From: grohol@novavax.UUCP (John Grohol)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: /T/ Scott Tai, Fraud, and You!
Keywords: tai
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:14:59 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL


You know, it's funny. After months of voting, discussion, and
thought, rec.org.mensa came into being. I hit "nn" today, like
I do most days, and scan through my listed newsgroups. Today,
I find no less than half the posts to rec.org.mensa not talking
about Mensa as an organization, or as a group with an established
charter, which has been around for decades and is generally
respected, but instead, one person's posts flaming the
group OVER and OVER again on the same points, the same
grounds, without change, without meaningful discussion.

Yes, luckily, I can now kill all the messages related to this
fool (which I will do shortly), with the addition of this
nice "/T/" in the subject line. But I must admit I think
it's rather sad that a forum that was set up specifically
for the purpose of discussing the merits, as well as the
pitfalls, of this organization is overrun by one zealot
who can only focus on the pitfalls.

Ever since you began posting, Scott, I thought of three
really useful things you could do to further your cause,
because that's exactly what it is -- a cause, not a discussion.

1. Join Mensa. Join it FAST. And further your questions
to the people in the organization who may or may not have
answers for you. Still not satisfied? Run for President
of the organization and/or work for change from within.

2. Continue posting, without pause, here on this
group. Yes, make this group into something it was
never intended to be. Overrun this group with your
same gripes, week after week, day after day. Have little
sensitivity for the people in this group and those who
worked their asses off to begin it.

3. Begin a new group, something like rec.arts.mensa.questions.
Stop posting here. People, and I've seen dozens of people,
try, TRY so hard to respond to your criticisms, but you
are unrelenting in your argument and don't even change
or allow for contradictory evidence in your replies. This
discussion with you is hopeless and was from the start.
NOBODY can change your mind. This doesn't mean you were
right and we were wrong, or vice-a-versa. Only that
communication, for all useful purposes, has seriously
broken down.

When I first saw this newsgroup appear, I thought, Great!
Someplace where Mensans and non-Mensas who are interested
in the organization alike can join together in a discussion
about whatever... but my interest in this newsgroup has
been completely put off by your close-mindedness and need
to force others to listen to your arguments, regardless
of the actual evidence that shows otherwise. You refuse
to cite specific studies and tend to talk in broad,
generalizations which do no justice to those described.

Thanks for ruining my enjoyment of this group. I truly 
appreciate it.

-John

-- 
 "And everybody used to hang around him.  ::  John M. Grohol, M.S.
  And I know why. They said:              ::  Cntr for Psychological Studies
  There but for the grace of the angels   ::  Nova Univ, Ft. Lauderdale, FL  
  go I." -- Laurie Anderson               ::  grohol@novavax.nova.edu
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