From: mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Mao vs. Deng (get questions clear)
Reply-To: mxx7655@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:12:03 GMT

In article <l6s49bINNi6i@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <2A6DD0CD.10313@noiro.acs.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:

     You have many good points in your post,which has promoted the disscusions
on this topic.Guess Mr Shannon Yeh probably has known something different from
others. If you had not gone too extreamly on some issue,your point of view
would have been more convincing.

>>
>************** Wish folks share the following with Shannon, as jokes *************
>> Question 
>>1.1  Do you think that KMT could be defeated by Mao's own two arms and two 
>KMT was not defeated by Mao. KMT was defeated by KMT itself. KMT made big
>mistake to take corrupted Qing officials and officers who were the illness
>that almost kill KMT on mainland. KMT got cured in Taiwan to kill corruption.
   
     Now,I know the main reason for KMT's defeat in mainland is by hiring the
former Qing officers.It is amazing,but do you have any evidence to support you
point? For example,list some of the policy making officers who also served for
Qing goverment.

>>1.2  If the Old China is better than New China, why KMT was not able to 
>KMT was so ill, too weak to fight, after a long 8 year war.
>It was not common people help to defeat KMT, simply it was KMT tired of war
>that defeated KMT. The facts stand that.

     From the comon sense,the causes for someone being defeated are:
	1. self weakness.
	2. a strong enemy at the same time.
     So,the illness of KMT itself is not enough to cause its defeat.
     I would say,KMT did a very bad job in mainland which caused its defeat and
helped to develop its enemy CCP; CCP did a good job in terms of taking the
chance KMT offered and attracting mass support at that time.
     Then, KMT learned its lesson and has been improving and done good job
since then; CCP,on the other hand,was going on the reverse direction and
disappointing its people the same way(maybe worse) as KMT before 1949.
     Now,the CCP headed by Deng seems to learn something from the past and make
some change.Good attempt but not an easy job.

>>1.4  what is the difference between China and Taiwan island? 
>
>The difference is obvious on this NEW CHINA.
>The common symptons are not hard to find. Low efficiency, poor management,
>poor concept, lazy to work, no hope, no competence, so greedy, so selfish,
>boneless citizenship (bow to westerners), hostility to brothers, jealous
>to brothers (turn red eyes to greecards), struggling inside brothership,
>....., running out strategies, running out KMT deposit, so a NEW CHINA looks
>like a humple old man.
>
>>     country with 1.2 billion people, Taiwan's population is similar to 
>>     Shanghai, a city in CHina.  
>
>Taiwan is not a city of Shanghai, it is like ten cities of Shanghai!
>The economy power comes from Taiwan has shocked Pentagon, has made some
>one to beg: help me please, we can change name, change flag,....
>
>>     To manage such a big China, the most important
>>     thing is to have those 1.2 billion people believe something and believe
>
>That sounds like Yi-Ho-Tuan to spread rumors that could resist guns!
>
>>     Mao did a good job on this, but Deng Xiaoping 
>> 
>Yeah, a good job that needs many generations of Chinese people to restore,
>to clean up the mess.
>
>Deng is not so quality as Mao. Mao closed door trying to find a stupid
>solution himself. It ended up China behind the world so much. Deng opened
>the door again, so China is catching up, is improving.                                                 
>In Deng's heart, he is doing something to make up what Mao messed up.
>The great Mao even wanted to fight a nuclear war with the US. The people
>mountain people sea could not resist US weapons, how could this again
>used to resist nuclear war?  He was willing to sacrifice 50% of Chinese.
             Agree!

>The clear difference is that Taiwan has no crazy man, there is no corruption,

	No corruption? You don't really mean that,do you?
	Even,US still has some corruptions.

>it has been open to the world that people can see inside and outside,
>people on Taiwan are not satisfied the current achievement (people like
>Shannon are so satisfied) so they are so energitic to improve things,
>people on Taiwan are striving to help brothers on mainland (the brothers on
>mainland are trying to destroy brothers on Taiwan>a mission to get democracy realistic, more freedom then share with brothers
>on mainland (brothers on mainland try to bring communist to Taiwan).

       I don't agree that the brothers on mainland are trying to destroy 
brothers on Taiwan and people on Taiwan are striving to help brothers on 
mainland.Many brothers on mainland are sympthetic on taiwannese and some 
taiwan brothers are striving to make money from the brothers in mainland.

>Shannon, have you been fed enough? :-)
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