HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:37:47 MST
From: dougc@bert.cs.byu.edu (Douglas R. Cannon)
Organization: BYU, Provo, Utah
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Library Trouble
	<2b51bf3b.2603.5comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>

In article <2b51bf3b.2603.5comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com> akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson) writes:

>I HAVE seen libraries that intentionally do not self attach.  This is
>probably so that the user can attach the library to whatever directory he
>desires.  This might be advantageous if you only wanted to be able to run
>a certain library from a certain directory.

True, but even a library that has no config object (and thus does not
intentionally attach itself to the HOME directory) will be automatically
attached to the HOME directory at the next warm start.

So, if you want to only execute certain library functions from a certain
directory, then you would attach that library to that sub-directory.  Then,
those library functions would only be visible in that sub-directory.  However,
at the next warm start the library is attached to the home directory (and
also stays attached to your sub-directory) and now your library commands are
visible everywhere.

The only solution that I see (with my limited understanding) is to create
a library that expressely detaches itself from the HOME directory at each
warm start.  This is great unless the user actually WANTS it to be attached
to the HOME directory.

Heck, I dunno.  Any other thoughts?  It makes this whole attach-detach
thing look pretty useless to me since all libraries end up being attached
to the HOME directory eventually.  Am I missing something?

Doug
From: mheiskan@hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: SYSEVAL #CEEAh (disable clock)
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:43:59 GMT
	<2b4e0440.2560.6comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Reply-To: mheiskan@vipunen.hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland


In article <2b4e0440.2560.6comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com> akcs.kirkland@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Daniel B. Kirkland) writes:

>I downloaded the "NEW" ENTRIES from seq.uncwil.edu
>last night.
>Entries.all says
>0CEEA P NS:STOPCLOCK
>0CEEA @ Stops internal clock updates (?)

>so it looks like I am not the only one to run across
>this address.

Hehe, I updated that entry after reading your article in handhelds. Question
marks because you weren't sure about it.

I've had little interest to time, alarm, ir/wire, units etc routines so they
are widely undocumented by myself.  I've just listed the existing entry
addresses in such cases, but anyone interested in them is welcome to fill them
up. I'd be glad to receive any updates, either separately or inserted into
correct positions (Unix diff is quite intelligent)

>by the way why does entries have the date 08.01.1992 ?
>It is suposed to be the new entries. This is 1993!
>Besides I downloaded it on the seventh.

I updated the file at night, in Finland it was 08.01. Not last year though,
that's my mistake. uentries.a has the correct date though.

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From: Matthias_Heidbrink@ms.maus.de (Matthias Heidbrink)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Compaq Lite 25c problem
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 22:01:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.16/hb

Hello !

l>Try TELIX. It will allow you to assign IRQ10 or 14.
l>Laszlo

My registered 3.15 doesn't - or am I doing something wrong ?

Matthias_Heidbrink@MS.MAUS.DE
From: akcs.spacecadet@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (David Cho)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: ASC v. UUENCODE
Message-ID: <2b51dce7.2608.4comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

whoa...!
Didn't we all have this same discussion about a year or two ago?
It certainly has been a long time...Shall we all get into another
heated discussion which is better?.....hmmmm:)

Talking about pain in the rears...(corrupted uudecoded files)
How would you like to transfer a 22K asc file to your hp48.
You would need about 44K free on your calculator, plus more to
unasc it and sto it.  Now how about our poor little voltage
sources?  22K asci certainly is a tad longer than 22k binar isnt it?
I havent check out tasc, and I dont think that it is mac compatible.
Personally I like the comp.sources.hp48 listing where
they have both the asc and uuencoded file.  First I try the 
uudecoded file .  If that doesnt seem to work then I go to the asc file.
But rarely have I had problems...
anyway, like I said, I think we've all had this discussion before...

spacecadet
"fly longer than an eagle, sleep longer than a bear..."
dcho@engin.umich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: Re: String Writer library
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:48:53 GMT

x89beimler@gw.wmich.edu writes:
: I was wondering if anyone had any documentation (English prefered, but 
: French acceptable) for the Sting Writer library (in the upload directory
: at seq.uncwil.edu).  I have found it to be VERY useful while playing with
: it today, and was hoping someone had more about the keyboard use while
: editing, and what the commands EED and VZ do, and how the \->FNT command
: works.
Saw this the other day:
I Just downloaded StringWriter.lib and it works good.
The file has been changed ( the first copy was corrupted )
 
It is a very good tool ( As good as QED )
 
Here is a short documentation :
 
* EDIT : takes an object from level one and edit it
         pressing enter puts that object on the stack after beeing parsed
         When editing, the cursor moves too fast, press - to slow it
         Pressing + fasten the cursor movments
         To get the + or - char you must be in alpha mode
         There is a menu bar with :
         ASCII : for entering a specific char , enter the ASCII code
         GOTO  : to jump to a specified line
         ->BEG : jump to the beginnig of a selection
         ->END :jump to the end of a selection
         DEL L : deletes the current line
         INFO  : informations about the text ...
                 You must keep the key pressed.
         BEGIN : maks the beginning of the selection
         END   : marks the end of the selection
         CUT   : cuts the selection
         COPY  : copy the selection to the clip
         PASTE : insert the clip content before the cursor
         DEL   : deletes the selected text
         FIND  : find a pattern starting from the cursor position
         REPL  : find and replace
         NEXT  : jump to the next occurence of the pattern
         R     : repplace the pattern 
         R/N   : replace the pattern and jump to the next occurence
         R/ALL : replace all the folowing occurences
 
Pressing ENTER saves the changes to the stack
pressing ON quits with no changes ( you are queried )
 
* VISIT  : Works like the Shift-Blue VISIT key
* EDD    : takes an objects from level one and the edit the object
           named ->S which is either in port 0,1 ro 2
           I don't know the purpose of this command
* VZ     : is to EDD what VISIT is to EDIT
* NEW    : start and editing session with a null string
->FNT    : to change the font , it takes a GROB from level one
           I dont't know which format it should be
*Info  : the about function ( I never saw something like that )
 
Download the lib and try it, it's worth the 16908 bytes it takes.

Hope this helps.

-- 
Brian Walsh          Nybble's Byte HP Handhelds free access BBS   48,95,28,etc
brianw@holonet.net   +1-708-304-0666 11pm-8am CST 8-N-1    Usenet news updates
From: akcs.jwtrav@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (John Wettroth)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 12:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Re: 3 Re: AAA Lithium batteries with the HP-48SX
Message-ID: <2b500d1d.2539.6comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

>what good would -40c batteries do in a calc with lcd...
Good point Steve.  I design a lot of military equipment with LCD's.  You
can design LCD's that work at such temps but the 48 display would
probably go away at zero c or so.  I'll modify my last post to say that
they are totally useless.
From: Uwe_Kuechler@f.maus.de (Uwe Kuechler)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Ni-Cad batteries in HP48s ???
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 21:18:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.16/hb

Hi!

c>What would happen if Ni-Cad batteries were use instead
c>of regular ones?
c>Any ideas?

Nothing outrageous will happen. I've been using my 48sx for nearly two years
with rechargeables and never had trouble with it.
Ni-Cads lose their voltage much faster than batteries, but even if you get a
"battery low" warning you will have enough time to use it during an exam... I
tried this and it works fine with my calc.

Ciao!
--==## Uwe ##==--
From: mheiskan@hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: RPL Entry Points
Date: 08 Jan 93 04:28:55 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: inet
Reply-To: mheiskan@vipunen.hut.fi
NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-19.hut.fi
In-reply-to: meissner@triton.unm.edu's message of Fri, 08 Jan 93 02:05:01 GMT


In article <xwzrl#d@lynx.unm.edu> meissner@triton.unm.edu (John Meissner) writes:

>	1) Is there an easy way to enter a user-RPL routine just after
>the CK1.  I want to use the dispatching of x+ and x* without re-marking
>the stack as user-owned.  Any sugestions would be appreciated.

For commands starting with CK<n>&Dispatch use EvalNoCK. It checks the first
command in a composite, if it is CK<n>&Dispatch CK&DISPATCH1 is executed
instead. Else 1st command is just skipped.

PTR 18F6A is unsupported, but you could call it EvalNoCK: It executes EvalNoCK
on the next object in the stream.

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From: lkv@mania.RoBIN.de (Lutz Vieweg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Tricorder simulator
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 20:05:32 GMT
 <STEVEV.93Jan4192708@miser.uoregon.edu> <1ibcmuINNr58@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> <STEVEV.93Jan5102529@miser.uoregon.edu>
Organization: The Funny Farm
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 alpha rel3

In article <STEVEV.93Jan5102529@miser.uoregon.edu>, Steve VanDevender writes:

> This is a very interesting defense, although one that is probably
> wrong.  I seriously doubt that Lutz can document that he came up
> with this mnemonic all by himself without reference to the AG
> mnemonics.  There are too many similarities between his mnemonic
> set and Alonzo Gariepy's.

This is really a ridiculous discussion - are you just searching
reasons to flame around or what the hell is your motivation?

I don't see any reason to justify myself against such obviously
wrong reproaches, so I tell you once and never again:

- When I programmed CLASS and CLDIS, I'd never heard of Alonzo
  Gariepi or his work - I had no access to the net, and the
  48sx was my first HP handheld.
  
  Additionally, I don't have a version of STAR for my
  amiga until now.

- The mnemonics I use(d) where inspired only by the Motorola ones -
  I've been programming ML on their processors for several years.

- The similarities between Alonzo's mnemonics (which I would have
  probably used if I'd known them before I startet CLASS) are
  obviously resulting from their common predecessor...

> I do not want to have to also obtain
> Lutz Vieweg's CLASS or convert code from CLASS to STAR,
> particularly when so little code is available for it.

You don't have to do so, and so anything should be fine, shouldn't it?

To me it is not "so little code", and I don't want to convert
around 10000 source-lines into other mnemonics, even because
I've got no running assembler for them.

> But I find it very frustrating that someone would invent
> yet another assembler with a mutated version of AG mnemonics

This is, as I said before, absolutely untrue.


Please stop this unnecessary and unproductive discussion - and
get away with your reproaches.

cu, Lutz Vieweg
From: mheiskan@hut.fi (Mika Heiskanen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: SPARCOM MathCard for sale
Date: 07 Jan 93 11:59:59 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: comp
Reply-To: mheiskan@vipunen.hut.fi
NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-19.hut.fi


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From: akcs.spacecadet@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (David Cho)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: SounderKit for hp48
Message-ID: <2b51d94b.2582.4comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Hey Zoom...
Long time no hear....Now is the new Mac the reason why
we havent seen you for a while? :)

I think I have a Mac Star archived somewhere in my pile of
Hp Disks...maybe I can mail you a copy, and/or you can mail me
acopy of the code and we can work on it together...

tell me what you think...
-dave
dcho@engin.umich.edu
From: ssouth@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Steve South)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:13:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: 3 Re: AAA Lithium batteries with the HP-48SX
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

akcs.jwtrav@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (John Wettroth)  writes:

>The only
>advantage they might have would be to surveyors or others that use their
>machines outside at very low temperatures.  Alkalines absolutely puke at
>about -20C, lithiums are good to -40C. 

Hmmm, great. But what is the point of having the HP48 working if the display
won't show you what it's doing? -40C sounds a bit cold for them bulky liquid
crystal molecules. 

Steve South
ssouth@sid.hp.com
From: syspak@charlatan.central.sun.com (Paul Kubinski SE Southwest Chicago)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Using the 48 as a stop watch.
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:54:44 GMT
Reply-To: syspak@charlatan.central.sun.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: charlatan.central.sun.com

Instead of fiddling with the TIME command, you may want to try the
old STPWATCH program. I believe it's still on the hp.cv.bbs. I use 
it occasionally and am pretty satisfied.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley)
Subject: Re: wow!!!(new software from overseas)
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:28:45 GMT

How about posting them here?

		William Moxley
		mox@vpnet.chi.il.us

From: akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Moving directories (was: Re: some general questions for HP48)
Message-ID: <2b53457b.2613.4comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Jurgen N.E. Bos writes that recalling the contents of a directory to the
stack, purging the original directory, and then storing it in a new place
can loose your directory.  Well, I just tried it and it worked fine.  I
initially thought that it might cause a problem also.  But, I think what
must happen is that when PGDIR goes through and purges each variable in
the directory, it sees that the variable is referenced on the stack,
copies that object to TEMPOB area and updates the reference.  

That's the only thing I can think of because if I recall a directory's
contents to the stack and then PURGE a variable in the directory, sure
enough, the copy on the stack is changed as well (because the object on
the stack is just a pointer to memory, of course).  It seems that PURGE
does not check for references inside directory objects on the stack.  But
it DOES  seem that PGDIR does this for you.

I seem to recall Joe Horn and Bill Wickes discussing this type of stuff
 and the FPGIDR (I'm not sure if that name is right) program.  I'm not
sure if they touched on this topic, but it's on one of the goodies discs,
if you're interested.

Let me know if I'm off base here.

Bill Levenson

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: cptully@med.unc.edu (Christopher P. Tully,Pathology,62699)
Subject: Re: The "high price" of the HP48!
Reply-To: cptully@med.unc.edu
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:11:32 GMT

Well, I just have to add my $0.02 worth:

When I was a high school sophomore, I was given an HP41CV, which was
stolen my sophomore year of college (~2 months before the HP$* came
out), so I bought the nearest replacement that I could find: the
HP28S.  Yea, the HP28 was over kill - I never used all of its features,
but I used enough to justify its cost (in my book).  Just recently I
found a good deal on an HP48 (a business major had bought w/ printer
for physics class - these are the students who are wasting their money)
and bought an HP48.  Again, I don't use anywhere near all of the
functions of the HP48, but I use enough of it that it is still well
worth the cost in my book.

Quite simply, it depends lots of factors.  There was a girl in my class
who had an HP48 and used as a very glorified credit card size calc!  On
the other hand most of the rest got by with $10 sharps.  But when we
took Methods in Numericl Anaylsis those of us who had HP28s (the HP48
wasn't out yet) had an easier time of it - we still did all of the
calculations by hand (at least I did :), we just didn't have to keep
typing in the same numbers over and over again.

Given my personality, no matter what my major was, I probably would
have bought an HP48 eventuall (possibly after school) just for fun, but
as an engineering major, I find it very useful.  Similarly, the average
english student probably doesn't NEED an HP48 for school or
professional work, but then again, how many students really NEEDED all
those $300-$700 stereos that I see in dorm rooms?

---
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Christopher P. Tully				cptully@med.unc.edu
Univ. of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
CB# 7525					(919) 966-2699
Chapel Hill, NC 27599
*********************************************************************
I get paid for my opinions, but that doesn't mean that UNC or anybody
                     else agrees with them.
From: cvadrgyi@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Boulder DasHP HELP!!!!
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:51:04 GMT
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: henson

In article <2b4c8a58.2584.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>, akcs.levenson@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (william j. levenson) writes:
> Check the mode of transfer.  Make sure all machines are set up for
> binary.  I was able to get boulderdash to work fine.
> 
> Bill Levenson
> 
> I just thought I'd let you know the posting wasn't corrupt.

Could you or perhaps someone else please go through the process step by step...
From extracting from nnews to d/l to the HP to setting up the LIB to runing the
game.

Again thank you very much.
M.G.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: fokp@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Ben Fok the "lemming")
Subject: INIT for HP48?
Keywords: INIT
Reply-To: fokp@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:25:56 GMT

I am just curious.  Can anybody make their calculator run a particular program
when they turn on the calculator?
Thanks


Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: mox@vpnet.chi.il.us (William Moxley)
Subject: Re: Using the 48 as a stop watch.
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:28:37 GMT

cthomas@athena.mit.edu (Michael T Ford) writes:

>HP has a stopwatch program out that is (I believe) freeware.  It usually
>comes with the cable package.  Anyway, I believe you can find it at
>least on the HPBBS in their directory called something to the effect
>of preferred programs.  The telnet to there is hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com

I bought the PDL package.  It didn't come with any programs...  I'll
check it out.

		William Moxley
		mox@vpnet.chi.il.us

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: kevin@rodin.wustl.edu (Kevin Ruland)
Subject: Re: Kermit times out, why?
Organization: Center for Optimization and Semantic Control, Washington University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:23:15 GMT

As a follow up, Kermit seems to do much better when I remove my CMT 128K
memory card.  But like I said before, I've done this a thousand times before.

Kevin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
From: fatri@turing.u-strasbg.FR (fatri -- licence info. --)
Subject: Everlasting Lambda Variables
Organization: UNCW news/mail gateway service
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:47:15 GMT


While programming in sys-rpl I found something unusual.

Usually when a program ends, all the lambda variables are cleared, they 
no longer exist, enen when the program doesn't do it explicitelly
( by the ABND command ).

Here is a little program that allows you to bind something to a lambda
variable that still exist even after a KILL or a CONT.

It takes two arguments , any object from level two and an global name
from level 1.
execute it and then press ON, the program will be aborted but
a lambda variable ( that contains the object in level two ) named the same
as the global name you entered will be existing until you execute 
a ABND command.
 
Unusual isn't it ?

::
 CK2NOLASTWD
 CK&DISPATCH1
 #6
 ::
  ID>LAM
  #1
  DOBIND
  {
   {
    NULL$
    ::
     $ "Press ON"
     NULL$
     EvalNoCK:
     xINPUT
    ;
   }
  }
  InitMenu
  #1#1
  Key>StdKeyOb
  EVAL
 ;
;

begin 644 lambda
M2%!(4#0X+46=+="H&+*/L0($G2W0K@7Y/T!.!W0J0*<"+"I0  "=+<"B A4 
G "57-C<'\N3T705JCZ%,(BLQL!(#*S%@^$#$.J:Q/XYOL!(#*S$ 
 
end


Fatri (fatri@turing.u-strasbg.fr)
From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
Subject: Re: Queries
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:16:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: miser.STEVEV.93Jan11101659
	<1993Jan11.102429.25900@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: University of Oregon Chemistry Stores
NNTP-Posting-Host: miser.uoregon.edu
In-reply-to: shimpei@leland.Stanford.EDU's message of 11 Jan 93 10:24:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.102429.25900@leland.Stanford.EDU>
shimpei@leland.Stanford.EDU (Shimpei Yamashita) writes:

   I'm new to this newsgroup, so forgive me if you went over these points
   before.

   1) For the last several months my HP48SX insists that EVERY
   file I have in it has a checksum of either 0 or 1. Obviously,
   something is wrong; is it something I can fix by some SYSEVAL
   or something?

This is a new question to me.  It sounds like your binary integer
wordsize has been set to 1.  Try 64 STWS and see if the checksums
look right again.  This will also allow you to see the full
return value of TICKS or the proper result of any binary integer
math you do.

   2) Is HP's BBS accessible via Internet?

Yes, at hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com [15.255.72.16].

   3) Is Redundance Fighter really that safe to use?

I have used it for a long time without problems.  Be sure to keep
backup copies of RFU around, though, since if you lose RFU all
your packed data won't be accessible any more.
--
Steve VanDevender 	stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu
"Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the population.
Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of travel, and the
classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."
From: akcs.husty@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com (Ali Persian Momeni)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:40:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Horn8?
Message-ID: <2b48be1e.2554.1comp.sys.hp48.1@hpcvbbs.cv.hp.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48

Hushshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshshsh!!!!

...you are note supposed to mention the g word! 
JKH is still working on it to make it EVEN better than it may now be!

ali.   momeni@vu-vlsi.ee.vil.edu
           woops,........vill.edu