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From: presto@chopin.udel.edu (Jason Y Nocks)
Subject: Re: On discussing how tricks are done
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 05:35:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.051950.10917@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.211325.15503@husc3.harvard.edu> alvalent@husc9.harvard.edu (Alvin Valentine) writes:
>>
>>I saw Jeff McBride back palming decks of cards and producing them one at
>>a time.  One at a bloody time.  Then fans, then more fans.  He was AWESOME.
>>It was great knowing what he was doing and how (or at least going under
>>the assumption that he was back palming, due to the maneuvering of his
>>hands through textbook back palm angles), because I didn't sit there and
>>think, "Neat, but he must have used mirrors or trick cards." Instead I was
>>flabbergasted by the man's dexterity and the # of hours of practice that
>>he must have put in to do that one effect.
>
>Jeff McBride was the featured performer at the Columbus Magifest
>last year, and got a standing ovation.   The next day he was
>wandering through the crowd like "just folks."  Nice guy.  Very
>skilled.
>
>Lots and lots and lots of practice is obvious.   His entire act was
>with absolutely no patter; no words but lots of music.  And a
>gazillion faces/face masks.  Unique act.   If you get a chance
>to catch him, do so.
>-- 

There is a difference between awe at a performer's technical skill and watching
a magician perform "Real Magic." Even though most of us know that it's not Real
Magic, magic is at its best when it feels as if it truly is real. I recommend
Michael Ammar's book, "The Magic of Michael Ammar" (suiting title, no?). 
Particulary on this topic, read 'Have No Mercy', one of his philosophical essays
in the book. Masterful manipulation is only a weapon to use against the
audience. You, the magician, are at war with the audience. You must do
everything you possibly can to try to convince the audience that you are doing
"real magic." As a magician, particularly if you know the sleight someone is
performing (the pass, a front-back card palm, etc.), try to understand that awe
for ability has little to do with the goals of magic (IMHO). Yes, after spending
years trying to perfect certain sleights I am awed at watching others perform
these sleights flawlessly, but it is not magic until you reach the critical mass
where it seems like true magic, not just amazing dexterity. If you don't believe
me, answer this question: Are jugglers magicians? They perform feats of
tremendous dexterity that the common person generally cannot. Sorry to babble on
like this, but I would love for every magician to be absolutely amazing so that
I rarely run into the person who says that magic is not entertaining (no, I do
not believe that I always acheive this state of "real magic", but darned if I
don't try). Thanks for the patience :)
Magically,
-Jason Nocks
-- 
| presto@brahms.udel.edu       | A senior E.E. at the U of D with a side order
| presto@freezer.cns.udel.edu  | of stage and close-up magic. The views
| nocks@snow-white.ee.udel.edu | expressed are exclusively my own (etc).
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Torn/restored newspaper -- also, "how does DC do the tricks"
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:39:25 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <27652@twics.co.jp> joji@twics.co.jp writes:
>Blabber mouth.
>I suppose you're going to tell us how he made the Statue of 
>Liberty disappear too.  

  Black art?

>Well guess what buddy, I don't want 
>to know.  I am hereby leaving this newsgroup.   ...

  Phew - then you'll never know if my guess was right.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
From: DKelley@bunny.gte.com (Dawn Kelley)
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: RE:  Magic in the Movies
Date: 8 Sep 92 20:33:19 GMT




Organization: GTEL


Could someone please post an updated version of the Magic in the Movies 
list.  A good friend
who is a magic fan would like a copy.  Thanks in advance.


Dawn

Dawn Kelley
GTE Labs
DKelley@bunny.gte.com
From: knepley@CS.ColoState.EDU (Ranseus (Jim Knepley))
Newsgroups: alt.magic
Subject: Re: Copperfield Explained
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:11:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <Bu1BAC.Lz2@csn.org> van@teal.csn.org (Claude W. Van Horn) writes:
>How did he walk through walls, fly, and all that other stuff??  Easy!
>
>           it's Magic!!

Oh please, it is not, there are perfectly rational explanations for every
one of his effects.  For instance:

When he walked through the great wall of china, he had a jackhammer concealed
in his clothing.

He used magnets to fly (and every computer in the city started getting
disk read errors about that time too).

All that other stuff...
He shrinks down a band and puts them in those box-like things that music
comes out of (I think he uses the same method for shrinking people as the
head-hunters).
He has a fake body that he can attach his head to that has various openings
for people to go through.  His assistants have very much the same setup.

You believe me, and these are not the 'droids you're looking for...

Jim
(the sarcastic)

-- 
**** knepley@cs.colostate.edu ****************** Boycott Microsoft ****
 Jim Knepley           Magician, programmer, computer geek.
   (Ranseus)    Proud user of Clinton condoms.  Scented like Flowers.
*********** CTHULHU IN '92! -- Why vote for the LESSER evil? **********
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler)
Subject: DC and Faith
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 05:06:09 GMT


   A question from a non-magician (but who loves a good show):
   First, an anecdote: During the 1940s, one of he most popular radion
shows was edgar Bergen and Charile McCarthy.  I know people had sen them
lives; but it still strikes me as a real act of faith to listen to a
ventriloquist act on radio!
  OK, now I'm watching David Copperfield on TV. He flies, he appears on
a motorcycle inside a box, etc. I'm amazed -- until I think,
"Waitaminute! This is TV, and this is the age of special effects.  How
do I know all these great illusions weren't just done in the editing
room?"
  I've never seen DC's live show; so how could I (or anyone else in my
position) be sure that the TV show wasn't just special video effects --
and rather ordinary ones at that, given *Terminator II* quality effects
we can see elsewhere?
  Sorry if this sounds naive; but remember, I'm not a magician.
 
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: presto@chopin.udel.edu (Jason Y Nocks)
Subject: Re: THE NON-PSYCHIC PSYCHIC SUPERSHOW!!
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: alt
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:17:23 GMT

Not so sure if this is really the wrong newsgroup. There have been numerous
magicians who specialize in the area of mentalism and psychic phenomena (wow,
I hope I spelled everything correctly, engineers aren't exactly known for
spelling). The title did say for non-psychics, which might imply people who
don't really believe in, but might be interested in performing. Things that
make you go hmm...
later,
-Jason
(Presto)
-- 
| presto@brahms.udel.edu       | A senior E.E. at the U of D with a side order
| presto@freezer.cns.udel.edu  | of stage and close-up magic. The views
| nocks@snow-white.ee.udel.edu | expressed are exclusively my own (etc).
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 19:17:55 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: Torn/restored newspaper -- also, "how does DC do the tricks"
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Keywords: 

rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.143108.27419@advtech.uswest.com>
>ron@eatdust.uswest.com (Ron Schweikert) writes: 
>[...]
>>
>>That being said, just *how does* DC get air pumps powerful enough under the
>>stage to lift him up like the air hockey game!?  :-) :-) :-) 
>
>Ron - he doesn't.  I'm not sure this was a serious suggestion, but
>I'll treat it as if it were.  If he used the Bournoulli (sp?) effect
>(principle of science, not magic), his hair would fly all over the
>place, and it would be a real hassle when he went into the box.

Well, as for the hair, do you *really* think that Copperfield's
perfectly done hair isn't held in place by *something*?  I'd bet he
could have stood in hurricane Andrew and not messed up his hair.

;^)

Geoff

-- 
Geoff Allen          \  Why is it that no one ever admits to watching Hee Haw
uunet!pmafire!geoff   \  but they all know the words to ``Where, Oh Where,
geoff@pmafire.inel.gov \  Are You Tonight?''
Newsgroups: alt.magic
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: On discussing how tricks are done
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:19:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.211325.15503@husc3.harvard.edu> alvalent@husc9.harvard.edu (Alvin Valentine) writes:
>
>I saw Jeff McBride back palming decks of cards and producing them one at
>a time.  One at a bloody time.  Then fans, then more fans.  He was AWESOME.
>It was great knowing what he was doing and how (or at least going under
>the assumption that he was back palming, due to the maneuvering of his
>hands through textbook back palm angles), because I didn't sit there and
>think, "Neat, but he must have used mirrors or trick cards." Instead I was
>flabbergasted by the man's dexterity and the # of hours of practice that
>he must have put in to do that one effect.

Jeff McBride was the featured performer at the Columbus Magifest
last year, and got a standing ovation.   The next day he was
wandering through the crowd like "just folks."  Nice guy.  Very
skilled.

Lots and lots and lots of practice is obvious.   His entire act was
with absolutely no patter; no words but lots of music.  And a
gazillion faces/face masks.  Unique act.   If you get a chance
to catch him, do so.
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: You are being watched
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:46:59 GMT

The government monitors Internet.

All your names and addresses are being recorded.

Anyone who uses alt.conspiracy will be investigated by the FBI.

You have been warned.


Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak)
Subject: JFK, Oswald and Elvis
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 08:51:16 GMT

I found this in the student newspaper at Monash Uni.

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Andrew Bulhak		|  "Ha ha, I live in Australia,         |
|  sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au	|   so when Dan Quayle invokes          |
|  Monash Uni, Clayton,         |   Executive Order #11490,             |
|  Victoria, Australia          |   they won't confiscate MY 386sx!"    |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+

TEXT FOLLOWS:


Special Report: Elvis Killed JFK

  For many years, two mysteries have been puzzling conspiratologists; the
enigma of the Kennedy assassination and the question of whether Rock and Roll
vocalist Elvis Presley is dead or alive. If you look at each issue separately,
there are no solutions. However, if you put both cases together, the answer
becomes obvious.
  On November 15, 1963, Elvis Presley and Lee Harvey Oswald, both FBI agents, 
swapped places. Elvis was used in a "black" operation to assassinate Kennedy,
who was becoming a thorn in the side of a group of Pentagon hawks. However,
the FBI had not counted on organised crime identity Jack Ruby shooting Elvis
dead.
  The FBI then assigned Oswald to "become" Elvis Presley, whom they needed in 
crucial operations against Satanist rock bands, the Civil Rights movement and
the Church of Scientology. Oswald, who was officially "dead", assumed the
identity of Elvis, who was officially "alive", and kept up the charade for
fourteen years. During the early 1970s, he was answerable directly to
CFR/Bilderberg man and Illuminatus Primus Nixon.
  Nobody really knows for sure what happened to Oswald in 1977. One theory
says that in 1977, when "Elvis" "died", Oswald was redeployed to Iran to
help arrange the "revolution" and the subsequent hostage crisis, allowing
the Republicans to win office from Jimmy Carter. Another theory states that
Oswald was executed when the CIA found out that he was a double agent for
the Cuban secret service.
 (By now, many readers will have dismissed this story as utter nonsense;
but then again there are many people who believe that things are always
exactly as they seem, that governments are answerable to the people, that
everything in the mass media is true, that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone
madman and that the rich and powerful became that way through hard work.
The technical term for these people is "nebbishes". Fnord.).
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson)
Subject: Re: A SPECIAL NOTE
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:10:08 GMT

In <aTiiqB1w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca> al@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Haus Der Luge) writes:

> 
>CONSPIRACY ALERT - DATELINE (WINNIPEG/CANADA)
> 
>I have concluded, due to surmounting evidence and on the strength of my 
>own private research, that "Extra Crispy, Extra Tasty" Kentucky Fried 
>Chicken is, in fact, laced with trace elements of Hurion-B.

>Trace elements of this same drug appear in KFC's "E.C.E.T.".

Well, you keep talk pretty big about the "surmounting" evidence
(surmount: to get over, over the top) and your own research, but I
fail to see any proof of this posted.

Now the real story would be if you proved that Extra Tasty Crispy
chicken (which, I think, is the actual name) actually contained
CHICKEN....there would be a real scoop.

I trust that you will be bringing this evidence to the media immediately.
From: schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Part IV, Doctors Secretly Inject Cancer Cells Into Patients
Date: 14 Sep 1992 15:34:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu
Keywords: : shades of Dr. Mengele,  human medical experimentation


Who is John DiNardo?  I sent e-mail asking why this material is on s.c.j.,
and got no response.  I remember once a while back some people tried to
track down John DiNardo or at least find out whether he exists.  Can any
of our Bell Labs correspondents find out for us?

					Richard Schultz
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak)
Subject: Re: Council on Foreign Relations & Trilateral Commission
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 00:30:41 GMT

Try the Illuminatus trilogy, by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.
They mention the CFR.


+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Andrew Bulhak		|  "Ha ha, I live in Australia,         |
|  sloth@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au	|   so when Dan Quayle invokes          |
|  Monash Uni, Clayton,         |   Executive Order #11490,             |
|  Victoria, Australia          |   they won't confiscate MY 386sx!"    |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Malcolm X and the KKK
Date: 5 Sep 1992 07:41:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


 
On the basis of no particular evidence, let me register my opinion
that FBI agents operating through NOI contacts had Malcolm killed.
I think they had the capability, via their informant network,
that they had the motive, based on Malcolm's unique status as a
charismatic leader who could speak to lower class blacks, as well 
as his recent conversion to the form of Islam practiced in the east,
with its ideals of racial brotherhood. Malcolm was developing the
potential to build a movement based not on the easily manipulable
politics of racial confrontation, but rather one based on authentic
human values and universal human needs, against the power centers in
society which would mock those values and deny those needs.
 
I think The FBI were and are (at least near the top) the kind of people 
who would not hesitate to use such methods.
-Steve
From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Part III,  Doctors Secretly Inject Cancer Cells Into Patients
Keywords: shades of Dr. Mengele,  human medical experimentation
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:27:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <1992Sep10.194807.13632@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:
>
>One of the best examples of this is in terms of medical practices
>and psychiatrists' marketing of lobotomies to the American Public
>as a viable and effective treatment for mental disorders. Now once

Marketing?   Come on.  This type of surgery hasn't been done
for many years, although there probably are some patients who
would benefit from it, if it were done.  No one does it today
in this country that I know of.

>between immunological responses and cancer, back in 1954. Over a
>period of many years, three hundred patients with cancer and three

Back in 1954 it is possible that such experiments took place.
In those days there were ethical abuses that are no longer
tolerated.  I thought Null was saying this is still going on.
The worst case was a group of black men in Alabama that were
followed for years with active syphilis to study what happened
over the years to patients who were not treated.  Obviously,
as we knew well from before there was treatment, a large number
of them developed general paresis.  Experiments such as this
were done on prisoners and mental patients, also.
But what does this say about what is going on in cancer
research today?


-- 
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geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon." 
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Gemstone file
Date: 8 Sep 1992 06:32:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I saw a copy once, but didn't save it. I hope that whoever has
one could post it publically.

-Steve
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:10573 alt.revisionism:684
From: pete@uunet!ctbilbo (Pete Ritter)
Subject: TEST
Organization: Communications Technology Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:09:49 GMT

This is a test.


-- 
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* Pete Ritter    uunet!ctbilbo!pete          |    Yu no can kaikai buai na    *
* Communications Technology Corp. Dallas, Tx |    spet long makit.            *
*******************************************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Doctors Secretly Inject Cancer Cells (and everyone's freedom of speech)
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:57:16 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Keywords: a response to Schultz's veiled threats

In article <1992Sep14.175845.27153@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:

>
>In article <192bf1INN6oa@agate.berkeley.edu>, 
>   schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu! (Richard Schultz) writes:

>>Who is John DiNardo?  I sent e-mail asking why this material is on s.c.j.,
>>and got no response.  I remember once a while back some people tried to
>>track down John DiNardo or at least find out whether he exists.  Can any
>>of our Bell Labs correspondents find out for us?

>     Of course I exist. I don't answer every e-mail message that doesn't
>     deserve an answer!  Do you think you have a right to an answer to 
>     your arrogant question: "Why is this material being posted to s.c.j.?"
>     You aren't the inquisitor-general of soc.culture.jewish, and you
>     don't intimidate me at all with your veiled threat?  Why would
>     you want to get Bell Labs to find out if I exist if you don't intend
>     to threaten my right to free expression?

Well, no wonder my similar question wasn't answered.

>     The reasons for my posting this series to s.c.j. are quite obvious.
>     You are insulting the memory of many victims by trying to shut me up. 

Actually, I wondered why it wasn't crossposted to comp.sources.misc, and
to comp.sys.atari.8bit (among others).

>     I voluntarily did four and a half years in the Marine Corps, in part
>     to defend everyone's Constitutional freedoms, and I won't let your
>     childish threat scare me into relinquishing my right. 

So for the folks in alt.conspiracy, is it really true the Marines prefer
to take psychotics?  This example sure looks like it.

>     So when you get someone from Bell Labs to find out where I'm at --
>     DO something about it!  Have me punished for speaking out.
>     I've long since made contact with the American Civil Liberties Union
>     in anticipation of anyone's use of gestapo tactics against my
>     Constitutional rights.

That's right Mr DiNardo (or is that spelled DiWierdo? Anyone for
DiNerdo?) has a right to look like an idiot in any newsgroup he wants.

This looks like a job for a KILL file.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: You are being watched
Date: 6 Sep 92 08:27:55 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Michael Jenkinson writes:
> 
> Msg-ID: <mjenkins.715708019@cunews>
> Posted: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:46:59
> 
> Org.  : Carleton University
> 
> The government monitors Internet.


So?  Everyone knows this.  They have the right to monitor the Internet (well,
Usenet anyway) just the same way everyone who is reading this (or skipping
this) is "monitoring the Internet"

> 
> All your names and addresses are being recorded.


All our names and addresses are already available.  Heard of phone directories?
Actually, there are big databases out there that have most of the people in the
U.S. on them.  In an issue of Phrack, I read about one of these that is used
for legal information.  Any lawyer can access this database and find out legal
and marital statuses for most of the people in the database.  Curiously enough,
the lawyers don't talk about it too much... it's a private corporation, though,
NOT the government.

> 
> Anyone who uses alt.conspiracy will be investigated by the FBI.


Bullshit.  I use alt.conspiracy and I dare the FBI to "investigate" me.  Even
if I said "Kill Bush now" (like he's not already half-dead, the sushi-puking
moron) they wouldn't investigate me.

> 
> You have been warned.


Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Post something original for a change, OK?





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