HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rankin@mik.uky.edu (david w rankin jr)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:10:53 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky

(BTW: Thanks StarIwl for making taz@momad.UUCP's article at least 
readable, if not palatible.)

I personally suggest that taz@momad.UUCP write a letter to the poster
of said pictures, informing him of the possibly illegal nature of
his pictures, then "rm" (or the equivalent) them from his news spool
files, or cancel them, or however he/she deals with posts that are
against his/her conscience.

Otherwise, I think the idea that hundreds of users, universities, and
companies will be hauled into court for distributing a small subset
of data that MIGHT be pornographic, especially when it is a small
subset of the megs and megs of data being passed every day, is
quite absurd.

I personally think that some of a.b.p.erotic's pictures are pleasing
and some it is downright nauseating, but I cannot advocate the removal
of anything on it without someone else fairly recommending that 
soc.religion.christian or alt.irc or even comp.binaries.mac be removed
whenever something offensive passes through.

Note: I am a University of Kentucky student. This post is my opinion, and
does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the University.

--"When UK pays me money for my opinions, it can have them. Not before."--
David W. Rankin, Jr.,  Mac Archiver for f.ms.uky.edu   Packrat on IRC
Main address: rankin@ms.uky.edu  rankin@ukma.BITNET ...!gatech!ukma!rankin
         Alternates: rankin@mik.uky.edu  djrank00@aix3090b.uky.edu
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From: taz@momad.UUCP (Sysop)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d
Subject: Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?
Keywords: Pedophelia Child Pornography Porn Immoral Illegal
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 00:03:55 -0500
Reply-To: taz%momad@infoserv.com
Organization: MoDeM MaDnEsS BBS   1-516/295-9435

In <BxDtoz.17p@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>In article <nsF-qA2KBh107h@momad.UUCP> taz%momad@infoserv.com writes:

>>      ... because it is a FEDERAL OFFENSE to distribute child 
>>      pornography over state lines.  This includes distribution by COMPUTERS
>>      over state lines.

>Well, Taz, old pal.  According to the header of this message, yours is
>a UUCP site hanging off of infoserv.com.  According to your
>.signature, momad is a BBS.  So I find it unlikely -- and I will be
>happy to apologize profusely if I am wrong -- that momad distributes
>news to *any* other computer, let alone one across the state line.  So
>what are you so worried about?

  #1) Yes, I happen to feed out to a couple of nodes, but they are from 
 
  #2)  80% of the callers to my system are from OUT OF STATE!




>>What I want is a discussion of this issue, and get it resolved quickly, before
>>the news media hears about this, because you better believe that this will
>>be quite a sticky issue, and will endanger the a.b.p.e. newsgroup.

>Shall I say it? ... Nah, I'd better not.

  Why not.. Go for it!

>-- 
>____ Tim Pierce                / 
>\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu / I use antlers in all of my decorating.
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 

-- 
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         BBS          _/ ||                ~-_      Adult Access
    516-295-9435    ,/   //       /~-       /  ~-_  ________---------------//
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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Contraband data on the Net (again)
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:37:22 GMT

In article <BxIDzq.Jrz@mtholyoke.edu>, jbotz@mtholyoke (Jurgen Botz) writes:
>The net can be used to distribute all of these things, and it /is/
>being used to do this to some extend.  And that being the case, under
>current precedent, certain federal law enforcement agencies can come
>to every single Net site and seize every piece of electronic
>equipment there.

While that indeed seems to be the perception in the eyes of some high
U.S. government officials, I would guess that there are some armed
forces in the world which would react if this would start to happen in
large numbers.

//Jyrki
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From: bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.binaries.pictu
Subject: Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?
Keywords: Are you all crazy?
Date: 9 Nov 92 03:48:09 GMT
Organization: G. T. S., Toronto, Ontario

In article <1992Nov7.070852.766@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester) writes:
|You sickos can begin your exodus now.  
|Others in this group are as serious as I am, and we would rather see
|a.b.p.e. yanked out of existence rather than turn a blind eye to
|the posting of child porn.
|
|
|Uncle [NOT KIDDING] Fester
|
|
|
|--
|:  Pat Robertson on the   : It is about a socialist, anti-family political :
|: Equal Rights Amendment  : movement that encourages women to leave their  :
|:      *     *     *      : husbands, kill their children, practice witch- :
|:  thester@nyx.cs.du.edu  : craft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians. :



	Normally I edit the signature lines out of a
	followup posting, but this is too good to ignore.
	The kind of sentiments in the posting are far too
	close to those of Pat Robertson's and his ilk,
	so there's definitely some sort of cognitive
	dissonance at work here.


	There's NO WAY anyone is going to "yank out of
	existence" some newsgroup for any reason.


	There are a number of things on usenet far more
	disturbing than alt.binaries.pictures.erotica
	postings - one of them is the kind of attitude
	you're displaying, and apparently you're doing
	that without any sense of shame whatsoever...


-- 
  ,u,	 Bruce Becker			Toronto, Ontario
a /i/	 Internet: bdb@becker.gts.org	Uucp: ...!web!becker!bdb
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From: rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Subject: Re: a.b.p.e. distribution (was, Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?)
Keywords: Pedophelia Child Pornography Porn Immoral Illegal
Reply-To: rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 05:55:40 GMT

In article <josh.721329561@mowgli>
	josh@cqs.washington.edu (Josh Hayes) writes:
>2) Much or all of the material distributed in the group is copyright
>material, distributed without permission of the author.

If the material is coming from Sports Illustrated, Playboy, or
Penthouse, then yes.  Much of the harder stuff out there on the market
doesn't even have a copyright notice on it, much less the address of
the "publisher" (seems they don't want to be known by name :-)

However, people who are more versed in copyright law (or lore?) tell
me that the copyright notice no longer has to be explicitly placed on
the work for it to be copyrighted (even though company lawyers tell me
never to issue stuff without that notice if I want to have my rights
well protected).  The other thing is that for a copyright violation to
be a problem, the holder of the copyright must complain.  Since the
holder of the copyright in this case would have to sue "usenet", which
doesn't really exist as a legal entity (would they sue all sites
world-wide?), its difficult to see what the problem would be, unless
they chose to sue a few, wealthy sites as the problem.

However, Playboy is taking its copyright very seriously with respect
to digitizing and has begun suing pay BBS services (most notably
"Event Horizons BBS") that scan in Playboy's pictures and make them
available for downloading under a pay-membership scam.  I think the
copyright holders are much more likely to go after setups like this
first than after usenet.

On the other hand, I too deplore use of the net as a blatant violator
of copyrights, such as making Albert Hoffman's book "LSD: My Problem
Child" available in ASCII form _in its entirety_.  The people who've
done this have basically told me that they are doing it "for the
public good", which is an argument that I can't buy.  They are just
stealing his work.

When I scan pictures, they are either pictures I've taken myself
(sorry, no nude shots :-) or pictures that I know I have a "fair use"
on the copyright, or pictures that don't have a copyright.

Dover Books published compendiums of line art, clip art and
photographs on which the copyright has expired.  These are
public-domain stuff and can be used without worry.

						-- Rich
-- 
		      Don't blame me; I voted Libertarian
Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1992 Rich Thomson
UUCP: ...!uunet!dsd.es.com!rthomson			Rich Thomson
Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com	IRC: _Rich_		PEXt Programmer
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From: iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu (Daniel R. Iacovone)
Subject: Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?
Keywords: Pedophelia Child Pornography Porn Immoral Illegal
Organization: Franklin University (Columbus, OH)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:38:53 GMT

Let me just say this about child pornography --

If child porno involves anything sexual activity with children -
remember :


If you lost your virginity before 17, than you have participated is said
act.  Such as: if you lost your virginity at age 16 with a girl at age
15, congratulations - you have particpated in child pornagraphy.

-- 
   ____)                                     Daniel R. Iacovone
  (  )  __    ___  _  .   . __  (___  ___    Columbus, Ohio
    /  (  |   )   ) )  ) /  ) )  )  ) )_     iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu
___(__) \_|/ (__ /_/  //   /_/  /  /  )__ 
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin.policy
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Subject: Re: Contraband data on the Net (again)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:27:54 GMT

jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) writes:
>And that being the case, under
>current precedent, certain federal law enforcement agencies can come
>to every single Net site and seize every piece of electronic
>equipment there.  Yes, this includes YOU, even if your site is at
>a powerful large corporation or major university.  Admittedly, it's
>not very likely, but it is possible, and it HAS HAPPENED.  Sites
>that were Netnews and UUCP nodes have been seized by the secret
>service as "evidence" in cases involving "stolen" data,

       This is a gross exaggeration.  For a while back in 1990, there
were indeed problems like this.  But after much legal and political
effort, they have been mostly resolved.  The two prosecutors most
active in such activities (Cook and Thackary) lost their jobs.  
The Secret Service agents involved are being sued in Federal court.  
(Steve Jackson Games vs various persons).   The Sturges case in San
Francisco ended up being a big political embarassment for the FBI.
Read "The Hacker Crackdown" and get up to date.

       We may see seizures incident to felony arrests, but I don't
think that at least Federal law enforcement will do any more BBS seizures
unless they have a good chance of a felony conviction.

					John Nagle
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From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: a.b.p.e. distribution (was, Re: Does USENET condone CHILD  PORNOGRAPHY?)
Keywords: Pedophelia Child Pornography Porn Immoral Illegal
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:08:50 GMT
Followup-To: news.sysadmin,news.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d
Distribution: na
Organization: negligable

All or nothing for alt?  That seems arbitrary.  Why not all or nothing
for alt.binaries (justification: disk space larger than any alt sub-tree)
That's not censorship, just an administrative decision.  Why not all or nothing
for alt.binaries.pictures (justification: non-productive compared to 
alt.binaries.somethingelse).

ANY decision you make regarding what to carry (or not) can be regarded
as either censorship or "administrative choice" depending upon who's
arguing.

Not carry alt.*?  Why that's censorship!  Carrying only the establisment
sanctioned snowy-pure "official" heirarchy is suppression of my freedom
of expression!

See what I mean?

		-Richard Hartman
		hartman@ulogic.COM

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From: xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin,news.admin,news.admin.policy,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d
Subject: Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?
Keywords: Pedophelia Child Pornography Porn Immoral Illegal
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 19:22:33 EST
Organization: Odd Parity Hacker's Group

iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu (Daniel R. Iacovone) writes:

> Let me just say this about child pornography --
> 
> If child porno involves anything sexual activity with children -
> remember :
> 
> 
> If you lost your virginity before 17, than you have participated is said
> act.  Such as: if you lost your virginity at age 16 with a girl at age
> 15, congratulations - you have particpated in child pornagraphy.

Doesn't PORNAGRAPHY have to do with PICTURES?
             ^^^^^^

--
Daniel Max P. Drucker            | #define SLOGAN Hey! Lets port it to COBOL!
The 14 year old LISP/C++ genius. | Disclaimer: I don't know COBOL.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/~\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Difficulty! It's the single simplest machine in the entire Universe!

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From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: What is pornography, anyway?
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:38:24 GMT

In article <BxMu36.IM9@cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>===== ftp eff.org:pub/academic/law/miller =======
>The Supreme Court's definition of obscenity (the so-called _Miller_
>test) is:
>
>1) must appeal to the prurient interest

   As best as I can figure this means only good porn is illegal. If a movie
is hot, if it features healthy and attractive people, then it is illegal. If
it is boring or crude, then it is OK.

>
>2) must describe sexual conduct in a way that is "patently offensive"
>to community standards
>
   So _nothing_ is obscene until it is ruled obscene in a trial. Because
we don't know the community standards until ruling is made.

>and
>
>3) when taken as a whole, it "must lack serious literary, artistic,
>political, or scientific value"
>
   Does this include educational value? Maybe a combination of literary
and scientific? An intro sexuality text doesn't pass any of these specific
tests, but has some 'value', right?

   In my opinion, point #2 mean that sysadmins don't have to worry about
judging obscenity for themselves. And don't forget that #3 specifies taking
the work as a whole. How does that apply to a.b.p.e? IS the newsgroup a
whole? Or is an individual posting a whole? Or is it the original publication
used for the test? Does the fact that what is stored on your system is
actually uuencoded mean that it can't be obscene. ASCII characters don't turn
me on.

DanZ

-- 
This article is for entertainment purposes only. Any facts, opinions,
narratives or ideas contained herein are not necessarily true, and do
not necessarily represent the views of any particular person.  

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From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: a.b.p.e. distribution (was, Re: Does USENET condone CHILD PORNOGRAPHY?)
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:24:52 GMT

One real problem is that it's hard, if you've looked at things at all,
to be unaware that the nekkid pictures being posting to the net are not
copyright violations.

In fact, if you're reading this message, you've now been informed that
a large percentage of the x-rated and erotic GIFs posted in the alt groups
are copyright violations.

So while you may not read the group or look at any one posting, I have to
say that in my judgement, knowingly feeding a group that contains mostly
copyright violations will make you -- your site -- liable, not just the
people posting these violations.

There is precedent for this.  Normally, people who on photocopy shops are
not liable for what is done with photocopiers because they don't scan each
thing copied.  But a Kinkos did get sued to the tune of major dollars
because they regularly let a professor come in and copy books regularly.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: agretch@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Any charges?
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:41:56 GMT

As a new person on the net I have quite a few questions.
It is possible in many cases to answer them simply by playing around.
The basic problem is how to find out whether you going to have a bill
later or not. In other words will you be notified before logging in 
(for example) that you will pay.
I do have free access to mainframe at university.
Thanks a lot.
Alexei
From: anderson@mayo.edu (Alfred I. Anderson)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Help! Index of Files on SIMTEL???
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:35:20 GMT
Organization: Mayo Foundation

I've found that     rigel.acs.oakland.edu    mirrors the SIMTEL20 site.  
There are thousands of files available for FTP acquisition here.... however, 
The only Directory to these files (I'm interested in the MSDOS stuff) is a 
FILES.IDX that is really a data base file.  It lists file name, date, 
length, etc.  It does NOT list a file "comment" that describes what the file 
is about.

If one CDs to the appropriate subdirectory, there is a file called 00-index.
txt in each subdirectory that has exactly what I want to see in a files 
list. 

However, to my knowledge, there is no file that I can download that is a 
concatenation of all of the 00-index.txt files in all MSDOS 
subdirectories.... or is there?

I like to keep a text listing of files (and file comments) available on my 
local system. Then when I need to find a program that addresses a particular 
topic, I can FGREP (or LIST) against my local hard disk to locate the source 
and file name.  Archie is good if you have the file name, but frequently you 
need the file comment to identify a file.



SO, Can anyone suggest how I can get a concatenated listing of all of the 
00-index.txt files that are in the MSDOS directory of SIMTEL20??


Help!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Alfred Anderson                Internet:    anderson@Mayo.edu
Mayo Foundation - Rochester MN 55905
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From: mayers@weasel.syr.EDU (Michael  Ayers)
Subject: Re: finding e-mail addresses
In-reply-to: Bob.Dickey@altern8.mi.org's message of 3 Nov 92 05:54:04 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 13:05:20 EST

>In article <720863498.3@altern8.mi> Bob.Dickey@altern8.mi.org (Bob Dickey) writes:
>PK>If I want to send e-mail directly to a company such as Microsoft or Hayes
>PK>that has an internet connection such as microsoft.com, to ask a technical
>PK>question or make a suggestion, BUT I don't have any specific name of
>PK>an individual, is there a way of querying to see if there is a valid
>PK>e-mail address???

    If you are sure that the given machine, such as microsoft.com exists,
 then the best idea would be a politely worded letter to postmaster@machine,
 who would know if such an address exists.  Keep in mind that companies
 don't necessarily use their internet machines for customer support, or
 may perform internet support in other ways.  Wordperfect corp., for
 instance, has two newsgroups for support and announcements.

    If you are not sure that the machine exists, or don't know the name,
 I can't be of much help.
--

             Mike                       mayers@rodan.acs.syr.edu

    ADA:Reliable software must kill people reliably.
From: erik@maui.til.com (Erik Horstkotte)
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
Subject: Re: Regular expression search of articles in a folder
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:24:57 GMT
Organization: Togai InfraLogic, Inc.

In article <1992Nov10.232938.14507@netcom.com>, kennym@netcom.com (Kenny Meyer) writes:
|> Is there a way to do a regular expression search of all the 
|> articles in a folder?  The nn FAQ says you can't do it in 
|> nn.  Is there another utility available?

Yes, grep, egrep and fgrep.
-- 
Erik Horstkotte, Togai InfraLogic, Inc.
The World's Source for Fuzzy Logic Solutions (The company, not me!)
erik@til.com, gordius!til!erik - (714) 975-8522
info@til.com for info, fuzzy-server@til.com for fuzzy mail-server
Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: vknagend@uncc.edu (Vanamala K Nagendra)
Subject: Re: Welcome to news.newusers.questions! (weekly
Reply-To: vknagend@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:38:48 GMT

Can I get some info,or at least the source for the below!
Current State of the art in microprocessor families and workstation families in terms
of how they are improving speed?

Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner)
Subject: Trn Behaves Oddly
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:41:42 GMT

Hello, everyone.
 
Two days ago using trn, I read a thread in a particular newsgroup
that contained two articles.  Subsequent news reading sessions
failed to turn up any threads with the same subject as the two-
article thread I had previously read.  However, when doing a
?string?r command a few hours ago, I noticed two more articles
with the same subject heading that I feel quite sure I had not
seen before.  Can anyone imagine how trn may have failed to flag
these articles in previous sessions?
 
Thanks for any and all help.
 
Craig Werner <werner@world.std.com>

Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions
From: longleye@aztec.Berkeley.EDU (Edward Longley)
Subject: Help on my Name!!
Reply-To: longleye@aztec.Berkeley.EDU (Edward Longley)
Organization: Motorola Ltd., European Cellular Infrastructure Division
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:55:13 GMT

Hi,
    I have just started using Network News and have a problem. In my
"Reply-To" bit, it says "Berkeley.EDU" which is horribly wrong....
How do I change it? It should be longleye@aztec.swindon.rtsg.mot.com.

    HELP!!!!!


Regards,
        Ed 

Edward Longley
Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Division
Swindon. England.
Tel. : 0793 545303
Mail : longleye@aztec.swindon.rtsg.mot.com

Weinberg's Second Law:
        If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs,
        then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy
        civilization.

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