From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:56:04 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Aug13.035027.4847@cco.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>>Can you prove that the ALL of the circles WERE created by humankind?
>You're the one saying they are created by aliens.  So, just show me one
>instance in which this is true, and I will believe you.
So you can't.

>>If they do exist, I'm not willing to make any presumptions about them at all.
>Why not?  If they exist, and if we do not know about them, then this must
>be by design.  You can't accidently hide...
I won't make any presumptions on them until I meet one.  If there is
such an animal.  (Hmmm.. would they BE animal?  Or do we invent a new class?)

>You think that we would pose a theat to a race that travelled from another
>star system?
A .50 Calibre slug thrower pushes a slug at quite a few meters/sec.
We have lasers (HELTADS, for example) that can melt the wings off
airplanes.
We have caustic, biological and nerve toxins that can kill you before you
know what happened.
And look at your average politician...  I wouldn't turn MY back on one...
Heck YES, we pose a threat.  Even if we miss when we shoot, we'd still
be likely to shoot.  We have people who LIKE to shoot.
 
>Oh, so they intentionally leave graffiti behind just to mess with our minds?
Graffiti yes.  Intentionally yes.  Why?  Heck, I don't know.
 
>Oh?  You think that KGB agents are going to be fooled by UFO stories?  Why
>would the governement want to trick the public?  They could just easily
>say, "Oh, that is a top secret craft we are developing.  Sorry, we can't
>tell you any more," and no one would blink an eye.
Yeah.  Riiiight.  Besides, KGB is disbanded organization.  Is no more KGB.
 
>If you were a true skeptic, you would believe neither the hoaxster or the
>alien explanations.
Can't beat this point to death, it seems.  My contention is not
"There are aliens making crop circles" but rather "I suspect that
some, or a majority of, the crop circles were made by means other than
human intention".
 
>If I go out in a field and destroy someone's crops, you wouldn't find me
>bragging about it.  Besides, it I admitted to it, then it wouldn't be any
>more fun.
So you DO make crop circles...

>So you think that there is going to be an alien invasion?
Nope, didn't say that one.  Just said "If there is one, I want to
hear how you explain it".

Now one of my contentions is that people on the net are trying to 
debunk the phenomena by debunking the USENET messages.  Let's try
a different tack.

According to _Circular Evidence_ by Pat Delgado & Colin Andrews,
Phanes Press 1989 (yep, pre hoaxters) crop circles have been around
since the 1950's in Australia.  The hoaxters used a technique known
to break the stalks as the stalks don't bend.  Yet the stalks are
quite bent, permanently so.  They continue to grow that way.  They
don't straighten, and they lie in regular patterns.  There are
a variety of patterns, and (that's the patterns in the cereal, NOT
the shape of the circle...) a variety of theories are examined.

If you care to examine the book, and read it, you'll have a lot
more information.  If you base your knowledge on what you read on
the net, or in newspapers (or on just one book...) then you're
biased.  

If you read the book, drop me a note and we'll pick this discussion up
where we left off...

's been fun.  Rick
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