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From:         Paul Gherman <GHERMAN@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals

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 Ann's point is well taken about how her behavior has changed and she no longer
 attempts to archive what she has read. I do think that the day will come when
 we will have WORM drives connected to our workstations as well as software
 which will allow us to index and make notes to those articles, chapters, etc.
 that are of importance to us. This does not obviate our responsibility to
 give considerable thought to how we will build the safe and secure archive
 of electronic publcations. Today's libraries rely on significant redundancy
 to assure themselves of the secure archive. However I supect that occasionally
 there are instances when the last copy is lost, discarded or distroyed, and
 no one knows. How we build a secure archive on a national or international
 level is of great concern and an issue we must all address, and we cannot
 leave it to chance or unplanned redundancy. Especially, the issue of the
 for-profit publishers must be addressed, since once a publication is no longer
 profitable, the need to erase the file will compelling.

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From:         csnowden@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      handling ejournals institutionally

>My question is really not about the specifics of the situation.  But I
>am curious about how people see electronic journals being distributed
>in the future to institutional subscribers.  What types of mechanisms
>need to be developed to handle these materials efficiently. Or do we
>even see the need for local distribution and are we really envisioning
>dialing in to a central commercial site.

>Howard Pasternack
>Brown University

We've been dealing with the problems of institutional ejournal processing and
distribution here at MIT, too. For now, we're developing table-driven scripts
to deal with the mechanics of checking in ejournals, stripping mail headers,
naming files, putting them in the right places and indexing those files. This
approach looks like it will probably work ok for a while, but it's becoming
increasingly obvious to me that some sort of standards will have to be
developed so that incoming ejournal articles can be uniformly parsed for
relevant pieces of information (journal title, issn, author, title, associated
graphics, etc). This seems important regardless of whether an ejournal
resides on the local file system or on a server somewhere else and regardless
of whether the "user" is an institution or an individual.

As for a distribution system, we're presently experimenting with WAIS.
We're interested in WAIS not only because of its functionality, but because
we (actually, I suppose I should say I, since I'm speaking for myself here)
think it represents a first step in the direction that ejournals - and
networked information in general - are likely to go. I'd be glad to discuss
our present experimental setup with anyone who's interested and would be
interested to hear about other efforts as well.

Carter Snowden
MIT Libraries Systems Office
csnowden@athena.mit.edu
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From:         "Brett G. Person" <NU079509@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals
              13 Sep 1992 22:02:37 EST from <JODONNEL@PENNSAS.UPENN.EDU>

More and more I find myself using the network services like gopher and archie.
I don't have the disk space to permanently keep anything around.  If it was on
paper, I'd throw it out too because of space considerations in my filing system

What is needed is a simple way for non-computer people to get at the informatio
n they need.  Maybe a kind of smart search program.  Something that would
go look for articles on a given subject on a periodic basis.
Electronic journals are fine, but they need to have an orderof semblance about
them.  The destribution method is an after-thought.  I'd rather have something
that could cull articles from a central location rather than getting the whole
journal when I'm only interested in one article.

-Brett
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From:         "Brett G. Person" <NU079509@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Very interesting software f/t visually handicapped.....

I read the post about this on l-hcap and consider it to be a joke.
as someone who has written screen readers and file readers for the
blind, I see nothing in the opost that makes the program look real.

E-mail me for speciffics


-Brett
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From:         James Powell <JPOWELL@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      bug report

As you may have noticed, a few copies (6-7) of bounced mail was distributed
back over the list.  Here's the explanation for those interested:

VPIEJ-L is forwarded to a usenet group called bit.listserv.vpiej-l.  In order
for the people who choose to read VPIEJ-L via usenet to post to the group,
it was necessary for me to set up the list so that anyone can post.  Otherwise
their submissions were rejected as being from non-subscribers.  We do not
currently have control over the usenet gateway, so listserv changes are the
only way I can provide posting capabilities to non-subscribers.  If this
continues to be a problem, I will attempt to set up a userid through which
non-subscribers may submit mail which would be processed by a human instead of
a computer.  In the mean time, I would ask you to be patient and send all
comments reguarding problems with the list to jpowell@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu.

Thanks.

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Subject:      Re: handling ejournals institutionally
              12 Sep 1992 10:56:02 EDT from <csnowden@ATHENA.MIT.EDU>

Carter Snowden points out that some uniform standards will have to be
developed so that ejournals can be parsed for relevant pieces of information.
I'd suggest that SGML will provide much of what he's asking for--a standard way
of indicating titles, keywords, associated graphics or other non-text objects,
etc..  Other kinds of formatting issues (page numbers vs. paragraph numbers,
for example) will not be resolved by the markup system, but these may not
matter as much from the point of view of the people trying to provide access
to the journals.

John Unsworth
Co-editor, _Postmodern Culture_
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Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
For those of you who are bent towards reading acience fiction, check out
_Earth_ by David Brin. a large portion of the book deals with The Net as
a tool to access information, and as a hindrance to privacy.  A good read
that can make you think.   Brin seems to have solved most of the problems
we are discussing here.
.

-Brett
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From:         Paul Gherman <GHERMAN@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals

John Unsworth's comments about archiving e-journals is a real issue which
the library profession needs to address. I suggest that their be federal
legislation, that requires publishers to deposit their archives of journals
they no-longer find are economically viable with the National Data Arhcives
a federal agency, which will maintain back-files of e-publications. A logical
agency for this responsibility could be the Library of Congress. Now all
publishers are required to send one copy of each publication to LC. The NDA
would support the server on the net, although possibly without all the bell
and whistles that I am sure will be developed to make e-publications
attractive and user friendly.






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From:    DOANE@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU (BETSEY DOANE)
Subject: RE: TALKING software

Thank you very very much--this looks absolutely WILD!
Wow, maybe at last an inexpensive and affordable way for print handicapped
people to get on line!--Betsey Doane <Doane@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
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Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals

In response to Howard Pasternack's question about future distribution methods
for e-journals, specifically re: institutional subscriptions, one possible
scenario is that there won't *be* institutional subscriptions.  Here's how
it goes:

An internet-accessible electronic journal doesn't need to be centrally held,
nor does it need to be locally archived in a number of different sites.  As
long as it is actively publishing, it can be accessed directly by the user,
though libraries may provide that user with the tools and the knowledge that
make access possible.  Once the journal is *not* being published any longer,
of course, archived copies need to exist, and probably should exist in more
than one place--in other words, we do still need for there to be someone(s)
who will take responsibility for archiving, and these may be the same people
(librarians) who provide access to e-journals, but where actively publishing
journals are concerned, librarians may not be providing access to archived
copies.  And where one is concerned with e-journals no longer publishing,
the same mechanisms that once accessed the journal's active files may be
used to access a distributed collection of defunct journals--interlibrary
loan, in effect.

What will those mechanisms be?  Maybe something like WAIS, operated via
an interface between library catalogue systems and WAIS clients--that's my
guess, at any rate.

By the way: an interesting sidelight of this scenario:  What will the effect
on academic journals be, when item-use rather than standing library orders
makes up the bulk of the journal's income?  When we can tell exactly how
many copies of each essay have been ordered (and by whom), we will have
a much more directly market-driven system of scholarly publishing (regardless
of whether the journal itself is free, by the way).  What do we think the
results will be?  Will item-use information replace, or supplement, citation
information in tenure decisions?  Will use figures determine the fate of a
particular journal, author, or work?  By the way, the apocalyptic overtones
of these questions is not intended:  it arises out of the assumption that
no equivalent forces are currently at work in scholarly publishing...

John Unsworth
Co-Editor, _Postmodern Culture_
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Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

From:  Peter Graham, Rutgers University

I support Ann Okerson's views on how e-journals (and other e-publications) will
be used:  from the/a source, not stored locally.  The implications are for
user-friendly access tools, standards of descriptions and access, safeguards
for preserving the information in its original form, and organized means of
collocating like materials.

Does any of this sound familiar?

--Peter Graham (Hint:  I'm a librarian)
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From: mmanoff@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      WAIS & electronic journals
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(cross-posted to PACS-L & VPIEJ-L)

The MIT Libraries are currently exploring WAIS as a platform for
accessing and searching electronic journals. We would be interested in
hearing from any other libraries using WAIS for this purpose. Please
respond directly to me. Thank you
         Marlene Manoff, MIT Libraries
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From:         Stevan Harnad <harnad@PRINCETON.EDU>
Subject:      Library Archiving and Distribution of Electronic Journals

> Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 09:02:55 EDT
> From: Howard Pasternack <BLIPS15%BROWNVM.BITNET@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU>
>
> I've been working with our serials department on setting up procedures
> for handling several electronic journals, and one of the comments made
> by the serials staff is that processing e-journals is considerably
> more labor intensive than processing traditional print publications.
> The journals in question are currently distributed as Bitnet text files
> via a listserv.  Transferring the text from the e-mail subscription
> account to a fileserver or cwis is currently far from elegant.

There is no reason why automatic archiving to a local fileserver should
be a problem at all. What you will need is to write some one-time
software for automatically transferring all files to the local server,
either from the subscription mailings themselves or from the remote
archive. (This wheel has probably been independently invented several
times in the last year. Write me and I will send you a file of other
libraries doing the same thing.) In addition, you need software for
making it available to all your users in an easy friendly way. (I
recommend a Usenet-like interface, but there are probably other local
solutions here too.)

> My question is really not about the specifics of the situation.  But I
> am curious about how people see electronic journals being distributed
> in the future to institutional subscribers.  What types of mechanisms
> need to be developed to handle these materials efficiently. Or do we
> even see the need for local distribution and are we really envisioning
> dialing in to a central commercial site.

For the time being, friendly local availability, through something like
the terminals that allow you to search the library holdings, is probably
the best way to speed the development of the new medium. Eventually,
some form of shared distributed archiving will probably evolve.

Stevan Harnad
Ed., PSYCOLOQUY

Department of Psychology      Cognition et Mouvement URA CNRS 1166
Princeton University          Universite d'Aix Marseille II
Princeton NJ 08544            13388 Marseille cedex 13, France
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Subject:      Re: Distribution of Electronic Journals

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

From: Peter Graham, Rutgers Univ.

Paul Gherman in this thread notes that "occasionally
 there are instances when the last copy is lost, discarded or distroyed, and
 no one knows" which defeats the redundancy built into libraries.  Keep in mind
that even research libraries collect mainly the published works. much of what
we are now seeing on the net is comparable to the "grey literature" of the
scholarly world up until now, and these materials -- fugitive, uncataloged,
tentative -- have in the past ended up in libraries' Special Collections (aka
rare books dept.) if anywhere.

The analogy holds for libraries in the electronic era, I suspect; some
"published" works will be held in ready availability for users, with redundant
access points, while others will be in archive-like collections which will
require effort by the potential user to locate.

Nothing profound here; just a note that it's worth distinguishing between
types of materials and their use.

--pg
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I think Craig should be able to subscribe from Sun id. He  could try it
and he could also call the SA at the site to ask.
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              sys.?

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Hi!

        Has anyone on this list ever tried using the CASEB electronic archival
and retrieval system for E-Journals ?

        If so, how is the program?
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