HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: aatresa@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Ed and Teresa (Carp ????)
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:27:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims02.16APR199216271974
Organization: Yeah, *right* !
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr16.183847.27993@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, hoff@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Wildfire) writes...
>afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes:
> 
>>Well, that's 5 `for' and 2 `against'... all votes in ?? :-)
> 

Plus a few that were e-mailed...I don't have the separate count.  I'll get 
it if you want it, Stephen.

>I apologize for any nastiness in this post.  It's been a long day and its just
>going downhill.....

That's ok, Wildfire (one of my *favorite* songs by 3m).  Would a hug help??

*hug*

-- Teresa

		Life -- just for the FUN of it!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com (Software Dude)
Subject: And Now for Something Apartly Similar...(kiss!)
Keywords: READ,KILL,READ,WALK THE DOG,READ,GRIT THY TEETH,READ...
Organization: WHAT?
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:22:25 GMT

 aatresa@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline) instructs us with:
>> 
>>That's right ... and poison is a lady's weapon...
>
>*You* might do well to keep that in mind.  :)
>
Does that mean if a lady pricks me, that I should run screamin'
for Auntie Dote? Who is this relative that I never find? How
*CAN* a lady prick a man/boy/guy/male/whatever? :^)
--
Puter	puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com "My favorite vanity plate - PHUQUE"
From: cs132093@cs.brown.edu (Mark "?" Prince)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Remaining friends with an ex SO.
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:21:08
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Brown University
NNTP-Posting-Host: cslab9a.cs.brown.edu
In-reply-to: stefanos@concour.cs.concordia.ca's message of 6 Apr 92 04:54:37 GMT

In article <3255@daily-planet.concordia.ca> stefanos@concour.cs.concordia.ca (KIAKAS stefanos) writes:

?>      i hope it works, but i can see problems in the future ( i.e. a new SO 
?> who does not like the fact that we were once lovers ) and i would like to 
?> hear from people who have had experiences like this, the problems they 
?> encountered and the way they handled them. plus any other hints that may be 
?> helpful.

I went out with a woman for nine months, it was my first REAL
relationship.  When we broke up, it was simply because we just became
great friends, no real worries...no differences.  We are still great
friends 4 years later.  We talk about everything...love lives...etc.
She just knows me too well.  (She can tell when I like someone before
I DO.) 8 ) 

		QuestionMark
--
  _ QuestionMark _   "I don't want the   ((((((((((((((((?))))))))))))))))
 ( )    >>>>    ( )  world, I just want  Internet:   cs132093@cs.brown.edu
  (    (/OO\)    (   your half."         Bitnet:     st102207@BROWNVM       
  o     \__/     o      --They Might     Internet:   Mark_Prince@brown.edu
                           Be Giants     ((((((((((((((((?))))))))))))))))
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: lbn@po.CWRU.Edu (Lynette B. Nickerson)
Subject: To Nicodemus
Reply-To: lbn@po.CWRU.Edu (Lynette B. Nickerson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 15:05:19 GMT


	Nicodemus,
	    I have many things to learn and I hope you are willing
	    to teach me. :)


	    I Love You, Too!


	    Ly'Nette

-- 
Ly`Nette Beth Nickerson		:-)    Mischief
A woman of the '90's		:-)    Lenny
Rebel of the century		:-)    Lynnmyster
Doer of NO EVIL (just mischief) :-)    Lenny Poo
Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.romance.chat
From: drl@sol.acs.unt.edu (Laakso Dianna)
Subject: Re: Is this a common thing?
Keywords: Tough Questions
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:36:41 GMT



>>I told her that "If I love you enough to make love to you, my feelings aren't
>>going to change because of a pregnancy. Of course I would help out financially,
>>it's as much my responsibility as yours, but I wouldn't otherwise abandon
>>you because of a problem like that."


>Until you've been in a similar situation, you can only guess as
>to how you'd react.  Hopefully, with strong willpower and support
>from others, you'll react the way you planned to.
>Suffice it to say that most people don't know themselves as well
>as they think....


>>Ladies, is this a common worry?

No, I don't think so...if the relationship is serious there should be no
worry at all. It sounds in your case as if you haven't committed to one
another. I can understand why she worries.

>Personally, I would feel responsible for the welfare of the 
>woman and any child she might have.  If the child were not mine,
>it would be more complicated, but if I'm committed to a
>relationship, it's a COMITTMENT.

Exactly. In a solid relationship there are no doubts.

-- 
Dianna Laakso                                       Research Assistant
drl@sol.acs.unt.edu                            Department of Chemistry
drl@vaxb.acs.unt.edu                 University of North Texas, Denton
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: aatresa@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline)
Subject: Re: More Ed and Teresa (was Re: Love Sucks.....)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Yeah, *right* !
Date: 17 Apr 1992 10:33 EST  

In article <1992Apr17.141521.11492@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes...
> 
>Teresa Kline writes:
> 
>>I don't buy it...I'm a "cheap" date.  
> 
>Would Ed know about that?  (Somehow, I doubt it . . . )
> 
>>And I want no comments on that from
>>the peanut gallery.
> 
>Too late. :-)
> 
Boy, Pat.  When you enter the games, you do it with a vengeance, don't you?


:)
-- Teresa

		Life -- just for the FUN of it!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Romantic Ideas For Everyday Use
Keywords: Ideas
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 05:33:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.044115.24877@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> koenigp@tramp.Colorado.EDU (KOENIG PAUL M) writes:
>I had her over for Chinese food and at the end of dinner I brought
>out fortune cookies.  Some of them you can get the fortune out with 
>a pair of tweezers and insert your own 'special' fortune.  If you
>are clever you can make the sayings reversible so if they are switched
>it doesn't make any difference.  I toned it down but the potential is
>there to make it as gushy as you want.    
>
>She blushed five shades of red.

What on earth did you say?  C'mon, spill the beans...

RNA



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From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Sanctity of relationships
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:04:32 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Apr8.204517.16189@rice.edu> kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go) writes:
>Don't tell me someone has morals on this net!  I was under the impression
>that people here are looking out only for themselves.

   mo.ral.i.ty n  \m*-'ral-*t-e, mo-\
      1 : a system designed to make life less enjoyable.
	  see synonyms under MASOCHISM

Or it seems that way, sometimes.

-- 
Michael Rawdon
rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"It's a summer of existence and the fall of pain."
					- Men Without Hats
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Romantic music list
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 04:51:32 GMT


I'm fairly sensitive to music setting the mood for an evening of romance
and other related activites.  Off the top of my head, here are a few I like
to throw on from time to time....

Depeche Mode - "Somebody" and "A Question of Lust"
Erasure - "If I Could" (Two Ring Circus orchestral version)
	and "You Surround Me"
Book of Love - "With a Little Love"
Madonna - "Crazy For You"
The Art of Noise - "Moments in Love"
Billy Joel - "She's Got a Way" and "This is the Time"
Elton John - "Sacrifice"
Enya - just about anything
Throbbing Gristle - _CD1_ (granted, it's an odd choice, but it's
	beautiful in its own way, and quite primal actually)
Stacey Q - "Another Chance"


And then there's the OTHER list =-) :

Erasure - "Sexuality"
Depeche Mode - "Master and Servant" and "Personal Jesus"
Madonna - "Burning Up"
Berlin - "Sex (I'm a...)"
Nine Inch Nails - "Sin"
Prince - "Let's Pretend We're Married"
and there are others I'm forgetting....

-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
As you're cleaning the orange carpet, you will hear a voice that says, "Fetch 
my cigarettes."  Another voice will say, "THEY'RE ON TOP OF THE REFRIGERATOR."
--(David Vessell)--(Bradley University Computing Services)-(dave@bradley.edu)--
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles
From: kiran@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Kiran Wagle)
Subject: Re: The Wall
Followup-To: soc.singles
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 01:29:16 GMT

>charon@diana.cair.du.edu (Chuck Haron) writes:
>> Doesen't ther come a time when one gets tired of beating his/her
>>head against  The Wall, and the search just doesn't seem worth it anymore?

mlb@cisco.com (Marcia Bednarcyk) blithely opines:
>There sure does...and that's when you really start to live, free of this
>burden of "searching". You start to appreciate the happinesses you already
>have, and you go out and do things you enjoy, and take joy in them. All the
>energy that you put into "searching" for someone to make your life complete
>you can now put into making your life complete yourself.

Naw. What really happens is that you become bitter and resigned. You
realise how little happiness there is in your life. The things that
once brought you joy now seem deviod of meaning. You understand how
important a relationship really is, and how your soul is incomplete
and cannot be conpleted without another person.

>And just about the time that you finally have it all together, and
>you're going along...someone just might show up who has also given up
>the search.... 

But since you are bitter and resigned, you just can't manage to make
the emotional connection, so the other person just moves on to the
next jerk.
-- 
"The truffle is not an outright aphrodisiac, but it may in certain
 circumstances make women more affectionate and men more amiable."
                                                ...Brillat-Savarin

Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: karleen sue davis <ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Do You Remember - early '60s edition
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:08:06 -0500

In article <MARKF.92Apr16181025@montreux.ai.mit.edu> markf@zurich.ai.mit.edu writes:

>Monkey bars are (were?) those things in playgrounds  that you climb
>over, around and through.
>
>-Mark

ARE, definately. Don't you ever go out to the local schoolyard with 
your SO/RP and play on them?  Very romantic, on a warm summer night...
(no wink winks or nudges here, just pure, unadulterated, childish fun)
LIKE LEGOS!  

*smirk*
Karleen
From: afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: a question
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:41:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: lims02.6APR199211413025
Organization: Lessee ... I had it here a minute ago ...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

{I can't* resist ...}

In article <1992Apr6.103113.1@stat.appstate.edu>, grs01153@stat.appstate.edu 
writes...
>What exactlty constitutes 'cheatin' on someone?


Well, depending on the context, either an ace up your sleeve or a queen up 
your pant leg. :-) :-)


-- Stephen 

(The only two valid e-mail addresses from now on are ...)
afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov,  afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov
.. boring .sig follows, press n to skip it.

		Love shares at least *one* common trait with the Great
		White Shark. When it *stops* moving forward, it dies.
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From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,soc.couples
Subject: Re: Sanctity of relationships
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:56:42 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.ibm.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Village Waterbed
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In  <29EE00F3.7723@noiro.acs.uci.edu>  jessica@pappus.ss.uci.edu (Jessica Hines) writes:
>
> I thought other women had posted on this issue before, but I may be wrong.
> I disagree, both for abstract and concrete reasons: the concrete reasons are
> that I have a friend who did just that several times,

I think it depends on the circumstances, and you can't make a general
rule that will apply in all cases.  For example, I met someone that I
hit it off with great, except she was seeing someone that I knew.  So,
I played it cool.  A year later, she had dumped him, and we got together.
Had I realized when I met her that he was physically abusing her, I would
have tried to break them up at the time.

> On the abstract side, I agreed with the hammer hitting the window analogy:
> asking on a date once, sure, the other person can say no and that's that.

But what if the other person says yes?  I find myself in this situation
now.  Got a phone number, called her up, went great, we met, had a very
nice evening.  Spoke to her a few more times, and got together again, but
when we spoke before meeting she said that she had to be honest with me;
she had been seeing someone else, and they split up, but were talking about
getting together again.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: jdavidso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu  (Jeff Davidson)
Subject: Re: <None>
Reply-To: jdavidso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:37:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.002004.1@runt.appstate.edu> grs01153@runt.appstate.edu  
writes:
> Ok, folks, here is the deal.  Half of everybody and their brother at Bradley
> University, where my boyfriend (Hi Aaron) goes to school, seem to read this
> group and think I am cheating on Aaron. I am not, I have not, I will not. he  
is
> the love of my life and has made me happier than I ever dreamed I could be. I
> hope everyone else will be this happy in their lifetime.
> 
> The reason I asked is that I have numerous friends, mostly male, on the net
> with whom I converse and correspond quite frequently (once, twice a week),
> mostly to gain new perspectives (I am a writer and new perspectives are my
> livliehood...). -- 
> 
> The reason I am posting this is because I have the feeling that a lot of  
people
> who care about Aaron think I am screwing him over, and that is not true, and  
I
> don't think it is fair that he has to justify my actions to anyone..I have  
done
> so here and if anyone has anything they would like to say about anything I do
> in the future, talk to me and we'll settle it.
> 

Stick to your guns, Shannon!
--
*****************************************************************************
Your admirers in the street , got to hoot and stamp their feet, in the heat 
from your physique, as you twinkle by  in moccasin sneakers.   And I thought
my heart would  break, when you doubled up the stake,  with your fingers
all ashake;   You could never tell a winner......from a snake.  
          King Crimson---Easy Money/Larks'  Tongues in Aspic (1973)  
*****************************************************************************
The Lost Cause
jdavidso@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
From: flr6445@zeus.tamu.edu (TRAVIS RAYBOLD)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: re: Newbie ... Please Don't Flame.
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:44:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr9.020415.27307@acsu.buffalo.edu>, bentkopj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Paul J. Bentkowski) writes...
>Hello Folks;
>	
>	I know I might be new to this news group, but what is it
>	about... What topics do you discuss ... Is it to learn
>	about Romance or develop Romances, etc...
> 
>	My questions might be simple and foolish but please bare 
>	with me.


    BARE with you?

just a hint....you might want to try alt.sex instead.....*smirk*


    Curiosity
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,soc.couples
From: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter)
Subject: Re: Sanctity of relationships
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: world,soc
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 01:18:27 GMT

afdenis@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison) writes:
>OK, Hank a quick scenerio ... you *think* that she's marrying someone 
>because *you* two had an argument and she's *showing* you up by jumping 
>into a marriage that you don't think is right for her. Despite the argument, 
>*you* feel that you and her belong together ...   What do you do ??

You stand back and try and be rational about the situation. Any woman that
would marry someone else to show you up has major problems. And you walk away.

I've learned to try and avoid getting involved with women with major problems.
It's too painful and you can't help them if they don't want to change.
You're better off without her. Self-preservation, you know.

	fred
-- 
Disclaimer: everything I post is my *personal* opinion and does not represent
or reflect the opinion of the company which employs me.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
G. R. (Fred) Walter, Mortice Kern Systems Inc.,	Internet: fredw@mks.com
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: kojohnso@prodigy.javelin (Kory Johnson)
Subject: Re: Romantic music list
Organization: A 12 letter word.
	<1992Apr14.191400.17308@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:49:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.191400.17308@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Pamela Kay <szafrans@copper.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:

[stuff deleted so I can comment on one particular song]

>   Outside of all the "love songs" that float upon our airways today,
>   my favorite (thanks to a wonderful music education by my dearest husband :)
>   are more "newage" type musical selections.
>
>   The most personally romantic music that I can think of is by Michael
>   Hedges.  We often played it late in the evening when I was expecting
>   our first child.  We would just lay together, feeling the baby move, while
>   we listened to Michael's music.  We recorded the album and played it in the 
>   operating room (C-Section :( during his birth.  I remember actually
>   catching myself singing some of the lyrics with the tape as our son
>   was born.   It really helped make a rather tense experience so much more
>   relaxed. The anethesiologist still uses it for this :)..he liked it so much :)
>
>   Now that we are expecting our second child together, we find ourselves
>   heading back to Michael's voice :)...soo smooth.  I suspect we will 
>   bring our recording in again with us :)
>

  Are you speaking of the song on the Taproot album, called "I Will Carry
On?"  (Unsure as to the song title as I am at work.)  It's the last song on 
the disk.


>   Pam
--
          \ /////         | kory johnson "wannabepawedbyLadyV"
 ___oooo_o_|0 0|_o_oooo___| kojohnso@prodigy.sim.es.com
                          | busy4now balladeer of the RFA  "la, La, LA"

Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: sean.casey@EMCB.CC.UTAH.EDU (SEAN THOMAS CASEY)
Subject: :)
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:04:21 GMT

	Sorry, but I gotta do it, if no-one else yet has (I haven't checked):


  TTTTTTT  OOOOOO   Y     Y   OOOOOO   TTTTTTT     A        !!
     T     O    O    Y   Y    O    O      T      A   A      !!
     T     O    O     Y Y     O    O      T     AAAAAAA     !!
     T     O    O      Y      O    O      T     A     A
     T     OOOOOO      Y      OOOOOO      T     A     A     !!
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Sanctity of relationships
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: world,soc
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:57:43 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.151924.27508@u.washington.edu> intrigue@milton.u.washington.edu (Angelwing) writes:
>In article <CSUAT.92Apr8011953@lily.warwick.ac.uk> csuat@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Pete "Ganders" Favelle) writes:
>>
>>on 7 Apr 92 05:59:29 GMT,
>>rnjx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:
>>
>>> The question is this.  Is it ever morally and/or ethically O.K. to actively
>>> try to woo one member of an existing relationship from that relationship so
>>> that you may start one with her/him?  
>>
>>  As a general rule, I consider _anybody_ currently involved in a relationship
>>to be `off limits'. My view is always that if _I_ were the one whose SO was
>>being `wooed' from me, I'd be _seriously_ pissed off, and I wouldn't ever want
>>to do that to someone.
>
>Oh but dear boys, what about free will here?  You *can't* take anyone away
>from somebody else.  Impossible.  This isn't the dark ages, you know.  I
>am with who I am with purely from free choice.  There is no way anyone
>could "woo me away" because I know what I want and I have it.  The only
>way someone could be tempted away (or something like that) would be in the
>case where the relationship was on rocky grounds anyway.  Don't flatter
>yourselves, guys.

But...sometimes you can "borrow" someone away from someone else.  People do
not always behave rationally.  Some people want a date simply to make their
SO jealous.  Some people want a boink because things are going wrong in their
relationships.  (Okay, if it were *permanently* going wrong, they will
probably break up anyway, but there are highs and lows in most relationships,
and I'm not about to take advantage of someone just because (s)he is at a
local minimum.)

!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*()_++|!@#$%^&*(

The person I want to live my life with is the person to whom I can give the
Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles
From: kerryg@stat.rice.edu (Kerry Go)
Subject: Re: Sanctity of relationships
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Rice University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:45:17 GMT

In article <17808@oasys.dt.navy.mil> goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg) writes:
>If it is a serious relationship that's involved, I believe that is is
>ethically and morally wrong for me to intrude on the relationship.
>It shows a serious lack of respect for the other guy involved.  As far
>a marital relationships are concerned, many religious codes address
>this (Thou shalt not covet they neightbor's wife . . .)  Now don't get
>me wrong.  I'm not a bible thumper, but I do beleive inthe practicality
>of moral codes here.  Some principles are needed to prevent social breakdowns
>and in my humble opinion, this is one.

Don't tell me someone has morals on this net!  I was under the impression
that people here are looking out only for themselves.

Newsgroups: alt.romance,soc.singles,soc.couples
From: erc@pogo.Corp.Sun.COM (Ed Carp)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Some things never die!
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:24:45 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: pogo.corp.sun.com

In article <8APR199208004853@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> aatresa@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline) writes:
>In article <ku4b8gINN5gk@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, erc@pogo.Corp.Sun.COM (Ed Carp) writes...
>>In article <7APR199208110716@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> aatresa@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Teresa Kline) writes:

>>>Maybe you should think about that, Ed! 
>> 
>>Huh?  What?  [popping back into porting-code-to-linux-land]
>>--
>
>Oh, *sure*!  <sniff, sniff>  You'd rather play with your computer than talk 
>to me...well, two can play *that* game!  :)

Hey!  Who hasn't called WHO????  Who doesn't answer their email???  Hmmmm??????
--
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