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Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: sgmls to latex
From: ghouston@stats.govt.nz (Gary Houston)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 01:57:39 GMT
Organization: NZ Dept of Statistics, Wellington, NZ

Hi,

I recently discovered sgml and installed the sgmls program. 

To get a feel for what it can do I have been playing around with a 
simple "memo" document type and trying to convert the output from 
sgmls to various other formats by text substitution with sgmlsasp. 
However I have found problems while using the attribute
facility. I would like to use a basic list type, something like:

<li type=arabic>
<it> first item
<it> second item
</li>

After parsing by sgmls this becomes:

ATYPE TOKEN ALPHA
(LI
(IT
- first item
)IT
(IT
- second item
)IT
)LI

Now, to convert this to latex I obviously need to replace the
(LI with something like \begin{enumerate}, the (IT with \item,
and the )LI with \end{enumerate}. 

This does not seem to be possible with sgmlsasp as it stands:
the treatment of attributes is too primitive. So I hacked up
a program to convert the output from sgmls to an alternative
form:

ATYPE TOKEN ALPHA
(LI
(IT
- first item
)IT
(IT
- second item
)IT
ATYPE TOKEN ALPHA
)LI

Now the attributes are listed whenever they are needed. I made
a few modifications to sgmls and sgmlsasp to handle this new
format, and set up a replacement table to convert to latex:

<li>            "\\begin{[type]}"       +
</li>           "\\end{[type]}" +
<it>            "\\item "
</it>           ""      +

and the output is:

\begin{ALPHA}
\item  first item
\item  second item
\end{ALPHA}
\end{memo}

which is pretty close to what's needed. Sed could be
used to translate \begin{ALPHA} to \begin{enumerate} and
\end{ALPHA} to \end{enumerate}.

However it would seem to be better if the asp table could
be extended to handle something like:

<li>            "\\begin{[type=ALPHA:enumerate]}"       +
</li>           "\\end{[type=ALPHA:enumerate]}" +
<it>            "\\item "
</it>           ""      +

and allow the conversions to be done automatically.

The second problem that I have found in converting to latex
need to escape the special characters, %$&_ etc. It seems to me 
that this should be done at the output stage, once again by
operating on the output from sgmls.

As a complete novice to sgml I am looking for some 
comments on whether what I am doing here is sensible.
Alternatively, if I am reinventing the wheel and 
utilities exist to perform some of the operations above please
let me know. 

Regards,
Gary Houston



Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: mxm@ornl.gov (MASON J D)
Subject: Re: SGML-B -- compiled SGML?
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:26:10 GMT

Keywords: SGML-B

The official status of SGML-B is that it is an approved work item in
ISO/IEC JTC1/SC18/WG8, the group responsible for SGML itself. The
editors are Dr. Charles Goldfarb, the SGML project leader, and Dr. David
Abrahamson, of Trinity College, Dublin. The project is being maintained
as officially active, with the provision that it will not be progressed
until the current review and potential revision of SGML itself is
further along. Our intention is to make SGML-B reflect whatever
revisions we decide to incorporate into the base standard and then to
make it a part of the revised standard rather than something
independent.


James David Mason
Convenor, ISO/IEC JTC1/SC18/WG8
masonjd @ ornl.gov
From: brian@sgmlinc.com (Brian E. Travis)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: RMSE
Distribution: world
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 09:39:12 GMT
Organization: 

Sorry for the multiple post. A new newsreader and poster are 
involved, but I should have tried posting to a .test group first.

That reminds me of a story about the pig and the chicken at 
breakfast...

Cheers.
Brian.

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SGML Architect,        Managing Editor,               Tele: +1 303 680-0875
InfoDesign Corp.       <TAG> The SGML Newsletter       Fax: +1 303 680-4906
From: brian@sgmlinc.com (Brian E. Travis)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Rocky Mountan SGML Entity Meeting
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:15:28 GMT
Organization: 

Brian E. Travis                                           brian@sgmlinc.com
SGML Architect,        Managing Editor,               Tele: +1 303 680-0875
InfoDesign Corp.       <TAG> The SGML Newsletter       Fax: +1 303 680-4906
From: EPO.JOURNALS@PRESS.UCHICAGO.EDU (EPO)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Journal Article DTDs
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:37:00 GMT


I am currently researching DTDs for journal articles and I would
be grateful if anyone could point me toward relevant materials. 
I have heard mention of the original AAP Article DTD and a
proposed revised version and an article DTD prepared by a working
group of European publishers, including Springer and Elsiever. 
Where can I find out more about these DTDs?  I would also be
interested in seeing any DTD that is now being used for a
scientific journal, particularly one with extensive math or
tables.

Thanks in advance for any assistance. 

Evan Owens (eowens@press.uchicago.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: bot
From: mleguerrier@idicl1.idi.battelle.org
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:42:00 EST
Organization: IDI-Dublin
Nntp-Posting-User: mleguerrier

Does anybody know if Framework supports SGML?


Mark LeGuerrier
Information Dimensions Inc.
Ottawa, Ontario
  
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
From: mxm@ornl.gov (MASON J D)
Subject: Re: SGML under WordPerfect
Keywords: WordPerfect
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:06:05 GMT

WP Corp. announced a converter for version 5.1 at the end of March.
There is an editor "that resembles . . . WordPerfect" and an interactive
validator that supports the reference concrete syntax and OMITTAG. There
appears to be some sort of autotagger. Documents can be saved either in
5.1 format or SGML. The press release says to contact Darcey Huish at +1
801 228 5506. 

Jim Mason
masonjd@ornl.gov
From: enag@ifi.uio.no (Erik Naggum)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Davenport mirror; FTP administrivia
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:40:12 GMT
Organization: Department of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway

As a service to those who have come to rely on ftp.ifi.uio.no for their
SGML FTP needs, I have decided to mirror ftp.ora.com:/pub/davenport in
ftp.ifi.uio.no:/pub/SGML/DAVENPORT.  The mirror will be updated weekly.

BTW, in the comp.text.sgml archive, by.msgid section, the file names no
longer include the delimiting brackets (<>), as this caused problems for
at least two users.  Also, the by.date section has 14-character file
names so people with old Unix file systems can copy them easier.  Other
suggestions for improvement are also welcome.  Gopher access works
again; thanks to Anders Ellefsrud.

Best regards,
</Erik>
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Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml

I have used more markup systems than I care to remember over my years
of technical writing, and I feel that one part of my job has never
been reasonably supported by any system: table preparation.

My view of tables has gone through many changes, but basically, I feel
that a table is a database for the eyes.  I have often wondered if it
might be worthwhile to create a markup subsystem for tables that is in
fact a database application.

Every tech writer with any degree of experience has faced the
regrettable task of reformatting tables to modify the sequence or
style of presentation.  Usually, the only tool for use is a text
editor.  While one can go a long way with string-manipulation macros,
they are often more treacherous than useful.

I would like to see a table preparation and editing system that allows
row data to be entered on a form, cell by cell.  Each data row gets
one form.  For any cell entry, one would have the option of
duplicating any other cell in the row (for horizontal spanning) or
duplicating the contents the same cell on any other form (for vertical
spanning).

Once the data for the body of the table is in a database, it becomes a
fairly simple matter to reorder columns, sort on any desired column,
and so forth.  Also, editing row data on a database form would be far
less likely to result in errors than editing continuous text
interspersed with markup.  Perhaps the system might also be able to
"autosort" complex tables for the most convenient conjunctions of
vertically-spanned material.

Table heads would be defined separately.  The database could supply a
source of column heads simply by allowing a file of column descriptors
for manual editing.  The creative aspects of spanning in tableheads
might make this a task which cannot usefully be automated.

Has any such table-creation tool ever been developed?  Is SGML useful
in defining such a tool?

Jim McCauley, Learning Products Engineer    **   I do not speak for   **
(that means that I write documentation)     ** Hewlett-Packard in any **
jem@cup.hp.com                              **   official capacity.   **
From: brian@sgmlinc.com (Brian E. Travis)
Newsgroups: comp.text.sgml
Subject: Rocky Mountain SGML Entity Meeting
Date: 13 Aug 92 05:37:47 GMT

The Rocky Mountain SGML Entity will hold an introductory meeting 
at the Cherry Creek Inn in Denver on Thursday, September 17 at 
5:30. There is no fee to attend. It will be held in conjunction 
with STC (Society for Technical Communiations). Users, vendors 
and others interested are invited. The group has been formed as a 
Coloardo regional chapter of the International SGML Users' Group, 
an organized membership of people who implement and use SGML. Its 
creation is intended to allow SGML users to meet to discuss 
implementation and use of the standard, participate in vendor 
demonstrations and commune with fellow users.

SGML is an acronym for Standard Generalized Markup Language. An 
international standard for the markup of text and other data, it 
allows for flexible, inter-changeable documents. SGML compliance 
is becoming a requirement for many organizations. The Department 
of Defense and all of its contractors have an SGML mandate as 
part of the CALS (Computer-aided Acquisition and Logistics 
Support) initiative. SGML proves to benefit organizations because 
it provides cost-effective solutions to a wide range of 
publishing problems. 

Agenda

    What is SGML?
        -Haviland Wright, President, Avalanche Development Company
    User Perspective
        -Paul Kennedy, Info Handling Services
    Tools and Materials Available
        -Brian Travis, Managing Editor, <TAG> The SGML Newsletter

People who would like to have dinner directly following the SGML 
meeting and before the commencement of the STC meeting, must make 
reservations by Monday, Sept.14. Reservations may be made by 
calling 232-7586. Cancellations made after Sept.14 WILL BE PAID 
FOR BY THE PARTY WHO MADE THE RESERVATIONS; SO PLEASE CALL TO 
CANCEL OTHERWISE STC WILL BE STUCK WITH YOUR DINNER BILL. Dinner 
costs $17.50, with a choice of entree between chicken piccata and 
London broil. Includes mixed green salad, vegetables, apple 
streudel with vanilla sauce, and coffee or tea. Tax and gratuity 
included. You may attend either or both meetings without having 
dinner.

The Cherry Creek Inn is located at 600 S. Colorado Blvd, Denver.

Questions about the SGML Users Group may be inquired of Linda 
Turner at Avalanche Development Company in Boulder, 449-5032; FAX 
449-3246; Email linda@avalanche.com

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Brian E. Travis                                           brian@sgmlinc.com
SGML Architect,        Managing Editor,               Tele: +1 303 680-0875
InfoDesign Corp.       <TAG> The SGML Newsletter       Fax: +1 303 680-4906
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: vosse@rulfsw.leidenuniv.nl
Subject: Re: WordPerfect File Format?
Organization: Leiden University Faculty of Social Sciences
Date: 13 Aug 92 09:45:25 +0100

In article <1992Aug12.133911.6565@sinix.UUCP>, dhg@sinix.UUCP (David Griffith) writes:
> 
> Hi. Could somebody please email me a description of the format of WP
> files, or an FTP site where I could find one?
> 

Hi.

I can't give you the format, but there is a program called
wp2latex, which (as you may have guessed), converts WP 5.0
and 5.1 to LaTeX. Although it doesn't do a very good job,
the program gave me enough insight in the structure and
meaning of WP codes to allow me to process them. You might
find it at ftp.uu.net, nic.funet.fi or any other major
archive site. You might try archie to find out where it
is. The sources are available in both Pascal and C (although
the C source isn't as readable as it is a translation of
the Pascal source).

        Theo Vosse
        ----------
        Unit for Experimental Psychology
        University of Leiden
        The Netherlands
Newsgroups: comp.text
From: schuh@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Michael Schuh RAA)
Subject: postscript in troff
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 20:54:15 GMT

Several weeks ago, I asked on this group how to include a postscript
file in troff.  I did not get back to rn until today and so I missed
many messages.  I am in hopes that someone answered my question
but I can not tell because I did not get a chance to read all
of the messages.

Two questions:

 1) How can I include a postscript file in troff?

 2) Is there an archive for this news group and if so where is it?

I would appreciate it if you would email me directly with your
response.

Thanks,
  Michael


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NASA Ames Research Center       |       Phone: (415) 604-1460
Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000    |       FAX:   (415) 604-4357


Newsgroups: comp.text
From: kit@megadata.mega.oz.au (Chris Byrnes)
Subject: DVI doco
Organization: Megadata P/L, North Ryde, Sydney, Aust.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:29:10 GMT


	I am currently working on a report generation program
	and I am thinking of producing my output in DVI format,
	prior to any further conversion and printing.

	Unfortunately I haven't been able to locate any 
	any documentation on DVI and so could you please
	give me some information on where I could
	find any DVI doco ?

	Thanks in advance,

Chris Byrnes, Megadata, Sydney
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: FAQ? and looking for ftp sites
From: phys169@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:54:17 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Hi,
Is there a Frequently Asked Questions file?

Where is the best place to look for text document format specifications and
conversion programs, especially to/from TeX, CompuSource WordPro and 
PFS:First Publisher?

Thanks for any help,
Mark Aitchison, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.
From: COMPR4002@UCSVAX.SDSU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Runoff
Date: 19 Aug 1992 13:23:08 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:18:31 -0700 (PDT)


I'm looking for a Unix version of DSR Runoff on theVAX/VMS so I could .  Or if anyone
has a Runoff to nroff conversion program I could download, I would
appreciate it greatly.

Thanks.
From: Frank@mindlink.bc.ca (Frank I. Reiter)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Keyword searches
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:09:00 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

I will soon be working on some software to perform keyword searches on many
megabytes of text (including usenet messages).

Searching for a single keyword is pretty easy using an index of words with
pointers to articles, but I am stuck when I try to figure out an efficient way
to search for articles containing multiple keywords (IE "Unix" and "Crash" and
"Solution" and "Ethernet")

The best method I have come up with is to figure out which of the keywords is
least common (not too hard - periodically a word frequency table could be
generated), search the index for articles containing that word, and then check
if that article also contains each of the other words.

This method will probably cause many, many more records to be read than
accepted.

Is there a more efficient way?

Frank.
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___________________________________________________________________
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Newsgroups: comp.text
From: erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl (Eduardo Rodriguez)
Subject: ps -> dvi  or  ps -> *roff
Originator: erodrigu@werken
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:48:59 GMT
Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion


Does anyone know of a filter that give me a dvi file
from a postscript one?, or *roff from postscript?
  I am NOT looking for a dvi2ps but ps2dvi.

Thanks for answers.

Eduardo Rodriguez S        - --- - --- - --- -    erodrigu@dcc.uchile.cl
Dpto de Ciencias de la Computacion  - --- -    ...!uunet!uchdcc!erodrigu
Universidad de Chile   --- - --- - ---   erodrigu%uchdcc@uchcecvm.BITNET
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From: sue@byron.u.washington.edu (Shu-Chen Eclipse)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: help: openwin on sun work stations can't find fonts
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:12:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug18.021236.9266
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

hellow,

I defined several fonts in my .Xdefaults file: courier-bold, new century 
bold, bitstream charter-bold, both in full name format, with * abreiviations,
and with aliases I found in xlsfonts and fonts.dir, fonts.alias files.

when I
'm on the sun work stations with a sparc file server, running "openwin"
complains it can't find these fonts. The same fonts are ALL perfectly ok
when I LOGIN REMotely via telnet from tektronix xp27 and xp330's; when
I login via telenet from pc's running pc-nfs/hummingbirds eXceedp, all's ok,
except when I start up certain applications, then it complains about
not finding new century-bold-i-14 fonts.

what goes?  why is it that only the TEK remote logins are completely ok?

thanx for answering,
sue@byron.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz)
Subject: Re: Help: customized .openwin-menu don't work
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 06:11:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug14.201037.395@u.washington.edu> sue@byron.u.washington.edu (Shu-Chen Eclipse) writes:
=    I copied the openwin-menu from $OPENWINHOME/lib (?) to $HOME/.openwin-menu
=and added a "MENU" category for games and xterm" per manual instructions.
=
=seems preety straight forward. But My mouse still run the system's openwin-menu.I tried to define OLWMMENU, OPENWINMENU, MENU in .cshrc to my $HOME/.openwin-menu
=nothing, no error messages--it keeps using the system's menu.
=
=
=what am I doing wrong???
=
=thanx for anwering,
=
=sue@byron.u.washington.edu
=


If there are something wrong of the syntax in your $HOME/.openwin-menu
the olwm will use $OPENWINHOME's menu.
If there has no $OPENWINHOME menu, olwm will use build in menu.

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Mailtool: Cannot use view->find... function under olvwm 3.1
Followup-To: comp.windows.open-look
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:40:11 GMT

In article <dqjf7ey@openlook.Unify.Com> bogart@bpb.it (Max Lanfranconi - R and D) writes:
:Hellow, 
:	I'm running Sun O.S. 4.1.2, O.W. 3.0, olvwm 3.1. Everything is OK apart 
:one little, yet very annoying problem:

I am using SunOS 4.1.2, OW 3.0 and olvwm _3.2_.

:
:In the "view" menu of mailtool V3 there is a find... voice that is very useful.
:

I am not sure what a 'voice' is, but there is such a menu entry on my version
of mailtool V3 as well.

:It works fine with olwm but it stopped as I passed to olvwm (needless to say
: I can't live without olvwm!).

I don't know what you mean by stopped.  Just before I typed F to this article,
I selected it and I get a pin up dialogue box called Find Messages.  What
happens for you - check your console window and see if some error or
permissions type thing comes out.

:
:BTW, is there any attribute that disable the resizing of the virtual desktop ?

What does 'resizing the virtual desktop' mean?  You don't want to be able to
make it larger?  I don't think there is such an option.



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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: reidc@syscen.com (Reid Carson/Development)
Subject: Re: Notify_client numbers
Reply-To: reidc@syscen.com
Organization: Systems Center, Inc., Reston, VA, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:39:52 GMT

In article <5508@ssc-bee.ssc-vax.boeing.com>, mattb@ssc-vax (Matt Baney) writes:

> Along this same line?  Are there any restrictions on what keys can
> be used for XV_KEY_DATA values when attaching information to an 
> object??


  Some key values are used by the XView toolkit routines for their
own purposes.  (This is the case in XView 2.0, I haven't checked the
3.0 source, since the values below have worked fine there also.)

  For my key values, I start at 10001 and go up.  This has so far
avoided any collision problems.  It is not as easy as it should be
to figure out what key values are unused.


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From: gwr@tantalum.eds.com (George Rapp)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: SUMMARY: olvwm 3.2 - some L-keys and F-keys slow down
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:49:17 GMT
Reply-To: gwr@edsr.eds.com
Organization: EDS Research

> The problem is not so much that the resource for virtual keys is
> set, but that you do not have a .olvwmrc in your home directory (A bug IMHO.)
> This file is where you would create your own key mappings as well as
> other nifty features - see olvwmrc(5) for details.  You can just create
> an empty version and you will see your response time return to normal.

This solves the problem.  If you set

olwm.GrabVirtualKeys:                   True

and touch an empty .olvwmrc in your home directory, the speed
returns to normal (acceptable).  All L- and F-keys work fine.

Thanks to all who answered, for your help.

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