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From: werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner)
Subject: Re: Silver and Lycanthopy
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:26:04 GMT

parmst@eos.ncsu.edu  writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     Hello All, 
>        Silver was a pretty recent addition to the werewolf myth
>     and was introduced when the first werewolf movie with Lon 
>     Chaney was made.

I don't know about the recentness(?) of silver, but the silver bullet is 
definitely recent...I believe (believe it or not I have never seen "The Wolf-
Man") that Talbot was killed when hit over the heart with a silver-tipped cane,
which incidently bore either a star or pentagram on the tip.  But, with silvers
notoriety as a "holy metal" it is no wonder that it is supposed to be bane 
against the "unholy" werewolf.  But the bullet really does make sense:  would
you want to walk into hand-to-hand combat with a knife, against a werecreature
of any sort?
-- 
Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------
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From: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com (THE Wademeister)
Subject: Re: Hello
Reply-To: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:23:49 GMT

gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:

>Hi! My name is Gard, and I'm not quite sure if I'm from Mars or if
>I am a werewolf. Can anyone help?

I would have to say mars,or maybe uranus.
-- 
"If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure"..V.P Dan Quayle....... 
 Let me say I am some say anyway a vary poor speller, I know what you are..... 
thinking,gee I hardly noticed but its true....|\\w//|.........................
.............OWNER..GRAVE DIGGERS.............................................
From: rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Ways of becoming a werewolf
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:14:31 GMT
Organization: UB

ll24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Larry Lyle) writes:

>>OK, so heres a quick question - how many ways are there to become a >werewolf?

>>The ones I can think of are :-

>>   1) Getting bitten by another werewolf....

`	Is this a folk memory of kundalini transmission? Calling Dr. Jung...

>>   2) Drinking dew from a werewolf's (or is it any wolf's) footprint ...

	Cf. myths of Mimir's well...

>>   3) I seem to remember something about fat made from a wolf...?

	Hallucinogens absorbed through the skin.


>>OK over to you.


>>    Simon

>Add to the list...


>	4) The use of salves  ( usually any type of fat and some sort of
>				poisonous plant)

	Hallucinogens.  Gotta love 'em.


>	5) Wearing a wolf skin  (and salves...)

	Unquestionably ritual uses of wolf skins existed.  But consider
the berserkers.  It is possible to alter the skin so that one may be
burnt without suffering damage.  Why not increase its hairiness?

	Calling Dr. Urrassenkreis ...
Luck
Rick
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From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman)
Subject: Re: Who is more powerful?
Organization: Sun User Group
Distribution: all
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:56:24 GMT

In article <b8lq+4k@lynx.unm.edu> haro@triton.unm.edu (..KANEDA..) writes:
>Who is more powerful, both mentally and physically, a wearwolf or a vampire?
>
>Rick
>
>

Over all, I would have to say a vampire.  Taken as absolutes, the two
are very similar:

Both are nearly invulnrable, save to a select group of weapons.

Both have preternatural strength.

Admittedly, a werewolf might have innate animal cunning and sheer
savagery on its side.  I also might allow that the werewolf is
stronger - although I'm not convinced of this.

However, vampires have intelligence and are tool users, two things
which give humans the advantage over animals, no matter how strong or
quick that animal is.  Also, vampires have metamorphic powers (into
rat, mist, wolf), hypnotic powers, and a host of other abilities which
werewolves do not.

Alex
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From: mlharley@unix1.tcd.ie (Kubik)
Subject: Re: S. P. Somtow's _Moon Dance_
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:31:48 GMT

Yeah, _Moon Dance_ A totally cool book. A marvellous piece of fiction.
Anybody who claims any interest in werewolves, or horror in general,
then this is a Must Read...

I lent my copy to someone, a couple of months ago, and haven't got it
back yet. mmmm... I'll have to grab it again... about time I reread it..

Mark.
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From: rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Who is more powerful?
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:55:16 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: UB

haro@triton.unm.edu (..KANEDA..) writes:

>Who is more powerful, both mentally and physically, a wearwolf or a vampire?

>Rick

	Well, I tend to think of vampirism as a Russian kind of thing.

Them bastards are howling out on the steppe.  Check Romanian and Russian
folklore.  There are some Russian folks who claim to be vampires, and
there are some occultists who claim the whole trick is pullng life-force 
out of folks, not drinking blood.  However, blood-drinking is a VERY
central part of Slavic magic.  I don't practice it, so don't ask me.

	Werewolves, on the other hand, are primarily Teutonic or
Nordic to my mind.  there are two theories:  either they dematerialized
their bodies and reformed them as wolves, or else they ran around
naked thinking they were wolves.  SOme of them only did it once a year:
some of them needed special belts.  Again, do research.

Luck
Rick
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From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Hello
Organization: MRIH, More og Romsdal Ingeniorhogskole
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 17:46:05 GMT

Hi! My name is Gard, and I'm not quite sure if I'm from Mars or if
I am a werewolf. Can anyone help?

/Gard (gardabr@unix1.mrih.no)
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From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: The ideal werewolf
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:03:39 GMT

Okay -- my ideal werewolf (or in other words, the kind I'd want to be):
-Would be able to change at will from completely human, to completely wolf, or
anywhere in between.
-In wolf form would be the same weight as in human form.
-Would need to satisfy both human and wolf needs -- Would have the need to hunt
as a wolf and be in a pack, and still have human needs as well. --except for
sleep. My ideal werewolf would not need sleep.
	The being would still have normal minds. It wouldn't just go killing,
killing, killing -- although that would be part of it -- to satisfy that need.
-Would be more powerful than any wolf -- mostly due to size.
-Would not _have_ to turn into a wolf ona full moon, but would feel a very
strong call to do so.
-If he/she failed to satisfy the needs of one form for too long, would become
wholly the one that did have its needs looked after.
-Would be immortal, able to be killed only by silver bullet.
-Could create other werewolves by the traditional biting method.
-Heirarchy in werewolf packs would be determined by who created who.

These are some of the charcteristics of my ideal werewolf (I'll post more as I
think of them) But the only thing I would _need_ to have as a werewolf would be
to know that I am a werewolf and remember everything in both forms. In other
words, _not_ like in American Werewolf in London -- in which the guy doesn't
know that he has been running around as a wolf type thing killing people.
	For just that I'd give just about anything and do just about anything.

As you might have guessed, I've thought about this a lot. To me it would be the
most incredible thing imaginable.

More later...
-Jordan
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Ways of becoming a werewolf
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:34:26 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <1393@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> sch@oasis.icl.co.uk (Simon Hamner) writes:
>OK, so heres a quick question - how many ways are there to become a werewolf?
>
>The ones I can think of are :-
>
>   1) Getting bitten by another werewolf....
>
>   2) Drinking dew from a werewolf's (or is it any wolf's) footprint ...
>
>   3) I seem to remember something about fat made from a wolf...?
>
>
    4) Sleeping in the light of a full moon (hey, that would mean there
	are a LOT of werewolves :-)

    5) Something to do with being fed wolfsbane and some secret
	ingredient which I forget...

--Jason
From: ll24+@andrew.cmu.edu (Larry Lyle)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Ways of becoming a werewolf
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:37:28 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>OK, so heres a quick question - how many ways are there to become a >werewolf?

>The ones I can think of are :-

>   1) Getting bitten by another werewolf....

>   2) Drinking dew from a werewolf's (or is it any wolf's) footprint ...

>   3) I seem to remember something about fat made from a wolf...?


>OK over to you.


>    Simon

Add to the list...


	4) The use of salves  ( usually any type of fat and some sort of
				poisonous plant)

	5) Wearing a wolf skin  (and salves...)


There are more.. but these are the two that immediately come to mind...



De
Lycanthrope
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman)
Subject: Re: question about lycanthropes
Organization: Sun User Group
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:02:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.230833.1071@leland.Stanford.EDU> tolsen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tanya Ann Olsen) writes:
>In article <If2KiJK00awIQ3fGAm@andrew.cmu.edu> Larry Lyle <ll24+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>	Hmmmm, Good question.  I think considering the myth behind the word and
>>the fact that I have never heard it applied to other werebeasts.. that
>>'lycantyhrope' refers exclusively to werewolves.
>>
>>De
>>The Lupophile
>>
>>
>>The werewolf at CMU  ...   Lycanthrope@cmu.edu
>
>
>I've commonly heard the word lycanthrope used in reference to 'weres' in 
>general.  In AD&D's Monster Manual, they list lycanthropes as a major 
>heading under which werewolves, werbears, wertigers, and wererats are
>all included....
>
>Tanya

Tanya, you may get a lot of criticism for using AD&D as a source for
anything.  AD&D is complete fantasy and is not above making things up
or changing things to preserve game balance or their copyright.  Some
of their most outrageous claims are things like 'platemail' which
doesn't exist and never did, and the fact that an *average* bowman
(first level) can fire a bow twice per round - or 12 times per minute.
Robin Hood in 'Lyttle Gest of Robine Hoode' could fire that fast.
Your average first level character isn't Robin Hood.

What AD&D refers to as 'lycanthropes' are probably best referred to as
shapeshifters.  Lycanthrope, as I've said before, always means
'werewolf'.

Alex
troll@sug.org
One of the the playtesters for AD&D ;-)
From: drwho@wpi.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: The Howling series
Date: 18 Nov 1992 05:53:36 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <psmith.722016037@cunews> psmith@alfred.carleton.ca (Peter Smith) writes:
>Complaints aside, is the rest of the series as bad as II.  

Ah, my favorite subject!  The Howling movies were all made by
different people.  It's mainly an anthology series; the stories are,
for the most part, unconnected.  (Although there seem to have been
three novels.)  Since they're all different, you really can't judge
any one of them by any of the others.  Here are my HO's, with possible
spoilers.  (Note: Being in college, I don't have the time or the
resources to rent movies, so I've only seen them on TV.  Bummer.)

The Howling
Awesome FX; expect nothing less from Joe Dante.  VERY recommended.
Based on the novel by Gary Brandner (which I can't find anywhere. Grr.)

Howling II: Your Sister Is A Werewolf
Nothing like the first, but loosely connected to it.  Based on
"Howling II" by Gary Brandner.  Unimpressive FX, no plot.
Nice orgy scene between furry women and men, if you like that sort of
thing. :)  Try to avoid.

The Marsupials: Howling III
Australian film.  Based on "Howling III" by, you guessed it, Gary
Brandner.  (I can't find any of these books!)  A marsupial werewolf
woman wants to escape the cruelty of her pack, and falls in love with
a human.  Good FX, interesting story, but in a lighter vein.  It's a 
good movie, but don't take it too seriously.  It's a fun movie.

Howling IV: The Original Nightmare
Takes place before the first one.  FX suck big time.  Uninteresting plot.
Avoid.

Howling V: the Rebirth
Ten people trapped in a castle for the night.  One is a werewolf.  Can
you figure out who it is before the movie ends?  A naive little movie, but
not bad.  The FX are very true to the first film, but if you blink
you'll miss them.  Released directly to video(?)

Howling VI: the Freaks
Werewolf in a carnival sideshow breaks loose.  OK, I haven't seen this
movie yet, but the commercials I have seen make the FX look **VERY** good.  
Plotwise, many horror fans tend to think this is the best of all the 
sequels so far!  Released directly to video.

So, in order of my personal preference, from best to worst:

Howling 1
Howling 3
Howling 5
Howling 2
Howling 4

(And I can't wait to see 6, I have a feeling it's going to top number 3!)

So there.

--E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu)  # Who is this John person, and where does
a.k.a.:  The Eternal Newbie,  # he have to be at 3:16?
The Amazing Tubeman!,         # 
Murphy's Law Incarnate        # 
Any similarities what I say and what I mean are purely coincidental.
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From: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com (THE Wademeister)
Subject: FULL MOON
Reply-To: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:25:33 GMT

Hi, my name is wade and i'm a werewolve.
-- 
"If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure"..V.P Dan Quayle....... 
 Let me say I am some say anyway a vary poor speller, I know what you are..... 
thinking,gee I hardly noticed but its true....|\\w//|.........................
.............OWNER..GRAVE DIGGERS.............................................
From: drwho@planet10.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: The Howling series
Date: 20 Nov 1992 20:39:58 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: planet10.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov19.190059.28082@news.unomaha.edu> werewolf@cwis.unomaha.edu (Eric E. Buckner) writes:
>drwho@wpi.WPI.EDU  writes:
>
>> Howling VI: the Freaks
>> Werewolf in a carnival sideshow breaks loose.  OK, I haven't seen this
>> movie yet, but the commercials I have seen make the FX look **VERY** good.  

>The FX are mediocre, not really to be compared with H 1, but they're not bad.
>Also, I didn't like the appearance of the werewolf.  It was like Lon Chaney's,
>just not as hairy (kind of slimy too).

Well, I was impressed by the werewolf's legs.  (No, I'm not a
pervert!:-)  The werewolf was digitigrade, so his legs had that
double-jointed or backward-bended look that many animals' hind legs
have.  This was used in Howling I, and I thought it was a very
effective way to emphasize the werewolf's animal nature.  I was
pleased to see that it was used again in Howling VI, and I wish it
would be done more often in werewolf movies.  In fact, I'd also like
to see a decent faun or satyr in the movies for a change.

>-- 
>Never trust the obvious.-- "This," I said pleasantly, "is known as getting it 
>on." Charlie Decker, from Stephen King's "Rage"-- "Oh, shit!" anon. wise man--
>ALBATROSS!-- It's amazing what you can do, if you don't know you can't do it.
>"Denn die Toten reiten schnell." passanger from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"-------

--E.V.L. (drwho@wpi.wpi.edu)  # Who is this John person anyway, and where does
a.k.a.:  The Eternal Newbie,  # he have to be at 3:16?
The Amazing Tubeman!,         # 
Murphy's Law Incarnate        # 
Any similarities what I say and what I mean are purely coincidental.

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From: scott@sfi.santafe.edu (Scott D. Yelich)
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:49:14 GMT
Organization: Santa Fe Institute

> Hi! My name is Gard, and I'm not quite sure if I'm from Mars or if
> I am a werewolf. Can anyone help?
> /Gard (gardabr@unix1.mrih.no)

My rate is $250/hr ..... US.  I figure after about 6 months of 5hrs a
week, I will be able to tell you whatever you want.

Oh, your news posting system is broken.

Scott

Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: bwood@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (William Wood)
Subject: Re: more questions
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:50:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.092642.7915@coli.uni-sb.de>, dido@coli.uni-sb.de (Doris Diedrich) writes...
>jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
> 
>>one more question:
>>Does anybody have some *really* good werewolf movies to recommend?
>>-either high quality w/ good effects and story
>>-or just classics I should see
>>-or anything else interesting.
> 
>>Also-
>>What's your ideal werewolf? I'm interested to know what other people have
>>thought. I'll share mine soon.
> 
> 
>Okay. I like the werewolf who knows what he is. He would make suizid if he
>losted his hope. He thinks that one day , there will be help for him.
>I once saw a few parts of a serie named "werewolf". I think its an american
>serie. I am not really shure, cause I saw it in the european tv.
>In fact it were not really good movies. But I liked the character of the
>werewolf in it.
>Doris
> 


American werewolf in London is the best.  It comes closest to reality
to show how us guys really live..........
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From: stv@unislc.uucp (Steve Spencer)
Subject: Silver and werewolves
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:43:18 GMT


As was mentioned in another article on this net, silver was not always
the traditional way of killing a werewolf. I find that most myhts
have some "reasoning" behind them. And I tend to doubt that silver
is the real killer of these beasts. So my question is: What was considered
the magical remedy before? I'm willing to bet it's either some sort 
of mystical ritual, or some odd concoction made with an "antidote" to
wolfsbane. Anybody know?


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Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: question about lycanthropes
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:31:33 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Nov19.183103.14931@unislc.uucp>, stv@unislc.uucp (Steve Spencer) writes:
> So tell me, net readers, if lycanthropecy
> is not he correct name to group all these "were beasts" uner, then what 
> is?

Werebeasts? Werethings? Shapeshifters (nah--no style)?

Would they fall under the jurisdiction of this newsgroup?

If so, do we have to take over the duties of the vampyre group, since
vampires are notorious shapechangers?

Would politicians be shapeshifters?

Help!

Yours under the full moon,
--Semhaza
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman)
Subject: Re: The ideal werewolf
Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:33:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.180339.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>Okay -- my ideal werewolf (or in other words, the kind I'd want to be):
>-Would be able to change at will from completely human, to completely wolf, or
>anywhere in between.

Hmm...OK.  I can see this.

>-In wolf form would be the same weight as in human form.

Right.  Conservation of matter.  Makes for a *big* wolf.

>-Would need to satisfy both human and wolf needs -- Would have the need to hunt
>as a wolf and be in a pack, and still have human needs as well. --except for
>sleep. My ideal werewolf would not need sleep.

Why on Earth not?  Wolves need to sleep.  Humans need to sleep.
Wolfhumans shoudl need to sleep.

>	The being would still have normal minds. It wouldn't just go killing,
>killing, killing -- although that would be part of it -- to satisfy
>that need.

Wolves do not have a 'need' to kill.  They only kill when hungry or
threatened.  There are only a handful of animals that are constantly
hungry, and only two that hunt for sport; and man is one of them.

>-Would be more powerful than any wolf -- mostly due to size.

And intellect.

>-Would not _have_ to turn into a wolf ona full moon, but would feel a very
>strong call to do so.

Goes along with having the ability to control the change.

>-Would be immortal, able to be killed only by silver bullet.

What about in human form? What about a silver knife? Werewolves don't
age? What about werewolves 'born' before the invention of guns?

>-Could create other werewolves by the traditional biting method.
>-Heirarchy in werewolf packs would be determined by who created who.

I don't think so.  Hierarchy of wolfpacks is survival of the fittest,
not seniority.  You want to be boss; you've got to be tougher than all
others.

>These are some of the charcteristics of my ideal werewolf (I'll post
>more as I think of them) But the only thing I would _need_ to have as
>a werewolf would be to know that I am a werewolf and remember
>everything in both forms. In other >words, _not_ like in American
>Werewolf in London -- in which the guy doesn't >know that he has been
>running around as a wolf type thing killing people.
>	For just that I'd give just about anything and do just about anything.

>As you might have guessed, I've thought about this a lot. To me it
>would be the most incredible thing imaginable.
>
>More later...
>-Jordan

Since it's a fantasy, I probably shouldn't analyze it too much, but
you haven't created an ideal werewolf, you've described an ideal, that
happens to be a werewolf.  It's a superhero.  It's a demigod.  There
are some things that make werewolves what they are.  There is some
variation, but all werewolves have one or two common, underlying
themes.  One of them is that being a werewolf is not a joy.

Alex
troll@sug.org
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Sources, please?
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:23:28 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <Bxz5Ju.9Ao@world.std.com>, troll@sug.org (A. Newman) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.221934.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>Can someone please suggest good books on werewolf folklore
>>and fact? No fiction, please, I can find plenty of that.
>>Thanks in advance!
> 
> I'm curious as to why you separate 'folklore' from fiction...but
> that's semantics.

What I had in mind:  I didn't want anyone to tell me, "Author X
wrote a great story in 1987 where the werewolves are actually little
green men from outer space! Check it out, you'll love it!"
 
> Here's a sampling that may interest you.  
[list deleted]

Beautiful! Thank you.

Yours under the full moon,
--Semhaza
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