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From: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Subject: Re: To all christians...
Reply-To: nelson@pdn.paradyne.com (Bill Nelson)
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, FL
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:16:31 GMT

In article <Uf0_8J200iUxE_jKU1@andrew.cmu.edu>, Stephen Alan Sisson
<ssac+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|>Utter piffle.
|>There is nothing wrong with a homosexual act. This is simply a product
|>of the propaganda which seeks to condemn pleasure and praise suffering.
|>I am sure a lot of the oppression of homosexuals by christians comes
|>from the fact that homosexual congress can never produce a child,
|>therefore it can only be for pleasure. christians apparently think that
|>sex for pleasure is wrong.
|>i always found it entertaining that christians tend to think sex for
|>pleasure only as falling prey to "animal urges"... whereas most animals
|>actually only have sex for reproduction (like a "good" christian), and
|>nonreproductive sex is a trait particular to primates.
|>                                    Teevie >:0)


I'm not sure what Christians you are talking to, but sex for pleasure is not 
wrong at all - as long as it is done within marriage.  Ever read the Song
of Solomon?  Pretty saucy stuff there :-)

            
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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: help!
Date: 14 Nov 1992 00:24:51 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
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In article <j9r1wtq@rpi.edu>, cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) writes:
>>Typing update /auto does not bring up the nice windowed message box telling
>>which files are being indexed, nor does it dump me to dos. It does, however
>>lock up the computer except for a nice (and useless) mouse-controlled cursor.
>>Running guide.exe creates the same results. Replacing the data files (*.new)
>>with the *.old files, and porting over the .idx, etc files does not help.

SNAP!

>I'm not a comp systems engineer (just a lowly comp sci), so I can't put too 
>many ideas in.  It seems, though that there is a common factor in that in
>locks up on IBM-specific machines (ie. not clones).  What model PS/2 is it,
>what kind of procesor does it use, and how old is it?

 Neither of my machines was an IBM pc, and it crashed them both in the same
way... The common factor we appear to have so far is the computers being
XT's...  Do we have a model 30 PS/2 here perchance??  
(And don't call us comp sci's lowly! :-) )

| Adrian Harvey       (Harvey_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz)|
|             Windows?  Just say NO!               |
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: Itsy Bitsy Problem
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:06:51 GMT

Recently, Steve and I noticed an itsy bitsy problem.  In the most recent
WORKING.NEW file, the article on "The Bluffer's Guides" was accidentally
given the ID number of "1R7R01", when in fact it should have been just
"1R7".

The question is:

1) Should we change it?  If we do, everyone who has already included the
   article into their database for "TheGuide!" (as well as for other guides)
   will have it duplicated, and will have to delete the original by hand.
   (Of course, you could just delete all your database files, and then just
   re-install all the articles up to now again, which may or may not take
   longer... )

or:

2) Should we leave it as it is?

...Paul


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From: xyzzy@mertwig.UUCP (Daniel Drucker)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: sorry if I missed the FAQ, but ...
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 07:44:56 EST
Organization: Odd Parity Hacker's Group


Sorry if I missed the FAQ, but I've been lurking for a while and can't
figure out what it is your talking about. I subscribed to this groups
err group cause I thought it was about DNAdams.

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The 14 year old net.comm.genius. | Disclaimer: I don't know COBOL.
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From: jimb@rcx1.csd.harris.com (Jim Burmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Guide for Macintosh?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 15:22:50 GMT
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com

Is there anyone out there working on a guide for the Macintosh?
Is there anyone out there (besides me) who is interested in a guide for Macs?

-Jim Burmeister, jimb@csd.harris.com
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: Two New Articles on the way....
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:20:20 GMT

There are two new articles I've received and edited, one on Reno, Nevada,
and the other on "Pollution and the Economy" (or something like that).  I'm
only waiting now for the original authors to acknowledge the edited copies,
and I'll post the new articles here, and send them off to the archives...

...Paul


Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: jennings@halcyon.com (James Jennings)
Subject: Re: Guide for Macintosh?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:06:04 GMT

>Is there anyone out there working on a guide for the Macintosh?

I've only read the docs for the PC version. Could someone tell me if it
could be easily replicated in HyperCard? 

I've written a stack that can read TheGuide's input files and put the
records into the right fields, but it does nothing with the xref data.
In other words, the result is not much better than reading the file with
a text editor. 

Comments and suggestions anyone?

James

Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: kfarmer@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (keith farmer;S10000)
Subject: help!
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 03:41:13 GMT

What are the minimum requirements for tg!

I am running an ibm ps/2 with 527k free, and using stacker. My graphics are
limited to mcga. I got tg! onto my systems, and those of my friends, and while
they run it fine, mine wont run at all.

Typing update /auto does not bring up the nice windowed message box telling
which files are being indexed, nor does it dump me to dos. It does, however
lock up the computer except for a nice (and useless) mouse-controlled cursor.
Running guide.exe creates the same results. Replacing the data files (*.new)
with the *.old files, and porting over the .idx, etc files does not help.

Is there something I'm missing? The files came from guide.zip, at the swbaker
site.

Thanks...
Keith

Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: liebea@jec318.its.rpi.edu (Adam Fred Lieberman)
Subject: Re: Guide for Macintosh?
Reply-To: liebea@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:20:44 GMT

In article <1dtssaINNhha@travis.csd.harris.com>, jimb@rcx1.csd.harris.com (Jim Burmeister) writes:
|> Is there anyone out there working on a guide for the Macintosh?
|> Is there anyone out there (besides me) who is interested in a guide for Macs?
|> 
|> -Jim Burmeister, jimb@csd.harris.com

     I'm interested, but I don't have time to FTP and read Guide articles, much less
create THE Mac interface for it.  Actually, I don't have time to read this newsgroup,
either, but...  well, I don't have time to explain.			

						-Adam Lieberman
						 liebea@rpi.edu
From: "leo richardson" <UKI6@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Modifications to the FTP site at Oakland University
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:42:36 GMT



Steve Baker wrote:
>
> /ftp/pub/swbaker/fan
>
>        ....  In here is the "complete" index of every topic in the first
>      four books (called THHG.IDX), ....
>
I got this index, but which edition are the page numbers referring to?
There is a british paperback, american paperback, hardcover etc and
many translations. So it would be great if there was an index that
gives the chapter number and if the topic occurs at the beginning or
at the end of the chapter.


regards

leo

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From: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: Running TheGuide! under OS/2
Date: 13 Nov 1992 05:34:31 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
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In article <1992Nov11.140359.29633@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob or Eddie Froman depending on the moon) writes:
>YES YES YES -- I'm going to need some nice bitmap images to use in TG!
>for Windows, so anyone out there interested in helping out, please send
>THHG pictures!  (I'm not sure about the legalities of scanning stuff
>and using that, ie direct pictures of Ford, Arthur, etc from the TV
>series, etc... maybe we should stick to original creations and stuff
>that's mostly harmless...)
>
>OK, that's it for this post (one more to go!)
>
>Steve

Just an idea... I wonder what would have to be done to actually allow the
encoding of pictures ino the articles themselves... I guess that they would
have to be trimmed to 7-bit ( XX or UU encoding) and then decoded by the
updater program (or equivilent..)...

The ultimate guide reader would have speech synthesis too, so It could read the
articles to you (Like the original )

just silly ideas.....!


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|             Windows?  Just say NO!               |
From: jimb@rcx1.csd.harris.com (Jim Burmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: Guide for Macintosh?
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:11:07 GMT
Distribution: ssd
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
NNTP-Posting-Host: rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com

In article <1992Nov12.171300@IASTATE.EDU>, kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) writes:
> Shouldn't it be relatively easy?  I mean, Turbo Pascal exists on both systems,
> and there isn't that big a difference between the TV interface and the mac
> interface, so the code is probably relatively similar . . .

Actually, this is not entirely true.  While Turbo Pascal does exist on the
Macintosh, it is no longer supported by Borland, and hasn't been updated since
something like 1986.  So it wouldn't be practical to use it for development.
Besides, I don't think we could get by with a straight port of the PC version
of The Guide.  We Mac users are pretty picky, anything short of a full-blown 
Real Mac Interface(tm) just wouldn't cut it!  :-)

If I had more time on my hands, I would volunteer to do the project, but 
alas...

-Jim Burmeister, jimb@csd.harris.com
 
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: "leo richardson" <UKI6@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Running TheGuide! under OS/2
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:42:40 GMT



> From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
>
> Being an OS/2 v2.0 fan, I've drawn a half-decent icon for TheGuide!, since
> it WORKS EXCELLENTLY IN OS/2 v2.0's DOS WINDOW.  :)
>
If I try to start it directly by doubleclicking the icon, I get no
DOS window but a full screen, although the Settings/Session say
"DOS window (and not "DOS full screen"). I must open a DOS window and
start it from the command line to get into a window. (And there is
no readable font to do 50 lines/80 columns on a 1024*768 14" monitor).
So I am really looking forward to TheGuide! for Windows ....

> Actually, it's the green dude with the tongue and arms, and "Don't Panic"
> written on it.  If anyone's interested, e-mail me (cleggp@rpi.edu), and
> I'll try to figure out how to uuencode the thing...
>
I have tried the icon, and on my system, I changed the "don't panic"
letters a little bit so that they look like in the title screen. I still
want to design a 40*40 icon for those with higher resolution, and then
I 'll send it to Steve or Paul or post it here ....


regards

leo

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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: "leo richardson" <UKI6@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Running TheGuide! under OS/2
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:42:26 GMT



> From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
>
> In article <1992Nov10.184240.16402@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> "leo richardson" <UKI6
@D
> KAUNI2.BITNET> writes:
> >
> >> From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
> >>
> >> Being an OS/2 v2.0 fan, I've drawn a half-decent icon for TheGuide!, since
> >> it WORKS EXCELLENTLY IN OS/2 v2.0's DOS WINDOW.  :)
> >>
> >If I try to start it directly by doubleclicking the icon, I get no
> >DOS window but a full screen, although the Settings/Session say
> >"DOS window (and not "DOS full screen"). I must open a DOS window and
> >start it from the command line to get into a window. (And there is
> >no readable font to do 50 lines/80 columns on a 1024*768 14" monitor).
>
> Hmm...  I'm no OS/2 v2.0 guru, but I haven't had a problem...  Why are you
> trying to run it in 50 lines mode?  I've got it set up as a DOS Window, and
> the font I use (on all my DOS windows) is 10x6 (click app's upper left button
> and select Font Size), and I'm just running in standard VGA mode (no SVGA
> drivers, poop!)
>
> It may be defaulting to full screen because the 50 line mode requires the
> graphics card to do the work?
>
If I start it directly by doubleclicking the icon or from the OS/2
command line, I get a full screen session of 25, 43 or 50 lines.
If I start it from DOS command line window, I get a window of 25,
43 or 50 lines. I actually use 25 lines because 50 lines on a 14"
monitor is hurting your eyes. It works, but it is virtually unreadable.


regards

leo

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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: jasonp@sunbabe.Prime.COM (Jason Pascucci)
Subject: HyperTextish stuff
Organization: ComputerVision Services
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:18:08 GMT


Hi,

Has anybody looked into the (albeit pretty shoddy) hypertext-type
widgets that are around, like gopher, or WWW? They are more designed 
for distribution of data (another problem we need to solve)...hence the 
fairly sucky interface.

I'm not volenteering, I don't have the time right now, but it's 
something someone, perhaps the author of the Unix Guide tools, should 
consider. I'd (speaking as a potential contributer, and with my software
archicture hat on) really like two things (neither of these programs give 
it to you directly, but it's not difficult to hack in): a X GUI interface, 
with keyboard accelerators and indexing, and a way to simply and quickly add 
entries and ship them off to the appropriate place. I feel that if this 
happens, and you start making the correct annoucements to the net that 
this exists, you will get the flood of articles you want for this project. 
If you make it easy to do, plug-n-play...hell, provide a self-contained
binary directory for lots of platforms for the alternately clued, you'll 
get the strong response you want. But don't do it half-way, it will be 
another abortive attempt, which won't lend credibility to the
effort. 

--
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From: swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob or Eddie Froman depending on the moon)
Subject: Re: Running TheGuide! under OS/2
Summary: TG! for Windows...
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:03:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.184240.16402@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> "leo richardson" <UKI6@DKAUNI2.BITNET> writes:

>So I am really looking forward to TheGuide! for Windows ....

Yeah, me too.  That'll be GREAT!  Oh, wait, I'm supposed to *write* that
yet, aren't I?  <grin>

Look for it probably end of December/January'ish; I'm going to hold off on
it until I receive my copy of "Borland Pascal 7.0 w/Objects" (which is
supposed to be shipping this week or next).  With this beastie, the code
for both the DOS and the Windows versions can share libraries, and all
sorts of other great things.

>I have tried the icon, and on my system, I changed the "don't panic"
>letters a little bit so that they look like in the title screen. I still
>want to design a 40*40 icon for those with higher resolution, and then
>I 'll send it to Steve or Paul or post it here ....

YES YES YES -- I'm going to need some nice bitmap images to use in TG!
for Windows, so anyone out there interested in helping out, please send
THHG pictures!  (I'm not sure about the legalities of scanning stuff
and using that, ie direct pictures of Ford, Arthur, etc from the TV
series, etc... maybe we should stick to original creations and stuff
that's mostly harmless...)

OK, that's it for this post (one more to go!)

Steve
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From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Subject: Re: Guide for Macintosh?
Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:13:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.222025.4745@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
Jesse.Taylor@launchpad.unc.edu (Jesse Taylor) writes:
> Like, dude, I don't consider myself to be Mr. Hacker-Type-Person, but I
> can, like, generally tell what's going on in a mac program, and
> occasionally write something useful (having a huge pile of reference
> manuals helps, too.. :) Maybe, like, a bunch of mac-type hackers should,
> like, get together and port the guide to the mac, as a group. Or maybe
> rewrite it to take advantage of all the Superior Mac Things (tm). But
> *first* we'd have to know how the IBM version of The Guide works...

  Shouldn't it be relatively easy?  I mean, Turbo Pascal exists on both systems,
and there isn't that big a difference between the TV interface and the mac
interface, so the code is probably relatively similar . . .

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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: jlawson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (John A. Lawson III)
Subject: Re: is this
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:59:21 GMT

No it isn't

Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: Re: Running TheGuide! under OS/2
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:07:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.184240.16402@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> "leo richardson" <UKI6@DKAUNI2.BITNET> writes:
>
>
>> From: cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
>>
>> Being an OS/2 v2.0 fan, I've drawn a half-decent icon for TheGuide!, since
>> it WORKS EXCELLENTLY IN OS/2 v2.0's DOS WINDOW.  :)
>>
>If I try to start it directly by doubleclicking the icon, I get no
>DOS window but a full screen, although the Settings/Session say
>"DOS window (and not "DOS full screen"). I must open a DOS window and
>start it from the command line to get into a window. (And there is
>no readable font to do 50 lines/80 columns on a 1024*768 14" monitor).
>So I am really looking forward to TheGuide! for Windows ....

Hmm...  I'm no OS/2 v2.0 guru, but I haven't had a problem...  Why are you
trying to run it in 50 lines mode?  I've got it set up as a DOS Window, and
the font I use (on all my DOS windows) is 10x6 (click app's upper left button
and select Font Size), and I'm just running in standard VGA mode (no SVGA
drivers, poop!)

It may be defaulting to full screen because the 50 line mode requires the
graphics card to do the work?

...Paul


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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Subject: Amiga Reader
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:32:25 GMT

I ftp'd the AmiGuide yesterday, and tried it a bit. I wouldn't want to depress
anyway, but I found it pretty awful... I mean, 90KB compressed, and what does
it do? Read non-hypertext files, period.
Anyway, has anyone looked into the possibility of doing a GGP -> AmigaGuide
format converter? I might do it myself, but I'm TERRIBLY busy right now, and
as I'm no developer, I don't have very much information on the AmigaGuide
format, nor any development programs for it.
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Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (Dave `geek' Gymer)
Subject: ANNOUNCING TUG! version 2 pre-pre-very-early-alpha available
Reply-To: dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (Dave `geek' Gymer)
Organization: Nottingham University
Distribution: alt
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 11:39:45 GMT

I've put a totally non-functional version of TUG! v2 on
vela.acs.oakland.edu; it's just there for interested people (or any
other sentinent life form) to have a look at, and maybe spot typos and
make suggestions.  I will repeat, _this package does absolutely
nothing useful_.  Enough poeple have expressed interest in helping
with documentation as well as coding that I think this might be worth
it.

Please be sure to read the section on the `Version numbering scheme'
if you intend to try and keep up with new releases of this software;
things are gonna get a bit hairy!

It's in vela.acs.oakland.edu:pub/swbaker/tug/tug-2.0.0.tar.Z

Share and enjoy!
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