anything on owls, it did have a small section on corn. I can't remember 
>everything it said, but what sticks in my mind is that corn is a symbol 
>for earth, life, and more specifically, Mother Earth. This makes me think 
>that the inhabitants of the Black Lodge (aliens?) are consuming not only 
>the souls of humans, but the very essence of the planet itself! Perhaps 
>the battle between the two Lodges concerns not just a small area of one 
>state, but control over the entire planet. You could also connect this to 
>the ecological problems of we face today--it's all BOB's fault

It didn't have anything on Owls?  I'm amazed.  Owls are of tremndous
symbolic importance, especially in the NW.  As a quick rule of thumb,
Owls represent emotions and emotional events, and almost never in a
positive manner.  I'll look up some info I have at home regarding the
mythic interpretation of Owls in the NW Coast, but if I recall, owls
were feared.

Mike Sterling

PS:  If memory serves, according to one particular tribe (Kwaikuital?
Not Positive which) Owls were created from strong emotions of fear at
the time of death.  Hopefully I can find some of my old college textx
on the subject.  And I thought my Anthro classes would never be useful
:).
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Angels (was: Re: more on Gormonbozia (spoilers))
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:17:36 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep4.115353.7332@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.050141.4110@ttinews.tti.com>, lester@soldev.tti.com (jim) writes:
>>  One more thing: in Laura's Secret Diary, didn't she say Bobby shot a man

>She did. I remember reading it. so is this a) a continuity error, or b) did
>Bobby kill TWO people?

c) RETCON.  The diary, like Coop's autobiography (which said that Coop was
the one who found the letter under Teresa's finger) and the Access Guide
(which says that you can't get TV in Twin Peaks... guess fans of "Invitation
to Love" were hallucinating the whole time), aren't officially considered
accurate.  Remember, in the show itself, the excerpts from the diary that
they read weren't quite the same as in the book.

I guess the books have the same relationship to TV/movie TP as the Star Trek
novels do to the TV show.  Accept them if you want, but the producers feel
free to ignore them when convenient.
From: tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Tom Buzzeo)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: And now... my review...
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:32:53 GMT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I got the soundtrack yesterday night (finaly)... and I must say...
It is definatly good.. though I thinks it could use without "Black Dog 
Runs At Night". Fortuneatly, that's the shortest track on it :)
It doesn't matter that some of the stuff doesn't sound "Peakish". It's 
not supposed to... we are dealing with worlds other than our own here 
now...

 Dis claimer - not mine. :o) tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: bvickers@valentine.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Subject: This is who Jurgen Prochnow played
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Reply-To: bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 31 Aug 92 22:09:00 GMT

not really spoilers, but just in case

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
>My credit listing mentions that Juergen Prochnow plays "Second Woodsman",
>but I think he was only credited as "Woodsman".  Was there another
>Woodsman in the film?

As I mentioned earlier, Prochnow was one of the above-the-convenience-
store people during the Phillip Jeffries scenes.  He was sitting
beside Mrs. Tremond and her grandson, raising and lowering his
arm strangely.  He had long hair and a beard.  I think he was
wearing a sock-hat, but I'm not sure about that.

>And last but not least... did our old buddy Del Mibbler make the final
>cut?  Was that him crossing the street with the walker when the Palmers
>stopped behind the truck?

Didn't look like him.

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Brett J. Vickers (bvickers@ics.uci.edu)
From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: The Native American meaning of corn
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 22:42:08 EDT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

I saw a book today about Native Amercian symbolism. While it did not have 
anything on owls, it did have a small section on corn. I can't remember 
everything it said, but what sticks in my mind is that corn is a symbol 
for earth, life, and more specifically, Mother Earth. This makes me think 
that the inhabitants of the Black Lodge (aliens?) are consuming not only 
the souls of humans, but the very essence of the planet itself! Perhaps 
the battle between the two Lodges concerns not just a small area of one 
state, but control over the entire planet. You could also connect this to 
the ecological problems of we face today--it's all BOB's fault!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: perk@stud.cs.uit.no (Per-Ivar Knutsen)
Subject: TwinPeaks GIFs?
Keywords: GIF
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:22:24 GMT

Anyone that knows where to find/have lots of GIF pictures from the TwinPeaks 
series. Especially interested in the female acters (Sherilyn Fenn)...

Please R E P L Y sooooooon... (Waiting eagerly!)
From: salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM: MIKE and BOB (the spirits, not the students)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 09:49:28 EDT
Organization: UKP Systems, Middletown, NJ

-> The Mike at the traffic scene was the good Mike.  In the series,
-> Mike talks about cutting off his own arm to keep Bob out.
-> Notice how there is a common thread about the left arm. 
-> Anyway, in cutting off the left arm, Mike has permanently
-> anchored his good doppleganger in the TP world.
I could buy that. Did the "bad" Mike still have the arm? If this is the case 
it would explan how the LMFAP coud exist at the same time as the eavel mike! 

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From: bvickers@net3.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP:FWWM this and that. (movie SPOILERS)
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:10:42 GMT
Reply-To: bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.

zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) writes:
>I think that, especially given the popularity of the movie and series
>overseas, this is just the first of an ongoing series, like the Star Trek
>series. Unlike the Star Trek movies, however, I'd expect this series to
>jump around in time. I think we'll see more of the FBI agents, and see
>more of what happened after the end of the series.

I hope you're right.  But unless FWWM does better in the states, I
imagine it will be tough to get a U.S. distributor for the next flick
if one comes out.  $2-3 million for an opening weekend is pretty shoddy.

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Brett J. Vickers (bvickers@ics.uci.edu)
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Now we know who Mike is... (SPOILERS)
Date: 4 Sep 92 11:50:29 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <7scFqB3w164w@whitebase.ukp.com>, salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri) writes:
> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> 
>> I just realized something. The Little Man From Another Place is Mike.
>> 	Think about it: he "spoke" through the One Armed Man in the Lodge. I 
>> would therefor say that he is "possessing"  the OAM in the same way BOB
>> possesses Leland. We know the being possing the OAM is Mike. Therefore,
>> the LMFAP is probably MIKE. Neat, eh?
>> 	So, I guess the Canadian tourism industry is in for a boom after
>> that Pink Room scene ;-)
>> Later, 
>> Mike (no, not *that* Mike!)
> 
> Thay can't be the case because then coup would see mike as the lmfap in his 
> dreams, he doesn't he sees them seperately. 

BUt he also saw BoB and Leland seperately. I don't think he ever saw the OAM
in the Lodge, did he?

> Also if the LMFAP is the arm 
> that containes the tatoo and the eavel part of MIKE then he can't be Mike as 
> a hole. 

I think you might be confusing MIKE the spirit with Phillip Gerard, the man.

>I think that the seen in the convienence store with the "pain and 
> suffering was supposed to take place befor the rest of the film and before 
> mike cut his arm off and became good. Rembur in coops dream "We le it." Mike 
> lived in the store with bob BEFORE turning good. Does anyone rembur if he 
> had the arm in that sean.


I don't remember seeing the OAM in the room with the formica table at all. 
was he actuslly in the room?


Mike
From: bvickers@valentine.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Subject: Re: Continuity questions on FWWM vs. TV episodes  <Spoilers of sorts>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Reply-To: bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:15:12 GMT

jhbrown@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy H Brown) writes:
>   In FWWM: Laura didn't say Fire Walk With Me to James at any point onscreen,
>   although he claimed she did in the TV premier.

ingria@BBN.COM writes:
>She does say it, in a very odd voice and with her lips distorted in a
>way that suggested that BoB was taking over.

That was to Harold.  She was supposed to say it to James.

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From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Lodge wound...
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:55:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu

In article <1850k8INN7ah@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bp092@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Ogrinz) writes:
>
> 
>Anyone else mention yet that the wounds Cooper and Leland have
>while in the lodge seem identical? Perhaps a by-product of
>posession?
>
>
>-Mike


Weren't they also similar to Caroline's, and the transient's wounds.
The transient, the one found at the police station, bound and gagged
at the chess table, looked like Coop (wasn't the actor Kyle's brother),
and the transient also had the same surname as Caroline's maiden name.
Maybe the would is not so much a by product of possession, but similar
to a sacrificial wound.

After reading the Coop autobiography I also wondered if the murder
of Laura also was a lure to get Coop to TP for the conjunction of
Neptune and Saturn, which marked some occurence involving the two
Lodges...

Sally--


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And I'll see you in the branches that blow   ||    Spud   Peel
In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees    ||    sally@mica.berkeley.edu
Under the sycamore trees       (_Sycamore_Trees_  Lynch/Badalamenti)
From: speno@clam.rutgers.edu (John P. Speno)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Julee Cruise + her band are the "Owls in the Roadhouse"
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:36:12 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Julie Cruise has replaced Cindy Wilson in the B-52's.
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From: boylan@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Terran Boylan)
Subject: FWWM American Cinematographer Cover (Sep 92)
Organization: Engineering Animation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:45:55 GMT

Just got the issue today.  Haven't read the article yet.

Via con carne.

Terran J Boylan
Sr Artist/Programmer
Engineering Animation, Inc.
Ames, Iowa
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From: sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders)
Subject: TP syndication?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 04:24:43 GMT


Has anyone heard of any plans to put TP (the series) into syndication?
After seeing FWWM, I would very much like to see the episodes that I
missed (and fill in some plot-holes in my memory).
                                   Scott