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From: keith@baltix.cs.uoregon.edu (Keith Steiger)
Subject: Re: Emplant thoughts
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:06:27 GMT

In article <Ivan_Pintori.02m6@mas.sublink.org> Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori) writes:
>In a message dated Mon 16 Nov 92  4:30, Sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (jeff Hanna
>wrote:
> SH> Who knows, maybe it will work, someday.  But Jim seems to have a lot
> SH> of work to do to make this a working, or viable, product.
>Shut up.  You are wasting bandwidth.

So are you, although more rudely.

	Keith Steiger
	"First person to tell me I'm wasting bandwidth gets a Kewpie doll!"
From: jharris@cup.portal.com (John D Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:07:52 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <69713@cup.portal.com> <2115@celia.UUCP> <69827@cup.portal.com>
  <69994@cup.portal.com>

Thank you to those that posted about getting System 7.0 through floppies.
When I get a version with working HD support, I'll look into these.

Strangley, the Mac dealer I went to said they had Sys 7 on CD ROM only, and
were only supporting distribution by having people bring in their Macs and
install it direct to HD.
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From: kpjeacle@maths.tcd.ie (Karl Jeacle)
Subject: IBeM or PC-Task to support AGA?
Organisation: Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:26:32 GMT

Since VGA type modes are now available through AGA, does anyone know 
if either the author of IBeM or PC-Task plan to incorporate VGA 
support/emulation in their programs?

I believe the KCS board will soon provide such a feature...

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From: mrubino@csws2.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael N Rubino)
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:24:48 GMT

In article <56487@dime.cs.umass.edu> barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>
>	Mistake #3:	Not taking into account how long FCC approval
>			can take.

I find it interesting that Jim made it sound like FCC was the only thing
holding Emplant back.  Then they started to blame the delay involved in
producing boards, printing manuals, duplicating disks, and making the
packaging.

These are all valid excuses, but not once did he ever give any indication that
the software wasn't quite ready.

At least that's what it seems like to me.


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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Golden Gate 486!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:47:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1992Nov18.184740.17770
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
[I wrote]
>>>PS: BTW, I was reading Amiga Format, and came across an article saying
>>>    Commodore has released a new 386sx BB.  According to the article, it
>>>    comes with 2MB of ram, usable by both the BB and the Amiga, and
>>>    only costs #250.  Is that true?  Is this the same board we have been
>>>    talking about for months? or is this a new board?  either way,
>>>    #250 sounds good!  Any hope we can get it for US$400?
>> 
>	But, to have a setup comparable to a PC clone in all aspects, you
>	would still need a VGA card, and a dedicated hard drive and 
>	controller.  That also takes up two slots and a drive bay inside
>	your Amiga.  Then you will also need a monitor switcher box.
>	Thus add another $50+$300+$100+$30=$480.  For ~$900.00 you can by 
>	a complete no-name 386sx clone with HD and monitor!!

True.

>	Now if Commodore improved the graphics performance to 16-color
>	VGA and brought the fake HD performance up to an acceptable level
>	so that you didn't need the add-ons for serious work, the 386sx BB
>	would be a good deal, even if it costs a couple hundred more.  The
>	BB would then be perfect for its intended purposed IMHO.  To run
>	the productivity software not available for the Amiga.

True.

The point is: I have a XT BB and all those gadgets (ie, harddisk, VGA,
multisync monitor, etc.)  I would like to just get rid of my 8088BB and
get a 386sx BB! 

It might not make sense to anyone... but it makes sense to _me_. 

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Emplant thoughts
Date: 17 Nov 92 03:27:23 GMT
Organization: Mangazone Advanced Services - ++39-6-7029438

In a message dated Mon 16 Nov 92  4:30, Sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (jeff Hanna
wrote:

 SH> Who knows, maybe it will work, someday.  But Jim seems to have a lot
 SH> of work to do to make this a working, or viable, product.

Shut up.  You are wasting bandwidth.

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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:24:30 GMT

In article <92324.025122DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Why does Jim Drew find it neccessary to advertise features that customers
>later find to be "delusions"? I call that irresponsible (to be nice).
>Isn't Emplant good enough to sell honestly, without lies and hype?
>(Same thought applies to SuperCard and Sybil as well).

I haven't seen any of the promotional literature. If it explicitly mentions
68000 comapatibility, then there is some reason to be upset. But the fact
remains, this was a possibility of limited practicality.

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From: rcmolden@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Robertc. Moldenhauer)
Subject: Re: Emplant arghhhhh.
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:33:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.012622.11655@u.washington.edu> koolkid@carson.u.washington.edu (Only the Best!!) writes:
>
>Nicely stated. . .   Is that the new verdict on the new Emplant boards?  
3~
I believe Emplant requires some sort of sacrifice to work properly and
you must cover the CPU box in insense.  The cover must never be opened once
emplant is installed.

Signed,

Still using AMAX....
From: cpw8034@summa.tamu.edu (Alan Wen (409) 693-2924)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:46:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: summa.17NOV199209462168
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <5aD+r*pL0@video1.han.de>, achim@video1.han.de  (Joachim Gothe) writes...
>Hi Folks,
> 
>Who has a "working" EMPLANT ???????
> 
>I got mine yesterday, but the emulator crashes all the Time.
> 
>Please post a short description, where to place "srsvmem" and "lowmap"
>in the startup-sequence,
>What to with the battery-holder, .....and so on
> 
>Achim

I bet Jim Drew has a working Emplant!!!!! hahahahahahaha

I like to see anyone ELSE post a description of ANY success running the 
damn thing under any configuration other than strapping a real MacII next to
his/her Amiga.

BTW, I suggest that all of you better "try" and get your $$$ back from UU 
before they go under financially.  All it takes is a couple of guys to sue.
Hell, even mail order places like Creative Computers that bought a bunch of
these things are shipping 'em all back.  

My advice take your money back and run.

alan
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From: petekunz@iiic.ethz.ch (Peter John Kunz)
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:54:47 GMT

In article <70074@cup.portal.com> jharris@cup.portal.com (John D Harris) writes:
>Thank you to those that posted about getting System 7.0 through floppies.
>When I get a version with working HD support, I'll look into these.
>
>Strangley, the Mac dealer I went to said they had Sys 7 on CD ROM only, and
>were only supporting distribution by having people bring in their Macs and
>install it direct to HD.

hey, it's apple. what are youi worrying about?

cu
-pete


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From: wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner)
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:19:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.061524.22572@julian.uwo.ca> magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald) writes:

>I just feel UU has been dishonest in shipping out a non-working
>product.

And what would you be saying if they hadn't shipped anything at all?
Seems to me that UU is "damned if they do, damned if they don't".
It's a no-win situation that they've gotten themselves into with some of
you people.  Can't you understand what happened?

They made mistakes.  Probably many of them.  
They are doing what they can to correct them.
They *ARE* committed to getting this product working.
It's just a matter of time.

In fact: 
I just got off the phone with Joe.  (nice guy!)
Again, he's the only guy answering the phone.
There is already a new version of emplant software on their BBS
called "newemp.lha".  It is a "hidden" file and thus cannot be seen
from a directory.  Just use (D)ownload, select the proper protocal,
then type "newemp.lha" for that file.  (aprox. 20k long)

This file corrects the 2.0 problems, but doesn't fix A3000 specific 
32 bit memory problems.  Joe is working on that now and says that
he *SHOULD* have it by late tonight or early tomorrow and he'll put
it on the BBS.  Since I have a A3000, there is not much need of me
dnlding the "newemp.lha" file. 

Once I've dnlded the A3000-fixed emplant software, I'll upld it to wuarchive.
According to Joe, this file *WILL* include all previous bug-fixes.
       
BTW: For those of you that can't reach wuarchive and have asked me to 
     email updated Emplant files to you, I will do so as soon as the A3000
     version is put on UU's BBS tomorrow.  (emplant files are approx 20k)

C'ya.
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: I got Emplant Working!!!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:15:12 GMT

In article <22040035@hpmwmat.sr.hp.com> mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
>	
>	This post proves that bad developers/products hurt the Amiga.
>
>	Yes, people are laughing at the Amiga and her users because
>	of this EMPLANT fiasco.  "Don't buy an Amiga... nothing works
>	right on it....  none of the hardware works correctly.... "

What type of people are laughing at the Amiga? Typically there are people who
will dismiss products they are unfamiliar with. I know few people who go 
around deriding Amiga users. As far as emulators go, the Emplant and the others
have very interesting possibilities on the Amiga. However, we aren't dealing   
with an easy area here. Especially when it comes to the Mac, as even a true
Mac is a rather unstable computer given enough inits.
>
>	Remember how many years it took to shake off that damned "unstable OS"
>	reputation that Commodore created?  DOS and MAC-heads claimed
>	that for many years (and some probably still do).

People claim all sorts of things. The end result is what counts.
>
>	I hope EMPLANT turns ON or _totally_ disappears FAST before we
>	have to take much more crap from the MAC-heads.

I wish Emplant a long life. It will bring a lot of functionality to Amiga
users in areas where the Amiga has not been traditionally stong. And, if you
really want to see things which don't work try assembling an MPC compatible
which runs on a network.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:44:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cryo.jdrew.0jmj
Organization: Cryogenic Software - Portland, OR
X-NewsSoftware: BBX-UMB 0.26 beta (Oct 19 1992)


> 4.  At least twice as slow or worse.  I haven't worked with a real MacII.  I
 
What program did you use to compare speed test vs a MAC II?  What
priority?  What video refresh rate?  What video depth (2, 4, 16, or 256
colors)?


Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
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From: ss@cch.coventry.ac.uk (WeaponX)
Subject: Amiga Emulator for Pc's
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:43:23 GMT

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From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: Who has a working EMPLANT?
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:34:02 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <1992Nov18.010546.14386@julian.uwo.ca> magundi@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (john macdonald) writes:
>The only thing that could force Jim to release it before it was
>in the Beta stage of testing was that they were charging people's
>credit cards.

	Huh??  UU charged people's credit cards, which FORCED them to
release Emplant??

	UU forced ITSELF to ship Emplant???

wwarner@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Art Warner) writes:
>Keep your emplant board, let UU work out the final bugs.  If UU hasn't
>fixed the problems in what seems to be a reasonable amount of time to *YOU*,
>then send it back.  *YOU* and only YOU, know what that amount of time should
>be.

	That's pretty reasonable advice, IMHO.  Don't be overly influenced
by panicky posts.  Make up your own mind.  (Hey... that sounds like a good
slogan! :-))

	Poor UU.  They really screwed up.  The product might turn out to
be the Ultimate Everything, but they screwed up royally.

	Mistake #1:	Pre-announcing Emplant on USENET lonnng before
			completion.
	Mistake #2:	Quoting 3-4 different completion dates, all of
			which were wrong.
	Mistake #3:	Not taking into account how long FCC approval
			can take.
	Mistake #4:	Stating that Emplant was "shipping" several
			weeks before it shipped to actual *customers*.
	Mistake #5:	Charging credit cards several weeks before
			shipping the product.
	Mistake #6:	Shipping a beta Emplant board to angry people.
	Mistake #7:	(Brought on by Mistake #6.)  Frantically writing
			bugfixed code and making it immediately available,
			meaning that the fixes can't possibly be well-tested.

	One or two of these mistakes would be average for a computer
company.  But making all 7 is not very impressive.  UU might make cool
products, but it has a lot to learn about efficiency, accuracy, and software
engineering.

	Maybe some good can come of this experience -- perhaps other
companies will see UU's mistakes and be more wary about promising things
that cannot be delivered on time.  [Aside:  have people noticed how well
Commodore has been keeping to its ship dates recently?  For example, the
A4000 shipped only 2 weeks after it was announced!]

	I wish UU the best of luck in satisfying its customers and
producing an excellent product.  Who knows -- maybe in a year I'll
considering buying Emplant.

                                                        Dan

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From: vcruz@tid.es (Vicente Cruz)
Subject: Re: Golden Gate 486!!
Organization: Telefonica I+D
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:58:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.064937.5698@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>       I have considered the 386sx BB also.  But I too have another BB to
>       sell (A2286).  I've suggested this before:  Commodore should give
>       a 'power up' program for older BB owners.  I think Vortex has a
>       trade up program.  Does anyone have any experience with the Vortex
>       386/486? that they can share?  I would be especially interested in
>       folks who have used Windows,  Turbo C++ 3.0, or other demanding
>       MS-DOS programs on it and have used the A2286 as well.
>

I have a 386 GoldenGate installed in my A2000. I had a lot of problems with
the hardware installation: the board didn't fit well in the slot and the
socket that has to be inserted under the 68000 was very lousy. This made the
system very unreliable. Once I have managed to plug everything firmly, the
system works well.

I am almost satisfied with the board. It nicely uses a partition of the Amiga
harddrive (Seagate ST-157N-1 + GVP Series II controller). It accesses without
problems df0:, PAR: (as LPT1 or LPT2), SER: (as COM1 or COM2, limited to 
9600bps) and the Amiga Mouse. The graphic emulation is slow but usable.

I have added 2M to the board. It can be used by the PC side as expanded 
memory or by the Amiga side as autoconfig fast ram (not at the same time, of
course). I love this feature.

The Norton Computing Index is 21.5 and the Disk Index is 1.4 in my setup. I
suppose you can get better performance with an accelerated machine.

I use to run the integrated environment of the Microsoft C 6.0 compiler. With
SmartDrive installed, I don't notice any difference with a real 386 PC.
I tried Windows 3.0 (I couldn't install 3.1 because I don't have an HD 
floppy). It seemed to run ok but I don't use it anymore because of the 
flicker of the screen.

The bad news is that there are problems with the expansion boards. I 
installed an internal PC modem and it losted characters at 1200bps!. I have
heard complaints of another user who had problems when a VGA card and an HD
floppy were installed at the same time.
Last week I went to a computer show and talked with a person who was 
demonstrating the 486 board. I told him about these problems and he confirmed
that there are some bugs in the board but they are solved in the new 486.

I don't have any experience with the Commodore BBs so I can be of no help
but if you have any question on the Vortex 386 BB you can ask me.

>> Yours Sincerely,
>> Kelvin
>> e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu

Best regards,
Vicente Cruz
vcruz@tid.es
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From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams)
Subject: Re: Emplant and 4000
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:27:08 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <jdrew.0jjh@cryo.rain.com> jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew) 
writes:
> As far as the 68000 version is concerned...what a joke.  We got it
> working far enough to be able to boot disks, but due to the overhead
> added by the MAC II's system software (ROM) Apple needed to bump the
> processor just to be able to keep up with the MAC+.  With a stock 68000
> with a MAC II, you can expect to see it nearly 15 times slower than a
> MAC+...and that is what we saw with our emulation.  Watching windows
> being drawn line by line is not my idea of a speed demon.

A Mac II is substantially (3 to 4 times) faster than a Mac Plus.  The 
processor runs at twice the clock speed and the bus is twice as wide.  The 
Mac II ROMs hardly add enough extra overhead to slow down a 16 MHz '020 to 
the speed of an 8 MHz 68000, and Apple certainly did not need to "bump the 
processor just to be able to keep up with the MAC+".  One of the reasons 
Color QuickDraw (used in the Mac II ROMs) was never implemented on the 
Apple 68000-based machines is that it uses instructions (e.g., bit-field) 
present in the '020 and later processors' instruction sets, but absent in 
the 68000.  Now, trying to emulate these instructions in an interpretive 
fashion could definitely slow down graphics speed by the amount you're 
reporting.

- Dale Adams
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From: vhansen@ipfs.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Wolfgang von Hansen)
Subject: Re: Can EMPLANT emulate an A4000
Organization: IPF, University of Karlsruhe
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:29:57 GMT

In article <P0R5TB1w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us> mr_scary@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Chris Hurley) writes:
>vhansen@ipfs.bau-verm.uni-karlsruhe.de (Wolfgang von Hansen) writes:
>
>> Hi netters,
>> another posting to the EMPLANT club. Can I emulate an
>> A4000 on my A2000 with EMPLANT? What will it cost?
>> 
>> Bye, Wolfgang
>
>Aw, Come on!  This is ridiculous.  Except for the 040, AGA and IDE, your 
>2000 *is* a 4000.  With or without emplant, this is what would be needed 
>to "emulate" a 4000 on a 2000.  Was this post a joke?

The 68040 isn't the problem. But AGA would be twice as nice. 
(Forget this IDE, SCSI is much better ;-)

Wolfgang
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From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
Subject: Re: Emplant, sybil, and ???
X-Spook-Fodder: hero heroin tree shrub bush birth life death FBI CIA NSA
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:09:12 GMT

In <jdrew.0jm7@cryo.rain.com> jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew) writes:


>In <18NOV199209102926@oregon.uoregon.edu>, sworkman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Michael Sean Workman) writes:

[screed deleted]

>> finally had to drive 3 hours to their 'place of business'  I was surprised
>> I didn't step in horse shit... it was a barn!  Yes, a barn!  Sure it had a
>> concrete floor, but nothing changes the fact that it was a barn.  And

hey, you'd be surprised what can get done in a barn. The soundtrack for
Bram Stoker's Dracula was mixed on a soundstage on the second floor of
a 100+ year old barn on Francis Coppola's estate. Below us was the winery, 
above us.....bats! no shit! (or rather, bat shit, which we smelled constantly).

but more to the topic, could someone please post a detailed description of
what - precisely - Emplant is? save the rants and screeds, i've read them, but 
i missed the early discussions about Emplants technical specs. also curious
what the prices are for the various configurations.

thanks.
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