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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Sunday morning QB
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:11:49 GMT

In article <39382@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>* Miami's FG defense is the best in the country. The speed of the
>  outside rushers is something else to watch. PSU constantly shot
>  itself in the foot, most of it caused by Miami. I thought Paterno
>  should have passed on the 4th and 1 late in the game. The Miami
>  LBs are very quick, and a running play outside played into their
>  strong-point. At least a run up the middle was called for.

2 out of the 3 missed FG attempts (the block and the first miss) were
caused by Miami, and the INT returned for a TD was certainly forced by
Miami's pass rush.  [I was going to say that the penalties against Penn
State were the most obvious examples of them shooting themselves in the
foot, but you're right, the other mistakes were much more critical and
determined the outcome of the game.  BTW, did anyone else think those
interference penalties against PSU's punt coverage team were a little
overzealous?]

But what I noticed about the 4th down running play was that even though
the FB was stood up by the man he was blocking, it looked like Anderson
had a slim path outside to the 1st down marker on the sideline.
Instead, he tried to cut back inside the block (and the pursuit) as he
probably had been instructed to do all week.

>* Hawaii, playing their 3rd road game, finally came apart in Utah.
>  The WAC is San Diego State's to lose. They play Hawaii in SD, 
>  and except for back-to-back road games in ColoSt and Wyoming, 
>  they have no threats at all. 

Utah gets to coast against New Mexico and UTEP, then plays at Air Force
and Fresno State, and finishes at home against Wyoming and BYU.  I'd say
they have a pretty fair shot at going undefeated in the conference.  So
(here's another question for the non-existent FAQ), what's the
tie-breaker for the WAC?
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From: n9041679@janice.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Washington skips Rose?
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:46:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: janice.n9041679.718940777
Distribution: rec
Organization: Western Washington University

saqx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>Sorry to ask a boneheaded question, but my knowledge of the workings of the
>Bowl games is very limited.  Here's the scenario--Miami and Washington are
>undefeated at the end of the regular season, #1 and #2 (any order).  Michigan
>is #3, also 11-0 (I think Ohio State will beat them, by the way).  So now the
>national title picture is a mess.  If #1 and #3 play in the Rose Bowl, and 
>#2 plays a good team elsewhere, we probably get a split vote again (unless
>Michigan wins).  Or what if the Rose Bowl features teams #2 and #3?  The
>prospects for confusion are there.  So now the question:  is Washington (as
>Pac-10 winner) *locked* into the Rose Bowl?  What if, say, the Fiesta comes
>along, sweetens the pot with some $$$, and tries to get Washington to forego 
>the Rose Bowl to play Miami for the national title?  Any chance?  If the
>Huskies aren't locked into the Rose Bowl, any chance that they'd snub it?
>Personally, I think that cruddy bowl should be canned anyway.  Taking both
>teams from only two conferences is totally bogus.
>-- 


"That cruddy bowl game" is so steeped in glorious tradition it's become more
american than apple pie. It also pays the most (though this may change very
soon) Don James(UW) has said in the past he would never turn down the Rose
Bowl bid (plus, if I'm not mistaken, they are contractually obligated to go
if they win the Pac-10, but I could be wrong about that). However, he has
recently dropped hints that he might consider a bid to play for a
championship if there were similar circumstances to last year. I can't
imagine that either James or Erickson want to go through all that again. In
any case, I will be surprised if both remain undefeated. Neither Washington
or Miami looks anywhere near as good as they did last year, and UW still has
to play Stanford, who look AWESOME. I'm not sure if Miami has any real
challenges left, but then again, Arizona should have been a joke, and look
at that squeak-by victory. Who knows? Maybe Stanford and Alabama will be
arguing over who's #1 at the end of the season. 

-Brian Harper
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: chgs02@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (By learning and courtesy)
Subject: Want to know Wahington result
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:57:33 GMT

Please could someone tell me the Washington result
so that I can tell one of our new graduate students.
He wishes to follow the results of this team,
and will get his own number soon.
I couldn't find it among the messages at this site -
perhaps someone could post a result with worldwide distribution?
So that it reaches here in Scotland?
Ann
From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The NEW Penn State MNC Scenario!
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:43:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: en.1992Oct8.174330.9769
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <5891@news.duke.edu> ds4@north6.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:
>In article <1atvjnINNoho@agate.berkeley.edu>, grantham@jif.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham) writes:
>|> Ah, Steve, you miss the real beauty of the super-secret *real* Penn State
>|> MNC scenario, which has Penn State beating Michigan in the Blockbuster Bowl
>|> for the MNC.  You see, Michigan will go undefeated in the Big Ten, *but*
>|> so will suprisingly good Wisconsin.  Since Michigan & Wisconsin don't play
>|> each other this year, Wisconsin, since it last went to the Rose Bowl some
>|> time back in the Eisenhower administration*, it gets to go and play then
>|> #1 Washington.  #2 Michigan & #3 Penn State meet in the Blockbuster Bowl.
>
>Good try but the second place BIG Ten team is locked into the WAC Bowl (What ever
>it is called...the Holiday?) :)
>
Huh????  Last I heard the 2nd place B10 team goes to the Citrus bowl vs. 
#2 SEC team.  The 3rd place B10 team plays the 1st place WAC team in the
Holiday Bowl (ho hum....)

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From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date:  9 Oct 92 02:00:17 GMT

pkester@hooville.mitre.org (Peter Kester) writes:
>Ken Bowers writes:
>>Charlie Cockrell writes:
>>>UVa does not have a marching band. The Pep Band is not a marching band and
>>>is not designed to be one. The Pep Band is
>>>designed to be entertaining with their halftime and pre-game shows in
>>>which they rip apart not only the school we're playing but any other
>>>topic they can think of. The Pep Band used to be a lot funnier - they've
>>>instituted a review board which screens all of the jokes now. 
>>
>>The UVa band used to get in a *lot* of trouble.  On one trip to Maryland
>>in the seventies, they based their show on the fact that the sitting and
>>previous several Lt Governors and Governors of Maryland (including Spiro 
>>agnew) had been indicted by Grand Juries. Even though the band had all their 
>>facts correct, some folks up that way got pretty steamed, and 
>>threatened never to let the band back in the *state.* 
>>
>The Virginia Pep Band (aka TAWFCI/OP?MPB&CSU!!! -- figure out that acronym!)
>is still not allowed to perform a show at Maryland.  They are also banned
>from West Virginia due to a family feud skit performed a number of years
>ago.  The review board was instituted because of some people's lack of
>humor.  Unfortunately, it has caused a lack of humor in the Pep Band.

That's really a shame.  People who have been around the Stanford Band
for a long time have noticed the same about our band, since the AD
started reviewing all shows in 1986.  We're trying to improve, and our
relations with the AD are much better these days than previously,
particularly with noted Band-hater Denny Green gone.  Still, it's
difficult to come up with a funny, relevant show that a skittish athletic
department very sensitive to its funding will allow onto the field.

>>I suspect that satire bands like Virginia's and Stanford's are much
>>easier to take when the associated team is lousy. Snotty humour 
>>seems funnier from backers of losing causes. 
>>
>There's definitely a correlation.  The better the team does, the more the
>review board waters down the jokes.

On the other hand, I'm still convinced that the only reason the
Stanford AD made such a big deal about the Spotted Owl show in Oregon
two years ago was that the team lost 31-0 and they wanted to
overshadow that.  They did a good job -- only a few of us actually
still remember the game.

>Looking forward to seeing the Pep Band and signing the Good Old Song many
>times (hopefully) this weekend.

Good luck!!! I hope to be playing All Right Now quite a few times
myself. :-)

UCLA EAT MY SHORTS!!! :-) :-)

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: gcm@fns-nc1.fns.com (Grover McCoury)
Subject: Re: Lies, D**n Lies, etc (Re: PSU is Overrated!)
Keywords: Linebacker U. 
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 14:24:49 GMT

In article <92288.072824KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
	.
	.
	.
>And you pennheads out there,
>don't begin to talk about 1986, PSU's BYU National Championship, one game
>season in which if Vinny Testerverde wasn't color blind, would have went the
>other way (five interceptions come to mind?).

I suppose a *great* defense had nothing to do with the interceptions... 

P.S. - The game ending interception was by a guy named Shane Conlon. BTW,
       didn't he get a job after school in the NFL?   ;-)

Just $.02 from...

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:01:25 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

lein@bae.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
}
}>THe bottom line is the w-l record.  IMHO Alabama, Colorado, A&M, Miami,
}>and Washington can all lay legitimate claims to #1.  Washington and
}>Miami shouldn't be the only two teams being considered.    

crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) wrote:
}
}What's this?  A blowhard sounding reasonable! 

What sad times are these when a graduate and top-level administrator
of the Goober School for the Clueless can't tell a Blowhard from a 
PennHead!  

(What the hell kind of curriculum do you have down there, Goob?)

-- 
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       "Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing 
         swords is no basis for a system of government!"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:28:55 GMT

kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:
>The original poster clearly has no clue about the intent of this
>kind of band. Here's a little clue: the tune of ALS/GOs is intended
>to accompany drinking, not precision marching. 


Now there's something to really be proud of!!!  


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								  Jeff Beckham
						      beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
 			 	                               Marching Illini 
                                    University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
				   --------------------------------------------
From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Keywords: Defense
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:11:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Oct12.161159.16488
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <Ag6-0s#@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@anaphora.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> 	Interception by the Defense at the end of the USC-UW game is not 
> luck.  It is DEFENSE!  Missing field goals against Miami is luck, pure luck!

What do you call forcing teams to settle for field goal attempts rather
than putting it in the endzone for six?

I'm a Penn State alum and I hate Miami, but you can't tell me that they
aren't one of the best if not THE BEST team in the country.


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 05:52:21 -0400 
From: William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Best marching band
	<1992Oct6.174846.8232@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
Distribution: usa

Mr.  Brian Saunders writes:
>In principle I agree with you, but what other board do you suggest people
>talk about marching bands.  The college football board unfortunately the
>most related thing to marching bands.  So when you blow off steam like
>that, please give helpful suggestions...

    Well, first of all, I was not blowing steam.  I was just wondering
why out of over 4700 bboards, why does marching band stuff appear on
here.  Now I know the reason.  Second, netnews.alt.drumcorps is more
closely related than this.On any note, point well taken.

    Anyway, who's looking forward to that Miami-PSU game Saturday.  If
Miami keeps playing as crappy as they have been, Penn State could very
well be the team to bump Miami!
Will



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From: hitoshi@collins.esi.yamanashi.ac.jp (Hitoshi Masumura)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UCLA WILL BEAT THE WSU COUGERS
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:43:26 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Electrical Eng. & Comp. Sci., Yamanashi Univ., Japan.
X-Nntp-Posting-Host: collins.esi.yamanashi.ac.jp

In article <1992Oct15.191200.4949@draco.macsch.com> jfc@salmon.macsch.com (Jack Castro) writes:

> I predict the score will be UCLA 23, WSU 17.
> On paper, I cannot say that UCLA's chances look good. However, after following
> the team closely for the past ten years, I just got a good feeling about this
> game. I was not at all surprised by the defeats to Arizona and Stanford. I
> am surprised at the lack of offense, however. Hopefully the Bruins can
> start running again and make things easier for their freshman QB.

 In 1988, Cougars actually beat UCLA with QB Tim Rosenbach (He is now in 
Cardinals) and RB Steve Brossard (Falcons).  This yaer, I beleive that 
the QB Drew Bledsoe and RB Shumbe Wright-Fair have same ability enough to
crush Bruins. But I don't konw so much about offensive line and defense.
 So, I predict that the game will be close if WSU defense do a good job.
The score will be WSU 24 UCLA 20


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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ESPN Studio Show Question
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:39:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct12.203942.25515
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>Is it in Craig James's job description that he must disagree with everything
>Lee Corso says, or is that just what any normal human being would do?
>
>GT

It's a clause in his contract.  He get's $500 every time he tells Corso that
he's full of horsepuckey.

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Subject: Re: Best marching band
From: fath1@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Date: 10 Oct 92 14:58:41 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <Bvt4Mq.HKK@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>>
>>Well, perhaps there already IS a CFD on a new group to include all marching 
>>groups, regardless of corp, college or high school level.  In fact, the Thread
>
>Well, I strongly suggest that whoever is running the CFD and CFVs also
>post all future such announcements to this group (maybe ths message
>could be forwarded to him/her.
>
>
Hi, that would be me -- I have posted about the RFV a few times on this
thread and will be sure to let everyone know when the CFV is coming.  Right
now it looks like it will happen some time in the next week or two.

If you want a place for marching band discussion, then vote for 
rec.arts.marching.****.  

Want more info?  Send me email.



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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Washington skips Rose?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:52:56 GMT

In <1992Oct12.184740.15347@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> saqx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>Sorry to ask a boneheaded question, but my knowledge of the workings of the
>Bowl games is very limited.  Here's the scenario--Miami and Washington are
>undefeated at the end of the regular season, #1 and #2 (any order).  Michigan
>is #3, also 11-0 (I think Ohio State will beat them, by the way).  So now the
>national title picture is a mess.  If #1 and #3 play in the Rose Bowl, and 
>#2 plays a good team elsewhere, we probably get a split vote again (unless
>Michigan wins).  Or what if the Rose Bowl features teams #2 and #3?  The
>prospects for confusion are there.  So now the question:  is Washington (as
>Pac-10 winner) *locked* into the Rose Bowl?  What if, say, the Fiesta comes
>along, sweetens the pot with some $$$, and tries to get Washington to forego 
>the Rose Bowl to play Miami for the national title?  Any chance?  If the
>Huskies aren't locked into the Rose Bowl, any chance that they'd snub it?
>Personally, I think that cruddy bowl should be canned anyway.  Taking both
>teams from only two conferences is totally bogus.
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Well, I'll cut you some slack since you're from a school that doesn't play
I-A football.

Washington, a Pac-10 team, is contractually bound to play in the Rose Bowl
if
if it is undefeated and un-tied at the end of the season.  The league
has a complex tie-breaker scheme in the event of dual or multiple team ties.
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:32:22 EDT
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The NEW Penn State MNC Scenario!
 <1992Oct06.160551.1839@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
 <1992Oct7.035431.28510@news2.cis.umn.edu> <92281.093642JER108@psuvm.psu.edu>

The "New Penn State MNC Scenario" is still missing one major component.


Eye of newt.


Jim Thomas
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Subject: Re: Ohio State Sucks!!!
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:36:23 EST
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Oct11.160507.17144@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
> In article <1992Oct10.201048.20193@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jcopelan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (The One and Only) writes:
>>Cooper Sucks!
> 
> Cooper did not fumble twice within the 5-yard line.

	My dad made the observation that in Woody's day, Eddie would have been
benched after the first one.  For the game, if not the season :).

> You could, however, fault Cooper for giving the ball to the same guy the
> 2nd time in that situation who had already fumbled it, especially
> considering that he is a freshman.  Inexcusable.

	Actually, the 2nd one wasn't his fault.  He got hammered from behind
while being stood up by another biter.  'Tis typical luck, after the
O(ops)ffical negated an OSU touchdown by claiming the receiver was out of
bounds.  (College replay, where are you?)

> Now, here's a trivia question for you all:  what Big 10 team is the only
> one to date with no conference wins?  :^)
> Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

	Heh, trivia question for next week: what UW fan will be brutally
tortured and killed?
:D

Brett                                                      
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