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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Dividing Macedonia (and similar Turkish crap)
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:50:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BvrLoB.5wF
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes:

>During its recent history, Greece has been the agressor in that section
>of the world.  Its birth itself was an uprising against the weakening
>Ottoman Empire. It collaborated with other Balkan nations to throw the
>Turks out of Europe.....

 Well, what do we have here?  It seems that Greeks prefer to be free 
 rather than being slaves to the Turks.  However, we should have asked 
 Mr. Akkus first. Hey, in fact the Greek revolution did not hapen because
 the Greeks wanted to be free.  Mr. Akkus gives us the reason: the purpose
 was to throw the Turks out of Europe !!!

 I have to make a suggestion to Mr. Akkus: Check the complexity of your
 reasoning pal, and then start writing about what Greeks think about Turks.
 Hey, also limit your imagination.

>Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu

 Panos Tamamidis
From: cmp0118@sys.uea.ac.uk (S. Green)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: RE:English language and behaviour
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:50:34 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

How is it possible for English people NOT to speak English? After all, they did
invent the language! American English is a dialect which was adopted by the 
descendants of the original North American colonists (often themselves of
Anglo-Saxon descent...). Words such as 'french fries' are merely the equivalents
of the Standard (i.e. Oxford) English equivalents (such as 'chips'). Non-English
tongues have borrowed more heavily from the American dialect rather than the
'British' dialect because of American influence over the non-English-speaking
world in the 20th century. Therefore, to suggest that words such as 'chips' are
not true English is a fallacious proposition. It is simply the case that words
such as 'french fries' are borrowed from the American, rather the 'British' 
version of the language. Do you suggest that Cantonese is somehow an 'incorrect'
dialect of Chinese, and that Mandarin speakers are the only 'true' Chinese speakers
in the world?! Well, exactly.....
From: MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Re: RAID 7 seminars - Hungarian language info & Hungary seminars?
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:55:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: tuna.199210091802.AA09512
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

Regarding the availability of RAID 7 information in Hungarian and the
possibility of Storage Computer executive Andras Sarkozy giving his RAID 7
seminars in Hungary, you might wish to check with him directly, as I have no
personal information on either of these topics.  Hungarian speakers could
call or FAX him at their headquarters in New Hampshire, USA.  The telephone
number is 603-880-3005, and the FAX is 603-889-7232.

Maybe he will be able to put on some of those RAID 7 disk array seminars
in Budapest and other cities such as Debrecen, Szeged, Pecs, or Miskolc.

Michael.Willett@OFFICE.Wang.com
From: joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Re: AGORA-SCMPOST Re:<1066> English teaching in Hungary?
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:49:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

I am alos interested in teaching opportunities in Hungary.  How about posting
any info, since there seems to be quite a large audience for this.
From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 15 OCT, 1992 (excerpts)
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SOUTH KOREAN LOAN TO HUNGARY. South Korea will extend $650 million
credit to Hungary, Hungarian radio reported on 14 October 1992,
quoting sources in Seoul. The report said that $150 million had
already been provided and negotiations were under way in Budapest
for further credits from a South Korean five-year fund set up to
help developing countries. (Karoly Okolicsanyi, RFE/RL Inc.)
 
CIA CHIEF IN HUNGARY. Hungarian radio reported that CIA Chief
Robert Gates met with Prime Minister Jozsef Antall on 14 October
1992 in Budapest. Gates is on his first ever visit to Eastern
Europe. He arrived from Poland and will visit the countries of the
former Soviet Union. The meeting in the Prime Minister's office
was attended by Hungarian Internal Affairs Minister Peter Boross,
Minister Without Portfolio for National Security, Tibor Fuzessy
and US Ambassador Charles H. Thomas. No details were disclosed
about the subjects discussed. (Karoly Okolicsanyi, RFE/RL Inc.)

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From: schuyler@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Carlton Schuyler)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Re: AGORA-SCMPOST Re: <1066> English teaching in Hungary?
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:19:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: shaggyma.9210152019.AA15182
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science

In article <1992Oct11.102413.11507@fy.chalmers.se>  geza@fy.chalmers.se (Geza Ful|p writes:
>joewhite@ut-emx.uucp (Joe Carl White) writes:
>
>>I am also interested in teaching opportunities in Hungary.  How about posting
>>any info, since there seems to be quite a large audience for this.
>
>I think that's a good idea. However I can give you an idea that is
>not exactly an answer on your question but it is related to it:
>if you would be interested in teaching English in Transsylvania,
>I could give you some addresses.
>
>                       Geza

Give us ALL the addresses!  (provided there are not too many of them)
I think there should be enough interest in the group to warrant such a
posting, yes?

-Carl [schuyler@cis.ohio-state.edu]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: abpalota@athena.mit.edu (Arpad B Palotas)
Subject: Re: Dictionary
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:40:40 GMT

|> 	I have placed 1 Forint in an escrow account in the event that you
|> or anyone else locates these on-line dictionaries and can give me a means
|> of verifying their availability. Reading the first part of your letter I
|> feared that I would have to part with 1 Forint, but I see that I will be
|> able to collect interest on it for at least one week before forking it
|> over. I will raise the amount of the wager to 2 Forint if, in addition
|> having the existence of these on-line dictionaries demonstrated to me, it
|> is also demonstrated to me that they actually work.
|> 
|> 			Regards,
|> 			Florian Lengyel


	Dear Florian, and Everybody It May Concern,

	The promised German-Hongurian Dictionary is available for you.
It is located on BBS "TelComTec" in Hungary, and you can reach it by using a
modem. Phone number: +36 46 324 222 (1200/2400 baud, N,8,1).
Probably the Dictionary consists of more than one part and they are located on the
area called "Angol Nyelvu oktatoprogramok". I don't know the name of the files,
but there is a comment for them "Nemet-magyar szotar Palotas Arpadnak, 
fogadasbol."
If you have not enough time to download the files, leave a message to the SysOp
(to Rode Gabor), and write him, that you want to have these files (Mention the
keywords: "fogadas", "dictionary" and "Mork Peter" !!) and need some extra time.
I was promised, that in this case you should have enough time.
I'am not sure about the quality of the phone connection to Hungary from e.g. the 
U.S., but that is all I could arrange from here. From Germany you probably won't 
have any problem.

Good luck,
	Arpad

p.s.: Florian, have you sent that huge amount yet?
From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: RFE/RL Daily Report 13 OCT, 1992
Date: 13 Oct 1992 08:07:53 -0500
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HUNGARY'S 1993 DEFENSE BUDGET. Pending approval by parliament,
Hungary's defense expenditures will be raised some 10% to 66
billion forint in 1993, MTI reported on 11 October. The amount,
while covering the army's day-to-day needs, is not enough to
maintain its combat and operational capability at the present
level. The pay of conscripts, military students, and low-earning
regular soldiers and civilian employees will be raised; 10.9
billion forint are to be spent on the maintenance of the military's
assets (worth 660 billion forint) and 1.9 on repairs, with emphasis
on ground and air force units. Because of budget restrictions,
pilots will be able to fly only 60 to 65 hours instead of the
present 80 to 85. Essential parts to be obtained from the former
Soviet Union cannot be purchased next year for the lack of the
necessary 3 billion forint. (Alfred Reisch, RFE/RL Inc.)
 
CSURKA SPEAKS OUT AGAIN. The controversial Vice President of the
ruling Hungarian Democratic Forum party, Istvan Csurka, repeated
his extreme views in an interview in the latest edition, 12 October
1992, of the German news-magazine Der Spiegel. Csurka said that his
idea of a Hungarian living space was not equivalent to the German
Lebensraum concept, because his objective was not to expand but to
protect the existing living space of Hungarians. Csurka said that
the Slovak constitution did not recognize the rights of the
Hungarian minority there which suggested that the Hungarian
minority was in danger. Responding to the charge that his views
that because of their alleged links with the Kadar-era nomenklatura
and the international finance and bank world, the Jews were the
eternal and sworn enemy of Hungarians, Csurka said,"this is not
something I have invented but a fact." (Karoly Okolicsanyi,
RFE/RL Inc.)
 
POLISH FOREIGN MINISTER IN HUNGARY. Hungarian radio reported that
Poland's Foreign Minister, Krysztof Skubiszewski, arrived in
Budapest, to coordinate the views of the countries of the Visegrad
Triangle before the forthcoming EC summit in London. Skubiszewski
also dicussed issues related to a free-trade-zone agreement between
Poland, Hungary and Slovakia, which is to be signed on 30 November
1992 in Krakow. (Karoly Okolicsanyi, RFE/RL Inc.)

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From: dfrankow@myria.cs.umn.edu (Dan Frankowski)
Subject: Current information on Hungary
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:43:49 GMT

Dear Mr. Fekete:

Thanks very much for posting news on Hungary.  I spent a semester in
Budapest and am now applying for a Fulbright scholarship to return.
The information you provide will hopefully help my knowledge of
current events in Hungary, thereby helping my interview.

I also wonder if you know of any electronic repositories of
information on current populations on cities, what kinds of commerce
Hungary does, and so on.  If not, that's fine; I'll go to a library.
I just think that all of Eastern Europe is changing so fast that
most of a paper library's resources will be out of date.

Thanks,

Dan
--
Dan Frankowski                dfrankow@cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: eva@puhep1.princeton.edu (Eva Zeisky)
Subject: Re: Hungarian crew for Mystery TV series.
Organization: Physics Dept., Princeton University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:40:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.162631.22966@tvnews.tv.tek.com>, dougs@tvnews.tv.tek.com (Doug Stevens) writes:
|> I watched Mystery's first installment of Inspector Maigret last night. 
|> In the credits, about half of the names listed for the production crew 
|> were Hungarian. Any idea why?


I also wondered about that.  
-- 

========================       
Eva S. Zeisky                 
                          
esz@pupgg.princeton.edu    
========================     

Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: mutation@dorsai.com (Florian Lengyel)
Subject: Re: Dictionary
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy +1.718.729.5018
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 10:20:28 GMT

abpalota@athena.mit.edu (Arpad B Palotas) writes:
: 
: |> I'll bet 1 forint that no such Angol (or even Nemet) Magyar szotar
: |> exists. 
: |> 
: |> 			Make checks payable to:
: |> 			Florian Lengyel
: 
: Dear Florian,
: 
: You can send 1 Forint to my address, since there exist both "Angol" and "Nemet
: szotar" in files for PC's. One of them is the mentioned ET (English Tutor ?), wich
: is a commercial programme. But there are separate English-Hungarian-English and
: German-Hungarian-German dictionaries also (I don't know whether they are good or 
: not).
: Unfortunately I am not in Hungary at the moment, so I can't tell you how to reach
: them, but I will try to know and will write the result in a week or two.
: 
: You should send that huge amount only if I was succesfull in getting the result:
: 
: Arpad

	I have placed 1 Forint in an escrow account in the event that you
or anyone else locates these on-line dictionaries and can give me a means
of verifying their availability. Reading the first part of your letter I
feared that I would have to part with 1 Forint, but I see that I will be
able to collect interest on it for at least one week before forking it
over. I will raise the amount of the wager to 2 Forint if, in addition
having the existence of these on-line dictionaries demonstrated to me, it
is also demonstrated to me that they actually work.

			Regards,
			Florian Lengyel

-- 
MUTATION@DORSAI.COM
FLORIAN@NEOTERIC.COM
From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 12 OCT, 1992 (excerpts)
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SLOVAK FOREIGN MINISTER DISMISSES COMPLAINTS OF ETHNIC HUNGARIANS.
Slovak Foreign Minister Milan Knazko was quoted by CTSK on 9
October as having said after a meeting with French Foreign Minister
Roland Dumas in Paris that he had never seen a specific example of
abuse of the Hungarian minority in Slovakia. Knazko reportedly told
Dumas that "increasing nationalism from Budapest" had caused
members of Slovakia's ethnic minorities to protest "some sort of
fictitious violations of their rights." He said that minority
demands in Slovakia were aimed at the destruction of the civil
society and the state. (Jan Obrman, RFE/RL Inc.)
 
HUNGARIAN-AUSTRIAN DEPORTATION AGREEMENT. Hungarian and Austrian
Interior Ministers signed a deportation agreement in Salzburg on 10
October, Hungarian radio reported. The agreement had been sought by
Austria, but Hungary could not sign before it had similar
agreements with its other neighbors. An agreement was recently
concluded between Hungary and Romania. Both agreements stipulate
that illegal immigrants and refugees can be sent back to the
country of their origin. (Karoly Okolicsanyi, RFE/RL Inc.)

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From: "martin gaudi" <martin.gaudi@canrem.com>
Subject: dictionary
Reply-To: "martin gaudi" <martin.gaudi@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:25:38 EST

I have seen a programme, called ET (English Tutor?), in Hungary.  It has
an English-Hungarian dictionary of approximately 4,000 words.  It is
also a neat programme for tutoring in English at the beginner's and
intermediate levels.  I believe the folks at Mu"szaki Egyetem have this
programme in Budapest. I have no idea whether it is ShareWare or a
commarcial programme.
                                      Martin Gaudi
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: abpalota@athena.mit.edu (Arpad B Palotas)
Subject: Re: Dictionary
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 13:18:12 GMT


|> I'll bet 1 forint that no such Angol (or even Nemet) Magyar szotar
|> exists. 
|> 
|> 			Make checks payable to:
|> 			Florian Lengyel

Dear Florian,

You can send 1 Forint to my address, since there exist both "Angol" and "Nemet
szotar" in files for PC's. One of them is the mentioned ET (English Tutor ?), wich
is a commercial programme. But there are separate English-Hungarian-English and
German-Hungarian-German dictionaries also (I don't know whether they are good or 
not).
Unfortunately I am not in Hungary at the moment, so I can't tell you how to reach
them, but I will try to know and will write the result in a week or two.

You should send that huge amount only if I was succesfull in getting the result:

Arpad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: mutation@dorsai.com (Florian Lengyel)
Subject: Re: Dictionary
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy +1.718.729.5018
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 06:00:04 GMT

I'll bet 1 forint that no such Angol (or even Nemet) Magyar szotar
exists. 

			Make checks payable to:
			Florian Lengyel
From: zoltan@risc3.mi.Uni-Koeln.DE (Zoltan Sekeres)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Stephanie: "meg"
Date: 7 Oct 1992 15:27:09 GMT
Organization: Institute for Mathematics, University of Cologne, Germany
Distribution: world
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Hi Stephanie Racette,

By my own fault I've lost your E-mail address :-(, so I have to post
my answer to this newsgroup.


Regarding your question:
I just talked to my mother, and she told me that - as you already know -
you use "meg" only to emphasize a word or a statement. But WHEN you use
it is up to you. For example between 

"Most meg ertem." and "Most ertem."

there is hardly any difference, less than between

"I really understand." and "I understand.".

Again refering to my mother "megtalalni" is the emphasized form and is
just more often used than "talalni"

So all I can say is that it depends on you whether you use "meg" or not.
There is no rule, and the only way to use it in the right manner is to
listen to Hungarians regularly and take over their habits.

If you are interested in more, just send me a mail. In two weeks my 
Hungarian lessons start over again so I am able to ask my teacher,
who is more familiar with the grammar and can better explain it than
my mother.

                     Zoltan

PS: Hungarian language is WEIRD !!!

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From: weisz@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.weisz)
Subject: Travel bargain?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:08:19 GMT


I half-heard an ad on radio this morning which talked about very cheap
air fares and short-stay packages to Vienna and Budapest with AUSTRIA AIRLINES.
Something like $580 for r.t. air fare (from New York) and a 5-day stay 
in either city, per person, double occupancy.

Does anyone have info on this?  It sounds like a good deal.

Thanks.

Robert Weisz
Naperville, Illinois USA
...att!ihlpe!weisz
From: dougs@tvnews.tv.tek.com (Doug Stevens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Hungarian crew for Mystery TV series.
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:26:31 GMT
Organization: Tektronix TV Measurement Systems, Beaverton, OR

I watched Mystery's first installment of Inspector Maigret last night. 
In the credits, about half of the names listed for the production crew 
were Hungarian. Any idea why?
From: FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
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HUNGARY AND THE EMBARGO.  Janos Nagy, deputy commander of the
Customs and Excise Office, reported that 10 to 12 trucks a day try
to cross the border with rump Yugoslavia carrying goods in
violation of the UN embargo. He said that customs officers have
also held up two freighters on the Danube and 117 railway
deliveries since the embargo was imposed on 1 June.  Nagy said
that Hungarian customs officers are doing everything in their
power to implement the embargo and make others observe it too,
Radio Budapest and MTI report.  (Edith Oltay, RFE/RL, Inc.)
 
ANTALL MEETS HUNGARIAN PARTY LEADERS FROM SLOVAKIA.  Prime
Minister Jozsef Antall held talks on 6 October with coalition
leaders from Coexistence, the Hungarian Christian Democratic
Movement, and the Hungarian People's Party.  The talks focused on
political developments in the Czech and Slovak republics and the
situation of the Hungarian minority in Slovakia.  Antall
reiterated that his government has no intention of isolating
Slovakia and seeks to promote its integration into Europe.  Antall
and the party leaders agreed, according to MTI, "that the
situation of the Hungarian minority in Slovakia should be settled
. . . considering the principle of self-government." The party
leaders from Slovakia advocated the convening of an international
conference on East Central Europe to discuss the problems of
democratic transformation and the protection of minority rights.
(Edith Oltay, RFE/RL, Inc.)
 
900,000 FOREIGNERS TURNED BACK AT HUNGARIAN BORDER.  Jozsef
Komuves, deputy spokesman for the Hungarian border guards,
reported that some 900,000 foreigners have been turned back at the
border in the past 12 months, a year after increased border
controls took effect in Hungary.  The foreigners lack travel
documents or money to finance their stay in Hungary. The great
majority--some 798,000--were Romanian citizens, 27,000 came from
the CIS states, 25,000 were Poles, 17,000 were Bulgarians, and the
remaining 33,000 came from the Third World.  MTI carried the
report.  (Edith Oltay, RFE/RL, Inc.)

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