HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: basaran@beach.csulb.edu (Mete)
Subject: test
Reply-To: basaran@beach.csulb.edu
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 01:01:51 GMT

test

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ccgary@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Gary Young)
Subject: Airline Companies,Flying Schools names and addresses
Summary: I would like names and addresses of aviation airlines companies.
Keywords: Names and addresses of airline companies and flying schools
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:08:08 GMT

I'am very interested to obtain the names and addresses of all aviation
airlines companies and flying schools in Taiwan.
I would like to correspond to overseas airline companies to offer the    
opportunity for trainees and students to learn to fly and at the same
time obtain a tertitary education in aviation at the Air Training Centre
in Brisbane, Queensland.
The weather is great all year round.

For further information.
contact Gary Young

Gary Young                                           Education Officer
Prentice Centre                                      Tel: +61 7 365 4359







The University of Queensland                         Fax: +61 7 365 4477
Queensland, Australia, 4072                 Email: ccgary@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au
____________________________________________________________________________

The University of Q
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 10:55:59 CST
From: <U38250@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject:    HATE EACH OTHER ? TIME FOR TIAWAN INDEPENDENCE


It is sad on one hand, and interesting on the other, to look at the current
fights around the net between people from Taiwan and Mainland China. People
are humiliating each other with every possible word they can find.

But, I am not surprised at all.

As a Taiwanese, I've already found the differences between these two different
groups of people long time ago since I was a student. We have different
moral standards, different values, different expectations, different behavior,
different living styles, different public appearances, and different judgement
of what is right or wrong.

But, what can you say about it ? More than 40 years of separation, the big
culture revolution in China, the huge economical differences, two totally
opposite political systems.....  How can you expect people from such different
backgrounds to be the same and not to fight each other ?

Taiwan has been "virtually" independent for more than 40 years. It is just a
matter of "mental recognition"problem that both sides are still claiming
representation of each other. Of course, the international politics has to
be taken into account. But, tell me, how are we gonna "unify" these two areas,
where people hate each other, and where there is so much difference ?


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:45:25 GMT

In article <BzG0yD.Fqp@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.233244.6506@cs.ucf.edu> jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong) writes:
>>
>>I hope you would not say that all Japanese are dearer than your
>>baba and mama. Also I hope you would not anticipate many Taiwanese
>>share your enjoying being Japanese lackey.
>
>     For the moment, they are not threatening to use military force on us.
>They are not massing troops to "liberate" us yet.
>>
>>I bet no Japanese would think in the opposite way. No wonder
>>why "Taiwan was surrendered". Glad to here some of you declare
>>you are not Chinese !
>
>      Taiwan was surrendered because you guys in Mainland China did not put up
>a good fight against the Japanese.  I am proud to declare that I am Taiwanese,  and not Chinese.
##################################################################
Hope you would not say Taiwanese are Japanese (or Japanese-second). 




Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: sebr@iro.umontreal.ca (Sebastien Racine *Rocker*)
Subject: test
Keywords: none
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:33:32 GMT

test

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Election in Taiwan
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 01:37:57 GMT

In article <BzKwGA.3Ht@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>When "36%" became a "big win", I thought it was less than 50% and minority.
>I could be wrong. You got to be ready to hear anything when you talk to TIers.

Well, for the DPP (which I don't support, anyway), 36% is a big win, since it
means the smallest share of vote ever (I believe) for the Nationalist Party.
"Win" and "loss" are relative here; for the Japanese Socialist party, for
example, 40% will be a huge win.

What is alarming (for the KMT, that is) is that for the first time ever, the
DPP got more than 50% vote in several districts/counties/municipalities.
In the northern district of Taipei, for example, the DPP carried a majority.
The only seat in Chiayi also went to DPP.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG)
Subject: Re: Internet in Taiwan
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:10:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.013415.7472%ckshih@ne.nthu.edu.tw> ckshih@ne.nthu.edu.tw (Chun-Kuan Shih) writes:
>
>     We can read your news loud and clear!  I guess we are using
>BITNET.  If you have a chinese system with BIG-5 code, you can
>read the following in Chinese
>
>     s~
>
>     Stop using English when we can talk in our own languages
>and characters. 

there are two difficulies:
1. i don't have chinese character symbles on my keyboard.
2. i don't have chinese fonts in my computer.
8)

cs shao.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16145 soc.culture.china:32569
From: ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Watching CCTV in Taiwan
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:29:56 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Dec10.212128.20620@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, xiaohan@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Xiaohan Yun) writes:
> 
>            how long have you live in a communist countries? and
>            how many people from communist countries you have met?
> 
	** One month.

	   About 10.

	   So what? There are many other factors that lead people 
	   understand communism. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao)
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: AT&T Bell Lab
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:35:28 GMT

From article <1992Dec15.210759.1004@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, by fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou):
> liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
> : Tell me with what China is able to invade Taiwan? Missile Attack?
> : Nuclear bomb? Air superiority? Or what? Are you sure you really want
> : to try? Have you thought about the cost? Can you afford it?
> :
> Militarily and economically, it is not impossible. Politically, it is highly
> unlikely. I thought these were just plain facts.
> 
> But how would it go?
> 
> Let's see, (and of course, let's pray it won't happen) PLA would start the
> campaign with sea blockade with their hundreds of submarines. Yes, anteque,
> outdated, obsolete, you said right. Nevertheless, they are not without surface,
> and possibly air, support. PLA's surface-to-surface missile force and bomber
> force could do some serious damage to taiwan's air defence systems (PLAAF's
> fleet of aircraft is the third largest in the world. Outdated, yes. But can
> taiwan's "superior" F-5 and F-104 fleet cope with HUGE numerical superiority
> is questionable). Nuclear attack probably will never happen. After all, the
> purpose of the invasion is to seize the territory and not a nuclear wasteland.
> After that, paratroop assult, amphibious landing, ground battle.
> 
> And you asked about cost. No doubt, the cost will be VERY HIGH but not 
> impossiblly so. Also you asked if anybody want to try. No doubt, nobody would
> like to but, again, it does not mean nobody, or more specifically, PLA, can't.
> 
> But frankly, in today's world order, I can hardly see this would ever happen.
> : 
> : Heng-Hsin
> :
> fengxi

I really appreciate your comment!

Heng-Hsin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: jgao@cse.uta.edu (Jun Gao)
Subject:  ET or TaYu Chinese System for Autocad 
Keywords: ET, TaYu, AutoCAD
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:04:17 GMT

 
Dear Sir:

I am looking for chinese software, such as ET or TaYu which can be integrated 
with AutoCad(version 10 above). 

I am appreciate any help, please send the information to 
	jgao@cse.uta.edu 

(1) the name of the software
(2) where to order


Thank you in advance. 

jun gao				

 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: uang@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Yea Uang)
Subject: Election in Taiwan
Reply-To: uang@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 22:57:13 GMT

Big win for DPP. Set back for the Nationalist Government.
Yea Uang (uang@lmsc.lockheed.com)
Lockheed Missiles and Space Company
Sunnyvale, CA 94089
(408)-742-2809 Phone
(408)-742-6428 Fax
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16065 soc.culture.china:32398 soc.culture.hongkong:16126
From: npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Two different people? (Was Re: DATA: largest world economies)
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:15:28 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

>I've no intention getting in a political argument in this topic. But for
>fun just in a language point of view. I'm from Shanghai, should be
>called Shanghainese. (In Chinese, we are called Shanghai Ren, or in a
>more populare way are called A La Shanghai Ren) Shall I call myself a
>Shanghainese and denying myself a Chinese? Or, as my parents are from
>Canton, shall I call myself a Cantonese. Oh no, a Shanghainese, no, no,
>not a Chinese, no, no, not a Shanghainese.
>
>Tingli Pan

I think the point netters here talking about is the country, the government,
not the race.  

People living in China pay the tax to Bei Jing government and get welfare from
this government; people living in Taiwan pay the tax to Taipei government and 
get welfare from this government.  Since people living in Taiwan don't pay the 
tax to the Bei Jing government, they can only "show" their interests and opinion
about China but not participate; similarly, people living in China can not
participate the affair in Taiwan.  Just so simple.

Though the ancestor of American come from British, they are two different
countries now.  "No vote right, no tax!"  However, American visit British a lot,
don't they?  

Unification?  No Problem.  EC (Europian Community) is a good examples.  If 
unification can bring each member more benefit, why not?  Note that "civils
vote" are required in EC for each member to decide to join or not.  Follow this
example, China and Taiwan can get unified.  If this unification has a great
benefit, others, like Singarport, HongKong, "Xin1 Jiang1", even Tibet, will join
it voluntarily without brut force.

Just my first impression.

Chen,           npchen@physics.purdue.edu
Dec. 11, 1992
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:03:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.233244.6506@cs.ucf.edu> jinxiong@cs.ucf.edu (Chen Jinxiong) writes:
>
>I hope you would not say that all Japanese are dearer than your
>baba and mama. Also I hope you would not anticipate many Taiwanese
>share your enjoying being Japanese lackey.

     For the moment, they are not threatening to use military force on us.
They are not massing troops to "liberate" us yet.
>
>I bet no Japanese would think in the opposite way. No wonder
>why "Taiwan was surrendered". Glad to here some of you declare
>you are not Chinese !

      Taiwan was surrendered because you guys in Mainland China did not put up
a good fight against the Japanese.  I am proud to declare that I am Taiwanese,  and not Chinese.
>
>
>


Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16382 soc.culture.china:33253
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:43:41 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

>I can not find a single reason why we have to struggle so hard to
>get a chance to slap each other on face.

Because all Chinese history is written as one group of people conquered,
defeated, slaughtered, humiliated another group of people.
How could one hope for this kind of people to be respectful ?
Better to be Taiwanese, forget about those Chinese.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:17:06 GMT

In article <Bz0s0s.Mq4@ecf.toronto.edu> huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING) writes:
>>    You are the ones who are homeless. Been conquered and completely
>>enslaved by the Japanese to the point of forgetting your real name,
>
>     Taiwan was surrendered to the Japanese in 1894.  We were not conquered.
>

Yes, even more disgusting, Chinese lost to Japanese and gave up Taiwan.
I'm glad Taiwanese have a chance to experience another culture which is
much better than the Chinese culture.

Yi-Chieh
From: pychen@zirconium.berkeley.edu (Peter Y. Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Female Taiwanese college student looking for pen pal(s)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 23:44:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley ERL/Microlab
Distribution: w
NNTP-Posting-Host: zirconium.berkeley.edu

A female friend of mine in Taiwan is interested in an intercontinental
correspondance relationship with Caucasian males who are interested in
discussing Chinese/Taiwanese culture, and she has asked me to become
a go-between to establish some link.

If you are interested in making a new friend via the postal service,
please e-mail to me your name and mailing address.  You can either
e-mail reply to this post (pychen@zirconium.berkeley.edu), or to my
home account (pychen@oxide.berkeley.edu).  Please avoid follow-up
posting to this group, as I don't subscribe to it and I may miss your
replies.

Thanks all.

-- Peter
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: gtl@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (george.t.liu)
Subject: Re: difference between mainlander and taiwanese
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:01:25 GMT

In article <00964CBF.1C96AE60@Msu.oscs.montana.edu> uphhswh@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:
>>To whom it may concern.  My only impression is that taiwanese guys are weaker
>>than mainlander, taiwanese girls are less prettier than mainlander.  
>>W. Huang
>

yeah right.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou)
Subject: Re: DATA: largest world economies
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:07:59 GMT

liaohen@cbnews.cb.att.com (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
: Tell me with what China is able to invade Taiwan? Missile Attack?
: Nuclear bomb? Air superiority? Or what? Are you sure you really want
: to try? Have you thought about the cost? Can you afford it?
:
Militarily and economically, it is not impossible. Politically, it is highly
unlikely. I thought these were just plain facts.

But how would it go?

Let's see, (and of course, let's pray it won't happen) PLA would start the
campaign with sea blockade with their hundreds of submarines. Yes, anteque,
outdated, obsolete, you said right. Nevertheless, they are not without surface,
and possibly air, support. PLA's surface-to-surface missile force and bomber
force could do some serious damage to taiwan's air defence systems (PLAAF's
fleet of aircraft is the third largest in the world. Outdated, yes. But can
taiwan's "superior" F-5 and F-104 fleet cope with HUGE numerical superiority
is questionable). Nuclear attack probably will never happen. After all, the
purpose of the invasion is to seize the territory and not a nuclear wasteland.
After that, paratroop assult, amphibious landing, ground battle.

And you asked about cost. No doubt, the cost will be VERY HIGH but not 
impossiblly so. Also you asked if anybody want to try. No doubt, nobody would
like to but, again, it does not mean nobody, or more specifically, PLA, can't.

But frankly, in today's world order, I can hardly see this would ever happen.
: 
: Heng-Hsin
:
fengxi
From: barry@muppet.bt.co.uk (Barry Au-Yeung DND3)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Taiwan vs Mainland To The Extreme
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:35:57 GMT
Reply-To: barry@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 7783@cs.mcgill.ca, haiying@cs.mcgill.ca (Haiying ZHANG) writes:
> 
>    Let me borrow a phrase from Heng-Hsin Liao of AT&T, let's work hard
> for Taiwan and China.
> 
> 
> 					Haiying


Are you forgetting the people in Hong Kong? The people in H.K., Taiwan and
China should work together for tommorrow!

---
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Name		: Barry Au-Yeung
Organization	: British Telecom Research Lab.
Address		: MLB LGF6, BT Research Lab, Ipswich,
		  IP5 7RE, England.
Email Address	: barry@muppet.bt.co.uk
Tel		: UK Free Phone 0800-252144 ext. 640168
		  or 0473-640168
FAX		: UK - 0473 - 648219

Remember	: "I'll be back!"

""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: Eugene.Liu@launchpad.unc.edu (Eugene Liu)
Subject: Re: Article about Election in Taiwan.
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:17:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.162725.29658@cs.brown.edu> mtl@cs.brown.edu writes:
>
>	There is an article about the coming election in Taiwan on today's
>	New York Times!
>	Check it out!

Just did... Is it true that some people being bought votes in the rural areas
had to swear in front of a god to vote for that certain candidate???

The article disturbs me, as far as vote-buying is concerned.

:E. Liu
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16260 soc.culture.china:32964
From: leiy@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Watching CCTV in Taiwan
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:58:26 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

In article <1g3qslINN7hc@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao) writes:
> In article <1992Dec7.153535.4111@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>>> 
>>
>>	** Even your brother get a car, with a few hundred bucks,
>>	   I can still be treated as a Da Yie in "many" places of 
>>	   China for the next 10 years.
>>
>>	   After that, a few thousand bucks can still do the job.
> 
> If you try to be Da Yie in front of me, I'll beat you out off your
> pants!!  (and then take your few hundred bucks away :-))
> 
> Wen

Tong4 Kuai4 !
HaHaHa....Ha...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: kao@cae.wisc.edu (Chengheng Kao)
Subject: Re: Article about Election in Taiwan.
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:41:31 CST
Originator: kao@sun-28.cae.wisc.edu


In article <1992Dec18.021730.15808@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Eugene.Liu@launchpad.unc.edu (Eugene Liu) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec17.162725.29658@cs.brown.edu> mtl@cs.brown.edu writes:
|> >
|> >	There is an article about the coming election in Taiwan on today's
|> >	New York Times!
|> >	Check it out!
|> 
|> Just did... Is it true that some people being bought votes in the rural areas
|> had to swear in front of a god to vote for that certain candidate???
|> 
|> The article disturbs me, as far as vote-buying is concerned.
|> 
|> :E. Liu


This is a typical lie by the New Yort Time reporters. I lived in Taiwan for 
24 years, I saw with my own eyes that vote being bought. But I never saw or
even heard such thing before. The suggestion that taiwan people will 
swear in front of god in order to get small amound of money is
really a insult. (It is worst than selling vote for money).

I think the New York times reporter is so desperate to get his article
published that he or (she) has to make up some stupid story like this one. 

I wish this reporter can read this article because I want to tell him (her)
in person that he (she) is a damed lier.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: mtl@cs.brown.edu
Subject: Article about Election in Taiwan.
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:27:25 GMT


	Netters:

	There is an article about the coming election in Taiwan on today's
	
	New York Times!

	Check it out!



	Lu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: kenw@austlcm.sps.mot.com (kenw)
Subject: A Open Reply to the Guy from Standford
Organization: Motorola
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:04:32 GMT

Mr. PCChang:
       
       Thank you for sending me the email. Although you do not have the 
guts to say it in public, I commend you for knowing that it was not the 
ccp but the KMT who has defeated the Japanese. In your email, you also 
mention that the ccp has taken Manchuria back from the Japanese. I am 
sorry that I have to tell you IT IS NOT CORRECT. It were the Russian who
have never fought with the Japanese at WWII took over Manchuria from the 
Japanese right after the Japanese have surrendered. From its "OLD BIG 
BROTHER", the ccp took over Manchuria, not the Japanese. 

       It is also very unfortunate that you ask the question - where
the Taiwanese have been during the WWII. Let me remaind you that sweeping
generations are not very smart. At WWII, some people in the Mainland fought
with the Janpanese, some cooperate with them. The same thing happened in 
Taiwan too.

Regards,

kenw
            
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ckshih@ne.nthu.edu.tw (Chun-Kuan Shih)
Subject: Re: Internet in Taiwan
Organization: National Tsing Hua University (HsinChu)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:34:15 GMT


     We can read your news loud and clear!  I guess we are using
BITNET.  If you have a chinese system with BIG-5 code, you can
read the following in Chinese

     s~

     Stop using English when we can talk in our own languages
and characters. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan