HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: vrr@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (veenu.r.rashid)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted
Subject: What is the price of an used IPX or IPC box?
Keywords: just cpu
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:27:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


Just curious - what is the estimated value of an used IPX or
IPC cpu.  Interpret this as, `What is the lowest that a VAR
would sell it for?' or `How much would it cost to make one?'
Whichever is lower.

Thanks,
Veenu

vrr@cbnewsj.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted
From: tmpmgg@eua.ericsson.se (Mats Gunning)
Subject: Wanted: Visualization tool for SUN
Reply-To: tmpmgg@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 09:53:12 GMT

Could anyone help me find a graphical tool for a SUN workstation, suitable for modeling an 
executing object oriented system?

My aim is to make an application that reads a detailed tracelist made 
from an executing objectoriented communication system. From that list,
I want to graphically display every interesting event such as signals 
in the net, object creation and deletion.

Because of the amount of information in the tracelist, I have to filter
it in a way the user dynamically decide.

For example if the system starts with an event that triggers 10 events 
that triggers 20 events each that ....

This would soon become impossible to display, why the user should be able 
to choose which branch(es) he/she wants to trace.

My plan is to split the problem in two parts, a module written by me in 
C++ that filters the input, and a visualisation-module that I hope already
exist somewhere. The properties I want from the visualisation-module is 
that it:

* Contains a model of the system entities.
* Can use arbitrary bitmaps to represent objects.
* Can read input from a file or socket and does appropriate actions.
* Reports events such as mouseclicks on an object to the filter module.

If anyone has seen a tool suitable for this purpose, I would be most 
greatful for a mail to:

tmpmgg@eua.ericsson.se


Mats Gunning

Student at School of Computer Science at 
Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.sys.sun.admin
From: cgh018@tijc02.uucp (Calvin Hayden x2254)
Subject: Timed on SunOS 4.1.X??
Organization: Siemens Industrial Automation, Johnson City TN
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 15:19:53 GMT

Hello net,

I recently downloaded a copy of timed from uunet.  Exactly what I was
looking for.  We have several (40) Sparcs here, as well as several SCO
boxes.  Rdate works for Suns, but must be run periodically - SCO doesn't 
have an Rdate.  We'd like to be able to have all systems (SUns and SCO's)
sync to the same time.  Timed looked like it would do this (Sco provides it).
However, when I tried to build on the Suns, I found that the 
/usr/include/protocols/timed.h file did not contain enough information in it.
This is true for SunOS 4.1, 4.1.1, 4.1.2.  I checked the header file on an
SCO box, and it is OK.  The primary question is:  Anyone out there running
timed on their Suns?  Is there an easier way to do what I want to do?  I have
seen a little on ntp, but timed seemed better.  Please email or post.

Thanks,
Calvin Hayden
tijc02!cgh018@uunet.uu.net

-- 
Calvin Hayden                   Uucp: uunet!tijc02!cgh018        
Siemens Industrial Automation   Inet: cgh018%tijc02@uunet.uu.net  
-- My opinions and mine alone --      cgh018@tijc02.uucp         
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted,tx.wanted,misc.forsale.computers.workstation,dfw.forsale,tx.forsale
From: rosk@rillonia.ssc.gov (Robert Skegg)
Subject: Wanted for $$$: Sun Sparc 2
Followup-To: rosk@rillonia.ssc.gov
Summary: Looking for worksation for cash.
Organization: SSC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:45:45 GMT


           !!!!!! DISCLAIMER !!!!!!!!
This request has no connection with SSC, DOE, etc.

WANTED: Used or new Sun Sparc 2, mono screen, 32Meg+ram 200meg+ disk,
For cash $$$.

Email to rosk@rillonia.ssc.gov or phone (214) 708 3432. Texas.

           !!!!!! DISCLAIMER !!!!!!!!
This request has no connection with SSC, DOE, etc.
From: sudhir@Metaphor.COM (Sudhir Walvekar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted
Subject: POSTSCRIPT PREVIEWER for SUNTOOLS ?
Keywords: POSTSCRIPT, PREVIEWER, SUNTOOLS
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:40:16 GMT
Reply-To: sudhir@Metaphor.COM (Sudhir Walvekar)
Organization: m4

Does something like that exist ? 
If so, could you tell me where I can get a copy of it.
 
I am using SunTools and not OpenWindows (which has pageview).
gspreview works only on X based systems.
 
- sudhir
 



-- 
+-------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
| Sudhir Walvekar               |       Phone : (415) 966 - 0386            |
|                               |       Fax   : (415) 966 - 1637            |
| Metaphor Computer Systems     |       Email :                             |
| 1965 Charleston Rd.,          |               sudhir@metaphor.com,        |
| Mountain View, CA 94043       |       ...!{apple|decwrl}!metaphor!sudhir  |
| USA                           |                                           |
+-------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.wanted
From: rjsmith@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil (Randy Smith)
Subject: Novell MHS <--> SMTP gateway for Sun
Organization: U.S. Air Force Security Assistance Center (AFSAC)
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:56:00 GMT


We are looking at running SunLink NetWare.  We need a Sun-based MHS product
that will allow us to use MHS-based PC e-mail applications with the Sun as our
MHS server.  We will also need this (or another) product to provide translation
to SMTP mail.  One of our interests/concerns is what happens when a PC user
attaches a binary file to a message that goes out into the SMTP world?  A
MHS package on the Sun that was smart enough to covert the attachment to MIME
would be fantastic.  What's out there?

--Randy--

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Randy J. Smith                           DoD #2022   '85 CB450SC
C.E.T.A. Corp                            rjsmith@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil

"Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments
for going on believing as we already do."
				              -  James Harvey Robinson
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
From: cone@controls.ccd.harris.com (Tom Cone)
Subject: Re: Problems with Fast SCSI-II on Sun Sparc 10 (long)
Organization: Harris Controls and Composition
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:29:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.100038.27178@panix.com> alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen) writes:
>I remember some discussion of FPT when IBM first introduced it. I seem to
>recall that there was mention of some potential problems with FPT too.
>
>However... Assuming FPT is the solution we seek, where do we go about
>terminating a Sparcstation 2? Obviously, the external end of the chain, but
>what about inside the box? I have yet to get a straight answer as to where
>(if anywhere) the internal part of the SCSI bus is terminated (I suspect that
>it isn't but have no real basis on which to judge).
>

1. The internal drive is terminated at the drive. SUN does it like IBM's
   internal/external controller. Terminate the external on the last device.
2. Aeronics sells the FPT's. Depending on quanity around $40.
3. Aeronics is working on an all line FPT. Should work even better than
   the three line.
4. Yes FPT works on SCSI-1 and SCSI-2.
5. In answer to someone elses question. The thru-put on the SCSI bus drops
   off after the fourth device. This is what we have seen in our tests
   on SCSI-1 and SCSI-2.
6. For FPT to work best it needs to installed at both ends of the bus.
   We have seen much better results than passive termination by just
   putting a FPT at the end though.

Hope this helps.

Tom

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: purwinc@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: 16" $375
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:32:18 GMT

-- 

I have 3 Ikegami 16" monitors , model  CDE165VB-AF68

Friend of mine put it on a Sun4  with a CG4 card  
(I have no clue what that is , i know what a sun is though)

And it synced up.

One of the monitors has a 1/2 inch crack in the casing which is not visible
from the front.

$375 a peice $325 if you take all 3.



================================================================================
Charles Purwin    Systems    Internet: purwinc@woods.ulowell.edu
Actually, unix is a very user-friendly system.  Its just that it is
     particular about which users it chooses to be friendly with.   -The Oracle
Programmers and programs alike need die gracefully upon failure, and exit with
     no system disruption.
I didn't buy my Amiga 500.  I BUILT it from the IC up.   
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs,comp.periphs.printers
From: cobleigh@nosc.mil (M. Cobleigh)
Subject: Ethernet to Parallel Printer Connection
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:50:34 GMT

Within the last two weeks I received a brochure with various
items to use to connect printers to the ethernet. Of special
interest was something that had an ethernet connection and a
single parallel port. It was only $175. (There were other useful
configurations as well.)

Unfortunately, I changed offices on about the same day that this
brochure showed up. It seems to have been misplaced in the shuffle
and I can't find it anywhere.

Has anyone on the net received such a brochure and, if so, could you
please send me the name of the company and its phone number? 

Thanks,
Margaret Cobleigh
NCCOSC/NRaD
San Diego, CA

cobleigh@nosc.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: How does the new 2000+MIP Sun server compare against a Cray/XMP?
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:50:21 GMT

In article <lg859oINNa9j@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> walter@zarquon.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 7567@zia.aoc.nrao.edu, rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
>>The 2.19 GIPS is 
>>an aggregate number of the performance of all 20 processors using the
>>SPECrate_int92 benchmark.
>
>You can ask your sales rep for the performance brief for the details.

Yes, I have it; this was in fact where I got the numbers.

>Actually, the 2.19 GIPS is based on Dhrystone 1.1, as is traditional.
>SPECrate_int92 gives a measure of total system throughput on the SPEC
>CINT92 benchmarks

Hmmm ... well, I don't have the brief right in front of me (I'm not at work), 
but I don't recall that the Performance Brief mentions Dhrystones. I arrived 
at a number almost exactly the same as the 2.19GIPS for 20 processors simply 
by extrapolating from SPECrate_int92. I believe integer performance was only 
quoted there up to 8 processors. Since it's a measure of throughput, it's 
reasonably fair to just double it and add a bit. Obviously with 20 processors, 
the bus I/O performance starts to become a factor, but I'd be surprised if 
any of these CPU benchmarks had any significant I/O component.

Does anyone have any figures for how well the buses handle heavy I/O on a
20-processor system? Our primary application can have a CPU to I/O ratio of 
about 10 FLOPS per byte (roughly), and there is some concern over how well 
the I/O throughput (both to memory and devices) will scale.

Thanks.
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
From: cho@cho.gsis.co.kr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Postscript Printer with SUN Sparcstations
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:59:40 GMT

We have a SUN Sparcstation to which an Apple LaserWriter is connected 
in a serial Postscript mode.  How can I get various filters used in 'printcap'
in order to print text / troffed files using the LaserWriter?
It would be very grateful to help me find out solutions to the problem.

Tai-Hoon Cho
e-mail: cho@cho.gsis.co.kr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing)
Subject: Re: HELP! Suns forsale, no idea what they are!
Organization: Fordham University, Science and Mathematics
Distribution: comp
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:44:09 GMT


 Thanks to all who replied. I've received numerous responses to my
 original post. Many expressed an interest in purchasing some of this
 sun equipment. As soon as I get a chance to figure out what it's
 worth I'll make a posting here. This may be a couple of weeks though
 as I'm studying for the GRE. The prof I'm working for asked me to try
 to get rid of it in one chunk. I'll post an inventory along with
 price guestimates asap.
  Again,
  Thanks for the quick replies,
  Brian...
--

 Brian...

 brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
         brian@dsm.fordham.edu       bdowning@mary.fordham.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: montjoy@thor.ece.uc.edu (Robert Montjoy)
Subject: Re: 10BaseT/thin-net & 10BaseT/AUI adapters for SPARC 10
Organization: Unversity of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:21:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.203549.18515@ll.mit.edu> kpl@ll.mit.edu ( Kevin Lawton) writes:
>For those of you who need to connect your SPARC 10 to existing
>thin/thick-nets,
>
>The SunExpress catalog offers both a 10BaseT/Thinnet converter
>($275), and a 10BaseT/AUI converter ($195).
>
>These units are designed to convert workstations with only 10BaseT
>ports, like the SPARC 10.
>
>please call SunExpress for more info:
>
>800-USE-SUNX

Hi.

Why spend a $275 for a convertor when a 10-Base T hub costs around $375
(from Milan) and with an education discount of 10% it cames in around $335.

It has an AUI port, a thin-net port,and a twisted pair port for
hooking it to an exsisting network.

-- 
Rob Montjoy                   		- Rob.Montjoy@UC.Edu
Computer Engineer    	      		- montjoy@ucbeh.BITNET
University of Cincinnati      		- montjoy@babbage.ece.uc.edu
Electrical and Computer Engineering	- uunet!uceng!rmontjoy

--  To Save the Earth. The Humans must die.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.sys.sun.forsale,comp.arch.storage,comp.periph
From: brat@access.digex.com (Brat Wizard)
Subject: Re: Info Needed On Fujistsu MK2333/22 Hard Drives
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:42:03 GMT


-******************* Posting for a friend ***********************-

A friend of mine (Herb Dunkle) is in need of some assistance:

He needs to get information on who can format and write servo tracks for
a Fujitsu MK2333 and MK2322 Hard Drives.

He has approximately 30 units that need reformatting, and possibly several
hundred in the next calendar year.

Anyone with information, please respond to:

	HERB DUNKLE (in the subject line please)

	care of:   brat@access.digex.com

Thanks.

Brat Wizard
From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Sun Monitor options
Date: 18 Nov 1992 12:16:30 -0000
Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn
NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <41183@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ma90fau@imath1.ucsd.edu (ma90fau) writes:
>I am somehow confused by Suns midrange color option.  If you own a
>Sparcstation LX, what difference does it make between the midrange
>and regular?  The midrange monitor can display 1152x900 right?
>I have never actually see a midrange 16 color monitor before, who
>makes those monitors?  Is it a flat screen monitor?

I'm sat at a mid-range IPC as I type.
We have some IPXs with premium monitors and I get the impression
that if you're doing 8hr/day CAD work, you'd do better with one of them.
The mid-range is perfectly acceptable for general X usage and I don't
really notice the difference apart from the price, and that the premium
monitors are a lot larger around the back of the tube.

Cheers,
-- 
\/ato - Ian Dickinson - NIC handle: ID17                   No-one is to molest
vato@csv.warwick.ac.uk  ...!mcsun!uknet!warwick!vato           the wombat when
/I=I/S=Dickinson/OU=CSV/O=Warwick/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/            anyone is
@c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson  watching.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi
From: milton@teal.csn.org (Milton Scritsmier)
Subject: Re: Problems with Fast SCSI-II on Sun Sparc 10 (long)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 06:27:07 GMT

In article <37088@cbmvax.commodore.com> jesup@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) writes:
>jjg@pt.com (John Grana) writes:
>>As one who has spent the past year dealing with Fast SCSI on single ended
>>busses, all on SBus, I can offer the following:
>
>> Also, our driver performs a speed
>>reduction when it detects a sync. problem. So, the system would start at
>>10 MB/sec., then drop to 8 and maybe even 6.7 MB/sec before it would
>>stabilize.
>
>	What method do you use to determine when a sync problem has occurred?
>Mismatched transfer sizes?  How do you tell this is different from either
>commands which return less than requested, or people who use CAM (or the
>equivalent) and tell you the command will do more or less IO than it actually
>does?
>

Your're right, that's a real problem. While there are cases where you
definitely know a sync problem has occurred (eg., offset count
exceeded), there are also ambiguous cases where you don't know for
sure (eg., the transfer hangs).

The best way I can think of uses the assumption that sync problems
are chip problems while transfer count problems are due to firmware
problems (including programming the chip with the wrong count).
Thus if you renegotiate for a slower synchronous transfer speed (or
better yet for an asynchronous transfer), retry the command that
failed, and have it succeed, then probably you are dealing with a
sync problem. This assumes the firmware on the target goes through
the same basic steps in either case, except for the setting of the
transfer mode and speed.

There could be firmware bugs which are timing dependent and hence
sensitive to the transfer rate, or firmware bugs where the chip
is programmed wrong for certain transfer modes. However, from the
host's point of view, it probably doesn't matter. With one transfer
rate the command fails, while with another transfer rate the command
succeeds. Whatever the cause, the work-around is the same.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: Rob.E.Allan@hydro.on.ca (Rob E. Allan)
Subject: 2 Gb drives on suns
Reply-To: Rob.E.Allan@hydro.on.ca
Organization: Ontario Hydro
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:02:56 GMT

We are considering the purchase of a 5.25" 2Gb SCSI Fujitsu drive.
Does anyone know of any problems in attaching a disk of this size
to a sun sparc (1-2) running SunOS 4.1.1? I seem to remember there were
problems attaching a >1GB drive to suns in the past.

Is anyone happily running a 2Gb drive on a desktop sparc? Any bad
experiences or caveats.

Thanks,

rob allan	email:rob.e.allan@hydro.on.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: schultz@halley.est.3m.com (John C. Schultz)
Subject: Screen refresh on SPARCclassic - pieces left lying about?
Organization: 3M Company, 3M Center, Minnesota, USA
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 01:57:39 GMT

Has anyone noticed problems with the screen refresh on a SPARCclassic?

I was at a demo today and another person and I were playing with a
SPARCclassic, simply moving windows about, popping windows up, making them go
away, etc. (looking for games basically :-).

While we were doing this, I noticed a strange effect.  Rectangular pieces of
windows were occasionally left lying about the root window as we moved windows
about.  This happened several times in only a couple minutes of playing.  The
pieces would disappear if another window was moved over them but I thought the
left over pieces quite obnoxious.  It also suprised me since I have never seen
anything like it on other X displays on Suns, HPs, NCD's, etc.  Is this
isolated or have others noticed similar effects?

I typically use MIT X11R5 with tvtwm on Suns rather than Openlook which was
what the demo machine was running.  Is the problem related to Openlook?

BTW, I thought the SPARCclassic color display quality was quite nice and the
window movement was fast.

--
   John C. Schultz   +1 (612) 733-4047   schultz@halley.serc.3m.com
   How to include the taste of Glendronach in a multi-media system?
From: kpl@ll.mit.edu ( Kevin Lawton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: 10BaseT/thin-net & 10BaseT/AUI adapters for SPARC 10
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:35:49 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Originator: kpl@ll.mit.edu ( Kevin Lawton)

For those of you who need to connect your SPARC 10 to existing
thin/thick-nets,

The SunExpress catalog offers both a 10BaseT/Thinnet converter
($275), and a 10BaseT/AUI converter ($195).

These units are designed to convert workstations with only 10BaseT
ports, like the SPARC 10.

please call SunExpress for more info:

800-USE-SUNX
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
Subject: Re: Is Sparc out of Gas?
Date: 20 Nov 92 19:24:05 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>  If it is
>  "honest" data, then it shows that SUN's best effort with the SPARC falls
>  far short in performance per processor when compared with DEC's best first-
>  generation ALPHA effort.  Because of that, I don't buy SUN's proposition 
>  that the SPARC is equal to other RISC processors on the market.

I don't yet see any evidence that SPARC has an *architectural* problem.
I see evidence that *Sun's* (not "SUN's", please) best effort with SPARC
has a problem; however, they're not the only people who're designing
next-generation SPARC processors.  (I.e., don't mistake what may have
been a bad *implementation* choice for a bad *architectural* choice.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: raj@cup.hp.com (Rick Jones)
Subject: Re: SPARC market share
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:52:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

If the article was comparing *companies* then not including other
SPARC vendors was not sloppy.

If the article was trying to talk about chip architectures, then it
was indeed being sloppy...

context, the key to it all ;-)

rick jones

Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: gulik@rtsg.mot.com (Gregory Gulik)
Subject: Re: 16" colour or 19" grayscale?
Organization: Motorola, Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:48:03 GMT

In article <*261Hctfza@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>
>grayscale.  DEFINATELY grayscale.  16" is just barely usable IMHO in
>an environment like X/OpenWindows.

Have you ever used grayscale?
I have a mono Sun-3 and a grayscale NeXT on my desk, and I'm
so sick of black, white and gray that I just bought a color
monitor for my sun at home!

-greg

-- 

gulik@rtsg.mot.com  (Gregory Gulik)  [NeXT]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.hardware
From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Subject: Re: How does the new 2000+MIP Sun server compare against a Cray/XMP?
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:26:37 GMT

cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson) writes:

>I've heard that it's definately reached beyond 8 processors and worked.
>I must admit though, I don't know how much credence to place on
>"working in the lab" statements.

They have published benchmark results of a 20 processor SPARCCenter
running DP Linpack 1000x1000 in a single, parallelised process.

So I assume they have it well enough to run benchmarks on it.

The results are published in "SPARCcenter and SPARCserver Performance Brief",
Nov 1992.  (see comp.arch, ``Parallelised SPECfp92 on the SPARCcenter 2000''
  in <1e895hINNm9u@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> for a summary)

Casper