From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Sectarian Iran and Mr. Ibrahimi!!!!
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:23:57 GMT
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada


    In article: <3576@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk(A. Jaber)
writes:

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>>These is the standard way of Ba'athi thinking. If Iran caused 2
>>million deaths in war, who started the next agression in region? Was it 
>>Iran who invaded Kuwait, and consequently gave the opportunity to west
>>to fullfil the unfinished mission of Sadam Hussein: DESTROYING WHOLE
>>IRAQI NATION, or it was again the brutal and murderer Ba'athi army headed
>>by yor master, sadam Hussein?
>
>	You have been lately listening to too much TV mr Ibahimi. The
>	UN which has condemned Iraq for returning Kuwait to its owners
>	is the same UN that is blessing the SLAUGHTER of Muslims in 
>	both Palestine and Bosnia.


    Which part of my sentence is refering to UN? And how do you prove
that invasion of Kuwait was "returning it to it's owner", while many of
this Arabic countries were created after the colapse of Othoman Empire?

>	It is an honour for any body being it Saddam or any one else
>	to regain Kuwait back from the criminal Sabahs. I thought your
	leader Khomeini was calling them Criminals. Are you standing
>	with the Criminal Wahhabis in Arabia and Kuwait. I know you will
>	stand with any body against Iraq so I congratualte you over this
>	new cosy relationship between the Monkey King Fahd and your 
>	Rafsanjani. Good Luck.


    How about saddam's alliance with the same criminal wahabis in Arabia
and Sabahs in Kuwait during 8 years of war against Iran? When they were
selling 300,000 barrels oil per day from neutral zone and depositing 
the whole income to Iraqi accounts, and they were letting Iraq to use
the space of Bubian island to attack Iranian basis and ships, etc. Are
you implying that only Sadam's alliance with these guys is legitimate?
    I'll never stand with anybody against Iraqi nation, but I'll proudly
help anybody who can free the Muslim nations of region from a murderer and
expansionist Ba'athi like Saddam, the thing that both USA and Saudi Arabia
showed during aggression desert storm that are not willing to do. For my proof
refer to my original aarticle, in which I showed when and where USA stopped to
pursue Saddam Hussein, the thing that you have skipped very easyly
without any answer! 


>>I have never denied the damage, in fact I carry part of damage with
>>myself allways(which of course is non of your business). The campaign
>to liberate Jerusalem was started by Islamic Revolution long before
>>Iraqi invasion of Iran. In fact this campaign was the main reason
>>for zionist Iraqis to start war against Iran, in order to prevent
>>Islamic world from uniting and starting real struggle against occupiers
>>of Palestine. As you have never presented any document for your baseless
>>claims, I won't bother to ask you to present your evidence about the
>>Israeli weapons used by Iran. 
>
>	Zionist Iraqis. ?? Is this the education that you have been
>	getting from your Imam.
>

      No. This is a fact everybody knows. for example look at the 
founder of Ba'ath party, Michel Aflagh. was he a Muslim? Or look at
the rule of Mikhael Youhana Aziz in Iraqi regime. Isn't he a real
Zionist? Also look at the service done to Israeli by Saddam Hussein
when he attacked Islamic Revolution and prevented Muslims from being
united against Israel.

>	Iran wanted to liberate Beit-Al-Maqdis by sending help to thugs 
>	in Lebanon to kill Palestinian refugees. My friend I lived in
>	these camps and I saw in my own eyes how much the Iranian
>	supported Amal killed of Palestinians.

      Everybody knows that since the abduction of Imam Musa Sadr, the
founder of Amal, this organization started to deviate from it'f first
goal, which was keeping the flame of Palestinian Jihad alive in Lebanon.
The abduction was before the victory of Islamic revolution in Iran, and
after that Iran has noting to do with Amal. Iran is still supporting
real Palestinian Mojaheds, and not people like Yaser Arafat, who sold
the Palestinian Jihad for the sake of blind Arabic nationalism by
supporting Saddam in his aggression against Islamic revolution.

>>I know. This war will not finish, until all the resources of poor 
>>Iraqi nation have been sacrificed for saddam's expansionism, as allways,
>>toward his Muslim neighbors and not the real enemies of Islamic Ummah
>like Israel. 
>
>>	For your knowledge the only Arab who wanted to reach parity and 
>	stand up for Israel was Iraq. Iraq will do that with or with out
>	Saddam and the Khomeinists will always be enemies of Iraq with
>	or with out Saddam Hussein becasue we are the Sons of Yazid.
>	It is time that people like you wake up and tolerate other
>	Muslims.

    Oh, yeah? I've seen by my eyes the scars of Israeli invasion of
Syria in Qunaytare in 1973, when Iraqis sent soldiers to Syria and
encouraged Syria to start the war, and then when thousands of your
Arab brothers were besieged by Israelis, your hero army retreated
without shooting a single bullet.
    You may be Yazid's son, but the Shi'a majority of Iraq, who are
being masacred in southern marshlands of Iraq by Ba'ath army, are
not. We certainly tolerate other Muslims, but we can't tolerate
Saddam's crimes against Islam and humanity.



>>The bad people whom you are talking about, are the same people who 
>>actively participated in war agianst Iran, by attacking Iranian
>>oil platforms in Persian Gulf, attacking Iranian navy, shooting down
>>Iranian civilian airliner, letting Iraq to borrow bilions of Dollars
>>from US banks for agricultural products and spending them to buy scud
>>missiles and chemical weapons, etc., keeping a blind eye on chemical
>>brutalities of Iraqi army against Iranian soldiers and Iraqi Kurds, etc.
>>all: TO PRESERVE SADDAM HUSSEIN IN POWER.  
>
>	It is a pity Is not it ?
>	They done all this to you, they gave Iraq so much money and
>	weapons all of them, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia and France and the
>	USA and they shot your navy and Civilian ailiners and now they
>	are your allies and friends just because they turned against
>	Iraq.

    you are right about the first part, because even you can't deny the
deepness of western helps to Iraq against Iran. But the second part is
again one of your stories. I appreciate if you could show a single
sign of alliance between Iran and this guys.


>	All the talk that was coming from Radio Tehran about the Wahhbis
>	in Arabia have stopped over night for the sake of helping the
>	Wahhabis against Iraq.
>
    Not only all those talks are still coming, but also the Saudi
propaganda about Iran and Shi'a still is going on. For example ask
those who have participated in Haj this year, to see how many books
were distributed and how many speeches were given against Iran. It only
needs two non-blinded eyes and a pure consious.

>	Ya Allah help the Muslims for this alliance between the Wahhabis
>	of Arabia and the Khoenists in Iran. May Allah bless this
>	alliance.

     Ya allah help the Muslims from  a criminal aggressor like
Saddam Hussein and his Ba'athi gang.

>
>>Yes. And poor Saddam Hussein has not done any harm to poor Iraqi
>>nation? If you are not aware of what's going on in Northern and
>>Southern Iraq by ba'athi army, then keep quiet and don't talk about
>>what Saddam is doing for Iraqi nation.
>
>	Please tell us what we do not know. I guess your source comes
>	from the Pentagon? or May be from your new Wahhabi friends in
>	Riyadh.

     No. My source comes from over one Milion Iraqi Kurds who came
to Iran last year after brutal masaceres by Ba'athi army. My source
comes from Halabja in which 5,000 Iraqi Kurds were chemically masacered
by Saddam Hussein, and from hundreds of Kurdish vilages fllatened by Ba'athis
in the opperation named "Al-Anfal". It comes from the ruines of Karbala
and Najaf, in which Shi'as were killed by thousands. You are such
a bad-informed guy!!!

>>Mohammad
>
> A Jaber
>
Mohammad