HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: gc14@ellis.uchicago.edu (Grace Putao Chang)
Subject: Kermit
Keywords: Kermit,XMODEM,ZMODEM,YMODEM
Reply-To: gc14@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:30:14 GMT

Hullo!  Right now, I'm feeling very frustrated.  I have gotten files from
an ftp site, uncompressed them and everything, but I am unable to transfer
them to my PC.
I am using an Amiga, with the communications program AtalkIII
It supports (supposedly) Kermit, XMODEM,YMODEM,ZMODEM, but I can't get eny of them to work
Neither the on line man nor my ATalkIII man have helped me at all.  It seems
that I'm following the instructions to the letter.  The best that I've gotten
is to transfer 5 blocks and then it just gives me error messages.
Any help that you can give me is WANTED,NEEDED, and *APPRECIATED*

											
									
Thanks!!!!!!!!

							gc14@ellis.uchicago.edu
From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: newsgroup for academics, etc.-query
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:52:24 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I'm looking for a newsgroup dealing with general matters pertaining to
academics & university life, the humanities and all that sort of
thing.

I have a complete list of newsgroups but one can't always tell from
the designations that they are.

Thanks.-- 
********************************** +.............................+
*- Ken <miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>* :All opinions expressed herein:
*There is no privileged position.* :are my own and are not to be :
*	-God, Derrida, others    * : attributed to my employer   :
********************************** +.............................+
From: dhenchoz@ulci20.unil.ch (Daniel HENCHOZ)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: signature file
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:32:51 GMT
Organization: University of Lausanne CH (Switzerland)

Hello !

I've tried to give a signature file to all my articles
without success using XRN. 
I've created a file ~/.signature which contains my
signature, and I've called xrn with the option

-signatureFile ~/.signature

When I post an article this file is not added to the
article (By example for this article ....)

Any idea ?

Thanks in advance.

					Daniel Henchoz
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: How to read old posts on newsgroups?
Organization: AS&M Inc
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:56:42 GMT

In article <BuBMw4.3o6@agora.rain.com> elana@agora.rain.com (Elana Beach) writes:
   Thanks to a helpful person who caught my request for a desktop publishing
   forum, I am now happily subscribed to comp.text.desktop.  NOW what I want
   to know is how do I access all those old articles?  Are ancient posts to a
   newsgroup archived somewhere, and if so, how do I request them?  Like you
   would expect, I am able to access the current posts just fine.

It depends on the newsgroup, and whether someone is interested enough
to donate the resources for such an archive.  Post in the relevant
group (or wait for a FAQL to be posted).  I think there's a (not
necessarily complete) post to news.answers that lists archive sites
for various groups.  If it's expired at your site, explore via
anonymous FTP in rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet.  If you don't have
anonymous FTP send the message "help" (w/o the quotes) to
mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu.

--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: This is not a test
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<1992Sep14.001940.10804@wixer.cactus.org>
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:43:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.001940.10804@wixer.cactus.org> lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
   In article <4txn1lp.mesm@netcom.com> mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes:
   >bell@cs.tamu.edu (Will Bell) writes:
   >: I have no patience with people who don't RTFM before they start something.
   >I have found many cases where the local admin hasn't even given them
   >info on what man pages are, let alone what they are supposed to
   >use for reference material to guide them through usenet.

   Another point is that some users may be on systems that don't HAVE the man
   pages.  Not every site has x gigs of space, and man pages are "optional"
   as far as many admins are concerned.

Ask your sysadmin/newsadmin first.  Maybe he'll discover that the man
pages are useful, or put the paper versions in a user-accessible area,
or put up a reduced set of the man pages.

   >Maybe a better suggestion is to mail a general info on how to find
   >answers to every person who hasn't checked those sources yet....

   I like it. An n.n.q. FAQ... but how do you address the vast differences in
   various newsreaders/systems?  How to reply under trn is no good to someone
   using tin.  How to post under tin is no good to someone that only has read-
   news and pnews.

   How much good will this FAQ do someone on the system I get news on, which runs
   SCO, if it looks at things from the VMS point of view, or vice versa?  I think
   a comprehensive list would be a bit much to ask, and a bit much to post...

Ask your newsadmin.  He knows your setup better than anyone on the net.

(Can anybody guess my second response to a user question on the net?
After RTFM?  0.5 * :-)

--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: sridhar@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Subject: Re: What's JANET?
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:31:20 GMT

schuette@wl.com (Wade Schuette)
writes on news.newusers.questions:

)I need to send mail to someone in europe, and this seems to
)involve something called JANET. Where do I find info on that?

JANET is the name of the network in the United Kingdom. The only way
of accessing UK hosts sometime back used to be through this interface
(X.25) but more and more hosts in UK have Internet connections now.

If you possess a Internet connection, try logging on as janet on the 
host sun.nsf.ac.uk for JANET news.

)-- 
)====================================================================
)R. Wade Schuette     |  All opinions expressed are personal.| B>   |
)Ann Arbor, MI USA    |                                      |   :) |
)schuette@wl.com      |   *** "Synergize Scientists!"  ***   | B>   |

Sridhar.
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: dhenchoz@ulci20.unil.ch (Daniel HENCHOZ)
Subject: Line counter with XRN
Organization: University of Lausanne CH (Switzerland)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:15:58 GMT

Hello !

I've a problem using XRN news reader. When I post a newsarticle using XRN, the
line counter who normally gives the number of lines in the article give me a
question mark instead "[?]".
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

						Daniel Henchoz
From: Gloria.Bearss@f210.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: q
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 11 Sep 92  09:05:37

a
c

a

A

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Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: elana@agora.rain.com (Elana Beach)
Subject: desktop publishing forums?
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 17:38:48 GMT
From: Gloria.Bearss@f210.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Aborting Messages
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Aug 21 1992
Date: 11 Sep 92  09:20:38

KS> Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS
KS> dept.
KS> From: kschwab@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kerry Schwab)
KS> Message-ID: 1992Sep9.110928.17797@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu
KS> Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
KS>
KS> In article <18k2ctINNgda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
KS> bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike E. Romano) writes:
KS> >
KS> >How can I load only the newsgroups I like, instead of all
KS> >3,811 of them (increasing steadily) ?
KS> >I am accessing Usenet through Cleveland Free Net (prob obvious)
KS> >and sometimes it takes several minutes to load all those
KS> >newsgroups, if which I tend to value about 40.
KS> >about 40 newsgroups are relevant to my personal interests.
KS> >--
KS> >            Mike Romano     Univ. Calif. Berkeley
KS>
KS> You didn't say, but I'll assume you are using the canned
KS> newsreader that you
KS> *have* to use on the cleveland freenet. (unless you have shell
KS> access)
KS> If this is the case, you just have to grin and bear it. You don't
KS> have a
KS> ".newsrc" file , it loads newgroups from /usr/lib/news (which you
KS> cannot
KS> modify)
KS>
KS> After the big wait for the reader to start-up however, you can
KS> skip some of
KS> the clunkyness by typing "go the.newsgroup.you.want" at the
KS> highest level
KS> news menu.  This is much faster than negotiating the mass of
KS> newsgroups
KS> levels.
KS>
KS> --
KS> Kerry Schwab
KS> kschwab@nyx.cs.du.edu p.s.- why not go to the cs dept @ berkeley
KS> and get a
KS>                             "real" account ?
KS>
KS>
KS> --- Squish v1.01
KS>  * Origin: Universal Electronics Inc [714 939-6401] HST/DS
KS> (1:103/208)

---
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven :-] Guckes)
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Summary: Please look into "news.answers" for FAQLs.
	It might help you a lot. Amen!
Originator: guckes@medusa
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 10:50:37 GMT

cathy@techbook.com (Cathy Gaupo) writes:

>1--  I have lost a newsgroup (I deleted many, many things from my .newsrc
>account one day and haven't figured out how to fix that.) and don't know
>it's full name.  I am looking for a newsgroup about JFK conspiracy.  I
>know it's not alt.conspiracy-  but I don't know what it is.  Does anyone
>know the correct name?  

It's "alt.conspiracy.jfk.", dear! ;)
You can find listings of news groups in "news.answers".
For your convenience I'll list the most obvious here:
"List of Active Newsgroups"          by Gene Spafford. (see below)
"Alternative Newsgroups Hierarchies" by Gene Spafford. (see above)
"Regional Newsgroups Hierarchies"    by Andrew Partan. (see left)

>2--  I want to email something to a friend who works for intel in
>Alb. New Mexico.  I don't know full addresses.  I would like this to
>be a surprise, so I don't want to ask him for his address.  Is there a
>way I can get the e-mail address?

Why don't you call Intel and ask for it ? ;)
Or goto group "news.answers" and read
"FAQ: How to find people's e-mail addresses" by Jonathan Kamens.
From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: 2 questions--crossposting & creating .sig files
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:14:42 GMT
            <JAAPJL.92Aug31124301@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov>
            <8SEP199222254020@rosie.uh.edu>
Reply-To: asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
Distribution: na
Organization: Foundation for the Increased Wealth of Chipmunks

Written in article <8SEP199222254020@rosie.uh.edu>
 by lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino):

:>
:> The name of the .sig file is newsreader-dependent.  RTM (Read the Manual).
: What manual.  I have no manual.
:
: What do you suggest I read that is not dry and covers what I
: need to know?

Sorry, those qualities are mutually exclusive.

-- 
The Chipmunk.
Opinions are mine, void where prohibited, taxed, licensed or regulated.
Dammit, how many times do I have to tell you?
FIRST you rape, THEN you pillage!!
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: micah@hardy.u.washington.edu (Micah Anderson)
Subject: Re: Macintosh Newsreader??
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:32:13 GMT

Always check archie sven: telnet quiche.cs.mcgill.ca login: archie
and then type prog <whatyouwanttoserchfor>

some other good sites are:
Australian users: archie on archie.au (139.130.4.6), login "archie"
og European users: archie on archie.funet.fi (128.214.6.100), login "archie"
 UK users: archie on archie.doc.ic.ac.uk (146.169.11.3), login "archie"


This is what I got:

Host garbo.uwasa.fi   (128.214.87.1)
Last updated 05:54  9 Jul 1992
 
    Location: /mac/comm
      FILE      rw-rw-r--    270720  Apr 14 11:18   nuntius11a2.sea
 
Host nic.funet.fi   (128.214.6.100)
Last updated 15:36  5 May 1992
 
    Location: /pub/mac/comm
      FILE      rw-r--r--    270720  Apr 14 11:18   nuntius11a2.sea
 
Host src.doc.ic.ac.uk   (146.169.2.1)
Last updated 17:24  5 May 1992
 
    Location: /mac/umich/utilities/communications
      FILE      r--r--r--    360861  Apr  5 06:04   nuntius1.0.sit.hqx.Z
 
Host wuarchive.wustl.edu   (128.252.135.4)
Last updated 04:16 10 May 1992
 
    Location: /mirrors/info-mac/comm
      FILE      rw-rw-r--    367682  May  2 07:31   nuntius-11a2.hqx
 
Host uhunix2.uhcc.hawaii.edu   (128.171.44.7)
Last updated 21:32  8 May 1992
 
    Location: /mirrors/info-mac/comm
      FILE      rw-r--r--    367682  May  2 12:31   nuntius-11a2.hqx
 
Host f.ms.uky.edu   (128.163.128.6)
Last updated 06:48 20 Jul 1992
 
    Location: /pub/mac/communication
      FILE      rw-rw-r--    270720  May 13 14:19   nuntius-11a2.sea.bin
    Location: /pub/mac/communication/Desc
      FILE      rw-rw-r--       222  May 13 14:20   nuntius-11a2.sea.bin.desc
 
Host garbo.uwasa.fi   (128.214.87.1)
Last updated 05:54  9 Jul 1992
 
    Location: /mac/comm
      FILE      rw-rw-r--    267776  Apr 23 09:06   nuntius11a2src.sea
 
Host akiu.gw.tohoku.ac.jp   (130.34.8.9)
Last updated 03:55 25 Jul 1992
 
    Location: /pub/mac/comm/MacTCP
      FILE      rw-r--r--    592156  Jul  8 14:23   nuntius-11-src.hqx
      FILE      rw-r--r--    414291  Jun 26 19:06   nuntius-11.hqx

go for it!
From: galeana@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Newsgroups missing
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:07:00 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University

I have been through many newsgoups in msgs.  I posted to some newsgroup and
later I received a response that told me to look at a certain newsgroup.  I
tried to call it up but msgs told me that the folder doesn't exist.  So I went
looking for it and it wasn't there.
My questions are:  Is it up to a university to pick which newsgropus will show
up in there msgs section?
2nd:  Is there a way to telnet to newsgroups and if so how can I do that?.
        Any responses or replyes would be greatly appreciated.
                        THANK YOU
From: ai118@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Zidonis)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: mirror site
Date: 8 Sep 1992 15:22:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ai118@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rich Zidonis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


What is a mirror site?
-- 
Rich

bitnet    ai118%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
Internet: ai118@cleveland.freenet.edu
Xref: sparky news.answers:2898 alt.buddha.short.fat.guy:16
From: ska@trigger.ksu.ksu.edu (Sanjeev K Akkina)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: What is this?
Date: 7 Sep 1992 11:07:29 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: trigger.ksu.ksu.edu



What is this group about?  If this is like a computer newspaper with updated reports (i.e.,
prodigy or compuserve), please send email to me about it.  Thanks
Newsgroups: news.newsites
From: root@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (Dave Parks)
Subject: Plex-1 map update;
Organization: Plex-1, Michigan's Public Access Usenet Gateway  (Ann Arbor).
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:25:22 GMT

#N	plex-1, plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us
#F	vela.acs.oakland.edu
#S	Plexus P/35 68000 ; Unix Sys5.2
#O	Kite-Net LTD.
#C	Dave Parks
#E	root@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us
#T	+1 313 663 2247 
#P 	1439 Kirtland  Ann Arbor, MI 48103
#L	42 18 N / 83 45 W city
#R	Ann Arbor's -NEW- Usenet News Backbone site currently feeding 11 sites.
#R	Online read/post accounts, mail: accounts@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us
#U	destroyer.rs.itd.umich.edu  iunet.ann-arbor.mi.us   heiftez.msen.com
#U	arbortext    ganglion    mousetrap    suntec1    unisys    toadstool
#U	qflag    fog    claxen    loft    n8mdy
#W	root@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (Dave Parks); Wed Aug 9 22:22:00 EDT 1992
#
# Updates of this map entry should be sent to Bob Leffler,
# uucpmap@vela.acs.oakland.edu
#
plex-1= plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us
plex-1  kitenet(LOCAL),
	iunet(LOCAL),
	upose(POLLED),
	ohriman(POLLED),
	netmeg(POLLED),
	toadstool(POLLED),
	suntec1(POLLED),
	unisys(POLLED),
	vela(DAILY*4+FAST),
	m-net(DAILY*4),
	caen(DAILY*4+FAST),
	destroyer(HOURLY*2+FAST),
	heifetz(DEMAND+FAST),
	ganglion(POLLED),
	mousetrap(POLLED),
	qflag(POLLED),
	arbortext(POLLED),
	claxen(POLLED),
	n8mdy(POLLED),
	loft(DAILY*2),
	fog(POLLED)
-- 
sharkey!m-net!kite    Public Access   Altos 68020 UNIX Sys-III (313) 994-6333
sharkey!kitenet!kite     "     "      Altos 68000 UNIX Sys-III (313) 663-7255
vela!plex-1!root       Usenet News    Plexus P/35 68000 UNIX SysV.2  663-6207
  -- You can mail Dave Parks at these addresses, or phone (313) 663-2247 --
From: system@P2.F7.N366.Z1.FIDONET.ORG (Postmaster)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: Hello
Keywords: New Site
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 22:47:32 cdt
Distribution: world
Organization: The MainFrame BBS point #2 1:366/7

Being in this environment is truly a challenge to an OLD
Fidonet man.  Well, not old.  I'm 24 and am self employed.
Glad to network into this organization!
 
Well, hope to make some new friends here....
Valinor!valinor.mythical.com!prophit
or how ever that goes...I'm learing!

Postmaster
Internet : system @P2.F7.N366.Z1.FIDONET.ORG
UUCP : uunet!valinor!prophit!system
From: stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: New Site PROPHIT [u.usa.fl.1]
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 17:14:10 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: (What? Organized??) - Mythical Computer Systems


#N      prophit, p2.f7.n366.z1.fidonet.org
#S      MS-DOS 4.01, FD-2.10
#O      The MainFrame BBS
#C      Denver Prophit
#E      prophit!postmaster
#T      +1 904 654 4604
#P      308 Benning Drive, Destin FL 32541-2412
#L      30 23 52 N / 086 32 47 W city
#U      valinor
#W      valinor!stu (Stu Labovitz); Thu Sep 3 19:52:00 CDT 1992
#
#       Fido 1:366/7.2 running Remote Access and UFGATE
#       this is a FidoNet <-> UUCP/Internet gateway site
#
prophit=  p2.f7.n366.z1.fidonet.org
prophit	  valinor(DAILY*2)

=============================================================================

   Stuart L Labovitz                    Internet:  stu@valinor.mythical.com
    (insert standard disclaimer here)       UUCP:   uunet!valinor!stu

   Duct tape is like the force.  It has a light side, a dark side,
      and it holds the universe together.      --- Carl Zwanzig
=============================================================================
From: ti@bazooka.amb.org (Ti Kan)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: New site BAZOOKA [u.usa.ca.10]
Date: 9 Sep 92 05:01:16 GMT
Reply-To: ti@bazooka.amb.org (Ti Kan)
Organization: AMB Research Labs, Sunnyvale, CA.


#N	bazooka
#F	sgiblab.sgi.com
#S	AMB i486 Tower; UNIX System V/386, UnixBBS (UniBoard)
#O	AMB Research Laboratories
#C	Ti Kan
#E	ti@bazooka.amb.org
#T	+1 408 736 1481
#P	449-E Costa Mesa Terrace, Sunnyvale, CA 94086
#U	sgiblab
#L	37 23 N / 122 02 W city
#R
#R	Gateway server at AMB Research Labs, for special projects in
#R	hi-fi audio.  Also featuring Bazooka BBS, your free Usenet
#R	News and Internet e-mail Connection.
#R
#R	Log in as "bbs" at the following numbers:
#R	+1 408 736 0118      300-2400 bps
#R	+1 408 736 3071      2400-38400 bps V.32, V.42/bis, MNP4/5
#R
#W	ti@bazooka.amb.org (Ti Kan); Tue Sep 08 21:20:38 PDT 1992
#
bazooka	.amb.org(LOCAL)
bazooka = bazooka.amb.org
bazooka = amb.org
bazooka	altos(DIRECT), sgiblab(DIRECT+FAST)

-- 
    ///  Ti Kan                vorsprung durch technik
   ///   AMB Research Laboratories, Sunnyvale, CA. USA
  ///    ti@bazooka.amb.org
 //////  ...!{decwrl,synopsys,tandem,tsoft,ultra}!sgiblab!bazooka!ti
///      ...!{uunet,sun,apple,sco}!altos!bazooka!ti
Newsgroups: news.newsites
From: johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki)
Subject: Map Update for Gordius, OC, CA.
Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:08:02 GMT


#N	gordius
#F	gordius.gordian.com
#S	Sun IPC; 4.1.1
#O	Gordian
#C	John Kalucki
#E	johnk@gordian.com
#T	+1 714 850 0205
#P	20361 Irvine Ave., Santa Ana Heights, CA, 92707-5637
#L	33 38 N	/ 117 55 W
#R	Uucp feeds for netnews and mail available to Orange County sites
#W	johnk@gordian.com (John Kalucki); Wed Sep  9 13:04:27 PDT 1992
#U	news.service.uci.edu micom bagdad whitney xphoton surfcty mcgort
#U	presoft odetics
#
gordius	.gordian.com (LOCAL)
gordius	=gordian.com
gordius	micom(DEDICATED), bagdad(HOURLY), whitney(HOURLY), xphoton(HOURLY),
	surfcty(HOURLY), mcgort(HOURLY), presoft(HOURLY), odetics(HOURLY)
From: bas@ftlcpu.UUCP (Bronislaw A. Skiba)
Newsgroups: news.newsites
Subject: New Site in NH
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 11 Sep 92 01:48:30 EST
Organization: 2-Fast Computing

#N	ftlcpu
#S	Commodore-AMIGA; AmigaOS v2.04 & Amiga-UUCP V1.16D
#O	2-Fast Computing
#C	Bronislaw A. Skiba (Bruno)
#E	ftlcpu!bas
#T	+1 603 894 7136
#P	32 Bluff St., Salem, NH 03079
#L	42 47 40 N / 71 11 45 W city
#R
#U	
#W	ftlcpu!bas (Bruno Skiba);Tuesday July, 28 1992 02:56 AM
#	Site(s) that we actually call.
#
ftlcpu	decvax(DIRECT)

-- 
--Bruno
Bronislaw A. Skiba:...decvax!ftlcpu!bas |DoD# 888                |
Amiga2000HD,running AmigaOS v2.04       |Computers are tools...  |
"Ren...Will you read me a story?"       |Amigas are instruments! |
"Read you a story!...Read it yourself!  |Multitasking-Just do it!|
Newsgroups: news.admin
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Hasan B Mutlu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:36:10 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe):
>Waffle was neither developed on a Sinclair nor is it a Foobar USenet
>system.

It's worse: It was developed under MS-DOS.

Until the MS-DOS community produces someone sufficiently (1) skilled,
(2) motivated, and (3) altruistic to write a KILL processor for
Waffle, lack of a KILL feature will be the price of using Waffle.

No one is forcing you to use Waffle, you know.

Users get the OS they deserve.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: "Computers graphic when it comes to porn"
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:33:04 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <1992Aug31.160640.23258@news.columbia.edu> dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:
>   Consider the oft quoted '"fire" in a theater' example. Certainly here is
>an example where speech is harmful, right? I don't think so. I think that
>the content (and therefore the speech) is unimportant, and that the crime
>is causing a panic, and not some aspect of illegal speech. It wouldn't
>matter if I had shouted 'poison gas' or some other uniformly understood
>threat. Or it could be specific to the audience. Shout 'Iguana' in a room
>packed with the annual meeting of Lizard-phobes, and you'll create the same
>effect.

Wait a sec -- if you *didn't* say "Fire!" in that theatre, the panic
would not have been started.  You say the panic caused the death/injury
to the bystanders, *I* say the shouting of "Fire!" caused the panic.
This then devolves to deciding where you draw the line on cause and effect.

Of course it is the ideas conveyed by speech that cause damage (in this
case, the idea that if you don't get out of the theatre, that you will
likely suffer from burns and/or smoke inhalation).  But it is the speech
that conveys the ideas.  Ideas are cannot be subject to any real form
of regulation.  Speech can.  Therefore the laws address "speech which
is likely to cause imminent harm".


The point is, if you didn't shout "Iguana", the idea wouldn't get 
across, so it *is* the speech which is the key point.


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