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From: nectar@world.std.com (Jacques A Vidrine)
Subject: Re: Cerebus TPB (was Re: Marvel Writers slyly criticizing Company Policy
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:48:46 GMT

jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand) writes:

>	Awk. Guess I wasn't clear enough in what I was saying. Right now
>there are indeed 6 Cerebus volumes in print. (Up through Melmoth.) However
>only 4 of them (up through Church and State) are readily available through
>the standard distribution system (in other words, available in most comic
>shops). The other two are available only by ordering directly from A-V. A
>few stores have ordered the later books this way and then resold them to
>their customers, but in most cases if someone has Jaka's Story or Melmoth
>they ordered it directly from A-V. This is changing with the other two books
>being released through the normal distribution system within the next few
>months. The direct ordered volumes don't have anything on the spine while
>the ones sent through distributors have the title and the volume number on
>the spine.

>	Hopefully I didn't mess this up again and create more confusion.

Next time I'll finish reading the thread before I post ...

Just let me repeat here that my local shop (in backwards Lake Charles, LA)
has all six TPB, through Melmoth, and have had them for a couple of weeks
now.
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From: mmaxwell@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Annotated Sandman?
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:32:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UC San Diego
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Would the kind author of the Annotated Sandman please
repost these gems, or better yet mail them to me, if
its not any trouble.  I'm about to embark or re-reading
the entire Sandman run and would like to have a bit
of a guide.

Thanks in advance.
-------------------
Matt Maxwell
mmaxwell@ucsd.edu

"He took personality tests
 and stapled them to his lower lip" -- Stan Ridgway
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel Bashing
Date: 1 Sep 1992 01:50:03 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <92244.104307U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> U16244@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>Ren and Stimpy: Their comic isn't coming out for another couple months!
>Hurry!  Hurry up!!!!! I can hardly wait!

	"But what'll we do 'till then?"
-- 
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From: tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com (tim clinkenpeel)
Subject: slaine: the horned god = slaine the ________ ?
Reply-To: tpehrson@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:08:56 GMT

over a year ago heavy metal ran what they announced to be a three-part series
called "slaine: the horned god".  i never saw another installment; however, a
recent heavy metal ran a "mr. monster" which appeared to be by the same
person(s).  i called the local comic shop and asked if they had a "slaine: the
horned god" (as long before i had seen a poster for it) and they said "yeah,
we have slaine the ______" -- i can't remember exactly what he said for
"_____", but something along the lines of "berserker" or "barbarian".  i'm
wondering if this is the continuation to "S:THG" or something completely
different.

i was hoping someone out there knew and could save me a trip to the comic
store (out of my way).  please use e-mail.

-- 
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/represent myself.  i do not offend anyone; however, some morons choose to  \
\offend themselves.  judge only those who you would have judge yourself.  i /
/don't practice what i preach - i'm not the type of person i'm preaching to.\
From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Excalibur #54
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:24:03 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

rknowles@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Rick Knowles) writes:

>Hi,
>I just started reading Excalibur the last 10 issues or so and I think it's
>about the best written mag around.  However, maybe some of you long time
>readers can help me out.
>  - Who is Vixen and Jaime?
>  - What is Saturnyne's relationship to Capt Britain?
>Thanx a lot
>Rick
>Keeper of the Simpsons
>-- 

Rick:

	Vixen is a criminal mastermind operating out of Britian whom the group 
has faced a number of times in the past (I think she was responsible for 
breaking out Juggernaut in some early issues (they're at home))...

	Jamie is James Braddock, Brian and Betsy's older brother... he's been 
a dangling plotline for a while... he's got some cool powers, and has given 
the group a run for their money before (during the monstrously stupid "Cross Time Caper" which I was gullible enough to buy in it's entirety (sp??))

Hope this helps.

Dave
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: irwin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kent Irwin)
Subject: Sam and Max: Freelance Police
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 19:39:37 GMT

	The new Sam & Max: Freelance Police Color Collection is out!

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar)
Subject: Re: My thoughts on Sandman 42
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 17:28:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.100856.1@skcla.monsanto.com> jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.032222.15756@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:
>> Spoiler after the ^L
>> 
>> You're right that he did this, but wrong as to his target. Loki switched
>> places with the Japanese thunder god (as he mentioned, he has a slight
>> grudge against such deities). Dream caught him and made an unspecified
>> deal with Loki not to let Odin know about it. Nuala isn't Loki unless
>> Dream's been very careless for a very long time now.
>
>Unspecified?  From the TPB edition of Season of Mists, it seems pretty
>apparent that Dream will replace the bound Susan-Thingie with a dream image,
>and that Loki is born into an oriental child.
>
I got the impression that Nada was reborn as the child in Hong Kong, not
Loki.  I also got the impression that Loki is still in the Dream's domain.

Mike McKellar (mgq@inel.gov)
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From: v079m8ta@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J Klaybor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Infinity Wars & Related Stuff
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:37:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


>>	Just thought I'd try and get a sub-conversation started here 
>>about the Infinity Wars series....thought it to be _very_ 
>>interesting, and was wondering if anyone is as hooked on it as I
>>am!!
> 
>I hate it. I want everyone associated with putting Infinity War in
>all those titles I used to read drawn and quartered.
	
	Now I agree -- the "powers that be" who created all the x-overs
	should be drawn and quartered, not someone who simply enjoys the
	story. 
> 
>>incredible!!  A great follow-up to the 'Infinity Gauntlet' series,
>>IMO.
> 
> Infinity Gauntlet was cool, but it stayed in it's own books. Infinitely
> Long War has lasted way too long and ruined the plot line on TOO many
> otherwise readable books.
> 
>Axly

	Again, I can't apologize for the buttheads who 'ruined' other 
	titles, but contrary to the general consensus here, I know quite
	a few people who actually (gasp) like the Infinity Wars.

Maybe I deserve this punishment, but then again maybe Bush will be re-elected.

Jonny B.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Re: Face of Doom
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:14:24 GMT

The face of Doom has been speculated on for many years. One of them is
that Doom isn't really hideous scarred, but is just increadiably vain.
The explosion that maimed him actually only put a small scar on him, but
because he was so vain about his looks he decided he was scarred
forever.

On a side note, this may fall under urban legend but I read somewhere
that a fan once asked Ditko (it was Ditko who did the FF, wasn't it?)
what Doom looked like. He apparently obliged (don't know why) and drew
someone who looked remarkably like Stan Lee, but with a small scar on
his cheek. Of course, Ditko could have been just bitter, but who knows.
Besides, Doom would have to look better than Lee.


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* Craig Welsh                  *    "I'm a few bricks short of a       *
*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
* cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca     *     hurt my back."                    *
*                              *     "Crazy" - Barenaked Ladies        *
************************************************************************
* "Homeboy from Hell." Screw that. I'm the Waiter from Hell.           *
*  You figure out which is scarier.                                    *
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From: whicken@kastor.ccsf.caltech.edu (Wendell Hicken)
Subject: Re: What's with "The Human Target" (Hey, DC readers!)?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:56:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.071239.2316@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>They mean "The Human Target" from DC.  The only comics I have of him
>>>are backup stories in the old Detective Comics.  Same basic premise of
>>>a guy who wears makeup to save other people's lives.  
>>
>>I'm not sure he was ever in 'Tec, but he did play back-up for Action
>>in the early-mid 400's.
>>
>He was in Action 419-423, and not in Detective, but I'm pretty sure he had
>another short back-up run a little after that.
>
>Pax ex machina,
>Glenn
>

Ahem.  If you will, please check out Detective Comics 484 and 486.  Both
of these issues, if not others, have Human Target stories in them.  (Yes,
I had to dig through my back issues to find 'em - but they're there!)

					Wendell
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: JSA CANCELLED????
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:25:11 GMT

The fact JSA will be cancelled makes me even more eager to keep buying it.  
Why? Because knowing that it will only last 10 issues will allow the creative 
team to tell one really good story (maybe two) without having to weave in 
subplots and foreshadowing for the next big story that would keep us reading 
beyond #10.  With that space freed up, more time can be devoted to the current 
story, and I know that after 10 issues I'll have a complete storyline and can 
stop buying with a clear conscience, not worrying about "What happened to X?"
     Dave Van Domelen, would still like it to continue, but at least now 
doesn't have to worry about seeing it decline with time. Heh.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: cable
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:12:34 GMT

Hey, if Cable really is the missing replicant, then he's doomed to die in four 
years from introduction (or less!).  Huzzah! }->
     Dave Van Domelen, "Shhhh....Be vewy vewy quiet...I am hunting 
wepwicants...Hehehehehe...." - quote from somewhere
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
From: hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter)
Subject: Re: Marvel Bashing
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, Univ. of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:12:54 GMT

In article <24243@oasys.dt.navy.mil> pyoung@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Paul Young) writes:
>Netters, Just posting to get a point across IMHO that
>rec.arts.comics and other related groups seem to be
>anti-MARVEL.

It's probably true that most r.a.c. readers both don't like the 
product that Marvel has been producing lately.  It's probably
true that most of r.a.c. doesn't like Marvel's marketing
strategies. I fall into both categories, myself.  I grew up
reading Marvel's almost exclusively, but the quality of their
product has been so poor the last few years that I won't buy
it.  

>    I'v been reading (and occasionally posting) in the
>    group for 6-8 months.  It seem as soon as a post
>    Marval related go's up the Marvel "vultures"----
>    (Def. - a greedy,ruthless person) flame the post
>    to submission before any (if any) constructive
>    dialog can begin.  

Well, I've certainly not found that to be the case.  There's
lots of discussion about Marvel's books, esp. lately the
Infinity War stuff.  There's even a whole sub-group devoted
to the X-titles.  So, feel free to post about Marvel if
you want to.  

I think what gets some people mad about certain Marvel readers
is that these readers seem willing to blindly follow the company
line and will buy anything they put on the shelf, regardless of
its quality.  This distorts the market and discourages the
production of better quality books.

David C. Hunter
hunter@cse.uta.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:16:42 EDT
From: <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: FACE IT: ROB LIEFELD IS GOD!!!

Just kidding.
From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Dave Sim and feminism (Re: feminist comics?)
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:26:14 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame


 wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:

>Well, it appears to be the radical feminists who get his goat - the ones
>who do things like hold "Take Back the Night" rallies.  I don't pay enough
>attention to his ranting to be able to tell if he makes the mistake of
>assuming those are the *only* feminists still around.  I just stare
>at the pretty pictures he draws and pretend I know what's going on...

*Whoa* "Take back the night" rallies are radical?! The ones I've seen on the
news and in the papers have always been people walking around at night
with candles and lights. The groups that usually hold take back the night
walks are people who want to make a statement about rape, as well as 
neighborhoods that want to get rid of crime (These are also called "Take back
the streets").

There was a time when just the word "feminism" would set Dave Sim off, though
lately it seems that he's just opposed to any group of people that tries
to tell others how to act or think. This puts the more militant feminists on
his list of people he doesn't like dealing with. 

>But feminism is such a loaded word to begin with and this is not the
>time nor the newsgroup for debating about it in...

I agree. Let's just use this dying group to talk about comic creators 
pet peeves.... 

--
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu       "Come, come Slygg..."                    +
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                                                  +
From: chin@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Frederick Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Infinity Wars & Related Stuff
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:41:00 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

/ hpcc01:rec.arts.comics / v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J Klaybor) / 10:22 pm  Aug 26, 1992 /


>about the Infinity Wars series....thought it to be _very_ 
>interesting, and was wondering if anyone is as hooked on it as I
>am!!

Looking at all the other responses, I have to say they hated it.
As for me, it is just an ok series...I guess it couldn't be too
bad of a series since I keep on buying the next issue to see what
happens.  I do believe it is overblown though.

All in all, I like the series.  Of course...to each his/her own.

Fred Chin
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From: dwaldhof@nyx.cs.du.edu (Darien Waldhoff)
Subject: Johnny Nemo?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 10:43:04 GMT



 Wow....I was wondering if anyone out there besides myself ever got into
the classic Eclipse title, "The Johnny Nemo Magazine" or anything else
related to him (like all three "Strange Days" comics he appeared in, and
the graphic novel from Britain as well)......no one besides myself that I
know of really got into that book.

 If you're into that book, and know of any other comic books, graphic
novels, or anything else besides:

    The Johnny Nemo Magazine 1-3
    Strange Days 1-3
    Johnny Nemo Graphic Novel

 That he's appeared in, or if you dig the book, please let me know! I hope
I'm not alone....

 Darien
 dwaldhof@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: msanto@micromed.com (mike santo)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Superman's Death
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:55:51 GMT
Organization: Micro-Medic  - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access

OK, I haven't read comics for a while, but I read about Superman's 
upcoming death in the paper today.  I remember when DC went thru the 
infamous crisis, and the killing of Supergirl and later, of Superboy, who 
it turned out existed in an alternate universe but not ours.  Now 
Superman, too.  Anybody have inside info on this?  Don't tell me they're 
going to resurrect the name with some other character?
  And Lois killed too?

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From: csp43@seq1.keele.ac.uk (P.J. Case)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Marvel's untouchable corpses (Toro)
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:39:13 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

From article <1992Sep2.173054.137011@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, by pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis):
>>On related topics: what exactly happened to Toro?
>>What other Marvel stiffs are untouchable?  I'd guess Uncle Ben, and um...
>>well, I can't really think of anyone else after the Parker Parents fiasco.
> 
> Unless there was some sort of retcon, Toro died in Sub-Mariner #14 (1969)
> while saving Namor from being attacked (can't remember by who).
> 

Wasn't toro being tricked into thinking that he was Jim Hammond (human torch 1)
by the Mad Thinker.  I think he either flew into an erupting volcano or into
the exhaust-pipe of his getaway rocket - which then exploded.


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From: husty@cathedral.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Steve Husty)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Slaine: The Horned God,  (Jester)
Date: 31 Aug 92 20:11:34 GMT


	The books this person is looking for are a three issue installment.
	The series was done by Simon "The Biz" Beasley, as was the HM Mr.
	Monster story.  I've read S:THG, it was the third installment. I do
	recall the other books having similar titles, with Slaine's sub-title
	differing in each book.  So what you describe, Slaine: The _______
	is probably, I'm sure, part 1 or 2 of the series.  BTW, I loved the
	story which is an old Gaelic Myth.  If you have the chance, grab 'em
	all.

			Jester
From: ack@coos.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: My thoughts on Sandman 42
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:09:05 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

lazarus@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.174619.26380@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, ack@coos.dartmouth.edu (Andy J. Williams) writes:
>>All of his past love-disasters have been female, but I doubt there is any hard 
>>and fast rule that Dream couldn't be bi... who's to say really except Gaiman 
>>himself.

>Who's to say that Dream has to be MALE all the time?

Damn good point...


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From: 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Infinity Wars & Related Stuff
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:52:49 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <BtnCqz.145@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:
> v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jon J Klaybor) writes:
> 
> 
>>	Hey everyone!  (Everyone point at newbie)
> 
> *points*
> 
>>	Just thought I'd try and get a sub-conversation started here 
>>about the Infinity Wars series....thought it to be _very_ 
>>interesting, and was wondering if anyone is as hooked on it as I
>>am!!
> 
> I hate it. I want everyone associated with putting Infinity War in
> all those titles I used to read drawn and quartered.
> 
>>incredible!!  A great follow-up to the 'Infinity Gauntlet' series,
>>IMO.
>  
>  Infinity Gauntlet was cool, but it stayed in it's own books. Infinitely
>  Long War has lasted way too long and ruined the plot line on TOO many
>  otherwise readable books.
> 
> Axly

Just to throw two cents in:  I disagree.

Alot of books don't follow the plot line of Infinity War, some do because a lot 
of writers either want to use the basic theme to further characterization 
(like in New Warriors) or as a breather for the writer (Deathlok).

I like the way Starlin wrote this saga, it's more involving than Gauntlet and
has the 'twists and turns' that make a comic book almost as exciting as 
novel.  And it uses contributing books to supplement the War with that book's 
point of view without fogging up the actual series with distractions like 
alot of DC's mini-series do (except LEGENDS - which I still consider one of the
best of this type).

I can't wait for the conclusion of this saga because there is alot of stuff
that Starlin has kept dangling in our faces -how he ties it up is going to 
be exciting.

                               Thanks,
                               Ned
                               St. Peter's College.