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From: v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Free Agents
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:11:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov14.072121.19761@icf.hrb.com>, mjk@icf.hrb.com (Michael J. Kelley) writes...
>In article <1992Nov11.195839.1@wharton.upenn.edu>, yasin18@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>> Could someone post the list of players who will become freeagents 
>> at the end of the season???
>> Thanks
>> 
> 
>Maybe the entire NFL:) Thanks to Keith Jackson and Co.
> 
            Last count had 300 + free agents come January!!!
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From: jaeastman@anl.gov (Jeff Eastman)
Subject: Jones status??
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:33:38 GMT

Does anyone know if Brent Jones of SF is expected to play Sunday? I heard
he
was injured last week against NO.

_______________
Jeff Eastman
jaeastman@anl.gov
_______________
From: wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: BILLS WIN!!!!
Date: 17 Nov 92 06:04:19 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFF!!!!!!

Bills 26, Fish 20

Just got done hearing a dolfan complain about the officiating... there were
calls BOTH ways close enough that I wouldn't want to have to make the call!
But, a minor reality check: IT'S OVER!! There is nothing you can do about 
it!!

From what I saw, the game was a tale of 2 halves (give or take Buffalo 
getting back into the game just before halftime.  A couple of bonehead
Dolphin mistakes (defensive and special teams penalties) and the Keith 
Jackson deflection that was picked off appeared to make the difference.
But it's the best teams that take advantage of such things...

An anti-woof word to the dolfans that are no longer posting (result of 
THE BET II):  Your team is tough and another run-in may be down the 
road (playoffs)...  I admire your spunk in taking THE BET II; it's more 
spunk than I had as a newcomer to the Net.  If you wish, rebuttals can be 
handled thru e-mail, though I'm sure they will show up in other 
dolfans' woof/bitch&moan posts.

Best of luck to the Dolphins the rest of the year (as long as their 
record is no better than Buffalo's) and maybe we'll see you in the 
playoffs...

GO BILLS!!! Methinks the third time is the charm!

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From: gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi)
Subject: Miami-Buffalo partial score
Organization: Vanderbilt University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:27:57 GMT

With a few seconds to half time Miami is leading Buffalo 17-13.
Please post the final score when it becomes available.

Cheers,
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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Rams RAM it up/down (was: Re: Cowboys Meal Menu)
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov16.162036.5825@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John 
	P. Gloria) writes...

>The Rams R A M the ball up the 'Boz's ass and they R A M it down
>the 'Boz's throat. YES! Thank you FOOTBALL GODS!  Thank you
>Jim Everett! So what was all the bullshit from certain 'Boz
>fans that they were going to have lunch, dinner, etc., of
>the Lambs. Yeah, right! It seems the Lambs ate the 'Boz
>for lunch and then licked their chops. :-) Message to certain
>'Boz's fans: Up yours you dumb fucks. The FOOTBALL GODS have
>spoken, Re: FINAL SCORES

The Boz...didn't he retire?

Seahawks out $11 million...sheesh...

>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
>I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck

					---Chet Zeshonski
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE BET III
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov16.235623.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, 
	f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes...
>>Last week, on the heels of a dominant NFC performance, I wrote:
> 
>> In looking at NFL_1992 Scoreboard's ranking of teams, I was struck by
>> the fact that 4 of the teams in the Top 10 were from the NFC East.
>> In fact, 7 out of the Top 10 were in the NFC, indicating that at least one
>> of the top 10 teams in the league will not even make it to the playoffs,
>> whereas AFC stragglers like Cleveland and Kansas City will likely get
>> playoff berths.

In fact, let me try and point out some things here which you may have missed:

NFL_1992 is no more or less arbitrary than any other ranking system, but you
have to be able to see just that--it is *NOT* written dogma.

My "Top 10," as I see them (in no particular order for the time being):

NFC:  Dallas, Minnesota, San Francisco, New Orleans
AFC:  Buffalo, Miami, Houston, Pittsburgh, Denver, Kansas City

I will post reasons for this later, so please don't bother to flame me now, as
I repeat:  this is all *arbitrary*.  I accept that.

Point number two:  "straggler" KC has snuffed the Eagles *AND* Redskins this
year.

>Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
>f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."
> 
>"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
>	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
>"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
>	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's

"The only thing backlash ever created--through all history--was more backlash."
					---Chet Zeshonski
From: blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF)
Subject: Week Twelve
Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:11:43 GMT


Just a view un-biased comments (since I didn't get to watch Dallas
beat the Cards):

- Marino is really *really* good, maybe too good.  The Dolphins have
definitely gone away from their early season, more balanced approach
to their offense.  I don't think they are going to get a long way
unless Higgs and Humphrey prove they can run the ball consistently.

- Kelly Stouffer is really, really bad.  I pity Seahawk fans - not
because of the team's record, but because they don't have a chance
with him as QB (hell, I know everyone is injured, but sign someone
else!)

- Todd Christensen and Randy Cross are living examples of why former
players - in general - make poor color men.

- SF and Philly this coming week - Philly may, in fact, do Dallas a
big favor on Sunday ...



And now a big beef:  I'm in the Boston area, and sorry NE fans, 7-16,
102 yards is not the second coming of Montana, despite what Shaughnessy
and the other idiot sportswriters in the Boston area would have you
believe.  The guy beat the Colts and the Jets - big deal.  The gripe
here is that Millen may come back next week, and team policy states
that a starter cannot lose his job due to injury.  Of course, Millen
lost all of his starts this year, and Zolak has won all of his.  

It doesn't  matter - what's the point of having a policy if you aren't
going to enforce it?  Just ask Handley in NY.  Shaughnessy's big gripe
is that "it's what the fans want to see."  2 points against this -
first, what the fans want is a winning team, not a particular player.
Secondly, what do the fans know?  They aren't running the team - fans
in general have a particularly poor idea of what is actually going on
behind the scenes.  I actually hope that Zolak does get to start next
week and Atlanta proceeds to blow NE out of the water.  Please don't
get me wrong - I want NE to win (in general); however, I would love
to have something to shut the sportswriters up.  Are they this painful
in every city?  They didn't seem to be when I was growing up in
Dallas, but SF and now here - geez.  They're more short-sighted than
the stock market.

With the QB controversy, the Celtics sucking, the Bruins mediocre
play, and the Eric Wedge media-fabricated "fiasco", it's going to be a
looooong winter for Boston-area sports fans.


Mark
Goooooo Dallas...

.... and can someone please tell me why a 11-0 team is ranked below a
9-1 team?
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From: lowery@bnr.ca (Gary Lowery)
Subject: Re: DALLAS LOSES!!! YES!!!
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:38:02 GMT

In article <97782@netnews.upenn.edu> nlatif@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif) writes:
>YES!!!!  What a game??  Cant believe that I stayed until the game's over just
>watch the Cowgirls LOSE!!! Just made my day brighter after the eagles game.
>Did the Giants lose too??  If they did, that means that all NFC east teams 
>lost this week. 
>
>GO EAGLES!!!
>
>Azli.
>
>
Hey, it made my day.  What made it even sweeter was that now the 49ers 
control their own destiny with home field advantage in the play-offs.
Got to love it.  Settle down boy fans.
From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE REAL MIDSEASON PRO BOWL SELECTIONS-------AFC
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:54:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <4058@ceylon.gte.com>, chf0@roger.gte.com (Curtis Fennell) writes...
>In article <1992Nov13.183432.3664@ncsu.edu> jimarcey@eos.ncsu.edu (JOEL IAN MARCEY) writes:
>>
>>1992 Midseason Pro Bowl - AFC
> 
>You forgot:
> 
>TIGHT ENDS:
> 
>1. Keith Jackson (Dolphins) --- Averaging one TD per game.
>2. Eric Green (Steelers) --- But drug problems???
> 
>>OFFENSIVE LINE
>>should use a team becasue the know how to work well together..
>>
>>1. Miami Dolphins -----Marino rarely gets sacked
> 
>I don't think so.  The 'Phins are my team, but except for the Colts,
>they haven't really been opening the running holes.

What about Buffalo's offensive line.
Miami's OL allowed four sacks on Monday Night.
Buffalo's OL allowed none.
Bills offfensive 2 nd in league, 2 nd in scoring.

> 
>>2. Pittsburgh Steelers -----If Barry Foster is leading rusher......
> 
>I think maybe the Steelers are the best.  Nope
> 
>>LINEBACKERS
>>1. Cornelius Bennet (Bills) ---- Great speed...good against the run
>>2. Derrick Thomas (Chiefs) ----- 10 1/2 sacks....enough said
>>3. Junior Seau (Browns) -----comes from anywhere on field to get you
> 
>You forgot:
> 
>1. John Offerdahl (Dolphins) -----  Marv Levy said that he hurt the
>Bills more than any other Dolphin defensive player
>2. Bryan Cox (Dolphins) -----  10 sacks, 1 int.... enough said.

    What about Daryl(sp) Talley?  Most consistent LB in league.

>>b. place kicker 
>>   Nick Lowery (Chiefs) ----superbly accurate

     And superbly old.  

>Well, maybe, but I also like
>a. Pete Stoyanovich (Dolphins) ---- Hasn't missed a field goal inside
>the 50 all year and has the most points of any kicker.

except a 35 yarder monday night.  b) Steve Christie

>>Buffalo Bills #1

no arguments here. Buffalo (8-2) tied for best record
key wins over San Francisco, Miami, Pittsburgh

Bruce, a Bills fan.
From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Aikman-He's no Elway
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:08:22 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <Ef2hDli00iUzM72Y1Q@andrew.cmu.edu> kt25+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kenon Warren Tutein) writes:
>A-yo. You can mentioned the 33 times Elway didn't win, but what about
>the 23 or so times he did win.

Another way of saying this is that in order to come from behind, you have
to *be* behind.  The Rams game was the first time this season that the
Cowboys have been behind, late in the game, with a reasonable chance to
win.  Aikman didn't come through, but he came as close as you can come --
two shots in the end zone, from 14 yards out.  Besides, on the second
throw, I'm not entirely sure that it was Aikman's fault -- Martin (who the
throw was to) seemed to pull up after the ball was thrown.  And the
first miss was just good defense by the Rams.

Aikman just hasn't had very many oppotunities over his four year career
to show his come-from-behind ability.

Daniel Welch
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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:54:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.173014.17735@sarah.albany.edu> jim@thor.albany.edu (SCHLEMMER JAMES A) writes:

>In article <1992Nov15.190835.18444@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>>So what does this tell us?  That in general, the NFC playoffs are at
>>least as even as the Big Dance.  From this I construe that there are

>You would seem to be infering that:
>
>A beats B by n points
>A beats C by m points
>
>n < m
>
>thus, B is better than C
>
>[...]
>
>Comparing teams by how they did against a mutual foe is not very useful.

Certainly not on an isolated basis.  But when you've got the SB wipeouts
that we've had, and relatively even NFC games, for over a decade, a
trend seems to emerge.

And Mr. Lor brought up a good point:  the NFC champion has usually been
the team with the best seasonal record, implying home-field advantage
for the playoffs.  That, along with the fact that the Big Dance is played
(usually) on neutral sites, makes the numbers even more significant.

>I'm not sure logic has any place in football ;-)

That's for sure.  Look at yesterday's results for proof.
-- 
Michael Zimmers                                    |  Home:  408 996 1984
SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
Software Solutions for Open Systems                |  Data:  408 996 1974
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:54:39 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Top players in total yards from scrimmage

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 19-Nov-92 Top players in
total yards .. Michael Meskes@ulysses.i (928)

> Here they are again, the best 12 players in total yards from scrimmage:

>  Name			Games Played 	Total Yards	TD
> Thurman Thomas			10	1290		9
> Barry Foster			10	1258		5

Hm. Well, since Thomas does quite a bit of receiving and he only leads Foster
by 48 yards, I guess Foster is the Rushing leader in the NFL, eh?

--Vernon.
From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Pacific NW: Football Hell
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:40:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov16.004024.13358
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu

I know I'll get flamed for something in here, but the frustration
has finally gotten to me, and I have to get this off my chest.  
I also know that this post isn't going to change anything, but
I don't care.  I'm going to say it anyway.
(No need to read further if you're a Seahawks fan).

Once again, we in Washington were denied a very good matchup (Oilers-
Vikings) so that we could see that oh-so-critical Seahawks game.
Week after week we lose one network time-slot to this team.  We lose
an entire game!  

I just have one question: does anyone watch these games?  And one 
follow-up: If so, why?   

I know, I know, I'm not a Seahawks fan, so of course they're going to
seem less important to me, but again, I'm just letting off some steam
here... so before you get the flame-throwers ready, don't take everything
in this post too seriously... much of it is just the crazy ranting of a
desperate Vikings fan who has been screwed out of too many Vikings games
over the years by network home-team commitments.  That said, I'll continue.

Here's an idea.  How about we build into the TV contracts a clause that 
says home-team viewing commitment ceases after a team has been determined
to meet the following criteria:

        1. They suck really, really bad.
        2. They're not only bad, but their bad AND boring.

Bingo!  I think we've got a winner.  How many points have the Seahawks
scored again this year?  I didn't even look at today's game with the 
Raiders, but I'd be willing to bet they had, oh, maybe zero, three, six,
something like that.

Now for a complaint that really should be taken seriously... the rule
that says that they must switch to your home team's game before the
opening kickoff when they are on the road, regardless of the status of
the game you are already watching.  We could be watching the most exciting
final minute of a game ever played, but if the Seahawks (or anyone, I'm
just going to pick on them here since they're the most frustrating example)
are playing on the road, forget it, you aren't going to see the great finish
to that game you've been waiting all season to watch.  No, no, you're going
to see the 5-minute pregame of the Hawks game with Charlie and Todd.  The
pregame!!!  They'll switch you away from a fantastic finish after 3 hours
of football for a stinking pregame!

Aaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh!

OK, I'm calming down now.  And I'm leaving.  I rarely go off the deep
end like this, so I hope you'll all forgive me this time.

Jim
Go Vikings, Northstars, Cougars! 
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: JGH computer predictions
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 17 NOV 92 16:34:32    

Week 12:

Packers       at Bears         4 
Falcons       at Bills         7 
Browns        at Vikings       9 
Lions         at Bengals       1 
Oilers        at Dolphins      3 
Colts         at Steelers      8 
Eagles        at Giants       -2 
Jets          at Patriots      1 
Cowboys       at Cardinals    -5 
Broncos       at Raiders       1 
49ers         at Rams         -2 
Buccaneers    at Chargers      5 
Chiefs        at Seahawks     -6 
Redskins      at Saints        5 

Last week:  8-6   (9-4-1 against the spread)

Cumulative: 99-41 (70.7%)

Eagles       24 Packers      27   -6 -
Bengals      14 Jets         17    3 +
Lions        14 Steelers     17    4 +
Oilers       17 Vikings      13    7 -
Patriots     37 Colts        34    6 -
Cardinals    17 Falcons      20    3 +
Chargers     14 Browns       13    3 -
Redskins     16 Chiefs       35    2 +
Rams         27 Cowboys      23   11 -
Bears        17 Buccaneers   20    1 +
Saints       20 49ers        21    3 +
Seahawks      3 Raiders      20    8 +
Giants       13 Broncos      27    4 +
Bills        26 Dolphins     20    3 -

JGH

"There are three things that are important to every man in this room.  
 His religion, his family, and the Green Bay Packers, in that order"
                   - Vince Lombardi as quoted by Jerry Kramer
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC EAST SHUT OUT 0-5 THIS WEEK, BABY!!
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1e7dvvINNg08@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes...
>In article <1992Nov16.040149.18525@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL  
>EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   What?? The whole NFC East lost today?? Starting a trend?? hmm?? :)
>>   I love it!!!! That's a good question.. Who has the best football team now??
> 
>To be the best team now, it would be neccessary to beat a top team like, oh I  
>don't know, maybe the New Orleans Saints.  Of course, just to make sure, it  
>would be neccessary to beat them twice.  :)
> 
>I wonder who that could be. :)

I wonder who beat this supposed "best team"...in their own park...

I wonder who *that* could be...:)

> 
>----------------
>Go Niners!
>Go Elway!
> 
>Barry Trottier
>e-mail:  trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

BUFFALO BILLS #1

					---Chet Zeshonski
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: PEOPLE ON AIKMAN's BACK
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:20:15 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Nov23.200138.16884@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud) writes:
>
>What the heck happened here?  Since I don't feel like typing all the
>thoughtful comments that were obviously sabotaged by someone :-), I guess
>I'll just summarize what I said:
>
>Basically,
>               1) Troy Aikman hasn't proven he can handle clutch situations
>               2) IMHO Over half the quarterbacks given Dallas' OL and WR 
>                    coul put up the AVERAGE numbers that Troy has
>               3) Emmitt Smith takes away from his yardage, but his running
>                    threat makes the passing game easier.
>
>The playoffs should be a good test for him.
>
>Paul

Sounds like a pretty accurate summation of what most non-Dallas fans are
saying. I agree, I think Smith, the recieving corp, and the linemen are
very good. Smith is Awesome. But to date, I think Aikman is average. Perhaps,
he is young, but then again, hasn't he been a starter now for 4 years?
By now, he should be a proven quantity. Still, he seems stuck in mediocraty.

Looking forward to seeing how he does in the playoffs.


Tom




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From: hrad@ellis.uchicago.edu (Vince Hradil)
Subject: Re: Refs Calls (+ attention Dave Mikesell)
Reply-To: hrad@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:07:52 GMT

In article <1736@niktow.canisius.edu> bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle) writes:
>
>Well, a comment about that, with this hypothetical situation:
>
>Say a receiver catches the ball at the 10 yard line.  He runs for the corner
>of the endzone.  At approx. the 1/2" yard line, he get's knocked out of
>bounds, but has never physically made contact with out of bounds.  (I.e. he's
>still in mid-air, floating if you will.)  Can he still score a touchdown, if
>he sneaks the ball inside the cone?  (it's a great trick)..
>

Yes.

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