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From: fburton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Burton)
Subject: Re: "Rain Scald"?
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 18:19:59 GMT

Rain scald is caused by the same infectious organism as the mud fever (mud
rash) that my horse had a couple of months ago. You can get rid of it, but
it may take a while - there is no miracle lotion that will clear it up
overnight (at least not that I know of). 

The causal organism is _Dermatophilus congolensis_. This is an
actinomycete, which is a bacterium, not a fungus.

Someone suggested using an iodine wash on the affected areas. That's
probably alright, though there are some other solutions which are less
harsh to living tissue, e.g. povidone-iodine ("tamed" iodine - sold in the
UK with the name Pevidine), chlorhexidine or 0.5% chloramphenicol
solution. 

It's worth bearing in mind that the scabs can often be too thick for
effective treatment unless they are removed, but that wholesale removal
can be very painful. 

The disease bugs resist drying and scabs have been shown to be infective
over 3 months in natural environment. They are also remarkably resistant
to topical agents, such as those mentioned above. So it's important to
remove the scabs to prevent reinfection. However, the affected area may
become extremely painful in which case your horse will resent your efforts
to pick/comb/scrape them off. In severe cases, antibiotics (typically
penicillin plus streptomycin) are useful. Also, I have used Animalintex
dressings to soften scabs around the heels and pastern, making them easier
to remove by picking (yuck!), but not for too many consecutive days, as I
didn't want the bugs to spread and establish themselves in the warm wet
environment under the dressing. 

Eventually, you'll manage to get rid of the scabs and the hair will start
to grow back.  Unfortunately, you'll probably find rain scald recurs the
next wet season. The best (only?) way to prevent it is to keep your
horse's skin from getting too wet and/or muddy. 

--
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From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Pulls like a train!
Date: 10 Nov 1992 14:55:29 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
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Article: 10345 of rec.equestrian
From: juliec@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Julie Chapman)
Subject: Re: Pulls like a train!


> Several people have written, prompting me to make the (usual, necessary)
> clarifications to my initial post: 

[stuff deleted..]

> It's just that he becomes VERY sensitive to the leg after one or two canter
> departs, and then thinks any leg pressure (such as to establish a bend) means
> he should canter, or at least speed up his trot :-). This is what I mean by
> "the longer I ride him, the hotter he gets." - his leg sensitivity increases,
> and he's harder to collect/keep between my leg and hand. He gets very much
> forward of the bridle.

I'm sure you're tired of advice from people who have never even seen 
your horse by now, but....

 Questions (for (further) clarification):
 1. What are your aids for the canter depart?
 2. What level is the horse, again? (you mention 1st level, but you also
    use words like "collect" and "round" which could mean
    you're trying to put him in a frame too early, and put him in a
    frame from front to back. He could resent his neck being squashed
    up.)
 3. Loose rein work is no problem (ie he doesn't get strong
    w/o support) as long as you haven't done any work in a
    frame yet, right? Or was it only after cantering in a
    frame?
 4. What are your aids for a lateral movement...(pick one,
    any one)?
 5. How do you react when he canters when you're asking for
    something else?
    

 As far as Klimke goes, there is a series a video tapes narrated
 by him of his method of training. I've seen parts (but not all)
 of the set, and found it quite good. He says some things very
 well, other times I just want to say, "why don't you just
 say it this way?!!" (which would obviously be much clearer
 in my opinion...which isn't worth .02) Tapes don't tell you
 how it should feel, but I thought I'd just throw that info
 out in case you didn't know about it.

 As long as we're talking about difficulties cantering.....
 I just read de la Gueriniere's book ("father of modern dressage",
 whose techniques are said to be applied unaltered in the Spanish Riding 
 School today (they're not, but...)) and he strongly advocated
 perfecting the horse in piaffe between the pillars *before* he
 *ever* cantered! Interesting, huh?

patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Wrapping/linaments - do you use them?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 11:09:10 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
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In article <1dcdkjINN5tl@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>,
regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
>I'm turning out.  I use Professional Choice wraps when jumping cross country
>because of the concussion.
>


What are these? Are they combination wrap-boots? How do they work?

Thanks!

=gwyn
From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.equestrian.racing
Date: 10 Nov 1992 21:33:54 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
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In article <92315.44929.6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>The question was asked:
>
>>Are there people who would be interested in a news group on horse
>>racing?
>
>No doubt there are! IMHO, Horse Racing is often a huge waste of a beautiful
>animal which often ruins their health at an early age and can border on
>cruelty. Most people interested in Horse Racing are not interested in the
>horses for themselves.
>
>In other word, for my part, no thank you.

 ditto


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From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: de la Gueriniere's book
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:22:34 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
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Several people have asked me if I read french, or if his book was
published in english. Typical american that I am, I obviously
had to wait for the englishh version. To purchase a copy, write to

 Xenophon Press
 1772 Middlehurst Rd
 Cleveland Heights, OH 44118-1648

it is $36.75 and is called _Ecole de Cavalerie_

patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov
From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:22:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Pulls like a train!
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian



Well, I have a suggestion for an exercise which may ( or may not ) help.
My instructor and I used this in retraining a former event horse ( who
had not been properly trained to begin with) who pulled and basically
thought there wasn't a gait between trot and extended canter.
Do your canter transition and the minute that you feel that he is going
too forward and not responding to your half halts, do a circle. If he
can do a 10 meter circle, great. Circle a few times, until you feel he
is listening to you, then continue on. If you consistently do this,
which is basically using the circle to slow and balance him, he may 
learn that he is not going to be able to run through your hands and
escape your leg. He might as well relax and listen. Downward transitions 
may also help. He starts to get fast, you do a downward transition and
re-balance him, then try again. He needs to learn that getting faster, more 
forward and not listening to you is not the desired behavior and that you are 
not going to allow it. Once he understands it should be easier.

Also, if he is pulling remember that it takes two to pull. He can't pull
if you don't keep the contact. You might want to make your contact even
lighter when he starts doing this, but still half halt strongly, even
with both reins, then release. 

Personally, I don't think a bit change is the answer. He needs to learn
how to respond correctly to the bit and your aids. There was a great
article a few years ago in the Chronicle by one of their event
riders/writers on retraining an over-enthusiastic event horse to the aids 
without going to a harsher bit. Unfortunately my copy got thrown out
( If anyone remembers and has a copy I'd love to have one).

Just a few thoughts which may or may not have anything to do with
your problem :-) If you find something that seems to help, apply it
consistently. 


Good Luck

Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA
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From: red@prc.unisys.com (Rebecca Davis)
Subject: Morgan Mare for sale $575
Reply-To: red@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:17:07 GMT

Due to an abundance of unexpected financial problems arriving all at once,
I'm going to have to sell my Morgan mare ASAP.

Here's the scoop:
She lives in Chester County, Pennsylvania, so many of you may want to read no
further.

She's 10 years old, unregistered, 15 hands.  I have had her for a year and
had a wonderful time tooling around the trails on her by myself with no
mishaps, until 4 months ago.  At that point I had to move from the barn where I
was boarding because it was being repossessed by the bank, and switched to pasture
boarding.  Unfortunately, the pasture was farther from my favorite trails,
and to get to them we had to jump one 2.5-ft stone wall and a pile of logs
which weren't high but were about 6 feet wide.  After two weeks of this, my
mare landed wrong on the long jump and bowed a tendon.  The vet said it was
most likely an old injury rebowing.  If that's the case, I had no problems
with her as long as I was not jumping anything higher than the occasional log.
There was also the problem that my riding was only 2 times a week, and to keep
her in good condition she needs 3-4 times a week at least.
(Some of you may remember my post about her bowed tendon several months ago.)

She has been recuperating for the past three months and the vet says she
is ready to start riding again.  However, she'll need to be worked up gradually,
and needs a rider who isn't too hefty (under 140 pounds).  I would actually
be tempted to give her a few more months of easy recovery just to be safe.

If you would like an intelligent Morgan mare who is a wonderful trail horse
and always takes care of her rider, contact me.  I'll miss her, but I don't
want her to go to a home that doesn't appreciate her or know of her tendon
problem.  Wish the previous owner had been so courteous.

Price negotiable.

red@prc.unisys.com

============
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From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: Worried mom update
Keywords: truck horse
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:55:42 GMT

	To everyone who has sent their thoughts, thanks!!!!

	I still havent got her back.But the police called
	My heart dropped to my knees when they told me it WAS
	a bay horse, but it was a gelding not a mare.

	I feel so sorry for the owner though.

	I've called the local breeders,boarders and even the abbatoir.
	No one's seen her or had anyone try to board a pony like Christobel 
	with them.

	Just have to keep waiting,searching and worrying.

	Manda
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From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: THANKS EVERYONE!!!!
Keywords: wire horse
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:00:57 GMT

	Well, we found her at 1930 last night, caught in a fence.
	Fortunately all she has is a cut on her chest and some scrapes
	on her nose and legs. It took about 10 minutes with wire cutters
	to get her loose. We figure that she must have been caught there
	since sometime Tuesday/Wednesday -ish when we had rain and the horses
	go and shelter in the gullies. One of the worst holes is fenced off
	but she had obviously put her head through the wire to graze
	and then gotten caught.

	So she's safely in a hospital paddock,having been given a
	tetanus shot and sprayed with Anti-blu-The white snip on
	her nose is sort of light purple.

	Thanks everyone for sending your support,it was very greatly 
	appreciated- especially in the middle of the night when  I
	was  imagining broken legs.

	Thanks again

	Amanda and Christobel who is a little scratched but ok.

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From: joi@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (JMM)
Subject: Re: Horseless Rider Needs Directions(s)
Organization: AT&T, Denver, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:05:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.150930.20495@yang.earlham.edu> alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>appreciate that.  Anyway, I have a lot of pasture, 10-20 acres of good grass,
>and I rotate my horses a lot.  I feed around 60 bales of decent grass hay a

>There were also some (e-mail) comments about the "if you aren't going to take
>care of your horse, you should have one" comment I made.  This was too strong

Y'know, there seem to be two types of horse people: the type that thinks
that horses need to be protected, babied, and fussed over constantly,
and stalled regularly.  These, IMHO, are the ones that usually yell loudest
about the "proper way" to take care of a horse.  Then there's the other type
that worm their horses regularly, generally make sure they're healthy and
well fed, but figure that nature has adapted horses in such a way that a
little weather ain't gonna hurt 'em, lack of shoes probably won't hurt 'em,
etc.  These are the ones that let their horses decide whether they're
going to be inside or out--and usually the horses decide to be out in all
weather!

A friend of mine in Illinois was appalled because I didn't lock my horse
in a stall every night--"he'll get sick if you leave him out in the weather!"
However, my grandfather's horses only came in to be grained or doctored,
and the philosophy I grew up with "stated" that horses are healthier when
they're not confined.  He also had plenty of pasture and put up his own
hay (northern Maine).

It's too bad that many people will jump to conclusions, but I guess that's
human nature.

(Of course, there's a third type of "horseperson" that neglect their
animals--but are they *really* horse people?)

	Joy Metcalf

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From: rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Ruth Vale)
Subject: Re: Feeding old horses
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:59:27 GMT

In article <9211102349.AA07992@relay1.UU.NET> equestrians@world.std.com writes:
>Your description of undigested grain in the manure is exactly the phrase
>used by a friend who knew something had to be done to help her 24-year-old
>thoroughbred. She started squeezing a few drops of RATION PLUS (by Crump,
>I think) from its eyedropper dispenser onto his grain and is VERY pleased
>with his weight gain (and no longer sees the whole grain in his manure).
>She described RATION PLUS as "yogurt for horses" which acts as a digestive
>aid on the grain so that the horse receives the most benefit from his feed.
>Another participant in the conversation this summer said she had just sent
>away for a sample that was advertised in a horse magazine (free sample and
>a $4.00 handling fee) so you might look in some recent issues of magazines
>to see if you find any coupons...
>
>virginia (athens, ga.)

I will concur on Ration Plus - great stuff and a lot less expensive than
Nature Vet 5 and some of the others I've looked at.  Spring has been on
this since about May.  On only has she put on weight, but she has also
changed for the better in temperament and her skin and feet are much improved.
She's become noticably less "brittle" in temperament, seems to be thinking
through things instead of just reacting like the hot horse she is.  She's
also willing to stand quietly, is less likely to be constantly on the move
and she hangs on to her temper longer.  She also *finishes* her meals instead
of leaving most of it to snack on.

I am not connected to the B.T. Crump, but I've obtained the test results and
spoken with the vet at the lab where the product was developed.  I can
forwarded or post those results if people want them.

Ruth

-- 
=============================================================================
  I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am
    not sure you realize that what you understand is not what I meant.
=========================== rmvale@watnow.uwaterloo.ca ======================
From: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:17:22 GMT
Subject: Re: great post
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

I agree with Katherine.  I think every form of riding should be natural.
They should eliminate any rules which favor 'judging' based on unnatural
'behavior' (I'm leaving myself wide open here) and/or looks.  The thought 
of cutting muscles (neck, tail, whatever) just to score higher in a show 
is absurd to me.  How could anyone who would do these things call themselves 
horse people or horse lovers.  

just a thought
Kim
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 21:51:55 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
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In article <9211120205.AA14371@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> equestrians@world.std.com writes:
>Something that works extraordinarily well for both older and chronically
>underweight horses is sugar beet pulp. Most feed stores stock it in its
>dry pelleted form. ***CAUTION**! Do not, I repeat *DO NOT* feed it to the
>horse in its dry form !



When I stabled near Boston, we fed something that was similar to beet
pulp, but we didn't add water to it.  I guess it was already hydrated
enough not to be a danger.  We fed about the same amount of that as
regular grain and it helped with weight gain.  It was made for cattle,
but I can't remember the name of the stuff.  Does anyone know?  Maybe
Golden Bulkie?  I think they changed the name to something else along
the way.  That would be more convenient, and has the same effect as
far as I know.  We also fed a Calf Manna like supplement which was
supposed to help with weight gain (about 1/4 can per feeding), and I
added oil and molasses to help my leggy TB stay plump.  All this was
in addition to about a 4 to 1 mixture of pellets to sweet feed.  All
the horses and ponies stayed fat on this, and mostly colic-free due to
the high fiber.  And then there were all the apples and carrots.  We
really spoiled them! 

-Sarah Pallas
From: deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Wrapping/linaments - do you use them?
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:42:24 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
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I rather like the smell/feel of Vetrolin and Biegeloil, so I tend
to use a brace bath all over after a hard workout in warmish weather
(and after a soap bath, helps make sure all the suds are out!).  I
sometimes will give a rubdown with liniment after a hard work
but mostly because it seems like a "nice" thing to do rather than
a necessity.

I tend to wrap only if there is an injury or after a really 
hard work (e.g. cross country schooling or competition).  We
often leave the horses wrapped overnight after shipping home from
a show.  The barn I'm at tends to ship in standing wraps rather than
full shipping wraps.

I've used mineral ice and poultice for minor swelling.  I don't
like to wrap overnight as a matter of course, and don't mind
minor stocking-up.  As long as the puffiness goes down as soon
as the horse starts moving around, I don't worry.  If I had a 
horse that tended to blow up like a balloon I might feel 
differently.  I know a lot of people who DO wrap at the slightest
sign of puffiness.

If I'm going to use leg protection for dressage/jumping work in an 
arena, I prefer polo wraps and bell boots if needed.  Polo wraps
are a lot harder to do damage with than old-style exercise
bandages -- not impossible, mind you!  For cross country, I like
Ulster galloping boots all around, plus bell boots.  Pull-on's
are best, but I've had good luck (and more intact knuckles) with
double velcro.  For trail rides where the terrain is likely
to be challenging, I use splint or gallping boots and bells.
When we used to have to wade the LA river to get to the trails,
some of the horses went out in Saratoga bandages.  These are VERY
elastic wraps with a silicone bead that prevents slippage.  They
offer a LOT of support and are good in water, but I imagine you
could easily hurt a horse if you weren't experienced at wrapping.

My 2 cents!

Debbie
deblev@ipac.caltech.edu
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From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: Some good thoughts please
Keywords: horse missing
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:28:53 GMT

	This is one rather anxious horse-mom tonight, Christobel
	has gone missing.. I've searched thne area around the paddocks
	and still cant find her.. Called the police and there was a horse 
	killed on the highway. I'm waiting for them to call back with 
	the details. Tomorrow I'm going back to look for her again.

	So if anyone is owed some favours by luck.. Please reccomend 
	me.

	Manda MacKinnell

	Very worried about Christobel.
From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:45:36 GMT
Subject: Re: arthritis
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

>
>
>Hi Tara,
>
>Obviously a vet would have to evaluate this particular horse, but if
>you're not looking for jumping or endurance material, arthritis should
>not be a deal-killer.  The advice I've consistenly seen is that keeping
>an arthritic horse or human active lengthens their active life--sort of
>a use-it-or-lose-it situation.  
>
>My case history:  We got Quiche 2 years ago with known arthritis in 
>right knee--can barely bend leg 90 degrees, and not that on a cold day
>before warming up.  She's been a great trail horse on the local hills--
>just doesn't like going down as much as going up.  We started her on 
>Flex-Free this summer to slow joint deterioration, and I intend to start 
>using bute on days I work her this winter.  This mare is so willing to 
>"go" that it's easy to dismiss the more subtle signs of discomfort, and 
>her regular rider tends to miss the subtleties (or maybe I'm overly protective).
>I want to keep Quiche going until she tells me she's had enough. 
>
>Your bottom-line may be: "Can we get enough use out of this mare to 
>justify the feed/vet bills?"  What will managing condition cost?  Decide 
>that before you take her and people start getting attached. 
>
I think this last part pretty much covers it. It's a trade off between
use and cost. If you can't canter her on cold days, will that work in
your program? A good vet might be able to give you a better idea of how
advanced the arthritis is and what luck you might have in managing it.
There are a lot of useful but arthritic horses doing their job quite
well with good care. As Sallijan says, many of them do better with more
exercise.

On the management side, I don't know anything about Flex Free, but I do
personally know three people who swear by MSM for their older arthritic
horses. One says she can tell the difference if her horse has been off 
the stuff for even a few days. Sallijan, what has your experience with the
Flex Free been? Does it seem to be helping?
Just curious.


Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA


>Good luck!
>
>-Sallijan
From: ae361@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sonya Paetzel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: RE:for sale
Date: 8 Nov 1992 13:53:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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TB stands for Thoroughbred
sonja
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