From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Why are there level limits?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 09:58:15 GMT
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In article <67208@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <Btqutz.64H@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus) writes:
>>No...only not to wear it and cast spells.  Kinda makes it unnecessary to
>>forbid armor, since no mage in his right mind would wear it when he 
>>couldn't cast spells in it.  Now, if he's doing it for roleplaying purposes,
>>that's another thing...
>
>Wrong.  See, I'm playing a cleric/mage.  Since I"m only first level as
>a mage, I only have 1 first level spell.  After casting it, I can put on
>my armor and start swinging my mace.  BUT....
>
>My DM is on the verge of ruling that mages can't wear armor.  INCLUDING
>MULTI-CLASS mages.  NONONONONONONO!!!

I see your problem.  Now, is this for purposes of character, out of necessity
(i.e. you're one of the few people in the party capable of combat), or is
it just munchkinism?  I've known plenty of mage/priests who never needed or
felt the need for armor, but if you're in a small group, that could mean
trouble.  If that's in the character, great, fine, I'll debate with your
DM _for_ you.  But if you're just doing it to have your cake and eat it 
too (i.e. to wear armor _and_ cast mage spells) thenI have no sympathy for
you. 

Although come to think of it, if you're a mage/priest, you're an elf or
half-elf, right?  Why not just hold out for elven chain?  You're likely
to find it sometime or other, and no matter why you want to do this, it
would still enable you to do both.  

>That's why I think that they should have been much more clear in the matter.
>What mage in his right mind would want to put on armor?  One who also
>happens to be a cleric. :-/

Not necessarily.  Lots of cleric/mages go without.  The only reason I can 
think of why a cleric/mage would wear armor would be because it was part of
his holy raiments, and if that's the case, why are you a smegging mage?  One
would think the church in question would frown upon such things, especially
since they would mean you can't wear armor. (Talk about sacrilege!  Can you
imagine a Catholic priest wearing coveralls to mass because his other job
required it?)

The priest/mage in particular I'm thinking of is one from an old campaign of
mine.  He was a priest of the god Trithereon, god of retribution, individuality,and (to a lesser extent) justice.  He had grown up administering to a pirate
band, who were (a la Robin Hood) combatting the local government, which was
corrupt.  He had great fun parading around the other characters wearing his
pouffy (for lack of a better word) Errol Flynn-type shirt that was cut down
to the navel, fighting with his cutlass, and _Never Getting Hit._  That's 
right.  He had one of the worst AC's in the bunch, and he just never got
hit!  I think he attributed it to the "protection of Trithereon".

ObD&DStory:  Once, this particular priest was in the midst of a combat
involving Slow Shadows and Swordwraiths (I love Swordwraiths).  He was in
big trouble, as one of the swordwraiths had paired up against him, and was
draining his (already nothing to brag about) strength to something in the
single digits and below eight.  In desperation, he pulled out his holy
symbol and tried to turn the beastie again (the first time had failed).
It just so happened that at that particular moment, the paladin of the
group had, as he called it, "stepped up to the plate" behind the swordwraith,
and finished it off with one shot.  The priest, who had been hiding his
eyes and holding out the holy symbol, looked up and shouted, "Praise be to
Trithereon!  He has delivered me from evil!  See?  I _told_ you I could 
turn them."  

The paladin's response was something along the lines of "Right.  Whateeever you
say."  It became a running joke and actually happened again (with a different
combat-type character taking the part of the paladin) a couple of times.

The Walrus

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