HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: xorcist@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: ba.music,rec.music.industrial,alt.gothic,alt.industrial,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,al
Subject: Re: Announcing House Of Usher - Bay Area Gothic/Industrial club
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 23:26:36 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

In article <1992Nov5.105333.19554@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> oburroug@nyx.cs.du.edu

 >So now there will be two copies of his CD in circulation.  He won't have to
 >pay his mother to take copies and sell them at bake sales anymore.  Why I
 >even read in one of the "reviews" (note the use of big quotes since the only
 >positive review of Damned Awful (read Damned Souls) that I have seen have be
 >penned by the unearthly one himself)
  -----------------------------------

I must of missed this line before as I thought this was another joke by Rajat
or something, but FYI, I've never 'penned' a review of my own disc. Jesus...
figure some other creative way to pass your junk through the usenet lines...

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Newsgroups: ba.music
From: bwc@MicroUnity.Com (Bryan Chin)
Subject: piano tuning
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: 9 Nov 92 10:01:41



Hi,
We just received and old piano from my parents.  Does anyone have some
recommendations for piano tuners.  Fremont vicinity would be preferred.

E-mail would be fine, I'll post a summary if there are significant replies.

Thanks
Bryan
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MicroUnity Systems Engineering
bwc@muse.com
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From: xorcist@cyberden.uucp
Newsgroups: ba.music,rec.music.industrial,alt.gothic,alt.industrial
Subject: Re: Announcing House Of Usher - Bay Area Gothic/Industrial club
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 03:36:34 PST
Organization: Indescribable Creations

schmeve@seeker.mystic.com (Steve Schmitt) writes:

> In article <1992Nov5.105333.19554@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> oburroug@nyx.cs.du.edu
> >In article <FZRmTB1w165w@cyberden.uucp> xorcist@cyberden.uucp writes:
> >                                        ^^^^^^^
> >>There are two rooms at House Of Usher. An Industrial/CyberDustrial room wit
> >
> >Ohhh! Ahhh! It's XOR-cyst (yeah, like a malignant growth on logical commands
> >... [remaining put-downs deleted]
>
> Hahaha!  You're so funny, Xorcist!  Pretending to be someone else, this
> "Oliver Burroughs" fellow, while you insult yourself!  What a clever way
> to draw even more attention to your music and the rise of the House of
> Usher.  Good job!  It takes tremendous self-confidence to pull such a trick.
> You executed it well, but you should have had your alter-ego "oburroug"
> say some intelligent, constructive things to give him a little more
> credibility before he started his tirade.

Sorry, oburroug@nyx.cd.de.edu is not me. Never has been. I really don't
know what that other person's problem was, nor do I care.

If I really wanted to insult myself, I'd not bathe for a few days...

<X>orcist

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From: maddox@spectrx.saigon.com (Otto Maddox)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: ba.test
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:54:55 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

ba.test


Charles Durand - (Otto Maddox) +1 415 969 1634
maddox@spectrx.saigon.com
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: rtxf@netcom.com (Tracy Foiles)
Subject: Re: test
Keywords: test
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:12:37 GMT

In article <qFL2TB8w165w@spectrx.saigon.com> maddox@spectrx.saigon.com (Otto Maddox) writes:
>test
>
>Charles Durand - (Otto Maddox) +1 415 969 1634
>maddox@spectrx.saigon.com

Yet another test.
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From: gregg@coreys.berkeley.edu (gregg)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: testing nuncius
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:49:00 GMT
Organization: me
NNTP-Posting-Host: lsa1mac20.berkeley.edu
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1a2




test test test
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: mvn@library.ucla.edu (Michael Van Norman)
Subject: test posting
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:50:16 GMT
Organization: UCLA Library

just a test of this feed
From: tp@stout.cisco.com (t patterson)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: 5th test in  series
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:14:24 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: stout.cisco.com

test 2, 3, and 4 failed, but this one will probably work.

t.p.
From: bagnall@sunfse.UUCP (Brian Bagnall)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Re: test
Keywords: n
Date: 5 Nov 92 01:53:36 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale

Just a test

Brian Bagnall, Sunnyvale
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: james@wrs.com (James Moore)
Subject: test
Reply-To: james@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:06:03 GMT

testing one two three
-- 
James Moore                            /|\                        james@wrs.com
Wind River Systems                     \|/                  Alameda, California
	 "Half of what he said meant something else, and the other half
			  didn't mean anything at all"
From: clp@mezon.Corp.Sun.COM (Chuck L. Peterson)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Date: 6 Nov 92 23:10:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mezon.corp.sun.com

This is a test to ba.test to check my header.
From: kwan@osc.COM (Kwan-Seng Low)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Re: Testing an outgoing post
Keywords: test, bothersome, annoying
Date: 9 Nov 92 20:20:18 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Versant Object Technology, Menlo Park, CA

In article <5133@rosie.NeXT.COM> ltucker@next.com writes:
>A standard test posting to see if we get any anoying results.
>	Lee

just a test for F reply key
From: bfong@btr.btr.com (Beda Fong bfong@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: asdf fd s fdsa asdf asd f sadf  sadf asd f sad f sadf sdfa
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:15:34 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

sadf
sfda

sdaf
From: dfm@gumby.Altos.COM (David Mason)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: TEST
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:45:59 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Altos Computer Systems, San Jose, CA

Just testing.

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Newsgroups: ba.test
From: deb@zehntel.com (MOTHER DAEMON)
Subject: Testing (So what's new?)
Organization: Teradyne Inc, ATE Division, Walnut Creek, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:24:37 GMT

Testing.  Testing. 1 2 3 4 Testing.

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2625 Shadelands Drive			Phone: +1 510 932 6900 x257
Walnut Creek, CA  94598
From: valeriel@Autodesk.COM (Valerie Lowe)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:07:14 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

testing testing
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: .:.
From: mikep@abekas.com (Mike Park)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:28:25 GMT
Organization: Abekas Video Systems Inc., Redwood City, California.

:.:
-- 
Mike Park
Abekas Video Systems Inc.                 NET: mikep@abekas.com
From: maddox@spectrx.saigon.com (Otto Maddox)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test
Keywords: test
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:27:01 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

test

Charles Durand - (Otto Maddox) +1 415 969 1634
maddox@spectrx.saigon.com
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: luisg@hadar.fai.com (Luis Galleguillos)
Subject: fj mytest
Originator: luisg@lugano
Organization: Fujitsu NTS
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:11:25 GMT


This is a FNTS test
luis
From: manley@optilink.UUCP (Dave Manley)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Re: .:.
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:31:37 GMT
Organization: DSC/Optilink Access Products

In article <1992Nov8.092825.7868@abekas.com> mikep@abekas.com (Mike Park) writes:
>:.:

"/"
From: kambiz@oceania.com (Kambiz Aghaiepour)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: no-reply noreply testing
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:16:31 GMT
Reply-To: kambiz@oceania.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems


Foo!! This is a test.
I hope this works.

--Kambiz

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From: stuarts@jeeves.ucdavis.edu (Stuart Staniford-Chen)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Test 2
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:17:02 GMT
Distribution: ba

This is a test of my NeXT news software.


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From: mark@infocomm.com
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test - ignore
Summary: test posting
Keywords: test
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:22:09 GMT
Reply-To: mark@infocomm.com
Organization: INFO COMM - Computer Consulting, Redwood City, Ca

This is a test posting.  Ignore
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Newsgroups: ba.test
From: brucek@uni.ins.com (Bruce Klein)
Subject: Test
Keywords: Isn't this fun?
Organization: International Network Services
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:44:57 GMT

It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for.

bk
From: stuarts@jeeves.ucdavis.edu (Stuart Staniford-Chen)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Test
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:15:30 GMT
Distribution: ba

Just testing my news software.

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From: Dave_Busuttil@smtp.esl.com (Dave Busuttil)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: this is a test
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:42:46 GMT
Followup-To: ba.test
Organization: ESL Inc., S'vale CA

this is a test.

--
Dave Busuttil
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: pierre@prpa.philips.com (Pierre Uszynski)
Subject: Yes! A test!
Summary: a test
Keywords: test
Organization: Philips Research Palo Alto
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:34:38 GMT

Well you guessed it, it's a test.

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Newsgroups: ba.test
From: Rick_Donnelly@taligent.com (Rick Donnelly)
Subject: TeSt lkjlkj
Organization: Taligent, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 03:17:40 GMT

This is a test message.

1234567890
From: martin@sputnik.ocsinc.com (Martin Van Ryswyk)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:58:24 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Operations Control Systems

the big test
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martin@sputnik.ocsinc.com
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: martin@sputnik.ocsinc.com (Martin Van Ryswyk)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:37:57 GMT
Organization: Operations Control Systems
Subject: test
Distribution: ca
Organization: Operations Control Systems

test

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Martin Van Ryswyk	 			
martin@sputnik.ocsinc.com
From: Dave_Durant@vos.stratus.com
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: test.. ignore
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:39:20 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: m113-12.sw.stratus.com

Just a test..
From: lrucker@parcplace.com (Lee Ann Rucker)
Newsgroups: ba.test
Subject: Another test
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:20:54 GMT
Followup-To: ba.test
Distribution: ba
Organization: ParcPlace

This is the second test.
Newsgroups: ba.test
From: deb@zehntel.com (MOTHER DAEMON)
Subject: Re: Testing (So what's new?)
Organization: Teradyne Inc, ATE Division, Walnut Creek, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 21:42:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.212437.18439@zehntel.com> deb@zehntel.com (MOTHER DAEMON) writes:
>Testing.  Testing. 1 2 3 4 Testing.
>
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>2625 Shadelands Drive			Phone: +1 510 932 6900 x257
>Walnut Creek, CA  94598			 

Testing the F)ollow up function of rn news reader.

moi
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Walnut Creek, CA  94598			 
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From: garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,co.politics,ne.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Summary: Point/Counterpoint
Date: 13 Nov 92 02:06:26 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Nov12.045708.7546@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)                      writes...
>In article <1992Nov12.023946.29923@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE) writes:
>>It does to me. The question is, do you split a piece of bread between a 
>>starving man and a fat man just to be "fair"?
> 
>If the fat man supplied the materials and baked the bread, I'd call
>it more than fair. The question is, "whose bread is it?" Need does
>not justify theft. 

If you think that someone taking a piece of bread from rich man to feed 
a starving man is theft then the law must be changed, because to refuse to 
spare a man a piece of bread who is starving is morally wrong when you 
have plenty.(I believe there is a quote by Jesus that alludes to this.
I'm not religious, I just respect the man.)
>  
>>>You mean like Oakland, California (where I'd been living for about five
>>>years before I moved to Colorado)?
> 
>>Exactly. You should know then (although the Oakland hills are suburbs).
> 
>(The Oakland/Berkeley border, actually.)

You mean the Montclair area which happened to be the richest part of
Oakland before the fire (along with Piedmont).

 People were already doing
>a great deal of stealing, even before the California government
>started comming unglued... I don't think the social programs had
>much direct effect on this, one way or another.

This is outside of my field, but I believe that you are saying that
if poor people weren't being given help through food stamps, WIC and
other services then they wouldn't steal more than they are now? This CAN
be proven one way or the other. 
> 
>                                                Frank Crary
>                                                CU Boulder
From: chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Clayton's bogus numbers
Summary: Phil can do bogus numbers, too.
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:28:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: rbbb

In article <1992Nov9.222422.29769@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>To (try to) go back to the original issues ...

>1. It is moral to discriminate on ANY basis for ANY reason whatsover.

Says you.  The elected representatives of the voting oppressors say
otherwise.  Feel free to propose a better system.

[in a day-care context...]
>4. Treating male homosexuals as a black box, an extremely high % of
>   molestation incidents are performed by male homosexuals as compared
>   to male hetereosexuals.

This is incorrect.  First, Clayton never established that it was in
fact "homosexuals" (that is, has sex with adult men) that commit the
incidents.  Second, you are confuse number of victims with number of
perpetrators.  Third, you ignore risks to the female children.

If you must hire a man to work in a day care center, and wish to
maximize the probability that *no* children will be molested, then you
should choose a homosexual man.

Feel free to try to prove me wrong -- this result comes from

(1) the higher rate (12x) at which fixated molestors molest (and hence,
    there are fewer molestors per victim).  20% male victims --> 2% of
    molestors.

(2) a most-generous-case interpretation of Clayton's claim that 20% of
    molestors of boys are "exclusively homosexual".  20% of 2% is .4%.

Thus, (ignoring "exclusive homosexuals" that molest girls) homosexuals
account for only .4% of the molesting population.  I assume that some
number of homosexuals also molest girls.  Depending upon how you
correct for that, and what you believe is the percentage of the male
population is homosexual (I'll use 4%, one of the lower estimates),
you get various numbers that tell you how much safer children (both
genders) are with a homosexual man than with a heterosexual man:

no H's molesting G's:
   %H in molesting population = .4%.
   children 10x safer.

equal numbers of H's molesting G's and B's:
   %H in molesting population = .8%.
   children 5x safer.

4x number of H's molesting G's:
   %H in molesting population = 2%
   children 2x safer.

This is granting Clayton's low estimate for the number of homosexual
males in the general population, and interpreting his ambiguous
statistic in a way that is most damning to homosexuals.

David Chase
Sun
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,co.politics,ne.politics,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.democrats.d
Subject: Re: Ignorance - Was Re: VOTE, BABY, VOTE!
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:38:12 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Nov12.015128.20902@pony.Ingres.COM> garrett@Ingres.COM (WE'RE ONLY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL HERE) writes:
>I must dissent on your personal isolationism (not that I'm saying you
>must reject your "I am an island" stand. It's your choice). What I am saying
>is that we have certain responsibilities to our fellow man, whether we 
>like it or not. 

I'm not saying we _shouldn't_ care about others, just that we aren't
morally required to give others money. 

>People should take care of themselves if they are capable,
>even required to, but sometimes you can't (whether it's from hard times,
>or from prolonged sickness, or whatever).

However, the government has no place deciding for me, who I think
deserves help or what form that help should take.

>	What are we, as a society, to do when some people can't make
>on their own no matter what they try to do? Let them starve? What kind of
>society is it, that would let someone starve when there is wealth all 
>around them?

Does giving them food, as much as they want, with no strings attached,
help them? How do you determin who "can't make it on their own"?

>That is the kind of situation we would be having right now
>in parts of the country (like California), if it wasn't for unemployment
>benefits and other social services. Trained people can't find jobs out
>here right now because there just isn't any around. Without the social
>services we have California would be depopulating right now (there aern't
>even minimum wage jobs available).

It's worth noting that California wouldn't have many of these problems,
if it didn't have its expansive social services: Companies are moving
and taking jobs away from the state, because to the high taxes these
programs require. Some programs along these lines are a good public
policy, but if you treat them as a moral obligation they grow beyond
reason and create their own problems.

>	Basically, I'm saying that I don't believe in Social Darwinism.
>I think it is a huge step back on the evolutionary scale. And to remove
>the sad excuse we have for a safety-net in this country is to return to
>a dog-eat-dog society that was rejected once already. 

I'm afraid (at least from the number of people, born poor, who "made
it" and became middle class or rich) the dog-eat-dog society worked
better. The alterantives appear to be hardships for the poor and
many people escaping poverty; charitably reducing the suffering of
the poor and many people remaining poor all their lives (and raising
thier children in poverty). It is debatable which alternative is 
really "helping" them.

                                                 Frank Crary
                                                 CU Boulder
From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star)
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Clayton's bogus numbers
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:57:55 GMT
Followup-To: ba.politics
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <lfisqoINN6u4@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) writes to Clayton Cramer:

>There is certainly some overlap in the two sets
>
>   men-who-have-sex-with-men and men-who-have-sex-with-boys
>
>but you have not shown that one implies the other.  In particular, you
>have not measured the overlap.
>
>Your belief that gay rights is somehow equivalent to child-molestors'
>rights is especially weird.  How on earth do you justify this?

My conclusion, after having read his postings for about a year and a half
now, is that the molestation of his nephew, plus perhaps his wife's
perceived reactionary conservatism, has a lot to do with his attempt to
generalize and equate the problem of child molestation with homosexuality.

I feel sorry for all of the Cramers and Cramer in-laws involved.
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