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From: loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Protien consumption
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:47:25 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Nov5.173403.16568@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, mmm1@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mark.m.miller) writes:
> 
>    I would like some input as to the amount
> of protien the body can digest and in what
> kind of time period it is used. I have read
> that the body can only digest up to 30 gm 
> of protien at each meal. Which to my understanding
> this means that anything over this amount will
> not be utilized by the body.  My friend believes
> that this is not true. His reasoning is that if
> you intake say 50 gm of protein at say noon and
> you do not go to the bathroom until 4:00, the body
> will utilize all of the protien. But if you go to the
> bathroom at 12:45 you will loose the unused portion
> of protien. This does not sound right. Send any replies
> to the net so that others can read and reply. (or should
> I say fight it out).

:)  :)  :)

Well, I apologize for being "blunt", but unless you wear Depends Undergarments,
I don't think this is a very accurate account of the proper digestion sequence
in the body.  Protein utilization does not revolve around when, where and how 
many times you take a "dump".  (I'm sorry, I can't help but laugh  :)  )
The excreteing of wastes is dependent upon how much liquid or solid you take in.
In other words, you would urinate a hell of alot quicker if you drank 6 8oz
glasses of water than if you were only to drink 1 4oz glass.  Same with food.
It does not matter how much protein you take in to determine when and how much
you will have to go to the bathroom.  From what I have been told by several 
people, the body can only digest 30gm of protein at one sitting.  I have usually
followed this rule, because I have not found evidence pro or con to this issue.
It is true to say that the body can only use so much protein at one meal, but 
how much the body will utilize, I would guess, depends upon how badly the body
is in need of it.  That is why, bodybuilders need more protein than couch 
potatoes, because they are constantly tearing down muscle and rebuilding it.
I'm sorry to say, but your friend doesn't quite sound too knowledgable on this.

-Rob

> 
>                                 c-ya Mark
> .
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From: freier@mail.physics.utah.edu (rodney james freier)
Subject: Re: karate
Organization: University of Utah - Physics Department
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:50:38 GMT

Being an aerobic weenie, I really had problems when I started Tae Kwon Do.
Katas (or forms) don't look all that challenging aerobically, but try them for half
an hour.  I would suggest preparing with aerobic endurance building exercises.
Biking, running, etc.


Rod (Freier@mail.physics.utah.edu)
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From: paul@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Paul Lalonde)
Subject: Re: Help, I jump and I can't get up
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:06:55 GMT

In <BxIJ7p.BAz@csfb1.fir.fbc.com> jbrock@csfb1.fir.fbc.com (John Brock) writes:

>If, heaven forbid, one ever needs to use one's martial arts training
>for actual self-defense, there probably won't be much time to warm up!
>Isn't there the danger that you may try to do something fancy (not
>neccessarily a jump kick) and end up ripping yourself in two, much to
>the amusement of whoever should have been on the receiving end?

>Has any martial arts system ever addressed this?  Just wondering!

Valid point, John. But in this case, I was stressing 'warmup' in the context
that the original poster was learning these kicks. You should never attempt
to perform any kicks or movements in real-world situations that you haven't
mastered.

Once you've warmed-up, perfected the technique, you will not require the
warmup should a threatening situation occur. If you follow a strict
stretching/flexibility schedule during training, and do 2-3 min. worth
of static strectching in the morning (or whenever you wake up) you'll find
that you will not lose your flexibility during the day.

It all ties into how dedicatedly you stretch when you do stretch.

In my case, a good 10-15 minutes of warmup allows me to, say, side kick
well above my height of six feet. With no warmup, and due to my more-than-
average flexibility, I can still manage to hit six feet. In this regard,
with no warmup, you should still be able to kick effectively if not as
flashy :)

Paul

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From: mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Help, I jump and I can't get up
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:52:30 -0600
Summary: Thanks
Organization: University of Northern Iowa








Thanks for all the advise gang.  I'll let you know how it turns out.  

                                                Diana
From: rr2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ryan E. Rasmussen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Metabolol II
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:48:34 GMT
Organization: Junior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I was just wondering if anybody out there has made substantial lean
muscle mass gains form using Champion Nutrition's Metabolol II.  What
does the National Supplement Review say about it?  I went through about
ten 2.2-lb. containers of the stuff, but I was into heavy triathlon
training at the time, which prevented any strength or mass increases.  I
do believe that it helped keep my bodyfat low.  Now that I am focusing
on the weights, I am considering returning to Metabolol II.  Any
comments would be appreciated.

Ryan Rasmussen
From: robins@ruby.sps.mot.com (Robin Sowton)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Stairstepper question: knees
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:00:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: oakhill.1992Nov5.220040.110
Organization: Motorola RISC Software, Austin, TX

I've recently added stair-stepping to my regular workout, and after using
the stair-stepper for just two weeks, I've started to feel a "pulling" 
where the knees bend. It's the same feeling you get if you're sitting
with your knees bent for a long period of time. My knees have never bothered
me before in any other activities (bicycling, martial arts, yoga, running...)

Is this "pulling" in the knees expected when you first start out?
Has anyone had this experience with stair-steppers? Would knee supports
help or is this just evading a possible problem?

I would appreciate any comments...

Thanks,

Robin
From: ayoung@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: lose weight with Thermojectics
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:10:27 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <Bx9zxA.C0@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tww40334@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Wentworth) writes:
> do you want to lose weight?  Thermojectics offers an all-natural
> way to speed up your metabolism so that you can lose and keep off
> weight.  

... copious absurd SHIT deleted ...

> lose up to thirty pounds a month if you follow the directions.
> If you're interested in buying or selling Thermojectics, or for more
> information, send me email.

 This rotten posting pisses me off severely - a lot of people read this BB for
honest advice (usually contradictory, but at least sincere!).  Even worse, the
product claims seem to be of the sort that even the most fanatical steroid
popping supplement maniac would crap themselves laughing at - lose 30 pounds
in a single month - nothing short of amputation can do that!  C'mon guys and
gals, get the napalm flamers out.

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From: rachim_t1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: muscle mix, etc
Date: 28 Oct 92 08:48:20 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

But doesn't it just make plain _sence_ that protein is needed by the body to
repair and help grow muscle tissue?  
I mean, think about it, why does _anyone_ need protein in their diet in the
first place?  Do you know why?  Good, now think about a body builder (or heavy
laborer) who strains his muscles daily, don't you think (s)he would need a
little _more_ protein in their diet to keep from withering away?

I'd really like to hear anything to the contrary cause this seems like common
sence to me and if it's not to someone else I'd really like to hear it.

rachim_t1@verifone.com
From: rachim_t1@verifone.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Q's re. back exercises
Date: 28 Oct 92 10:10:07 -1000
Organization: VeriFone Inc., Honolulu HI

Am I working the same back muscles when I do T-bar rows (narrow grip) and
seated pulley rows (narrow grip) ?  
Also, aren't these similar to bent over dumbell rows?
And, do narrow grip underhand pulldowns get lower back width or what?

(back is my favorite bodypart and I always want to do EVERYTHING but I know it
would be overkill).

thanks
rachim_t1@verifone.com

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From: paul@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Paul Lalonde)
Subject: HELP! Broken arm shrunk my chest :)
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:16:49 GMT

A couple of years ago, I broke my right humerus badly (it's not funny :)
requiring reconstructive surgery. Being a young lad of 19 I figured that
with time, it would heal and be the same good ol' arm I used to have, and
that I'd be back in bodybuilding in no time.

No dice.

I don't know what the story is, but I cannot fully extend the arm, nor can I
twist it (a motion required when doing curls with a straight bar) without
discomfort. Back in '89 I said to hell with bodybuilding.

It's 1992 and I stopped feeling sorry for myself and have been working out
again for about 5 months. Despite the mean scar and lack of full extension,
the arm is surprisingly strong. Progress is being made that I never thought
I'd be making again.

But...

Since my accident, the right side of my chest has atrophied some, and for
some reason it remains that way. My left chest is significantly larger
than my right, and I notice that when doing chest work, my right side
seems to fall behind.

What can I possibly do to equalize this?  Instead of walking at an angle to
give the illusion of symmetry by distance :) :) I'd like to even things out
a bit!

Any help would be appreciated.

Paul

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From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Alpine Tracker [ski machine] usage info needed!
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:48:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: gw.1dop52INNmmt
Organization: Knapp & Viola, Attys., San Mateo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gw.home.vix.com


Hi folks!

I just came by an Alpine Tracker (tm) brand of ski machine..it is a
lower end copy of a Nordic Track..with feet plates which slide on a
track, andhand/arm pulleys.

My question is...how do I use this thing? :-) There is that padded
brace which you lean against...it is height-adjustable...where should
it hit me as I lean against it?  My hips?  [awkward] My belly?  [less
awkward] What is the proper combination and positioning for arms &
legs?

In short...help!

Thanks!

Annie
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From: rr2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ryan E. Rasmussen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Muscle And Fitness
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:26:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.If15Kp600iUx07=cAY
	<1992Oct28.160943.12499@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Organization: Junior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I have bought Muscle & Fitness and Flex, much to my current
embarrassment.  When I was just starting to lift I thought that they
might be helpful.  To be truthful, these mags do have some accurate
information, but usually only in regards to general health and
nutrition, not bodybuilding.  For the majority of people, following the
training regimens of the champs will only burn them out.  Weider and co.
are just in this for the money.
    Ironman, however, is an excellent magazine.  The training articles
are realistic and for the most part cater to the "hardgainer," which
most of us are without drugs.  The writing, unlike that of Weider's
mags, is intelligent and not on the 1st grade level.  You won't find
articles on how bodybuilders can improve their sex lives.  Additionally,
the photography is superb.  I suggest that you give Ironman a thorough
examination.  You'll be glad you did.

Ryan Rasmussen  
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Help, I jump and I can't get up
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:09:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.173326.8563@iscsvax.uni.edu> mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Hi gang,
>
>        I've been in the martial arts for years now but for some reason I have
>never managed to get a decent jump kick down pat.  
>
>        As much as I can tell it's not due to technic but to the fact that I
>just can't seem to get off the floor.  Any ideas on how to get more hieght?
>
>        Oh, yeah my straight jumps are ok its the spin jumps that are out of
>wack....

Squats.

GMS
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: awalters@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Walters)
Subject: Re: Recurring Shoulder Injury
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:38:20 GMT

In article <92316.203029DMS161@psuvm.psu.edu> <DMS161@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>About a month ago, I reinjured one shoulder by you guessed it, playing
>football.  This time the injury was self induced when I flung one arm around
>hard and fast, I heard a pop, then pain.
>
>
>Is this injury a form of a dislocation or something else?

From my own unpleasant experience, I would say that "flinging ones arm around
hard and fast", "hearing a pop", and "pain", could quite possibly be a
dislocation.  It seems that many people (like Mel Gibson's character in
Lethal Weopon II), after dislocating their shoulder have great difficulty 
re-locating it.  Not so for me.  The first time I dislocated my shoulder
was in a fall down a ski slope.  My arm was "flung back", I heard a "pop",
I felt "pain", but, when I brought my arm back down It popped back into place
and so I didn't realize, and the medics and the lodge didn't realize that
It had been dislocated and that I should have had my arm in a sling so that
the rotator cuff could heal properly.  My shoulder was fine until I took up
tennis and tried my first overhand serve, Ouch!  After that my shoulder would
dislocate weekly, even in my sleep.  So I had to get it repaired, Ouch!

My advice is to go to an orthopedic surgeon and have it checked out. If it
was dislocated and didn't heal properly, you could be in for trouble.

                                  Anj
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Legendary Abs 'demystified'
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:07:10 GMT
Reply-To: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: glex@nitro


In article <1dmeusINNknt@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, bandwen@eagle.larc (bando) writes:

|> What is the difference between bent knee half si-ups and crunches?
crunches - your upper body curls towards the legs.
half sit-ups - your upper body lifts itself upward, trying to reach to the
	ceiling instead of your knees.  Hardley any "crunching".

Different angle, slightly different muscles used.
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From: sgb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEPHEN G. BUELL)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Hanging Leg Raises
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:49:07 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I've been using the Legendary Abs program (modified by me) for quite awhile
and would encourage everyone to try the hanging leg raises.  It is key that
you see the book's illustrations in order to perform them correctly.  You need
to get your pelvis forward to decrease the help of the hip flexors and to take
the stress off the lower back.

They are tough to do!  But the LA book gives you some other exercises that
will build the lower abs enough that soon you will be able to do a few hanging
leg raises.  I'd recommend using straps as it gets tiring to continue to hold
yourself without them.  After doing as many as you can, try to do some
crunches including a pelvic tilt.  I think you will be surprised by the
feeling.  Your lower abs will be shot and it will be very difficult to do much
of a pelvic tilt with your crunches.

The leg raises are also funny in that you get little warning as to when you
can't do any more.  I'll get to 8 and think that 12+ will be cake.  Often I
don't even get the ninth one.  It goes that quickly.

Steve
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From: mattd@cltr.uq.oz.au (Matthew Deshon)
Subject: Re: Legendary Abs
Organization: Centre for Language Teaching and Research, Uni of Queensland, AUSTRALIA.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:33:43 GMT


Anyone know how to get this publication in Australia?

Thanks,

matt

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From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Legendary Abs 'demystified'
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:00:19 GMT
Reply-To: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: glex@nitro


In article <9211101002.AA20829@inet-gw-1.pa.dec.com>, z3kpw@ttacs1.ttu.edu ("Wheeler, Kevin") writes:
|> What the heck is a "hanging leg/knee raise"?  Hopefully this doesn't involve hanging upside down, does it?

Nope.  The hanging is usually done by 2 parallel pads that allow your 
elbows/arms to support your weight.  They can also be done by hanging from 
a horizontal bar, your hands/arms get pretty tired supporting your weight 
this way.  A parallel dip apparatus would also work.

Hang in there.
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From: nelson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Nelson)
Subject: Re: Advice Wanted on Home Workout Equipment
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:05:19 GMT

 I agree with Anj's report on Soloflex.
 I have been using Soloflex for about 18 months and have been
 very pleased. I find it easy to use and flexible enough to do
 a full range of exercises. Contrary to some opinions I've read
 in this group I think that I have made significant strength
 gains using Soloflex. I judge this by the increase in weight
 I can move on the machine and by an increase in arm and chest
 measurements. I have had good service from Soloflex. My 2.5 lb.
 straps broke after about 12 months and they sent me free 
 replacements very quickly.
 The only drawback in my opinion is curls and dumbell exercises.
 I didn't like the way curls are done on Soloflex so I do them
 with free weights, and I do dumbell exercises with free weights.
 Other than that I've been very satisfied.  And I find that it is
 safe enough for my 8 and 10 year old sons to play around with.
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From: jbrock@csfb1.fir.fbc.com (John Brock)
Subject: Re: Help, I jump and I can't get up
Reply-To: uunet!csfb1!jbrock
Organization: First Boston Corporation
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:26:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.075048.25154@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, paul@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Paul Lalonde) writes:
|> 
|> There are really only three factors to successful jump kicks and jump-spin
|> kicks:  1)  flexibility   2)  speed   3)  confidence
|> 
|> 1.  Flexibility - your body (legs, specifically) must be limber and
|> completely warmed up to perform these kicks initially. *Never* attempt to
|> do jump kicks or jump-spin kicks when you aren't proficient at them and
|> haven't warmed up.  If you're just starting out, warm up extensively.
|> 
|> 2.  Speed - It is not so much 'height' that allows one to jump kick
|> successfully (if you're in good shape enough to throw this type of kick you
|> can probably jump as high as you need to!). It is speed. You have to be able
|> to extend and retract with such speed that you are again standing when you've
|> completed the kick. This ties in heavily with flexibility: with poorly warmed
|> up legs, you're going to pull something. (Trust me - I lost full flexibility
|> in my hamstring when I tore it badly doing a jump crescent kick without
|> warming up... took over a year to get it back).
|> 
|> 3.  As Richard states, *confidence* is the major component here. You have

If, heaven forbid, one ever needs to use one's martial arts training
for actual self-defense, there probably won't be much time to warm up!
Isn't there the danger that you may try to do something fancy (not
neccessarily a jump kick) and end up ripping yourself in two, much to
the amusement of whoever should have been on the receiving end?

Has any martial arts system ever addressed this?  Just wondering!

-- 
John Brock
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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Help, I jump and I can't get up
Organization: National Institutes of Health
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:46:35 GMT

In article mcmurtrey@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Hi gang,
>
>        I've been in the martial arts for years now but for some reason I have
>never managed to get a decent jump kick down pat.  
>
>        As much as I can tell it's not due to technic but to the fact that I
>just can't seem to get off the floor.  Any ideas on how to get more hieght?
>
>        Oh, yeah my straight jumps are ok its the spin jumps that are out of
>wack....

If your regular jump kicks are okay, then you probably have all
the muscle you need to do decent jump spin kicks.  More likely
you have a confidence and/or coordination problem.  These kicks
involve a literal leap of faith.  You have to *know* they are
going to work.  They also require that all the muscles involved
fire in the right sequence.

What worked for me was committed practice on a forgiving
surface.  I had the advantage of a first-class Judo mat, but any
surface should do as long as you can fall on it without fear of
serious injury.  You *will* fall a lot, but persist and you will
eventually gain the confidence and burn in the muscular
responses necessary to do decent jump spinning kicks.  Oh yeah,
when you practice, get a spotter to watch you and give you
constant feedback.  It is very hard to figure out certain faults
for yourself.  

And hey, if all else fails learn a few good counters and tell
your friends you *never* do jump spinning kicks because they are
tactically unsound ;-)
--
Richard A. Drury
drury@helix.nih.gov