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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:24:57 EDT
From:         "(Nicholas J. Simicich)" <scifi!njs@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      To compute or not to compute
              "uunet!BROWNVM.brown.edu!RFLNG%CLEMSON.BITNET"

>  Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:45:00 EDT
>  From: "Reef Fish (Large Nassau Grouper)"
 <uunet!BROWNVM.brown.edu!RFLNG%CLEMSON.BITNET>

>  But not so for PADI Dive Tables, if you follow their prescriptions.  In
>  fact, if you SURFACED for 9 minutes and re-entered water to dive, you're
>  still in the FIRST dive.  That's what prompted my comment

The instructions that came with my Wheel do not make any mention of
this.  As far as I can tell, your next dive starts as soon as you
surface.  Or perhaps I've just missed it?  Other people have looked.

>  >> Also, Tables do not account the first 10 minutes of
>  >> your surface interval in repetitive dive-group computations, ...
>
>  of which Dave said,
>
>  > The first half of this is not true: tables certainly count all of your
>  > surface interval as surface interval.
>
>  Wrong, Dave.
>
>  Just look at any PADI or NAUI Surface Interval Time/Credit Table.  The
>  minimum time starts at 0:10 because of the DEFINITION of a DIVE.
>
>  In particular, PADI Diver Manuals have this to say:
>
>  "If a surface interval is less than 10 minutes, treat the dives as a single
>  dive, adding the Bottom Times together and using the deepest depth attained
>  on either dive to determine the Group Designation."

This is, of course, because the intermediate compartments have not
unloaded enough in less than ten minutes to make the table repetitive
dive calculations valid.  After 10 minutes, the compartments faster
than the controlling compartment no longer are significant.

[...]

>  The real point of this exercise (and other equally silly ones) is that
>  by definition/convention or discreteness of Tables, or both, one can
>  easily come up with outrageous examples that Table Users have lost
>  all senses of reality, whereas computers (their users) at least try to
>  APPROXIMATE reality (via models and near-continuous updates of the
>  relevant quantities).

The other question, of course, is how relevant the computer models are
to real physiology.

Nick Simicich - uunet!bywater!scifi!njs - njs@watson.ibm.com
SSI #AOWI 3958, HSA 318, NAUI #14065
Join the movement ---  turn 'to bush' into a verb.
Seen on a button at an SF Convention:
Maybe I'll become an evil genius and blow up the world and THEN I'll
feel better.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:55:00 ADT
From:         jaberback@HUSKY1.STMARYS.CA
Subject:      macro lens for MMI

I've seen lots of messages about underwater housings. I own a Sea&Sea
MotoMarine I and am looking for a macro lens. Because the camera is
outdated now, does anybody know where I can get a macro lens that fits this
camera without paying a small fortune? Any used macro lenses and goalposts
(I think that's what the wire frame is called) out there?
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Joy Aberback-Microcomputer Coordinator-jaberback@husky1.stmarys.ca
Saint Mary's University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

          I haven't lost my mind...it's backed up on disk somewhere
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From:         RCJB110@MAPLE.CC.KCL.AC.UK
Subject:      RE: Nitrox Class

Please unsuscribe me from the list,
Sue
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Subject: Re: UW Foto Housings and zoom lenses
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:50:55 GMT
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When using a zoom lens in an Ikelite housing it is necessary to
use a close focus filter as well.  This reduces edge sharpness
considerably.  I have gotten good shots with my Nikon 8008 and
28-85 zoom but either the 60mm macro or 20mm wide angle can be
used without attachments and give superior results.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:18:00 MST
From:         Clarke Whitehead <TSCWHITEHEAD@CC.WEBER.EDU>
Subject:      Re: UW Foto Housings

I'd like to expand on my earlier question about UW housings.  I have seen
housings from IKELITE advertized for about $350.  I have also noticed ads
for Nikonos V cameras for about $550.  I have a Minolta Maxxum 7000 camera,
and am wondering which direction is best.  The obvious advantage to a
Nikonos is the smaller size.  Has anyone had experience with housing units,
and can you tell me of any other pros/cons compared to buying a Nikonos?

	Clarke Whitehead
	TSCWHITEHEAD@CC.WEBER.EDU
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:11:00 CDT
From:         JOHN HEDGCOCK <ENGLJW@JETSON.UH.EDU>
Subject:      Job Announcement: L Lab Directorship

        *       *       *     JOB ANNOUNCEMENT          *       *       *

        Job Title: Director, Foreign Language Laboratory
                   University of Houston

        Description:

        The Director administers the Foreign Language Laboratory in direct
        support of the curricula in the departments of French, German, and
        Hispanic and Classical Languages, using audio, video, satellite,
        and computer resources.

        The Director is expected to be up-to-date on computer-aided in-
        struction related to foreign language teaching. BA in foreign
        language required, MA expected, PhD preferred.  CAI experience
        required.

        Send cover letter, CV, and 3 letters of reference to Hannah S.
        Decker, Chair, Search Committee, College of Humanities, Fine Arts,
        and Communication, University of Houston, Houston, TX 77204-3784.
        The University of Houston is an Equal Opportunity Employer.

        *       *       *       *       *       *       *       *       *

        E-mail queries may be sent to: John Hedgcock, engljw@jetson.uh.edu.
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:58:38 -0700
From:         SCOTTML@JKHBHRC.BYU.EDU
Subject:      Re: Interactive video in Spanish and German

Following is information regarding interactive videodiscs developed
at Brigham Young University.

Mary Lee Scott

From:     JKHB_HUM1/LARSON
Subject:  Re: Interactive Video
To:       SCOTTML
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Date:     7 Oct 92 09:41:10

You might pass along to your inquirer that we are just in the final
stages of Montevidisco in Spanish and German Langugage and Culture in
German.  He can contact me directly (LARSON@JKHBHRC.BYU.EDU) regarding
Montevidisco and Randy Jones (JONESR@JKHBHRC.BYU.EDU) regarding the
GL&C programs.  They will be marketed to the outside through the
Technology Transfer Office, A-268 ASB (801) 378-6266.

Jerry Larson
Mary Lee Scott
Linguistics Dept.
3184 JKHB
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT  84602
Office: (801) 378-5353
Fax:    (801) 378-4649
Internet: SCOTTML@JKHBHRC.BYU.EDU
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 12:17:00 CDT
From:         Jane Zuengler <ZUENGLER@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Job announcement

University of Wisconsin-Madison. Tenure-track Assistant Professor, Department of
English.  Position in Applied Linguistics and TESOL, starting 1993-4.  Ph.D.
required. Direct ESL Program, plus teach courses specializing in two or three of
the following areas: second language acquisition, research on ESL, ESL
methodology, interlanguage analysis, ESL academic writing/reading/oral
communication skills; should also have solid preparation to teach introductory
English phonology or syntax. Expected to publish actively in fields of
specialization.

Candidates should send letter of application, vita, and 1-page summary of
current research to Thomas Schaub, Chair, Department of English, University of
Wisconsin-Madison, 600 N. Park St., Madison, WI 53706, by November 23, 1992.

Unless confidentiality is requested in writing, information regarding applicants
must be released upon request. Finalists cannot be guaranteed confidentiality.
The UW-Madison especially encourages women and minorities to apply and is an
Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer.
Jane Zuengler
Dept of English, 7187 H. C. White Hall
University of Wisconsin
Madison, WI  53706
o: (608) 263-3808/3800
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 11:36:13 +0000
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From:         SMITH@HUTRUU59.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Anonymous query

To the Bill VanPatten inspired discussion on the status of SLA I have only
one thing to say:
This is a major reason why American SLA researchers should form an organisation
which has the promotion of understanding about SLA to a wider audience as one
of its main aims. This is one of the aims of the European Second Language
Association (excuse me for labouring this point, er..laboring). It should
come as no surprise that quite a number of prominent American researchers are
joining EUROSLA. But why can't there be a ASLA (or whatever)?
Anyone!!?
Euronymous
From: lmilne@AAL.ITD.UMICH.EDU
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Subject: CALICO
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:15:57 GMT
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Could someone provide information about next year's CALICO meeting?
Specifically, I'm trying to find out the dates and location.

Thanks,
________________________________________________________________________
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:14:22 MST
From:         Daniel Brink <ATDXB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Interactive Video for ESL

I will have peter call these people at CMU and get more info.  Thx.

Daniel Brink, Professor of English
Arizona State University, Tempe 85287-0302
602/965-4182o 602/965-3168m 602/965-2012f
Internet: ATDXB@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:57:06 EDT
From:         Suzanne Irujo <SED8A8N@BUACCA.BITNET>
Subject:      E-mail for methods classes

I have just gotten my TESOL Methods class onto e-mail so they can
experience it themselves, and I hope get as excited about it as it am,
so they will want to use it with their own classes later.  Right now they
are writing to each other and to me, but it occurred to me that it would
be much more interesting if they had another methods class to correspond
with.  Is there anyone out there teaching a TESOL, FL or Bil. Ed. Methods
course who would like a "sister class"?

Suzanne Irujo
Boston University
School of Education
605 Commonwealth Ave.
Boston, MA 02215
617-353-6294
sed8a8n@buacca (BITNET)
sirujo@acs.bu.edu (INTERNET)
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:38:36 MST
From:         Gail Guntermann <ATGCG@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Anonymous query
              12 Oct 1992 12:56:47 -0400 from <listen@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

In our fragmented state, it seems that we language people are
incapable of seeing the power that we would have if we all worked
together for the same ends, instead of continually kicking the dog
that's lower than we are.  As a foreign language teaching specialist
I am at the bottom of the kicking order in a department that is,
as usual, largely literary.  I agree fully that it is the literature
people who have for generations cloned themselves, thus ensuring
that most of their ranks demonstrate the same built-in attitudes.
Is there some way we can work together?  Maybe the best approach is
to establish centers for language research and teaching, and build
them to a place of strength.

I have a feeling Bill's message will generate lots more, and that's
certainly indicative of a serious need.

Gail Guntermann                          602/965-4645 (Office)
Dept. of Foreign Languages               602/965-6281 (Dept.)
Arizona State University                 602/965-0135 (FAX)
Tempe, AZ 85287-0202
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From:         Joe Chevalier <jchevali@HELIOS.UWSP.EDU>
Subject:      SLART Joseph Chevalier

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:43:00 +8
From:         ENTAUROZ@CPHKVX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Attitudes towards NS and NNS accents

Could anyone give me some references to studies on attitudes towards
native vs. non-native English accents?

Thanks a lot.

Steve Tauroza
City Polytechnic of Hong Kong
entauroz@cphkvx.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:42:34 -0400
From:         listen@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject:      Ibo and Yoruba Materials

Does anyone know of any up-to-date materials for Ibo and/or Yoruba -
preferably those that might be useful for self-study.  I have the 1976
edition of the Center for Applied Linguistics survey of materials for
Sub-Saharan Languages, but I'd like to find more recent materials.

Thanks

Frank Ryan
Brown University
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:03:00 EDT
From:         SV478@ALBNYVMS.BITNET
Subject:      M. Clyne ref.

Would anyone have a reference for the following Michael Clyne article:
"Some aspects of the bilingualism and language maintenance of Australian
Born children of German-Speaking parents". Thanks for the help. Replies
could be sent directly to me. SV478@Albnyvms.bitnet. S. Van Ness.
From: GURT@GUVAX.ACC.GEORGETOWN.EDU
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Subject: Call for Abstracts: GURT 1993 Pre-Session on Spanish Linguistics
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:29:00 GMT
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(Please note:  Queries should be directed to the addresses below and
not to the header of this message.  Thanks.)


*********  Conference Announcement:  Call for Abstracts *******

            GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY ROUND TABLE
            ON LANGUAGES AND LINGUISTICS 1993

                       PRE-SESSION
                     ON ALL AREAS OF
                   SPANISH LINGUISTICS

		     CALL FOR ABSTRACTS


     Papers are solicited for the Pre-Session on Spanish Linguistics
to be held on March 9 and March 10, 1993, immediately preceding the
Georgetown University Round Table on Languages and Linguistics 1993.
Papers on any area of Spanish Linguistics will be considered.
Presentations should be in English and will be approximately 30
minutes.

      Please send three copies of a one page abstract by December 1,
1992 to:

      Professors Eric Holt and Hector Campos
      Spanish Linguistics Pre-Session
      Department of Spanish
      Georgetown University
      Washington, DC  20057-0989

     e-mail:  hcampos@guvax.bitnet (OR) hcampos@guvax.georgetown.edu

     To ensure impartiality, do not include your name on the abstract.
Please enclose your name, address, title of abstract, and e-mail
address (if applicable) on a 3x5 index card.  *Publications of papers
is a possibility.*  For more information or if you have questions,
write or e-mail to the above addresses.
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From: ccjn@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU (Joyce Neu)
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Subject: Re: call for papers - EUROSLA conference
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:38:37 GMT
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On Tue, 6 Oct 1992, Vera Regan wrote:

> Call for papers for the Third International EUROSLA Conference,
> sponsored by the European Second Language Association: June 17-20,
> 1993, Sofia, Bulgaria. Please submit abstracts, and future
> correspondence,  to Prof. Dr. Andrei Danchev; University of Sofia;
> Faculty of Classical and Modern Languages; 15 Tsar Osvoboditel
> Blvd; SOFIA 1000; Bulgaria. Fax number: +359-2-463589. Telephone:
> +359-2-431291.
>
> For any further information about EUROSLA, please contact Dr. Vera
> Regan; French Department; University College Dublin; Belfield,
> Dublin 4; Ireland. E-mail: vmregan@irlearn.ucd.ie (internet) or
> vmregan@irlearn (bitnet/earn). Fax: +353.1.2694409.

Is there a specific format for submitting a proposal?  Or should I contact
Andrei Danchev for that?  Thanks for sending the info.

Joyce Neu
The Carter Center of Emory Univ.
Atlanta, GA 30307  USA
(404) 420-5174
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From:         "P.B.Nayar" <ELLNAYAR@NUSVM.BITNET>
Subject:      L2 phonology

This in reply to Bill Van Patten's query re phonological transfer.
Two books on cross-linguistic aspects of L2 in the last decade, both
contain at least one chapter on phonological transfer.

Gass, S.M. and L. Selinker. 1983. (ed) Languge Transfer in Language Learning
   Newbury House.

Kellerman, E & M.Sharwood-Smith. 1986. Cross-linguistic Influence in
   Second Languge Acquisition. Pergamon.

Bhaskaran Nayar.  National University of Singapore.
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:42:43 +0800
From:         NSWATHI@NTUVAX.NTU.AC.SG
Subject:      Improved English?

There are two issues:

(1)  Studying a foreign language makes one aware of grammar, diction
     and syntax of his own language.

(2)  Awareness of grammar, diction, and syntax of one's language
     will make him a better reader and writer of literature in his
     language.

  I agree with the first statement; I can speak from my own experience
but not with the second.

Swathi


  Dr. Swathi Vanniarajan
  Nanyang Technological University
  Tel : 65-4605163 or 65-7635624
  e-mail : nswathi@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
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From:         listen@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
Subject:      Re: Anonymous query

Bill vanPatten writes (and I have condensed):

I am not at all sanguine about foreign language departments understanding
anything about SLA. The sociology of the departments is such that usually
>non-linguistics and certainly non-SLA types tend to run things, i.e. wind
>up as heads and chairs of departments. In foreign languages, departments
>are by and large literature departments.  Getting colleagues in literature
>to understand what SLA requires work >Secondly, there are LINGUISTS in these
 very same departments who deny that SLA has anything to do with linguistics or
 that it should be viewed as such. Thirdly, there is no denying that in foreign
>languages, SLA types often wind up doing methodology oriented duties in the
>department, e.g. training teaching assistants, working with student
>teachers, teaching "The Methods Course" and so on. Thus, for many
>departments, SLA and Language Teaching are one and the same thing. After
>seven years at the U of I, I think that maybe a handful of my colleagues in
>the department understand what I do (thanks to a head who has championed
>diversity in our department). The others may regard me highly, but not
>because of my research.
>
>In my mind, the only way to straighten this out is to either (1) break away
>from "language" departments and/or (2) disassociate ourselves from language
>teaching. I can't see myself doing the latter but at times the first seems
>very appealing.

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I have had numerous discussions on these topics with colleagues across the
country.  I would very much appreciate comments from readers on Bill's 1st
proposal:  "In my mind, the only way to straighten this out is to either
(1) break away from "language" departments"

My questions:

1. Advantages and disadvantages to FL, SLA and our institutions?
2. Is thare a defensible theoretical basis for breaking away?
3. Political ploys.  The fur is going to fly like we've never seen it
before.

Also comments on:  "The others may regard me highly, but not because of my
research."

1. Politics aside (HA!) It seems to me that this is the greatest stumbling
block to the recognition of any work in any area of FL as 'scholarly'.

Frank Ryan
Center for Language Studies
Brown University
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From:         B1ROSS@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Lydia White Reference: Incomprehensible input

Does anyone know how I could contact Lydia White, the author of Against
Comprehensible Input...?
Thank you.  B1Ross@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu
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