HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us (Larry Greenfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese names & Finnish names
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:13:25 GMT
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

There are those names that are both Japanese names and (separately) 
Anerican/English names as well.  For instance, Ken (Kenji or 
Kenneth) for a guy, or Kei (Keiko/Kay) for a woman. I know both a Ken 
and Kay Japanese-Americans.  
  But hey, bet you won't find "Larry" <Laurence> as a traditional 
Japanese name.  Too many Ls and Rs. :)
:::::Larry:::::

:::::larryg@batpad.lgb.ca.us::::: // :::::Larry Greenfield:::::
::::::::Just your average modeming Classical Violinist:::::::::
:::::::::::Using a 6809-based Tandy Color Computer 3:::::::::::
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: pankow@yoda.fsl.noaa.gov (glen pankow)
Subject: Re: YAWN Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
Keywords: women sex Yaohan blah
Organization: Forecast Systems Lab, NOAA, Boulder CO, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:36:49 GMT


In article <1jsnv2$i74@agate.berkeley.edu> jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James
C. Liu) writes:
> The ladies in this group are more ...'well bred,' and therefore more
> interested in stuff like language, okonimiyaki, etc.  but inevitably,
> sex sells to the men...

It appears that sex appeals to women, too:


In article <1993Jan26.214053.23240@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
writes:
>>>> [blah blah it's great here ]
>>>  [ blah blah no it's not ]
>>
>> [ blah it's great here and there blah ]
>
>What a wank festival.

At last we've determined how we can bring in more women to the net!  Let's
start another my-Yaohan-is-better-than-your-Yaohan series of articles.  We'll
be sure to get some more of these well-bred ladies to join!

Cross-postings to soc.culture.usa, soc.culture.british, and soc.culture.canada
deleted.


------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Glen Pankow                       If any of my opinions should be caught or
pankow@fsl.noaa.gov               killed, the Secretary will disavow any
glen@boulder.colorado.edu         knowledge of my actions.
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Godzilla!!!
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:00:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1jusg2INNl7o
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu (Rikiya Asano) writes:
>Godzilla! There is not enough band width to give the unrecognized credit
>that the creator of this monster turned hero turned demi-god. Wow! Just
>as the great master Bruce Lee and Jimi Hendrix are in the heart of
>children the world over Godzilla almost reigns supreme. 

Funny you should mention Bruce Lee and Jimi Hendrix together. I 
think they both lived and are buried somewhere in or around Seattle.
I understand many fans of these two legendary figures come here for 
a pilgrimage.

Now, as for Godzilla, could it be possible that he's(she's?) living 
around here incognito during his/her off-time?  Perhaps he/she has 
something to do with the Hanford nuclear facility ...  I think 
things are starting to make sense ... :^)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Speaking of Y. MIshima
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:20:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

You know...I'm certainly used to flames on the net, and, I, myself, was
the subject of a flame war recently (remember Rie!), but this thread
dedicatd to the late Mishima really wins the Nobel Prize (or is it Award)
of flames.  Come on netters, do we have to KILL each other here.  

But, then again, in samurai days of old....
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: cmr@world.std.com (Charles M Richmond)
Subject: Re: Is this offensive?
Organization: Integrated International Systems Corp. One Longfellow Place, Suite 3309, Boston, Ma.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:21:18 GMT

tanaka@til.til.com (Yokichi Tanaka) writes:

>...................................  In fact, I remember reading
>an article in a local Japanese newspaper of a Japanese lady who was 
>ridiculed for buying Nabisco's Nip crackers, and felt much hurt.



Was it a particularly slow day for news?   (-;

Charlie
-- 
*****************************************************************************
*  Charles Richmond 	Integrated International Systems Corporation        *
*  cmr@world.std.com	(Temporary) cmr@koneko.shr.dec.com		    *
*  Specializing in UNIX, X, Image Processing, and Communications.           *
From: stagiair@nl.oracle.com (Praktikant MTS Ede)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Happy new year !!
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:11:23 GMT
Organization: Oracle Europe

Iedereen ook een gelukkig nieuwjaar,

groeten


Jos Andel
From: kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Racial Discrimination in Hiring English Teachers
Date: 26 Jan 1993 16:46:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

In article 22179, tobac@ub-tky.UBSPD.CO.JP (Bach Frederic)
writes:

>In article <1k24id$eed@agate.berkeley.edu> robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Henry Robertson) writes:

     ^^^^^^^
>>Totally unnecessary, man.  yet another posting to scare women out of
the 
>>newsgroup.

>Totally unnecessary, man.  yet another posting to scare people out of
>the newsgroup.
-- 

Totally unnnnnnnneccccessssaaaaarrrryyy, man.  God of "the" BIBLE scare
the SHIT out o' yo' white asss while you burnn <in hell>.  What God? 
Haaahaaaahaaa.  SSSttttoooopppiddd.  I have master degree
unininiversity.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Weapons are too easily available
From: cvadrgih@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:09:05 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvadrgih

> 
> I agree.  I've heard that EVERYBODY in Japan has either a sword or a
> knife.  Some housewives even carry them inside their homes, right in
> the kitchen!  It's no wonder that Japan has such a violent culture.  I
> wouldn't let MY son or daughter go there to study; it's just too
> dangerous.
> 
> 
     Most everyone in the U.S. (as well as most of the other civilized
countries in the world) have knives too.  I use them to carve steaks,
vegetables, and sometimes even paper.  You can kill someone with a shoe (if you
hit them enough/hard enough in the right place).  You can't outlaw EVERYTHING!
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:14463 sci.lang.japan:5261
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,sci.lang.japan
Subject: What was Sakurauchi's comment? Re: Miyazawa Comment (was Re: Honda vs F
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:22:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <~1#@byu.edu>, luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke) writes:
> In article <1993Jan27.033802.15031@gibdo.engr.washington.edu> tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Tad Perry) writes:

What exactly was it that Sakurauchi said?  I seem to recall someone
posted his comment too, which was far more inflamatory.
--
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller
_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Enlightenment Happens?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: Apologizing for WWII--yet again
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 02:40:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.235952.26265@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.4303.16653@dosgate> "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
>writes: ...
>>if Japan as a nation has sincere remorse for her war atrocities, to prevent
>>the crimes be repeated by Japan's later generations, it should be part of
>>the history education.
>
>(I nearly choked on my O-cha when I read this.)
>
>I deleted most of this post, but the rest of it is typified by the above
>quotation and the one to follow.

If your reasoning and judgements are so succinct and precise
please answer my question which I have tried several times
to extract from you.  Concerning your carefully thought out
system of catagorization:

>Legend-
>  -ge = in the sense of ethnicity (i.e. genetics)
>  -cu = in the sense of culture
>  -ci = in the sense of citizenship

Question #1)
Tell me, for a person to be called chines-ge what percentage of
his genetic should be Chinese.  I will make it easy for you:

    1) at least 25.00000000000000000001 %
    2) at least 33.33333333333333333334 %
    3) at least 50.00000000000000000001 %
    4) at least 66.66666666666666666667 %
    5) None or all of the above.

Question #2)
To be considered a Chinese-cu one must be:
 
    1) At least 25% Chinese culture and any combination
       of foreign cultures adding up to 75%.
    2) Only Han Chinese, other ethnic groups within
       China are not Chinese-cu, since some of them retain
       more than 50.0000001% of their original culture.
    3) Chinese living in America are Chinese-cu if they
       are 100% converted since, living in US and
       not accepting this superior culture is unforgivable.
    4) none or all of the above.

Question #3)
I think you got the idea...

This kinds of catagorization leads to meaningless prejudices,
and only clouds the discussion, which Djoe have been known to
consistently do.

I am eagerly waiting your reply to enlighten me.

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim

"O sancta simplicitas! In what strange simplification of falsification man 
lives!  ... How we have made everything around us clear and free and easy and 
simple!  How we have been able to give our senses a passport to everything 
superficial..."             [Beyond Good and Evil]  by F. Nietzsche

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: Japanese name !!
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:19:22 GMT

In article <1jo46eINN41c@shelley.u.washington.edu> yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:
>Interestingly, I've heard somewhere that -ko used to be a masculine 
>ending in ancient times.

Yes.
Examples from 7C., Shoutoku-Taishi's time (well, the "shi" of "Taishi"
is also the kanji "ko", but that's a different story):
	SOGA no UMAKO:	Taishi's ally and presumably the one who
		actually held the power; Possibly of Korean descent.
	ONO no IMOKO: Taishi's delegate to Zui (Sui dynasty).

I can't think of more recent examples.

As we are told, the kanji "ko" in feminine names at that time to the
Heian Era (ca. 11C.) is read in ON-YOMI as "shi"; eg. Koumyoushi,
Teishi.  I don't know whether they were actually read so.  And it
might only apply to the noblety.
By the Kamakura Era (12-13C.) the "ko" reading seems to have become
dominant, as in Houjou Masako.

>I think numbered ending is masculine.

I believe that's true.
However, there are girl names that simply is a number --
eg. (O)shichi, as in Yaoya-Oshichi (A maiden that set fire that
burnt the most of Edo; just that she might see her love-at-first-sight
she once spotted at another fire site).

Another trivia: the kanji for the masculine "-hiko" was not usable
in names for some time after the war.  Those who wanted to use "-hiko"
names used the combination of "hi" (ratio) and "ko" (ON-Yomi of
"furui": old) as a substitute.  Much (though not all) of the people
with that name are of that generation.

-Yuzuru Hiraga
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: tanaka@til.til.com (Yokichi Tanaka)
Subject: Re: Is this offensive?
Organization: Togai InfraLogic, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:48:43 GMT

In article <RHB.93Jan22222015@world.std.com>, rhb@world.std.com (Robert H Brueckner) writes:
|> 
|> I don't mind being called a Yank. My British friends call me that (as
|> in "you Yanks are having a bit of trouble in Somalia now, aren't
|> you?") and I call them Brits. But just as a matter of clarification,
|> the reason I sent my original post on this is because I asked my wife
|> (who is a sansei) if she thought the word Jap pejorative. She said no.
|> 

"Brits", "Yanks", "Canucks" are tame stuff.  They're not in the class
of "Chink", "nigger", "Jap".

Consider ... New York Yankees, Vancouver Canucks.  And consider how the
word "Yanks" is being used in your example above.  I've oft heard the
word "Brits" used like "you Brits have a subtle sense of humor."  There
is no hate or anger behind such uses.

Now, consider ... Marge Schott: "I'd rather hire monkeys than niggers."
"Remember pearl harbor, Jap."  "Go home, Chink."  "The Japs are
buying up everything." (This would usually be said in the absence of
a person of Japanese decent.)

Sure Yanks, Brits, Canucks, Chink, Jap, nigger all are offensive to
a degree.  Just that the latter 3 *much* more so than the former 3.

I'm a pretty insensitive person and don't give a hoot about political
correct-ness.  *I* am telling *you* that I find "Jap" and "Nip" quite
offensive.  Store that in your data bank, and think twice before using
these terms the next time.

As for your wife not minding ... what can I say.  You say she is
third generation.  Were her parents interned during WW2?  If they
were, I don't know how she could make such a statement.

Addendum on the word Nip (Mr. Ohtsuka please take note):
Underground band in LA during the early 80's:  Nip Drivers.
Their first LP was titled "Destroy Whities".  The cover of the LP
featured 4 Japanese with extremely slanted eyes driving around in
a car with dead bodies of caucasians in their wake. Also, the phrase
"Hip Nips" refers to sons/daughters of wealthy Japanese who drive
around in BMW's.
-- 
Yoke Tanaka                Togai InfraLogic, Inc.       "fuzzy"
tanaka@til.com             5 Vanderbilt, Irvine, Calif 92718, USA
gordius!til!tanaka         714-975-8522
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: rvejb@etlcom3.etl.go.jp (John Bozek)
Subject: Re: Rie Miyazawa and Takahanada
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Reply-To: rvejb@etlcom3.etl.go.jp (John Bozek)
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
	<1k1e1oINNg08@shelley.u.washington.edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:07:44 GMT

On 01/26/93(04:11) seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-) wrote
in <1k1e1oINNg08@shelley.u.washington.edu> (soc.culture.japan:23219/etlss2):
 |>>I don't remember if they gave any details as to
 |>>the reasons ... maybe somebody else out there in the ether knows...?
 |
 |>When I visited Japan this winter, I heard all over the place that Rie-mama
 |>(Rie's mom) was the main reason for the break-up.  It seems that Takahanada's
 |>parents got tired of Rie's mother, too.
 |>may s.
 |
 |	isn't rie's mom or dad polish, not japanese? please confirm
 |	on this, thanx. and also, what's wrong with rie's mom?
 |

Don't know about rie's parents (though I think it is her father who
is European - dutch ??

BUT I did here from one of the nihon-jin in my lab that the friction
results from Takahanada's father who wanted Rie to give up her
acting/modelling/whatevering career to be a "proper" traditional
bride for the sumo star - who (unofficially) will be promoted to
Ozeki following his fairly good record after the new year basho -
and Rie's mother who doesn't want Rie to sacrifice her career.

I must say, I'd rather like to see Rie around in the public eye
instead of only occasionally as an ornament at the sumo bashos !

The above is just second hand stuff i heard from one of the people
in my lab and I gladly welcome corrections or even low temperature
flames - give me a chance to get my asbestos underwear on before
you really fire up those flamethrowers....

john
rvejb@etlcom3.etl.go.jp
From: aijuin@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Akira Ijuin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Miyazawa Comment (was Re: Honda vs Ford (+ Chrysler now))
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:51:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.C1HGts.M2L
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rvkl60@email.sps.mot.com (Tom Mathes) writes:

>I find it peculiar when people say "Bad American!!" whenever they
>say anything not nice about folks outside of the country, but say
>"he was probably misquoted" when referring to something ill
>said about Americans.  Miyazawa did indeed say what he said,
>and meant it.  It just wasn't meant for consumption outside
>of Japan.  And the Japanese call us racists!!

Now I'm not sure if the author of this article actually heard what 
Prime Minister Miyazawa said, in Japanese.  And I'm not sure if this author
understands Japanese, as used by politicians.  In case you did not know, 
Japanese politicians have this way of saying things without ever giving out
their true intentions.  Some (how much, I do not know) native Japanese
speakers have trouble understanding this, so I have little reason to think
that Prime Minister Miyazawa's comments were correctly understood,
or correctly translated into English.  The latter is especially a problem,
since Japanese as used by politicians are very hard to translate correctly.
Translating the superficial meaning does not suffice when dealing with
Japanese politicians.

Now I don't remember the exact words Prime Minister Miyazawa used when he
supposedly said "Americans are lazy".  However, I did listen to it quite a 
few times since the Americans were having a cow over this, and some of my
friends asked me what he said, in Japanese.  The impression I got when
I heard his word was that he was more or less criticizing US management,
although like I said, he did his damn best to blurr his true intention, so
I cannot make any definite conclusions.  From the little that I can recall
about his exact words, I believe he said something to the extent of,
"It appears (to me) that some American laborers are less productive" or 
something to that extent (I'm really not sure...correct me if I'm wrong...
possibly with his actual words in Japanese).  I do not recall hearing the
word "Namakemono" = "lazy" from him.  So first, I think the interpretor made
his own interpretation of his comments before translating it.  To hold
Prime Minister Miyazawa responsible for what the interpretor thought of his
comments seems a bit unreasonable to me.

And also, this thing about Japanese calling Americans racists.  I'd like to
know how the author of the post came to this conclusion (I didn't see anything
like that in what the Prime Minister said), and I would also like to know how
this ties in with comments from the Prime Minister.  And if this is the 
author's way of saying Americans aren't, I have one question.  Do you in any
way think Americans are NOT racist? (I am not saying ONLY Americans are
racists.  Keep that in mind if you're going to flame me.)

Akira Ijuin

he's wrong
A
dispute it
From: naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Sumo - Hatsu Basho (Comments)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:07:19 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, MD
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: valkyrie.eng.umd.edu
Originator: naru@valkyrie.eng.umd.edu


I think the most interesting out come of this tournament is
how poorly Kotonishiki performed.  I was in Japan in begining
of January and I remember most anlyst were predicting 
Kotonishiki to do better than Takahanada, and would thus
be prmoted to ozeki.  

Naru Takashima
From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Ultraman (Re: How about a new newsgroup here?)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 07:55:14 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: locusts.berkeley.edu

You see, I like Japanese Sci-fi action shows the more low-budget the better
because it's all the national sentiments in naked form....well, especially
hilarious is when they use Western actors/actresses that appear to have as
much training as the average tourist....or the earliest kamen rider series
from the early '60s, definitely mindo ga hikui....Ishimori Shoutarou wrote
the Kamen rider mangas back then, and he had a markedly more masculine style
of drawing back then, if also sloppier....it's interesting how Japanese mangas
have become more effeminate in the last decade....but, Nagai Gou still retains
that masculine style, you know, the author of Devilman & Mazinger Z....he's
writing an episode called Susanao Densetsu (Susanao Legend) currently, of
which I have #1-7....boy at delinquent high school witnesses GF get gangraped,
and through his anger develops psychic powers....other ESPers try to use him
to their own ends, but the attempts backfire, and Susa turns into Susanao, the
legendary violent god-king of Japanese mythology....his energy opens up 
gateways to another dimension of devils, so devils possess & wipe out 99%
of humanity....in the end, Susa turns good again, but the dimensions of the
war turn into star wars, and all these spaceships with Hindu-mythology-ish
technology shoot nuclear weapons at each other....well, whatever Mr. Gou does,
he keeps you riveted in suspense with continuous action....he's a genius,
the Steven Spielberg of Japanese Manga.  It's also funny how half-Japanese
inevitably play mysterious or evil roles, but always with superhuman
attributes....like the most recent Godzilla film, where some Hawaiian actress
pilots the mechanical dragon....anyway, I love the way Mr. Gou portrays
Americans & other Western countries, it's so hilariously inaccurate, and the
characters are always short-tempered, exaggeratedly emotional, and psychotic....Maruo Suehiro is another genius to consider, but he uses razor-thin pens to
create the sensitive effect, whereas Mr. Gou likes to use thick pens for the
bold effect....both are virtuosos of violent graphics, and Gou does the
pleasing type of violence, whereas Suehiro does the kind that really drills into
your brain and drives you crazy....Ultraman, wasn't there 7 brothers?  And
the mom & dad?  Well, the original Kamen Rider manga had a story about
"Hinoshita Denki" (Hitachi? Matsushita??) developing a supercomputer under
Mt. Fuji in a supersecret compound to control the mind of all humans....it
was written in the days before microchips, so the computer's all analog
circuitry....well, we'll see if Sony or whoever won't really come out with
Terminator-style cyborgs.
From: tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Tad Perry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: HDTV in Japan
Date: 24 Jan 1993 09:03:18 GMT
Organization: unaffiliated
NNTP-Posting-Host: gibdo.engr.washington.edu

In article <93Jan23.224811est.47602@neat.cs.toronto.edu> tlai@cs.toronto.edu (Tony W H Lai) writes:
>
>I would agree that future EDTV systems are likely to hinder the popularity
>of HDTV in Japan, though.  I don't really mean to be so picky, but all the
>talk about HDTV happens to touch a nerve with me.

Well, okay, I'll buy your assessment that 3 to 3.5 H is the ideal
viewing distance for HDTV. It wouldn't be the first time Nomura, or I,
was wrong. But what nerve does HDTV touch for you? That might make for
a more interesting discussion. Is it that Japan's analog HDTV isn't
being viewed favorably, or something else? It's impressive technology,
but, for my purposes, my main points were:

1. An HDTV set is currently quite large.
2. Also, quite expensive.
3. Analog, and already scheduled for replacement by a digital standard.
4. Neither analog HDTV nor its replacement is NTSC compatible, and
   the replacement won't even be HDTV-compatible.

That's all. To the best of my knowledge the above is completely factual.


------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tad Perry      Internet:    tvp@gibdo.engr.washington.edu
               CompuServe:  70402,3020
               NIFTY-Serve: GBG01266
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan