From: y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM)
Subject: Re: Chinese Running Dog
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:07:19 GMT

In article <1ghb0lINNki7@agate.berkeley.edu> bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan) writes:
>
> >> Communism was a good attempt to get rid of all the politicians et.al,
> >> but alas, the implimentation of one man's dream led to corruption
> >> etc.etc.etc.  In fact, the basic premise of Communism was equality.
> >
> >	Yes.  Equality.  They did achieve equality everyone equally poor
> >and everyone equally powerless.  Unless you are a member of the ruling
> >party of course.
>Again, I said the implimentation was corrupt.  If I recollect the original
>ideals of communism, it was to be a utopian society, where everyone was
>equal (of course, they had assumed equally well off).
>As you correctly point out later, I am an idealist. (so sue me)

You have to face it: you are in a real world, not an ideal world.
I repeat, whatever you try to do to approach idealism, there are
*always* other people who never agree with you, and I don't think
that killing all those people is the best way to kill your flame.

> >	Hmm... maybe.  But one has more right in a democratic society.
> >The fact that you can write this post without being censored like you
> >would have been if you are in China does say something.
>Only because of the implimentation of democracy and communism.
>In the original idea, the people were supposed to rule themselves, since
                                                   ^^^^
>there was supposed to be no 'ruler' at all.  Again, I'm comparing the
                              ^^^^^
>ideals, not the reality.  It is, after all, the ideas behind the system
>that I enjoy comparing.
>
No one stop you enjoying comparing ideal and real systems. But after
the enjoyment, please go back to the real world, not your own
dream!
And from the above paragraph, you mentioned 'people(1) were supposed
to rule themselves' and 'there was supposed to be no ruler at all'.
Then aren't the people(1) who RULE the people themselves are
the ruler? Please understand that if you eat something, then you are
a eater; if you kill yourself, then you are a killer, no excuse.
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> >	Its good to be an idealist, but it also good sometimes to 
> >be a realist and really see what is going on.
>I have seen reality, but I have found it much too depressing for me.
>It is more palatable to be an idealist.

Everyone has his/her own problem, and they have to face it, not
to avoid it. Again, this is the real world, you are living in it.
If CCP is bad, you have to face it! (Sure, if British government
is bad, we have to fact it, too!)

>Also, for those who dare criticize _my_ grammer, have you read some
>of the other stuff that are posted within this newsgroup?  Or have
>you people been flaming them too?  (no wonder so few people post,
>with all you selfproclaimed NetPolice arrogant bastards e-mailing
>people who may just be new to English.  This IS schk.  If you must
>criticize someone's grammer, let me direct you to my linguistics
>professor.  He'll show you what he thinks about prescriptivist
>linguists.)  
>Plus, posting at 2 or 3 in the morning can do wonders to your
>vocab, let alone your gramatical and spelling skills.

There is no excuse if you cannot make you arguments clear and 
let others pick your wrong viewpoints up successfully. To learn
English, you have to speak and write 'bravely', and learn from
the mistakes. No one can speak and write any language right when
he/she was born.

Overall, I am glad to be here to know how people from mainchina
think. There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding between
us. So it is actually good to discuss our viewpoints here to
allow us to understand each other. I repeat, this is *good* for
both CCP and HK. CCP should listen to any suggestions and even
arguments, and make improvements. Any government can make
improvment, unless there is a government (e.g. CCP) who is 
*supposed* to be ruled by it own people, but, unideally, ruled
by only a *few* people who actually got the ruling power. (Please
don't tell me there are rulers in western countries who also got
the ruling power, because they are supposed to be, but CCP is
*not* supposed to be, as pointed out by the above paragraph.)