HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: Information Power
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:49:23 GMT

Knowledge is power, information is power. Good info brings about more power.
Im not sure if you could call it capitalism, just power brokering..
With enough info on a wide variety of subjects and you might actually begine to
predict the future (sort of)

God point for hackers and such, is that they take the fourth estate idea of the
press to a farther point.. Entrenched bureacracy and person who do illegal
activities (namely organized crime and IRS/government) hate it when people find
out about that nifty drug deal or Iraq Arms deal or Iran Contra deals..
Remember how the story broke about the Iran Contra deal was becuase North
supposedly emailed messages on the topic between himself and his boss (secuirty
chief ?) well something about LANs and how they seem to keep info around..

I wonder if people would consider Hackers as the fifth estate? or just a part
of the fourth? 

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:48:01 GMT

>chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:

>> If Calling-#-ID is not ruled unconstitutional (which it IS), then there must 
>> be some sort of protocol which will be followed by called parties and 
>> calling parties.  WHY in the HELL would you want to give out your number to 
>> anyone you called?  Why don't you Caller ID freaks put yourself on the other 
>> end of the line for a minute.

Unconstitutional?? How so?? On what grounds?? That you don't like it??
I don't think that you are going to get much sympathy from the courts
on this one.
 
Bruce E. Hayden
(303) 758-8400
bhayden@csn.org

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: Freaks
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:22:10 GMT

I think someone has two accounts.... Either that or MTA is filled with a
bunch of dumb jocks.
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:41:04 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher) writes:

> So sorry to dash your hopes of knowing anything about phones against a the
> facts, but I HAVE listened to the conversation at the calling parties end
> before 'picking up' my phone (I was listening with a modified phone, it
> didn't change the voltage when I used it, it just read the voice off the line
> so there was no way to say anything).
> 
> I repeat, person A calls person B, person B can hear what person A is saying
> before person B actually goes 'off hook'.
> 
> It IS true, I know it because I have done it. I'm not sure about your area
> but it works here (Greater Vancouver Regional District under B.C. Telephone).

Their phone is broken, then.  In my experience, which includes pretty
intimate familiarity with the insides of WECO, AE and ITT phones,as well
as a number of private brands and some Safeway Specials with no brand
name, I have yet to see an instrument that left the transmitter/reciever
across the line while on-hook.

That doesn't mean it never happened... only that I have never seen it,
nor heard of it without special equipment being installed in the phone
in question.  I'd say, though, that my experience makes me classify this
as... maybe not urban legend, but a rare anomaly.  Certainly, this
capability is not the usual custom.

If B.C. Telephone makes this practice widespread, perhaps you should
investigate the tarrif to see if it's malfunction or undocumented
feature.  (not my idea of a good feature, though...)
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
                         "I'm a model citizen."
                                      -- Warren Zevon
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: Clayten_Hamacher@mindlink.bc.ca (Clayten Hamacher)
Subject: Re: My world (was: Caller ID block?)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:59:35 GMT

<Long message about cameras recording public space>

I don't see why this should bother anyone, the same thing can happen now
(someone with a camcorder can tape you as you walk down the street)... It's
not like someone would always be spying on you (and if they are the type who
would, then they would do it by following if cameras weren't in place). Such
a thing brings 1984 to mind until you realize that these records would be
public instead of going to a little government office.

If such a thing was ever proposed for PRIVATE spaces then I'd raise hell
about it..

As for your thoughts of people joining little groups who have little or no
contact with the outside world... It already happened, communes are a perfect
example, people are fed-up with the world so they get a bunch of friends and
lead a self-sufficient life on a farm. Nothing wrong with that.


You're right about cutting down on crime.. Especially if not just the crime
scene but the criminals entire route home was recorded. Sure cut down on a
need for armed guard.

The one thing I don't agree with is having anyone's work space recorded. They
may be government workers but even they deserve privacy while they work,
without every embarrasing noise and scratch of a private place being put on
tape for everyone to see.


The phone system where all caller logs are made public would give rise to a
new bussiness, a company with PBXs all on an overline so that you could call
in and get a random outgoing line. The contract you would sign with the
company would say the records of what incomming line went to what outgoing
line wouldn't be kept or that they'd only re released like that information
is now (by court order only).

All in all I think your idea would work, it's take a little getting used to
but I think the benefits would far outweigh the disadvantages...

We wouldn;t see little snippets like in the rodney king trial, we'd see if he
was speeding down the road or if he gave the cops reason to believe he was
dangerous... Trials in cases like that would be little more than a formality.
From: morpheus <morpheus@entropy.mcds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Correct use of terms..
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16:59:40 EST
Organization: No Pity For The Majority!  [private]

ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (man without a conscious) writes:

> I could easily start a huge flame war by posting my definitions and
> letting the net respond.....

You mean, "continue a huge flame war...", doncha?  It's been going on in
different newsgroups for a wwwwhhhiilllee... not to mention other forums..

;-)


morpheus@entropy.mcds.com ("morph")   |   A name changes toys into tools..
Obsolete diety for hire.  Cheap.      |          - Skinny Puppy
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: stuartj@esg.mentor.com (Stuart John)
Subject: Re: Low tech??
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:59:43 GMT
Reply-To: stuartj@esg.mentor.com
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <0aXRVB5w165w@angus.mi.org>, Scott Abfalter <thx1138@angus.mi.org> writes:
|> Gentleman from Norway who called ours a low-tech world: 
|> 
|> 
|>   Artificial hearts.  Personal computers.  Virtual reality.  Cellular
|>   phones.  Telepresence.  Microwave ovens.  The Internet.   CD's.  
|>    
|>   I don't know what world _you_ live in, but the rest of us live in
|>   a very high tech world.  Unless you are expecting faster-than-light
|>   or some other science fiction fantasy.  

Or maybe decent software ?

hmm... What role will software play in the proposed hi-tech cyberworld ?
Why is it all so hardware and custom-chip oriented ???
Who is gonna write the cyberspace code ? probably Microsoft the way things are going at the moment...
Is it worth me persevering with C++ when it looks like a regression to assembler is more likely ?
Just wondering ...

-- 
  _
 ( `/_                  *  Mentor Graphics Corporation (UK)
(_)(_(/                 *  BRACKNELL, England.
stuartj@esg.mentor.com  *  #include<std.disclaimer> 

  mubla tneserpgniddew wen eht yub
(no subliminal messages ...honest !) 

'Real Cyberpunks don't go shopping... they jack into the matrix,
 set about 7-11's EPOS ICE with a Klang Grade $2.99 Co-op virus, 
 leap to the bar code database and absorb the neon price polygons
 as visual stimuli.'  - Stu
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6699 sci.electronics:20923
From: csmith@plains.NoDak.edu (Carl Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 17 Dec 92 05:34:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.BzE25C.IoK
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1go3rfINN1l7@agate.berkeley.edu> c60b-3fw@e260-2b.berkeley.edu (Jason Swierk) writes:
>
>Brice Dowaliby writes:
>>The phone ringing is an intrusion into *our* privacy, 
>>and if we don't want to answer a blocked call, WE DON'T HAVE ANY 
>>OBLIGATION TO!!!
>>-- 
>
>correct me if i'm wrong, but, didn't you implicitly give up the right to your
>privacy when you go to the telephone company and say, "gimme a phone?" (all
>this being done before caller ID, of course)
>
>jason

NO!  All I gave up was the right to not have to listen to a ringing noise.
I don't actually have to answer the phone.  

Actually, I guess that I haven't even given up the right to not have to
listen to ringing phones, since there is no law saying I can't unplug my
phone from the wall to prevent it's ringing...

I don't give up the right to privacy until I have answered the phone.
Then I have revealed the fact that I am home by my own choice, and if
you hear anything intersting in the background that I didn't want you
to hear, it's my fault for answering.
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6609 sci.electronics:20706
From: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:59:24 GMT
Reply-To: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)
Followup-To: alt.cyberpunk
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.cyberpunk, bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>One of the more interesting items was that Caller ID doesn't
>work across state lines (at this time, but there is a trial
>program to try to make it do so) so if you're like me
>and you live right on the border of another state and half
>your calls from that other state, then Caller ID will only work
>on about half your calls.

I live in VA and work in MD.  If I call home from work, my Caller-
ID box shows the number.  So there's no problem here with passing
Caller-ID info accross the state line.  Both number are
serviced by the same local phone company (C&P) and are both in the
Washington DC local calling area.

Curt
From: masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: [ADMIN] Hacker wanted! (In another virtual reality)
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:14:20 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Greetings,

Some folks (myself included) are trying to develop a story line on
alt.pub.havens-rest, and we're at the point where we could use a
really good hacker/cowboy/whatever. If someone could introduce such a
character, or port him/her/it to the other group, we'd really
appreciate it. Please contact MaryMary or 'Kaena at the bar. :-)

Thanks,
- Steve (masticol@cs.rutgers.edu).
From: Dennis.Osborn@launchpad.unc.edu (Dennis Osborn)
Subject: ftp sites
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:58:25 GMT


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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: JENKINS@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Kent Jenkins)
Subject: ADMIN: Please Read! <Theno Does Admin Foo>
Organization: Ohio State Cyberpsycho Rehab Clinic
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:26:46 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

	In the winter of the senses, when mind and body seperate
	to rest from each other's constant demands, the dreams
	begin.  Torrid, lucid dreams, twisted and filled with
	Technicolor nightmares, neon monsters, Things that the
	mind had been supressing ... Things that the mind is.
	It wants to be more, growing into the imagination in
	this division of body and soul, taking the subconscious.

It's winter season, again, and we're having our Bi-Yearly Lull.  I can tell
because I just flipped through five, count 'em, five advertisements.  Mostly
for Cyberpunk Mags and E-Mags.  Well, golly, fellas, I'm glad you thing so much
of us.  I really am.  Feels like I've helped do something right around here.

However (you knew this was coming, didn't you?), in the FAQ we have a few
guidelines we'd appreciate people follow.  It's nothing written in stone; this
group was created to get away from hard-nosed alt.cyberpunk 'this crap doesn't
belong in OUR newsgroup' people.  But there's one that I think is a good idea
and has been overlooked...

	ALL NON-STORY POSTINGSSHOULD HAVE THE PREFIX - 'ADMIN:'

This will make it easier on people who want to just read stories and not the
beck-and-call of genre magazettes, of rambling writers, or of new computer
breakthroughs.  (The latter should be on alt.cyberpunk.tech anyway, but some
bits are of revolutionary nature.)

So, we now continue with the newsgroup.  Thanks for reading and best of luck to
you all.

	Seduction, sensation aches for reality and contact.  The
	body refuses the command until the mind becomes aware of the
	link.  Body and soul, flesh and thought, command each other.
	The body commands the mind to obey, the mind demands some
	compensation.  It demands its fantasies ... real.

---
Kent Jenkins	| He who fights with monsters might take care,
("Thenomain")	| lest he thereby become a monster.
		| And if you gaze for long into an abyss,
		| the abyss gazes also into you.  -- Nietzsche
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: ech005@cch.coventry.ac.uk (CR Willis)
Subject: agrippa
Followup-To: this has to follow something?
Organization: I don't belong
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:07:43 GMT

  ___ sorry to bring this over here but could someone post a synopsis 
  of agripa or better yet some of the novel itself--+-- alt.cyberpunk
  just screams p.o.v's --+- I want to make up my own mind+--- I saw an
  interview with gibson --+-- he seemed to be laughing at his own work
  -+-- as if he had written it tongue in cheek--+  w -- h -- y
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
From: Dennis.Osborn@launchpad.unc.edu (Dennis Osborn)
Subject: ftp sites (again)
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:37:19 GMT

My first post vanished so here  it is again.  Is there and ftp site where
these stories are collected and stored?  Please post or email me the address.
Osborn@cvax.ipfw.indiana.edu

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   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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From: exile@mediaone.freeside.com (Exile in Paradise)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.chatsubo
Subject: Gibson's folly
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 11:07:48 CST
Organization: Media One Studios

As strange as it may seem, William Gibson knew very little about computer 
technology when he wrote the Neuromancer series. In a way this was good 
for him as it allowed him to work without bias. Instead of extrapolating 
from facts he knew, he expounded in whatever direction his imagination 
wanted to go. After he tired of Neuromancer, Alien's scripts he turned to 
a more factual fantasy and thus was Difference Engine. Even in interview 
now, William Gibson is chagrined at the explosion of ideas that have 
resulted from his works. It seems that he didn't expect soo many people 
to take his ideas seriously, that's why he focused so much more on the 
texture, because it what he knew best. Also if have read any excepts from 
the Alien's scripts or interviews, they seem to bear this theory out.

--[Exile in Paradise: exile@mediaone.freeside.com ]------------------------
: All sentient beings are created unequal, The best society provides each :
: with equal opportunity to float at his own level - The Gowachin Primary :
--[ Media One Studios: +1-(713)-944-4176 ]---------------------------------
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:6704 sci.electronics:20936
From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,sci.electronics
Subject: Re: Caller ID block?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:31:52 CST
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf) writes:

> roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
> >Personally, I want to be able to block anonymous calls at the CO, so
> >someone calling me with blocked ID would only reach a recording... "I'm
> >sorry, the number you have dialed does not accept anonymous callers.
> >Please hang up and re-place your call with ID enabled."
> 
> What will you people do if someone calls from a payphone?

Let the machine get it, or maybe answer it myself.  Why would a pay
phone block ID?  A COCOT might, but probably not something owned by the
LEC.

> And why do you seem to believe you are "owed" the number of the
> person calling?

You misunderstand me.  CNID is a coming service, and I wish to purchase
this service when it becomes available.  This service will provide me
with the number calling me, provided it's both available and not
blocked.  That does not obligate you to give me your number in
advance... you may block ID if you wish.  I may also choose to ignore a
call with blocked ID.  If the two wishes collide, I may not answer your
call.  You'll get my machine instead.  Where's the harm?

I may elect to block anonymous calls at the CO, in which case you would
have to call back with ID enabled to get through. If it is important
enough to you to speak with me, you'll do that.  Otherwise, we do not
connect.  Again, where's the harm?  If we must communicate, we will
negotiate a means of doing so.

> You haven't had it for years.

You're correct, to a point.  Before CNID, only wealthy businesses could
afford real-time ANI.  Those businesses still afford that real-time ANI,
too, because it can't be blocked like CNID.

Don't be a Neo-Ludd.  Technology is giving me more control over how I
communicate, and I like that.  Instead of bemoaning the paradigm shift,
why not rise to the challenge and decide how you will react to the new
features and processes?

Remember, cyberpunks like tech.  It's in our blood.
--
Roy M. Silvernail --  roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu - OR-  cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu
                "There's no government like no government!"
                                    -- stolen sig quote
From: Scott Abfalter <thx1138@angus.mi.org>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Electronic media losing it's value for artist
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 07:59:56 EST
Reply-To: thx1138@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

Robert Hall, 

  You are wrong about an electronic medium that is can be copied losing
  it's value for the artist.  Cassette tapes for musicians can be copied.
  Albumns can be copied onto them, and CD can be copied to DAT.  All of
  these are easy to copy and distribute ("Hey, can I have a copy
  of your new Front 242 tape?") yet, somehow, musicians make money
  off ot them. 


THX
Boy, it's 7:30am and I just reread the message.  The sementics may be 
off,
but the idea is there...


--
Scott Abfalter (thx1138@angus.mi.org)
North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (salvador dali on x)
Subject: Re: Bladerunner Question.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 05:16:09 GMT

Somewhere in Cyberspace, rb6t+@andrew.cmu.edu said about 'Bladerunner
Question.': 
|Ok, I saw the DC again this past week and I think I noticed something
|that I never saw before.
|
|During the beginning when Leon is being given the test, when the turtle
|question is being asked, there is a closeup of the bladerunner's face. 
|During that closeup I thought I saw his eyes glowing the way other
|characters have their eyes light up.  Now I'm not sure if what I saw is
|correct, I'm just asking if anyone else noticed it, or if they can
|check.  I don't know how visible it would be on video, but it is on my
|list of things to do when I get home.
|
|I don't intend this to be a restart of previous lines, I just what to
|know if I'm seeing things or what.
|
|Rob Brunskill

On Holden?  I don't remember seeing that, and I watch for all the
miniscule stuff....At any rate, even if it was there, remember that
later in the movie, Deckard's boss talks about Holden in terms of
being hooked up to an iron lung of sorts (after being walloped by
Leon), so, if his eyes were "the signature of the replicants/robots"
all it would mean would be that in Holden's state, he is being kept
alive by machine, thus he is at the mercy of artificial life, thus
adding some sugar-n-spice to Ridley's attempt to ask the philosophical
question of "what is life"...

--

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    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: My world (was: Caller ID block?)
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:04:37
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
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In-reply-to: curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil's message of 12 Dec 92 00:17:19 GMT

Ah, but what would keep the domain of public panopticism (pan=all; the
term is from Jeremy Bentham, the 18th-century utilitarian philosopher)
from expanding?  After all, if they're doing the right thing, they
have nothing to hide.  :-(

__Randolph Fritz  sun!cognito.ebay!randolph || randolph@ebay.sun.com

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