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From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Indian???? BSA???
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:52:16 GMT
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <1491@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
>
>	I am somewhat confused...indians are American made right...BSA
>	is British or did BSA aquire indian or something...different
>	people have given me different info concerning the above...
>
>					Ryan
  You really are confused.  Indian was taken over around 1950 by
Associated Motorcycles Corp. of England.  AMC marketed Velocette,
Norton, Matchless, AJS, Royal Enfield, and others.  The Springfield,
Mass. built vertical twins (Arrow, Warrior,etc.) were discontinued in
favor of various brit machines, which were sold in Indian dealerships
next to Chiefs.  Chiefs continued to be manufactured through 1953, when
they were replaced by the Royal Enfield Meteor 700, which had "Indian"
painted on the gas tank, and was equipped with 5.00x16 tires for the
American market.
  At no time did Indian ever have a business relationship with BSA
(British Small Arms).

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| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Slip-sliding away (was Re: What would you ride...)
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:34:30 GMT

lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>>>>>> On 18 Nov 92 02:03:07 GMT, markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) said:

>Mark> Winter's approaching, time for the "how does a motorcycle turn" flame
>Mark> fest again.

>Seems appropriate since one of the ONLY times a motorcycle will rotate
>about the CG instead of the contact patch is in Winter :-)  Don't try
>this at home without lots of flat-track experience.

>Traction and vector components of force, yea, that's the ticket!

Not that it's got much to do with this thread, but we got 12-18 inches
of snow overnight, it's still coming down, and the roads haven't been
plowed yet.

That's not news, but I just heard on the radio that someone got a
speeding ticket this morning.

On a motorcycle!

I'd love to hear the rest of this story!
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Riding on ice (Was: Re: Long winter's nap)
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:17:01 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

More from the Abominable Slushman:-

Something else to watch in cold weather -

A while back the AA [add another A if west of The Pond] measured friction
coefficients of various road surfaces. Heavily salted, wet roads had alomost
identical coeffs to dry icy ones! I.e. not very much. Dry salty roads were 
similar to wet unsalted ones. I can vouch for the fact that things get 
slippery after repeated resaltings of damp roads.

So, if its damp enough to wet the salt, but not damp enough to wash it 
away - be a bit gentle with the right wrist. lso, remeber that shutting 
the throttle down suddenly cna unstick the back on ice or salt just as 
easily as opening it up!. Do EVERYTHING very smoothly. 

Advantages to crap surfaces are that your tyres go furhter, and you 
slide along the tarmac instead of sticking to it in a big red smear.

Sod the typos, editing on a machine this slow is impossible.

Cheers

Andy
From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Any info on Retro Honda Cafe Racer
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:05:13 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

LP8712A@auvm.american.edu (Leoner J. Perez) writes:

>Help! I ran across a bike a couple weeks ago that I remember seeing in shop
>a few years back that I'm really interested in. In was a Honda designed to
>look like a cafe racer. It was black with gold striping, had a single seat, and
> a longer tank with the old style knee indentations. However, it included a
>few modern upgrades, like disc brakes, which distinguish its modernity. This
>was definately not an upgrade Super Hawk, Scrambler, or other 60's Honda.
>If you know anything about this bike (i.e., years manufactured, model number,
>ect.) I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Lenny

The bike you saw was probably a Honda GB500, a "50's era Brit-bike" replica,
but with modern engine, suspension, brakes, electronics, etc.  Call around,
some are reportedly still available as hold-over units.
--
H. Marc Lewis                 |  Phone: (509) 927-5480
ISC-Bunker Ramo Corp.         |  e-mail: marcl@hela.ISC-BR.COM
22425 E. Appleway Ave.        |  or:  ...!uunet!isc-br!hela!marcl
Liberty Lake, WA 99019-9534   |  "Nature bats last..."
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Isle Of Man on TV
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:12:24 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Did anybody see the Isle Of Man report on Top gear? (BBC2)  I have it on
video.  Some of the footage was incredible, bikes going through villages at
DoD++++++++!  I liked the way they turned the roads into a big one-way system
and let the bikers go ape-shit.  I am definitely going there next year.  I
hope to bump into a few DoDers there too.  I liked it when one of the veterans
talked about lining the bike up at a post-box, going WFO and having to move 
his head aside for a moment to dodge the telegraph pole!  Wowee!


Nick (the Man-ish Biker)  MAG 73516  DoD 1069  Douglas Packet Steamer timetable


M'Lud.
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From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: HELMETS
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:57:42 GMT

In article <1eh763INNa20@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 17753@csrd.uiuc.edu, leung@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Bruce Leung) writes:
>>
>>I have to agree with Mike on this one.  Peripheral vision as defined
>>by my Webster's New World Dictionary
>
>1. Dictionary definitions are for people who can't handle reality (or
>was that drugs...)
>
>2. You (and Mike) are splitting hairs.  Whether the vision is
>peripheral or just "over there" (moving your eyes) is not the point.
>The point is that wearing a helmet compromises your vision.  To dispute
>the fact is an exercise in futility.  Put on a hemet and see (get it?)
>for yourself.
>

Can't agree with this one Ed.  The very minimal area that the helmet blocks
when I just turn my eyes is pretty useless. All I tend to see is a blur.  If I
really want to know what's happening in that region I HAVE to turn my head.
With or without a helmet that information I gain by only turning my eyes is
pretty useless. 

>Personally, I think the trade off between reduced vision and protection
>is, on balance, a positive one, but that's my choice, not my
>legislature's.

Agreed, we shouldn't have legislatures making these kind of choices for us.

******************************************************************************
Mike Serafin             serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com       Texas Instruments
DoD #0742  AMA #671922  HOG #                            Dallas, Texas
1967 Firebird 326              1982 Honda CM250C
1969 Barracuda Formula 340S    1993 H-D FLHS 
1988 Ford F250 4x4             1964 Cessna 310I (FOR SALE)
1991 Ford Escort GT
******************************************************************************


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (COBURN  NICHOLAS SCO)
Subject: Need advice from HAWK owners (late model)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:27:09 GMT


OK,

    I am thinking of adding an 88 Hawk to my wallet-destroying collection
of bikes.  If you have one, I would LOVE to hear your impressions.

Also, I see that Two Brothers has a lot of stuff for the Hawk, and people
tend to call them RC31's after they have been totally accessorised.  If
I am mistaken, please correct me.  I have always had trouble keeping up
with all of the race bikes.

Anyhow, all advice on the machine is greatly appreciated.

Nick   DoD#6425        CBR600/CBR1000

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From: tgent@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Tom Gent)
Subject: Re: Why I ride
Organization: NASA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:32:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.181720.16776@gallant.apple.com> Rob Griffiths <robg@apple.com> writes:
>
>-rob.
>Only 800 more break-in miles to go on the '93 Goofster!
      ^^^
Seems like a lot.
Does this include 200 miles you drove to the dealer to pick up the new bike?

Tom Gent
"Here, just file this under 'CS' "   -- John Milner, American Graffiti
From: bob@csbvax.uucp (Bob Palin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:46:41 GMT
Organization: Varian Chromatography Systems

Ah, a trip to Alaska, yes we should all go, oh don't start that again...

Having made a very similar trip to the one you describe though starting
in California I feel qualified to respond - not that that ever matters
round here!

I rode the trusty Battlestar 9600 miles in 6 weeks up to Alaska along
with two other riders on BMWs (R80ST and R100RS).  If I were going
again I would take my KLR650 which can be equipped with some nice
hard luggage made from camera cases and a tail pack.  This is the
perfect bike for the mixture of road surfaces you will encounter,
everything from super slab (I suppose) to mud and wet clay.  Don't
believe what you read about the Alaska highway being paved all the
way, perhaps it is officialy, but in fact long stretches are always
under construction which they do not approach half heartedly. In
addition bridges are always being washed out and long rough detours
needed.  I also highly recommend a round trip up the Dempster
highway to Inuvik, some of the most unspoilt scenery you can find.

You are correct that the CBR is not the right bike though I have ridden
my 87 on some fairly rough roads but not wet.

For those who are not familiar with the trusty Battlestar it was 
an 84 GL1200, see the cerritos archives for pre and post
motobatics pictures.  It may even still be running though it
wasn't too healthy at the ride'n feed in July.

Bob Palin, Varian, Walnut Creek, Ca (510)945-2278, AMA, FSSNOC, DoD #257
bob@varian.com     244,017 miles and counting     CBR600, ST1100, KLR650
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Subject: Re: What would you ride on a long distance trip?
Organization: Washington State University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 04:39:27 GMT

In article <Bxyvzz.EE5@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>martinn@mksol.dseg.ti.com (niels r martin) writes:
>
>>I have never had trouble riding my 78 Goldwing on gravel/dirt--of course I
>>don't drive like a crazyman either.
>
>What's the point of riding in the dirt if you _don't_ ride like a
>crazyman?
>
>(Ummm, Bill, pretend I didn't say this. :-)

I HEARD THAT!!!

Well, I'm curious.  Did you put the tale about your face plant in the
quick sand in the FAQ for the newbies.  :-)

Oh, and to the fellow who was stunned that I might suggest a PD
as an alternative to all the other suggestions that were being offered
for the ideal bike to take to Alaska....

It was a joke son, a Joke.   

Ride Free,

Bill
________________________________________________________________
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AMA #500924   DoD #00314   WMTC #0002  SR= 2.125
Yamabeemer fjgs1200pdr100 740GLE  KotV KotRR KotD #0001  :-)
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/

If life were fair, we'd all be rich and ride like Deeney^H^H^H^H^H^H Rainey.

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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Alcohol fuels
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:24:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.180925.90657@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
|datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild) writes:
|>
|> Did you see the bit on Tomorrow's World about the busses in reading that
|> are running on crop-derived fuel.  It looks to be a good way forward.
|
|        In parts of South America they've been experimenting with fuel
|made up partly from petrol and partly from (sugarcane?) alcohol, called
|Gasohol. They've been using it for a few years now with promising results.
|The decision to try this was partly to cut petrol based pollution and
|partly to cut dependency on oil improtation. Alcohol based fuels aren't
|as dirty vis a vis exhaust gasses.

Before you make any decisions based on the cleanliness of ethanol as 
motor fuel, be sure to have a look at the lifetime energy costs of the
technology.  In the midwest US, fuel-ethanol comes from fermenting corn 
syrup (same stuff as they put in Coca-Cola over here).  Corn takes plenty
of energy to grow, transport to the fermentation plant(no pipelines, it
goes by truck and train), and plenty of energy for cooking, fermentation,
and distillation.  And don't forget that modern mass farming methods 
are depleting and eroding the soil with every season, and introducing a 
lot of nasty chemicals into the water table.

Like most things, the use of ethanol in the US is wrapped up in politics,
with the government paying a subsidy to farmers for growing "fuel crops",
and subsidies to the processors, making them rich, and artificially
lowering the lifetime monetary cost of the fuel below that which would
be reflected by the production process.  Then they say it's "cleaner
burning".

I'm not saying ethanol's actually any dirtier in the long run than 
Dino-fuel, but it's not a panacea, nor is it a truly renewable
resource.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |   -- Evo Woman
From: estrayer@netcom.com (Eric Strayer)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Any info on Retro Honda Cafe Racer
Date: 24 Nov 92 03:56:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis) writes:

>LP8712A@auvm.american.edu (Leoner J. Perez) writes:

>>Help! I ran across a bike a couple weeks ago that I remember seeing in shop
>>a few years back that I'm really interested in. In was a Honda designed to
>>look like a cafe racer. It was black with gold striping, had a single seat, and
>> a longer tank with the old style knee indentations. However, it included a
>>few modern upgrades, like disc brakes, which distinguish its modernity. This
>>was definately not an upgrade Super Hawk, Scrambler, or other 60's Honda.
>>If you know anything about this bike (i.e., years manufactured, model number,
>>ect.) I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Lenny

>The bike you saw was probably a Honda GB500, a "50's era Brit-bike" replica,
>but with modern engine, suspension, brakes, electronics, etc.  Call around,
>some are reportedly still available as hold-over units.

	GB500 is a great bike. 500cc single (thumper). I bought one last 
year. Made only in 89 and 90 (I'm told, and if the manual I got is the most
current then this is true). They didn't sell well because Honda tried
pricing the things at nearly $4K. I got mine off the showroom floor for
2700 bucks.

	It was copied after the English Velocette. Now I'd sure like
to see some pix of the Velocette. Musta beena hummer! Seems that 
anywhere I go with this bike I get looks of approval from a variety
of archetypes. 

	Further rumor has it that there is a lust for this bike
in Europe and that people are paying far above the list price for
them. This sounds pretty odd considering all the neat bikes in
Europe, but fact can be stranger than fiction.

	I took my little thumper on a 3K trip through the SW
United States last summer and it was great if a little rough
on my neck and shoulders (a week of physical therapy and I'm
ok again).

	GB500 is lousy for after market stuff. There is a little
so if there is a group of GB500 (also called the Touris Trophy)
riders out there, then post a story or two.

	Happy riding!




==================================
Eric Strayer estrayer@netcom.COM
AKA Running Wolf, tail in teeth, howellll
no job, no manager, no prospects, no worries.............
===========================================================
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: hard bags (was Re: GTS1000A gripe)
	<2867@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames
Date: 16 Nov 92 11:40:46

"joe" == Joe Senner <joe@mpd.tandem.com> writes:

joe> can't say that I've ever seen a new R bike with bags though. only
joe> the older ones with bags that look like fat briefcases...

I should drive my R100R over that way then... :-)   I've got the new
mondo-luggage (holds a full-face RF200 no problem)...

--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
               '92 R100R, DoD# 0378, BMWOA, AMA, ACLU, EFF, CPSR
                                "HotHead Rules!"
From: marrevola@rediris.es
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: best tires for wet
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:41:23 +0100
Organization: REDIRIS, Red Nacional de I+D

In article <1egqh9INN7eg@fido.asd.sgi.com>, spencer@hailwood.asd.sgi.com (Paul Spencer) writes:
> steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse) says:
>> 
>> Which tire is best for wet slippery paved roads?
> 
> Metzeler is the best rain tire maker, by far. 

Have you tried all tires in the world?
Metzeler is a very good tire for wet pavement but, Michelin is also very good.
I CANNOT say that Michelin is the best...

manolo@taf.fundesco.es
ZX-11
DR-600-S
DoD #1033



Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Yamaha V-Max specs
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:28:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.020109.6045@godzilla.quotron.com> rich@godzilla.quotron.com (Richard Yee) writes:
|Does anyone have any specs on the Yamaha V-Max? Hp, torque, mpg, are
|basically what I'm interested in. This brochure I have claims that it
|is the worlds most powerful stock bike (not the fastest) but doesn't give
|any detailed specs.

  Must be an out-of-date brochure.  It is one of the best quarter-mile type
bikes - long wheelbase, very powerful, sport-style handlebars, neat styling.
I *LOVE* the V-4 engine, its sound and feel - just as long as I'm not the
one maintaining the engine (the way some Harley rider's feel about all the
plastic on a sportbike, is the way I feel about working on a V-4).  However,
the V-max isn't the fastest stock bike in the quarter, nor the most powerful.
That title belongs, for the last three years, to a sportbike, with 1/4 mile
times in the low 10's (10.31, as I recall), and verified horsepower ratings
at the rear wheel (*not* crank) of around 127 bhp.

  If someone gives you specs, don't beleive them if they are from the Yamaha
sales/marketing blurbs - they were way over-inflated figures, as are most
every mfg's claims.  Try to find a _Cycle_ (RIP) dyno test of it, I vaguely
recall the real wheel horsepower to be in the 112 bhp area, and the 1/4 mile
to be in the 10.5 range at around 125-130 mph.  (I threw away all fo my old
_Cycle_'s - including the one with the V-max test - when I moved out here to
save weight, so I can't look it up).

| Also, is it shaft-driven? Thats what it looks like from
|the photos in the brochure.

  Yep.  Which is OK, since it isn't meant to be a corner-carver.
 
| I would really be interested in hearing from any
|V-Max owners on their perceptions of the bike.   

  Can't help you much, there... :-)  The V-max riders I used to know loved the
styling (definitely a subjective comment), the V4 power and feel, and the
reasonably comfortable passenger accomodations, and the power to take a
passenger without noticing (unless it is a LARGE passenger :-).  It is
limited in its handling, and is somewhat heavy (over 600 lbs), yet makes a
great cruiser and general muscle machine.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Saturday night COPS on FOX
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:46:43 GMT

serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:

>>	Anybody out there ever know anyone to die in an auto accident?
>>Did you ever consider abondoning the automobile as a transportation
>>source?  Just a thought....
>>

>This type of knee-jerk reaction has always puzzled me about any other mode of
>transportation than cars.  My theory is that car accidents have become so
>commonplace that people have become desensitized to them.  Things such as
>aircraft and motorcycle accidents tend to be sensationalized a bit more in the
>press.  Around Dallas, everytime a plane even thinks about crashing it makes
>news. Motorcycle accidents tend to make news frequently, and always with a
>byline that somehow leads the viewer/reader believe the motorcyclist  was
>somehow at fault even though he/she may not have been.  Unless the car 
>accident killed 15 people and tied up traffic for 3 days it usually 
>doesn't make the news.

	I've had four good friends die in a car accident.  As a matter
of fact, theirs was one of the few cars that has caught on fire after
the accident.  There were no survivors.  I still ride, I still drive,
and I call in potential DWI's with great relish.

	There are few thing more satisfying than being passed by a
highway patrol car doing 120mph and a few miles later seeing him on
the side of the road, throwing handcuffs on the driver of the VW that
tried to run me off the road a few miles ago.

	I now carry a CB radio as a matter of course.  It's worth it.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<  "This isn't an answer, it's a pagan dance around a midnight fire  >
<   written in intellectual runes." -- Rich Young                    >




Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: earlb@ssd.intel.com (Earl Brabandt)
Subject: Re: Rainsuit Recommendations -- Belstaff suits
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:23:19 GMT

Could anyone tell me where I can get a waxed cotton Belstaff suit?  At
least I think that's what they were called.  Yamaha imported them 
years ago, but they've stopped.  I may need to order one from the U.K.  
Possibly some netters in the U.K. might suggest a business contact 
that carries the suit?

Thanks

Earl Brabandt, earlb@ssd.intel.com
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