HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aaron@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Aaron Schrab)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Lost files on desktop. Why?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:15:26 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

In article <k+l22yh@rpi.edu> monitn@rs6414.ecs.rpi.edu (Nicholas Monitto) writes:
>bmueller@mis.mcw.edu writes:
>
>>Netters...
>>   A friend had some files on the desktop. The machine failed and
>>required a logic board replacement. When he received the repaired
>>machine, he booted up and found the files to be gone.
>>	
>>Could it be that this is stored in nonvolatile RAM (eg, PRAM) and
>>that installation of the new logic board is responsible for the
>>loss of the files that way? If not, what might be the explanation?
>
>I don't think that's how it works. I don't remember what 'Get Info' on a 
>desktop file does (since I'm away from my Mac right now), but I believe that
>files on the desktop [that's what I meant to say above] are stored on the
>startup HD (or any HD, I only have 1).

I believe that desktop files can be on any volume, because when you just drag a file from an unlocked floppy onto the desktop if you then unmount the disk the
file will disappear along with the disk.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: haase@meediv.lanl.gov (Peter Haase)
Subject: LaserWriter Utility - Apple please add password
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:13:34 GMT

Is there a way to set a Password on Apple LaserWriters so hackers on the
Net cannot run LaserWriter Utility and rename and reconfigure printers??
It is pretty easy for anybody to obtain Apple's LaserWriter Utility. I 
would have thought that something like that would have been implemented
within the LW Utility by now. 

<==================================+==================================>
  Peter Haase                      +    Internet: haase@meediv.lanl.gov
  Network Manager/MEE-Division     +    Applelink: HAASE
  Los Alamos National Laboratory   +    Phone: 505-667-2684

"The opinions expressed in this message are my own and do not necessarily
 reflect those of Los Alamos National Laboratory"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zach, the Lego Maniac)
Subject: Re: PowePC Chip emulation, Why 68020??
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:13:16 GMT

cconstantine@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:

>Does anyone out there know why Apple chose to emulate a M68020 for its' PowerPC
>chip for software compatability instead of at lease a 68030 which can do
>virtula Memory and was the most stable chip (as far as software compatability
>went) of the bunch????

Prob. because a 68020 can do virtual with a 68851 chip, which will
prob. also be emulated. as will the coprossor. Plus the mac's memory
will have to go threw the rs6000 memory manger.

Zach
zkessin@cs.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Lost files on desktop. Why?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:27:12 GMT

In article <k+l22yh@rpi.edu> monitn@rs6414.ecs.rpi.edu (Nicholas Monitto) writes:
>bmueller@mis.mcw.edu writes:
>
>>Netters...
>>   A friend had some files on the desktop. The machine failed and
>>required a logic board replacement. When he received the repaired
>>machine, he booted up and found the files to be gone.
>>	
>>Could it be that this is stored in nonvolatile RAM (eg, PRAM) and
>>that installation of the new logic board is responsible for the
>>loss of the files that way? If not, what might be the explanation?
>
>I don't think that's how it works. I don't remember what 'Get Info' on a 
>desktop file does (since I'm away from my Mac right now), but I believe that
>files on the desktop [that's what I meant to say above] are stored on the
>startup HD (or any HD, I only have 1).

Not quite. Anything on the Desktop (with the exception of the Trash Can
and any volume icons) is actually kept in an invisible (under
System 7) folder called "Desktop Folder" on the volume they were
stored or created in. Therefore, they are still connected to whatever volume
they were moved from. That's why if you, for example, drag Microsoft Word
to the desktop to use, you can hit cmd-Y (Put Away) to return it to its
folder. The Desktop is an amalgamation of whatever resides in the Desktop
Folders of any and all mounted volumes (CD-ROMs, Hard Drvies, Disks, etc.)
The one exception is folders and files created on the Desktop itself. They are
created in the Desktop Folder of your startup disk.

As for what caused your problem, if the servicer removed the
aforementioned Desktop Folder from your friend's HD, all the files on the
Desktop would be gone.

Jay (=
From: parkyn@fraser.sfu.ca (Dale Parkyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 7.1 installation on Quadra, what do you need&not need?
Keywords: quadra 7.1 installation
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:52:14 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

jtarr@husc8.harvard.edu (Jeff Tarr) writes:

>My question is, since I used the easy install method, what extra files and
>resources are in my system that I don't need?  

I tried to ascertain this, not Quadra based though. As far as space 
used by a more general Install I found little extra space was used.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: squeegee@world.std.com (Stephen C. Gilardi)
Subject: Re: How many Bytes in a Kilobyte (The answer may surprise you.)
Organization: SQ Software via The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:32:38 GMT

The finder reports the exact number of bytes and then says "n K on
disk".  The "on disk" number is the exact number of bytes rounded up
to the nearest "allocation block".  So I have small files on my disk,
but my allocation block (the smallest increment of trackable space on
the disk) is 3K so I'll see "45 bytes, 3K on disk".  Any file size
between 3072 bytes and 6144 bytes will be reported as "6K on disk".
When you get a large aggregation of files together, you may get the
numbers you describe.

--Steve

Stephen C. Gilardi
SQ Software
squeegee@world.std.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: peter@ncrpda.curtin.edu.au (Peter N Lewis)
Subject: Re: HOSTS file for MacTCP
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: NCRPDA, Curtin University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:25:41 GMT

In article <NCP=kb=@engin.umich.edu>, Michael F. Kamprath
<kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> wrote:
> 
> There are certain internet sites that I use alot, and I don't want to
> always rely on the domain name server that I have set with MacTCP in order
> to get their addresses from their name.  Is there a way I can put these 
> site's addresses in the HOSTS file (I assume it's go there), and how?

Here is the full scoop on MacTCP domain names:

In the control panel, set up the DNR fields like this:

your.domain     1.2.3.4  (default)
.               1.2.3.4  ( )
.               5.6.7.8  ( )

Where your.domain is the domain of your Mac, 1.2.3.4 is your primary name
server's IP, and 5.6.7.8 is your secondary name server (add as many copies
of the last line as you have name servers, but more than three is probably
excessive.  So mine might be this:

curtin.edu.au    134.7.122.2 (*)
.                134.7.122.2 ( )
.                134.7.70.70 ( )
.                134.7.70.1  ( )

Now creats a hosts file, named "Hosts", in the System Folder, like this:
**** Hosts: ****
; Hosts

ncrpda.curtin.edu.au.   A       134.7.122.2
cujo.curtin.edu.au.     A       134.7.70.70
cc.curtin.edu.au.       A       134.7.70.1
sumex.curtin.edu.au.    A       36.44.0.6
umich.curtin.edu.au.    A       141.211.165.41
****

You can now connect to sumex and it will go to sumex-aim.stanford.edu.

Thanks to Pete Resnick and Andre' Pirard for the info.

Have fun all,
   Peter.

_______________________________________________________________________
Peter N Lewis <peter@ncrpda.curtin.edu.au>           Ph: +61 9 368 2055
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Pete Kelly <pfkelly@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: Baseline's Macintalk
X-Xxdate: Fri, 18 Dec 92 03:31:24 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research/Northern Telecom
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:29:39 GMT

Subject: Baseline's Macintalk
From: Leonard Cayetano, macdevil@netlink.cts.com
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 07:26:52 PST
In article <H4HZVB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> Leonard Cayetano,
macdevil@netlink.cts.com writes:
>Baseline has given permission to release their version of
Macintalk to 
>the public.  I saw it up at GEnie and it could be available in
one of the 
>Mac FTP sites as we speak.
> 
>Leo.
>
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>UUCP:   ...!ryptyde!netlink!macdevil
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(619) 453-1115

What's different in this version ?
From: rang@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Anton Rang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Experiences installing 7.1 (leaving fonts in system)
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:34:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: hal.RANG.92Dec13103404
Organization: /home/fsg/rang/.organization

In article <Bz3yq5.A3p@cs.uiuc.edu> pjl@cs.uiuc.edu (Paul Lucas) writes:
>*****>	Totally unnecessary; one of the _points_ of doing an install
>	is so that the fonts and sounds will be carried over to the
>	new system.

  Beware!  The System 7.1 installer moves fonts from the system into the
fonts folder, but it does some interesting things in the process.  First,
it consolidates font families as well as leaving them under their own
names, so that you may have multiple copies of the same font (e.g.
Apple Garamond Bd --> the bold version of A.G. as well as its own file).

  More importantly, the purgeable bits of many 'sfnt' resources got turned
off in the process the last time I did an install.  This makes the system
heap grow REALLY big when you access those fonts....

	Anton
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: rmah@panix.com (Robert Mah)
Subject: Re: Mac OS on PC
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 07:47:26 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <Nazedgi-191292222643@stiles-kstar-node.net.yale.edu> Nazedgi@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu (nazedgi) writes:

> Microsoft has declared the war on Macs from the moment they released
> Windows. Apple sued to no avail and Windows sales are skyrocketing. Now
> they have released Windows for workgroups and Video for windows (A
> quicktime competitor) Why doesn't Apple port the OS to the PC world?  I
> understand that it may hurt some of their hardware sales, but what would
> hurt more, the MAC OS running on a PC or Windows machines? Apple has always
> been touted as an excellent software company. Show it then! Stick it to
> Microsoft the way they have been doing it to the Mac; make Bill Gates sleep
> restless at night. I don't know how feasible it would be to port the OS,
> especially since it would have to be compatible with DOS and Windows to be
> competitive, but if it can be done I would like to see it. 

To put it bluntly -- there ain't no money in it.  Until System 7.1 Apple 
did not charge for software, thus they made their money in hardware sales.  
Apple's gross margins often exceeded 50% in the past and is still around 
35% (I think). 

They are, however, moving in the direction you sugest.  A Quicktime reader 
has been ported to Windows and licensed to Silicon Graphics.  OCE will most
likely be ported as well (e-mail on one platform doesn't make too much
sence).

In any case, if Apple DID make hardware, and sell a portable OS and gained
substancial market share, then the FTC would come knockin'.  Note that
they are already investigating Microsoft, and MS doesn't even control 
(directly) any hardware.

Remember, this business is about money, not technology.  Tech is a means
by which some companies can make money.  If they weren't in it for the 
money, they'd be non-profit organizations.  Capitalism at work.

Cheers,
Rob
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[--------------------------------------------------]
[  Robert S. Mah   |  "Every day an adventure,     ]
[  rmah@panix.com  |   every moment a challenge."  ]
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From: slchb@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Can't find Loodle!
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:11:17 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Looking for a freeware or shareware program called Loodle 5.5.5 that 
organizes and labels floppies.  Looked at sumex and mich. Anyone know where
it can be found. Thanks! 
IN%"slchb@usu.edu"
From: Emme@Tweety.intel.com (David Emme)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Grayscale Desktop Pattern Problem
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:11:21 GMT
Organization: Az-Kal
Reply-To: demme@fa.intel.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: tweety.intel.com

This is a trivial issue, but it's really bugging me:

System 7 with Tuneup 1.1.1.

I have a IIcx with a Radius monochrome Pivot monitor, which supports 4
levels of gray-scale.  Several months ago I followed the instructions
in the Jan. 92 issue of MacUser "Beating the System" to successfully
create and use a 64x64 desktop pattern, with grays, by editing the
ppat 16 resource in the System file.  Worked fine for months...

This week I did something in the process of extracting that ppat
resource for use on another machine which has caused my fancy desktop
pattern to be ignored (and I've flailed around so much trying to get
it back that I don't really know just when the problem started) and
the set of B&W patterns to be used instead.  Here are the symptoms:

* The monitor works fine in 4 grays mode; the highlight color is gray,
  etc.

* The General Controls Panel refuses to show me the patterns in the
  ppt# resource (which seem to be the "color" patterns) but show me
  the B&W patterns instead.

* MacEnvy says my monitor is a 2-bit monochrome.

I've tried the following increasingly desparate measures, to no avail:

* Faithfully following the original instructions again.
* Restoring the System file and the General Controls files from a
  backup taken when the large gray desktop pattern was working.
* Zapping the PRAM.

So what's the answer?  What do I frob to convince whoever displays the
desktop pattern to use the color/gray patterns, and specifically to
use the contents of ppat 16?


David Emme                  Intel Corp., CH2-23
demme@fa.intel.com          Knowledge Applications Lab.
(602) 554-3328              5000 W. Chandler Blvd., Chandler, AZ 85226
From: aaron@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Aaron Schrab)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: 10 MB on LC
Date: 17 Dec 1992 08:06:47 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
NNTP-Posting-Host: studsys.mscs.mu.edu

On page 279 of the Macintosh Bible, Fourth Edition it says the following:

	Some software tricks on the Mac LC will let it use up to 10 megs of
	RAM, but that's not through 32-bit addressing.

Can anyone tell me what these tricks are, and if there are any programs that take
advantage of them?

Thanks in advance for any information.
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 Kammerling@aol.com         |  anymore. It used to be so easy ...    
 A.Schrab@genie.geis.com    |  to make believe.      -the Tick #4    
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: ccw@prefect.cc.bellcore.com (wood,christopher)
Subject: startup items not working...
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 15:31:08 GMT
Keywords: startup items

My office-mates' macintosh (Mac IIci, 20 MB RAM, 7.0.1 with tuneup,
extension manager and bunches of other inits, internal and external hard
drives with lots of free space, Supermac 21" color monitor and board)
has suddenly developed a problem I've never seen before:  None of the
startup items start up.  All the rest of the inits work.  We've
reinstalled the software from locked floppies, scanned with
disinfectant, deleted the startup items folder and restarted, and put
aliases back in the newly recreated folder.  I've run out of ideas...

The only thing odd is that he's starting up from an external HD (A
micronet 240 MB, with two low-level partitions.)  The problem started
after his internal HD crashed; we reformatted, and restored from
backups, but now no startup items...

Has this happened to anyone before?  How did you fix it?

Chris
-- 
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                         or ccw@prefect.cc.bellcore.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: chapman@sun.cis.ycc.yale.edu (Jonathan Chapman)
Subject: Auto Compression -What to buy?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:17:17 GMT

Okay, has anyone done a comparison between AutoDoubler, Times Two, and
Stuffit SpaceSaver? I understand that all of these packages let you use
compressed files without decompression (they give you more space to play
with without hassle). What are their features, problems? Students with
limited budgets can only buy one of these things when their hard drives run
out of space...

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Jonathan Chapman              *
Yale University               *"Resistance is futile. You will be
assimilated."
Ezra Stiles College           *                       -Bill Gates
chapman@suncis.ycc.yale.edu   *
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From: jackr@wpd.sgi.com (John "Jack" Repenning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: 7.0.1* Pointless Floppy Flip-Flops
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:43:10
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: dblues.wpd.sgi.com

There are several questions here: Can anyone tell me how to avoid
this?  Can anyone explain it to satisfy my curiosity?  Can someone at
Apple try to make sure it doesn't happen in the next release?

Set up: I have a Mac SE/30, running 7.0.1* (both tuners).  I have four
floppy icons on the desk top, representing four floppies that I
inserted and then Cmd-Y'd out.

"It": when I drag something from the hard disk to the trash (an
operation which, it seems to me, has nothing to do with any of the
floppies), I have to insert each floppy twice, in rotation, before the
trash goes all bulgy and happy.  Something roughly similar happens
when I empty the trash.

"More It": Actually, I lied.  I "only" have to cycle through three of
the floppies; the fourth (well, actually, the first) doesn't feel the
need to play this game.  [I don't feel the need, either, but my
feelings are not germaine, apparently!]

The four floppies are: Blue Scratch, Orange Scratch, It's Pink and
Wrinkled, and If It's Pink Don't Scratch (I sometimes get a little
silly when naming floppies late at night ....).  I can't recall when
they were formatted, so feel free to assume funny things in that
regard (maybe 7.0 floppies flip-flop? maybe un-tuned ones do?).  This
evening, I inserted Blue Scratch, trashed some files, emptied the
trash, copied some files on, then Cmd-Y'ed it out.  Then, I inserted
Orange Scratch, trashed, emptied, and Cmd-Y'd.  The pink party needed
no trashing when inserted and Cmd-Y'ed.  Since that time, I've been
drag-n-dropping files, one by one, from the hard disk onto these
floppies, and (as each copy completes) drag-n-dropping the hard-disk
files to the trash.  Which is why, by now, I have the floppy flip flop
process memorized!

Explanations, oh net wizards??



Jack Repenning			1-875	     jackr@wpd.sgi.com
Silicon Graphics, Inc.		            Off:(415) 390-3027
Visual Magic Division			    Fax:(415) 390-6056
From: jackr@wpd.sgi.com (John "Jack" Repenning)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 7.0.1* Pointless Floppy Flip-Flops
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:35:16
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: dblues.wpd.sgi.com
In-reply-to: tbandit@athena.mit.edu's message of 15 Dec 92 16:28:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.162841.21980@athena.mit.edu> tbandit@athena.mit.edu (Carlos E Reategui) writes:

   I tryed sending this dirrectly to jackr@wpd.sgi.com but it bounced so I'm
   replying here.  Hope you guys don't mind.

Sorry - my system was really sick there for a day or two!

   When you cmd-y a floppy it does not leave an image on the desktop.
   You were probably doing cmd-e for eject which does leave an outline
   of the floppy on the desktop.

Ah, yes, you're right, I mis-quoted.  But "leave an image on the
desktop" is what I wanted I was copying a lot of files from hard disk
to floppies, using a "greedy method" of dropping the biggest into the
first disk, then the next biggest, ... until it said "no room;" that
one goes into disk two, but the next one might fit in disk 1, and so
on.  So I wanted immediate access to each disk.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore)
Subject: Re: Anti-Virus software
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.system
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 03:48:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.184113.16748@Cadence.COM> lchang@Cadence.COM (Leon Chang) writes:
>There are various anti-virus packages available. Can anyone
>recommend one. I have access to the following:
>
>	Symantec AntiVirus (SAM Intercept)
	There is a new version, 3.5, that has just been released. I was
fairly pleased with 3.0, but I had to switch to Gatekeeper because I needed
the disk space. ANybody got comments on 3.5?

>	Disinfectant 2.9
	I use this for performing repairs on the off-chance a virus _does_
get on my hard drive. I'm satisfied with it. Updates seem to come out
fairly often (usually whenever a major new virus epidemic occurs)

>	Gatekeeper 1.2.6
	I use this to catch viruses and monitor activity. It seems to do
OK, but there is no available facility for repairing infected files. (The
maker of Gatekeeper suggests using Gatekeeper and Disinfectant in
conjunction.)

>	Virus Detective 5.0.6
	I used this once, a long time ago; I wasn't impressed. The
interface wasn't very good. It could have been improved since, though.

>Thanks for any recommendations,
>Leon Chang
>lchang@cadence.com
>408 428-4007

My "official" recommendation: Gatekeeper and Disinfectant. Of course, I
don't know anything about SAM 3.5.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Distribution: world
From: Michael_J._Bell@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:19:51 EST
Subject: Re: Anti-Virus software

From the press release symantec sent me as a registered user, I gathered there
were only two major upgrades:
1) redesigned colorful 3d interface - pretty but useless
2) can optionally virus scan through compressed files - both .sit and .cpt

I cant remember anything else the release offered, and for this they wanted
$30 to upgrade a $99 program!
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From: JohnM._Stafford@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Desktop rebuilds every reboot ! HELP !!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:16:51 GMT
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.

I would suggest a defective keyboard that senses a Command-Option combination
during startup. Warranty repair time.
Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system