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From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Canada = Aca Nada, Not.
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:04:46 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <1992Apr14.113136.11261@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>
>I was leafing through a book on Canada the other day and I saw a reference
>to the spurious "Aca Nada" story that dated back to the 1600's.  
>
>Folk legends die hard, it seems.

	Heh. Just ask Craig Shergold...

								James Nicoll
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: heckman@kingcong.UWaterloo.ca (Gerald Heckman)
Subject: Re: A note on sarcasm (When do we stop being...  
Keywords: Terribly, terribly long. 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:38:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.181526.15803@watserv1.waterloo.edu> schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.161127.24944@watserv1.waterloo.edu> heckman@kingcong.UWaterloo.ca (Gerald Heckman) writes:
>>In article <SBO.92Apr14201118@froh.vlsi.polymtl.ca> sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher) writes: ...
>>                      ... An authoratative guide to recognizing sarcasm.

[...]
>Hahahahahahahahahaaha!
>
>Stephane and you surely gave us a good show.
>
>I know indeed the "excrutiating pain" of explaining a joke.   ;-)
[...]

>I have just one comment: I'm not sure those silly games
>of hide-and-seek are of your age, both of you...    :-)))))

I can't speak for Stephane, but "la verite sort souvent de la bouche
des enfants" ... ;-) 

- Gerald  

Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: mackenzi@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Paul Mackenzie)
Subject: Re: Rosemere
Originator: mackenzi@Aragorn.McRCIM.McGill.EDU
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 15:08:24 GMT


From reading La Presse and Le Devoir (with the aid of my trusty 
French/English dictionary) I have surmised that principally the
referendum was a legal issue.

Consider:

A group of francophones in Rosemere petitioned l'Office de la Langue 
Francaise to revoke bilingual status based on the fact that francophones
made up the majority of the population.  Since it is the job of l'OLF to
look into such petitions, they did.  They found the statistics to be true,
and thus they declared Rosemere unilingually francophone.  This was in 1988.

Then, in 1990, la Cour superieure revoked this revocation because it said
that the municipality had not been consulted.  So, Mayor Deschenes decided
that a referendum would act as his answer to the consultation of l'OLF.

Somewhere along the way (as always) lots of other things appeared.

--Paul
From: boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (boris)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:19:30 GMT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:

> When these immigrants moved to Canada they didn't expect the country
> to be german or italian. The french-canadian originally created this
> country. It is only normal that they whant to keep their culture.
I have to butt in here and correct you, France created much of the 
original colony. The french canadians explored much of the east and had 
only started their expansion west of the great lakes when the colony feel 
-fell into british hands. the french canadian continued to contribute 
much to the canada's but now the "creation" was taken over by the 
british.  All of BC was "created" by the british canadain and the two 
cultures had little influence on the vast northern territories. The 
acadian canadian did much for the atlantic as did the scots and 
loyalists. The french and the scots and the english 'created' much of 
manitoba. The red river valley settlement of the scots under lord selkirk 
did more to build manitoba than anyone except the metis under riel.
  Do not use such words as "created".  It was here all along.
Canada consists of more than just the east. The french didn't influence 
much past manitoba. The country consists of the amalgamation of many 
colonies and settlements. Some like BC, with no french influence at all.
Technically "canada" was an act of the british parlament.
l
> 
> >Well, for one Quebec is not a nation. 
> 
> Of course Quebec is a nation!
Unfortunatly for you that is currently untrue. Quebec is a province of 
canada with strong nationalist tendancies, yes. But a nation is 
recognized as a nation by a soveriegn state other than itself. there is 
criteria to meet which Quebec currently does not. 
  Wishful thinking aside, you are wrong.

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Newsgroups: acadia.cs.chat,can.general,can.jobs,ont.general,ont.jobs,comp.jobs
From: dooley@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Kevin Dooley)
Subject: Re: CS Job Market: What Is The Story?
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Distribution: canada
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:03:14 GMT

The CS job market only *appears* to be tight right now because of the
recession.  I suspect that as soon as employers start turning a buck
at a faster rate employment will once again pick up.  By way of 
comparison, I am currently finishing my PhD in theoretical physics
and as soon as I am done, I will be looking for a job in software
because there are NO jobs in physics.  Part of the problem with cs
jobs is that there are a lot of people like me around who slop over
from other fields to pollute your job market.
		Kevin
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: stevew@tsltor.uucp (Stephen M. Webb)
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Organization: Teleride Sage Ltd.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:22:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.011017.17271@watserv1.waterloo.edu> schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) writes:
>
>No, no smileys were required. Most of French Quebeckers on this net will
>say it: we ARE a nation.
>
>This distinct society thing was accepted by Quebec federalists because
>TROCians could not accept the idea of "nation".
>
>But it does not change our feelings. We feel we ARE a nation.
>Take an honnest look at our 2 societies in Canada. 2 solitudes, many
>have said. 2 nations, I would say.
>

Okay, one more time.

The Quebecois ARE a nation (anyone who denies this should consult a better
dictionary before letting their knee jerk.  The word "nation" under "N").

Canada does NOT consist of 2 (two) nations.  Canada is a federation of
territories in which reside numerous nations as well as a substantial 
number of people of other nationalities.  In the territory of Quebec, the
dominant nation is the Quebecois (also known as french-speaking Quebecers).
The rest  of Canada is dominated by a nebulous, vaguely identified nation
wrongly referred to as "English Canada" for lack of a better name.  The
problems in most of the discussions on this news group have arisen because
these names are inaccurate: the Quebecois are not the only nation in
Quebec, and TROC is neither a single group of pukka British sycophants,
nor is a "the rest of youse" a less than insulting concept.

Quebec is NOT a nation, nor is it a state or a country right now.  The 
Quebecois ARE a nation, and their can be no debate about that.

_______
Stephen m. Webb

Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: goss@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Timothy D. Goss)
Subject: Re: CS Job Market: What Is The Story?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC., Orleans (Ont)
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 04:35:45 GMT

I think the major problem with educational programs in Canada is a lack of
QUALITY.  Not that the programs are of poor quality, but the students they
push out are of little value to most employers.  I couldn't believe it myself
when I took an ENTRY LEVEL Modula-2 course in my last year (newly introduced
course).  A few other upper year students also took the course and STRUGGLED
through it.  I didn't lose a single mark, and that's the way it should have
been for my friends but it didn't work that way.  They had trouble with the
language AND with the simple concepts (linked lists, multi-dimensional arrays)
this is stuff that should come to them in their sleep.  Some of the people
receiving degrees in this country just paid for the paper, they really don't
have a clue what's going on.  Until someone imposes some STRICT standards on
the educational institutions, Canadian universities just won't see the big
company recruiters come breaking down their doors.  These are the sad but
all too true facts.

Newsgroups: can.general
From: lermer@theory.chem.ubc.ca (Noah Lermer)
Subject: Re: Canada = ?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: can.general
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 06:17:36 GMT

 s36238f@kaira.hut.fi (Tim Klemets) writes:
>I'm curious to hear where the name Canada comes from.  What does
>it stand for?  It doesn't sound extremely English to me, but not
>like any indian language either.  (No, I don't know any indian
>language).
>
>

As far as I can remeber, Canada is an amerindian word (I don't know which
band) that means "group of huts" or "meeting place", which is rather comical
if you've been following some other threads in this group...

Bruce Hollebone. (Reading News from a freinds account)
hollebon@cemaid.chem.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Subject: Re: A note on sarcasm (When do we stop being...  
Keywords: Terribly, terribly long. 
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:00:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.181526.15803@watserv1.waterloo.edu> schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) writes:
>You know, I heard a constant fear in arab cultures (surely others also)
>is to lose one's face ("perdre la face" in French: be embarrassed...).

There is equally strong desire in most east Asian cultures to save face too.
Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai, etc.
I won't invite flame wars by rating which culture values that "face" most,
except to observe that the Chinese (my ethnic background) is not at the
head or the tail end of the list.

>I think that to some extent, either or both of Stephane and you,
>have been trying to "sauver la face" (save the face; refers to the
>same expression; is there an equivalent in English?).

Yes. See above.

>Sylvain Chamberland
>University of Waterloo
>Waterloo, Ontario


        Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada
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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Distinct/Nation (was When do we stop being outsiders?)
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:05:02 GMT
Organization: Hydro-Quebec

Distinct may mean superior if you want so.
THis in French and in English.

See this example in French:
M. X s'est distingue aux Jeux Olympiques.

something like
Mr. X was distinguished at Olympic Games. 

Thus, in some circumstances, and probably that some media or some
people said that because in some circunstances, distinct may mean
being superior, then in the context, Quebec considers as superior
and want the word distinct for that reason.

But, the actual meaning is "different", some, the game of some media
to change the reality is still working!


-- 
    Denis Beauregard       _ _ _ _  Collecting Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca | * | * | Promoting use of QC as Quebec Postal Code
  Andre Jarret, sieur de  |===|===| Mes opinions?  Oui, oui, les miennes!
   Beauregard 1642-1992   |_*_|_*_| My opinions?  Yes, yes, mine!
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: heckman@kingcong.UWaterloo.ca (Gerald Heckman)
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:02:58 GMT

In article <9702@s3.ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
>In article <SBO.92Apr8195121@walhalla.vlsi.polymtl.ca> sbo@vlsi.polymtl.ca (Stephane Boucher) writes:
>#In article <1992Apr1.173245.6854@cattnts> craig@cattnts (Craig Campbell) writes:
>#   In article <9643@s3.ireq.hydro.qc.ca> beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard) writes:
> 
>#   >Federal forbids any publishing of documents proving that Quebec
>#   >secession can be done economically.  Last year, C.D.Howe institute
>#   >got a blame for such a document.
>#
>#   Perhaps because it can't be done economically. I don't know. But if Quebec
>#   did leave, they could definitely take their share of the national debt with
>#   them.
>#
>We are already paying our share of the federal debt.  I don't see what that
>change and it is thus irrelevant.  But, if federal bannish 
>publication of this kind of documents, this prove that (1) they are
>disturbing the reality to try to prove secession is negative; (2)
>they know they have no real argument to keep Quebec in Canada.

No, this proves nothing, because as usual, you haven't supplied us
with any proof to back up your claim. Perhaps it is you with your
wild allegations who is "disturbing the reality" or who has "no real
argument". Prove it Denis. Prove the government of Canada forbids
publications.

And if your English, which I find excellent by the way, doesn't allow 
you to respond, I'll say it in French.

Non, ca ne prouve rien, parce que comme d'habitude, tu n'offres aucune
preuve pour soutenir tes affirmations. C'est peut-etre toi avec tes
insinuations sans preuves qui "perturbe la realite" et qui "n'a pas 
d'arguments veritables". Vas-y. Prouves-le, Denis. Donnes-nous la preuve 
que le gouvernement du Canada a interdit des publications. 

Je ne demande rien de subtil, Denis - je ne demande que des preuves.

>    Denis Beauregard   _ _ _ _  Collecting Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent

Gerald P Heckman
Universite de Waterloo,
Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
Newsgroups: can.general
From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Canada = Aca Nada, Not.
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:31:37 GMT

In article <881277m.104.703258683@ace.acadiau.ca> 881277m@ace.acadiau.ca (WALLACE MCLEAN) writes:
>
>	As for Canada derived from Spanish "Aca Nada", this is a classic 
>example of what is called folk etymology. Put no more trust in this than you 
>would in the story I have heard about Quebec being derived from the French 
>"Quel bec". Near where I live there is a river called the Kenemou (three 
>syllables). My great-uncle used to tell the story of how a cow escaped from 
>the farm, met up with a caribou, and asked it "Can you moo?", ergo the name. 
>Folk etymologies are fun, but they can cloud the true provenance of a word 
>or place-name.

I was leafing through a book on Canada the other day and I saw a reference
to the spurious "Aca Nada" story that dated back to the 1600's.  

Folk legends die hard, it seems.

-- 
Mike Godfrey   	           		"Either that wallpaper goes, or I do."
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT      	         	-- allegedly, the last words
migod@turing.toronto.edu			   of Oscar Wilde
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: thomas@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Thomas Jelonek)
Subject: Re: A really nice, fuzzy love letter for Sylvain et al. ...
Originator: thomas@Davinci.McRCIM.McGill.EDU
Organization: McGill Research Center for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:38:00 GMT


In article <1992Apr16.032221.3260@IRO.UMontreal.CA>, plante@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Frederic Plante) writes:
|> In article <29EC51DA.588D@telly.on.ca> evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
|> >In article <1992Apr15.052142.14128@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
|> >	schamber@watserv1.waterloo.edu (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) writes:
|> >
|> >>If I find that most TROCians feel the same way as your man, well
|> >>I may change my opinion about Quebec separation.
|> >>
|> >>Still, if I keep seeing Diane Francises and other dinosaurs like Getty,
|> >>it won't help.
|> >
|> >For every Getty there is a Lucien Bouchard.
|> 
|> Well, ok.
|> 
|> >For every Diane Francis there is a Lise Bissonette.
|> 
|> What?  Do you really know Lise Bissonette?  She is a very good journalist.
|> She hold very balanced views.  
|> 
|> Have you ever read one of her editorials?
|> 
|> Frederic Plante

Lise Bissonette is incredibly narrow-minded and naive. Her views on 
the states role in cultural activity place her somewhere between 
Andrei Zhdanov and Francois Mitterand (only she wouldn't allow Eurodisney). 
She is someone who is obviously well educated but equally as obvious not
very bright. Personally, I think she doesn't understand culture at all, 
regardless of how many essays she writes on the topic.

Thomas
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From: boris@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (boris)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:28:21 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

audetf@Software.Mitel.COM (Francois Audet) writes:

> In article you write:
> >  Do not use such words as "created".  It was here all along.
> >Canada consists of more than just the east. The french didn't influence 
> >much past manitoba. The country consists of the amalgamation of many 
> >colonies and settlements. Some like BC, with no french influence at all.
> >Technically "canada" was an act of the british parlament.
> 
> Not so. Canada didn't start in 1867. Before, we had the Union of
> Canada, and before, Upper and Lower Canada. Before that,
> Nouvelle-France covered about 3/4 of North America.
Again I think you are in error. West past the great lakes the french 
presence was mostly small settlements of fur trappers/voyagers and 
trading posts strung out along the river routes. not much more. in fact 
much of manitoba on west was hudson's bay company territory that was 
really controlled by the aboriginals until after the dominion was formed. 
West of the mississippi was considered to be spanish territory and the 
new england colonies were very british until thier independance.
 That takes up about 3/4 of the north american land mass.
new france was definatly concentrated along the st lawerance river. most 
of what is now quebec's north was unsettled by the french until way 
afterr they had lost the louisianna territories.
  The past of the french in north america is not as extensive or grand as 
you make it out to be.
> 
> 
> >> Of course Quebec is a nation!
> >Unfortunatly for you that is currently untrue. Quebec is a province of 
> >canada with strong nationalist tendancies, yes. But a nation is 
> >recognized as a nation by a soveriegn state other than itself. there is 
> >criteria to meet which Quebec currently does not. 
> 
> As the other posting said on the net: NATION != COUNTRY. You don't
> need to be a COUNTRY to be a NATION.
> 
> The Kurds are a Nation, the flemish are a nation, the palestinians are
> a nation, etc.
> 
> Another example: the tcheques and the slovaques are two separate
> nations in one country, Tchecoslovaquie. (I didn't how to spell these
> in english).
> 
> -- 
> Francois Audet
> Telephone: (613) 592-2121 x1754
> Internet: Francois.Audet@software.Mitel.COM

you are correct on this point. After the last several days of posts here 
I will admit that the french quebecers are a 'nation'. 
  I now stand corrected.

boris

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From: coady@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Coady Michael)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: When do we stop being outsiders? (WAS Re: The Journal on ...)
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:40:38 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Evan Leibovitch suggested that the media in Quebec and in English
Canada should carry columns by "rabid federalists" and "rabid
nationalists", respectively.  It is worth noting that a step in
this direction was taken several years ago when the Globe and Mail
began a column by Lise Bissonette, later replaced by Lysiane Gagnon
when Ms. Bissonette took over Le Devoir.  Similarly, Le Devoir later
began a column by Jeffrey Simpson, a regular Globe columnist.  Granted,
there is a hint of incest in the complementary columns, and none of
these people would appreciate being described as rabid (nor being
pigeonholed as nationalist or federalist).  It is, however, a step in
the right direction.

Mike Coady
COADY@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA
Newsgroups: can.general,ont.jobs,misc.misc,can.jobs,misc.jobs.contract,misc.jobs.resumes,misc.jobs.misc
From: ileung@ee.ubc.ca (LEUNG ISAAC JING H)
Subject: Looking for a summer job...
Organization: UBC Electical Engineering
Distribution: can
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:36:16 GMT

 I've seen a few job wanted postings here so I assume it's okay to put these up here.

To be brief, I'm lloking for a summer job.

However, a little more information would probably be helpful.
	
	I'm a 3rd year Engineering Physics student (Electrical/Computer Science option), so I'll
have courses and skills relevant to those areas. I've worked on DOS,UNIX  programmed in Smalltalk, C, ...
	Last summer, I worked at IBM as a Systems Engineer, where I got plenty of practice installing Novell networks, dealing with customers, some programming and miscellaneous other things.

   	Does anyone possibly have any need for these skills?? (or should I transfer to be an English major (no offense))

	I'd be more than happy to send anyone interested my complete resume or any other information you need. Of course, I'd prefer to work near Vancouver, but I'll take a job anywhere, even if it's not in Canada!

Thanks a lot for you attention.

Isaac Leung
ileung@unixg.ubc.ca
ileung@mars.ee.ubc.ca
Newsgroups: can.general
From: amdunn@mongrel.uucp (Andrew M. Dunn)
Subject: Opinion in .Sig file representative?
Organization: A. Dunn Systems Corporation, Kitchener, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 16:03:47 GMT

In article <41768834@bfmny0.BFM.COM> in newsgroup comp.unix.sysv386, 
tneff@bfmny0.bfm.com (Tom Neff) writes in his .signature:
-- 
Annex Canada now!  We need the room,    \)      Tom Neff
    and who's going to stop us.         (\      tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM


Whaddya folks think?  This should spark at least a couple of comments.
I presume from the machine-name that Mr. Neff is somewhere in NY State.

Inquiring Canadians want to know!  :-)




Andy
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