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Subject: Nazi Armenians (Dro, Boyadjian, Nezhdeh) Sided With The Germans, 'Mil*.'
Date: 8 Apr 92 05:45:00 GMT


<1992Apr05.224640.19827@microsoft.com>
marcmil@microsoft.com (Marc MILANINI)

>>Not according to a Nazi Armenian called 'Hamparsum Boyadjian' who
>>is responsible for the genocide of Turkish people in 1914.

>Interesting. Was he already Nazi in 1914 ? Or is it just you,
>Mr Mutlu-famous-historian, that qualifies him of Nazi ?

Your ignorance simply cramps my conversation, 'Milanini.'

Source: Walker, Christopher: "Armenia: The Survival of a Nation."
        New York (St. Martin's Press), 1980.

This generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information
of direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust: 

a) Dro (the butcher), the former Dictator of the Armenian Dictatorship and
the architect of the Genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, the most 
respected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional 
Republic in Berlin during World War II; 

b) this 'provisional government' fully endorsed and espoused the social 
theories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members 
of the Aryan 'Super-Race;' 

c) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves 
with the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and, 

d) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side 
by side with the Wehrmacht.
 
In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established a vast network 
of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two continents. Thousands 
of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS in Russia and 
Western Europe. Armenians were involved in espionage and fifth-column 
activities for Hitler in the Balkans and Arabian Peninsula. They were 
promised an 'independent' state under German 'protection' in an agreement 
signed by the 'Armenian National Council.' (A copy of this agreement can 
be found in the 'Congressional Record,' November 1, 1945; see Document 1.) 
On this side of the Atlantic, Nazi Armenians were aware of their brethrens 
alliance. They had often expressed pro-Nazi sentiments until America entered 
the war.

The Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as 
follows:[1]

"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)
 when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it 
 becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon
 method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical
 operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing." 

In 1941, while the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi
concentration camps, the Armenian volunteers in Germany formed the first
Armenian battalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion 
had grown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of the
former guerilla leader Dro (the butcher), who was the former dictator of the
short-lived Armenian Dictatorship (1918-1920) and the architect of the 
cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920.
An Armenian National Council was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party 
leaders in Berlin, which was recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by 
this, the Armenians summarily formed a provisional government that endorsed 
and espoused fully the principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the 
members of the Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of 
extermination of the Jews.

This Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an "encore"
performance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and
exterminated 2.5 million Turks by colluding with the invading Russian army.

[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian
    Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:
    June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.

That Nazi Armenians like Dro 'the Butcher,' Boyadjian and Nezhdeh sided
with the Germans probably had an impact on the decision of Armenians who 
overwhelmingly opted for armed service. In fall 1942, the Armenian infantry 
battalions 808 and 809 were formed, to be followed by battalions 810, 
812 and 813 in spring 1943. In the second half of 1943 infantry battalions 
814, 815 and 816 were created. These battalions together with other 
indigenous Caucasian units were attached to the infantry division 162. 
Also attached to ID 162 were the field battalions II/9, I/125 and I/198 
which were formed between May 1942 and May 1943. Altogether twelve Armenian 
battalions served the Nazi army, if battalion II/73, which was not employed 
at any time, is to be included.[1] Most battalions were commanded by Nazi 
Armenian officers. Armenians wore German uniforms with an armband in the 
Dashnag colours red-blue-orange and the inscription 'Armenien.'

[1] Joachim Hoffmann, 'Dies Ostlegionen 1941-1943, Turkotataren, 
    Kaukasier und Wolgafinned im deutschen Heer,' (Verlag Rombach
    Freiburg 1976), p. 172.

>I challenge you to show me a trustworthy source (i.e. not from
>Istambul, please) 

What is your problem with the 'Ottoman Archives,' 'Milanini?'
After all, it is called 'The Turkish Genocide.'

>qualifying him of Nazi, or simply stating
>that this guy has committed atrocities. 
>A paper from a referred review would be enough.

I just did. Leading the first Armenian units who crossed the Ottoman 
border in the company of the Russian invaders was the former Ottoman 
Parliamentary representative for Erzurum, Karekin Pastirmaciyan, who 
assumed the revolutionary name Armen Garo. Another former Ottoman 
parliamentarian, Hamparsum Boyaciyan, led the Armenian guerrilla forces 
who ravaged Turkish villages behind the lines under the nickname 
"Murad", especially ordering that 

 "Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the 
  Armenian nation." 

Another former Member of Parliament, Papazyan, led the Armenian 
guerrilla forces that ravaged the areas of Van, Bitlis and Mush.

In March 1915, the Russian forces began to move toward Van. Immediately,
in April 11, 1915 the Armenians of Van began a revolt, massacring all 
the Turks in the vicinity so as to make possible its quick and easy 
conquest by Russians. Little wonder that Czar Nicholas II sent a 
telegram of thanks to the Armenian Revolutionary Committee of Van in 
April 21, 1915, "thanking it for its services to Russia." The Armenian 
newspaper Gochnak, published in the United States, also proudly 
reported in May 24, 1915 that "only 1,500 Turks remained in Van the rest 
having been slaughtered."

>>Join the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle, 'Meriin.'

>Must 've hit a nerve, eh ?

Interesting. Probably not what you expect me to say.

>>                         ARF/SDPA/ASALA Terrorists <91@urartu.UUCP>

>Coming from terrorists, this has nothing of surprising, especially
>since you must have thrown this quote (do you care to provide us
>with a source for this one, or are you tired of typing 100 times
>the same things. No, you use macros, don't you ?) in various
>newsgroups dozens of times.

Well spoken; <91@urartu.UUCP>. 

>Since when a secret service is supposed to collaborate with another
>country ? 

Is this the joke of the week?

>Yes, since it is so easy to kill someone in a French prison, probably
>the French governemnent didn't want to endanger Garabedian's life.

Anyone care to speculate on this?

>Only Abu Nidal ? I thought Adolf Hitler was behind it too.

Nazi Armenians were behind it, as well.

>>"La Matin, the influential Paris daily, based on unidentified sources,

>It is "Le Matin", not "La Matin". So influential it sank sometime ago,

See the original reference.

>Never mind... As for the sources, I suggest that Mr Cosar could be the 
>way to go.

I sure hope so.

>I think he has also participated to the Turkish genocide in 1914...

Boyadjian, Dro, Antranik, Silikian and Papazian were enough in 1914.

>> Le Matin 

Any more corrections? Nope?

>And sometimes, he also resides in a French prison, for his vacations,
>I suppose.

If that is the only argument you have with the article, then why even
bother? 

>Probably you think that Conan the Barbarian is Armenian too ?

Have you lost your 'rabbit?'

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

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