From: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray)
Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: interesting [and scary] blurb...
Date: 31 Dec 1992 18:02:11 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray)
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In a previous article, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) says:

>In article <1hu44gINNjet@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) writes:
>
>>In a previous article, VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) says:
>>
>>>In article <1992Dec30.184941.6791@mksol.dseg.ti.com> noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
>>>
>>>>In article <1992Dec30.174740.18045@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>
>>>>That is a completely
>>>>unsubstantiated assertion.
>>>
>>>        Abuses of organ donation, harvesting, and allocation abound and have 
>>>been documented in a great many cases in a great many places.  They happen, 
>>>and they are a problem.
>>
>>They probably do happen...but "a great many cases ina great many places"?
>>Sorry, I work inthis field, and you do not know what you are talking about.
>>They do happen, I am sure, but it is a rare occurrence, and not by any
>>stretch of the imagination "a problem".
>
>         What is "this field?"  Further, currently if my father 
>dies and he doesn't have a donor card and his eyes and liver are 
>taken out and spirited away, I'm likely to want to know exactly 
>what's going on.  Under this new "system" I not only will never 
>know, but I'll be told I have no business knowing.  The regardless 
>of the current state of affairs (and it does happen, and it is a 
>problem when it does) the possibility of abuse increases 
>exponentially.          
>
I take this non-answer to mean that you do not actually have any evidence that
there is widespread abuse of the organ donor system, and that your previous
claim was hyperbole.
>
>>>        I have no idea, but "all the time" is not the issue.  
>>
>>Wait a sec...just a few paragraphs back you claimed that abuse of the organ
>>donor system was widespread...now you admit you don't know, and suddenly
>>it "is not an issue".
>
>	I said abuses of the organ donor system was often abused.  That's a 
>different thing that "all the time," which implies in virtually every case,
>and it's not *that* much of a problem.
>	And something does not need to happen "all the time" in order to be
>both a concern and a problem.
>
No, it doesn't have to happen all the time...but it does have to happen more
than once in a blue moon.  Again, I ask you for evidence that this is the
case.
>
>
>	
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>David Veal               University of Tennessee Div. of Cont. Education
>                         Information Services Group
>PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu  (Mail to VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu will bounce.)
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The opinions expressed by the author are insightful, intelligent and very
carefully thought out.  It is therefore unlikely that they are shared by the
University of Iowa or Case Western Reserve University.
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