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From: tozaki@math.keio.ac.jp (Hidekazu TOZAKI)
Subject: Re: Objection [CFD/CFA fj.life.in-japan]
Organization: Faculty of Sci. and Tech., Keio Univ., Yokohama, Japan.
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In article <CLAUDE.92Jul29132019@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:
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Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: tozaki@math.keio.ac.jp (Hidekazu TOZAKI)
Subject: Re: Tongue-twisters: was Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Organization: Faculty of Sci. and Tech., Keio Univ., Yokohama, Japan.
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In article <CLAUDE.92Jul23171053@mnosun.mno.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@mno.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss (UB)) writes:
 >! It's very easy to *SAY* : "Oh! These guys are talking about japanese
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In article <CLAUDE.92Jul23101201@tokyo.trc.mew.mei.co.jp> claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss) writes:
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Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Automatic U.S. citizenship (was non-natives in Japan)
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:52:13 GMT
Followup-To: fj.misc
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp (Magnus Halldorsson) writes:

>Let me try to clarify:

>  The US follows the 'jus soli' rule of citizenship; namely, a person
>born on US soil is automatically eligible for a US citizenship.
>The US, as well as in most other countries, also follows the other
>main principle that children can also obtain the citizenship(s) of
>their parents.

So it seems. But just to be on the safe side, I think it's best
to say "most/many? other countries" unless we have some evidence.

>  For instance, my daughter has currently three nationality, and
>thus appears in three different passports. She is Japanese through her
>mother, Icelandic through me, and American because she was born in the
>US. (She also has three different set of full names, due to different
>naming systems, but that's another story.) When she becomes 18, she
>will have to renounce two of these citizenships since none of these
>countries allow dual citizenships for adults. 

Interesting. From what I have learned in s.c.j, dual citizenship
is allowed/arranged/permitted on a country by country basis.

>  I understand there is a possibility that a child can lose her US
>citizenship if she ever enters the country as an foreign citizen
>rather (from what the US embassy told us the first time we were to
>return to the US after her birth).

Ahhh, that's curious. So who you are (in terms of citizenship)
depends on what passport you happen to have in your hand at the
moment then :-)

Dave

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Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: claude@trc.mew.mei.co.jp (Claude Huss)
Subject: Re: Chinese accent symbols (was Re: Tohnyu Soup (Chinese food))
Followup-To: fj.misc
Organization: Matsushita Electric Works Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.
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Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 08:34:49 GMT

  >Wo Hen Mang... Wo Hen Lei.... Wo De Bien-Don Hen Hao Su... :-)
  Jin>    Wo ye mang.. Wo ye lei..I am envious of your bien-Don...

Hao Shao! Hao Shao! You Chuu! :-)

Zai-Jian Pan'yo !

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Matsushita Electric Works, Ltd. Tokyo Research Labs.
Phone: +81-3-3452-4941	FAX: +81-3-3451-0793  Home:(044) 549-4913
Mita 5-13-2, Minato-Ku, Tokyo 108, JAPAN
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From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: Instant Foods (Re: Pre-Noodle...) [ENGLISH]
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:28:21 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
> Did I ever tell you about the time I was sitting at my keyboard one
> cold winter's night drinking hot sake and somebody called and I
> accidently spilled a whole One-Cup into the keyboard? 
> I tried to clean it but sake is real sticky when its dries so the
> keys would just stay down. But it was on an NEC 9801 so I took it
> over to Bit-Inn in Osaka, they gave me a loaner, and cleaned it up
> in a couple of days. No charge. And only looked at me a little funny
> when I explained the "problem" :-)

    Hmm, interesting, but such accident is in fact very frequent,
I supporse.  I really recommend you buy the plastic covers I've
mentioned.  We can find many for PC9801s, and MACs, but how about
Sun type-4 keyboard which I am using now?  Does anybody know?

						     Yasushi Kuno
Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: markd@csl.sj.nec.com (Mark Dyer)
Subject: Re: Instant Foods (Re: Pre-Noodle...) [ENGLISH]
Organization: NEC America.
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Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:19:47 GMT

In article <ISHIKAWA.92Jul21195119@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp> ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa) writes:

   Mark> Throw together a green salad and brown some
   Mark> ready made garlic bread in the oven and you have a taken a big step up

	   Geez. I like gralic bread. When I first ate it, I thought that
   was really nice to eat something like that with a big, BIG steak.
   Anyway, what is this ready  made garlic bread? Is this frozen food?
   (kind of shudder to think about that someone freezes a hot nice garlic
   bread.) 

"ready made garlic bread" is just a loaf of french bread that is split
down the middle and has a mixture of butter, garlic and maybe some
parsely for color. It isn't frozen. You buy it right next to where they
sell the regular bread.

I love garlic bread with pasta and wine. Something about garlic that
really enhances the flavor of wine. At least for me.

    Garlic bread is hard to come by in Japan, I am afraid.

If you can buy french bread, you should be able to make a good
garlic bread with out too much work. All you need is bread, butter or
margarine, garlic (freshly mashed is best, but the powdered stuff will
do) I like to add parmesan cheese. (the powdered cheese you sprinkle on
pizza and spagetti.)

Slice the bread the long way. Soften the margarine and spread it on the
insides of the bread. Spread the mashed garlic into the butter. (or
sprinkle on the garlic powder) Sprinkle on the parmesan cheese if you
want. Pop it in the oven (a toaster oven should work just fine) until
the buttered part (or the cheese) starts to brown.

If you want to do a little more work you can saute the garlic in the
margarine for a while so that the garlic taste goes all through the
butter. You can also use olive oil instead of margarine.

When I get REALLY lazy I take whatever sliced bread I have around and
toast it in a toaster. Then spread on margarine, sprinkle on garlic
powder and parmesan cheese.

Well, it's time for me to wipe off my keyboard, so that's all for
now! :-) :-) :-)

Mark Dyer		English: markd@tdd.sj.nec.com
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From: ishikawa@ds5200.personal-media.co.jp (Chiaki Ishikawa)
Newsgroups: fj.misc
Subject: Re: NG for gaijin topics. (English)
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:58:11 GMT
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Distribution: fj
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In-reply-to: magnus@jaist-east.ac.jp's message of 21 Jul 92 06:41:12 GMT


>>   Thank you. By the way, I checked my local supermarket counter after
>>   reading somebody's comment that even Quaker Oats has put kiddy pictures
>>   on their boxes. It turns out that the Yuki-jirushi (Snow brand) which
>>   is the licensed distributor of Quaker Oats in Japan hasn't tampered
>>   with the box and I could still buy the good old-fashioned box with the
>>   classical picture on it.

>Hmm, ano neee, there is a slight flaw in the conclusion from this
>empirical evidence. You see, if you can't find something, you don't
>have a proof that it doesn't exist; on the other hand, if you find it,
>you have an existence proof.
	Mea Culpa! You are right. I forgot to check the production
date on the box. 

>But your point is otherwise correct. Either they have huge stocks of
>the older design, or they are going to continue to use both designs.
>Moreover, only the green box has the frog on it; the others have been
>restyled in a less cutesy way.
	Frog? A FROG? You mean like KERMIT the frog?
I doubt that a picture of a frog persuades childern to eat quaker oat 
if a kid doesn't like it to begin with. But I digress.



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From: mtachiba@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Masahiko Tachibana)
Subject: Re: There's-only-one-Truth-ism?
Followup-To: fj.misc
Organization: Institute of Physical & Chemical Research (RIKEN) Saitama,Japan
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:53:50 GMT

Good evening.

In article <2146@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

>>> There seems two major trends in the world right now: 1) Folk
>>> Societies (also known as Ethnic Minorities) are becoming
>>                           ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ (sounds bad to me)
>
> Yes, it doesn't sound so good but I think this is the current term.
> A while back some people used 'nation' (meaning a culture, but not
> necessarily a political state) but this never seemed to catch on.
> So, for example, Koreans in Japan are an 'Ethnic Minority'. That is,
> they have their own culture and customs which are different from the
> majority. 

    I think the word ethnic is the source of bad feeling to me.
The word reminds me not only of the way explorers from Europe did 
in the past, but also....
    This month I had a short trip to HAKODATE, south end of HOKKAIDO, 
and I visited a museum where many every-day goods of Ainu were collected.
Their own culture today is nearly destroyed by this country's majorities
and the life in those days are frozen in the showcases.  It made me sad.

> IMHO trying to communicate without any implicit understanding isn't
> very practical as it means everything has to be spelled out
> (defined) each time. But on the other hand there are various things
> one can do to define/encourage such implicit understanding. I would
> say the net has it's own set of implicit understandings which cut
> across cultural/national borders.

    Umm, I'd still say it's dangerous in believing implicit understanding
in communication.  Rather, I would start from the recognition of the
unstable, ambiguous nature of implicit understanding.  After repeated 
scrap-and-build process, it might be maintaind.  
    Or am I simply timid because of the poor experience as a netter?   

>See ya around! :-)
>Dave
    
    Ja, mata sono uchi.  

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Xref: sparky fj.misc:386 fj.comp.misc:136
From: kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.comp.misc
Subject: Key touches (Re: Instant Foods) [ENGLISH]
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:25:36 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: GSSM Otsuka, Univ. of TSUKUBA, Tokyo, Japan

Hi,...
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  (above is an explanation of why I've cross-post this article.)

I wrote:
:      I remember my professor often mentiond that IBM selectric
: typewriter's key touch as the "best one."

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
> IBM and other companies have spent a lot of time working on the feel
> of the keyboard. I have three keyboards for IBM-clones and they are
> all quite different from the ones for the NEC. A lot of it is what
> you get used to, I suppose, but I feel comforatable with the kind that
> go in a little way and then 'click' into place.

    Yes, and I'm afraid PC9801 did sufficiently lots of bad
things to the keyboard culture in Japan.  Many people who has
"grown up" with PC9801s will complain that "good" keyboards
(that is, my preference) are too heavy and their fingers will
get tired!  I loved old good DEC VT100, but now DEC VT2xx has
far lighter key touches, which are nothing but a pain to me.
I'm afraid of the day when we can only find "feather touch"
keyboards on evely computer systems in Japan, and I have to
order-made one for myself, with a lot of money.

: And we'd better hope IBM to produce "home washable" keyboards!

> That would be great!

  Matsusita-electrics might be more likely... :-)

						    Yasushi Kuno
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.news.group
From: enami@sys.ptg.sony.co.jp (enami tsugutomo)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.comp.misc
Subject: Re: Key touches (Re: Instant Foods) [ENGLISH]
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:39:52 GMT
Distribution: fj
Organization: Sony Corp. Production Technology Development Grp. R&D Div.
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In article <1992Jul27.052536.24498@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp>,
	kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

>     Yes, and I'm afraid PC9801 did sufficiently lots of bad things
> to the keyboard culture in Japan.

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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: What is happening to fj.misc?
Date: 25 Jul 92 08:47:52 GMT
Followup-To: fj.misc
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen) writes:

>What is happening to fj.misc?  Someone went and rmgroup-ed it for us
>a couple of days ago.

There has been a constant stream controls to adgroup, rmgroup,
change from moderated to unmoderated, change back to moderated,
etc., etc.  There is evidently some discussion concerning this in
fj.news.policy but I can't read the Japanese so I haven't a clue
what is going on.

My own strategy is execute such controls manually and ignore all
control messages but those from the newsgroup manager, SAITOH
AKINORI (saitoh@ics.osaka-u.ac.jp). 

Dave

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You're free to copy/quote/translate this as long as credit is given. 
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Newsgroups: fj.misc
From: markd@csl.sj.nec.com (Mark Dyer)
Subject: Re: Tatami (Re: milk and ...) (English)
Organization: NEC America.
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Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:17:35 GMT

In article <SANTOS.92Jul22150222@melon.mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp> santos@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Rafael &) writes:

         [stuff deleted]

   So far, I had no trouble with ants in my apartment, but when sometimes
   I take a ride by bycicle, I had lots of bugs hitting my face in the
   road :(

Bet you've learned to ride with your mouth closed! :-) I bicycle to work
2 or 3 days a week and go out after work about once a week with friends
for a little mountain biking (really tame mountain biking) I've had bugs
fly into all of the important holes in my head. Ears, eyes, nose and
throat.

I remember back (uh-oh, here it comes) when I lived in Japan and we went
everywhere by bike. This was in the Chugoku Chihou ($BCf9qCOJ}(B) ((southern
part of Honshu, the main island.)) Usually it wasn't too bad, but I
learned that just before sundown wasn't the time to take a short cut
across the tanbos ($BED$s$\(B = rice field) The air gets almost solid.

Mark Dyer		English: markd@tdd.sj.nec.com
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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: fj.misc,fj.comp.misc
Subject: Re: Key touches (Re: Instant Foods) [ENGLISH]
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:49:26 GMT
Followup-To: fj.misc
Distribution: fj
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

Hi,

kuno@gssm.otsuka.tsukuba.ac.jp (Yasushi Kuno) writes:

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>  (above is an explanation of why I've cross-post this article.)

>I wrote:
>:      I remember my professor often mentiond that IBM selectric
>: typewriter's key touch as the "best one."

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>> IBM and other companies have spent a lot of time working on the feel
>> of the keyboard. I have three keyboards for IBM-clones and they are
>> all quite different from the ones for the NEC. A lot of it is what
>> you get used to, I suppose, but I feel comforatable with the kind that
>> go in a little way and then 'click' into place.

>    Yes, and I'm afraid PC9801 did sufficiently lots of bad
>things to the keyboard culture in Japan.  Many people who has
>"grown up" with PC9801s will complain that "good" keyboards
>(that is, my preference) are too heavy and their fingers will
>get tired!  I loved old good DEC VT100, but now DEC VT2xx has
>far lighter key touches, which are nothing but a pain to me.
>I'm afraid of the day when we can only find "feather touch"
>keyboards on evely computer systems in Japan, and I have to
>order-made one for myself, with a lot of money.

Yes, exactly. A friend of mine came over today and we were talking
about keyboards. He likes his 9801 and feels the AT keyboards are
strange.  Me too, when I made the change, I could hardly type on an
AT keyboard but now it's the other way around and I find the 9801
keyboard really different=difficult!

Another problem I have is that I find it difficult to change from
one AT keyboard to another as I have 4 in the same room. One is on a
DynaBook so that can't be changed, but I like to have them all the
same, or as close to the same as possible. 

Somebody just me a gomi 8801 (talk about a different keyboard!). I'm
fiddling around with some CP/M programs I picked up year ago.
WordStar works OK, but there is something amiss.  I can send to
another machine OK, but when something is sent to it, it echoes back
a character hex 11 (XOFF). Maybe it's the dip switches but I don't
have a manual so I don't know what sw1 1-10 and sw2 1-8 are for. 

This is a question that might well be answered by somebody in
another newsgroup but I don't know which. Any suggestions? 

Dave

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