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From: U38250@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: AM I WSR or BSR ?
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:04:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92227.130430U38250
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Supersedes: <92227.115322U38250@uicvm.uic.edu>

I've recently heated up a lot of emotional discussion here. I did not
mean to. Somebody accused me of spreading hatred. I did not. Somebody
felt offended. I apologize though I didn't mean to do it.

First of all, Yu@Chang.asd.sgi.com thought that I was suggesting his own
family was to blame. He misunderstood me. Secondly, Shao@ucsu.Colorado.edu
said that " Do you think the 2nd generation of your family who arrived
Taiwan claimed theirselves Taiwanese so fast ? " He is getting emotional.

The problem here is that everybody is PREOCCUPIED by the image of
being a WSR or a BSR. When they read the opposite opinion, they take it
for granted that "this guy must be a BSR or TIer" or "this guy must be
a mainlander"; and then their opinions were distorted, misunderstood.
People started to get outraged, and become emotional in their writings.

Come on, guys. Wanna hear my story ?

My father was 15 when three uniformed man entered his house in SanTung
(south of the mountain)
and trapped (kidnapped) him into the army. His mother (my grandma, who
I never met) was kneeing down on the floor, crying, but was kicked away.
He never saw his mom again (although he did find her graveyard three years
ago, he was crying like crazy). He is a WSR, according to people's definition.

My mother is a 7th-generation mainlander in Taiwan, whose father died of a
heart attack when KMT forfeited 90% of his land during the famous 375 rent-
reduction. One of her brothers was killed during 2.28 event. She is a BSR,
according to people's definition.

I don't know how they met each other and got married. But they have one
thing in commom; and that is, both of them are afraid of "something", both
of them are angry with "something", which they dare not to speak out.

Now, guys, tell me which catagory I belong to, which label I should be
affixed. Am I a WSR or BSR ?

When I said "Who is to blame", I meant all the politicians that made this
historical tragedy were to blame. I explained that again in my second
followup, but people were just so preoccupied, so deeply emotional that
they did not want to read between the lines.

Come on, guys! My wife is a WSR, according to people's definition. My son
was born here in the U.S.. Tell me which catagory my son should be placed.
If you see this, Shao@ucsu, I'll tell you my son thinks he is American !
Yes, SO FAST !

All I wanted to said, initially, was that :
(1) A government or a political party should be responsible to what their
predecessor did. Open up their minds.
(2) No more WSR or BSR, please. If we were all born and raised in Taiwan,
just consider we are all Taiwanese. Let's work together for a better Taiwan.

Come on, guys, don't be emotional anymore !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: phc65823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter H Chou)
Subject: Re: about air-lines across pacific...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:14:11 GMT
Keywords: air-lines, pacific

jack@eecs.nwu.edu (Kuo-Feng Liao) writes:

>Hi, 

>   Could anyone express their experience with United Airline in the trip  
>USA<-->Taipei ?   

>   Thank you.

It was fine, everything on-time, good service, all that
From: ckc20@cd.amdahl.com (Chien-Kang Cheng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: What is BSR and WSR??
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:31:27 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

BSR means Taiwanese natives. (Ben3 Seng3 Ren2)
WSR means those who come from mainland china around 1949 (Wai4 Seng3 Ren2)

ChienKang
From: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Why Use a Lightbulb?
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:57:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

In article <1992Aug18.054016.9675@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <6269@ucru2.ucr.edu> lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:
>>Boy, that subject caught your attention, huh?  :)
>>Yes, why use a lightbulb?  NO! Not the ones that give
>>out light!  I'm talking about when Taiwanese couples
>>date, why do they bring a "lightbulb" (dun1-pao4)?
>>
>>I was just reading this in soc.culture.asian.american,
>When I was in Taiwan, I often served as one. :-)  I guess it has to do a lot
>with the idea of preserving the women's virginity. 1/2 :-)

Ahhh ... I see.  Sort of as a "witness" to that "nothing happened," heh?
But a couple can't go out with a lightbulb *all* the time.  Given that
Taiwanese are usually shy in the first place, it's kind of hard to get
intimidate with a lightbulb around ...  Besides, won't the lightbulb feel
kind of awkward?  I've always refused to go out with a couple, since I
would feel that I'm "in the way."  But now that someone *finally* explained
this lightbulb thing to me, I guess I'll tag along next time, if I'll stil
get invited ...

				- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
From: ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: REPOST: PRE-MARITAL SEX IN CHINESE SOCITIES
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:34:27 GMT

Hello Everyone,

Me and my friend have been talking about the fact that there is a serious
trend in many chinese societies around the world:

Pre-martical Sex is getting more & more common.

Just wonering what people from Hong Kong, Mainland China as well as Taiwan
think about this issue.  Both os us are pretty traditional and conservative.
So, we are against people to engage sex before marriage.

What I like you all to respond on are:
1) What you think is the trend now in HK, CHina and Taiwan
2) What can we do about it?

PLEASE DO NOT WASTE TIME REPLYING AND ARGUE ABOUT WHETHER IT'S ACCEPTABLE
OR NOT.  WE ALL HAVE FREEDOM OF CHOICE!  I am just interested to see
what exactly is happening these days!!  So, NO FLAMES!!! PLEASE.

Baldwin (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Why Use a Lightbulb?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:53:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.112723.3635@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>In article <6269@ucru2.ucr.edu>, lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu) writes:
>
>> So, is there a reason for bringing a lightbulb along
>> to a date?
>> 
>	** I think boys never try to bring a lightbulb.


	Not true :-) I have been used a couple of times to be a
	lighbulb in order to neutalize the other lightbulb.

Yung-Kao Hsu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hwang@hermes.Berkeley.EDU (Kailan Hwang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: No Taiwanese?!
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:33:03 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley

In article <17AUG92.09051113@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw> u322543@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw writes:
=
=   In Aug.11, KMT female Legislator, Chow1-Chuan2, said,
=   "Those KMTs who speak Taiwanese are bastard. (Bai4-Lei4)"
=   Oh, I feel so sorry for the hundred thousands of KMTs, who
=   speak Taiwanese as their mother language.
=
=--
==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
=- Yishao Lai                  -
== u322543@twncu865.ncu.edu.tw =
=-       :o      wow           -
==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


I guess your 'those` equal to 'every'.
Everything greater or equal to 2 can be called 'those'.
So either you translated the words wrong or you got
got confused and irritated by this femal Legislator.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wchung@eedsp.gatech.edu (Wilson Chung)
Subject: SOUTHEASTERN REGION COLLEGE CAMP
Keywords: CAMP, FUN, SOUTHEAST, COLLEGE
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:30:59 GMT

TITLE: 1992 SOUTHEASTERN REGION SUMMER COLLEGE CAMP

ORGANIZERS: Chinese Community Center, Georgia Tech, Emory U, Georgia State,
                and North America ROC affairs office in Atlanta

TIME: September 11 (friday) to September 13 (sunday)

REGISTRATION: Sept. 11 (1-6PM or after)

LOCATION: CAMP WAHSEGA 4-H CENTER, Route 4, Dahlonega, GA (near North
        Georgia college, 70 miles north of Atlanta)

FEE: $45

AGE:  above 18 

ACTIVITIES: Archery, High rope, climbing, horse shoes, hiking, hang-glide rope,
                campfire, kaorake, party dance, sports (all sorts), swimming,
                group games activities, and ballroom dance (we will
                teach you how!)....etc....

DEADLINE: Sept. 5

INFO and CONTACT: Chinese community center 451-4456
                  Wilson Chung 923-6993
                  Fred Chiou 875-7162

APPLICATION FORMS: Pickup at CCC (chinese community center in Atlanta), Office
	           of North American Affairs ROC in Atlanta, contact your local
		   chinese club, or call us or mail us (we will try to send in
		   application forms)

CORRESPONDING ADDRESS: Chinese Community Center
                 5377 New Peachtree Rd.
                 Chamblee, GA  30341

CHECK PAYABLE: Chinese Community Center (No cash please)

PS: First come first serve: limit 100 people.


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From: l1z@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Protest! Protest! Protest!
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:20:39 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

    The international students at PennState will be holding a protest against
the university's health insurance policy. The protest is dated August 17th,
Monday, in front of the HUB(hertzel Union Building) and the Old Main.
    PennState requires all international students came after fall,1990 to
buy insurance for themself and their dependents. The insurance should be the
MEGA plan provided by this school or other insurance that meet the waiver
standards. The waiver standards were set very strict so that international
students have no choice but to buy MEGA because any insurance that meet all
the waiver standards will be much more expensive than MEGA. The MEGA cost
about $500 a year for the student but $1778 for the student spouse and $800
for a child. If the  international student has assistantship, the school pays
%80 of the insurance for the student, but not for spouses and children.
MEGA doesn't provide good coverage for illnesses though it's so expensive.
    American students are not required to buy insurance for their dependents,
but they can choose to buy MEGA for their dependents if they want. So when
their wifes are going to have a baby. they may spend a few hundred dollars
to buy MEGA for their wifes for only one semester, and enjoy the maternity
coverage. The cost, certainly, will be imposed on international students who
are forced to buy MEGA even there's a lot of unwanted coverages like the
maternity coverages for their husbands and children!
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Date: 22 Aug 92 08:37 PDT
Subject: Re: Taiwan Embassies
Nf-ID: #R:RgeuPB3w165w@tsoft.sf-bay.org:-336541293:cdp:1474900013:000:68
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 22 08:37:00 1992


I was wrong, Taiwan has not 20 embassies, but about 30.

bye, Goetz

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yu@spot.Colorado.EDU (YU TING TO)
Subject: Re: From a woman's view on lightbulb
Summary: Result
Keywords: Maybe she's not interested in you, man!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:29:13 GMT

I was wandering is the lighttulb you talking about became one of
your collection or not ? Don't you think it is not fare to that
poor guy, just like you  paid for  one thing then they force you
to take the other one. <<< men 's point of view >>>

Yu
From: lulu@guinan.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Taiwanese Pop Music (was: Re: REPOST: CHINESE MUSIC RADIO PROGRAM at US UNIVERSITIES)
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:15:30 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside


Is there anyone reading this group from Taiwan who won't mind
posting an occasional list of Taiwan's current popular songs?
I'm really out of touch (as I'm sure a lot of other people are)
when it comes to Taiwan's popular music.

				- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang)
Subject: Re: An old joke about Taiwan and China
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:01:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.060826.180@mailhost.ocs.mq.edu.au> s8901116@macgraw.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Sute LEI) writes:
>My answer to the question is :  
>'Yes, a part of Republic of China'.
>                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Sute Lei
>
'Yes, a part of the illegal regime of CKS and his followers.'
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                                   ----UN resolution
Is that the reason Switzerland refuse to join the UN?

TY Huang
From: stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: From a woman's view on lightbulb
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:28:17 GMT
Organization: UB


 shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG) writes:
 
>In article <1992Aug20.072913.2997@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> yu@spot.Colorado.EDU (YU
>TI NG TO) writes:
 
>>I was wandering is the lighttulb you talking about became one of
>>your collection or not ? Don't you think it is not fare to that
>>poor guy, just like you  paid for  one thing then they force you
>>to take the other one. <<< men 's point of view >>>
>>
>>Yu
>
>AGREE.
 
From another point of view, if the lightbulb adores you when she/he goes out
with you two, you can "BUY ONE and GET ONE FREE".
 

---   Shuoh-Ren Tsai                        stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu   
      Dept. of Electrical & Computer Eng.   State Univ. of N.Y. at Buffalo
From: kuolin@oregon.uoregon.edu (Yeong-Kuo Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Narita <-> Tokyo
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:14:00 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug19.194052.12827@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, yewang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yenwen Wang) writes...
>In article <vo!vHx8819@atlantis.psu.edu> jclee@atlantis.psu.edu (Jason Lee) writes:
>>I hope this is not too late. I'm leaving for Taiwan tommorow and on my
>>way I'll stop by Tokyo for one day. Could somebody give me some information
>>about the transportaiton from Narita to Tokyo (times, fares, etc.)?
>>
> 
>There is subway service between Narita and Tokyo but to avoid the hassle
>I suggest the 'Skyliner' train. It's fast(only two stops between airport
>and Ueno station), clean and comfortable(you are guranteed a seat). Ticket
>costs 1,700 yens. At least that's how much it cost me last year when I
It depends on the place, you want stop in Tokyo. It might be up 3000 Yen. The
Taxi cost 30000 Yen.  Ask travel agency, They could give you all the 
information you want. The tour of Japan is very popular in Taiwan.

>visited Tokyo. It departs every 30 minutes or so.
> 
> 
>Yenwen Wang
> 
> 
>-- 
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>  Yenwen Wang                        wangy@kaa.eng.ohio-state.edu
>  The Ohio State University          yewang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: A bit more detailed about the China-South Korea normalization
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:05:49 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug21.020623.14293@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, hwang@hermes.Berkeley.EDU (Kailan Hwang) writes:

> Anyway, "Never" in KMT's dictionary is equaled to
> "Will happen in the near future" in the normal people.
> 
	** Then what does the "never" mean for normal people?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.korean
From: thsspch@iitmax.iit.edu
Subject: Thank again for people who help me in berkeley housing info.
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:31:56 GMT


In last posted mail I didn't include some friend's names on my thank list. Now
I found their names, and I want to thank them again. This thank mail is for the
last week I posted that I need help for housing information around California
Berkeley, and then some people kindly responsed and gave me information.
Those friends are

(Name list is in random order)

  1. Huang.
  2. Wang.
  3. Shieh.
  4. Hui.
  5. Douglis.
  6. Lee.
  7. Dave.
  8. Hsu.
  9. Fung.
  10. Bucher.
  11. Peter.
  12. Chan.

  
Please forgive me if I still forgot to put your names here, because sometimes
I just replied to you, but I forgot to save mails, and then I tried to find
your names, but I can't find them. 

I really appreciate you people's help. Because your actions, let me feel this
world is full of love. Here I wish you people will feel the same way I feel
wherever you go. Thank you again.

Best Wishes.

Brian.
From: jclee@atlantis.psu.edu (Jason Lee)
Subject: Narita <-> Tokyo
Organization: Penn State University Center for Academic Computing
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 17:47:10 GMT

I hope this is not too late. I'm leaving for Taiwan tommorow and on my
way I'll stop by Tokyo for one day. Could somebody give me some information
about the transportaiton from Narita to Tokyo (times, fares, etc.)?

Also, could somebody give me some suggestions of places I can visit
in Tokyo in such a short period of time?

Thanks a lot.

Jason Lee


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsai@tecrus.enet.dec.com (Kuo-Yeang Tsai)
Subject: Translated Taiwanese Poem (2)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 14:44:23 GMT




	Remember	written by Shion4-Horn2
			translated by Kuo-Yeang Tsai
I.

If you
if you ever had said to me
lines and words of
naievty and sincerity 
I'd remember it
when I wake up in the morning

During the days of youth
when things were simple
if you ever had said to me
lines and words of
lightness, heaviness
flying clouds, and falling snow


II.

Showing concern is asking
yet sometimes
showing concern
is
not to ask
If there's completely no information
such as the quiet sea after the ship sinks
In fact
I also remember in quiet


III.

If at the end of summer
or the beginning of autumn
I ever have written once or twice
words of metaphor and obscureness
to hint about that fortuity
such as the fortuitous
rain
----I also remember
From: sychen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Shi Y Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Wanted: Chinese Text Editor/Word Processor
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:32:17 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Eten(ET) is a comercial package. It works as a shell in MS-DOS
environment. It is designed for the Chinese who use complex
characters or Fan-ti characters. Make sure what sort of Chinese
you will use. It is based on ETen codeing or BIG-5 coding.

Tell me your purpose and background. Then I can give you more
informations

sychen
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Languages vs. Dialects, suppression
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:42:02 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug15.124030.27834@medsys.rn.com>, bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System) writes:
> 
> Why isn't ChaoZhou Hua HoLo? As far as I know, ChaoZhou Hua, ZhangZhou Hua
> and QuanZhou Hua are all very similar. People from those three places can
> communicate with each other. I think my question can also be asked in 
> another way: What is HoLo?
> 
> Chou1
> 

	** HoLo is a term used by TIers to make everybody confused. 
	   The best way to understand "HoLo" is: it is a political
	   term.
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Joke on "seven items while opening door"
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:27:19 -0600
Distribution: usa
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug14.194248.14565@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>, tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes:
> 
> And the tragedy of Chinese civil war between Nationalists and Communists
> created more of the examples of polygamy for the Nationalists stranded in
> Taiwan. That is they were already married while in Mainland China, but when they
> escaped to Taiwan, they were married again. 

	** Could a person be married twice the same way today? 
	   For a business man, it is not too bad to have one home
	   on each side of the strait. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: anw1@cec2.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong)
Subject: Re: Languages vs. Dialects, suppression
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:43:39 GMT

In article <77924@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
> ....
>
>Danish and Norwegian, for example, are considered different
>"languages" because Danes and Norwegians consider themselves
>different.  Similarly, Cantonese and Mandarin are considered different
>"dialects" because most Cantonese and Mandarin speakers consider
>themselves not different.
>
> ....
>
>Most professional linguists are smart enough not to involve themselves
>in these types of fights.
>

Actually, linguists have long settled on the issue:
Cantonese, Mandarin, MinNan, Shanghainese.... are all diffenerent
languages of the Chinese sub-family, just like Italian, Catalan, French,
Spanish, Romanian, Portuguese are languages of the Romance sub-family.

How each language is written has nothing to do with the relation amongst the
languages. Serbian is written in Cyrillic, Croatian in Roman alphabets, yet
they are just dialects of each other. This is because Serbs and Croats can
understand each other pretty well while each speaking their own language.

Dialects should be mutually intelligible, such as Serbian & Croatian, or
the different varieties of English worldwide. Cantonese and MinNan, for
instance, are far far from being dialects of each other.

Aaron Wong
From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: AM I WSR or BSR ?
Date: 14 Aug 1992 13:17:22 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu

Several years ago, I first met Mr. Ho[4](means congratulations)  Duan-Fung
somewhere in San Bernadino County, Califonia.   At that time, Ho was
a Ph.D student majoring in economy in UC Davis and the representative 
for Taiwanese Association for Labor Movement(TALM) in the U.S.

Both of Mr. Ho's parents were born in China.  They came to Taiwan while 
China was being taken over by communists.  According to "the definition", Ho 
Duan-Fung is WSR.

However, when I asked him, "Where are you from ?(Ni[3] Shi[4] Nar[1] Li[3]
Ren[2] ?)", without any hesitation, Ho responded with "I am from Hua-Lien.
(Wuo[3] Shi[4] Hua[1] Lien[2] Ren[2].)"  Huan-Lien is in Taiwan's east coast
and Ho was born there.