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From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Apology
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:04:25 GMT
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
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Well, after receiving some less than flattering mail I feel it's necessary to try once
again to clarify my position. News/email has the unfortunate problem that its
easy to read things in a sentence that were not intended. I had written a private
letter to Mr Gary Newell explaininig what my comments were. Since others of you
have taken the time to call me a racist (I don't think so) white (definitely not so),
I will now forward the contents of this letter to all of you.

-Bennet

From bih Wed Aug 12 10:02:58 1992
From: bih (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
To: gln@cs.arizona.edu
Subject: this is not a flame
Cc: bih
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Hi... funny, as soon as I delivered that last posting, I knew exactly
what you were going to say. I will refrain from any name calling and
and baiting and I hope if you should choose to reply you will show me the
same courtesy.

You say my position is racist. I don't agree and this is why: Part of
King's famous speech included the phrase (I don't remember exactly so
feel free to correct me) "I dream of a world where a man is judged by
the content of his mind, not the color of his skin...". 

I am not judging anyone by the color of their skin (BTW, for reference
I am asian and went to a public, desegregated high school. ). I don't just
blindly say, "He's black; he must be a great athlete". And I have
already asserted that I don't think blacks are less intelligent. 

To me a racist is someone who passes judgement on another solely by race
without knowing anything about the person. This is what you referred to
as a "blanket generalization".  I am not saying that. All I am saying
is that certain physical characteristics may occur more frequently in
some races than others (hence my earlier comment on why we look different)
and that some of these differences may contribute to athletic performance.
Nothing more. If you still think that's racist, that is your right. I would
hardly call my position a radical one. Thank you for your time.

-Bennet
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From: MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com
Subject: Re: it's official: Bird is gone
Organization: StorageTek SW Engineering
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:57:06 GMT

In article <Bt6up4.LGK@apollo.hp.com>
stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) writes:
 
>
>12:00 noon, Boston:
>
>Introduced by comments from Red Auerbach and Dave Gavitt, including the
>declaration that he will be remembered as one of the "top five" players in
>basketball history, plus Gavitt's assessment that there was never a greater
>player "from the shoulders up and from his wrists to his fingertips", Larry
>Bird announced his retirement. He said that the idea of playing only home
>games next season is not an idea that he would consider because that simply
>isn't his approach to basketball or to anything. It had to be all or nothing.
>He said he "didn't want to go out this way" (meaning with a bad back), but
>that it isn't a sad day for him. He said "the daily competition" is what
>he'll miss most of all, that his life now would be "really boring", and that
>adjusting to no more professional playing is going to be very difficult for
>him. He said that his goal had always been to win 5 NBA championships with
>the Celtics, but that it didn't happen, and so "we still have to work to do",
>indicating that he intends to stay a part of Celtics operations. He even
>said that he "can't" sell his house in the Boston area because of the
>memories it holds for him. In q&a with the press, he offered a few career
>reminiscences:
>
>Dennis Johnson: "The best player I ever played with."
>Robert Parish: "The best teammate I ever played with."
>M.L. Carr: "The funnest player." (Typical Birdism.)
>Kevin McHale: "The best inside player in the game."
>Michael Cooper: "The best defensive player I ever faced.
>                  I'll take that with me to my grave."
>
>He identified the Celtics' 80s rivalry with the Philadelphia 76ers as the
>best of his career, even better than the later Lakers playoffs.
>
>Things are suddenly very quiet up here.
>
I find myself with mixed emotions.  Larry Bird is one of my favorite
players, and one of the greatest of all time, so I am sorry to see his
era end.  On the other hand, it was heartwrenching to see him struggle
against his back problems, so I am glad he is retiring now.  I think
the Celtics are a much better team with a healthy Larry Bird, but the
constant adjustments with his constantly being in and out of the lineup
really hurt them.
 
I will always treasure the memories of Larry's great years.  There will
never be a smarter basketball player.  Thanks, Larry, and good luck.
 
Jim McMaster
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:35:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM's message of 14 Aug 1992 14:12:20 GMT

>>>>> "Bennet" == Bennet Ih <bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM> writes:
	[lots of stuff deleted]
  Bennet> This observations by the way are from my experience in pick-up games.

Need I say more? Well I will.

Organized basketball is too different a game from pickup to provide much
insight into basketball skills. Especially defensively, where in a pickup
game the concept is a dirty word. There's also very little concept of
offensive plays, picks, offensivie positioning. On an organized team, you'd
better be good at these things or the other team will eat you alive.

The basic physical skills are the same, but there's a whole lot of other
things at the organized level that are just as important.

--
xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU  	Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez

They can't come on and play me in prime time, 	    | Free Millipede coin op
Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.	    | and House music at my
I get on the mix late in the night... -Public Enemy | place! Drop by sometime.
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From: cs4cb3@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Peter Granic)
Subject: Pippen's Renegotiated Contract (from DT vs. Kukoc)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 19:10:06 GMT


In earlier threads called Kukoc vs. DT (or vice versa), I discussed the
options the Bulls had in renegotiating Pippen's contract during the 
Toni Kukoc negotiations.

Many people claimed the Bulls were required to negotiate with Pippen
first.  Here is a small clip from Saturday August 15 Toronto Star about
Mark McGuire, who will become a total free agent at the end of the 
current season with the Oakland A's.  

Page B3, Toronto Star, Saturday, August 15, 1992, by Neil MacCarl

Would Deal Have Spoiled McGwire?
	The last two years, Mark McGwire and his agent asked for a multi-year
contract and didn't get it from Oakland general manager Sandy Alderson.  Now
he's eligible for free agency at the end of the season, and there's no
guarantee he'll stick with the A's.  He's making $2.65 million this year and 
had contributed 37 home runs before last night, and he's only 28 years old.
"He's having a great year," Alderson admits.  "But would he have had a great
year with a multi-year contract?  Maybe.  Maybe not."

Peter Granic

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From: floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich)
Subject: Re: HE'S BACK (Re: Debunking ... [and other bullshit])
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:47:45 GMT

gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
>> And Gary, well said.	Devils over the Cats in Basketball this year - you
>> 			heard it here first.

> Are the Sun Devils even going to have enough players to put 5 on
>the court??? Anyone over say 6'3"?


Nope, but that's just a matter of genetics.  Oops, sorry, I'll shut up.

Floyd Goodrich
floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com
From: Richard.S.Miyara@dartmouth.edu (Richard S. Miyara)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic Uniform - Reebok
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:00:09 GMT
 <1992Aug11.183956.15455@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Aug11.183956.15455@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) writes:

> If they didn't zip up the jacket, the collar draped down over
> the Reebok logo.  Look on the cover of last weeks Sports Illustrated
> to see the logo.

Got my SI the same day I sent the original post.  I guess they  all hid
it pretty well during the medal ceremony as I couldn't see it - even on
those without the flags draped all over themselves.

Rich Miyara
From: speednut@csource.oz.au (mark jose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: The Olympics and Mr. Barkley
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 21:56:07 +1000
Reply-To: speednut@csource.oz.au
Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia

G'day all,
 
Seeing as there has been a fair bit of controversy concerning Mr. C. Barkley
I thought it may be pertinent to paraphrase an article that appeared in
the Melbourne "Herald-Sun" on 14/8/92 (US: 8/14/92), titled "Barkley misses
kicking butts".
 
Disclaimer:
        This article is reproduced only in part, and only quoting persons
        interviewed.
 
----------------------------
BARKLEY MISSES KICKING BUTTS
----------------------------
 
After watching the Boomers (Australia) thrash Puerto Rico the Americans
came out to play Angola. [Sounds a bit like Teddy Bear's Picnic! ;-) ]
 
"During the game Charles was up to his normal antics, throwing a few elbows
and carrying on and he copped a tech foul," Boomers guard Andrew Gaze said.
 
"In a moment of emotional outburst, we were sitting directly behind their
bench and, excluding profanities, he said: 'You guys are next; we want you
and we're gonna kick your butts,' .. that type of thing."
 
The article then goes on to comment about the comments made by Smyth and
later by Borner (re: E. Johnson) and that if Australia played the US, Gaze
was expecting Messrs Smyth and Borner to have to "deal with" Charles and his
"antics".
 
"According to PJ (Carlisimo, US assistant coach) my coach at Seton Hall, I
think some of the players in our team may not have come out of the
particular game unscathed had we played them," Gaze added.
 
The article then goes on to state that Gaze met Barkley before the US's game
against Croatia and that away from the court Barkley was a different man and
appeared to be a humble, modest and first class guy.
 
"He was just the nicest bloke you could ever meet - very friendly," he said.
 
---------------------------
End of article
 
Still, maybe Gaze can say this because he wouldn't have been one of the
guys that would have to "deal with" Barkley. :-)
 
I believe Gaze was sincere in his comments.
 
Cheers,
Mark.
 

.........................................................
mark jose
speednut@csource.oz.au  Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia
The opinions expressed above are that of the author only.
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: Shaquille O'Neal contract
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:10:40 GMT

jte@beefheart.cc.columbia.edu (Jeff Eldredge) writes:
>No, this is not what's happening at all.  Chicago was lucky enough to  
>draft what turned out to be probably the single greatest player to set  
>foot on the court.  Combine that with some savvy pickups like Pippen, who  
>was buried somewhere deep down in the draft pile, Grant, whose draft  
>position I can't remember, and a bunch of other smart trades.  Yes, their  
>success was brought on by a combination of judicious front-office moves  
>and excellent teamwork on the part of their very talented players.   
>However, the salary cap had virtually nothing to do with this.

For the record, Pippen wasn't 'buried somewhere deep down in the draft
pile'.  He was chosen 5th overall by Seattle in the '87 draft but was 
sent to Chicago for the rights to Olden Polynice and other considerations...

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird is retiring
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:59:40 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <Bt6o87.Hq1@apollo.hp.com> stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) writes:
>
>------------------------FLASH----------------------------------
>Tuesday 8/18 10:20AM
>
>Boston media is now reporting that Larry Bird will announce his 
>retirement at a noon Celtics press conference today.
>---------------------------------------------------------------

He certainly did. Celtics' own WEEI-SportsRadio 590 carried the whole
newsconference and now in the mourning stage by having Dee Brown,
Rick Fox, along with Celtics' play-by-play man Glen Ordway and his mid-day
show sidekick Janet Prensky taking phone calls from devastated fans/listeners
with Bird's Celtics play-by-play moments interspersed in-between.

The amount of shocked fans calling WEEI in disbelief of Bird's walking
away from the game is staggering. It's certainly was expected. 


-Mark
Sad but not shocked. Happy that George Bush and all the sick-in-the-head
Republicans will get zero attention in the Boston media in the next few
days.
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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Bird Retires
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:03:07 GMT

Its almost official.  The Celtics will be holding a news conference at noon
to tell the public that the Bird era is over.

Andy
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Blazer's offer to Mario Elie...
Date: 12 Aug 92 03:47:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug12.034706.15491
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix

heinka@sequent.com (Heinka Peterson) writes:

>If he plays small forward, that means he will be competing with Jerome
>Kersey and Tracy Murray for playing time.  Can someone share the

Based on height, he seems more like a shooting guard backup.  That's
tough, because Drexler loves to play, but he'll probably get some
minutes at small forward, too.  He's smaller than Drexler, who plays
some small forward, too.  I could see him in a ball-hawking, scrambling
defensive second unit along with Strickland, Drexler/Kersey, Robinson,
and Bryant.  That's a lot of talent in 3 key spots to throw against
somebody else's second unit.

>This would be a good idea because Kersey has trade value (hustle,
>running and leaping ability and free-throw efficiency...ok that last
>one was a joke).  However, the question arises if they trade Kersey,

I don't think Kersey is tradeable.  Not for much.  He may be an all-time
hustler, and a fan favorite, but he's not very big, his scoring has
dropped consistently over the past few years, and he can't be counted on
to make the outside jumper or free throws.  Still a good player for the
Blazers, but if I could trade him for David Benoit, I'd do it in an
instant.  If you could put Kersey's heart in Duckworth's body ...

>one in the Olajawon/Mutumbo/insert-an-effective-center-here, then
>bringing on Elie seems like a good idea. Comments?

Not going to happen.  The Blazers would have to destroy their team to
get Olajuwon and get under the cap, although a Duckworth-Kersey-Strickland 
trade for him would be OK by me.

>If Elie plays 2 guard, we have a similar situation with Drexler,
>Strothers and Tracy Murray.  Too many bodies in my book.  Again,
>another piece to a big trade may unfold. Thoughts?

Strothers would have been cut last year if he hadn't gotten injured.
With Murray signed and Elie probably going to be, he's in trouble.  The
Blazers have starters and backups at all positions signed.  They don't 
need to sign Pack, Strothers, or Dave Johnsen, so the pressure is on
them to produce, or show clear signs that they're keeping for a while.  
And I'd like to see another backup at the center position, possibly 
even Cooper.

--
jamesd@techbook.COM    Voice: +1 503 646-8257 
PDaXs gives free access to news & mail. (503) 644-8135 - 1200/2400, N81  
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From: ins598w@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Roger Tall)
Subject: Dream Team vs Rest Of World???
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:15:00 GMT

No there is not such a match that is going to be staged, I just wanted
to voice my opinion on the topic and hear other people's suggestions as
well.

If the Dream Team were to play a Rest Of World Team, who would you put
on the Rest Of World Team (ROW)? (ROW cannot have any US born players!)

I do not know a lot about overseas basketball but seeing the Olympics
has got me thinking.  

To start off I would have these players
:
Oscar Shmidt (The great Brazillian player)
Tony Kucoch (The 6'9" guard for Croatia)
Andrew Gaze (Australia's best player [well I live here])
---- Marchillenis (Another Croatian who plays in the NBA)
---- Tickenyenko (The CIS experience player [seen him in Aust.])

Well there is a start!!

I may have opened a can of worms here but I think it is a good question!

Sorry about the spelling errors in the players names!

Send your suggestions in: either to this article or 
			  e-mail me at-
				ins598w@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au

That's all for now.  Hope to here from anybody soon!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Subject: Lakers???
Originator: cmgrawbu@c00414-313mn.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:06:11 GMT




Does anyone have the latesy word from the Lakers??

I saw the posting of the rosters, or almost rosters.
Does anyone have an official roster yet??

Are there any trades in the air???

How is Worthy's knee and Perkins shoulder????

What's the deal with Magic???


Thanx!!!

Chris
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From: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Subject: Re: cba/nba?
Reply-To: st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:37:39 GMT

In article <BszEI2.38n@apollo.hp.com>, stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) writes:
>
>Ok, I still don't get it. This Monmouth guy, Alex Blackwell, gets signed by
>the Lakers, drafted #2 in the CBA by Wichita Falls, then traded to a different
>CBA team....all in the space of two days. Does this 2nd CBA team get to keep
>his rights, whether or not he stays on the Lakers roster?
>
>A similar thing happened with Dell Demps (whoever he is). He's been signed
>by an NBA team (Milwaukee? San Antonio?) but was also drafted by a CBA team
>about a week later.

   He's signed by the Warriors.
>
>How can a signed NBA player be drafted by the CBA? Is it legal for him to have 
>two separate contracts since the two leagues are two separate entities? Does
>a player simply decide if he wants to make himself eligible for both leagues?
>I'd guess that he'd do this in a case where he knows he'll be questionable in
>the NBA, but assured of $$$$ and playing time in the CBA.
>
   I don't know, but I think a lot of players have contracts with both NBA
and CBA teams, considered that more than 70 players last season had spent
time in both leagues.

>In other CBA draft notes, I see the re-emergence of one of the greatest names
>in sports history - Smokey McCovery. Where has he been, Europe?
>
>                                           -stuart@apollo.hp.com
Edward Hui
From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: It's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:53:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug14.145306.25592
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

|> 1)  Will the Knicks be given the monicer "Satan's Team II" for taking Daly from
|> the Pistons?  Or did Daly just clean the bad reputation from his suits by
|> moving to New York?
|> 
|> 2)  Can Riley turn the New Jersey Nets into a contender?
|> 

	I think you're a biut confused. Daly went to New Jersey, and Riley
is at New York.

-- Venk Reddy --
From: afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: American bias
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:20:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug17.185955.20653@ll.mit.edu>, nates@ll.mit.edu ( Nate Smith) writes...
>In article <s6iRRB3w165w@csource.oz.au> speednut@csource.oz.au writes:
>> 
>>It is amazing how he can read American bias into anything...[]...
>>mark jose
> 
>i couldnt let this slip by while i was Fast-Scanning this article.
>mark?  in the states there has been an enormous amount of endless
>verbiage going on for months & months about reading Boston bias into
>just about about every event that has a key effect in a boston celtic
>win.  have you ever seen the Meeks==Lor flamewars??  i think they only
>have a usa distribution....
> 
>count yourself Lucky Jose.  :-)
> 
>- nate
>+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>|       Reggie Lewis was HACKED mercilessly by Ehlo!!!!!                 |
>+------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Can we please stop the whining? Its been months now, and its very clear 
that the Cavs were a better team than the Celtics, and I can't believe a 
fan of a team that has won so many times, can whine when it doesn't, AND, 
it wasn't even robbed. If the Cavs would have had the experience they have 
now, they would've never lost the leads in the games the Celtics won. 
Listen to Bob Ryan... The Cavs are better, the Cavs are better, the Cavs 
are better!!!

Now, stop whining, and look forward to some exciting rebuilding, and enjoy 
the fact that you have the priveledge of looking back on some great teams, 
with some great players, that gave you one hell of a last run last year.



Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland
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From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: John Turner leaves the Rockets
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:40:23 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

To make up for my Charles Smith contract error (it is one year only), let's
see if I can get this straight:

  Houston Rockets' forward John Turner will play next year for CAI Zaragoza
of the Spanish ACB league. 

--Robert Clough