From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Bush's China policy--what the hell is going on?
Organization: Clarkson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:33:53 GMT

visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>In <farenebt.718240223@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell ("Droopy")) writes:

>	It has nothing to do with oil, it has to do with a veto in the
>security council.
				
China has always been a loner anyways.
 
>	Now if you go pick a fight with china, your not very likely to
>get very far anyway.  The best you could hope for is to isolate china
>which would probably end up helping the leadership.

Picking a fight? It was morally acceptable to "pick a fight" with
South Africa, Iraq and now with Serbia. Why is it wrong to do
it to China? 

I also fail to see how we're "picking a fight". We are simply saying to
China, "If you want us to give you favors, you have to abide by certain
rules." If they choose not to, then we give them regular trade
status. How is that "picking a fight"?!!

>	As bad as china is, they are not practicing apartied, systimatically
>rounding up ethnic groups and killing them (Bosnia) or trying to take over
>other countries (Iraq).

>	Now if you want to talk about "human rights" violations, there is
>a very long list as bad or worse than China including places like Burma
>and Indonesia.

Sure. What happened in Kuwait happens all the time in countries
run by US-supported dictatorships. Iraq was once one. Panama was
once one.

>	But then again I have to wonder about the motives of people who
>show such concern for poor Iraq and opposition to a policy that worked.

I show no concern for poor Iraq. WHere the hell did you get that
from? I certainly would have shed no tears if Saddam had been hit
by a smart bomb. How exactly do you define "worked" anyways? Most
people think that either we didn't go far enough (by not deposing
Saddam) or that we went too far being there in the first place.

>+>"Just say noe" to four more years of hypocrisy.

>	Hypocrisy - People compaining about the Gulf war at the same
>time they are talking about human rights in china.

Where in my post do I complain about the gulf war? I'm saying
that if you want someone to do you a favor, you can't be surprised
if they attach strings to it. You are not forced to like or accept
the strings; but then again, you don't have to accept the perks either.

CHINA WANTS US TO DO THEM A FAVOR MY GIVING THEM MFN TRADE STATUS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO ABIDE BY ANY OBLIGATIONS WE PUT ON THEM.
(sounds a lot like a certain ex-Israeli prime minister)

IF CHINA DOESN'T WANT TO IMPROVE THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD. THAT'S
FINE WITH ME; BUT THEY DON'T DESERVE MFN STATUS EITHER.

I'm just saying it's inconsistent to condemn human rights violations
in some places, and then sweep them under the carpet when one
of our "friends" does it.
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FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU     	 incompetent."  --Salvor Hardin	
CLARKSON '95
A politically incorrect, pro-life, liberal, card-carrying member of the ACLU.
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