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From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: [william carter franklin:  Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson]
Date: 17 Aug 1992 05:38:17 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Proved it when and to whom?  You and folks like you is why I am here having
fled that beautiful country that is so good for those who desire to
be intellectually free.  That is the trick Carter uses in posting.  Ask
where he got those stats and facts from (smile).  

The concept guys is called deception by guile.  He seeks to disrupt the
list by a tactic called 'disinformation'.  While you scurry around trying
to find out how to refute these purportedly 'facts and figures' he just
so conveniently has at hand.  You ask where he got them from.  He does
not have to tell you for as he screams and calls you names he is doing and
obtaining the required results.  You can not see the root and source of
the problem.  Those facts and figures are made up by Carter and his ilk.
They just make them up.  Say Carter old boy I got one for you.

Within that 110 radius I previously asked you about, tell me how many
folks are living abject poverty.  I mean total despair.  Driving up
117 and into the backwaters of Black River, Long Creek, Maple Hill,
Calico Bay.  How many die of starvation and cold last year?  Now that
is a fact and figure for you....
--bob

p.s. Recommended Reading -- War at Home -- and The Taking of America --
both on line series.

p.p.s  Incidentally Carter.  In the grand scheme of things you only need
two number '0 and 1'.  You are either on or off, dead or alive.  Which
category do you fit into?
:ds
  
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wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines) writes:



>Okay so tell me, What makes America, a better place for blacks to live than
>my country - CANADA.

>		wayne@tse.uucp 



Wait a minute, it's up to YOU to prove that Canada is a better place to 
live than America. I have supported my claims on this group that America
is the best place in the world for black people to live. You disagree
and claim that Canada is better. Okay, I will listen to disagreements
to any of my thesis and honor your opinions respectfully, however, I
expect you (as I have said MANY times on this group) to SUPPORT YOUR
CLAIMS with facts, statistics, analysis, ANYTHING, just support your
claims so that your replies are interesting and commentable. 

Notice that when I reply to people's posts I supply facts and data along
with observations that are tangible and arguable. Leave me something
besides claims that are not supported so that the discussion can 
continue in a mature manner.
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Carol Mosley Braun
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:07:14 GMT

In article <1992Aug8.204833.28307@m.cs.uiuc.edu>,
carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:
>*Blech*.  That's at the same level morally as the opposite attitude
>that a man would be better than a woman.  One might have hoped that
>they would have some actual political reason for supporting Ms.
Braun rather than just the particular genitalia with which Ms.
Braun happens to be equipped.  Would these same women support
Phyllis Schafley over Bob Kerrey because a woman senator would
simply be better than a man?
.
.
I hate it when dudes use the word "genitalia" when ascribing
any "male" attributes to women. Women are outsiders in the political
sphere. Let me say too, that there is a paucity of BLACK WOMEN in
the Congressional Black Caucus as well.
.
The Phyllis versus Bob hypothetical race is interesting too, but
we've seen that movie already.  Politics IS important, but then look
at Teddy Kennedy for example: a one-man rise and fall of the roaming
empire... Women have been supporting (and holding their noses) the
guy for years.
.
Sometimes a woman's point of view is better and less circumspect
than a man's.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: trs4742@sigma.tamu.edu (SEBESTA, TIMOTHY RICHARD)
Subject: Re: Violent crime stats from a reliable source
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:33:00 GMT

In article <92226.145653KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>  I am tired of Mr. Franklin throwing our violent crime statistics that are
>bogus.  I have just looked up statistics on the topic.  These statistics are
>from the Bureau of Justics Statistics (from the U.S. Dept of Justice), in a
>Special Report entitled, "Violent State Prisoners and their Victims".  State
>statistics are usually used in violent crime statistics because violent crimes
>are very rarely prosecuted on the federal level.  These statistics are obtained
>from 1986 survey of state prisons and published in July of 1990 (see Mr.
>Franklin, this is called documenting what you bring up).
>  First of all, something interesting was that 89% of white violent offenders
>victimized other whites, while 49% of Black violent offenders victimized other
>Blacks.  I was a bit surprised by that.  But Mr. Franklin asserts that 69% of
>violent criminals are Black.  Well according to the U.S. Justice department
>50.7% of violent offenders are Black, 45.5% are white, and 3.8% are other.
>Quite a big difference than the 69% that Mr. Franklin asserts.
I'm not siding with anyone, but uniform crime reports gathered statistics
from across the U. S. and their report showed that 94% of crimes against 
blacks are committed by blacks. 85% of crimes committed against whites
are by other whites. I've done alot of research in this area and have a paper
up for publication in the near future. If you have anymore questions
concerning violent crimes, I may be able to help.


Tim Sebesta

"This is the world, it's not working"  Ministry


>commit violent crimes in a greater proportion than our population says we
>should, but Blacks are also greatly overrepresented in the lower levels of the
>economic strata, and statistics show that there is a greater economic effect
>on crime than there is a race effect.  Well, that is the  end of my tirade.
>I have shown by facts that Mr. Franklin is full of shit.  Unless of course
>in the last 6 years there has been a  19% increase in Black violent criminals,
>or a 19% decrease in white criminal offenders.  I think not.  Unless Mr.
>franklin can document his assertions, he should get off the network!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: Amy Young Leith <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:58:58 -0500

In article <1992Aug14.164847.19499@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:

>why all the commas?

Oh, you can just *tell* it's going to be a good refute when the first
comment is a grammar flame!

>Does Canada spend as much money on black people as the U.S. (NOT).

Welfare:  this is dealt out BY ECONIMIC STATUS, NOT BY SKIN COLOR,
idiot.  IT JUST SO HAPPENS that there are more non-whites on Welfare,
which DOES speak loudly of a problem with the system... however, I
would not call that "money spent on <insert group here.>"

>Tell them to stop committing crimes.

True to come extent, but start telling the government to make
schooling equal so those in urban areas get the same as someone in the
middle of Iowa.

>By another BLACK man? Remember my previous argument against Silly
>Bigot Sistah's thesis: Black people are killing BLACK people every day.

From what I've heard on crime statistics, you are right on this one.
HOWEVER, if we are talking about "the best place to live" as you say
you are, then it DOESN'T MATTER who's hands you might die at... just
that a black man is more likely to be murdered here than in Canada.

>>In which country do blacks have a lower life expectancy ?
>
>Canada

You got proof for this? 

>>In which country is a black child less likely to get an equitable 
>>education ?
>
>We have Head Start. 

BUT THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT IS THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE UNEQUAL TO BEGIN
WITH!!!!  

"OH, ok, the system is racists, dependent upon area and those living
it in.  Lesse, that's horrible, but let's throw a bone in later on
down the line, that'll shut them up."  It's nice for flag waving
parties and "see what we are doing" ceremonies, but it doesn't cut it
in real life. 

>It's the violent black people that vandalize and kill in these areas.

And it's the system who has made it this way, more or less.  

>Your home is what YOU make it. You spray painted the wall, can't blame
>whitey. YOU smoked crack. Can't blame whitey. YOU carry the nine. Can't
>blame whitey for your alternative choices as an individual.

Have you even BEEN THROUGH a "bad" section of any large city?  You
don't just buy a house and paint it pink and put flowers outside and
then the sun comes out.  Yeesh. 

>So if a black person is using drugs in the United States police are
>supposed to look the other way?
>(On a sidenote, I DO hope that the LAPD officers get what they deserve).

This is a whole other subject, but drug laws are gross infringements
on everyone's personal freedom.  BUT, in enforcing these laws, the law
agencies FREQUENTLY use profiles that are BASED on racial
characteristics.  You place a black man and a white man in an airport,
dressed the same way, carrying the same amout of credit
cards/money/valuables, and acting the same way, and you tell me which
one is going to be stopped and searched painstakingly.  

amy
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: White skin-how did it develope?
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:02:48 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Aug20.223509.7577@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> talk.origins,soc.culture.african.american,alt.rap writes:

#     Then what would be the evolutionary mechanism that would select
# for lighter skin towards the northern climates?  There's little I
# can see that would actively select against the darker skins/for the
# lighter skins, and I do not believe that a lack of evolutionary
# pressure is evolutionary pressure in, by, and of itself.

I can give you the "standard answer".

The main source of vitamin D in humans is through some sort of effect
of sunlight on the skin.  In the tropics, there is so much direct
sunlight that people can actually overdose, since too much vitamin D
is poisonous.  Melanin blocks the penetration of sunlight into the
skin, and thus reduces vitamin D production.  Of course, melanin may
also have other protective benefits which are not outweighed by the
need for vitamin D.

In northern latitudes, though, the sun's rays are effectively weaker
because they hit the atmosphere at an angle.  Also, people have to
cover their skin more because of lower temperatures.  Thus the skin
has to be able to absorb a greater percentage of the available
sunlight, and melanin production is selected against.

In the extreme north, where the sun is the weakest and people have to
stay almost entirely covered, people get more of their vitamin D from
food sources.  Supposedly polar bear liver has such a concentration
that if eaten straight, it's toxic.

Or so they say.

David
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Black man wins popularity contest
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:51:22 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

From today's Gainesville Sun:

        NEW YORK -- Americans may still be ambivalent about the
        Presidential aspirants, but their preferences are decidedly
        clear on the issue of regular guys.  For the second
        consecutive year, the "voting public" has overwhelmingly
        selected Bill Cosby, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, and Peter
        Jennings as the nation's most regular guys, according to a
        Gallup survey released recently.

        ... A 1991 Gallup poll determined regular guys to be
        down-to-earth, hard working, responsible, willing to lend a
        hand, and honest.

        Television's superdad Bill Cosby swept the regular guy ratings
        with 42 percent of the votes.

        [...]

What do y'all suppose this means?

David
From: alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:40:07 GMT
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington

In article <1992Aug10.135310.29962@rock.concert.net> bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:
>In article <1992Aug7.185220.8374@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>>America employs TWENTY SEVEN times the amount of black people that
>>Canada employs. Most black people in America are middle class, AND
>>for those who are not, 33 percent of all government aid to the under-
>B

>>AMERICA AMEEEEERICA GOD shed His GRACE on theeeeee
>>(AND crown thy hood wif Boyz in the hood)
>>(From Rodney King to Ice T.)
>
>
>  	Greetings,
>
>	Gee why am I not suprised? Could it be because America has 220 million
> in population where Canada has only 22 million.. Correct me if the numbers are
> wrong.
>
>		Carter

You're numbers may be right, but... so what?  The information above
does not lean on NUMBER of anything, but rather RELATIVE FRACTIONS.
If Canada has 1, we have 27, automatically.  So if we had the same
population and the ratio stayed the same, if they had one, we'd STILL
have 27.  Get it?  

Now if he'd said "they employ 1 million... and we employ 27
million..." it would be a different story, yes, you WOULD assume all
factors to increase as population increases.  But this is a relative
description. 

amy
From: andrew.wiggs%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Andrew Wiggs) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: "Acting White"
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:06:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online, St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: andrew.wiggs%travel@wugate.wustl.edu (Andrew Wiggs) 

KC>>I don't understand what you mean by BEV and SAE.  Please explain.

KC>   BEV:   Black English Vernacular
KC>   SAE:   Standard American English

I still don't understand BEV. Explain further, please.

KC>   You're not saying that speaking BEV equates to butchering the English
KC>   language,  are you?

Don't you think you're putting words in her mouth.

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From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Violent crime stats from a reliable source
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:48:47 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

I said I wasn't going to reply to this jackass but I had to.

In article <1992Aug19.160256.4806@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>Wilmington has many programs that revitalize black neighborhoods with
>thousands of hours of volunteer efforts.
>Also, this year, the city passed a multi_million dollar plan to 
>revitalize ONE of our black neighborhoods. 
	    ^^^
Note only one.  Now we know which neighborhood of blacks will be
displaced.  It happens everytime.  It's happened quite a few
times here in Boston when white suburbanite wanted to move back
into the city.

>So it seems like your source has it COMPLETELY backwards.
>
>And the police go where the crime is.
>What is so prejudiced about that?

If they did, they would never get out of Americas white corporate
boardrooms and white politicians offices.  They would have to
build more club med prisons for North, Milken etc etc etc etc
etc.
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: [william carter franklin:  Re: Good Quote]
Date: 14 Aug 1992 08:58:52 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Why should you continue to care about this Carter.  Had you not best
be directing to a more profitable pursuit like worrying where you
are going to live or did you forget?  This planet does not belong
to us.  It was ours on loan with the stipulation that we learn to
live together peacefully and not bear false witness against your neighbor
and definitely not to consider ones self to be superior to the universe.

Hmmm.  But I see you know nothing of these things.  Why?
--bob

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kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson) writes:




>    One of two things is true.  Either you've changed my mind,  or I still think
>   the death penalty is not just punishent for drinking and driving. 

>    Do you have bumper stickers on your car?


LIFE IN PRISON OR A GOOD BEATING. WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE DEATH 
PENALTY? PUNISHMENTS do DETER CRIMES.
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Speaking of ass holes...
Date: 19 Aug 1992 17:01:16 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug19.130615.23344@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter) writes:

[...]
}      and, if YOU don't like the way I take out my aggressions, maybe you
}and I can do something more substantial about it instead of type garbage
}in this secure forum. I ain't afraid to die; how about you?

Ummm, I think you just went off the deep end.
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:23:49 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

Couldn't help but reply to more of his trash.

In article <1992Aug14.164847.19499@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines) writes:
>
>>Why is the U.S. a better place than Canada for blacks to live ?
>
>
>Because how many Canadian chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff R black?

I didn't realize that there were so many American chairmen of the JCoS.
>How many Canadian Government officials are black?

Not many here either.
>How many Canadian Black people are there?
>Does Canada spend as much money on black people as the U.S. (NOT).

More people here fool.
>
>
>>In which country is a black male more likely to be incarcerated ?
>
>Tell them to stop committing crimes.

Actually the correct response is get high priced lawyers like whites
do who can get them off on mere technicalities.  Blindfold the white
jurist so they cant see that you are black (instant sentence if they can).
Strike any statement about going near a white neighborhood since that
will always get you convicted.  Find a way to steal millions like whites
that way you get a 10yr sentence that is reduced to 2yrs cause a family
relative is sick you also get incarcerated at club med.  I'm referring
to milken.   There are quite a few others but I can't think of them now.
>
>>In which country is a black child less likely to get an equitable 
>>education ?
>
>We have Head Start. 

Ohhhhh. Head Start, goes to a small few.  Not to mention that with this
economy quite a few more whites are trying to get their kids in.
Therefore you know that blacks will be displaced.
>
>
>>In which country is a black child more likely to grow up in a demoralizing
>>ghetto, an urban war zone ?
>
>It's the violent black people that vandalize and kill in these areas.
>Your home is what YOU make it. You spray painted the wall, can't blame
>whitey. YOU smoked crack. Can't blame whitey. YOU carry the nine. Can't
>blame whitey for your alternative choices as an individual.

No its people like you.  Today your masquerading as republicans, before
they used to call you the KKK, a legal arm of the gov.
>
>>In which country is a black more likely to be subjected to demoralizng 
>>drug profile stops, police harrassment and brutality ?
>
>So if a black person is using drugs in the United States police are
>supposed to look the other way?
>(On a sidenote, I DO hope that the LAPD officers get what they deserve).
								^^^^^^^
Vacation with pay I'm sure.  Please spare me, dont throw this in,
inorder to say "see I'm not prejudice."

When blacks aren't using drugs, they still get the same treatment, which
whites dont
From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: [william carter franklin:  Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson]
Date: 19 Aug 1992 05:03:18 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 I had one Carter before I became interested in **life** but even then I
graduated.  Anyway.  Let us lay our differences aside for a moment for I
am terribly depressed.  Tell me something.  How can a man say that it is
time to seek more then equality with his creator or words to that effect.
What are we doing here wasting our time with such trival drivel when all
that is happening here and something even more awesome is just beyond
our range of comprehension  (4.0 in math, Bs in math but it just for credit).

Yes you are correct.  Violence is a major means of oppression but we have
never used that as a tactic on whites!!!  Are you crazy Mon?  What is the
life expectancy of a man that goes out there and off a white.  Remember 
now I came from your neck of the woods when the night carried stark fear.

Also on a serious note, for your statistics you should check out STAT-L
and there is an excellent mathgroup for the brain strokers running out
of Mit.

As for violence.  No.  It only begats more violence.  Not condoned!!!
Carter.  You can not be our 'overseerer'.  Money is the key and no one
can listen to 'flowery' phrases (so I now know beyond a shadow of doubt)
when the wolf is howling at your door.  We need help and mere words will
no longer do it.   You want to help us.  Then listen.  The greatest love
that you can show is to give up your life.  Are you willing to do that? 
--bob

p.s.  Sorry but all the hatred spewing from the television utterly
destroyed me.  To realize that we are trapped here in materiality
with all hope and faith gone.  No one to help or care for us any longer
and it had been like that for some time or did you not listen?
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stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Stinken Slowall) writes:


>Somebody needs to pop a cap in yo white trash head, muthafuckah.

Just goes to show the mentality that I am dealing with here sometimes
on soc.blah.blah.blah. Violence is a major means of oppression, this
is an example of how a black person oppresses a white: trying to 
inflict fear by means of VIOLENCE. By the way, Stinken, how many 
white trashes do you know that are straight A math students?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: This FRANKLIN person
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:30:27 GMT

mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:

>But then either I'm one of those "black bigots" or his ass is still stingin
>from the written whippin I gave him in that "Good Quote" thread...

>Malcolm Dildo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu


Your arguments are just as weak now as they were then. Any whippin
on your part was just a fig tree of your tired imagination.
Read MORE STATISTICS :)
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