From: CX6L@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CX6L)
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.misc,rec.games.frp.advocacy
Subject: Re: Random Rolls
Date: 22 Jan 93 21:06:42 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <1993Jan22.173632.19154@unislc.uucp> stv@unislc.uucp (Steve Spencer) writes:

>: ... not for acting class practice or a challenge.

>Well now, I see why we seem to have a disagreement here. Clearly,
>if you are not in it for acting practice (read that: role playing),
>or challenge, then there are definitely going to be some flames headed
>your way.

Whoah! Wait a minute here! I said that I did not need pratice at
acting out roles that I cannot identify with. My words to that
effect were really rather clear. By "no challenge", I meant that
I got little joy out of facing the "challenge" of playing such
a character: one who I cannot identify with. I *love* to role-
play, and if you knew me, or my associates, I think you'd even
have to admit I'm *good* at it. Please do not read into my words
things which I have neither said nor implied, OK?

>: If I want a challenge, I'm a particle physicist: there's lots of nasty
>: problems out there to be solved. Yes: I want my character to be "my"
>: character. This is fun. I get to construct a concept and follow it
>: through its evolution, controlling the process according to my desires
>: and whims.

>Okay, so here you have stated NOT ONLY that you don't want a challenge
>in your role playing

I love the game itself to be challenging: I just don't enjoy the
dubious "challenge" of having an ill character shoved down my throat.

>.. oh wait... you stated above that you don't do
>acting practice (role playing)

Practice at the techniques of acting, especially acting out roles
that you cannot identify with, is **NOT** roleplaying. It is
acting practice. The *acting itself* is the roleplaying, and that
I do, most sincerely, enjoy. Geez - learn to read.

>Well I think I know where many of these misconceptions come from, they
>come from post like yours where people state that they do not enjoy
>a challenge, or acting in their role playing.

Listen caaarrrrefullly: I *love* acting - it *defines* roleplaying.
I *hate* being forced to act out a role that is not compatible
with my personality. That's all: it's that simple.

>HA, Ha, hahahahaha, I may have a misconception about your ability to
>roleplay, but if I do, it is due to your own statements, and lack of
>forethought in what you post!

Lots o' forethought, and my point was plenty clear. You just did not
understand what I was talking about. I'll forgive misinterpretation:
but do *not* blame it on my prose.

>: Curious I should be singled out, considering the number of targets
>: you would have had during the points vs. random rolls debate that
>: raged here for years. What did I say? Just curious . . . I don't
>: really care.

>Well then let me tell you why I singled your postg out to throw flames at...
>I personally play random dice systems. BUT I fully agree with the merits
>of diceless systems, and I have no doubt that I would thouroughly enjoy
>playing them. And I feel that thoughtless, stupid posts like your own
>hurts the cause of diceless systems more than it helps them. I want to
>jump to the defense of diceless systems, and say that I truely hope that
>not all of its players agree with your "NO challenge, no ACTING" theory.

I do *not* espouse this theory. I espouse the theory that a game should
be fun, and that it shouldn't feel like theatre class with some Nazi
instructor, or be a major source of stress. A challenge *within the
game* is great, and acting *as roleplaying* is wonderful. *THAT* is
what I said.
     PS: I said nothing about diceless systems. If you think GURPS
is a diceless system, then *you're* the one who needs to learn some-
thing!
-Kromm.

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