From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:10:09 GMT

hsims@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>In a previous article, psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow) wrote:
>>In article <1992Dec29.175100.20873@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> 
>>decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
>> 
>>Yes Dean I can support my assertion, I will provide you with excerpts from 
>>a Planned Parenthood official, census data,  a gynological journal.  I 
>>don't have them here,  but I at least want to reply.  I feel very safe in 
>>assuming that no matter what statistic I have, you and a host of others in 
>>this group can cast a negative spin.  
>> 
>>Even if you can come up with a conflicting set of statistics (and by THEN 
>>I mean, prior to Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton), it still wouldn't change 
>>the fact the the 'coat hanger/back alley ' ploy is a red herring.  If I'm 
>>wrong, I 'm not off by much, not enough to warrent the slaughter of 
>>millions of children to spare the life of a relatively low number of women 
>>who would choose to break the law.  This is the REAL issue.  The sad part 
>>is that the pro-aborts present as fact that thousands of women will surely 
>>die if abortion is outlawed.  There is nothing to support this whatsoever.

>There is plenty of evidence to support this.  Ever hear of Romania?  Check 
>out the October 1992 issue of the American Journal of Public Health (volume 
>82, issue number 10).  An article titled "The Public Health Consequences of 
>Restricted Induced Abortion - Lessons From Romania" begins on page 1328.  

Romania is not the U.S.  Our health care system is far superior to theirs.
When you make these ridiculous comparisons you undermine the already
waning credibility you claim to have.


>Some of the findings:

> 	"In the 23 years of its enforcement, the antiabortion law in Romania 
>	resulted in over 10,000 deaths of women from unsafe abortion". 

>	"For the decade 1980 to 1989, the average Romanian maternal mortality 
>	rate was 150 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births.  Many women 
>	obtained abortion illegally, and every year approximately 500 
>	otherwise-healthy women of childbearing age died from postabortion 
>	hemorrhage, sepsis, abdominal poisoning, and trauma".

>And in response to your comment about "... not enough to warrent the slaughter 
>of millions of children to spare the life of a relatively low number of women 
>who would choose to break the law":  Notice that many of the women who died 
>did not break the law.  Antiabortion laws resulted in the deaths of many 
>law-abiding women from complications of pregnancy and childbirth.

>And the children that these women were forced against their will to give birth 
>to did not have a happy ending.  According to the article:

>	"Although the number of children institutionalized before the	
>	overthrow of the Ceaucescu government is unknown, shortly after the 
>	revolution approximately 150,000 to 200,000 children were in 
>	institutional care.  Warehousing children in institutions overwhelmed 
>	the health care system and reduced the standard of care. ...several 
>	thousand severely retarded and handicapped children are likely to 
>	remain in institutions for the rest of their lives".

Ahh.. I see.  Once again you can play God and impose your judgement of who
has a fulfilling existence on whether or not they have a right to live.


>	
>>- Paul
>				
>				.... Heather.


Your arguments are getting so weak they become almost too funny to take
seriously.



Edward Simmonds

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