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From: mike@nttor.uucp (Mike Hollander)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:02:42 GMT
Organization: Northern Telecom CAC

In article <cboerm48.724742530@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
(In reply to Roger Tang's reply to ... to my article)
>
>I personally disagree with what the origanl poster was writing. But I must
>say that I'm rather unimpressed with your atempts to refute the writer as
>well. I agree that Star Trek does have the possiblity to make great strides
>in showing how women and minority groups are looked at in the future 
>(hopefully not as anything different than others). But, that's not the 
>purpose of Star Trek. It's a Entertainment show, not a political comminary
>or anything. I'd like to see someone other than a white-man (human?) in 
>charge of the Enterprise, but on the other hand, I'm not going to get pissed
>off at TPTB if it doesn't happen. 
>
I won't get pissed off if it doesn't happen either. I just think
having a female regular series captain would be a great idea.
I realize the political realities are such that it likely will
not occur, but still there's always hope! 

As for Star Trek being just entertainment, it has had lots of
political commentary from the 'first interracial kiss on TV'
to speeches about respecting individual liberties to all sorts
of other examples. A female regular series captain would be
just another in a long string of understated political
statements (and some not so understated).

Mike Hollander | mike@nttor.UUCP
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Troi's Uniform: RESULTS!!
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:07:09 GMT


	Okay, here's the deal: Due to the fact that we had a holiday
thru here and there was a lack of News Service ('least over here)
and becuase I've had a few requests and just cause I want to, I'm
going to extend the vote til next wednesday (Jan 6th). I've recieved 
to date (Wednesday Dec, 30th) 78 replie. This is more than 1.5 times
as many as I hoped for.

	If you have cast a vote, thanks, if you havn't GET TO IT! :)
Send them to: cboerm48@calvin.edu with a subject of Troi's Uniform.
You can include a simple Yes (for standard blue medical uniform) or
No (for more pj-type purple bodysuit). 

	And, the moment you've all been waiting for:

			The RESULTS!!!!!!! (or temporary standings at least!)









And the results are a WHOPPING 72 Yes's to only 6 No's!! :)

	Yes the people have spoken, now yet's just hope TPTB are listening!
As Spock or Data would say: "92.30769231 percent of those who voted 
requested that Troi wear a standard uniform."

	Amoung those reasons stated for yes were 'She looks more professional',
'This gives her some respectablity, she isn't a sex symbol anymore' and
'As part of the crew, she should wear a uniform, she looks better and
more like a officier.'

	Amoung those reasons stated for no were 'Less Uniform, More Breasts'
(Yes, ladies and gentlemen, that was a actual quote.)


	Well, as I said, I'll still collect votes for another week, then I'll 
post the results again in the same manner.



					CtB
From: avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picards french lines
Date: 29 Dec 1992 14:05:09 GMT
Organization: ICASE/NASA Langley
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec28.125620.1163@mala.bc.ca>, dunae@mala.bc.ca writes:
>In article <1hnaruINN1he@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, avik@icase.edu (Avik Banerjee) writes:
>> so what does it mean?? (for those of us who dont speak french).
>> 
>>> Sur la Mon D'Avignon
>>> Sur la pont, d'Avignon (On the bridge of Avignon
>   Oni(?) Danson(?)  .... (this is all Picard gets out...)
>>> On danse ( We are dansing)
>>> Oni(?) Danson(?)
>>> On dansent ( We are Dansing)
>   Sur la Mon D'Avignon
>>> Oni Danson Tu ta round. (Pardon my french... :-)
>>   On dansent, tu la ronde ( We are dansing, all around)


now why do i doubt that picard would scream lines from a song
about dancing to a man who had been torturing(sp) him? i think
t. lynch's synopsis had him screaming something about your still
a little boy 6yrs old, or something to that effect. that makes more
sense than a childs song (all responces have stated to some effect that
they were taught the song in their early school years). 

foomshanka


avik@icase.icase.edu
From: bw462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bucky Whaley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's garbled dialogue (was Re: Lynch's Review of CoC2)
Date: 27 Dec 1992 16:03:04 GMT
Organization: The Lutefisk Watch, Francophne Division
Reply-To: bw462@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bucky Whaley)
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In a previous article, rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) says:
>In a previous article, tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) says:

...
>>--Could someone with a closed-captioning decoder please let me know what 
>>Picard's final lines are after "You cannot hurt me!"  I've gone over it 
>>several times, but damned if I can make it out...
...
>	Sur la pont
>	D'Avignon
>	Loni danse, loni danse

        L'on y danse, l'on y danse


>(On the bridge of Avignon, people dance, people dance)

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From: ac999239@umbc8.umbc.edu (ac999239)
Subject: Uniform Colors...When are they mandatory?
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:43:54 GMT

Data is clearly in the command chain being 2nd Officer and all. But he wears
a gold uniform since he is specialized in engineering and the other sciences.

Spock likewise was in the command chain being 1st Officer, but since he was
specialized in the sciences (not to mention being the Science Officer) he
wore blue.

My question is why was it absolutely necessary that Data wear red when taking
the place of a 1st Officer? Or was it perhaps not abosolutely necessary, but
just took place anyway...I'm curious about this.

Also I have noticed never seeing anyone of Commander rank (Lt. Commander is not
the same thing) who wore gold. I have seen red and blue, but never gold with
3 pips. Is there something preventing this or is it just a coincidence?
You would think in 6 years someone would specialize in engineering and be a
commander!
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From: dave@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Dave Thompson)
Subject: Re: Curious and inexperienced
Organization: Communications Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:34:31 GMT

In article <168C4720F.S927797@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU> S927797@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Joe Rottman) writes:
>Please forgive my ignorance - I am new and not sure what I am doing.
> 
>Is TNG going to be replaced by DS9?
 
No it will not replace TNG.

>Do any of you know how long TNG is going to be on?

Forever I hope. As long as it is still entertaining.

>Please respond in this group - - I am not sure how to get or receive your respo
>nses.
>
From: bwoolf@pro-woolf.cts.com (Bev Woolf - Sysop)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lwaxana - Who plays her?
Date: 24 Dec 92 10:00:09 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-woolf] The Woolf's Den BBS

In <105584@bu.edu> kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar) writes:

>You can also see her in the scene in the Federation Council chambers
>when Sarek walks in.  She's standing in the shadows, although you can
>only recognize the person as a woman in a StarFleet uniform. She and
>Sarek had a scene pleaing on Kirk & Co.'s behalf. However, this was
>snipped and left on the cutting room floor. (Does Nimoy mention this
>in the director's series version of the STIV video?) I suspect this
>was meant to be the dramatic entrance of Dr. Chapel, since she was
>standing mysteriously in the shadows, not revealing who she was.
>


No, it wasn't mentioned in the director's series.  Most of what was talked
about was why ST:IV was made the way it was and how they shot the whale
scenes.


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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: DS9 Preview Film
Organization: DSC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:30:36 GMT

In article <C039Ay.Ft2@well.sf.ca.us>, emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) writes:
> 
> Now that I know there's a 56 minute film, is there anyone out
> there who would be willing to make me a copy?

I would make a copy and send it to you for my costs, if that's legal. Is that
legal?

Just email me at lesnyd@monsanto.com. I will put my trekker son to work...

Larry
From: jjwebb@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Worf and his job
Keywords: recent shootings
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 93 17:25:26 PST
Reply-To: jjwebb@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us



Someone in Michigan wrote:

> Worf does NOT deserve any respect.  Lately the CHief of Security (as
> you call him...) has been getting beat up on every episode.  How many
> times has he been shot recently?  

That's his job .. he's supposed to get shot! He LIKES it! He must ...

>The guy is always on his back when he's needed the most!

"OK kids, someone has to get shot and almost die, who's it gonna be
this week ....? Come on Children ... who's it going to be?"

"Worf?"

"Work?"

"Sure! Why not? It's his job ... Well isn't it?"

"Yeah." "True!" "well ..." "But WHY'S he do it?"

"Fundamental! Duty, HONOR, StarFleet!"

"Ohmygod .. Is this really gonna WORK?"

"It's worked for years ..."

> Compare his safety record to that of Tasha Yar, 

Yeah, HE'S alive ... Yar is just a ghost ...

> and you'll see he needs

"A Raise! The man's got a little kid ... 
Lost his wife bringing down a hostile take over of the Klingon 
Empire. Got, as role models for motherhood, a couple of Betazed's
most horny tele-empaths to watch over the boy while he goes and
fights the bad guys .." 

"and loses!" ".. sometimes he wins!"
 
"He needs a raise!" "Promote Worf!" "but .." "I don't know if .."

"Well we needn't go TOO far."

> to go back to his mommy for defense lessons.


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From: scottb@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (TheLrdLovsAHngn)
Subject: Re: The Turbo lift - What gives?
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:06:55 GMT

My guess (for the call button) is that if there is a turbo car present, the
optical (or whatever) sensors would automatically open the doors.  But if a
car was not there, then one would need to "summon" a car by pushing the 
button.  But based on TOS and early TNG, this button pushing is kind of
inconsistent.
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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Subject: Re: Why the shift from 3 to 4 section watch?
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:22:44 GMT

In <tomcat.724832370@cwis> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
>nyoung@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>So much for the writers having any experience in the "real world"
>>of military operations, eh?

>	Star Trek is not based on the military...it is based on exploration
>	which, from time to time, requires the vessels to enter combat
>	duty..but Starfleet is not a military organization.

It most certainly is!  A kinder, gentler version of the military from what
probably many of us envision today's military being like, but military
nonetheless.  Military hierarchy, military purposes (defense, with exploration
when defense isn't required), military equipment.

But regardless, his argument wasn't based on whether or not Starfleet was
military, but on the wisdom of shifting the watch rotation when heading into a
potential combat situation.

>							    Gene Roddenberry
>	got very angry when a fan (who happened to be an "Ensign" in a fan
>	club) asked him if Starfleet was, and an "Admiral" from the same
>	fan club stood up and yelled at the "ensign" saying he spoke out of
>	turn and will be subject to insubordination...Gene Roddenberry became
>	very angry and proceeded to tell the "admiral" that ST was not based
>	on the military.  Robert Justman took the microphone from Roddenberry
>	before Gene really got mad.  This was on the 25th Anniversary cruise
>	in June 1991.

Gene Roddenberry is not and was not the be-all and end-all, or the last word,
on Star Trek.  (He certainly isn't now, being deceased and all.)  Some believe
that Gene Coon had as much, if not more, control in shaping Star Trek as
Roddenberry did.

While those two club members may hav been wrong, that doesn't make Roddenberry
right.  A great deal of Star Trek has strong military overtones, and it's
impossible for me to see, in light of the episodes which have been produced
and broadcast, how Starfleet could NOT be considered a military organization.

-- 
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University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department,  Madison, WI
( Now in the Boston, Massachusetts area! )

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
			- McCoy and Kirk; Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
From: traveler@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Uniforms and their colors
Date: 4 Jan 93 02:54:32 GMT
Reply-To: traveler
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <42mr7+h@lynx.unm.edu>, greywolf@draco.unm.edu (Michael H. Tipping) writes...
> 
>   If uniform color is set to a department (as in the old series), then
>why did Data use a blue uniform in Chain of Command II?  I always thought

Maybe you need to check the color controls on your TV.  :)
Data was wearing a RED uniform on CoCII...because he was
Jellico's first officer.  He even had the right number of
pips for it.  Check again and you'll see.

--Max Clarke
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: Chain Of Command, Part I = shortened
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 26 Dec 92 22:05:40 EST

 -=> Vidiot babbled to All and look what he said! <=-


 Vi> Then I remembered the DS9 promo.  Yep, they didn't eat one of their
 Vi> all ready sold national ad spots, they ate 30 seconds of the program. 
 Vi> That break contained two minutes of ads and then the DS9 spot.

I noticed that, because the DSN promo came AFTER the 2:00 commercial
break session.  I hadn't realized that they cut out some TNG to put it
in!

 Vi> That means that Coc Pt II will be the same way.  They won't be able to
 Vi> do that for the episode following CoC Pt II, since it is a repeat.

Anyways, from what I remember, there were TWO DSN promos for CoC Pt
II...  One was after the 2:00 commercial break session but I'm pretty
sure the other wasn't.

 Vi> Now comes the fun part.  What is Paramount going to do for all of the
 Vi> repeats, give the stations 30 more seconds of ad time or edit back in
 Vi> the missing time? We will know when the episodes get aired again around

Who cares?  I'm sure Paramount leaves local stations some leeways
always.  Besides, my local station adds about an extra 15 or 30 second
commercial in each commercial break of second run TNG episodes...


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From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: `Cheers woman
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:25:39 GMT

an92@anon.penet.fi writes:

>Sacha Netters!

>My friend and I were watching STIII:TVH the other night and noticed that 
>the woman who played Savick looked very similar to that woman from 
>Cheers, was it just us or is this the same woman?  Or arewe we spending 
>too much time in front of the ol' boob tube?  :-)  ;)

Yup, that's Kirstie Alley.
From: jsblau@panix.com (Jonathan Blau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Did I miss something? Possible CoC spoilers
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:05:55 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com (Andy Sweeney) writes:

>I thought CoC was suppose to lead into DS9 with Picard
>escaping from the cardassians (sp) and ending up
>at the DS9 space station. When did this change?

When the person who made up this rumor realized he had nothing to do
with the actual production of the show.

:-)
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From: W.O. Khan <Charles_Laine@CCIS.BAYLOR.EDU>
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
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DS9 makes more sense to me.  

Mystery Science Theater 3000 is not abreviated MSTTK, it is MST3K.
From: pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Monthly Post on Third Fleet
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:51:34 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: pjb4288@ultb

Star Ships of the Third Fleet is a great way to meet people and to be involved
with the details and imagination that we all know of that is included in Star
Trek.

Third Fleet is a correspondence club that is based in Santee, California and is
under the direction of Fleet Admiral Kenneth Brannon.  Everyone from around the
country who joins is placed on a ship and assumes a position and is given a
rank.  Story lines are begun by ship captains and those story ideas are
continued independently by the crew members.  On the 15th of each month, the
crew is required to submit some form of a written report to their Captain. 
Storylines can be developed over a period of two-four months and are eventually
compiled and published for the contributors to read.

Besides the ship writing work, you can also take classes at Third Fleet
Academy.  Third Fleet Academy is based in Rio Rancho, New Mexico.  By the U.S.
mail you can take classes at either B.S., M.S. or Doctorate levels and earn
degrees in fields such as Starship Operations, Engineering, Medical, and even
Security.  

I highly reccomend Third Fleet for those of you who enjoy writing Star Trek
type of missions and enjoy sharing them with others.  There are dues which are
required yearly but they are quite reasonable.  Remember please, that this is
not run by e-mail in any way, but by the U.S. Postal Service.

If you're interested in StarShips of the Third Fleet, please write me email at
pjb4288@ritvax.isc.rit.edu and I'll be happy to forward you the needed
addresses to join or get more detailed information.

Lieutenant Commander Peter J. Boulay
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USS Galileo Galilei (NCC-8888)
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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: "what about our OTHER friends" (minimal spoiler)
Organization: Calvin College
Distribution: na,local
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:31:11 GMT

yingst@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (JIM YINGST) writes:

>> "other" = CARDASSIANS!

>Ahem.  I think what Sunil was getting at is the fact that there was *no*
>reference to "other" friends in the episode; this line was apparently 
>hallucinated by someone several days ago and has since contaminated the
>memories of far too many others.  The actual line refers only to "our
>friends", and I think it was obvious that they referred to Picard and
>company, not the Cardassians.  

Yeah, you're right they never do say 'other'. I'm not so sure that they 
are refering to Picard and the others thou. I think that they're in league
with teh Cards.

			CtB
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Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
From: albates@kryton.UUCP (al bates)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 05:38:54 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:

> skeeter@skatter.usask.ca writes:
> 
> >From article <1992Dec21.174735.22583@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, by W.O. Khan <Ch
> >> DS9 makes more sense to me.  
> >> 
> >> Mystery Science Theater 3000 is not abreviated MSTTK, it is MST3K.
> 
> Doesn't carry, if you use the line that numbers should appear as number, then
> you'de get MST3000. But they're going for a short abbreviation and so
> use MST3K (cause MSTTT looks stupid!) but DSN or DS9 look both fine so.
> I personally like DSN better cause it's three letters just like TNG, TOS
> or TAS.
> 

Right... using "skeeter"'s logic, it MUST be abbreviated with DSN,
since the show is called Deep Space NINE... not "9".

MST3K would have to be "Mys Sci Theatre Three-thousand" to make MSTTK.

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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Female role model
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:25:52 GMT

An earlier poster asked about a female that had been on the show, that
showed strength or intellegence...
I can't remember the name of the show (I'm not as deep into the series
as you folks are, I do really enjoy the series, however and am looking
forward to DS9) anyway, what about that lady that designed the warp engines
for the current Enterprise that Geordi was falling in love with on the
hollodeck.  She seemed pretty intelligent (even if this post does not).
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Sunday, 3 Jan 1993 10:05:25 MST
From: <AUTSW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9/Babylon 5 Preview Tape ...

For those I've already talked to about getting their own copy of the DS9
Babylon 5 preview tape, if you are still interested, get your money/tapes
whatever in to me soon. There may be a chance that I will get to go in
early and start making copies sooner than January 19th. So if you hurry up,
you might get it sooner... If you haven't previously emailed me, don't
bother, as I already have about 25 people who want the tape. Sorry, can't
handle more then that...
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