From: steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter)
Newsgroups: mtl.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: Denied access to English schools?
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:55:15 GMT
Organization: Securiplex Technologies Inc., Montreal, Canada
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From article <BtJvLD.I18@ireq.hydro.qc.ca>, by beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard):
> In article <1992Aug25.085646.12416@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>>From article <1992Aug25.063838.25321@cc.umontreal.ca>, by dignard@ERE.UMontreal.CA  Michel Dignard waxes:-
>>
>>> Je me retiens d'exprimer le profond degout que ce debat m'inspire,
>>> [stuff deleted]
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> From now on in this article, let us thus "speak white", as those of
>>> my generation - and I personnally - were often told when trying to
>>> [stuff deleted]
>>> ...
>>
>>  "speak white" - interesting choice since Quebec's limitation on access
>>  to English schools is similar to that for access to "white" schools in
>>  South Africa.
>>
>  
> Dummy or illiterate you are, Steve.  "Speak White" is a frequent
> demonstration of racist of anglos against francos.
                   ^^^^^^
                (  racism     -  "illiterate" yourself :-)  )

  Like "Pas d'anglais dans la classe!" is a frequent demonstration of
  [racism] of francos against anglos in French classrooms - using your
  logic, Denis?

  What do you understand by the phrase "Play the white man", Denis?

> Moreover, your comparison with South Africa is quite similar to Nazi
> comparison.

  What Nazi comparison?

  Are you saying Bill 101 is like Nazi Germany regime? - I never made
  any such comparison.

  What did you mean?
  

>  Why don't you prepare to come back to your England?
                            ^^^^
                             go   (unless you are in England, Denis :-) )

   "From this point forward, as a Canadian citizen, you will share
    fully in the rights and privileges enjoyed by all Canadians.
    At the same time, you assume the special responsibility of 
    protecting and preserving the principles of democracy and 
    human freedom which are the cornerstones of our nation."

          Serge Joyal, then Secretary of State, in a letter
          addressed to me on the occassion of my obtaining
          Canadian citizenship in 1984.

   I'm perfoming my duties and obligations as a Canadian citizen!

> 
>>> 
>>> So, let us leave this facist, racist and paranoid country,
>>> where not only any individual have always been free to speak
>>> the language of his choice, 
>>
>>  WRONG!!!!
>>
>>  More than 10,000 English-speaking children are not allowed to attend
>>  school in their own language.
>>
>>  (Not to mention Bill 178)
>>
> 
> 7 millions of francos where assimilated and humiliated because of
> illegal laws in Western Canada.  We just don't care about your silly
> problem.

  What's the difference between assimilation and humiliation of
  francos in Western Canada and assimilation and humiliation of
  anglos in Quebe?

  Why is one a "silly problem" and the other not?

  I fail to understand that - please explain it to me, Denis.


  Tell me also: who is meant by "We"?

> 
>>> but where the English community
>>> has only 3 universities, its own public school system, from primary level
>>> to college level inclusive,
>>
>>  Not all members of the English community have access to these facilities
>>  in Quebec!!!!!
>>
> 
> It is their choice.  Most anglos outside of Montreal lived for 2 centuries
> like if they were in England.  It is the slave revolt, no more privilege.
> Point.

  What is who's choice?
  ----    -----             (two questions there)


  What have anglos outside of Montreal in last 2 centuries got to do
  with whether or not my children are allowed to attend school in their
  own language?

  What slaves?

  What privilege?

> 
>>> its own hospitals ..., all of this guaranteed
>>> in the laws and voted in English.
>>
>>  WRONG!
>>
>>  Bill 101 prohibits access to English school in Quebec from more than
>>  10,000 English-speaking children.
>>
> 
> You are annoying everybody with your limited mind.

  Not nearly as much as one is annoyed by being told that one's child
  has been declared "ineligible" for instruction in his own language. :-{

> 
>>> Let us leave this segregationist country
>>> where the English community is not only guaranteed to survive, but wants
>>> further to assimilate to itself a great majority of the new arrivers.
>>
>>  WRONG AGAIN!
>>
>>  ALL "new arrivers" are required to send their children to French school
>>  in Quebec.
>>
>>  Quebec governmant policy is for "All immigrants must be assimilated".
>>
> 
> Because it will be elected, if it do so.  Thus, you will have to
> convince 3 millions of electors they are wrong.  With what you shown
> until now, you have no chance.

  We'll see!

> 
>>  The English community gets a small percentage of "new arrivers" and
>>  most of those move out of Quebec pretty darn quickly when they find
>>  out how racist, discriminatory, fascist and intolerant this province is.
> 
> Why don't you move yourself, instead of insulting Quebec and Quebecois???

  I chose to live in Montreal - I like it here despite the existence of
  people like Denis.

  We have been thinking of going back to England ever since we came
  here. The house is falling apart; the '79 Chevy is going rusty in
  the front yard. We still don't feel welcome or settled here, Denis!

  Who is being insulted, really?

> 
>>
>>
>>> [With fascist laws, proportion has dropped from 80% to 40%, I think.
>>>  Historians, please refer to Prof. Castonguay numerous studies on the
>>> subject.]
>>
>>  I'll look this up to confirm but I'm sure it is much less than 40%!
>>
>>> 
>>> So, let us go to a NON FASCIST, NON RACIST, NON PARANOID country.
>>> Choices are numerous, I guess, in the kingdom. One could go to the USA,
>>> CANADA, ... Let us choose Toronto, for example. 
>>
>>  Quebec is part of Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> We don't care.  Quebec is not yet part in the 1982 constitution.

  Whos is "We"?

  Quebec has been a part of Canada since what, 1867?

  For a school system that has been teaching an extraordinary amount
  of Quebec history in the classroom I find it surprising that a student
  thereof, such as Denis, would not know when Quebec became a part of
  Canada. (Perhaps he wasn't paying attention :-)

> 
>>> [stuff deleted]
>>> ...
>>
>>
>>  I think he's trying to suggest that the English minority in Quebec is
>>  the most privileged in the world. So that justifies trying to take their
>>  individual liberties away, right?
> 
> Actually, it was for centuries, but now the paradise is out.  Noway to
> come back.  Not for people like you, at least.
> 

  Such tolerance and understanding <:-]

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