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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:29:27 EST
From: Matthew Jose Smedle <MJS174@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject:    *Mini Spoilers* Schizms/Cause and Effect

I guess this is kind of a spoiler so...















Did anyone notice that the thing that they used to track Riker in "Schizms"
wasthe same as what Data used to send himself a message in "Cause and
Effect"?  I happened to watch both in a row on tape and I noticed this.  I
was wondering if these were meant to be the same device (dechion (sp?) field
I remember in C&E, but I don't remember specifics from "Schizms") or was it
just a case of reusing an old prop?

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From: frnk@cs1.bradley.edu (Paul Ondercin)
Subject: Fistful of Datas HELP & SPOILERS!
Summary: Gifs
Keywords: Need some help.
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:09:10 GMT


   Could someone please make some Gifs of the "Fistfull of Datas" episode?

   I'd be grateful for the following scenes:

	Any scene with Sirtis playing Troi playing the Unknown Winchester 
	Shooter...

	Worf at the end, smileing.

	Worf, mosying.

	Data, mosying.

	The Enterprise, rideing off into the sunset.


	 Frnks! in advance! :>
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From: dsy@psych.toronto.edu (Desiree Sy)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG Uniforms: why the zipper?
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:44:58 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.050148.19034@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs631112@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs631112) writes:
>
>Point blank: why would a military uniform be designed so that it is
>hard to get in to?  I know you CAN zip yourself up, but in the 24th
>centuty there has got to be a better way.  Any ideas?

Good questions all, and the answers are simple:  What the actors wear 
in TNG are not military uniforms; they are costumes designed to
be seen on television.  Hey, I'll even say it again:  They were 
primarily designed to look good for the cameras.

Of course, they were secondarily designed to represent plausible
uniforms, and your objections are well taken on this point.  (At
least -- thank goodness! -- they seem to have abondoned the idea
that members of an away team could work efficiently in
mini-skirts and nylons (or whatever the 24th c. equivalent of
nylons are).)  However, I'd bet pretty good money that the first
point would outweigh the second every time.

-desiree
From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Critics (was Re: was "Rascals" Really Really Sucked!!!
Date: 8 Nov 92 01:26:06 GMT
Organization: Yale University


   I would actually like to thank the reviewers who complain about the new
episodes all the time.  For all episodes this season, people have stated
it was the worst ST episode of all time, so (even though I try to avoid
possible spoilers), I go in fearing the worst; and usually,
    It's not that bad.
    Don't get me wrong, this is certainly not the third or fourth season
material, but I still think this is better than the first season fiascos
or most of the second season.
    On the other hand, what does worry me, and probably contributes to
the fan dissapointments with this season is that after the wonderful two
seasons (3rd and 4th), TNG has become merely competent or average.
   Like presidential elections (not just the last one, but pretty much all
of them), it's not the level that's relevent for people's opinions, but
rather the direction that it's moving toward, and the fact that, even with
two additional years under its belt, TNG cannot reach the levels of its
past glory days does worry me a bit.
          Junsok Yang
From: dkelly@bio2.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Keiko/Rosiland Chao trivia ?
Date: 10 Nov 92 03:33:13 GMT
Reply-To: dkelly@bio2.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly)


Rosalind Chao was also in this really great art movie called _Thousand
Pieces of Gold_. It's about a Chinese peasant girl sold to a
bride-merchant in the 1880s, and transported to America to become a prostitute.
							Diane Kelly
							Duke Zoology
From: raudenbc@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Holodeck etiquette (or lack of it!)
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:33:41 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1dc7aoINNlli@morrow.stanford.edu>, steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes:
> In article <12732@hq.hq.af.mil>, lpeters@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Leslie D Peters) writes:
> |> The holodeck, realistically, has fixed dimensions; however, what it
> |> to prevent the holodeck from giving Picard and Riker the *appearance*
> |> of being 3,000 miles away from each other
> |> Between them is the holograpic image spanning the distance.  If they
> |> were to start travelling towards each other, the "barrier" would be
> |> compensating for less and less distance until it falls within the 
> |> dimensions of the room.
> 
> 
> Similarly, in your example, the adjustments to the floor would
> allow Picard and Riker to walk for 1500 miles before meeting,
> if they really wanted to.
> 
> I liked "Reunion" pretty well, by the way. 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Steve Cole  (steve@sep.stanford.edu, apple!sep!steve)
> Department of Geophysics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305
Here's a point to ponder...
What if the holodeck simulated a small planet.. Riker and Picard start
moving in opposite directions, Riker to the left/Picard to the right.
So, eventually they should meet each other on the other side of the planet
and be facing each other.  How would the holodeck get them turned around
and facing each other on the other side of the planet?

-Bryan
From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Tartikoff leaving Paramount: what effect on trek?
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:57:08 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Nov4.140420.257@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov3.001724.9189@mic.ucla.edu>, scott@eggneb.astro.ucla.edu (scott evans) writes:
>> In article <2NOV92.13542069@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>>
>>>From what I understand, and my biggest concern regarding Tatikoff's departure, 
>>>is with future Star Trek movies.  Paramount considered the Trek movies over, 
>>>but Tartikoff likes Trek and wanted to see another film.  It was his say-so 
>>>that began the current research into finding a script.  This is all per Bjo 
>>>Trimble, author of the Star Trek Concordance/Good Ship Enterprise, at 
>>>WorldCon/Orlando last month.
>>>
>> As it turns out, Bill Shatner was over at Richard Arnold's place last
>> Friday (I was there, too) and the topic of the Paramount shakeup came
>> up. Bill mentioned that the principal actors had not been seriously
>> approached about doing a STVII but since Tartikoff has left, maybe the
>> new powers that will be would get going on a script that Bill has written.
>> When he left Richard's, Bill said he would try to get the
>> ball rolling on his script. Maybe there will be a STVII after all!!
>> 
>> Scott Evans
>
>
>
>So, let me get this straight, you were there as they discussed this...
>you heard some of the script details and their plans to try and
>sell the idea to the new management, a script that Shatner has written....
>
>FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE, WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY TO STOP THEM!?!
>
>This is a Shatner script!  This could actually wind up on the big
>screen like Star Trek V: The Final      
>Frontier.   How could you let this happen?
>
I rather liked Star Trek V.  Why don't you give the man a break and
see whether or not his script gets accepted before you get all hyper.
Who knows, it could be good.  And I would like to see them do another.

Marg Petersen



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From: kiemschies@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Religion and Star Trek
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:54:09 EST


In article <1992Oct30.193036.13377@EE.Stanford.EDU>, bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore) writes:
> There was an episode of TOS where Kirk said something to
> an alien like "We have one God- that's enough"
> 
> So, it's not like religion is dismissed.
> 
> And as noted before, Picard's comment on the Nagelum episode
> indicate at least some kind of belief in the nature of humans
> that goes beyond pure secularism, whatever this is.
> 
> By the way, what was going on at the end of that episode,
> when Picard was talking to Nagelum in the mirror and said 
> "next time we'll meet you *out there*"? Did he strike a deal?
> 
> Also, on religion, don't forget Star Trek V, when they searched
> for God, a metaphor for religious seeking. Sure, they didn't find
> him/her, but they *were* looking. A pretty mediocre movie though,
> maybe you *would* rather ferget it! :-)
Except for the line "excuse me, what does God need with a starship?"> 
> Bill
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From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Fistful of Datas (no real spoilers)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 08:47:29 GMT


Okay, so it wasn't the best episode of the season.  (Anyone besides me think
"Spectre of the Gun, Spectre of the Gun"?)  But it was all justified by
that final shot of the Enterprise -- classic!

Firestar
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From: norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James McInerney Junior)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's background
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:08:12 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <74319@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0552c@prism.gatech.EDU (PILCHER,DAVID ANDREW) writes:
>
>	Okay, this episode (RASCALS) brought up a question that I've had for
>a long time.  I'm an huge ST:TNG fan, but I don't read these r.a.s.* things
>very often, so I hope this ain't a FAQ.
>
>	Jean-Luc Picard, both in geezer and rug-rat form has a distinctively
>british accent (especially as a kid).  Yet, his name is inherently french.
>Why?  Was he born in France but grow up in England?  I know somebody knows
>the answer to this out there.  Of course the REAL answer is obvious: Patrick
>Stewart was the best choice for the part, and he IS brittish.  So why didn't
>the ST folks just rename Jean-Luc Picard as John Pickard?
>
>							Pilch


Come on!

Everybody know that the British..not contented with keeping
just the Irish and the Scottish under there boot, decided to
get expansionistic again in the late 21st century and
kicked the living crap outta the French...

Where have you been?




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From: eric@wdl35.wdl.loral.com (Eric Kuhnen)
Subject: Re: Does It really matter??
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:28:40 GMT

durrant@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:

>Subject: Does It REALLY Matter?

Well, since you asked: Yes, it matters.

>Keywords: Get A Life!

See my .sig.

[Some stuff deleted.]

>	To all who feel they must spend hours and lots 'o bandwith discussing
>every error ad nauseum (SP?) --GET A LIFE!!!!!!  TNG is just an enjoyable TV
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
OK.  Are you busy on Friday?

[More deleted material.]
>out on a lot of enjoyment of a good show by analyzing it so much.  If you think

The analysis of Star Trek sharpens the intellect through the careful and 
thoughtful discussion of such abstract concepts as futuristic technology as
an extension of present-day physical laws and principles.  The discussion of
the TV show itself broadens the appreciation for the Art of Acting and the
Science of Show Production, especially for those whose discipline lies within
the technical sciences field.  More to point of your comment, intense analysis
is rather a pleasure for those accustomed to that level of critical thinking.
I challenge your claim that such scrutiny takes out ". . . a lot of enjoyment 
of a good show. . . ."

>Christine
>           This e-mail address has been rendered flame-proof--I haven't learned
>           how to read my e-mail yet.  (give me a break--I'm an English major!)

Would that be Christine Durrant, famed belle of the English Department?

Eric

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From: stuartc@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Stuart Corcoran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Keiko/Rosiland Chao trivia ?
Summary: another movie credit
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:46:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: tekig7.7528
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <Nov.9.15.55.21.1992.15680@gandalf.rutgers.edu> finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) writes:
>sstephen@us.oracle.com writes:
>
>
>>From my reference books, Rosiland Chao had major roles in "The Terry Fox Story"
>>and "White Ghost" (1988, William Cat as Rambo -> turkey).  Looks like she might
>>get more exposure in ST:DSN.
>
>Don't forget that she played Soon-Lee (I think that was her name), Max
>Klinger's Korean wife during the last season of M*A*S*H and in AfterM*A*S*H.
>

She also had the lead role in "Five Pieces of Gold".  Interesting
historical story about overcoming hardship.  Nothing major, just
being sold into slavery by your father (so he can feed the rest of
his family), being shipped to 19th San Franscisco, and being bought
again and transported to an Oregon mining camp to be the 
(income generating) property of the camp boss.

Good movie if you like historical films with an actual story and
aren't dissapointed by a lack of gratuitous sex and violence.  Worth renting.

Stuart

Are the opposite of disclaimers, claimers?
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From: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Subject: Re: recurring TNG plots
Originator: stdeprie@c00561-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:02:03 GMT


Hmmm, I was under the impression that Inner Light actually took place for Picard.
that he lived his whole life on another planet, but in real time it was no 
more than I believe 30 minutes. I would love to see this episode again. 
MHO anyway.  BTW, what episodes do not fall into this plot scheme?
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A Fistful of Datas comment
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:51:24 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.whiners
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Nov9.005222.11946@proponent.com>, monty%roscom (Monty Solomon) writes:
>"A Fistful of Datas" is the worst TNG episode of all time.

No, no, no!  "The Quality of Life" is the worst TNG episode of all time!

Oh, wait -- it hasn't been shown yet.  Oh, well -- let me get back to you
next week on that.  I'm sure /someone/ will say it.

(Follow-ups to rec.arts.startrek.whiners...)

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From: mapres@gdr.bath.ac.uk (R E Slade)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: A few things Ive noticed.
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:40:55 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger) writes:
>In the referenced article, cnk@rgm.com (Claims No Knowledge) writes:
>>>Did anyone else notice that Data is A leftie?

I don't really care what data's political persuasions are!

>
>>I figured that since Data is an android, he would be ambidextrous, so it
>>wouldn't matter WHAT hand he wrote with.
>>
>>cnk
>Clearly his designer, realising that left handed is best, made him like
>that deliberately.

What a load of rubbish!!  We right-handed people don't have to go around telling
everybody how good it is to be right-handed -- it's just obvious.

>
>Mark
>
>

More likely that data's designer wanted him to button his shirt for him and
so HAD to make him left-handed.
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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Re: SPOILERS!!New Episode
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: world,local
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:52:44 GMT


Please try and include a ctrl-L in addition to spaces. Some people have
pagers set up that concatenate two or more blank lines into one...

evans@ece.arizona.edu writes:















:)The last new episode was again a rehash of the old Star Trek.
:)This one involves the holodeck, where Worf is sherrif and must
:)fight off Data disguised in various other roles, and one of 
:)them is female.  Similar plot to the old trek where
:)Kirk, Spock,McCoy and Chekov are back in Tombstone to fight
:)at the OK Corral.  REAL WEAK!!!!  Someone should inform the
:)producers to get their own storyline and stop trying to 
:)repackage the old ones.

About the only common denominator was the Old West. Other than that,
there was NOTHING similar between the two (and after just watching
both in the same day (purely coincidence :), I'm sure of this):

Kirk and co were to be killed by the Melcotions for disobeying their
warning buoy. This was their "pattern of death".

Worf and co were out for a joy ride in the holodeck, and the Library
computers went bad.

Kirk and co were reliving a past event in US history.

Worf and co were experiencing an unknown adventure.

Kirk and co were in a situation were everything should be acting "real",
but wasn't, enabling them to win.

Worf and co were in a situation were everything should be acting not "real"
(i.e., the holodeck safeguard), but was, causing a pretty big problem.

"Spectre of the Gun" was not at ALL light hearted or humorous (except one
quick scene with Chekov and the girl in the bar).

"A Fistfull of Datas" was meant to be pretty humorous. (If not, someone did
something REALLY wrong.  :)

The point of "SotG" was Kirk and co were trying to realize the western
situation was something they had to get out of.

The point of "AFoD" was Worf was trying to play out and finish the western.

I could go on, but I think you get the point...

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Wanted: Press release for "True Q" (?)
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:17:27 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Nov4.093043.2460@inland.com> tanski@inland.com writes:
<Also wanted is the press release (posted I think by Mike Brown) on "True Q" 
<via email.  Thanks in advance.

You haven't gotten it because I haven't gotten it.
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From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: TROI'S ATHLETE'S FOOT
Date: 3 Nov 92 23:57:48 GMT

...personally, I've never seen Troi complain about athlete's foot, fading 
roots, crow's feet, ingrown nasal hair, yeast infections, or menstruation
striking during a crisis on the bridge. 
                                                               
...does that mean that by the 24th century they've cured those problems,
or that Paramount simply wants to avoid the feminist claptrap that would
flood the offices after the episode aired?

Either way, go figure.

                                                        OM
From: ccspjs@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Pete J Suters)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Picard's background
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:21:30 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In the referenced article, norbert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Timothy James McInerney Junior) writes:
>
>Come on!
>
>Everybody know that the British..not contented with keeping
>just the Irish and the Scottish under there boot, decided to
>get expansionistic again in the late 21st century and
>kicked the living crap outta the French...
>
>Where have you been?
>

  Where have YOU been??
  I think you'll find that the Scots ARE British, as are the Welsh.
I think you might be talking about the English being expansionist,
which is rather strange, as England and Scotland were unified by
a common King in the way-back-when ...
  Returning to ST:TNG ... I don't recall the episode "Payback for
Hastings".  I would guess that it wasn't shown here in Britain, 
but is it available on video - it all sounds rather interesting!

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From: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Subject: Inspector Data.....
Originator: stdeprie@c00504-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:19:27 GMT


Go go Gadget warp drive........:-)
Go go Gadget arms.....etc, etc,etc.....play with it, have fun.
From: bssbc3gsd@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: I Borg{==}Vendetta
Date: 12 Nov 92 11:48:03 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


Is it just me or are there similarities between "I Borg" (which i havent seen,
only read a synopsis of) and the novel "Vendetta"?????


Crew find borg trooper

crew bring borg trooper on ship

geordi tries to be friends...



g.
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