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From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: New UU newsgroups - Russian & Linux
Followup-To: alt.uu.future
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:22:23 GMT

(Followups directed to alt.uu.future)

The following two newsgroups have been created:

alt.uu.lang.russian.misc	Study of Russian in Usenet University

This group is an educational group aimed for learning and teaching or
Russian.  Free-form discussions are suitable.


alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions	UU Linux learning group - the Q&A column

This group is an educational group aimed for learning and teaching of
Linux by questions and answers.

//Jyrki
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future
Subject: Re: Is ANYTHING going on with uu?
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:37:23 GMT
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1993Jan5.051549.26030@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, asc7556@u.cc (Andrew Corradini/SBDC) writes:
>There seems to be very little actual content going on, despite a bunch of
>(presumably voted upon and therefore interest-heavy) newsgroups devoted to
>alt.uu.xxxxxx.

Alt groups are not voted upon, they can be created without a vote.

>Before flaming me, I neither voted nor participated to
>this point, but would be willing to contribute my somewhat meager
>abilities, skills, and knowledge if more activity were present.  Maybe you
>all feel the same way, and that's the problem....

Perhaps.

>If I am truly missing something, and there is electronic virtual academia
>festering exponentially about my head, please enlighten me.  If, however,
>UU is dying a slow, entropic death, those who originally proposed and
>enthused about it had better get their respective hindquarters in gear and
>plant the seed about which the rest of us might precipitate....

I think there's some progress, mostly in the way of
separate-but-connected-to-UU endeavours like the consultants list, the
freelore initiative and so on.  Also, according to the Usenet
readership statistics the numbers keep slowly climbing.  So while the
virtual academia is not exactly like a grand central station at least
when looked at via the Usenet groups, talking about death is a bit
premature.

>Could we please have some documents/edu-ware/practical whatever put
>on-line, prominently mentioned in the FAQ, and regularly contributed to? 
>I have a bunch of info-packets for entrepreneurial/small businesses on a
>variety of topics, under development, which I would be only too happy to
>contribute when ready -- if there's truly anything going on to make the
>effort worth it....

The nic.funet.fi ftp archive and the gopher server connected to it are
still there, and if you decide to publish your info-packets via the UU
services, I'd be happy to put them in the ftp area.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: New UU newsgroups - Russian & Linux
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:45:35 GMT

In article <jollie-070193232104@gator-mtc-1.itc.uiowa.edu>, jollie@herky (Jeffrey C. Ollie) writes:
>Kuoppala) wrote:
>> alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions	UU Linux learning group - the Q&A column

>Why such a narrowly focussed group?

Mostly for the reason that there are a lot of people interested in
Linux on Usenet, and thus the group has better chances to attract the
critical mass of people than most groups.  Also to test the
".questions" type of group.

>In regular universities, you teach
>general
>operating systems concepts.  Linux might be used as a vehicle for teaching
>those concepts, but the concepts will be applicable to VMS, 4.3 BSD,
>Multics,
>etc.  There already exists a Linux group (comp.os.linux &
>comp.os.linux.announce).  This seems to me to be unecessary duplication.  A
>group called alt.uu.comp.os, dedicated to Q&A about general operating
>systems
>theory would be more appropriate.

I hear that comp.os.linux has problems of too high a traffic volume
for the tastest of many - and many questions are asked which are
answered in the FAQ files (and other similar files), so perhaps the
overlap/duplication is not necessarily negative.

The "alt.uu.comp" hierarchy was mostly formed for "practical courses"
- topics might include learning different programming languages,
learning to use Usenet and Internet and so on.  I think the more
university-like stuff (OS theory, computer theory, cryptology and so
on) should be under something like "alt.uu.compsci" or "alt.uu.cs".

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Test
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:29:18 GMT

Something wrong?
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Is ANYTHING going on with uu?
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:31:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.051549.26030@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, asc7556@u.cc (Andrew Corradini/SBDC) writes:
>(If I am indeed utterly wrong, and have just missed lots and lots of
>fascinating signal in the noise, please flog me with a wet noodle.  If
>not, please flog the originators of this group for (pardon the
>Americanism) dropping the ball.)

Things don't happen by magic - I am the person who created the UU
groups, set up the ftp archive at nic.funet.fi & the gopher server at
otax.tky.hut.fi, wrote some initial stuff and so on, and I have tried
to make it clear from the beginning that UU is a cooperative volunteer
effort.  Anyone is encouraged to work on things like the consultants
list, the freelore project, and start similar projects - as well as
collect material and guides on how to get information from the vast
resources of Usenet, like the FAQ archives.

//Jyrki
Newsgroups: alt.uu.future
From: asc7556@u.cc.utah.edu (Andrew Corradini/SBDC)
Subject: Is ANYTHING going on with uu?
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 05:15:49 GMT

I've been checking this newsgroup since July (I suppose about a month
after the formal proposal was made), less and less frequently as time goes
by....
 
There seems to be very little actual content going on, despite a bunch of
(presumably voted upon and therefore interest-heavy) newsgroups devoted to
alt.uu.xxxxxx.  Before flaming me, I neither voted nor participated to
this point, but would be willing to contribute my somewhat meager
abilities, skills, and knowledge if more activity were present.  Maybe you
all feel the same way, and that's the problem....
 

If I am truly missing something, and there is electronic virtual academia
festering exponentially about my head, please enlighten me.  If, however,
UU is dying a slow, entropic death, those who originally proposed and
enthused about it had better get their respective hindquarters in gear and
plant the seed about which the rest of us might precipitate....
 
Could we please have some documents/edu-ware/practical whatever put
on-line, prominently mentioned in the FAQ, and regularly contributed to? 
I have a bunch of info-packets for entrepreneurial/small businesses on a
variety of topics, under development, which I would be only too happy to
contribute when ready -- if there's truly anything going on to make the
effort worth it....
 
(If I am indeed utterly wrong, and have just missed lots and lots of
fascinating signal in the noise, please flog me with a wet noodle.  If
not, please flog the originators of this group for (pardon the
Americanism) dropping the ball.)
 
Andrew S. Corradini
Director, Market Information Services
Utah Small Business Development Center

Adjunct Professor of Marketing
Westminster College

Newsgroups: alt.uu.future
From: neveu@tintin (Jean-Sebastien Neveu)
Subject: Re: Is ANYTHING going on with uu?
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:31:30 GMT

Andrew Corradini/SBDC (asc7556@u.cc.utah.edu) wrote:
: I've been checking this newsgroup since July (I suppose about a month
: after the formal proposal was made), less and less frequently as time goes
: by....
:  
: There seems to be very little actual content going on, despite a bunch of
: (presumably voted upon and therefore interest-heavy) newsgroups devoted to
: alt.uu.xxxxxx.  Before flaming me, I neither voted nor participated to
: this point, but would be willing to contribute my somewhat meager
: abilities, skills, and knowledge if more activity were present.  Maybe you
: all feel the same way, and that's the problem....
:  
: 
: If I am truly missing something, and there is electronic virtual academia
: festering exponentially about my head, please enlighten me.  If, however,
: UU is dying a slow, entropic death, those who originally proposed and
: enthused about it had better get their respective hindquarters in gear and
: plant the seed about which the rest of us might precipitate....
:  
: Could we please have some documents/edu-ware/practical whatever put
: on-line, prominently mentioned in the FAQ, and regularly contributed to? 
: I have a bunch of info-packets for entrepreneurial/small businesses on a
: variety of topics, under development, which I would be only too happy to
: contribute when ready -- if there's truly anything going on to make the
: effort worth it....
:  
: (If I am indeed utterly wrong, and have just missed lots and lots of
: fascinating signal in the noise, please flog me with a wet noodle.  If
: not, please flog the originators of this group for (pardon the
: Americanism) dropping the ball.)
:  
: Andrew S. Corradini
: Director, Market Information Services
: Utah Small Business Development Center
: 
: Adjunct Professor of Marketing
: Westminster College
: 

I agree totally.
For my part I would be very interested in participating as a student but
it looks to me like UU is actually missing its original goal as much in
the form as in the content.

Keep the faith...

JS
*:-)

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From: Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger - Manager, International NeXT User Groups)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.announce
Subject: Announcing the 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO and first Call for Exhibitors
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:43:26 GMT
Reply-To: user_groups@next.com

Announcing the 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO

What it is....

The 2nd annual gathering of the world-wide NeXT community!
	An international Developers Conference!
		An educational Users Conference!
			A NeXTSTEP product exposition!
				A global User Group Meeting!

Call 1-800-767-2336 -or- from outside North America call
(508)470-3880 or fax to (508)470-0526 for registration information.

When it is...      
   
   MAY 25-27, 1993,
       

Where it is...

   THE MOSCONE CENTER,
   SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA, USA
            

What to do....

Pass the word.  Tell your colleagues, fellow user group members,
other computer industry user group members, fellow NeXTSTEP
developers, potential developers, and friends, to schedule this date,
and stay tuned for more information!!  Please post this message to
local and community electronic bulletin boards and feel free to
publish in your user group or company newsletters.

Please send your email address to 

	user_groups@next.com

if you wish to be included on future announcements.


Once again, call to get on the postal mailing list for advanced
registration and more information about the 1993 NeXTWORLD Expo....

1-800-767-2336 -or- from outside North America call 508-470-3880 -or-
fax (508)470-0526.

_____________________________________________________________________
CALL FOR EXHIBITORS AT 1993 NeXTWORLD EXPO

Join us from May 25-27 at Moscone Center in San Francisco for the
second annual gathering of the worldwide NeXT community, and
International Developers conference, an educational Users conference,
a NeXTSTEP product exposition, and a global User Group meeting!

NeXTWORLD Expo is being co-sponsored by NeXTWORLD Magazine and
Digital Consulting, Inc. (DCI).  DCI is handling all show management
and logistics for this year's Expo.

Exhibitors please contact Matthew Schmuck or Charlie Hurth at DCI
West--
        408 280 6778 voice
        408 280 6779 fax

Exhibitor kits will be available December 28.  Space will be assigned
on a first-come, first-serve basis. (Past NeXTWORLD Expo exhibitors
will be given priority consideration for space selection through
January 10).

Calls are pouring in, and choice space is moving quickly, so don't
delay!

Expo and Conference Attendees:

To participate in the User Conference, Developer Conference, or to  
attend the Expo, call 1-800-767-2336.  International callers can fax  
inquiries to DCI at 508-470-0526. Please label all correspondence:

        Attention: NeXTWORLD Expo

and include your name, address, business name, FAX and phone numbers.



Conrad Geiger
Manager, International NeXT User Groups


Newsgroups: alt.uu.announce,alt.uu.future,news.answers
From: ederveen@athena.research.ptt.nl (Ederveen D.)
Subject: Cours Gratuit d'Esperanto (regula posxtajxo / postage re'gulier)
Summary: cours d'Esperanto par correspondance sur le re'seau
Keywords: esperanto, cours sur le re'seau
Reply-To: D.N.M.Ederveen@research.ptt.nl
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:54:40 GMT

Postage re'gulier sur le                                Regula pos^taj^o pri la
                            COURS GRATUIT D'ESPERANTO

Quoi ?                                  Kio ?
Un cours d'Espe'ranto sur le re'seau,   Reta Esperanto-kurso, havebla en ambau~
disponible en anglais et en francais.   la angla kaj la franca lingvoj. G^i
Base' sur le Cours Gratuit par Corres-  bazig^as sur la Cours Gratuit par
pondance de la Socie'te' Que'becoise    Correspondance de la Esperanto-Asocio
d'Espe'ranto. Nous espe'rons le fournir de Kebekio. Ni esperas aldoni kursojn
prochainement dans d'autres langues.    en aliaj lingvoj estonte.

Combien ?                               Kiom ?
Gratuit! 10 lec,ons.                    Senpaga! 10 lecionojn.

Comment ?                               Kiel ?
Les correcteurs du re'seau vous         Instruantoj en retlando helpos vin,
aideront, corrigeront vos exercices et  korektos viajn ekzercojn, kaj sendos al
enverront les suivants.                 vi sekvajn lecionojn.

Pourquoi ?                              Kial ?
Pour apprendre l'Espe'ranto, bien su^r! Por lerni Esperanton, kompreneble!

Qui ?                                   Kiu ?
Pour vous!                              Por vi!

Ou` ?                                   Kie ?
Envoyez-moi votre adresse e'lectronique Sendu e-pos^ton al mi (adreso: vd.
(voir plus bas) et je vous enverrai la  sube) kaj mi sendos al vi la unuan
premie`re lec,on et l'adresse de votre  lecionon, kune kun la retadreso de via
correcteur. Veuillez pre'ciser la       propra instruanto. Bonvolu indiki la
langue (Eng/Fra).                       anglan au~ la francan.

Quand ?                                 Kiam ?
Maintenant, si vous le de'sirez.        Nun, se vi volas.

Et alors ?                              Kia ?
De`s la premie`re lec,on vous pourrez   Ekde la unua leciono, vi povos skribi
e'crire en Espe'ranto et a` la fin du   en Esperanto, kaj fininte la kurson, vi
cours comprendre presque n'importe quel povos kompreni preskau~ c^iun
texte (avec un dictionnnaire) et        Esperanto-tekston, (helpe de vortaro),
e'crire des textes simples.             kaj skribi simplajn tekstojn.

J'attends votre re'ponse!               Mi atendas vian pos^taj^on!

salutations / salutojn,
Derk Ederveen                        internet: D.N.M.Ederveen@research.ptt.nl
                                               earn:  ederveen@hlsdnl5.bitnet
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Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.esperanto.misc
From: ederveen@athena.research.ptt.nl (Ederveen D.)
Subject: Free Esperanto Course (regula posxtajxo / periodic posting)
Summary: introductory Esperanto correspondence course by e-mail
Keywords: esperanto, e-mail course
Reply-To: D.N.M.Ederveen@research.ptt.nl
Organization: PTT Research, The Netherlands
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:54:58 GMT

Periodic posting about the                              Regula posxtajxo pri la
                             FREE ESPERANTO COURSE

What ?                                  Kio ?
An online Esperanto course, available   Reta Esperanto-kurso, havebla en ambaux
in both English and French. Based on    la angla kaj la franca lingvoj. Gxi
the popular Free Postal Course of the   bazigxas sur la populara Free Postal
Esperanto League for North America. We  Course de la Esperanto-Ligo de Norda
hope to add courses in other languages  Ameriko. Ni esperas aldoni kursojn en
in the future.                          aliaj lingvoj estonte.

How much ?                              Kiom ?
Free! 10 lessons.                       Senpaga! 10 lecionojn.

How ?                                   Kiel ?
Tutors in netland will help you,        Instruantoj en retlando helpos vin,
correct your exercises, and send you    korektos viajn ekzercojn, kaj sendos al
subsequent lessons.                     vi sekvajn lecionojn.

Why ?                                   Kial ?
To learn Esperanto, of course!          Por lerni Esperanton, kompreneble!

Who ?                                   Kiu ?
For you!                                Por vi!

Where ?                                 Kie ?
Send e-mail to me (address: see below)  Sendu e-posxton al mi (adreso: vd.
and I will send you the first lesson,   sube) kaj mi sendos al vi la unuan
together with the network address of    lecionon, kune kun la retadreso de via
your personal tutor. Please indicate    propra instruanto. Bonvolu indiki la
English or French.                      anglan aux la francan.

When ?                                  Kiam ?
Now, if you like.                       Nun, se vi volas.

How Good ?                              Kia ?
From the very first lesson you will be  Ekde la unua leciono, vi povos skribi
able to write in Esperanto, and upon    en Esperanto, kaj fininte la kurson, vi
completion, you will be able to         povos kompreni preskaux cxiun
understand almost every Esperanto-text  Esperanto-tekston, (helpe de vortaro),
(with the help of a dictionary), and to kaj skribi simplajn tekstojn.
write simple texts.

I await your e-mail!                    Mi atendas vian posxtajxon!

greetings / salutojn,
Derk Ederveen                        internet: D.N.M.Ederveen@research.ptt.nl
                                               earn:  ederveen@hlsdnl5.bitnet
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 09:16:48 MST
From: jensen@baloo.ee,byu.edu (Curtis Jensen)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: Re: Alexander Lipson

Who indeed...
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: ahall@library1.library.carleton.ca (Alison Hall)
Subject: Re: `|TO TAKON -)TA HI-O3rPYnnA?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:39:30 GMT

Why don't you just use one of the accepted transliteration systems?
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: scott@venus.ic.cmc.ca (Scott Stoness)
Subject: Re: `|TO TAKON -)TA HI-O3rPYnnA?
Organization: Canadian Microelectronics Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:45:22 GMT

Posting for: 

<jerry_kaidor@engtwomac.synoptics.com>

Scott Stoness:
   RE>Russian Transcription
I didn't know that there was a standard Russian transcription.  As long as for
the most part it conforms to the criteria I set out, and is easy to use.

Jerry Kaidor:
**** Russian computer people have had to put up with a lot of latin-only
hardware in the past, so they developed the koi-7 & KOI-8
standards.  "KOI" stands for "Kod Obrabotki Informacii", and the number stands
for the number of bits.  Email inside the former SU is done in KOI-8, which is
KOI-7 with the top bit set.  Unfortunately, email in the USA is largely 7-bit,
so when they send us KOI-8 stuff, the top bit gets stripped off, and it comes
through as KOI-7.  Ugly, but readable.

    Most PC email packages have the facility to convert KOI-8 to another code,
called A.V.  ( Alternatiwnyj Wariant ).  A.V. is used to display Russian
characters on PC compatibles, and there are lots of freeware drivers available
for it.  As long as you have at least EGA display hardware, you can read and
write directly in Cyrillic on your pc screen.  However, sending A.V. directly
on a 7-bit line is a no-no,
as it turns into absolute garbage when the top bit is stripped off.

    I have been corresponding with people in Russia and the Ukraine, in
Russian, using A.V. code uuencoded.  uuencode makes it into 7-bit stuff that
can get from here to there.  Then my correspondants convert it into A.V. and
enjoy it on their pcs.

              - Jerry
p.s.  Could you post this to the newsgroup for me?  I can read, but not post (
this particular group hasen't made it into the site's "active" list yet ) 
Thanks.
From: kiddyr@gallant.apple.com (Ray Kiddy)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: Transcription & such...
Summary: Unicode!
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:33:44 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.


hello -

i knowe that this is a terribly radical idea, but why dont we use
the character mapping standard that already exists, ie Unicode.

i have the specification for Version 1.0 and will upload it (after
keying it in) if there is interest.

- ray@ganymede.apple.com
From: ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: Re: Alexander Lipson
Date: 11 Jan 1993 07:39:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <SRO.93Jan11002314@media-lab.media.mit.edu> sro@media.mit.edu (Shawn O'Donnell) writes:
>The other day I was wondering how long Lipson's humor will be
>understood by studentshat he

Sovki sami nekogda ne zabudut!
A
A

-- 
Gavin Helf
UC Berkeley Political Science
Berkeley-Stanford Program in Soviet Studies
ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu
From: cb@fantod.xis.xerox.com (Christopher Bader)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: KOI-7/8
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:40:34 GMT
Organization: Xerox Imaging Systems, Inc.

I'm curious about KOI-7/8 (Kod Obrabotki Informacii).
Is this the character set that is used on Russian PC's?
If so, is it therefore considered the (perhaps de facto)
standard Russian character set?

Can any suggest a manual or other source of documentation
for this character set?

Thanks.

			--- Christopher Bader
From: avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov)
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
Subject: Re: Etova slova ili eto slovo?
Date: 11 Jan 1993 19:02:44 -0500
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

In article <1993Jan11.232648.4084@news.acns.nwu.edu> lls@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Lori Smallwood) writes:
>I don't know the cities here.
>Ya nye znayu, zdyec gorodi. 

Ya ne znayu zdeshnih gorodov.

(Note the plural).

--vadim
Newsgroups: alt.uu.lang.russian.misc
From: cb@fantod.xis.xerox.com (Christopher Bader)
Subject: cyrillic X fonts
Organization: Xerox Imaging Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:05:40 GMT

I'm looking for an X-windows screen font
for Russian.  The character set should
preferably be KOI-8, though I'm open to
other possibilites.  Any ideas?

		-- Christopher Bader