HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eric@homebase.vistachrome.com (Eric Brunson)
Subject: Re: X packages for Mac other than MacX?
Organization: Vista-Chrome Incorporated
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:38:10 GMT

werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:


> MikeSummers@cup.portal.com (Michael - Summers) writes:
>>Can anyone recommend 3rd party X packages for the Mac? I'm having 
>>problems with Apples product and would like some alternatives.


>	eXodus, but I forget the company's name ...

White Pine Software
40 Simon Street
Suite 201
Nashua, NH 03060-3043
603.886.9050

I've got it, it works pretty well.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: todd@DIALix.oz.au (Todd Hooper)
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 10:41:21 GMT

In <sdorner-101192120156@0.0.0.0> sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner) writes:

>Rumor has it Apple has decided to take the price of MacTCP through the
>roof.  I'm told that an internal use license for corporations has gone from
>$2500 *one-time* to $5000 *annually*.  Seemingly Apple would just as soon
>that no low-cost MacTCP software exist. Typical Apple policy--Free Bad,
>Expensive Good.

Well, I hadn't been on Usenet for a good six months (I moved into the
real world of Apple in the private sector) but it looks like
nothing has changed!

There is only one thing that matters to Apple Computer. Market Share. If
they don't get more of it, they won't be around in two years, regardless
of what neato MacTCP applications exist. 

To get market share, they have to drive prices down to compete with
Microsoft. They've already slashed their margins to the bone this year.
And DOS system prices are going lower every day (e.g. check out the latest
Compaq price cuts). Last time I checked, DOS boxes didn't come with TCP/IP
bundled. And Joe User in the street doesn't want to pay for Apple
developing niche software like MacTCP. So, the user of MacTCP pays.

TCP applications on the Mac probably haven't influenced sales a fraction.
I would be surprised if more than 1% of Macs are running MacTCP. And Apple
probably isn't too concerned about sales into education markets right now
since a) they are totally saturated and b) the profits involved are minimal
due to low margins. When you are selling 100 Macs into a corporation, do they
want to pay x dollars for some stuff like MacTCP which Apple literally give
away? Not likely.

I appreciate the work that people put into apps like Eudora and it's ilk, but
in cold commercial reality, Apple is just following an industry trend which
is inevitable. 

What remains to be seen is whether the MacTCP pricing (I haven't seen
anything official yet) is competitive with the competition such as
TCPort and LAN Workplace for Mac.  I suspect from the figures that it will
be. And it already has a large base of applications, so you can't deny it
must be good.

People can complain all they like, but it comes down to this. Nothing is
free. Most people who buys Macs don't want to pay for MacTCP. If you need
TCP/IP, you need to weigh up the costs and buy an appropriate solution.

Todd

(mail replies if important, I don't read this group thoroughly)
From: Jim.Redelfs@macnet.omahug.org (Jim Redelfs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: RE: Wanted: Good BBS program
Date: 14 Nov 92 17:25:28 CST
Reply-To: jim.redelfs@macnet.omahug.org
Organization: Macnet Omaha
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm

> Anyone know the name and/or distributor of a good Mac BBS program. 
> 
> It must include the following: mail, uploading, downloading,
> bulletin boards, various security levels.

Hermes.  Now at version 2.0 (soon to be 2.1), it is the BEST, TEXT-based
BBS available.
  
It is "keyware" ($75 shareware that "goes to sleep" if not paid for and
registration number entered within 30 days).
  
You can download the latest version from the official support BBS:
Olympus (310) 275-6975.
  
JR

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sdorner@qualcomm.com (Steve Dorner)
Subject: Re: Marketeers (was MacTCP license fees & Eudora)
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:17:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.033932.23482@gossip.urich.edu>,
martinher@urvax.urich.edu wrote:
> symptom is that Hosts that are DEFINITLY in the file (LIKE MOST OR
> ALL of them) are not recognized.

Without seeing the actual file, it's hard to tell.  Keep it small, for one
thing; MacTCP can't handle a big file.

> host. A 128.128.128.1    ; A commnet for the host 'host' number 128.128.128.1
> 
> The '.' after the name is probably needed if you do not want a DOMAIN
> name to be automatically suffixed.

No, you don't want the "." in the file, but you do want to type the "."
when you give a hostname to an application.

> use the 'alias' type entry for a true CANONICAL name (CNAME).

I've never seen this used in a MacTCP hosts file.  I'd take 'em out if I
were you, at least until you get a better handle on what's going on; then
experiment.

> Anybody experiencing similar problems?  It is so flaky (going and coming) 
> that I am beginning to doubt my results.

The MacTCP DNR will do that to you.  It's awful from top to bottom.

--
Steve Dorner, Qualcomm, Inc.
Why does Apple want to eliminate cheap MacTCP applications?
From: Richard.A.Damon.III@dartmouth.edu (Richard A. Damon III)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: X packages for Mac other than MacX?
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:16:13 GMT
 <1992Nov17.211428.1319@cs.tulane.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center, Lebanon, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu

You should try eXodus from White Pines.  It is available from
MacConnection, and probably other discount houses, for about $200.  I
am in the middle of doing some comparisons between this and MaxX right
now and have been very happy with eXodus.

--Rick Damon
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.os2.networking
From: rolfe@ldp.com (Rolfe Tessem)
Subject: Re: Automagic start up of TCP apps
Reply-To: rolfe@ldp.com
Organization: Lucky Duck Productions
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:47:27 GMT

In article <9211171615.AA11604@TIS.COM> tmplee@TIS.COM (Theodore Lee) writes:

(Poster is evaluating Mac and OS/2 solutions for networking/DTP -- lists
his criteria below)

> (a) power up the PC, booting starts, OS/Finder/PM/etc. get loaded

No problem on either OS.

> (b) SLIP, TCP, Telnet, ftp/NFS, mail client get loaded

No problem on OS/2 -- I'm not sure if SLIP can load automagically on the Mac.

> (c) my local SLIP server is dialed
> (d) i.d., password sent to SLIP server, SLIP mode entered

With IBM's OS/2, there is currently no opportunity to interact manually with  
the SLIP server, as you need to do if it assigns IP addresses dynamically.  
There are third parties working on this, and I would hope IBM will fix it as  
well.  Don't know how the various Mac products handle this.

> (e) telnet connection is made to the remote system; I'm logged in
> (f) ftp or NFS connection is made to the remote system; a couple of
> 	pre-defined remote directories are made part of my local desktop
> 	(home directory, one or two directories for current hot
> 	projects.) (if possible; the descriptions I have aren't
> 	clear about whether any of the available ftp packages make
> 	directories on the remote system appear on the desktop or
> 	whether they can only be accessed via a dialogue or the like.)
> (g) mail client to POP connection is made to the remote system

No problem on the Mac, no problem on OS/2, except I'm not sure about
a POP client -- all the IBM TCP/IP vendors ship SMTP clients and servers
though, so maybe you don't need POP. On the Mac, I've used NCSA Telnet,  
Intercon's NFS/Share and Steve Dorner's excellent Eudora POP client. All work  
well, and only NFS/Share is a commercial product. Intercon's TCP/Connect II  
has everything but the kitchen sink (minus NFS) in one product, and it works  
well too, although it's twitchy about memory and I can't seem to keep it from  
crashing on my Powerbook.

> So, OS/2 & Mac gurus -- how close can I come to that "ideal"
> scenario?

It sounds like the inability to negotiate your SLIP server under OS/2 is the  
major problem for that OS; with the Mac it should all be doable. Depending on  
the network you're dialing into, you can also dial in via ARA (Appletalk  
Remote Access) with the Mac and run your IP applications over Appletalk.  I  
do that all the time, and find it somewhat easier than negotiating a SLIP  
server.

Rolfe

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: ptrubey@netcom.com (Phil Trubey)
Subject: Re: Need MacWeek E-mail address!!!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:24:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.123457.36095@fourd.com> Darren_E._Tong@fourd.com writes:
>Could I be added to the list for the address???

MacWeek@zcias1.ziff.com

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: sagen@techbook.com (Milton Sagen)
Subject: Re: ara script for a prometheus modem
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:30:44 GMT

bms@pyramid.com (Bruce Schlobohm) writes:

>I'm searching for an ARA script for the "Prometheus Ultima Home Office"
>modem (V.32bis, V.42, MNP, fax, etc).  The documentation for the modem
>indicates it is different from the the "Promodem Ultima.

>I've checked sumex for possibilities, and found none.  There didn't seem
>to be anything close in the "ara-ccl-scripts.hqx" file.
>Are there other archives for ARA scripts?

An ARA script for the Ultima Home Office exists on the Prometheus BBS at
(503) 691-5199 (14.4k 8N1).  The file name is promodem.ara.
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Tualatin, OR 97062                       (503) 691-1101 (fax)
From: j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Need LaserBridge/SuperBridge Info
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:16:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: norstad.j-norstad-181192100726
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Northwestern University

I need to locate the company which makes the "LaserBridge" and
"SuperBridge" products. Could someone send me the company name and phone
number via email? Thanks.

John Norstad
Academic Computing and Network Services
Northwestern University
j-norstad@nwu.edu
From: puetter@pe.chalmers.se (Johan Puetter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Mac and MAP, MMS, TOP?
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:29:30 GMT
Reply-To: puetter@pe.chalmers.se
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

Hello world!

Has anyone heard anything about the following:
  * MAP (Manufacturing Automation Protocol), an OSI profile.
  * MMS (Manufacturing Message Specification), part of MAP.
  * TOP (Technical and Office Protocol)
for the Macintosh platform?

All three are OSI (Open Systems Interconnect) protocols.

Regards
Johan

--
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Sweden. Internet: puetter@pe.chalmers.se
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher)
Subject: Quickline vs. FAXstf
Organization: National Computer Systems, San Jose, CA  95131
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:32:59 GMT

Telebit is offering a FAX upgrade for their T3000 and WorldBlazer
modems.  They will  supposedly offer a discount on Quickline for FAX
support on the Macintosh.  Most of the articles I've seen posted here
have been about FAXstf.  Does anyone know about Quickline or have
comments about how it compares with FAXstf?

Thanks,
Chuck
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: tigger@pecan.cns.udel.edu (david faust)
Subject: Re: Why Exodus is vastly inferior to MacX
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:36:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.200623.7152@colorado.edu> men@bjerknes.colorado.edu (Matthew Newman) writes:
>When I try to drag windows with the mouse cursor, or resize them,
>or select an option in a menu, I have to wait for Exodus to catch up
>with the cursor.  (This is with the latest 4.0.4 version, by the way.)
>This does not happen with MacX.
>
>Matt Newman

I have just started to use exodus on my mac IICI and don't notice these 
problems at all. I did however find it a pain to set up. I had to endure
numerous crashes before I could get it working just right. I also had to
increase the memory partition to a hefty 6 megs to get more than 2 windows
going at the same time. I am really impressed with this product so far. I 
should temper my opinions, because I have never seen or used macx. Hopefully,
we will be getting a copy at work that I can set up and use there.
Dave
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: CSP1DWD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSP1DWD)
Subject: Re: GV PowerPort Gold & SLIP: poor performance!
Date: 22 Nov 92 22:36:13 PST

In article <lgv1m9INN108@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu>,
werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:

>        GV included an alfa release in its 2.03/4 distributions - I don't
>        know about 2.06.  I had heard that it endangers the file-system's

Yup! I am using the Powerbook tuner, it may be preventing my system from
locking up but it only improves performance marginally... I yet to see
evidence of my file system getting corrupted but then I don't do much
of anything else on my system beyond tcp/ip communications.

-- Denis
From: gotow@ansoft.com (Jon Gotow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: SLIP - Which product is best.
Date: 16 Nov 92 03:33:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ansoft.BxsHvr.3xC
Organization: Ansoft Corporation
X-Xxdate: Sun, 15 Nov 92 03:31:11 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

Re: SLIP - Which product is best.

Due to what I thought was a bug in VersaTerm SLIP, I own both MacSLIP and
VersaTerm SLIP.  Both seem to work as advertised (my bug occurs with both
- something strange about my MacTCP setup or something else that I still
can't resolve).  I prefer the VersaTerm implementation for its user
interface and the fact that I can set it as a startup application to
auto-connect to the SLIP server at work when I start up my machine.  It
allows simple, straightforward scripting, and provides you with a
terminal emulator window to fiddle with your connection when something
goes wrong.

On balance, MacSLIP offers a much more powerful scripting language,
though debugging complex scripts can take you a while.  It doesn't come
with VersaTerm's extras like the ftp host (which you can use ftpd for
anyway...), the Time Client for syncing your clock with a network server,
and, of course, VersaTerm.  As I said before, I prefer VersaTerm's
interface and don't have a need for complex scripting, so I'll continue
to use VersaTerm until I find a real need for fancy scripts.

I haven't benchmarked the two against each other - haven't had the time -
and I haven't tested MacSLIP's cslip implementation.  I know VersaTerm's
works.  The decision basically boils down to what you need, and the fact
that MacSLIP is $40 or so cheaper if all you're looking for is a SLIP
LAP.  I think if I had it to do over, I'd still buy VersaTerm (but I'll
also pay for interface - especially when I use it every day).  BTW -
Synergy's support was _great_ when I was trying to find the problem I'm
having with MacTCP.  I still haven't figured it out, but I'm convinced
it's not their problem.
________________________________________________________________________
Jon Gotow            |   "Do not free a camel of the burden of his hump;
Ansoft Corporation   |    you may be freeing him from being a camel."
gotow@ansoft.com     |                       - G. K. Chesterton
From: sam@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Samuel B Tantuico)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Modem reviews: GV,PSI,Apple,USR,etc.
Summary: article on modems?
Keywords: modems
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:50:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I'm looking for any modem reviews that were printed in any of the
mags in the past year or so.  Basically, I'd like to see how some of the
modems measure up to their competitors in terms of price, performance, 
documentation, software, etc.

If you've seen or read them I'd really like to know where the articles
were printed.  Thanks.            

-sAm


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: weil@hfglobe.intel.com (Garry A. Weil)
Subject: NCSA Telent 2.5B and SLIP
Summary: Session windows stops displaying text
Keywords: SLIP NCSA Telnet
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:10:16 GMT

I can log into any host just fine. I can also execute simple commands, ones
that do not display a lot of text ( like: echo $TERM or setenv TERM vt100 ).
When I try executing other commands maybe I get one line of output and nothing
else. The Send and Receive lights on my modem are still very busy, but nothing
in the session window???
Anyone experience this? Anyone know how to fix?
Garry
From: yjc@po.cwru.edu (Jerome Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: APPLE UNBUNDLES RETURN KEY
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: 15 Nov 1992 15:13:13 GMT
Organization: The Tofu Society of Singapore
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b61539.student.cwru.edu

In article <smwall-131192083739@hipmac1.pica.army.mil>,
smwall@pica.army.mil (Steve Wall) wrote:
> 
> Everyone knows all REAL networking is done in OSI (or whatever the
> Open Systems networking model is called). (above stated caution also
> applies)
> 
> Steve Wall

What about two cans and a string?

---
The Evil Tofu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: kenn@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Kenn Frankel)
Subject: Re: Fax software that do OCR?
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:12:04 GMT

gio@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca (Dom Giovannangeli) writes:

>Is there any fax program that can translate an incoming document (bitmap) 
>to letters that a word processor can understand?

>I think most good fax software (like that for the Abaton) can convert the fax
>into a TIFF file, which can then be read by an OCR program (like Omnipage) and
>converted into your choice of wordpro file. The new Omnipage Direct somehow
>reduces the number of steps involved.

Also, FAXstf has just come out with FaxManagerPlus, which will do OCR
on incoming faxes and save them in word 5.0 or a bevy of other text formats.
This save a couple steps in the save-to-tiff-change-programs-do-ocr process
and also the FMPlus is pretty cheap compared to the big OCR programs.
I have no idea how the package accuracy performance is, but I'm sure FAXstf
would love to send you info.

Kenn
kenn@cs.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm

Read November's issue of MacUser. There is a pretty good reviews of most modems
available in the market.

Cheers.

Jerry Tang
#include <std_disclaimer.h>
From: yjc@po.cwru.edu (Jerome Chan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacTCP license fees & Eudora
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: 17 Nov 1992 16:16:56 GMT
Organization: The Tofu Society of Singapore
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b61539.student.cwru.edu

In article <aland.722011901@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>,
aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.) wrote:
> 
> weave@apache.dtcc.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes:
> 
> >If it is true that the new MacTCP can be had for $25, as a previous poster
> >mentioned that he just got it for, then what is the big deal?
> 
> The big deal is that Apple announced that distribution was changing
> _before_ setting the changes & announcing the new policy.  So 'rampant
> speculation' of the sort happening on the net is mandatory. :)
> 
> >It is clear that Apple has reduced system prices by more than $25 per
> >machine, so whenever you buy a computer, just throw in an extra $25 for
> >MacTCP. 
> 
> No problem, except that I haven't seen any conformation of the $25
> price.  If anyone has information relevant, please post (or e-mail me,
> as my boss has me trying to track down this information anyway...).  I
> need the order number & who to order it from.  Eg. APDA, Apple, HEPP,
> etc.
> 
> 	-=Alan

I've just called APDA. MacTCP costs $100 if you don't have it previously
and $25 if you have version 1.1. If you have any other versions, it will
still cost you $100.

---
The Evil Tofu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Lets Screw Apple!!!
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:21:27 -0600
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <BxKItr.39s@Novell.COM>, Mel Walker <mwalker@novell.com> wrote:
> 
> If it was worth someone's time write a MacTCP-API-compatible cdev, it
> would have been written, and probably sold for about $5 less than Apple
> sells it. Why don't you read up on MacTCP and the TCP/IP protocol and
> write it? Or is it not worth that much to you?
> 
	Seriously, when MacTCP was free, why would you expect someone
to waste time reinventing the wheel?  

As an aside, the pricing seems inequitable for the 'middle'
class site.  Small sites pay per copy and site licenses for
the site.  Stanford, for example, might have 3,000 copies for
the site license of $4000 and Middleberg College could use only 200 at
the same price.  Or has Apple a more equitable scheme?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Distribution: world
From: hyerstay@cybermac.uvm.edu (Jason Hyerstay)
Organization: Adrenaline Online
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:01:47 EDT
Subject: Re: StuffIt Expander 3.0 (was Re: HQX files)

What about StuffIt Converter? Every copy that I have ever tried has failed to
convert anything. I think I would buy StuffIt Deluxe if I could batch convert
all of my Compact Pro file on my BBS.
-Jason
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