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Subject: aqua Santa Barbara
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:43:25 +0000


In article <1gbkvpINNsf3@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> you write:

>
>>>Why don't we just cut it off at the southern border of Santa Barbara County? 
>>>We get really tired of you LA people stealing our water all the time...  :)
>>
>>Where does Santa Barbara get its water?
>>
>>-- 
>>Rafael Romo romo@netcom.com ---
>
>Santa Barbara, i just learned, takes care of itself when it comes to water.
>This includes its own resoviour and a desaltnation plant.


That's why SB has suffered the most in the recent drought.  Rationing was 
polically correct, and carried huge fines for the decadant, since one of 
those lakes went dry a few years ago, the other was down to about 20% 
capacity.  That's when the City decided to give up on the idea of towing 
iceburgs from Alaska and put up the cash to build a desalination plant 
(1990).  

The latest I've heard is that the desalination plant won't be online for 
another year or so.  But the rains over the last season did fill up one 
of the resevoirs. :-}

Santa Barbara has _never_ had state water, and most likely never will. 
Who wants to to be responsible to Sacramento over water?  They don't
have it anyway.

Charles
(A emigrant Santa Barbaran who moved to England to take a shower...)
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Newsgroups: alt.california
From: bible@iastate.edu (Anthony E Bible)
Subject: Re: Parking ticket in CA
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:51:43 GMT

In article <ostubble.725731653@uclagsm> ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III) writes:
>
>My last experience with a parking ticket:
>
>I bought a car in July of 1991.  I parked it at UCLA.  Because the 
>salesman folded the temporary registration sticker so the expiration 
>date did not show, I got a ticket.  I never paid the ticket, and I 
>attempted to have it written off after I got my registration, but I
>failed because Parking Enforcement wanted to see the temporary sticker,
>which I after when I got the permanent registration.  I decided I would
>pay when I got a notice that I was near the due date.  
>
>Well, that notice did not appear until late August 1992.  It said pay
>$20 by Sept 8, or $50 afterwards.  I didn't have the money so I decided
>to wait and pay $50 later.  In October, I got a notice saying that if I
>did not pay, the $50 would be added to my registration fees for next year.
>Ok, I'll pay it when I renew.  In November, I got a notice threatening me
>with JAIL TIME if I did not pay up.  I decided to pay and save myself the
>embarrasment of having the police come to my house and take me to jail
>for a parking ticket.
>
>

	This posting reminded me of the experience a co-worker in Palo Alto had
several years ago.  He had taken a business trip to Boston where he received a
parking ticket on the rental car.  He chucked it, and returned to California.
Some weeks later he got a letter from the Boston police demanding the ticket be
paid.  He chucked it.  More letters followed with progressively sterner
warnings.  He finally wrote on one of the letters:  DECEASED.  Return to Sender
That was the last he heard from them.  Probably not a reliable procedure, but I
thought it was kind of funny.

Regards,
tony
From: G.Coulter@Daresbury.AC.UK (-Gary Coulter-)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Emigration to US/CA
Date: 22 Dec 92 15:05:45 GMT
Reply-To: G.Coulter@Daresbury.AC.UK
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

I am comming up to my finals in a BSc (HONS) Computer Science degree in about
12 months. At the moment I am trying to gather some information about moving
over to California. Now I have a few questions and I woundered if any of you 
kind poeple out there would spare a few minutes to ansswer some of them. I
would greately appreciate any info and any advice on the rationality of the
proposed move.

(1) ... Will I struggle getting work after graduating over here with a
        good degree in computer science. I would like to work in animation
        & graphics although I am flexible I am also interested in movie
        special effects.

(2) ... Is it easy to come over to CA. from the UK visa/imigration wise
        and is it relatively easy to get a work permit. 

(3) ... Cost of living? Cost of houses/flats/appartments to buy & Rent?
        just on average.

(4) ... Any other general advice that you may have would also be very
        very wellcome.

You see the job situation is not that good over here at the moment and
coupled with the fact that there are not that many computer firms here
I thought that it would be nice to seek employment in the USA.

Thanks Again for any info ....
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: uhde@ollie.jsc.nasa.gov (Jo Uhde)
Subject: Mark Hurwitz @ Berkeley ????
Organization: NASA/ Johnson Space Center
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:14:44 GMT

Howdy Y'all,

I'm trying to find Mark Hurwitz who works on Shuttle Payloads at Berkeley.
He reponded to one of my posts here last month, and I'd like to say
"thank you" and tell him how the trip turned out.

The e-mail address which I had been using for him is
markh@ssl.Berkeley.Edu

The mail DAEMON at Berkeley now spits at me when I try to use this address.

Thanks in advance for any help.

DrJo
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: UPS500@rhrz.uni-bonn.de
Subject: Political Science Students&Profs, this is 4U
Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 14:35:12 MEZ

Hello everyone!
 
Being relatively new to the internet, I am still fascinated with the
possibilities of the medium.
 
What I have been thinking about, being student to that discipline myself,
is whether there are mailing lists for political scientists, or whether
it would not be worth the while creating one, just in case there aren't.
 
Should any of you read this and be interested in creating such a forum,
meaning to discuss the ever accelerating changes in politics as the news
breaks, please e-mail me, giving a short discription of
 
-> what already IS available to your knowledge,
-> what your personal interests for topics of discussion are,
-> whether you would like to try creating a group and would like tohelp
   in maintaining it.
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Markus Schlegel (is ups500@rhrz.uni-bonn.de)
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Parking ticket in CA
Date: 2 Jan 93 09:16:28 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <C020FB.KoJ.2@cs.cmu.edu> qma+@CS.CMU.EDU (Qingming Ma) writes:
}One of my friend got a parking ticket while she was visiting SF Bay area  
}(Palo Alto) sometime ago.
}
}Hurried to leave, she did not pay the ticket before leaving. When got back, 
}she could not find the ticket. 
}
}(She did not remember the car plate either, because it was a rental car. 

This has happened to me twice before, and once was when I was visiting
San Jose prior to moving here. National Rental Car paid the ticket (they
got the ticket since they were the registered owner of the car), and 
sent me a bill for it. Your friend can probably expect to get a bill from
her rental car company, but she should probably call the company to make
sure that is what will happen.
-- 
Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721			'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
From: sylanov@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Christine V Sylanov)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: SIG-alert question.
Date: 30 Dec 1992 01:19:00 -0500
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
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	Does anyone know the origin of the term SIG-alert?
For those who don't know, a SIG-alert is what traffic reporters
use to indicate a tie-up on a freeway.
	I have heard 2 explanations:
	     SIG is short for "signal".  
	     
	     A well-known traffic reporter was named Sigmund,
and he used to do traffic alerts which became known as "SIG-alerts".


	I have wondered about this for many many years 
(I am a Southern California native).


	Many Thanks!  And stay away from those SIG-alerts!



-- 
	Christine Sylanov	sylanov@function.mps.ohio-state.edu 

	I keep quite busy just trying to conceal the fact that
	   I don't know what I'm doing.     A. Brilliant
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: rbeban@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Richard Beban)
Subject: Re: SIG-alert question.
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:22:54 GMT

The second hypothesis is the correct one, according to a story in the LA
Times within the last few years.  The "Sig" was a highway department
employee apparently responsible for feeding information on highway
conditions to the media, which honored him with the expression SigAlert.  I
presume a search in the National Newspaper Index or through whatever
electronic database you can come up with would reveal the story in the
Times.
        
I suggest narrowing the search to the last two years of Times.  I know the
story was that recent.
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSMSETS)
Subject: Re: aqua Santa Barbara
Date: 29 Dec 92 12:08:25 PST

In article <725656242snz@chaz.demon.co.uk>, on 29 Dec 1992 18:43:25 +0000,
Ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk (Charles Ashley) writes:

>
>
>That's why SB has suffered the most in the recent drought.  Rationing was
>polically correct, and carried huge fines for the decadant, since one of
>those lakes went dry a few years ago, the other was down to about 20%
>capacity.  That's when the City decided to give up on the idea of towing
>iceburgs from Alaska and put up the cash to build a desalination plant
>(1990). 
>
>The latest I've heard is that the desalination plant won't be online for
>another year or so.  But the rains over the last season did fill up one
>of the resevoirs. :-}
>
>Santa Barbara has _never_ had state water, and most likely never will.
>Who wants to to be responsible to Sacramento over water?  They don't
>have it anyway.

The desalination plat is ready to go but is off line because they don't
need it right now (water from there costs about 10 times that of their
lake water). The reason S.B. doesn't use state water is because this
would cause the local government to lose control over the growth in
the area. S.B. city is forcing UCSB to spend (I think) $2 million +
on a pipeline from the campus to a local swamp to pump recycled water
back into the water table so the UC can expand its campus. I think this
is a resonable thing to do to the UC and to businesses but they are
totally ignoring the 'farmers' that are wasting water on avicado
trees (where they aren't harvesting the avicados) so when the price
goes up enough on their land they can sell it off to a developer,
show the city the water bills (at agricultural prices) and claim that
400 people living here would use oh so much LESS water! Its all
Bull Sh*T pollitics to me.

I think the best description of pollitics was given by a comedian,
if you break words up you can get their reall meanings -
Pollitics - polli (polly) = many, tics (ticks) = small blood sucking
    insects.....

         Thats my two bits,
              --Ed
From: soulcatc@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: S.F. Bay Internet Access?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 19:45:53 PST
Reply-To: soulcatc@cyberden.sf.ca.us
Organization: Indescribable Creations

knopoff+@pitt.edu (Steven N Knopoff) writes:

> 
> 	
> A friend of friend lives in San Francisco and is seeking Internet
> access. If you know of some non-profit organization or university in
> the Bay Area (preferably a local phone call from S.F.) that sells accounts 
> on their machine for a reasonable yearly or semi-annual fee, please send me 
> email (knopoff@unix.cis.pitt.edu) with the details (i.e., the name of 
> organization, name of a person to contact, person's phone number and postal 
> address, cost).
> 
> Thanks for your help....
> 	

The SF Bay area is a fertile ground for Public Access Unix systems.  
depending on which part of the Bay Area he is moving to (East Bay, SF, 
San Jose), and his needs (telnet/ftp or simply mail/feeds), he has plenty 
of options. In SF/North Bay, the WELL (ftp/telnet), and Cyberden 
(feed/mail only) are great choices. In the Easy Bay, Terrapin Transit and 
HoloNet are excellent places to try.  In the South Bay, I know at least 
of NetCom, and I believe there are others.  He'll love it here, unless he 
spends all of his time on Net, as yoU7re prone to do when you have so 
many inexpensive/free options!

Soulcatcher (Paul)

__________________________________________________________________________
   |       /         |\
   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N            [ soulcatc@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]
From: henrya@ucs.orst.edu (Jean-Luc Picard)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: House for Sale
Date: 1 Jan 1993 01:18:38 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu

House for sale in Tacoma-Lakewood area, Washington!!

Nice ranch style home on 1/2 acre lot!  3 large bedrooms, 2 full baths, and
a huge family room with a large brick fireplace.  2 car garage plus a
19'x 12' bonus room (for an office or hobbies).

Completely fenced backyard with beautiful wood deck. VERY PRIVATE!

Nice residential area, but in walking distance to shopping mall and schools.

asking: $129,500

For more information on this home, or for any real estate needs, call:

Johanna Henry at (206) 588-0837, or (800) 829-8352
From: judy@nepac.ucsd.edu (judy)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Hotel Prices where to stay cheaply in CA ???
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:45:46 GMT
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There are youth hostels around California that are probably the most
affordable.
Campgrounds also are pretty good, but some fill up and require
reservations!!!!
Another alternative is the "apartment motel" that has kitchenettes - if
you're
willing to make your own food to save some money.  There actually is a
nice, old,
a bit funky, one here in La Jolla (the Shell Beach motel/apts)... which
has rooms
of varying prices, right across from the cove, and downtown so you could
walk
everywhere.  (price range I believe was $50-up, which is cheap for a
kitchenette
in downtown LJ across from the water!)...
Some places are cheaper on weekends because they handle mostly business
travelers.
Good luck!
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: ostubble@agsm.ucla.edu (Otha Stubblefield III)
Subject: Re: Parking ticket in CA
Date: 30 Dec 92 08:17:50 PST

qma+@CS.CMU.EDU (Qingming Ma) writes:

>One of my friend got a parking ticket while she was visiting SF Bay area  
>(Palo Alto) sometime ago.

>Hurried to leave, she did not pay the ticket before leaving. When got back, 
>she could not find the ticket. 

>(She did not remember the car plate either, because it was a rental car. 
>I believe she can trace the car plate by calling the car rental.)

>Does anyone know what can happen if she just does not pay the ticket? What
>phone number she can call to check out the parking ticket number?

>Please send your reply to this account since she has no computer access.

>Thanks,

>Qingming

My last experience with a parking ticket:

I bought a car in July of 1991.  I parked it at UCLA.  Because the 
salesman folded the temporary registration sticker so the expiration 
date did not show, I got a ticket.  I never paid the ticket, and I 
attempted to have it written off after I got my registration, but I
failed because Parking Enforcement wanted to see the temporary sticker,
which I after when I got the permanent registration.  I decided I would
pay when I got a notice that I was near the due date.  

Well, that notice did not appear until late August 1992.  It said pay
$20 by Sept 8, or $50 afterwards.  I didn't have the money so I decided
to wait and pay $50 later.  In October, I got a notice saying that if I
did not pay, the $50 would be added to my registration fees for next year.
Ok, I'll pay it when I renew.  In November, I got a notice threatening me
with JAIL TIME if I did not pay up.  I decided to pay and save myself the
embarrasment of having the police come to my house and take me to jail
for a parking ticket.


Newsgroups: alt.california
From: gary@resumix.portal.com (Gary M. Lin)
Subject: Re: Parking ticket in CA
Organization: Resumix Inc.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 00:04:36 GMT

markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz) writes:
>I don't think the Police would be come to your door, and haul you off to
>jail, but if you were stopped by a police officer for a traffic violation,
>then you would be in danger of going to jail.

No kidding, that's what happened to someone I know.  Spent three days before
they cleared the paperwork before they let him go.

- GL
From: jost@jake.prz.tu-berlin.de (Jost)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Emigration to US/CA
Date: 23 Dec 92 11:18:02 GMT
Organization: TU-Berlin TUBKOM, Germany

In article <1992Dec22.150545.24919@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> G.Coulter@Daresbury.AC.UK writes:
>At the moment I am trying to gather some information about moving
>over to California. 
>
>(1) ... Will I struggle getting work after graduating over here with a
>        good degree in computer science. 

ever heard that the US are in a recession, california is maybe even in a 
depression and that the computer/software industry is in serious
trouble worldwide?????? 

>(2) ... Is it easy to come over to CA. from the UK visa/imigration wise
>        and is it relatively easy to get a work permit. 

BUUUUHHHHHHAAAAAAAUUUHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!!
thanks for this one, havent laughed like this for years. 
better read alt.visa.us and learn.
(P.S VERY GOOD CHANCE if you are irish!!!! -serious- )
>
>(3) ... Cost of living? Cost of houses/flats/appartments to buy & Rent?
>        just on average.

somewhere out there in the desert, lancaster area or in the death valley 
prices for housing are still reasonably cheap. unfortunatly jobs are
rare out there. all metropolitan areas (LA, SF, SD) can be considered
expensive for housing. (even though prices for houses dropped last 
year due to the recession) 

>You see the job situation is not that good over here at the moment and

nor is it better anywhere else

>coupled with the fact that there are not that many computer firms here
>I thought that it would be nice to seek employment in the USA.
>
nice, yes, permanent vacation in hawaii would be nice as well. 

>Thanks Again for any info ....
you're welcome

jost
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: S.F. Bay Internet Access?
From: knopoff+@pitt.edu (Steven N Knopoff)
Date: 1 Jan 93 20:13:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: knopoff@unixd3.cis.pitt.edu


	
A friend of friend lives in San Francisco and is seeking Internet
access. If you know of some non-profit organization or university in
the Bay Area (preferably a local phone call from S.F.) that sells accounts 
on their machine for a reasonable yearly or semi-annual fee, please send me 
email (knopoff@unix.cis.pitt.edu) with the details (i.e., the name of 
organization, name of a person to contact, person's phone number and postal 
address, cost).

Thanks for your help....
	
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: S.F. Bay Internet Access?
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 06:06:29 GMT

and tell me too (when you find out!)
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: Parking ticket in CA
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:54:17 GMT

I don't think the Police would be come to your door, and haul you off to
jail, but if you were stopped by a police officer for a traffic violation,
then you would be in danger of going to jail.
Newsgroups: alt.california
From: qma+@CS.CMU.EDU (Qingming Ma)
Subject: Parking ticket in CA
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:59:34 GMT

One of my friend got a parking ticket while she was visiting SF Bay area  
(Palo Alto) sometime ago.

Hurried to leave, she did not pay the ticket before leaving. When got back, 
she could not find the ticket. 

(She did not remember the car plate either, because it was a rental car. 
I believe she can trace the car plate by calling the car rental.)

Does anyone know what can happen if she just does not pay the ticket? What
phone number she can call to check out the parking ticket number?

Please send your reply to this account since she has no computer access.

Thanks,

Qingming
From: std_u22c@uni-duesseldorf.de (verehrte(r) Benutzer(in))
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Hotel Prices where to stay cheaply in CA ???
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:59:14 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf
NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.99.8.55

Hello !!


I'm a student of economics here in germany and would like to 
tour California in about 2 month's . 
So I would be grateful , if anyone could give me some tips on
stying cheaply in California. What a the hotelprices like ?
Is it possible to use camp-sites at this time of year ? 
What do they cost ?

Any information welcomed !
Please post to this group as I have no private e-mail address.

Thanks
Uwe Gerono
Oberbilker Allee 101
D-4000 Duesseldorf 1
Germany
Newsgroups: alt.california
(Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0n7IFk-0000wqC; Wed, 30 Dec 92 21: 15 PST
From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: Chicken Boy Los Angles
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 20:13:51 PST

This is a new one! 

ProLine:  rsopicki@pro-amber
Internet: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com
UUCP:     crash!pro-amber!rsopicki
From: Rick.Ellis@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Parking ticket in CA
X-Sender: newtout 0.06 Jan  3 1993
Date: 03 Jan 93  19:32:52

On <Dec 31 19:32> Mark Panitz writes:

 MP> I don't think the Police would be come to your door, and haul you off to
 MP> jail, but if you were stopped by a police officer for a traffic 
 MP> violation, then you would be in danger of going to jail.

Not for a parking ticket unless you signed for it.
From: sobelman@cco.caltech.edu (Steven M. Sobelman )
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Hotel Prices where to stay cheaply in CA ???
Date: 27 Dec 1992 13:40:37 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

It really depends on how you plan to get around.  Are you biking? hiking?
renting a car? renting a camper?

Hostels are a nice way to see the state, but there are a lot of wonderful
places that don't have a hostel around for miles.  There are a number of chains
of cheap, clean motels (under $30/night).  Motel 6 is probably the biggest.
If you are in a camper, you can get a spot at campground for anywhere from
around $10, for a state run facility, to around $30 for a private place with
nice bathrooms and swimming pools.  They do tend to get full on weekends, but
during the week they ususally have room.  You can also make reservations to
make sure there is space, and at the time of year you are traveling you should
not need to make them more than a day or two in advance.

If you are biking or hiking and carrying camping gear, many of the campgrounds 
have places to pitch a tent for a small fee.  The National Parks, like Yosemite
and Death Valley, also have designated camping areas, usually for free, but
you might have to pay to get into the park (you will definitely have to pay if
you are driving).

Steve Sobelman

Newsgroups: alt.california